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182 - Psyops, Propaganda Weapons, & Unrestricted Warfare w/ Jesse Carey
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Jesse Dolphin
Psychological warfare is real, people.
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Sean
The government knows how to make you poop your pants and melt your brain.
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Host 1
Oh.
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Jesse Dolphin
Buckle up.
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Host 2
And we uncover the origins of Tartaria.
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Host 1
And Jess is going to tell us all about it. And that's where you go. This podcast is brought to you in Power by Sunday. Cool. Watch this or listen.
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Jesse Dolphin
This podcast is brought to you Empowered by Sunday. Cool. Watch or listen and leave a great review. Five stars, please.
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Host 1
Whoa.
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Sean
He nailed it.
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Jesse Dolphin
All right, there we go.
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Host 1
His recall is nuts. I know.
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Sean
It's so good.
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Host 1
Bing bong.
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Jesse Dolphin
Bing bong.
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Sean
And we're rolling.
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Host 1
So where are you from?
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Jesse Dolphin
I'm from Virginia beach, but I actually lived in Orlando for, like, three years.
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Host 1
Nice.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, I was an editor at Relevant.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, so we worked in, like, the 55 west building at the time, like, downtown.
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Sean
Oh, yeah, we just talked about. He's. He's producing a podcast as well. In Kalispell.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Oh, no way.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So we got a host out there, so I might go out there actually, next week.
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Host 1
Was it the. Is it the guy from your UFO documentary thing?
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, Andy, who hosts that ufo, that show, Black Project.
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Host 1
Yeah. We need to talk. We'll talk more about that. That was awesome.
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Jesse Dolphin
Oh, thank you.
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Host 1
Me and my. Me and my wife watched it last night and.
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Jesse Dolphin
Oh, did you make. Make it through the whole thing? I know it's kind of.
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Host 1
We have, like, 10 minutes left, but, like, I was like, this is crazy. Yeah, we talked about some of the stuff on the pod, but it was in the last.
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Sean
In the last 10 minutes. He just says, oh, we're just kidding, by the way. So you missed it.
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Jesse Dolphin
Spoiler. Yeah. Psych. No, when we talk to. I don't know if we, like, slow rolling in, but, like, when we talk to Gary Nolan, who's, like, the Stanford neuroscientist, and, you know, Andy's a pretty. You know, Andy's former SEAL Team Six guy. He's very blunt, and I wouldn't say skeptical. Very, like, pragmatic, you know, and so anytime we bring someone in from, like, the UFO community, I want to be, like, careful. They're, like, credible. I mean, you guys know how it is.
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Sean
Sure.
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Jesse Dolphin
Like, there's a. I'm not, like, disparaging anybody, but you get a lot of, like, crazy. Yeah. But this guy, I'm like, dude, he's a Stanford neuroscientist, you know, and he told this wild story. I don't know if you guys want me to pause or if you go for it.
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Sean
You're good.
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Jesse Dolphin
But he told this wild Story of. So he. He develops like, he was on Rogan, I don't know, like a month or two ago, but he developed this, like, brain imagery technology that is. Is a pretty big deal and like, the neurology world. Anyway, these guys show up at his office at Stanford and tell him, hey, man, you know, they're like, in black suits, you know, kind of typical classic. Yeah. Like, you hear about the, you know, kind of Men in Black stuff. But he says, you know, they came to him and said, we have some people that. That work for us. We were at the dod, and they have these brain injuries that we can't identify. We'd like you to take a look to see what you can find. And so, you know, because he's. He's this, you know, Ivy League neurological expert or whatever, who isn't. Yeah, yeah, no big deal. No big deal. Maybe you heard of it. Stanford. And so anyway, he gets to talk to him. He's like, I got to know how they incurred these brain injuries. Long story short, these guys tell him that they encountered exotic materials during what seemed to be crash retrieval programs. And so it sent this guy down this rabbit hole. And it's one of those things when you have someone, because everyone's got, like, a theory about stuff. But when we're doing Black Project, I wanted to be really careful about who we're talking to, because one kind of sideways voice can kind of discredit the whole thing.
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Host 1
Sure.
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Jesse Dolphin
You know?
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Host 2
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so talking to him. Talking to, like, Richard Dolan, who is, like, a UFO researcher, but he's also super pragmatic about.
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Host 1
He's the British guy, right?
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Jesse Dolphin
No, that was Nick Cook.
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Host 1
Okay. Nick Cook. He was. His stuff was cool, dude.
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Jesse Dolphin
So his story is wild, too. And that's one that I didn't want to do. I didn't want to do that documentary if we couldn't get him, because I really felt like he kind of anchored it so well. I think the British accent helps to, like, credibility. Yeah, but. But he was the editor of a publication called Jane's Defense Weekly, which. Jane's Defense Weekly, in the defense world is, like, a really big deal. You know, it's. It's. It's every kind of contractor and aviation company references Jane's Defense Weekly, and he gets access to, like, Lockheed Martin, Skunk Works, Everyone gives him access. And he started, like, seeing stuff that kind of made him curious about what is kind of being hidden behind the curtains. But he's also kind of top of the pyramid with having to kind of be the Arbiter of what is credible in that world. Because a lot of people pay a lot of money to get access to the information he produces. Anyway, someone sent him kind of anonymously these magazine articles, I think it was from the 1960s that said the anti gravitic age is here. And it showed these craft being tested. And this was in aviation publications. Fast forward a couple years. That just all goes away. And so he got curious, like, did it just go dark? And so he wrote this really cool book called the Hunt for Zero Point. Because he just became fascinated, like, what if there are black programs within the sort of military industrial complex that are hiding super powerful technology that could have implications beyond just anti gravitic aviation technology? The crux of it is, is there a way, has there been something discovered beyond traditional propulsion that can be utilized? And the implication is, and you guys probably gone down these anti gravitic rabbit holes or whatever, but it would essentially, like the wrinkle in time thing, like pull space time together. So if the craft is here and it wants to get to this destination, instead of using, you know, burning fuel and pushing it really fast, it could somehow pull that space time together and seem. Thomas Teleport. And so he got really curious about this and did want to kind of trace. When did this first start showing up? And that's when he got into the whole Foo Fighters and orbs thing in World War II and traced it all the way through. He did a deep dive. He went to the site of the Nazi bell.
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Host 1
Yeah, the Nazi bell. Like the UFO that.
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Sean
Oh, yeah, for sure.
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Host 1
They came upon. Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so the weird thing about the Nazi bell. Well, no, it's kind of vanished. But the structure that supported it was still around and he was able to see it. And no one. It looked like some sort of like, centrifuge. And so it made him curious if some of these Nazi scientists were experimenting with some sort of. I'm going to butcher the science of it, but basically some way to separate molecules that could create gravity, manipulate, you know, create a system where more energy would come out than energy could go in.
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Host 1
And this is like the 40s, the 30s and 40s.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, this is like 1947.
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Sean
Technology peaked at that point, and we haven't been able to reach that yet.
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Host 1
True.
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Sean
Yeah. Nothing close.
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Jesse Dolphin
Well, and that. That's sort of what he is. He got curious about. Yeah, because if you fast forward and there's a lot of weird stuff in between, but like if you fast forward to after the war, there's Operation Paperclip where the US Basically negotiated with Werner von Braun and all these Nazi scientists and brought them to the US and basically gave them immunity. But they're the ones who are sort of the fathers of the modern American rocketry system. But what he. And a lot of the people in that documentary hesitate to speculate, you know, because if you speculate and wrong, you can be discredited. It's just like, here's what we know for certain.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
But you kind of get the sense that he thinks that technology could have made its way over around 1947, 1952.
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Host 1
That's when he started seeing all the UFOs pop up. All the Roswell incidents.
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Sean
Yep.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, there was a big one. It was the. It was an incursion in 1952 where. And we talk about this in. In Psyop the series. I think it's episode five. But there was a deal in 1952 where over the White House and all these military installations. And you can look up the press conference on this. We play clips from it in the show. At the time, it was the most watched government broadcast of all time. This is 1952. It was two weekends in a row. These lights started showing up over the White House and military institutions. And so I encourage, like I said, people can go watch the press conference. It's wild. It's like these and 2. Everyone talks in, like, the 1950s. Like, leave it to Beaver, like, man. Yeah. We are here to say that there's lights for the White House. Yeah. What's going on? But they're in, like, their Air Force intelligence uniforms. And this was, like, a big deal at the time. Yeah. You know, and that's that when we kind of. In the show, we look at parallels between that and, like, the New Jersey drone incursion from, you know, I guess, last four fall or whatever. And there's a lot of similarities. But after that, after those lights started showing up and the military came on and says, look, we don't know what they are, but don't nobody freak out. It was very similar to. They said it in the 1950s. Please be right. But anyway, in the press conference, they had this other guy who's like, with all due respect to the general, I think these are interplanetary craft. And so it was a wild time. Had the nuts. Yeah.
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Sean
That'd have been crazy.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. But what happened is coming out of that, the government launched what they call the Robertson panel. And the Robertson Panel, it was like Eisenhower and Truman had a hand in it, and they were concerned about whatever was showing up. And so they commissioned this panel to investigate. And it was all these intelligence people and mathematicians and stuff. And so they ultimately, they released their findings eventually. And this is 1952. And they said, whatever it is, we don't know, but it doesn't seem to be a threat. But what they determined to be the threat was the hysteria that could result in people kind of freaking out. And they got very concerned, the Robertson panel, that if the American people thought that the military or the government was lying to them about this, it could cause a total disruption of social institutions. And so the outcome of the Robertson panel was like, whatever these are, we should keep an eye on, but we can't let this get out of control or everyone's gonna freak out. But that's led a lot of people to speculate that what came after that, which was, like, abduction stuff. And that's when things started getting weird. It wasn't just, you know, there was this guy named Kenneth Arnold, and he was an av, and if I'm going too far, I feel like I'm. I don't want to.
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Sean
You're good. We're going to interrupt you at a certain point, but this is too good.
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Jesse Dolphin
So this guy, Kenneth Arnold, around the same time, this is a wild story, and we kind of dig into it in the show and play some B roll and stuff from these interviews. But he's an aviator, and he's in the Pacific Northwest, and he sees crazy craft flying around him. But he. You know, he's a pretty. Like, this is be. This is before, like, the Internet, when everyone got weird, you know, like, it's like, you listen to interviews with these dudes, and it's like, oh, this is like talking to my grandfather. Like, they. You know what I mean? Like, they're not. There's no. They're not, like, BSing around. Yeah, they're like, no, man, this is out there. And it wasn't some conspiracy. It was like, someone should know about this. So he tells the military that he sees this craft. The military, you know, they do interviews with him, but he's not really satisfied with the efforts that they're putting in to investigate it. So, anyway, fast forward. A couple weeks later, there's a fisherman in the Puget Sound, and he's out there with his son, and he sees some craft flying over the Puget Sound, and it starts dumping some sort of, like, metallic liquid into the Puget Sound. And he recovers some of it, and, you know, he reports it, too. Again, this is. This is before people could just be on Reddit and watch videos and kind of convince themselves of stuff. And these guys had really no incentive to. To make this up. I mean, counter incentives.
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Host 2
Right.
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Jesse Dolphin
You know, and so. So anyway, he does the same thing. He's like, I got this material. And he's trying to get the military to, like, investigate because he' all concerned. Well, these reporters are like, we should call Kenneth Arnold. He saw something. Let's get him involved, because he's sort of become this advocate for transparency or at least investigation.
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Sean
Sure.
