Episode 530 | Goth's Plan

Summary

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New Rory & Mal – Episode 530: "Goth's Plan"

Release Date: August 11, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & Mal (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)
Hosts: Rory & Mal

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Rory and Mal hold down the pod duo-style, with Damaris and Ryan notably absent. The theme is loose, lively, and reflective—centering on Drake's now-viral "20 v 1" speed-dating stream with the Nelk Boys for Stake, the ensuing social media outrage, and larger questions about celebrity access, Internet outrage, and hip-hop's evolving relationship with fame and spectacle. The guys also trade takes on the Chris Brown & Usher stadium tour, recap trending Internet conspiracy theories around Jay Z and Drake, debate the "hall pass" dilemma, and reminisce on the shift from music mystique to over-exposed online personas.

Throughout, they're self-aware about how anything involving Drake or Kendrick has become high-stakes Internet fodder, interrogating where fandom, hate, and hype now meet. Balancing industry insight and banter, this episode is a snapshot of hip-hop's current cultural crossroads.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Allergies & Catching Up (03:13–05:15)

• Mal jokes about not sounding nasally: “We here to get a few things clear. Starting with my nasal. My passages.” (03:26)
• Quick catchup on weekends: Rory details seeing Chris Brown & Usher; Mal claims he had a low-key weekend, mostly cleaning and relaxing.

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2. Chris Brown & Usher Concert Review (05:14–14:32)

• Rory describes attending the Chris Brown/Usher stadium show: "It was like the best of the Breezy bowl. And now let's add in an icon like Usher. It was incredible.” (06:04)
• The pair marvel at Usher's hits and longevity, and discuss which young artists might reach stadium status ("Don Tolliver could do it," says Mal, 06:45).
• Reflecting on the afterparty: Rory humorously observes being one of a handful of men in a room full of women clearly there to see the stars (“You’re part of the décor.” – Mal, 12:03).
• Both hosts give flowers: “Shout out to Chris Brown. Shout out to Usher.” (11:25–11:27)

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3. "Why Are Y'all Mad at Drake?" — The Stake 20 v 1 Drama (17:01–31:06 & 35:19–45:23)

Context:

• The "20 v 1" mainstream: Drake appears on a Stake/Nelk Boys stream, doing a viral 'dating game' segment, sparking a massive (and, to the hosts, baffling) backlash.

The Backlash:

• Both hosts are bemused by the outrage.
  • “I wish I even had it in me to pretend like I do—just again for discourse. But I don’t care.” – Rory (17:15)
  • “What are people upset about? He’s speed dating on stream. I just don’t understand that.” – Mal (19:10)
  • “He’s told y’all, ‘I’m not settling down… Going to therapy? It’s not going to work for me.’” – Rory (26:12)
• They dissect possible root causes:
  • Drake’s accessibility is unprecedented: “Drake has made himself the most accessible superstar I think we’ve ever seen." – Rory (20:50)
  • Internet outrage is often monetized: “There is monetization in hating and being upset… people pay mortgages creating these channels.” – Mal (21:28)
  • Some fans want "maturity" or for Drake to adopt a traditional relationship, but both hosts agree: better genuine honesty than fake growth.

Notable Moment:

• Mal singles out how Drake treated a heavyset woman (Detroit rapper) on the stream:
  • “To me, that says a lot about the type of guy he is in that moment… He knew her music… It was a very human, cool interaction.” (26:59–28:39)

On Barking for a Goth Girl:

• Rory and Mal riff on Drake's on-stream bark for a goth contestant, poking fun at the Internet's reaction and their own inability to pull off such a move:
  • “If you bark at a girl on stream, I feel like it’s fair game for anyone to clown you for doing it. I’m not here to defend the barking.” – Rory (41:02)

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4. Celebrity Outrage Machine & Modern Hip-Hop Fandom (45:10–55:58)

Monetizing Drama:

• Rory: “Every single content creator made money off that battle and is continuing to… I'm just happy it’s not our identity.” (45:10)
• Mal praises Drake for not caring: “He’s doing what the f*** he want to do. He’s living his happy little life.” (45:23)

Relationship Gossip & Online Persona Shifts

• The hosts trace hip-hop’s shift from mystique to oversharing and how relationships became promotional tools.
  • “It was always like, are they actually a thug or not? That was the gossip.” – Rory (51:03)
  • "It’s too much accessibility. Now you can make money off talking about these things." – Mal (52:30)
• The Kardashians and Jay-Z/Beyoncé get credit (or blame) for blending hip-hop into tabloid culture.

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5. Jay Z, Drake, Stake, & Online Conspiracy (60:04–82:46)

The Dirt:

• They break down YouTuber What's The Dirt's new video: "Untangling Jay Z's Evil Plan to Destroy Drake".
  • Rory gives context: “Jay Z is a ruthless businessman. I don't think...any businessman or woman at the level of Jay and Dez are not playing behind the scene games.” (61:04)
  • Mal is skeptical of true malicious intent: “I just don't know if I subscribe to just Jay personally intentionally doing things to slight or harm Drake… I need more than just a video of things pieced together.” (63:19)
• Discussion covers industry smear campaigns, Roc Nation lawyers, and the realities of high-level music business rivalries.

AI, Bots & Streaming Allegations:

• They pick apart recent lawsuits accusing Drake of staking (pun) his streaming numbers: “Do people not know that would come to light eventually?… For an artist like Drake, the risk is not worth the reward.” – Mall (79:43)
• Rory: “It’s almost like steroids: If everyone in the league is doing it, you still got to hit the ball. Now we’re at the same playing field.” (82:02)

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6. "Hall Passes" and the Unfairness of Celebrity Worlds (37:21–40:14)

• Playful debate about Lena the Plug, Adam22, and the imbalance of “hall passes” for men vs. women.
  • “I can’t do the hall pass thing because you’re going be able to Drake before I’m able to Rihanna. It’s just… unfair.” – Rory (38:43)
  • Both riff on modern relationship spectacle and the dramedy of sex positivity and celebrity.

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7. Drake’s Next Era? Goths, Alt-Rock, and "Goth’s Plan" (43:23–50:33)

• After Drake's 'goth girl' viral moment, the hosts speculate on a full “emo” or alternative rock album.
  • “Are we going Slipknot? Are we Hot Topic?” – Rory (43:52)
  • “If there’s any artist that can get those bands together to do an album, it’s Drake.” – Mal (49:46)
  • They joke about new power-couple possibilities: "What if we get Drake's 444, but 666?" (48:28)
  • The running joke: “Goth’s plan is God’s plan.” (43:27)
  • On Drake embracing every genre: “Just go all the way with it now… Lean into it!” (49:58)

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8. Hip-Hop Relationship Gossip: Then & Now (50:33–55:58)

• They wax nostalgic for the Biggie-Lil Kim-Faith Evans triangle, contrasting past mystique with today’s oversharing.
  • “It was never a talking point in the barbershop who guys were sleeping with.” – Mal (50:33)
  • “This era of relationships helping rappers wasn’t a thing then, because being a rapper in a relationship was an oxymoron.” – Rory (51:41)

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9. Voicemail Advice: Should I Stay or Go? (96:44–103:21)

Daisy’s Dilemma:

• Caller Daisy details a marriage she entered out of circumstance (helping her partner get citizenship), now feeling unappreciated and unsupported.
  • Both hosts advise: Leave. “You already know. You know what you want. You sound like you already know… This doesn’t sound like a guy who’s made you happy in a long time.” – Mal (99:22)
  • Both (half-jokingly, but sincerely) suspect her husband is Nigerian based on her description. (99:46)

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10. Miscellaneous Fun & Notable Moments

• Wondering why they’re never invited to Invest Fest; jokes about "being cool" enough (15:55–16:32)
• Joking about MySpace's comeback and ranking friends in a "Top 8" (90:27–93:47)
• Debate about rumors of a new Nipsey Hussle album (103:45–105:11)
• "Does Rory Know Black People?" quiz and Patreon plug, with Rory humorously failing to recognize certain hip-hop figures (106:11–108:41)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “From the best rapper alive to the best era of hip hop to what’s the best album to who has the best verse. It’s never-ending conversations until you lose your mind.” — Rory (00:10)
• “Drake has made himself the most accessible superstar I think we’ve ever seen.” — Rory (20:50)
• “It’s part of it. People are gonna love it, people are gonna hate it.” — Mal (31:14)
• “Are we going full Slipknot? Like, are we Hot Topic?” — Rory (43:52)
• “What if we get Drake’s 444, but 666?” — Rory (48:28)
• “There is monetization in hating and being upset… people literally pay mortgages creating these channels.” — Mal (21:28)
• “It’s almost like steroids: If everyone in the league is doing it, you still got to hit the ball… you’re not this big because of the bots.” — Rory (82:02)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:13 – Episode begins (post-ads), allergy jokes, weekend recap
• 05:14 – Chris Brown & Usher show review/stadium music banter
• 17:01 – Drake’s Stake 20 v 1 stream & timeline meltdown discussion starts
• 21:28 – "Monetizing hate" in influencer/Internet era
• 26:46 – Mal on Drake’s humane approach to the 20 v 1 contestant
• 35:19 – Trends in Internet outrage and monetization
• 41:02 – Barking at goth girls: self-aware humor (barking discourse)
• 43:23 – "Goth’s Plan," alternative Drake takes & jokes
• 45:10 – Celebrity drama as content
• 60:04 – Jay Z/Drake/Stake/“What’s the Dirt” conspiracy discussion starts
• 79:43 – Drake and streaming bots debate
• 90:27 – MySpace, social nostalgia, and "Top 8" jokes
• 96:44 – Listener voicemail "Should I stay in my marriage?" advice
• 106:11 – “Does Rory Know Black People?” Patreon plug
• 108:31 – Episode closes; episode signoff and question about influential hip-hop lyrics

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, playful, and irreverent, with a blend of authentic industry insight and humorous critique.
• Frequently self-deprecating and reflexive about their own place in rap media.
• Balances heavy topics (i.e., Internet hate, business conspiracies) with absurd, comedic asides.

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For the Uninitiated

This episode is a microcosm of what makes New Rory & Mal tick: dissecting the week’s music and media drama with a mixture of industry insight and playful irreverence, while staying aware of the Internet’s ecosystem of hype, hate, and hot takes. It’s perfect for those who want to know why Drake’s stream really had Twitter up in arms—or, just as often, why none of that really matters.

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Transcript

[Host/Announcer]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

What's that, Rory?

[Rory]

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[Mall]

That's very true.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Host/Announcer]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

No conductor.

[Mall]

New chlorine. Ma.

[Rory]

We are so back.

[Mall]

We are so back. Rory, we are so back. We are so back. Yes. I'm not nasally this week, Pete. Hear that? You hear that? Everything's cleared up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Let's get. We here to get a few things clear. Starting with my nasal. My passages.

[Rory]

Get that out the way.

[Mall]

Let's get that out the way. We are back.

[Rory]

Men can't have allergies, man.

[Caller/Guest]

What?

[Mall]

We can have allergies, man. We have allergies. It is what it is.

[Rory]

We're not allowed.

[Mall]

What you want me to do? So they was cutting the grass. It was the grass. What you want me to do was the grass.

[Rory]

What murder?

[Mall]

What murder? What lawn?

[Rory]

The best guy around.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. Everybody knows that. It's the best lawn around.

[Rory]

We are back, sponsored by Boost. Damaris is not here. Ryan is not here. It's just the fellas.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

So no one.

[Mall]

Oh, God, it feels great.

[Rory]

Can police our opinions.

[Mall]

You hear that echo? That means there's less people in the room. Yeah.

[Rory]

So you will get the unfiltered take on the wnba.

[Mall]

They can't stop us now. They can't stop us now, Roy.

[Rory]

There's no stopping us. Nobody here to say edit that.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, please. Yes.

[Rory]

We don't have the Gen Z gauge of being offended.

[Mall]

No. Over here, we don't. We don't have anything. It's just us, man.

[Rory]

So what is a woman?

[Mall]

Come on, let's listen. That's that where we started.

[Rory]

I got a lot to talk about.

[Mall]

As far as that goes.

[Rory]

Ironically, I'm pussy. I don't want to go down that path. But we'll talk about the WNBA and all the immediate changes that are afoot. But let's start with how your weekend was. I heard you was moving around the city. Saw you. Me, I'm just begging that. I didn't hear.

[Mall]

I didn't hear that. Anywhere. I didn't go anywhere this weekend. I was chilling.

[Rory]

It was a little hot.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was nice. I went to the park, you know, I mean, like, got my. Got my steps in.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

And I mean.

[Rory]

And gathered some more.

