1771 - "Home Depotation"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show Episode 1771 - "Home Depotation"

Release Date: June 8, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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1. Introduction: Setting the Stage

00:00 - 00:30

Adam Curry opens the episode with a humorous remark about planting, immediately followed by John C. Dvorak introducing the show's theme of deconstructing media narratives. They set the tone for a critical examination of recent events, broadcasting live from Texas.

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2. Trump's Deployment of the National Guard in California

00:22 - 05:24

Adam Curry and John Dvorak delve into President Donald Trump's decision to deploy 2,000 National Guard troops to California under Title 10 authorities.

• Adam Curry (00:50): "It's authoritarianism."

• John C. Dvorak (04:39): "He's doing it in his constitutional right."

They discuss the context of ICE operations targeting migrants, emphasizing that only a small number of arrests have occurred during these raids. The hosts argue that the deployment is a legitimate federal action rather than an overreach, countering media portrayals that label it as authoritarian.

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3. Media Misrepresentation of ICE Operations

05:25 - 12:01

The hosts critique how international media, particularly the BBC and NPR, frame ICE's actions in California.

• Adam Curry (07:06): "They want to turn it around and make it about Trump somehow being Hitler."

They highlight discrepancies between media reports and on-the-ground realities, asserting that most protests are peaceful and that the National Guard's presence is misrepresented as aggressive.

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4. The El Brago Garcia Case: Due Process Concerns

12:08 - 40:11

A significant portion of the discussion centers on El Brago Garcia, a dual citizen deported to El Salvador and subsequently returned to the U.S., now facing charges in Tennessee.

• John C. Dvorak (29:11): "It's about the rule of law and due process. If you trample over his rights, you threaten the rights of everybody."

The hosts argue that Garcia's case exemplifies ICE's overreach and lack of due process, criticizing media and political narratives that downplay the legal injustices involved.

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5. World Pride Month and LGBTQ Issues Under Trump Administration

40:11 - 45:21

Adam and John discuss World Pride Month amidst the Trump administration's policies targeting LGBTQ communities.

• John C. Dvorak (44:35): "This is the year that we need to ensure that we remain visible and seen."

They argue that increased visibility of LGBTQ individuals defeats narratives that the administration aims to "erase" or marginalize these communities, emphasizing the importance of being seen to advocate for rights.

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6. AI and the US Copyright Office Turmoil

45:22 - 75:47

The conversation shifts to the upheaval within the US Copyright Office following the firing of Carla Hayden and Shira Perlmutter. They examine a critical report on generative AI and its implications for fair use.

• John C. Dvorak (163:07): "This is a real problem, especially people who go to and some people do it on this show."

The hosts express frustration over the lack of media coverage and suggest potential political motivations behind the dismissals, linking it to broader themes of media manipulation and legislative interference.

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7. Drone Warfare and Operation Spiderweb

75:48 - 114:50

A segment is dedicated to the evolving nature of warfare with the rise of drones, focusing on Operation Spiderweb—Ukrainian drone operations against Russian forces.

• Adam Curry (114:38): "This operation is very strategic and precise."

They discuss the strategic use of drones in modern conflicts, the need for the US military to adapt, and express skepticism about media narratives surrounding these operations.

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8. Operation Stork Speed and Baby Formula Regulations

114:51 - 142:00

The hosts critique "Operation Stork Speed," an initiative aimed at modernizing baby formula regulations.

• John C. Dvorak (130:18): "This is about regulating baby formula to align with nutritional advancements."

They argue that the operation represents federal overreach into personal and family matters, questioning the necessity and motivations behind stricter regulations, and expressing concerns over the influence of large corporations in this domain.

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9. Disinformation and Media Manipulation

142:00 - 175:45

Adam and John explore various instances of disinformation, including fabricated UFO narratives and questionable media reports on ICE and other government actions.

• John C. Dvorak (172:57): "Patriotism means loving your country all of the time and your government when it deserves."

They emphasize the importance of critical media consumption, warning listeners about manipulated narratives designed to obscure the truth.

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10. Community and Donor Recognition

175:46 - 212:36

The latter part of the episode is dedicated to acknowledging and thanking donors and supporters. The hosts engage in humorous interactions, recognize contributions, and promote community involvement through meetups and donations.

• Adam Curry (208:20): "Make sure you go to noagendameetups.com and let us know you are coming."

They highlight the value-for-value model, encouraging listeners to support the show financially to sustain its operations and mission.

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11. Conclusion: Final Thoughts and Humorous Wrap-Up

212:37 - End

Adam and John conclude the episode with light-hearted banter, reiterating the importance of community support and teasing upcoming content. They emphasize staying vigilant against media manipulation and encourage continued critical thinking.

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Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry (00:50): "It's authoritarianism."

• John C. Dvorak (04:39): "He's doing it in his constitutional right."

• John C. Dvorak (29:11): "It's about the rule of law and due process. If you trample over his rights, you threaten the rights of everybody."

• John C. Dvorak (44:35): "This is the year that we need to ensure that we remain visible and seen."

• John C. Dvorak (163:07): "This is a real problem, especially people who go to and some people do it on this show."

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Key Takeaways:

1. Critical Analysis of Government Actions: The hosts scrutinize government operations, particularly ICE's deployment in California, arguing that actions are often misrepresented by the media.

2. Media Skepticism: A recurring theme is distrust of mainstream and international media narratives, with a focus on uncovering underlying truths.

3. Due Process and Rights: Emphasis on the importance of due process and constitutional rights in government actions against individuals.

4. Advocacy for Visibility: Advocating for marginalized communities to remain visible as a means of protection against systemic erasure.

5. Concerns Over AI Regulation: Highlighting issues within AI development and copyright regulations, pointing to potential government overreach and lack of transparency.

6. Community Engagement: Strong focus on building a supportive community through meetups, donations, and active listener participation.

7. Humorous Interactions: The hosts maintain a light-hearted and humorous tone, balancing serious discussions with entertaining banter.

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Note: This summary captures the essence and key discussions of No Agenda Show Episode 1771 - "Home Depotation." For a more immersive experience, listening to the full episode is recommended.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

All right, this is the time of the year to plant Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

John c. Dvorak. Sunday, June 8, 2025. This is your award winning Get My Nation Media Assassination Episode 1771. This is no Agenda cutting through the crud and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where they've called out the National Guards. It's authoritarianism. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Crackpot and Buz killed. Yeah. Oh man, it's, it's on the quad. It's on the quad. Everybody's on the quad. Oh no. Trump calls out the National Guard. Ask doing what people asked him to do. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. We can't have it.

[Adam Curry]

It's authoritarianism.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is authoritarianism, man. It's like the, and the National Guard is standing there like smoking cigarettes like.

[Adam Curry]

They don't know what to do. They're all standing around, there's going on, standing around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone else is. They're riding. No, they burned like their old panties. And everyone's live streaming it on Instagram and Tick tock. I have not seen anything really happen.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's that car bonfire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, a car on fire. They do that when we win the ball game.

[Adam Curry]

It's true. Come on, a Super bowl and they put more cars on fire. Yeah, don't park around the Super Bowl. Well, I have a couple of clips because the BBC thinks this is a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes, well the BBC would because it's going to happen in their town soon.

[Adam Curry]

But, but this is interesting. This, this clip is interesting because you know, they want to turn it around and make it about Trump somehow being Hitler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And so they, so they, they talk about the event. They have some woman standing there in the. La. Is in la by the way for people out there who don't know where this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way for people who don't know what the quad is, I have YouTube TV has a four screen multi view. CNN, MSNBC, Fox and BBC. That's the quad.

[Adam Curry]

Just like so, so there's one reports she's got nothing to say. So they bring on the, of course the main BBC guy. So he's going to bring an analyst in to discuss this. And here we go. Well, I spoke to Scott Lucas, professor.

[Unknown Speaker]

Of US and international politics at University.

[John C. Dvorak]

College Dublin's Clinton Institute.

[Adam Curry]

He's a professor, he's in Ireland and.

