1752 - "Pell-Mell"

Summary

No Agenda Show Episode 1752 - "Pell-Mell" Summary

Release Date: April 3, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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1. Cory Booker’s Senate Filibuster Attempt

The episode opens with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak discussing Senator Cory Booker's recent attempt to filibuster on the Senate floor. Booker aimed to protest President Trump's agenda by speaking continuously to delay legislation.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (01:03): "Wendy Davis, she's so brave. She's so courageous... She's amazing to be cringe."

The hosts satirize the media's portrayal of Booker's efforts, comparing it to the iconic film "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," and mocking the effectiveness of such political maneuvers.

2. Trump’s Tariff Announcements and Trade War

A significant portion of the discussion centers around President Donald Trump's declaration of "Liberation Day," marking the initiation of sweeping tariffs on imports to rejuvenate American industry and reclaim economic sovereignty.

Notable Quote:
Adam Curry (15:20): "My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day... the day that we began to make America wealthy again."

a. Effects on Social Security

The hosts delve into the contentious topic of Social Security, arguing that current political strategies aim to undermine its stability through tax cuts for the wealthy and backdoor cuts to benefits.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (05:01): "Social Security is under siege. The chainsaw is pointed at their earned Social Security benefits."

b. Impact on Elon Musk’s White House Role

Elon Musk's position as Head of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is scrutinized. The discussion highlights rumored plans for Musk’s departure following his political endeavors in Wisconsin, which seemed to backfire.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (07:46): "Elon Musk is political poison."

c. Global Reactions to Tariffs

The episode examines the international backlash against Trump's tariffs, noting negative responses from Europe, China, and other global partners. Concerns are raised about the potential escalation into a full-blown trade war.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (38:37): "His aggressivity, this is a new term... They hurt people, they hurt businesses."

3. Media Analysis: Coverage of Tariffs and Political Shifts

Curry and Dvorak critique mainstream media outlets like NPR and CNBC for their handling of Trump's tariff announcements, accusing them of lacking balance and critical analysis.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (23:03): "It's continuously calling it a tax. A tax on your own people."

4. Shift in Religious Affiliation among Gen Z Men

The hosts explore a report indicating that Gen Z men are more religious and leaning conservative compared to their female counterparts. They discuss the implications of this trend for future political landscapes.

Notable Quote:
Producer (160:34): "This is a watershed moment for global trade."

5. Lawfare in Europe: Marine Le Pen's Conviction

The episode highlights the conviction of French right-wing leader Marine Le Pen for embezzling European funds, framing it as an example of "lawfare" used to suppress right-wing politics in Europe.

Notable Quote:
Adam Curry (123:27): "They are going to crush the right wing in Europe because we're growing too fast."

6. Agency Cuts: FDA and HHS Reorganization

A discussion unfolds around the Trump administration's plans to significantly cut jobs within the FDA and reorganize the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The implications for public health and regulatory oversight are debated.

Notable Quote:
Producer (86:03): "The Trump administration announced Thursday that it will cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services."

7. Recommendations and Insights

Curry and Dvorak provide their analyses and recommendations on navigating the changing political and economic landscapes, emphasizing the importance of supporting American industries and being vigilant against policies that threaten social security and economic stability.

8. Producer Clips and Notable Interactions

Throughout the episode, various clips from producers offer additional perspectives on the main topics. These include satirical takes on political figures, commentary on media practices, and personal anecdotes related to the discussed issues.

Notable Quote from Producer (156:03):
"How is this what we are living in? How is this what is happening?"

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Conclusion

Episode 1752 of the No Agenda Show, titled "Pell-Mell," offers a comprehensive deconstruction of recent political events, focusing on Trump's tariff policies, the implications for Social Security, the role of Elon Musk in the White House, and the broader global reactions to these moves. Through a blend of satire, critique, and analysis, hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide listeners with a critical perspective on the evolving media landscape and its portrayal of key political developments.

End of Summary

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

I have a niner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, April 3, 2025. This is your award winning Kimball Nation media assassination episode 1752. This is no Agenda. Feeling liberated and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's time to filibuster the show, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in. I want everyone to know that John and I are wearing catheters on the show so we can continue to bring you the best media deconstruction non stop. They always say that. Well, that person who stood there for 24 hours, they had a catheter. Remember that crazy woman who did that?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Are you talking about the space astronaut?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, she was wearing a diaper.

[Adam Curry]

No, there was a. I think Cory Booker's wearing a diaper. Makes more sense. He's a Democrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was another filibuster.

[Adam Curry]

Ted Cruz did one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it was in the Texas Senate. I think.

[Adam Curry]

This. The abortion bill or whatever it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was that Wendy Davis, that's who it was.

[Adam Curry]

Wendy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wendy Davis.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever happened to Wendy?

[John C. Dvorak]

She disappeared. I remember. Well, whatever did happen to Wendy Davis, I remember because I was still in Austin then and I think, in fact I think I still hung out with the. With the artist and her.

[Adam Curry]

The artist.

[John C. Dvorak]

The artist. Yeah. Another one gone by.

[Adam Curry]

I met her. She came to San Francisco for some art exhibit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because she's an artist. Yeah, she was wacky. She was the wack. Yeah. She was running for governor and I remember I was like the artist, the art. No, no, Wendy Davis, not the artist. Wendy Davis. I remember when Wendy. Oh, Wendy Davis, she's so brave. She's so courageous. You know, she was wearing a catheter. She was catheter dressed. She's amazing to be cringe. Yeah. So that's, that's exactly what they said of Cory Booker. But I'm with you. I think he was wearing a diaper. I think that's much more realistic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was that about va. Do you have any, do you have any clips of that? Please tell me.

[Adam Curry]

I only have the summary clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

24 hours of that. Let's see, what was it? What do you have? Is it under Booker maybe or what? Booker. I got Booker. Booker short report. This is a lot shorter than what he did.

[Producer]

New Jersey Democratic senator Cory Booker has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been speaking on the floor of the US Senate since Monday evening, saying he's.

[Producer]

Protesting President Trump's agenda. NPR's Deidre Walsh has more. Booker began speaking on the senate floor around 7pm local time and said he would remain there for as long as he could to use the platform to highlight his opposition to Republican policies. He stood and declared his intention to, in his words, get in some good trouble.

[John C. Dvorak]

I rise with the intention of disrupting the normal business of the United States Senate for as long as I am physically able.

[Producer]

Booker's extended speech is not likely to delay any legislation and is not technically a filibust. He'll read letters he's received from constituents worried about possible cuts to programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Senators from both parties have used similar tactics to draw attention to issues even when they were unable to stop Senate votes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it completely fell flat.

[Adam Curry]

It was a lunatic. You know the thing, they tried to dramatize it on npr. I didn't get this clip, but they went on the show that compared it to the James Stewart movie and Mr. Smith goes to Washington and how James Stewart was. He was there protesting the corruption. And as they presented. I'm starting to think. Wait a minute. Cory Booker is actually protesting the anti corruption. He was protesting for corruption. He wanted more government waste.

[John C. Dvorak]

More corruption. More waste, please. We want more waste. Now. This is so. I think Chuck Schumer started another, like, all right, everybody, we can do this. We all get together and we can, we can flood, flood the zone. We'll flood the zone. We'll tell everybody what they're doing there. Let's just lie. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's tell them that they're going to take away your Social Security Granny. They're doing exactly what the Republicans did with the granny in the wheelchair. Remember that? They're pushing granny over the cliff.

[Adam Curry]

Remember that? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they.

[Adam Curry]

Wheelchair going over a cliff.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they put together a war room, a Social Security war room, and they all got together and we're gonna do some speeches and we're gonna scare Granny. Look, Social Security has always been the third rail in American politics. You touch it, you get burnt. George W. Bush learned that the hard way. These, this Trump Doge Musk vote administration is in such a bubble. They don't understand it. They are so frothing at the mouth for tax cuts. Jacques, Jacques, who's frothing at the mouth? Chuck Schumer is in such a bubble. They don't understand it. They are so frothing at the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

How about a gas lighter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it gets better. Cuz. We got Warren and that other old bag here, tax cuts for the wealthy that they're willing to even touch, touch Social Security. And they're not just touching, touching it, they're trying to destroy it. They're trying to strangle it.

[Producer]

Elon Musk makes $8 million a day.

[John C. Dvorak]

The American dream, from the federal government.

[Producer]

And he wants to take away the $65 a day that the average Social Security recipient gets. This is really ugly.

[Adam Curry]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it's such a lie. There is no truth, no evidence whatsoever. This is actually. Now you are scaring Granny and other people. People actually are looking at their check. Well, let me get my check. Let me see. Let me see if they cut it.

[Producer]

Trump and Musk know that they don't have the votes in Congress to cut Social Security. So instead they're trying backdoor cuts by dismantling the agency that makes sure that Americans get the benefits that they are legally entitled to.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does that even make sense? So they know they can't do it, but they're going to close the door, they're going to stop the checks, they're going to lay in front of the mail truck. Social Security is under siege. The chainsaw is pointed at their earned Social Security benefits. We believe Republicans have manufactured a crisis in Social Security.

[Adam Curry]

And the reality is security would be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fully funded for generations if Congress eliminated the payroll tax cut cap for billionaires and collected the money that they are illegally evading in taxes. So they're getting a head start by laying off people who are responsible for.

[Adam Curry]

Collecting taxes owed by the wealthy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So then they had another tactic. Well, I know what we'll do. We'll. We'll tell everybody Elon's quitting because we're getting to him.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's stay in the US where media reports are saying that Donald Trump has told close associates that Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will soon step down from his job in the administration.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. Musk is head of the Department.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Government Efficiency, or doge, where he's in charge of cutting federal bureaucracy. Reports emerged after an election in Wisconsin.

[Adam Curry]

That developed into a test of Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Trump's popularity in the state. The tech billionaire poured billions of dollars into the election to pick a new.

[Adam Curry]

Judge on Wisconsin's Supreme Court. Musk's Trump friendly candidate lost to a liberal.

[John C. Dvorak]

The White House responded to the report.

[Adam Curry]

By saying Musk will depart from public.

[John C. Dvorak]

When his work at Doge is complete. So they started this rumor. Oh, Elon's quitting. Oh, he's leaving. Everybody jumped on it. The News. The news add news. Here's NBC's version.

[Producer]

You have some new reporting about Elon Musk and his White House role. What do we know?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do we know? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What do we know?

[John C. Dvorak]

Over the last several days, nothing. As we've heard from President Trump Be good chant. What do we know? Nothing. Why do we not know it? We're dumb. Yeah. Kate, over the last several days, we've heard from President Trump in the Oval Office on Monday saying that Elon Musk would be going back to the private sector in the near future. Well, we're just hearing from a senior White House official that the president did tell his cabinet back during a meeting on March 24 that Elon Musk, the heads up doge and of course has become a key figure in this administration that he would be going back to the private sector. And the White House official tells me that this would be at the end of his 130 days as a special government employee. Of course, that would be in late May, March. So of course, Kate, this how would.

[Adam Curry]

That be Late March of next year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Comes on the heels of that special election in Wisconsin yesterday where Democrats are seeing that as a win. Elon Musk, of course, spending millions is PAC spending millions of dollars on that Supreme Court race and that his candidate lost significantly in that race. This all comes in that timing. But again, the White House saying that this was in the works before this and this just simply is Elon Musk, his role as a government employee running its. I will say when Musk was running around on the stage in Wisconsin with the cheese on his head, I thought, man, you are a Trump's monkey boy. You'll really do whatever he wants you to. That. That I thought that was bad, but I don't know. The bottom line is Elon is political poison. This morning you can find some Democrats smiling maybe for the first time in.

[Adam Curry]

The last few months. That's after some good special election results, an outright win in Wisconsin and some better margins in the state of Florida. So what does it all mean and what really happens? Data analyst Harry is here. Let's start with a little bit of Wisconsin, right? And a moose bouche on Wisconsin. Like some sorbet?

[John C. Dvorak]

How do they come up with these? With these?

[Adam Curry]

Chef has a special treat especially for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. I had dinner the other night at what's it called here? It's a Cabernet grill, which is actually probably the best place to get steak. And you know what they had as an amuse bouche, a specialty from the.

[Adam Curry]

Chef before a Single pistachio.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, the cabernet grill, man. We're Texans. No, they had deep fried deviled eggs. This was.

[Adam Curry]

That's a Scotch egg, I believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but I mean, no, because it was really. They had really done the devil thing inside, you know, so it was half an egg and they put the. The filling in. So it was really a deviled egg, not a scotch. Scotch egg is just the whole egg. But anyway, that was their amuse bouche. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

How was it? It was probably tasty.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was fantastic. Yeah, yeah. We go nuts here. We try all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they're not like deep. I'm sure that's not invented there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it.

[Adam Curry]

Who's boush on Wisconsin? This was a race.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk spent big in this race.

[Adam Curry]

To sway the Supreme Court race there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he also went to Wisconsin, which.

[Adam Curry]

May honestly have backfired. Yeah, I think it may have backfired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, I think if there's one thing we should be taking away from the results in Wisconsin and the polling that we have from Wisconsin and national. If you are a Republican candidate running in a swing state, you don't want Elon Musk anywhere near you. Yes, maybe you like the money, but you do not want his presence in your state. Why is that?

[Adam Curry]

Elon Musk, simply put, is an unpopular guy. He is political poison.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look in Wisconsin, his NET favorable rating, -12 points. 12 points.

[Adam Curry]

Underwater stats guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

They forgot to mention that Soros spent more.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they try to downplay the Soros thing. I've seen a number of stories where they don't even mention Soros. It's just the one side was backed by a billionaire and the other side. Oh, grassroots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Total grassroots. Yes. And at this point it's got to.

[Adam Curry]

Be done nothing but damage the system. Everybody he puts in has been the soft on crime weenies. And it's just that this is. And you think the media would. Would side with anybody but Soros. But no, no. Source is great and I think it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Open Society Institute, which has got to be Alex at this point. I mean, George.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, George isn't doing anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ye. We need. We need to say Alex Source just to make. Make it clear. And is. Did. Is he now married to. To Abedine? Is that all done? Did they. Is that. Did that happen?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so. Aberdeen political poison Looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aberdeen, Wisconsin is NET Favorable rating minus 12 points. 12 points underwater.

[Adam Curry]

That is an even worse number when you look nationally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at that. It's minus 17 points. Dude, dude, easy does it. So if there's one big lesson to take away from Wisconsin is Elon Musk does not help Republicans when he shows up.

[Adam Curry]

If anything, the data suggests that he hurts him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Republicans stay clear of Elon Musk. If you want to win in a swing state, at least in terms of his physical appearance in your state, especially with that cheese on his head. I'll agree. I think the cheese on his head was a mistake. I would not have advised that.

[Adam Curry]

I would not have one of those cheese heads. They deteriorate after about 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they get. They start to break away. Like in chunky pieces.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's like it turns into a powder. It's like a bad type of plastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

I get rid of that.

[Adam Curry]

They're made out of foam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should get rid of that. That's probably toxic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can't find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not surprised.

[Adam Curry]

In the House somewhere. I don't know where it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

So all of this fell away in the backdrop of. And I'm just gonna say we didn't know it would happen this way. It was unexpected, but I think we now are officially in World War Three. That's what this is. It's a trade war. But we're in World War Three. Liberation Day. And we did it backwards. We celebrated liberation first, then we started the war. It's been amazing to watch. I've just been like. Because nobody knows what's going to happen with these tariffs. Every economist. Oh, it's gonna be great. Oh, it's gonna be the worst thing ever. Oh, the whole world going to go into recession. Depression, 1930. It's all over. Oh, no. This is going to make America the best. It's Mawa. Mawa Mahwa. That's the new one. Mawa. Make America wealthy again.

[Adam Curry]

My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day waiting for a long time. April 2, 2025, will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began to make America wealthy again. Going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy. For decades, our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike. American steelworkers, auto workers, farmers and skilled craftsmen. We have a lot of them here with us today. They really suffered gravely. They watched in anguish as foreign leaders have stolen our jobs, foreign cheaters have ransacked our factories, Foreign scavengers have torn apart our once beautiful American dream. We had an American dream that you don't hear so much about. You did four years ago and you are now. But you don't too often and for many years and decades even you didn't hear too much about. Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for more than 50 years. But it is not going to happen anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not going to happen. There were a couple of really interesting things about this announcement. I was, I was watching the, I was watching CNBC and Fox News and watching the after hours numbers, the after hour trading and everything kind of closed on. It really surprised me. Everything closed up and it was as if no one believed he was going to do this. The minute he brought that wacky chart out that board, boom. Everything started tanking. Everyone's like, oh, this is the worst of all worst possible scenarios. We didn't expect this. Well, what do we do? You didn't expect him to actually do this. And there was something else in this speech because it's not really about tariffs, but a whole bunch of other things.

[Adam Curry]

For decades, the United States slashed our trade barriers on other countries while those nations placed massive tariffs on our products and created outrageous non monetary barriers to decimate our industries. And in many cases the non monetary barriers were worse than the monetary ones. They manipulated their currencies, subsidized their exports, stole our intellectual property, imposed exorbitant VAT taxes to disadvantage our products, adopted unfair rules and technical standards and created filthy pollution havens. They were absolutely filthy. But they always came to us and they said we're violating, we should pay for it. It's all detailed in a very big report by the U.S. trade Representative on foreign trade barriers. And I'll just hold it up for you. Big report available and you don't have to pay too much. As I understand it, you pay nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big report a lot of work.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of work for something actually, because it's a special, it's a special book. It's very, frankly, it's very upsetting when you read it, when you see what people have been doing to us for 30 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's the best book ever. It's the best. Best book ever. 30 years.

[Adam Curry]

30.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. Best book. It's a beautiful book. I started reading the book, I'm like, my eyes are glazing over from this book. And the way they calculate and surprising was with a reciprocal. And so the president put exactly 50% tariffs of all the tariffs that have been put on us. So if you had 40%, then you got 20% from us. And the economists are flabbergasted at how they did the calculation.

[Adam Curry]

Some economists have figured out the way that what I wanted to. Which says you were on the Trump clips. I had a couple of clips I wanted to get in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, okay, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Because I thought that these were the more important clips of that speech of his, which were the ones that have actual numbers. When he started bitching about nafta. And I believe that the NAFTA thing, he might be right about it was the deciding factor.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's where his 30 years comes from. Is from NAFTA.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think you're right, because it does seem to match, because that's. Clinton came up with nafta and it really. It opened the drain. That's for sure. But since the very beginning of NAFTA, our country lost 90,000 factories. Think of what that is. 90,000. Think about putting a map up and putting tax on it. You wouldn't have enough room. 90,000. I said, is that possible? We had to check four different times. And it was actually somewhat higher than that. And 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost while racking up trade deficits of $19 trillion. That was the worst trade deal ever made. As a result of these gigantic losses, foreign nations now own $26 trillion more of American assets than American.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

I thought those were good numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And 90,000 is a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a lot. Thank you, Bill Clinton.

