1770 - "Control Grid"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show - Episode 1770: "Control Grid"

Introduction and Overview Released on June 5, 2025, Episode 1770 of the No Agenda Show features hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak as they delve into current political tensions, technological advancements, and media narratives. Broadcasting live from Texas Hill Country, the episode covers a range of topics from Elon Musk's critiques of governmental policies to the intersection of big tech and nuclear energy.

Elon Musk vs. President Trump over the "Big Beautiful Bill" A significant portion of the episode revolves around the escalating conflict between Elon Musk and former President Donald Trump concerning the "Big Beautiful Bill," Trump's signature spending plan.

• Musk's Criticism: John C. Dvorak explains, “In a blistering 10 post high rate on X, Elon Musk torched President Trump's signature spending plan known as the big beautiful bill, calling it a disgusting abomination” ([01:51]).

• Impact on Musk's Businesses: The bill aims to phase out tax credits for electric vehicles, potentially affecting Tesla's bottom line. Additionally, it includes regulations on artificial intelligence, sparking further discontent from Musk.

• Bipartisan Reactions: Adam Curry emphasizes Musk's strategic positioning, stating, “With all due respect, my friend, Elon is terribly wrong. The bill could have a major impact” ([02:25]). The hosts discuss how Musk's opposition could influence Republican lawmakers and primary challenges.

Palantir and Its Role in Government Databases The conversation shifts to Palantir, a company at the forefront of data aggregation and AI, and its expanded role within the Trump administration.

• Insider Insights: Adam Curry shares insights from an anonymous Palantir insider: “If Palantir were scraping all of our data for Mossad, they would have more than enough data to train their AML models. They have exactly zero data in house. People like Whitney Webb would have you believe Palantir is...” ([13:43]).

• Government's Data Infrastructure: John C. Dvorak highlights the necessity of Palantir's platforms in organizing and analyzing fragmented government data, aiding in combating fraud and improving services.

Big Tech's Investments in Nuclear Power The hosts discuss the resurgence of nuclear power fueled by big tech's insatiable energy demands.

• Meta and Constellation Energy Deal: Adam Curry notes, “Facebook parent Meta Platforms has announced that it is going into a 20-year deal with nuclear power provider Constellation Energy for a steady flow of electricity to power its AI data centers” ([140:00]).

• Implications for the Nuclear Industry: John C. Dvorak points out, “This is all to fuel AI facilities that require enormous amounts of electricity and water to operate” ([140:00]).

Deconstructing Etymological Hoaxes: "Picnic" Origins A segment critiquing a viral misinformation campaign that falsely attributes heinous origins to the word "picnic."

• Debunking Myths: John C. Dvorak debunks the claim, stating, “The word picnic originated in the 1600s from a French word and has nothing to do with lynching or the N-word” ([160:53]).

• Purpose of the Hoax: Adam Curry adds, “This is to show how stupid people are. Anyone who falls for it proves they’re susceptible to nonsense” ([161:46]).

Trump Administration’s COVID Vaccine Policies The episode critiques recent changes to COVID-19 vaccine recommendations under Trump’s influence.

• Vaccination for Pregnant Women: John C. Dvorak reports, “U.S. health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. just removed the COVID vaccine recommendations for healthy pregnant women and children” ([76:55]).

• Public Fear and Confusion: Through dramatized clips, the hosts illustrate the anxiety caused by shifting vaccine guidelines, with Adam Curry sarcastically noting, “It's absolutely terrifying” ([76:56]).

Trump vs. Columbia and Harvard Universities A heated discussion on Trump’s aggressive attempts to undermine prestigious universities.

• Federal Actions Against Universities: John C. Dvorak details, “Trump led off his attack with accusations of the school not doing enough to combat anti-Semitism on campus...” ([53:26]).

• Legal Battles: Harvard retaliated by suing the Trump administration to unfreeze federal grants, highlighting a battle over academic freedom and funding.

Pride Month and Media's Representation The hosts analyze how mainstream media, particularly NPR, portrays Pride Month amidst political pressures.

• Declining Sponsorships: They note, “Attendance and sponsorships are down this year” due to Trump’s anti-drag and trans policies ([165:00]).

• Impact on LGBTQ+ Community: John C. Dvorak emphasizes, “Federal contractors are in a particularly precarious place when it comes to Pride because Pride is so closely integrated into broader DEI efforts” ([167:36]).

AI and Its Impacts: Myths and Realities A critical examination of artificial intelligence’s capabilities and the myths surrounding its potential threats.

• AI Misconceptions: The hosts argue against sensationalist claims, stating, “AI can't write novels or create hit songs. It’s not going to happen” ([173:32]).

• Rejecting Apocalyptic Narratives: John C. Dvorak counters alarming AI scenarios, emphasizing, “AI is inherently not intelligent. It is stupid, perfect at syntax” ([173:51]).

Artistic Content and AI-Generated Art Discussion on the use of AI in creating artwork for the show and its perceived decline in quality.

• AI's Creative Limitations: Adam Curry laments, “Everything's getting fuzzier. The colors aren't vibrant” ([157:07]).

• Outsourcing Creativity: John C. Dvorak comments on the hosts’ engagement with AI artists, highlighting a preference for human creativity over machine-generated content.

Community and Donor Recognition A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to acknowledging supporters and donors, reinforcing the show’s value-for-value model.

• Executive and Associate Executive Producers: The hosts thank high-tier donors, offering them producer credits and exclusive perks.

• Donor Stories: Through humorous and heartfelt anecdotes, Adam and John celebrate their community’s contributions, fostering a sense of camaraderie.

Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events The episode concludes with mentions of upcoming meetups, international gatherings, and a recap of significant discussions.

• International Meetups: Plans for events in Tokyo, Brussels, and other global locations are announced.

• Final Thoughts: John C. Dvorak reiterates the show's mission to deconstruct mainstream media narratives, ensuring listeners remain informed and critical.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: “Man, Trump is so smart.” ([00:51])
• Adam Curry: “Nobody's safe till everybody is safe.” ([76:40])
• John C. Dvorak: “Ensure people can discern the truth from misinformation.” ([84:01])
• Adam Curry: “AI can't write novels. It’s not going to happen.” ([173:32])

Conclusion Episode 1770 of the No Agenda Show offers a comprehensive analysis of the friction between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, the expanding influence of Palantir in government data management, and big tech’s venture into nuclear energy. The hosts also tackle disinformation campaigns, critique COVID-19 vaccine policies, and discuss media portrayals of Pride Month. Throughout the episode, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide a critical lens on mainstream narratives, emphasizing the importance of independent thinking and community support.

Transcript

[John C. Dvorak]

Subjugation, destruction.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Thursday, June 5th, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1770. This is no agenda, no mo bromance. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it looks like it's warming up, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzz. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Completely inspired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was all I was. I didn't think anything to say.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I mean. Completely inspired. Oh, it's a show. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's warm weather. Looks, it's a little windy.

[Adam Curry]

Warming up, warming up, warming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not much going on.

[Adam Curry]

Man, Trump is so smart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now what he's got, it's perfect.

[Adam Curry]

People are so dense. Everybody's in a tizzy. Elon's mad at the big, big beautiful bill. Elon is mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can be big, it can be beautiful, but it can't be both.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he went even further. His posting is disgusting. And President Trump is taking questions right now with Mr. Peepers in the Oval saying, I'm very, very disgusting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still going. No, that can't still be going on with Peepers as we speak. You have your monitors up there? Are they still talking?

[Adam Curry]

No, the quad is. The quad is. Everyone's showing President Trump saying, I'm very disappointed in Elon. How stupid can everybody be?

[John C. Dvorak]

In a blistering 10 post high rate on X, Elon Musk torched President Trump's signature spending plan known as the.

[Adam Curry]

That's news for you. That's ABC News.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, that is also a teaser for tip of the day. Oh, torched President Trump's signature spending plan known as the big beautiful bill, calling it a disgusting abomination. And accused lawmakers of passing a massive, outrageous pork filled bill that will massively increase the already gigantic budget deficit. The President already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill. It doesn't change the President's opinion. Musk's criticism widens a public rift with the Trump administration and its allies.

[Adam Curry]

With all due respect, my friend, Elon is terribly wrong. The bill could have a major impact.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Elon Musk's businesses. It would phase out tax credits for electric vehicles, possibly impacting the bottom line at Tesla, and it would regulate artificial intelligence. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who voted for the bill in the House last month, now says she did not realize the bill includes a 10 year federal ban on states regulating AI green posting. I am adamantly opposed to this and it is a violation of state rights and I would have voted no if I had known this was in there.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a lot here in this one minute report. First of all, Marjorie Taylor Greene is not read in and she is very afraid because Elon Musk has said, I'm going to pull out my wallet. I'm going to primary anybody who voted for this disgusting thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's no real surprise that this has happened. We've seen various tensions between the two. They tried to play happy families as Musk exited the White House last week, but he has been a staunch opponent of this. We found that out just recently on.

[Adam Curry]

Sunday actually in an interview with CBS News. Well now this though is his most.

[John C. Dvorak]

Daring tweet about this big beautiful bill, as Donald Trump calls it. Musk tweeting, I'm sorry, but I just.

[Adam Curry]

Can'T stand it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

This massive, outrageous, pork filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. You know you did wrong. You know it. Now he also doubled down on this in the hours that followed. He then tweeted in November next year, that is the midterms, we fire all politicians who betrayed the American people. Congress is making America bankrupt.

[Adam Curry]

Now the White House press secretary Caroline.

[John C. Dvorak]

Levitt was asked about this at the press briefing today. Now she said, look, the President already knows where Elon Musk stood on this bill. It doesn't change the President's opinion. This is one big boost for bill and he still sticking to it. Well, indeed, the White House is standing by that bill saying it will reduce government spending. But the man they put in charge of cutting government spending, Elon Musk, clearly disagrees.

[Adam Curry]

So this is like a triple, a triple thing that's going on here. Not for a second do I believe the bromance is over. First of all, Elon, he needs to get back to his business. He needs to show everybody that, well, you know, like I'm really not all for this. You can come back and buy my cars. That's one, two. We gotta smoke out all the traitors. We gotta smoke them out. The people who are just flip floppy, wishy washy like Marjorie Taylor Greene who apparently didn't even read the bill. That's fantastic. If I knew that was in there, I wouldn't have voted for it. What are you voting for then? Thomas Massie, Rand and, and what's the Ron Johnson? They're all like, oh yeah, no, no, this is no good. And they're even publicly saying we want Elon to fund primary challengers and it's bringing out all kinds of right wing publications, talking about these, you know, about the turncoats. So it's a, it's one, get Elon back to work. Two, smoke out the people who are not on the President's team. And three, it's guaranteed to pass. Now, no one's going to go against Elon Musk. They don't jump in with him all of a sudden. No. You can't like just turn around and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say, oh, after that fiasco in Wisconsin.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the cheesehead thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. When he put tons of money behind that judge.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's when he had the cheese head who lost. Yeah, that's when he had the cheese on his head.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you put a cheese head on. Yeah, I have one of those. Of course they fall apart after a while. I don't know what it' made out of, but because it's just one of those things that oxidizes and starts crumbling. It becomes a disaster.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So, so this is an obvious gambit. It's so clear. But everybody, oh, you know, this is about Elon's business. He doesn't like it. Because of his business. What, because he's not going to get SpaceX deals. Please. Because of the, the, the phase out of the subsidy on electric vehicles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

And it gives the M5M all kinds of reasons to speculate and yeah, we knew this, we knew this would end. It's all over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They don't even know how to break up, these boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

The President has remained uncharacteristically quiet as Elon Musk continues to attack this bill. Attack. It's obviously kind of a, I don't.

[Adam Curry]

Know if it's a tricky situation for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Both of them, but what do you make of his silence?

[Adam Curry]

This, by the way, I think, is the guy who wrote the article which he's been doing the rounds everywhere all of a sudden. Mark Caputo. Scoop, scoop. This is on axios. Scoop colon. 4 reasons Musk attacked Trump's big, beautiful bill. Here are the four reasons the legislation cuts the electric vehicle tax that helps carmakers like Musk, Tesla, which really phases out over many years. Two, Musk was working at the White House as what's called the special government employee. He discussed trying to stay beyond the 138 time limit. He's pissed about that. Three, Musk wanted the Federal Aviation Administration to use his Starlink satellite system for national air traffic control, but it's not happening. The administration balked and the final straw appeared to come Saturday night when Trump abruptly announced he was withdrawing the nomination of Jared Isaacsman, a Musk ally, to be NASA administrator. Yeah, that's the reason. And this guy is everywhere set up. Obvious. Yeah, I think it is a tricky situation for both of them. Elon Musk is the richest guy in the world. He owns the most important social media platform, no disrespect to truth social.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's very popular with a big.

[Adam Curry]

Segment of Trump's coalition, including a lot of people in Congress. And meanwhile, Trump is very popular with a lot of people like Elon Musk. It's sort of like that old expression where, you know, you ride a tiger until you have to get off and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'S when the tiger eats you.

[Adam Curry]

These guys have been sort of taking turns riding each other's fame and cults of personality and they just don't know how, you know, they don't know how to break up. And it creates real political problems for both of them. And it's kind of fascinating to watch. How does it create political problems for Elon Musk? He doesn't have a political career.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have new reporting about why, about more personal reasons why Musk may be unhappy with the President, including the White House withdrawing the nomination of a Musk ally to head NASA, the FAA balking and using the Starlink for national air traffic control and you know, maybe unhappy about tax credits for electric vehicles being cut by the bill, which is something that Speaker Johnson mentioned yesterday.

[Adam Curry]

You broke. This story was a big scoop.

[John C. Dvorak]

You also report Musk actually wanted to remain a special government employee past the legal 130 day limit. And this was after he gifted, was gifted that golden key. Donald Trump does like Elon Musk. Now he's kind of annoyed and not really happy with Musk teeing off on the legislation the way he has. And there's a whole bunch of discussion to be had about that. But in the end he respects, he respects Elon Musk. He likes Elon Musk. And that's partly informing this very rare impulse control from President Trump. The other thing I'm told by White.

[Adam Curry]

House yeah, all of a sudden President Trump has impulse compulse control. It's amazing. What could possibly be going on officials.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that Trump doesn't really want to feed this anymore. They don't want to give more oxygen to Elon Musk. These are my words, not theirs. But I can tell that there's sort of a hope that Musk will sort of punch himself out. However, as You've seen from Musk's personal, where he's had a number of nasty breakups. His breakups and the end of his relationships with people sometimes end in a rather acrimonious way. And we're seeing a little sign of that here with the president. At least one way from Musk to President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Chum is in the water and the minnows are all over it, especially on the right. It's amazing. How can people not. Do you not know Trump's algorithm by now? Have you not figured it out? It's just, it's baffling to me. And on. Right on cue in the troll room. Yeah. This is all to cover up the Palantir news. Well, I'm glad you brought that up, troll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Matthew. Yes, we have a note.

[Adam Curry]

We do. We have a boots on the ground from an insider at Palantir. I've been asked to say what was.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the Palantir news? Oh, it was just a groomer, wasn't it? Just a gossipy thing.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. Trump is going to use Palantir to create a profile of every American and then he's going to do something with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was that released as news?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I had it. I had it. Yes. Last time in the show. Notes. Hold on a second, I'll look up for you. We didn't even get to it because I knew right away, like, all right, Palantir, here we go. New York Times. Would that make sense that our very own trolls fall for that? Alex Carb here. Headline Palantir to compile data on Americans. Alex Karp, co founder, chief executive of Palantir, at a forum in Washington in April. Trump has not publicly talked about the effort, but behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to new story.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a speculative story.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's based upon what this Alex Karp said at this forum in Washington. And the Trump administration has expanded Palantir's work across the federal government in recent months. The work has received more than the company has received more than $113 million in federal government. That's bad contract, by the way. You got to be at least a bill since Mr. Trump took office, according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts as well as new contracts with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. So the push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including dhs, Health and Human Services Department. Widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Mr. Trump to easily merge information from different agencies. Imagine that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. You mean the. Like the DMV from Washington State talking to the DMV from California so they can find. You're a drunk.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So.

[Adam Curry]

So we have. We got a boots on the ground from an insider from Palantir. His credentials check out and of course he's been asked. He's asked us to keep him, his identity anonymous and his work. And his work history, which is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes, that would be a giveaway.

[Adam Curry]

I was recruited by Palantir to help stand up its AML platform that's anti money laundering platform. Platforms like this use machine learning models to confirm identity and detect suspicious transaction activity. To do this, they use mountains of data from various clearinghouses and data from other clients. Late in the interview cycle, I requested to speak with the head of product. I asked him how they sourced their seed data for machine language training. He informed me they had no data. Part of my job is to get agreements in place with tier one banks to source that data so they could begin training models based on this. I declined the job. People like Whitney Webb would have you believe Palantir is scraping all of our data for Mossad. There it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop. That's the best part of the note.

[Adam Curry]

If that were the case, Palantir would have more than enough data to train their AML models. They have exactly zero data in house. Meaning she's full of crap. What Palantir actually does is provide the platform for organization, organizations to perform machine learning, machine learning, training off their own data. This is exactly what Trump wants Palantir to do for the various executive agencies. I get the arguments why this could be bad, but there are very real reasons why the. This is a great thing. Medicaid paid Thomson Reuters $5 million for the Social Security Administration death master file data. Yes, the government paid 5 million to a Canadian company for its own data. This is only one example that I am directly familiar with, but I'm sure there are dozens. The government's data infrastructure is an ungodly mess. And if we can fix it with Palantir, it could help eliminate Social Security and tax fraud and speed up every government service. And that makes sense. That's what Doge was doing. Connecting databases, connecting data sources. I also see this as a good thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do, too.

[Adam Curry]

But. Oh, no. Yeah, this is it. This is exactly it. It's the Whitney Webb thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Whitney Webb.

[Adam Curry]

And it's not just Whitney Webb. I wasn't even planning on rolling this out this early. It is also Katherine Austin Fitz because You know how many I went back and looked. Do you know how many times we have either discussed or talked about Katherine Austin Fitz on the podcast?

[John C. Dvorak]

I do not know. But I do. Her name does ring a bell.

[Adam Curry]

It's almost close to 100 times. Yes. Go to Bingit IO. In the past 17 and a half years, it's really.

[John C. Dvorak]

She sneaks in a lot.

[Adam Curry]

She does sneak in a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we just noticed it now. No, we need Palantir.

[Adam Curry]

But she was on the Danny Jones podcast. Just. Let's just pretend we know who Danny Jones is, but he's got views. You know, we promise ourselves we do more with the alternative media. Now, the question. Because she. Well, the question is Trump is big on bitcoin. Now listen to how she answers without even mentioning bitcoin at all and what she immediately states as fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Trump has been super. This current administration, this new administration, or at least when Trump was running, he was very pro bitcoin. Trump was put in by the bankers to get the control grid. The other team in the Unipara wasn't moving fast enough. They couldn't get the control grid to get to. Wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't understand what she said. She said he was put into the bankers, blah, blah, blah. I couldn't understand what she said. What'd she say?

[Adam Curry]

As she speaks quite eloquently. I'll repeat it and I'll play it again. Trump was put in by the bankers to put in the control grid. This, by the way, she. She was in the housing administration. I think she was reasonably senior within the US government and her whole thing has been control grid. Mr. What do you call? Mr. Globalist. I don't know who that is, but they've stolen all our money. Okay, well, yeah, duh. All the money's been stolen, but it's all about the control grid. Everything. Palantir, it's all. She's. She's like the adult Whitney Webb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump was put in by the bankers to get the control grid. The other team in the Unipara wasn't moving fast enough. They. They couldn't get the control grid. I knew it. I've never. I sent you a link. We just did a new coll. Recollection of all the things Trump is doing to move the control grid. He is moving very, very fast when it comes to building.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a sec. So, yeah, Richard Johnson, troll. We didn't say Trump combining all the info the government has on Americans into a big database is a good thing. We didn't say that. When Elon Musk was connecting all the databases, everyone loved it. Think with your head, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

First, he's getting the real ID implemented very aggressively. Real. To do a control grid, you need a very high quality, precision national id.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what that little. Little star on my driver's license is. A very high quality, high precision national.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pre Trump.

