160 - Real Skinwalker Experience, Oura Ring Conspiracy, Mr. Beast Bunker w/ Jake Hutcheson

Summary

Ninjas Are Butterflies – Episode 160 Summary

Podcast: Ninjas Are Butterflies
Episode Title: Real Skinwalker Experience, Oura Ring Conspiracy, Mr. Beast Bunker w/ Jake Hutcheson
Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Josh Hooper, Andy DeNoon, with panelists Lily, Andrew, and guest Jake Hutcheson

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Episode Overview

This wild, comedic episode dives deep into a mix of spooky folklore (especially skinwalker tales), health and fitness banter, viral conspiracy theories, and the group’s signature unpredictable humor. Special guest Jake Hutcheson joins the crew to share his terrifying real-life skinwalker encounter, weigh in on internet conspiracies—from Oura ring data collection to Mr. Beast’s access to government nuclear bunkers—and add hilarious commentary to the group’s raucous roundtable.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & Song Challenge (00:01–07:36)

• The team pokes fun at sponsored ads, Jamaican cuisine, and an accidental live-podcast language mishap in Jamaica.
• Hosts celebrate unexpected popularity in Papua New Guinea podcast charts.
• Easygoing banter leads to an impromptu reggae/country/rock parody song—complete with “The Rock” as a mystical lake creature:
  • “I saw its eyes, and it wasn’t a shark, it was the Rock. Said, ‘You call me Dwayne, you’re mine now, but I mean you no pain.’” (06:54, Josh)

2. Question Time: “Is Jumping Good for You?” (08:05–12:35)

• Jake reads his own submitted listener question, serving a playful apology for “messing” with panelist Lily last episode.

• Panel divides: Lily insists jumping is good for bones, others joke about hidden meanings and government mind-control programs.

  • Quote: “You think that's good? For juveniles to be under manipulated programs like MK Ultra?” (12:06, Josh, jokingly)

• Quick side stories of minor trampoline injuries segue into the differences between fitness classes, solo workouts, and Jake’s “fathlete” journey.

3. Skinwalker Lore & Jake’s Real-Life Encounter (25:05–29:12)

• Jake’s Story:
  • In remote Colorado, Jake’s friend and his family drive at night and encounter a deer with a human-like face that chases their car—culminating in it running 70+ MPH alongside, banging on the driver’s window on its hind legs. The car is later found scratched and damaged. (26:15–28:11)
    • “It runs over to the window, and it's banging on the door. And it has, like, a human face. Deer on his hind legs with a human face running 80 next to them…” (27:07, Jake)
• The group debates the story’s authenticity and asks about corroborating local legends.

4. Skinwalkers Around the World—Mythology & History (29:12–41:38)

• Josh details Norse “bear seeker” (Berserker) lore, recounting Viking tales of supernatural battle rages and pelt-wearing shape-shifters.
  • “They felt no pain, had superhuman strength, could shrug off wounds that would usually kill a man…” (31:47, Josh)
• Panel explores parallels across cultures: African “leopard men,” Native American shapeshifters, Celtic selkies, Chinese/Japanese fox spirits.
• Discussion connects these tales to ideas of demonic possession, forbidden “Watcher” knowledge, and government-funded experiments (CIA’s Stargate/remote viewing project).
  • Quote: “Every culture on earth has skinwalkers… They go by different names.” (30:00, Josh)

5. Oura Ring Conspiracy & Mr. Beast’s Government Bunker Access (53:00–57:00)

• Andy reveals Spain’s “Stonehenge” (the Dolmen of Guadalperal), intentionally covered up and flooded by 20th-century authorities for political/religious reasons.
• Oura Ring segment: (72:08–74:22)
  • The panel jokes darkly about mass biometric data collection and Oura’s partnership with the Pentagon and Peter Thiel’s Palantir.
  • “They’ve teamed up with Palantir… Department of Defense, they’re using Oura rings for soldiers to collect biometric data…” (73:12, Josh)
• Mr. Beast Bunker:
  • The group speculate why Mr. Beast was granted rare access to the infamous Colorado nuclear command bunker; they theorize on controlled narratives and influence.

6. Physical Health, Workouts, & “Fathlete” Stories (14:47–24:00)

• Jake discusses his journey as a self-described “fathlete,” efforts to break the mold in female-dominated fitness classes, and creative attempts to build habits (mixing push-ups with fishing).
  • “I’m one of the number one fathletes… I want to be jacked.” (15:59, Jake)
• Debate around workout programs, class culture, and cult-like group fitness.

7. Orthodox Christianity, Reverence, and Iconography (59:46–68:39)

• Andy and Lily describe a recent experience at a Greek Orthodox service—discussing worship boundaries, reverence, the meaning and use of religious icons, and differences from modern American church culture.
• Thoughtful reflections on global Christianity, Eucharist restrictions, and what it means to “worship with the saints.”
  • “They believe that when they are worshipping, it’s literally heaven and earth—the veil gets thin… worshipping with angels, with saints, all in the room.” (62:13, Josh)
• A comparison to “secret church” experiences around the world.

8. Comedy, Would-You-Rather, & The Owl Theory (69:03–91:01)

• Would You Rather:

  • “Magic van that lets you teleport/time-travel anywhere” vs. “Magic ring that absorbs any book’s knowledge.” Panel splits: some choose the ring, some the van (Jake would park his van outside Viking bear-seeker battles).
    • “Imagine just touching a book and being like, I know everything.” (70:13, Josh)

• The Owl Theory:

  • Jake tells a wild story about rescuing an owl in the middle of the road, which leads into the infamous “Staircase” documentary’s suggestion that an owl (not a husband) may have fatally wounded a woman in a highly-publicized murder case.
    • “She gets out. She’s like, ‘Please don’t kill me. This is my worst fear.’ ...She grabbed a towel or a shirt… and grabbed it with her hands and moved it all the way under this tree.” (89:38, Jake)

• Laughter, horror, and speculation on the sinister nature of owls ensue.

9. Lightning-Round Comedy & Fish Mishaps (82:39–86:46)

• The group swaps stories of grisly fishing injuries and wild dock accidents.
• Jake recalls hurling a biting hermit crab across Petco as a panicked child.
• Panel “one-ups” with tales of foot injuries, cleats on docks, and oyster shell hazards.

10. Rapid-Fire: Monuments, Historical “Mount Rushmore”, and Final Jokes (78:48–82:23)

• If the hosts could customize Mount Rushmore, they’d vote for Nicholas Cage, Tony from Tony’s Pizza, and others—Jake picks Casey Neistat and Jocko Willink.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Real-Life Skinwalker Story:
  “Deer on his hind legs with a human face running 80 next to them in the middle of the night in Colorado…” (27:07, Jake)

• On Global Lore:
  “Every culture on earth has skinwalkers… They go by different names.” (30:00, Josh)

• Norse Berserkers:
  “They felt no pain, had superhuman strength, could shrug off wounds that would usually kill a man...” (31:47, Josh)

• Would-You-Rather:
  "Imagine just touching a book and be like, I know everything." (70:13, Josh)

• Oura Ring Conspiracy:
  “The Department of Defense, they’re using Oura rings for soldiers to collect biometric data. But... there's gonna be weird loopholes in access.” (73:12, Josh)

• Orthodox Worship:
  "They believe that when they are worshipping, it’s literally heaven and earth—the veil gets thin... worshipping with angels, with saints, all in the room." (62:13, Josh)

• Owl Rescue:
  “She gets out. She’s like, ‘Please don’t kill me. This is my worst fear.’” (89:38, Jake)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:54] – "The Rock in the Lake" song parody
• [08:05] – “Is Jumping Good for You?” listener question
• [25:05–29:12] – Jake’s skinwalker story (Colorado deer creature)
• [29:12–41:38] – Skinwalkers worldwide and “bear seeker” legends
• [53:00–57:00] – Spanish Stonehenge & Oura Data Conspiracy; Mr. Beast government bunker
• [59:46–68:39] – Greek Orthodox service reflection
• [69:03–71:32] – Would you rather: magic van or book-absorbing ring
• [89:38–91:01] – Owl in the road; “Staircase” documentary and owl theory
• [82:39–86:46] – Fishing accidents & animal injury stories
• [78:48–82:23] – Custom Mount Rushmore rapid-fire

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Tone & Language

• Irreverent, fast-paced comedy punctuated by wild sound effects, situational banter, genuine curiosity, and the group’s willingness to jump from conspiratorial deep-dives to slapstick, self-aware jokes.
• Language remains playful and family-friendly, with running jokes about “being a clean show.”
• Jake’s stories add dry wit and authenticity, especially regarding regional folklore and fitness struggles.
• Serious, thoughtful moments emerge around topics like faith practices, cultural reverence, and global legends.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 160 delivers on scares, laughs, and mind-bending “what if” scenarios. From a firsthand “skinwalker” experience and illuminating links between world folklore and government secrets, to an in-depth exploration of faith traditions and a closing parade of physical mishap stories, the Ninjas Are Butterflies panel flexes its signature mix of knowledge, absurdity, and heart. Jake Hutcheson’s recurring role as both storyteller and comic foil fits perfectly, and his presence promises more adventures to come.

For fans of folklore, friendly conspiracies, and chaotic group humor, this episode is a can't-miss.

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[For Patreon members: extra content promised on Jake’s family history and nuclear bomb test videos. Follow @Hutch.Jake for more from the guest.]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Better put your hands in your pockets because Peter Thiel is collecting your biometric data using your actual fingers.

[C]

And watch out. Owls are killing people.

[D]

This podcast is brought to you Empowered by Sunday. Cool. Watch this or listen.

[E]

Typically, I would finish that.

[B]

Yeah, typically. And the energy was just off.

[A]

She just wants all the spotlight.

[E]

Thanks.

[D]

Relax. Go ahead.

[E]

Part of the team.

[B]

No, you did it.

[E]

It's fine.

[A]

No, we're going to.

[B]

What is Andrew going to say?

[A]

Roll the.

[E]

Roll the intro.

[B]

God, poor Andrew.

[A]

Why do you bully him so much?

[D]

Why is he going to be nice to me?

[B]

Look at what you made him do. He's angry. You made him angry.

[C]

I got a Jamaican beef patty instead.

[B]

Of one of those Jamaican beef patties. We need to actually go on the record real quick. When we were doing our live podcast, we were saying a word in Jamaican, not realizing that it was a full on cuss word.

[C]

No way.

[B]

We weren't told till after. We were screaming it weird like, a.

[A]

Couple times for the full first full minute, like.

[B]

And someone's like, you can blurp it out, right?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

We found out later, like, oops, we.

[A]

Peaked in Jamaica for some reason.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I can't believe you just trusted, like, some troll in the comments to like.

[B]

Well, I've heard it. I've heard Jamaican people say it before.

[D]

To you.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, no, it's like any hip hop songs and. Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Hip hop doesn't typically cuss.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. We trusted them.

[B]

Typically really clean genre.

[A]

We trusted you, Jamaica, and you let us down. And you're Jamaican. Me not trust you anymore.

[B]

Hey, remember last time we talked about Papua New Guinea?

[C]

Yes. And the war.

[B]

Since we've talked about them, we've been in the top 10 comedy podcasts in Papua New guinea for, like, I don't know, two months now.

[A]

Yeah. We hit number one.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No way.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You should do a tour over there.

[B]

I wanted to get Lil to want to go over there. She's like, no way.

[D]

Well, hold on. It's just my fear of cannibalism.

[B]

Yeah. Which they banned in the 80s do.

[C]

They follow the band?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. That's a valid point to not go.

[D]

I'm chewing. That's why I'm not talking human.

[A]

See, I'm in fear of Campbell Cannibalism everywhere I go. So Papua New guinea, who cares?

[D]

It's just a little too recent for me that it's.

[A]

When was it? Seventies, eighties?

[D]

You just said that.

[A]

That's okay. That's 50 years ago. Oh, no, 80 years ago. Sorry.

[B]

Oh, yeah, 80 years ago.

[E]

Eighty years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My bad.

[B]

Hey, welcome, Jake.

[A]

Jake's back.

[B]

That's so loud.

[C]

Thank you for having me again.

[A]

I know mine was super loud, too. We're happy to have you back. Always. This is your second home.

[C]

Thank you. I feel like it looks good here.

[A]

You can crash here anytime you want.

[C]

It's kind of nice right there.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I like that.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

You go with his mic like that.

[C]

What do you want me to do with it?

[E]

Sounds good to me. Does it sound bad to you? How's this?

[B]

Sounds good.

[C]

Hey, how's his face look?

[A]

Hey, you could always do broadcasting, too.

[C]

Pando bono, Panda bono. Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

Eat that mic.

[C]

How's that, Josh?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Eat the mic. Eat the mic.

[A]

Eat the mic, brother. I'm out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Can't say it. It's a clean show.

[A]

It's a family friendly show.

[C]

My bad.

[B]

The lady, she said she was dying laughing because she realized that we realized that it wasn't a cuss word.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she's like, they have no idea.