[John C. Dvorak]

His specialty is Trump derangement Syndrome. I'm presuming.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, National Guard is a long established institution, dates back to the 17th century when the US was a British colony. And that is, it was a local, effectively militia. Now, as the US developed as a country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Unknown Speaker]

You, of course, would eventually have the national military, but the National Guard would be overseas, seen at state level. Now, they could be used in two cases. The federal government could request that the states deploy them, provide them, say, for example, at the start of the 21st century in Iraq and in Afghanistan. They can also be used in national emergencies, and I emphasize real national emergencies. For example, in 1992, as you mentioned, in the LA uprising, after the beating of Rodney King, they were called out when the city suffered more than 1 billion doll in damage. And they can be deployed when states refuse to observe the law. So the federal government in the 1950s under Dwight Eisenhower, called out the National Guard to make sure that schools could be desegregated in Arkansas when Governor Faubus refused to do so. So in very specific situations where there is an imminent threat, the federal government can override the states and call out the National Guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. He says two things here. Let me just get this right. And you've probably looked this up. So the President can call out the National Guard in a situation where the state is disregarding the law and that could be a danger. And then at the end, he says, but, you know, if it's just. If it's crazy, then he can call it the National Guard. And in. In this case, I presume, legally, President Trump has called in the National Guard because the state of California is not cooperating with ICE to hand over criminals. That. That's that. So that sounds right. It sounds like the President is in his constitutional right.

[Adam Curry]

You're too logical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry, I don't work for the BBC. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

So a couple of things he did say, I want to point out, because he's going to be forced to contradict himself. He says. He makes the point of real. He says real national emergency. And he uses the word national Real. That's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's real.

[Adam Curry]

Rodney King was not a national emergency. No, it was a local situation in la. But I suppose you could, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was not a good time, it was not a party.

[Adam Curry]

No, the other one was Fauvis. You wouldn't. There was a black kid, they wouldn't let him in the school, so they brought the National Guard and forced him to go in. Or her.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was a woman that Was during Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

No, this was Eisenhower.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Eisenhower. I'm sorry. Yes. Way before.

[Adam Curry]

And so that was, you know, hardly a national emergency. But whatever the case, he's, he's going, he's kind of wandering here. He, the BBC, he's not on the script because he should have already slammed Trump by now. So the BBC guy interrupts him, prompts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him, prompts him, hey, you're not doing it right.

[Adam Curry]

Interrupts him and puts him back on track. And then we get to hear what they're really trying to tell us. Here we go.

[Unknown Speaker]

What do you make of Donald Trump's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decision to do it in this instance?

[Unknown Speaker]

It's unprecedented. It's unprecedented for the National Guard to be called out when you do not have that imminent threat. And I need to emphasize protesters gathered last night, as you mentioned, outside this detention center because people are just being swept up, many of whom have no criminal records. And with the threat, they'll just simply be disappeared, deported without due process of law. There were some people who were arrested when they failed to disperse, but there were some total of two. Two people who were arrested for assaults on police officers, one with a Molotov cocktail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think that in, in the literature this professor has studied, that they speak of sweeping people up, or is that just hyperbole from our professor?

[Adam Curry]

And he also used the word disappeared, which is a left wing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. I'll take it back to that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Deported without due process of law. There were some people who were arrested when they failed to disperse, but there were some total of two. Two people who were arrested for assaults on police officers, one with a Molotov cocktail, allegedly. So there was no imminent threat here. This needs to be called out. What it is, it is a political stunt.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[Unknown Speaker]

By the Trump administration, both as part of that crackdown on migration and also to try to expand its authority at the expense of the states in what would some see as being effectively authoritarian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there it is. Oh, very good. Authoritarian. Every single one of my British and European friends, you know what they say, Man, I wish.

[Adam Curry]

I can just imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Man, I wish we had a guy like that here. That's what they all say.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's that element. That's the one that really, actually cracks me up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course they won't say it in their own country for fear of retribution. And, you know, this, the, all the news, all of it is all swept up, you know, disappeared.

[Adam Curry]

Like, beard is my favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

These, these, this is not. This is, this is political speech. That's what that is. And it's, it's, it's kind of baffling. Well, no, not really, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

What am I thinking? It's not really baffling. Do you have more. I have Ice Barbie who was on the CBS Face the Nation.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what I, where I want to head toward with, starting with that is the going toward bringing back El Brago Garcia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which I have clips for. But, but ice, I think ice, Ice Barbie, I think. Well, Ice Barbie is okay. Ice bar. I always mix her up with, with bondage.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Ice Barbie.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ice Barbie is the, is gnome, the dog killer.

[Adam Curry]

Gnome. Like gnome. Alaska. She's cold.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. The dog, the dog killer. So the dog killer. She has no, she has no heart, man. She's a dog killer. So she. So thank you to the Jones Brothers Syndicate. Neil always does throughout the week and Steve has everything rolling in the morning. And that's why I was a little behind. I was late getting even the clean feed up for you because I was listening to the clips that were coming in. It's pretty cool to have it just before the show starts. So this is Margaret, your favorite, your gal. Margaret Brennan with the I. Thanks, Barbie. Cristino.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, we are seeing from the president's proclamation that he can Federalize, he says 2,000 California National Guard forces for 60 days under Title 10 authorities. Which units are being deployed? Are they military police and exactly what are their orders? Yes. President Trump is putting the safety of the communities that are being impacted by these riots and by these protests that have turned violent, and he's putting the safety of our law enforcement officers first. So these 2,000 National Guard soldiers that are being engaged today are ones that are specifically trained for this type of crowd situation where they'll be with the public and be able to provide safety around buildings and to those that are engaged in peaceful protests and also to our law enforcement officers so they can continue their daily work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that sounds ominous. Doesn't. This is not good. But we got to bring in the term federalizing. Federalizing. It's like the federal government's taking over the states.

[Unknown Speaker]

So our CBS team is reporting that the California National Guard office are at that Edward Royball center in la. This is a plaza with a federal building.

[John C. Dvorak]

Federal buildings.

[Unknown Speaker]

Are there a processing center, detention center, a veterans clinic? Are the soldiers going to remain around the federal building? Are you planning to help them go throughout the city of Los Angeles? I won't speak specifically to all the locations where the National National Guard soldiers will be deployed to or where they will be conducting different operations. As far as security concerns, they're there at the direction of the President in order to keep peace and allow people to be able to protest, but also to keep law and order. That is incredibly important to the President, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

From what I can see, that's exactly what's happening. They're standing around. They're not in the line with their weapons drawn. They're just standing around. And everybody else is protesting reasonably peacefully. Okay. They're all livestreaming. This is an influencer event.

[Unknown Speaker]

He recognizes he was elected to make sure that every single person in this country was treated exactly the same and that we would enforce the laws. And that is what ICE is doing every day as they're out on our streets and working to go after bad criminals and people that have perpetuated violence on these communities. The gang members we have picked up in LA because of their hard work are horrible people. Assault, drug trafficking, human trafficking. They are now off of those streets and they are safer because these ICE operations are ongoing. Unfortunately, we've seen some violent protests happen, and that's why these National Guard soldiers are being utilized to help with some security in some areas.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so now we're just going to get down to it is because the Los Angeles authorities will not cooperate with ICE.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, the U.S. attorney in LA told CBS that LAPD did help. LAPD. That's what is. Margaret is hours later. They waited until we had officers in dangerous situations, then they responded. Now, if that was my city and I was the mayor, I would be sending law enforcement in there to back up other law enforcement officers. That's what America is about, is that we have rules and we have laws. If you don't like the laws, go to Congress and change them. Someone should go to Congress, say, change the laws. If we don't like what's happening in this country, do that instead of throwing rocks and throwing Molotov cocktails and instead of attacking law enforcement officers. Not going to anymore. This president cares deeply about family members that want to live in their communities and be safe. Back to the question, though, of active duty troops, different from the National Guard. What is your personal counsel here to the President? Because it's you, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense. We're going to have a lot of responsibility here in implementing some of this call to do this. Well, let me be clear about something. ICE and Homeland Security are running these operations right now. And the advice and counsel of the Attorney General of the Department of Defense are extremely important to the President of the United States. And we never discuss our personal conversations and advice to the President of the United States. He makes the decisions. He is the president that sits in that seat. And we are all very proud to work for him. So I'm grateful for the leadership. Leadership of Pete Hegseth and Pam Bondi, and I get the chance to work with them. And as does their job today, we're thankful to have the partnership and the leadership of President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Ice Barbie, you're so boring. The only thing that really, I think is interesting about this is the masks, and this is the last clip of that.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, before you play the next clip, what is Brennan trying to do here? Did you notice that she tried to pull in the active duty?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Military. Because they keep trying to stick Trump, but he's going to make the military, which is not the National Guard. I mean, the National Guard is the military, but it's a different branch altogether. Even though it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're trying to make. They're trying to make it scary like he's turning the military on his own people like we said he would.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. But it's interesting how she slipped it in and Gnome slipped past it. She should have addressed it and chewed her out for it, which is. I think Bands would have done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Ice Barbie is cute, but she's not. Not. She doesn't. She's not the best. I mean, she's. She has kind of a stock way of talking and then to say, oh, I'm excited to work with. With A.G. barbie.

