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Host 1
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Donovan McNabb
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Host 1
That doesn't happen often.
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Donovan McNabb
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Host 1
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Host 2
The volume.
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Host 1
No Warrior Now. All right, Rory. So we back for another episode of Don't Know Ball, the show where we could let our fans know exactly how much of Ball we do not know. But it's okay because we invite people on that can kind of help us along the way. Today we are joined by a legend.
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Host 2
It's one of the few legends that we've had.
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Host 1
Definitely a legend, somebody that I think has helped the NFL look the way it looks today at the quarterback position. So with the second pick in the 1999 NFL Draft, Rory, the Philadelphia Eagles selected a legend, a dog, a competitor, one of the greatest ever from the Syracuse University, University of Syracuse, Donovan McNabb.
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Host 2
And.
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Host 1
And in we double salute Donovan.
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Host 2
True, true Philly fashion. They booed the person that made their franchise.
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Host 1
Yes. Which was absolutely crazy. But we are joined by the legend, Donovan McNabb. Sir. How you feeling, Donovan?
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Donovan McNabb
I'm feeling all standing brothers. How y' all doing?
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Host 1
Great. You look good. You look great. You look like you can still play. What you doing man? You, you trying to get back out there, man.
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Donovan McNabb
By the way, they giving that money out. I got to figure out a way.
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Host 2
To get one year, one year contract.
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Donovan McNabb
Yeah, all my kids kids stuff, but yeah, just still continue to work out, man. My kids are all active in sports. I have a daughter that's just graduated from Syracuse who played with the Syracuse women's basketball team. Dope. Still be you Know, fulfilling.
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Host 1
Salute to your wife as well. She played.
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Donovan McNabb
Absolutely. I appreciate that. I got twins that are 16. One plays football and basketball. My daughter, she plays softball and basketball. Then I have a hockey player who's also a high schooler. So, man, I'm just staying busy, you know, keeping my sexy alive. Yeah, just working out every day.
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Host 1
Donovan just told us basically all his kids are working.
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Host 2
First of all, he has.
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Host 1
Y' all gonna earn. Y' all gonna earn y' all kid.
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Host 2
He has a kid that plays hockey in Arizona. So, you know, they have to be the best hockey player on earth.
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Host 1
Yeah. Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
Well, the funny thing is, man, I got a nephew that's actually playing, I think, tonight for the Edmonton Oilers.
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Host 2
Oh, okay.
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Donovan McNabb
Nephew. Darnell Nurse.
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Host 1
Shout out to Darnell Nurse.
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Donovan McNabb
Yeah, the defenseman for the Edmonton Oilers. So this is round two against the Florida Panthers for the Stanley Cup. Unfortunately, they didn't win it last year in Game 7, but we'll see this year be different.
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Host 1
So we. We rooting for Edmonton now, of course, have to.
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Host 2
I mean, you love Canadians.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, we have to. We have to root for Edmonton now. Donovan. So talk to us about the early years growing up. You grew up in Chicago. You actually played basketball as well.
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Donovan McNabb
Yes.
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Host 1
You played with Antoine Walker. You played with Tuan, right?
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Donovan McNabb
Antoine Walker.
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Host 1
Yeah. What was it like growing up? We hear about how tough it is in Chicago, but Chicago is known for breeding phenomenal athletes and phenomenal ball players. What is it about the city of Chicago that breeds. Whether just basketball, but it's like basketball and football. What is it about Chicago?
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Donovan McNabb
The thing about it, I think, that's missing in today's game for a lot of these kids is we didn't have trainers. We went out to the park and.
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Host 1
Good point, good point.
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Donovan McNabb
So it's about. It's about competing out on the blacktop. And. And for all of us, it didn't matter if you played football, didn't matter if you ran track, whatever, you still picked up a basketball and you went out to compete. And so what's different about Chicago is we. We come from around dogs. Like, if you ain't. If you ain't tough minded, if you ain't tough physically coming out of Chicago, you ain't really from the crib. And so, you know, it's just for a lot of the skilled guys that we had, we mentioned Antoine Walker, who I went to high school, where people don't realize Antoine was 6, 9, 67 in high school. And you talk about in the 90s, you in high school at 6, 7. You almost walk around like you 7 foot. Right. You know what I'm saying?
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
And he was the guy that can put the ball on the floor. He can see the floor. He was, he was what you see of the modern day LeBron James. You know, he was dynamic. We had a lot of other guys that came out of Chicago area that kind of blew up. But as far as athletes are concerned, we had, man, we had a lot of great football players that ran track or played any other sport, but it was just they ended up going to these Power 4 schools and being able to make their mark in which as a young kid growing up, it gave us hope, it gave us opportunity that we felt like we can get out of the hood, so to speak, or out of, you know, out of Chicago and go and see other things.
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Host 2
What did Antoine play football as well?
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Donovan McNabb
Antoine actually played football when he was young. He could throw, but obviously when you.
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Host 2
But you could throw better.
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Donovan McNabb
Quarterback.
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Host 2
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
So, you know, I think what happened was at that particular point, he already had his mindset that he was going to just strictly play football. I mean, strictly play basketball. But when we play gym class or, you know, we do our flag football, tech tag or whatever in recess or whatever it may have been. Oh, he always, he had an arm. He could play baseball though. He was a baseball player.
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Host 2
Okay, what, what brought you to Syracuse as opposed to maybe a midwest college at the time.
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Donovan McNabb
Kevin Rogers was the quarterback coach at that particular time, who ended up being offensive coordinator. He and coach Paul Pascal only came to Chicago and recruited me. And our office was very similar to the Syracuse office, just as Nebraska was at that time under Tom Osborne. And so those are my top two. Two schools and in Texas, Notre Dame were also follow in that whole recruiting process. But Syracuse was an opportunity for me to come in possibly as a red shirt, freshman, red shirt my first year, and then play for the next four years and start running the same type of offense. And I just loved everything about the university. I wanted to become a sports broadcaster. And they were ranked in the top two or three at that particular point academically. So that was another end for me as well as football and the opportunity to play basketball at Syracuse. So I thought it was just a, you know, a great fit for me to have an opportunity to one graduate academically there at Syracuse and had the opportunity to play both sports.
