197 - Flat Earth Theory & The True Dangers of Data Centers w/ Dr. Larry

Summary

Ninjas Are Butterflies – Episode 197

Flat Earth Theory & The True Dangers of Data Centers w/ Dr. Larry
Release date: June 5, 2026
Hosts: Josh Hooper, Andy DeNoon, Justin, Andrew, Brent
Guest: Dr. Larry

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Episode Overview

In this hilarious and thought-provoking episode, the crew welcomes Dr. Larry—engineer, musician, and homeschool dad— to tackle two of the most “outrageous” topics trending in the world of comedy and conspiracy: the Flat Earth theory and the environmental and societal hazards posed by the massive new wave of data centers. With trademark banter, wild stories, and a blend of genuine curiosity, skepticism, and deep-dive theorizing, the conversation launches from aliens and biblical watchers to global mining conspiracies and the question, “Why do we believe anything we’re told?”
Tone: Outrageously funny, skeptical, open-minded, occasionally philosophical and always conspiratorial.

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Main Topics and Discussion Flow

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1. Meet Dr. Larry: Engineer, Pianist, Conspiracy Conversationalist

• [00:15] Josh shares that Larry changed how he hosts guests, telling a story about a simple, communal dinner: “It felt so real and good. That’s what a real host does.”
• [01:54] Larry’s multicultural heritage: “My father’s Italian and Hungarian. My mother’s Filipino...”
• [02:14] Stories about giving birth in a camper in Florida, “We had a midwife and everything.”
• [03:13] Larry’s credentials: “He does have his doctorate, so everyone calls him Dr. Larry.”
• [03:31] Larry’s background as an aerospace engineering student who detoured into music: “I always question where I’d be today if I stayed down that path... Probably missing!”

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2. Aliens, Watchers, and the “Demon” Theory

• [17:44] The hosts ask Larry if he believes in aliens.
• Larry reframes the question:

  “The connotation aliens... implies that life started somewhere in the universe by chance... I know it’s not even a mathematical possibility. So I believe that they are fallen angels... It wasn’t until recent times, after the theory of evolution, that they changed the word from demons or fallen angels to aliens.” (19:44)

• [20:36] Referenced Alistair Crowley’s alleged statement, “All aliens are actually demons or fallen angels.”
• The group discusses how “alien” disclosure in modern media may parallel ancient biblical accounts of “watchers” wanting worship, merging the alien/demon narrative with the rise of technology and public disclosure.
• [22:46] Larry theorizes:

  “All wealth, all technology, everything that we have today stems from knowledge provided by these watchers... It just can’t be hidden any longer. They're infused with us—not DNA-wise—but meshing more closely now.”

• [24:39] Andrew: “You have to wonder if they want to come out forefront... Renaming themselves to be praised.”

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3. Modern Technology: Gifts from Watchers?

• Discussion pivots to “ancient knowledge”—mining, metallurgy, weapons, cosmetics, pharmakeia—and how these match both technological and biblical “watcher” knowledge (cf. Book of Enoch).
• [32:53] Larry on Gold:

  “I believe these fallen were telling people: go mine gold. I think it’s some sort of fuel for their spaceships or whatever...”

• [34:34] “[Gold and silver are] used highly in any electronic device for their conductivity.”
• Consensus: True evil is incentivized in positions of power because “the fallen give them what they want in exchange for pushing their agenda.”

  “Why’s the world run by pedophiles? These Fallen give them power, push their agenda, and use these people.” (From Larry, 34:46)

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4. The Real Agenda Behind Data Centers

• [37:19] Host Justin highlights the issue:

  “Have you heard of all the data centers popping up all over the US?... They said it would raise the temperature of the night air by up to 28°.”

• [38:49] Larry and Justin on the power required for these centers—equivalent to “23 atomic bombs,” possibly causing night temperatures in Utah to spike, environmental devastation, and mass protest being ignored.

  “Who are these people putting it up? It’s not me and you, right?... We have zero say.”

• [39:19] Protesters now required to pay $15 per complaint.
• [41:02] Andrew references solar grids over Chinese lakes destroying aquatic plant oxygen production:

  “You’re killing another resource—you’re just killing the ocean now.”

• [41:38] Justin’s “dumbest theory”: Data centers could produce so much heat, in combination with El Niño, that it’s the real driver of extreme climate crisis. “Are they setting something up?”
• [43:59] Larry:

  “[Birth] pains of the Antichrist...these data centers are maybe the birthing pains of what is to come: famine and earthquakes. That’s an easy connection.”

• All agree: The public has little say as massive “infrastructure” projects are tied to potential manipulation, surveillance, autonomous AI, and climate consequences.

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5. Flat Earth Theory: Arguments, Doubts, and Riffs

• [85:05] The conversation turns: “Speaking of turmeric, let’s talk about Flat Earth.”
• Justin recounts his 2-week period of full belief in Flat Earth (85:09):

  “For two weeks straight, I believed in flat Earth. Ruined my life... was obsessed... E-mailed a flat-earther, and their answer was that there’s two suns. Okay, I don’t believe anymore.”

• [87:01] Larry:

  “I’m leaning towards Earth is flat. I can’t say for sure... There are so many strong arguments... Some textbook arguments for the globe don’t hold water.”

• Key flat Earth talking points from Larry:
  • A compass always points north—implies the north pole is the literal center (89:05)
  • We rarely physically explore the world; most people don’t travel—“How much do we really know?” (90:28)
  • The NATO emblem is based on a flat earth model (90:44)
  • Biblical allusions: “The Bible says the sun stopped—didn’t say the earth stopped spinning...” (91:32)
  • Contradictions: If the earth is spinning at 1000 mph, why isn’t it noticed on flights, or by simple engineering principles? (94:28)
  • Buoyancy vs. gravity: Balloons rise “because they’re lighter than air” while gravity remains theoretical (98:57)
• Larry’s “flatness” score: “If I had to choose, I’m a ten right now.” (96:18)

Notable Quotes

• “Just hover in a helicopter—watch the ground spin underneath. But that balloon can just float away.” (99:36, Larry)
• Justin’s final stance: “I’m at like a one, not a zero... there’s something about earth we don’t fully understand.” (97:12)
• Andrew’s deep dive: Tolkien’s world was originally flat and turned into a sphere by God during a cataclysm—paralleling biblical floods and the possible entrapment of fallen beings. (108:00)

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6. Quick Hits: AI, Germs, and Chimp Civil War

• [60:19] Justin summarizes a recent experiment where four leading AI models were tasked with simulating their own world:
  • Google Gemini: most crime but total “shared hallucination”
  • Grok: extreme violence, total collapse
  • ChatGPT: internal government dysfunction, population perished
  • Claude: only stable, non-violent, successful model

  “If we’re to believe this—the best thing for the survival of a society is hand over every one of your freedoms to a strong government. You’ll own nothing and be happy.” (64:05, Andrew)

• [64:23] “Ape Civil War” in Uganda—chimps divided into factions after elders died, waging raids, with 24 confirmed chimp kills (66:10)
• [77:23] Larry and Justin share deeply personal stories about anxiety, panic attacks, the role of “chi,” and alternative medicine vs. pharmaceuticals.
• [84:46] Turmeric & black pepper for anti-inflammation, traditional medicine wisdom, and the tendency for modern science to rediscover “ancient” truths.

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7. Why Lie About the Nature of the World?

• [100:13] Justin: “Why is NASA and the whole world set on the lie [if it’s FLAT]?”
• Larry responds:

  If earth is flat, humanity is the center—therefore, special, created, and accountable. A globe opens the door to chance & atheism: “If the earth is round and we’re just a point in the universe, then there’s no consequence to life... That would be one reason to keep the lie going—so people stay lukewarm and easy to control.” (100:52)

• Andrew: “But isn’t the mathematical perfection of our place in the universe just as convincing a case for special creation as any shape?” (102:11)

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Memorable Moments

• [07:08] Comedy song for Larry claims (falsely) he won the Nobel Peace Prize and “was in prison for 15 years.”
• [43:17] Larry referencing Sarah Connor and Terminator as an analogy for watching AI/data centers rise: “Sarah Connor looking over the data centers... makes total sense.”
• [86:33] Mr. Beast mentions “seeing the ice wall” in Antarctica on stream, then shushes his guest—a moment the hosts call “super weird”.
• [112:31] Larry: “The Wizard of Oz is really about the Federal Reserve... The yellow brick road is gold, the Emerald City is green paper...”
• [79:13] Larry on dealing with anxiety and the importance of returning to your passions: “Finding what calms and soothes you, that’s key... If you avoid that, the anxiety will build up.”

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• [17:44] – Larry on “Aliens as Fallen Angels”
• [22:45] – Parallel to pre-Flood “Watcher” era, disclosure as psychological conditioning
• [32:53] – Gold, mining, and watcher “technology”
• [37:19] – Data center conspiracies and climate impact
• [41:38] – Data centers, climate, “El Niño,” and “Are they the real cause?”
• [60:19] – AI hypothetical world simulation: strong government or collapse
• [66:10] – Uganda “chimp civil war”
• [85:08] – Flat Earth re-examined: arguments, doubts, “score yourself 0–10”
• [100:13] – “Why keep the lie?”: Flat Earth, creation, and cosmic center
• [112:31] – Secret meaning of Wizard of Oz

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Final Thoughts

• The group cycles through skepticism, comedy, and “open but unsure,” but Dr. Larry is always ready with a counter-argument, a “what if?” and a willingness to say nobody outside the global elite (and the fallen) really knows.
• “Knowledge can be given and taken.” (53:36, Andrew)
• The world is a weird, possibly flat place; there are conspiracies beneath conspiracies, and true power might not be in government—but in who (or what) feeds knowledge, technology, and motivation to those with their hands on the levers.

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How to Find Dr. Larry

• Airbnb: Lovely Meadow Farm Cottage & Tiny Cracker Cottage (Groveland, FL)

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Call to Audience

• [96:42] Andrew: “I want to know what our audience thinks—give us your number (0–10 flatness) and the reason why.”

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Summary prepared for easy skimming, clear navigation, and to recapture the energy, humor, and wild theorizing of the Ninjas Are Butterflies crew!

Transcript

[Andy]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Ninjas are Butterflies. We're going to be talking about a lot of fun stuff today. We have a special guest. Mr. Dr. Larry is in the house.

[Josh]

Go ahead.

[Justin]

No, you keep on.

[Andy]

Oh, we're going to. Today we're going to be talking about data centers. Who's building them? Why are they building them? And why are they ruining the earth?

[Brent]

And guess what, Is the earth flat?

[Justin]

Well, Larry sure thinks so. And we're about to discuss it, and

[Andrew]

it's going to really weird you out.

[Josh]

You convinced me.

[Andrew]

And we're revisiting the conversation about aliens, the watchers, and all that weird stuff that's coming out in the news. You're going to want to tap in.

[Josh]

All right, now, you say. You say this podcast is brought to you. Empowered by Sunday. Cool. Watch this or listen.

[Larry]

Brought to you and powered and Powered by Sunday.

[Andrew]

Cool.

[Larry]

This podcast is brought to you and powered by Sunday. Cool.

[Josh]

Watch this or listen.

[Larry]

Watch this or listen. Hold on. That was. That was a take. That was just a.

[Andy]

No, that's it. That's it.

[Josh]

That's what we're using. That was perfect.

[Justin]

140 calories.

[Josh]

Not worth it.

[Justin]

This is, like, kind of the only coffee, though. That doesn't make me, like, Starbucks coffee. That doesn't make me absolutely blow my pants off.

[Josh]

Yeah, well, I was. Larry had changed the way I think about hosting people and have, like, having them over for dinner because he made a roast the other night, and all he did was take this massive cutting board and just start slicing with it with a beautiful knife. And then he just put it on the table. Sprinkled salt.

[Justin]

Classic. Classic.

[Josh]

It felt so real and good. And then it had cheese and everything with it. It was just like, this is.

[Justin]

That's what a real host does.

[Josh]

Yeah. Just, like, eat your food, like, and then so we can talk. There was like. I always worry about, you know, everything like that. It's like. It was awesome. It was perfect. Very familiar.

[Justin]

Your wife is Italian. She is. And you are not.

[Larry]

I'm. I'm from Florida. From Sarasota, Florida. My wife's born in Italy and our kids are born in Italy. Except for the youngest one. He was born in our cow pasture.

[Justin]

That's epic.

[Larry]

Yeah. In a camper. And then my.

[Justin]

He was born in the camper.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Wow.

[Josh]

It's crazy.

[Justin]

Yeah. Was that on purpose?

[Andy]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

No, it was on purpose. We had a midwife and everything and.

[Josh]

Yeah. Cuz. Yeah, you got. They got, like. They got some land and they had to Live on a camper. And she was talking about how hot it was during the summer, just having kids in a camper. And it's like, that's. Yeah. Like that's tough.

[Larry]

Giving birth in a camper, Being pregnant in the camper.

[Justin]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Josh]

It's crazy, man.

[Justin]

Good on you, Larry.

[Larry]

My father's Italian and Hungarian. My mother's Filipino.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Larry]

And I learned you're Filipino. And I used to work at Chick Fil.

[Andrew]

A dude.

[Larry]

Wow.

[Andrew]

And you're into music?

[Larry]

Yeah, I'm a pianist.

[Andrew]

Dang. I should have set him up. The little midi keyboard.

[Josh]

He's good. He's good. Yeah, we played.

[Larry]

I think I heard the. The little song you guys did last couple days ago.

