1731 - "Cyber Timebombs"

Summary

No Agenda: Episode 1731 - "Cyber Timebombs" Released January 19, 2025

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Podcast Focus: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda

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1. Introduction and Current Events Overview

The episode kicks off with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak exchanging light banter about the affordability and modernization in China, referencing the allure of cheap products and advanced infrastructure like maglev trains. This sets the stage for a deeper exploration into significant global and national issues.

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2. Trump Inauguration: Weather Concerns and Security Implications

Discussion Points:

• Weather Forecast: Extremely cold temperatures forecasted for Washington, D.C., with news reports indicating a potential shift of President-elect Trump's inauguration indoors due to harsh weather conditions.

  Quote:
  News Anchor [03:06]: "Low life threatening temperatures sweeping across the country... the forecast calling for potentially the coldest inauguration day in 40 years."

• Security Reasons: While the official reason cited is the frigid weather, hosts speculate about underlying security threats influencing the decision to move the inauguration indoors.

  Quotes:
  Adam Curry [04:35]: "I got a note this morning from Catherine... She's a bitcoin billionaire, but..."
  John C. Dvorak [05:27]: "It's a security risk that they don't want our presidents to be subject to the inauguration."

• Presence of Foreign Leaders: Unexpected guests, including leaders from controversial groups like Germany's AfD, raise eyebrows and add layers to the event's complexity.

  Quote:
  John C. Dvorak [12:10]: "There are two leaders of a German far right anti-immigrant group known as the AfD attending... They have been condemned by their own government."

• Potential Threats and Propaganda: The hosts discuss possible threats, including cyber time bombs planted by foreign adversaries and the role of media in shaping public perception.

  Quotes:
  Adam Curry [10:32]: "They borrowed John, way too Low is another guy."
  John C. Dvorak [11:27]: "Because we're no good... It's very, very scary."

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3. TikTok Ban and Supreme Court Rulings

Discussion Points:

• Supreme Court Hearing: Detailed analysis of the Supreme Court's unanimous decision to prioritize national security over free speech concerns regarding TikTok.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [56:07]: "So it's ingested every news source in the world... It's just machine learning, it's no super AI."
  News Anchor [10:06]: "The President Elect Trump spoke with China's President Xi Jinping... They are going to siphon up American phone call data."

• Algorithm as Free Speech: The TikTok lawyer's argument that their content recommendation algorithm constitutes free speech was deemed insufficient by the justices, highlighting a misinterpretation of technological nuances.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [57:43]: "That's machine learning, it's no super AI... It's a byproduct of what the algo is actually intent for, which is this social shopping."
  Adam Curry [59:24]: "This is non-technical, people."

• Implications of the Ban: The hosts delve into the economic and social repercussions of banning TikTok, emphasizing its role in facilitating social commerce and community building.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [63:10]: "It's very curious why you just single out TikTok alone and not other companies... So, and he has a very good point..."
  Adam Curry [64:17]: "We need to eliminate the algorithm altogether."

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4. California Wildfires: Media Narrative vs. On-the-Ground Communications

Discussion Points:

• Media Reports: News Anchor presents the narrative that water supplies were insufficient to combat the devastating wildfires in California, attributing the crisis to operational failures.

  Quote:
  News Anchor [03:07]: "President elect Trump's pick to oversee America's economy... senator about Trump's plan to boost the economy with tax cuts."

• Contrasting Evidence: The hosts critique media reports by referencing downloaded communications from first responders, revealing ongoing water supply issues exacerbated by extreme winds and logistical challenges rather than mismanagement.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [56:07]: "We've got a major streak going from at least 60 miles with all these different colors."
  Adam Curry [82:50]: "It's so embarrassing. They keep calling it 'running out of water,' but it's actually a combination of weather and infrastructure issues."

• Climate Change Discussions: The conversation shifts to the role of climate change in intensifying wildfire conditions and the media's focus on attributing the disasters solely to policy failures.

  Quote:
  News Anchor [55:22]: "Climate change is making disasters like the wind-driven LA fires fiercer. This is not an anomaly. This is the future."

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5. NATO and Defense Spending: European Dynamics and U.S. Leadership

Discussion Points:

• Defense Contributions: The hosts examine the ongoing debate within NATO regarding defense spending, criticizing European nations for not meeting the 2% GDP target and highlighting the complexities of creating a balanced defense system.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [27:23]: "If Germany leaves NATO, what’s left? That’s where the mun—"
  Adam Curry [72:10]: "Every country if you’re going to have a country in a regular military, you’re at 4%."

• European Dependency and Autonomy: The conversation touches on Europe's reliance on the U.S. for defense and the unrealistic expectations of independently matching U.S. defense capabilities.

  Quote:
  John C. Dvorak [63:35]: "You can’t build your own nuclear capability... If you want a European NATO over the next 10 or 50 years, you have to quadruple or more your defense spending."

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6. Climate Change and Media Representation

Discussion Points:

• Media’s Role: The hosts criticize the media's portrayal of climate change, suggesting that mainstream outlets like NPR and CNN perpetuate narratives that oversimplify and sensationalize environmental issues.

  Quotes:
  Adam Curry [92:40]: "It's the same as this typical, like the financial thing. I describe it all the time."
  John C. Dvorak [99:16]: "And yeah, you're right about Newsom. It’s horrible."

• Misleading Narratives: By juxtaposing official reports with on-the-ground communications, the hosts argue that media often distorts the reality of climate-induced disasters for sensationalism.

  Quote:
  Adam Curry [34:05]: "The Supreme Court has done a severe injustice to one of the main economic outputs of our country, which is the ability to create and use media to sell crap that nobody actually needs."

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7. Technology, Data Security, and Foreign Influence

Discussion Points:

• Data Harvesting Concerns: The episode scrutinizes how platforms like TikTok harvest vast amounts of personal data, raising alarms about potential misuse by foreign adversaries.

  Quotes:
  John C. Dvorak [45:17]: "It's a byproduct of what the algo is actually intent for, which is this social shopping."
  Adam Curry [75:22]: "Listen to what he says because he's..."

• Governmental Response: Critique of the U.S. government's approach to regulating foreign-owned tech companies, emphasizing perceived hypocrisy and ineffective strategies.

  Quote:
  John C. Dvorak [69:33]: "And he actually goes on and on about it, trying to describe it. This was a huge blunder."

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8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The hosts wrap up the episode by reiterating their skepticism towards mainstream media narratives and governmental actions regarding national security, technology, and climate change. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking and independent analysis in understanding complex global issues.

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Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry [33:37]: "I was really, I was really concerned over all the fraud that had happened among the criminal the criminal committees in the past two years."
• John C. Dvorak [63:35]: "You can’t build your own nuclear capability... If you want a European NATO over the next 10 or 50 years, you have to quadruple or more your defense spending."

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Key Takeaways:

1. Inauguration Security: While extreme weather is cited as the reason for moving Trump's inauguration indoors, underlying security threats related to foreign influence and cyber threats are heavily implied.

2. Tech Regulation and National Security: The Supreme Court's decision to ban TikTok underscores the tension between national security concerns and free speech, with the hosts arguing that the ruling is based on a misunderstanding of technological processes like algorithms.

3. Media Representation of Disasters: The hosts challenge the authenticity of media reports on California wildfires, suggesting that the real issues are misrepresented or downplayed for sensationalism.

4. NATO and Defense Spending: A critical look at European defense contributions to NATO highlights the challenges of collective security and the unrealistic expectations placed on individual nations.

5. Climate Change Narratives: The episode questions the media's approach to climate change, advocating for a more nuanced and accurate portrayal of environmental disasters and their causes.

6. Data Security and Foreign Influence: Concerns about how platforms like TikTok collect and potentially misuse user data point to broader issues of privacy, surveillance, and foreign interference in digital spaces.

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This episode of No Agenda dives deep into the interplay between media narratives, governmental actions, and global technological influences, urging listeners to question and critically assess the information presented to them.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Mocktails.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, January 19, 2025. This is your award winning giveaway Nation media assassination episode 1731. This is no agenda plowing through SCOTUS briefs and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're all discovering somehow, somehow that things are cheap in China. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, things very cheap in China. Very, very cheap in China.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen notice the, the charm offensive?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I've see, I've, I have a lot to see and to talk about. But what charm offensive are you talking to Chinese?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, things. So I got, I didn't get any clips on this, but it's become a big deal as I've seen a number of them. I just haven't collected them. Of all these usually young tiktokers who now they're not on TikTok anymore. So they went to this red book thing right out of China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Red notes.

[Adam Curry]

And they're. Yeah, well read. Yeah, whatever it is, it's Chinese and they're going on and on about, oh, you know, things are so cheap in China and they're. So I'm thinking that, oh brother, you know this. So I got a note this morning from Catherine, our unreconstructed hippie woman that lives in Thailand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, unreconstructed?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think she's still a hippie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Yeah, she's the one with the helipad, isn't she?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, she's a bitcoin billionaire, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that's the one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's. And she has the apartment if you, if you know, agenda list.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right there. Yeah, no, that's a different one.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, she goes on, she's. Oh, I didn't realize. A friend of mine just came back from Shanghai and everything's so modern there and, and it's cheap. You can. So when I first went to China in the 90s. Early 90s, yeah, it was cheap then too. It's cheap in China. Hello. And so yeah, we have a maglev train from the airport.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why is it cheap in China? Why?

[Adam Curry]

Well, because nobody gets paid a lot of money. A And, and it's controlled by the Chinese and in China everything's best price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Best price.

[Adam Curry]

So it's not new that things are cheap in China and they're very modern and the key is I don't know when that maglev train went. We don't even have them in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they have. We can't even. We can't even get one. We can't even get a regular train from LA to San Francisco.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. So they got maglevs that do 300, 400 miles an hour.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And go live there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go live there. It's great.

[Adam Curry]

Go live there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before we get into.

[Adam Curry]

Good luck with the smog, before we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get into anything, the topic of the day amongst many has got to be this weather.

[News Anchor]

We begin with this morning's top story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Top story.

[News Anchor]

Low life threatening temperatures sweeping across the country. More than 100 million people from the plains to the Northeast are under winter weather alerts. Hottest storms won't escape the deep freeze. Several cities have already declared weather emergencies as the back to back winter storms bring heavy winds and snow.

[John C. Dvorak]

25 degrees this morning in the Hill country.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's cold there. I understand it's going to snow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. There's no snow predicted. If it is, that'll be fun.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I've been to Texas once when it was snowing, remember? And nobody knows what the hell's going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember, I got that generator for a reason, to ensure that I never need it ever.

[Adam Curry]

25 degrees is a bit chilly there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And wind, wind. Oh, we got a wind. We got a wind. I want to do China and TikTok, but I have a lot to do. So let's get a couple other things.

[Adam Curry]

You can push off the. I got a lot of TikTok clips, mostly about the fact that Trump's not going to be inaugurated tomorrow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's start with the inauguration itself and then we'll get into that because I actually, I learned quite a lot by listening to the entire Supreme Court discussion, which I do as a public service, I might add.

[Adam Curry]

Public service. Where was it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's everywhere. I mean, they stream the whole conversation, audio only, no video. That's why no one cares.

[Adam Curry]

I know, I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's great. This was actually very informative in a number of ways. And so before we get into that, let's talk about the big day tomorrow. Big day. Big day. Big day. Trump Day one. Day one for the new Trump administration. What more are you learning about his first moves in this immigration crackdown?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the President came to town with a whole bunch of executive orders ready to be signed.

[News Anchor]

This will be a very busy first.

[Adam Curry]

Day for the President. Certainly border security and deportations are at the top of his list. He campaigned on those issues. Those will be among the executive orders he signs. And yes, his borders are. Tom Homan says that they are looking.

[News Anchor]

At preparing to do raids and deportations.

[Adam Curry]

Almost immediately after Trump takes office. They'll focus.

[News Anchor]

They'll focus.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's important to say.

[Adam Curry]

He says they will focus immediately on those who are in the United States illegally and have committed crimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's going to sign him in the limo.

[Adam Curry]

That was. What is that, abc? And that was Jonathan Karl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He hates Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, you know, this morning I saw J6 or Jenny at church and she had her American flag jacket, American flag pants.

[Adam Curry]

J6 Jenny, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

She hosted, Remember, she hosted the meetup here in Fredericksburg. She has.

[Adam Curry]

I love that nickname.

[John C. Dvorak]

J6 or Jenny. Yeah. Oh, yeah, she's fantastic. And J6 or Jenny, she's part of. She's part of our club, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she's all excited. She's. I'm going to be celebrating my tomorrow. She gets her pardon. She'll be celebrating pardon day. I sure hope he does it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's going to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he promised he would do it. Yeah, he had the, Remember the tiny desk? He's got the tiny desk right next to him.

[Adam Curry]

If the tiny desk shows up, that'd be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ready to go on the tiny desk. And now things have changed and we'll get into the immigration stuff a bit later on. But things have changed due to the hottest year on record.

[News Anchor]

Good evening. And we begin tonight here with the breaking news involving President elect Trump's inauguration. The carefully orchestrated plans for the inauguration now shifting tonight, shifting just three days before he takes the oath of office. Dangerously cold weather forcing the ceremony indoors. This is the first time since Ronald Reagan in 1985 the forecast calling for potentially the coldest inauguration day in 40 years. 23 degrees. The wind chill making it feel like 7 degrees for much of the day. Flags, seats and the staging area, of course, had been already set up for Monday. Ceremony crews have been working around the clock on this for months. They are now racing to prepare the Capitol Rotunda for what will be a much smaller event, but a warmer one. So what does this mean for the vast majority of ticketed guests? President Elect Trump saying, quote, tonight this will be a very beautiful experience for all and especially for the large TV audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be beautiful. It's going to be the best ever. Smallest crowd ever smallest ever in history.

[News Anchor]

Monday's forecast high for Washington is 23 degrees tonight. A rush to reimag in the day's festivities. While the massive outdoor platform could seat more than a thousand, the rotunda will only be able to hold several hundred guests tonight. The Joint Congressional Inaugural Committee, acknowledging the vast majority of ticketed guests, will not be able to attend the ceremonies in person. Among those who will be allowed in, people with tickets for the presidential platform and members of Congress. Another major change. There will no longer be an inaugural parade down Pennsylvania Avenue. Instead, after his swearing in, Trump will travel to the near Capital One arena to hold a celebration event there. This will be a very beautiful experience for all promises the President Elect. Everyone will be safe, everyone will be happy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be very beautiful. I love that he's. Of course it's going to be a great television production. Perfect. You can never really produce a great television production on the steps there. You know what I mean?

[Adam Curry]

No, it sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And you got to have that big shield up and everything, the bulletproof stuff. And everyone's shivering and now you can control the sounds. Be much better for. For our country girl. What's her name? Who's singing the national anthem.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Courtney Cox.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that one. No, what's her name? What's her name now? What's her name? American Idol winner. Yeah, yeah. What's her name?

[Adam Curry]

She's so famous that we can't remember her name.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's low T, John. That low T. It's just low T. Carrie Underwood. There we go. Thank you. Trolls. Carrie Underwood. Of course. We have some very important guests. Really stunning. Who will have.

[News Anchor]

President elect Trump revealed today that he spoke with China's President Xi Jinping on the phone today, discussing not just TikTok, but also trade and fentanyl and other topics. CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent and moderator, Face Nation. Margaret Brennan is here. And Margaret. Donald Trump invited the Communist leader to come to inauguration. But is he coming? He's not, but Xi Jinping is sending a special representative in his place, his vice president, also a high ranking Chinese Communist Party official. It's high unusual, not just because of protocol, but also because of the moment of time we are in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Moment of time.

[Adam Curry]

It's highly unusual because it's never been done before.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no, no. The. It's highly unusual because China. China has been hacking us.

[News Anchor]

Just today, the Biden administration revealed that they have identified the hackers who not just breach the US treasury, but burrowed into nine different.

[Adam Curry]

Wong is one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

They borrowed John, way too Low is another guy.

[News Anchor]

They but burrowed into nine different U.S. companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, wait, there's a reason she's saying that.

[News Anchor]

But burrowed into nine different US telecom companies to siphon up American phone call data.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So they burrowed in to siphon up.

[News Anchor]

And we know that Trump's own National Security Advisor, Mike Walsh, has said they planted cyber time bombs in US infrastructure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cyber.

[Adam Curry]

The cyber time bomb, it's ticking.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's ticking. It's tick tock ticking. Cyber time bomb. It's just waiting to go off and it'll blow up our phones.

[Adam Curry]

Cyber time bomb.

[News Anchor]

Walls has said they planted cyber time bombs in US infrastructure. This is the Chinese. The Chinese. So these could be used in the event of future conflict. And the US can't get them out.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can't get them out. We suck. It's in.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. What did she say? We can't. What do you mean she can't get them out?

[John C. Dvorak]

The cyber time bombs. We can't get them.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, there it is. It's right there. How come you can't get it out?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we're no good.

[Adam Curry]

If you know it's there, you can get it out. She's full of shit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we don't know what wire to cut, the blue one or the yellow one. It's very, very scary. China. Yes. They've burrowed in, they're siphoning it off and they planted cyber time bombs. But wait, there's more. We got Nazis.

[News Anchor]

There's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows. Right? There are, Nora. In fact, a European diploma minute said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your eyebrows raised at this minute.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my eyebrows are just going through the roof.

[News Anchor]

There's also some other foreign leaders that have been invited attending that are raising eyebrows. Right There are, Nora. In fact, a European diplomat said to me just yesterday, it's pretty disconcerting that two leaders of a German far right anti immigrant group known as the AfD are attending. Their leaders espoused Nazi propaganda slogans. They've been condemned by their own government, but they will be attending the inauguration. Brennan, thank you so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you so much. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

They're talking about that AFD woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who's any. And she's the one. And she's been on TV show.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the liberal lesbian. The libertarian lesbian.

[Adam Curry]

Libertarian conservative is what she calls herself and she says this bullcrap. They keep calling him far right and all the rest of it just to besmirch them. And it's just a propaganda trick. And these. And CBS is all in on it, I guess. Communist broadcasting system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might as well start early, get in and get in on the ground. So hopefully everything will go well tomorrow. We want everyone to be safe.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now we should discuss the rumors of why they're moving it inside. Because of the security threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because Alex Jones had a prophet on. And the.

[Adam Curry]

Besides the prophet.

[John C. Dvorak]

The prophet said he saw it was an attack, multiple cities, it was thousands of ISIS fighters. And by the way, this is the guy who predicted that Trump would be shot in the earth.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I, I know. I followed this too well. The more, the more, the more credible I think Bull crap was the Incredible Bull crap. That's actually a good show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

Incredible Bull Crap. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Credible Bull crap is the fact that and, and this. All cars that people like to tie this stuff together and goes like this. Well, you know, since they took the, the, they took the, the blocking off the DJI drone so they can now fly in a restricted area, they're going to have a couple of those big. You know, some of these DJI drones are the size of a Cadillac, six feet in diameter.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're huge.

[Adam Curry]

They're huge. And they're going to drive a couple of those babies into the podium. They're not bulletproof glass or not. They're going to take these two drones because they can now go into these areas where there's restricted fly flight restrictions. Restrictions, and they're gonna slam into the whole process and just, just by sheer brute force and maybe a bomb, blow up the whole, whole inauguration ceremony. So let's move it inside. Wow, that was the best one. I thought that was the most and that was kind of believable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, again, I know how you're gonna do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's just hope everybody stays safe. Everybody stay safe. Stay safe, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I like the Alex Jones guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it was so outrageous. I didn't even clip it. I'm like, I didn't clip it either. I really did. I was like, actually, I have a few more here because in attendance will also be many of Trump's appointees. And ABC went through some of those. Shall we play those, I guess?

[Adam Curry]

Sure.

[News Anchor]

On Capitol Hill, President elect Trump's pick to oversee America's economy. Billionaire Scott Bessen pressed by senators about the President elect's plan to boost the economy with tax cuts, tariffs, and what the nominee said today about sanctions on Russia amid the war with Ukraine. Rachel Scott on the Hill tonight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit it, Rachel.

[News Anchor]

Tonight, the man President elect Donald Trump has chosen to guide the American economy and tackle inflation. Taking center stage on Capitol, Capitol Hill, Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Bessant, a billionaire investor and hedge fund manager.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today, I believe that President Trump has a generational opportunity to unleash a new economic golden age that will create more.

[News Anchor]

Jobs, wealth, and prosperity for all Americans. Republican senators asking Bessant to outline the stakes if Congress fails to achieve one of Trump's top priorities, extending his signature 2017 tax cuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we do not renew and extend, then we will be facing an economic calamity.

[News Anchor]

Democrats pushing back, insisting the Trump tax cuts have only benefited the rich. Now, these wealthy people have more money than they know what to do with, and it is certainly not doing anything to lower prices for working families.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe that President Trump and if confirmed myself, are committed to addressing this affordability crisis.

[News Anchor]

And part of the affordability crisis stems.

[John C. Dvorak]

From this great inflation that we've had no well, and there's. There's trouble ahead, according to old Lady Yeller.

[Adam Curry]

As U.S. treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned.

[News Anchor]

Friday that the government will reach its.

[John C. Dvorak]

Debt limit on Tuesday and will need.

[Adam Curry]

To take extraordinary measures to avoid risking a potentially catastrophic default. The issue will, of course, now fall.