[A]

I'm just imagining how funny that would be if, like, we were watching, like, like, a Chinese podcast and then we just heard them screaming the F word. It's like, that would be them not knowing what it is. It's like, dude, no pump. Oh, so good.

[B]

So fun. We have fun.

[A]

Hey, we dabble.

[B]

We're going to dabble a lot today.

[A]

What are we going to dive into, Josh?

[E]

In the dark arts of Mordor?

[B]

Just kidding. No, we got some stories today, I think, I hope, I think, I hope. No, we do. Jake has. Jake told us last time, after the podcast, he had a crazy story, and we're like, why didn't you say it on the podcast?

[A]

Yeah, he told us over, like, lunch, and we're like, what in the world? This is amazing. An amazing story. It's so scary. Lily also said she has the best question she's ever had on the podcast.

[B]

No way.

[D]

I did find a question this time. I did prepare, but it's not.

[A]

You said it was the best question you've ever came up with.

[D]

No way.

[A]

Okay. We're excited.

[E]

What a skilled way to remind her.

[A]

Yeah, True.

[B]

Speaking of skilled ways. Jake.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Well.

[D]

Mm.

[B]

You guys want a song?

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right, let's do it.

[B]

You got a genre in mind, S. Jake?

[C]

Reggae, Country.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Rock mix.

[A]

Okay. That's easy. So, like Uncle Cracker.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Down in the streets they called it murder. Welcome to Jam Rock. Okay. Yeah. All right. We'll figure something out. They say jumping in the water is good if you can do it they say you should so I went out and gave it, gave it a try Walked on the dock and let it fly the water's cold but it felt just right Then all of a sudden I felt a bite it pulled me down into the dark I saw its.

[A]

Eyes and it wasn't a shark, it was the rock said, you call me Dwayne, you're mine now But I mean you no pain.

[B]

I need a friend and I'll guess you do Here in Atlantis where dreams come true.

[C]

Jihoo. Wow. That was so good. I love that you guys do these. I can leave Happy now?

[A]

Little pop up song. We'll jump in the water. JPD I feel good.

[C]

I feel like I just jumped in. Boy, I'm invigorated, refreshed.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Why would the Rock do that?

[B]

I don't know. He just likes. I heard he likes to just dwell in the bottom of lakes looking for.

[A]

Friends and all the low places.

[B]

Speaking of low places, we're about to go to a low place. I think.

[A]

Go there, man.

[B]

I don't want to do it.

[A]

We were on a good vibe. We were.

[B]

I know we were on a good vi. But guess what? Tick tock, tick tock. The clock is rung. Question time.

[E]

Dang it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dang it.

[B]

For those who are just tuning in.

[A]

For the people who skip the song. And now we're at this part.

[B]

It's come to that point of the show, the thing we dread where we have to get down and dirty, dig through the mud and just answer these questions that just seem impossible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But we do it for you guys. We do it for the people of the United States. Do it for the people of the world.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So I'll just. I mean, I'll just get on with it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Today's question. Sit in by our viewer. What? Today's question sent in by a viewer named Jake.

[C]

I did send in the question.

[A]

Whoa. This has never happened before. The viewer question is on the panel.

[B]

I'M in the studio with us. This was not planned.

[E]

I'm kind of excited.

[A]

That's great. This is random, right?

[B]

This is random. I do a random generator out of a million. Out of millions.

[A]

Millions of people.

[B]

Millions of people that send in questions. And today's question just so happens to be yours. And you're in the studio.

[C]

I am. And that's not quite true. It wasn't totally random. I did text you guys before and ask you if I could read the question because I have to apologize to you, Lily. And I wanted to get it out of the way while I had the mic. I thought this would be a good time. This is hard for me to say, but on the last episode, I was watching it back, and I felt really bad that we messed with you so hard. I love messing with people. It's one of my probably top seven favorite things to do in the world, but not when they're my friends. And I got carried away and we shouldn't have messed with you like that. So.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I just want to take this time to say I'm sorry, Lily, before I ask the question.

[D]

Thank you, Jake.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Reconciliation.

[B]

That's actually pretty nice, your apology.

[C]

Than. I'm good. Thank you.

[D]

I'm scared, though. I don't know what's happening.

[A]

Don't be scared. He's trying to be nice.

[D]

That's so nice.

[A]

He's trying to be nice.

[B]

He really did come up with a question. I don't even have the question, so.

[A]

So, Jake.

[B]

It was all planned. Jake has a question.

[A]

All right, you have the floor ready for it? Ready?

[B]

Today's question sent in by Jake, who is sitting on the couch.

[C]

Is jumping good for you?

[D]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Is jumping good for you?

[A]

What would you say, Lil?

[D]

Why don't you guys go first?

[A]

I would say no.

[B]

No.

[A]

I mean, that's my gut. I mean, gut reaction. If she wants me to answer hers, I say no.

[B]

What do you say?

[C]

Jumper.

[B]

You say no.

[A]

I say no.

[B]

I don't. I'm kind of indifferent, maybe.

[D]

I think that jumping up and down, it's.

[A]

It's a yes or no. I did it. Just. Please just.

[D]

It's really good for your. Your bones.

[B]

Jump. So jumping is good for you.

[D]

Jumping up and down on the floor.

[B]

Jumping is good for you.

[A]

Jumping yes or no?

[B]

Lily, say no is good for you.

[A]

I'm saying no as well. I'm sticking to my answer.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

It's gotta be no.

[A]

And Lil says yes.

[B]

Lil says yes. We say no. Again, not planned. None of this was Planned? No.

[A]

How could it be? How possibly could it be?

[D]

You just said it was planned like two minutes ago.

[C]

Well, not.

[A]

We did not try to gaslight us now.

[E]

I never said that.

[B]

I would have never said that.

[D]

Roll a tape, Andrew.

[E]

I did. He's sitting right there.

[B]

There's no tape playing. These are all dslr. They record on Mercury Chip. What do you. Roll the tape.

[A]

We're not videotaping people.

[D]

Don't be mean. Get on with it.

[B]

I mean, Jay, correct me if I'm wrong, but jumping. Doesn't that stand for juveniles under manipulated programs?

[C]

Yes. In two episodes in a row, Lily admits to something terrible.

[B]

Lily, this is. You think that's good?

[C]

Blasphemy.

[D]

No.

[B]

You think that's good?

[D]

No.

[B]

For juveniles to be under a manipulated programs like MK Ultra. Or maybe being manipulated by social media.

[A]

She said it's good for their bones.

[B]

Oh, gosh. What?

[A]

I don't even know what that means. That's disgusting.

[B]

For their bones.

[A]

It's disgusting.

[B]

I don't.

[E]

She knows something.

[A]

Explain yourself. And I don't like it.

[E]

Come on.

[A]

Jumping in this up and down. It's gotta be a bunch.

[B]

These poor children. Poor kids. They're just being manipulated. Manipulated in these top secret programs.

[C]

I take back my apology.

[B]

And you should. You have every right to. Jake. You have every right.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

We're so sorry.

[E]

Layup of a question.

[B]

Well, I'm sorry, folks. I'm sorry. To Jake, our guest, or a guest of honor.

[A]

I'm so sorry we keep letting you down, Jake.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I'm sorry for my wife and platform and platforming her.

[B]

Golly. Well, I guess you guys heard here first. Lily, she's cool with kids being manipulated. No, she's cool with secret government programs where they take children and teach them to do stuff that they shouldn't.

[A]

In their bones.

[B]

In their bones. And she wants something with their. It's good for their bones. Ew, ew, ew, ew. Dad. Welcome to the show. Did I say ninja? I meant butterfly.

[C]

The butterfly is no doubt one of God's understanding.

[E]

Has to empty your mind.

[A]

You learn Martial arts attack. Good job, Jakey. Boom.

[B]

Dude. Dude. Classic.

[A]

Another one in the dust.

[B]

Another one in the dust.

[D]

Speaking of jumping, I don't know if this counts. I think it water has to be involved. But we did a lot of jumping yesterday.

[C]

In the water or just trampolines. Was there. Was it raining?

[D]

No.

[C]

Oh, that doesn't count.

[A]

There was a lot of sweat.

[C]

I guess depending on how much sweat it could be a JPD But I'll check on that after this. See the regulations on something like that.

[B]

It can't be a JPD because of the injuries involved.

[D]

I would say that we sustained minimal injuries.

[B]

I was actually pretty happy of the minimal amount of injuries.

[A]

What is. What. Name your injuries right now, please.

[B]

Okay, one. I thought I got a minor concussion at one point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because there's like that platform and like, I'm like, oh, if I jump back on my back, I can spring back up on the platform. Because you see those videos where those dudes do it, but it's like 50ft tall.

[E]

You have full confident.

[B]

Oh, yeah, just. And then I. My neck just went, what?

[E]

Go.

[B]

Instantly dizzy. Headache all day. Still have a headache.

[E]

You like, double bounced your head then.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Jeez.

[E]

It was worse.

[B]

And like, all these little kids are watching me do.

[A]

So humiliating.

[B]

It's like they're like, go, go, go. How high up was it? I mean, it was like four feet, if that.

[E]

I mean, it's a podcast. You could have lied.

[B]

It's like, I was there.

[A]

There was nothing.

[B]

50Ft.

[A]

And then you did the. You jumped out on the bar, on.

[B]

The monkey bars, and, like, my shoulder felt like it ripped out of place.

[E]

Did you fall off the bars?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Sounds fun.

[E]

I'm laughing at you. But I guarantee if I tried.

[B]

Where were we?

[E]

It was the. The Sunday cool party and I looked at the one, I was like, I know if I jump for that, I'm going to lose the bar and end up upside down.

[B]

Kelsey did it back and forth.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Kelsey is a beast. That. And now that's my new goal. Because Kelsey. I saw Kelsey do it with my own bear. I. She went forward and then backward.

[A]

Yeah, that. She's tough.

[D]

That's insane.

[A]

Yeah. She's been working out with a friend like twice a week now. And then, like, you could just tell that it's the confidence in her for sure that's changing because, like, she has that muscle. It's just like.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Got to know you have it.

[D]

Yeah. She told me you got to start lifting bars, Lily. That's what she said.

[E]

Gotta lift bars.

[B]

You started doing your push ups, right?

[C]

I did.

[B]

You stick with it?

[E]

What's that?

[C]

No, not at all.

[B]

That's a hard challenge.

[C]

It was. I did a video where I was. Well, pretty much. I'm what they call a fat. I'm one of the number one fathletes in the nation. I'm big, but I can compete in every sport, like any sport you want to play. I'm competitive. But I don't want to be a fat lead anymore. I've been fat all my life, overweight. And I'm like, I want to be jacked. So I'm like, I can't bring myself to go in the gym and just do things on my own. So I started thinking, getting creative and I was like, well, I love to fish. Probably fish three to seven times a week. What if between every cast I dropped down and did five push ups and it worked for the first time? And then how long did you fish? Five casts.

[E]

I was like, dang.

[C]

The duration of 25 push ups.

[E]

The incentive is you can keep fishing. If you keep doing push ups, then.

[C]

No, I didn't think as far as an incentive. I got you an idea. That didn't work.

[E]

Didn't pan out.

[C]

No.

[A]

Tell yourself you can't fish until you do 100 push ups.

[C]

100?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I've never done 100.

[A]

You just break them up.

[B]

You could break them up.

[C]

Yeah, I could do that. That's a better idea. But I'll probably do it throughout the day before I even go, right? Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's a better idea because especially if you're on a good bite, like imagine you hook up or you see a fish schooling, then you have to do five push ups. It's terrible, dude.

[A]

Yeah. Also you're gonna exhaust yourself, like, and you're not gonna want to fish anymore. You'll lose the passion for fishing because you're like, cuz I have to work out.

[C]

Somebody said that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's not fun.

[C]

Yeah. I'm going to find a different strategy. I went to a fitness class today that was a little bit more my speed. They just tell you what to do it. I did like a spin and weightlifting class. It was sick. You do like circuits of three, circuits of spinning on the bike. Which is not just a girl's exercise.

[D]

No, it's not.

[C]

Contrary to popular belief, you walk in.

[A]

The room and say that like, by the way, guys are allowed to do this too.

[C]

I did. I had to tell everyone. Just really telling myself.

[E]

What was the ratio in the class?

[C]

Nine girls to me.

[D]

That's awesome.

[B]

That is awesome.

[C]

I'm changing them. I'm breaking the mold.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

That's right.

[E]

We should all do one.

[C]

It's fun. We should. We should all do it. They're really fun. And you get jacked doing like the people in there are absolutely yoked.

[E]

Oh yeah. I filmed. I filmed a video for a girl who's an instructor and I was like, this is scary.

[D]

It's hardcore. Yeah.

[E]

What's her name?

[B]

Ashton.

[D]

Ashton Kimro. Yeah. It could turn into a cult, though, too. Can it?

[E]

Those spring classes, that's any workout group.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

MMA Cross. CrossFit's probably the worst.

[D]

Oh, yeah, Big time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

What?

[A]

Whoa. What's wrong, Josh?

[B]

Nothing.

[E]

Don't worry about it.

[A]

Are you kidding me, man? Come on, tell me.

