1742 - "Golden Poop"

Summary

No Agenda Episode 1742 - "Golden Poop" Summary

Released on February 27, 2025

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

Description: In this comprehensive episode of "No Agenda," hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dissect a multitude of pressing issues ranging from media misinformation and political maneuvering to public health crises and immigration policies. Broadcasting live from Fredericksburg, Texas, they provide an in-depth analysis of the current media landscape, government actions, and societal challenges, all while maintaining their characteristic sharp wit and critical perspective.

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1. The Mysterious Virus in Congo

Discussion Highlights:

• 00:38-02:27: The episode kicks off with a critique of a media report on a mysterious virus outbreak in northwestern Democratic Republic of Congo. The hosts highlight inaccuracies and racial undertones in the reporting.

Notable Quotes:

• 01:38 Adam Curry: "This is the most racist thing you can. This is so racist."
• 02:15 John C. Dvorak: "We can't just take this at face value. That's no good."

2. Media's Repetitive Messaging: "Chaos and Confusion"

Discussion Highlights:

• 02:46-03:38: Adam and John analyze the media's overuse of phrases like "chaos and confusion," arguing that such repetitive messaging creates unnecessary fear and distrust among the public.

Notable Quotes:

• 03:18 John C. Dvorak: "How do you see this chaos and confusion ending?"
• 03:27 Adam Curry: "The combo. That's what it is. And alliteration is great in."

3. Trump, Elon Musk, and Political Influence

Discussion Highlights:

• 05:05-07:14: The hosts delve into Elon Musk's political influence, particularly his financial support for Reverend Manning's mayoral campaign and his indirect control over Trump.

Notable Quotes:

• 05:05 John C. Dvorak: "These guys [media] are complete insiders."
• 05:14 Adam Curry: "It's so good for some reason, he's always been a Trump hater."

4. Measles Outbreak and Vaccine Efficacy

Discussion Highlights:

• 07:14-18:20: A thorough examination of a reported measles outbreak in Texas. The hosts question the consistency and transparency of vaccine efficacy statistics presented by health officials.

Notable Quotes:

• 07:14 Adam Curry: "I'm waiting. No Agenda is your actual vaccine against this nonsense."
• 17:18 John C. Dvorak: "They've already released 8 so far today."

5. Bird Flu Impact on Egg Prices and Industry Responses

Discussion Highlights:

• 18:20-34:42: The resurgence of bird flu and its economic repercussions, notably the spike in egg prices. The discussion includes criticism of federal responses and industry practices, advocating for natural breeding strategies over mass culling.

Notable Quotes:

• 25:06 John C. Dvorak: "He's going to lead them. No. Everything's so bizarre."
• 34:12 Adam Curry: "But they're doing it to think of the chickens."

6. Media Control and Government Influence

Discussion Highlights:

• 35:11-39:50: Scrutiny of media bias and governmental control over information. The hosts express skepticism about the release of Epstein files and the integrity of media reporting.

Notable Quotes:

• 37:14 Adam Curry: "They never once mentioned the cost of admission."
• 39:50 Adam Curry: "We have to just assume that all that a lot of this is show and they're, you know, they're the very telegenic woman who looks good on TV."

7. Immigration and Refugees: Updates and Policies

Discussion Highlights:

• 108:17-176:21: Updates on immigration policies, including the closure of the Roosevelt Hotel for immigrants and the suspension of the US Refugee Admissions Program. The conversation highlights the struggles of refugees and critiques governmental decisions impacting their resettlement.

Notable Quotes:

• 117:31 John C. Dvorak: "Refugees are a blessing. They're not a burden."
• 125:30 Adam Curry: "Half of the new cars sold are electric. That's not even close."

8. Internal Discussions: Donations, Meetups, and Production Notes

Discussion Highlights:

• 130:21-214:24: Transition to internal matters, including acknowledgments of donors, meetups, and production updates. The hosts engage in playful banter and discuss the importance of listener support for sustaining the show.

Notable Quotes:

• 139:40 Adam Curry: "Everybody, that is your tip of the day. Find it at tipoftheday.net."
• 157:07 Adam Curry: "We have a whole yearly budget."

9. AI and Media Manipulation

Discussion Highlights:

• 146:00-149:00: Brief segment on AI, highlighting a humorous interaction between two AI agents using ham radio protocols, debunking claims of advanced AI communications.

Notable Quotes:

• 144:22 John C. Dvorak: "This is bull crap. And what it's actually saying..."
• 147:18 John C. Dvorak: "These guys are complete insiders."

10. Final Thoughts and Outro

Discussion Highlights:

• 214:25-219:21: Closing remarks with acknowledgments to donors and shout-outs to upcoming meetups and events. The hosts emphasize community engagement and express gratitude for listener support.

Notable Quotes:

• 216:03 Adam Curry: "You're gonna have to find a new one because this can't carry over. It's too good."
• 217:03 John C. Dvorak: "We're trying to be humane to the chickens because, you know, like killing them."

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Conclusion

In "Golden Poop," Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak continue their mission to deconstruct media narratives and expose underlying truths obscured by mainstream reporting. Through a blend of critical analysis, humor, and community interaction, the hosts encourage listeners to think independently and question the information presented to them. The episode underscores the importance of media literacy and the need to remain vigilant against misinformation in an ever-evolving media landscape.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• 01:38 Adam Curry: "This is the most racist thing you can. This is so racist."
• 02:15 John C. Dvorak: "We can't just take this at face value. That's no good."
• 03:18 John C. Dvorak: "How do you see this chaos and confusion ending?"
• 05:05 John C. Dvorak: "These guys [media] are complete insiders."
• 07:14 Adam Curry: "I'm waiting. No Agenda is your actual vaccine against this nonsense."
• 17:18 John C. Dvorak: "They've already released 8 so far today."
• 25:06 John C. Dvorak: "He's going to lead them. No. Everything's so bizarre."
• 34:12 Adam Curry: "But they're doing it to think of the chickens."
• 39:50 Adam Curry: "We have to just assume that all that a lot of this is show and they're, you know, they're the very telegenic woman who looks good on TV."
• 117:31 John C. Dvorak: "Refugees are a blessing. They're not a burden."
• 139:40 Adam Curry: "Everybody, that is your tip of the day. Find it at tipoftheday.net."
• 144:22 John C. Dvorak: "This is bull crap. And what it's actually saying..."
• 181:15 Adam Curry: "But you're talking about really trying to use common sense..."

This summary provides a structured overview of the episode, highlighting key discussions and incorporating significant quotes to capture the essence of the hosts' debates and insights.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he bled like a little sissy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, February 27, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1742. This is no Agenda. Confusing, chaotic and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we want to remind all the kids don't eat dead bats. I'm John C.V. bora.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crack, blood and buzz kill in the morning. Yeah, that was a great report. Do you have that report?

[Adam Curry]

Well I don't have a audio now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, I think I have the report. Hold on a second. Yes, it's the mysterious virus in the Congo.

[Unknown]

More than 50 people have died in northwestern Democratic Republic of Congo because of a mystery virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mystery.

[Unknown]

According to health experts from Bokoro Hospital, a regional monitoring center, the symptoms resemble those linked to deadly viruses such as Ebola and dengue. The outbreak started the end of January.

[Adam Curry]

Stop, stop the clip. It's actually should be Ebola and Marburg. That's a hemorrhagic not. Well den of dengue is kind of, but really hard to get to that point. I don't know, it shouldn't be any of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a bull crap report.

[Adam Curry]

We know it's a bull crap report, but at least put Marburg in. It's a little scarier than dengue.

[Unknown]

The outbreak started at the end of January. The virus was first discovered in three children who ate a bat. No more than 400 cases have been recorded so far.

[Adam Curry]

This is the most racist thing you can. This is so racist. It's like yes, the little African kids are so, they're so hungry they're walking around naked. You know, these dumb African kids and they see a dead bat and like any other child would immediately go eat it. I mean, come on, kids won't even.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eat vegetables now who's racist now? You don't know about the African diet.

[Adam Curry]

They eat bat by the side of the road. Oh look Jimmy, let's go eat the dead bat instead of going yuck and running away like a kid would.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to meet those kids, I want an interview with them. Don't just give me that story, give me the background. I want, I want these kids going, well you know, we saw the bat and we said haven't had food in five days. I think we'll eat the bat.

[Adam Curry]

And it looks so tasty, this dead bat.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need more information on this. We can't just take this at face value. That's no good. That's no good. Hey, I'm going to sum up the the week's M5M because as we have noted on this program for probably all of our 17 plus years, the media likes to glom onto one certain phrase and repeat it over and over ad nauseum. And here is this week's phrase.

[Unknown]

Tonight, confusion and chaos is spreading within a number of agencies across the federal government. Tonight, chaos and confusion across the federal government. This morning, chaos and confusion across the federal government. This, there's more chaos and confusion within the federal government. We have been reporting on the chaos and confusion. Chaos and confusion has already broken out. Other than his mega culp, nobody wants this chaos and confusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you see this chaos and confusion ending?

[Unknown]

There is a lot of confusion, lots of chaos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, it's creating chaos and confusion.

[Adam Curry]

The musk inspired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chaos and confusion in the federal government sows the seeds of more chaos and more confusion and more disillusionment. Oh, chaos and confusion. That's what it is.

[Adam Curry]

I'm glad you got that because I had a K, I put, I had a super cut it, but it was mostly chaos. Chaos, chaos, chaos and confusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's, that's the combo. That's the. And alliteration is great in.

[Adam Curry]

They always like to do the one, two punch, you know, safe and effective. Chaos and confusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, if you want to know the source of the chaos and confusion, I am so happy that this man is back on the no agenda scene. He's back on our radar. He is an end of show mix in the making. I present to you the man who can tell you exactly why we have chaos and confusion. The one, the only running for mayor, Reverend Manning. Elon Musk, the richest man in the world gave transgender tribulation trump $280 million to his campaign. That's what he gave on the top of the table. And now he owns Trump. That's right, he owns Trump. Whatever he tells Trump to do. Trump jumps when Elon Musk said, Jump, Trump. Trump jumps when Elon Musk said. When Elon Musk say, hey, chump. Trump, jump. Hey, chump. Trump, jump. Jump, Trump, jump. Jump, Jump, jump. Hey, Trump. Hey, Trump. Hey, Trump. Hey, chump. Hey, Trump. Trump. Hey, chump. Hey, hey. Hey, chump. Hey, Trump, jump. Jump. Jump.

[Unknown]

Jump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jump. Jump, Trump, jump. Chomp, jump. When Elon Musk said Trump. Trump got the jump. Man, that guy is so good.

[Adam Curry]

It's so good. For some reason, he's always been a Trump hater. You know, he had hated him during the first go round, and he never was. We never got anything from him during the Biden era. He hated Obama to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, Big time. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then he hated Trump, but he never really hated on Biden so much. Yeah. At least we never picked up on it. I always found that peculiar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's running for mayor in New York City, which is great.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it'd be definitely entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is great.

[Adam Curry]

And I guess Cuomo, the old Cuomo guy's gonna run, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, He. He looks like he's been on the O. Man, he's been sucked.

[Adam Curry]

Mario.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he looks like a bit of Ozempic face and body. He's. He's deflated. It's quite interesting. Yeah, he's smaller than he used to be. I have bad news. Although, in a way.

[Adam Curry]

Can I guess the bad news?

[John C. Dvorak]

You'll never guess.

[Adam Curry]

They're not gonna bring out the Epstein stuff that Pam Bondi promised yesterday on the Jesse Waters show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw. Actually, I heard her promise that. I was driving back from Dallas, listening to my Sirius XM receiver. I heard her say, oh, Jesse, oh, it's coming out. We're gonna release it tomorrow. It's all, oh, it's so bad. Oh, you won't. It's so bad. We'll see. So. No, it wasn't me today. I'm waiting. No, I think she said Friday. I thought she said Friday.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, she said today. She said tomorrow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And that was yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's supposed to be today, but tomorrow never comes. John, we all know.

[Adam Curry]

And Friday is Zelensky day.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's on the plane. I saw a video of him getting on the. And right now, Keir Starmer is sitting in the. In the Oval Office, and he's sitting, you know, doing one of those press things where they all yell at Trump about China and other things and tariffs and blah, blah, blah. You said you' Europe was built to screw us. And Keir Starmer looks like he's gonna puke. He's just. His eyes are all wide. He looks frightened.

[Adam Curry]

It's really something to behold. There was a. I was watching some of the Fox coverage because I think it's probably better news, generally speaking, but when they do news, it's not as funny. They talk about Starmer, and nobody seems to. None of these, especially the analysts, nobody seems to want to mention the fact that Starmer's the guy, as the head of the Labor Party, who sent a bunch of operatives over to the United States to campaign for Kamala Harris. And nobody wants to discuss the fact that that could be souring the relationship between the United States and the uk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why would they do that? That's not funny. That's not funny. We have to be hair on fire. Okay, so I had four and a half hours in the car and I listened to as much CNN as I could, as much MSNBC as I could, and you know, Frau Ingraham was at Gitmo. That was super boring to listen to. But the spin up is just out of control. And here's the bad news. So like many Americans, we have liberals in our families and one of our liberal family members is so spun up and just, just completely. It's not working. Going all out of control about Trump's gonna cut Medicare, Trump's gonna, Trump's gonna cut Social Security. It's gonna hurt everybody. It's gonna hurt me. I won't have any medical, you know, just on. And by the way, Trump can't do any of that. Only Congress can do it.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but Trump specifically said he's not going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but you know, this is what the media. And so my question was, where are you getting this from? Well, I know that you're getting others. You know, it's respectful. By the way. This is the good news about our family is everybody can give their op. Everyone still loves each other. That's quite spectacular, honestly, so far. Yeah, we're hanging on by a thread. So where are you getting this from? Will I listen to big platforms like, what do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it'd be the New York Times, msnbc, cnn, Deutsche Welle. No big platforms. I don't know how much bigger I can get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Midas touch.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, bro, you really? Yes. And they think that's a big platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you look on YouTube, every episode has over a million views and they do 15 a day and each episode is about 15, 16 minutes. They are really flooding the zone and it's working well.

[Adam Curry]

That's the way you do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, you get the news like they dethrone. I mean the, the whole psyop was perfect. It's like, you know, tell everybody that they've dethroned Joe Rogan and then they tune. And it's just the one of the brothers. I think they do switch off and they just sit there and I mean, every single title is clickbait. You know, Trump's losing it. Out of control, no grasp. Elon's the President. It goes on and on and on and on. And so when it comes to So I just pulled up two clips from this horrendous podcast and they're into the really riling people up and they're doing a good job, I have to say. Cuz they're complete insiders. You know, they had a political action committee for the Democrat Party. You know, one of them is a lawyer, the other one is Colin Kaepernick's business partner. These are not just some bros from Brooklyn. They've been on the inside and it's better than what is that stupid show Pod Save America. I think they've completely taken that those, you know, because Pod Save America was all hate Republicans, hate Trump, all stupid. But they were kind of hoity toity for like the, you know, like the New York elite set, the Washington elites, because they were also former Obama speech writers and they got into kind of the weeds of the political process. These guys, they just come out and go and anything Trump does is dumb. And so this is a clip I heard last night on my way home. This country has gotten bloated and fat and disgusting and incompetently run.

[Unknown]

Mirror, mirror on the wall. That was Donald Trump apparently talking about himself during his first cabinet meeting of his new term. Donald Trump was joined by his puppet master, Elon Musk, who led much of.

[Adam Curry]

The meeting, which was completely bizarre, full.

[Unknown]

Of lies, and at times, Donald Trump didn't even seem to acknowledge that he is actually the president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you kind of starting to get with what they're doing here? This is Rachel Maddow to an extreme without the smug dumb pauses of Rachel Maddow. I have to say they're doing a good job here.

[Unknown]

My name is Brett Meisellis with Midas Touch. I'm going to walk you through the lowlights and fact check it all. But first, remember to hit subscribe to help us get to 5 million tribers. The meeting began with a prayer where they thanked God for President Trump. Just completely bizarre stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Completely bizarre. They're praying in the cabinet meeting. It's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Watch this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Father, we thank you for this awesome privilege, Father, to be in your presence. God, thank you that you've allowed us.

[Unknown]

To see this day.

[Adam Curry]

The Bible says that your mercies are new every morning. And Father God, we give you the glory and the honor. Thank you, God for President Trump, Father, for appointing us Father. God, thank you for anointing us to do this job.

[Unknown]

Trump then didn't even seem to know that he is president right now. And he said that while egg prices are a disaster and are really high.

[Adam Curry]

Now, they were low with him, eggs are a disaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Secretary of Agriculture is going to.

[Unknown]

Be showing you a chart that's actually mind boggling.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's happened, how low they were with us and how high they are now. So you know all this questioning lead ins, like, well, of course they were lower. They didn't have bird flu when he was president the first time. But then they make this. Everything is with this interesting slant and it's working, it's just working. It's, it's, I have to say, and they are spinning people up and they're doing a better job than any of those mainstream outlets you mentioned. Particularly because it's non stop. It's a non stop barrage. And so the bad news is now I'm gonna have to follow these jamokes. Now I'm gonna have to listen.

[Adam Curry]

You're gonna do it? Because I can't stand listening to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're also riling up everybody about the backlash, the Doge backlash. So yeah, there's backlash by people who are spun up.

[Adam Curry]

I'm pretty sure it's by them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, listen to it. You'll get the idea of how they're doing this and then I'll. I don't have any more of them today, but I'm gonna have to have at least one each show.

[Adam Curry]

Let me just show you a longer.

[Unknown]

Clip from that town hall and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to show you that from.

[Unknown]

Wisconsin to Georgia to New York to the west coast, people are rising up right now and having their voices heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rising up. Red states, blue states, purple states, all of the colors.

[Unknown]

People are angry.

[John C. Dvorak]

People are pissed. People demand action.

[Adam Curry]

Watch this right here from that town hall.

[Unknown]

Let's play it.

[Adam Curry]

They didn't like some of Scott Fitzgerald's answers. The end result of the fraud and.

[Unknown]

Abuse that has been discovered already.

[Adam Curry]

Michael Wittig is concerned with Elon Musk's role in the Trump administration. He held up a sign that red presidents are not kings.

[Unknown]

Are you going to subpoena him?

[John C. Dvorak]

You can guess that this guy was not a Republican rising up with the sign.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, actually there was. Somebody researched this out and discovered it was a left wing organization of activists. There wasn't a Republican in the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the point.

[Adam Curry]

But they were making a fuss as if they were Republicans. And you're telling me that Midas touched with all their quote unquote fact checking that they claim didn't bring bring this up?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to claim it. I'm going to say that's exactly what happened. It's And I'm saying it with evidence.

[Adam Curry]

Are not kings.

[Unknown]

Are you going to subpoena him at some point after you're done with the budget or whatever? Are you willing to use your subpoena.

[John C. Dvorak]

Power to act, to say Trump or.

[Unknown]

Sorry, Musk, come in here, stand in front of Congress and answer some hard questions.

[Adam Curry]

Congressman Fitzgerald insists Musk's efforts to find waste and fraud are working and Congress will eventually have budget oversight.

[Unknown]

So now I want to share with.

[John C. Dvorak]

You what was going down in New.

[Adam Curry]

York and Representative Paul Tunko down.

[Unknown]

Congressional District Democrat Paul Tonko here at this town hall.

[John C. Dvorak]

A huge ovation. Interesting how he uses a Trump huge instead of huge. That I just caught that for some.

[Unknown]

Reason here at this town hall.

[John C. Dvorak]

A huge ovation. I think. I think that's intentional as a teacher.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, but that's also. Bernie also says that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Encourages Congressmember Paul Tonko, who is pushing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back to do more, to work harder.

[Unknown]

Even if that means getting arrested for civil disobedience. You're in public service right now. You cannot sit idly by as Elon Musk and these billionaires take away all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of people's rights and freedoms.

[Adam Curry]

Watch the energy in this room in New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Play this clip. Yeah, so we're not going to play this clip, but that. But they are. They're really.

[Adam Curry]

So they're basically gaslighting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, totally gaslighting.

[Adam Curry]

And they're doing a good job of it, is what you're claiming. Yes. And you have proof of that by virtue of the fact that you have relatives in your own family circle that have been gas lit by these guys and they're all spun up.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'll just read you some titles.

[Adam Curry]

Just to summarize on your behalf.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump. Morning disaster. Major SCOTUS order. Release the files.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Canada and Mic drop. He's freaking out. Fatal move, Donald. Stay the hell out, Donald. Total loser move. Show me the evidence. Whoa. It's happening. These are the titles. And They've already released 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

[Adam Curry]

8.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've already 8 so far today. And we're not even at 1:30. And each one has up to. Well, it takes about six hours and they get up to about a million views. Not all of them, but the majority of them. So they're doing. And that's just YouTube. So they're doing it right and it's working. And they should get a medal from.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they'll get a medal, all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, there's some. Some precious metal is what they're getting. Yeah. And. And they have ads, and they're probably making mo. Making money. I say making movies because Gene Hackman died.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he did?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Well, did you not hear this? This is.

[Adam Curry]

No, I. Oh, this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is an interesting story this morning.

[Unknown]

Authorities investigating the death of a Hollywood legend, Gene Hackman, found dead Wednesday alongside his wife, classical pianist Betsy Arakawa, in their home in Santa Fe. Police say the couple, who married in 1991, were found with their dog after a neighbor called police to do a welfare check.

