John C. Dvorak (3:08)

Yeah, okay. Same as it ever was. They talked to this poor 18 year old kid for a year, hyping him up. They got pictures of him doing Allah bar with the ISIS flag. Hey, kid, hey. Fly this drone around and the minute he gets to go, we got you. We're protecting you, America. Cash impeach Cash Patel. That is lame. It would be one thing he's like, oh, you know, that was the previous FBI.

Adam Curry (3:34)

But no, why would they change a formula that works?

John C. Dvorak (3:38)

It doesn't work.

Adam Curry (3:39)

Except for you.

John C. Dvorak (3:40)

It's entrapment of always ends up getting off.

Adam Curry (3:45)

Most of these guys end up getting off.

John C. Dvorak (3:47)

This is a child who was just being jacked up and they should have said to him, hey, hey, son, sit down. A year ago. Sit down, son. What is wrong with you? Let's talk to you about this for doing that.

Adam Curry (3:58)

Oh, that's, that's. That's 30 years.

John C. Dvorak (4:00)

Yeah, but this is Maga. This is America. This is new America. This is not Biden's America. What is this nonsense?

Adam Curry (4:09)

Bush era did it. Yeah, well, of course everybody did it.

John C. Dvorak (4:13)

But this is MAGA time. The Kash Patel was going to be different. It was going to be different. I'm going to do everything different.

Adam Curry (4:18)

No, When's the last time that happened?

John C. Dvorak (4:20)

Well, I'm just saying that I'm very disappointed. Very disappointed. What a. What a loser system. Oh, come on, kid. Here, I'll show you how to make a Molotov cocktail.

Adam Curry (4:36)

Ammunition. Like you just can't. Like you can't go out and buy it. What?

John C. Dvorak (4:40)

Make your own ammo shot makes man. Emma will keep you busy. These guys have been working this for a year. Wasting our money on this nonsense.

Adam Curry (4:46)

Well, that I agree with that part of it.

John C. Dvorak (4:49)

Nonsense. No, it's just. It is. It is not cool. Very disappointing. He's up there now with AG Barbie. Strike one against Bo. Actually, Ag Barbie has two strikes for Epstein and for jfk. I'm sure she was probably. She's probably out there today too. Well, we saved everybody.

Adam Curry (5:10)

You're gonna go with that? Strikes. What about Diddy?

John C. Dvorak (5:14)

What about Diddy?

Adam Curry (5:16)

Where's this the five? Where's the tapes?

John C. Dvorak (5:19)

Well, the tapes apparently were showed in court.

Adam Curry (5:22)

Well, some.

John C. Dvorak (5:23)

Well, yeah, yeah, the freak off tapes here.

Adam Curry (5:26)

Sean Diddy Combs and Cassie Ventura on the red carpet for a movie premiere in March of 2016. Jurors shown similar pictures from that night. Today in court in the sex trafficking and racketeering trial of Combs. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges against him. Ventura and Combs were dating at the time, but split in 2018, taking the stand for a second day. She told jurors she wore a lot of makeup and sunglasses that night to cover bruising on her face. Ventura testifying those bruises were caused by Combs two days before the premiere during a drug fueled sex party he called a freak off. Jurors Combs threw a vase of flowers at her when she tried to leave the hotel. The jury seeing this image showing shards of glass on the floor in the hotel hallway. This video of Combs hallway beating.

John C. Dvorak (6:14)

What? No, no, no, no, no. Listen.

Adam Curry (6:17)

Kicking her in that hallway was also entered into evidence. Prosecutors showing the jury seven still images from those videos. In court today, Vent testified when she got home, a friend noticed that injury at her swollen lip and called police. She said she didn't want to name Combs, so police left. Jurors showed his Ventura to Combs saying, you are sick for thinking it's okay to do what you've done. A prosecutor asked, how frequently did Sean put his hands on you during freak offs? Ventura responded, too frequently. A lot. The singer testified the freak offs also became private pornography shoots with Combs setting up video equipment to record that she felt humiliated. Testifying it was just not okay for me. And that she felt like an object without a choice in whether or not to participate. Ventura testifying. Combs threatened.

John C. Dvorak (7:05)

I'm sure that this clip said they showed the freak off videos. Hold on.

Adam Curry (7:08)

Her career and family. Prosecutors showing the jury and only the jury some of those videos in court today.

John C. Dvorak (7:14)

Aha. Told you.

Adam Curry (7:16)

The defense is arguing Ventura. That tells us not. They sold some of the. Only the jurors. Some of the what videos. Which ones?

John C. Dvorak (7:24)

The freak off video. She said it right there. The freak off videos that were. That were recorded by Combs here saying.

Adam Curry (7:29)

She feared for her career and family. Prosecutors showing the jury and only the jury some of those videos in court today.

John C. Dvorak (7:36)

Yeah, the freak off videos. They've shown them some of the freak off videos.

Adam Curry (7:40)

So you keep throwing the word freak off.

John C. Dvorak (7:43)

They said it.

Adam Curry (7:44)

She said they showed the jury some of the videos. They didn't say freak off videos. You can play it over and over again and you're hearing it wrong.

John C. Dvorak (7:52)

They're talking about the pornographic video shot during the freak. Listen, listen. Open your ears and listen.

Adam Curry (7:59)

From Ventura to Combs saying you are sick for thinking it's okay to do what You've done. A prosecutor asked, how frequently did Sean put his hands on you during freak offs? Ventura responded, too frequently. A lot. The singer testified the freak offs also became private pornography shoots, with Combs setting up video equipment to record that she felt humiliated, testifying it was just not okay for me. And that she felt like an object without a choice in whether or not to participate. Ventura testifying Combs threatened to release. Released the videos when he was upset about something, saying she feared for her career and family. Prosecutors showing the jury, and only the jury some of those videos in court today.

John C. Dvorak (8:39)

That's. So it's those videos that's clear from the report. You agree?

Adam Curry (8:44)

No, Okay. I. It's inferred.

John C. Dvorak (8:49)

Yes.

Adam Curry (8:49)

It's implied.

John C. Dvorak (8:50)

They're saying the video, the freak off videos. She was. Oh, okay.

Adam Curry (8:54)

But they don't use it. They don't present it that way.

John C. Dvorak (8:57)

Okay.

Adam Curry (8:58)

I'm going to parse it. Because that's what they do. That's what the media does. They, they say one thing and then they kind of lead you astray and then make you sound like you're something. Like something's going on when it's not. Unless they said they showed them freak off videos. I'm not. They show them videos. Okay, well, they showed videos.

John C. Dvorak (9:16)

Some of those videos and okay, whatever. You just hear it differently.

Adam Curry (9:20)

That's fine.

John C. Dvorak (9:21)

That's fine. It's fine. You know what? I spoke to those high school kids here yesterday morning, and it was really.

Adam Curry (9:27)

Well, that's right. You were a big. You were the superstar speaker to the high school.

John C. Dvorak (9:34)

Yes. And it was actually very good for me because I realized as I was sitting there talking about it was supposed to be a propaganda. And if you look up the definition of propaganda, it is influencing people through communications. Doesn't have to be mass communications. Can even be through hairdos or hats or anything like that to work on their emotions. That's exactly what it is. And I referred to Edward Bernays, who wrote the book, and that was all before Hitler. And that was 1929, when he had the suffragettes and the torches of freedom.

Adam Curry (10:15)

Kisses, cigarettes.

John C. Dvorak (10:17)

Yeah. And as I'm going through it, I'm like, every single thing, even stuff you and I say is all propaganda. And when I said, who do you think is the biggest propagandist in America right now? One kid, Levi, stuck up his hand. He went, president Donald Trump. He said, yes, Maga. He's got hats, he's got a slogan. It's just, he's not playing on fear necessarily. And then I Just remembered, you don't.

Adam Curry (10:40)

Have to play on fear to make it propaganda.

John C. Dvorak (10:42)

No, no, but fear is much easier to do. But you know, all most people have is he's Hitler, he's taking free jets. Speaking of which, I see you have a three by three. I guess the, the Jones Brothers syndicate has brought you back into their inner circle. Am I assuming this correctly?

Adam Curry (11:02)

They chum the water once in a while.

John C. Dvorak (11:05)

Now it's time for three by three. Show them the water experiment by jcd.

Adam Curry (11:10)

Oh yeah, baby.

John C. Dvorak (11:11)

Comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC.

Adam Curry (11:16)

The never ending three by three.

John C. Dvorak (11:18)

So before you get into it, I, I just want to say that is it possible that someone in the M5M news media will figure out the algorithm that is President Donald Trump? Do they not understand by now that this is, to use a term, chum in the water to look over here while I'm doing something over there? Because if you even try to figure out where did this story come from about the jet, where did it come from? It came from the Trump administration themselves. They planted this, they launched it and everybody, everyone went for it. It is baffling how he's agree.

Adam Curry (12:03)

He's the master troller. Everybody knows this.

John C. Dvorak (12:05)

He's a master propagandist. It was fantastic. He played right into them.

Adam Curry (12:11)

No, they played right into him.

John C. Dvorak (12:13)

Yes, they played right into him. And I'm just like, the BBC is doing a better job at reporting these days than anything we have. And oh man, they even have it. What was the name they have now for it? What was. I saw the Rising. What is the Rising? Had something. The Rising. The Rising.

Adam Curry (12:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (12:35)

Here, listen to this. Bright Force One controversy. Bribe Force One. Oh, we have a name for it. Oh, yes, it's a controversy. He's taking favors from Qatar. He can't fly in a jet that might explode in midair because they've planted bombs on it or are eavesdropping. How feeble minded are you people or are they just playing a game? Do you think they really know it all? And they're like, okay, we'll play the game? Is that possible?

Adam Curry (13:00)

No. I worked in there.

John C. Dvorak (13:04)

Then you and I are working amongst people who are below our intelligence level. I don't know if we can do this anymore. It is so insulting that this just, you know, and it's just the news is filled with it. Here in the United States, we have no news. No news. It's all Entertainment Tonight.

Adam Curry (13:23)

Reminds me, you know, I was watching cbs, I didn't get any clips from their show, but CBS With John Dickerson and this other character whose name I can never remember is French. And they're trying to recreate the Chet Huntley, David Brinkley combo. Two guys yakking with each other and it just not working. You can tell that both these guys. One guy's big. He's a big dark skinned guy with a French name. He's maybe black, he may be Spanish, I can't tell. And John Dickerson, who's white as you can be, and beta, he's very soft spoken and this and that. And these two guys are like, just like, like water and oil. I mean, they don't, you can tell they don't like each other because Huntley and Brinkley, people don't remember them. I'm old enough to. They were, they were cordial, they liked each other, they would hang out. You could just tell. And it was a good team. He watched these two guys. It's like watching, you know, a couple that just hates each other.

John C. Dvorak (14:31)

Here's another, here's another thing I realized in preparation for my big speech for the high school. These kids, why would they listen to this show? The next generation is not interested in what we're doing. They don't watch television at all. At all. At all.

Adam Curry (14:50)

At all.

John C. Dvorak (14:50)

Zero. They don't watch pbs. They don't listen to npr. None of this. It's, it's, you know, we're, we're.

Adam Curry (15:01)

You brought this up. And it reminds me, I have seen some notes from some of this group. There are some kids who do, but it's rare.

John C. Dvorak (15:10)

A few. A few, sure.

Adam Curry (15:12)

But I have seen notes to this effect. What you just said, condemning the show. Because who cares about what CBS said? I mean, it's not the fact that CBS still has millions and millions of viewers. And it does affect the public and it definitely affects Washington more than anything because the people in Washington, our leaders all watch these networks, our leaders all read the New York Times, etc. And so that. So there's some reason to do this, but not much. Basically condemning us for being. What difference does it make?

John C. Dvorak (15:54)

We need to be screaming and yelling about other podcasters. These kids. Here was my test. Anyone hear about the President Trump jet controversy? Three hands. Three. Three hands. This has been blanketing our media for a week. Three hands.

Adam Curry (16:12)

How many kids were there? A hundred?

John C. Dvorak (16:14)

No, less than that. And I say, how many of you have heard about the TikTok ban?

Adam Curry (16:17)

Boom.

John C. Dvorak (16:18)

All hands up. What was it about? China's tracking us. Of course, I dispelled that for them. But that's that's, that's the whole point is like you actually I've been withholding you from the right direction from the show. We just need to do wall to wall tick tock clips, man. Wall to wall.

Adam Curry (16:38)

That's on today.

John C. Dvorak (16:39)

Yeah, it just needs to do wall to wall Tick tock clubs. Tick tock clubs. Tick tick tock talk clubs. And we just got to be commenting on them and we got to be talking about Megyn Kelly and we gotta be talking about Dave Smith on Tucker Carlson and about all these people. People. That's, that's, that is the future of the show. Otherwise we're riding our audience into the pearly Gates. Into the Pearly Gates said for what.

Adam Curry (17:04)

That and I think other would others would agree. Now I do have a Dave, Dave Smith clip I want to play later which reiterate the reason I'm, I caught this. It's a real good one too. You'll, you'll get a kick out of it. I don't think most people caught it, but it reiterates something else that we've in the background have discussed.

John C. Dvorak (17:26)

Well, do you want to do the three by three first or you want to go.

Adam Curry (17:28)

I'm sorry, you already introduced the three by three. We've got three clips about the stupid jet.

John C. Dvorak (17:34)

Three clips.

Adam Curry (17:34)

And by the way, I want to.

John C. Dvorak (17:36)

You kids don't watch.

Adam Curry (17:38)

The kids don't care about. But I'll tell you this, this is not an emolument situation as far as I can tell. You have to remember that we receive gifts from foreign countries all the time.

John C. Dvorak (17:50)

We do.

Adam Curry (17:52)

The Statue of Liberty.

John C. Dvorak (17:53)

Oh, no. I thought you and me like the show. Like, I'm like, what do I wish. Send me a jacket.

Adam Curry (17:59)

We get a box of candy once.

John C. Dvorak (18:01)

In a while from out of state. Yeah. Yes.

Adam Curry (18:07)

I do get some sweatshirts and hoodies.

John C. Dvorak (18:09)

Yeah. But your point is well made. Of course, there's all kinds of gifts. But you know, the whole idea here is let's start some noise that makes it look like Trump is trying to benefit from his kids. You know, they're doing hotels in Qatar. And this is all, this is always a grift. It's a grift, man. It's a bunch of grifters. That's the implication.

Adam Curry (18:33)

So let's start with, let's start with the CIA and the cbs.

John C. Dvorak (18:42)

Air Force One, an undeniable representation of American power, ferried President Trump to the Middle east today.

Adam Curry (18:48)

But three months ago, the president toured.

John C. Dvorak (18:50)

An opulent Boeing 747 described as a flying palace with a master bedroom, elegant bathrooms and staircase offered to the US Government free of charge by the royal family of Qatar.

Adam Curry (19:01)

Trump seems all in. I could be a stupid person, say, no, we don't want a free, very expensive airplane. But it was, I thought it was a great gesture. Frank Kendall served as Air Force secretary.

John C. Dvorak (19:14)

In the Biden administration and says this idea shouldn't fly.

Adam Curry (19:18)

It's a symbol of the presidency.

John C. Dvorak (19:19)

It's a symbol of the American people.

Adam Curry (19:21)

And it's just frankly wrong for the president to be flying an airplane which.

John C. Dvorak (19:24)

When anyone sees it, will be seen.

Adam Curry (19:26)

As a gift gutter.

John C. Dvorak (19:27)

The Cuttery plane is built by Boeing in the US but it would have to be scrubbed for spyware and it lacks at least a billion dollars worth of presidential parts, a flying situation room, a medical clinic, and top secret technology.

Adam Curry (19:40)

Air Force One is a flying White House. It is equipped with everything the president needs that you can get into a 747 so he can do his job while he's traveling. This aircraft will not have those things. So how much is it going to cost to retrofit a palace into the White House? It would take years and it would be very expensive.

John C. Dvorak (19:58)

But Kendall says the commander in chief.

Adam Curry (20:01)

Has the power to fly on any aircraft he wants.

John C. Dvorak (20:04)

And he can say, I don't care about any of those things.

Adam Curry (20:06)

All I want is a luxurious airplane that I can fly around on.

John C. Dvorak (20:11)

Ed, is our other lawmakers in Washington.

Adam Curry (20:13)

Okay with this gift? No. Oh, there's bipartisan condemnation of this.

John C. Dvorak (20:18)

Democrats are saying they're going to block.

Adam Curry (20:19)

Justice Department nominees because officials there have signed off on this agreement. The president himself, back in his first term, accused Qatar of being a funder of terrorism, but for now says he wants the plane.

John C. Dvorak (20:30)

You know, the thing that I don't think anyone mentioned might be in your three by threes, not a single person, news person or not mentioned that, that the term Air Force One is any. If the, if the president decides to get into a Cessna 172 and fly around, that is then Air Force One. So just a small point, but they didn't even make that.

Adam Curry (20:57)

No, they don't make any points. And said this is all bad. By the way, it's interesting. These, not the guys on the networks, but all these people, these spokespeople. I'm starting to hear this. More and more people are pronouncing, you know, Cutter's been pronounced gutter, gutter, gutter. You noticed it too?

John C. Dvorak (21:13)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (21:13)

Good. Or it's gutter.

John C. Dvorak (21:15)

It's Cutter. You can say Cutter or Qatar. I always. I like guitar better.

Adam Curry (21:20)

Guitars. I like guitar better.

John C. Dvorak (21:22)

It sounds like a guitar, you know.

Adam Curry (21:23)

Yeah, guitar.

John C. Dvorak (21:24)

I play my guitar and Qatar and my chicks for free.

Adam Curry (21:29)

So. Yes, I've noticed this gutter thing myself.

John C. Dvorak (21:32)

Well, I'm sure the subliminal gutter. It's just the gutter. The gutter over there.

Adam Curry (21:36)

That, that's the re. There's a reason to say gutter.

John C. Dvorak (21:39)

Well, there's a reason to say Keev.

Adam Curry (21:42)

So let's go with. Let's move to. I'm going to say. Let's go to NBC.

John C. Dvorak (21:46)

The President is defending his decision to accept a super luxury jumbo jet from.

Adam Curry (21:51)

The Qatari government for the Pentagon to.

John C. Dvorak (21:53)

Use as the new Air Force One amid ongoing delays for a replacement jet from Boeing. A White House official confirms these are pictures of its interior. The President says the jet will be.

Adam Curry (22:04)

Transferred to the Trump Presidential Library foundation.

John C. Dvorak (22:07)

When he leaves office.

Adam Curry (22:09)

The White House says legal details are still being worked out on the proposed.

John C. Dvorak (22:12)

Gift while Qatar says no final agreement has been reached.

Adam Curry (22:16)

I think that was a very nice gesture. Now I could be a stupid person to say, oh, no, we don't want a free plane. We give free things. We'll take one, too.

John C. Dvorak (22:24)

Aviation experts tell NBC News the jet would likely have to be dismantled part.

Adam Curry (22:29)

By part to look for listening devices.

John C. Dvorak (22:31)

Then upgraded with expensive systems, midair refueling and missile defense. Democrats are blasting the proposed gift as.

Adam Curry (22:39)

A threat to national security. And what people will now see is.

John C. Dvorak (22:42)

Wait a minute, don't they want him dead? Isn't this, wouldn't this be great? Yeah, get on that plane, man. Who knows what's going on now? It's a threat to national security all of a sudden.

Adam Curry (22:52)

Blasting the proposed gift as a threat to national security. And what people will now see is the most powerful man on earth flying around in a plane paid for by a foreign government. It's disgusting. It's wildly corrupt.

John C. Dvorak (23:08)

It's corrupt. There you go. It's corrupt. They all took the chum. It's like a chew toy.

Adam Curry (23:16)

Like, you know, there's another aspect of my chew toy. Another aspect of this is to give the needle to Boeing for not finishing the jet. They're supposed to be. This was taking 10 years and they can't get this, you know, the 747 presidential upgrade done.

John C. Dvorak (23:34)

To me, that was the whole point of saying it.

Adam Curry (23:37)

That's what I think. I think it was one of the points for sure.

John C. Dvorak (23:39)

Well, but then he subsequently went and did like a hundred billion plus dollar deal for Boeing. And he said, get those jets out there, boys. Come on now. Yeah. Can't believe we're discussing this, but that's exactly what your propagandistic news media all around the world has done. And we only have one left.

Adam Curry (24:02)

And this will take it to abc. And the reason, saving ABC to the end. I do want to mention that on today's. It was very interesting. On today's the View, they had the regular team and then they brought Kelsey Grammer on to talk about his.

John C. Dvorak (24:18)

What does he have? Does he have a new movie book? A new book?

Adam Curry (24:23)

What is a tell all book? Because he's been stressed about the murder of his sister 50 years ago.

John C. Dvorak (24:31)

Wow. Kelsey Grammer's an interesting dude, man.

Adam Curry (24:35)

He's got this book. So they brought him out.

John C. Dvorak (24:38)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (24:39)

Sonny Hostin and Joy Behar were not on the set when Kelsey was on the set.

John C. Dvorak (24:44)

Huh.

Adam Curry (24:46)

Now I thought, well, maybe they filmed it some other time. But once Kelsey left the set, those two came back on.

John C. Dvorak (24:52)

I wonder why.

Adam Curry (24:53)

Well, because Kelsey works for Fox and he's a Republican.

John C. Dvorak (24:57)

Kelsey Grammer works for Fox.

Adam Curry (24:59)

Yeah, he's on the Fox. Whatever. That streaming service is doing history lessons.

John C. Dvorak (25:06)

I missed that. Yeah, it's a gig.

Adam Curry (25:11)

Well, it is a gig, but the fact is that those two stiffs would not. ABC has got to get it together. They can't put up with this guy. You can't do that. You can't walk out on a guess because of politics when they're talking about a book about a dead sister.

John C. Dvorak (25:29)

Like anyone, like anyone cares what they do on the View. Who cares?

Adam Curry (25:34)

These old badass Abcster don't care.

John C. Dvorak (25:37)

No, no, they don't.

Adam Curry (25:39)

But. So here we go. So I save ABC for last because they're the worst. President Trump Today defended the $400 million gift he wants to accept from the government of Qatar. A massive 7478 luxury jet that's been called a flying palace. The jet, which is bigger and more luxur Air Force One would almost certainly be the most expensive gift ever from a foreign power. It has two fully furnished floors, plush carpet, leather couches, and two bedrooms. Under the entirely unprecedented arrangement, the Cuttery royal family would give the plane to the Pentagon to be used as Air Force One. But shortly before Trump leaves office, ownership would transfer to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation. I would never be one to turn down the that kind of an offer. I mean, I could be a stupid person say, no, we don't want a free, very expensive airplane. Democrats say accepting the Cuttery jet would be clearly illegal. Violating the Constitution's ban on gifts from foreign heads of state.

John C. Dvorak (26:40)

His shameless self enrichment is without equal in American history.

Adam Curry (26:44)

Hillary Clinton pointed to the President's comments that children might have to settle for just two dolls because of the impact of his tariffs. Clinton posting, so American children should make to with two dolls. While Donald Trump gets a free sky palace from the Qatari government.

John C. Dvorak (27:00)

Well done, abc. Oh, well done.

Adam Curry (27:03)

Okay. And the top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, Jack Reed, flagged alarming national security concerns warning using the Qatari jet as the new Air Force One would, quote, pose immense counterintelligence risks by granting a foreign nation potential access to sensitive systems and communications. Trump today angrily dismissed the criticism. They're giving us a free jet. I could say, no, no, no, don't give us, I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is. Or I could say, thank you very much. Attorney General Pam Bondi argues the arrangement with Cutter is legal, insisting the plane is not a bribe because the Cuttery royal family is getting nothing in return.

John C. Dvorak (27:47)

So that was Jonathan Karl, right?

Adam Curry (27:49)

Yep.

John C. Dvorak (27:50)

So, John, did you see Jonathan Karl getting interviewed about this huge story he's been talking about?

Adam Curry (27:57)

No.

John C. Dvorak (27:58)

Oh, yes.

Adam Curry (27:59)

In the meantime, we turn to the uproar over the $400 million gift from the government of Qatar tonight. A luxury 747 jumbo jet to be used as Air Force One until the end of Trump's term when the White House says it would be decommissioned and donated to the Trump Library. Tonight, President Trump answering questions on this, and there are many critics asking, is this ethical, Is it legal and how safe is it for an American president to be flying on a jet given to him by foreign nation President Trump.

John C. Dvorak (28:26)

Saying he would be a stupid person.

Adam Curry (28:28)

To turn the offer down. Jonathan Karl broke the story and John's back on this tonight. He broke the story, not break the story.