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Jesse Dolphin
So they bring him up, and I think it's in Seattle. And at this point, military Air Force intelligence. The Air Force had just been incorporated, so it just became a branch of the military a couple weeks before.
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Host 1
Wow.
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Jesse Dolphin
So they bring Kenneth Arnold to a hotel and they start interviewing him about what he saw. What he kind of speculates as Puget Sound things was he goes back to that office, the next day it's dismantled. Right. All these sort of weird espionage hijinks. He starts thinking people might be following him. A lot of weird stuff starts happening. Kenneth Arnold. So he ends up the. They end up giving him some of the crash material at one point to examine, to kind of give his thoughts. The Air Force intelligence guys end up saying, all right, Kenneth Arnold, we want to take this stuff that was. That was, you know, retrieved from the Puget Sound. We're going to take it and investigate it. So these Air Force intelligence Officers board a B25 and they're going to leave Seattle. They're going to take it back to the Air Force with this UFO material. Moments after it takes off, it crashes, of course. And so these are actually the first casualties of the Air Force were who crash in this. This flight. Wow. And the ufo, evidently, or whatever the material was, was never recovered, of course.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
But it's wild.
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Sean
But. But it's wild.
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Jesse Dolphin
Like when you. Because all this sounds like a movie.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
You know, but when you dig into the history of it, it's really interesting. But it also kind of, I think, grounds it a little in the idea that I'm totally open to whatever it is. But I think kind of taking the Occam's Razor approach, let's start with maybe this is conventional, highly exotic technology, but it doesn't originate from another planet. Like, if you start there, there's a lot of evidence that, well, maybe that is the case. And, you know. Yeah.
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Host 2
I mean, if you. If you reduce it to information, it's immediately palatable.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 2
Dude found something and said, I'm not sure I should have seen this. They come recover it they get on a plane and the plane goes down because of information. It's like, oh, wow, something happened.
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Jesse Dolphin
Well, and then too, and this is where like the psyop whole kind of aspect comes in is. So around this time, the Robertson panel also had this little footnote. They looked in American media of how many stories There were about UFOs, and there were like thousands, Right. They did the same thing. Because this is, you know, kind of the early stages of the Cold War at this stage, and the Soviets were the major concern. They didn't find one instance of one media story talking about UFOs. So our media is like, littered with it. Right. And our primary adversary at the time, this isn't even something that their people, you know, or even, you know, aware of.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
According to the media. So. So when this. The other kind of interesting anecdote is if you fast forward a little, UFO culture starts kind of taking off in the U.S. yeah. Right. And at this point, a lot of people, whether it's like someone like a Nick Cook who, you know, I think. I think he's. He speculates about what the origins of this are, but definitely open to the idea that it could be conventional, terrestrial, exotic breakthroughs and integrated technology. But, you know, people start thinking about aliens a lot around this time. So the other story, one of the other kind of anecdotes that we talk about is this happened. So if you fast forward a little this, like 1980 at this stage, and there's a guy named Paul Benowitz, and he lives right outside of Kirkland Airport base in New Mexico. And he's a veteran. He's a Coast Guard veteran, but again, like a real traditional, you know, not. Not some kind of. I don't want to say crazy. I don't be dismissed. But you get it. Like, this is he ran an electronics company. Like, he was a pretty successful. He had contracts with the government to sell, like, radio equipment. Really smart guy, like a electronics engineer. And he starts seeing weird lights flying around his house. And he has, like I said, he's like a electronics guy. So he starts filming. It's. And he's like, man, what is this? But again, he's a patriot, right? He was. He's a veteran. And so he takes it to Air Force officials, the footage. He's like, guys, we could trust them. Yeah, that's. Did not work out well for Paul. But so he. So long story short. Well, I guess I can tell long story long. He ends up. They're like, oh, man, this is. We should be concerned about this. They ended up assigning, like, a. An. An Air Force intelligence officer named Richard Doty, who's actually still around.
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Host 1
Yeah, I remember your documentary.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, it's crazy. So he's. He. They. He's kind of befriends him, and they're like, hey, we got to get to the bottom of this. You got to help the Air Force figure this out. You know, film whatever you can. Well, what Paul Bennett didn't know is that what he had filmed was experimental aircraft, likely early drone technology that was flying around Kirkland at the time. But instead of just saying, hey, man, you know, shut up.
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Host 1
Don't talk about it.
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Jesse Dolphin
Okay, let's keep those videos on the DL or whatever. They're like, no, we have to. We have to, like, gaslight this.
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Host 1
Gaslight the heck out of them.
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Jesse Dolphin
Shoot, dude, they started. Well, I mean, this went on for years, too. At one point, they were broadcasting into his house because he knew he had all this. He was. You know, had all the sensitive listening equipment. Like, he thought he was intercepting alien communication. He. At one point, they flew him over the desert, and they had constructed a fake crash retrieval area they had so messed up. They had, like, pipes coming out of the ground and, like, yeah, that's the underground base where we keep the aliens or whatever. And this went on for years. They. To the point where he believed an alien invasion was imminent.
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Sean
Yeah, why wouldn't you?
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Host 1
Well, didn't they also. You guys talk about how he. They put people in his lives that talked about them being alien abducted and stuff? Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So people would just show. So also, like, mutilated cows are showing up all over the place around his community, and he got super interested in, like, cattle mutilations, and he started going to these conferences, and then people would come to him. Like, he had some weird encounters. Like, there's one lady who got. I'm going to butcher some of the details, but she was, like, in a car accident near his home or something. Ended up at his house and told him that alien abduction story about her. He. He would start, like, speaking at conferences, and he was trying to blow the whistle. At one point, Richard Doty and some of these Air Force intelligence guys ended up giving him, like, a laptop that had all this. What. What they said was, like, legit research that. And it was. It was really wild stuff. Like, some of the research suggested that religious figures, you know, from. From all the major religions were actually, like, alien plants. And this is all made up stuff, right? Just a gaslight. But he would go and disseminate this within, like, the UFO community. And this is pre Internet. So now.
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Host 1
Let it spread.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. And he's actively trying to spread it to, like, warn people.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so you can trace a lot of, you know, the UFO lore of today, and especially sort of like, the weird, like, UFO religious stuff, like intersections to this. You know, some of those ideas were planted on a guy with the intention to deceive him. And he ended up losing his marbles.
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Host 1
Right.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. He had a psychiatric break and barricaded himself in a home with a shotgun. Convinced that aliens were after him and his family. He. You know, so he was institutionalized. He did recover to. You know, he didn't die in the. But he was institutionalized.
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Host 2
Like, dude, is that why Elon always says we're the aliens?
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Host 1
Probably, yeah.
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Sean
Have you seen Kenneth Copeland, though? I mean, look into his eyes. That dude is an alien.
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Jesse Dolphin
Especially if he's coming off that private. Yeah, yeah.
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Sean
Him and Joel Osteen, they've got some type of alien DNA.
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Host 1
Yeah. Well, speaking of losing your marbles, Jesse, do you want a song?
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Jesse Dolphin
Oh, I would love a song.
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Sean
I feel like the pod just
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Host 2
downhill from here.
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Host 1
People are going to be mad if we don't do a song.
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Jesse Dolphin
Song. I want to hear the song.
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Host 1
I'm trying to remember it. We'll just come up with something. What kind of. What kind of genre do you want, Jesse?
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Jesse Dolphin
Can we do a little. Little Midwest emo, or what do we got, you know?
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Host 1
Yeah, mix in some edm.
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Sean
Yeah, we can do that.
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Jesse Dolphin
That's easy.
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Sean
Acoustic guitar. That's easy.
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Jesse Dolphin
I can hear it.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
Also.
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Host 1
I got it.
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Sean
Got it.
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Jesse Dolphin
Okay.
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Host 1
All right. Don't trust the lights don't trust the news I don't trust the ground beneath my shoes I wonder if this world is even real if I can even trust the way that I feel Know how this sounds?
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Sean
I can hear it, too but the more I ignore the more that it's true they tell me what to fear Then sell the cure don't know how much more I can endure Is it
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Host 1
all psyop
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Sean
or do I have schizophrenia? Is it just a psyop? The reason I can't trust you Am I broken awake? How much more can I take?
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Host 1
Is it all a psy up or did I just poop my pants?
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Jesse Dolphin
That was really good. I like it.
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Sean
It wasn't a psyop.
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Jesse Dolphin
I was gonna say maybe it was both.
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Sean
Turns out I just had a bad bean burrito for breakfast.
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Jesse Dolphin
Guys, it's so.
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Sean
Sorry.
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Host 1
It smells.
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Jesse Dolphin
Guys, the government's on to me.
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Host 1
They put the spoof in my pants. It's in my jeans.
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Jesse Dolphin
I promise. That was the government.
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Sean
Come on.
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Jesse Dolphin
That was very impressive.
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Host 1
Hey, thanks, man.
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Sean
It's all you.
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Host 1
It's all for you.
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Jesse Dolphin
We should add it to the series.
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Host 1
Yeah. That be Sean.
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Jesse Dolphin
I'll see what Sean thinks. Yeah. Sean, please.
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Sean
That's all we're banging. We'd love to have him on the pod if we just get to know that he heard our song about psyops and poop.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, I would. I can likely arrange that, at least for me.
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Sean
That would be great.
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Host 1
Oh, but unfortunately, we have to. We have to do something, Jesse.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, let's do it.
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Host 1
Before we move on. I don't know if you've seen our show, but I know you're in the business of asking the hard questions and answering them, and so I just feel like it's just appropriate for you to answer this question.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Let's hear it.
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Sean
Do we got to do this? Yeah, we have to.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
I'm, I'm. I'm willing here.
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Host 2
We owe it. We owe it to the people.
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Sean
Yeah. Owe it to Sean.
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Host 1
We do. To Sean. This question is for Sean, but Jesse's going to answer it. Today's question, sent in by our viewer.
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Jesse Dolphin
Okay,
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Host 1
Jesse, are psyops good? It's a yes or no. I don't know if I. Yeah, I,
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Jesse Dolphin
I remember that from. From previous guests. Yeah, I, I, I have a feeling you're looking for a straight answer that is in no way a setup. I'm gonna say psyops are no good. I know. I, I think I disappointed the room.
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Sean
Just when I thought this was going good.
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Jesse Dolphin
I know.
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Sean
Just when I thought this was going well.
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Host 1
This must be a psyop, because I don't. I don't. I don't know, Jesse, what you're thinking.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Because obviously, psyop.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Host 1
Stands for practice smiles. Yearly and often. Public services, obviously.
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Sean
Obviously.
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Host 1
Making the world a better place.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
Really.
- [26:13]
Sean
Jesse comes here and he says, no, that's not a good idea.
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Host 1
No. Everyone, Everyone frown and don't help the public.
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Host 2
Right after we sang him a song.
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Host 1
Right after we sing. And it's. It's. We try to put smiles on people's faces.
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Sean
We try to service the public.
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Host 1
And Jesse's over here going, don't smile.
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Sean
Stop it.
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Host 1
Stop helping.
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Jesse Dolphin
No joy.
- [26:32]
Host 1
No joy. Instead, boo.
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Jesse Dolphin
I want to.
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Host 1
Just want to scare you.
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Sean
No joy.
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Jesse Dolphin
Jesse.
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Sean
That's what they call him.
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Host 1
They do that. I heard that's what they call him.
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Jesse Dolphin
No joy on the streets.
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Host 1
Jesse.
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Sean
No joy. Jesse no care. Carrie.
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Host 1
Yeah. Yep.
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Jesse Dolphin
I don't know. I don't know how you guys found out that that was.
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Sean
Now it seems obvious.