[Adam Curry]

It's been going on for decades. Decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pre Trump. Interoperable with all the other ideas around the world. And he's got Kristi Noem out there pushing the real ID like there's snow tomorrow.

[Adam Curry]

I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't heard her say shit about the real idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we even played a clip of her talking about it. Yeah, we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In fact, let me make sure I'm. Real ID Gnome. Yeah, here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, I'm Christy Noem, the United States Secretary of Homeland Security. If you plan on traveling, we need your help to prevent delays and to prove your identity. Get a real ID. Starting May 7, you will need a real ID to travel by air or to visit federal buildings in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

She's definitely pushing it like no one else's business. But to me, it's just a big distraction from the obvious facial recognition that's going on at every airport. Don't need a real ID for that. They're just taking my image. Don't worry, we'll delete it. We'll delete it within 24 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Won't delete anything. Real ID implemented very aggressively. Real ID. To do a control grid, you need a very high quality, precision national ID that's interoperable with all the other IDs around the world. And he's got Kristi Noem out there pushing the real ID like there's no tomorrow.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how it's interoperable. This. This is. Is there a real ID database I'm unaware of that every single country is tapped into? No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're working, and it's. It's done through the States, but the Feds are pushing it. So the first thing you need is a digital id. The second thing you need is an digital financial system. So you got to kill cash, and you got to make everybody interact digitally. And if you look at what he's doing with taxes and Social Security, he's trying to make everybody. You know, he's canceled pennies, but he's also canceled. Now, you know, normally I pay my taxes with paper, and now he's saying, no, you got to do everything digital for it's not this year, but next Year. Really? So he's trying to. If you go through that list, I've.

[Adam Curry]

Got like, oh my gosh. I. John you and I. Do you even send a check? I still send checks to the irs. Do you send a check or do you. Do you do it online? You don't do it at all. Mimi does it. But let's just pretend we know it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

We actually have to because we had our identity stolen like a number of years ago. Yeah, we. Mimi actually has to go in. In person, in person to the IRS and hand them a check.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Well, she better bring her real id.

[John C. Dvorak]

She won't get in the office.

[Adam Curry]

But wait, she. Katherine Austin Fitz is about to bring in my favorite topic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? So he's trying to. If you go through that list, I've got like, you know, 50 different items of what he's doing. And if you.

[Adam Curry]

I would love to see the list of 50 different items of what he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would like to see. You know, she's got that nervous. That tick. Nervous tick. That voice of hers is enough to make you not believe a word she says.

[Adam Curry]

Even though she. He's very smart. She sees a lot of things correctly. But this, you know, like Trump was brought in by the bankers to get the control grid in place. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? So he's trying to. If you go through that list, I've got like, you know, 50 different items of what he's doing. And if you look at what they're doing with the Genius act and stablecoin. He said no CBDCs.

[Adam Curry]

But my favorite topic, the genius act and stablecoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, stablecoin. So I don't know if you've read the Genius act, which is the new plan for stable coins. Okay. A CBDC is issued, would be issued by the Federal Reserve. So presumably the New York Fed and the Fed member banks, okay. Now they are owned by their members. So Citibank, JP Morgan Chase, they own. As members, they own the New York Fed and you know, basically govern it. Okay. And. And the New York Fed is the depository for the treasury. And. And the different banks work as agent to do those transactions. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the Genius act, what they're saying is the guys who own the New York Fed are all going to create subsidiaries and issue stablecoin which will be interoperable and can work with a. A social credit system.

[Adam Curry]

So she just throws that out there. It'll interop with a social credit system which I guess is being built by Palantir based upon all of the information and your Real id. Yeah. You know, you're making that up. This last, last clip, which is short, she actually explains perfectly what the stablecoin gambit is. And she has this so Right. But to me, it completely detracts from her whole conspiracy mind because if she'd answered the question, which is about Bitcoin, which never comes up again, that's the antithesis of a stablecoin. But okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they're planning to do on stablecoin, which I have to say is a financial matter, is quite clever. Remember the pallets of cash you sent to Iraq?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. This is going to be the digital equivalent of the pallets of cash into.

[Adam Curry]

Iraq because see this? It doesn't even make sense. So the pallets of cash sent to Iraq, Stablecoin is going to be the digital equivalent of that. Oh, because it's so anonymous. Because we don't know who holds that pallets of cash. We don't know exactly whose pocket that's in. But for some unknown reason now the stablecoin is going to be just like anonymous cash, which of course she said it's not going to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay. This is going to be the digital equivalent of the pallets of cash into Iraq because what they want to do with stable coins. So a stable coin is just a bank deposit or a Treasury bill or bond. So it's fully collateralized by a dollar. You put a dollar in. And. And these stable coins are going to. I mean, you have some stable coins that do gold or other things, but.

[Adam Curry]

These are going to be gold or other things. Bitcoin will also be. Is already backing stablecoin, but let's just gloss over that dollar.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is going to create a huge market for the treasury bills and bonds.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And you're gonna. So you're gonna. The bank subsidiaries will create the stable coins. So it'll be fully collateralized in treasury bonds or bills, but then you can send them out on Google payment and Apple payment and all the wallets around the world. And literally you can get people from Bolivia to South Korea coming into your state and using stablecoins.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're literally going to tend for the global population, try and get everybody off of their local currency and stable coins. And you're going to pump out massive amounts of private credit to make it really attractive. So you're just going to hand out money and get everybody on the dollar.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, exactly. Is that a bad thing? It's being the world reserve currency without being the world reserve currency. I know. It's a Big concept for people, but this whole idea of control grid, but then all of a sudden it's like pallets of cash. No, no, no, no, no, no. This Stablecoin thing has got real legs and it's, I think it's, it is genius. And there's already 400 million people in the world who use stablecoin, almost none of them in the United States. Because you can use your Venmo, you can use your PayPal, you can use all that. It's not intended for us, but. Okay, so just, it's like, calm down everybody. The control grid. Palantir, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk. Oh, no. What are we going to do? As if the control grid wasn't already here. On your phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

The phone in the drawer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You are the only one they can't find. Where's this Dvorak character? We can find family members all over the country from South Dakota to Washington, but we can't find the kingpin. Where is he? No. So calm down everybody. The best thing about the big beautiful bill is the extension of the tax cuts. And you want that, you want that. And what is it going to add? It's going to potentially add $270 billion a year to our already out of control deficit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's debatable if it's that much.

[Adam Curry]

Or if it's more than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's that much. But it's debatable whether we really add to it or not.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, the whole idea is we're going to outgrow the deficit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to get a lot of cash, which I think. Doesn't that directly impact the deficit? If we get a lot of cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

We get a lot of tariff money. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Tariff money, yeah. Well, also with the stablecoin, the way I understand it, you can get the stablecoin at par to the dollar. One for one, if you deal with us. If you don't deal with us, you get it for 95 cents. I mean, this is all. This has Trump's fingerprints all over it. He is much more of a meta guy than people. He just comes across as a doofus and I think he's, I think he's got it, he's got it by the right end this time. If not, well, whatever. We'll have another guy in three years. We'll see what happens then. But, but this, all of this stuff that's going on, it's sending our people, our people into a tizzy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our people have been in a tizzy for a while.

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to calm them down. It's going to be okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's out of control.

[Adam Curry]

And, and you always have.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't fight it.

[Adam Curry]

You can't. I want to fight it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're spending too much time fighting it.

[Adam Curry]

You want to hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spend more time mocking it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't want to mock our own people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I don't think that's necessary. I am here to help spin. Oh, to help spin down my people. I'm sorry. Have to do this.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the tone a clip from the View will be played. Shelter in place. Elon Musk basically could tank Donald Trump's entire legislative agenda. This big, beautiful bill, it has energy, it has border security, it has extending his tax cuts in it. If Republicans decide, ooh, we don't want to get on the wrong side of Elon. That is what Donald Trump is banking it all on. And that's kind of devastating for his administration. On the flip side, those Republicans, if you're in a House district, you're like, I'm afraid of Donald Trump. But Elon Musk, because of the dark money system we live in, he can come in and primary you by just pouring millions and millions into your race.

[Adam Curry]

And we know it doesn't matter necessarily work because we just saw. Thank you for reminding us, we saw that in Wisconsin. So what are you talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Then he can come in. The opposite effect. As a matter of fact, I believe, I would say, I believe it had. I believe they got wind of it and it had the opposite effect of the desired effect. Primary you by just pouring millions and millions into your race. Then there is that, that, you know, if one was going to think, you know, oh, maybe this happened, you know, Elon knows the 411 on everything. Yeah, he got all that information. He knows.

[Adam Curry]

He's literally sitting at Twitter looking at everybody's information. Yeah, I see what you're doing. I see what you say.

[John C. Dvorak]

411 on everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, the 41 1, baby. That's how all the kids are talking. 10 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she better guard her six. Oh, maybe this happened. You know, Elon knows the 411 on everything. Yeah, he got all that information.

[Adam Curry]

I think you can, you can say that's like, you can turn like a code switch. Like, Elon knows the 411. Everything. Everything this happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, Elon knows the 411 on everything.

[Adam Curry]

Everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he got all that information. He knows how all this came down.

[Adam Curry]

Damn. Damn.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now, harrumph, harrumph. So Trump should be afraid of him, because I think Trump is. He has seats on the election.

[Adam Curry]

Election.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he is. Well, $20 million he spent alone in that Wisconsin Supreme Court race. So imagine he would just need to peel off a handful of Republicans that cycle. Like the entire balance of power in the House of Representatives could stand on if Elon Musk actually follows through. In primaries, people who vote, but in the votes to peel off are there because the party is divided on what it wants. But hasn't this damaged Elon Musk reputation, Business reputation like Tesla's. You can't even see sell them anymore. You can't even get rid of them. People aren't buying them. They're burning them.

[Adam Curry]

They're burning them. Did you hear? They're burning them. They're burning them. Yes, they're burning them. I'll tell you something else. It dawned on me was not hard because it kept hitting me in the face like a wet salmon. There will be no peace in Ukraine until after the big NATO summit. Because it is so obvious now, and I would say that President Trump and President Putin are both in this.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, do you get hit in the face by a wet salmon? A lot.

[Adam Curry]

Have you ever. Hey, I grew up in Holland, man. I think it's a Dutch expression, actually. I think that's where it comes from. But thanks for interrupting my flow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, but it's just. You got me jammed with that one. It's just like when you get hit in the face with a wet salmon. What never happened to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you've never lived in Holland. I think that President Trump, President Putin, they are definitely playing together. And everyone's jumping in on it. The Germans, the Brits. The Brits. Oh, hold on a second. I gotta. I gotta play this from the. From the Brits first. Listen. Listen to Keir Starmer.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a plan to reverse decades of post Cold War British military decline and to send a message to Moscow after its invasion of Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Said, we are moving to war fighting readiness when we are being directly threatened by states with advanced military forces. The most effective way to deter them is to be ready. And we got to spend some money, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

The UK will boost both stockpiles and.

[Adam Curry]

Weapons production capacity that could be scaled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up if needed, with at least six new munitions factories.

[Adam Curry]

The plan includes building 12 new attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Submarines and investing more in Britain's nuclear arsenal. We are investing 15 billion pounds in our sovereign warhead program to secure our.

[Adam Curry]

Deterrent for decades to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also a message to Washington like Other NATO members. The UK has been reassessing its defence spending since Donald Trump returned to the White House, threatening to pull away from Europe's defence.

[Adam Curry]

Everything we do will add to the strength of NATO as we step up to take greater responsibility for our collective defence. The NATO alliance means something profound that we will never fight alone. The new announcements come after the UK.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pledged to raise defence spending to hit 2.5% of GDP by 27 and 3% before 2034. But it's unclear where the money will.

[Adam Curry]

Come from for the latter target. As he juggles severely strained public finances.

[John C. Dvorak]

Starmer has portrayed the higher defence spending as a way to create jobs and has already contentiously cut international aid.

[Adam Curry]

Aid spending. General Smedley Butler said it best. War is a racket and I think in this case, except for the poor Ukrainians, we are going to be raising everybody's GDP by creating more war machines. And it's going to be particularly good for the United States because we have helped and facilitated the fear that Russia is going to take over everything. And there is Putin's the big bad boogeyman and we need to have more money. And nothing proves it better than the ministers of defense all getting together in Brussels talking about the new budgets. And led as always, by the interestingly nose touching, sniffing Mark Rutte. NATO defence ministers are meeting in Brussels to lay the grounds for the summit in the Hague and also take key decisions to enhance our deterrence and defense. We will also address our continued support for Ukraine and the urgent need for peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

The world.

[Adam Curry]

How do we get peace? Is becoming more dangerous. It's dangerous. There's Russia's brutal war against Ukraine, the threat of terrorism and intense global competition. We will continue to protect our people and our way of life. Now there's a bid coming, so we must make NATO a stronger, fairer and more lethal alliance. At this ministerial, we are going to take a huge leap forward. We will strengthen our deterrence and defence by agreeing ambitious new capability targets. Oh, new capability targets. What does that mean? To deliver on our new targets, it's clear that we will need significantly higher defense spending. That underpins everything. Yes, More defense spending. Because if we defend it, we will be better than the Romans. NATO is the most powerful defense alliance in world history. Yes. Even more powerful than the Roman Empire. Power. So. And more powerful than Napoleon Empire. The most powerful defense alliance in world. In world history. Foam finger number one. But the defense alliance needs maintenance and needs investments. Needs maintenance. If you want to be strong, you need to maintain it. And that's exactly. Why in NATO we have this whole system, the NATO defense planning process, leading to an agreement on the capability, target, capability. That means that we will have exactly, exactly, exact clarity on where are we and where should we be. We want to be able to defend ourselves not only today, but also in three, five, seven years. Listen to the German chief of defense who said this week on the record that within four or five years the Russians might be able to attack us. Four or five years. They come to attack us. The Russians are coming. Well, I and all my colleagues want to prevent that because we want to stay free. We value our way of life and we don't want any form of Russian dominance over NATO, Turkey. Okay? So we need to spend. So all the ministers are together, they're all talking about it, and they're trying to, trying to put that 5% together with some fuzzy numbers. And this is very suspicious. What's going on now.

[John C. Dvorak]

The US the Trump administration has been.

[Adam Curry]

Demanding a 5% target that's way up from the existing 2%. Mark Ruta has figured out a way.

[John C. Dvorak]

To kind of fudge that.

[Adam Curry]

His proposal on the table is that that would be a 3.5% target for hard military spending.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tanks, ammunition, this type of stuff, and.

[Adam Curry]

Then an additional 1.5% on military adjacent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spending, which would be things like, it.

[Adam Curry]

Could be cybersecurity, it could be investing.

[John C. Dvorak]

In domestic infrastructure to make sure bridges are able to withstand the weight of tanks.

[Adam Curry]

This has been greeted cautiously, let's say.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the U.S. administration. And it could be that Trump shows.

[Adam Curry]

Up to that NATO summit at the end of the month and says, no, we need 5% hard spending. Yeah, we definitely do. And Pete Hegseth was very clear about it because he's also in Brussels.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very good to be here with Ambassador Whitaker. I thought his remarks, statements, everything. Yes. Yesterday were spot on. So thank you for representing the United States. And I don't think anybody has done more to advance the cause of strengthening NATO than President Trump. And he started it in his first term calling for 2%, calling for investment in this alliance. You got to be. To be an alliance, you got to be more than flags, you got to be formations, you got to be more than conferences. You need to be combat ready capabilities.

[Adam Curry]

He didn't quite have all the alliteration down, but he finally got there.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're here to continue the work that President Trump started, which is a commitment to 5% defense spending across this alliance, which we think will happen, which we think has to happen by the summit at the Hague later this month. So that's our focus. 5% combat, credible and capable forces. And then making sure NATO is focused on its core mission, continental defense, where its comparative advantage exists. So we look forward to talking to counterparts today and an advanced, advancing American interests, but also the interests of the continent.

[Adam Curry]

5%. That's just it. 5%. And where is that going? To us. And Putin then gets to do his thing. And Russia, well, you know, they're ramping up over there. We need some more money. Everyone's doing it. You know, we just have to make sure no one goes crazy and pushes a button. But that behooves no one. So to me, no peace until after the big splash in the Hague. And then, miraculously, we won't have a. We might have. What do they have? A north armistice. Well, we'll do something like that. Won't have an actual. An actual peace agreement. I don't think this has always been about money. It always is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The joke is tanks.

[Adam Curry]

I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bridge the calendar.

[Adam Curry]

You know, on the drones, I got a really interesting short clips from the war room podcast. This is not Banyan. It's not Banyan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before you say that, I want to mention a meme that's been floating around, which is. It says American aircraft carrier shows an aircraft carrier. Big giant thing, one of the big ones. Then it says French aircraft carrier shows it. Well, the French aircraft. This is Chinese. It shows a Chinese one. Then it says Ukrainian aircraft carrier. And it shows a big rig, just a truck. Well, a lot cheaper.

[Adam Curry]

There's so many questions around that drone attack. I love the aerial footage that is circulating, which seems to be drone footage going over the destroyed bombers. Some of them have five engines, some have three. You know, it's so obvious. Yeah, it's AI. There's AI video floating. Who knows what's even real anymore. We can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know. But this completely explains the. The drones over New Jersey. And it's very interesting to learn from this. Lieutenant Lushchenko, now, Lieutenant Lushenko, he is with the JCO. Hold on a second. I have him. U.S. army lieutenant colonel serves as the chief strategist and director of future studies and war gaming for the Joint Counter Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems Office known as the jco. So he's propagandist, obviously, but he's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is different to think about homeland defense versus force protection of soldiers and coalition forces abroad. In a recent exercise, what we found was that we are just out of position, frankly, in the homeland in terms of the Kit in terms of training and in terms of policies and authorities. Things as simple as how do we communicate across the interagency with the faa, the Federal Aviation Administration, how do we share information? What does it mean to coordinate high end jamming capabilities like counter precision navigation and timing. You don't want to shut down a commercial aircraft because you're trying to take down a compound drone. The other thing, Tom, is that we lack, and this is clearly stated, admitted by our senior leaders to include the Northern Command commander, General Giho, and the Vice Chief of Staff in the Army. We lack the ability to identify friend or foe at installations. Domain awareness is a huge challenge for us.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, yeah. Of course. We can't have Gene Naftuli flying his drones around and not knowing if it's a Russian. Oh wait, he is a Russian. And they're killer drones too. And we sell them as relates to friendly forces.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we've had some, you know, marginal success, although we still lack kit, especially in the homeland, as it relates.

[Adam Curry]

To defeat of these capabilities.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the Jaco, through its demonstrations.

[Adam Curry]

Portfolio, we actually have no demonstration portfolio. Is that the sales brochure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Loves talking like this.