[Adam Curry]

And the other thing was. Is I remember because the first thing that came to mind with the 90,000 factories gone, and the first thing that came to mind with me was Maytag, the washing machine company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Made the greatest washing machine you could buy. Is still. I mean, you still used ones are better than the ones you can get today. And they took that, closed down the entire operation, and moved the whole thing to Mexico. And because of nafta, it is part two of the NAFTA complaint. The United States can no longer produce enough antibiotics to treat our sick. We have a tremendous problem. We have to go to foreign countries to treat our sick. If anything ever happened from a war standpoint, we wouldn't be able to do it. We import virtually all of our computers, phones, televisions, and electronics. We used to dominate the field, and now we import it all from different countries. A single shipyard in China now produces more ships every year than all of the American shipyards combined. Think of that. And it was a business that we used to dominate. We used to dominate it totally. In short, chronic trade deficits are no longer merely an economic problem. They're a national emergency that threatens our security and our very way of life.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I Want to play this clip from Deutsche Welle where they explain the calculation of the numbers because they did not really look at the tariffs, they looked at completely different things. Some economists have figured out the way.

[Adam Curry]

That these were calculated by the White.

[John C. Dvorak]

House and its team.

[Adam Curry]

And these economists have been flabbergasted at.

[John C. Dvorak]

How cumbersome these equations.

[Adam Curry]

Basically saying that the US took the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trade deficit that the US has with.

[Adam Curry]

Said country and divided it by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imports from that country, which is a.

[Adam Curry]

Very clunky way of doing things and not as surgical as you would expect. Some countries, though, however, of course have tried to stave off these tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

The White House, though, says that it.

[Adam Curry]

Was too little, too late.

[John C. Dvorak]

A senior White House official that we heard from said, quote, this is not.

[Adam Curry]

A negotiation, it's a national emergence. And they said that the biggest problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was not necessarily tariff, the tariffs themselves.

[Adam Curry]

But actually non tariff barriers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So things like quotas, import licenses, embargoes.

[Adam Curry]

And things like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there are still some countries, however, trying to work their way around these tariffs.

[Adam Curry]

But right now they will be coming into effect in the next couple of days a minimum of 10%, but some nations paying drastically more than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they were really looking at the grand picture. I think that's, that's kind of smart. It's like, look what.

[Adam Curry]

I thought so too. Which brings me to another clip, if you don't mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

This is the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just talking to the mic man. You're not hitting the mic.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry. Yeah, so I was reaching for something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

While talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

What were you reaching for?

[Adam Curry]

The paper that has the list of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, the clip list. Very important paper.

[Adam Curry]

Npr. When they discussed this, they were, you know, and you saw this in most media. In fact, here we start with this tariff slant. Npr, you can hear what they think behind it. You know, it's like this bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

President Donald Trump announced a sweeping plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

To apply a 10% tariff, all imports coming into the U.S. nPR's Franco Ordonez reports.

[Adam Curry]

A list of countries will also face additional, quote, reciprocal tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some countries will face reciprocal tariffs as high as 49% and what some experts describe as the most aggressive changes to.

[Adam Curry]

US Trade policy in decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump announced a plan during a Rose Garden ceremony at the White House.

[Adam Curry]

This is one of the most important days, in my opinion, in American history. It's our declaration of economic independence.

[John C. Dvorak]

U.S. officials say the 10% tariffs will start April 5th. About 60 countries will face additional customized.

[Adam Curry]

Reciprocal tariffs starting on April 9th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump boasted the plan would supercharge the industrial base and boost government revenues. But most economists warn that tariffs will raise prices for consumers and could hurt the economy. The exact extent to which the new Trump administration tariffs will play out in.

[Adam Curry]

The economy is an unknown. But if history is any guide, while.

[John C. Dvorak]

The tariffs could create jobs in some sectors, they will also cause job losses in others. Diane Swonk is the chief economist at KPMG US she says the higher tariffs against goods imported from other countries could essentially rewrite the way global, global trade has been conducted, potentially pushing up prices for US Consumers.

[Producer]

Tariffs are a regressive tax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not only do they tax those who.

[Producer]

Can afford at least, they also tend to trigger reactions by our trading partners and can trigger a trade war. And they cause inflation and stem growth at the same time.

[John C. Dvorak]

New tariffs will not apply to some goods like steel and aluminum, which are already subject to tariffs. I like this. They're continuously calling it a tax. A tax. It's a tax. It's a tax on your own people. And then Queen Ursula says, well, you know, we're just gonna have to raise our tariffs. Well, aren't you saying you're gonna raise taxes on your own people then? It's a tariff. It's a tariff.

[Adam Curry]

It's never presented that way. That's a very good observation. Yeah, it's not never presented that. It's only on our side. Everything's bad about us and npr, you know, they don't have a balance. They don't have one guy saying something else. I mean, I got clips. I got a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course not. Why would you do that?

[Adam Curry]

So I was stunned. Oh, when Planet Money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's. Is that Kyle the spook?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know who it is, but. No, this is. No, that was the Other Money show.

[John C. Dvorak]

The other spook.

[Adam Curry]

The other spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Planet Money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Planet Money similar. And Planet Money, which is on npr, they played this. These two. I got two clips here and they kind of went to the. And I didn't get the memo, I guess, and they kind of took it the other way.

[John C. Dvorak]

But for a long time, the dominant voices in the profession made the case that those trade offs were really worth it. Top lawmakers in both parties in the US really bought into this idea that, you know, free trade would be great for America, and they really pushed it for the rest of the world.

[Producer]

And through the decades of that argument, there's been an economist who argued that the dominant voices in economics were wrong, that free trade actually sometimes held countries back and protectionism could help make them richer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, I'm Ha Joon Chang. I'm professor of economics at the University of London.

[Producer]

Ha Joon Chang wrote a book called Kicking Away the ladder in 2002 about how rich countries used protectionist policies like tariffs back when they were developing, and then told everyone else they couldn't do that. They had to do free trade.

[John C. Dvorak]

And being a pro tariff economist back in the early 2000s, it was kind of lonely. But he's got kind of the perfect example of why tariffs can work. My favorite example is Hyundai, the automobile company.

[Producer]

When Ha Joon was a little kid growing up in South Korea, Hyundai was not yet an automobile company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hyundai originally was a construction company, but sometime in the late 60s, this company decided that they want to build an automobile manufacturing business.

[Producer]

So first Hyundai had to figure out how to make a car. Ha Joon says it started by placing an order with Ford for something called a knockdown kit, which is just a big wooden box full of all the parts you could ever need to build one car. The box arrives, you open it up, and it's just full of car parts, large and small. A door, a bolt, two headlights.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that how they put the cybertruck together?

[Adam Curry]

The knockdown kit.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the knockdown kit, the Bee, just throw a couple of pounds. Have you ever seen a knockdown Kid?

[Adam Curry]

No, I never have. I've heard of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh, Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

So that goes from there. And then the kicker here is exactly what you mentioned a minute ago, which is that instead of using the tariff number, you use the actual. What they actually did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the trade balance in general. They took the trade balance.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but listen to this piece of information. That how Hyundai got into business in the first place. And now they make a really terrific car. But listen to what. What did you think they had to do to get to the point where they are now? Listen, they assembled around 3,000 of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cars in the late 60s. And then in the mid 70s, South Korean government said, we are going to cancel the license for auto manufacturers unless they come up with their own design.

[Producer]

Yeah, the government was like, actually, we want our car industry to be real companies, global players. Assembling a Ford car is not our end goal here. Can you level up a little bit?

[John C. Dvorak]

So Hyundai had to come out with their own design. In 1976, it made the Hyundai Pony. It was the first Korean passenger car. They made around 10,000 of them in a year. In the same year, Ford produced 1.9 million cars. General Motors produced 4.8 million cars.

[Producer]

So they had a ways to go, and they Got a lot of help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Initially this company had to be hugely subsidized both by the government and by its own existing business construction. Yeah, there was no way this company was going to be able to make money without that. So yeah, Hyundai was losing money on this new venture and he's saying the government decided to pitch in, give it some subsidies and the other parts of Hyundai that were profitable sent over their money. But even that wasn't enough. Even then it had to be protected from foreign competition because who's going to buy this 2 bit car when you could import a Cadillac or you know, Mustang? Yeah, no way. So import of foreign cars were completely banned.

[Producer]

Yeah, a total import ban. Like a tariff to infinity. The tariff of all tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh man.

[Adam Curry]

That's how you do it. Yeah, complete ban.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I guess we subsidize our, our aircraft manufacturing industry with war in a way. Or maybe that doesn't even count anymore. What so and I actually I watched a lot of Bloomberg television which is so much superior to cnbc. CNBC is just pretty people hair on fire. Bloomberg is actually ugly people on Bloomberg. And you know, and they have just the, the video is not the most important thing. It's all the stats and the charts around it and you. And they had Tom Ford on, he's. What is he the, the. The governor of again?

[Adam Curry]

Of Ottawa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Ottawa or.

[Adam Curry]

No, of Ontario.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ontario.

[Adam Curry]

I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so you know, there's a. There's this massive carve out for Mexico and for Canada based on the U. USMCA which is the renegotiated version of NAFTA that the President did when he was 45. And man, it's like this. Remember Tom Ford? I'm gonna turn off the power. We're gonna fight you. We don't care about you. Look at me. I smoke crack like my brother. And this is a whole new guy. Canada got a break and they know it. It's great to have you with us, Mr. Ford. You've called this termination day instead of liberation. What will be the response now from Canada? Well, let's see where these tariffs go. I'm cautiously optimistic that I never saw Canada or Mexico on that list. And it just goes to show you two great countries working together, collaborating together and building relationships. So it's again, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it's. If that's the case, it's the right thing for both the US And Canada.

[Producer]

Well, and considering Canada was not on that list, we understand the existing regime is in place of the tariffs that are in place with the exemption of goods that are USMCA compliant. Does that mean, sir, at least in your mind, that it wouldn't be appropriate for Canada to retaliate for this at this time?

[John C. Dvorak]

That is. That is correct. If that's the case, then I would highly recommend to the Prime Minister not to retaliate and let's carry on a strong relationship. Let's build the Amcan fortress, American Canadian fortress, around countries and be the wealthiest, most prosperous, safest two countries in the world. So he went, wait a minute. He went from, you know, shutting off electricity. This is no good. Trump is declaring war to let's build a fence around Am Can Am can. I never heard of that one. Am Can. He's folding here. You suggested that Canada would bring down its tariffs if the United States did the same. Does this turn into a game of chicken? Do you believe that the White House would respond accordingly? Well, I hope so. You know, it's. We're neighbors for the last 200 years, and when we show good faith or the US shows good, good faith, you have to follow. This is a partnership that's going to go on for hopefully several hundred more years and decades to come. And, and we have bigger concerns.

[Adam Curry]

Got him aside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just wait for it. Both Canada and the US Than each other. We have to keep an eye on other countries like, like China. Who makes the first move in a game like that? Well, we'll, we'll work collaboratively with the administration and with our prime minister and he'll be speaking to President Trump I' the next day or so, and we'll be working with Secretary Lutnick and to get a clear picture of what this means for Canada. Now, the main thing here, which is really the biggest industry that we've been talking about and most of this deals with. You played Hyundai there a minute ago, is the auto industry.

[Producer]

What about what it means for the auto sector in particular?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because, I mean, auto sector.

[Producer]

We learned last week that the president would announce what he made final today, which is that 25% tariffs on auto imports will be going into place. Obviously, parts are going to be included in that eventually, sir. So what impact do you expect that alone will have even if tariffs on or reciprocal tariffs were not applied to Canada today?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I just hope there's no tariffs on auto because parts go back and forth across the border seven, eight times before they get assembled, either in Ontario or one of the states, be it Michigan or other US states. It's a system that works and works. Since 1965, I've always said, you can't unscramble an egg. That's been around since 1965. You have to make the omelette larger. And we're just so much stronger together. We buy as many vehicles as we sell down there, and the ones that we ship to the U.S. 50% of that automobile is U.S. parts. So I think the system is working. It's working well for both countries, and it's a great system. Especially Canada's buying 400% more vehicles off the U.S. than Mexico does, 200% more than any other country in the world. We have an incredible relationship with the two great countries. So integrated on many different sectors, but even the people are integrated. You know, millions and millions of Canadians and Americans travel, but back and forth across the border, they have family members on both sides of the border. And we just appreciate. And Canadians love Americans. I love Americans. I love the US 20 years of my life there. And I have a tremendous amount of respect and friendships with our American counterparts. So I heard all that. And then this is the last short clip. Definitely, definitely, definitely. Someone showed a picture and said, hey.

[Adam Curry]

Ford, what's that in your mouth?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so how, I guess in the end do you feel, Mr. Ford, about what we heard today from the White House? You could frame this as could have been worse. You could also feel betrayed by some of the comments that President Trump delivered. How would you describe. Well, I never. Yeah, I never take anything personal from President Trump or any. Anyone else. I understand he's a business man, and that's the way he conducts his business. And Fair enough. He has a job to do. We have a job to do. And I think any negotiation, we meet in the middle and make sure that we grow two great countries and make them the strongest in the world, that no one can touch us. We'll ship down all the critical minerals. We'll ship down all the oil that you need, like electricity, anything that you need. We have more natural resources than anyone in the entire world. And again, there's no one I'd want to ship it down to more than our great friends and allies. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing. That was amazing. So, okay, so that worked. Let's listen to the rest of the world.

[Producer]

Europe woke up to chaos this morning as Trump announced sweeping tariffs on his largest trading partners. Good morning for.

[Adam Curry]

For Ursula von der Leyen.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a major blow to the world economy.

[Producer]

The global economy will massively suffer. Uncertainty will spiral and trigger the rise of further protectionism. The costs of doing business with the United States will drastically increase.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what is more, there seems to.

[Producer]

Be no order in the disorder among Trump's announcements. A 20% tariff on all goods imported.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the European Union. I strongly believe that tariffs benefit no one. They're bad for the world economy. They hurt people, they hurt businesses.

[Producer]

The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled through global aggressivity.

[John C. Dvorak]

His aggressivity, this is a new term.

[Adam Curry]

Aggressively, I think, is what she tried.

[John C. Dvorak]

To say, bad for the world economy. They hurt people, they hurt businesses.

[Producer]

The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity ripple.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she says aggressivity.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but I think she meant aggress. Well, she. Aggressivity, I guess aggressiveness is the word she. I think she really meant to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do they have no line producers there at aggressivity businesses?

[Producer]

The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled through global economies. China's Finance Ministry spokesperson spoke of his outrage, saying it was not in line with trade rules, and called it unilateral bullying. Whilst Mexico and Canada might have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exempt from this round of Trump's trade.

[Producer]

War, the countries are still reeling from the steel and aluminium tariffs imposed in March.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another 25% tariffs on cars kicked in on Thursday. The series of measures will directly affect millions of Canadians. We are going to fight these tariffs with countermeasures. We are going to protect our workers and we are going to build the strongest economy.

[Producer]

As the world prepares as their response, many are bracing for the devastating impact that this trade war will have on consumers worldwide.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a war. It's World War Three. And a very different noise there from Mark Carney versus Tom Ford. I found that to be rather surprising. No unity there, but we need to check a few more people, including too many photos from Epstein island, including our buddy from Australia.

[Producer]

It's a watershed moment for global trade. US President Donald Trump announced universities universal 10 tariffs on all imports into the US. For some countries, this could be as high as 50%. As the world begins to wake up to the news of these staggering tariffs, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said it was totally unwarranted.

[Adam Curry]

The administration's tariffs have no basis in logic and they go against the basis of our two nations partnership. This is not the act of a friend. Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, man. I spent time on that.

[Adam Curry]

Good work.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you. I'm. I'm glad you pre announced it.

[Adam Curry]

Our two nations partnership. This is not the act of a friend. Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the global economy.

[Producer]

On the other side of the Atlantic, the EU is one of the US's closest allies and partners. The bloc was hit with a 20% tariff on all imports. Italian Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney was the first EU leader to respond to the news in a statement on Facebook. The introduction of tariffs towards the European Union by the USA is a measure that I consider wrong and that does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not suit any party. We will do everything we can to work a deal with the United States aiming to prevent a trade war that.

[Producer]

Would inevitably weaken the west in favor of other global actors. For many economists and political pundits, these sweeping tariffs will have a negative impact. The stock market was already rattled after Trump's announcement. Others say they threatened to push much of the world into an economic recession.

[John C. Dvorak]

If the EU and other countries retaliate. The loss to the global economy will be 1.4 trillion. That is trillion with a T. This, by the way, some professor who looks like Jeff Jarvis dollars.

[Adam Curry]

This is one of the most.

[John C. Dvorak]

In addition to being economically illiterate speeches, it is accompanied by the most economically damaging actions that have been taken since the last round of high tariffs, which.

[Adam Curry]

Was in the 1930s, which helped lead to the Great Depression.

[Producer]

But Trump called it Liberation Day, promising these measures will pay off for the us.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I have to play this guy. This is another economist. This guy was in the. Mainly because they keep bringing up Smoot Hawley and I think Horowitz brought it up to me too. But I just want to ask who Smooth Hawley, who Smoot Hawley was The extra tariffs they added right after the stock market collapsed in 2020. In 1929.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Yes. Okay, that's.

[Adam Curry]

And so they were tariffing at the time. And then the stock market collapsed and around 1930, 31 period, they introduced the Smoot Hawley, which added more tariffs on top of the tariffs you already had, and it collapsed. They think it may have contributed to the continued collapse of the economy in the 30s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the way, the way. The way I keep hearing it is when we put tariffs on in 1929, it caused the Great Depression. That's what I keep hearing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's that. Well, the. And that this clip clarifies that. No, that the Smoot Hawley came in after the crash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But they still can say. Because it was before 1933, which was the bottom of the crash. They can still say caused the. You know.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

But the funny thing was that one little ele that I didn't realize until I Heard this guy talk. This is a guy named Joe Lavanya. It's under the Joe clip we're talking about. Yeah, this guy was a council economic advisors guy, very smart guy. Typical. The other side of the argument guy that nobody else seems to be wanting to put on. So Charles Payne did on his show on Fox Business. Now the thing that he noted and it was kind of stepped on by Payne in this because Paynes likes to chat, but is that Smoot Hawley when it was additional tariffs caused deflation, not inflation.

[John C. Dvorak]

How interesting.

[Adam Curry]

And during the Great Depression it was a deflationary period. It didn't cause inflation. It caused just the opposite. So the argument about this causing inflation is nonsense. And this guy makes the point of the reason why. And I'll just summarize in advance. People are always all, they're all big shots about, you know, Mises and they're all, well, you know, there's all these, all these theories about supply side economics and Milton Friedman and all the rest of it. And Friedman himself has talked about this to an extreme. Inflation's always caused by the money supply. Period.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. How much of this do you think will be absorbed in margins of corporations? Absorbed on a retail and wholesale level as opposed to just directly passed on to consumers? Consumer a lot will be absorbed in.