[B]

I just found out that my dog is leaving me. All my money's. Got it.

[E]

I just can't handle the workplace anymore. Mentally.

[A]

That's a lot.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

You know, I don't have time for that. Too busy with work.

[A]

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[B]

I don't know, man. It can't be that easy.

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[B]

This is. That's great news. That's great news.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, they sure are.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, but they probably offer a discount to our listeners, too, huh?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Okay, I'll do it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Okay. I'm starting my own cult at the CF Fitness.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Of all these guys that watch the podcast that come up to me and talk about conspiracies. And so, like, every. Every time I go in there now, they're like, so did you tell. Like, can you tell me more about. And I just gather them just in.

[A]

The corner by the dumbbells, like, Josh.

[E]

While they're listening, everybody's bouncing medicine balls, just listening.

[B]

Yeah, but it helps out because it's like, the gym is so intimidating because there's just really strong people there. And these dudes that love the podcast are the strongest people in the gym, I know I have strong ideas about.

[E]

You or the mentality of a person who needs a leader.

[A]

Does that make you feel good? Confident that, like, you're like, they look to you for it?

[B]

Does they? Probably don't look to me. They're probably just like, this guy's fun. Can't talk to anyone else about this because he'd be singled out. And whatever.

[D]

I tried at my Thanksgiving dinner and everybody shot it down.

[C]

Yeah, you should trade them conspiracy theory stories for workouts. Like, be like. They'll be like, hey, what about this that you talked about? Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe. Let's do 30 push ups together first. And then I'll tell you.

[B]

The first guy I met, I was doing the, like, a dumbbell bench press, and it was just way too much weight. I was like on rep number four, my arms are going. And he comes over, he's like, help me out. I'm like, thanks, man. He's like, yeah, of course. He's like, so tell me about, like, 9 11.

[A]

You're like, cool, I'll do that. But as long as you show me how to do. Get those triceps.

[B]

Yeah. Anyways, I can't.

[E]

I can't work out at, like, gyms with people. Everyone who would take me to go with them does too much time in the gym. I went and worked out with Josh France, and literally he was like, like, obviously I'm not that guy. And the amount of weight he took off, assuming I could do the set. And then I went. I was like, just sat there. I was like, maybe just down to the bar.

[B]

Yeah, we'll go there.

[E]

It's like, I'm done. I'm not coming back here.

[C]

You gotta start somewhere.

[E]

Yeah. Not there.

[B]

It gets fun, though, once you get into it.

[A]

Yeah. Once you know what you're doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the toughest thing, I think when people go to the gym, they're just like. They have just no idea what to do.

[D]

Yeah, definitely.

[A]

And that's intimidating.

[B]

The hardest part is eating. They say you can't out. You can't work out enough to, like, get in shape. You have to change your diet.

[D]

Yeah, no, thank you.

[A]

Steve Jobs even said, I mean, look how his life ended up. But he said, eat your food like medicine or you'll be eating your medicine like food when you get older.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

It's like, that's so true. I'm having frozen pizzas tonight.

[D]

Jake, I challenge you. You should do a hot yoga class.

[C]

I've done it. I love it.

[D]

Bikram. Yoga.

[A]

Oh, really?

[C]

Well, not Bikram, but is that a place or a style?

[D]

A style.

[C]

I've never heard of that. I've done, like, mildly warm yoga.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I love it.

[D]

It's crazy.

[C]

I hate it. I actually hate it. I walk in the first five, 10 minutes, I'm like, God, I want to leave. This is horrible.

[D]

You're, like, mad, right? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Like, why did I do this to myself? But at the end of it, I always feel amazing and so happy I went. But it's really difficult. All these things that are really hard in the moment. You feel so glad you did it after. Like, I would have never worked out on my own today and I would have never pushed myself as hard as I did if I didn't just go to this class and be around like six other people or a bunch of other people who are.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Doing it as well.

[D]

Yeah. You're like me. I like to, like, feed off of other people's energies in a workout. I love classes, but doing it on my own, I'm, like, lost.

[C]

Same. I don't know what to do.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm making a Fat Fleet series right now. I partnered with a gym in town.

[D]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Cool.

[C]

Like, I'm a fathlete recovering. I don't want to be one anymore. So I'm going to get in shape. Here's three ways to do it. Classes, personal training, or like, free workout on your own. And they offer all those services. So it's like a perfectly good, mutually beneficial relationship.

[D]

That's amazing. Very cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What is the gym?

[C]

It's called Sweat. It's in College park in Orlando. It's sick. They do like these crazy spin class. It's like a whoop your butt class.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Well done.

[A]

What is hot yoga? Is that just like in like, yoga in a sauna or something?

[D]

Like, turn the heat up? Oh, yeah. In the room. Yeah.

[A]

So you're just sweating and stretching.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Did you sweat? And the ones I've been to are like, I've been to a workout hot yoga class too, with weights.

[D]

Oh, my gosh.

[E]

Fast.

[C]

It's insane, but it's awesome.

[D]

Whoa.

[A]

See, I want to. Yeah, I want to get really. That's the thing. I don't like working out with people, but I'm competitive and so it's like, if we could do an activity that's enough. Like, pickleball, dude.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah. I agree. Doing a sport, something where you can, like, be doing something just fires me up.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Dude, the corn has been on it. For me, I did all five bags by myself the other day, and it was miles. I felt great.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

But it's, like, every weekend, so it's not really consistent enough to do anything.

[A]

You need to make, like, a homemade backpack.

[E]

I know.

[A]

That'd be cool.

[B]

Speaking of corn and deer.

[A]

Don't say it.

[B]

We want to hear your skinwalker story.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

That was my plan to get back on. I was like, I'll save my best story for after the podcast. They invite me back on.

[B]

Heck, yeah.

[C]

Okay. So two summers ago, I went to a tiny little mountain town in Colorado, four hours from anywhere. It's in a valley. There's only three streets, and it's just. It's beautiful, but it's kind of creepy. And my friend who I went with, his family's lived there forever, and his family tree is huge, and they have crazy stuff that happened to them. And there's a guy named Joe. Let me read this. He lives in the San Luis Valley in Alamosa. I wrote that down, so I don't forget. He told me. It's like, you guys probably know there's a ton of, like, conspiracy theories and alien stuff that happens there, and it's just, like, always crazy stuff happening there. And he has the scariest skinwalker story ever that I was told. He's in this town in Colorado, in the middle of nowhere, driving at night. And when you're out there, there's like, is it elk or. I think there's elk or some sort of big, like, deer animal everywhere. So you have to drive with your brights on and kind of drive slow or else you'll just run into one and kind of kill everyone in the car.

[A]

Yeah, if you do, they're massive, huge.

[C]

And they're just in the road. So they're driving middle of the night, pitch black, no light pollution, nothing. And they see a deer in the road, and they slow down and it doesn't move, which is a little bit odd, but not that odd. When they pass by it, they kind of look at the face and it looks peculiar.

[E]

They're like.

[C]

Did a double take. Like, what the heck? That looked odd. There's a deer, but it looked odd. They keep driving. They're driving, like, 30. And he looks in the rear view mirror, and the deer still didn't move. And it's turning, like, towards his car and following their car.

[D]

Oh, no.

[C]

He speeds up a little bit, and the deer is running faster now, like 30, 40 miles an hour. Following behind their car. Yes. And eventually the deer gets up He. He said this, and he swears it's true. And it's been corroborated by multiple family members. It's true. It gets up on his hind legs, the deer, and they're going, like, 70 now. And it runs all the way up to his, like, window right here. He's driving. And it runs over to the window, and it's banging on the door. And it has, like, a human face. Deer on his hind legs with a human face running 80 next to them in the middle of the night in Colorado, nowhere town. And they just. They said they sped up to, like. I don't know what they sped up to, but they sped up enough to where it couldn't keep up anymore. But the next morning, like, the car is, like, torn up. And there's witnesses that, like, the car, the wind, the. The window is just, like, completely wrecked. There's scratches and, like, dents all over the driver's side door. And they said it was just the scariest thing. And my friend told me that story while we're out in the middle of nowhere on a ranch, fishing, and I'm like, is he about to kill me? Dude, this terrible time. I told you guys, I'm already, like, scared about things in general, and it was not fun, but it's so scary. He likes. He. I. I called the guy and talked to him. Joe.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And he told it to me, too. And it, like, he believes it without a doubt. Like, it's true.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Like, why make that up, too? Like, that's. That's one of my things. When you hear crazy stories like that, like, what's the benefit to lying about that? Also, like, how do you. I mean, I can imagine they're, like, showing the car later. It's like, how do you explain the scratches, the dents and all that? And the window crack?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

What now I'm trying to remember wasn't, like, the theory that, like, people who didn't believe the story, they're like, oh, you're just trying to come up with some reason that maybe you had too many or something dumb like that and you scratched up the car. But why would you say a skin walker, you know, like, come up, like, a de is a problem in the area? Like, that's the. That's what you say. I hit it here.

[C]

You don't have to go that far.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

So got to make sure they really believe it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Did they ever look into, like, what native groups were around there in the Colorado?

[C]

I Don't know if they looked into those, but they told me that it was the.

[E]

What's the town again?

[A]

St. Louis Valley.

[C]

No, it's. I don't want to say the town now.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It's like a. I don't want to say it, but it's the guy.

[E]

Type it in, and I'll do research and say without the name while you're continuing to.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

That is so spooky.

[B]

That is so scary. But it lines up so much with, like, the cryptid stuff of, like, how fast they are and, like, how they chase people.

[D]

So, like. Yeah. And, like, with skinwalker lore, do these things just, like, walk around terrorizing people or are they, like, assigned a person?

[B]

I think it just depends on what the motive is. I think a lot of it is. I. I know, like, a lot of the skinwalker story stuff is that they transform in order to terrorize a person, a single person that they're, like, out to get. But I got some stories of just. I. Because I like, I know you had a skinwalker story, so I'm like, how many cultures on Earth have different skinwalker stories? Turns out every culture on Earth has skinwalkers.

[C]

Really?

[B]

A type of skinwalker? Yeah. They go by different names.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But looking into Norse skinwalkers, like, Viking skinwalkers.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're called Bear Seekers. Bear Seekers. And they were an elite shock troops in Norse culture, often serving kinds or. Sorry, serving kings and chieftains. They fought without armor, and they typically had a bear hide or a wolf hide on them. And the legend goes that these dudes, before battle, would do, like, a ritual or something with, like, the hides on them, and they'd go into battle and, like, have they said that they would be, like, foaming at the mouth, have supernatural strength, and oftentimes people reported them actually turning into the physical animal. But they said that they would, like, receive, like, wounds and stuff. Like mortal or mortal wounds. Yeah, that would kill them, but they would just keep on going and so that they were just absolutely crazy dudes, and they would just destroy these people. And at the end, they would, like, be exhausted. It's like the. Whatever was possessing them would leave.

[D]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah, but scary is the right word.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mostly horrifying. Yeah. Traumatizing.

[C]

Wait, so would it go back to, like, a human, or would it leave the human's body or saying.

[B]

Yeah, whatever possessed them to act like the animal or even potentially turn into an animal at the end of the battle would leave them, and they would, like, go back to normal.

[C]

Would they Be dead though. She said they would have died.

[B]

No, because like what? I don't know, they would just live.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Creepy. Yeah, but they said that. So when they did this thing there, they would start shaking, foaming at the mouth, howling like animals. They felt no pain, had superhuman strength, could shrug off wounds that would usually kill a man. And after the rage ended, they often collapsed from exhaustion.

[A]

Gosh, imagine the adrenaline rush from all that. I know, exhaustion, yeah, that's so scary.

[B]

But yeah. And so there's, I got a couple like little stories of like scenarios like that. So there's this guy, this was, I don't even know what year it was, long time ago in Viking culture. And I wrote down the pronunciations because these Morse names are impossible.

[D]

Yeah, probably.

[B]

But this guy, his name is Ego. Ego Skull Ar Grissom.

[D]

Hey, good job, Ego.

[B]

But we'll just call him Eagles but let go. So he was a 12 year old boy at this, at the time in Norway. And this guy named Leoit, right. Who was a bear seeker, challenged his family to a duel. And little, what's his face? Agil said I'm gonna fight him. And all of a sudden he started like, like getting all like weird and like foaming at the mouth. And this guy who was a Viking, a full grown Viking, a bear seeker, one of the crazy dudes, this 12 year old ego, somehow got this possession of a bear seeker and then defeated him. They said it, he literally tore him to shreds. And it gets graphic. He took his ax. They said he buried it so far into his head that it got stuck. A 12 year old boy.

[A]

Oh my goodness.

[B]

Yeah. And they say that his grandfather was a well known bear seeker called the, the Evening Wolf. And so the theory is that he passed down this skin walking bear seeker ability to his grandson. Or like it was like a lineage thing.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

To me it just sounds like a demon possession I was gonna say.

[D]

What do you think?

[A]

Yeah, like a family curse almost.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But lady dude. Yeah.

[E]

Ego imagine or even, even a knowledge how to pass that on and how to acquire that.

