Episode 513 | Chili's Triple Dipper

Summary

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New Rory & MAL: Episode 513 | Chili's Triple Dipper

Date: June 30, 2026
Hosts: Tony Ayo, Baby D, Zip (filling in for Rory)

Overview

This episode of New Rory & MAL dives deep into food talk, street and prison culture, the evolution and future of hip hop and R&B, a recap of the 2026 BET Awards, the legal woes of Pooh Shiesty, wild listener sex questions, and the latest NBA player moves. With Rory out sick, Zip steps in, offering both comedic and streetwise perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points

1. ASMR, Food Preferences & Gender Stereotypes

[03:03 – 07:57]

• The crew jokes about the massive ASMR trend—Zip admits to liking dog-eating ASMR, less so humans, except attractive women.
• Quote (Zip, 04:08): “I don’t like watching humans sometimes. I like seeing girls eat.”
• They discuss how women often choose restaurants based on drinks and aesthetics, while men stick to food quality.
• Tony Ayo (04:46): “Women pick restaurants based on how good the margarita is... I’m like, yo, you didn’t look at the food.”
• Debate about food choices (“script” = steak and lobster or just cheeseburgers; regional sauce debates, e.g. mustard on burgers in D.C. and south).
• Quick history of why some Black folks eat well-done steaks (bad meat history), and “changing palates.”

2. Life After Prison: Culture, Myths, and Reality

[12:31 – 18:39]

• Zip details common prison misconceptions and truths—debunking “don’t drop the soap” and sexual coercion myths, especially in New York’s prison system.
• Zip (13:11): “In New York, that ain’t something that’s real prevalent. If a doing that, he low with that.”
• Talks about harsh “credit card” style pat-downs in Attica prison and psychological trauma.
• Zip (16:28): “You mad far down, no shoes on… If you fall, I’ll stomp your head into the floor.”
• The strength and organization of white nationalist gangs in Attica (“the Klan, Aryan Brotherhood, 444, 88s”).
• What he missed while locked up: 9/11, blackouts, and the pandemic. Zip jokes he "missed chances to commit more crimes"—everyone cracks up.
  • Baby D (20:33): “This nigga said I missed more opportunities to go to jail while I was in jail.”

3. BET Awards 2026 Recap

[26:52 – 53:16]

• Lauryn Hill tribute and Drewski’s hosting celebrated (with divided online opinion).
  • Tony Ayo (27:05): “To see where Drewski came from…actually making it to host the BET Awards is super lit.”
  • Discussion of BET Awards host over-the-top “brand.” (“It’s always been extra over the top. That’s how BET hosting is,” - Baby D, 28:22)
• Lauryn Hill tribute’s impact; but concern over the lack of clear next-generation "icons" in hip hop.
  • Tony Ayo (32:13): “Looking at the newer acts… Who is the next icons?”
• Observations: R&B is thriving, hip hop is in a “dangerous space” with regards to longevity or next legends.
  • Baby D (32:44): “It’s a chance that hip hop could…kind of…go extinct as we know it.”
• Kendrick Lamar winning “Best Male Hip-Hop Artist” without recent output seen as a red flag for genre.
• General sense: rap is increasingly “microwaved” and less about craft or legacy, more about quick money.
  • Zip (34:45): “It’s microwave, bro… There’s no ‘why I’ma learn this if you ain’t learning it?’”
  • Tony Ayo (36:04): “I don’t know if any of these new artists are in it to be the best ever…they just trying to get some money.”
• Strong nostalgia for 90s/2000s craft (“We lived with records!”), contrast with today's “50,000 songs a day getting uploaded.”
• R&B praised (Coco Jones, Tims, Jasmine Sullivan, HER), for craft and vocal skills.
• Hip hop’s evolution from party music to lyricism, then back to “party/melodic,” and missing balance.
• Baby D (42:20): “There needs to be a balance of both. And I don’t feel like there’s currently a balance.”
• Punch from TDE called out Drewski over SZA/Dochi saxophone cut-off; they debate if it’s protectiveness or just venting online, and how “being called ‘weird’ in Cali is fighting words.”

4. Pooh Shiesty Updates: Crime, Contracts & Consequences

[53:16 – 64:32]

• Recap of Pooh Shiesty’s new legal trouble after just six months out—photos, gang conspiracy, and “over 100 disposable members”.
  • Zip (55:52): “This is why I don’t say ‘Free Pooh Shiesty’…You never supposed to say nothing on the phone that you ain’t comfortable hearing back.”
  • They roast his “pillowcase” robbery plans as cartoonish and out of date.
• Reveal of alleged sexual relationship with his house arrest officer.
• Sadness over his wasted potential—"3 million" left unused by the time he got locked back up, and contract issues (Gucci Mane).
• Conversation about the reality of prison as legalized slavery.
  • Zip (61:26): “The Constitution says slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist…unless…one has been duly convicted of a felony.”

5. Listener VOICEMAIL: Introducing Kinks in the Bedroom

[69:43 – 85:51]

• Listener asks: “How do you ask a new girl to slap you during sex?”
  • Advice: build trust and intimacy first, don’t just blurt it out; maybe tell the story more generally, or let her bring rough play up.
  • Zip (70:34): “You gotta start wrestling first…play fight first.”
  • Baby D notes women often may not offer certain kinks due to fear of being judged.
  • Discussion veers into “Chili’s Triple Dipper” as an sex act—a running joke about multiple stimulations (clit vibrator, vaginal, and anal).
  • Tony Ayo, reacting to “Chili’s Triple Dipper”: “I never saw that on the menu.”
• Debates about how to discuss sexual past experiences—should you bring up your ex? (Baby D: do NOT bring up exes, just say what you like.)

6. NBA Free Agency & Superteams

[86:28 – 96:35]

• Draymond opts out, rumors swirl about superteam with Steph, LeBron, and Anthony Davis.
  • Zip (87:19): “Yeah the senior citizens, that’ll be a senior citizen squad.”
• Tony Ayo hates “buddy ball”—superstars jumping teams to chase rings.
• Scepticism about health/availability (Steph, LeBron, AD), and questioning how far such a team could really go against rising stars/younger squads.
  • “Best ability is availability.” —a recurring phrase.
• Possibility of Jalen Brown with KD in Houston—quick stats on games played/injuries.

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Best Quotes & Moments

• “You just chewing, eating food, you know. How many views is it called? Asmr.” —Tony Ayo, [03:06]
• “Women pick restaurants based on how good the margarita is…you didn’t look at the food.” —Tony Ayo, [04:46]
• “In New York, that ain’t something that’s real prevalent. If a doing that, he low with that.” —Zip, on prison sexuality truths, [13:11]
• “This nigga said I missed more opportunities to go to jail while I was in jail.” —Baby D, [20:33]
• “Looking at the newer acts… Who is the next icons?” —Tony Ayo, [32:13]
• “It’s a chance that hip hop could…kind of…go extinct as we know it.” —Baby D, [32:44]
• “It’s microwave, bro… There’s no ‘why I’ma learn this if you ain’t learning it?’” —Zip, on rap’s lack of craft, [34:45]
• “There needs to be a balance of both. And I don’t feel like there’s currently a balance.” —Baby D, [42:20]
• “This is why I don’t say ‘Free Pooh Shiesty’…You never supposed to say nothing on the phone that you ain’t comfortable hearing back.” —Zip, [55:52]
• “You gotta start wrestling first…play fight first.” —Zip, on bedroom kinks, [70:34]
• “I never saw that on the menu. The Chili’s…” —Tony Ayo, Joking about the “Triple Dipper” sex act, [73:30]
• “Yeah, the senior citizens, that’ll be a senior citizen squad.” —Zip on the NBA free agency rumors, [87:19]

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• 03:03 — ASMR, food quirks, gender riffs
• 12:31 — Prison life, myths, real trauma
• 26:52 — BET Awards recap; Drewski debate, Lauryn Hill tribute
• 34:45 — The “microwave” music industry & future of hip hop
• 53:16 — Pooh Shiesty legal mess
• 69:43 — Kink/sex voicemail, “Chili’s Triple Dipper”
• 86:28 — NBA moves: Draymond opt-out, Golden State rumors

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Podcast Tone and Style

• Raw, candid, and comedic, never shying from controversy or self-deprecating humor.
• Zip provides street authenticity and inside knowledge. Baby D and Tony Ayo play off each other's jokes, question each other's logic, and keep the conversation moving at a lively, slightly chaotic pace.
• Social/cultural issues are filtered through very lived experience; music and basketball talk is passionate and opinionated.

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Conclusion

This episode blends food and street stories with sharp (and mournful) critiques of hip-hop’s future and current pop-culture moments, all delivered with quick wit and zero filter. The crew’s commentary spans nostalgia, real talk about the justice system, sex gone wild, and locker-room/barbershop worthy sports chatter—making it a quintessential, unfiltered slice of New Rory & MAL.

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Transcript

[Baby D]

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[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Baby D]

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[Zip]

No Warrior now. No conductor. No Chloe and ma.

[Tony Ayo]

ASMR is a huge market.

[Zip]

That's that for real.

[Tony Ayo]

You just chew and eat in the mic and people. You ain't saying nothing. You just chewing, eating food, you know. How many views is it called? Asmr.

[Baby D]

Asmr.

[Zip]

That's why I'll be listening to the dogs eat like that. So I'm probably into that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Wait, what?

[Zip]

You ever seen the dogs did this? They be. They'd be like gooseneck. Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Say what?

[Zip]

Chicken liver be having to spread. Them be getting busy.

[Baby D]

You. So you like the sound of dogs.

[Zip]

Them be crunching the duck heads and all that.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, you talking about when they lay the plat out or food.

[Baby D]

Lay it out.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah. Beef liver. Yeah. Cow tongue.

[Zip]

Yeah. But when they get the crunch, rabbit hole should be sounding fire. Rabbit foots.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah, all of that.

[Zip]

Rabbit feet, quail eggs. Rabbit feet, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Nah, but it'll only be one foot.

[Zip]

But sometimes they have two. But they call it rabbit feet.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Rabbit foot.

[Tony Ayo]

That's a fact.

[Zip]

So be furry and all.

[Tony Ayo]

I started the clock already.

[Baby D]

So you like recording. I know. So you like asmr? I like asmr, too. I can watch.

[Zip]

I think I do like it. If it's that you don't.

[Baby D]

So you like watching dogs eat, but not humans?

[Zip]

I don't like watching humans sometimes. I like seeing girls eat.

[Tony Ayo]

That's why. That's. That's. To me, that's. And this is a perfect.

[Zip]

Girls is food that girls got all the restaurants open.

[Tony Ayo]

Nah, it depends on the girl, though. It depends on the girl, though. A lot of it depends.

[Zip]

When she with you, she won't eat.

[Tony Ayo]

Because I've. I've let a woman plan, like, where we gonna go, and we get there, and I'm like, that's when you find out everybody don't know what good food is.

[Zip]

So girls use green sauce, bro.

[Tony Ayo]

Man. Women pick restaurants. In my life, women pick restaurants based on how good the drinks are.

[Zip]

That's a fact. Because New Apollo. Cause of them Blue Hawaiians is popping.

[Tony Ayo]

Women pick restaurants based on how good the margarita is, how good the lychee martini is, how good the. I'm like, yo, you didn't look at the food. The main.

[Zip]

What they want to eat, what you want to eat. New Apollo, you just want a Blue Hawaiian.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So women like aesthetic and drinks.

[Zip]

They make the chickens.

[Tony Ayo]

We wanna know, is the food good? Like, men lean towards. More towards. Is the food good?

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[Baby D]

Most women, I tried to, like, fight with you, but most women, you just

[Tony Ayo]

like fighting women, baby. You can't fight that one, baby.

[Baby D]

I can't Most women do. I know. I look at the food. Cause I need to know.

[Zip]

Well.

[Tony Ayo]

Cause you can cook.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

You see what I'm saying? Okay, so now we're going into. You wanna go into that part of the conversation?

[Baby D]

Don't start.

[Tony Ayo]

Cause we could get there if you wanna get there.