- [26:49]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, I mean, that's why my parents went with this name, you know? Well, they knew right out of the gate.
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Host 1
I'm sad. I'm disappointed.
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Jesse Dolphin
We could. You could do the song again and lift it.
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Host 1
No, that won't. It won't help anymore.
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Sean
Everyone's already upset.
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Host 2
I don't think we can fix this.
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Host 1
I guess you guys heard here first. Jesse wants you to be sad and depressed.
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Jesse Dolphin
Let's. And that's the message.
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Host 1
That's why he's here. To make you sad. To make you, I don't know, question everything about yourself.
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Sean
It's public. To suffer.
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Host 1
He even said. I think he said, like, oh, no, let's move on.
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Host 2
Welcome.
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Jesse Dolphin
Did I say nature? I meant butterfly.
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Host 1
The butterfly is no doubt one of God's most.
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Sean
You were martial arts.
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Host 1
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Not even a little. Most people are trying to still figure it out. Kind of like us.
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Sean
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Jesse Dolphin
That applies whether you're working on a
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Host 1
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Sean
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Sean
That's better. H E L P.com/ninjas. Thank you. Better help. We love you.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Don't make a fat joke.
- [29:39]
Sean
Don't make a fat joke. Me?
- [29:45]
Host 1
No.
- [29:45]
Sean
What do you. Okay, just. You said fat joke, and you look directly at me.
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Host 1
That's the only thing I welcome.
- [29:51]
Jesse Dolphin
All right, thank you for having me, guys.
- [29:53]
Host 1
I think you win for the the longest cold open. Well, that was so great, though.
- [30:00]
Jesse Dolphin
Well, I feel bad. Did I ruin that show? Okay.
- [30:03]
Sean
People love that.
- [30:05]
Host 1
People complain.
- [30:07]
Jesse Dolphin
You guys don't talk about the cool stuff until the last bit of the podcast.
- [30:10]
Host 1
Yeah. Jokes on you. We talked at the beginning, and now we're going to talk about not fun.
- [30:14]
Jesse Dolphin
That was all downhill.
- [30:16]
Host 1
Just kidding. Okay, so you sent us the. The link to side, which when this comes out, it will be available to the.
- [30:24]
Jesse Dolphin
Check it out.
- [30:25]
Sean
The new podcast by Aaron Clad. Yeah, it's just called Psyop, Right.
- [30:28]
Jesse Dolphin
Target Intelligence. Psyop.
- [30:29]
Sean
Target Intelligence. Psyop.
- [30:31]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [30:32]
Host 1
What's your involvement on the show? You're so.
- [30:34]
Jesse Dolphin
I was, like, the primary writer.
- [30:35]
Host 1
Okay. Sick dude.
- [30:37]
Sean
Amazing storytelling.
- [30:38]
Jesse Dolphin
Oh, thank you. Thank you.
- [30:40]
Sean
Fun. Because, I mean, it just. It didn't stay on something too long, the way you incorporate all the clips, the sounds. Oh, my God. Gosh, it was perfect.
- [30:48]
Jesse Dolphin
Oh, thank you. And so much credit, obviously, to the ironclad team and Sean and his team, too. Like, we had a great team working on it.
- [30:55]
Host 1
It was so good. I was listening to it yesterday. Like, you just sent it yesterday. I'm, like, almost four episodes in. It's so good. But there are some things that I got out of that I just wanted to ask you.
- [31:07]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
- [31:09]
Host 1
One of them was just the. What was it? The unrestricted warfare that you guys talked about. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of warfare things that we talked. You talked about unrestricted warfare, cognitive warfare, smokeless war. Yeah, I'm just like, these are all new terms, and it's crazy, but can you give us a rundown? The unrestricted warfare? Because that was. Yeah, just.
- [31:31]
Jesse Dolphin
And I think that's really the principle that if people want to understand just kind of the idea of psyops. Right. So there were these two Chinese military colonels. This is in the early 90s. And almost as like a thought experiment, they were trying to figure out how can you beat an adversary that is militarily and tactically and financially superior? And at the time, that was something that the Chinese military had to contend with since World War II. But as they were kind of this rising superpower they were looking at, there's a real possibility they'll never catch up to the United States in terms of just military might. Now, I will say, and we talk about this later in the series, they're rapidly catching up for a lot of reasons, particularly technological ones that we can get into. Yeah, but, you know, so these two guys wrote this, wrote this whole plan called unrestricted warfare and ended up getting kind of published. And you can buy a copy on Amazon. But the crux of it is if you can't beat them externally through conventional means, you have to launch a plan to defeat them from within. And how you do that is you first, you erode trust in basic social institutions. So that can be everything from the idea of family. It could be the church, it could be the government, it could be the military, it could be law enforcement. And so if you slowly start to erode that trust, that can actually turn into an adversarial relationship. And then what you want to do is you want to make people confused about what is real and what is not real, and let the people of a country not even be able to determine truth from misinformation. And then you want to tribalize people, so you want people to. And this goes beyond partisanship. This, this goes into making people very worried about their own neighbors, even, you know, beyond politics. Like, anyone who kind of sees the world differently isn't just someone who I might not, you know, theoretically get along with. It's a threat to my safety. And so if you. And they. And then they also actually talk about how can you inspire, it gets kind of dark, like violence and social unrest and, you know, assassins and things like that. And they. So this, this was planned, was in the early 90s, and it was kind of a long tail thing. And so they were. They have kind of been vocally looking for methods to apply these unrestricted warfare methods into American culture to weaken the United States from within. And so if you Fast forward like 30 years, and especially you look at the advent of the Internet, and we
- [34:27]
Sean
still have no signs we're doing good. So everyone keep an Eye out for any of these signs. If you see it, say something.
- [34:33]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [34:33]
Sean
So far we're good.
- [34:34]
Host 1
We're all getting along.
- [34:35]
Sean
Yeah.
- [34:35]
Host 1
In the United States, there's no tribalism.
- [34:38]
Sean
We all trust everyone.
- [34:39]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [34:39]
Sean
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
Well, and then you look at the most prominent social media platform, that's TikTok, which is owned by a company called ByteDance. And ByteDance is based in China and there is no private institutions in China. The CCP ultimately can do whatever they want, not just with the data, but algorithm manipulation. And we dive into this a little bit, but with TikTok in particular. And there's all this legislation right now and who knows what's going to happen. There's a lot of start and stops with it, but some particularly insidious things that are baked into the TikTok algorithm that Western audiences will get that behind the great firewall. Like In China, their TikTok algorithm is completely different.
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Host 1
So. Well, you guys talked about like in the west there's like a ton of videos being pushed, like an algorithm, like self harm. Just everything that is just terrible for your mental state of mind.
- [35:41]
Sean
Yeah.
- [35:42]
Host 1
But in China they're like pushing like math and science and like all these engineering is on there. And you guys mentioned also like the, like, if it's like 14 and younger or something in China where you can only be on the app for like
- [35:56]
Jesse Dolphin
45 minutes or something and it has a hard. That's. That's like a legal thing and. Yeah, golly. Where. And there's even things like how the app works at different times a day. That's like depriving kids of sleep and it's like harming. It's. You know, there's been measurable harm. There's legislation that is in Congress right now where you have kids who have developed like eating disorders and things and they, and they attribute it to these social media algorithms. We had on a woman, her name's Frances Haugen. And so she was a former executive at Facebook at the time. Meta now. And she, you know, the social network too, that's actually coming out. She. That's actually based on her story. So. So it'll be kind of. I don't know if she's involved with the film, but. But we got to talk to her. And she worked for Facebook's counter espionage team. And so this is around like 2019. And basically they had said like, hey, misinformation is becoming a problem. You got to, you know, we'll assemble a team and try to figure out some solutions to this. Well, what she found was that, you know, because they have all this powerful, you know, data tracking stuff that most of these kind of hostile actors, for a lot of them, where. Whether it was. Whether it was misinformation or just straight up, like. Excuse me, like fake accounts, like trying to stir people up, like someone going into, like, let's say it was like
- [37:26]
Host 1
troll farming or something.
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Jesse Dolphin
So, like, let's say there was. There was groups. They were target. Like, mom groups. They were target groups that were like, you know, advocates for the law enforcement community. And they would go in there and just kind of stir up trouble. And it looked like, you know, Bob, the, you know, the Red Sox fan who's just really passionate about whatever, you know, issue is, is kind of the hot thing.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
When in reality, her team was able to find that these were foreign troll farms. Right. The main one was. And again, I feel if I'm monopolizing any of this, let me know. We're learning.
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Host 2
I'm enjoying.
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Sean
This is why we have you here.
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Jesse Dolphin
This is great. So the main troll farm was called the Internet Research Agency. It sounds really nice.
- [38:13]
Sean
Sounds nice.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. Doesn't it? They're just doing Internet research.
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [38:16]
Sean
Come on.
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Jesse Dolphin
But it was founded by a guy named Yegeny Prigozhin. And Prigozhin, he's no longer with us because people might know him better as the founder of the Wagner group, a mercenary group that.
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Host 1
Is he the one that took up arms and was, like, marching.
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Jesse Dolphin
He was back on. Yes.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And he died in helicopter crash. So his story real quick, and then I'll get into the Internet Research Agency. He was. He was basically like, kind of a. Just like a Russian thug. And ended up serving time in Russian prison. And while there, he kind of got pretty entrenched in the Russian criminal underworld. He gets out. You know, he's this weird guy because as much as he is like this, like, street thug, you know, and there's some really crazy videos of him, like, don't even go down that rabbit hole of, like, on the. In the Ukraine war doing terrible things. But, like, so anyway, when he gets out of prison, he is also, like, equal parts sort of entrepreneur. And so he starts a catering company. You know, I think he had, like, food carts at one point, but he ends up getting military contracts and to do, like, massive, like, catering deals for Russian state events for the military. I mean, it ends up being, like, tens of millions of dollars. There's a picture of him at one point. I think it was Bush. I think it was W. Was in. Was at Like a Soviet state dinner. And Prigozhin is there as like the head caterer or whatever.
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Sean
Crazy.
- [39:49]
Jesse Dolphin
So anyway, he leverages all these military.
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Host 1
The catering wasn't like a cover. Like he was actually doing catering.
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Jesse Dolphin
He was, but he was passionate. He. But he was also like using it to. I don't know if he was like bribing Russia. Let's just say he made a lot of money from a catering.
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Host 1
Like more than you should from catering.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, exactly. And so he uses that money and he's always kind of thinking about like the next thing and he starts the Internet research Agency and basically like, I think it was initially like 200 people and it was like minimum wage jobs. But he. It was. It was kind of one of the OG like troll farms and companies could go in and hire. Hire them to go. Like, let's say there was like a company that was a competitor and they wanted to cause that company stock to go down or something like that. They could hire these guys to go basically kind of stir stuff up online and create a public perception thing. And so companies would pay them to do like these massive misinformation or like kind of negative campaigns against different companies kind of under the radar.
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Host 1
And forgive my ignorance, but is that illegal or not illegal at the time?
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Jesse Dolphin
No, technically not illegal. Right, but everything, A lot of stuff in the kind of the Prigozhin world is on the border of criminality. But when it did get illegal was other governments started saying, hey, we will pay you to. To stir up some social unrest. And so this happened in the Tigray region of Ethiopia. Like Francis Alginstein was able to trace a lot of crazy activity to some of these Russian and foreign troll farms where, I mean, people died, you know, I mean, Facebook being hired by other
- [41:41]
Sean
organizations, government agencies or countries or whatever to do that.