[Adam Curry]

The margin, which is probably for some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Companies bad for their stock right back in.

[Adam Curry]

It's a smaller subset of course back in 1819, but most of it was absorbed in the margin. None of it was paid by the US Buyer, although that could change in the next go around. But you know, Charles, I'm looking at this chart, the one I'd add another row because I see CPI increases and this concept that these tariffs are, are inflationary, that's a misnomer. Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon or monetary and credit phenomenon. It's a price level adjustment ultimately that'll be offset elsewhere if the Fed doesn't increase the money supply. And this notion somehow that we're going to have high inflation because of tariffs just is not accurate.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, and to your point, I mean even Smoot Hawley, the 1930s, we had the greatest deflationary period in history. History. Not inflationary, deflationary in history.

[Adam Curry]

I was arguing with someone on another show recently about, about, about that. And if you look back in the 20s, the US was like China is today.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were a massive exporter of goods.

[Adam Curry]

And we had big trade surpluses.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when the Fed let a lot of banks fail and the money supply.

[Adam Curry]

Collapsed back in the late 20s, we were a big exporter of goods. So when Smoot Hawley went in, we actually heard our. Ourselves. It's the exact opposite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the exact opposite. Well, I mean, what you're seeing is the refi mission is on track. The 10 year is almost at 4%. The dollar has weakened, which is what you want for exports. And I see here on cnbc, President Trump says tariff rollout going very well. It's going very well. Market.

[Adam Curry]

There was another little tidbit in there that I thought was interesting, which I think accounts for the market, the stock market collapsing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because the money is leaving America. This is why people like Horowitz are pissed.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. The reason it was collapsing, if you listen to the. In that. Within that clip, he said that most of the. With tariffs, most of it is taken up by. Most of it's made up for by the companies themselves. And they're shrinking margins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which hurts their stock. So in other words.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So you're, you're making like Apple, for example, has this tremendous margins. And so they could actually keep the prices the same, but they'd have to cut their margin to an extreme, which would hurt the stock price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your PDE ratio goes down.

[Adam Curry]

So the market right now is not collapsing because money's leaving the country, but it's because they're, they're adjusting for the future. Because the market's always saying, well, this is not going to be good for the. So we have to, you know, our stocks aren't gonna be worth that much more because the profit's not gonna be what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so what the naysayers would say is, and I'm obviously not the expert here, you are much more versed in this. The naysayers will say, well, they're all just gonna jack the prices up, which.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what they keep saying, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't seem likely. It's like, certainly companies like Apple can take a little bit of a hit.

[Adam Curry]

They can take a huge hit and the prices don't need to get jacked up and people will stop buying. And if you don't buy, you're not going to sell anything, obviously. Well, it's too high. I'm not going to pay for that. I'll wait. I mean, just because something's on the market and it doesn't mean you have to buy it if it goes up in price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, Right. So I have a couple clips here from Scott Besant again from Bloomberg. And everybody was doing the rounds. Everybody was doing the rounds. So I'll skip the intro and go straight to the negotiations question.

[Producer]

We're going to have the baseline tariffs come into effect, purse first, then the reciprocal tariffs, a little bit more of a different rate for each individual trading partner. Are you preparing for to negotiate with some of these trading partners before that tariff rate comes into effect on April 9th?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think there have been a lot of discussions, but I think we're just going to have to wait and see what would happen. What I would say, Anne Marie, is I would advise none of the countries to panic. I wouldn't try to retaliate because as long as you don't retaliate, this is the high end of the number. And I think the market could have certainty that, that this is the number barring retaliation. So we've got a ceiling and then we can see if there's a different floor. I also think doing this half the rate is really genius because it's much easier to ratchet it up to parity. And Trump made this whole this thing about we're nice people, we're nice people. So we're not going to hit you that hard. We're only going to hit you with half. I mean this is, as Bessen will tell you here, this is the art of the deal.

[Producer]

So you sound like you're ready for negotiation. A number of these partners has the European Union, has China, has India, have these countries reached out?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they've all reached out, but it's going to be up to President Trump to see what he wants to do. I think the mindset might be to let things settle for a while. Their terrorists or non tariff barriers have been on a long time. So we'll see where it goes from here.

[Producer]

When it comes to China, they have a much higher rate on this list. On top of that there's still that 20% fentanyl tariff rate. Is all of this coming together to be more than a 50% tariff rate for Beijing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, I think it is and I think it's a combination of things. And you know, again that I think China said today that solving the fentanyl crisis depends on taking off the fentanyl tariff tariffs. And I'm pretty sure that's not the way the sequencing is going to work. They're exporting the precursor chemicals and every, every day, every week, every month, Americans are dying and it's going to have to stop. So then he throws in because of course the market is something Bloomberg wants to talk about. He throws in a nice little term here that made me smile.

[Producer]

Okay. But since the peaks in February stocks are down 8%. I think the Nasdaq back from its high most recently is down 12%. So far though, these kind of, this kind of market downdraft so far this year is not concerning you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, look, in my old business I was very concerned about market movements and I'm trying to be secretary of treasury, not a market commentator. What I would point out is that especially the Nasdaq. NASDAQ peaked on deep seat day. That so that's a Mag7 problem, not a Maga problem. Peaked on deep sea Mag7 problem, not a MagA problem. Oh, yes. Bye bye, AI. Now, the other side of this is critical for it all to work and the president made that clear in his ruse garden hold up the sign speech. The tax cuts are necessary to keep real wages up and that's the big one here.

[Producer]

Okay. So let's talk about what else you've been spending a lot of your time doing. You have been up on Capitol Hill constantly. You are really working on trying to make sure that this administration can extend the tax cuts and jobs act on top of that, more tax cuts right now. How are the conversations going in Congress?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I actually think the most underreported story in Washington, not by Bloomberg, of course, is the incredible unanimous unity amongst. He's having problems talking today. He's got bird feathers in his.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but he, what's he giving the business to Bloomberg for since everyone's talking about this? Not Bloomberg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I think he's just being show busy. You know, it's what you do. It's like, oh, you know, Joe, only people on your show talk the truth. Union enemy unity amongst Republicans. And I think it's President Trump's leadership. But Mike Johnson with a very narrow margin issued the reconciliation instructions and then he also passed a clean continuing resolution on the Senate side. They are very attentive and I think they may have something done by this Saturday. Whoa. Imagine that. By this Saturday.

[Adam Curry]

No way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what he said. That's what he said. Final clip here is about the consumers.

[Producer]

While all this is happening, consumer sentiment has definitely taken a bit of a dive. Expectations for inflation have gone up. Banks like Goldman are cutting their GDP forecast, saying potentially the Fed is going to have to cut rates. Not the good kind of cuts, the kind of cuts because they're nervous about growth. How concerned are you that the timing of all this is going to be incredibly changing?

[John C. Dvorak]

I was waiting for you. Where were you?

[Adam Curry]

She said not the good kind of cuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

What is she talking about she's trying.

[John C. Dvorak]

To slip in, I think tax for the tax cuts for the rich, which is, is the narrative that has just been drummed into everybody's head. But no, it's not. In fact, the R are disadvantaged by this whole deal. If you've got a lot of stocks and bonds, it's at a disadvantage to the rich.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but if you remember the first go around back in Trump's first term, we had our, our, our gay accountant guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who is our.

[Adam Curry]

Handles the big, big money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the anonymous guy. Yeah, anonymous.

[Adam Curry]

We're way beneath his.

[John C. Dvorak]

His way beneath. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But he deigns to give us information every so often. Was telling us how that all his rich clients, which he's loaded with them, were bitching and moaning about where's my tax cut for the rich? Because it did not exist. In fact, they were getting screwed because they weren't letting him take off enough interest from their taxes. They've changed that rule and that went kind of undiscussed by the mainstream media. So this bullcrap and the fact that they keep harping, the Democrats keep harping on this tax cuts for the rich nonsense, it's an embarrassment.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is. Because it's just, I mean, it still works within the media circles because you hear her kind of falling for it. But the tax cuts will be no tax on Social Security. So Social Security checks will should in actuality go up. No tax chips.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Social Security checks will not go up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they're taxed, aren't they?

[Adam Curry]

No, they're not taxed. You have to put them on. You get your Social Security and then at the end of the year you get a 1099. You better put it on your taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. Yes. Okay, so the checks won't go up, but effectively the money goes up. No taxes on tips, interest deduction on your car loan if it's an American made car. And salt becomes deductible again or unlimited. Dude, that would make a difference. And that would make a difference to billionaires too, obviously. Anyway, let's finish this off.

[Producer]

The cut rates, not the good kind of cuts. The kind of cuts because they're nervous about growth. How concerned are you that the timing of all this is going to be incredibly challenging because of how the American consumer, how corporate America is feeling at this moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it tells me a couple of things. One, we got to get the tax bill done quickly, so because that's a confidence builder. And two, we're seeing sentiment surveys from the American people. But we haven't actually seen them take action. If the households actually thought that there were going to be inflation, if their real inflation expectations had increased, what would they be doing? They'd be hoarding goods and they would be demanding wage increases. And neither one of those has happened yet.

[Producer]

So at the moment you're not concerned about some of the soft data we're seeing?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I see nothing. And one of the great things, many great things about being a Treasury is we have lots of business people come through and everything we're seeing, seeing in the economy is still very solid.

[Producer]

And executives haven't voiced any of these concerns on to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's, there's some idiosyncratic things, but in terms of the expectations actually turning into hard data, none of them have seen it yet. So nobody really knows anything. Everyone's just saying, oh, if all these things come together, it'll work. I have a sneaky suspicion it's really going to work work. And it may start working sooner than people think, but I don't think anybody really knows. It's certainly unprecedented. He certainly is shaking things up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it seems overdue. Yes, because we actually don't make anything except jets and bombs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and what I love is guys like our buddy there in North Carolina after the, after the storm, you know, he started Pearl Boot Company. Nice looking boots, good price, American made, American leather. You know, I think he's trying to resurrect the shoe company. You know, Vietnam, say goodbye to your cheap Temu crap. That's over and that's okay. I'm okay. If we can't buy cheap crap anymore. It's crap.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of high quality products coming out of Asia. That's the real problem. You can call it crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like what? Like what do you buy?

[Adam Curry]

The Nikon cameras are made in China. This is one of the finest cameras you can buy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you really need it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I already have one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. So at next.

[Adam Curry]

But, but it's not cheap crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but there's a lot of.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. There's a lot of cheap crap that comes out. That looks like it. Oh, this should be fine. And then, and you know, a couple years later, it breaks.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about unnecessary crap? We don't need all the crap. Whether it's cheap or not.

[Adam Curry]

No, the reason we have all this crap is because it's cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

The Chinese have done that. They have. Part of their philosophy and which has always been kind of interesting to me is that they just go into a market and make it a product cheap to the point where nobody can compete. Cause they got subsidies and they got all kinds of. They get cheating ways. They steal intellectual property, which is Trump complained about, and they make a cheap product and then they take over the market completely. Nobody wants to even bother competing with them. And they never go into Monopoly. They never go into the monopolistic mentality. They just keep it cheap. Yeah, it's like total alien to all Western civilization. That's not what you do. What you're supposed to do is you wipe out a market, take it, you now you own the market and now you gouge the customer. That's what we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the America foam figure number one.

[Adam Curry]

Western Western philosophies is British is actually where it really comes from. And. And that's what you do because that's why. That's why you go through the trouble of taking the market over. You go through a lot of effort to get the market to yourself. And then once you get it to yourself, you gouge the Chinese. Never go to the gouging phase.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll tell you, you know, I'm not in the market for a car. I think I probably bought my last car. You know, it can last another 20 years, easy. No, then I'll just need a golf cart or one of those Walmart things. But if I were in the market for a new car, I'd be looking at an American car. Why not? And this is in the past, presence of Bush 1 and 2 and Clinton. I was like, buy America, we're going to buy America. Buy America act and Obama. Buy America.

[Adam Curry]

They good union jobs. He didn't do anything for the unions. They're all on Trump's side now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course they are. But, you know, so what Trump did is he actually did it instead of just making a marketing campaign. Oh, we're going to buy American.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we're going to buy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put a flag on it. It'll sell. No, I'm looking forward to our ingenuity. I'm looking forward to a lot of young people with high school diplomas skipping the indoctrination factory and going into robotics stuff like this.

[Adam Curry]

Welding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well. Oh, man. Welding. Welding. You can make 90 bucks an hour welding. It's unbelievable. You know? And okay, so. I don't know. I feel good about it. I do. And of course, we will never, ever impose a tax on our friends for no agenda show donations, no tariffs. It's reciprocal. We give you value, you accept that without a tariff, we receive value from you. No tariffs. Because we're good people. We're nice people. Now the EU immediately tries to. We'll get him with this one. Check it out. The European Union is sticking to its plans to enforce new laws on social media platforms like X, TikTok and Facebook, despite pressure from the US in an interview with Euronews, European Commission Executive Vice President Hannover Kunin, who oversees security and technology, explains that these laws are vital to protecting democracy from disinformation and market abuses.

[Producer]

Our rules are very fair because they are same rules for everybody who is operating and doing business in the European Union. So we have same rules for the European companies, for American companies, for the Chinese companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Digital Services act, which addresses disinformation, and the Digital Markets act, aimed at ensuring a fair digital economy, have come under significant scrutiny from Donald Trump's prominent adviser, Elon Musk.

[Producer]

You will not resile from implementing DSA.

[Adam Curry]

And DMA where and when needed.

[Producer]

Despite the confrontation with the United States. It's super important for us that we are fully enforcing DMA and dsa because when it comes to DMA there, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want to make sure that the big players, that they are not the dominant.

[Producer]

Players, they are not misusing their market power, that also new innovations can enter.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the markets in the European Union. And DSA is very much for making.

[Producer]

Sure that illegal content and products are taking down and we have safe and democratic fair environment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, it's not up to me, of course, but it. Wouldn't it be just fabulous if X and Facebook or X and Meta and even Google just said, you know what, no more services for you. Go make your own social network, go do your own search. That would be. So can you imagine what a disarray they would be in if that happened?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you think they, you know, if they had the capabilities to do anything, they'd have done it by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the Europeans, Yeah. No, they're kind of pre. Announcing they're going to do. They're going to, they're going to do. They're going to start fighting.

[Adam Curry]

They're not going to do anything. They can't do anything. They haven't got.

[John C. Dvorak]

All they can do is fines, fines, fines, fines. Oh, you, you overstep the bounds. I'm just saying it would be fun to cut them off. Just cut them off, like done.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we, we're not that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. President Curry would shut them off. And turns out, turns out we are pretty right about the true value of TikTok, because it's really just a shop with a social network around it, because who's the new bidder?

[Producer]

Amazon has submitted a bid to buy TikTok. Media reports say the offer to buy the social media app was made to the White House. It comes just days before Saturday's deadline for TikTok's owner ByteDance to divest itself of the app's US operation. CNBC reports that mobile technology company Applovin has also made a bid for TikTok. If there's no deal to buy TikTok before the April 5 deadline, the app again fails faces a potential shutdown of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Its U. S. Operations which would severely hurt the show, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

Well.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would hurt.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that you actually believe that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe what?

[Adam Curry]

That it would hurt the show. I would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I. I have a clip today that. That begs to differ.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you have a tick tock.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do, I do.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have. First of all, I have the t what you just played. I have a kind of another summary just so we can. The TikTok story conundrum. I can read story story conundrum.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should work for Euro news. Top officials in the Trump administration are.

[Adam Curry]

Set to meet today to discuss a.

[John C. Dvorak]

TikTok deal as NPR's Bobby Allen claims. Trump has set Saturday as a sell by date for the video app under federal ban law. It's not noticeable by using the app, but TikTok is technically operating in violation of a law Congress requiring the service to sever ties with China. The Trump administration has promised not to enforce the law while President Trump holds something of a public auction for the hit app. Now President Trump is set to meet with Vice President J.D. vance and other advisors to weigh TikTok's options. Software company Oracle, owned by Trump supporter and billionaire Larry Ellison, appears to be leading the pack of bidders. The New York Times reported Amazon has sent in a last minute TikTok offer, yet one key hurdle remains. Winning the approval of Chinese regulators who may use TikTok as leverage in tariff negotiations. Amazon is the only logical choice. But Amazon will ruin it.

[Adam Curry]

Of course they will.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will ruin it.

[Adam Curry]

But I think Oracle would too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, yeah, because with Oracle they have no business model because Oracle doesn't have a shop to plug into it. And the bizarre thing is when pod show pivoted, we'll make a pivot everybody to Meevio and video that we pitched so hard to tell Amazon you want to have shows built around your shopping. I'll give Bloom that.

[Adam Curry]

Still a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great idea. But If Amazon buys TikTok, will we ever get a clip like this?

[Producer]

You actually don't see homosexual Behavior, like out in nature. Like, you don't see other mammals behaving homosexual. Only humans, because they came up with it in their brain. Brains, really? You've never met a gay dog. You think every dog you've ever met is straight. You've never met a dog that even gave you a vibe. Baby, dogs are almost as gay as dolphins. You need to get it together, my guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need to get it again. I like that. You need to get it together, my guy. Dogs are gay. As gay as dolphins. As gay as dolphins. Have you ever seen. Do you think you've ever had a gay dog? Serious question. I mean, it's possible. I don't know. I've had several dogs in my life. I cannot remember one that I got a vibe from.

[Adam Curry]

Vibe? Yeah, you know, gay vibes at you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Funny gay vibe from my dog.

[Adam Curry]

How come you're not picking up that quarter that's there? Well, I have something. Since you got the tick tock going.

[Producer]

Tik tok.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, don't do.

[Adam Curry]

I have four clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Save some for the end. I'll do two and save. Save two for the end. Do two now. It's called program.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Let's start with the old one, which has been sitting around, which is the arrogant fourth of July girl.

[Producer]

Okay, if you voted for this, do not celebrate the 4th of July. Do not celebrate the 4th of July. I know the left has complicated feelings about the fourth of July. And it's like to be so patriotic and celebrate a country that was built on the backs of colonialism and G side and bigotry, but I dare I say this fourth of July, I say we reclaim patriotism in the name of improving our country and making it great for the first time, hopefully, if we're ever able to, without completely dismantling the country and building a new one, which I really hope is the way to do it. But if you voted for it, if you voted for this, you do not love this country. You do not love the people in it. You do not deserve to rep. Would like to proudly celebrate the country because you're destroying it. It's also, if you're apathetic and haven't said anything about anything that's going on. Also, you shouldn't celebrate the fourth of July. None of you guys should celebrate the fourth of July. You should feel embarrassed. You should know that we're all looking at you a little funny. Like, I know you guys don't know how to read, but read the room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boy, I'll miss them. I'LL miss them when Amazon buys it. This is all going away. It's all going away.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get them in now.

[Adam Curry]

Here. Let's go to the red headed liberal.

[Producer]

This should come as absolutely no surprise, but Donald Trump has has the lowest approval rating of all time with one exception. Do you know what that exception is? Do you know who else had the lowest approval rating that he is coming in second to?

