Episode 516 | Leave Jay-Z Alone! + Joyce Wrice Stops By

Summary

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New Rory & MAL: Episode 516 | "Leave Jay-Z Alone! + Joyce Wrice Stops By" (July 9, 2026)

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Overview

In this dynamic episode, Rory and Mal return to the studio for another round of music industry hot takes, laughter, and candid conversation. The first half is dominated by a spirited defense of Jay-Z amid an ongoing "smear campaign" and broader dialogue about celebrity activism, capitalism, and media hypocrisy. The second half sees acclaimed R&B singer Joyce Wrice joining the show for a frank, hilarious, and insightful discussion about her creative process, dating, and her highly-anticipated new album.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

The “Jay-Z Smear Campaign” & Double Standards in Black Capitalism

Is Jay-Z Facing Unfair Scrutiny? (09:05–25:52)

• Social Media Attacks: Rory and Mal discuss the recent wave of online hate and conspiracy theories about Jay-Z, including wild claims that he uses ghostwriters and manufactured sales numbers. Mal thinks it’s just “a bunch of weirdos on the Internet" (09:13).
• Media Amplification: The conversation notes that once the noise makes it to big platforms—like Funk Flex’s 47-minute rant—it shifts from trolling to a phenomenon driving engagement and clicks (11:46).
• Critique of Activist Expectations: Rory questions why Jay-Z is held to a unique standard, expected to be both a mogul and an activist—"Does Hov get the flack as an activist when he's clearly not one?" (16:49).
  • Mal: “Jay is a businessman. He's here to make money, doing things that he feels align with him and his purpose. He does a lot of giving back as well" (18:53).
  • They compare Jay-Z’s scrutiny to that faced by white billionaires: “No one puts the pressure on Jeff Bezos to be some activist … I think it’s fucked up the pressure they put on Hov that he's supposed to be this person when he's not saying he is" (20:27).
• NFL Partnership/Kaepernick Fallout: The hosts dissect the outrage surrounding Jay-Z’s "past kneeling" comment during his NFL deal (12:47–16:49). They debate whether it was actually dismissive of Colin Kaepernick or simply part of moving the conversation forward.
  • Mal: “Shouldn’t you be past kneeling? Shouldn't you be … doing something that impacts people on a broader scale?" (13:44)
  • Rory: "People perceived that as dismissing what Kaep had done … but players aren’t kneeling anymore either." (15:41)

Double Standards in Capitalism & Charity (21:11–25:44)

• Mal lists Jay’s philanthropic work—scholarships, Big Brother/Big Sisters, Roc Nation’s social justice division—arguing much isn’t publicized, and the routine is that “there has to be a negative … in everything" (18:53).
• “Jay will always be a drug dealing rapper from Marcy Projects … so everything has to be about money … But you should care about money. Everyone should be doing something that creates income to do other things and put people in better positions.” (23:58)
• Rory: “Why is he the only billionaire that can’t be both [a capitalist and a philanthropist]? … Because he’s a rapper. That’s all people are ever going to view Jay as.” (22:52–23:58)

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Celebrity Business Ventures, Industry “Compromise” & Media Narratives

Charlamagne, Roc Nation, and Conflict of Interest? (25:52–35:04)

• The hosts break down recent controversies about Charlamagne, Fat Joe, and Angela Rye advocating for Roc Nation’s Times Square casino project in their media appearances.
  • Rory explains that, from his personal experience living in Manhattan Plaza (the only affected area), radio hosts' opinions "change nothing" in the zoning process (31:21).
  • Rory: “If Charlemagne has the opportunity to have stake into a casino that may open in Times Square, he's supposed to say no?” (27:26).
  • Mal: “Charlemagne is a businessman. He's a capitalist. He wrote seven books about mental health, and he's doing his mental spine. He's a capitalist, which is fine.” (28:40)
• Lively discussion about industry "compromise" and alleged payola: “If you think that companies, labels have not been in bed with radio … you are out of your mind.” (30:41)
• Reflection: Why is business ambition/capitalism celebrated in some, seen as “selling out” in others—especially Black celebrities?

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Joyce Wrice Interview — Artistry, Dating & Being an R&B "Girly"

Joyce on New York vs LA, Touring, and Studio Life (39:43–45:45)

• Joyce gushes about the energy of New York: “There’s so much life in New York compared to LA. The energy … In LA you have to drive everywhere; here, you step out and it's right outside." (40:46)
• Chat about the perils and joys of city scooters, bikes, and walking (41:56–44:17).

Creative Process, Heartbreak, and Dating as a Muse (45:31–56:44)

• Reflecting on hiatus since 2021’s Overgrown: “I was ready to make my second album but didn’t know what I wanted to talk about … After I made Iced Tea … I was single for the first time and not sad about it.” (47:56, 48:58).
• On drawing inspiration from romantic encounters—“I’m inspired by men I encounter and indulge in” (48:24)—and the awkwardness of exes realizing songs are about them: “As it was playing in the car, I was like, Joyce, what are you doing?” (51:18).
• Songwriting honesty: “I never spoke to him about how I was feeling about our relationship … I did it through the music.”
• “I’d be honored for a woman to write a song about me and, like, our relationship and our experience.” (57:07, Mal)

The New Singles, “Break Me In” & “Crack the Code” (53:01–57:07)

• Joyce details how Break Me In is a “manifestation song” for a lover she hasn’t met yet, mixed with inspiration from a past flame: “It’s been some years—I’m not celibate, but I’m like, yeah, I think there’s a lot of us women who haven’t met men we want to hook up with.” (54:44)
• Crack the Code draws from inspiration from several men, but as Joyce says, “I don’t tell—I keep it vague … One of them has a girlfriend, and I also ended that one too.” (55:52–56:53)

Candid Moments & Notable Quotes

• On fans reading too much into personal lyrics: "It's a new pair of shoes. Sometimes you need to break them in." (74:30, Rory joking about Joyce explaining her lyrics to her father)
• Song titles as inside jokes and double entendres; lively banter about DJing, "dating a rapper" vs "dating someone who raps" (65:13), and the perils of being a public figure whose life bleeds into creative work.

The Female R&B Renaissance & Sexuality (85:55–91:14)

• Mal observes, “There’s something happening with R&B women … Every time I look up, I’m like, okay, there’s something going on.” (86:18)
• The group discusses the current dominance of queer women in R&B (Kehlani, Jozzy, K:One, Remi Wolf, etc.), with Joyce reflecting, “There’s this confidence, this swag … it's mesmerizing." (88:45)
• Joyce playfully admits, “They could get me too. It’s just something!” (87:48)

Joyce’s Upcoming Album (75:49–78:59)

• Album is finished—coming soon! “What’s a full album?—10 plus [songs] ... I think 14 is the cutoff, after that do the deluxe.” (76:00)
• Joyce is excited for fans to hear her evolved sound, hinting at collaborations and more surprises—but keeps the title under wraps (83:50).

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Memorable Quotes

• Mal, on Jay-Z activism critique (16:49):
  “Jay is a businessman. He's here to make money doing things that align with him and his purpose … If he's making money and giving away money, isn't that what this whole thing is about?”
• Rory, on Jay-Z double standards (22:52):
  “Why is he the only billionaire that can't be both? Because no other billionaire gets shit—and it’s because he’s a rapper. That's all people are ever going to view Jay as.”
• Joyce Wrice, on heartbreak as creative fuel (48:24):
  “I realize I'm inspired by men that I encounter and indulge in. I haven’t been in a committed relationship since before Overgrown … For the first time I was single and not sad about it.”
• Joyce Wrice, on living honestly through music (51:10):
  “There was a time where I was writing music and I was in a relationship—I did it through the music. But when I played him the music … it’s all about me wanting to be single and feeling miserable in the relationship.”
• Mal, on music and relationships (57:07):
  “I’d be honored for a woman to write a song about me … Our relationship and experience. It’s not a negative.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [09:05] – Jay-Z Smear Campaign & Internet Hate
• [12:47] – Jay-Z, NFL, and "Past Kneeling"
• [21:11] – Philanthropy, Capitalism, and Black Celebrity Double Standards
• [25:52] – Charlamagne, Casino Venture, and Industry "Compromise"
• [39:43] – Joyce Wrice Intro, New York Energy, Living in LA
• [45:31] – Joyce on Songwriting, Hiatus, and Romantic Inspiration
• [53:01] – "Break Me In" & "Crack The Code," Writing from Real Life
• [74:01] – Sexually Honest Lyrics & Talking with Parents about Art
• [76:00] – Joyce’s Upcoming Album Plans
• [85:55] – Lesbian Women and the R&B Renaissance
• [83:50 & 91:14] – Album Details, Marketing, and Closing Banter

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Final Thoughts

This episode is classic New Rory & Mal—fun, provocative, and disarmingly candid. The first half offers a sharp, nuanced take on the shifting narratives around hip-hop legends and modern celebrity. The Joyce Wrice segment is packed with both musical insight and hilarity, making it a must-listen for R&B fans and anyone interested in the reality behind songwriting. The show closes with optimism, encouragement for Joyce's new release, and the promise that she’ll return when her album drops.

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Listen if you want: Insider hip-hop commentary, real talk about fame, race, love, and the music industry, plus an intimate window into Joyce Wrice’s creative world.
Skip if you’re: Looking for a quick news roundup—this is in-depth, sometimes meandering, and always personality-driven.

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No worry and ma.

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No conduct. Welcome back.

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Yes, sir.

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You missed my welcome backs, didn't you? Yeah, my radio voice.

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I missed. I missed the cadence. What would I do without the welcome

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back

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you liked it when Mace came back?

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Loved it. It was a great time.

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That was a great. That was a great return single, too.

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Such a Mace return single, right?

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It definitely was. And post pastor, like the kids. It was. Yeah, it was.

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I don't know. Beth was back.

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When this beat drop, I know they're going to lean. Was that the best return single? Trying to think, who else?

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Now you put me on the spot.

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I got to. Yeah. No, I mean, I just. This wasn't like, on the docket, but now I'm just trying to think of

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the best return song single.

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I'm sure people are screaming at their. Their car radios right now. Cuz I'm sure Mace welcome Back was not the best return one.