[Adam Curry]

Not as good as the other ones in terms of being aggressive. I mean, Rubio would have. Would have done it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, no, they're better. They're just better. It's okay. She.

[Adam Curry]

She.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ice Barbie is. Is awesome in, in that role as Ice Barbie. Yeah, just put. Put a dog killer. Slack dog killer. All right, the masks. This is the part that I thought was interesting.

[Unknown Speaker]

For a certain reason, President Trump said masks will not be allowed to be worn at protest. Who's going to enforce that and how? And how can you justify it when law enforcement officials have their faces covered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go up to them and pull their masks down.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, what I would say is that the law is going to be enforced and that what the laws are in this country is what we are doing and our ICE officers and our law enforcement officers out there that are in these situations where people have questioned why they have their faces covered, it's for the safety of those individuals or the work that they're doing as far as protecting their identity. So they can continue to do investigative work. So. But are you tasking the National Guard soldiers with removing masks from protesters? I mean, are you trying to use them in that way?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is such an upside down world. For four years, the left was saying, wear a mask, wear a mask, wear a mask. And I was like, stop wearing your mask.

[Unknown Speaker]

National Guard soldiers are there to provide security for operations and to make sure that we have peaceful protests. So that's what their work is. And I won't get more specific on that just because we never do. When it comes to law enforcement operations, we're doing the same standard procedures we always do and have for years in this country with our National Guard and with our, you know, law enforcement folks that are on the ground working with these communities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this, this is interesting, this mask issue, because Hakeem Jeffries, who is the, what is his actual title? He's the, he's the leader of the Democrat Party in the House, but has a name.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he would be the next speaker. Yeah, the guy. I never said this on the show, but he just seems, looks like he looks slow witted, sounds dumb. He's a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here he is talking about the ICE agents and the whole mask issue. Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that. This is America. America. This is not the Soviet Union. We're not behind the Iron Curtain. This is not the 1930s. And every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course, be identified. That, in fact, is the law.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'Re going to make sure that the American people have the transparency necessary to hold people accountable. When they're folks who cross the line here in America, that's what's going to happen. So he is basically threatening to dox the ICE agents to out them and let everyone know who they are so.

[Adam Curry]

They can and where they live and what their family looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go back to January 26th of 2021. Hakeem Jeffries.

[Unknown Speaker]

Congressman Hakeem Jeffries of New York, Chair of the House Democratic Caucus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great to have you on, Congressman. Just tell me what you know and.

[Unknown Speaker]

What you're willing to say. Obviously, there's some security concerns here about the threats this individual directed at family members. Yours on January 6th.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is something that unfolded on January 6th directed at a family member of mine. This individual apparently had secured a phone number, secured an address, made it appear as though they were prepared to Proceed violently either at the address of my family member and. Or my own home address. He didn't like it when it happened to him. So, no, Hakeem Jeffries, don't, don't do that. Just don't do that. So then we have the. There's a number of good gambits going on. You identified it in the newsletter. And that is the return of the Maryland husband, the father from Maryland, the poor guy who got shipped off, off to El Salvador.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, you got to get the correct, the correct usage down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm sorry, did I get it wrong?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he was, he was accidentally shipped off or he was mistakenly shipped off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Swept up. Swept up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that. I, I have a couple of clips that kind of developed this, but I want you to play what you're playing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. I'm tossing to you. Oh, back to you.

[Adam Curry]

Let's start, let's start with the. We used to do this on the show. I stopped doing it, but I'm going to do it again, at least for this show. This is the rundown. This is the complete. It's a two minute clip. And you don't have to watch the news. I've said this before. You just watch the rundown and they give you everything you need to know about today's news. And this is from yesterday's ABC News Tonight.

[Unknown Speaker]

Several developing stories as we come on the air. Violent protests as ICE agents take migrants into custody. More than 40 million Americans on alert for severe storms. And Coco Gauff makes history at the French Open. First, the new clashes over ICE arrests. Protests erupting from California to New York as the Trump administration ramps up its immigration crackdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Kilmar Abrego Garcia, now back in.

[Unknown Speaker]

The US Two months after he was mistakenly, mistakenly, mistakenly deported to El Salvador. The charges he's now facing stemming from this 2022 traffic stop, according to DHS. And why a top prosecutor abruptly resigned over the case. Dangerous weather impacting millions from the heartland.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the East Coast.

[Unknown Speaker]

Severe storms firing up with damaging winds and potential flash floods. Texas and parts of Arkansas already hit hard. Our weather team timing it out. Coco's comeback. Coco Gauff becomes the first American woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a decade to win the French Open.

[Unknown Speaker]

Just 21 years old. How she came roaring back to beat the top seed in three grueling sets. Grueling say they've captured the alleged ringleader in a series of high end burglaries that targets pro athletes. Authorities say hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of items stolen. How police say the Suspect's car led to his arrest. Our ABC News exclusive, Martha Raditz in Ukraine with President Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader telling Martha that Russia does not want.

[Adam Curry]

To stop the war.

[Unknown Speaker]

The search for a former army soldier wanted in the deaths of his three little girls. Dangerous and possibly armed. There's in Washington state telling people to lock their doors. Urgent recall impacting more than a million eggs in multiple states potentially linked to salmonella. Travelers why the FAA is cutting the number of daily flights. One of America's busiest airports and the wildly popular Eagle Cam revealing a major development is Gizmo the Eaglet ready to take flight night.

[Adam Curry]

We're all gonna die.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm tired. I'm tired from just hearing that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know it's pretty fatiguing. But mistakenly, this mistake everybody's using.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, mistakenly, it was a mistake. Wow. They are.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody ever saw it was a mistake except one guy in the administration. He was one of the lawyers from one of the, one of the federal lawyers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think we had a clip of that where he went, he, he said it and it was like, oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, I didn't mean to say that. Oops.

[Adam Curry]

And everyone's picked it up. So to go from there to the NPR report on these NPR this ICE.

[John C. Dvorak]

Raids must be, this must be just full of gems.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's pretty short, so it's not full of too many gems, but it's got the right kind of attitude. It's when we get to the NPR analysis, which are the Dems view. But let's play Ice Rays. This is Ice Raid SoCal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ice Raid SoCal.

[Unknown Speaker]

NPR in Southern California for a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Straight day, there are major actions by.

[Unknown Speaker]

Federal law enforcement going after people in the country illegally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Futterman has more. This is, you know, just clipping today all of the terms that the news media is using. I mean, people who are. How about illegal immigrants? Anything but what you just said.

[Unknown Speaker]

NPR law enforcement going after people in the country illegally. Steve Futterman has more agents moved in.

[Adam Curry]

At another Home Depot. Some of their focus was on day labor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's like shooting fish in a barrel. Let's, let's go to Home Depot, see if we can find any illegals. Oh, please. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly the right analogy. How much work are you going to put in today? I don't know. Let's just go to the Home Depot, pick up a few guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pick some guys up. Exactly. You know what it is? The Californians are pissed because these are the people who are rebuilding their Homes, and they have to get cheap labor because the permits cost 50 grand. That's what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

You can get a permit. Do you know, as I do, the total thousands and thousands of homes burnt to the ground? The total number of permits. What is it, you know?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think it's like 70 or something.