[Baby D]

What you trying to say, get to

[Tony Ayo]

your women that pick good restaurants with good food is because they can cook. If a woman is all right, you know, the women, that's okay. They can make something. It ain't gonna be, like, incredible, but it's like, all right, that's edible. We can eat that tonight and watch baddies or something. You know what I'm saying? We could do that. But, like, women like you that really know how to get in there. And y' all pick restaurants based on the food. Actually, the food, yeah. Other women just like the aesthetic, the drinks.

[Zip]

Nah. But I just think about food that. That dudes wouldn't try.

[Tony Ayo]

Women like.

[Zip]

I stick to the script.

[Baby D]

What's your script?

[Jeff T]

Zip.

[Zip]

I. Steak and lobster.

[Tony Ayo]

So you surf and turf, right? So you know, you don't. You don't.

[Zip]

And you can that up.

[Tony Ayo]

You can definitely make a.

[Zip]

You can that up.

[Tony Ayo]

Definitely mess up steak and lobster all around the ball. Lobster. Too rubbery. Yeah, yeah. Too chewy. Yeah, you could definitely mess up surf and turf.

[Zip]

I stick to this. A cheeseburger.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Yeah, let's get to that. My brother's on that everywhere. He don't. He not switching. You just gotta tell a waiter. Don't be. Don't give him that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, he.

[Zip]

Cheeseburger.

[Tony Ayo]

But do you know. Do you know the difference?

[Zip]

He might get, like, fried calamari. He might get that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but do you know the difference in a medium. Well.

[Zip]

Well burger? I didn't, but now I do.

[BetterHelp Sponsor]

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[Zip]

I used to think that was blood. I told Baby D that like, last week.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

I can't wait to go get the medium rare steak now. You heard?

[Baby D]

Yeah. We had to explain it to.

[Zip]

I thought that shit was blood before,

[Baby D]

like, you know, the red stuff leaking out of your steak is not blood. The enzymes are turning. The enzymes in the meat are turning the grease from the meat. It's not blood.

[Zip]

All right. So my people from Mississippi, they on well Done Town. Well done was because black people used to get the bad meat.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Zip]

They had to cook, make sure this was cooked.

[Tony Ayo]

All that poison out of it.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Get them worms.

[Zip]

It ain't like that now no more. And I'm saying. I wore some.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Medium rare.

[Tony Ayo]

I actually had. I actually had A good idea for me, is it? Oh, Lord, like, for me, like, for me to like, take Zip out, like to like a bunch of like five, like Michelin star restaurants and just all steakhouses. No Zip. It's different restaurants. It ain't no everything in the steakhouse Mediterranean. Yeah, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna change your palate. I wanna, I wanna change your palate.

[Zip]

Keep it real, homie. I ain't eating certain stuff, son.

[Tony Ayo]

Like what?

[Zip]

I don't play that falafel or whatever they.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God.

[Zip]

Eating that.

[Tony Ayo]

What is it called? Zip.

[Zip]

Falafa. I'm not eating that falafel. It's falafel. Zip that. Whatever it's called. I'm not eating it. Why not, though? That it tastes like a sponge.

[Tony Ayo]

But you got it now. Okay, I understand what you're saying, but it got to be cooked right, because

[Zip]

you can mess that up story, homie. To the main spot. This is the main spot. Blah, blah, blah.

[Tony Ayo]

I tell you, they didn't give you the sauce with it. The tzatziki sauce.

[Zip]

That's another thing. Sauces. I'm not really big on sauces. I'm a ketchup, barbecue sauce type. And then I see that, like, what's the name of them talking about, yo, the Chick fil a sauce is good.

[Tony Ayo]

I dipped the Polynesian. You wasn't checking for the Polynesian.

[Baby D]

Now the Polynesian, the actual Chick fil

[Tony Ayo]

a sauce, The Chick fil a sauce, mayonnaise.

[Zip]

They told me that was good. I didn't have some shit. And I tasted.

[Tony Ayo]

I was like, oh, that's just ketchup and mayonnaise. That's ketchup and mayonnaise.

[Zip]

That. All I want is ketchup.

[Jeff T]

Then.

[Zip]

All I want is ketchup.

[Baby D]

Then.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Chick fil a sauce is a smoky, sweet, tangy blend.

[Baby D]

It's honey. It's not honey.

[Zip]

Mustard, mayonnaise, Barbecue mayonnaise and ketchup. That's two good blades.

[Tony Ayo]

See, the mayonnaise is what throws me off.

[Zip]

That's not a good blend.

[Tony Ayo]

We talked about that before. Like, when you go talk, you heading south on. On 80 on 95. You hit, like, Maryland.

[Zip]

Once you hit DC, they put mustard on your.

[Tony Ayo]

They put mustard on burgers and all you go to McDonald's got tell them no mustard on the burger at McDonald's.

[Zip]

You got to tell them no mustard on it. That's a fact.

[Tony Ayo]

Once you get to D.C. i never understood the mustard.

[Zip]

D.C. and south is mustard.

[Baby D]

That's.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. Mustard on a burger is Crazy barbecue.

[Zip]

That is fire, though.

[Tony Ayo]

I ain't nah on a burger at the barbecue.

[Zip]

That is fire.

[Tony Ayo]

Mustard was just for the hot dogs. When I grew up, I never seen nobody put mustard on burger.

[Zip]

Grown on a burger. Yes, I did too. I'm sitting catching his eye at the

[Tony Ayo]

barbecue, bro, just give me some mayo.

[Zip]

The red is on the glizzy.

[Baby D]

Because, you know, McDonald's, that mustard automatically comes on the. Is on. Like your bun at McDonald's.

[Zip]

Nah, not here in New York.

[Baby D]

Oh. When I was growing up in Syracuse, it was always on.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay, sir, y' all might. That might be. Y' all might be.

[Zip]

That's like the same amount of time away from New York as D.C. though.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. Once you start spreading, like the blast radius outside of New York City, outside of the five boroughs, y' all start doing different shit at the fast food joints. But we are back, sponsored by Boost Mobile, unlimited talk, text and data. And we are now on Patreon, New Rory and Mall. Get everything. Rory Mall, Netflix, zippers over there, Major Galore's over there, money making Mitch is over there. And we back, man. So as the fans, as y' all can see, as y' all can hear, Rory is not with us today. Brother's not feeling good. So, you know, we got zip Netflix, zip. Filling in for him. And hopefully Roy will be back soon. But, yeah, the gang is here. We in the building.

[Baby D]

It's black folk.

[Tony Ayo]

Look, Baby D. Can't wait. Baby D. Can't. She can't wait till it's black in here. Juneteenth.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, it's Juneteenth all year for Baby D. Yeah, Baby D, what you did this weekend?

[Baby D]

I went up to Syracuse. I had to take my mother to a doctor's appointment. So I was up in Syracuse breathing, like, some fresh air, you know what I'm saying?

[Tony Ayo]

As soon as you get up there, you notice the difference, right?

[Baby D]

Yep. I mean, I bought a hookah and still, like, polluted my lungs, but, you know, I just sat on my back patio and smoked my new hookah.

[Tony Ayo]

So that's what it's gonna be. Now that you're not. Now that you're in your 30 day, no drinking. It's gonna be hookah heavy. You hookah heavy? No.

[Baby D]

Cause the hookah make you wanna drink the hookah mixed with the weather. Like, one plus one equals drunk. Like, I can't. So I'm gonna. I'm just gonna stay in the house. I'm gonna lock myself in the house, lock the door. I poured all the liquor out into the toilet and I'm just gonna. Just not leave the house and not drink one Zip here. Because every time I get here, Zip trying to give me a drink. Like, what's going on?

[Tony Ayo]

She on her 30 day reset. Zip.

[Zip]

You got respect drinking like a.

[Tony Ayo]

You gotta respect that. Yeah, you already wants that. Your first one.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Gone. Cup empties. Peace. Can you zoom in on that glass? What you got going on this weekend, Zip?

[Zip]

Ah, man, you know, same bunch of the same old man.

[Tony Ayo]

What's the same old moving and shaking?

[Zip]

Shingling.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Shangling.

[Baby D]

The do that mean bro

[Zip]

shaking and baking.

[Baby D]

Yep.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, shangling. Y' all know what shangling is?

[Zip]

Ripping and running.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, that's all to say. Shangling, ripping and running, dipping and dodging.

[Zip]

So it might be Paul's in 2026.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that sounds crazy. Shingalinga sound like sex. I know what ripping and running is.

[Tony Ayo]

Shingling.

[Zip]

It might have been some of that in the mix too.

[Baby D]

But yeah, shingling might have been you getting some pussy.

[Zip]

I be nami. I'm still trying to get my shit out the pawn shop. I feel like my was in a pawn shop 20 years. It was, yeah. I mean, she was in a pawn shop 20 years.

[Tony Ayo]

Yo, you know what I meant to hit you, Zip. I had saw. I forgot the.

[Jeff T]

The.

[Tony Ayo]

The young lady's name. She was talking to T. Grizzly and she asked him how long before guys locked up before he'll have like sex with a man or do something sexual with a man. I didn't even like stay to listen to the answer. I just was like, I don't want to hear this. But as somebody that did 20 years, like, I'm sure you've seen guys that you thought was like, nah, he, he's heterosexual. But then you find out later on during prison time, like, oh, he, he's not heterosexual. Or some guys that claim to be heterosexual and turned homosexual in the penitentiary. Is that something you saw firsthand or is that just like that people that never been locked up, they just try to run with that.

[Zip]

I don't know about out of town, like I be saying, right? But in New York, that ain't something that's real, like prevalent. Like if a doing that, he low with that. Like, you can't come around niggas. But the answer to that question, if she would have never like, you died jerking off, like you died beat off like, the fuck you mean? They got books, they got tablets. Now the girl can see you a little video shaking a little button, all that. I'm Shaking out to that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You give me a thousand years. The hand is mad soft because of the grease and lotion and like that.

[Jeff T]

Like.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, my God. All right.

[Colin Coward]

So.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, so I mean, I always felt like that was just something that, you know.

[Zip]

Cause you got up north in New York. Like, that's why I was at New York. You got like, my father been in jail 45 years. My uncle just came home 45 years. Them ain't with no boys, right?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, I was the number. I always knew if they.

[Zip]

Them 45. I seen do 45, they don't mess with the boys. So what's the number?

[Tony Ayo]

Right?

[Zip]

The that mess with the boys is the. That just don't care. They would have messed with a boy in the street, right?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Circumstance.

[Tony Ayo]

But I always said that that was just something that, you know, people that never did time, you know, the oldest one is like, don't drop the soap. Remember that one was like, you can't drop.

[Zip]

They might have been back in the days. I ain't listen. I don't know the 80s and the 70s and the 60s in jail. Cause yeah, I remember when I was little, they tell you you go to spoff and they'll duke you in the butt. You heard?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Zip]

What? Like, what the you mean? They'll do what? Yeah, so I ain't saying that ain't used to be going on, you heard. Just by the time I started coming to jail, that was like, if you run around raping people.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Is not with you, homie. Like, it don't matter you did that to a lady or. Man, you fat, homie.

[Colin Coward]

Right?

[Tony Ayo]

And I'm saying, yeah. What was one of the first things like being locked up that you learned was like, oh, they lied to us. Like, before you did prison, like, real prison time. Like, what was one of the first things you heard? Like going in that you was like, I gotta look out for this. Or it's gonna be like this when you go in on it. Or it's gonna be like that.

[Zip]

Nah, they ain't lie, son. All that shit is real, son. Except for like maybe n duking you in the butt type shit. But everything else was real. Now I'm saying everything else they tell you is real. It's just, how you gonna put up with that?

[Colin Coward]

Like.

[Zip]

Yeah, what your tolerance level is? Like, them police, they be talking. If you spittle flying out they mouth all in your face.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And I mean searching you credit card. Yeah, that is. Yo, Attica do some to you when they searching you. He was in Attica Yeah, I was an Attica.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Damn. Attica do some to you. When they search, you take his hand right here, right? And he slide that up. Now I'm saying, the crack of your hin. Now I'm saying, make sure you ain't got none of that. Call that the credit card you heard.

[Tony Ayo]

You know, remember Nelly These orders at Master.

[Zip]

Remember Nelly did that in the video, the drill after that. That's what they call that, the credit card.

[Tony Ayo]

That's the black card.