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No, but who left and, like, that's what I'm trying.

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Like, who left, left, and.

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And when Mace left, like at that. In that prom, like that.

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Show me what you got.

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But Jay never left.

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He retired.

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He didn't retire, man. Cut it out.

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He. He had a movie.

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He retired because he gave you and Bleak the keys.

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Like, it was over. He retired and his. His return records will show me what you got.

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I never looked at Jay like you retired, though.

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I know. All right, but saying that you retired, like that type of thing, hey, I'm done here. And then you come back, I see, like, Jordan still returned with the four or five.

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Yeah.

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But nobody, Nobody really thought he was

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gonna just be the best return single right there. Yeah, that's the best return single.

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What do you say?

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Malice?

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Yeah, I mean, malice just in general.

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Yeah, but malice is not. It's not a solo artist. It's not like,

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yeah, Tupac, California.

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Like California.

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That's him coming back. But he. He was in jail. No one thought Pac was gonna get out of jail and retire from rap.

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Like California Love. A first day out about T Grizzly. T Grizzly was first day out too, right?

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Yeah, but that was our introduction. I mean, I'm sure the rest of Michigan knew. We didn't know.

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He was like, no, but out of prison, like, that's the best out of out of prison song.

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Well, was California Love the first joint?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Hell yeah.

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Was Adam Bale before that?

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Oh, now you.

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California Love was the first single. I think Pac had put something else. Oh, all right, cool then. Yeah. Yeah. California Love. It beats First Day up.

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I'm.

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I hate. Like. I'm sorry, guys.

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It was a joke of. Of course.

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California Love Be California Love. Yeah. Ryan, what do you put Unforgettable? French Montana. Did French disappear Yeah, I guess Mace and Hov are the only ones that really retired, per se. Like, artists have taken a lot of time off, but. And, yeah, Malice, too. All right, cool. It's Malice, Mason, Hov.

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That's the list right there.

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I'm sure there's other ones that were. That we are forgetting, but. How you feeling?

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I'm good, man. How you feeling? You all right?

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Yeah, I'm good.

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Feeling better?

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Yeah.

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Everybody's been hitting my phone checking on you. I'm like, he's. He's good, man. He's. He's getting better. He's good.

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Damaris texted me yesterday. Why didn't you tell everyone that you had a stroke? Now everyone's hitting my phone. Was I supposed to send a mass text out, hey, I know you?

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She said, why wouldn't you tell everybody?

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Why wouldn't you tell everyone? Like, because I really only told you guys. My mom, Kia. I didn't tell anyone.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Somebody's like, why didn't you tell all your friends? I was like, what, do I send a text out? Hey, just a heads up, I had a stroke. Like, I don't even know what that text looks like. Yeah. Mind you, I love you guys, but I only told you guys because we work together and I had to be somewhere.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, Ryan knew before some of my closest friends, but it was just because we had work.

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Yeah, I get it.

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But, yeah, Damaris was mad at me, and we are without Damaris today. But she will be back next episode.

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She didn't have a stroke, did she?

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She did not have a stroke.

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No. Okay.

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No. But she did text me last night at 11pm and said, I'm stuck in Dallas. I said, how the did you get to Dallas?

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Stop flying on the buddy passes, man.

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Well, no, there was so much bad weather that she. She caught the Okie doke of, like, Delta customer service of, like, you know, you could fly to Denver, then to Vancouver, and we'll have you back in New York in.

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Fly you to the west coast to bring you back to New York.

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I. I don't repeat myself. I know I've said it off mic, but when we were in Houston one time and there was terrible weather in New York, everyone in the Palooza crew was like, we're gonna get back. I was like, we should probably just wait out the storm, guys. Yeah, like, in Houston, it's totally.

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It's fine.

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Fine. They flew. Peach, I think you were part of the crew. You guys flew to what, Minnesota? No, I think it was. It was.

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That's a hub.

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So I feel like it was like Minneapolis, then Detroit, then you guys took a plane to Philly and took the train from Philly to New York mall, mind you, I beat them home and I took a direct flight from Houston to New York and I beat them home. I was like, God, I think you're kind of jumping the gun right here. Yeah, let's just stay put for a day.

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Yeah, relax.

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We had. We have the mall right across the street. Galleria, Cheesecake Factory. Why, why do you guys want to fly to Philly and take a train?

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I never understood why people like, be such in a rush to like fly unless, I mean, obviously if you have to get back home to do things, but it's like if it's weather related and it's like nothing that the airlines can do, like it's okay to just stay where you're at.

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No one had an emergency, Mind you, at that point I was still working a 9 to 5 job. I sent them screenshots of my flight being canceled. I was like, I'll get home when I can. And they were like, well, yeah, you sent the proof. All right. Yeah, see, See when you get back.

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Get back. Yeah.

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Rushing to do all that.

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Nah, nah, I'll stay in Houston any day.

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I'll smoke Kuka in 90 degree weather instead of going back to snowy New

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York not smoking hookah. But I'll stay in Houston. Over. Over. Flying in Minnesota any day for sure.

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I did see that the ho smear campaign is still. Still on the rise.

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Is there's a new, like a new thing. What's the latest, what's the latest in the whole smear campaign? What's the latest and the greatest peach.

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All right, here. All right, here's my thing. I've kind of wanted to stay away from a lot of this because one, we get accused of being hovengers, but we call ourselves that. It is what it is. We've never been paid by ROC Nation.

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We've never been paid by ROC Nation.

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We have no marching orders, not on anybody's payroll. But I can see where people think we wouldn't be objective. And we admit when we're not being objective when it comes to hov. So I've tried to stay out of this because anything we say, no one's really going to, you know, take with an objective ear. I've loved what Wayne Wayno has been giving nothing but common sense to the world with this new hove smear campaign. According to. And I didn't want to give light to it. Because it's a bunch of weirdos on the Internet. It's not like real. It's not something that's actually happening in the world. There's just a selective part of the Internet that are Nicki Stans and Drake Stans that are just on this huge Jay Z smear campaign. To the point now that yesterday the trending topic was that Jay Z has a ghostwriter and has never written any of his own rhymes. That's how far we've gotten.

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Yeah, but like that is.

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No, but they're saying it with conviction and. And matter of fact.

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Yeah, but that's, you know, I don't see those are the things that y' all like to talk about and get into. I don't really. I don't pay that no more.

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Well, again, I. It's been going on and we haven't talked about it because I don't want to give light to just a weird specific part of the Internet. And like, you know, they're saying that Hov's new album only sold 30,000. It's like it's a 30th anniversary. It's a resale of just vinyls again.

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Yeah, you can't, you know, mean that type of stuff you can't really get into.

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But why I want to talk about it now is because it reached Funk Flex two days ago. Flex went on a 47 minute rant. I timed it well, YouTube did. Of talking about Jay Z. It has now gotten to the point where it is becoming trending and cool and you get clicks if you shit on Jay Z. Now. I didn't think we'd ever get to this point, but we did see it with Eminem as well, which I even participated in. Not to get clicks, but that's just how I felt. I didn't think we'd get to this point with hov, but we have seen it with a lot of artists. We've seen it with Drake, we've seen it with em. And now it's Jay Z's turn on the Summer Jam screen. Ironically. I don't know what about this anniversary has sparked everyone to now start the Jay Z hate train. But we're here. He did the super bowl deal. What? In 2020? Was that before or after Covid?

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Before COVID I think before COVID 192019 signed in 2019, five year $25 million contract. The NFL and Roc Nation extended their agreement in October 2024 for another five years.

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Here's my thing. I totally understand people that were against what HOV had Done. And I've been objective. I think there's one. One weakness that Jay Z has sometimes it is how he markets announcements. I thought the title situation was incredible, what he did, but I think how he announced it with a bunch of multimillionaires on stage saying, hey, we're not making enough money. Please buy into our thing so we can make more money was not the right marketing tool for the average fan. I'm looking at a bunch of millionaires telling me they're not making money, which is the truth. And artists should get their fair share, but the regular consumer doesn't care that much about it. They just want to hear music.

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Right.

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I also thought his situation with the NFL and having that sound bite with or without the context were past kneeling, was not a great look. PR wise for Hope having show everyone at the table Goodell. But I don't know why Flex, seven years later, is now talking for 47 minutes about this. Like, you can feel a way about it. I would never be mad at someone saying, hey, I felt like it went against what Colin Kaepernick was doing. Even though Kaepernick had already had his settlement with the NFL at that point. And in no pun intended, it was past kneeling at that point, we. They settled.

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Why were people so upset about that with past kneeling thing? Like, shouldn't you be past Neil? Shouldn't you be like, all right, let's do something more actionable. Let's take it to another level. Like, what is wrong with saying, we're past kneeling? Shouldn't it be progress? Shouldn't it be like, okay, we're on. We're doing something else now?

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I think people perceive that as kind of. And I'm not saying Jay was doing this, but kind of dismissing what Kaep had done kind of it. Some people, it came across dismissive of, like, we're past the kneeling thing.

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But Kaepernick dismissed what he had done. He signed a settlement with the NFL.

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Fair. No, I agree, but I'm saying how people perceived it.

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So he was the guy who kneeled, was past kneeling.

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But you're trying to give an accurate timeline when that's not what.

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Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So now that we're talking about it, we have to put those things out there.

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Like, yeah, no, I agree. But people were taking that as it was going against Kaepernick and everything that. That he had done. And we said, even when we were potting at that time, we don't know exactly what it is. Let's see what Jay does with it. Because at that point with that press conference, I didn't fully understand, like, okay, he's teaming up with the NFL for what are we doing? And I've mocked the end. Racism in the end zone. I mean, I. I just don't know what that does. I don't think anyone that's racist at a football game sees that and goes, oh, I never thought of it that way. I think people were waiting to see what this was really going to do with the community, with the NFL. And from what it seems like Jay has just put a lot of people of color at the halftime show, which is, I think, is great. I just think people took it as okay. If you're going to, quote, unquote, dismiss Colin Kaepernick's actions just doing a halftime show, what is that really doing for the people? Like, don't do a whole press conference like you're here for the people when it's like, okay, just what was Neil

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and doing for the people?