John C. Dvorak (28:36)

He broke it, baby. Jonathan Karl is the man. He broke the story. He had inside sources that, oh, they're giving Trump. Someone in the White House called Jonathan Karl and said, that's why, by the way, that's why Trump did this.

Adam Curry (28:54)

Mr. President, would you say to people who view that luxury jet as a personal gift to you, why not leave it behind? You're ABC fake news, right? Why not leave it only abc? Well, a few of you would let me tell you.

John C. Dvorak (29:06)

So he calls out ABC fake news because he gave the story to ABC to humiliate them. It's so obvious what's going on here. And they took the baits and the hook and the line and the sinker. But Jonathan Karl, he's a hero.

Adam Curry (29:22)

President Trump today defended the 400.

John C. Dvorak (29:25)

That's similar to your clip. I want to get to the. Jonathan Karl. He listened to this. Okay.

Adam Curry (29:31)

Trump today angrily dismissed the criticism. They're giving us a free jet.

John C. Dvorak (29:35)

We had all that. Maybe this. Okay, John, you broke the story.

Adam Curry (29:38)

All right, John Carl, you broke the story. John, you laid out there many of the questions, but there's another one, and it's a big one. You know, folks are asking, how safe would this be for an American president be flying around on a jet given by a foreign government? And wouldn't this jet have to be significantly taken apart to make sure it's secure from surveillance from spying? And how long would that take, David? It would require extensive modifications. The Air Force has strict requirements for any presidential aircraft in terms of the security and communications features. A presidential plane must be able to operate even in the event of a nuclear blast. Blast, as you mentioned, it would have to go through a security sweep to search for listening devices and tracking devices. How long would it take the White House? White House officials have suggested it could be done by the end of the year, but many experts say it could actually take years to accomplish all of that. Right, John Carl, who broke the story on this Week?

John C. Dvorak (30:31)

John Carlton. He was handed the story so they could be humiliated. Trump is in his element here, and he got everything he wanted, including delusional Democrats.

Adam Curry (30:42)

And the Democrats are fighting it only because they want to fight. They have Trump derangement syndrome. You know, if it was somebody else, they wouldn't fight. If you had a normal person, if you had some stiff sitting behind you, they'd be fine. But they have Trump derangement syndrome. Senator Schumer has become a Palestinian. He's welcome. I don't know when they're going to give him the ceremony, whatever the ceremony may be, but it's terrible what's happened to the Democrats.

John C. Dvorak (31:08)

Yeah, so he got that extra. I thought France 24 did a great job because they pulled in some of his classic quotes while he was on the road.

Adam Curry (31:17)

Touchdown of Air Force One in Doha for the second leg of Donald Trump's Middle east tour. And the red carpet is rolled out, greeted on the tarmac by Qatar Zamir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani. The US President was treated to a traditional saw dance and a procession of camels.

John C. Dvorak (31:36)

Camels.

Adam Curry (31:37)

Formal welcome at Qatar's Royal Court, where Trump got down to business, signing an array of deals between Washington and Doha, including a record order of Boeing Planes by Qatar Airways from Boeing. That's the largest order of jets in the history of Boeing. That's pretty Good. It's over $200 billion.

John C. Dvorak (31:55)

Didn't hear anyone on ABC, NBC or.

Adam Curry (31:57)

CBS talk about that, but 160 in terms of the jets, that's fantastic. A joint statement on defense cooperation and a drone deal were also signed. The lavish welcome also saw a sit down in the luxurious Al Emiri palace where the US President was full of praise. Look at this. It's so beautiful. As a construction person, I'm seeing perfect marble. This is what they call perfecto. What a beautiful place. And we appreciate those camels. I haven't seen camels like that in a long time.

John C. Dvorak (32:29)

Best camels ever. I love your camels. You got beautiful camels.

Adam Curry (32:33)

Trump also expressed his admiration for the Qatari Emir and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, who he met in Riyadh on Tuesday. You two guys get along so well and like each other. You sort of remind me a little bit of each other, if you want to know the truth. They're both tall, handsome guys that happen to be very smart. A charm offensive in Qatar as Trump comes under fire for saying he wanted to accept a luxury jet worth $400 million from the oil rich Gulf country, arguing that he would be stupid to turn down a free gift.

John C. Dvorak (33:05)

So, as I said, the BBC, they actually were reporting on stuff about this major trade deal. It's, you know, it's reported between 600 billion and $1.2 trillion. I don't know exactly where it comes from, but it's impressive numbers and at least they had some, some journalistic reporting.

Adam Curry (33:24)

President Trump is continuing his tour of the Middle East. On Wednesday, he was in Qatar where he signed a series of deals including a huge order for Boeing planes. It's the largest order of jets in the history of Boeing. That's pretty good. It's over $200 billion, but 160 in terms of the jets, that's fantastic. So that's a record. And congratulations. What, what was that error message in the middle of that clip? Was that from your clip?

John C. Dvorak (33:55)

He said 160.

Adam Curry (33:57)

No, no, I'm talking about the window sound.

John C. Dvorak (34:00)

No, I didn't hear a window sound. That's on your end.

Adam Curry (34:03)

Mr. Boeing, get those planes out there. Our North America editor, Sarah Smith is traveling with Mr. Trump. So what sort of welcome.

John C. Dvorak (34:12)

What was Jonathan KARL Traveling with Mr. Trump? I doubt it.

Adam Curry (34:16)

Has he had on his tour since then? It's been very lavish. These Arab states that he's visiting seem to be competing with each other to show who can put on the more sumptuous welcome for Donald Trump. So as he came in from the airport this afternoon, he was met by a caravan of camels and camels, dancing men with swords a lot length of the highway. And now he's turning up for a state dinner at the Royal Palace. And yet again, there is all kinds of ceremony to greet him there. And he loves it. I mean, you can see how much he is enjoying this tour of the Middle east, least where he's being feted by royalty and, you know, as he visits some of the wealthiest countries in the world. And he's able to seal some very lucrative deals as he goes around clearly enjoying himself.

John C. Dvorak (35:05)

Not just lucrative deals, but of course, there's this huge arms deal with Saudi Arabia, which is a clear signal to the Iranians, like, hey, we're not going to do anything, but these guys will. They don't like you. So all I have to do is snap my fingers and you guys are in trouble. So let's make a deal.

Adam Curry (35:24)

We begin in Saudi Arabia. President Trump has made a raft of significant announcements in the Gulf state on the first day of his tour of the Middle East. Speaking after a lavish lunch hosted by the kingdom's Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, he said the two had signed commercial agreements worth More than $600 billion. The White House said these included the largest defense sales deal in history.

John C. Dvorak (35:51)

That was a minor detail Jonathan Carl didn't bring up.

Adam Curry (35:55)

Mr. Trump spoke at an investment forum in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, heaping praise on his hosts. I want to thank His Royal Highness, the Crown Prince, for that incredible introduction. He's an incredible man. Known him a long time now. There's nobody like him. I've never forgotten the exceptional hospitality showed to us by King Salman, who's just. We talk about a great man that is a great man. That is a great man, a great family. President Trump said Iran was the most destructive force in the Middle east and contrasted its actions with what he deemed as positive developments on the Arabian Peninsula. In his speech, Mr. Trump urged Tehran to make what he called a deal with Washington or face devastating consequences. I'm here today not merely to condemn the past chaos of Iran's leaders, but to offer them a new path toward a far better and more hopeful future. I want to make a deal with Iran. If I can make a deal with Iran, I'll be very happy if we're going to make your region and the world a safer place. But if Iran's leadership rejects this olive branch and continues to attack their neighbors, then we will have no choice but to inflict massive maximum pressure pressure drive Iranian oil exports to zero and take all action required to stop the regime from ever having a nuclear weapon. Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.

John C. Dvorak (37:30)

This is so good. He goes, he's in Saudi Arabia and says, I'm here to make a deal with Iran. But this called the $600 billion deal of devastation we will unleash on you if you don't do a deal. It's baffling that no news media puts these two little bits together.

Adam Curry (37:49)

Well, NTD did.

John C. Dvorak (37:51)

Wow. The ntd. Ntd.

Adam Curry (37:54)

I mean, fox did not.

John C. Dvorak (37:57)

Where's your clip?

Adam Curry (38:00)

Well, I don't have to play those clips, but the point is, is that it has. It was discussed. But you're right. What you're saying is that the. The big three.

John C. Dvorak (38:08)

Yes.

Adam Curry (38:09)

Said nothing because they're in the bag for the Democrat party and Chuck Schumer. Yes, I agree.

John C. Dvorak (38:17)

And then this was underplayed, I felt, in the United States. But the meeting with the new guy in Syria, who's not a new guy. We've known about this guy, but it's okay. This is a guy. And Trump will go meet him.

Adam Curry (38:31)

It wasn't expected to be a long meeting. Donald Trump had merely said he would say hello to the Syrian president.

John C. Dvorak (38:37)

Hello, Shah.

Adam Curry (38:39)

Hello.

John C. Dvorak (38:40)

I'll just say hello.

Adam Curry (38:41)

Visit to Saudi Arabia.

John C. Dvorak (38:43)

But this was the first time in.

Adam Curry (38:45)

A quarter of a century that an.

John C. Dvorak (38:47)

American leader met their Syrian counterpart.

Adam Curry (38:50)

And More than that, Mr. Al Shara leads a group still listed as a terrorist organization by many countries, an offshoot of Al Qaeda. But speaking afterwards, President Trump made clear.

John C. Dvorak (39:01)

That brief hello is intended to be.

Adam Curry (39:04)

Just the start of a new diplomatic era between the two countries.

John C. Dvorak (39:07)

Brief hello.

Adam Curry (39:08)

We are currently exploring normal, stabilizing relations with Syria's new government. As you know, beginning with my meeting with president Ahmed al Shara and secretary Rubio's meeting with the Syrian foreign minister in Turkey, I am also ordering the cessation of sanctions against Syria to give them a fresh start.

John C. Dvorak (39:30)

Fresh start. And that, of course, represents a major concrete development in the new U. S. Syria diplomacy. A concrete step which is not merely of interest to business people and economists. Just listen to these ordinary Syrians welcoming the news on the streets of the capital, Damascus. The feeling is indescribable. Unbelievable happiness.

Adam Curry (39:53)

Hopefully God helps this country and it will be better for everyone.

John C. Dvorak (39:58)

Congratulations to everyone.

Adam Curry (40:03)

There is incredible happiness for all Syrians. It will be great for our country. Concern destruction will return the Refugees will return, everyone will return. The prices will drop. There is good to come, God willing. It just needs a bit of patience.

John C. Dvorak (40:16)

But good things are coming our way. So you and I would just be okay. Well, that's interesting. A guy used to be a terrorist, and now we're going to wipe the slate clean. It's probably a little, A little jab towards Israel at the same time. But see, this is where we're doing things wrong. We need to be like Scott Horton. We need to go on Judge Knapp's show and talk about what a horrible dictator. And this is no good. And Trump is.

Adam Curry (40:42)

No. Before you go on to that clip, since you're going and going, I don't want you to get too far off the track, but I know what you're headed. Just as a subtext, I want to mention the fact that this show has determined early on during the ISIS era that ISIS was created by us. And the one thing that was very noticeable about ISIS is they never attacked Israel. They never had anything negative to do with Israel.

John C. Dvorak (41:11)

No, Israel is their handlers. I think that's pretty well established now.

Adam Curry (41:15)

So when Trump meets with his ex.

John C. Dvorak (41:18)

ISIS guy, he's an employee. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you see, that's not the way to go. That's not what gets people to listen to our show. I'm just, I'm, I'm doing media deconstruction.

Adam Curry (41:33)

This can be the theme for the show. It is, it is. Don't worry. I've got to. I got tick tock clips.

John C. Dvorak (41:37)

I know, I know. You're gonna save the day with tick tock clops. I can't say it. Tick tock, tick tock clock clip clops. So, yeah, so of course, Scott Horton, who wrote the book, he wrote the book on everything. He went on Judge Knapp to set the record straight. According to Max Blumenthal, they are slaughtering.

Adam Curry (41:54)

Alawites and crime Christians in Syria. This is the guy that Trump embraced. This is the guy that Trump praised. And this is the guy, the head of the government, theoretically, from which Trump removed sanctions.

John C. Dvorak (42:10)

This is a guy who, until a.

Adam Curry (42:12)

Month ago, Trump's own State Department had.

John C. Dvorak (42:14)

A $10 million bounty on his head. Yep.

Adam Curry (42:17)

And look, the thing is, I wrote. My book is called Enough already. Time to end the war on terrorism. And I don't argue in there that there's no enemies out there. There are bin La out there. And I would never recommend in a million years that Trump lead another war against this new bin Ladenite state in Syria. Somebody else is Going to have to work that out. But for God's sake, we shouldn't be backing them. So lift the sanctions. Yes. But officially normalize relationship relations with them. I don't know why, why can't we lean on the Turks to put somebody who's not a former, supposedly sworn blood oath member of Al Qaeda in charge of Damascus? It's crazy. And clearly it's up to the Turks to decide. You know, they have a times, a hundred thousand times the state power that this new Syrian regime has. They can go in there and change things. Why does this have to be the status quo?

John C. Dvorak (43:08)

See, this is what we're doing wrong. You need to go on Judge Knapp show and you really need to get out there, John, and just say, listen, I wrote the book on vinegar and this is, I know that this is not the way to go with Syria. We can't, we can't do this. This is a murdering butcher. We can't have any of this happening. And Trump is corrupt.

Adam Curry (43:26)

With respect to Muhammad bin Salman, Trump.

John C. Dvorak (43:30)

Has to cozy up to him.

Adam Curry (43:32)

Trump's boys are building highrises in Saudi Arabia. What you got to do.

John C. Dvorak (43:38)

Yeah, Trump's boys.

Adam Curry (43:40)

I'm not going to talk to you because you butchered. I forgot the fella's name. The reporter from the Washington Post. I can't remember his name.

John C. Dvorak (43:49)

Khashogi's name.

Adam Curry (43:51)

Yeah, Khashoggi. Crown Prince Bone Saw, we used to.

John C. Dvorak (43:56)

Call him there now the embassy. NBC called him that. There's. There's still no actual evidence that took place. But it's okay. Scott Horton wrote the book.

Adam Curry (44:03)

I think I might have got Kennedy in trouble on Fox Business Channel for calling him that. But the, yeah, he is a murderer and he's a, of course, a butcher of the Yemenis from 2015 through 22 as well. Muhammad bin Salman is a terrible guy. And I don't know the intricacies of Trump's son's business relations over there, they ought to be able to keep that separate. Even if they are doing that, they should not be doing that while he is in power. But even if they are, they ought to be able to keep that separate. And he ought to be able to say, just like Joe Biden ought to be able to say, well, I'm sorry, your business interests don't mean anything compare to the foreign policy interests of the United States of America. And if we have to play hardball with these countries, we're going to. But, yeah, clearly it's a major disincentive for doing that.

John C. Dvorak (44:47)

Yeah, See, this is our problem. We're too. We're too glib. We're too cavalier. We're laughing. We're laughing about everything. To make people happy and to make them not so somber about the news. We have to be like, well, this is serious businessman, and they can't accept a jet.

Adam Curry (45:00)

What is your opinion of this $400 million plane as a gift that the Qataris want to give to the Defense Department and then to Trump's library? I mean, do the Qataris give these things? Not expecting a quid pro quo. I can't imagine. And, you know, it's really a shame. I mean, the whole idea is just crazy. Trump ought to obviously just turn them down and say, thank you, but no thank you. It's a massive conflict of interest. Just that they're any foreign state. If it was the English or the French or anybody else, the Statue of.

John C. Dvorak (45:37)

Liberty, anybody, Germans, we shouldn't be doing.

Adam Curry (45:40)

This kind of deal with any foreign country. And, and clearly, when it's a monarchy, a royal monarchy in the Middle east, it's crazy.

John C. Dvorak (45:49)

They were camel drivers, man. Not in a monarchy. They just made them. Made up some titles for themselves that.

Adam Curry (45:55)

We would have that kind of relationship with their. And then, yes, of course, just like with every foreign expenditure in this country, there's a massive conflict of interest, you.

John C. Dvorak (46:06)

Know, with all of this. Yeah, exactly.

Adam Curry (46:07)

And it's. You got to take responsibility.

John C. Dvorak (46:09)

Don't worry, I'll. I'll spare the rest. But it gets down to Israel eventually. I believe me, we should not be paying for Israel to slaughter innocent people. That's what it always comes down to with these guys.

Adam Curry (46:20)

Well, there's also. There's another thing going on, and I have a clip that kind of backs up that clip again on Judge Knapp.

John C. Dvorak (46:27)

Hey, you're fishing in my. In my pond.

Adam Curry (46:32)

Well, this clip has been floating around, and this is Scott Ritter.

John C. Dvorak (46:38)

Another fine. Another fine.

Adam Curry (46:40)

Another fine example. And I'll say this, this, this started once Trump. The backstory was written up in the newsletter about how it's possible that Hecseth was set up.

John C. Dvorak (46:56)

Yes, they wanted him out.

Adam Curry (46:58)

They wanted him out because they want. Because Mike Waltz and all the. There's still neocons around, and people don't like using the term anymore because it's. I don't know why, but Mark Levin is part of this. And he went after Tucker Carlson on his radio show and calling him Oswald the 30, mocking him for being kind of a pretty boy. And I went back and listened to the Dave Smith thing where Tucker brought up Mark Levin and Dave Smith. The Dave Smith clip, which is the one I have, it's got nothing to do with this particular topic. Topic. But Tucker was very mild about complaining about Mark Levin. He said that Mark Levin wants war with Iran and he does. If you listen to Mark Levin's radio show.

John C. Dvorak (47:48)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (47:49)

Or his TV stuff. He wants war with Iran. He wants Iran to be bombed to oblivion and, you know, Israel's the greatest place in the world and bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb. He's the bomb.

John C. Dvorak (47:59)

Bomb, bomb. Yes.

Adam Curry (48:01)

McCain.

John C. Dvorak (48:01)

McCain.

Adam Curry (48:02)

John McCain.

John C. Dvorak (48:03)

Yes.

Adam Curry (48:04)

And Mike Waltz apparently was doing a thing with Netanyahu and the whole setup to get hex ups was actually a setup. It was kind of double crossed. And the idea was to get rid of Mike Waltz because he has been doing back deals with Netanyahu to bomb Iran.

John C. Dvorak (48:27)

Yes.

Adam Curry (48:27)

And Trump is totally against it. And that's one of the reasons he went to the Middle east to tell everybody there that, look, we'll do it, but we don't want to.

John C. Dvorak (48:36)

No, we'll have the Saudis do it. We don't want to. But if we have.

Adam Curry (48:39)

We don't want anybody to. We just don't. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to do anything like that. No.

John C. Dvorak (48:45)

He's more anti war than Dave Smith and Scott Horton combined.

Adam Curry (48:49)

So you got these guys coming out of the woodwork and he would include Douglas Murray in that, as I discussed in that article in the newsletter that people should be subscribed to. But here is Scott Ritter all of a sudden turning into a neocon and turning on the whole administration, Trump and everybody in between in a way that is just like, what is wrong with this guy?

John C. Dvorak (49:17)

Marco Rubio is a bigger traitor to Donald Trump and Donald Trump's policies than Mike Pompeo was. It is Marco Rubio that has sunk the Russia policy and he's sinking the Iran policy. He's preventing Trump from achieving the policies.

Adam Curry (49:32)

When I say prevent Trump, it's because.

John C. Dvorak (49:34)

Trump is ultimately, at the end of the day, a very weak and insecure man who doesn't have what it takes to stand up, look people in the eye and say, you're fired. And that's what he needs to do to Marco Rubio right now. Fire him. Terminate his existence. But he took $100 million from Edelman's widow and, you know, gosh, he surrounded himself with the wrong people. But Donald Trump, this is why he's.

Adam Curry (49:56)

Failing right now, now because of Marco Rubio.

John C. Dvorak (49:59)

And Marco Rubio is behind Mike Waltz being kicked Out. Does Donald Trump understand what's at stake.

Adam Curry (50:06)

In the special military operation in Ukraine?

John C. Dvorak (50:09)

No, I don't think Donald Trump. I don't think Donald Trump can spell Russia, let alone understand the complexities of Russia.

Adam Curry (50:15)

He certainly doesn't understand Ukraine because he is all.

John C. Dvorak (50:19)

He's a schizophrenic when it comes to Zelensky. One minute he rightly calls him out.

Adam Curry (50:23)

As this irresponsible dictator.

John C. Dvorak (50:24)

The next minute he speaks about him as if he's the legitimate leader of a viable narrative state. He doesn't know how to deal with NATO or Europe. He's all over the place.

Adam Curry (50:34)

And one of the reasons, because of.

John C. Dvorak (50:35)

The conflicting guidance he's getting from his national security team led by Marco Rubio.

Adam Curry (50:40)

Who is, you know, continues to sell, you know, Europe is a viable ally.

John C. Dvorak (50:45)

Europe is not our ally. This is a very enlightening clip for me. The Fred Freakout crew has been talking this way about Rubio for a couple of weeks, which means it's in the transom. It's being transmitted, and we know exactly where that comes from. Defense, former defense intelligence people. And so Rubio, not to be trusted. Be careful. And our problem here, John, is that we are swimming against the tide. And the tide is you've got to be against our tax dollars paying for Israel to kill people. People. Forget our tax dollars anywhere else. Killing people in much larger numbers. But that is exactly what we are up against. And that's why people like. And I hope you go to the Tucker clip next because I listened to the Dave Smith Ball Spike show with Tucker, and I think it was a complete mistake the way they analyzed that conversation. And I'll just reiterate it very shortly. Douglas Murray went there and he can't, because Tucker's correct. Douglas Murray's like a boarding school kid. And he debates in a certain way and he says things in a certain way. He's great in that regard. But what he was saying was we on the right. And speaking for him, not for me, we on the right have to be careful what we're saying because the kind of stuff that we're talking about with Israel leads to Jew hate. That's what he was trying to say. And he just couldn't say it that way because he knew that Dave, Susan said, I'm Jewish, everyone. Scott Horton, I'm Jewish. That's not the point. The point is that's what's going on. That is the narrative, regardless of what our tax dollars are doing in every other nook and cranny of the world killing many more people. That's the narrative which is based on the whole Whitney Webb conspiracy bullcrap that Israel has the goods on everybody and that this is why we don't have the Epstein papers, because we'll find out that the entire Congress and Senate and everybody's being blackmailed for Kitty fiddling. You know, is there some of that? No doubt. But is that rampant? No, it's the other way around. We control Israel, as is witnessed by President Trump doing a deal with the Houthis, hey, stop bombing our ships, do whatever you want to Israel. It's the other way around. And people are just, they can't stand us for it, John. That's the problem. That is it. That's only saying, what else am I going to do? What else am I going to do?

Adam Curry (53:36)

So, no, I'm not going to play the Dave, because the Dave Smith clips are not about what you just said. I think you summarized it beautifully. Okay, I do have some Trump in the Middle east analysis clips that bring in all kinds of interesting information that nobody discussed. And I think it's all good stuff.

John C. Dvorak (53:55)

This is ntd, I'm presuming.

Adam Curry (53:58)

Yes, because I have to say this. Ntd, they bring in these experts and they'll go back and forth with Tiffany and they really bring out a lot of stuff that other analysts on other shows and Fox and all the rest of them. Fox is really shallow, which is what the Dave Smith clip's about, by the way.

John C. Dvorak (54:17)

I have to interject one more thing and then I'll be quiet about it because.

Adam Curry (54:20)

No, you're on a roll on this topic, so keep talking.

John C. Dvorak (54:24)

Okay, so again, I can see in the troll room, okay, so we control Israel by having an Israeli handler for every one of our congressmen. It's aipac, man. Okay, I'll say it to you one more time. Follow the money. AIPAC gets its money from the American Israeli Education Foundation. Yeah, there's some rich Jews in American Jews who donate to that. But the bulk of the money that goes to AIPAC is all from military contractors. It's Raytheon, it's Boeing. AIPAC is a military industrial complex system. That's where the money's coming from. Not from Israel. It's coming from our own companies who want to are our congressmen and senators controlled by the military. Military industrial complex. Hello, Eisenhower. Yes, of course they are. And the few that go against it. I see you guy from Missouri whose wife died all of a sudden after he told everybody exactly how it worked. It is not Israel. That's controlling our Congress. It is the contractors. The big military industrial complex. Where does the term come from? From the warning President Eisenhower gave to us.

Adam Curry (55:43)

Us.