- [41:44]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, exactly. So like, let's say there's like a, like a mine that has like valuable rare earth mineral minerals or something in Ethiopia. Or there is someone who for political reasons would benefit from social unrest there. They would go up. They would create essentially like rumors online against these two. Like whether it's like ethnic groups or social groups. And in that case, you know, Facebook is currently being sued. I think the lawsuit is still tied up and who knows what will ever become of it. But Francis Haugen seems the one who uncovered it. There was a professor in Ethiopia who. There was all these Internet rumors going that he was helping to fund this rebel group. And anyway, he came home from his. He got fired from his job. He Shows up to his driveway night, he gets fired. Guys on motorcycles come and shoot him right in the driveway.
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Host 1
And he was just completely innocent.
- [42:34]
Jesse Dolphin
Completely innocent. He.
- [42:35]
Host 1
But just a random dude.
- [42:36]
Jesse Dolphin
But yeah, the goal was to. That was the outcome of the goal.
- [42:41]
Sean
Yeah.
- [42:41]
Jesse Dolphin
Start a cycle of violence, create political unrest. And in the vacuum of authority, powerful institutions can go in. They saw this in Myanmar too.
- [42:51]
Sean
I mean, that was bloody and terrible, wasn't it? Yeah, over thousands of people.
- [42:56]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. Hundreds of thousands were displaced and. But it was, you know, I mean, it wasn't a dissimilar method when you look at like the Rwanda genocide or something, but it was a different technology. Like. Yeah, like that was traditional radio. Right. Where kind of turning neighbor against neighbor and starting this fear. They were weaponizing it and doing it through the Internet Research Agency. And so other countries, I mean, they were, at one point it was getting super sophisticated where they were hiring kids in, I think it was like Pakistan. And they would pay them to, to create. They would scrape social media sites of like real people's photos and set up like whole fake Personas of, of people that just look like, you know, wholesome American families or whatever, but they have outrageous views about something or just kicking the hornet's nest. So. And they were able to leverage it. And, and, and to, to a large extent, that's still going on, you know, but now they can do it through bots and stuff too.
- [43:54]
Host 1
So probably all the negative comments we get are just some Pakistani kids paid by Russia.
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Jesse Dolphin
That's right.
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Sean
It's from the ira.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So now you know where that's.
- [44:02]
Sean
I feel better about now.
- [44:03]
Host 1
Yeah, yeah.
- [44:04]
Jesse Dolphin
If anyone's hating on the song or anything like that, you know. Exactly.
- [44:08]
Host 1
Get out of here.
- [44:08]
Jesse Dolphin
And you can't sing.
- [44:09]
Sean
Yeah, okay.
- [44:10]
Jesse Dolphin
Russians. Yeah. Thanks Putin. Thanks, Vlad. No, but yeah. Prigozhin ended up starting a mercenary group called the Wagner Group, which during the early days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Putin hired them to kind of do a lot of the front lines fighting. This was at the time when they were expecting that conflict to be, you know, a couple weeks or a couple months to kind of do the dirty work so that he wouldn't have to conscript Russian citizens any. And so Prigozhin, basically, he. He knew the prison system in Russia so well that they. He made a deal. He would go from prison to prison. Right. This is post. This is a couple of years. This is like, I don't know, four years ago now. He was going from prison to prison with the blessing of the Russian government. And saying, listen, your sentence is over if you go to the front lines. If you make it through the deployment, you're free. Right. And so he was going and recruiting from prison to prison and building up this mercenary group, bringing them to the front lines. And I mean, they were. These weren't professional soldiers. Right. So, like, all kinds of horrible things were happening, but also, like, the Russian government stopped supplying them with ammunition and basic supplies, and they were kind of on their own, just. And Prigozhin got so mad that he's like, he got them all. He basically rallied his troops who were. Who were on the front lines of Ukraine and marched and was heading back towards Moscow and was going to march on Moscow. And he was so angry that they left him high and dry with ammunition. And this was a big deal. I mean, there's only a news story for, like, a couple days.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
But they ended up, you know, kind of negotiating, and so they. They stopped the march. And a couple days later, Prigozhin got on a helicopter, go to a business meeting, and there was a. Oh, a mysterious mechanical malfunction that happened in the
- [46:05]
Sean
night that, like, that was, like, over.
- [46:07]
Host 1
I think so.
- [46:08]
Sean
Yeah. Never seen the footage of that.
- [46:09]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. A mysterious mechanical malfunction.
- [46:12]
Sean
That's crazy.
- [46:13]
Jesse Dolphin
And that's where. Yeah. Prigozhin story.
- [46:15]
Host 1
Accidents happen.
- [46:17]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [46:17]
Host 1
Oopsie.
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Jesse Dolphin
But. But all I say is you can trace a lot of this back to this philosophy of unrestricted warfare. Yeah. Where how can you weaponize emotion? Right. Like, it's not about technological superiority, it's about psychological superiority.
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Host 1
Yeah. Well, hearing that, instantly you think of what's happening in America right now and what has been happening, truthfully, like, I mean, since like, 2020. Before 2020, you know, like, just the division in America and like. Like, everything is just, like, fueled by social media. Yeah. And it's like. And then you hear this stuff of, like, pump these troll farms and this misinformation stuff, and then you just start to question what is real.
- [47:01]
Jesse Dolphin
Well, and when. And to that point, too, beyond just, like, straight up political partisan partisanship or whatever, or like, you know, you're being conditioned to, like, hate someone who believes different or looks different or thinks different about whatever kind of social or moral issue, that idea of questioning what is real. So another figure in Russia was this guy Surkov, and he ended up being, like, the Minister of Communications or the equivalent, essentially. He was a propagandist. Right. But he's very high up in the Kremlin for a long time, but his background was in theater like, he was kind of a theater kid and he loved particularly Russian, like, avant garde sci fi. And there was a movie called Stalker. So the premise of this movie, you can watch it online. It's like a black and white. It's pretty. It's actually kind of rad. I kind of did a deep dive into it. But so in the movie, right, It's a sci fi movie. So they kind of intuit that there's this, like, UFO crash or whatever, and it's created this zone where you're. You can't go to, like, if you're a regular person. But at the heart of this zone, apparently there's a room. And if you make it to the room, you can get whatever wish you want, whatever your desires are, but you have to make it through the zone. But in the, in the, in the film, you know, troops are like guarding the edge of the zone. It's very dangerous. And you have to hire these guys called stalkers to kind of sneak you in there. And you have to try anyway. In the zone, reality breaks down. So if you drop a pencil, maybe it'll float, maybe it'll fall, right? Like anything, you know, it's very true. Like, I don't know, you guys. David lynch fans. It's like very Lynchian imagery in the film. Well, Surkoff got really fascinated with this idea of the Zone. Like, what if you can make people question what is real and what is not and how the world operates? And he decided to apply that idea to propaganda, of course. And so he decided. So, like, at one point, there was these different groups that, I'm trying to remember the details at the time, but they were basically came from opposing sides of, like, the political and social spectrum. And what he did was as. As a member of the Kremlin, he started secretly funding all of them. Right? Then he leaked information that the Kremlin was funding these different groups. And so all of them started pointing at the other when they were like, can you believe it? They're being funded by the Kremlin. So all of a sudden, everyone's right, but no one believes each other. Wow. And so he created like this zone of confusion intentionally that it didn't look bad for the Kremlin. It turned all of them against each other because no one trusted each other anymore. And so he was sort of. That was his philosophy of, like, old school Soviet propaganda is like the Shepard Fairey Obey posters, you know, like, really clear. This is what we want you to think. Right?
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
Where the sort of the Surkoff method was we just don't want you to know what is real and what is not. And in the vacuum of that truth, we can just hold authority. And so it was a totally different method of misinformation. And so you see a lot of that too.
- [50:26]
Sean
Right now I'm just learning that we need to just really advocate for people to pursue their passions when they realize what their passions are. We have this guy with theater, we have the other guy with catering, we have that other guy with art school. We just gotta find the kids passions at a young age and we got to push them.
- [50:45]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, we got it. Because they get ideas afterwards. It'll lead somewhere.
- [50:50]
Host 1
Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, so when. What's the. Is this guy still alive or is this a while ago surk off?
- [50:56]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah, he's still alive. He's sort of on the outs with the Kremlin right now. That's one thing. No one, whether it's, you know, Prigozhin or circa forever, no one stays close to that level of power, especially in Russia for a variety of reasons, mostly like corruption and things like that. Sometimes people know too much and become a liability. He's still alive though. He. There was an interview.
- [51:17]
Sean
Get him on the pod.
- [51:18]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, he actually did an interview. It was like three months ago. But he had been silent for a couple years. He's not an old guy, like he's reasonably young. Yeah, he was sort of this wonderkin
- [51:29]
Sean
and it makes me wonder if like America ever does like, I mean I'm sure we, you know, like Von Braun or von Buren, whatever. Yeah, yeah, we brought him over. It's like I want like you never know just who we're. They're also bringing over to America to say, hey, you know, use your talents elsewhere. Well, you know, I mean just, you're doing it really well. A lot of things work.
- [51:46]
Host 1
Yeah, it's like, like a modern day project Paperclip.
- [51:49]
Sean
Yeah, why not? I mean it's a different type of warfare we gotta capitalize on.
- [51:52]
Host 2
All I'm taking away is Karen's are victims.
- [51:54]
Sean
Yes, that's true. Yeah, it's propaganda.
- [51:57]
Host 2
I mean they've got the Chinese government, the Russian government against them and we're over here hating Karen's.
- [52:03]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. By the way, Surkoff's mom was named Karen and he hated her.
- [52:11]
Sean
She's the worst.
- [52:13]
Jesse Dolphin
No, but there's definitely stuff that happens with our own intelligence. Like even going back to the UFO thing. Right. So the Richard Doty like Paul Bennetwood Steel where they're running like this Gaslighting side, because ultimately it was the same thing. Like this guy saw too much, right?
- [52:28]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [52:28]
Jesse Dolphin
So how do we protect a national security secret?
- [52:31]
Host 1
That's a crazy way to protect it.
- [52:32]
Jesse Dolphin
It is to like basically let him. It's not to sort of protect the information, it's to discredit the messenger and make people believe, not know what to believe. Like, there was a guy we talk about, name was Leon Davidson, and he's not, he's kind of an obscure figure, but you can look, you can actually read some of these memos and stuff he wrote. So this guy worked on the Manhattan Project and he had like high level DOD clearance and he, around the time he was working was around the time MK Ultra was first kicking off. And so for MK Ultra, ultimately was the quest to see if drugs could be used to essentially as a method of mind control, particularly massive doses of lsd. But around that same time. So the government's already really interested in actively experimenting with mind control, in this case on their own people. Leon Davidson claims that they were so concerned about hiding advanced aviation technology, again, this guy worked on the Manhattan Project, that they were using drugs covertly, particularly psychedelics, on people who had encountered aviation technology that the government was developing. And then, so they would drug them and then create like an alien encounter experience at some point. He claims, Leon Davidson claims that Walt Disney theme park designers were actually hired to construct fake crash sites that they would like. So let's say you're someone who works in the Air Force and you saw something you probably shouldn't have seen, right? Well, they, you know, what he was sort of suggesting is they would covertly drug you to elicit this psychedelic experience and then take you to some place where you're like, oh my gosh, there's aliens here. Right.
- [54:25]
Sean
Also, there's a hidden Mickey at least.
- [54:28]
Jesse Dolphin
Is that goofy? Yeah.
- [54:30]
Host 2
Harsh.