[John C. Dvorak]

To Yellen's expected successor, Trump treasury pick.

[News Anchor]

Scott Besant, who is still going through.

[Adam Curry]

The Senate confirmation process.

[News Anchor]

Besant said in his confirmation hearing Thursday.

[Adam Curry]

That if President Elect Trump wants to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eliminate the debt ceiling altogether, he will work with Congress to make that happen. Yeah, we gotta print some money, baby.

[Adam Curry]

When Trump, I like the idea that we get a Republican in and the first thing he wants to do is hell with the ceiling, remove it. Let's just get rid of it. But at the same time, it's like, okay, well, there goes the balanced budget.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, no. This we wait. He has strategies. You know, supposedly the whole bitcoin community is all sittering. Supposedly on the little tiny desk next to the J6 or Jenny Pardon will also be a crypto bill that will send bitcoin skyrocketing. And that, of course, will save us because of the shit.

[Adam Curry]

This is basically the newest version of the trillion dollar coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. Because of the bitcoin strategic reserve and the stable coin. The stablecoin on top. Trump is a meta guy, you know, I think he has a plan. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

[Adam Curry]

We can go as long as the economy. When the economy collapses, we'll know what didn't work.

[News Anchor]

Also facing question today, Trump speaks for two key environmental roles. For Secretary of the Interior, former North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum, and for EPA administrator, former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin. Democrats pressing Both nominees about Trump's pledge to roll back environmental regulations. Do you agree with President elect Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

That climate change is a hoax?

[News Anchor]

I believe that climate change is real. As I told you. As far as President Trump goes, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Context that I have heard him speak.

[News Anchor]

About it was with a criticism of polic that have been acted because of climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I think that he's concerned about.

[News Anchor]

The economic cost of some policies where there's a debate. Republicans insist these nominees strike a balance between protecting the environment and the economy.

[Adam Curry]

Congressman Zeldin will correct the course of the epa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he will.

[Adam Curry]

And then, you know, these guys. This is kind of bothersome, but at the same time, what are you going to do? It's like Zeldin is totally on board. Zelda's also been on Fox a lot, so he's like another Fox guy that they're putting in these positions. And Zelda is totally on board with the, with the hoax idea, but he can't say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He can't say it.

[Adam Curry]

And so we're still at the point where you can't say what you think. So this is not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not yet. Not yet. Everyone's, they got to be, be careful because they're still, they're still in the confirmation process. We can't make everybody angry. That's not how you're going to do it. When, when we're confirmed, then we can go all crazy. And then of course, we have our oligarchy tonight or tomorrow, who will be at the inauguration.

[News Anchor]

The oligarchy turning to the inauguration just 24 hours after President Biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape in America, of what he called a tech industrial complex. Tonight we have learned a growing list of tech CEOs plan to attend President elect Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday. That list includes Apple's Tim Cook, Space X and Tesla's Elon Musk. Amazon's Jeff Bezos met as Mark Zuckerberg, Google, Sundar pichai and TikTok CEO Sho Chu. All of them. David will have prominent seats for Donald Trump. Swearing in, David now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, how about a prop bet? Little prop bet? Prop bet. Prop bet.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, what's the prop bet?

[John C. Dvorak]

Will Jason Calacanis be at the inauguration?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's no chance.

[John C. Dvorak]

J. Cal, you got tickets. He's the kind of guy that would actually get in sitting behind.

[Adam Curry]

He could find a way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but he, I think he really hates Trump. Honestly, I don't think he likes Trump. He's a little wishy washy on it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's reluctantly. I Did watch his podcast of late and they brought in that one guy, I forgot his name already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that guy. Carrie Underwood. Carrie Underwood.

[Adam Curry]

Carrie Underwood. So he, they. You could just tell. And Kelly Canis is losing his hair in some very peculiar way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that, that's just. That sucks. I mean, let's not make fun of it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not making fun of him. I'm just wondering. I mean, that's not male pattern baldness. It's like, it's like a sweep. It's going from the front to. It's just going. Is going to be totally bald. But it's going to be. It's a strange hairline. I've never seen anything quite like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what that is? Low T. Low T. I would say the oddest bit of clippage that came my way in the past few days was the Bill Gates clip.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised Bill Gates isn't going to be able to up there with him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he doesn't need to because he had a three hour dinner with President.

[Adam Curry]

Well, a lot of people have had three hour dinners with Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but he, but Bill Gates got really excited about it. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

I saw this clip. I didn't think he was that excited.

[John C. Dvorak]

But okay, a lot of people got excited. All right, forget that. Let's do something else because we have to discuss the algo chasers for a moment. This is the number one most emailed clip I received and I was happy to see that because there were a lot of different versions of it on, on the, on the Socials. I was happy to see that the valuetainment crew picked it up and did exactly what you'd expect them to do. This is algo chaser heaven, everybody. The current National Security Advisor. Security advisor. Here's a video before we got started, Jake Sullivan and, and I think, Vinny, you asked me the question before you played it and I didn't know where you were going with it. Says, I want you to watch this and tell me if there's something weird about the delivery of what he says in this. Folks, just watch it.

[News Anchor]

That's what you said to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm like, what are you saying, Vinny? In about 10 seconds into it you're gonna say, why did you say that? You didn't have to say that. What's your point of saying that? Are you insinuating something? Are you suggesting something? Just watch this here. Go for it, Rob. Go, Rob. I just will say one last word, which is.

[News Anchor]

This is my last time at this podium. At least For a little while. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I mean the only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the next few days, which, as.

[News Anchor]

You all know, is totally possible, given.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I've seen over the course of the past years.

[News Anchor]

But if it is, in fact my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last time before you, I just want.

[News Anchor]

To say thank you for what you.

[Adam Curry]

Guys do every day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for putting up with me.

[Adam Curry]

Why would the National Security Advisor say.

[News Anchor]

Farewell but go, hey, listen, you might hear from me again if something happens. And.

[Adam Curry]

And I would think since you're the National Security adviser, you have the FBI, we have all these apparatus, you should say nothing is gonna happen cuz we're secure. He says, cuz it could quite possibly almost. He's almost as if he's letting us.

[News Anchor]

Know something is gonna happen and you.

[Adam Curry]

Are gonna hear from him or I told you so.

[News Anchor]

It's not my fault we're all gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

Die, you know, but let me help you boys out there to PBD valuetainment. The guy talked. The guy has been talking for weeks about one topic and one topic only, and that's the Gaza peace deal. That's what he's referring to. Like the deal might fall apart, something might happen. But it's not as you dupes. Because that's what everyone emailed me. Oh, oh, oh, he's signaling something's gonna happen.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got the same thing. I didn't get a clip. I didn't take the clip because I thought the whole thing was so dumb. But, yeah, I'm glad you did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is what we. This is why people come to the no Agenda Show. They're like, ah, that's better. It's nothing. And even if something did happen, he.

[Adam Curry]

Wouldn'T be all these. All these podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's just one of many. They're there. And I think Bannon's the worst to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be honest about is entertaining, you have to admit.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, as Q said, that's. And it's free because you don't pay his value. Taming value painting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember, John, as Q says, nothing can stop what's coming. Trust.

[Adam Curry]

So it's like, okay, yeah, all these guys, they all do this. It's just all hair on fire is algo chasers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll go chasers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it's a good term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But I don't think. See, the problem with the term that. Well, I don't use it is that you're actually assuming they're overtly doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, that's just who they are. They. They that. They can't help themselves. But they have to do an emergency pod. You see, we. We're going live. We got valuetainment live. We've got to. I'm never gonna get on this show, by the way. Never go ever. Going to invite me?

[Adam Curry]

No. They might if you keep harping on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Emergency pod. Something's gonna happen. I mean, Alex Jones is the best now. Emergency pod, this. Thousands of ISIS everywhere. Madison Square Garden, Statue of Liberty. It's happening, it's going down. Nothing can stop what's coming. Yeah, that means I used to be a bit like that before there were even algos to chase.

[Adam Curry]

But I've learned after, you were never that bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

But after 17 years, it's like, no, no, this is the problem. This is why we have only four more years. Because it's just going to be Walter and Stetler, you know, you and me, just going.

[Adam Curry]

Did you say Walter and Staedtler?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What are their names? What are their names?

[Adam Curry]

Waldorf and Statler.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think Walter and Stet. Much better.

[Adam Curry]

Walter.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need T shirts that say Walter. Hello. No agenda shop. Walter and Stetler is our new. Our new nicknames. So last night, actually yesterday, I had a lot of time. Tina was at a conference in Dallas. She's driving back today. Hopefully she's listening. Drive safe, baby. And so I had a lot of time. That's why I went through the whole Supreme Court hearing. Learned a lot. It was very educational and I'm going to share some of that. But I also thought to myself, self, I'm gonna get me that TikTok app. Let's see what happens. I need to see what happens when this thing goes into effect on Monday. So I got me the TikTok app, which, interestingly.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean, the TikTok. Oh, the TikTok app. It went into effect last night.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, I'm getting there. I'm telling my story. I'm ramping up.

[Adam Curry]

You're talking about your ph. The phone app.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phone app, yeah, of course. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

You don't have it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I never had that. Why would I want that?

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. No, because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they spy on you, John. They're worse than any app ever. So I'm like, okay. So I. I loaded on my flip.

[Adam Curry]

Phone and it actually loaded onto that. That, on that phone, the install took. I tried to load it on my StarTac and it didn't load.

[John C. Dvorak]

Star Tac. Half the audience goes, what?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yes. But the other half thinks we're Hilarious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, that's the good news. So it loads. And. And I start right away. It gives me Denzel Washington preaching. I'm like, okay, follow heart. And then this thing just. Oh, yeah, it's great. So it immediately.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. Immediately it caught onto the fact that you're like a born again.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess so. I mean, that was the first thing that popped up. I'm like, okay, okay. Follow hart.

[Adam Curry]

There means there has to be something on your phone that it accessed and said, well, look at this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It might have just.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

It might have just been a lucky guess. Texas hill country.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Texas hill country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gillespie County.

[Adam Curry]

I get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got 35 churches here. Yeah. No, I think it was a lucky location guess.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, it's like, even if you're not into the message, it's Denzel, you know, like, oh, this is Denzel. Interesting. And so now I'm getting black preachers left and right, like doing this figure.

[Adam Curry]

You're black.

[John C. Dvorak]

Totally. Adam Curry. Are you kidding me? Curry?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Curry is a very, very black name. And. And I'm. This is entertaining. I'm loving. I'm listening. These preachers, man, they're wild. They're on fire. These black guys.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, these guys are good.

[John C. Dvorak]

And doing the fall, you know, like falling backwards and guys are catching them and it's fantastic. Then I get nothing else. Except once in a while I get, you know, someone showing up with surprise. A cheap product from China. I just, you know, sl. I checked out the shop. And.

[Adam Curry]

And then in the evening, right, There's a shop. That's what I'm missing out on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're good.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have the app.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're gonna get to that. And it's. It's right there at the top of the menu. Shop. And. And so before I went to bed last night, I'm like, let me just get me some. Give me some. Jesus. I'm gonna go on the Tick Tock app. Boom. No go. Taken down.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you were there when it went down?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. And this was 10:15. So somewhere around that time, it went out early. It went out early. And like, wow. And then. So now like, oh, now I gotta go get my other screen. You know, I gotta get the graphene OS. I gotta look at YouTube and see what everyone. Because I knew that there would be lots of sadness and crying and moaning. I need to share a few of them. Oh, by the way. Way, most of these have F bombs in them. Just for your kids, if you care.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not safe for Work well, it's not safe if you. If you care about it. It doesn't matter.

[News Anchor]

I gotta keep it real. I am crashing the out right now. I don't know what to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. I've already opened and closed the app.

[News Anchor]

Probably six times already just to keep getting the same stupid warning message. Oh, my God. Like this. This just feel. I can't. This is so dystopian. First of all, I feel pathetic that I am freaking out like this over an application being unavailable on my phone. But also, like, this has been a massive part of our lives for the last six years. And normally when something happens, I would get on TikTok and start complaining, and I can't even do that. I feel, like, disconnected.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel cut off from the world and my community.

[News Anchor]

This is crazy. This is fucking crazy. God.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I can't.

[News Anchor]

Like, now I'm rooting for Trump. Ew.

[John C. Dvorak]

God.

[News Anchor]

Like, make America great again, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

God.

[Adam Curry]

So now I see where you get the theme for today's show.

[News Anchor]

Ew.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean, low T.

[Adam Curry]

Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a lot of consistency in these clips. My community and since the pandemic, this is when everyone got hooked on this thing. And my little business, my little business, this was very consistent.

[News Anchor]

I'm so sad that TikTok might go away. It changed my life. My log home build is on here. How I taught everyone to grow mushrooms, how I showed everyone how to parasite cleanse, started my business.

[John C. Dvorak]

It saved my life.

[News Anchor]

And I just really appreciate all of you as my community. When I didn't have one, when I had nowhere to turn, when I couldn't get any help from my own doctors, I literally turned to tick tock in my community.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not want to make this.

[News Anchor]

Video and I did not want to blow believe this is happening. But we're so close to January 19th that if I don't make this video, I will be very sad. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, it's obviously we're laughing because of the severe narcissism that these people need to share all of their lives and their feelings and their problems, but you cannot, you just can't deny that they've gotten something, some redeeming quality out of this app. And many of them would realize, like, I can't believe I'm crying over an app, but I am because of my community and you guys and my friends, but they're also all their customers. And this is the last one I have. This girl, young woman, is one of those eyelash flappers. Her eyelashes are bigger than Pam Bondage's at the. At the. At the hearing, like, and she's sad. She. She wraps it all. In fact, I even saw her on a couple of M5M reports and to the US government.

[News Anchor]

I'm never forgiving you for this, and I'm never gonna trust you ever again because you just, like, that took away millions of people's income and livelihood, and who does that? So I'm never trusting you ever again with anything so dumb. Coming on the Internet and crying about an app. But the fact is that this has been a sense of community for me for years now, and it got me through really, really hard times in my life. The pandemic, losing my job, all of that getting divorced. Like, all of. Of this crap that's happened to me in the last five years since I've been on here. Hours and hours and hours of time I put into creating stuff for this platform. And I'm not the biggest creator on here. Like, I'm not, Like, I don't have 3 million followers or 10 million followers, but I am. I do have a platform. It's the biggest platform I have, and I worked really, really hard to make it. On top of that, it's been a source of income for me for going on three years now. First it was just a little bit, but then it got to be more. I'm not, like, rich off of it, but it has significantly helped my income every month. Hi, Halloumi. And it's been consistent enough that, like, I've been able to rely on it. So, like, on top of being just sad that I'm losing my creative outlet, my platform, I'm, like, worried about, like, what I'm gonna do financially.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so. And. And we can all laugh about it, but these people.

[Adam Curry]

It's hard to laugh about it, but at the same. Because it's so pathetic that you have a situation where this has evolved as a societal mechanism for people to even make money and. And. And accept it as such. So you can't really. I don't think you can laugh at it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to hug her. I want to hug her.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she needs more than a hug.

[John C. Dvorak]

She needs some cash. Cash.

[Adam Curry]

But it's just like, how did we get here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, I think I can explain this. And the first thing, I mean, I'll say it up front. I think the U.S. supreme, even though TikTok, they came back online today, they came back online this morning because the. The. The guy from Singapore said, hey, you know, President Trump has made us feel comfortable. He's going to give us a 90 day extension. We're turning it back on because they had literally turned it off. And I tried. VPNs clearly is showing them that I downloaded this from the US So even any other country I tried with a VPN it would say, nope, no good. I tried browsers, I guess they threw a cookie on there. I tried. I mean I could not get to it no matter what I tried. That came back however, on the App Store on the Google Play Store. I don't have an iPhone. It says looking for TikTok. Downloads for this app are paused due to current US legal requirements. And right about above it was the featured app Instagram. Just something to notice. I personally feel the US because that's a good one. I listened to and I have clips of it. But I want to play some other things first. But I want to say that the Supreme Court has done a severe injustice to one of the main economic outputs of our country, which is the ability to create and use media to sell crap that nobody actually needs. We are good at this. We're good at it. In mainstream television. We guilt you into thinking that you're not going to be popular or have sex or you're going to die if you don't buy these products. This is what we do. And so that's what has happened is this is a new version of a great American tradition of being the sellers and the buyers at the same time. We are the market for China. We're perfect for it and we sell it to each other. Sometimes we get really good and we make a song that everybody loves. That's one of our exports. C Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, whatever you want. But that's our culture. This is what we do. And they didn't even consider that. And all of these, I mean, there's also people who make something, their own little, little thing they make at home and they sell it on Etsy. This is the economy that is quite large. I mean it's billions. It's probably 15 to 20 billion dollars of GDP creation within the US just from TikTok alone. You know, there's some people say it's about a billion dollars a month and a lot of most of it is just this stuff from China. So I think they made a big mistake because what they didn't realize is this was, was all because our technology industry has been focused on advertising instead of the obvious opportunities. No one has the all in one solution. Google has rigged search, Amazon has horrible stores that gouge you if you're trying to sell something. Meta and Facebook, they have the small business ad market. They don't know how to work together. And this is the magic that TikTok grabbed and, and this community thing, and everybody loving the app is a byproduct of what it really is. And I was surprised, nay stunned that on the media. Yeah, I like that. On the media.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he was nay stunned, nay stunned.

[John C. Dvorak]

That on the media from NPR had the actual truth of what TikTok is. But of course, they didn't come up with it themselves. They had to bring in a blogger. But I think the guy has it right.

[News Anchor]

Tech journalist Rob Ryan Broderick has been tracking the great TikToker migration and what it tells us about the future of the Internet for his newsletter, Garbage Day.

[Adam Curry]

Ryan, welcome to on the Media.

[News Anchor]

Thank you for having me. Happy to be here.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks.

[News Anchor]

You recently wrote that, quote, americans still don't realize what TikTok is. And when you say Americans, you mean users, the people who use TikTok, but also politicians and the Supreme Court justices. You say American lawmakers think that TikTok is a social platform. I mean, I know from spending time on TikTok that TikTok's users also think that it is a social platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, this Mica guy, what a douche. He's just get to the guest and stop pontificating.

[News Anchor]

Why is it not that there are social elements to it? Of course, but TikTok is the sister app of ByteDance's other app, which is called Douyin, which can only be used inside China. And Douyin, like most Chinese social networks, are primarily social shopping apps. They make their money from live streams with influencers hawking products which you can then buy directly through the app. TikTok, when it launched outside of China, was always a long play to bring social shopping to the rest of the world. And you can see this with the introduction of TikTok shop, which happened, you know, a few years ago. All of the ways that the app surfaces content can be used for finding social content, but they were built to sell you products. You know, you'll hear users say the algorithm feels different than Instagram or YouTube or whatever. And that's why it's because it's literally built for something very different. And we in the US have never really acknowledged that or understood it or cared about that. We've kind of used it inadvertently for other other things. But that's what TikTok is here for. It's a long play of trying to make Chinese style social Shopping big in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The west and this is what we've been saying. We hadn't even really put it together to give it the name social shopping but we knew that this is what was driving the so called influencers. Everybody on TikTok who has a platform has some kind of angle to sell you some product if only just you know, like bam radio guy, you know, cheap crap. It's perfect. Just get us some cheap crap and we'll hang out with you. And it seems that the algorithm working the exact opposite of us algorithms which is get them in, get them in, get them a little mad, get them a little excited. Show them an ad. Okay, show them an ad.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's much more advanced, it's more, it's more along the lines because I. In fact we do have a note from. We probably should play it or you should read it from our TikTok insider from ByteDance there. It's more along the lines of something that was developed by Bill Ziff called Special interest Publishing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, very good point.

[Adam Curry]

And so what? What? And, and I talked to Bill a lot about some of the. His theories because he had. He really brought it to a. He overtly developed these theories and one of them was and I think this applies to this TikTok analysis is that in a computer magazine for example nothing in the magazine should be outside the realm of computing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bingo.

[Adam Curry]

So if General Motors came and says we want to run a whole series of ads to sell Chevys he would refuse the advertisement advertising. No. And it was irked by the way irked the sales guys to no end because they would bring in. They would bring it. Hey look what we got. We got you know, cigarette guy wants to advertise he's got a million dollar contract here. Nope. No it's got. If it's got nothing to do with computers it had. So in other words the idea was in and Modern Bride was a good example of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another perfect example. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is that every single ad, every single thing was being about being a bride. It was. There were never took you out of that area. You were always in the mindset and that created the buying impulse to buy from these advertisers and that's maybe what's going on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to play the note. It's G flat ByteDance alum here chiming in because I thought you were on track with the discussion. They operate an AI recommendation system it's more basic type of machine learning algos but they've been training it for a.

