Episode 527 | Wet Dreamz and Nightmares

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 527 | Wet Dreamz and Nightmares

Release Date: August 4, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & MAL (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)

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Episode Overview

In this energetic episode, Rory, Mal, and Damaris gather on a rainy Monday to reflect on dreams, bond over shared experiences, and dive into music hot takes, all centered around recent concerts and new releases. With ample wisecracks, signature tangents, and brutally honest hip-hop commentary, the trio spends much of the episode breaking down their time at J. Cole’s Barclays shows, debating artist “signature songs,” dissecting the landscape of modern rap, and hilariously roasting each other. They conclude with thoughts on recent documentaries and some real talk about music industry challenges and growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Kicking Off with Peace, Prosperity, and Jokes

• The trio jokingly tries to center the episode on “peace and prosperity,” with Mal and Damaris poking fun at Rory’s sarcasm.

• Playful banter about the nature of their relationships: the healthy line between on-air beef and off-air friendships, and the way the audience interprets their dynamics.

  “No, people just have never seen a healthy relationship between two people.” – C (04:30)

• Jokes about women’s supposed "fallback plans" and playful back-and-forth about selling feet pics or merch as a stress reliever.

  “In your DMs right now, that'll pay 10k for that mouth right now.” – A (07:31)

Fetishes & Sniff Tests

• The crew pokes fun at modern openness about kinks, specifically the popularity of foot fetishes.
• Mal admits to sniffing his own couch after a date left, sparking a debate about scents, pheromones, and who would be most “marketable” in the DMs.
• Hilarious proposal of a game: blindfolding Damaris and having her identify the guys’ underwear by scent for money.

  "We don't kink shame." – C (08:53)

Recapping the J. Cole Barclays Shows

Maul’s First Full Cole Show (17:37)

• Mal attended his first full J. Cole show with Rory, and they praise Cole’s ability to perform without guests or wardrobe changes, noting the unique, low-key fame Cole maintains.

  “He could have left there, got on his city bike, and rode home... I think it's like an interesting, interesting life that he's created for himself.” – C (17:51)

Fan Base Analysis (24:53)

• Mal and Damaris share observations about J. Cole’s audience:
  • Extremely “normal” fans—orderly, non-confrontational, “everyone has something to lose.”
  • Many couples, a lot of women fans for a lyrical rapper.
  • Compared to other shows (e.g. Travis Scott, Jay-Z), Cole’s let-outs are “calm, efficient, and apologetic.”
  • Catcalls at Cole’s shows are “like marriage proposals,” not aggressive.

Signature Songs & “Wet Dreamz” Debate (46:07)

• Intense discussion about Cole’s real “biggest”/signature record.
  • Mal argues “Wet Dreamz” is J. Cole’s signature, a song fans insist he performs—comparing it to other iconic tracks like “Dreams & Nightmares” for Meek Mill and “Purple Rain” for Prince.
  • Damaris argues “No Role Models” is bigger by numbers; Mal insists on in-person impact.

  “Wet Dreams is J. Cole's Purple Rain. Prince couldn't go nowhere without, like, you—you're not leaving here till you do Purple Rain.” – C (48:15)

Post-Concert Hangouts

• The group chronicles their afterparties, venue escapades, and “Streamville” (Damaris streaming from the show) with plenty of inside jokes.
• Damaris describes feeling “the most comfortable ever” on the show riser despite tight security—crediting Dreamville’s positive vibe and inclusivity.

Recent Hip-Hop Releases & Debates

Meek Mill – “Nightmares to Dreams” (63:48)

• The team questions Meek's decision to re-make/remix his own classic.
  • Mal feels the iconic “Dreams & Nightmares” may be a creative curse for Meek, as he keeps chasing its magic.

  “Dreams and Nightmares is the best and the worst thing to happen to Meek Mill.” – C (63:48)

  • Rory speculates on ownership motives or market-testing the new version now that Meek's independent.
  • Damaris says at least people are talking about Meek again, but doubts the staying power of the new record vs. the original.

Wale – “Overthink” (71:15)

• The crew is glad Wale is back, debating the enduring power—and possible creative crutch—of his R&B/rap hook formula.
  • Mal wants Wale to challenge himself artistically and move beyond R&B hooks, even as Damaris and Rory note this formula works and is now bringing him renewed attention.
  • Wale’s aging in hip-hop is praised; the team likes that modern artists are more open about aging, introspection, and family.

Gender, Relationships, and Trapping Conversations

• The Cardi B record sparks a tangent on the concept of “trapping” someone with a child, and the motivations (financial, emotional) behind it.
  • The hosts banter about agency, choice, and the power dynamic (59:01+), with competitive pushback from Damaris about who “holds the power” in such situations.

  “A woman can't be trapped if she don't want to be trapped.” – C (60:50)

Tangents, Documentaries, and Life Chatter

• Jason Lee’s ASAP Rocky Interview Trailer: The crew jokes about clips suggesting a hypothetical Drake vs. Rocky boxing match and how Jason Lee frames provocative questions (82:09).
• Doc & True Crime Talk: They discuss recent Netflix docs (“Obsession,” “Idaho Murders,” etc.), with mixed feelings about the value—and trauma—of consuming true crime.
  • Mal and Damaris single out documentaries that haunt them with “real life” horror, preferring more constructive or redemptive stories.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On J. Cole’s Accessibility:
  “J. Cole has created a very interesting and unique, I guess, aesthetic and Persona for himself to be able to sell out Barclays. And then from the show, he could have jumped on a Citi bike and rode his bike home, and nobody would have bothered him.” – C (17:51)

• Signature Song Argument:
  “Wet Dreams is J. Cole's Purple Rain. Prince couldn't go nowhere without, like, you're not leaving here till you do Purple Rain.” – C (48:15)

• About Meek Mill’s Dilemma:
  “Dreams and Nightmares is the best and the worst thing to happen to Meek Mill. It's his biggest... and the bar he's been trying to get over for so long.” – C (63:48)

• Concert Vibes:
  “Everybody in the building had something to lose. Everybody has something to do tomorrow... very non problematic, non-confrontational... At a Cole show, she comes back, she apologizes.” – C (27:09)

• None of This Is for Me:
  “She didn’t record that [song] thinking, damn I hope mall fcks with this.”* – C (56:32)

• On Relationship Power:
  “A woman can't be trapped if she don't want to be trapped.” – C (60:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:03] – Show theme: “Dreamers,” healthy relationships, playful sarcasm
• [08:09] – Discussion on fetishes, modern standards, and scent-game jokes
• [17:37] – Maul’s review: First J. Cole full solo show, audience observations
• [24:53] – J. Cole audience analysis, normalcy, demographics
• [46:07] – Big debate: Cole’s “Wet Dreamz” as signature song
• [56:32] – Cardi B’s new track, “trapping,” and gender/relationship tangents
• [63:48] – Meek Mill "Nightmares to Dreams" (is it chasing his own past?)
• [71:15] – New Wale music, aging in hip-hop, creative “cheat codes”
• [82:09] – Jason Lee/ASAP Rocky/Drake fight joke
• [93:13] – TV recommendations: “Obsession” (Peacock), crime docs, Chloe Bailey film
• [97:15] – Netflix docs: “Idaho Murders,” true crime fatigue, morality of consumption
• [103:19] – Reflections: memorable rapper personalities, recent guest Bleak

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Style and Tone

The episode is full of the hosts’ signature blend of sharp, unfiltered opinions, banter, self-deprecation, and affectionate ribbing. Listeners will find plenty of off-the-cuff humor, deep hip-hop knowledge, and references that flow naturally between contemporary music, nostalgia, life observations, and inside jokes.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is an ideal snapshot of New Rory & MAL at their best: chaotic, insightful, and always entertaining. They move seamlessly from laughter to real cultural critique, from petty squabbles to meaningful takes on what it means to age in hip-hop, and from industry insider analysis to unfiltered life advice. Whether you’re a rap aficionado, a Cole fan, or just love good chemistry and candid talk, this is a must-listen.

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Transcript

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No warrior.

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Now.

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Look at all of us, man. It's a couple of dreamers, man.

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Here you go.

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What? We all got something in common. I thought we could bond on today's episode. Nice little rainy Monday. Thought we could kick back and, you know, appreciate all the things we have in common.

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I like that. I'm not mad at that.

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Yeah, Nice little peaceful day.

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Yeah.

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Everyone fulfilled their dreams over the weekend.

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Peaceful day. You know, I'm all for peace.

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Yeah.

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Peace, prosperity.

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Oh, I know what type episode is going to be.

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What you mean about peace lost.

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I talking about peace, prosperity. Rory come in with sarcastic jokes.

[B]

You see the shirt? What's sarcastic?

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Whenever I came in and not been about peace and prosperity. I've never promoted, like, violence. If you.

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If you think about it, I promoted. If you think about it, like, when is he not.

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I've never promoted, like, I promoted violence and harm. No platform.

[B]

No. You've never done that.

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Yeah.

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So peace and prosperity.

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Yeah, just some. So sometimes war of words. Sometimes your wicked tongue. Hey, yo. I mean, you know, is your sword sometimes. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to agree on everything, which is just healthy. We don't need to agree on everything. It's good with me and Damaris beef. So people think we really don't like each other? Like.

[A]

Yeah, they never think that. They think that. That whether we're beefing or getting along, they think we. It don't matter. When we beefing, it's a lovers quarrel. When we just getting along, we flirting. Like, they think we don't like each other.

[C]

Well, in their defense, there's no in between.

[B]

Yeah, no, in their defense, that is usually how. Like a sneaky link. That's how the relationship is either always very heated or you're flirting.

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No.

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So I can see where they come to that conclusion.

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No, people just have never seen a healthy relationship between two people.

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You would consider what you guys have as healthy.

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I think me and Damaris have a healthy relationship.

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I do, too.

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You think we have a toxic relationship?

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Peace and prosperity, man.

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That's what me and Damaris don't have. A toxic relationship.

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It's not toxic.

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Yeah, like the.

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No, I don't think you guys do.

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But you know what we do have? We're back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talks.

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I was gonna say voicemail and data.

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Voicemails is funny. Yeah. Let's just wrap this up early.

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Yeah. If the pods on peace and prosperity, then let's just get to voicemails and

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let's get peace and prosperity, man. Let's do something different for the algorithm.

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The algorithm don't want to hear that.

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Don't be prospering for real.

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I'm just saying. Well, let's. Let's promote it, though. Like, since the algorithm likes to promote, you know, negativity and.

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And, you know, that's the only way it operates.

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Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. We have to fight the algorithm. We can't ever fight the power. See, y' all too young. I don't remember.

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Activity is the gas.

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The Public Enemy said fight the power. They was talking about fighting the algorithm. It's the same thing.

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You mean the whites?

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, the whites.

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The power and the algorithm is the same thing.

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If we fight the algorithm, I won't have a job for long. Actually, none of us will, so we should probably.

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You'll always have a job.

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You probably lean into the algorithm.

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You, as a woman, you'll always have a job.

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Ma. Always love Ma want to pimp me out so bad. He want to pimp me out.

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Businesses always open for a woman.

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Okay.

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Business is a booming.

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You always. I can't just fall back on my coochie. What if I lose it?

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Lose your co. Where would you like.

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What if I misplace it? Then. Then what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna need a job.

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Well, you could never misplace the coochie. Well, if you misplaced the coochie, then you would have to use other things in the stock market. You get what I'm saying? That's all. Just put other things in the stock market. That's all.

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That does have to have, like, a good subconscious stress reliever that you guys know that you could always just do that.

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Could always do that.

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Not to say you would want to do it or there's anything wrong.

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You could always do it, too.

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Not really.

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Y' all would get. If y' all would garner a higher price than me, y' all wouldn't be worth it. But y' all would garner a higher price than me. If y' all wanted to sell y', allselves, y' all could. Y' all just wouldn't. No, I need y' all to look at me the same way.

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No, but I'm just saying. No, no, no. We don't want you to, and we hope that you never have to. But in the event that it came down to that, you should never have a hungry night. You should never go one night without

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eating, Baby D. Shelter always eat.

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Yeah, you will never go without shelter.

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No, y' all should. If I need to sleep on one of y' all couch or, you know, get some food out y' all fridge, I should be good. I shouldn't have to go sell twat. I should be.

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We were talking about selling merch. What are you talking about? What merch?

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Yeah, baby D. We talk about selling. Yeah, come on now. Baby D. We not talk. We would never. I would never tell you to hit the blade, baby. I would never tell you to hit the blade.

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Hit the blade. You so old.

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I would never tell you to do that.

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So old.

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And I appreciate the ego boost to think that Mo and I would get more money for. For selling dick, but you would definitely. You would outsell.

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I never said anything about selling dick. Selling whole.

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Whole. I didn't even cross my mind that's really what you were referring to.

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Yeah, selling whole stuff.

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I went from feeling honored like an ego boost, to now kind of want to fight you.

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It's a. In your DMs right now. That'll pay 10k for that mouth right now.

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I can promise you there's nobody in my DMs.

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I'm never going to find out that

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ever even attempt to DM me some shit like that.