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Host 1
See Roy, I think that's gangsters. Donovan didn't give us an answer. That was just like a jock answer. He was like, nah. Their broadcast program was top two in the country. It's like, you don't hear high school like that.
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Host 2
I'm thinking the league.
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Host 1
Yeah. I'm thinking, like, the broadcast journalism program. Top two in the country. I gotta go here. Talk to us about draft night. You got booed draft night.
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Donovan McNabb
Right.
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Host 1
And to this day, I still don't understand why they booed. What was that feeling initially when you hear your name? Cause obviously, it's something that, you know, everybody dreams about that play sports and hearing their name called on draft night. So you have your moment, but then your moment is met with boos from the fans that are in attendance. Did you take it personally, or did you just feel like these are just fans of maybe the Giants, the Jets that are in here that are just booing everybody?
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Donovan McNabb
Well, the funny thing is, you know, obviously, being from Chicago, I was always a Bears fan, and so I didn't know the dynamic of, you know, the NFC east and, you know, all of that at that particular point. And having the draft at Madison Square Garden, you know, you would think, there are a lot of Giants fans. There are a lot of fans there in general. And so the funny thing about me and my family, we laugh at about a lot of different stuff. And so when my name was called during the introduction, you know, where they had introduced all of us that were back in the green room, there was slight boos then. And so when I came back in the green room with my family, me and my brother, we just started cracking up. And I looked at my dad, he was like, what was going on out there? I'm like, I thought they were booing, but, you know, he was like, booing who? I'm like, booing me, but, I don't know. I mean, you know, if that's the case, that's on them. And so when my name was called on actual tv, that's when the camera kind of panned to the Philadelphia fans, and. And they booed. And if you see my face, that's when it became personal, because now I didn't. I thought they booed in the introduction, but now they booed while the TV cameras are rolling.
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
And so if you go back to the film, like, I. I always. I'm growing in Chicago. It's cold.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
I put the baseball hat on, I bend it up, and I put it down. And so, you know, at that particular time, Paul Tagliabu, you know, he would lift my hat up just so they could see my face, and I would grab and put. Bring it back down again, because I'm pissed.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
I'm now pissed. And so I'm happy to be the first pick for the Philadelphia Eagles and the second pick in the overall draft. But now I'm pissed because now it's time for me to prove you wrong. And so that was my whole mentality from that point on, all throughout my career, that I was going to prove all the naysayers wrong.
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Host 1
Oh, so that's why he kicked the Giants ass every time. We get it now. See, we're getting these answers.
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Donovan McNabb
You're welcome.
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Host 1
We get these answers. We getting these answers. Now.
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Host 2
Did you feel that same energy in those first few preseason games your rookie year, just from the Eagles fan base in general?
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Donovan McNabb
You know what? Not necessarily, because at that point, as a rookie, I was trying to learn an offense, get comfortable in that offense, and also understand the difference between playing in college and playing in the NFL. So if you, if you recall, my first preseason game was canceled, okay, because we played against the Baltimore Ravens. And at that point they were on HBO on the Hard Knock series, and they came out and tested our field, which was not Lincoln Financial, it was the Vet. And there were potholes where the bases were from the baseball field. And they came out was like, nah, we playing here, like, you know, and there was a, you know, obviously a whole deal that happened with Wendell Davis and, you know, some other players that, that are kind of hurt themselves, torn the ACLs or whatever on that. So they chose not to play. And so my first preseason game was canceled, and I'm like, oh, man. I mentally was all ready to get out here and play, and so I had to wait another. Another week. But my preseason was all about me getting comfortable being in the NFL in this new offense and see what I can do in it.
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Host 2
How, how bad is it playing on those baseball fields, slash football fields, back in the day? Because I feel like the Raiders did it for a while.
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Donovan McNabb
Eagles, the Raiders were. Theirs was on grass and it was dirt. Ours was turf, okay? That turf, I mean, they're divots. And so you're talking where the bases are, where you know, the actual dirt. You know, it's just a lot of combination of that. And that's why a couple years later, we end up going to field turf and changing that and then led us to moving across the street over to Lincoln Financial, where they, they built that and be the home for the Philadelphia Eagles. But it was one. I was used to it because in Syracuse, in the Big east, at that particular point for basketball, you know, we're in football, we're playing Against Temple University. Yeah, we played there.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Donovan McNabb
So I was used to it.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
So for everyone else, it was. It was something new.
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Host 1
And if you grow up playing, like you said on the blacktop, talking about.
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Donovan McNabb
Absolutely.
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Host 1
Go left at the Honda, cut left at the Honda. Like you a little divot in the field. That ain't nothing, man. We just sewer caps. You ran over sewer caps, all of that. Yeah.
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Host 2
When owners are making billions of dollars. Get me off this baseball game.
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Host 1
I'll feel you on that. Let's go back to college.
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Donovan McNabb
I can dig. We are worth millions of dollars.
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Host 1
Yeah. Protect those needs.
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Donovan McNabb
When we were younger, you know, we were trying to, you know, scrap up some money so we can go to the corner store and get, you know, the juice box or maybe a pickle.
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Host 1
Let's go back to college a little bit. How do you feel about. I have my reservations about the whole transfer portal and, you know, the nil thing. I do love that athletes are being paid.
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Donovan McNabb
True.
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Host 1
I think they should because, you know, you generate so much money for schools and universities and things like that. The transfer portal, though.
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Donovan McNabb
Right.
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Host 1
How do you. How does Donovan McNabb. How do you view the whole transfer portal thing?
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Donovan McNabb
You know what? I'm a fan, but not a fan. And remember, I get kids that are now in high school now getting recruited. And so I have a son that plays wide receiver here in Phoenix, and he's recruited, he's got 17, 18 offers right now. But my worry as a dad and former player is are you recruiting these athletes out of high school to develop these kids or is it you're expecting them to come in ready and if they're not ready now, are you going in the transfer portal to pretty much recruit over them to get someone that has already been in the program, understands the academic aspect of it and the studying and being able to play football, going through the regiment. And then also, are you bringing him in for the next two to three years? Where now that kind of pushes the development back from my son going in. And what does that mean? Now we have to enter the transfer portal and now kids will start going around where it's modern day free agency.
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
And with the nil stuff, now you bring in a kid who may not be as talented as your son or my son that's coming in young and you already offered him and he signed now for a million dollars. So now he has to play.
