1745 - "Old Crone"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda - Episode 1745 "Old Crone" | Released March 9, 2025

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Description: In this episode of "No Agenda," hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak engage in their signature media deconstruction, tackling a variety of topics ranging from international trade policies to media industry shifts and public health concerns.

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1. Introduction and Banter (00:00 - 05:15)

The episode begins with the hosts engaging in light-hearted conversation about Ford Truck Month, highlighting the pervasive nature of corporate advertising within media outlets. They humorously critique how unrelated podcasts frequently interrupt their shows with advertisements, asserting that their audience does not align with typical truck buyers.

• Quote:
  John C. Dvorak: "Those people that listen to Pivot buy trucks just don't."

2. Trade War and Tariffs (05:23 - 23:37)

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the ongoing trade tensions, particularly the imposition and retraction of tariffs by the Trump administration on Canadian and Mexican imports. The hosts dissect the economic implications of this "whiplash," discussing its impact on the U.S. stock market, manufacturing sectors, and consumers.

• Quote:
  Adam Curry: "Tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports are off again. It feels like whiplash by the White House has many people wondering what's next."

3. Media Industry Shifts: CBS and Attempts to Revive Old Formats (23:37 - 43:11)

Curry and Dvorak delve into recent changes at CBS, notably the firing of Nora and the introduction of John Dickerson alongside Maurice Dubois in a format reminiscent of the classic Huntley-Brinkley reports. They critique the lack of chemistry between the new hosts and express skepticism about CBS's strategy to regain former glory.

• Quote:
  Adam Curry: "They're trying to bring back Huntley-Brinkley from the '60s and '70s, which was on NBC, not CBS. It stinks."

4. European Defense Spending and the Digital Euro (43:11 - 75:05)

The discussion shifts to European Union defense initiatives, including Ursula von der Leyen's proposal for a €150 billion defense fund. The hosts analyze internal EU disagreements, the role of non-EU partners like Turkey, and the contentious introduction of a digital euro. They express concerns over potential militarization and economic strategies within Europe.

• Quote:
  John C. Dvorak: "France versus Germany over whether funds should be reserved exclusively for EU defense industries or also benefit non-EU partners, including Turkey."

5. Interactions with Media Figures and Public Perception (75:05 - 142:24)

Curry and Dvorak discuss interactions with media personalities, including confrontations involving Elon Musk and critiques of mainstream media outlets like MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. They explore themes of media bias, misinformation, and the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity amidst political pressure.

• Quote:
  John C. Dvorak: "Margaret Brennan, the journalist, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and she does not disclose that."

6. Donations, Producers, and Community Engagement (142:24 - 173:44)

The hosts highlight the importance of listener donations in sustaining the podcast. They humorously assign honorary titles to donors, fostering a sense of community and appreciation. This segment includes playful banter about the benefits of supporting the show and managing contributions.

• Quote:
  Adam Curry: "We're going to thank the rest of our producers who supported the best podcast in the universe."

7. Public Health Concerns: Hantavirus and Measles (173:44 - 202:24)

A critical discussion on public health issues unfolds, focusing on hantavirus and the resurgence of measles. The hosts question the validity of claims regarding "immune amnesia" caused by measles infections and critique the portrayal of vaccine efficacy. They emphasize skepticism towards public health narratives and advocate for natural immunity over vaccination.

• Quote:
  John C. Dvorak: "Immune amnesia. So first of all, potentially deadly virus... but immune amnesia, which I really question the validity of this, but this is a, you know, CBS, it's big pharma pays their bills."

8. Technical Challenges and Show Dynamics (202:24 - 206:14)

Towards the end of the episode, Curry and Dvorak address technical difficulties experienced during the broadcast, including audio distortions and streaming issues. They reflect on the challenges of maintaining live show quality and tease upcoming content, reinforcing their commitment to delivering unfiltered media analysis.

• Quote:
  Adam Curry: "Microsoft shutting down Skype. And why is that? Because they never got the source code to begin with."

9. Conclusion and Final Remarks (206:14)

The episode wraps up with a blend of final thoughts, acknowledgments to listeners and donors, and humorous exchanges. The hosts reiterate their political stances, express frustration with media and political institutions, and encourage continued support from their audience.

• Quote:
  John C. Dvorak: "Remember [e-mail] adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such."

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Notable Highlights:

• Trade Policies and Economic Impact: Detailed analysis of the Trump administration's fluctuating tariff strategies and their repercussions on international trade and domestic markets.

• Media Critique: Insightful critiques of major media outlets' strategies to reinvent classic formats, highlighting perceived shortcomings in chemistry and content delivery.

• European Union Dynamics: Exploration of internal EU conflicts over defense funding and the introduction of digital currency, casting light on broader geopolitical tensions.

• Public Health Skepticism: A contentious segment questioning mainstream public health narratives surrounding vaccines and disease immunity, reflecting the hosts' contrarian viewpoints.

• Community Engagement: Effective use of listener donations to build a dedicated community, fostering a participatory environment through honorary titles and recognition.

Conclusion: Episode 1745 of "No Agenda" offers a deep dive into contemporary political and media landscapes, underscored by the hosts' unwavering skepticism and critical analysis. Through a blend of humor, confrontation, and in-depth discussion, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide listeners with a unique perspective on global events and media practices.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Hey, what happened to my money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, March 9, 2025. This is your award winning Kimball Nation media assassination episode 1745. This is no Agenda. Singing for science and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region Number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we've noticed they're bombing Ukraine. The Russians are bombing Ukraine. I'm John Cdvor. Crackpot and buzz kill in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they're bombing Ukraine. And more importantly, it's that time of year again, John. Okay, it's Ford Truck Month.

[Adam Curry]

Ford? Oh, I thought it was Toyota Thon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's Ford Truck Month. I could not. Every single podcast I listen to, except for ours, of course, they all interrupt three times during the show. And if it's not the wellness company, it's for truck month. I just don't believe that the people who listen to Pivot buy trucks.

[Adam Curry]

They're not Ford truck drivers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those people that listen to Pivot just doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

Subaru, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is. When did that become like the lesbian car?

[Adam Curry]

That was. Did we play a clip of the guy who explained it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm trying to think. If we did, was it a marketing thing?

[Adam Curry]

It was a marketing guy. Guy said, you know, he just had this sense that there's some woman's thing that was going on. He said, you know, I think if we push the car into this direction, it would be a big hit. I had to revisit this marketing trick, but, yeah, all of a sudden became the lesbian car.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it still successful, though? Is the Subaru. Subaru still a big seller? Is it still a thing?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, they do very well. It's a good car. The thing that makes a car, it's like got the. The safety features of a Volvo. So they're very. It's a good car to drive.

[John C. Dvorak]

That for me, is the quintessential lesbian car. The Volvo. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Obviously it's up there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I had a Volvo. One of my first cars was a Volvo.

[Adam Curry]

I told you, the Volvo.

[John C. Dvorak]

I took a tour of the factory in Sweden.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do tell. I did not know about this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was great because they also gave us a tour on the track. They let us race around on the track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you'd be surprised. This is when I first drove those new diesels, the ones that turned out to be like, you know, kind of sketchy in terms of the way they polluted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was that. No, that was The Volkswagen, wasn't it?

[Adam Curry]

The Volkswagen, yeah. I drove. I know the Volkswagen had the reputation, but this is the same product because these things went this diesel. Because I've driven diesels. A diesel that goes like a bat out of hell. Something's up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember. So my first car. No, my.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

My first car was the Volvo 142, which was the size of a tank with a lawnmower engine. And. And I was always jealous because a buddy of mine had the 144 with the overdrive feature, had a little button on the top and it was overdrive, whatever that meant. But then later, as a payoff.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever that meant.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what that means. Later as a payoff.

[Adam Curry]

Do a sports ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, later as a guy's thing. Yeah, later as a payoff for kind of like one of those old, you know, the black musicians in rock and roll. In the 50s, they weren't allowed to pay me to drink milk on tv so they gave me a car instead. It's a long story. It has to do with commercial interest on public broadcast. And they gave me a Volvo 480es. Have you ever seen that car?

[Adam Curry]

No. I can look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should take a look. It had flip up lights.

[Adam Curry]

It's not that cute little sportsy looking thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I don't know if it was cute looking. The front end was kind of cute looking. It was sportsy. But the thing was there was something because it was one of the first ones in Europe and I remember because I was a smoker then, of course, it was Volvo.

[Adam Curry]

What? 480.

[John C. Dvorak]

480 ES. E, F, E, S, Echo Sierra.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there was something. They had treated the steering wheel and the interior was some kind of new plastic. And so if you were driving and if you for any reason put your fingers near your mouth, which you would do as a smoker, it was like this acidic burn just go into your mouth you couldn't get rid of. Was a poisonous vehicle, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe. I see it. Yeah, that's cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, enough about cars because it's Ford truck month and also it's time for a whiplash.

[News Anchor]

A whiplash in trade policy here at the White House has sent the stock market reeling. This whiplash triggered another sell off on Wall street. The Dow, NASDAQ and S& P all took heavy losses.

[Adam Curry]

We start with that market sell off.

[John C. Dvorak]

The reason?

[News Anchor]

More whiplash from President Trump over a full week of whiplash over President Trump's on again, off again tariff strategy. Whiplash President Trump's on again, off again.

[Adam Curry]

Tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports is off again. It feels like whiplash by the White House has many people wondering what's next.

[News Anchor]

Many experts say this constant whiplash by.

[Adam Curry]

The White House has many people wondering.

[News Anchor]

What will happen next. The fast action from the new Trump administration has also led to some neck breaking. Whiplash, Joe. A lot of whiplash to go around. Happy Friday.

[Adam Curry]

Well, a lot of whiplash.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. A lot of whiplash.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

People are complaining that I'm over modulating. Why is this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're breaking up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm break. Am I breaking up on YouTube?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Well, it was, it's during the clip, the thing would just go off the rails and it would just be distorted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? I'm not sure why that is. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought it was just local here, but I guess not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, the experts in the troll room, you know, they know exactly what's going on. 1, 2, 1, 2. No, it seems okay. That's just, that's, that's all your gear, man. It's nothing to do with me. So, yes, whiplash on the tariffs. This is the big thing. No one understands it. What's going on? The markets are, are upset. The markets are crashing. Markets are crashing, John. Markets are crashing. Have you heard the markets? They're crashing. It's crashing.

[Adam Curry]

I heard this and I heard. There's whiplash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, whiplash. Because we are in the fog of trade war. The fog of trade.

[Adam Curry]

Good evening, I'm John Dickerson.

[News Anchor]

I'm Maurice Dubois. The financial markets for the whole time.

[Adam Curry]

So they fired Nora from cbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

News deconstruction is what we should be talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So they got rid of her and they put on of course they never fire anybody. They put you on special assignment and.

[John C. Dvorak]

You get to do long form programming.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then you're done. So they put in John Dickerson, who's good enough, you know, in his, on his slow talk and morning shows and this other guy. And it's like a Huntley Brinkley report to trying to re. They're trying to bring back Huntley and BRINKLEY from the 60s and 70s, which was on NBC, not CBS, of course, but they're trying to put this team up. It stinks. And the two guys don't have any rapport. They just almost as though they're competing with each other, figuring one of them is going to get the other guy out of there. He's going to take over.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm on the brink, honey. Once I Get, get that guy out of here. It'll be all me. It'll be all me.

[Adam Curry]

So this is the worst. And the they, the multi culty guy will probably win if they're going to do that because Dickerson seems nervous. He doesn't seem comfortable. He's not, he's not doing a very good job. But this, this, this, the way they've staged it stinks. And they're not that, but they're a mile apart. It's just terrible. It's terrible. All worse than Nora.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the more reason to go back to the clip. The fog of trade war.

[Adam Curry]

Good evening, I'm John Dickerson.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Maurice Dubois.

[Adam Curry]

The financial markets were rattled today by.

[News Anchor]

The Commander in Chief and general confusion.

[Adam Curry]

Conflicting signals from the President. General confusion. Is that a new guy? I never heard of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, yes, Maurice Dubois.

[Adam Curry]

Otherwise known as general confusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Conflicting signals from the President about his trade war sent stock prices tumbling. The Dow lost a full percent, the Nasdaq more than two and a half.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to you? What are you doing?

[Adam Curry]

I'm moving stuff around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could you do it? Not during the clips. You know, just then. Two and a half.

[News Anchor]

President Trump granted more exemptions today to.

[John C. Dvorak]

His 25% tax on imports from Canada.

[News Anchor]

And Mexico for one month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Goods covered by the USMCA trade agreement.

[News Anchor]

Will not be subject to the tariffs. He gave that same exemption yesterday to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Detroit's big three automakers.

[Adam Curry]

This is not the first time the president has threatened or imposed tariffs and pulled back. And the uncertainty goes well beyond Wall Street.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ed O'Keefe is at a curling center in Toronto.

[Adam Curry]

Canadian sports. Are they talking about curling? Canadian sports?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he's at a curling center in Ontario, which is where you get your boots on the ground from. Because when you think of Canada, what do you think of?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I, I always think of curling. The on again, off again tariffs are mostly off again. They keep saying on again, off again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, they do keep saying that.

[News Anchor]

Actually for here in Canada's largest province.

[Adam Curry]

Which is warning of economic pain for at least some Americans.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to put an end to this. This is mass chaos right now around North America and actually around the world. Doug Ford is premier of Ontario, the.

[News Anchor]

Hub of Canada's economy and home to 40% of Canadians.

[Adam Curry]

He dismissed President Trump's pause on tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said that before and he switched his mind a few days later or a week later. So once I touch a stove and.

[News Anchor]

I get burned, once I don't touch.

[Adam Curry]

That stove again, he needs to drop all tariffs. And if he doesn't drop them for.

[News Anchor]

Good, Ford says Ontario, which transmits electricity.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the United States, will put a.

[News Anchor]

25% tariff on power sent to Minnesota, Michigan and New York starting Monday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ford got into a heated phone conversation.

[News Anchor]

This week with the U.S. commerce Secretary and has banned the sale of American.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made spirits in Ontario liquor stores.

[Adam Curry]

So if I hear you, you're turning.

[News Anchor]

Off the lights and you're running the bourbon dry in response to what the United States is doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

The last thing I want to do.

[Adam Curry]

Is turn off the light.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll put a tariff, but let's, let's straighten this out. And to the American homeowner in Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

Or New York or somewhere else that gets its power from electricity, yes, they're.

[News Anchor]

Going to see the electric bill in.

[Adam Curry]

A month and they're going to realize, whoa, more expensive than it was.

[News Anchor]

That's what you tell them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's one person to be blamed, and that's President Trump.

[News Anchor]

Even if the tariffs are temporarily off, the anger has hardly subsided at the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Private Royal Canadian Curling Club. Hold on second, before we get back to the curling club, what is Ford talking about? He's going to jack up the prices. That's not a tariff, that's an increase in price.

[Adam Curry]

I know. Can I. There's a couple. Just before you finish this clip, I have to mention something I've been meaning to talk about for a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

Ever since Trump got elected on Fox, a couple of the shows on Fox have had this running and I should have recorded it, I'm sure. A running ad promoting Ontario. I've never seen this before on television.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

It's an advertisement. Ontario, your trading partner, the greatest place in the world, we in Canada, blah, blah, blah. And it goes on. It's in one. It's a 60 second commercial and they play it all the time on Foxes. And when I first saw, I said, oh, something's going to happen here. There's something wrong. Why is Ontario of all places, advertising on network television?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, right. And by the way, for those of you wondering, no, no, no, this is, this is Doug Ford, not to be confused with Tom Ford or with Ford Truck Month or with Rob Ford, this guy.

[News Anchor]

For months, Rob Ford, the embattled mayor of Toronto, has been dogged by alle that he'd been caught on tape smoking crack. And today, the mayor of Canada's biggest city came clean.

[Adam Curry]

Might add it. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have I tried it?

[Adam Curry]

Probably in one of my drunken stupors. Just hours later, he fell on the board again, admitting it was the most difficult.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. An embarrassing thing I have ever had to do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so that's. That's his brother. Just so. Yeah, they're all right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure they. I'm sure they all party.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

This guy here, this joker is just seems the same guy to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go. Let's go back, but let's. Let's straighten this out into the American.

[Adam Curry]

Homeowner in Minnesota or New York or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Somewhere else that gets its power from electricity. Yes.

[News Anchor]

They're going to see the electric bill.

[Adam Curry]

In a month and they're going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Realize, whoa, yes, that's what you tell them. And there's one person to be blamed, and that's President Trump.

[News Anchor]

Even if the terrorists fight words off, the anger has hardly subsided.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the private Royal Canadian Curling Club.

[Adam Curry]

Members stopped drinking American bourbon and California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wines on the premises weeks ago.

[News Anchor]

This is one small thing that we can do.

[Adam Curry]

And Danielle Brown says growing Canadian anger.

[News Anchor]

Isn'T about the American people, just the American president. It's really just sad and a shame that leadership is actually maybe for positioning, who knows why, kind of trumping up these allegations. Trumping up were maybe not as good partners as we actually are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have respect. I have respect for the Canadians. There's a big movement. Oh, we're only buying Canadian, eh? Which is good. I think that's.

[Adam Curry]

Most of their wine is made in the bathroom. Okanagan Valley makes a good product, that's for sure. But if you go to Canada, all the liquor stores are government controlled, so they can do this stuff like that, even though they already bought the stuff. But they're gonna just put it back in the warehouse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

But they have these shops throughout Canada where you can go in there and buy home wine making gear and must and grape juice and different kinds of things, and you make it at home. And I think a lot of Canadians, somebody from Canada can call me out on this if I'm wrong, but it seemed pretty popular to me that they had this rig that you could buy to make your own damn wine in the toilet. In the toilet, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting because, you know, I asked Canadians to send us some boots on the ground and some thoughts about everything. And it, it varies.

[Adam Curry]

I got some good reports, too. We maybe get to them later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, most of. Most of what I received is we actually wouldn't mind being the 51st state.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, too many of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. I got a couple of those also. You know, a lot of like. Well, and this is. This is kind of permeated. It might be in this report. A lot of Canadians would say, well, we all know that we only exist because you haven't invaded us yet. Which I think is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I didn't get that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got that one.

[Adam Curry]

These guys are the ones who burnt down the US Capitol. These Canadians. They're pretty tough. Yeah, they're tough. The War of 1812 was a war of the United States versus Canada. We don't like talking about it. Because the Canadians won. Yes, the Canadians will discuss it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get some more insight from CBS now.

[News Anchor]

Ed, we usually think of Canadians in kindness, but in this case, they seem pretty angry right about now.

[Adam Curry]

Why are they. They're always grousing. Hold on a second. The Canadians. Oh, they're so kind. They're so. That's not necessarily. It seems like that on the surface, but when you go and you spend any time at all in Canada, they're gruff. They also. They're quick to. I've had this happen to more than once. It takes a while to get used to being in Canada because when you have this polite back and forth where you say, oh, here's thank you very thanks, you always say thanks and you're welcome. If you don't get the thanks out fast enough, the Canadians will say you're welcome in a very gruff tone, as though you haven't said thank you fast enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are generalizing. You realize that, right? You're generalizing.

[Adam Curry]

Generalizing from lots of experience.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got a report from Corey Cory and his wife attended the Tony Hinchcliffe show in Niagara Falls, Ontario last night. That's the guy who said, you know, who talked about the trash in the ocean being Puerto Rico.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right, the insult comic.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he opened the show with the American national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner. Nobody booed, everybody cheered. How about that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's odd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there was no alcohol. You go to a hockey game, you get everybody else sauced up. It's like maybe they weren't even booing. Maybe they're just trying to bend over.