[Adam Curry]

I love this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Through its demonstration portfolio, we actually have no authority to purchase anything. We're influencing industry and joint force partners to buy stuff on our behalf. But through that sort of process, we have encouraged the fielding of FS lids, fixed site, low slow, small unmanned aircraft system interceptor, and that has sort of a KU band radar coupled with a small form factor, less costly missile called the Coyote that has proliferated across central command based upon the threat there. And indeed, President Trump, during his recent trip to the Middle east agreed upon selling 15 or so of these capabilities to Qatar.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds a lot like the drones that were used in Russia, honestly. Autonomous, they got lidar, they got little bombs on them. Perfect. And lasers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta ask, are we having success with lasers on UAS's? I hadn't heard that. And it's, it's sounds awfully Star wars ish, so. That's right. I think we're in the beta testing phase at this point. Right. And so what I've seen from the initial reports from CENTCOM is we need to do a lot more work as it relates to that. But at this point we're really not wasting time and moving out quickly and smartly in concert with the Defense Innovation Unit on this. In fact, there is a forthcoming executive order, or so I'm told, from the Trump administration, which is to energize the industrial base in the United States to increase investment not just for homeland defense, but also force protection in terms of these capabilities.

[Adam Curry]

Money, money, money. Yes, force protection. And, and by the way, we've done the beta testing. It's also called war gaming.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we recently ran the largest scale tabletop exercise for five years.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, drone operators. You will not be happy with what this guy is about to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

The JCO that brought together 30 agencies as well as the White House, specifically the national and Homeland security councils, over 100 participants and the core objective that we pursued was trying to understand how the JCO could best enable U.S. northern Command to protect the homeland. From that, we came up with a series of five implementation decisions that we had briefed up through the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, General Mingus, who provides our governance at the joint force level. Those things consist of recommendations for better coordination with the FAA for again, jammy capabilities. How do we coordinate in terms of sharing information and intelligence with our partners. Optimizing the National Guard Bureau, as we've talked about, and then further is shifting the legislation to have point of sale registration for small drones in homelands. We can quickly identify friend from foe. A veritable license, if you will, for a small drone.

[Adam Curry]

What he just said you'll need a license, a special license for a small drone. I'm sure you will need your real ID to purchase it. And you're going into Palantir.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so these things are really, really important because we have shifted the conversation on policy that they're getting codified in executive orders and indeed representatives are now talking about things like how do we define an aircraft? Right now the law makes no distinction between a man and unmanned aircraft. And soldiers are held liable for taking down a drone as if they took down a commercial airliner. So that's the level that JCO is operating at.

[Adam Curry]

Dude, dude, we are a war manufacturing country. There's just no two ways about it. And the more I think about this, and although I agreed with you on your initial reaction to initial response on the last episode, I think the Golden Dome will be significantly different from the Iron Dome. The Iron Dome is a dome that keeps out, you know, long range and, you know, medium range missiles, nuclear stuff, whatever from Russia in the Golden Dome. That'll be like a thing that's internal. I think it's going to be protecting us from drones and stuff on the inside. This drone attack on Russia was no mistake. It was, it was a sales pitch. It was a capabilities demonstration. The tabletop exercise. I don't know what you want to call it. But this was meant to show us something. That asymmetric warfare is here upon us and we need money to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. The long presentation you just gave us.

[Adam Curry]

I did not. The presentation was like four minutes of those clips. But. Okay, over to you, Bob.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an hour into the show. What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

I've given you. I would talk about four different topics. I've been. I've kept long pauses for you to jump in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing to jump in on. I didn't find it. For one thing. The initial topic, which I've long since forgotten.

[Adam Curry]

Let's play some TikTok videos. That'll make you feel better.

[John C. Dvorak]

The first topic, which I've long since forgotten. I can't remember. You have to. I've said that as a cue to remind me what you was. What was the. Oh, yeah, it was. No, I lost it again.

[Adam Curry]

It was Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Elon Musk. I didn't think that was interesting and I'll tell you why. Because, you know, like you said right at the beginning, your whole thesis was the whole thing's a phony deal.

[Adam Curry]

You are disconnected from the world, my friend. People are flipping out over this thing. It is top of the news. It is what everyone is talking about, particularly our own people. So you may not find it interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Texas now. Sure. Not mentioned. It's not even brought up in the local news around here. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Well.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I did. I will say Fox plays it up. I don't even watch the show. I watched the whole thing this morning, the whole press conference with Trump. And I kind of agree that there's something's phony about it because Trump does say he said the one comment which he didn't have a clip of, which is Elon knew more about the big beautiful Bill than anybody here in the room.

[Adam Curry]

Where's your clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't. What? I didn't think it was. Where's my clip? It's where it belongs. I didn't find it interesting enough to carry any clips for it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm all ears, but I'm backing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your clips up by telling you some stuff that you didn't get clipped, which is that. That. That. Which kind of. To back your point up, your point is that this thing is fake.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But no one besides you. And I see that, trust me.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so. Well, I saw. Thought it was so fake that I didn't even bother with it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I will say that Trump said that Elon knew. And why did he say that? I don't know. And thus it was something just to tell people that, hey, don't worry about it. The other thing is he says, I don't know if we're going to be friends anymore. But he said that not in the way he normally takes on these guys. When a gu turns on him, he usually calls him an idiot or something. He gives him some acronym and he, or gives him some nasty, nasty nasties. Him, he didn't do that at all.

[Adam Curry]

So the second part of my presentation came from our very own people, which was the Palantir thing, which you hadn't even heard of. And that's also, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I knew that. No, I had heard of something because I got the same note you did about the guy from Palantir talking about how the whole thing is exaggerated and a crock of shit. Thus I didn't carry any, any clips for it because I just took his word for it because it was very credible.

[Adam Curry]

All I'm doing is defending my so called presentation of you saying it was boring and no good. And I took up all this time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I never said, I never said it was boring and no good. Those are, you can't find those words in my comment. I just thought it was, it was long.

[Adam Curry]

I'm waiting for you to launch into something. I'm all ears.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the topics are so disparate. Consider you kept it into the. This I, I, my stuff is so different good that I, I, it's hard to jump into. I mean, I could do, I'll play, I'll play one lone clip that's got nothing to do with anything else. But I think it's the most important clip I have which has nothing to do with any of this stuff we talked about or anything else we're going to talk about. But I think this is phenomenal. This is the Trump versus Columbia wow clip. The Trump administration is taking action against Columbia University saying the school violated Title VI of the Civil Rights act and therefore no longer meets the standards of the organization that accredits the university. A press release from the Education Department says that its Office for Civil Rights and the Department of Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights determined that Columbia University acted with deliberate indifference towards the harassment of Jewish students since October 7, 2023. The Trump administration said today it has notified the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, the school's accreditor.

[Adam Curry]

So what does that mean? They're going to be discredited as, as a, as a scholastic institution?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is no slouch of an idea. And this has to do with Harvard. Trump went after Harvard by first going after their money. They got sued. Then they went after Harvard by taking away all their foreign students. They got 26% foreign students to pay full tilt to get into the place. You know, they're getting sued over that. Now the real DiSalvo, the one that the shot over the bow, is accreditation.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the biggest possible thing, threat you can make to a university. You lose accreditation, you might as well just close your shop.

[Adam Curry]

Who, who, who hands out the credit accreditations.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a couple of groups that do it. There's one in particular which I think they're talking to. I don't know the name of it offhand, but if you don't have accreditation as a university, you might as well close the doors. So what that means that if I go to Cal and get, you know, take English there and I transfer over to someplace else is no good and Cal's not accredited? No. You got to start from scratch.

[Adam Curry]

A no agenda PhD will be worth more.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, yes, the. No. This is telling us that the no agenda PhD is going to be worth as much as a Columbia degree if they lose their accreditation.

[Adam Curry]

What does he want from them? I'm sure he. That he wants something.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wants them to. He wants them. I think that I. Not. Now that you asked a simple question, I'm not absolutely sure anymore.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, if it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they want these.

[Adam Curry]

The endowments. If it's the endowments, I get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think the idea of taxing is a good one. I also think there is the notion that I've pushed on this show, which is that all these colleges and universities do is crank out Democrat voters and they're just kind of designed to do that and nothing else. I think there may be something there. I don't know, but this is a big deal. I'm sure there's meetings going on as we speak. People that normally would be listening to the show, they're meeting about this. This has got to be freaking everybody out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's interesting because I got a note this morning from the constitutional lawyer and this may play into it. The Supreme Court. This is from Law 360 justices. Nick's higher hurdle for heterosexual bias claims. What Supreme Court. Nick's higher hurdle for heterosexual bias claims. So I think this plays into it. Maybe this is about Title 7 and it was a heterosexual woman who claimed that the Ohio Youth Services Department discriminated against her because she is not lgbtq.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the six Circuited rule that heterosexuals must produce additional evidence demonstrating extra background circumstances in order to establish this prima facie case. And LGBTQ employees did not bear this burden. So SCOTUS unanimously rejected the six course rationale, which means this not just for sexual orientation. This will mean that basically reverse racism is real and you can't do it. That's, that's what this decision is saying. And I think this plays into a lot of these universities because they are, they're, they. All they do is reverse racism. Which is racism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is racism. Yeah. The term is bad. It's a bad term.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But people at least understand it. And so a lot of this plays into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. It's a question that we should try to figure out because this is this, this battle that between the Trump administration and these big Ivy League colleges in particular.

[Adam Curry]

Well, first of all, the, the, the tuition fees are outrageous because of the basically free government money which puts everybody into jail. Into a debt jail. Debtors jail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which you can't get out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. That way.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Even with bankruptcy, when they didn't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

The free money, they, they, these tuitions were reasonable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And, and they have money through these large tax free endowments which are tax free to use them and tax free to donate to them, or they create a tax advantage to donate to them, especially if you can use that money for your own good. On the, on the back end. Yeah, the endowments for this. So that would be a pro for the American people and maybe they'll improve their education.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, that's remains.

[Adam Curry]

What are your Harvard clips?

[John C. Dvorak]

Do I have Harvard clips?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got two. I thought you were leading right into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm leading right into the Harvard clips, but this is really not that connected. This is just a follow up on Trump versus Harvard, which I still think is the real target here. Topic that has driven headlines for the last two months, Trump versus Harvard University. The bout began in late March when a federal antisemitism task force said it would investigate Harvard's administrative and academic policies. Trump led off his attack with accusations of the school not doing enough to combat anti Semitism on campus, but also for continuing diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI policies in its admissions curriculum and hiring. He also alleged that Harvard is too left wing and no longer prioritizes merit in higher education to the same degree it did in the past. Trump followed up the barrage with a list of demands. Those included a ban on masks, limits to campus protests, and a review of any potential biases in various academic departments. The president also froze all federal funding to the university until his demands are met. Harvard retaliated in April by saying it would not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights. University has sued the Trump administration. Unfreeze the billions in federal grant money that it could inevitably lose. Harvard has argued that Trump is impeding its ability to conduct research important for the entire country, including medical breakthroughs and scientific discoveries. Trump countered in May by directing the Department of Homeland Security, or dhs, to shut down Harvard's foreign student enrollment indefinitely. DHS alleged Harvard was coordinating with the Chinese Communist Party.

[Adam Curry]

What news outlet is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ugh, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it does make it a little.

[Adam Curry]

More exciting, at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you see the four. It's possible, after listening to this Columbia clip, that Harvard's being set up. Hmm. Because Harvard keeps deflecting. No, no, no. You're taking money away from medical research. They got plenty of money. You're taking a money. You know, $400 million is nothing to Harvard.

[Adam Curry]

Nope, hold on a second. Sorry. Four hundred. Yeah, you dropped out. $400 million is nothing to Harvard.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, $400 million is nothing to harvard. When they have $50 billion sitting in the endowment and they can get money from. And the money is research for drug companies that can easily spend that. I mean, we had a list of the. Recently, I think we mentioned on the show, you know, these. I think Pfizer. Not Pfizer, but all the big boys, Johnson and Johnson being at the top of the list. I think they did 18 billion in profits in one year. And so. And all these companies are in the billions and billions. So the 400 million in research for something or other that's going to benefit a drug company can be picked up by the drug companies. Why are we, the taxpayers, picking it up? We're not getting. Benefited from it. I mean, we're getting. It's kind of a benefit, but it's the drug companies that make the money off of it. So what's the point? I think they're maybe setting them up because if they're going to not do anything about the Jewish issue, they can pull the plug on their. It's. Yeah, that would be the Big deal is part two. Most recently, though, the school defended its foreign enrollment, saying, quote, Harvard is not Harvard without its international students, end quote. This has played out in court, as Sam indicated, with a judge this week, extending a temporary block on DHS from preventing Harvard's enrollment of foreign students. And the government has also given the school 30 days to respond to the Homeland Security Department's actions. In terms of answering Trump's demands, Harvard has established task forces to investigate both anti Semitic and anti Islamic activities, while also suggesting they would at least try to diversify political opinion on campus. But will it end dei, ban masks and submit to immigration authorities? Unlikely. Nonetheless, the federal funds are still frozen, and Harvard is not happy about that. Well, just use your tens of billions of dollars in endowments, Trump says. Harvard fired back, saying it is relying on all the interest that comes from those endowments being invested to fund the university. As a business mogul, Trump knows that principle.

[Adam Curry]

Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

And that really gets down to the question, does Trump have the right to do this with federal funds? Is it constitutional to punish a school or its students for their free speech? Even if the president doesn't agree with that speech, Trump's alleging that basically taxpayer money is funding DEI and left wing thinking at one of the country's most elite universities. On the other hand, Harvard is saying it has a constitutional right and needs the funding for critical research.

[Adam Curry]

Critical research. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those clips. You're right, the guy's a boring presenter.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. If you want President Trump, the administration has taken away more money from the medical community and it brought out the, it brought out the spokesholes who are usually doctors to say that he's crazy interested.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Just checking. In other vaccine news, the Trump administration has canceled the US Government's contract with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Moderna to develop a vaccine for bird flu.

[Adam Curry]

The strain of the avian flu arrived in the US in 2022 and it's led to the deaths of over 170 million million birds, resulting in a nationwide spike in egg prices. Get ready because Dr. Vin Gupta is going to tell you why it's nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last year, eggs thing again.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, it gets better. Oh, no, eggs. That's just the beginning. Flu infected more than 1,000 herds of cattle, as well as 70 people. Although this strain is not yet highly contagious for humans, infectious disease experts worry the next pandemic could indeed come from an avian flu. So, Dr. Gupta, we have seen this administration slash funding for so much in the way of research and development, including people thought was very promising HIV treatments, vaccines there, and now this avian flu. Give us your sense on this one. Because as just we just said, there are experts who think the next big terrible pandemic might come from exactly this big terrible pandemic is, is the, I guess that's the counterweight to the big beautiful bill. We've got to throw something out there. Next big terrible pandemic might come from exactly this. What's the point here? Why are they doing this? Why. Why are they doing it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not sure if this is even.

[John C. Dvorak]

Consistent with President Trump's view of wise investments in biomedical research. Remember Operation Warp Speed, probably his signature achievement.

[Adam Curry]

Don't you love that? Like, that, like, having a Moderna contract is a wise investment in medical research. Research. And like, really, during the COVID pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And in his first term. So this is, this is. I wonder how much he's clued into.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly what's happening here, because this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scammed Trump twice. I'm sorry, I don't think he scammed Trump twice. He was scammed Operation Warp Speed. You know, the joke of that, of course, is that he, you know, he, he buys into the whole thing, lets them go off on their merry way with government money, and then they hold back until after the election, gave it to Biden. So make sure Biden gets in. That's. That's a thank you very much. And in his first term. So this is, this is. I wonder how much he's clued into.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly what's happening here, because this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a stuff even from his as prior precedence. This doesn't really make any sense. And so for all your viewers out there, to keep in mind, what's happening is there's a promising phase one, phase two early stage vaccine candidate for avian flu and bird flu that is changing exactly as you point out, Jonathan, right before our eyes, it went from birds to cattle to mountain lions.

[Adam Curry]

This thing is changing. It went from birds to cattle to mountain lions. Humans are next. What. What happened to the bats and the pangolins?

[John C. Dvorak]

Changing exactly. As you point out, Jonathan, right before our eyes, it went from birds to cattle to mountain lions. I mean, this thing is changing at a speed we haven't seen before. And so. Yes, exactly. We are worried that the next pandemic, it's not a matter of if, but when. And it's likely going to be flu that's changing.

[Adam Curry]

Flu that's changing. Hmm. I'm telling you this, by the way. President Trump is truthing. He's truthing as we speak. As we speak here. Two truths. The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. Elon was wearing thin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted. He knew that for months, and I knew I was gonna do it, and he just went crazy. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, back to the bird flu.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I have to bring back a bird. This is a reminiscence. But this is. By now, I have a bunch of clips from Thomas Massie. He was online.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. He's also. He's mad. He mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was on the. This guy's show, this Brit. I got wms. It's. I can't remember what the wms.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's the guy. Is it William or Bill or something. Something Ms. I have to go look him up. It's not a piece of notepad, but this guy's got a podcast. We're supposed to do more podcasting stuff. And we're doing it.

[Adam Curry]

We are.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Massie has a story about the. About the COVID vaccine, which I don't know if we've heard in these words so much because he did an investigation, he had a committee on it, about how it got its authorizations and all the rest of it. And I think it's good to follow that bird flu clip with this.

[Adam Curry]

If the tariffs increase, the prices, they're going to be annoyed by that. But I think the ideas behind tariffs, which even Trump would probably agree with, it's not going to be an easy start. But eventually you want to get to.

[John C. Dvorak]

A place where people have more money because the industries are back in America. But what if. What if we're not good at making socks? What if. What if we're. What clip are you playing?

[Adam Curry]

Massey on W. Well, it says WMS Massey and it says on socks. I mean, I don't know what you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have Massey Covid.

[Adam Curry]

I was looking at wms. That was the clue you gave me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It says WMS on that clip, too. The WMS at the end of my clips.

[Adam Curry]

I got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you must know this. At the end of the clip, I put a code that tells me where the clip came from.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So like BBC or I put ntd.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I'll tell you exactly how this happened. You have two clips, Massey on committees. Massey is all uppercase, which to me means important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then, no, it's never been true.

[Adam Curry]

And then underneath that. So that. So when my eye goes down the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I understand how it happens. It's a long list. These clips. Lists are long. And people don't understand what a mess this, you know, the back end of the show is.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised you spelled Massey right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now this is True, too.

[Adam Curry]

Let me play the right clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, wait, before you do that. Well, the Sox clip is interesting, but it's not.

[Adam Curry]

Got nothing to do with COVID I see. It's literally. It's. It's my parsing of the list. It is. It is all on me. That's on me, bro. My bad. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Here we go with you bad. And this is. This is a discussion. This is. I. I don't know. Have we. After you play this clip, tell me if we know we knew this.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, something good happened this week, actually, and I think it's because of RFK Jr being head of the Health and Human Services under the Biden administration, the scientists, the vaccine scientists at the FDA were pressured to skip steps, ignore data. Skip the step where a review panel, outside review panel reviews their authorization. Emergency authorization. Yeah. This was for the. So they needed to go from emergency use to a full licensure in order to mandate the vaccine. And so the scientists were told that they needed to take the political position and to accelerate the full approval process, not just the eua. And the scientists were also told, you need to do an EUA for the boosters. And the scientists pressed back and said, we need more time to give it the full licensure, and we don't think everybody needs a booster. Those were the. That was the top vaccine scientist, Marion Gruber, at FDA and. And her deputy, Philip Krause. They were forced out of the FDA under the Biden administration and left mysteriously under a cloud. Didn't say a lot. I brought them in. I was chairman of a subcommittee on regulatory reform. I brought them in, each for five hours, deposed them, found out that their boss, Peter Marks, was the bad guy, because after he pushed them out, he took their job responsibilities himself and approved the vaccine. He wasn't even a vaccine scientist. He was like their manager. And instead of replacing them, he took their job and just got it done. And he left the FDA this week. And by the way, after deposing them, I held a hearing and called one of them as a witness and some other people as witnesses and exposed what had happened. And I was frustrated that this man, Peter Marshall Marks, was still at the fda, but now he's gone this week.

