Episode 529 | Get In The Ring

Summary

New Rory & Mal – Episode 529 | "Get In The Ring"

Release Date: August 7, 2026
Hosts: Rory, Mall, Damaris

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Rory & Mal is classic, bouncing between hilarious banter, deep dives into music industry feuds, reflections on health and life changes, and spirited debates on everything from barber shop etiquette to hypothetical celebrity boxing matches. The episode’s thematic core revolves around conflict—playful, personal, and in the wider world of hip hop and pop culture—hence the title, "Get In The Ring." Discussions touch on recent interviews, viral moments, the ever-evolving landscape of music stardom, and the sometimes blurry line between privacy and public spectacle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Health Updates & Lifestyle Changes

[03:14 – 05:11]

• Rory shares updates on his recovery from a stroke, including health anxiety and ongoing issues like vertigo and brain fatigue.
  • Quote:
    “I have had paranoia because the day that I had the stroke, I felt completely fine… That's always in the back of my head. Like I could just fall out real quick, even without a symptom.” – Rory [04:16]
• Humorous note on returning to unhealthy habits if his health clears up:
  • “If it's cleared up, dude, we're back to fucking coke. Dmt, cognac.” – Rory [05:00]

2. The ‘Open Market’ and Influence Opportunities

[05:13 – 06:10]

• Banter about brand shoutouts and sponsorships stemming from their public personas and viral content.
  • “I'm in the open market, though… Like, I'm a free agent.” – Rory [05:40]

3. Internet Beef & Real-World Accountability

[06:29 – 07:55]

• Discussion on people talking tough online but rarely following through in person.
  • “You've never heard me say a threat on the Internet because I know I'm gonna run into somebody, and I'm gonna have to back up those words.” – Rory [07:01]
• Reflections on the disconnect between social media threats and real interactions, especially among mutual acquaintances.

4. Summer Jobs & Barbershop Culture

[11:02 – 18:18]

• Nostalgic stories about summer jobs and the formative role of the barbershop in community and social life.
  • “You know who was who, you knew who killed who... That was the first version of selling your data.” – Rory [13:21]
• Damaris reflects on the unique gossip culture of barbershops, noting that men gossip just as much as women.
  • "I know the way men gossip, ‘cuz I work here. But … when I heard the way men was gossiping in that barber shop, I was like, wow.” – Damaris [13:27]
• Debate on whether women should be present in barbershops—a recurring theme of gendered spaces and boundaries.
  • “Women should not be in a barbershop… That's like a man's sanctuary… Therapy is having conversations, talking shit.” – Mall [15:15]

5. The ASAP Rocky x Jason Lee Interview Recap

[19:02 – 26:38]

• Both Rory and Damaris share takeaways from ASAP Rocky’s viral Jason Lee interview.
  • Rocky’s comments on Ferg distancing himself from ASAP, the ongoing friction, and openness to reconciliation.
  • “There’s no shit that we can’t fix…we can fix this with a conversation.” — Rocky, recapped by Rory [23:29]
• Fun details about Rocky and Rihanna's low-key lifestyle ("Rihanna be in the back of Walmart, barefoot, cooking on the grill" - [24:07])

Rihanna & Rocky – Should They Make Music Together?

• Rocky's honesty:
  • “Nobody wants to hear that shit, bro.” (on a full Rocky & Rihanna album) – via Rory [26:00]
• Hosts agree that one song together is cool, but a joint album is unnecessary.

6. Hypothetical Boxing Matches & Celebrity Fights

[26:38 – 33:12]

• Spirited hypotheticals about a Drake vs. ASAP Rocky boxing match, monetization, and the idea of fighting for a bag.
  • “That would be the most watched event probably in Netflix history.” – Mall [28:01]
• Personal boundaries: Mall and Rory agree they would not fight each other, even for money, highlighting their friendship.
  • “They couldn’t pay me enough to fight Rory.” – Mall [31:41]

7. Cam’ron vs. Cardi B’s Team: The ‘Revenge Porn’ Threat

[46:09 – 54:24]

• Recap of Cam'ron’s blowup over not being paid for a verse and threats to expose team members’ private sexual preferences.
  • “If y’all don’t give me my money…I got the text messages. I leak everything.” – Cam’ron, recounted by Rory [48:04]
• Hosts call out this as blackmail and potentially revenge porn, noting how it's not okay—but also debate whether public exposure of this kind even impacts people as it once did.
  • “You shouldn’t leak intimates.” – Rory [51:43]
  • “That being like your canvas, to be fair, that’s like blackmail. You just admitted to it.” – Damaris [50:07]

8. Pop Star Trajectories: Zara Larsson vs. Olivia Dean

[59:34 – 65:54]

• Damaris argues Zara Larsson could become a Britney-level superstar with the right backing.
  • “To be a major pop star now, you kind of need that, like, you want people to fall in love with you and not just the music.” – Damaris [61:24]
• Debates about what makes a "superstar" in today's pop market, including charisma, appeal to "the blacks" (crossover appeal), and performative qualities.

9. National Anthem Viral Fails

[68:12 – 72:27]

• The gang listens to viral clips of botched national anthem performances, including the infamous Carl Lewis version.
  • “I'll make up for it now…” – Carl Lewis, quoted by Mall [70:50]
  • “She ain’t understand it either.” – Damaris [70:53]

10. Who'd Motivate Firefighters? John Legend, Travis Scott, or...

[73:02 – 77:47]

• Banter about John Legend performing “Ordinary People” for firefighters and which artists would actually motivate first responders.
  • “John Legend is not firehouse music.” – Mall [76:32]
• Shoutouts to firefighters and discussion about their work conditions.

11. Artist Eras: "If They Came Out Today..."

[85:00 – 106:16]

• Deep dive prompted by a listener voicemail: Which artists would have fared better (or worse) in another era?
  • “If any rapper was to come out now with the skill set of a Beanie Siegel…it's gonna be unanimous—like, yo, that dude is nice.” – Mall [94:01]
• Hypotheses include:
  • Keith Sweat struggling in the 2000s due to vocals [92:16]
  • Most Def being more successful in Tyler-the-Creator’s era [97:01]
  • Coco Jones being bigger in the 2011 R&B wave [105:08]
  • Griselda thriving in the 90s, ODB as a Twitch superstar
  • Dom Kennedy would have tanked if he’d signed to MMG instead of staying indie

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On men and allergies:
  • “A man asked me what my ick was one time. I was like, that's allergic to the earth.” – Damaris [02:54]
• On barbershop secrets:
  • “That was the first version of selling your data.” – Rory [13:23]
• On private feuds going public:
  • “Some artists, if you ask me to do a verse and you don’t keep it, that got nothing to do with me...you have to pay me for my time.” – Rory [48:18]
• On “outing” and scandal impact today:
  • “Nobody cares about that. We don’t watch people get sexually assaulted. They can still support them.” – Mall [56:32]
• On classic pop stardom:
  • “I feel like nowadays it takes more than just the music. You gotta have something.” – Damaris [62:21]
• On the legacy of botched anthems:
  • "Carl Lewis said, I'm about to make up for it. Yo, I'm about to make up for it, bro." – Mall & Damaris [70:57]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• Health/Lifestyle Changes: [03:14–05:11]
• Barbershop Etiquette & Gossip: [12:10–18:18]
• Celebrity Fights Hypotheticals: [26:38–33:12]
• ASAP Rocky Interview Breakdown: [19:02–26:38]
• Cam’ron-Cardi B Feud / Outing Threat: [46:09–54:24]
• Pop Star Power Rankings: [59:34–65:54]
• National Anthem Fails: [68:12–72:27]
• Artist Eras / Sliding Doors: [85:00–106:16]

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Tone, Language & Flow

• Playful, irreverent, candid. The hosts blend real reflection (health, career growth) with comic detachment and hip hop/NYC-centric humor.
• Frequent friendly insults, inside jokes, and cultural references—classic Rory & Mal style.
• Conversational, but never superficial: Behind every bit is keen social observation, whether it's the economics of feuds or the reality behind pop stardom.

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Final Takeaways

This episode pulses with trademark New Rory & Mal energy: sharp humor, generational hip hop wisdom, and intimate, unfiltered views on life’s randomness and music’s power to inspire debate. Whether pondering why National Anthem performances go viral or why Drake and Rocky will never actually fight (but people would pay to see it), the hosts never let things get stale. Fan-favorite bits (barbershop talk, pop star debates) and thoughtful debates about industry ethics ensure this episode is as insightful as it is entertaining—even as the lines between hot takes and heartfelt moments blur as only Rory, Mal, and Damaris can manage.

Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Are men allowed to have allergies?

[Mall]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. I could feel Damaris getting the ick over there. You blowing your nose.

[Damaris]

A man asked me what my ick was one time. I was like, that's allergic to the earth.

[Rory]

Yeah. You're never supposed to be here.

[Damaris]

It's like natural selection.

[Rory]

My bad. Was it. Do we go too far?

[Mall]

No, not at all. Feel great.

[Rory]

I'm glad you're feeling better.

[Mall]

Yeah, I feel great.

[Rory]

How's your week?

[Mall]

Week is good, man. How's yours? You look good.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Mall]

Feeling better?

[Rory]

Yeah. I went to my first follow up, my first neurology follow up Tuesday, which is like the main one, which I. I wish I would have been able to get one earlier, but that was the soonest one did. The cardiologist was fine, got the heart monitor out. That wasn't it. I was hoping to have some answers from the neurologist and like, all the blood work I did, I think I'm in the 30% of people my age that you'll just never figure out what caused your stroke.

[Mall]

Oh, wow.

[Rory]

Yeah, I thought I was gonna. They thought it was something with my blood. I still have to go to a hematologist. I believe that's called to do some extra blood work. But she's like, be honest with you, you may just fall in that 30%. Yeah.

[Mall]

So. So it's just minor changes to your lifestyle, I guess.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's just. I mean, I've. I've obviously joked about on the show to make sure, like, this doesn't get too serious, but I will say that that did suck on Tuesday because I have had paranoia because the day that I had the stroke, I did, I felt completely fine. Like I was just walking down.

[Mall]

Ha ha ha.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, felt fine.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

So that's always in the back of my head. Like I could just. Just fall out real quick.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Even without a symptom. So I was hoping to know exactly what it was, but, you know, guess we'll never know.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry. So that means, like all of your lifestyle changes have to remain lifestyle changes? Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, for the most part. In three months, they said. Usually symptoms like start to go away and shit clears up because, like, I still have vertigo pretty regularly. Headaches like brain fatigue and shit. But, you know, Hopefully, I think September 30th or some shit like that is when I have another MRI just to see. And then, I mean, if it's cleared up, dude, we're back to fucking coke. Dmt, cognac.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Yeah. But other than that, I feel great.

[Mall]

Yeah, man. You look good, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, I feel. I feel good.

[Mall]

They seem to love our. Our. I'm getting a lot of calls about our. Our. Our trip to the cold show. They seem to love your voiceover and your sunscreen. Did Banana Boat call you yet?

[Rory]

No, not yet. I do that. I do that one off the strength. That's for the love.

[Damaris]

Did you tag them?

[Rory]

What? What is that?

[Damaris]

You didn't tag them?

[Rory]

I should have.

[Mall]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you gotta tag them.

[Rory]

Here's my. I'm in the open market, though. Because, listen, I.

[Mall]

There's open market. It's hilarious. You're in the open market?

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, I'm a free agent. I don't want anyone to think, like, I'm just. You're not married if you're out there.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

You're not married to Banana Boat. Like. Yeah.

[Rory]

And you shouldn't even put Banana Boat on your face like that.

[Mall]

No. I. I still don't understand how and why you did that. But, you know.

[Rory]

Yeah, I have a sunscreen for my face. But, yeah, Banana Boat's good. Like, if you're just running out, you

[Mall]

know, real quick, and hopefully you're going to the beach or the pool. Like, you not inside Barclays. Like, I just.

[Rory]

I was gonna go. Me and Damaris were gonna go to the USB arena, so we found out it wasn't safe.

[Mall]

Oh, it's not safe. Right. Such. It was safe when I went to Barclays. It was. Everybody was loving the crowd. Everybody. You know, show love. Like, it's always one. Right. It's always one out there.

[Rory]

But my thing with all that is, I understand the, like, the faceless. Not even bots. Just people that have accounts where they won't show who they are. Any information. You'll never run into them. They'll never leave their house. Then there's people that you know but will never leave their house. People that speak that way. That there is a very high chance I'm gonna run into you.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm not. I was never the aggressor. You were the one saying all that. So why aren't you doing what you said you were gonna do when we were on the Internet?

[Mall]

We'll never know.

[Rory]

You've never heard me say a threat on the Internet because I know I'm gonna run into somebody.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

And I'm gonna have to back up those words.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

So I'm just curious. Not of the people that are weirdos in their basement. Whatever. We. We've. We know that exists and always will.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I'm talking about the people. We have 39 mutuals.

[Mall]

We're mutually gonna see each other, some

[Rory]

of which stay at my house when they come to New York.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All of the things, man. All of the things.

[Rory]

It's just like. I don't know. We're in our 30s and 40s.

[Mall]

What I'm drinking. I'm just trying to, you know, I mean, I'm just trying to be healthy. Baby D. So, Baby D, what's up?

[Damaris]

Hi.

[Mall]

How you been?

[Damaris]

I'm okay.

[Mall]

You all right. You sure? You ovulating?

[Damaris]

You have to stop asking me that, cuz.

[Mall]

I mean, when your energy is a little, like, tree, like, you know, like, melancholy.

[Damaris]

And that's not. That's not what ovulating is. When I come in here and I'm like, hey, Pe. Like, let's go get a drink. Like, ovulating is, like, social, horny.

[Mall]

PMS.

[Rory]

Sweet peas.

[Damaris]

I'm not PMSing.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. I thought peas. Medicine is the opposite of ovulating, though, right?

[Damaris]

In a. In a sense, yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

What does ovulating, like, feel like?

[Damaris]

It feels. It feels differently for different women. For me, before I got my ovary taken out, there was some cramping. Your skin glows. Like, you have more energy.

[Mall]

That's why I asked you. See, Your skin is glowing.