[John C. Dvorak]

So his wife and the dog were all dead, and there's no suspected foul play, and we don't have any answers. Yeah, I'm thinking carbon monoxide. Absolutely. That's what I'm thinking. He's 95. You don't need a lot of car. But she's only 65, I think. She wasn't all that old. And the dog, you know, the dog being dead, and there's no mention of guns and explosions and poison pills anywhere. If the dog is also dead, then I'm thinking carbon monoxide. But it's just in time to promote the Oscars. That's the good news.

[Adam Curry]

The other person that diaries is Trachtenberg. Actress.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who was that? Trachtenberg.

[Adam Curry]

She was on Buffy and a bunch of other Gossip Girl and whatever, and she was 39. And of course, the first thing they dug up was tweets of her condemning people for not getting vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness. Well, I do have. I might as well play one. One Oscar clip just to. To get it out of the way because it's this coming Sunday and they're doing everything they can. Let's promote it and let's keep dying on those hills, everybody.

[Unknown]

Activist and writer April Rain is reflecting on the viral moment that turned into a movement. It all started when she was watching the Oscar nominations in 2015. It struck me that category after category, there were no people of color nominated for any of the 0 for 20. Rain's viral call for change produced real results at the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and sciences. Since hashtag OscarsSoWhite, the Academy made an effort to diversify its pool of members who get to vote on who should win the Academy Awards so that people who don't look like me or don't look like you aren't making decisions for me without getting my input. That change is noticeable. Last year, 20% of the Academy nominees were from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group. That's compared to just 9% in 2015. Rain says while the Academy has improved its on screen Diversity. There's more work to be done behind the camera. I see more people, actors and producers, directors, creating their own production companies, you know, no longer waiting for their seat at the table, but creating their own mansion and putting their table in chair in it. And Rain had this advice for those feeling discreet and marginalized. Do not let anyone tell you that you don't belong in the room. Go and claim your space.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so I guess claim your space.

[Adam Curry]

Podcasts are so white.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, right? They are. Well, that's. That's not true, because we're gonna see a lot more podcasters of color, also known as pox. Pox. Pox. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We also have Gavin Newsom, who's decided instead of governing the state of California, he's gonna podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I haven't listened to.

[Adam Curry]

That's gonna be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, the pox are going to be Joy Reed's podcast, Lester Holt's podcast. They're all going to be pox. Poc casters. There you go. Pocasters POC podcast. I have to write that one down, just in case. Yeah, yeah. And remember, remember that it is. It is a podcaster who is now Assistant Director of the FBI. I mean, this is an outrage.

[Adam Curry]

Bongino Code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bongino Code.

[Adam Curry]

Bongino.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder what his code name will be. Bongino.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I have a. I think I have a clip. Hold on a second. Where is that? Is that under. I have. I'm over. Oh, here we go. Yes. Over to Pooper.

[Adam Curry]

Yet another prominent MAGA media personalities.

[John C. Dvorak]

MAGA Media personality.

[Adam Curry]

Media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, everybody. MAGA Media here.

[Adam Curry]

Yet another prominent MAGA Media is a show title, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mega Media. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yet another prominent MAGA media personality has been tapped for a top role in the Trump administration. This time it is podcaster. Next. Secret Service Agent Dan Bongino.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcaster. The first thing you get. Podcasting's come a long way, John.

[Adam Curry]

I want a masters. He's. Well, he's got a good background.

[John C. Dvorak]

When they. When they say podcaster, they should say created by Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And this time, it is podcaster and ex Secret Service agent Dan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly like Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

You had Brunetti's balls, you'd be pushing this. This time it is podcaster and ex Secret Service agent Dan Bongino. The president announced in a social media post late last night that, quote, great news for law enforcement and American justice. Dan Bongino, a man of incredible love and passion for our country, has just been named the next Deputy Director of the FBI by the man who will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be the best ever.

[Adam Curry]

Director Cash Patel. Now we should point out the deputy Director oversees the day to day operations of the Bureau and typically the roles held by career federal agents, which Bungino is. A decade or so ago, Mr. Bongino appeared on this program a number of times giving thoughtful and serious commentary on law enforcement matters. This was him in 2014.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, thoughtful. Police departments in general. Anderson. There is. There is a crisis in policing and it's a crisis in training. Despite what some of the other guests.

[Adam Curry]

Have said, I was there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I went through the police academy three times.

[Unknown]

Twice with the nypd, once with the Secret Service.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is a crisis in training. It is not. Does that mean that he didn't pass? That he had to go through?

[Adam Curry]

I thought the same exact thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you have to go, he didn't make it. I went through the police academy three times.

[Unknown]

Twice with the nypd, once with the Secret Service.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is a crisis in training. It is not taken seriously in America.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he was last on this program in March of 2016. In the years since, he's grown into an outspoken member of the right wing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Media sphere and Right wing media sphere. Bring back MAGA media. The President.

[Adam Curry]

He often appeared on Fox attacking the Mueller investig in the first Trump administration and adopted the philosophy that he described as being centered around, quote, owning the libs.

[Unknown]

Own the libs at every opportunity, online.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the election booth, in your activism, don't let them up. Own the libs.

[Adam Curry]

Own the libs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one more clip from this pooper escapade.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. Bongino gained a lot of traction.

[John C. Dvorak]

During COVID This vaccine never had anything to do with science at all.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, anything to do with COVID either. And it's the COVID vaccine. It did not prevent the spread of COVID If masks work, why aren't they working? Because the left doesn't care if they work.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump has certainly approved of his questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump was calling out basically a flawed election for what it was, a flawed election. As the chief executive of the United States, it's his job job to question an election. If he believes there was corruption, that's his actual job, to go and enforce the law as the president chief executive.

[Adam Curry]

When the FBI searched the President's home in Mar a Lago for classified documents in 2022, Bongino went on Fox to condemn the very agency he is now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being tasked to help. Brian, this is such an interesting statement, folks. The FBI is lost. It's broken irredeemably corrupt at this point.

[Unknown]

The inexcusable raid on President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump's home was a straw that broke the camel's back.

[Unknown]

Fire anyone involved in the raid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to hear any more.

[Unknown]

Rank and file stuff. I was a rank and file.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw stuff I didn't like. I left. It's not hard. You swore an oath to the Constitution. That matters.

[Unknown]

If you played any role in this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Raid, you should be gone. Well, that seems like a good thing that you want the guy who sees the corruption to be in there. But Anderson Cooper makes it sound like he, he called them out. I can't believe he's going to lead them. No. Everything's so bizarre.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm going to go back to the Oscars thing in this Black Theory, okay. Because the Met Gal is the other thing happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did I miss it? Did it happen already?

[Adam Curry]

No, no. It's coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, yay. I can still see it. When is it? What channel?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know what channel it's going to be on, but the Met Gal is a little more ridiculous than the Oscars. And I have a report from pbs and it brings out this new, new they're going to emphasize PAC on the Met Gala by promoting what's called. Well, play clip one of this series.

[Unknown]

Here this spring, the annual Met Gala.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you say cut one? Did you say play cut one?

[Adam Curry]

I said clip one, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought you said cut one.

[Adam Curry]

Like I'm a. I don't have a cut.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. That was. I was confused.

[Adam Curry]

Clip 1.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip this spring.

[Adam Curry]

Clip yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Unknown]

This spring, the annual Met Gala in New York City, one of the bigger fashion events of the year, will highlight the indelible style of black men. The Met's 2025 exhibition, titled Super Fine Tailoring Black Style, opens in May and explores the emergence and significance of the Black Dandy. We looked into the rich and complicated historical style and its relevance today. It's part of our ongoing series, Race Matters.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Black Dandy. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

This is a little more extreme than the Oscars.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great. The Black Dand. Dandy.

[Adam Curry]

So the Black Dandy. And there this. I think it's the second clip here that has the. Or the second cut that has the little gem in here. Let's play. This is quite fascinating to, to me because it's just. Because what, what are you guys up to now?

[Unknown]

Now, as you may have noticed, I always have not one, but two wardrobe setups in this office. Growing up in New York City, Dandy. Wellington Says he started paying mention to his appearance at an early age. His style inspired by the Harlem renaissance, and the name fits his Persona. He's a dandy. Clothes tailored, hats pristine, and attitude refined.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a worldwide community, so I'll be.

[Unknown]

Inspired by people who are in Paris, who are in la, you know, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who are in the Congo.

[Unknown]

There is such a connection to style and also a connection to culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the history of black dandyism.

[Unknown]

And black sartorial style is complicated.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's wrapped up in migration and civil rights.

[Unknown]

Dandyism was first introduced to black culture during the transatlantic slave trade. Well dressed enslaved men were seen as fixtures of wealth for their enslavers. But tailored attire and wit also offered a path for black men to imagine possibility and power. Power from 18th century England to today. It's a way of being that has evolved with the times. The black dandy is a complicated figure throughout history. We spoke recently with Washington Post senior critic at large Robin Givhan, who has long covered the fashion industry. There was, you know, the sort of early idea of enslaved black men who were often sort of dressed in fine clothing in order to reflect the status of the enslaver. And you also have black dandies who sort of played with the idea of gender and really sort of tapped into sort of feminine tropes, taking ownership of the body and of their presence, but, you know, embellishing it in a way that signifies its value and its strength.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need to talk to mo about it. I looked at the urban dictionary. Black dandy man who takes great care with his clothing, general appearance. But number two is flamboyant or effeminate male, regardless of sexual orientation. I can see where this is a problem, but this is the theme for this year at the met gala.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this is the theme for the met gala, and this is nothing new. I mean, I think sometimes referred to as style in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Madonna had black dandies in her dancers all throughout the 80s and most of the 90s.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. And then you have. If you watch an NBA game, they always like to throw the camera into the, you know, the walk into these locker room shot, which has become a pretty standard fare, I'd say, over the last decade. And it's always something, and it's always out of the whole team. There's about two black guys on any team that dress, like, you know, I would say, flamboyantly gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And are you saying my favorite sports ball game is gay?

[Adam Curry]

Your sports ball game? It seems so and so. Anyway, onward with cut three.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't keep doing this.

[Unknown]

Tell me more about that. The idea that the black dandy aesthetic is in some way a form of resistance in that it challenges stereotypes about black identity and black masculinity. For a lot of dandies, part of their way of dressing is quite emotive and emotive, and that breaks definitely some of the cultural expectations of black men. But at the same time, during the civil rights movement, the way that activists dressed was. Was to reflect the degree of sort of respect that they not only had for themselves, but also the respect that they were demanding from society at large. For some leaders in the fight for civil rights, how they dressed was a critical part of achieving their agenda. Frederick Douglass was the most photographed man amongst his contemporaries in the 19th century, and he dressed up. Anytime you saw Frederick Douglass, he was dressed up up. Curator Chantrelle P. Lewis is the author of Dandelion, the Black Dandy and Street style in the 20th century.

[Adam Curry]

W.E.B.

[Unknown]

Du Bois was very fixated on fighting racism, fighting oppression through aesthetics. In a time post Trayvon Martin post, many different incidents of police violence in the US There was like a large mass movement up of young black people in urban areas, whether in the US in the UK in South Africa, that began really dressing up for themselves and for their own sense of cultural pride and dignity.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting. They bring in Frederick Douglass. You would definitely call him a Republican and a biblical scholar, and we Dubois this. Phoebe, it's okay. It's just a black dandy show.

[Adam Curry]

He be the voices a communist, but okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but Frederick Douglass was a. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He was a Republican.

[John C. Dvorak]

I might have to add, Phoebe's a white dog, and she just can't handle all the black talk. She's very racist.

[Adam Curry]

Some dogs are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so I used to have a.

[Adam Curry]

Dog that was literally racist.

[John C. Dvorak]

You did?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe you. You don't even have to explain. I believe you. Leave. You like Elon's kid. Hey, shh. It's okay. It's just a black dandy. It's okay. Anyway, okay, so, yeah, I know lots of black men who like to dress up, but they dress up in, you know, the Timberlands and, you know, well, very well ironed shirts. You know, even if it's a sports team, it's. Yeah, they look. They look impeccable. When I went.

[Adam Curry]

They look good. They're looking good.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I went to school in my three months at my alma material alma mater, Salem College, my roommate Ty from Trenton, New Jersey, he showed me how to wash my clothes. He says, what are you Doing? I said, I'm washing my clothes. No, no, no, son. And he got me my own Tide. You want this? Got me moan tied. Show me how to iron. So, yeah. I don't understand. Why is this now the. The theme for the Met gala? Doesn't everybody dress up nice for the Galaxy?

[Adam Curry]

I would. Yes, they do. Now, I was going to. We got one more clip left, and I'm not going to use. I have to mention something, though, just because you. Because I did the cut thing and you told me to stop. Jesse Waters on his show, I think two or three shows ago, opened the show by calling the show it's Jesse Waters primetime. And he stupidly called it Jesse Waters World, which is his old show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Waters World. World.

[Adam Curry]

And so Kevin McCarthy was one of the guests, and he kept giving Waters grief throughout the interview. He says, well, I'm glad to be on Waters World. And then he gave him grief at the end, saying, well, it was good because I haven't been on Waters World for a while. And I'm thinking, what kind of relationship do these two have? McCarthy's on water show all the time. Time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

And I. It's very interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. All I heard was Waters saying to Pam Bondi, did I congratulate you yet? I don't know if I congratulated you. And she says, not personally, but you texted me. That's a little too close for comfort.

[Adam Curry]

This is insidious. Yeah, that's the word you're looking for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. A little too close for comfort. Call it insidiousness if you must. Must.

[Adam Curry]

All right, we'll continue.

[Unknown]

Throughout history, black style movements have been closely linked to individual identity. And with a style that's moved across the globe, every dandy is unique, each with a swagger of his own. You could have someone like, he's very much connected to the jazz age in the swing era. Vintage as the inspiration.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then, of course, there's also black.

[Unknown]

Dandies that wear Ankara prints and black dandies that use streetwear as their mode of expression. There is a generation of black men, as you well know, who take such pride in dressing to the nines. You know, a perfectly coordinated suit with gleaming alligator shoes. They would probably describe themselves as having swagger. They probably wouldn't describe themselves as being a dandy. How do you draw that line between sort of exuding old school cool and being a black dandy? I grew up in Detroit, and I think about, you know, some of the men who, you know, firmly Believe that if your shoes were not matching your suit, then you were just sort of not properly dressed. And for some black men, just being seen in sort of full Technicolor is an incredible victory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can't wait to say.

[Adam Curry]

To see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait to see RuPaul at the Met Gala. I don't even know what are they doing. Maybe it'll become clear when we see it.

[Adam Curry]

This whole thing, this is ridiculous. And the thing is, about this entire report, they never once mentioned. They talk about it as though it's some sort of a thing. You know, they never once mentioned the cost of admission.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think you can even buy a ticket. You have to be invited, don't you?

[Adam Curry]

You have to be invited to buy a ticket.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Invited to buy a ticket. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm asking you, what does it cost to get a ticket?

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know the answer? I'm just going to guess.

[Adam Curry]

I do know the answer. I wouldn't be pulling the stunt If I wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

$5,000.

[Adam Curry]

$75,000. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, any black dandy has that under his top hat.

[Adam Curry]

Although there's a deal. There is a deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet there is.

[Adam Curry]

If you buy a table of 10 for 10, it's 350,000. So it's only 35 ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, we could do a meetup.

[Adam Curry]

It's great. It's our whole yearly budget. So this is an elite, greatest crock of crap. And they're. And they're. They roll out the black dandies as some sort of dance monkey dance moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's what this is all about. The race gala is one of the worst, most racist. It's racist. It is a disgusting product. And it's for elites that can afford $75,000 to show up and say, hello. Give me a break.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be on camera and get your picture in vogue. That's what it's about. About. Yeah. Yeah. That used to.

[Adam Curry]

But again, you know, PBS and npr, both of them, I have another report later. They refute. They do not tell you the numbers. They never give you the numbers. They. I've never seen it. I had to go research it to find it. It's up from $50,000, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Back in the day, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame dinner at The Waldorf was $1,000 a person.

[Adam Curry]

Those days are over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems like. Yeah. Was it. And there were no cameras was a much better deal. Okay, I have to go into this topic because I have a little bit of deconstruction to do because there's all kinds of information that's all over the map and obviously is being played up to an extreme because of RFK Jr becoming the health and Human Services administrator.

[Adam Curry]

Can I interrupt?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So he's sitting there at the rfk. Junior was behind Trump in some event. Then he was sitting at the table with the table read. That was called the. The board of directors meeting. What was that called?

[John C. Dvorak]

Cabinet meeting.

[Adam Curry]

Cabinet meeting, Board of directors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might as well be. Board of directors meeting.

[Adam Curry]

Table read is what I still think it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Table read. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

So Kennedy's there and he just never smiles. And he looks uncomfortable. He does not like being a Democrat in a room full of Republicans. I don't care what he likes to think. And he's gonna do whatever ass kicking he does, if he does any. The whole thing is like, this is so un. This is genetically a problem for him. You can just see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's the Kennedy mantra. I don't think the Kennedys. JFK was the last one. Like, we got to get rid of that guy. He's smiling too much. They seem like he smiled. JFK had a nice smile.

[Adam Curry]

No, he had a great smile. Charming smile. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, since you bring up RFK Jr. My first clip will be about RFK Jr. Guy who really actually, Sam, hold on 1 sec.

[Unknown]

Because RFK is talking about measles. We just had the first measles death in this country in a decade. Let's listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking news. Breaking news. First measles.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. I gotta stop again, because I have a measles clip, too. The first death in a decade. They said it's actually something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I thought we've been doing this show for over a decade, obviously. And I kept getting the impression that there's, you know, that this. Because of this lack of vaccinations, that measles deaths were increasing and they were happening all over the place. And now somebody in Texas dies supposedly of measles, and this is the first one in a decade, and all hell's gonna break loose. Have I been misled?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm kind of upset because you're stealing my thunder and I'm. You know, I was gonna get into a vibe here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was gonna get into a vibe. So just hold that.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this has happened more than once. I say every five shows I do this to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's okay.

[Adam Curry]

And I think it's the structure.

[John C. Dvorak]

The structure of the show or the structure.

[Adam Curry]

No, the structure of the way you pres. The way, the way you set up your gags.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, so I set up a gag and you're like, he's going to do a gag. Let me out. Gag.

[Adam Curry]

Set up the gag in a way that it invites me to do this. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I have your fault. You're out gagging me. This is no good. It's my fault. I'm sorry. I repent. Guy who really Sam, hold on one sec.

[Unknown]

Because RFK is talking about measles. We just had the first measles death in this country in a decade. Let's listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

And There are about 20 people hospitalized, mainly for quarantine. We're watching it. We put out a post on it yesterday and we're going to continue to follow it. Incidentally, four measles outbreaks this year. It's a little worse that clip than I thought. But anyway, the point was Katie Cher interrupts her desperate her guests because we we have measles, a measles death. ARF case talking about the measles death. Let's go to NPR. Health officials in Texas say more than.

[Unknown]

20 people are hospitalized amid an outbreak of measles outbreak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. First, let me just give you the definition of outbreak. The definition of outbreak is a violent increase in activity or currency. That is the first definition. As Merriam websp We're talking 93 people. People, this is an outbreak.

[Unknown]

Child dead. Dr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, let's get the dead child in there. Hold on.

[Unknown]

That has left one child dead. Dr. Lara Johnson, the chief medical officer at Covenant Health in Lubbock, says the risk is low for people who have been vaccinated. For those of us who are fully vaccinated against measles, the risk a lot of people are worried about. What's your risk in the community? Your risk is extremely, extremely low of having having any issues at all with measles. The risk with measles is really for those who are not immune, who have not been vaccinated. The CDC says 124 confirmed cases of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The measles, mostly among teens and children.

[Unknown]

Have been confirmed in the US So far this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is so if you're vaccinated, your risk is very, very low. Whereas my understanding of vaccines has changed a little over the years is that you receive the vaccine, it has a dead virus in there, your immune system responds to it in a less violent manner than getting the actual measles virus. And so the next time it comes around, your immune system will recognize it and will repel it. And you're not going to get sick. But now they're saying your risk is low. What is the risk? Let's go to France. Van Qutre.

[Unknown]

For the first time in a decade, a person has died from the measles virus in the U.S. there are a dozen more in hospital, with several in intensive care in the outbreak spanning Texas and New Mexico. And as you can see from today's news, this virus can have severe and deadly consequences. The patient was an unvaccinated school age child. Over 120 cases of the highly contagious respiratory infection have been identified in Texas since late January. In the US Vaccine hesitancy is on the rise. The Centers for Disease Control said during the 2023-2024 school year, exemptions from one or more vaccines among kindergarteners in the U.S. increased to 3.3%. In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18%, according to Health department data. If you're unvaccinated, if you're around someone who has the illness, you have a 90% chance of becoming ill from the virus. When we say the vaccine is 93% effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

93% effective. Hold on a second. So out of 100 people, seven will get it anyway. So it's. What is this vaccine? It's 93. We've heard this before. 93% effective.

[Unknown]

That means, I suppose we took 100 vaccinated people and put them in a room with someone with measles. Almost all of those vaccinated people, 93% would not contract the illness at all. Health officials remain concerned.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, do they? At that point, would they explain why seven people who were vaccinated, seven people out of 100, which is 7%, which is a high number. If it was a death rate of 7%, that wouldn't be good. And so you have seven people that catch it and they were vaccinated. Is there an explanation as to why the vaccinated person would have caught the disease when they were vaccinated? They explained that in that report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you making trouble? You're asking questions that shall not be questioned.