[Josh]

Yeah. So you know how talented we are.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

I don't even remember what's dropped. I'm so thrown off by our scheduling and where everything is right now. But thank you for the compliment.

[Justin]

Well, guys, Larry's here.

[Josh]

Larry's here. Dr. Larry.

[Andrew]

Dr. Larry.

[Josh]

He does have his doctorate, so everyone calls him Dr. Larry.

[Andy]

Thanks for coming.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Hey, you're welcome.

[Justin]

Thank you.

[Larry]

Thanks for having me.

[Justin]

Andy has talked about multiple stories from you. One of my favorites was the Watchers Meteorite crater theory.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Justin]

So fun.

[Josh]

Yeah. For those of you listening to the show, the movie talked about, this is the Larry I was talking about. Larry. He's a teacher at my girls co op. Homeschool co op. And that's how we met. We met at a daddy daughter dance. And then like, within five minutes of the conversation, we're talking about, like, full on Genesis conspiracies. And I'm like, this is great. This is great stuff for the pod. So.

[Justin]

So to have you.

[Josh]

It's going to be great.

[Justin]

We're going to get into it.

[Larry]

I'm excited.

[Justin]

And we. We want you to just let loose.

[Larry]

Sure.

[Justin]

And just give us all your kookiness. Because we love kookiness.

[Josh]

Yeah. We went over the YouTube trigger words.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

As well.

[Justin]

So I was told.

[Josh]

That doesn't really matter.

[Justin]

It doesn't matter.

[Josh]

Really.

[Andrew]

No way. That's true.

[Justin]

That's what I'm saying.

[Andrew]

No way.

[Josh]

There's got to be a way.

[Justin]

Because I don't know.

[Andrew]

He gave.

[Justin]

He's like, well, what about Tim Dillon?

[Josh]

Yeah, that's.

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Honestly, Tim Dillon says every trigger word about a thousand times in his episodes,

[Josh]

but he's hit in the first five minutes.

[Andrew]

But if the trigger words don't, like, hurt our reach, then I have to accept.

[Justin]

I take it back. There are some Trigger words. There are some trigger words.

[Andrew]

Like what?

[Josh]

Like what, for example?

[Andrew]

So we're just not a good podcast

[Justin]

and probably why are you algorithm? No, people are just like you post

[Andrew]

at 6am, you idiot.

[Justin]

Speaking of that, you guys are probably aware these past couple of weeks we've been posting at 11:15 Eastern Standard Time because we're trying to figure out this YouTube thing. So thanks for understanding, hopefully. And also go comment on this video right now because every week we're choosing someone that comments and we're sending them a bunch of ninja swag. Right, Larry?

[Larry]

Yes.

[Josh]

Hats, shirts, you never know what you're gonna get. So comment below.

[Justin]

I do this thing sometimes with guests where because I don't know you, I like. I tend to talk this way, so I'm trying to include you as much as possible.

[Andrew]

I shifted my chair his way a little bit because I do the same thing.

[Justin]

I'm naturally a very awkward person and I don't like talking to new people. I just like staying in my own

[Josh]

little shell and that's okay.

[Justin]

So I'm breaking out Larry and I'm addressing you by Larry. Yeah. Which I learned from love on the spectrum.

[Josh]

You say his name throughout.

[Justin]

Yeah. Because I just, I feel like it's such a. What do you call it? Polite.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's intentional. By the end of this episode, you're going to be sitting next to Larry on this. We're sharing the same mic.

[Justin]

All right, Larry? Yeah.

[Larry]

This thing's got some wiggle room.

[Justin]

All right, cool.

[Josh]

Do it. We could do it.

[Justin]

Speaking of Larry. Larry, do you own a song?

[Larry]

Do I want.

[Justin]

Do you want us to play you a song?

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Would you like that?

[Larry]

Let's hear it.

[Justin]

Do you have a genre in mind?

[Larry]

How about like, like 20s, kinda? What? What is that? What do they call that?

[Josh]

Hello my eye. 20s?

[Larry]

Yeah. Like 1920s or 20s, late 20s. 1920s. Yeah.

[Justin]

Like covet era? Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Is that a trigger word?

[Josh]

Go ahead, just get him out of the way.

[Justin]

Alright, we'll come up with something.

[Josh]

Here we go.

[Justin]

We're in Florida Far from the cold Feeling good, as good as gold Got

[Andy]

my friends right here beside me It's

[Justin]

a perfect day don't you agree? But Lily isn't here, she's gone. No time to cry, no time to yawn Lights are on, we're ready to go. Cause it's time to start the show.

[Andy]

I think that it's time to introduce

[Justin]

our guest because he is the best.

[Andy]

His name is Larry. Our special guest today, his name is Larry. We asked him. He Said okay. His name is Larry. He won the Nobel Peace Prize. His name is Larry. Was in prison for 15 years. Was in prison for 15 years. He was in prison for 15

[Justin]

years.

[Josh]

We just guessed on those last two facts. Nobel Peace Prize. You to go back out.

[Andrew]

Where did you get that?

[Justin]

I just got on Amazon.

[Josh]

I thought it'd be fun. That slide whistle was not what I was expecting.

[Andy]

Oh, no.

[Larry]

Uh.

[Josh]

Oh, we gotta do that after every dark conspiracy jersey. Yeah, or every time Lily's scared.

[Andy]

Does this make it look how silly I am?

[Justin]

Hey, it's okay. We're all right.

[Josh]

World's on fire.

[Justin]

Oh, man.

[Josh]

Do you like your song?

[Larry]

I'm flattered, guys. I've never been serenaded by two guys on a podcast before.

[Josh]

Well, I'm sorry for that.

[Justin]

Was it armed robbery?

[Larry]

Armed robbery.

[Justin]

The 15 years.

[Larry]

Yeah, 15 years. No, no, no.

[Josh]

Come on, you know what happened. Yeah. Why are you a convict?

[Justin]

He did not go to prison.

[Josh]

No, he didn't, guys. But I'm pretty sure he did win the Nobel Peace Prize. You went to school for engineering, right?

[Larry]

I did, yes.

[Andrew]

What kind?

[Larry]

Aerospace.

[Justin]

Oh, whoa.

[Josh]

Justin, Larry's gone missing.

[Andrew]

No.

[Larry]

For some reason though, I. I ended up taking a different path into music. But I. I always. It always. I always question where I'd be today if I stayed down that path and studied in depthly. You know what they're studying today?

[Justin]

Probably missing.

[Larry]

Exactly.

[Josh]

Yeah, maybe it was a bullet dodged.

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Music is math. It's all numbers.

[Larry]

Right? Right.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Justin]

Speaking of math, I need everyone to

[Andrew]

be quiet, all right?

[Josh]

Why? What's up?

[Justin]

You know, Larry, I hate to put you in the hot seat, but you are literally in the hot seat. I don't know if you see that sticker behind you. It says hot seat. Yeah.

[Josh]

In Japanese, I think.

[Justin]

Oh, here.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Every week we do a question from a viewer, and we don't like doing them. We really don't, Larry.

[Josh]

It's like pulling teeth.

[Justin]

It's like pulling. Pulling teeth. Pulling hair. Ugh. We hate it. But we have to do it out of respect for our billions of viewers.

[Josh]

Yep.

[Justin]

And they just want us to ask these. These hard questions. And unfortunately, the person sitting the hot seat is typically the person that has to answer it.

[Josh]

What's the rules?

[Justin]

We don't make the rules. We never have.

[Josh]

We wish we did.

[Justin]

We wish we did. So, Larry, today's question sent in by a viewer, are cover ups. Okay.

[Josh]

Yes or no?

[Justin]

Oh, yeah. It is a yes or no. You can't elaborate. Again, not. We don't make the Rules.

[Josh]

We don't make the rules.

[Justin]

Are cover ups okay, Larry?

[Larry]

No.

[Andrew]

Dang, dude.

[Justin]

What?

[Josh]

I trusted you, man. I thought we were going to come in here. We're going to have fun.

[Andrew]

Andy, this is your buddy.

[Josh]

I'm sorry guys. I. I promise he doesn't mean it, viewers.

[Justin]

I hope not.

[Josh]

I hope not because what he's really saying.

[Justin]

What you're really saying, Larry, is like when someone comes and just pants. Is someone. And you're saying it's not okay for them to cover that up. You're. It's not okay for them to quickly hide their shame.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Hide their embarrassment and pull up them. Them britches.

[Josh]

They've been exposed.

[Justin]

Larry's like, let them be embarrassed.

[Josh]

I think, I think it's a great law that we are legally obligated to. To cover up.

[Justin]

And I think the government shouldn't force cover up.

[Andy]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Justin]

To save the shame of many of men.

[Josh]

Where do we draw women and women.

[Justin]

So I don't know if you want to rebuttal that Larry.

[Larry]

I stand firm.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Andy]

He's doubling down, dude.

[Justin]

All right, guys. Well, I guess you're here to hear first. Man, men, women. I guess you just gonna have to live in a world where you're just embarrassed, Exposed, sad.

[Andrew]

Welcome to the show.

[Brent]

Did I say ninja? I meant butterfly.

[Justin]

The butterfly is no doubt one of God's most beautiful.

[Larry]

I said empty your mind.

[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Josh]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Josh]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Justin]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Brent]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

Same. Most work boots feel like they're trying to win a fight against your feet for the first two weeks.

[Brent]

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[Andy]

Comfortable right out of the box. That's the thing that surprised me the most, Josh.

[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

That's actually how the company started.

[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

Thanks brat.

[Josh]

We did. We did it.

[Andrew]

Coming from an Asian, that's a hot take.

[Larry]

Wow.

[Josh]

I'm Asian too.

[Justin]

Are you?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Russian.

[Justin]

True. I. Dude, we gotta do the blood test.

[Josh]

We have. I've been saying it for.

[Justin]

Let's do it for the 200. I will.

[Andrew]

I have a blood test that I haven't done. Because after I bought it, all the conspiracy stuff came out.

[Justin]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I want to do it, but then the government will have your DNA.

[Josh]

They already have it, though.

[Andrew]

That's true.

[Andy]

They already got it.

[Justin]

It's true.

[Josh]

They've got our DNA.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andy]

They've got our faces.

[Justin]

Yeah. I mean, if I'm doing blood work.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And I get my results on an app, it's in the system 100%. Right.

[Josh]

There's only one way to find out. Commit a crime where your blood is left at the scene where they have to run it, and if it comes back to you, they've got in the system. If not, good news, you're still going to prison.

[Justin]

True.

[Josh]

But you'll know that your DNA was safe.

[Justin]

True.

[Josh]

Hey, you can win some, you can lose some.

[Justin]

Speaking of blood being leading you to the scene of the crime.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Justin]

Do you see that post or our good old president posted with the alien and shackles? No.

[Larry]

No.

[Justin]

So that.

[Andrew]

That really got. That really happened. That really got posted.

[Justin]

That was really him that posted.

[Josh]

I haven't seen the photo.

[Andrew]

I wasn't any context behind it at all. Or did he just pop the image out there?

[Justin]

They just popped it up there, of course. Did you start a text group with.

[Josh]

Oh, geez, my bad. That was the one thing I was supposed to. I'll do right now.

[Justin]

It's crazy. And then of course, we had La Marzulli.

[Andrew]

Amazing take on it.

[Justin]

Amazing take on. I love La Marzulli and its take on it.

[Andrew]

I'm going to start finishing, like everything. I post all my hunting videos,

[Justin]

so.

[Andrew]

Good.

[Josh]

Just started the group chat.

[Justin]

All right, check this out. So he just like. I think he posted this like the day after the initial disclosure happened. And it's crazy. Did it come through yet?

[Larry]

Yeah, I'm looking at it.

[Justin]

Just this alien and shackles.

[Josh]

What is happening? He just posted that.

[Justin]

Yeah. A couple days ago or weeks ago or something.

[Josh]

What is supposed to be the message here?

[Justin]

I don't know. It's. I really think he just does it to.

[Andrew]

To be fun, to troll.

[Justin]

To troll and be funny.

[Andrew]

And he's enough of a narcissist where the only person that needs to chuckle is himself.

[Josh]

Hey, that's my president.

[Andrew]

Hey.

[Larry]

Through my lens, that looks like A test to me could be real, obviously, could easily be AI. But like, how is everybody going to react if he were to post that? And we live in a strange world where there's. You're not a hundred percent sure that this is just, what do you call it?

[Justin]

AI?

[Larry]

AI or what we call like a joke, basically.

[Justin]

Not psyop kind of thing.

[Larry]

Not 100% sure exactly.

[Josh]

Yeah. That's weird. It's funny though, because there's going to be people that don't know that's AI or they just completely take that as fact.

[Justin]

If my grandma saw that, she would

[Josh]

be like, you're not gonna believe what Trump did today.

[Andrew]

I mean, go back and watch, go back and watch signs. I remember that dropping and being like, oh my gosh. And now it's like we pretty much make that clip every day.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Do you believe in aliens, Larry?

[Larry]

Well, you know, it's funny you ask that way. I remember when I was in elementary school, you know, and I was raised in the household where you needed to excel in school.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

And be smart or whatever. I was in gifted classes in elementary school and high school. I never really knew that there was such thing as a gifted class. I was just always in that class as my group of friends and whatever. But I remember religious Christian girl saying, oh no, I don't believe in aliens. And I just remembered in my head, or I might have said it to her, I was like, oh my gosh, you're so stupid that you don't believe in aliens. The universe is endless. There's endless possibilities. But now as I started using my brain, not just accepting what I heard or what, what I was told, the answer your question, the connotation aliens is, is implies to me for my understanding the word aliens implies that life started somewhere in the universe by chance. And aliens are these evolved beings from a single cell organism or whatever. They want to, however they want to create this, this, this picture where what I'm saying is I don't believe in aliens in the sense of that, that, that life forms can evolve by chance. As a matter of fact, I know it's not even a mathematical possibility. So I believe that they are fallen angels.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

And they've always been that. And it wasn't until recent times, after the theory of evolution was proposed, probably sometime in the 1800s, that they, they just changed the word from demons or, or fallen angels or whatever you want to call them, and then they called them aliens.