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
He has to play because you're giving him a million dollars and he's probably got some exotic car deal and he's driving around on campus and this kid is standing next to my son on the sideline, but he's probably the first one to go in because he's already been in college. You already given him a million dollars, whatever it may be. Right. I worry about where the landscape of the playing. If you look at, across the collegiate level right now, majority of the schools that are offering these big contracts, big deals to these kids out of the transfer portal, these are the teams that are still scratching the surface of trying to get up to the top. Where the Ohio states are where. You know what I'm saying, where all these teams are that are consistently at that level. And so now you're just throwing money away to try to compete at that level, but find yourself still at that, that median. And so I love the fact that these kids are getting rewarded for their potential talent or maybe stuff that they've already accomplished. But they're going to have to put a cap on this at some point.
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Host 2
I hear that. I mean, speaking of athletes getting their. Their just due, I feel like at your peak, the jersey era was also at its peak.
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Donovan McNabb
And I think that's where we would have made our money. We would have made our money off of the jerseys, T shirts, hats. You know, it wouldn't have been so much of where these kids are now. We would have had sponsorships like grocery stores and, you know, little stuff like mom and pop shops. These dudes, they, they making $500,000 to. To go smile in front of a candy store. You know what I'm saying?
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Host 1
Right.
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Host 2
Even in the pros, I feel like, of course NFL jerseys are always going to sell no matter what. But the early 2000s and mid 2000s, that whole jersey culture really, really hit. And I felt you could not escape a Donovan McNabb jersey in the mid 2000s. Was that a big part of your contracts at that time?
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Donovan McNabb
Contracts for us?
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Host 2
Yes. Of you getting a piece of your jersey. That's being so.
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Donovan McNabb
I, I think I was in the era where we didn't receive any money in the nil because remember the Charles o' Bannon.
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Host 2
I'm saying when you were the Eagles, not, not with Syracuse, you get your.
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Donovan McNabb
Royalties from the NFL. But it wasn't, it wasn't to the point. The piece of. The percentage in which we receive is not to where it's at now. Yeah. Okay. Like, I remember getting my royalties for the men in their apparel, but also got royalties from the females in the jersey sales that I was able to. To receive from that from the females wearing My jerseys at that particular point, they made the pink and white jerseys for the ladies. Yeah, they also had the. The regular jerseys for us. But my pink and white jerseys for the ladies were high as well. So that was a percentage that I received that really I appreciated at that particular point. But, you know, the game has changed it as this fall, we're talking. We're talking almost what I've been out of the game now almost 13, 14 years. And so, you know, it's, It's. I love where it's evolving, where it's going. I'm not one of these old guys that's like, ah, they need to make it what we made.
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Host 2
I feel like you maybe contributed to the NBA dress code because wasn't the last straw for Iverson.
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Host 1
He had the.
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Host 2
Your jersey on backwards walking into the arena. I think that was the last straw for the league.
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Donovan McNabb
We made one for. For Iverson because AI and I came out of high school pretty much together. So Kobe wore my jersey.
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Host 2
Okay.
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Donovan McNabb
Sideline. And Kobe was a big Eagles fan. And so, you know, for. In the NBA at that particular point, because of football, when we, when we played at home games or travel, we wore suits.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
Remember the game changed in the NBA where they had to dress. It was a dress code. If you, you know, you didn't play, you sit on the sideline. And then they fought that. And that's when AI and all them start wearing sweatsuits and all of that stuff. So.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
Do you have any great AI or Kobe stories?
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Donovan McNabb
Kobe and I went golfing in California. It was actually a weird time because that was when Michael Jackson passed away.
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Host 1
Oh, wow.
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Donovan McNabb
We were all on the golf course together, me and him, just talking. We kind of stayed in contact. And then my oldest daughter was. I believe she may have been one or two years older than Gigi. And so we, we both coach club girls basketball and we got a chance to be in a couple tournaments together and sit down and talk and. And just talk about the future of where women's basketball is and at that particular point. So unfortunately, what happened to Cole will go down as one of the greatest of all time.
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Host 1
Absolutely.
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Donovan McNabb
And just his impact, like I mentioned, his impact not only in the men's game, but also in the women's game as well, of what he transcended for a lot of these young girls that are now going into the collegiate level. Incoming out of it. So for him, and then me and AI, we. We had so much fun together. Anyway, in Philadelphia, what he was doing across the street over with The Sixers. And then coming over what we were doing at that particular time when they went to the world championship, playing against the Lakers, I think we went to the super bowl that year. The Phillies were winning at that particular time. So Philadelphia was a hotbed for.
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Host 1
Y' all had, y' all had Philly. Y' all had Philly on fire. Y' all had Philly on fire for sure.
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Donovan McNabb
Petey Crack.
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Host 1
Ye. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host 2
The early 2000s for Philly was.
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Host 1
Yeah, Dominic Philly was fire dominant. So we just had the, we just had the NFL draft a couple months ago, and obviously the big news coming out was Shador Shador Sanders dropping to the fifth round. Now, I, you know, I, I, I attribute you to the, a lot of the, the reason why the NFL quarterback position looks the way it looks today. Obviously, a lot of these guys grew up watching you and know who you are and, and, and saw a.
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Host 2
How.
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Host 1
Did you feel watching that? Like, what was, what was your mindset? And how did you feel about seeing Shador, you know, and, and just, and Coach Prom, having to deal and go through that situation.
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Donovan McNabb
As, as now an evaluator. You know, ever since I left the game, you know, obviously being a part of the media and being, being on that side of it and knowing from both sides of it, I felt like he would drop. You know, after Cam Ward, there were a few teams that needed quarterbacks at that particular point. I didn't think they were great landing spots for him. And after, I think it might have been New Orleans, I think at 8 or 9, everybody was banking on Pittsburgh at, I think, 21. And everybody said, well, Mike Tomlin, don't take you, you know.
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
Mike is a guy that's always going to reach out and try to help our community, you know, with the black quarterbacks. So you look at the roster in which he's had since he's been there. I mean, from the Charlie Batches, the Dennis Dixons, to Mike Vick to, you know what I'm saying? So the list goes on. And when he decided to go another direction and not drafting Shador, my antennas went up. Because, you know, in today's game, the thing that I want to see from these young kids is a little bit more professionalism.