[A]

Yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure Ada might be a bear seeker.

[D]

Dude, watch it.

[A]

No, she's, she's, she, she's like foaming at the mouth sometimes. Something wrong.

[B]

There's this other story of this guy named another Viking dude. Both far and both far. Bearkney. That was pretty good.

[A]

Very good name.

[B]

Both are biakni, scary name. But they said that in battles he would go like catatonic in the camp. Like he would Just like, like almost in a trance. And every time he did that, a bear would appear in the actual battle killing the enemy. And then when they said they would wake him up, the bear would vanish.

[D]

Oh that's.

[A]

So how do you be in different place, different places?

[B]

He would like almost possess the bear.

[A]

Oh my gosh.

[B]

And so like he would never fight the actual battles. He just lay in camp and then like whatever he did possessed a bear supposedly.

[D]

So interesting.

[B]

Would go into these battles and kill people.

[C]

That's awesome.

[B]

That's very pretty cool.

[A]

Power be an awesome movie. So go ahead.

[C]

Aren't there like American and or Russian conspiracy theories about people being able to do that, like from the Cold War days, being able to like access another place from this body or thing?

[B]

That's like the remote viewers and stuff.

[C]

Yeah. Like they could see something across the world or. Yeah, I can tell you exactly what it was.

[A]

I mean the CIA government has done that. Like they've on paper Stargate. Yeah, they've done that. Like that's something like a huge program that they've actually put a lot of money and effort into.

[D]

If you want to get gooseies, there's Sean Ryan, interviewed one of the remote viewers from the Stargate project. And I like, we've talked about the show a few times but like I like totally trips me out when I watch it. But he asks her, have you ever tried to go back and view an event like the crucifixion, like Jesus on the cross? And she, radio silent, stops talking to him. She's looking like this all around the room. And he's like, I can't ask you that question. She's like. And then move on. She could not speak because it's demonic.

[C]

I did give me a goosebumps. Why is that demonic?

[D]

Well, I just.

[C]

The whole thing.

[D]

Well, the whole, the whole practice of.

[C]

It is how do you do it? Do they ever give like a tutorial?

[E]

No.

[B]

Well they, they. There's. We did look at that one document one time where it was like how you can get into the astral planing realm. It's like all these different techniques that you do. And it was at 55515.

[A]

Yeah. The healing frequent like healing code.

[B]

Yeah. And like just like really weird. It was like literally a manual for like the beginner stages of like astral planing and doing the whole remote viewing.

[A]

I mean they've done a lot of intel on it. Like it's just like a lot of study and a lot of research on it and it's just it's wacky that we just don't see. That's a huge spiritual, other dimensional type of thing that we're not used to on our everyday basis. But yet they were practicing it. They probably still are. And it's like this is like. It feels like we're being gaslit by our own government because it's like that that's not possible. And that's, that's a good movie stuff.

[E]

That's a good distinction though. The difference between spiritual and scriptural, like be. Just because something is possible via the spiritual. Like if it's not scriptural, that would be why she couldn't or wouldn't go there. Because the spiritual being that granted her that ability was like, we don't go to the place of our defeat. So.

[C]

Wow.

[E]

Yeah, that's what I think.

[B]

Super weird.

[C]

I have a friend who, he told me he would meditate a lot and he meditated with maybe that certain frequency you're talking about. He did it with like headphones on, with a certain frequency or beat on. And maybe this is what you're talking about. But he said he went. It's like a different place and it could see. It could actually went to like a different place and he could see like the earth and space and different things. Like I think that's what you're talking about. But he did it himself and he is very like, he said, he said he did it.

[B]

What did he say about it? Was it like cool or was it freaky or was it what?

[C]

He said it was cool. He said he's never been able to do it again. It was a one time thing that he hasn't been able to replicate and it was really hard. It sounds like he had maybe practiced to do that. I'm not sure. But yeah, I think he said he could like kind of see the earth and different things from above. Like from outer space. I might be mixing.

[B]

That's what a lot of people do say. Yeah.

[C]

Like that. But he went, he went somewhere else and he could see other things in real time that weren't where his physical body was.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow, that's so interesting.

[B]

So I think that's just a. I think it's just a dangerous thing. It's like opening your mind to the unseen realm, you know, you don't know what's in that realm.

[A]

Yeah, that's the problem is that like it, it sounds interesting on paper. It's like, oh, that's so cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why wouldn't you want to do that? But then yeah, once you start Realizing, like, the other truths that surround everything like that. It's like, well, maybe it's not worth it. Yeah, it's not worth dabbling into.

[D]

You have to ask yourself the question too, though. What were our minds capable of before sin entered the world? You know, like, what. What about our physiology changed at that time? You know, were we capable of that once upon a time. And it. And it was righteous. Did your friend say the Earth was flat? No, just kidding. I'm not a flat either.

[C]

No, you did not. But I have a pilot friend who said it's without a doubt not flat. I believe him more.

[B]

Yeah, dude, skinwalkers, they're everywhere. Like, every culture. I was looking like the. We've all heard of these, but, like, the story of them is actually terrifying. The selkies.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Like, from Ireland and Scotland. But they were literal. They called them seal people who shed their skins to become human. If you stole their skin, you controlled them, really. But it's all. It's always the animal hide skin that these people put on to part of this transformation.

[E]

I mean, demon. Biblically, demons possess animals. Like, they went in the pigs. Like, what did the pig look like running down the hill? Yeah, you know, I don't imagine it looked like a happy pig. Yeah, like, whatever that looks like.

[B]

Well, it talks about in, like, the Book of Enoch too, of like, the watchers, they literally messed with animals and they taught forbidden knowledge, basically. So it makes you wonder, is part of that, like a. Like a witchcrafty kind of thing? Like they taught to become an animal?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, even if it's just like a. Like a deceptive thing.

[E]

Right.

[B]

It's like they're not actual animal, but everyone perceives them as that animal.

[E]

What's. And I'm not. I'm not advocating for Rings of Power as the greatest expression of Tolkien's work, but, you know, there's that scene in the new show, you remember, where they, like, go to the edges of the world and they find that, like, ice castle layer.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

And the. They were like, what manner of evil did this? And it's like they were literally, according to Tolkien, in his work, which I believe is not completely fiction. They were taking, like, Elvish creatures and, like, creating goblins and like, mixing all the stuff. So Tolkien rarely did something just out of nothing. Yeah, I think. I think it's the same thing. Using evil to manipulate genomes and create hybrid beasts. Yeah, I think it. I think it existed in some capacity more than people are typically willing to accept. For sure.

[B]

Yeah. Well, there's Even the story we've talked about before, but in. What is it? Second Kings talks about Nebuchadnezzar, how it said. Yeah, yeah, coming. The beast of the field, it said that his hair grew out coarse and his nails turned to claws, walked on all fours and that he drank the dew of the earth in the morning. And, like, he was literally in the wilderness, like, sounded like a werewolf. So.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's not a far stretch. And also, you have the sim. I know it means something else, but it's like the wolf in sheep's clothing. It's like, who knows?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, interesting.

[D]

Well, you're saying you think it's a metaphor.

[A]

No, I'm saying it. I mean, it obviously is a metaphor for, like, you know, like, what we commonly use it for. But now I'm just like, yeah, in a different light.

[E]

What type of clothes did John the Baptist wear?

[B]

Camel hair, dude.

[E]

That's how he lived in the desert.

[A]

I was like, john? Wait, John the Baptist was a camel?

[E]

It's a joke.

[B]

No.

[E]

It'S a joke.

[C]

That was good.

[B]

Thanks. Have you seen the Northman? That movie? The Northman?

[C]

I've never seen anything.

[A]

That's all right.

[B]

It's amazing. But there is the scene with the guys dressed in the wolves pelts or whatever. They're that type of bear seeker they're called. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[E]

I'm bringing that into my book.

[A]

I know that.

[B]

But it says that they were Odin's elite. Odin being the God.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And it said that there are warriors fought wearing wolf skin instead of armor. Said to move and fight like wolves howling in packs, shrugging off blades and fire. And the legends say that enemies claim they would literally shape shift into wolves mid battle. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, just imagine seeing that for the first time. Being a villager and then they just bust through the gates, and then you're like, oh, great, we're going to die by some Vikings. And then they turn into wolves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's so scary.

[B]

It's like, that's scary enough. But if you see a man turn into a wolf right in front of you.

[E]

Dude, if I see a man winning and he howls, that's enough.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I always howl when I fight.

[E]

And, dude, the flex to not wear armor, to just be wearing a pelt, like, reminds me, I think it was a Vietnam War guy. He was like. He was known for, like, just being insane and, like, winning and stuff. But he painted. They had enemy snipers that couldn't hit him, so he painted A target on his helmet and like literally made it back. But it was like a mockery of how. How elite he was compared to that.

[A]

Was Forrest Gump, Vietnam War.

[E]

What if it was that? That actually wasn't an actual story. But I'm just like subtly referencing. You're like, guys watch a movie.

[A]

Andrew, we should became the greatest ping pong player.

[B]

What if we just started putting furries on the front line?

[A]

Dude, I'm telling you, they probably would commit.

[B]

They would probably just turn into the real animals.

[A]

I mean it's a risk I'm willing to take.

[B]

You know like furries.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I do know furries.

[A]

Right? Pull up, clip.

[D]

Stop.

[B]

We need furries fighting our battle, please.

[A]

Yeah, you know that that's that Shane Gillis joke is that he came out, there was this like big commander in the army and he retired and he came out. No, and he didn't retire. He came like out on his social media, like outside of his army stuff that he was a furry. And it's like. And everyone like all the other like countries were like mocking America. And he's like, who are you more afraid of? Like this, like this. This guy is. That's how he acts in his daytime is like. And he has a gun. He's like. This guy's afraid of anything.

[B]

Guy literally thinks he's a wolf. Yes.

[E]

Like, what do you like?

[A]

I'm terrified of.

[B]

That is scary. So scary. Yeah, the wolf. Half an hour.

[A]

I just. I mean I'm picturing that just especially like what we watched the Northman this morning. Just.

[D]

You watched it this morning?

[A]

I mean we just had it rolling.

[D]

I'm about.

[B]

Just.

[D]

So you are about ready for a rerun?

[B]

It's not for the faint of heart. No, it's very.

[D]

It's dark and like really? But it's like pretty awesome.

[C]

Gladiator.

[B]

No, it's like if three like a.

[A]

Gothic gladiator, like a 24 did it.

[D]

The guy not a 24. The guy that's done a 24 projects did it.

[E]

Yeah, it's got touches of 300 in it too. Like over dramatized stuff. I mean.

[A]

Yeah, but it pushes you in and immerses you into like that viking culture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the witches and stuff and like their ancient rituals and things like that. And the fight, but just the fighting and the storyline is so good. It's all about. It's all about vengeance. Dude, it's so good.

[C]

I'll watch it.

[A]

I am your vengeance.

[D]

What is your heritage, Jake?

[B]

We were actually just talking about that before we started rolling.

[D]

Oh, really?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. There. I'm Irish. I'm part Irish. There's a school in Ireland called the Hutchison School of Grammar.

[D]

Cool.

[C]

Which is pretty cool. We learned that at a restaurant from an Irish waiter.

[A]

Was that before or after you learned about your vocab? Like, you started your vocabulary journey that.

[C]

One day, right around the same time, actually.

[A]

That's so cool.

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

Continue to hear.

[C]

Yeah. We're in, like, a super dark restaurant. We meet this super Irish guy. My aunt just, like, is talking his ear off, and he tells us that we have a school in Ireland, back where he's from.

[D]

That is so cool.

[C]

Yeah, I'm that. And then Czechoslovakian. I don't know what they call it now to Czech Republic, but from that region or there.

[D]

Very cool.

[C]

Czechoslovakian.

[D]

I mean, that's where you get your height. I don't think Irish people are typically as tall as you.

[C]

Really?

[D]

I would venture to say they're little people.

[E]

Four inches taller than Hooper.

[A]

Leprechauns. I mean, obviously.

[B]

Yeah. Looking for a pot of gold.

[C]

Forgot about that. I'm not super intelligent. Irish heritage.

[D]

You need to go. You need to do your pilgrimage.

[C]

That'd be cool. I might do that. I'd rather go to Czech Republic.

[D]

Yeah, probably.

[C]

I'm also Native American to part Native American. So I can't grow a beard.

[B]

Oh, skinwalkers. Am I right?

[A]

Dude, I could do it all day.

[B]

I. But I did look up. Each continent has their own, like, so Africa, they have the leopard men, and then they have hyena men in Ethiopia, which their stories are men that literally turn into hyenas at night, and it's tied to witchcraft.

[D]

Imagine them laughing at you.

[B]

So scary.

[A]

I don't have any doubts about this.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

I wonder. I wonder if it, like, because, you know, they all have the. The hide of the animal they turn into. But, like, what if. Like, what if it had absolutely nothing to do with ritual with the animal, but was just literally, like, touching physical fur? You're like, I'm just picturing, like, a wolf pack skinwalker's going out to do something, and one of the dudes grabs the wrong pelt. Everyone's, like, turning it.