[Adam Curry]

Decade at least by way that is the kicker right there. That's your whole note.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

They've been training the AI algo for a decade. Good luck catching up.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's ingested every news source in the world and now all these videos and data points. When I worked on the American version of their popular news app Trow Chow in China top buzz in the US we had this complex back end system that would spit out the news that would get the most clicks. Yes, a small US based content team complemented by but by what might have been hoards of overseas Asian workers would roll through a selection of the content to filter out low quality or illegal content, thus training the algo. It's just machine learning, it's no super AI. We would also set breaking news items to the top at the time the TikTok team would decide on trends to promote in app and each worker had a set of influencers they managed and these trends would be sent their way to produce content and create trends. As you can imagine, brands would get involved, music industry would chime and they would start to predictably manufacture some categories to follow. I imagine they have such a broad data set and a big head start. So they're just a bit better at it for sure. My guess on us concerns that TikTok is such a great data harvester that them having the lead can be spun as the threat. As sophisticated data sets are said to be the lifeblood of future autonomous warfare. Well, yes, and we'll get to that. But that is exactly what's happening. And all the other stuff that when I go in and they guess based on my location. Oh okay, Curry black guy, Texas, give him some Denzel. Beautiful, beautiful. And then of course with my scroll and that's why I purposely followed and liked. They just gave me all that. I got nothing. I didn't see any gay guys showing up. I got nothing but black guys preaching their butts off. So it's a byproduct. It's a byproduct of what the algo is actually intent for, which is this social shopping.

[News Anchor]

And when you say social shopping, you're kind of referring to what is more common in China and other countries where like everything apps where you could communicate and buy your groceries and et cetera, et cetera. That's not something Americans are that exposed to currently. Honestly, like imagine if TikTok was owned by Amazon. That's kind of what all of these apps are making a play for. You have what look like social networks that have E commerce inside of them. But Then you also have e commerce apps that have social content inside of them and to try to keep up, like Amazon has even tried to add more social features. There's like a short form video feed inside of Amazon now. So that's the way that a lot of these Chinese apps have been evolving, which is towards. You're looking at social content in between buying things. That's the idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

And in my estimation this is why TikTok got in all this hot water. Because the tech companies with their very powerful lobby all got together and maybe even some mainstream media corporations said these guys have figured it it out. We've been slow. We haven't we, you know, no one has the whole thing all put together. Nobody has it. And funny enough, I remember back in 2006, 2007, M did a pitch to Amazon and said we should have our podcasters just selling your product like the original American invention, which to this day still works. Works QVC Home shopping. It is so outrageous that our Silicon Valley companies miss this. I mean it's a gigantic gaping hole. They should have seen it. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The network TVs people have seen it because they have moved Home Shopping Network onto their morning shows. Every morning show has a whole segment at the end. Yeah, that you, that basically is a home shopping network thing, only it's a little quicker and faster paced. And I don't think that the Silicon Valley people, I think you're, I think you're giving them a bit too much credit because I don't think they, I don't think they, what they've seen is the loss of interest in their products and the, and the further it furtherance of interest in, in TikTok and these other sorts of things. And that's what's freaking them out. They're just the superficial nature of it. I don't think that they've gone deep enough to understand any of what you just said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Gosh, that. Well, that's even more astounding if that's true. And of course it is true that.

[Adam Curry]

I mean that's why they had to bring a blogger out who happens to just be now analyzing. You don't hear anybody from Google saying, saying well, the way we see it, no, they're clueless.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we, and we know from my sister's research search that TikTok was overtaking search on Google because people are looking for stuff to buy. That's what people are looking for and other things. Where to go, where to eat. You know, it was, it was eating up a lot of business. Turns out though, when it comes to social shopping, the USA is not even that important to bite dance and TikTok.

[News Anchor]

I think that's an interesting distinction. I'm not sure I understand what bearing it has on the legal arguments for and against banning TikTok, nor do I see its relevance, relevance to the meaningfulness to its user base. A lot of the conversation around the ban in the U.S. particularly from lawmakers, but also in the media, is this idea that like TikTok will have to cave and they'll have to sell in the US because the US audience is so valuable. And the point that I was trying to make is that it's not because we are just one step towards a global e commerce network. Now, are we massive and are we very influential? Absolutely. But the idea that our goofy videos are so valuable to TikTok that they would sell to me feels laughable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think this guy, he figured it out. He figured out a long time ago. Final clip from on the media again, the political groupings and the communities that people belong to is all just a byproduct of their outstanding shopping algorithm.

[News Anchor]

The way that Mike Gallagher, the lawmaker who sponsored the be what we call the TikTok ban, the way, by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way, who got a lot of donations from Google, he puts it, is, you.

[News Anchor]

Know, China is engaged in a smokeless battlefield of the Internet and that TikTok represents a form of soft power over Americans. I think that ByteDance via TikTok is probably doing some version of what message meta with Facebook has done to the rest of the world. Like I do think that at this point we can say that there are radicalizing effects of social networks or social like networks that have political consequences. Do I believe that it is as simple as we want this political outcome so we're going to show people that content and that political outcome happens. I mean the research doesn't back that up. I do think the way that people experience content online and the algorithm algorithms that push it towards us do create political effects because TikTok is so interested in hyper targeting your interests. No two feeds are alike, right? Like your TikTok feed and my TikTok feed. Never two shall meet. And a lot of the impact of that has been on building small weird subcultures or fandoms or communities. But you also have a lot of marginalized communities saying that on TikTok they feel very, very comfortable where if they go to Instagram per se, they feel like very antagonized or attacked or whatever. And that does have an effect on Political speech as we saw at the end of 2023, when Israel invades Palestine. And the youth of America on TikTok are talking about it in this way that people are saying is anti Semitic or whatever it is. If you look into it, it's teenagers reacting to the conflict in a way that didn't feel moderated by mainstream media or whatever. They felt like they could just sort of have these conversations amongst themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

All byproducts. Fantastic. But it worked. The whole campaign set up by Silicon Valley and I have got to believe that Disney, abc, Comcast, I'm sure all of them were in it. We've got to get rid of these guys for the reasons you mentioned. We got to get them out. It's going too well. They're eating our lunch. And it works perfectly. When you go to the mainstream and you listen to. Here he is, Jimmy Kimmel, roll out the dangers. The dangers of TikTok. By the way, he had some funny lines in here.

[Adam Curry]

When I say TikTok is an app.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does no, right.

[Adam Curry]

Is not an app for teenagers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just like crop tops are great shirts for old fat guys. TikTok is for everyone. The problem with TikTok is it's totally.

[Adam Curry]

Controlled by the Chinese government. I heard a good explanation of why there's a problem. Problem, because I wasn't sure why exactly it was a problem. Why the Chinese.

[John C. Dvorak]

The reason why the Chinese having our.

[Adam Curry]

Kids personal information is a threat is because kids aren't kids forever. They grow up and get jobs. And when they do, the Chinese government.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will have all the passwords they use.

[Adam Curry]

They'll have everything they posted, their financial information, a lot of cases, messages, you name it, they will have it. Which isn't so much of a problem if they grow up to work at Petco. But some teenagers grow up, become nuclear physicists or they join the military or the State Department. Every single person in the army and the State Department used to be a teenager. I don't know if you knew that. And in the future, the Chinese government will have tons of their data to blackmail them with. And that's why it's a national security threat. When your nephew films himself eating corn on the cob off a Makita drill bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the message. The message is they'll have stuff to blackmail you with. Late.

[Adam Curry]

We played that clip. Not that clip, but we played a clip that claimed this sort of bull crap. I think two or three shows ago when this all began, which I had, and I had the clip it was pulled from one of the PBS or NPR shows. And it was nonsense when we played it. It was so stupid. I don't even think we talked about it much. And now it's coming to the fore. This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, wait until you hear some of the arguments made at the supreme court. And so I did a deep dive on the SCOTUS TikTok hearing. And unlike Notebook lm, you'll actually learn something on this deep dive. I've got to say up front there. There were mult.

[Adam Curry]

There were multi.

[John C. Dvorak]

There were multiple lawyers. One on behalf of TikTok USA and 1 and 2 actually on behalf of creators or as I like to call them, the creations of TikTok. And I think they. They did their clients a huge disservice by making this a first amendment case. Because the reason why the Supreme Court voted 9 to 0 was for national security. But a lot of the national security stuff comes up as they are talking about it being first amendment. And the first amendment angle that their lawyer took was, well, the algorithm is our free speech. What we decide to feature or to demote or promote that is the free speech of the corporation TikTok America. Now, of course, the problem is that the algorithm is owned by ByteDance. And so they're taking the information is running through the algo and then they present it here in the US What I thought was super interesting because I would have skipped this normally is the definition of this algorithm that came up and I don't know if this can be used in cases later in law about particularly as it pertains to social media platforms and section 203. Here's Amy Coney Barrett with the TikTok Lawyer.

[News Anchor]

Mr. Francisco, can I ask you a question about the relevant speech here? So it's right strikes me that this is a little different than your Bezos example because there it's clearly content discrimination because we're talking about the ability to post particular articles versus other articles. Am I right that the algorithm is the speech here? Yes, your honor. Well, I would say it's. The algorithm is a lot of things the algorithm has built within it. It's basically how we predict what our customers want. Want to see the editorial discretion. Yeah, the editorial discretion. It also has built within it the moderation elements. All of this kind of comes together when the source code is translated into executable code in the United States. In the United States, that executable code is then subject to vetting, review, moderation through content moderation algorithms, and that so it ultimately lands on the TikTok platform. But what we're, what we're talking about is as, as a net choice, as the editorial discretion that underlies the algorithm.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when you say editorial discretion, that's a hot button on section 203. This is why I kept this clip in my lineup. That means that you are a publication. If you're editorializing, then section 203 no longer applies. So I wonder, and constitutional lawyer Rob will be able to tell us, I wonder if just some. Because it didn't show up in the report in 27 pages, which I also went through. But if, can you use that later, say. Well, you know, they decided when they were talking that it was editorial something to, to just keep in the back of our minds.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have two thoughts on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, I thought that the reason they went with the free speech idea was they were making the assumption that because it was a conservative court, they would just be all over free speech. It was a cheap trick. Didn't work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good point.

[Adam Curry]

The second thing is when she brought up the algorithm, it was the algorithm was the algorithm that was algorithms, free speech. He should have said, no, free speech is free speech. But people say it's free speech. Got nothing to do with the algorithm. The algorithm should have been thrown out of the argument by this guy. Instead he buys into and he goes on and on about it, trying to describe it. This was a huge blunder.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what I said. I think he did his client a huge disrespectful.

[Adam Curry]

You know, he was. The problem is this is non technical, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait, wait until the clips coming up. You'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme Court is. They, they could have gotten anybody to coach them at least a little bit on this. It was embarrassing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they did. The lawyers that come out in front of the Supreme Court are supposed to be the knowledgeable ones that, that can do the coaching on the fly instead of falling into line like this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this, it was no good. But the reason why he took the free speech angle is because there's a carve out. There's an exception in this law which he kept trying to bring up. And he would get cut off by other justices, I think because either they, I don't think that they were in on the, on the gag here, but he kept bringing up temu. He says, you know, temu, they collect data, but they get a carve out and it's in this clip.

[News Anchor]

What we are seeking to do is use an algorithm that describes, displays the combination of content that we prefer our users to see on the platform. The government doesn't care about that. I mean, the government, the government is fine with you doing that. You can invent it yourself. It doesn't even care what content that displays cat videos or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but a lot of cat video examples, lady, is dogs.

[News Anchor]

But I think that the way that the analysis has to unfold is first you ask, is this law burdening our speech? I think we agree that the law.

[Adam Curry]

Is burdening our speech.

[News Anchor]

Then you have to look at whether the law itself is somehow content based. Not just what their motivations are, but whether the law is content based. And here the trigger for this law, the one thing that gets it going, is if you operate a social media platform that has user generated content, unless that content takes the form of a product, travel or business request view, then within that universe of content, it says there's one speaker we're particularly concerned about and we're going to hammer home on that one speaker. And then just to make the rubble bounce, they come in and tell us that one of the reasons they're targeting that speaker is because they're worried about the future content on that platform, that it could in the future somehow be critical of the United States or undermine democracy to pull examples from the government's brief. So I think there's no way to get around the fact that this is a content based speech restriction. And you do have to go directly to what their interests are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that strengthens your argument that they went with this because they thought conservative court. I think you're absolutely right. But he talked about the carve out there and now he's going to try and use that. What would your argument be? It would be an equal protection.

[News Anchor]

Nope, nope.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd still be saying this is the one I want.

[News Anchor]

Even if you could get just to the data security question, again, you'd have.

[John C. Dvorak]

To ask the question, would this law.

[News Anchor]

Have been passed by Congress for data security reasons? Because you're asking to uphold a law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Based on that single governmental interest.

[News Anchor]

And when you look through the provisions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like the content recommendation algorithm provision, like.

[News Anchor]

The covered company provisions, the answer is no.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you're still in doubt on.

[News Anchor]

That, just go back to the under inclusiveness problem. What Congress really worried about these very dramatic risks. Leave out an E commerce site like temu that has 70 million Americans using it and every bit the connection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does Congress have to go all or nothing on that? I mean it doesn't have to go all or nothing.

[News Anchor]

If they isolate a particular problem, they might be getting to what you're talking about next, who knows? But you're really sitting up there and saying Congress would not pass the divestiture law if data security were the only interest.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm saying it would not have.

[News Anchor]

Passed this divestiture law if data security were the only interest.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very curious why you just single.

[News Anchor]

Out TikTok alone and not other companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

With tens of millions of people having.

[News Anchor]

Their own data taken, you know, in the process of engaging with those websites and equally, if not more, available to Chinese control.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, and he has a very good point that there was a carve out for companies like Temu that have Chinese control Chinese algorithms, but they recommend product, travel or service and therefore this law does not apply to them. Now, now we're going to get into tracking and some embarrassing moments. I just want to say up front, anybody who has ever developed and submitted an app to any of the app stores I have knows how much scrutiny there, particularly on user data. In fact, Facebook had to turn off certain tracking in their app in 2022 on. On Apple's platform iOS, which they said cost them about $10 billion annually in revenue. I mean, it's equal. Unless Apple and Google are in on it with TikTok, I don't know that. And they let them do other things, things everybody has the same data, everybody can access as long as you get your user to hit okay. The minute the EULA comes up, they can look at other apps, they can look at your health data. All of this stuff is available as long as the user says okay. And of course, we all know everyone says okay. So now we're going to talk about that Sotomayor, just as Sotomayor is very unsophisticated. In fact, she doesn't even know the difference between a website and an app.

[News Anchor]

How many of these sites have all of the data collection mechanisms that TikTok has? From what I understand from the briefs, not only is it getting your information, it's asking and most people give it permission to access your contact list, whether that contact list has permitted them to or not. So they can now have data about all of your contacts and anything you say about them. How many other sites gather information by.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is so embarrassing sites. And the lawyer is even going to use the term website like just, all right, I'll stick with a website. Whatever you want, lady.

[News Anchor]

Keystrokes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back it up. The keystrokes. This is also important contacts and anything.

[Adam Curry]

You say about them.

[News Anchor]

How many other sites gather information by keystrokes to be able to do voice and finger ID information if they. There's a whole lot of data stuff.

[Adam Curry]

That was discussed in the brief that.

[News Anchor]

I don't think any other website gathers. So wouldn't this be a unique site.

[Adam Curry]

If I view the evidence that way, how would this be under inclusive?

[News Anchor]

Justice Sotomayor? I don't think a lot of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suppositions you're making actually bear out. And as Justice Gorsuch was pointing out, one of the.

[News Anchor]

Obviously the real challenges in this case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it comes to you without an.

[News Anchor]

Ordinary trial record compiled and all the rest. So we have only limited amounts of information, but absolutely these other websites are taking much the same kind of information, if not more. And as to the, as to the contact list thing, I think you also.

[John C. Dvorak]

That points out one other aspect of.

[News Anchor]

This that is voluntary decision by an American user to share that information, you know, in the Reilly case, but not informed.

[Adam Curry]

And even if that could be solved.

[News Anchor]

If you don't think it's informed, that could be solved.

[Adam Curry]

Because for the United States, the threat of using that information is what is that issue?

[News Anchor]

It's not whether the user thinks, thinks it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's whether the US believes that it.

[News Anchor]

Could put sites at issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, unfortunately, the documentation of what TikTok ByteDance collects was sealed, meaning that it could not be made public. It's trade secrets. The justices were pointed towards this and it sounded to me like they hadn't read it. We certainly can't. I was hoping, hoping there will be something in the documentation. There is a little bit which I have marked up. The platform collects extensive personal information from and about its users. Data collection practices extend to age, phone number, precise location, Internet address, device used, phone contact, social network connections, content of private messages sent to the application and videos watched. TikTok user data, user content, behavioral, including keystroke patterns and rhythms. And this is all the stuff that every single app can track with Firebase, Amplitude, ux Cam, Mixpanel, they even have session replays so you can see exactly what a user did. This is nothing new. And then the guy throws in a kicker, the lawyer. I like this. Which made me go, yeah, how about that?

[News Anchor]

Something else that I think you might notice is even if all this act goes into effect and the law goes through, through TikTok gets to keep all the data. So wouldn't a data security law require.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them to expunge that data or get.

[News Anchor]

Rid of it or something?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it's a very weird law.

[News Anchor]

If you're just looking at through a data security lens. Maybe Congress could do better, Mr. Fisher.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, good point. Good point.

[Adam Curry]

You've driven me over the boredom cliff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. But you're going to have to listen to it, because it gets really. Good. Good. Now, okay, please stay with me. Because when Justice Alito compares an algorithm to an old shirt, I mean, that's got to be worth something.

[Adam Curry]

I think you should have led with that. But. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This may not make any difference for constitutional purposes, but just out of curiosity, I'd like you to explain what the practical consequences would like likely be for your clients if TikTok went dark, as Mr. Francisco put it there, I assume is a great demand for what TikTok provides. And if TikTok was no longer there to provide what your clients really want, is there a reason to doubt that some other social media companies would not jump in and take advantage of this very lucrative market?

[News Anchor]

There are two reasons, Justice Alito. One is many of the declarations from my clients actually explain. They've tried on other platforms to generate the kind of audience and engagement they've been able to on TikTok, and they've fallen dramatically.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know they haven't so far. And I'm just. You know, I'm just wondering whether this is like somebody's attachment to an older article of clothing.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I really love this old shirt because I've been wearing this old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shirt, but I could go out and buy something exactly like that, but, no, I like the old shirt. Is that what we have here? Or is there some. Some reason to think that only ByteDance has this can? The Blake Dance has devised this magical algorithm that all of the geniuses at Maida and all of these other social media companies, they couldn't. No matter if they put their minds to it, they couldn't. When he said Maida, I'm like, okay, he doesn't know. He really has no clue. No clue. The Solicitor General on behalf of the United States, who was there to defend decision by Congress, she was the worst. She. I think she's. She's a. She may be a zoomer, but she's. She's definitely moving millennial. I mean, can you just. How, if you were to defend this, what would the example be that you give that China could do with all of our important personal information? What could China possibly do that would be so horrible for us?

[Adam Curry]

The only example they've come up with, and you played it already, and I played it before, is that you can blackmail somebody in the future. But this is, again, the example I used before previously, was that it's like having pictures of your kid crying or doing some little thing when they were three or four years old and then showing it at their high school graduation as a joke to humiliate them, which is what parents love to do. Then that's as far as it gets, which is. This is their argument. It's like, hey, you know, we got some information. We're going to. You're going to join the CIA. We got some information showing you walked around naked when you were or three. They've got nothing. It's. It's a bogus argument.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't even come up. Didn't even come up. It's much stupider.

[Adam Curry]

General Prelogger.

[News Anchor]

Mr. Chief justice, the Chinese government's control of Tick Tock poses a grave threat to national security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grave threat.

[News Anchor]

No one disputes that the PRC seeks to undermine U.S. interests by a mass amassing vast quantities of sensitive data about Americans and by engaging in covert influence operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was the term, covert influence. What did she say? Covert influence operations. Covert content manipulation.

[News Anchor]

And no one disputes that the PRC pursues those goals by compelling companies like bankdance to secretly turn over data and carry out PRC directives. Those regions realities mean that the Chinese government could weaponize Tick Tock at any time to harm the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here comes the weaponization. Stand back, everybody.

[News Anchor]

Tick Tock collects unprecedented amounts of personal data. And as Justice Sotomayor noted, it's not just about the 170 million American users, but also about their non user contacts who might not even be engaging with the platform. That data would be incredibly valuable to the prc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[News Anchor]

For years, the Chinese government has sought to build detailed profiles about Americans. Where we live and work, who our friends and coworkers are, what our interests are, and what our vices are. TikTok's immense data set would give the PRC a powerful tool for harassment, recruitment and espionage. On top of that, the Chinese government's control over TikTok gives it a potent weapon for covert influence operations. Operations. And my friends are wrong to suggest that Congress was seeking to suppress specific types of content or specific types of viewpoints. Instead, the national security harm arises from the very fact of a foreign adversary's capacity to secretly manipulate the platform to advance its geopolitical goals in whatever form that kind of covert operation might take. The act addresses the threat of foreign adversary control with link laser like focus. It requires only divestiture of TikTok to prevent Chinese government control. And that divestiture remedy follows a long tradition of barring foreign control of.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm Going to keep it short for you.

[Adam Curry]

So what she says she's projecting, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

What she's describing is what we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, exactly. I mean, you don't want China doing this. Do you want your own American companies being able to do this? Well, of course. That's exactly what the Twitter files were about. Okay, we're going to bring Thomas and Kagan into it. Is there any difference between content manipulation by a non US company as opposed.

[Adam Curry]

To a US company?

[John C. Dvorak]

Your question exactly. I didn't hear Mr. Fisher make a distinction between the two.

[News Anchor]

Yes, and I think the important thing to recognize is that the act here is targeting covert content manipulation by a foreign adversary. Name. Now I understand, my friends.