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Host 1
Okay?
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Donovan McNabb
And I say that because you look at, on the sideline of these games, these kids out here with about 150, $200,000 worth of gold on their neck or flat, you know, chains, and I'm like, first of all, it all starts with the coaching staff of not allowing that let's, let's get polo shirts and look presentable. And so now when you go through the draft of what's going on, what's been said and all of this, of not being prepared for these meetings or whatever it may be, I know in the recent years, I want to say the last seven to ten years or so many good, maybe deeper, what these teams do is they send you a DVD of the plays, install plays that they want you to look at and go over. So now when they come in, you have to now be able to get on the board and explain that. And from what I understand, you know, they weren't able, he wasn't able to do that. And then they kind of kept talking about the headphones and you know, he kept talking about himself, legendary and blah, blah, blah, you know, all of this, which I don't know for sure.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
Because I was in the room or whatever it may be.
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Host 1
Right.
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Donovan McNabb
But I just want these young guys to understand the business aspect of things, of how to look presentable, present yourself in the right way when you're sitting and talking to these things. Because it's a job interview, at the end of the day, it's a job interview. You know, they want to know can you be a CEO of their company with 10 to 20 to 30 million dollars on the table and can you handle that? You know what I mean? Still be focused on the task at hand. So I didn't think he would draft, he would drop to the fifth round. That's a real big drop. Normally it would probably happen in the third round, mid second. But the funny thing for me is when Mel Kuiper was up on stage and he's harping, you know, some what they're doing, they don't know how to evaluate quarterbacks when just last year he. Or two years ago he was pushing for Will Levis, right. To be in that same position.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
And it didn't work out for Will.
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Host 2
Mel is, you know, not always the, the best judge of talent when it comes to quarterbacks, especially during the draft.
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Donovan McNabb
Pick up a learner, west coast offense.
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Host 2
For like three, four years and then fucking defined one.
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Donovan McNabb
Yeah.
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Host 2
On, on your way to your first EA Sports meeting, did you have in the back of your mind maybe the Madden curse is real?
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Donovan McNabb
You know what? I'm not a big guy to believe in curses. I'm not even that I got heard in years. I don't, I don't believe in that now. People will say, well you, you know, me and Mike Vick and I think Ray Got hurt or whatever, you know. But things have changed over the recent years. For guys that have been on. On the COVID Madden expectations are higher. After you're on. On the COVID people were expecting great things and. Or whatever. If you have a down year compared to the previous year, then, then everyone looks at it in that particular way. But I'm not a big believer in the curses.
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Host 2
What's the process like with that outside of you just being on the COVID Like, were you heavily involved when they put the green suit on you and have to get your mannerisms and everything? What's the process of making the magnet?
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Donovan McNabb
I'm trying to remember. I know I went to San Diego and did some of that stuff where the bulbs and stuff or, you know, I did some of that stuff. But you gotta remember too, at that time, there were no. There was no 4. Was it 4K or whatever, right? And you know.
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Host 1
We just saw your number. We just saw number. We saw your number. That's it.
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Donovan McNabb
You got closed caption. You got like four cameras now. You got cameras everywhere. Yeah, it was an exciting time for me because we were all playing Madden at that time while we're playing, right? There was no fantasy football. There was none of this other stuff. It was, hey, man, you get to one of your boys house, man, you grab a drink, everybody's sitting there, order some pizza. Hey, man, I'm up first. Like, you playing mad all night. Like now it's like on the computer, it's Internet, it's all this other stuff that's going on. And so, man, it was a great honor for me.
- [26:33]
Host 2
I have to ask, in the locker room, when the new Madden game drops, is anyone, is anyone upset about their rating?
- [26:43]
Donovan McNabb
I was, I was at that point. You got to remember, at that point, we, we were just playing. Yeah, yeah, I was, because I, I think I did an event and it was me and Tony Gonzalez and they were talking to Tony about his speed, his catches. Yeah. And so Tony's. I think at that point, Tony might have had a 92 speed or something to that effect. And I had like an 86 or something. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute.
- [27:12]
Host 2
Like, we could go outside and race right now.
- [27:15]
Host 1
You know what I'm saying?
- [27:16]
Donovan McNabb
I'm like, yo, we can line up. Like, I know y' all think he's faster than me, but, you know, it was like he was talking about it and that was all my mindset. Like the speed, like I'm faster than.
- [27:27]
Host 1
Right.
- [27:27]
Donovan McNabb
But it was just, it's still to that point, at that Time, man. It was just an honor to be on the COVID because here's a kid out of Chicago who we got the Chicago Sunstone Suntime newspaper. You know, WGN tv. You know, we got. We got. That's our social media that if you make it in the paper in Chicago, that mean you did something.
- [27:50]
Host 1
Right.
- [27:50]
Donovan McNabb
And so going through. Going to Syracuse, when we got the Syracuse, you know, newspaper, that's a school paper, and then obviously in Syracuse, that was a big thing. Now we're talking about on a cover of a video game that I know everybody in America is playing. Yeah, like, that was a real big honor for me. And I was on the COVID of backyard football. Yeah. Come on.
- [28:13]
Host 2
I totally forgot about backyard football.
- [28:14]
Host 1
I forgot about that one.
- [28:15]
Donovan McNabb
Come on. That was before Neo Geo and all that.
- [28:20]
Host 2
I will say I. I share with you the same. Tony Gonzalez is a legend, but 92 speed is crazy for Tony Gonzalez. Yeah, I was like, what was Marshall Falk like?
- [28:31]
Donovan McNabb
Seriously, like what I'm saying. So we. I mean, the whole 99 ratings and all that cute now, but, yeah, we weren't getting all that back in the day.
- [28:40]
Host 1
So let's talk about the. The Super Bowl. So what happened? What's the story about Donovan McNabb throwing up?
- [28:50]
Donovan McNabb
It's false.
- [28:52]
Host 1
Didn't happen. No.
- [28:53]
Host 2
Willie beaming. Okay.
- [28:54]
Donovan McNabb
It's false. It didn't happen. There's no video of it. I could tell you straight off top, it wasn't. It didn't happen. Did I get hit in the mouth? Yeah.
- [29:03]
Host 1
Okay.