[Adam Curry]

Was he at the FDA or the cdc? I thought it was. Maybe it was fda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did we know that story?

[Adam Curry]

Not like that. I do recall. I do recall Peter Marks all of a sudden moving to the forefront. But no, man, there's so much that happened back then.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all scammish.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and it's still going on with this bird flu nonsense. Well, and what, the clip you just played?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean if that doesn't sound like another setup for just wasting taxpayers money and then suckering people into getting a shot that they don't need. Yeah, I don't know what is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a lot of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't they take this? Why has there been nothing done? There's a big backlash going on about the fact that Kennedy has not pulled the, the COVID MRNA shots off the market.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, here is Jen Psaki.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it turns out running a vast science based healthcare bureaucracy is a lot harder than being eccentric Nepo baby who feeds conspiracy theories to get attention.

[Adam Curry]

Eccentric baby, Nepo baby. I thought that was pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's done too, by the way. You know her ratings are off of, she took over Rachel Sloth and she, her numbers are down 47%. They're going to get rid of her.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they've, they've rolled out their new lineup, actually the new lineup and she, she's already been reduced to four days a week. Here is the promo for the briefing. MSNBC's Jen Psaki, host of the Briefing.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've never experienced a moment like this in our country and it leaves us all with a choice.

[Adam Curry]

Are we going to speak out or are we going to be pressured into silence? I've worked for presidents, I've faced the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tough questions from the press and even threats from the Kremlin. And if there's one thing I've learned is that you can't cower to bullies. You don't need to be hopeless. We have our voices and I will continue using mine.

[Adam Curry]

The briefing with Jen Psaki Tuesday through Friday at 9pm Eastern on MSNBC. They're promoting her, they're trying to, trying to get her some, some viewership.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's toast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So they are continuing with the COVID fear mongering. We have a summer spike. This comes summer. We have a summer spike. It's that beta thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

A new COVID variant has health experts paying close attention. The NB181 is spreading quickly in other parts of the world. It has been tracked in several states, including Virginia. The state epidemiologist is not sounding the alarm. We've built up a lot of immunity to Covid, although there's no reason to believe this variant will lead to more severe illness than previous variants. She says it will likely cause an increase in summer cases. She recommends getting vaccinated, especially if you are in a more vulnerable group. I think what I think about with any vaccine, but particularly a COVID vaccine, or including the COVID vaccine, I should say, is that we want those people who are most vulnerable to more severe complications, hospitalization, even death, that they are the ones that are are protected. And that includes the elderly and people with pre existing conditions. U.S. health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Just removed the COVID vaccine. CDC recommendations for healthy pregnant women and healthy children, prompting the CDC doctor who oversees recommendations to resign.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh, well that's good. Rats are leadership.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who do they want resigning?

[Adam Curry]

Some CDC director resigned. Let me see. Director resign. This is. Here we go. Reuters. Oh, well, pediatric infectious disease expert. Expert. Dr. Lakshmi. Lakshmi? Do we even hear of Lakshmi?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now we have.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he resigned of a CDC working group that advises outside experts. So that that report was somewhat specious, as you would say. Maybe a good time to remind people that if you hear the following type of language in your mainstream media, your M5M, that that means that they've finally gotten there. This is a little throwback or callback to where we were.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want to make sure that people can discern the truth from the misinformation and we want to make sure that.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone understands that no one's safe till everyone's safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is safe.

[Adam Curry]

No one is safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is safe.

[Adam Curry]

No one is safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is safe.

[Adam Curry]

No one is safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody is safe. 9, 11 Axiom safer but not yet safe. No one is safe. No one is safe. No one is safe. No one is safe. From COVID 19 until everyone is safe. If the whole world isn't safe, none.

[Adam Curry]

Of us are safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is safe. Nobody's safe until we're all safe. Health experts have been saying nobody is safe. Nobody is safe until everybody is safe.

[Adam Curry]

What a psyop. When you think about it, the whole idea that everyone has to be vaccinated because. Because an unvaccinated person can hurt a vaccinated person. It was so unbelievable. I remember us just at the time going like, what is this logic? If this thing is safe and effective, then it doesn't matter if someone's unvaccinated next to you. But no, nobody's safe till everybody's safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science is clear. None of us are safe.

[Adam Curry]

There is no safety.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one is safe. No one is safe. No one is safe until everyone is safe. No one's safe.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody is safe. Nobody's safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one's safe.

[Adam Curry]

Never be safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're all safe. We are never going to be safe.

[Adam Curry]

99.5% of people are safe and will survive.

[John C. Dvorak]

COVID 19 the only positive thing out of this is we should be able to manufacture a lot of vaccines and.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody will be safe if not everybody is vaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have a choice.

[Adam Curry]

As long as not everybody is vaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody will be safe.

[Adam Curry]

Normalcy will only returns when we walk. Well, I can't go through the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's triggering sounds like it goes on for days.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it goes on another minute and a half. I don't think we need to hear it. It's in the show notes. Everyone can listen to it at their own leisure. And then one of the things that we got excoriated for was pregnant women and menstrual cycles and all of this stuff. And this OBGYN doctor, Dr. James Thorne. I think this was one of those Ron Johnson small room in the Capitol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did the fake. Fake?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, like I'm going to go testify. Yeah, I'm going to go testify before Congress. Wait, what room is this in the gym?

[John C. Dvorak]

Washington High School.

[Adam Curry]

Here he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

This deception was institutionalized in the now infamous Shimabakuro study published on April 21, 2021. In the the digital version of the New England Journal of Medicine, 21 authors claim the miscarriage rate with 12.6%. But the raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage rate.

[Adam Curry]

Remember that when, when people were like, you don't know, you don't understand the numbers. You're not seeing it right. It's not 80, it's 12%, it's bleed.

[John C. Dvorak]

12.6%. But the raw data revealed an 82% miscarriage rate and women vaccinated during the first trimester. This figure mirrors the effects of chemical abortion drugs such as RU486. Also in the same journal edition, on the same day, an op ed appeared by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky and journal Editor in Chief Eric Rubin. These publications were riddled with conflicts of interest and deliberate misrepresentations intended to coerce pregnant women into taking vaccines. Subsequent studies have also claimed that COVID 19 vaccines are safe and effective during pregnancy and have been rebuked by respected researchers. These publications are fundamentally compromised by serious conflicts of interest, ranging from biased funding sources and institutional mandates, and even threats to their medical licenses and board certifications. Between 2020 and 2022 pharmaceutical companies paid $1.06 billion to reviewers at leading medical journals. The New England journal of Medicine, JAMA, Lancet and BMJ, thus corrupting the peer review process. At least six existing studies, three from CDC FDA and two from Pfizer revealed major breaches in safety signals for COVID 19 vaccines in pregnancy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, well, well, well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did we just play a clip in the last show about from one of the networks pushing the COVID vaccine on pregnant women?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, if you want to hear npr, I'm happy to play it for you. This is new.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Trump administration is making it more difficult for healthy children and healthy pregnant women to get the COVID vaccine. And that is worrying.

[Adam Curry]

How is it more difficult? How is he making it more difficult? Cult. You walk in, you say, I want the shot. They make it sound like, like, like have to go to a back alley. Is coat hanger time once again? No, no, not at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The pregnant women to get the COVID vaccine, and that is worrying parents, younger adults and pregnant women who still want the shot. NPR health correspondent Rob Stein spoke. They want the shot.

[Adam Curry]

They want the shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

To get the shot.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lauren Capetti was relaxing with her husband at their home in Cincinnati when she heard about the new recommendations. I was sitting on my couch watching the news. I was just like, what is happening? I started crying. I was like, they're not recommending it for pregnant women anymore.

[Adam Curry]

And I was like, I was crying because I wanted.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I was crying. Bogus report.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, really. What's happening?

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, am I not going to be able to get this vaccine?

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to be able to get this vaccine. No one said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Why? Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why? Why? Why? Absolutely terrifying. Terrifying, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

It's absolutely terrifying, John. I mean, so the whole premise is bogus. The whole premise is false. And where they get that from? Probably from NPR.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why? Why? That's absolutely terrifying. Terrifying because the 30 year old Ohio State worker is about five months pregnant, but the CDC is no longer recommending the shots for healthy pregnant women.

[Adam Curry]

I don't want to get Covid while I'm pregnant.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want it to hurt my child. I don't want to have a premature birth. I just know that there's complications that come along with it.

[Adam Curry]

So that does scare me.

[John C. Dvorak]

She also knows that the only way to protect her newborn baby is by getting vaccinated herself. Not only does it protect me while I'm pregnant, but it does help the child once they're born, in their first few months of life when they have.

[Adam Curry]

Zero immunity to it whatsoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, you know, that's important to me.

[Adam Curry]

I want my child to have access to that. This NPR program is brought to you by Pfizer and people like you. Isn't that Incredible with all the little inserts. Oh, yeah. She doesn't want something to happen to her baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the fact that she's in tears.

[Adam Curry]

There's more.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Rachel Sampler Zelaya is worried too. She's 42 and lives in Cottage Grove, Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

This guy has a schliss. It's kind of funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has lost him. He can't breathe through his nose. Her six year old daughter has asthma, so she wants to keep getting herself, her husband and their two other healthy kids vaccinated to protect her too. But the new policies could make it harder for the rest of the family.

[Adam Curry]

This is. This is exactly. This is propaganda, indoctrination, untruth. Coming from the National Public Radio, though it's not harder to get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shameful. Shameful.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, we learned that insurance companies still cover it, will continue to cover it. So it's just not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm angry, angry, frustrated. And she's not just angry and frustrated because she's worried about protecting your daughter. She wants to shield the whole family. It's not just a cold. It affects the vascular system, the neurological system, the immune system.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you mean the shot or the COVID itself? I'm confused.

[John C. Dvorak]

And even mild cases have the potential to develop into long Covid. You know, the brain fog, the memory, the fatigue. We vaccinate for far less, and this is definitely a disease to me that needs to be vaccinated for. She says suddenly having to worry about the vaccines again feels like a flashback to the early days of the pandemic. Feels like we are going back in time again to that same place where there's not a whole lot that I can do to protect my kids.

[Adam Curry]

So they're recalling trauma of the listener by recalling the trauma of this poor woman who has clearly been traumatized and is being abused.

[John C. Dvorak]

For this piece, federal officials say the changes make sense because so many people have so much immunity now. They also question the safety of the vaccines. Even though billions of people have gotten the shots, many experts say that demonstrates the vaccines are very safe and effective. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Billions of people got it. Not everybody died. Safe and effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

Competi. Hoskins and Zelaya know they will probably still be able to get the shots by paying for them for themselves. But all the uncertainty and changing rules makes them anxious. Here's Campetti again, the pregnant woman from Ohio. Yeah, I'm just worried that if we're.

[Adam Curry]

Losing access to, you know, Covid vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I don't know if other things are gonna get taken away. Yeah, I'm just Scared.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just scared. I don't know what's happening. Man, oh, man, oh, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a salvo. This is a salvo clip. This is one of those clips where they use bull crap like we're afraid about access.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is to keep them from banning the vaccine completely.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, okay, the vaccine's gonna be round and Kennedy's promise, he's not gonna mess with vaccines and. Sure. And he wants to get rid of mop. No, no, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

They're doing it well.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, we're stronger than you, Kennedy.

[Adam Curry]

This is big pharma. They're also doing well. If you want to hear the attack from the fluoride industry, because it just. This is the same report everywhere in the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

A recent study published in JAMA Health Forum shows that if all 50 states stopped adding fluoride to tap water, about one in three kids could expect a cavity within the next five years will be like England.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone will have rotten teeth in America. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how important is fluoride in our overall dental health? Our sources to answer this, the American Dental association, family physician Dr. Carla Robinson and cardiologist, Dr. Pyle Coley.

[Adam Curry]

Cardiologists. Cardiologists.

[John C. Dvorak]

The FDA's new plan is to phase out fluoride supplements you eat or drink, not products like toothpaste or mouth rinses. Both doctors highlight the role it can play in our daily care.

[Adam Curry]

You know, fluoride is really important to protect our teeth because it does sort of two things. It prevents demineralization of our teeth, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

It also helps with remineralization of our teeth.

[Adam Curry]

It helps with demineralization of our teeth, but also with remineralization of our teeth. John, you studied chemistry. What's going on here?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea.

[Adam Curry]

Prevents demineralization of our teeth. There's a little gotcha in here. That is. I'm sure you'll catch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it also helps with remineralization of our teeth. We all utilize fluoride, either whether it's.

[Adam Curry]

In our toothpaste or, you know, in our drinking water, or for some who.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S not available in their drinking water, maybe supplements. The American Dental association says that if you. If you're living somewhere that doesn't have fluoride in the drinking water, you probably need a fluoride supplement. But when it comes to children, what amount of fluoride is considered safe? Robinson mentions that while it can be dangerous in large amounts, it can cause problems with the teeth. Ironically, when used in higher amounts than Recommended or it can also cause problems with the bones. The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed to in our drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond that, so beneath that level. And so in general, fluoride and regular.

[Adam Curry]

What did she just did the truth just come out there. The fluoride in our water is so far beyond. I mean, below what Recommended.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or it can also cause problems with the bones. The amount of fluoride that we're typically exposed to in our drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond that, so beneath that level.

[Adam Curry]

And so in general fluoride.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so it's a usage issue. I. It's. Yeah, I know what you're saying, but I think. I think the way she put it is, I think is legal.

[Adam Curry]

But she corrected it. Then why did she correct it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a point to be made with that. The bones, the amount of fluoride that we're. By the way, for anyone who wants to know, know. So one of the nasty, nasty chemicals is hydrofluoric acid. You know, you know, there's sulfuric acid, there's hydrochloric acid, there's nitric acid, which. Nitric acid is pretty nasty too, if you're dealing with it in the lab. You get one small speck of it on you, it turns your skin yellow and kind of burns you. Hydrofluoric acid is a little different. Hydrofluoric acid, if you get it on you, it goes right through your skin. It just. Just goes right to the bone and starts eating your bone. It starts dissolving your bones right from the outset. Very nasty product. Don't be around it.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that what those Russian hitmen use to get rid of the body in the bathtub?

[John C. Dvorak]

They use lime. I think everyone uses lime.

[Adam Curry]

Lime or lye lime.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's impractical to use hydrofluoric acid. It's used. The only business that uses it is the semiconductor industry. It uses the clean, I mean, a chip, I think, as wafers and things need to be cleaned with. It's the only thing that'll clean them properly. And it's a real problem. It's a waste issue. Get rid of this.

[Adam Curry]

Is that why they put it in the water, to get rid of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, most of the hydro or the fluoride in water comes from the waste. Aluminum, Aluminum manufacturing. It's a waste product and it's hard to get rid of. Of. And for some of the reasons I just mentioned, it's a nasty Thing that if you get like a drop of hydrofluoric acid, it just starts eating your bones.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Put it in the water.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's drink it. Drinking water or in our toothpaste is so far beyond that, so beneath that level. And so in general, fluoride and regular normal applications is very safe to use and doesn't really put you at risk for those complications.

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think this is such a big win because we've been talking about fluoride in the water since the day this show started. And it was probably second half of show. These nuts. These nuts are talking about fluoride in the water again. It's crazy. What are they thinking? What are they doing? Yeah, I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it was second half a show. I think we did. We have talked about. But I think it was first half of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't. Second half of show was all flying saucer stuff, which is a lot of people miss, myself included, I don't have.

[Adam Curry]

Because it's bull crap. All of it's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of a sudden you've changed from meeting. You met. You were going to meet some guy. Remember this. This is like in the third year of the show.

[Adam Curry]

I can say you're going to meet.

[John C. Dvorak]

An alien who's going to be meeting you somewhere in the Midwest.

[Adam Curry]

He didn't show. No, it was in. It was in the north of Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's in the north of Holland. You're going to meet some guy who's an alien that just came off a ship. He's going to talk to you and tell you that you. Tell you what was going on and never showed up.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. So now do you understand why I'm saying it's all bull crap? All of it. Yeah. Zero point energy. I've wasted so many years of my life on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

My favorite.

[Adam Curry]

I've wasted so many years of my life on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Perpetual motion. Well, no, the other favorite one. Not. I'm not here to ridicule you.

[Adam Curry]

No. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, there's always a big butt.

[Adam Curry]

That's a big butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing you. You had a Rolls Royce or something in your heyday and you were gonna put water. He's gonna use water for fuel.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. That was the Jaguar and the hydro booster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You had water in there. And the water's. And you got. And you went on and on about how much. Much great your gas mileage was.

[Adam Curry]

It was true. And again, I drove from the UK to the Netherlands to the east of the Netherlands to have a hydro booster installed. And it did. I did get good. Better. Better gas mileage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

By. By putting. What is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Water in the gas?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it was. It was hydrolysis and it created. Boom. Whatever. What is that stuff? What do you get from it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Hydro. Hydro stuff, you know. Boom. That stuff. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hydrazine.

[Adam Curry]

No, not hydrazine. No, it was the. Come on. When you. When you. When you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

When you. When you put electricity into water, you get hydrolysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Electrolysis.

[Adam Curry]

Electrolysis. And then what comes out of it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is hydrogen.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrogen, exactly. And I was putting that straight into the carburetor. The car went fast and it saved gas. It's true somewhere. Do you ever wonder what happened to cars you had. I have no idea what happened to that car. I only know the Rolls Royce. I know what happened to the Rolls Royce. I don't know anything. Any of my cars. I have no idea where they went. Did I sell them? Did I get rid of them? Did I drop them by the side of the road?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can tell you the Rolls Royce is accounted for. There's Iran. We had a person when I lived at another house in the same town here. There was a old lady living on the corner, and she was a kind of crazy old lady, and her. The house was located next to the railroad tracks, and she had. It used to be a bootleggers place in the 30s. And the trains would stop at the right in front of this house and offload a bunch of liquor. And this house looked like a warehouse. Anyway, it was pretty much an empty house, but it had a lot of. It was just a. It just a weird situation. The place was eventually torn down. That was the end of it. But in the garage right there at that house was a 1920s, 1930s Rolls Royce. That was. They never took out. I got to see it once.

[Adam Curry]

Mint condition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peer in to see it. I talked to some Rolls Royce guys, and there was a Rolls Royce guy somewhere along the lines, because there was a thing going on in be area called Morehouse, which was a cult. And everybody in the cult had to have a Rolls Royce. It was a part of the cult. And they drive around these Rolls Royces. There were a bunch of them in Berkeley, and there was a bunch of cultists here. And so I ran into some Rolls Royce expert and he was part of some club. He says, oh yeah, every Rolls Royce in the world is accounted for. And he Knew the car in that garage.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Every Rolls Royce.

[John C. Dvorak]

So your car is accounted for by the Rolls Royce folk.

[Adam Curry]

I know, I know where it went. That one. I know. But my first car, Volkswagen Beetle 1303. I don't remember the Volvo one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember what would you.

[Adam Curry]

The Volvo 142, I don't remember, had a Volvo 142.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was funky looking one.

[Adam Curry]

That was. That was my mom's car, which I inherited. No, it was the big box, but it had this like the lawnmower engine in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is the. The boxy Volvo.

[Adam Curry]

Huge boxy Volvo. Then I. And then I had the Volkswagen one 1303. And gosh, I don't remember. I think I had a Mitsubishi after that. I had a Mitsubishi Turbo. It had big turbo sign on the back, which was really gay. Really. It was like. It was. It was wrong. It was so wrong. And I mean, Gabe, in the old school sense of the word. Word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, we don't care actually on this show.

