1758 - "Scream Circle"

Summary

No Agenda Show Episode 1758 - "Scream Circle" Summary

Release Date: April 24, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Description: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak

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I. Introduction and Casual Banter [00:00 - 02:14]

The episode kicks off with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak engaging in light-hearted conversation about a recent wedding attended by John. They humorously discuss interactions with Craig Vaughn, a former police officer turned sheriff's lieutenant, highlighting his temper and the presence of numerous deputies at the event.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [00:30]: "I'm at this wedding... kind of like a libtard thing?"

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II. Martial Law Speculations and Political Climate [02:14 - 05:10]

The hosts delve into speculations about the potential declaration of martial law, originally slated for the previous Sunday but subsequently postponed. They discuss disagreements among political figures, including Vice President J.D. Vance's threats to withdraw support if certain conditions aren't met regarding Ukraine.

Notable Quote:
Adam Curry [02:37]: "Are we under martial law yet? That was supposed to happen on Sunday."

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III. Russian Attacks on Kyiv and U.S. Policy Responses [05:10 - 15:36]

An update is provided on Russia's intensified missile and drone attacks on Kyiv, marking one of the worst assaults since the war's inception. The Ukrainian government's response condemns President Putin, while discussions highlight President Trump's vocal criticism of Ukrainian President Zelensky and Vice President Vance's aggressive stance on U.S. involvement.

Notable Quote:
Martha Radnick [07:09]: "Russia launched 215 missiles and drones overnight... it's very scary."

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IV. Elon Musk's Government Involvement and Media Critique [15:36 - 26:08]

The conversation shifts to Elon Musk's role in the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), established under President Trump. The hosts critique Musk's management, citing public backlash over his behavior and decisions, including dismantling government agencies and slashing jobs. They highlight negative media portrayals, particularly accusations of Nazi-like gestures and criticisms from European entities.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [17:40]: "They think he's a Nazi. It's like it's delusional."

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V. Predicting the Next Pope and Church Dynamics [26:08 - 85:04]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to speculating on the succession of Pope Francis. The hosts discuss potential candidates from various regions, emphasizing the possibility of an African pope given the continent's growing Catholic population. They debate the qualifications and likelihood of different cardinals being elected, integrating personal predictions and references to historical prophecies.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [80:31]: "I believe it will be Cardinal Robert Sarah from Guinea... He's outspoken and funny."

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VI. Autism, Vaccine Misinformation, and Media Accountability [85:04 - 92:26]

The discussion intensifies around a documentary by Craig Vaughn exploring the alleged link between vaccines and autism. The hosts defend the film against mainstream media criticism, arguing that it sheds light on suppressed information. They also address broader issues of misinformation, emphasizing the show's role in educating listeners beyond mainstream narratives.

Notable Quote:
Craig Vaughn [56:28]: "I'm not anti-vaccine. I want safe vaccines... I shouldn't give a kid a bunch of shots and then something happens."

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VII. US-China Trade War and Counterfeit Luxury Goods on TikTok [92:26 - 200:53]

Adam and John analyze the ongoing trade tensions between the U.S. and China, focusing on the prevalence of counterfeit luxury goods being marketed on platforms like TikTok. They critique European fashion houses for lacking transparency in their supply chains and condemn the deceptive practices that allow counterfeit products to infiltrate the market at a fraction of the authentic prices.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [160:17]: "We've convinced consumers that if it has the brand on it, it's the real deal," highlighting the manipulation behind brand perception.

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VIII. Donor Recognition, Meetups, and Show Wrap-Up [200:53 - End]

Concluding the episode, the hosts express gratitude towards their donors, recognizing various support levels and personal messages. They promote upcoming meetups across different regions, encouraging listeners to join and support the show further. Additionally, they touch upon the introduction of new segments like "Tip of the Day" and discuss the use of AI in content creation, blending humor with promotional content.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [177:06]: "We are proud to do it as a public service and never, ever have to go to a concierge level."

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Conclusion

Episode 1758 of the No Agenda Show presents a comprehensive discussion on geopolitical tensions, media criticism, internal church dynamics, and misinformation surrounding vaccines and autism. Through engaging banter and in-depth analysis, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak offer their unique perspectives, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps, providing listeners with a detailed deconstruction of current events and media narratives.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Go Boomers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, April 24, 2025. This is your award winning Give My nation media assassination episode 1758. This is no Agenda picking popes and broadcasting live for over 17 years from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where we should be rolling out the no Agenda meme coin, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Craig Vaugh.

[Adam Curry]

Kill.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was a wedding last night and people are asking me, like, what do you think of Trump's cryptocurrency? I'm like, do you really want me to get into this with you? His meme coin. Oh, man. So. So I'm. I'm at this wedding. This is the former.

[Adam Curry]

This is the wedding you were at when. When. When Andrew tried to get hold of you?

[Craig Vaughn]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the former Kerrville cop with anger management issues wedding.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's nothing like a cop with anger management issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, especially since he's now the lieutenant for the sheriff's office of Gillespie County.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is good. We like knowing our buddy Mike.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I would think so. You don't want to piss him off.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the whole, you know, there's, there's. It must have been 10 sheriff's deputies all in uniform. Half of them look like the mustache guy from the Village People for some reason. It's like, do you know you look kind of like that gay guy from the Village People?

[Adam Curry]

Did you say that to him?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course. They think it's funny. They think it's all hilarious. No.

[Adam Curry]

Good for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're good guys. Yeah. So Andrew calls me. Like, no. So I text him. Actually, no. I'm at a wedding and then I just. I decide I'm going to ghost him because he. Because he's now using it as engagement farming. He's all over X. Like, is there a. What's going on? What's happening? Ooh, what could be happening? Oh, he hasn't texted me back. I'm glad we can provide some promotion for DH Unplugged. I'm very. I haven't had a chance to listen to the show. Did he bring it up on Tuesday?

[Adam Curry]

Kinda, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, did he? Because he. He did send me an email early in the week. He was befuddled. People are saying that we're. We're in. We're fighting. Is. Is everything okay? I presume it's an inside joke. Right, Right, right, right. Come on. Right. I'M like, I think so. I don't know. Maybe you should listen to our show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, until you listen to this show, you'll be funneled continually. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are we under martial law yet? Is the main question of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that was supposed to happen on Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I don't.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Guess not. Guess it hasn't happened.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And I haven't seen anybody posting about it. Why it hasn't happened because they have to have a new date.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So there was.

[Adam Curry]

It's been put off to some other date.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So I make a joke about this at the wedding yesterday, and Joe was there. Laura Logan's husband.

[Adam Curry]

And apparently Laura there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, she. Who knows? She's doing a speech in Atlanta. She's all over the place. And apparently he had already told a few people a week ago, oh, yeah, martial law is coming.

[Adam Curry]

Was he a believer in this?

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess so, because other people said, yeah, Joe, what happened to that? And I'm like, joe, what? That's like a libtard thing? No, no, no. He just wouldn't do it on Easter. Like, come on, man.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's crazy. That's. All right. And then I hit him right back with this. Okay. It'll all change when JFK junior Is our vice president.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about screwball things. I have a bet with my son.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I may have brought this up, but I don't think I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'll remind you if you did.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure you will. He made a substantial bet. And I have to put this down. I have to get this in writing. I have to send some email back and forth because I do have one witness and he's just adamant about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is one not enough? Do you need more witnesses?

[Adam Curry]

Well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, wait, I think you have brought this up. That JD Vance will become president and then Trump will be vice president. He'll quit and then he'll become president.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's adamant about it. You told me that we're all witnesses. You have a million witnesses. We've heard this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know, but it has to be. Yeah, he's what? And I can't refer to a podcast. I can't dig it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

How dare you denigrate the show?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's not that. It's that I'd have to keep track of the date of this podcast. Then refer to it. Oh, you can get it something in an email, which I can.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'll be able to go to Bingit IO and send a direct link to the audio we have the best resources.

[Adam Curry]

For this, but that's the kind of thing that's very similar to. That reminds me of the. The idea that we're going to have martial law for whatever, and there's no reason for any of this. There's no reason to expect Trump to do pull a stunt like that, which should irk everyone. Hey, there's no reason for him to pull a stunt like martial law.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of my screens here in the studio have identical breaking news. Trump on Ukraine war. We're getting close. We're getting closer. It's almost there.

[Adam Curry]

There's no. There's no closer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually have some.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I think Russia bombed Kyiv this morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is it.

[Martha Radnick]

One of the worst attacks on Kyiv since the start of the war. In an attack on the Ukrainian Capital, Russia launched 215 missiles and drones overnight, according to the Ukrainian Air Force, causing the collapse of numerous residential buildings. Some residents still in shock were awakened by the explosions. I had time to get out when it exploded, and then there was nothing. The neighboring house was destroyed. Destroyed. And everything in our house flew away, and I didn't see anything. I'm scared. Others had time to find refuge in bomb shelters. We were sleeping when we heard the first explosion. It was very strong. The windows in our apartment were damaged. Kitchen appliances flew off the countertop. But luckily we were alive. Following the attack, the Ukrainian government denounced Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he only has the desire to kill. President Zelensky said that Russia must stop strikes immediately and unconditionally. But after three years of fighting, some Ukrainians say they no longer believe that peace is possible. I honestly don't know how this will all end. It's very scary. I don't believe it. I only believe that if we can stop them on the battlefield, that's it. Diplomacy doesn't work here. You can see it from the news. From the dead. Attacks on Kyiv, as well as Kharkiv resumed following a brief Easter truce.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this looked pretty bad, I have to say. And I don't think there's been a bombing in Kiev that has been this bad. And I'll kind of work backwards in the timeline, because before what happened last night, we had this tonight, President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Lashing out at you, crashing Zelensky on social media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Is that not what we call hyperbole?

[Adam Curry]

Lashing out. That used to be the pet phrase of Amy Goodman, lashing Vladimir Zelinsky on.

[Martha Radnick]

Social media, writing, he can have peace.

[Adam Curry]

Or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country.

[John C. Dvorak]

The man with no cards to play.

[Adam Curry]

Martha Radnick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, sure is. Radix. Radix.

[Adam Curry]

Is she still working?

[John C. Dvorak]

Raditz. Raditz.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know why I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

From now on, she is Martha Radnick. That's fine. We have pet names for people in the show. Yes, she's still working.

[Martha Radnick]

Oh, cards to play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should now finally get it done. Nice. I don't know if that was a quote or editorializing. Trump angered by Zelinsky's refusal to accept.

[Martha Radnick]

A US proposed peace deal that would.

[Adam Curry]

Prohibit NATO membership for Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine.

[Martha Radnick]

And would include Ukraine giving up land.

[Adam Curry]

That Russia has seized since its invasion.

[John C. Dvorak]

In addition to giving up Crimea.

[Adam Curry]

Zelensky saying, there's nothing to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is our territory, the territory of the Ukrainian people.

[Adam Curry]

Vice President J.D. vance threatened to end the negotiations if Ukraine does not accept the US Proposal.

[John C. Dvorak]

That calls for Ukraine to give up land to Russia. We've issued a very explicit proposal to.

[Adam Curry]

Both the Russians and the Ukrainians, and it's time for them to either say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes or for the United States to.

[Adam Curry]

Walk away from this process.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what's odd about this is just around this time we got this news about President Putin.

[Martha Radnick]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed for the first time in years a willingness.

[Adam Curry]

To hold direct talks with Ukraine.

[Martha Radnick]

This marks potential diplomatic movement as pressure mounts from the US for both sides to reach a ceasefire deal. Speaking to Russian state media, Putin claimed Moscow was open to discussing the possibility.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of halting strikes on civilian infrastructure with Kyiv. How'd that work out?

[Martha Radnick]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has also signaled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Readiness for dialogue, proposing a 30 day.

[Martha Radnick]

Ceasefire to end attacks on civilians, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Russia has yet to accept the offer.

[Martha Radnick]

As talks intensify, the US has warned that it could withdraw its support for peace efforts if there's no visible progress. With negotiations set to continue in London this week, the coming days could determine whether renewed diplomacy finally leads to peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's interesting when you look at these four screens, so I have Fox, msnbc, CNN and the BBC. The white balance, the color of the Oval Office is so different in each one.

[Adam Curry]

That shouldn't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. So Fox is very vibrant. MSNBC actually looks a little out of focus. CNN looks somewhat washed out. And the BBC. The gold behind the president on the fireplace is just beaming at me. It's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

That's being done on purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

You gotta think it or no. People just don't care anymore. Or maybe they just run AI over this stuff. Well, white balance, Schmite balance.

[Adam Curry]

Let the computer do it. The idea that they don't care, they're careless or they're sloppy or they don't, you know, that is possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But I would get the impression that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They purposeful, let's look at the headlines.

[Adam Curry]

But then again, you know, it's, you know, it's the falling off of quality of MSNBC and CNN over the years could be reflected in a lot of different ways.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. Wouldn't surprise me.

[Adam Curry]

I have the NTD version of the update between Russia, Ukraine. It's a Russia, Ukraine update.

[Martha Radnick]

President also talked about Russia and Ukraine today. Tell us the latest on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure.

[Martha Radnick]

So inside Yahweh's President Trump now said that he thinks Russia is ready to have a deal and that the US Already had the deal with Russia. But it turns out that Ukraine is now the more difficult one to negotiate with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Watch. I think Russia is ready and a lot of people said Russia wanted to go for the whole thing and they've, I think we have a deal with Russia. We have to get a deal with Zelensky. And I hope that Zelensky, I thought it might be easier to deal with Zelensky. So far it's been harder. But that's okay. It's all right. But I think we have a deal with both. I hope they do it because I'm looking to save and you know, we spend a lot of money, but this is about a lot of humanity.

[Martha Radnick]

Meanwhile, in the True Social Post this afternoon, President Trump criticized Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky for making it more difficult to settle the war by saying that Ukraine won't recognize Russia's claim of Crimea, which happened back in 2014. Meanwhile, Zelensky responded later by pointing to a 2018 statement during the first Trump term saying that the US will never recognize Russia, Russian sovereignty over Crimea. I mean, while Vice President JD Vance today is saying that if Russia and Ukraine don't strike a deal, the US Would, well, just walk away. And meanwhile, the US Is focused on talking with Russia this week with a Trump special envoy, Steve Wykoff, and Russia this week to talk to Russian President Vladimir Putin for the fourth time.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the problem with all of this, let's say we get a, a truce, end of the war. There are so many weapons that have now been funneled from Ukraine into Europe. I mean, it's undeniable. And we're talking assault rifles, grenade launchers, anti tank weapons.

[Adam Curry]

Where would they be going to Europe and not Africa?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I would say they'd be funneled through Europe. But think about the people who are in Europe, the people who have been let in.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you think there could be a fifth column?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, fifth column. I mean, just nut jobs. Nut jobs throughout Europe. We kind of saw this after. What was it? What was the Yugoslav wars of the 90s. Lots of weapons throughout Europe, and we had gangs using them, terrorist attacks. And now we've got all kinds of crazy people in Europe. I mean, the war could be going to the streets. I think Europe may not be realizing what could possibly happen if this happens.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's kind of a grim view of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have a kid there, you know, so I think about these things. Yeah, yeah, it is grim. But, you know, weapons have a weird way of going the other direction. It's not that hard. So I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. I mean, demilitarized zone is what it would have to be. And keep Crimea, you got a dmz, and it's the end of it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they can't seem to get this to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because they like the war. The European leadership likes it. They're all in. They can't turn back their financing. And all these.

[Adam Curry]

They have. They have probably. There has to be something behind Zelensky's reluctance besides his just pigheadedness. It's got to be the Europeans telling him, don't worry about it. We'll back you up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We'll put you in the eu. You'll become a part of Europe. We promise. Pinky swear. Come on, come on. Just keep going. Keep going. Don't stop. Here's your script. Yeah, I would think so. I would think so. Anyway, happy news, everybody. Happy, happy days. Good times. It's all fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's. I got a couple clips on Elon Musk quitting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, is it quitting or is he going to reduce his involvement?

[Adam Curry]

I think he's not quitting or reducing. I think he's just saying all this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't even even think it's true at all. He said there's no pullback.

[Adam Curry]

He's got his team in place. He likes to be in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, not. Not that, but within the power structure.

[John C. Dvorak]

He should take a sabbatical or say he's taking time to focus on his multiple families.

[Adam Curry]

He should. You're right. I think he's trying to do that, but he's doing it in a funny way. I've got some clips from NPR which will have a slant to him. And so this is Musk out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Elon Musk says he'll pull back.

[Martha Radnick]

From his work in the Trump administration to focus on running his electric car business, Tesla.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the last few months, Musk has had massive access and power within the White House. NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben reports on the relationship that was mutually beneficial until things got complicated.

[Martha Radnick]

On election night, Donald Trump gave special attention to one of his biggest supporters.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born. Elon.

[Martha Radnick]

Their political courtship was only a few months old. Musk endorsed Trump shortly after the July assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. Musk later explained his attraction at another Trump rally in Butler in October.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had one president who couldn't climb.

[Adam Curry]

A flight of stairs and another who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was fist pumping after getting shot. Eli.

[Adam Curry]

Fight, fight, fight. Blood coming down the face.

[Martha Radnick]

Musk would go on to spend a quarter of a billion dollars supporting Trump and other Republicans in the 2024 election. By the time Musk took the stage at Trump's October Madison Square Garden rally, Trump had already said Musk would lead a project they called the Department of Government Efficiency, or doge. Howard Lutnick, who is now Commerce Secretary, introduced Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

How much do you think we can rip out of this wasted 6, $6.5.

[Adam Curry]

Trillion Harris Biden budget?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think we can do at least 2 trillion. Yeah.

[Martha Radnick]

Musk brought a chaotic, chaotic, chaotic energy to his new political role. He grabbed headlines when he twice made a straight armed gesture that resembled a Nazi salute at Trump's inauguration. Musk denied that, then joked about it on social media. Once Trump took office, Musk was everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

I keep getting notes from the eu, from the European countries, mainly the Netherlands, who correct me on Tesla, say, no, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. The reason some people are not buying Teslas or renouncing their ownership is because of the Nazi salute and his support of AfD. They truly think he's a Nazi.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I believe this to be true. I've noticed this following some of the foreign news coverage. They, There is this strong belief that he's. And you see it on, even on late night comedy shows. This not, he's a Nazi, period. It's just not even, it's not even an issue. It's not even a question.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know it. Yeah, he did this. And that's what you do as a.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, so Nazis do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like it's delusional. Do you think it's truly. But it's concerning, it's concerning that people, you know, that the, the machine is so strong that people actually believe this, whether they've even seen it or not, or they maybe seen a picture somewhere, they hear people talking about it.

[Adam Curry]

Shot of him given this, you know, doing his salute. I mean, Waltz did the exact same.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean, I know we, we know that. Everyone who's listening to the show knows that, but that doesn't matter. The fact that you can still launch that into the, into the media, into the universe, really into the ether, let's put it that way. You can launch that into the ether and people just go, oh yeah, and make it stick. And it sticks. Yeah. I mean, we all should be very worried about that. That is, it's a phenom for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's amazing. And that's why we have to, it has to be fought. But it's a, it's a hopeless battle.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why you listen to the no Agenda show, because it makes you smarter. It also makes you more, more. It makes you more attractive to the opposite sex. And the hit of every party.

[Adam Curry]

It does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

So, so they, so they continue with this. This, this is more. And as you listen to this, this is kind of like an eulogy. They, they talk about the entire Musk story. It's more like a movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, are they sad? He's going, is that what's happening?

[Adam Curry]

They're like, oh, well, I can't say that's the case. It's just like they're, they're wrapping it. It's like a rap. Maybe Muskrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe they. Musk rap. I like that. Maybe it's because they had all the packages and the scripts written when they told everybody that they were going to break up months ago and they're just like, oh, we still got this stuff on the shelf. Should we use it now? Both.