- [29:04]
Donovan McNabb
I got hit in the mouth. Like the third play of the game from Teddy Brusky, like, right up under the chair.
- [29:09]
Host 1
It would be Teddy Brusky.
- [29:10]
Donovan McNabb
Yeah.
- [29:11]
Host 2
Great media guy now, too.
- [29:12]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [29:13]
Donovan McNabb
I mean, but, you know, again, it. It was interesting because it was. We lost the game. And I think there were a comment by one of my office alignment or somebody said, like, I was tired or whatever. It may have been, hell, yeah, I'm tired. We playing the subo. But I'm like, okay. And then it went to, you know, throwing up or whatever, and I was like, what are y' all talking about? So this has been now 20 plus years, and everybody's still talking about there's no video of me throwing up. Like, it didn't happen.
- [29:43]
Host 2
If social media existed at that time.
- [29:46]
Donovan McNabb
Do you think would have ended.
- [29:47]
Host 1
You would.
- [29:48]
Donovan McNabb
It would have ended right after that because you have no footage or no evidence in it.
- [29:53]
Host 2
Would you have cleared it up, though? Like, say, a Twitter or Instagram?
- [29:57]
Donovan McNabb
No existed. Because the thing with me is I'M not going to give any more legs or energy or gas to something that doesn't make sense. Okay? So I never talk about anything unless it's presented to me. And then I gave the same answers. Like for 20 years I've been given the same answer.
- [30:15]
Host 1
Right?
- [30:15]
Donovan McNabb
But people, it's still a question people keep bringing up.
- [30:18]
Host 2
And I mean, even though it was back when there wasn't like cell phone cameras, it was the fucking super bowl. Somebody would have that footage.
- [30:25]
Host 1
Cameras everywhere. Cameras everywhere. No worry now.
- [30:30]
Host 2
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- [30:36]
Host 1
Nice.
- [30:37]
Host 2
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Host 1
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- [31:02]
Donovan McNabb
This is your girl, T.S. madison, and I'm coming to you loud, live and in color from the Outlaws podcast. Let me tell you something. I broke the Internet with a 22 inch weave. 22 inches. My superpower.
- [31:16]
Host 1
I've got the voice.
- [31:18]
Donovan McNabb
My kryptonite don't exist. Get a job. My podcast, the one they never saw coming. Each week I sit down with the.
- [31:27]
Host 1
Culture creators and scroll stoppers.
- [31:30]
Donovan McNabb
Tina Knowles, Lil Nas X.
- [31:32]
Host 1
Will we ever see a dating show?
- [31:34]
Donovan McNabb
For the love of Lil Nas X.
- [31:35]
Host 1
Let'S do a show with all my exes.
- [31:37]
Donovan McNabb
X marks the spot.
- [31:38]
Host 1
No.
- [31:38]
Donovan McNabb
Here it is. My next X.
- [31:40]
Host 1
That's actually cute though.
- [31:41]
Donovan McNabb
Laverne Cox.
- [31:42]
Host 1
I have a core group of girlfriends that like, they taught me how to love.
- [31:46]
Donovan McNabb
And Chapel Rome.
- [31:47]
Host 2
I was dropped in 2020, working the.
- [31:48]
Donovan McNabb
Drive thru and here we are now. We turned side eye into sermons, pain into punchline, and grief into. We turn those into galaxies. Listen, make sure you tell Beyonce I'm going right on the phone right now and call her. Listen to outlaws with TS Madison on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast, honey.
- [32:13]
Host 1
So with the quarterback position now in the NFL, who is, who is some of your guys that you look at that you can't like? You have to watch their game. Like I gotta watch. I love watching him play. He approaches the game the. Right. Who are some of those guys for you?
- [32:31]
Donovan McNabb
Well, starts with Patrick because I have, I have that relationship with Patrick, obviously being coached by Andy Reid, right? And I've talked to Patrick on many Occasions almost every Super Bowl. Every super bowl that I talked to the team, they won.
- [32:48]
Host 1
Oh, wow.
- [32:49]
Donovan McNabb
And the team and the time. I didn't. We won't. So.
- [32:57]
Host 2
So where's your alliance?
- [33:00]
Donovan McNabb
It worked out well in New Orleans.
- [33:01]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [33:02]
Donovan McNabb
But Andy's my guy, so. I love watching Patrick. I love watching Lamar, Josh Allen. I love watching, you know, Joe Burrow and the weapons that he has. I love. I love watching Tua because Tua plays the game a different way. And I would love for him to be healthier if he was to be able to finish out full seasons, because I think Tua is one of those guys that's truly accurate. He throws with anticipation, doesn't have the strongest of arms, and he has. He has a little bit of dog in him, which I would love for him to protect himself a little bit more. But sometimes you just can't. You can't pull back that kind of energy when you already have it. And then also, Baker Mayfield brings. He brings different type of attitude to the game where he has a linebacker mentality, you know, quarterback position. And so I just love watching these particular guys, like, and they all present something different. And so obviously, I had Jalen Hurts in there, because that's my guy.
- [34:04]
Host 1
I was just going to say, if you don't say Jalen, we got to ask why.
- [34:07]
Donovan McNabb
Well, no, I mean, I've been like a little brother to me.
- [34:10]
Host 1
Okay.
- [34:11]
Donovan McNabb
You know, I've. I've been mentoring and talking to Jalen since his name was called.
- [34:15]
Host 1
Okay.
- [34:15]
Donovan McNabb
And I tried to explain to people when he was drafted that he was coming into the quarterback room as the grown man in the room. Here's a guy that had so many offensive coordinators since his freshman year, Alabama, all the way to Oklahoma, to Philadelphia. And so he's learned four different offenses in four or five years.
- [34:36]
Host 1
Well, I didn't think about it like that. Yeah.
- [34:38]
Donovan McNabb
And so, you know, and he was coached by his dad in high school, and people don't realize he was the starting quarterback as a Alabama as a senior in high school, he went up in the spring, played spring ball, competed to win that position, to start his freshman year at Alabama, at Alabama University.
- [34:56]
Host 1
That's crazy.
- [34:56]
Donovan McNabb
And to go to the national championship.
- [34:58]
Host 1
Right.
- [34:59]
Host 2
That is wild.