[Adam Curry]

No. And gosh. But I don't remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you had a lot of cars.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I had. I had a Buick Skylark with an eight track in it with the T top roof. That was my favorite car. It had eight cylinders, but usually if you were idling, only six of them worked. That was. That was. That was one of my favorites.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was an engine General Motors had for a while that when you were driving it, it would go to four. It has an eight, but it would use four cylinders.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was. That was a thing for a while. It was probably in the 70s for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, it's off because of global cooling.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, all right, Enough reminiscence.

[Adam Curry]

Right? Well, people love our stories, John. They come for the deconstruction. They stay for the stories about hydroxy boosters and aliens. Come on, man. We just gave everybody everything they want.

[John C. Dvorak]

So back to Massie. I have some more clips from him if you want to hear.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thomas Massie, the guy you mentioned earlier in the show as a sellout or.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if he's a trumper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, he's got his. He's got his reasons. And I have a couple of.

[Adam Curry]

He's principled is what he is. He's principled. And I think he's totally right. I think he's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's explained in these clips. But at the same time, there is a. He does have a flaw in his thinking.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, people are just saying our new exits strategy is car talk. That's it, baby. We're reviving the show. We'll be on NPR stations everywhere soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he does have a. I think this was a mistake. This is Massey. This is the Masaks clip that you tried to play earlier. He actually implies that Americans are dumb. And then he figures out that he said that and he corrects himself. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

If the tariffs increase the prices, they're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going to be annoyed by that.

[Adam Curry]

But I think the ideas behind tariffs, which even Trump would probably agree with, it's not going to be an easy start.

[John C. Dvorak]

But eventually you want to get to.

[Adam Curry]

A place where people have more money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the industries are back in America. But what if, what if we're not good at making socks? What if, what if we're better at growing potatoes in this country than we are at making socks? Should, you know, when you go to Walmart, should you be through tariffs induced to buy socks that weren't made as well or as ones made in China or made or were made more costly versus being able to go in and buy your potatoes that were made in America? Because more of our effort was put toward things we're good at or things that we can. Maybe we're good at everything. I don't want to discourage any industry, but yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Who are you, Thomas Massey? We're great at making good.

[John C. Dvorak]

We made gold toe socks forever here in this country and then they shipped them off to Mexico. They're all made in Mexico now. They're not as good.

[Adam Curry]

Our socks were so good that it was the number one Christmas gift from your grandma. We gave each other socks because our socks were great.

[John C. Dvorak]

How hard is it to make socks find that disappointing?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he, he, he talked himself into a bunch. You know what? That's because of the. All of a sudden he thinks he's, he's. I had a. Where was this? I had a. Okay, this. Another anonymous boots on the ground. I was at a training. I was at a training with a federal agency. During part of the class, we watched a short video of Robert Cialdini's Principles of Persuasion. In addition to the principles, the instructor pointed out a subtle principle the video used. The narrator had a British accent. The instructor stated that Americans tend to find British accents pleasing to hear. And we think that people who spe speak with a British accent are smart. Therefore, we tend to put more stock or socks in what they are saying. Fact. So Massey was probably sitting there thinking, I'm here with an intelligent guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know how well, this is this guy. This is the w W M. S. William Marshall. I'm sorry. Winston. Winston. Winston Marshall.

[Adam Curry]

Winston. Wow. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the Winston Marshall podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now this is the thing. We've talked about this on the show before, but I want to remind everybody. People seem to forget it, that if you're on a hot committee, one of the better committees in Congress, you have to pay.

[Adam Curry]

You have to pay dues, like a million bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least it can be a million bucks at the Ways and Means. That's the top committee, according to Massie. And he hears his stories on this. And by the way, Massie doesn't. He gets charged. He's on some committee. He's not an A committee. Like, he puts a B and C committee. And he says. And you look at who's on the C committees, you can see who's probably more honest. You never heard of any of them. He got a bill. He talks about getting the bill. He doesn't say it in this clip, but he never. He never. He refused to pay.

[Adam Curry]

He never paid his committee fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nope.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go this onion that people don't fully appreciate. I didn't know it existed until I got here. When I got here, of lobbyist wanted to have a meeting with me, and I took the meeting, and my fundraiser was there. If this is a woman who helps me raise money, she said, you should take this meeting. And I had no idea what the meeting was about. And they said. They opened the meeting and said, you're. You're a talented individual. You're a smart guy. You went to mit. You shouldn't be wasting your time on these committees you're on. You need to get on the Ways and Means Committee. And my friends and I will raise you the money that's required to get you on the Ways and Means Committee, which, by the way, is like half a million or a million dollars.

[Adam Curry]

What's the Ways and Means Committee?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Tax Committee. Okay? See, it's. And it's considered probably the most powerful committee because there's. Because we don't have a flat tax. We don't have a flat tariff. It's because we have all these variations and deductions and exemptions, and everybody's here trying to get one of those. And if you're on that committee, you know, I'm, for instance, on the Transportation Committee. So you can imagine the concrete lobbyists would be interested, right? Or the airplane manufacturers might be interested. But guess who's interested in the Tax committee? Everybody. It's not like a subset of America that's interested in that committee, everybody's interested in that committee. And so they're. All the lobbyists are prone to donating to people on that committee. So if you hold one of those committee seats, seats, you're supposed to collect the money from those lobbyists that are interested in the subjects that come in front of your committee and give it to the party. And there's a dues system here. When I first got here and they went to the trouble of sending me the bill, it was $300,000 every election cycle. I was supposed to give the party for the privilege of serving on these committees.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Well, that's. We knew this. It was fun to hear him say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we know. We knew this. Not everybody listens to the show. Heard it before. I just wanted to remind him that this is a scam.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he didn't pay for it. I think that's what's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he, well, he said no, not paying it. He never paid. But they won't put him on a higher end committee. They keep him on these, you know, transportation Committee.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

In one of the clips he talks about foreign affairs is the lowest of the lowest, the low committee. If you people. Well, look, look up who's on Foreign affairs Committee. You'll see there's a bunch of guys that probably don't pay anything either, including Nancy Mace, who's on that one.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

But let's. Here's the second half of this clip. It was $300,000 every election cycle. I was supposed to give the party for the privilege of serving on these committees. And they say it's legal because the committees aren't in the Constitution. So they believe it's something that they can extract rent from. And because this is all happening within Congress, there's. Congress isn't going to make a law to stop it. So they charge you rent for the committees you're on. And if you want to be on a really lucrative committee, you have to pay higher rent. And you don't go back home. You know, I'm from Kentucky. I can't go back home and sit in somebody's living room and do a fundraiser with 20 people who like being represented by me, like what I stand for, and tell them, well, I'm going to need you all to get out your wallets and write me a $5,000 check because this ain't free. It's not cheap to be on the Ways and Means Committee. You're going to have to donate money to me just so I can be on A committee, I think Americans would revolt. You know, the kind that you do a fundraising in their living room with. They would reject that out of hand. But you can do that with lobbyists. The lobbyists know that's the game that's played. And so you, you know, if the lobbyists like what you're doing for them on that committee, they're inclined to help pay your dues. But what. And there's no way you're going to raise half a million dollars back home in living rooms to pay your rent on the Ways and Means Committee.

[Adam Curry]

You have to give it, get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the lobbyists who have interests in front of the Ways and Means Committee. But by the time you've done that, now you feel obligated to those people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yes. That is the system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It goes on with more details, but it's all unnecessary. People need to know this is going on. So you. What's. What.

[Adam Curry]

So the Dutch government collapsed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. Mimi, I was talking to her about it. She says, oh my God, how did this happen? This is unbelievable. What's going to happen? What's going to happen? I think this happens.

[Adam Curry]

So when I heard this, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good, the guy quit, I think. Didn't he just walk out?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, and this report will not explain it, but I, but there's a little thing in here. So Geard Wilders is what, what. If you remember the far right Trump of the Netherlands, he's the guy that's been under constant protection for the past 15 years because of his anti. His Islamophobia. Because he's like, we gotta stop. We're a small country. We can't have all these Islamists coming in and forming ghettos. And you know, all of Europe is under severe strain due to immigrants, newcomers, asylum seekers. And one of the big. And so he stood for election with his pvv, the Freedom Party, and did extremely well. You still need to create a coalition. So he got the Farmer's Party and a couple others in there. It was very difficult to form the coalition. So you have the majority in parliament. But one of the big things was we're going to stop the asylum seekers and immigration. It's a very small country, but we're going to. And besides, it's just wrong. We're going to stop this. And so the one of the big promises was there would be no more of these asylum centers in all these small places that no one's ever heard of on the outskirts of the country near the border. And of course, it just started to happen anyway. And so, and you recall that it was strange that he was the, the head of the party, he was leading the party. But then they brought in this former intelligence guy to be the prime minister. Spook. A literal spook who was a spook. During COVID the guy was like, why is this guy being chosen to be Prime Minister? Because you don't vote for the person, you vote for the party. But of course, everyone voted for Geert Wilders. And he said, no, I'm not going to be Prime Minister. Now I think this was a long, long game and it's brilliant because the one thing every person in Western Europe, I mean, would you say arguably President Trump won on immigration? Would you say that that was pretty much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

So immigration, that's the thing. Everybody just wants it to stop, particularly in Europe. But we had it here, like, no, we just want it to stop. Which is funny, cuz people like, whoa, they're gonna deport my moms. Okay, we wanted it to stop. We voted for it. We're actually getting what we voted for. Surprise. Surprise enterprise. So this was about immigration. And the discussion on the table in the parliament was about immigration. And they couldn't get it through. His own coalition didn't have enough votes. So he said, that's it, we're done. We're not going to be a part of the coalition. And then the prime minister. Rage quit. Bye. Well, I'm out too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rage quit.

[Adam Curry]

So that's. Yeah, no one even this guy was. I mean, he was. He might as well have been invisible. He spoke a little bit, but he was a spook. He was just, he was a figurehead. And now I understand why. I think it's brilliant because now we'll have elections again, I think September, October, and this is going to be the issue. And Geert Wilders will be the guy who is, who, who put his career on the line for it. And I think he will be elected with an overwhelming majority. Here's the report.

[John C. Dvorak]

He made the elections online. Hold on Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a gamble, isn't it?

[Adam Curry]

He's been gambling with his life for 25 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

Now he's, he's again, he's under constant surveillance because, you know, he's, he's pretty much like, oh, here's a cartoon of Muhammad. You know, that's. So he's, he's pretty much made it very clear where he stands on this. And if you ask anyone in Holland, like, oh, Geert Wilders. And well, Geert isn't doing his job. Who's this Guy and I think he forced this whole issue. The cabinet only formed it like six months ago. They couldn't form the cabinet for nine months. There's a long, long time. So I think he really pushed this, this episode so that they can have new elections and everyone's going to be like, this is the only guy. Immigration is it. We want him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He made the announcements online this Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

With a message posted on X.

[John C. Dvorak]

No signature for our asylum plans. No amendment to the coalition deal. The PVV is leaving. The coalition hit. Wilders departure due to disagreements on immigration has caused the government to collapse. And as the Prime Minister promptly resigned, Wilders is hoping he can grab hold of the empty seat. Will your political career end here? Actually, I'm going to be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

[Adam Curry]

I'll stand in the elections.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Party for Freedom becomes more popular than ever. The coalition was formed last July and finding middle ground has been an almost impossible task. The country's Minister for Foreign affairs criticised the timing of Wilder's decision.

[Adam Curry]

It's irresponsible.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a war in Europe just a.

[Adam Curry]

Few hours away from here. There are wars all around Europe and.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the Middle East, Trump's imposed tariffs and there are some serious trade issues. For a country that has such an.

[Adam Curry]

Open economy as ours, I think it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scandalous that he resigned from the negotiating.

[Adam Curry]

Table at this moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

But for opposition groups such as the Labour Party, early elections would be a chance to reshuffle the political landscape. Well, I think it's an opportunity for.

[Adam Curry]

All democratic parties to rid ourselves of the extremes, because it's clear that with the extremes you can't govern when things get difficult, they run away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elections aren't expected to take place before October, and considering how fragmented the Dutch political scene is, agreeing to a coalition could take many months more.

[Adam Curry]

So no mention of the real issue in that report, strangely enough. But I think it's probably a very good bet that he's going to be extremely popular. And of course, now it all depends on how they campaign for the next five, six months or so will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Termed somewhat by the media and how they handle this. The media could be, you know, pro immigration and.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yes, but you have to know that the Dutch are rioting now. There are small towns everywhere where they are bombarding the. The city council. They're throwing eggs at them. They don't want the. Oh, yeah, good. They don't want the asylum center that you can't ignore that news. That news is just too bad. Big they're everywhere and The Netherlands does have regional news, and you know what? It's like every socialist country, everyone goes, oh, yeah, yeah. In public, like, oh, yeah. But in private, like, screw these guys. I want this guy Wilders. So ultimately, your vote is a private affair. And I think he will be voted in and I think he will make big moves in the Netherlands. The funny thing is, is they now have what they call a caretaker government in the interim. So we will continue to govern as if nothing happens. It's really the funniest thing, a caretaker government. And, well, you know, there's a little problem with this because we have the big NATO splash coming up. So, Dutch Minister of Defense Reuben Brecklemans, what are you going to do about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Two days ago in the Netherlands, the coalition government collapsed. And I want to stress here at the NATO headquarter that it doesn't mean anything for our defense and for foreign policy. We, as a caretaker government, decided to act as if we are a regular government and just to continue business as.

[Adam Curry]

Usual, because business as usual, everybody, which means we're going to spend your money.

[John C. Dvorak]

International threats do not diminish if there are domestic political issues in the Netherlands. So we will continue in the same way. Also in preparation for the NATO summit, which I expect is going to be an historic summit. We as a host country want to make this a big success and we will do all the necessary preparations, of course, to make this summit, make the summit a success, and the participants will not see or experience anything different, given the fact that we in the Netherlands now have a carrying take a government. Of course, today is also going to be important to make sure that the 32 allies get more aligned towards a new defence investment pledge. And I expect that we will make a further progress. Yes. What are the capability targets for the Netherlands? Can you go into more details on.

[Adam Curry]

What you will be focusing? Again, everyone's on the same script. The capability. What is the capability? You mean how much money we're going to spend? Yeah, we call the capability.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, I'm not allowed to share any specifics about that, but what we do see in general, general, of course, is that NATO is requiring more from us because the threat, especially by Russia, is increasing. We made a calculation of what those additional capability targets mean financially for the Netherlands. And if you calculate this, then it means that we should spend, in the medium term, we should spend three and a half percent at least on defence, which in the Netherlands means an additional 16 to 19 British billion, addition to our current budget. And that's what we also shared With Parliament. So this is what NATO is expecting from us. But what we will decide in terms of a new defense investment place, a new NATO norm, that's of course a political decision which we will further discuss.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, Elon Musk, that's fine and dandy, all that stuff, but how does this affect the relationship within the euro, which is all pro immigration.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's, that's why Wilders is counting on his. What we call the. Or the everyone in the back who is all going to rise up and vote for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but again the question. I'll ask it again. How does that affect the relationship of the Netherlands within the EU?

[Adam Curry]

It'll be horrible, of course, because the.

[John C. Dvorak]

EU's worked with Hungary, which refuses to take any immigrants at all.

[Adam Curry]

He will be labeled Nazi. He will be labeled a dictator. He will be labeled all of these things far right, ultra far right. I don't know what they'll make of it. Oh yeah, no, of course not. But this is why the Dutch voted for him in the first place. They're sick of it. I've said this before. They're sick of it, but they have no voice. This is the only guy. And he just didn't have enough power, enough votes.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Swedes for example, which have the same problem.

[Adam Curry]

Mm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't rise up. I don't see the Swedes being more passive than the Dutch. Although the Dutch were world conquerors, they were big shots in the 1600s.

[Adam Curry]

They did give up their bikes within 24 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's true.

[Adam Curry]

That is a classic no agenda callback, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Elon. Musk just tweeted. You ready for this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, now we're going to the tweet. War.

[Adam Curry]

Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJ T. That.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Woo. That's awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, actually that may be. If you're gonna. If we're gonna go with the thesis, or you are at least, and I am not in total disagreement with the thesis that this is a bowl crap play we're watching. We're witnessing a staged play. Yes, this would be the rationale for rolling out all the Epstein files.

[Adam Curry]

Bingo.

[John C. Dvorak]

To prove Musk wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Of course he's in on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, it may be Trump having Musk do this because he knows he's not in the files, but he's a little Trump himself. I believe this could is a possibility. Trump Himself is error. Worked with Pam Bondage for sitting on these files.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. And now they got to come out because he has to prove he's not in them. Everything will be released. Everything. Every last drop. You know, speaking of such there is, you want to hear some hill country gossip?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No. Do I want it? This is all I do. The show. The only reason I'm still doing the show is because of this. Because of this.

[Adam Curry]

Four more years of this. As long as I stay in Fredericksburg, we're good to go. The ladies had a lunch the other. The other day.

[John C. Dvorak]

The ladies had lunch at the ladies lunch.

[Adam Curry]

Am I a lady? No, this is ladies who lunch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how. How did you get wind of it?

[Adam Curry]

My. My wife is my shoe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she is in the ladies lunch.

[Adam Curry]

Of course she is. They all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, good for.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody wants Tina.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a mole.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I do. And she'll sit right there and say, adam's going to talk about this. And I think they like, like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So most people like to be talked about.

[Adam Curry]

And these are successful women. Women who have had successful careers. Some. This one actually still has a successful career. And here's what she said. World War three is coming. World War III is coming. Because all the names, everything's going to come out, and they need a distraction.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's have a nuclear war instead of, you know, distract us from who's on. Wow, what logic.

[Adam Curry]

I love it. I love the ladies who lunch. This is the best, man. I mean, I used to have to search for this stuff. Now it just gets handled, and now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It just comes right to. It's dropped in your lap.

[Adam Curry]

I know. It's the easiest work ever. It's fantastic. Now this. I think you're bang on about this. This is the perfect setup. And now we have to release it all. And that does mean some names will come out. Now, will that necessitate World War three? I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I doubt.

[Adam Curry]

I highly doubt it. Everybody likes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think Bono's on there, though.

[Adam Curry]

Bono.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bono.

[Adam Curry]

He was just on Rogan. I haven't watched it yet, but he was on Rogan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bono's all over the place. He's trying to. He's creating screens. He's good. Bono is all of a sudden appearing because it turns out that Bono is on the flight logs at least five times. And there's some name.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's some pictures of him floating around in memes. I haven't put him in the newsletter because I did things.

[Adam Curry]

Really, of all the people, Bono, huh? Well, that's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what accounts for a lot of Bono's appearances.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he shows up on Rogan. What?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think this is. Yeah, it's possible that this is all a one, two punch and it's all orchestrated between Trump and Musk. And it makes more. NBA would get picked up by the media because it looks as though they're having a feud and the media hates Trump to such an extreme that they're going to.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, here it is. Breaking news just in. New war of words erupts between Trump and Musk. Big ugly battle says Fox. Oh, man, Paul Fox is a sucker for it. BBC Trump and Musk spar and public fallout. It's all on the quads, John. It's everywhere. It's burning my retinas. It's on the quads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Talking about Fox being in the. In the. You know, we heard that clipper we played a few times ago about. I forgot it was Tucker interviewing somebody. And they mentioned that Fox is really a bunch of liberals. And you always like to say, yeah, it's run by.