[Zip]

Or is it? Yeah. And. And that makes you. And that should make you like it better. And they'll you up over that because

[Tony Ayo]

they think you're trying to hide something.

[Zip]

It's the flinch. They just want to wreck. They just used to want to get wreck on. So they. How you now? You put your hands on the wall?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

The way you put your hands on the wall in Attica.

[Tony Ayo]

You.

[Zip]

You mad far down, no shoes on. You sliding, your arms shaking. You scared to death.

[Tony Ayo]

It's like you're doing a plank.

[Zip]

Yes, them will beat the out of you. And he whispering in your ear, if you fall, I stomp your head into the floor.

[Tony Ayo]

Scared to death.

[Zip]

And I'm saying. Cause you know, like, you hearing the story, you seeing niggas, you on the bus. It's three on the bus. They leaving Attica. Nobody got their front row. Like, oh, my God.

[Jacob Goldstein]

God.

[Zip]

More.

[Baby D]

That ain't funny. Zip got ptsd. He over here sharing.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm just. You know why? Because it's like you talking about Attica. So some of the most dangerous, reckless, Ruthless is there. So you hear Zip said when he get there, it's like, so now everybody is kind of shook up. It's like, but y' all niggas is gangster. Gangster.

[Zip]

I so niggas is gangster. Gangster. Because they got. I got the advantage. Like, I was like, oh, we eat.

[Baby D]

It's even.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And I feel like I could take advantage of this situation. We even. Me and you on the even playing field. I got the advantage.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay?

[Zip]

N. It ain't even there, right? They got the guns, nigga. You ain't got nothing, right? You don't have nothing. You come in there. You come in that spot, nigga, them niggas on bullshit. Off the rip, right? Off the rip. The niggas with the nasty cases. You know that. Off the rip. It's seven of y' all on the line. The. With the nasty case, they putting them at the back of the line. You gonna hit him. Beating that up before you, like, finish making your bed and all. That. That's a fact. I watch the store. Old man Griff, head full of gray hair. I watched that fly into the dome, into the garbage cans and all that. Knock that over like bowling pants. What he was in for, who knows. But it was nasty because he was white. And they don't do nothing to white people in Attica unless you got a nasty case. Like they will let a white boy stab the out of you in Attica.

[Jeff T]

You heard?

[Zip]

Respectfully, they'll let them. Like the white boys is the strongest in Attica in New York. And I'm saying. Cause like, the Ku Klux Klan got his hand. The Aryan got a table. The Italian, like all of them.

[Baby D]

Wait, so the clan and the Aryan Brotherhood, they don't. With each other. Like, it's separate.

[Zip]

That's a different. That's a different set. You got the. The 4 4, the dirty. The 4 4, the dirty dog. Then you got the 88. They hail Hitler now. I'm saying you got all them. Them. All them in the attic. You catch them at other spots. Yeah, ain't none of that. I'm saying maybe in the medium somewhere and all that, but the attic of is strong, homie. The police with it.

[Tony Ayo]

What's the one thing locked up that you feel like you missed when you did your 20? He was like, damn, I wish I was home for that right now.

[Baby D]

Like a moment. Because, like, I was.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, like a moment.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Tony Ayo]

Like being inside hearing about something. Because I know you'd have been tight if you was locked right now. The Knicks won the chip.

[Zip]

Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. I would have been tight for that. But, like, I missed the blackout.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay.

[Zip]

I missed 9 11.

[Tony Ayo]

I mean, they say never. They say never forget, so I understand that. But that's something that we wish didn't happen. So I. Don't you wish you was out for that? To experience that? Like, what you feel like you missed being inside?

[Zip]

Like 911 happened.

[Jacob Goldstein]

What year?

[Zip]

What year was that? 2001, right? Yeah, I was 19.

[Tony Ayo]

You wanted to be home to see that year.

[Zip]

I would have been robbing this. I'd have been in a jury store. Cleaning up, you mean? Yeah, I'm mad I missed that shit.

[Baby D]

All the posts in my head, I'd

[Zip]

have had a pillowcase, a laundry bag. I'd have been in jail. Everybody there, Everybody down. Get on it at 20. Get on the ground. Yeah, I'm mad I missed that blackout, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Blackout.

[Zip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get on the ground. I'm 22, then 03. I heard that shit was my mom's birthday. I was on a island. I was zip.

[Tony Ayo]

I didn't. I didn't think you missed it because you felt like you wanted to commit crime.

[Zip]

I missed all the times, like, you

[Baby D]

know what I'm saying? This nigga said I miss more opportunities to go to jail while I was in jail.

[Zip]

Like, I don't think I would have went to jail, though. That's the thing.

[Tony Ayo]

No, y' all never think y' all gonna go to jail.

[Zip]

That's when y'.

[Jeff T]

All.

[Zip]

When y' all do a crime sometimes.

[Tony Ayo]

You ain't never did nothing and knew you was going to jail.

[Zip]

I said I did say. I don't give a about.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, no, that's different.

[Zip]

That's. I would've been in trouble.

[Tony Ayo]

You ain't never gotten a call.

[Zip]

All the police is in my head.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Ain't nobody gonna come here as somebody that was pillowcase up and let me get out of here, homie.

[Baby D]

Stop saying a pillow. You so old. I ain't seen nobody rob nobo with a pillowcase since, like, a cat burger.

[Tony Ayo]

That's the cat burger. They be creeping like this through the spot on your back like this.

[Zip]

Jumped in a yellow cab. That's a getaway call. Yellow cab? Yeah. You can't find that.

[Tony Ayo]

Find that in New York. Yo, this is crazy. As somebody that was out during 911 in the blackout, there was talking like, oh, yo, all the cops.

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Zip]

Pandemic, too. I missed that.

[Tony Ayo]

But you just came home during the

[Zip]

pandemic, and it was over.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay, it was over.

[Zip]

Already had 50 cards,

[Baby D]

yo. Zipm so bad every week.

[Zip]

This is not true. It can't be true. You got 50, bro.

[Baby D]

People are going to jail now, and they're doing a lot of time.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, the time, too. Oh, yeah, because they're supposed to stop. Like, after a while, they was gonna stop investigating. I think they extended it another 10 years.

[Zip]

The that got puas. Them that was getting all them unemployment. So I'm talking about them was. I seen a. That had 30 unemployment calls, bro. Damn, dirty like a stacking them. She had a rubber band around them shits.

[Baby D]

Yeah, when they catch his ass, they locking him up for life. They not playing. You don't around with no government funds.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. Nah, the government wanted everything, bro.

[Zip]

All the chances to get the free money, man.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, you home now, and that's. That's a great thing. So we're gonna keep you home.

[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

I know you're not here, but I can hear you right now.

[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Tony Ayo]

did you happen to catch the BET Awards last night?

[Zip]

I seen a little bit. I ain't really.

[Tony Ayo]

You ain't really tapping like that? Maybe they saw it.

[Baby D]

I've seen a lot of it. Yes.

[Zip]

I've seen the important Seen the most of it.

[Baby D]

I've seen the most of it.

[Zip]

I watched some of that Lauryn Hill. Like that Lauryn Hill tribute was the

[Tony Ayo]

Lauryn Hill tribute and I guess we could start there. The Lauryn Hill tribute probably was the highlight of the bet. Well, first of all, shout out to Drewski. I think he did a great job hosting to see where Drew Ski came from as far as being just a comedian on social media and posting funny skits to actually Making it to host the BET Awards is super lit. He's one of the dudes that I find is genuinely funny. His skits are legendary. He had the Joe Jackson one. The trailer for the Joe Jackson movie. Did y' all see that?

[Baby D]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Zip]

A little bit of it.

[Tony Ayo]

That shit had me crying. When them was like, can we go outside and play? He started acting like he was taking his belt off.

[Zip]

No, he always scores. Yo, that the old head.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

With the young.

[Tony Ayo]

Yo, that Muslim. That Joe Jackson's trailer. That is legendary. That was hilarious. So shout out to Drew Ski. I think he did a great job.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Tony Ayo]

Hosting. I know I've seen a lot of people on. Some people online had things to say. They felt like it was kind of cheesy. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Some people said it was a little bit too much. But, like, he's. He's getting into his flow.

[Tony Ayo]

Like, what else. What do people want from somebody hosting the BET Awards? Like, what do you. What do people want? Like, what is it that would make somebody not go online after the BET Awards and feel like the host did a great job? Like, what is it that people are looking for?

[Baby D]

Everybody's looking for something different. The BET Awards hosting has always been over the top. Remember Will and Jada were doing, like, therapy sessions, like Mr. And Mrs. Smith style. Monique was doing sketch. Monique pretended to be Beyonce one year. Like, it's always been extra over the top. That's how BET Awards hosting.

[Zip]

So.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, that's what I don't understand.

[Zip]

Don't all the award shows be kind of like that?

[Tony Ayo]

Like it's supposed to be. The host is supposed to entertain. He's supposed to be. He or she is supposed to be funny. You know, make light of current events and things that are actually happening. You know, whether you want to do a skit on that Drew Ski did. He came out with the hair out like Jay. You know what I mean? So it's like things like that. To me, I think that was what a host is supposed to do. Engage the audience.

[Zip]

I know Ice Cube wanted to die laughing when he did that. He was cool.

[Tony Ayo]

I wonder why. And I'm sure it probably is a conversation already happening. Why hasn't Ice Cube done a movie with Drew Ski yet? I'm sure that gotta be a conversation. Cause Drew Ski is the perfect character for Ice Cube movie.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but Ice Cube hasn't been doing movies yet.

[Tony Ayo]

That's another thing. Yeah, so he hasn't really been doing movies. He's more focused on business, the big three and all of that. Yeah, but Drew Ski is a guy that you can see because even when people don't realize when Cube did Friday, the first one, that was Chris Tucker's first real role. Like real role in a movie. Like that was his first look. Like Chris Tucker was just comic view Def Comedy Jam. Like he was doing stand up and things like that. He wasn't really doing movies until Cube did Friday and then obviously everything after that. Chris Tucker became one of the biggest

[Zip]

son getting so much money on social media, he probably don't want to do no movies. It might take too much, know what I'm saying?

[Tony Ayo]

But he's not. I mean, they don't pay like that. That skit he did with at the church, baby, we came here and talked about that, that had like over 100 million views. And we looked into that about how much X would pay you out for that. And it wasn't much.

[Zip]

I seen some where he made like 20 million or 30 million off what, whatever it was not from social media.

[Baby D]

Now he probably has friends.

[Zip]

It was cause they had him. I show speed. Who else? What was the other young.

[Tony Ayo]

They might, may have gotten brand deals

[Baby D]

and partnerships, actual getting video person, like actual impressions that he's not making that much money off of that. That's just an avenue for him to show his talents and get around. But he's not making money from the actual social media site, which doesn't matter. Like, honestly, like it doesn't matter. He's making plenty.

[Zip]

So you earn 14 million a year in a single year.

[Baby D]

Yeah. From Brandos.

[Tony Ayo]

It doesn't matter because if it gets you, if what you're doing on social media gets you to hosting the BET

[Zip]

Awards, I wouldn't want to get no more. I'm sticking to the script.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, it's like at that point, it's like, I don't care how much X paid me out or didn't pay me out. Like I'm hosting the BET Awards and that to me is, you know, is enough. But to the Lauryn Hill tribute, what

[Baby D]

did you think about the tribute?

[Tony Ayo]

I thought it was dope. I thought it was great. I thought that everybody that came out did a great job. I thought that it was, it was telling though. One, because it was probably the longest event of the night. Right. The longest segment was the Lauryn Hill tribute, fittingly so. I mean, you're going to honor a legend like Lauryn Hill, you got to make sure you do it right. But as I was watching that, I started feeling like, yes, we're paying tribute to a Legend and an icon. But looking at the newer acts, it's like, who, Who. Who is the next ones, though? Like, who are the next icons? Who are the next legend? Tiana Taylor, Shout out. She won the icon award last night. Shout out to Tiana. That's another win for Harlem. But, like, the best performances was from legends, like a Nas or, you know, paying tribute to d'. Angelo. Like, to me, I think R and B is in a great space. That's the one thing I noticed about the awards last night. As far as the new talent, R and B seems to be in a very good space. Rap, hip hop, it's in a dangerous space. When we start talking about the next 15 years, like, what is it gonna look and sound like? Who are we gonna be honoring?