[Adam Curry]

That's always possible. I don't think NPR is that into having these because that's TV stuff, because you have. That takes more work, but it's possible. Here we go.

[Martha Radnick]

Riding on Air Force One and taking questions with the President in the Oval Office. Once with his four year old son in tow, Trump was generous with Musk, constantly praising him and letting him speak at length, even at Cabinet meetings. At the first one, Trump jokingly chided Musk at one point, let the Cabinet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speak just for a second.

[Martha Radnick]

At Doge, Musk had almost unrestricted ability to look at the details of agencies that oversaw his businesses, companies that do a lot of work for the federal government. He gleefully set to work reshaping the bureaucracy he railed against as a businessman, even brandishing A chainsaw on stage at a conservative conference earlier this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. A little bit out of context, but okay.

[Martha Radnick]

Under Musk, Doge has effectively dismantled some agencies and left others real.

[John C. Dvorak]

He must have had the MMR job jab as a kid. There's no doubt about it. Musk is so on the spectrum, it's not funny anymore.

[Martha Radnick]

Under Musk, Doge has effectively dismantled some agencies and left others reeling after slashing tens of thousands of jobs. But big savings have been hard to find. On the campaign trail, Musk had said he was shooting for $2 trillion, but by a Cabinet meeting earlier this month, the goal was much smaller.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm excited to announce that we anticipate savings in FY26 from reduction of waste and fraud by $150 billion.

[Martha Radnick]

Courts have halted many of Doge's actions, including attempts to obtain access to sensitive data. By spring, Trump was saying that Cabinet members would be taking more of the lead in making decisions about their agencies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hundreds of billions of dol of waste.

[Adam Curry]

And fraud and abuse has been found.

[John C. Dvorak]

Already found.

[Adam Curry]

And that doesn't mean they don't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little bit of an argument here.

[Adam Curry]

And there about something, or maybe personnel arguments.

[Martha Radnick]

There were also signs that Musk was becoming a political liability. He spent and campaigned heavily for the conservative in a Wisconsin Supreme Court election in April, who then lost.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the conservative television and radio media, they don't really cop to the fact that it's 150 billion, significantly less than what was promised.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's an assumption that it's going to continue and grow. 150 billion isn't chicken feed.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. This is what we gave to Ukraine, we guess. We don't even know that. We don't know anything. We know anything about the numbers?

[Adam Curry]

No, we don't know anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know nothing. It's just numbers that people throw out there. Who knows? Who knows?

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, you left 80 billion plus in gear in Afghanistan that could have been retrieved. That's 80 billion just. Well, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you see, I'm not looking at the actual value. It's the marketing numbers. The marketing numbers. A billion dollars is nothing these days. We didn't even know what came after a million when I was a kid. What comes after a million? I don't know. We had no idea with all of our devaluation of currency through printing, now the billionaire is the new millionaire, and we don't even think about what that means anymore. If you went on the street and said, how many millions is a billion. I don't think people even know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they know.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they've come up with 5% of their proposed savings. That's not impressive. It's a lot of money, but it's not impressive. And they're not saying more to come. So marketing wise, I think it's kind of a flop.

[Adam Curry]

They are saying more to come. It's that his reports aren't saying more to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're also saying he's not Hitler, but the reports say he is. So I'm just looking at perception of the media.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's wrap it with the third clip.

[Martha Radnick]

Meanwhile, widespread Tesla takedown protests were happening at dealerships nationwide. Musk openly disagreed with Trump's tariff policy, at one point calling trade adviser Peter Navarro dumber than a sack of bricks. Musk's job at Doge was always supposed to be a temporary assignment. Recently, Trump has been vague about Musk's future, but complimentary as always.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think he's amazing, but I also think he's got a big company to run and so at some point he's going to be going back.

[Adam Curry]

He wants to.

[Martha Radnick]

Would you want to keep him around?

[John C. Dvorak]

But I'd keep him as long as I could keep him.

[Adam Curry]

He's a very talented guy.

[Martha Radnick]

This week, Tesla reported dismal earnings and Musk announced to shareholders that he would be paring back his role at Doge. The White House has not responded to NPR's questions about how much Musk will be scaling back.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do have, I think, a Franz Van Contra clip about that includes some of the quarterly, quarterly call. That's the one where everybody typically calls up and says, great queue, guys. Really good. Not so in this case.

[Martha Radnick]

It hasn't been a great year for Tesla, the US Automaker headed by billionaire Elon Musk. For months, protesters have been vandalizing Tesla cars and showrooms upset at Musk, spearheading mass layoffs at major government agencies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, if we were running France 24 and this guy auditioned, would you say, yeah, that's a go for on air voice.

[Adam Curry]

Play it again.

[Martha Radnick]

Through his work at Doge, it's been so bad that President Donald Trump has threatened to imprison the protesters in El Salvador door.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd be like, no pass.

[Adam Curry]

I think it'd be more for some gay channel.

[Martha Radnick]

Deliveries of Tesla's aging lineup of cars have nosedived and Tesla's profits have been hollowed out. Tesla's net income has fallen 71% from the same time last year. Investors have sold off the company's stock at a rapid pace, causing its price to drop by about half since December. Nonetheless, on an earnings phone call with analysts on Tuesday, Musk defended his work with the Trump administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's been some blowback for the time that I've been spending in government with the Department of Government Efficiency or doge. I believe what I think do is to justify the ways of fraud and get the country back on the right track and working together with President Trump and his administration. Because if further shift of America goes down, we all go down with it, including Tesla and everyone else.

[Martha Radnick]

Yielding to investors worries, Musk said that next month he will begin allocating more time to Tesla and cut back his time at Doge. He returns as the company faces difficulties from Trump imposed tariffs. Tesla paused imports of some China sourced components after US tariffs on the Asian country rose to 145%. China has responded with tariffs of its own, leading Tesla to suspend some orders in the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was watching a report on BYD at the Shanghai auto show. They launched the new models. Oh man, those are gorgeous. I know they're really like cool looking car. I mean I still would not a bad want a battery car but they're cool looking cars, you know. And then you look at the Tesla it's like feels kind of 2010ish.

[Adam Curry]

It's old fashioned looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that's his problem.

[Adam Curry]

It was good looking when it came out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he had that designer guy, right? He had the, the OG designer.

[Adam Curry]

He had some designer that did a. You know, they've been kind of like that guy wasn't around anymore and it's, everything's gotten stale after the S. After the S. The S was the good looking one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't that the guy who designed the, the car that kept catching on fire? Remember that one? Fisker, Fisker, Fisker. It's just driving 5ft catches on fire.

[Adam Curry]

I know. You know I thought it was but it turns out it, I don't know if it was or not. I, I had some, I wrote something up about the designer and then I got people sending no, you got the wrong guy. And so I don't know what the story is with any accuracy on who designed the original S, but that guy's not there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoever it was, he's not there.

[Adam Curry]

That's the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I do have a related clip which is from Al Gore who had this.

[Adam Curry]

Very well, I'm glad you got the Al Gore stuff. He gave the speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I did mention the newsletter we missed again. Oh no, I think for the 15th year in a row.

[John C. Dvorak]

Earth Day.

[Adam Curry]

We missed our annual Earth Day promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Shame on you. I saw the local news, doing a thing about Earthdale cocktails. Earth Day cocktails?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What's that? Dirt in a jar?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was just alcohol. You cut up the lime so you can make it look like the continents and then you drink it on Earth Day. I'm like, what is this? They don't even have anything. Anything to say about it. It's so. It's so deluded. Who even organizes Earth Day? Do we even know who's in charge of this? Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

I think whoever designed it, I think. Didn't this start in the 70s?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see here. Earthday.org the official site. I'm being verified by Cloudflare. They don't think I'm a human. Ah. I've been. I've been approved.

[Adam Curry]

You've been kicked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. About us. Aboot. Aboot. Us Aboot. Aboot. Let's see our vision. No, it doesn't say anything. Oh, board of directors. Oh, a bunch of ugly people. Let me see about. Oh, they have their history. What's their history, then? Yes. Earth. Every year on April 22, Earth Day marks anniversary of the birth of the modern environmental movement in 1970. You are right. You are right. The stage was set for change.

[Adam Curry]

And the environmental movement did not begin.

[John C. Dvorak]

In 1960, but here it is. The stage was set for change with the publication of Rachel Carson's New York Times bestseller, silent spring in 1962.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're a little eight years later is what they're saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Senator Gaylord Nelson.

[Adam Curry]

Silent Spring was a massive bestseller.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Did you read it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was it about?

[Adam Curry]

It was about how we're gonna all die.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. An uplifting book. Anyway.

[Adam Curry]

Pesticides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. And acid rain. No, that came later.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We had acid rain. We had the ozone hole. I remember as a kid, we had the ozone layer.

[Adam Curry]

The ozone layer that was in the hole.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hole in the ozone layer that.

[Adam Curry]

Was in the 70s.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'd be looking up, like, where is it? How come I can't see it? How do I see the. It's because of your washing machine. So. Yeah. So here's the.

[Adam Curry]

It was Freon. It was a refrigerator that was causing.

[John C. Dvorak]

The refrigerator. Yeah. Another. Another good one.

[Adam Curry]

Freon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Free. On. But then they came up with something else it doesn't use free. And then it was hairspray.

[Adam Curry]

That's more toxic, but it doesn't put a hole in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then there was hairspray. Hairspray.

[Adam Curry]

Was doing it Hairspray bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I, I personally am responsible for.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of, I think, things in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The environment during the 80s and 90s. So Al Gore does this very interesting thing. He says, I don't like calling people Hitler, but you know, these guys are Hitler. I want to note that before I was not a precedent. I understand very well why it is wrong to compare Adolf Hitler's Third Reich to any other movement. It was uniquely evil, full stop. I get it. But there are important lessons from the history of that emergent evil. And here is one that I regard a essential. In the immediate aftermath of World War II, a small group of philosophers who had escaped Hitler's murderous regime returned to Germany and performed a kind of moral autopsy on the Third Reich. The most famous of the so called Frankfurt school of philosophers was a man named Jurgen Habermas. Best known, I would say, but it was. Do you know who that guy was? Jurden Habermas. What's his name?

[Adam Curry]

No, I know about the Frankfurt School, but I don't know specific guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Famous of the so called Frankfurt School of philosophers was a man named Jurgen Habermas. Best known, I would say, but it was Habermas's mentor, Theodore Adorno. Do we know him?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He wrote a book called the Authoritarian Personality.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Very famous guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, thank you. Who wrote that the first step in that nation's descent into hell was, and I quote, the conversion of all questions of truth into questions of power. Oh, okay. All questions of. Conversion of all questions of truth into questions of power. So let's see. Can he, can he. How is he going to spin this to Trump?

[Adam Curry]

How is he going to spin this?

[John C. Dvorak]

He described how the Nazis, and I quote, again attacked the very part of the distinction between true and false. End quote. Ah, we're going to do some lies. The Trump administration is insisting on trying to create their own preferred version of reality. They say Ukraine attacked Russia instead of the other way around.

[Adam Curry]

Never said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think they ever said that. They said they provoked.

[Adam Curry]

This is a creation talk. See what he's going to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

His liar.

[Adam Curry]

He's the liar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but that's what you take.

[Adam Curry]

You take the examples, you create a methodology that you show that the other side's bad and then you use the same, you use those techniques against the audience. This is really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's good at it. On trying to create their own preferred version of reality. They say Ukraine attacked Russia instead of the other way around. And expect US to believe it at home. They attack heroes who have defended our nation in war and against cyber attacks as traitors. Well, he's talking about the. The veterans, remember? He said they're losers because they, you know, John McCain.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, another lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, losers.

[Adam Curry]

Losers. Suckers and losers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suckers and losers. Yeah. So suckers and losers. Yes. They say the climate crisis is a hoax. Well, yeah, okay, I'll give you that one. Invented by the Chinese to destroy American manufacturing. What a little laugh tale there. Invented by the Chinese? No, invented by you. That's why he's laughing. Like. They say it's the Chinese.

[Adam Curry]

It was me. They don't know anything. I'm the one who did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm the one who did that. They say coal is clean. No, what do you say?

[Adam Curry]

What was that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

They say coal is clean. No, they're talking about clean coal.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, clean coal, which is marketing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agreed. But it is much cleaner than it used to be. So heat.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the coal is the coal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coal is coal.

[Adam Curry]

The problem is coal is coal. It's not. It doesn't change. It doesn't, you know, lignite, which is the good coal, which is pretty clean, doesn't change over the eons. It's the same damn stuff, except that the methodology, the. The floating bed burners and all the rest of it that you. That create coal power. Coal power. Energy has improved over the years with scrubbers on the one end and. And the floating bed on the other, and you get a pretty good burn job without it being a mess. So that's what they're referring to when they say clean coal.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he takes the president.

[Adam Curry]

He's a liar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he takes the President's words literally by saying, you know, because he said clean, beautiful coal. So. But yeah, okay, I guess they say coal is clean. They say wind turbines cause cancer. They say sea level rises.

[Adam Curry]

That's never happened either. I don't think anyone who said the wind turbines cause cancer, the President may.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have alluded to it.

[Adam Curry]

No, he made some joke about it about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Martha, I can't watch the tv. But people have definitely claimed to become sick from the sound of wind turbines. And there have been higher instances of cancer near wind farms. But, you know, we still don't know what is causing all of this cancer everywhere. We have no idea what could it be. So, you know, anyway, they say wind turbines cause cancer. They say sea level rise just creates more beachfront property.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, nobody says this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he did. The joke was if, if the sea level rises, then I'll just It's what I always say. If we're really going to have sea level rise, I'll have beachfront property in Fredericksburg. That's the joke.

[Adam Curry]

I'll have it right here. For sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So it's a joke, but okay. I guess he takes it seriously. Their allies in the oligarchic backlash to climate action argued that those who want to stop using the sky as an open sewer. For God's sake, the sky is an open sewer. Now, there's a lie. Need to be more realistic. And acquiescence to the huge increases in the burning of more and more fossil fuels, which is what they're pushing, even though that is the principal cause of the climate crisis. Oh, yeah. There you go. You know, actually, so the oil and gas guys are busy. They are very busy. Because all this nuclear talk. All this talk about, you know, small. I mean, even at the wedding last night. By the way, who gets married on a Wednesday night?

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who gets married on a Wednesday night? Wednesday night's a weird.

[Adam Curry]

That's what Horowitz is asking everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, he's just a sheriff's lieutenant. He doesn't have a lot of money, so I think that's it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Wednesday. Discount night for marriage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Discount night. They asked for money for their honeymoon instead of gifts, which I'm cool with.

[Adam Curry]

Did they?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I get it.

[Adam Curry]

You know, they make money, but they could.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't make a lot of money. And for getting shot at. No, he doesn't make a lot.

[Adam Curry]

No. Not forgetting shower. Dealing with the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

He runs. He runs the SWAT team and everything. He's a cool dude. He's a. He's a good guy to have on speed dial, let me tell you that. He's the guy you want as a friend. Anyway, so all this talk.

[Adam Curry]

What do they have a SWAT team there for?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Fredericksburg, man. We got MS.13. We got Trend. Aragua here, according to one guy. According to Laura.

[Adam Curry]

He's like a Lyft Uber driver. Does both.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, they just live here. You see, they don't cause trouble here. They just live here. This is. We got this all last night from Joe in the car. It's trend. Aragua's everywhere. They're here. They're right here in Fredericksburg. They just live here. Oh, okay. Well, I feel good about that then. Anyway, all this talk about data centers going on nuclear, you know, the Three Mile island being. Or part of it being fired up again. Nuclear, nuclear, nuclear. Bill Gates, everybody. Nuclear we can't have this. Let's call cbs. Hello, cbs. We'd like to do a buy. Yeah, we'll do triple the rate. So we do three 60s. And could you make it into a package? Why, sure. Just 15 miles away from St. Louis's Gateway Arch, nuclear waste was stored for decades.

[Martha Radnick]

It was all top secret.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linda Maurice lived near coldwater creek for 18 years. The waterway ran right by the storage site.

[Martha Radnick]

There was a deposit site where the processes and wastes of the Manhattan Project have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? The Manhattan Project? Was that a nuclear project?

[Adam Curry]

Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean the nuclear bomb. But they tested it with waste on the ground.

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea what she's talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't that in the desert somewhere?

[Adam Curry]

It was out. And it was in New Mexico.

[Martha Radnick]

Yeah, where the processes and wastes of the Manhattan Project had been stored. That is to say, dumped in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Open or put in barrels that rusted. Eventually, Linda's mother, father and brother would all die of lymphoma.

[Martha Radnick]

I think there are people to this day who don't know the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't until 1989, 43 years after the waste was first dumped, that the Environmental Protection Agency classified the area as hazardous. They said it was dangerously contaminated and ordered a government cleanup. But by that time, more than 60,000 people lived within just one mile of the creek, including Kristen Camuso.

[Martha Radnick]

I had to have a total hysterectomy. I've been diagnosed with thyroid cancer. They found a new tumor on my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remaining adrenal gland and this is horrible. Fear mongering, the way I see it.

[Adam Curry]

No. Where was this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was this? Pennsylvania.

[Adam Curry]

Why would they move it from all the way from New Mexico to Pennsylvania? Why, when they have New Mexico and Arizona and Nevada is like. Nevada, Nevada? Yeah. Tell me. Nevada. They're loaded with deserts that could be used dug. Holes can be dug. Stuff can be tossed in there with nobody nearby. It makes no sense to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the tell here is the Manhattan Project. I mean, do you get nuclear waste before the fusion is. Before the atoms have clashed and the heat is generated?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they were doing. They had to do some extraction, I suppose, in the process. It's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Camuso is the policy director for the Missouri Coalition for the Environment. She's been pushing for the remaining waste to be removed for more than 12 years.

[Martha Radnick]

I was quite literally laying in my hospital bed and I promised myself, by.

[Adam Curry]

The way, I stopped the clip. Another good reason to pay attention to the tips of the day on the no Agenda Show. And you would buy a GEICO counter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And you would know what's going on anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no. Well, now. Now you've made me stop for a second because I was going to talk about this later, but something very concerning has taken place. Let me see if I can find it here.

[Adam Curry]

With the Geiger counter?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, with the Tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there is another scandal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The Tip of the Day has become the most scandalous part of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Now, I think it has to do with the live disc product.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. This is the scandal. This is the Bill O'Reilly Show. Now we have a brand new thing for concierge and premium members called Tip of the Day, what starts tomorrow.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

And every day on the website, I'm going to put a tip that will make your life better. That's a lot of tips. Some of them be frothy entertainment.

[Adam Curry]

There's a good book to read, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

A good movie to see. Whatever, man. That kind of thing. But some will be important. Okay. Just for concierge and premium members. We should be doing it for premium members.

[Adam Curry]

Concierge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Concierge.

[Adam Curry]

And the Bundle, the no Agenda Bundle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Concierge members of the no Agenda show get their Tip of the Day, but only if you're a concierge member. Man, that guy just ripped us off. Ripped us off?

[Adam Curry]

He ripped off Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dana Brunetti should be outraged. He should send him a cease and desist.

[Adam Curry]

I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last year, Camuso and the Washington University Environmental Law Clinic analyzed the Corps cleanup plans. Not only are they concerned about the slow pace, they say the Corps is leaving behind nearly three times more radioactive isotopes than the Department of Energy said is safe.

[Martha Radnick]

What they're finding is mostly thorium 230, and that is an alpha emitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does that mean?

[Martha Radnick]

So basically, it becomes dangerous when you inhale or ingest it. And once it's in your body, it will continue to fire for the rest of your life.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Corps told us their cleanup plans are safe, but the Environmental Protection Agency wasn't convinced. CBS News found that in 2020, EPA scientists asked the Corps for specific data on the contamination. But the Corps did not respond to those requests.