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Hidden DM, them hidden requests for show nothing. It's 10k for the mouse.

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It's a bunch of demos.

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Or you got new teeth 12k.

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It's a bunch of demos in there. That's.

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I gotta pay them off.

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Yeah, baby. Do you for sure got a name ready to suck toes, though.

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Fresh right now.

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For sure, baby. How much you. How much you got? Let's just say hypothetically, how much you got sitting in the stash if you wanted to allow men to like, suck your toes and rub your feet and all of those things.

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You talking about like people that proposition me?

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Yeah, that's. That. That's actually like, it's sitting in. It's sitting in the zell waiting if you want it. Like, how much you think you got

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a lot of people pending, like 50k.

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A lot of people.

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We talk like 50k, right?

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But do you, like. I don't know if it's just because I've gotten older that in, like, I now pay attention more, or is that fetish gotten more widespread? Because just like something that I used to just think was just for freaky, like now just regular Hood in the street will walk.

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We talked about this.

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And be like, you have nice feet. That is.

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Yeah, but we talked about this already.

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Is it wise? Is it being more widespread?

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Yeah, people used to bury their fetishes. Now it's let your.

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You the man. You say that every week on here. We don't fetish shame.

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I said we don't kink shame.

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We don't kink shame. Okay, we don't kink shame.

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I don't shame. But, like, I just didn't know it was so.

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I thought it was 10 years ago.

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You had radio personalities saying, let me drink your bath water on, like, Government Airways. Anything's up for grabs.

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That was always a weird fetish.

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Like, you have radio personalities sniffing chairs of women when they got up, like, on I Heart. So, I mean, anything's. Yeah, I don't think a guy is scared to do my girl.

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Let me see if it seats too.

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Sniffing seats.

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That's crazy.

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Okay, can I. Is this a safe space?

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No, but go ahead.

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Okay.

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You said peace and prosperity. So what were you gonna say?

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I've sniffed. I've sniffed the seat. But in my house, like, I've sniffed my couch after a girl got up to go use the bathroom.

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Like, but for good reason. She stinks.

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I just wanted to. I needed to find out how long

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ago was this mall?

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This is a few years ago, but I'm just saying I needed to know

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what was she wearing?

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She had on, like, some.

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I would hope, a skirt. Yeah, he's sniffing the cow.

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If you sniffing. And she had denim on.

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No, no, no. She had.

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She had, like, you up.

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No, no, she had like, some. Like some. Some. Some alo pants. Like, some workout pants tights.

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So you sniff the seat?

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Yeah, I sniffed the cushion on the couch for sure.

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Good or bad? Is it smell that potent that it'll just stay in. Was it a leather couch?

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No, it was cloth leather. Who has leather couches?

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Yo, my parents used to have leather couches.

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You still got a leather couch on

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a leather couch in the summertime, you gotta peel yourself off that shit like a sticker. Oh, my God.

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Leather couches is made for, like, studios and, like, where it's gonna be a lot of asses. A lot of asses on them seats.

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Well, I grew up in the early 2000s. It was peak leather couch.

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Yeah, but that was the early 2000

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leather chairs, like, leather was in. In 2004.

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Yeah, but that's 20, 23 years ago. We don't need that no more. But yeah, I've sniffed I've sniffed my own couch.

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You think it matter who couch you sniffing? Sniffing?

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It does.

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After somebody sit up is sick. Regardless, it don't matter if you're not my couch.

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I could sniff whatever I want in my crib.

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But like a cold sniffer like you had, she left a little trail of scent.

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Baby, did you sniff my chair before I did?

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Sniff my chair?

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Yeah. You wanted to smell my butt.

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I did not want what you wanted to smell. I just wanted to make sure there was nothing to smell.

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What it smell like?

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Nothing there really.

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Fire say nothing but Chanel and dove over here, baby.

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Oh, shit.

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That's all it is.

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Mall smells like water.

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Hot piece of onions.

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Onions. Peach. You got me up, yo.

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But I think we were.

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We were doing that for fun. Like, I don't. We weren't. I wasn't really trying to sniff Mal's ass. We were, like, being.

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All right, I believe, since we here.

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Let's all go in the bathroom. Let's all go in the bathroom, take our underwear off and sniff.

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What the.

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Let's go back to negativity. I don't like this. This piece of prosperity.

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Let's just see. Let's just. Let's. Let's see. No, you sniff me. Yeah, we gonna blindfold you. We're gonna blindfold you, baby D. And then we put all of our boxes in a box, and you pick them up with a tongue. And then. And then you gotta sniff. And then depending on. Depending on. Depending on if you guess whose boxes is whose, you win a thousand dollars, I promise.

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A thousand dollars? He said a thousand dollars?

[B]

Yo, your Twitch subscribers would go up crazy if you did that.

[A]

He said a thousand dollars? Yeah.

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I'll give you a thousand dollars if you be like, yo, that's Rory. If you get it. If you get all the way. That's Rory, that's Maul, that's Peach.

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You know what's so crazy is I. I wouldn't be able to differentiate between all of y', all, but I'd rather. Quite literally, I would rather die.

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How would you. How would you be able to differentiate?

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Because I would be.

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How?

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Because I would be. You just. You will be. You will be able to. Like, if me, Mitch, and Major all put our draws in a box, even though you've never slept with any of us. You would be able to.

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To pay me $1,000 for that. I'd pay y' all $1,000 for that.

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We don't kink shame, but people have a smell. You would. You wouldn't be able to tell people have a.

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That's different, though. Down there is different. If I take my shirt off, then you would probably be, oh, that's small underwear. You don't know what I smell like down there. You don't know.

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Everybody has a pheromone.

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Everybody has a s. You don't know my pheromones, though.

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Okay.

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You don't know my. You don't know my moans, baby. D, maybe. D. You don't know how I moan. You don't know that. You don't know that. You wouldn't be able to be like, yo, that's small. You would. I think you would get it wrong.

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Okay, but the vegan, I think, would have a particular smell.

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What would it smell like?

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I don't know. I've never sniffed.

[A]

It would smell like nothing.

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I just feel like there'd be a difference between, like, PJ and I eating pork and a vegan.

[A]

Ryan's gonna smell like puberty. Like, I know. I'm just.

[B]

You gonna.

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Y' all eat pork so y' all underwear would smell like cancer. I eat. I'm vegan, so mine would smell like whatever fabric, soft knife.

[A]

I feel like Rory's gonna smell spicy.

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I don't know spicy. Like Old Spice.

[A]

Yeah, like it's good.

[C]

Like, it's racist.

[A]

Like a clothes.

[C]

Don't let her say that about your people. That's racist. She thinks Old Spice was made in Ireland. Like, she thinks that.

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Like, she thinks there is the Irish Spring.

[C]

Irish Spring? Yeah. You can wash a car with Irish Spring, yo.

[A]

My mother used to use Irish Spring. That was the soap that she would buy for, like, the house. I was like, yo, mom, I can't use this. Yeah.

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Cause that came, like, 40 balls in a pack. And that lasted you for two and a half years. It could be 30 niggas taking a shower. That ball look like it wasn't used at all at all, yo.

[A]

Yeah, good old Irish Spring.

[B]

They got this exfoliate that. I like that. I kind of have to, like, sneak by at Trader Joe's. It's called Brazilian nut, and I feel weird checking out with it, but it's some of the best. Like, exfoliation.

[C]

It's like a body scrub.

[B]

It's really, really good. That's why I think my drawers would do well in that, because, you know, scrub.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I get in the crevices.

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Body scrub.

[A]

Yeah.

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It's all good, baby.

[A]

D, I don't want smelling stroke draws.

[B]

How come Charlamagne never smelled a DJ envy seat after we found out he didn't wash his ass for 45 years.

[C]

Yeah, that's the seat you need to smell right there.

[A]

No, I'm cool.

[B]

Smell that throne.

[C]

Smell that throw. Smell that commode.

[A]

Y' all sick, bro. How was your weekend?

[B]

It was good.

[C]

Lit. I was outside. I was in the streets, baby.

[A]

D. I know. I got a text message at 3am with video footage.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I was outside.

[B]

How was that 3:00am No, I feel like we got home at a reasonable hour.

[C]

I will never be outside till 3am

[A]

I woke up at 3am and saw the message.

[C]

Okay, well, then that's different. No, we weren't outside till 3. I was in my third dream about

[B]

3am yeah, for sure. Well, yes, Maul kept to his promise.

[C]

I did.

[B]

He did come to the J. Cole show with me.

[C]

I did shout out to the Dreamville team, everybody, for not having me.

[A]

Hey, yo, thank y'.

[C]

All. Y' all. Couldn't keep me out the building. Kept me off the riser, but couldn't keep me out the building. It's all good. You know what I mean? Shout out to Dreamville.

[B]

I mean, I feel like. I feel like we probably could have went over to the riser. I just didn't want to push our luck. We had great seats, could see the stage. I didn't feel like we should really push this.

[C]

What you think would have happened if we walked to the riser? Nothing. Exactly.

[B]

And I don't mean that in, like. I hope they don't take that in that.

[C]

No, no, no. We would have. They would have allowed us to go on.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

They were strict. I don't know. They were strict on that riser. Boy.

[C]

We saw B. Dot come off the riser to hug Cole mid walk through and go back on the road.

[A]

Nasty B. Dot.

[C]

We saw B. Dot do it. B. Dot ran down the stairs and placed herself right in the path of Jermaine. In Jermaine's path. You want.

[B]

You want to know why I love bdot? I happen to just catch all of that on camera. You said I just happened to catch it.

[C]

Yeah, you told me. I didn't see it at first.

[B]

I went from hugging Yom shout to

[C]

shout out to Yom Yomi Bryant.

[A]

Big Yomi.

[B]

So we see yomi, we give her a big hug, and then we look to the left, and J. Cole is rapping five feet away from us. And then I see B. Dot run, hug him, get right. Right under his arm. I feel like I think he even gave him a little noogie dapped. And I sent that to B Dot

[A]

and he posted it himself. I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

To laugh at a. Cause we're friends and we make jokes on each other. I said, have you no shame?

[C]

Remember pride?

[B]

And instead, y' all remember pride. Hey, Cole told us pride is the devil.

[A]

Pride is the devil, apparently.

[C]

Is it? I'm a devilish motherfucker.

[B]

So what I thought was going to be a private joke that BDOT would be ashamed of. He clicked it up and posted it.

[C]

No, he said, thank you for that.

[A]

I said, oh, my God. B dot com.

[B]

All right. Well, had he not interrupted that, I was gonna try to get Cole to stop in dat mole. Like, that was my plan.

[C]

Cole would have saw me sitting there. He would have stopped the music.

[B]

Security pause. We locked eyes. Hey, yo, I was like, yo, my man here.

[A]

Like, you putting him on. Yo, this that bad.

[B]

Yo, my man, rap. Yo, my man while he rapping, while

[C]

he's performing in front of a soldar crowd. Yo, my man right here, Iran.

[B]

But I was happy you did come out.

[C]

Yeah. I told you. I've never seen Cold.

[B]

I was bullshitting.

[C]

No, no. I never seen Cole perform like, his own set. I've seen him come out at other people's shows and, you know, do a couple records here and there, but I've never seen his own show. So that's. That's part of the reason why I went. I was like, oh, I never seen him perform his own show.

[A]

What did you think?

[C]

I thought it was good. He did a good job. Did a good job. Great performance. Loved the fact that he really didn't have no guests. It was all him. Didn't do no wardrobe change, Just kept it cold. He could have left there, got on his city bike, and rode home if he want. Nobody would have bothered him. J. Cole has created a very interesting and unique, I guess, aesthetic and Persona for himself to be able to sell out Barclays. And then from the show, he could have jumped on a Citi bike and rode his bike home, and nobody would have bothered him. I think that's pretty dope. I think it's like an interesting, interesting life that he's created for himself. I do. I think that's some cool shit. He can still. He's super, obviously super famous, super popular, but then also, nobody will bother him. You know what I'm saying? It's like that type of thing, which is, I think, what a lot of people aspire to do. Like, I want to be successful, sure, if. If fame comes with success. Okay, you'll take it. But I also want to be able to just do regular shit and just, you know, saying, like, not be bombarded by a bunch of people on my. On my days off.

[B]

Yeah, you know me.

[C]

So I think that's cool. But the show was good, you think?

[B]

He probably doesn't go out with security, like, if he's going to a target run, which is cool.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, he's. He's created. He's created a very, you know, a unique. A unique life for himself. I think that's. I think it's dope, the way he maneuvers. He doesn't want to seem like he's not accessible, you know? He wants to be a man of the people. Nothing wrong with that. I salute that. People have this weird thing that they think that I hate Cole. And I keep saying, I don't hate Cole. I never met him.

[B]

That's why we brought you out to show.

[C]

To show the never met him. Don't, Don't. Don't hate him again. Just hate what he did as a rapper, as an emcee, in a very rapper MC moment. That's all. That's all it is.

[B]

Well, I'm glad we could show the city that you meant well.