[John C. Dvorak]

What difference does that make?

[News Anchor]

The difference is that there is no protected First Amendment right for a foreign adversary to exploit its control.

[John C. Dvorak]

The difference between covert and non covert.

[News Anchor]

So I think that Congress's concern with a covert operation was that a foreign adversary could effectively weaponize this platform behind the scenes in order to achieve any number of geopolitical goals. Here, here are some of the examples. Examples that come to mind. Okay, get ready one of the pages out of the playbook here. For a foreign adversary to simply try to get Americans arguing with one another to create chaos and distraction in order to weaken the United States as a general matter and distract from any activities that the foreign adversary might want to conduct on the border. What do you mean by covert, though? I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, isn't this amazing? That's her example. We can get Americans to argue with each other. Really? That's what it's come down to.

[News Anchor]

Is covert just mean it's hard to figure out how the algorithm works? Because we could say that about every algorithm. No, the COVID nature of it comes from the fact that it's not apparent that the PRC is the one behind the scenes pulling the strings here and deciding exactly what content is going to be made to appear on the site. And another way that this. Just because we don't know the China is behind it, that's what covert means. Well, I think it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of figuring out what the algorithm is doing.

[Adam Curry]

It's just because people don't know that.

[News Anchor]

China is pulling the strings. That's what covert means. What it means is that Americans are on this platform thinking that they are speaking to one another. And this recommendation engine that is apparently so valuable is organically directing their speech to each other. And what is covert is that the PRC of Foreign address nation is instead exploiting A vulnerability in the system. Well, if that's all it means, like people don't know that China's behind it. Like everybody now knows that China is behind it anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then all those justices doubled down. They were making jokes about the fact that everybody knows it's Chinese. The whole thing was completely idiotic and stupid and highly under informed. Highly under informed. So we need to get TikTok back and we need to get people selling crap again. This is what we do. Sorry I bored you.

[Adam Curry]

Is that it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll stop here. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You were going to have more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'd had only one more, but it's enough. It's enough. It was just more joking about COVID China and her saying that Americans will start arguing. And then I think it was Kagan Gorsuch says, well, if that's what they wanted, they've already won. We did it with our own companies. So the whole thing was just idiotic and clearly Silicon Valley mainstream money to get rid of TikTok. And I think Trump will use this to a great advantage. He'll. He'll lord this over Silicon Valley, over his tech bros. He'll lord it over everybody. Oh, let me see what I can do with this. He can keep it going for at least three months. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I should let those guys come back. Maybe we should do this. I think it's is great political currency for Trump with China as well. Hey, why don't you open source that algo, let our guys in on it. We'll lower the tariffs to 10%.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Adam Curry]

Do a count on the chat room. Let's. I have the banning TikTok news. This would be. This would have been my contribution.

[John C. Dvorak]

2,655.

[Adam Curry]

2,650. That's a hundred over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So they were riveted by this presentation. That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course they were.

[Adam Curry]

This would be my. Of course they were. Of course they were bickering at the Supreme Court department. Okay, you know what?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. I think we learned a lot more than you got anywhere else.

[Adam Curry]

We didn't learn anything anywhere else. In fact, this is the, this is the extent of it. This is the banning TikTok news clip. This is be what you hear anywhere else.

[John C. Dvorak]

The popular Social media app TikTok says it will go dark for its 170 million US users tomorrow, but it may only be for a day.

[News Anchor]

President elect Trump said he will most.

[John C. Dvorak]

Likely give the app a 90 day reprieve from a law banning it once he takes office on Monday. That came in a phone interview with NBC News. Despite that, TikTok says it wants further.

[News Anchor]

Assurances from the Biden administration administration since.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will be in charge tomorrow when the ban is to take effect. Well, that ban lasted less than 12 hours or that self imposed ban lasted less than 12 hours.

[Adam Curry]

It was a publicity stunt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it was.

[Adam Curry]

So since you're playing this sort of clips, I have something to compete with it. I have three clips only though, take that long.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

A couple of minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

But NPR downloaded the comms of the fire department during the event and it turns out, and if you listen to it carefully, the timeline that we were presented with isn't quite accurate. NPR's investigations team downloaded more than 2,000 hours of communications between first responders.

[News Anchor]

And that audio shows how crews trying to control the fires ran into a huge problem with the water supply.

[Adam Curry]

Here's more on that from NPR's Kiara Eisner.

[News Anchor]

Just eight hours after the first responders saw that brush fire, a firefighter sent out an urgent message on the radio.

[Adam Curry]

If you can get a hold of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any sort of public works or dwp.

[Adam Curry]

Our folks are starting to report that they're running out of water in the hydrant systems.

[News Anchor]

The dispatcher jumped in to say people were trying to fix the problem.

[Adam Curry]

Copy that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's being worked on.

[News Anchor]

Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a truck that transports water called a tender to the scene.

[John C. Dvorak]

With us losing our water up here.

[News Anchor]

Is there any way we can get.

[Adam Curry]

A bunch of water tenders through the.

[John C. Dvorak]

City and we can keg them up.

[Adam Curry]

At least in the safe area up in the Palisade? And we can set up a portable hydrant system so our folks can have.

[John C. Dvorak]

A shorter turnaround time.

[News Anchor]

But reaching the fire was not easy. As fire trucks and tenders tried to rush there, they had to fight through crazy traffic. 71, you've got gridlock on Palisade Drive. People are driving down both sides and the fire itself kept moving with the.

[Adam Curry]

Wind that we're experiencing up here.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm looking across canyon, that's where it looks like it's headed.

[News Anchor]

Nearby, a super scooper was providing support from the air. That's a plane that scoops up water from lakes or other reservoirs to dump on fires.

[John C. Dvorak]

Louisiana County, Quebec 2 flight of two super scoopers just leaving the flight scene at this time. We're showing Van nuys in about three minutes.

[News Anchor]

NPR journalists transcribed and analyzed communications from 13 audio feeds streaming LA city and county first responder channels. The feeds were downloaded from Broadcastify.com a live audio streaming platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh boy, someone's gonna get in trouble for this one.

[Adam Curry]

We're gonna have to May you listen to these clips? I've got two more they and the timeline that we were I was led to believe and I'm going to skip not going to skip these clips, but I'm going to jump to an analysis that was done by NPR itself earlier in one of our other shows. And this is and play this so we can get a little background. This is clip is called NPR coverage about water. This is a cover up. This is a cover up story. If you listen to this and then we get back to the downloaded clips.

[News Anchor]

NPR spoke to half a dozen water and fire experts who say no municipal water systems are designed for fires this big. They say the issue was not a lack of water but hurricane force winds that meant aircraft couldn't fly and drop water on the blazes. A popular false narrative claims billionaires Stewart and Linda Resnick hoarded water on their California farms that could have been used to fight fires. Stephanie Pinsell, professor at ucla says while the Resnicks use a lot of water, their groundwater is distinct and not germane to the problem. We did not run out of water. Julia Simon, NPR News.

[Adam Curry]

We did not run out of water. This is bull crap. And if you listen to that first clip they were using the they were dumping waters from airplanes initially. It was later, after they'd long since run out of water that they grounded the airplanes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow man. Yep. Does NPR make this conclusion?

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. Because this stupid cover up story that you just played was their argument that oh no, everything is fine. Heaven forbid that we, we, you know they're self contradictory here they, they play these, these downloaded clips and then the next thing you know they're trying to cover it up. But listen to the here's part two of the of these of the comms.

[News Anchor]

By Tuesday evening the communications show conditions were getting increasingly dangerous. Ye operations Helco on command we are going to be grounding all aircraft based.

[Adam Curry]

On the wind conditions right now we're ineffective and we're not going to compromise safety.

[News Anchor]

So all rotorcraft are going to go.

[Adam Curry]

Back to Van Nuys.

[News Anchor]

You have no aircraft on the incident right now. And by 2am the next morning first responders were organizing rescues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we've done an ALS transport of a chest pain, possible CO push poisoning of a firefighter to Wes were getting a report of a patient needs to.

[Adam Curry]

Be evac'd on a ventilator and they've lost Power.

[News Anchor]

But a few minutes later, the radio communications again turned to the water problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've lost most of the hydro pressure in Zulu.

[News Anchor]

By the time the firefighter issued that update from a section of the Palisade's fire, other parts of LA had already started burning.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are now on scene of a structure fire on operations.

[News Anchor]

The Eaton Fire near Altadena had started Tuesday evening at the base of the Angeles National Forest. That's about an hour's drive northeast of Palisades. Just after midnight in the early morning on Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out there, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Truck 82, we have multiple fire alarms and tree fires.

[News Anchor]

Bushfires.

[John C. Dvorak]

Copy that, La. We do not have water.

[News Anchor]

And by 6am Firefighters near the Altadena neighborhood were mentioning problems with hydrants. We're having some water supply issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some of the hydrants are going dry.

[News Anchor]

The communications indicate this came as a surprise to the first responders. Were you having any issues like that before?

[Adam Curry]

No, negative.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't heard of anyone having issues with the hydrants.

[Adam Curry]

Let me check and see if they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can boost the pumps or. Could be the tanks are getting low.

[News Anchor]

And just past midday on Wednesday, a firefighter made a dire announcement.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I see operations just further.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're up at Lake in Altadena and all the hydrants up here are dead.

[Adam Curry]

We're working on trying to find water for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Lies.

[Adam Curry]

It's unbelievable. So this is the last clip.

[News Anchor]

California Governor Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation last week into how the fire hydrants lost pressure and how they stopped providing water. City officials say the system was never designed for large wildfires like Palisades or Eaton. It was designed for house fires or urban fires. But in a letter the governor wrote to the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, one of the utilities in charge, Newsom demanded answers on the radio channel. A first responder also thought about reaching out to the water company.

[Adam Curry]

Just checking to see if we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

A representative from the water water department so we can maybe work on our water supply issues.

[News Anchor]

But in the meantime, there was only one thing they could do.

[Adam Curry]

Pick your best targets of opportunity, the best you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're having real problems with water. No water at all.

[Adam Curry]

So do your best.

[News Anchor]

Reva Duncan is a former fire chief with the U.S. forest Service. She says that sort of response is often the only option. When they run out of water and they're in that kind of situation, then they have to kind of do triage. Do we have to move, you know, even farther over where we can be effective and efficient with our water? And at least try to stop some kind of progress of the fire. Firefighters are trained to keep their cool when communicating on the scene and over the radio. But Duncan says it's still devastating to run out of resources. It's hard for us to watch people's homes burn down and then lose everything, especially when it's the situation where there's so little that firefighters can do at that time. More than 40,000 acres have burned in LA so far across the different fire regions. That's an area three times the size of Manhattan.

[John C. Dvorak]

They like doing that Manhattan comparison.

[Adam Curry]

Three times the size of Manhattan. That's a classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure you received this. If not, it's in the show notes, the design for disaster documentary 1962.

[Adam Curry]

No, I decided I did not receive this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's the story of the Bel Air and Brentwood.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Bel Air 61 fire. Yeah, it was a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's really, really good. And that was the the catalyst for, you know, brush clearing, etc, which I think just wasn't happening anymore. It's really, it's a good doc. It's about half an hour.

[Adam Curry]

This is the same as this typical, like the financial thing. I describe it all the time. You put all these rules in place to keep something from happening. The rules keep it from happening. And then then after a few years, people say this isn't happening. What do we need all these rules for?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

It's just a natural phenomenon. So they stopped doing all the work they should have been doing. They left that 117 million gallon reservoir dead, empty, which was the Palisades Reservoir, dead empty. And then they ran out of water right away. Right away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoops.

[Adam Curry]

It's just like, it's unbelievable. What a fiasco. What a botch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, we don't really have to worry because we're Americans and we do what Americans do in these situations. Here's my 18 second NPR clip.

[News Anchor]

Music stars will hold a benefit concert for LA fire victims. The event's called Fire Aid. It will be staged on January 30th in two venues. Some of the performers will include Lady Gaga, Jelly Roll Bill and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm Korva Coleman, NPR News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing like some Red Hot Chili Peppers at your fire aid, huh? Yeah, perfect.

[Adam Curry]

Fire Aid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last night, Saturday Night Live had Dave Chappelle. I haven't seen it all, but what I saw was really good. Did a very funny sketch about a family in Los Angeles. And he also said this 50 seconds in his monologue. And then we watched News Talk to my friends, they all have these conspiracy theories.

[Adam Curry]

What started these fires. Now they say it's arsonists.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've heard this theory and I'm sure there was some arsonists, but there were.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of elements that came together.

[John C. Dvorak]

To make this fire. The catastrophe that was. The winds were 100 miles an hour. Louisiana was dry as a bone in the levees. And there was just too many factors.

[Adam Curry]

If you were a rational, thinking person.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to at least consider the pomp possibility that God hates these people.

[News Anchor]

Sodomites.

[Adam Curry]

And that's not true because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because West Hollywood was unscathed. Because how can you burn what is already flaming? There you go. I hope they bring them on to fire aid. Have him, have him crack some jokes.

[Adam Curry]

They won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course they won't.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

He probably didn't even clear it with Lauren. All the stuff he did, people are already selling. TMZ had one of those celebrity realtors on Josh Altman. Have you ever seen Josh Altman?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know these shows though, right? Yeah, yeah. They do all the high end stuff. And so they, they cornered him.

[Adam Curry]

This is hard to say. I strongly believe that percent of the people who lived in the Palisades are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not going to be moving back to the Palisades.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[News Anchor]

Yeah, and honestly, that number wasn't as.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big last week in my mind.

[Adam Curry]

But after the phone calls that I've been getting, people who are moving to.

[News Anchor]

Brentwood, Santa Monica, Bel Air, Beverly Hills.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those are going to be the markets.

[Adam Curry]

That are going to go up because.

[News Anchor]

People want to be as, as close to normalcy as possible.

[Adam Curry]

And those are those towns right? Right around the Palisades? Yeah, those are going to go up that market.

[News Anchor]

That's where they're going to move.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to be too long. You got to realize Palisades is the all American town. Right.

[News Anchor]

The families are running around.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like what you picture towns and.

[Adam Curry]

Movies that we used to watch. These kids that are five years old right now that live in the Palisades and go to school, there's a chance that if things don't move fast, it could be four to five years before they're back there.

[John C. Dvorak]

These kids are now 10.

[Adam Curry]

They're going to different schools, different lives now, you know, so it's, it's, it's tough because picture you living on a street. You're the first house finish and every other house on the street is in construction.

[News Anchor]

Yeah. Think about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want to do that.

[Adam Curry]

You want to wake up every single.

[News Anchor]

Morning and be reminded of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[News Anchor]

It's traumatic.

[Adam Curry]

I'm negotiating almost a dozen deals right now on land in the Palisades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Much faster than I ever thought I would be doing.

[News Anchor]

People are already trying to sell their dirt knowing that they're not going to go back there to home builders that.

[Adam Curry]

Will then build their house and either keep it or sell it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're selling their dirt.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's problem with that report was the very uncalifornia. Like what was the price of the dirt?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I'm sure it wasn't cheap. I'm sure it was very expensive.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure it wasn't cheap either. But what was it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We have no idea. Was it a.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Were the lots selling for a half a mile? Million dollar lots.

[John C. Dvorak]

We. You don't know anything.

[Adam Curry]

No, because it's a shitty report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, geez. Sorry. It's not a report. They cornered the guy.

[Adam Curry]

No TMZ fault. They're all from California. They know better. And California is different than the rest of the country. We talk about our real estate prices constantly. What'd you pay? Oh, I paid this. I paid, you know, the other. None of your business. Not in California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh really? Y'all talk about that all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. What'd you pay for that lot? Oh, I got it for. I got it for a song. I got for 80. The market was like a hundred. Oh, good deal. You gotta. You made a good deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, maybe he was trying to protect his clients.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think he's. Maybe their lots are going cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that, that was kind of the insinuation that people are selling their dirt is getting rid of it. You know, I don't think much insurance will cover what it will actually cost to rebuild for.

[Adam Curry]

No, they're going to have to. This is going to be lot. This is all from scratch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So time to build a new LA super city.

[Adam Curry]

LA 2.0 10 minute Palisades.

[John C. Dvorak]

15. We'll give him 15. Of course in electrified California, the EVs were a real problem with firefighting. Here's CNN.

[News Anchor]

Scattered amongst the ruins of California's devastating wildfires sit countless Teslas and other electric vehicles, most by owners forced to flee from the fast moving flames. The charred EVs are a grim reminder of a new frontier facing firefighters and residents when battling wildfires and the daunting environmental challenges in cleaning up some of the remains.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little different world now today with batteries. Not just car batteries, but battery packs.

[Adam Curry]

People with Solar, those Tesla wall batteries and the like.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the hazmat side of this is made a little bit more complicated.

[News Anchor]

Just last month, the EPA approved the state's ambitious plan and the sale of new gas.

[Adam Curry]

So that was Newsom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

GRAVELLY VOICE Newsom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who's promoting that you have to go 100% EV by 2030.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You can't sell a gas car anymore. And he's making that comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What a douche.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Hazmat side of this is made a little bit more complicated.

[News Anchor]

Just last month, the EPA approved the state's ambitious plan to end the sale of new gas operated vehicles by 2035.

[John C. Dvorak]

35 extra five years.

[News Anchor]

California has seen a surge, surge in electric vehicles over the last decade. There were more than 3,000 EVs per 100,000 residents in California in 2023, the highest per capita of any state in the U.S. according to the Department of Energy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's talk to the firefighters about it.

[Adam Curry]

Twenty, 30 years ago, when these things were not present in these fires, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn'T have to think about that.

[News Anchor]

San Diego Fire Battalion Chief Robert Rezendi is a member of the EPA's lithium ion battery task force. He says the surge in batteries and homes and in EVs creates a new layer of complexity in firefighting.

[Adam Curry]

As the batter batteries start to burn.

[John C. Dvorak]

They actually release flammable gases like hydrogen.

[Adam Curry]

And carbon monoxide and then they also.

[John C. Dvorak]

Release their own oxygen.

[Adam Curry]

And so smothering the fire doesn't really work in these situations. Putting a bunch of water on them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn'T really work in these situations.

[News Anchor]

Resendi says a normal gas powered car fire can be managed in five to 15 minutes, but putting out an EV fire could take two to 12 hours.

[Adam Curry]

So the battery just kind of has.

[John C. Dvorak]

To run its course and its chemistry.

[Adam Curry]

Needs to be consumed before it'll stop being on fire.

[News Anchor]

If there is a vehicle that's burned out right now in one of these wildfire zones in la, that was an ev, is it possible that if the battery is intact, it could still reignite? Yes, because of reignitions. He says it could take a swimming pool's worth of water to fully extinguish an EV battery fire.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how about that battery power storage plant in California? Was that in your San Jose?

[Adam Curry]

It's a lost point. It's off on the coast. It's actually a power plant and they use the battery. They had a big bunch of batteries there to save wind power.

[John C. Dvorak]

To store the electricity.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it blew up the things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it still on Fire.

[Adam Curry]

I would think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they want to put one of those in Kerrville or it's actually close.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bad idea. It's a very bad idea. Except I was thinking about it while listening to that last clip. Why can't somebody. Because like it takes what, 12 hours to put the fire out. A swimming pool won't do it. I mean it just keeps burning until the batteries are gone. There's got to be some chemical way of stopping these fires.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only thing I've seen is they have like this big fireproof oxygen tight tarp they throw over the car and then it kind of burns out underneath that even.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but still burning. They got to find something. There's got to be some solution to this issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a solution. Combustion engines.

[Adam Curry]

I know your solution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Combustion engines have the explosions under the hood, not in your garage. It's. And yeah, you're right about Newsom. It's horrible. Oh yeah, there's no good.

[Adam Curry]

He just likes to hear himself talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the climate change angle. It's finally starting to, to kick in and we have, I think a definite new Reverend Al clip when it comes to the LA fires and climate change. He's in rare form today.

[Adam Curry]

Firefighters have been making progress in containing the raging, the raging Palisades and Eaton fires. The devastation now ranks among the worst in California history. Meanwhile, the World Meteorology Meteorology Radical foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record. 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre industrial levels, bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by Glossal leaders under the 25th Paris Climate Agreement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glossal. Glossal Leaders. There's more.

[Adam Curry]

Los Angeles county has declared a public health emergency due to the air quality. Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and particular matters which they say may cause long term health effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Particular matters.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. He's got a new producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

A set of particulates.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Particular matters. Rev Al is the best. And how much does he make? This is where you usually remind us.

[Adam Curry]

Of that, I think a 1.2 mil at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBS this Morning jumped right in with Jane Pauley. Although I cut Jane Paulie out of these two clips, they found someone to make all the connections.

[News Anchor]

The monster that roared through LA county last week is still alive, but firefighters seem to have it cornered. People have started returning to their homes, or what's left of them. And insurance, if they had it is a whole other battle. And the focus now is turning from what happened to why it happened and what in the world is next. This Disaster is as bad as just about anybody here can remember. But is it really just the new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Normal nature is telling us?

[News Anchor]

I can't take this anymore.

[Adam Curry]

I cannot support you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen carefully. There's nature telling us it can't take it anymore.

[News Anchor]

But is it really just the new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Normal nature is telling us?

[News Anchor]

I can't take this anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

I cannot support you if you keep treating me this, this way.