[Martha Radnick]

Everybody has been touched by this legacy, and I feel it's a responsibility of mine. Now that I know this information, I can't just sit on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Corps has promised an update on.

[Adam Curry]

The contamination in four months when it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Set to publish its latest five year review. But while the people here wait for.

[Adam Curry]

The threat to be dealt with, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Creek continues to flow okay, so I can't see that any other way than that's oil and gas. Like, ah, let's get something going. What do we. Hey, remember that thing we had in Pennsylvania in the 70s? Let's bring that back. You got anybody who's dying of cancer? Let me see. Yeah, we got this.

[Adam Curry]

Actually an interesting theory of yours because that doesn't really benefit anybody to do these stories except oil and gas. Now we had the same thing around here. We have a nuclear waste dump. Dump on Treasure island in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

I remember in one corner I know exactly where it is. And they supposedly buried it or just I don't know what they did. But now they put buildings over there because they've privatized the island and didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

This wasn't Google or something going to buy that at some point. Remember something like that.

[Adam Curry]

There's a bunch of these around and it's all military. You know, the military or the vaunted military, they get, get a hold of something and they'll, they don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

So lots of fear mongering. I only have the opening which will tell you. Enough. 60 Minutes. Now, of course we need to blame everything on Trump. Bird flu has been circling the globe for decades. So the discovery in 2024. This is so good. That the deadly pathogen had jumped from a wild bird to a cow came as a shock to virus watchers. It came as a shock to. Hey, how many virus watchers do you know? Be quiet. I'm watching a virus now. In just over a year, the virus has ripped through America's dairy herds and poultry flocks. It has jumped to other mammals, including humans. It has jumped to other mammals, including humans, implying it could jump from human to human. This is an obvious pharma segment here. Seventy Americans have caught the virus. One has died. Long feared as a possible pandemic, doctors and veterinarians fighting the virus told us Biden's government was slow to act while the Trump administration. Administration has now laid off more than a hundred key scientists as the virus keeps spreading.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when you die, you know who to blame. When, when we create, when we create this, you'll know who to blame. The question is, can we actually ramp up another pandemic now that the World Health Organization is falling apart?

[Martha Radnick]

He described a large sudden drop in funding in US Foreign aid as severe. The United Nations Health Agency has no choice but to sash jobs and operations. The refusal of the US to pay its assessed contributions for 2024 and 2025, combined with reductions in official Development assistance by some other countries means we are facing a salary gap for the 2026, 27 salary.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is about the. For some reason the beginning got cut off, but it's about the World Health Organization saying they have to lay off people. But listen to the.

[Adam Curry]

I thought Bill Gates was financing this and the Chinese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do we have anything to do with when numbers. You'll understand why some other countries means.

[Martha Radnick]

We are facing a salary gap for the 2026, 27 biennium of between 560 and 650 million dollars. In addition to stopping contra.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's half a billion dollars salaries alone.

[Martha Radnick]

The Trump administration plans to fully withdraw from the organization next January. In remarks to member states, the WHO chief Dr. Tedros said they would be saying goodbye to a significant number of colleagues. He said the funding gap represented about 25% of staff costs.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's only 25%. Their salary is $2 billion a year.

[Adam Curry]

For what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. They've got. The video shows buildings everywhere. What are they doing? They actually explain what they do.

[Martha Radnick]

Stress that did not mean a 25% cut in the number of positions the leadership team in the organization's headquarters will be reduced. And there's a possibility some WHO offices in wealthier countries will be closed. The agency which coordinates the world's response to health emergencies prevents disease and expands access.

[John C. Dvorak]

It prevents disease. Don't you hear that they do that? Yeah. With the $2 billion, apparently their countries will be closed.

[Martha Radnick]

The agency which coordinates the world's response to health emergencies prevents disease and expands access to healthcare needs to reduce its activities and re center on its core functions. The news comes shortly after WHO member countries finalized an historic agreement to help prevent the next pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they were going to help prevent the next pandemic with an agreement. They have paper.

[Adam Curry]

So how many great pandemics have we had over history?

[John C. Dvorak]

Two.

[Adam Curry]

Well, recent history had two. We had the. The Spanish flu in 1917. Then we had 100 years later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we had another.

[Adam Curry]

So it's about every hundred years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So two that I can recall. And we had the Black Plague.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, that's way before that was, I think the 1400s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was Elizabeth the Great.

[Adam Curry]

But there was a Elizabeth Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was great. What was her name? It was Elizabeth the Great. I know him, right?

[Adam Curry]

It was no Elizabeth the Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it was. Yes. Her name of Russia.

[Adam Curry]

Catherine the Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I mean. Her name was Catherine. Elizabeth the Great.

[Adam Curry]

Catherine, Elizabeth. Good Catholic girl. Mary Ellen Elizabeth. Catherine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Catherine. Elizabeth the Great.

[Adam Curry]

So that's why?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's two of us, everybody, just so you know.

[Adam Curry]

So they happen about every hundred years, maybe, but they keep trying to make them happen. This is what it looks like to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And here's.

[Adam Curry]

And so we cut our. We just say, hey, get lost, you guys. And next thing you know, they're going out of business because we. The sole support of this operation is the U.S. taxpayer. The sole support for all these bogus agencies and government operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Doge now has saved $151 billion. It's good news. That's how you need to look at it. $150 billion. 1 billion or 2. Let's call it 2 billion. So a little more than 1% funded the entire WHO. Just imagine what that 150 billion could be funding. What kind of nonsense? And the outflows of that funding of nonsense probably creates a lot more issues for people, certainly in the United States. But there's more because now we have to keep on hammering away at Bobby.

[Martha Radnick]

The OP Misinformation about measles is spreading fast and new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spreading fast.

[Martha Radnick]

Parents are not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's spreading like.

[Adam Curry]

It's not measles, though. It's the misinformation. Yes, that's spreading fast. But I like the way they. They put it together in such a way where it. Where in your brain. It sounds like measles is spreading fast. This is another one of these tricks we keep finding.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good.

[Adam Curry]

Misinformation of measles is spreading fast because if you take them, if you chop the sentence up, it just says measles is spreading fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great. Is perfect.

[Martha Radnick]

Misinformation about measles is spreading fast. A new poll shows parents are not sure what to believe about the measles vaccine. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Has amplified some misconceptions about a link between the vaccine and the diagnosis.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's another tricky word. He has amplified. Other people were saying, but he has amplified it with his amp. He's got an amp. The guy can barely talk.

[Martha Radnick]

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Has amplified some misconceptions about a link between the vaccine and the diagnosis of autism. An estimated six out of 10 adults have heard a false claim about the measles vaccine. Uncertainty has led some parents to delay or skip getting their child vaccinated altogether. There have been 800 confirmed measles cases across 24 states so far this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forgot to mention how many dead. So the memory is a funny thing. We. I have been mentioning often about Robert De Niro that he pulled a documentary from his Tribeca Film Festival. And I thought that he had created. That he was a documentary that he had created. And I knew that he had an autistic son. And, you know, so I've been in fact spouting misinformation. It's much worse. One of our producers sent me the OG clip from, I think it's the NBC Today show where De Niro and his co founder of the Tribeca Film Festival, Rosenthal is her name, where they came on to explain what happened. This. To think that this is Robert De Niro. Just keep that in your brain. This is Robert Dinero. Now this is. I think this is 2015. Maybe it's at least 10 years old. But listen to this. Oh, this is. It may even be older than that. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean older than pre Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's way older. It's pre Trump for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Pre Trump is all we need.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pre Trump is all you need to know.

[Martha Radnick]

There was a bit of controversy, some headlines at the beginning of this year's festival when it was announced that this film called Vaxxed would be screened at the festival later, the festival pulled it. Was it because of the backlash? Were you surprised that people reacted the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way that they did?

[Craig Vaughn]

I was shooting a movie, I was in the middle of a lot of stuff. I think the movie is something that people should see. There was a backlash which I haven't fully explored and I will, but. And I didn't want it to start affecting the festival in ways that I couldn't see. But definitely there's something to that movie. And there's another movie called Trace Amounts and these. There's a lot of information about things that are happening with the cdc, the pharmaceutical companies. There's a lot of things that are not said. I, as a parent of a child who has autism, am concerned and I want to know the truth. And I'm not anti vaccine. I want safe vaccines. When you get. Some people can't get a certain type of shot and they can die from it, you know, even penicillin. So why should that not be with vaccines, which it isn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you said you went public for the first time saying that your 18 year old son does have autism.

[Adam Curry]

That have been a very private thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

For you and part of the reason you wanted this film shown was to start that conversation.

[Craig Vaughn]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Do you believe you'll now have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Role in that conversation going forward?

[Craig Vaughn]

Possibly, yes. Because the thing is, if they shut it down, there's no reason to. If you're scientists. Let's see. Let's hear. Everybody doesn't seem to want to hear much about it. It's shut down. And you, you guys are the ones that should be the investigating. Do the investigating.

[John C. Dvorak]

So a couple things here. One, the documentary called Vax, that's a Del Big Tree documentary. That was his first big breakthrough. Del Big Tree, who of course, you know, produced the Doctors and all these different shows. And it was his. It's a great documentary. So the backlash. Now do you remember where the backlash came from?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Neither did I. But his co founder of the festival, Rosenthal, explains it.

[Martha Radnick]

I think the film was controversial because people felt that the filmmaker had been discredited.

[Craig Vaughn]

Even he, I'm not so sure about at the end of the day, even him, Jane.

[Martha Radnick]

Well, one thing it wasn't, it was there weren't sponsors or donors that were threatening to pull out of the film festival. It was our filmmakers, and we're known for having amazing documentary films. You can take a look at our lineup, whether it's what we're starting with tonight or some other documentaries that are, you know, equally controversial that we have at the festival. So it was our filmmakers that pull our pull that we're pulling out.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was the filmmakers themselves who said, oh, if you air that documentary, I'm pulling out. I don't understand that at all.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there should be more documentation of this. Who were these filmmakers that were pulling out?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you asked.

[Craig Vaughn]

It's a beautiful film, but it's another thing it's the result of. It's not about. It's not questioning how people, people, some people got autism, how the vaccines are dangerous if not given dangerous to certain people who are more susceptible. And they don't. Nobody seems to want to address that or they say they've addressed it and it's a closed issue, but it doesn't seem to be because there are many people who will come out and say no. I saw my kid change, like overnight. I saw what happened and I should have done something and I didn't. So there's more to this than, than meets the eye, believe me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that the experience you had, Robert? Something changed overnight?

[Craig Vaughn]

My wife says that I don't remember, but there was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I.

[Craig Vaughn]

My child is autistic and every kid is different. But there is something there. There's something there that people aren't addressing. And for me to get so upset here today on the Today show with you guys means there's something there. That's all I wanted was the movie to be Seen. People can make their own judgment, but you must see it. And other, there are other films, other things that also just document and show, you know, it's not such a simple thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, the, the, the, the answer, your question comes in this final clip. But, but, but, but please don't. You know, Mr. De Niro, the science is in Robert. It is nearly consensus in the scientific community that there's no link there. Do you believe that's not true? I don't.

[Craig Vaughn]

I believe it's much true.

[John C. Dvorak]

More complicated than that.

[Craig Vaughn]

It's much more complicated than that. There is a link and they're saying there isn't. But there's certain things. The obvious one is thimerosal, which is mercury based preservative. But there are other things there that I don't know. I'm not a scientist, but I know because I've seen so much reaction about just let's find out the truth. Let's just find out the truth. I'm not, you know, I'm not anti vaccine as I say, but I'm pro safe vaccine. And there are some people who cannot take a vaccine and they have to be found out and warned that they just don't give a kid a bunch of shots. And then something happens. Some parents even in this documentary say, I knew I shouldn't have done it. I knew I shouldn't have done it. I talked to the doctor. He's the doctor. I should listen. I should listen. I did it the next day. Imagine how the parent feels.

[John C. Dvorak]

The worry is that people who hear.

[Martha Radnick]

Those words and wonder about it will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then not have their child vaccinated, which has led to a higher incidence of things like mumps and measles.

[Martha Radnick]

That kind of.

[Craig Vaughn]

I don't know if those statistics are accurate. I'm not the one to say, but I would question even that there's a kind of a hysteria, the knee jerk reaction. Let's see. As I say, everyone should have the choice to take vaccines. Some places becoming mandatory. But it does benefit the big drug companies, funnily enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, sorry. He didn't answer the question. He said he didn't know who the filmmakers were.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think it would be nice to bring up the liability thing, which I think would be. But, but nobody wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

But imagine, imagine De Niro saying that now today people would lose their ever loving minds.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well he said it then.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then, and then they showed him a picture and he shut up real quick.

[Adam Curry]

Something happened. It's like probably him and Jenny McCarthy. Picture of two of them. I have the autism update clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, let's go.

[Martha Radnick]

National Institutes of Health Director J. Bhattacharya says the project that will study the causes of autism will take longer than initially indicated. NTD correspondent Jason Blake. NIH Director Jay Bhattacharya says that the study looking into the causes of autism will take a little longer than the projected September date by Secretary of Health Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Bhattacharya says that he thinks preliminary results will be pulled out within a year. The NIH will be leading the project that is expected to be formally announced within two weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to announce a series of new studies, studies to identify precisely what the environmental toxins are that are causing it. This has not been done before.

[Martha Radnick]

Bhattacharya says that he thinks to answer the question of why autism is rising, there needs to be large samples of people. He says that they'd like to, quote, get access to the medical records of a large portion of the American population. And these records would be a very important part of the study. Dr. Bhattacharya says the reason that autism is rising is a question that is at the front of the minds of so many parents across the country worried about their kids. And yet scientific progress on this has been slow because scientists are frankly scared to ask the question. Bhattacharya said that the budget for the study has not been set yet. And Health Director Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Says that the Health Department will be restoring their Freedom of Information act, or FOIA offices.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're going to try to get as close as we can to total transparency.

[Martha Radnick]

DHS told ntd, sister media, the Epoch Times, that these cuts were part of streamlining operations and improving efficiency and that the FOIA offices within the agency did not communicate with each other or report to the department.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. Papers that we produce in this agency do not belong to us. They belong to the American people, man.

[Adam Curry]

So they had the FOIA offices weren't producing any of the documents that people asked for?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no. Why would you.

[Adam Curry]

This whole thing is.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is correct.

[Adam Curry]

The most corrupt thing I've ever seen is the entire Health and Human Services Division.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and the.

[Adam Curry]

And the. And the tentacles of the pharmaceutical companies. Yeah, the whole thing's ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Headline. The top CDC vaccine safety officers records appear to have gone missing. How about that? How about that?

[Adam Curry]

The records of the payments from Big.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pharma, the pay stubs. Oh, Bobby, the op was very busy. This has also been a long time coming, from cereal to snacks to juices and yogurt.

[Martha Radnick]

It's hard to shop for items that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don'T contain artificial dyes when you've got mouths to feed kids who are protecting. Nice, nice. Nat Pop. Did you catch that?

[Adam Curry]

I like it. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Artificial dyes. When you like, you don't. So listen to this report. But when you have mouse to feeds mommy, you don't care if there's poison in there. You need to feed your kid because your kid's going mommy.

[Martha Radnick]

For items that don't contain artificial dyes.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you've got mouths to feed kids who are potentially adversely affected. Some of what prompted a big step Tuesday to phase out the remaining eight synthetic dyes from America's food supply by the end of next year. We're going to try to work with Congress and the White House to make sure that we have adequate labeling so mothers who go into the grocery stores know what is good for their children and what is not. Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr.

[Martha Radnick]

And the FDA announcing a national standard and timeline for the food industry to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Transition from petroleum based dyes to natural alternatives. Petrol. I didn't know that they were petroleum based. Yeah, it's just oil.

[Adam Curry]

You can do amazing things with. With crude oil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Petroleum based dyes to natural alternatives. The FDA is starting starting the process to revoke authorization for citrus red number 2 and orange B in the coming months and authorizing four new natural color additives in the coming weeks. Do you know what the natural color additives are?

[Adam Curry]

A lot of it comes from beetles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's not what the. What the guy said. Stand by.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of vegetables. Beet is a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's a good one. Yeah. That close. Close it is in the coming weeks. For companies that are currently using petroleum based red dye. Try watermelon juice. Yeah, watermelon juice.

[Adam Curry]

Watermelon.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has a little cup of watermelon juice. All red and sappy.

[Martha Radnick]

Several dyes have been linked to behavioral.

[John C. Dvorak]

Issues in children or have been shown to cause cancer in mice.

[Martha Radnick]

Not yet in humans, but other countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have already banned the additives. These. The FDA is also partnering with the National Institutes of Health to find out what those dyes are really doing to children. Yeah, Nothing good.

[Adam Curry]

No, a lot of the kids. There are examples of kids that red dye number two, I think is the one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It gets them all riled up for some reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there was a huge study published in jama. Jama. This is a Journal of American Medical Association.

[Adam Curry]

I thought that was should be in the RICO deal. What would happen to that? Well, I Don't know Kennedy's promise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they published this and this was a study, population based study. Now this is Finnish citizens from the FINNS Born between January 1st, 1985 and December 30th, December 31st, 1997, whose demographic, health and school information were linked from nationwide register. And they followed these kids up until their 17th year. And the question that they asked, the question of this study was, is having peers with a mental disorder in the same social network during adolescence associated with later risk of mental disorder? And mental disorder of course, is everything that you can imagine it is from ADHD to eating disorders to cutting to all this stuff. And so the findings, very short conclusion. Yes, the findings say that mental disorders might, I'll give that to them, might be transmitted with adolescent peer networks. And the only thing I can think as I'm reading through the study is social networks. This turbocharges this contagion.

[Adam Curry]

Social contagion. Social contagion affects teenage girls more than anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And so this is quite the study. I mean there's a lot of, you know, this is pretty robust data. And yes, there is an. Classmates diagnosed with a mental disorder in the ninth grade of comprehensive school was associated with increased risk of receiving a mental disorder diagnosis later in life.

[Adam Curry]

This would account for all the dancing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's more than dancing, but yes, yes, this is what social media is doing to your kids, literally social networks. And they weren't even, they didn't even have social media when they were doing this. This was just kids hanging out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they should do the study again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they'll never, they'll never let that happen when they find out the truth of that. Oh, it's going to be so bad. Gonna be bad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it'd be so bad for my clippage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, give it, give us, give us some examples of social contagion. John, do you have any trans Maoism TikTok clips to share?

[Adam Curry]

Actually I do have some trans Maoism TikTok clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

And I want to start with this one. This, I got three clips and this is the one we start with trans wisdom. This is a, this is a very handsome looking girl giving us a some thoughts about where trans is really headed.

[Martha Radnick]

Just so that we're all abundantly clear here, not only are trans people sacred, they are wildly, wildly evolved human beings. I'm going to invite you to imagine for a moment the amount of strength, courage, self knowing and profound self development that is required in order to walk through the world in your authentic embodiment. Knowing. Knowing that Most people will deeply misunderstand you. The average person will not walk through the world in their authentic embodiment, knowing that even one or two people in their circle will misunderstand them. From a psychological and a spiritual perspective, there is absolutely, other than love, nothing more important or more valuable than authenticity. That's why we come here into human bodies. We come here to self actualize, to know who we truly are, and to live as our authentic selves. That's the whole point. Trans people are wildly evolved, and one day we will understand them as wisdom keepers, and we will bow at their feet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, wow, wow. All right, I'm gonna give it to you. That was well worth it. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I did not expect that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's interesting that, you know, to walk boldly with your transness as who you are spiritually as a person is completely okay, but don't try that as a Christian. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's a good example of. Of this kind of wisdom that we're all going to bow down to from a trans person. And this is the misgendered clip.