[C]

Of course. I always mean well. I don't have issues with nobody. Anybody that don't. Y' all know me. If anybody don't like me, have an issue with me, y' all gotta ask them, like, why? Like, what's the issue? Like, the girl at the show that wasn't that interesting. Girl at the show. Baby D comes up. Her sister sit right next to us. Rory thought that I probably knew the girl. Cause she was like, ugh, what you doing here?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, walked off. So I looked at her one part.

[B]

She then ended it with. I don't fuck with.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, did you be or something?

[C]

And then walked off. And I was like. So Rory was like, yo, you know her? I was like, I don't know who that is. So then the young lady that was sitting next to us, she was like, what was that about? I was like, I don't know her. She was like, that's my sister. I was like, I don't know your sister. I've never met her before. So then a couple minutes pass, she tells me her sister text her. Because I guess she texts her to be like, yo, what was that about? And she said, oh, my sister said that you shouldn't be here because you don't like J. Cole you're not a J. Cole fan. And then my. And then a minute I sat there, I said, you know, I just had to laugh. And I said, that's what she thinks, right? That's what she thinks. And it's fine. But in that moment, I'm thinking, like, you know, how strange it is to see somebody that you don't know at

[A]

all

[C]

say something like, what you doing here? All on behalf of somebody that doesn't even know you're here.

[B]

But you did that to Cole in a way. How you don't know him. And you said, ew, why are you apologizing?

[C]

I never said Ill. Never said that in my life.

[A]

No, you said he had boy shorts on and that Eve should have unplugged all the cameras.

[C]

Yeah, I stand on that. It is. Eve should have unplugged everything. Unplug it. You know what I'm saying? Whole stage should have went dark. But, yeah, so. And then towards the end of the show, the young lady comes back and she apologizes, and I just was like, yo, it's all good. Like, I'm not. I don't care about that. I don't care about that. But it's just like, how weird is Ill? I don't know you and J and Jermaine doesn't know you.

[A]

Don't get me started on.

[B]

So this shirt I actually bought for them all to try to, like, disguise them in the arena. And he was a little cocky and was like, I don't need to wear that. And I felt like J. Cole may have stopped had he seen Maul with the fall off shirt on. Like, that could have been.

[C]

Yeah, he would have.

[B]

Like, it could have been the olive branch.

[C]

He'd like, that's a bootleg.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't know if we were gonna get in, so I had to buy the bootleg to try to disguise you out the gate.

[C]

Yeah. He'd be like, yo, that's not real merch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if anyone wants, this is a game worn mall Dreamville hat that we could auction off or something. That's game worn right there. He had that on in the Barclays.

[C]

I never would have had a day in my life.

[B]

Yo, I'm screaming, don't do that because I put the hat on you during the let out when we were singing.

[A]

Yeah, I see y' all survived the let out.

[C]

I love that touch and go for a second. No, I didn't think it was. It was. It was kind of shaky getting up out of there.

[B]

Well, you made it okay for us. When the security guard had an Iceman club on. Yeah, that's when I knew you called ahead. I was like, I forgot Mall is from the streets. I'm just this Willy Nilly kid. There's like, everything's gonna be fine. I know that Mall said two days before.

[C]

Yeah, plays with security, somebody everywhere.

[B]

This is not a joke. We got to our seats, and there was a security guard with the Michael Jackson glove on his hand. I was like, there's no fucking way.

[A]

Ordain God.

[C]

I'm saying, my peoples was everywhere.

[B]

Making sure you was all right.

[C]

Making sure I was safe.

[A]

Who else but he?

[C]

Exactly. But the show was good, though. I enjoyed it. The Barclays sound system is terrible, though. Yeah.

[B]

They could have turned Cole's mic up a little.

[C]

J. Cole's mic was low the entire time. You could only hear him when the beat dropped or when he was giving one of his eloquent speeches. Yeah, but they. They need to. I don't know. It's something about the sound system in Barclays that I never was a fan of. I've been to a few concerts then. I've never was a fan. Like, the difference from the sound system and Barclays in the Garden is, like, completely different. It's a whole different. Like, it's like watching the 90s basketball games now, and you're like, how did I ever know that Jordan had the ball right there when I was a kid? It's like, you can't see shit.

[B]

Like, NBA Live 2000 graphics. We was like, yo, it's video games. Watching the real.

[C]

How did you know that was Magic Johnson? How? Like, you know what I'm saying? The sound system is just night and day. I don't know if it's, like, the sound system. I don't know if it's the sound engineer for the night. I don't know. I don't want to put it on anybody in particular, but every time I've gone to a concert in Barclays, I've always said the sound could have been better. The mic could have been louder. You could hardly hear the artist. Like, it's just. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, it's not just Cole. I've felt that way with a lot of different artists. Yeah, but I mean.

[C]

And it's not just Barclays. I mean, Teyana Taylor's mic was off at Yankee Stadium, so maybe we got to check who's the engineers for these shows. It might be the same guy.

[B]

Was he wearing the Iceman?

[C]

Yeah, it might be the same guy.

[B]

That's the guys that's behind everything. But Cole did perform all the records I wanted to hear from the fall off. You know, I love the. The first disc. And I felt like he leaned in heavy with disc one, so I was very happy about that. He did some come up, some warm up. I. I thought the show was great.

[C]

JCO has an interesting fan base. It's a very interesting fan base.

[B]

How so?

[C]

Just. Just looking around at the crowd in Barclays, like, I'm just looking at them and I'm like, I get it now. Like, that's. That's the first time I've seen a jcole show where everybody is here for him. And I understand it now.

[A]

Who do you understand?

[C]

His fan base is very

[B]

careful because that's me and Demer.

[C]

But his fan base is. In a way, his fan base is very much like him. Like, his fan base is very down

[A]

to earth, personable, sweet.

[B]

They all took city bikes to the arena.

[C]

Not like those things, but like, more so. Like, the best way I could describe it is like his fans seem like all of the kids that are grown now that used to like, hang out in front of 7:11. Like, they'll be in the car, they'll take their parents car, sit in front of 7:11. Maybe somebody can go get a pack of cigarettes.

[B]

No, those kids are like Hopson fans now.

[C]

But I think Hopson fans of J. Cole fans are one of the same.

[B]

Absolutely not.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think Cole fans are kids.

[C]

That. And this is not a knock. I'm just saying his fan base is very. It's like, it was a lot of Asian kids. Well, not me. Not kids. It was a lot of Asians. It was a lot of whites, a lot of rap.

[A]

But I feel like that's rap shows, period, though.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying, like, yes, hip hop rap is accepted by all races and cultures. I get that part. But the show. No, it was a very different, like, clear. Like when we went to see, who did we see in Toronto? And we was like, if he's Daniel Caesar. Daniel Caesar. Like, that crowd is the J. Cole crowd. Like, that's exactly who was probably at J. Cole show in Toronto.

[B]

Same crowd. I agree with that.

[C]

I went to see Daniel Caesar.

[B]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[C]

And it's not a knock.

[A]

It's just like, I feel like J. Cole has the most normal fans. Like, normal, normal, regular people. Like the regular people that you went to school with. They weren't super popular, but they weren't super weird. Just normal people. I feel Like J. Cole has the normal.

[C]

It's a very even kill fan base of like, you know, everybody in the

[B]

building had something to lose.

[C]

Everybody has something to lose. Everybody has something to do tomorrow. Yeah, everybody has something going on. Everybody has a job normal. Everybody has an educational fans. Yeah, it's like a very like, you know what I mean? Like, it's a very non problematic, non non confrontational. Even though the young lady was like, you know.

[B]

Yeah, I'm about to say she clearly. She clapped.

[C]

She clearly want to smoke with me. But you know, it's like a very. But then she came back and apologized. You get what I'm saying? So it's kind of like if I would. If that would have been at a. Let's say a Travis Scott show, I might have had to fight, you know what I'm saying? Because it might. Person might have started taking their shirt off, raging and you know, it's like I'm have to put this nigga down like a rabid dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get what I'm saying? But at a cold show, she comes back, she apologizes. I was wrong. I shouldn't have did that. Yeah, it was all love.

[B]

She.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

She didn't want to lose sleep.

[A]

You know me, cold concerts are the only shows I go to where there is an insurmountable amount of couples in the building.

[B]

A lot of couples in that cold

[A]

shows are always couples. Because Cole has a lot of female. I just feel like just normal people that's in relationships, they in the crib,

[B]

listen to Cole lyric wise and this could be a hot take that I may change my mind. But as far as lyrical rappers go, I do think Cole may have the most women fans of that type of lyrical. Now I know you're gonna say Drake and I understand that but Drake is in like superstardom star. He's still a rapper, but he's not past Cole makes like every record is lyrical as. Whereas Drake can do the lyrical and a bunch of other stuff. So of course he's gonna garner a huge wide variety of.

[C]

He casts. He casts a wider net.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

As far as. As far as lyrical rappers go, Cole has so many women fan like Cole's.

[C]

Cole's. Cole's fan base are all of the kids that like felt bad after they stole something from the store.

[A]

He keep calling cold fans pussy. And you know what I'm saying now when I hop across this desk to show him how wrong he is, then I'm gonna Be wrong.

[C]

That's like a. That's. It's trauma there. We can talk about that if you want, baby. It's trauma somewhere.

[B]

It's the same 711 they're getting cigarettes from.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they're stealing from.

[C]

It's not a knock.

[B]

Corporation shouldn't feel bad about that.

[C]

No, I'm saying they feel bad. You know when some kids still say, like, I did that. I know better than that. My parents taught me better than that.

[B]

Cold fans would feel bad if they stole from, like, the mom and pop deli. They'd be like, what am I doing? I'm. I'm part of the system.

[A]

They are perfectly fine still from Walmart.

[B]

But. But, yeah, Walmart, I think they're fine. But yes, they'd have a guilty conscience. Like, damn, I just did that to a family.

[C]

Yeah, like. Like, damn, man. I probably took food off their table tonight.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? They'll feel bad about it.

[B]

And then he, like, buy the dinner.

[C]

Yeah, it's like a very. Yeah, like, it's a very calm, very chill. We was even talking about with the let out, like, everybody, like, exited the building, you know? You know whenever you say n exited the building, that means everybody was orderly. Yep. That means everybody was like, no, go ahead. It was like, the go ahead. You go. Like a. Has never told me no. You go at a rap show. It's never happened before. Like, yo, yo. It's like, damn if we all going the same way.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cold show. No, go ahead. It's like, thank you, man.

[B]

Inefficient.

[A]

Exit that, like, Cat called me. Nobody was disrespectful. Everybody was like, I hope you have a really good night, queen. Like, everything was so sweet. It was the nicest I've ever got hit on.

[C]

Cat call is different. Different. The cat call is different from, From. From Cole's fans. You know, it's like, it's not aggressive. It's not like, yo.

[A]

It was like. It was like marriage material in the building. Like, it was definitely marriage material. Nicole show.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, it was. It was very efficient. Let out to the point that even the people were acting as security guards. Like, emergency exits to the left. Right. Whereas at the. At the Jay Z concert, we were there till 3am and they were like, can you guys please get the out of left field? Like, nah, we chilling.

[C]

It was a very. Just calm, very, you know, we came and saw J. Cole do what he do, and now we're all going home and just relaxing.

[A]

I had a ball I had a fun.

[C]

It was a very. It was a very interesting night. I needed to see. I think I have a. I have a different appreciation for J. Cole now. After seeing his show, after finally seeing his own full set. Like, it's like, okay, like, I always knew he was talented. I always knew he could rap. But now seeing him hold his own show down and carry his own set, just like, hats off.

[A]

I sang every word.

[B]

Oh, no, we're gonna get to this. This was Friday night. We're gonna get to your Saturday in a second.

[C]

Oh, you went Saturday.

[A]

I went Saturday.

[C]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[A]

Of course I would have linked y' all if I went Friday, but, you

[B]

know, you would have been on the riser.

[A]

We.

[B]

We weren't allowed up there. You would adapt us on the way to the.

[C]

You were allowed up there. I wasn't allowed up there.

[B]

Shut up.

[C]

I'm sure they would. They would have welcomed Rory with open arms. Me, on the other hand, it might have been a little, you know, no worrying now, Mall.

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[C]

I would have felt cool.

[B]

I wouldn't have felt. I would have felt like the biggest herb on earth.

[C]

No, but it's like a man to

[B]

get on the riser.

[A]

That's not what happened.

[C]

You left Ryan to go to the riser.

[A]

That's not what.

[B]

And then he big leagued you the next day and was like, yo, we in the suite.

[C]

Gave his extra unlimited chicken tenders in the suite. You know the sweets you have? Every time you think it's the nugget chicken tenders, they refill, they refill. Feel them to the brim. Them sh. Be falling on the. It's like, yo, how many chicken tenders y' all got in the building? Unlimited chicken tenders.

[B]

That's why there's grass on top of the Barclays. The fucking chicken farm up there.

[C]

It's Chicken Tenders Unlimited at the Barclays. With the. With the. With the curl. The crunk, the crinkly fries.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A bunch of dipping sauces.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But yes. All right, so Saturday.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You FaceTime me during the day?