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I think it brought more attention and conversation to police brutality. I think it did. I certainly think it did. And I think the severity of what it did to Cap's career showed the hypocrisy of the NFL and showed the hypocrisy of how people viewed police brutality.

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Are players still kneeling?

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No.

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So the players are past it.

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Sure. And I mean, I, I think you're looking at kneeling as the thing, whereas the message was more.

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But that's what Jay said. We're past kneeling for sure.

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But it's just trying to say who still is the solution. Okay, we're past kneeling, but thank God Shakira's doing halftime. Like, I think that's where people are.

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But you again, that's people making it what they, you know.

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Sure, yeah.

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Their own take on what he's saying. I'm just saying if somebody says we're past kneeling, where we should be on to more, you know, let's do something. Yeah, better and do something bigger and do something that impacts people on a broader scale than just kneeling. I just don't see how people was took that in a. As a. In a negative connotation. Like, yeah, you should be past kneeling. Just like you. I mean, I don't see any other players kneeling anymore. I don't see end racism in the end zone anymore. I don't see when the NBA had the lockout, they in the bubble and they had all the things on their juries. You don't see any of that anymore. So people are past Those things, like, so I'm just saying, where's the outrage for everything across the board when it comes to that?

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Yeah, I hear you. I just think again, when you say past kneeling. All right, we're past kneeling. So the next thing is Rihanna at the Super Bowl. That's where I think people felt odd about it. Like, all right, we gave Jay the six months that he was asking when he, when he talked to other radio personalities, like, yo, give me six months. See what I do with it. And I, I. And I'm sure there's a lot of programs in the NFL now that has to do with kids from the inner city, minorities, this and that, that. I know that they've done a lot more programs. Those just don't get highlighted. Yeah, Shakira and J. Lo gets highlighted. Bad Bunny gets highlighted. So I, I hear that. But I do want to ask you, with all this talk about Jay Z now in a negative light, which is what they do, anytime you're trying to do something, let's go find the one or two negative things about you and not even think about the hundred great things. Do you think people give HOV too much credit in the activist world? I think, again, this is coming from a white person. So bear with. I'm outside looking in. I guess I never, I think Jay has done a lot of great things for the community, but I always look at Jay as who he says he is. I'm a hustler. I'm here to give money. Like, he's a capitalist. So maybe that's why I don't. Did I agree with the Barclays center and how it pushed out a bunch of people, Even though hove had a very minuscule part of that, they did make him the face. But that was happening with or without Jay Z. Like, let's make that fucking very clear. Did I agree? No, that did changed that neighborhood drastically. But Barclays center wasn't the only thing that changed that part of Brooklyn. With or without a stadium, Flatbush is getting changed. Does HOV get the flack as an activist when he's clearly not one? Because now people are like, yo, you can't do this and have these press conferences and, you know, you're moving around like activists, but then you go do the Barclays thing, then you do the deal with the NFL. I'm like, well, when did. Does he say he's this socialist activist? I don't know when he's ever said that.

[C]

No, I don't think he's ever said that. I just think again, you know, People just. You're gonna find a way to, you know, see a flaw in everything. Some people. There has to be a negative and everything. There has to be a selfish reason and everything. And like you said, you know, Jay is a businessman. He's. He's here to make money doing things that he feel align with him and his purpose. He does a lot of giving back as well done. A lot of giving away, a lot of scholarships to kids to go to college and things like that. Continues to do a lot of things in the community, things that we don't know about every day because you don't hear about it every day. But, I mean, if he's making money and he's also giving away money, I mean, isn't that what this whole thing is about?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, you have to make money in order, and then if you want to spread the wealth and give other people opportunities and give young. Young people, you know, a chance to pursue their dreams and things like that, you have to make money. You have to create income and create avenues for those things to happen. So, you know, somebody feels like, oh, he's doing the halftime show. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, but then look at what's coming off the. The back of that, though. What's a result? What's the end result of him now taking over the entertainment for the halftime show, which is one of the biggest shows, biggest stages in our culture. Look at the things that come away from that, though, that come off of that. Like, what are the opportunities? I don't know all of them off top. But I'm pretty sure that it's created opportunities for people where it may not have existed at one point.

[B]

And this isn't even caping fur ho.

[C]

It's not.

[B]

Again.

[C]

It is.

[B]

Again, I disagree with some of the moves that he's made. Made, but I don't think those define them. I do. I hate to use, like, the buzzword white privilege thing, but it does. Like, Jeff Bezos does more charity than people know about. But no one puts the pressure on Jeff Bezos to be some activist or how come he's not giving more money to charity. His wife, when they did the divorce, like, gave away. She was, like, the third richest person in the world after the divorce, gave out all her money. But no one puts the pressure on every move that she makes that it has to be for the people or she's not allowed to be a capitalist because she also does charity as well.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I think it's fucked up the pressure that they put on Hov that he's supposed to be this person when he's not, he's not saying he is.

[C]

But that's what comes with it, though. That's part of the deal. Like, when you in a position like that, you have to take everything that comes with that. You got to take the good, you got to take the bad, the negative. You have to take all of it. But, you know, as long as you know, you know where your morals align and things like that and things that you're doing. Again, financial grants. The Big Brother, Big Sisters of America, Operation Hope United Negro College Fund Roc Nation routinely attaches direct charitable contributions to major NFL events, like donating 400,000 to the Chicago based Better Boys Foundation Family Services. You know, the team rocks. Philanthropic social justice division. You know, Yo Gotti's in charge of pressuring state governments regarding inhumane prison conditions, things like that. Like, there are other legs and other avenues that come off the back. Like, people just see he's in charge of the halftime show or the entertainment for the super bowl, and they think it stops there. It's other things that are happening. So if you're gonna be outraged and mad cool, but let it. Do your due diligence and understand the full scale of what's happening before you decide to think it's just a selfish act. And it's, you know, it's all about just Jay getting money. Because, I mean, I'm not counting Nobody's pockets here. Five years, $25 million. Deal. $5 million a year. That's not a lot of money for Jay.

[B]

Not. Not even.

[C]

So, so when people say, oh, it's just money, it's just that again, I'm not counting nobody. This is public information. I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that $5 million is not a lot of money to Jay Z. You know what I mean?

[B]

That would have to be something he wants to do, not something he's doing financially.

[C]

So that would say that it's something that he wants to do that he feels like is going to create opportunities to do other things, put people that look like us from our culture in different spaces and on a different platform, things like that. So it can't be a selfish thing because again, it's not a lot of money that we're talking about here.

[B]

And I guess I'm fine with. Anyone can feel however they want about Jay Z, that if you want to hop on this social media trend right now of hating him and point out, as far as cool, like, whatever, everyone has Their day. I would just ask the question, why is he the only billionaire that we put the pressure on where he can't be a capitalist and do philanthropy? I can never say that word.

[C]

Philanthropic.

[B]

That. That's not the word.

[C]

Philanthropic.

[B]

I don't think that's it. I think that's an island.

[C]

It's not philanthropic.

[B]

Philanthropy.

[C]

Oh, philanthropy. Okay, yeah, same, same thing. Philanthropy. Philanthropic.

[B]

I had a stroke now.

[C]

Why give me a stroke now?

[B]

Why. Why is he the only billionaire that can't be both? Because no other billionaire gives shit when

[C]

you know why he can't be. Because he's a rapper. He's a rapper. That's all people ever are going to view Jay as. No matter the amount of business he does, no matter how far removed from rap he is. 30 years. We're celebrating. 30 years since his first album. 30 years. No matter what, he will always be a drug dealing rapper from Marcy projects. I mean, even, like, so everything has to be about money. And it's like he just cares about money. He doesn't care about.

[B]

He does care about money, which is cool.

[C]

You should care about money. Everybody should be doing something that creates income to do other things and put people in better positions.

[A]

Like.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I just think it's odd the double standards when it comes to Jay versus any other capitalist billionaire. It just doesn't get brought up. The New York Post put out that the tickets ticket prices are dropping and they have a deal with SeatGeek already in the fine print. It's just so much mental gymnastics that's happening with this week that I just don't. Are y' all not exhausted of hating someone this much? It's just weird. Yeah. New York Post ticket prices are dropping fast for the Jay Z3 Yankee Stadium concerts. All right, first of all, they all. All three sold out in the first day. These are resale.

[C]

Yeah, resell.

[B]

So people bought them so they could sell them for a profit, which happens with the Taylor Swift show. It happens with every show. And as the date gets closer and people don't buy the outrageous resale prices, of course they're going to drop. Yeah. You bought the ticket for 500, you're selling it for 3,000. It's gotta drop.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And New York Post has a deal with a ticket seller. This is promotion to. Never mind.

[C]

You know, people don't think that deep into it, man. It's just, you know, I understand it, though. That's what just comes with being a certain position. So is what it is.

[B]

And Obviously. Which. Which dame has been saying since the first Breakfast Club interview that Charlamagne has been working for Roc Nation and Jay Z? I came on this pod a year ago. I have a lot of ties to Manhattan Plaza, which is in Times Square, which was. Is the biggest community in Times Square. So if you're trying to open a casino, you have to get the biggest community on board. So Charlemagne, Fat Joe. What's the other girl's name?

[C]

Peach Angela.