[B]

The dachshund together.

[E]

There's like, a squirrel.

[B]

It's like, dude.

[A]

The scroll would actually be really good for the battlefield, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, imagine, like, how irritating it would be to feel, like, just crawling people. Yeah. Just your legs biting and it's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dropping your sword, dude.

[C]

By your ankles and your.

[A]

Yeah, it's actually not a bad strategy if you have some. You know, it's a good sidekick.

[B]

But China and Japan both have a similar skinwalker type thing, except it's a fox that turns and shapeshifts into a human. And it's often a trickster. Seduced or seducer.

[A]

Seduced.

[B]

Her seducer.

[E]

What's it called?

[B]

It's called the kits. Kitsune. And then in China it's called the huli Jing. Hooliging panda Bono.

[A]

Holy jing is whatever I say whenever I stub my toe.

[B]

Dumb.

[A]

But we got skinwalkers with every culture. We got dragons and we got star people, dude.

[D]

And giants.

[A]

And giants. How do all these people come up with the exact same story when they have no contact with one another for hundreds of years?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It can't explain that.

[B]

Can't.

[A]

It's so weird, man.

[B]

I think it's forbidden knowledge.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's just like. Like the rumors when your. Your brother lived in Africa. Like the witch that would turn. It was a snake.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So there's African witchcraft is like so real.

[B]

Yeah. I think it was actually in the Congo. Like one of his friends there talked about. There's this forest and it was known for all the witch doctors to go into this forest. So, like, if you weren't a witch doctor, you didn't go into this forest. But apparently this guy witnessed a literal witch doctor walking to the edge of the forest and then turning into a snake and going into the forest. Whoa. And it's like, that's cool.

[A]

It's bad, Jake. Scary. It's bad.

[C]

Why? That's pretty cool, dude. I'm just thinking. My dad always says if he could be anything, it could be a pelican. I wonder if I could contact some of those African fellows and see how he can turn himself into a pelican for a couple days. Why a pelican just like flying over the ocean, diving on schools of fish. Think about that when you're at the beach and you see flocks of pelicans flying. They're just majestic, dude.

[A]

When they're diving too, in the ocean. Cool stinking thing.

[D]

Why not turn into a fish?

[C]

Gotta be the predator. Lily can't be the prey, dude.

[E]

Speaking of hidden knowledge, I have a story about an intentional cover up of the. How do you think you say that? Top left.

[A]

Hoi jing.

[C]

Dolmen of Guadalupe.

[E]

Nailed it. The dolmen of Guadalupe. You know, it's a Spanish Stonehenge. Literally. This is a crazy thing. I was kind of struggling for what I was going to talk about because I've been remodeling my bathroom all weekend and found this this morning. And it turns out it's actually crazy. So there's this dude in 1926, Hugo Obermeyer. I'm pretending I'm saying that. Right. But anyways, he uncovered this stone mound in Spain on the edge of a river because the river dried up. And three years ago it dried up again and they were able to start like studying it even further. But check out this photo. You see that? Well, do you see how this thing is, like, actually looks like a Stonehenge in the middle?

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

So those stones are around 2 meters tall and they align with solar events.

[D]

Wow.

[E]

And so literally it, it's. They don't know. They date it to 5,000 years old. And you see how there's like an entrance.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

When you first go into this entrance, there's one stone that sits at the mouth and it has a serpent carved or marked in the front of it. And on the back side, they believe it's a human. Modern interpretations, which is long after this stuff was first discovered. They say, well, that's actually the river. But the guy who did all the study and actually has published works on like ancient, like cave drawings and stone work, he's the one who's like, no, this is a serpent. But anyway, so that's in 1926, they discover it and then there's a dictator, I believe it's in the 60s, who's in charge of Spain. Forgive me if that date's wrong. And there's a great, great guy in charge of Spain back then. But whoever was, at whatever time period, years later, is a dictator, is a big advocate for Catholicism and is actually known for like making intentional actions against anything that was pagan or a cult and wanted to like completely remove any history. And the problem with that, like, I'm not saying we should elevate paganism.

[B]

Yeah. But you want to. There's ancient discoveries made with that stuff.

[E]

Right. And so in 26, the first guy who discover it, he. What he found was a grant, I believe was granite, a mound.

[B]

It.

[E]

He found a mound where the lake. It was. It was dried up right on the edge. And he removed stone after stone after stone. And as he moved them out, he documented each thing, like, well documented. Finds the stones, and then they come in and then he says, we need to advance the technological. What is it called? Like, electricity from water. It's like hydro electric, something power. So he builds a dam up the road and intentionally floods that entire plane so you can't get to it.

[B]

So even today it's still flooded.

[E]

Three years ago it dried up.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

It's been refilled.

[B]

Dang.

[E]

And so they, every time it dries up, they try to study or. Yeah, every time it dries up, they try to study it again. But the excuse, they say, we're just trying to build society up so that we can advance.

[B]

So there's like little information on this then. Right.

[E]

Because they can't research it unless it pops up and it's like, oh, it's dry. We need to like legislation. Let us, you know, like, let us preserve this. And then, oh, it fills up again. So they can't study it, but it lines up. Was it the equinox? Equinox, yeah, or whatever. And it, it mirrors other monolithic sites that have like burial and like afterlife significance. And one of the articles, Gobekli Tepe, is mentioned, but literally the guy was a Catholic advocate and buried was known for like anything pagan. Get rid of it. And so it makes sense that he would intentionally position the dam to flood that out.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Do they have no idea what civilization or like when it was first created.

[E]

Anything for I saw the General consensus is 5000 BC, but 4000 to 7000 is kind of the range that you see. Bronze era. They don't know the original creator, years of it for sure.

[A]

That's so strange.

[E]

But they, they do believe it to be similar to the other monolithic sites you see around Europe.

[D]

Wow, that's cool.

[B]

Yeah. It says this one says uncovered a 7,000 year old megalithic monument, making it 2,000 years older than the pyramids and Stonehenge. But we all know the pyramids are way older than. Right, we think.

[E]

Right.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

We all know that. That's just common knowledge at this point.

[A]

3.5 billion years old.

[B]

Mr. Beast knows.

[A]

Yes, he does.

[B]

Speaking of what Mr. Beast knows, did you. Okay, so we just did this video. We need to go to commercial because I got a pee.

[E]

But same.

[B]

He just, he did this whole thing of like underground nuclear bunkers, like the $1 to 5 billion dollar. He went to the bunker that we've talked about when we were talking about the Denver airport.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

You know that, that one that's in Colorado, in the mountain. He got access to it.

[D]

What is this guy into?

[B]

He is. He's an asset at this point.

[A]

I think he is. I think they're literally saying we want to just debunk all of these other theories. And it's like, who else better who's more influential besides Caleb. Aaron.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Then Mr. Beast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's crazy to me.

[B]

I mean, he wasn't allowed to film a lot. Like, they kept on saying, okay, you can't film this part because it's literally. I mean. But, dude, the stuff that they do.

[A]

How do you get that clearance?

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Or who do you contact? They have to be contacting him.

[B]

Like.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

If you want to be, like, all secretive and stuff with this thing of, like, he's the number one YouTuber on Earth, and they're like, yeah, you get full access.

[A]

What did he say about the bunker? Did they say anything about, like. Like. I mean, like.

[B]

I mean, it's a command center. It's. It's meant for. It's, like, buried. I don't even know how far, they said into the mountain, but they said you could literally drop the most powerful nuke on top of it and it would not destroy it.

[A]

Golly. You know, they have more to.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Gotta have more.

[B]

They have a subway in there.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah. Really?

[C]

This?

[B]

Yeah, it's huge.

[A]

Wait, I thought you meant, like, an actual subway. Like a. Like a train?

[B]

No, like a subway restaurant.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

Imagine being a subway worker and you just have to go into this underground bunker every day.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What's comforting to know is that if our entire species suffers nuclear winter, Subway will live on.

[E]

Subway will be there.

[A]

I think that's interesting. They chose Subway. That's weird to me. That subway hasn't gone out of business.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, funded by the government.

[D]

It has to be.

[A]

I'm saying I'm, like, legitimately serious.

[B]

What if they are?

[A]

They're only in gas stations now.

[B]

What if they are Literally just keeping them afloat just because that's a restaurant in this bunker.

[A]

Yeah. We can't get rid of it.

[B]

Like, they're funding Subway. Yeah.

[A]

And then the whole Jared folk. They probably did that, like, 30 years ago. And then Jared Fogle messed up. They're like, dang it. Jared figure this out?

[B]

Or maybe he found out something about the bunker and they blackmailed him.

[A]

Release Jared Fogel. No, we're not doing that.

[B]

We take that back.

[A]

Yeah, we do.

[B]

Speaking about releasing Jerry, though, I have a fun story. Oh, cool. What is it?

[A]

It's.

[B]

Tell us right after this. We got it. I don't go anywhere. Did you? Yeah.

[A]

What. What was. What was that?

[B]

D. Now, did you know we have.

[A]

New customizable templates on sundaycool.com?

[B]

Wow. That's fantastic. What are they all about Andy.

[A]

Listen, we've. We know people are throwing events like D Nows. You know, they're having overnighters. They're having all this stuff. And listen, we've got new templates on Sunday cool.com from our amazing art team here at Sunday Cool. We got templates that you can customize fully that are for basically themed for fall. They're perfect. And also for Dean House and literally every other event you could possibly think of. And even seasons.

[B]

And even seasons. Andy now did it. Did. Did you know that you should go to Sunday Cool.

[A]

How'd you do that beatbox?

[B]

I learned from the best. Who's the best build Beatbox?

[A]

Bill Bebop. Is that. That's why they name it Beatbox?

[B]

Yeah. Bill Beatbox. He is the founder of beatboxing.

[A]

Whatever happened to Bill Died. How?

[B]

Got locked inside a box.

[A]

Couldn't beat that box. Goody.

[B]

No, that's not funny.

[A]

Just making a joke. Okay. I was just making light of this.

[B]

I know, but just don't make light of anything. Bill meant a lot to the community of beatboxers.

[A]

I didn't know. I'm sorry. I just found out, obviously, about him, so I didn't know.

[B]

At least he went the way he wanted to go. Getting literally beat inside of a box.

[A]

I couldn't hold it. Couldn't hold it. I'm sorry, Bill. RIP Bill. Sundaycool.com. this is for you, Bill. Hey. You were episode 150, and now you're episode 160.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's cool. I like that. I like numbers. I'm big about numbers and certain ones. So 150 was cool. I was like, dang, that's special.

[B]

So maybe every 10 episodes you come back.

[C]

I would love to.

[B]

All right.

[D]

What's Your favorite number?

[C]

33.

[A]

My question.

[D]

33.

[C]

My friend just turned 33 yesterday.

[D]

He's turning 33 in October. And also that was the year that Jesus died.

[C]

I know.

[D]

What?

[B]

And was raised back to life. What?

[A]

I haven't got to that part yet. You spoiled it.

[C]

That was amazing.

[A]

I'm glad you liked that.

[C]

Dude, that was good.

[A]

I'm not even gonna finish it now.

[B]

Speaking of Jesus dying for our sins, we did go to Orthodox church this weekend.

[A]

Yeah, you told me about it. Pretty cool, right?

[C]

Really?

[B]

Culture shock.

[C]

Were they dressed in suits?

[B]

No, they were.

[D]

Some of them had fancy outfits.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Orthodox Jewish?

[B]

No, Eastern Orthodox Christian.

[D]

It was a Greek Orthodox church specifically.

[C]

I'm not familiar.

[D]

They were speaking Syrian. They were speaking Russian, a little bit of English.

[B]

Yeah. So One of the priests there was from Syria and he was speaking in Arabic in some parts. And then there was another priest there that was from Russia and he was speaking Russian at some parts, which is a cool concept because they're like. When they do the worship and singing, they don't face the crowd. They faced the cross and stuff. So it's like they are worshiping and so they're singing in their own, like, native tongue. I was lost.

[D]

The chancer was Palestinian too. The guy. Yeah, singer guy, which was really cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Long service too.

[D]

Two hours.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. I saw another guy, though, on Tick Tock that went. He's like. He was a Protestant and he went to Eastern Orthodox, but he went to the beforehand part too. So he said, I got there at 7:30, because they do like, before every liturgy, they sing for like, two hours.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he said I was the only one in there. And he's like, am I? And he's like, yeah, this priest was just singing. And he's like, I was just in there for two hours. And then they started reading stuff and then more people started coming in.

[E]

I said, I was lost.

[D]

That's pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah. But there's a lot of really cool things about it.

[A]

What'd you learn?

[B]

They are reverent as the heck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that's something the modern American Christian church could learn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I always. It always drives me crazy when you have, like. I don't know, I guess it. It's just maybe a personal preference, but, like, worship or something like that where they have like the band on the big screen. I'm like, can we not just have the words.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sometimes. Or just like. I don't know. I think it's just so much like a distraction. Look at us. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I don't like that. That.

[B]

But. Oh, go ahead.

[D]

No, you're going.

[A]

I think there's a cooler way to go about it.