- [54:30]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, but. But yeah, I mean, and so there are any intelligence agency is, you know, counterintelligence is and, and cointelpro and all this stuff. Like everyone's just as active. It's just like the Chinese. And like we talked to this guy who's a expert in kind of geopolitics named Bill Gertz. And he. There's this Chinese philosophy, it's something like deceive the sky to cross the ocean. Right? Like he talks about, have you guys seen Three Body problem?
- [55:05]
Host 1
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [55:06]
Sean
So good.
- [55:07]
Jesse Dolphin
So that is a Chinese novel, right? But like the weakness of aliens is they can't lie or whatever, right. Where the method of winning is deception. And that is, like, ingrained in Chinese military philosophy where, you know, and that's where it kind of comes into the Psyops, and particularly like the unrestricted warfare idea. Yeah.
- [55:29]
Sean
It's so crazy.
- [55:30]
Host 1
Is there. Is there more proof that Disney was involved in that stuff?
- [55:34]
Jesse Dolphin
No, I don't think anything outside of Leon Davidson, but he's. He's a credible figure.
- [55:38]
Host 1
I mean, it is weird that Disney had von Braun.
- [55:40]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [55:42]
Host 1
Like, on their early Walt Disney specials, you know, where you'd be talking about the rockets and it's like.
- [55:47]
Jesse Dolphin
Well, yeah, I mean, we had Nazi.
- [55:48]
Sean
We also. I mean, we talked about that one Nazi that he was. I can't remember his name now, but he was a. He was the interrogator that, like, changed the whole game for the FBI interrogation technique. But he's the one that created the murals, the Cinderella Castle murals at Disney. Well, and it's like that's. I mean, like, there's such a amount of overlap where it's like, this just seems strange.
- [56:08]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. And like I said, this is. He's not around anymore, Leon Davidson, you know, but like, like I said, I don't think there's anything that's verifiable other than his. What he said happened, but he's not a discreditable figure, you know?
- [56:23]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [56:23]
Jesse Dolphin
But there. Even with von Braun, and there's so much. This is a rabbit trail. But, like, there's so much weird stuff with the rocket tree program. Like, we've.
- [56:31]
Host 1
We've talked about it a little bit in, like, especially with Jesse Michaels.
- [56:34]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [56:35]
Host 1
Getting into it and stuff with, like, the occult stuff and like, just weird. Even today, like, a lot of occult symbolism within NASA and like, it's. It's whack.
- [56:47]
Jesse Dolphin
Well, that's another. Another project I've been interested in doing now. We did Black Project, and Psyop is. It's a look at. Have you guys. Are you familiar with, like, the Jack Parsons story,
- [57:00]
Host 1
say.
- [57:01]
Sean
I don't know.
- [57:02]
Jesse Dolphin
So. So he was. This is a rabbit trail from the side deal. But, like, he. He corresponded with Warner Von Braun. So Jack Parsons, like the father of American rocketry.
- [57:15]
Host 1
That's right. Okay.
- [57:16]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, he was a young guy. I mean, he died early, like early mid-30s. Again, kind of suspicious circumstances.
- [57:21]
Sean
Helicopter crash. It was no big deal. Yeah.
- [57:23]
Jesse Dolphin
He blew up in his own workshop, like, tinkering with stuff. But he. So this was a dude who wasn't, like. He was kind of an outsider as a kid, you know, but was just obsessed with blowing stuff up. And he lived in Pasadena. And so he kind of had a troubled upbringing, but he didn't have, like, a formal education. But him and his buddies were always just blowing stuff up. And anyway, you fast forward to his, like, mid-20s, and he's sort of like this savant when it comes to rocketry, and he ends up founding jpl, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is still operational. Yeah, but Jack Parsons, that was his company was jpl, and they got massive military contracts and he was developing some crazy rocketry stuff. Like I said at the time, he was corresponding with Warner Von Braun. Well, at the same time he's doing all of this, he's living in a mansion with Aleister Crowley, which. Aleister Crowley is, you know, maybe the. The modern era's most preeminent occultist.
- [58:20]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [58:21]
Jesse Dolphin
And they were. They started their own weird religion called Thelma, where they're trying to summon entities that they believe would bestow them power. And then comes along, L. Ron Hubbard comes into the picture.
- [58:39]
Host 1
We talked about this a little bit.
- [58:41]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. Elron Hubbard at one point stole Jack Parsons boat and they had falling out. But. But anyway, him and Aleister Crowley remained close, but Jack Parsons, so the father of modern rocketry was deeply, deeply into the occult. It's just a weird history.
- [58:57]
Host 1
It's weird.
- [58:57]
Sean
There's so many people that are involved within, you know, rocketry and NASA and all that stuff. And it's like, why does NASA find it such a high priority to hire these people? That. I mean, that's not something you just dabble in. The occultism is like. That's something that, like, takes up a lot of time and energy and a lot of thought. And yet that's a priority for them to, like, have that type of thinking on board.
- [59:19]
Jesse Dolphin
And I've thought about it a lot, too, especially when I started working on this series, like, because I think initially it was sort of. When you look at all the. All these topics, Right. You kind of look at it well, it's either conventional and there's a lot of weird coincidences or there's something weird going on behind the scenes, you know.
- [59:39]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [59:40]
Jesse Dolphin
But I think there's also like, the third way of thinking about it is like, there are institutions where it's convenient for people to believe something weird is happening, too. So even, like the stuff with, like, NASA. Right. I know, like, Diana Pasulka talks a lot about, like, the. The mission patches or. Or each of these missions are named after, like, an entity. Gemini. Apollo. Like, you know. Right. And is that. Is there some significance to that or is it convenient For NASA to have people question, hey, man, maybe they have
- [60:11]
Host 1
kind of reverting back to that psyop.
- [60:13]
Jesse Dolphin
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And I think, I think a lot of stuff in the space, you kind of have to at least entertain that suggestion, you know.
- [60:21]
Sean
But either way, but either way, it's still kind of malicious in a way.
- [60:25]
Jesse Dolphin
Oh, it's definitely malicious.
- [60:27]
Sean
Like no matter what way you go, it's like, well, why are you doing that?
- [60:30]
Jesse Dolphin
Well, and I think the reason, and this is one thing, not that I struggle with, but just kind of thinking through it like I do. So, like with the unrestricted warfare thing, like their ultimate goal. Right. If you're a Chinese colonel, is self preservation. Right. I have to take down an adversary. And if I'm just thinking about this pragmatically. Right. And I know they would beat us if it got to a gunfight. Right. Or if our navies went at it or whatever. Well, what? Yeah, it's a thought experiment. How could I defend my own country? And you come up with this plan and all of a sudden it's an evil plan, but your ultimate ambition is self preservation. I also think in the national security space, I think some of the technology and we can talk about these direct energy weapons and stuff, some of these technologies are so powerful. Right. That if they fell into the wrong hands or were turned against each other, it's almost like a lesser of two evils type of situation that some of these intelligence officials are. It's like we can either take every measure we can to protect this secret, including weaponizing. And I'm not, I'm not justifying it, but you could see the thought process, understanding it. Yeah. If you said like, hey, I have a weapon that is in our possession that does crazy things, that seems like sci fi. It is ours. Right. And we can use it against people. But if it fell into the wrong hands or even people knew it existed, it could threaten humanity. Right. What measures would you go to. To hide?
- [61:55]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [61:55]
Jesse Dolphin
And so you can see where they go through. Well, let's just, let's just gaslight people into thinking there's aliens. And, and I'm not saying, I'm not saying there aren't. Right. Like I'm, I'm totally open to that idea, but you also have to kind of go through the intellectual exercise.
- [62:11]
Host 1
Sure.
- [62:11]
Jesse Dolphin
Of what would you do to protect something like this? You know?
- [62:15]
Host 2
You know, the scariest thing about this narrative though, is the fact that you saw a craft.
- [62:20]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. What is your story? I'm curious.
- [62:25]
Host 1
Well, mine was with my me and my wife. This was what, four years ago?
- [62:29]
Sean
Yeah, a little more than that.
- [62:31]
Host 1
Four or five years ago, we were in our yard and she saw it too. So it's not just me being a weirdo, especially because I have this podcast. People really don't.
- [62:42]
Host 2
I was thinking about the Tennessee one after you were already, like, on this, like, trail. They're like, yeah, let's. Let's utilize him to keep him going.
- [62:50]
Host 1
True.
- [62:51]
Host 2
Yeah.
- [62:51]
Host 1
But the one that we saw on the. Me and My Wife, it was. I've said it so many times, but it was this giant V because of this. And it was like you couldn't see it except for the rim of it. Yeah. And it was like a full moon, so it almost seemed like the moon was, like, reflecting off of it. But, I mean, it was huge. Yeah, it was completely silent.
- [63:11]
Jesse Dolphin
She's.
- [63:11]
Host 1
My wife screamed. I'm like, what is that? And then it was gone. And then I was like.
- [63:16]
Jesse Dolphin
And that was here in Tennessee or Florida?
- [63:18]
Host 1
Yeah, it was here in Florida. And I looked and it was like, flying towards, like, Cape Canaveral area. So I'm like. I immediately thought it was like a craft, like a government craft or whatever.
- [63:29]
Host 2
It was also, like, it wasn't like a. Like a discus sort of thing. I mean, it was.
- [63:34]
Host 1
It was very.
- [63:35]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah.
- [63:36]
Host 2
B2 bomber. Ish. But huge.
- [63:38]
Host 1
Anyways, they like, totally freaked me out.
- [63:41]
Sean
For, to be fair, you guys had done just a ton amount of LSD as well.
- [63:47]
Jesse Dolphin
We were doing, you know, kind of MK Ultra deal.
- [63:49]
Sean
Yeah, just like holding a Dorito over your face.
- [63:51]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [63:52]
Host 1
Well, speaking of secret weapons, I want to talk more about that right after this side because I gotta pee.
- [64:02]
Sean
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- [65:29]
Host 1
Sick. That was a great PE break.
- [65:31]
Sean
Yeah, it was that.
- [65:33]
Host 1
I had to go so bad.
- [65:34]
Host 2
Yeah.
- [65:35]
Jesse Dolphin
Green.
- [65:35]
Host 2
It was becoming all I could think about.
- [65:37]
Host 1
I saw a video on TikTok yesterday, and it's a lady, and she specializes in helping people not pee a lot.
- [65:45]
Sean
Why would you do that?
- [65:46]
Host 1
Well, she's like, if you're peeing every hour, you aren't supposed to be doing that.
- [65:51]
Host 2
Sure.
- [65:52]
Host 1
Said you should be able to hold it two to four hours. I said, that's never happened.
- [65:55]
Jesse Dolphin
Is she a urologist?
- [65:57]
Host 1
Maybe some pee doctor? I don't know.
- [66:00]
Sean
Yeah.
- [66:01]
Host 1
But she's like, it's a huge thing. It's a mental game.
- [66:04]
Sean
It's neurology and urology.
- [66:06]
Host 1
Yes.
- [66:07]
Sean
Combined.
- [66:07]
Host 1
And she's like, next time you have to pee. This is super weird, but it's like the. You do the. The. Like the. Was it like the pelvic.
- [66:18]
Sean
Yeah. The hold. Yeah.
- [66:20]
Host 1
Like you.
- [66:20]
Sean
Yeah.
- [66:21]
Host 1
Flex it. Yeah.
- [66:22]
Sean
Muscles. Pelvic muscles.
- [66:23]
Host 1
And you breathe and you just try to think of something else.
- [66:25]
Sean
Okay.
- [66:25]
Host 1
And I try not to get a peeing. I tried to do that yesterday. I'm like, I just gotta pee. Yeah. So I went pee.