[B]

Angela Rai. Angela Rye. Fat Joe Charlemagne have been at Manhattan Plaza multiple times at the town council meeting. Shit. They've been at the wine shop. They've been talking to residents. Yeah, they work for Roc Nation now. I think there's a conflict of interest, and I don't know all the radio rules promoting it the way Charlamagne did on the Breakfast Club. I don't know if that goes against the radio law. I'm not sure. So I'm not here to say Charlemagne did anything illegal, but that has been pointed out. The way he's. He positioned it as if he wasn't part of it, of, like, oh, it'd be great for him. There may be some. Some dicey things in there. But back to capitalism. If Charlemagne has the opportunity to have stake into a casino that may open in Times Square, he's supposed to say no. Like, I'm just a little confused. Okay. Is that going to sway his opinions on the radio? Maybe. But we're. We're acting like Jay Z is on Love Island. Like, there's a Jay Z story every day. I don't know if that's really affected Charlemagne's opinion as a radio host the last 15 years, because Jay Z does something once every seven years. Has that really compromised Charlemagne? And, you know, I rarely defend Charlemagne. I just don't really see this whole Gotcha moment. I know casual fans are now finding that out, but everybody knows within this industry that Charlamagne has been advocating for this casino because he has stake in it. He works with Rock on that. Like, he wasn't even trying to hide it. This whole Gotcha moment, dog. He was advocating publicly about it. Like, yeah, Fat Joe, too. He works Roc Nation. If your brother say, hey, Mo Roy, you guys want to end on this Caesar's palace shit? You fucking right I will. That has nothing to do with what I think about Kingdom Come.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Like, what are we talking about? Yeah, I think a lot of this got you shit is because people are bored. You're trying to make something out of nothing. Charlemagne is a businessman. He's a capitalist. He wrote seven books about mental health, and he's doing his mental spine. He's a capitalist, which is fine.

[C]

Yeah. But you got to remember, though, it's a. It's a part of this whole thing, though. You have to have this side of it. Then you have to have this side of it.

[B]

I just find it funny that people that are compromised by admittedly been compromised by other artists are now mad that someone else may be compromised by another artist.

[C]

Right. Yeah. But again, I don't. I don't.

[B]

And also, what is Charlamagne saying as far as Jay Z music takes go? That we was like, damn. Nah, 444 was trash. Why? Charlemagne said that was good. Like, what. What is compromised? Yeah, I thought when. When I accused and allegedly back in the day, there was the rumor of Atlantic having a lot of money within the Breakfast Club.

[C]

Mm.

[B]

To me, that's different when it's a whole roster of artists, but cool. That's the game.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Starr came on. I think it was Combat Jack, and said when he was on Hot 97 was the biggest thing moving. Then he went to Power 105. Leor Cohen said, here's an advance for you to make a compilation album. Here's $150,000. Star said, okay, all right. I'm on Def Jam to do funk. Flex signed to Def Jam at one point. He was a dj. And I'm not saying Flex took any Paola, but there's loopholes. Star started working on the album and went to Lior's office like, hey, I got some stuff that I'm working on. And Leo said, why? You don't need to make an album. Just take the money.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I gave you the money to make an album. You don't have a release date.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

This is not new. And I'm not saying, Paola, I'm. I'm not accusing anyone of that, because that is illegal. I'm just saying if you think that companies, labels have not been in bed with radio or radio personalities or DJs, and I'm not saying payola even just paid ads, you are out of your mind.

[C]

Yeah, it's all part of it. It's all part of this, the whole system and just how things go. But, you know, more specifically to somebody, like what Jay is doing on the business side and people feeling like, you know, anybody that aligns with him can now not have an unbiased opinion. It's just like you said, when it comes to music, Jay doesn't occupy the space the way he once did when it Comes to music. So, you know, on the business side, if it's this opportunity to partner with, you know, whether it's the NFL or, you know, the casino and things like that. And, you know, I mean, this was. How does that affect. And one thing affect the other thing? It's just. I don't understand that.

[B]

And because I was closer than the average person to the casino thing, not via Roc Nation, via living in that community, I was extremely close to the meetings that were happening. I was in those meetings as a resident of that building. I was there. So I have more information than the average person. Charlemagne going on the radio and saying, hey, I think it would be a good idea for a casino to be in Times Square. It could bring a lot of stuff, a lot of positive things to that area. There's not a lot going on outside of the Eminem store. This could bring a lot of stuff. Changes nothing. Unless somebody living in Manhattan Plaza that could vote on that was listening to power 105 that day. It changes nothing. And Charlemagne was already there advocating the way any other politician would advocate if they were running for office in that same conference room in Manhattan Plaza. You coming on the radio for somebody living in Connecticut, they have no pull on this. Like, what is Charlemagne manipulating here with advocating? Could you. You can't vote for it, but.

[C]

Yeah, but people are not thinking like that, though, that people are not. It's very surface level. Just react to the headline and the fact that people already have their opinions about who Jay Z is as a person. It's all of those things. It's not like you're just saying, all right, what is it affecting, though, really? And then not put a casino in Times Square as opposed to putting what in Times Square now? What do we need another sneaker store? We need another, you know, like Sam Ash or something like that. Sam, what do you need another of. In a casino will bring? How many jobs? How many people can actually, you know, work in a casino? And now, you know, to me, it's a positive. I get it. People saying, oh, but, you know, times people are broke and people. I can't tell as much money as fanduel reports they make a month in New York. I can't tell that people don't have money. I can't tell if people are broke. Like, people are gambling somewhere. People are spending money somewhere.

[B]

I mean, they're gonna think, I'm. I'm on the take here, and I'm not, because in the beginning, I was. Casinos do statistically bring more crime to an area. And a place like Manhattan Plaza, which is, like, right on the cusp of between Hell's Kitchen and Times Square, is the only residential area that would be affected by something like that. Because everything else is commercialism and tourism. They have to live there. So it bringing. You know, they just clean it up. Times Square used to be. When you were growing up, was a shithole. When I was growing up, it changed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, rudy, clean the shit up. I was like, I don't know. That could be kind of crazy. But rock. Out of everyone that was trying to bid for what they pitched to Manhattan Plaza, it was a lot of community programs, a lot of things for the kids that they wanted to do with getting the bid for the casino. There's a lot of shit that was involved with it. Not just slot machines. Right here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I don't know of any other company that bid from. What I saw was not pitching the actual community side and the youth and things that with the money that comes from this casino, we could redo this whole fucking community for y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, this playground can change tomorrow type thing, which I think is good. And I'm. I'm not saying you're wrong if you're like, don't have a casino next to my fucking apartment. But I don't think Charlemagne or Fat Joe is changing anything in that regard. Yeah. Like, I just don't. And if they have the opportunity to be a part of it, and, I mean, it didn't pass. But you're taking that, too. Anyone? Anybody talking about that? You taking it too?

[C]

Like. Yeah, I just, you know, I don't get it, man. Peach. Maybe I'm just getting too old. I don't really care about, like, that. And, like, people get upset on the Internet. I'm just like, y' all are not upset about this. For real.

[B]

We have a friend of the show coming on right now to have. Have a great conversation.

[C]

She got the cakes out.

[B]

And anytime this beautiful woman is on the show, we always have a very good conversation and a conversations I don't think she has on other podcasts because we are also so close.

[C]

Different relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

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I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers and

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Once you've established that you have the talent, it's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbets for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when

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Yes.

[A]

At all.

[B]

But we are joined by our dear friend, Joyce Rice. Studio audience.

[C]

Joyce Rice is in the building.

[B]

Step up. Last time she was on the show, we were in my living room. Look, like.

[C]

Was that the last time?

[B]

We're moving up like the Jefferson's over here.

[C]

This is real.

[A]

Or if you want to include the radio room.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

For bet, but I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, okay. Okay. I knew. I knew. We saw Joy since then.

[A]

Yeah. That was two years.

[B]

That was last year.

[A]

That was last.

[B]

Last year. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, last year. Yeah.

[A]

And then we were in your living room.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Doing choreo.

[B]

Yeah. That was a different time when you.

[A]

That was a different time.

[B]

You pulled your tour. Tour bus into my driveway and we fed the whole tour.

[C]

I missed that. I missed that.

[B]

She taught everyone the choreography for the show. Yeah, it was. It was a good time.

[A]

That was so fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Are you feeling Joyce?

[A]

I'm feeling good. I'm in New York.

[C]

You are in New York. Why does New York make you smile? Like, what is it about. Wait.

[B]

Well, you know, out here as a

[C]

New Yorker, like, I haven't smiled about New York like that in a very long time.

[A]

But that's because you're here. That's because what we were saying.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I just feel like there's so much life in New York compared to la. Yeah. The energy.

[C]

Somebody lives in la.

[A]

Yes. Just right in front of you.

[B]

Do you feel like this is more rich right now?

[A]

I. I would like for it to be my energy.

[C]

Like, you like the hustle of it? The.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Get up and go.

[A]

I do. I think my time in LA is getting a bit. I don't know if I would say stagnant. Yeah. But, you know, everyone says it's different visiting New York and then, like, really being here. Being here. Yeah.

[C]

It's always different visiting. Get a week or two, maybe a month, and then you're like, all right, I can go back home now.

[A]

I think for me, la, it's like you got to drive everywhere.

[C]

You.

[A]

Yeah, I'll hear you step out and

[B]

it's like LA has energy, but you have to drive to the energy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then sit in traffic in between with no energy. Like New York. You can. If you walk out of our studio now, there's energy outside the moment you hit the street.

[C]

So does LA have the city bikes? Do they have that?

[A]

They. I feel like they do in, like this. Yeah, the birds.

[C]

The birdies. What is it called?

[B]

I. Scooty Bikes.

[C]

Lime scooters.

[B]

Doesn't Ray J to have. Have a monopoly over there?

[C]

No. No.

[A]

Is it.

[C]

Scooty bikes are not. It's not. Is it City Eddie McNaul.

[A]

He lives in downtown.

[C]

It's not. I don't think it's.

[B]

Sorry to hear that.

[C]

I know you have the.

[B]

You must be voting Republican now.

[C]

Y' all have the lime. You have lime scooters. For sure.

[A]

You have the scooters, which I don't really care for. Scooters.

[C]

Huh.

[B]

Yo, if I was driving down Sunset and seen Joyce in the scooty lane,

[A]

I. I'm like terrified of getting on those.

[C]

On a scooter. Why?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm just.

[C]

I've always felt like, what if my battery dies?

[A]

Yeah. And then you just fucking fall off.

[B]

It is like. It is a little irresponsible. I feel like for all the states to just give people scooters and bikes, like, no test whatsoever. We've never seen you ride a two wheeler and now we're just giving people. They don't take a Breathalyzer.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like, you could just get on a scooter that goes. That shit goes like 20 miles an hour.

[C]

You know what? Who else. Another city that's big on the scooters is DC when we get that broccoli. Broccoli Fest.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, a lot of people couldn't get Ubers after. Cause it was just so many people coming out of a bunch of sober

[B]

people at a festival.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But everybody. It was like 80 scooters just available and everybody just jumped on a scooter.