[B]

The cool concept of what they believe, which I just. I really think it's the cool thing. They believe that when they are worshiping, it's literally heaven and earth. It's like the veil is getting thin to where they're like, literally worshiping with God with the herb, to God with the angels, with the saints.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All in the room. That's why they have all the icons and stuff all over it. Like, their churches are beautiful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, this is a really cool just idea of just like, real reverence and worship. Real reverence in the Eucharist, like communion and yeah.

[A]

You said everyone shifted their bodies as the communion was brought in, right?

[B]

Yeah. And when the community passing out and bowed to it, you know.

[A]

Do they have a fog machine though?

[B]

No, they do have incense.

[A]

See, that's like the old fashioned, the ancient fog. Yeah. See people, people complain about fog machines nowadays, but it's like, I mean they're doing the exact same thing.

[D]

Yeah. Look at the early days.

[E]

It looks cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In a couple years we're gonna have like full on non denominational churches, like doing like the flag twirlers you were gonna have people doing with the incense.

[B]

Yeah, it was cool though. And they were very nice, very welcoming. They did, they did put a little pin on us because they're like, like Disney style. Yeah. Because they're like, you guys are like, you're new and so like, if you have any questions, people can help you, whatever school.

[D]

I also think it was a way to keep track of us so that we don't take communion.

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Don't serve these people.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. They, they say on the pamphlet though, like, if you're not part of the Eastern Orthodox Church, we regrettably have to ask you not to partake in communion.

[E]

Okay. So yeah, they, they have exclusivity in Christendom.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, they, yeah, the way that they described it, they said, yeah. Regrettably a consequence of the division of the church requires that you do not take communion if you are not an orthodox Christian. And to them Orthodox, obviously it represents denomination, but orthodox means truth, so they mean true Christian.

[E]

Sounds like some semantic Tom foolery.

[B]

Well, I mean that, I mean the.

[A]

Bible is very like clear on like.

[E]

Being a real Christian in it for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Understanding their reverence for the Eucharist, they're just not going to play around. They're not going to like offer it to somebody that isn't also.

[B]

Because that verse that says you drink condemnation on yourself, partaking in it. And so like, in a way it feels like they're kind of like protecting you from drinking condemnation on yourself.

[E]

That's just a bold rule to be like, like us or you're not.

[B]

Yeah. There's a lot of things I really liked about it. There's some things I still struggle with. With it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, but I did, I did.

[E]

A little history diving and it's, it's interesting going back and looking at, you know, where the Catholic Church and them split and then Martin Luther comes in to basically do what they were trying to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

In a way different, but in a.

[B]

Way Martin Luther held the Eastern Orthodox. He called him Greeks at the time, but he held them in really high regards. Yeah. I mean, he was a team up with them against the Pope.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But there's like. No, we're good.

[A]

Thank you.

[E]

No communion for you, Luther.

[B]

We still are here, but. Yeah, it was fun.

[D]

Yeah. Very interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love the art aspect, though. Like you said, it was, like, decked out and, like, painting crazy.

[D]

And that's something that I. I also need to understand because, I mean, we know from the Old Testament, like, idol worship is something that the Lord rejects. But they talk about, like, how they venerate these images and, like. Like, blessing them and not. They're not saying that these images are, like, autonomous. They're just saying, like, it's this image bore witness to the likeness of Christ is what they're basically alluding to. And why would you not celebrate that? Why would you not celebrate and worship the Lord through art? Which I can get on board with. But how do you dance line? And a guy I was listening to this morning was talking about how it's like, that's a heart posture question. Because if you're worshiping the icon, then you don't even know what's going on, you know?

[A]

Yeah. There's more problems then.

[D]

Yeah. So, yeah, Very interesting. I have a lot of questions.

[B]

Lily said she was hoping for me to get, like, a revelation when we were there.

[D]

I was hoping you'd have a vision, literally.

[B]

But what was funny, because there's. I mean, it was huge ceilings, and, like, at the top, there's, like, a dome, and it was just Jesus's face just, like, looking down. And there's, like, two little windows up there. And at one point during the service, like, when they're doing the singing and chanting and the incense, I mean, the sun just went, boom, right in my face. And I'm, like, the only one.

[A]

Lily's like, this is it. This is it.

[B]

It's happening.

[A]

Tell me what you're saying. I'm gonna write it down. Lily, help.

[B]

Yeah, nothing happened. I was just confused and had a headache after.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just really regretted not bringing my sunglasses.

[B]

Yeah. But you have to stand a long.

[D]

Time, and you're scanning the full two hours, basically. Standing or kneeling? Basically, yeah.

[E]

Isn't it kind of convicting, though, when you partake in a service like that and you realize you're like. There is a point where you're starting to go, like, I'm tired.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

When does this end?

[B]

Well, I'm like, it was a challenge for Me, because I'm like, I. I really just want to, like, sit down for a second. But there was a lady in the front row. She had have been 95 years old. Stood the whole time. Like, she could.

[D]

I know. And, like, arthritis or something, too. You could tell. And she's just there worshiping. You're just like, this is amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

It's like when I did secret church with David Platt, and it was, like, nine hours, and he continued to remind us that the secret church, like, globally, where he was, like, sneaking into countries. He was, like, reminding people that the. The Christians he was meeting with were so desperate for the word that he would, like, finish a chapter, finish a verse, and they. They'd be like, and then what? And he, like, kept reminding us that, like, there are people who are hungry for the word, and we're literally all thinking about walls. Awful house. It was like, yeah. Six till three in the morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People who, like, literally walk miles through tunnels.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With their hunt back hunched just to listen to the scripture being read by candlelight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was enough for them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like. That's like, do we love anything in our world?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's crazy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

There was Bryce Crawford, that guy, the young kid who does a lot of preaching and evangelism. He was at a big conference one time, and, you know, joke. He was. They started worship and started the music and everything. And he's just like, I just wasn't into it. He's like, I just wasn't into it at all. And he was kind of sitting there and had a bad kind of attitude about it. Looks over, and there's a handicap section and all these kids that are, you know, in wheelchairs. There's a person, you know, doing the signing for the deaf, and all these kids are just, like, crying and worshiping. He's like, okay, who am I? You know, who am I to be like, you're like, oh, I'm not into it. You know, it's like, you got to pull out what you can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[B]

That's super good. No, it's also really good. Question with Lily with questions are fresh on her mind.

[D]

You guys are really excited.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

Dude, are you kidding me? This is my favorite world.

[B]

I've never been more excited in my entire life.

[D]

I thought so. I really got a doozy for you.

[A]

Oh, I'm not even ready. Buckle up.

[B]

Click. Let's hear it.

[A]

Lo go.

[D]

Would you rather.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Have a magic van that can teleport you anywhere you Want and time travel anywhere you want.

[B]

Cool.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

Or a magic ring that when it touches a book, you absorb all the knowledge inside.

[B]

Ring.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

What a good.

[A]

That was an amazing question.

[B]

That is an amazing. That's actually so good.

[A]

That is fun one. But she wanted that reaction.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. That's amazing.

[D]

Thanks, guys.

[A]

Be careful what you ask for.

[B]

I would choose the ring.

[E]

The van.

[A]

Can you use the van, like, anytime? Like, it's just. It's just in your driveway. You can go anywhere, and it's your van.

[D]

You can teleport or time travel. So you can, like. It's basically like gaining knowledge through lived experience. Or you can experience knowledge through others who have written books.

[B]

Books, Yo. But if your van pops up in, like, the Aztecs, they're dead.

[D]

I know, but you.

[B]

You.

[A]

Or it's like in the middle of a volcano that it's not there now. It's like, yeah, I'm going book. Because it's a safer choice. Right? But the van. So cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Imagine just touching a book and be like, I know everything.

[C]

Yeah, but there's joy in reading a book. Like going and sitting in a hammock by a lake.

[B]

Speak for yourself.

[E]

And being calm.

[C]

Reading a book. It's nice. It's nice to go on that journey. Imagine just watching a movie. In half a second, you miss everything, all the good and the bad. You just. But.

[A]

But I'm thinking nonfiction. That would be hilarious. To be that person who just picks up books that for like, it's like, oh, this looks interesting. Oh, Sally dies. Okay. I don't dead the whole time. Okay, no worries.

[B]

Well, you can take the ring off, too. So if you want to read a.

[D]

Book, savor a book.

[C]

Okay. Does it measure your heart rate and stuff, too? Or do you have to, like, take off your or ring?

[D]

You can pick. You could do all the things.

[C]

Okay, I'll do a van.

[D]

Okay, cool. I think I would do the van, too.

[A]

Where do you go? First place? Jake, where would you go if you had the van?

[C]

The Viking time where the guy transforms himself into a bear. That's what I immediately thought. I'd probably park on the side of the woods so they don't see me. Like, the Aztecs, they probably kill you if they saw a van. So I'd park out of the way a little bit in the shade and then walk over and see if I could see that guy bearing out. That'd be cool.

[D]

What's cool about a van is that it has a lot of seats. So I bet you could take your friends.

[C]

Yeah, I do have a couple friends. And then you could battle, too, if you wanted to.

[D]

Yeah. You could participate if you wanted to change history.

[C]

That'd be kind of cool to participate in, like, a old age war. As long as you know you're not gonna die. But that'd be sick to be a Viking.

[D]

It would be.

[B]

I say, I sent this thing to my brother and sister, but I can't find it. But someone said, do you think Hitler did all the terrible things that he did? Because there's so many people from the future popping up in his room as a child trying to get rid of him, and they weren't able to do it, so it just messed him up.

[A]

Yeah, he's like. Just imagine, like, Adolf Hitler as a baby, and there's, like, future people in futuristic clothing just show up in his room, and they're just, like, holding up a gun. They're like, I can't do it. And then they go. They disappear.

[B]

So that's why he chose.

[D]

That's a chicken in the egg question.

[A]

Yeah. So funny.

[D]

Insane.

[B]

Such a funny concept. Speaking of Oura ring, did you guys hear about Oura rings?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No. What do you mean? They selling data or something?

[C]

Big time.

[B]

Pretty much.

[A]

I mean, who is it at this point? What are we doing?

[B]

They've teamed up with a company.

[C]

What is that one?

[E]

Can we start from the beginning? What is an aura ring?

[D]

It's like a fancy Fitbit that measures, like, basically everything a lot of women use it for, like, fertility and stuff, too.

[A]

Dalton Cobbs. I think that was the one he won liked, right?

[B]

Yeah. What does it measure? It measures, like, fatigue, like, everything. Biometric data.

[E]

Shout out, Dalton, congrats on your new baby.

[B]

But they've teamed up.

[E]

It's in process right now.

[D]

Continue.

[B]

They've teamed up with the lovely company Palantir.

[A]

I literally was gonna guess Peter Thiel.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Come on.

[B]

They're working well. So the Department of Defense, they're taking Oura rings and giving it to US soldiers. So it's like. It's a. It's sketch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That a company is involved. But the Department of Defense, they're using the Oura rings for soldiers to collect biometric data. But they have to use Palantir's security systems to keep that data secure.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

But, you know, there's gonna be weird loopholes in access for sure too. And they're like, no, it's not going to collect the data of everyone that has an Oura ring.

[A]

And it's like, guys, trust us.

[B]

Come on, we would never do anything like that.

[A]

Honestly, that. That idea didn't even cross my mind. You guys are coming up with these?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we do read your text and emails and listen to your. All your phone calls, but we would never collect your biometric data.

[A]

What are you talking about?

[B]

You guys sound crazy.

[A]

So nuts right now. I'm leaving. Put on this ring.

[B]

You know, you're scaring me, but that's as little.

[A]

This is probably exactly what RFK was talking about. The wearables.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He says, I want everyone wearing a wearable by 2029.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, how hard is it for people to be like, you know, if the government issued rings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For people, it's like, listen, this is gonna be great. You can link it to your healthcare. It's gonna be awesome. Like, it's wonderful for you guys.

[B]

Yep. So they passed this thing in August 2025. Aura revealed it's partnering with the Department of Defense. And that part, their approach involves leveraging Palantir's Fed Start platform to enhance data security for military use.

[A]

So fun.

[B]

Yeah. Palantir, they're just, like, full of ideas.

[E]

There's no way our phones aren't already doing that, though, like, collecting biometric data. Well, they are to some extent. But, like, the port on the bottom of my phone died and I just. I've never thought about using the other charge thing. But the fact that it's an electronic transmitter and I keep my palm on it, like, holding it, it's, like, guaranteed it's taking some sort of info in.

[A]

But you want something that's permanently on you, something that they can really track.

[B]

Well, you know, here's something really creepy. South Korea just did this study to where so a child's skull, you know, is thinner than a full grown adult because it's still growing malleable. They saw that smartphones, iPhones, the radiation that they put off fully penetrates a child's brain. So as an adult, it, like, barely, like, comes in and penetrates it. But as a child, they literally showed the CAT scans. It's, like, lit up.

[A]

Yeah. So all those iPad kids, it's just radiation just. Yeah.

[B]

Dumped into their brains, man.