[Baby D]

10 years, I've been thinking. 10 years I've been thinking about that. And honestly, like, I really was thinking, I was like, it's a chance that hip hop could, like, kind of, like, go extinct as we know it. It's headed in that direction.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't know about extinct, but it's definitely gonna. Hip hop as we know it or knew it is gonna change. Like, the people we start on. Like, we came in and we talked about best male hip Hop artists and Kendrick winning. Kendrick didn't put out much in the year that we talking about for this category to be. To win. I think he put out a verse with Playboi Carti, maybe last year, something like that. GNX was 2024. That's two years ago, and he wins best male Hip Hop artist of the year.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

That to me, is saying, like, all right, now we just. We ain't even trying to hide it no more. Like, yo, Kendrick. But he didn't put nothing out in the fiscal year that we're talking about with this official 2026 BET Awards show. You got guys like Don Toliver. We talking about that. Is that the quintessential hip hop? Is that rap? No, it's not. R and B, though. He's not singing. It's melodic. It's very melodic. But the music is hip hop.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, to me, I think hip hop as we knew it growing up is changing, and guys like Don Tolliver or Playboi Carti, and that sound, to me, is gonna become more prevalent in the coming years. Like when Nas came out to pay tribute to Lauryn Hill. I remember when that video premiered, if I ruled the world. And I remember that moment and how crazy it was, us watching The Nas going through Times Square on a flatbed with Lauryn Hill. And it was like, that was an iconic moment in hip hop. I don't know when the last time I saw any of these newer artists and felt like, damn, this is incredible.

[Zip]

Like, this is iconic because it's microwave, bro. It's not like NASA wouldn't be seven, eight months. And I'm saying, like, that tribute for Lauryn Hill, right? When the people come out singing Lauryn Hill songs, that music sound good, son. Because Wyclef gave her them beats or wherever they got them beats from. She had them shits for a year, two years with them beats. She made music to the beast. These go in the studio, they might have got a beat pack from a. They ain't listening to it till they got to the studio. Pour the liquor, roll up. Now they hiding a drug. So now you out of your mind. You only really know what's going on. You high, you drunk. Put the beat on. Oh, he gonna spit two, three balls. I stop if you see how these, like.

[Colin Coward]

I like.

[Zip]

I've been in there, record music, right? Some of these, I have 50, 60 lines with a. That stopped and started. Stopped and started stopping. That's why the music is the way it is, bro. There's no why I'm gonna learn this if you ain't learning, right? And I could listen to this and tell you ain't learning. We knew them back in the days. Them sat with them raps, they knew them raps. They gave it. When they gave us them raps. This was perfected. These is microwave rap. Took this 15 minutes to come up with this punches. Lil Wayne got these thinking they could punch in and sound good. No, he did that. And sound. You don't really sound good doing that, right.

[Tony Ayo]

I think it's also to a point where I don't know if any of these new artists are in it to be the best ever. Like, when you talking about Nas and Jay and Big and those guys, when they was rapping and writing rhymes, they was doing it to be considered the best.

[Zip]

Now, niggas just trying to get some money now.

[Tony Ayo]

They just trying to get lit, be able to take a little trip here and there, take a little chick on Instagram, have a vacation, wear some jewelry, buy drugs, you know, Buy some drugs, get high with the homies, buy a nice car, and that's it. Like, seeing Nas on that stage last night performing if I Ruled the World, like, literally, it was like, damn. Like, Nas is in his 50s.

[Zip]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

But he still It's a aura about him. It's a glow about him. Like, this is hip hop royalty. This is, you know, one of the guys that we all looked at growing up. Like, his skill set is incredible. I just don't know if I feel like that with any of these newer guys that I'm looking at him like, damn, he has what it takes to be the next one. I just don't feel that from any of these rappers. Now, it's some guys out there, they got a nice skill set. They can rap, they sound good, but they don't have that glow. They don't have that energy around them that says they're gonna be here for 30 and 40 years doing this at a high level.

[Zip]

It's too microwave. Like I said, you got the DSPS, niggas is uploading 50,000 songs every day. And I'm saying back in the days when Nas put that if I rule the world shit out, you listened to that shit for mad long before you heard some new shit for sure.

[Tony Ayo]

You lived with it, right? You moved around with it.

[Zip]

It's not like that no more.

[Tony Ayo]

No.

[Zip]

Now, like I said, It's 50,000 songs a day getting uploaded on them DSPs is more muted. Is. I'm saying, like. Plus, you got the social media. Like, got songs right on their social media now. Like, it ain't like you ain't gotta wait for a clue tape to get nothing, or you ain't gotta wait for none of that. You just turn your phone on and you're gonna find some new music immediately.

[Tony Ayo]

But it's just rap, though, because I don't feel like that with R and B. I feel like R B is in a great space. Coco Jones looked amazing. Sound amazing. Tims, you can't punch it.

[Baby D]

Amazing.

[Tony Ayo]

You can't sound amazing.

[Zip]

R B, you really got to put the pin. You got to put your pin down when you doing that. It got to make sense. You understand what I'm saying?

[Tony Ayo]

And I think you also have to have a real skill set. Yeah, with rb, yeah, yeah, do that.

[Zip]

You got to write that. That gotta come. And I'm saying that you got to sit down and do that. With this new rap, the way it be going, I'm telling you. Send the engineer to tell you something. This is horrible, bro. Them go say two lines. He go hit the blunt three, four times. Chill. Niggas watch a video. Then he go say two lines. That shit is trash, bro. I don't give a fuck. That shit is whack. That's why the music is the way it is. That's. And they doing that everywhere, bro.

[Baby D]

The biggest hip hop right now sounds more like black people doing rock than it sounds like hip hop. Like, it's like y' all want, like, rock stars. Like, there's a whole bunch of, like, screaming and jumping up and down. And the musicality, it just leans more toward, like, rock or pop. Rock, rock. Like, it doesn't sound like hip hop, traditional hip hop anymore. And it just keeps we straying further and further from the light. So that's why I said, like, extinct. Extinct as we know it. Like. Like, when made fun of Nas when he said that hip hop was dead. Like, and it was like, nah, he was just a little early. Like, I understood. Like, now that I can look back, I can see exactly where the fuck he was coming from.

[Zip]

Like. But he meant rap and not hip hop. That's how I feel. I feel like he was a little off when he said hip hop is dead. Hip hop got his name from a song that wasn't a hip hop. A hippie to the hippie to the hip, hip hoppy. It don't stop. That is trash as far as, like, what we talking about, you know, I'm saying, talking about nothing. But that's where the genre itself got his name from that song. So when I say hip hop, is there how he said that when crank that Soulja Boy was popping, that's what was popping now. And this is why I'm hot around. When he said hip hop is dead, those are the songs that was popping. Hip hop was alive and kicking. That was doing good. Was doing good with just plain old hip hop.

[Baby D]

Where his point is. But that's where his point is, though, because it's like, this is where it's going. If this is where it's going, it's not gonna last long. But because I was younger at that time, I just thought the was being old haters. Because I was having a ball, cranking the. Out of that Lion King, that Spider man, that Superman. I was cranking all that shit. But when you look back, it's like we started letting it stray and letting it stray and letting it stray and still calling it hip hop. And it's like, ah. And now we're here.

[Zip]

I feel like it came full circle, like, because them real rap niggas strong arm hip hop from them party. The KRS ones, the Rakims, the G Raps, they strong armed that, like, I said, them was party hip hop or hip it to the hip.

[Tony Ayo]

But it was still partying. Back then you could do.

[Zip]

But what I'm saying is you could do songs like that not have no meaning to this now. We just party. And when it beat come on, we gonna have a little cadence going. You gonna want to rock your body and we out of here. You heard rock him with all this nice krs1 these mad nice. They strong armed it. Now you had to be like this for 12 years, 13 years, you had to be nice like these. You had to come from that. They say that's the golden era of hip hop. They call that the gold. So you had to be like that for 12, 13 years. And now here comes Soulja Boy. No, I'm. I'm back on this. I'm back on this party. I ain't really trying to be the most lyrical, but we had.

[Tony Ayo]

It was party. Like even when krsno, you had rob Bass, you had Biz Mark, you had Bismarck, you had kid and play.

[Zip]

But even when you. When raw bass, if you listen to what raw bases saying or he's not. That's not trash rap.

[Tony Ayo]

No, it's not.

[Zip]

He's really rap.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

It just was a party.

[Jeff T]

Right.

[Zip]

You understand you still had to be in that vein and rest in peace. Yeah, rest in peace to raw bass. You still had to be nice. But they strong armed it from the party, bro. Right.

[Baby D]

There needs to be a balance of both. And I don't feel like there's currently a balanceable.

[Zip]

Ain't no real.

[Baby D]

I'm saying, like, it ain't even no party.

[Zip]

Hip hop, they just not mainstream. Them real rap, they ain't mainstream. But they still around. Benny and them, they still around. Them is around, but they just not. They not putting them. They not gonna be the front runners no more. You got the Travis Scott. If you make music like a Travis Scott type, then you could be mainstream. But if you make it like Benny, that shit ain't gonna be the.

[Tony Ayo]

I just think that it's just. It's a lot. I think the DSPS has a lot to do with it. Cause now any and everybody can just upload.

[Zip]

Anybody's a rapper.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. And I think that has a lot to do with it. But to me, the prevalent part that I think I noticed last night was R and B seems to be in a very good, healthy space. Looking down the line, looking forward. But to me, rap, hip hop, it's questionable, man. I don't see, you know, but even

[Zip]

the R and B ain't like it used to be neither though. As far as what I just don't Feel like the R and B hit the same like how it used to hit.

[Tony Ayo]

But they're still very talented vocalists. They're still very talented songwriters. Like when you see a Jasmine Sullivan or, you know, you see Timms, you see, you know, artists like that, her, you know, you see these type of artists in R B, you know, making music and singing and know that they can really, you know, get us get on stage with just a piano and a mic and command a room. You know, you look like, okay, like R B is in a good space. You see, when you see rap, it's like, you know, without all the bells and whistles and all the tricks of the studio and this, that, and the third. And then you listen to a guy just rapping and listen to what he's saying. It don't really hold you. It don't captivate you. Like when I first heard if I ruled the world, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's not the same. You know what I mean? It's like the skill set is not the same. The attention to the art and the craft is not the same for the most part. There's still, like you said, there's still some. Maybe you outgrew it. Oh, I'm definitely outgrowing rap. I've said that. So then that might be what it is.

[Zip]

Then maybe when they see. But outgrowing it because they might be telling the truth

[Tony Ayo]

to an extent.

[Zip]

Because it might be some young right now saying, like, what, you don't be listening to J. Cole or you won't be listening.

[Tony Ayo]

No, I listen to all of those guys.

[Zip]

No, I'm saying. But they might be saying, like, that's the feeling they get from them. Type of like, what the is he talking about?

[Tony Ayo]

But like I said, when you were 16, a.

[Zip]

16 year old might be getting that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, from a.

[Baby D]

From a.

[Zip]

But estg or some. Whoever. You know what I'm saying? You might be getting that same feeling.

[Tony Ayo]

No, you're right. And maybe. But this, like I said, there's still some. There's still some that hold it to a high regard and that, you know, have a specific skill set that I. That I like when it comes to rapping and hip hop. But I'm talking about just on a general scale of just looking at the landscape of the rappers that are there. There's not many that, you know, I can look at and be like, all right, you know, they doing what they supposed to do. It's a handful. It's a handful of guys that I Listen to, and I know that. I can tell that they grew up listening to the right rap, and they're in it for the right reasons. They want to be considered the best. They don't want to just make money and do that. Everybody want to make money. You know what I'm saying? Everybody want to do that, but they're not in it just for that. You can spot the ones that still have a certain respect for the craft, but for the most part, man, you know, again, looking at the awards last night, the legends and the legacy acts are the ones that stood out and stood apart from the rest, where it was like, okay, that was dope. Like I said, the Lauryn Hill tribute, 20 minutes was the best of the night. The D' Angelo tribute. When you see here guys like, you know, vocalists like Duran, Bernard, and, you know, those guys, it's like, this is. This genre seems to be okay. They still have a certain respect for the craft and the skill set of R and B with rap. It's like they, you know, it's a lot of people that feel like they could just get up there. You don't know what they saying half the time. It's just a vibe. It's just the music. And, you know, they don't even want to. They don't even. A lot of these guys. But I can't expect them to know how to rap because a lot of these niggas don't even know how to talk. They don't even know how to speak. You know, somebody's got in there, interview you, like, what is he talking? He don't even know how to talk. So I definitely don't even want to hear what you rapping about. When I see you in the interview on a red carpet and you just like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Zip]

You know.