[A]

If that's the case, I would thug it out. But yeah, Jasmine, I remember we were doing stuff in San Francisco for Super bowl, and she was like, we need to get to the next spot asap. Me and you will just get on a scooter. I'm like, girl, and I'm in heels.

[C]

Pump scooter.

[B]

Wait, both y' all on one scooter?

[A]

I think that was her. She might have. I can't remember, but I'm, like, trying

[C]

to get to it. Like, listen, we gotta go.

[A]

Yeah, we gotta go.

[C]

Listen. I like that, though. I respect that. Somebody that's just like, listen, we gotta get here. If this is the best way to do it, let's do it. I think I respect that.

[A]

I'd rather get on the bike, but.

[C]

Yeah, the bike, for sure.

[B]

I have a bike that I use sometimes in the city. Using it in New York, you have to, like, be paying attention. You can't just be, like, a novice bike rider in Manhattan, and if you have a credit card, they'll put you on a bike. Yeah, like, to me, that's dangerous.

[C]

And not. No, the traffic is what makes it in New York. Like, the traffic in New York. I commend. A lot of people that I see use the bikes daily. And I'm just like, bro, how are you just on Madison, dipping in and out of traffic like this, like, rush hour. You got buses and cars to deal with. I think I'd just rather walk at that point.

[B]

Yeah, the first time. Jimmer. Brunch Bounce.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

No, it's throwbacks.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's like 15 years old. Brunch Bounce went to Miami for the first time.

[C]

I remember that.

[B]

So we all went down to Miami. I think Palooza had started at that point. And, you know, like, the. The bikes that you can get. What is that on ocean in Miami? Like those. Those electric school shits. Yeah. So we took a wrong turn trying to get to Brunch Bounce on those, and we ended up on 95

[C]

on the highway.

[B]

It's three of us on the. Because we took the turn and you couldn't turn around. Yeah. So we're the bikes, like, in the breakdown lane trying to get to the exit, and them shits can only go so fast. So you just see three. Feels like three grown men trying, like, a lifetime.

[C]

Feels like 30 minutes trying to get.

[B]

Just zooming past us.

[C]

Yeah. No, that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, that. That was terrifying. But anyways. Yes, we. We are back. Joyce is here. Joyce, we consider you a friend, but we are also fans. So as your friend, we love you, but as a fan, we kind of hate you. It's been a long time. I know the has been going on. It's been like 2021 was the last full.

[A]

So over. Yes.

[B]

The last full product.

[A]

Last full 2021 EP iced tea with Kada 2022.

[C]

And you know, you've had. You've been. You've been like. We've heard you, though.

[A]

I've done features.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Thank you. Thankfully, I've done features. I've had a feature.

[B]

Ryan, you and Isaiah Falls have an incredible record.

[C]

Butterflies. That. That record is so good. Yeah.

[B]

I love Isaiah.

[A]

Yeah. I. To this day I'm like, damn, thanks for asking me to be on this record because, yeah, the amount of times I hear it on Tick Tock is insane.

[C]

That has. That had to have reached number one on TikTok or close to a top five, for sure.

[A]

I hope so. It was also like Urban ac, Like top two.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So.

[C]

Because you can't. You couldn't open Tick Tock and not hear that. Like, even still today, like, you open Tick Tock and you're gonna hear.

[A]

Yeah, I'm still tagged in all those things. So. Shout out to Isaiah Fall.

[B]

It's also a good song too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Outside of the 10 seconds that tick Tock takes from.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, it's a good song.

[A]

It is a great song.

[B]

Of course, Tick Tock can help launch it, but yes, it's a great.

[A]

Knows how to make that snippet.

[B]

Yep. He's really, really good at that.

[A]

That part. Yeah. Thankfully, I've done some features, but after I put out Ice T and as you know, Overgrown, which Overgrown took some time for me to make as well, I think I gained a lot of new fans from Overgrown, so they don't. Some of them don't really know who I was before that. But, like, I had some music before that. But yeah, after. After I made iced tea and I was doing festivals and things like that, I just. I was definitely ready to make my second album, but I didn't know what I wanted to talk about. I didn't know what I had to say. Just. Yeah. I was just figuring out what sound I was going for. So I took my time to figure that out. And I also. I did a lot of sessions with many different people. We. We have like over 100 songs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Towards the album in just these past few years. So thankfully, I've finally found a home for this second album.

[B]

Was there a specific event that made you go, this is what I want to talk about, or just taking the four years in between to, like, live for a little bit?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I definitely. So I was still going into the studio and working with people and I would just kind of freesty and journal a lot and really more so look inward a lot of my old, like, my Previous music is about heartbreak. And I realize, like, I'm inspired by men that I encounter and indulge in. And so at that time, too.

[C]

By men you encounter and indulge.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I realized that's up there with entanglement.

[C]

Yeah. That. That. That might be entanglement. Men that I indulge in. Okay. Yeah. Inspired by.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I haven't been in a committed relationship since prior to Overgrown, so indulge in.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And where was I going with that? Yeah. And I was single for the first time and not, like, sad about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was at Pete. Like, feels good to not have someone, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Bothering you or just not bothering you.

[C]

I'm sorry, but, like, indulging bothering you. Joyce. You don't want a boyfriend. You don't want to. You don't want a relationship. I think we. I think.

[A]

I think, you know, I just hadn't met anyone interesting yet, so I was feeling like, kind of. It was just blank.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But obviously there's so much to talk about outside of that shit. But as an R and B girly, and I think some. Now after working on this album, I can. I enjoy understanding what my space in romance and dating looks like through music. Like, that's. Where does that make sense?

[B]

Like, what do you mean by expound a little bit more? I think I know what you're saying.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, whenever I meet somebody, I love to go right into. Okay, I want to just start singing and writing about this. Or, like, if some shit's bothering me in that capacity, I love to understand it and explore it in music.

[B]

We do that in the pod and it ruined every relationship we've ever had.

[C]

Yeah, we tried it.

[B]

Ours just doesn't have melody, but it's the same thing.

[C]

It's the same thing. Didn't work out for us.

[B]

Has. Has that scared people away or, like, affected, like, early talking phases.

[A]

Like, what do you mean? Because they're business or what do you mean?

[B]

Not business per se, but taking situations that you're going through and putting it on a song, even if that song doesn't go out, like, just listening to it in the car with them. I could see some people loving that and then other people being like, whoa, I didn't sign up for this.

[A]

Yeah, there is a time where I was writing music and I was in a relationship. And again, I never talked to this. I never spoke to him about how I was feeling about our relationship.

[C]

You did it through the music, and

[A]

I did it through the music. And when I played him the music. It's all about me wanting to be single and kind of feeling miserable in the relationship.

[B]

Not miserable, because that's gotta be rough, though. Like, you excited to hear your girl's music. You're supportive, and you're like, she wants to single. This is single.

[A]

As it was playing in the car, I was like, joyce, this is like, what are you doing? This is.

[C]

It didn't hit you until you pressed play. Like, I probably shouldn't.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, you know what?

[C]

Okay, but what was that conversation like, though, with him?

[B]

Yeah. Did he bring it up? Like, hey, is this just music or

[C]

is this just me?

[B]

Like, are you living your rhyme? I can't remember.

[A]

It's so foggy. Probably because I don't want to remember. It was, you know, so awkward. But I remember him being him, like, not singing, but saying some of the lines like.

[C]

Like, why y' all in the mall? It goes back to a bar.

[A]

Like, yeah, I wrote it with Amp Clemens. I think I gotta be single. Something. Some line like that. And he said it, and I was just like, yeah.

[B]

Ant expressed that off mic to me as well. Perfect writing partner for that one.

[A]

Like, 20. I think 2018.

[B]

But wait, is this Blurred Lines?

[A]

No, this is. He was after. The Blurred Lines is about someone else

[B]

because you tore him. Him apart.

[A]

I know.

[B]

What's Blurred Line Guys doing right now? We need to check on him.

[A]

I ran into him at Family Style Fest.

[C]

Huh. Is he okay? Is he Life treating him well?

[A]

I mean, that's not my.

[C]

Is life treating him better than you did?

[B]

Not your concern. I would say he looked collateral damage.

[A]

Like, he looked good.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And he's the only person I've actually blocked. I'm not a blocker, but he's the only person I bought to this day. He's blocked.

[B]

I mean, the second half of Blurred Lines with a breakdown. Yeah, I can see that. Leading to a block, for sure.

[C]

Sometimes you gotta block people, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then, yeah.

[C]

For your. Just for your sanity.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, for me. I'm blocking you if, like, you won't leave me the alone.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[A]

Thankfully, I haven't encountered.

[B]

Well, the lines weren't blurred for him, clearly.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

No, he knew exactly what.

[B]

He knew what he was doing.

[C]

He knew what he was.

[B]

There's no line here. There's not a boundary in sight.

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

Well, you have two records out now. Yeah. Crack the code.

[C]

Yeah. Joyce, we gotta get into these titles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fast forward.

[B]

We're single now. We're cracking the code.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now we're Getting broken in.

[C]

Breaking in Break Me and Crack the Code. Joyce, who you talking to? Who are you talking to?

[A]

Okay, so we made Break Me in and Crack the Code last year at my first writing camp.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And the ride, it's pretty much. Thankfully, I've found, like, a couple of writers that are like, I have such a good relationship with, like, chemistry with. And I. I was just telling them, like, y', all, I'm having such a hard time dating and meeting people. And it's been some. Spend some years. I'm not celibate, but I'm like, yeah, I think there's a lot of us women who we haven't met men that we want to hook up with. And so with Break Me in, it's like my, I guess, manifestation song of, like, where the fuck are you? Come see me right now, because I can't take this any longer. And it's. It's a bit of a message to someone that I ended things with. Like, I haven't had the best time with anyone since him.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So it's also too kind of.

[B]

It's that. That IG story, that's for someone specific, but you view it, and he didn't view it yet, so he's viewed it,

[A]

but

[B]

he caught the subs on the record, Friend.

[A]

I don't know if he knows that It's. I don't. I don't know if you know it's that it's about him.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

He knows. We always know.