[Damaris]

Oh, thank you. I didn't wear as much makeup as I usually do today.

[Mall]

See? Okay. But I wasn't that far off. I knew something different. I'm looking over there.

[Damaris]

I'm like, okay, yeah, your skin glows. You get. You're more social. Things like that, because it's the time for you to. It's the time when you're most likely to get pregnant. The universe wants you and God and nature wants you to go out. Me?

[Mall]

And find a mate.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Coochie. Turning the egg whites, all of that.

[Mall]

Yeah, sure. I love it.

[Rory]

Shout out to God in the circle of life.

[Mall]

Father Time and Mother Nature. Nothing like it.

[Rory]

Have you seen that? That photo on Twitter that's going viral of, like, five women in, like, a river, and they're all half naked, and it's like, I now understand why Christopher Columbus conquered this place. Like, what would you have done if you pulled up? If you pulled up.

[Mall]

It's crazy in the river, naked. It's a party. It's a jamboree.

[Rory]

Let's make a. An Accurate cartoon about it anyways. Damaris, how are you? How's your week going? How you feeling? Besides the skin glowing?

[Damaris]

It's okay.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I'm okay. How are you?

[Rory]

Cool.

[Damaris]

I'm surviving. You ain't dead yet. That's wonderful. Ma got allergies, but other than that, he's fine.

[Mall]

I'm great.

[Damaris]

We holding it together.

[Mall]

I'm great. I just, you know, summertime allergies sometimes, you know, everybody want to cut their lawn.

[Damaris]

Oh, how dare they?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, you know.

[Rory]

Oh, I forgot you live, like, where people have lawns. Yeah. Like, how much lawns are you running into?

[Mall]

Cut their lawns.

[Rory]

And I like the smell of, like, fresh.

[Mall]

My kryptonite. That'll take me out of here. What?

[Damaris]

Fresh cut grass.

[Mall]

Take me right out of here. Send me to the upper room. Every time. Send me right to the upper room.

[Rory]

I like the smell of that.

[Mall]

No, I like the smell, but it's just, like, when I smell it, I know it's time to, like, oh, let

[Damaris]

me go in the house and close the windows.

[Rory]

Cutting the grass at all the parks was my favorite job I ever had.

[Damaris]

Used to cut the grass at the park when I was a kid.

[Rory]

Yeah, like. Well, not a kid, a teenager.

[Mall]

Did you know that? That's, like, literally, like, cutting. That smell is like. Literally, like, the plant. Like, it's excreting. Like. I don't know. It's like. It's like. Basically, it's painful for them.

[Rory]

Yeah. We tried to tell you, you vegans that, and you won't listen to us.

[Mall]

No, seriously, like, that's really. Yeah, it's associated with something like that. Like, it's almost like.

[Rory]

Well, it's letting off an aroma because it's being cut. I don't know if it's like. It's like.

[Mall]

It's like plant blood.

[Rory]

I don't know if that.

[Mall]

You know how when you're on your period, you can smell like, iron, like zinc?

[Rory]

I don't know that.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's like. It's the same. It's kind of like that smell.

[Damaris]

Like, it's like, oh, wow, that's sad. I feel bad for the grass.

[Mall]

I mean, they growing right back. It's okay. We'll be back in two weeks. Don't worry about it.

[Rory]

Do you guys ever have summer jobs?

[Mall]

Some I can't talk about.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah?

[Damaris]

That's the only type of summer job you ever had?

[Mall]

No, I worked there. I told you, I work fresh air fun. Yeah, I work fresh air fun. And I worked at a basketball Camp one year.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah. That was probably the only summer jobs I had.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Only summer job I had when my. One of my grandfather's tenants at his building, 125th and park, he had to build it on the corner, and one of his tenants had, like, a accounting office.

[Mall]

Oh, I thought.

[Rory]

I thought he made you the slum lord or something. No, he was kicking out tenants.

[Damaris]

I was. No, I was, like. I want to say, like, 13 or 14. Oh, my Lord.

[Rory]

Knocking on when they, like, your rich do.

[Damaris]

It was commercial real estate, but so, like, an accountant, like, was there a calling office? And, like, I think he might have been laid on his rent. So he, like, hired me, like, to, like. I don't know. I did, like, his bank runs and did, like, secretary work, and it was just like, me running around Harlem.

[Mall]

5,000 on you going to. Would have knocked you right out, baby. Took that.

[Rory]

What's so funny is you probably ran into them all at his summer job in Harlem and didn't even know what I had.

[Damaris]

No, Was literally probably, like, selling drugs on his 17th.

[Mall]

Yeah, I wasn't here.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was selling in your building, probably.

[Damaris]

No, not.

[Rory]

That wasn't your territory.

[Mall]

They wouldn't let me say the neighbors was nosy.

[Damaris]

That's right next to that McDonald's.

[Rory]

I've bagged groceries. I've been a busboy. I had some summer jobs, man.

[Mall]

You never worked in a barbershop, though?

[Rory]

No, I never did.

[Mall]

That was the coolest job. Yeah, like, running to the store for the barbers, sweeping up, keeping the change. Yeah, you heard everybody. Business.

[Damaris]

I was just about to say. I know men being there, right?

[Mall]

You know who was who, you know who killed who.

[Rory]

Oh, you could take DNA and.

[Mall]

Oh, man, it's in other places selling hair. Yo.

[Rory]

If you're considering catching a body.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Here's some other DNA over there on. Take this to Brooklyn and throw this in the lobby.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Find out your hair was thrown in another burrow. What the.

[Mall]

I never even been to Brooklyn.

[Rory]

That was the first version of selling your data.

[Mall]

Yeah, just selling your hair. Absolutely.

[Damaris]

That's funny. So my last braider was in a. A barber shop. And, like, when I heard the way men, like, got, like. I know the way men gossip, cuz I work here. But, like, when I heard the way men was gossiping in that barber shop, like, I was like, wow. Like, y' all are. Niggas come in, they even get haircut. They sit down talking, couldn't wait. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Rory]

All right, what type of gossip, though.

[Damaris]

Gossip. Regular gossip. Ain't no differential between gossips.

[Mall]

But I hate barbershops like that, that have, like, it's like a co ed. Like they have some women working in there too. Like, it's a hair salon and a barber shop.

[Damaris]

Yeah. It's only.

[Mall]

She's the.

[Damaris]

Mine is the only one. Quiet as.

[Mall]

All you hear is the machines and the clippers don't talk in them shops.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Soon as I see, I'm like, I'm not coming here, man. Like, God, was women working here. I'm not coming here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then if somebody like a shorty, like his mom's got to bring him to the barber. Like, all the barbers is quiet. Like, you got to kind of like wait till shorty leave and then it turn up again. Because you. It's certain things you just can't say around, you know, when there's women and in the barbershop.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I mean, sometimes there's the one girl that's just there to braid hair.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's how you can get your off when she's used to it. She has brothers.

[Mall]

Yeah. But I'm saying if she has like a girl in her chair, it's like, I don't. We don't know. Shorty.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

She related to the nigga we talking about.

[Damaris]

They let it go and then they be sitting up there drinking Johnny Walker Black, passing that around.

[Rory]

Imagine getting your hair braided are in your barbershop.

[Damaris]

Somebody asks you, somebody hands you some Johnny Walker Black, you getting box braids.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, yeah, it's 100. Just. Just a West Indian thing. Johnny Walker Black. Jesus Christ.

[Mall]

I hate seeing, like, women bring their kids to the barber. That really pisses. That bothers me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, why? Like, you don't. There's no men in your family that could have brought your son here.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they are there. It's very awkward. Like, my homegirls that have sons and they're like single moms. It makes them very uncomfortable.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, women should not be in a barbershop. Like, I'm sorry. Like, you should. Women should not. That's. That's. You just not. You should not be in a barbershop.

[Damaris]

Why though? What's your reasoning?

[Mall]

It's just not. That's like. That's like a man's sanctuary. That's men's sanctuary. That's where men go to, like, it's like therapy is have conversations, talk shit. Like, women shouldn't be in a barbershop. Like, this is not like men shouldn't be in a hair salon.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know it's. Everything's cool and liberal now, but there should still be those, like, one spaces. Yeah. Where. No, I don't want to go with my mom when I'm a kid to her get her hair done.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I shouldn't be in there. It should be a man and woman thing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that still needs to exist.

[Mall]

If I've seen, like. I've seen, like, men take their daughters to the salons to get there done, and they literally bring them, drop them off, and leave. They're not sitting in there chilling. Like, you're not doing that. They're like, I'm out of here. Like, I know she good. Y' all gonna take care of her. Like, I'll be back in two hours.

[Rory]

Like, yeah. And I mean, now I guess it's a little different because the cities has changed, but you used to be able to just drop your kid at the barbershop. He'd be okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, there's no point in dropping my son off at the barbershop and then coming back because a haircut doesn't take that long. A girl's hair appointment. I used to be in a hair salon when I was a little girl for about four or five hours. Like, a man that gonna bust. Y' all gonna bust that out in 45 minutes or less. Like, there's no point in me leaving. I might as well just stay here.

[Mall]

Unless you look good. My bad. I'm sorry. I went somewhere.

[Rory]

No, no.

[Mall]

Did. I take it somewhere else.

[Rory]

That's why I think everything should be separated because of predators like you.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, wait. Yeah, I'm a predator now. I said if you look good. Like, how's that? I didn't say I was gonna attack him. Say if you look good, like, we welcome you into the barbershop. Like, make sure you good. You know what I mean?

[Damaris]

But that's when my home. My pretty homegirls are the ones that don't like to go into the barbershop because you. You can't help. Even when men are trying to be respectful, you can feel it. So it's just like. This is weird.

[Mall]

Yeah. We give off a scent when we flirting.

[Rory]

It's our version of ovulating when you're looking.

[Mall]

Yeah, I can smell it.

[Damaris]

Just pre come. We just sniff through your draw.

[Mall]

I don't know about that.

[Rory]

Pre coming in your pants. Soft is the craziest thing.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's something else.

[Rory]

I don't think your dick is dripping.

[Mall]

Yeah, you Sick to go to the hospital. You might need to get your prostate check that he got. You got a debate.

[Rory]

Pass the clap.

[Mall]

That's something different. Go get your prostate check, bro.

[Rory]

Speaking of barbers, I introduced jcole and my barber to maul at the show. Finally got to meet the man behind the. The dreads I was picking up on the floor.

[Mall]

Yeah, great guy.

[Damaris]

Did you tell him that he kept. He kept one of jcole locks like a rabbit's foot?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

On his key.

[Rory]

Willis saw the clip. I made it back to him.

[Damaris]

That's one of my favorite clips of all this. The history of this podcast N man.

[Mall]

It' so good, man. But a few of my homeboys go to him too, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Well, this is great.

[Mall]

I didn't know that like a few of my homeboys go to him.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, I've known Willis forever, but I was just had my barber and then when he moved to North Carolina, it just made sense to just go to Willis. Yeah. Like known him forever. He's great. And the shot. That whole shop is amazing. In the lower east side.

[Mall]

Everybody from Dreamville seems to be a great guy.

[Damaris]

Good people.

[Rory]

Except for a few in the comment.

[Mall]

Well, you know, it's just some. Some that want to, you know, earn their stripes another way.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, he's Dreamville adjacent. Well, he's like paralysis village.

[Mall]

Okay. Don't worry about it.

[Damaris]

What's.

[Rory]

Huh?

[Damaris]

What's the difference between. Is he paralyzed?

[Rory]

He. He almost was after talking to Mole that way.

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought, I'm like. I'm like, are we being ableist? Like, I didn't.

[Rory]

No, he's not. No, there was somebody in the comments being a weirdo, that's all.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's what I was talking about at the top of the episode.

[Damaris]

No, I know what you're talking about.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. The person we're talking about.

[Damaris]

Yeah, okay. I just didn't know if they were paralyzed. That's why I was like. I thought you said.

[Rory]

Well, I hope not because I take back everything I said. If he was.

[Mall]

Oh, life is great, baby D. That's all I gotta say. Life is beautiful.

[Rory]

Was the barbershop buzzing after the ASAP Rocky interview?

[Mall]

No, I don't think the barbershop was buzzing. I haven't. Well, let me not say that. I haven't been to the barber since the interview came out. So I don't know. I'm going Saturday.

[Damaris]

So have you seen it?

[Mall]

No, I didn't. Well, I saw some clips.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No, I don't really sit down and watch full.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I saw some clips.

[Mall]

I feel like If I see two 20 minute clips, I think that's the episode.

[Rory]

It was an hour and some change. I watched the entire thing. And I mean, the clips were obviously the. The meat of everything.

[Mall]

The meat and potatoes of it, all

[Rory]

of what we're gonna talk about. But Jason Lee did put on a great interview.

[Mall]

Shout out to Jason Lee. Hey, Jason Lee, I ain't gonna lie. Next time you're in New York, if you don't come up here. Listen, man, we got an issue. We got beef. I ain't gonna. I'm just gonna put it out there for you.

[Rory]

Listen, man, he's in politics.

[Mall]

Nah, man.

[Damaris]

I mean, do y' all really want Jason Lee to come up here, though?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I spoke to him. He said he was gonna. He was gonna pull up.

[Rory]

All right.

[Damaris]

When that asks you something, you don't

[Mall]

want to answer, what would he ask?

[Damaris]

You know, he good for that. Jason, Leah asked you. You know how other people will ask you things, and it's like, oh, I know this person ain't got.

[Mall]

That's the difference between me. Well, let me speak. So I'm not speaking for it. Between me and these other. I don't have nothing that I'm not willing to talk about.

[Rory]

Same.

[Mall]

What do I have that I'm not willing to talk about? What do you think that I have that I'm not.

[Damaris]

You cut out of these episodes? It'd be stuff. Y' all don't be willing to talk. We all have stuff. We're not.

[Mall]

If it's deemed disrespectful to an art. But it's not no personal, though, though. Okay, like. But it's like, what? I don't have nothing that I wouldn't. If Jason Lee. Jason Lee would ask me that, I would be like, shy away from, like, yeah, I don't know none of these people like that.