John C. Dvorak (55:44)

That's the warning. He didn't say, watch out for Israel. They're going to get us. They're going to control us. No, you're being fooled by AIPAC nonsense. All right, I'm done. I gotta say it. I just got to reiterate.

Adam Curry (55:58)

People are wrong before. We've said it before and we say it again, and it is massive. From Kentucky.

John C. Dvorak (56:05)

Massey. From Kentucky. I'm sorry.

Adam Curry (56:07)

Yeah, Massey. Poor Massey. And he just keeps. He's oblivious. He's a good guy.

John C. Dvorak (56:13)

And he's. He went on Tucker and he said, exactly how it works. And everyone took that to be. Israel's got the goods. No, they will primary you. How do they primary you? With lots of money. Where does the money come from? The money? American Israeli Education foundation. Look at the 10 at the form 990s. Look at the money. It's Boeing, it's Raytheon. It's the huge military contractors. That's the problem.

Adam Curry (56:40)

Okay, yes.

John C. Dvorak (56:43)

Let's do some analysis.

Adam Curry (56:45)

Let's go to the analysis from NTD report on President Trump's first trip to the Middle East. Like much of his presidency, it involves a lot of deals and surprises, one of which was his meeting today with Syria's leader, a former member of Al Qaeda, urging him to normalize relations with Israel. That happened after Trump announced he would lift sanctions on Syria. His actions are even drawing some support from congressional Democrats. Joining me now to discuss all of this is David Wormser, Middle East Affairs Analyst at the center for Security Policy and Foreign Policy Specialist.

John C. Dvorak (57:18)

Oh, sounds like a spook. What kind of guy is this? How come we don't have one of these operations? The center for Security Policy. Yeah.

Adam Curry (57:27)

Okay, David, thank you so much for joining us. Now, a slew of developments coming out of Trump's Middle east trip. As mentioned above, Trump's lifting sanctions on Syria and met with the current leader who calls himself a reformed terrorist. How big of a change in diplomacy is this on Trump's part? What are his goals here?

John C. Dvorak (57:44)

Well, I think he did it somewhat.

Adam Curry (57:45)

As a favor to the Saudis.

John C. Dvorak (57:48)

The Saudis really were pushing for this.

Adam Curry (57:50)

And there wasn't an overarching reason that.

John C. Dvorak (57:53)

He sought to completely stiff the Saudis on it. So while there's grave reservations and.

Adam Curry (58:00)

And those are, first of all, his terrorist past, Shara, the leader of Syria's.

John C. Dvorak (58:05)

Terrorist past, number one. And number two, the fact that Syria.

Adam Curry (58:08)

Is a divided country.

John C. Dvorak (58:09)

It's not unified.

Adam Curry (58:11)

So when Trump met Shara, he essentially.

John C. Dvorak (58:14)

Said, listen, I'm willing to work with you. He said it in very diplomatic ways and it was very kind, but he.

Adam Curry (58:20)

Said, listen, I'll work with you, but you got to put your country together.

John C. Dvorak (58:22)

And you're on probation.

Adam Curry (58:24)

So he, he did lift the sanctions.

John C. Dvorak (58:27)

But they can be reimposed if necessary. So I think this was more what he was giving the Saudis. And he walked into something he may have realized, he may not have realized.

Adam Curry (58:37)

I'm not sure, but it was really.

John C. Dvorak (58:39)

A very aggressive power play by the.

Adam Curry (58:42)

Saudis against the Qataris who are at strategic odds with each other. This was really in the backdrop to this. The backstop story to this is, it's the Saudis were trying to out dance the Qataris.

John C. Dvorak (58:56)

Wow. That's. Yes. Well, President Trump is genius. Hey, I'm gonna go get money from all these guys.

Adam Curry (59:03)

Oh, no. This is what you, this is sales. Yeah, it's, they used the PC magazine sales guys I used to work with. I mean, I never got, did deals or anything, but I used to always take sales training and try to see what they were up to because it was interesting. And one of them, one of the publishers. Oh, yeah, here's what I like to do. Do you go, you got these two computer companies and you, and you say, you go into one of them and you say, look how much your competition's going to spend on advertising this next quarter.

John C. Dvorak (59:29)

That's what you do. Yes.

Adam Curry (59:31)

You're not going to let them out spend you, are you?

John C. Dvorak (59:34)

I forgot to look. Was President Trump wearing his brown shoes?

Adam Curry (59:39)

I don't know, but he wore the purple tie, which is very rare. This is Saudi Arabia.

John C. Dvorak (59:44)

This is interesting.

Adam Curry (59:45)

It's a Saudi Arabia thing. And then he goes to, when he goes to cut. Gutter, gutter, he, he goes and he compliments the two guys and he keeps bringing in Ben Solomon's name. And the thing isn't, anyone who know follows this closely. They hate each other.

John C. Dvorak (59:58)

Hate each other. Yeah, of course.

Adam Curry (60:01)

And so, so Trump is playing it, you know, and he's just having, having. He must be amusing the hell out of himself. But I like this guy's analysis that it was Ben Solomon that got Trump to, hey, I want you to meet this, meet the guy from Syria. Maybe you can fix, you know, fix that problem.

John C. Dvorak (60:16)

Yeah, patch that up.

Adam Curry (60:18)

And that's what he did.

John C. Dvorak (60:19)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (60:20)

Ben Solomon's a more powerful guy than in this whole picture. And he didn't drop his body you mean Prince Bonesaw? Bonesaw. Bonesaw is pretty, pretty talented.

John C. Dvorak (60:31)

I love how they think that that guy like Ben Salman himself saw Saad Khashoggi in little bits. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure of it. That, that you're following the mainstream narrative.

Adam Curry (60:42)

People. People.

John C. Dvorak (60:46)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (60:46)

Yes, go on. I have five of these.

John C. Dvorak (60:49)

Yeah. Okay, we'll move on.

Adam Curry (60:50)

I want to get to that. But first, how likely are we to see Syria sign on to the Abraham Accords?

John C. Dvorak (60:55)

I don't think it's going to be very time soon. Very, very soon. First of all, Syria, the government only controls 40% of the country. Number one, number two, number one, number two, number one.

Adam Curry (61:07)

Number two.

John C. Dvorak (61:07)

The minorities are gravitating to.

Adam Curry (61:10)

Stop the clip.

John C. Dvorak (61:10)

I'm stop.

Adam Curry (61:11)

I am sick and tired. This started with Biden. I'm sick and tired and you start to hear it all the time.

John C. Dvorak (61:17)

Number one, number two. Yes.

Adam Curry (61:18)

I'm hearing it on Fox. I'm hearing it from, from, from Emily Campagno. I'm hearing it from Gutfeld. Everybody. Number one, Number two. Number one, number two, number one, number two. I'm sick of it.

John C. Dvorak (61:34)

I'm with you.

Adam Curry (61:35)

Why don't you say first or. Well, first, blah, blah, blah. Well, you can say other number two.

John C. Dvorak (61:42)

Well, it's because these people all got a briefing, a memo and it had little numbers next to it. One say this, two say that. Okay.

Adam Curry (61:49)

There's always that number one.

John C. Dvorak (61:50)

And what was number two? Oh, yeah, I got number two. Number two was this. That's what's happening there. Number one, number two, number one, number two, number one,. The minorities are gravitating toward Israel. So there's some tension between Syria and Israel over the minorities the Israelis are.

Adam Curry (62:06)

Protecting now, the Christians to some extent.

John C. Dvorak (62:09)

Certainly the Druze and some of the others. So I think it's a long time coming before Syria is put together and Syria is in a comfortable state to deal with Israel. Then you have the strategic overlay where.

Adam Curry (62:23)

Syria is part of a larger strategic battle. And that may be more the key.

John C. Dvorak (62:27)

To what drives the Abraham Accords in the long run. But for the moment, Syria is way.

Adam Curry (62:32)

Too, too much of a political football to initiate and join, join those accords.

John C. Dvorak (62:37)

Where is someone talking about the son in law, Jared? Hasn't anyone brought up Jared yet?

Adam Curry (62:46)

Jared's been completely out of this.

John C. Dvorak (62:48)

Jared has what? Jared's taken a billion dollars from the Saudis. Jared, Jared, Jared, Jared. Another Jew. Jared the Jew.

Adam Curry (62:58)

Somebody should ask the question, where's Jared? Okay, hereby asks, but nobody does, of course. Now, with Trump's Middle east trip, how do you see this fitting in with his strategy for dealing with Iran? Because, for instance, we heard in Trump's speech with the Saudis that he doesn't believe in permanent enemies, signaling a softening on Tehran, but reiterating that the US Will not allow it to have a nuclear weapon. How are you reading that?

John C. Dvorak (63:22)

Yeah, it's a great question. I think what happened here is that there's a number of reasons why he.

Adam Curry (63:27)

Went to Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

John C. Dvorak (63:29)

UAE is kind of with some Saudi Arabia. So by bringing Qatar and Saudi Arabia into this happy family, and again, I.

Adam Curry (63:36)

Think in the long run, it's not such a happy family. I think Qatar and Saudi Arabia have.

John C. Dvorak (63:41)

Two very different agendas and are not.

Adam Curry (63:43)

Not very friendly to each other.

John C. Dvorak (63:45)

But nevertheless, the strategy here, I think, was if you get Qatar and Saudi Arabia, you pull them out of the Chinese orbit, which is protecting Iran. You pull them away, away from Iran.

Adam Curry (63:57)

And you essentially isolate Iran in the region.

John C. Dvorak (64:01)

And when you isolate Iran in the.

Adam Curry (64:03)

Region and then if you impose sanctions.

John C. Dvorak (64:05)

Iran really starts facing binary choices.

Adam Curry (64:08)

You're alone, you're sanctioned, you're blockaded, the Chinese can't help you, the rest of the region's abandoned you, and the Israelis.

John C. Dvorak (64:16)

Are about to come after you.

Adam Curry (64:17)

So you have a choice. Give up your nuclear program and join.

John C. Dvorak (64:20)

This happy state family or give it.

Adam Curry (64:23)

Or, or, or pursue that. But then you're going to face the consequences.

John C. Dvorak (64:27)

So I think that's really the Iran strategy behind some of this. Yes. Yeah, of course. Give it up, Iran. And it's not the Iranian people. You know, this is another thing I'm so tired, you know.

Adam Curry (64:43)

I'm tired of now.

John C. Dvorak (64:45)

I was talking to some Fred freak out people and all like, you know, Trump's abandoned.

Adam Curry (64:50)

I like the Fred freak out. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (64:52)

Trump's abandoning Israel. What do you mean? Well, he's no longer talking to Netanyahu. Netanyahu is not Israel. It's Netanyahu now. Iran is not all the Iranian people. Iran is actually pretty cool looking these days. It's modern. People aren't wearing the hijabs anymore. Women are walking around in skirts, showing their ankles. You know, Russia, Russia is not. It's Putin. You have a problem with Putin? This is all dumb. It's completely dumb. And the people just sit around, go.

Adam Curry (65:27)

What are they feeding me? Let me eat it all up. The Jews, I got it.

John C. Dvorak (65:33)

They're running the world, man. Yeah. This all started when we got rid of no agenda social. This is when it all started.

Adam Curry (65:43)

Started.

John C. Dvorak (65:44)

This is when we would start on the downhill slope because we did get rid of them.

Adam Curry (65:49)

You mean when we, when it formed?

John C. Dvorak (65:51)

No, no, no. When, when they pulled the plug. That's, that's. I call that getting rid of them. When they pulled the plug. I didn't pull any plug. When they pulled the plug, that's when people know. Those guys, they're all in on Israel. They're getting checks. They know where their bread is buttered. We are going against everything we've always gone against and we've been right every single time.

Adam Curry (66:10)

Oh, no, we're always right.

John C. Dvorak (66:11)

Right, Covid. Ukraine, everything. When Ukraine started, we're like, no, people like, you're horrible. Look at my Ukraine flag.

Adam Curry (66:20)

We lost a lot of audience because of Ukraine. Yeah, yeah, they're all in on this.

John C. Dvorak (66:24)

But you know what? We're not. We don't have that quirky face like Whitney Webb little face. We don't live in Chile and we can't talk about, you know, how it's the Jews and it goes back to, you know, all the rich stop then. And the, and then Palantir. Palantir and Elon Musk. They're all going to control us.

Adam Curry (66:45)

Okay, you're on it. You do what you need. You did get your gigawatt coffee.

John C. Dvorak (66:51)

I did, Yes, I did get the gigawatt coffee and we also got some decaf for Tina, which I did not drink. That's obvious. But okay, this is important stuff because you and I have other things to do if people are not going to listen to it us, I don't know what. But we'll find something. But we'll find something to do.

Adam Curry (67:12)

I would normally try to stop you from this never ending lament.

John C. Dvorak (67:16)

Yeah, but you're not. But you're not.

Adam Curry (67:18)

Well, no, it's because I'm reminded of another great event. I don't call him an evangelist TV guy. TV religious guy. Gene Scott. Scott used to come on and complain and complain about not getting a enough donations.

John C. Dvorak (67:40)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (67:41)

He would stop the show.

John C. Dvorak (67:42)

Yeah, I'm stopping this. I'm walking away.

Adam Curry (67:45)

He stopped.

John C. Dvorak (67:46)

I'm pulling the plug.

Adam Curry (67:47)

And he, he lowers glasses. Sometimes you wear two or three pairs of glasses on, on top of each other. Just these glasses. Yeah, I'm wearing them now.

John C. Dvorak (67:55)

I'm wearing them now.

Adam Curry (67:56)

Look, I'm lifting up his glasses over his nose and he looked down over his, over the glasses and he said, are you, you. Is this okay, this. Is this important to you? Does this matter? You're listening. You don't Care and he go on the whole show would be that. I don't want the whole show to be that because they got more clips. Let's go to clip four. And I want to dig into some of those deals with the happy family you just mentioned because Trump did strike, strike a deal with the Saudis that's about $600 billion and a $244 billion one with Qatar you just mentioned. They're very different. But how significant are these two deals and how do you, how do you see that changing the dynamic in that region? Maybe pulling away from China, for instance? Oh, they're very big.

John C. Dvorak (68:35)

I mean, they really make America the.

Adam Curry (68:38)

Economic focal point of these massive economic.

John C. Dvorak (68:41)

Powers, these oil powers we haven't even.

Adam Curry (68:44)

Seen yet what's going to be unveiled in the UAE in the next two days. But that will probably add a considerable.

John C. Dvorak (68:50)

Amount to this total of purchases, consumption and investment in the west and specifically.

Adam Curry (68:59)

In the United States.

John C. Dvorak (69:00)

America first by these countries. I think if you add it all up, at the end of the day, we're talking close to $2 trillion worth of deals in investments and arms sales that will come out of this trip. That's an awful lot of money to.

Adam Curry (69:15)

Infuse in the American economy. And it really helps the president with his America first agenda, especially to get.

John C. Dvorak (69:22)

Through the immediate period of offsetting the damage done by tariffs until the longer.

Adam Curry (69:27)

Term gains of the tariffs would kick.

John C. Dvorak (69:30)

In according to what he believes. Oh, we move quickly to tariffs. That's interesting.

Adam Curry (69:36)

Now. It's interesting to remember and something that we, because of Biden, for four years, as we did this show, we forgot about the. Because before Biden, we had other presidents that this show's been on forever and we've noticed that one of the things all the presidents do is that they're ultimately salesmen for the military industrial complex and they go overseas, if you remember. Yes, all of them would go overseas and do deals, by the way.

John C. Dvorak (70:05)

That's all just to remind everybody. That's all we really make. Have you seen an American car recently? What does it look like? They're all militaristic looking. That's all. We know how to make war stuff. We make war stuff. Stuff that is.

Adam Curry (70:17)

It's high. It's high margin.

John C. Dvorak (70:20)

Yeah. Oh, war stuff is super high margin.

Adam Curry (70:23)

Yeah. So you could, you know, it's a winner.

John C. Dvorak (70:25)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (70:26)

Our presidents would always go over and do these deals. Biden never did because he couldn't sell anything. This guy was lost.

John C. Dvorak (70:33)

He couldn't sell his way out of a paper bag.

Adam Curry (70:38)

So we go on and so, but Trump's just. Yeah, I mean, Trump, as old as he is, he's, he's still a killer salesman. And that's what we have to remember. And this is that benefits the country. It benefits the country beyond belief. So let's go on to. No matter how much they hate him. Zooming out of TikTok clips. By the way, the TikTok clips coming up will prove that. So let's go final clip, zooming out a bit here. During Trump's speech in Saudi Arabia, he criticized those he called neocons and interventionists, saying they messed up, messed up Middle east policy. What are your thoughts on all of that?

John C. Dvorak (71:11)

Yeah, he's really reacting to the Iraq war and especially not just knocking Saddam.

Adam Curry (71:16)

Out, which had its own strategic issues, but there were ways to do it.

John C. Dvorak (71:19)

What he's really reacting to is that.

Adam Curry (71:21)

We sat there after the war, occupied.

John C. Dvorak (71:24)

Iraq and had sort of a, we had a nation building presence trying to rebuild Iraq, which became kind of an.

Adam Curry (71:32)

Endless bogged down situation. The Iranians and Syrians were taking potshots.

John C. Dvorak (71:38)

At us there and we lost four.

Adam Curry (71:40)

Or five thousand soldiers doing this, which.

John C. Dvorak (71:43)

Is a, which is a horrific price. And I think that's what he's really reacting to. Even if you have to do something, do it.

Adam Curry (71:50)

Like what you did just now in Yemen.

John C. Dvorak (71:53)

You go in, you sh, you send a signal, you destroy the enemy or you make it clear to him there's.

Adam Curry (71:58)

A huge price to pay being in.

John C. Dvorak (72:00)

Conflict with the United States. But don't go in, take over the.

Adam Curry (72:03)

Country, have a semi colonial presence to.

John C. Dvorak (72:06)

Rebuild it and take responsibility for the country. It's much more important to let them do that.

Adam Curry (72:12)

Let the Iranians do it, let the Iraqis do it, let the Yemenis do it.

John C. Dvorak (72:15)

It's just something America can't do in that region.

Adam Curry (72:18)

We're not Middle Eastern and we don't.

John C. Dvorak (72:19)

Play that game well. And we stop playing that game because we can't motivate a single smart, young American person. Person to go over there and die for this nonsense anymore. We're not going to do it. This is why we have Israel. Let them do it. This is why we have Saudi Arabia. Let them do it. And let them pay to do it by buying our stuff. They have ideological problems. That is the region that they live in. That's the world they live in.

Adam Curry (72:50)

Trump's long winded speech in Saudi Arabia.

John C. Dvorak (72:54)

Was kind of interesting.

Adam Curry (72:55)

It was very good speech. He got no coverage by the mainstream media, but it was quite good. It Was well written. He was. It was too long, as usual, because just the way it is, you put up with it. By the way, I'm reminded of. I was thinking about this because the speech was on forever.

John C. Dvorak (73:11)

It was a long one.

Adam Curry (73:12)

And I remember when he, when he.

John C. Dvorak (73:15)

Puts his arm down, he's leaning on his elbow, reading the teleprompter, you know, like, oh, we're in for a long one. This is going to be a long speech, isn't it?

Adam Curry (73:21)

And so I'm reminded, the first time I went to church, China, we went to the mainland. And I mean, I've been to Taiwan and I've been to Hong Kong, but I never was in China itself. And first time I went there, the government came out and gave us. We were a bunch of touring journalists and the OR managers. We couldn't put the word journalist on the passport because they didn't like that. So if you go to China, always, you're always a manager. So you. We. There's these guys that would come out and start lecturing us. And it was like a Chinese harangue. It was going on forever. I mean, it was like you wanted to shoot yourself this yak, yak, yak, yak, yak. And that's what. And for some reason, this is Trump style.

John C. Dvorak (74:08)

Oh, interesting.

Adam Curry (74:09)

You can't take it.

John C. Dvorak (74:10)

After a while, it's like, just end it, man. But I'm with you. Where do I sign? Let me buy the.

Adam Curry (74:17)

Pardon me?

John C. Dvorak (74:18)

Where do I sign? You've worn me down, salesman man. You've worn me down. Well, actually, interestingly enough, if, if we can move away from the Middle east for a second, the sales continue in, in the EU and our boy Mark. Rutte. Mark is paid off. Germany has now come out and said, yep, we're going to push, we're going to push it to 5% for NATO defense spend. That was the ask continuously. 5%. And Germany just said, when does this come out? This announcement came out.

Adam Curry (75:00)

I'm crediting Ruta.

John C. Dvorak (75:02)

Well, of course Ruta did it here. German Foreign Minister Johann Varspur said the country was backing US President Donald Trump's call to increase the defense spending target of NATO members to 5%. And so before Trump, before Trump in.

Adam Curry (75:18)

2016, they weren't even putting up the 2%.

John C. Dvorak (75:21)

Yep. Well, now they got the go ahead from Queen Ursula that they can borrow the money. So, like, okay, we can borrow the money. We're good to go. Let's do it. And just to give him the props, here is the obligatory marketer to clip I really want to welcome you to Antalya for this important four ministers meeting. And I want to thank our colleague from Turkey. Turkey?

Adam Curry (75:44)

Really?

John C. Dvorak (75:46)

He can't say so in Dutch. It's Turkey, but he can't say Turkey for some reason. So he says Turkey. Our colleague from Turkey. Really, Hakan, thank you so much for making this possible. In the hospitality. It is really amazing. Oh, it's amazing hospitality. It was just great. I had cookies in my room. We will have a very important meeting today in the run up. Up to the summit in the Hague. Oh, the Hague. You know what's happening in the Hague? The Hague is my home country. This is where we're going to have our big, big meeting. And you know what it's going to be. We need to discuss how to make sure that NATO will be stronger. That means more defense spending, that means more defense industrial production. But also how to make sure that NATO is fair, that we equally distribute the burden amongst allies. And that is only fair. But also a NATO which is more lethal by becoming offensive. We need to be killing machines, but by being so strong that nobody will ever attack us. No. Because they know if they would, this defensive alliance, if we will be attacked, our reaction will be devastating. That's going to. So it's going to cost a lot of money.

Adam Curry (76:59)

That's what we will discuss today.

John C. Dvorak (77:01)

How to make sure that you make a success out of the D. Hague summit.

Adam Curry (77:04)

It will be a splash.

John C. Dvorak (77:07)

It's a splash of a NATO which is standing there at the world stage, stronger than ever. So, again, thank you for being here. And now it is my honor. This is the best. This guy is the most effeminate, weak, girly man ever. And he's just walking around like a peacock, like we're. We're the rulers of the world. NATO will have all. We're going to make a splash on you. Will splash you here, here. We'll splash you there. Yeah. Don't mess with us. Just make sure you pay for it. It's amazing. It's amazing that this guy can actually. That he succeeded. He got Germany to the 5%. And once Germany goes, how can France stay behind?

Adam Curry (77:50)

No, no. Everybody has to go.

John C. Dvorak (77:51)

Everybody's got to go. And he's fantastic. It's great. You know, Ruta was there. I mean, Ruth Rubio was there. Rubio was with Martin, Mark, hanging out together, because they're all in Istanbul and you want to.

Adam Curry (78:09)

That's right. Yes. For the.

John C. Dvorak (78:10)

Yeah. And so I have a little bit of Marco, who, by the way, is not to Be trusted. He's a snake. There's no good. Careful with this guy. Thank you. And I think today's meeting sets up what I hope will be, I believe will be a very successful leaders level.

Adam Curry (78:22)

Meeting coming up very shortly.

John C. Dvorak (78:25)

NATO has the opportunity to grow even stronger, stronger in the alliance. You know, the alliance is only as.

Adam Curry (78:30)

Strong as its weakest link. And we, we intend and endeavor to.

John C. Dvorak (78:32)

Have no weak links in this alliance. That's interesting. The alliance is only as strong as its weakest link. So if someone doesn't pay up, the 5% were weak for some reason. This is an interesting analogy.

Adam Curry (78:43)

So it's setting up nicely and it's good to see, you know, the President.

John C. Dvorak (78:46)

Has just submitted a budget for a trillion dollars of defense spending, which is unheard of, it's unparalleled. And it's not just spending money. It's spending money on the capabilities that are needed for the threats of the 21st century. It's not just spending money, it's spending money for important things. We need the golden dome, all kinds of different threats that look different from the threats in the past. And so I think today sets up that leaders meeting which will be very productive. I also think obviously that the big issue on everyone's mind is what's happening with Russia and Ukraine. The President of the United States is been abundantly clear. He wants the war to end. He's open to virtually any mechanism that gets us to a just enduring and lasting peace. And that's what he wants to see. He wants to see an end of wars. He wants to keep wars from happening.