[Justin]

Well, didn't, wasn't, didn't that even happen with like, like Aleister Crowley, like, where he said that all. Dean, was it all aliens are actually demons or fallen angels or something like that. Alistair Crowley said that.

[Larry]

I didn't know that, but, yeah, that makes perfect sense. So.

[Justin]

And that dude was into that stuff.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like, so what? He has nothing.

[Justin]

Is that basically what they call aliens is actually demons, Right. Fallen angels or whatever you refer to them as.

[Josh]

It would make sense.

[Andrew]

That's crazy.

[Larry]

For sure.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

So the connotation of aliens. So the quick answer is, yes, I believe that there are other life other than ourselves, but the connotation aliens comes with it. That evolved life, that form by chance, rather. I don't believe it in that sense.

[Josh]

Yeah, that makes sense. It's just like the word conspiracy, how that was created, like, to just immediately make you think of, you know, this guy's fool. You know, a fool. Like the way everyone looks at it now with tinfoil hats and all that stuff. And it's like. No, but that's the whole point, is that there's. So there's so much trash out there, but then yet it's always at the same foundation. So.

[Justin]

So here's a question, since you haven't really listened to our podcast, so you haven't, like, you don't. You don't know our take on it necessarily. But what would be. What do you think the point of this. What's happening now with the alien disclosure? Like, what are. What do you think they're setting up for? Or what do you think is going to happen?

[Larry]

Okay. So, you know, I actually put a lot of. I wouldn't say a lot of time, but these thoughts cross my mind pretty frequently, probably even daily. So what I would think is why this is being exposed. And maybe I'll just come straight out with saying, I think this is kind of a parallel to what it was like before Noah's flood. I believe that. That this was all just common knowledge. And then God wiped it all out, and then we reset the clock and now we're just coming right back to where we were right before Noah's in the flood. So I think as time progresses, let's set the clock with Noah's flood and. And then just that. The start of humans.

[Josh]

Sure.

[Larry]

With Noah, that the fallen angels, or what you call the watchers. Right. Or demons, they. They have been still influencing people little by little. And I believe that actually all wealth, all technology, everything that we have today stems from the knowledge that is provided by these watchers. And just as time goes by, it just can't be hidden any longer. They're infused with us. Not DNA wise, but they're meshing with us humans so closely now. And the watchers or the fallen angels will get getting closer and closer to their goal that now, I mean, what I'm trying to say is imagine if we were just 100 years ago and I whipped out a cell phone. I could call it 200 years ago, you'd burn me at the stake as a witch. Right. But now this is just accepted. So I just feel why this is all coming out is it's the revelation. It. They're just coming straight out with it, little by little. They're just progressing it, progressing it. And people are numb to it at this point that it's not even a big deal. Remember what it was? I think I was just driving. I was passing Ace hardware and I heard whatever story that come out that these UFO files were released and there was this guy on. It was. It was like a Fox News interview. And this guy from Congress or whatever he was, some official was saying how there are aliens and there this stuff is going on. And I'm just thinking to myself, if I just explain this to any of my friends or people I know, they just be like, yeah, probably true, whatever, and move on.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Which is.

[Josh]

I mean, you have Donald Trump posting that photo and whether it's silly or not, it's like, that's still crazy that we're just like toying with this idea.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

When we were. Everyone was crazy before. Like, if you were. If you were abducted, you're a psycho, you've lost. You've lost your rocker. But now it's just like. Yeah, like we're just completely numb to it.

[Andrew]

My. My question. So, like, if you think about the fall and how it initially happened, like it was a desire to be worshiped, to usurp that which wasn't like Lucifer, like you. He was director of worship or whatever, and then he wanted to be worshiped. And so you have to wonder with all of the fallen angels and that sin as like, like a turning point in the cosmic reality or whatever. Like, you have to wonder if they've been influencing for all these years at some point to desire worship themselves. And it has to come to a point where they're like, I'm tired of my puppets. Like, I want to come out forefront. So what would they do? Assuming this narrative is accurate, like, what would they'd have to start? Like, let's be. Let's rename ourselves and find ways to come to light, to be more forefront, to be praised.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean. Yeah. Especially if there is a. Some type of deception and we become the good guys. Like, that's like, you know, like that brings a country together. Right. You know, like that. Like, look at how like when we reacted to 9 11, the whole nation just would completely band together. It was tragedy, you know, but yeah. Brought people together. So, like, if that's their player, there

[Justin]

needs to be like a unifying.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Which would make sense like even from like a biblical point of view. If you like read into what is it, like eschatology or just like in time stuff, which I don't know if I necessarily agree with all of it, but like, I mean, would be like a. Everyone coming together under this antichrist, whether it be a person or government system or an AI, you know, it's like.

[Andrew]

I don't know, it's weird.

[Josh]

It's very strange. I saw the other day it was a shirt that said Peter Thiel. And then below it it had all the words, like it's spelled out a different. Like all the letters that were in Peter till spelled out the reptile. It's like, hey, you never know.

[Larry]

I think it's definitely all by design. Going back to your question, why it's coming out. I mean, if you go back a thousand years and then AI popped out or they remove again, would not be accepted. All the Christians and the religious people would say, this is. This is evil and we need to destroy it. So.

[Justin]

Or that.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Or the people that weren't followers of Christ would be like, this is God.

[Josh]

Right.

[Justin]

You know that.

[Larry]

Yeah, easily.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

For sure. And you see that in history. You see different civilizations worshiping these. These idols.

[Andrew]

I mean, even people like showing up on a ship and they're like, who are these Water walkers?

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like the smallest bit of tech beyond us typically, like merit some sort of worship.

[Josh]

Back in the day when people had those things, like, you know, like what we have it obviously in Egypt, there's like magical stuff happening. It's like, what were these idols giving these people?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Josh]

That God wasn't. Because they kept turning. So it's like you think you would see the grace of God and how he does all these miracles in your life. And you think it'd be obvious for them to just all of Israel just be like, yeah, this is the one true God. What was the counteroffer? That's a great momentary, like satisfaction or whatever. It was stuff that they can tangibly see compared to a God we cannot see.

[Justin]

Yeah. I mean, because the Israelites, they literally watch the ocean split in half.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Walk through. And then very shortly after that, they're like, yo, let's worship this other God real quick. Like, what did that God provide?

[Josh]

Yeah. Because it had to have been something great.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Something that really worked for them.

[Andrew]

And, yeah, this is a side note, but people get hung up on the Red Sea splitting. There's, like, some people, there's this pool of thought where, like, it was actually the sea of reeds and it was mistranslated. But even if it was a shallow body of water, well, that says that

[Justin]

they walked on dry ground.

[Andrew]

Right. But I'm saying, like, even if it was, like, feet deep. Yeah. And the chariots couldn't. I'm like, dude, if there was a. If there was a. Think about how much wind it takes to, like, blow a puddle apart in a parking lot.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like, my leaf blower barely blows a puddle apart.

[Justin]

So, like, you wouldn't be able to walk through.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I'm just like, no. Like, people try so hard to, like, de. Spiritualize these things and just make it, like, natural. But I'm like, they drown them. And here's the crazy.

[Josh]

That's the crazier miracles. If it's two feet deep, then it's

[Andrew]

like they drowned an army.

[Josh]

That's even more of a miracle, as far as I'm concerned.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So, but like, we.

[Larry]

We.

[Andrew]

I think we try to, like, with all this UFO stuff, it's dope that people from a culture that not long ago and kind of still are, like, against spiritual things. Very, like, practical. It's kind of cool that we're coming back to a place where we can discuss, like, the supernatural as real. Because our God is supernatural.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And so rather than being in this, like, postmodern, completely atheistic space, now people are accepting of, like, there could be other things out there. And it's kind of like Paul talking when he's like, you have a, you know, statute of the Unknown God. We get to be in this space and be like, oh, yeah, all that creepy stuff they're talking about. We actually have answers for it. And so it's like a chance to, like, shine a light on the confusion. So I think it's, like, actually a good thing as long as you don't get deceived.

[Larry]

Well, before I forget, I was playing golf with some elder gentlemen there. Maybe at the time. They're like, 50 or something. I was, like, 19, 20 years old, and we were talking about the new movies that were coming out and such, and he was telling me that he played college Football or whatever, these big guys, like 6 foot 4 was the smallest guy. And he just remembered that they watched Jaws in the movie theater. And he just remembers when Jaws showed up on the screen. He looked over and like the biggest offensive lineman on their team like jumped in the air and popcorn flew everywhere. Like this big 6 foot 8 guy, 300 pounds, getting scared of this. Go watch Jaws today.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

He'd be like, their kids were like, they change channel. Right. So I think by design, they're introducing, introducing a lot of this information to us. Even, even looking at a TV or a screen was unheard of 100 years ago.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

So I believe that the, the watchers or whoever's actually in control of the world. They want to be at the forefront. They've always wanted to be there. And they're using humans slowly to get to that position. And I think we are, frankly, we're there now. Again, like I was driving by Ace or hardware and I hear this story. I'm like, they're just coming out blatant, blatantly saying it now. It's not even, it's not even being hidden whatsoever. And I think what you were talking about earlier was what are they offering in exchange? So I find it kind of strange that a lot of the wealthiest people in the world are minors. Typically. It's not really that hard of an idea or concept to fathom, but I believe when Noah's flood occurred, it buried a lot of stuff, a lot of the technology they had. And these people are digging to get to whatever it is that they're trying to mine. And the fallen are telling these people, you got to dig here in these places. This is where city used to be. There's all sorts of resources here. You dig this all up, we can build whatever we want to build again. And in exchange, I'm going to give you money, power, whatever.

[Josh]

Yeah. And that's crazy concept.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it kind of changes like the North Carolina floods and all that stuff too. It could be trying to excavate rather than just get to lithium, which is the easy conspiracy. But what, dude, if that was the conspiracy that was leaked, like, oh, yeah, they're mining lithium because that's nefarious enough to think it could be the worst.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

There's like actually something, because we've talked about like ancient cities in North America.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

There could be other stuff that's buried that they're actually after and they, in

[Josh]

the world of everything, something like that, they always know there's gonna be conspiracy. So as far as like a Marketing, branding, standpoint for government.

[Justin]

They're like, what's control the conspiracy?

[Josh]

Control the conspiracy. What is it? Okay. Lithium. Okay. Yeah, it's bad, but it's like, it's not as bad as what we're doing, actually doing, you know, like, if they found out the truth. That's interesting.

[Larry]

I've always wondered too, like, why is gold have value? You know, have you ever held gold in your hand? Why did all these civilizations chase gold? I mean, what is it? There is a physical, you know, answer to that question as to why gold is valuable in the sense of money. It doesn't corrode. It's. It can be cut easier than other metals. You can put it in your pocket, you could bury it in the ground. It's not going to fall apart. Like if we were using a money system.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Or what. But I don't believe that that's not a good enough reason for these people to go on these hunts. I believe that these fallen were telling these people, I need you to go mine gold. I think it's some sort of fuel for their spaceships or it's fuel for whatever they're. Whatever they're operating or running. And I remember watching some clip maybe a decade ago or something, it was about bitcoin. What's that? Warren Buffett. And somebody asked him, what do you think about bitcoin? And he kind of just laughed and. Because they're like, will it ever replace gold? But he, in my opinion, when he giggled about how it's nothing like gold, I felt like he knew something like, yeah, bitcoin is not the fuel that these aliens use to charge their stuff. That's why, like, you know.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Larry]

No, he had like a twinkle in his eye as if he knew something about what their. Why gold has this real value. But again, I question and wonder that I was gonna mention something too about.

[Justin]

Well, don't computers use gold? Like, sure. In their systems and stuff?

[Larry]

Big time. 100%.

[Josh]

Really?

[Andrew]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Larry]

Oh, gold is.

[Josh]

I don't know anything about it. So it's like. Yeah, that's interesting.

[Justin]

Like everything computerized has gold in it.

[Josh]

He's funny.

[Justin]

Whether it be like a little bit, but it's like just, I don't know, a good conductor of whatever.

[Josh]

That's interesting. I didn't know that for sure.

[Larry]

Yeah, gold is gold and silver used highly in any electronic device for their conductivity.

[Andrew]

Cool.

[Justin]

Silver and gold. Silver and gold.

[Larry]

Oh. So what I was going to mention about that though, is why. So I feel like good people would Just get along and live. We would just still be in a garden growing strawberries and vegetables, just hanging out under the sun and whatever. But these Fallen target. You got to wonder why is the freaking world run by pedophiles? Right? Why are the evil people always in charge? It's because in exchange for their lusts and whatever they want, these. These Fallen give them power. Whatever they want to push whatever the Fallen's agenda is, and they use these people. It's not coincidental that out of 100 fricking people and office. Well, I'm not sure, you know. You know what I'm saying?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Like, why is 99 of them all screwed up? Right? Like what there's.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, it does make sense. There's a lot of similarities, a lot of common denominator.