[Mall]

Allergies no, no, it was. It was cool. It wasn't. It wasn't cutting the. Cutting the grass out there, so everything was cool, man.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mall]

That was cool. That was it. I stayed at the crib, cleaned up, got rid of some stuff, you know, some little cleaning. That was all.

[Rory]

Yeah, I went to the Chris Brown and Usher show. How was it on Saturday? Yeah, went to the Saturday show. It was great.

[Mall]

It wasn't too like. Cuz Usher was trying to sexy, you know, seen. Seen crack. Seen. Seen his ass crack.

[Rory]

Like, I did not see from where I was sitting.

[Mall]

Did they take that off the show? Did they. Did they take that out?

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't remember seeing his ass.

[Mall]

All right, cool, cool, cool.

[Rory]

And I was. I was paying attention.

[Mall]

That's why I stayed away from MetLife. I was like, I don't. Maybe this is for the ladies. This is. I mean, too much R and B. Too much.

[Rory]

Too much male R and B. I. I respect what Chris Brown is. Is doing, man. That's. That's a good hustler's mind state. Because I went to the Breezy bowl, and I'm not saying that it's the Breezy Bowl Part 2, but what a great way for all your equipment that you rented. And this ain't a shot of Chris, because I'd go see the Breezy bowl set a thousand times over. I don't care.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

But it was like the best of the Breezy bowl. And now let's add in an icon like Usher.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

It was incredible.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm gonna be the old guy on the lawn. Why I really, really wanted to go was I don't think I'll ever be able to see this again. Like, when. When will I be able to go see music I like in a stadium of someone that's not already doing stadium?

[Mall]

Okay, that's interesting.

[Rory]

I don't think that that's set up for. For the rest of my lifetime. I'm not saying there won't be a younger artist that can do a stadium, but the type of music I like.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not sure if they're not already doing stadiums. If I'll ever see somebody in a stadium again.

[Mall]

That's interesting. Yeah. None of the newer artists that I can think of.

[Rory]

Don.

[Mall]

Don.

[Rory]

I can see Don getting to stadium eventually.

[Mall]

I can see Don Tolliver doing the stadium tour eventually. Absolutely. I could. The music he makes, show he puts on, the show he puts on. Like I told you, you know, we saw him at Made in America that year, and essentially he opened for Bad Bunny. He went on right before Bad Bunny. And then I was blown away. I was like, wow.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, he can absolutely hold his own on that type of stage in front of that many people. Without a doubt.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah, man. It was. It was good. Usher is him.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Nah, but it's like. It's different pause when you see it.

[Mall]

Yeah. I saw the Usher show when he was on tour, so, you know, I've seen some clips. Like you said, it's the best of.

[Rory]

I just. I. I don't know. Those versus talks. It was Covid. We were all delirious. We didn't know what was going on. A lot of those versus talks. Some of y' all need to keep Usher Raymond's name out of your mouth.

[Mall]

I mean, but we knew that, though.

[Rory]

Everything was a hit, like a generation. Every single song he did was a fucking generational hit.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, he did not. The show was fucking three hours.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know how Chris Brown remembers all the lyrics to his songs. He did, like, 30 songs.

[Mall]

That's always the most impressive thing about that type of set is remembering the song. Yeah. Cause it's a lot of music, a lot of choreography, a lot of stage production. I have to be on this side.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's a lot to remember. Like, we just see the show, but you don't realize how much really goes into it. And then every night, having to remember those cues, like, it's impressive.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I mean, of course, Usher ran through all the hits. Hits. But, you know, Chris Brown has 300 songs on streaming. He was doing, you know, like, album cuts and shit. I'm like, how the fuck does he remember this shit? So it was an incredible show. It was cool to watch J.D. watch the show.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I was kind of. I did take One video of JD taking a video when Confessions Part 2 came on, and he was just, you know, going through the whole stadium. Like, that's got to be a crazy feeling that. Like, I started this on my mpc, right. I wrote, like, this is crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it was cool to just watch him watch the show. Like, that was just an idea in your head, and now it's in MetLife. Like, that's got to be a crazy

[Mall]

after so many years, too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, that's the part that's really impressive after so many that their song has to be, what, 20 years old?

[Rory]

Yeah. 2001. What was confession?

[Mall]

2001. Yeah. It might be. It might be. Yeah. 25.

[Rory]

Yeah. Jesus Christ. Well, on Friday, he brought out Jadakiss and Fat Joe And I believe 50. I think he brought out 52, 50. They were saying that at the show, but I didn't see any clips of it, so I wasn't sure if he came out. But I did see Jada, Fat Joe, clips.

[Mall]

I didn't see no clips of 50 performing. Okay, so Ashanti.

[Rory]

So Ashanti.

[Mall]

Midnight, man, that.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was the night I was there.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't see no clips of 50 performing though.

[Rory]

Yeah, Meth and Mary was crazy. Ashanti was great. Just Usher and Ashanti singing duets was incredible. Future just did march. Madison dipped. It was great.

[Mall]

Stood his little number and get out of here.

[Rory]

No, he literally just and like sprinted off the stage.

[Mall]

Yeah, let me do the slow number and get out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah, which was cool cuz they had like in the riser was one of the stages and the stage would go up and down. So like then Future just came out and you're at a bar.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like, that was really cool. Like you're literally at a circle bar

[Mall]

and it's a stage and it's.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a stage in the middle. Yeah, that was cool. But I had a really good time. Shout out to Dell that got me the tickets. And for all our POD listeners that were worried about my safety. Chris. Chris is not upset at being embarrassed.

[Mall]

Why would. What would he be?

[Rory]

I feel like, oh, the listeners were that back then. Because then the back and forth between them kind of started based off comments about our post. And like, I think the fans held Damaris and I a little responsible for elevating that back and forth between the two of them.

[Host/Announcer]

So.

[Rory]

But no, it was. It was cool, man. It was cool. It was a lot of bloods. A lot of blood. I walked, everyone's name started.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all right.

[Rory]

It's like Chris, me and Dell was at the loading dock. You know, we got there early and you know, it's like, you know, big and back. He gonna get you. I'm like, who's getting us? Yeah, what's his name?

[Mall]

Sounds like a great guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But Chris was nothing but kind and hospitable.

[Mall]

Yeah, super cool.

[Rory]

Kicked it with us before the show, like. Yeah, it was. It was a really, really good time.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what's up, man. Shout out to Chris Brown. Shout out to Usher.

[Rory]

And these were the icons, the after party in MetLife.

[Mall]

I mean, party in MetLife.

[Rory]

Yeah, they did that for the Breezy bowl too, that I went to, like, in his green room. Oh, okay.

[Mall]

Got you. Gotcha. I thought you meant, like, out in the pit. I about to say what?

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it was. It was cool. I didn't last too, too long because it was like, way too much hookah smoke in there. But, you know, it's like 50 women, like two guys that aren't Chris Brown. So you're just, you know, just. You're one of the girls.

[Mall]

You're part of the. Part of the decoy.

[Rory]

Pretty much.

[Mall]

You're part of the decor.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Rory]

So, you know, good time.

[Mall]

You might as well be a napkin,

[Rory]

But Chris's accountant.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's nothing more humbling than, like, being in a room like that with so many women. And you know that all of these women are here for maybe two guys. Yeah. It's the most humblest thing in the world. Yeah. It will humble you.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, you think that you got some type of, you know, charisma with you, and you're like, yeah, you know, look nice. I smell good. You know, I got something going on. Got a job. I got a job. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Like, I drove here.

[Mall]

I make money. Yeah. I got a nice house, like, whatever. Not until you get in certain rooms. Do you realize how invisible I didn't

[Rory]

just rock MetLife for three hours.

[Mall]

Yeah. You know, you don't realize how invisible you are sometimes.

[Rory]

Yeah. It was not me performing. Run it up.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, no, that wasn't me at all. It wasn't me at all.

[Rory]

There's always the. The girl that is trying not to, like, look like they're the groupie. Maybe they're the plus one of their friends, the groupie, and they want to make it, like, very clear that they're not.

[Mall]

Yeah, we're not here. We're just here. Yeah.

[Rory]

And they'll talk to you just as part of their plan for, you know, perception. It looks like it looks good. I hate these things. And then. Then Chris comes out of the green room and it's like, wait, I thought. No, that's not the energy. I thought you didn't care about celebrities.

[Mall]

They don't care about this whatever. It's passage. It's another day than MetLife.

[Rory]

So fun, though.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was.

[Rory]

It was a great, great time.

[Mall]

That's what's up, man. He was outside. You was outside. See, not me.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, I mean, I didn't go to the afterparty, like, after. After party.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't understand how they. They do that. Like, how do you. How do you do three Hours. Do the green room after party and then go to the city and do, like, your official after party. I. I have no idea how you possibly do that.

[Mall]

I mean, you know, just get out there and just listen to all the people tell you how great you are and, you know, shake some hands, hugs, kisses, and pictures, videos. And then, you know, go to your back to your suite in Manhattan and go to bed.

[Rory]

Yeah. Salute to ushers head of security, who is a listener of the show. Dope man won't say his name, but he's like, man, y' all should have Raymond on. I said, okay.

[Mall]

You think.

[Rory]

You think you want to set that up?

[Mall]

Yeah, we gotta call JD Man. Let's set that up.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I think I should work him on the show.

[Mall]

He would. I think he would.

[Rory]

I mean, he doesn't need the promotion.

[Mall]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

It was clearly sold out.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, they don't need. They don't need any press, any promo. Like, it would be just to talk shit, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. But no good time. Definitely suggest going to the Usher. It's Chris Brown. It's worth the money. Like, it's. And there's nothing but women there. And they're all, like, in there.

[Mall]

How many more cities do they have on. On the tour?

[Rory]

That's a good question. I'm not sure.

[Mall]

I would probably like to catch that.

[Rory]

Seeing that show in London with London women. Yeah, that wouldn't even be fair.

[Mall]

A great time because of the accents, you know, in the.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's just tax 30 more shows. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll look and see what cities they're in.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. This shit's all the way through December.

[Mall]

Call JD have him give me some tickets.

[Rory]

Listen, Atlanta, November.

[Mall]

Oh.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. November 7th, 8th, 10th, and 11th.

[Mall]

You think I'm gonna be there?

[Rory]

I think we got. We actually have to shoot down there.

[Mall]

Yeah, we got to go down.

[Rory]

Weird how those dates line up.

[Mall]

It's the same week. We got to be. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Rory]

Damn. I got.

[Mall]

Man, I got sponsored by Boost Mode.

[Rory]

We have to now. It's for the show. We haven't done a good Atlanta trip in a while, man. Yeah, I miss our extended Atlantis trips. Like, we didn't need to be here two more days.

[Mall]

No, we got one. Got one coming up in November.

[Rory]

Well, yeah, of course.

[Mall]

Come on. What are you talking about, bro?

[Rory]

Stop acting like we got to make the rounds. Well, like, we got to make sure

[Mall]

everybody's good, checking on everybody.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Know how that goes.

[Rory]

Leftovers from Invest Fest. You Never know.

[Mall]

Come on, man.

[Rory]

How come we're never invited to Invest Fest?

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

And who invites the people?

[Mall]

I don't know. I have no idea.

[Rory]

Is it an invite thing or can you just like buy a ticket and go?

[Mall]

Well, you might get. Buy tickets.

[Rory]

Invest Fest to invest in yourself.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, you go there and listen to the, you know, people speak. You can buy your own ticket now. The, the. The private party and things like that, that's I'm assuming is invite only. Gotcha. But we not probably not cool enough to get invited to those things.

[Rory]

I want to go. I want to go network.

[Mall]

No, you got to be cooler.

[Rory]

I guess that's true.

[Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I invest in things.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you got it. But you're not cool though. A lot of people invest in things, they're just not cool. So you got to be cool and invest in things.

[Rory]

I could I get a suit? Yeah, I could do.

[Mall]

Look good in the suit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Come on, man.

[Rory]

We could stream it.

[Mall]

Yeah. Shout out to Invest Festival. Shout out to the guys.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure. No look like a great event.

[Mall]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

But anyways, we are back. I wish with what we're about to talk about, I wish I had a different opinion.

[Mall]

What are we about to talk about? Because I don't. Oh, yes. Yes. The timeline was in a tensy. A frenzy. A Benzy.

[Rory]

I wish.

[Mall]

Yeah, go ahead, bro.

[Rory]

I'm shut the up for the sake of discourse. I wish. Yeah, I was like outraged and like melting down the way the timeline is just so we could have some back and forth. I wish I actually felt that way.

[Mall]

Yeah, no you don't.

[Rory]

I wish I even had it in me to pretend like I do just again for discourse on the podcast. Yeah, but I don't care.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Drake did a stream with Steak.

[Mall]

Yes. The nine year anniversary of Steak.