[Adam Curry]

They were trying to bend over. Well, Maurice, in their view. Curry.com.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the Canadians love me. They love us. They love the show. We're the only Americans who spend any. Attend. Pay any attention to Canadian news.

[Adam Curry]

We. The difference between Rob Ford and Doug Ford.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody else does the important stuff.

[News Anchor]

Well, Maurice, in their view, and the reality is there have been free trade agreements between the U.S. and Canada in place since the late 1980s. Many may remember NAFTA more recently, the U.S. mexico, Canada, free Trade Agreement that was negotiated in part by President. They're sick of being pushed around and they're not quite sure what it is. The President wants done by early April.

[Adam Curry]

To call off this trade war entirely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, good. Trade war. Trade war. So here's the final one about the actual products that are being affected.

[News Anchor]

Ed, if these tariffs stick, what other.

[Adam Curry]

Kinds of products or what other ways will Americans be affected?

[News Anchor]

Well, let's walk our way across Canada to give you an example.

[John C. Dvorak]

In British Columbia, the lumber from there.

[News Anchor]

Helps build American homes. In Alberta, the oil and gas gets pumped into American cars. Fertilizer from Saskatchewan gets scattered across the heartland.

[Adam Curry]

And we went to a steel manufacturer here in Ontario who makes window wells.

[News Anchor]

And garden beds that get bought up all across the American suburbs. And then, of course, there's the produce. Blueberries, tomatoes, and yes, maple syrup.

[Adam Curry]

The cost of them would go up as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of got lost in all of this. And I, and I got some boots on the ground from, from our producers about this as well is initially, and I think still these tariffs are indeed about fentanyl. And if you look at the reporting there, there are a lot of fentanyl, I wouldn't call them factories, but labs all over Canada, and it's produced there. And then it gets put into trucks that carry stuff for our cars, our fenders and bumpers and whatever else, and it comes right into America. I think the President's right on this, at least from the reporting I see. And ABC went a little bit deeper into this with. What's the guy's name? Kevin Hassett. Who's this guy? He is. Oh, he's one of the President's economic advisors. Oh, he. Yes, he's the director of the National Economic Council.

[Adam Curry]

So we saw the President this week impose tariffs, delay a bunch of the tariffs, and then on Friday he said there are more and bigger tariffs to come, suggesting possibly as high as 250% on Canadian dairy and lumber.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Can you just explain, and in short, what is driving the President's decision making on this? Sure.

[News Anchor]

Let's go through what happened this week, because I didn't really think that the way you guys characterized the tariffs made sense to me. So I just want to go back to what happened.

[Adam Curry]

What happened was that we launched a.

[News Anchor]

Drug war, not a trade war, and it was part of a negotiation to get Canada and Mexico to stop shipping fentanyl across our borders. And as we've watched them make progress on the drug war, then we've relaxed some of the tariffs that we've put on them because they're making progress.

[Adam Curry]

And so that drug war is something.

[News Anchor]

That'S been going on since really the.

[Adam Curry]

Beginning of the Trump administration.

[News Anchor]

We've also announced that we're going to put out a study April 1 that says what is the harm to America of all the asymmetrical trade practices of foreign governments and what are we going to do about it? And that's the April 2nd number that you keep hearing the president say.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this isn't even a tariff on trade. This is just a tariff on drugs, which is what was initially announced. But somehow it turned into just fog of tariff war and they continued on this.

[Adam Curry]

But let me ask, because I am confused now about what you're saying about.

[News Anchor]

This being a drug war, not a trade war.

[Adam Curry]

So let's just take Canada. I mean, you said Canada shipping fentanyl into the United States. I mean, I don't think that's happening. I mean, 1% of fentanyl is being smuggled across the border.

[News Anchor]

1%.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, Canada is not a major source at all of fentanyl in the United States, are they?

[News Anchor]

Well, they're. Well, yes, they are a major source. And I can tell you that in THE SITUATION room, I've seen photographs of fentanyl labs in Canada that the law enforcement folks were leaving alone. Canada's got a big drug problem even in their own cities. Go walk around, you know, Toronto and see what it's like and you'll see.

[Adam Curry]

That it is a big problem.

[News Anchor]

And frankly, you know, we have intelligence that Mexican cartels operate in Canada as well. And so if you want to get.

[Adam Curry]

The cartels out of the US you.

[News Anchor]

Got to get them out of Canada and Mexico. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you're saying that this is.

[Adam Curry]

An effort to make them crack down and it's worked. It's working.

[News Anchor]

Yes, it's working.

[Adam Curry]

Then why are these tariffs going? The very same tariffs going back into effect on April 2nd?

[News Anchor]

Well, we'll see what happens. So what's going on with the trade war is that we're going to have reciprocal tariffs in April. What's going on with the drug war is we're trying to make progress. So there is a trade war.

[Adam Curry]

So there is a trade war in April.

[News Anchor]

There's going to be a reciprocal tariff, and then if they lower their tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'Ll lower ours April 2nd. The real tariffs. And by the way, those are reciprocal tariffs. 250% on dairy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we get screwed on the dairy. We can't send our dairy up There they don't want our dairy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not? Why is that? I mean this protection area I guess I mean it could stole a protection.

[Adam Curry]

Total protection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because they don't wouldn't have a industry at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well this of course has. Has fueled the and and I'm pretty sure this is all being fueled for the upcoming election in Canada at least of the the new Prime Minister. We heard from Christia Freeland who was.

[Adam Curry]

Using nobody takes seriously according to our her.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know her. I thought it was a rumor but her dad actually was a guy who collaborated with the Nazis.

[Adam Curry]

It would surprise me. She sounds like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just saying. And the real front runner though is a guy we know very well on the show. Mark Carney the front runner.

[Adam Curry]

Polyvere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. No, no. For the Liberal Party. For the Liberal Party.

[Adam Curry]

But the Liberal Party's done Mark Carney, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

He returned home to his supporters to make his bid for the party leadership. Mark Carney made it clear he was wanted to become Canada's 24th prime minister.

[Adam Curry]

I'm back home in Edmonton to declare my candidacy for leader of the Liberal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party and Prime Minister of Canada. He says he has the experience Canada needs.

[Adam Curry]

I've helped manage multiple crises and I've helped save two economies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mark Carney is a former governor of the bank of Canada and a former governor of the bank of England. He has served as an advisor to Justin Trudeau and to Boris Johnson. Carney was born in Canada's remote northwest territories in 1965. He went to Harvard and worked at Goldman Sachs before being named Deputy Governor of the bank of Canada in 2003. He became governor in 2008 at the age of 42. In 2020, after almost seven years at the bank of England, he served as a UN envoy on finance and climate change. In the Liberal Party leadership battle, he argued Canada must fight the US President Donald Trump and his tariffs diversifying trading relations. He argues he's the only person prepared to handle Trump.

[Adam Curry]

We have to recognize that the Donald Trump of today is different than the.

[News Anchor]

Donald Trump of several years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Then his objective was to take more of our market. Now he wants to take our country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're not Greenland. Okay. We don't want your country. I mean we'd love to have you as 51st day but it's, you know, that's up to you guys. We would fold them in. We'd have a great time. Don't you think it'll be great to have Canada part of the United States?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's never going to happen. And I don't want it to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, what's wrong with you? That'd be great.

[Adam Curry]

No, you don't need the complaining Canadians in the United states, John.

[John C. Dvorak]

@Dvorak.Org everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can. Canadians know what I'm talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So that's. That's North America. By the way, was Freeland's grandfather not her dad? Grandfather was a Nazi collaboration collaborator. He. He wrote some newspaper stuff. I think that again, it's just like Thursday. The action is in Europe. People are. I mean, the European leadership, let's just put it that way, are so gung ho on war. They really are.

[Adam Curry]

You know what you just said? Because that little anomaly is still there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

It was funny because when you said gung ho on war, it kind of became. People in the chat room can confirm this. It had what? You know, the sound that you always ridicule me for when I come in with that Mickey Mouse sound or whatever the hell it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know what?

[Adam Curry]

It's so sparse and so sporadic.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it's on the clips, then I'd rather reboot the machine. Yeah, they're saying it's back. This. It's got to be the machine. It's Windows 10, John.

[Adam Curry]

10.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's Windows 10.

[Adam Curry]

I should be using 11 by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems to me I need to upgrade my experience. Everything has been rebooted and hopefully everything's okay now.

[Adam Curry]

And we're sorry for people out there bored stiff. Mimi always bitches when this happens. She's listening live.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is why. This is why people listen live. They love this. This is the best part.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they love it. What time is it, Bill? It's time to go home.

[John C. Dvorak]

We. We used to have the biggest problems on Skype. The biggest problems. And now. Did you know that Microsoft is shutting down Skype in May?

[Adam Curry]

Can you believe it? The show has got on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're on the show. I'm recording the show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, yeah, yeah. Microsoft shutting down Skype. And why is that? Because they never got the source code to begin with. They never knew how it worked. Those guys said, nah, you were selling that product. But once they.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you know they never got the source code?

[Adam Curry]

They never. That when they originally sold. Now, I could be wrong. They could have gotten it later. I could be wrong. But when they sold, it was a big deal. Those two guys, those Norwegians or Swedes, whoever the hell they were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they actually developed that all in Amsterdam. I met them there and I was like, this is. This is never going to Fly. I'm not investing in you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, classic. Classic. Something of a mistake, I guess. Classic. But they were going to give Microsoft a product, but they weren't going to tell them how it worked. And it was kind of a big deal. Microsoft was typical. Well, it reminds me of when Loewen Brow was bought by Miller. I think they bought it and the Lo and Brow team said, hey, which was a famous beer at the time. They said, hey, you guys, you want us to send some Brewmasters over, show you how we make this stuff? And Miller's comment was. According to folklore, Miller's comment was, no, we know how to make beer.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're telling me that Microsoft paid $8.5 billion and they didn't get the source code?

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you that they didn't get the knowledge that they needed to know how the product worked, whether they got the source code or not. It's like you can get source code, but if it's not, you know, source code doesn't mean anything if it's spaghetti code. I mean, they don't even know how Windows works half the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nor do we apparently just kick it.

[Adam Curry]

So they never could get the thing to work. Because I remember the first time I was in, I think Sweden, and I was. And when this product first appeared on the scene, before Microsoft owned it. And I heard it because we were doing some presentations and people kept getting these Skype messages and you listen to people, it was stunning. The quality of the sound it was. Sounded like, I always call it CD sound. It sounded like a cd, it was so crisp. And Microsoft got. It still sounded good. And very slowly it started to deteriorate and now they can't even keep the thing running. And then they're giving up on it. Oh, just get teams.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And then, of course, it reminds me.

[Adam Curry]

What is it? What was the name of that. That SIP that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the SIP still exists.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it's a crap protocol that makes everything sound crappy. And so everything that's any good was always proprietary because you have some genius that figure. I gotta figure out how to. That's clean fetus. Same way. How does this work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know, but those guys got a. They got an Academy Award for Clean feed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, for good reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. Anyway, we're boring.

[Adam Curry]

This is too much insight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. All right, so I wanted. I wanted to go to. To Europe, where there, as I said before, are many reboots. They are out of control. They are completely abusing the European public. And I know because I'm getting screaming emails from people like, trump can just do whatever he wants. You don't care. He's just breaking laws left and right. He wants to start World War Three. I'm like, what are you talking about? He ignores the courts. I mean, there's so much. And by the way, that's the elite messaging system. The M5M is doing its job well. People are completely under their spell and believe everything they hear, everything they read. But ultimately you are the ones being played by your own leaders. They want to complete the European project and notice how the always are intertwining Europe and the eu. This is the President of the EU Parliament, Roberta Metsola.

[News Anchor]

I think I'll be a little bit more blunt than usual today. And our message on this day of a special European Council on Defence is that it is about damn time. This is something that we have been asking for a long time, that the European Union, that Europe is capable of standing up on its own two feet. That's why we've been saying we need to scale up, we need to be prepared, we need to produce and we need to protect. That is essentially what our citizens are asking from us. That is essentially what it will take for Europe to say that we are ready to put finally our money where our mouth is on Ukraine. The situation today is exactly the same as it was three years ago, really. Ukraine is fighting for Europe and Europe needs to be hand in hand, lockstep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notice this notice. It's for Europe, but only EU has to pay and the uk, of course, for Europe.

[News Anchor]

And Europe needs to be hand in hand, lockstep with whoever is fighting for our security, for our values. Ukraine's security is Europe's security. And today more than ever, also with the President of the country. We will stand with him and will say we are with you. But to do that, we need to do more. We need to make sure that even here we put our money where our mouth is, that we help financially, that we help militarily, and we're able to say that here, yes, what you are fighting is what we will be fighting for together.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, that's the President of the year of the European Union Parliament. I mean, she's a warmonger and you're going to pay for it. Eu. Here's the Lithuanian President. There's no need to explain in detailed way how important is this meeting. I understand the fourth year of the war in Ukraine and Ukraine is buying the precious time for us every day, paying with the blood. So it would be Highly irresponsible to waste this time and to have long hours discussions without the clear outcome. So I think we have two very important proposals on the table. First of all, I appreciate the efforts of the President of the European Commission or show off on the leyen for this 800 million billion euro plan. I think this is step forward comparing with this. When I hear this guy, he's like, oh, I thank Ursula, Queen ursula for the 800 billion euro plan. I hear a guy who's going money, money, money, money. There's money coming in baby. This is step forward comparing with the situation we are now. And it would be really high assistance for my country because we have very ambitious target in my country to spend for defence from 6 to, from 5 to 6% of our GDP. Wow. It means a lot. But for that we need more flexible treatment of defense spending while calculating the fiscal money according to economic and growth. Growth and stability plan. Then 20 billion euros financial package for Ukraine. You are smiling. I think this is serious because Lithuania is committed to contribute and to pay our part to this fund. Because we are committed also to support Ukraine by 0.25% of our GDP each year. The calculated if our countries will commit to pay the same amount, Ukraine would receive 43 billion euros.

[Adam Curry]

And this is a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is really what they need right now. It's amazing what is taking place in Germany. Mertz is trying to get their part of the rearmament scheme rammed through before the new parliament is, you know, compiled or chosen. Yeah, I mean they, they gotta shuffle stuff around to get their majority.

[Adam Curry]

And so they don't want the AFD in there. It's gonna be a roadblock. So they gotta get going before the guys get their seats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. So, and so they're going, they want to go to a trillion, but they're gonna start, they can go start easy.

[Adam Curry]

It's all borrowed money. We should mention that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, no, they have to undo their handbrake legislation so they can start borrowing that money. And the French, well, they have a totally different plan. They're taking it from their own citizens.

[Adam Curry]

Boosting France's defense budget, a pressing priority. But where to find the billions of euros needed? One idea is to use French citizens savings by offering a new personal investment vehicle based on defense funds.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it starts. One option is war bonds. That's basically what this is. But then as it gets crazier as.

[Adam Curry]

It goes, the war bonds thing goes back in history to the World War I. And a lot of people think this whole thing's a scam for war bonds to sucker everyone to get by, you know, basically taking their money and turning it into war bonds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

For the purposes of this. And so this is some true. I, I believe that to be possible. We have to. The United States has to get away from. This is like a. It's, you know, just say, well, you know, NATO has kept the peace and blah, blah, blah. Even though it's. I've never, I've always said it's never been NATO that's kept a piece. It's the nuclear deterrence that's kept the peace because people know what would happen if you got into a conflict. Conflagration. Conflagration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Conflagration, yes.

[Adam Curry]

And NATO's just been there. We have to get out of NATO because these people. This is pent up. The fact that we've had peace for so long is being. Is pent up in Europe. They want to get back into fighting each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

We continue.

[Adam Curry]

We have to get out of this. This is not good for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but let's listen to how the French are getting screwed and then we'll talk about that investment vehicle based on defense funds. Not everyone is keen.

[News Anchor]

I'd rather it be used for social.

[Adam Curry]

Good or for the environment, not the military.

[News Anchor]

I don't want my money to be financing war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another option, the Livre A, a tax.

[Adam Curry]

Free government regulated account popular with French savers. Its deposits are currently used mostly to finance social housing. Some of that though could be reor into defence. Whatever the product, it will need to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attract investors to mobilise French savings.

[Adam Curry]

Certainly you can call on patriotism defending.

[News Anchor]

The country, but savers will be looking at the returns. If those are low, they'll prefer the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Livre A or a tax deferred investment account.

[Adam Curry]

Other options include directing funds from those tax deferred investment accounts towards defence, incentivizing institutional private investment or reducing interest rates rates for defense contractors. The French state itself could borrow to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fund more military spending, but not without consequence. We have to be careful.

[Adam Curry]

We'd have no problem borrowing that money.

[John C. Dvorak]

But interest rates are higher now than they were before the financial crisis, so this debt will cost us more.

[Adam Curry]

One option that President Emmanuel Macron insists is not on the raising taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Borrowing money is a taxation. Taking your savings is more than a taxation. And the French are going to wake up to this and then. Well, yeah, the French, the French, I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

They do a lot of protests about one thing or another, but they can't. This is relentless.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then there's a new player that pops on the scene. Unfortunately, this is Euro News and Euro News has. I tried to to speed it up as much as possible. They've resorted to AI voices now for their reports. This is the worst, but it's the report that counts.

[News Anchor]

France versus Germany, the battle for Erdogan's favor and the 150 billion euro European defense between France and Germany over the European Commission's proposal for a 150 billion euro investment in European defense. Whether this these funds should be exclusively reserved for EU based defense industries or if they should also benefit non EU partners, including Turkey.

[Adam Curry]

According to the Financial Times, Turkish President.

[News Anchor]

Recep Tayyip Erdogan has already expressed interest in participating in Europe's joint defense effort, given Turkey's strong military industry. A divided Europe Last week, European Commission President Ursula von der leyen proposed a.

[Adam Curry]

150 billion euro defense defense fund aimed.

[News Anchor]

At boosting Europe's military production. While all EU member states support the idea, disagreements remain over who should receive the funding. During the EU summit last Thursday, German Chancellor Olof Scholz argued that the initiative should be open to non EU partners, stating, it is very important for us that the projects we support are also open to countries that are not part of the European Union Union but maintain close cooperation with us, such as the United Kingdom, Norway, Switzerland and Turkey. However, French President Emmanuel Macron strongly disagreed, insisting that EU defense spending should prioritize European manufacturers.

[Adam Curry]

These investments should not be spent on.

[News Anchor]

Equipment that is not of European origin.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're fighting over the money already. Like who? And this is just the first tranche, the 150 billion that Queen Ursula promised. And Turkey's saying, hey, we're in NATO. Like we've got NATO gear. You don't have anything. You got to go build stuff. So they don't actually want to help Ukraine, they just want the money so we can have a war economy. And Macron is making very dangerous noises. You know UK and many of the member states in the eu, they have our nukes. I know the Netherlands has several, but France, they have their own.

[Adam Curry]

So you know uk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So if you want to launch something from the eu, you've got to get, you've got to sign the eula. I mean, from the eu, you've got to sign the EULA and make a payment and then we'll give you the code and you will act, we'll activate your nukes. But Macron is like, he's got his own and he's making dangerous noises.