Adam Curry (79:31)

The purpose of NATO is to prevent wars through its strength.

John C. Dvorak (79:35)

And that's why, you know, we want to see it grow stronger. The purpose. Let me just hear that again. I just want. That should be on his tombstone. The purpose of NATO is to stop wars. And that's what he wants to see. He wants to see an end of war wars. He wants to keep wars from happening. The purpose of NATO is to prevent wars. Okay, okay, can we just write that down? The purpose of NATO is to prevent wars in places like, I don't know, Ukraine, all the, all the states that we expanded eastward, Libya, Libya. Prevent wars, prevent destruction, prevent it to its strength. And that's why, you know, we want to see it grow stronger spending levels among all partners that allow everyone to be stronger and makes the alliance stronger. And also he wants to end wars. And that's the hope with Russia and Ukraine. We'll see what happens over the next couple of days in that regard. But we want to see progress made in that regard and whatever mechanism is outlined, whatever the process is that needs to happen, I mean, we are open to being constructive and helpful in any way we can to end a conflict. Oh, and end the conflicts by spending more money on our stuff. It's genius. It's just genius. There will be wars and rumors of wars. That all has to happen. It's. It's never going to stop. That is just the world the way it is. There is something much more important playing out this Saturday. Saturday is a big day when it comes to competing countries. Are you aware of this?

Adam Curry (80:59)

This Saturday?

John C. Dvorak (81:00)

This Saturday? This Saturday. Saturday.

Adam Curry (81:01)

Saturday.

John C. Dvorak (81:02)

Saturday is a big thing taking place in Switzerland of all places. This is a big meeting of the, of the, of the creative mind. It's that time of year again.

Adam Curry (81:15)

World Economic Forum close to Switzerland, where the first of two Eurovision Song contests take place in the city of Basel. Fifteen countries performed on Tuesday night, including Sweden. Just took place a couple months ago.

John C. Dvorak (81:31)

No, it's once a year. That's how fast the time is going. And for you it's even worse. See, I thought it was like maybe half year ago. You're like, this was last week. That's what happens when you get older. Time is exciting. Accelerating.

Adam Curry (81:43)

Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Norway and Croatia. Among the favorites was Sweden with a catchy tribute to sauna culture.

John C. Dvorak (81:52)

Sweden with a catchy tribute to sauna culture.

Adam Curry (81:55)

And singer Claude with his emotional ballad C' est la Vie.

John C. Dvorak (82:00)

Ah, the Dutch are in the running.

Adam Curry (82:02)

In total, 37 countries will compete for a place in Saturday's Grand Final. I heard more about the first semi final from our correspondent Charlotte Gap Talagher who's in Basel. She began by telling us how the Swedish band got on. Well, they did really well. They are a huge favorite here in Basel. They're also currently the bookies favorite as well, which is no surprise really because if there's one thing that Sweden does really well, it's writing a Eurovision banger. They have won it.

John C. Dvorak (82:34)

A Eurovision banger. A Eurovision banger. John, have you got new Eurovision Even news? It's light heartedness because they of course will make it political.

Adam Curry (82:44)

Really well, it's writing a Eurovision banger. They have won it so many times. We were in Malmo last year because they won it the year before. Switzerland obviously won it last year, so that's why we're in Basel. But it could well be going back to Sweden next year. It's a hugely popular song. They're sat in a sauna so it really catches the eye it's really funny. I met a lady from Stockholm earlier, Karen. She was really excited and I said, but what will it mean for the song, you know, Eurovision to come to Sweden again? She went, it'll probably mean higher taxes for us, but I'm still excited.

John C. Dvorak (83:18)

This is a big deal. We do have a lot of people listening in Europe and all Europeans, believe me. The streets are quiet on Saturday night. Everybody is checking it out and I need your insight and your expertise as a. A musical. What is the listener Aficionado is what I was going to say.

Adam Curry (83:41)

That's a good word.

John C. Dvorak (83:42)

These are the top three contenders. I have about 30 seconds of each and I would like to get your opinion as we start off with. Well, so I have three entrance. Ukraine, of course, we still need to have the political angle. Ukraine could pull in the. In the. The top prize because. Hey, Ukraine, right? We have Sweden because they are clearly the favorites with their sauna culture. And we have the Netherlands with Claude. So I give you Zyphar Blot, Bird of Prey from Ukraine. This person. I don't know if it's a dude. I don't know if it's a woman. The person looks just like Zelensky. What do you think?

Adam Curry (84:38)

Journey from the seventies.

John C. Dvorak (84:39)

Yes. Journey. Yes. Nailed it. All right, so you say that's a journey from the 70s. Not bad. I think the Netherlands has an interesting entry. Entrant Claude with Celavi. The song is apparently in French, spoken so often in the Netherlands and. But Celavi is a. Is a good title because everyone knows the term. And you complain about our end of show mixers.

Adam Curry (85:33)

Wow. All right, so that's on that one. What a dog.

John C. Dvorak (85:37)

But I think. I think Sweden will win because they have. It's a banger. It's a banger. It is. Believe me. Europe, particularly the Germanic side and the. And the Viking side, they still want drinking songs. Songs. They still want to go. That's what they want. And I think.

Adam Curry (85:58)

Yeah. So they can hold the beer stein up.

John C. Dvorak (85:59)

Yes. And I think Sweden has it locked up. Here comes. See, that's the hook.

Adam Curry (86:30)

This is an anthem style.

John C. Dvorak (86:31)

Yes, exactly.

Adam Curry (86:33)

Which should catch. Could win the award. You might be right. It goes, but it still sucks. It's bad. It's mediocre. Who let the dogs out? Why don't you just do that?

John C. Dvorak (86:43)

But here's the hook. It's like holy, holy sauna, sauna. See, the whole world will be singing this song. Yes. Yes. They win. Okay, just to wrap this up, which.

Adam Curry (87:03)

Is code for get naked.

John C. Dvorak (87:04)

Yeah. Here's and yes. And here is the political angle.

Adam Curry (87:07)

And what's the atmosphere been like there in Basel?

John C. Dvorak (87:10)

Well, no one likes the Jews.

Adam Curry (87:11)

It's very different, I'd say, from Malmo last year. It does seem a bit more relaxed. Malmo was quite tense at times because of the conflict in Gaza and Israel and you felt that as soon as you got into the city. We haven't seen that yet in Basel. There is a protest though tomorrow against Israel's inclusion in Eurovision. And also when Israel perform in the second semi final on Thursday, the contestant says she expects to be booed, essentially, and people will be allowed to bring Palestinian flags into the arena. They weren't necessarily allowed to do that.

John C. Dvorak (87:44)

In Sweden last year people had those.

Adam Curry (87:45)

Flags taken off them. This year they will be allowed to bring them in. So I think we'll probably see the mood towards Israel and the Israeli contestant here in Eurovision on Thursday. But at the moment in town, in the city center, people seem pretty happy that Eurovisions here. There's lots of turquoise flags.

John C. Dvorak (88:02)

Yeah, blah, blah, blah. The only reason they should be against Israel is because they're not. Why are they part of Eurovision? There's nowhere near Euro. This is the problem I've had.

Adam Curry (88:14)

Won't they have a Nigerian candidate?

John C. Dvorak (88:17)

They could if you're a member of Eurovision. That's the only reason to pro. But, oh, no. Oh, I've got to protest. Oh, well, Israel can't sing songs. It's a problem. It's rampant.

Adam Curry (88:33)

And we are next. What?

John C. Dvorak (88:34)

Fighting next. We're fighting upstream, John. We're upstream. All right, time to get real. Hey, young people, we're hip. We're with the in crowd. We can do tick tock, tick tock clops.

Adam Curry (88:53)

I got a bunch of them. I got actually five tick tock clips that are all various. They're various styles. I started this one. Here's a black woman complaining or not complaining. She's trying to educate us about gingers.

John C. Dvorak (89:07)

Gingers are no good. They have no soul.

Adam Curry (89:09)

I just need to remind y' all again, everyone who is ginger, who has red hair, those are black people. All gingers are black people. If they have red hair, they are black. You see a white man with red hair, that's a black man. You see a white woman with red hair, that's a black woman. Gingers are black. All gingers.

John C. Dvorak (89:31)

Wow. Wow. Okay, well, that's. I can write that one down. That's a T shirt, by the way. Gingers are black.

Adam Curry (89:39)

Black.

John C. Dvorak (89:40)

All right. I'm. I'm loving this insight from TikTok.

Adam Curry (89:46)

Well, this is a different. But that was a different woman. The one that keeps going on about how all white people are cannibals. Remember that one?

John C. Dvorak (89:54)

It's true. It's true. It's true. Everyone knows it. It's on Tick Tock.

Adam Curry (89:58)

Now. We have, of course we have the wimpy guy, like just really a wimpy guy threatening everybody because. Because you're making MAGA.

John C. Dvorak (90:06)

MAGA Peter Thiel Trump, J.D. vance, Elon Musk. Fear us. We are the masses. You are the 1%. We are the 99%.

Adam Curry (90:20)

Think about it.

John C. Dvorak (90:22)

Think about a keyboard warrior.

Adam Curry (90:25)

You know, think about it.

John C. Dvorak (90:26)

It's sad because this, he's clearly angry. You know, this is the. He has no other means to show his anger other than speaking into the deep void on Tick Tock to people like you. So it's. I feel for these people. I feel bad for this guy.

Adam Curry (90:43)

I'm in the minority. I'm inside the majority. You're in the minority on this.

John C. Dvorak (90:47)

What do you mean? Oh, no, I feel bad for all these people. I hope all these people, you know, that they calm down and they. Eventually it will one day it will.

Adam Curry (91:00)

So let's go to the Department of Education. Nut. Good morning. It's Monday. I have a question for those that have voted for this administration. Did you vote for the department Education be taken out?

John C. Dvorak (91:14)

Yeah, let me check.

Adam Curry (91:15)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (91:15)

Yeah, I did. Yes.

Adam Curry (91:17)

Dismantle. Did you vote for that?

John C. Dvorak (91:19)

Yep.

Adam Curry (91:19)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (91:19)

I'm just curious.

Adam Curry (91:21)

I'm sure you wanted them to change things, but dismantling a department that helps your children?

John C. Dvorak (91:27)

You mean the department that puts those books into my children's schools? No, I'm pretty sure that I voted.

Adam Curry (91:32)

Against that and helps a lot of people. Putting it with the states does not is not the answer. Especially if the states don't have income taxes and if they're going to start taking those away too.

John C. Dvorak (91:42)

Like, hold on a second. We have a state that doesn't have income taxes. We have some of the most beautiful roads, some of the best infrastructure. It they get. We get taxed in other ways for sure. But I think you're. You're wrong on this TikTok Gal.

Adam Curry (92:00)

Our children will hurt for this. They want to take away abortion. Abortion.

John C. Dvorak (92:05)

They, they wanted. This is a, this is a great, a great phrase. They want to take away abortion. Take it away.

Adam Curry (92:13)

Our children will hurt for this. They want to take away abortion.

John C. Dvorak (92:17)

Well, if you don't take away abortion, that's when the children will really hurt for this. You know, they get aborted they, if.

Adam Curry (92:23)

You have a baby you got to take care of, they don't help you there. Then you take away education support. I just, I'm curious, what's your mastermind thought plan? And I wonder, I'm. If it's good as his, then, you know, whatever. Have a great day.

John C. Dvorak (92:38)

But this is just people who are grossly misinformed, that's all. She doesn't even understand how, how a taxless income taxless state like Texas works or Nevada or others just doesn't seem to understand it. And she, I don't know if she has children. If she had children.

Adam Curry (92:57)

What do you think?

John C. Dvorak (92:58)

Probably not. Probably not. So she's just under informed and a little over socialized.

Adam Curry (93:04)

She, you know, again, make excuses all you want for these people.

John C. Dvorak (93:07)

I'm not making excuses. I have compassion for them because I feel. I know you don't. Well, it's okay. You don't need to shut me down just because I have compassion for you.

Adam Curry (93:16)

No, this is the toxic empathy is what you have.

John C. Dvorak (93:20)

Oh, no. Oh, no, there's no empathy. Empathy is something completely different. There's no empathy here. No, sir. It is compassion, not empathy.

Adam Curry (93:29)

Toxic compassion is what you have.

John C. Dvorak (93:32)

Toxic compassion.

Adam Curry (93:33)

Oh, here we go.

John C. Dvorak (93:34)

The only one who's toxic is you. Which one?

Adam Curry (93:37)

Here we go. Here we go with the, with the idiot leaving the United States.

John C. Dvorak (93:41)

Okay, so since Trump won the election, we're cooked. Yup. I'm going to be leaving the US.

Adam Curry (93:48)

And I'm going to be moving to Hawaii.

John C. Dvorak (93:51)

So. So we'll see how it goes. And I'll update you guys again. Someone who has not been educated and completely over socialized, who does not understand the United States includes Hawaii. That is, that is a, that's a kicker. You should have held that one for last. Unless this is the best of the bunch.

Adam Curry (94:09)

No, they're all good. But this one, this is not. That may have been the best, but we'll try this.

John C. Dvorak (94:15)

Pretty good.

Adam Curry (94:15)

I just saw this video. I mean, I've been seeing a lot of videos.

John C. Dvorak (94:20)

You need to set this up. I don't know what's happening, what's going on with this.

Adam Curry (94:23)

Okay, here's a woman crying and she's letting it be known that this is the way everyone must be feeling because she is, you know, if you're feeling a certain way because of Trump, obviously everybody's feeling that way. And so she's eliciting, kind of like hoping, I guess, but yeah, yeah, yeah, we should overthrow the government. I'm not sure what the goal of.

John C. Dvorak (94:45)

This is overthrow the government. Okay, yeah, I'm all for it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Adam Curry (94:50)

I just saw this video. I mean, I've been seeing a lot of videos. Anyone else having a hard time not just breaking down crying several times a day because you're just watching the horror happen. So many people around you that either have no idea, don't care, or pretending.

John C. Dvorak (95:13)

It'S not and like you're crazy and.

Adam Curry (95:15)

You'Re just a conspiracy theorist and you're just insane and you just are too dramatic and you just need to calm down and you just need to shut the up. But you want to help and there's nothing you can do because you don't have money. You don't have billions of dollars.

John C. Dvorak (95:27)

You don't have.

Adam Curry (95:28)

I don't have any dollars that I can spare, frankly, like truly. But that's the only thing that seems to kind of make a difference. And you can't even do that. You can't even do that. You can only speak and. And now we can't even speak. So watch and cry. It is, I guess, you know, the worse it gets. It's not like the quieter I want to get, it's the angrier I get, the louder I want to be. I've just been screaming for so long that I'm not sure who I'm even talking to anymore. Who's left? It's still. What else do you need to deceased.

John C. Dvorak (96:05)

Oh, no, there's lots of you left. There's. There's a lot. So the thing, the reason I have compassion for these people, we have a family member who does this on TikTok. Exactly this. And it's. It is. I can tell because I know this family member that it is. It's an outlet and the feedback is important. Like, yeah, you're right on. You're spot on. Yes, I'm with you. I am also crying. I'm also worried. I'm also scared. These people are scared because. Because these dark media forces have scared them to no wits end about stuff they can't. She did in. In a minute and 15. She didn't even say what she's scared of is just scared. She's scared of. She's scared scared. So this is just. It's just a. That's real. That's probably the realest clip that you played of the bunch. This really happens. And people. People need this feedback because no one else in their right mind can have a conversation with them, that's for sure. And so the Algos put those People together. And they see more people saying this, and they believe that the whole world is like them. That is the true genius of TikTok is that whatever you're into, you're going to get a lot of it all the time. It's not just going to switch all of a sudden midstream. And so in that regard, she needs to get off the Internet. Internet. She needs to get off her TikTok for sure. None of those kids really had phones, by the way, at the high school. Three. Three had a smartphone.

Adam Curry (97:41)

Well, that was. That's new information that needed to be discussed.

John C. Dvorak (97:45)

Oh, yeah. In fact, the most common phrase heard from their parents. So they have phones. They have like flip phones and other phones, but nothing. Now they have computers at home.

Adam Curry (97:59)

Home.

John C. Dvorak (97:59)

And so they can go on YouTube. Okay. The most common phrase heard is you can have a smartphone as a wedding present. And that's the attitude of the parents here in Fredericksburg, which I think is a good thing. And they all wear uniforms. It was nice.

Adam Curry (98:17)

Oh, you went to a school that where they wear uniforms?

John C. Dvorak (98:19)

Almost all the schools here have uniforms. I think even the public school may have a uniform. I think, think, yeah, I'm for that. I always like that. When we were in England and Corsino went to school, uniform, it takes away a lot of issues. You don't have. The cooler kicks on or whatever. Everyone's got the same duds. I'm for that. You against that? You don't like uniforms at school?

Adam Curry (98:45)

Well, I've never gone to a school that had uniforms at ever. And I don't know anybody who did except you. So I can't say one way or the other. I think that theoretically in some situations it would be a good idea, but then again, it's kind of militaristic.

John C. Dvorak (99:08)

No, it's not militaristic.

Adam Curry (99:09)

Yeah, it's totally militaristic.

John C. Dvorak (99:12)

So no agenda millennial in the troll room says, kids don't have phones, but they have Adam Curry speak. What the f kind of school is that? Okay, this is what's happening, John. We're alienating everybody. Even the no agenda millennials. What?

Adam Curry (99:28)

I don't think we've alienated any no agenda millennials.

John C. Dvorak (99:32)

Well, the no agenda millennial literally just said that.

Adam Curry (99:35)

Yeah, but that's. It still is. Did he quit? I quit. I'm off. I'm gonna quitting the chat room. You never hear from me again.

John C. Dvorak (99:42)

No, it would never do that. That. Because, you know, that's their. That's where they get their feedback. That's they need that. They need the troll room. They need it. It's part of their DNA. So here's a TikTok crowd for the elites different venue to complain about America and Donald Trump. And guess where that is. Con baby. In France, the 78th Cannes Film Festival opened on Tuesday, bringing together the world's most famous cinema personalities to celebrate another year of storytelling. Day one featured a star studded lineup from world renowned filmmaker Quentin Tarantino to supermodel Bella Hadid. American actors Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert de Niro who've worked alongside each other on.

Adam Curry (100:24)

Three occasions, stole the show.

John C. Dvorak (100:25)

On the opening day, DiCaprio who skipped the red carpet, awarded veteran 81 year old De Niro with an honorary pomodor.

Adam Curry (100:34)

But every once in a while, even the most private of giants deserves their moment. A moment to be acknowledged not just for their work, but for the quiet, lasting influence they've had on so many lives.

John C. Dvorak (100:48)

We are so important, everybody. We, we, we are important. We are important to you.

Adam Curry (100:54)

On my life. So without speak, trying to speak for the entire world of cinema here tonight, but probably doing it anyway. There is no one more deserving of this Palme d' or lifetime achievement award.

John C. Dvorak (101:07)

Who is no more deserving for this Palme d' Or Kahn lifetime achievement award. Who is no more deserving?

Adam Curry (101:16)

None of them.

John C. Dvorak (101:17)

Can you give me a name?

Adam Curry (101:19)

Well, De Niro got it, didn't he? Then Mr. Robert De Niro.

John C. Dvorak (101:24)

De Niro, an outspoken critic of Donald Trump, quickly shifted the moment to politics as he slammed the US President for his administration's attacks on arts and culture.

Adam Curry (101:35)

America's philistines president has had himself appointed head of one of our premier cultural institutions. He has cut funding and support to the arts, humanities and education. And now he has announced a hundred percent tariff on films produced outside the U.S. let that sink in. Stop the clip for a second. Couple of things. Philistine.

John C. Dvorak (101:59)

Philistine was funny.

Adam Curry (102:03)

Couple of things to note. Why is the government supporting the arts? The government? You don't want the government involved, it seems to me, because they're going to try to influence one way or the other. So you don't want that.

John C. Dvorak (102:15)

I want to say you are correct.

Adam Curry (102:18)

The second thing is the reason about taxing the foreign films, which was not fully understood by me when I first heard about it, is the keep the business in the United States and help locals make money. Help the people in Los Angeles, the Angelenos and the people in New York. He's got a studio that he built in New York City with his Buddy, they built a giant sound stage. De Niro did. And the idea is to keep the business there and to keep the business in Hollywood. So what's wrong with that, exactly?

John C. Dvorak (102:53)

What's wrong is what's wrong between the ears of Mr. De Niro, who I guess he gets accolades for doing this. He has taken every opportunity at every award show for the past eight years, maybe longer, to do this at award shows. Like I'm gonna show him Hold My Beer.

Adam Curry (103:15)

Well, it does. If you're the award show guys, I'd have to say I'd probably do it. Your awards show guys said, well, you know, our awards aren't getting any attention. What are we gonna do?

John C. Dvorak (103:27)

No one ever pays attention con Palme d' Or.

Adam Curry (103:31)

Well, no one. It's never been televised, that I know of that. The Palm Door, especially the Lifetime Achievement award, which who knows who got it. You name one person who's gotten it before. I can't think of one.

John C. Dvorak (103:41)

But your, your, your original point is spot on. You don't want, you don't actually want the government involved in the arts for the obvious reasons. But here they are complaining because, said the millionaire De Niro, well, I'm not making enough money now, I guess. What else is he saying? Because he's saying that they're cutting the money off. That's no good. Or is he saying. Because I hear a lot of this too. So here I am, rich, director, producer, movie star. I presume he's rich. I have no idea.

Adam Curry (104:15)

But no, he's got plenty of money.

John C. Dvorak (104:17)

You would think he does. What he's kind of saying is all those little unsuccessful people get no chance like me. That's what I mean. It's very an elitist position to take. It's like, well, all the things that are not sponsored. It's almost like the music business. It's like, ah, the little people, they have no chance. They can't get on the radio, they can't get on Spotify. It's an elitist position. He happens to be a very good actor and I think a decent director. He's produced a lot of things, which means he put his money into it.

Adam Curry (104:51)

I don't know he's directed anything.

John C. Dvorak (104:52)

I think he's directed some, some things. But even that series I watched on, I think Netflix was about him being present was good. And I watched it because I wanted to rid myself of bias. And I'm very able to separate the arts and his art from him, the person. But remember, this is the guy who literally was saying, what Robert Kennedy Jr. Is saying now about the MMR vaccine and has a child with it and all this stuff. It's just dark forces. Hollywood must be controlled by Satan and.

Adam Curry (105:26)

Support to the arts, humanities and education. And now he has announced a hundred percent tariff on films produced outside the U.S. let that sink in for a minute.

John C. Dvorak (105:38)

Okay, I'm letting it sink in because he's outside the U.S. he's trying to curry favor. The term. To coin a term with the foreign audience fully. Well, knowing that if you want to be successful in the film business, you need the American audience.

Adam Curry (105:56)

You can't put a price on creativity, but apparently you can put it.

John C. Dvorak (106:01)

Well, why don't you work for 10 bucks or scale then? It's creativity. You can't put a price on it as long as it's $10 million of film.

Adam Curry (106:08)

You can't put a price on creativity, but apparently you can put a tariff on it. Of course. This is unacceptable. All these attacks are unacceptable.

John C. Dvorak (106:22)

The opening ceremony concludes. Yeah, unacceptable. Poor Robert. He made a. He made a bad deal. Yes. What happened? He made a bad, bad deal and he can't get out of it. He has to stay. Stay stuck in that. So Jake Tapper is out with his book. He's shopping it around. Have you had a chance to read his book?

Adam Curry (106:46)

No, I have not. Have you?

John C. Dvorak (106:48)

Of course not. But it's about. Of course not. They did not send me an advance copy, so how could I read it? They didn't ask me to do a blurb. So what can I say? Otherwise I would have been like best analysis of the Biden presidency ever. So here he is.

Adam Curry (107:06)

Well, I don't have the clips as a good. But I will say this, that Fox in particular are spiking the ball because they were on Divide and being a senile old fart forever. And so they have. So they've found every clip from Tapper's past that they.

John C. Dvorak (107:25)

Can I have that one?

Adam Curry (107:27)

Well, there's the one about with Lara Trump, but there's a ton more.

John C. Dvorak (107:33)

I have a ton more.

Adam Curry (107:34)

Well, let's play him.

John C. Dvorak (107:35)

Well, you want that or you want to hear the. The promotion of the book first?

Adam Curry (107:41)

I want to hear the. Hear the clips first. Then the promotion of the book. How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that? It's very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to. It makes me uncomfortable. You have, you have. No, that's so amazing.

John C. Dvorak (107:58)

It's so amazing to me that try.

Adam Curry (107:59)

And Figure out an answer. Cognitive decline.

John C. Dvorak (108:02)

Biden embraces his stutter, talking about it.