[Tony Ayo]

You know, they on heavy drugs. Yeah.

[Zip]

I mean, now, some of them niggas just stupid.

[Baby D]

Like, some of them is on heavy drugs, but some of them niggas really do not know how to talk. Everything is. And get. It's a. Every five seconds.

[Tony Ayo]

Like, only time they know how to talk is when you ask them what they got on.

[Zip]

All man, right now.

[Tony Ayo]

Yo, this Balencia, you know, Balencia on, you know.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Nah, them niggas know when they come to town. Oh, so what you wearing, yo, you know, but little, you know, say 120,000 right here. Yeah. Anything other than that. Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know, you know, or Maybach,

[Zip]

however you want to say it.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Like, oh, you smart.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

When it comes to that type of. That type of.

[Tony Ayo]

But yeah. So I can't really expect to really like a lot of these guys. Like I said, they don't. A lot of them don't even know how to speak, so.

[Zip]

Hey, yo, how you felt about that though?

[Tony Ayo]

TDE president Punch calls out Drew Ski after a saxophone and started playing with sza. And Dochi ran out of time at the BET Awards to Punch. Is this Punch that said it?

[Baby D]

Mm.

[Tony Ayo]

Punch says this nigga Drew Ski weird for that sax stunt.

[Zip]

Well, he would have said that if it was somebody not part of his camp. No, they would have went over they time and the saxophone would have started playing. Because that's what he said. No, you go over your time. We playing the saxophone on you. So now.

[Tony Ayo]

And the saxophone is the sax from the Boys in the hood.

[Zip]

Get your ass out of here. So now if that would have been a ovo, then they would have hit him with the saxophone. Well, Punch would have made this statement right here.

[Tony Ayo]

No, he would have posted a bunch of saxophone emojis.

[Zip]

I feel like that too. I feel like this was mad corn, and I don't really say that about a lot of shit he got going on, but I feel like this right here was corny.

[Baby D]

I feel like they were the only ones that got sex, right? The saxophone.

[Tony Ayo]

I think so, yeah.

[Baby D]

I think Drew Ski was trying to be. Well, also trying to keep the show in line, but I also think he was trying to be funny in a harmless way, not in a comedian funny way. I think he was being funny. But I do think even if you think that, even if you want to be overprotective of your artist, which you should be, Even if you think that. I think that tweeting it is kind of like it's giving. Like you just you complaining. Like it's not. You know what I'm saying? Like you could think in your head like somebody was being funny and just take it on a chin. I don't think you need to tweet about it.

[Zip]

Ain't they from Cali too?

[Tony Ayo]

Dochi and them? Yeah, Dochi from Florida. She part of td.

[Zip]

But they be out there, they know what the horns is about. Boys in the hood.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, SZA said it. She said, I just realized that those horns were supposed to be, you know, the saxophone from, you know, the mean Boys in the hood.

[Zip]

Get about it.

[Tony Ayo]

But. But even Dochi Doji seemed to take it like she was like, I'm still going to gonna get my time. I'm gonna get myself. I got a new single coming.

[Zip]

So.

[Tony Ayo]

They seem to handle it well. Like, Dochi and Scissors seem to handle it pretty well. They understood weird in Cali. No, they take that personal, right?

[Zip]

That's how you can't. Like when he said Drew Ski weird for that. It's like, your homie. Why you call him that?

[Jeff T]

Right?

[Baby D]

Yeah. If a Cali call me weird, now we gotta fight, because I know how serious y', all, right?

[Zip]

It's like, that's like a Calling you a ass in New York. You a ass, homie.

[Tony Ayo]

What? Yeah, that's a fight.

[Zip]

And I'm saying, like, yo, that was some. All right, cool. I can respect that. That was some. I would. But, yo, you a ass for that. What?

[Tony Ayo]

Right?

[Zip]

You weird for that. Cali weird is scrapping that.

[Baby D]

That's a slur.

[Zip]

Yeah, that's a slur in Cali. You gotta fight for that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. I mean, I get what Punch is saying, and I understand why he, you know, felt that way. But to Damaris's point, I think when you tweet that, I think that you. You're looking to, you know, get into that.

[Zip]

It's like, you hate on a Drew Ski nigga for him doing what he do.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

And Drew Ski don't have no.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't.

[Baby D]

I don't think know that Drew Ski has any ill will to him.

[Zip]

He tried to make it seem like it was some OVO shit.

[Tony Ayo]

Right?

[Baby D]

I don't. I mean, I don't know what he was trying to make it seem like, but I don't feel like Drewski had.

[Tony Ayo]

That's just Punch being a little, you know, I guess, overprotective of his people and, you know, his people that he worked with and he has personal relationships with. I didn't think he needed to tweet that, though. Like. Cause, I mean, Drew Ski. Drewski wasn't playing the sax. Yeah, it's different if he playing the sax, right? Like, I get it. Like, he.

[Zip]

I sure would have been more funny if he would have been playing the sax.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. But I'm saying, I get that he's the one that is the one that told the saxophone to start playing it. But, you know, just tweeting Drew Ski is weird for that sax.

[Zip]

Then I feel like when you go to these award shows, you gotta be like, might snap on you right now. I'm saying might do some. And I'm saying, like, I feel like it's all in the love of this. And I'm saying.

[Baby D]

But what I will say is I'm never mad at anybody being overprotective over the black women in their life. So you want to be overprotective over the black women in your life? Yeah, but people. I mean, but that don't. I'm not saying. I'm not saying he was attacking them. I'm just saying if you. If you want to be overprotective.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but this ain't that. This ain't the environment to be overprotective. They wasn't being disrespected. This is Drew Ski. The BET Awards. It's just comedy. It's just being funny.

[Baby D]

Agreed.

[Zip]

Was punched in.

[Baby D]

I have no clue.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm not sure, because I'm saying, why he ain't.

[Zip]

Just keep my artist's name out your mouth. Yeah, Keep my artist name out your mouth.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. I didn't. I mean, I understood it, but, you know, I understand. I understand Punch feeling away about that, but it's. Come on, man.

[Zip]

That's his Will Smith.

[Tony Ayo]

It's the BET Awards, man.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

We here to laugh and have fun. It ain't that serious. Like, it's never that serious, but, you know, I get it. I understand. Again, shout out to Everybody at the BET Awards, 2026 overall. In closing, I do feel like this award show this year was better than previous.

[Baby D]

One of the best.

[Tony Ayo]

I feel like they got it right. I feel like things were. Things felt a little, you know, more attention. Organic.

[Zip]

It felt more organic.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. I felt like watching this. I was like, okay. Like, BET seemed to. I think they got it right this year, so looking forward to next year to see what they do moving forward.

[Baby D]

It seems like the artists. Everybody had fun, which is important because a lot of our artists can't go to the Grammys, and they're not gonna go to the Grammys or American Music Awards and have fun. Like, it's very stiff. You. You know, you got all these others around you. Like, you can't really move. And I feel like the BET Awards when I was growing up was just like, kind of like our night for our culture where everybody feels let loose. You see all the people you don't usually see. So I'm glad that they're trying to, like, get that energy back so that they can have more of our bigger artists come. And, you know, it can be as big to my kids as it was to me when I was growing up.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. And it felt like this year, they. They paid attention to that, and they tried to bring that. That energy back. So I respect that.

[Baby D]

Well, speaking of these young in rap and where it's going. You guys seen what's going on with Pooh? Icy?

[Tony Ayo]

I saw. So I did see that. But I also saw Zip had posted something on IG a few days ago. And I was laughing. He was like, yo, I'm not. I'm not wasting my free of niggas. Free this, free that. On Pooh Shiesty.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Because of him getting caught right back up. Coming home and being locked back up within six months, Something like that of being free. Maybe less than a year.

[Zip]

Six months.

[Tony Ayo]

Six months of being free. So now this has come out. More news on Poosheisty. Prosecutors have shared photos of Gucci Mane being held at gunpoint while Pooshey stands next to him. On Wednesday, June 24, the government filed its response to Pooh Shaggy's latest motion to be freed on pre trial release and that they argue that Pooh is a dangerous gang leader. In addition, they shared screenshots from video taken from the studio on the day Gucci Mane was allegedly robbed. One photo shows Pooh Shiesti's father carrying the contract that Gucci Mane was allegedly forced to sign. In another section of the response, an alleged victim in the case wrote a statement pleading with the judge to keep Pooh locked up, saying he is deeply concerned about what Pooh may try to do to him if released. Pooh and his crew were arrested in April and are currently awaiting trial. Pooh's Father and Big 30 have been released on bond while Pool remains in custody. They face up to life in prison if found guilty. Yeah, so I, you know, this is not looking good for Pooh Shiesty at all. And I believe they just. They had some screens, some. Some screenshots of a group chat.

[Baby D]

Writing in a group chat. Yo, I need like 6 niggas and 2 drivers willing to risk their freedom and all. A nigga like, I do it. I do it. You niggas are insane.

[Tony Ayo]

So they said the feds believe. Scroll up, Ryan. The feds believe that Pooh shy has over 100 disposable members. He can call at any time. And posted a text saying he needed six 30s, which the feds believe means six certified members. And then you see the text.

[Zip]

A hundred niggas, bro.

[Tony Ayo]

I need 6:30 for Saturday. Pulling up on plus two drivers. Plus two drivers. Somebody says, overstood. Another gentleman says, what we need to do. Somebody said, bet, bet. Got two bets. So it's two bets in there. Somebody said, I'm there. Pull up on him.

[Zip]

Where?

[Daniel Cormier]

Where?

[Tony Ayo]

I need to get to I'm there, let me know. I need drivers. It's not looking good.

[Zip]

This is why I don't say free poo shiesty, right? Because you come home from the feds, right? It's like, what is you too high in the feds to, like, learn what's going on around you? You don't know, like, anything. Like, you never supposed to say nothing on the phone that you ain't comfortable, like, hearing back, right? You understand what I'm saying? If you say that shit on the phone, then if I'm sitting in the courtroom and you play that, I don't care. I said that. This is the type of you on the phone saying you just left it fast, right? That's why I don't waste. I'm not wasting my food. Free poo shy. She's on there. My father been in jail 45 years. I'm trying to get him home. I press my face on the floor. I'm trying to get him home. But a hundred might. Better watch what they say about this out here. God damn. 100. So you got 100. That'll get, like, a lot of Memphis.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Yo, you remember before I was telling you, like, yo, do anybody know Pooh Shiesty father? Like, what type of. Yeah, remember I asked you that, right?

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And he was like, nah. They. We found out what kind of he is since then, though, right? Had been in jail for murder two three times. He knocking broads off whoever. Like, he don't care about life. Like, no wonder, Poosh. Like, he didn't stand a chance, bro.

[Baby D]

That's so sad, though.

[Zip]

Like, he didn't stand a chance, bro. His pops is a hooligan. Every sense of the word, bro. Like, nigga been in jail for murder two three times. I feel like you might got sending them shits in real life, they just caught you for them three. You understand what I'm saying, right?

[Baby D]

Zip. Didn't you go to jail for murder, like, twice?

[Zip]

No, I went for. I went once, though.

[Baby D]

So using your math, like, you know what I'm saying, right?

[Zip]

Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel. That's what I'm saying. Me. But, like, my experience in this ain't getting locked up for three murders. And he don't be putting work in. Yeah, yeah, that get busy.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't an accident.

[Zip]

Yeah, that wasn't no mistakes. This was a rap in DJs. Or they saying, oh, you don't want to play the music? Yeah, we don't want your D.J. something happened to the. That's the type of. He was going to jail for

[Baby D]

zip. Calling somebody a hooligan. That's how you know it's bad. Like, that's how you know. Like you.