[C]

Don't they have little, like, things you can put on the back? I forget. They're called, like, PDFs or something. And they kind of block the radiation waves.

[B]

Oh, I don't know.

[D]

That's cool.

[C]

You know about that?

[D]

No.

[C]

Oh, it's a big deal. I think I'll look it up and I'll get us all on after this.

[B]

That would be cool.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. We're at. We're gonna have a ton of problems later in the future. That's what's going to be really interesting because, like, how even they promoted cigarettes and everything like that. And the cigarette companies paid off certain people to make sure that message was never out there. It's like, who knows what's going to come out in 20 years? Like. Like, yeah, this was terrible for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it was in my monster real quick.

[B]

I think it was in Indonesia. They just banned all vaping. And the guy, one of the spokesperson, he's like, why would we banned vaping but not also ban cigarettes? And they're like, no, I mean, come on.

[A]

Let's be real.

[B]

Vaping will kill you.

[A]

Yeah. Cigarette. We're just trying to have a good time.

[B]

It's like, logically, why. Why are we. If we're gonna ban this, we might as well ban all smokable. Whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Just gotta make money.

[B]

That's just politics, dude.

[A]

And we are a politics podcast.

[B]

We are welcome. Ninjas are politics. Yeah.

[A]

Apparently, it's rumored that Trump is gonna rename the Department of Defense to the Department of War.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Which he's apparently speaking right now. Like, we don't like. He has that. That big speech that he's given, so I don't know what he's gonna say.

[B]

Do you know the White House also said that they want to basically clean the Statue of Liberty and bring it back to its full copper sheen.

[A]

That'd be cool. Is that what it originally was?

[B]

Yeah. And I like. Because there's, like, colorized pictures, but it was literally, it's. It's copper, and so it's green because of the oxidization. Yeah.

[D]

Was that right?

[B]

But they're saying that it could potentially ruin the Statue of Liberty, like, its structural integrity.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How?

[E]

I don't know.

[B]

I think they're just. They want to push back on. They said also it's a complete waste of taxpayer money.

[A]

I mean, I'm. It's like, I'm okay with that.

[B]

We've spent it on worse than. I kind of want to see it shined up a little elbow grease.

[A]

They just need to get you glasses, like 3D glasses. So whenever you look at the Statue of Liberty, it's like, it could just look bronze.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Also, people been trying to get, like, Trump on the Mount Rushmore, and they said that, like, there's a lot of restrictions, like, apparently a President has to be dead for at least five years. But they're like, there's literally. No.

[B]

I can do it in three. I can do it in half that time. No, Mr. President, I don't think you understand. No, you know what?

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

Six months.

[A]

No. What do you. Listen, you don't know what you're saying, but apparently there's, like, huge fractures in it, so there's, like, no way.

[B]

Oh, no way could do it. Have you been to the Mount Rushmore?

[C]

No, I haven't been anywhere up north, like, close to that.

[B]

Honestly, not that impressive, really. It's way smaller in person.

[A]

It looks incredibly small when people take, like, touristy photos.

[B]

Looks like a little hill.

[C]

You know, I've never seen somebody take a picture of that ever. Like, everyone takes a picture at Niagara Falls and different places, but I've never seen one of my friends go to Mount Rushmore.

[B]

I got a picture of it.

[C]

You do?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Wait, pull it up.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

To me, it would be waste of a trip. I mean, no offense to the big historical buffs out there, but it's like, that would not be on my list ever. Like, American monuments or something.

[D]

I would see if I was passing through, but how often. Is it North Dakota? Is that where.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

South Dakota.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Who would you guys put on the Mount Rushmore if you could create your own?

[B]

Obviously, Nicholas Cage. Number one. Obviously Nicholas Cage.

[D]

Bart Simpson.

[B]

Nikola Tesla.

[A]

Tony's from Tony's Pizza.

[B]

And Little Caesars.

[A]

Pizza. Pizza.

[C]

Little Caesar.

[A]

What about you? Who's your four? Four humans that, like, motivate you and like. And just, like, I want to be like them.

[C]

I wasn't prepared for this.

[A]

You weren't either.

[C]

I know. You're right. Casey Neistat.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Without the glasses.

[C]

Without with glasses. Probably Paolo Coelho, the guy who wrote the Alchemist. Maybe David Goggins on Someday, maybe not. Every day I'll pick him and then Jocko. I drank a Jocko drink this morning. I drank his, like, energy drink and his protein shake this morning.

[A]

How do you feel?

[C]

I love him.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It seems to be so much cleaner than other ones. I like him. I would put.

[A]

If you had to put, pick Goggins or Jocko, who would you pick?

[C]

For what?

[A]

Just fight. Fist fight.

[C]

Fist fight.

[A]

Who? They win.

[C]

Jocko.

[A]

Jocko.

[C]

He's jacked. David's, like, toned, but I don't think he's jacked like Jocko.

[D]

Did you read Extreme Ownership?

[C]

No.

[D]

Have you read it?

[C]

What is it?

[D]

It's Jocko's business book.

[C]

No.

[D]

We did like a study when it was like one year. It was like everybody that was in, like a management level position had to do study on extreme ownership.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For a T shirt.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

Nuts.

[D]

Why were we doing that?

[A]

It was crazy. It was pretty intense because it's like nothing but, like, war stories and then lessons from those war stories.

[D]

How you can apply it to your workplace seemed a little intense. It was intense.

[C]

If a coworker does something crazy, commit a war crime on them.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

All the males are like, yeah, like, why don't we do something?

[A]

Like, I mean, can we just learn how to communicate better?

[E]

What was the, like, weirdest takeaway?

[A]

Do you remember?

[E]

I know I'm putting you on the spot, but.

[D]

No, I know. I mean, like, the lesson is good, right? I mean, it's definitely something that's like, like lost. I feel like in. In our nation, it's just becoming more and more scarce. It's just this idea of, like, you know, taking ownership and like, you know, and championing something. You know, it's so easy. Especially like when you make a mistake to be like, oh, well, these are the factors that contributed to that. But these. What he's challenging you with is saying like, oh, this is what I could have done better. And learning from it.

[A]

Yeah. Not quit deflecting.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's a good way to live. I. I heard it from somebody else, but I heard it described as everything is your fault. So I started to live like that. And like, anytime something go wrong, well, what did I do? What did I not prepare enough? What did I not do enough of before this happened to realize this was going to happen or to prepare my team for this? Like, yeah, something goes wrong, I could easily be like, dude, what the heck?

[D]

But I know.

[C]

Or I could be like, well, I didn't prepare you for this, or I didn't do enough of this, and it's a way better way to live. You never get mad at people. You never blame people. People for stuff. You just like, you just keep getting better and better.

[D]

I know, exactly. And that's. I think it's a quality of a servant leader, which I think is definitely the, like, the best form of leadership is just to be, like, in service to the people that, that you're in charge of. But yeah, but I mean, like, we were literally reading, like, war stories as a company that was applicable.

[B]

Speaking of war stories, hit us with that beat. Oh, got soundboard. Not. Andrew's got a reel and he's gonna show us right now.

[A]

Right now, right now.

[B]

Right now.

[D]

That's good.

[B]

Sick.

[A]

We practiced.

[E]

I texted it to everybody. This is so. I grew up fishing, and I still love fishing, but I will forever hate picking, like, pinfish or shrimp up out of a bucket. I think this just gets me every time I watch it.

[B]

All right, ready?

[E]

You got a Jake?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna do the volume.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

Two, one. Pick him up. See, look. None of them bit me. Okay, Mark, I'm trusting you, okay?

[D]

No way.

[B]

When you saw me, none of them bit me.

[D]

I would literally never.

[A]

Perfectly cut. Scream is always the best.

[C]

That happened. Happened to me one time. I was in Petco when I was, like, nine with my mom, and they have painted hermit crabs you can, like, buy. And I was like, this was. For some reason. I remember I had a flip phone. This was, like, flip phone era. And I was like, can I hold a hermit crab? And she was like, sure. And I was like, it won't, like, bite me, right? Absolutely not. Dude, this is terrible. So sorry. PETA or vegans, but I put the hermit crab in my hand. It pinched me, and I threw it. I threw it really far.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

Did it die?

[C]

I don't. My mom was like, let's go see what happened.

[B]

That's so funny.

[D]

Oh, my gosh. That happened to me, too. I think, too. I like to fish. Not like you guys, but I do like fishing. But I remember one time I caught, like, a brim or something, and I'm going to hold it, and I dropped it, and its spike went into the top of my toe.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

Ouchie.

[D]

So now I'm kind of scared to hold them still.

[C]

Yeah, I can see that. You ever got spawned by a catfish?

[D]

Never.

[C]

I've seen a video of a dude throwing a saltwater catfish at his friend, and the spike on the back sticking in his back. I saw that I would not be friends with that guy. That's horrible.

[E]

Not a chance.

[C]

That's insane. Those hurt.

[A]

There's got to be, like, an infection possibility with that too, right?

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, I'm sure.

[A]

Yeah. It just seems probably sanitary.

[E]

I saw a dude step on one on the pier.

[C]

No, the. That's.

[E]

People were like, de hooking and just leaving them.

[C]

Yeah, people do that.

[E]

And literally, dude was walking, just started cussing.

[C]

Dude, that would be really painful. I stepped on a piece of glass one time. My brother broke a glass and didn't clean it up in the kitchen, and I stepped on a piece of glass like, that big and went straight up my heel, dude. I had to pull it out the.

[E]

Worst fishing accident I've had. We're just gonna stay on this thread because I know Josh and Andy love it, but fishing flip flops?

[A]

I've never fished.

[E]

No, I'm talking about paint, not the fishing. Wearing flip flops, climbing on, like, a rock jetty. And I was, like, stepping a fairly large gap. My flip flop fell off and was just floating on the water. And I was like, I got that. I can, like, you know, as I'm stepping, scoop my foot through the flip flop and land on the next step. Miss the flip flop, and the next rock was all oyster shell and literally caught the middle of my foot and split to the heel.

[D]

Dude, our friend's daughter just did that. Anna Nora did it.

[E]

I mean, like, a centimeter deep. From the middle of my foot a little bit. I still have a scar.

[C]

Those rocks are not to be messed with.

[E]

That was when we first moved to Florida, and that's how I learned what oyster shells do. I had no idea.

[B]

You want to hear the worst story?

[E]

Please. I love one upping.

[B]

This is why I'll never run on a dock.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

My uncle's friend was running on a dock because they live over in, like, St. Pete.

[C]

I know where this was going.

[B]

And, you know, the tie for the boat.

[E]

Okay. I thought we were going.

[B]

What are they called?

[C]

Cleat.

[B]

Yeah, cleat.

[E]

What he said.

[B]

Running full speed, barefoot, hits that thing in between his big toe and his other toe, and it split his foot. Like, probably that much.

[E]

No.

[A]

He made his photo foot flop.

[B]

Yep. How is it that sharp? I don't know, but I saw the picture, and it was the worst thing ever. His name? I don't think so. I think they just moved together, put it back together.

[A]

You guys seen that video where the guy just slips off the side of the boat, right? Oh, that metal. Yeah, and it goes right to his armpit. It goes through his skin? Yeah, to his armpit. And I'm like, I can't. I just don't want to do anything. When I see these types of videos, I want to just stay home.

[E]

Dude, this is a one downer, not a one upper. But we were surfing in the winter, and, like, it gets cold enough in Florida to where you can't feel your feet. Like, if you stay out for a couple hours and I'm walking in, down the. Down the boardwalk, you know, rinse off, go to my car, and I just feel that my foot's getting warm. I'm like, that's weird. I'm like, I didn't just Pee myself. What's going on? Like, literally it was like tripping me out. And then I start. It's like pain. And I turn around and for like a hundred yards from the showers to where I am, there's just a blood spot that's gotten bigger and bigger. And my feet were so frozen, I didn't feel it happen.

[C]

Wow.

[E]

But a nail was coming up from between the boardwalk and I hooked between my toes and ripped the head of the nail halfway through my.

[B]

Yeah. Speaking of ripping your foot in half, don't you have a story about an owl? Owl on the road?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

What is that? Cuz I just saw your text to Andy with you said owl in the road.

[C]

It has to do with the documentary that Andy's obsessed with. What's it called?

[A]

The Staircase. You remember that?

[D]

Oh, yeah. I like that one too.

[C]

Yeah, I haven't seen the documentary, but one day I woke up. It's not.

[B]

No, it's too long.

[A]

No, Jake, it's great.

[B]

It's way too long.

[D]

And Josh's attention span couldn't deal with it.

[B]

It's just like she tripped down some stairs.

[D]

He pushed her.

[B]

He pushed her, whatever.

[C]

But he didn't push her.

[D]

He.

[C]

I thought an owl.

[D]

Go watch the documentary, dude.

[C]

I'm not gonna.

[D]

The owl theory is interesting, but continue. Yeah.

[C]

Okay, I'm. I'm gonna ask you this after, but one day I was driving downtown at like 5am it was pitch black. And I'm driving, coming off of the 408, going towards downtown. I just looked up and that deer has glasses and hair.