Adam Curry (108:04)

While Trump mocks it, exaggerates it, belittles it. He's sharp physically.

John C. Dvorak (108:08)

I mean, mentally.

Adam Curry (108:10)

Yeah, I think the question is physically.

John C. Dvorak (108:12)

Right, Right. More so. Right.

Adam Curry (108:13)

Right. And the guy who's his chief opponent is only three or four years younger than a man. I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness, ability to lead. Of those supported Biden, you said, quote, shame on all of you, pretending everything is okay. You're leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him at all? I don't doubt that you got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today, and maybe even publicly some of them because they like you personally.

John C. Dvorak (108:37)

But I've heard a lot of really.

Adam Curry (108:40)

Nasty stuff about you from your Democratic colleagues. I mean, just like, what is he thinking? Exercising narcissism. I mean, false claims to the Wall Street Journal about President Biden, Biden's mental fitness and acuity.

John C. Dvorak (108:52)

He's 81 claims.

Adam Curry (108:54)

And his memory, you know, it doesn't seem great. It's not horrible. But I don't understand the outrage. Quote, behind closed doors, Biden's shows signs of slipping, unquote. The Wall Street Journal is owned by News Corps, which is run by the Murdoch.

John C. Dvorak (109:06)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (109:07)

Beyond the headline, there is some critical nuance here. The article is mostly based on observations.

John C. Dvorak (109:11)

Of Republicans, with former Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

Adam Curry (109:14)

The only one going on the record. They do note in the article that most of the criticism comes from Republican Republicans. Have you heard any concerns from anyone who has met with President Biden about him seeming a little slower?

John C. Dvorak (109:27)

No. The Russians are trying to do.

Adam Curry (109:29)

To make us and the public not trust the.

John C. Dvorak (109:32)

Our election.

Adam Curry (109:32)

Integrity. Joe Biden has dementia and all this stuff.

John C. Dvorak (109:35)

It's all crazy. It's all crazy. Jake Tapper on the defense for years.

Adam Curry (109:40)

And now, years and years and years. He did this continually. Laura, Trump is still demanding an apology. He brought it. He's the one who promoted the stuttering idea. And as somebody pointed out, and we've.

John C. Dvorak (109:53)

Noticed this too, he never stuttered before.

Adam Curry (109:55)

He never had a stutter in his. Maybe when he was three, but he never stuttered throughout his career as a senator or even the vice president. Now all of a sudden, he's a stutterer, you know, so Jake Tapper's a big phony.

John C. Dvorak (110:07)

Well, what's amazing is how Jake Tapper can get up in the morning and shave and look at himself and think, yeah, I wrote a good book.

Adam Curry (110:14)

A new book is outlining new claims and about former President Biden's physical and mental health. The book Original Sin claims Biden's health had become so severe that there were internal discussions about putting the president in a wheelchair. After the election, they started putting AIDS around him as he walked to Marine One, the helicopter that was to kind of hide from public view how bad his gait was, how bad his walking was. At a fundraiser last year with actor George Clooney, the authors claim Biden seemed severely driven, diminished, and did not recognize Clooney despite Biden knowing him for decades. According to the book, former President Obama, also at that fundraiser, had difficulty making sense of Biden's behavior and blamed Biden's busy schedule. But the authors say Obama would come to realize that scheduling was not the fundamental problem. A Biden spokesperson refutes the book, saying, we continue to await anything that shows where Joe Biden had to make a presidential decision or where national security was threatened or where he was unable to do his job. In fact, the evidence points to the office opposite. He was a very effective president. Last week, Biden and the former first.

John C. Dvorak (111:17)

Lady pushed back against a slate of.

Adam Curry (111:19)

New books, claiming he was dealing with cognitive decline at the end of his presidency. You're wrong. There's nothing to sustain that. The people who wrote those books were not in the White House with us and they didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day. A Biden spokesperson says the authors did not fact check the book with.

John C. Dvorak (111:41)

Then that's the best part. You didn't fact check it, man. None of it's true. This is. It's just amazing. Did ABC Good Morning America call them out for like, hey, everyone defended this sharp as attack over and over. And now, oh, it's a great. Does ABC own a publishing company like CBS does? Is that possible?

Adam Curry (112:01)

I think they do, but I don't think that's the group that brought the book out. I was. Yeah, well, there's a couple of different things here, but you could continue and I'll bring.

John C. Dvorak (112:11)

All I was going to say was that should stop all of this. It's just elder abuse. The guy's over. He's done. It's like, let him just leave the guy be.

Adam Curry (112:19)

Here's the problem. Here's the problem. I have. The 25th Amendment doesn't work. It doesn't do jack. It's pretty obvious. It wasn't from the last month of this administration. We saw it. When he's wandering around, going into the jungle, he loses his train of thought constantly Losing his train of thought and then screaming dignity and one thing or another and obviously other people were running the White House and there was the auto pen, signing the documents. The 25th Amendment is a fraud. It doesn't work. No, it's never going to get executed. There has to be a coup.

John C. Dvorak (113:03)

What do you recommend?

Adam Curry (113:04)

I don't know. I think it has to go to Congress or somebody or some other form. I mean, the Congress could impeach, but that's no good because it's pretty, almost impossible in this case.

John C. Dvorak (113:15)

We know that doesn't work.

Adam Curry (113:16)

Well, it won't work because you can't get enough people in the Senate because you need like 60 or 70 people to say yes. And that's not going to happen. And I don't know. I have no idea. All I know is that the 25th Amendment's a fraud. It was put in place because of Wilson and this situation would have been the one where it should have been executed, but nobody's going to bring themselves to do it.

John C. Dvorak (113:42)

Well, government is a fraud in that regard.

Adam Curry (113:44)

Them.

John C. Dvorak (113:45)

It's a governmental amendment. You know, the Senate and the Cabinet and they can do this, but they don't because they were. Not forever. No, because they were running the show and they loved it. Anthony Blinken. Where's Anthony, by the way? What's he doing? Does he have his consulting business up and running yet?

Adam Curry (114:04)

Oh, he's probably working for some think tank. He'll be back.

John C. Dvorak (114:08)

So of all the big news that the President had, which is, you know, trillions. Well, no, he had 600 billion doll in deals. Deals everywhere deals. Of course we're going to spend a trillion. We heard on defense, which is a Good hundred to 200 billion more than the last.

Adam Curry (114:27)

The last big completely waste of money for an operation that can't be audited.

John C. Dvorak (114:31)

The last big beautiful bill. But I think the drug price executive order was big news because outside, you know, Congress very hesitant to ever do anything against insurance companies. And of course, the unspoken of middlemen, the pharmacy benefit managers. And President Trump did just a beautiful job of explaining how massive the scam is of the overpayment we make in the United States with the insurance and the drug companies and the pharmacy benefit managers, where your co pay is basically whatever every other country in the world pays for something. But somehow you got screwed.

Adam Curry (115:22)

It's unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (115:22)

And you're still paying premiums for something that does nothing.

Adam Curry (115:25)

Yeah, you have to pay the premiums and you have to pay the drug price, too. The premiums just are going to Somebody's pocket. That's just like stealing.

John C. Dvorak (115:33)

It's completely stealing. Of course, insurance companies really are nothing more or less than banks, and that's why everyone's deathly afraid of them. They don't do anything. But President Trump brought it to the. The people, and he explained very well what was going on. I thought this was probably one of the best things he's ever done when it comes to explaining the problem.

Adam Curry (115:51)

I brought it up with the drug companies represented by somebody who's very, very.

John C. Dvorak (115:54)

I'm sorry, wrong one here.

Adam Curry (115:55)

I mean, I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine who's a businessman, very, very, very top guy. Most of you would have heard of him.

John C. Dvorak (116:03)

Yep.

Adam Curry (116:04)

Highly neurotic. Who.

John C. Dvorak (116:05)

What fat, neurotic guy do we know that's very successful? Who could this.

Adam Curry (116:10)

Plenty of them.

John C. Dvorak (116:10)

Okay.

Adam Curry (116:11)

Brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes the fat. The fat shot.

John C. Dvorak (116:17)

The fat shot. Everybody loved this. The fat. The fat shot. He's taking the fat shot.

Adam Curry (116:26)

And he called me up and he said, president. He calls me. He used to call me Donald, now he calls me president. So that's nice. Respect. But he's a rough guy. Smart guy, rough guy, very successful. I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but. Because he's got comments. President. Could I ask you a question? What? I'm in London and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working.

John C. Dvorak (116:51)

I love that. Trump throws that in. It's not working. Right? Is that the problem is not working? No, man. It's too. I'm a billionaire. It's too expensive. This fat shot.

Adam Curry (116:59)

They said, he said, I just paid $88, and in New York, I pay $1,300. What the hell is going on? He said, So I checked, and it's the same box made in the same plant by the same company. It's the identical pill that I buy in New York.

John C. Dvorak (117:22)

Hey, hold on a second. It was a shot, now it's a pill.

Adam Curry (117:27)

Yeah, there's a bunch of people that jumped on that.

John C. Dvorak (117:29)

That's interesting. Do you think that was just an oversight on his part? He just made a mistake.

Adam Curry (117:34)

Yeah, he's, he's, he's doing winging it. He's doing stick.

John C. Dvorak (117:38)

He's doing stick.

Adam Curry (117:39)

He's doing shtick.

John C. Dvorak (117:40)

He.

Adam Curry (117:41)

This is not rehearsed. Most of his material that's funny is just off the cuff. And he's working it.

John C. Dvorak (117:48)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (117:49)

And it's the same box made in the same place plant by the same company. It's the identical pill that I buy in New York. And here I'm paying $88 in London. In New York, I'm paying $1,300. Now, this is a great businessman, so. But he's not familiar with this crazy situation that we have. But he was stunned, Stunned.

John C. Dvorak (118:13)

He was stunned. And so then what does our president do? He goes and talks to the drug companies. Hey, hey, drug man, the fat shot. Why is it so cheap over there and so expensive over here?

Adam Curry (118:24)

I brought it up with the drug companies, represented by somebody who's very, very smart, good person, too. And we argued about it for about half hour. And then finally he just said. Because they can't justify it. He just said, look, look, you got me.

John C. Dvorak (118:39)

You got me. You got me, Prez, you got me. You got me. It's like a couple of gangsters around on a table. Hey, man, how come that vig is so high? Hey, Mario, you got me.

Adam Curry (118:50)

You got me.

John C. Dvorak (118:50)

You got me.

Adam Curry (118:51)

I can no longer just. They've been justifying this crap for years. They said, oh, it's research and development. I said, well, research and development. Other countries should pay research and development, too. It's for their benefit. It was just one of those things. And the other countries would set a price and they'd meet the price. And they'd say, if you don't meet the. The price, you can't sell it in our country. I said, well, then you walk away and you know, they'll call you back and they'll sell it in the country. But now they'll have to do that. So for the first time in many years, we'll slash the cost of prescription drugs. And we will bring fairness to America. Drug prices will come down by much more. Really. If you think 59. If you. If you think of a drug that is sometimes 10 times more expensive, it's much more than the 59%. You know, it depends on the way you want to analyze it, but in one way. You could analyze it that way, but between 59 and 80 and I guess even 90%. So when I worked so hard in the first term, and if I got prices down, remember, I was the only one to ever get prices down for a full year, But I'd get them down like 2%. And I thought it was like a big deal. Well, we're getting them down 60, 70, 80, 90%.

John C. Dvorak (120:05)

So. Have you read the executive order about this?

Adam Curry (120:10)

No. You have it right there, though.

John C. Dvorak (120:12)

Of course I do. There's a couple of things that are of note. And this Kind of flows into another freakout. Not here in Fred, of course, another freakout is about Medicare that, you know, the big beautiful bill. Because they never really explained the, this part. The big beautiful bill will have, we'll have, you know, Medicare steep, steep cuts here. Actually, I'll play this.

Adam Curry (120:35)

House Speaker Mike Johnson today working to solve Republican in party fighting. I think we'll get everybody.

John C. Dvorak (120:40)

Yes.

Adam Curry (120:40)

As their proposed cuts to Medicaid divide the party. Late Sunday, Johnson unveiling their plan to cut hundreds of billions of dollars to Medicaid, fueling concerns it would leave millions of low income and disabled Americans without care.

John C. Dvorak (120:53)

You're going to die. I continue to maintain my position.

Adam Curry (120:56)

We should not be cutting Medicaid benefits. Republican Senator Josh Hawley yesterday with an op ed in the New York Times writing if Congress cuts funding for Medicaid benefits, Missouri workers and their children will.

John C. Dvorak (121:06)

Lose their health care and hospitals will close. It's that simple.

Adam Curry (121:10)

And that pattern will replicate in states across the country.

John C. Dvorak (121:13)

I love how hospitals will close. Has nothing to do with hospitals. But Holly is jumping on the band and he's wrong in this case because the numbers add up. If you look at what's happening here, we are struggling with rural health care coverage and you know Republicans, we need.

Adam Curry (121:28)

To be making that better, not worse. Protesters today blocking the doors to one of the hearings on Capitol Hill where.

John C. Dvorak (121:36)

Members of Congress dissect the proposed cuts.

Adam Curry (121:38)

A critical piece of the big beautiful bill President Trump has been asking for to fund his agenda. With the one big beautiful bill, we can ignite the second Trump economic boom and improve the lives of millions of our neighbors back home. If the cuts are approved, it would go against what Trump said back in February. Can you guarantee that Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security will not be touched? Yeah, I mean, I have said it so many times. You shouldn't be asking me that question. Okay. This will not be read my lips. It won't be read my lips anymore. Not going to touch it. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says the cuts would slash Medicaid more than ever before. It's cruel, it's heartbreaking.

John C. Dvorak (122:20)

Senate Democrats will continue to expose this devastating plan and fight for American families, blah, blah, blah. So the whole point of the executive order, which of course it's an executive order, so if it doesn't turn into legislation at some point, it goes away. But the whole point is you can slash money from the Medicaid budget because Medicaid is overpaying for all of these drugs because of course Medicaid pays pretty much Full price. What the insurance companies have, you know, and the pharmacy benefit managers have jacked this all up to. But President Trump's executive order is to make it a most favored nation pricing. And there's a whole bunch of existing laws on the books like the Sherman act and all kinds of stuff where this can be done so that Medicaid will have to pay a lot less. No one will actually lose any. Anything. That's the theory, at least. No one will lose any medicines. They will just be cheaper to the United States government and the United States people. But the real, the real gotcha in here is section four, enabling direct to consumer sales to American patients at the most favored nation price to the extent consistent with the law. The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Bobby be up. Shall facilitate direct to consumer purchasing prices, programs for pharmaceutical manufacturers that sell their products to American patients at the most favored nation price. So you will finally be able to buy your medication at a normal price, which most of you are already doing from India, from any other place. That's the big gotcha here. You know, if you, if you look for Ivermectin, you can get 2000 ivermectin pills for like 50 bucks from India. If you can buy it in America, it's going to be hundreds of dollars. So he's really put in a bypass here. That also goes for hospitals and pharmacies, etcetera, where you can get your stuff at most favored nation pricing and go around the system. I think it's long overdue. And everything else is just boom, crap.

Adam Curry (124:36)

Okay, I don't have anything to add to that.

John C. Dvorak (124:39)

No, there's nothing to add. Just staying with Pharma for one minute. I told you it was coming. That the Deutsche lady, she had her commission, the, the Pfizer Commission, they, they investigated what happened with Pfizer and Ursula and the text messages. And they've. They figured it all. It all out and nothing will happen.

Adam Curry (125:01)

This is a legal and political thunderclap. The General Court of the European Union has condemned the European Commission's lack of.

John C. Dvorak (125:08)

Transparency in the negotiations on vaccines during.

Adam Curry (125:11)

The COVID 19 pandemic. The judges annulled the Commission's refusal to disclose the text messages exchanged between its president and the head of Pfizer. These text messages between Ursula von der Leyen and the pharmaceutical giant took place during negotiations. Negotiations on the purchase of almost 2 billion doses. The Commission maintains that it does not hold these text messages and that their content was insubstantial. Another convincing line of defense.

John C. Dvorak (125:35)

For the moment, it's still unclear why.

Adam Curry (125:37)

They thought that this message did not include important information.

John C. Dvorak (125:42)

So this needs to be clarified. And also, in a way we can.

Adam Curry (125:46)

See that in general, there is still.

John C. Dvorak (125:48)

A lot of secrecy around this.

Adam Curry (125:50)

We still don't know. It's still unclear if this message were deleted. If, as the court say, were deleted on purpose automatically, what happened there.

John C. Dvorak (125:58)

So in our opinion, since the beginning.

Adam Curry (126:00)

Text message should be included. The court criticized the commission for failing to provide credible evidence to explain why it was unable to provide these text messages at the request of a journalist from the New York Times. In addition, the judges considered that the institution was unable to clearly specify whether.

John C. Dvorak (126:18)

Or not these text messages had been deleted.

Adam Curry (126:20)

The commission remains unclear on this issue. I didn't say that any messages. What were deleted. What I did say were that as in any access to documents request, what we first do is to check are there any registered documents that fall within.

John C. Dvorak (126:35)

The scope of the request.

Adam Curry (126:36)

We did that didn't find any. The commission considers that the judgment does not call into question the procedures for registering documents, but rather a lack of explanation.

John C. Dvorak (126:45)

It interprets the court decision as an.

Adam Curry (126:47)

Indication that it will have to justify itself better in the future.

John C. Dvorak (126:51)

Oh, you know, they deleted themselves. It's, you know, it's just what happens this and, and Ursula just wafts away no problem.

Adam Curry (127:05)

She's going to walk away with no problem anyway.

John C. Dvorak (127:07)

Yeah, there is, of course, somewhere there's a record of these text messages, messages. Yeah, the NSA has it.

Adam Curry (127:16)

I'm sure the NSA does have it.

John C. Dvorak (127:18)

I'm sure somebody has it. So I'm glad the German lady did all that work for nothing. Nothing, nothing. Nothing comes out of these things. It corrupt. Corrupt.

Adam Curry (127:31)

RFK Jr yeah, I got the. I guess I got one clip from the hearing. They were grilling him left and right. Right. RFK Junior's in front of Congress in front of first. He's in front of Congress and he was in front of the Senate.

John C. Dvorak (127:44)

What was it. What was it all about?

Adam Curry (127:46)

Was it just because he's a bad guy and he's. They're trying to get rid of him and so they, they're trying to embarrass him. They can't do it. They trying to contradict him. Did that clip that was. What was it we talked about a couple shows ago of the guy who had a. One of the committees is supposed to be running Kennedy?

John C. Dvorak (128:08)

Yeah, I'm in charge of him. I own him. He has to talk to me every month. That guy.

Adam Curry (128:14)

Yeah, that guy. So he's got a couple of Compatriots, they're all Democrats. These Democrats, they loved Kennedy until he became a Republican. This is really simple. But let's listen to him going. It's went on with all of them, but especially the Democrats. The Republicans, fine. But the Democrats kept trying to, you know, they're pushing vaccines. Oh, the measles thing. Two dead kids, my God. And we had 20 shootings in Oakland. Doesn't matter. But these two dead kids, they're black.

John C. Dvorak (128:45)

It doesn't matter. This doesn't matter.

Adam Curry (128:47)

So, so here's one of the back and forths. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Says that reducing dependency on China for critical medicines is a priority for for him and the Trump administration. NTD correspondent Jason Blair has more from Kennedy's testimony on Capitol Hill.

John C. Dvorak (129:03)

They're directly and narrowly focused on creating dominance across the globe.

Adam Curry (129:08)

During a house committee meeting, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Agreed when asked if over relying on China for critical pharmaceuticals poses a threat.

John C. Dvorak (129:18)

We saw the problem with supply chain controlled by the Chinese during COVID and this is a priority for me and for this administration.

Adam Curry (129:26)

RFK Jr says that they've been working hard to bring more medicine production into the US and that he's been meeting with pharmaceutical CEOs.

John C. Dvorak (129:35)

I've met repeatedly with Eli Lilly which is now building nine facilities, nine factories in this country.

Adam Curry (129:42)

Kennedy says that China also has a program called the Thousand Talents program that is designed to start still US IP.

John C. Dvorak (129:50)

And technology and we have facilitated that at nih I funding Chinese scientists with contracts that don't require them even to report their science back to our country but they give it direct Chinese military scientists on bioweapons research that we gave them the technology for.

Adam Curry (130:09)

After testifying in front of the House Appropriations Committee, Kennedy was a witness in a second hearing hearing in front of the Senate. He was interrupted by protesters during his opening statement. The witness will suspend. The committee will come to order.

John C. Dvorak (130:26)

Tina told me that the, the the guy from Ben and Jerry's was protesting.

Adam Curry (130:31)

I don't get the protest at all.

John C. Dvorak (130:33)

What are they protesting against?

Adam Curry (130:35)

I don't get it. Seems like a plant to me. But then he the best clips are these, which is Chris Murphy comes on and he starts asking Kennedy a bunch of pointed questions. And Chris Murphy is a showboater from Connecticut. He shows up a lot. He's trying to become president. He sucks, he's stupid. And here he goes into it. This is a Chris Murphy series. This is him talking to Kennedy.

John C. Dvorak (130:59)

That is not what happened. You've done the opposite. You canceled $12 billion in grants to the states, including my state, that are used for. To administer and track vaccines. You promised Chairman Cassidy. When did I do that? Madam Chair, would you allow me to finish my question? Keep going with your question. When did I do that? Let me. Let me. Let me finish my question. Just tell me when I did it so I can understand what the question is.

Adam Curry (131:24)

Cancelled.

John C. Dvorak (131:24)

You have canceled $12 billion in public health grants to states. Whether you know this or not, that funding is used by the states in part to be able to administer and dispense information about vaccines. Hmm.

Adam Curry (131:43)

Why does it take $12 billion to administer information about vaccines? Hey, I'll take 1 billion and talk about it.

John C. Dvorak (131:53)

Three hours long, twice a week.

Adam Curry (131:56)

It's unbelievable. That's just scam.

John C. Dvorak (131:58)

One for one state. But could he answer the question about it? Did he even know why it had been. Why it had.

Adam Curry (132:04)

Well, it continues pretty much in order. So Here he comes.

John C. Dvorak (132:09)

Mr. Secretary, let me give you the full panoply of things we said before. The things you said before this committee that didn't turn out to be true. You also promised Chairman Cassidy that the FDA would not change vaccine standards from, quote, historical norms. But what happened? As soon as you were sworn in, you announced new standards for vaccine approvals that you proudly referred to in your own press release as a radical departure from current practice. And experts say that that departure will delay approvals. You also said, specific to the measles vaccine, that you support the measles vaccine, but you have consistently been undermining the measles vaccine. You told the public that the vaccine wanes very quickly. You went on the Dr. Phil show and said that the measles vaccine was never fully tested for safety. You said there's fetal debris in the measles vaccine. And this morning. All true. All true this morning. I'm going to lie to the public. That's not. None of that.

Adam Curry (133:09)

Is none of that. Of course it's true. Of course it's true.

John C. Dvorak (133:12)

Senator, you got your. Senator, do not know what you're talking. Wow. Let's have a little bit of order so that you can get. Madam Chair. I'm speaking. I didn't ask. I didn't ask for a response yet.

Adam Curry (133:25)

I understand.

John C. Dvorak (133:25)

Lay out the predicate my question before I'm interrupted by the witness. He should have respect for this committee. By the way, the Ben and Jerry's guy. Ben. Ben Cohen. He was kicked out of the hearing with Robert Kennedy Jr. For protesting Congress's funding of the Israeli military.

Adam Curry (133:46)

Did he?

John C. Dvorak (133:47)

He went to the wrong Hearing somehow.

Adam Curry (133:49)

Oh, that's funny.

John C. Dvorak (133:51)

It's like.

Adam Curry (133:53)

No, it's like a Woody Allen movie.

John C. Dvorak (133:57)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (133:59)

Yeah. So we wrap it with this one.

John C. Dvorak (134:00)

Just this morning in front of the House of Representatives. You also said that you, in fact, would not recommend that kids get vaccinated for measles. You said you would just lay out the pros and cons. This is the summation of everything that you have said to compromise people. People's faith in the measles vaccine in particular is contrary to what you said before this committee. You said you support the measles vaccine, but then you have laid out a set of facts that are contested. And I will submit information for the record from experts who contest what you've said about the vaccine. And the result is to undermine faith in the vaccine. It's kind of like saying, listen, I think you should swim in that lake, but, you know, the lake is probably toxic and there's probably a time of snakes and alligators in that lake, but I think you should swim in it. Nobody's going to swim in that lake if that's what you say. And so I want you to acknowledge.