[Adam Curry]

No, 55.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Now I actually have a clip somewhere of it, but. Yeah, no, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

It's a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

And even. And those 55 cost tens of thousands of dollars, so. Yeah, you want to go get your. Your labor? At Home Depot, Steve Futterman has more.

[Adam Curry]

Agents moved in at another home dep. Some of their focus was on day laborers who often gather outside the store looking for work. As word spread on social media of.

[Unknown Speaker]

The raid, protesters showed up. There were some confrontations.

[Adam Curry]

Objects were thrown at a U.S. marshal's.

[Unknown Speaker]

Bus carrying some of those detained.

[Adam Curry]

Agents responded with flashbangs and tear gas. One of the protesters, Maya Malika, blames President Trump.

[Unknown Speaker]

What we're facing right now is Trump's armed gestapo, because this is the future.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're just seeing a glimpse of the.

[Unknown Speaker]

Future that Trump wants to implement.

[John C. Dvorak]

The acting director of ice, Todd Lyons.

[Unknown Speaker]

Is defending the actions here, claiming that.

[Adam Curry]

Some of the people arrested included dangerous criminals.

[John C. Dvorak]

That lady, she was on all the European reports. She is the, I think, director of the nonprofit for immigrants rights. So she was everywhere. And so I'm surprised that. That NPR didn't pick up someone else for that, but I guess she was the only one.

[Adam Curry]

Why bother? You know, there's the easy way or the hard way.

[John C. Dvorak]

The easy way. Yeah. Did they talk to anyone at Home Depot? Any of the. Like a man, they can't speak English.

[Adam Curry]

So I just know they didn't talk to anyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. You know, Lowe's doesn't allow that. You know, Lowe's. Shoes them off now.

[Adam Curry]

Shoes them off. Go. Go. Get out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go away.

[Adam Curry]

No Home Depot. We have one around here. It's during the. In the heyday era. I think it was like few number years back. Yeah, that place was. There were a thousand guys out there. You had to find one guy. You had to. You could find. If you wanted to get some work done, you'd find one guy who spoke really good English and he could organize a crew for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you sound like you speak from experience.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying. Something you can always do if you need a cleanup or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheap on the cheap, you know, there are plenty of people here in Fredericksburg who are here born here, who are happy to do it cheap.

[Adam Curry]

They won't come into California, is my understanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, of course not. They don't want to live there.

[Adam Curry]

So NPR decides they're going to bring, they're going to bring that bonehead from Connecticut, the guy who went to have a margarita with Abrego Garcia back on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That guy?

[Adam Curry]

That guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's perfect. He's the perfect guy. Fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

So he can come in and play his. Oh, well, you know, all we care about is process. And all we, you know, this is what the Democrats always accused of. They're more into process than anything. And you know, they gotta, you gotta follow the rules. And this is all we cared about. We don't know if he's guilty or not. Doesn't matter, and blah, blah, blah. But here we go. This is a four parter, is quite entertaining. Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who has been at the center of an intense political and legal fight since he was mistakenly, mistakenly, mistakenly, mistakenly deported to El Salvador in March, is back in the United States. For months, the Trump administration resisted a Supreme Court order to, quote, facilitate his return. Now Abrego Garcia is back, but in a Tennessee prison. He's been charged with conspiracy to transport migrants in the U.S. without legal status from Texas across the country. That's according to the federal indictment unsealed Friday. Senator Chris Van Hollen played a leading role in the push to return Abrego Garcia to the U.S. the Democrat represents Maryland, where Abrego Garcia was living with his family before he was deported. Editor Van Hollen joins us now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scott, good to be with you.

[Adam Curry]

What is your reaction to this news? He's been returned to the US but is in federal prison.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, wow, did you hear that? That was an interview that was done a whole different time, a whole different sound, a whole different timbre of voice.

[Adam Curry]

That was interesting where Abrego Garcia was living with his family before he was deported. Senator Van Hollen joins us now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scott, good to be with you.

[Adam Curry]

What is your reaction to this news? He's been returned to the US but is in federal prison. Reason this is a victory for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rule of law and due process. As you just said.

[Adam Curry]

The Trump administration for months said he would never set foot on US soil again. They thumbed their nose at a 9 to 0 Supreme Court decision. I have repeatedly said that this is not about the man Abrego Garcia, it's about his constitutional rights to due process.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that if you trample over his.

[Adam Curry]

Rights, you threaten the rights of everybody who lives in the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

So finally, his case is back in court where it should have been all along. And he will have an opportunity with.

[Adam Curry]

His lawyers, who he's not had any communication with, to defend himself against these new charges.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a question so far. This is the.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, if you're chewing gum, everyone has to have gum. If you're chewing gum, you're chewing gum. Billy, give everybody a piece of the gum or get the gum out of your mouth. That's the Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there anyone else that this guy from Connecticut or any other representative or senator has gone to bat for that they were swept up and disappeared illegally? Is there any other example that we've heard of or is it just the news media telling us that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know of any other examples. They have talked about the gay hairdresser, but that kind of got pushed aside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I don't think the gay hairdresser was true. If there truly was a gay hairdresser who got shipped off, the people would lose their ever loving minds over it. If it was really true, it would be perfect. Trump hates gays. So I'm just going to say it was never true. So it just, you know, that would be.

[Adam Curry]

See you might. You're probably right.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're taking away our rights. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the reason. What you just, the question you're asking, the open ended question you're asking is not answerable because people are disappearing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, but they have family members here.

[Adam Curry]

They've disappeared too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay, okay, I got it.

[Adam Curry]

Now. Here's the one. This one I did a little. I had to look into this because I got sick of this. ABC said the same thing as you're about to hear in clipboard to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown Speaker]

Have you been able to talk to.

[Adam Curry]

Him or his legal team?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have not spoken to him directly.

[Adam Curry]

I have spoken to his wife, Jennifer. What was her response to all of this? Well, she's relieved to have him back on US Soil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. The wife who he beat is relieved to have him back on us, so bull crap. That's interesting. She's finally had a chance to talk.

[Adam Curry]

To him briefly, which she was unable.

[John C. Dvorak]

To do since he was first taken.

[Adam Curry]

Off the streets in Maryland and shipped to El Salvador.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course, you know, she's working.

[Adam Curry]

With the lawyers as to the next steps. You said before this isn't about him. It's about the rule of law. It's about the process. What is your response to this indictment and the details in the indictment, allegations that he transported undocumented immigrants across the country illegally?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, my Response is what it's been all along, which is that the Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Administration needs to put up or shut up up in court. So for months they made allegations over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Social media which they had not made.

[Adam Curry]

Before the federal district court judge in Maryland, Judge Zinnis.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'd made these claims with respect to Ms.13. She said that they had put forward no evidence. My point all along is this needs to be dealt with in a court of law. That's where we convict the guilty.

[Adam Curry]

It's also where people who are charged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have their due process rights. So what's interesting in all this is many, if not the most targeted are people who have already been through that process and have just been let go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the court of law thing has already happened.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly what you said. You think the NPR guy is going to ask that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, because otherwise all my hairdresser's clients will go crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this is the clip that's got the WTF moment which I have to discuss. I mean there has been critical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, is am I playing three NPR or three wtf?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well I have two clips here, two different lengths. I have Dem's view on El Brago.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no, it's got to be 3 WTF. That 3 NPR has got to be clip 4.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the guy's new name, Darcia as a great.

[Adam Curry]

I mean there has been criticism from some camps about the amount of detail in the 10 page indictment about the fact that most of this material comes from unnamed sources. Do you share that concern or again is to you the top line? This is now the formal process that should happen from the beginning.

[John C. Dvorak]

The top line is that this is.

[Adam Curry]

The formal process and it should have been in court from the beginning. I think the issues you just mentioned will of course be a subject of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Debate and know litigation in the court.

[Adam Curry]

We also know that one of the members of the U.S. attorney's office in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tennessee resigned reportedly in protest about how.