[Rory]

Two weeks ago, I did Rosenberg's new podcast. He asked me, I'm sure all the. That people would want to ask, and we didn't cut anything out. I didn't tell him. He couldn't say anything. I don't know when the no funny podcast episode that we did comes out.

[Mall]

Supposed to be next week.

[Rory]

Next week they asked, I'm sure everything that people wanted to know. Like, okay, Jason Lee may say it in a funnier, more aggressive way. Jason Lee, that'll make you be like, oh, okay, he gonna make it. But, I mean, he has a real friendship with Rocky, and he asked all the questions so, no, I don't think he tiptoe around anything related to Molina, but it was a good interview.

[Damaris]

What was the most shocking thing you learned from the interview?

[Rory]

The Ferg situation, honestly, was the one I wanted to hear about the most. I think between all the subs, back and forth, the Drake, Rocky, Rihanna thing, I'm just not as interested in anymore. I don't really particularly care. Also, they're married with kids. And granted, I know everyone's participating in subs. Even Rihanna put up the IG post of her and Rocky dancing, and then the guy turned and it said, my ex in the studio really put that up. Yeah, that was actually.

[Mall]

That was real.

[Rory]

That was real. 100 real.

[Mall]

That was fake.

[Rory]

No, I saw it on.

[Mall]

I saw.

[Rory]

I follow her. I saw it on her story. That wasn't something that the Internet.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

But I. I really just don't care that much about their relationship. They didn't even really get into that much depth of the entire thing because I really don't think there's much there except for history and shots and music.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, history, the Internet, shots and music.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's really it. And Rocky was pretty open about not taking his girl, and she was dating the Saudi guy when he ended up getting back with her, like, that was as deep as that whole went. And I also didn't particularly care.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because also, Rihanna's never been really like. Well, I'm sure she's been private of stuff we don't know about, of course. But she was making out with that Saudi guy in a pool. Like, we kind of know her dating history.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I didn't learn anything new, nor did I particularly care. But, yeah, it was. The Ferg thing was a small part of it, but the more important one to me because Ferg did do interviews where he said he dropped asap, and Rocky was like. I felt like that was kind of some sucker shit. Like, you're still ASAP Ferg on every platform. Why are you making it a thing to go out and make sure everyone knows you dropped the ASAP shit? He also talks about some of their history, which is his perspective.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

And, of course, there's three sides to a story. I'd love to hear Ferg's, but his. His perspective was when they started out, they was called ASAP Red Rocky and deferred.

[Mall]

Yep.

[Rory]

They were a group. They were peers. Rocky ended up getting signed, and then Ferg signed to him. So he went from being his rap partner to now you're my artist. And he thinks that may have caused some. Some type of friction as the time went. And Ferg wanted to be his own man and get off the label.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

So I get that. But I did like how he ended it and said, I'd love to talk with Ferg. Like, there's no shit that we can't fix. Like, he's like, this isn't like, some beef or whatever. Yeah, we can fix this with a conversation, which I hope they do. It didn't sound that crazy, but I don't know. We watched Ferg and Rocky for years and not seeing them together and ASAP with the rally shit and the Bari shit, like, it looked a little odd of what was going on with ASAP of this crew of kids that we've. We've loved when they're together. So that was it. I didn't need anything from the ASAP rally situation. I didn't think Rocky's like, I forgive you.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, like, it was just a cool interview. It's.

[Mall]

It.

[Rory]

Rocky rarely talks these days, so I don't know. It was just a cool interview of two friends.

[Damaris]

From the clips I saw. From the clips I saw. I like the fact that he did an interview with someone, is very obviously very close to their family because he seemed very relaxed and comfortable. Like, even the way he was talking when he. When. When Jason asked him, like, you is Tyler. Like, Tyler's your friend. Is Tyler really gay? And he was like, nah. Like, nigga, really gay. Like, we never talked about it, but he act like a duck. He keep telling y' all he gay. Like, he must be gay. And Jason was like, you know, I would date Tyler. And then Rocky was just like, ugh, I can't think about that. I can't think about that because it's like, there's both so close to him that he's like, you know, like, when you hear about your friends dating, it's like, ugh. I. Like, I don't want to see that. I thought that that was, like, it was cool. It was really down to earth. I loved learning that him and Rihanna take RVs and go out and travel and be like. He said Rihanna be in the back of Walmart, barefoot, cooking on the grill. Like, I think that that's super cute and relatable and dope. And he also said Rihanna be in the studio making music, but he might just be trolling us, so I don't

[Rory]

think he was trolling.

[Damaris]

Not gonna get my hopes up, but

[Rory]

I always think all artists are in the studio. That doesn't mean, they're in the studio focused on something that's gonna have a deadline.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just create, like. Yeah, Like, I. I think Rihanna has been in the studio this entire time, but I don't know if it's been serious. Like.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, she did the Smurf sound.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So.

[Rory]

But even then, I think she's just working on. I think all artists do that until they catch. Catch something that may spark. Okay, now we can start a project. Yeah. Like, this feels like the starting point, so. But, I mean, I hope because Rocky said that that means she's in there being serious, like, it's. It's time. And I did like, his. He. He was very objective. When Jason asked him what about a Rocky and Rihanna album, he said, nobody want to hear that shit, bro. I love that he said that, because I don't particularly.

[Mall]

Nobody wants to hear that.

[Rory]

I wouldn't mind a Rocky, like, eping of Rihanna project. I wouldn't be mad at that, but I don't need a Rocky verse on every Rihanna song. Like, I just. I just don't.

[Damaris]

I'm mad.

[Rory]

I just don't. And that's. No, I like Rocky.

[Mall]

Yeah, I get it.

[Rory]

I'm just cool on that.

[Damaris]

I wouldn't mind another little fashion killer. Like, another little.

[Rory]

No. I hope if she puts out an album, there's one Rocky song. Of course. Like, I wouldn't doubt that. But a full project, like, that's. That's a lot. It's a lot.

[Damaris]

Oh, I mean, like, just him in a video or something. But yeah, like, I'm not mad at him being, like, you know, on something.

[Rory]

But, I mean, I guess the most salacious stuff was the trailer. Yeah, like, that's. That's why I really don't have too much here. Like, yo, Drake, don't want to see me. All right, cool. I'm not even gonna sit here and debate on who. I think I would. Even though we joked about it before, but, like, I don't know. Rocky's a man. He's supposed to feel that way. He can't see me.

[Damaris]

All right.

[Mall]

Nobody wants to see that.

[Rory]

No, I don't want to see Rocky.

[Mall]

You know how nasty that would be? Like, that's just nasty. Like. Like, based off of what Rihanna posted on her ig. Like, it's just, like, that's just for them two to then fight. It's like Netflix.

[Damaris]

No, I would be.

[Mall]

I would not watch it.

[Rory]

Wait, wait. I'm saying I don't just come saying I don't want to see it. It doesn't mean if it happened, I wouldn't watch it. I want to make that clear. You hope it doesn't, but.

[Mall]

Right. I hope I wouldn't be. But if you tell me that, yo, Netflix is. Is having the Drake asap. Rocky fight tomorrow.

[Rory]

You walking them out the tunnel?

[Mall]

No, I was just. I was just going to say I'm watching that. You almost have to watch that. What else am I watching? What else am I watching if I'm not watching that? Like, what else would I be doing if I'm not watching that? You. You have to watch that.

[Rory]

Of course the whole world would. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, that's like, what. Like, is this real? Like, they about to really fight? Like, that's like, that would do.

[Rory]

That would do. Jake Paul, Mike Tyson numbers.

[Mall]

That would.

[Rory]

It probably do more.

[Mall]

That would do way. That would be the most watched event probably in Netflix history.

[Rory]

It might be George Rankin. Asap. Rocky boxing, yo.

[Mall]

Yeah. Asap. Fighting on Netflix. That is the most watched Netflix event. The undercard. I don't give a who's on undercard.

[Rory]

Soulja Boy versus everybody.

[Mall]

Like, just let. Just brawl for the undercard. Put 20 people in the ring and let them fight like that, though. Come on, man. Everybody will watch that. But of course, we don't want to see that.

[Rory]

That would fuck up the whole rap world, though, because if those two guys decide to put the gloves on, I don't want to hear any of y' all rappers that threaten each other online and then afterwards go, I'm too big for that.

[Mall]

That.

[Rory]

Oh, I need a bigger bag for that. Nah, nah. Asap. Rocky and Drake just fought and they got. You gotta get in the ring.

[Mall]

They got a stupid bag. They got a stupid bag for that 500 mil. Yeah, them. They thought, what I say 750 a piece.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's crazy. I'll fight any of you.

[Rory]

If the Saudis get a hold of that. Yeah, that's a 1.5 billion at minimum.

[Mall]

That might be more to bust down.

[Rory]

That would be crazy if the Saudis got a hold of the Drake. Box of mat, yo.

[Mall]

750 million. Yeah, that'll get it done. That number. Get it done, that number. Get it done.

[Rory]

And if you have two months to lead up with a doc live 24.

[Mall]

7.

[Rory]

You got. You got Andrew Tate training Rocky. Like, dog.

[Damaris]

What's the.

[Mall]

This is.

[Rory]

This is $2 billion.

[Damaris]

What's the lowest you guys are taking to fight your ex's new one in the ring, Your ex's new guy.

[Rory]

These medical bills are way higher. Than I anticipated.

[Mall]

I mean, if I'm a figure like that, like a Drake or.

[Damaris]

No, I hear you.

[Mall]

I'm talking about you, Lois. I. I line it up, I'll fight that nigga for free. I don't give a fuck.

[Damaris]

I mean, like, it's a televised event. Like, how much would you take? You have a number? Because you're not just gonna go in there and fight him for free.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I don't know. Give me a few M's. I'll do it.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

I'll do it for sure.

[Rory]

My perspective on this is to maximize how much I could. There's not like, a number, per se. I would do it because I would want to maximize how much money I could get. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I said, what's the lowest you would take? You wouldn't accept anything under.

[Rory]

And I. But I'm mad at this guy. Like, I don't like him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I ain't really. You don't really. With them, it ain't like beef, like. But you don't really him like that. Like, you. Your favorite chick.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you said. I thought it was. I thought it was my girl's ex.

[Damaris]

Like.

[Rory]

No, I'm with her now.

[Damaris]

Your ex's new man.

[Rory]

I don't want to fight my ex's new man.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's hot. But I'm just saying, for a bag, I'll fight anybody.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

To be televised. I'd want over. Over 500k total of everything that we could put around it. I'm saying, Merchant, like, we could put content around it. Like, everything around. All in.500k for me to leave with.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'd do it probably for free if I was mad. I'm just saying if I'm gonna go on camera to fight, I'd like to get as much money as I think I could out of the situation.

[Mall]

100.

[Rory]

And I think if I fought on camera and we could get a good backstory and we could properly promote it, I think I could walk away as a Z list celebrity with 500k.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think so.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Let's do it. Let the Saudis get a hold of it. It might be 5 million.

[Rory]

I don't think I'm on the Saudi's radar.

[Damaris]

What about each other?

[Rory]

Fight each other?

[Mall]

Me and Roy? No, I'm not fighting Rory for no amount of money. No.

[Rory]

Wait, what about the exhibition that they be doing? Like, the friendly,

[Damaris]

no knockouts.

[Mall]

I'm not fighting Rory. They. They couldn't pay me enough to fight Rory.

[Damaris]

Oh, wow. Why?

[Mall]

It's My guy. I'm not fighting my.

[Rory]

My guy.

[Mall]

Like, are you crazy? I'll beat the. Out of them. If they was to give me. If they was. Me and Damaris could fade.

[Damaris]

I've been waiting. Like, I don't.

[Mall]

I was gonna say me and Damaris could fade because she might really take off on me. Like, yeah, me and Damaris could fade, but not me and Rob wouldn't fight Rory, though. He just had a stroke. Just like, hitting somebody in a wheelchair. I wouldn't do that.

[Rory]

Honestly. That is, like, I need to be very careful with. Yeah. What I, like, say to anyone, like, even just walking down the street, my equilibrium right now. My balance.

[Damaris]

One hit your ass spinning and falling.

[Rory]

What?

[Damaris]

Back pockets. Front pockets.

[Mall]

All pockets.

[Rory]

Might put me down right now.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, I wouldn't fight.

[Damaris]

Damn. And you used to definitely be that guy. We used to go out and get drunk and used to pop a lot of. Yo.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

I would pop a lot of shit. No. Was I always unfortunately down to fight and didn't always win? Yes, but I was never a pop guy.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't see Roy. Rory wouldn't start nothing.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm not.

[Damaris]

Like, I saw Rory try to beat up the fucking guy in the parking garage. What did you try to fight the guy in the parking garage for? I don't even remember.

[Rory]

I was wrong. I forgot what it was. But I do remember reacting the way I reacted, and I wouldn't have reacted that way unless I was really.

[Mall]

Yo, why are you trying to fight the parking lot at the 10?

[Damaris]

No, he, like, he was wrong. Like, it was. I don't know.

[Mall]

Who put my seat back? Who put my seat back? Like, yo, you tripping, bro. Get in the car. Relax, man.

[Rory]

No, he just. I forgot what he did. He did something. I just can't remember what it was. I would have got that mad.

[Mall]

What could a parking lot attendant possibly do? Unless he damaged your car or something.

[Damaris]

Like, car was fine.

[Rory]

I can't remember.

[Mall]

What could he have done for you to fight him?

[Rory]

This was. How long ago was this?

[Damaris]

This was 2022. He was there February 2022. It was the day my best. It was the day I had buried my best friend. So I was there physically. I wasn't there mentally. And Rory had taken me and some of my homegirls out so that, like, I could feel better and get distracted or whatever. And I don't remember what it was, but Rory was really trying to beat up the parking. I don't know what it was. I really don't know. What? It was, but we was all out drunk.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

See, I'm glad you changed your life, but you can't.

[Damaris]

All I'm saying is you can't do shit like that now. Wrong, right, and different. You can't do shit like that now.

[Mall]

No. Yeah.

[Rory]

One wrong step and I. I'd knock myself out.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just walking.

[Mall]

Y' all want me to get in the ring with my guy? I wouldn't do that.