[A]

Well, at first, I text Rory because I had an extra J. Cole ticket because the person I was supposed to go with couldn't come, so I was going to raffle it off to a fan, and I was like, or should I just give it to Ryan? And Rory was like, just give it to Ryan. Like, I was like, you know what? You. Right. Like, I'm just. You know, I'll just give it to Ryan. I told Ryan because I was always. I was just gonna go by myself. Like, I literally was just gonna go by myself, because I go to rap shows by myself. I go to the movies by myself. I don't care. I like going to concerts by myself anyway, because I can move differently and don't do that.

[B]

You weren't just going as a spectator. You were Streamville. Like, you had. You had a purpose. You had a purpose.

[C]

Dream villa.

[B]

You knew what time it was.

[C]

Streamville. You were streaming. Yeah, Streamville is hilarious.

[A]

You didn't see.

[B]

She put it in the chat.

[A]

I watched TV backslash the bears.

[B]

G. You didn't see. He probably was doing something. She put her twitch link in the group.

[C]

Oh, I missed that. I missed it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, you streamed the whole show.

[A]

I streamed. I screamed, like, 30 minutes of it, and then I was like. I went into fan mode. And I was like, I can't do this shit. Bye, y'. All. I gotta go.

[B]

She had a microphone. She was.

[A]

Yeah, talking to Jordan from Complex. Shout out to Jordan, yomi.

[C]

Oh, you were Streamville for sure. Yo, I thought this was.

[A]

I thought.

[C]

You look joking. We said stream.

[B]

Look at her beat eye. Yo, y' all are compromised. At least there's. At least there's two media personalities here that are still gonna keep this real.

[A]

How are we compromised?

[B]

You up there with Complex and microphones and what that means dreams and streams. You just was like, you up there with Streams.

[A]

I wasn't paid. I wasn't paid. I wasn't hired to record my experience.

[C]

Yeah, but like, just like, the token. Yeah, but like, just, you know, I mean, just enjoy the show. Cut the camera off.

[A]

Like, I did enjoy the show, but the majority of what I streamed, I was streaming. Boss doing Dreamville Radio. So shout out to Boss. Kaz performs. Another local North Carolina performer performed Like, I was streaming. Mainly that I only streamed.

[B]

Like, why did Kaz schedule straight like that?

[C]

What do you mean, another local? Local? You local?

[B]

No, Kaz got, like, big records.

[A]

I wasn't referring to Kaz. I was talking to about P. Pkg, I think that's what his name was.

[B]

Oh, you're talking. Oh, got you.

[A]

And performed. They both did.

[B]

Yes. PKG just put out a project that Cole produced.

[A]

Yes, the entire thing.

[B]

Three verses on it.

[A]

Performed if I'm not.

[B]

Yeah, no, that was him.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, so I was mainly filming that, you know, just talking to people and stuff like that. But I told Ryan. I was like, ryan, I'm probably gonna have to leave you because I wanted to go hang with, you know, go see Yomi like that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I was supposed to go back to him. But once I got on the riser, they were strict. I couldn't go back up there, so I just stayed there and enjoyed the show.

[B]

But you was, like, trapped against your will, or are you saying you couldn't go back?

[A]

I couldn't. She told me I couldn't keep going back and forth. She's like, you can't keep going back and forth. So I was just sitting around, drink money.

[C]

Who told you that? You know me.

[A]

No, the people at Barclays.

[C]

The security.

[A]

Yeah, security was being real weird and strict.

[C]

I could have called the homie.

[A]

I didn't have a lanyard. I didn't have a lanyard. You know, I snuck on a riser. I didn't have a lanyard. So they walked up to the people on the. On the rise. I was like, yo, she's supposed to be here. I'm like. Everybody was like, yeah, she cool. Like, damn, sure fuck out.

[B]

Like, part of me feels like mall is the reason why the riser is strict for the store. And I'm really not even. Like, I'm really not. I'm really not Gas.

[A]

You are really.

[B]

Okay, hear me out.

[C]

Land it. Let me hear this whole little baby. Let me hear this. Landed.

[B]

Now, when the apology happened at Dreamville Fest, obviously Twitter was on fire the next day. And our podcast made rounds with that clip. And granted, I think a lot of people that are in Dreamville affiliated with Dreamville weren't just talking about mall, but it was only, like, one of three people they were really getting at when saying what was the exact term. We got to close the pool.

[A]

The kids in the pool.

[B]

The kids are in the pool. And while that may have been about somebody else, that was on Revenge of the Dreamers, but it could tie to us as well, because I have always been affiliated with my good friends over at Dreamville. And then my guy was shitting on them publicly the next day, and it put me in a compromising situation. So I think they closed the pool down. It was like, yo, we can't keep having these outsiders around. Look what happens. We take care of them. Dreamville, anytime. With Dreamville Fest, a J. Cole show, Felton Eve. Everyone has always made sure I was always good, and I'm always appreciative of that. But I did sit here while Maul was going crazy, and I stand with him.

[C]

I should have done.

[B]

I see why they gotta close that rise. Yo, it's only Scotty Beams allowed. That's it. That's the only person allowed up here.

[C]

You sound nasty. Show me where I shitted on Dreamville.

[B]

Why do I sound nasty? Wait, I fuck with those guys. Wait, why do I sound nasty?

[A]

Sound nasty.

[C]

Show me what?

[A]

That's your friend. I'm telling you, you sound nasty.

[B]

What you mean?

[A]

Like, I know you be being sarcastic sometimes, but I don't want nobody to believe you. Like, you know.

[B]

No, I don't think they shut this riser down.

[A]

I don't want nobody believe it. That's why I was just like, you know, I don't get clipped up.

[C]

Yeah, but no, but then I never. I never on Dreamville. Dreamville. I never on Dreamville. I on Cole's decision.

[A]

If you on Trump, is you on America?

[C]

No.

[A]

If you on Obama, are you on America?

[C]

No. No. First of all, Half of America don't even think he's American.

[A]

Go cut that out.

[C]

Piece for what? Cut it out for what?

[B]

The President of the United States said he wasn't.

[C]

Yeah, like, what are we talking about? Like, cut it out.

[B]

No matter of fact, to them, it's American to say he's not.

[C]

Yeah, no, I didn't. On Dreamvill. That's what I'm saying. It literally boils down to, yes, I can still, like. But that's why. That's what to me is. Is the dope part about me is because I could be.

[B]

Oh, it's a little pretentious.

[C]

No, it is, though. Like, I could. You could be my man, but if you do some whack, I could fuck with you. I could like. You like. Yeah, with this dude. If you do some shit that I don't agree with, I'm gonna tell you, I'm not going jack it just because I'm a fan of yours. I like your music. I'm gonna be like, nah. That was. That was crazy. You shouldn't have did that. But let people tell it. I don't do that because I did it to the person that they love. And they would never say that about.

[B]

Well, some would say that you only went to this Cole show to clean up, not going to the HOV show. That's what some would say.

[C]

Yeah, but we don't speak to that.

[A]

Who would say that?

[C]

Yeah, like, we don't speak to that. Something like that's just. I went to this Cole show because I have never been to a J. Cole show.

[B]

No, I know.

[C]

I've seen him perform, seen him pop out at other people's, you know, shows and things like that. But I've never seen a flat out J. Cole show, so.

[B]

Well, and the Maris. I. I was obviously being sarcastic with that. But I am serious in thinking that tde, Dreamville and OVO post battle would change for them a bit. Is who is the plus ones, twos and threes?

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

Like, I. I am joking. That mall's the reason they shut them. Of course I'm joking in that regard. But I think all three of them, rightfully so. Those crews did a little bit of cleaning house post that battle, that's all.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[B]

Like, it was cool to have the plus one. Could have a plus two. Not anymore. Just the plus one's coming.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can't have everybody up here.

[A]

Well, what I will say is that is the. It was the most down to earth. It's the most comfortable. I've ever felt on a riser. Risers can be very weird sometimes. But everybody there.

[C]

How do you feel comfortable when you couldn't even leave?

[A]

I'm not. But that has to do with the security, not the people that were there. Like, the vibe of it. It was. It wasn't people sitting there stush face scrunched up like no niggas was rapping. Me and J1 shout out to J1. Me and J. Juan sat there and did every word from 33 intro. When that nigga came out. Until the fall off is inevitable. The entire set list, bar for bar screaming, sorry, people don't do that. People don't do that out risers.

[B]

Why is it. Sorry.

[C]

I'm sorry to hear that she performed and didn't get paid for it.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

I had a ball. I had a great time. As a Cole, my. As a Cole fan, super fan. I think I agree with him. He. He picked all the correct songs from the fall off. Even the songs that he did where he was like, y' all probably won't notice. This ain't for everybody. He even did those right. Like, he even did the good. Like, you know I'm saying the good B sides. Like, everything was just great. I did cry.

[C]

For what?

[A]

First of all, hear me out. When he did, I can't remember what song he was doing, but he did like reverse. He did like the reverse pictures of himself, like from now until all the way to like 2014. Force Hills dries. Like, his pictures just flash. It was just. It was really emotional just to see like how far.

[C]

His journey.

[A]

Huh?

[C]

His journey.

[A]

Yes. It was beautiful. If I could cry at gonna. I could cry at cold.

[C]

You shouldn't have cried at either one of those shows.

[A]

Well, gunna had just gotten freed. What that gotta do with you? I get emotional when I see people like, free.

[B]

Free. Did you cry when Shine got out? He did 10 years. Gunna did like 15 years.

[C]

Like, what the fuck? He was free.

[B]

Fucking dinner was still hot when he got home.

[A]

Yeah, but, yeah, I cried. I cried at the last cold show I went to too.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

But I cried at the last cold show. Cause like, get off my Dick played and I had never seen get off my Dick perform live.

[C]

You cried because J. Cole performed Get Off My Dick.

[A]

Get Off My Dick is my favorite cold show.

[C]

What are you going through? What is going on? What are you.

[A]

It made me emotional. I was so. That was tears of joy. But this was like emotional tears. Like, damn. Like, they really tried to tear my down. They tried to Say his career was over. Try to say career suicide. And he's still here, like, shaking the building. Five nights in a road. Can't do that, my mama. No heavy production. No heavy. No tips and tricks. None of that same outfit. Sitting up there rapping bar for bar, every word. And is in there crying and screaming and just happy to be there. Five nights in a row. Favorite rappers cannot do that, period. Point.

[C]

Can't do what?

[A]

Can't do that. A lot of favorite rappers can't do.

[C]

What Cole did perform five nights in a row.

[A]

Five nights in a row. In. In. In one of the biggest markets in the world. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, no. A lot of people without a whole

[A]

heavy production and everybody know every song with hits, fire, B Sides, everything. No. A lot of niggas, favorite rappers.

[C]

A lot. Yeah. A lot of. No, that is true. A lot of people say rappers cannot do that. That is a fact.

[B]

So, yeah, through all of this, we've always said that we don't use the big three lightly. Like, it's those three and everybody else.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Nobody can do that. That's very difficult to do.

[A]

Yeah. So we had a ball. So then afterwards, J. Cole's biggest record

[C]

is about losing his virginity. I just want to point that out.

[A]

That's not his biggest. I. I think it's one of them, but it's not the biggest.

[C]

That is his biggest. I'm not talking about numbers. That is his biggest record.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I don't know about. On Saturday night, but in Mall's defense, that was the loudest. That the.

[C]

That is his.

[B]

The arena went nuts when he was like, yo, I'm a virgin.

[C]

That is his biggest record. Like, Wet Dreams is his biggest record.

[A]

I don't think it is one. It's top five for sure.

[C]

No, it's number one.

[B]

In their hearts.

[C]

Yes. That is. That is J. Cole's. To his fan base. That is. That is his biggest record. Wet Dreams is his best record.

[A]

Best or biggest?

[C]

Both.

[A]

No, it's not both. It's not.

[C]

The. The. The.

[A]

The way that no Role Models is his biggest song.

[C]

No way.

[B]

He. He closed with that, right?

[A]

No.

[C]

You talking about numbers. I'm not talking about numbers.

[A]

I'm not talking about numbers.

[B]

Oh, no. He's closed with that gas station shit

[C]

that Wet Dreams came on. Me and Roy looked at each other like, yo, it is so crazy that a song about losing your virginity is his biggest song.

[A]

If I have any cold critiques, it's number two. If I have any. Like, I said, it's not the biggest

[C]

okay, but I'm not talking about numbers. I'm not talking about J. Cole's whole

[B]

catalog, which is crazy records.

[C]

Anyway, Wet Dreams is his biggest record.

[A]

I'm telling you, the biggest record.

[C]

No, when that Wet Dreams on, I don't know what was feeling like Saturday, Friday night. It was more. That was in tune and in touch with their virginity in that building. When that song came on, me and Rory both looked at each other. I was like, yo, this is crazy. This is his biggest record.

[B]

They sang that more than Love Yours.

[A]

I would, if I have one cold critique, is that I feel like at this point, he might be a little bit too old to keep performing that record. And I love the record Wet Dreams. Yeah.