[News Anchor]

In a televised address Wednesday evening, French President Emmanuel Macron. Macron delivered a stark message to his nation. Macron warned that Russian aggression knows no borders and could extend beyond Ukraine. He also said he would consider extending French nuclear deterrence to other European countries. And that's a statement Russia condemned as, quote, very confrontational. Macron also acknowledged that the French people's worries are legitimate and said Europe must, must prepare for a potential future. Without US support.

[Adam Curry]

Russia has become a threat to France and Europe. I want to believe that the US.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will stand by us, but we have.

[Adam Curry]

To be ready if this is not the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whether or not peace in Ukraine is.

[Adam Curry]

Achieved quickly, Europe must be able to defend itself better and deter any further aggression.

[News Anchor]

And the Kremlin is reacting strongly to Macron's speech by saying the French leaders comments are an indication that Paris wants to prolong the war in Ukraine. And the Russian spokesman had particularly stern words for Macron's statement that he is considering sharing France's nuclear capabilities within Europe.

[Adam Curry]

Of course this is a threat against Russia. If Macron considers us a threat, gathers a meeting of the Chiefs of General Staffs of European countries and Britain says that nuclear weapons need to be used and prepares to use nuclear weapons against Russia. This is certainly a threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, I mean, I mean it's unbelievable. You've got Mr. Peepers coming in in, in Germany, you've got Macron married to a dude and you've got Starmer who knows what his deal is. Yeah, they're, they've all gone insane and.

[Adam Curry]

I, you know, and they're suicidal maniacs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a, that's a good way of putting it. And now if we get out of NATO, I mean, what happens?

[Adam Curry]

Well, all hell's going to break loose.

[John C. Dvorak]

I sure hope not.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the thing is, you know, they keep talking about Russia this, Russia that Russia has taken. What has Russia done so far? They've taken potshots at Ukraine with a bunch of drones flying every which way. And glide bombs, it's about as close as they can get. And the glide bombs hit whatever they hit. And they've taken the Donbas, which is an area that they've controlled anyway because they're all Russian speakers. And Crimea, which they controlled anyway because they took it over in 2014. They haven't done anything else. They kind of make an inroad here and an inroad there and they lost the Kurds area, their own part of their own country because of the Ukrainians. So how is this a big threat to France? For all practical purposes, France is a bigger threat. They're shaking their sword right there and. Well, let's see what happens when one of those 50 ton bombs. The Russians have nukes that are nothing compared to the French. The French nukes are jokes by comparison to what the Russians have. One 50 ton bomb would take flat in Paris in a second. And they can read, you know, they can take all their nuke nuclear missiles and recalibrate where they're going to be targeted. And good luck, France. Give me a break. These guys are idiots.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't understand why the Europeans, you know, they're kind of silent except for the ones yelling at me because it's all Trump's fault. You know, we had In Fredericksburg yesterday, 50 protesters with Ukraine flags on Main Street.

[Adam Curry]

What, in Fredericksburgsburg?

[John C. Dvorak]

In Fredericksburg, I think that was.

[Adam Curry]

You don't even have that in Berkeley.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that was the entire Democrat representation in Fredericksburg. But it would. Yeah, I was surprised.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a couple of organizations that Mimi turned me on to that are floating around. 50150 somebody in the chat room knows this. I think it's called 505-05-5104 or something. There's some number and it's an organ. It's a national organization. There's about two or three of them.org or.com one of the two. And they are organizing these little events all over the country constantly. I think it stands for 50 states, 50 events. So it'd be 505001. Maybe that's what it is. And 50 events, 50 states, something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that an ActBlue or a Soros?

[Adam Curry]

I don't see any Act Blue connections, but it's obviously Act Blue because they have the same website look and there's a certain web designers that do. All these sites are all the same. And that's probably who organized that Fredericksburg thing, this group.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Tina said she drove by and gave a thumbs down and the people went, well, God bless you. Have a blessed day.

[Adam Curry]

I would give a thumbs up and go in with a microphone and start chatting them up.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now there's also implications depending on how this go. There's implications for five eyes, you know. And of course we, you know, Australia's dangling down there with a cyclone going on, which not many people are talking about. But it seems to be pretty bad from people I know down there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they don't have them that often.

[John C. Dvorak]

Power, power's going out and all kinds of stuff is happening. It's a big hurricane, you know, but Europe wants to. The European Union wants to tie up with Australia. You have the UK and this is Fiona Hill. She was on Face the Nation. She is, I think cfr, Brookings Institution. I think she also worked in the UK government. Here she is on Face the Nation.

[News Anchor]

The US pauses of lethal intelligence sharing, including targeting data for US provided weapons like himars. We also know it extends to satellite imagery which is no longer being shared with Ukraine. What's the practical impact of that? And the military freeze. Well, I think we can see the impact. It's certainly on the one hand emboldened Russia to really step up the attacks. And it's also not just blindsided, but also partially blinded Ukraine. I mean, we heard from the previous segment that there's still some sharing with allies like the United States Kingdom, of course, which is part of the Five Eyes sharing with the United States. But frankly, none of the other allies, including the UK have the same access to satellite imagery as the United States does. So even if there is some sharing, not much restrictions, this certainly has an impact. And frankly, I think it's going to be an impetus to other allies to start stepping up their own capabilities and questioning themselves about the virtues of sharing with the United United States. I mean, this is a two way street. We have to remember that other countries also share pretty vital information with the United States, even if the scale is not quite the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh. So as it turns out, everybody's leeching off of our data, as per usual.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're the ones with all the satellites, we're the ones with all the good data. We got the targeting information.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got the data, people. All right. How will Five Eyes respond?

[Adam Curry]

This woman is a spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, of course she is.

[News Anchor]

The uk, Australia among those who do. So you think they will essentially punish the US by not shar intelligence? I'm not sure whether it's punishment, but it'll be a lot of questioning about what actually happens with this. Because if you're bundling together intelligence and then effectively the United States is putting restrictions on that. Was that pre discussed with our Five Eyes allies, for example, or with other allies, particularly in the midst of basically a conflict.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before I continue this clip, what do you think the odds are that Trump is so hacked off at Five Eyes and for all the stuff they did did to him in his first.

[Adam Curry]

To him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, in his first go around that he's just going to tell them to screw off too?

[Adam Curry]

I think that's what he's been doing. He's been doing that consistently.

[News Anchor]

A conflict that is, as we've Heard over and over again the largest land war in Europe since World War II. I mean, this is really unprecedented in terms of the actions of the United States in this regard because it's not just affecting Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. Looking at her background, this is, we're not hearing her, we're hearing MI6 complaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I agree.

[News Anchor]

It's having knock on effects for all of our other allies who are directly affected, all of our European allies that are directly affected by this conflict.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then of course, the horrible things that President Trump said about Putin. In other words, he said, yeah, Putin's doing what I would do.

[News Anchor]

So President Trump said on Friday when he was asked if this uptick in Putin bombing was directly related to the U.S. halt, here's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

I actually think he's doing what anybody else would do. I think he's, I think he wants to get it stopped and settled and I think he's hitting him harder than, than he's been hitting him. And I think probably anybody in that position would be doing that right now.

[News Anchor]

Yet earlier in the day, the President had posted on social media he was considering possibly putting sanctions on Russia. That's a contradiction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Contradiction.

[News Anchor]

What do you make of what he said? I make of it exactly what he said. I mean, he's actually obviously putting himself in the shoes of Vladimir Putin and saying if I were the aggressor, that's exactly what I would be doing if I wanted to make Ukraine capitulate. So I mean, yeah, he called it as it is. I don't believe what he said for a second about the sanctions. I believe more what he just said there in the Oval Office sitting behind the resolution desk. I mean, I think that's what you can take away from this. He says, I think you should. Yeah, I mean, he's the President of the United States and he made it crystal clear, I think. And he sees, you know, obviously the Ukraine, Ukrainians, and he said that in the Oval Office during the meeting with President Zelensky that he sees them on the back foot as losing and he's basically telling them that they have to capitulate. Very clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that. What? No, no, that she's, she's interpreting it.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, she's, yeah, she's a mind reader now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And, and as you correctly point, she's a spook. And so she has some information from spook Central, the Council on Foreign Relations.

[News Anchor]

You don't have the cards was the line he kept using. So I know you were at the Council on Foreign Relations this week, as was. I I had an interview.

[John C. Dvorak]

As was I. What? Who is this?

[Adam Curry]

Who is Margaret Brennan? That's Margaret Brennan.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, as was I, I was there at the briefing of the spooks.

[News Anchor]

Some foreign relations this week. As was I, I had an interview with Trump's envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg. And when we were discussing the President's decision to cut off Ukraine, he said Ukrainians brought it on themselves. And the decision was like, quote, hitting a mule with the two by four across the nose. You got their attention. Comparing our ally to a farm animal here that needed to be beaten.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[News Anchor]

The audacity in diplomacy. You really should not only be speaking in your native language. And I think that there was a lot of. This was lost in translation. First of all, President Zelensky didn't fully understand that this agreement was just purely with President Trump. And President Zelenskyy didn't quite follow all of this because like the rest of our allies, he actually thinks that commitments made by the United States are supposed to hold over successive administrations. And what we learned there and what he learned there was that is not the case. You're essentially going to have to make a new commitment. Commitment with President Trump. It's a personal commitment. And that was what he was being told he didn't fully understand. And I think in future, when the Ukrainians are meeting with the Americans, they ought to have translators with them. Because as good as President Zelenskyy's English is, there's two things that he's missing there. He doesn't quite understand the way that President Trump operates, although I think he's probably got the message now, but he doesn't always understand the nuances. And I would also think that I, our side on the United States side could do with some interpretation as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the way I read that from the Council on Foreign Relations is, oh, no, no, it's not Zelensky's fault. He didn't screw it up. He's a good guy. He just didn't understand what it meant when President Trump said, you don't have any cards.

[Adam Curry]

I want to mention something here just so we clarify, because it's never mentioned by Margaret that she is not only doing an interview while she was at the Council on Foreign Relations and she's talking to a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. She herself. I'm looking at the roster. She herself is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she should.

[Adam Curry]

Margaret Brennan, the journalist, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and she does not disclose that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow. Gambling. Very surprised.

[Adam Curry]

You're not surprised?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Ian Bremmer's also on the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's another good one. Well, I'm very sad for this turn of events and I don't know if President Trump has more cards up his sleeve to bring all this back into, you know, into some kind of normalcy. And I don't know if he can. The Europeans, they have a secondary agenda that they are just not being honest about. They want a war economy. They have a problem with their economy in general, as does everybody. And so they. Well, we need more factories, need to borrow money, and then it's a racket every single time. But if you don't have the reserve currency like the US has, which is also coming to its end now, you can't. What?

[Adam Curry]

Not necessarily.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not great. Let's put it that way. It's not great. But they can't just be printing money all over the place. Not everybody wants Euros. I'm sure they think that they'd want that to be the reserve currency. But you just look at the M5M here in the US Doge Elon. They are the ones that are stupid. They're not giving anybody any useful information. And we all have roots back in Europe, but not. No, no, no. It's just all Trump. It's Trump. He did it all. It was certainly, it was the United States who started this whole, this whole mess. We lied.

[Adam Curry]

We lied with big 14 before that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We lied.

[Adam Curry]

That's when we started it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we lied with Baker. That's when we started it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, actually, we don't know that that was a lie. Oh, at the time, Baker may have been sincere. Maybe Baker was reflecting because that was after, right after the fall of the Soviet Union fell apart. And we made the promises to the Russians that we weren't going to move NATO around anymore because it wasn't the threat that it once was. And that doesn't, I don't think it was a long term scheme. I think it's just later that it devolved. I could be wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

But now you see the power of propaganda and the power of, of mainstream, which still lingers because no one has ever received this information. They don't know anything about it. And Putin for years has been saying, stop expanding NATO, Stop expanding NATO. And then until he was fed up. And then the little, the twerp over there in Ukraine said, well, maybe we'll get some nukes over here. And that's when he, when he, when he went for it after we had already committed a coup in that country. So the whole thing is shameful. And you know, President Trump is actually trying to fix some stuff.

[Adam Curry]

But oh, no help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Orange man bad. Yeah, here's in fact, before you play.

[Adam Curry]

That, I want to play a little sub clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is an example. You know, you know, the Trump just got in. Trump's approval rating, as far as I can tell, is quite high for a.

[John C. Dvorak]

President, never as low for a president this early in his administration, ever.

[Adam Curry]

And people, most people at least if you look at this social media, even the black folk like the fact that Musk is kicking ass. The black folk. But yet on the latest version of Margaret Hoover show Firing Line, which is a takeoff, which is the modern version of the William F. Buckley show when he was very erudite, he was kind of mocked for being so. And Margaret Brennan has the temerity to use that word, to think she could be another William F. Buckley. She's a clownish blonde who used to be on the O'Reilly Factor as a stooge. She opens the latest show with this little ditty with a guy that's. Well, I'm sorry, with a guy who is the columnist for the New York Times. Here we go, boss.

[News Anchor]

Douthat. Welcome to Firing Line.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks so much for having me, Margaret.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great to be here.

[News Anchor]

President Trump delivered his first address to Congress this week and declared that he had accomplished more in 43 days than most administrations accomplish in four or eight years. The fact is the economy is showing some flashing signs. His approval rating is lower than any modern president at this point in his term. And his alliance with Elon Musk. Musk is deeply unpopular. How do you assess the opportunities and the real risks of the moment we're in?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I think what you just said is basically correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's. She's no William F. Buckley.

[Adam Curry]

So that's what we have to deal with. Pbs, thank you very much, people. Stop sending your money to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is the report about the ongoing negotiations taking place in going to take place Saudi Arabia.

[News Anchor]

With Russian airstrikes continuing to rain down on Ukraine as Moscow claims more advances, the pressure for Kiev to end the three year war is at boiling point. President Zelensky has confirmed Ukrainian negotiators will travel to Saudi Arabia next week for talks with US officials and he's optimistic for dialogue.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are preparing a meeting in Saudi Arabia.

[News Anchor]

I'm confident that the meeting will be productive.

[John C. Dvorak]

We in Ukraine are committed to this. We will do our best to ensure that Ukrainian interests are taken into account.

[News Anchor]

Taken into account.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the right way.

[News Anchor]

Zelensky will also be present in the Gulf Kingdom for his pre planned visit with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, though he will not be participating in the negotiations. The war is at a critical juncture for Kyiv after Donald Trump suspended crucial US Military aid for Ukraine after his very public clash with Zelensky in the Oval Office last week. Trump has also defended Russia's relentless bombardment on Ukraine since the eight pause, calling it what anybody would do. The Saudi talks, though, show a step forward for Kyiv in repairing ties with Washington.

[Adam Curry]

That's not defending. He wasn't defending it. He was just saying that's what anyone would do. That's not the same as defending. This is a false report.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Franz van Katra. You know, the people with the nukes.

[News Anchor]

Donald Trump. Trump suspended crucial US Military aid for Ukraine after his very public clash with Zelensky in the Oval Office last week. Trump has also defended Russia's relentless bombardment on Ukraine since the aid pause, calling it what anybody would do. The Saudi talks, though, show a step forward for Kyiv in repairing ties with Washington, with the US Envoy saying Thursday the idea is to create a framework for a longer agreement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Framework.

[Adam Curry]

I think that the President has said.

[John C. Dvorak]

That there's a path back and President.

[Adam Curry]

Zelensky has demonstrated that he's intent on that good faith path back. He's apologized. He said he's grateful. He said that he wants to work towards peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's apologized. He's grateful. Okay. Well, I don't think that was really the issue ever. But you're talking about the. The speech. The joint. The joint session, whatever you call it. Not the State of the Union. Union.

[Adam Curry]

State speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, just the speech. I noticed something that happened while the President was speaking and it was corroborated and I'd kind of forgotten about it. Did you notice that while he was speaking, a little white dot appeared on his left sleeve?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I noticed it because he has blue jacket on. All of a sudden there's this white dot. I'm like, oh, this. Almost like one of those very small pieces of Styrofoam. Like a round Styrofoam ball.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turns out one of the Democrats shot a spitball at him.

[Adam Curry]

Is that right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I don't have confirmation on who did it yet, but somebody shot a spitball. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. This is like the fifth grade or something. These guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. You can go back and look at it.

[Adam Curry]

It wouldn't actually completely surprise me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. So for those of you. Not in America. A spitball is done with a straw. And you take a little piece of paper and you put it in your mouth, make it all nice and wet, and you jam it into the straw and then you pull. You shoot it out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's like a blowgun.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

It's a cheap. It's a kid's version of a blowgun. And if you've ever used a blow gun. I don't know if you ever have had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Many times. Many times have I used.

[Adam Curry]

Those things are astonishingly accurate and powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, back in the day in the Netherlands, when we first arrived there in 72, all the kids were walking around with the same device. And. And I was like, oh, what is this? So you get a piece of PVC pipe and they'd saw it off. Just that regular plastic kind of beige ish PVC pipe that you put wiring through. And then they'd walk around with strips of newspaper in their belt and they'd whip a piece out, wrap it around their finger, make it into a dart, rip off the tail end so it fits perfectly into the tube and. And they would just be shooting blow darts at each other all the time. I got really good at rolling those darts, actually. That was the precursor to my joints, I think. But that was. Yeah. And then.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I used a commercial blow dart, a big one. It was about 4ft long, and it had a real dart, and it was pretty amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, I have a jingle for us. Where is it? Someone. Someone sent a couple of these in. Yeah, here it is. Yeah, baby. Although technically, I have learned I'm Generation Jones. I'm sorry? Generation Jones.

[Adam Curry]

Jones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It has a Wikipedia page. So it's true.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Some guy like you put it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Generation Jones is the generation or social cohort between the baby boomers and generation X. So being born in 1964, I'm officially Generation Jones, unfortunately.

[Adam Curry]

Is it just that year or is it a couple of years? Do you have some leeway here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the leeway is.

[Adam Curry]

No wonder you're jonesing all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's really 64, but if you look at the people who are my fellow Generation Jonesers, Bill Gates, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Barack Obama. I'd rather be a boomer than with those guys. That's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Creeps.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So there was a report in the New York Times about a rift that occurred between Elon Musk and Marco Rubio.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this New York Times report. It's also Maggie Haberman, I think has something to do with It. I don't trust her at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the co author.

[News Anchor]

Some brand new reporting in the New York Times today on a confrontation of sorts inside the White House between Elon Musk and several members of Donald Trump's new cabinet.

[Adam Curry]

With Donald Trump, of course, it's Nicole Wallace. Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's beautiful.

[News Anchor]

The role of Spectator. The Times 5 People with knowledge of the confrontation reports this about an argument between Elon Musk and Marco Rubio. Quote, you fired nobody, Musk told Rubio, then scornfully added that perhaps the only person he had fired was a staff member from his Department of Government Efficiency. Rubio had been privately furious with Musk for weeks, ever since his DOGE team effectively shuttered an entire agency that was supposedly under Rubio's control, the United States Agency for International Development. Musk was not being truthful. Rubio said, what about the more than 1500 State Department officials who took early retirement in buyouts? Didn't they count as layoffs? He asked sarcastically whether Musk wanted him to rehire all those people just so he can make a show of firing them again. Then he laid out his detailed plans for reorganizing the State Department. Musk was unimpressed. He told Rubio he was, quote, good on tv, with a clear subtext being he wasn't good for much else. Where was Donald Trump in all this? The Times reports that he sat back as if he was watching a tennis match. Ultimately, he, quote, intervened to defend. Wait for it. Rubio, great job. Rubio has a lot to deal with. The president. President said, he's very busy. He's always traveling and on tv, and he has an agency to run. So everyone just needs to work together, end quote. And then, for the first time since his inauguration, Trump put some restraints on Elon Musk. From this reporting, quote, from now on, he said, the secretaries would be in charge. The Musk team will only advise.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I, of course, don't know if there was a real, you know, huffy shouting match or something that went on, but I do know firsthand information that the DOGE people were kicked out. Even the unregistered DOGE people were kicked out, you know, because there were some other. Some other personnel that were put in that, you know, were kind of kicked out of.