[Rory]

Yes. With the Nelk boys, which are known to platform powerful juice. So it all made sense in the long run. And drake did a 20v one challenge. For those that don't know, there's a huge series on the Internet with balloons and girls talk to guys what they do like and don't like and then they pick a person series. I like that you've seen it. It's great.

[Mall]

Very entertaining.

[Rory]

Maybe another tool of the CIA, but either way it's entertaining. So Drake went and did his own version of that with a bunch of women and the timeline melted down as if this was the worst thing to happen to the culture in the 50 years that we've loved hip hop.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why Are y' all melting?

[Mall]

I don't know, man. I. I don't know, man. I just think that, you know, it's, it's, it's very interesting that no matter what Drake seems to do say, you know, it just seems like there's. And again, the Internet is not a real place. We know that. It's been proven time and time again more people love Drake than they hate Drake. It's just very interesting to see people, the things that people get upset about whenever Drake decides to do something. But what were people expecting him to do on the stream? Were they expecting him to give a PowerPoint presentation on?

[Rory]

It was Invest Fest weekend.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I just don't know. People are mad that he did a 20v one. They're saying that he's almost 40 years old, he should be married and he should be like settled down and he shouldn't be around so many women. I just don't understand that mindset at all. I don't understand what it is to be upset about a guy being around women. And he's an entertainer, he's one of the most famous guys on the planet, one of the greatest recording artists of his generation. And people upset that he's speed dating on stream. I just don't understand that. Why, how, how and why are people upset at that?

[Rory]

Like Peach and I were talking off camera. I understand sometimes when there's outrage of when maybe he'll do something with Aiden Ross or, or Bobby Altoff or even the Nug Boys for, for that matter. I don't know much about the Nug Boys. The only thing I've ever watched of theirs is when they had Netanyahu on, which was insane when they were handled by Israel. But I can see where some people would be upset about that for their own political views that maybe Aiden Ross has expressed to the Nelk boys or, or whatever. But that's not what everyone was outraged on the timeline about. They're just really upset that he did 21st one in a non serious way.

[Mall]

Yeah, like it wasn't even like a real. It's not like he was really on there looking and searching for love. It was for entertainment purposes. It was, you know, for him to have fun and do a stream on for steak. Like, I just don't understand why people, you know what it is? I think that people are just not used to somebody as popular, as successful and just being as maybe accessible.

[Rory]

Drake is, has made himself the most accessible superstar I think we've ever seen.

[Mall]

I don't.

[Rory]

Which I There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with adapting with the times. And I think you can be like a weekend and only pop out when you're putting something out. Wear a mask, don't speak. Or you could be Drake. Like, it's really. However you are comfortable. But Drake is. Drake is accessible. He's on the Internet constantly. I mean, he'll clearly, he'll DM anyone. Like, he's accessible. You can, you can go out and see Drake way easier than you probably could any celebrity. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Mall]

No, there's nothing. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that. I think it just speaks to his personality. He's a very Drake. Drake is. If you've ever had the opportunity to meet him, he's a very. For who he is and his obviously the stature of his star power. He's a very humble guy, very welcoming, very hospitable, a gentleman. I just don't know why that makes other people uncomfortable. Actually, I do know there is a major, major part of the Internet and social media that capitalizes and monetizes off of, I guess, hating being upset, being bothered by whether it's Drake, whether it's Chris Brown, Rihanna, any of this, Beyonce, Jay Z. Like, no matter who it is, there is monetization in and hating and being upset and expressing disdain for something that an artist of the caliber of a Drake, whatever he does. I've seen somebody say, oh, he only gave away however amount of dollars. And I'm just like, Drake could have gone on stream and given away $200 million and somebody would have said, I thought there was bees on the table. How come he didn't give away $600 million? Like, it's almost like no matter what he does, no matter what he says, people have learned that. And we saw it through the whole battle that people stand to gain a lot of money. If you stand on this side of saying, this guy is fake, this guy is. Now he's trying to pander to women to prove that he doesn't like little girls and things. I'm seeing all of this online and I'm just like, what? Like, I just. It's like, it's the craziest thing to see. But I also understand it because we've seen people literally pay mortgages on creating these channels and creating these platforms that are designed to hate anything that he does, that he says, that he puts out, that he wears, that he people he aligns himself with. It doesn't matter as long as I'm on the side of he's a terrible, horrible person. He's pandering to women. I just don't. But I do get it because it. You can make money doing that.

[Rory]

So you think, you think maybe some of the men are jealous of the girlies? Like, they wanted stronger drinks and stronger men.

[Mall]

Well, don't get it twisted. A lot of these people wish that

[Rory]

they could go to stronger drinks.

[Mall]

That. No, not that, but that they were invited, that they are acknowledged that they are, you know, I guess validated in some way by anything that they say about Drake, whether it's him responding or commenting on a post, whether it's him, you know, mentioning somebody on stream, whether it's mentioning somebody in the song. Like, a lot of people are looking for that.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean, I think it goes both ways. People have also made it their identity on the other side as well to hate on anything Kendrick does. It's just that Drake gives more ammo because he is more accessible and does things often that you can comment on.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Whereas Kendrick is more of a mystique and there's theories and like, you know, he still hasn't spoken since 2024. Like, so there's both sides to it. Just Drake gives more ammo. And as somebody that for the last how many years has brought up on podcasts that they would like to see Drake's content mature a bit. And I've been one of those people. And while I do think there is some of that on Iceman, I do think he did discuss some of the things that I've. I've wondered as a fan in his maturing and aging. But I also at this point am gonna listen to the guy that is telling me who he is. Yeah, like that. That's where it's. I guess as a former person that wanted that from Drake. I get it. But I also now don't get why you would want somebody. So you wanted to pretend. Like, do you want him to, like, get a fake wife and. Or like, get back with his baby mother and have a nuclear family and not fuck horse? Like, he's been very honest in saying, I'm probably not going to settle down. Like, I'm still. This is what I do, Right. Going to therapy. It's not going to work for me. Like, this is just the path I've chosen. And some of that comes with not having this Jay Z, Beyonce relationship that everybody wants.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

So, yeah, like, I. What more do you want from Drake other than to be himself? Now you can disagree and Be like, hey, I don't want to be 40 doing that. Then don't do it. But Drake has always done skits. He's done streams. He's told y', all, I'm not settling down. I. At this point, I can't criticize someone for telling me exactly who they are and doing it. So what the fuck? What do y' all want from them? Yeah, if you say that's not for me, cool, I respect it. That's fine.

[Mall]

The one. The one thing that I did love about the stream was when he was on a 20v one. I can't remember the young lady's name, but she was the heavyset girl.

[Rory]

Yes. The rapper from Detroit.

[Mall]

Did you. Did y'.

[Host/Announcer]

All.

[Mall]

Did you see how Drake handled that? Now, let's. Let's just be honest here. If we're on a 20v1, okay, I

[Rory]

don't know where we're going with this. Let's go.

[Mall]

I'm one of the biggest recording artists in the world, right? And I don't know the women that are coming out. My boys set this up. They kind of vetted the women that will be here, right? And out walks a heavy set woman. Most guys, most rappers would, you know, you would feel or see an expression from them that's kind of like. Like, come on, man, like, why y'?

[Caller/Guest]

All?

[Mall]

But in that moment, Drake was like, first of all, he knew who she was. He knew her music. Like, for somebody of his stature to be that much of just like, even kill cool, like, he would. He would talk to her just on a. A very human level. He didn't, you know, give any kind of, you know, notion that he was. He wasn't attracted. No, I'm just saying he didn't give any kind of notion that he wasn't attracted to her, that she wasn't his type.

[Rory]

He may have been attracted to her.

[Mall]

It wasn't. He may have. But this is what I'm saying. Most guys in that situation.

[Rory]

Have you seen Drake with big girls?

[Mall]

Right? But most guys in that situation, we would have saw something where it's like, nah, he not feeling shorty. It wasn't even that type of interaction. It was a very cool, very, like, you know, dope interaction that he had with her on just a human level. Fuck me being Drake and, you know, whatever, whatever. It was a very human. And to me, that says a lot about the type of guy that he is in that moment. He's able to be like, yo, I don't. Listen, man. Everything is. It's all love here. Everything is cool. It's not about, you know, who's coming out, how she looks, she's a heavyset girl. It doesn't even matter. Like, I know who this is. Like, I know your music.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I thought that that was a very, very dope moment. And again, that speaks to the type of person that he is. Like, I wanna sit down with people and let them understand that while I am who I am, I'm still human. I'm still a very chill guy, very cool guy, very laid back. Everybody is welcome. If I welcome you in, you're welcome to all of the things that come with being around me. Like, to me, that is part of what the stream is showing, his personality on a very human level. Fuck the superstar shit. Like, we all know that part. But it's like, I'm still just a cool guy that enjoys being around my friends and being around women and having a good time. To me, I thought that was dope. I don't know what people were looking for from the stream, however much money they thought he was supposed to give away and all these stuff. I don't care about any of that on a personality level. Just being able to see who he is and him inviting you into his world and showing you more of the things that he does. I thought it was dope.

[Rory]

Yeah. Again, coming in today, I knew no matter how we cover this, this is going to get clipped. Probably not this part. They'll probably just clip one.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There's going to be no right way for anyone on the Internet on how REACT reacts is. I just. I simply just don't care. And I don't know if that makes me part of the problem, but I do not care that Drake is on stream doing 20v1. I laughed at it and then I moved on to my life and I.

[Mall]

What is he supposed to do? Is he supposed to fight? Is he supposed to like what he's supposed to like? What is. I just don't understand. What are people? What do they. It's. It's like, no matter what, it's not enough. No matter what he does, no matter what he says, no matter what, it's just not. And it's always gonna be. And again, like I said, people are able to monetize that, Rory. They're able to make money off of, you know, just being a contrarian to anything Drake says or does. There's monetization in it. So I understand it. I understand the personalities and the space and the platforms that are created off of solely hating anything Drake says and does. I get it. I understand everybody's here to pay bills. Everybody's here to make a living. Everybody's here to take care of themselves and their famil. If you sleep well at night, however you do that, then you know it is what it is. I just don't. I just sit back and laugh because I understand it. It's like, of course people are supposed to hate that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They're supposed to be against whatever he does and says, this is part of the thing. It's part of it. People are gonna love it. People are gonna hate it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Yeah, I mean it happened when I was at the Chris Brown and Usher SO When I got in the car, I was in a little bit of traffic, opened the timeline and I was like, why is everyone outraged that Drake is doing a stream with Joyner Lucas? And I was like, I mean, that's hip hop, right?

[Mall]

Oh, you thought it was joining.

[Rory]

I swear to God. Like, that's an odd move.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But like, maybe, I don't know, a lot of flack, like lyric. Like, you know, Jordan is a great lyricist. Like maybe he's showing, you know, his versatility.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Maybe his different perspectives. Yeah. 20v1 and like flirting and first dates or something. Like I thought maybe he was taking us that route. Yeah, I was, I was not aware that it was Jordan Lucas. Jordan Lucas for an entire car ride. I was like, that's such a weird move.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Lucas.

[Mall]

Yeah. You thought Drake was streaming with joy.

[Rory]

That wasn't a bit that I put. I wasn't making a joke on our group chat. I was like, it's an odd move because again, I'm like, I'm driving. I'm not looking at everything. I just see the headlines and shit.

[Mall]

If I was to see that on the timeline, I would definitely be ready to click on that though.

[Rory]

No, you have to understand it also had like Lena the plug in there. Well, it's like, what a group.

[Mall]

It's just like such a random, just room of people. Like, okay, I guess this is what a stream is supposed to be. The most random personalities we can get in the room. Let's put them all in a room with the biggest star on the planet. Right.

[Rory]

Maybe Joyner is going to do the perspective from the balloon. Like what it's like to be popped. Like, right, right. So I was like, maybe. Where is he taking it?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to see it though. I want to see Jordan Lucas on the stream with Drake. If that were to happen, I would definitely watch something like that.

[Rory]

And yes, it was Jordan Lucas. So my apologies to the beautiful, beautiful streamer Jordan Lucas. And from my understanding, she's like a super big Drake fan. And I was like, she's a big moment.

[Mall]

She has, she has been wanting to meet Drake. Yeah, it was a time again even that's a cool thing, right? Like Drake understands that. He sees that. He's like, okay. Or whoever put it together, they understand that. Like, okay, let's get her out here. Let's make this a moment and let's stream it. Like to me those things are cool. Why not?

[Rory]

Do you think he will cash in the hall? Pass that? Lena. Lena 22, Mrs. 22 gave him. It was signed by Adam.

[Mall]

I think he will. Why not?

[Rory]

Listen, I'm not here to judge.

[Mall]

Listen, you're attracted to women. You obviously enjoy having sex with beautiful women. This is. With. This is what she does.