[Zip]

Yeah, that. That.

[Tony Ayo]

That.

[Zip]

The real. That energy is familiar, you know?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. You recognize.

[Zip]

Yeah, I know that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, I see that.

[Zip]

Right? I know that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Pooh. He. He need to stay. Like, when people, like, free him now, he need to stay there.

[Tony Ayo]

It's just sad.

[Zip]

Look at this. The government also claims that he had a sexual relationship with his house arrest officer and that she was allowing him to break curfew, covered up, fail piss test and more.

[Baby D]

Let me tell you something.

[Zip]

Never mind.

[Tony Ayo]

No, tell me.

[Baby D]

No, no, no.

[Tony Ayo]

We want to hear it.

[Zip]

You know, the people want to hear it, Baby D. I forget that it's a mic, but the people talking.

[Tony Ayo]

What you would have did if you was Poo's house arrest.

[Baby D]

What I'm saying is I can understand.

[Tony Ayo]

I know. Yeah. I can understand.

[Baby D]

I can understand why she might have did what she did.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

What I have done.

[Zip]

Fresh out, perked up, crazy. That's fresh out. Fail piss sessions. What you think he was on? What you think he was on? I'mma keep it real. Let's say that was in and it's about heavy on some boxes and all of that.

[Tony Ayo]

I believe it.

[BetterHelp Sponsor]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

I believe that.

[Zip]

Hell, yeah. You only had them talk. I heard. So I seen an interview this. Said he could make any word rhyme. That was the funniest I ever saw in my life. You saw that?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

He said, I ain't never gotta stop. Was like cup in the rut in the truck. You ain't see that? Yo, my. I said, this is fried. And this is before all of this other. But that right there. I was like. I was like, ah, I know what kind of he is. He's crazy. That's how I said to my. When I heard that, he was like, I can make anywhere around when I never gotta stop. And he started going. I was crying like he's dead ass.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

He was sitting there talking to that lady like, yeah, yeah, Patch rap chat. I get stacked. See, I ain't never got. You ain't start, yo, when you gonna start, yo? Like, yo, you ain't see that, Baby D?

[Tony Ayo]

Where you gonna start?

[Zip]

You swear you never saw that?

[Baby D]

No, I never saw that.

[Zip]

You gotta look that up. Oh, my God, that was hilarious. He told the lady, it don't matter what word you give him, he can make it rhyme.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And he never gotta Stop. And he proceeded right. Dr. Seuss.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Cat in the Hat type shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Like that F. Today, though. That fits Today rap.

[Zip]

No, it don't. Yes, it do. It was sounding horrible, bro, but a

[Tony Ayo]

lot of this sound like that.

[Zip]

Nah, son, he don't rap like that, though.

[Tony Ayo]

No, Pooh don't rap like that. He can actually.

[Zip]

He make good songs, man. That was wild.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, that's the sad part to me about this whole thing is that he actually has talent and had a lot of energy, put out a great record coming home. And for him to be, you know, go back down for these charges, it's like, you know, this is somebody that had some promise. He had some. He has. He had an opportunity to really do some. Some major shit. I think that somebody like him, he would have gotten to the streaming shit. He could have made a lot of money doing that. Like, they love Pooh Shiesty.

[Baby D]

Well, not if he ain't get the fuck about that motherfucking slave contract he was in, y'.

[Tony Ayo]

All.

[Baby D]

You know what I'm saying? Like, he.

[Tony Ayo]

Listen, I get it. But even in that. Even in that, you have to maneuver the right way, because now you in a real slave contract. If you get life in prison,

[Zip]

the fucking government. The Constitution says slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist in the United States or all the surrounding territories unless. Unless one has been duly convicted of a felony.

[Daniel Cormier]

Right.

[Zip]

So they convict you of that. That slave amendment kick in for real?

[Tony Ayo]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

That's how that go.

[Tony Ayo]

No, but this is for somebody who was under that contract for 20 years.

[Zip]

I let you when you on island. That slave amendment don't kick in, I don't really care.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Zip]

All right, homie. Once you get sentenced and all that, I start. See, you're a slave, right?

[Tony Ayo]

But.

[Baby D]

So they had you making signs and writing our Bob.

[Zip]

License plates and like that? I did that. I murdered the mother.

[Baby D]

How the you make a license plate?

[Zip]

Well, I don't know. Them shits come, we ain't got no paint on them. I used to run them through the machine and get painted and all of that. I swear. I got my birth date on that says zip. And my birthday, 1981. Word of movie. I stamped that on the back of my shirt. Wow. I pull that out the machine, put that on the back of my shirt. Word of the movie. Damn.

[Baby D]

So happy you free.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm so happy.

[Zip]

I appreciate that. Saying that to me. I appreciate that. Like, you keep trying to go back,

[Baby D]

but Like, I'm so happy I don't

[Zip]

be trying to go back. You. What you just said you wish you

[Baby D]

was out for Covid, the blackout and 911 so that you can.

[Zip]

Yeah, but I mean, I was in then. I mean, I don't think I would have went back.

[Tony Ayo]

You learned your lesson.

[Zip]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

That jail, so.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, baby. Dude. So, yes, Pooh Shiesty's contract, he may have felt like was, you know, a deal he didn't want to be in, but this deal with the government is a deal he ain't gonna want to be in, so you gotta.

[Zip]

He ain't gonna wanna make no deal. It's bad work, man.

[Tony Ayo]

It's a terrible situation, man. Again, from a guy, from a young man that had a lot of energy, a lot of potential to make a lot of money, to do a lot of good things, and to be jammed up in this, you know, situation now.

[Zip]

He said he came home to 3 million.

[Baby D]

That's it.

[Zip]

He didn't get a chance to spend that. That's it.

[Baby D]

No, I mean. I mean, I feel like it's come

[Tony Ayo]

home to three kids.

[Zip]

300.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

No, I'm not saying 3 million is a lot. I'm saying for. I would hope that he would have more, like. Because of, like, Back in Blood. During the pandemic, you couldn't hear. You couldn't go anywhere and not hear. Back In Blood. That was like Song of the Summer at one point.

[Zip]

But you and I believe that nigga.

[Baby D]

See, that was why I knew he had a career, because I believed him. When I heard that song. I said, I believe him.

[Zip]

Before I knew Pooh Shiesty was coming home, I was on YouTube talking shit one night.

[Baby D]

Night.

[Zip]

And I was like, yo, let me check. And so I had checked the site that, like, show you how much money and, like, it was like two, three months before he came home, he was getting like 245, 000amonth just off of YouTube.

[Tony Ayo]

Shisty.

[Zip]

Yeah, but that's going to. They saying that's going to Gucci and them. So I'm saying like 360.

[Baby D]

He get a piece of everything, even.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Even after you was gone for two, three years, however long he was going, he still was getting240,000amonth over YouTube. So the good months, that might have been a million, some change. He come home to 3 million. He don't even get to spend that. Bro.

[Tony Ayo]

Bro, it's sad.

[Zip]

He don't even get to spend that. He back in the can and they gonna jam him for this. Gucci is telling like they. He's making songs about it. He made statements about it. It's crazy, bro.

[Tony Ayo]

But does Gucci. Because you said Gucci's telling, right? Is he not taxpaying citizen?

[Zip]

Yeah. You think Gotti ever paid taxes?

[Tony Ayo]

John Gotti?

[Zip]

Yeah. They locked him off a tax evasion, so clearly he ain't pay all of them. Right, but do you think he ever paid any?

[Tony Ayo]

I think he paid some.

[Zip]

All right. So there's that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, there's that.

[Zip]

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[Tony Ayo]

Do we have.

[Baby D]

I love the way you carefully spoke on that. Yes, we do have voice.

[Tony Ayo]

You've got mail.

[Zip]

Hit it, Ryan.

[Tony Ayo]

What up, pod? Joe Va. Two up, two down.

[Zip]

So here's the situation.

[Tony Ayo]

I was having sex with my girlfriend at the time, and she slapped me in the middle of sex. And it turned into a wrestling match. Best sex I've ever had in my life. Question is, how do you present that to the next girl? Like, do you say, hey, slap me during sex?

[Baby D]

Or.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't know.

[Zip]

That's it.

[Jeff T]

That's the question.

[Tony Ayo]

Me first.

[Zip]

Yes, of course.

[Baby D]

Take it away.

[Tony Ayo]

You can go first.

[Zip]

You gotta start wrestling first, homie. Yeah, you gotta, like, play fight first.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Now, I mean, yo, you butt. I mean, you gotta start having sex.

[Baby D]

You can't just before.

[Zip]

Before the sex, I'm saying. So you gotta, like, start it off like that. So.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Know what I mean? Because it might not be no way to, like, introduce.

[Colin Coward]

Like.

[Zip]

You can't tell her, yo, smack the shit out of me. Like, I'm not.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

No.

[Baby D]

Well, what if she gets scared with the play fighting?

[Zip]

Girls always, like, play flighting, though. It seem like. Like they just seem like they like you. Yeah. Like they.

[Tony Ayo]

If they, like, don't have a little

[Zip]

reputation, like, oh, yeah, a tough guy. Oh, you ain't tough. Like, come on. Here we go with this.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Gangster Boo. Here she go. Gangster Boo. Mushing a. Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

She texting you.

[Zip]

She like, come on.

[Tony Ayo]

She doing everything she know can't do.

[Zip]

Yeah, everything.

[Tony Ayo]

Everything she know can't do.

[Zip]

Die for.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. She do it to you?

[BetterHelp Sponsor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Baby D]

No.

[Tony Ayo]

That's how you make sure a not

[Baby D]

gonna beat your ass. Like, if you start dating a boxer, like, mush him and see how he react. That draw back. Get the up out of there. See, you gotta do that in the first date with boxers.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but that's muscle memory. You can't be mad.

[Zip]

Yeah, you can't really.

[Tony Ayo]

You spend hours in the gym.

[Baby D]

Remember not to whoop my ass. Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

He doing all this.

[Zip]

Do this a million times.

[Tony Ayo]

12 hours in the gym. Every day you start doing that. And that's his reflex. That don't mean he gonna hit you. He just trained like, yo, chill. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Zip]

I gotta fight next month catching pool.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You better stop.

[Tony Ayo]

Stop playing with me like that.

[Zip]

Mother told you, don't be.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, I don't know if you introduced that, though. I think you just have conversations and ask, you know, the girl, like, yo, you into that? Like, you into like the little rough housing, you know, foreplay. Like, you like that? Because some women like that. Like, they'll, you know.

[Baby D]

But a lot of women like that and won't come out and say that because there's a preconceived. Because there's a preconceived notion about a lot of things. Like, there's a lot of things sexually that women don't feel comfortable coming out and saying that they like because there's preconceived notions. Like, if you like that, you must be this type of woman. You might not have those preconceived notions, but a lot of men do.

[Zip]

Same thing with a. If you tell a bro, you want to be like, would you be trying to take.

[Jeff T]

Right, right.

[Zip]

Trying to take something right, right. You know what I'm saying?

[Tony Ayo]

But what's something. Now, I ain't going to lie. I remember a girl told me one time, like, she was like, she was really into anal. Threw me off. I was like, word. Like, cuz, I never. That was like the first time I ever had a conversation with a woman where she was like, she's really into that. And I was like, word. Like, how you. How did you even find out that that's what you was into? And she said just from like, you know, masturbating and playing with herself. She's like, it just like felt better when she had something inserted anally and had the vibrator on her clit. So I was like, oh, okay, that's

[Baby D]

a Chili's triple dipper.

[Tony Ayo]

That's what. I never saw that on the menu. The Chili's.

[Baby D]

They sell that at the Chili's Triple dipper.

[Tony Ayo]

Chili's triple dipper.

[Baby D]

The vibrator on the clit with the, the. With the vaginal insertion and then like also the anal insertion. It's the Chili's triple dipper.

[Zip]

It's a lot going on.

[Tony Ayo]

The chilies. Is this.

[Jeff T]

Is this the real.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay, so this is the official chili triple dip, but we got sliders, mozzarella sticks, mozzarella ball, something and.

[Zip]

And chicken Chili's triple dipper is mad

[Tony Ayo]

mozzarella now and triple dipper.