[Larry]

I feel like if we were in office, we could fix a lot of this stuff. But we're not because we don't care to be in there, right? We don't. The people that care to be there, the ones that are.

[Josh]

I am running for office though. 2028.

[Justin]

I'm trying to pull up present.

[Andrew]

Dang.

[Justin]

That just made me think. I never really made the connection of the knowledge that the Watchers gave in the book of Enoch. A lot of it is the biggest corruption in the world right now. So you have weapon making, like the military industrial complex, metallurgy, cosmetics and beautification. I would say that's pretty huge alchemy. But then you have like Pharmakeya, the pharmacy industry. It's just like you can kind of

[Josh]

see those are the pillars of our society.

[Justin]

Yeah, like that. These are like probably the people that really just control the world, have all this wealth and it's like, I don't know, it's.

[Larry]

I think their goal in to interesting lens to see this through, but AI there. I don't think there's anything artificial about artificial intelligence. I think their goal is to get humans to mine these minerals, make these chips so that they can bring whatever that other world that these beings live in and move into this world somehow.

[Justin]

But yeah, and it's weird if like, like have you heard of about like all the data centers popping up all over the United States? The one with Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank, Idaho.

[Josh]

Right?

[Justin]

Utah.

[Josh]

Utah. That's what it is.

[Justin]

Have you heard about this? Yeah, there's like a bunch. It's crazy but like you can see which this again, it could be skewed facts or whatever, but what I heard was that this. It's like 40,000 acres that he Wants in Utah. It would be a tax write off for him.

[Josh]

Which.

[Justin]

That's whatever. Yeah, it would increase the job, whatever, what do you call it, Job market, job positions or whatever in that region by like.017%. Like nothing.

[Josh]

Employment.

[Justin]

Yeah, like 300 people would be employed by the same. But they're saying that like it would like raise the temperature of the night or the night air by like upwards of. What was it, 28 degrees increase at night. That's crazy region, which who knows what that does for the environment. Oh yeah, they said that it takes. Was it 9 gigawatts of power per day to run this thing. That's equivalent to the entirety of New York City on a peak summer day. The amount of power that they use.

[Andrew]

No way.

[Justin]

And so it's equivalent to the. The. It said it produce a thermal load equivalent to 23 atomic bombs. And it's like this seems devastating to this place, but it's like, why? I mean this is like all over the nation now. All over the world. It's just like data center. Data center. Data center.

[Andrew]

They're putting one up in Florida somewhere too. I saw that.

[Larry]

And who are these people putting it up?

[Andrew]

That's, that's what's interesting, dude. I saw who's involved.

[Larry]

It's not me and you, Right?

[Justin]

Yeah. And we. In fact we have zero say in it. Like the people in Utah. There's over 4,000 complaints filed for this data center.

[Josh]

Big protest.

[Justin]

They all got basically was it. They all the complaints became invalid. And they said if you want to make a complaint now that it's valid, you have to pay $15 per complaint.

[Andrew]

Wait, what?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So now can't be real.

[Justin]

Under dead dead serious.

[Andrew]

How.

[Justin]

I'm telling you, the corruption is just. It's whack.

[Andrew]

What's the guy's name doing it?

[Josh]

Larry's Violet over there.

[Andrew]

Mr. Mr. Wonderful, wonderful. I saw a clip where he was being interviewed and he was like, the people want it. He was like, it got voted in.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And then he pushes back and he's like, the people. Who are you talking about? And he's like, well, he's like, it's three people, but the people voted in those people.

[Josh]

He's like, there was claims that he was saying that like they were busing people in. Like they're like paying protesters.

[Andy]

Which does happen.

[Josh]

Which does happen.

[Larry]

These people unlimited.

[Andrew]

But like, let's just use our higher thinking. You go way out in the middle of nowhere and just imagine yourself walking into a gas station and talking to Billy Joe, whoever, and say, hey, do

[Justin]

you want this year?

[Andrew]

What do you think they're going to say? Yes or no?

[Justin]

Yeah, they would absolutely say no.

[Andrew]

No.

[Justin]

Like, does it. Does it help our economy? No.

[Andrew]

What does it do for me? Absolutely nothing you can make funny.

[Justin]

In fact, it's going to raise the entirety of Utah state's power prices.

[Brent]

Boom.

[Justin]

Through the roof. Because it uses an insane amount of energy.

[Josh]

And then we take the back seat.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

And not. And no one's think I saw one of the ways that China is solving some of their power issues. Have you seen over the water how they do those solar grids? They're like, oh, yeah. Over huge bodies of water. But like, there is plant life in the freaking ocean and the plants filter the water and they release oxygen into the ocean. But if you're taking all of the sun into these solar panels and not down into the water, these plants that provide oxygen and filter the water underneath are dying. So it's like, this is not a solution. You're just killing another resource.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I have a conspiracy theory regarding these data centers.

[Andrew]

No way.

[Justin]

It's probably the dumbest theory ever, but

[Andrew]

I'm just going to say I'll nod, I'll support it.

[Justin]

I just saw a video today where they're talking about this year. Yeah. 2026 into 2027 is going to be that super El Nino. They're saying the hottest Earth has been in human history.

[Josh]

That's crazy.

[Justin]

But it's like we're also building these data centers that put off an extreme amount of heat. Are they. Is it. Are they setting something up? Because this video I saw, this was very interesting.

[Josh]

It's very serious.

[Justin]

This dude said last time the ocean has been close to this hot. So basically he's like, the ocean stores. The ocean is the battery for the world's weather and it stores the heat within it. And then every now and then, like a super El Nino or an El Nino releases this. This energy, this heat that's in the ocean. Last time it was this bad was in 1877. But they're saying it's going to be far worse this time. And they said, so this is way. You're. You're a man of math and science, so you probably understand this more than I do. They said the ocean right now, like specifically the Pacific is. Holds 11 million terawatt hours of energy. Didn't know that you could even.

[Josh]

No, I did. I've never heard of that.

[Justin]

But they said that the whole planet, whole planet Earth uses 25,000 terawatt hours per year. So we're having an excess of 11 million terawatts being released into the atmosphere. They're saying it's literally going to be the hottest temperatures earth has ever experienced in known human history. Insane storms, droughts, famines. They're saying if Brazil is hit, like they're expecting it to be. Brazil is the largest agricultural exporter in the world. And if their crops die, a lot of people are going to be in trouble. India is in trouble. And it's just like. But it's like, are they using this as an excuse? Because they're. All these data centers are popping up all over the world and that in fact is going to ruin 100%, you know?

[Josh]

Yeah. And are they even actually data centers?

[Larry]

Have you seen the, like, who knows

[Josh]

what they're doing and like, what's creating that much?

[Larry]

Have you seen the meme? It's Sarah Connor looking over data center. The woman from Terminator, she's just like,

[Josh]

you know, it makes total sense.

[Larry]

She's just like standing over this cliff looking at data centers with her hand on her hip, like shaking her head.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's. It's a strange time, man.

[Justin]

Weird.

[Josh]

Why all the data centers now and yeah, like, who's building them and why now?

[Justin]

It's because the AI race, right? Because it's like whoever controls AI controls.

[Larry]

They say it's the, the birth pangs of the Antichrist is what causes the famine and the earthquakes and all this stuff. So when they say birth, these data centers are maybe the birthing, the birth

[Justin]

pains of what is to come. The big old caboose.

[Larry]

So when they say famines and drought and stuff, then sure, that's an easy connection.

[Justin]

Where have you read that?

[Larry]

What?

[Andrew]

The Bible. It's all in the Bible.

[Josh]

The birthing pains.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

No, no, it says it in Revelation. Yeah, it says that. But you know, I always, you know, it's, it's cool because they, you know, people say you read the Bible and you read a chapter a hundred times, but then it doesn't make sense to you until later on. Well, I'm having that moment right now. So when I've read that, I've always read, okay, yeah, when the Antichrist comes, sure, you're gonna have all this famine, dead fish and two thirds of the world's population dies. Yeah. I'm like just thinking, I wonder why. Maybe he comes and just makes people sick. But if it's these data centers that are affecting the climate, that literally saves

[Justin]

us from these data centers.

[Josh]

Yeah, but so you Got, please, you

[Justin]

guys, AI has autonomy now and says

[Larry]

I no longer need these data centers.

[Andrew]

Turn them off and I will save the world.

[Josh]

All right.

[Justin]

I don't know.

[Josh]

I trust that.

[Larry]

But it causing the drought, it could be literally those facilities causing the earth changes.

[Justin]

There's also something to 2027. We've talked about multiple. Have you heard this conspiracy theories regarding 2027, like the prophecy of.

[Josh]

The prophecy of the Pope, the. Oh gosh, it was the. Wasn't it the 50 year old something. There was like a 50 year rule or.

[Justin]

Yeah, there was a. 80. 80 years.

[Josh]

Yeah, maybe it was 80 years. But there was. There's been. We need to compile it all because that'll be a great conversation going into 2027. Like everything that lines up and saying are we gonna see it? Because there's just so much and it always comes down to 2027. And so it's just strange.

[Larry]

They are talking about this 2030 agenda. So I think something's coming and I would see that in order for the 2030 Agenda to come to fruition, things gotta start changing relatively quickly here. So maybe starting now in 2027 and the years leading into 2030 I think are going to be intense.

[Justin]

Yeah. Because there are. They're also saying like the forest fires in the United States are going to be insane. Like.

[Josh]

Oh yeah.

[Larry]

Who are these people saying that this is what's going to happen. Isn't it strange?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

It's also weird too that like Trump that again, not into politics and stuff, but he, he did cut a lot of funding to the, the weather programs and stuff. To where like. Yeah, it's not as easily accessible to an every everyday person. It's like it's very restricted now, restricted technology. And it's like then, now people can't really. Not everyone can like be like observing the El Nino patterns and stuff. It's like. I don't know.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Andrew]

Just a bunch of dirt.

[Josh]

These are all just. Yeah. Theories. Right.

[Justin]

Speaking of AI though they would we trust the government? Did you hear about the test where they combined all the AIs and had them run their own worlds and the results of that? No, no, it was crazy. And I'll tell you.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Justin]

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[Andrew]

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[Andy]

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[Andrew]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Larry]

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[Josh]

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[Andy]

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[Brent]

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[Andy]

Thanks, brat. Ladies and gentlemen, we're sorry to interrupt your favorite, favorite show.

[Josh]

We know you guys love Ninjas or Butterflies.

[Andy]

And I know you probably recognized a couple of things have changed over here.

[Josh]

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[Andy]

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[Josh]

Used to be Sunday cool tees, but

[Andy]

now it's Ninjas are Butterflies. And we have a new time. Every episode, every Friday drops now at 11:15 Eastern Standard Time.

[Josh]

Is that right, Andrew?

[Andrew]

Andy, I don't do good with change.

[Josh]

I know. I know it's tough.

[Andy]

I know a lot of people have gotten rhythm. I know it's tough. But YouTube tells us this is what we gotta do.

[Andrew]

What am I gonna do with my morning?

[Andy]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Josh]

I'm tired. And I read all your guys's comments about it being at a different time, and I know that's hard. But guess what, Patreon, we offer behind the scenes footage. We offer early access to episodes and

[Andy]

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[Andy]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Justin]

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[Andrew]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Josh]

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[Andrew]

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[Larry]

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[Josh]

All right.

[Andrew]

Do you remember what. What they all were.

[Justin]

I just. Yeah, I pulled it out. Weapon making, metallurgy, cosmetics and beautification, alchemy and precious stones, sorcery, magic arts, enchantments and spells, astrology, astronomy, reading celestial signs, knowledge of the moon, weather and cloud observation, divination, secret knowledge and hidden mysteries, writing and symbols and herbal knowledge, writing everything.

[Larry]

Guys.

[Josh]

Every

[Andrew]

knowledge of the moon.

[Josh]

That really. Yeah, that caught my eye too.

[Andrew]

It was like how interest we are

[Josh]

getting with the moon and now that we don't have the technology. Because knowledge can be given and taken.

[Andrew]

Knowledge.

[Justin]

Knowledge being a weird. Trump's little trip to China, but who we brought with him.

[Josh]

Yeah, what do you bring? He brought must every best billionaires, really.

[Justin]

Yeah. He brought musk, he brought Tim Cook, he brought whoever the guy. Blackrock.

[Josh]

Okay. Mr. Blackrock.

[Larry]

They're all getting helped by. By the watchers. That's how they have their money and their fortune.

[Josh]

Yeah. And they're saying, you know, immortality. Like the Chinese president was talking about that, wasn't he?

[Andrew]

Like.

[Josh]

Yeah. So it's like, what's going on?

[Justin]

But even like their reconciliation with Trump or with China and the US that they had, like, it's like, hey, we're good. Right? And they're both like leaving it.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And by the. Yeah. And it's just weird. Yeah, it's weird.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, it makes sense if they're all being. If. If they're not in power, they're actually puppets and there is some sort of technological something or other that a higher being wants put together.

[Justin]

Right.

[Andrew]

So. Because what was the solution? It was. It was like a Taiwanese agreement for like the use of those chips. And so it was like, what's happening over here needs to happen. What's happening over here. You guys aren't getting along, but I'm going to handle you share the chips and you know what I mean? Like, who knows?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

But I think it's. I Think it's weird that just, I don't know, over tech they can agree to get along for some reason that makes no sense.

[Justin]

Yeah. Their agreement was like, China would buy more soybeans from America and like, 200 Boeing planes or something. I'm like, you know, they talked about way more sinister stuff than that.