[Rory]

One plus one equals two.

[Mall]

Yeah. This is like. This is like, if you play basketball and you get a chance to play Jordan, one on one, same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing.

[Caller/Guest]

Like.

[Mall]

Like, sure.

[Rory]

I wasn't aware that Alina was the goat in that regard.

[Mall]

Like, come on.

[Rory]

I have not seen her work.

[Mall]

But, yeah, like, I mean, why wouldn't you? Yeah, why wouldn't you? Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

That was. That was a good move.

[Mall]

Her husband is okay with it. He understands it. He's. He's allowing it. Right?

[Rory]

No, he's signed the hall path.

[Mall]

Yeah. So there's no. There's no. There's nothing wrong here. We're two consenting adults. And, you know, she enjoys having sex. She's. She's obviously great at what she does. Yes. Yeah. Why not?

[Rory]

Aside from Lena and Adam's relationship, because obviously they've done the porn thing and it was the whole thing when she slept with the other guy. That's where just. I. I can't do the hall pass thing because you're going to be able to Drake before I'm able to Rihanna, like.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

It's just. It's not. It's unfair. Hall passes are so lopsided for men and women that it's like. Yeah, you could go outside and. And run into Drake and him.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm not anyone on my. It's just, like, not gonna happen. So why am I putting myself in this position?

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, it's equal. Babe, you get your. No, I'm not gonna run into it.

[Mall]

My whole pass is not. I can't cash mines in at the store I want to go to.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, everyone was there for Chris Brown, not for me. I can't use my whole pass.

[Mall]

Yeah, your whole pass is no good here. Your money's no good here. Your money. Your money's no good here.

[Rory]

Rory.

[Mall]

Yeah, I feel you, though. I mean, I understand it, but, you know, I think that he. Why wouldn't he?

[Rory]

Well, yes.

[Mall]

Not saying he's going to. I, you know, I can't speak to that. I don't know. But why wouldn't he. He's attractive.

[Rory]

Not that I think Drake cares, per se, but it would become a spectacle, for sure. Like, there would be an entire. No. Jumper episode with Adam and Lena, like, breaking down the entire thing. And I Just don't know if you're not. If you're not in that world. Okay.

[Mall]

You're not understanding. I think if he does do it, it's the NDA 100%.

[Rory]

They have shit to lose.

[Mall]

They can't make content out of it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, I think if he does. Like, if he does decide, like, yeah, I'll bang her. Yeah. I think it's an indiegoi. That he would allow her to go on her platform and speak about it. And I don't. I don't see that. That I don't see.

[Rory]

But I don't know. After you bark at a goth girl, do you really care if Lena the Plug talks about that? That your style?

[Mall]

Yeah, but barking at a goth girl is, you know, that's part of it. That's what you're supposed to do to goth girls. You're supposed to bark at them when you see them. Like, that's the language they speak. That's their vernacular. What else do you do to a goth?

[Rory]

Listen, I'm glad Drake came clean and apologized to Speedy. So I. I show speed. I'm saying it right.

[Mall]

Yeah, Speed. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Because he did. I remember seeing that comment of like, you got to start stop barking at women. Dope. Yeah, man. Look at you up there just barking at a Gus.

[Mall]

To be fair, she requested it. And who is he to say, yeah, like, she. It's not like she walked out and he just started barking like, no, she asked him, like, would he bark for her, and he. He barked.

[Rory]

If you bark at a girl on stream, I feel like it's fair game for anyone to clown you for doing it. That's. Whatever. I'm not here to defend the barking. What I will say is, some of y' all that were killing Drake, y' all were in moan rooms on clubhouse in 2020.

[Mall]

Remember that?

[Rory]

So some of y'.

[Host/Announcer]

All.

[Rory]

I don't know if I really want to hear your judgments of a bark, mind you. Not my game. I'm not really barking at women.

[Mall]

Even if you're on a date and she asked you to bark? I don't think if Pinky Chew would have asked me to bark, I would have barked.

[Rory]

I'm just.

[Mall]

Why not?

[Rory]

I don't have the confidence of a cue dog. Like, I've seen the cues. Get that off. And it worked perfectly.

[Mall]

Yeah, but nobody's asking them to do that.

[Rory]

Some are. Well, I've seen plenty of women go up to cues. He'll bark at me. Women love cues.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm just.

[Mall]

So what's wrong with that? If it's requested, I think it's weird. If it's not requested and you do it. But if it's. If it is. If a woman is asking you to, like, would you bark for me? Yeah, why not?

[Rory]

And I've never practiced and I'm not about to practice now.

[Mall]

It was for all the dogs.

[Rory]

I'm a dog. I'm a mutt.

[Mall]

It was for all the dogs. Yeah.

[Rory]

He has confidence, though. Because I like, the first time I'm barking, it can't be on stream because I don't know what, I don't know what my bark is. Like, like, what if I have a Basley bark and like, not.

[Mall]

Yeah, because you never.

[Rory]

Not a boomer bar.

[Mall]

You don't practice bar.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know what would come

[Mall]

out like, what, what, what, what dog, what breed would you be?

[Rory]

Like, I like, of course I'd love to say I'm a pit, but maybe I'm a goldendoodle. Like, I don't know. I've never. I don't know. And if goldendoodle comes out, like, I don't know if I can live that down.

[Mall]

There's no. Yeah, you can't. A woman can't unhear you bark like a goldendoodle. Like this. She can't hear that.

[Rory]

And then if she's into it, like, now I'm thinking, like, what does she think of me?

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

If she's into my golden doodle bark, like, you're definitely going to step on my balls with your high heels.

[Mall]

Golden doodle. Oh, he's a golden doodle. Like, you know, nobody's scared of a golden doodle poodle. Like, you know, I mean, it's very, A very welcoming dog. Yeah, it's a very safe dog. Safe breed.

[Rory]

But yeah, listen, man, if you were offended by that, cool, whatever. You have every right to have an opinion. I just don't. I guess I just don't care to melt down that a rapper did that.

[Mall]

He kept it on brand. He. He wiped the goth girl, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. Which he talked with, with Bobby about.

[Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He said he was looking for a big, big boob goth girl. It.

[Rory]

Was she a true goth or was that like, did they paint her white? Goth, okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, she's a street. She's a streamer. She's. She does like, you know, onlyfans stuff and things like that. Like, yeah, she's. She's a gothy. Yeah. Goth's playing Saw God's plan. It's God's plan. What do you want me to do?

[Rory]

I mean, listen, everyone's wondering what the next sound Drake is going to do. You did the dance R B rap trilogy. Like, are we going full slipknot?

[Mall]

Why not?

[Rory]

Like, are we Hot Topic?

[Mall]

Try it.

[Rory]

Merch.

[Mall]

Like, I'm sure you could pull it off. Give a pinky chewing her hello team. And kind of like I could see

[Rory]

him with like, the black hair, like, comb over, like, over the eye 100. Get him a trench coat. Yeah, well, these sensitive times, I mean, just put them in some Rick Owens now it's trendy.

[Mall]

Yeah, come on. Put him in some Rick Owens and let's get the comb over going.

[Rory]

It's like school shooter chic.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chic. You know how it goes.

[Rory]

I can't say that. Rest in peace to everyone that is affected by.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Mass shootings and school shootings.

[Mall]

Yes. We don't condone that at all.

[Rory]

But yeah, again, of course, I predicted anything Drake does is going to be some type of reaction, but I didn't know people were going to be melting down. And not the. The Twitter that you're talking about that, you know, has made it. Their identity monetizes. Anytime they say something like, it's like, people like I know are melting down. Yeah, guys.

[Mall]

You don't care. Like, you don't care about.

[Rory]

I know you don't care that you

[Mall]

don't care, but you understand it. It's. It's. You're able to make money off of doing that type of.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, every single content creator made money off that battle and is continuing to because everything is so heightened. Anytime Kendrick or Drake sneezes like everyone does, whether they believe us or not, I'm just happy. It's not our identity.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

To some people, it may be that only see clips of you yelling and not the fact that we put out four episodes a week where, you know, that's 5% of the content. If something's going on with Drake. But I don't know, I just don't care that much. I really don't.

[Mall]

Listen, I love that Drake don't get. He don't care either. Obviously, he's doing what the fuck he want to do. He understands people are mad about it. He's living his. His happy little life. He's created for himself and he's having fun, man. I like that type of shit. That's how you're supposed to do it. I don't want to talk to none of y' all in media. I don't want to stream with none of y'. All. I'm a stream myself. Do my own 20 v 1. Have my own team around me. It makes people. It keeps. It makes people upset that they don't have access to them.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They can't sit in front of him. Why he didn't come on the stream with this person. You should come on my stream. He should do this pod. He should do that pod. Do this interview that. No. Should he or. Or can he do what the he wants to do?

[Rory]

Yeah. What? It wasn't marry, kill. It was wife, wife, pipe and. And homegirl or something.

[Mall]

Wife, pipe, bestie, I think.

[Rory]

Okay, now if. If Maul was up there, how would you go about that arrangement with the three of them? Because Drake. Drake went with Wifing. The goth girl. Yeah, Lena. And then Jordan was the best girl.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Bless you.

[Mall]

I would wife. You smell those three women?

[Rory]

Those. Those three. Yes.

[Mall]

Again, I'm. I don't know them. Didn't have a kicker. But just aesthetically, I would wife Jordan. My bestie would be Pinky Chu Goth girl. And I would pipe Lena. Okay.

[Host/Announcer]

All right.

[Mall]

That's what she does. I'm helping her.

[Rory]

You know, I would. I'm with you on wife and Jordan. She's beautiful and has a really cool personality. I'm gonna the goth man.

[Mall]

Why?

[Rory]

Because I'd want to make Lena my homegirl. Because I think Lena has so much access to so many women. It'd be my invest fest to be homeboys with Lena, with the amount of women she could put me onto. Like, you ever have the homegirl that has a thousand bad friends and yeah, like, she puts in a good word, it makes you skip so many steps. Yeah, but Lena has the homegirl. Listen, man, you're doing numbers in la.

[Caller/Guest]

You.

[Mall]

Have you had you ever had a goth bestie?

[Rory]

I have not, no.

[Mall]

Oh, man. When you tap into that Comic Con market right there, you never seen it. See, I don't know.

[Rory]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume with no context that most goth women are bi.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

So I still feel like if I go with the goth girl to fuck like that, I can still get the rest of Comic Con if she's into it.

[Mall]

Yeah. But I could too, if that's my bestie.

[Rory]

True.

[Mall]

Yeah. She's still around, she's hanging out, she's coming to the crib, she, you know, bringing the friends, all of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Also, I just. I mean, again, I have not seen Lena's work, but she seems like A cool, funny person. Just also. I don't know. I mean, that's a happy home. I feel weird.

[Mall]

Yeah, but she has a whole pass.

[Rory]

It doesn't say mall on it.

[Mall]

There's a pass. It would, though, if that was me. It would. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'd hit that. I'll pipe that for sure. But.

[Rory]

Yeah. I wonder if that got thing if. If it's not just a spectacle. What if that's the new power couple? What if we get Drake's 444, but 666.

[Mall]

666. He's the six.

[Rory]

Finally. We got. We got what all you guys want. Yeah, we're gonna get the mature Drake album after he wipes the goth girl.

[Mall]

He's the six. God. So it makes his own brand. 666. I like it. I can see it happening. You laughing, but I can see Intro, kill.

[Rory]

Drizzy is.

[Mall]

Drizzy is dead.

[Rory]

Jersey is dead. Never know, man. It could work.

[Mall]

I see it happening.

[Rory]

No, but seriously, now that I think about it, the Drake, like, emo alternative rock album with all features like him. Blink182, Google dolls, yo. Green Day Jay.

[Mall]

Lincoln park is classic.

[Rory]

That would go crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah, why not?

[Rory]

Who's who? Who's the group? Third Eye Blind. Who's the ones that. I loved her so much and she smiles. Bring those guys. Oh, that was in Green Day. I forgot what that was. When she Smiled Three doors down or some.

[Mall]

Oh, when she smiles.

[Rory]

Tro Classic.

[Mall]

Oh, God.

[Rory]

Just that whole era of alternative rock.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh.

[Mall]

If there's any artist that can get those bands together to do an album, it is. It's Drake.

[Rory]

Like, if. If we want to say that he is a culture vulture that leeches off every single sound. Like, just go all the way with it now. Yeah, let's go to every genre.

[Mall]

Lean into it.

[Rory]

Yeah, let's go. Let's get rock and roll back on the charts, baby.

[Mall]

Yeah, That's. What if. It's anybody that is able to pull that off and get those artists in the studio like Quincy did for We Are the World, It's Drake.