[Rory]

But healthy, though, if it was at the right price. And we were sparring. That could be fun. I've. I've sparred. Well, last time I sparred, my cousin, he broke my ribs. See, Jesus, that was right when we started this podcast.

[Damaris]

He don't like you, man. You know that.

[Rory]

Now, that's my guy. Shout out to Patty Farrell.

[Damaris]

So why would he. His name is who?

[Mall]

Patty.

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought you said Peggy.

[Mall]

I was gonna say, you can't fight nobody named Patty. He sounded like he was a welterweight champion at one point.

[Rory]

No, he really. He's the. I mean, he's a trainer now at World Boxing Gym in Jersey City. He was a professional fighter.

[Mall]

Patty. Yeah. You have to be a Irish man named Patty. You have to be a fighter. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Or a podcast engineer.

[Mall]

Patty Farrell. You gotta be a fighter.

[Rory]

Fought professionally, and now he's a Jersey City firefighter.

[Mall]

You go shout out to Patty.

[Damaris]

That's what's up.

[Mall]

Yo, my guy, Patty.

[Rory]

Yeah, he probably well built, keeping us going.

[Damaris]

He married.

[Mall]

All right.

[Rory]

I've already said too much about him.

[Damaris]

Oh, my bad.

[Mall]

Sorry, Maris. Want to know what?

[Rory]

He already broke my ribs once.

[Mall]

Jaws. Next.

[Rory]

The jaw is.

[Damaris]

Next is bad, buddy. Roy, do you plan on, like, getting back into. I know you were doing kickboxing for, like, boxing for a while.

[Mall]

Kickboxing is crazy.

[Damaris]

Well, boxing for a while.

[Rory]

Remember when Nas called Jay a Taebo Ho?

[Mall]

Feel that. Bring back a lot of memories, man. That was a. That was a dangerous time in the city, man. Depending on what side of the line you was on, things was real dangerous back then, man.

[Damaris]

Did y' all laugh at that?

[Mall]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

Taibo Ho is hilarious.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, that's gonna laugh in here. We get out there, it's stone faces we ain't laughing at. And here. It's funny, though.

[Rory]

He said, I'm trying to kick knowledge. You type o ho.

[Mall]

And now look in Yankee Stadium.

[Rory]

Love it. You know, they give the friendly spar, and then everything will finally got a bag together.

[Mall]

Good little friendly rap fade. That's all.

[Rory]

But I. I'm allowed to, like, do Actual physical activity as of my appointment that I had on Tuesday.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

But no, I'm not going to be getting back in the ring anytime soon. I'm going to, like, try to jog this weekend and see how that goes.

[Mall]

O, good, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, maybe like the Stairman. But I do want to get back to, like, at least twice a week. Maybe not sparring, but actually going back to the boxing gym. For sure. That, that was. I was in my happiest time when I was hitting the bag.

[Damaris]

Pause.

[Rory]

Okay, need to get back there.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'll go.

[Rory]

Instead of yelling at parking attendants.

[Damaris]

I'll go with you.

[Rory]

Unless you have to go boxing.

[Damaris]

Huh?

[Mall]

Boxing.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I need to let out a lot of frustration.

[Mall]

What's wrong?

[Damaris]

Just a lot going on. But I was thinking about boxing. I feel like that would help.

[Mall]

I feel like you always got some going. Are you okay? Is life treating you like, fine? Are you.

[Damaris]

I'm fine.

[Mall]

Hold on. She got. You got to take boxing classes to let some out. You're not fine, baby.

[Damaris]

D. I feel like everybody has, like, pent up, like, things. No.

[Mall]

Yeah, okay, sure. But just to like, be like. Yeah, I need to, like.

[Damaris]

I'm not drinking anymore, remember? So I need to. No, for real.

[Mall]

I'll call you. I'm gonna call you what your mama call you Demaris.

[Damaris]

Have I been drinking?

[Mall]

Demaris?

[Damaris]

Peach has tried. Peach has been lowering me out. Has to be luring me out. Like, it, like, cousin it underneath the. The great, like, holding up like martinis, and I have not been taking them. I've been ignoring his text. I've ignore his calls.

[Mall]

I leave since last weekend.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's August 6th.

[Mall]

You four days.

[Damaris]

Hey, man, I had a lot going on, man. I. I haven't taken it, though, and I'm not going to. So I feel like boxing will be. Be a good outlet.

[Mall]

Maris, your ass is going to be drinking this weekend.

[Rory]

Cut the September push to September.

[Damaris]

I am no push till September. No. If I start drinking right now, I won't stop. Like I told Rory, I'm like, if I start drinking right now, I won't stop. So this is a good time to not drink when you, like, you know.

[Mall]

So how long. How many days has it been since you had a drink? Eight. That's a lie.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, Cole. So seven.

[Mall]

That's a lie.

[Damaris]

Wait, when was cold?

[Mall]

He was drinking last weekend.

[Damaris]

We Ain't Cold concert was the first. So five days.

[Mall]

Five days.

[Damaris]

Five days in the summer in New York. That's good. That's not good. That's hard.

[Rory]

Peach.

[Damaris]

Peach. Peach is supposed to be doing it with me. He hit me yesterday. Like, yo, I relapsed.

[Mall]

Five days of not drinking is not hard to marry in New York City

[Damaris]

in the summer when you're going through

[Mall]

something, five days is not hard to not have.

[Damaris]

We walk past a drink. Every time you walk out the door, you walk past at least five drinks. Yo, when I leave out of here, it's happy hour,

[Mall]

okay.

[Rory]

In an area that has some great happy hours.

[Damaris]

Great happy hours. I'm going straight home.

[Rory]

I was so tired at the cold show, I went up to try to find a coffee because that's, like, what helped me at the. The Jay Z show. I would stood in line. It's like, can I just have a coffee, please? Like, oh, we got rid of that because of COVID I was like, yo, what?

[Mall]

That was the craziest. When Rory came back to the scene, said that, I was like, I was ready to leave at that point. I was like, yo, all right, get me out of here.

[Rory]

What do those two things have to do with each other?

[Mall]

We stopped selling coffee because of COVID

[Rory]

It's 2026 in the Barclays Center.

[Damaris]

Well, also. Well, to be fair, I would have been like, no, we got rid of coffee because nobody's buying it. We have three people who ask us for a coffee this year. Like, is going to the Barclays ordering coffee.

[Rory]

You don't think people go to basketball

[Mall]

games and get coffee is the most normal thing to have in any arena?

[Rory]

You know how many coffee and beer.

[Mall]

That's two of the most common drinks probably in the world. Yeah.

[Rory]

Parents that go to, like, bring their kids to shows and music, they probably don't like. Yeah, I'm gonna go get a coffee or something.

[Mall]

Like, like, the announcers, people that work in this, like, yeah, they're drinking coffee. Oh, you need coffee in the arena. Like, that's a fact.

[Damaris]

Me and Peach be white clawed up now.

[Mall]

How about, like, not selling coffee because of COVID bro? What the are we talking about, bro? Yeah, that's why I'm never going to the Barclays again. I'm never going.

[Rory]

There was only one stand that had a Yankee Stadium, and it was one of their, like, personal ones. The only reason wasn't because of COVID They said, we didn't think anybody would want coffee. Hot coffee in 90 degree weather. And I was like, you have a good point.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So what was this at Yankee Stadium for the Jason?

[Mall]

Yeah, okay. Okay.

[Damaris]

You found some coffee, though, didn't you?

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I'M saying it was one.

[Mall]

One stand had it in Yankee Stadium. That's a fact.

[Rory]

They weren't making the pots because they didn't think anybody was at a Jay z show in 90 degree weather. Like, let me get coffee. Yeah, let me get a hot latte.

[Damaris]

No, the Yankee Stadium had a whole steakhouse. I discovered that because the drink lines were so long. I was looking for the bathroom and I was like, oh, it's the steakhouse. I went there, got me a little app and some drinks.

[Mall]

No, no. The Yankee Stadium they got. They gonna take care of you.

[Rory]

Everything's for sale.

[Mall]

You hungry in the Yankee Stadium. It's gonna cost you for show, but you gonna eat, though.

[Rory]

Listen, going to. Buying a steak at Yankee Stadium is the highest form of capitalism you could ever do.

[Mall]

1,000%.

[Rory]

Like there's something wrong.

[Mall]

You doing a hide in life.

[Rory]

Something wrong with you. If.

[Mall]

If you could eat a steak at Yankee Stadium. You doing a hide in life like you do. Things are okay for you that without a doubt, 100%.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I got a drink. That was a double. It was $35.

[Mall]

I'm saying you got it though.

[Damaris]

Made away.

[Rory]

I went and bought that expensive ass Fear of God shirt.

[Damaris]

Oh, you got too much money for me.

[Rory]

Ran into Jerry on. On the field area. He said, why you buy that? I said, I will go return this.

[Damaris]

I would have returned that right then. Stay right here. I'm actually. Come with me.

[Rory]

He said, no, why would you buy that? I said, I was trying to support you. I will go return this right now.

[Mall]

Right now.

[Rory]

Yeah, just give me your address. I was like, all right, man. Last time I support my friends, yo,

[Damaris]

tell them to send some merch for the pod. Like,

[Rory]

he's. He said he sent Jay elect this pico for. For the fall that they're putting out. I told Jay, I said, we share that coat. That's our coat.

[Damaris]

We share that coat. You and Jay, like, could fit the same coat.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. I feel like it's be a little

[Rory]

oversized on me, but like in a

[Damaris]

arm's a little bit stronger than yours.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Mall]

No, I. Yeah, thank you for that observation.

[Rory]

I appreciate that.

[Mall]

Thank you for that, Baby D. My bad.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

you get your podcasts.

[Rory]

Bill, why is my eye twitching? Does this mean I'm in perimenopause? Maybe I have adult adhd. I need to look this up. Where's my phone?

[Mall]

Juliana, your phone is hot to the touch.

[Rory]

I think it's asking you for a break. You know what? Maybe I should just ask ChatGPT. Or maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes, like a couple sex therapist.

[Mall]

Whoa, that escalated quickly.

[Rory]

But okay, because I have questions.

[Mall]

We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions like,

[Rory]

is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that.

[Mall]

How about this one?

[Rory]

Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know, why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically, Right? Okay, well, instead of letting the Internet guess, we've got actual people answering these exact questions and laughing with us has got to be better than spending three hours down a rabbit hole online. Listen to Bill and Juliana, the podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

[Mall]

Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing, I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers,

[Rory]

and performers like composer Marc Shaiman.

[Mall]

Once you've established that you have the talent. It's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when

[Damaris]

I think of him.

[Mall]

The time together. Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan.

[Damaris]

The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things

[Rory]

in our society in a way that

[Damaris]

very few people can. You can really make a difference to

[Rory]

causes in the United States if you

[Damaris]

bring the right case at the right time.

[Mall]

Marriage equality.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Windsor's the perfect example. Director Morgan Neville. Film school teaches you all the wrong things about making documentary. What do you want to say? Documentary is all about your ear. What do you hear? I feel like my job is listening really, really hard. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you guys see any of this Cam' Ron Cardi B stuff?

[Damaris]

I heard a little bit about it.

[Rory]

Listen, man, y' all know I fuck with Cam Heavy, but I don't know, man. Between. Between Dame and Cam, we have to go to our senior uptown correspondent. All those uptown rules. Y' all tried to tell us that Harlem sticks together. Harlem's not messy. Harlem doesn't do that. Y' all be doing some messy ass shit.

[Mall]

I. I mean, collectively, Harlem is pretty much sticks together, but there's some pockets of people in Harlem that don't with each other. Absolutely.

[Rory]

I've seen the crime statistics. Doesn't look like, yeah, everyone sticks together.

[Mall]

Yeah, everybody does not stick together in Harlem. I can promise you that.

[Rory]

But yeah. Cam went on his podcast and told the story that Cardi's team had reached out to him about him doing a verse for Cardi years ago. I forgot what she wanted to redo. This was before she redid the imaginary player. She had asked Cam. I forgot what camera on record it was, but they wanted to redo one of the Cam records and have Cam do a new verse on it. Scams like, I don't know if I get around to it, When's the album dropping? And Cardi's team was like, we not dropping the album without you doing this. So, like, we need you to do this now because we needed ASAP so we could put it out. And he's like, I don't believe y', all, but okay. Blocked out an hour, knocked it out, sent it to them. Obviously they had talked about either payment or an interview. Same Situation with the cold thing.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Years passed. He said he's like, I forgot about it. Then my homegirl came up to me and said, yo, the new Cardi's dope. He said, I don't even know about it. It was the Imaginary Player album came out, and he hit Cardi's team. It was like, are you guys either gonna pay me or is she gonna do an interview?

[Mall]

Just got an imaginary player.

[Rory]

No, they went a different direction. Originally. They wanted to. I forgot what Cameron song they wanted to do.

[Mall]

Oh, but they went. They wanted to play instead.

[Rory]

They went Imaginary Player instead.

[Mall]

Got you.

[Rory]

Or he was saying that they scrapped the camera on one because some of the younger people didn't take to Carti rapping over the 90s. Imaginary player. So, like, I think we can't have two of these. Okay, so Cam, which he's not the first artist. Some artists. If you ask me to do a verse and you don't keep it, that got nothing to do with me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I still worked.

[Rory]

Like, you have to pay me for my time. And if you're telling me it's not that Cardi didn't like the verse, it's because you guys had to pivot and do a different direction because of your other shit. What I got to do with that?

[Mall]

Yeah, you still owe me my either interview or whatever. Yeah, I held up my end of the bargain.

[Rory]

So I'm on board with Cam all the way here. And to the point, I was with Cam with the J. Cole shit for how long that took. Like, now you ignoring me now? The only way I can get your attention after a few years is I gotta send you a lawsuit. Like, I don't want to do that. But you not replying to me right? So I'm still with Cam through all this. Then he goes, if y' all don't give me my money or my interview. I know some people on y' all team that be on all fours and like to get their booty licked. And they booty play with. And I got the text messages. I leak everything. And I was like, cam, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Mall]

Wait, what?

[Rory]

Yo, no, the same way I just made a left right there is exactly how he did. I was like, whoa, wait, I was just on board.