- [35:00]
Donovan McNabb
So it says a lot about, like, him winning the super bowl, going to the super bowl two years. That's not a shock to me because he's played almost every year he's played in the national championship game almost, except when he was in Oklahoma.
- [35:12]
Host 1
The one thing that we do say about Jalen he carries himself like an older son, like a professional. Yeah, he's a very. He's very professional.
- [35:19]
Donovan McNabb
Exactly. He's very professional. That's my point. Like, these young kids in college need to take on the role of these guys like Jalen and be more professional. And I guarantee you this, they'll make more money. Yeah, you. You. You take the gold out your mouth.
- [35:35]
Host 2
You.
- [35:36]
Donovan McNabb
You stop walking around with $200,000 around your neck. You. You talking about talking in third person in. In the media, when you get an interview like these, These are different things that they need to understand. Yeah, the money, you getting to go to the university. That's good with the collective and all of that, but you can make so much other. More money. Like. Like, for instance, Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark, everybody want to talk about what she's making now, what she's done. Caleb Clark made, like $3 million off the court from State Farm and all this other stuff. That. Because that's the professionalism is where the money is.
- [36:10]
Host 1
Okay.
- [36:11]
Donovan McNabb
Outside of what you're doing.
- [36:14]
Host 2
Yeah, I hear you on that. Back to the field, who was the corner or safety that gave you the most trouble throughout your career?
- [36:25]
Donovan McNabb
You had Dion, who I played against Dion when he was in Dallas, I think when he was in Washington, when he was in Baltimore, Ernest Williams with the Rams. Oh, you know, he was. He was solid. Hall of Famer, you know, safeties. I mean, Sean Taylor was a. Was an animal at safety. Troy Palo was. Was a beast. Darren Sharper, even my own Brian Dawkins, you know, I see them every day at practice and, you know, obviously I didn't have to compete with him come game time because he changes into a whole different person come game time. But again, like DNS, Michael Strahan, you know, T. Suggs, like, all these guys that I played against that. That are hall of Famers and were dynamic, you know, at their position.
- [37:24]
Host 1
What are your thoughts on the Tush push? And I'm trying to get rid of it.
- [37:28]
Donovan McNabb
I don't have a problem with it, because the funny thing is everybody has tried it. Not everybody has been as successful as the Philadelphia Eagles. Nobody's gotten hurt. Nobody's careers ended because of it. Now, is it hard? Yeah, I'm sure it's hard to stop, but Kansas City stopped Buffalo when they. They tried to do it three times.
- [37:47]
Host 1
That's a fact.
- [37:48]
Donovan McNabb
You know what I'm saying? I think Baltimore had their reign, it a little bit, but then they just decided not to put Lamar in the harm's way. And then just Give it to Derrick Henry. The list goes on of other teams that have. Have tried it. They just haven't been as successful as Philadelphia.
- [38:04]
Host 1
Now you.
- [38:05]
Donovan McNabb
You.
- [38:05]
Host 1
You dropped some names when we was talking about how y' all had Philly on fire when it came to rap. Beanie Siegel, Petey Crack. Who were some of the guys that you were listening to on your way to the stadium? Like, what. What was Donovan listening to in. In his. In his car?
- [38:19]
Donovan McNabb
State property, you know, Eve. All my Philly. All my Philly representatives and rap. You know, I was an R B head. You know, I was an R B. Me too.
- [38:31]
Host 1
I love R B, man.
- [38:32]
Donovan McNabb
And remember at that time, we had music, Soul Child, Belial, all the. All the R Bs from Philly, but me very. From Chicago. And people, you know, they get a little. Little with it. But I was an R Kelly fan.
- [38:44]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [38:45]
Donovan McNabb
R. Kelly in the booth. Yeah, R. Kelly in the booth.
- [38:48]
Host 1
R Kelly in the booth.
- [38:49]
Host 2
All of us were.
- [38:50]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [38:51]
Donovan McNabb
R. Kelly in the booth, you know, from Avant. And I'll even throw my girl to brat in there because she from the crib as well.
- [38:59]
Host 1
Absolutely.
- [39:00]
Donovan McNabb
You know, so I was. I was a mix. Depending on how I was feeling at that particular time. It was either R B, R B remixes, or was it just straight up hardcore rap.
- [39:10]
Host 1
I like how Donovan went from state property.
- [39:12]
Donovan McNabb
Yeah.
- [39:12]
Host 2
He had to get his Jill Scott in there first, though.
- [39:14]
Host 1
He went state property. He went all the way to R B. Like, no. That's a complete playlist.
- [39:18]
Host 2
What would be your top five Philly rappers?
- [39:23]
Donovan McNabb
Ooh, bad. That's hard.
- [39:27]
Host 1
You gotta go beans. We. You gave us beans already.
- [39:30]
Donovan McNabb
Yeah, I mean, but that's hard because, you know, you got beans. You got beans. Freeway. Yeah, always. Always got to put Eve in there because she changed the game for the. For the females in the rap game. Facts, you know, that that's the next next two is kind of hard.
- [39:53]
Host 1
Well, he said state property, so that covers up.
- [39:55]
Donovan McNabb
Yeah. So that. That kind of throws through.
- [39:58]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [39:59]
Host 2
And you. You were going by the time Meek probably showed Meek.
- [40:03]
Donovan McNabb
Actually, I was toward the out. I was on my way out. But my brother work with Meek. But Meek is definitely in that top five, obviously representing Philly.
- [40:10]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [40:11]
Donovan McNabb
You know, because when it comes to old school, like, you know, Will Smith and all them, if you want to put Will Smith in there. Yeah, that group. But what Will Smith did, just kind of on both angles, you know, changed, added a little bit more to the game.
- [40:24]
Host 2
Do. Do your kids like Uzi?
- [40:28]
Donovan McNabb
You know what? They don't. I Mean, I don't know what they listen to. Some of the stuff they listen to now, man. You know, because they. It's not so much of the lyrics. Like. Like when we used to look. Nas, Jay Z. Yeah. Like, you know, all back in at that time, like, we were about lyrics. Common.
- [40:46]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [40:47]
Donovan McNabb
Now it's just like, you gotta have a catchy hook and a beat.
- [40:50]
Host 1
Yes.
- [40:50]
Donovan McNabb
Some of the stuff, I don't think they open up their mouth. It's beyond mumble rap now. Like, back in the day, you had the mumble rap.