[News Anchor]

John Valiant is the author of Fire Weather on the Front Lines of a Burning World. And he says climate change is making disasters like the wind driven LA fires fiercer. This is not an anomaly. This is the future.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can expect fires of this intensity and worse in the future. The types of fires we've seen over the past 10 years are qualitative different from the previous hundred years.

[News Anchor]

The types of fires are different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[News Anchor]

How has fire changed?

[John C. Dvorak]

In a number of ways.

[News Anchor]

The most potent and frightening way, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most obvious to the layperson, you know, people like us is it moves faster and with greater intensity.

[News Anchor]

And you talk to any firefighter with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any sense of history and they are seeing different behavior that is in many cases is unfightable. I guess he hasn't seen the documentary about the 1961 Bel Air Brentwood fire. Went pretty fast then, pal. But this is what they do, bring it right around to climate change because you know, Trump's coming in, we gotta, we gotta press this issue, we gotta make people think about this stuff because they're nowhere safe.

[News Anchor]

And Valiant says the cause is something science has been telling us for decades. The CO2 that our combustion engines keep pumping into the atmosphere.

[Adam Curry]

We don't feel it, we don't smell.

[John C. Dvorak]

It, we don't notice it. But if you were to take the car engine that brought me here and set it up on the floor here and fired it up, we would go deaf and then we would die from its emissions. I love that. We would go deaf and then we would die and set it up on the floor here and fired it up, we would go deaf and then we.

[News Anchor]

Would die, die from its emissions.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's under the hood of every.

[News Anchor]

Internal combustion engine car, and there are hundreds of millions of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the emissions from fire, these trillions.

[Adam Curry]

Of fires we make, he's the guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who wrote the book about fire because of climate change. He's on CBS. They did, they did the whole, they did a 10 minute pass package on him. 10 minutes to tell us we're gonna die. So the emissions from fire, these trillions of fires that we make every day, has created this artificially warm climate and.

[News Anchor]

So he says we get more intense fires.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. What's the temperature there in Austin here right now?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not in Austin, but we are.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the Austin area.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, right now we're probably around. Just around freezing.

[Adam Curry]

You're around freezing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we're freezing.

[Adam Curry]

It's around 32 or so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, it's freezing. Yes, we're. We're. We're.

[Adam Curry]

So that's the horrible heat that you're dealing with. I'm sorry to hear that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. How about you?

[Adam Curry]

It's 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's cold for you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I take it back. I'm looking at the thing on this on screen here. It's actually 49.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, put on the sweater.

[Adam Curry]

I got one on, believe me.

[John C. Dvorak]

From fire.

[News Anchor]

These trillions of fires that we make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every day has created this artificially warm climate.

[News Anchor]

And so he's artificially warm. We get more intense fires, stronger hurricanes. Stronger hurricanes and hotter heat waves. We're gonna lose everything. And we're not joking. Climate scientist Peter Kalmat.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a gnat pop. They just threw in a gnat pop.

[News Anchor]

This is great heat waves. We're gonna lose everything. And we're not joking. Climate scientist Peter Kalmus has been sounding much the same alarm for years. So do you feel like you're sitting on all this science and you're trying to share it with the world and.

[Adam Curry]

Sitting on science?

[John C. Dvorak]

Another show title, Sitting on Science is dynamite. Sitting on science.

[News Anchor]

Do you feel like you're sitting on all this science and you're trying to share it with the world and no one's listening? That's exactly how I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[News Anchor]

We met him in 2022 near his home in Altadena, California, just as he was about to move his family to North Carolina. Was part of that move because you were worried about wildfires? Yeah. So for a few years, I wanted to move to someplace a little bit less fiery. But I want to make it clear, I don't think there's any place safe from climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

And believe me, he went right into Helene, and he's in North Carolina. And, you know, so we're all going to d. There's no place, no place where it's not safe, anywhere from climate change, anywhere ever. Not gonna happen. Might as well get used to it. The new normal.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think you're right. This is a Trump thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, totally.

[Adam Curry]

Because we don't need the hoax idea floating around. No, no, the hoax, that's preemptive strike, is what this would be called in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Normal circumstances from cbs, from cbs, the communist broadcast.

[Adam Curry]

Cbs the worst. The communist broadcasting system.

[John C. Dvorak]

You remember. Oh, not that report. All the reports from the surgeon general about alcohol and cancer two weeks ago.

[Adam Curry]

Two weeks ago. I've heard a couple reports this last couple of days and what did we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think that might be on the way?

[Adam Curry]

Mocktails.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mocktails. If only. No, no. Would to the index of other news.

[News Anchor]

A new report by the American Cancer Society tonight finding certain cancers on the rise among women and younger adults, including breast, thyroid and colorectal cancers. For the first time, cancer diagnoses in women ages 50 to 64 have now surpassed men.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your report. And so it begins. They've all been drinking too much. That's going to be the reason.

[Adam Curry]

And of course our thesis is the vaccine cover up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. I got a note from one of our boots on the ground nurses actually in Southern California. She says at our hospital there's been a lot of talks amongst doctors of what they feel about using GLP1 drugs for alcohol. Some are very intrigued and walk around saying hey, just Google GLP1 drugs and alcohol addiction. The solution is right there. Problem, reaction, solution.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of these things are compound nowadays. It's like it solves a lot of problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it does.

[Adam Curry]

I know it's that they haven't gotten to the one you're pushing in which is coming. I'm pretty sure you might be right about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What the alcohol with the.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, the GLP ones and erectile dysfunction. That's gotta come on. It's gotta be on the next stop on the train.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it in the book? It should be in the book. It should really.

[Adam Curry]

You made it go in the book and somebody's out there. There's a virtual book that's floating around. I got a couple Biden clips I want to get out of the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Biden and the 28th amendment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, this has been interesting. This is the NPR stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the two. I got two clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three days before President Biden leaves office, he made a surprise of announcement about a proposed constitutional amendment that has been debated for decades.

[Adam Curry]

Today I affirm the Equal Rights Amendment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have cleared all the necessary hurdles to.

[Adam Curry]

Be added to the U.S. constitution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the Equal Rights Amendment that says, quote Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. But the official who certifies constitutional amendments, the archivist of the United States States does not think the proposal has been Properly ratified. NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben joins us. Danielle, thanks so much for being with us.

[News Anchor]

Of course. Good morning, Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

What exactly did the president announce?

[News Anchor]

Well, he announced basically what we just heard there. He said that in his mind, this amendment is already the law of the land. Now, of course, it's not in the Constitution. And were it to get there, legal scholars say the ERA could affect a wide range of areas like pregnancy discrimination, pay equity, and reproductive rights. But before the ERA can become an amendment, it has to be certified by the archivist, a woman named Colleen Shogun. The White House told reporters Friday that Biden wasn't directing her to certify the era. Rather, they said that Shogun is simply required to certify the amendment. And the archivist has said that's not happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, this story was very confusing to me. And I'm, obviously, I'm interested in a constitutional amendment, but this has been batting around since the 70s.

[Adam Curry]

It expired. Oh, it never passed. And it had a deadline built into the act to make it a constitutional amendment. And it never made. It never made the deadline. It never got passed. It was just bullcrap. And so this bite. So J.D. vance had the best one liner. He had it on Twitter. He says, hey, Joe, while you're making these proclamations, make Pete Rose a member of the Baseball hall of Fame, which is about the same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, but just let me understand, because what I heard, and that's, of course, the reporting is, excuse me, that Virginia said, oh, no, we ratify it and now it's ratified and it should be the amendment that is that what the story is?

[Adam Curry]

This is Biden's interpretation of reality. This is all bull crap. This is this to make this amendment part of the Constitution, the process has to be started over. It's expired, but Biden has just decided to do this like a maniac.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we don't think Biden actually is doing anything. Someone else is acting like a mania. Did you. I didn't clip it. Did you see the speaker of the House?

[Adam Curry]

Well, before you go with that, let's play the second half of this and then we'll talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

If the archivist is that explicit, where's the confusion?

[News Anchor]

Well, we have to go back to when the ERA passed Congress in 1960, 1972, to explain this. After that, it went to the states for ratification. 38 states have to sign off on an amendment. And importantly, the ERA had a deadline attached to it for ratification. That deadline was eventually set for 1982, but by then it was still three states short. Now despite that, state legislatures continued ratifying it over the years. And in 2020, Virginia became the 38th state and the era reached that benchmark and the debate was reignited.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, but why is there debate?

[News Anchor]

Well, it's all about that initial deadline I mentioned that was put on the era. Now one side, which includes the American Bar association, they argue that the deadline does not matter. One argument they make is that the Constitution just doesn't say anything about amendments having deadlines. But interestingly, DOJ officials under both Trump and, and Biden are on the other side of this. During the Trump administration, the DOJ issued an opinion saying the deadline did matter and that it was up to courts or Congress to move the ERA along. And in 2022 the Biden DOJ agree that this is up to the courts and Congress. And this is where the archivist comes in in 2022. And again last month her office, Colleen Shogun said that they are following what the DOJ said in those instances.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

They can start it over. They want to pass this thing started over there was all in on it was this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does this go back to the bra burning?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, it's that old, huh?

[Adam Curry]

I think it was initiated in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

70S and, and, and, and this is really about discrimination based on sex.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which. And I guess there's tons of laws already that don't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there was actually we had a series of clips the Archives by Phyllis Schlafly. She was the number one proposed complainer about this thing. Phyllis Schlafly was a left of sorry right wing woman who was very famous for. And she's, and she was interesting if these, these series of clips that we put on the show. I, I think we played some of them. She was sharp and she. No one could really is one of those people like you know, know trying to debate like if you went up and decided to debate Ben Shapiro for example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh I would, I would be screwed.

[Adam Curry]

He'd be dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Screwed.

[Adam Curry]

Well she was this type. She wasn't that she wasn't a fast talker but she was hard to, to beat into these debates. And she made her commentary was based on look, women have it better right now because we're, we're like a protected class without this constitute, without this amendment. She says you put the amendment in and now we're gonna have to go to war, we're gonna have to be drafted. We're gonna do. She just moaned and groaned about how this amendment was a bad idea because it was, it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got a Good deal going on.

[Adam Curry]

They had a good deal going, the way she saw it. And she had a strong argument and she convinced she's the one. She is the reason this never passed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

Now they could restart it because she's not around anymore and there's nobody making her arguments and everyone's, you know, gung ho for this and that. So it's, it's possible they could get it to be passed. But she had, she had strong arguments and she was powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the first thing the Republicans would do would be exactly that is like, okay, you're being drafted now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's what you do. Yeah. You take the worst case scenario and you make it worse. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you clipped the, the Mike Johnson stuff, because I thought about it and I. I guess I forgot about it. Can we play those?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Mike Johnson, this is a clip that has a lot of people bent out of shape. And I want to defend him. I think I only have two clips. Yeah, he had a meeting with Biden and Biden wasn't. Apparently he showed him that he wasn't really running the country. And everyone condemned Mike Johnson after these clips appeared because it was like, why don't you say something? Why don't you go. And the problem that you have with that is, is that when you're. If you're the speaker of the House, meeting with the President, that's a private conversation. No matter. You can't. And he says why he can talk about it now? Because the Wall Street Journal brought it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

They published it.

[Adam Curry]

No, you can't go in and discuss this sort of thing just in general. So I give him a break on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

In some ways, I actually kind of feel sorry for Joe Biden. I mean, he's in the twilight years of his life. He is not, obviously, has not been in charge for some time. And I know this by personal observation, and now the whole world knows it. And it's been very, very concerning to me over the last, you know, year and a half since I've had this.

[News Anchor]

Can you tell us a story? When you say personal observation?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, it's public now because the Wall Street Journal got it and put it on the front page. But January, a year ago, almost exactly a year ago, I had been asked. I became speaker in October 2023, and there were all sorts of big national security concerns and everything going on. And I started requesting a meeting with the President because, you know, I'm kind of old school. I'm a constitutional law guy. Speaker of the House should be able to talk to the President, especially in times of great national interest and calamity. But they wouldn't let me meet with him. And his staff kept putting. Giving me excuses. This went on for, like, eight or nine weeks. I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, he doesn't have time. What are you talking about? I'm second in line of the presidency. He has time. I need to talk to him. We had. I can't say the classified parts, but we had some big, big national concerns at the time that I was losing sleep over. Finally, I just went to the Hill press corps, and I said, the president is not being allowed to meet with a speaker. There's a problem. So they started putting pressure on him. Long story short, they finally relented. They invited me to the White House. I show up, and I realize it's actually an ambush because it's not just me and the President. It's also Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, you know, the whole. The CIA director, everybody. And then. So I walked in the open. Ah, I know what this is. This is a. They're going to hot box the speaker on Ukraine funding. That's what it was. This is probably third week of January. Hey, Mike, what's that in your mouth? The CIA director. Hey, Mike. Let me do a little pull aside with Mike here for a second. I think I remember him saying that he couldn't get a meeting with the President that I think he did say in public.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he could do that, but he couldn't discuss the meeting itself. But now he does, and here's what the outcome was.

[John C. Dvorak]

We sit down, we're in the midst of it and the whole conversation, and I'm going, we don't need to have this conversation. The president reaches over just like this. We're sitting in the. Right next to the fireplace in the Oval, and he grabs my arm and he says, the speaker and I just need a couple minutes together. Will y'all just leave us alone? And I looked up on the faces of some of the staff standing around the wall, and they're like, no, he did it. So they. He called it. He's the Commander in chief. So everybody leaves, and he and I are standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval Office, right over with a rug by that coffee table. And I said, Mr. President, thanks for the moments. You know, this is very important. I got some big national security things I need to talk to you about that I've heard, and I think, you know, and what do we do? And. But first, real quickly, Mr. President, can I ask you a question? I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana. Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Like, I don't understand. You know, liquefied natural gas is in great demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Because you understand we just talked about Ukraine. You understand you're fueling Vladimir Putin's war machine because they got to get their gas from him. You know, and he looks at me stunned with this, and he said, I didn't do that. And I said, Mr. President, yes, you did. It was an executive order, like, you know, three weeks ago. And he goes, no, I didn't do that. And he's arguing with me. I said, Mr. President, respectfully, could I go out here and ask your secretary to print it out? We'll read it together. You definitely did that. And he goes, oh, you took talk about natural gas. Yes, sir. He said, no, no, you misunderstand. He said, what I did is I signed this thing to. We're going to conduct a study on the effects of lng. I said, no, you're not, sir. You paused it. I know. I have the terminal, the export terminals in my state. I talked to those people this morning. This is doing massive damage to our economy, national security. It occurred to me, Barry, he was not lying to me. He genuinely did not know what he had signed. And I walked out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought, we're in serious trouble. Who is running the country? Like, I don't know who put the paper in front of him, but he didn't know. So we know who was running the country because they were in the room. That's who. That's who has been running the country. And I would say CIA director being there, probably has the goods on everybody. Might. Might have been calling the shots.

[Adam Curry]

We also had that doing the Donald and Brothers or the blackrock folk. But the question that comes to mind, and it's never discussed, and Barry doesn't discuss it, that's for sure, and it wasn't discussed on this interview. Who does he think is running the country? A. And then. But the other thing is, what was the point of pausing the LNG exports? What. I mean, why was that? What. Why was that decision made? Was it so somebody could play some stocks or somebody could make a quick buck or. I mean, what exactly. What was the rationale for doing that? For that pause, that pause in time? Who benefited from it? Can somebody trace. I mean, you should be able to follow the money on that one. That should be easy enough. To figure out maybe somebody was just a dupe to sign it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe somebody had a tanker of oil out there, there on the ocean.

[Adam Curry]

It was very suspicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was odd. It was odd. It was like our number one gangbusters move the lng. It was perfect for us. Well, speaking of our allies, and this will be the last that I have before we take a break, I'm very excited because Ritter, Ritter, our boy is on thunder fire. But first, we have to understand just how worried our allies are about the big orange man.

[News Anchor]

For the last four years, Europe felt it could rely on its American ally when it came to trade and defense. But not anymore. Donald Trump hates the ongoing US EU trade deficit, which continued to grow during his first term. It means America buys a lot more from the EU than it sells to the eu. Last month, he said he told the.

[Adam Curry]

European Union to close that deficit by.

[News Anchor]

The large scale purchase of American oil and gas.

[Adam Curry]

Otherwise he'd use what he says is his favorite word, tariff. Tariff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tariffs, tariffs. They're doing super cuts now in the news.

[Adam Curry]

Tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tariffs.

[News Anchor]

Trump believes US Import tariffs, which are basically attacking tax on imports, are lower than the EU's.

[Adam Curry]

Any questions?

[News Anchor]

And he may be right. The World Trade Organization says that in 2023, the average US tariff was 3.3% compared to 5% in the EU. But that rises to 10% when it comes to importing American cars into the.

[Adam Curry]

European Union, which is why he's threatening.

[News Anchor]

The bloc with counter tariffs, a tactic that for him doesn't just apply to trade wars.

[Adam Curry]

We need Greenland for national security purposes. People really don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to.

[News Anchor]

But if they do, they should give.

[Adam Curry]

It up because we need it for national security. And if Denmark wants to get to a conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have any right, title or interest, the people are going to probably vote for independence or to come into the United States. But if they did, if, if they did do that, then I would tariff.

[News Anchor]

Denmark at a very high level on defense spending. He's already putting pressure on Europeans to spend more as a percentage of their overall economic output.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think NATO should have 5%. Yeah, well, you can't do it at 2. I mean, 2%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every country.

[Adam Curry]

If you're going to have a country in a regular military, you're at 4%.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they should be. You know, they're in dangerous territory.

[Adam Curry]

I think you should be. They can all afford it, but they should be at 5%, not 2%. I'm the one that got him to pay 2%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I played that for the 5% number which I had not heard before. Had you heard 5% of GDP?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, as it turns out, the guy who used to be in human resources at Unilever, who ran the Netherlands into the ground for the past 12 years, who is now the head of NATO, he's our, our guy. He is selling. Our guy is Mark Rutte. He works for us and he's doing a great job. I have some Dutch pride, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Now what I know from Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from the incoming administration is that they were the ones pushing us for more defense spending. They were successful at this and they were right. They were right. They were right, yes. I mean we did not spent enough. And now luckily we are overall close.

[Adam Curry]

To close to interesting weight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's so much better. Give that guy strobe waffle. Spent enough. And now luckily we are overall close.

[Adam Curry]

To close to the 2%.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem is of course, that in the meantime the 2% is not enough. It's not enough. We just heard Trump say it himself and some of you asked me, okay, what should it be?

[Adam Curry]

I don't want to commit to a number.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yes, as I said in my Carnegie. Yeah, you better say it because here's my number talk after my speech when you look. So let's say at a sort of first glance at the capability requirements emerging from the internal planning process within NATO, it will be north of 3%. But then you are right, if you do joint buying and making use of the NSPA Luxembourg structures and everything else. Listen to these Luxembourg structures. We have all kinds of funny ways to make the money flow with a nature in the EU you can deduct joint buying, you can deduct innovation. For example, this guy he's selling is like, look, listen, you can afford this place, you can afford this house, you get to write off the mortgage, you write off your insurance. I mean this is a bargain. Ukraine is experimenting with new radar systems which are extremely less expensive than some of the more traditional radar systems to detect enemy missiles coming in.

[Adam Curry]

Just one example, radar. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheap radar is very cheap radar from Racion. We've got many more capabilities we can buy from America to detect enemy missiles coming in. Just one example, if you do that, deduct that you don't have to get to the, to what we are afraid.

[Adam Curry]

Of you would need now, which is 3.6, 3.7.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you would bring that number somewhat down, but it will be impressively more than a 2% we are at now, I'm afraid. But that is a structured process within NATO. We'll conclude it over the coming months with the defense minister's latest in June before the summit in the Hague. So now, as a good salesman, he's going to look at the other side. He's going to look at your argument why you shouldn't buy this, why you shouldn't buy into this much higher defense spending on American gear. Oh, you want to have your, your own NATO? Fine, go ahead. Then on the more autonomous European defense. Well, it's great to have a sort of European NATO. But then forget about the 2%. Then you have to bring it up to 8, 9 or 10%. This guy's great. Forget about this. Forget about it, man. 8, 9%. Really? You have to build your own nuclear capability. Oh, yes. Take 15, 20 years. Take forever. If you want to build a European nation, NATO with it out to us at this moment, U. S is spending over 60%. Oh boy. Of all the money is being spent within NATO territory over 60%. That means the other 31 are doing less than. Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, get your, get your math right. 40%, including Canada. And so it is an illusion that you can build a European NATO over.

[Adam Curry]

The next 10 or 50 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you. And why would you. I mean, the tr. Transatlantic relationship, I think after the first world war, but particularly after the second world war has served us very well. Yes. So why would we disconnect from the US I would be against it. But again, if you want this for ideological reasons, if you want this, if you hate the orange man that much, it's okay. Then you have to quadruple or even more your defense spending and then it will still take you 10 or 15 years. Yeah. So you go ahead, you do that. And meanwhile me, Margaret Ritter, I'm going to close the. The deal now. I'm absolutely convinced the United States will stay within NATO. I'm not worried about that.

[Adam Curry]

But we have to to make sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

That the arguments which the US had in the past and still can have to a certain extent at this moment.