[A]

Maybe we always know, and then it's not that specific.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Lyrically, that would make him think it's him.

[C]

Okay, this is Break Me and you

[A]

told Mom Crack the Code is. I would say he. Crack the Code is inspired by. I would say three people.

[C]

All right, hold on. No, hold on, hold on.

[B]

I was still on Break Me in because I want to know if his girlfriend listens to the song. He's sitting there, quiet in the car.

[A]

This is too much information.

[C]

No, this is. Bro, this is. This is.

[B]

This is what we couldn't do at the BET Media room.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We actually have a real conversation.

[C]

This is great. So Break Me in is about one guy.

[A]

I would say it's about one. One guy.

[C]

One and a. Possible. Maybe.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And. Yeah.

[C]

And Crack the Code is about three guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, so is the. Do any of those guys know that that song may be about them, or do you always keep it, like, very, like.

[A]

Yeah, I don't tell. Yeah, I don't tell.

[C]

It's Crack the Code. Like, listen to the song. Like, you'll know it's about you.

[A]

Like, I'm not saying no, just because if there was one per out of the three. One of them. I would say that to him. If it.

[C]

And any of those matters.

[A]

It wouldn't. He wouldn't like that the song is about him. Because I. I don't want to be with. Like, we're not. I don't think we're supposed to be together.

[B]

Got it. Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So he would take it as hope.

[A]

It's more so, like, you got through to me. Like, you. You know that type of metaphor with him.

[C]

Any of those three guys, do you see yourself when only two you see yourself being with? Like. Well, I would.

[A]

One of them has a girlfriend.

[C]

One of them has a girlfriend.

[A]

And. No, I don't. I. And I also ended that one, too.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And then the other. No, not the other person. No.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It'd be more embarrassing if you thought it was about you when it wasn't.

[C]

No, listen, I. Listen, I. I would. I would be honored for a woman to write a song about me and, like, our relationship and our experience. So I'm not. It's not a negative.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You don't think there's songs out there about molecules.

[C]

I've never dated songs about marsh.

[B]

Songs about mosh would be a great.

[C]

I've never. I've never dated, like, singers or, like, songwriters. Like, seriously. So. No. I would be very surprised if it was a song about me.

[A]

Unless it's someone who. You don't know who does music and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is writing about singing about.

[C]

If I dated a girl and, I don't know, she does music. That would be crazy.

[B]

I would never say. I mean, like, a fan.

[A]

Like, someone who.

[C]

Who is, like, doesn't know me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I would be manifesting, like, I would be. If they listen. If there's anyone out there. Yeah. That's making music and it's about doing voodoo about it.

[B]

This is.

[C]

Please let me hear the record. I will be honored to hear that record. Like. But. Yeah.

[B]

No, there's one girl I know that. That casually makes music every now and then. There might be some subs. I'll have to go back.

[C]

That I've dated. Yeah.

[A]

The prompt.

[B]

I'm obviously not going to say it, but. Yeah, she. She does other things, but also makes music from time to time that he's dated.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know who Rory's talking about. I don't know if that's a bad thing.

[B]

You're not a fan, then.

[A]

She didn't have that.

[B]

I'M a fan.

[C]

I can't. I can't. Off the top. I'm trying to remember who Roy's talking about, and I just. I can't. No.

[B]

Is there songs about you?

[A]

Yeah. So I. This song, which I. I'm not gonna.

[B]

No, not your music. Someone else's.

[A]

Oh, wait, what do you mean, oh, that?

[B]

Has someone wrote a song about you, though? You don't strike me as someone that dates any artist.

[A]

Well, Overgrown is mostly about a rapper.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

but I. I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

I wouldn't.

[C]

There's definitely songs about you out there that an artist has written or.

[A]

Yeah, there's someone that I. I think maybe has written some songs about me. Like, I've heard his music and it seemed relatable to our experiences, but I never asked, and I don't know, but based on the lyrics, I was like, this could be about me.

[C]

Have you ever been in the studio? Like, have you ever been in discussion

[B]

with somebody you know?

[A]

Well, it was some real ass.

[B]

Yeah, it was too specific. Yeah.

[A]

Some of it. I'm like, I'm glad you learned, you know? I'm glad you're realizing this by yourself. What did you say? Sorry.

[C]

Have you ever been in a session with an artist and, like, y' all are writing, and you kind of felt like, is he flirting with me? Is he talking to me in this record? Like, have you never got that vibe? Like, where, like, y' all are, right? And he goes in to lay his verse, and you're like. Like, who's. You've never felt that.

[B]

Why is it. Why is he spelling out J, O, Y, Z, E?

[C]

No, not that. Not that. Like, straightforward, but, like, you've never felt something like.

[A]

Hmm.

[C]

Okay. Who. Who is that about? Like, I think that's almost normal, right? You have to. Cause you need chemistry, even if it's just, like, for the song. Not even, like, you know, when we leave, we're gonna date, but just, like, in this moment, we need to create this energy to, like, create the best record. You've never, like, felt that?

[A]

I don't think so. Like,

[C]

Never?

[A]

No, I don't.

[C]

So when Isaiah went in there, butterflies

[A]

like, you wasn't feeling like, Isaiah's not thinking about me.

[C]

How you know that?

[A]

I'm sorry. Maybe I don't think he's. No. And then I'm trying to think of the other features I've had or who I recently worked with. No, I. I don't.

[C]

Women always act so oblivious. No, because I just. He would never Be talking about.

[A]

No, no, let's. So, for example, we have. What's. I'm trying to think. Well, no, he also.

[B]

I say it's very professional. Listen, when we did the Most Oranges record with us, he was completely platonic with me. Yeah, I can.

[C]

You didn't.

[B]

I didn't feel. When we worked together the first time,

[C]

you know, like I said, feel nothing inappropriate.

[B]

Super professional. I felt really comfortable, I guess.

[A]

Isaiah, shoot. I don't know who you were, baby, you're perfect. Don't let no one tell you otherwise. I'm.

[C]

I mean, kidding. Yeah. Like, I'm. I can see Isaiah looking. I'm saying, looking at you through the booth, like, getting those balls off.

[B]

You don't know Isaiah's situation. Don't put this on.

[C]

I'm saying.

[B]

You don't know if he's in a relationship.

[C]

I missed what I said at the top. Just for the song, for the record, for the energy of the record. Like, I'm not talking about it, but, you know.

[B]

Yeah, there's definitely records in duets I've heard before. I'm like, they was probably.

[C]

Yeah, but that. You're supposed to create that energy and that feeling.

[A]

It's. It's. It's like acting.

[C]

Yeah, like that.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. I just got a verse in and yeah, maybe he was being creative and playing the role for me.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean, but artists, like, even girlfriend.

[A]

Does he.

[C]

No, and I respect that.

[A]

But you're saying. Still building it.

[C]

But you still have, like, you said, acting. You still have to have this. This image. Energy in the song. Let these lyrics happen.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[B]

But, like, Nicki was always good at that. Even when she. With the Kanye shit, me, you, and Am Shamanaj. Like, with the Big Sean Ash shit. Like, Big Sean, how big is your dick? Like, clearly, she's not trying to sleep with these people, but it makes the record better. I feel you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if you had a lot.

[C]

That song she got with Drake when she was like, I never fucked Wayne. I never fucked Drake. But if I did, I let them both eat my ass like a cupcake. And then Drake came in, like, by

[B]

the way, first great four bars to start a record. That record's incredible.

[C]

They get into Drake's verse, though.

[B]

How does he start? I can't remember.

[C]

He was like, she was sitting down, but I was staying at them titties, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was letting it be known. Like, yo, listen, like, we ain't do Nothing but Nikki. When you. Whenever you ready though. Yeah, like when, when and if you're ever ready.

[B]

Like I like that. But he said that on. On thank me later even I forgot what record it is when he said I if I want to marry Nicki Minaj or something. He's always flirted with her in records, which has always been crazy to me. Just cuz like she was dating.

[C]

Yeah, but it's.

[B]

Sorry at that time and not anything to Nikki or Drake. Safaree. I would feel uncomfortable like in those situations because you have to know it is acting per se. Like it's the music version of acting. As if your girl was taking a lead role and asked to kiss her.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But if now Safaree got to sit there and watch her kiss Nas in a video game, I'm not sure if I'm cool with it.

[C]

You're missing it though. Rory. She said she never these guys, but if she did. But she let them eat her ass like a cupcake.

[B]

She said great bar.

[C]

Drake started his verse with I never fuck Nikki cause she got a man. But when that's over, I'm the first in line. I'm just saying.

[B]

Which is fucked up. I'm sure SB was in that studio.

[C]

Yeah, but Nikki said what she said and Drake was like, oh, I bet. Like that's the energy. Like so that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you have to create that flirtatious vibe. Energy.

[A]

We'll do it for the next. Now I'm gonna keep that in mind. Yeah, for the next.

[C]

No, just as your muse. As you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So who would be the rapper that would be the best to do this style? Would you.

[C]

Do you date rappers?

[A]

Well, I. So Overgrown is about a rapper.

[C]

Okay. Since Overgrown.

[A]

No, I do not. I. I don't. I mean no one recommends. But I feel like the reputation is to.

[C]

No one recommends.

[B]

Like just if you go to Yelp, like the reviews on Rapp. As far as romantic partners. It's not very high.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Rarely does it work out. Also, what's a rap?

[A]

Never say never.

[B]

Like what. What is considered dating a rapper?

[A]

You could date someone that raps musician too. I know many.

[B]

What is it a hobby or is like are they a rapper?

[A]

They better. I mean I would like for them to.

[C]

That'd be their career. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

No shade.

[B]

How many streams qualify? Like what's okay. What qualifies doing this? No, no, I'm just.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, this thought just enter my. I. I have friends that are females and they they have date rappers. And sometimes I have to ask, like,

[C]

what do you mean?

[B]

What do you mean by rapper? Like, I feel you.

[A]

Like, okay, it's like, dj. Like, yeah, everyone.

[B]

Like, does he spend at the dime, or did he do Coachella?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where's the. Where's the barometer? Like, what do we do?

[B]

And there's nothing wrong with people that don't stream.