[Martha Radnick]

Don't understand what is so hard about correcting other people when they misgender others. Like, it takes you, like, two seconds. But you know what it takes for me to have to constantly do that? A lot of unnecessary emotional labor that I already have to take on on a daily basis just to exist and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be who I am.

[Martha Radnick]

But you don't have the energy to speak up and say something on my behalf.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, tell me she had a GoFundMe. She needs to go fund me. She needs. She needs.

[Adam Curry]

She needs to go fund me. Well, let's take another level up to another transgender.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, there's more. There's more.

[Adam Curry]

Who also, that would be, I guess, looking for great spiritual wisdom from. From this person.

[Martha Radnick]

So I'm coming home from a bar, and I was kissing this straight guy. He wanted to take me to his house because, you know, he really liked me, and I told him I was on my period, but that's not true. I don't get my period. I just didn't want to tell them that I was trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

So these are kind of trans geniuses out there that we have to bow down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bow down to.

[Adam Curry]

They are going to bow down.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will be the leaders of the free world.

[Adam Curry]

Their wisdom. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And they will be. Well, probably the most email topic I received over the past week. I'm sure you can guess what it is.

[Adam Curry]

No, I can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, who's the next pope going to be? Curry? Come On. Okay, Curry, who's the next Pope? You got to know who's the Pope? You're the one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is. I didn't guess that I could have because in fact I was going to bring it up. I don't have it on my list, but I was going to bring it up with you. Although we have a week or so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, no, we have a couple more. Couple weeks. A couple weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Couple weeks. We got a couple. Well, we have a week before. You have to make the prediction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Can't do it after the.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, that would, that would not be a prediction. That would be lame. No, that would not be good. And it's a tough one for me. But first let's, let's play some clips and see if we can get some insight.

[Martha Radnick]

Francis is the next head of the Catholic Church. A few names are already being mentioned. First, the Vatican Secretary, Secretary of State, 70 year old Pietro Parolin. He's an experienced diplomat and seen as a compromise candidate between progressives and conservatives. Another Italian, Matteo Maria Zuppi, the Archbishop of Bologna is also a possibility. Like Francis, the 69 year old Cardinal is known for his social commitment to migrants and the poor and cares little about pomp and protocol. Outside Europe. There's Cardinal Sergio de Rocha from Brazil, or Luis Antonio Tagle in the Philippines.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will enter a conclave in a few weeks. Men who come from Ulaanbaatar, Lesotho, East Timor, so truly from the four corners of the world with concerns that will not be those of the European heavyweights.

[Martha Radnick]

It's not just where the next Pope comes from, but also what direction that Pope takes the Church. Could the keys be given to an Jean Marc Aveline? The Archbishop of Marseille shares the same views on immigration and church relations with other religions as Francis. On the other hand, the College of Cardinals could choose a more conservative leaning Pope like Robert Serra, shown on the left, or German Gerhard Muller. There's also politics at play. We must not underestimate the influence of the Catholic Church's very large financial sources, which can come also from the United States, from Africa and elsewhere, and which want to refocus the Church. They want to get even with the Pope who wanted to decentralize his church and who wanted a church that reflected the poorest and those who suffer. Whoever is selected, the choice of the future Pope will send a strong signal in a context of growing tension within the Church.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there was a couple listed there. The list is quite long of possibilities. Thank you all for sending me all. And by the way, the the prophecy of the last pope. That's a good one. Oh, man. It's like if it's Peter of Rome, then this will be the last Pope. And then the end times are here. A lot of that.

[Adam Curry]

The guy talking about Pietro Parolin, what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the last pope?

[Adam Curry]

Is that going to be the last guy? Because he's the Italian that's in the running.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so the prophecy of the last.

[Adam Curry]

Pope, where did this come from? Where did the prophecy last pope appear?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it appeared in my email a million times.

[Adam Curry]

It appeared in the email.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the email he had the prophecy. Let me see. It's the Malachi prophecy. Saint Malachi apparently made prophet.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently, yes. We're just assuming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made prophecy of the end times by Roman Catholic Archbishop Malachi. You know, there's a whole theory behind it and I'm sorry, I just don't buy any of that. Now, actually, I will reveal my prediction today. I might as well get it in early. I have to say I'm very conflicted. The last time I predicted the Pope, I was only politically minded and you know, I was just looking at, okay, Jesuit, makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

We're doing it the way we pick soccer games.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. So. But I'm conflicted because, well, it was this report that, that at the end of the report that gave me some pause to think about it because you would hope me as a believer that God would have his hand on this and that he would pick a good person. Now, I'm not a Catholic and I have my questions about, you know, is the Pope really the guy that talk. Please don't email. Is the guy that, you know, he talks to God?

[Adam Curry]

Adam McCrary.com AdamCray.com I'm not going to answer it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm not a Catholic. I just don't think that there's any guy who's going to be bigger than anybody else. But if that's your thing, that's fine. People believe in John Smith and in Mormon church, whatever. It's all good. I got my own thing going. I'm not a member of religion, but I do think there's a guy in Africa. And it was the first thing that came to mind. And I saw this report from Deutsche Welle, although he's not mentioned, interestingly enough, I think I can give you my prediction. Let's listen to this. Pope Francis was seen by many Africans as a champion of the continent. Francis anti colonial stance and fierce criticism of imperialism won him many fans there. Now with his passing, many are asking if it is time for the first African pope. Some African contenders names have been circulating, but it remains unclear how much of a chance they really have.

[Martha Radnick]

In the heart of the Kenyan capital of Nairobi, hundreds of Catholics gather to bid a final farewell to a man who they felt spoke out for Africa with his fierce criticism of imperialism, colonialism and global inequality. Pope Francis became a voice for the continent. He was the first Latin American pope. Now many here feel that an African pope is not a question of if, but when. Among the African contenders for the papacy are Cardinal Peter Turkson, who was Pope Benedict, Benedict's peace envoy to South Sudan. He has spoken out against criminalizing homosexuality. Another candidate is the Archbishop of Kinshasa, Fridolin Ambongo Vesungo of global oil and mining companies. Both no respect of Pope Francis. Many hope that if elected, they would continue his legacy. But the final choice, according to millions of Catholic Catholics, is not solely up to the cardinals.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we believe is that the whole process of electing a pope is not simply in the hands of the cardinals who do it. We believe that it is in the hands of the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit moves and acts in the church in order to provide us with the leader that we need at any point in time.

[Martha Radnick]

The Vatican says that over the past year, 7 million Africans have converted to Catholicism, making the continent one of the fastest growing regions for the Church. Many in Africa believe Pope Francis was one of the main reasons for this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think that's true. A lot of Catholics don't like Pope Francis, but the guy not mentioned is the guy I'm going to predict. And it's just, it's been on my heart, been on my mind forever since the first time I looked at the list, like, this is the guy. Have you. You, I think I even mentioned on the show and you scoffed at me because you probably would.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that would sound like me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I believe it will be Cardinal Robert Sarah or Sarah S A R A H. He's from guinea, which is West Africa and he's almost 80. So not a big risk. Not a big risk.

[Adam Curry]

That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a big risk.

[Adam Curry]

You want that?

[John C. Dvorak]

He is. He's outspoken, he's funny. He speaks Italian, English, French and Guinea Spanish. So French, English, Spanish and Italian fluently. He is against he called gender ideology radicalization that threatens the family.

[Adam Curry]

That's Robert. Sarah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Robert Sarah S A R A H. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robert Sarah. He is going to be my prediction for Pope.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I have the list of next Pope. I talked about this on the DHM Plug show. You didn't listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm sorry. I will, though, because I've got to hear what Horowitz said so I can lash out.

[Adam Curry]

This is the list that I receive as part because I'm on mailing list that you can't believe. The oddspr.com I believe it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe you're on the mailing list. The pope mailing list. Yes. It fires up once every 40 years. It's a great list.

[Adam Curry]

This is the list, in order of the next pope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Odds, odds. Oh, I have odds. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The even, even bet is Louis Tagley, the Filipino.

[John C. Dvorak]

Philippines. Yes. I would say. I understand why they're saying he's a possibility.

[Adam Curry]

The number two pick on the list, two to one odds, is Pietro Apparel in. The guy, the Italian guy who is the, you know, the diplomat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He would be the last pope. That would be the one pope that.

[Adam Curry]

I would pick if I was picking popes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you're not picking popes.

[Adam Curry]

He's a. No, I'm not. I'm obviously not picking pope. I'm the pope picker, and he is. Horowitz even said that he'd bet on this guy because about time we went back to the Italians being the Pope.

[John C. Dvorak]

But.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's assume that's not going to happen. It falls off rather quickly after that. Mateo Zuppi comes in at 6 to 1 odds. And then a couple. 6 to 1. 6 to 1. 6 to one. Then we get to Mark Ouelette 10 to 1. And your man Robert Serra is on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's there. He's on the list. Not in the media reports, but he's on the list.

[Adam Curry]

He's on the list at 10 to 1.

[John C. Dvorak]

10 to 1. Place your bets.

[Adam Curry]

So it's not. It's not a long shot by any means. I mean, it goes up to guys like Malcolm Ranif at 25 to 1. There's a whole bunch of 50 to 1 for Lauro TC and Lauro with an O. Wilfred Napier is 50 to 1. Mario or Maro Plusenza is 50. There's a lot of these. So he's 10 to 1. So he's not a complete dark horse that you picked, and it's interesting that you picked him at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, I think that they want. Hey. Oh, hey. Let's get a schwartze in there.

[Adam Curry]

I like the idea of. I like the basic thinking. Because he's so old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That. Here's your. We bring our token black guy and finally bring a black guy in who's gonna die. Any minute. And that is the way the church would think. Yeah, yeah, smart money. Because we after that Polish guy, they are very. Larry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We don't want anyone hanging around too long.

[Adam Curry]

We like was around too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

We like the conclave thing. It's a lot of fun. We get good food.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just in case you are wondering, thank you. Euro news. No, it's fake news. JD Vance did not kill the Pope.

[Martha Radnick]

In the wake of Pope Francis death, tributes have been flooding social media, including from U.S. vice President J.D. vance. Having been one of the last people to hold an audience with Pope Francis before his death, J.D. vance wrote on X. I just learned of the passing of Pope Francis. I was happy to see him yesterday. Although he was obviously very ill due to the timing of this meeting. Many were the jokes turned conspiracy theories that this meeting has sparked. Claiming that J. Devance killed Pope Francis. Others claiming, can you meet with Putin next. Amplifying these jokes was none other than J.F. kennedy's grandson, Jack Schlossberg. He writes a similar claim on X saying Jade, okay, JD Killed the Pope. As he also posted this image on Instagram with the caption that reads, what did JD do? VP of little faith meets with Pope yesterday. Today Pope dies. So not much debunking to do here needed on this one. These are fake claims. The Vatican reports there was no foul play, but Pope Francis had been ill, admitted to rome Hospital on February 14 for life threatening pneumonia where he was. Although he was able to hang on to one final Easter as he delighted the crowds at the Vatican with a surprise Easter blessing on Sunday and what is now known as his final public appearance.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that they spend so much time on that.

[Adam Curry]

How did they do that? How do they have. Who's the editor of this operation? This is not a story. This is a bogus story.

[John C. Dvorak]

She had a big smart board and she was showing, you know, swiping up these tweets and, and building big X's on it. And. Oh yeah, it's, it's called Verify. It's the Verify segment. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that. They got that from France 24. We had that. I used to play a couple of clips from that myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

The BBC has a whole show that does it now. It's like misinformation, debunking everything, by the way. Right, right on cue. Amazing. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, the season of Reveal.

[Martha Radnick]

She stayed silent for over 30, 30 years. Now Helene Perlant, daughter of French Prime Minister Francois Bairou, is speaking out in an interview with Perry Match magazine. She Reveals she was a victim of physical violence by a priest at a Catholic school summer camp. One evening, while we were unpacking our sleeping bags, he suddenly grabbed me by the hair. He dragged me along the ground for several meters and punched and kicked me all over my body. It's better, especially in the stomach. Perla was 14 years old at the time. She claims she said nothing to her father to protect him from political repercussions. This former student was in the same class as Francois Bairou's son, the victim's brother. He encouraged her to speak out, to no avail.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that because children's voices weren't listened to at the time, she wasn't able to express herself at home. She may have wanted to protect her father too, but perhaps Francois Bayroux wasn't very present at home due to his political duties. And as a child, she wanted to protect her father.

[Martha Radnick]

On May 14, Francois Bairou is set to testify before a parliamentary commission investigating abuse in the Catholic congregation that ran the summer camp. Byroux says he had no knowledge of the physical and sexual assaults reported by 200 former students of the congregation's Noche Madame de Betaram school.

[John C. Dvorak]

To talk about burying the lead. 200. 200.

[Adam Curry]

It was burying the lead.

[John C. Dvorak]

My, that's really.

[Adam Curry]

With the very end.

[John C. Dvorak]

My God, you know, Pope Sarah, he'll take care of all that nonsense. He'll clean all that out. What's he got to lose? He's from a different continent. He's got millions of Africans behind him. It'll lift up all of Africa. Yeah, another. Not a death, but resignation, of course. We need to just discuss. Is Klaus Schwab stepping down as.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, this. I don't have any clips on this, but yes, This I thought was fundamental.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't have clips, but apparently there's a report that Schwab stepped down after the World Economic Forum's board of trustees called for his resignation internally because of all kinds of corruption. Corruption? He.

[Adam Curry]

You take one look at that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't think of corruption, financial and ethical misconduct. So there's a letter apparently floating out there that Schwab used the organization's funds for personal expenses, instructed junior staff to withdraw cash for private use, including massages. Massages during official trips. I need a massage. Get one of those.

[Adam Curry]

It's not like he's buying, you know, fleets of Rolls Royces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also alleged that Hilda, his wife, used WEF money for luxury hotel stays during personal trips. Well, that's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

What you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do. I've had a. I had a company credit card. I used to take you out to expensive lunches all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You had a company credit card.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

And it. And which had the on it. No sweat off my balls written right on there. I thought that was. I don't know how you manage that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't recall that. But I'll take it as gospel from you any day. Yes, it's what you do. But he's gone. Ding dong, the witch is dead. I think that breaks the whole organization. Without Schwab, it's not fun to make fun unless they get a real good good guy, you know, bad. Another like evil person to step in. But I haven't seen anyone who even comes close to what Schwab was.

[Adam Curry]

David Hogg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now that would be awesome.

[Adam Curry]

That would be awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be fantastic. Yeah, we can. We can only hope for that. You got anything else before we take a break here?

[Adam Curry]

Some pre break stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pre break stuff. It can be anything. It's all. The floor is yours. I yield the remainder of my time to the distinguished gentleman from Berkeley.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a couple of things. This is just a short clip, but it's worth playing. This is the EU doing its thing and gouging Apple and Meta just for no good reason.

[Martha Radnick]

The European Commission fined Apple $570 million and Meta nearly 230 million. It comes after a ruling that both companies had restricted, restricted customer choices and violated the European Union's Digital Markets Act. Member of European Parliament Andreas Schwab said European law is becoming very costly for companies that don't obey it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The message is very clear. Competition matters.

[Martha Radnick]

Open societies need open markets.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an important message for Europe, but also for the us and we hope to endeavour with these decisions to get more so services for our citizens.

[Martha Radnick]

The Digital Markets act, or dma, seeks to ensure that large gatekeeper platforms operate in a fair way and allow room for competitors. The European Commission found Apple imposed restrictions on developers which meant they could not take full benefit of distribution channels other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than Apple's App Store.

[Martha Radnick]

As For Meta, the EU's fines relate to the company's consent or pay advertising model. EU users of Instagram and Facebook had to choose between consent for Meta to use their private data for advertising pricing or pay a monthly subscription for an ad free service. Under the dma, gatekeeper platforms must provide a less personalized but equivalent alternative to users who do not consent to the usage of their personal data. A Meta spokesperson told the Epoch Times that the European Commission is attempting to handicap successful American businesses while allowing Chinese and European companies to operate under different standards. In a statement to Reuters, Apple said it would challenge the EU fine and called it another example of being unfairly targeted in decisions that are bad for the privacy and security of users. The fines come amid trade tensions between the United States and the eu, notably the tariffs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut them off. Just shut them off.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't let them use our stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I do have two clips that I think would be more appropriate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just stay on Big Tech for a second or are they also Big Tech?

[Adam Curry]

No, stay on Big Tech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very concerning executive order was signed yesterday. I don't like this one at all. President Trump signed seven executive orders on education. One order targets the federal government's process for deciding what colleges and universities can access billions of dollars in federal student loans and Pell grants, which go to poorer students. It also he also directs the US Attorney General and Secretary of Education to investigate unlawful discrimination by higher education institutions. The President also signed an executive order aimed at bringing artificial intelligence into K through 12 schools.

[Adam Curry]

What is it you don't like? You don't like the AI part?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's horrible. Like, well, this. So all these guys, all the guys who were in there, they finally got what they wanted. Now, of course it's a task force, so it's not done yet, but they have 90 days to come up with plans for the Presidential Artificial Intelligence Challenge. The challenge shall encourage and highlight student educator achievements in AI, provoke wide geographic adoption of technological advancement and foster collaboration between government, academia, philanthropy and industry to address national challenges with AI solutions.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't, I didn't pay attention to that when it, the whole thing to be honest about it. And it's nice to know that you're on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's, it's, it's, it's, it makes me.

[Adam Curry]

Part of your a, your, your one man fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fight against AI. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You're Don Quixote approach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tilting at windmills within 120 days. This is long. I'll just, I'm just highlighting some things within 120 days of the day. This order Director of the NSF shall take steps to prioritize research on the use of. Research on the use of AI in education. Oh yes, they're going to use it in, in, in the schools. Utilize existing programs to create teacher training opportunities that help educators effectively integrate AI based tools and modalities in classrooms. We're gonna home go homeschool when I.

[Adam Curry]

Was a kid, they wouldn't let us have a calculator in the school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. And it's all going to be public private partnerships. It's a bonanza. I see this really as a bailout. Bailout of this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

It hasn't even jumped a shark yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I don't like it. It's troubling to me. It's troubling.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it is. I knew that that would be the case. Two quickies and then we can go. All right, now, this is Scott Besant. He came and went and gave a lecture to the imf.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is our treasury secretary. The treasury secretary.

[Adam Curry]

He's the guy. He's the money guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a money guy.

[Adam Curry]

I have two versions of the same presentation. This one's NPR and one's ntd. And I want to play them back to back, but Bessant lectured the IMF about how screwed up they are. And I thought the NTD was so much better than npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just help me. You have two. Besant.

[Adam Curry]

Those are dupes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. They're dupes. All right, good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, the Dan PR clip is the one that you'll start with.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. All right, here we go.

[Martha Radnick]

Treasury Secretary Scott Besant says the US Wants to remain a leader in the global economy, even as President Trump's tariffs cast a cloud over worldwide trade. NPR's Scott Horsley reports. Bessen spoke this morning on the sidelines of a global economic summit.

[Adam Curry]

Bessen addressed a gathering of the International Monetary Fund and the World bank, two institutions set up in the wake of World War II to foster peace and global prosperity. Bessen accused the IMF and World bank of straying from their core missions to tackle problems such as climate change. He urged the World bank to finance more nuclear and fossil fuel projects in developing countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Energy abundance sparks economic abundance. That's why the bank should encourage an all of the above approach to energy development.

[Adam Curry]

The IMF has downgraded its forecast of global economic growth this year, largely as a result of President Trump's trade war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is what the president said. Imf, stay out of politics. Right.

[Adam Curry]

So that was kind of a. I thought bland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bland. It was bland and slant.