[Rory]

Oh. I mean, Drake would easily smoke those alternative rocks.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's. Well, the joint with Yeba on some sexy songs for you isn't alternative rock per se, but hearing him on that type of record, I know he could smoke. Yeah, that. That'd be great, man. If he put out like a little ep, that would be fucking.

[Mall]

I'm only here for I don't care who guy I mean, again, I'm from a different era. I don't care who's dating who, who's sleeping with who. That was never a thought process of mine. When I was listening to Biggie, when I was listening to Pac Early J, like, I didn't care. I didn't. That wasn't a talking point amongst, like, in the barbershop, like, who guys were sleeping with. It just wasn't a thing.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I was too young. Was it not like a rumor of, like, Biggie and Lil Kim and Faith and that love triangle? Obviously, now everyone knows that.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, but that's.

[Rory]

But at the time, was it because I was.

[Mall]

But that's because he put it out there. The artist would say it and would kind of like.

[Rory]

But it was a conversation.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it was. It was. It was a conversation, but it wasn't like a long, outstanding, ongoing thing. It was like you talked about it when the artist mentioned it. If you saw them in a video or something together, like, if they was in a magazine, how. You know, Faith and Big was in the magazine in the back of the car. Yeah, yeah, you talked about it. When Charlie Baltimore popped up in the video, you spoke about it. But it wasn't like, if away from that, those weren't talking points. Like, that wasn't a thing that people cared about.

[Rory]

Also, this. This era of, like, relationships, helping rappers, that wasn't a thing then because, like, being a rapper in a relationship was like an oxymoron. Even if you were in a relationship, you hit it. Like, I always joke, the first episode of Love and Hip Hop, when Emily came on and said, I've been dating fabulous for 10 years. I was like, what? The fab has been in a relationship for 10 years?

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

It was like, it was part of the marketing. Like, you had to be the single massager. Just stick to some degree womanizer. Like, that was the thing. So there probably wasn't room for that because there really was no room. Relationships that we really looked at, like, then Jay Z and Beyonce, Nas, Khalees, like, then it started to. To move that way. Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, it was always like, are they actually a thug or not? That. That was the gossip. I remember.

[Mall]

It's just now it's too. It's too. It's. It's too much access, I think it's too much accessibility. And then now, with the fact that you can now make money off of talking about these things and doing that, now it's. You get paid for conversations. You know what I mean? The longer you talk, the more money you make with streamers, things like that, they just go on. It's like. But I just think at some point you just have to still remember, like, bro, we supposed to be here to just enjoy this art from this person. Like, I don't really care about, you know, who they're dating and who I just, that's. That never really did. What does the music sound like?

[Rory]

Yeah, and I mean, it's. It's a bit hypocritical on my end because obviously I've talked about that stuff, but at the end of the day, I care more about the music than anything else.

[Mall]

But I'll talk about it and have fun and. Yeah, no, for sure I don't. That doesn't consume my brain to where I'm making think pieces and I'm like, well, this person should really think about settling down. It's like, what, like your parents did settle down.

[Rory]

It's kind of crazy when you say it out loud.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like your parents have been settled down for years and they're not happy. Like, so that's what you think that this man here should do too. He should settle down and not be happy.

[Rory]

And give me the think piece on your parents relationship.

[Mall]

Yeah, like give me the think piece on dinner at your house, what your

[Rory]

parents are going, who your dad barking at?

[Mall]

Yeah, like I don't care. Like, come on, man. I think we just gotta get back to just enjoying what this thing really is about. And it's about the art of it all, the music, you know what I mean? Like things like that, we start to get into a weird space of just wanting to talk about too many personal spaces in people's lives. Me.

[Rory]

Well, the perfect storm happened with artists. Where it used to be mystique, now they're chronically online. So much happens every single day. Now everyone also can comment. Whereas before there was some mystique, there was like Extra1 magazine and you just talked about it amongst your circle. Now everyone can comment, everyone can get paid. All the artists are giving you ammo every day because they're chronically online. Like it's the perfect storm of. Of that.

[Mall]

That.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's anyone's in particular fault in that regard, but it's. Yeah, it's set up for this to be the inevitable. So I, I mean, I get why it happens, but that was always more, I felt like a movie star thing than it was a rapper thing.

[Mall]

Yeah. Dating.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was always like, yeah, that was.

[Mall]

That was movie star.

[Rory]

Like, I remember around dinner time, my mom watching Extra. Like, she would watch that, and it was always like, actors and actresses, Britney Spears melting down. Perez Hilton's covering every. Like, it was never really a rapper thing. But then I guess when it becomes the biggest genre in the world, that's the natural progression as well. Like, and then TMZ has to comment

[Mall]

now, and then they're now dating other celebrities.

[Rory]

Yeah. Then the Kardashians took. Took hip hop under their wing. Yeah, they did. I know that sounds insane. They took hip hop under their wing and put it into gossip.

[Mall]

They did. They definitely have a hand in that.

[Rory]

For sure.

[Mall]

Jay Z is to blame for a lot of this too.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah.

[Mall]

Like, J&B's relationship was definitely the first, you know, I guess, quote unquote, street rapper, tabloid crosses over marriage, star, pop celebrity, and now they're married family. Like that. That definitely kind of helped propel that whole movement.

[Rory]

And they leaned into it with Dangerously in Love. Then Bonnie and Clyde. Like. Yeah. In a smart way. They leaned into it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm sure organically, too. A few people that love each other.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

Are gonna make their records part of it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, yeah, they definitely leaned into that entire thing for sure. And they were just two of the biggest in their genre that we. You probably won't see something like that again, but it paved the way. Yeah, it's really Kim and Jay's fault when you get down to it.

[Mall]

Yeah. It's Kim. Kim and Kanye, of course.

[Rory]

I mean, you get two of those type of people, and I don't know them personally, but two people that are very comfortable with their personal lives being displayed everywhere. And when I say thrive, I don't mean that in a negative way, but, yes, their businesses thrive off people being in their business and exactly listening to what they have to say or do.

[Mall]

And now here we are today. This is just a shot. This is just a chapter. This is part of the chapter of this whole thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, I guess.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Once they started filming weddings, I think that's when things just got out of control.

[Mall]

Too much access.

[Rory]

Yeah. Why are we. Why are we. Why am I watching someone's way.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They used to be royal family, which was even also weird. Like, I know. Don't. Yeah, These people don't do anything.

[Mall]

I knew it was all over once they put Rucker park on NBA tv. I knew we was headed here. I knew it.

[Rory]

That's what started it.

[Mall]

Yeah. This is part of it. Man, once Rucker was on NBA tv, I was like, yeah, it's all down here from here.

[Rory]

I've told you that. My dad's brilliant theory of when the world really went to was when they invented the baby on board.

[Mall]

The stickers. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, once we started caring about children and they were a priority is when this country went to. Once they became the most important. They're not working, they're not doing anything. Like, there's nothing that precious about you.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

You have to just go to the work for it.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

And every time he goes that way, I laugh when I'm like, you're not wrong. When he was growing up, the kids weren't that important. I was important.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My dad was not important.

[Mall]

Seat belts.

[Rory]

Just the arm sit.

[Mall]

This is the seat belt. Sit back.

[Rory]

When was the last time you were in a car with. With your pops?

[Mall]

Oh, it's been a minute.

[Rory]

My dad still to this day refuses to wear a seatbelt. Refuses?

[Mall]

For real?

[Rory]

Yes, refuses your dad. Like he's making a statement.

[Mall]

He doesn't wear a seatbelt.

[Rory]

And like, he treats it like he's one of those people that's like, I'm not taking the vaccine, dog. It's a seatbelt. Put the shit on. Not. Not only for your safety. I don't want to hear this fucking annoying ding every two seconds. Like, just put it on.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. But then snap it behind him. Yes.

[Rory]

He found. In one of his cars. He found the. The cord and cut it and cut it. I'm like, dude, just put a seat belt on. It's not like overweight or something.

[Mall]

With, like, from a different time, man. This is just from a different time.

[Rory]

And I've told you guys, the. My uncle Rubber Ball Paul, who fell out in the Jersey Turnpike.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, oh, your little brother. You were in the back seat with him and he fell out of the car on the Jersey. It was. It was news. Yeah. Jersey Journal. Rubber ball pole.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, he's still. He still refuses to wear a seat belt. How much more do you need to

[Rory]

just watch your little brother fall on the turnpike?

[Mall]

They don't make them like that no more. I'm telling you, man.

[Rory]

But I mean, other than the Drake thing, it was kind of a slow, slow weekend. Of course they tied it in because Drake made a little. Not a ship. Well, yeah, it was a shot. Whatever. I'll call it a shot. The ROC Nation subpoena comment, which is. Drake's always made those shots on stream. I didn't care much about it, but I do have to dive into shout out to what's the dirt Friend of the show. I I with dirt. And even if I disagree with some of the content, I, I do admire and respect the detail in which he puts in. Like I spoke with him about the calico thing. I thought that was absurd. But still a great entertaining video. He did do one of what, what's. It's a great clickbait title. Untangling Jay Z's Evil Plan to destroy Drake.

[Mall]

Now that sounds like a book

[Rory]

that was sold at Invest.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Signed copy.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah,

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I I want to give it a proper two watches to really get into the entire thing. Now I have been for the last five, not more than that, maybe seven years. I was one of the first people that said 30 for 30 freestyle. Nothing to do with Meek Mill. That's 100 about Jay Z. I definitely have always felt like there's some behind the scenes tension whether it's true or not. But this does a whole deep dive into AI websites that are are doing smear campaigns. Desiree's lawyer team also involved with Steak and Fanatics and it's just a whole gambling mess. Then you add in Gamma Larry Jackson and I don't know. It could be true.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it definitely could be true.

[Rory]

Here's the thing. I am a whole venger. Being a whole venger makes me fully understand that Jay Z is a ruthless businessman. I don't think in 2026 any businessman or woman at the level of Jay and DEZ are not playing behind the scene games. If you listen to Jay Z back to just listening to what rappers have to say, they're telling you who they are. Jay has always played behind the scenes whether you agree with it or not. And I, I really don't know if any of this is true and right as. As much as we joke and I think you guys give Roc Nation way too much credit of how they control the world. But they do also manage Meg and they had a deposition. You don't think Roc Nation would use Des's Lloyd. Either way, Jay been playing behind the scenes like every businessman. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there's not a lot of morality in that level of business.

[Mall]

Morality. Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. This is. Is doggy dog like. Yeah, sometimes you have to play play ghetto games behind the scenes in, in that type of environment and in this day and age. Smear campaigns, bots like that. That's, that's the new business extortion to some degree. So again, I'm not saying Jay's doing or even cares about what some bloggers, streamers or whatever are saying about him. I just, it's not above anyone at this point. Like, even, even with, with like Jay bidding for the Caesar's palace thing. Like, you don't think all the companies that were bidding for that were not actively trying to do some form of behind the scenes smear campaigns against the person they're bidding with. And I'm not saying there's anything to do with what, what's the Dirt thing, but I don't know. It's. It's common practice, though. It's business. Like the term. It's not personal, it's. Business is one of the oldest phrases ever. So you think somebody that's that successful is above playing new era games in an era that everyone's doing this? It's not. It's not. Right.

[Mall]

I didn't, I didn't really see much of dirt's video. I saw some clips here and there and things that people were talking about. But to what you're saying at that level of business, yes, there are gonna be some things where I guess people feel like they were slighted or, you know, damn, that's fucked up. Or I got the short end of the stick, whatever it may be. I just don't know if I subscribe to just Jay personally intentionally doing things to slight or harm Drake. Now again, you know, Jay is. That's family. Love him like a big brother to me. I definitely understand Drake feeling away about the super bowl thing, giving Kendrick that platform to platform, that message and just. I totally understand that. Aside from that, I just don't know if I subscribe to the theory that Jay is somewhere sitting back and is trying to undermine or do something to blackball Drake. I just don't see it. Not saying it's impossible. I'm not saying that. I don't, you know, Jay is. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. I just don't know if I need to see more. I need to see. Like, you have to really show me something that says not none of these theories or these pieced together videos. You have to show me something that says Jay was behind this, that caused this to happen to Drake. Yeah, I mean, I would have to see that. I don't. Again, I understand the super bowl thing. I still, you know, I understand that part of it. And giving Kendrick that platform to spew such a disgusting message about essentially the same thing Busby was trying to spew about Jay. It's the same message. Right. So I understand that part of it, but you have to show me something aside from that to where you would say, oh, Jay is trying to do things to undermine Drake and Roc Nation is trying to, you know, I just need more than just a video of things that are pieced together because lawyers from this team represent this person. And it's like I would just need to see more than that.