[C]

Well, the dime is great.

[B]

Like, I love the dime.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just saying, when. When you say something is your career? Like, what is the. The number that defines that? This is it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, he. You date someone that does rap.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's just call it that.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Not dating a rapper.

[C]

You're not dating a rapper. Right? A rapper and somebody that raps, two different things.

[B]

And I'm again, not judging, because this is the same in. In my world, too. I know girls that date. Podcasts. No, he just podcasts.

[C]

Right?

[B]

It can sound embarrassing.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I think on any level, that's embarrassing.

[B]

Like when he and I. When Kia and I were together, and I'd always feel bad for her when they'd ask, oh, so what's your man do? And she's like, we podcast. And then she'd have to, like, add sauce. It. Like, no, no. But, like, yeah, he, like, actually, like, I know when you hear that, you're thinking, Like, no, no. Like, no, no, no. Like, he didn't just buy a mic, like, GarageBand or Sam Ash. Like, no, no.

[C]

Really? Does this.

[B]

Like, people actually. Actually listen to him. Like, there's shows and, like, he does not. There's a tour. I used to feel so bad for her trying to explain.

[C]

Oh, my God, that is so hilarious. I never thought about it like that.

[B]

But, yeah, it's the same thing.

[A]

Talking to someone about this, about dating on podcasters. Well, no, just, like, it was a d. It had to do with dj. Like, yeah, dating a dj.

[B]

And it's a wide spectrum.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want to offend anything.

[C]

Joyce is crazy.

[A]

I'm.

[C]

I'm gonna get Joyce in trouble before

[A]

this interview, you know, because, like, everybody is DJing now, or it's. You know.

[C]

Yeah, I get it.

[A]

So the question was, like, well, what, you know.

[C]

Yeah, what kind of.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Where does he dj?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That's the safe way to ask. Oh, where. Where does he dj? Like, where can I hear him?

[B]

And it's kind of crazy because everyone. Where can I hear him sound close. And what's fucked up is. And this is. This is terrible, because we'll be has been podcasters eventually. Don't think I'm judging anyone when I go to LA, any event I go to, only Night Train is DJing. So I don't understand where the rest of y' all are getting gigs if everyone's DJing and only night Train is getting the gig.

[C]

I saw Night Train DJ three different spots, exactly one spot. I didn't go in. I just heard he was dj.

[B]

I was like, yo, and mind you, it makes me happy because he's a great dj. So anytime I see Night Train, I'm like, oh, great. The event's gonna be, the music's gonna be good. But if everyone's a DJ and all, only night trains being booked.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You have to ask, what's a dj, right? That's all.

[C]

Yeah.

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See website for details. Anyways, with that said, poor thing, your dad is super supportive. I love when you put him on your IG story.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

What did make me laugh was, I think, was it. It was Break Me in, right? The video set. He came. Came to the set.

[A]

Yeah, he came to the set.

[B]

And he's very invested in his motorcycle. Yes. He loves your music. He loves the lyrics. But you had to explain the lyrics to your father on Break Me In.

[A]

He doesn't love every single song.

[C]

He, like, break me in. As a father, I'd have been like.

[A]

I mean, the west side Gun interlude was just like, girl, what are you on?

[B]

Yeah, he looks like he likes Griseldo, though. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

But not for his daughter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not those specific.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, with Break Me In, I think I had his friends, his co workers and his friends, they heard the song he. Because my. My parents, again, they're so sweet and they. They help promote my music.

[C]

They said they post them on their Facebook page.

[A]

My mom does.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they're just texting YouTube videos and.

[C]

Yeah. To their group chat.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. And so the Break Me, they were just like, what is this Break Me in, you know, song about? You know. And my dad was like, I don't know. He was just like, I don't know. You gotta ask her. But I don't even know these people, but

[C]

you gotta ask her for somebody's. Joyce will never speak.

[A]

But, yeah, he called. He called me and he was like, what should I tell people about Break Me In?

[B]

It's a new pair of shoes. Sometimes you gotta break in some shoes.

[A]

Leave it to that. You know, it's art.

[C]

Yeah. It's hard.

[A]

Their interpretation.

[B]

Whatever they want broken in.

[A]

Yeah. You know, just. Just. Yeah, I. I can't. I. I remember I just kind of, like, told him, let. Let them leave it to their interpretation.

[C]

Yeah. I'm sure when you.

[A]

Because I'm like.

[C]

His group chat got to the chorus when you said, I hate it when you make me wait When I touch myself it's not the same. I need you to break me in don't make me wait Nobody. Nobody else got me. I'm sure.

[B]

New pair of shoes.

[C]

Yeah, I'm sure. They were like, oh, my. She's talking. He's talking about the shoes, the heels.

[A]

You want to keep going.

[C]

Come unravel me, my baby I'm yours for the taking Tension's Almost suffocating.

[A]

It's hot.

[C]

Take your hands. Put them right there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Put your hands around my neck.

[A]

My neck.

[C]

Don't let me catch my breath.

[A]

My breath.

[C]

Heart beating out my chest. Hips locked. What's next?

[B]

Oh, you trying to trap them.

[C]

Yeah, the hips locked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know.

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

I don't mind it.

[C]

I mean, well, look.

[A]

You don't mind it.

[B]

I have a child. Oh, yeah, you've been locked.

[C]

You've had hips locked.

[B]

It worked on me.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

It worked.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

My heart was beating out of my chest.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So with this two pack, does this mean we are getting a full project?

[A]

Yes, you're getting an album.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

What's a full. How many songs are a full track for Rory?

[B]

10 plus.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So that sounds like 11.

[A]

No, 12. No, 10.

[B]

But I don't think things should go past.

[A]

I'm just not gonna say 10 to

[B]

14 is a sweet spot.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

I don't think past 14.

[A]

15 plus is a lot.

[B]

15 is a lot. I think 14 to me is the cutoff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you get past there, just do the deluxe thing.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Three or four records later.

[A]

Yeah, we're getting a full. You're getting a soft second album. And I felt like I did a

[C]

little

[A]

test with my friends and also, like, people not in the industry. And yeah, I sent them Break Me In, Crack the Code, and two other songs. And I was just wanting their opinion on what should I come back in the scene with. And everyone majority people said break me in. And then everyone's like, favorite has been Crack the Code. So that was kind of the reasoning for this, and I feel like it makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Break in seemed to catch a lot of people's attention. And then Crack the code. I feel like people are really loving just that Feel good, soulful.

[C]

It's definitely a different vibe.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's a good balance. How many more records do you think you want to put out before the full project?

[A]

I would say maybe one or two.

[C]

Okay. All right, good.

[B]

So that means we are getting a full project soon. Yeah, yeah. Like five or six. Here's the whole album.

[A]

People are releasing five or six before they release the album.

[C]

Well, they trying.

[B]

People put out singles.

[C]

What's like working.

[B]

They try to get one out of five and go from there.

[A]

Something that I. I was talking to someone about, and I. I didn't even realize that's a thing where people are. They're putting out songs just. Yeah. To see what's hitting and what works and what people Want to hear. And then that's how they figure out what to release.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm not mad at that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, I process, though. Like, sometimes it's like you need to kind of feel what's going on, what they're gravitating towards. And then it's like, okay, okay, we'll go with this. This seems to get the most traction and people are, you know, feeling this one. But I'm also on the side. I tell her real time. I. I like when artists just, you know, put the music out.

[A]

That's what I drop the album.

[C]

The days of, like, the traditional rollout, you need a single. You need this. You need. Yeah, I get it. But I don't know if we're there anymore.

[A]

I feel you.

[C]

Because if people are. People like the music, they're gonna like the music. I don't care what. Sometimes I don't even know what the single was.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Two of my favorite albums I'm listening to right now. K1.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

UK.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I don't know what her lead single was.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then this other girl, Remy, left on Red, her project. I don't remember what her lead single was.

[A]

You just know the album, the project is Fire.

[C]

I'm listening to these shits all day. Like, so, you know, I mean, I get how when you're on a label and in that system, there is a way to do that. You have to do things. But I kind of don't think that that even really matters.

[B]

I mean, it's. It's rare and I mean, in a good way that the traditional single doesn't exist. The way, like, rarely do you have a folded by Kehlani these days.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a traditional single. Let's go work that for six months.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then put the project right.

[B]

It's exactly what you did. That made sense because that was a very much a traditional single that needed to be worked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not every record needs a. Depending on what you think is good or bad is insignificant to that. What's a single that needs to be worked? And what's something that just needs to be put out and post? You can do your promo with a full project.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So I'm with you. Just certain records just need to go out and then break me in as a. Let people decide what the single is and then work that after the full project. Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I feel like I've been gone for

[B]

so long that you needed to.

[A]

That I needed to. Or not even test. I feel like I got to reintroduce Myself, I gotta work the algorithm and. And, yeah, just also, I think, establish, like, lyrically and sonically what I'm going for this time around. You know what I mean? I felt like I have to. I had to lead into that a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm. I'm kind of similar. I've never really. I mean, I did it a little bit for this album just because I was taking so long and people were just like, where the fuck are you? So I. I feel like doing the snippets was just letting them know I have some shit in the vault. Like, I'm not, you know, fucking with y', all, but I personally, I love to just put it out and it to be a surprise and people to have fresh, you know, ears with the music as opposed to snippeting so many things. Yeah, but like you said, I. Who knows what works anymore?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

As long as the project.

[A]

As long as it's good. As long as it's good.

[C]

Yeah, as long as the project's good.

[B]

The fans don't even know it works. Like, no one knows what works anymore,

[A]

but they have a lot. It's interesting. I feel like now more than ever, fans and just people online, they have so much to say about what you should be doing.

[C]

They have, but they.

[B]

But they also don't even know what they like. That's what makes it so insane.

[A]

Like, I was just like, some people will be like, I know one person was like, joyce needs to market her music better. Or like, if I were to do this

[C]

buzzwords, like, was this somebody that works in marketing, that has marketed things before? Because then that's different. Yeah, but if it's somebody who's just a casual fan, like, she needs to mark. It's like, yeah, a lot.