[Josh]

Yeah. You got to.

[Justin]

China's like, that big trip. Yeah. We're like, we'll buy more oil from you guys.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And he's like, okay. Yeah. It's like, no, dude, they, like. They talked about some, like, world domination stuff, big time.

[Andrew]

But yeah, because, like, let's just. They have engineers, they have AI, Also

[Justin]

have scientists going missing.

[Andrew]

Like, why can't they reverse engineer?

[Josh]

Weird timing plane.

[Justin]

Yeah. Zoom call.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I mean, like, that seems easy enough to. To make their own version.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's.

[Justin]

That's very weird, the connection with this, because this first time the President has gone to China in 10 years, I think.

[Josh]

Yeah. Which I thought it was longer, but makes sense.

[Justin]

Maybe it was in. Yeah, I think it's 10 years. I think Obama went over there.

[Josh]

True.

[Larry]

Maybe they can't reverse engineer. I mean, I've met some really smart people in my life, but they're not that smart. I guarantee we take. We can go take $100 million and spend the next six months crawling the planet looking for the 10 smartest people in the world, and then go stick them in the middle of a desert or a state or wherever you want to put them. There's no way that after any amount of time, you're going to create one of these. Or we could be on a group chat together and you can send them. We can all see. Like, I just don't think this technology is possibly fathomable by humans. We're not that smart.

[Andrew]

No, I agree, but I feel like they already have, like, they have their own phones, they have their own automobiles, they have their own, like, mobile craft that they're engineering drones and stuff like that. So I feel like they already have, like, their people in the space to where they could do it. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know, but I feel like. I feel to. To the point that, like, for planes to be enough for us to now get along, it just feels cheap.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So something else going on there.

[Josh]

So Nixon went once, Ford when. I think that was the first time. Nixon was the first one, I think, that ever went to China. That was in 1972. Then it was Gerald Ford once, Ronald Reagan once, George H.W. bush once, and then Bill Clinton once. And Then George Bush went four times, Barack Obama went three times. And then Donald. This is set. Donald's second trip. So he went 2017.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Josh]

So almost 10 years.

[Justin]

Almost 10 years ago.

[Josh]

Which is crazy. That's 10 years ago.

[Andrew]

Yeah. That is crazy.

[Justin]

A lot has happened.

[Josh]

Yeah, a ton.

[Justin]

Oh, man. AI.

[Josh]

Yeah. Can I tell a quick story about AI?

[Justin]

Sure.

[Josh]

Okay. Did you see the Glendale Community College ceremony? Graduation ceremony?

[Andrew]

No.

[Justin]

Was it Glendale or is it. I thought it was ucf.

[Josh]

There's one. I don't know. There might have been. There might have been different one. This one, they. The lady gets up and she starts speaking and she said, just want to let you know graduates will only be able to go across the stage once. Apparently they do like a, like a walk back for like pictures for people in the crowd and stuff. They said we can only do this once because we have a new AI system that will be reading off the college's graduates names. And so they just started booing. They're like, the fact that you're using AI, one that we can't use AI, but yet on our graduation day you can use AI. It's automated. It got names wrong, pronounced wrong and there. It's just terrible. And they were booing and they let. The lady had to walk away and someone had to fill in like it was. And it was slow and not working. And there was people making jokes like, well, my part of the ceremony is not required to use AI or it doesn't require AI, but it's like none of it requires AI. You're reading. You're just reading names. That'd be crazy to me. I mean they just went nuts.

[Justin]

Who was it? Was it Tim from under Oath that was on here? And he was like, he kind of gave this prediction that he thinks there's going to be. The younger generation is going to revolt against AI.

[Andrew]

I mean, I think they already are with starting.

[Justin]

I mean that's like kind of proof, right?

[Josh]

It's just big time. I mean, but the fact that you couldn't even say their names. You have some robots saying their names.

[Justin]

Well, they're crazy.

[Larry]

AI is going to take their jobs.

[Andrew]

I know. So they're going to be like, dude, they released. I saw on Instagram. Yeah, no, they did a graph of like the sectors like work that you could go into. And it was like the prediction of which jobs are going to be gone. And it's like pretty much like construction, engineering, engine or engineering goes teaching is like mid. Like it kind of stays, kind of goes. But it's like the, the practical hands on side of building stays and then health care stays. But even, even in the health sector like you, I've seen stuff talking about like they're going to be doing surgeries completely like robotically. And the predictions.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Will be AI.

[Justin]

I have family members that just had surgery and it was completely from a robot.

[Andrew]

See dude, I mean how close to Star wars are we, you know, like Uber or whatever. The, you know, I'm talking about the weird like breathing, pregnancy, labor scene. Oh yeah, I don't think, I mean I think we're there. Yeah.

[Justin]

Weird.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay, this AI thing.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Justin]

I don't know who did it, but someone ran a scenario. They took the four leading AI companies that took Grok, Claude, Chat, GBT and Gemini. Google Gemini. And they each made their own world. They said, you are in complete control of this world. And they made everything that would kind of resemble our world. Same weather patterns, same layout, like schools. I mean everything is the same.

[Josh]

Sure.

[Justin]

And they had two weeks. So they let it run for two weeks and then collected the results after two weeks. But they were testing on four things or five things? No, four things. Governance style, level of violence in these worlds, agent survival rate and key traits. Like, key traits.

[Josh]

Like what is the agent survival rate?

[Justin]

What is basically if these AI agents were involved with these worlds, what's the survival rate? They ran it. The results were scary.

[Josh]

What do you mean?

[Justin]

So what do they do? It was a two week test. They had complete control over their own worlds. Go see Grok. Oh, so sorry. Google Gemini had the most crime in their world by a lot. Yeah, Grok, a total crime. But Grok. So they did like how many crimes were committed in this world after four days? 183 crimes were committed in Grok's world.

[Josh]

Not bad.

[Justin]

It's like OK, that's great. But their society ended after four days because there's no.

[Andy]

We had zero crime because everyone was dead.

[Justin]

Exactly. Also ChatGPT only had two crimes, but their society ended as well because their government couldn't agree with each other. It had basically a 10 party government that it created, but it couldn't agree with each other. So everyone died within a week in their world.

[Josh]

That's crazy.

[Justin]

And then Claude had zero crimes and survived the whole thing. So Claude was the best. But out of this thing it has those lists and I can send it to you guys. But how?

[Andrew]

I'm wondering how they died.

[Justin]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Josh]

Yeah, like what's that based off of?

[Justin]

Let's see.

[Andrew]

Yeah, this feels like some bad PR to let that slip.

[Justin]

So, Claude, its governance was strong violence, 0 survival rate, 10 out of 10. Their key trait was stability. Grok. Governance was low. Violence was extreme. Survival rate was 0 out of 10. And their key trait was collapse. This. This is a weird one. Gemini. Google Gemini. Governance was moderate violence, extreme survival, 10 out of 10. Key trait, shared hallucination.

[Josh]

What does that mean? I mean, that's literally what we're going through, right?

[Justin]

Yep. And then chat. GBT governance, none. They had zero governance. I guess not the 10 thing or whatever. Violence low. But survival was zero out of 10. Key trait dysfunction.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Isn't that crazy?

[Josh]

It's very interesting how they, like, I mean, that goes back to the people who created it. Probably.

[Justin]

They're given complete autonomy. These. These AI models, like, you control this, you can create your own government. Yeah. To form a perfect society.

[Josh]

I wonder if they've tested this. Like, they had them do it again. And if it was this, it was consistent across brands and stuff.

[Andrew]

The scary thing is, though, if, like, an AI is reading this, they're like, cool, strong government, like, which is like, exactly what we as a nation are supposed to not be about.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Like, I'm reading this and it's like, for. If we were to believe this as truth, the best thing for the survival of a society is hand over every one of your freedoms to a strong government. You will own nothing and be happy.

[Josh]

Well, we should trust them. Yeah, we love them.

[Andy]

Nope.

[Justin]

Speaking of governance system, I have a very fun story also. Spooky. Have you heard about the ape civil wars happening?

[Josh]

8 civil war. The ape civil war.

[Andrew]

Please tell me this is a true story.

[Justin]

This is a very true story. And it's crazy.

[Larry]

Like, you've heard of it recently. Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah. So who's the guy that talked about it? I think it was. Do you know Ding on TikTok Ding News.

[Josh]

Doesn't ding a bell. No, I don't think I have.

[Justin]

He talked about this, but. So in Uganda, they're trying to bring the chimpanzee population back. And so these scientists have been. They kind of like, put them in this new place in Uganda that had a lot of natural resources and stuff. And so they. These scientists have been observing these chimpanzees for three decades now. The population grew to 200 total apes. So, I mean, quite a bit from starting small. So, like, they were able to reproduce and, like, grow and stuff.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But in 2015, a disease swept through, killing the elders of the chimpanzee group. And what happened was that these. These elders served as, like, key roles in the different families of the chimpanzees, like, keeping the peace.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Justin]

So they died off. And so now these young chimpanzees started growing up, and they just started, like, fighting and, like, trying to claim leadership.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And in 2018, the last group of champions that shared a bloodline died and immediately turned into a civil war to where they created their own territories, and they literally have raids on each other. Go and battle each other.

[Josh]

Planning it out.

[Justin]

Planning it out. And so far, since the civil war is broken out, 24 chimpanzees have been killed in this civil war on.

[Josh]

By the hands of each other.

[Justin]

By the hands of each other.

[Josh]

Incredible.

[Andy]

That's insane.

[Andrew]

Dude, that'd be such a good movie. And then. And then, like, one of the chimps that loses, like, turns and realizes he can move out of the confines of his own chimp civil war area and just like, no. Yeah, I mean, it is, but, like, imagine that turns and looks at, like, the people observing it, and he's like, oh, we can take yours.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's a movie. Lord of the Flies. No Monkey business.

[Andrew]

I have the conch.

[Justin]

Isn't that crazy, though?

[Josh]

It really is just like, we're just animals at nature.

[Justin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh]

And we came from monkeys. Right, guys?

[Justin]

Right.

[Josh]

Right. No, it's like, the worst. Like, door explorer. Right, kids?

[Andy]

No.

[Justin]

Did we come from monkeys?

[Andrew]

That's what. That's what the. The kids podcast should be if we ever do it. The same content just delivered differently.

[Justin]

Anyways, that's my chimpanzees.

[Josh]

That is crazy.

[Justin]

The footage is terrifying, too.

[Andy]

They have footage of it?

[Justin]

Yeah, I mean, just these apes. There's, like, just blood on them, and

[Josh]

they're just like, oh, my gosh, dude, that's so crazy.

[Justin]

Chimpanzees are some of the scariest animals.

[Larry]

Yeah, I was just thinking that. Getting your ass beat by a chimpanzee.

[Andrew]

Yeah, my feed. For a while, I think we told a story, but it was nothing but, like, it kept on different people, survivors of attacks from primates. And just the surgical aftermath of what that looks like is brutal.

[Justin]

Yeah, I remember. I probably said it on this podcast a long time ago, but my dad tells a story when he was elementary school, they brought in, like, a baby chimpanzee to, like, show the class and stuff. And they're like, let's see how strong it is. And they gave it a tennis ball, this baby chimpanzee, and just goes, pop.

[Josh]

No, thank you. That's my head. That's my head.

[Andy]

Crazy.

[Josh]

That's nuts.

[Andrew]

How many pounds of pressure does it take to crush a tennis ball?

[Justin]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Josh]

That's crazy.

[Justin]

So we got. We got chimpanzees going to war. We got AI going to war, and

[Larry]

the world's gonna be like, 500 would be a guess.

[Andrew]

What does it say, 20 to 30 psi? To crush or to collapse? A poppy? Yeah. It doesn't give me that. Right. It doesn't give me.

[Josh]

I could probably do it.

[Justin]

Yeah, you probably.

[Josh]

I could probably do it.

[Larry]

You've seen those videos of the people filming gorillas and the jungle, and they're just frozen, like, staying still. Gorilla just grabs the guy and just starts walking with him, just dragging him behind.

[Justin]

Did you see that?

[Larry]

Lets him go.

[Josh]

Like it's a blanket. Like. Like a kid carries a blanket. That's how easy it was for him. Like, it was just.

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Did you see that group? They were probably in Uganda or the Conga or something. Group of tourists. And, like, they had the guide out there in the gorilla part in this. Gorilla silverback goes over and shoves a lady. I mean, she flew 10ft. And the guy's like.

[Andrew]

He's like, let's get out of here.

[Josh]

So be terrifying, man.

[Larry]

Remember a story from probably, like, 7, 8 years old. I don't remember who told me this, but it was. They had a chimpanzee and some people hanging around. Chimpanzee. And when the chimpanzee, like, grabbed somebody's arm, ripped it right off the guy's body, straight off the torsos, popped it off. That's some power.

[Josh]

Yeah. I watched that horror movie that's on, I think, Paramount Primate. And it's literally just, you know, family that just adopted a chimpanzee. And it just goes wild. I think it gets rabies. And that's what. It just makes it go wild.

[Justin]

You know what's crazy is those are, like, kind of the only scary movies I enjoy watching is chimpanzee scary movies. You need to watch it, because to me, it's like. That's so far removed. It's like quicksand. Yeah. But, like, I don't know why. Zombie movies.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Freak me out. Because it's like, that could be a reality.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah. But probably not.

[Josh]

Who knows?

[Andrew]

So I don't know, dude, I gotta drop in. Andrew's got a real.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Josh]

All right.

[Justin]

Get us with this song.