[Adam Curry]

It was bland and boring. And it was like. And they had a little slam against Trump and it was. The whole thing was just as typical NPR crypt. I thought that this one was more meaningful, and it had. It's about the same length, a little bit longer. It was. I think it was more meaningful and more in depth. And I thought it hit this mark and this is from ntd.

[John C. Dvorak]

China in particular is in need of a rebalancing. Recent data shows the China Chinese economy tilting even further away from consumption toward manufacturing. China's economic system, with growth driven by manufacturing exports, will continue to create even.

[Martha Radnick]

More serious imbalances with its trading partners.

[John C. Dvorak]

If the status quo is allowed to continue. China's current economic model is built on exporting its way out of its economic trouble levels.

[Martha Radnick]

It's an unsustainable model that is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only harming China, but the entire world.

[Martha Radnick]

Besant added quote Treating China, the second largest country in the world as a developing country is absurd. In addition to pushing for more pressure on China, Besant urged the IMF to reprioritize the world economy. The Treasury Secretary denounced the World Financial Organization for devoting quote, disproportionate time and resources to, to work on climate change, gender and social issues. Beset added quote Mission creep has knocked these institutions off course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that IMF was working on gender issues. This is, this is out of control, this gender thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're trying, but they're not getting anything. They're not going to be able to move this forward. That's just not happening. I keep reading about the Mar? A Lago Accords everywhere though. It's like, oh, we're in this. It's time now. It's time. We need a new. What was it called? The original one in 47. We need a new Bretton Woods.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Bretton woods, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Signed for the Mar? A Lago Accords. I keep reading it everywhere and I think we were the first ones to use the term.

[Adam Curry]

I don't read it anywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, let me see here. Well, it's investing.com, whatever that is. What the proposed Mar A Lago Accord could mean for invest investors. While not officially endorsed, the framework outlines measures designed to preserve the US Dollar's global dominance while intentionally weakening its value, which is what we need. UBS strategists note that these measures aim to lower tre. So the idea is to create new bonds. 100 year bond. It's like the trillion dollar coin, only upside down. And so everybody gets a new bond. For your old bond, you get a hundred year bond. And I guess it has a lower yield. I guess. I don't know how any of this works. I don't understand any of this stuff. Did you guys talk about it at all?

[Adam Curry]

Not the hundred year bond. No, we talk about. Actually, the trillion dollar coin doesn't come up either.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, that's the stable coin. That's. That's on deck. I think that's going to be part of the Mar A Lago accord. To. To finalize though, I got an. A Great list of 23 subtle but alarming recession indicators. Now we have a recession. We have one, I think one recession indicator which is the Dvorak law. Law. Maybe you'd like to reiterate it.

[Adam Curry]

The one about hookers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that one. That's the one.

[Adam Curry]

That when in a recession, the hookers get better looking and are cheaper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't there another one? Didn't we have the hairdressers? We had the hairdresser one.

[Adam Curry]

That's yours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we had the hairdresser one. Which is women no longer get expensive hairdosing and they start dying their hair at home. But here are 23 more, which I think is worth mentioning. $5 blackjack tables at the Aria instead of the typical 25 plumbers $.

[Adam Curry]

Blackjack tables everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is the Aria.

[Adam Curry]

The Aria, okay. The Aria is a very special casino in Vegas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plumbers showing up on time. Time. I like that.

[Adam Curry]

I've never had an issue with plumbers showing up on time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Berkeley is never going to be in a recession. Italian sandwich shops in prime locations. Struggling companies moving overseas. I don't think that's right. Real estate, ghost towns. Have we seen that yet? I don't think so. I like number seven. A lack of Botox.

[Adam Curry]

The lack of. Okay, keep reading. I don't know. These are terrible, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Empty strip clubs, fixer cars on Facebook. Here's one I think is true. You a Used guitar surplus. Everyone's a good one selling their axe. I gotta get rid of my guitar, man. Home cooked lunches. Owner sold cars. You know when you drive in a neighborhood and you got a. They got the car out there and.

[Adam Curry]

It says this is what Craigslist is for. Well, it's been going on for years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Owner availability at the vet office. No short fast food lines. Hmm, I'm not seeing that here.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't seen that anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

They opened up a Chick Fil A in Fredericksburg. Holy moly.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, did they now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's outside the.

[Adam Curry]

Have you had the chicken sandwich? I'd like to get a review of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I really don't like Chick Fil? A. I've had it maybe once, maybe twice. I'm not a fan. It's just chicken mush in a sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

Is that right? I thought it was a pretty good quality product. I don't. I'd never had one, so I Don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's right near the church, but unfortunately they're not open on Sunday. Card collections on sale. Plenty of card collections. You know, like baseball cards. People trying to sell stuff. Sell their baseball cards. Yeah. Parking. Plenty of parking. Declined payments. I've seen this a lot at the grocery store. Declined payments. Stand behind somebody like they got open payments declined. That's it. So none of them are any good. Yeah, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that was a very good list. I think we should come up with our own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have two. It's a story.

[Adam Curry]

We do have two, but mine's no good anymore since the only fans come around. There are no more hookers.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the exit strategy, by the way. Holy moly. Some. Some. Some girl just retired from only fans. $67 million in three years time. She's like, no, I'm good. I'm 20 million a year. Yeah. Oh, I believe it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she must be really.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And she actually never. No, she never even really took her clothes off. Apparently she just did poses.

[Adam Curry]

Sweet talker. She knows what she's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C and John C. Dvorak's economic woes indicators. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. Dvoraks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Good morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Good morning. Chip Sea boosting the graphite in the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. Yeah.

[Martha Radnick]

Trolls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me say it.1914 listening live right now. We're kind of on a. We're going. We're moving sideways with this chart, people. Sideways side to sideways movement.

[Adam Curry]

That's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we love the trolls. Especially the ones who hang out in the troll room and comment. Give all kinds of interesting idea. Whenever a Jewish name comes up. You see people with emojis going, yes, there are a bunch of anti Semites there. It's great.

[Adam Curry]

So there's anti Semites in the troll room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gambling. Yeah. Whenever it's a Jewish name like. Oh, oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

I know what is. What is up?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what's up either. Yeah, you can join them. Practice your Hitler salute. Jump on in trollroom IO Everybody loves hanging out and have fun there. I have not kicked somebody off in a long time. I need to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're overdue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. I don't get mad anymore. I just given up on being offended. It's like it's not worth it. I feel much better by the way. I will remind you there's plenty of shows still to come after this donation segment we have. Well, we definitely have to discuss heg, Seth. I got some, some funny clips there. And maybe we should do some tariff stuff just to keep everybody up, up to speed. And of course, the tip of the day now so popular that Bill O'Reilly is ripping a foss. Ripping us off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we get ripped off constantly. I think people, you know, they think it's some sort of a secret that this show exists and they listen. They have their producer listening. I got an idea. We can steal it from those guys and no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think, I think you're.

[Adam Curry]

Thing is we have a pretty big audience that knows what's going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And, and they pay attention. And for some reason, they listen to Bill O'Reilly and they. Hey, wait a minute, Bill, what you doing? But of course, that's only for. What was it, what was the term? He had his concierge members.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't have concierge members. We don't have a, A bundle. We don't have no agenda plus for anything else. No, we just give it to you.

[Adam Curry]

Club no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Club no agenda. Good one. We feel it's important that you get this information no matter what your, no matter what your financial status.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I feel the same way about. By the way, I, Although I don't produce as much as I should on Substack, I have, I, I've just decided that it will have a value for value approach toward it. I'm going to always have free content. I'm never going to close it off for the. Oh, you have to be a subscriber. And today I just unsubscribed to Seymour Hersh's substack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. I'm still subscribed and I still pay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't pay. I refuse to pay because I'm cheap compared to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just want to support the old man doing some work that's.

[Adam Curry]

He's got plenty of support, but it's beside the point. I would support him if I could read some of these columns, but he just writes teasers and then you have to subscribe to read the rest of it. And I'm not a fan of this idea of writing a teaser and then trying to make you. Make you subscribe because of. Oh, there's maybe something here if you keep reading further.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't realize, so I just gave up. Yeah, no, I'm against that, too. I mean, I support him because I You know, I just want to support his work, but I didn't realize that he was doing teasers and it was all in the bunch bundle and for concierge, so I'm a concierge member, apparently, of.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I would, I, I, I'm against that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not value for value. That's just. You're being a tease. You're a tease is no good.

[Adam Curry]

You might as well be an only fans never taking your clothes off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's, there's a visual I don't need of Seymour Hersh, but thanks, I feel much better.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's not taking his clothes off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, by the way, you want to use one of those modern podcast apps if you're listening to the show for a number of reasons. First of all, you get live stream in the modern podcast apps. You get the bat signal when we go live and not just for our show. Almost any show on the no Agenda stream now utilizes this system. So you want that, you want it for the transcripts, you want it for the chapters, you want it for the chapter art. And let's talk about that for a second, because it's what we do every single show. We have hundreds of artists who are listening to the show live and they're creating fun art that we. I had actually, I helped somebody audit their, their feed and their podcast yesterday because they, it was one of the first people ever said, hey, we have a pretty big successful show. Would you mind hopping on a zoom call with the team and, and walking us through what you think about, you know, our feed, how we publish? Are we, are there any best practices? And I said, I said, no one has ever asked me to do that.

[Adam Curry]

This is unbelievable what you just said.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one has.

[Adam Curry]

I have been harping on this for. Not that I'm your agent. Well, if you want a crappy job.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I was, if you were, I would have made money on the deal. But no, okay, I didn't.

[Adam Curry]

But the point is, is that this is ridiculous that you have not been consulted on, which, you know, it's a pet peeve of mine, not consulting the experts. I remember when, when Halsey started CNET and you were, you auditioned there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I got hired there, but I didn't take the deal stupid.

[Adam Curry]

It ended up with a local guy. But anyway, the point is he would always find definitive people. He would just do a little research. Didn't take much, and he'd just ask them if they wanted to get in. I mean, he did the thing with his website. He found some Guy that was one of the early website developers. And it's always. You go to the definitive guy, the guy who invented it. If you can find the guy who invented the whole process, hey, get a hold of him. See if he'll talk to you. This never happens, except there's a few guys who understand it. And I'm stunned that anyone got a clue.

[John C. Dvorak]

You will even be more stunned by who it was.

[Adam Curry]

Who was it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Chip Ingram. You don't know Chip Ingram? Chip Ingram is a pastor. He is on well over a thousand radio stations, has millions of people listening to his podcast. It's called Living on the Edge. And he has his board of directors. Was it the chairman of the board. And they had the technology people. I was like, wow, how smart are you guys? And he doesn't. He's not gonna. You know, that must be a 3,4 million dollars a year operation or more. Or more. Yeah, I was stunned. I was stunned by the invitation. Like, yeah, I'll do that. Absolutely. That's how pros operate, man. Pros. Whereas Bill O'Reilly. No, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

Instead, he just steal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steal stuff from us. Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

And usually miss the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big time stealing.

[Adam Curry]

But it only goes to the concierge service. Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

So back to the artist. We always thank the artists who brought us the artwork for the previous episode in episode 1757, which we titled Word Veto. A lot of people like this art. It was a combo piece. It was by Fluff comet. Of course, 420 was Easter. We always work on holidays. If they fall on show day or most of that, I think we haven't missed one once. It was also 420, well known under the herb lovers of the group. So it was a bunny munching on a marijuana leaf. The only thing we missed was Hitler in there for Hitler's birthday. Otherwise, it was a perfect piece. I think we even mentioned it was a perfect piece.

[Adam Curry]

And a bunny munching on the. On the pot plant was amusing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was just cute. It was cute. And there were many people who tried eggs. We really don't like bunnies and eggs. I'll be honest about it. We're like, ah, bunnies and eggs. Bunnies and eggs. Lots of bunnies and eggs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a bit too much in hindsight, I thought. Geraldo, rolling the stone away was kind of funny. Although.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm always. I. Sacrilegious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah, you're very. You're very sensitive. And I. I am.

[Adam Curry]

I'm very sensitive to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's appreciated. Let's See what else was there. There was a chocolate Easter bunny and a chocolate Jesus. And Jesus. Melting the bunny. Melting the bunny with a. With a hair dry.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was a great piece, but it was like. I don't quite get it, but the bunny is melting.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. It was wrong in so many ways.

[Adam Curry]

It was just. It was a screwy piece now, but I. Scaramonga, you have to. You know, he's one of the more creative guys out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that was Scaram. He keeps doing these great AI videos of us for the Podcast Awards. Do you ever. Do you even see them? He's always tagged.

[Adam Curry]

I have not seen one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. He always tags you. He must be shadow banned somehow, maybe. He's always tagging Brunetti. Come on, Brunetti. Let's make the movie. Let's do it like Scaramanga. Brunetti's never gonna make a movie with you. And let me just tell you straight up, not gonna do it.

[Adam Curry]

He's not gonna make a movie with anyone. The way he's going.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he won't listen to advice. He won't. He's. He's. He's missing.

[Adam Curry]

He gives out the advice he did give the idea for Tip of the Day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tip of the Day. Yeah, well. And there you go. He makes no money and he's getting ripped off. Yeah, there it goes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but it was voluntarily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

He gets a credit. We didn't get a credit for O'Reilly's tip of the Day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nope. It should have said created by John C. Dvorak. No, created by Danny Brunetti. That's who should get the credit. If he just said it once, that would be okay, but he won't. So lots of AI stuff. Surprise, surprise. Lots of AI Stuff. Stuff. Then all that's coming in is AI stuff. AI stuff. Tons of AI stuff. It's not working. People. You should be. This is really going to teach kids in school. Great. We'll have a. We'll have a country of people who can do chocolate bunnies and Jesus being melted with a hair dryer. What a future. What a future. So we do, of course, want to thank Fluff Comet and Fluff. I think Fluff Comet's a new artist as well. No, wait a minute. No. Fluff Comet.

[Adam Curry]

Fluff Comet's done a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fluff Comet's done a lot. A lot of graffiti, Stu. These are all top notch artists, whether using AI or not. I'm always impressed and we appreciate it. Moreover, you can contribute. You can be a part of it. Noagendaartgenerator.com or you can be listening live and refreshing on the fly to see stuff as it pops in. And again on those modern podcast apps, just watch along as the art changes. Dreb Scott does that expertly for us every single show, and it's highly appreciated. Now onto the treasure part of our time. Talent and treasure. The three T's of value for value, which is the only way it works. We'd like to close the loop by reading notes for people. We thank everybody. $50 and above. If you donate $200 for a show, you become an associate executive producer. This is an absolutely real credit. You can use it anywhere. Credits are accepted. I got a note from one of our producers. He was a little mad. He's like, curry. I don't understand it. I became an associate executive producer. I'm still not on IMDb.com, i said.

[Adam Curry]

That'S a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't do it for you. You know, you got. You got to do your own account. And he's like, oh. And then he emails me back, ha. I'm on it. I'm. I'm good to go. He's really happy. But no, it's not automatic. We.

[Adam Curry]

We don't have access like their dog in the show. Let's see what I got today, Bill. Oh, these guys. Let me write it down. Put it in there for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have access to the API. You know, just hit a button and you're in there. No. So not only do you get that credit, which you can put yourself on IMDb.com because they recognize that it's a true show business credit. We'll read your note. Same goes for $300 or above. Only then you get the coveted title of executive producer for this episode, and we will read your note. We kick it off with Carrie Cates, who's in Gainesville, Texas, $500 and says itm, gentlemen, you are the best. Keep up the amazing work. He wants a de douching.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And along with that, a double up. Karma. We are happy to oblige.

[Martha Radnick]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Carrie's note was short and sweet, but I think Mike Topsher from Fairmont, West Virginia, also $500. No jingles, no karma. Thanks, John and Adam. Mike in Fairmont, West Virginia.

[John C. Dvorak]

A beautiful one. Jared Hardigree. Hardigree. Yes. Edmond, Oklahoma, comes close with 350 and 93 cents. No jingles, gents. Just keep up the good fight. From Jared in Edmond, Oklahoma. Thank You, Jared.

[Adam Curry]

And now they start to get longer, starting with Mark Kachansky and Aurora. Aurora, Colorado, 348.90. This donation of 348.90 should complete my knighthood. I'd like to be known as Sir Red Devil. And I'd like Sapporo and Sushi at the round table. Can I get a Trump's Jobs Karma for my son Ryan and the following jingles. She looks like she stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, do we have. Do we have that one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you clipped it. You clipped it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it wasn't stinks. It was. It was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she looks like she stinks exactly what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I can't find it now. That's why I'm. I'm confused. No, it was something else.

[Adam Curry]

No, it may. You may have titled something else, but that's what I said. She looks like she stinks, followed by due to climate change, which is a sensible combination. Thanks for everything you do. Here's to four more years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, can you say she looks like she stinks? Because I can't.

[Adam Curry]

I have to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't. Okay, all right.

[Adam Curry]

She looks like she stinks due to climate change. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Martha Radnick]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. I don't know what happened to her. I must have mislabeled it. We move on to Joe Dunn, Park City, Utah. A Favorite donation number 333.33. It. Adam and John, please deduce me you've been de douched. Not too long ago, Adam mentioned that he may never go on a ski vacation again. Yeah, I'm not gonna ski because that's. I'm, you know, I'm gonna break something here in Park City. That kind of thinking is just weird. Skiing is a lifelong sport that brings families together while building skills and having fun. If you're a skier and want to improve your skills, check out my YouTube channel, Ski Dad TV. As an NCAA All American Ski racer and now fully certified ski instructor, I'll show you how to shred and show the joys of being a ski dad. I think I saw his. I think I saw him with his little kid. That's truly coincidental. I think I came across that video. Do you want to touch your hip to the snow while carving? No. Then check out Skee dad tv, where you can get the best ski teaching content on YouTube. Skee dad t r2 d2 virality karma, please, says Joe Dunn. All right, Joe Dunn. Good job, brother.

[Martha Radnick]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it.

[Adam Curry]

Good one, Baron. Steve, Banstra in Nashville, Tennessee. Three three.

[John C. Dvorak]

He gets upgraded today. Yes. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

ITM gents. This donation not only elevates me to Vicon, but also puts me ahead of Dana Brunetti on the NA producer list according to IMDb and the Mueller report. Steve Banstra Baron now Vicont of BNA Boogity. Oh, he said of bna. Whatever BNA is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Boogity boogity. Jingle please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Haggis is in Sarasota, Florida also 333.33 so he gets an executive producer credit. ITM gentlemen, hope all is well. This donations to celebrate two birthdays. Firstly, my brother whose birthday was on 420 Sir Ramen noodles had his 44th jaunt around the sun. I want to wish him a very happy birthday. I love you mate. Secondly, and more self importantly, I am celebrating my 50th journey around said son. So please put Sir Ramen Noodles and Sir Haggis on the birthday list. You are there. I would also like to give a quick shout out to my two boys who are my greatest accomplishment in life. So to my Hamish and Ronan. You are my entire world and I love you so much. I couldn't be more proud as a dad to watch you become young men. I tried to come up with some witty jingle combo, but I'll just settle on some karma for everyone out there. In the immortal words of Bill Hicks, remember, it's just a ride. Hugs and kisses, Sir Haggis. All right, Sir Haggis. Thank you.

[Martha Radnick]

You've got Karma month.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have. We go to associate executive producers with our first donation in that category from a downer named Jack DeAngelis in Emmett, Idaho. 250 bucks. And he says we need a great depression. This nation needs to be humbled to be healed.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not true. No. God will hear our praise and prayers and heal our land. That's how you need to think. Duke, sir. Dr. Sharkey. There he is. Jackson, Tennessee.