[Adam Curry]

That because of what they are spending, we can spend more on other stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they spend it on defense, that we take out that argument by spending more ourselves. And when I say spending more ourselves yet is better spending, joint procurement, innovation, etc. But again also more spending. The 2%, everything I'm seeing at this moment is not nearly enough. And if we don't do it, we are safe now, but not in four or five years. Here comes the threat. So if you don't do it, get out your Christian language courses or go to New Zealand or decide now to spend more. And that's exactly the debate we have to finalize over the next three or four a month to stay safe in this part of the world and defend ourselves. You will be speaking Russian if you don't spend the money. I'm liking this guy now.

[Adam Curry]

You've always liked him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's perfect for us if you can do him well, but he's perfect. I had no idea. He is 100% military industrial complex shill. I mean, surprise gambling going on on here, but I mean, he's perfect for this because, you know, you can't argue that. You want to speak Russian, Go ahead. Don't. Don't spend the minis. We must decide this in three to four months.

[Adam Curry]

So the AFD people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In Deutschland, they, they. They're seriously thinking of quitting NATO.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you, If Germany leaves. What. What's left? That's where the Muni is coming from.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. It's going to be an interesting year.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Europe goes back hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. They're always fighting with each other. And the fact that we've put this off somehow, where there hasn't been any real fights, you know, since. For, since 1946, except for this Ukraine situation and a few miscellaneous bombings here and there in Serbia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minor, minor stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Minor incursions. Yeah, it's a miracle. They were always at each other's throats, traditionally forever. I don't see why that would change. It's got to come back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if Germany, if the AfD helps Germany leave NATO, they'll. There it is. And isn't it always the Germans and the French?

[Adam Curry]

It's always the Germans and the French in some way, shape or form. I mean, the British are always in there too, fighting someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they got nothing now. Nothing. They got nothing. Yeah, well, with that, how about I thank you for your courage and morning to you, the man who put the seas. Incredible. Bullcrap. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, the unimitable, John C. Devor.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in your morning, ships and sea boost on the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water, dames and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, our peak was still 2655. It's good this being, you know. Everyone wants to hear what you have to say about TikTok and I'm sure you will say, like gave him too much.

[Adam Curry]

You did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, we don't need to have A meeting about it. Message received.

[Adam Curry]

We don't have to have a meeting about it. We never have meetings about anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually, we don't.

[Adam Curry]

I do have a late donation that came in though, that I will talk about as it come. As we get to the donation segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we typically don't do that.

[Adam Curry]

I know, I know. And that's what you. But my complaint is. It'll be a big complaint.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what about the meeting about that late donation? We should have had a meeting.

[Adam Curry]

I could have brought it up, but I'll bring it. You can talk about it after the show in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

In our pre show meeting where we.

[Adam Curry]

The pre show meeting, which consists of in the morning and hit it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit it. That is how all meetings should go. If all corporations did meetings like we.

[Adam Curry]

Do, there's also one, there's a variable which is did you get the bonus clip? That is the third element.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is a big part of the meeting. Occasionally that's rare part of the meeting. Those trolls, by the way, are hanging out at Trollroom IO Noagenda Stream. And there's a troll room where you sit there, you troll along for some reason, people, there's like five guys in there and all they say is, oh, that's fake and gay. That's the only line they have.

[Adam Curry]

Fake and gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the only line they have. Yeah. Over and over again it's just like, oh, wow, I don't. You need new material is what you need. New material, guys.

[Adam Curry]

Low T.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, you can also get the show live on a modern podcast app. Go to podcastapps plural.com and get one of them that has the bat signal and we go live and you can listen live in your app, the same app that gets you all of your favorite podcasts. And when we release the podcast within 90 seconds, you'll be notified. It's a beautiful thing. And it adds all kinds of cool stuff like chapter with art that is taken from our art generator, which is diligently uploaded by our artists during the show. They make these things. And that of course is part of our value for value model where we give this to you as a public service. If you get any value out of what we have presented to you, then you just send it back to us. Time, talent or treasure. So let's start with the value we receive from our artists. For episode 1730. We talked titled that one Pam Bondage. Oh, by the way, I got a note from. Let me see, where is it from? Trolldar. And he sent a picture of him at a rally where Pam Bondi was speaking and he says, yeah, she may be telegenic, but in real life she looks like Merle Haggard in a blonde wig.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so doesn't matter if you're telegenic.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that would just be something that you'd be interested in hearing about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you know, I have this theory and so it's, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, go ahead. What's the theory?

[Adam Curry]

Different? Well, there's this. I consider there's different kinds of beauty and in this, within the same person, there's three kinds of beauty you can, you can exhibit. One is in person beauty. Some people that are just beautiful, terrific looking in person person. And then there's photogeneity, which is somebody who looks great in a photograph.

[John C. Dvorak]

Photos.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And then there's telegeneity, which is also similar, but it's not the same. And it's when people look good on video. And she is telegenic. She's a little photogenic. I've never seen her in person. But I'm brings me back to my story about Marla Maples.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you have mentioned this, but go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

The story about Mar. I got to meet Marla Maples, Trump's wife. Or became her wife. Or became his wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was she married to the Donald at the time?

[Adam Curry]

No, she was not. She was single.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you could, but you were like, hey, baby.

[Adam Curry]

No, you could tell she wasn't interested in anybody but someone bloated. But you could also tell this when you. For one thing, she was more beautiful than you can imagine to the point where she looked pretty in photos. But no, no, she didn't really look.

[John C. Dvorak]

All that great in photos. Was okay.

[Adam Curry]

It mattered not because she was a killer. And you knew from just looking at it, if she put her hooks in you, you were done. And that's what happened to poor Trump now. So I'm having a photo take a shoot in New York and with this photographer there who's a picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, are you in the photo shoot or are you producing the photo shoot?

[Adam Curry]

I'm the guy being shot by this photographer.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was this for? Was it wasn't it.

[Adam Curry]

It was for PC computing or something? It was, I don't know, I can't remember. But it was. I had had to have this shot. So I was in there talking to the guy and he's also did fine art. And I said, oh, you know, I'm always trying to scrounge some free stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free stuff.

[Adam Curry]

And so I somehow Marla Maples comes into the conversation. I said, you know, she's so pretty. I've never seen a good. And the guy jumps on it right away and he says, I tried to take pictures of her and I couldn't capture it. It was the most frustrating experience I've ever had as a photographer. Photographer. And so that was the. So she was of the one type only of. Of beauty. But there are some people that are all three, which is very rare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, what did you talk about with her?

[Adam Curry]

With Marla Maples?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I can't remember. It was just, you know, your two. Your jaw drops when you're just chatting with her. She was on the phone almost all the time. It was Adam. It was. This is. I'm. Now I'm. Sound like a douche. But it was that Bob, I think. What's his. How do you spe us his last name? The guy ran Guccioni.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guccioni.

[Adam Curry]

Guccioni. Guccioni's mansion was the biggest. It was as big it was. It was actually a whole flat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Let me. Let me just get this straight. You're doing a photo shoot for yourself at Bob Guccioni's mansion?

[Adam Curry]

I like the way you conflate these things. No, the photo shoot was like a year later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, okay, I see.

[Adam Curry]

I'm at Guccioni's mansion for some event because of something that was going on, and they had a big party there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Computer party, no doubt.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And she was there, and there's a bunch of these Guccioni people there. And the house was interesting. It was a big. It's a big. It's a townhouse. He had the whole townhouse. And it was supposedly the biggest one in Manhattan. Supposedly. And, yeah, very douchey. I don't know. I never went to Epstein's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hope not.

[Adam Curry]

I think between Guccioni.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, between Guccione and the Grove. What is it?

[Adam Curry]

Bohemian Grove. Yeah, I know. I'm suspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very suspect. I think we need to put pictures of you up on the wall and connect some yarn between them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yarn. That's what we need.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey. The artist for episode 1730, Pam Bondage was no one less than Darren O'Neill, who has just become a force to reckon with when it comes to prompt jockeying. Who needs talent when you can prompt jockey? We know Darren has no talent. That's what's so great about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he did this. And what was really nice about it, it was a little different. I mean, first of all, it was.

[Adam Curry]

It was a fabulous piece. Let's face it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was like a Movie poster in a postage stamp. Newsom's Inferno. And above it, it had no Agenda Studios. And then produced by Curry and Dvorak. I mean, yes, that is insight. He does have ideas. He's got ideas.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how that piece could even come. I mean, it's obviously AI. That's what he does now.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what he does. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how this piece could have possibly been generated by anything. It's so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe he'll tell us. Maybe he can let us know how he did it. He sent us the prompts before. I'd like to just take those prompts that he did and then try them in different AIs and let's see if it comes. Comes out. I mean, it's amazing. And. And the sad thing, of course, is he's. He's. He's usurping talented people.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's kicking their ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. Yes, it's sad. It's sad, but what are you gonna do? I mean, this is. It's like disco all over again, you know, when everyone came in.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm reminded of Martin JJ in the years past when he was dominating the art segment, the art charts, the charts. He was dominating for about, I don't know, two or three months. And he said, look, I'm dominating. It's ridiculous. I quit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Darren. Just saying.

[Adam Curry]

I don't want Darren to quit yet. But he's getting there.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is up there for sure. Let's see, there were some other things that we looked at. Some other. I kind of like the red note from Sir Suge. Better than Tik Tok. Try red note. But Tanta Neil had come in, which we're happy to see. It's a yes or no question. I take that as a no agenda. But it was just. I mean, it just couldn't compete. Scare a lot of Bondi bondage pics. Very funny. We don't typically put people on. On our art. People keep forgetting that that's. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not really a rule, but yeah, generally we don't do that. What else was there?

[Adam Curry]

Merle Haggard with a wig.

[John C. Dvorak]

It finally hit, huh?

[Adam Curry]

No, I got it the first time, but I'm just looking at this picture of her in the bondage outfit and it's like. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was interesting is there was a meta piece as Tantanille made a newspaper, no agenda newspaper. And in it she had Darren's image as newsprint in the Newspaper. Did you catch that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at. If you're looking at the art. Are you looking at the art page?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got the art page up. Which one is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's titled Too Soon. It's a newspaper and says Olympic fire arrives in la. And then you see Darren's Newsom's Inferno image on the front page of the paper. A very, very meta of her to the end.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm not finding it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, go to. You see Newsom's Inferno.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there it is. I see it too soon. Okay, let me look at it. Oh, that's interesting. That's very meta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's just too small. I mean that it just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, you can't see it. And it's also. It's kind of a boring composition. No offense. No offense.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Bo. No offense. And I saw that you used commissure bloggers, Looney Tunes with Biden for the newsletter.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, that was an interesting newsletter you put it. Yeah, a new feature to tell us about this new feature so people can subscribe to the newsletter.

[Adam Curry]

It's a point by point way of arguing some. Some situation that exists. So it tells you what you know. It's like the left says they have these standard things they keep saying and then somebody argues against it. No, nobody says anything correctly. And so this is a kind of. The idea is to create. About once a month they'll try to do this. A counterpoint or a counter punch, which is a. The call is the name of the article to some. Any point. I think maybe transsexuality or the gender.

[John C. Dvorak]

About this. I have a bonus clip. We try to do this now. Remember, this is the secret no Agenda donation club.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's interesting because after your bonus clip, I have a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is about the newsletter and specifically about the. You had a name for it. You had a catchy name.

[Adam Curry]

Counterpunch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Counterpunch.

[News Anchor]

A Wall Street Journal news report has put immigration advocates in Chicago on alert. If your family is picked up by ice, we will give you an appointment to sit down with an attorney or accredited representative in Chicago to be able to start your legal screening. Seeing what the options are for your family. State and local leaders joined them Saturday morning.

[Adam Curry]

We did anticipate that Chicago would be first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why? We were the first in the country.

[News Anchor]

To declare ourselves a sanctuary city. The Wall Street Journal's report says as early as next Tuesday, 100 to 200 ICE agents could be sent to the Windy City to begin a deportation operation. Those familiar with the plans told the Journal, the focus will be removing people who are here illegally with criminal backgrounds. That assertion is to broaden the idea that immigrants are more prone to criminality.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why we reject it. That's the big thing. That was your counterpunch.

[Adam Curry]

The perfect example. And in the newsletter, the counterpunch to that argument is outlined in great detail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Go look it up on the socials and every single Show Notes page. Even on noagendashow.net, you can find a place where you can subscribe to the newsletter. It's well worth it. It had actual content.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. It never helps.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't help. We didn't. Well, tell us about. So now we're going to move over to the treasure portion of our time.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before that, I do want to play a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bonus clip. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is an example of if you have your ducks in a row and you can make an argument, you can do a. Which is the counterpunch. Will have a discussion of that. But here's an example of Megan Kelly who turns out to be getting pretty good at these rants because she's fast, she's quick witted and she's got her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very, very, very popular rants from her.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And she's. And she nails it and she's short. Now this is a, this is a rant from Megyn Kelly on Jennifer Aniston. It's 55 seconds and that's Tina told.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me about this one.

[Adam Curry]

It's quite good. And it's. But think about how tight how tight this 55 second rant is. And try to be like this.

[News Anchor]

You just saw Jennifer Aniston tweeted out about JD Vance's childless cat lady comments. I don't know if she saw that. She came out and said, oh, I hope your daughter never needs ivf, which you will oppose. Lie. He doesn't oppose ivf. He signed on to the Ted Cruz Katie Britt bill protecting it in all 50 states. So she wanted to stand up for childless cat ladies because she's one of them. What she said about the women? What'd she say about the girl who got her face punched out by the man in the boxing ring? Zero. What has she said about Peyton McNabb who's suffering permanent nerve damage and brain damage from getting hit so hard in the face and the head by a volleyball player in North Carolina? Nothing. What she say about that girl who got all of her teeth knocked out in a field hockey game by a boy pretending to be a girl on her team? Zero.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't give a shit what.

[News Anchor]

She thinks about Shady Vance and childless cat ladies. She masquerades as some protector of women. She's quite the contrary. She's never stood up on any of these issues. This is the one she comes out on. You don't want childless cat ladies to be offended. That's where you're going to plant your flag.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem is that, you know, teachers. Tina's a big fan of the Megyn Kelly show, but she doesn't really watch the whole show anymore. This stuff gets chopped up. It gets posted on. She's an Instagrammer. It gets posted on Instagram. And so she just looks for the clips and she'll play five to 15 minutes. She never really gets the whole show. And I think Megyn Kelly does a disservice by doing that. I mean, it's clearly her team that is doing that. And her rants are perfect. In fact, she should be trending on TikTok. It's perfect for TikTok.

[Adam Curry]

It's very TikToky.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's extremely tiktoky.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I have some good TikTok material coming up after the break.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are very excited. First, we will thank our executive and associate executive producers. As every single show. Part of the feedback loop of Value for Value is we thank everybody who supported us financially. $50 and above. As a special Hollywood insertion, we like to thank our executive and associate executive producers. And we don't just call them. It's also a credit you get on the show notes for each individual episode. And these are very real credits, just like Hollywood. You can use them anywhere that Hollywood would recognize them, including IMDb $200 and above. You get an associate executive producer credit and we read your note. $300 and above. You get an executive producer credit and we read your note. Now, do you have the late breaking donation you wanted to talk about first?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the late breaking donation is 220. $22. And so when we get to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Then I will start with Zarin Denzel from Port Townsend, Washington. Huh? Isn't that up where you guys have a place?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Port Townsend is the cool town. It's a little antique town on the coast.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's cool. It's cool.

[Adam Curry]

It is. If you go to Port Townsend, it's like a tourist trap. It's really a pretty little town.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you got good people there because Zarin gives us a nice fat row of ducks. 22, 22, 22. Thank you. And says, thanks for keeping me sane through these crazy Times can't really imagine living without my no agenda. Itm from Zarin. That's a short note. Beautiful. Thank you. And clearly Zarin got some value from the show a lot and sent it back. And we appreciate you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is the kind of donations we should be getting from the intelligence community.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we don't know what Zarin does for a living, so we'll just keep that in the middle.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if he's in poor towns, seems unlikely, but you never know. Ty Glander's up next and he's also in Washington. He's in Kirkland. And we got a nasty note from somebody that works at Costco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Saying, you know, Kirkland was only the headquarters of Costco for a while way back before I was there and I've been there for 30 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I, I did. I was unaware.

[Adam Curry]

Issaquah. Issaquah is where head where it's headquartered. Issaquah, Washington, that's Costco. So we got to know the guy was very informative about all kinds of Costco inside the information.

[John C. Dvorak]

And did we learn about the hot dogs? Are they skimping on the bags? Are he skimping on the drinks? Did we get any information on that?

[Adam Curry]

He says that they have the hot dog thing is a problem with the company because they've had to. They used to be made. They had. Used to have a polygon polish and a hot dog and they used to be made by. I think it's Nathan's and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it was the Nathan's. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then there was a kosher.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kosher version.

[Adam Curry]

Some other. Yeah, but made by a different company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made by Oy Nathans.

[Adam Curry]

Oy Nathan's. No, there's some other company. Hebrew. Hebrew National Franks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

So there was the two and they said, oh, they were going broke so they decided they're Costco. The Costco hot dogs are Kirk currently made by Costco.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were going broke.

[Adam Curry]

They were losing money on the hot dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, sure. They're eating the dogs. We're losing money.

[Adam Curry]

They're eating the dogs. So they said that would have been perfect for the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So they've making their own hot dogs now. And they. And somebody bishop about the buns being smaller. I didn't notice that was me.

[John C. Dvorak]

That somebody was me. I noticed it.

[Adam Curry]

And he said that they don't have the. After Covid they dropped the onions and sauerkraut because of COVID Covid. And so they stayed away from it because as you know, it's Cost Money. Yeah. So they.

[John C. Dvorak]

They took advantage of the situation.

[Adam Curry]

They took advantage of the situation. But this guy's an insider at Costco. So we have Costco questions. We can find out the answers.

[John C. Dvorak]

When is the. When is the cheap wine coming back? Give us a heads up.

[Adam Curry]

He said the. The reason for the chicken change because they used to be in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another show titled Chicken Change. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Chicken is in a bag now, which is regretful. And he. And he. Everyone at the company knows it too. It's all for environmental reasons, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Washington, all that plastic Washingtonians. There you go. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, so we got Ty Glander here and he's in Kirkland, Washington, the former home of Costco 63161. And he says to correct the record and get knighted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Libra's birthday gift was to drive traffic to the best metal show in the value for value value universe. That's sirlibra.com lightning-thrashes yes, I'll put a link in there. I think we can. I would like to be knighted as Sir Imp. Perfect Imperfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. All right, you got it. We'll see you in a bit. Ty Skylar Firestone. There's a DJ name I've ever heard one.

[Adam Curry]

Hello everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Skyler Firestone with you rocking and rolling from Liberty Hill, Texas, 34569 itm. Great show. Your deconstruction is top Keck and Skibidi Riz. As the kids would say. Hey, you see how that rolled off my tongue?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shout out to my smoking hot wife Michelle. We'll need a deduching.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also need a.

[Adam Curry]

That's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yak karma. And the longest Al Sharpton you got. Well, I don't know about. Why don't we play that? Let's play that. I like that. Climate change Al Sharpton. We'll play that one again for you. That was kind of. We haven't heard it enough, so it's kind of funny. Go team, Go sports.

[Adam Curry]

That's true. Firefighters have been making progress in containing the raging. The raging Palisades and Eden fires. The devastation now ranks among the worst in California history. Meanwhile, the World Meteorology Meteorological foundation said Friday that 2024 was the hottest year on record. 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre industrial levels, bringing the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge made by global leaders under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement.

[News Anchor]

You've.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Al Harma.

[John C. Dvorak]

The gift that keeps on giving.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. MSNBC's headliner Sir Nick in Tucker, Georgia comes in with 3, 3, 3, 3, 3. I'll be as brief as I can. He writes as all we have, as we all have lives to live. I donate for many reasons, mostly because the show is more than often correct or on the right track. Adam once was pro xrp.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was never pro xrp. That's not true.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know what that means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's a crypto. Crypto coin.

[Adam Curry]

He seems now to be lukewarm. I'm here waving the flag again. Bitcoin is pathetically slow. Ethereum was given a free pass by the sec, even though the transactions are very expensive. XRP was created to interface with the Swift banking system at almost zero cost. Hindsight is 20 20. XRP has tripled in the six months because Gary Gensler lost his lawsuit. It hasn't happened since the inbred insider losers at the SEC lost their two year long battle to try and squash Ripple. Then in all caps, if the federal government can't stop it, why aren't you buying it? It's the only cryptocurrency with a green light. No jingles. Give me karma and the rest of the slaves. Or with the rest of the slaves. Sir Nick Knight of Abundance. He gave us $300. You must be doing well.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm.

[Adam Curry]

I'm all for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, ripple is down 5% today, but. Okay, good to go.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

I always thought it was a wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was a wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Sir Kevin Dill's, Huntersville, N.C. 3, 3, 3.

[Adam Curry]

We haven't heard from him for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, he has complaints. Adam, your chump. Your chump chomping your teeth, huh? Please send me a time code if I'm.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm the one that catches this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, I can't even chomp. Sometimes I notice this, but I don't think I've heard that on the show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, since I'm listening on speakers, it's possible I'm missing the subtlety of the chomping of the teeth.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says it breaks through the noise gate. It's distracting. Please stop. Also, please use your cough button. That's John, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, you don't. You cough a lot on the show and you don't. You. And you have a cough button and I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, get a cough button.