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump?

[Producer]

It's him.

[John C. Dvorak]

His first term.

[Adam Curry]

I knew it.

[Producer]

He was at the lowest approval rating at this point. So he's number one in that regard and he's bringing the rest of the country down. Even people who voted for him who are not die hard Magas can acknowledge that he is not doing right by them. There are so many people in the federal government who are fed up from what they've seen in less than two months so far. We are not even two months in to his current presidency and he is screwing things up every, every single day. And then there's Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this brings me to the Slate Money podcast. This is, you know, financial podcast.

[Adam Curry]

We talk about things that are on Slate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who owns Slate? Is Slate its own thing or is that Washington Post? Wapo, wapo, wapo. So they have a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Slate's always been a left wing operation. So I'm going to listen to what amounts to modern neo communists about money and investment. I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say trans Maoists more because the question here is all of these unhappy liberals, let's call them delusional Dems for purpose of example, where are they going to move to when they leave our sinking ship, this horrible atrocity, this fascistic state, this, this trash heap that Donald Trump has turned just into, into a rat infested piece of crap. Where are they going to move to and why?

[Producer]

So wait, I just want to follow up because now I'm looking at the New York Times article and it's characteristics of places Democrats are more likely to move to. 31% of Democrats were more likely to move to a place within five miles of a Trader Joe's, only 10% of Republicans.

[John C. Dvorak]

It gets much better.

[Producer]

Republicans had no list of a store characteristics. There's where Property tax below 0.5% within 5 miles of a forest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Producer]

As pro shop rural or small town, they're twice as likely to move to a rural or small town than Democrats. Well, another way to look at it is the way the administration is treating marginalized communities is a big factor too. If you have a kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this may be A marginalized community.

[Producer]

Speaking who's trans or you're an immigrant, you may not feel safe in a neighborhood that's super red.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that was definitely like one of the guys I talked to who does foreign residency and foreign passports. He was like, I had nine families with trans kids what contacted him within a week after Trump signed one of his anti trans executive orders. Interesting. A pro woman bill is, according to Slate, an anti trans executive order. That's a good way of putting it. There was just like, we have a kid who is, who has, who's undergoing medical care for which they need medical care. Medical care. You mean puberty blockers and stuff like that. Medical care. Drugs. And they need to take the drugs continuously. And we're very worried that those drugs are not going to be available to us in the United States. We want to make sure that we're living somewhere where those drugs are available.

[Producer]

Well, relatedly, I talked to a guy last night who has HIV and has been treated for it for the long last 15 years. And he said, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get the drugs that I need this time next year. And he said, and if I don't have them, I have two years to live. So it's really existential for a lot of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would it be difficult to get HIV drugs?

[Producer]

Because the Trump administration is cutting funding and programming.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're not just available on health insurance. But it's too expensive.

[Producer]

No, I mean, they're, they're cutting treatment. You know, a lot of the clinics that provide HIV drugs, and particularly at low cost to people are, are having their funding cut off by the administration. And it seems to be, you know, a political issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complete bullcrap. There's no clinics getting their funding cut off.

[Adam Curry]

They just make this stuff up as they go along because they think that's probably what they would be doing if they were on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a interesting projection of some sort. That's an interesting thought. That's an interesting thought. Speaking of drugs, I got some interesting notes from producers, and one of our producers, he says, you know, I was driving along and I'm listening to the report about the Pope and you know, that, that he almost died and they, they had to decide whether to just let him die. And he says that this was a flub, that the news model said that they were going to, they were considering taking him off as adrenochrome. But then she corrected herself.

[Producer]

The critical moment came on February 28th when the Pope had a breathing Crisis. The choice was whether to stop treatment and let him pass or try more aggressive drugs.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that's a. That's an obscure catch, but you might be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it.

[Producer]

Or try more aggressive drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aggressive drugs. Adrenochrome. I'm just saying. But the best one.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that's a good. That's the funniest sketch of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's another one. This is from Salah. Salah says, I'm a truck driver. Just now listening to Sunday's show. In the clip where RFK Jr is talking about downsizing, he talks about merging it into a new unit with the acronym, acronym Aha. Aha. Growing up with my father, who was Arabic, I never learned the language. But you definitely pick up assorted words and definitely the swear words. Aha, exactly how RFK pronounce it is slang in my dad's mostly Egyptian dialect for shit or damn. Listen to how he says it so we can replicate it.

[Producer]

Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within hhs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Success. We're going to eliminate an entire Alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving their core functions by merging them into a new organization called the Administration for a healthy America, or AHA.

[Producer]

The FDA will lose 3500.

[John C. Dvorak]

AHA. AHA. So it's AHA.

[Adam Curry]

Don't say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

AHA. Don't say that in Egypt, people. Aha. Language is a funny thing. Thing. Aha. Baja. Aha. I have some more stuff. Do you want. Is there anything you want to jump in on here? Because I have. I have a couple more series of some kind of interesting stuff I have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got a couple of series. I got the. Well, I can put dead B should be the second half of the show. Why don't you go ahead? I got plenty of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have a new show. Show, and it's called the Mark and Marco show. And if this keeps on going, we need a jingle. It's the Mark and Marco show. It's the Mark and Marco.

[Adam Curry]

Marco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Mark Rutte. Mark Rutte has a show with Marco. You know, Marco, your Secretary of State. Marco. Hello, Marco. Marco, I want to commend you for your tireless diplomacy over the last couple of months. You've the whole world. You travel the whole world. How many points do you have on your. On your frequent flyer miles? I also want to thank you for what you did before as a senator supporting NATO. And we will have a lot to discuss over the coming two days.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine. Yes, I said before President Trump, the team. You broke the deadlock. You started A process of negotiations. Very good. You started it because I know I'm here to get you more money, Marko. With our full support to bring the Ukraine war to a lasting, to a durable peace. In the meantime, the Europeans are stepping up, they're stepping up providing a lot of military support into Ukraine. And we have seen the latest numbers coming in that overall, NATO allies have provided in the third three months over $20 billion in support to Ukraine to make sure they can stay in the fight as long as it continues. This is money that we get here in America. This 20 billion for more bullets. We will also discuss the other threats over the next. Of course, Russia, which is our long term threat. Long term threat, peace or no peace. Long term threat. War is always on the horizon. But also the increase, increasing problems we have with China, of course, North Korea, Iran, and all of these four are getting more and more connected. And these two theaters, getting more and more connected and working intertwined. It's great. But wait, there's more. There will be more to spend. We know that the United States is a staunch ally in NATO. I had a very good meeting with the President versus President Trump. But that commitment comes with an expectation. And the expectation is, is that the European allies and Canada need to spend more. More. Since Trump. 45. The agriculture.

[Adam Curry]

Can you stop for a second?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

For Mark and Marco does. Does this guy. Does Ruta ever stop talking?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he does in a minute. So Rubio is just standing there at a certain way. He's looking down at his shoes. He's like Mark on the floor here. He's looking around, he's getting really bored. And Ruth is just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's. But he's doing his job and Marco knows it. From Canada and Europe has been 700 billion up to now. But when you look at the hundreds of billions of Euros dollars now rolling in, rolling in. The money is rolling in, Margo. This is probably the biggest surge in December defense spending we have seen in Canada and Europe since the Cold War, since the Berlin Wall came down. So that is good news, but still we need to do more. Good news, but still we need to do more. And now this is so good.

[Adam Curry]

And so Marco's a clown.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, we knew that. We knew he was a clown. We've all the Dutch people know he's a clown. And the Dutch people can't believe it. Like, this guy is top dog now on the international stage. So Marc has done his job and now Marco must go for the 5%. We have to go up to 5%. But Marco is a bit flustered. The United States is in NATO. We are an active as we speak right now. The United States is as active in NATO as it has ever been. And some of this hysteria and hyperbole that I see in the global media and some domestic media in the United States about NATO is unique. Warrington. The United States. The President Trump's made clear. This is his new name. President Pump. That's his new name.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like that again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Media in the United States about NATO is unwarranted. The United States of. President Trump's made clear. President Pump.

[Adam Curry]

I think he said Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he did not. No, I listened to it loud and soft.

[Adam Curry]

It's like one of the mishearing I do is very simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, trolls, are you hearing Pump? I'm hearing Pump. The United States about NATO is unwarranted. The United States. The President Trump's made clear. He says pump. Trust me, he says pump.

[Adam Curry]

He says, I could hear the t.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, everyone's hearing pump.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, because you primed him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, does it matter? Then the President Trump's made clear he supports NATO. We're going to remain in NATO. He's made clear. But we want NATO to be stronger. We want NATO to be more viable. And the only way NATO can get stronger and more viable is if our partners, the nation states that comprise this important alliance, have more capability. More capability. Not just the partners and allies, but of advanced economies of rich countries who have the capability to do more. We understand that's a trade off. We have to do it every single year in our country. Yeah. I assure you that we also have domestic needs. We do. But we've prioritized defense because of the role we've played in the world. And we want our partners to do the same. And I understand there's domestic politics after decades of building up vast social safety nets that maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security, but the events of the last few years, full scale ground war in the heart of Europe. Ooh, he's using full scale. You hear that? Full scale invasion, full scale ground war. He's using the term maybe don't want to take away from that and invest more in national security, but the events of the last few years, a full scale ground war in the heart of Europe is a reminder that hard power is still necessary as a deterrent. And so we do want to leave here with an understanding that we are on a pathway, a realistic pathway to every single one of the members Committing and fulfilling a promise to reach up to 5% of spending that includes the United States will have to increase its percentage. Because if threats truly are as dire as I believe they are and the members of this alliance believe they are, then that threat has to be confronted by a full and real commitment to have the capability to confront these things. And then they wrap it up with the true next theater, which is the Arctic. I would not be surprised if the Arctic would be raised today by allies. And this is an issue. And the Arctic, of course, is not only Denmark, the king of Denmark, which of course has Greenland as part of its kingdom, not for long. This is also Iceland. It's Canada. It's the U.S. it is Norway, Finland, Sweden. So we have seven allies which are present in the Arctic. We know that the Chinese are opening sea lanes. We know that the Russians are rearming there. We know. And as I said yesterday, it seems to be a detail, but it is an important detail, is not trivial. And that is the issue of icebreakers. Icebreakers. So more and more the seven Arctic countries are working together to make sure we keep that part of the world safe. And NATO is more and more involved. Yeah, Greenland's really important. It's on deck.

[Adam Curry]

They need icebreakers. Forth. Global warming is going to melt all those, all that ice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't ruin, don't break the spell. Of course, we don't need that global warming. Take care of it all. There's no ice.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go back to domestic. I got two clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is the FDA being gutted food. NPR again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it our buddy?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't have any of our buddy's clips today. I'm sorry, he's on vacation or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have any BBC stuff? Stuff.

[Adam Curry]

And again, no, I decided to. To give it a break. Ah, so there's no b. So you can't play your jingles.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a whole production, never mind the food.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I guarantee. Wait, I guarantee you next show, BBC is going to be featured.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Scott, I need BBC and Scott.

[Adam Curry]

If I can find Scott, I haven't seen him for a while. The Food and Drug Administration, the agency that regulates a lot of the things Americans eat and the medicines we take, is now part of a huge reorganization. The Trump administration announced Thursday that It will cut 20,000 jobs from the Department of Health and Human Services. 3,500 of those are from the FDA. NPR Consumer Health correspondent Yuki Noguchi joins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Us now to talk about this. Good morning, Yuki.

[Producer]

Good morning.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have any specifics about these jobs?

[Producer]

Well, they've given some general indications that they want to trim in HR and it for example. But the FDA didn't respond to my inquiries and so we really don't know the specifics. But Peter Marks, who spearheaded the development of the COVID 19 vaccine at the FDA said he was pushed out last week. And Robert Calif, who's actually a two time FDA commissioner, most recently under Biden, sounded alarms at a press conference conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray, noting that these cuts are on top of other big departures.

[Adam Curry]

A cut of an additional 3,500 people.

[John C. Dvorak]

On top of the arbitrary cuts that have already occurred. Who's this guy? I miss his name. He may be someone you need to pay attention to.

[Producer]

No, I mean most recently under Biden sounded alarms at a press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray noting that the these cuts are on top of other big departures.

[Adam Curry]

A cut of an additional 3,500 people.

[John C. Dvorak]

On top of the arbitrary cuts that.

[Adam Curry]

Have already occurred, in addition to all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The people who are leaving.

[Adam Curry]

It's likely to leave the FDA unable to do its critical work.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is such an old school Washington D.C. cadence kind of who was, who.

[Adam Curry]

Was some guy that was a bureaucrat that was booted out.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like Buckley.

[Adam Curry]

It gets better in the second clip.

[Producer]

And Ada, the critical work he refers to is, you know, safety reviews for things like new drugs, food safety, tobacco vaccines and tobacco safety. New drugs, food safety, tobacco vaccines and devices like, you know, heart pacemakers. You know, a lot of every day.

[John C. Dvorak]

The way she says this is so like, well, you know, you're going to die because, you know, don't have a pacemaker and your drugs won't be safe. And npr.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, hello.

[Producer]

Vaccines and devices like, you know, heart pacemakers. You know, a lot of everyday consumer items are regulated by the fda.

[Adam Curry]

Yuki, what is the White House saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

About how these cuts and re and.

[Adam Curry]

This realignment fits with its priorities?

[Producer]

Yeah, yeah. It's led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The new health and Human Services Secretary. And he says the country's health agencies are too bloated and ineffective at fighting in particular chronic disease. He and others dislike the country's past approach to public health generally. And Peter Marks wrote a bitter resignation letter suggesting Kennedy's cutting back on vaccine efforts because that work doesn't align with Kennedy, Kennedy's personal beliefs. On the other hand, Kennedy has led this campaign to make America healthy again. And that phrase has now got its own acronym, maha, and has a broad following. But Califf says these cuts are not consistent with that Idea.

[Adam Curry]

And it's really striking to me how the rhetoric of, for example, better nutrition, enhanced food safety, innovation in medical products runs contrary to what's being done with the workforce.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people afraid of heights.

[Adam Curry]

Not me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm afraid of widths.

[Producer]

You know, he even quipped that this seems like a good way to make America not healthy again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brother, what a waste of air time.

[Adam Curry]

So I slipped a Stephen Wright in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was good.

[Adam Curry]

Notice I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I laughed at it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I laughed at it.

[Adam Curry]

I was listening to this guy. That's the reason for the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was highbrow. Highbrow tv.

[Adam Curry]

No, I would listen to the clip because this guy's voice, he was either sound like Steve Landisberg who used to be on the TV show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The thing is, no one knows our boomer humor. Boomer humor, humor.

[Adam Curry]

So I found the Stephen Wright clip that fit right in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I mean, people didn't even get my Elmer Fudd. We are. We are. Boomer humor is failing. Falling flat, people.

[Adam Curry]

We have enough of us. Well, that audience, which is small. I say 10% of our audience gets some of this material.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to go for five on the Stephen. Right, Cliff.

[Adam Curry]

Those guys should donate more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is true. This is true. Boomer humor to the rescue. Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Barney Miller was to show with Steve Landisberg and he has that exact same voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's strange. Stretching it, though. Well, on the HHS FDA element op, Major Garrett, CIA Broadcasting Systems, brought on Deborah Birx, who.

[Adam Curry]

Why do they bring these old hacks on that are notorious? They're already proven to be phonies and they've lied to the public and admitted it in public that they're a liar and they bring them back. Or do they have like one Rolodex that's just being passed around and it's like they can't come up with anybody new.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not quite sure, but she. I mean, since she left after Covid, she's been the CEO of a. Of a company. She's been on the board of a couple other companies. I think in one of these clips.

[Adam Curry]

She has to be a spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she was a. A ranking officer in the Navy, so I don't know if she was Naval intelligence. But now she's claiming for the past few years she's been working in rural Texas. So, yes, there is something very odd about her, but she's actually not very negative about RFK Jr. Welcome back. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy.

[Adam Curry]

Junior is planning to lay off at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Least two thirds of the staff at the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health.

[Adam Curry]

It is the federal agency within HHS that attempts to prevent workplace related injuries and illnesses. Those firings are part of the 10,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs that are expected to be cut across the agency. I want to bring in former White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx to evaluate all this. Dr. Birx, I'm so glad you're with us. You have vast experience in the federal government and the federal bureaucracy. You know, know you say that but this is CBS so that can't be a coincidence. How do you read these reductions within hhs? Some people are expressing tremendous alarm. Where do you fall on that spectrum?

[Producer]

Well you know I was in DOD, HHS state and the White House, 41 years in federal service and let me just say my federal service colleagues, I worked with a lot of dedicated hard working people. But what has happened over the years that you're not hearing about, you're hearing about fraud, waste and abuse. But there's something else that has been going on and that's a lot of duplication among the HHS agencies. And so when Covid hit you had things that were ASPR was doing that also CDC was doing and it caused a lot of confusion. I think what they're trying to do and which I hope they are trying to do is bring back fundamentals, stop the duplication, get people remission focused and hold people accountable to improvements in Americans health. Because we're spending more, we have more personnel, about 17% increase in just the last four years yet the health of America has not improved. And so I think we have to get back to really understanding what is the job of HHS and that's the health and human services is of the American people. And I hope that's what is going to come back in this focus.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was surprised when I heard that. I'm like okay, so she's kind of saying it's good. Asper by the way is the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response which I can't even remember hearing that that acronym during COVID do you know? So here's the.

[Adam Curry]

She comes on with this very kind of semi positive approach right after Musk visited the CIA.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now there you go. So here's the follow up question. If these cuts, these cuts, are they good? As you read the headlines, as you.

[Adam Curry]

Talk to your colleagues still in, do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You think that the process that is going on is moving in that direction or is kind of pell mell and Sort of. Well, let's just cut as big a.

[Adam Curry]

Number as we can think of.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it? Pell mell.

[Adam Curry]

Pell mell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't it Pall Mall or.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, pell mell. It means a chaotic. Oh, but it's an old boomer phrase. 75% of the listeners know what it means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pell mell. I'm thinking Paul Mall. Those. The Pall Mall reds. Man, those were hardcore.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't heard.

[Producer]

Being pretty deliberate.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry that I haven't heard the term pell mell for decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, decades. They know their audience, don't they? Is moving in that direction or is kind of pell mell and sort of of. Well, let's just cut as big a.

[Adam Curry]

Number as we can think of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe it's. They're trying to bring back all these cool, cool phrases, you know, just to sound intellectual. It's a kind of pell mell. I'm gonna start using it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, don't start using that. Sounds dumb.

[John C. Dvorak]

This Trump administration is completely pell mell.

[Producer]

You know, I see the work at HHS being pretty deliberative. The fact that they put Asper back with the cdc. So that cdc, who is also working on disease control.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she. Something is up with Asper. She, you know, why is she so talking about Asper this. And no one. No one talks about Asper. But she.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that must be the spook part of the agency.