[Baby D]

The point is, Ma, did you judge her for that fairly a little bit?

[Tony Ayo]

No, I didn't judge. I didn't judge her, but it was just like, oh, I Was kind of like, okay, you know what I'm saying? Like. And she was like, you know, she. It's with guys. She doesn't know how to introduce that. And then she said, it can go both ways. She said. Cause she introduced it with her ex. And then she said, and then that's all he wanted.

[Baby D]

That's all he wanted.

[Tony Ayo]

And I was like, now I got different conversation. I got different questions. Like, I said, that's all he wanted out there. She was like, yeah, like, he wouldn't even. Like, damn, they wouldn't even touch my vagina. Needless to say, y' all know me, right?

[Zip]

Thinking you thinking's a moop. Like, if you don't like, now he just want to hit the heiny.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm not gonna say he a mook. I'm not gonna go that far. But it is. I mean, even she said it. It was a little like, yo, like, you don't want no vagina, like, no vaginal play at all, like, anymore. Like. And she said she had to kind of, like, slow him down. Like, yo, like, no, I don't tonight.

[Jeff T]

I'm not.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't want that tonight.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry.

[Jacob Goldstein]

I'm sorry.

[Tony Ayo]

Like, he wanted butt.

[Zip]

He wanted.

[Tony Ayo]

Cause you know, the butt. When she on a cycle, the butt ready?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Butt open for service. I'm just saying, like, you know, that's what she was into. That's what she liked, and that was her ex. And. But she did say it did become a thing where that's all he wanted to do. So it can go either way. Like, you know, it could kind of to baby.

[Zip]

Watching too much. Be on the. Be on the Internet. Watching them girls go crazy and be

[Baby D]

like, yes, porn brain has rotted. Rotted men's minds really badly. Really badly.

[Zip]

I think the girls, too.

[Baby D]

Oh, women's for sure. But a lot of people don't talk about that. It's not the little boys. Women's minds have been rotted by porn. So many women are just performing during sex. They're performing what they've learned from watching porn. They're not pleasured at all. It's performance.

[Tony Ayo]

Now, I've had encounters with real porn stars. And one of the things. And one of the conversations I had with one of them was when they date guys, some of the guys mistakenly think that they. The way they seen them perform in videos. That's what they want in their personal life.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

And then I went on to say,

[Zip]

no, I'm saying I ain't gonna.

[Baby D]

I mean, that's What I hired you for.

[Zip]

If you know how to do this already, like, what the fuck? But that you already know how to do it. But this ain't a regular girl where I'm trying to, like, put your leg up. Hand that back hand right.

[Baby D]

You already.

[Daniel Cormier]

You.

[Baby D]

That's probably not pleasurable for her, all that extra stretching and that she's doing. That's for a movie scene. It's like a stunt. Like, I don't want to go do the stunts. I don't want to throw myself through a window and roll in real life just because I know I'm doing it for a movie and for a check.

[Zip]

You better not never tell me to say, let's get to that. Your life. Then

[Baby D]

be telling you that. Zip. Go and get the out. I've had enough of you. I've had enough of you.

[Zip]

But you better. I never say let. Say, let's get that. I ain't said it. I down. They be all that say, let's get to that. Out of here. You don't want to work.

[Jeff T]

You don't want.

[Zip]

I got to work out of here. I sub that. I don't know how to say that out here.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Zip]

I'm about to start. I'm glad they been telling me this. I'm about to start using like that. I don't do that.

[Baby D]

I'm not going to make laugh in real life. Like, not.

[Zip]

I can make them laugh otherwise. I ain't saying that. That's work.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. I get paid for that.

[Zip]

Yeah. You going to do it?

[Tony Ayo]

Do what?

[Zip]

I saw you turn around. Legs all.

[Daniel Cormier]

All.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Toes east, Toes west. Face south. Piney north. You could do that. I saw you do it.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh. Oh, my God, man.

[Baby D]

Why you got to be considerate when you have a partner, you have to be considerate of what feels good to them.

[Zip]

Nah, I'm just talking shit.

[Tony Ayo]

No, I know you just talking, but

[Zip]

if I had a porn star. Porn star.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

They're humans, though, so if they're still girls.

[Tony Ayo]

Girls.

[Zip]

But I can do a couple dollars do that. It don't make no sense for me to have a porn star if I can't have the porn star experience.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, Yeah. I feel he making sense. I struggle with that. Yeah.

[Zip]

But I don't want. I don't want.

[Baby D]

Maybe she has an amazing personality.

[Zip]

First of all, you got to be a brave ass to date a porn star. Like, that's a girl. Yeah, that's your girl. You a brave.

[Tony Ayo]

Why is that? I'm just asking. Why is that?

[Zip]

Come on. Well, no, Explain it.

[Baby D]

I want to know your reasoning.

[Zip]

You see the they be with huh the you brave. Who you think you is? Hey, who you think you is, homie. You saw that. That's how you, that's how you got that's how you learned about.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You brave. You think you could just follow up? Yeah, like I'm, I'm, I. She said pull up. I'm going. You a brave.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Oh man.

[Baby D]

She was to the best of the best.

[Zip]

Yeah. She seen everything. Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

No for sure out of here.

[Zip]

You heard what she did the, the, the chili. The trip.

[Tony Ayo]

She called it the triple chili dip.

[Zip]

The triple chili dip. But she did that in real life. What you could do A lot of

[Baby D]

women like that's the thing men think like men value like big dick so much. Like a lot of women like prefer like they going men what men think that women like are they're very like this whole big dick thing. Like that's just like such a huge thing. Like when most women like the average woman like that's where boyfriend dick comes through. Like we, we don't wife the with the huge porn dicks. Like we don't wipe them. We like we wipe the with boyfriend dick dick. You could take every dick. So like it's you know, I just, just have more. You know. Don't be insecure about that because you saw her take some 12 inch.

[Zip]

No, I'm just saying like I ain't insecure. I'm a brave. I don't give a what you did. I don't care what you did.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm pulling up.

[Zip]

I'm about to do some. Yeah, that's how I feel. I, I, I ain't worried about what you did. Yeah. Whatever you did ain't got nothing to

[Tony Ayo]

answer this gentleman's question. Yeah, don't. I guess you can't introduce that to other women but it's a way you do it, I think. Don't just start acting like play fighting like out of the blue like.

[Zip]

Yeah, don't tell her story.

[Baby D]

Just like second tell her the story.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Like I like how he just told it does.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Tell him.

[Baby D]

I feel like safety with that type of thing comes when you guys have the non sexual intimacy down. Like you guys are really safe with each other in a non sexual way. That's when those kind of conversations can be had.

[Zip]

But like when you just chopping it up.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Don't introduce that with somebody you're not comfortable non. You're not comfortable with non sexually like you have to because that's That's a safety thing, especially with women. You talk about, like, even if it is just simulating violence, like, you talk about violence with women. Like, not every woman is into that. And you need to be able to introduce that. And her being able to turn you down comfortably and you being able to take the rejection comfortably without it ruining everything. And if y' all don't have that.

[Tony Ayo]

That.

[Baby D]

That intimacy non. Sexually, it's gonna go bad. So just make sure y' all are very close, but you're. Before you introduce that or pay somebody to do it to you. Either or. But don't do that with a girl you only been with for two dates.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, nah, definitely. I think, like, you said, have the conversation with her. Like, yo, you know my ex girl.

[Baby D]

You know, she.

[Tony Ayo]

We was into this. This type of things we like to do. Like, you into that.

[Zip]

They got those on the Internet too. Them being a ring, wrestling with the broads and all that.

[Tony Ayo]

The strong women.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

With the oil and.

[Zip]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, no, I'm not r. I scroll. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

I'm out of there. I don't like that.

[Colin Coward]

That's.

[Zip]

I. I ain't into that. They smack me.

[Baby D]

You ain't never been smacked by a bad enough. If you get smacked by a bad enough, you ain't.

[Zip]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Tiger. Was that. What was that?

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, I might eat it, but don't let it happen again. Yeah, like, I eat it. If she bad, like. All right. Don't do that again, though. We not.

[Baby D]

But it don't got to be a hard smack. It could be a soft smack.

[Zip]

A soft smack is not even a smack then.

[Baby D]

No, but it's still a smack.

[Zip]

Like a hospital.

[Baby D]

Like, you don't feel the sting like, you know what I'm saying, For five minutes after. Like.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, if you slap me and I like it's. It's sting like my. And my ear ringing a little bit. Hold on, fan.

[Zip]

Like, what the. Yeah, like what? I was supposed to do something. Ain't doing like this hurt do no.

[Tony Ayo]

What I forgot to do.

[Zip]

Yeah, I was supposed to do something.

[Baby D]

How you got PTSD from your child?

[Zip]

I had an errand I was supposed to run.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, I ain't take the chicken out the freezer or something. Yeah, no, you ain't just slapping me like that.

[Zip]

Yeah, I ain't into that, but yeah, if.

[Baby D]

It also depends on how much a woman likes you. If she really, really likes you, you might introduce it to her. You might introduce it to her. But let her ask for it first. Don't just flat, woman.

[Tony Ayo]

Let us. Any type of. I think any type of kinky, you know, things like that. It's like you got to let the woman, or like I said, just have a conversation with her and, you know, talk about what she like and don't like during sex. And you introduce that into the conversation. Like, yo, me and my last girl, you know, this was kind of cool. We used to do this.

[Baby D]

Don't say. Oh, don't tell me me and your last girl used to do. Don't say that.

[Tony Ayo]

Why?

[Baby D]

Don't say that.

[Zip]

So we could just say your girl popped on me one time.

[Baby D]

Do it a different way. Just say. Say. Say that you. You are into that. Like, just say you're into that and you don't mind that. Don't bring up what you and your last was doing. Because now I feel like me and you ain't been doing that. You and your last was doing it and you liked it. So now the whole time we've been having sex. No, I was wishing I was doing what the last.

[Tony Ayo]

No, no, no. So you went too deep.

[Baby D]

Not a smack. I'm telling you how women think.

[Tony Ayo]

No, but that's what I'm saying. Sometimes y' all think too far. That's not what it's saying. I'm saying she was into that. She introduced it. And that's just something that we did. So now we're having a conversation about the things that you like like, and the things that I like don't.

[Baby D]

But you could just tell me what you like without bringing up what you and your ex did. Like, if. If a woman was sitting up there, that's the worst.

[Zip]

Semantics. Because if I tell you that I like that during sex, then clearly it was another lady that did this.

[Baby D]

Yeah, there was another lady, but it's not you and me and my ex. You don't even got just the. You got it from. Let me. Let me figure. Let me. If you like getting choked, let me. Because you might think it was sex, I'd be different. Somebody had.

[Zip]

Nigga had his foot on my neck one time doing some to me or something. I'm saying maybe you think that. I don't want you to think that. I want you to know that a lady slapped the out of me one time during sex, and I liked it and it was on.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but that's like me sitting up here like a woman that is dating you more sitting up here saying, like, yeah, like, you know, my ex used to, like, bend me over and, like, put his foot on my head, like, when I was in doggy style. And I really like that. Like, could you do that to me?

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

You said yeah.

[Zip]

You talking about tonight?

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Watch this shit. I seen that in the book before, too. I've been trying, waiting for you.

[Tony Ayo]

No, I'm not responding that way, but I don't want to hear that. You're right. I don't want to hear.

[Baby D]

That's all I'm saying.

[Tony Ayo]

But you went way more into detail than I was saying. Like, you was like, yo, he used to do this. And I really like that. I didn't say all that. I just said, yo, me. Yo, me and my ex, girl. You know, that's something that we did,

[Baby D]

and you liked it.

[Tony Ayo]

Not saying that.

[Zip]

Yo, I liked it.

[Tony Ayo]

And I'm just saying that was something that we did, and you would like

[Baby D]

for me to do it to you.

[Tony Ayo]

I didn't see. I didn't say that. I never said those words. You keep adding words to the salad.

[Baby D]

The conversation is how to get the new girl to do what you used to do with the old one. That's the conversation we had.

[Tony Ayo]

Not necessarily try to get her to do what I used to do with the old one, but introducing the conversation of. I was never into that Play fighting, rough housing, you know, during foreplay, whatever. Did it with my ex, girl. And it was, you know, it was cool. It was part of our love.