[Adam Curry]

No, I just use the mute.

[John C. Dvorak]

You blow your nose. You're sneezing.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes you blow the nose for effect. I mean, I. I mean, it's a good you yakking away on something and a nose blow right in the middle of it's perfect for effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm sorry, I use my cough button a lot when I cough. Believe me, the times that I don't use it is rare. But I shall pay attention and please send me a time code for the so called teeth chomping. I mean they are new, so who knows. You're hurting my earballs. You're hurting the show. Got that, got my attention when you said that. Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina. Thank you brother. I will pay attention. Send me a time code, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Sir Jim James in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 33333. He writes switcheroo. This donation is to the marriage of Gavin and Caitlyn McMahon. This isn't the vinyl you asked for, but it's an executive producer ship to your marriage instead. Vinyl. I wonder what that means. May God bless your union and may the love you have for each other today persevere until the end. Just some newlywed karma for the new couple. Goat karma works for me. Me.

[News Anchor]

Thanks, you've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go to Pahrump. Pahrump, Nevada. Pahrump. Dame Sancat is in Pahrump and says with her $333.33 donation. Any Rev Al, please. I'm glad you asked.

[Adam Curry]

Los Angeles county has declared a public health emergency due to the air quality officials want. The biggest threats are smoke and particular matters which they say may cause long term health effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Particular matters. Thank you, Ravel.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so now we're the associate executive producer level. And so I had to bring in the bonus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bonus donation. Okay, this must be something back and forth, back and.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it came in.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the rule? Tell people the rule first.

[Adam Curry]

The rule is the rule. The rule is you gotta get your donation in by midnight Pacific time, not while the show is being produced. So this came in at seven in the morning because somebody rolled out of bed and said, yeah, I haven't donated for a while. Yeah, and so I think I'll donate. And so we went back and forth. I said, yeah, it's too late. That's money. You rule follower.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're a rule follower.

[Adam Curry]

So this is Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Oh, you're sucking up. Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

Rocks. 220. Yeah. I knew you'd be.

[John C. Dvorak]

He gets special treatment because he's Hollywood.

[Adam Curry]

I gave him grief for this because it's like, you know, you're Holly and he's like you. He's, he's anal. He's like a neat freak. And he's a guy would go, ah, he's a rules you rules. He goes on. But anyway, so he has this note which I thought would be worth reading.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I can just say, for those who are new to the show, Dana Brunetti, producer of such fine entertainment as 50 Shades of Gray, 50 Shades of Grayer and more grayer than 50 Shades, House of Cards, Gran Turismo, and many, many more fine entertainment products.

[Adam Curry]

He's an entertainment product guy who's retired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

That's what I say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure.

[Adam Curry]

He seriously. So he writes a note. He wanted this note read, I think, more than anything. Here's the note we need to discuss. Tip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, and he's making waves. Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

It's gone from TEMU to How to look people up online. Very dangerous. Dangerous and addictive. We don't want it ending up banned in the US like TikTok. Get it together, J.C. then he says, this donation is a switcheroo. And the secretary slash. The secretary slash associate producer credit.

[John C. Dvorak]

He can't stand that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's got a beef about this. About the credit itself, himself as a. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, give us 10, Grace.

[Adam Curry]

The richest man, my best buddy, and Adam's favorite agent provocateur, Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Adam Curry]

Signed the governor of El Dorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, perhaps the governor should look at Elon Musk being outed as a phony expert gamer, which is all the rage now. Everyone's talking about it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I don't know anything about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he. I think it was on Rogan, and he said. And he was showing this video of how he was at gaming. Turns out he has some Chinese guy doing it for him.

[Adam Curry]

And he's a Chinese guy doing his tweets, too. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, for sure he's got writers. I mean, does he even do anything?

[Adam Curry]

He does anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, well, we will alert Elon of this switcheroo. So do I just put Elon Musk in the credits?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I put Elon Musk in the credits.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the. It was 222 was what it was.

[Adam Curry]

It was a row of ducks as the small row of ducks. Elon Musk, the associate producer length row of ducks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk is. And Elon Musk, coincidentally, from Austin, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in Austin, Texas?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he lives in Austin.

[Adam Curry]

I thought he moved to the coast so he'd be near his launch.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're just going to call it Austin. We're just Calling it Austin. All right, very good. Then I'll do Kurt, who also is in Austin. Now, Kurt should have gone first because he has 263 22, but oh, no. Breaks on for Dana Brunetti, the big Hollywood star. Kurt K. Of Austin, Texas. My last name is Produced, pronounced Produced is Kiefer, which you probably just mispronounced again, though I can read ahead. It's pronounced Kiefer, not Keifer. Yeah, all caps here. Moving right along, I decided to replace my very old WBEZ NPR coffee mug from my previous life in Chicago with a spiffy New no Agenda 15 ounce mug from NoagenDashop.com why? Because NPR sucks. I can't believe I contributed to the wackadoodles over at America's Treasure. That's our national treasure for so many years. All my money now goes to you guys. John, it's paying off. It's paying off. Once again, a big thanks to my Austin native, free thinking, brilliant, drop dead gorgeous wife Beth for turning me on to no Agenda continued jobs Karma for my dear sister Carrie. Love you guys. The producers and boobs. All the best, Kurt. Oh, thank you, Kurt.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for Jobs. I think that makes us assume that Beth has nice boobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it sounds like it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Eli the coffee guy's up. He's in Bensonville, Illinois. $201.19. And he said, says, well, that was an interesting four years. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the next four years will bring. Then he goes on to say, I do believe centuries from now, historians will say the mid-2020s was the golden era for the best podcast in the universe. I'd say probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

What a time to be alive. I'm just glad to be along for the ride. Caffeinated and motivated jingles.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love caffeinated Motivated. We've got an attitude for gratitude. Yeah, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Jingles trump jobs and four more years. And for producers who are excited for what this future holds, visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20 and you'll have some great tasting coffee in your future. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy. Four more years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs. Oh, that fits.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

That actually sounds really good. I'd never considered that those two together.

[Adam Curry]

Four more years. Jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait.

[Adam Curry]

Four more years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Job.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a great fit.

[Adam Curry]

Not bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good fit. Thanks, Eli. And curiously, also requesting Trump jobs Karma is Linda loopatkin from Lakewood, Colorado with $200 who doesn't know her jobs. Karma trump version. And for a resume that gets results, visit ImageMakers Inc.com your go to for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's imagemaker Inc. Ink with a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. Jobs, jobs.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Wrapping things up is Darren Kirby in Portland, Oregon. Portland, huh? Hello, John and Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks. From Darren Kirby at Dimlin's Lamp Lamp lighter and keeper of the scrolls. First time donor. I invite no agenda listeners everywhere to advertise a business card affordably on scrolls.com. that's S, C, R, O, L, Z. That's with one L followed by a Z. Yeah, I figured that if on the throne for relief from boredom and grief, you will be amused to find fun, fast and entertaining tidbits on scrolls. Please at least some karma and maybe chimes or bells. Respectfully, Darren Kirby in Portland.

[News Anchor]

You'Ve got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody loves that chime. Do you still have that thing? You have it laying around. What was that thing called?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the little.

[John C. Dvorak]

We both had one of those. It was very annoying. It made dogs bark. Babies cry, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, I do. It's right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do. You are the. You are the true archivist. You actually should be holding on to the 28th Amendment. No, no, no, no. It's. It's the piece of metal you strike. No, that's not it. That's not it.

[Adam Curry]

That's the chime.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're talking about the zenergy chime. The zenergy.

[Adam Curry]

You're talking about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Thank you all very much. Executive and associate executive prod. Again, these credits are completely real. You can use them anywhere. Show business people hang out. Go to Danny Brunetti, go up to his ranch and say, excuse me, I'm executive producer. You're a lowly secretary. Associate executive producer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funny, I didn't mention. I should mention. I'll tell you where he lives. He's in bumfuck shingles and he's the governor, apparently.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be thanking everybody $50 and above in a few minutes. Remember, we do have John's tip of the Day coming up, created by Danny Brunetti. And we have. I think we have some talk clips coming. So once again, thank you all for supporting us with your time, your talents, and your treasure.

[News Anchor]

Our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Four.

[News Anchor]

Four years. Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

All Right. You're up. I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Tick Tock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tick Tock.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so this, this will be the last of the Delulu clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

You must be very happy that Tick Tock is back on the air.

[Adam Curry]

I don't really care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what else are you gonna do with your time? What are you Gonna Doom Scroll LinkedIn?

[Adam Curry]

See, I don't use, I use the online app. It's on an app. It's a website.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, you and Sotomayor. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Remember, I don't even do that. I let other people clear these clips. I don't even really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just so you know, just so you know, the website is stealing your contact list.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I bet it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I heard it.

[Adam Curry]

So let's, let's start with the great. This, this funny looking guy that comes on and he's been talking about Trump being arrested. Unfortunately, he went on and on. So there's a two parter, but this is the Delulu talk. Dulcie, Lulu, dude won.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is not going to be sworn in and he will not be our next president. How I know that for certain comes from the knowledge, some information I found out last night that I didn't know. You know, we all know that when Biden was sworn in, the one person not present at his inauguration was who? Donald Trump. He lacked the character to be there, to share in another man's joy, to have character, to say, you know, I didn't win the election, you did. But here's a guy that's been given everything on a silver platter his whole life. He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. He couldn't be at Joe Biden's inauguration. So what I found out last night, you know, I'm thinking, when is Donald Trump going to be arrested? And now I know that he's going to be arrested at his inauguration because there's going to be three people not present there. Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and their wives will not be present at Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday. They will not be there. Not just because they know that he's an, they don't want to be near him or around him, but because it's a security risk. It's a security risk that they don't want our presidents to be subject to the inauguration. The steps that have been taking taken 30 miles of high quality, well built fencing. This is very difficult to negotiate. It's not easy to get over 30 miles of that cement blocks and 25,000 law enforcement officers. Those things are in place to quelch a Second insurrection. Because the powers that be know that the prosecution, boys and girls there that were. That are invited into Washington, D.C. this Sunday to celebrate Donald Trump's victory. That's why you invited them in on Sunday, so they can celebrate. He knows that they're there to come to his back because he knows something's out to have his back on Monday. The systems are in place. They can't have his back. You know what these guys are missing or what they miss, because this is obviously is going to be the last delulus. We have quantum dots, but they need a cue. They need their version of Q, like Zed. Zed says, you know, they need. They needed a guy.

[Adam Curry]

You're right. There is a missing element here. We're, We're. We're left hanging by. He had this information. It was provided by who, by what? Anyway, he wraps up really, with a short. I had to put this in. There's a rest of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can attempt to have his back, but they'll be arrested and put down. So there you go. This is probably one of my most meaningful videos, one of my reaching out to you. Hopefully it'll be one of my shortest. I'm learning to curb it. I'm going to be better. I'll be better at providing information and not going on so long.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

The 15th, the hearing on election interference. The next day. Yesterday, Joe Biden signs an addendum to an executive order, 13694, making it a crime to undermine the election process, which Donald Trump's guilty of. That's the final piece of the puzzle done. They had to wait this long. And everybody's like, why couldn't they've done it weeks ago? They couldn't. Kamala had to certify the ballots so that no Republican attorneys can raise their freaking ugly heads and question anything. It's a lockdown. It's locked. All the. Everything has been done legally. Donald Trump was never going to take office. Yeah. Oh, boy. What are they going to do with these people?

[Adam Curry]

I like to know because I got two more of these. These people. Okay, I got this one. Here is my favorite of the group. This is. They got him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Adam Curry]

They got him.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got him. They got him. They got him. They got him.

[News Anchor]

They got him.

[Adam Curry]

They got him.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got him.

[News Anchor]

And in the event that this really is like the end of Tick Tock in America, which I still don't fully believe, but, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna say it. They got him. The three letter agencies, the government, whoever, whatever you want to Say they got him. He's not going to be inaugurated.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is going to be punished for.

[News Anchor]

His crimes, both proven and still in the works. But, yeah, I don't think he's going to take office. And even if you know, who we want to take office doesn't, honestly, like, as long as it's not him, that's fine with me. Although I do hope to God that it doesn't, you know, turn out to be a process where it's JD Or Little Johnson, because that's, that's not much better. But, yeah, I mean, we heard that his inauguration was moved inside because of security and not because of weather like you said. So I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

All nice fade out on the music.

[News Anchor]

So I saw a bunch of pictures this morning that NYPD is there. I don't know if that's like the norm or a regular thing, just to have extra, you know, protection there or whatever, but NYPD is there lining the street. Something's gonna happen. He's not gonna make it with some like Gia Prism even predicting that there's gonna be like a great switch. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. But like I was saying, if this.

[Adam Curry]

Is the last app, the last day of this app.

[John C. Dvorak]

Excuse me, sorry.

[News Anchor]

If this is the last day of this, this app, then like, they, they got him. Even if we don't see the takedown on Tick Tock, like we want to see it, or even if we do, you know, even if we do, that would be great. But it's. Rest assured it'll be okay and we're good. They got him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now I understand why the troll room continuously says it's all fake and gay.

[Adam Curry]

Dude, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you had something to say about my surprise Supreme Court clips.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have. And then we have let that slide. And then we have the talk reason Trump going inside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because he's done. They got him. It's all over. He's getting arrested.

[Adam Curry]

Arrest him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Camel is going to be president.

[News Anchor]

So you may have heard that the Trump team is moving their inauguration ceremony from outside to inside in the rotunda. And they are saying is because of frigid temps, but it's actually because they are expecting some of the lowest turnouts ever for an inauguration. And I know this very well from working with campaigns. If you know you're going to be short people, you move to a smaller space, move everybody to the front, take the pictures from the back, and that's what they're going to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, brother, no one was going to. Well, it's going to be 12 degrees. Yeah. I mean, but people were still going to show up, probably.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that it? Does that conclude our.

[Adam Curry]

I think of the Trump stuff. Yeah. There's one other clip which has got nothing to do with it. And it'll be. It'll be used as appropriate.

[John C. Dvorak]

We put it in abeyance for now. Yes, in abeyance.

[Adam Curry]

Now I got the free speech clips out of the uk, which are interesting. The UK is a very interesting study from the perspective of free speech, because George Orwell. There isn't any. What has been going on there has been kind of a shocker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I have to. I gotta call my buddy Michelle. Is this about the pubs? Is that what this is?

[Adam Curry]

No, this is not about the pubs. This is about the whole problem with the universities. This is what. They're making a big fuss at some of the universities because they've decided that free speech is a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me just read you the headline. Labor's Pub Band Banter Crackdown Landlords could be.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, I heard. I don't have a clip on. This is a great. How is this even. This is beyond me. What's going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Landlords could ban drinkers from talking about controversial topics that bar workers think are offensive. So a landlord can kick you out if. If you. If you're running a bar on their property. I guess this is why I have to call Michelle, because he knows this stuff. It's like, yeah, there is no free speech in the uk. None, zero, zip, nada. Why? I wonder why, Scott, how Scott Galloway is doing. He bought a house there. He moved to London so he could talk about football.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Free speech in UK universities.

[News Anchor]

Britain will enact free speech legislation for universities amid mounting calls from leading academics, but only partially. The British government is seeking to repeal some provisions of the incoming law which it deems burdensome. NTD's international correspondent Malcolm Hudson has more on this from London. Free speech in UK universities is now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Set to be better secured with a.

[News Anchor]

Law aiming to protect students and teachers.

[John C. Dvorak]

From cancel culture, though the British government is currently implementing only parts of the law after previously pausing the full version.

[News Anchor]

And this after continued and mounting pressure from academics and free speech advocates who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wanted the law enacted. Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson paused the Higher Education Freedom of Speech act just before it was due to take effect last.

[News Anchor]

August due to concerns that the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was burdensome while not addressing hate speech speech on campuses. However, almost 700 academics, including several Nobel Prize winners, called on Philipson to implement the law to protect free speech. On Wednesday, Philipson confirmed key provisions will be brought into force.

[News Anchor]

The ability of our academics to explore and express new ideas through teaching and research is precious and we must protect it. These fundamental freedoms are more important, much more important, from the wishes of some students not to be offended.

[John C. Dvorak]

She said Universities are not a place for students to shut down any view with which they disagree. Provisions to enact the higher education regulator, the Office for Students, will have the power to investigate complaints over breaches of free speech, as well as the power to issue fines for breaches. The act will also require all universities to have robust codes of conduct to ensure the protection of free speech.

[News Anchor]

Universities that break the rules will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Publicly held to account and could end up paying compensation, fines or even be suspended. Just one of the many reasons we left you guys. You're crazy.

[Adam Curry]

You're totally crazy. This all seems to be about just banning the term Paki.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the whole thing is crazy there. And they, you know, they don't want. They're like the Australian guy who doesn't wants to. He wants to make mean illegal. So now Elmer Fudd.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do not have any version of a First Amendment. They have the Magna Carta, which I think says something maybe about religious freedom, possibly, but this is. Wow, this is a problem. Where's the revolt? Britain.

[Adam Curry]

It's beyond me, but here's the second part of this series.

[John C. Dvorak]

Philipson is seeking to repeal other parts of the legislation.

[News Anchor]

The first is the duties on student unions. In the act, students unions are neither equipped nor funded to navigate such a complex regulatory environment.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's also seeking repeal of another provision, one which would allow individuals to sue institutions that failed to comply with freedom of speech requirements.

[News Anchor]

She said this would create costly litigation that. That risks diverting resources away from students at a time when university finances are already strained. The Department for Education also said overseas transparency provisions in the act will be kept under review. These provisions were meant to prevent anonymous donations to universities amid concerns about foreign interference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Responding to Philipson, Shadow Education Secretary Laura Trott asked what changes to the overseas funding provision are being considered.

[News Anchor]

Can she confirm that none of these were discussed in the Chancellor's recent visit to China? And can she confirm that there were no deals done to amend this clause?

[John C. Dvorak]

Philipson did not respond to this question at the time. Where's Nigel Farage? Where are these people with that? Where's the outrage? There's none. There's none. There's no outrage. I don't. At least I don't not that, that I can see.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't seen any.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very peculiar.

[Adam Curry]

In fact I remember we didn't talk about it but there was a Starmer who's really freaked out about the fact that Trump's henchman Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hatchet man. Hatchet man?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, hatchet man. I'm sorry, you're right. Is going after him for being a pedophile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not for being a pedophile, for protecting the pedophile rapists.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, but he's and Starmer made some comment about, you know, they're going to ask for the extradition of American citizens who, who get involved in British politics and make commentary of some sort that's against their laws. Which means. Musk. Yeah, I don't know what, what, what they're going to do. This is just crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, did you see the, the news about Darren Bell, the prize winning cartoonist?

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's done, he's done some really odd groomer like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I had, there was a, a meme about it which was I was going to use, I'll probably put it in the next newsletter. It's quite funny. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, he was a nasty editorial cartoonist.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know that he is. He's been arrested on it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I said he's a nasty, nasty editorial cartoonist. He was me a mean spirited nasty editorial cartoonist that used to give Trump grief for one thing or another, especially his, you know, his supposed, you know, assault on that crazy woman in bloom. In bloom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bergdorf.

[Adam Curry]

Bergdorf, yeah. Like there's nobody around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In Bergdorf. And so he's that guy. And then the next thing you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was accused of being uploading child pornography. Oh man, what a scourge. What a scourge. Yeah, alleged scourge. Well, speaking of Elon. Elon. It's amazing what kind of press the guy can get tonight.

[Adam Curry]

These spectacular images of debris ablaze in the sky high above the Caribbean. The SpaceX Starship breaking apart and crashing back down to Earth. The FAA now requiring SpaceX launch an investigation into the mid flight failure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Space vehicle mishap.

[News Anchor]

A debris response area is inactivated.

[Adam Curry]

The incident forced flight delays and diversions around Florida. Some pilots concerned midair.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got a major streak going from at least 60 miles with all these different colors. Just curious, it was looked like it was coming towards us.

[Adam Curry]

This was the seventh test launch of the rocket. The reusable booster successfully hauled in by the so called chopsticks of Mechazilla.

[News Anchor]

Mechzilla has caught the booster.

[Adam Curry]

SpaceX lost communications with the ship just minutes later. Whoa. Companies saying they believe a fire caused.

[News Anchor]

It to break apart.

[Adam Curry]

SpaceX is asking anyone who finds debris to report it to them. And the star starship will be grounded until SpaceX and the FAA completes this investigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. I love it. Was this the moon launch? Was this the one that was supposed to go to the moon?

[Adam Curry]

I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forget the Van Allen belts. You can't even get above the clouds. But hey, man. Hey, man. It's really awesome how the booster gets caught by Mechazilla.

[Adam Curry]

Mom.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's really awesome. It's really fantastic. That's real awesome. Okay. Get me to the moon. We did it 60 years ago in some rickety piece of aluminum. You know. You know me, John.

[Adam Curry]

You're the. At least you're consistent.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am very consistent.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[News Anchor]

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody is very nervous about the tip of the day because now that the creator himself, Dana Brunetti. Dana Brunetti has showed up on the scene and is making waves, we're very curious. Everyone loved the. The dash cam one. I saw people posting pictures of it and links to it, and everyone's like.