[Producer]

Gotta be doing the same thing as for. So that we're ready for the next pandemic. Because when you have two agencies thinking they're both in charge, it caused a lot of conflict, confusion around that table of trying to get the best job of COVID for the American people. And so what I'm hoping comes out of this is a much more horizontal structure where the NIH. I just say, being at CDC, there are 150 different databases, none of which talk to each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's totally talking must stuff here. Oh, the databases don't talk to each other.

[Producer]

Okay, so there's an injury database, there's a flu database. Americans are whole people. So I think figuring out how do we get more horizontal data so we can find where things are going well and learn from them. And the things that aren't going well in specific counties, particularly rural counties, who are well, well behind in life expectancy compared to urban counties, are we doing something to address that and then holding the federal government to outcomes? The job of the federal government is not to analyze data. The job of the federal government is to use Data to find solutions to actually improve outcomes and impacts.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. How does that even make any sense? You don't analyze it. You use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

How do you use it without analyzing it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't analyze it. Just use it. Asper is the secretary's principal adviser on matters related to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies. They are responsible for coordinating interagency activities between hhs.

[Adam Curry]

They're the ones who made the Lyme's disease.

[John C. Dvorak]

Other federal departments, agencies for Dietrich. There you go. That look.

[Adam Curry]

Manhattan, plum Island.

[John C. Dvorak]

In July 2019, the Blue Ribbon study panel on biodefense announced a new idea to improve US national security against bioterrorism. A corporate quote, Manhattan Project for biodefense. What could possibly.

[Adam Curry]

It's called MRNA vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could possibly go wrong? Wow. And we've. We did not hear of this. At least, I can't remember.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's brought it to the fore for a reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So now we've heard of it. So now it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's in play. You know, now it's in play.

[Adam Curry]

It's in play. For some reason, she. And this was the point of her being on CBS Evening News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see what she says in this last clip about the head of the FDA. Dr. Brooks, I want to ask you about something going on at FDA, because Peter Marks, who, as you know, was the FDA's head of biologics, resigned. And in his resignation letter, he said, biologics is vaccines. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Who leads the Department of Health and Human Services, is subservient. He seeks subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.

[Adam Curry]

That's a direct quote related to vaccines and their effectiveness.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the Wall Street Journal recently editorialized that Mr. Kennedy rightly criticized the Biden administration's Covid response for ignoring science. But he won't restore public confidence if he feeds skepticism about vaccines that have saved countless lives. The Wall Street Journal editorial board writes, our worst fears about Mr. Kennedy are coming true. Do you share any of those anxieties?

[Producer]

Well, what I've seen on the ground, because I've been working the last four years in rural Texas, is really him coming out and saying, I believe in the MMR vaccine. It is effective. I want people to get it. He supported CDC to go in there and support increased access to vaccination. Federal dollars went to increasing vaccination in that area. So, you know, you have to look at people's actions and really try to understand what is being said. And what is being actually done on the ground. And I think what is being done on the ground in West Texas is consistent with improving vaccination rates.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, boy. There's a lot to unpack in that commentary. One, the Wall Street Journal is anti Kennedy. Why is that? And that's Rupert Murdoch operation or Murdoch operation. The second thing is she's in rural Texas and then coincidentally, a measles outbreak, as it were, breaks out where she, you know, she's in the. In the vicinity. From the sounds of it, she's definitely in rural Texas and she's aware of this. This situation in the few people with the measles there and the one phony one that supposedly died from measles. Now, this is very suspect.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. See these. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

She's defending Kennedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So Kennedy's obviously going to do nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Dawn O'Connell is the. I guess she was the assistant secretary for Asper. No, it looks like she's the.

[Adam Curry]

Is there a German operation called Asperger?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see. Office of Public. She looks like a real spook, by the way, this Dawn O'Connell. Hmm. Well, there's definitely something up here. See, Asper. HHS. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was given. It was rolled out for a reason. To let us know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What's going on. Give us a backgrounder. And I don't know what we're supposed to. What. What this. What we can do with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Let's see who the boss is. John Knox. Wait, he's the principal deputy. Where's the. I guess they don't have. Don't they have a. They only have Kennedy. No. Well, I guess so. John Knox. Where's he from? Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. I don't know, but something's in play there with Asper. I. I agree with you. And. And Burke's all of a sudden. Oh, I've been in. In rural these years. No, this.

[Adam Curry]

Four years.

[John C. Dvorak]

This makes no sense. I'm so confused.

[Adam Curry]

No, it makes no sense. You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very confused.

[Adam Curry]

Another aspect of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very confused about her. I'm not sure what she's doing. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right doing something. Yeah. Well, let's see. We have a. Interesting donation section segment.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see the length of some of those notes?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Especially the guy who insists on the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's at least five of them that need to be truncated. I mean, it just needs to be truncated.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's one guy. He insists that the note be Read.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, the one that's five pages long?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not that long. How about Musk and Doge goes to the CIA?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's do that then. Then we can deal with the notes. As good.

[Producer]

Billionaire Elon Musk has shared his Doge team's cost cutting plans with officials at the CIA. The agency has already taken steps to fire employees who worked on diversity issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

A federal judge has ordered the CIA.

[Producer]

To reconsider those job cuts, citing constitutional, statutory and regulatory concerns.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how does that fit in?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. And I don't know what the judge has got to do with CIA hiring practices, but, okay, these judges are. Something's got to happen with these judges.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, isn't President Trump firing the judges?

[Adam Curry]

No, he can't fire these judges. These are judges that are not fireable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, unfiable.

[Adam Curry]

He has to either impeach them, which no way is going to. It's not going to happen because you can't get the votes in the Senate.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Or you're going to. Or the Supreme Court's going to have to tell them, hey, you can't be doing what you're doing because this is not, you know, you're disappointed District guy doing national stuff. And the Supreme Court's slow on the draw on this. Why aren't they already involved?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know. No one seems to be paying attention to any of that. The news is not. Is not the news. Oh, I discovered something. The news is not the news. I thought this was rather interesting, though. For those who are so concerned about Elon Musk the Nazi, and Donald Trump the Nazi, and the Republicans, the Nazi and the Texans, the Nazis. We're all Nazis. How about some actual Nazi info? Argentina's President Javier Milei says that he is declassifying government documents on how Nazi war criminals escaped Europe and resettled in South America following World War II. It's thought as many as 5,000 Nazis.

[Adam Curry]

Evaded arrest in Argentina.

[John C. Dvorak]

The most prominent was Adolf Eichmann, seen here during his trial in Israel in 1961. Eichmann was one of the architects of the Holocaust. Israeli agents captured him and took him to Jerusalem, where he was tried and sentenced to death. Well, I'm joined now by the man known as the last Nazi hunter. Dr. Efrem Zurov has played a key role in helping to bring Nazi and fascist war criminals to trial. Dr. Ziroff, it's good to have you.

[Adam Curry]

Back on the program.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you expecting to find in these files that are being made public in Argentina. I assume that we'll be able to get many, many details regarding the identity of the Nazis who fled to Argentina and the identities of the people who made it possible for them. It will help them. I. I'm going to tell you, this could be bigger than the Epstein files. When we really find out who the Nazis were that were escaped and who helped them, it's going to open up an interesting can of worms.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, especially if Hitler's on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of Israel, the Prime Minister is breaking the law.

[Producer]

In a defiant gesture towards the International Criminal Court, Benjamin Netanyahu is visiting Hungary. It will be his first trip to the European Union since an arrest warrant was issued against him. The Israeli Prime Minister is wanted for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip. Prime Minister Viktor Orban extended the invitation in November last year, quickly flouting the ICC ruling.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have no choice but to defy this decision. And I will invite the Israeli Prime.

[Adam Curry]

Minister, Mr. Netanyahu, to visit Hungary, where.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will assure him that if he comes, that the International Criminal Court's ruling.

[Adam Curry]

Will have no effect in Hungary and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That we will not follow its terms.

[Producer]

As a signatory of the icc, Hungary is formally obliged to take Netanyahu into custody. But for the next four days, Orban is expected to welcome him into Budapest with open arms. And it is not that. The only time they have put their friendship first. In 2017, when Orban was accused of anti Semitism towards the American Jewish billionaire George Soros, the Israeli PM came to his rescue. In July last year, Budapest vetoed an EU statement that condemned the Knesset's rejection of a Palestinian state. And the Hungarian leader has unconditionally supported Israel's offensive in Gaza, which has claimed more than 50,000 lives, according to Gaza authorities.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what is he doing in. In Hungary?

[Adam Curry]

That's what I'd like to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is he doing there?

[Adam Curry]

There's got to be some. Something going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. It's going to happen there. And why there?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe he wants to ship some. Some Palestinians over there. Israel is slowly tightening its grip on the Gaza Strip. Defense Minister Israel Katz said the army's operation operation was expanding to seize large areas that would be incorporated into what he called Israeli security zones, without saying how much territory would be seized. But he also said that Palestinians would have to be evacuated. Katz also called on the enclave's residents to expel Hamas and return hostages. Roughly a week after this, rare footage showed Palestinians protesting against the militant Group. Group. But representatives of the families of hostages accused the Israeli government of sacrificing the hostages for the sake of territorial gains. Katz's announcement comes a week after he warned that the Israeli military would operate with full force in the territory. The ceasefire, which came to an end on March 18, is now a distant memory for Palestinians living in Gaza. At daybreak, Gaza health officials said at least 15 people, including children. Children were killed in airstrikes on homes in Khan Yunis and the Nusayerat refugee camp. The UN has also warned that stockpiles of flour are running out in Gaza after Israel closed crossings to humanitarian aid. The UN has urged Israel to reopen its crossings to humanitarian aid to avert a food crisis. What is. This is like. So maybe he's checking out a new place in Hungary where he's going to flee to. What is going on? People hate. People hate Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're definitely not doing. I don't know what the issue is there, but that reminds me of another European story that we're going to mention.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to move it right along.

[Adam Curry]

Unless you want to keep talking about Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I was thinking of some witty banter like, what is going on?

[Adam Curry]

I can't think of anything witty. I'm not witty today. But let's go with the real strange story is the arrest of Marine Le Pen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Even her. Even other party leaders are saying this was bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got the clip here. It's Eva. Eva.

[Producer]

Okay, so the lawfare being used against right wing politicians in Europe is being taken to a whole new level.

[Adam Curry]

This is your buddy. This is your buddy Eva, whose last name I can never pronounce. A Dutch girl who, oh, flouting a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bit, flooding a brook.

[Adam Curry]

Flat. A flat of whatever.

[Producer]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

She's very pretty and she's, she's very erudite and she kind of like, listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

She kind of dropped off the radar. I don't. She got married.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I noticed that. But she's back with a. With a. With a vengeance with this Marine Le Pen story.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I could give her a little bit of advice, I'd say cut your hair a little bit shorter. It's. It, it detracts from her obvious deep knowledge of affairs.

[Producer]

Okay, so the law.

[Adam Curry]

Put a ponytail up. That would be fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. I'm just thinking from a television standpoint, you know, this just.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, yeah, she is distractingly pretty. And the hair doesn't help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Producer]

Okay, so the law. Fair being used against right wing politicians in Europe is being Taken to a whole new level. Marine Le Pen, the leader of Russell national, the populist right wing party in France, has just been sentenced to four years in jail, of which two suspended, and has been barred from partaking in French politics for the next five years. That means that she's been barred from running against Macron for the position of the President of France. She's been convicted for allegedly embezzling European funds, misusing European funds for her national fraction of the party instead of the European fraction, direction of the party, which I dare to bet money on the fact that if any judicial system in any European country would launch an investigation into left wing parties to see if they were doing that, that let's say 80% of them would be found guilty of the same thing. Because I used to work in a European Parliament and trust me, this is something that I think happens a lot more than they want you to believe. And of course we will never know that because they don't launch investigations into left, left wing parties because the whole aim of this is to crush the right wing in Europe because we're growing too fast. And so the system, the cabal, needs to come down on us through another way. And what do they do? Lawfare? They're banning us, they're banning our parties, they're banning politicians from running. It's. They're convicting us of hate speech and hate crimes. That's how they do it. That's a new strategy. And you know, like, think about it for a second. Embezzlement of European funds. Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission is under investigation for corruption because she closed a 50, no, 35 billion euro deal with the CEO of Pfizer via text message. And we still don't have those text messages, but she is the president of the European Commission and Marine Le Pen is not allowed to run as a president of France. If that is not true to your politics, politics, I don't know what is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, who's this we she's talking about? Is she a political member of a party? Is she. This is far right, She's. Well, speaking of that, here's a. This is, I think this is who this is from France, Von Katra. They give a little more detail on this story.

[Producer]

Arriving at the national rally headquarters, Jardin Bardela was tight lipped. But Marine Le Pen's protege took to X to post that French democracy was executed on Monday with the unjust verdict. As president of the party, Valdellena looks set to become its de facto candidate for the 2027 election. After a court barred Le Pen from running for office for five years with immediate effect for embezzlement, the National Rally and right wing allies have accused the court of overreach against a candidate whom polls show is among the frontrunners.

[Adam Curry]

The court is stating its political will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not its judicial or legal will, but its political will. It's the first time in 40 or 50 years that I've seen this written down in black and white, and that's what's absolutely unbelievable.

[Producer]

But political rivals such as communist Fabier Roussel posted that justice was justice and must be the same for everyone, reminding that Le Pen herself regularly called for a firmer justice system. Jean Luc Miranchon and his far left France Enbout party, though, seemed less comfortable with the verdict, emphasizing that they would rather fight the national rally at the ballot box than in court. Outside of France, Le Pen's far right allies rallied around her, including Hungary's Viktor Orban, who declared I am marine in support, and the Netherlands Geert Velders, who said he still believed in her becoming president. The Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, meanwhile, accused more and more European capitals of violating democratic norms. Le Pen has a long history of political and financial support from Moscow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, you have to throw that in.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Financed by Putin. You know, ever since the the earthquake in Myanmar, formerly known as Burma. From Burma to Bangkok, which would have been a much better headline line, the white Christian nationalist eschatological podcasts have gotten all heated up and there is a growing concern, or a growing suspicion, I should say, that the Antichrist might be Emmanuel Macron.

[Adam Curry]

Married to a dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it doesn't help his case. Let's put it the that way.

[Adam Curry]

Married to the Antichrist is Macro.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it.

[Adam Curry]

That's hilarious bull crap, by the way. And somebody did point out, one of our producers pointed out there is a giant fault that runs right through Burma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is? Yes, I saw.

[Adam Curry]

He sent us a fault map linked to fault maps and yeah, those are all the big faults. He doesn't even. And that's just the giant faults. The little faults are all over the place. And that wasn't on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's face it, the biggest fault is us, brother. We're the faul. We are the fault. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the C in AM can say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Rappy. The Air Subs Noir names nights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello, trolls. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. Here we go, here we go. We're about on track. 1940. 1949 is our troll count for today.

[Adam Curry]

So that's pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. Well, it's about the average. Just. Just a tad above the average. And these trolls are listening@trollroom IO, the modern podcast apps, @podcast apps.com. speaking of which, our. Our conversation about the Podfather Awards has. Has. Has got legs. People are doing AI. Scaramanga's doing AI videos of us hosting the Podfather Awards. We've gotten a lot of. Not the greatest suggestion, but people are coming in with suggestions. I've had people already saying, I want tickets. Take my money. This. This. There's something here, John.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Was a great idea, everybody. When you hear those words, you know. You know nothing's going to happen. Exit Strateg.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true. I've been wanting to do this for 10 years, so I'm right on track. I'm. The timing is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

The timing is perfect. You're.

[Adam Curry]

You're 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're about. Yes. Ever since you were 63. It's unbelievable. I can't believe we're just. We're just about.

[Producer]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I do have a birthday coming up, and there's also a big meetup in Albany. Not Albany, but Oakland at the. At the pizza place for my birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's nice.

[Adam Curry]

Invite everybody there. Oh, that's should be on the list for today's meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it is. I think it is. Is. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Violetas. Violetas.

[John C. Dvorak]

We run no agenda, value for value, no tariffs. We give you the value. We give it. Just send it out to you. You can do whatever you want with it. You can copy the value. You can throw it around. You can make it your own and pretend that you made up all these great things and this great information that we gave you just. You can be really smart at the water cooler at work or in the help club, wherever you hang out with people. And when you send value back to us, we do not charge you any tariffs. Not at all. We just do one for one, value for value. Time, talent, or treasure. And we. You okay? Sound like you fell over.

[Adam Curry]

No, I just rolled my chair over. What appeared to be kind of a lump in the rug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And I made a thunking sound, which then transferred onto the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Theo looking for his Hampshire? Wow.

[Adam Curry]

That took a little too long. Media come to mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

We love what our artists do. The artists I have to say are getting better. I see the artists also using AI more as a tool now instead of just throwing stuff in there and hoping something great comes out, which usually doesn't. We have more and more artists who are understanding how to use it, which appears to still be. The only thing AI is really good at is generating stuff, generating images, generating video, generating spam messages. I was talking to my buddy Dave Jones and he said he works in 100 firm CPA firm, he says. And he does the administration. He says this is the worst year ever with phishing attacks from spam. And AI is really generating a lot of this and it's at scale.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's interesting. That makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Email is the worst. I was like, yeah, that's interesting. So AI can help make email worse, but can't seem to fix it. Or at least no one has tried that. The one thing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that would be a nice product.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a product I would be interested in. So we want to thank our artists for episode 1751. We titled that Talking Toilet. And we like this one. We. We had some ideas for improvement, but it was the. The piece by Go Fox and it was the. Is this the. We call them the babushka dolls. What do you call them?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, babushka. The nesting dolls. Technically what they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you had a Twitter doll nesting Russian doll? Nesting Russian dolls, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have any? I have a whole collection of them. Personally.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember having them when I was a kid. I know we had. I bet my sister still has them.

[Adam Curry]

I bought them in Russia. When I was in Russia, I bought them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how many were there? Because I think we had five that fit in and that.

[Adam Curry]

I have a niner. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Niner. That's what she said. Dvorak's got a niner. It's huge. It's beautiful. It was a good piece. It was the Twitter to X to grok. Cute little. Cute little faces. We thought it would have been even better if there was a little Elon that could fit inside the grock. If I recall, there's always.

[Adam Curry]

And in all these nesting dolls, there's always one little solid piece. It's a little dinky thing that always gets lost give you of these things to a kid. Somehow that little one is gone or.

[John C. Dvorak]

The dog's chewing on it. I mean, it's something.

[Adam Curry]

The little one and the little one. A little bitty musk would have been perfect. And it could have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Also the balance of the piece, it could have been shifted to the left a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Just a tad even. I agree perfectly. And the Karin Dvorak color of the letters was not great.

[Adam Curry]

Even could have been more contrasty or had an outline. Black outline helps, but that's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's just. I mean, we're just giving you a little minor points. It was good. There were other things we looked at. You like the. Take our money. The Canadian. That mad Canadian with cash.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did like the mad Canadian holding a bunch of cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

You use the. The angry baby stomping around the angry baby, too. Yeah, you like angry babies. You like the angry baby. That was capitalist agenda. And Triple J did a deal, no deal with the Taliban. But we didn't think anyone would really get that one.