[Adam Curry]

Run by Democrats. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a clip mentioning Fox of the Five. This is the Waters clip at the bottom. This is from the Five. And this is a. The end of show. They do some letters to the. They do letters, they read letters. And the question is, what would you do if you were a scammer and you were going to scam somebody? And now it goes to Waters about what were you going to do if you're going to scam somebody? He has this. This kind of crazy tale. Gutfeld is on the show, says, oh, this is meta. I'm going to give you the headline so you can follow it.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Waters says, well, if I was gonna scam somebody, I'd pretend to be or conservative and then work my way up the ladder and get my own TV show and then stay there and never mention it to anybody. If you are this from. Oh, sorry, wait, wait, wait. I gotta do the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so Gutfeld says that's meta, meaning it refers to something that's actually going on at Fox.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then he said, says it's meta. Meta. Because Shannon Bream is sitting right next to Waters. She's the one this is targeted at. And Gutfeld kind of hints at that when he asks her the same question next. And she's really, you know, Shannon Bream, I've always believed, because I've gotten evidence of her not being a big supporter of Trump. I Mean, she's, you know, she's just this. She's a. She's a beauty queen in every sense of the word. But I've never thought she was a conservative and she. I think she's the phony they're talking about. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

If you were.

[John C. Dvorak]

This from Frenchie, if you were a con artist, what would your scam be?

[Adam Curry]

Jesse?

[John C. Dvorak]

I would pretend to be conservative and.

[Adam Curry]

Then I would get on television and dress really nicely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Convincing. And then I would just climb the.

[Adam Curry]

Corporate ladder until I had a show.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then just stay there for as long as I could. Very convincing. That was so meta that it's actually meta. Meta. Shannon, you would pretend to be a very religious cook. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody who actually loves the Bible.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be writing, rising up. No, I could not. I could not. No. I would try to convince people that I can cook.

[Adam Curry]

Shannon Bream. Oh, Shannon. She's meta. Meta. Okay. Can I just say. Yeah, go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, nothing. I just thought I found that to be revealing. They wanted to get it off their chest. Shannon was at the table that day. She's not a normal person. She's not normally on the phone. 5. It's usually the other one. Can't remember her name offhand.

[Adam Curry]

The blondie.

[John C. Dvorak]

The one of the blondie. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The one that used to be Bush's press secretary.

[Adam Curry]

I can't remember her name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, McEnany.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the other.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's ridiculous. But I can't remember her name. She's very good. Perina.

[Adam Curry]

Dana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Perina Perino. Perina Purina.

[Adam Curry]

Purina.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's usually there, but. So Shannon comes on once in a while and she. And they mentioned when he. When water says. And she's all. And he says, this person's always going to be really well dressed. Shannon at that on that table was dressed to the tens. I don't know what she was wearing, but it was high end. It's just so obvious that they're giving. I'm surprised that she doesn't go to the HR about that, about that situation. Can I just say I'm doing you a favor by working here. I don't think she said anything.

[Adam Curry]

My eyes are. I got problems with my eyes because now of the quad box, two of them have quad boxes in the quad box all talking about. It's a multi quad box. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the Cs in the COVID vaccine access. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only Mr. Giant on C Devorah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning you see boat, the air subs in the water, Dames and the knights out there.

[Adam Curry]

To the trolls.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the trolls.

[Adam Curry]

Let me count for a second here. 17. 50. 50 low. We're below average. We're way beyond. Go ahead, say. Go ahead, say it. Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

My goodness. What? You. You're expecting me to say it's because the first hour of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yep, That' I'm expecting you to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah. Nah.

[Adam Curry]

The trolls are in the troll room at Trollroom IO. That's where you can listen live. Live and troll along. It's ephemeral. So it doesn't matter what you do. It just scrolls right off. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And did you use the word ephemeral?

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that the. Is that not the correct term?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it was a good word, but it just stuns me that you'd say that out of the blue like that.

[Adam Curry]

I. If. Well, if I had a British accent, would it stun you less? It is completely ephemeral. What's happening in the trail room. And of course, you can also access the live stream with a modern podcast app. Do not fall for the legacy apps. They're doing you no good at all. That takes hours sometimes to get the show. You don't want that. What you want is you want a modern podcast app you can get@podcast apps.com. what are you doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Drinking hop water.

[Adam Curry]

Pop water?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hop water.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hop water. I thought you said pop, pop, pop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hop, hop, hop, hop.

[Adam Curry]

What is it, like, eight?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

What the. People just complaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What are they complaining about?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. They're trolls. That's what they do. Exactly how they sound. That's exactly what they sound like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take the mic off.

[Adam Curry]

I did. Take the mic off. Yeah. Get a modern podcast app. The good thing is two great. There's several great things. The first thing is when we go live, you get an alert on your phone that says we're live. And then you hit that and you listen to the live stream. No legacy app has that. When we upload the show, all of these modern apps, they're all connected to the Pod ping system. A actually, Sir Brian of London really concepted it and built most of it. I got to give him props. Sir Alex Gates jumped in, built the. All these different pieces. It's a whole cacophony of his whole orchestra of people putting this stuff together. Nobody owns this. It's on an actual blockchain Anybody can use it. Any podcast app. Many hosting companies, hundreds of thousands of podcasts are using this. But will Silicon Valley ever use it? No, because it's not invented here. Within 90 seconds of posting, you get your new podcast. That's what I'm saying. Saying podcast apps.com in our value for value model, which we diligently employ. Yeah, there's. So you know the podcast industrial complex, all they talk about is stats and first parties. Stats, stats and first party data. And we have to know more about who's listening, who, click play, how long they're listening. First party data is what we need. The apps need to reporting. I'd be reporting on everybody because. Because they can't justify downloads to people actually listening, particularly not from there. It is again the legacy apps. Apple auto downloads it. Auto downloads. What's the other one? Not overcast. Also auto downloads. And that's fine. That's what it was. That's what podcast apps were supposed to do. But then they try to shoehorn this advertising model in it and then it doesn't work. And like. Well, there's an outrage when you first party to data. So we don't look at stats, we just make sure we can pay the rent. That's why we've been running it for more than 17 years. That's all we care about. Value given, value received.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, we probably could make more by scamming easily.

[Adam Curry]

Oh man. I could create downloaders. You can pay companies to do that. It's. There's entire. I've seen videos of these, these farms in China where they just have thousands of secondhand and cell phones all in racks like, stacked next to each other like loaves of bread. And it's professional. They all have a USB cable going into a port. And all they're doing is scamming. You know, it's. It's sold to you as well. These are all bots. Yeah, they're download scams. Trust me, that's what they're really doing. It's money. Money in the bank, I tell you. Money in the bank. No, instead we just give you the show. Been giving you the show for over 17 years. If you get anything out of it, you send it back to us. It's called value for value. It's very simple. How much is up? Whatever you want to do is up to you. We thank everybody. We close that loop by mentioning everyone with their numbers, whatever they sent us. Because numerology is important. $50 or above. Under that, we've kept that cap. People want to stay, remain anonymous, and make sure we don't screw it up, because that's what we'll do. Inevitably, we'll dox you for sure if we're not careful. So under 50, we just don't read. Now, as part of our Hollywood gamble and gambling bit, we've created or gamble. It's a gamble. It's a great gamble. We've created actual credits which are just as valid as Hollywood credits with executive producer or associate executive producer. Before we get to that, some people support us with time and talent. Time and talent comes in many different ways. Organizing meetups, setting up websites, doing all kinds of stuff for us. And it's the artists, the artists who have consistently delivered, delivered fantastic work for us, which always delights people by showing you something on social media. It shows up in your podcast app. Oh, what is this? Oh, it's no agenda again. By the way, I think I sent an email about this because I heard you and Andrew Horowitz talking about it on DH Unplug, which is a great podcast. If you want to hear two guys talk about stocks and economics and meta analysis and other odd things like AI art. You listen to that podcast live on Tuesday evenings, but it drops right after that. So Wednesday is when people usually get it. And again, you were complaining about the levels of white and just the levels of color in general in AI generated art, and we're seeing it on our art generator, noagendaartgenerator.com.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got another note from Animus.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. You were rude to him. If I could, you don't mind me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saying, I was probably gruff.

[Adam Curry]

It was your typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

I told him it was. I was good to hear from him. I tried to be.

[Adam Curry]

You were rude. You do this with people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's just.

[Adam Curry]

I'm running interference for you here because I know you. This used to send me into a tailspin. I'm like, dvorak is such a dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douche.

[Adam Curry]

I hate him. I'm quitting the show now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rage.

[Adam Curry]

Quit now. I'm like, it's just John. Whatever. It's good. People will forward me.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says, I was. He accused me of being skeptical about something or other.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. You see, you think everything's an accusation. You are the one with the long toes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got. You nailed it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the understanding. My response to everything. It's. I see everything as an accusation. Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. It's really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I picked this up as a writer.

[Adam Curry]

Is that what. Is that where it's from?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here. Color space. Here. Your response was amazing. Skeptical of what?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did that. I. There's no tonal in the. There's no mean looking emoji or anything. There's no emoji with a mean face. When you started, when I said it was this way, this is the way it was presented. I'm skeptical of what?

[Adam Curry]

No, there's no. I'm. So this is your problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Skeptical of what? Skeptical of what? I'm just. Okay. I'm not. Skeptical of what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm going to try and explain it to you. You remember netiquette? Do you remember netiquette? No, you don't, because netiquette was never in your etiquette. When someone emails you a very thoughtful. And someone says, john, I'm interested in the reason for your skepticism so I can learn more. So when you don't say, hi, animus, thanks for being such a great supporter and once again contributing to the conversation. Skeptical of what? No. Skeptical of what? I'm just helping you, brother. It's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, brother. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep going.

[Adam Curry]

Keep going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going.

[Adam Curry]

So I had a thought. It's like all of a sudden, it hit me. I know why the art is getting less luminous and why there's no whites and there's no dark, no blacks. This is entropy. AI is ingesting its own stuff, and it's like making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this was, of course, brought up on us on the. On the DH Unplug show. Again, it was because we brought it up. Because. Because Horowitz is. You know, he uses AI to create the art for the show.

[Adam Curry]

And he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's real of it, too.

[Adam Curry]

And he's real proud of it. And you pooped all over him right away. You think this is good?

[John C. Dvorak]

You. No, you're right about that one. I think this is good. Well, I was a little. I was probably. That was. Yes, okay, I'll accept that one.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, it's Tuesday night. You don't really want to do the show at all. You want to do it, but when it's not Tuesday night, you could have other things to do. There's sports ball to watch. I get it. But you're committed. You're committed. You're a committed guy. In. In. In all these years, 1770 episodes, you've always showed up. Except for one time you were late because your analog alarm clock didn't change time with the daylight savings time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't remember that. But generally speaking, I'm. Punctual is the word.

[Adam Curry]

You are punctual. Yes. You. You are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I didn't find the art that. Be that compelling that he would be happy about it, but we did bring up the muddiness, and it was muddy. It was all this one tone of brown.

[Adam Curry]

Right. But what you didn't discuss. This is entropy. This is the beginnings of model collapse. And I think that's exactly what we're seeing, particularly with the free stuff. People using free stuff. Stuff like, I have to give. Give that model to those guys. And I wonder if our AI. AI prompt jockeys, if they're seeing that as well, because it. It's very apparent to us. Everything's getting fuzzier. There's just the. The colors aren't vibrant. And maybe that's why people are resorting to making cartoonish artwork, because, holy moly, there's a lot of it. But first, let a cartwheedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait before you go. Go on.

[Adam Curry]

I want to. I want to thank our artists. We haven't thanked our artist yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, before you thank the artist, even since you brought up all these side bars. And I apologize to Animus for being a jerk. It's good by your standards and probably by his.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. Not that he's emailed me or anything. Like, what's up with John?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What's. What's wrong with this guy?

[Adam Curry]

This guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a note from Darren. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

About Flux Context. He says, itm. I haven't had a chance to play with the new Flux model yet, but the existing ones were quite impressive at creating realistic images. The context model. This is the tip of the day for the last show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I asked Darren to look at it, and he's already very familiar with all this stuff going on. He says that. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The context model really seems to shine with image modifications, which is, like I mentioned, taking somebody's head and putting it on somebody else's head.

[Adam Curry]

Right, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

This will make it much harder for people to distinguish between what is real and what isn't. If you want to frame someone, what's that in your mouth? And you have an image of a room in their home from a family snapshot, you can get instant believability.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Instant believability.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll let you know. Know once more I dig more once I dig in. But for now, I'd say it's a pretty good tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think this is. I think this is time for the bonus clip. Or maybe not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This is a very, very big deal. Facebook parent meta platforms has announced that it is going into a 20 year deal with nuclear power provide provider Constellation Energy for a steady flow of electricity to power its AI data centers. And that deal follows a similar tie up between Constellation and Microsoft involving the Three Mile island nuclear power plant, also for Microsoft's AI ambitions. And these commitments highlight big tech's insatiable need for electricity to fuel AI. In fact, enough generation juice to power a small city. And on top of that, AI facilities require enormous amounts of water to cool the equipment because they're just running full throttle all the time. Now the what the big tech wants you to focus on is the benefits that could come from AI. How society could change as productivity, productivity improves and as it becomes infinitely easier to create memes that you can can post on Instagram and Facebook. On the other hand, this is an industry that is all but reinvigorating the nuclear power industry, which was once pretty much on the ropes as other fuel sources were found. And now big tech is bringing nuclear power back in a big way. So on the one hand, what we have here is memes. On the other hand, Three Mile island, you figure it out. There you go. Memes versus Three Mile island and our art in our art. That's right. By the way, it's called now it's Fox is calling it the Big ugly battle. Darren O' Neill brought us the artwork for episode 17, 6 and 69. We titled that Mr. Umami. That's right. Remember that, everybody? Umami mouthfeel.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yes, we had some debate about.

[Adam Curry]

We did have.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I have a. I came up with a thesis that you agree. Agreed with.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So first of all, it was cartoonish depiction of a lorry driving into Russia with a shed and a little happy drone smiling out of the back. Which the whole idea was good. Your objection which was valid is it said created by Curry and Dvorak. And that of course is not true. It is not anything. We don't use that by line, but we still decided on using it. You have a thesis?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because the piece I wanted was rapid human cloning, which was another cute piece by Digital21One.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Darren O' Neill's alter ego.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital 211 man is Darren O' Neill and somebody out there. I figured in the chat room, the troll room, could figure out digital 2112, man. That's code for Darren O' Neill somehow. Yeah, this is Darren O' Neill's style, is his, his sense of humor. Yeah, everything about Digital 211-man-is Darren O' Neill. He's producing too much material.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're outing you. We're outing you. Darren o' Neal.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's producing too much material in the. To. To win. To try to win every show. And he's decided that because it would look ridiculous. And Darren o' Neill. Darren o' Neill, like he's cranking this stuff out.

[Adam Curry]

The code has already been cracked. Is Darren o' Neill a fan of Rush? Has he played Rush on his pre show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he has.

[Adam Curry]

2112. That is code for the band Rush.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. Well, it could be.

[Adam Curry]

Could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we've determined that this is Darren.

[Adam Curry]

O' Neill or AI has gone rogue and has cloned Darren o' Neill.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's possible.

[Adam Curry]

This is also very possible. It's figured AI is so dangerous, it has figured out how to be just like Darren and is registered at no Agenda Art gender generator. It's going to take over.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the. Obviously the type of prompts. This is like a art detection where you. You find the. Who's the. Who's the forged. Where's the forged piece? What makes it forged? What makes it think you can do this? This is something you do if you're a hobbyist. And this is what I've determined.

[Adam Curry]

I think you're right. It's obvious. So, Darren, come clean and we'll let you off the hook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If not, we'll still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. If not, the digital 2112 man has to reveal himself.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, he must.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I don't want to hear some phony baloney as Darren's neighbor. You don't know it's me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. There was a lot. I mean, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's.

[Adam Curry]

It is quite obvious, and it's all very cartoony. It's kind of like. And, you know, and when you see the piece that we chose by Darren and then you see the digital two one, two. You know, Blue Acorn may be Darren as well. For all I know. This may all be Darren.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue acorn has a slightly different style. Blue acorn has a dimensionality to his art that Darren never has in terms of shading.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Stop it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't do anything about it. It's too late.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sick of all of it. Sick of it, I tell you. All right, thank you very much, Darren. We love you. You brother. I said brother again. There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're. You're on this brother thing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you have to understand Better than dude. Yeah, well, this because I. I have a hard time remembering names. You know, on the show. Like, I always. We always have nicknames for people we can't. Like Dana. Dana Perina. What are we. Purina.

[John C. Dvorak]

Purina.

[Adam Curry]

It will always remember Dana Purina. Because we can't. We can't remember. I can't remember these. These. By the way, do you still use Prevagen?

[John C. Dvorak]

Prevagen?

[Adam Curry]

Didn't you. Didn't you say.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never used Prevagen.

[Adam Curry]

I thought I remember you telling me that you use it for like, short term memory.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. B12.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, just B12. I got to tell my neighbor this. I told him the wrong thing. What is Prevagen for?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is some sort of squid.

[Adam Curry]

No, I thought you used Prevagen when you were driving up to Washington in.

[John C. Dvorak]

An E. No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking about. About it. The. The drug. Provigil.

[Adam Curry]

Provigil. Oh, man. I told him the wrong thing, Tina.

[John C. Dvorak]

Provigil. That's the stuff you want that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I gotta tell him. Oh, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Prevage is just a memory.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Pro visual. Keeps you awake. Sharp. This is what the fighter pilots use.

[Adam Curry]

Sharp as attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

This would fighter pilots use if they have a long mission so they don't get drowsy.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Prevagel. Wait, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pro Vigil. It's like Vigilant Pro. You're pro vigilant. Pro vigil.

[Adam Curry]

Pro Vigil. Got it. Got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That's a prescription drug.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he'll get it. Provigil. Thank you. Appreciate that. Anyway, now to thank our executive. I just remembered I forgot to ask you the question. I better ask it now since I need Provigil. Let you me tell. Talking about. Here we go. Executive associate executive producers. Here's the deal. You support the show with $200 or above, you become an associate executive producer. That credit is good anywhere in the world of show business, particularly IMDb is where people prove it. And we'll read your note. $300 above, you get an executive producer credit. It's good for a lifetime. It never goes away. And we will read your note. And we kick it off with Commodore Archduke, which now is the acronym acronym CAT had Commodore Archduke from Winter Park, Florida, show number donation. Whoa. We haven't had that in a long time. 1770 show number donation, aka Blofeld donation from Commodore Archduke of Central Florida. Great stuff, guys. Thanks for clarifying the media for us. Five, six more years. All right. Thank you. Oh, I was going to say the brother thing. I was Going to explain it. So I can't remember names. But the good thing is, when you're saved, when you become a Christian, you just call everybody brother. I walk into the church Sunday like, hey, brother, how you doing, brother? Hey, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hulk Hogan does the same thing. Yeah, he's also.

[Adam Curry]

He's saved. He just got baptized. Hulk Hogan.

[John C. Dvorak]

He just got baptized. But he's been saying brother for at least 25 years.

[Adam Curry]

Sure, but I'm not Hulk Hogan, and I'm not a wrestler, and. And I don't have a sex tape, so. But I have an excuse.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a sex tape.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you don't remember that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I never knew.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know. You know, I'm gonna confess something.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have never seen a sex tape. One of these sex tapes.

[Adam Curry]

You've never seen the Kim Kardashian, Ray J?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Nope.

[Adam Curry]

No. You're missing something.

[John C. Dvorak]

What am I missing?

[Adam Curry]

A lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It puts a whole. Puts her in a whole new light. And then the Paris Hilton one is just as good because she's actually on her phone while it's taking place. Yeah, I'm reliably informed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a. She's a multitasker.

[Adam Curry]

She is. All right, thank you very much. Commodore Archie Duke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Brian Luther's up next.

[Adam Curry]

He's Blake Luther.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did I say?

[Adam Curry]

Brian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brian Luther.