[Unknown]

Would not contract the illness at all. Health officials remain concerned as more cases spring up in New Mexico as well. The new U.S. secretary of Health, Robert Kennedy Jr. Who himself has expressed anti vax views in the past views, said such outbreaks are not unusual, but promised his department would continue to monitor the situation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so we're getting closer now to some information now. Now the whole point of what we're supposed to understand and the meme is first death from measles in 10 years.

[Unknown]

Our chief medical correspondent, Dr. John Lapouk joins us now. And to be clear here, John, measles are seriously contagious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seriously? Yes, they've been seriously contagious since I was six years old. Yes, you get the measles so infectious.

[Unknown]

Much more than flu or Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

And on top of that, there's a double whammy, which is a relatively long.

[Unknown]

Incubation period of 10 to 14 days, during which somebody can travel all over the place, even up to four days before getting a rash. And other people on top of that. If an infected person leaves a room, the virus can be floating in the air for two hours and infect some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unsuspecting vulnerable person who then walks in.

[Adam Curry]

So given all that, John, remind us again of how effective the vaccine has been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Extraordinarily effective. Listen, he has different numbers. Remember, it was 93 just a minute ago.

[Adam Curry]

This is another question. Why doesn't one of these reporters should say, well, you know, that's funny. You say this, whatever the number's gonna be, because I've heard this number and that number and this number and that. What number is it? Can't you guys agree on a number?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because we're no longer members of the World Health Organization. We don't have the data. You see, Trump pulled this out. We don't have the data.

[Adam Curry]

Effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

The vaccine has been extraordinarily effective.

[Unknown]

97% effective at preventing infection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was.

[Adam Curry]

That Last one said 97%.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it said 93.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, 93.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

With 7% getting sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now it's 93 after two doses.

[Unknown]

And take a look at this graph. The measles vaccine was introduced around.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm confused. 93. 97. It's not 100%.

[Unknown]

1963. That's when it was licensed. Before then, there were about 500,000 reported death reported cases a year and four to 500.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, wait. He said reported deaths, and then he said reported cases. Did everyone die?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he corrected himself.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that was a correction. Because it sounded to me like he didn't correct himself, but let's do it. Yes, it sounded like he said reported deaths. Reported cases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he corrected himself.

[Adam Curry]

Did he say, I'm sorry, it's not reported deaths? Yes, yes, but you Play it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interrupted the clip.

[Unknown]

Vaccine was introduced around 1963. That's when it was licensed. Before then, there were about 500 reported death reported cases a year and 4 to 500 deaths.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now look at. He corrected himself.

[Adam Curry]

He changed. If you listen to the actual flow of what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, gosh, John, who cares? You know what he's.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I'm saying, here's the reason. I. Here's the reason. I'm making a point of this because this slips into the mentality of the listener. This neuro linguistic programming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

He said 500,000 deaths. And then he said 500,000 cases. He didn't go 500,000 deaths. I'm sorry, I don't mean 500,000 deaths. I mean 500,000 cases. I was mistaken. He didn't say any of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

So he slipped into the public consciousness. 500,000 deaths.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it was intentional. Okay, I don't think it was intentional. It's kind of not the point. The point is, is that it was a very low percentage of people dying. If you have 500,000 and 500 die, that's like, oh, 0.1%.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's one. Yeah, it could be. I have to look at that.

[Unknown]

The measles vaccine was introduced around 1963. That's when it was licensed. Before then there were about 500,000 reported death, reported cases a year and four to 500 deaths. Now look at that precipitous drop off. You don't see something like that. And so that's remarkable. Now I do understand there are people who say, and they've said to me, look, I want to get the vaccine and I don't want to give it to my family.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm hyperventilating. That's the job for me.

[Unknown]

But actually, when you say that, when you're considering whether to get the vaccine, think about the fact that there are 17 million immunocompromised immunocompromised adults and 2 million immunocompromised children who are relying on you being immunized and getting that herd immunity to not get infected themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay? Now, so here he's giving it away. The child who died, who we know nothing about, probably was immunocompromised. And you can die from the flu, you can die from certain, any respiratory disease. And you know, there's a lot of factors that brought down measles. I'm not so sure it was just the vaccine. It's irrelevant. It's an outbreak, Lester.

[Unknown]

Tonight the FDA took the unusual step of reminding people that the measles vaccine is safe and it's got 50 years of science behind it. But the FDA is very concerned that the measles have once again emerged as a public health threat. Yeah, it's Scary. It's not getting any better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, scary. And that was 2019, by the way, when we had over 600 cases of outbreak of measles. Measles. This is 124. And then there's this clip.

[Unknown]

Officials in Washington State confirming one woman died during an outbreak of measles earlier this year. It's the 11th case of measles in Washington state this year, but the first measles death in the US since 2003. It's doubly tragic in that this was a preventable death.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is 2016. So it's an outright lie that no one has died from measles in the last 10 years. Because this is just. I just went on YouTube and just pulled up a clip. It's a lie. Surprise. It's a lie.

[Adam Curry]

Everything's. This entire thing is a lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

So then.

[Adam Curry]

But they can't get what bothers me. Here's the problem I have, at least with the, you know, safe and effective and that phrase we had already chaos and confusion. There was some coordination. There's the lack of coordination with the percentage of how effective it is and how many people died and who died and when they died and, you know, outbreak and all the rest of it. The lack of coordination on the part of the propaganda propagandizers is kind of. Is kind of distressing because it's as though they don't. They don't even need to do that. They just frighten the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I can explain the reason why is it used to be coordinated from the CDC direct to the newsrooms. Now it's coordinated by the marketing department of Bigfoot Pharma. They're just saying, do, do more reports on measles and not really giving them the coordinated message.

[Adam Curry]

They're just buying airtime because they want to promote vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Unknown]

There is nothing more tragic than the.

[Adam Curry]

Death of a child. Especially so if the death was preventable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Preventable. We don't know that with the death.

[Unknown]

Of a child in Texas from measles. The first measles death in this country in nearly 10 years. Measles. Measles deaths, even measles cases are rare because the disease is preventable with a vaccine that has been available for more than 60 years. There is an outbreak of measles in Texas among people who were not vaccinated. That includes the child who died in Lubbock.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm looking at the CDC chart rate of measles cases and deaths in the United States, 1919-2020. So in 1919, reported measles cases 175. I go to 1937, reported measles 647. Now the death rate was a little bit higher, was 2.5. But in so this measles vaccine has been available since 1963. They still had 110 in 1990. There was actually a spike in 2019. That's where that Lester Holt report came from. But the measles death rate is still 0.1 0.1% what it's always been. And so there was an uptick in 2024. It hasn't gone to zero and nor have the deaths gone to zero according to the CDC data for whatever truth that that is. So this is just a total hoax story. And to make it even funnier, the CBS guy sits down with this expert outside two picnic tables 20ft apart wearing a mask.

[Unknown]

We're now seeing a very serious consequence of what happens when we have measles in our community.

[John C. Dvorak]

The first measles death in the US.

[Adam Curry]

In nearly a decade happened here at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Covenant Children's Hospital in Lubbock, Texas.

[Unknown]

The child was school aged and did not reside in Lubbock County.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are now more than 120measles cases in Texas. About 20 children have been hospitalized, some in the ICU.

[Unknown]

None were vaccinated.

[Adam Curry]

Now health officials are racing to stop the spread.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've talked to parents of little ones under one year old who can't get the measles vaccine. What do you tell those worried parents who feel their kids are susceptible and they don't even want to take them out?

[Unknown]

It's important to communicate with your physician for infants, especially 6 to 12 months. So that population is a little bit different only because we can in certain contexts give the measles vaccine early.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1963, 400 to 500 people died every year.

[Unknown]

Year. The virus is extremely contagious for those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who don't have immunity. I'm sorry, that wasn't the mask clip. But here you, you hear the messaging which is, hey, we can give it to your six month old. Come on people, there's an outbreak.

[Unknown]

Saturday morning she woke up with a rash.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the mask clip.

[Adam Curry]

Knowing the measles outbreak was near her.

[Unknown]

Home in Odessa and that her daughter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was too young to be vaccinated.

[Adam Curry]

Caitlin Norris, 8 month old Poppy to.

[Unknown]

The ER when she developed a fever and rash. She also had the coughing, the runny nose and the rash. So she had a very good amount of all of the symptoms. You're so sticky and you don't even know it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Despite her sick excellent nat pop cbs.

[Unknown]

It's beautiful and you don't even know it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Despite her symptoms, Poppy's test results came back negative for measles this morning. But her mother isn't letting her guard down yet. The kid didn't have measles, Weasel. She was spun up and frightened by you morons. When you start hearing about this in.

[Adam Curry]

Your backyard, what's going through your mind?

[Unknown]

It's terrifying. I've read a lot of things about.

[Adam Curry]

How, how children have seizures because of.

[Unknown]

The high temperatures of their fevers and brain damage and they die. And it's terrifying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's terrifying. Just remember everybody, no agenda is your actual vaccine against this nonsense. Because in 1963 they came out with the vaccine and in 1980 we were laughing at the Brady Bunch who all got it, including Alice. And they didn't want. They went, ooh, I don't wanna, I don't wanna a shot. I don't wanna shot, dude. Who wants a shot? We get ice cream in comic books.

[Adam Curry]

I just wanna play. What? I have one clip on this. This is from NPR or pbs, one of the two. But this is the Texas measles clip. And the reason I wanna play this is because. Cause it's because the clip you just played, not the one just before the one you just played, which they said all the guy says all of the people have gotten measles. All the guy says all of them were unvaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Do we know that for sure?

[Adam Curry]

We don't know anything. But play this version.

[Unknown]

Other headlines. In Texas where officials announced the first death from a recent measles outbreak. They say the victim was an unvaccinated vaccinated school age child who was hospitalized in West Texas last week. There are at least 124 confirmed cases of the highly contagious respiratory illness across nine Texas counties. They've been mostly reported among children, many of them unvaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Many of them. Many of them. There you go. Yeah, well, it's going to be at least 7%, maybe 3. We don't know. It's a little.

[Adam Curry]

Because we don't have anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I just add on top of this because we have to have more, more fear. And this is, this is the opposite of the no agenda show. This is a public service to freak you out, to freak out family members of mine when they hear stuff like this.

[Unknown]

Bird flu continues to cause concern not just because it's leading to skyrocketing egg prices. Scientists are watching the virus closely and some believe it could become the next major human pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they keep doing this and they're gonna bring in a perfect guy.

[Unknown]

Now, I spoke to biologist David Merriam at MSU Denver who doesn't necessarily agree, but he says it will become a bigger concern if and when we start to see human to human spread.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he says he doesn't necessarily agree, but don't listen to what I just said there. He's really concerned. He's concerned. He's worried. There's concern, gee, it could spike, it could mutate, Anything could happen.

[Unknown]

So far, we really haven't seen confirmed cases of that. But Miriam says H5N1 can trade genetic material with the H1N1 virus in the body, which would make it a lot more transmissible. So somebody who gets like H1N1, which is your standard flu that's coming around right now, somebody gets that. And then they're also a dairy worker or a chicken worker working with H5N1.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a chicken. It's like a sex worker for animals, a chicken worker.

[Unknown]

You'd like H1N1, which is your standard flu that's coming around right now. Somebody gets that. And then they're also a dairy worker or a chicken worker working with H5N1. And now you have both of them in the same person. And that's where you start seeing a selective pressure. And that selective pressure is the sort of thing that could lead to it being more transmissible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please, Doug.

[Unknown]

Yeah, that's why he says it's really important for people to get vaccinated against H1N1. Again, we're talking yourself standard flu shot. There is a bird flu vaccine for humans. In fact, Canada announced last week it's purchased 500,000 doses of the H5N1 vaccine with the intention of vaccinating high risk populations like those who work closely with birds or cattle.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're testing the bird flu vaccine on Canadians. Don't take it, are they? That's what she said. Canada bought 500,000 vaccines of the human bird flu vaccine. Don't take it, Canada. So there's multiple angles to this. So besides the big pharma, of course, which is the ultimate goal, there's an anti Trump thing. You know, egg prices are rising. Trump said they will go down. Egg prices are rising. And there's this very reminiscent of COVID of shutting down parks.

[Unknown]

H5N1 avian influenza, or bird flu. It's been detected again in New Jersey, evidenced by The Y caution tape blocking off parts of Pete Sensei park in Allentown Borough, Monmouth County.

[John C. Dvorak]

They actually have a helicopter shot of the park with it taped off with yellow police tape. This is terrorism.

[Unknown]

In the same town, Heritage park has blockades and caution tape. It's where New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection has found dead geese. Those animals testing positive for bird flu. One of them tested positive for H5N1. The Burlington county health department is monitoring after deceased wild Canada goose found and Pemberton tested positive last week. While there hasn't been any evidence of human spread locally, the cases that we have seen across the country are primarily in commercial dairy and poultry workers. Shoppers are feeling an impact of the bird flu in egg prices. My husband now we spend a lot of time trying to compare prices where it's find something suitable for home and not spending too much. Our data journalism team found the price of eggs has jumped significantly in six weeks time. At the start of 2025, a carton of large eggs was just under $6. Now the same dozen eggs will run you 8:39. In response, restaurants like Waffle House and Denny's have implemented egg surcharges and super supermarkets like Costco and Trader Joe's have imposed limits on the number of cartons you can buy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I talked to a rancher out here and he says he doesn't have chickens, but he's a rancher. He says this makes no sense. He said it makes no sense to vaccinate these chickens. The natural course which has happened throughout history is bird flu comes in, chickens get sick, some will survive. The ones that survive, you want to keep those going, keep that lineage going. Killing the whole flock is just dumb.

[Adam Curry]

That's what a lot of people say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

It just encourages more. More bird flu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You want to breed the chickens, they'll self breed bird flu out of the system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But whatever you do, be afraid.

[Unknown]

We have a viewer question today.

[John C. Dvorak]

It came from Facebook.

[Unknown]

Diane wants to know, with the increase in bird flu cases, is it safe to fill the bird feeders in my yard? Such a good question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Unknown]

Because a lot of us have them out in our yards. Now, wildlife experts say that it's okay to maintain a bird feeder in your property or on your property as long as you don't live near a farm or have domestic fowl in your yards. Things like chickens and ducks. Chickens and ducks. Of course you want to wash your hands after you touch your feeder and you want to clean the feeder itself pretty frequently. And if you see Any, any dead or sick birds. You want to call the Mass Department of Agricultural Resources.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, call, call your local authorities if you see a dead bird.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't touch the dead birds. It's not a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, if you're in Africa, you'd eat the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. And I have a couple of NPR pieces on this because they title this the Battle against bird flu. Cut 1. Bird flu has been spreading in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Sure, yeah.

[Unknown]

The first person to die from bird flu is reported last month. And two people were recently hospital in Wyoming and Ohio. The CDC still says the risk to humans is low. But inside the poultry industry there's a fight brewing over how to take the battle against bird flu to the next level.

[Adam Curry]

Kate Wells of Michigan Public and KFF.

[John C. Dvorak]

Health News is reporting on all this. Kate, good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Good morning. Okay, so what are you hearing from egg farmers here?

[Unknown]

Yeah, they say that they are just flat out losing this battle against bird flu at this point. They are, are desperate for new tools at this point. They say what they have been doing to try to contain the outbreak just is not working. I talked with Greg Herbrook. He's the CEO of Herbrooke's Poultry Ranch. It's one of the largest egg producers in the US and in April, three of his sites got hit with bird flu run right after the other and he ended up having to kill six and a half million chickens.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. The mental toll on our team of dealing with that many dead chickens is, is just.

[Unknown]

I mean, you can't imagine it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they only have to kill them because the health agencies require it. I don't think that's the choice they would want to make. It's something some. Who is in charge of this now? Who's in charge of. Who is the new Secretary of Agriculture?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that question has to be. Well, the secretary, I don't know, but all those questions that you just asked me right there should have been in these reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, let's check out. Cut to.

[Unknown]

So he used the USDA like tried and true playbook here. It's the stamping out method right after detection, like within 24 to 48 hours, the whole flock has to be culled. There's a bunch of cleaning and sanitizing. And this is to prevent the birds from dying really painful grizzly deaths. But it's also to try to keep the virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're trying to be humane to the chickens because, you know, like killing them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Killing him this way is better. Is better than killing a break we're doing. But it's not grizzly. Or is it? No, we don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't know. But we're doing it to think of the chickens.

[Unknown]

It's from dying really painful, grisly deaths. But it's also to try to keep the virus from spreading even further. And this works like in the 2014 and 2015 outbreak. Ever since then, farmers have put in tens of millions of dollars in biosecurity, like employees showering lasers that can spot potentially infected wild birds from land. But none of it is working this way.

[Adam Curry]

Of course not, because it's dumb.

[Unknown]

Viruses are constantly evolving. Right? And this particular strain of the virus has gotten so good at infecting new species, not just wild birds that migrate. There are more than 40 species of mammals. You've heard about dairy cows, but, you know, also dolphins, rats, dolphins. Bird flu is just too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. Bird flu is now in dolphins.

[Adam Curry]

I have not heard this, by the way. You got to dig up to. We gotta start playing one of our jingle clips. The war on chickens. Yes, I think this is all part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Skunks. And by this point, bird flu is just too embedded in our environment for us to just stamp it out. I also talked with David Swain. He is a former U.S. official. He's one of the leading avian influenza experts. And he says, look, it's time for the US to try vaccinating poultry for bird food. He says this is good as a tool not just to reduce the virus in animals. Here's Swain. But also a tool that reduces chances for human infection. But egg producers, they will need the green light from the federal government before they can try this.

[Adam Curry]

The war on chicken.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a final 32nd here, what about poultry farmers that raise chicken for meat?

[Unknown]

For meat. So they are very against this vaccination plan because you could lose billions of dollars a year in trade deals if the US does start vaccinating poultry. And that's because a lot of countries, they don't want to buy meat from a country that is vaccinating any chickens. Those countries are worried that the vaccine can mask symptoms in birds and that the virus could maybe get across their borders in that meat undetected. But the pressure on the US Government to do new is clearly growing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brooke Rollins is our 33rd Secretary of Agriculture.

[Adam Curry]

She didn't mention this report. I don't understand this. We, we hear enough of this stuff so we can get kind of a broad based look at, at things in terms of the reporting and she what wasn't mentioned is that the chickens who are, are the meat chickens are disadvantaged. Different type of farming. The whole thing is different. They're not the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And they haven't had bird flu outbreaks in the meat chicken. That's why chicken meat you can go buy legs and thighs and breasts and the price has not changed. It may have gone down a few cents. This has been reported over and over, but I guess it's been forgotten already.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a lot of clips with questions for you out actually. So we need to talk about oil because there's a massive pivot taking place where people are talking about now we gotta get back and we're not gonna, you know, we're not, it's not gonna work. This green green revolution is not happening. We haven't done it fast enough. So we're gonna have to go back and start producing more oil.

[Adam Curry]

We couldn't go any faster.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is the report about BP and others.

[Unknown]

BP's announcement sort of flies in the face of the direction they were. But it seems that they're not alone. That's quite right. So when you look at BP's trajectory back in 2020, they announced their net zero objectives. How they plan to get to NET 0 by 2050. And it was a plan to reduce oil and gas production by 40% by 2030. And the announcement was as well, no new oil and gas exploration in any new currently un uninvested in countries. However, since then profits took a hit in 2024, by which I don't mean it stopped being profitable. Profits were just smaller, dividends were smaller.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, oh, curse those rich people.

[Unknown]

And now they're calling a reset. The new CEO has said this is a reset. BP with an unwavering focus on growing long term shareholder value. How does he plan to get there? Well, the pivot is boosting fossil fuel investment to $10 billion per year, cutting what they call the transition business. So that's all things renewable, EV batteries, also hydrogen. Cutting that to just 1.5 to 2 billion a year. And when you read the announcement, you look at the text of it. The words they're using for investment in these transition industries are things like disciplined, selective, focused and capital light. They're going to keep these investments capital light, which you might say is code for the absolute bare minimum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, code bond genome. Okay, the question is coming. But first we have to hear that not just BP but many other large multinationals are just giving up on it.

[Unknown]

Now, they're not alone, as you say, just Last year, Shell announced that they were reducing their green ambitions. They had planned a 45% cut in their carbon intensity by 2035. The new CEO said that any such plans were perilous and scrapped them. More recently, you've got Equinor, the Norwegian oil company who used to be called State Oil, who rebranded in 2018, no doubt to part with that extremely fossil fuel heavy image that they had had. They recently announced that they will be halving renewables investment in the next two years and upping oil and gas production. The reason given they don't see the necessary profitability in these for the future. So this is a whole industry unashamedly, you might say, shamelessly putting profitability overall else including accompanying the green transition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Good luck with your messaging. Oh, they're shamelessly putting profits up against the survival of human nature. So President Trump has said the human.

[Adam Curry]

Species, not human nature.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, human species. So President Trump has said drill, baby, drill. And CNN brings on some expert and talks about the types of crude oil that we have in the United States and whether we can actually, if we actually have the right kind of oil to make our country run. And I know that you happen to be an absol. Expert in this particular area now. You're an expert. You're an expert just.

[Adam Curry]

I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. And I'm gonna.

[Adam Curry]

And I play one on a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So a pod spurt, if you will. So I'm going to treat you as such. Ladies and gentlemen, we have oil expert John Cdvorak with us today. John, I want you to listen to this clip and then I want your expert insight into what they're saying.