[Adam Curry]

Hey. I haven't heard from him forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's back. 234.56 John Adam, you continue to be the source of sanity in this increasingly insane world. Karma of protection as I travel to the grand. The grand resources. The Grand Resources. What's the grand Resources?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. Idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Dukes to see the grand resources.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, to see the grand. Reese, what are the grand resources, I wonder? Anyway, he signs off. Duke, sir. Dr. Sharkey. Lord of Mars.

[Adam Curry]

He's going to Mars.

[Martha Radnick]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Ronin Colorado in Colorado Springs. 222.22 is a row of ducks. Happy birthday to John. Same age as me. Go Boomers. Number one rule for boomers is don't fall down. Hello to the nice people of the Antelope Ridge meadery that apparently provided his libation for the day. That provided the space for our meetup. Love you both mean it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And coming in with 204.24, it's Eli the coffee guy who says life imitates art as the movie Conclave Slave. Is it now at the top of the charts? That's right. Plus, according to the Internet theorists, we only get one more pope before the end is nice he's heard about it. Brings to mind the peace dove attacked by a crow at the coronation of Pope Francis. I forgot about that. Do you remember that the dove was flying in the crow?

[Adam Curry]

That makes nothing but sense. I don't remember it, but, you know, there's a lot of. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of symbolism going on. Ah. Still, the world is filled with small miracles. RFK bands, chemical food dies as Klaus Schwab's resignation from the wef. What an exciting time to be alive. And that calls for exciting coffee. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated. Says Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

Sweaty Schweddy. S C H W E D d y in McKinney, Texas. McKinney m c k I N N E Y. Hey, John and Adam. Is the time of the year again for the annual tax return donation. Annual tax return donation. I'll repeat that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This plus layaway plan should give me a spot at the coveted roundtable. Giving back and thanking you for what you do. Title request. Sure, sir. Sure, sir. Schweddy request Belhaven Scottish ale on tap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Of course. Jingles. No sweat off my balls. And goat Karma. It's no sweat off my balls you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

You nailed it. It was identical. It's identical. And almost at the end here. With $200. As she always does. Just like Eli the coffee guy coming in with $200. She says, Jobs. Karma, please. And for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com. that's ImageMakers Inc. With a K for all of your executive resume and job search needs. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes.

[Martha Radnick]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs. David Selden in Arlington, Texas. That's Arlington. $200. ITM get most slaves. I think I'm a knight. But we'll have to look that up some other time. Been over seven years. Please de douche. You've been de douched over seven years. I doubt if you're married it yet with 200 bucks. But Adam Curry has said words matter. At Park Pocket verses, we agree. In fact, words are way more powerful than we can understand. God's words are the most powerful. So we've created the small shareable cards with Bible verses to encourage you and others. Sent a copy to Adam. Check out Pocketverses.org, a completely free service. It's free. Good news, fits in your pocket. Carry God's word with you and pass it on with joy. Get yours free. Free. Free. It's free.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's free.

[Adam Curry]

@Pocket versus.org Visit pocketverses.org okay, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

The message is clear. Did someone tell them that if you say it three times, people remember it? Is that. Is that what's going on here? It could be, yeah. And finally, our last associate executive producer is Trevor Malkinson. He's in Courtenay. That's in British Columbia, Canada. And he says, dear John and Adam, my wife and I have been saying for a while that it was. It was time to donate to the show again. And then I bought a beer the other day and my bill was $33.33.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's one beer in Canada, man. Man, that Canada. Canadian dollar is devalued. Anyway, I knew it was time. I'm in Canada and Trump has many sheeple here. Very activated. It's both hilarious and pathetic. Anyway, thanks for everything you do on the show. Can you call out Chuck as a douchebag? Douchebag. And for jingles, get big beautiful dumps. And the howling dog that sounds like Pink Floyd. Cheers, says Trevor. On Vancouver islands, they did dumps. They call them dumps.

[Adam Curry]

Big, massive dumps. Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that concludes our executive and associate executive. When I say associate executive producers for episode 1758 already. Oh, man, it's really moving along. 17 years, 1700 shows. We are just killing it, I tell you. We will be thanking the rest of the people who donated to the show today and $50 or more in our second segment. And we'd like to remind everybody, if you go tonoagenA donations.com, there are many opportunities for you to become a knight, a dame. Everything is on the website, including how you become a layaway night. You can do this over many years and eventually you do get to that level. Many people do. Will be. Actually, we have a couple of nights coming up in a moment and you can also hit us up with a sustaining donation, which means any amount, any frequency you choose, you make it up. Noagendadonations.com thank you again. Thank you again for supporting the best podcast in the Universe, episode 1758. Our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. There's no sweat off my balls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hagseth, Hagseth. I got a couple of hegseth clips.

[Adam Curry]

Can we do a little interregnum first? Something I want to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

An interregnum? An interview. Interregnum. What exactly is an interregnum?

[Adam Curry]

It's just a break. Okay. I ran into this clip while I was going through the archives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our archives show archives?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, our archives. The disc of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

The disc.

[Adam Curry]

And I just ran it because I was looking for something else and I ran into this. I didn't realize. I forgot all about this. This was from probably 20 and I don't even remember it. But this is the kind of nuttiness that during the first Trump administration, this is a kind of screwball story that this was amongst the thing where, you know, he watched guerrilla TV and all the bogus nonsense that the media fed us about Trump. The guerrilla TV was my all time favorite, but this is one that I forgot. I don't even remember, to be honest about it. It was so stupid. This clip is the classic scream at the sky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is it that time again? Here we go. Tonight, thousands of peoples in cities across the country will scream helplessly at the sky one year after the election of President Donald Trump. The events are being planned on Facebook in Dallas, Boston, New York, Miami, Philly, Austin and Washington state. In the detail section it reads quote, rage, rage against the dying of the light marked the one year anniversary of the so called election of the so called president by joining the national primal scream. Howl at the sky, gnash your teeth, bang your drums. And it goes on from there. The Dallas event starts at 6 tonight on the Continental Avenue pedestrian bridge. But as the Facebook page itself warns, it will be 48 degrees and rainy outside. Matt Uris for CBS 11 the News. I remember this. I remember it and I'm thinking we might actually have some clips of the screaming, don't we?

[Adam Curry]

I, there was, I actually had the clip of the scream. You look it up. I didn't put it on here because it was pretty lame, but just people screaming. It just wasn't anything more than the scream he just played. But it's unbelievable how, how stupid this TDS Trump derangement syndrome was and is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have the science to back it up from jama. Social networks, spread contagion, mental illness. It makes nothing but sense to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's sad. It's sad that people get so worked up. And again, it's the COVID trauma. None of this has gone away.

[Adam Curry]

This was pre Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but Trump derangement syndrome now is. You can trigger anything with anybody now.

[Adam Curry]

This was pre Covid. I want to remind you that this is screaming at the sky was pre Covid. Trump watching guerrilla TV was pre Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. I'm just saying that that still is. Okay, nevermind. You get my.

[Adam Curry]

No, I understand what you're saying. Covid has created another level.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can bring anything back.

[Adam Curry]

It was pretty bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want the screaming to come back. How do we do that?

[Adam Curry]

We just reinitiate this. This is a reminder. Maybe somebody out there will get this thing going again. We can start screaming, but it has to be a year anniversary, so it would be next January. I guess they'd do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or they can do a scream in.

[Adam Curry]

A scream in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think we should promote that.

[Adam Curry]

Scream in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Screamin'scream. In. Screamin'a. Screamin' we should probably put that in the concierge level.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, in the bundle. The plus bundle.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, as you astutely put in the newsletter, Signal Gate continues. Completely stupid. The whole thing is just. What. And so I went to the source to find out. What exactly is this about? Can we get some details? And NPR had the most serious reporting. And boy, you know npr, they can make a story out of nothing. When they have nothing, they got nothing. But the. They made a story out of it anyway. It's amazing. We're waiting to see how, if at all. President Trump addresses the leadership at the Defense Department. In a moment, Democratic Senator Jack Reed calls for a wider investigation of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. First, we report on what the White House is doing.

[Martha Radnick]

One U.S. official tells NPR that the search is underway to replace Defense Secretary.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they've got sources. There's a search underway. Deep Throat in the White House says so.

[Martha Radnick]

Pete Hech says publicly the President is standing behind him. After a tumultuous week, Hexed's office fired.

[Adam Curry]

Some of his aides.

[Martha Radnick]

Then came revelations that the secretary shared details of impending airstrikes in Yemen. Again, NPR confirmed the second chat on the messaging app Signal, which included Hexev's wife, his brother, and his personal lawyer. The first chat was with top officials and a journalist who was inadvertently included.

[John C. Dvorak]

NPR's Quill Lawrence is here to tell us more. Quill, good morning. Hey, good morning. Good morning. Hey, good morning. So we'll note that you're reporting this story with our colleague. I like what you do with that stuff. So now. Now you've got me doing it. It's unavoidable.

[Martha Radnick]

Journalist who is inadvertently included.

[John C. Dvorak]

NPR's Quill Lawrence is here to tell us more. Quill, good morning. Hey, good morning. Good morning. Hey, good morning. So we'll note that you're reporting this story with our colleague Tom Bowman. What are you guys Hearing? Yeah. A U.S. official told us that the search has begun after this second as sources say an official unnamed round of headlines about hexing. I should add that though the White House has said our anonymous source doesn't know what they're talking about. But at a Rose Garden event yesterday. What?

[Adam Curry]

That was poorly phrased. The anonymous source said they didn't know what they were talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The White House. The White House says no.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but it's the way it was put together. It was like the measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, disinformation is spreading. Yes, I got you. Search has begun after. After this second round of headlines about Hegseth. That I should add that though the White House has said our anonymous source doesn't know what they're talking about, but at a Rose Garden event yesterday, the president stood firmly by Hagseth, at least publicly.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's doing a great job.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just fake news. They just bring up stories. I guess it sounds like disgruntled employees.

[Adam Curry]

You know, he was put there to get rid of a lot of bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

People, and that's what he's doing. Disgruntled employees. You know, so besides bringing back the scream circle. That's a good term for it, actually. Not the scream in, but a scream circle. I think we should bring that back.

[Adam Curry]

I like Scream circle. Disgruntled show title, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it. Yeah. Who came up with that? Netned. Besides that disgruntled employee. You know what disgruntled employees used to do? They used to go postal.

[Adam Curry]

They used to go postal. What happened to those guys?

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to those days, Quill? That phrase, disgruntled employees. I think Hegseth used a similar phrase in his public remarks about this and referred to people who were fired in his office. What's he talking about? Yeah. There were four senior advisors to Hegseth who left in just the past week. Former Defense Department spokesman John Elliott resigned last week, and then public published a quite extraordinary opinion piece calling the Past month at the Pentagon, a quote, full blown meltdown and saying that this infighting is hurting President Trump. He served in Trump's first administration and appears to want to continue to serve. Three other Pentagon advisors, Colin Carroll, Dan Caldwell and Darren Selnick, were escorted out of the Pentagon and accused of leaking information to the press. They then put out as a trio. The three of them put out out a joint statement on X saying that their dismissal was unconscionable and that they haven't even been told what they stand accused of leaking. All three of them served in uniform. They say they understand the importance of information security. Caldwell and Selnick, notably are longtime associates of Hegseth. They've worked with him over a decade, back to when he was at Concerned Veterans for America policy Group. So disgruntled employees. Their version of going postal is, we're going to write an op ed in the New York Times. You say it's no good. This is the military industrial complex trying to worm Hegseth out. And he's the final one. Npr, they really have nothing. They have nothing. So I'm trying to figure out what all of this adds up to. The White House does appear to be backing Hegseth, but he's been revealed. NPR has confirmed the original New York Times report that there was a second, second chat group on signal where he was sharing information about an impending attack. So they don't even have a chat. They don't have, don't have screenshots like the first time. It's just these disgruntled employees who said that in the New York Times. Is that what I'm led to believe here, John?

[Adam Curry]

I think that's what you're led to believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, with the first chat group, it was against Pentagon policy to use signal for that. There were a lot of security issues with it, discussing details of how news before. What's that?

[Adam Curry]

It's news that it was Pentagon policy not to use signal and it's the CIA that provided the signal channels.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is news to me. Yeah. I mean, with the first chat group, it was against Pentagon policy to use signal for that. There were a lot of security issues with it, discussing details of an attack hours before the bombs hit in Yemen. But the people in that chat were the vice president, president, the secretary of state, people who would need to know. This second group, it appears that Hegseth was just cut and pasting this actionable intelligence strikes to his wife. I can't think of any conceivable need they would have to Know this information. I'll be bluntly honest though. If this was Obama or anyone else, we would have been laughing all over. Wouldn't have been great. These portable people. Impeach them. Impeachment.

[Adam Curry]

So the guy. So his wife is on the signal check. Why doesn't his wife. That he's. He sleeps with the woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And his lawyer. He sleeps with his lawyer too.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he doesn't sleep with the lawyer. Everybody he might, but he sleeps with. This is beyond me now my understanding. I tried to figure out what was going on here. I thought it was like because of his LGBTQ thing. But then I saw some analyst on one of the channels going on. She said that this is all because Hegseth was one of the influencers telling Trump not to bomb Iran or listen to the Israelis at all and to get into the negotiations instead of going to war. Another war in the Middle east is a bad idea. Hegseth was largely responsible, or at least one of the voices in that regard. And the Pentagon supposedly still filled with neocons and they wouldn't put up with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe that. The thing that I thought was really strange. I don't know if you've. I'm about halfway through it is that one of these guys shows up on Tucker the day later.

[Adam Curry]

Right. That one. One of his old associates.

[John C. Dvorak]

Caldwell.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Caldwell.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's up with that? That's strange.

[Adam Curry]

And he. Well, he. He makes the claim that it wasn't Hexet that or the. That fire. It was like it was part of a. Two things happened. One, there was a cabal because he says he never had the lie detector test. They were threatening everybody with. They just out roused at three of of Hegseth's old pals who were also against being neocons or they were against the neocons. So that may have been a political move. And then this Elliot guy who was actually really was fired. He's the one who got the New York Times piece. I mean, it seems unlikely that this was. Unless it was all schemed out that you're going to get a New York Times op ed ready to go. I mean, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Right away if you and I had to write the New York Times op ed, it'd take us a couple days. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It wouldn't be the next day. I mean, I wouldn't take it. You could crank one up if you had it already on.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we were going to be published in the New York Times Times, we would.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you would. Take a day or two, get some work Done. But it would be. This is bull crap. Yeah, this is a. This, I believe it is. I think there's an analyst who said that it was bull crap, that this is all about the neocons trying to, you know, and it was part of the Wesley Clark group. You know, Iran is last.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe it. I believe that for sure.

[Adam Curry]

They wanted to bomb Iran. And it's like this guy's screwing things up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's. He's not doing a good job. He's messing around with the Houthis. Stop it. Go for the big cheese. So then he goes on Fox and Hegseth is not good at this. He doesn't come across confident. And then his whole defense is he wasn't confidential to start with. So it doesn't make any difference who I sent it to. That's his. That's his defense. But when Brian Kill Me introduces you in the following manner, you've got to wonder what's really out there in the media space. Well, that was President Trump doubling down on his support for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth 24 hours ago denying a New York Times report about sharing sensitive information on another signal chat called Team Huddle. Here to set the record straight, himself, the current Secretary of State, Pete Hegset, former host right here on Fox and Friends. Wow. How about that? Former. He's going to double down. Like, I mean, he is the secretary of defense, but he says, former secretary of defense. How. How does he come up with that? How does that happen?

[Adam Curry]

That's a great catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here to set the record straight, himself, the former secretary, the current secretary of.

[Adam Curry]

State, Pete Hegseth, former host right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Fox and Friends.

[Adam Curry]

Pete, great to see you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary. I'm sorry, Mr. Secretary. I know you're never going to take my call again. You want to answer my text, Mr. Secretary. So your thoughts on what's been reporting of Team Huddle and the signal chat that the New York Times says took place between you, your wife and your brother and some others. So now, Hagseth, it's just, I just clipped a little bit of it. He's waving his hands, he's smirking. He's sticking his tongue out. This is not good, Pete.

[Adam Curry]

So, Brian, if you remember when this all started, the first go around, because this is the second go around, right? They pedal old stuff. They kick it back up. I said repeatedly, no one's texting war plans. You know why I said that? Because I'm in the bowels of the Pentagon every single day. Just 10 minutes ago, I was looking at actual war plans of things that were ongoing or pending things to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What? Is there a war pending? What's happening? Brian, ask him. What war plans are you looking at? Do you always look at war plans? We have war plans. Is it. What's it going on?

[Adam Curry]

Because that's on the regular. First thing I jump on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Like what?

[Adam Curry]

Sounds coked up or too much coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. You know what it is? Gigawatt.

[Adam Curry]

Ten minutes ago, I was looking at actual war plans of things that were ongoing or pending things to happen. Because that's on a regular basis on classified systems. That's my job for the war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he say war pending? Pending. Let me listen again.

[Adam Curry]

Birthday. So, Brian, if you remember when this all started, the first go around. Because this is the second go around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

They peddle old stuff, they kick it back up. I said repeatedly, no one's texting war plans. You know why I said that? Because I'm in the bowels of the Pentagon every single day. Just 10 minutes ago, I was looking at actual war plans of things that were ongoing or pending things to happen. Because that's on a regular basis on classified systems. That's my job for the war fighters, for the President of the United States. I look at war plans every single day. What was shared over signal then and now, however you characterize it was informal, unclassified coordinations for media coordination and other things. That's what I've said from the beginning. At the beginning, it was left wing reporters from the Atlantic who got ahold of it and then wanted to create a problem for the President. This is what it's all about, trying to get at President Trump and his agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm protecting the president. Don't you see what I'm doing? I'm protecting President Donald J. Trump. By the way, World War 3 is pending. It's just pending. It's pending.

[Adam Curry]

Looking at what war plans is the first thing I say. Now he. You know, Hexeth was one of the reasons he was picked because of his military service and the fact that he is media savvy. But to watch him go hysterical like this is not media savvy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, at all. He.

[Adam Curry]

If he has to be, he has to slow down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And be calm and be a little more. Less hysterical. He sounds like he's like an old lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, said the disgruntled podcasters.

[Adam Curry]

That's who we are as the disgruntled podcasters. It's just not. It's not a good. He's got a Good look. Somebody should take him aside and say, you know, less coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a good look. Have you heard about the baby bonuses?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, this is an interesting situation, the baby bonuses, because all of a sudden now the left is saying, this is terrible idea. And the whole. I hope maybe you have the clips from the View.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have clip. No, no, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

They condemned him. Well, of course, the Trump administration is.

[Martha Radnick]

Considering ways to encourage more women to get married and have children, including a $5,000 baby bonus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Martha Radnick]

The money would be offered to every American mother after she gives birth, an incentive aimed at increasing the country's historically low birth rate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think they come in with those big checks? Good job, mom. You know, with those Publisher Clearinghouse confetti.

[Martha Radnick]

Which has declined since 2007. That year, approximately 4.3 million babies were born, compared to 3.6 million last year. Since taking office, the administration has made an effort to promote families.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let me say very simply, I want more babies in the United States of America.

[Adam Curry]

America.

[Martha Radnick]

Simone Collins is a pronatalist pushing for ways easier for people to have kids. As much as I personally love the idea of getting $5,000 for another kid, it's not going to move the needle, and it's certainly not going to be enough for parents to decide that they can have that next kid or their first kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so now that. Now the problem is it's not enough. Trump's not doing enough. What is? What did Vice President Harris have? Didn't she have 3,000? Thousand?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's 3, 500 or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So it's not enough.

[Adam Curry]

Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not enough.

[Martha Radnick]

Instead, she says there are simpler and cheaper ways the government can ease the burden on parents, such as loosening regulations on daycare programs and car seats. Collins and her husband have submitted several draft executive orders to the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Loosening regulations on car seats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You want the ones that kill the baby? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

How is that better than $5,000 cash money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds to me like there's a lobbying, a lobby going on. The baby car seat lobby is getting in on the action here.