Adam Curry (134:51)

That when you say you support the.

John C. Dvorak (134:52)

Measles vaccine and then go out and repeatedly undermine the vaccine with information that is contested by public health experts, that is not supporting the vaccine.

Adam Curry (135:03)

And so I guess I have two.

John C. Dvorak (135:04)

Simple questions for you. One is, can you clarify what you said in the House this morning?

Adam Curry (135:10)

Are you. Are.

John C. Dvorak (135:11)

Are you not recommending that families get their children vaccinated? Or are you just giving people the pros and cons? And do you understand that when you say these things about the measles vaccine, what ends up happening is less people get the vaccine? That may be what you want, but.

Adam Curry (135:28)

Do you understand that the result of.

John C. Dvorak (135:31)

Constantly questioning the efficacy or safety of the vaccine results in less people getting the vaccine? So I. I don't necessarily want to spend the remaining 20 seconds in an argument over the science, but do you at least understand that that's the consequence of what you're saying? And are you actually still recommending people get the vaccine or are you. Not if I advise you to swim in a lake. I knew there to be alligators, and wouldn't you want me to tell you there were alligators in it? So are you recommending. Are you recommending the measles vaccine or not? What I've said and what I said.

Adam Curry (136:02)

In it doesn't sound like you are.

John C. Dvorak (136:03)

If that's. Are you going to let me answer? Are you going to keep it? Are you Are you not? Are you going to let me answer? What I pledge before this committee when I, during my confirmation is that I.

Adam Curry (136:14)

Would tell the truth.

John C. Dvorak (136:14)

That I would have radical transparency. I'm going to tell the truth about everything we know and we don't know about vaccines. Are you recommending the measles vaccine? I am not going to just tell people everything is safe and effective. If I know there's issues. I need to respect people's intelligence. You're answering the question. Wow, I don't think I saw that clip on mainstream news. I wonder why I have a lot of really good clips about big pharma. Because outside of the military industrial complex, which runs a lot, that is probably number two. They certainly run the media. But before we do that, I'd like to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the seas in the caravan of camels. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

Adam Curry (137:05)

Yeah. Well, good morning to you, Mr. Adam K. Marsh. Ski woods and Raffy in the Air Subs Noir Name's nice out there.

John C. Dvorak (137:10)

And in the morning to the Trolls Children room.

Adam Curry (137:12)

Hello there, trolls. How you doing?

John C. Dvorak (137:14)

How you rocking? How you rolling? Hello. Oh, we don't have a peak troll count for some reason. Why is that now something? It's always something. We're. We're around 1500 right now, but usually it's a little high. It's probably around 18, 1900. Huh. Interesting. Didn't show up. Anyway, the trolls are there. The trolls are very cynical. I've noticed. I've been paying attention to them today. They're like, it's all performative. No, they don't care. These people are no good. Nothing's good. We're all gonna die. They have no joy. Where's your joy and chaos? Troll, Trolls. It's all good. It's all good. It really is. Everything's going to be fine. This is a show put on for your benefit. It's just a show, Bobby. The op is right. I'm not going to tell you to swim in the lake if there's alligators in that. I'm not going to do that. No. So the trolls are at. In the troll room. Trollroom.IO if you want to go in there and be beaten around like you're in a bouncy ball filling, you know, there's one of those ball bins with kids, you know, that's a good place to go. And of course you can listen to the live stream or use a Modern podcast app Fountain, by the way, is coming out with a new version where you can boost with dollars right from the app. Did I tell you that already?

Adam Curry (138:33)

Yeah, you did. Last show.

John C. Dvorak (138:34)

Oh, okay. Yeah.

Adam Curry (138:35)

You went on and on about it.

John C. Dvorak (138:36)

Yeah, because that's what I've been ever since Apple made the change where you can have an alternative payment method in your app, because that was the whole thing is you cancel. No, they lost that big epic court case and the judge excoriated them. So they have to. They have to allow buttons and links in apps that do not use the Apple in app payment system, I. E. Apple gets 30% of it. So that's good news. It's good news for freedom, John. For freedom.

Adam Curry (139:06)

Freedom.

John C. Dvorak (139:08)

Freedom, baby.

Adam Curry (139:09)

Screw your freedom.

John C. Dvorak (139:11)

That's right. It's a good day for freedom. And of course, you also with those modern podcast apps@podcast podcast apps.com, you can. You'll get the bat signal when we go live. Many of these shows go live and you'll know it because it's all on no agenda stream. Everything is all there. You get the chapters, you get all kinds of groovy stuff. And of course, when we. When we post the show, within 90 seconds, these modern apps know about it. Don't spend hours of your time wasting around waiting for Apple to update. It's just not worth it. Value for value is how we hope to continue with this podcast, which means if you get anything out of the podcast program and you feel like, you know, I got a good stock tip. I learned something that I can impress my family with. I felt better. I just felt better because I don't feel all spun up about all the nonsense is being thrown at me 247 online and on cable and over the air even. Well, then just send something back to us. Time, talent or treasure. You can do any version of that that you want. We have artists who love sending us their talent and their time by making artwork that we can choose right after the show. They do it live while we're on the air, which is very impressive. They use a variety of tools, and it's clear that the tool of choice, although expertly applied, was artificial intelligence, generative AI. For the episode 1763, which was on Sunday, we titled that AI Factory. We were thinking we were contemplating doing a one factory to stay on online with our fine Secretary of Education, but we decided against that because we thought people would probably look at it and think that we were the dopes and not the secretary.

Adam Curry (140:54)

It's a fine, very fine line.

John C. Dvorak (140:56)

Very fine line. However, Francisco Scaramanga. I mean, we went way off base. We're traditionalists when it comes to holidays and observances for veterans or for Christmas or Easter. And Mother's Day has always been kind of sacred for us. And we. We veered off the path.

Adam Curry (141:20)

No.

John C. Dvorak (141:21)

What do you mean, no?

Adam Curry (141:22)

We went over this and over this and over this, and I came. I.

John C. Dvorak (141:26)

You. You. Yes, you.

Adam Curry (141:28)

I said, I like this piece. And you said it was gruesome, which is. No, no.

John C. Dvorak (141:32)

I said, does it apply as the gr. To the gruesome rule? Can we apply that to this piece of art?

Adam Curry (141:38)

The gruesome rule, I think, was in play. And so I looked at it. I think it's a hilarious piece. It's very funny. It's. By the way, there. I will say this. There is a bunch of these AI Art pieces that come out dingy.

John C. Dvorak (141:51)

Yeah, dingy.

Adam Curry (141:53)

And this has got. Somebody's got to fix this. The art is dingy. We had this. The last couple of pieces came out dingy. In other words, there's no white. The. The dynamic range of the pieces move minimal. So it's muddy looking because it's a.

John C. Dvorak (142:10)

Photocopy of something else.

Adam Curry (142:11)

Well, who knows what it is? Yes, but the piece I really liked was Happy Mother's Day by Darren o' Neill with the. With the flying. Mom, you're not an npc. Yeah, I was pushing that at the end, but then you. Because I had first chosen this, you had said, no, you're gonna eat it, and this is gonna be your fault. And you insisted that we take the. This. This horrible piece by Scare Mom.

John C. Dvorak (142:35)

You are turning his.

Adam Curry (142:37)

I'm telling you the story. The pregnant mom, the kid in a. In a body suit with a package, as you put it, and the. And the poor girl with the eye is. Got poked. I mean, it's. It's just a tremendously gross piece.

John C. Dvorak (142:51)

From now on, I'm taping our conversations about art so I can play back the truth. You, like, you said, I love this piece. This is a great piece. And I said. I said, no, this is horrible. And by the way, the kid has a huge package. This is weird. This is not good.

Adam Curry (143:07)

So what I said, that's what you said.

John C. Dvorak (143:09)

Yeah, but you were pushing for this. You weren't pushing for anything else. She's like, this is the one, man. This is it. This is the one. And you said, francisco Scaramanga is great. I heard you say.

Adam Curry (143:20)

I heard you say he is great. He's great. But so is Darren.

John C. Dvorak (143:24)

Darren is very good, actually. Use The. The mom with the flying. The Flying mom as a bat signal piece of art. I like that as well. However, it was Francisco Scaramanga, who scores once again with his kegger for mom art. That's what the title is. And I'm just looking to see if there was anything I think I pushed maybe for one other Mother's Day. No, there really wasn't. It was weak. Yes. And a lot of the art is dingy. You're right. You're so right about that. That's an interesting observation. A lot of Pope. A lot of Pope stuff. A lot of raw dogging. A lot of raw.

Adam Curry (144:00)

You probably noticed this more with this. With. Not this piece, but the. When the last piece would look good on the art generator, but then when it showed up on the.

John C. Dvorak (144:07)

It's a little.

Adam Curry (144:08)

It was dingy. It didn't have any white.

John C. Dvorak (144:11)

Yeah, yeah. It's not white enough.

Adam Curry (144:13)

The contrast was. Was minimized. And the Scaramanga piece is probably the worst example of this. There is no dynamic range.

John C. Dvorak (144:22)

No, no, but don't worry. We'll fix it once we have more compute.

Adam Curry (144:27)

Just get some more. Try a different system.

John C. Dvorak (144:30)

I had lunch with a new guy in town. He's a little bit younger than me, which was nice. Everyone's a little bit older than me.

Adam Curry (144:36)

Wait, wait. How did this come about? Oh, they just walking down the street and just had lunch with some rando.

John C. Dvorak (144:43)

No, he actually does the mixing at church for the worship team, which is Christianese for band. And he's a musician, so he plays guitar, but he's doing all the mixing. And finally, it's starting to sound good. It really sounds good. And he is a sales guy for. For the hyperscalers. And so he sell. So I won't mention his company, but they sell AI products. And they sell products where you can select the model you want. And so I said, oh, this is great. So we sit. So I said, go out to lunch. We go out to lunch, have a little chat. And I said, well, what do you think of this AI? He says, you know, people in the industry are saying, like, this is like jet travel. This changes everything. He says, this is bull crap. He says, it's all still machine learning and it's pretty. Pretty good at it. But there's no. He's like me. He says, there's no intelligence in this artificial intelligence.00 says we're not even at 0.1% of anything intelligent. Now, if you give it structured data and you want to sift through it and find things and categorize yeah, that's machine learning. It's machine learning. That's where we were before the AI hype took off. And it took off because people like Scaramanga can make this stuff. And we're like, we're gobsmacked, but like, wow, this is great. How did you do that? Or you can make a country song, because all the AI generators only make country songs. You notice that? Oh, man, I made a great song. With AI, it's always a country song. So that's just. And he agrees with me. It's just a parlor trick. So that made me feel very good. I paid for lunch. Good to go.

Adam Curry (146:19)

Wow, he got you. What else do you want me to say that I agree with?

John C. Dvorak (146:26)

Hey, a big $49 check at Werner's Cafe.

Adam Curry (146:29)

I think 49 bucks for lunch is a lot.

John C. Dvorak (146:31)

It's Fredericksburg, baby. It's better to eat at home here for two people, two sandwiches, two drinks and pie. 49 bucks is kind of. What do you pay for it in California for that?

Adam Curry (146:45)

$3.50.

John C. Dvorak (146:47)

Okay. All right. I'm moving to Cali. They'll tax you on the back end. Don't worry. They make it up on volume. So. Thank you very much, Francisco Scaramanga. Thank you to all of our artists who diligently participate in this wacky contest@noagendaartgenerator.com. we really do appreciate what you do. Now to the donations. It'll be a quick list. And of course, I've been grousing about this because this is the lowest that's been in a long time. I want to point out that this is the only gig we have. So, you know, and this is a full time job. And it's not so much about, you know, executive producers, associate executive producers. That's really nice. But it's really. Where are the people who just appreciate us and just give us five bucks a show? That's what I'm missing.

Adam Curry (147:34)

Well, the over 50s today.

John C. Dvorak (147:36)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (147:36)

In other words, everybody, including associate executive producers and people paid over 50 is a grand total of 28 people. Since the newsletter is 29,000 something, this is less than one person. Person per thousand. That's the newsletter. And we have about 800,000 to a million listeners.

John C. Dvorak (147:54)

Well, I'm going to take a look right now. I'll take a look at that.

Adam Curry (147:57)

Hold on. And only 28 people.

John C. Dvorak (148:01)

That's telling me something. That's telling me.

Adam Curry (148:03)

It's telling us that although they must be. They're listening. We still have the terabytes that Are flowing from the server.

John C. Dvorak (148:12)

Well, here I have. Here I have. In April, we had. Oh, we're down. In April, we had 743,000 unique listeners. That's April.

Adam Curry (148:25)

That's down.

John C. Dvorak (148:26)

That is down. It's down from about 800.

Adam Curry (148:29)

Well, 850, 860. We used to be up, floating around in a bump.

John C. Dvorak (148:33)

We're on our way down, we're on our way out. We're old.

Adam Curry (148:37)

These things have. We're not enough TikToks.

John C. Dvorak (148:40)

Wrap us in fish. I mean, that's nothing. We're just a bunch of old boomers.

Adam Curry (148:44)

Gotta play old boomers. Nobody cares.

John C. Dvorak (148:46)

Yeah, so maybe we play TikTok clips anyway. We do like doing this, by the way.

Adam Curry (148:52)

I have to say. The TikTok clips come in bunches. Like, you know, you can't. Don't see anything. Every once in a while, somebody will send me one, say, look at this one. And I catch it, and it just hooked to a bunch of other ones. Bang, bang, bang, bang. They're all, you know, they're nailing it.

John C. Dvorak (149:08)

An algo, by the way.

Adam Curry (149:09)

Yeah, but the algo doesn't trigger right all the time. Because if it's. For example, if I'm using Jay's phone.

John C. Dvorak (149:15)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (149:15)

Oh, no, the elgo always drives me to the same.

John C. Dvorak (149:18)

Yeah, but it's a phone. It's an app. The app is doing all kinds of stuff under the hood that you don't see. That's why it knows.

Adam Curry (149:24)

I'll tell you what I get a lot of if it's. If I'm left in my own. If the thing figures who I am and they want to give me stuff. I like lousy cooking videos. People who can't cook.

John C. Dvorak (149:35)

Yeah, there's a of lot. Lot of that.

Adam Curry (149:37)

And they can. And it's like a joke to watch. I mean, you can't now. It's like watching a train wreck. You just can't not watch what is. Who would eat this? And that's one. That's one. The other ones are the phony baloney elaborate videos that show you that something. You could do this, that, and the other thing. And then magically something happens, which is bogus. My fate. The most recent one I had, there's a guy. Okay, guys. Takes a. He takes a wine glass and he wraps the bottom in foil and puts some foil in the bottom of the stem so it's all foil up. Then he puts. Lays it on a. On a box and the box. And he's got the wine glass pointed against the wall and he's got all the foil around it. And then he takes his phone, turns on a video, puts the phone up against a foam block. So it's. It's. So it is being. So it's up kind of up against the wine glass, and suddenly, magically, the image on the phone is projected onto the wall.

John C. Dvorak (150:33)

Oh, no. Yeah, there's a lot.

Adam Curry (150:37)

It's like dead serious. It's bull crap.

John C. Dvorak (150:40)

Well, you know, if you just gave up on this show and spent your time making TikTok videos of you cooking, you would do better. I guarantee you. You would do better. Thank you. Cotton gin. 1804 was the total. The. The script broke. That's all right. That's decent. But you're right. 29. 28. 29 people above 50. And it's.

Adam Curry (151:03)

And.

John C. Dvorak (151:03)

And a lot of the executive associate, executive producers, they figured out, oh, you know, I can put an ad in here.

Adam Curry (151:11)

So I'm a little down. Is 29. But you got to remember, the first cell is 28.

John C. Dvorak (151:17)

28. The bottom line is it's value for value. And if we don't feel that we get the value back, whatever that means to us, whatever it means to you, if you don't give us anything, then we will find. I will find something else to do. And if I find something else to do, John, you're going to have to. To find something else to do. You're not going to do this show on your own. It's not a threat.

Adam Curry (151:36)

It's a promise of the value for value.

John C. Dvorak (151:40)

Now, I would watch that. I would watch the John TikTok Show. I mean, Tina shows me the cooking videos all the time. This is one old bag. And she. And I say that because she says about herself and she's cooking, her son is always there.

Adam Curry (151:57)

You're apologizing for using the term old bag.

John C. Dvorak (152:00)

Yeah, I don't want to be mean. And. And she's throwing, like, everything is cheese, and I throw some cheese.

Adam Curry (152:09)

All these guys, they always top it with a bunch of cheap cheese cheese.

John C. Dvorak (152:14)

Melt the cheese on it. And she always tastes. And she. Oh, it's delicious. Yes, yes. People love that. People love cooking stuff. It's putting everybody out of business. This TikTok is a screen scourge. We should ban it. The Chinese are tracking you with it. It's no good. We do want to thank our Dutch producer who was the top executive producer today with 526.36. And this is a longtime supporter, Marcel van Dongen from Schravenhage in the Netherlands. ITM gents, he says my first donation was a fifteen hundred dollar in double up episode 1501. I was announced but not knighted. But whoa. So I think that makes me a black insta Baron Douchebag. Well, not a douchebag, that's for sure. I hope I am not too late for the title of Commodore. I think we made an exception for him, did we not?

Adam Curry (153:04)

Yeah, because of this complaint.

John C. Dvorak (153:06)

Well. And he's spot on. I'd. Oh. Hope I'm. He says I hope I am too late. I think it means not too late for the title of Commodore. I'd rather have a ZX Spectrum title. My 60th birthday is coming up this Thursday, May 15th, so. Happy birthday. Can I have a deduching.

Adam Curry (153:27)

You'Ve been de douched.

John C. Dvorak (153:30)

And for the roundtable some drop shot and strobe waffles. Dropshot. Okay, you got it. And a title change from night of the Ivame. As he said. Try with two bleach to night or Baron of the Kalangala hideout. We are planning on building a resort on the Kalangala island in. Is that pronouncing that right? Kalangala. I have Kalangala island in Lake Victoria and thinking how how to do the V for V model there. Don't I advise against it now. It's. It won't work. Douchebag. Show up and they'll just take advantage of you. Any tips? Yeah. Don't. Thank you for your courage. Marcel Vandoma. Marcel, I don't know if we order. Let me make sure we get that order.

Adam Curry (154:15)

6:36 was his donation.

John C. Dvorak (154:18)

Yes, and I am making sure that we have your drop shot and the strobe waffles at the round table. You better. Thank you very much. Much. Marcel.

Adam Curry (154:25)

Kevin. Cuneo or Cuneo? One of the two in San Carlos is over here with our Anonymous Cop. I guess. 35093 ITM John and Adam, please deduce me you've been de douched. This donation of 33333 which is what it amounts to before the fees. Which by the way are only $0.15 if you use a check. That's right. May I please request request Baby making karma and trump jobs. Karma. Cheers KC in San Mateo County.

John C. Dvorak (154:56)

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

Adam Curry (155:00)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (155:07)

There you go, Kevin. And remember if it works, you gotta name your kid after John and Adam. Kevin Cunio, San Carlos, California. California ITM Adam and John. Please deduch me. Oh, there we go.

Adam Curry (155:21)

You've been deuching. You're reading the same note.

John C. Dvorak (155:24)

Oh I'm sorry. Well, he got a double deduching Sir Brian with an I. That's the one I needed to do. Sir Brian with an eye. Who does not know Sir Brian with an eye? He's from Cedar Park, Texas. 333. And he says I shall now be gallivanting at meetups as a baronet. But I request no title changes. My current name already carries too much clout and I don't want to confuse my fans. And if fans want to meet Sir Brian with an. He will of course be at the meetup. The Fredericksburg meetup coming up this Saturday. It's actually in Luckenbach at the 1776 Bar. We will all be there 3.33pm thank you, sir Brian with an eye. And we look forward to you and your fans.

Adam Curry (156:02)

The town is named Luckenbach.

John C. Dvorak (156:04)

Luckenbach. Yes. Very famous town. Very fine, Very famous. Luckenbach.

Adam Curry (156:08)

That whole area must just have been taken over by the Germans.

John C. Dvorak (156:11)

Well, yes, it was founded by the Germans in. I want to say 1840. Some something. And supposedly.

Adam Curry (156:21)

Does anybody ever ask why? Who were these Germans that went to Texas in 1840?

John C. Dvorak (156:27)

These were very brave people who were looking for a better life than jolly old Deutschland. And they settled here and they. Apparently the Fredericksburgians made a deal with the Comanche Indians that was never broken. They treated them right. And there you go. That's the history of Fredericksburg. You might notice the name Fredericksburg. You know, name after.

Adam Curry (156:51)

I know that Frederick. I didn't know that. He had a bunch of ancillary towns named German names all around.

John C. Dvorak (156:58)

We've got the Schlitterbahn over there an hour away. Everything is German here.

Adam Curry (157:03)

I wonder how this went over during World War II.

John C. Dvorak (157:06)

So a friend of mine, of ours, he does a state sales. Which means you go into dead people's homes and you find all the. All the gems and you buy them up and then you sell them. He says here in Fredericksburg there's a lot of paraphernalia and flags and. And stuff with swastikas on it at the estate sales. I don't know if he puts those up for sale right away because I find a lot of income interesting stuff.

Adam Curry (157:38)

I bet he does. Dave Sorensen probably finds interesting stuff. He's in Winthrop, Washington and came in with 233.99. Forgive me, fathers, for I have sinned. It has been 301 days since my last donation. This row of ducks. I guess it was 22222 plus fees. It was hardly absolved me. But I do appreciate you both so much and still haven't missed an episode since the first one I listened to. Now, an announcement of possible interest for many of the extended no agenda community. My wife and I produce a family friendly primitive skills gathering annually up here in the wild mountains of Okanagan County.

John C. Dvorak (158:20)

Wow.

Adam Curry (158:21)

If you have never ever wanted to learn how to make buckskin, process your own animals. Flint knap, arrowheads. Cool. Forge iron and steel tools. Weave a basket with willow or have I don't think it Willow's coming, is she?

John C. Dvorak (158:40)

No.

Adam Curry (158:41)

Or have any interest in similar ancestral skills, consider attending the Saskatoon Circle next month starting on June 15th. More information@saskatooncirclegathering.com and mention this note for a 10% discount on on tickets. Lastly, as I embark on what will hopefully be my final career in this lifetime, I ask for grass growing Karma. Igm. You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (159:18)

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Adam Curry (159:51)

Yeah, this was pretty tight.

John C. Dvorak (159:53)

This is how you do it. And by the way, thank you for the product is very good. It's an outstanding product. I have never tried any other sea salt scrub, but this one does. It does the job as you as you prognosticate.

Adam Curry (160:06)

Linda Loopatkin's up here. She's from Lakewood, Colorado and wants jobs. Carmen says for a faster job search with a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com for your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. Must be be working.com and work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. $200. Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

John C. Dvorak (160:35)

Now we have a note from the Dale family. It's our last associate Executive producer title and it is written. It looks like written. This is. It's very 3D was written with pen and ink or one of those really fat nubs. Nub. Is it a nub? A nib. A nub. What do you call that? Yes, ITM John Adam. Until now we have only made small token donations. But I'm afraid it wasn't enough to deduce. So please deduce our team post haste.

Adam Curry (161:07)

You've been De douched over the years.

John C. Dvorak (161:10)

That no agenda show has filled an important modern events and critical thinking component in our home school. Ah, I love this. That's right. By the way, hello to all the kids from Heritage School. School listening, all three of you. This is not a school, though. It's a family education project and we wrote a book about it. We didn't go through a publishing house. This book did not have to be approved by a corporate editor. It told the story as best we could of our 19 year home education journey and the educational pedagogy we developed that led to our daughter getting a 1460 on the SAT. Whoa. Among other amazing accomplishments. Boost this Value for value audiobook on podcastindex.org now by searching this is not a school. So you can get that a modern podcast. Look for it in fountain or podcast guru. I like that. Thank you, John Adam Alby, Fountain and the noa. I was thinking Fountain and the no Agenda Nation for helping us navigate the value for value model and giving us an opportunity. Opportunity to work outside the system to tell our story our way. Keep up the great work. Jingles. Resist we much. R2D2 karma and ants and oh, and a you mind die. And sorry, I didn't get the you mind die. I might need a you might die. Hold on. Might die. Yes, of course. We always have that handy. Okay. Oh, it's the Dale family. John, Jessica, Caitlin, Casey, and Kayla. And John has been working on this for a long time. In this project, I've helped him from time to time. He had questions. You know, they were doing the RSS feed by themselves, but they did what most people don't do is actually reached out to someone who knows how to do this stuff. So that was a double appreciation. I know what, what they asked for advice and help, so I get a lot of emails from John. And so go boost those kids. They are pretty cool.