- [40:59]
Host 1
Now it's. Now it's no jaw.
- [41:04]
Host 2
Did anyone try to rap in. In the locker room?
- [41:08]
Donovan McNabb
I mean, you had some freestyle sessions. Okay, some freestyles, but it wasn't prevalent like that. You know, it wasn't. Like, we had one guy that. That can drop some bars. Like, some people, you. You. You try to push them to rap because you know it's gonna be stupid. You know, it's. It's one of them guys. Like, you have somebody read, but, you know, he really can't read.
- [41:27]
Host 2
Like, yeah, so let's make him rap. Some rookie hazing for sure.
- [41:33]
Host 1
So we spoke to one of your former teammates, Leshawn McCoy. We had him on probably last week. Was that last week? Two weeks ago.
- [41:39]
Host 2
Two weeks ago, yeah.
- [41:41]
Host 1
And talking to him, he wants to know why is it that? Or why do you feel like Philly fans don't embrace Donovan McNabb? Like, you're not the guy that really helped bring the Eagles back to a respectable organization.
- [41:59]
Donovan McNabb
I don't know. That's. That's the one that I can't answer, to be honest with you. I mean, I did what I did. You know, I did a lot of stuff in the community. You know, I gracia with. With Philadelphia. So at some point, they always kind of was, you know, he's not. He's not one of us, whatever the hell that means. But, you know, that was. It was.
- [42:18]
Host 1
Saying that about somebody from Chicago is crazy.
- [42:20]
Donovan McNabb
Right. You know what I'm saying? He's not one of us. Like, oh, okay. Parents in the house.
- [42:25]
Host 1
Right, Right.
- [42:26]
Donovan McNabb
You know what I mean?
- [42:27]
Host 1
Right.
- [42:28]
Host 2
Five NFC championships.
- [42:30]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [42:30]
Donovan McNabb
I know how to carry myself. Like a wrong man. Like, you know what I mean?
- [42:33]
Host 1
Right.
- [42:33]
Donovan McNabb
Whatever it may be. But you know what's funny? Like, you'll hear a small portion of percentage of people that say stuff like that.
- [42:41]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [42:42]
Donovan McNabb
But the mass. Mass percentage of people know that I'm all about Philly, and they were very supportive of what I've been able to accomplish and do and what I was able to do in my. My decade of playing there.
- [42:54]
Host 1
Absolutely.
- [42:54]
Donovan McNabb
The success that we've had and everything I was able to accomplish.
- [42:57]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [42:57]
Host 2
I mean, Philly fans individually are good people, but when they get together, they're some of the worst animals I've ever come across in my entire life. Like, to the point that you're. You take them to five NFC championships and they honor a bartender that made special teams and make a movie about it. Like, Philly fans are the weirdest human beings I've ever fucking met.
- [43:17]
Donovan McNabb
But you know what? You know what it is? It's. It's. At that time, it wasn't social media, it was talk radio.
- [43:22]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [43:22]
Donovan McNabb
And so, you know, people want to, you know, expose or kind of let out bad energy of how they feel about a game, how they feel about. And then I became a lightning rod. My name became a lightning rod for people to, you know, say their. Express their feelings about how I played the game or how whatever it may have been or we won, it wasn't because of me, whatever it may have been. And it became about talk radio. And so anytime I speak, like, even probably after this whole show we're doing and y' all put excerpts out about, you know, about some of the questions and some of my answers, I'm sure a whole lot of people probably come negative about, you know, I can't stand when these talks or no one cares, you know, whatever it may be while they're watching it, I'll always explain to people, if you mention my name, that means you thinking about me.
- [44:15]
Host 1
That's a fact.
- [44:15]
Donovan McNabb
So thank you, you know, I appreciate it.
- [44:18]
Host 1
Who are some of your most underrated quarterbacks in the league right now? I know you said tua. You kind of feel like he deserves more love. Okay, who are some of your most underrated quarterbacks right now in the league?
- [44:34]
Donovan McNabb
I would say probably Russell Wilson.
- [44:37]
Host 1
Oh, okay.
- [44:39]
Donovan McNabb
You know, I'll throw, you know, Justin Herbert. Although people put Justin in that top five, which I don't think he's a top five quarterback. But he's underrated because this office that Harbaugh has incorporated is old school. It's run first play action, quick game, explosive plays. So his. He's going to now start to explode. I believe in this offense. I think people like. What's my man name? He's out in Oakland now from Seattle. Gino Smith. Yeah, Gino. Since his opportunity, he's flourished in the moment. He's played well, I think Brock Purdy, what he's been able to do so far, being an Arizona kid, too, show him some love. And guys like that. I just look at guys like that that I think, like two guys that I look at, and I'm kind of watching to see what happens these next couple years for them is Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. Okay. I hope the best for Justin because he's a good kid, comes from great family, and he just needs an opportunity where he's in a great system where they have great players around him to be able to just play his game.
- [46:04]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [46:05]
Host 2
Playing against Belichick, do you have any predictions for this upcoming season with North Carolina?
- [46:11]
Donovan McNabb
I think they'll be. I think they'll be competitive. I think they'll be probably a little bit of mid midway in the pack in the acc because he doesn't have his full recruits in. I think he's been recruiting heavily of the 27 class and a little bit of the 26 class, and so the 25 class. He hasn't been able to kind of jump on that because he came in late, he got a few guys, and I think the transfer portal for a school like Carolina would be big.
- [46:41]
Host 2
Yeah.
- [46:41]
Donovan McNabb
Because who doesn't want to wear the Jordan brand?
- [46:43]
Host 1
Right.
- [46:44]
Donovan McNabb
Who doesn't want to wear the baby blue? I always dreamed of playing in North Carolina, and so I think for. For Belichick, I think two years from now, two, three years from now, they'll be. They'll be up in the likes with Clemson.
- [46:58]
Host 1
Okay.
- [46:59]
Donovan McNabb
Okay. And, you know, in that where you start talking a little bit about North Carolina football.
- [47:05]
Host 1
Now, before we let you go, Donovan, I gotta bring this up. So your former teammate Freddie Mitchell put together an album, and there's remnants. I'm hearing things that there may be a Donovan McNabb verse. You may have recorded a verse for an album. Is that true? Did you lay some bars down?