[A]

I feel like a lot of fans are now, you know, they. They. They have to feel like they have. Well, everybody has, and that's fine. But I'm just. I'm like, wow. People are saying, if I was this person's PR or if I were this, this is what I would do. I'm like, wow.

[C]

Was there any pressure, like, coming off of the Butterflies record and the attraction that that has. Was there any pressure where you felt like, okay, now's the time where I probably need to put something out and jump behind this energy?

[A]

I mean, I. That's the smartest move for sure. When was that? Because I didn't play it. My boot break being out January, that was like 2024.

[B]

That was five.

[A]

It was five.

[B]

Yeah. It was definitely still 2024.

[A]

Yeah. It's a smart move to do that, but I didn't release until January of this year.

[B]

But I mean, it. That, like, folded. Like, it worked on Tick Tock. That record needed to be worked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where if you were immediately focusing Right. On solo stuff, it could take away from working that record. Because that. That did go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If it was kind of one of those just quick features or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, that. That definitely needed the year to live.

[A]

Yeah. And thankfully, I mean, depending on what

[B]

the person on Twitter that thinks your

[C]

marketing should be checking.

[B]

I'm speaking from my perspective, not, you know, from law, which is.

[A]

No, she's sweet, though. We tweet. We. We were talking back and forth.

[C]

Oh, okay. You had a little dialogue.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

All right. I respect.

[B]

Yeah. We usually get comments like, you should have J. Cole in the pod. Like, damn, I never thought of that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn, what a good idea. Yeah. What have we been doing?

[C]

What are we thinking? What are we even doing up here? Yeah.

[B]

Do you have a title for it yet?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Do you want to reveal it here on Netflix?

[C]

Is it Break Me In?

[B]

You don't have to.

[A]

You can wait. I think we should. I think we can. We can wait.

[B]

Check with your marketing manager, girl.

[C]

Do it now.

[B]

It's on Netflix.

[C]

Let's check in with her first.

[A]

Yeah, but I. I would just say it's. It's like. Yeah, my first album was Overgrown. This title is again, I like.

[C]

It's.

[A]

The album is a lot about me. So the title is inspired by that narrative, if that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Why do lesbians make sense?

[B]

I think maybe music. What about Put it in Rice?

[A]

Wait, where are we?

[C]

Answer his first, but then answer mine. Answer his first, but then you have to answer my.

[A]

Okay. What did you say? Something about rice.

[B]

I was giving a second album title.

[A]

Oh, and put.

[B]

Put Them in Rice.

[A]

Put them in Rice.

[B]

Because, you know, like, you put your phone in rice when it doesn't work, when it's dry, put it in rice when it's. And butcher la. Yo. I should be the marketing manager. Put them in rice cakes. Rice cakes.

[A]

People said to call my listeners rice cakes.

[C]

Wait, okay.

[B]

I think there's some type of racial undertone in that that I would not

[C]

go, well, don't think in 2026. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know some people for that. Well, it's because of my last name, too.

[B]

No, no, I understand that.

[C]

No, we get it, Joyce. I just don't know if the people will take to that, so.

[A]

Right. Yeah.

[B]

What did you ask Before I interrupted it with the worst album title of

[C]

all time, I was asking her.

[A]

And rice can takes, you know, I got some.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What's the Drake line? Just add more.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

You were looking.

[C]

I had a question for Joyce, so I'm gonna go to that question. What is it with the women? Lesbian women and the. No.

[B]

What's up with lesbian?

[A]

I wish I had an.

[B]

Put in rice. Doesn't look so bad anymore, does it?

[C]

No, because, look, I'm thinking about it, right? Kehlani, amazing album. Amazing single.

[B]

I'm just gonna name lesbians.

[C]

No, just saying she's, you know, she's. She's a lesbian and she's making. You know, she's doing her thing right now. Rb.

[B]

Jozzy, Rosie o'.

[A]

Donnell.

[C]

Great album.

[A]

She love Jozzy. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Jozzy is the best.

[C]

K1 from the UK. Great project right now. Remy Lesbian. Great project.

[B]

Like Sasha Keeble.

[C]

Sasha Keeble. Great. Like, this seems to be a thing. Like, is it because women can speak to women in a way that men can't. Is it the energy? Like, what. There is a thing. I'm not crazy, right? But every time I look up at the R and B that I'm listening to, and I like. I'm like, okay, there's a beautiful girl, but she's a lesbian. What is that? What is the thing with that right now?

[A]

I wish I could tell you. Unfortunately, I'm not lesbian.

[C]

No, but it's a thing, though. It's like, it's. I don't know what it is, but

[A]

I'm the other side.

[C]

There has to be. There has to be something there where it's just women who, like women are attracted to women and making music about women, where it's just incredible music. Like, there has to be something there, because I'm looking around every time I look up at an R and B artist that I like, and I'm like, this album is crazy.

[A]

No, you.

[C]

She likes women. She dates women.

[A]

Really.

[C]

I love women. So, I mean, I get it, but it's just. Like, what is happening in the RB right now?

[A]

I don't know. I have no idea. And I've been around these women, and I. They could turn. I. They could get me, too. It's something. It's just.

[C]

See, look, they almost got Joyce. So I'm right.

[A]

Might as well not getting anything else.

[C]

Is something happening? I'm just saying, let's pay attention.

[A]

I mean, it's.

[C]

To the women in R and B right now. There.

[B]

I don't Bring Jazzy around my girls.

[A]

Jazzy is.

[C]

There's something happening with R and B women.

[B]

Allegedly. I love it.

[A]

It's exciting, and I mean, well.

[B]

Yeah, well, to your point, women understand women better. I feel like men, R and B went from just begging to get you back to then more of, like, the colder dog. Like, yo, you hoe. I don't care. There's more depth, I think, with some of the lesbian women in their, hey, I'm trying to get you back, and I'm still adult. Jozzy is great at taking that to the next level of, hey, I fucked up. But here's some women's psychology mixed involved that we could just never physically come up with.

[A]

And there's this. It's just like, this confidence, this swag that some of these. Yeah. Women have too, where it's. It's mesmerizing.

[B]

Like, I went to Jazzy's release party in New York, and I was like, oh, Jazzy, bring him out. I'm definitely like, outside of that, being my friend and want to support. I'm like, yeah, she bring him out. It was just. It was pointless. They was in there not interested in me. Yeah, they was. They was all there for Jassy.

[C]

Every time K1 posts something on Instagram and it's like. Like a snippet of one of her songs, you go to the comments, and it's women in the comments. Like, I'm not gay, but I can be.

[A]

I know. I know someone very close to me who would love K1 to just.

[C]

This is what I'm saying. So it's like in the K1. Love you. The album is incredible.

[A]

Love K1.

[C]

All pride aside, I think that. I think that the title is incredible.

[B]

Like, you'd put your pride aside.

[C]

I don't know what you mean by

[B]

that, but it's your interpretation. It's art. Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. Whatever you take from it, I'm gonna stay away from that. But, like, I'm looking in the comments, and I'm just like, okay, there's something going on with R B women right now that's just like, we have. What are we gonna. When are we gonna wait to have the conversation?

[B]

Kehlani, I feel like, is the number one straight girl. I'd go to the other side. Anytime I talk to a straight girl, they always say, Kehlani would be, like, the straightest of straight, not, like, fake bi girls. Like, I'm drunk. Let me kiss you. Like I'm saying straight.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Kehlani is. Is the one that they always pick.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Victoria Monet is not lesbian.

[C]

But Victoria Monet's gay.

[A]

She's bi.

[B]

I believe she's talked about it.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, she's talked about it.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Post divorce, there was rumors.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

All right.

[C]

But we'll leave that over there. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's public knowledge.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

She openly identifies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, her music has been. It's celebrate.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Not for sure.

[A]

And Victoria is also incredible. Incredible, incredible.

[C]

Like this. So I'm not. Listen, I'm not crazy. I'm. I'm just listening to music, and I'm. Every time I look up, I'm like, okay, there's something going on. There's something happening. And I'll just. We'll come back to this conversation a year from now. Just see what.

[A]

Well, you got to get K1 on here.

[C]

I would love to sit down and talk. I love Sasha Kiwu. Would love to sit down and talk and kick it with both of those women. I love their albums, love their projects.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

K1's album is really, really dope. Like, she's incredible.

[A]

She's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nuts. Yeah.

[C]

Love her music.

[B]

Are we getting D Mile and Kay Trinada on the second project?

[A]

We'll find out when you listen to it. Right? I think that's a good.

[C]

We got to check in with a marketer. President of marketing.

[B]

What market? Be like, nah, I don't have D Mile on this one. What's the last thing he even did?

[C]

Yeah, kind of went there already. Like, we should do something else this time around.

[B]

K. Trinada. Is he even a dj, Right?

[C]

Does he have the accent of K. Trinada is a dj Is crazy.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. Well, Joyce, thank you so much for stopping by. When the project comes out, please stop by again. We are very excited to hear it.

[C]

Yes. When you move to New York, you can come by whenever you want.

[A]

Or Puerto Rico.

[B]

That too.

[C]

Would love to. Love to have you in Puerto Rico with us. That would be like, you know, we start our own community down here. We bring more people to the island

[B]

with, like, a bunch of lesbian songwriters.

[C]

Like, when is that camp?

[A]

When is the third album?

[C]

When is the lesbian songwriting camp?

[B]

There we go.

[C]

I just want to go Put it in rice camp. Put it in Rice.

[B]

Songs for Mall.

[C]

Songs about mall.

[A]

What was it? It. Songs for Ma. Songs about Mall.

[C]

I don't know if there are any songs out there, but if there are, please send them to me so I can hear it. I would love to hear how I inspired any of these artists.

[B]

So, Peach, that AI program that writes songs for you. Yeah, Suno.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We gotta write one for Ma.

[C]

Please don't do that. But, Joyce, do let us know if you are, if and when you are back in the city, please. We would love to see you again.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And we're looking forward to the album whenever you choose to draw, hopefully this year. Yes, for sure.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

All right, cool. So we'll be waiting to hear that. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's the beautiful, talented Joyce Rice. Thank you.

[B]

No worry about this is an iHeart podcast.

[A]

Guaranteed Human.