[B]

Hilarious.

[C]

It's looking right at him.

[A]

He shot him like that. He's going to school.

[C]

Onward. I'm driving and there's a giant owl in the middle of the road. And it doesn't move. So I pull over and I'm like, I don't want to touch this thing because they have like their talons or their. Yeah, that could like really injure you. But I don't want it to just sit in the middle of the road because it's gonna get clapped. Like people are driving like 40, 50 miles an hour, pitch black. It's gonna get smoked very soon. So I pulled over in the right lane. It's in the dead center of the middle lane, three lane road. And I'm like, I grab a fishing rod out of my car and I try to like poke it to move it out of the way, and it's just not moving. But it's alive and it's standing up. And then I'm also trying to like, this is really dangerous for me to be in the road too, because you can easily get killed for being in the road. I'm like waving cars to go to the right lane. It's pitch black. They can't see me. This lady in a Tesla, I'm like waving her down. She doesn't see anything. She screeches at the last second, barely misses. The owl stops. She gets out. She's like, please don't kill me. This is my worst fear. Please don't kill me. I'm like, I'm not gonna kill you, I promise.

[A]

That was like, befriended this owl so you can like lure her in.

[C]

Yeah, it was a fake owl.

[E]

That was her car stopping for sure. Not what in a Tesla.

[C]

Oh, really?

[E]

Because. Because they stop, like their sensors will stop. So if it screech. That's why she was so shook. She didn't have a clue what was going on.

[C]

Oh, I bet Palantir's involved.

[E]

Could be. Could.

[D]

She's like to you, she's like, don't kill me, please. You're like, I won't, dude, I can't even imagine.

[C]

No, I wouldn't do that. I'm not involved in anything like that.

[A]

I sent you the video. He. You took a video of it?

[C]

I did.

[A]

So I sent you guys the video. It's crazy.

[C]

It was cool. So I'm like, are you a vet? And she's like, no, I'm a nurse. I just love animals. And she had balls of steel. I grabbed a towel or. She grabbed a towel or shirt out of her trunk and she wrapped up this owl and grabbed it with her hands and moved it all the way under this tree. It was crazy. And it was. She was so scared, but she just did it because she loves animals. Her name was Amanda. Nurse Amanda. She was sick and we started talking. Once she got the owl to like, there's a little forest on the side. And she put it like behind a tree and we started talking and she was like, have you seen that documentary where like this lady.

[A]

So she brings up the murdering.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was filming, so I got it on video. She was like, this lady got pushed downstairs and the husband got a. Got like, got blamed for it. But they found out later an owl scalped her and then she fell down the stairs.

[A]

Yeah, that was like a. It was like at the very end of like this 10 part documentary, there was like a 10 minute video on the owl theory. And so it wasn't even like really in the main documentary. They're Just like this is the owl theory. And so because they found something in her scalp, they found like the lacerations, but they found like something that belongs to like a type of feather or some type of material that's only found within owl feather feathers, like on wings and stuff. And so it was in her hair. And so. But they were just outside, so who knows? But it's like a very. I mean, if that was the case. Insane. Absolutely crazy. But there's like. You think there would be like feathers everywhere?

[B]

Well, I.

[D]

Wouldn't a window have been open or.

[A]

Something or trapped in the house?

[C]

Yeah, he was in there.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What. So what, is the guy still in jail?

[A]

I think he got released.

[D]

Well, he never went.

[A]

I thought he was in jail for. It's a. It's a crazy thing. Like you have to watch it. It's a. Because there's so many just details to it.

[B]

But I just.

[A]

I don't know. What do you. What do you feel?

[D]

Well, I. So the way that they did that series, it's like a 10 part series or each an hour long, these episodes. And the way they leave you, I mean, these guys are like with him all the time. They're with his legal team, the guys that are doing the documentary. And you're going, he. They think he did it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they were hanging out with him this whole time because they basically he gets acquitted or whatever it is. And then at the end they do this really sinister segment where he's like, what am I gonna do next? Like he said, no way. And then it ends and you're like, he did it. They knew he did it because get this, she was the second woman in his life that he was allegedly involved with that fell down a staircase and.

[A]

Died because he lived in Germany and it was like a nanny, A nanny. That nanny neighbor that was in a house and they came and she was dead at the bottom of the stairs.

[D]

They speculate he was involved with. In. Pregnant.

[C]

She was pregnant?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And did he have a wife at the time?

[D]

Yeah. Who? He. They ended up getting a divorce later.

[C]

So why did he do the second one was, did he get another nanny pregnant but he wanted to stay with her instead of the wife?

[D]

No, he was doing. No.

[A]

Their kids were out of the house, they were older, like this old retired author.

[D]

And yeah, he had an extra. Extramarital relationship that they came out in the documentary. The opposite gender.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And yeah, she knew about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The opposite gender of him or the opposite gender of her.

[D]

Him? Well, both.

[C]

Why'd you phrase like that.

[D]

The same gender? Just kidding. Anyway, I said both.

[A]

I was like, wait a minute.

[B]

Oh really?

[A]

That's even more true.

[D]

And what does that equal anyway?

[E]

Anyway, why did that not bother any of us?

[B]

I guess it made sense, actually.

[D]

A really good listener. That's why.

[E]

I mean, I knew what it meant.

[D]

Anyway, that's two women in his life to dine down a staircase. That's really. That's a strange coincidence, don't you think?

[B]

It is a coincidence. I really think.

[D]

Oh, you do?

[B]

No.

[A]

You think he's guilty?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

He seemed very weird. He loved the camera. I don't like. It's one of those people that like when you're under that much scrutiny and like you're going to court, it's like. He was very dramatic and very, I don't know, he was an author too, so he was kind of like very. I don't know.

[B]

That owl was terrifying.

[C]

It was like 2ft tall probably. It was a big out. It did fly away by the way. And I called everyone I knew and like vets and stuff. There's a Birds of Prey center here. Have you guys been there?

[B]

No.

[C]

Audubon Birds of Prey Center. It's an Eatonville. See like all these owls and big birds. That rehab is really cool. Great field trips. Hey, you got to take Demi.

[D]

Demi's subject is birds.

[A]

I know. That's on our list for sure.

[E]

The fun story about that place, I looked up, I was driving through Mount Dora and saw a bunch of turkeys during turkey season in a vacant lot. And I went on Onx to see who owns it because I'm going to try to like get in contact with this person and see if I can bow hunt a turkey in their yard.

[C]

Knock on the door.

[E]

It's the, the sanctuary. It's like no Wonder there's like 20 turkeys.

[C]

I'm glad you looked that up.

[B]

Yeah, that's hilarious.

[A]

Don't ask permission, ask for forgiveness. Yeah, if you would have saw that owl, you would have.

[B]

Yeah. Dude, owls are so scary.

[E]

Die devil, die.

[C]

I see him all the time. Time we've like had a lot outside of my parents house growing up, just on the streets. They're. They're pretty cool.

[B]

Do that point in the video when she was putting it down and the owls just going, looking at her. I'm just like, no, never.

[C]

This lady, it was cool.

[D]

I'm developing like a profile on my head. She's cracking me up because the first thing out of her mouth when she sees you is don't kill Me. This is my worst fear. And then she's like, have you heard of the staircase? She was totally listening to a murder podcast.

[C]

Yeah, on the way, she's listening to that podcast. And the Tesla stopped on its own.

[B]

And you're just standing in the road by an owl.

[C]

Dude, that's funny.

[D]

What a nightmare.

[B]

Please don't kill me.

[A]

You look at the owl attack her. She's the one.

[D]

She's literally been waiting for this moment, I bet, her whole life.

[E]

Do you remember when you told the story about how owls actually defecate out their mouth?

[B]

Yeah, E. What's wrong with that? Dude.

[C]

Did you make that phone?

[B]

Never seen. I've never seen it happen.

[E]

Dude, look at that.

[C]

That's not real, is it? Yeah, that looks really fake.

[B]

They throw up all the bones and hair out of their mouth. Yeah.

[C]

So it's not like poop, it's just, like extras.

[B]

The bones are their money. Yeah. Not an owl fan. It freaks me out, too, that they're silent when they fly.

[A]

You know that there's. They're completely silent.

[B]

No noise.

[C]

Like you don't hear the wings flopping.

[E]

Yeah, not at all.

[C]

Why? How?

[A]

They've tested them, like, literally with, like, huge mics and stuff, from, like, perch to perch and like, every other bird you can hear. But it's like owls.

[C]

Completely awesome.

[A]

As big as they are.

[B]

Here's what I'm saying. I'm making a connection right now.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

I'm gonna make this connection.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

No one else has ever done a skinwalker connection, almost alien connection to the aliens.

[D]

When all the alien movies. There's an owl.

[B]

Well, that, but also UFOs. They're always silent because they defy the physics. What if owls are doing the same thing? What if they have this supernatural ability to bend space and time around them to where they can just fly without making a noise?

[E]

But they literally can explain. Explain the physics.

[B]

No, they can't.

[A]

They can't.

[B]

They literally can't.

[A]

Can't do it.

[B]

They're demonic.

[D]

Andrew, are you suggesting that birds are robots and birds aren't real?

[B]

No, I'm saying they're demons.

[C]

I have a theory. What if the Autobond Birds of Prey center are behind UFOs and they studied owls so much they figured out how they fly with no sound, and they're the ones creating UFOs.

[B]

Now we're cooking aliens. Now we're cooking.

[C]

Somebody just studied owls very well and figured some stuff out.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

All right.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

I think everyone agree that's a fact.

[B]

I think we Figured it out, guys.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Teamwork chat.

[A]

Down with Autobahn.

[B]

Down with Autobahn.

[C]

Would you ever do nothing?

[B]

Nothing. It was nothing. Autobahn also sounds. Isn't that a highway in Germany?

[A]

Yeah, the no speed limit. No speed limit.

[B]

No speed limit. What goes fast? Foes and owls.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Autobahn.

[C]

Hitler made owls.

[B]

We figured out. And they were ahead of the world in UFO technology.

[A]

They sure were. I don't like it.

[B]

I don't like it either, but I love it. You know? I do. Love.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is patreon.com forward/ninjas are Butterflies. Where we're going to do an additional episode right after this. Jake has some crazy family history that he's going to tell us about. Crazy family history. And I have a video of them detonating a nuclear bomb under an island in Alaska. And then everything loses gravity for a couple seconds and it's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[D]

Jake's family, or I thought you were.

[C]

Going to say my family did that video.

[B]

Jake's family did not do that. I don't think.

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

We'll find out on Patreon. It's the craziest video. You see a cow literally just float in space. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Amazing.

[E]

And I'm gonna connect Hitler to owls and just read this Wikipedia page on Patreon.

[A]

Perfect. So download the Patreon app. Go look. Look up. Ninjas are butterflies. You get the episodes early. You get an extra episode behind the scenes footage. Discount codes for merch. The best of the best.

[B]

And if you become a YouTube member on the ninja elite, you get the additional episode as well. If you just do the. What's the other one? Early bird Ninjas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You get the episodes early.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We're gonna do some live merch discounts. All the fun stuff, answer your questions.

[A]

Also, if you need ninja merch, go to sundaycoolswag.com baby. We got hats, we got stickers, we got all types of shirts, hoodies. It's the best of the best. So if you want to represent, be a ninja.

[B]

And if you want custom merch for you, your group, your company, your Whoever, go to sundaycool.com we do stickers, hats, T shirts.

[A]

Now, Jake.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Tell us about everywhere. Everyone can follow you. Find out for more information about you, what you got going on.

[D]

Well said.

[C]

Thank you. My name is Jake Hutchinson. I want Instagram at Hutch. Jake Tick tock at Jake Hutchinson3. YouTube. Jake Hutcherson. And I'm signing to a talent agency soon, so hopefully you'll see more of me.

[A]

So if there's any companies or anybody out there watching, give them your pitch.

[C]

My pitch is go back to the intro of this one and the intro of the last episode. Watch how good I messed with Lily. I would be an incredible actor. If you have a movie about Florida, about not Florida, anything you want to do, I would love to partake in it. I can do different voices. I could. You could probably put eyebrows on me if you needed to. I can't do anything super high pitched, but anything with a deep voice role, I'm in. I'm your guy. Find me at one of those social media locations. Thank you.

[A]

And he's gonna be buff soon, so.

[C]

Yeah, I'll be jacked. So if need like a Jason Momoa extra, I'm your guy. Around December. Probably give me a couple months.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you. Well, thanks Jake, for coming, man. We'll see you on episode 170.

[C]

See you there.

[B]

All right, guys, love you. Bye bye.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you, dolphin.

[E]

What you're about to see. Wow.

[C]

May disturb of you dominoes.

[B]

If any of you know what these.

[E]

Multi decade UAP.

[B]

Bottle nose fish pigs.

[A]

There's a massive police response.

[B]

Oh, the dolphin thing.

[E]

Oh my God.

[C]

Dolphin style attack.

[A]

All right, thumbnails.

[B]

If you can do it, they say you should. So I went out and gave it a try. Walked on the dock and let it fly. Hey.