[Adam Curry]

It'S a huge hit.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, you got free. You got a. Some free gear out of it. Which reminds me, because we're going to thank everybody. $50 and above. I want to thank Sean Homan in Noblesville, Indiana, who comes in with 148.48, which he says was the show 1730 donation. I guess that was. What was the number for show 1730? It wasn't148.48. That must be with fees. Well, it's his first donation and a switcheroo for his wife. They just had the fourth human resource. It was their first boy, finally. And then he says, everyone go to stealtharms.net and the reason why I say that is because, you know, you got yourself a dash cam. He sent me a platypus.

[Adam Curry]

A what?

[John C. Dvorak]

A platypus. You don't know. You don't know about the platypus?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know anything about what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the platypus. That's. That is the hottest handgun gun going on these days. The platypus.

[Adam Curry]

It's a pla. It's called a. You. You're shooting a gun called a platypus.

[John C. Dvorak]

It actually looks a bit Like a platypus with a big.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, was just spray bullets every which way or what to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Got a big bill on the end, kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got to go pick it up. I'll pick it up tomorrow. I'll let you know. So anyway, that's it. You can continue.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what was I doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to pick it up with Sir Stewart in Staffordshire.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oh, you. Oh, I'm sorry. You got me all confused.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm sorry about that.

[Adam Curry]

Sean Homan was the first. He's in Noblesville. Okay. You read that for some reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I did, because he gave me a platypus.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't get a platypus.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got a dash cam.

[Adam Curry]

Platypus is more interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, you got to talk to Sean.

[Adam Curry]

Got gypped.

[John C. Dvorak]

You sure did. You got jipped. That is as bad as saying Paki. My friend, you can't say gypped anymore. Surely you know. You know this? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Why can't I say jib? What? What's. What's the. What is the reason?

[John C. Dvorak]

It hurts gypsies feelings.

[Adam Curry]

I. You know, curiously, I had one gypsy who told me that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and did he beat you up?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he pickpocketed you? Did he read your fortune? Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Onward Sir Stewart and Stafford, Stafford. These are the donations of pickpocketed me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're bad.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Stewart in Stafford, Staffordshire, UK. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 3, 3. David, David. David Barron. I think he's by now Gladstone, Missouri. David Fugazotto in 1, 2, 4, 3, 3.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Dame roundstone in Trumbull, Connecticut. 1-2-4-3 3. These are all the donations for the inauguration. 12025, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plus the interesting how the fees bring it to a 33 magic number every. Everywhere. It's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I found that to be peculiar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indeed.

[Adam Curry]

James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake, Colorado. I'm just going to read the. All these, all these, these are all donations. And for the Trump coronation. Marianne. Del. James Fitzgerald's in Palmer Lake, Connecticut, Colorado. I'll get it. Marianne Delphia. Delphia in Garrettsville, Ohio. Michael Kellner in Ripley, California. Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Nathan. It's your mercy me boys.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, that's right. I need to see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you do, desperately. You need it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But next time you're out here or just come by, we'll go have dinner with the band.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can hang out with the band at dinner.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Have dinner with the band. Band.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The band.

[Adam Curry]

Bring him over. Yeah. Dame Mel Mal. Malation. Melation malation. Colorado Springs, 1 2025. John Wynn in Austin, Texas. Also, these are all 1 2025s. This is a good. This worked out. Aaron Mullet. As in Mullet in Goshen, Indiana. Sir Richard Hufford.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says please deduce the newsletter works. I think we should at least do that. Since he complimented you on the newsletter.

[Adam Curry]

You'Ve been de douched. He did. That was a good newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. I liked it.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Richard Hufford in Tempe, Arizona. Sir Digy in Indianapolis, Indiana. In. And last on our little list is Stephen Carr in Miami Springs. I didn't even know there was a Miami Springs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apparently.

[Adam Curry]

Florida. All right. Onward with Kevin McLaughlin. Conquer North Carolina. He's the Archduke of Luna. Lover of America and boobs. 8008. Stephen Cole. Gazier. Gazier. Gazier. It's probably what it is in Fernandina Beach. Fernandina Beach, Florida. A lot of beaches in Florida, I might add. 75. This is fourth donation. Okay. Sir Selverin in Silver Springs, Maryland. 6767. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago. 6006. Sir Don, 6006. Love is lit. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6006. That's small boob, fans. Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire. 5933. Dean Roker, 5510. Aaron Chamber Chamberlain in Dayton, Ohio. 5510. It's on the birthday list. Turning 37. Sir D in Miami, Florida. 5510. Marius of I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marius.

[Adam Curry]

Marius U. Nigel in Oslo, Norville, Norway. He wants a de douche. You've been de douched. Adam will give you some house buying karma at the end, baby. Oh, you could put put baby making karma on that list at the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he needs. I'm assuming it's a he, Sir. Tommy Hawk in Iowa City, Iowa. 50. 50, sir economic hitman in Tumble, Texas 50.01. And now we got the $50 donors name and location as appropriate. Anchie Jaeger in Barn, Netherlands. Luke olson in Alexandria, Virginia. That's our spook area. And that's all the $50. No offense, Luke. Corey Bennett in Denver, Colorado. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. Diane Schwanebach. Parts unloan. She's got a happy birthday coming up. Andrew Gooseick. Sir Andrew in Greensboro, North Carolina. 50. Bart in Dordrecht.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dordrecht.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You got pretty close, Holland. And it's a note of some Sort. Is this because of a knighting? I can't tell. It's all in.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's not. He just. He says go. Jesus.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Well, I guess that's. Yeah. Sir Cannabeak and Dame Tracy Canebrake. Canebrake and. And dam. Dame tracy together in St. George, Louisiana. Leon Shipley in Covington, Washington. Sir Jerry Wingenroth in Saugus, usually last on the list, but no, there's Baroness Knight in Edmonds, Washington. And last on the list is actually Alan Bean, our buddy Baron Alan Bean in Beaverton, Oregon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, who was our dentist up in the Pacific Northwest?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the dentist that is. That's Knight Burch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, right. Yeah. I got someone who has a dental question for him. I want to forward it to him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Greg Burch seems to be overboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, then that won't help, will it? Yeah, well, thank you all very much. $50 and above. Under 50 we do not mention for reasons of anonymity, but we always appreciate it when you do one of those sustaining donations, which means any amount, any frequency. Go to no agenda donations.com to set that up. And I'm going to do a combo baby jobs and house selling.

[Adam Curry]

Karma, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. No agenda donations dot com. Everybody help us out. Hogan says happy birthday to his mom, Erica Kuchikuchi, celebrating today. Happy birthday, mom Erica. Dave Bazar wishes his son Caleb Bazor a Happy one. Turns 21 today. Dave Mellovation turns 61 tomorrow. Aaron Chamberlain turns 37 tomorrow. And TPC says happy birthday to Tony. And we say that as well. Happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We do have one knighting to. To celebrate here, so get our one knighting blade out.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it comes from under the rubble. There it is. Hey, Ty Glander, step up in the podium. You are about to become a knight of the no agenda round table. In fact, because of your contribution, the amount of $1,000 or more, you qualify. I'm very proud to pronounce the as sir imperfect. That's right, sir imperfect. For you we have hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay, prostitutes and cigars. Along with that, harlots and aldol redheads and ryes, beers and blunts. We've got cowgirls and coffee, coffin varnish, Rubin esque women, rose geysers and sake vodka, vanilla bong hid some bourbon, ginger ale and gerbils, mutton and meat. And as always, at every single round table. What everybody loves nut city is the mutton and mead. I screwed up. I gave you twice the amount of mutton and mead. Hope you don't mind. In the meantime, while you're munching on that mutton, sipping on that mead, go to noagendarings.com that's where everybody can take a look at those beautiful knight and dame rings. They are quite handsome and quite beautiful. And you sir, will use the handy ring sizing guide to give us your ring size and an address. Send it off to the address listed there and we'll get it to you as soon as possible. It is a signet ring so you can imprint your item hit him in the mouth credentials on your important correspondence with the wax that we supply. And as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity. Ty, welcome to the roundtable. No agenda meetups. That's where you bring your attitude of gratitude because connection is protection and These are your first responders in an emergency. You can all find NoaGenDameetups.com the listing of every single meetup that is planned and scheduled. They are all producer organized. We just love when people do this and we love the reports that you send and especially if they come from faraway lands such as Buenos Aires. Hola John and Adam. This is a meetup report from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Commodore Dalton S. Fisher here.

[News Anchor]

Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi Adam.

[News Anchor]

John in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello there Sierra.

[News Anchor]

It is Timotheo Grispo in flesh.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't know the show but we're gonna get him to listen to it anyway. There you go. There you go John. Buenos Aires. We can make a trip, do a remote.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we have some esky. Some people take us around, show us the sights.

[John C. Dvorak]

And some people are very smart when they title their their meetups after well known brands. This comes from Keene, New Hampshire. It is the toomanyeggs.com meetup.

[News Anchor]

This is Emily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Resist we much. John and Adam, how are you? You guys are great. We enjoy it. This is too many eggs meeting number nine and it's a pleasure to be here with you guys.

[News Anchor]

Moving along.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi John and Adam.

[News Anchor]

This is Bry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bri.

[News Anchor]

I like the show.

[Adam Curry]

Keep doing what you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good stuff. Itm gentlemen, this is crypto Duke.

[News Anchor]

I guess we had a lot of shy people which is why we have a big big gap. So that's, that's why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, thank you you again for the great show and we're having a great.

[News Anchor]

Time here at margaritas and Keen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Woohoo yes, indeed. And our final meetup report comes from Central Ohio.

[News Anchor]

Good evening, gentlemen. This is Wild Bill of Ohio. We are at Dempsey's for the Central Ohio meetup and we're playing Slappy Birds. Flappy bird, same thing.

[Adam Curry]

Itm Gentlemen, this is Sir Rod Knight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the Crocs and Socks hanging out with the Central Ohio meetup crew. Happy to have Sir PBR Street Gang and Dame Trinity here with us from Indiana. I'm gonna pass the phone. Thank you for your courage in the morning, Dame Trinity.

[News Anchor]

Have a great time at Dempsey's, Sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

PBR Street Grand.

[News Anchor]

Coming directly from Dempsey's downtown Columbus, having another great meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Dempsey.

[Adam Curry]

He does. No, hold it.

[News Anchor]

It's Sir Larry at Dempsey. These good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great meetup. Love having these folks.

[News Anchor]

Sir Leary here. Sorry about that delay there, but we've got real roses in the glasses here and it's really nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if you want to go join.

[News Anchor]

A meetup, we'll see you in February.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ciao in the morning, bag slappers. John, go back on who are these podcasts? Adam, you need to go on who are these podcasts? Join the Dabble verse. Guys. A reminder to get your servers on these meetup reports. We love hearing from them as well, and that's a good person to hit in the mouth. The no Agenda Mug Club media meetup is well underway as we speak in Blackfin Ameripub Ballantyne. That's in Charlotte, North Carolina. We have tomorrow. That'll be. Is tomorrow also President's Day? I think it is.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's Martin Luther King.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it Martin Luther King Day?

[Adam Curry]

It's a holiday. Yeah, you're. You won't get your mail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, I'm gonna miss my mail. What else is going on tomorrow? Oh yeah, that's right. The shrunken amygdala Inauguration Celebration. 7:00 at March 1st Brewing in Cincinnati, Ohio. And on Wednesday, the Outer Swamp Meetup in Java Nation, Rockville. Rockville, Maryland. There's many, many, many more fantastic meetups scheduled. And I do apologize to the Outer Swamp. Somehow they'd slip through the cracks. So make sure if you're in Rockville Mar or in Spookville Nation over there to go to Java Nation. 6:00 on Wednesday and as I said, many more, including Tokyo on January 25th. Tokyo, Japan. I'm sure there'll be some no agenda celebrities there. You can find every single meetup listed well into this year atnoagendameetups.com. go ahead. If you can't find one there, start one yourself. It's real easy, y'all.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

[News Anchor]

You wanna be where you won't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Triggered or hell to lame.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just like a party, only noisier. There you go. I think I brought some ISOs. This is. We're in the moment in the show. We like to play some fun little ditties that. Well, this is really the true meeting we have. The only meeting we have on the show is this and we do it in public. I have two ISOs. Do you have any ISOs?

[Adam Curry]

I have one, but I have to preface it with the clip from which I drew the ISO.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, let's do that first.

[Adam Curry]

So I have. So I'm listening to npr, no surprise. And there's these. And they're talking about this guy is this kind of low T guy. I mean, like, this is going to be my new term for the typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the day.

[Adam Curry]

The guys who talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, my name pr. And so these low T guys. So this guy's going on and on about this show on. On Apple called Severance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, I think I saw a couple episodes.

[Adam Curry]

It's very creepy. It's about a. It's about a company that shoots you in the head with a. They drill your brain and then pretty much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Makes it so you can. You don't remember anything you did at work because it's a spook operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you. Have you watched the new squid game?

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not gonna watch this neither. There's only so many hours in the day. I'm not watching squid anything. And I'm not gonna shoot a squid gun. So forget it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've forgotten.

[Adam Curry]

So this guy goes on, he's gonna bring these guys on, and it just goes right to the end where. When he brings these two people on. I know after. After listening to this intro to these two people, which I cut out to make my ISO, that I'm never going to watch this. This show Severance. But here, listen to this. Severance is now back for its highly anticipated second season on Apple tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plus.

[Adam Curry]

And for people like me who got obsessed with season one, the follow up season has a lot of questions to answer. It goes deeper into the shadowy corporation of Lumen, the life and death mysteries and the romance driving the plot. If you don't want the first season spoiled or to hear even mild hints about the second season, consider this your warning because we're about to get into it with some of the show's breakout stars, Tramell Tillman and Britt Lauer. Welcome to you both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for having us.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for having us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me guess what your ISO is. Thank you for having us.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for having us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, that's just so creepy. And that is kind of creepy. By the way, we finished Diplomat, the second season.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great.

[Adam Curry]

You liked it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I really did.

[Adam Curry]

Where was it. Where was it published?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was published. I think it's on Netflix. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi's got something on Netflix she's watching, too, that she's all raving about. Well, I'll have to check these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you gotta. You can't just leave us hanging like that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. Ask her again. As she says, I'm watching the show. You know? What show? Some show. It's, by the way, something you at you. I'm like the wine guy. Hey, I had a great bottle of wine. What was it called? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's not. Where is it published? It's. Where did it drop? All right, let's get.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not dropping nothing.

[News Anchor]

It's a smell that stays with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's kind of, I think, disparaging.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, how about this one then?

[Adam Curry]

Stay tuned.

[News Anchor]

Exclamation mark.

[John C. Dvorak]

I kind of like that.

[Adam Curry]

There's something so stupid about that one I hit. I think we have to go with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know why? You know what it is, is people who do tech voice to text. You have to. You have to talk like that. Stay tuned. Exclamation mark. So that the. So the. So the Siri picks it up and does the exclamation mark.

[Adam Curry]

Stay tuned.

[News Anchor]

Exclamation mark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's pretty good, right?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. All right, everybody. David Brunetti has created it, and John C. Dvorak delivers the tip of the day.

[News Anchor]

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this one actually came in from one of our producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stepped on his credit, by the way. Stepped on his credit.

[Adam Curry]

It comes in at the end again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Just saying.

[Adam Curry]

And by the end, stepping on credits isn't. Is not new to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I don't have.

[Adam Curry]

Had his credits removed and then put back. And then he sued the Producers Guild, then quit the Guild because he was. Or, you know, that's what I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't need any hassle from this guy. You know, he has your number, not mine. He has your number?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he calls and yells.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So this came in from one of our producers, Sir Bates, and he says, I heard the audible complaint on NAS 1730. Here's a tip. And this is good tip, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people gave me the this tip. A lot of people.

[Adam Curry]

This is a great tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I've been an Audible user since before Amazon, before the Amazon acquisition. And users can download files from your library. The downloadable use is the AAX extension, which is not usable outside of Audible. I use Open Audible, which you can get@open audible.com to convert from AAX to MP3 for my iPod or other MP3 player.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

You can also connect Open Audible to your Audible account to download your library directly. This is why you have the account. You download the library as a bunch of axs. You convert them directly to your local drive, and then you convert them to MP3s and they can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you can put them on tour and share with your friends.

[Adam Curry]

You can do anything you want. But this is a workaround for that complaint you had on the last show, which is you cancel your subscription for 10 minutes and all your audio books were gone. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It turns out there's a lot of different apps that do this, but the most frequently recommended one was indeed Open Audible. And I hope we're not violating some severe copyright issue by promoting this in your tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's getting dark.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does that mean?

[Adam Curry]

The tips are getting darker. We got ways of violating privacy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And your picture of the house, that thing was that. You know, people have sent me so many extra sites that also have. Have this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's information. It's called the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but yet the Supreme Court can oodle on forever about Tik Tok. How about getting.

[Adam Curry]

While this is going on, let's get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rid of these websites first. There it is, everybody. John C. Dvorak's Tip of the Day, created by Dana Brunetti. And somebody Times Adam, created by Dana Bernetti. There you go. See, I leave the credits in. I don't, I don't want any hassle from that guy, man. He's got a cyber truck, you know, could roll over me.

[Adam Curry]

He does have a cyber truck.

[John C. Dvorak]

And do something like. Well, that's why he's all up Elon's butt.

[Adam Curry]

Cuz I got a cyber truck.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great. Yeah, make sure it doesn't explode. All right. Yeah. Don't worry. Elon will catch you with his tick. Chopstick. Zilla, whatever it's called. Chopsticks hey, that does it for our broadcast day. Thank you very much for sharing it with us. Of course, we do this as a public service under the value for value model.

[Adam Curry]

Go look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Value number four, value.info and you'll see that all you have to do is send back some time, talent and treasure and we're good to go. Keep that. Keep it good for yourself. Yeah, you, you give, you'll get back tenfold. So I'm told. Coming up next on no Agenda Stream and Trollroom IO Canary Cry News. Ah, Canary Cry News talk. Yeah, those guys are great and big no Agenda fans. And we have end of show mixes from Secret Agent Paul. We've got Leo Lepuke and the clip custodian, Neil Jones. We'll see you on Thursday. Happy President's Day, everybody. Enjoy your new present. Till then, Nadios Mo Fos.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. Remember us noagendadonations.com Adios, mo fosa hooi hooi and such.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to be a mule. I got something to do. I got to go do. Boom, boom, boom. This my wife. This is my sister. They switched on me. Legal rights Amendment.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the 28th Amendment to the Constitution.

[News Anchor]

Now I'm.

[Adam Curry]

I would eliminate the capital gains tax. That and I would. I would raise the capital gains tax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Come on, man. My long friend time friend. And she's a friend. She's been my friend.

[News Anchor]

Have you taken a cognitive?

[Adam Curry]

No, I haven't taken the test.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why the hell would I take a test?

[Adam Curry]

My physical and mental fil. My physical as well as my mental fitness line. Dog face pony soldier, former mayor of Massachusetts. President has a big stick. The president has no intercourse whatsoever. I was ready to prostitute. Substitute myself in with. With.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Make sure you have the record player on at night.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sick and tired of smart guys.

[Adam Curry]

I want to be clear. I'm not going nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're coming to take me away.

[Adam Curry]

Haha. They're coming to take me away.

[News Anchor]

We choose truth over fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're coming to take me away.

[Adam Curry]

The fact is that I don't remember.

[News Anchor]

She was 12, I was 30.

[Adam Curry]

Want the press to know that wasn't me.

[News Anchor]

Trump. Trump is telling us what he intends to do. Trump means to throw people in jail who disagree with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to what he says because he's.

[News Anchor]

Telling us what he will do.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says let's Remove all doubt.

[Adam Curry]

This is what I'm about. This is what I'm about. This is what I'm about.

[John C. Dvorak]

He will execute.

[Adam Curry]

Whoever he's allowed.

[News Anchor]

Take him at his word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. Boom. Predilection. Predilection for predilection for revenge. For revenge. Look at his past.

[Adam Curry]

Trump is telling us what he intends to do. He has to be eliminated.

[News Anchor]

You couldn't carry my husband out of a fire. Which my response is, he got himself in the wrong place. If I have to carry him out.

[Adam Curry]

Of a fire, all the trees burn down. The trees burn down.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the mayor's away?

[Adam Curry]

And the mayor's away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gavin's doing podcasts Doing podcast And the.

[News Anchor]

F. SK and the f. SK Couldn't get no help?

[Adam Curry]

Couldn't get no help?

[John C. Dvorak]

Cuz no one looks like me?

[Adam Curry]

No one looks like me?

[John C. Dvorak]

California's burning?

[Adam Curry]

California's burning?

[John C. Dvorak]

The water's gone to the sea?

[Adam Curry]

Water's gone to the sea?

[News Anchor]

When I up to a dam.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I jumped right in? Well, I landed on my knees? When I intended to swim?

[Adam Curry]

I intended to swim?

[News Anchor]

The smelt is safe and warm?

[John C. Dvorak]

The fire hydrants are dry?

[Adam Curry]

Fire hydrants are dry?

[John C. Dvorak]

California's burning because of dei?

[Adam Curry]

Because of dei? Just how woke is the LA fire department?

[News Anchor]

You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call that looks like you, it gives that person a little bit more ease knowing that somebody might understand their situation better.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo devorak. Org.

[Adam Curry]

Na. Stay tuned.

[News Anchor]

Exclamation mark.