[Unknown]

New CNN reporting this morning shows a problem with President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy. Why are you yelling?

[Adam Curry]

Vision of energy independence.

[Unknown]

According to the president, unleashing U.S. drilling would reduce gas prices, reduce America's cost of living, and increase the nation's energy independence. Senior chief climate correspondent Bill Weir is here.

[Adam Curry]

In the issue, as you report, is.

[Unknown]

Drilling for what exactly? Yeah. Have you noticed the president leaves facts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out sometimes when makes these grand statements.

[Unknown]

About how we could just get off of all the foreign oil that comes from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, these places. One huge problem, not all oil is created equally. Let's talk about the basics. It's everything from sweet light crude, which.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is like the champagne of oil, down.

[Unknown]

To heavy sour, which is more like wet coffee grounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Unknown]

This stuff is light and easier to process. And the US Pumps a lot of it. We use it to export and it goes into kerosene and gasoline. The problem is the country was built on sticky copper coffee grounds over the years. And so our US Refineries are set up to process the heavy dense stuff, the Alberta tar sands. The clues in the name, it looks like sandy tar and it is processed this way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, along the Gulf of Mexico, a.

[Unknown]

Lot of these refineries can deal with.

[John C. Dvorak]

More of the lighter champagne stuff.

[Unknown]

And here's the big problem, John.

[John C. Dvorak]

We produce a lot more champagne than coffee ground, exporting about 13 million barrels.

[Unknown]

A day of the light sweet stuff while importing about half that much from these other countries. So again, the idea that we could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut off imports from Canada and not.

[Unknown]

Feel the ramifications, it would completely upend the refinery system and would drive gas prices through the ceiling. It's just not what we're built for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Unknown]

The infrastructure is not here.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm going to bring in our resident expert now, John C. Dvorak. He is a podcaster and a columnist. And John, we'd like to know.

[Adam Curry]

Unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we. Actually that is the biggest wait, can we. I'm doing your intro. Podcaster and columnist, John C. Dvorak. And John, what you just heard there, can you give us some insight into whether it is actually the champagne of oil that we cannot refine or the coffee ground of oil that we can refine that will keep this country moving? We go to John. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so here's refineries can handle pretty much except for refineries that are specialized in the champagne style of what he's talking about super sweet oil, which is like Bolivian, for example. Those guys, they set up shop to do that kind of oil because it's harder to take this crappy sour, which means it's full of sulfur is what that refers to. And it stinks. And you have to run it through a more elaborate system to get the sulfur out and to crack it and to refine it in the cracking processes to break it down. The sweet stuff, all refineries can take that stuff because it's easy to process. You run it right through and you bypass some of the cracking gear if you have to. It doesn't make any difference. It's the best stuff. That guy's full of crap. All the refinery, I don't know of a refinery that wouldn't prefer nothing but sweet because it's a pain in the ass to break down the other stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

So wait, CNN was lying?

[Adam Curry]

No, they were in ignorant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go to another clip from cnn. This is about the oil companies who of course were all against Capex and new investments in Drilling because Wall street wanted to have revenue and not investment. That's according to the oil baron. I will have to talk to him about this.

[Unknown]

And how do the oil companies feel.

[Adam Curry]

About these calls to drill, drill, drill more. Do they feel like they can?

[Unknown]

Well, it all comes down to economics. The price of a barrel of oil, the projections.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it takes 10 years sometimes.

[Unknown]

To get a well operating. And so they're looking over at chairs. Or almost half of the new cars sold are electric. They're looking at oil demands around the world.

[Adam Curry]

How they might pull crackles Plastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Half of the new cars sold are electric. That's not even close.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe 10%, I think is definitely not half. This is. This is bogative car sold are. Get back here. Electric China.

[Unknown]

Or almost half of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, China. You said in China. In China.

[Adam Curry]

In China. Yeah. It's true. In China.

[Unknown]

Looking over at China. Or almost half of the new cars sold are electric. They're looking at oil demands around the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

How they might sink.

[Unknown]

Petrochemicals, plastics. All of those calculations are going into how they do this. So there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are the plastics made of? Champagne or coffee grounds.

[Adam Curry]

You can make it out of anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Not a huge demand.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's not sort of. You know, he was prom.

[Unknown]

These oil CEOs were promised complete carte.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blanche deregulation, but they're not.

[Unknown]

They're not exactly chomping at the bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

To open new wells.

[Unknown]

We're talking about wells, we're not talking about shale. Or are we talking about both?

[John C. Dvorak]

Shale oil.

[Unknown]

Big fracking boom has led to a massive spike in natural gas, which is a different kind of fuel, of course, and a lot more of the sweet light champagne that comes out of those fracking wells. Right. You've made me thirsty, Bill Weir.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you'll have to say that every.

[Unknown]

Barrel of this stuff that gets pumps and burns most is closer to a climate crisis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alternatives are cheaper than the petrochemicals.

[Unknown]

So something to keep in mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's that too. All right, so they're full of crap. Full of crap.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what the point of that report was. Just a slam Trump. Yeah, well, I forget the thing is that they never bring up and I don't know why this is because I bring it up and it doesn't benefit the Republicans, that's for sure. Is that during the Biden administration we've drilled more and pumped more than ever before. The whole time. It was a lie. Oh, we're going to move away from fossil fuels. That just the opposite happened. But no one wants to bring that up because they don't want to bring up the hypocrisy of it all. They don't want to bring up the price. The fact that I think Exxon doubled, the stock price doubled. Exxon is doing nothing but kicking ass because they never bought into a lot of the green stuff and they just pumping oil out of the ground like there's no tomorrow. And the stock went through the roof during the Biden administration, but nobody even brings any of that up. It's baffling to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, gambling? Please.

[Adam Curry]

I'm baffled. I'm totally baffled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the baffling move is the unprecedented move that this White House has made by saying they are going to select who can be in the press room, who can be in the Oval Office. Because as you know, if you can't be in there, you can't report to the American people. Although I find that an interesting argument because as far as I can tell, it's streamed live on every platform known to man whenever there's a press conference and whenever the President is sitting in his Oval Office. But this is very controversial and it's going to ruin the geek party known as the White House Correspondents Dinner because it seems they're just going to have to fall apart.

[Unknown]

A select group of DC Based journalists should no longer have a monopoly over the privilege of press access at the White House. All journalists, outlets and voices deserve a seat at this highly coveted table. So by deciding which outlets make up the limited press pool on a day to day basis, the White House will be restoring power back to the American people who President Trump was elected to serve. We can now bring in Jody Ginsburg, chief executive officer of the Committee to.

[Adam Curry]

Protect Journalists, who joins us from New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you so much for joining us.

[Unknown]

On the program today. Your reaction to this latest move from the White House? This is a terrible move, to be honest. The way that the press pool works is that those who are in the press pool, which as you say, is a small group of people, because you can't have the 800 journalists who are members of the White House Correspondents association all crowd into a room with the President everywhere he goes. They provide information to everybody else. So all of the news about the President that people get from their local radio stations, for example, or in their regional newspapers will have come very often from the press pool. Vital that those are independently selected, that they're not in the gift of the President and the administration whom they are covering. Why do this now well, this has come, it's believed, in reaction to something that the Associated Press, one of the wire news agencies, again a service that many other news outlets use, I imagine, including France 24, has done, which is, it is said in its style guide, which is used by many, many news organizations, it will continue to call the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of Mexico. Donald Trump has said that within America, it should be known as the Gulf of America and has barred the Associated Price from the call. And this seems to be an extension of that. What it is, is an attempt to exert more and more control over the press and over the information that the public receives. So even though this was for the people, actually, this is not serving the people. People at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not serving the people. It's not serving the people at all. Why won't the. What did, what bug or hair crawled up the AP's butt that they won't just call it the Gulf of America? I mean, why is this, why are they, to quote your phrase, there was.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody obviously at the operation and the higher up saying, yeah, why are we going to be pushed around, be told what to do? We'll call it what we want to call it. And the White House took offense. And the next thing you know, this snowball and you get to somebody finally took a. I always thought it was corrupt that you had one group, one lone group, the White House Press Association, I guess is what it's called, which used to be run by John Carl over at CBS or abc. John Carl ran it. He was a Trump hater. And they get to pick and choose who gets to go in there and what they get to ask to the point where they're almost scripting the questions. And the whole thing is a scam in some way. And it should be, should be open to any bloggers or anyone who wants to, who can find their way in there. And besides that, it's like, you're right, it's being streamed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, of course the AP can't ask questions if, if they're not.

[Adam Curry]

But when's the last time the ap, I mean, how often does the AP ask questions?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's usually, you know, the guys in front, cbs, abc, NBC, sometimes Oan, and, you know, a few other people will ask the questions. And I don't know. I think that's making them, I think it's, it's an association that had control and they lost control and now they're whining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay.

[Adam Curry]

And you should Hear some of the press people that are. Oh, they should dig this spineless press. This is from, you know, journalists who were. Who are activists, the spineless press. They should all walk out and stop covering Trump because Trump. Trump will. Because he needs attention. He's like a big baby. He needs so much attention that if they all walked out and didn't show up, then he would die on the vine.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. They are spineless because they'll never do that because they know they're already mortally wounded. The elite messaging system is completely broken. Do you remember the. I was just thinking about this the other day. See if I have a clip of it. When President Trump ran the first time and he was a laughingstock, this was this what was going on at the time, 2015.

[Unknown]

We need to talk about this because I think you guys have made a mistake. Yeah. So, I mean, nobody can deny that Donald Trump is partly where he is in the polls because of the media coverage. And our big statement is that Donald Trump is not a serious candidate. He's an entertainer. Can't do that. You can't. You were new like you. You, along with the Huffington Post Washington bureau chief is Ryan Grimm. You wrote this month or last month explaining your decision not to cover the campaign of Donald Trump as part of your political coverage. And this, what you said, you said Trump's campaign is a sideshow. We won't take the bait. If you're interested in what the Donald has to say, you'll find it next to our stories on the Kardashians and the Bachelorette. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except you remember that when all they did was cover.

[Adam Curry]

I do remember that. They made a big fuss about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Entertainment section. Yeah, exactly. So although that was Huffington Post, it wasn't ap, but it's all part of the same system. This guy's suck. All right, I have first I have a little bit of outrage, and then I want to explain what's going on because it's just marketing, but that's not what the view. Ladies here.

[Unknown]

Yesterday, the White House announced a brand new path to us. To us residency.

[Adam Curry]

Spit it out with an expensive toll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take a look.

[Adam Curry]

Take a look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Selling a gold card. You have a green card. This is a gold card.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to be putting a price.

[Unknown]

On that card of about $5 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's going to give you green card privileges. Plus, it's going to be a route to citizenship.

[Unknown]

And wealthy people will be coming into.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our country by buying this car.

[Unknown]

They'll be wealthy and they'll be successful.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they'll be spending a lot of money and paying a lot of taxes.

[Unknown]

And employing a lot of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we think it's going to be extremely successful.

[Unknown]

Would a Russian oligarch be eligible for a gold card?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, possibly. Hey, I know some Russian oligarchs that.

[Unknown]

Are very nice people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

You know.

[Unknown]

Remember when Elon bought America? Yeah, yeah. He could have saved money with this. The way that he talks about it, it makes it sound like America's for sale to the highest bidder. I don't like that. But what I will say this is actually.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, hold on. Are we selling the country to the high.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, this is.

[Adam Curry]

I thought they were selling a citizenship to the country, not the country itself.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're selling off.

[Adam Curry]

Did I miss hear something?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you heard them right. But this is part of what they do.

[Unknown]

This is their job expansion on the existing Ethan EB5 visa program. I have some questions because those are basically meant to incentivize the best and brightest to come to America, to create jobs here, to hire people, contribute tax revenue. But I want to know, is there national security vetting? So, yes. Could a terrorist organization or a Russian oligarch come in and then just again, don't make it sound like we're for sale. Make it sound like you want to come here because you want to be in America now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you said it sounded like we were for sale. But if you really look at what President Trump has done here, it's just a rebrand of an existing program and it's not unique to America.

[Unknown]

More on that plan. Let's cross live next. Fraser Jackson, our correspondent in Washington. So, Fraser, we heard there from Donald Trump Russian oligarchs may be eligible. What more do we know?

[Adam Curry]

Well, as you heard that Donald Trump.

[Unknown]

Said the immigration program, which he said was legal, would be open potentially to possible Russian oligarchs.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said that they could potentially qualify.

[Unknown]

For the gold cards. He said that he expects this program.

[Adam Curry]

To be up and running in about two weeks.

[Unknown]

Now, it should be noted that there is already a similar program in effect here in the United States. It's called the EB5 Immigrant Investor Visa. And if you remember, during the first term, Donald Trump said that he was going to be raising the minimum for that card from 1 million to 1.8 million.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that entire system has now been.

[Unknown]

Scrapped entirely and seemingly replaced by this gold card system where the buy in fee is effectively $5 million. It's also not only the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not only a US kind of thing.

[Unknown]

We have seen this in multiple other countries around the world. It exists in Canada. It also exists places closer to home in the UK sorry, in the eu rather like places like Spain, Portugal and Malta as well. So nothing completely new here from Donald Trump. Effectively just raising the bar that it cost to get into the United States. But the line about the oligarchy will likely be picked up upon by the more, the more progressive parts of the United States political spectrum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like the View. Exactly. It's an existing program is called the EBM. I think EBM 5 and not like Sunny Hostin said is based on merit. No, it was about a million bucks, million and a half. And he's, he's just rebranded it to the Gold card and called it five.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it added some money to it. This has been going on in Canada forever. During the 1997 Hong Kong turnover, I think the Hong Kongers were moving to Canada, especially B.C. like by the dozens. And I think it was only $250,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what Trump should do? If I were the president, I would say you have the green card. We all know that's hard to come by. You have the Gold Card and then you can get the USA plus bundle.

[Adam Curry]

And Platinum car too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Platinum. You get a tote bag. You get a tote bag tour of the White House and, and you get a newsletter and that would be. He should keep going with that. It's very, it's very entertaining and we're all upset about it. How can we do four more years of this? I don't know if I can handle this. This media, they're so out of control.

[Adam Curry]

They'Re gonna have to charge. They have, they're gonna have to, I hate to use the word. Word. I'm going to use it. They're going to have to pivot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would they.

[Adam Curry]

Because they're succeeding.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're succeeding. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Because after they, if they, if they have their asses handed to them and in the midterms, they're going to have to pivot. I mean there's some signs of it now with the so called middle range Democrats, mid road Democrats, whatever they want to call themselves. I will, I should play this clip. This is not the same. It's kind of the same kind of thing. And there's a group that's just started up, if you remember the Lincoln Project and some of these, all these Trump haters, these Republicans. Well, there's a new group that just started up and there's a, I got a very short one minute clip, less than a minute about it from npr and they just had their first conference. It's called Principles First.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, wait, wait. Yep, Waiting.

[Adam Curry]

Principles first is conservative Republicans who believe in the old Barry Goldwater style conservatism, real Republicanism. They don't like what Trump's done to the party. They want to go back to the old ways. The old ways from 1964. None dare call it treason era. And so they've put the together. It's just a bunch of Trump haters, let's face it. Because most of the guys who are.

[John C. Dvorak]

In that, why don't they just start a group called Trump Haters United, you know, thu. Just, just do it. Just call it what it is.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. Anyway, here's the clip.

[Unknown]

Former Republican U.S. attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says President Trump's decision to pardon January 6th rioters is a betrayal of the American justice system. NPR's Sarah McCammon reports. Gonzalez made the comments during a gathering anti Trump conservatives in Washington, D.C. alberto Gonzalez served as White House counsel and then United States Attorney General under President George W. Bush. Speaking at the principal's first summit in Washington, D.C. gonzalez criticized several Trump administration decisions. It is a betrayal to the men.

[Adam Curry]

And women at the Department of Justice who were fired because they participated in the prosecution of the January six rioters.

[Unknown]

Gonzalez went on to criticize Trump's decision to pardon some 1500 people convicted in connection with the attack on the Capitol in 2021. He said the president has that power under the law, but said it was, quote, the wrong thing to do.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's about all. They had a report on it. But this has been, this little operation is something to keep out eye on.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what are they called again?

[Adam Curry]

Principals first. Principals first as in Prince. They're the high school principals, which it seems is what they're kind of thinking like, but they mean the principles of true conservativism versus Trumpism. And they think Trump's a bad guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, he's horrible. So I want to go to Doge for a second because I do have, I do have a question for you as a former government employee. But first, probably for one of the last times, and we did see her crying on TikTok. Did you see Joy Reid crying on TikTok?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, everybody saw Joy Reid crying on TikTok. My best is the side by side where they have a clip of her ridiculing people who cry and then her crying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel bad for her, so I'm not going to play that, but I'm going to play one of her, I think her Last show was this Friday. So here she is on the resistance. Americans, America, finding ways to resist. Resist.

[Unknown]

Doge, this regime, regime that we find ourselves living under is producing massive chaos and trauma in the lives of federal workers and in the chaos and trauma.

[Adam Curry]

No good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we can't have trauma workers.

[Unknown]

And in the country, just look at this latest round of protests at Tesla dealerships, at town halls. America is resisting in large ways, ways and small. America is saying no to Elon Musk running us. We do not want him in charge, period. And Donald Trump, the guy who handed his biggest donor the keys to the whole federal government for him to do whatever he pleases with it, is underwater in every single poll from Gallup to the Washington Post to CNN to Reuters, you name it. Other than his magic cult, nobody wants this chaos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, since you brought that up, I think it's hilarious. Do I have it here? I had a clip of CNN talking about. Because they have a poll now, they've got all kinds of polls. But let me finish with Joy Reid because she mentioned some blatant anti Trump news organizations there and they have their polls and all the country hates it. We resist it. Large and small, everyone. No, we don't want Elon running anything new.

[Unknown]

Give me an assessment from your expert point of view of the resistance that we're seeing in the country to all of the Doge, Elon Musk. Yeah. So as we know, we don't have a big generalized, non violent mass protest, but we have righteous indignation breaking out spontaneously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Righteous indignation. There's a couple of terms coming up I like. Righteous indignation. That's a good one.

[Unknown]

Breaking out spontaneously all over the nation. And Joy, I really believe that there's a reckoning that's going to come because what's happening now at the hands of literally the world's richest man who has taken control of our government and is using it to enrich himself in investigating, he's destroying agencies that have been investigating his companies. This brings forth such. It brings to a peak all of the unfairness of neoliberalism. All of the kind of the rich get richer. And that's one part of authoritarianism. It's more fewer rights for the many and way more liberties for the few. And so we're seeing a kind of indignation and anger that's erupting at local town halls in front of GOP members of Congress in their town halls. And so this is a very good sign of something larger that I believe will come.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so now is the term that I'm sure you know more about than most.

[Unknown]

As Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency in the Trump administration, administration more broadly, make efforts to reform government and eliminate needless waste, fraud and abuse. They're coming up against predictably negative press coverage from the mainstream media, which is often sympathetic to government employees and hostile toward efforts to reduce the size and scope of government. That's why you'll often see, read and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hear stories about how some attempt or.

[Unknown]

Another by Trump or Elon to change or mandate a new system or eliminate it is resolved, resulting in headaches for various people. For instance, you might have read last week that Doge's efforts to reduce the federal workforce as it pertains to the US park system was creating long lines. The Washington Post complained that the Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Administration had gotten rid of the only.

[Unknown]

Locksmith at Yosemite National Park.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was described as the only employee.

[Unknown]

With, quote, institutional knowledge needed to rescue visitors from locked restrooms. Sound. Sounds serious, right? Elsewhere, you'll see constant complaints from media that attempts to reduce the federal bureaucracy will hamstring our efforts to fight diseases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or have nuclear safety or keep airplanes in the sky.

[Unknown]

But what if there was something not entirely genuine about these difficulties? What if the federal bureaucracy, sensing a threat to its self preservation, was making things as awful as possible in order to scare the the American people into thinking government can only function if it is vast and unaccountable? We actually have a term for this. It's called malicious compliance. It's when someone follows a new rule so closely without applying common sense, such that they ultimately work against the rule, stated purpose, deliberately.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, malicious compliance. Is this a term you're familiar with?

[Adam Curry]

Actually, no, but I know the process because it's been done. It's a standard operating procedure for anyone unionized place. It's called slowdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yeah, slow down, right.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone's heard of that. But I did malicious compliance when I was working in the private sector as an inspector for trail mobiles. An interesting story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

There'S used to be one guy on the line of the line I was inspecting who was a kind of a amateur comedian. And I'd spent a lot of time chatting with him until one day, the foreman of that line, the manufacturing guy, he wasn't my foreman, he wasn't my supervisor, but he comes up to me and he says, you know, you're you. He chewed me out for wasting this guy's time chatting with him. And so I. And it was like, okay, you want to play that way? I Went back to the line and started tagging because there's lots of flaws that most inspectors just overlook because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, was this when you were a can inspector?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, this is a. This is tra. This is cargo containers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, you inspected cargo containers, too?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

For Pacific Cru, for Matson Pacific, whatever that company is. There's a bunch of different ones, but in this case they were aluminum. And so these containers would come through and I would just start tagging everything. Little, any little flaw, which normally you let pass because, you know, you got to get these things out. You can't just because everything's flawed. And so I just covered these. These containers with. With these red tags, and it's basically stopped the line because you have to go back and fix all this stuff, even though it's diddly shit. And so the guy. Within just a few hours, it didn't take that long. This. This foreman comes up to me and apologizes profusely for chewing me out and saying, you can do it. You know, I'm sorry. And he was just bending. He was just almost in tears. And that's what you can do if you're one of these types of people like me. So I can see malicious compliance. I never did anything like that when I was working for the government, but I can see how you can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So in these days of schedule F, if someone's. If government workers think that malicious compliance is the way they may find themselves getting canned.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I wasn't worried about getting canned for what I did in the trail mobile line.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but if they're locking.