[Adam Curry]

No one's gonna get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one's gonna get that. Triple J Alphabet soup. Aha. Kind of done. I think that was it, really. That's pretty much the things that we thought were good enough. These are all beautiful. We appreciate it. And I think every single one of them gets you used in the chapters on the modern podcast app. Give it a try podcastapps.com try out podverse. Try out podcast guru. Try out Fountain. I don't think you'll be disappointed. They're really good. And they use the podcast index, which I might point out, according to a recent survey, is the number one index for all podcasts. Above Spotify, above Apple, above YouTube. Number one. Foam finger. Number one. You know why? Because we don't take stuff out. It's uncancellable. When you're on the podcast index, this is where you say, hey, that's great. Congratulations.

[Adam Curry]

That's fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

So sincere. Let's thank our supporters who we like to call our.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have a no agenda plug on that page? Because that's a lot of people looking at.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. I don't. No, no, I don't.

[Adam Curry]

Wouldn't hurt, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. I want to thank the people who sent us treasure in the form value in the form of treasure. We thank every single person who sends us money, $50 or above. And in this case, in this particular segment, we thank people who have sent us $200 above more. And that makes you not only an associate executive producer, which is a credit is real Hollywood credit, can use it anywhere. Credits are accepted, including IMDb.com we will also read your note, or most of it, depending on how long it is. If you come in with $300 or above, well, bam, you're an executive producer. And we will read Your note. And it's always interesting to see that the higher the amount, the shorter the note. It's. It's some kind of weird voodoo. It always. It always works that way. The lower the number, the longer the note. What do you think that is?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I see what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know you. Now you see it. So we'll have to truncate some of it. We're gonna start off with Brent Walker in Springfield, Oregon, who comes in. Oh, there. She asked for something. I didn't. I didn't see. Yes, for de douching right off the.

[Adam Curry]

Bat, you've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then he says, I'd like a fractal jingle. Fractal jingle, man. That's. I have the fractal jingle here. Then he also asked for an Obama. You might die. Where's my Obama? You might die. And I'd like to. Oh, he's going in for a Commodore ship. He'd like to be known as Commodore Dubs. And he says, thank you for your courage. It's a frat. Frat. You might die. Have not heard the fractal jingle in many years.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a long time. Thanks, Brand. Good one.

[Adam Curry]

JLGS LLC in Rockport, Texas. Sorry for being a douche for the longest time. Please let me know. Let me know. Adam. Let me know. Adam. What the name of the dentist you went to to get that surgery done on your teeth? My dad. Dad has the same problems for years here in Texas and has been. And has been to count. I'm sorry. Been to countless doctors with no cure. Also to all the aviators that work on them, on the teeth and drive them or own them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it's the teeth.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he said. Look us up. We are in aircraft parts and tooling sales company down in Rockport, Texas, near the Corpus Christ Christie plus parts. Or I know, Pius parts. P I U S. It's the name of my company. We have some cirrus stuff. Cirrus? What is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the kind of airplane I fly. It's the plastic airplane with the parachute. Cirrus.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, those things. Okay. Mostly king air, a citation, Lear and Challenger stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

The salty air is really good for these parts down here. So hurry up. Yeah, he's being cynical.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's being very cynical.

[Adam Curry]

Saltier is bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mitch Ponsford is my periodontist name. P O N S F O R D. He's in Bernie, Texas. Mitch Ponsford. Tell him Adam sank you for 10% off your first extraction. And thank you, JLGs. Then we have Cerventus in Topsham. May 38008. Nice. Nice. I see you there with your boob. Quick correction for John. The correct phrase in retail is the customer is always right in matters of taste.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I sent him. This is bull crap. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

All you have to do is go to the wiki page and they document the whole thing. Goes way back. And somebody, somebody some years ago put this in matters of taste in at the last minute. And it got around. It got around virally as bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Because people are sending me. I've gotten a lot of.

[Adam Curry]

Is that go to the wiki page on the customer is always right. It has a history.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I mean, how so? We can't take wiki as any truth. Is that what you're saying?

[Adam Curry]

The wiki page documents this and then refers to Snopes, who also documents this as bullshit. I don't know how many times I have to say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm. Let me ask Grok, because Grok will.

[Adam Curry]

Grok will probably get it right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. The customer is always right is actually a shortened version of a longer sentiment. The full idea behind it was more nuanced. It was popularized in the early 20th century by retailers like Harry Gordon, Gordon Selfridge from Selfridges, John Wanamaker and Marshall Field, who use phrases like the customers always write in matters of taste. No, I'm just telling. Okay, well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

That's slop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, now you're talking my language. It's slop. He goes on to say, anyone who's worked with the public will understand that the customer can't always be right in all things because the customer are pricks. Anyways, this is now my fourth annual birthday donation. Happy birthday, John. Please add me Cerventus. My daughter aila, who's turning 18, both on the 5th, and niece Leona, who's turning 7 on the 4th. On the birthday list for this episode. They're on there. Covid woke me up. And your relentless deconstruction has been more a constant caffeine drip that wakes. That keeps waking me up more and more and more and more. Just without the jitters. Now, I need something that's the midpoint between Nazi propaganda and Zionist propaganda, since you guys are just. Just a couple of Zionist boomer shills.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love you guys. May you never find an exit strategy. Sir Ventas from Topsum, Maine, and he wants a Rogan donation. Trump, I'm going to come and do the climate change.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to come due to climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Tracy Sullivan in Fowler, Indiana. Fowler comes in with 350 bucks and she has a note which I can click to. I have it open, I believe, right here. Dear John and Adam, it's been a while since our last. She has very pretty printing in a cart. It's almost like comic. It's a comic style. It's been a while since. Don't you think? Yeah, it's been a while since our last donation. We finally got out of Illinois and moved to a much better place place. Arrow pointing to Indiana with a little heart. We plan on checking out the indie meetups as soon as we can. Well, there's plenty of them and they're packed to the gills. This donation also gets me to damehood. Please dub me Dame Sally Bananas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay, Sally Bananas.

[Adam Curry]

Sally Bananas. I hope the happy puppy on the. I hope the happy puppy on the card gives you good donation Karma. Little smiley face. Thank you and God bless Dame Sally bananas. Tracy Sullivan. $350. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Tracy. And we'll see you on the podium later. Sir Amzie is in New Rockford, North Dakota, 333.33. And he says, oh, please credit this donation to my dad, Preston Meyer. Am I doing that right here? Yes, Preston Meyer.

[Adam Curry]

Where's that?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's at the very top of the note. It's probably not.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, I can't see because the note's so damn big that it's blocked. There it is. Okay, I see.

[John C. Dvorak]

You probably can't see that on. On February 22nd. No, wait. On February 22nd I saw exactly 333 emails in my box. Lo and behold, the 333 email was a newsletter from no Agenda, which usually end up in my spam folder. I knew I had to donate. This is true. On 1750, Adam said that he isn't part of a religion and that organized religion is, quote, a problem. I was raised going to various Protestant churches. My mom is a pastor. In 2018 I was confirmed a Lutheran. I have a good amount of experience with Protestantism. In my experience, there was always something missing with Protestantism. Even when reading a verse or passage, it seemed like Protestants would intentionally miss the main message of a passage to fit their beliefs. Depending on the denomination of how liberal conservative they were. There are multiple examples of Protestants not taking the words of Jesus literally or explaining them away to me. Nothing. I'm not sure what you're saying here yet, but let's Read on. Two years ago I met my now wife who led me to the Catholic Church. I was confirmed in December. I found my way to Catholicism through the 2000 year History of the Church. The evidence of miracles and insights into my own life preached continues to strengthen my faith along with knowing that Jorge Mario Bergoglio Francis is not the Pope. He's an imposter and a liar. So is he agreeing with me here? I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

Void zero is definitely on that bandwagon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam and John, Christians of no agenda. I implore you to look deep into the history of the Church. Mass of the Ages is a good docu series for understanding the reasons that people leave the Catholic Church Church. I also recommend Michael Knowles. There are countless conversation conversion stories on YouTube to listen to. Look up Ann Barnhart's YouTube channel and the Barnhart podcast understand why Jorge Borogoglio is the anti Pope. God bless you both. Thank you for your courage. I'm praying for you. Oh, thank you Preston. I was not quite sure where you went with the note, but I think.

[Adam Curry]

I brought up anti Pope once on the show and got nothing but grief.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Hey listen, this is donation note. It's not you or me brother. We're just saying it.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Richard in Burbank, California comes in with the same amount 33333 and he writes a short note. He's in Hiroshima. Actually Japan. He's not in Burbank, but that's where he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it Hiroshima or Hiroshima?

[Adam Curry]

I think both ways. I've heard it's pronounced Hiroshima and Hiroshima.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And the Japanese party. I was shocked. Shocked he says to discover that I had not donated to no agenda for almost two years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks you for creating. Thank you for creating this outstanding product. Sir Richard of Burbank north of the 5. So he just came in with with the 333 and a short note.

[John C. Dvorak]

We appreciate that Marty is an Alton in. Looks like Sweden. I mean Switzerland. Ch. Switzerland.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Switzerland. Switzerland.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Marty said Marty. I'm sorry, it should be Marty. Let's drop. Hey, let's drop 333.33 from Marty in Olton, a beautiful town in the midst of the north of Switzerland. I appreciate the groundwork being laid in the psychological warfare arsenal for from the in this moment insecurity management to hyperfora any motive conjugation please let's extend this list. Bertrand Russell was quite the guy. John direct questions about Minecraft to me. Adam has my email address. I annoyed him in recent months with telling him that I'VE heard John John's Bohemian Grove story multiple times on the show. Why? I don't understand. Why do people email me about stuff that you do?

[Adam Curry]

Because that's exactly the way the world's supposed to be. Adamurry.com for all complaints.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, this is not good. This is not good. This is not good. And he wants this.

[Adam Curry]

He's celebrating. He's celebrating 40th birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but I'm looking for the chant. The Donate no Agenda. How does that go again?

[Adam Curry]

It's called Donate, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know how many. Do you know how many there are of donate? It was donate. It was like a chant, wasn't it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Donate to no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does it end?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember. All I remember is it's hypnotic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very hypnotic. But I. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

She's thinking, donate. Donate. That one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there. There is a different one. That's a different one. Anyway, celebrating 40 revolutions around the sun on 4 8. Gregorian donation chant for jingles. Maybe it's under Gregorian Chance.

[Adam Curry]

I guarantee that's not what it's called.

[John C. Dvorak]

No donate. Well, you're just gonna get a different donut. I can't help you. I'll give you the. The donate John's. Sorry, you've got.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's Gregorian.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's Harmony. 1 donate to no Agenda. If I knew the rest of the. The.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can sing it yourself, but you can't. So Chap Williams is up. He's in Edmond, Oklahoma. And this is the best one. This came in as a check. 333. 33. There's no note, no nothing. So he gets a double up. Karma.

[Producer]

You've got double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you mad? Are you mad today? Is it?

[Adam Curry]

I'm angry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you really? You seem a little bit on edge.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just the eq.

[John C. Dvorak]

Calipigous Colin. He's in Willow Spring, North Carolina. 331.25. And this donation is in honor of the birth of their newest human resource. Sweet baby girl, Chloe Susanna, born on 3. 31. 25. Hence the donation. Please add her to the birthday list. And to all the other slaves to get my nation who are of childbearing age. We made another baby. Now the ball is in your half court. See, there's someone who listens and knows how it works.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

No jingles, no karma. Thanks for what you do. Says Callipidious Colin in Dub Spring, North Carolina. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Is that a guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Callipedia's calling. I would think so.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why you would use that phrase. It's description, Sir Tim in Louisville, Texas at 28743273 donation plus fees for the old man's birthday. Listen to these boomers and check your recurring donations. This is his note to the public out there. In other words, listen to the boomers. That would include me and it would include Adam. He says mine were cut off. By the way, his recurring donation was cut off months ago. Ago. And the guilt is eating me alive. Sir Tim of the Tarrant Swamplands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Where's Tarrant?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

In Texas, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea.

[Adam Curry]

Now here's the note you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is so it is from Kieran Zwerner in Brevard. Brevard. Brevard, North Carolina. Rodux 222.22 starts off by saying, I can hear you groaning about the length of this note already. But a huge part of what makes this show so important is the feedback loop between you and the producers. It makes us all better. I hope you consider this a contribution of time, talent and treasure. It's theft of time.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's just a robbery.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been sitting on this note since this donation and note since February, waiting to close on a house and then just being a tightwad douchebag. So some of this refers to old but still highly relevant news. And then he's talking about the Laugh Tale. He's talking about Michio Kaku. Then he has something to say about our analysis on climate change. Clips. Biodiversity. Brother. There's no way we can read this. There's just no way.

[Adam Curry]

It's a ten pager.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is super.

[Adam Curry]

Super. Even goes on to GLP1.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's it. After all, I should add that I love the show since I think producer age is of interest to you. I'll also mention that we are both 28. I started listening in December of 2021 and promptly hit my wife in the mouth. We came for Adam. We stayed for John. Makes me feel special. My parents are a bit tougher than her, but I'm trying anyway. We rarely miss the show since even while living off the grid in the cloud forest in Ecuador for six months in 2023, we climb mountains to get service and download the latest show. Oh, okay. That is very cool. Keep up the good work.

[Adam Curry]

What does he do?

[John C. Dvorak]

When they were living in Ecuador, they climbed up a mountain to get service to download the episode.

[Adam Curry]

Oh wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's dedication right there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So thank you very much. We appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

It should have been at the top of that. Should have. That's. That's the lead. Yes, they would call it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Kiernan asks for they're eating the dogs. Followed by don't be so flippant, man. Man. Now this is interesting. I went looking for don't be so Flippant. Do you know that that never was a jingle? Don't be so flippant.

[Adam Curry]

I never heard it as a jingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. But I clipped it just for him because, you know, the long note and I knew we weren't going to read it. Annie says P.S. it was great to hear Mimi on the Old Fashioned On Purpose podcast. She's so cool. Did Mimi do the podcast?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she does a lot of podcasts that promote the know the Too Many Eggs book, which is also available for [e-mail] they're eating the dog.

[Producer]

How dare you be so flippant, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad I got that one. I gotta play that one one more time.

[Adam Curry]

That's Anonymous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[Producer]

How dare you be so flippant, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got a good karma. Go Karma.

[Producer]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymous comes in. I get. I'm lucky here. 22220 that came in as a check. So there's no jingles, no karma involved and no note. So give them double up, double up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma coming your way. Anonymous.

[Producer]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's Sean homan from Noblesville, Indiana to 1911. 1911 is the number because he says don't be a juice bag. Visit stealtharms.net and design your own 1911 platypus. Today it takes double stack Glock Magic Jesus is king.

[Adam Curry]

No should put a stealth. Okay. Stealth arms. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Stealtharms.net CE Martin in Clarksville, Indiana 21060 Dear John and Adam, Please accept my donation. No agenda in the amount of 21060 cobbled together from 2025 book royalties and a little bit of my paltry VA disability pay to round things out. I'm making this donation as a way to say thank you for your content. From 2012 to roughly 2019, I wrote and self published on Amazon, Apple Nook, Smashwords, and several other platforms. 15 novels that's a Little More productive than me and a number of shorter works, primarily in the men's adventure, supernatural thriller genre. Genre. I took a break from writing in 2020 after a series of unfortunate incidents, including a car wreck, falling down some stairs, treatment and surgery for my daughter's scoliosis fox vid 19 etc. Foved. I'm sorry, mispronounced F A U x vid fovet instead of COVID Get it? I've considered returning to the writing craft several times, but work and my deteriorating health always seems to block my pants somehow. Without any advertising or promotion, my books have started selling again in 2025 without any promotion or effort on my part. It's not a lot so by the way, you use the word promotion too many times. You made a mistake. I hate it when that happens. It's not a lot so far, but enough to make a contribution to the greatest podcast in the universe. Thank you for your twice weekly shows which drown out my military grade tinnitus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tinnitus. Tinnitus.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's yes, I know it's pronounced tinnitus, but I pronounce it tinnitus. That's wrong, but it's still the same word and take my mind off my chronic pain while I'm working on my day job. And for more about my writing or my never ending battles with the va, check out my author's blog Blog Troglo dad trog T R o G Lodad troglodad.info as it rises from the ashes of abandonment like the mighty Phoenix. This week, assuming I can remember how to update the DNS brother in Christ.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good promotion. Good promotion there could have been better. Coming in with $204.03 is Gigawatt Coffee Roasters from Bensonville, Illinois. That's our buddy Eli the coffee guy. He says, can I get a jobs? Karma for the incredible new team member we just hired, John. They're growing. This is Proof American Coffee Company right there in Bensonville, Illinois. Who knows where they get the beans from, but it's an American company. Buy American from Gigawatt Coffee Roast. Growing. They got a team member. A huge thank you to all the producers in Gitmo Nation who fuel their day with Gigawatt. You've helped us grow and that means jobs saved or created? Created. Support the American dream and try our delicious, delicious, fresh roasted coffee today. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20 off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs. Okay, Gina a Pataris in FV, North Carolina. Fuquay Varina. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Fouquet.

[Adam Curry]

200 bucks. She's Sunday, March 30th please see my note sent in [e-mail] and there's a little parentheses here. Did not receive that came. That's Jay's commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't receive anything either.

[Adam Curry]

[e-mail] so you. Which is the right address? It should have been received.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Resend, resend, resend, resend.

[Adam Curry]

And we'll read it later.

[John C. Dvorak]

$200. There she is. Linda Lou Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado. We all know and love her. Happy birthday, John. Jobs Karma. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, the duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs. Well, I hate to tell you this, but you're going to have to read the next one because it takes out my spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's really not okay. I mean, you need a better spreadsheet, Mark.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You like reading long notes in the tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do not.

[Adam Curry]

And you're a better reader than I am a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Mark.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're a good reader. You're very talented in that regard. So I always will defer the long notes to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flattery will get you everywhere, Mark.

[Adam Curry]

Blow it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in Glendale, California. $200. Longtime listener almost every episode for the past four years. And Douchebag here. In the spirit of value for value. Though, I did leave a shout out to no Agenda on my company's website for nearly all of 2024, garnering a few hundred thousand impressions. Well, that's good. Frankly, I would have donated, but I'm a very broke entrepreneur pouring the past two years of pretty much everything I have into building a new kind of dating app, which finally launches the day this episode airs. And now, at last, I'll have an excuse to start donating properly. It's called dataing. Dataing. D A T A I N G. Dataing. And I'm pretty proud of it. With help from David Nair, an author of SPSS and core contributor to Cluster Analysis. Oh, they've done something.