[C]

He could never not perform that record.

[A]

He. Yes, he could.

[C]

He gonna perform that record until he's 70.

[A]

He. He could stop and I'd be okay with it.

[C]

That's his stop. That's his dreams and nightmares.

[B]

Wet dreams and nightmares. Wet dreams and nightmares and nightmares.

[A]

When I came to work, I knew they was gonna want to piss me off. I was, no, I'm happy.

[C]

No, this is not.

[B]

It's a cop.

[C]

I'm not knocking it. I'm saying that's his. That is his purple ring. Is that better? Wet Dreams. Wet Dreams is J. Cole's Purple Rain. Prince couldn't go nowhere without, like, you. You're not leaving here till you do Purple Rain. I don't give a. What you performing.

[A]

Couldn't come in here. Just get. They couldn't. They couldn't come in here. Just give.

[C]

That's not. Hey, I'm giving props.

[B]

Wait, where's there. Not props.

[C]

I'm giving him his prop. That is his best. That is. That is that song right there. And I didn't even know you pulled this up on the streams and what he's getting daily. I didn't even know about that. I didn't even need to see that. I'm going off of just being in the building, sold out with his fans and telling you, with my two ears, my brain, and my eyes, I'm looking like, oh, shit. When that came, the reaction was. The reaction was bigger than when he first came out and was sitting in the stands, like, rapping.

[B]

He's not wrong. And to the point that I even looked at Maul and said, I cannot believe he's closing with Wet Dreams. Cause it was so crazy. I thought that was, like, the finale.

[C]

I'm telling you, that's his Purple Rain. That's his dreams of nightmare. That's his, like, every Rapper. Every artist has the one record that their fan base, no matter how old they get, they're like, nigga, you have to perform that. That's his record. What dreams is it?

[B]

I love that Workout Flowers. They gave workout a lot of. But that entire building was singing. Workout. Word for word.

[A]

That entire building was singing.

[B]

I'm saying, like, loud.

[A]

One of those songs. Actually, if I'm looking at which song. Which song was performed the loudest, to me, it would be no role models, obviously. Wet Dreams, Power Trip and Planes Went Crazy too. Like, the radio songs. Like, those are Power Trip.

[B]

He didn't. I don't know if he did it. Saturday night, he said one word and then the entire crowd rapped and sang the entire song.

[A]

I had a ball.

[C]

Well, thank you for that, Baby D. We appreciate it.

[A]

No problem. And then I went and linked with Ryan and Peach.

[B]

Yeah, I was out late.

[A]

We had Peach out and I mean, we had Ryan out in bed style. Do or die. Best thigh. Ryan found out, you know what I'm saying, that every time we go somewhere with Peach, Peach get dabbed up all over the neighborhood because he always outside.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

So he's the alderman.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. I don't even know what alderman's doing.

[C]

He's the alderman.

[B]

I went, what the is an alderman?

[A]

I ordered a beer. I was like, yo, Peter, like, what you want? I said, a beer. He handed me a shot. I said, what are you trying to me? Like, why would you give me a shot if I ordered a beer? I just wanted a Heineken. Like, why am I being forced back?

[B]

That's how it goes.

[C]

Yeah. Come on, man. Fuck that. Fuck that beer. Just get hammered.

[B]

Yeah. No, did you get Ryan some peppers? Like some jerk chicken? Anything?

[A]

No, we were. It was 3 o' clock in the morning. We were. And we were in. We live in the gentrified part of bed stuff. No, that's not. I'm not. I'm not saying that that's a good thing. I'm saying that we don't have any, like, spots that are open that late around here. There's nobody on the street cooking it on the grill. Like, we don't have that in that.

[C]

It was right in front of Barclays.

[B]

Yeah, Barclays. That smell good? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, but we were way we were. I linked up with them around.

[C]

I gotta get the jerk to go. See, that's what y' all supposed to do. Get the jerk after the J. Cole

[B]

jerk and J. Cole jerk after Jermaine.

[A]

Yo, I might Throw a party, a happy hour. Jerking J. Cole.

[C]

I don't think nobody coming to the J and J.

[A]

If you think people want to come to that, you crazy. As if you think people would not come to that. You're crazy.

[C]

Jerk. And J. Cole. If I saw something that said jerk and J. Cole, I would keep scrolling.

[B]

Jerking Jermaine.

[A]

Well, you wouldn't go to anything. You don't go anywhere. But there are people.

[C]

Clearly. I just went to the show.

[A]

Go. There are people who come outside that will go. Or if I just did the jerking The Jays. Jerking Js. And it's like J. Cole and Jay Z songs.

[C]

No, nobody's going.

[A]

And jerk, Jerk chicken, J. Cole and Jay Z songs. And you think nobody coming to my house.

[B]

Go with that whole sentence. Don't shorten it.

[C]

Yeah, ain't going today.

[B]

Hey, there's jerk chicken.

[C]

So I'm smell like a grill and all I'm listening to is Jay Z and J. Cole all night.

[A]

That sound like a time?

[C]

No, it sounds like I just. Can I get it to go? I'll come get some jerk chicken, but I'm out of here. I'm not listening to Jay Z. J. Cole said all night. Not doing that.

[B]

Not the verses.

[C]

No.

[A]

Hate good music.

[C]

No, I love good music. I just don't want to hear Jay Z and J. Cole all night for a Happy hour.

[A]

Like 3.

[C]

Get some Anita Baker in there, something. Can we switch this up? No, I want to hear J. Cole and Jay Z all night. Yeah, I don't want to hear no artists or like just them all night.

[A]

I would. No, I would go to that. I want to throw a Mariah the Sciences. Listen, tonight you're going to throw a

[C]

Mariah the Sciences listening party.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Curry. Curry Goat and Mariah.

[C]

Curry and Mariah. Mariah Curry.

[B]

Mariah Curry.

[A]

Oh, fuck y'. All.

[B]

Yo, give us. Give us at least 5% of that Mariah the Curry.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Let us be silent partners.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

Well, I love that after you tried to stunt on Ryan, he big leagued you the next day.

[C]

Ryan back to back off Ryan, huh?

[A]

I did not try to stun on him. Ryan loved going to the show with me. He was happy.

[C]

Call him Sweet Ryan. Yeah, that's Sweet Ryan right there.

[B]

Sweet Ryan.

[A]

Why you call him Sweet? Oh, sweet. Oh, because it's U, I, T. Yeah, I thought she was calling him gay. Sorry.

[C]

No. Well, he has a gay haircut, but

[B]

specifically, he's the L. Yeah, yeah, he's

[C]

the L. And the Alphabet boy for sure.

[A]

So we going We. We gonna do tomorrow at Madison. Well, today.

[C]

No, I'm cool. I'm j. Cold out. Even though I would like to hear him with better sound, but I'm cool. Good show, though. Really good show. If you haven't seen it, you should go see it. It was good.

[B]

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, I. If I had a ticket. I don't have a ticket.

[C]

So buy one. Support the dreamers for the.

[A]

I bought the shirt for the next year.

[C]

They didn't sell that.

[B]

No, he worked for it. He worked for them.

[C]

He. I promise you he don't.

[B]

That gentleman didn don't know E. None

[C]

of them that sold you. That has never met E. Can you

[A]

stand up so that we can see him?

[B]

But I. I bought that hat from inside the Barclays.

[C]

Yeah, that's a real.

[B]

That's a real. Again, game worn. Most sweat is in that hat.

[C]

I was. I was sweating at a jcole show.

[B]

It feels bootleg like that. Loose as sit on my body. I was so mad I didn't buy the bootleg Jay Z merch outside of Yankee Stadium. It said Saturday. Saturday and Saturday on all the dates.

[C]

That's fine.

[B]

Instead of Friday, Saturday.

[C]

That's fine. You stepping supposed to get that?

[B]

Yeah, like that's gonna be worth 5k on 100 grailed one day. 100.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The bootleg. They're all right, man. Support your local bootlegger.

[C]

Yeah, man. It's always good if it's a good bootleg. Support the bootleggers, man. You gotta support the bootleg.

[A]

I gotta get that. I survived the let out shirt for sure.

[C]

You don't have to, but not.

[B]

They didn't even let you out. He was trapped on the right.

[C]

Yeah, trapped on the riser,

[A]

y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Mo and I got in the car to leave the show and had to go right into new Music Friday.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We threw that cardi on. Just two fellas going over the Manhattan Bridge.

[C]

It was disgusting.

[A]

The cardi B. Yeah.

[B]

Cardi B song.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I thought y' all threw that on going over to the bridge.

[B]

I mean, it was like it was about to be midnight. It was New Music Friday. Needed to hear what the streets was giving us. I like the song. Y' all can come in here and.

[A]

Hey, I like, why would we come in here? Hey, I like aha too.

[B]

I think it'll work.

[A]

I don't know if it'll work. I always hope it'll work, and I think that is really good. I don't know if it'll work. I don't know what female rap looks like working now these days?

[B]

Do they have a dance for the hook? The hook will work. I guess to your point, the definition of work. I don't know.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's a good song. I love it, you know, but I don't know if it'll. What does work mean in this era? Female rap.

[B]

And Meg already stole this for Tik Tok, so she can't go, aha. Because that's already a Meg thing, right? No, she can.

[A]

She can do that.

[C]

Okay, fine.

[B]

But she's doing it trying to, like, take out your bbl like that. If she gets all the chicks to take out their bbls, like, that's like when hov got us to take throwbacks off.

[A]

Oh, they're dancing to it on Tik Tok.

[C]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah, they're all in taking a bbl.

[A]

I'm sorry. Repeat what you just said. I'm sorry. I was looking at the Tik Tok show.

[B]

What if Cardi can get all the girls to take their bbls out? I think it rivals like when hov got us all to take. Take throwbacks off. Ah, no rims on the car.

[A]

No.

[B]

No fat in your butt.

[A]

No chrome on the world. McGrono.

[C]

For real.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think Cardi looks great.

[A]

She does look good. She looks amazing. Ma, did you like the song? It's okay to say you don't like it.

[C]

I mean, it was cool. I mean, it's not for me, though. I can't really speak on records like this. Not. It's not for me. It's not for me to like. It's cool. I mean, beat is cool. It moves. I can see how girls gonna shake to it and all of that. And, you know, it's not for me to like or. Or hate. Like, I just. It's cool. It's just another. Another record, another Cardi record, and hopefully it works. Like, y' all know how I feel about Cardi. Like, I hope it works for her, but it's not for me to like or to not like. Like, it's not. She didn't record that. Thinking like, damn, I hope mall with this.

[B]

Like.

[C]

Like, that ain't for that. That type of. That type of music ain't for me.

[B]

We can't single out Cardi because most rappers lie in their raps, so I can't even.

[A]

Don't even know it. Don't even say it.

[B]

It is. I mean, it's funny to start the song out with you can't trap me. I won't keep it.

[C]

When you just kept it, I mean,

[A]

but that doesn't mean somebody was trying to trap her. That could have been a baby that she wanted.

[C]

But let's talk about that. Let's dig.

[B]

Turn 92 bricks.

[A]

Let's not. Let's not. Let's not.

[C]

Let's not talk about. No. Away from Cardi. I'm saying, like the. The perception of a woman being trapped. Right.

[B]

I think it's brave. I think it's her right to choose. I think it was a revolutionary line.

[C]

No, because trapped, it usually would be if you feel like the person is trying to keep you in a relationship that you don't want to be in or have some attachment to you forever. When you talk about having a kid by him with a person. But it usually would also. Isn't it. From what I can remember about being trapped, is there is some, like, person that's trying to get something out of me other than a baby. Well, it's like financial gain. Whether it's.

[A]

No, not exactly.

[C]

It was never that trap comes from

[B]

who has the upper hand financially. Yes.

[C]

And because if a man said she's trying to trap me, usually man, like she gonna try. Like she got pregnant. She's trying to keep it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't want a baby with her. It's usually because the man has something financially. Financially to gain.

[A]

I don't. I think because you have something financial to gain, like, you kind of look at it in that light, and you're around people who have something financial to gain. So you look at it in that light. But poor people be trapping poor people with babies all the time.

[C]

Oh, those are just like. We're not talking about those people.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

We talking about just beeping. No, we talking about, like, people that are healthy, functioning, healthy, mentally healthy people.

[A]

Yeah. Women do not just try to trap men, and men do not just try to trap women because of financial gain.

[C]

No, I'm not saying. I didn't say. Only listen to what I'm saying. I'm saying finance. Obviously, you didn't. I'm saying finances is part of it.

[A]

It can be.

[C]

That's all I said.

[A]

No, but that's not what you said. You say usually. That's why. And what I'm telling you is that

[C]

I said finances is part of it too. I said I. Now, speaking from Cardi, she set financially. She ain't trying to be with nobody for no financial gain. So for her to say that it's a little different because she's a breadwinner herself.

[B]

She has the financial upper hand. That's why somebody would try to trap her. Cause now I got a baby and.

[C]

Yeah, but she also has.

[B]

But like Kevin Federline tried to trap Britney Spears.