[Rory]

Now I want to give credit to dirt and I definitely suggest everyone go check out what's the dirt YouTube page. Not only that, he has a lot of great videos. He's not on the delusional shit that the Internet was on when they found out that the guy that stabbed Tory had the same last name as dez but it was spelled different in their different ethnicities. But that has to be Des. Okay, that has to be Dez's cousin. Right?

[Mall]

Right, right, right.

[Rory]

It gotta be. It does.

[Mall]

Definitely. Things like that is like, come on,

[Rory]

man, like what the dirt is not on that.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

He definitely did. Did his due diligence. The two people, I think it was in Virginia that were suing Steak and had to do with Drake, which he beat the case. I want, I want to make that clear because everyone reports when happens, but not never when.

[Mall]

Yeah, never when over with that he

[Rory]

was using money because, you know, stake is. It's illegal in the states. So it's. It's like a crypto based thing. So he was using that money to then bought his streams in like some extortion type of ways. What they were suing for these people lost money with stake and then also added in this weird Drake thing that he beat. But they had ties to this exact law firm that has done depositions on behalf of ROC Nation before. There's a lot of stuff. I'm not saying dirt is crazy. I'll put it that way. I can't verify all of it nor even with the rant I just went on about Jay's business practices. I'm not even saying any of that. That is true. But there's. There's some. There's some dots in there that connected.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

That's all. Dirt's not crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah, I wanna. It's what? It's. It's like what. How long was the.

[Rory]

It's only 40 minutes.

[Mall]

Okay, so I'm gonna sit down and watch that because I've seen like a couple maybe like five, ten minute clips, but I'm gonna sit down and watch the whole thing.

[Rory]

Oh, listen, man, you brought up Busby. You thought that convenient timing somebody's bidding for A casino in Times Square. CEOs play ghetto games too. You think that just came out of nowhere? When Jay is in the middle of bidding for something like, right, right, come on, what are we doing? That didn't just come out of that. That woman just didn't go. You know what? There was that one time, right? No, that happened at the exact moment it was supposed to happen. And if you look into Busby and not only things with Jay, just in general, there's a lot of convenient timing right when he strikes at people. Now that's awful. But I'm not saying Busby is the only one that's doing it. People that we admire do the same shit too. I'm not accusing Jay of that. But if somebody with evidence said Jay is like, he said, we played defense, we play an offense. Now if I found out Jay was doing that, I'd be like, checks out. You know, we in the mud now.

[Mall]

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying I would need to see something that I'm not. Oh, okay. That, like, that's it. Yeah. I just didn't. And I, you know, and I like, what's dirt? Just doing. He's definitely, you know, doesn't seem to be like he's piecing together bullshit. I think a lot of the times, you know, certain things just happen to be coincidences and things like that. And certain people that are connected to this are also connected to that. So I understand how that plays out. When you put, you know, the dramatic music behind it and you have photos and things like, I know how it can come across. Great job. Piece it together well, great job. I just don't know if I am subscribing to the idea that the Jay Z that I know is not sitting back somewhere like, what Drake doing? Nah, fuck that. We canceling that. I just don't. I don't believe that.

[Rory]

I think there was probably some rap stuff and this is me speculating. I want to make that very clear. When the Meek and Drake situation, there may have been some back and forth but rapper type shit that happened that I can totally see now. When you get into the fanatics stake in that world and gaming commissions that do have alliances and stake. Maybe being on the outside now, you're getting into a deeper, different territory now thing than Jay saying, yo, Meek, you got that information? Get him that. I can see that being a casual conversation as all rappers there, not businessmen, which all three of them are, but in that situation, some rap.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now when you get into fanatics and steak and I mean shout out to Hard Rock. The only one we with. We may need to get in the mix. Mo on behalf of Hard Rock and get busy AI sites. We gotta go. This is what you have to do in that world.

[Mall]

Start doing dirty. That's. Is that what you allude to? Who do we have to. Who do we have to throw some dirt on? I'll call what's the dirt right now. Yeah, like we'll have a new video out this week.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

You know what's funny?

[Mall]

What's that, Rory?

[Rory]

Hip hop fans can literally debate about anything.

[Mall]

That's very true.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Host/Announcer]

Well, it's that time again. Backpacks, first day of school outfits, and the low key anxiety of Am I even doing this right? Good Mom's Bad Choices is diving into the back to school season the way only we know how to. Unfiltered, funny and full of the moments other shows won't touch. From surviving morning drop offs to the guilt of missing the first bake sale. Iri told me that she next season she wants to join a club team that's by your house.

[Rory]

So I was like so you want

[Host/Announcer]

me to pick you up from school? I'll take her by my house. But then I have to take her there and then I have to drive back and then some days I'm here and I have to go pick you up at school and then bring you the I was just like hell no. This is a space where moms trade their highlight reel for the real real. Whether you're a new mom, a veteran mom, or just trying to make it to pick up on time. This season of Good Mom's Bad Choices is for you. Listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Rory]

We've all been there. We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano, and on my podcast Unshaken with Gary Vee, I sit down with amazing personalities and we talk about the seasons that nearly broke them, the lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary Vee on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mall]

College football will hijack your weekend, ruin your sleep, and break your heart. And that's why we make the solid verbal college football show. I'm Ty Hildenbrandt. He's Dan Rubenstein.

[Rory]

How's it going? Every week, we preview the games that matter, sort through the biggest storylines, and tell you what to watch before kickoff.

[Mall]

There's a lot to keep track of.

[Rory]

Who's for real, which upset is hiding in plain sight and which storyline is about to take over your group chat.

[Mall]

And when the games are over, join us in the aftermath, too. We're going to react to what happened, talk about the biggest results. Of course, we'll cover the playoff picture and all the little details you might have missed while flipping between, like, 12 games at once.

[Rory]

Whether you know every coach and coordinator or just want to understand why everybody is yelling, we're here to help make sense of the madness.

[Mall]

Listen to the solid verbal college football

[Rory]

show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But now shit gets crazy. Like, you know, obviously, online gambling casinos is at the highest it's ever been when the government made that shit legal. Yeah, this is. This is like discovering sunlight at. At this point. So, yeah, it's. It's a dirty fucking world where there will be some. Some type of overlap into rap because you have people like a Drake who is a face of steak, and, you know, they're working with the biggest people. And it just so happens that the biggest people are streamers and rappers. So they're gonna get involved in. In the mud with a lot of this.

[Mall]

It's.

[Rory]

I don't know, I think with the AI site, like, even when I watched that Charlemagne sit down and am I the only one that doesn't, like, think it's a bombshell to be like that? Site's AI, like. Yeah. Okay, now what. Is the information true?

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Yes. You can accurately say someone's doing a smear campaign like everyone else, but. Okay, it's an AI site. Is it true?

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

Like, they try to discredit Charlemagne's amazing argument a few weeks ago, all because one of his sources was an AI site. And now. I agree that can't be a reputable. Like, your evidence can't just be an AI site. But what about everything else he said?

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

That doesn't throw it out. Out the picture. So I don't know. Like, even with the gamma stuff that. That I know Larry Jackson is trying to figure out and suing actively whoever did the gamma smear campaign with all those AI sites. I get it. Be on offense in that. But I. I don't like. Did it work? Do you look at gamma different? No, I truly. Even when I, like, sort of remember when that was happening.

[Host/Announcer]

Mm.

[Rory]

I. I don't look at. From what I know, Gamma is probably one of the better labels to sign to. If you're an artist. Get most of your I. Are these AI bombshells, like, really working?

[Mall]

Maybe. We don't know if it may have affected or stopped a business move somewhere.

[Rory]

I'm asking. Yeah, that's. I'm not leading on to say they're not. I. I don't know. Me personally, at this point, I haven't seen them, like, really destroy anything. It's just kind of just been noise in the midst of these backdoor games. The same way with the Busby shit.

[Mall]

What was the. Out of the. What's the dirt? The piece that he put out. What was. What was he basically trying to say that Roc Nation or Jay Z was behind as far as when it comes

[Rory]

to Drake with the lawsuit about the Drake using steak money to buy his own streams.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

That, to me, would be the biggest one in regards to everything and certain depositions with Roc Nation lawyers. But again, they. They represent Meg the Stallion. Like, yeah, it's gonna. All those are gonna connect. But having them also involved somehow to this steak lawsuit does raise eyebrows, no matter who you are of. Why are you asking about Drake and depositions that are about Meg the Stallion? Now, we've all seen depositions. Justin Bieber probably has one of the funniest ones. Wayne. They ask questions that have nothing to do, like, that's a deposition. I don't really fully understand the strategy. Maybe it is to get someone caught up in their own words to admit to something like yes or no, and then they can Double back on that. But depositions have always asked stuff that has nothing to do with what we're being. I don't even know what the word be, but why we're here. So that's another thing where. I don't know, maybe youtubers are leaning too much into that as a strong point. Because I watched them ask Wayne the dumbest questions at his deposition. That had nothing to do with why he was there. Right to the point that Wayne's lawyer was like, why are you asking this shit? Like this has nothing to do over here.

[Caller/Guest]

So.

[Mall]

But check it out with the steak. Wasn't that already? Wasn't that. Isn't that case closed with. That's right.

[Rory]

Just beat. From my understanding. Apologies if I'm wrong. From my understanding, it was a week or two ago. Drake did beat whatever that lawsuit was where he was accused of using steak money to buy his drinks. Now, I don't know where it landed with the two people that were suing Steak for losing the certain amount of money, but where Drake was tied into that was the. That he was using steak money for bots, which. Which has nothing to do with two people from Virginia. That's why it's odd. That's why I understand why Dirt made the video. But I don't know what's true and what's not.

[Mall]

The reason why that doesn't make any sense to me is because do people not. And obviously they, you know, because of Drake and I's relationship, they're gonna just think that I'm caping for Drake. But an artist at the caliber of Drake, why would they be. Be faking their streams? Do people not know that that would come to light eventually and how that crazy that would make Drake look.

[Rory]

It's kind of back like, is that

[Mall]

worth the risk for an artist like Drake? Like, do people think that that's worth the risk?

[Rory]

It's. I think it's kind of back to the other point I was making of Jay Z realizing what the playing field is now. And if this is how we're playing. All right. Bet. I guess I got to play this way. If everyone's botting, it becomes industry standard. I don't know. I really can't answer.

[Mall]

Yeah, but this is the guy that is calling out the body. He would start botting.

[Rory]

And I'm not caping for Drake either. I'm just going with the truth. When everyone lost all those streams in that, like, big sweep. Yeah, his stayed pretty consistent.

[Mall]

I.

[Rory]

They. Of course, everyone's dropped. But the significance where some people's drop versus his was. Yeah, that's what I'm.

[Mall]

I just don't understand. I don't know if people understand that part of it. Like, the, the risk is not worth the reward for an artist like Drake to be anywhere doing any business that would. He would inflate his numbers or fake his numbers, knowing that one day that would come to light, because everything does. Like, I just don't know.

[Rory]

But, I mean, one could make the case that Drake, he did that because he knows what's behind the curtain. I hate to use Trump as an example, but do you remember that first real debate with Hillary when he called Hillary out and said, all your. Your donors don't pay taxes? He said, I know that because I cheat the system the same way your donors do. And you guys won't change the code, tax code, because if you were to change it, your donors would be pissed. So, yeah, I'm using the same y' all are. I could see a case where Drake is finally calling it out in that way of, like, I know it to be true because I've kept the lights on at Universal, and I know what happens here. I know how records are. Are pushed to where they're pushed. I can see that. And I also, I think there's. There's artists that have their bodied and they don't know that their shit is being bought.

[Mall]

It. Artists have had their. Okay, well, if you don't know, you don't know. That's a whole different conversation, I definitely

[Rory]

think, especially in the earlier stream farm Wild, Wild west days where everything was like, ironically in that weird town in. In Wisconsin, I think it was. And then there was all that in Germany, like India. Yeah, I. I think that was just regular practice for any artists. But it. To me, it's almost like steroids. If everyone in the league is doing it, you still got to hit the ball. And now we're at the same playing field. Like, you're not this big because of the bots, because everyone's using them, and you can see the difference between every artist, so it's not needed.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I just. I don't know, man. I just think that, you know, and I get it. This all makes, I guess, for great conversation and things like that, but I just, you know, I encourage people to just. Well, actually, you can't ask people to use their own brain because some people don't have one.

[Rory]

But, you know, AI will provide one for them.

[Mall]

AI will provide a way.

[Rory]

It's coming. It's.

[Mall]

You don't have to Think. We'll think for you.

[Rory]

Speaking of hope, you saw Ray Daniels, friend of the show I with Ray, but he said. I think yesterday that he said Jay Z album is done. And then Roc Nation posted today, fake news.