[Adam Curry]

AI Cluster Analysis. We're hoping there's some cluster effing going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. We built a data driven dating platform that matches people based on interests, personalities, and lifestyles. Basically, it's a smart data driven matchmaker designed to connect people authentically and meaningfully. Even to no Agenda listeners. This sounds a lot like the plot to Bridget Jones Died Diary. Tell. Tell it about your dream girl and it'll go find her. No prompts, no bios, no pay to play. Our system rates every person on a constantly updating 1200 trait scale, writes your bio and crafts custom descriptions for why every match may or may not work, all of which adapts with users over time. And this is just the Bootstrap version one. Oh my God. You don't even have to show for the date. It does it for you. I know you. I know you guys aren't totally sold on AI, Correct. But this will be a good test because there's a lot of incels in the no agenda community as I received a lot of notes and this better work. Not I got a lot of notes from incels. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

After my incel presentation of the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. In fact I have a series of clips if we have black Black pills. Yeah, I know you guys aren't totally sold on AI, but I think it's probably good we teach it how to bring people together to balance out the tearing people limb from limb. Plus if we can do it while repopulating the earth again, it seems like a worthwhile endeavor. Anyways, I've spent Anyways, I've spent too long typing this and I have way too much to do before tomorrow, but I would love to someday hear about a no agenda love story made possible by this note. Thankful for all you do ladies and gentlemen. Go try out Data ing the Data ing app and let me know. Let Adam Curry know how it works out for you.

[Adam Curry]

Adamacurry.com yes please. Last on our list is Crypto cockney in Bedford UK 200 bucks. The British are coming all caps to liberate you two boomers. Hopefully the associate of Executive Producer donation will keep Crypto Grouch John happy and fully stocked on vintage Costco wine. Plus Jesus approved beautiful hair care products for your good self. Badanks for all your valuetainment. I couldn't live without it four more years. Please play a bitcoin crypto jingle if you have one, or create one. Plus your hilarious trump as a Nazi Putin on the style Putin on the style Putin on the Ritz is what it it is and fu China love and good karma to all your listeners.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're saying that all hell is going to break loose and you're going to need a bitcoin. Donald loves Nazis. Donald loves Nazis. CNN say that he's KKK and he shouts sig hail with it. Wow. If you're blue and you don't know where there's fake news, why don't you get your Gitmo fix.

[Adam Curry]

Putin on the reds. China is asshole.

[Producer]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was a very nice sequence of executive and associate executive producers. I do want to congratulate Carolyn Blake Blaney. She, and we all know Carolyn Blaney. She and her husband have pooped out a child. Or she has, actually. She gave birth to the first child December 6, 2024, and have. Why is she. I guess she's been away for a while. And a beautiful, healthy baby girl named Evelyn Dorothy Carter. A month prior to giving birth, I became a lawful permanent resident of the United States. My girl was born Ohio. Anchor baby, baby. Fantastic. I love my daughter. And being a mother, I feel so blessed every day. God is good. And we say congratulations. Welcome to Gitmo Nation. Evelyn Dorothy Carter. Too bad you were not named after Adam and John, but that's how it goes. I would like to thank Aaron Stager. I was speaking at the Leadership Gillespie county yesterday here in Fredericksburg, and he came up to me. Well, I knew it was a shill because it was like a media panel. And he had a question. Hey, could you tell me about value for value? Okay. He came up and he pressed a crisp $100 bill in my hand. I just want to thank him for that. That was very nice and unexpected. And an emergency jobs karma for our producer, Sir Arrow. Knight of the knots and King of the Boostigrams. For the first time in his 35 year professional career, he was laid off from his job yesterday. From that has bet the farm on AI. So we need to give him a Jobs karma Emergency Jobs karma for nights always. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you to our executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate everything you do for us every single episode. These credits are good for your entire lifetime. You can put them anyway. Your LinkedIn, your bio, your red resume, which you might get from Linda Lupatkin. Or just go to IMDb.com and see over a thousand executive and associate executive producers of the no Agenda show and join their ranks. We'll be thanking people $50 and above in a little bit. And remember, you can always set up a recurring donation if you think you have one. Check again. They do seem to expire. Go to noagendadonations.com thank you again for supporting us for 1752. Our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth order.

[Producer]

How dare you be so flippant, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up.

[Producer]

Sleep.

[John C. Dvorak]

So inside.

[Adam Curry]

I have an ask Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you do? I wasn't prepared for an Ask Adam.

[Adam Curry]

You can play a quick jingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If you can't find it, it's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I, I used to have these the ready, but I don't know what happened.

[Producer]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what happened. Something, something happens for some reason. It's okay. Here we go. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Question go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, there we go.

[Adam Curry]

That one question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm going to play the clip and I'm going to ask you a question about the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because there's an. I consider there's an ill. What I would call an illogical, tragic moment is the Ask Adam clip.

[Producer]

The General Services Administration announced it is significantly scaling back government run childcare services. WAMU's Jackson Sinnenberg has the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up until this month, the GSA ran an office of child care services that oversaw a network of 82 government run services across the US including Puerto Rico. Some are housed in federal office buildings, especially those in D.C. others are independent.

[Adam Curry]

Businesses supported by the government that give.

[John C. Dvorak]

Preferential admission to the children of federal workers. Those child care centers will now face closure or significantly higher operating costs. Okay, what was the question?

[Adam Curry]

The question will be if they're having their money taken away, why is there going to be significantly higher operating costs? That's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It makes no sense.

[Adam Curry]

They're having their money taken away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was that from? That's very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

It was from WAMU in Washington D.C. it's a local PBS station.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that explains it.

[Adam Curry]

But I just. What? This is like the same thing where they say, oh, you know, it generates 50. They talk about all day, you're taking a billion dollars away from the Park Service. Do you realize that that $1 billion generates $55 billion in revenue? What if you get 55 billion in revenue once you recycle some of it? I mean we hear these illogic complaints constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what the media does. I mean they just, they just take the press release and read it. I don't think they're doing any work anymore.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think they've stopped doing work sometimes back.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I have a series of clips. Do we have time? I'm wondering if I should keep it for Sunday. Maybe I'll keep this for Sunday.

[Adam Curry]

But what's the series of clip about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Morning Joe. So it was in relation to the incels black pill. And I did get a number of very interesting notes from one of our producers who is an incel and he explains why I got notes from from teachers saying yes, you know I we try to do ballroom dance class to to get boys and girls comfortable with each other in a and it is.

[Adam Curry]

Ballroom we try to do is different than forcing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Correct. It is. No he says forcing. I think he actually mentioned forcing. Well and at what age he is a didn't say just teach.

[Adam Curry]

It makes a difference when you're forced to dance with a girl in in the second grade. Yeah that first, second and third grade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It has a different impact on you than eighth grade.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got a note from Matt saying we used to have junior assembly A junior assembly. That's something similar. Then he says now we're raising a young man here. He's a good head on his shoulders thanks to his mom but the battle is real and every day it's the battle is real and so and I can keep these for Sunday if you want but the Morning Joe Morning Joe had a piece on how Gen Z men are more religious than Gen Z women and that this is there's a trend here a trend of young men discovering Christianity and I thought it was interesting because it was on morning Joke if I can say that that enough.

[Adam Curry]

Would you like to hear you said it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you like to hear this report?

[Adam Curry]

Well I I think so because you've.

[John C. Dvorak]

Played some some Christian clips some white Christian nationalist clips in the past two shows so I figure I would reciprocate.

[Adam Curry]

None that I can recall but sure yes you did.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean we we.

[Adam Curry]

Yes we like to where your voice.

[Producer]

Changed now to a remarkable shift happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a remarkable shift happening remarks remarkable.

[Producer]

Shift Jesus is trending American public life ever since the baby boomer generation surveys have shown women are more religious than men but not anymore New surveys show Gen Z men are more likely to claim religious affiliation and even attend church than their female counterparts. Let's bring in NBC News correspondent and NBC News now daily anchor Morgan Radford for a closer look at this trend.

[John C. Dvorak]

She the new anchor There's a new anchor at NBC daily.

[Adam Curry]

I don't watch the network and what.

[Producer]

It means even politically Morgan make a great question it has a lot great question political implications especially if you sort of look down in the decades to come but it's a trend that America's religious leaders have been paying attention to but it's also something that a growing number of political groups are tracking since this shift toward religion is happening at the very same time there were also same more young men lean conservative on a number of social issues. It's a shift that has Huge implications, as we mentioned, for the future of both parties.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, huge implications for politics.

[Adam Curry]

A, this is a bullcrap story that's designed to explain away the fact that younger Gen Z men, men are voting Republican and they're eschewing the Democrats and their stupidities and coming in conservative and there's a big stink about it. So now what they're doing here is they're blaming it on this, those horrible Christians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you seen this report?

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm just telling you that's what I believe is going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's have a listen.

[Producer]

20 year old Owen Gerard has changed.

[Adam Curry]

I was on the steps of the Florida State Capitol, you know, advocating for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Climate activism, the Green New Deal, all.

[Adam Curry]

That stuff, a lot.

[Producer]

And then now, and I'm a staunch conservative, a conservative voter and a conservative Christian. What changed?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait a minute. He was all in on our team. He switched.

[Adam Curry]

This is, this is a, an example. This would be MSNBC's gambit of association. They use this trick. So there's something going on that we don't like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And we know that our audience hates Christians. They're a bunch of atheists. And so we're gonna, we're going to make the associations that, and, and do the linkage that doesn't exist. It exists with one guy or this guy or that guy. But whatever it is, we're going to generalize from that and make everybody look like a bunch of boneheads.

[John C. Dvorak]

All young men are Christians, John. Are you kidding me? They're all Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

Well, really, it was the faith journey.

[John C. Dvorak]

That really fundamentally transformed my political views.

[Producer]

For the first time in modern American history, more young men than women are claiming religious affiliation, a gender gap of 7%. While men under 30 who lean Republican have also outpaced Democrats. For the first time in more than a decade, you get aligned with other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Men that are like, hey, I actually.

[Adam Curry]

Have the same views as you. And it's like, it's okay to have that view.

[Producer]

Here at the Faith Forward Pastor Summit in Gainesville, Georgia, hosted by an arm of the conservative activist group Turning Point usa. The call for young conservative men.

[Adam Curry]

We're called to be biblical and we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Called to be political, by the way. If you want, if you want to make Christians look crazy, get one of those guys. We're called every man and we're called to be political. Called to be biblical and biblical.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's exactly what's going on here. This is a propaganda piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great.

[Adam Curry]

We're called to be political.

[Producer]

It's finding A bigger audience than ever before.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had a burning desire in my heart, a heavenly desire that wasn't being.

[Adam Curry]

Filled by anything of. Of this. Of this world.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so they bring in one of these groups, and they're the Promise Keepers.

[Producer]

For Shane Winnings, who leads the national men's ministry group Promise Keepers.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of man are you?

[Producer]

It's all part of a bigger strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's very intentional, and I think the messaging from the administration was very intentional.

[Producer]

The Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, you see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See this. The president. The president's determines culture, the ministry. Yeah. It was to win those kind of people who. And, you know, the young people, the men who want to be men. If you fear culture, then you don't fear God.

[Producer]

Men who want to or can be convinced to return to what he calls traditional values.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we're seeing in this erosion where.

[Adam Curry]

Now anyone can be a family.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, two men can be a family and they can adopt kids. They hate gays, which I think is problematic. Two women could be a family. They can adopt kids. Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore.

[Producer]

What. What threat is that to you if those two men love each other?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you can point statistically to our society being eroded from within, because two men automatically, radically create an unstable household. Because that is not God's design for a family.

[Producer]

And you think that hurts America?

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely.

[Producer]

Which extends to policy issues that he believes are fundamentally against God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Now we're getting into the nitty. This. I. I mean, you're absolutely right. I think it backfires what they're trying to do here. Let's hit wokeness.

[Producer]

When we talk about the intertwining of faith and politics, A lot of the messaging here is about erratic, eradicating. Wokeness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Producer]

What does that mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think wokeness, you know, is really anything that comes against God's design.

[Adam Curry]

It's this progressive mentality. Please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wokeness is like dei wokenesses anything that's against God. Yes. 100.

[Producer]

How so?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, it. It is everything it claims to be against. You know, DEI is discriminatory. It is racist, deep. DEI says, what's your skin color? And who do you sleep with? You're getting to the front of the line.

[Producer]

Can I push back on that, please? My interpretation of DEI and affirmative action is essentially saying, not that you must promote me because I'm black, but you are not allowed to discriminate against me.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's already. That's already a part of our constitution and already a part of our laws. DEI has been used to push people to the front of the line who don't belong there.

[Producer]

If someone calls some points and says that's a DEI hire, I think that's wrong, too. Do you think they're pointing at you or you think they're pointing at me?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I'll tell you what, though. I think it's wrong to make a snap judgment like that is not godly.

[Producer]

Because it assumes that the only people who can have good things are straight white men.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's a problem. I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

You have your Bible.

[John C. Dvorak]

So at Promise Keeper.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. I love what kind of reporter gets into an argument.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I push back on that, please?

[Adam Curry]

With someone they're interviewing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they're supposed to be, you know, hearing the point of view and then maybe finding somebody else with a different point of view. You do all this kind of thing, you're supposed to be fairly neutral. But then to get into an argument as though you're the. The contra. The contradiction to whatever this guy say is. Is bad journalism.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. Well, I'm going to.

[Adam Curry]

But it's what they're pushing today. This is what a lot of. You got to do that. You got to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to go back to the studio now. Let's talk about the politics of all this. Obviously, we were just talking to the head of the DNC about what happened in November, why Democrats may have lost men central to that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not just talking about white men.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm talking about men, young men in particular. So what are the political implications of that report you just showed us?

[Producer]

I'm actually glad that you said not just white men, because this coalition that is bubbling up is actually becoming more inclusive racially, which has been a little bit to watch in the data. But what economists say is that if you actually look, if women are leaving the church, where are these far right men going to meet these women? If you're not meeting at the church, you're not meeting at the bar. What they're saying this is actually could have implications romantically. It could have implications on the birth rate because you can't pair. If women are ideologically so far left and you're moving so far right, which means you're actually sort of compromising or putting at risk the very traditional family that you're trying to see.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I found this to be an interesting stretch. It's like if you join the church, you're actually going to become an incel. Because there's no women there no women in the church.

[Adam Curry]

That'll be the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way. Right. And so now they bring in two fun terms. I always use the term sparkle clergy or rainbow church, but they have new ones.

[Producer]

Well, I'm reading a lot about women not getting married. Married. Opting not to get married. Not finding. We've talked about partner. Yep. I'm curious. These young men, are they going to the church first and then finding the conservative political messaging, or are they seeking it out? They're being indoctrinated and finding it in churches. It's a great question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sort of go yell another great question.

[Producer]

Like the chicken or the egg? And the answer is both. And what surprised me is that the pastors we spoke to said that the more strident their message is against the mainstream. Right. We already know that basically two thirds of the country believes that same sex marriage is okay, abortion is okay, that transgender rights should be part of the tapestry of this country. But they're saying the more strident they are against those things, they can use that as a recruitment tool. They said, we don't believe in gummy bear Jesus or candy Christianity. And they said, I love gummy bear Jesus never forgot. Got sort of the analogy of one pastor. He said, look, you're welcome to come break bread with us and have food at the table, but don't think we're changing the menu. The menu was set millennia ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And then the final clip is about the loneliness and regressionism.

[Producer]

You know, it to me, as we were having the same conversation around the loneliness epidemic of men, young men especially, it sounds like that the church is a place where people are finding community.

[Adam Curry]

And that Community.

[Producer]

Community, potentially could be. I don't. I mean, the only term I can think of is radicalizing them around this particular.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go, there you go. Radicalize them.

[Producer]

Ideology as it relates to the nuclear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Family and what millennials. And I thought it was interesting. It's crazy stuff they're doing there.

[Producer]

I don't think millennia had you in mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or you or me. Did they know you were black? That's what I want to know. No, but the community.

[Producer]

The community question. Yeah, Look, I think they are saying it's a place that they can find community, but it's what that community looks like now. And they're saying they want to revert back to this. This traditional community, but they say that progress was such a bad word.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[Producer]

They don't want to see progress. So the question is, is it traditional?

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't hear anyone say they don't want to See progress.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't hear that either. Where's she getting that from? Or does need to be regressed from her lesbian friends?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Producer]

They don't want to see progress. So the question is, is it is traditional even enough or does it need to be regressive community? And the, the opposite side of it is you look at a lot of these progression progressive Christians who say, look, if you're denying someone inclusion in your church because of DEI or some such thing, are you reflecting the fact that God created us all in his.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting. No one said they reject anyone because.

[Producer]

He created us in his image. He created all of us and all of our multiplicities. So it's a, it's an interesting conversation. Remarkable piece and remarkable conversation.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, remarkable my ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remarkable, my ass. Yeah, they don't know what to do with it. Well, they do actually, like, oh, just make it to Trump. Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that brings us to the last two TikTok clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm so happy. Let's go with the tick tock clips.

[Adam Curry]

Start with Kathy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kathy it is.

[Producer]

I just had dinner with a friend that works for Catholic Charities of Dallas, Texas. Okay, stick with me here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Producer]

This is gonna disturb all of you. They just got a letter from the Texas top of the people in Washington telling them that they would not get money to help their charitable organization feed people if they did not give up all of the names, addresses and information of all of the El Salvadorian. El Salvadorian. I can't even do it. I can't even talk about it because it makes me want to cry. She said she is so torn, but it came down from up above that they have to give them up. They have to give up all of their information if they want the money to help everyone. How is this what we are living in? How is this what is happening? I can't I laughing earlier today, but I'm finishing out the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fucking crying over social and under educated.

[Adam Curry]

They want to get a hold of the Ms. 13 people and they won't be able to feed them.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the Catholic charities that she's talking about is an immigrant resettlement organization scam. It's a scam. Yeah. And I like how there's a subtext there of it's coming from up above. Like God is doing it nice above.

[Adam Curry]

It, but we know it. It's talking. He's coming from Trump. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Not. Not God. All right, and here we have our Wisconsin nut, Elon with the cheese on his head. No, another one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey there.

[Producer]

So Elon Musk is getting charged with a possible felony in the state of Wisconsin for bribery charges. And if he comes to the state of Wisconsin, he will be arrested. Also, Mike Johnson was just arrested.

[Adam Curry]

It's coming to Ravel.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Producer]

I said that I thought eventually Elon Musk was leaving and wasn't sure if he was being deported, but it seemed like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just thought I would let you guys know.

[Producer]

Blessings to you. Make it a great day. And I am one more day proud to be from the state of Wisconsin.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Well, I have to say this is no nuttier than Hillary Clinton is already at Gitmo. And. And I'll admit, quantum dots. Quantum dots on the ballots and the grid is going down. Oh, ma'am, social media is ruining.