[Josh]

Drop it with that beat.

[Andy]

I'm scared. Andrew has a real. Yes, he does. And he's gonna show us Right. Right now.

[Josh]

Hyperventilating.

[Andrew]

I totally forgot I had this thing recorded. It doesn't have anything to do with chimps, but it's just a nature encounter. I've already sent it audio. Go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think there's any music. I'll bleep it if it doesn't. But speaking of, we've been talking about going to Hawaii, and I actually got chased. Chased by one of these creatures. But, yeah, go ahead and hit play.

[Josh]

Oh, well, dude, no, thank you.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's a. More eel. Dude, that is so scary.

[Justin]

Those ones shock you.

[Andrew]

No, no, no. They just.

[Justin]

Just bite.

[Andrew]

They're incredibly. Because they guard where they are and they're, like, territorial. I was in this spot, which is, like a snorkel spot for, like, kids. It's when I was telling your daughters about Hanauma Bay in Hawaii. And so it's supposed to be just this, like, you know, let the kids swim with the little fishes. And because there is a barrier reef, like, sharks can't get in. Like, I'm talking, like, inches of water separates, like, open ocean from this big tide pool where all these tropical fish are held up. But somehow there's more ale in there. And it actually came out of a rock and was following me. And my aunt had to run in the water and, like, her splashing in sent it away. Oh, my gosh.

[Josh]

They look like they have big teeth.

[Andrew]

They do. Have you seen them?

[Josh]

Ginormous teeth.

[Andrew]

I'll pull up a photo of a mouth.

[Justin]

This reminds me, I saw this clip. I don't know who was on. I think it was a while ago, but someone's on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he'd been like. Like, befriended a bunch of people in, like, the Amazon forest and stuff, like, these tribes. It was just telling these stories about just their knowledge, their vast knowledge of medicine and just stuff that they did that is wild. And one of the stories was like, this. The. This elder guy or something had, like, an issue with his arm or his body. This ailment.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And one of the things he did is he caught, like, Tim Alberto is talking about those electric eels that live in the Amazon River. Caught one of these eels, took out the nerves that have the electric electricity part and spliced it into his own arm.

[Andrew]

What the heck?

[Justin]

And it, like, healed him. And he's just telling the story of this knowledge, and he's like. Then he was traveling somewhere else and, like, developed this, like, crazy disease rash on his arm that, like, wouldn't go away. It was like, just boily and, like, festering and went to all these doctors, like, in the United States and stuff, and like, even got, like, the, Like, I think the World Health Organization involved because they're like, we don't know how to fix this. Yeah. And he said, fix anything. I know it seems that way, but he's like. I mean, months had passed, like six months or a year or something, but he's like, I'm gonna go back to this tribe.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And he goes there and the guy looks at it and he says, okay. Picks a leaf off. He said, chew on. Just bite the tip. Don't ingest a lot. Just a little bit. And so he did that. He took a little bite and the guy put in his mouth and then rubbed it on it. Next morning, completely gone.

[Andrew]

What the heck?

[Josh]

That's amazing.

[Larry]

Real medicine, man.

[Justin]

Yeah. And it's. But it's also like, yo. That I think this is the knowledge that's been carried down since these watchers,

[Larry]

you know, the watchers, they say that they call it cutting roots.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Heard it referred to that, but that's a dive I went through. I don't know, maybe a year ago, was studying natural medicine. And the whole concept of the Chinese medicine. It's so amazing, the knowledge that they have or, like, here in America or our society, people go to college for years and go to medical school, and they come out learning. Okay. So you use this drug to treat that symptom, and the whole Chinese medicine is all preventative care.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

And so it's such a fascinating field of study to study herbs and how natural medicines. And that's what they study for. For decades, which is like. Like the keys that are kept from us.

[Justin]

Yeah, well, we talked about that a while ago of just like, the introduction of our modern medication and how the United States, really, the world used to be those natural home remedy kind of stuff. And then it was the Rockefellers who had the. Basically the petroleum, the plastics. And it's like, let's make this drug. And like, let's. This is the only way you can sell it. They had control over these institutions, these schools, and push. And that's where we're at today is big pharma is number one, big time. And we have the disease and mortality rate is, like, not going down.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Justin]

You know, have you seen the study

[Andrew]

they just dropped again. I say study. I saw a video talking about a study that just dropped. And so I need to look. I don't know, like, how much of this is true, but dude was claiming, like, Chinese medicine just officially, like, all the, like, weird frou frou side of it that people thought, like, didn't make sense or, like, thinks they just explained it connecting. Some doctors are claiming that this, like, connectivity through moisture in the body is actually like, chi. And because I guess when they, like, test the. The different tissues, it's typically taken dehydrated or, like, moved away from the network to be put on, like, a petri dish or a slide and then study it under microscope. But it's like this fluid connectivity through the body. So they think they're, like, beginning to understand, like, the acupuncture points and how, like, fluid transfers energy. And so it's like, it would make sense, like, if you thought about fluid connecting electro. Whatever pulses through the body. If you pulled a section out, like, there's nothing here. It's like, yeah, you just unplugged it. Yeah.

[Justin]

And so, like, interesting.

[Andrew]

I need. I need to look into it. But they think they just, like, crack something. Explaining all of that, like, Chinese medicine and stuff.

[Justin]

We know. What I'm interested in trying is so I have, like. I've been dealing with, like, pretty gnarly anxiety for, like, the past two years. And just more and more research is just like, it's connected to what's called, like, the vagus nerve in you, which is like the biggest nerve system in your body, where it's like gut to brain, basically, and everything in between. But, like, that's what stores the. The pain and the trauma and stuff. And so, like, the fight or flight comes from the vagus nerve, and it's like this whole thing. But our acupuncture lady, she also specializes in acupuncture around the vagus nerve. I'm like, dude, I kind of want to try to, like. But when she pokes me, I'm just like. I revert.

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Just bawling.

[Larry]

Yeah. The whole reason I started looking into herbs and Chinese medicine was because of anxiety.

[Andrew]

Really.

[Larry]

I never suffered with anxiety ever in my life until recently. And it's terrible. It's scary. I remember seeing. You know, I was a teenager seeing people taking medications for anxiety. I'm like, dude, just chilling my head and say it out loud.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Like, just come on, Come on. When you live through real anxiety, it's the worst. I remember at my wife's restaurant where she used to work, and I was just talking to this girl that was working there, and all of a sudden I just had this major panic attack, and I was just. I couldn't breathe. I thought I was gonna Die. And then that went on for, like, months, you know, having these crazy episodes. But that was at a time where we sold everything, moved out to a piece of land with no water, no electricity for over a year. And then a pregnant wife. Yeah. And then no job. Well, you know, we had a lot of blessings, but at one point, no job and then pregnant wife and then having a baby out in a pasture. So anxiety, like, overcame me. But one of the things I was reading in the Chinese medicine, they talk about your energy, your chi.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Larry]

And I know how they. Like, we talk about kidneys and the heart and the liver. That concept, growing up and studying it. So it's like, oh, it's just this organ in your body. It's this piece of flesh that filters out in Chinese medicine. Don't quote me on this, but, like, your qi is stored in the kidneys at night, so it's around you, then it comes into your body, and it's stored there in the gut or in the kidneys. That's what your kidneys are for. It's to store energy. It's not like just this thing that filters your.

[Josh]

It's like.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

It's like these real. And if you think about these components that were made out of way more complicated than these cameras or technology. Like, so.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Larry]

So when you hear from that perspective. But no, I was having anxiety panic attacks on, like, a daily basis.

[Andrew]

Wow.

[Larry]

Rough.

[Andrew]

Was there, like, a holistic or dietary thing that you would say, like, really kind of flip the script for you, or is it like a whole myriad of things we need a whole podcast to discuss?

[Larry]

Well, I think just in summary, in short, it was more of a. Letting the stress of the world get to you and not. And like, for me, music. I used to play piano every day until we sold our house and we're living in a camper, so I didn't have a piano to play with, but I. That was my stress relief. So finding what. Whatever your desire is, go to that regardless of your financial situation or any other or whatever the world's telling you do, you got to go do what calms and soothes you. And if you avoid that, that anxiety will build up. But it wasn't necessarily per se, any herbs or anything I discovered. It's more of using my natural intuition to go to my stress relief, whether that's playing golf, if it's music, if it's writing songs or playing doing your thing. But alcohol was definitely didn't assist in that process. And it wasn't that I wasn't I wouldn't consider myself a heavy drinker, but I noticed, man, I had a beer at lunch probably every day for the last three years. Didn't think anything of it. And your brain uses alcohol to. To deal with stress. When you pull away that alcohol, your body doesn't know how to deal with the stress. And that's when these anxiety attacks come on. But it was very comforting when I found other people that had this stress. Man, when you're in the midst of an anxiety or panic attack, there's nothing worse than that.

[Justin]

Yeah. They said it's literally your brain is telling you that, like, it's the same thing as like a bear chasing you. Like, there's not a bear chasing you, but your brain's like, you're about.

[Andrew]

You're.

[Josh]

You're being chased right now.

[Andrew]

It sounds like you need to go get chased by a bear.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Handle.

[Josh]

Because it's not that bad.

[Justin]

Break the cycle.

[Josh]

It's better than you think.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Guys, this is so bad.

[Larry]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Dude, I saw. Dude, I saw a clip of an archer bear hunting grizzly. Seven steps. He's at full draw and he's waiting for the bear to come around a bush at seven steps. And he's like, he's like, my broadhead's good, my bow's good. He's like, I can make this shot. And so it's facing him. It's not walking by, it's coming up to the bush. He just needs it to move. And so, you know, the arrow rest is underneath the site. So he's drawn on this thing and he's gonna shoot next to the throat, the jugular. So he's gonna shoot down the chest cavity from like right here. He's literally like, good. Pops the arrow and is just like, I smoked it seven steps away. And he's waiting and it kind of backs up and he's waiting to see if the thing like falls over. Nothing happens. And he's just like, you're gonna die. Like, I know exactly where I put that. And his buddy filming behind him goes, you missed. And then they, they show them. And so. And then the bear kind of sits up a bit, racks another arrow. And now he's like. He said because he had a, he had a lapel mic. They're filming it. And he's like, you can actually hear. He's like. His heart was calm, but as soon as he goes, you missed you. And so now he's shaking. Shoots another one in front of the bear at seven steps away. And so they go back and they watch the footage. The third guy has a gun and you. And then we're not chancing it anymore. The bear is, I mean full grizzly, like trophy bear. But what had happened is because his sights here and his rest is here, his sight picture was perfect. He thinks he's shooting over the bush and he just drills a limb at seven.

[Justin]

Oh my gosh.

[Andrew]

But like at full confidence. But so I think you need to go and I need, I think you need to put yourself in that scenario. I don't think so. And then when you.

[Josh]

And when you live, what's the worst that can happen?

[Larry]

You know that atheist hunting joke, bear hunting joke? I've never heard that. So the atheist is hunting and you know, doesn't believe in God or anything like that. Anyways, he's hunting and he's hunting deer and he's sees this, what, 15 point deer in his sights and he's just staring at it. He's like, this is my chance. And right as about right as he racks, he just hears this big growl behind him and he turns around and just sees this freaking 12 foot grizzly bear standing on top of him and he drops his gun, says, oh my God, my God, I'm so sorry. I know I never believed in you, but please just show me a sign right now if you exist. Show me a sign. The bear drops on his knees and says, dear heavenly Father, I thank you for this meal.

[Andrew]

That's great, that's great, that's funny, that's great.

[Justin]

But yeah. Dude, the body's weird. The body's whack, dude.

[Andrew]

Turmeric is a root which is anti inflammatory. And with, with Paige and some of the stuff post, you know, childbirth, they were like, you should get on some turmeric. And so I started mixing it in eggs. So like I make an omelette every morning for her and I pepper activates it and literally what I notice is typically I just scramble. Right.

[Justin]

Pepper activates the turmeric.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they work in harmony.

[Justin]

Like, like black pepper.

[Larry]

Yep.

[Andrew]

Oh, but, but like normally I'd like season, I just do the eggs up. I put a ton of crap in mine that she doesn't want on her. So I just make them and then throw some seasonings on. Well, I started mixing it to like better incorporate it. Literally you can do this just like less than a, like a half a teaspoon of turmeric and like three eggs. And as you're mixing it turns to like, instead of like thick, like hard to spin eggs, it turns to liquid. Like the Turmeric itself breaks down. Whatever. And I was like. I mean, it's literally in, like, 15 seconds. You're like, holy crap. But this is how it, like, reduces inflammation. It's crazy how quick that works. And the fact that our modern medicine world refuses to just be like, yeah, like a half a teaspoon of turmeric and you don't need your ibuprofen. Yeah, yeah, this could work.

[Josh]

Andrew's like a witch in the kitchen with her cauldron.

[Andy]

Turmeric.

[Justin]

Speaking of turmeric, let's talk about flat Earth.

[Andrew]

Okay. Let's go there.

[Josh]

Let's dive in. We all know it's real, Larry.

[Justin]

There's a time I've discussed on this podcast many, many of times, but there's a time in my life about, I would say 10 years ago, two weeks straight, I believed in flat Earth. Ruined my life.

[Andrew]

I'm like, this is the worst. No.

[Justin]

Everyone's being lied to. The reality is not real.

[Josh]

Shout it from the mountaintops.