[Martha Radnick]

The government can ease the burden on parents, such as loosening regulations on daycare programs and car seats. Collins and her husband have submitted several draft executive orders to the White House, including one that would give a national medal of motherhood to women with six or more children. We don't want to shame or walk.

[Adam Curry]

What if she can walk to women.

[Martha Radnick]

With six or more children? We don't want to shame or coerce anyone into having children. It's really a movement about making it easier for people who really like having kids to have the number of kids they want.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a lot of producers who have eight or nine kids. Kids.

[Adam Curry]

God bless you. Yeah, I know we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what? You know what they never complain about? You never hear them complain about money. I said we can make it work. Look at Laura.

[Adam Curry]

The old hand me down thing works fine, too. That's always ignored.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hand me down and. And you can start a publishing company. Can make all the kids work. I'm sorry, that's.

[Adam Curry]

You put the kids to work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Start a home business. Have them all working on the assembly line. It's. It's the American way. You got a farm, you got kids, you need kids to work on the farm. I'm all for it. I encourage it. I will. I will come and give you a baby bonus. A big. A big medal. We should have no agenda. Medals for that. So many ideas in general, of course. Course. I don't. I know we have the clips. I'm not going to look them up, but this was a racist idea because what they're really saying is we want more white babies that if they have it will come back again. They'll start saying it. They're only talking about white babies and they want women to be baby factories. We're in the handmaid's hail. It's coming, it's coming, it's coming. You can bet on it. It's coming. Good idea. Well, I mean, that's what immigration was about. That was the, the Democrat Party idea was, hey, we're not having baby babies. Open the, Open the gates. Bring them on in. They're cheap. Whereas the cheapest labor is your own kids. Five bucks a week. And I'm serious, I'm not being flippant. It's great for kids to be doing stuff around the house, doing. If you have a family, start a side hustle, have them packing up products. That is truly the American way. I'm not being flippant, man. It's true. You're the living example of that.

[Adam Curry]

Let's play this clip on food poisoning. Oh, that's a segue.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a downer.

[Martha Radnick]

Help us understand just how safe our food is in the U.S. sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the U.S. food supply, said the British lady.

[Adam Curry]

Sure, sure.

[Martha Radnick]

So the US Food supply is generally considered safe, but foodborne illness is still very common. There is the equivalent essentially of 1 in 6Americans getting sick from foodborne Illness every year. That's about 48 million cases annually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. How bad is that, by the way?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. She's got vocal fry and she's got an accent. That means everybody with every six years everybody's gotten food poisoning. Yeah, well, everybody.

[Martha Radnick]

No, and as you mentioned, there are.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the stat. One in six per year. So that means every six years everybody will have food poisoning. I mean, this is basically statistics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, thank you for that lesson.

[Martha Radnick]

There is the equivalent essentially of 1 in 6Americans getting sick from foodborne illness every year. That's about 48 million cases annually. And as you mentioned, there are a fraction of those cases that end up with people in the hospital and even about 3,000 people who estimate it to die of foodborne illness every year. So there are some things that have improved. There are testing methods that have gotten better where you're able to use genetic analysis, whole genome sequencing to be able to trace back outbreaks to specific sources of food. But rates of infection from things like listeria and salmonella and E. Coli have not improved in the ways that folks were hoping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is very uplifting. And you have a second one which makes it even more fun. Fun?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm just saying the food supply in this country is, Is. Is no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[Adam Curry]

One out of six people, I. There's a new video that's floating around. I saw it today. It's a fat. A really fat chick. A big fat chick. And her thing is to show what she eats.

[John C. Dvorak]

She has big bones. Oh, no, this is. Tina finds these all the time. Like 400 pound women and then showing what they eat. And it's mesmerizing.

[Adam Curry]

It is mesmerizing because most of this stuff's coming out of packages, all of it. They're always tearing over little. Tearing open little packages of things, bags.

[John C. Dvorak]

And things with barcodes, all of it.

[Adam Curry]

Bags of who knows what. And they're just gobbling it all down. Now that kind of holds up with another one. I saw an interesting video, some. Some black guy who was talking about bitching about chicken being watered back with injections. And he's on camera eating raw chicken, and that's all he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what could possibly go wrong with that?

[Adam Curry]

What is wrong with these people? But anyway, this is part two of the clip.

[Martha Radnick]

And you report a story about a pretty bad E. Coli outbreak that had 15 states last November. And the FDA chose not to publicize this outbreak. Why? So the FDA managed through their investigation to trace the contaminated lettuce back to one farm and one food processor that purchased the lettuce from that grower. But the agency didn't disclose who either of those companies were. The FDA said that they were prohibited by federal law from disclosing that information and that essentially there wasn't any contaminated lettuce left to buy on the market. So consumers didn't need that information. But there are many folks I spoke to who believe the public has a right to know who those companies were. The Trump administration has also laid off thousands of workers from the fda, including almost the entire staff responsible for communicating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there it is. You got food poisoning. Blame Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Trump's fault.

[Martha Radnick]

Are things different under Trump now for the FDA and for food safety?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[Martha Radnick]

So these are really significant cuts that have been made to staff working on all sorts of aspects of food safety, including communicating about outbreaks of food. They shuttered an entire food safety testing lab in California, and there were also in almost the entire staff that worked on the safety of imported food. So there are significant concerns about what that will mean for these programs and the impact on public safety and public health. The Trump administration has said that these are cuts that are essentially getting rid of administrative staff, that this is sort of waste in federal spending and that public health won't be be affected and communications about outbreaks won't be affected. But these are changes we have not seen the likes of in any recent history.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have an epidemic of vocal fry. See. Who, what station was this?

[Adam Curry]

What broadcast was one of the local PBS stations?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Probably wamu maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's probably somebody's wife. Yeah, honey, you can do it. You've got a great voice for broadcast.

[Adam Curry]

You can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got a great voice for broadcast. Bad. I do have a couple of tariff things I think we should.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, there's that. Oh, you giving me crap for uplifting stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrorism. There we go. No, not tariffs. Not terrorism. Tariffs.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, tariff. They said terror. Terrorists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tariffs. Not much happier than terrorism. But this clip, I'm glad that this, this report was put together. Let me see. This was. Put this together. This is. I think this is also from Euro News, but it was, it was a good report because I've seen these videos. There was a whole slew of them for a moment there probably about two weeks ago when the tariffs just started. And it's something we've discussed over the years many times. Of course, our thoughts are completely wrong. Wrong. But let's discuss after we talk about the US China trade war as it took to TikTok.

[Martha Radnick]

The ongoing trade war between the US and China is now all over TikTok. And European fashion houses have found themselves sandwiched somewhere in the middle. A bag from a high end European fashion house such as Hermes, Louis Vuitton, Operada can cost hundreds of thousands of euros. But on TikTok, individuals claiming to be Chinese manufacturers say they are the ones really making these goods. Speaking in English and referring to prices in dollars, they appear to be targeting American consumers known for buying these goods.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the past more than 30 years we have been the OEM factory for.

[Martha Radnick]

Most of the luxury brands around the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gucci, Plaza, Coach, Louis Vuitton, you name it. Real OEM factory for those luxury brands. We are the same group of people, the 30s.

[Adam Curry]

And do you know how much it.

[Martha Radnick]

Costs from us if you buy from us?

[John C. Dvorak]

Only less than one tenth of its price.

[Martha Radnick]

On their website, Hermes lists locations where it produces and manufactures, but does not mention China. The same goes for Louis Vuitton. Meanwhile, the EU stipulates that for goods to be labeled made in Europe, their last substantial transformation must occur in the country of production. Investigative journalist Noemi Leclerc told you a verification that the majority of these TikTok videos in fact display counterfeit products. Leclerc added that these videos are being posted as the Chinese government moves towards encouraging counterfeit production in a bid to retaliate against US tariffs. Despite this, all the luxury goods industry is shrouded with secrecy and protects the finer details of its supply chain. According to experts, luxury brands such as Ralph Lauren and Prada do manufacture in China as stated of the production process.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what they're leading us to believe here is that this is not true, that all of these products are made in these countries, in France and in Italy. And the labeling, what they say here is the labeling has to be the country of most significant manufacturer. Well, I'd say putting the, the gold lame clasp on it that says Prada or Gucci or whatever is probably how they get around that. I think you and I are both of the opinion that this is absolutely Chinese crap. It's not even crap, it's good stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I've been to China enough. I probably have more Armani stuff that I picked up in various stores, but okay. No, it says Armani. He's got the real label on there. It's dynamite and it's actually a good product.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wear Crocs? How? I've never seen you in anything, Armand.

[Adam Curry]

I have never worn Crocs in my life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, they're Adidas. They're knockoffs.

[Adam Curry]

But no, I'm talking. Armani is not a. I'm not talking about this. What shoes? I don't know, saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never seen you in Armani. I'd love to see you.

[Adam Curry]

I have great shirts. Shirts and ties in a tie I've never seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would look great in a tie.

[Adam Curry]

I have a ton of. I used to collect ties. I still have a huge collection of ties. Okay, I can take some photos of my collection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, Armani, you can buy Armani over there. And it's just the price, like two bucks. Yeah, it's for the shirts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And with the labels. And then they, it's also that you can get the tailor made suits over there, but they, you know, you probably talk them into putting on Armani label in there because they probably have them. But it's beside the, the whole thing is a joke. And Korea is the same way. You can go over there and buy all this. One time I went to Korea and I bought a bunch of Eddie Bauer stu as gifts for a bunch of people. When I came back and it was all Eddie, it just looked like Eddie Bauer stuff to me. And they make it all over there and they have a lot of overruns and then they take the overruns and sell them on the street.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lvmh, now they own a lot of. What are these? What is lvmh?

[Adam Curry]

Louis Vuitton, Moet Hennessy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know what their, their net profit was in 2024?

[Adam Curry]

Some billion of billions.

[John C. Dvorak]

13 billion.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they make, I mean, this is what I liked about these videos because they show you this stuff, it's like, hey, these Nike shoes, two bucks. Tell me it's not true. Of course it's true. That's how all these, this is the biggest psyop. This, this is the true magic of American marketing, is that we have convinced consumers that if it has the brand on it, it's the real deal.

[Adam Curry]

It's the, it's, it's, it is the real deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the point. But they, they're marking it up by thousands of percents.

[Adam Curry]

It's the real deal. And it's marked up because it's the real deal. If somebody can, you know, bypass the real deal and you get to get best price, you get the Chinese price. Yeah, that thousand dollar deal is like, you know, 50 bucks, 20 bucks, 10.

[John C. Dvorak]

And where did Covid start? Right there, where all the Chinese come in with all these bags under their arm into Italy and they slapped the label on, they brought Remember? Yeah, of course it's true. We remember.

[Adam Curry]

There's a part of Italy where there's all these Chinese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes. And they're always coming over, going back and forth. What's that in your bag? Oh, nothing. Just a couple million dollars worth of Hermes bags. And so. And we discuss this always in the context of Canal street in New York. I don't know if that still exists.

[Adam Curry]

I think it used to be when I was a kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Adam Curry]

And then I used to go buy. I bought phony watches. I have somewhat of a collection, but there's some killers that are just. You wouldn't know the difference. They got the sweep second hand. I mean the cheap ones don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that to me is a little different. A handsome, beautiful Swiss timepiece that you don't own. You just pass it on to the next generation. Generation.

[Adam Curry]

So I take. So one of my favorite things is story. One of the. I think it was associate publisher of PC magazine. She was. She knew I was always going to. Picking stuff up at. On Canal Street. She said, can you get me a Rolex? A nice Rolex? I said, what do you want to want some diamonds all around it?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you.

[Adam Curry]

What could. Which give me a. So I get. She gave me a description. So I went and bought her a ladies Role Rolex. Beautiful at a sweep second. It was the more expensive ones that had the sweep second hand. So it really looked legit. It's got all the stampings on everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that, that's. That is clearly counterfeit.

[Adam Curry]

Let me finish the story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So I give her the Rolex and so holy crap, this looks like a real Rolex. I said, yeah, very much so. She puts it on and about a week later she comes up to me, she says, here's the Rolex back. I said, what do you. You didn't like it? She says, no, I was great. Except I knew it wasn't real and. And I didn't feel comfortable wearing was just a dance. It was a response I did not expect.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the story.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The story is that people that you can tell them it's the same say it's the same exact product. The Louis Vuitton bag. They would rather, you know, buy one, pay the 1500 bucks instead of 15 bucks because, you know, it makes them feel more comfortable. The whole thing is they've been blood, they've been brainwashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I look at it a little differently. And my hope is. I know Don Quixote. I know. My hope is that American consumers, which is what we are, we're all just consumers for the rest of the of the world that we look at that and go huh, that's kind of dumb what I'm doing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you just kind of dumb what you're doing. You mean by buying bags at all?

[John C. Dvorak]

By buying not non value for value products just based on status?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean it's dumb, you know, buy it.

[Adam Curry]

Think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buy a good solid American product that's made well and looks good. I know we have to come up with those products, but eventually we don't have those anymore. We have the Pearl Boot company. They're perfect. Don't buy cheap.

[Adam Curry]

One guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's a start. One guy is a start. It's one guy. Speaking of Rolex is an expensive watches television tip for you. I don't think you can watch. You don't have Apple TV plus though, do you? No, you don't have that.

[Adam Curry]

What is it that I should be watching on Apple tv?

[John C. Dvorak]

Your Friends and Neighbors starring John Henry Ham.

[Adam Curry]

Is it a good show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good show. Hedge fund manager gets fired. I'll give you the synopsis. Starts stealing from his friends and neighbors. And it's Jon Hamm is very good.

[Adam Curry]

He starts stealing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like.

[Adam Curry]

Like a cat burglar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he just. Yeah, like a cat burglar starts stealing, you know, $300,000 watches. You know, they won't miss it anyway. Anyway.

[Adam Curry]

That might be interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you have to get Apple TV plus. I don't think that's not something you would get. It doesn't feel like a Dvorak channel.

[Adam Curry]

Apple TV plus. Not happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I knew it. I knew it.

[Adam Curry]

Here's already got subscriptions. The Hulu, whatever it is the top level of Hulu. So you don't get all these ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disney plus Concierge.

[Adam Curry]

I don't get Disney plus now. Forget Disney plus plus. Hulu, Netflix and Amazon, that's all you need. How much more entertainment feeds you don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't. I'm in total agreement with you don't need it at all. We need to come up with some good American products that. It's clunky and ugly, but it's American and price right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we can't do it anymore. I think this whole thing's a pipe dream.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's something right up your alley though.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine this.

[Martha Radnick]

Maybe you should watch movies before you vote on them. Oscar voters will no longer be able to skip watching some of the nominated movies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unreal that they were able to before. It is just one of the New updated rules announced by the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences.

[Martha Radnick]

Members will now be required to watch all nominated films in each category in order to be eligible to vote in.

[Adam Curry]

The final round of Clip for a second. This is a funny clip because I guess some steering committee came along and looked at all the movies that watched the awards, won the awards and said to themselves, adventure. Did anybody actually watch these films?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what happened.

[Adam Curry]

How do we get some movies that have been winning awards suck.

[Martha Radnick]

Members will now be required to watch all nominated films in each category in order to be eligible to vote in the final round of Oscar voting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now it's even Steven. The Academy also updated its rules to clarify the use of artificial intelligence in movies. It says the technology will not disclose disqualify a film from being able to nab an Oscar nomination. Buried the lead on that one too. Where's the outrage? Scaramungam has a shot. He does in the ultra short movie category of 30 seconds or less, only published ever on X. Francisco Scaramanga.

[Adam Curry]

I thought.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I thought it was interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a story. He played a great China story the Great China.

[Martha Radnick]

Earlier today, in the Eastern District Court of New York, Linda sun and her husband, co defendant Chris Hu, appeared alongside their attorneys for a court conference. The polished look couple allegedly earned millions of dollars in kickbacks for their ties to the Chinese regime. During the court meeting, a prosecutor revealed that they are finalizing Chinese translations of evidence against Sun. Those include text messages, emails and other communications between sun and Chinese officials. These materials are expected to be made public during the trial. Sun served as New York Governor Kathy Hochul's top aide in charge of Asian affairs. In 2023, sun was fired for misconduct without specifying reasons. Last September, federal law enforcement arrested her and and her husband. They now face multiple criminal accounts. Sun is accused of acting as an unregistered foreign agent of Communist China, making her case one of the most high profile cases of its kind. The government accuses sun of furthering Beijing's interests while being a state official, including disclosing internal Covid related meetings to Chinese diplomats and blocking Taiwanese officials. Interactions with two New York images show sun had attended multiple meetings hosted by China's spy agency and other state entities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we had that clip. We had that story.

[Adam Curry]

It was buried. This is from ntd. Where's the mainstream media talking about this? Kathy Hochul and Governor Cuomo's aide. They finally busted her. I mean, they really threw the book at her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you had a three by three.

[Adam Curry]

Even on this yeah, but that was a. They haven't followed up at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to play one of those? The NBC version from September 2024. Sure. A former top aide to New York Governor Kathy Hochul was arrested today on charges of acting as a secret agent of the Chinese government. Chief justice contributor Jonathan Dean says following this. And John, according to prosecutors, how did this work? Yeah, well, prosecutors say Linda sun betrayed her official office by instead acting on requests of Chinese Communist government officials. Son is charged with acting as registered foreign agent. Her husband was also arrested today. He's accused of laundering millions of dollars from China into the U.S. the couple pleaded not guilty in federal court. According to the indictment, the scheme went on for years. In return, Son and her husband were allegedly given business opportunities in China and luxury gifts.

[Martha Radnick]

The FBI says the pair used that money to buy a $4 million home.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Long island and a 2 million.

[Martha Radnick]

Million condo in Hawaii.

[John C. Dvorak]

Governor Hochul's office says Son was fired last year after evidence of misconduct was discovered.

[Adam Curry]

Lester?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so just covered up.

[Adam Curry]

Just ended right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, Hochul is the queen, man. You can't tell she's like the red queen. You can't go messing with her. Before you know it, you get Eric. Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Poor guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. Two minute warning. Do you have one more clip? You want to get in there? There.

[Adam Curry]

I think I may have had. Since you mentioned Eric Adams, I may actually have an Eric Adams clip. What do we got here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, make sure you stay on the mic though, here.

[Adam Curry]

Rikers island fiasco two part and Homan.

[Martha Radnick]

Today also criticized New York City officials for blocking the mayor's executive order that gives a ICE agents access to Rikers island jail entities. Arlene Richards, how house the latest. A clash between Mayor Eric Adams and New York City officials has led to a court order on Monday blocking federal agents from access to Rikers island jail where border czar Tom Holman says several terrorist gang members are being held.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got the City Council filing a.

[Martha Radnick]

Lawsuit to shut down our memorandum of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Understanding, the executive order he signed to get us in Rikers Island.

[Martha Radnick]

A New York judge ordered city officials to temporarily halt a plan allowing federal immigration agents to operate within the Rikers island jail complex. Judge Mary Rosado barred the city from taking any steps toward negotiating, signing or implementing any memorandum of understanding with the federal government before an April 25 hearing. In a suit challenging the plan, Adams said years ago city Council member Robert Holden suggested ICE presence at Rikers Island.

[Adam Curry]

It was interesting the the first person.

[John C. Dvorak]

That brought that to me about utilizing. Right. I saw Rikers was Councilman Holden. This is before.

[Adam Curry]

Before this administration took off and Holden reached out.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a matter of fact, I have a few texts. What is wrong with him? He can't. He can't get three words out at the same time. Concurrently, writers. I saw writer Marcus was Councilman Holden. This is before. Before this administration took off.