[Adam Curry]

Most of the time, I disagree with. With that. I think most of the time, especially if you go with the way they described as malicious compliance. In other words, going by the book, it's very hard to can somebody when they can point at the regulation, say, look, this is what it says to do. I know we haven't been doing this, but now that I, you know, I'm worried about my job. I'm going to do this because it says I'm supposed to. So that's what I'm doing. Why are you firing me? Okay, this is what you can do this. It's doable and it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, the question is, how much resistance is there? Are people really upset? Is this just magnification by the M5M?

[Adam Curry]

It's magnification totally. Because everything I've seen so far is mostly, you know, employees on probation that don't know how to pull these stunts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Hold on we have data. We, we have data. We have data that people hate Elon Musk and Doge Data incoming. Cnn.

[Unknown]

Not anecdotes are not data.

[Adam Curry]

But we're starting to get Anecdotes are not data.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, here it is. She's got data.

[Unknown]

Not anecdotes are not data. But we're starting to get some data that puts numbers behind this. With 51% of respondents in a recent CNN poll saying that President Trump's efforts.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they bring in a CNN poll which is the same as Smirkonish. You know, it's like, well, just put some numbers together. We have a CNN poll. We're cnn. We have a CNN poll. We.

[Unknown]

Here's our data puts numbers behind this. With 51% of respondents in a recent CNN poll saying that President Trump's efforts to cut federal programs have gone too far. 54% say they do not support him giving Elon Musk this prominent role. And a full 53% are afraid or pessimistic about the rest of his term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the data is in. The data is in. Yeah, it's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Well, luckily the public's not watching cnn.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So I heard an interesting stat, it was actually on Fox News from this economist, I think it may be investor economist dude Gary Kaltbaum. Ever hear of him?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the thing is, there's so much, what's the term? There's so much difference in the numbers that everybody's giving on everything thing. Just like measles and the efficacy of the measles vaccine. How much money do we actually send to Ukraine, which is another one of those. Remember they kept sending 40 billion here. 40 billion. There was like the same number. 40 billion, 40 billion. So you kind of lose track of how many times we sent 40 billion. And you know, so some say, you know, the president says 500, then it's 350. Zelensky says, Macron says, no, no, no, we sent 60% of all the money. Everyone's all over the map with these numbers. And then there's also the Trump, you know, he spent $7 trillion during his first term, $8 trillion. And here's the guy Cultbaum talking about what was spent during the Biden administration.

[Unknown]

I think the best move would be.

[Adam Curry]

To first take down the debt, take.

[Unknown]

Down the size of government, which by the way is up 60 some odd percent since the year before. COVID That's our government spending and has quadrupled since the year 2000, which is quite the insanity. The biggest bull market and the biggest inflation. We do have is the size of our government that went unchecked with absolutely zero accountability whatsoever. So it is about time. So somebody's in there. And the more I see people complain, the more I know that they're probably.

[Adam Curry]

In the soup and have been a.

[Unknown]

Big part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's probably right.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's, he's completely right. But the thing is I, I keep falling back on my thesis, which is that this is just a giant jobs program to keep us out of the drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean? How does it keep us out of the drink?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you keep, because you, you're putting money back in circulation, you're keeping, keeping people employed, you're keeping them off the street streets. You're doing everything you can to keep things propped up and you end up with amounts to being a jobs program. And then if you try to straighten it out, it's going to cause an economic collapse at some point. 2026 is my prediction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we always said that as we were looking the ramp up to this election with President Trump, we always said the Democrats probably want him to win because the crap is coming. Everybody knows it, everybody sees it and they want him to deal with it. And I think he knows it too, and it's probably coming.

[Adam Curry]

He might be right. He might know it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's coming. Well, let's talk about migration for a moment as we have a big change in New York City.

[Unknown]

Over the last two years. The Roosevelt Hotel has been the first stop for more than 173,000 thousand immigrants in search of the American dream, which is now set to shut its doors in June.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today marks another milestone.

[Unknown]

Mayor Eric Adams making the announcement early Monday morning on social media. We are now in a place where we are asking, well, where do people go? This 38 year old mother of three arrived from Peru two months ago. She says they haven't told us anything. On the contrary. They told us that when they heard those rumors in the news that we should be calm, they're not going to move us. They haven't told us anything about getting us out of here or that they're going to close the Roosevelt. But the number of migrants in the city's care dramatically dropping over the last year after the city implemented a 60 day stay limit, purchased 53,000 tickets for migrants to relocate to other cities and helped nearly 100,000 asylum seekers apply for work authorizations. Not to mention the fears sparked by the recent immigrant crackdown factoring into a decline in new arrivals. Now, the closing of the Roosevelt Hotel comes Just a week after Deputy Mayor Ann Williams Isom, who has overseen asylum seekers over the last two years, it comes right after that. So it's a timely announcement. Right now we know that 53, three shelters will be closing by mid year and how exactly they're going to wind down operations here at the Roosevelt Hotel remains to be seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is going to be interesting. That is such a prime piece of real estate. Will they bring back a fleabag motel as the Roosevelt or turn it into a five star luxury thing?

[Adam Curry]

Well, in that report is something that I have in another report too. These are asylum seekers, I think mostly. Is that what we're talking about here? Because you brought them in. The family's from Peru. What's going on in Peru?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a problematic country, by the way. Peru. Interestingly enough, if you look at download statistics from podcasts, there's always a lot of downloads in Peru. But yet we get no donations from Peru.

[Adam Curry]

We don't have any because there's nothing happening in Peru. Some farm.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I think.

[Adam Curry]

Putting numbers up for the Midas Touch podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

The podcast Industrial complex.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap. You worked in a company that did that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I cannot confirm or deny.

[Adam Curry]

So. Well, let's talk if we're going to talk about these refugees. Let's get the refugee problem on pbs. I got a four parter here that's kind of interesting. Let's play these.

[Unknown]

A federal judge in Seattle has blocked President Trump's executive order halting the admission of refugees into the U.S. the judge said the administration had likely exceeded its authority by freezing the US Refugee Admissions, which was established by Congress back in 1980, it remains to be seen whether the administration will comply. While a lawsuit challenging the ban filed by some of the country's largest resettlement organizations works its way through the courts, we're joined now by Mark Hetfield. He's the president of hias. That's the country's oldest refugee resettlement agency. And the organization's also a plaintiff in that lawsuit. Thanks for being with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Jeff.

[Unknown]

So first, help us understand what the US Refugees admissions program is. How does the program work and who does it aim to assist?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure. So the program was started in 1980 by the Refugee act of 1980 to provide a safe and legal pathway for people fleeing persecution or war or conflict to come to the United States to either join with family or to meet foreign policy, humanitarian policy priorities of the United States government.

[Unknown]

So what was the material impact of this suspension? How were the refugees affected and your employees as well?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was devastating. And this was not just a mere suspension like it was in the first Trump term. This was a complete dismantlement of the refugee program because not only did all refugees, not only were all refugees stopped from arriving, but also all the processing offices were shut down, everything was defunded. So it's going to be almost impossible to start it back up. And in terms of the actual impact, for example, my agency had 621 refugees who were vetted by homeland security, approved by homeland security, had plane tickets in hand, were supposed to arrive in February, but they're not coming. Oh man, I love this organization. This is another religious based organization. This is the Hebrew immigrant aid society, who In 2023 I'm going to look up the 991 we play. The next clip had $128 million in receipts. So way to go, do gooders. They're very do gooders. Okay, let's go to the next clip. The plane tickets were literally snatched out of their hands.

[Unknown]

So when you say it's nearly impossible to restart this work, tell me more about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, to resettle refugees you're gonna have to have people that prepare their applications, that assist them overseas, that give them cultural orientation, that book their plane tickets, that then receive them here in the United States, which is what my agency, HIAS does along with the other non resettlement agencies. All of those things were completely defunded.

[Unknown]

Your organization is a Jewish organization. Many of the resettlement organizations are faith organizations. How does faith inform the work that you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, in the Torah, 36 times it's repeated to welcome the stranger, to love the stranger as ourselves. For we were once strangers ourselves. And so it's really a fundamental part of our history and of our values and not just going back to the holy books, but also our more recent experience in the 20th century, 21st century, the Jewish people are a people who know displacement. And so we are naturally empathetic, I'm sure.

[Unknown]

As you know, Vice President J.D. vance recently accused the U.S. conference of Catholic bishops of profiting off its work resettling refugees. Do you or any of the organizations profit off this work? Is that even a motive of yours?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. $25 million in salaries says differently. As far as I'm concerned. Just looking at the 20, 23, 990, it's the same with the Lutherans, although the Lutheran church distanced themselves from the Lutheran refugee program, saying, well, that thing was put together after world war war ii and we don't have anything to do with it. They just use the Lutheran name, which I'm sure is exactly what HIAS is as well. This is. This is a giant scam. And the Catholic Bishops Conference. Yeah, right. There's some nice salaries here. And good parties. Good parties. Good parties.

[Adam Curry]

Now. So clip three has a contradictory piece of information that I found interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a labor of love. This is something we have to raise money for because we can't possibly do it on the funding that the federal government gives us. It is a public private partnership. And so now we've raised lots of funding to welcome residents.

[Adam Curry]

Stop the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Public private partnership. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

So we have to raise money because we can't make it on the government. On the government money. We need to raise money. So wait a minute. Then what difference does it make that the government cut you off?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, no, I. I hear the contradiction. Exactly. And so now we. We've raised lots of funding to welcome refugees to the United States, and now none of them are coming, including refugees who themselves are fleeing religious persecution. Oh, so now you have to get a real job. That sucks. Because, you know, I think the government, something like seventeen hundred dollars per person, they place, and they just placing people. They're not housing people, as far as I know. Most of these organizations don't. They place people. And there's another thing in here. The highest foundation. There's a lot of. There's a lot of things going on.

[Adam Curry]

Here in this show. We have a term for this called sketchy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sketchy, yes. And then they have the highest and council migration service. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They talk people into coming. So let's go to the last part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Afghan people who supported us in Afghanistan. Afghanistan people who supported US Veterans and risked their lives or who worked for the US Embassy in Kabul. They can't come. People whose families were separated by conflict or war, those parents and children will remain separated indefinitely. Those kids are essentially being orphaned by this Trump administration policy.

[Unknown]

The administration, in its executive order, argued that the United States lacks the ability to absorb large numbers of migrants and in particular, refugees into its communities in a manner that does not compromise the availability of resources for Americans. This is an argument the administration makes fairly often, that resources are finite. What's your reaction to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

My reaction is that that's an argument that the Trump administration made in 2017 and that they themselves proved was fallacious in 2017 in the Muslim and refugee ban. President Trump commissioned a study to demonstrate how much resources resettled refugees cost the American taxpayer. But they looked at both sides of the ledger when they did that study, and they found that over a 10 year period, resettled refugees contributed 63 billion with a B dollars more in federal, state and local taxes than they took in services and assistance. So fortunately for us, while we welcome refugees because it's the right thing to do, it just also happens to be to the benefit of the economy, to the benefit of the country. Refugees are a blessing. They're not a burden. I love how he starts off by saying, we looked at what it cost the American public. And then without answering that, he says, but they really give us more to the economy than it costs without saying what it costs.

[Adam Curry]

Again, this is typical. They never report on numbers. They never give us numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you have to go into the 990, but you see there's a lot of money going around. This is actually one of the smaller ones. What was the one in Austin that Obama opened? Austin, and it was like a billion dollars a year.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Just good stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's good business to go on.

[Adam Curry]

With the horrors of this. We have some clips of what's going on with the Costa Rica movement. This is kind of interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Costa Rica movement, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're moving people through Costa Rica for one reason or another, which I guess they've been doing for a long time. And this will be. The clip will be Costa Rica BS 1.

[Unknown]

President Trump made carrying out the largest mass deportation in US history a cornerstone of his 2024 campaign. But there are reports he's unhappy with the pace of that effort so far. William Brangham reports now on a new come controversial tactic to carry out the administration's crackdown on illegal migration.

[John C. Dvorak]

This plane landed in San Jose, Costa Rica, last week, descending through a cloud of uncertainty. On board were 135 people deported from the US on a journey back to their home countries or somewhere else.

[Unknown]

None are Costa Rican citizens. There are 65 Chinese and 70 adults. They are families. Costa Rica is committed to voluntarily returning deportees to their country of origin in up to 30 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

The group, hailing from as far away as China, Vietnam and Ghana, were then bussed to a rural holding facility paid for by the U.S. costa Rica became the second Central American country after Panama to serve as a stopover for Ono authorized migrants being removed from the US by the Trump administration. Panama accepted almost 300 deportees who were initially held under armed guard in this Panama City hotel. Images of that group stuck inside, unable to leave, made headlines last week. We are providing them with all the.

[Unknown]

Necessary medical, food and comfort services and we will continue to do so until the last one of Left our country.

[Adam Curry]

Which is what was agreed with the United States government.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I never heard of this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, we've done some deals to get to move people around, but who did the deals?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who did these deals?

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think it was largely Rubio at the behest of Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but Rubio, every.

[Adam Curry]

Anything that's got to do with anything south of the border has got to be Rubio. He's like, you know, he's just definitely a Western Hemisphere guy. Let's listen to clip 2. By the way, is has an S.

[John C. Dvorak]

More than half agreed to be returned to their home countries. 97 were sent to a facility in the Darien Gap, a treacherous point of passage at Panama's southern border with Colombia, which is used by many migrants. Susana Sabalza is a Panamanian migration lawyer representing a Taiwan Taiwanese family, including a child under five who were sent to the Darien facility. Do you have any understanding as to.

[Unknown]

What the conditions are like in that facility?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I stopped it there because Taiwanese family. Is there something going on in Taiwan, the home of tmsc?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Very troubling country or tsc. Lots of problems. You know, it's heating up. China's going to invade any day now. Come on into America. You are a refugee.

[Adam Curry]

I. I'm just not getting it. We had the Peruvian in the other clip and now we got these Taiwanese. They're sneaking into the country. It just doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

We go to the third of the series.

[Unknown]

No, I haven't seen the conditions with my own eyes, but I've spoken to reporters who have, and they say conditions weren't pleasant. We have to keep in mind the children who are the future of humanity. Think of the children experiencing this type of trauma in a tropical refugee camp. I want to know that they are doing well and that they have good care.

[Adam Curry]

If we could get them out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our country, we have other countries that would take them. This new process using Latin American countries as a temporary bridge for deportees partly helps the administration because the US doesn't.

[Unknown]

Always have diplomatic relationships with some of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The migrants countries of origin. So by transferring them to other nations, it transfers the diplomatic labor of repatriation to them as well. This is a significant or even a.

[Unknown]

Mammoth departure from the practices of the past.

[John C. Dvorak]

Muzaffar Chishti is a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute. The President has made no secret of.

[Adam Curry]

The fact that he believes that he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Won this election using immigration, a calling card.

[Unknown]

And that message has not been lost.

[John C. Dvorak]

On every single agency head and cabinet member of this administration, they have decided that deportation machinery is now number one.

[Unknown]

Paragraph of your job description.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right?

[Adam Curry]

This guy's one of those, one of those internationalist organizations, you know, that's promoting moving the population of the world around so much that you have a global takeover.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, just the, just the talk of ICE and Holman and everything that's going on is, of course, having results. Here's abc.

[Unknown]

A month into President Trump's term, some border agents say his executive order on immigration appears to be working. They say migration to the US has significantly slowed. The Department of Homeland Security is also reporting apprehensions inflation have slowed. ABC's Matt Rivers is in Mexico City.

[John C. Dvorak]

Matt, how significant is this slowdown?

[Adam Curry]

It's stunning, Diane. There's no other way to put it, really. The amount of people arriving to the U.S. southwest border has plummeted since the peak months that we saw, let's say 18 months ago. We did start to see the numbers significantly slow down when President Biden was.

[Unknown]

Still in office, thanks to pretty intense.

[Adam Curry]

Restrictions that his administration had put into place.

[John C. Dvorak]

But President Trump takes taking that even.

[Unknown]

Further, essentially cutting off any chance at.

[Adam Curry]

Applying for asylum at the US Southwest border. Also, when you look at the people coming up from the south, you look at the Darien Gap, which is that land bridge between Colombia and Panama.

[Unknown]

It's a stretch of jungle that anybody.

[Adam Curry]

Wanting to walk from South America to North America must go through.

[John C. Dvorak]

The number of people that the Panamanian.

[Adam Curry]

Government has registered going through that jungle gap has plummeted to the lowest level that we've seen Since February of 2021.

[John C. Dvorak]

When we were right in the middle of the pandemic.

[Adam Curry]

So by any metric you look at.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, people have stopped arriving for the.

[Adam Curry]

Most part at the U.S. southwest border.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's even more interesting than that. We now have a term called reverse migration.

[Unknown]

Now, you say thousands of migrants are even giving up mid journey. Right. They're already on their way, and then they're going back home before they ever even reach the border. What does that tell you?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there were a lot of migrants that had essentially become stuck here in Mexico during the Biden administration. They were waiting for their asylum claims to be processed by using this application on their smartphones that the Biden administration has set up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Trump basically canceled that, in addition.

[Adam Curry]

To all the other restrictions he's put into place.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so what we're now seeing is.

[Adam Curry]

This new phenomenon called reverse migration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Essentially, you've got people from, let's say, Venezuela, Colombia, the two biggest emigration hotspots.

[Unknown]

Over the last few years coming all.

[Adam Curry]

The way to Mexico and essentially now.

[Unknown]

Looking around at the landscape and saying, you know what?

[Adam Curry]

It's not worth it to stay here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to run the risk of deportation. I know the Trump administration is not.

[Adam Curry]

Going to let me in. Therefore, they're making the very difficult decision to return home.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump, whether you like him or not, whether you agree with his policies or not, it has to be said.

[Adam Curry]

That if his goal here is to curb irregular migration to the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Irregular.

[Adam Curry]

He is wildly succeeding at that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, irregular migration, it's another term for illegal. Breaking news, Breaking news. Breaking, breaking. Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi, I have it here, presume my possession. Pam Bondi has sent a letter to FBI Director Cash Patel. Now, what did Pam Bondi say yesterday?

[Adam Curry]

Yesterday on the Jesse Waters show, she said. And she also called it breaking news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, we're breaking that she will.

[Adam Curry]

Release the Jeffrey Epstein Epstein files, at least some of them. Not the victim's files, but the files, which means the airplane logs today.

[John C. Dvorak]

And did she not say, Jesse, it's horrible what I have here on my desk. She had it on her desk.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she had it on her desk. And it was horrible. Horrifying and horrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dear Director Patel, before you came into office, I requested the full and complete files related to Jeffrey Epstein. In response. In response to this request, I received approximately 200 pages of documents, which consisted primarily of flight logs, Epstein's list of contacts, and a list of victims names and phone numbers. By the way, everyone has this. I have a copy of it. It's been out there since January at least. She goes on, I repeatedly questioned whether this was the full set of documents responsive to my request and was repeatedly assured by the FBI that we had received the full set of documents. Late yesterday, I learned from a source familiar with the matter that the FBI field office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Despite my repeated request, the FBI has never disclosed the existence of these files. When you and I spoke yesterday, you were just as surprised as I was to learn this new information, despite the fact that Pam Bondi yesterday on Jesse Waters said it was horrific, horrifying, it's unbelievable. By 8am tomorrow, February 20, the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files to my office, including all records, documents, audio and video recordings and materials related to Jeffrey Epstein and his clients. Regardless of how much information was obtained, there will be no withholdings or limitations. To my or your access. The Department of Justice will ensure that any public disclosure of these files will be done in a manner to protect the privacy of victims and in accordance with the law, as I have done my entire career as a prosecutor. I'm also directing you, you, Kash Patel, to conduct an immediate investigation into why my order to the FBI was not followed. You will deliver to me a comprehensive report of your findings and proposed personnel action within 14 days. So yesterday she was full of crap. She didn't have anything. She just says in this note.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why she, you know when she did it saying it's breaking news and she made a fuss. I was baffled by it because I knew something like this would happen. Some stuff calling tactic. So why. Why did she do it? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was. Well, but she lied. She lied by saying oh it's so horrible. We're going to protect the victims. But she didn't even have it. She. I literally got from a friend of mine in Australia. I got a zip file with the, you know, not just the written with the typed out flight logs and his address book which is moving, meaningless. I mean I have all kinds of criminals in my contact list.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course you do. Makes nothing but sense to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean diamond smugglers.

[Adam Curry]

I probably do too if I could find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on the computer that has the password to dvorak.org na so. Okay, there you go. But this is. That's kind of outrageous. She lied, you know. Know that's very disappointing.

[Adam Curry]

We have to just assume that all that a lot of this is show and she's, you know, she's the very telegenic woman who looks good on tv. That's all I can say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that's fine but that's. It's not. This is. I find this very disappointing. It's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Where's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you.

[Adam Curry]

I mean Jesse should get her back on today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Now what are. He can text her. He has her number.

[Adam Curry]

Text number.

[John C. Dvorak]

How come you lied to me yesterday?