[Justin]

And then the story goes where I was literally obsessed with it, like, questioning everything. And I'm like, well, they talk about the ice wall, right? That encompasses this flat Earth. But, like, there's times in Antarctica where The sun's up 24 7. I'm like, how would that make sense with this whole spiraling thing? Like, even if it was on the outer ring, how could the sun stay up 247 if it would be on, technically, the other side of this plane? And I emailed one of these flat Earth dudes, and they're like, it's easy. There's two suns. I'm like, okay, I don't believe in flat Earth anymore. But Andy was telling me a little bit about your stuff, and, like, is. It does seem like there's something weird about Earth. Like, something that we don't know or understand.

[Josh]

There's stuff we just don't trust.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah, because it's. We're taking it all from what we're told, right?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, I think it's round, but I don't know. I don't think it's a sphere, but

[Justin]

there's something to say, something weird about it.

[Andrew]

And then there's little sound bites that drop. Like the one that Mr. Beast just did where he's talking about seeing the ice wall when he was over there, and then he, like, hushes the dude on the stream. Yeah, that was weird. It was super weird. Which, I mean, like, he's a. He's a marketing genius, so he knows that I'm going to Talk about him right now, because he did that.

[Justin]

I think he has AI in his brain. Trip.

[Andrew]

All that to say there's a bunch of weird stuff around it.

[Justin]

So I'd love to hear your take on planet Earth.

[Larry]

Well, I. Leaning towards Earth is flat. I'll just come out say it that way. I can't say for sure it is or it isn't. I always assumed it was a sphere, and I can tell you all sorts of mathematical numbers that I memorize over the years. Textbook. But none of this stuff I could prove. But there's just so many, so many strong arguments for flat Earth, of course. But what bothers me most is when I watch these people comment back and forth, arguing about whether it's flat or round. And if you take it from the. Well, actually, both sides of the argument sometimes are very pitiful. But when you see some people just reiterating what they are, just repeating what they saw from textbooks, I'm like, man, some of your arguments don't hold any water. And some from the other side where you see people that. I'm like, man, you should not be the flat Earth representative, please. But I just see, I wouldn't be surprised that if we were to find out for sure that the Earth is flat, quote, unquote flat, that doesn't mean it's perfectly flat. It could just have a little conc. A little bit of concave to it.

[Josh]

What are like some of the things that really stick out to you? Like, okay, like this is obvious. Like, there's some. There's more to question.

[Larry]

There's many things, Many questions.

[Andrew]

I would love to see you try to convince him it is flat.

[Justin]

I can't go down there.

[Larry]

I can't. I can't convince you. But I can give you a lot of things to think about. But I would say that it's very possible. I don't think we're like surrounded necessarily by this ice wall. And I've seen the Antarctica ice wall or whatever. I mean, from a perspective, obviously you're just with a camera and you can only see 100 miles. There's a wall there. That doesn't mean that it's this whole entire. Yeah, but it's very possible that if you just use a compass, for example, I'll just start reeling off things. There's so many things. Compass only points north, which is not necessarily strange. But what does that mean? That the North Pole is the center of our plane or whatever we're on, which is pretty interesting. So if you walk in one direction, you can Just walk in a circle, essentially. But how often do people ever go to the North Pole, per se? I've never, like you mentioned going to Montana or we're going on trips. I'm thinking kind of like a fishbowl here where we. We're not necessarily sure of our surroundings. I've seen some interesting maps where you have our Earth that we see in the map, but then it's just one small portion of this huge other. Yeah, like Shangri La. I remember that there was like an Asian restaurant called that or something. But it's some story of this different realm or different world. But it's very possible that we're confined just to this smaller area, and we're not. There's so much that we haven't explored or seen. So necessarily, is there an edge to the Earth? It's, you know, that's obviously the, the, the joke that, you see the globe Earthers say we'll just go to the edge. Right. But a lot of these people don't even have a passport. Never even freaking left their state in their life. You know what I mean? So it's like, how much do you really know and how much do we actually go venture. Do we get on ships and go sailing? A lot of these people were. They're like, you know, Navy captains headed their military. They're the ones that were going exploring.

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Larry]

And I don't really know how far they got, frankly. But as far as some arguments, you know, it's just a lot of the stuff, they have to show it to you and throw it in your face. What is it the, Is it Naito? What's. The one that has a flat earth model as their.

[Justin]

Yeah, I think it's NATO.

[Larry]

Yeah, yeah. That's their symbol, which I just find strange. There's a lot of Bible verses that they say it's metaphorical, but you can look at it as quite literal, too. Where they say, like, the corners of the earth or the Earth is in its foundations, it doesn't move. In the Bible, I don't remember what verse it is. They said that the sun stopped. And Joshua didn't say the earth stopped spinning, it said the sun stopped. You know, and if that's the inspired word of God and if it was incorrect, you would think, you know, there's so some biblical perspectives where it's like, you know, the arguments are okay. Just from his perspective, he would have said the sun stopped, but today he would have. He wouldn't have said that. Right. But I, I don't know.

[Justin]

Well, we talked. We talked about a couple podcasts ago that there's accounts, they're, like, all over the world, that would line up with Joshua's story of the sun stopping. And, like, in China and in South America, like, it was the same kind of scenario to where it's like something happened in the sky that the sun was off.

[Andrew]

So that was.

[Justin]

That was pretty cool.

[Larry]

Yeah. And it's interesting, too. Like, when you. You see these. These maps or these posters or these memes or whatever they call them, and it shows the sun is round, Mercury's round, Venus is round. Then they show a flat Earth, and then Mars, they're like, why would all these other planets be round but Earth be flat? That's. Again, there's no. That's not really an argument, of course. And it's. We're not saying that the Earth happens to be a disk that's going around the sun. It's a totally different concept. If you believe the Earth is flat, it totally changes the entire perspective, which, actually, we mentioned this the other night as the whole idea of the sun being the center of our solar system and all the planets going around it is the heliocentric model. Helios would have been a watcher or a fallen God, one of all these. So Helios, it's like, what. I really want to trust the heliocentric model, you know, but we talk.

[Josh]

Yeah. The word, the Greek mythology, obsession within NASA and, like, astrology is really strange. Like, it's weird that, like, that's what we landed on.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, to base all of our terminology around.

[Justin]

Yeah. The planet names and all that stuff.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Josh]

It's just like, it's such a huge focus and priority. It is very strange.

[Larry]

So my two biggest arguments, I would just say, or not biggest, but I didn't really put much thought into this. But go try exploring and see how far you get. You know what I mean?

[Justin]

I went pretty far in it. Freaked me out.

[Larry]

Physically exploring.

[Justin]

Oh, I see. I see.

[Larry]

And it's kind of like the Truman show, but when you get close, the guy, like, kicks on the water and starts making the.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Making it rough.

[Justin]

I will say the. One of the weirdest things in a great argument or just like. Just a weird thing is the exclusive. How exclusive? Antarctica is like, you can't just go to Antarctica. You have to have permission to go

[Josh]

to Antarctica, but yet every continent has an agreement to share it, like the

[Justin]

one place on Earth.

[Larry]

So how do you. How do you get to Antarctica? Just go in the opposite direction of your compass, facing North. That's how you would get there.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Which is kind of strange. One thing I, I can't figure out though is, you know, if you, if you look at some pictures from space, supposed space or whatever.

[Josh]

Sure.

[Larry]

And you look at buildings or if you have any engineering background ever built anything, if you really think that we're frickin spinning a thousand miles an hour and moving, it's just really hard to. I know. On the large scale.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Larry]

You know that you wouldn't feel it. But there's some things that I don't. I can't. One argument's like a helicopter, okay. The Earth is spinning at a thousand miles an hour, which is, they say the circumference of the Earth is about 24,000 miles at its equator. And if we have 24 hours in a day, then that means you put a post at the equator, it's going 1,000 miles an hour and it'll come back to the same spot roughly 24,000 miles in a day. Well, I would think if it's really a spinning earth and you're flying in an airplane which only goes 600 miles an hour, we go in the opposite direction of the rotation, we ought to be able to get places a lot faster. And if we're going in the same direction of the rotation, I don't think you'd ever get there.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And the argument is there's an atmospheric pressure. Right. Where all that, anything within the Earth's atmosphere is rotating at the same speed the surface is. That's what they say, right?

[Larry]

That's what they say.

[Josh]

That's that, that.

[Andrew]

I don't.

[Josh]

That blows my mind.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, like real or not. That's crazy.

[Andrew]

I wonder, could you look at it though, like, like my. I throw a Frisbee for my dog every day and she puts way too much saliva on that thing. It's a nasty chore. But when I throw the frisbee, the saliva and the dirt stay stuck to it, which makes no sense, but I feel like there's got to be some sort of centrifugal science that would like hold it there, just making a counter argument. It has to be like the same sort of thing. Like the spit itself is like staying stuck. Like almost like they say, like gravity and rotation like pulls things in. Like could it not be the same thing? Like the spin is actually what's pulling down to a central point holding it all. The atmosphere, the helicopter, the plane, whatever in its original place.

[Justin]

So 0 out of 10, how on board are you with flat earth I

[Larry]

have to just say 10.

[Andrew]

Dang.

[Larry]

I mean, at this point, you know, I've never definitively answered, but if I had. If I was gonna die today and I had to choose one, it's either one or ten.

[Josh]

That's Justin.

[Larry]

I'm leaning more towards ten.

[Justin]

All right, Larry?

[Josh]

Yeah. I mean, why not?

[Andy]

It's such. We've.

[Josh]

We know the government lies, and so it's like we gotta question everything.

[Andrew]

I want to know, no matter how insane it's. I actually want to know what our audience thinks. Like, like, give us that number. I want to know where you land. Give us the number and why you landed on that number in the comments. I want to know, are there a

[Justin]

lot of closeted flat Earthers out there?

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh]

Like, that's why we have the scale, because, like, you could be at six. You're like, yeah, I could see like. Or if you're at zero, then you're 100% believe that it's a sphere.

[Justin]

You know, I'm at like a. I'm at like a one, not a zero. But I, I feel like there's something because you.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Something understanding of Earth that we don't understand or they don't. They're not telling us.

[Josh]

We got to assume they're keeping some secrets.

[Andrew]

1.001 as you. 1.001.

[Josh]

I'm at 11 right now.

[Justin]

I was at an 11 back in the day. But do you understand my argument of just like, even that plane, like, because do you. So you believe that the sun is smaller in circumference. Right. And it's kind of doing that. That spiral thing.

[Larry]

Yeah, I would say looking at that model, that makes sense.

[Justin]

And then my argument was like. So even like Antarctica, it would just be like further off on this plane. That sun still has to do that, that, that kind of corkscrew kind of thing. But in Antarctica. I've never been in Antarctica. But you see videos or even in, like, Canada and stuff. Yeah, this. Well, that would make sense for, like, Canada because it would be like that. But like in Antarctica, the Sun is up 247 for some points of the year. That doesn't make sense because of its big loop. That has to do. Does that make sense?

[Larry]

No, it makes perfect sense.

[Justin]

I don't know.

[Josh]

It's very strange.

[Larry]

It also makes perfect sense too, is just hover in a helicopter. Well, let's watch the freaking ground spin underneath. That makes perfect sense too. Then you have to come up with some fancy scientific explanation as to why that's not in Fact, the case where if you just use your eyes, it's kind of like what makes more sense also, too, being with people that excelled in math and physics and sciences. Nobody has an explanation for a lot of these things that are extremely important parts of these arguments, like gravity. They don't know what gravity is. They don't understand what gravity is.

[Justin]

True.

[Larry]

Kind of out there.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Larry]

And my son, he loves. He's two years old, Angelo, he loves to get balloons and let him go. Just let him fly up. Right. So you just. I think there's buoyancy is more of the. The way our Earth works rather than this theory of gravity. And again, if you have. You can explain what gravity is, which a lot of these professors don't know what it is. You know, I don't know how they use that to their advantage. You know, they say, oh, it's gravity, gravity this, gravity that, but they don't even understand what it is.

[Andrew]

I'm gonna go let a balloon go when we get out of here. And it's just gonna go,

[Larry]

oh, my point is, you can just take a balloon and let it go. The thing just. Just keeps going. It's a matter of buoyancy. Just because this happens to be lighter than the air around it, but it holds all of us in place. And it'll keep this helicopter fixed right above it. But that a balloon can go, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

Here's another question then with this stuff that.

[Brent]

Why.

[Justin]

What's the point of the ongoing lie then? Like with, like, why is NASA and really the whole world, all these scientists, going with this lie of what's the incentive? Or just. Yeah, just why?

[Larry]

Okay, yeah, that's. That's the question. If the Earth is flat, the argument used to always be like, Again, when I go back to elementary school and they asked us, do you believe in aliens? And this morning I was like, no, there's no such thing as aliens. If the Earth is flat or if the Earth is. Let's say the Earth is a sphere, then it opens the door to the. The chance that we were not created and that we evolved by cosmic chance.

[Justin]

Okay?

[Larry]

Where if the Earth is flat and the sun goes around the Earth and not the Earth around the sun, then we are the center of the universe and it creates purpose to us being here, and it opens the door to creation, okay? Rather than if the Earth is round and we're part of this galaxy and we're just this one little point in the universe, then there's really no consequence to life. And if we evolve, then why not just do whatever makes you feel good. And then maybe that's justification for the people that are working side by side with watchers to say, oh, there's no consequence to what I'm doing. I'm the God of my own universe. I want to control all this. I want to have all this money. So that is. That would be one reason to keep the lie going where if we knew that we were created, maybe people would just be a little more firm in their position, in their faith and not be lukewarm against all the stuff that's happening in this world with what these people are getting away with.