- [66:30]
Jesse Dolphin
This seems like terrible advice. I feel like if you gotta go and you have a bathroom, you know, I'm not an expert, though.
- [66:38]
Sean
Just tense your butt and think of something else. Like, it's like you're a doctor because of this. I could have thought of that.
- [66:44]
Host 2
Someone with the bladder size of a grape is like, man, I'm just mentally weak.
- [66:49]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. But I like how your Tik Tok algorithm's like, dude needs to see this.
- [66:57]
Sean
That's Ira feeding your information.
- [66:59]
Jesse Dolphin
You don't need to hear, dude.
- [67:00]
Host 1
Oh, man.
- [67:01]
Jesse Dolphin
Just, you know, just.
- [67:02]
Host 1
Yeah.
- [67:02]
Jesse Dolphin
Just bladder misinformation.
- [67:07]
Host 1
You don't have to pee. Wait a minute.
- [67:09]
Jesse Dolphin
These Chinese colonels are like, the ways to take down society.
- [67:12]
Host 2
Bladder infections Tell me, when have you been more panicked? You're trapped in a space and you gotta pee and you can't.
- [67:18]
Host 1
Yeah, dude, I. I think. I don't know if I talked about on the podcast, but, like, one of my, like, anxiety, because I have crippling anxiety sometimes. One of the things is, like, not being able to find a place to go pee. Yeah. That's what I discovered through emdr. Yeah. Crazy stuff.
- [67:34]
Sean
It's a lot of money to pay for, to find that out.
- [67:40]
Host 1
But I saw this video where these people were flying from Cancun or El Salvador to Atlanta, Georgia or something, and both bathrooms on the airplane stopped working. And so they said there's no more bathrooms working, so.
- [67:56]
Sean
Sure there is. It's just not the one that you prefer me to go to bathroom.
- [67:59]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [68:00]
Host 1
Instantly. I would pee in a bottle.
- [68:02]
Sean
Yeah.
- [68:02]
Host 1
Even if I didn't have to be.
- [68:03]
Jesse Dolphin
I'm like, I got to go. It's like the.
- [68:05]
Sean
Establish a pee corner.
- [68:05]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. So the outside of the office, immediately,
- [68:09]
Sean
you establish a pee corner in the cockpit, you stand up, you're a leader, and you say, this is what we're doing, folks.
- [68:16]
Jesse Dolphin
And I think it's wordless. I think there's just, like, a social exchange that happens in that moment where everyone looks at each other like, well, you know. You know the implications of this. Right.
- [68:24]
Sean
Everywhere's a bathroom, if you're brave enough.
- [68:26]
Host 2
Yeah.
- [68:27]
Host 1
Speaking of bathrooms.
- [68:28]
Sean
Yeah.
- [68:29]
Host 1
I want to hear about these. These secret weapons.
- [68:31]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you say, you know what? I remember I was in college, and my roommate was a music major for a while, and one of his professors also worked in, like, audio technology. And he was telling me this story, and I didn't really even think about it until, like, years later. We just thought it was funny that he was working for a project at some point that was trying to create some. They were trying to find a tone, the brown note. The brown note, right. Where it basically is a. Is a tone that would disrupt your bowels or whatever, and they would use it for, like, crowd control. But. Devious.
- [69:10]
Sean
Every note for you is the P note.
- [69:13]
Jesse Dolphin
But, you know, all I have to say is there's a lot of development in direct energy weapons that uses frequency. And so we were talking about unrestricted warfare. The other kind of concept we really spent some time diving into. And this one, honestly, I felt like the psychological operation stuff, and we looked at Edward Bernays and advertising and propaganda, all stuff super interesting, but didn't really creep me out. Like I said, I feel like you can come to logical. You could see how people get to that place where they're like, oh, I should manipulate. And I think we're all in the content space too. You know, Like, I feel like we all probably use our abilities for good, but you, you know how to tweak a thumbnail or headline or whatever to cause engagement. Right. This is a lot of psychological operations to some degree are that just a bunch of clickbait and weaponized. But the cognitive worst affair stuff is where it gets creepy because so like, psychological warfare is trying to manipulate what people think. Right. Ultimately, whether that's a value or what they think about a political issue or what they think about an adversary or whatever. But cognitive warfare is really concerned with how people think. And so your cognition. So what that can look like on a baseline level is like you can affect Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right? So like, if you're, you know, at the, at the very bottom of the pyramid is what they call like self actualization. But as you get higher up the pyramid, it's like love, affection, whatever, but at the very. Or I'm inversing it at the very baseline. Like if you're cold, if you're hungry, if you're in pain, that's all you're going to think about until that need is resolved and you can kind of move your way up the pyramid eventually get to what Maslow said was self actualization. So baseline cognitive warfare is just to disrupt your ability to think clearly about things outside of some needs. So like, if you see a lot of stories about like food shortages or things that threaten those basic needs, you start. It's like there's a possibility that's a cognitive warfare attack. Because all of a sudden everything else you're thinking about is clouded by, well, I gotta put food on the table
- [71:33]
Host 1
or the toilet paper thing. See, that's where my brain went, remember?
- [71:37]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah, Covid. Like, everybody, we're gonna run out of toilet paper.
- [71:40]
Host 1
We gotta get toilet paper.
- [71:41]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. And so, but as it kind of scales up, there's other ways to affect people's cognition. One of those is, you know, you look at the MK Ultra thing like they were experimenting with drugs, but the brain, through electronics and through frequencies, can be manipulated. And so they started experimenting with this. There was a guy, his name was Jose Delgado, and he's sort of a forgotten figure. He was Spanish, right? So he had seen, he had lived through World War II. He had, you know, he sort of had the generational trauma of like the Spanish Civil War. And he was obsessed with the idea of aggression because he saw so much violence. And. But he was also like a brain scientist. And so he was, he. He was. He thought a lot about, like, how can people become less aggressive and maybe humanity becomes less violent. And because he was a brain scientist, he was like, well, I'm going to start doing weird brain experiments. And he ended up getting tauros, which are. They're like bull fighting bulls in Spain. Right. So they are hyper. Hyper. They're bred to be aggressive. They're not like a. Nor they're like, you know, a Texas theater or something. These are most aggressive. Like you said, bred to be aggressive. Anyway, he ended up having a theory about how aggression could be treated with frequency. And he created these implantable devices into that he would put into the heads of these toro bulls and he would have them charge and he had like a little device he called a stemo siever. And he could basically deliver different frequencies to different parts of the bull's brain. And it would stop it in its tracks and it would create the bull docile. And he tried it on other animals and it would change their whole countenance. So he wasn't just like disabling it. Right. Wow. He actually changing their mood electronically. Whoa. And again, that's like in the 60s, 70s.
- [73:44]
Host 1
My God.
- [73:45]
Sean
It was the actual implant. A chip.
- [73:46]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, it was a chip. And wirelessly wireless transmission. So when you look at that and then you look at like neuralink and all that kind of stuff, it's clear that electronic stimulation and the deliverance of different frequencies to stimulate different parts of the brain can have cognitive and emotional effects. Right. Like it's demonstrable. And so the kind of scary thing with cognitive warfare is like, well, what if you could do that without the implantable?
- [74:17]
Host 1
Yeah. Does this, does this get into the whole Nazi frequency, the 444Hz?
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. So there's been tons of experiments with the. What frequencies can affect people's mood or affect their physiology. So like when we're joking about the brown note, at some point there, there was an idea that some frequency, you know, would ultimately make a crap. You're saying. Yeah, exactly. Like your, your. Your muscles would not be able to contract. Right. And you're, you know, would have bad effects if they hit you. Right. Part of your body. And so, but, but then too, and this. Not to go down the whole rabbit hole, but I'm sure you guys have done episodes where there's a lot of theories about like, like you look at some of these ancient megaliths that seem to have properties that were meant to channel sound, maybe to achieve some frequency that would have some seemingly supernatural effect on people. So if you're in some big chamber, like that's made out of granite, that has a certain resonance to it. Right. And you chant it or perform some ritual, theoretically, it could generate a. A frequency. And if there is, we can prove that these frequencies have psychological, neurological, and physiological effects maybe through some of these rituals. They were like, creating these experiences that sort of blend the natural and the supernatural. But what, from a military and weaponry standpoint, it is being experiment with in some really crazy ways. So we had on the show a guy who is the commander of the Cryptological Warfare for the Navy. He's a commander. You know, what is cryptological? So basically, like, they work really closely, like the NSA on surveillance, counter surveillance, things like that, you know. But the NSA is. Everyone talks about the CIA and all these advanced. The NSA is where the really weird stuff is. But anyway, I talked to this guy who's. I mean, he's active duty commander, and there's all these hoops to go through when you're working with someone with the Navy or any kind of government institution. But he was super cool. His name's Jake Beber, and he is an expert in cognitive warfare, but particularly cognitive warfare weaponry. And so you got. I think you guys did an episode maybe a week or two ago about the Venezuela.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So it kind of came out. There was like this account apparently from one of these, like, Cuban guards who. These, you know, was it like a dozen Delta guys ended up taking out like 100 dudes, right. That were guarding Maduro at his compound. And one of the soldiers. And I've seen. I've seen some people question, like, the translation, like, how accurate it is. But in effect, they were like, whoever this was said the Americans had weapons that are unstoppable, that we didn't know where we were. We're bleeding from the eyes and ears. There's no counter to it.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So when I was talking to this Navy commander, he was like, man, there are cognitive warfare weapons that deploy technologies. And President Trump called it like a discombobulator was used in Venezuela. So this is. So. I don't know, this is like three months ago. When we're talking to this Navy commander, he's like, we have. Imagine. He said it like this. He was like, imagine you're an infantry and you're, you know, like, storming an area, like a beach or something, and this weapon is deployed and it creates a confusion field. And you walk into it and you're totally like disoriented. You don't know where you are, you can't think straight. He was like, imagine one that is a time warper where either time seems to start moving extremely slowly or extremely quickly.
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Host 1
What?
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Jesse Dolphin
And now imagine you're in a gunfight and this is like four months ago. He's like, those types of weapons exist.
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Sean
How does that work? How does that happen?
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Jesse Dolphin
So a lot of it. So there's a device called an lrad, a long range acoustic device. And I don't know if a consumer can buy them, but private entities can purchase them. And it shoots like a beam of sound, right? And a lot of times, what they'll use it, they'll use it for crowd control. Like you've seen that crowd control video. It was like Serbia or nuts. Well, during the whole piracy scare, like the Captain Phillips era, part of the deal is like these, those private, you know, vessels, they don't want to engage, they don't want to take lethal force, even if they're, they don't. You know what I mean? Like, that creates a whole not just ethical thing, but could get them in legal trouble if they start engaging in gunfights on the open sea. Right?