[Adam Curry]

These charges are being brought now. He resigned in protest, reportedly in protest. Where did that reporting come from that they resigned in protest? He has never said he resigned in protest. His Resignation is on LinkedIn. I've read it. He quit the day that they indicted Abrego Garcia. Abc it traces back to ABC claims that he resigned in protest. So I looked up and we have it in the show notes because I sent you a link to an article in Tennessee from a local newspaper where it's suspected because this Abrego Garcia situation took place in 2022, three years ago, smuggling of all his nine people in the car it's believed that the prosecutor knows about some hanky panky that was going on that allowed this illegality to continue. He quit to get out of the way so he doesn't get caught up in what appears to be an upcoming mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

He didn't quit in any protest and they can't. No one has gotten a quote from him saying he quit in protest. Nobody. Abc, may it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm not surprised.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, this joker from this Connecticut dude, so he. Or Maryland, where he's from Connecticut. He. The congressman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, he.

[Adam Curry]

He of course, goes with it. He says it right there on the. On the report as if the guy quit in protest. Because this is. This does match the. There were people, if you recall, like, I don't know, six to nine, just right after Trump got in a bunch of federal prosecutors that quit in protest because they were all short timers and they were part time. One of them was only there for a month and she quit, if you recall. And so now you can always use the quit in protest trope meme to make it sound like something actually happened when it didn't because somebody made it up. Okay. So I had to get that off my chest. But it's in the show notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's interesting. Last night, CNN broadcast worldwide, first time ever, exclusive, never been done before. With 20 cameras. Live from Broadway, right? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There was some outrageous number of cameras.

[John C. Dvorak]

20 cameras, George.

[Adam Curry]

Can you imagine being the director, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have to say, production wise, dynamite. I watched the whole thing because I'm a big fan of the history of news. Yeah. I'm a big fan of the Great Wide Way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And there's no coincidence that the Tonys are coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Chonies. Yes, the Chonies, yes, of course. And I think Clooney. Clooney is nominated. So it's George Clooney, actually. A bunch of dynamite actors. And they did a. They really did a good job. Lighting was good. It had a. It's about Edward E. Murrow. And.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's basically the movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's basically the movie. Yeah. But it was very well done. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, wow, this is pretty good. A lot of smoking on stage. Which of course was Back in the Day was. Was true.

[Adam Curry]

What was the name of this product?

[John C. Dvorak]

Good Night and Good Luck. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Which is the movie name of the movie. It was a good movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the play was good, but at the very end, you know, Edward E. Murrow did this famous speech at some. I don't know what it was at. Basically a democracy if you can. A republic if you can keep it type speech. So Clooney's up there at the very end, and it's setting this scene of him speaking to this large congregation of people about how he can use this medium for good. Good or for bad. And then it goes. And then it goes into this montage going all the way. So it starts off like, you know, first man on the moon and the Kennedy assassination. And then as it speeds up, it moves all the way up through, you know, Fox News about COVID election deniers. January 6th. Rigged election. It was what? Oh, yeah. None of it was. None of it.

[Adam Curry]

That wasn't in the movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not. And then the crowd went wild at the end. Of course, the bunch of elitist lefties in the audience.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They can spend $90 to $100 for a TV.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, more than that, I'm sure, for this televised version. And I was so happy. I'm like, this is really good. I kind of like Clooney in general as an actor for some of the roles he plays. But then that came. I'm like, you just basically left me with a taste of vomit in my mouth. Like, that's all you could pick from all the nonsense, all of the garbage that we've been dealing with since we've been doing this show. All of them. Like, right up until now, what you just said, just making stuff up. I was like, oh, man, that's just too bad. It's too bad, I tell you. So listen to some of the terms the foreign media is using about President Trump Sweeping. Sweeping up people.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before you do that, you might as well wrap this. My clips up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you had any.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the three. The one I said was four.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's four. I got it. Finally, you know, we're able to. He's able to. And his family's able to litigate these in a court of law, rather than unable to communicate from essentially what is.

[Adam Curry]

A terrible prison, a notorious prison in El Salvador that he was first taken to. Senator, I want to ask you this. If all of this ends several steps down the line with Abrego Garcia guilty in federal court and eventually deported to you, is that still a win for the rule of law and the Constitution?

[John C. Dvorak]

The answer is yes, I will be satisfied so long as the rule of.

[Adam Curry]

Law applies, so long as there's no abuse of process.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, the overriding issue here is.

[Adam Curry]

Adherence to the Constitution of the United.

[John C. Dvorak]

States, this is not the only case where President Trump and his administration are flouting the Constitution and due process. But my bottom line has been and remains adherence to the Constitution in the United States, because if you put it at risk for one person, you do jeopardize those rights for everybody. Well, he's not wrong about that, but.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if he is not. But he's wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if this is the right case, because it's going to look, it's going to be a lot of egg on people's faces when it turns out that this guy was.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I think that's what he's been doing. I think this entire clippage that I played. Damage control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Oh, damage control. Damage control. Okay, yeah, yeah, good point.

[Adam Curry]

So it's dam. It's just a. It's preemptive damage control. And I think he did a pretty good job of that, if you don't realize that he lied about the, you know, the guy who quitting protests and all the rest of it, and he soft pedaled the whole thing and now he's promoting. It's not about. And he prefaced the whole thing saying it's not about the man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's about the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Good cat catch. Good catch. Well, so instead of playing you the European clips and the verbiage they use about the immigration, you know, it is, it's not Pride Month, it's World Pride Month. I hope you've noticed this.

[Adam Curry]

When did that happen, by the way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they did a rebranding.

[Adam Curry]

When did that happen? I'm asking.

[John C. Dvorak]

This year. This year.

[Adam Curry]

This year is the first year of World Pride Month.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe so. So. Yes, I believe so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they slipped that one by us.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course, you know, just, just by calling it Pride is by itself. It's just, it's, it's, it's a sin to be prideful. But that's just me.

[Adam Curry]

So that's just you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's France 24. And listen to what they're saying President Trump is doing to the LGBTQ community, which really is only about the T's because it' very, very small.

[Adam Curry]

And I have noticed that most of the World Pride Month stuff is they do have some of the crazy flags, but they have mostly trans flags.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Kamala is for they. Them. President Trump is for you.

[Unknown Speaker]

From campaign ads targeting the transgender community.

[Adam Curry]

To executive orders banning them for military service.

[John C. Dvorak]

So targeting. No, that campaign ad was targeting the Republican base of Donald Trump. It wasn't Target? Do you mean, like, they were shooting at them? It wasn't targeting them. It was actually targeting the base. He wanted to vote for them, so. No, that's incorrect.

[Unknown Speaker]

From campaign ads targeting the transgender community.

[Adam Curry]

To executive orders banning them from military service, Trump has ramped up his attacks against attacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's attacks. Attacks. No, it's not an attack.

[Adam Curry]

He had one proclamation about men are men and women and women. Where's the rest of these attacks? It's plural.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is.

[Adam Curry]

That was plural. I didn't hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there's many more attacks.

[Adam Curry]

Trump has ramped up his attacks against.

[Unknown Speaker]

The LGBTQ community, going as far as erasing any mention of them on the White House and several government agency websites.

[John C. Dvorak]

Erasing. This is another important term, erasing. Because somehow the. The. The narrative has become Trump wants to erase. I can hear your wind chimes going crazy, by the way. Oh, that's my dog. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Not me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the dog. Hey, Bubba. It's okay. What are you doing?

[Adam Curry]

Doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

She's itchy.

[Adam Curry]

The dog has wind chimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the dog.

[Adam Curry]

What do you do there? You're torturing the animal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phoebe, come on.

[Adam Curry]

Can you imagine what it sounds like to a dog?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's her collar. The narrative is Trump wants to erase us. Erase. And that with us, that means trans. It's not about lesbians and gays. It's about trans.

[Adam Curry]

For the organizers of World Pride, the campaign has only increased the celebrations in.

[Unknown Speaker]

The importance through World Pride and all the prides that are going to take.

[John C. Dvorak]

Place not just here in the United States, but around the world. This is the year that we need to ensure that we remain visible and seen. So. So folks know.