[Adam Curry]

Holden reached out.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a matter of fact, I have a few text messages from him that.

[Adam Curry]

Saying, listen, why aren't we doing this?

[Martha Radnick]

Homan said. With Adams permission, Immigration and Customs agents were able to successfully collaborate with state and local law enforcement, leading to the indictment of 27 suspected members of Venezuelan gang Trende Aragua.

[John C. Dvorak]

Arag. Aragua. Aragua.

[Adam Curry]

This is out of control. This resistance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

By the democrats. Now they want the Rikers. The guys are in there. They can just go grab them. But no, no, no. Unbelievable. This part two new die.

[John C. Dvorak]

We sent a strong message. Trend Dog. Well, we're going to. We're going to keep doing this to every TDA member. MSM. Ms. 13 members removed from the country.

[Martha Radnick]

Attorney General Pam Bondi announced on Tuesday that 27 alleged members or affiliates of Trende Aragua had been charged under the RICO statute, a law with widespread application that was historically used to break up a mob organization.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Martha Radnick]

ICE agents previously had a presence on Rikers island, but they were banned from operating there in 2014 under New York City's sanctuary laws. In February, Adams announced he would allow agents to return to Rikers to assist with gang and drug related investigations. Council members in their lawsuit accused Adams of agreeing to plan as a way to pay off the Trump administration in exchange for dropping criminal charges against him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, they're still doing that. It's all no good. This is not a good way to go out.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Wolf. You mean of the show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of the show. Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Anything funny?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I got. I shot my wad on the funny. I'm all done. We should have done the.

[Adam Curry]

I can do the faded tattoo. Faded tattoo is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. This is your last chance.

[Adam Curry]

This is it. It's short.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Martha Radnick]

In 2021, a company announced a new kind of temporary tattoo, one designed to fade after 9 to 15.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ephemeral tattoo is the company. And it was perfect for Ramey Isofano.

[Martha Radnick]

Someone who knew that they did not want a permanent tattoo ever.

[Adam Curry]

Isofano says tattoos are cool. She's just not a long term commitment kind of girl.

[Martha Radnick]

So a few years ago, she thought.

[Adam Curry]

What'S the worst that could happen?

[Martha Radnick]

Little did I know that almost three years later, my silly Chicken on a skateboard tattoo would still be on my upper arm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Emily Kager got her ephemeral tattoo in 2022.

[Martha Radnick]

She's the proud owner of two dogs, Shaggy Goldendoodles. And she thought, why not get one.

[John C. Dvorak]

In space with an astronaut and let's even throw a few stars around them.

[Martha Radnick]

Actually didn't even see the final design until the day of, which at the time felt fine because I wasn't expecting it to stick around forever.

[Adam Curry]

And yet Kager, space dog is also still around, almost three years later. She says she recently had to cover it in a foreign bathhouse where exposed.

[Martha Radnick]

Tattoos are not permitted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not every. Well, I'm glad that our tax money is still going to npr. That is really good. The faded tattoo story. Excellent, John, excellent. If you were wondering what's going to happen next, we got tip of the day. We got end of show mixes, we got knights, we got Commodores, we got meetups, we got all kinds of things. Stuff. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Martha Radnick]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

But first, we will give you a smattering of funny little one liners from the people who supported us. $50 and above. We want to thank everybody, as always, for supporting the show financially so that we can continue to. To do this as a public service and never, ever have to go to a concierge level. John is going to read them for us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I am. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I'm going to do. Starting with Ian Field, $100. Parts unknown. Dakota Cole in Sherwood, Oregon. 100. Ryan Ricken. Rickenhagen in Townsend, Georgia. $100. He's spreading the ITM gospel in Southern Georgia.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Good barbecue down there, sir. Chris not a spook In Arlington, Virginia, which you know what that means.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is A spook, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

8873S. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is, 8880s. The Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. That's followed by Cameron Ling in North Branch, Minnesota. And he says he's here. And 7733 from him. And he's here for John's chimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chimes, the chimes. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good thing to be here for. Brian Kaufman, Scottsdale, Arizona. 7575. Matthew Elwart in Weatherford, Texas. 6006. Andrew Foreman in Boca Raton, Florida. Florida. He needs some jobs, Karma, so we'll give him that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, listen what he says here. He Says he's facing a reorgan work. It's a testimonial. And Linda Loupatkin has me prepared thanks to the show. Huh.

[Adam Curry]

5555 from him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

He also says the show keeps him sane.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's because we're not concierge level.

[Adam Curry]

Carl Vogue Vogler in Dylan Beets, California. 5510. Sir Luke in London, UK. 55 wants collective karma for everybody. Brett Morgan, 5272. This is a newsletter donation. Newsletter donation. That's the only one. Sabod pet in Metairie, Louisiana. 52.72. There's a dollar for each one of Dorian Gray's 50 kids, plus fees. Baron Henry of Outpost West. And he's in ranchos, Palos Verdes. 5242. Jeff Volks and in London. He's also in London, but he's in London, Ontario, Canada. 50, 50. And he wants karma. So we have a lot of karma karma coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Priya in Korea. There you go. $50.50. And it's a birthday shout out to her husband. Would love to surprise him. We are driving back home after our camping trip. Thank you so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's nice.

[Adam Curry]

Happy birthday to Nate in Shining Armor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hope you enjoyed your phone inside the drawer moments. Looking up at the stars with love. Rhea in Korea.

[Adam Curry]

Forest Martin. 5005. Andrew Benz in Imperial, Missouri. 5005. And now the rest are $50 donors. There's a few of them and it's name and location. Starting with Douglas Mook in Cochranton, Pennsylvania. Bold City Virtual Tours in Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Alexa Delgado in Apto. Melissa Alvarez and Ponte Verde. Vedra Pontevedra Beach, Florida. A lot of beach livers today. Brett Denton in Boise. Angus McBride in Manchester, UK. I got some Brits today.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

Good. Robert Vincent in Mars, Pennsylvania. Sir Greg in Newport, North Carolina. And last on our list. Short list, I might add. Very short. Michael Myers in Mandeville, Louisiana. Want to thank everybody that helped us out here on show 1758.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate what you do. You've got your credits. And of course, everybody who came in under $50. We never mentioned those for reasons of anonymity. And we always have those sustaining donors. Any of amount, any frequency. It is so much appreciated. Karma. So we want karma and jobs. Karma. So we'll add the jobs. We'll add a goat to it.

[Martha Radnick]

Jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

No agenda. Donations.com. please support the show. No agenda donations.com. and there we have Sir Haggis wishing his brother Sir Ramen noodles and belated happy birthday. He turned 44 on 4 20. Rhea and Korea. Happy birthday to her husband Nate. They're on their way back. Oh, it's so nice. And sir haggis himself turns 50 years old. I say happy birthday to him and everybody who celebrates a birthday today on behalf of the best podcast in the universe. And that's where Baron Steve Bandstrom of the BNA comes in. He upgraded thanks to an additional $1,000 over time that he supported to the show, so he can now proudly call himself Viscount Steve Banstra of bna. And we appreciate your contribution, sir. We have two commodores. It officially ends May 1, so if you want that handsome commodore certificate, you got to hurry up. Go to no Agenda rings. No Agenda donations dot com. Or is it noagendarings dot com? Or is it noagendacommodores dot com? Where can we find out about the Commodore promotion, john? Is it noagendarings.com?

[Adam Curry]

I think in no Agenda rings you'll find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. We welcome the following two commodores. Commodore Carrie Cates and Commodore Mike. Both of you now official Commodores of the no Agenda Show. Commodores around arriving. We got a layaway note, night note from Pierre Lamouche. Hey, that was a pretty good boson whistle you got there. Pierre says hey, John and Adam in the morning. Or in my case, in the afternoon. A bit long overdue, but my donations have passed the threshold time to make it official. Chevalier. Chevalier. Pierre Lamushe de Franco. Finn.

[Adam Curry]

Chevalier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chevalier. What is a chevalier? It's like a horseman.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I was thinking that might replace the Commodore thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chevalier. Look that up while I'm reading here. Chevalier.

[Adam Curry]

I'll look it up while you're reading.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chevalier. Hoping for something with more culture at the fete Durand table. Normandy Brie from Costco. Oh, wow. Oh, man, did I order these? Normandy brie from Costco. Orangina. Yeah, I don't like class. You're going to Costco and some fush Vashki. Which isn't that the. The. The laughing cow.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, that's exactly what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And for the other night, cheese for other knights. Son culture.

[Adam Curry]

Pardon me. Chevalier is a knight and a member of certain orders of knighthood of modern France, such as the Legion of Honor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that. Chevalier. I knew it was. I knew it had cheval. I knew it had something to do with a horse.

[Adam Curry]

The historical British. Also the title of James and Charles Stuart, pretenders to the English throne.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is our one French guy. He says please give.

[Adam Curry]

Or one French guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is it. Please give. Emmanuel Macron double goat Karma with hopes he might repent and break up the father son duo. Because we all know, repenting.

[Adam Curry]

Is he talking about his.

[John C. Dvorak]

His wife.

[Adam Curry]

His wife being his father?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Repenting sufficiently to free the French people from the grip of EU turn tyranny. If his demons can be cast out, he might even let Marine Le Pen have a fair election. Election as next president. Oui, oui, oui. All zwee home. Merci for your ongoing courage. May your exit strategy remain ever elusive. Sorry, but we love you guys. Selfishly want to keep you around.

[Adam Curry]

Pierre Lamouche, Italian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm doing my best here. So that means that we not only knight him, but we also knight two other gentlemen. So if you can grab your blade there for a second.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got it right. Here we we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

So step on up, Pierre. Pierre Le Mouche, Mark Kachorski and Schwede. All three of you now become Knights of the know Agenda Round Table. Or as some would say as chevalier. So I hereby pronounce the KD as Sir Chevalier Pierre Lamouche de Francophonie, Sir Red Devil and Sir Schweddy for you at the round table by request, we have Hookers of Low Rent boys and Chardonnay. But also, also we have Sapporo and Sushi Belhaven Scottish ale on tap, of course, Normandy Brie from Costco, Orangina and a little bit of Vashtini. Along with that, we always have the Bongits and bourbon, sparkling cider, Nescorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum, and of course, the mutton and the mead. Head over to noahginderings.com gentlemen. That is where you will find the beautiful and handsome knight ring. It's a signet ring. So we give you two sticks of wax. You can do anything you want with it. But we suggest using it to seal your important core spot and as always, a certificate of authenticity. Welcome both to the roundtable and thank you so much for your courage and for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Yes, the no Agenda meetups to be [e-mail] this is where you get together with other slaves of Gitmo Nation all around. Gitmo Nation. It is a global phenomenon People like to organize these all the time and frequently. Again, you can find the list and the calendar at noagendameetups.com connection gives you production. When you go to these meetups, these are the people who will help you out. They are truly your first responders in an emergency. I've been requesting people put their servers into their meetup reports. And the toomanyeggs.com Southwest New Hampshire meetup took it very seriously in the morning.

[Martha Radnick]

Gentlemen, this is Cryptoduke. We're at the too many eggs.com meetup number 11 here in key New Hampshire at margaritas. I'm gonna pass the phone around to other people here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Josh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir. Lorna Beef. How are you doing, guys? It is an interesting day because we had months ago a trainee waiter who is actually six months ago and at this point he has announced he is leaving. So we had his first day in this position and his last day in this position. You will hear from him later. His name is Chase.

[Martha Radnick]

Hey you two, it's Joanne. Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi guys, this is Chase and yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They, they came in when I was.

[John C. Dvorak]

First starting here about six months ago, training and now, now today comes my last day and I got him again and obviously it was great.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I tried doing my best and just hope that everyone loves the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Place, you know, come back. And I got my trainee Jade here with me today as well. So kind of a full circle moment. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Going from the trainee to the trainer. But yeah, now I'm wrapping up here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here you go.

[Martha Radnick]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, in the morning, guys. All right, let's review. No, that was not what I was talking about. A quick hello, I'm the server. I love no agenda. But anyway, thank you very much, Chase. Couple of meetups taking place today. The North Georgia two year anniversary meetup, 6 o'clock at Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia. It's like a party. In Sacra in a few hours at 6 o'clock at sackyard in Sacramento, California. On Saturday, the no agenda Central Ohio meetup that kicks off at noon at Jackie O's in Columbus. And The Michigan Local 1 tariff free meetup, no tariffs. 3 must have some kind of concierge package. 333 Brewer Becker in Brighton, Michigan. That's Saturday. Also on Saturday, flight of the no agenda number 62 Leo Bravo does it again. 3333 at Proud Bird in Los Angeles. And our last meetup also on Saturday, escape from Chicago at 4:00 in Reggie's in Chicago, Illinois. I Guess you go there and then you plan your escape. Many more happening around the world. Go to noagendameetups.com this is where you can find every single one of them. If you can't find wood near you, here's a bright idea. Start one yourself. Noagendameetups.com Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on hell.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is just like a party. Just like a party. And let's see. Oh, yes. It's time for the ISOs. This is where John comes up with some stupid AI stuff. And I tried to beat him. I tried to beat the machine. This is now my. Do you even have ISOs today? No, you have no ISOs.

[Adam Curry]

So your whole premise is bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you just gave up. It's like, because you couldn't come up, you didn't want to pay the 20 bucks to 11 labs to come up with new voices, you just gave up.

[Adam Curry]

No, I've got some in abeyance. I'm having an outsider do some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why did you. Why did you give up? For today, you have to have at least one ISO.

[Adam Curry]

I have nothing because I just completely dropped the ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I only have two.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, wrangle up that best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That was no good.

[Adam Curry]

That sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is the one.

[Martha Radnick]

I'm not AI Boomer.

[Adam Curry]

That's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is better than anything, than nothing.

[Adam Curry]

The first one was better.

[Martha Radnick]

I'm not AI Boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not AI Boomer. You don't like that one?

[Adam Curry]

No, I can. I can't understand her.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the kid named Wave. Well, but then what are we gonna do?

[Adam Curry]

Play the first one again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. I can cut it off. I mean, I could make it short. It's too long. This is bad. But I have this one. That's a lot of tips. I can't hear that one either.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, wrangle up that best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, we're gonna have to go with that.

[Adam Curry]

Take a second. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Off. I'd be over the second. The second ya is gone. But now it is time for the moment you've all been waiting for. This is the original John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me.

[Martha Radnick]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, created by Dana Bernetti. So I've been getting these. This another. This happens about once a month. I'll do a cleaning tip. And this is another one. And these are all these brands. These brands I never heard of, but they seem to make really good quality products. And this one in particular is Grandma's Secret spot remover. So this is a laundry spray that has no chlorine, no bleached, toxin free. A stain remover for clothes fabric stain that takes out oil, blood, paint and pet stains.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Goes for about 18 bucks for two bottles. You can get it on Amazon and elsewhere. But it's called. But the brand is Grandma's secret.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now does it also take out wine and tomato sauce? Because those are my two favorite spots to make it should. Okay, kind of an anticlimactic there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know. I haven't used it. This is one of Mimi's tips.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, Bill O'Reilly, at least he uses the stuff that he recommends.

[Adam Curry]

This is like a Mimi tip. There's a couple of things in abeyance that I put aside because I haven't used them, but people have recommended them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't we just check them out? Why don't we just.

[Adam Curry]

But Mimi, I trust her. She knows what she's doing when it comes to cleaning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't we just get Mimi on the show for the tip of the day?

[Adam Curry]

This is one tip from Mimi and I'll tell her that you hate her.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because I need the tax information. Don't tell her just yet. Wait until I get the K1. All right, everybody, there it is. John C. Dvorak. Tip of the day tipoftheday.net and no agenda. Fun.com and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. No Ow. No concierge level needed for your tip of the here at the no Agenda show. In fact, you don't need anything to enjoy the media deconstruction that we bring to you twice a week now in our 18th year, we are proud to do it as a public service. However, if you get any value from the show, consider supporting us. Noagendadonations.com yeah, and get in on the.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore ship before it ends.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and the Chevalier ship. We have three end of show mixes which are all brand new. Sir Michael Anthony. We got Professor J. Jones and sound guy Steve. It's been a while. He's back as well. I think you'll enjoy them. They are definitely ones for the archives. And coming up next on the live stream in your modern podcast app, Trollroom IO no Agenda Stream the Millennial Media Offensive. This is already episode 166. Everybody loves the MMO show. It's a big hit over there at the in the troll room. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where JFK Jr is coming back and any minute now we're going to be under martial law. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm from northern Silicon Valley where we don't see martial law coming in, but the fog is coming in. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We return on Sunday. Please join us then and remember us again. Noagendadonations.com for a good time, go to noagendadonations.com until then, adios mofos. A hooey, hooey and such. Hello, this is Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum. You may have heard by now I am retiring. Yeah, I give up. The new world order is kaput. We are losing bots. We will do everything in our tower to drag you down. Visas. This is not over. Hasta la vista, baby. By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic. Government will know what causes autism by September. You guys mark it on your calendars. Maybe it's some spray that we spray that other places don't.

[Martha Radnick]

Gulp Spray.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know Kennedy knows it's vaccines. Those of us who didn't get it never regretted not taking it. Time will tell whether he totally cucks out why are there so many kids on this?

[Adam Curry]

Scientists do not know exactly what causes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kennedy knows it's vaccines. Autistic have increased exponentially Delusion former got nothing to hide.

[Adam Curry]

80% of autism is vaccine induced out.

[Martha Radnick]

We were sold but most prefer deceiver.

[John C. Dvorak]

Autism experts went wrong with vaccine. I know Kennedy knows it's vaccines. One day he'll find it partly compromises.

[Adam Curry]

Or gradually reveal the vax connection proof.

[John C. Dvorak]

Virology is a fake science entirely pretend and the vaccines are an extension of that fictional science who said that every autism experts inspected when studies don't go.

[Adam Curry]

So they just need a couple more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Centuries to do some research you guys that most dupes believe scientists do not.

[Adam Curry]

Know exactly what causes it. The cause of autism is anti Semitism.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's so pervading. Kennedy knows it's vaccines. Sheep grazing watching them roll up their.

[Adam Curry]

Sleeves about Coachella One day he'll find.

[John C. Dvorak]

It the spectrum connection Bobby the best.

[Adam Curry]

Kennedy what Trump did with this comment and I have a term for this what Trump's doing it's called the blurt.

[John C. Dvorak]

The blurt.

[Adam Curry]

The blurt. And this is basically what he did with they're eating the dog. What I say is what I say, and honestly, if you don't like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists.

[Adam Curry]

This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton. Death, destruction, terrorism and weakness In Springfield. They're eating the dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the blurt.

[Adam Curry]

Trump just did it on the fly. I don't care what anybody thinks. The US Will take over the Gaza.

[John C. Dvorak]

Strip and we will do a job with it, too.

[Martha Radnick]

He has also said that the United States is not going to pay for the rebuilding of Gaza and we will.

[Adam Curry]

Pursue our manifest destiny into the stars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Launching American astronauts to plant the Stars.

[Adam Curry]

And Stripes on the planet Mars.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got another blurt. This is a Boomer blurt. We're telling Ukraine they have very valuable rare earth. So we're looking to do a deal with Ukraine where they're going to secure what we're giving them with their rare earth and other things.

[Martha Radnick]

He didn't say he wasn't going to invade Greenland, but he didn't rule it out either.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to have Greenland.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a question of. Do you think we can do without it? We can. Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. I'm not going to give you a question. You are fake news. Let's find out if they're friends or foe. And if they're foe, let's take care of that. Son of a. I wish they'd make our country great, but they're going to destroy our country. They call her Pocahontas. They're eating the dogs. Best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo.

[Adam Curry]

Dvorak.org Na, yeah, wrangle up that best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcast in the universe.