Adam Curry (163:10)

But resist we much, we must and we will much about that. Be committed.

John C. Dvorak (163:19)

You might die. Yeah. All right, everybody stand by. Here comes a little bit of John's ant song.

Adam Curry (163:27)

I got ants. I got ants. You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (163:44)

And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1764. It still is the best podcast in the universe and I love getting notes like that. That really does make my day when you say that, that it helps in your homeschooling project. Not a homeschool, but your schooling project at home. That gives me hope. Hope for humanity, Hope for America. Yes. I salute you. Of course, all of these titles are real ones. They can be used even in con if you happen to be there, you can walk around say, hey, Bobby, Bobby De Niro. I'm an executive producer, did you know that? Oh yeah. What of the no Agenda show.

Adam Curry (164:21)

Oh, really?

John C. Dvorak (164:22)

Excellent. Same for associate executive producer. That's how those things work and you can use them anywhere. These real show business credits are recognized, including IMDb.com and we recommend you open up an account there if you don't have one yet. You'll see thousands of other no Agenda producers there. We love to flood the zone. Thank you very much for supporting us here for episode 1764.

Adam Curry (164:44)

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Order. Shut up, Slade. Shut up, Slade. Before we continue on our merry way, I do want to play this Dave Smith.

John C. Dvorak (165:10)

Okay. Get closer to the microphone though, so we can all hear you.

Adam Curry (165:13)

I'll try to.

John C. Dvorak (165:14)

Okay.

Adam Curry (165:14)

If it was any closer, I'd be behind it.

John C. Dvorak (165:16)

Yeah, well, that might work.

Adam Curry (165:18)

So he was on Tucker Talk, bitching and moaning about Douglas Murray and the Murray. They went on Murray. They went on and on. But a couple of things came out of it that had nothing to do with that. One was the, the comment by Tucker that it's possible that they're going to. Because there's the way Smith saw it. And I think Tucker, to some extent they saw the future as podcasting.

John C. Dvorak (165:46)

No kidding. Wait, wait, did they say that, that Adam Curry had something to do with that?

Adam Curry (165:53)

They didn't mention your name, of course.

John C. Dvorak (165:54)

No, why would they?

Adam Curry (165:56)

No, but the point is, is that they talked about how media has when a new guy comes along and exploits the media. Presidential candidate, for example, like Roosevelt exploited radio before anybody else did. Kennedy did television, did the fire Fireside chat. Kennedy did ton of television. Trump did social media. And then he got on the podcasting thing, did three hour podcast. They talked about that.

John C. Dvorak (166:19)

That's right.

Adam Curry (166:19)

And Tucker's said, oh, well, I think they're going to crack down. And I said what I think, which. Or said to myself, what I think is I. I still think that someday down the road there'd be licensing or something like that because they can't let this thing go crazy. Well, we have, but the most thing that they thought mostly about you and podcasting 2.0, which means they can't crack down.

John C. Dvorak (166:43)

Correct.

Adam Curry (166:45)

So. So to give you kudos, that's, you know, minor compared to the one I thought when I got this clip where they brought up the fact that Smith was, you know, they were maybe giving him a gig on Fox. As a contributor. He did mention the amount of money they get paid this. These rando contributors on fox make 100k a year.

John C. Dvorak (167:05)

Whoa.

Adam Curry (167:07)

It's not bad.

John C. Dvorak (167:07)

No.

Adam Curry (167:08)

And so they just show up and do a comment. You know, there's a slew of them. It's all the same as the usual size suspects. But they brought this little ditty up, which is something you've been asserting since day one. About Fox and I let it play.

John C. Dvorak (167:23)

Is Greg Gutfeld and Tom Shalhou, who was hosting Red Eye at the time, they started using me on their Fox News shows. And so it was like the first time in my career I'd like started getting on tv. And I remember a few people at Fox and told me that they were like, hey, there's like some people in management are like interested in you. Like they're, they're taking, you know, some interest in you. And then it was kind of explained to me, not like ever directly, but it was like, you know, you're, you're a little out there for Fox News. And I remember at the time I was broke. I mean dead broke. Only on just. I put a finer point in that. What do they mean? Not in your personal life?

Adam Curry (168:01)

Your personal life.

John C. Dvorak (168:01)

Oh, no, no, no. More buttoned down than most people who are at the time. It wasn't. This is before I was married and had kids. But that's, believe me, that's not what they care about.

Adam Curry (168:08)

They don't care.

John C. Dvorak (168:09)

I found out pretty quickly by just doing shows at Fox News and then going to the bar afterward with some of the people there. You're like, oh, Conservatism Inc. Is not.

Adam Curry (168:17)

Exactly what you thought.

John C. Dvorak (168:18)

They're actually pretty liberal when it comes down to the bar. Hang after the show, I would say, but vindicated, once again. Vindicated. Yes, of course. There are a bunch of Democrats running Fox News. We know that.

Adam Curry (168:32)

Yeah, yeah. But Dave, it is confirmed with that clip. And of course Tucker said. Yep. Yeah, bunch what you get. Go to the bar and you'll find out what they're really thinking.

John C. Dvorak (168:42)

Well, I. Since you brought up podcasting, I have a question for you. This is a industry wide question. It is, it is rampant throughout the pic. The podcast industrial complex, which is basically people who do advertising, by the way. We could switch to advertising and do pretty well. I'm just telling you, even with our, you know, because we have a million downloads a month, that's a thousand CPMs. That's not bad. We could do okay. I'm just saying.

Adam Curry (169:13)

Yeah, we don't want to do that, people.

John C. Dvorak (169:15)

No, of course I don't want to do that. I'd rather give up. I'd rather rage quit, which would be cool. Adam Curry rage quits anyway.

Adam Curry (169:23)

Adam Curry rage quits. So because leaves aging co partner in the lurch.

John C. Dvorak (169:30)

And then we have a picture of.

Adam Curry (169:33)

You.

John C. Dvorak (169:33)

Have a picture of you in a rocking chair. Like, he left me. He stranded me. I got nothing to do. No one visits me. Nowhere to go. Anyway, this is a good question for you because of the nature of how podcast advertising works, which I will say right off the bat is a scam, because it is. It's based upon downloads. And you can buy downloads, you can create bots that do downloads. Yeah, most of the hosting companies, they all adhere to the IAB standards and they've been verified, which cost them $50,000 or some crazy amount, because in order to be verified, which means they came. We checked your logs. There's no fake downloads here, whatever. Of course, when Apple decided they weren't going to have past episodes download automatically, everything went down 20% and people had to pay millions of dollars in make goods. Well, you just leave that by the side. Downloads. Not a scam, people. Okay, but the nature of the measurement is. Is iffy at best. So what happened is. And so podcasting is under attack. Not podcasting 2.0, but podcasting itself is under attack because YouTube in particular came in and said, oh, no, we're the number one podcasting platform in the universe. Have you heard this? Have you seen the numbers? Have you seen the press releases? They barrage the market.

Adam Curry (170:59)

About to find out.

John C. Dvorak (171:00)

Well, they barrage the market with, we have the most podcast. Now, of course, they're not a podcast platform because, yes, you can give them your RSS feed, but they just use it to slurp in your videos and that's it. Or even your podcast. You can't change your feed or take something out. No, it's ingested, it's done. And you can mark you your YouTube channel as a podcast. Now, advertisers love this because, oh, I can advertise on podcasts and I can get real numbers. Of course, YouTube has very detailed statistics and they can say, well, you got a million plays. What is a play? Well, it's 60 seconds. It's not even. It's like 20 seconds of someone watching. But okay, that's fine. That's a view. Or that, that's a play. So the advertising industrial complex for podcasting started to call videos on YouTube podcasts. Do you see the problem here?

Adam Curry (172:05)

Well, the problem Is every. The whole thing is a scam.

John C. Dvorak (172:08)

Right. But so when. When you. When you don't have to me, you have an RSS feed that's a podcast. You host it at a. At a hosting company, or we happen to have void zero. We hosted our. Ourselves. We're in control. YouTube can. You can even upload audio with a picture on it or whatever, but that's not a podcast. A podcast is independent. It's decentralized. It's distributed. No government, no Silicon Valley company can take you down. Even if Apple decides, which they've done in the past, they don't want your podcasts on the Apple podcast apps. They do it all the time. Time. Spotify deletes episodes all the time. That can't happen. And that, to me, is a podcast. You have your RSS feed, and it's an independent thing. Do you. Do you have an opinion on this? Can you tell me what is a podcast? If someone said, what's a podcast? How does John C. Dvorak define that?

Adam Curry (173:08)

I would say a podcast is an independently prepared produced audio product that might have a video component, but it's basically an audio product that's distributed through RSS through various mechanisms. And it can be anything from A to Z in terms of, you know, how it's structured or how it exists or what it's about.

John C. Dvorak (173:32)

Thank you. I'm with you on that. Let's listen to Bill O'Reilly's definition of what a podcast is.

Adam Curry (173:39)

I. Drives me crazy. People go, oh, I watch your podcast on a podcast.

John C. Dvorak (173:45)

Look, if your guy has tattoos and.

Adam Curry (173:47)

Dirty sneakers, it's a podcast. If he's dressed as dapper as I dress, it's a broadcast.

John C. Dvorak (173:56)

There you go. If you have dirty. If you have dirty sneakers and tattoos, then it's a podcast. If you're dressed like Bill O'Reilly, it's a broadcast podcast.

Adam Curry (174:08)

He says this on his podcast?

John C. Dvorak (174:11)

No, it's a. He refuses. I mean, he's moving to Netcast next, I hear.

Adam Curry (174:15)

Yeah, I'm surprised he doesn't do Netcast, which was another denial.

John C. Dvorak (174:21)

All right. Hey, the saga continues.

Adam Curry (174:24)

So that was a shaggy dog story.

John C. Dvorak (174:25)

It was a shaggy dog story. It was indeed. But I'm glad that you have a better definition of what a podcast is than Bill o' Roddy.

Adam Curry (174:33)

Well, anybody would.

John C. Dvorak (174:34)

Anybody would. Yes. So the scam continues. They continue to scam the American public, and everyone's in on it. Oh, man. It's falling apart. It's dangerous to fly. Don't go to New Jersey.

Adam Curry (174:48)

Happening today. The FAA will continue discussions with six major airlines about the ongoing delays at Newark Liberty International Airport. The agency wants to reduce the number flights at the airport in North Jersey. Meanwhile, we're learning new information about the two radar outages in the last two and a half weeks at a Philadelphia facility that manages flights for Newark. During that time, air traffic control could not see or talk with planes. The FAA explained on Capitol Hill yesterday that the primary and backup lines both failed. The agency says it is now working to add a third line.

John C. Dvorak (175:22)

Again, our air traffic controllers who are in this a grand Gitmo nation all say that happens all the time. And adding another one of these lines to communicate with the radios is not going to help. You just need a whole, a different system. But they're really going to go out. It's going to be billions and it will take forever to implement. And this is just like the drone story or just like any other story that hypes the media and scares everybody. Oh, they can't see us on the radar. We're all going to die. How? Hasn't happened yet. And as predicted, the blame goes to the previous administration, specifically Pete Buttigieg.

Adam Curry (175:59)

So I was all set before we had the rigged election to give out a brand new gorgeous system to one company that was going to do the whole thing. One of the best companies in the.

John C. Dvorak (176:09)

World that you know very well.

Adam Curry (176:10)

You know, there are three or four of them that do it. And when they took over, Buddha Dej, who has no clue, you know, he drives to work on his bicycle with his, with his, in all fairness, with his husband on the back, which is a nice, loving relationship, but he didn't have a clue. This guy didn't have a clue.

John C. Dvorak (176:29)

Yes. Predicted. Blame it, Buddha.

Adam Curry (176:31)

Judge. Yeah, I'm glad you got that clip because I, I saw that clip. It's old. It's great.

John C. Dvorak (176:36)

It's great.

Adam Curry (176:37)

But it's so funny. This on his bicycle with his husband.

John C. Dvorak (176:42)

It's hilarious.

Adam Curry (176:45)

He never stops.

John C. Dvorak (176:46)

He doesn't. Back to the kind of the medical industry. Another huge controversy. This is the controversy that we've been tracking with Casey Means. We can't have her as surgeon general. The meaningless post. But okay. Oh, no, we can't have her because she's a shill for big Pharma with her brother and it's no good. And NPR investigated.

Adam Curry (177:09)

President Trump has a new pick for U.S. surgeon General. Surgeon General. He's tapped.

John C. Dvorak (177:14)

Wellness influencer Dr. Casey Means.

Adam Curry (177:16)

That's in place of his original.

John C. Dvorak (177:19)

We need to be wellness influencers. Maybe that's a gig for us. What do you think? Well, I mean, you're living a long time. We just say, well, this is how we live. This is how we've stayed alive so long. Don't you think that's a good gig? Wellness influencer.

Adam Curry (177:31)

Yeah. And wine reviewer choice, former Fox News contributor Dr. Jeanette Neshwat. NPR's Will Stone is here with the details.

John C. Dvorak (177:40)

Hi, Will. Hey there. Hey there. Why did Trump drop his first pick for surgeon general?

Adam Curry (177:46)

So no official statement from Trump or the White House on that, but it.

John C. Dvorak (177:50)

Seems there may have been a few issues at play here. So first, Neshwat had come under scrutiny recently for misrepresenting her medical credentials, including.

Adam Curry (177:59)

Where she went to medical school.

John C. Dvorak (178:01)

This was revealed by an independent reporter, Anthony Clark, and has been matched by other outlets, though NPR has not independently confirm the reporting.

Adam Curry (178:09)

At the same time, Nashwa was also facing some strong opposition from those on.

John C. Dvorak (178:13)

The right and in Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr's Make America Healthy Again or Maha movement.

Adam Curry (178:20)

One reason was her support for COVID.

John C. Dvorak (178:22)

Policies like masking and vaccines.

Adam Curry (178:25)

Yes. So whatever the rationale, Trump took to.

John C. Dvorak (178:27)

Social media this week and announced he tapped Dr. Casey Means instead, saying she has, quote, impeccable maha critic credentials. Well, we're about to find out about those. By the way, the three stooges were far ahead of their time with Maha.

Adam Curry (178:42)

Maha.

John C. Dvorak (178:44)

Yeah. We continue.

Adam Curry (178:46)

Well, tell us more about Casey Means.

John C. Dvorak (178:48)

Who is she? Yeah, she's a wellness influencer, author and entrepreneur. She has a company that sells glucose.

Adam Curry (178:56)

Monitoring devices to consumers.

John C. Dvorak (178:58)

Her background is in medicine. She went to Stanford Medical School and.

Adam Curry (179:02)

Went on to surgical residency.

John C. Dvorak (179:03)

Residency.

Adam Curry (179:03)

But she dropped out pretty far along in the program.

John C. Dvorak (179:06)

Her book is kind of a self help diet type of book.

Adam Curry (179:09)

It really catapulted her into the online wellness space.

John C. Dvorak (179:13)

She's been on big podcasts. She appeared at a highly publicized congressional roundtable on nutrition last year that featured Secretary Kennedy and other big names in the Maha world.

Adam Curry (179:24)

But her resume is definitely a problem for many in medicine and public health.

John C. Dvorak (179:29)

She did have a practice in Oregon, but again, never completed her residency and she doesn't have an active medical license right now.

Adam Curry (179:36)

I called up Dr. Richard Carmona to.

John C. Dvorak (179:38)

Get his take on this. Carmona was the surgeon general under George W. Bush.

Adam Curry (179:42)

Every previous surgeon general, when you look, they've got the license, they've got their residency, they have had at least some leadership ability that's scalable and we don't.

John C. Dvorak (179:51)

See any of that here.

Adam Curry (179:52)

I think that our nation deserves.

John C. Dvorak (179:57)

I think this is so great. Can you Name three former surgeon generals.

Adam Curry (180:03)

I can name Coop.

John C. Dvorak (180:04)

That's one.

Adam Curry (180:05)

The bearded guy.

John C. Dvorak (180:06)

Yep.

Adam Curry (180:07)

I can name this last guy. The. The weird Indian character.

John C. Dvorak (180:11)

You can't name him. You can't name him.

Adam Curry (180:12)

Navish Shreem Shri Navish.

John C. Dvorak (180:15)

Navidat. No, you can't, because they're not. They're not. Just not that important. Important, sorry to say. And Coop said don't smoke and didn't stop me.

Adam Curry (180:28)

How are her supporters responding to this?

John C. Dvorak (180:33)

Well, Secretary Kennedy is doubling down on his support. He's claiming Dr. Means will be the greatest surgeon general in American history.

Adam Curry (180:40)

It's also worth noting her brother, Cali Means. So Kennedy's picking up on Trump's style.

John C. Dvorak (180:48)

He's totally got it, baby.

Adam Curry (180:49)

Her Means will be the greatest surgeon general in American history. It's also worth noting her brother.

John C. Dvorak (180:55)

Callie Means is a prominent advisor to Kennedy.

Adam Curry (180:58)

A lot of her messaging aligns with the secretary.

John C. Dvorak (181:01)

She rails against the healthcare industry, big food and big pharma.

Adam Curry (181:05)

Talks a lot about nutrition and lifestyle.

John C. Dvorak (181:07)

Here's what Kennedy said on Fox News just the other day. Casey Means, we felt was the best person to really bring the vision of MAHA to the American public. She has this unique capacity to articulate it. Now, Kasey Means has made statements casting doubt on the safety of certain vaccines and the vaccine schedule. She's also endorsed things like raw milk, similar to Kennedy. All of this is concerning to experts in public health. But some in the Kennedy coalition are not happy with the pick.

Adam Curry (181:39)

For example, Kennedy's former running mate Nicole.

John C. Dvorak (181:42)

Shanahan has criticized the choice heavily, as have others. And some of the pushback has to do with her vaccine stance that she has not come out strongly enough against vaccines, especially the COVID shots. So this choice is revealing, I'd say some fractures in the MAHA coalition. And that plus concerns about her lack of experience could derail her nomination. We'll see.

Adam Curry (182:06)

That's NPR's Will Stone. Thank you so much for talking with us. Thank you.

John C. Dvorak (182:10)

Glad that NPR finally got the story. Yes, yes, There's a lot of problem because she has not come out strong enough against the COVID shot.

Adam Curry (182:20)

And this is the criticism, I think Kelly, last show he played. Kelly.

John C. Dvorak (182:25)

Megan Kelly. Megyn Kelly.

Adam Curry (182:26)

Megyn Kelly. That's right. Megyn Kelly's clip where she, I think, you know, does a reasonable job of defending the woman and says that you can't come out as a big anti Covid shot person and expect that to get confirmed because the behalf of Congress is bought and paid for by the pharma companies. And they don't want to. They're screwed as far as they're concerned. Facts is the way to go. Get vaccinated for everything. Get 86 when you're a little baby.

John C. Dvorak (182:54)

But this has been going on for a long time. Before she was even in play for surgeon general, she and her brother had been accused of being shills coming out of nowhere. All of a sudden, they're on all the big podcasts. I don't think you're, you're anything until you've come on the no Agenda show. Oh, wait, we don't have any guests. And, and they would not denounce the COVID vaccine. And that is the problem. And Maha is going to her. So it'll be interesting to see how this confirmation goes. In the meantime, this was very peculiar this morning that I saw on FOX News when it comes to vaccination. And they brought out Tucker Carlson's old doctor pal. Remember that guy, the old dude Whenever, whenever Tucker was on Fox. Yeah. He had, he had this one doctor and he was the same guy over and over. We always made fun of him.

Adam Curry (183:47)

Usual suspects. That's what they do.

John C. Dvorak (183:48)

Usual suspects. And here's the news.

Adam Curry (183:50)

HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Shifting $500 million from COVID 19 projects with the goal of a universal vaccine to protect against against multiple strains of a virus at once. FOX News Senior medical analyst Dr. Mark Siegel is here to tell us all about this. Dr. Siegel, this would be getting one shot for the flu that could maybe last 10 years.

John C. Dvorak (184:10)

How long have we heard this story? One shot. You never. Only one. One and done. It's good to go for the flu. Never get another one for the rest of your life.

Adam Curry (184:19)

I'm surprised we haven't got clips on this from 10 years ago.

John C. Dvorak (184:23)

We probably do.

Adam Curry (184:24)

I think it's going to start with, with the flu.

John C. Dvorak (184:25)

And if we get there with the.

Adam Curry (184:26)

Flu, maybe we can broaden it to more shots. The whole idea is that you get a different flu shot every year. Right.

John C. Dvorak (184:32)

Or we did that with COVID So it's because we look at the virus.

Adam Curry (184:36)

That enters the cell. Only that protein, just that protein that gets it into the cell and it causes a lot of problems and a lot of changes. And you have to change the shot all the time. And it doesn't always work with flu. So now President Trump and RFK are bringing into play Jeffrey Taubenberger, who's the number one flu researcher in the world, in my opinion. Very excited about this guy Taubenberger. He's now very excited. The National Institute of allergy, infectious diseases.

John C. Dvorak (185:01)

Which is the job that Fauci had.

Adam Curry (185:03)

And you know who this guy is? He went into the tundra in Alaska and discovered the Spanish flu. That's how amazing he is.

John C. Dvorak (185:11)

Amazing.

Adam Curry (185:12)

He's been working on flu vaccines for a really long time. And you already nailed it, which is you try to get. Get into the shot, different proteins. So you get one response that will work for all flu. We got to get there.

John C. Dvorak (185:23)

We got to get.

Adam Curry (185:24)

Great. Then you don't have to get a shot every year, actually. Absolutely. Great, great program.

John C. Dvorak (185:27)

Great program. I'm not for this. I don't think this is.

Adam Curry (185:33)

Well, the vaccine companies aren't for it either. Obviously. That's what's never going to happen.

John C. Dvorak (185:38)

That's true. That's.

Adam Curry (185:39)

Why would you want that when you can give a shot shot every year? Every year. It could be dog crap in the shot. Who cares? You're. You're not liable for anything. So you just manufacture. We could be distilled water. Shot, shot, shot, shot. Do you think by the time free here at the pharmacy, do you think this is.

John C. Dvorak (185:58)

Is Robert Kennedy Jr. You think he's. He's just like, go over here, work on that for a while. Is that what this is? Could be, yeah. Possible. All right. Last thing I have is about Florida fluoride. Because of course. And this is, I think, a very good thing Bobby has said. We got to stop this. States everywhere are stopping fluoridating their water. Should have happened decades ago, but the pharma industry is not taking this lightly because. Oh, then. Oh, no, it's bad. It's bad. It's really bad. And what Fluoride tablet? No, it's bad.

Adam Curry (186:29)

In today's Health Watch, the FDA is getting ready to take prescription fluoride drops and tablets for kids off the market. So this comes as Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy fights to remove fluoride from our drinking water. Let's bring in CBS News medical contributor. That's Dr. Celine Gowder.

John C. Dvorak (186:45)

Yes.

Adam Curry (186:45)

At large for public health at KFF Health News to sort it out for us. Good to see you. Dr. Slain. So how.

John C. Dvorak (186:51)

KFF Health News, by the way, is as far as I know, a bought and paid for publications like one of these. Oh, it's. We do health news. Okay.

Adam Curry (187:00)

No, KFF is the Kaiser Family Foundation.

John C. Dvorak (187:03)

Yes, exactly.

Adam Curry (187:04)

Yeah, they're just a Kaiser shill.

John C. Dvorak (187:06)

Yes, exactly.

Adam Curry (187:07)

To sort it out for us.

John C. Dvorak (187:08)

But they sorted it out for us.

Adam Curry (187:10)

Good to see you, Dr. Saline. So how big a deal is this move from the fda? So FDA commissioner Marty Macri announced yesterday that they are considering or planning to phase out fluoride supplements such as tablets and drops for kids. And what we know is that fluoride, fluoride supplements really do still make a difference, despite fluoride in the water. In some places you don't have fluoride in the water. And many kids don't necessarily brush their teeth regularly with fluoridated toothpaste. They don't all make it to the dentist on a regular basis. And so we know that fluoride in general can reduce the rate of cavities by about 25% despite having other layers of protection.

John C. Dvorak (187:50)

So, okay, so what she's saying here is for kids who don't brush their teeth and don't get regular checkups, I can understand that. But you don't brush your teeth. Fluoride can help. No, you can't have gunk in your teeth all day. I know a lot about teeth. You cannot have gunk in your teeth and think that a fluoride tablet is going to solve that. But she, Celine Gounder is on the sales path.

Adam Curry (188:16)

Is there any evidence of kids getting.