[Mall]

Ray, stop the cat, man. Cut the. Ain't no Jay Z album done, man. I don't know who you. You heard that from talking to somebody, fed you bad dope, man.

[Rory]

Because even that, like, I feel like if a Jay Z album was done, there'd be about, like, four people that really know Jay being one of them.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Jay Guru. And then whoever produced it.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

And then he tells Juan and Death, like, I just don't know. And no respect to Ray because Ray obviously is very much an insider. And I just. With Jay, I think it's a little different.

[Mall]

It's very.

[Rory]

Of who knows and who doesn't know when something is done.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, there's no. There's no Jay Z album done.

[Rory]

But I don't know, does that add to what's the dirt as far as Roc Nation really trying to stop so much information about them, whether it's good, bad, or indifferent? Like, not to say Ray has a great platform, but that does say something that Roc Nation and Jay Z are replying to. Just Ray being like, yo, I'm done. It adds credence to them paying attention to everything. No matter where. Where you're at, whether it's a GQ interview or you're just.

[Mall]

They just have a social media team.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that has to go. That has to come from the top. It does, does it?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If I'm. If I'm a social media manager at Roc Nation, I'm not about to say the album isn't done. If I don't know, I get fired for that shit. Unless Jay. Unless somebody. If dez, somebody next to Jay says, please post that that album is not done.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not just gonna be in the office like, I ain't heard shit.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no. Yes. No, that definitely came from. It had to be a conversation.

[Rory]

You think Cruz posted that?

[Mall]

No, Cruz did not post that. But that definitely was a conversation. Like, cut it out. I'm like, yeah, you can step on that. That's bullshit.

[Rory]

Well, I'm glad he did. Cause I would have. I would have taken the hope and ran with it. I mean, again, I don't think Ray is a lot. I'm sure, to your point, someone just gave him bad dope. But I would think if it wasn't shot.

[Mall]

Ray said. Ray said Drake's Career was done.

[Rory]

He apologized.

[Mall]

He's gonna apologize for this one too. He's gonna. He's gonna apologize for saying this Jay Z album.

[Rory]

I can't. We've all gotten bad dope. And it does. It does with our credibility. But sometimes that is what we were told by credible people. When things change, it happens. So I can't judge everyone that is given false information out there.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Rory]

With good intentions. Not people that literally just make up just so they can get a click.

[Mall]

But I know they're gonna try to get. You say J. Cole committed career suicide

[Rory]

and then you went to the show and apologized.

[Mall]

I didn't apologize.

[Rory]

Huh.

[Mall]

Me going was the apology.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Was that the apology?

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I. I feel like saying sorry is just words like actions and change behavior is a real apology. And I feel like that's. That's what you did.

[Mall]

I still stand on that though.

[Rory]

Career suicide. We were at a sold out show in the Barclays.

[Mall]

He still has his fan base. I didn't say his fans was gonna like, not support him when I said career suicide meaning, like, nobody's gonna look at him the way they once did. Like, as far as, like in an

[Rory]

elite mc, like, and we've had this guy. I think that Thomas is. I think everyone in that building, I. I think people have moved on and just. If Cole makes good music, they still look at him as a.

[Mall]

All right, so me saying he committed career suicide. Is there any coincidence in the fact that. That the album he put out post rap battle was his shortest lived album on the top 100? Is there any coincidence to that?

[Rory]

You have to add in context is important.

[Mall]

What's the context?

[Rory]

Billboard in general with rap right now, a double album. There's a lot. There's a lot of factors.

[Mall]

Supposed to be one of the big three. He's one of the biggest rappers in the world.

[Rory]

I'm sure. I'm sure someone's screaming at their speakers right now. I'm sure there's probably Drake stats that are reflecting how weird Billboard is compared to what he's done before. Like. Like we're in a different time. So I can't compare. I can't compare the fall off numbers.

[Mall]

Things are different. I'm just saying this is his shortest lived album in the top 100.

[Rory]

But I don't think that has anything to do with people going, oh, it's because he apologized. I just. I don't think that's a factor at all. I just don't.

[Mall]

So what do you think is the fact that the Music wasn't good.

[Rory]

I think some people may think that. I think the disc one is great. But dealing with a double disc these times. Yeah. I don't know.

[Mall]

The Staying Power disc help because there's more music to stream.

[Rory]

Yes and no. I felt like that that was a thing before, but now without like a Focus track, it doesn't do the same.

[Mall]

Focus tracks

[Rory]

was Janice Shut the Up? Not a Focus? Yeah. You don't think that's a thing?

[Mall]

Focus tracks? No. Focus tracks are a thing for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. If you don't have one of those, you're not going to stay on Billboard that long in a streaming era.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

You're just not right now.

[Mall]

I'm agreeing with you.

[Rory]

To me, that's why I give Don Toliver so much credit. Outside of loving that album. I cannot believe in this era how long he stayed on. But like, it's insane. That does not happen anymore. So that's why I look at Don as one of them now. Because it's like. Like that's not happening for. For the biggest artists in the world. It's hard to stay on Billboard. So is it? Yeah. I see. I wish I readily had the Drake numbers in front of me.

[Mall]

You got a computer right in front of you. Let's look it up.

[Rory]

This according to AI, so it has to be true. Iceman has spent 12 consecutive weeks top 10 on Billboard. Does it have a Focus track? Does Focus track. All right. How long did Sexy songs for you? I think that's an incredible album, but it's tough to have albums stay on on Billboard like that for rappers right now. It's like statistically, yes, it's very difficult. And Cole doing 25 tracks of. Of raps. Yeah, that's not. That doesn't have a lot of staying power in Sarah made to say. But does that matter when you're selling out arenas every night?

[Mall]

Oh, his fans love them.

[Rory]

So. Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm not. I'm not mad at that. I totally understand that.

[Rory]

I do think the Drake Emo album would do more than 12 consecutive weeks.

[Mall]

I think that. Oh, that do Odyssey numbers. That would do Odyssey numbers for sure.

[Rory]

They should shoot all the videos on that camera.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

The 70 Drake and Travis Barker out of here. Can we make a mall of gos for the. The artwork Goth plan. Goth plan is God's plan is hilarious. You saw MySpace making a comeback?

[Mall]

No. Yeah. They're trying to reload. Why?

[Rory]

Why not?

[Mall]

We don't. Do we need more platforms to the. Like. I still don't even have Threads.

[Rory]

Yes. I, I, I can't.

[Mall]

Like what? So do we need my space? Are we bringing back MySpace now? Like what?

[Rory]

I mean, listen, it's how we all learn to code. Like we can make cool profiles and

[Mall]

I don't know, man. I just think it's okay to just kind of have like nostalgia with things and just remember a time.

[Rory]

It, it would be kind of funny if, if Meta and Instagram really wanted to shake up all the friendship groups in the world and add a top eight to Instagram, that would shit, that would shake some up. All these Insecure Gen Z kids, if they had a top eight number three,

[Mall]

your top eight friends,

[Rory]

that would go nuts.

[Mall]

Yeah, it just doesn't, it don't work the same though with Instagram though.

[Rory]

That's just like eight top five make it even worse.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Rory]

Everyone in MySpace went from top eight to like top 50 because people started to get sensitive. Don't, don't put me at 47 though. Like, I don't even want to be in your top 47.

[Mall]

40 worse. What if you 49? What if you 49?

[Rory]

And who would have been 51?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, who was right outside?

[Rory]

That's like, I want to know who I was competing with.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Rory]

Top eight would shake, that would shake up the game.

[Mall]

So when they say bring back MySpace, like as far as what? Like that a new, newer version of MySpace or it's the, the old MySpace. But now obviously we'll have apps on our phone.

[Rory]

MySpace owners are planning a major relaunch of the platform to combat modern algorithm fatigue and refocus on music discovery and personal customization. I think that's cool. While no release date is set, this aims to bring back nostalgia. User driven experience of the 2000 social media era. I mean, for a select group, that could be fun. I would make one. I'm, I'm not doing threads, but I'd make a MySpace page.

[Mall]

I don't know, man. I think, I think this, this kind of, this kind of like thing would only make Instagram want to like reconfigure their, their layout.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because I think Instagram's is still going to be king.

[Rory]

But yeah. Was it, was it Tom? MySpace?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We don't give Tom enough credit. He was a tech CEO, trailblazer, changed the world, but didn't steal our data and become literally part of the Illuminati like everyone else. He's like the only grassroots down to earth social media inventories that like we could trust. Like, he hasn't he hasn't won against Congress.

[Mall]

Our data didn't they?

[Rory]

Probably. And I'm not saying if Zuckerberg on.

[Mall]

What was he. And what was he. Oh, that was Facebook.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, Facebook changed the game, though. Facebook is kind of the reason we're here.

[Mall]

Got you. Okay.

[Rory]

Like, it. It's like Stalin.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Hitler. And like, Zuckerberg is. Is up there.

[Mall]

Tom. Mighty. He. That's ten toes, Tom. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's a man of the people.

[Mall]

He stood ten toes for the. For the. For the culture, Tom. He. Tom, that's. That's Tommy 10 Toes right there.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's.

[Mall]

That's definitely Tommy 10 Toes. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't. He didn't sell us out.

[Rory]

Yeah, he had the same. Same photo, man.

[Mall]

Same guy. Same guy.

[Rory]

They just wanted some friends.

[Mall]

That's it, man. I just want to kick it with y'. All. Yeah.

[Rory]

Because, I mean, look, Craigslist got dark. Like, everything just went in a really weird place.

[Mall]

Not ten toes, Tommy.

[Rory]

That's why maybe. Maybe space could, you know, could bring the game back, bring us all back. Back to Earth.

[Mall]

I don't know, man. I'm calling him Tintos. Tommy and them coming back might have been him. Him selling it all.

[Rory]

He's not. He's not building rockets that are in the Pacific right now.

[Mall]

We don't know that. We don't know what Tommy been doing.

[Rory]

That is true. He.

[Mall]

He doesn't own it anymore. Oh. And it's definitely over.

[Rory]

Oh, he gave the game.

[Mall]

He got out the game.

[Rory]

Caro's way.

[Mall]

He just. Yeah, he just needed one more. One more round. He needed one more run. Tom needed one more run, and he got out. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not with that.

[Rory]

He sold Frank Mathis, man.

[Mall]

They stepped all on that, huh? Oh, yeah, they stepped all on that. That is all. That's not pure.

[Rory]

It might be owned by Zuckerberg.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's not pure. That's not. This. MySpace. That's not pure. They stepped on that.

[Rory]

Who owned Friendster? We never heard his name either.

[Mall]

I wasn't That. I wasn't that deep into the streets that.

[Rory]

For better, for worse, I guess. Maybe for better. At least we do know all the CEOs now, because the CEOs used to be able to hide and do dirty.

[Mall]

Yeah, 100, right.

[Rory]

They're still doing dirty, but at least they're throwing in our face and saying, nah, nah, nah, you can't do anything. At least I know what you look like.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Black Rock still Who's that guy come to? Come to the front, bro.

[Mall]

That's.

[Rory]

I need to see you next to Elon.

[Mall]

That would never happen. That would never happen.

[Rory]

Why are you not in front of Congress?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, you are Congress. My bad.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

I forgot about that part. But no, we should make a new royal mall. MySpace. At least put fan photos.

[Mall]

Who's in the top eight.

[Rory]

I mean, we gang's all here. Me, you, and Peach.

[Mall]

It's just us.

[Rory]

We could put like pictures of bikes and up there.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, we could do that. Have a little fun with it. Yeah, we could create it. We create a smart space for the.

[Host/Announcer]

The.

[Mall]

For the show. Yeah, but now I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I'm not creating a personal one, though.

[Rory]

What's our MySpace on? What's our focus track?

[Mall]

I don't know. Maybe something from the fall off.

[Rory]

No, we got to put Damaris Wrap up there.

[Mall]

Her.

[Rory]

Derek. This, I feel like has to be our first MySpace song.

[Caller/Guest]

What is it?

[Mall]

What's the. What's my joint on the. Full of Bunce. Bunce Road Blues. Bunce. What is it? Something like that, right? Was it Bunce Road?

[Rory]

That's the guy that grabbed me outside the Chris Brown show to bring me in. Buns came and got Buns definitely came and got me.

[Mall]

That was the name of it though, right? Wasn't it Bunce Row Blues.

[Rory]

Bunce Road Blues. Yeah, yeah. Record is fine.

[Mall]

Yeah, I with that off on that

[Rory]

before we get out of here. Peach, do we have voicemails?