[Adam Curry]

Is there an invisibility problem that we're not recognizing when they got flags everywhere you go?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling you, this is the whole we're being erased, which is just not true.

[Adam Curry]

I'm seeing zero evidence of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's no evidence emphasized. There's. Yes, exactly. There is no evidence of them being erased. It's just the narrative. This is the year that we need to ensure that we remain visible and seen so folks know that there's a.

[Unknown Speaker]

Place for them, that there are people fighting for them. For the LGBTQ community, resistance to Trump's policies is key. Within the US A group of transgender soldiers are challenging the executive order banning.

[Adam Curry]

Them in the military.

[Unknown Speaker]

In court, a broken fraud. Some are making the difficult decision to skip the celebration altogether to avoid problems at the border.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they somehow they think they're going to have problems at the border, coming into the United States. Because they're trans.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I've seen a bunch of TikTok clips on this and this. The. They're holding up their passport and it's M. And they identify as a girl, and they look like a girl. They got the. Except for the voice. And they feel that this is going to get them thrown in jail or shot. I don't know what. What they're. What they're thinking. Meanwhile, others privilege showing up.

[Unknown Speaker]

Visibility is resistance. When you say that we no longer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exist and then we show up in hundreds of thousands of numbers, then it defies this narrative that you have that we don't exist. This is it. We don't exist. Yes, you do. Everyone recognizes. You know, the funny thing is there's this. This trans woman. Lynn Alden. Lynn Alden. And Lynn Alden is an economist and. And talks a lot about bitcoin and bitcoin conferences. And I had actually asked someone the. Hey, is that Lynn Alden? Is Lynn Alden trans? Yeah, it's trans. Trans. Nobody cares, because Lynn Alden is just. Acts like a human being. Just no one cares. But when you. When you just talk about him being erased, and no one want, you know, Lyn Alden's not erased. Lynn Alden is one of the most visible faces in all of bitcoin. It's like, why don't you just act like a human being and a member of society? And then there's no problem. Anyway, now we have the orchestra. This. This is great.

[Unknown Speaker]

At a Patriot before World Pride festivities in Washington, D.C. legendary drag queen Peaches Christ, paraphrased famous American writer Mark Twain.

[Adam Curry]

Patriotism means I'll get this right. Loving your country all of the time and your government when it deserves.

[Unknown Speaker]

The International Pride Orchestra had originally been in talks to play the Kennedy center, the most prestigious venue in the United States States. But those plans were dashed after President.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump took office. Dashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dashed.

[Adam Curry]

They were dashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were dashed. So June 14th is no kings Day.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was Juneteenth.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Isn't that 18th. Isn't that June 18th?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. It's on a Thursday. It's a show day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good. Well, it's no Kings Day.

[Adam Curry]

No King's Day. By the way, I do have a World Pride Day clip I just noticed, so don't let me forget.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. No. Kings Day is a nationwide day of defiance, from city blocks to small towns, from courthouse steps to community parks.

[Adam Curry]

Where no Kings is referring to Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we're taking action to reject authoritarianism and show the world what democracy really looks like.

[Adam Curry]

This is what democracy looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nokings.org is the website and of course can't really find who's behind all of this. Soros, possibly. It's organized by an outfit called a 5051. So five zero.

[Adam Curry]

Which refers to a nutball.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's 5150. Oh 50501. I haven't quite figured that one out yet.

[Adam Curry]

Upside down.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's first and foremost the movement of buy and for the people. We are not nationally incorporated and have no plans to change that, but they do have a lot of groups that work with them. No voice unheard. Build the Resistance. There's a lot of. It's all socialist, by the way. Build the Resistance with a socialist fist. I can't really find out. You know, it seems like there's a bigger organization behind this, but we can look.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure there is. There has to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody's paying the bills.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if you look at the aboot, we already got the boot page. They have the partners. Partners here. Partners.

[Adam Curry]

If you can find one person, you can find associations.

[John C. Dvorak]

So 350. Org. Yeah. Education, healthcare, public services, American Humanist Association.

[Adam Curry]

350. Isn't 350 the parts per million group? The Climate change people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Aclu. The aclu. There they are. Bend the arc. Jewish Action, Black Voters Matter, Climate Hawks, Climate Defenders, Communications, Workers of America, Common Defense. I mean, there's a huge page here. Families Over Billionaires, Federal Unionist Network, Federal Workers against doge, Human Rights Campaign. I mean, it's just, it's. And. But there's a lot of organizations, big and small. So anyway, just.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You have to wonder if they're all there on purpose, if there's some of them aren't. Never agreed to this. There's always that possibility because so many of these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very possible.

[Adam Curry]

You don't know. You'd have to go try to track down someone at one of these operations and say, would you guys subscribe to this thing? How much money did you give them? This guy has to be on the mailing list.

[John C. Dvorak]

List. All right. What's your World Pride clip?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a little pride little thing that's got a little punchline I thought was funny. DC is hosting World Pride celebrations, a high profile series of events highlighting LGBTQ rights. This year's World Pride comes at a time when the Trump administration has targeted LGBTQ groups and people in a wide range of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Targeted. They're targeted. Targeted, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is npr. Npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Targeted. Targeted. It's Targeting. It's just these are these words.

[Adam Curry]

This year's World Pride comes at a time when the Trump administration has targeted LGBTQ groups and people in a wide range of ways. From barring trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I don't think it's been outlawed for gays or lesbians to be in the military, has it?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it's. That's okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, the costly trans. You gotta have drugs and to keep you trans. It costs a lot of money. What's the taxpayers money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Screw it cost a costly trans. Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in a wide range of ways, from barring transgender service members from the armed forces forces to stripping gay rights pioneer Harvey Milk's name from a Navy ship.

[John C. Dvorak]

So listen to the targeting. What are the grievances? The targeting. Is he killing them? Is he disappearing them? Is he erasing them from the voter rolls? Is he erasing them from the face of the earth? No, the issues are in a wide range of ways. A wide range of ways. This is it. Pay attention. Here are the issues.

[Adam Curry]

Barring transgender service members from the armed forces forces to stripping gay rights pioneer Harvey Milk's name from a Navy ship.

[John C. Dvorak]

We took a name off a ship. This is an outrage.

[Adam Curry]

NPR's Alana Wise was on the scene ahead of today's big Pride parade and joins us. And a heads up. You'll hear sirens in this piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, heads up. We don't want you to be triggered by sirens.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Alana.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hi there. Hi, there.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, there. What was the energy like on the streets right now?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, as you mentioned, this is the first year that DC is actually hosting World Pride, but it's also DC's 50th anniversary hosting its own Pride celebrations, and people seemed really ready to celebrate that. But, you know, more than a big party, Pride is also a call to action for the LGBTQ community to fight for their rights. I happen to speak with someone named Kylan Mahaney from Virginia about why Pride is so important. We gotta be able to celebrate and be. And be seen, because otherwise we will be disappeared.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. You'll be disappeared. No, no, this is. This is.

[Adam Curry]

And you're gonna be disappeared. Adam, get with it. People going to. She said. So you heard her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Now I just. As a kicker, if you want an extra little clip here, I have it. This. The Yawk clip, which should say talk. I'm sorry, is a bull diet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. This is the one with the. With the kid in the. In the. In the mall.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, that's A good question.

[Unknown Speaker]

I was mis yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, explain what she looks like. Just so, Just so.

[Adam Curry]

She's. Well, if you don't know what a bulldike looks like, she's got a really short haircut, she's mean looking, but she's pleasant at the same time.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I can no other way to describe it, but she's a lesbian. A harsh, harsh looking. I'm. It's like butch. If you saw her butch, I think is the butch. She's basically very butch. And she would. If you saw her, you'd say there's a lesbian.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, if. If she didn't cut her hair crop so short, she'd actually be quite, you know, attractive as a woman, wouldn't you say? I mean, I saw this clip so. Oh, wait, sorry. This is two times. We only get two of these a show. Okay, sorry, but you do. No, the. The interface just crapped out again. Oh, yeah. Did you hear what I said?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I heard everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, response. I said if she. If she didn't have her hair all chopped up.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you didn't hear what I said?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, I didn't hear what you said.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I said she. If you saw her on the street, you'd say there's a lesbian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. But I said if she didn't crop her hair all choppy, she would be quite attractive as a woman.