[Adam Curry]

What, the meeting or the State Department?

[John C. Dvorak]

The State Department. And this is bad because I.

[Adam Curry]

Why is it bad?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the State Department is more trouble than usaid?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, the State Department is the worst. And they have their own secret, they have their own intelligence. Nobody wants to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. So Rubio, I think we have to keep a sharp eye on him. And maybe President Trump is all in. It's like, okay, you keep your secret intelligence group. You keep all. I mean, every single embassy is a CIA station. Haven't heard much about the CIA lately either.

[Adam Curry]

No, they're laying low for some reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe it's related, but there's. I mean, not clearing out the State Department and. Okay, whatever. 1500 people took voluntary leave. They took the buyout. Fine. I'm skeptical about the State Department.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we could do a whole Libjo episode on that alone. Oh, can you believe it? It. The bromance is over. The bromance is over. Elon's got. He's not allowed to do anything. He's being curtailed by Trump. Orange man.

[Adam Curry]

No good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some people actually like that. Yeah, no, when we did that on the last show.

[Adam Curry]

The skit, you mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the skit we did. What I got back was, was, wow, y'all, he sounded so much happier. It was much more light hearted.

[Adam Curry]

Happy? What do you mean, sounded happier? Two guys grousing about the President.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just telling you that that's how they heard it. It was music to their ears. Anyway, here's the NBC follow up on this.

[News Anchor]

All of this comes against the backdrop of these tensions between Elon Musk, who's charged. Charged with slashing the federal government, and the cabinet secretaries. I asked Secretary Lutnick about that.

[Adam Curry]

He wouldn't. This hand's talking now, isn't it? Who Manhands the man Welker. Isn't this Welker?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure. Let me look.

[Adam Curry]

The one they have to yellow up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. This is Courtney Cube. Courtney.

[Adam Curry]

Courtney Cube. I never heard of her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, well, I looked her up for you somewhere. She's a. She's a correspondent.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary Lutnick, about that, he wouldn't kind.

[News Anchor]

Of go so far as to say, look, bottom line, the President said we're all in charge of our own agencies. But what are you hearing about?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. This is Manhands now. Cube comes in.

[News Anchor]

Came out of that. Yeah, that's right. I mean, this is the first time that we've heard that some frustrations that frankly have been in place for several weeks now are actually boiling over. And what I was really struck by was they boiled over in front of press President Trump. So in this case, there were several of the cabinet secretaries who confronted Elon Musk on Thursday about the way that doge is doing these firings. So it's not just the firings in general, but how they are doing it, cutting thousands of employees, in some cases having to bring some of them back because they are not taking into account employees performance or some of the critical nature of the jobs that they're doing that was really at issue here. Now this is something that Republicans have concerned about. That's why Elon Musk met with them Wednesday night on the Hill. They met for two hours, but at the end of the day, Elon Musk still has a lot of authority. What we did see out of this cabinet meeting was President Trump said, look, the secretaries have the authority to make their own firings here, but if you don't do enough, Doge will step in. Remember, most of these secretaries will do enough. I will say the president also walked out of it saying Elon Musk is doing an amazing job. I think his, his, his role is, his role as buddy is probably still pretty safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

First body. So not.

[Adam Curry]

I got some Doge clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let's do some. Give me some Doge. You got any Doge? How much Doge?

[Adam Curry]

Three, four Doge clips. But let's play this one. Doge. Npr. This is the NPR report.

[News Anchor]

Millions of federal workers are still weighing how to respond to a second email sent over the weekend asking them to justify their jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're still doing this.

[Adam Curry]

Another round.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, another round.

[News Anchor]

NPR's Bobby Allen reports. The messages are part of Elon Musk's push to root out debt or non existent workers.

[Adam Curry]

He's now asked the federal workforce twice to list five bullet points about their accomplishments. He said ignoring it could lead to termination.

[John C. Dvorak]

To former Twitter employees, it sounds familiar. When Musk took over the social media.

[Adam Curry]

Company, he launched a payroll audit to see how many fake people were on Twitter's page. Payroll. Ian Brown worked at Twitter for nearly a decade.

[News Anchor]

The wild sort of paranoia of just.

[Adam Curry]

Like woke zombies not doing stuff is just complete fantasy. Musk has called the messages a pulse check, suggesting without evidence, without evidence, without evidence that taxpayers are paying the salaries and benefits of phantom employees.

[John C. Dvorak]

That always happens in government. It always happens without evidence.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, without evidence. Well, let's go to the Doge analysis from npr. And of course the AT sign means two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got you.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why I keep doing that, but here we go. Here's Doge analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's exactly what the clip says. The headlines say new limits on Elon Musk.

[Adam Curry]

And that's your guy right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy is so awesome. As Far as this new analysis on Elon Musk, the headlines say new limits on Elon Musk and that President Trump is reigning in Doge.

[Adam Curry]

So the president put it in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oval Office this week, referring to his Cabinet secretaries.

[Adam Curry]

So we're going to be watching them.

[News Anchor]

And Elon and the group are going.

[Adam Curry]

To be watching them. And if they can cut, it's better. And if they don't cut, then Elon will do the cutting.

[John C. Dvorak]

NPR senior Washington editor and correspondent Ron Elving joins us. Ron, thanks for being with us. Good to be with this guy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what are we seeing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they putting a leash on that Doge?

[Adam Curry]

It's been so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, when he says it's even better. Are they putting a leash on that Doge? Well, what are we seeing? Are they putting a leash on that Doge? It's been sold that way like it's.

[Adam Curry]

Trump siding with his cabinet over Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you listen to that clip we just heard, it still seems that Musk gets to come along batting cleanup and deciding whether the Cabinet secretaries and other Senate confirmed officials have done enough. So who decides what's enough?

[Adam Curry]

Is it Musk or is it Trump himself?

[John C. Dvorak]

And do we know whether that's really a difference? The New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan have reported that there have.

[Adam Curry]

Been clashes between Musk and members of the Cabinet, including Secretary of State Marco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rubio, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, both of whom were reported to have been scolded by Musk for not cutting enough and.

[Adam Curry]

For having too many DEI hires still working for their department.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, it's outrageous. I tell you. Put a leash on that Doge. Yes, I'm no Elon Musk fan, but I kind of take his side in this.

[Adam Curry]

You know, there's a funny thing before I play the second clip, they're trying, they're trying to slander him as much as they can in the one. And the Atlantic is the one that's a kind of a go to for this sort of thing thing the Atlantic had, which had an article recently on how if you have your own backyard chickens, you're losing your ass on the free eggs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

I would talk about it some other time, but in that same issue, they had a report on Musk being a ketamine freak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So he's like on ketamine. So he's got that same, you know, Kevin Rose's big fan academy, all these guys are ketamine guys and they all end up with a funny look on their face. And I realized that, yeah, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is because you know who else is on ketamine?

[Adam Curry]

Who?

[John C. Dvorak]

Professor Scott Galloway.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that doesn't surprise me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's also doing the ketamine thing.

[Adam Curry]

And the article talks about how Musk started using ketamine because he's depressed, he's a depressive, and it brings you out of depression. And I think Rose talked about this too. And then you get locked into this kind of funny state of mind which they claim makes you feel. And I relate this back to, I think, the 1981, 82 era when time magazine made cocaine the man of the year.

[John C. Dvorak]

I missed that one.

[Adam Curry]

In the article about cocaine, they said that cocaine makes you feel like you. Gives you overconfidence. And it sounds as if the ketamine does the same thing. You sound like you're a world beater. And as I was reading this, then I found out that Kevin Rose has restarted Dig. He's rebooted it. And I'm thinking, well, that's kind of an interesting ego thing to do for him. But with Musk being all jacked up on ketamine because I guess he's gone in and out of overusing it beyond what he's supposed to to. It's disconcerting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's just tell everybody what ketamine is. Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer.

[Adam Curry]

It's a horse tranquilizer that the zombies like to use in San Francisco. That's when it first showed up in the news around here where the. Where the fentanyl users would use fentanyl and ketamine. And you can still see, you can go drive around San Francisco downtown and see these guys are kind of. They're kind of hunched over. They can't stand completely up straight. And they walk with a stagger of weird stagger. And they're just wandering around San Francisco all over the place and disheveled. They're disheveled and their clothes are dirty and their pants are falling off. And this is the combination of fentanyl and ketamine, which is called the zombie drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not happy about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Fentanyl and ketamine is called the breakfast of champions.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And you can see the many champions roaming around the streets of San Francisco pooping in the street. The champion in the champion way.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's a moment in the ketamine usage where you fall into the so called K hole. And the K hole is when you're just completely immobilized and you can see what's going on. But you can't speak, you can't move. You're just in the K hole. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is not the K hole itself, as that term is not discussed. But they do discuss the dissociative characteristics where you dissociate. In other words, you leave your body.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So maybe. Maybe Elon's in a constant state of K hole or on the edge.

[Adam Curry]

There's a man. There's just about five lines went by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me that I could have used, and not a one came out. What good are you?

[Adam Curry]

Not one came out. Well, that's because of the Daylight Savings Time.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right?

[Adam Curry]

That's the reason. Part two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part two is the Department of Government Efficiency, a potential political liability for Congressional Republicans because, after all, federal jobs are getting cut in their states.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's right. It's not a clear liability yet, at least not for Republicans in Congress, because as we saw on Tuesday night at the State of the Union, Musk is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still a hero to Trump fans, both in Congress and beyond. Musk still polls well among Trump supporters.

[Adam Curry]

But the Musk stock may have seen its peak. Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will see how the cuts to Veterans affairs staffing, for example, go down with the families of vets in the care of the victim. And we'll also see how much Musk gets to do with Social Security.

[Adam Curry]

That's the most popular federal program in history, by all measures.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Musk has compared Social Security to.

[Adam Curry]

An illegal private investment swindle.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did that on Joe Rogan's podcast last month. Everybody's got a podcast. I bet you that you have that as an ISO. You better do. You have that as an ISO. Tell me. Everybody's got a power crash. So, first of all, he called it a Ponzi scheme, which it is. Which is.

[Adam Curry]

He called it a Ponzi scheme. It's a Ponzi scheme because they've been stealing from the fund.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And so just take the money from the new people and give it to the old people. It is a literal Ponzi scheme, not Aurora Free.

[Adam Curry]

It's not the way it was designed.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not the way it was designed.

[Adam Curry]

It was a separate fund. Designed as a separate fund. And insurance. Insurance fund. Separate from the tax. The basic. The tax pot of taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what they're doing here and what they're. And they're continuously scaring Americans with this. Oh, he's gonna. He's coming for your Social Security. He's coming for your medic. Well, the fact is, the government got your Social Security a long time ago. There is no Social Security unless we keep making babies and new people to fund the Social Security. So you get your check. So that's just not true. And what is he coming for? Your. They're always doing. You don't want him with your sensitive information, but everyone gives it to TikTok, to Instagram and Facebook. Give me a break. But it's working. It's working. And I feel so bad because we're seeing the same kind of splits happening in families and friendships that happened during COVID It's exactly the same. It's not that fun. Funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funny to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You have no friends. And do you have family?

[Adam Curry]

I know. I lost all my friends.

[John C. Dvorak]

You lost all your friends during COVID You finally got the Libjos back. Be careful. Be careful.

[Adam Curry]

Libjos back. Barely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't bet with them. They just get mad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know, I made it. Oh, talking about the bet. I. Jace, I made it. I hate to do this to my own son.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did you do?

[Adam Curry]

I wish people would stop betting with me. I just. Don't lose.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've actually been kind to me and saying, no, I'm not going to take that bet. But yet you bet your own flesh and blood. What was the bet for?

[Adam Curry]

It was. Because it was at the dinner table and everyone witnessed this, and I didn't look like I was going to be a weenie and back down from this idiotic bet. But this is another one of these political bets. And this was. I don't know what got into him because he's a smart kid. He's like, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's brilliant.

[Adam Curry]

He's brilliant. He says. And we. And he insisted the bet be 500 bucks. I think I got you for 500 once.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least once.

[Adam Curry]

And I told you not to bet anymore. You wanted to bet five grand or some ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was on the Microsoft. No, on the Facebook stock price, which you. Oh, the stock price very graciously said, no, I'm not going to take that bet. I don't want to take money from a baby. And you were right. It was great. I appreciate that, but. Well, never mind. Doesn't matter.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the bet. J.D. vance is gonna run in 20. I can't believe this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I get in on the action here? Is it still time?

[Adam Curry]

You probably could, but I'm not gonna allow it. J.D. vance is going to run for president in 2028, and the vice president is going to be Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. That's like a Fredericksburg rumor, only it used to be the Vice president will be JFK Jr. They've kind of let that. They've kind of let that go. But no, they.

[Adam Curry]

He is alive. The idiocy of this, this concept. And he says, no, you. Because then he talked about the law, about being, you know, getting in for eight years or whatever, and he went on and on, totally convinced of it. I have no idea where he got this from. Oh, it's been going around the back bet. And he insisted on the bet being inflation proof.

[John C. Dvorak]

Inflation proof?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So in other words, today's 500 bucks, whatever it's worth in four years will be what the total amount of the bet will be. So he's going to owe me more by 540 bucks or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

It's just beyond me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to stick that kid back in the womb. He needs some re baking.

[Adam Curry]

He'll get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He needs rebaking. That's no good, huh?

[Adam Curry]

And why do these bets come my way like this?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just because they think they can take money from an old man. And I learned a long time ago that's a big mistake. It's a big mistake when it comes to these bets. Don't try to take money from. Well, oh, wait. Oh, that's a very good idea. Hold on a second. Hold on. Thank you. I'm not going to say it on the air yet because I want to make sure I can get it. This is a very good idea. I like this idea. Idea.

[Adam Curry]

So we have one more Doge clip, which is just a. It's kind of a throwaway. This is the Doge Doge suit and how it's working backwards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The attorneys general of Washington, D.C. and.

[News Anchor]

19 states are suing more than 20 federal agencies over the firings of probationary employees. NPR's Andrea Shue reports. The Democratic attorneys general argue that federal agencies, agencies falsely told probationary employees they were being fired because of their performance. In fact, the states argue the agencies were trying to shrink their headcount, but they failed to follow proper procedures for doing so. Federal law requires agencies to notify states when laying off 50 or more people so that states can jump into action and try to prevent instability throughout the economic region. States are required to reach out to those lists losing their jobs and provide support with the goal of reducing their reliance on public assistance. The states have asked federal court to reinstate the workers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I tried to get TrumpVP.com yeah, already taken. Let me try TrumpVP2028.com oh, yeah. Boom. Got it. That'll be worth Something, probably.

[Adam Curry]

This is. If my son has this in his brain, that means it came.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's out there. It's out there.

[Adam Curry]

It's out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Trump vp.

[Adam Curry]

Why is it out there? People are nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but this is where we're at. I mean, have you looked at X lately? I mean, just look at what's going on. I mean, there's a lot of nutty things out there right now. A lot. Mainly from Ian Carroll. He seems to be the main progenitor. You've seen Ian, Carl, Carol, you've seen it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And here's. Here's an example of what's on Exit. You're talking about. This is Jasmine Crockett.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, gosh. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And I have the documentation that she's nuts. Yes, but she's like a leading candidate for president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't she from Texas?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a Texas girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All of a sudden she's talking like she's from the Bronx.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know, and not only that, but if people have looked into her background. Background, she was a privileged black girl. She went to private schools, finishing school for all practical purposes. And then she. But she tries to be ghetto.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ok?

[News Anchor]

City law enforcement, local law enforcement, they are always going after crime.

[Adam Curry]

And they don't say, oh, you committed a murder.

[News Anchor]

Oh, but you're an immigrant.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me let you go. Right. So they are always focused on crime.

[News Anchor]

They continue to say things like the.

[Adam Curry]

Illegals and that they broke the law coming in.

[News Anchor]

But what they're not telling the American people is that it is a civil violation. It is not a criminal violation to enter the country illegally. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a criminal. It's crime. It's not a crime. Which is why they're so frustrated, because.

[News Anchor]

They really want our local law enforcement to go out and round up people when they could be looking out for the murderers and the sexual abusers as.

[Adam Curry]

Well as the robbers. They want them to go around people.

[News Anchor]

Up on civil accusations. And so that's why I wanted to point out.

[Adam Curry]

Don't give me this fake outrage about criminals roaming our streets. When you guys stand 10 toes down for the biggest criminal that we have ever seen go into the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, AOC has a problem as far as I'm concerned.

[Adam Curry]

That's not aoc.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's. I know it's not aoc.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you mean, oh, because of the president there theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just that she's just.

[Adam Curry]

This girl's gonna beat her out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just in general, there's a. There's a new Sheriff in town. AOC is getting tired. You know, she. She has a lot going for.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I could get clips from her. She's hanging in there. I want to just talk about what. What Jasmine said here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

This is bull crap. Okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Really.

[Adam Curry]

Simply being. Okay, now, she's right about simply being present in the US without paper is a civil offense. This is true. And she's assuming that, in other words, you're a student, you come in, you stay, your visa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lots of students have done that, and.

[Adam Curry]

There'S lots of that. However, I'm going to take this right from the document here. However, entering our. Or entering or re. Entering the US without proper authorization can be criminal. Specifically, 8 US Code 1325 makes improper entry a misdemeanor, which is a crime punishable by up to six months in prison and. Or a fine. But U.S. code 1326 of section 8 or 8 U.S. code makes it illegal to. It makes it a felony if you've been thrown out and you come back in. Yes, with penalties that can include up to two years in prison and more under certain circumstances. So. So she's full of crap about it being civil. This is misdemeanor and felony, both criminal. She's. She's nuts. And people listen to. Oh, okay, just look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's having her moments. Let her have her moment. She's having a moment.

[Adam Curry]

No, they're giving her a moment because they. Because she.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they've got no one else.

[Adam Curry]

Good media.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've got no one else. They've got no one else. Did you see?

[Adam Curry]

She cusses and she acts ghetto.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see that? The. The purple witch creep from Connecticut.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I love her.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's great for the show. But I don't know if you can. I have. I pulled the clip.

[Adam Curry]

It's no good for the show because you can't see her. You have to see her. She looks like an old witch. An old crone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crone. How do you spell that? C, R, O, N, E. What is an old crone?

[Adam Curry]

An old crone. A crone. That's a. That's a wizened old woman. That's a. That's supposedly smart. And. And. But it's a crone. She's a crone. She's an old crone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her name is Rosa Deloro.

[Adam Curry]

She's from New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rosa the crone. She's Connecticut. She's the Connecticut.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

She's good. Well, New York, Connecticut, what difference does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's. It's as if someone went to the Trump Gen Z group and said, hey, tell this lady that she needs to do her video like this. And she throws in skibidi and sus and cringe and the bag, yo.

[Adam Curry]

This is the ranking rizzler on appropriations.

[John C. Dvorak]

The rankling rizzler serving Connecticut's third district.

[Adam Curry]

It's time to enter your dark academia Congress era.

[News Anchor]

All right, besties, House appropriation is the money moves in Congress.