[Mall]

You've got mail.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, guys, I need your opinion on this. My name is Daisy. I've been with my husband for seven years and I believe him. So we have a daughter and we got married. Even though I didn't want to get married, I never wanted to get married in my life. But we got married because I loved him. And the circumstances around it was his. One of his parents passed away and he couldn't travel to the funeral because he's not a citizen. So there was all of that. Anyway, now he has all of his papers and he's good to go. But he's not a planner. Like, he didn't plan for what his career is going to look like. He had a whole year to plan it out where he wasn't working and I was paying all. I am paying all the bills and literally car note, rent, insurance, everything myself. And I was doing this while I was pregnant too. And now I just feel fully taken for granted. And all he wants to do is just like hunch on Me, he just wants to do it like every day, a million times a day. And he doesn't take me out on dates. He hasn't taken me on a date in over a year for Mother's Day. He didn't get me anything or say happy Mother's Day for my birthday. It was the same thing. So I've asked him to leave the house and I want to know is it even worth it when he leaves the house because he's moving out? Is it even worth it to try and rectify this again? I never wanted to get married in my life. I never saw it, never dreamt of a wedding or anything like that. I always thought I would just have my spiritual partner and a child. So what do you think?

[Mall]

Damn.

[Rory]

Well, I'm sorry this is that you're going through this and that you got 90 Day Fiance but, but yeah, he

[Mall]

got all his, his papers now.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It sounds like he just, he just used you.

[Rory]

And I, I, I respect it if something you didn't want to do and the only way he probably could do the funeral was write paperwork and you held that down. But if you didn't want to get married, why the you harping on it now?

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you said it. You, you never wanted that. You never thought about that you was seeing yourself with just a spiritual partner and a child and things like that. Then listen, you know, that's what you need. If that's what you saw for yourself. You, I mean you went against it, tried something different. It's not making you happy. You want to get out of it, then you know what you want to do. You, you sound like you already know. You've thought about it, you're not happy. This doesn't sound like a guy that has made you happy in a very long time. Then yes, absolutely, get out of it. Go separate ways. Life is too short. Life is too fragile. Go be happy.

[Rory]

Yeah. And you already paying everything.

[Mall]

Like go be happy.

[Rory]

Get out of that.

[Mall]

Yeah, get out of that situation. That's not a situation for a woman. But what a stand up woman though. Held it down even while she was pregnant. All the bills and all he wanted to do was come home and hump. Where is he from? Can you call back and tell us where he's from? I think I kind of know where he's from. I don't want to say it.

[Rory]

You can say it.

[Mall]

I can't say it. He's Nigerian without a Nigerian.

[Rory]

100% agree.

[Mall]

Yo, this dude is Nigerian.

[Rory]

I apologize if this is offensive, but the first thought I had when she started talking was, this man is Nigerian.

[Mall]

The Nigerian nightmare is what he is. Yeah, you gotta call us back. We won't play it, but just let us know where he's from. We don't have to play it again, but please. Her name was Daisy. Daisy. Daisy. Please call back and just let us know where he's from. Because I just want to see if I'm correct in what I'm thinking.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Did you ever watch 90 Day Fiance?

[Mall]

I've seen some of them. Yeah.

[Rory]

I had a homegirl that didn't do 90 Day Fiance, but got paid by. By somebody to get their. Their paperwork.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it didn't. It didn't work out. She was promised more payments. I was like, you really thought. Once he got like.

[Mall]

You thought. You thought the back end was coming. She thought the back end was coming. Yeah. No, the back end.

[Rory]

And now she's on the hook. They have people coming by the career. Where is he?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he's at work. Yeah.

[Rory]

All that for like eight grand.

[Mall]

Like she got hosed.

[Rory]

No, easy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like promised like 25 or some shit.

[Mall]

It's always 20. 25. Yeah, yeah. 10 is like the lowest.

[Rory]

Yeah. Do you ever watch Kill Tony?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My world's collided when big Ed from 90 Day Fiance was plucked out of the basket for Kill Tony. It was like this weekend or some.

[Mall]

Yeah, bro.

[Rory]

Big Ed is doing stand up comedy with no neck.

[Mall]

Is he funny?

[Rory]

No, no, it was. He bombed. Like, he would not. It was bad. Yo, Big, he is self aware now, though. He's like, I'm not really good at this love thing. And I'm like, yeah, we've been watching you for.

[Mall]

Yeah, we saw it 10 years. Yeah. Well, that's good that he. Now he's, you know, he's come to that.

[Rory]

Would you do that, 90 Day Fiance? Yeah, but if, like, you felt like you. You guys really loved each other, but, like, do the show. No, it'd be funny.

[Mall]

I'm not doing that. I can never do that. It's not real to me. To me it's not real. I'm not saying you can't fall in love with somebody and you know, in 90 days again, I just, me, I just don't. I don't. I don't see that.

[Rory]

Do you remember the. The Nigerian that married the fat white lady from, like, Nashville because he wanted to move to America to meet Donald Trump. She went to his village in Nigeria and he had a shrine of Donald and he straight up said in the Confession. So, like, I just want to be Trump.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

This. Did they get married?

[Rory]

Yeah. And believe it or not, it didn't work out. They're apparently. They're currently not together.

[Mall]

All right. Did he meet Trump?

[Rory]

That I don't know. But, like, he dressed like him. Like, he had the exact red tie suit. Like. Yeah, but, like, a Nigerian fit.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, way too tight.

[Mall]

It's the high waters.

[Rory]

And they interviewed, like, all his brothers in his family, and, like, every time they try to get a truthful word out of any of his family, they would just roll their eyes in the camera like.

[Mall]

Like, this is not. This is not.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know what to tell you, man. If you want to marry him, be good. Do your thing, man. I wouldn't, but whatever it is.

[Rory]

And the big white lady was like, I don't understand why his mother won't accept me.

[Mall]

You are the white.

[Rory]

Use your. Use your brain. Mind you, he was like, 21 and she was, like, 50. No, his mother is not approving of.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. I can't do. Like, that is just for. For jokes, man. I can't do that.

[Rory]

You watched Obsession? Was it over the weekend?

[Mall]

Oh, my God. Did I?

[Rory]

So when. When Damaris gets back. Demerit's back on Thursday, which gives me enough time to watch it, so we can do. Do a deep dive. Yeah, but I was at the edge of my seat. You said you were going to come back with. With notes from our group chat.

[Mall]

Oh, about. About what? Yeah, so when Damaris gets back, then we'll. We'll talk about it.

[Rory]

Also, is there truth to this Nipsey album coming out on Friday?

[Caller/Guest]

Is that.

[Rory]

Is that a fact?

[Mall]

I'm not sure.

[Rory]

I saw stuff online. I couldn't verify it in the time that we started recording, but, I mean, I know Nip had a lot of music that was recorded, so, you know, I'm not always into post death Death albums, but posthumous. Nip had so much music that I. Yeah, I feel like it's probably worth putting an album together.

[Mall]

I'm not. I don't mind it if it's. As long as it's done right. Music is obviously. I hope music is good and all of the business affairs as far as the estate, family, and all of that is taken care of.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, I think Sam probably, yeah, has that all under control. He's. I mean, from what we've seen, he's done an incredible job with the estate and the legacy and I mean, you know, nip worked with 1500 and nothing rants. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like a lot of music.

[Rory]

That whole internal crew. I can't see a world where they would ever put anything out without feeling like this is something that he would want.

[Mall]

Nip represents and it would be happy with it. Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If.

[Rory]

If Nip was running around just with like, random producers and, like, everyone had random vocals, and I'd be like, that. That could get. What was that, Tupac? Are you still down? Like, yeah, that could get odd. But no, I feel like this is the internal. The internal LA crew that. That would make sure that, you know, that that was.

[Mall]

I mean, hopefully I want to hear it. If it's coming this Friday. Definitely I want to hear it.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, as a nit fan is. And nothing to do with his passing, I thought Victory Lap was. Was his best work. Like, I think Nick was only getting better.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, whatever he recorded around his. His passing, I'm sure was probably some of the best music that he was working on. Victory Lab certainly was that in my opinion.

[Caller/Guest]

But yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, hopefully we get an album on Friday and that. That is a fact and not just some Internet rumor.

[Mall]

But Donnell Jones confirmed that he has a versus with Joe coming. Well, Complex doesn't seem to think that that's happening already. I mean, Darnell Jones announced a versus with Joe for August 20, and Complex posted basically saying they didn't know anything about that. That was the first they heard about it.

[Rory]

So no disrespect to Donnell Jones and Joe. I think they both great music. It just. How long is that that verse is going to be just that.

[Mall]

Just asking questions. I don't know if they have 20.

[Rory]

No, 20. That people care. Care about.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, not for.

[Rory]

So I. I just can't see Complex pivoting to that after game and yg, ig, I just. I can't. And you. You add him as one of. On Patreon. That's. That's out today of. Does Rory know black people? Which I'm scared to even look at the comments.

[Mall]

I didn't have Joe that was G D. You still don't know black people

[Rory]

in my defense. Patreon.com forward slashing Rorymore because Mall was in the do you know black people? Series online with this couple right before Martin Luther King. We decided to put together. I put together a bunch of whites and then Mal did the same.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With me and.

[Mall]

Well, me and Damaris. Damaris had more than me. She has some sprinkles in there.

[Host/Announcer]

All right.

[Rory]

Had I known the route y' all were going, like, you showed me g Depp After 10 years in prison, I didn't recognize him.

[Mall]

You think I wouldn't recognize Anne Hathaway 10 years from devil Wish?

[Rory]

I forgot how much you know whites.

[Mall]

Yeah, I know the whites, man. I know my whites. Love the whites. Love my whites.

[Rory]

Yeah, I, I, that was, that was a rough. I was even considering when I left. Like, yo, Peach, maybe we just, like, we scrapped that whole Patreon

[Mall]

this is

[Rory]

bad bubble for me to now incentivize people to go watch me crash and burn.

[Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of like, look at this culture bullshit.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

No, I didn't recognize Loom that way.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, that was so funny. That was so funny.

[Rory]

No, I was crashing.

[Mall]

Well, that was part of it. I wanted to do that because it's like, why you should know loon when you see him. And you should know G Depp. It's like today, like, if G D walked in here, I wouldn't expect you to really know who he was.

[Rory]

Gdep's solo album is one of my favorite solo bad boy albums. I just. After the robbery and everything I did

[Mall]

today, like, today, G Depp, a picture of him today.

[Rory]

Every day. G Depp is like, one of my favorite depressing. That's one of my depressing playlist.

[Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Focusing.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was part of it. That was part of me being funny. Like, it's still the person, but it's like a current picture.

[Rory]

Sat a cigarette for breakfast just for beginners. Cried for lunch and slept for dinner. Like, that's. That's my guy.

[Mall]

Just didn't recognize him, that's all.

[Rory]

He looked like the song.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.

[Rory]

This was cool. We will be back.

[Mall]

Yes, sir.

[Rory]

Patreon episode available now. If you, if, if you want to subscribe and watch me crash and burn, I think it might be worth the subscribe.

[Mall]

Patreon.com forward/rory and mall. And we.

[Rory]

We will be back Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I don't know where all week.

[Mall]

We're here. We're here. I'm here all week. I'm not going nowhere. Yeah, I'm not leaving. We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just. Peace.

[Rory]

Before we let you guys go, I have to leave y' all with a question. Mal, what is a hip hop lyric that changed the way you saw music? Because that's really what Sprite Living track list is about. It's not about crowning winners. It's about starting a conversation and debating 50 tracks, generations of artists, endless debates and Sprite didn't just put lyrics on the can mall, they went even deeper, bringing together hip hop experts and tastemakers to help unpack the stories and the impact behind every single song on the list.

[Mall]

Check out the full Sprite Living Track List and break down the stories behind your favorite bars@livingtrackless. Genius.com this is the Sprite Living Track List. Obey your thirst hey, it's Ryan Reynolds

[Rory]

here for Mint Mobile now. I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment

[Caller/Guest]

of $45 for 3 months, $90 for 6 months or $180 for 12 month Plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes me slow when

[Host/Announcer]

network is busy see terms New school year same beautiful mess. Good Mom's Bad Choices is back to talk back to school realness, the guilt, the giggles and the choices no other show is brave enough enough to admit. Mom Life is calling and I have my last month of volleyball tournament of IRI's club team volleyball and I cannot

[Mall]

wait for it to be over because

[Host/Announcer]

I don't like participating and having to drive far distances shout out to the moms and my mom who made it happen. Listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hey it's Nora Jones and my podcast Playing along is back with more of my favorite musicians.

[Rory]

Check out my newest episode with Finneas.

[Mall]

So I went home and I asked

[Rory]

Billie if she wanted to sing it.

[Mall]

She immediately made it her own thing.

[Rory]

You really know how to make me cry when you give me those ocean eyes and I'm scared.

[Host/Announcer]

So come hang out out with us in the studio and listen to Playing along on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts

[Mall]

or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Host/Announcer]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Rory]

Guaranteed Human.