[Adam Curry]

I think she could. I think you. I. It's hard to argue against that. She's. She's got nice features.

[Unknown Speaker]

I was misgendered yesterday. A little girl at the mall she.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was making, maybe five years old, sitting.

[Unknown Speaker]

In a wagon, kept staring at me. So I made eye contact and she said, are you a girl or a boy? Her mom started to go, oh my God, we accept everyone. That's so rude. You can't say that. And I laughed and I bent down on her level and I said, that's okay. It's confusing sometimes. I'm a girl. I just really like boys clothes. They're pretty comfy. She got all excited and she said, I'm a girl too. And I gave her a high five. I said, isn't it so great being a girl? I love being a girl. She said, yeah, that's my brother. He's a brother because he's a boy. So I said, you're right. Brothers are boys and sisters are girls. There's only boys and girls. If you're born a girl, you're a girl. I was born a girl. I can almost see the release of air coming from her mother's body and just the ultimate sigh of relief that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wasn't going to want to be.

[Unknown Speaker]

Indoctrinating her child or teaching her child something that maybe she didn't want her to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I continued to talk to the little.

[Unknown Speaker]

Girl about her brother and her very cute dog, who was also a girl. I said, I hope you have a great day. And I went about my business. That is how you address gender to children. You don't. That is how you empower little girls and let them know that it's okay to be a girl who dresses however you want without having to change your dress gender. That is how you avoid confusing children, especially children that aren't your own, and projecting your bullshit on them because you might be offended that they use the wrong pronoun.

[John C. Dvorak]

America. Exactly. That's an American lesbian. Whatever she is, I don't care. That's an American woman who gets it. Don't push the crap on the children. So along those lines, yes, I have a TikTok clip. Yes I do. Now this is a very calm, very normal looking young woman and she explains something that I hadn't really thought about. But when she said I'm like, oh yeah, it's so true. What she is going to explain here is how liberal people, I don't want to say Democrats, but just people who are liberal Democrats. I wouldn't say, not exactly. When you hear what she has to say, how, how Democrats in your words have been psyoped into staying away from healthy and wholesome things in life. Life because it's all right wing crazy nut jobs MAGA.

[Unknown Speaker]

I used to do CrossFit like literally every day of the week at 5am and that might feel weird to you because when you think CrossFit you probably think alt right or not at least alt right, but people who are conservative. Because over the last, I'd say like seven years there's been this shift where we are aligning fitness, fitness and especially things like weightlifting and CrossFit in particular with the right. It slipped into that pipeline years ago if you used essential oils or you made your own bread or you had chickens, people didn't make assumptions about you wanting to be like a trad wife who doesn't vaccinate. Like that used to just be its own thing. Similarly to how like in the 80s or 90s 90s homeschooling wasn't owned really by like one predominant religious group and one predominant type of person. And now homeschooling itself has shifted to where if you're not homeschooling in that way. You have to actually differentiate that. And so you have to say we're part of XYZ homeschooling. Like there's different brandings now of homeschooling, but now there's this association of like CrossFit is MAGA. Homeschooling is MAGA. Wanting to chickens and my own eggs should not be a red flag of a political alignment. Like just let me. Let me want my own chickens, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Just killing people with this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it really true. And I could not believe you're a.

[Adam Curry]

Democratic hand of a chicken.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You're mad at me.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, not to change the subject and you can get right back to it, but this egg thing that just took place, Lace the. The ridiculous and people should go to the fda. I guess it's the FDA website. And look at the. The number of brands that this one egg provider with salmonella laced eggs. It's Everybody. Old brand.365. They have all the packages shown there.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're all gonna die.

[Adam Curry]

Rallies. Not ne. No. But what got me, they all come.

[John C. Dvorak]

From one supply supplier.

[Adam Curry]

One supplier is supplying at least 20 brands of eggs, which seems to me, why are you brand. Why don't they just have their own damn brand and there's none of their brand. So you're ruining the reputation of all these companies, including, oh, the organic operation that runs out of Whole Foods.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, 365, whatever it is, that's one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

365. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

New laid. Which I always thought was just a big egg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. So even the so called organic eggs all come from the same chicken poop farm? Yeah, yeah. You know how I got my eggs this morning? Mike. Mike comes from.

[Adam Curry]

That's a word. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to get. I get eggs from Jay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Mike came up to me in church. He says, hey, I put two carton of eggs under your car. Don't drive over them. That's how we. That's how I get my egg eggs.

[Adam Curry]

Well, hopefully you remembered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, I. I told Tina otherwise I might have forgotten. But yeah, that. That's how you get your eggs around here. You know why Mike's got too many eggs?

[Adam Curry]

He does. Obviously he got waste. He's giving you two whole cartons?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And the only thing he says, can you give me the cartons back? That's all he wants.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. All the egg guys. This is true of all guys who give Eggs orbs or sell, even sell eggs out of their back backyard. They need those cartons.

[John C. Dvorak]

So above all miracles, what took place, even for Fox News, where this is from, all of a sudden, raw milk is good for you.

[Unknown Speaker]

So after years of being one upped.

[John C. Dvorak]

By plant based alternatives like oat milk and cashew cream, real dairy products like.

[Unknown Speaker]

Especially raw milk are having a comeback. They're having a moment. So talk to us about raw milk because, Nicole, it's not easy to get raw milk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me and Charlie talk about it a lot.

[Adam Curry]

It's easier to get meth than raw milk.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good point. In America, it's easier to get meth than raw milk.

[Adam Curry]

That's a great line.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very good line. Talk about it a lot.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's easier to get meth than raw milk. He said that his dealer got arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

His raw milk dealer.

[Unknown Speaker]

So the reason people started to go away from animal dairy, you know, cow's milk, sheep's milk, goat milk, is because there were some studies a couple of decades ago saying, you know what, there's high fats and there's high cholesterol potentially in these animal based dairy products. Well, most of that research has essentially been determined to be obsolete.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obsolete.

[Unknown Speaker]

And in fact, animal based dairy is the best for you. High in nutrients, those proteins are complete. It's incredibly good for you, great for your bone, your skin, your entire body. So my children have always had whole milk. Now what you're talking about is raw milk. So, you know, when you just go to the grocery store, that's not raw milk, that's animal dairy, which is great for you. But there are concerns with that in terms of hormones, antibiotics, and some of the other things that come along with it. The reason you have a hard time getting raw milk, Rachel, is because it's illegal in like 20 of our states. And you, you can't even sell it across state lines. And the reason that it's become illegal is because the government has stepped in, because there are some concerns with raw milk in terms of certain bacteria like E. Coli, Campylobacter and some others. But the reality is there are safe ways to have raw milk. Raw dairy, it's just a matter of where you get it from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just like everything else, nut SAP is on the outs.

[Adam Curry]

You know, most of the cheese in Europe is made with raw milk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Most of the cheese in the United States is made with, with pasteurized milk. It's extremely rare to find raw milk cheese made in the United States. And the cheese in Europe is better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now stay with me because now we're going to go from raw milk to Operation storkspeed. Have you heard of Operation Stork Speed?

[Adam Curry]

Stork like in the baby carrier?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the one. Wait, let me do it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Operation Stork speed.

[Unknown Speaker]

Welcome back Dr. Democrats on Capitol Hill pushing back on HHS Secretary RFK Junior's Operation Stork Speed. The FDA.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. Stop, stop, stop. Where'd you get this clip? Fox it's funny. They said welcome back Democrats. Well, she, I know, I know what she's supposed to say should have had a two beat pause but she didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know she actually, she had the pause. That's the problem. Said welcome back Democrats. And then yeah, she had the pause in the wrong spot because you know why? She's a news model. Reading it from the prompter.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome back Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back Democrats. Scroll up.

[Unknown Speaker]

Welcome back, Democrats on Capitol Hill pushing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome back, Democrats on Capitol Hill.