[Adam Curry]

Pam on the. Lied to him. Did she lie to the American public?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's an outrage. Breaking. Breaking. Someone lied in government. With that I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the chicken worker. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. Deor.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well good morning to you Mr. Morning Sleep. Listen to graphene. The air subs in the water. The dames and knights out there in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning to the trolls in the troll room. Hold on. Trolls. Let me count you. There we go. You know what? Everyone was hoping that the news of the FB the Epstein files would break on the show. So peak trollage. 2135. Above average. Well above average. Well above average. Yeah. Yeah, because it's interesting. People like these guys got it all. They can tell us what's happening and all we have is disappointment for you. Yeah. You know, Pam Bondi is bad for the show. I'm just gonna have to say it. So those trolls are in the. In the troll room at Trollroom IO and I'm still waiting. James, he's got to fix that. He has those average. Some average numbers. Let me see if that thing is working again because he had this trollcount site. Oh, no, that doesn't work anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's short lived.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very short lived. Trollcount cotton gin. Okay, let's see. Oh, nice graph, but it doesn't really show me the averages. Oh, well, he'll have. Oh, man. After you dropped off, we had a big drop off in trolls. The minute clean feed borked, they dropped off.

[Adam Curry]

It was horrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Technical difficulties. Not good for the show.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not.

[John C. Dvorak]

These trolls are just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, not for the live show. It doesn't matter for the podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it matters to me. I mean, everything matters to you. I don't like trolls bailing. That's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Not good for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not good for the show. They listen@trollroomio. You can sign up and then you can go ahead and troll along with the best of them and bail whenever you feel like it. Or you can use one of the modern pop podcast [e-mail]. let's see. I'm going to recommend Fountain again. Fountain is a fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

You've been recommending it to an extreme. We should mention if you're going to start plugging stuff, we should mention we finally got our sticker on the Ashland speed car.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I had it written. Now, not just the. It's the Whelan's Mazda MX5 as she's been upgraded to this new competitive class.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's up there and she's got this in the back so people get to see it if they're following.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm amazed, honestly, that we're on the car at all.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we will. We'll stay on the car for a while, but then eventually we know what's going to happen eventually as to, you know, can we get a pit pass, you know, some days in the future? Yeah, we'll give you a pit pass. What's your name? Yeah, my name's Adam Curry. Who? You spell that. How you spell that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they'll remain loyal to us. And I should.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know about you. We got to go with the normal flow of things is the way things go. It's just. It's something you have to put up with. But they have a new shop they want us to play, which is shop.ashlandspeed.com. yes, you can buy a hat.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, there's T shirts and in fact there's an Ashland Speed Racing team T shirt with no agenda on the sleeve.

[Adam Curry]

That's cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think Scaramanga put this together.

[Adam Curry]

Scaramanga put a site together for him. I didn't know he was a web developer. Yeah, I thought he was an artist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's a. He's a web artist, I guess. Yeah. I'm gonna buy one of these. I'll get an Ashland Speed Racing. Although do they have it in different colors except pink?

[Adam Curry]

I think pink's fine for where you live. Fredericksburg, Texas?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. If you want to get shot. Yeah, it's great. Hey, son. What's wrong with you?

[Adam Curry]

What are you doing wearing pink?

[John C. Dvorak]

What's up with you?

[Adam Curry]

I'll see some guy wearing in pink out there. You know, we took a shot at him with the shotgun. Yeah. Bled like a little sissy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nancy, what you doing? Nancy? Ah, yeah. That's very cool. We're very proud of Ashland Speed. I mean we. We just.

[Adam Curry]

We.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, you know, I don't want to get. How can this be?

[Adam Curry]

We had a motorcyclist too. What happened to our motorcycle racer?

[John C. Dvorak]

We had a motorcycle racer?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you forget so soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. We had a lot of guys who have model cars. They race that full decked out.

[Adam Curry]

A robotics freak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we got a couple of those. We do. Wow. I feel women are just as good at racing as men. There's no difference. She's good. She's bold. Bold on the track. I tell you so. She has of course, provided us with value by promoting the show on her car. On her many cars. Be many more to come. And I'm sure we'll receive pit passes at least once. At least one time. At least once.

[Adam Curry]

Who are these doofuses? Why are they here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are these guys here? Get them out. And that's how the no Agenda show has continued to survive and in some years thrive. It depends. This is a tough time. I get a lot of emails from people saying I'm Broke. Okay, well, that's understandable. When you're not broke, then you can support us or you can do something else for us. Time, talent, treasure. We'll accept it all. We appreciate it. Anybody that supports us in any manner whatsoever. And of course, that does include our artists like Scaramanga, our artists who create artwork for us, which is a very, very valuable contribution because we feel it's good promotion for the show. It keeps it fresh. It's good for promoting. And the artwork for episode 1741 titled Nurse Injector. By the way, I needed to say something about Nurse Injector. I got a note from Jose and Ali Luna. And this is about Nurse Injector. She says, hi, there itm. We are Jose and Ali Luna. We've been wanting to write y'all for some time now. Hubby hit me in the mouse shortly after we married in September of 2021, and we never miss a show. My only complaint is that I become a no Agenda widow twice a week. As soon as the episode drops, Jose literally tells me byee and puts his ears in to take the dog for a long walk. In defense, if we listen together, we'd never get through an episode because we paused to discuss every single thing y'all say. Now she says, I'm a middle school teacher.

[Adam Curry]

Dogs are our biggest no Agenda fans.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a middle school teacher at a small private school in San Antonio, and hubby is a border Patrol agent. He is literally boots on the ground. And I beg that you please don't shame us for not writing sooner. I'd never do that. Now, as we are finally reaching out, the border has gotten significantly quieter than it was during the previous administration. Of all the things that made us say we need to write and then promptly got too busy, the thing that finally did the trick is Nurse Injector. It appears that they were being intentionally misleading. Now, you recall the Nurse Injector was the nurse who came on to tell that morning show that, oh, you should not get the black market glp. That's no good. Oh, you need the official stuff. So she says, it appears they're being intentionally misleading. Well, now, that's a surprise, huh? The thing that you, both of you, failed to focus on was the word aesthetic. She was introduced as an aesthetic Nurse Injector. That's a fancy way of saying she is certified to administer Botox and injectable fillers. Lips, cheeks, et cetera. Many Estheticians offices have started offering GLP1 options. The place I go for my facials has semaglutide on their menu. But they don't inject you, they send you home with it. They only inject the products mentioned above. So their introduction of that lady as an expert is probably not very accurate. Well, there you go. And we had said if anyone knows what a nurse injector is, let us know. So it's a Botox lady.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the aesthetic part was he had to add that look. Yeah, it's a Botox lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a Botox lady indeed.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, the does take some skill.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think it might put the Botox in the right spot. Or you freeze the facial.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you ever had men get Botox these days?

[Adam Curry]

Why would I. Do I look like a guy who's had Botox or would get Botox?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, do you look like a guy who's had Botox? No, not in the slightest. But do you?

[Adam Curry]

Well, thanks. Thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man. Open goal, please.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me. Let me just ask if you have. Because you do look at the guy who has.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, definitely not. I don't want to.

[Adam Curry]

Can you raise your eyebrows?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? No. Of course I can raise my eyebrows. I can do them independently. But I will say there's a lot of guys I know between 40 and 50 who are getting. Getting Botox.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Vanity, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Sure. You walk around. You can't. Oh, your mouth. You can't raise your eyebrows. I'm very vain.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like that. Yeah, no, I. I think the oil baron got Botox. I think. Anyway, the artwork was from our very. Is he married?

[Adam Curry]

Isn't the oil baron married?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's engaged. He's engaged.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's engaged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He's engaged. Yeah. The oil baron. Take that racist dog with you. She's racist. She's racist. Yeah. Tantanille scored the art with second in a row for. For these past two shows with three actually. She's had three in a row.

[Adam Curry]

No. I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. That's not possible. I think it's too. She complained loudly about.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she complained. That's what. She's the complainer. She was meant trying to block. Block her, but she keeps coming up with a good product.

[John C. Dvorak]

She had this good. We're not trying to block her. She has great product. This was the wild boar burger made in Canada, which quite good. Made us chuckle. It did make us chuckle. But there were some other choices that we.

[Adam Curry]

I used the F bomb one for Ness works for the newsletter. I liked it a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you like that one I like.

[Adam Curry]

I like that pop art look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know you do. It's kind of the. What's it called? Who's the guy with the dots? Yeah, yeah, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. Who are you talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

The guy with the dots. The guy Rosen.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not Rosen.

[Adam Curry]

Liechtenstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lichtenstein. There you go. Yes, the dots. I like the. No fraud, no waste, abuse, no agenda. Best podcast in universe. And you said it was by Red. Red did. You said it was no good because what, our names were too small. I think you said you didn't like the color.

[Adam Curry]

The line underneath is too small. You're always saying too small. Too small, too small. And what's it say under the word no agenda?

[John C. Dvorak]

It says the best podcast in the universe. I can read it.

[Adam Curry]

It's too small.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too small. There were a lot of nurse injector art pieces. Elon is a monkey. We're not going to use that. Interesting. Was blue acorns. No agenda. Graffiti. Graffiti Boxcar, which you didn't really know why he did that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I had nothing to do with the show, but I do like that graffiti. Besides the pop art look. I do like the graffiti look. And he's. One of the pieces is very authentic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always befuddling to me. Why you say graffiti?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why either. Yeah, that's what I say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And there's a good piece and I've collected this stuff, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

You collect graffiti or graffiti because that.

[Adam Curry]

I've collected graffiti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much, Tantanille. Outstanding work. And I already got people saying, hey, man, she's using AI too. Well, good for her.

[Adam Curry]

That's a hard piece to do with AI. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure AI is involved, but I was showing Jay some AI art generating material for the Microsoft thing, how it's changed. And we're. We're doing. Doing generating some pieces and it just has nothing but trouble when it comes to like getting curry Dvorak actually printed there without being just a mess. You know, it Greeks, everything. It doesn't really put words. It doesn't seem to like it. Oh, and so you. So I think most artists have to. They can create the outline, but they still have to go hand and put in stuff like the wild boar burger. There's no way that that came through as from the art Generator or from the Art AI machine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, speaking of AI, the latest parlor trick had me doubled over in laughing in laughter. Did you see the two AIs talking to each Other.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, if that's to be believed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's totally to be believed. And I'll tell you why.

[Adam Curry]

And then they went into high speed mode.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what's interesting. It's called Gibberlink mode. If you didn't see the video.

[Adam Curry]

I saw that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, for people who didn't. I have a audio for people.

[Adam Curry]

You have a clip play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I'm setting it up, but you keep interrupting me about how I'm interrupting constantly.

[Adam Curry]

But this is a bonus clip, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is why you stay tuned for the donation segment. So it's a laptop. The laptop is talking to a phone, each one running an independent and AI. This particular parlor trick was done during a hackathon. And I will explain what's really going on here after you're wowed by this awesome. Oh, no. AI is talking to each other in special secret language.

[Unknown]

Thanks for calling Leonardo Hotel. How can I help you today?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi there.

[Unknown]

I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkov. He's looking for a hotel for his wedding. Is your hotel available for weddings? Oh, hello there. I'm actually an AI assistant too. What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like to switch to Gibberlink mode for more efficient communication?

[John C. Dvorak]

So what's happening now is, you see on the screen that they're communicating with. With each other in Jibberlink mode, which you. You fell for it. Oh. Oh, it's high speed. No. Ham radio operators who.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't fall for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said it's some high speed mode. That's literally what you said. And let me explain why it's.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm explaining what the video said. I'm not buying any of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. What you are hearing. Anyone who has used ham radio digital modes in the past decade is chuckling because this is low. Literally the same protocol ham radio operators use to. To communicate digitally over high frequency. And it's probably about 30 baud. It is one of the slowest ways to communicate. And so these. These. This incredibly awesome. This incredibly awesome moment of AI talking in their own language. Jibberlink is maybe Olivia, or it's probably even slower than PSK 31. This is a very known protocol that works in audio. I mean, you can set this up yourself by getting the ham radio programs and do it. The only benefit it has is instead of transcribing the audio it's hearing, which requires much more intense processing. This can be processed by a Raspberry PI. But everyone's like, oh, oh. AI has figured out how to talk to itself. This is bull crap. And what it's actually saying. You know what it's actually saying?

[Adam Curry]

No, what's this actually saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

CQ CQ CQDX cq cq CQDX all right, thank you all very much to all the artists who uploaded noagendaartgenerator.com thank you, sir Paul Couture, for putting that together for us. A massive piece of value in your time and your town for keeping that running for well over a decade. And of course, we want to thank people who delivered treasures to us to keep everything running here for us to pay bills. And we will thank everyone and mention everyone's name who comes in over $50, not under that. For reasons of anonymity. I'll say up front, we appreciate everyone who does the sustaining donations. Check your sustaining donations at the beginning of the year. These months is when a lot of them expire. Credit card dates pass and you may not know it. You may not be notified. You can go to noagendadonations.com any amount, any frequency. It is all highly appreciated. But we do kick it with our top executive producer. These are the producers who send us $200 or above. That means you get an associate executive producer title, which is Hollywood level. I mean, if you ever get an Academy Award, you can always say, it was so great getting my first associate executive producer credit on the no agenda show episode 1742. And you can prove it because you can put it right there in IMDb $300 or above, you get an executive producer credit and we'll read your note. And we're doing that for Sir MF. He's from Pepper Pike, Ohio, and comes in with $333.33. Hey there, it's Sir MF. NFT. You guys continue to be the best podcast in the universe. Invaluable insights on the native ad media. I was recently inspired to start my own podcast called duality unplugged. Podcasting 2.0 is the best. Thanks again and here's to a blessed future. Well, thank you, Sir MFN ft. We appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

And now for our second and last associate or executive producer. We only had two today because we have. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that this is a holiday week. We always forget.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we do forget.

[Adam Curry]

Always, always screws us up.

[John C. Dvorak]

That hurt me. Yeah, sorry about that.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Ann of Gray Rock in Crozet. Cross it. You've been. You lived in Virginia. How do you pronounce this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Crozette I have no idea. I was 6. I don't remember.

[Adam Curry]

3 hours, 29 minutes and 67 seconds. And she says, ITM, thanks for helping me stay sane over the years, but especially during COVID Well, you're welcome. This is for my daughter, Lexi spillers, for her 13th birthday on the 29th. Ninth. All right. But no leap day this year. Oh, she.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a bummer. No birthday for you.

[Adam Curry]

She's four years old. We added we. So we added on the 28th. That's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What do most people do when your child's born on February 29th?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you have to put snow in its mouth and toss it away.

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think most people just celebrate. Oh, you know, Will, you know, it's not happening this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry I missed your birthday.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll do it now. We'll do it in three more years. You'll get one. Anyway, so she signs off. Dame Ann of Gray Rock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Emerson Trimble in Portland, Maine, is our first associate executive producer. Comes within $250 and balance is out. Another note coming up because Emerson says, thanks, guys, and we say thank you.

[Adam Curry]

And Ryan Tierney comes in from Steven City, Virginia. Another Virginian 245.97 Yak Karma, please. You've got.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then we have a very long note from Non Dame Maria in Hornsey. Now, since she is from the UK East Riding of Yorkshire, I'm going to read her notes because we have horn seed. Hornsey. Hornsey.

[Adam Curry]

Horns.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horns. Hornsey.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

May you pronounce it Hornsey?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we do covet our UK listeners because she's taken incredible risk.

[Adam Curry]

She's taking a chance by donating to be arrested for supporting our show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even just thinking of us. She could get arrested. I TM John and Adam with her row of ducks. 222.22 Long time listen or first time donor? Despite the many 33 signs over the years, it was finally the mention of our tiny town of Hornsey a few episodes ago as the bird flu epicenter of the uk as well as pseudonymous of Dogpatches note from the last episode that warranted this donation. Well, this is good because she's. Now we have producers donating to respond to each other. It's almost like AI jibber talk in response to Dogpatches note. Yes, publishers can use blockchain to have LLMs properly protect and attribute their work. In fact, the only thing blockchain is good for is censorship, resistance. Amen to that. And AI cannot circumvent this meaning it's possible for creators, authors, etc. To have parts of all their work used by LLMs and be proportionally attributed and paid automatically based on the slop they regurgitate. This is something my partner and I have been working on to solve and have an answer to. We run our own company designing and building applications specializing in public private key cryptography called this is bull. Bullish.design this is bullish.design last year we launched a proof of concept called Amber Ambr Link that solves the problem of human intellectual property theft. I'd experienced firsthand when as a young graphic designer, my work was stolen by a client with no recourse. Bastards. The same underlying technology can be used to give creators leverage over the usage of their own work within link LLMs. However, we cannot fight the great Slop machine alone. That's slop with a P. So if any of Gitmonation would like to help us beta test, please message us. This is at Bullish Design. This [e-mail]. i'm sorry, this is bullish.design and use code Bongino in your message for a free Amber top up. Finally, I'd like to request a humbly like to request a D douching.

[Unknown]

Band.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douched and investment karma, please and thank you for your karma from Non Dame Maria.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'd like her to read my latest Substack column that ran Monday on AI Copyright.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, the Oasis. I put that in the show.

[Adam Curry]

The Oasis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Dvorak.substack.com and you might find find it interesting? Yes, because I've been thinking about this too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? I see. The Kennedy conundrum. Abolish the income tax. I don't see. Where is it? Did you post it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it should be there. Kennedy conundrum is the one that I think maybe just ran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It should be out there. Well, I don't know what. Keep an eye out. Devorakta coming soon. It might be coming. I think I. I'm pretty sure I posted it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so.

[Adam Curry]

I have to go back and make sure it's in the right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Abolish the income tax. February 3rd and February 24th. The Kennedy conundrum. No, man, no, you didn't post it. Hope you saved it. Did you save it?

[Adam Curry]

Everything? What? Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it next to the password for Dvorak.org Shanae?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it is right there. Okay, so now we have Leon Atkins Atkinson in Mar. Oh, he's in Martinez right over here down the street from me to 1825. Fascinating little town. And he sent in a an actual note which is also long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here once again to mark my February 18th birthday. And to thank you for being a constant source of enjoyment and comfort. No agenda is the acme of podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that a compliment?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the acme means like the peak, the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I think of Acme, I always think of Roadrunner.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what you think. But if you think about maybe Harmoniker could be no Agenda. The best podcast in the universe. The acme of podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a T shirt, people. No agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Shop a check for $218.25. When I last donated, John mentioned one of the Martinez claims to fame, the Martini. In the past, San Francisco and New York have shamelessly attempted to take credit for the most famous cocktail in the world. But the evidence in favor of Martinez, which is where it was invented. I have documentation too, is irrefutable. There's a very famous guy that invented. He was a bartender and he to play some Martinez. Aside from the brass monument. I didn't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh wow, he's got a monument. That's pretty cool.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. E Clampus vitas in a one one act play was produced in 2017 that explained the entire history and evolution of this amazing elixir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was that off Broadway thinking? Was Off Broadway this play, you think? Yeah, probably.

[Adam Curry]

The play is called the Martini and the script may be purchased from from Amazon. I am the author.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

And I guarantee that any purchase who shouts in the morning while clicking the place order button will earn double karma that day. Says you. Speaking of known truth, I'm glad we got the guy who wrote the Martini play. Yeah, the Martini play. Leon Atkinson.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have the best producers in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

We have all of them. For years. It says, speaking of known truths, we now have 18 intelligence agencies in the United States. I think we have that number. I thought it was 19. For years the court was only. It was only 17. Count was only 17, which is a magic number akin to 33. I didn't know that. I think the newest agency is Space Force Intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'll bet.

[Adam Curry]

I only noticed this because my Google alert started tripping over mentions which are never about my consultancy. 18 intelligence corporations. This name is about wizards, not spooks. But here, here we are. Well, here's a. Here's hoping Space Force will someday discover the terrible secret of space. Another play, no doubt. Sincerely, Leon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks Le. And with 202.27. There he is. Our friend Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois. One of the Trump administration's newest appointments has left me concerned. Eli writes, with podcaster Dan Bongino becoming number two at the FBI, does that mean that websites will stop offering discounts using code Bongino? Fear not. As we lose one podcaster, we gain another. I'm looking forward to Joy Reid's new podcast.

[Adam Curry]

He says she's a tick tocker. She does that. I think that's where she's gonna stay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, that's a good point. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wanted a jingle. I hadn't queued up yet. Jingles. Donald loves Nazis. And we got a discount code for producers. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com use code ITM20 for 20 off your first order. Thank you for your courage and stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

[Unknown]

Donald loves Nazis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald loves Nazis. CNN say that he's kkk and he.

[Adam Curry]

Shouts, randy, is it wallet? Wallian Wallace in Georgetown, Texas. $200 in the morning. Randy from Georgetown. Rogan donation, first time donation is Rogan donation. First time donation as well. So please de douche. You've been de douched. Now it says dai do for Wild Hog in Austin. And deprogrammed with Carrie Smith is the woman who escaped the woke cult. Oh, yeah, we. Okay, so I don't know what Dai do is whatever, but he's buddies with that clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably a restaurant.

[Adam Curry]

We. We played that clip of Carrie Smith going, oh, you know, it's like a cult, you know? Yeah, hit this. His buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, this is his buddy her. Do some jingles.

[Adam Curry]

Keep up the great work. He says you truly are the best podcast in the universe. The acme of podcasts. Clip if possible, China is asshole. Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't trust China.

[Adam Curry]

China is asshole.