[Adam Curry]

Johnson's already been arrested and Elon, if he shows up in Wisconsin. We saw him in Wisconsin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is going to be arrested if he shows up. It's unbelievable. This is worse than anything. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous. Still on the way, we have three dynamite brand new end of show mixes you will not want to miss. We have Tips of the Day because I also have a Tip of the day today, which I'm excited to share. It's not always John. Sometimes it's also me. And we have meetups galore. So if John will hop to it, we've got a nice list of well wishes for your 73rd birthday. And by the way, John, in addition, advance happy birthday.

[Adam Curry]

Well, thank you very much. And we're going to start off with some people that helped us here. And starting with Joan. Joan Gasparoni in isle of Palms, South Carolina. 133. Hakon Andreessen Haakon. What do you think? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hakon.

[Adam Curry]

105.35. That's a birthday donation for his niece Tilda, who turned two. Geek rolling in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. 10101. Matthew Toy in Carnegie, Pennsylvania. 100 and he's donating for all the free entertainment. Curtis Thomas. 100 he's from Parts Unknown. He has a long note about how great we are. Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're great.

[Adam Curry]

We appreciate that. Baron laticin in Houston, Texas. 100 John Robinet. 100. Kellen Prince in Hollywood, Florida. 100 Sir F A N Beck in Vista, California. 100 Then we got to Kevin McLaughlin, 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover of boobs. Concord, North Carolina. Baron. And now we have birthday. These are all happy birthday, John. Donations I'm going to skip. I don't know why we don't have cities in most of these. Because it comes right off the spreadsheets. This happens with PayPal once in a while. I don't know what causes it, but we're going to thank everyone in order, starting with Baron Victor and then Dame Flying Fish. They both wish me a happy birthday. Ered A Darien, William Bullock, Marjorie Santelli. James borders. Also mentions four more years. There's Kevin McLaughlin again. 75, 68. He's the Archduke Luna. Thank you, Kevin. Patricia Kamak K M A C K. What a great name. Kamak. Irma and Anita. And they're in Holland and they say Happy birthday from Irma and Anita. Love the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, thanks.

[Adam Curry]

We found out about before COVID hit. Well, you found out the right time.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

David Schwind. Schwind Dingle. Followed by Dave Schwanebeck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Schwindinger and Schwanebeck.

[Adam Curry]

Schwindinger and Schwanebeck. And then Devin O'Connell. And he has a birthday himself on the 9th. Paolo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paolo.

[Adam Curry]

Porco. Porco. Porco. Porco. I'm not sure. Serfina, Ryan Zukowski, Brandon Blemmer, Baron Netes. Ellen. She says she does have a Montgomery, Alabama that did come through. Wow. 73 revolutions JCD. No wonder you're so grouchy. Loves your. But then she says love your baronet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ellen wants house buying karma. Oh, it's David Sousa who says no one. Wait, where is the Brendan Flemmer?

[Adam Curry]

Says she loves my inside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brendan Flemmer was a grouch.

[Adam Curry]

Brendan Flemmer. She's the one. Oh, he. Brendan's a he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he said that. And he's the one. Okay. Baronet Tess Ellen in Montgomery, Alabama. That's. You're right. That's different. She needs some house buying karma. We'll give you that at the end. David Sue's in Turlock, California. Souza. Oh, you Baron Anonymous.

[John C. Dvorak]

David Souza says he donated 133 last year for the first time. Was never deduced.

[Adam Curry]

Do that now you've been deduced.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, what an opportunity. This is your ham radio birthday. This is your 73. It's your ham. It's your ham birthday.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, that's. That's. I'll make a note of that in the next newsletter. 73 is everybody. Everybody. You got to item 49 and you finally dawned on you. Great. I didn't dawn on Me. So you got me beat. Just realized this is the way we do it. Yeah, Baron. Oh, we missed out on that idea. Baron. Anonymous cop. Our buddy there in 73 bucks. He's on the peninsula. Joshua Collins. Sir David French. Baron of bits, bites and bourbon. Sir Dan in Canton, Georgia. Dame Rita. There she is. She's in Sparks, Nevada.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Or Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, you crapped out for a moment.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Rita and Tony Helfs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah. Dame Rita's in Nevada. Nevada. And Tony Helfs is in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Fort Worth, where all the money is. Joe Drake in Ferndown, uk. Consider this interesting. This is a show multiplier. But this is $70. This has got nothing to do with anything. My birthday. That was all the birthday hellos. There's 30 of them. Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Joe Drake wanted to de douche.

[Producer]

You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Onward with Ethan Moss in Roanoke, Texas. Chatty Hewitt in Folsom, California. Oh, you know what it is?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting. I'll tell you after the show. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait.

[Adam Curry]

Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. Ethan Moss. I said that. In Roanoke, Texas. Going backwards. Brian Furley. I said that. 55. 10 for him. Dame Tracy and Sir Kane. Break in St. George, Louisiana. 55. 510. Erry Matson in Ventura. 5420. Heather Harper in Lubbock. 5333. John Bassano in Madison, Alabama. 5272. Jennifer Williams and Davy Crockett National Park. Is that what that is? Texas?

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that was the Alamo National Forest. National forest.

[Adam Curry]

National Forest. Okay. 52C72. James Burroughs in Landrum, South Carolina.

[John C. Dvorak]

FEMA region.

[Adam Curry]

You've been deduced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also house buying karma at the end for you.

[Adam Curry]

And now we go to $50 donors. Name and location. Scott McCarty and Lodi. Jordan Tierney in Oral, South Dakota. Tony Lang in Castle Pines, Colorado. Foster Birch in New York City. Matt Frazee in St. John's Florida. Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan. Rebecca H A U G H. Which is ha. I think ha ha ha. In Memphis, Tennessee. James Sharametta. We haven't heard from him for a while. Is Nabinok, N.Y. leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon. She says, I wish I could give more each month. You're a huge part of my life. You give accurate information so we can function in these crazy times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Carlos Estrada in Spring, Texas. And Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco. These are the people that helped us produce and get show 1752 off the ground. Want to thank each and every one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good group house Karm. Buying karma for two people.

[Producer]

Here you've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you all so much. We do not mention people under under $50 so that there's a spot where you can always be anonymous. However, a reminder once again, we do have those recurring donations and they help a lot. You can set them up any amount, any frequency by going to noagendadonations.com and again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers who helped us produce episode 1752 wishes his niece Tilda, very happy birthday. Now she celebrated her second birthday on March 24th. Caliphateous. Colin, happy birthday to their newest human resource, Chloe Susanna. Happy birth, he says born March 21, 2025. Jules Wicker turns 44 today. Happy birthday, Jules. John is turned. Oh, John, that's you. You turned 73 on April 5th. That'll be. What is that? Saturday. Happy birthday. John Cervantes wishes a niche. Leona a very Happy birthday. Turn seven tomorrow. Cervantes shares your birthday, John on April 5th. Cervantes also wishes a daughter, Isla a happy 18th on John's birthday. Again, it's a popular day. Marty turns 40 on the 8th and Devin O'Connell celebrates on the 9th. We say happy birthday to all of these birthday boys and girls from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We have two Commodores to welcome into the Commodore ship, which includes a very handsome certificate that you can hang on the wall. It says, really? It's quite a nice piece of work. You can see it and find out [e-mail] Check out the Commodore tab. So we would like to congratulate Commodore Dubs and Commodore JLGS llc. Both of you Commodores of no agenda. Commodores arriving and go to no agendarings.com give us an address. We'll be sure to take care of you. Then we have a dame. One dame with a cool name. A dame with a cool name. Got a blade here? Blade.

[Adam Curry]

I got the dame blade.

[John C. Dvorak]

The dame blade. Oh, beautiful Tracy Sullivan. Step on up, Tracy. Thanks to your support of the no Agenda show in the amount of $1000 or more. Anybody can do it. Even people on the night or dame layaway can become a knight or a dame. And you are there. And I hereby am very proud to pronounce KB As Dame Sally Bananas. For you. We've got some hookers and ren. Hookers and. And blow Rent boys and Chardonnay. That may be more for you. We also have Harlots and Hal Doll Redheads and Rise. We got Ruben Esque Women and Rose Gayson and Sake Vodka, Vanilla Bongan Urban Sparkling Cider and Escorts. We've got Breast Milk and Pablum Ginger Ale and Gerbils or Always the Mutton and the Meadow. And you, Dame Sally Bananas, can go to noagendaring.com there is your ring waiting for you. We need to have your ring size. Just use the handy ring sizing guide and send that to us along with a place where you can send your ring. It's a signet ring, so you also get some wax with that. You can imprint your ITM logo and hit him in the mouth in Latin on your important correspondence. And as always, it also comes with a certificate of auto authenticity. Thank you for supporting the show. Value for Value. No Agenda Donations dot com. Anybody can support us in some small way. You can also do that. That recurring donation. No Agenda donations dot com. We love the meetups. We love the meetup reports. There's going to be a cool meetup. Actually, there's a couple of cool meetups on John's birthday. But first we have a report from a very small meetup. But it doesn't matter. A report is a report from the Not For Fools meetup in Knoxville in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

No Agenda Nation. This is Commodore Baron Bones checking in from Barley's. At the Knoxville meetup, only two people showed up, me and someone else.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll hand off the microphone here just a moment, but next time we'll do.

[Adam Curry]

A better job of announcing this, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Could you get me a jingle says, hey is Adam Curry and the Noble Jingle song?

[Adam Curry]

Make sure all of you Knoxville producers can make it out. Kind of a lonely night.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a disco jockey. That's right.

[Producer]

Got to do it on a school.

[Adam Curry]

Night because I'm busy on the weekends in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam, John, I want to thank you for your courage. This is Commodore Hogfather coming to you live from Knoxville, Tennessee. Wow, two Commodores. And they didn't have anybody else. Yes, you people missed out in Knoxville. And of course you could have had your server in there add your servers in your meetup reports. They love it, the establishments love it, and it's fun to listen to. There's a meetup taking place right now, the Know Agenda New York City meetup at the Perfect Pint west in New York City. If you're in New York, go hang out with them. Also, the Northern Wake Public Slave Gathering starts in about an hour from now. Hoppy endings in Raleigh, N.C. on Saturday in Japan. Osaka, Japan. Sir Bill of Osaka has organized the Osaka Castle Cherry Blossom viewing and amygdala shrinking meetup at 1:33 Japan time. And there it is. The Northern Silicon Valley JCD Birthday Extravaganza Bash 3:33pm Pacific at Pizzeria Violeta Violeta in Oakland, California. Go say hi to John, ladies. Make sure you kiss him. He loves it. That's it for our meetups. Many more on the list. You can find them [e-mail] you can search by list, search by area. And thank you all for the producers who organize these. They are producer organized but it's a great way to get some protection because that's what you get with that connection. They are your first responders in emergency. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, I recommend you start one yourself. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days you wanna.

[Producer]

Be where you wanna.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we always like to do, we like to select an end of show ISO which is really nothing more than just propagating the the truth that artificial intelligence is only good for ISOs. There's no other reason to use it. Here's my real ISO.

[Producer]

I call him a spooky.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all I got. And I'm sure yours are much better.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's you could have done.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm not even trying. I'm not even trying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm going to stop doing these if you stop trying.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a lozenge in your mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm chewing on it now to get rid of it. Okay, let's start with the ISO. This is better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Producer]

That was better than a Dirty Sanchez.

[John C. Dvorak]

How can I compare? Compete. I can't compete. And what? What? You have a dirty mind. John C. Devorak 73 and still going strong with this dirty mind. That was a good one. What's the next?

[Adam Curry]

This is fine, dad Gummet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another fine presentation. No, that doesn't beat the Dirty Sanchez.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but you can't use it. Try this one. The last one's so good.

[Producer]

That was so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Producer]

That was better than a Dirty Sanchez.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the one, man. That's the one that's a winner. There's. This is no two ways about it. Hey, it is time now for John illustrious tip of the day and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I do my.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, do yours first and I'll follow up.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were talking about toilet seats on a pre. On several we have talked about toilet scenes quite a bit on the show. As it turns out, we shouldn't. Well, there is a, a toilet seat that is a electronic electronic bidet toilet seat. It does the full, the full wash the full everything you want. It has the heated seat and it doesn't look dorky. It actually looks pretty cool. It is the Washlet C5 round electronic bidet toilet seat. And I.

[Adam Curry]

Let me get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wash washlets the Washlet W A S h l e c 5 round electronic bidet toilet seats and it will break the bank. Now I have Ivan.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not a whole toy. It's just a seat.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just the seat. Yes, but it's not like some dorky, you know, it looks like a normal seat. It has a remote control.

[Adam Curry]

Supposed to look like it has a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remote control and you can control the sprayer.

[Adam Curry]

It has a remote control so somebody can walk by while you're in the pot. Next thing you know, you're soaked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you should use. You keep the remaining remote control in the bathroom.

[Adam Curry]

Well, why does it need to be remote then? You're right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because otherwise you have a huge handle sticking out of the seat and that's what makes it looks dumb. Looks like a geriatric device.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a bunch of these. There's the Toto. There's the Washlet C5.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's it. The Toto.

[Adam Curry]

The Toto is 350 bucks from Amazon. But the Washlet C5, which looks like the exact same thing, a Chinese version from AliExpress is 277.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you're forgetting to include, include the 54 tariff.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now's the time before the tariff goes into play order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see. Quick, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, Walmart has the same seat for 493.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is good. So there's, there's different places.

[Adam Curry]

An example of Amazon actually having cheaper than Walmart, which is not usually the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. And you can get it in two different days from Prime.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I. Pricey stuff, I know, but 350.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm considering this.

[Adam Curry]

Why did you get the one from China then? I always say same exact product.

[John C. Dvorak]

If there's anything you use every single day, like shoes, mattress. I use our toilet every day. I am definitely concerned.

[Adam Curry]

You don't think this one is from Amazon's? Not the China one. It's the same one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just talk, talking about the model. I'm just saying this is what you want. This looks sleek. It looks modern and it does the deed.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good looking product.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good looking product. All right. You are in a grouchy mood.

[Adam Curry]

Arg. All right, well, I got something that's offbeat. Although we can just stay with that one tip. We don't need two.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want your tip.

[Adam Curry]

This is something JC turned me on to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mm.

[Adam Curry]

And so I got one and I checked it out. It's kind of cool to have. I think it's important to have one around the house. A Geiger counter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a Geiger counter.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have the little handheld one? It's about the size of a cell phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I have a World War II Geiger counter.

[Adam Curry]

One of those yellow boxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had one of those. They're too big and clunky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're very clunky.

[Adam Curry]

This is a modern Geiger counter. Of course, it's made in China. And GQ Electronics is actually says Seattle. It says Seattle, Washington on when it opens, but it's Chinese. Give me a break. And it's the GQE GMC 800. You can get that. But there's other ones that are similar. They're all under $100. And they have a little sensor on the side of the Geiger tube. At least a modern version, I guess, if somebody's miniaturized it. And I think it's handy to have. And I had checked it out. I have a uranium rock amongst my collection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course you do. Doesn't everybody have a uranium rock laying around next to the uranium rock? Next to the cheddar cheese hat?

[Adam Curry]

It sits sealed in a lead thing. And I checked it. Yep, it could see the uranium and so it works. It's funny because I'm actually slightly radioactive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Seems that humans. I mean, the background on this. The background is around 8 or just no radiation at all. And then when you. When you're hanging it around a person, it'll go up to 10. Now if you hit the uranium, it sky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you skyrockets? Have you tried a banana?

[Adam Curry]

Not yet. Not you mentioned I should try a banana.

[John C. Dvorak]

What other things? I mean, what is the actual usefulness of a Geiger counter around the house? House.

[Adam Curry]

To check your water supply, maybe to check to see if somebody's serving you tea. You might want to make sure that's not laced with plutonium to try to kill you. That's one good use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this a portable device that you can take with you?

[Adam Curry]

It's the size of a cell phone. It's very small.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you can take it with you to the Russian Tea Room where they might try.

[Adam Curry]

You can take to the Russian Tea Room and then you could pull it out. You could also take to the fish market to make sure you're not getting radioactive. Safety famine.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are all these. This is tips within tips.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a lot of potential uses. So I, I just think everyone should have a Geiger counter. Come on. So much. It's 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right. Everybody get your Geiger counter. Find out [e-mail] no agenda fun.com and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That's why people stick the whole show out, John, Just to hear stuff like that. It is 2025. Everybody should have a Geiger counter. I cannot disagree, cannot disagree. Particularly at the Russian Tea Room. It's very important. Let's see, we have. Oh, bowl after bowl. Coming up next on the no Agenda stream. Stick around in the troll room if you're still there. Trollroom IO or you can just keep listening on your modern podcast app. Everything switches over automatically. It's a beautiful system. From the number one podcast directory in the universe, podcast index.org end of show mixes. We have new ones. Hugh Allison. Haven't had one from him in a while. Steve Jones of the Jones Brothers series syndicate is back. And James Boss. All wonderful end of show mixes. And we'll be back on Sunday. You will, of course, enjoy the media deconstruction, the news rip apartage and I will be coming to you then again from the heart of the Texas hill country in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Devorak. See you guys at the Violet the Pizzeria in Oakland next Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happy birthday, John, and remember us atno agenda donations.com until Sunday. Adios. Mofos are hooey, hooey.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm not buying it. I'm not buying. I'm not buying.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not buying it?

[Adam Curry]

I'm not buying the fact that she's. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, not buying it. You're not buying anything. Can I sell you anything today that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not buying it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I am, as you would say, not buying it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw the fly. I'm not buying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you buy that? I mean, I'm not quite sure why not buying it. Because I. I'm just not buying it. I don't. I don't buy that. I'm not buying.

[Adam Curry]

I know what you're doing. Yeah, but I'm not.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not buying it.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I came so close. Shut up, Slay.

[Producer]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for holding us down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Down five years.

[Producer]

We are a toddler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Toddler.

[Producer]

And we out in these streets, in this world. And we are not going to stop. And we are not going to stop. And we are not going to stop. And we are not going to stop. We are not going to stop. When you are in the midst of a crisis, and specifically a crisis of. Of democracy, how do you resist? When fascism isn't just coming, it's already coming. It's already coming. It's already here. We are going to talk about what people are actually doing to resist this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drank it. Old fashioned. Old fashioned.

[Producer]

Number two. Took a nap. Took a nap. Number three, Delighted co workers with sarcasm. Sarcasm. Put Black History month stickers, stickers, stickers on bulletin board and gave out emotional support. Dumpster fires. And last but not least, number one, executed productivity tasking. Number two, Identified opportunities to transition to high productivity tasking. Productivity tasking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Number Plan for doge to f off. He's got puffy face.

[Adam Curry]

The Russian leader with puffy face. Putin coughing continuously. Continuously. Shaking uncontrollably. Restless leg syndrome, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's going to die.

[Adam Curry]

Putin will die soon. The Russian leader with puffy face. He's got puffy face and making jerky legs. Shaking uncontrollably. The Russian leader with puffy face. Putin coughing continuously.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's going to die.

[Adam Curry]

Restless leg syndrome, I guess. The Russian leader with puffy face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mofo dvorak.org na wow, that was better.

[Producer]

Than a Dirty Sanchez.