[Adam Curry]

We are not chasing the bag. We are the bag.

[News Anchor]

Democrats are making life smoother for government funding.

[Adam Curry]

It's giving. It's giving it so Sigma main character energy.

[News Anchor]

But Republicans, Project 2025 is mad sus.

[Adam Curry]

Eliminating the Department of Education, negative aura points.

[News Anchor]

Basically the biggest fandom tax on the.

[Adam Curry]

Environment, on your education and your rights. Big L posting it online, buddy. Democrats understood the assignment, but go off, see how I keep you informed. Very cutesy, very demure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody's trying something. Everybody's trying to get some kind of viral moment to become the leader or the front runner. I mean, it's wide open. There's nobody leading the Democrat to become the leader. Well, she. Look at her hair. Did she expect for people to think that was a good look? No. Now she's nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's deluded.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This makes it so good. Speaking of.

[Adam Curry]

Unfortunately, people should try to track that. They showed it a lot. All over the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's all over the place.

[Adam Curry]

You have to see it to appreciate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This is not a great clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the troll room. Who hadn't heard it? They were. They liked it. So speaking of delusional, Rachel Maddow. Sorry, I actually have two clips today from Rachel Maddow because, you know, she.

[Adam Curry]

Is back because she was banned from.

[John C. Dvorak]

The show, but she's here only for 100 days. So, you know, we can. We can ban her. She unbanned. Temporarily unbanned. Because she was. Hey, hey. She gets a pardon. She's getting a part. A temporary pardon. A temporary protection order from the show she had Elizabeth Warren on. And Elizabeth Warren lays out that, you know, now that Donald Trump, President Trump and Elon Musk out there breaking all these laws, which I have. I have yet to understand what laws they break. Broken. Do you have any examples?

[Adam Curry]

They've broken the law of common sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, see, there's a strategy here because if you don't obey the law as an underling, as a minion in the swamp, you're going to go to jail.

[News Anchor]

What do you make of this big, I think, constitutionally existential question, existential question about Whether or not court rules rulings are gonna be treated as optional by these guys, their brazenness.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is my point. No one has ignored a court order as far as I know. The president keeps saying, oh well, we'll have to go back or go up to Supreme Court.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're always gonna go back and re, you know, yeah, they're gonna appeal everything that happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. But what Rachel, ignoring what Rachel Maddow is setting everybody up to think that they are ignoring the law. And that's where Elizabeth Warren comes in.

[News Anchor]

Breaking the law, whether it's with the CFPB or USAID or any of these other things they're doing, seems to me born of a kind of confidence that can only.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was there any law broken with shutting down USAID or cfpb? I don't think so. Do you know of any law that was broken?

[Adam Curry]

I think there's some procedural issues that they could complain about. You know, people were fired without cause. It seems in some situations.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got 8 month payout. Payout.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a good deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a good deal. I'll take an eight month payout from this show.

[News Anchor]

Be born of a kind of confidence that can only come from their expectation that the courts don't mean much at the end of the day and that illegality is not necessarily a reason to avoid doing something that they really want to do. You're right. We've got our two.

[Adam Curry]

You mean like student debt relief? Is she talking about like student debt relief that the court just said, no, you can't do this, but Biden did it anyway? Is that what she's talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what about it. Your whataboutism. Stop. Your whataboutism that they really want to do.

[News Anchor]

Oh, you're right. We've got our toes right on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or how about having the Federal Housing Authority pick up the tab for like something crazy like a trillion dollars worth of mortgages that have are delinquent. Have you heard about that?

[Adam Curry]

I think I did, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some guy with a video going around about it like that's, that's pretty bad.

[News Anchor]

Right on the edge of a constitutional crisis here. But here's the thing. It may be the case that Donald Trump is so full of confidence that he thinks he can wave his wand and whatever he wants to happen will happen. And in many cases he will be right. For example, the Republicans in the Senate just go ahead and confirm people for jobs that they know they are not qualified for, so they will kowtow to him. But I don't think that's going to happen with the courts. And here's the next part. They may not be able to force Donald Trump to do something, but Donald Trump isn't actually the guy who puts in the orders and cuts people's paychecks. There's somebody else in the system who does that. And they're a click down from Donald Trump and a click down from that and a click down from that. And when, when a federal court issues an order and then gets people in front of them and says, you either follow that order or find yourself in contempt. Now we're going to see whether or not those are people who are going to say, oh, but Donald Trump told me. And a judge is going to say, I don't care what Donald Trump told you. I'm telling you what the law is. You follow the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

All hypothetical.

[Adam Curry]

And if what she says is true, then who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Then what's the big deal, Rachel? What's the big deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Then we're good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Sounds like it to me. I don't see what the problem is.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of protests. By the way, the Fredericksburg 50, they were also protesting against Elon and Tesla.

[Adam Curry]

And oh yeah, you got to protest against Tesla.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although weren't there revenues up? Did I read something that they actually had a pretty good quarterly?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they have a lot of international sales. Is a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the, the big problem is the scientists. The scientists, you know, funding is getting cut everywhere. They're not, they're not getting to do all their projects. Which of course comes from the transgender mice story. That was quite interesting.

[Adam Curry]

When I was a kid, in the olden days or places like Bell Lab, these corporations would have their own damn research. They didn't rely on government handouts to do fake research. How did that change? Don't these corporations and these high paid CEOs, shouldn't they take some of that money and put it into R and D?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's all the universities. The universities get all that money. The universities provide the lab and then the grants go to the scientists. And they were out protesting. Hundreds were standing up for science. Science because if. Standing up for science because if the funding goes away, well, all hell's gonna break loose.

[News Anchor]

Scientists and researchers from institutions across the Front Range making time to leave their workplaces on Friday and rallying for science funding at the state capitol. Science is factual and it saves lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very cathartic to be out here.

[News Anchor]

Screaming at the top of, of our lungs. These researchers.

[John C. Dvorak]

It feels cathartic. To be out here screaming at the top of our lungs. That's called.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn't it. Wasn't there a, like a. I think a Rolfing or something used to be a Rolfing. A therapy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Rolfing. Rolfing, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Roll thing. You yell at the top of your lungs and you felt good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, I think Rolfing is also. They do. Well, you scream at the top of your lungs while they're putting their knuckles in your back. I think there was a two parter on that.

[Adam Curry]

I think that was a massage parlor. I've heard of it. Sexual. And it saves lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very cathartic to be out here.

[News Anchor]

Screaming at the top of our lungs. These researchers from CU Anschutz say every day feels like they're in limbo. Last month, the federal judge temporarily blocked a Trump administration policy that would significantly lower the agency's funding for major research institutions. Institutions more specifically limiting NIH research funding for overhead expenses that make their work possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those court ordered restrictions fall by the wayside.

[News Anchor]

We will be doomed within a matter of weeks. The cuts would eliminate a total of nearly $90 million in NIH funding at CSU, CU Anschutz and CU Boulder. These scientists say the impacts to research in Colorado would be huge. So you're not getting the future training for future scientists and researchers, but you're also not going to be making the discoveries that allow us to improve health.

[Adam Curry]

And allow us to identify those new.

[News Anchor]

Targets and new biomarkers and new drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

New drugs. We won't have new drugs that save lives.

[Adam Curry]

Pharmaceutical companies are supposed to invest in research and development for new drugs. Big pharma. What does it got to do with you?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they do. After you create the drug drugs, then pharma, you know, pays you handsomely with the, you know, you get a nice little residual and then they pay you to promote it in your white lab coat. I'm generalizing, of course. Yeah. And, and even. Oh man, this was. This is on. On par with the. With the Connecticut witch. Former NIH director Francis Collins probably got this clip. Probably as much responsible for the co.

[Adam Curry]

Covid for prolonging be in jail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, probably. That guy's just no good. And I remember during COVID he was out there with his guitar and then he and his wife were singing Puff the Magic Dragon songs. You remember that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, do we still have that? Let me see. Let me see if we still have that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he likes to play the guitar, that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he only plays folk songs. Songs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because he could. Yeah, because he's only five chords. He needs to know. And he just plays them and sings off key. That's what folk song is today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here he is at the stand up for Science rally. Noble dream.

[News Anchor]

You got that? So it's just all the good people.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the second line, part of this family.

[Adam Curry]

And the last line.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're joined together by this noble dream.

[News Anchor]

Do that with me.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a song for all the good people.

[Adam Curry]

Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't eat the brown acid. Part of this family. This is a song for all the.

[Adam Curry]

Good people we're joined together by this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Noble dream Whoa, whoa. This, well, this is a song for.

[Adam Curry]

All of those dreamers we're looking for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Answers to come our way. Scientists, doctors, students, all seekers who share in the hopes for a much brighter day.

[Adam Curry]

Come on now.

[John C. Dvorak]

The toilets are inaccessible. For all the good people. All right, I gotta stop that. It's too much. It's too much. Well, that will stop. That will show Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that'll stop men his traps.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'll show him.

[Adam Curry]

Bastard.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is one thing that I found quite interesting after, you know, after this, the state of the not State of the Union speech that the president did. He man, David Wicker is texting me. He. So he discussed the research for transgender mice. Now, technically, what the $8 million for transgender mice, Technically it was to test the response to mice being transitioned with either testosterone or estrogen and different puberty blockers, et cetera. But you could kind of say that's, you know, testing transgender mice. But that then got a big lie came out. Oh no, they read that wrong. Doge read it wrong. It's a trans. Trans. What was it? Trans, genetic, whatever. But that. So CNN was out there saying this for about a week. Oh, he lied. It's not. They misread it. They don't know the difference between transgender and transgenetic. But they had to go back and correct that. They fact checked it and CNN published that. Oh, well then, you know, I don't think they said it on the air. So we were wrong about that. But the president wasn't right either because it wasn't really transgender mice. Like that's a thing. But they were testing puberty blockers and other transgender transitioning drugs on the mice. So you can hear this now take place. Axelrod was on the panel with Van Jones and Scott Jennings. And Scott Jennings even says as Van Jones because he wasn't read in on it because he still hanging out with his hundred million dollars from Bezos doing whatever. He has no time to follow everything. Didn't get the briefing. He's like. And then Jennings actually says. What were we told to say, Van? Because Scott Jennings knows the initial blush of Musk with his chainsaw may have had some resonance. The fact that he's cutting down stuff indiscriminately, less so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not all indiscriminate. I mean, we don't really need the transgender mice, do we? I mean, it is real.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, man.

[Adam Curry]

It's real. No, listen.

[News Anchor]

Is it real or not?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Did we.

[News Anchor]

Did we have to.

[Adam Curry]

Did we have to say it was real or not?

[News Anchor]

It's real. I mean, Musk was a she.

[Adam Curry]

Real thing. Listen, what they were talking about trans. Don't defend the mice. No, no, listen, I. You don't want to talk about it. We don't talk about it. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they were.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't transgender. It was a different term that was misinterpreted as transgender. They were actually trying to doing basic medical experiment on. On mice to figure out.

[News Anchor]

Don't spoil a good troll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jennings is having a good troll.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying. Here's the point. They have found some things. Yes.

[News Anchor]

And it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there you go. So Van Jones. It's a different term. He didn't know the term. Stop counting your money, Van. Can you believe the basis.

[Adam Curry]

You got 100 million bucks out of the blue. You got to spend all your time money managing after that. It's so annoying to read the newspaper even.

[John C. Dvorak]

So annoying. I have no more time to do anything else. I'm counting the money. It's a problem. Who gave this was. I think this was clip custodian or his brother gave me this clip. The last time time a president tried to undo the Department of Education was Ronald Reagan. And Meet the Press brought up an old clip from his. From his doge guy.

[News Anchor]

President Trump is considering an executive order which would abolish the Department of Education, though as a federal department, it cannot be eliminated without congressional approval. But Mr. Trump is not the first president to push for its republic removal. Ronald Reagan also tried to scrap the Education Department, but he later backed down, citing lack of support in Congress. Reagan's Education Secretary, William Bennett, joined Meet the Press to explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

As I've said to conservatives in the past six months, if. If we're elected, we ought to govern and we ought to govern aggressively. The president, you know, nine months ago said he changed his mind about the department. He said he didn't think we needed.

[Adam Curry]

To get rid of it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said it wasn't bothering anybody anymore. I would say now it's bothering the right people.

[Adam Curry]

You have said, though, that sometimes Republicans seem to think that you just don't need to spend money on education. What did you mean by that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we are, as a nation going.

[News Anchor]

To spend more money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Americans like to spend more money on education. And when we put forward our budget proposals, and admittedly on some occasions we asked for reductions, Congress just rejected them out of hand.

[Adam Curry]

The American people want to spend more.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what we know is it's not the spending more, it's what you spend it on. And if we spend it on the right things in those inner cities and those poor schools, we'll get results. If we spend it on the wrong things, what the special interests want us to do, we're not going to get anywhere. Well, should be interesting to see what happens. Does. Does Al Green get.

[Adam Curry]

Let me tell you what's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what you said about Doge. And things have happened. More has happened.

[Adam Curry]

I was skeptical. I'm not going to deny it, but I'm glad that things are happening. But still, there's a lot of pushback. And I think they got to go back to finding these stupid programs and then exposing them, which is what. Rand Paul's been doing this for decades. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He votes.

[Adam Curry]

He comes up every year and he. And he gets no credit. I tried to get a hold of his office to get some comment on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not going to talk to a podcaster.

[Adam Curry]

He's not going to know. You can't even get through to his chief of staff. Staff. It's one of those operations that Mike Lee's got, one of these two. These guys, they basically cut themselves off from the public. They don't want. They're disdainful of any discussion or back and forth with the public, as opposed to other people. I've run into these offices. They'd be glad to help you, but these guys won't help. So instead of getting any kind of credit, Rand Paul is getting nothing. He's a dipshit, the way I see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you call him?

[Adam Curry]

He's been doing the same thing for all these years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you call like a Kentucky accent and say you were constituent?

[Adam Curry]

I could if you want to hear the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So they. Everything you. If you call his office, you always go, everything goes to voicemail.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need to record these, by the way. This is show material that you're just throwing away by not recording it.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. So you if you're media. So I have the media line. So I call the media line. It says, okay, leave your message. Message and tell us when you leave a number. Call back. Tell you what the calls about say, yeah, I'm John C. Dvorak and I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Click.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's that old coot again. Hang up.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just a machine itself. They won't take the call. It's just like it's. You can tell they don't. It's. The thing doesn't give you enough time to even put a phone number in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. So that was it. You gave up after that.

[Adam Curry]

I give up quick.

[John C. Dvorak]

You called me.

[Adam Curry]

What am I supposed to do? I'll bang my head against the wall to give somebody some free publicity. Forget it. They get their own damn publicity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay, do you have a phone patch? Because you definitely need a phone patch. You need to patch that thing in, man. Just so you can get a zoom and just connect it so you can just record whenever. We're always missing the cool scam calls. The all.

[Adam Curry]

I got some great ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but not recorded. You have nothing recorded. This is. This is a problem.

[Adam Curry]

In some ways, I'm a slouch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay. I'm going to violate my rule for the second time just because it was so awesome. And it's a bit of a throwback to the show back to 2015, as President Trump signed the executive order to create the strategic bitcoin reserve. Here is the misinformation from Rachel Maddow.

[News Anchor]

I should say I'm by no means a crypto expert.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to give you a.

[News Anchor]

Lecture on blockchain or any of that. I just, A, I don't know and B, I don't care. But I do think it's worth looking at the thing a little bit.

[Adam Curry]

So if you're going to start off by telling everyone you don't know what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

How does that compare? Compelling tv, radio or whatever. How's it compelling? Hey, Adam, I don't know anything about this topic, but I'm going to pontificate.

[John C. Dvorak]

If both of us are making $25 million a year, I'd be like, I don't care. Pontificate away. I'm good to go.

[Adam Curry]

You got me.

[News Anchor]

Yeah, don't care. But I do think it's worth looking at this crypto thing a little bit. Only because it is a deeply, deeply old fashioned, simple scam at this point, which. Which points right to the White House news from the White House tonight really gives us no choice. You have to look at it. Hopefully, the broad strokes of crypto trading are not complicated. It's like when there was the Beanie Baby craze in the late 90s. People started buying stuff. Animals, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

So she is now about 10 years after us. When we first saw bitcoin, we all said Beanie Babies.

[Adam Curry]

Beanie Babies years ago, at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[News Anchor]

Kind of inherently not worth much, but people were speculating on them. Right? It was a Beanie Baby trading bubble. Other than maybe some emotional value, if you had one as a child, Beanie Babies didn't have much inherent value. And when I mentioned that. The news tonight leaves us not much choice but to talk about this stuff right now, this is what I mean. The White House just posted this video tonight of Donald Trump signing an executive order establishing a digital Fort Knox. As someone says to the President off camera. Trump apparently signing this executive order creating what they're describing as a federal government cryptocurrency reserve. Now, imagine the Beanie Babies again for a second. Imagine Trump had just announced that the US Government was going to.

[Adam Curry]

You know, she just cannot get. She talks too much. Much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, for $25 million, I'll talk up a storm.

[News Anchor]

And imagine Trump had just announced that the US Government was going to buy up tons of Beanie Babies, establish a federal government reserve of billions of Beanie Babies. What do you think would happen to the value of Beanie Babies? Right? Oh, it turns out there's a huge guaranteed buyer for these things. They're buying billions of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so the point here being that she's really full of crap because there is no billions of bitcoin being bought by the federal government. Quite the opposite, actually. And the scam, if it was a scam, worked out really great as bitcoin has dropped down to 83,000.

[Adam Curry]

It's back up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's. It's. It's back down. It's up and down, up and down. But it was. It was close to 108,000. It dropped down after. You know, it took too long because, of course, everyone's in on the scam. It took too long for the strategic bitcoin reserve, and now Trump came out with a meme coin. Oh, no. And now it's down below 85,000. And there's good reasons for that, because a lot of people were stupid and believed exactly what Rachel Maddow said, that there would be a strategic bitcoin reserve and the government be using your tax dollars to buy more Bitcoin. Nothing could be further truth and I think it's actually a great executive order. And here's his announcement of it during the crypto crypto conference.

[Adam Curry]

Yesterday I signed an executive order officially creating our strategic Bitcoin reserve. And this will be a virtual Fort Knox for digital gold to be housed within the United States Treasury. That's a big thing. The federal government is already among the largest holders of Bitcoin as you know, really one of the largest holders in the world with as many as 200,000 bitcoin obtained via civil law and various other forms of law, including enforcement actions. These existing holdings will form the foundation of the new reserve. The treasury and Commerce will Departments will also explore new pathways to accumulate additional bitcoin holdings for the reserve provided it's done at no cost to the taxpayers. We don't want any cost to the taxpayers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now this of course was not the actual big news from this roundtable which I will play in a moment. But just briefly on the executive order. I like the fact that it starts off with the background saying Bitcoin is the original cryptocurrency. The Bitcoin protocol permanently caps the total supply of Bitcoin at 21 million coins and has never been hacked as a result of its scarcity and security. Bitcoin is often referred to as digital gold. And then it says because there's a fixed supply of Bitcoin there's a strategic advantage to being among the first nations to create a strategic Bitcoin reserve. Then the executive order is very clear that no bitcoin will be purchased. If any bitcoin is acquired. It has to be budget neutral. Now that doesn't mean mean that you can't say hey I'm going to fine you company Apple, whatever, Google, they find people all the time pay it to us in bitcoin or any other way but that really. So anybody who was gambling on that to be a big catalyst was very short sighted and just got caught up in hype. The real news came from Scott Betta are openly gay Treasury Secretary. How come they don't mention that?