- [47:26]
Donovan McNabb
You talking about me on Freddie's album?
- [47:29]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [47:30]
Donovan McNabb
Absolutely not.
- [47:33]
Host 1
I was gonna try to get you to spit some bars real quick.
- [47:37]
Donovan McNabb
Absolutely not. If Freddie's doing that, that's gonna be interesting and hilarious. Would I be on. Would I be on this? No.
- [47:50]
Host 1
No.
- [47:50]
Donovan McNabb
Absolutely not. You know, you. You know, as. As the fellas get together, we have fun.
- [47:57]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [47:57]
Donovan McNabb
Red cups out.
- [47:58]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [47:59]
Donovan McNabb
You know, we start spitting some stupid bars. That don't make sense. But we think it's hot.
- [48:03]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [48:04]
Donovan McNabb
You know, you can't take it nowhere else.
- [48:06]
Host 1
Yeah. Just stays here. It stays here.
- [48:08]
Host 2
He recorded it, though.
- [48:10]
Donovan McNabb
So if he did record this in a booth and. And then came out like. Like he's dying.
- [48:17]
Host 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
- [48:23]
Host 2
Speak. Speaking of bars, we put together a list of rappers that have name dropped you in their verses, and we want to see if you could guess which rapper it was. We'll start with the first one. Excuse me, but cuse me. Gotta see the entendre there.
- [48:37]
Host 1
You got it.
- [48:38]
Host 2
Excuse me. What happened? I'm flyer than Robin, I'm flyer than an eagle.
- [48:42]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [48:43]
Host 2
Donovan McNabbin. Do you know what rapper that is?
- [48:48]
Donovan McNabb
These were Philly rappers.
- [48:50]
Host 2
No, it's just across the board. Rappers in general.
- [48:54]
Donovan McNabb
No. Who's that?
- [48:55]
Host 2
Oh, the barbs are gonna kill you. That's Nicki Minaj.
- [48:58]
Host 1
Nicki Minaj, is it?
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Host 2
Yeah.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
What.
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Donovan McNabb
What. What song was that?
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Host 2
Shaking it for Daddy. Pause.
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Donovan McNabb
Whoa.
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Host 2
I'm just. I answered your question. You asked me a question, I answered it.
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Host 1
Donovan turned around. Look. He may feel wifey wasn't walking in the room, like, wait, what?
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Donovan McNabb
Okay, I definitely have to look that up.
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Host 2
It's. It's Robin Thick and Nicki Minaj. Oh, okay, so you get some R and B there.
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Host 1
Rob.
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Donovan McNabb
Rob. Robin was popping back. Okay, I don't know if I'm gonna type in taking it for daddy, but.
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Host 1
Yeah, you don't feel right typing that in.
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Donovan McNabb
Yeah, I don't know what may pop up.
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Host 2
It would definitely. With your algorithms, for sure.
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Host 1
All right, another one. When we met, you was a V like Madonna. Now you in the field running plays like Donovan McNabb before you get in the cab. Oh, yay, Kanye.
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Donovan McNabb
Talk about our love from the crib that you know.
- [49:57]
Host 1
Absolutely, absolutely.
- [49:59]
Donovan McNabb
Yeah. I don't know what's happening now, but.
- [50:02]
Host 1
Nobody was at the crib at one point.
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Host 2
Yeah, you take the next one just based off the lyrical content in there.
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Host 1
All right, last one.
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Host 2
I have some words that I probably just. Yeah, I got this one.
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Host 1
I got you. Yeah, I got you. And I rock my rag like it's 88 and still rocking Shaft. So put the hundreds in the bag, or I'mma put the eagle to your helmet and the fifth to your chest like Donovan McNabb.
- [50:32]
Donovan McNabb
Was that a me? Was that me?
- [50:35]
Host 1
No, that's. That's the game.
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Donovan McNabb
The. Whoa. That's from west coast, honey.
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Host 1
Bars and running hundred.
- [50:43]
Donovan McNabb
Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Oh, I'll definitely have to listen to that one.
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Host 1
Yeah, no, you could. You could type that in. That one you can type in.
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Host 2
I mean, we.
- [50:53]
Donovan McNabb
We have this one here, like a remix of NWA or something.
- [50:57]
Host 2
It was on the 100 bar and running, which was, like, original disc to G Unit. I think it was probably on the N.W.A.B.
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Donovan McNabb
Yeah.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Donovan McNabb
Okay.
- [51:04]
Host 2
I mean, this. This has his name in it, but. One of my favorite Beanie Siegel songs, period. You know, Seagull play with them Eagles Mall. You can put that word there.
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Host 1
Don't get tagged.
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Host 2
Throw bullets out them dirty birds like. Like McNabb toggle. Back and forth.
- [51:20]
Host 1
We gave you a little back and forth on that last. He could. My partner can't say that one, Donald. He can't say that one. One.
- [51:25]
Donovan McNabb
I can dig it.
- [51:26]
Host 1
Yeah, yeah. Donovan, we appreciate you, man. Congratulations. Which is 20 years on the COVID of Madden.
- [51:34]
Donovan McNabb
Yes, sir.
- [51:34]
Host 1
We appreciate you, a legend in every sense of the word. Thank you for everything you did for the game. Thank you for the way you paid for the. For. For our black quarterbacks that are playing today. We appreciate you, a legend forever. Thank you for taking time to kick it with us today, bro.
- [51:47]
Donovan McNabb
I appreciate you guys having me, man. We got to swag out that couch, though. You know, we got. We got. We gotta upgrade that couch.
- [51:53]
Host 1
Yeah, no, we're gonna. We're gonna listen.
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Host 2
We work a deep couch, too. Yeah, like this.
- [51:57]
Host 1
It's all right for what we doing right now. We ain't at the house. We'll never have this type of couch in the house. But it's great for what we doing right now.
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Host 2
Not all of us pay the same taxes in Arizona. We don't get to keep our money like you.
- [52:11]
Host 1
We in New York, bro. They're killing us with these taxes. This is the type of money our taxes could afford right here. We appreciate you, bro. Thank you, man.
- [52:22]
Donovan McNabb
Appreciate that. No doubt.
- [52:24]
Host 1
Love. This is an I Heart podcast.