[Mall]

Well, wait a damn minute. Hold on. His response to that was, I know people on your team that be on all fours.

[Rory]

He also, by the way, he also gave Carti a lot of bail. He said, cardi may not know anything about this. There's a lot of people in the music industry that will promise some shit on behalf of an artist, and artists don't even know it at all.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, 100%.

[Rory]

He was like, cardi may. Cardi may hear this and go, what the fuck is Cam talking about?

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

A lot of people do that shit. Yo, yo. I'll make sure Cardi do an interview if you do this for us. Right? Cardi didn't say that. So he wanted to make it very clear this isn't specifically a Cardi thing, more the people on her team. But those people on the team he happens to have a lot of dirt on and their sexual preferences and their freak. You know, their freak flag goes a little high and waves. It's at half mast right now.

[Mall]

Yeah. But that being like, your canvas, to

[Damaris]

be fair, that's like blackmail. Like, you just, like, get admitted to.

[Rory]

So a part of. Yeah, I was looking at the timeline. It didn't really go the way I think Cam thought it was. A lot of people were like, this is revenge porn.

[Damaris]

That's revenge porn. Blackmail, like, that's like a legal.

[Mall]

That's not revenge. Wait, he has video.

[Rory]

He was alluding to having a lot of evidence.

[Mall]

He says he has pictures. Oh, yeah, you can't do that. I thought he would say he was going to, like, start naming some names or something. I'll say that it's not revenge porn. But if he was talking about putting out pics and videos. Yeah, you can't do that. But look at the lunch you got to go to just to get like.

[Damaris]

And if I'm. If I'm said person that be on all fours, like, I'm hitting Cardi up.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, we might need to clear that.

[Damaris]

We. We gotta do what we gotta do.

[Mall]

Yeah, we gotta go ahead and send that. Either do that interview or he could

[Rory]

live in his truth now.

[Mall]

I mean, yeah, there's always that.

[Damaris]

I'm cool.

[Rory]

Cam's an activist.

[Mall]

It don't matter no more. Like, that ain't. That ain't what it used. Now, what if.

[Damaris]

Now if he's married. I was about to say he might have a girlfriend, a family.

[Mall]

I don't.

[Rory]

Because sometimes that. That other dibbling, dabbling DL is with men that are married with children.

[Mall]

We've seen all kind of deal accusations. And girls still be humping on these dudes. I don't care.

[Damaris]

Not the majority ball. That is. That's the exception, not the rule.

[Rory]

Only in Atlanta.

[Mall]

I just want to know when we gonna just start being real. Like, let's just be real. Nobody cares about that. Nobody cares about that.

[Rory]

Either way. You shouldn't leak intimates.

[Mall]

No, that I agree. Put out no pics and videos. No 100.

[Rory]

How big is Cam's platform? Like, you're right. Putting out pictures of someone on your platform.

[Mall]

I agree. Like, but my thing is, what's gonna happen after that? It'll be the talk for 12 hours, and then something else will happen and people keep scrolling and nobody will revisit that ever again. Nobody even talk about that.

[Rory]

I'll go with even.

[Mall]

How much crazy have we saw where we like, yo, that's wild. Like, we don't even think about that no more.

[Rory]

We see crazy people we know. We probably don't even know who this person is.

[Mall]

Yo, what that I said was shot.

[Damaris]

Just listen to the music now.

[Mall]

Perfect example. Nobody even talks or thinks about that no more. Nobody.

[Rory]

Nobody cared at that time either.

[Damaris]

People cared at the time.

[Mall]

So back to what the I just said. Nobody cares. Let's stop acting like that's going to affect somebody's life.

[Damaris]

All right?

[Rory]

Stop. Either way, whether someone's closeted DL out about their gayness, but only amongst their circle. Everyone should have their own right for to police their sexuality to the public. I agree with someone else shouldn't.

[Mall]

I'm not saying that makes it okay for Cam to put out a pick and video of somebody. No, that's crazy. I'm saying if he did, that ain't going to affect the person's life at all. They might start a gofundme. He might make 20 million off of him doing that.

[Damaris]

You don't know that. You don't know what people's parents believes are, what religious beliefs they have. You don't.

[Mall]

Let me tell you something. If. If you got parents like that, that's holy rolly like that. That's not all that. They already know you gay.

[Damaris]

No, they don't. Sometimes they don't.

[Rory]

I don't know. The gay outing package now is 5k for a VLAD interview. And then you got to move on with your life.

[Mall]

You, you, you, they. You start a gofundme. What's the. The. The. The.

[Rory]

The.

[Mall]

The. The worker that worked at Auntie Anne's. Auntie Annie's.

[Rory]

But what's the gofundme for? Like, what do you. What are you raising money for?

[Mall]

Because remember they. They fired her for saying the N word, right? Remember they fired her for using the N word. They started a gofundme for her. She made like, over 500,000.

[Rory]

Well, if cardi.

[Mall]

You know how many fucking shifts she would have to work at Auntie annie's to make $500,000.

[Rory]

If cardi B, all she had to

[Mall]

do was say a nigger and she was cashed out. Nobody cares.

[Rory]

It was insane.

[Mall]

Yeah, like that. Nobody cares about that.

[Rory]

But if Cardi B. Fires this gentleman for being gay, then a gofundme would make.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, Cardi.

[Rory]

Well, we know Cardi would do that.

[Mall]

Of course she's not doing that. That's what I'm saying. What does it affect the mar. Okay. Yes. Family. Parents may be like, oh, we didn't know you was into that lifestyle. Cool. What is that going to change? You're not invited to Thanksgiving dinner.

[Damaris]

That's like, I know you don't give a. But, like, that's important to some people.

[Mall]

Nobody give.

[Damaris]

That's like a big deal.

[Mall]

Go to Cardi's house for Thanksgiving dinner. She probably got better food. Thank you anyway.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Who gives a. I mean, I'm sure there's a chef. I'm sure it's. I'm sure it's the life.

[Mall]

What are we talking about? Like, your family's gonna. As an adult, your family's gonna disown you for your sexuality. Are you serious? Like, come on, bro. I don't think. No, I don't think nobody that's around Cardi comes from a family that's gonna disown them if they're gay.

[Rory]

I disagree.

[Damaris]

Who for sure?

[Rory]

I'm sure Cardi has a lot.

[Mall]

I think anybody around Cardi. I think anybody that's around Cardi that's working around Cardi, I think they're probably. It's safe to say they're from New York, the East Coast. Like, who. That's not a part of our culture. Disown it for gay culture.

[Rory]

How many of your friends have first generation culture?

[Damaris]

First generation, Jamaican, first generation, first generation.

[Mall]

They be the main gay ones.

[Damaris]

But it's not accepted. That's not the point. It's not accepted. I just don't. I don't want to just throw out, nobody cares if you're gay. Shit. Because that's not true. You live in New York City, you're black American, and you're in an urban space. Damn near everything is accepted by us. Not everybody. The world. The rest of the world is not. Operate like that.

[Rory]

All right, let's pivot here. Should Cam apologize for that? Because to me, for Cam apologize that.

[Mall]

You can't threaten.

[Rory]

As a supporter of Cam, I think

[Mall]

that's n. That's wrong. You can't Say you're gonna. Even though I don't. Cam was probably joking when he said that, but I'm just saying you can't.

[Rory]

I joked about that on this pod of one of my fake ops that I know about.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. You should never out anybody. That. That's not. No, you shouldn't do that. But again, if somebody is outed, if somebody's gay tape leaked today online, and a celebrity like, gay tape is hilarious.

[Rory]

I don't know why. Gay tape.

[Mall]

Okay. Gay sex tape.

[Rory]

Is that better?

[Mall]

Gay sex tape leaked online. It's a topic for six hours. Maybe Ronaldo will fucking sign with a US American soccer team right after that. Nobody's even talking about your gay sex tape anymore.

[Rory]

Which Ronaldo had a gay sex tape?

[Mall]

No, I said Ronaldo will sign with it. Oh, I got you.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mall]

Okay. That's bigger news than you having a gay sex tape. Nobody cares. So I'm saying nobody gives a. Like, we gotta see that bubble.

[Rory]

He cares.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I just don't. I don't know. I just don't think that that's the. The thing that it once was before, like, oh, my God, he's gay or she's gay. Who cares? Nobody gives a. We don't watch people get sexually assaulted. They can still support them. We ain't see it wrong. No, you're right. A lot of y' all still post R. Kelly songs on y' all stories. Separate the art from the. Man, get the out of here.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. When I was in Virginia, I went out with my sister, and there was a full R. Kelly. Like, I bet it was a full R. Kelly set, mind you. We live in New York, so, like, if you. It's risky playing R. Kelly out here because the most crowds will boo your ass if you play R. Kelly out here and you won't get hired again. But there was a full R. Kelly set, and I was like, oh, y', all, like, grooved this shit. Like, nobody. I'm the only one looking around like, what the fuck we doing?

[Mall]

Let me tell you how weird it is now. I purposely. Somebody had posted. It was some shit that came across my Instagram, and they was, like, in a record shop, and they was playing R. Kelly. I purposely commented, said, turn that shit off. You know how many people comment? And I knew this was gonna happen. Nah, we turning that up.

[Rory]

Sick. You.

[Mall]

This is how the world is now. You weird. You're a weirdo. If you don't support somebody that sexually assaulted a child, you're a weirdo.

[Damaris]

Now, that's crazy as fuck.

[Mall]

So y' all gonna sit here and tell me that somebody being just gay, an adult having consensual sex with the same sex. People gonna be like, oh, that's crazy. Like, who? Nobody can. People do not get. You're a weirdo if you have a stance on. Yo, they sexy assault to somebody. Get them the fuck outta here. Now they're looking at you like, yo, what's up with you, bro? What's up with me? Y' all sitting here playing this man's music, doing this, supporting this way. Y' all know what he did. And because I'm saying, turn that off. Now I'm the weirdo.

[Damaris]

Don't let.

[Mall]

Now I'm a hate. I'm a hater.

[Damaris]

Don't. I'm a hatery Off. You say turn Tory off, they be ready to turn this.

[Mall]

This is what I'm saying. When y' all say, like, gay consensual sex with adults. Nope, bro. People don't give a. About people being sexually assaulted. Of course. So what are we talking about, bro? Consensual? Come on, man. Nobody cares about that. I get it. For the moment, it'll be like, oh, I didn't know that person was gay. It'll be a little. You know, but right after a couple hours, nobody cares about that.

[Rory]

I'm sure Cardi and the whole team would have been like, I could have told y' all that.

[Mall]

They probably know that already.

[Damaris]

That's probably how she found out who did it.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

Oh, he talking about Tony. All right, Tony, bring your ass.

[Mall]

She went right to the group chat,

[Rory]

like, yo, knowing Cardi, this is probably exactly what it was. She had the group chat like, all

[Mall]

right, Cam, think he got the tea on her. She know. Cardi know. Like, come on. Like, we. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I'm saying. Nobody. It's just that nobody cares about that shit.

[Rory]

Oh, that's funny.

[Mall]

That's all.

[Damaris]

So I had a question for y', all, because I got into an argument with a man who was trying to tell me, huh, Huh?

[Mall]

I stand with him.

[Damaris]

Great. I said that I think that Zara Larson has the potential to be huge. If she just has potential, isn't she already.

[Mall]

She's already huge, though.

[Damaris]

That's not. I'm talking Taylor Swift huge.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. Yes.

[Damaris]

If she gets the right team behind her and has that one album that just, like, makes her inescapable, I think she can be. Not many people could be Taylor Swift huge. I'll say Ariana Grande. Huge, right? And he said, nah, she's not next. Olivia Dean is next. When it comes to that pop superstardom, it's different. And that's what I said.

[Mall]

Olivia Dean is completely different from Zara Larson. Zara Larson is more in the Britney Spears trajectory. Olivia Dean is. She's a. I mean, she's a star, but I don't. I wouldn't say pop, though. Like, it's a different type of pop.

[Rory]

She's more like Billie Eilish Worlds, would you say? I'm asking you. You guys seem way more well versed in them.

[Damaris]

Olivia Dean is more.

[Rory]

She got a little bit of ass right now. I'm mixing up my whites, you know,

[Damaris]

come be the man I need. I got something to give. Yes. So she gives more. She makes the type of music that can be played in coffee shops and. Well, they both do. But I feel like Olivia Dean as a person, I feel like these days to be the next huge, huge thing, huge pop star, you have to kind of be, like, polarizing. You have to have, like, that personality, that sass that makes people either love you or hate you. Makes people want to ride for. Olivia Dean is just likable across the board, which means that she isn't. Won't be. Her as a person won't be discussed much. The music. Yes. But her as a person won't be discussed much. And I feel like to be such a major pop star now, you kind of need that, like, you want people to fall in love with you and not just the music.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm tapping out. I don't know which. Which would be the better. Bigger star.

[Mall]

I mean, they're both big star, I think. I mean, obviously, Olivia Dean had one of the biggest songs right now. Zara Larson is. I think that she's, you know, again, she's more trending on that Britney Spears side of star. She dances. I think I can see a lot of young girls wanting to look like her, dress like her, you know, and she. Again, Olivia Dean. I don't think Olivia Dean dances. She doesn't perform, like, the way Zara performs. Zara's more performative. She dances, has, you know, dances on stage. It's just a different aesthetic with Zara. It's more of a. It's more of a superstar, pop star aesthetic to me. Olivia Dean is gonna make huge songs, the best music. Her music is gonna be huge. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like. But as far as, like, just personality, style, look, aesthetic, I think Zara Larson covers all of Those things, I feel

[Damaris]

like nowadays it takes, it takes more than just the music you gotta have.

[Mall]

Oh. I mean, hell yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm confusing everyone. Okay. I know Olivia Dean very well.

[Damaris]

I know you.

[Rory]

Got you. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm. I was thinking of. Who's the white girl that has a little bit of ass? That's a white pop star that they post on. They post. No, not Zara. It's another girl. I think it's. Isn't Olivia something very small?

[Damaris]

Olivia Rodrigo?

[Rory]

I don't know. Either way, no. Olivia Dean is, is out of here. Yeah, no, she's, she's, she's always gonna be successful.