[Adam Curry]

That's mentioned now and again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not really.

[Adam Curry]

Well they don't push it because it's a demi, because it's a Republican and gay. Can't have the gays thinking that they could be Republicans. We want to keep them on the Democrat side. So don't talk about if you're in the media, you're talking about him being gay. You're doing the wrong thing. You're not helping.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not helping at all. Exactly. But here was the big news. As far as I'm concerned. Much of Treasury's respons of this order relates to the tax code and determinations around risk weightings. And I'm here to assure you that we are going to work with the controller, the currency, the irs and we're.

[News Anchor]

Going to rescind and amend all applicable previous guidance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so that was kind of hard to hear in the second part.

[Adam Curry]

Hard to hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he was. He's saying we're going to change the tax code, which a lot of people think means that there may not be capital gains on selling your Bitcoin. I'm skeptical of that. But here, hopefully you can hear this next part. And we are going to put a.

[Adam Curry]

Lot of thought into the stablecoin regime.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as President Trump has directed, we are going to keep the U.S. the.

[News Anchor]

Dominant reserve currency in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we will use stablecoins to do that.

[Adam Curry]

The trillion dollar coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly as I predicted.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you've been, I have to say you, you've kind of, even though you don't have it, I hate to use this word sussed, since you brought it up earlier. Out completely. I think you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're going to. They're going to. No, I do have it sussed.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, talking about openly gay. Tammy Bruce is now in the administration, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, she is the spokes hole for State Department.

[Adam Curry]

She's the new State or defense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think State. She's the new psaki. Or she defend. Maybe she is defense.

[Adam Curry]

It's one of the two.

[John C. Dvorak]

But she's openly gay. Yeah, it's crazy. LGBTQ rights being violated again, not to be held back. Fifi Lagarde came out president of the European Central bank and inasmuch announced the digital euro coming this October.

[News Anchor]

On your second point, I tend to share your views. Nature doesn't like vacuum. And we started.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is a robot.

[News Anchor]

Started working on the digital euro way back actually when I started my term five and a half years ago. And I'm not claiming, you know, parental. Parentality on.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's totally claiming parental rights to it.

[News Anchor]

The digital euro because my colleague Benoit Cur had already committed a speech on this matter before I arrived. But I certainly carried on with that project and subsequently Fabio Panetta on the board and then Piero Cipollone who has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay, we get it. You did it.

[News Anchor]

You're the best replaced Fabio have, you know, taken the lead together with a very, very good team which is focused on accelerating the pace and hopefully campaigning enough with all the stakeholders, meaning European Parliament, meaning European Council, meaning European Commission, so that we can eventually, you know, not put to bed, but put to reality this digital euro. The deadline for us is going to be October of 25, and we are getting ready for that deadline. But we will not be able to move unless the other parties, the stakeholders, as I call them, Commission, council and parliament, actually complete the legislative process, without which we will not be able to move. And I think it is critically important and it seems to the agnostic or the skeptics, it seems to be more relevant and more of an imperative now than ever before, both on the wholesale and on the retail level.

[John C. Dvorak]

Both. So I'm thinking, since this is a central bank, digital currency, that's how the EU is going to finance the, their weapons industry. Just make a whole bunch of these digital things.

[Adam Curry]

The whole. This is a house of cards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing is. Well, by the way, the. You have so much digital. Everyone was going to be. Your savings is going to be digital. So I'm going to have $100,000 in the bank. Let's say I'm a rich person living in France and the next thing you know, I've got 50,000. What happened to the rest of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you've, you've got, you're helping Ukraine. It's for the good of the country. Do you want war or do you want 50,000?

[Adam Curry]

Was it a Cyprus that had all this digital thing and they just took everyone's money? Okay, all the savings accounts and everybody that lives here, you're half of your money is gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was, that was the Russians. The Russians did that, didn't they? I think the Russians closed it down.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know who did it, but I, I knew and it was just like, well, what are you going to do about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that was.

[Adam Curry]

What happened to my money. It's gone. We took it. Well, I want it back.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like that start the south park and it's gone.

[Adam Curry]

It's like you don't get it back. This is the way it is. This is by law.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be interesting with this. I mean, Rachel Maddow could have talked about the stable coins as Beanie Babies. I would have been in on that. That would have been better than what she did.

[Adam Curry]

But she said herself that she doesn't know what she's talking about. So there you have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in crone. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning, all ships and sea boots on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and all the names and nights out there in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you for a second. All right. 2000, 452. I think that is a little below our recent average.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. For a weekend. Because it's. Because we expected a blurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

A blurt? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And we got nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, we didn't. Oh, the. The average chart is not loading. Cotton gin. Oh, man. Hate it when that happens. Yeah, we expected a blurt. Didn't really. I mean. And you. And you know what? Oh, here we go. The average Sunday last show was 2759. The last 10 shows, 2551. So we're below the average or below the average for the last ten shows, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course, you'd be going offline for a long time. It could have hurt some of that, I'm sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man. Is that Australian gear?

[Adam Curry]

We'll put an asterisk.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the Australian gear I've got. You know, it's like it's made in Australia. Australia. Who knows?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, by Elmer Fudd.

[John C. Dvorak]

You get what you pay for. Anyway, those trolls are here to listen to the show live. And I think a lot of the trolls actually enjoy the. When it goes wrong. You know, I know Mimi hates it, but everybody else seems to like it. Oh, this is funny. It's not working.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you say you're in denial of the lower numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the good numbers. Not everybody must like it because the numbers have fallen off from the average of 25 to 24.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that has to do with your newsletter. Has nothing to do. Nothing to do with me going offline. The trolls listed at Trollroom IO, they also can listen on a modern podcast app. Today I'm going to say that a good one to try is Cast O Matic. If you're using an iPhone, Cast o Matic is a very nice iPhone app. You can find many of those modern apps [e-mail]. the good thing about these podcast apps is they let you listen to the live show in addition to. And this is going to. Eventually Apple's going to do this. Radio stations around the country are starting to understand that you can do this because there is no central app, really. There's no central place to get your radio stations. And now, you know, like Noah Jenna Stream, that's a radio station, basically. So you can listen to the stream. You get an alert when we go live. And when Planet Rage with Darren and Larry goes live, they send an alert, too. You can listen to that in your podcast app. And also when you release the podcast episode, you get notified within 90 seconds. Boom, you're good to go. No more waiting for an hour and a half from. For Spotify. What is that for? Are you bored of my talk?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No, it adds some moment of excitement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. You should do that more often. I feel it's very exciting. Very exciting. Thank you. Thank you for spicing it up. Appreciate it. This program, as you notice, was not interrupted in the first three minutes and again after 13 minutes to tell you that it's Ford Truck Month. Instead, we run it value for value, which means you're laughing, but there's a lot of Ford Truck Month ads going out.

[Adam Curry]

That's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not really.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder if they gave. You know, Leo's the one that was the original at.

[John C. Dvorak]

He had the Ford Mustang. Mustang, right.

[Adam Curry]

The old. Not, I think. No, he sold it once. They give.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, but they. He was. Wasn't he advertising the Mustang?

[Adam Curry]

No, he was advertising Ford. Ford tested their. Their marketing with his. With the Twitch show. Yeah, he ended up buying the Mustang, by the way. They didn't give it to him. I don't know how he did that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know it doesn't know how to do it. Well, he still buys phones anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to be a good journalist. I want to be. I don't want to get. Hey, I'll tell. Take anything for free. Yeah, I'll talk about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what you do if you're a real pro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, so. So they tested with him, and I think that they found that, you know, there's moments when it's. It's usable. I don't know whether he got any Ford truck promos, but I heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, just saying it sounds like a lot of people did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he was right. He was pitching the Ford Sink. Remember that. That horrible entertainment system? The sink. Oh, yeah. We're the future of in car entertainment. Okay. Way to go, Ford. Way to go. No, I actually heard the Ford Truck Month ad during the Midas touch. Like, those people aren't buying trucks. It's very strange.

[Adam Curry]

Midas touch people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If they bought A used Volkswagen, it'd be a miracle.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we run a value for value, which means whatever you get out of the show, you just hand it back, whatever that is. Time, talent, treasure. You can do stuff. Lots of stuff can be done for the show. Get more people into the troll room, for instance. Get more people listening. Tell more people how great we are. I love how every single. The new engagement farming is. You've got a podcast. And of course we knew from day day one we don't want guests on this show. It's the worst possible podcast strategy you can come up with because booking guests and getting them to sound right and getting to show up on time is a nightmare. You do not want to do that. So now all these podcasts who have been built upon the Joe Rogan model, boy, we have open conversations for hours with people. It's really entertaining. So they go on X and they post who should I invite on for my next guest? And they all do it. They all wind up doing it.

[Adam Curry]

They're hard up for guests.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And then so you see a whole row. Adam Curry at the Real Dvorak. Adam Curry. And at the Real Dvorak, these guys, they're the best podcast in the universe. He invented podcasting. You should have them on. Not a single time ever have I gotten a show booking out of that. But I appreciate the effort. It never works. They have no desire to talk to me. I don't know why, but you're a jerk. Maybe I'm not a jerk.

[Adam Curry]

No, you're not actually a good guest. Here's the problem. No, here, I'll tell you what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, good. How can I change this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's because you know too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can't. I can't change that unless I get.

[Adam Curry]

On the Special K. You know too much. And you're also a knee jerk Republican. But even though you're not. I know you're not a Republican, but you're. You seem like a Republican to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but, but this.

[News Anchor]

I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm talking like Patrick bet David.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they're not gonna. They're not gonna put you on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not? Because I know too much.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it's because you know too too much and you'll call them out that show those guys valuetainment. I mean, right there, it's a ridicule bait for you. You're right. Valuetainment.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're so right. I would start it off with, I hope to bring more valuetainment to your program today than ever before. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, you could go on Glenn Beck again. I think you fit there, because, you know, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But see, Beck tried to hire me, and I. And I said no. And I think that that put me in bad graces with him. You know, he wanted me.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, well, then he's very pretentious. He's got to be. Well, and he seems so. That if he, you know, you bring a guest on, you like the guest. You like this guy. Well, he should be working.

[John C. Dvorak]

He brought me back. He had me on twice.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Did he. Was he try to hire you the first or second time?

[John C. Dvorak]

Second time.

[Adam Curry]

And then he wouldn't bring you back after?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he was like, you know, I'd really like.

[Adam Curry]

So he brought you in. Okay. He brought you in as a pilot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

So it's a pilot episode. Well, there's. Adam's pretty good. Let's bring him back on this time. But throw the. Throw the pitch at him. See if he wants to work for us and disappear off the face of the earth. No offense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. To be fair, he wanted me to be his. His every Friday guest on the show. On the radio show.

[Adam Curry]

Every Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

How's that? That's an interesting idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not. I don't want to work for anybody. I don't want. No.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you just take a quick drive to Austin on Fridays. You don't not work in the show here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you take a quick drive to Austin?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just taking it. Georgia. No, I'd have to fly in and just. Beyond me.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not an exit strategy. No, I don't want.

[Adam Curry]

Look, some icing on the cake.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's.

[Adam Curry]

No, see, some promotion for this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, there it is. There's. There's the true John. You don't care about me. You don't care. You just want to work me like a slave. Like a monkey boy dance. Monkey boy dance. You can do it. Drive to Austin.

[Adam Curry]

You nailed me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna. Anyway, but. Because I like Beck, and it was. I think it's fun to be on his podcast, and I've been on his radio show. I like him a lot, but just the phone's not ringing anymore. From Dallas. I don't know what's going on. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's in Dallas. I thought he was in Austin.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's in Dallas. You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's got that diamond.

[Adam Curry]

That's true. Far.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, no, but it could just be a phoner. Just be a Phone.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, we also enjoy it when people just send us money because that really does help keep the show going. It has worked so far for 17 years with its ups and downs. And did you throw at a sad puppy?

[Adam Curry]

The sad puppies in play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sad puppies in play. Well, anyway, we always want to thank the people who support us financially. It was a nice list today. Sad puppy is in play. Yeah, we thank everybody.

[Adam Curry]

It takes the content out of the newsletter. I had two problems. One, I have the Easter Day wrong that I heard from a couple of people. What are you talking about? What is Easter month? One guy says. And of course, Jay calls me immediately after the newsletter goes out because I looked it up. Up. I said. And this is the mistake. I. First time I made it all year. When is Easter? 2024, I asked Google.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, instead of 2025.

[Adam Curry]

And so, and, and what triggered that. What triggered the Easter thing is that last Wednesday was Ash Wednesday for all the Catholics, Virtue signalers. They had to put a big patch of ashes on their forehead and show up on tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not virtue signaling. That's a part of their vibe, man. It's a part of their.

[Adam Curry]

It's for. Okay, you go what you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm looking at Janine Pereira, whatever her last name is Pirro. And she's got a smudge on her face, is the size of, you know, New York City. It's a big mess. And she's on, talking away like there's nothing different about it. The whole thing is ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a clip. I didn't. I didn't get it. Of Byron Donald. Byron Donalds.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Byron Donalds.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's grilling the mayors about their.

[Adam Curry]

It was quite funny. I heard this clip. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then he had the mayor from. Was it Boston?

[Adam Curry]

And she had the woman, the Chinese woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And she had the big. The big Ash Wednesday cross on her forehead.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So I always thought Ash Wednesday, being a former Catholic, was always near Easter.

[John C. Dvorak]

40 days. No, it's 40 days. That's the beginning of Lent. 40 days until Easter.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay. Okay, Mr. Big Shot, how come you didn't notice in the newsletter that you proofread that I was way off on Easter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I don't look at content. There's no content in the newsletter. I'm just looking at spelling mistakes. And I saw it was a short newsletter. I'm like, okay, I messed up. I missed it. Sorry. I should have caught that. That. You're right. It's now.

[Adam Curry]

So I had Easter wrong. So I'm sorry, I apologize.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is now a collectible.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that newsletter is collectible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Collectible.

[Adam Curry]

It's a collectible bonehead. Bonehead move on my part. But it was a short, content less newsletter because. Except for the one, you know, the hypocrite of the week. I always have that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And because there was. It was a plea for more donations because it was getting ridiculous and the numbers that came in that morning were terrible. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And you, you are able to gauge that quite accurately after all these years. You know that if, you know, if the numbers are down, that it's not going to get much better. And you know, you, you have made a science out of that. You should write a book about it, honestly. Should.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it's coming out right after the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vinegar book and give it to the valuetainment guys. So we always thank everybody who supports us with $50 or more. We're very transparent in this. We, we mentioned the people, unless they want to be anonymous. And we. How much they donated. And we have all kinds. Have any of the like Patreon levels. You know, you don't have to subscribe to get the show. We just give you the show. We just love giving you the show. People used to put the show on. On CDs when CDs were still a thing. Maybe vinyl wouldn't be great to have the show on vinyl.

[Adam Curry]

That would be great to put a show on vinyl.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that would be a triple box set. Each show. Each show would be a box set of 3. Vinyl.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because you can only get about half of far on the side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that would be cool. Now there's many. As I said, there's many ways that actually I forgot the artists. I can't believe I forgot the artist. I'm sorry. Artists. In fact, one artist. We want to thank the artist who brought us the artwork as a part of the time and talent portion of Value for value episode 1744. We titled that EULA for Ukraine and Tan Stafel, which I forget what the acronym means. Beans again.

[Adam Curry]

There are such things. A free lunch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. There you go. Brought us the no agenda fried dodo bucket, which we thought was very. There were a number of good dodo. First of all, for people who missed the show, you missed a doozy. Because we found out that dodo bird is quite delicious.

[Adam Curry]

Notoriously so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notoriously delicious. So. And you know, as we always say, bad art only comes because we didn't give anybody. You know, we have a great item in the show and your Dodo 3 clips. And I really thought, you know, it started with the woolly mice thing. It's like, oh, where is this going? And it was a massive shaggy dog. You paid it off with the, with the, with the dodo. The delicious dodo. And I don't know about you, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Why they went extinct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Largely because people were eating them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And they were easy to catch because they were dumb. And so that's where the word dodo comes from. Because they're dumb. I mean, were called dodo birds. And then the moniker you're a dodo came from the bird. Because they would just stand around and say, oh, okay, what are you going to do with me? Why are you picking me up? Okay. Oh, you're killing me now. Oh, now you're eating me. What's going on here? And they were just good eating and easy to get. And they were just dynamite. So there was the. They had no chance. I wish they could be bred. I think a big giant dodo farm. They didn't. The Dutch were. Didn't have any foresight whatsoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they just ate them all. Stupid Dutch. I wish we could talk about the rest of the art, but the art generator seems to not be responding at the moment. Oh, do you get any response from it? I'm not getting any response. No agenda. Art Generator.com is where you should be able to upload your art if. Oh, no. Oh, I got a cloud flare error. Oh, that's no good. If you, if you can't upload it, then email it to John. Johnvorak. No, he did Adam McCurry.johndvorak.org Email it to him. If we can't upload it, people are making the art during the show. Oh, boy. It's going to give Dreb headaches.

[Adam Curry]

Otherwise we're going to end up using a piece by Darren Open Threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want that to happen. Noagendaartgenerator.com thank you very much, Tan Stoffel. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Now to the donors. $50 and above. In this segment, we'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers. The way that works is $200 or above. You get the exclusive title of associate executive producer for this episode. And that is something you can use anywhere that credits are recognized. Business cards, your LinkedIn IMDb.com and if anyone questions it, we'll be very happy to vouch for you and we'll also read your note. The same goes for our executive producers. $300 or above. And we will read your note. And we kick it off with Anonymous from Pensberg, Pennsylvania with 515.38, which I'm pretty sure is $500, plus the fees for PayPal. We appreciate that. And Anonymous says, what is the threshold for the ring thing? How long have you been listening to the show? Are you just going from show to show and collecting goodies? It's $1,000. You become a knight of the no agenda round table. That is not just a ring thing. Although you do get a handsome signet ring which you can use to seal your important correspondence. We supply the wax with that and a certificate of authenticity. And it's also great for picking up chicks. Thank you. And respectfully says Anonymous. And we thank you very much, Anonymous.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we also thank Brian Moss, who came with the exact same amount. 51538 Rancho Santa Margarita, California. And he writes, the no Agenda show is the antidote to the exaggerated polarization that we are being fed through the M5M and social media. Yeah, that's exactly true.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

And then he says, you're a blessing to the world. I wish more would listen. I wish more would listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I wonder if that. I wonder if JC picked up that Trump VP rumor from social media. Is that possible?

[Adam Curry]

Do you think he's not like a social media nut?

[John C. Dvorak]

He seems like a blue sky kind of guy.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know. Definitely not that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Andrew Glenn is in the uk. Oh, there we are. A UK listener who has the balls to support us. You could go to jail over this. $500. $509. I guess. I guess they get a discount.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

After over 13 years of douchebaggery since my last donation, your hilarious mad Lib section, as in the libjos from Show 1744, which I hope you will occasionally reprise, gave me the necessary shove. Here's proof, John. People love that kind of show. What are we doing? Messing around doing this?

[Adam Curry]

He needs to de douching. You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

So please find my donation of $500 plus a bit extra for expenses. Thank you for the position of Commodore. And I intend to follow this up in a week or so with a further donation which will take me to knighthood. And with that will be a slightly longer note. In the meantime, I guess you better deduce me you just did that. And can I also have some yacht selling Karma. Oh, it's one of those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Andrew Glenn, there you Go. Thank you so much.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

We go to Indianapolis, Indiana, to Sir Greg, who also comes in with $500 and he says, nice short note. Says, thanks, thank, thanks for all you two do for us. Karma for everybody. Sir Greg of parts unknown.