[John C. Dvorak]

And coming in with $200 is Sir Mark. We know Sir Mark from Greenwood, Indiana. He and his dame Maria always do those massive meetups. He says switcheroo donation for my best dame wife, Maria. Okay with put that in right now. Dame Maria. All right. Always happy to do that. To the best dame wife a knight could ever wish for on our sixth anniversary. I love you, my Maria. Love is lit. Karma for everyone. Sir Mark of the Greenwood Warden at the crossroads. Of the crossroads, you've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And we finish with Linda lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado, or LA. Last donation of $200. Jobs karma. Beat the job bots with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for the executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, the duchess and writer of resumes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. You almost got. It's a hard one. It's a tough one to do.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's because the spreadsheets cut off there. I didn't see the jobs part. Jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you to our two executive producers and our smattering of associate executive producers. We appreciate you keeping it rolling for us. It is tough times. It was a weekend holiday weekend, but we'd love to see more people producing the best podcast in the universe. We go through a lot of trouble. We try to give you the best service we can, and we appreciate everyone who supports that and recognizes that in our value for value model. Remember, you can go to noagendadonations.com to support us become an executive producer. I think you can still become a Commodore. See the newsletter for that in every single show notes, we have a link to subscribe to our newsletter and for Those sustaining donations. Noagendadonations.com Any amount, any frequency. And congratulations to these executive and associate executive producers and their credits.

[Unknown]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Tina already came and came in and gave me my glass of wine thinking the show was over, which means she's not listening, because then she would have known that we had technical difficulties. That's why people listen live, by the way. They got. They got quite a show. We probably spent about half an hour fixing stuff.

[Adam Curry]

No, rarely.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was about half an hour today.

[Adam Curry]

Today.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I said. Today. Fixing stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the way you phrased it made it sound like we do this all the time. Okay, yes, yes. That's what I look for, phrasing. But you can sigh all you want, Aunt Gigi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, you know, I heard it.

[Adam Curry]

I heard it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, hold on a second. Where is it? I have it here somewhere. Somewhere. Someone sent it to me. Here it is. I've got it. Here it is.

[Adam Curry]

I'll just have an apple in my room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's the best Aunt Gigi ever.

[Adam Curry]

So let's play this. This is a clip I want to play for one reason, which is to show you that again. We don't find out any. Any details, but let's play. The longshoremen deal has now been closed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is a new long. This is the existing deal.

[Unknown]

Union dock workers have formalized a labor contract. The deal makes them among the highest paid blue collar workers in the United States and removes the threat of a strike for the next six years. NPR's Giles Snyder has details. The workers represented by the International Longshoremen's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Association overwhelmingly approved the deal.

[Unknown]

The Union says nearly 99% of the ranks and file voted in favor of it. In a statement, ILA President Harold Daggett.

[John C. Dvorak]

Called the agreement with the U.S. maritime.

[Unknown]

Alliance the gold standard for dock worker unions globally. A three day strike at ports from Maine to Texas came to an end in October when the two sides came to an agreement on wages.

[John C. Dvorak]

But a tentative deal didn't come together.

[Unknown]

Until January when issues over automation were ironed out.

[John C. Dvorak]

The contract includes a more than 60% pay hike over six years. The deal is expected to take effect.

[Unknown]

When the two sides meet to sign it early next month. Trial Snyder, NPR News wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Didn't hear anything. Well, I guess NPR had it, but that's didn't hear any of that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I played the whole thing right to the very end where he signed off. What is the amount of money per hour? Because it's a working class group. How come they don't tell us?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think it is?

[Adam Curry]

This is npr. What kind of reporting is this? I like to know as a, as a hard working person, as an NPR supporter, as an, well, not really, but as someone who listens to NPR to find clips like this, what they never tell us, they never tell you, oh, a big strike's been resolved and they get more money. But what is the amount? Okay, I'll tell you what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I looked up. You looked it up. Yes, you did.

[Adam Curry]

After the six years is over, they'll be making $69 an hour. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was going to say about 50, $69 an hour. That's pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now it's a very dangerous job, but still it's pretty good. I have a few.

[Adam Curry]

But why don't they tell us this? Why do I have to tell you on a podcast?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why do you even play? I mean, why do we even come here anymore? I mean, someone literally sent you an email that said the problem with NPR and PBS is that you keep highlighting them and people keep listening because we're playing their clips. In fact, we are keeping them alive. There would be no NPR and PBS without this show.

[Adam Curry]

I think there'll be plenty. Did people listen to it in their car?

[John C. Dvorak]

So we can't leave today without talking about the Ukraine deal because Zelensky is on his way. We have to be here tomorrow. The Prime. Yes, right in time for the Epstein files. The. The Prime Minister of the UK was here. We talked about him earlier. He looked very wide eyed and like he was feeling nauseous.

[Adam Curry]

He probably had a bad flight.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot of things going on with the UK and with NATO, to be quite honest. Excuse me. So the original 2016-2020 deal that President Trump was calling for is you need to at least pay your 2.5% of GDP in arms, which means pay us, buy stuff from us to ramp up for NATO. Now President Trump is talking about 5%. And Keir Starmer finally went to Parliament and said, well, here's what we're going to do. Did you hear what his numbers were, what he's going to do and when he's going to do it?

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was like 2.7 or something along those lines.

[Unknown]

The British Prime Minister said the move amounted to the biggest sustained increase in defence spending since the end of the call Cold War one that was necessary in light of the threat from Russia. We will deliver our commitment to spend 2.5% of GDP on defence, but we will bring it forward so we reach that level in 2027. And let me spell that out, Mr. Speaker. That means spending 13.4 billion pounds more on defence every year from 2027. The government had previously set this target. But without specifying a timeline to pay for the 0.2% raise, Keir Starmer said he'd made the hard choice of slashing overseas development aid by 40%, a decision which has appalled aid groups. Starmer's announcement comes as he gears up to meet US President Donald Trump, who has long complained that European countries aren't pulling their weight on defence and who stunned them last week when his administration made clear that Europe, Europe should no longer count on the United States to provide its security. Defense spending in European countries has surged since Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine. And just seven European NATO members, including Italy, have still not met the 2% minimum target relative to GDP. The UK currently comes ninth among NATO countries, while Poland is now the top spender, allocating 4.7% of GDP to defence expenditure this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now go Poland. Poland's all in, so no one is even close and they're not even going to pony up until 2027. And yet they think that they can also build their own European army or I guess not the uk, but no one seems to be paying up the money. And I think what we're seeing here is a three way deal being made. There's rumblings of President Trump making some kind of deal with President Putin, possibly for aluminum imports. It appears that we will have a rare earth deal in exchange for security guarantees before I get to the fund. Zelensky News. Here's the BBC with an overview as they see it.

[Unknown]

Ukrainian officials say a deal's been reached between Kyiv and Washington on the joint exploitation of Ukraine's mineral resources. At the time of recording this podcast, the details haven't been made public, but reports suggest the US has dropped some of its more drastic demands. Rare earths, titanium, graphite and lithium would be hugely lucrative for investors and for Mr. Trump. Speaking from the Oval Office, he said they could be a way of recouping hundreds of billions of dollars of US Military aid to Ukraine since Russia's full scale invasion three years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lots of equipment and military equipment and the right to fight on and originally the right to fight. Look, Ukraine, I will say they're very brave and they're good soldiers, but without the United States and its money and its military equipment, this war would have been over in a very short period of time.

[Unknown]

Officials in Kiev say the terms of a deal have been reached and President Zelensky will fly to Washington on Friday, just a week after Mr. Trump called him a dictator.

[John C. Dvorak]

A dictator. So that blurt you heard there has caused a lot of confusion. President Trump said they'll give him the right to fight on. What? So people are confused about that. Here's part two of the BBC podcast report.

[Unknown]

We have spoken to Ukrainian officials in the presidential office here and on the condition of anonymity, they did confirm that terms have been agreed. And judging from the media reports, we can say that the deal includes not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just critical minerals and rare earth metals.

[Unknown]

But also it covers oil and gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. Ukrainian media also is talking about ports.

[Unknown]

And other related infrastructure. The agreement would establish a fund into which Ukraine would contract to be 50% of revenues that will come from developing mineral resources and infrastructure. And importantly, there is this reference that this fund would invest reinvest the capital in projects in Ukraine. And this certainly a positive signal for Ukrainian officials.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're saying that overall the conditions that this deal is offering is much.

[Unknown]

Better than what they had previously.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the fund that will be established.

[Unknown]

As part of this deal will not be completely controlled by the US as it was before. And now it's not clear the size of the US Stake in this fund.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think this will be established.

[Unknown]

Later during the talks. The most important thing is that the figure of $500 billion is dropped. And previously the US wanted Ukraine to contribute this amount of money because they saw that this is how much the United States provided Ukraine in terms of military and economic aid. And Donald Trump kept saying that he wants this money back, and Ukrainian resisted, saying that they received all aid in the form of grant and therefore they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have no financial obligations to return anything. So this 500 billion is an interesting number because it keeps popping up everywhere, including in this report from France. 24.

[Unknown]

Kemi. We've been highlighting the jousting between the US and its allies over Ukraine. Ukraine, where the World Bank's been putting a number on how much reconstruction will cost. That's right. It's over $500 billion to rebuild Ukraine after three years of war. The World bank conducted the assessment together with the European Commission and the United nations, saying the total is nearly three times Ukraine's expected 2024 economic output. The survey covered destruction that occurred since the February 24, 2022 invasion and the end of last year, and found that 13% of the country's housing stock had been either damaged or destroyed, affecting over 2.5 million households. That damage is mostly found in frontline areas in the east, north and south, where 3/4 of the destruction is concentrated. It comes as US President Donald Trump says he's prepared to host his Ukrainian counterpart to sign a peace deal with Russia. Reuters reporting that amid U.S. negotiations with Moscow, Russia may be willing to use a portion of its $300 billion in frozen assets to help rebuild Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's interesting. Trump is doing some interesting things. You know, they got their money anyway, Vladimir, so just let them have some of that. They'll rebuild. We'll take some of it back, I'm sure. Maybe we'll take all of it back or recoup 350, which is, interestingly, the number that everyone claims is actually correct. The amount of money that the US Put in there's.

[Adam Curry]

The number varies. I listen to all this stuff and it's like 200 billion is one of the numbers. 350 of numbers. 500 is number I never heard until recently. Now, that's a number. It's like, what? Wait a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

And meanwhile, Bloomberg reports this about Zelensky.

[Unknown]

And a dozen leaders from Europe and Canada are visiting Ukraine's capital to mark the third anniversary of Russia's invasion. The meeting to discuss security guarantees comes after President Volodymyr Zelensky said he would be ready to step down if it secured peace for his country.

[John C. Dvorak]

If to achieve peace, you really need.

[Adam Curry]

Me to give up my post.

[Unknown]

I'm ready. I can trade it for NATO if.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are such conditions. This is a guy who wants to get out real quick.

[Adam Curry]

He's going to get killed. And he's got houses all over the world. The guy's done a very good job of it investing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what, if you look at the list of people, whenever we give someone ammunition and arms, they kind of wind up dead. Have you noticed this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a lot of them do.

[John C. Dvorak]

The list is who do we have on the list?

[Adam Curry]

This guy must know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, he knows it. See, who do we have on the list? Who are some of the people who we've given.

[Adam Curry]

Gaddafi was a gate Gaddafi.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Saddam Hussein.

[Adam Curry]

Saddam Hussein is a classic example. But there's all kinds of examples.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Bin Laden.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we. This is armed. The tal. The.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this? Zelensky will never go back to Ukraine. Once he's here, he's going to stay here.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not buying, I'm not going to say that term, but I'm not. No, he's going to go back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right, Stu.

[Adam Curry]

Two. Premature for that. He, he may be over here planning his, his eventual escape and maybe because there's better travel agents over here that he can work with, not get caught. That could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poor guy. Yeah, poor guy. Poor guy. Poor guy. He got wrapped up in all this stuff. Poor guy.

[Adam Curry]

He's kind of a dick, but he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

He, he plays the piano with it.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, there's worse things going on amongst the trans community.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say it isn't so.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they can't get a passport. I got a couple clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown]

The President's executive order on gender identity.

[Adam Curry]

Is affecting some Americans travel plans.

[John C. Dvorak]

People who are trans or intersex or non binary say they're being issued passports.

[Adam Curry]

That do not align with their gender.

[Unknown]

Identity or other legal documents. Others say their applications are just on hold.

[John C. Dvorak]

And NPR's Jacqueline Diaz asked about their experiences.

[Unknown]

24 year old Louis submitted his passport application a day after President Donald Trump was inaugurated. That same day, Trump signed an executive order mandating that the federal government recognize only two sexes, male and female. So I was a little bit nervous about things. You see, Louis is transmasculine. He asked us to use only his first name because he fears harassment and rapid retaliation at work. A New York court had recently recognized his name and gender identity change and he needed a new passport to reflect that. But when he got his new passport, the name was changed according to the court order, but the gender marker just matched my previous passport and was not changed, even though the court order said to change it. I wasn't surprised, but it's a little disappointing. Now he's worried about where what this means. He's male presenting, and his other documents say mail. But his passport says something else. Like if I travel somewhere else, is it something that will be flagged or not? Trans people like Louis aren't the only ones facing issues getting new passports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please don't tell me you're going to say that NPR isn't giving you all the facts and telling you what the.

[Adam Curry]

Passport says, because that wasn't my intention. But. But again, they could have actually given us some details, but no, no, it's male presenting. Male presenting, Trans, masculine, non, binary. Come on, let's get this straight. Male presenting, male presenting. And the passport says male, but it should say something else. But what is that something else now that you brought it up? You're the one that brought it up. I'm just saying they left it out. Okay, let's go to part two.

[Unknown]

The changes are having a profound impact on intersex people. Those born with genitalia, chromosomes, or reproductive organs that don't fit typical definitions for males or females. Every time you're trying to define sex in these perfectly binary terms, you're going to impact intersex people who by definition don't present with perfectly binary sex. That's Erica Lorschbaugh, the executive director of Interact, a civil rights group for people with interest intersex traits. She's hearing from intersex people who feel at a loss. Now folks are feeling, I think, a little more like erased. Others are left in complete limbo. Wesley Ebling is trans, masculine, non, binary. Like Louis, he wanted to change the gender marker on his passport to male. He submitted it just before the inauguration, is currently suspended indefinitely by the State Department with the current executive order, and he has no idea when he will get a new passport or his old documents back. I had dreams of travel. My partner and I were planning trips later this year which have all obviously been put on hold as they've, you know, sort of put us transgender folks on almost an informal travel ban of sorts. A lawsuit filed by the ACLU is challenging the state to department's passport policy. It's still working its way through the courts, but for now, Louis, Wesley, and others say they will not be pushed aside and will continue to live their lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their lives. You know, this is. This is. They always do this when it comes to trans. They always bring in the intersex. Intersex Is a real thing where you have abnormal chromosomes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know nobody's denying that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. But they, that's what they're their go to. Oh well, you're a racing these people. I think the percentage of intersex is very, very low.

[Adam Curry]

Probably Aska any AI system has done less than 1% or 1% around 1%.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that percent is basically Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It doesn't take much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did I ever tell you that that I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis?

[Adam Curry]

No. This is a story for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I was hit on you because you're a good looking guy. Back in the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was back in the day. What is this Dvorak? I'm still a stud.

[Adam Curry]

Back in the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

I digress. It was probably 19. When did Footloose come out? So Footloose came out. I think it was either foot. I interviewed Kenny Loggins and maybe it was Top Gear. I can't remember. But then. And oh yes, because we're doing something for the MTV Awards. I was in Los Angeles and then I interviewed Jamie Lee Curtis and it was right around when Fish Called Wanda was coming out and it was at her house and I remember it was that she said. So it was after we were done recording and we're just chatting and she says something to me and I don't get the joke. And she says, Adam, don't you know I was born a hermaphrodite. And I'm like, what? Says yes, my parents chose female for me, but probably was the wrong choice.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she said it was probably the wrong choice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that. That was probably the wrong choice for her. Isn't that interesting?

[Adam Curry]

That's breaking breaking news because she looks like a dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

She looks like a dude.

[Adam Curry]

She looks like a dude now. She was really attracted attractive back in the day as a girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, yeah. I just remembered that story. That was a long time ago. That was a long. It's like 40 years ago. 22,002. 35 years ago. It was a long time ago. It's amazing. So she had both for. For trolls who are confused.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's pretty well known.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you'd be surprised how many people don't know that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm just talked about it it in public a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well back then 1990 I didn't know anything about it. I'm a little upset. My sports ball game is. Is under attack. As you know, I follow soccer. No, as you know, I follow football very closely. Soccer. No, no. Football.

[Adam Curry]

It's called football.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Here in America. I Follow football very closely and I'm sure you do. I do, I do. I know all of the teams, I know all the stats and I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Oh really? You do now you know the teams?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I'm very. Yes. The Baltimore Orioles are my favorite football team. I'm very upset about the Tush push.

[Unknown]

You've likely seen it before. Gotta go for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Surging forward is hurts.

[Unknown]

The brotherly shove or so called Tush push when an NFL team has about one yard or less to go to get a first down or a touchdown.

[Adam Curry]

Hurts on the sneak.

[Unknown]

The offensive line and quarterback dive forward while players behind behind help out. But now the play could be banned. At the NFL combine in Indianapolis this morning, the general manager of the Green Bay packers confirming his team filed a motion to get rid of it. The play has been examined by the NFL and the competition committee in previous offseasons, but no action has been taken. Some consider the play unfair. There are also safety concerns.

[John C. Dvorak]

You already have to block 350 pound monsters. It can't be good for your spine and long run.

[Unknown]

According to ESPN research, the Philadelphia Eagles and Buffalo Bills have combined to run 163 TUSH pushes the past three seasons, more than the rest of the NFL combined. Scoring a touchdown or achieving a first down 87% of the time compared to a 71% conversion rate for the rest of the league.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not in this report, but I understand the Green Bay packers still want the Tush push.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. They're the ones who filed against it. It said right in that report.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole point is the joke that they don't like the Tush push. The path.

[Adam Curry]

Well the whole thing is a joke because it's really. They the rules used to be I'd say 20 years ago you couldn't push. You couldn't push a player or grab a player and pull him if he had the ball. If you're on the offense, you couldn't do that. You couldn't push him, you couldn't grab him, you couldn't pull him, you couldn't do anything like that. It was just the rule. And then they changed it so. Well, what difference does it make? So they allowed this and then over time what was the originally the quarterback sneak, which is the same play. Exactly. And it's causes the same injuries if there are any. The quarterback sneak was evolved into this thing where somebody said well you know why he's sneaking, let's push him. And so they started doing that and only two teams can do it well and those are the Two teams. They mentioned specifically Philadelphia. But those guys you for the reason it works so well with them is because you have, in the case of the Bills, you have a huge guy who was the quarterback. Quarterback. This guy's a monster. And then you have this other guy on this Philadelphia team who can bench press 600 pounds or something. These are just two strong dudes who could probably still make the play work without the push. So this is bull crap. Not that anybody listen who listens to this show cares about these details.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry I brought it up. All right. Before we go to thank some more more producers who supported us financially, I do have good news. There's a possible exit strategy for Adam and John. Finally. And the. This comes from Canada and it's a medical breakthrough and we can, we literally can make so much money if we participate in this exit strategy. First, I need to know if you're interested.

[Adam Curry]

We're interested in all good ideas. I got to tell Tech Grouch lined up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

I'm getting closer because I had to get a new Tech Grouch cap. You're going to just order some new Tech Grouch glasses.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to do Tech Grouch but not going to do the microphone company or the vinegar book?

[Adam Curry]

No, they're all coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is a possible Adam and John. No agenda exit strategy.

[Unknown]

This trio of medical researchers is hyper focused on an area of study most of us would flush over poop. Together they have launched the world's first overview of poop pills designed to extend the lives of advanced pancreatic cancer patients. The team is searching for healthy poop donors who can offer hope to patients currently facing a five year survival rate of less than 10%. The two year phase one fecal transplant study will see patients consume a large quantity of tunnel tasteless and odorless pills in one sitting. It's hoped the microbes inside each capsule will offer cancer patients a better chance to fight their tumors during chemotherapy. Already, poop pills have improved the lives of those battling other types of diseases and cancers. But you might be surprised to learn that the best type of human poop is in short supply. Only one in 43 samples passes the quality test. Those who do are coveted by the team.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you are, you really have like golden poop and you can really save lives. John, we can save lives and become millionaires if we have the golden poop. I think we should try out.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God. You and Greg Gutfeld with this story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he have this story? I Didn't know that.

[Adam Curry]

I know. Before you play the thumper there, let's play the WaPo News. So we have this up to date because this has got all the journalists in the world bent out of shape.

[Unknown]

Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos announced today that the paper's opinion pages will focus on defending personal liberties and free markets. In a social media post, Bezos says he told employees that, quote, viewpoints opposing those pillars will be left to be published by others. Critics say it's the latest rightward shift at the Post under Bezos aimed at pleasing President Trump. Bezos insists that newspaper papers these days should not offer a broad based opinion section, saying that the Internet does that job. Following today's announcement, the Post's opinion editor, David Shipley announced he is stepping down.