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
So they started outfitting those with LRADs. And what an LRAD is, is like let's say a boat you're about to be hijacked, right? And you have these LRADs, they look like satellite dishes almost. And you pointing at this boat, you can create a beam of sound that you can plug an MP3 player in it, but you can make it intolerable, right? Where it will turn the vessel around and there's no defense from it. But there's also frequencies that you can take the same principles that guy Jose Ogado was experimenting with back in the 60s where it's mood altering, right? And because it's, it sounds woo. But there is legit science to the neurological effects of targeted weapons decks. So like Havana syndrome. Do you guys remember Havana syndrome? Oh yeah. I guess for a brief primer, these American diplomats at these embassies around the world, a concentration of them were in Havana, Cuba, but some of them were in the Soviet Union, all over the place. Started hearing this weird frequency and ended up having long term neurological effects from it. Fast forward, I want to say this was like 20, 18, 19ish. This, this was in the Keys, right? There's a, a Ford Mustang that's like going crazy like 100 miles an hour. The cops end up getting a car chase. Pull it over. Okay. We play a clip from the actual, you know, police encounter from the, the vest camera or whatever in there's like a burn bowl, which is a doc. A bowl where intelligence people will burn documents and things like that. There was also a device that would wipe the. Any of the tracking on the, the jeep, the car gps, so you can't tell where it went. You know, like a lot of shady stuff. And anyway, the guy was like a celebrity chef from Russia. I mean, this guy's been on TV shows. Again, I don't know what it is about Russian chefs. Long story short, he had worked, he was a, he was a Russian spy and had been working in Russia on frequency weapons and he had a lot of weird technology in his car. While an FBI interrogator is like, you know, the days between interrogation, she's trying to get information from this Russian spy who worked in direct, the direct energy weapon field. She's at her home and starts hearing like a crazy buzz in her ear and ends up she's still having long term neurological effects. But these type of direct energy weapons are super real. Like, I'm working on another project. I, I can't say too well. It's called Shadow Figures, right. It's. And hopefully it'll be on TV soon. It's hosted by a guy named Chad Robichaw, who's a former Force Recon Marine. Great dude. And we, we take teams of special operators and try to either confirm or debunk conspiracies. Right, Cool.
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Host 2
That sounds sick.
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Jesse Dolphin
Albarino's been on an episode, you know, La Marzulli was on an episode, some guys, you know, but we did an episode on Project Bluebeam. Right. And the premise of project. And this is something that Warner von Braun actually even talked about, like at some point would the government get to a place where they would have the technological means to manipulate a society and they would do it through basically like mass hypnosis. Not hypnosis, but like either they could, could they stage like an alien invasion or could they stage like the return of a religious figure? Could they. Could they simulate a supernatural experience right at scale? And the way you would do that theoretically is through some of these direct energy weapons. And so on the show we took devices that. Again, I'll show you guys off camera if you want, but you could buy if you really wanted to, and you guys could probably do it. You guys are all audio guys. You can create a device, right, that shoots a direct. It's almost like Think about a flashlight beam. Like if you threw, like, dust in the air and shot a flashlight through it. You can do that with sound, Right. But you can also do it in a way that it uses, like, bone conduction. Right. So, like, if you're a diver, you can't wear headphones underwater, but you can put a little microphone on the back of your skull and it uses bone conduction to vibrate. And your brain interprets that. It's, It's.
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Host 1
Well, they have. They have those headphones now that you can swim and it's just vibrations. Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so it's the same principle, right, where this bypasses your eardrum. It actually vibrates your skull at a really low pace.
- [83:57]
Sean
Like cochlear implants as well. Right. Like, that's how they work.
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Host 2
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so we did an experiment with. We rigged up this sound beam, and the idea was, could we make someone believe we were. They're hearing a voice in their head?
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Host 1
You guys did this?
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Okay.
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Jesse Dolphin
Like, we, we. We wanted. We simulated. We wanted to see if we could technologically simulate telepathy and make someone believe that they were experiencing telepathy. So we did this whole setup right, where, you know, they, they, they, they. But you could see someone's whole worldview change, right. Like someone's sitting there and their whole face, they're like, I hear a voice in my head, you know, like, oh, it's so scary. But. But if you think about, like, what's available to governments or especially if this technology, if you guys are able to
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Host 1
do that, what you're saying is, what can the government do?
- [84:47]
Jesse Dolphin
Exactly.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
Exactly. And so.
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Sean
At a large, large scale.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah. And. And. And that's when you get into this cognitive warfare thing where it's like, okay, psychological warfare is scary because I think we've all seen people are very manipulatable psychologically.
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Host 1
But you can, like, get out of that.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah. There's a way to reason your way out.
- [85:12]
Host 1
Turn off your phone. Don't watch TV.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. Go live in the woods, throw away AirPods.
- [85:16]
Host 1
But cognitive warfare, that's the manipulation of your brain.
- [85:20]
Jesse Dolphin
Exactly.
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Host 1
That's scary.
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Jesse Dolphin
That is very scary. I don't like that. Well, and that's.
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Sean
I'm gonna go on record and say I don't like that at all.
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Jesse Dolphin
Well, listen. And going back to our convers earlier, right, where I don't want to. I'm not advocating for gaslighting people who have seen crazy aircraft or misinformation or anything, but imagine you're in the Seat of someone who knows the technological potential of what existing technology is capable of and knowing that if it falls into the wrong hands, what the results could be, what links would you go to to protect that information? And then you can start seeing this whole path of like, well, maybe we just flood the zone with crazy, with crazy encounters and feed people stuff so that no one believes what is true and everyone is second guessing. Because ultimately I don't think it's possible, especially on a large scale, to keep secrets. I just, you know, I don't. I think it's just outside of human nature. So in order to protect secrets, you might have to let them out, but
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Host 1
also with a bunch of disinformation. Yeah, yeah.
- [86:42]
Sean
Alex Jones them.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, just keep feeding. So it's like, you know, a guy who I talked to for the series compared it to, there's a method of disrupting or they used to do it. The radars got more sophisticated, but basically before they would do bombing raids, they would fly over enemy territory and drop flecks of metal, sometimes like strips of metal, so that the radar would just bounce off of it. And when you fly through, the radar doesn't know what is fake and what is real. And he's like, now just apply that to intelligence. You know that it's not that the plane isn't there dropping the bombs and your radar doesn't see it, it's that it sees everything all at once and can't deter it's surk off zone. It's what is real, what is fake.
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Sean
Ooh, it's good. At least we have to give our consent to the government for them to manipulate us.
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Jesse Dolphin
Exactly. They're very trustworthy.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Sean
It's probably in the terms and conditions, like, do you consent to being used by a dw? Yes. Just give me my iPhone.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
That's insane.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Sean
It's so scary.
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Jesse Dolphin
I know cognitive warfare well and it was crazy to hear because it's not like I questioned the dude when he told me about like confusion fields and time warpers.
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Host 1
The time warp thing is that kind of makes sense though, because I'm like, whatever. Like when I'm having like a, a panic attack or something, time just seems different. Like either it seems slowed down or super sped up. So that is totally like, like it's brain chemistry.
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Host 2
Even, even not in the like panic zone. Like, I talked to a buddy of mine who competes in like extreme sports and he described like when he like hits flow state and he's like doing a run, he's like, he's like, literally, it looks like my board's in slow motion underneath my feet.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 2
So, like, something happens in the brain where time.
- [88:29]
Host 1
But he doesn't change.
- [88:30]
Host 2
But he's saying we perceive it differently.
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Host 1
Like, he's. They're, like, creating, like, a field.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. That. That's. That's targeted. Cool.
- [88:39]
Sean
Cool.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. But again, it's not. Like I questioned when he told me, like, he's a Navy commander. Unless.
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [88:43]
Jesse Dolphin
You know, by the way, that that's one thing around the. Like, you're the psyop man. Like, everyone's like, but maybe you psyoping me. But then when. When, after this Maduro raid, I was like, dude, that's literally exactly what the guy told me was that they have. They can create a confusion field. And. And the President called it a discombobulator. You know,
- [89:01]
Sean
I didn't hear him say that. So the fact that they're even mentioning that it does exist, because that was the big thing.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [89:05]
Host 1
He was interviewed by. Was it News Nation or something like that, and he's like, yeah, we have it.
- [89:10]
Sean
Yeah.
- [89:10]
Jesse Dolphin
That Weapons.
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Sean
Yeah.
- [89:12]
Jesse Dolphin
Make you poop your bed.
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Host 2
Yep.
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Jesse Dolphin
But, yeah, it's. It's. It's wild stuff. But, yeah. You know, but I also don't want. I'm not like, I'm. I'm, you know, selling other people that I've talked to about. This is like, I'm still, like, an optimist. I don't think people should, like, freak out.
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Host 1
Sure.
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Jesse Dolphin
But I do think. I think there's a level of discernment, especially as, like, Christians, where, you know, there's been a lot of weird, like, sort of supernatural belief systems that have evolved in, like, I would say, the, like, the last 10 years when it comes to, like, kind of paranormally stuff that I feel like is in direct opposition to some core Christian theological tenets. And it doesn't have to either be. Well, you know, what we believe is wrong and look at all this weird stuff and aliens and orbs and, you know, or, you know, this is all some weird supernatural deception. Maybe all that's true, but there's also evidence that other stuff is going on that is conventionally. Conventionally explainable, you know.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
That we should be concerned about, but it might not offer the sort of, like, ontological threat that. That the other. It's just like, oh, man, that's scary that they were able to figure that out, you know?
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [90:27]
Sean
And also just being aware of it, it.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [90:29]
Sean
You know, like, I listened to a couple of you guys episodes, and I Just was spewing this all off to my wife while she was like, first thing in the morning, she's like, this is also scary. You're gonna scare everyone. And it was just, to me, it's like, just know that it exists so you don't fall for it, you know, so you know what's happening. So that when you, these things come up and you start, you know, getting triggered online or something, it's like, well, maybe you kind of realize like, hey, this isn't all real.
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Host 2
And even like think about the example of Jesus though. We, we talk about it all the time where he's like, you know, give to Caesar with Caesar's, I'm not here overthrow government. I'm here to love, you know, love your neighbor. Like every time he, they tried to pin him in a left or right somehow he was like, we're arguing the wrong argument.
- [91:11]
Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [91:11]
Host 2
He was like, wisdom is to, to be still and know that I'm God and listen for the still small voice, not from that guy's device, but like the real one.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I mean, discernment is huge, especially within Christians. But you can also discernment, I really do feel like it is from the Holy Spirit, but it's also a practice. And it's like, like if you are flooding your mind with tick tock and crazy narratives constantly, I. Your discernment goes down. I feel like.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
And that's part of the psychological warfare. Right.
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Jesse Dolphin
It's.
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Host 1
Oh for sure. In this confusion, what's real, what's not.
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Sean
It's the quenching of the Holy Spirit.
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Host 2
Yeah.
- [91:46]
Sean
It's like just like, like let me guide you. And if you don't let it, then it's like it's going to become more and more numb to you.
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Host 1
Yeah. So just focusing that practice on practical things, like even just reading a book, I feel like is way more healthy for.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [92:00]
Sean
Focusing on the truths.
- [92:01]
Host 1
Yeah, yeah. But it, Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, but it's like all this stuff that you're saying and then just what you're seeing on the news now is just, it's crazy. It's like this, this clear division. It's happening in one spot really.
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Jesse Dolphin
But, but there, but it's also like, you know, the, it's, it's a, it's a double bladed thing. Right. So there are certainly adversarial forces who are incentivized to create division and fear. Right. And if you look at, like I said, Maslow's hierarchy of Needs. If you're afraid of something, like, if you're legit freaked out that something like you feel like you're under threat, it clouds your judgment on everything. Right. So there are adversaries that are absolutely incentivized for military purposes to keep population in fear. But there are also commercial incentives where, like I said, we all work in the content business, you know, like, we know how it works. If it bleeds, it leads, you know, like, we're all consumers. You're gonna stop scrolling. No, you might not want to watch like the gas station fight video or whatever, but you're like, oh, you know, like you're hardwired, you know, for a lot of different reasons for that kind of thing to capture your attention. But I also think your point about reading the book, like, like, I think it's very important to be aware of global and social issues and injustices and things like that. You got to be, especially in the democracy, you have to have an informed citizenry in order to kind of make good decisions. But at the same time, like, it's easy to lose context of the, the scale of those issues if you're only, you know, observing the world through a screen. Where if you're like, like, if all of us, like, like, like this morning when you pick me up from the hotel, if, like I walked around that morning got, you know, you know, window coffee shop or whatever, most people right now, and I think it applies to most people on the planet, like, are just going about a normal day having normal interactions. And most of those interactions are probably pretty good.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
With other humans. You know what I mean? Like, they're at least not negative, like checking out of the hotel, hey, you know, what's up? You know, just like chit chatting. But if you only observe the world through a screen, you're going to be conditioned to believe everybody hates each other. Yeah. But that's partly by intentionality and design and it's partly selling ads. Yeah. The algorithm taps into the id. You know what I mean?