[Damaris]

But when we're talking about like pop superstardom, like that girl, like the Taylors, the Britney's, the Ariana Grande days.

[Rory]

When was the last time we had like a, A traditional white pop star? Like the way Britney was, where you have the dance, the video, that whole package. Like Taylor's up there with a fucking guitar singing her songs. But yeah, she's not Britney. She's not Christina.

[Damaris]

Like, we're talking about bigness. We're not talking about the.

[Rory]

I know I'm asking a new, new question. Like, is that gone?

[Mall]

If it is. If it was, Zara's bringing it back.

[Rory]

Yeah. Watching this Lollapalooza shit, that does look more Britney esque with the dancing.

[Mall]

100%.

[Damaris]

So they tried to make Tate McCray be that. Right. But the thing about Tate McCray that is big when you're trying to be like the pop superstar, when you're trying to be the Britneys, whatever the Christina, you have to. The blacks gotta like you too.

[Rory]

Was Miley an attempt at that?

[Damaris]

Miley was never really a dancer, but Miley was. Miley was the big pop star. I mean, Britney's in her own lane with.

[Rory]

I'm just saying that.

[Damaris]

But yeah, Miley was. Miley. Miley. Miley. Ariana is who I would think of Miley, Ariana, Olivia Rodrigo for a while, but yeah, they, like I said, they tried to make it Tate McCray, but she just.

[Mall]

People don't really care, you know, Zara, she's, she's out of here.

[Damaris]

She's perfect.

[Rory]

I mean, she does fit that Britney category where I can't tell if she's 21 or 38. So. No, she's definitely a Britney.

[Damaris]

So she's 28.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

She's nailed it right in the middle.

[Damaris]

And she can. Zara can sing.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, she's, she's, she's talented.

[Rory]

She headlined the.

[Damaris]

I don't think she was the headliner. Tate McCray was the headliner. Peach is looking this up because Peach knows his whites.

[Rory]

Did you see that, like, aerial shot? I don't know if it was drone or helicopter of Lollapalooza.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Never seen anything.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, they just sell it, I think.

[Rory]

I never wanted to be at more than that. It looks so bad.

[Mall]

Yeah. I can't. I can't do events like that.

[Rory]

Yeah, it looked like. Like that. Oh, my God.

[Mall]

That's insane. That's a lot of people to be performing in front of.

[Damaris]

That's. I wouldn't. That's.

[Rory]

Look at. There's not even space around the speed. Like.

[Mall]

Holy.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nah, I can't. I'm not designed for that. My nervous system is not designed for that.

[Damaris]

But it doesn't feel as packed. It feels packed when you're in there, but you know, when you're moving around and stuff like that. But. Yeah, that's bad.

[Rory]

I know. I mean, I've been to festivals that are sold out and running through those type of areas, but all the way to the back usually, like, it trickles out a little bit around the gates.

[Mall]

Just a little empty. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know. That, like, looked unwalkable.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nah, I'm cool.

[Rory]

And didn't it just rain, like, a few hours before that?

[Mall]

Mm.

[Damaris]

Oh, everyone just wet, wet, hot. Hot dog water. Everybody smell like hot dog water.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nah, I gotta catch up. I want to see a live show, though.

[Damaris]

Huzara. Yeah.

[Rory]

That's all.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, that's Tate McCray. You gotta catch up on your whites.

[Rory]

Yo, Taylor, Right?

[Mall]

You don't know your whites. You gotta come.

[Rory]

We're gonna do that on Patreon.

[Mall]

Update your iOS when it comes to the whites.

[Damaris]

So, Roy, you're voting over Zara Larson, you're voting Olivia Dean.

[Rory]

Well, I've only listened to Olivia Dean's music, so I'm not sure about Zara.

[Mall]

They're two different artists, though.

[Damaris]

They are two different artists. Olivia Dean makes absolutely incredible music, but

[Mall]

I feel like that Zara, that Midnight sun, that's my shit.

[Damaris]

That's small shit. You heard her do acapella at Lollapalooza.

[Mall]

Yeah, she can sing. She's really. She's not like a studio artist where they just put a pretty girl in the studio and put all the bells and whistles around her. Like, she can really sing.

[Damaris]

But one thing I've realized recently, a lot of these artists, and this is no shade to Zara, have pitch correcting mics. Oh, that's like almost all of them.

[Mall]

That's a bunch of people. That's not just that. Don't just stop with. We can name a bunch of. I've been to plenty of shows where I'm like, you can hear it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I'm not mad at it. Like sound as close to the record as possible. But then there's some who are absolutely against that and they're like, no, but I can really sing on key.

[Rory]

So, you know, I don't think there's a single artist on that type of level on like a festival stage or arena stadium that does not have a pitch corrected mic.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's almost.

[Rory]

You could name like the Sanger. They all have one. Especially if you're dancing. It's there for safety.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like certain records we're gonna put the pitch correction on it. Cause you're about to do a whole chord.

[Mall]

Yeah. You're gonna be out of breath. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't think there's a single artist that doesn't have a pitch corrected mic.

[Mall]

As long as it's not. Now if it's ballad time and this is you and the piano, the keys and then you're using it. I'm looking at you crazy. But when you're dancing and moving around and jumping this explosion shit happening. I'm not mad at you having a pitch corrector mic.

[Rory]

Beyonce doesn' on when she performs. I care. But when she's getting busy, I'm sure there's some TV tracks something that is going to help. Just. Just in case there's a tv.

[Damaris]

There might be a track in the back. But Beyonce does not use a pitch corrected mic. She would come up here and whoop your ass if she heard you say that.

[Mall]

I don't think dancing or not a pitch correcting mic. But you know, if she did.

[Damaris]

No, if she. Nobody would care. But Peach said. Did you see the minor league baseball game? National anthem.

[Rory]

I mean I saw people talking about it being the worst thing that's ever happened.

[Mall]

Who was singing?

[Rory]

I think it was a group.

[Damaris]

No, let me play it. We can play it, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, we should be able to play this.

[Mall]

It's America. Of course we can play if they flag us.

[Rory]

That's crazy. Saluting to this is hilarious

[Mall]

as gleaming

[Damaris]

who Broad stripes and bright stars through

[Mall]

the per the ra we watch were so.

[Rory]

Can you stand up please Take my words? Take your hat off.

[Damaris]

Oh, Jesus, no. Okay, that's enough.

[Rory]

You just about to get busy.

[Damaris]

No ear.

[Mall]

That was worse than Carl Lewis. Remember Carl Lewis, Y' all don't remember that?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Wow. Show my age. Show my age. That was terrible. That was good and terrible.

[Damaris]

Good.

[Rory]

Sometimes I want, like. Do you think old people know when they go viral?

[Mall]

No, they don't even know what that is.

[Rory]

Like, do you. Do you think the three of them have any idea that this is a thing on the Internet?

[Mall]

Look at car.

[Rory]

Y' all have never seen. Seen this before. Oh,

[Mall]

Oh, say can you see? And the Rockets regular.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

I'll make up for it now. The land of the free. Yo, that was the craziest shit ever.

[Damaris]

Did you watch it in real time?

[Mall]

Hell, yeah. That was the Nets and the Bulls playing. Hell, yeah, I watched that game.

[Rory]

Didn't Fergie have a crazy one?

[Damaris]

Probably, yeah. But, I mean, that's.

[Rory]

Fergie had an awful one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, a couple people did, but that's the one worst one I've ever seen.

[Mall]

Like, Carl Lewis. Yeah. That's the worst national anthem ever. That lady, though, that the minor league, she runner up. She teethering the line, though. Cause you could tell she's probably the choir director at church. She probably thinks she really could sing. And they just let her do that because she won't let nobody else do it. She one of those old black ladies that's. She ain't letting nobody else do nothing. So it's like, all right, go ahead, let her do it. She thought she was killing that.

[Rory]

I felt like y' all just didn't understand the octave. She was trying to take us.

[Mall]

Mm.

[Damaris]

Mm. She ain't understand it either.

[Mall]

Carl Lewis said, I'm about to make up for it.

[Damaris]

Yo, I'm about to make up for it, bro.

[Mall]

You know you're still doing. Yeah, you're still supposed to be singing.

[Damaris]

Is he a singer?

[Rory]

It's like, when the cheating husband gets called, I'll make up for it. And then he just keeps cheating.

[Mall]

He gets caught again. It's like, all right, man. Don't worry about that at this point.

[Rory]

Don't give me flowers. Stop cheating.

[Mall]

Track athlete, one of the greatest sprinters ever.

[Damaris]

So then why was he singing?

[Mall]

It was that whole.

[Rory]

In his range.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. He was trying to show that he had. It was that whole, like. It was a time where they were trying to get, like, big names, athletes and stars to kind of, like, do the anthem. Like. Oh, he sings, too. Word. Okay. Let Carl do it.

[Rory]

In front of Michael Jordan.

[Mall]

In front of Michael Jordan.

[Damaris]

He didn't have to, like, audition.

[Mall]

I mean, I'm sure he had to, like, could get There early and do like a, you know, sound check. Sound check.

[Damaris]

They ain't check well enough.

[Mall]

They ain't check his sound. I mean, he might have killed in the soundtrack. You know, the crowd might have, you know, made him nervous. Mike standing right there, you know, it might have just made him a little nervous.

[Damaris]

It's the people, it's the players, like, trying not to laugh. That shit is cool.

[Rory]

Singing in front of Michael Jordan. I'd be nervous as fuck if you

[Mall]

don't know how to sing. Yeah, period.

[Rory]

Michael Jordan's right there. I gotta sing.

[Mall]

Yeah, but if you know how to sing, you about to sing. Carl Lewis don't know how to fucking sing. He should have never been out there, man. He should have never been out there.

[Rory]

It'd be funny if he sprinted out

[Mall]

of there, dropped the mic, he had

[Rory]

that real high, high run to Carlos's arms, went this.

[Mall]

Yeah, he was better off. Yo, that was crazy.

[Damaris]

M, Can I get your rendition of the national anthem? Just a couple lines.

[Mall]

Nah, Voice and John Legend voice don't do that, man.

[Rory]

Cuz see, good Democrat there.

[Mall]

Y' all do like that. And then people think that I don't like John Legend. I hate John. Don't do that, man.

[Damaris]

N singing John Legend, boys.

[Rory]

Oh, you know. You know, the runs would be crazy on that one. That national anthem will probably take five minutes. How long would O say, can you see John Legend?

[Mall]

And he gonna give you a piano solo. You know, he'll give you a piano solo at the bridge.

[Damaris]

Y', all, ain't.

[Rory]

I told you when I went to the. The auction for all the art and everything, and John Legend was there when I went with Chance.

[Mall]

Uh huh. Yeah.

[Rory]

That he sang in the middle of his feet.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Rory]

I was trying so hard not to la. Just thinking of y', all.

[Mall]

Like, yo, y', all, y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Mall]

Cause y', all, it was a sensitive time and y' all hated when I was on my shit, but y' all don't give me enough credit. When John Legend sang for them firemen.

[Rory]

No, I was right there with you. I brought it up again.

[Mall]

That was the most. That was the dumbest shit. Like, it's okay for us to be. Like, why? Like, there's no reason John Legend should be visiting a fire. What was that? The LA fires in la fire. Why is John Legend at the fire station singing Ordinary People to firefighters? Like, it's just certain shit.

[Rory]

That's just like singing Ordinary People to firefighters. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, it's like, well, we don't need that.

[Damaris]

Keeping the Morale up.

[Mall]

That's not gonna do it. Ordinary John. Get out of here.

[Rory]

It depends how you look at it, though.

[Mall]

Because they don't listen to John Legend. They don't care about John Legend.

[Damaris]

Everybody listens to John Legend.

[Mall]

No, the they do not.

[Damaris]

When I say when, I mean everybody listens to John Legend is you can't go throughout life without hearing John Legend. Everybody listens.

[Mall]

The same way everybody listens to Taylor SW firefighters. When John Legend walked up to that firehouse, they had to tell them who. Who that was, was. I guarantee you none of them.

[Rory]

No, I'm sure some of them knew who John Legend was. Not all of them, but he's pretty.

[Mall]

Wasn't there a white fire? Wasn't like a bunch of white boys.

[Damaris]

They love John Legend. They support John Legend.

[Rory]

White women love John. I don't know if white men love John.

[Mall]

Not until they heard ordinary people. They was like, ah, they did that. Oh, that's. You okay, that. Yeah, we. I know that song.

[Rory]

You just like, imagine though, coming out of the forest or those neighborhoods, like. Like coughing. You get a break, finally get some water. Like you're swapping with the next guy to go in. And it's like.

[Mall]

And then, hey, girl, I'm in love with you.

[Rory]

We have a special treat for the firefighters today.

[Mall]

Past the infatuation phase. Like, get the fuck out of here.

[Rory]

I know smoke sometimes hurts.

[Mall]

Get the fuck out. Nobody want to hear that shit, man. It's okay to be like, yo, that's just awkward. Like, why we.

[Damaris]

So if he offered to sing at your wedding, you wouldn't allow him at a wedding?

[Mall]

John Legend makes sense. He makes 1 million percent sense. At a wedding. Firehouse. No.

[Damaris]

Well, who would you have sing at the firehouse?

[Mall]

At the firehouse. You gotta give us some shit to, like, get us ready to go out there and fucking save the community.

[Rory]

Bruce Springsteen.

[Mall]

Yeah, give us. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

We're not gonna take it.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, like Bon Jovi, maybe. Like, you know, give us that.

[Damaris]

Okay. Can you name somebody black?

[Mall]

Somebody black? Yeah. Give us. Give us Travis Scott.

[Damaris]

Them firefighters don't know one Travis Scott song.

[Rory]

Wait. And we're talking about pitch corrected mics. Travis Scott acapella. In a park that's burning down.

[Mall]

It's lit.

[Damaris]

It's lit.

[Mall]

And I'm like, oh, that's. They got Travis tickets. Would have been hype. Like, yo, they bought Travis. John Legend.

[Rory]

They got Travis Scott scoring my death. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, come on, man, give us somebody. I mean, give us somebody that's gonna get us hype.