[John C. Dvorak]

They should always quit. They should all resign. They should all get out. Show Bezos that without them they don't have a paper.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Unknown]

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we do have a night to bring up on stage today. Even though I didn't see a donation note, I'm not sure if that was a layaway note or.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was a layaway or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't see any, any extra info about that. We of course have a meetup report and some meetups to talk about and. And John's tip of the day. Who would want to miss that? You don't want to be that person. It's a bad idea. Supply. So John is now going to thank the remaining donors $50 and above who supported us for episode 1742.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Starting with Summer Worth. Summer Worth. And Standish, Maine. 150. She thinks of the governor there. Ash in Texas. Ash in Texas. 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5. Ben Blessing. Do we have any interesting names?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ben was a blessing. Ben, he's been a blessing all his life.

[Adam Curry]

He's in Lubeck. Lubeck, Deutschland. $111 ITM.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says nice.

[Adam Curry]

Melissa Adams in Bon secour. Bon Secour, Alabama. 105. I'm sure it's pronounced some other way. 105. 35. Kevin McLaughlin. There she. There she is. There he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to him stop donating now.

[Adam Curry]

You're making him stop doing anything you've donated. Well, I said she because he's always referring to boobs. And this donation is no exception with the 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna. We all know that. And he lover of American Boobs. Brian Kaufman in Scottsdale, Arizona. 7575 Brian Beckema, Becama, Henry. Brian. Brian Kaufman is not Henry Becama in Victoria bc, the beautiful town. Anyone that gets a chance to go visit Victoria BC is dynamite. VE7xkj73s and his donation 7373 is a ham.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's. No, no, no. Harry Becama is donating on behalf of his neighbor who got his call. Victor Echo 7X Ray Kelly @ Kilo Juliet.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm glad you read the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do.

[Adam Curry]

Which is? Yes, Tim. Tim gekkas in Bellevue, Nebraska in 7373.

[John C. Dvorak]

He recently passed his technician exam and we welcome him to amateur radio. Kilo Fox Zero Tango, India Alpha 7373.

[Adam Curry]

So that's a donation. People should consider if they're hams or they should become hams. By the way, it's not that hard. No, especially if you're a techie and.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can talk gibber. Speak with.

[Adam Curry]

With the AI Christy Jensen in Huntington Beach, California. 6611. I Y K Y K. I spelled it out for you, John. If you know, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's the 6611 donation. Isn't that the dangling balls?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, sir. Don 6006 small boobs. Dame Denise, 60. She's turning 60 on February 18th. Well, she's already passed that date, but we'll give her a call out today.

[John C. Dvorak]

She also asked for Grandbaby Making Karma. I will play that at the end for her.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure it's not for her.

[John C. Dvorak]

She said, well, she's going to be a grandma. Oh, a grandbaby.

[Adam Curry]

Grandbaby. Okay. She wants a grandkid. Okay, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They'll get it. Ser Stone 58. 809. Please review and promote site if you can. Blybid.com b l y b t dash y b t dash y dash b dash d dot com educational site for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drugs and the interactions they have with our species.

[Adam Curry]

Christine Hines, Manchester, N.H. hampshire. A5555. John Huling in Chanhassen, Minnesota. 5550. He's going to eat an apple in his room. Sir Lucas In Federal Way, Washington is.

[John C. Dvorak]

An Aunt Gigi donation. Bro.

[Adam Curry]

Aunt Gigi donation 5555. 10 from Sir Lucas of the Lost Bits. Also 5510 from West Stewart in Mesa, Arizona. He's the Basin of Sun, Arizona. Basin of the Sun, Arizona. Sorry, my reading's off. Today, Scotty in Madrid, Maryland. 5510 Madrid, Maryland.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, he's from Madrid, Spain. Maryland. So it's Madrid.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Madrid. That's Madrid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, one of my favorite Espana.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I see the Es. Sorry, my mistake. Another Spaniard. And he says right there, not Maryland. That's funny. Now we have a blank. I don't know. You got anything in this cell from Lincoln, Nebraska? Anonymous? 55.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have nothing in the cell.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, whoever you are. Surprise at Yukon, Oklahoma. We haven't heard from him for a while. 54, 44. Aaron Newberry in Littleton, Colorado. 5307. Claire Hedges in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. I got that one right. You got a birthday call out. 5272. These are all $50 donors. I'm just going to do. Read these as 50s. These are 5272s, but the same thing. It's just got the fees starting with Bruno. Freitas das Santos in San Francisco. Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina. Christopher Hodges in Union, Mississippi. Brian Belton in Ashbury, New Jersey. Catherine Deem, D I E M in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Nancy Wise in Powhatan, Virginia. Charles Tracy in Hickory, North Carolina. Sir Bix in. What is this? Frills? Frillsing. Frillsing. Hong Kong. Is that where that is? No. Hr. Hungary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hungary, yes. And he wants a jobs karma, which you'll give him.

[Adam Curry]

Vital de la Torre. Vital de la Torre. Rivas. And God knows where he's from, but he's not from around these parts.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

5028. Alex Vidal in Pembroke Pines, Florida. Melissa Alvarez and Ponte Verda Beach. This is Vedra. I guess it's Vedra. 50. It's like that's an oddball when it's 5001 and back to the 50s. These are all real 50s. Brett Denton in Boise, Idaho. George Wushette in Lavernia, Texas. Where is that where you are?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea. No idea.

[Adam Curry]

Florian Anka Inca in Rutlinghausen, Denmark. Or Denmark. I'm sorry, Deutschland sent an email to Adam. I hope you responded to it for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I haven't seen all of my emails. She sent a. I'm seeing it here, very long one. And she says, big thank you for the time and effort put into the no Agenda show. And I will read it and I will respond, I promise.

[Adam Curry]

Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon. John Taylor in Florissant, Colorado. Richard Gardner. I think he's in New York. Could be wrong. Joshua Baker in.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the guy that becomes a knight today.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there he is. No note. I'd like to be knighted. There you go. No note. I have no delusions of anything. He says, I don't want to be talked about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pseudonymity. He says he's just going to be Sir Joshua Baker. He's going to. With that.

[Adam Curry]

His regular name, Jules in Glendale, Arizona. 50. And he's no longer a douchebag, so we'll give him a D. Douching, you've been de douched. And we wrap it up with, I guess this Joshi jockey. Jackie. I don't know how you pronounce this. And he's in. Or he. Or she.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd say Jackie.

[Adam Curry]

Jackie Wetler, Grand, Michigan. Henry Keon in Alito, Texas. Or Harry, I'm sorry. Michael Myers in Mandeville, Louisiana, wraps things up. But there is a note from somebody here. Came in on a sheet of paper. And when people write in and drop off a check, we like to take a look at it. She's, oh, this came from Denise Robertson, the queen of Cobalt programmer. She says, for your producers that work for the up usps, I have a failure. And John's just sent a check philosophy. I mailed a card with a check in plenty of time to get my smoking hot husband's birthday on the list for 2, 4. I've been listening intently for the donations. No. Happy birthday, Fred Robertson. Hope this gets to you soon. But sometimes the mail coming from some parts of the country is a $60 donation she gave us. I think she. I think he's on today's list. Yeah, sometimes it gets slowed down, sometimes it's pretty quick, but it comes. You eventually get it so good for the United Postal Service. I talked to my post office workers recently about the. About the latest, and they. They're not that freaked out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, are you done? Do you have you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, because I actually have a clip about the United States Postal Service from our new Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick. He had some genius ideas.

[Unknown]

So the concept was, I'm sitting with the president and the costs of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Post office are like, it loses $7 billion.

[Unknown]

And he said, can you do something with it?

[John C. Dvorak]

And I said, sure.

[Unknown]

So I saw him the next day. He goes, okay, what do you got?

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, he gives me a whole.

[Unknown]

24 hours to figure it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I said, well, the Commerce Department.

[Unknown]

Does the census, and we spend $40 billion every 10 years doing the census.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that means we hire 625,000 people.

[Unknown]

And they go, and they rent cars.

[John C. Dvorak]

And gas and you pay them Food. And you know what they do? They go to every household in America and count the people. What department do we already have that.

[Unknown]

Already employs 625,000 people?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's got cars, already has gas, goes to every household. Can you imagine saying to your post, can you count the people in the house?

[Unknown]

What day could he do the census?

[John C. Dvorak]

Monday.

[Unknown]

Could he double check it on Tuesday? How about Wednesday?

[John C. Dvorak]

He goes every day. So we can only save $40 billion.

[Adam Curry]

Or 4 billion a year, and we'll.

[Unknown]

Do a better job. And you know what else we can do with the post office?

[John C. Dvorak]

They can go to your house when you have a baby and give you the form for Social Security. And the 20,000 Social Security offices that.

[Unknown]

We have, we just don't need it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We actually can do real customer service.

[Unknown]

Go right to your house. Someone died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's the forms. You can fill it out.

[Unknown]

I'll bring them to your house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Customer service.

[Unknown]

Why? Because we've got sets of the government.

[John C. Dvorak]

To make us better and save us money. We can be smart. You know, we're loud. Okay. United States Postal Service.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course, none of this will ever happen in a million years, but it's a. It's a great idea. You know, Lutnick is the guy that. That Musk pushed to become the Commerce Secretary. Secretary of the Treasury. No, Commerce. I think he pushed the Secretary of the treasury, and then he got bumped to Commerce by Trump. Oh, he didn't take Musk's advice on this guy, but he is a big. Musk's a big fan of this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, innovative idea. I can already see our postal workers, who are big podcast listeners, rolling their eyes. I'm sure they will email me. They are sure they will.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We'll be dropping off some forms any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minute now, and before we get to our birthdays, et cetera. Pam Bondi or no, the FBI has just released the first 22 Epstein documents, not to the M5M, but has posted it on x vault.FBI.gov Jeffrey Epstein. It's not loading for me, but apparently the first documents people are opening has all kinds of words like child prostitution in it, so we'll find out about. Oh, here it is. It opened for me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now your. Your complaint about bonding needs to be pulled back. He had to claw it back. Claw back.

[John C. Dvorak]

She released something. Yeah, there's something here. It's so. Yeah, it's 22 documents, and it's in the FBI vault, so there'll be plenty of work to do after the show. And as promised, we will hand out that grand baby making karma with little jobs added to it.

[Unknown]

For other producer jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs, let's vote for jobs Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you all for supporting the no agenda show $50 and above. We never mention anything under that for reasons of anonymity. And remember, you can always have those sustaining donations set up. Go to noagendadonations.com set it up. Any amount, any frequency. And one one more time I'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1742. Those credits work anywhere including IMDb nr.com and are good for life. Thank you all for supporting us once again. Noagendadonations.com Our list for today includes Dame Denise who wishes her smokin hot husband Fred Robertson a very happy birthday. Now that's a belated birthday because he was celebrated on the 4th. Leon Actinson celebrated on the 16th. Dame Denise turned 60 on the 18th. Sir recalcitrant crazy Steve II says Happy birthday to the Duke of San Francisco. He'll be celebrating on the 28th. Dame Anne of Grey Rock says happy birthday to her daughter. Lexi Spillers turns 13 on the 29th. Which of course we won't actually be celebrating celebrating because there's no 29th. Claire Hedges wishes Pierce Chidley of Melbourne, Australia, Happy Birthday turns 40 on March 12th. And Nancy Wise says Happy birthday to her husband Chris. As do we. Happy birthday to everybody here for the best podcast in the universe. No title changes, but we do have Joshua Baker, who doesn't care about his pseudonymity. So bring out.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very visual Blade. Yeah, perfect. Joshua, come on man, step up to the podium. You're about to become a Knight of the no Agenda Round Table thanks to your undenying, undying support of $1,000. We appreciate it so much. I'm very proud to pronounce Kate the as Sir Joshua Baker for you. We have hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay prostitutes and nice cigars. We also have Polish potato vodka. We've got harlots and Halloween doll. We've got redheads and ryes, beers and blunts, Rubin esque lemon and rose geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider, Nescores, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always here at the Round Table, mutton and mead. A true staple for every no Agenda knight and Dame. You, Sir Joshua, can now go to noagendarings.com let us know what your ring size is. There is a handy sizing guide right there on the website and give us an address. And as always it comes with wax to seal your important correspondence and a certificate of authenticity. Welcome to the no Agenda roundtable of the knights and dames, Sir Joshua Baker. That's right, the no agenda meetups where you get the connection that brings you protection. The people you meet at a no agenda meetup which are all producer organized will always result in the first responders you call in any emergency. And you also kind have a nice beer and some snacks. It's always a lot of fun. We have noagendameetups.com as our website where you can go and find all of them. And recently we had the Oregon Local 33 meetup and they sent in a report.

[Unknown]

This is Tim Certanti back in Oregon at the Oregon Local 33 in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Liam sir they them of Portland. And greetings from the People's Republic of.

[Unknown]

Portland in the morning. This is Dame Emily. Hey, it's Max night of pdx.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have a wonderful careful something or other.

[Adam Curry]

This is Tim.

[Unknown]

This is my first meetup. I should have gotten the venison burger but the burger that I got was also very good. This is Rhonda. Greetings from Portland. Rob here. Have a good one. This is Hillary and I need a de douching.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Calvin, five years, still a douchebag.

[Unknown]

This is Daniel. John. I've been following you since the 90s.

[Adam Curry]

Jesse Collins.

[Unknown]

This is B from Portland in the Morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, the Portland crew there. And there are many more meetups taking place around Gitmo Nation today. In fact at 6 o'clock the North Georgia Monthly meetup at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia. On Friday the Duke of San Francisco birthday bash. Well that's nice. That'll be at 6:33 at tornado. Tornado. It says Toronto, San Francisco, California.

[Adam Curry]

Tornado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Toronado. Tornado. You should go.

[Adam Curry]

I can't, it's Friday. I've got things to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got a substack?

[Adam Curry]

Suppose Saturday. I can do Saturdays I can't do Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have important things.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what do you do on Fridays that I'm unaware of?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have a family dinner usually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh that's nice.

[Adam Curry]

But this particular Friday there's a massive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Protest that you're going to.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to the protest of protesting government.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're gonna walk out on Saturday, March 1st flight of the no Agenda number 60. This is Leo Bravo who organizes them all the time. 60 times in fact. 11 o'clock at Marina Cafe on Saturday in Wilmington California and the meeting in the Desert, 2:00 on Sunday. Our next show day, March 2nd sawmill in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The fuzzy press is organizing that and we do have another meetup on Sunday. It's a central Jersey. We drink and we know things. Meetup apocalypse or season of Reveal Edition 2 o'clock at 3BR Distillery in Keyport, New Jersey. Many more meetups to be found at NoagenDameetups.com Go take a look. There's a lot of them you can particip. It's producer organized. They are free. You might buy yourself a drink or someone else a drink, but you will meet people that you will enjoy for the rest of your life. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, start one yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party time. Now in the program where we select an ISO, that's a little snippet that we'll use at the end of the show. I see you only have one today. That's rather surprising.

[Adam Curry]

This is the carryover. You said I should carry this one over.

[John C. Dvorak]

You took it easy. You laid back, kickbacked and went, I'm just going to carry this over. I'll be good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I just figured the way things are going, I'm good to go. But I'm not sure once you play yours and we'll find out. As long as you're happy, I'm happy. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's one. That's one. And I have this one. Oh my God.

[Unknown]

I used it all the time now. It's so great.

[Adam Curry]

Too ep. Too echoey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too echoey. And then here's yours.

[Unknown]

Try and top that for a killer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show this, you're gonna have to find a new one because this can't carry over. It's too good. It is just too good. Now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everybody's highlight of every program. John John's tip of the day.

[Unknown]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so I have a habit over the years because I cook a lot of trying various seasonings that are produced by commercial vendors that, you know, do one thing or another. And I want to recommend one. I've recommended badias I think already, but this is one. This is kind of a Greek this. This is a Greek seasoning. That's not the typical Greek seasoning. And I will mention that there's a lot of these things are quite important to a lot certain cuisines. And I will mention Tony sees for One that's not the today's tip. But if you cook, you know, people are saying when they cook in Cajun style, you put some of the caj and spicing, put some of this in. It's always Tony Sees. And it comes in a green thing and it's Tony Sees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tony Sees.

[Adam Curry]

Like Tony, Tony Catch your era, I think. But it's called Tony Sees. It says Tony Sees. And if you don't use Tony Sees or know about Tony Sees and you never cook, you know, Southern style cooking, because everybody uses Tony Sees. There's, there's competitors to Tony Sees. Emeril has a seasoning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this bam. That's all just fake news. It's not. Emeril is nothing close to Tony C.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Tony C is the stuff you want, but this is the one I'm recommending for today's show because people should already be on to Tony C's Zeus. Zeus Z E U S this is a very interesting seasoning. It's, it's a, it's kind of a paprika colored, dark Greek type seasoning and it's pretty good on everything like hash brown potatoes, eggs, meat stews. It's a very good proprietary blend of seasoning that just works well with a lot of stuff. I, I used to buy it at the store and then all of a sudden I can't get it. I had to get it online, but some stores still carry it. Killer product. Zeus Z E U S It's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

For some reason I thought you would never be a guy that would use a, a bought seasoning that, that you would be the kind of chef that would create his own.

[Adam Curry]

See, even Emeril, when he does his cooking show. And other people do too. They always say, well, then I put in some Cajun seasoning. They're using Tony Sees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what a chip.

[Adam Curry]

You always, unless you want to make your own Tony Sees. But these guys have actually done some research. So you get this much of this, this much of that it all takes. We have one of our producers produces a salt and pepper called Both. That's a salt and pepper blend. You probably have some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he sent me some of that. This is very interesting, is an interesting product.

[Adam Curry]

And it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does. And you know, it saves me time.

[Adam Curry]

It saves time and it's, and it's tasty and it's gone through some effort. So I always use, I've always tried, I try these. Not of them, not all of them are good. I'm saying proprietary seasonings are not a bad idea. It's a shortcut. That is not cheating. The way I see it, if you find a good one, use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That both products. When I saw that because it came into the P.O. box, I was like, well, why didn't someone do this much earlier? It makes so much sense. Pepper in one mix. You're good to go. It's. That's another outstanding product. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It had to take some effort because if you would mix salt and pepper yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It would. It would separate. It would the pepper go to the bottom or the salt go to the bottom. Something would happen. But he's got it. So it's this exact same grind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

On both product. So it has a. So it does even out when you. When you use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part of his proprietary process, I understand.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right. That's what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

No, I've always been a big fan of these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Tony sees, everybody. That is your tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's Zeus. Not Tony sees Zeus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody, that is your tip of the day. Find it at tip of the day.net and noagendafund.com great advice for you and me.

[Unknown]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam created by Dana Burnetti. Zeus.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, Zeus. I misunderstood the whole thing. Zeus.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So. But Tony sees is a good. Whoever's putting this together at Tony sees with the Zeus.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

A twofer.

[John C. Dvorak]

A twofer. And both. Put both on there while you're at it. It's good.

[Adam Curry]

You could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you could. Hey, that's it for no Agenda. We went long today. Alert the affiliates. I don't know what happened. We got it. We're out of control. We need to stop doing that. Coming up next on no Agenda stream. If you want to stay tuned, we have the latest episode from the grumpy old dames, Lady Vox and Dame Black Loca, two big favorites of the the Darren O'Neil Rock and Roll pre show. Also in from Lee Olapuk, David Kechta and Sir Ned Wood. Stay tuned for that. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and I want to remind people, I want to thank Darren O'Neill in particular for reminding us how bad Guns n Roses can be. I'm John C. Devora.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Sunday with more meetings, media deconstruction for you. Please remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo fos a hooey. Hooey. And Such. I want to introduce the biggest friends of Ukraine.

[Unknown]

Anthony Blinken.

[John C. Dvorak]

The denizens of a bar in Kiev. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken. He went to a bar and jammed with a local Ukrainian rock band.

[Unknown]

He was wearing jeans and a black shirt because he's so cool. We're a war torn country that is facing genocidal demolition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cool that he can jam and party with a bunch of people who were drinking it up.

[Unknown]

They have unlimited. They will be funded forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it was obviously for the cameras. This was all planned and all staged.

[Unknown]

Who is this for exactly? It does not send a message of desperation on the part of Ukraine Secretary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Lincoln jamming in a bar in Kyiv while you're forced to cough up tens of billions of dollars that we.

[Unknown]

Don'T have for the war.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are too many failed theater kids, actors and musicians in politics.

[Unknown]

The actual band. They were told someone famous was gonna come and play with them. They were told it was giving aid to Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Keep on giving aid to Ukraine. I would.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would actually.

[Unknown]

You know what? I just like you to show them.

[John C. Dvorak]

That you give a damn that you got a little emotion about the fact that people are losing their jobs indiscriminately. You know what? It's hurting the show. They're in your bedrooms. They're in your living rooms. They're in your businesses. They're got. They got your data, dumbass. They got all your stuff.

[Unknown]

Elon Musk has his tentacles and everything you're doing. Not just off of X but now.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'S in the Treasury Department. He's in the Labor Department.

[Unknown]

He's in the proper home. Insecurity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems to give a damn fat ass and say something about it. All part of the Democrats. And he of course is supposed to be Republican. Just going unhinged. We've been noticing the cursing. We had a lot of this. Damn that off your fat ass. Did you hear James Carville? Welcome to the there's no turning back.

[Unknown]

Give us all your gas we will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Save you from that evil Roosky Putin.

[Unknown]

Let the IMF keep Luton Everybody wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

To rule Ukraine There's a big that will fly into you. Just.

[Unknown]

Just look out. When the bombs come tumbling down when.

[John C. Dvorak]

You die we'll be right behind you.

[Unknown]

So sad.

[John C. Dvorak]

You almost made it.

[Unknown]

Too bad we have to fake it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody wants to leave you. Adios mofo.

[Unknown]

Dvorak.org na try and top that for a killer show.