[C]

Right, but to what you were saying. Cause coming off of what you were saying. Cause you was like, well, she kept it. But her baby fathers are both successful. They have. So she can't be talking about that. That's excluded.

[B]

No, of course not.

[C]

So that's what I'm speaking to. Like, she can't be talking about guys that she was with. Like, that's just a line for anybody to take and be like, yeah, Like, I could. I could say that I could make a video getting that bar off, because I could relate to it.

[B]

Funny bar to say. I'm sure women are gonna love to scream it at the club.

[C]

Like, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

It's a fun line.

[C]

But Cardi probably in her life right now is not dating anybody that's trying to trap her for financial gain because she's not gonna be fucking with somebody that don't have shit going on.

[B]

You never know.

[C]

You right.

[B]

You absolutely never know.

[C]

Can't argue that.

[A]

Y' all are so close to the point, and it's just like, whoo. Going right over your head.

[B]

I still can't believe y' all are

[A]

proving my point by exactly everything. You're just saying. Well, I. Cardi only dates people that are on her level. Even if we're not talking about her. Cardi only dates people on her level. Right. So then nobody would be trapping anybody for financial gain, because everybody's rich. So then what would other people be trapping them for? What would somebody be trapping her for if it's not for financial gain? Which is my point. That people don't only. That people don't trap for finance. Some people do trap.

[C]

First of all. First of all, let's go deeper than what Baby D saying. A woman can't be trapped if she don't want to be trapped.

[B]

That's a fact. Unless she's very religious. Yeah.

[C]

Like, what are you talking about? A man can't trap you if you don't want to be trapped.

[A]

You can be trapped if you don't want to be trapped.

[B]

Because be on the riser.

[A]

Somebody can convince you to have a child.

[C]

Now you're going into some other shit. A nigga can't convince you nothing if you don't want to be trapped.

[A]

I just won't speak like, if I'm not a.

[C]

Cannot convince you if you don't want to be trapped. Ain't no convincing you if you like, I think I'm not having your baby body. There's no convincing you.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You know, there's no con. What would a man say to like, you know what? I'm gonna have his baby even though I don't want to. That's crazy in itself to even think that's yourself.

[B]

All right, all right, hold on, hold on. Let me give some pushback. There could be a scenario where a man says, let's keep the baby. We're going to be a family. And then a month in just jets. And now she's sitting here with. With a baby when she thought she was going to have a family and support and the father be there and the father leaves. Yeah, but no, no, that's a form.

[C]

Yeah, you talking about something totally different though. I'm talking about. And going into the pregnancy, you find out you pregnant and you feel like, nah, he trying to trap me. It ain't gonna be no conversation of, yo, let's be a family. You know what I mean? Like, I wanna. If you feel like he's trying to trap you, that's not the conversation that's gonna convince you to keep the baby.

[B]

No, of course not.

[C]

That's all I'm saying. Like, that's not. No. So a woman holds that power. Like a woman can't be trapped if she doesn't want to be trapped. At least that's how I look at it. She's the one that has to have to carry this baby.

[B]

Because you're pro choice and you think it's her choice. Body is her decision.

[C]

It's her choice. Trap is when a man convinces a woman to get her tubes tied.

[B]

So we can just.

[C]

So they can't have a baby with somebody else. But you can reverse that, though.

[B]

No, I don't know about the second woman. I don't know about tubes.

[C]

A woman could get tubes untied. No. At least I thought that was a.

[B]

I mean, let's not ask the only woman in here and just keep talking as men. Hey, I don't probably. Who knows?

[C]

Yes, you can. Tubal litigation is also reversible through a major microsurgical operation.

[B]

They just untie the knot.

[C]

Yeah, I know because I know women that has.

[B]

That has gotta make sure it's not double knotted.

[C]

And yes, as long as it's not a sailor's knot. If they. If they hit you with the sailors.

[B]

What do they call them?

[C]

If they Hit you willing to Boy Scout knots. Yeah, it's over.

[B]

The one right over left and pull like. Yeah. No, you're not. The anchor.

[C]

Yeah. The. That's holding the Intrepid to the. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

That's in her service.

[C]

Yeah. That's not. That's you not coming back. It's no reversing that. We don't know how to take that out.

[B]

I don't even know how we got on that.

[C]

The constructed knock. Double Fisherman's bend.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If they hit you with the Double Fisherman's Bend.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So like.

[A]

Ah.

[C]

Yeah, it's over.

[B]

All right. Besides Cardi, we got new Meek music. A lot of dreaming. We did get a Dream Chasers Dream Vils.

[C]

What's the name of this again? Nightmares. Three Dreams. This is. This is a very interesting choice of a record to remix. And I say this all the time. And Rory, you know that I'll continue to say it. Dreams and Nightmares is the best and the worst thing to happen to Meek Mill. It's his biggest song. It's his most notable song. It's arguably the greatest intro to a rap album ever. And I feel like because of that, Meek has been trying to capture that moment, that energy that feels for most of his career post that song and to now make a. I guess what is this? A rendition, A version of that? It's just a little awkward. It's like, why, though? Why? Nightmares to Dreams.

[B]

You got me.

[C]

Like, I just don't. I just don't understand it. Yes, we know Meek is rapping on there. He's talking that talk. The beat is good, but just. It's very. It's telling to a degree. And it kind of. It kind of validates how I feel about the Dreams and Nightmares record. He understands that that energy that he had in that moment, that sound, that intro, that it's in the Mount Rushmore of greatest intros in rap history. But again, I feel like he's been. And that's like the bar that he's been trying to get over and shoot and aim for so long.

[B]

So you can just rap over the beat again.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

After you already did it in a perfect way.

[C]

But this is what I'm saying. Trying to recapture that, you know, that energy. And it's like. It just reads a little. Just like. Kind of like, huh. But why. Why would you. Why not just make an entirely different sound and an entirely different record, something that we've never heard you do and something we've never heard you rap about versus Trying to do Nightmares to Dreams. Like, I just don't understand why he would do that. And again, it's not like it's bad. It's not a bad, you know, record, but it's just an awkward record.

[B]

It's our Journey. Don't Stop Believing and I don't know, would you expect Journey to just.

[C]

They would never re.

[B]

Sing over that, right?

[C]

Like, Prince would never do Purple Rain. He would never call it Rain Purple.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then like, it would be from

[B]

South Detroit to West Detroit.

[C]

Yeah. It would be like, yo, what you just leave that be. Leave that where it's at.

[B]

I hate to do this because I. I think Meek gets a bad rap. And I kind of hate. Even though I participated sometimes in an objective way, I hate the Meek Mill hate train. I think Meek gets. I think he does it to himself a lot. But I. I've always hated the hate that Meek. Meek gets because I think he's a really talented artist. He just makes some questionable decisions sometimes, as we all do. But I always want to come in here and like, support Meek because I fuck with Meek and then like, stuff like this happens and I'm just like, what is the thought process here?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Maybe there is one. I know Meek is independent now, and maybe this being one of the most. Probably the most streamed song he has. Shazam. Like, all right, now I have a version of it that I own with the same B. I don't let up

[C]

up Meek Smoke Stream song.

[B]

I'm sure.

[C]

Want to see something?

[B]

It's probably that or what's the Drake one? Going bad. Yeah. Dreams of Nightmare and then. Then going bad.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I. I don't know if that was his thought. I just don't really get it. Like, I think everyone just wants good Meek Mill music. And this is just like, all right, you have some momentum. And then we just put out part

[C]

two of something going bad. It's going bad. And then dreams and nightmare.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah. But again, you know.

[B]

But is this his version of. Of Taylor Swift re singing all her music after Scooter Braun stole it? It's like. I mean, like, no, I'm trying to. No, it might.

[C]

Because I.

[B]

With Meek so much. And again, like, I listened to like the first eight bars of it and I was like, what do we. What is the point of this? Yeah, but maybe there's a reason. We don't know. So I don't want to come out the gate and just shit on it. I'm not going to go and listen to it. But I am always going to listen to Dream of Nightmares. I don't think any DJ is going to play Dreams of Nightmares and be like, wait, part two and switch to it. But I don't know, maybe this is his version of testing the marketplace now that he's independent with one of his most proven records. Sampling himself so he can have the ownership over the. I don't fucking know. But maybe I'm trying to shoot me some bail because no one ever does.

[C]

I get it. But it's again, to me, it's just. It just was kind of awkward to see that and then hear the music and I'm just like. But in a way I understand it because again, that is Dreams and Nightmares is his holy grail. That is his. You know what I mean? His record. That is his most notable Meek record. Most notable Meek sound like when that comes on, it still gets the same reaction that it got the first year it came out.

[B]

It's one of the greatest rap songs ever.

[C]

Yeah, so we. I understand that. But it's just like again, it's a gift and a curse to have a record like that. Because again, you're. That's still the one that you're aiming for. But now to kind of like really draw from that moment and name the song Nightmares of Dreams. And even the music is the same. It's just like. It's just a little.

[B]

I mean, there's a little bit of a difference.

[C]

It's a little different, you know, little. Little tweaks here and there. But it's again. And trying to capture that moment and that energy. I understand it. I get why Meek is doing it. It's just. I would rather see him do something totally different. Sound like something we've never heard him sound like and still be Meek. But like, give us something completely different than Dreams and Nightmares.

[B]

Or don't. But just not the same exact beat. Just give us. Just give us some regular Meek snares and shoot the video in South Philly and call it a day, right? Damaris, I look to you. Do you feel like he surpassed the original with this effort?

[A]

No, I don't feel like he surpassed the original. I would have liked to hear somebody else sample it, not him sample himself. But I mean, if anybody's gonna sample you, you should do it. I'm not mad that he did it. And also, this is the most have talked about Meek in a long time. So whether people like it or not or want to hear something or not, it's working as far as a marketing strategy. Have not talked about me like this in a very long time, so.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, everybody, Anybody, anybody to talk about somebody. But is there some ROI with talking about it, like streams?

[A]

People gonna go listen to it and see if it's better than the original.

[B]

I just don't think anyone's going back to it. I don't think they're staying power with the streams. But I could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe that is going crazy at a Phillies game right now. I don't know.

[A]

Some people might like it, but I don't. I don't. I don't have a marketing strategy for Meek, and I'm sure he's trying to figure out how to survive in this modern era, so everybody's sampling something these days, so.

[B]

Well, I. I like that Mick is putting out music independently. He's been talking about it for a few years, and I know his Atlantic situation wasn't the best. So good for me, it's his career now. He can make the choices and figure it out. But I'm always here for Meek's music, so.

[C]

No. A record is hard, though. That new Wale joint is crazy.

[B]

Overthink.

[C]

That shit is dope.

[B]

He's been teasing that shit for like five months on Instagram. I'm so happy that he finally put that shit up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause he'd post a snippet on his Instagram, I'd be like, all right, man, stop posting this then. Like, if you're not gonna put this shit out. That hook on Overthink is crazy.

[C]

Yeah. Wale been kicking ass, man.

[A]

Good for him.

[C]

Wale been kicking ass, man. Wale been dropping some really, really good music week.

[B]

The way we've Talked about how Hov and Nas aged with life is good in 444. Wally Right now is. Is aging the best for his peers and rap. I feel like I like the way he's aging with his music.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I like that, like the last album, the content on it, but still making. You could listen to outside. Like, I'm never on the side of. Everything has to be 444. Like, please tell me about your family. I still want to go outside and party. He has a perfect balance, I think, of that. And this Overthink record, I think is a great example of that. This is how you age in hip hop.

[C]

The only thing I want from Wiley now, this is great. I love this Overthink record. But the only thing I want from him now is to challenge himself because this is still a safe record. Like the Wilde, the Leon Thomas. Joint anytime. It's a cheat code. Anytime you get an R and B dude on the hook, it's like, Wiley

[B]

does that better than most.

[C]

This is what I'm saying. He got the Miguel, got the Usher record. Was it Holy matrimony. You got the Leon Thomas joint. You got this now with Elmin. Like, I want Wale to challenge himself to not put out another record with a R and B hook for at least. Nah, a year and a half.

[B]

Nah, keep doing it. It works.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm just saying, just challenge yourself creatively as an artist.

[A]

But you don't think he's done it before.

[B]

I'll get pushed back. Cause, like, even on Attention Deficit, his first studio album, like, he had Afrobeats on that before any rapper was doing that.

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

He always pushes himself with sound before.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. Now I want him to get away from this R and B hook that. Like, leave that alone. You've done it and you do it well. But now let's do something else. I just want. Just as a fan of Wally, I wanna challenge him. Like, let's see what you could do next. Creative. But he's proved.

[A]

I mean, he's done that.

[B]

Yeah, he's done it.

[C]

Yeah, but I mean, do it again, but don't do this again. Don't give us the R and B hook again for a minute.

[A]

Because this is finally working for. Like, this is working.

[C]

It's been working for him.

[B]

He always has, like a almost.

[C]

This is what Wale. He do this shit. He might have A versus with R B hooks against anybody, I don't think.

[B]

Go ahead, Debar.