[Damaris]

Get us fiend.

[Mall]

Yeah, dad. At the firehouse. Go off feed at the fire.

[Rory]

So let's crack a window. That'd be ironic.

[Mall]

Crack a window at the fire.

[Rory]

You could use it.

[Damaris]

Couldn't help getting that little jokey joke off, could you? What's that?

[Rory]

What's the name? It's a hit record. I want to say octane. I just thought octane. Antidote. Antidote would be very. That's.

[Mall]

That goes off at a five.

[Rory]

That's very sensitive at a fire.

[Damaris]

L. Fire, man.

[Mall]

Lil Wayne would have went off at the firehouse. Anybody other than little John Legend put you out. John Legend is not firehouse music. They don't listen to that in the firehouse. If I'm in the firehouse and John Legend. Come on. I'm definitely changing the station. Like, if I work there. Come on. We not listening.

[Damaris]

What Pandora station. You putting on John Legend if you fighting first.

[Rory]

Pandora station is great.

[Mall]

I mean, you got to hear. We want to hear some.

[Damaris]

Some.

[Mall]

Some uptempo shit in the firehouse.

[Damaris]

I feel like Bruno Mars radio.

[Mall]

Ah, I see why you say Bruno, but that's still a little too sexy

[Damaris]

for, like, Bruno, I'll catch a grenade for you. Firehouse grenade.

[Mall]

Yeah, but when that. All right, so when that song go off, then what?

[Damaris]

I think I want to marry you.

[Mall]

We're not playing at the firehouse.

[Damaris]

24 karat magic.

[Mall]

We not 24 karat magic at the firehouse.

[Damaris]

Sliding out of home is definitely playing at the firehouse. They not fighting fires at the firehouse. They chilling, eating spaghetti, petting the dog.

[Rory]

That's your porn brand. 24 karat. They're sliding down the poles to Bruno on their off time with glitter.

[Mall]

You think going on at the fire. They're not listening to that, man.

[Damaris]

I feel like we got mad firefighter listeners too. So shout out to all our first responders, man. They listening to us in the firehouse podcast for sure. For sure.

[Mall]

Definitely. Definitely. Shout out to all the firemen, man. That's like the. That's the job that I respect to the full.

[Damaris]

For sure.

[Mall]

Oh, for sure. To see a building on fire.

[Damaris]

Like, I'm gonna go in that.

[Mall]

I got him. I got him. You.

[Rory]

You about to run a fireman. I have a couple FDNY shirts that up I'm wear on Monday to. To record just. Just so we can show.

[Mall]

No, I support the firemen. I support the 5 FDNY. That's a fact.

[Damaris]

All that, like, material they gotta wear and running there is hot. I even Had a hot flash. Take all that off. Scalding, scalded, burnt. It's hot as in there. Yeah.

[Mall]

Hell yeah. That. That's a job I respect.

[Rory]

They got two day work week, though. Two day work week.

[Damaris]

Two, three days.

[Rory]

Three days.

[Mall]

All right. Full, full benefits.

[Rory]

Well, they fucking deserve it. They're running into burning buildings.

[Mall]

One million percent. Let them have it.

[Damaris]

Nah. I was this sexy, like, firefighter I had a crush on one time, and I really wanted to put like a cat in it. Me and my homegirl was like, okay, if we put the cat in the tree and call him? Cause I'm in his district, will he come get the cat? He was off like, can I request? What, fireman? I want to come get the cat out the tree.

[Mall]

He was off that day. He was on vacation.

[Damaris]

He went off.

[Rory]

Which cat you talking about?

[Damaris]

Huh? Oh, haha funny.

[Rory]

Don't haha funny when it was funny

[Damaris]

like, I'm going for my coochie cat.

[Rory]

Putting your coochie in a tree.

[Mall]

It's like, yeah, witchcat.

[Rory]

I'm stuck in a tree with no draws on Damaris.

[Mall]

Get your ass down. They don't want to like, get your ass down.

[Rory]

We have a firehouse close by. Like, maybe Mal should. We could shoot some content. Mall could sing a national anthem outside, like in the morning for the him.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. He got to sing Ordinary People.

[Mall]

They will call the police.

[Rory]

Yo, mall singing Ordinary People outside the fire.

[Mall]

And there's nobody in. Like, they're not even outside.

[Damaris]

They out fighting a fire. They come back like, is you doing on my property?

[Rory]

Yo, there's a firehouse right across from Amar's school. And we have to stop there every time that we walk back from school. And they're great. They let her climb on the truck, everything.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

One time the alarm went off and both of us jumped. I was petrified. I was like, that is loud. Amar's screaming. I'm screaming, please. She's looking me for security.

[Mall]

And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm scared as well. Yeah, let's get the fuck out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah. But no, they're super cool to Amar and let her do whatever she wants in that firehouse.

[Mall]

No worry.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano, and on my podcast Unshaken with Gary Vee, I sit

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

Bill, why is my eye twitching? Does this mean I'm in perimenopause? Maybe I have adult adhd. I need to look this up. Where's my phone?

[Mall]

Juliana, your phone is hot to the touch.

[Rory]

I think it's asking you for a break. You know what? Maybe I should just ask ChatGPT. Or maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes, like a couple sex therapist.

[Mall]

Whoa. That Escalated quickly.

[Rory]

But okay, because I have questions.

[Mall]

We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions like,

[Rory]

is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that.

[Mall]

How about this one?

[Rory]

Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know, why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

Okay, well, instead of letting the Internet guess, we've got actual people, answering these exact questions and laughing with us has got to be better than spending three hours down a rabbit hole online. Listen to Bill and Juliana, the podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

Sometimes I'll have my girlfriend pre chew spicy food and kind of baby bird it into my mouth. Is that weird?

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

Do we wanna talk about this Top Dog thing before voicemails?

[Mall]

Yeah, man, he was right about some. Some things you said.

[Rory]

I mean, I didn't have any, like, insight on that. I just assumed knowing both of those people and how they react, somebody feel away.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

For those that don't know Stack, Quo was on the Company Man's podcast and Top Dog did call in and said that Kendrick started to not really fuck with Game after he brought Drake to Compton specifically because Drake was dissing Kendrick on there. And then Game did end up hitting stat Quo about it and said, hey, man, I didn't know he felt that way. I didn't feel any type of way when he did the power scene with 50 though. I think those are. Are.

[Mall]

It's a difference.

[Rory]

This is, yeah, apples and bowling balls as far as a comparison. But Game said, if I held grudges, would LA Rap even be what it is? Which is a fair point point. But I feel like that's passed now that Game and Kendrick could fix that.

[Mall]

Game and Kendrick. Yeah, I mean, I would think so. I don't know if. I don't know if Game really cares to fix it, though.

[Rory]

I agree with you.

[Mall]

Like, I think that. Because, you know, obviously he just had the verses and he said, you know, he was doing the song with Drake. He said, yo, this is my. I don't care who feel away about it.

[Rory]

It.

[Mall]

So, you know, I mean, I don't. You know, I just. I just think that, you know, Game is just, you know, his. His. His side is his side. He's. He's been very clear, very vocal about that. Again, this is just. I don't really don't know the. The root of it. Like, obviously Kendrick feels that Drake was talking about him on the 100 on the song.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't think Kendrick felt a way about. Drake didn't say anything crazy on the song, but he's clearly taking a shot. Because they were taking subliminals at each other for years at that point. I don't think Kendrick was, like, pissed in the house. Like, yo, Drake said that about. I think he was looking at Game like, okay, you brought him to where we live to say that? Yeah, I think he was way more mad at Game. I don't think he gave a fuck about what Drake. He's like, that's par for the course we've both been sending shots to. Kendrick had sent shots before that. I think he was just looking at Game like, okay, you're bringing him. Y' all could have shot the video anywhere. Y' all shot you shooting this three blocks from my crib.

[Mall]

Like, at some point, I think Game and Kendrick gonna have to have a conversation.

[Rory]

Well, they've had people found photos and.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about.

[Rory]

Yeah, a conversation. I get it.

[Damaris]

It.

[Rory]

That's what people.

[Mall]

We can stop doing the whole, you know, Compton. We both from Compton. We love each other, love the hood. This obviously, maybe not from Game side. I think Kendrick feels a way towards Game.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what I mean, that's what I was saying. And that's what Top confirmed. Like, yeah, Kendrick, yeah, but Game.

[Mall]

But then you said. Game said what?

[Rory]

That he didn't feel. No way. When. When Kendrick went and did Power, which was a hilarious scene. I. I do hope Kendrick gets, like, into acting. Cause that Power scene when he played that crackhead was the fun. Funniest shit ever.

[Mall]

Okay, so that was Game's response, right? Yeah, obviously, they. Them two, they need to have. Yeah, just them two have a conversation. You know, because there is some underlying things that might manifest into something bigger if you know. Yeah. Because when you let things like that just kind of go under the radar and just kind of act like there's not an issue or somebody doesn't feel away, there's things that happen where you may do something that may trigger it to where now it's a real thing and it's like, oh shit, I didn't even know you felt away about any of that. Like. So that's what I'm saying. Them two, they need to have a conversation.

[Rory]

And I've also been kind of like, well, not. Well, yeah, no. Guilty of certain stuff like that too. Where game is saying like I didn't feel no way when you did the shit with 50. But you peeped it.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You always peep the move. You peeped. You always peep it. You may not speak on it.

[Rory]

And now if you feel away. Okay, well then now I feel away about it.

[Mall]

Oh, but I've been, I've been guilty

[Rory]

of that where I said I haven't felt away about something but then something happens. I'm like, why didn't feel away then. But now if you feel in this type of way now I'm like, all right, what do we do?

[Mall]

Cuz then that turn into. I didn't say nothing when you. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? I just, I. I didn't say nothing

[Rory]

when you did Human thing. I think we all have.

[Mall]

Right, Right.

[Rory]

So there's plenty of. I. I would have never bring up and nor like harp on or care about until somebody. But if you bring.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. So that's why I feel like they need to have.

[Rory]

But then you have to ask yourself, did you really not care? Because it's a little hypocritical. I'm saying me personally, I've done that.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, same. But I'm saying there's certain things that you can like it will trigger like yo. But I didn't. When you did that shit, I didn't

[Rory]

feel the type of weird. I didn't know we was on that.

[Mall]

So yeah, it didn't bother me. But it's like if what I just did bothered you, like, like I could have felt the way about that and that shit didn't mean nothing to me. So that's what I'm saying. Like them two, they need to have a conversation because there's something there.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean I know I Mean, do you know Top history? Obviously we talked about the. The first time I ever heard K Dot was on a Game mixtape. But the Top in Game relationship goes back very far. So I think that's something that Top could probably get the two of them in a row.

[Mall]

It's enough Mutuals to have a conversation. There's way too many mutuals.

[Rory]

Because even how Kendrick got early on with the Game mixtapes and a round game was because Top had already had a relationship with Game and his whole crew.

[Mall]

Right. You know, they could have a conversation. They need to, though. They need to because it's way too many. Like, we just talked at the top of the show. Mutuals. There's way too many mutuals.

[Rory]

But. And why I think their history goes so deep is we don't really know Top to call anyone to clear anything up.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because there's some shit that has been said about Kendrick on Diss Records. I mean, everything we talked about the last however many years have we ever heard Top say a thing.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

But then when it comes to a Game thing, you're hitting Stat Quo on the Company man podcast to clear something up about Game that nobody was really cared that much about to begin with until now, to me, shows how deep, deep rooted that entire thing is. Because you didn't clear up a fucking thing with Kendrick, nor did we expect you to. Top has always stayed very quiet.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

To me, that says more than what Stat quote said, the fact that Top even called him to clear that up on a podcast.

[Mall]

Yeah, it says that there's some real, like, feelings and emotions and intentions behind a lot of that shit. Like, and we want to clear certain things up. We don't want things to be said. That's not. You know, because this situation can be very. It's a very tricky situation.

[Rory]

It's very LA politics are. I'm never even gonna try to understand.

[Mall]

Yeah, but they. They need to, though. Like, Game. I think Game and Kendrick definitely need to have a conversation about some things, and I think they probably will. So. Yeah, we'll see.

[Rory]

Do we have voicemails here?

[Damaris]

We have one.

[Mall]

You've got mail.

[Rory]

What's good, y'?

[Damaris]

All?

[Mall]

This is Bill from nc.

[Rory]

Hey, Bill.

[Mall]

So I got a question. So I. I'm a big 80s and 90s R B fan.

[Rory]

Like, I love, you know, I love. I love that time of music.

[Damaris]

Same.

[Mall]

I was listening to Keith Sweat the other day and, you know, I love him. He's one of my favorite artists from that time. But I was thinking, like, I don't know if he would be as successful if he came out in the 2000s. He's not really the best vocalist. Everybody kind of knows that. But he. I think he.

[Rory]

I think he was.

[Mall]

I think he came out in the right time. So my question to you guys is, what are some artists that you think if they would have came out at a different time, their career would be completely different, whether good or bad. So, like, for example, I think if Larry June came out maybe like in a Wiz Khalifa time, maybe like that 2010 era, I think he would be completely more. I think he'll be completely more popular than he is now. So just kind of curious to see what you guys thought. I mean, that's easy. Any rapper from the 90s, late 90s, that didn't really blow like that, if they was to come out now, they would be incredible.