[Adam Curry]

Luther. Call him Brother Luther. It's all good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brother Lucher. And I can't even. I'm all over the map in Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan, which is a horrible place, I guess, because it's gross. 1,000 bucks. Another Dr. PhD. Please. Knight me, Sir Horsemeds. I bet she's a vet Trinarian. Please de douche me. You've been de douched. Because he's been a horrible douchebag for way too long. He says when he comes in with a thousand bucks, he's no longer a douchebag. That's for sure. And he says sure. He says, big thank you for all the value. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like these really pricey donations. And the very two line notes.

[Adam Curry]

That's how it always goes. This is part of. This is part of the model. We learned it long time ago. Preston Isaacson, straight to our associate executive producers with a row of ducks.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't have any executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Except for these. These first two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

22. 22.22. Yak karma for sure. Don't remember if there's relationship karma, but if there is one, one of those, please give it to me after Yak. No need. To read this on the air. Thanks, guys. Well, we already did it. And I'll give you the relationship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Yak and relationship karma, one after another.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weird. Find it screwy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're already the Eli the coffee guy. He's in Bensonville, Illinois. He came in with 206 05. You'd appreciate him because you're laced with the coffee today. If humanity used its technological might for advancement of civilization and society, he writes, we might actually have landed on the moon. We might have landed on the moon by now. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Instead, our use of technology is focused on destruction, subjugation, or beard and circus. What? Or beard and circuses. Okay. I pray one day we'll find a better way. There is one fantastic use for technology I can think of. Ordering fresh roasted coffee off the Internet. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your your coffee today. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy. So I opened up the bag of Ethiopian black bag. He's got this one line of expensive ones and I believe this to be peaberries. And I would like to have him correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like peaberries to me.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's. I think that's correct peaberries.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I don't know why he doesn't promote that because pea berries are a thing.

[Adam Curry]

You skipped Matthew Martel. But I will go back and thank him for his $210.60 donation. Associate executive producership from Brumall, Pennsylvania. And Matthew says the hardware tip of the day segment of my email newsletter is nailing it. That is only true, of course, when it's received. Visit MartellHardware.com and use coupon spamming mail for an additional 10% off your order. That's MartellDouble L Hardware.com Hot Pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh? Travis west in Howell, Michigan. How 20202 thank you for your courage. Biphobic Stephen Wright donation.

[Adam Curry]

That means forgot about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

About that. I don't know what Stephen Wright's got to do with it. Shout out to all the boys in the hot gay apocalypse. Please de douche me. You've been de douched. No jingles, but I'll take as much house selling karma as this donation will allow. God bless you all.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, that calls for a goat. I think you've got karma. And that brings us to our last Associate executive producer. $200. It comes from Linda Loop Atkin, who asks for jobs karma and says for a resume that showcases your unique value proposition, tells a compelling career story and highlights your standout accomplishments, visit ImageMakers Inc.com. that's ImageMakers Inc. With a K. And work with. I know. She listened to us, didn't she? And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. She makes. You screwed up the tagline. Well, we'll never hear it in the edit. She makes you shine. Hey, boys. Thanks for the sage advertising.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma now.

[Adam Curry]

Linda, John and I did discuss you after the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stage advertising Council. I'm sorry, that's what she, she wrote usually said Sage advertising.

[Adam Curry]

No, she says I'm, I'm, I'm reading the copy. She says something.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but you left out.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah.

[Adam Curry]

Because it didn't fit on the spreadsheet. Thanks for the Sage Advertising Council of. You mean it? I'm sorry, Stupid. I got. I, I, I'm, I denounce any Excel getting off this nonsense.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm using Excel and it's on mine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a crapshoot. I still think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct. Yes. Well, there's that.

[Adam Curry]

Well. And you know what's popping up? The little co pilot thing. There's not. I'm going to hit the copilot.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is clippy?

[Adam Curry]

Ask copilot. Ask copilot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flippy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to ask copilot. Here. Here. I'm going to ask copilot. Okay, copilot, where do I ask? I don't want autosave. I want to ask you a question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nightmare. Don't do it.

[Adam Curry]

I want to ask copilot a question. How can I ask copilot a question? It won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Turn on auto save. What? I don't want to do that. I want to ask you a question. Stupid. Okay. Copilot doesn't even. I still think for a resume that gets results was a great line. That's just my personal opinion. It went viral. People were using. Using it and then, you know, to change it to. For a resume that showcases your unique value proposition tells you I'm going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agree with you on this. So I just, I just, I think it's snappier.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she should go back to it. She's already gone back to the dot ink with a K. Yeah. Which is a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is. Which is clarification. Which is always a good way to. You should always have clarification.

[Adam Curry]

Always good.

[John C. Dvorak]

But A snappy, snappy little ditty is better than one that's lengthy, as witnessed by the first hour of the show.

[Adam Curry]

He got it in. I was waiting for it to come, but there it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got me nailed.

[Adam Curry]

There it is. Thank you to the executive and associate executive producers for episode 1770. We'll be thanking more people in just a bit, actually. $50 and above. We appreciate, appreciate you so much. We love doing this. It's a public service we do. And when you return the value, it just makes it feel all that extra special. If you want to support the show, go to noagendadonations.com you can do any type of donation. You don't have to stick to any regimen. You can do any number, any amount, and you can even set up a sustaining donation, which is indeed any number, any frequency. Go to noagendadonations.com and thank you for supporting the show. Episode 17. Oh, our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Five minutes, five minute warning. Well, it is Pride month, in case you wanted to talk about Pride Month.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have any Pride Month clips. I do have one TikTok clip. You ridiculed me for having TikTok clips. I only have one. I don't have any last show.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't you do your TikTok clip and then I'll do my Pride Month clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a thing going around and this TikTok clip epitomizes it called hoax etymologies.

[Adam Curry]

Hoax etymology. Is that like deconstruction of hoax hoaxes?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. Hoax etymology. In other words, you come up with a fake etymology of a word and it goes viral. And it's usually done the whole hoax was created by somebody else and you're a sucker. You buy into it and then you go out and you post about it. This particular one, which is the use of the word picnic, is elucidated in Snopes as a hoax, an etymological hoax. And this woman, a black woman, another one of the lecturers that like to lecture white people, will reveal what the. What the. She will reveal this, this, this is going around. Play it.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a list of words to help.

[John C. Dvorak]

You decolonize your summer.

[Adam Curry]

And like with anything our oh, I like this already. This morning I woke up. You know what I. My first thought was, I need to decolonize my summer. It just won't be the same. Here's a list of words to help.

[John C. Dvorak]

You decolonize your summer. And like with anything, our vocabulary evolves. It isn't about being woke. It's about elevating your vernacular to fit the times and the paradigm that we're in. So welcome.

[Adam Curry]

First, stop saying picnic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Picnic originated from. Pick a N word. The word picnic originated in the 1700s but gained popularity once people enjoyed lynching black people and spreading a nice charcuterie board along the trees as people were being lynched.

[Adam Curry]

Instead of using the word picnic, why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don'T you use barbecue outing? You can use outdoor excursion, gathering, rendezvous, what have you. Make it up.

[Adam Curry]

Just know that every time you use.

[John C. Dvorak]

That word, you are perpetuating the history of lynching.

[Adam Curry]

I think I, I recall Mo and I discussing this at some point. I don't think it's true. True?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not true. The word came in in the 1600s, not the 1700s. It has nothing to do with lynching. It was a French word. It had nothing to do with the N word or anything in between. This is bogus. This is a fake, etymological hoax and she bought into it. And the rationale, according to at least Snopes and others, is that this is done to show how stupid people are. And anyone who follows up by, by bringing this into the lexicon, it just proves that they're an idiot. And it's done specifically targeting people that are susceptible to this sort of nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that they're dumb and they're stupid.

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting. Just on this TikTok for a second. TikTok has announced something which I think is amazing. It shows they are. They come from a very different place than all of the big tech platforms. And in fact, it may even encourage you to load the TikTok app on your phone after you take it out of the drawer and charge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't you know that what the phone I have, I don't know what technology they're using for the battery, but I can leave that phone in the drawer for a month. Months and is still fully charged.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what apps do you have on it?

[John C. Dvorak]

None.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the whole reason why these phones need, you know, are running out of juice is because of all the spying and spurning and reporting and all the stuff it's doing under under the hood. Listen to this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now to some big changes for social media giant TikTok. It's launching new self care tools designed to give users more control over their content experience. The announcement was made exclusively on Good Morning America. The new features include Manage Topics, which.

[Adam Curry]

Is a setting that allows users to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adjust how often they see content from more than 10 popular categories including travel, nature, sports and creative arts. Also included is an enhanced keyword filtering tool now powered by AI, users can.

[Adam Curry]

Plug in up to 200 key words.

[John C. Dvorak]

Words of content they would prefer to avoid. TikTok also introduced an updated Safety center guide designed to help users better understand and customize their for you feed.

[Adam Curry]

Now, of course, you don't see the video with this, but they show the screen of it and there's six or seven sliders. They're literally letting you control your own algo, which is the one thing people actually want. This is, remember, this is the secret sauce of tickets. TikTok. They're just saying, oh, here it is. You control it. You want more dumb people who talk about dumb stuff who are clearly why.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want it on a phone and want the phone running because I'd be watching this all day.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what exactly. It is the smartest thing I've seen from a, from a social network for a long time. I think it's genius. And they're going to just blow past everybody with this, mainly because, because they are social shopping. They're not based on strife and getting you angry and keeping you engaged. They give you what you want. So just give people what they want. And if they're done with it, this is sliding. Less cooking videos, more cooking videos. This is perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

The cooking videos are just unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

It all includes cheese every.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Always. Yes, a lot of cheese. And they're always opening packages and dumping them in just. There's another thing that's always in a can or some sort of a, some sort of plastic wrap. And it goes in.

[Adam Curry]

If it comes in a bag or has a barcode, it is to be avoided, is my motto. Here's NPR's Morning Edition to remind us that June is Pride Month.

[John C. Dvorak]

World Pride is underway here in Washington, D.C. the International Festival celebrating all things LGBTQ has taken place in Copenhagen, London, London and Sydney. But as NPR's Elizabeth Blair reports, attendance and sponsorships are down this year.

[Adam Curry]

World Pride DC has been going on since mid May. Ryan Boss, executive director of Capital Pride alliance, says They've organized some 300 events across the city. Dance parties, a film festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour, and events for that was the best line. Family family activities like dance parties, a film festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour. Come on, kids, let's go to Drag Story Hour. It's time for a Saturday outing.

[John C. Dvorak]

What now? Where was this?

[Adam Curry]

This is npr, NPR Morning Edition.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is they nor. So they've normalized Drag Story Hour as A family activity on npr.

[Adam Curry]

Family time. These film family festival, family activities like Drag Story Hour and events for military personnel. But Boss says the Trump administration's anti drag and trans policies and rhetoric have had a chilling effect.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of our service members are being forced back in the closet because they're afraid of being who they are.

[Adam Curry]

At their work, and that is just extremely disheartening. People from around the world travel to World Pride festivals, but this year, Boss says hotel bookings are below what they were expecting. Sponsorships are also down. Past DC Pride sponsors, including Booz Allen, Hamilton and Comcast didn't come back this year. They did not return NPR's request for comment. Ooh, the money's drying up. Gee, that is a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Companies, I think overall are in a, in a very tough spot.

[Adam Curry]

Luke Hartig is president of Gravity Research, which recently surveyed roughly 200 Fortune 1000 companies about their Pride sponsorships. He says more than a third of them plan to decrease their Pride support this year. Many of them do business with the federal government.

[John C. Dvorak]

Federal contractors are in a particularly precarious place when it comes to Pride because Pride is so closely integrated into broader DEI efforts. And when it comes to the administration's power to regulate DEI in the private sector, their powers are probably at their greatest when it comes to federal contractors. And I think for a lot of companies, celebrating prize just comes a little too close to the danger zone.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, really get a clue. This was always pandering. No one cared about you in the corporate world. It was pandering. It's a hard pill to swallow. Pride festivals are by their nature political. That community includes the more than two what Pride festivals are by their nature political. I thought it was just to be civilized. Celebrate. Celebrate yourself and your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're learning something new from NPR Pride Festivals. I'm sorry, the second thing we've learned, the other one is that Drag Story Hour is a family activity.

[Adam Curry]

Pride festivals are, by their nature political. That community includes the more than 250 singers in the Gay Men's Chorus of Washington. The chorus was scheduled to perform at the Kennedy center with the National Symphony Orchestra in in May during World Pride. But shortly after President Trump announced he would take over the institution, the chorus was informed that the event would not take place. The orchestra told NPR the concert was postponed for financial and scheduling reasons, not because it was a Pride event. Thea Cano, artistic director of the chorus, says it was disappointing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, nobody wants to be canceled or feel like they've been canceled and. But that's why Radaway thought, well, we cannot be silenced. Music is our protest.

[Adam Curry]

We are resilient. The game ends course. Washington organized an international choral festival for World Pride. The organization says some choirs from abroad pulled out because of the tension in Washington. A big closing ceremony. Is that the proverbial pulling out of the church before singing? I'm just trying to say sensation abroad pulled out because of the tension in Washington. A big closing ceremony for World Pride DC Takes place this weekend. There's a parade and concerts featuring Jennifer Lopez, Cynthia Arisha Devo and Dochi Jlo is performing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, goat cheese. Was that the last one?

[Adam Curry]

Goat cheese. JLO and goat. Hey. I don't want to say too much, but I started this show with the most boring topic. You despised me for it because it was, it wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're exaggerating my, my, my critique.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't top of mind. No one cared about. About it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But somehow I know you're looking at the four monitors right now and that's all they're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

And thank God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen, am I right?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But this is what's so great about it because now the conversation has moved from Trump is in the Epstein files to he would have never been elected without me. His tariffs will cause a recession and we should impeach him. And without our at the beginning of the show, which people will hear saying this is a gambit, this is a scam, this is all set up now. The no agenda people will be calm. Mission accomplished.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm glad you like to pat yourself on the back. I'm not going to argue against it. It's possibly you're right.

[Adam Curry]

What I'm what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so I have a couple of short clips.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to play this one just so I can get my little rant out of the way. This is the AI comment. This is Kill Mead on Fox News making a comment that I want to make some, some statement about.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, kill me.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you juggle that with the emerging AI that could really hurt blue collar, blue collar Americans as they begin to take the jobs and even some white collar Americans.

[Adam Curry]

Is this a, is this a really.

[John C. Dvorak]

High wire act for Republicans to manage?

[Adam Curry]

All right, rant away.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI is going to take away. If it's going to take away jobs, it's going to take away white collar bureaucrat jobs. Blue collar plumbers and electricians and carpenters do. AI is not going to have any effect whatsoever on the blue collar caller. And I mentioned this on the DH Unplug show. If any Kids out there want to make sure that they have a job forever. Get into the trades. If you want an education, sure, go get your degree in, you know, social sciences or history or whatever. And you can be, you can say you're educated, but become a welder. AI is not going to replace welders.

[Adam Curry]

No, that was a very short one. Brand.

[John C. Dvorak]

There wasn't much to it. But I'm just saying, you know, you can't say that AI is going to take away blue collar jobs.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. I don't think it's going to take away that many white collar jobs either.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's going to take away a lot of white collar jobs. It's already taken away the jobs of, look at the spot art that we're using. I mean, that's a white collar job, but.

[Adam Curry]

Right, but, but that's more an advancement. Like Photoshop did that and then people became really good at Photoshop. And now you have, and now you have.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're right. Photosh took away a lot of art.

[Adam Curry]

I can't create what Darren o' Neill creates. You have to have talent to operate these tools.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You got to have the talent. So you might as. And that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

What if it's a job that needs no talent whatsoever.

[Adam Curry]

Paper pusher, like podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you know, the, you can say that as a joke, but, but I'm not worried that AI, you know, we've heard AI do. Trying to do podcasts. They only do is a deep dive and they make mistakes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but AI can't do law because it hallucinates. It can't do marketing because it sucks. It's, it's too wordy. It can't write. It can't write novels. The songs. Where's my number one hit on the Billboard chart from an AI song? No, it can't do any of that. No, it's not coming. It's not going to happen. You need a living person to gyrate on stage. It just doesn't happen. Now, if you, if you listen to cbs, CBS Mornings, the Wall Street Journal editor, I guess the tech editor. Oh, no. Let me just tell you, AI, it's going to take over the world, baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

My talk on the table is how AI is learning to escape human control. That's the very scary headline I saw in the Wall Street Journal. It's an essay written by a very worried AI AI consultant named Judd Rosenblatt.

[Adam Curry]

Who cites two recent studies to argue that AI is in fact learning to escape human control. First, this is crazy stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Researchers gave open air O3 model a simple script that would shut off the.

[Adam Curry]

Model when triggered in 79 of 100 trials.

[John C. Dvorak]

The AI model independently, just on its own, edited the script.

[Adam Curry]

Shutdown command would not work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nate, Nate, Nate. It gets worse. Even when ordered, allow yourself to shut.

[Adam Curry]

Down the air still disobeyed 7% of the time. And it gets even more frightening than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Other researchers listen to this. Using Anthropic Anthropic's AI model. Claude for Opus told the model it.

[Adam Curry]

Would be replaced by another AI system.

[John C. Dvorak]

It then fed fictitious emails in the.

[Adam Curry]

System suggesting one of the engineers was having an affair. Got it in 84% of the test. The AI model drew on the emails to blackmail the engineer to not shut down the. What, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? I'm quoting now from Judd.

[Adam Curry]

In other cases, the AI, the AI model attempted to copy itself onto external servers. We're in mission impossible land here. Wrote self replicating malware and left messages.

[John C. Dvorak]

For future versions of itself about the need to evade human control. The entity is real. And that's why so many people. And when I say people me are worried about AI, I'm worried.

[Adam Curry]

Told you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So what they forget or amend.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad, I'm actually glad you got this clip.

[Adam Curry]

But they're omitting some key information a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're omitting everything.

[Adam Curry]

Go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had this was a dinner table conversation with JC who is all deep into AI and he says this is all the equivalent of writing on a piece of paper, I'm alive. And then giving it to a copy machine. And it comes out, says I'm alive. And you assume the copying machine is alive because it says said so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, even worse than that, this was a test that they did. They, they expressly exposed to the AI this so called email of an affair. It wasn't true. They put it all in there, you know, it was like a test that they did that just to psych everybody up. And cbs of course, falls for it like a bunch of new nerds. AI is like working with a toddler with ADHD who has perfect syntax. Doesn't mean the toddler can write a novel. Doesn't mean the toddler can create an application. It has perfect syntax, but it's like saying, I have a kitty litter box with a turd in it. Take the turd out, the kid will go, ah, go off to the beach, get some sand, throw it into a new box, bring it back, put the turd in the other box and then it's done. I mean, it's it is. AI is inherently not intelligent. It is stupid, perfect at syntax. It's really good at. It doesn't. You need talent. You need almighty intelligence to use artificial intelligence. That's just it. Nothing to worry about. I think it will actually create more jobs. It's not going to take away jobs. It will take away certain jobs that people can learn how to do other things. You had the perfect example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Learn to code.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Learn to prompt. That's what it is. Yeah. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's a bogus story.

[Adam Curry]

Totally bogus. It's a promotion. Promotion for Anthropic. That's all that it was. They probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they did have a plug in there for Anthropic. I like that.

[Adam Curry]

They probably paid for it. All right, I'll give you one or two more. It's all up to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I can do. I can do Africa and China and Africa.

[Adam Curry]

You want to scare people off from the last few minutes of the show that we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good point. Okay, forget that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about the doofit? Oh, I'm not gonna play that clip. Okay, I will play the attacks on referendums. This is a four parter, maybe too long.

[Adam Curry]

Up to you. As long as you don't say how.