[A]

I'm sorry. What I'm saying is now Wale is getting the. He's back to getting the attention that he deserves when it comes to music. He was a long time ago and then there was a dark spot where he was like, I feel like nobody's giving me the credit. I deserve this, this and that. Now he's getting it again. And it's because this formula is working so well for him. I don't want you to go and switch the formula.

[C]

Now his top record, well, outside of no Hands, Bad featuring Rihanna, Lotus Flapper Bomb featuring Miguel. Number six on Chill. Jeremiah.

[B]

Love, hate thing.

[C]

Love hate thing. And then you go to. They need to Know. Yeah. Then Tierra Thomas.

[B]

Bad Diced Pineapples.

[C]

Yeah. Like we love with Bryson Tiller. Matrimony, Usher, the Body, Jeremiah. Like, he does that. That's. That's.

[B]

But you feel like this overthink Record. I don't think it's like that R B love song type of record. It's kind of a depressing song.

[C]

It's not an army. He's sampling swv, is it?

[B]

No, but I'm saying that that's not swv.

[C]

Who was that? The. Oh, me, sampling.

[B]

I thought it was SWV too.

[A]

Oh, it is swv. Misgetta is the stuff. Get It Together.

[B]

No, but I'm saying the content isn't like, bad.

[C]

No, I know it's not bad.

[B]

Or like, it's dope, Leon. Like, it's. It's. Yeah, to me, it's. It's more of like a.

[C]

It's a cheat code. You have a dope ass R B hook as a rapper. It's a layup for you if you can really rap.

[B]

Oh, for sure. But I'm saying that the content on that is not as radio friendly as all the ones we just named before.

[C]

Oh, I'm not talking.

[B]

That's what I'm talking about a whole nother.

[C]

I'm not talking about radio friendly nothing. I'm talking about the quality. Quality of the record. Like, that's what I'm speaking to. I don't care what the radio thinks. I'm saying that record, when you have a R B hook as a rapper that can really rap and can really style and you got charisma on the tracking, that is a layup for you. When you get a. They send Wale that. And that was open beat. And then El Me came in on the hook with that. Wale probably was like, oh, my. Like, he probably did this song in 15 minutes. But that's a layup for a. That could rap.

[B]

He might have wrote that. Sounds like a Wally hook too. He might have wrote that hook.

[A]

Get it together is by 702.

[C]

702, yes. I mean, that's little SWV.

[B]

Yeah. And I just found out like, yesterday that that's the area code.

[C]

I never knew Vegas.

[B]

I never knew that. That's why they were called something. But. Yeah, I don't know if this is like, on the same level. We're gonna push this as a single. I'm just happy he put the record out. But he's one of the few rappers that I feel like keeps that genre of rap alive. Of the 16 R&B hook. 16. Because that used to be the standard for everyone. Like, you had to have that record in the mid-2000s of here's my Girl record.

[C]

No, that's.

[B]

And that kind of disappeared.

[C]

That formula is Classic. It's a timeless formula, no doubt about it. And Wale has done it time and time again and done it at a high level. He just did it with Leon Thomas last year. So was that this year?

[A]

Last year?

[B]

Last year, end of last year, November last year. Yeah, but the record really started to pop.

[C]

Yeah. So we know that's what Wale does. Like, I'm just saying now I want to hear Wale get into a different bag. Like, just give us something. Cause Leon Thomas record is still. That shit is still going off. So then to come with this record now, it's kind of like, you know what I mean? Like, is this going to step on that a little bit?

[B]

I like that he's putting out music. I like that. No, I love music that Cardi, I mean, by Cardi's timeline is coming back quick. When the Cardi's album come out two years ago.

[C]

Not two years ago. It's been two years already.

[A]

No, it was last year. Came out last year.

[B]

Last year, yeah. That's quick for Cardi to come right back.

[C]

No,

[A]

she keeps a song. She takes a long time to do an album. But her song, she always releases a song. I don't think that that's that quick for loose.

[B]

She'll have one or two. Yeah, but again, I just like that

[A]

people are releasing music.

[B]

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But you know, as a reputable news channel that we are, we have. We have to deliver what the people want. Were we to not deliver the facts right. Jason Lee on Monday, put out a trailer for an interview with ASAP Rocky where he does say this. Reboxing edge.

[C]

Would you fight Drake being knuckled like

[B]

the Irish you took already boxing now? This is coming out on Wednesday. We don't know how that was clipped. Could be a whole big misunderstanding. And the people over at BET who looks like they produced this with Jason

[C]

Lee, well, if it's anybody that's gonna clip up something to give it a misunderstanding, let me tell you who the king of that may be. It might be Jason Lee. He gonna clip up some shit and create some energy around something that may or may not be taken out of context in the clip.

[B]

I'm speaking out of turn. I don't completely know, but doesn't Jason kind of pride himself in being pretty factual when it comes to gossip standards?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like he's not Tasha K. Right?

[C]

But when it's something like this, him asking Rocky would he fight Drake.

[B]

Great question, by the way.

[C]

Though, of course, you know, he. Rocky may have said something else right after that, but somewhere in there, if Rocky says bare knuckle, like, the Irish

[B]

could have been referring to the clip.

[C]

Yeah, he's gonna clip that together. So, I mean, you know, just get the people going. That's so.

[B]

I mean, as long as there's not semen on the floor, I think it'll be a good fight.

[C]

Yeah. If it's semen on the floor, the Rocky don't stand a chance. It's over.

[B]

Or. Or he. He has experience.

[C]

He got his semen legs.

[B]

He does have his sea legs.

[C]

He has his sea legs.

[B]

Who do y' all think going in with experience? You never know. He. He now knows how it feels. Yeah.

[C]

He knows how to plant his feet.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, watch out for that. It's like black ice. Like, you watch, you know, on the roads where. When it's black ice, you know, like. Nah, I'm not.

[B]

He's hydroplane before.

[C]

Yeah. I'm not getting in that lane over there. I'm not gonna do that. I know how that. The water freezes over there. Like.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, of course, I don't want to see anyone fight if it's a controlled fight that everyone agrees to. I'm always here for that type of. But obviously, I don't think either of them would fight. But, you know, put. Put peace to the side. Who y' all got? Rocky, 10, nine. Drake, 10, nine. How many rounds?

[C]

Rocky and Drake are not fighting.

[B]

Of course not.

[C]

It's not gonna happen. That will never happen.

[B]

I agree with you.

[C]

It will never happen.

[A]

Why do you think it'll never happen?

[C]

Because I don't think Rocky and Drake are ever gonna be in close enough proximity to even getting into a fight.

[A]

No, that's never gonna happen.

[B]

Drake and ASAP, Rocky would need $1 billion to fight each other. Each other, which is. I mean, with the fighting market now and gambling market that is attainable, I don't think.

[C]

I don't think Drake is.

[A]

Is.

[C]

Is doing that. He's not getting a ring box glove sanctioned fight.

[B]

He offered that to Kendrick, though. And I believed him when he was like, let's. Let's just put the gloves on and fight. That was a rumor from both sides that that happened behind the scenes. I don't know if that's true. You'll have to ask Glasses Malone, because he knows everything. But.

[C]

But, yeah, but I don't know if that was like, yo, let's get a bag for it. No, they probably was like, yo, we. Let's meet up. Let's catch a fade. And no cameras. No. No homies.

[B]

Yeah. No.

[C]

Yeah. I think that's the only way that would happen with these two.

[B]

That's what I'm speaking to it.

[C]

That billion dollars, like, set it up.

[B]

I know. And then I said. I pivoted to what the rumor was with the Kendrick, that Drake is not above fighting without cameras. And just, you know, I don't think

[C]

no man is above that.

[B]

That there's a lot of men that are. Square one.

[C]

Yeah. I'll take that back. It's definitely. I may. I may or may not know a few, but, yeah, there's. There's men that are above. Above fighting, like, meeting up, and that's just square.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I. I've seen. I've seen some footage of. Of Drake sparring. He doesn't. He doesn't look like he doesn't know what he's doing.

[A]

Doing.

[B]

He looked all right in the ring as far as mechanics go. That obviously changes no matter what when you're in a fight, but mechanics are important.

[C]

Mechanics are important.

[B]

Out of all the rappers that we've seen of their sparring or hitting the bag videos, Drake does have one of the better ones. He's one of the few rappers that actually looks like he kind of knew what he was doing in the ring. But then again, you know, Rocky has slid on semen and Rikers, and that's. That's a world I don't. I don't know. And I don't know if I could survive that, even with the mechanics I have. I think I may lose that Rikers fight.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think it's really just depends the environment.

[C]

I don't know. I just don't. You know, this is just. It's just for talk. I really don't wrap my brain around this.

[B]

Obviously, we'll watch it and we'll. We'll talk about it on our Thursday recording Friday episode. But there was more in that trailer. Jason did ask him, did you steal Rihanna? And he was like, nah, here's what happened. And it appeared like that was the cliffhanger that he was going to tell the history.

[C]

Here's what happened. Barefist knuckles. Bare knuckles. Like the Irish.

[B]

I. Not that I care, but I'm still here for the. The history of the three of them. They've been rapping about it enough.

[C]

Yeah, but do we need. What haven't we Heard though. Like what? Don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

I don't need to hear about.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Rihanna's past with her exes. I don't think that's. I, I would like to just hear about her and Rocky's love story. I feel like she's caught enough strays and all of this. People always bringing her up.

[B]

Well, I think that's what he was about to get into was more the love story.

[C]

Not.

[A]

Yeah, I care about that.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I wouldn't want to buy bringing up my ex every time they talk about me. That would irritate the. Out of me. I don't care how famous he is. So just like.

[B]

But also Rocky, and this is not a dig at Jason Lee whatsoever. We've said we think he's one of the better interviewers from the. From the gossip world. Rocky knew what he was doing by taking a Jason Lee interview. Like he's here for the boat. Like you.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Rocky's not being blindsided. He knows the questions that Jason Lee is going to ask, to be fair.

[A]

But him and Jason Lee and Rihanna all have a very close relationship.

[B]

Yeah. Great.

[A]

Jason Lee is very close to Rihanna.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So. So it's. It's messy. Yes. But it's. You have more control over.

[C]

There's a level of flexibility too.

[A]

Yeah. There's a level of comfort. There's some shit that Jason Lee won't ask him out of pure respect for his friendship.

[C]

I don't think. I don't think it's anything Jason won't ask him. I think it's shit that Jason know won't get cut.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like he won't be able to put it out. Like, I think he knows that. So in return. Yes. He knows what not to ask him because he knows that they wouldn't. They wouldn't. Okay. That's all.

[B]

Or I just think Jason will ask any question but knows a way to ask it if that makes any. How to frame it because he may know the. He. He probably knows the answer already and is going to set it up in a way that you still get the truth, but in a favorable way of how it goes. But I mean, interesting timing. Why is that album's been out and I'm not saying you shouldn't continue to. To promote. You always should middle of a tour. I mean, I, I figured this would have happened before or around the time the tour was announced and album time, but I mean we're in a new era where you got to keep promoting your album for Years after it's out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm not ever mad at a rapper doing an interview months after the album, but just, just interesting timing.

[C]

We'll find a way to stay in the algorithm, that's all.

[B]

Man, Rocky's selling out arenas.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, he's gonna do that.

[A]

He's so gorgeous. It's a nice looking man like that. He's gorgeous.

[B]

Rocky's a like you like that.

[A]

That was crazy.

[B]

Wow, look at that Rocky going, you like that?

[C]

Asking you will be crazy. Imagine the mess. She said, he's a good looking man.

[A]

Yeah, he's a gorgeous. He's a gorgeous guy.

[B]

I think, I think Rocky's a handsome guy.

[C]

That's what's up.

[B]

You can, you can't identify when a man is. Is universally handsome to. To women.

[C]

I've never looked at a man and said he's universally handsome.

[B]

But you're aware that being around women that would be enough that they find, you know, that most women find that guy attractive.

[C]

Like, I mean, I could. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, you see a guy, but like he's, he has, he has a, A good rapport with the ladies like him. Yeah, but I've never said, yo, he's universally handsome.

[B]

No, I think he.

[A]

You can walk in a room and it's five niggas in there and you gonna know which one the girl's gonna like. Like, even before you see him interact with girls, you could tell which one the girls will find attractive.

[C]

Who, me?

[A]

Yes, you.

[C]

I don't know. I don't look at enough like that to know that I'm.

[B]

I'm comfortable myself.

[C]

I didn't walk in the room and didn't even see who.

[B]

I know, I know, I know when a man is handsome.

[C]

That's what's up.

[B]

Now sometimes when, when the trend hit, when like the medium ugly and then the really ugly guys started being popular, then I got. Got confused. I didn't know who I should fear when I was at the party. Well, now the playing field was so confusing.

[C]

Well, now it just got to be clavicular.

[B]

Has brought the world back to traditional, traditionally handsome men who. Listen, man, you're not up. You're not up to date, bro.

[C]

We.

[B]

We mog. You.

[C]

I don't know who the hell that is. I don't know who you.

[B]

Hockey Ben. Look, maxing, you're just a jester, bro.