[Rory]

Oh, you're saying just because they could rap better than.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, well, I'll ask kind of a different question based off his, though, because I've had these debates of, like, what if Jay Z came out in this time? I think if you have someone that has that type of brain, they would adjust to the times because they're so smart. They would be a representation of a new sound the same way they did it at that point. Like beans, late 90s. I don't think Beans is going to sound like Beans. If you put beans, 21 years old in 2026, if I was. He's going to still have that same talent because he has. He's beat, but I don't think he's going to go about it and be the lyrical beings that he is.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, it's. But it's tricky because the business changed. The way we listen to music changed. Yeah, I'm just talking about always just from a skill set like the business. We can't really, you know, that's out of our control with technology and, you know, being able to listen to music on our phones. And then if I'm listening to music on my phone and Rory calls me, I'm no longer listening to the song. I might forget to go back to even listen to the song once I get off the phone. Like, it's just so many different things pulling at our attention now where we don't really kind of, like, receive the music the way we used to before put the music on. You know, that's what it was. I'm listening to music now. Like I said, you have your music playing and you get a text or something pulls your attention away Somebody hits the group chat, sends a video. You click on the video, now you're not listening. It's just so many different things. But from a skill set standpoint, I think that if any rapper was to come out now with the skill set of a Beanie Siegel, and we see his video on Instagram and he's in Philly rapping like that, everybody's gonna like, yo, that dude is nice. Like, it's gonna be a unanimous. Like, whether the songs connect to, you know, the. The. The. The consumer and the business of it, how they market him as an artist. And that's a whole separate conversation. But just from a skill set, if we was to hear a rapper right now coming out of Philly with Beanie Siegel's skill set, it would be a unanimous. That dude is nice.

[Rory]

But that's what worked at that time. And again, we'll just use Jay and Beans as examples. Jay came out the gate saying, I'm a hustler. Just so happens I know how to rap.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

He's even said, truth be told, if lyrics sold lyrically, I beat Talib kwa. Like, he said, he's dumbed this shit down. I'm saying if those guys. Because at the end of the day, of course they love the music and love hip hop, but they also were in the projects and were trying to make money. They're going to adjust to the sound or what's going on at the moment, where. Yeah, of course, Beans would have maybe a freestyle in South Philly on camera with everybody that probably has felonies. And unfortunately, there'd probably be a Rico, but I think he would adjust to some of the sound that is now and dumb down some of his lyrics. Yeah, because he's trying to make some money. Not trying to be the best lyrical one at that time. Being the best lyrical person with just Blaze behind you made you a millionaire.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

That doesn't happen anymore. And I don't think Beans is going to do it for the love of hip hop.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

I think Beans is going to adjust to what works to make you some money.

[Mall]

Bleak is another one. Bleak came out in 98.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, 96. Technically.

[Mall]

Like, you know who he was. Had to rap, like, with and around. Like, you move him a little more to the 2000s.

[Rory]

Yeah. Difference, I think. I think Most Def Yasin Bay, if he comes out in this era, he's a bigger superstar than he was back then. I think people take to.

[Mall]

Hell no.

[Rory]

I think people take to alternative music and don't act like Most Def doesn't have hits that he's singing, rapping. He adjusted. He was not always that lyrical guy all the time. I think that is. You can be a superstar now. Well, not superstar, but you could be a star with that alternative sound in this era. More than you could when he was competing with the guys that we were doing it. Now that is on Tyler.

[Mall]

Nah, him and him and him and him and Moses is different, though. Ms. Fat Booty now, it wouldn't ring off like that. They don't want to hear that, bro. This era is probably.

[Rory]

We're talking about that mind in this era.

[Damaris]

I literally was just about to say, I don't think if Cole and Kendrick came out right now, I don't think they would have had the career structure.

[Mall]

Yeah, nobody want to hear that shit now.

[Rory]

I'm not disagreeing with y'. All.

[Mall]

We just watched double.

[Rory]

I don't think y' all are that familiar with most catalog where even like a three stacks. When you have love below, you can see the range of the type of music they can make. Make. And I've seen what Tyler has done with that. If you don't think those type of geniuses could move in this era, you're crazy.

[Mall]

I just don't think that people want to hear that music, that type of music that they would.

[Rory]

Tyler does arenas.

[Damaris]

Tyler's been doing music for a long time, though. That's the thing that, like, he's doing arenas because of his cult fan base that he's built. So if you come out fresh right now and have to garner new fans with what people are looking for and what's pushed, it wouldn't be as hard

[Rory]

as someone that's coming out in 2026 if they're a star already, because it's only been six months. But I'm just using a younger person as an example. That went with the alternative route. That was not the typical route a rapper took, where you're chasing a hit record and is selling just as much as the people that did that. Yeah, I think most could. I think most would be better received in a Tyler era than maybe he was in his. It's easier to get to. Like, most could have ran the Internet instead of having it to. To try to compete in a Virgin record store. Like what?

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think. I don't think not most. Not in this era. I just. I. I couldn't see it. I don't think. I don't think these. These. These consumers now even care to hear that type of Shit. Unless you already like. Like you came up in that sound then. Yeah, but like, these young guys trying to listen to that now, they not trying to hear that type of shit. Because I'm thinking younger consumers, not us. I'm thinking younger than us.

[Rory]

Well, his question was. He said Larry June in the Wiz era. So I was saying most in Tyler. That's what I was getting at. No, I don't. I don't know what Most would do in 2026, because I don't know where this is going in the next few months. I'm saying most in the Tyler era. Yes, that works.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Larry in the Wiz era is interesting only because wasn't that Dom's era too?

[Rory]

Dom Currency is where. Where I feel like Larry.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I would land. I just feel like it would have been too many. It would have been too much competition for Larry. Like with Dom, I. Because with Dom was his sound, what he was doing then.

[Rory]

I think what makes Larry so special now is that no one sounds like him.

[Mall]

No one sound like they're not making that, like, in that era.

[Rory]

That's why he shines. And I think in that era, of course he'd still be great, but.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, you have a lot of layback currency. You like. Yeah, you're compete. You're competing, huh?

[Mall]

He was like, rapping back then, like a different Persona.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, no, I know what I'm saying.

[Mall]

Definitely in the Bay.

[Rory]

He's definitely hit his stride now, like.

[Mall]

But I'm willing to bet that him making music back then was because that was the sound coming out of the west coast. That was kind of like the cool guys underground, the Doms. And you know those guys that was making that type of music. Music where it was like, okay, yeah, we could all be on our own little just talk our. We not trying to be borrow you down and be crazy nice. We just talking. We just talking slick, talking fly.

[Rory]

Yeah. Having a good time like I was. It was right before Ross had taken MMG over to Atlantic. I was at Def Jamming and they wanted to sign Dom under MMG before I went over when they were trying to keep all of mmg.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Before they did. The meek know they were still working paid workout. How do you think that would have went?

[Mall]

It have been the worst decision Dom Kennedy would ever made. He.

[Rory]

He flat out said, respectfully, Ross, what you would know.

[Mall]

Yeah, that would have been the worst decision you ever made.

[Rory]

In hindsight. Yeah, I hear that.

[Mall]

Yeah. Without a doubt. He doesn't fit that.

[Rory]

I guess I Mean, I was seeing what Ross was trying to do with that and Callie was definitely coaching and helping at that time of what they were trying to do with mmg. And they had. They were trying to sign Stali Meek Wallet. They were trying to do a full range pill. Remember pill? They were trying to do a wide range. I was like, oh, Dom at that. At my type of party. I was like, he'd be doing MMG a favor, right. Signing over there. I think we would have got a great Dom album that would have had. Had the MMG touch. But in the long run, now that I know what Dom was trying to do.

[Mall]

Nah, Dom is the way he did. He did his thing. Was. Was perfect. I still listen to Dom.

[Rory]

Dom's one of my favorites.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like he. He didn't need to be around a conglomerate like that. It just didn't. It wasn't what he. He was about.

[Rory]

Yeah, I should. Yellow is a classic original. Dom Kennedy is a classic.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Dom has at least four debatable classic mix tapes.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Don was early on. On selling when everyone was just putting this up on blogs. Don was like, no, give me my $7, bro.

[Mall]

Right. Yeah, No, I remember.

[Rory]

He's sitting there like, damn, I gotta pay.

[Mall]

The way he did it was, was. Was perfect. And then I went to. I caught one of his live shows here at Urban Plaza years ago.

[Rory]

I saw him at Highline.

[Mall]

Packed that up.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

I was surprised at that. Like, I didn't think that New York was like tapped in with Don Mike like that.

[Rory]

Now Don's one of those.

[Mall]

We need some new Dom Kennedy, man. You with Dom Kennedy, baby. D. It's all right. I'll put you on.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Not the way I tried to force Freddie Gibbs on you. I think if I played you some Dom, I think you would actually like.

[Damaris]

I'm sure I've heard Dom Kennedy perform, but I can't recite a song, but I'm sure I've heard him before. I was really into music during the blogger days.

[Mall]

It's just talk slick.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I'm sure I know a song or two, but I can't recite.

[Rory]

Really. Just cool ladies, way back west coast music. Yeah, Dom was dope, but. Yeah.

[Mall]

Any.

[Rory]

Any others off the top of your head of artists in different eras?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Griselda in the 90s obviously would have

[Rory]

been way better, but I think that kind of lands on your Larry.

[Mall]

I mean, yeah, they would have ran into the Wolf.

[Rory]

Anything away from Griselda whatsoever. And yes, Conway, Benny, Wes, they would have thrived like they're just as good

[Mall]

as rap, but it would have been a lot of Wu Tang.

[Rory]

But I'm telling you why we love them so much is because it was so refreshing to hear it, to hear that type of now.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. It goes both ways when it comes to that. Because that coming out of the 90s, the whole Wu Tang wave, it would

[Rory]

have been tough, you know, it would be one of the biggest superstars music streaming antics. Old Dirty Bastard would be the greatest streamer of all time. And he makes amazing music.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You put ODB next to Blackboy. Max Sky's the limit.

[Mall]

If I put him next to plaques, let him stream by himself. Let me just see.

[Rory]

No, of course.

[Mall]

Let me just see what he's doing.

[Rory]

Max makes people make music on the spot. Well, he streams.

[Mall]

Yeah. To watch ODB stream, that would have been like when he was hosting like mtv, like they went to the hood and was like f. That was like must see tv. And they just had him for a couple of. Couple hours watching him unfiltered on stream. You got to watch that.

[Rory]

That MTV News when. Yeah, when he was in Brooklyn by the. By the river.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Coco Jones in 2011, I feel like would be doing better than she is now.

[Mall]

2011.

[Damaris]

Okay. All right.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, that was the dominating.

[Damaris]

That was the Kerry Hilson.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Kind of era. Carrie Hilson, maybe Keisha. A little bit of Keisha.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That era.

[Mall]

Cassie.

[Damaris]

Cassie. Yeah, that was a little. Cassie was a little before then, but yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But either way, traditional, like, you had Neo leading everything. So traditional R B was working at that time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Was Keisha Cole, right? Yeah, Yeah. I can see Coco back there.

[Damaris]

It been a lot better. I feel like Jeezy in this era.

[Rory]

Jeezy in this era as a TW. As a 20 year old. What you mean Belly Gang? You think Belly Gang is cheesy?

[Mall]

Just the DNA.

[Rory]

Oh, no. Okay. All right. Yeah, of course. He definitely has like Jeezy influence.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I appreciate that because he's a ginger. Like, that makes us feel included.

[Mall]

Like, I'm.

[Rory]

Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. But I'm saying Jeezy with his story.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

In this era, that can only have that trap. Lord Ross would lose his mind if he had Jeezy's story. Like Jeezy, how he raps, the music he makes, who he's with, where the. Like that would.

[Mall]

Who he's in a video with.

[Rory]

I like Lil Baby. You'd have to move to the side. Like Jeezy Might be bigger in this era than he was in that for sure. With the talent of the music he makes, that sound still works. Yeah, Jeezy might. The feds might make up some and cut his rundown quicker in this era.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But Jeezy would be.

[Mall]

With the help of YouTubers.

[Rory]

Yeah. Jeezy would be the go for sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. We'll never see nothing like that again, though. I think it's over for that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is fine.

[Mall]

No, I'm cool with that. Totally fine with that.

[Rory]

As a taxpaying S. Like, it's okay if we get rid of some of that.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But this is cool. Let's get to Patreon. If you didn't see, Mall was named in the name this black icon Internet series and we're gonna do our own

[Mall]

on pitch series is funny. It was just. It was a tick tock, right?

[Rory]

No, it's a series now.

[Mall]

Oh, it is.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

Well, we'll make it. We'll make it a series now.

[Rory]

So we're gonna go to Patreon, and I have a folder full of whites that Maul's gonna try to name.

[Mall]

I know some of the whites, though. I just hope you didn't go too white.

[Rory]

I went pretty white.

[Mall]

Oh, all right.

[Rory]

Yeah, I went pretty white.

[Mall]

We'd be surprised, though. I know some whites.

[Rory]

My mom might be in this. You never know the curveball that could pop up.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

And I, from my understanding, you and Damaris put together. Yeah. Demerit's got some amazing black eyes.

[Mall]

I got some black icons that I could throw in here to see if. You know, I don't think I'm gonna

[Rory]

be that good at this.

[Damaris]

I think you're gonna be way better than Mall and Zipper.

[Mall]

You think so?

[Rory]

Even with the one where Mall went right before mlk, which, you know, that's a natural progression. There was like, black actors. Like, I know the actor. I don't know his real name, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So this will be interesting on Patreon and. And we're going to throw Zip in the mix too. Let's see the whites at Zip nose.

[Damaris]

All right, you guys ready to wrap it up?

[Mall]

Ready to go Like a condom. Talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. We on our way to Patreon. Zip, where you at?

[Rory]

Before we let you guys go, I have to leave y' all with a question. Mal, what is a hip hop lyric that changed the way you saw music? Because that's really what Sprite Living Track List is about. It's not about crowning winners, it's about starting a conversation and debating. Fifty tracks, generations of artists, endless debates. And Sprite didn't just put lyrics on the can mall, they went even deeper, bringing together hip hop experts and tastemakers to help unpack the stories and the impact behind every single song on the list.

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

Why do some women yearn for Shakira's black hair to make a comeback? And whatever happened to the power couple of my dreams? Mariah Carey and Luis Miguel?

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Anything for Selena or my Divo.

[Damaris]

And now I'm back to unpack more stories from the present and the past.

[Rory]

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[Damaris]

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rory]

Bill, why is my eye twitching? Does this mean I'm in perimenopause? Where's my phone? Juliana, maybe we can ask an actual human.

[Damaris]

Human?

[Rory]

Yes, because I have questions, and I bet you do too.

[Mall]

Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms?

[Rory]

We do that. And I still need to know why

[Mall]

my poop's been green.

[Rory]

We've got actual people answering these exact questions. Listen to Bill and Juliana the podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

[Damaris]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.