[News Anchor]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Katherine Knight is in Mesa, Arizona, executive producer. Ship for her and she comes in with $400.33. That cannot be an accident. ITM. She says, this donation allows me to become Dame Kak Roamer of the Hawes Hills. At the round table, I'd like filet mignon, medium rare with Borsec mineral water, which we.

[Adam Curry]

Borsek. Oh, that's. I'm sorry. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we had it shipped in from Romania, so I hope it's the right stuff. Is Borsec something different?

[Adam Curry]

No. Bar, sex, A sweet wine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. I think this. This is the Romanian mineral water, Borsac. Keep up the good work. I rely on you for a sane view of the world. Ah, another soul saved or created.

[Adam Curry]

Perfect. Brandon mango in Midland, Pennsylvania. 350.93 and his note is the best so far.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says, love the show and we love you, sir. Dr. Sharkey. Jackson, Tennessee, 333.34. Dear Adam and John, I apologize for my absence. Life happened. But I'm back. De douche me. Just to be safe.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

You guys haven't lost your touch. Hearing you break down the BS brings some sanity back to the world. Looking back, I first donated to no Agenda in February of 2013. It's been the best value investment I've made. Made, but also known as valuetainment. I'd like some rev resists. We much, sir. Dr. Sharkey. We much.

[Adam Curry]

We jitty. We down.

[John C. Dvorak]

We down. We much. All right, there you go. You got a little extra from me.

[Adam Curry]

Nero Consulting in New York City. Nero Consulting. 33333. No note. So Nero Consulting gets a double up. Karma. You've got.

[News Anchor]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Onward to Nathan. Nathan Rotier. Rotier. Eureka River, Alberta, Canada. Hey. See, they don't hate us. They still consume our products.

[Adam Curry]

Terr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tariff free. 333.33 Executive Producership for you. I was going to wait until my usual annual donation, but the newsletter was getting more and more dire. So here's an early one. Good job, John. He didn't care. He didn't care about your. Your. Your canard jingles, Hot pockets and a C35 girl guy. What in the world is this? P.S. special thanks to Eli the coffee Guy.

[News Anchor]

Hot Pockets in the bathroom, taking a shave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Adam Curry]

And I heard us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. That's not the right one. Oh, how did I get that one wrong? That's the long version.

[Adam Curry]

What was that?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the. Well, that's the guy. But I needed the ISO, I guess. Yeah, this is it.

[Adam Curry]

I said, what in the world is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have Ronald Poker Grant or Pockerant. Parts unknown.333.33 Note unknown. So he'll get a double up. Karma. You've got.

[News Anchor]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Commodore Brennan, Perrysburg, Ohio, 333.33. Our last executive producer for this show. We're very grateful for that. I mean, grateful that we have so many. And he says the sad puppy in the newsletter always pulls at the heart. How could I resist a call to action like that? Well, we're glad that you didn't resist we much. This donation also puts me over knighthood status. Henceforth, I would like to be known as Sir Commodore Brennan of the Black Swap. Please add knufla soup. Am I saying that right?

[Adam Curry]

No idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knufla. Nufla. Maybe it's just nufla soup. To the round table. And he wants to hear some Mac and cheese. And he says, thanks, Commodore Brennan of the gl.

[Adam Curry]

You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Christy Zeitz In Hampton Bays, New York will be our first Associate Executive Producer. $250. And another fabulous note. She says, thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

We love notes like that. Rachel Epperson is in Chicago, Illinois. Row of ducks, 222.22. And she says that she emailed the note, but I did not receive anything from Rachel. Did you receive anything?

[Adam Curry]

Well, now I should go look and do a search on the email and find out. I read the Epperson Epp. Let's try it. E P P E R S O N in. I think no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, email us back. Rachel, happy to. We're happy to give you a make good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got nothing. Eric Reinhardt comes up San Antonio, Texas to 200, 1960. And he says in newsletter donation. Indubitably, indubitably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Beautiful. 205 from Todd in Northern Virginia. John, get ready with your noisemaker. Because he says in the morning. John and Adam, I was enjoying another fine episode, fully engaged in the deconstruction, when suddenly chimes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the chimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chimes. At first I thought I was hearing things. Was it the wind? The sound of God? No, it was John masterfully deploying his donation driving chimes. Psyop. And you got me. The subliminal percussion worked my hand involuntarily, reached for my wallet, and now here I am sending in a donation like some kind of activated npc. Well done, gentlemen. In fact, you got me so good that this donation pushes me over the top for knighthood. So please knight me as Sir Todd of the jingling winds. Please pass the mutton and meat and keep those sweet, sweet chimes a coming in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Last on our list, we got Linda Lupatkin. There she is in Lakewood, Colorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, what happened to Eli the coffee guy?

[Adam Curry]

I guess he missed. He missed the deadline. He always comes in very late at night.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, I'll just give him a plug for gigawatt Coffee roasters dot com.

[Adam Curry]

Well, because you had too many cups today. Again. Linda Lupatkin, Lakewood, Colorado. Out of $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs.

[News Anchor]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that concludes our list of executive and associate executive producers for episode 1745. These credits are good for your lifetime. Use them anywhere credits are recognized. And as always, if anyone disputes this has a question about it, we'll be more than happy to vouch for you. Go to noagendadonations.com Become a knight, become a dame, become a Commodore, or just support us with any amount you want with the recurring donation, please. If you think you have a recurring donation, check, because a lot of those expired at the beginning of the year and you may be thinking that you're always supporting the best podcast in the universe and you're not. We don't want you to feel bad once you find out. No agenda Donations dot com. And again, thanks to these executive and associate executive producers, our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Hot pockets. I want to add a couple of thank yous for the people who I got three Ohio State hoodies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, nice, it works.

[Adam Curry]

One of them from Dreb Scott, who sent a terrific design. One of his buddies did it out of Detroit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

And then I got another one. There's also a red one that came in. I don't have the guy's name. I want him to write me, so I Can give him a thanks on the air. But also I got another hoodie, plus a bunch of souvenirs, including a small icon, a doll called Brutus, which I guess is the Buckeye's mascot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mascot.

[Adam Curry]

Horrible looking animal from. From the Park Street Law Group. Jay Madison in particular. And he. Or Jeff. Jeff Madison. And he sent in a hoodie, plus some other stuff. And I want to thank him and everybody who's followed up. Finally, from Ohio State, one of the greatest universities in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. Don't use Bingit IO to hear previous remarks.

[Adam Curry]

Well, previous remarks are null and void.

[John C. Dvorak]

We so very sad, very sad, sad news that Mimi's theory was wrong. Wrong. I tell you about Gene Hackman.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, it was. It was more grotesque. Yes, depending on which version you've heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, New Mexico authorities with tragic revelations.

[Adam Curry]

To a week long mystery saying Gene Hackman died of heart disease and complicate from Alzheimer's, likely a week after his wife Betsy died of the rare deadly disease hantavirus.

[News Anchor]

The cause of death for Mr. Jean Hackman, aged 95 years, is hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, with Alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor. The cause of death for Miss Betsy Hackman, aged 65 years, is hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

[Adam Curry]

Hantavirus is transmitted to humans by mice. There's been less than 900 cases since the CDC started tracking it in 1993.

[News Anchor]

Hantavirus can be transmitted to people through rodent urine droppings or saliva.

[Adam Curry]

The couple, married for 30 years, were found dead inside their Santa Fe home by a neighborhood caretaker Feb. 26. Hackman found in the mudroom, appearing to have suddenly fallen. Betsy in the bathroom with pills scattered on the counter. Her body further decomposed than her husband's.

[News Anchor]

Based on the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that Ms. Hackman passed away first, with February 11th being the last time that she was known to be alive.

[Adam Curry]

Officials say pacemaker data indicates hackman likely died February 18th. Does this mean Gene Hackman was likely home with his deceased wife for a week before he passed away himself?

[News Anchor]

Yes, I would assume that that is the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a very, very bad day for these people.

[Adam Curry]

It was gruesome, that whole idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hantavirus.

[Adam Curry]

Hantavirus. And they had a number there. What was the number of the cases? They said total 900 or 600.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not very big. I actually have.

[Adam Curry]

It's bigger than the measles. Hello?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're gonna get to that. I have a hantavirus clip from 99. That explains the hantavirus. When CDC investigators compared the antibodies from.

[Adam Curry]

The outbreak victims to those in their.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vast file of known diseases, they made a surprising discovery.

[Adam Curry]

The only sample that was in any way similar was one that was 40 years old. It was a sample taken from a soldier stationed in.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Korea.

[Adam Curry]

In 1950, during the Korean War, more than 3,000 troops developed high fevers and kidney failure.

[John C. Dvorak]

About 400 died.

[Adam Curry]

Doctors called it hantavirus because it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Traced back to Korea's Hantan River. That region was home to large numbers of striped field mice. Feces and urine from infected mice carried the virus. When it dried out, it became airborne and was then inhaled by the soldiers. From there, the virus attacked the kidneys. Wow, that's from the forensic files. Does that sound right to you? You being our resident?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Terrible product.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they didn't explain the dog. Did the dog just starve to death?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they did say that there were pills scattered on the floor, so they.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. On the counter. Not on the floor. On the counter. Well, I'm skeptical. And did the dog.

[Adam Curry]

The dog needs to be explained. Maybe he did starve to death, but he could have eaten one of them. That's what dogs would do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe he ate some of her and got hantavirus. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the story continues to unfold.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got a note from one of our producers. I was listening to the show. Couldn't help but chuckle during your Oscar awards talk with John today. And of course, we were talking about Gene Hackman getting very, very little airtime for his illustrious and lengthy career. And our producer says, I work with a tribute package team for awards shows. Huh. How about.

[Adam Curry]

I know it's ludicrous. The people that we have. This is great listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is well known in our little circle how much of a hard time the Oscars seems to have with their In Memoriam package. This is an indicious industry. Inside stuff you'll never hear about. Brunetti, listen up. I don't work on that show specifically, so I don't have any really good inside gossip to share with you, but it's very common for a final product to be harmed by internal board member politics. I've witnessed it many times in the past and can only imagine how egregious it is at the Oscars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Of course. I wonder, what.

[Adam Curry]

Was Hackman a Republican or what was the deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Supported Trump? That could Be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possibly. Although I don't think he did. I don't think it was. We didn't hear much of him Anyway, since you brought up a mutual measles. Ah, the big pharma is on a trip with this measles thing. Man, this unbelievable what they're coming up with now. This is CBS and today's Health Watch.

[News Anchor]

The measles outbreak is showing no signs of slowing down. Get this.

[Adam Curry]

Last year there were a total of 285 cases. At least 164 cases of the virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have been detected so far this year.

[Adam Curry]

Two unvaccinated people who were diagnosed have died.

[News Anchor]

A child in Texas and an adult in New Mexico.

[Adam Curry]

We know measles is a severe and potentially deadly virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

But a lesser known fact is how the virus can damage the immune system, raising the risk of other infections even.

[News Anchor]

After the person has recovered.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called immune amnesia. Have you ever heard of this bullcrap?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Immune amnesia. So first of all, potentially deadly virus. Yeah, the flu.

[Adam Curry]

The virus is worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the flu is.

[Adam Curry]

And the numbers are higher.

[John C. Dvorak]

The flu kills 10 of thousands of people a year. But, okay, it's about vaccines, obviously. Let's bring in Celine Gounder.

[Adam Curry]

Doctor, how exactly does measles wipe out immunity to other viruses people have already been exposed to? That confuses me.

[News Anchor]

Well, we know other viruses because we've.

[Adam Curry]

Never heard of this before, ever.

[News Anchor]

Well, we know of other viruses that infect the immune system. HIV is probably the best known one. Measles infects immune cells and when it does so, it damages immune cells and it wipes out partially your memory, your immune system's memory to certain infections. So it leaves you more susceptible to getting some of those infections. Now we have an animation here to help you understand how this works.

[Adam Curry]

Okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

They literally have a drawing of two jars with colored balls in it.

[News Anchor]

Let's say you have two babies.

[John C. Dvorak]

As they grow, they're not babies, they're jars with balls in it.

[Adam Curry]

Celine.

[News Anchor]

Their immune systems mature and they both gain immunity to different infections, which is represented here by the different colored marbles. Okay? One baby gets vaccinated against measles at age 1. And then later, age 4, that baby gains immunity to measles through vaccination, which is what you're seeing here with the red marbles. Okay, all right. Which. There we go. The other baby doesn't get vaccinated and is not immune to measles. Measles. At age 5, both kids will start school and the unvaccinated child gets measles. So if that kid is lucky, it's a mild case and they don't need to be hospitalized. They develop immunity to measles from.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need to stop right here. How do you get a mild case of the measles? What does she mean by that? The only thing I can think of is that your immune system is strong, and therefore the effect effects of the measles are not as strong on you or that, you know, does any. I don't understand. A mild case.

[Adam Curry]

It has to be something like that, because I remember when my son JC had chickenpox, he had a. I would have to say it's a mild case because there were like two pox.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tupacs. He was a Tupac Shakur.

[Adam Curry]

He's a Tupacs. It was like, ludicrous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so strong immune system. Those Dvoraks.

[News Anchor]

That kid is lucky. It's a mild case and they don't need to be hospitalized. They develop immunity to measles from the.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, but were ever hospitalized from measles? It's just a. That's a really bad case. A normal case, you wouldn't get hospitalized. You don't have to be a mild case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you can be sick.

[Adam Curry]

This story's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, but this. They're doing this for a reason.

[News Anchor]

They develop immunity to measles from the infection, but immunity to other. Other infections is weakened, and that leaves them at higher risk for other infections. That's because the measles is damaging your immune system and erasing that memory to other viruses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bull.

[News Anchor]

That was digestible.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for putting it like that. Then the shot would do the same thing to you, because that gives you a mild case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, this is the question. Can you fix that with boosters?

[Adam Curry]

So if somebody's been infected with the.

[News Anchor]

Measles, is there anything they can do to regain the immunity that they've lost? No, it's just time. Time for your immune system to build back up and recover is not to get measles in the first place. And the best way to do that is to get vaccinated, because we were always told that once you get it.

[Adam Curry]

It lasts your lifetime.

[News Anchor]

Once you get vaccinated. Yes, you're covered for your lifetime. One dose gets you to about 95%, two doses to 97% coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then you're not covered for your lifetime. And it was 93 in other reports, but now it's 97.

[News Anchor]

So pretty much, if you've gotten your measles vaccination, you are set. You are immune for your lifetime. Should people Try to get boosters just because of this outbreak. Well, there's a very specific age group where you may want to consider getting a booster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, John, did you get a measles vaccine?

[Adam Curry]

No, I had the measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I had the measles too. But, you know, pay attention.

[News Anchor]

So if you were born after 1957 but vaccinated before 1963, you may not have immunity from measles infection or vaccination, really, because that's an age group also where the vaccines that we had available were not as effective. So if you're in that very specific age group, again, born after 1957, vaccinated before 1963, you may want to get a measles booster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just get a booster. Whatever it is, get a booster. It can't hurt. What can it hurt? Just get a booster. Now this immunity, amnesia, which I really question the validity of this, but this is a, you know, cbs, it's big pharma pays their bills. So, you know, we've got all this anti vax stuff out there, so we might as well try it with this one. How long does that immunity last? I mean, the amnesia, I'd never heard.

[News Anchor]

Of the phrase immune amnesia.

[Adam Curry]

How long?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Did the effects of that last?

[News Anchor]

Well, from studies, it can last months to a couple years. So, you know, it really does set a child back and back before kids were being vaccinated for measles, it's estimated that half of the deaths were actually from other infections they got later because of that weakened immune system.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is fear mongering on parents that go along.

[Adam Curry]

That makes me have to play these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, I got to play the last one because it's all about RFK Jr. Obviously, there's so much information out.

[Adam Curry]

There, but it's different when it comes.

[News Anchor]

From the White House. Earlier this week, week, in a Fox.

[Adam Curry]

News interview, HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Supported some unconventional treatments for measles, including vitamin A and cod liver.

[News Anchor]

Are these effective tools? I mean, what does science tell us?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, please. Are you kidding me? What the science. Science for cod liver oil.

[News Anchor]

Look at your face. So there were three minutes like you're struggling to hold your face on straight.

[Adam Curry]

Did you see your lip curled up a little bit? Yeah.

[News Anchor]

So you have cod liver oil which has vitamin A. What is cod liver? Cod liver oil. Oil from the cod. From a code from a fish liver.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[News Anchor]

Been around for centuries. But it is a good source of vitamin A in very malnourished kids in developing countries. Studies showed that it helped Reduce certain complications from measles, in particular, blindness. But that, that, like you don't see that in the US less than 1% of kids have that kind of thing. So, you know, unfortunately, this is not very good advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not very good advice because it comes from J. RFK Jr. It's not good advice. I. Before you do your Covid clips, I have two clips from McCullough about the measles, specifically.

[Adam Curry]

Good. Yes, because he'll give us some rundown on this. Even though he sells, you know, know, pills.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, he does sell pills.

[Adam Curry]

I was going to say cod liver oil because we don't get enough Omega 3s. It's loaded with that too. It's a, it's a, it's a product that's been around for centuries. Yes, because cod liver oil, in fact, all of the, the Nordic countries, they gobble this stuff down. When I was in Iceland, I remember going to the grocery store. I always go to grocery stores when I travel. And there was like an aisle, an aisle of cod liver oil and cod oil and fish oils. It was just like, there must have been thousand examples of it. It was unbelievable. They, because you need this stuff for sunlight, you have lack of sun. There's all kinds of reasons to have this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good stuff. It's good stuff. All right, here's McCullough. He's on the Dell Big Tree show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Our media and public health officials, I think, have to be far more responsible in this type of reporting. And just to level set, our CDC says anybody born before 1950, now it's assumed that they've had measles.

[News Anchor]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

It's just a broad assumption that that's the case. I was born in 1962. I had a single measles vaccine at age 2. And I had another one at age.

[News Anchor]

20 when I entered medical school.

[Adam Curry]

And that's because I didn't have immunity.

[News Anchor]

I didn't have antibodies against measles.

[Adam Curry]

And now a paper from Bianchi and.

[News Anchor]

Colleagues from Italy has actually done that.

[Adam Curry]

Exact study of medical students entering medical school. And the answer is about 20% of those who took the measles shot do not have effective immunity, according to Bianchi and colleagues. Now the answer is if they've had.

[News Anchor]

Measles during childhood, about 6% may not have adequate immunity.

[Adam Curry]

So clearly natural immunity beats vaccine immunity. And now our CDC is reporting as of February 27, 2020, 25, we have 164 cases in the United States of measles in Alaska, California, Georgia, Kentucky, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York City, Rhode island and Texas. So it's not just the Mennonite community in West Texas.

[News Anchor]

And you know what? In last year, in 2024, we had 285 cases.

[Adam Curry]

So Del measles is something that does occur sporadically. It is spread by, you know, respiratory aerosol spread and it's a morbiliform rash. You know, we have other illnesses that have very similar rashes for which there's no vaccine, including hand, foot and mouth disease.

[News Anchor]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Caused by a Coxsackie virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, Coxsackie, that's, that's a frightening one. Christina had that as a kid. Actually, I had Burke's clips that. We'll skip her. Here's the. The last of the McCullough. And this is a very interesting little tidbit.