[C]

That's what's up.

[B]

But yeah, we'll watch the interview, we'll talk about it at the. The end of the week. Is There anything that we absolutely have to get to? I do have to grab Amara relatively soon. I took her to the Bronx Zoo where they have like, giraffes, lions, gorillas, and she cried because there was no pigs or cows.

[A]

I mean, that's her vibe.

[C]

Like, that makes sense. Yeah, that's all brand. That's all brand for Amara.

[B]

So then I bought her a Peppa Pig in the. The. In the gift shop. Cuz we couldn't find pigs.

[A]

I was say you would have probably. It would have been cheaper just to take her to a farm.

[B]

I was like, we could have stayed in Jersey. Why the did I just drive an hour and a half to the Bronx?

[C]

You want to really give her a good time? Walk her past the butcher market right there in the corner.

[B]

You mean scar her for life so she could never look at a dog the same?

[C]

Show that pig hanging up on that metal hook down the block.

[B]

Yo, I was parked on our block. This was last weekend maybe. And they had the pig truck open usually, you know, they're hanging. They just had homie, like, laid out on the floor like of the truck bed hanging. I was like, at least properly hang him up.

[C]

You eat that?

[B]

I don't eat pork that often. I really.

[C]

You eat it, though.

[B]

Yeah. No. Bacon is delicious, but I'll take that out of my brain.

[A]

Have y' all seen Obsession with Obsessed or Obsessed? Obsessed or Obsession. Name of that movie Obsession. Yeah, I had it right.

[B]

The one with Beyonce.

[C]

And I feel like I have.

[A]

I feel like I know that the new movie Obsession.

[B]

Oh, no, I haven't.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Movies in theaters.

[A]

So it was. But now it's on Peacock. Go and watch it and tell me who you think the villain is.

[C]

That was one of those who done it.

[A]

No, it ain't who done it, but just watch. Just. We'll go home and watch it. It's actually very funny. It's a horror movie that's funny as Horror Romance.

[C]

Obsession. Okay, what does the trailer say? After breaking the mysterious one wish Willow to win his crush's heart, a hopeless romantic gets exactly what he asked for. However, he soon discovers that some desires come at a dark and sinister price.

[B]

Okay, the way you're speaking, I feel like he's the problem.

[A]

Just watch the movie.

[C]

Just the way Obsession. I'm gonna check that out.

[B]

Out.

[A]

It's on Peacock. It wasn't. It wasn't it? I think it is some. Still in some theaters, but it's like movie of the year outside of Odyssey. Yeah.

[C]

What Obsession. Yeah, it says the budget was 750,000? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, 750,000. They made, like, what did they open to? Yeah.

[C]

At least said it cost 10 million to make it 750,000.

[B]

Like the lowest movie budget I've ever heard.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, it grows 17.2 million on opening weekend.

[C]

Oh, you talking about flipping the brick.

[B]

God, them. And that's just opening. Oh, my God.

[C]

Yeah, because those.

[B]

Good for them.

[A]

Yeah, those numbers, that's, like, low. But that's a very low budget. Under a million dollars for a movie.

[C]

That's like, gross. 17 in the first weekend, bro.

[B]

You know, low budget films.

[C]

5 million 470. It's gross. 474 million so far.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Who produced that? That's the illest ever.

[A]

Because it's a. It's an original story, remember? And it's an original story. And those work now. People are tired of seeing the same curry barker director.

[C]

Wow. Salute to whoever produced that one. That was crazy.

[B]

Oh, all right. They still didn't meet Beat my guys, though.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Napoleon Dynamite. $400,000. That probably grossed a billion.

[C]

Yeah, that's probably the illness.

[B]

They made that for 400 grand, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[A]

DVD sales is, wow, a throwback. But yeah, it's a good movie. I saw that. I watched Strong with Chloe Bailey, which I like the beginning of it. And then it got. I started real. I started seeing Tyler Perry's pen midway through the movie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it was good. But then I started seeing Tyler Perry's pen, and I was like, ah.

[B]

Did they give her a real shot at acting? Because in the. The other show, I feel like they just used.

[A]

No, she was the main character in this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And she's a very good actress.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

The writing is what I had an issue. What I had an issue with. Yeah, the writing is what I had an issue with. But she. That first half of the movie is really good, and then it takes a turn. You like. I don't know why the. Y' all did that. Yeah, so I watched that. I watched. I was watching yesterday.

[C]

None of y' all watched Tuner yet. Y' all still didn't watch Tuner?

[B]

No.

[C]

All right, man. Y', all.

[B]

You told us. What is that? You told us to watch that.

[C]

Yeah, last week. Last Thursday. I told you I watched that tuna.

[B]

I'll add that one last recommendation.

[C]

Dustin Hoffman is in it.

[B]

Oh, I'm here for that.

[A]

I'm about to leave here and go see Spider Man.

[B]

I do want to see Spider Man.

[C]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[A]

What?

[B]

Without me what's up?

[C]

I thought we were supposed to go see Spider Man.

[A]

We ain't.

[B]

We ain't.

[A]

You ain't never thought no like that, cuz. We never said we was going to see. We was going to see the last Spider man together from.

[C]

We had. We had. We had to talk about this. We was talking about movies, though, when we.

[A]

Yeah, when you first hired me, we were supposed to go see.

[C]

No, man. You told me you bringing up old. That's what y' all women like to do. I'm talking about. We got past that. When we was talking about movies, like, three weeks ago and we said Spider man was coming out, we agreed to go see it.

[B]

It's been like four different Peter Parkers since you guys originally talked about.

[A]

No, it's the same Peter Parker. It's just every phase of his life. Like

[C]

Baby D. No, it's up.

[B]

You own.

[A]

Hey, sorry. Never called me. Set a date, sent me a ticket. No, nothing.

[C]

Nothing.

[A]

All right, so I'm gonna take myself, me, myself and I. Is all I got in the end. That's what I found out. I'm gonna be my own best friend.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

I did watch the Idaho Murders, the number one on Netflix right now. And as someone that likes the crime docs, I. I think we gotta draw a line somewhere, guys. Of course, we all have warped and crazy brains that we all love crime docs because they're true. Like, real people are dying, lying. This one is like, you don't even get some of the satisfaction of trying to solve the crime. It's just some psychopath that murdered four innocent college kids. Like, I don't need three episodes of this. I don't even want to know this happened. And there's no disrespect to the families, anything like that. Just certain things I don't think my brain needs to hear about.

[C]

I agree, because that. That the other doc on Netflix, Maternal Instinct.

[B]

I. I heard the first 10 minutes

[C]

of that was crazy.

[A]

I was on the phone with somebody while they were watching it and I was like, wow, I'm cool.

[C]

No. Like, to know that there's people that will go to those depths of their lives and, like, really do. Like, that is scary. Like. Like, you could have just been like, yo, I'm lying.

[A]

Yo, I'm lying.

[C]

Because everybody knew he was lying anyway. Like, you really was like, no. And then, like, went and did the craziest shit. Jussie did the craziest shit you could ever do. I'm like, how is this real? Like, that? I'm not going to lie that that's one documentary that really had me, like, sitting there like, this is. This is fucking insane. Yeah.

[B]

And now with this, this doc, obviously the case is getting way more attention. It was a popular case. I didn't know about it, but once, you know, you watch a doc, you start googling in the middle the of it. Apparently it did get a lot of press when it did happen, but now the kid that admitted to it and obviously did it is taking back his plea and is trying to get a new trial. This is the Idaho murders.

[C]

Oh, the Idaho murders, though.

[B]

And yeah, it's just.

[A]

I.

[B]

It's sick that some of the crime docs and that stuff, there is some satisfaction, like Zodiac killer. That's awful because that many people died. But there's like, how can I solve this myself?

[C]

Right?

[B]

This is just like, yo, let me tell you about some psychopath that killed four innocent kids. That's it. That's the dopamine that you get from that.

[A]

Yep, People like it. There's another documentary on Netflix about. They're in jail talking to the girl who killed her. They're trying to figure out if she killed her boyfriend on purpose or accident. Remember we talked about that case when it first happened, is what I told y'? All, that. That people's brains didn't develop to a certain age and all of that. Yeah, the documentary changed my mind. She's like, I was trying to give her a little bit of bail. She was wrong. But I was saying, like, she's young, like, her brain isn't fully developed. I was watching her now, like, no, it's fully developed now. And, yeah, there's something wrong, something off with that girl still to this day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, when I ran into a brick wall and tried to kill everybody in the car, she the only one that survived.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

[A]

The crash. Mackenzie Shrilla. We talked about the original case when it first happened.

[C]

Yeah, that was wild out.

[B]

Those kids were so traumatized. They're. They're roommates. And of course, everyone has the conspiracy for it, but there's no conspiracy. The kid that they admitted he did it, he did the. Like, there's evidence, DNA. He said he did it. Their roommates didn't call the cops for.

[C]

Why do you keep going back to the Idaho? Shut the up about that documentary, Rory?

[A]

Yeah, why?

[B]

God damn.

[C]

No, I'm just saying.

[B]

Did you know one of the victims?

[C]

No.

[B]

Damaris, my condolences.

[C]

Camaris went to a whole another documentary and he come back. Yo, it was so crazy. I'm thinking he's talking about the documentary the Maris was talking about.

[B]

She was talking about the developmental health of that person. And I was going to compare it to the Idaho doc where the two roommates that were not murdered were so traumatized that they didn't call the police for eight hours. They just laid in a apartment with four of their dead friends with stab wounds.

[A]

Oh, that's crazy.

[C]

Yeah, no, that's. That's.

[B]

So I was tying it to that.

[C]

I was just going back to, that's some witch. I going somewhere and my friends are dead. I'm not sitting in there for eight hours talking about, what are we going to do?

[B]

I mean, originally everyone thought they did it because it was like, why'd you take eight hours? They were killed.

[C]

That's what anybody would think. You was in here for eight hours with these dead bodies and y' all

[B]

just called the police, which is so crazy. They definitely didn't do it. And another kid definitely did it, which is wild. Cuz I would have been like, what? What were y' all doing for eight hours?

[C]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. I'm not sitting nowhere where they sleep

[B]

or like they said that they were so traumatized. I don't know, it's weird. But again, there's no conspiracy like, that kid did this. It's DNA, his phone, like he said he did it.

[C]

There's nothing I could see. They had some traumatized me for eight hours that I don't call the police.

[B]

They didn't even know the kid. Yeah, no, that is. That is nuts to not call the cops.

[C]

But yeah, like I'm traumatized. What? Yeah, as soon as I see it, I'm traumatized. And I'm picking up my phone, police like this, bodies everywhere and I'm black. So I know what y' all gonna try to do.

[B]

It ain't me in Idaho.

[C]

Yeah, it ain't me. Get your get here now so we can figure out who this.

[B]

Imagine the cops show up in his mall with his snapback on and the Jesus piece in Idaho.

[C]

Man, it wasn't me. Don't give a fuck what I got on. I'm calling the police. I am your. I'm an ally. Fuck that Idaho. It will hang my ass out. That's gonna be the quickest trial ever. Yeah, he did it. No, I'm cool.

[B]

Yeah, it's a shut case. Well, voicemails weren't really that great this week, right? Nothing pressing?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, some bleak ones. All right, maybe on Patreon. We'll get into some Bleak voicemails. While Bleak isn't here, we could just

[A]

call them, have them answer the Bleak

[B]

interview did well, man. I think people liked was good. Yeah, Bleak. Bleak is made for pocket.

[C]

People didn't know Bleak. That personality, he's.

[B]

He's hilarious.

[C]

I like like that. I like when people find out like, oh, personality, yeah. You know, rappers get that stigma of. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, no, Bleak is. He has. He has a lot of personality.

[B]

He was very shout out to Bleak.

[A]

Very sweet, very sweet and personable. Yeah, y' all have bust some rappers here that were not name them and funny, but he was very sweet. Like, yeah, like he gives little brother energy. Od. He gives little brother energy. Little brother, like, yeah, like, I mean, he's grown, but he gives that. He was a little brother in his past life. He gives little brother energy. Like giggly, silly, like that kind of thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Doesn't take himself too serious, like.

[B]

But I appreciate people like Bleak. People like Guru that like, hang with the Illuminati will literally still treat every single human being that they meet the same way and the kindest way ever.

[C]

That's because they know they can kill everybody in the room and get away with it.

[B]

That is true. Not in Idaho. In.

[C]

Not in Idaho. In Manhattan.

[B]

Get away with Murder in Manhattan is. That's a stat.

[C]

Murder in Manhattan Murder. Sounds like a documentary to me. Murder in Manhattan starring.

[B]

Well, this was fun. We will be back a couple times this week.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

Patreon.com New Rory Mall there's merch Ryan. We in the Sweet tonight in the garden. You got the plug.

[C]

Sweet Ryan Sweet.

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We're gonna stop at Sweet Green with Sweet Ryan.

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Sweet Greens with Sweet Ryan.

[B]

Do not call. Well, everyone have a wonderful Tuesday or whatever. You are listening to this.

[C]

Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just ginger. Peace.

[B]

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