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Host 1
That's so messed up.
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Sean
Yeah. And the government doesn't want the best for you. And so it's like, okay, does the government want me to be a consumer? Does it want me to consume this content?
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Jesse Dolphin
It.
- [94:38]
Sean
Okay. Yes, it does, obviously. So maybe I should hold back on
- [94:42]
Jesse Dolphin
that a little bit. Yeah.
- [94:43]
Sean
Be aware of where I'm being pushed. We don't want to be sheep.
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [94:46]
Sean
You know, it's.
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Host 1
It's interesting one, One of your episodes, it was maybe chapter three or something in the psyop thing. You started talking about the. The Tartarian.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [94:57]
Host 1
Stuff, which. I would love to hear more about that because we've talked about it a little bit.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
I've always been like, this seems absolutely whack, like, but then you get those things where it's just like, oh, there was a region where it was called Tartary and stuff like that.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Were you guys. Were you. I didn't finish the episode, but were you able to trace the Tartarian thing back to.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, and it's pretty insidious, actually. Like, I would love to hear it. So, like, I'm. I'm. I'm totally open. So just for context for the Tartaria thing, because some people are really passionate about it, and I'm not trying to call anybody gullible or anything like that, but I think this one is observably, you know, kind of absurd on the scale of conspiracies. Right. Like.
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Host 1
Yeah. I mean, it's. It's out there.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. And so basically, what it. What it believes is there was, like, a reset of history.
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Host 1
The mud flood.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, there's a mud flood that wiped everything out. But this was like, 200 years, right. This is. We're not talking about, like, what created the megaliths in. In Peru or whatever, you know, where there's like, oh, maybe there was some sort of of, you know, younger dries or. Or flood or something that wiped out. You know, I think that's a pretty conventional understanding. Right. This is like. No, this is recent history that there was an advanced civilization. And the evidence they point to is like, look how cool. Architect. You know, like post Roman architecture, like,
- [96:22]
Host 1
all over the world, like the Taj Mahal, the Capitol building, the. Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And so they must have had. They couldn't have done that with hammers and chisels.
- [96:29]
Sean
That.
- [96:29]
Jesse Dolphin
They must have been this advanced society. Some sort of mud flood wiped it out in the history of this population. It was wiped out with it, and it's being hidden for some sort of nefarious purpose. Right.
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Host 1
And then that CIA document.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
- [96:42]
Host 1
Which we've read. Which I've read on our show.
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Jesse Dolphin
So the origin. So there. Yeah. A lot of people will point to a CIA document that talks about the history of Tartara being wiped out. And then if you look at the context for all of this is there was an area in Russia that was the Tartar region, and the people there were Muslim. And after Stalin came to power, Stalin was a staunch atheist, and part of institutional Communism was the eradication of any religious system, particularly minority religious systems. And so he essentially wiped out the Tartar people from history. The CIA document is basically saying this was an effort by Stalin to make the Russian people believe that this community never existed.
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Host 1
Which is crazy.
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Jesse Dolphin
Not because they had possessed advanced technologies, but because they were a religious minority. And so you do have maps that have the Tartar region. You do have a concerted effort to wipe it from history. But then if you fast forward a little bit longer, there's this mathematician, his name's Fomenko is his last name. And he's very influential in Russia. And he wrote this. It's like eight or nine volumes. It is huge. And what he believes is that modern history is all a lie. And that actual history is only, I think he says stopped in the 1600s. It stopped hundreds of years shorter than in actuality. And that all history, whether that's the story of Christ, whether that's the settlement of America, is actually what the Russian people did. Right. And so Christ was Russian, the settlers of America were Russian, that all of the world was. This is Russian history. But after the fall of the Soviet Union, that was co opted by the West. And some of the evidence he points to, he'll even look at the placement of stars in Renaissance art and do these mathematical calculations, because he's a mathematician, to say, well, if you calculate couldn't be possible because of the placement of the stars. This is actually, look, it shows that this was 500 years were added onto the calendar. Right. To create this cycle of history that rewrites it. So you can trace a lot of these Tartarian conspiracies to one Stalin making an effort to wipe that region from history, but also this kind of kooky Russian mathematician who is literally attempting to rewrite history. And even there's not to get into geopolitical stuff, but if you look at that, some of the early justifications for like the invasion of Ukraine was. Well, all of this is Russia's anyway. Right. I'm not saying, I'm not trying to like get. But you could see how some, something like that could be used for geopolitical purposes if people are conditioned to believe something. You know what I mean?
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Host 1
Yeah. Crazy.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
Tartary.
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Sean
I still believe in it.
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Jesse Dolphin
The mud flat. And the thing is like, I don't. I never be the guy that's like. Because I love. And I'm sure you guys do too. I mean, obviously, like going down these rabbit holes. Yeah. I mean. And I don't want. They are fun.
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Sean
Tartaria is so appealing.
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [100:20]
Sean
Like, it's because it's like, it's. It is just a fun idea. Like, oh, my goodness, their whole other world existed before us.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Host 1
I will say, I mean, that there is some truth, though, I believe, to the rewriting of history of just like, the winners get to raise for sure. But going as far as, like, there's this whole civil. I mean, because you can. There's so many different groups throughout the world that are even the Native Americans with their oral traditions. It's like there was no advanced civilization that was living here in the United States, you know, like.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. And. And I think it's okay to, like, go down the rabbit hole and entertain, but at. Sometimes you just. Again, part of it comes down to these. The subtlety of these psychological operations you really want to be careful about because, you know, looks like you guys are in the space too. Some people, if you start peeling back the onion a little bit, who are like hardcore believers and whatever sort of their, you know, favorite kind of conspiracy is, like, you can get some dark places.
- [101:21]
Host 1
Yeah.
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Jesse Dolphin
And they're like, you know.
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Host 1
Yeah, I. I have been. I. When we first started the show, I would start getting down to this dark place. I'm like, this is too much for me.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. It's like, it's one thing with, like, BigF and cool stuff like that, but. But sometimes. And again, I. I don't. I'm not trying to point the fingers at any one person or one ideology.
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Sean
No, we get it.
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Jesse Dolphin
But. But. But you got. But. But you got to be discerning in this space, too. You know what I mean?
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Host 2
We always. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Jesse Dolphin
No, no, you're good.
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Host 2
We always know when he's. When he's found himself in one of those rabbit holes, because he'll come in the office and he'll be like, we just need to get back to Bigfoot. Let's spend an episode talking about Bigfoot.
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Host 1
But. Well, yeah, it's also like, what you can. Are constantly consuming because if you go down these rabbit holes or whatever, rabbit trails, you can get stuck in them, and you can go deeper and deeper, and then you're just like, this world is a terrible place. What hope is there?
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, everything's a lie. You know where. Yeah. I mean, especially that you're talking about the discernment thing earlier. Just being Christians, it's like, well, one, we are. Are citizens of a kingdom, not of this world. Right. Like, this is temporary, but our job is to thy kingdom come. You know what I mean? Like, we're trying to establish God's kingdom on Earth and If you have a starting point of complete, you know, disdain for the place where you're supposed to be establishing the kingdom, I don't know if that's healthy, you know.
- [102:52]
Host 1
Yeah, for sure.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Sean
And that's where that daily bread comes from. It's like that's your center focus. No matter where you go, as long as that's the, the cornerstone, you're good.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah.
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Sean
But a lot of the times that gets lost in the mix. You're just. And it gets just overwhelming.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host 1
Why? I have some. I have some more questions for you.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, yeah.
- [103:12]
Host 1
But we're going to ask these questions on our Patreon. Patreon account. Ninjas or butterflies? We're going to talk about some crazier stuff.
- [103:19]
Sean
Yes. And we got that extra episode also on YouTube members, if you join today. But on Patreon, we got got exclusive content, behind the scenes footage discounts on swag. It's totally worth it. We're going to continue this conversation. We could be talking all day.
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Host 1
Yeah.
- [103:31]
Sean
If we wanted to.
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Host 1
If you ever want to come back, we'd love to have you back, dude.
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Jesse Dolphin
I would love to come back. I'll talk to Chad and the guys. Hopefully that show Shadow figures. Yeah, hopefully. I didn't say too much about an episode that they're gonna be at me but like, hopefully that'll be out too. And I'd love. There's some. We can talk off camera, but some wild, wild stuff. I'm really proud to be a part of that that I think.
- [103:52]
Sean
I think they're all intrigued right now, ready to stream it.
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Jesse Dolphin
Right. I mean some of the stuff that if you guys have a few minutes after I can show you.
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Host 1
Oh yeah, please.
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Jesse Dolphin
That we found and did in that show was pretty mind blowing. So hopefully people get to see that soon too.
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Sean
And what else can they follow? You can. What else do you got to promote? We obviously the Psyop show that's gonna be available to stream everywhere, right?
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah. So I would. Yeah, it's gonna be on by the time they hear this. At least episode one or two will be on. On Apple, Spotify, on YouTube at. This is ironclad. I think it's going to be on Sean Ryan's YouTube as well. Cool. Sean Ryan show.
- [104:28]
Sean
So it'll be a weekly drop.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yep, yep. It'll be every week. And then I also weekly co host the Relevant podcast still with Cameron and those guys. You know, I've been involved with. With Relevant for a long time. So sweet. You can hear me there and then at this is ironclad. You can check out all our shows. You see Black Project, we'll put that in the description.
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Host 1
Awesome documentary.
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Jesse Dolphin
Yeah, thank you.
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Host 1
After watching what's the Age of Disclosure? Yeah, that just came out. I'm like, age of Disclosure has nothing on this documentary. So fun to watch.
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Jesse Dolphin
Oh, thanks, man.
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Host 1
Age of Disclosures. There's a bunch of politicians trying to
- [105:01]
Sean
promote their books as well. He's like, you can read this in my book. And it's like, why is everyone promoting a book?
- [105:06]
Jesse Dolphin
And some of them are walking it back already. You know what I mean? Like, come on.
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Host 1
It's crazy. Anyways, we love you guys.
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Sean
Thanks for coming on. We'll say you. Love you.
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Host 1
Thanks, Jesse Dolphin.
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Jesse Dolphin
What you're about to see. Wow. May disturb you nominal if any of you know what these multi decade UAP dolphins are. Aliens have a heart attack when he
- [105:25]
Host 1
see bottle nose fish pigs was a massive police response.
- [105:30]
Sean
Oh, the dolphin thing.
- [105:30]
Jesse Dolphin
Oh my Golphin style attack. Lightheaded like I have that wrecked energy. Yeah.
- [105:42]
Sean
The Mountain Dew on me right now.
- [105:44]
Jesse Dolphin
Hopefully I didn't belong to you. Whoa. Right here.
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Host 2
Yep.
- [105:57]
Sean
What?
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Jesse Dolphin
What? What's the typical practice here? Chaos, whatever.
- [106:01]
Sean
Yeah, just a quick shock. A couple of them. Yeah, that's perfect.