[Adam Curry]

Prior to the MM vaccine, prior to vaccinating for measles infants that are the only really truly susceptible group of children that are in danger of measles, you.

[News Anchor]

Do not want your day 1 old.

[Adam Curry]

1 month old, 2 month old, 5 month old infant to catch the measles at that age. It is dangerous, no doubt about it. But here's what's shocking the numbers when we look back and the number 1950s and 60s had very few infants that died. The reason being that their mothers passed on measles immunity to the baby at birth.

[News Anchor]

How did that happen?

[Adam Curry]

Every mother that caught the measles as a child kept that immunity through life. And once they started having their own children, that natural immunity passed on to the infant, to the baby, they were protected for at least six months, oftentimes a year. And if the mother breastfed that child, that immunity could last up to a year and a half long, but certainly at six months to a year. Now that that immunity given by mom wears off. Now the child is at a place where they're healthy enough to handle a measles infection. It was amazing nature, or God, if you will, had done an amazing job at protecting our immune babies. But then we started vaccinating every person in this country, starting in 1963, 64.

[News Anchor]

Depending on how you look at the data.

[Adam Curry]

And we've been vaccinating ever since. Here's the problem. No mother that's been vaccinated with the MMR vaccine for measles passes anything on to their infants. Our infants now have zero protection whatsoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you, big pharma. That's great. That's just great.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, there's your ironic story of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's just great.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's meddlers. You meddle, you pay the price.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. All right, we'll wrap it up with your Covid stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so Montana's got a. Montana's got a law. They're pat. They're going to pass to. To stop all M. MRNA vaccines, period. They're just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

No genetic anything. Yeah, Montana. There's about, I think, four or five other states trying to do this. And so there's a doctor that comes out and gives a pretty good rundown. Just so we remind everybody. I feel I'm sorry about anybody who got. I mean, if you got the vaccine, you got the vaccine, you're probably okay. But it has issues. And I wanted to play these. These clips of the woman's testimony. She. There's three short clips. Well, it's. Second clip's a little longer. It should be. This is the woman coming out and giving a nice little rundown on why they should pass this law and take this vaccine off the market. It's ridiculous.

[News Anchor]

My name is Christine Drivdal Smith. D R I V D A H L S M I T H I am a family physician in Miles City. I have no conflict of interest. I am a volunteer board member of the Montana Medical Freedom Alliance. Gene based vaccines, or MRNA vaccines, are the most destructive and lethal medical products that have ever been used in human history. I am asking you to support this bill banning gene based vaccines so that we can halt continued harm, disability and death of our citizens. Gene based vaccine vaccines include the COVID 19 shots and there is one other RSV shot that was approved for this past year for older adults. There are ongoing trials for influenza and bird flu and there are dozens more in development. The COVID shots were rolled out just over four years ago under emergency use authorization, or eua. This has been been renewed multiple times. The last renewal was in December of 2024 and extended the EUA until 2029, which also extends the liability protections. Under EUA, the FDA may allow use of unapproved medical products, including experimental products. Further, the regulatory procedures do not apply to the EUA program products, which explains why the FDA has not withdrawn these dangerous vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you're ending the show on a happy note. This is great.

[Adam Curry]

We're not ending the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is going to end the show. I mean, we're this. We're three hours already. It won't fit on the vinyl if we don't.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but a lot of the three hours is trying to get the.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. I this is the actual recording. 257. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not your fault. I love this. I just. I feel that we're leaving people with a downer.

[Adam Curry]

You're gonna make this. These vaccines, they never have.

[John C. Dvorak]

No bull crap. They haven't.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

2.

[News Anchor]

By the end of 2024, there was over 38,000 deaths reported to the VAERS system. With a known under reporting factor of 31 to as much as 100. There are over 3400 peer reviewed studies in the medical literature describing injury from from these vaccines. Including cardiac arrest, myocarditis, blood clots, immune suppression, autoimmune disorders, cancers, neurological disorders, prion induced disease, pregnancy, harms and miscarriage. Every highly vaccinated country has had a significant increase in all cause mortality, a decrease in life expectancy and and a decrease in fertility. These vaccines do not prevent disease or transmission. In fact, the more shots one receives, the more likely they are to get Covid. Over a year ago it was discovered that the COVID shots are contaminated with DNA. This has now been confirmed by multiple labs around the world. The amount exceeds the regulatory limits by as much as 400 times. The presence of this genetic material increases the risk of cancer in the recipient. And this foreign genetic material has now been found within dividing human cells, in a petri dish and in colon cancer biopsies. These MRNA vaccines, like other gene therapy medical products, can be shed to others via blood, body fluids, excrement and air airborne exosomes. Studies have now confirmed that these products are shedding to others and that those exposed via shedding can experience adverse reactions. As you can see, there are no benefits and only the potential for harm. And yet 23% of Americans continue to receive boosters. The American College of OBGYN continues to recommend Covid shots to pregnant women patients. And the CDC has added the COVID shots to the pediatric vaccine schedule starting at 6 months of age.

[John C. Dvorak]

So tell me at the end of this testimony, they all go. Thank you very much for coming. We're just going to keep on using them. I mean what this is. Well, it's very depressing.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, but. Here we go. This will wrap it up.

[News Anchor]

There have been ever increasing calls for an immediate ban by professional groups all across across the globe. Five states attorneys general have filed a suit against Pfizer for misrepresenting the effectiveness of the COVID shots. And just last week, citizens filed a petition with the FDA to remove these.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was that? Time's up.

[Adam Curry]

No, one minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Someone didn't want to hear her with.

[News Anchor]

The FDA to remove these products because the DNA contamination was not revealed to the regulators. The drug companies, the regulators, the federal government have failed to act. We all know that the hands of justice move slowly. Time is of the essence. I've spent over half of my medical career in emergency medicine. And during a trauma code, the most important thing is to stop the bleeding. So I'm asking all of you to use common sense and Montana, let's get this done attitude. We must ban gene based vaccines in Montana.

[John C. Dvorak]

So will this ever be admitted by RFK Jr. Considering President Trump is so proud of Operation Warp Speed.

[Adam Curry]

This is the question, the big question.

[John C. Dvorak]

He even touted it during his not State of the Union by saying that he had.

[Adam Curry]

It's a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a real big problem. It would be dynamite if he just said, you know, I was wrong. How about that? I was wrong.

[Adam Curry]

He's never done that. That's just the one. This is his flaw.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He can never admit to being wrong. I have a couple, a couple of Just Ask Adam clips which are a little lighter. You might find it more amusing to end the show with these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't say that are gut filled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, but don't I need to Ask Adam jingle.

[Adam Curry]

You would. Yeah, Ask Adam. I can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what's happened is this is like I have a million clips called. Called Ask Adam. Oh, here it is. Ask Adam.

[News Anchor]

Ask Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Will he know or will he won't?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, but here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Answer the question. Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm ready to answer the question.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so I'm gonna play the first clip. Actually, the question for you comes after the second clip. So. And it's not going to be that hard. Okay, but this is Gutfeld playing a Rogan clip of Bill Murray talking about Bob Woodward. Now we've had talked about Bob Woodward's inability to tell the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's a spook.

[Adam Curry]

Including. Yes. Well, here we. I wanted. So here's the clip. That's the setup. And this is the Gutfeld Woodward setup. Video of the day comes from Joe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rogan's podcast where comic legend Bill Murray.

[Adam Curry]

Discussed Bob Woodward's 1984 book Wired about the late John Belushi. As far as Murray was concerned, the book was so inaccurate, he had to wonder if Woodward's reporting on Watergate was also full of crap. Watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I read like five pages of Wired.

[Adam Curry]

And I went, oh my God, they framed Nixon. All of a sudden I went, oh my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

If this is what he writes about.

[Adam Curry]

My friend that I've known, you know, for, you know, half my adult life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which is completely inaccurate. Talking to, like, the people of the outer, outer circle.

[Adam Curry]

Getting the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

What the hell did they.

[Adam Curry]

Could they have done to Nixon?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I have nothing to answer.

[Adam Curry]

The Russ Baker book discussed all this in great detail. So Gutfield now goes around the table and he's talking to everybody. And then out of the blue, he pulls out a little piece. Choice tidbit. And the Ask Adam part is see if you can easily spot what is kind of the missing piece of this mcat. Do you know Woodward's background before Watergate? Do you know. Do you want me to tell. He had no experience. He was a naval officer. And then all of a sudden he gets a job at the Washington Post and quickly breaks the biggest story of the century. Interesting. I know. No, this is all up.

[News Anchor]

So the red flag for me here too, on Woodward, and this has happened in various others of his books as well, where people have called him out and been like, well, that's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

The piece that's missing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't hear it right off.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't.

[Adam Curry]

Gutfeld says that Woodward was a naval officer and then leaves it at that without ever mentioning that. That's not the important part of him being a naval officer. He was a naval intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I see what you're. You're saying. Yeah, yeah, it's Gut.

[Adam Curry]

Why does he leave that out? That seems to be the. Be the key. It wasn't that, oh, he's a naval officer. That he went to work for the Washington Post. Was he a journalist in the Navy? What was he doing there? He was a naval intelligence officer that went to work for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

He could have been a bosun. He could have been a swabby swab in the lobby. A deck swabby. By the way, Gutfeld is another one of those people who post on X. Who should I have on the show? And everyone says, me. And I never get invited. I would be great. I would kill on that show because they give you scripts.

[Adam Curry]

They pretty much give you scripts. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[News Anchor]

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alert the affiliates, everybody. We're going long because we still have a tip of the day coming up. We have dynamite end of show mixes. And right now we're going to thank the rest of our producers who supported the best podcast in the universe in $50 or above.

[Adam Curry]

Just remember that Adam can kill if he has a script.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Consider this a royalty payment for its use. In fact, that's about the right amount. 100 bucks. Typically for a stolen joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're not giving Brunetti anything.

[Adam Curry]

No, don't give him any ideas. Sir, hold my beer. In Austin, Texas. $100 is the Blofeld cat donation. He liked the Blofeld reference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

That's a great idea. People should do the 7373 and then, you know, do a CQ. CQ call out to some other ham call. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that is a good one. And they can donate back until they. Right with another. 73. 73.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Sir. Slick. Wait. Slick weight. Slick weight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Slick water. Think, Sir.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Dangly balls.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Just wondering. Ray Howard in Kremmling, Colorado. Edward Mazurek in Memphis, Tennessee. Jacob Rotramol. Rotraml Rotramul, I think, in Decatur, Illinois. William Kidwell in Dover, Over, Delaware. There's a lot of 50s here today. Thank you very much for this. Jesse Miller in Delray Beach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir, J Man wants a de douching.

[Adam Curry]

He says you've been de douched. Okay. William Spain in Springdale, Arkansas. Ted Voss in Davenport, Iowa. Very famous Apple stronghold from years back. Rene Kanika Knige Kneja Kneche in Ultrecht, Netherlands. Yeah, some of our Holland listeners here, producers Michael Shambaugh in Topeka. Dame Code Red in Huntsville, Arkansas. Roderick Brown and Mermaid. What the hell? Peru. Pe? No. What? What's pe?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

There's no state pe. Pennsylvania.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pa. Maybe it's in Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, duh. It says Canada, not us. So PE would be one of the provinces. Patrick Cannon in Cranford, New Jersey. Spencer Jaffe in Rancho Palos Verdes. Craig Lawton in Mitcham, Victoria, Australia. Thanks for the phrase unhinged, bent out of shape. And I don't need that aggravation.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a classic.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

It's really appreciated. And Eric Hochul, you should count up your donations, brother. He's got to be a night guy up there. He's got to be way up there. He's been with us from almost the beginning, which is beautiful to see from.

[Adam Curry]

The days of Unicode when we couldn't even get the spreadsheet with his name right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. That's how long he's been with us. Thank you so much. And thank you to all of our producers for episode 1745. We appreciate you so much. Thank you for keeping us in the black. Paid bills this week, which is all very good. Again, you can go to noagendadonations.com you can set up a recurring donation. These really do help on the slower days so we won't have to flip out the bat, the sad puppy every single time. Go tonoagenA donations.com, set up a recurring donation. Or check yours. Any amount, any frequency. It's all good. Noagendadonations.com well, this is very short. Today, Alex Myers says happy birthday to the sun. Ivan Myers turns three on March 11th. That's Alex and his husband or wife. Her husband, his wife, I'm not sure. Matthew Walrath turns 43 on March 25, so that's well in advance. Happy birthday to both of you for the best podcast in the universe. And we do have a couple of Commodores to welcome here who have achieved the Commodore status. So I'd like to congratulate Commodore Anonymous, Commodore Brian Moss, Commodore Sir Greg. And Commodore Andrew Glenn goes to know agendarings.com to give us the address to send your handsome Commodore certificate to. Commodore's arriving. Whoa, boy. And we have one Damon, one night to bring up. We only have. I thought we had two knights. Am I mistaken?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought we had two knights.

[Adam Curry]

We have the Todd, we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Catherine is the dame.

[Adam Curry]

Catherine and Todd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Todd, was there someone. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. We can always make good if we messed it up, but I just have to. Well, anyway, I've got a blade. Did you bring your blade?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course I did. Here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

You want to be where, where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't have a snowballs chance in hell here today because I already know you've got a great, great ISO for the end of show. So I'll just play the one that I brought just for. Just for. Yucks.

[Adam Curry]

In a word.

[News Anchor]

Balls.

[Adam Curry]

You know, now you're not even trying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not, I'm not. Because you're just, you're just killing me with these choices. You've got some, some. Well, that just never runs dry. What are we going to do?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here we go. Let's start with this one. One. This one is a. Could win. All three of these are good. Let's start with better. That was better than a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, gosh, this is so good. Yes. What's your next one?

[Adam Curry]

Then? We have podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody's got a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody's got a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is really done right. What's the last one you have?

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that. Wow. That show was hot today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, close second. Everybody's got a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that show was hot today.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, man. What do you like best? That's hard. It's a hard one.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I think all this is tough, but I, I think if we go with the, with the mumbler, the guy. Everyone's got a podcast. I think it fits. And then we can. I can move these other two. I won't have to go digging for more.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I won't have to do anything for the next two weeks. Everybody's got a podcast. All right, everybody. We have a podcast. But not everybody has John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Great advice for you and me.

[News Anchor]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

This is a product. This is a product you'll find here and there. And it's, it's an important product for people who have wheat issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on.

[Adam Curry]

And Mimi has become one of these people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we know.

[Adam Curry]

And it's not just the gluten thing, but the gluten free stuff is what you have to look for. At least that's a start. So there. I make. If you, if I make pancakes, I make them. I just take any flour and I put some baking powder in it, mix it up with some salt, little shake of salt, and put an egg and some buttermilk and mix it up. And there's pancake. It's a pancake. Yes, but it's got wheat obviously. So I there and, and I don't like pancake mixes but I have to say there's this one pancake mix glued gluten free from a company called P A N Pan. P A N and they have a gluten free pancake mix that's a mix of flours and starches and it tells you instructions how to make it. But I just used to throw an egg and buttermilk in it. I don't care what they tell you to do. Just as though it was a flour mix and you make a pancake from this stuff. And I don't think anyone in the world world could tell that this had no wheat. And it's the stuff. I buy it for Mimi because she can have a satisfying pancake that you'd swear was real, the real deal, when it's not. It's just a blend of crazy flowers and starches and it's P A N gluten free pancake mix.

[John C. Dvorak]

P A N gluten. You know, Zetina won't eat it, he won't eat any pancakes and she makes great pancakes. So I'm going to see if can get some of that. Maybe she'll eat it and just.

[Adam Curry]

They have it. Mexican stores carry this brand. It's on online. You can get it all over the place. They have a bunch of different pancake mixes but this is the gluten free ones, the one that surprises me, how good it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody has a podcast, but not everybody can tell you how to make the best gluten free pancakes. I'm sorry, that alone is worth the price of admission. And it is known as John's Tip of the Day. Tip for the day.net noagendafun.com.

[News Anchor]

And sometimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam created by Dana Brunetti. Yes, thank you very much, Dana Brunetti, created by you. You're the best. You are the awesomest. All right everybody, that's it for our deconstruction for today. We hope you had an enjoyable time. We certainly had a good time and maybe I'll be able to salvage the backup recording. Otherwise. Hope you enjoyed that messed up audio at the beginning. Fantastic. Coming up next on the no Agenda stream. Oh, Bandrew says that's the microphone guy. Well, I won't even mention it. Episode. I don't know what episode. Episode 412. I'm not going to say anything.

[Adam Curry]

He's.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the microphone guy who would test our microphones and give us a glowing review. End of show mixes. Come to you from Sir Michael Anthony. We've got sound guy Steve and Secret Agent Paul. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where we have 50 people holding up Ukraine flags in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley. We haven't got any protesters around here that I know of. Maybe in San Francisco. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We return on Thursday with more media deconstruction just for you. Until then, remember [e-mail] adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such.

[Adam Curry]

The price of eggs. The price of eggs. Eggs, eggs the price of eggs the price of eggs eggs the price of eggs Eggs, eggs The price of eggs eggs, eggs the egg prices out of control. Eggs, eggs the egg prices out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control Eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs eggs eggs and eggs eggs.

[Adam Curry]

The egg prices the egg prices the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eggs prices out of control Tonight Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin.

[News Anchor]

Russians.

[Adam Curry]

Vladimir Putin Ukraine Putin President Putin Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin Ukraine Putin Ukraine.

[News Anchor]

Russia President Bide Putin's Vladimir Putin Ukraine Vladimir Putin Zelensky the Ukrainian Putin President Biden Vladimir Putin Russia Ukraine Putin Putin what was Ukraine?

[Adam Curry]

Who was Ukraine? Where was Ukraine?

[News Anchor]

President Putin President Zelensky Joe Biden Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin Russia Vladimir Putin Ukraine Vladimir Putin bombing Ukraine Russian President Vladimir Putin Russia Ukraine Putin said.

[Adam Curry]

Ukraine says when it comes to Ukraine cook invaded Ukraine What Putin wants helping Ukrainians defend their democracy.

[News Anchor]

Ukraine brutal invasion of Ukraine President Vladimir Putin the Russian offensive against Ukraine continues Russian atrocities President Zelensky of Ukraine I.

[Adam Curry]

Really hope that you and President Putin get together and can solve your problem. That would be a tremendous achievement and I know you're trying to do that. Did you underestimate Vladimir Putin?

[News Anchor]

Putin's intention to press on with his brutal assault on Ukraine and Russia Russia Russian missiles continue to rain down on the port city of Odessa.

[Adam Curry]

More scenes of carnage in Ukraine.

[News Anchor]

Ukraine is a centrally located strategic country in Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump repeatedly asked his Ukrainian counterpart, Vladimir Zelensky to investigate the former vice president.

[News Anchor]

Russia's President Vladimir Putin do we need.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be prepared for the continued destruction of Ukrainian cities?

[News Anchor]

Putin is the the great disruptor. Putin's military is falling apart.

[Adam Curry]

There's a price to pay for peace and democracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please, again, my request, don't trust Putin.

[Adam Curry]

If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news why don't you.

[News Anchor]

Get your Gitmo fix Putin on the reds dressed up like a million dollar true buzz Trying not to look like Anderson Cooper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Super Poopa.

[Adam Curry]

Come, let's mix.

[News Anchor]

Where John Podesta walks with kids.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I mean, pizzas in his midst. Putin on the Ritz. The best podcast in the universe. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mofo Dvorak. Everybody's got a podcast.