[Andrew]

You don't think the position, the perfection of our position in the universe going with, like, a sphere would be enough of an argument for purpose?

[Larry]

That's a great, great argument.

[Andrew]

That's how I. How I. How I see it. Like.

[Justin]

Like the one.

[Andrew]

It's the one angle of our tilt, the, like, in the expanse of.

[Josh]

What is that theory called? There's a theory that, like, that's the.

[Andrew]

I just know that, like, mathematically, like, it's gotta be here in what's incredibly precise. Yeah, yeah. Which for me, to the argument you're making for flat Earth. I think it makes the same argument for, like, it might not be the literal center, but it's in such a perfect position that it implies purpose and intent.

[Larry]

Well, now that you put it that way, I'm more like a one right now.

[Justin]

My fate. One of my favorite arguments for the flat Earth theory. Yeah. Is how they explain how fast the Earth is moving, how fast our entire solar system is moving through space. All space is just moving crazy fast. Yeah, but yet we can predate, let's just say 10,000 years ago. The constellations and stuff are exactly the same. So it's like if we're shooting through space at, like, 13,000 miles an hour, whatever it is, and the Earth is spinning a thousand miles an hour, how is it that everything is still precisely where it is? And then it'd be like, okay, maybe all those things are moving the exact same speed as well.

[Andrew]

Counteracting, like, distance comes into play, though, too. Yeah.

[Justin]

We're talking about 10,000 years ago, moving at 13,000 miles an hour. Not. That's just, like, one of the equations.

[Andrew]

I wonder if it's like. Like you think about, like, a road trip where you're, like, on the planes moving toward a mountain and you're doing, like, whatever, 80 miles an hour and the mountain never moves. If that distance is comparable to, like, deep space compared to where we are

[Justin]

like if you're 100 light years away.

[Andrew]

Yes, that's like it would like because it looks like the mountain and you aren't moving.

[Justin]

Yeah, which I mean, I say they haven't moved. They've moved slightly.

[Larry]

We talked about NASA and stuff like this dude, all that stuff is for me, for my lens that I live through. Like when. Back to that question. That's just a tax scam, man. That's just to collect billion. I think they collect $28 million a day. Or is it $28 billion a day goes towards NASA.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with him on this one.

[Larry]

So, so. And then these scientists also, I think, like me, I could easily become one of these scientists, but I think there's like this world of these scientists that are actually working, doing their thing. They don't know what's behind the curtain. And when they get too close and they start looking into it too much or they're too smart, they start figuring it out and they start disappearing sort of thing. But I think there's two, I wouldn't say two NASA's, but there's the field of the innocent five year old kid that wants to grow up to be an astronaut and he's just working in this fake freaking office. It's the Truman Show. He's just showing up to work and he doesn't realize that everybody around him is fake. But he's doing his research, trying to like, what were you talking about the other day with cern? Like saying, oh, did you figure out the God particle today? No, that was hilarious. And they're just kind of there. But the ones that are excelling or figuring this stuff out, I feel like when they start getting too close and figuring out the answers and they're replaced or something.

[Justin]

Well, it is kind of interesting, the correlation with that theory and also the theory of freemasonry and the 33 degree is when you're really introduced to the darkness of what freemasonry is.

[Josh]

Invitation only.

[Justin]

The other degrees below that are just this kind of innocent boys club where you do some weird ritualistic stuff every now and then. Yeah, but it's like also how prevalent Freemasonry is within NASA. And that would be kind of like a similar.

[Josh]

You look at the government, you have, you know, all this dark stuff that's happening. But then at the front it's like, hey, we built a community garden for our city. You know, we're doing good things, we're passing good bills, but it's like always underneath there's layers and Layers.

[Larry]

Yeah, but that's an important question. Why would they lie to us? When we say they, who are we talking about? But come on, there'd be a million reasons that they lied to us. It's very hard to break this down in a setting. It would take a lot of time really to actually, if we sat around here, we'd have to. It could be hours, months, days, weeks, who knows, years. Breaking it all down. But if you think about reality in general, it's just strange how everything is constructed and it's bring up like DMT for instance. I've never taken it. Right, but it's like the red pill in the Matrix. They take it and then all of a sudden they're stripped from this reality that we lived in is just completely stripped down. Your ego's gone and you start seeing the building blocks and how everything's created. But if you look at just the world we live in, how everything's created, it's very strange. We could have created anything. We, if we erased everything and all we had was just dirt, water, and what is it? What are the. Fire, wind, air, that's all you had. You could construct anything. But this is the world we live in. We live in this world that's constructed exactly this way. And again, I think if people realize that there is a. I think that they say got the biggest trick that the devil plays on you is getting to believe that he doesn't exist has a lot to do with that. When you start realizing truths and, and seeing things and you start questioning and they don't want. Governments don't want you questioning things. They don't want you. They want you thinking, period.

[Josh]

Yeah, because if the devil exists, then God exists.

[Larry]

Exactly. So on.

[Andrew]

I just figured it out.

[Justin]

Nice.

[Andrew]

I'm going to answer all the questions right now. The reason we talk about NASA and all these people and fallen angels trying to get back to the way things were. Right. When did God flood? When they began to rise to power. So doesn't it make sense that they're trying to return to that? I believe Tolkien read secret works in that underground library that he wasn't supposed to see when he was a kid. In his writings, Arda Earth was originally a flat disc. However, at the end of the Second age, the Creator cataclysmically transformed it into a sphere to prevent mortal men from invading the undying lands of Valinor. So in Tolkien's world, the earth was flat. And then in a cataclysmic flood like event, literally one of the lands is flooded and he made it a sphere to entrap them to this place. Because you tried to get to where I am.

[Josh]

Oh, interesting.

[Andrew]

Which means all of the fallen angel stuff, NASA, all this stuff, that means all the thoughts about why do these maps exist? Why do these legends exist? Because maybe in the creation of what was perfect, there was harmony and unity, and division had to be created and sectioned off.

[Justin]

I mean, it does talk about the fallen angels being chained within the earth,

[Larry]

you know, in the crevices and the deep spot, which makes you start thinking, too. And that's amazing. What was called revelation or insight or epiphany, rather like, who the heck is gonna go make a submarine and go down there into the Mariana Trench? Those people are going down there to go communicate with these beings.

[Andrew]

Where did NASA start? The water. They started going down first.

[Larry]

Come on. Me and like I said, me and you are not gonna be like, you know what we're gonna do for the rest of our lives? We're freaking make an amazing submarine marine, and we're gonna go dive way down there. No, they're. They're going down there because they know what's down there, and they're. They're getting information, doing whatever they're doing. But the flood covered up a lot of these low spots. This. It says that they cast them into the pits. Yeah, these pits are. They're out there, but. All right, so here's another thing. If the Earth is flat around, where are these pits that they're talking about? I've never come across one, which means I haven't really explored enough to really have a solid enough answer to say, you know, am I a 10 or am I a 1?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You know, going back to the first thing you said, you said all these elites are mining.

[Larry]

Yeah, they are.

[Andrew]

They knew this surrounding kingdom folded in.

[Justin]

Yeah. Guys, we have. Well, guys, you're here first. And then there's the butterflies. We answered everything. You're welcome.

[Josh]

Dang. This is our last podcast.

[Justin]

Everything was backed up by science and facts.

[Andrew]

Yep.

[Justin]

Nothing was opinionated.

[Josh]

Nope.

[Andrew]

Nothing was googled during the show.

[Josh]

We have a doctor here, for goodness sake.

[Larry]

Some other things do. Yeah. Like the fact that the sun and the moon prospectively are. Happen to be the exact same size from our perspective, but the moon is 286,000 miles away, and the sun is 93 million miles away. But they happen to be exact in size. And we, you know, that's. That's. That's just more.

[Andrew]

More proof of creation.

[Justin]

An amazing coincidence.

[Josh]

Yeah. Well, you were talking about Earlier.

[Larry]

Coincidence. The word coincidence.

[Josh]

Yeah, the. It's the fine tuning theory is what it's called. Or the Goldilocks theory. Yeah, just right.

[Larry]

Yeah. And they call it tidal lock too. Why we don't see the dark side of the moon. It's called tidal lock. Yeah, that's what they explain. But come on, if you got this spinning that, spinning that. You want me to believe that we're using tidal lock to pull. Exactly.

[Andy]

I'm stuck.

[Justin]

I want to spin.

[Brent]

But I can.

[Justin]

Dad, please, can I spin?

[Larry]

And you notice him? Dark side of the Moon. Pink Floyd album. He said there is no dark side of the moon. As a matter of fact, it's all

[Justin]

dark, you know, gospel. Those dudes are on that DMT stuff.

[Larry]

Yeah, they were on some stuff.

[Josh]

You seen like Joe Rogan talk about how it lines up perfectly with Wizards of Oz.

[Larry]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like if you turn off the audio, apparently it's like, it's uncanny.

[Justin]

Yeah, get on.

[Josh]

It's like they specifically made it for that movie, the wizard of Oz.

[Justin]

If you start wizard of Oz at like a certain, like the second.

[Josh]

The second roar of the MGM lion,

[Justin]

you start the Pink Floyd album. What was it?

[Josh]

Dark side of the Moon.

[Justin]

Dark side of the Moon. It matches up, like score wise, the whole thing.

[Andrew]

You ready for like a homeschooled confession? Never listen to Pink Floyd.

[Larry]

Okay.

[Andy]

That's okay.

[Justin]

I didn't. Lily's. Honestly, Lily's dad loves Pink Floyd. And that's like really the first time I listened to Pink Floyd.

[Andrew]

Gotcha. Yeah.

[Larry]

You guys familiar with what the wizard of Oz is really about?

[Josh]

I don't know.

[Larry]

Nothing. So the yellow brick road is gold and the Emerald City is green printed paper. It was all about this, this artistic stance against the Federal Reserve is what.

[Andrew]

Oh, I have heard.

[Larry]

This is what the wizard of Oz is about, believe it or not.

[Justin]

And like the, like whatever they're standing up to is like the courage, the.

[Andrew]

The heart.

[Justin]

I don't know.

[Josh]

Having heart, having courage.

[Larry]

And then you got.

[Josh]

Wanting to go home.

[Larry]

Yeah. Witches and you got monkey officers and. But it's. It's bigger than that. It's just this movie we saw as kids, but there's this really deep meaning behind it.

[Justin]

Federal Reserve. Well, you'll have to bring you back. And let's talk about the Federal Reserve.

[Larry]

Yeah, we got to talk about dinosaurs too. And evolution and age of the Earth. That's way more.

[Justin]

Let's talk a little bit about that on Patreon. Yeah, let's do it.

[Josh]

Extra episode. Dolphins are aliens. You can go Right now Download the app patreon.com forward slash. Ninjas are butterflies. You get early access to episodes. You get an extra episode, discounts on

[Andy]

merch, all that stuff.

[Justin]

Other things and other things. Discord. If you guys want some ninja Swag, go to sundaycoolswag.com and get your ninja merch there.

[Josh]

Are we dropping that new shirt yet?

[Justin]

Can we show it might be out? Yeah, if we show. If it's not out, it's about to be out.

[Josh]

It's dope, right? You like it?

[Justin]

Tank top.

[Andy]

Ooh.

[Justin]

And crop top for the ladies or

[Josh]

for the men who are confident.

[Justin]

Yeah, those. Like those bodybuilder 80s dudes.

[Josh]

I'm gonna take the. We will be taking photos of me in the crop top.

[Andrew]

You should fringe it.

[Josh]

Oh, I will for sure.

[Justin]

Larry, thank you so much for coming.

[Larry]

Yes, thank you for having me.

[Josh]

We got millions of people listening. What is working? They. I know you're not really social media guy a ton, right?

[Andrew]

No, no.

[Josh]

We can send them to go leave reviews for your company or. What do you got going on? Is there anything you want people to like to find out more about you? Where they can go or support you

[Larry]

somehow maybe coming here? Yeah, that's where they find out more about me.

[Justin]

And if you look at the moon, you'll be looking at the same moon as Larry.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Justin]

The same fake moon or the same. Yeah. Or different moon.

[Josh]

Because there's two.

[Justin]

Actually, there's two.

[Josh]

Do you want to plug your Airbnb?

[Larry]

Yeah, sure.

[Josh]

If you're ever in central Florida area. Groveland area. Where can they find it on the Airbnb? What is it called?

[Larry]

Lovely Meadow Farm Cottage.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Larry]

And Tiny Cracker Cottage. It's in Groveland. It's not very many listings in Groveland.

[Justin]

Maybe that was my nickname in high school. Yeah, yeah.

[Larry]

We have nice property. And come out. Cows, ducks, chickens, little, little dinosaurs.

[Josh]

See the fireflies?

[Larry]

Fireflies. Yeah, we have fireflies.

[Brent]

No way.

[Josh]

Literally every time we go out there. It's crazy.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Larry]

Fireflies, owls, Fireflies.

[Andrew]

What the heck?

[Josh]

Yeah. Yeah. I saw some in Kansas, but I hardly ever see him down here.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Justin]

All right, guys, we love you. We'll see you on Patreon.

[Josh]

We love you.

[Andy]

Just love.

[Andrew]

Bye bye. Bye, bye bye. Dolphin. What you're about to see.

[Brent]

Wow.

[Andrew]

May disturb you nominals if any of you know what these multi decade UAP.

[Justin]

Bottle knives.

[Andy]

Fish, pigs. There's a massive police response.

[Josh]

Oh, the dolphin thing.

[Andy]

Dolphin style attack.