[Baby D]

A bitch slapping the. Out of the love of my life while she riding him like that. Like, I would go to. I would wake up out of my sleep, like, in a cold.

[Zip]

I was just saying that to myself when she first said, don't. She's a tiger. It's like a tiger. Like, that's it. It's not. It's none of that. Don't tell her about the last time. Don't tell about the last time.

[Baby D]

Not if there's a chance we could get married. Like, if we. Like, on the type where we. There's a chance we could get married. I don't want to hear that. Tell me you like something. Don't give me the visual of how it.

[Zip]

What happened, Tiger.

[Baby D]

I want to figure out how you definitely Tiger tight.

[Tony Ayo]

Do we have another voicemail?

[Baby D]

No, we don't, but we do need to talk about some NBA stuff, and I need y' all to explain it to me because they said, I don't know. I just read Draymond turned down 27.7 million. I don't know what that means. Can I explain that?

[Zip]

He declined that all right, so he gonna go get a new deal. But he declined that 27 million and make room on the roster because the NBA got levels, right? And so you, you, you, you want to stay on a certain floor, you're gonna be having, you're gonna be paying out the ass in luxury tax. So by him doing that, declining that 27 million, he could come back on a veteran minimum and then they probably could go get another veteran like LeBron. I heard talks about the Anthony Davies and Anthony Davis going over there. So like that's, that's for the team. He already made probably $200 million playing basketball in his career. You know what I mean? Opt out of that.

[Baby D]

So there's a chance that Draymond, Steph, LeBron and Anthony Davis could all be on the same team.

[Zip]

Yeah, the senior citizens, that'll be a senior citizen squad.

[Baby D]

The Transformers and the Avengers. Because the Knicks won the chip is weird.

[Zip]

I don't think that, I don't think that should be enough in the west anyway. But I'm saying LeBron is a difference making. In my opinion, he'd be a difference maker. But oh, LeBron, Steph missed like 30 games last year. I don't think Anthony Davis played 30 games last year. Jimmy Butler missed. He gonna miss a lot. It's a lot of like, it's a lot of going on over there that I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, it'll look good. They sell a lot of jerseys. LeBron will sell a lot of jerseys. They make that money back.

[Tony Ayo]

But I don't like it for a number of reasons. I just don't know what it again. I don't think this guarantees them a championship.

[Zip]

No.

[Tony Ayo]

At all.

[Zip]

It doesn't.

[Tony Ayo]

I think they still will have a tough time in the West. It's just too much buddy ball shit going on.

[Baby D]

What's buddy ball now?

[Tony Ayo]

You my buddy. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play the season together. Let's travel. 82 games. Let's play 82 games. Same team, same locker room. Let's laugh, let's stream together.

[Baby D]

He mad.

[Zip]

We just other options. Staying in la. Like, I mean, if he don't go to Golden State, we'll go back to Cleveland. Go to New York.

[Tony Ayo]

What? Retire.

[Zip]

Retire?

[Tony Ayo]

You not gonna. This does not guarantee. So what are you playing for now?

[Zip]

Fine. Because he likes to play.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, it's a lot of niggas that like to play basketball.

[Zip]

They can't though. They not nice. They can't go get you 25 a night. I like to play, and I still will go get you 25 a night, six rebounds, six assists. Any team I'm on, I could do that on. I like playing.

[Tony Ayo]

I just don't think that. I think that this is just. Again, it feels like ring chasing. And I don't think at this point in LeBron's career he needs to chase rings. I think his. His legacy is cemented. He's one of the greatest ever. Like, I just. This, this. This to me just feels like they had a conversation this summer in the group chat and was like, yo, let's shake up the NBA and let's all play on the same team next season. And, and, and just watch everybody just try to go get one.

[Zip]

Because Golden State won one like two, three years ago. Like three years ago, right? Yeah, they won one three years ago.

[Tony Ayo]

So anytime you got LeBron and, and, and, and Steph in the same locker room, you got a chance of winning it. That's just two of the greatest.

[Zip]

But they old though, son. They don't play enough. I'm saying LeBron pieces around them. Steph don't play enough games to me, bro. I don't know if Steph gonna play enough games.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but I. Steph don't play enough games because he's probably worn out because he has to push himself to carry the team. Now, when you add a LeBron and you add an ad to what you already have, that's not.

[Zip]

Nah, but he not that kind of player. He not the ball in the hand type of player like that. Anyway, Draymond is running the offense.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but this is what I'm saying. When you add potentially a LeBron James.

[Zip]

So somebody else is running the office. He never ran the office over there.

[Tony Ayo]

He don't need to.

[Zip]

He never did it. That's what I'm saying.

[Tony Ayo]

He's had success.

[Zip]

He's still gonna have to run around running off them screens and all.

[Tony Ayo]

He's still gonna have to do a high level. He can still do that at a high level. He can still catch and shoot.

[Zip]

Nah, the best ability is availability. He missed like 30 games last year. That's bad basketball, bro.

[Jeff T]

But.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but he missed 30 games wide teams because there was nobody there. He didn't have it. He had to carry.

[Zip]

He had Jimmy Butler with him.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but that's not. Jimmy Butler is not. He's not going to take a lot of the pressure off of you. You're not going to double team Jimmy Butler a lot. You're not going to double Jimmy, you're

[Zip]

not doubling LeBron no more.

[Colin Coward]

Nevo.

[Tony Ayo]

Certain situations you might have to. You see what I'm saying? I just think that it's just when you add them to the. To the mix, it makes them a legit title contender.

[Zip]

No, the fuck it don't.

[Tony Ayo]

The Warriors.

[Zip]

I'm saying legit title contenders. When you say that right? When you say title contenders.

[Tony Ayo]

I think they'll be in the Western Conference finals with that team healthy.

[Zip]

I don't think they beat the spurs, and I don't think they beat okc. They make it to the Western Conference,

[Tony Ayo]

but that we contending. I'm just saying I think that they can contend.

[Zip]

I don't think that. That's what I'm saying. I don't think.

[Tony Ayo]

I think that lineup healthy. They go to the Western Conference finals, and that's all you want to do is go to the conference finals.

[Zip]

I don't think them niggas make it there.

[Tony Ayo]

I didn't think the Knicks was going to make it there.

[Zip]

That's bad thinking.

[Tony Ayo]

Why is that?

[Zip]

Because the Knicks. The Knicks was busting ass all year. The Knicks did great all year. The Knicks had no. The Knicks, everybody was hurt. Tyrese Halliburton was hurt. The main nigga on Indiana was hurt.

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[Zip]

The main on Boston was hurt. And I'm saying, why? Why? Why wouldn't the Knicks make it to the conference finals if they. If.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, I had them going to the con this year.

[Zip]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tony Ayo]

But I'm saying, like, I didn't think that they was going to go all the way and win it all.

[Zip]

So once they get to the chip, right? I'm saying, I told this in February, in December, when they play San Antonio for the cup, if they go to the chip against okc, they don't win it. It's not Nicks in five. I don't feel like that if the Knicks win that they would have won a game seven. That should have went all the place over. I seen Indiana go seven games with them niggas, too. So, like, I felt like the Knicks could have won seven games with them niggas, too. But San Antonio, I told niggas they can't beat the Knicks. The Wings stopped the Wings. Mikhail Bridges, OG Anunoby, they was bigging at everybody on the spurs except for Wimby.

[Tony Ayo]

So you don't feel like this team, this Golden State warriors team, potentially, with LeBron and AJ, they too old?

[Zip]

Hell no, they too old. Niggas is young. Lamelo ball just Went to Minnesota.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't think they're doing nothing right.

[Zip]

And so. And I think that's bad things. Anthony Edwards went to the conference finals two years in a row, and then he missed it last year. But that nigga's conference finals every year. He got Lamelo. He off ball now. He don't gotta play on the ball no more. That is about to be crazy over there, I think.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, but you just said the best ability is availability.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

How many games Lamelo miss?

[Zip]

He be missing games.

[Tony Ayo]

All right, so back to what we was just talking about. Now you saying what I was just saying. That's all I'm saying.

[Zip]

But did he miss as many games as stat?

[Tony Ayo]

No.

[Zip]

All right. He played 72. He played 72 games last year.

[Tony Ayo]

Last year. Best ability is availability.

[Zip]

I'm done. I need mellow. Mellow. And ain't that's the best backcourt in the league? I don't care what nobody say. I don't got to see nothing. That's the bed. Lamelo want to pass you the ball. He want to do that before.

[Tony Ayo]

It's gonna be fun to watch.

[Zip]

Yeah, dangerous. That's a dangerous thing.

[Tony Ayo]

It's gonna be fun to watch and

[Zip]

fake know how to get to. He know. He fake know how to get there.

[Tony Ayo]

It'll be fun to watch. I just don't know if they got enough though, yet. They gotta see what the rest they do with the rest of that roster in Minnesota. But, Yeah, I. If LeBron, I. I don't know, I just don't like it. I don't like him going to Golden State.

[Zip]

I don't like. I don't like LeBron going to Golden State neither.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't like it. I just. It's just, you know, I just don't like to. Again, it feels like you ring chasing and again, I don't feel like.

[Zip]

What? You want to go to Cleveland?

[Tony Ayo]

No. I don't know, man. I think just stay in la, finish it out. Finish your career out in la, Retire in la.

[Zip]

Stay with Bronny.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, stay in LA or retire. Go out. Have a chance to go out on a high note, you know, still being able to play at a high level. You don't want to go out on a losing note. And your numbers are the worst days that they've ever been in your career. All career lows across the board. Like, I just, you know, I don't. If you could go out and you was like, damn. When he retired, he was still averaging 20 plus and just that. I think that's how you want to go out. Cause like I said, this doesn't guarantee a ring. Now you wearing another jersey for another dynasty franchise. The Lakers is a dynasty franchise now. The Gold State warriors is a dynasty franchise. You know, it's just like, you just. It's, you know, again, that's.

[Zip]

When did that change? I thought you had to win three in a row to be a dynasty. San Antonio changed that rule.

[Tony Ayo]

I think if you win three in a certain amount of years, if you win three in five years or four years, I think you're still a dynasty.

[Zip]

So San Antonio, the ones that changed the rule then? Because before, you used to have to win three in a row to be a dynasty.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Zip]

LA was the dynasty. Chicago was the dynasty. You had to win three in a row to be the dynasty.

[Tony Ayo]

But if you went three and four, I think you're still a dynasty. I think so. And definitely, if you get there four out of the last five years in a row, you know what I'm saying? Like. Cause you could be a dynasty and not, you know, win it. Just getting there four years in a row.

[Zip]

What if Jaylen Brown go to Houston, though, with Kevin Durant?

[Tony Ayo]

That's gonna be tough. That'd be tough.

[Zip]

I like that better than Golden State, too.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, that'd be tough. But again, availability. How many games did Kevin Durant miss last year?

[Zip]

Not a lot.

[Tony Ayo]

He played most of the year.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's playing.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. I think you put KD and Jaylen Brown on the same team. I think they caused a lot of problems out west, too. He played 78. No way.

[Zip]

Including the playoffs.

[Tony Ayo]

KD didn't play in the playoffs last year. This year? This last season. Houston went to the playoffs.

[Zip]

Yeah, they went.

[Tony Ayo]

How many games did he play? One game. Two games in the playoffs?

[Zip]

Yeah. He played 78 games in the regular season. Word, nigga. Missed three. Four games. Games. Four games.

[Tony Ayo]

But he didn't play in the playoffs, though, right? Why they did go to the playoffs, though? He got hurt going into the playoffs?

[Zip]

Yeah. The first game or the second game? He came back the second and then sat out the rest of them shits. Right. You get Jalen Brown over there for Thompson. Yeah, for Thompson.

[Tony Ayo]

All right, y'.

[Zip]

All.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, Zip, thank you for filling in today for Rory, man. I appreciate you pulling up. You'll get better, Rory, as. As always. Yes. Prayers and, you know, healing to our brother Rory. Hopefully he's. He's feeling better and getting better. If not, though, we'll still be here holding it down for him, and we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's Netflix. Zip.

[Zip]

No worrying now.

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