John C. Dvorak (188:18)

Access to these drops and overusing them or any kind of negative effects? Oh, we need access to it.

Adam Curry (188:23)

Well, it's interesting that you asked that, Tony. So the attorney General.

John C. Dvorak (188:25)

Right, interesting you asked that because it was in your prompter. The script was there.

Adam Curry (188:31)

It's interesting that you asked that, Tony. So the attorney General of Texas is suing Colgate and Procter and Gamble over flavored kid friendly toothpaste. We do know that, for example, example with tobacco or vapes flavoring can encourage more use. Oh yeah. The argument here is it could encourage overuse of toothpaste if they're flavored for kids. That'll be the day kids are eating the toothpaste. Give me a break. Mommy, can I brush my teeth another 10 times today? Because the toothpaste is so tasty. All right, so fluoride is banned from water and fluoride supplements. What are parents to do? Well, at least for now you still have the toothpaste, the mouthwashes, the dental applied dentist applied varnishes. But as I mentioned, in Texas, they're actually going after some of the toothpastes. So, you know, the big concern here is that you have 70 million Americans who do not have dental insurance. We know that kids, low income kids, have three times the risk of dental cavities that go untreated to other kids, kids. And so we know that certain populations are really going to go, what did.

John C. Dvorak (189:40)

She say they go untreated to other kids. Make it sound like it's infectious somehow.

Adam Curry (189:44)

I have dental insurance. We know that kids, low income kids, have three times the risk of dental cavities that go untreated to other kids. And so we know that certain populations are really going to see a surge. Dental cavities surge. They always raise fluoride. Good, good, good, good. Now, this stuff is so confusing to me. All about this. Yes. Okay. Got it, Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Fluoride.

John C. Dvorak (190:07)

Good, good, good, good, good, good. It is.

Adam Curry (190:09)

Did they mention throughout these reports that the dentist can put a coating of fluoride on your teeth, which is the way it's supposed to be done? Direct contact with the enamel, she said the fluoride tray.

John C. Dvorak (190:19)

Yeah, she did mention that briefly. But the issue is, it's a true issue, is we need to have better dental care. People need more education on dental care. It's very important. Take it from a person who has. In his mouth. And it set us back quite a bit. And it was so that I would be able to still speak and not have dentures, so. And that's because I. It's not because I didn't brush with fluoride, believe me.

Adam Curry (190:52)

All right, well, that went nowhere.

John C. Dvorak (190:53)

No. What do you mean it went nowhere? It's important information.

Adam Curry (190:58)

Man. You're supposed to. Man.

John C. Dvorak (191:01)

Man. All right, take us out. You get one more shot.

Adam Curry (191:04)

I got one shot.

John C. Dvorak (191:05)

One shot. You got one shot.

Adam Curry (191:07)

I got a screw. Well, let's do the Trump and the Judiciary, because that's going on as we speak. This is a big deal going on in the Supreme Court right now about all the crap that's being thrown at Trump by these just rando judges. So let's play these two clips. A legal fight over one of America's oldest national security loss. Is he heating up? The Trump administration just wanted.

John C. Dvorak (191:29)

A federal judge in Pennsylvania has ruled that President Trump can invoke the Alien enemies Act, an 18th century wartime statute to deport migrants suspected of gang ties. The ruling from U.S. district Judge Stephanie Haynes marks the first judicial support for Trump's use of the law, putting her.

Adam Curry (191:45)

At odds with three other federal judges.

John C. Dvorak (191:47)

In Texas, Colorado, and New York. Trump invoked the law in March targeting.

Adam Curry (191:52)

Members of Trende Aragua, or tda, a Venezuelan gang he labeled a clip was supposed to go. This has been misclipped.

John C. Dvorak (192:01)

Well, I'm playing your clip.

Adam Curry (192:03)

All right, well, pull it. Pull it.

John C. Dvorak (192:05)

All right. Pulled it. Pull it.

Adam Curry (192:07)

Oh, no. There goes building seven. You get.

John C. Dvorak (192:11)

I'll give you One. One more shot. Not on this.

Adam Curry (192:14)

All right, this time we're going to go back to the public complaining about something, and this time is God. This is a complaint of mine too, which has been about Eulas and licensing and all the whole background that started with Word Star, where you never really bought the software product. This stems back in the days, early days of mainframes. You never bought the software product. You bought a license to use it. Now Nintendo's making poor kids buying a game. Nintendo's making poor kids buying a game. Now you don't own the game anymore. You get the license to use it.

John C. Dvorak (192:46)

Nintendo are updating our user agreement for the Switch 2. If you make any unauthorized modifications to your Switch 2, we will remotely deactivate your console so that you cannot play any more games.

Adam Curry (192:57)

Whoa.

John C. Dvorak (192:58)

I understand deactivating online play and the store with mods installed, but deactivating the console itself.

Adam Curry (193:05)

People will own the Nintendo Switch 2. They should have rights to do what they want with it.

John C. Dvorak (193:10)

Actually, they will not own the Switch 2. They will own the license to play the Switch 2. And that license can be revoked at any moment.

Adam Curry (193:18)

What? You sound like the big brother of gaming.

John C. Dvorak (193:21)

In addition to this, physical games will no longer be installed on the game cartridge. The game cartridge will only contain a key to install the game over the Internet.

Adam Curry (193:30)

Then what's the point of physical. And why are you charging another $10 for it? People will be paying $80 for a key.

John C. Dvorak (193:37)

Yes, exactly. A key to access the license to the game.

Adam Curry (193:40)

So we won't own anything. This is insane.

John C. Dvorak (193:44)

You know what else is insane? Selling out switch 2 pre orders within an hour. Do you know that my car, I have a console with like, you know, a screen. It popped up a EULA the other day.

Adam Curry (193:59)

Oh, no.

John C. Dvorak (194:00)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (194:01)

One of these days, it's like the insurance company taking over everything. They took over medicine. The medicine business. They took over. You know, they're trying to take over car repair business. They're trying to take over home appliance business. The insurance create these middlemen. The other big scam going on, it's never going to end, is the idea of licensing the car.

John C. Dvorak (194:20)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (194:20)

In other words, you're not going to buy a car. But, you know, you don't really own the car. You. You bought a license. 20, 30, 40, $50,000 for a license to use the car. That's where it's headed.

John C. Dvorak (194:32)

That's what's coming. And if you, you don't, if you don't agree to the license, they turn your car off. You know who's going to do that first? Elon. I guarantee you Tesla will be the first. They already. They already do it, I think, basically.

Adam Curry (194:46)

Yeah. This is. You don't. You won't own anything and be happy. This is what it stems from. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous.

John C. Dvorak (195:00)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (195:01)

On your agenda.

John C. Dvorak (195:06)

New rules. Starting Sunday, we're gonna make shorter shows. We're crazy. What are we doing this? We were way over today. It's my fault.

Adam Curry (195:15)

Oh, not over again. Well, let's start with getting these people out of the way here. Let's move them out.

John C. Dvorak (195:20)

All right, move them out.

Adam Curry (195:21)

Lucas Williams in Roswell, New Mexico. Our buddy there in the old, old space area. The alien Roswell. $100.

John C. Dvorak (195:29)

Boom.

Adam Curry (195:30)

Right at the top. Kevin McLaughlin shows you how dire it is. Conquer North Carolina. He should be like 10 that 10. 10 deep.

John C. Dvorak (195:38)

Yes, he should be 8,008.

Adam Curry (195:40)

He's the Archduke Aloon. A lover of America. Lover of boobs. We have another 8,008 from Al. I don't know. Gonsolin, Gonsoulin, Gonsulin in Missouri City, Texas.

John C. Dvorak (195:51)

Let me see.

Adam Curry (195:52)

Missouri City, 8008.

John C. Dvorak (195:56)

Yeah, Gonsal.

Adam Curry (195:57)

He's a gigawatt coffee lover.

John C. Dvorak (195:58)

Oh, aren't we all?

Adam Curry (196:00)

The last Fast eddie in Alameda. 8008. Well, at least you got some 8008s in urine snelders.

John C. Dvorak (196:11)

Urine.

Adam Curry (196:11)

Yaroon.

John C. Dvorak (196:12)

Yaroon.

Adam Curry (196:16)

Schnelder in Ennis, Texas. 75. He's got a call out to his friend Veronica. Dame Tony. Oh, Dame Tony helps. Haven't heard from here for a while.

John C. Dvorak (196:31)

She's been here the last couple of times with the auntie donation.

Adam Curry (196:35)

She's an Oklahoma City.

John C. Dvorak (196:38)

She wants the full. Here it comes. I'll just have an apple in my.

Adam Curry (196:44)

My room. Adam Herbert, South Windsor, CT. 6161. Which should be an aunt. Give her another Aunt Gigi. That's Aunt Gigi. 6161.

John C. Dvorak (196:56)

I'll just have an apple in my room.

Adam Curry (196:58)

Christopher Dector, 5678. Jonas Malpus in. I have Belgium. He's in Belgium. 5272.

John C. Dvorak (197:10)

Nuclear.

Adam Curry (197:13)

Adam Hurst in Alexandria, New South Wales. 5272, sir. Economic hitman in Tomball, Texas. 5001 and boom. We're already at the 50s and there's not that many of them, but there's a few. Name and location, starting with Gary Ma in Woodland Hills, California. Dame Patricia Worthington, our friend in Miami, Florida. She hasn't given up. Brandon Savoy, another one in Port Orchard, Washington. What's his title? Get a title. Kennel. Kennel. Kennel. Patelia, what do you think? Patelia in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina. Diane Schwanenbeck in Johnsburg, Illinois. Easy Landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut. Easy Landscapes. Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta. And lasts on a very, very, very, very short list. Robert Dry. Drykon Drykosin in Oshkosh, Bagosh, Wisconsin.

John C. Dvorak (198:15)

And we thank these donors $50 and over for their contribution. It is very much appreciated. We know you like the value you get and you send it back. We'd like to see more people doing that, please. Even at these levels, it's great. We appreciate it all of the amount of people who are. What is that?

Adam Curry (198:32)

What is.

John C. Dvorak (198:32)

What am I hearing? What is on?

Adam Curry (198:33)

Going.

John C. Dvorak (198:34)

Going on? That's weird. That's like some kind of earthquake happening.

Adam Curry (198:39)

Well, maybe you got an earthquake.

John C. Dvorak (198:40)

No, maybe not. Anyway, the point being we appreciate anybody who supports the show and we'd love to see more people step up, please. And of course, thanks, everyone. Under $50. For reasons of anonymity, we will not mention these. But we see you, we appreciate you and you can always support us with a donation of any amount, any frequency. That is a do it yourself sustaining donation. We, we need a lot more of those. Go to noagendadonations.com and support the show. If you get any value out of it, send that value back. Noagendadonations.com short list. But Marcel Fondongan turned 60 years old today. We say happy birthday to him. And Eric wishes Lauren Palota a very happy one. She is also celebrating today and she turns 30. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. Two title upgrades. One for Sir Marcel Von Don. He is the Knight of the Ivor. And he now becomes Sir Marcel Van Dun, Baron of Kalangala Hideout. The Baron of the Kalangala Hideout. I'll practice that. And of course, our very own Sir Brian with an Eye now becomes Baronet Sir Brian with an Eye. And he will be touting that at the meetup, I guarantee you. We have a commodore as promised. He came in late, but he deserves it. And we are very proud to welcome the brand new commodore. He is Commodore Marcel Van Dolan, Commodore era. We have a gifted knight note from Sir Mike of the Mountain. On the previous episode, his son gifted him the knighthood that he had earned. The knight name Sir Mike of the Mountain is perfectly fine. I would like to request though escargot at the round table. He got into you guys through me because I started listening to you guys around episode 100. Although I disagree with some of the assertions you guys have made over the years, which is fine, you are still a valuable source of news in a world of probably propaganda. Thank you. And he he ends with a Gandhi quote. Be the change you want to be and want to see in the world. I think we adhere to that. Thank you very much. Go to noagendarings.com that is where you can find your Commodore ship for our Marcel Fadonga Commodore. And I've ordered the escargots just for you. Thank you very much Sir Mike of the Mountain Jobs. It was actually a lawnmower coming by. I thought it was an earthquake the way it sounded. Meetups taking place today. Charlotte's 33rd Thursday monthly meetup that'll kick off at 7 o' clock in Ed's Tavern there in Charlotte, North Carolina on Friday. The North Country North country meetup number one. The first one in Mountain View grand, that's in Whitefield, New Hampshire. 5 o' clock Saturday. The no Agenda DFW Mid Cities meet up. That'll be at 11:30 in the morning, but it will be at the Bourbon Street Bar and Grill, so get your sauce on early, Sir. Nerdworks will be hosting that for you. Also on Saturday, the Colorado Springs Monthly Mead Up Noon Mountain time at Antelope Ridge Meadery. You can get your mead at the Meet up at the Antelope ridge Meadery. The Fort Wayne Club 33. No TSA May Day meetup. Oh that's right. Mayday. Hmm. 1233 at Casa Grill and Bar in Fort Wayne, Indiana. We have the east of Richmond meetup that'll be at 1 o' clock on Saturday. The New Kent Winery in New Kent, Virginia. The Planktown Pollen Pow Wow 3:30pm Pacific Plankton Planktown. I should say Springfield, Oregon. Go check out Commodore Dubs who's hosting that. And on Saturday come join us in Fredericksburg at the 2nd Annual Fredericksburg Meetup. Meetup 3:33pm at 1776 Bar and Full Moon in BNB in Fredericksburg, Texas. Frederick's FPG Matt will be hosting that with his lovely light with lovely wife. It's good you wanted to learn about some J6ers. Go meet Jenny at 1776 Bar. Tina and I will be there along with many luminaries from Texas here at the Fredericksburg Meetup and finally on Sunday, our next show day. ThetoManyggs.com number 12 at 3:33 New Hampshire time at Elm City Brewing Company in Keene, New Hampshire. Many more meetups can be found at NoagenDameetups.com these are producer organized. These are places where you will find the first responders when you have an emergency connection brings protection when you go to a no agenda meetup. Noagendameetups.com always a party.

Adam Curry (203:35)

You to be where you won't be triggered on hell. It's like a party.

John C. Dvorak (203:48)

All right. We still have some pretty good end of show mixes coming up. Even though what John says and I like them. We have a tip of the day with a complaint that came in about the tips of the day and we'll have to take care of that. But the tips of the day are very valuable and right now, now we'd like to look at the ISO clips that we'll be using to end the show with John. Have you done more AI work? Is that what you've been been at?

Adam Curry (204:13)

Up to some this and that and the other. I didn't get the the sentient AI back yet but I give her a rest.

John C. Dvorak (204:22)

Why don't you do yours? I have only one. I think it may be a winner and specifically for this show. So I'd like to go last.

Adam Curry (204:29)

Oh my. Just complaining.

John C. Dvorak (204:30)

Yes, of course.

Adam Curry (204:32)

We'll start with bear monkey. That was better than a bear fighting a monkey.

John C. Dvorak (204:42)

Okay. All right, I'll take it.

Adam Curry (204:47)

Then we have scared. I was scared out of my mind.

John C. Dvorak (204:50)

Nah, it's too much background noise.

Adam Curry (204:53)

Then. Wow. Best. Wow. Best three hours you'll ever spend.

John C. Dvorak (204:59)

That's pretty good. Here's mine. It's a no AI bye bye and donate. Nah, you got to admit that's pretty good.

Adam Curry (205:10)

I like it because it has the donate promotion.

John C. Dvorak (205:13)

Yes, I knew you would like it because it has the donate.

Adam Curry (205:15)

It's a little bit under modulated but you can probably boost it a bit. Yeah, let's use that. I'm going to keep my two though because I like them so much.

John C. Dvorak (205:27)

Yes. They are so dynamite.

Adam Curry (205:29)

I'm going to bump them.

John C. Dvorak (205:30)

You're going to bump them. They've been bumped. And now everybody. We will never bump this. It is John's tip of the day.

Adam Curry (205:43)

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti.

John C. Dvorak (205:46)

We have a complaint. We have a complaint.

Adam Curry (205:48)

I want to hear the complaint. We always get a complaint.

John C. Dvorak (205:51)

The complaint comes from Dana Brunetti, creator of the tip of the day and he says vid Ain't angel question marks. Tip of the day has turned into my Frankenstein. First the tip about the Chinese crap app Temu and now the censorship app Vidangel. It's a horrible product and shouldn't be used, much less paid $10 a month for. I use it. Use it on the no Agenda podcast and it reduced it down to 30 seconds. Please let the listeners know of my disgust and disapproval of this censorship. You are promoting John C. Dvorak. People who use this should be better parents and look at the ratings before watching something with their children. Don't expose them to censorship. Maybe Vid angel should pivot and work only to remove all the woke propaganda in film and tv. Actually, even that censorship I couldn't get behind. Thumbs down. I have to kind of agree with him. Yeah, I have to agree with him. I think Dana, I disagree with.

Adam Curry (206:57)

With you both. And the thing is, you see, you sound like. Like him when you do.

John C. Dvorak (207:00)

I know. It's pretty good, right? Yeah.

Adam Curry (207:01)

He never sent me that note. Of course. And I'm surprised that when you said a complaint by David Dana Brunetti, I figured that the complaint was he. His name wasn't pushed toward the front of the.

John C. Dvorak (207:15)

That would be the credits. No, he. He cares for humans and he cares for art.

Adam Curry (207:21)

Oh yeah. Well, him and, and, and De Niro.

John C. Dvorak (207:24)

Yeah, they should. They should hang out together. I agree. Fine pair.

Adam Curry (207:28)

Okay, so this tip of the day is for. I thought I had it. I thought I've given the. I think I mentioned it on the show. I never gave it as a tip of the day. And I went back and looked in the no agenda fund.com and then search the whole site, couldn't find it. So I figured, oh, you know, I give this tip of the day. It's a fabulous product. It's a freeware product called Irfan View. You've heard of it?

John C. Dvorak (207:48)

Irfan View? What?

Adam Curry (207:51)

I guess you haven't heard of it. No, it's I R F A N V I E W. It is a image software package that's for quick viewing of images. Also quick converting of images. For example, the horrible image format webp.

John C. Dvorak (208:10)

What's that? What's that iPhone format like they have iPhones sometimes send it.

Adam Curry (208:16)

There's a bunch of these groups horrified format that nobody uses you. But this will read them if you get. You have to. Or also put in the plugin package. But this will read anything. It reads KDC files, which is like the early, early digital format from Kodak H eic.

John C. Dvorak (208:34)

That's what Apple Phones send.

Adam Curry (208:36)

It'll read it.

John C. Dvorak (208:37)

It's horrible.

Adam Curry (208:38)

But as soon as it loads it in and you want to save it, you go save as. It'll save it as a jpeg, it'll save it as a ping. It'll do anything.

John C. Dvorak (208:44)

Can you convert sizes?

Adam Curry (208:47)

Yeah. You can do that too.

John C. Dvorak (208:48)

Well, I should use that because I'm always converting sizes for the Noah gender art. I will take your tip and I, I will let you know how I get on with it. That's a good idea.

Adam Curry (208:56)

And it does, it does minor editing. It's really good for a, For a fast crop, for a fat boom, boom, crop, boom, you're there. It's. It'll do a fast crop, it'll do a sharpened image, it'll do a couple of quick and dirty kind of contrast changes and some other very simple fast. It's super fast. So when you hit the image, it loads it right away. And it also plays movies faster than the Microsoft products. The Microsoft players slow suck and the Microsoft photo stinks. Get rid of those things. But the problem, I have to say there just is an add on here. You can't. It doesn't. You know in the olden days when you loaded Earth Fan View and say, would you like it to do all these things and say they have a of list of GIF and AVI and all these different formats that'll read and you just click yes for all of them. No. Now you have to go into the settings, I think, which I think is illegal. You have to go into the settings and hand change all the defaults to Irfan View. But once you do that, you're good to go.

John C. Dvorak (209:58)

I think this is a good tip. And this is. Now again, this is a freeware shareware or is it open source?

Adam Curry (210:05)

It's shareware freeware. It's not open source.

John C. Dvorak (210:08)

So you can, you can donate to the. To the creator of this product.

Adam Curry (210:12)

Yeah, this has a donate button. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (210:14)

Buy him a coffee. Well, I'd like. I like paying for my software. Excellent tip, everybody. John C. Dvorak comes through once again and you cannot criticize him for this tip of the day.

Adam Curry (210:29)

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti.

John C. Dvorak (210:33)

Well, you could of course criticize him, but we will reject your criticism because that was a good tip of the day. Oh, there. There she is. On time. Tina the keeper enters the studio. Meaning. Meaning I gotta get dressed for dinner. So that means. Yes, it does. That's it for our broadcast day. We would really like you to consider supporting the Show. Go to NoaGendaDonations.com Coming up next, we have another fine podcast product, a real one. And these guys don't have tattoo or dirty sneakers. It's random thoughts. And this is episode 322. And they are vibe coding. Oh, boy. I know what that is. It's painful vibe coding. End of show makes it from Nautilus K. James Bosworth and David Kekta all bringing it home for you. We will return on Sunday with another shorter show, but we will bring you the media deconstruction you need to stay sane, unless you're one of those people people on tik tok. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where we have a meetup coming up tomorrow in the morning, everybody.

Adam Curry (211:35)

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where I am out of here. Oh, my head. I'm John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak (211:42)

See you on Sunday, everybody. Remember us@noagendadonations.com until then, adios mo fos and such.

Adam Curry (211:55)

A1 Teaching A1 Teaching. A1 Teaching. A1 Teaching. There's a school system that's going to start making sure that first graders or even pre Ks have A1 teaching every year starting that far down in the grades. And that's just a. That's a wonderful thing. Day one teaching A1 teaching artificial intelligence. A1 teaching A1 teaching artificial intelligence. There's a school system that's going to start making sure that first graders or even pre Ks have A1 teaching every year starting that far down in the grades. And that's just a wonderful thing. Kids are sponges. Whoop. Get your sponges. Whoop. Get your sponges. Get your sponges. We're gonna have Internet in our school. Whoop. Whoop. A series of tubes. Whoop. We're gonna have Internet in our school. Whoop. Whoop. Artificial intelligence. We're gonna have Internet in our school. Whoops. A series of tubes. We're gonna have Internet in our school.

John C. Dvorak (213:15)

Artificial intelligence. Is she talking about AI? She's saying a1. Is that what I'm hearing?

Adam Curry (213:20)

Yep. A1 teaching kids are splendid. I think AI is a1.

John C. Dvorak (213:26)

Is she talking about AI? She's saying A1. Is that what I'm Hearing?

Adam Curry (213:29)

Yeah. A1 teaching kids are spin. I think AI is A1. Kids. They're gonna have Internet our school. A1 teaching artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence. Talking about AI we don't have Internet in our school. A1 teaching artificial Intelligence. Artificial intelligence. We're going to have Internet in our schools.

John C. Dvorak (213:55)

And a couple of people got their tit in the ringer over your newsletter.

Adam Curry (213:58)

I felt bad about it.

John C. Dvorak (214:00)

A rare apology. Well done though. You're like saying I was wrong. Maya cpa the past month is been nothing but Honest John.

Adam Curry (214:09)

Honest John has always been Honest John. Honest John.

John C. Dvorak (214:14)

Wow. What? Who are you? Honest John. What? Who are you?

Adam Curry (214:19)

Honest John.

John C. Dvorak (214:22)

Who are you? Honest John. Wow. What who are you? Who are you?

Adam Curry (214:30)

Honest John. It's always been Honest John. It's my old nickname. They used to call me that in high school.

John C. Dvorak (214:40)

Wow. What who are you?

Adam Curry (214:43)

Honest John has always been Honest John. They used to call me that in high school.

John C. Dvorak (214:48)

Honest John.

Adam Curry (214:51)

Honest John.

John C. Dvorak (214:55)

Honest John.

Adam Curry (214:59)

Honest John. I felt bad about it. I thought it would make up for the clip.

John C. Dvorak (215:07)

Not at all.

Adam Curry (215:14)

That's. But hold on.

John C. Dvorak (215:15)

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Adam Curry (215:42)

Most of our media are owned by a handful of tech billionaires.

John C. Dvorak (215:47)

No, that's not true.

Adam Curry (215:48)

It's only a lie. Most of our media are owned by a handful of tech billionaires. Why?

John C. Dvorak (216:02)

They're not tech billionaires.

Adam Curry (216:04)

What tech billionaire owns major media? They're not tech billionaires. I know that's not true.

John C. Dvorak (216:15)

It's almost a lie.

Adam Curry (216:18)

They're not tech billionaires. I know that's not true.

John C. Dvorak (216:23)

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