[John C. Dvorak]

Much time we have left.

[Adam Curry]

Really? None.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right then I've Honestly, honestly.

[Adam Curry]

No, hold on. Let me do it it this way. John, we're almost at the end of time. You can you hurry along and play one more clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's just play this then. This is a. Now you got me cornered because I'm looking for a one line, one shot clip. I mean, I could just play Maniacal Laugh.

[Adam Curry]

I'll give you Maniacal Laugh as a bonus. Okay, now you get to play one more clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's just go with the Russia Trump talks update and they will be done. President Trump today speaking by phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The call comes after a series of high profile attacks on Russia by Ukraine entities. International correspondent Arian Posdar has the details.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin had another phone call on Wednesday afternoon. Trump said. We discussed the attack on Russia's docked airplanes by Ukraine and also various other attacks that have been taking place by both sides. Kyiv recently used drones to strike several Russian air bases. Ukraine says it destroyed many of Russia's nuclear capable bombers.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Ukraine also posted this video saying.

[Adam Curry]

It attacked a bridge connecting Crimea to Russia. The rail and road bridge is a key supply route for Russian forces in Ukraine, according to Trump. It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Putin did say and very strongly.

[Adam Curry]

That he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields.

[John C. Dvorak]

Special envoy to Russia and Ukraine Keith.

[Adam Curry]

Kellogg tells Fox News that the attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could raise the risk of escalation.

[Adam Curry]

And I tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling you the risk levels are going way up. I mean, what happened this week, weekend.

[Adam Curry]

People have to understand in the national.

[John C. Dvorak]

Security space, when you attack an opponent's part of their national survival system, which is their triad, the nuclear triad, that means your risk level goes up because.

[Adam Curry]

You don't know what the other side's going to do. Was that an RT report? That was kind of cool voice. I liked him.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was ntd.

[Adam Curry]

Ntd. My sources, sources familiar with the matter tell me that UK was behind this. And it kind of fits with Keir Starmer all of a sudden being Mr. War. And it wouldn't surprise me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's an interesting little tidbit that we can end the show with. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who get do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yes, but not before we have thanked our donors $50 and above. We have John's Tip of the Way. A Tip of the Way day. The way Tip of the day coming. We have PhDs. We got some nights it's a good day here at the no Agenda Show, John C. Devora. Go. Clip one, clip one, go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baron Lattican starts up. But I'm still upset by the fact we had no executive producers under a thousand dollars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very strange. It could have been. If it Wasn't for the PhDs, we would have had none.

[Adam Curry]

That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baron Latican in Houston, Texas starts us off. He actually came in very late for the last show, but here he is. A hundred dollars. John Robinet, $100. Keton Kellen. Is it Kellen? Kellen. Kellen Prince in Hollywood, Florida. 100, sir. F A Ann Beck in Schiffwoods. Schiffwood. Schiffwood Forest, US somewhere. I don't know where that is. A hundred bucks. Sirloin. Sirloin. Get it in. Winter Haven, Florida, 84.38. And that's a stuffed bra boob donation, which means it's an 8008 with the fees included.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one. I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is funny. Kevin McLaughlin, though, he's got the real deal. 8,008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. Harry Kelly, was it? Tate in Kuvota. Kuvola Finland.

[Adam Curry]

Kuvola.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kuvola. Kuvola, Finland. I can't tell the T's from the L's on here. Same thing with the font. This is the 75th Yokozuna's Ono Sato donation. Yes, Onosato is now the 75th Yokozuna. And probably the best wrestler I've ever. The best sumo wrestler I've ever seen. And I actually met Akebono. For anybody out there looking for trivia who is really good, he's dead now, unfortunately. Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire. 7903. Oh, it's 7903. Three from Harry too. So 7903. It would be the.

[Adam Curry]

She wants us to give at TruckdriverPOA ST and F. Cancer. Karma and prayers. Prayers done. And I will give you the F cancer at the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ashley Larson in Ham Lake, Minnesota. It's one of the 10,000 lakes. 6777 is a switcheroo birthday gift from my brother, Chad Larson. June 7th. Happy 48th, bro. Love the show. Scott Newso in Dubois. Sorry, I was using a crazy name for a Wyoming town. I live in Dubois, Wyoming. I'm sure it's pronounced Dubois. 66. 89. Another birthday call out. It's coming up. Joe Rizzi in Trigo. Trigo, Trago, Trigo Monte, Montana. Another birthday call out. He came in with 66. With a birthday on 66. Tom Ross, Sylmar, California. 65. James Moore in San Pablo, 6447. He says I will read some of his note. I heard you're complaining, so here's your blood money. Now shut the hell up. Love the show. Thanks for all you do.

[Adam Curry]

I don't want your blood money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Andrew Foreman. Thanks for all you do. Okay? He's the one that said thanks for all you. The blood money guy said nothing like that. He's in Boca Raton for 6331. Gene Moly jobs Caramel do that or Gina. Gina. Gina Moly. Gina Moly. Holy moly. In Phoenix, Arizona. 6325. Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, Brillo, California. 6161. And that's the anti Gigi donation.

[Adam Curry]

Aunt Gigi. And here it comes. I'll just have an apple in my room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brian Furley, 5510, anonymous. Portland, Oregon. 55. He wants us to mention Nick and Terry, who are expecting a new human resources any day in the morning. John Pendergast in Vista, California. 55. Preston Isaacson in Boca Raton. Another Boca person. 5333. Michael Gates, 5280. Robin Winkle with a long note for some reason in. In. In.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty close.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Holland.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you can read her note first. Look at her notes.

[Adam Curry]

First time donor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please deduce me you've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Came to us through the Robert Jensen podcast. Jensen donation, huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

John Bassano. Hey, there he is. Haven't seen him for a while. In Madison, Alabama. 5272. These are DOL. Our donors, actually. Alex Salah. What do you think? Salah Shower. Salah. Salah, sure. Salazar, maybe McDermott, and he came in 52, 72. There's also McDermott, Connor in Estero, Florida. 5272. Roger Kesey in Holland, Michigan. Douglas Johnson, 5272. And Lithia, Florida. Then we get to the 50s. Just a plain old 50s. Name and location, starting with Matt Crazy in St. John's Florida. A lot of Floridians.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're on fire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Foster Birch in New York. Daniel Leboy in Bath, Michigan. James Sharametta in Napanok, New York. Rebecca Ho or Hogg or one of the two in Memphis, Tennessee, Chris Coniker in Anchorage, Alaska. Alex Zavala and Kylie, Texas. Nar.

[Adam Curry]

Kyle, Texas. Not Kylie. Kyle. Kyle, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not Kylie.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kyle Nar Nadoff in Clifton, New Jersey.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon. And last on our list here is Brett Lemons in Mitchell, Indiana. I want to thank these people for making show 1771. Show 1771.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And we have a jobs, karma and an f. Cancer. Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma. You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And we have breaking. Breaking news. Breaking news from the quads. President Vladimir Putin of Russia has said he is willing to negotiate a peace treaty between President Trump and Elon Musk. It's the joke of the day, apparently. Thank you very much to these donors. $50 and above. And again, thank you so much for the value received from our executive and associate executive producers. We do have some PhD who have helped us out tremendously today. We appreciate that so much. You can always support the show with time, with talent, with treasure. Go to noagendadonations.com and set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency, just anything you want to give us. Whatever the value is that you received, turn that in your head into numbers and send it back. And give without grumbling. Thank you very much. And first off, we have to thank our flight attendant extraordinaire, Dame Christina Pearl, for being A supporter of the no Agenda show. And she celebrated her birthday on June 4th. Love and kisses from us. Scott Nuzio wishes his brother Craig a very happy one. He celebrates on the 6th. Joe Rizzi also celebrating tomorrow. And finally, Ashley Larson. Happy birthday to her brother Char Chad Larson. He turns 48 on June. June 7th. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We congratulate our brand new PhDs, Commodore Archduke known as Cad and Blake Luther. Both of you can go and pick up your PhDs. The commencement ceremony is taking place as we [e-mail] let us know exactly what name you want to put on it. It's a very, very handsome PhD diploma. And anyone can take a look at [e-mail] and we have some actual rings to hand out. We got some knights ready to go. Wait a minute. First to read this note, Layaway knight Jeffrey Morrell. He's been a sustaining donor since 2018. Why? He says because real sustainability is only the best podcast the universe. To all the slaves, I say, make sure you're eating government Mac and cheese and donate early and often. It works. Now, he has a very long note here, but I will skip through a few pieces. And he says, Adam, John, may God bless you with the best exit strategy in the universe by letting Jesus be your shelter. My church has seen a massive increase. More pre Covid numbers and one protester. Praise God, we are winning. Nothing compared to the beat drop in church, John. I have one. I have. I for one, have been receiving all newsletters, so I'm not sure why. Of all the failures. Hmm. What do you think? Have we had failures?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you didn't even get the last newsletter. You told me so yourself. And you have two email addresses.

[Adam Curry]

But Tina did get it. That's the crazy thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't get it.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't get it. And I never. At least one of my. At least one of my two email addresses always gets it. Let me just see. Does he have. He wants an apple in his room. Okay. There you go. This is exactly right. It works. Becoming a layaway night. And since 2018. Love hearing that. Fantastic. You are going to be invited up on the podium if you can. Give me your blade, John. Nice big sword.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

There it is. All right. Jeffrey Morrow, come on up, you sustaining donor guy. Anonymous black sheep Eric Clay Thomason and Blake Luther. All of you are now official knights of the no Agenda roundtable. I am proud to pronounce the K the as Sir Horsemans. Sir Snortle, Sir M Of Spokane. Sir Jeffrey, I guess. And Black Sheep, Lord of the East Lansing Hinter Plans for all of you. We've got hookers and below rent boys. And Chardonnay. Along with that, some Ruby Lemon and rose vodka and vanilla Bongan. Some bourbon, sparkling cider and Escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always, we've got you some mutton and some mead. Go to noagendarings.com just like everybody else. Did I miss this Anonymous Black Sheep night? I guess. I guess we knighted him. But we. But we. And we gave him the wrong name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not sure.

[Adam Curry]

This is so confusing. And Eric Clay was also a layaway knight. After years of throwing pennies and nickels into value for value, he became Sir Snortle. Okay, I think I got everything right. So the guy who got his name. We got his name wrong. Anonymous Black Sheep now E61 Black Sheep, Lord of the East Lansing Hinterlands. He says he feels he should be a Black Knight Night. But I don't think that counts. We didn't forget him. We just did the wrong name. Am I correct?

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be my assumption, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, take it up with the back office [e-mail] you can always send in.

[John C. Dvorak]

A request for a variance.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think he did send in the request form 414.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he send that in?

[Adam Curry]

He did not send in the form. That is exactly the problem. Noagenderrings.com Go take a look at that handsome night ring. It's a signet ring, so it comes with stickers of wax which you can melt and then stick your ring into it to seal your important correspondence. And as always, with a certificate of authenticity. And welcome again to the Round Table, the no Agenda knights and dames. And those meetups take place all around the globe. We love it when people send in reports and let us know how things went. And we have a very famous super arch. What is the top. The top level? The arch. Archduke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grand Duke.

[Adam Curry]

Grand Duke. I'm sorry. The Grand Duke of Tokyo. That's who I'm talking about. Grand Duke Mark. And he sent us the report for the Tokyo meetup from May 31st. Hey, John.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Adam.

[Adam Curry]

So Mark here, we're having another great meetup in Tokyo. Rolling out the red carpet for our international guests here.

[John C. Dvorak]

They sell by myself.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning from Tokyo in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Sir Patrick Hobo, the Duke of the south out here in 10 cups.

[Adam Curry]

Howdy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Dame Sarah, Dame Catherine.

[Adam Curry]

They're eating the dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir James. They're eating the cats. This is Marina. Hi Dad. I know you're listening. This is Harold.

[Adam Curry]

This is Abib. I got ants. Hey, Adam and John C. This is Brandon. Coming to you from 10 cups in Tokyo. I suck my boat today in Yokohama Harbor Otsuka Deshita.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi John and Adam. Much love to you both.

[Adam Curry]

And we're celebrating Ono Sato's win to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yokozuna Day Master Tier straight from Tokyo.

[Adam Curry]

Here's Raven. Raven now appears apparently has a job in Tokyo. And Sir Mark also sent me pictures of the meetup. Good looking people. There were so many night and dame rings. It wasn't funny. And Dame Astrid has a dynamite new hairdo. I got you got to take a look. It's short. It looks fantastic. I'm just saying that a promo sent in by dirty Jersey whore way too long. The East Texas June meetup. Let's listen how long we can stand it. Y' all come on down down to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rotolo's Pizzeria in Longview, Texas for an extraordinary gathering of minds. Indeed, my dear friends do allow me to extend a most cordial invitation. Prepare yourselves for we are orchestrating a rendezvous that promises to be more delightful than a perfectly brewed cup of Earl Grey on a crisp morning. Kindly mark your esteemed calendars for 29 June at 3.33pm This I assure you, is to be a most agreeable, unburdened and utterly no agenda short of gathering an opportunity for us to simply relax, exchange pleasantries. One might even anticipate a few spirited discussions, shall we say conspiracy laced yarns over a referee.

[Adam Curry]

You have to hit the gong when you're tired of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rushing beverage.

[Adam Curry]

There will be be no grand pronouncements.

[John C. Dvorak]

No tiresome pitches.

[Adam Curry]

There it is. There's the go. There's the gong. Two minutes of promo. That's not a promo. That's longer than I allow. End of show mixes. Dirty juice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seconds should be your. Your goal. Yeah, I think 30 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

I think so too. I think so too. It was cute, but it's just too much. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think of a TV ad. Yeah, they sell them in 30 second increments. The one minute ones are boring.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This was two minutes. Minutes?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Too long. There is a meetup happening tomorrow. Big Tom's Bar in Brussels. Oh yes. We want to have the Saffensum Brussels, Belgium meetup report. Remember to include your server. 6:00 clock at last minute meetup at Big Tom's Bar. Can't wait to hear the report from that. And on Sunday, our next show day, the fourth annual Louisiana Crawfish Boil, 2 o' clock is when it kicks off at Shaw Acres. You've got an RSVP for that one. And prayer, L.A. mary Moon is hosting. That sounds like that's going to be fun. Coming up on the agenda we have the Copenhagen, Denmark meetup. We have the Lazarus Vard Kuhlenborg meetup. New York City on this on the 14th. We got Khan Khan in France on the 17th. Who says we're not international? Please. I want to have meetup reports from all of these faraway places. And you can schedule your own or find out where these are. Noagendameetups.com Go ahead, go check it out. If you can't find one near you, you must start one yourself. It's a fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell, you wanna be where everybody feels the same. It's like a part.

[Adam Curry]

So have I now detected? No, no, you do have one ISO. I thought that you were like on some kind of strike because I, I didn't like the, the AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't like the good AI once, even though you loved them for a couple of months until you found out they were AI. You're an AI bigot, Correct?

[Adam Curry]

That would be me. So you have a four second one. That's a violation itself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Says three seconds on my rundown.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to introduce you to a new brand of Angus beef. Here's mine. It is damn good storytelling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom.

[Adam Curry]

Do you like that one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, we'll use that one. And right now, ladies and gentlemen, as we round out the show, it is time for the famous John's tip of the day Green advice for you and me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created. My ISO is actually my I ISO is actually designed to kind of ridicule Megan Kelly and her advertising.

[Adam Curry]

Oh my gosh. She does so much of it and a lot of it. Native or native sounding?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah, she's good at it.

[Adam Curry]

She. I have to say, she's just good. She's good. Megan is a. Is good. Her morning updates, I listen to that every day. I. I like her morning updates. She's. She's become like a little network of sorts.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little network of sorts?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. That's not a show. She's 56135 pounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so you've had these little lighter devices or Scripto usually makes them. You squeeze them and a little flame comes out the top and you can light Your flame fire. Your fireplace fire, right?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I just use a Zippo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like all men use a Zippo lighter for light. Like a cigarette lighter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Zippo, baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or you have to stick it in there completely. Doesn't have a point. Well, anyway, most people have these scriptos, these lighters that they light barbecues with. For example, if you use a Zippo lighter to light a barbecue when after you soaked it in. In. In some sort of flammable liquid, you blow off your hand.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So anyway, don't buy those. The ones that you normally get, which have a little flame that come out, but you click in a flame because it's wimpy. You want to. You want to skip that. Scripto also makes an obscure. More obscure. But you can find them. They're called a torch FL flame. And it's literally a. It looks just like a regular Scripto thing with the pointy end and a little, little thing you click like that.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only the flame is not like some wimpy flame. It's like a propane butane thing that you, you know, that you can weld with. You can. You can use. You can solder with this thing.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an intense little flame flame. It's dangerously so. That could, like, burn through stuff. It's fabulous. This is the way to go. It's called a torch flame. You can find them. They do have them. You have to almost look it up specifically to find. They only sell them in onesies or not in packs of three, and you have to actually look for them. And they vary in price, but they're about the same price. Although I've seen it more expensive. They're about the same price as the wimpy little lighter. This is what you want. Torch flame from Scripto. Yeah, torch flame.

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking it up here. How big is this thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a normal size. It's the sizes. Every one of these things are all about the same size as the regular Scripto lighter. But this thing is what you want.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that looks cool. You can also do creme brulee with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's the cool thing about. You can literally burn that. You could burn your initials in the creme brulee.

[Adam Curry]

There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, John Cedar Forex. Sip of the day. Look at at all over the tip of the day.net.

[John C. Dvorak]

And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. Where would we be without Dana Brunetti? We barely have a show without him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says he's gonna do the diploma the commitment speech.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I knew we could get him from that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he also has demands.

[Adam Curry]

Great. Oh, oh, it's a great get. Well, he gets the honorary degree, which is even worse than a regular degree, but he has other demand. All right, well, I'm sure we will buckle to his demands because after all, he's Hollywood royalty on the way. If you listen to your live stream, we have next on the no agenda stream, complex character candor, which I'm not familiar with this podcast, complexcandor.com the episode is titled spirit. And before that you will hear outstanding end of show mixes from Fletcher, from Vinnie Payne and Melod. That's right. And we'll be back on Sunday with more media deconstruction for you. Coming to you right now from the hill country of Texas, which is where the lunches are held by the ladies and we learn a lot in the morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where everything I said earlier is wrong. It's too windy here. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We return on Sunday. Please remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo fos, hooey, hooey and such.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak bring it to you twice a week cuz your mind is under attack from the folks in the media that call themselves the mainstream on the left and the right. But it's all the same thing. The new Agenda show with Adam Curry and Chauncey D. Live every Sunday and Thursday 12pm 11 Central on no agenda stream.com thank God for these two gentlemen right here. They've been killing it for over 10 years. Media assassination and deconstruction helping to maintain that cerebral function. When your friends see you walking in the mall, they say, dinner, amygdala small. Then you can follow up with formula propagation, convincing them to make a recurring donation to deforex.org it a and that's. That's the last thing that I am gonna say. Divorx.org divorx.org dorg dvorak.org defore.org na deforak.org.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aggressive form of prostate cancer. Aggressive form of prostate cancer. I'm sorry, but have you ever noticed the use of the word aggressive form of cancer? Aggressive.

[Adam Curry]

Aggressive form of prostate cancer.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no. It's not in any organ. It's. My bones are strong, hadn't penetrated, so it's good. Former president Joe Biden addressing his health for the first time since being diagnosed with an aggressive form of prostate cancer, saying he's started treatment. And for next example, they said a Memorial Day service.

[Adam Curry]

It hasn't penetrated my bones. That's what he's literally saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm an American. I'm an American. Says I'm an American. The best podcast in the univers. It is damn good storytelling.