[Unknown Speaker]

Welcome back. Democrats on Capitol Hill pushing back on HHS Secretary RFK Jr. S opera.

[John C. Dvorak]

Literally she had, she didn't have time, time to preview the script because I'm sure she was doing her hair, you know, or whatever and couldn't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I, I don't blame her. I blame the script writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I blame, I hate to say it, I blame the teleprompter operator. The teleprompter operator should have put a comma or a new.

[Adam Curry]

The teleprompter operator doesn't write the, write the copy. They just move the copy. Very few, I don't know any teleprompter operators that actually wrote teleprompter copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will edit and form all the time these days. Not the, not the old school days because it was just paper on a conveyor belt with a camera above it. A good teleprompter operator will see this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, somebody fucked up and I don't blame the reader at all. She's supposed to read what she was in front of her and she did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome back Democrats no agenda.

[Unknown Speaker]

Welcome back. Democrats on Capitol Hill pushing back on HHS Secretary RFK jr's Operation Storks Speed. The FDA is launching the first review of baby formula ingredients in three decades. They're aiming for more testing for heavy metals and contaminants, clearer labeling on formula. Twenty plus Democratic lawmakers now are telling RFK Jr. He is essentially killing his own project's chances. They say the decision to lay off 20,000 HHS employees and 3,500 FDA employees, including those who over Health and safety research of infant formula sets this operation up to fail. We're here to respond to that is the FDA commissioner, Dr. Marty McCary. Doctor, thanks for being with us today. Great to have you voice on this issue. What's your response to that criticism from Dems? Well, for the last 26 years, we've seen really no innovation in baby formulas. Current system is not working. The FDA doubled the number of employees here at the agency since 2007 to today. So doubling the number of employees has not fixed the baby formula problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem is that the government issues a recipe and companies must follow that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Recipe to get baby formula out on the market. And so for 26 years, we've seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Essentially very few innovative products, almost no changes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Moms want baby formula without seed oil, without corn syrup, without added sugar, without.

[John C. Dvorak]

Arsenic and lead and other heavy metals.

[Unknown Speaker]

And so we convened a group of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Experts to figure out how we get this right and how we modernize the.

[Unknown Speaker]

Way we approve baby formula in the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so here is. And I have two more short clips on this because I didn't know that it contains seed oils and arsenic and fructose corn syrup. The exit strategy out of this is going back to boom boobs. What happened to that? What was wrong with breast milk? I'm asking you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think they're assuming that. I mean, I'm assuming that most mothers breastfeed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I think.

[Adam Curry]

And then they have breast pumps to get the excessive milk and then they put that. And that's what they use for the. In a bottle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't use that. I don't think so. I'm quite confident that the baby forms formula lobby has psyoped everybody into believing you just need baby formula. I'm not so sure. I mean, the, the last time I saw a woman breastfeeding was at a no agenda meetup.

[Adam Curry]

You see a lot of breastfeeding in the San Francisco Bay area and that would be the place you'd think there would be. You know, I mean, it seems, I don't know. I, I mean, there should be a survey done. There's no re. If you, if a woman can breastfeed, there's absolutely no reason that you would ever use baby formula. It's not going to be as good ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now Tina is texting me and I'm just. And I was going to say this. She says some women can't breastfeed. They have issues with attachment. Yes, there is that or producing enough milk. And now I'm not a woman.

[Adam Curry]

Say you had twins or if you had triplets, you're not going to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Able to handle it in agreement, but to me it sounds like the majority is using formula.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know what? Neither of us really know.

[Adam Curry]

No, we don't know. Neither one of us actually know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I do know that I wouldn't.

[Adam Curry]

Have assumed what you assume. I would assume the opposite. Well, so somebody, we have to get some stats.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need an expert.

[Adam Curry]

We need stats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call the Archduke of Luna.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Archduke of Luna. Lover of American. Lover of boobs. He would be the. The. The. The clearinghouse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Darling, do you want to come in and be the expert? She's blowing up my phone. Look, I'm not. I'm not right. Okay, there you go. The expert speaks. I'm not right.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that would mean I'm right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're right. I guess.

[Adam Curry]

What was that again?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. I guess.

[Adam Curry]

A guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you are right. You're correct. Correct. I.

[Adam Curry]

Sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what did we do? What did we. Sir, you are right, sir. What did we do? Before baby formula. Did the children just die of malnutrition?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Water.

[Adam Curry]

Gave them water.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just died. They just died. Or from what I understand, there's a lot of dark networks who trade baby milk, mothers who can. Who have excess and they sell it or they trade it.

[Adam Curry]

Listen to me. Look, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you know what, John?

[Adam Curry]

Neither theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, In a minute. You're already right, sir.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, but I was just going to say if you go back in time before baby formula. Formula, which is obviously a mishmash of stuff, why wouldn't you just give the kid cow's milk in a bottle?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, neither of us know. Neither of us know. But I would like to know before Formula. Formula. What happened? Were they. I mean, some people are saying wet nurses. I, I'm. I've heard of that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm sure that you can. Now, here you go. Tina, who is. Who should just get on the mic, actually is telling me that Saddle Tramp. You remember Saddle Tramp? Saddle Tramp listens to the show. Yeah, you do? She's. She's a producer. Saddle Tramp. She could not produce or could not attach or whatever. Whatever. And she made her own formula with raw milk. So there's. Playing into your theory. I would just like to know if these are new issues. What happened? Why can women no longer provide their milk? So just tell me what happened back on the prairie. Little House on the Prairie. What did Laura Ingalls do. That's all I want to know. And now I'll continue with the atrocities. Obesity that is baby formula, which makes me want to breastfeed.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm like choking as you're talking. Full disclosure, doctor. I've got a five month old on formula at home. I do know now a considerable number of moms who are essentially importing baby formula from European countries because it is so called cleaner, you know, it has less preservatives, less chemicals. Is that a good, a good thing to be doing right now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, look, our process in terms of our regulation of baby formula has been frozen in time.

[Unknown Speaker]

There have been incredible advances in nutrition science. We had an expert this week at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The do you want your children ingesting nutrition science? I don't think so.

[Unknown Speaker]

We had an expert this week at the FDA on our expert panel talk about how in primate studies, when primates are fed a certain kind formula, that is with a certain kind of seed oil, their visual acuity was worse on the eye chart.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is important research.

[Adam Curry]

What seed oil is blinding people.

[Unknown Speaker]

Their visual acuity was worse on the eye chart.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is important research.

[Unknown Speaker]

So we've got to innovate and that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we're doing here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, what about expeller seed oil, oils, expellers. The whole thing is out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Now I've had this article, by the.

[Adam Curry]

Way, I'm somewhat in agreement with you because I think that the women of the world, but America mostly because we're suckers, have been sold a bill of goods on this idea of formula instead of natural breastfeeding. I know what you're thinking, even though I got you to agree with me. But I know exactly what you're thinking because there's been a propagandistic promotion by Nestle and others who make the formulas to tell moms, no, no, no, no. This is better because it's formulated. That's why it's called a formula. Get it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. So that's all I want to know is before formula, just in 1849, go west yard man and lady and family. What would they do if they were out if they could not produce breast milk? Could they did every was always, hey, no problem, I got it. Or they have attachment problems. Did they not have those problems? What caused those problems? This is what, this is what operation Stork should do for me. I want to know more about like they had no problem. Well, raw milk is great from a cow, but now you need Innovation in baby formula. So Marty here, Dr. Marty, he seems more like he's working on behalf of Big Food than on behalf of the American people.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I've had this article for the past three shows. No one has done a news report on it, which is bothersome, but it's fine.

[Adam Curry]

You couldn't find a clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, exactly. Well, and that makes.

[Adam Curry]

I've got a bunch of those backed up, too. It's like, where's the clip? Where's the media? Why isn't this being covered where somebody's actually saying something? No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And. And so I've been reluctant to talk about this because I don't like spiking the ball unnecessarily. And it's not exactly spiking the ball, but it finally.

[Adam Curry]

Spiking the ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not yet, but it showed up in the New York Post. So that means eventually Fox News will do a story on it. This is about Ozempic. Many male Ozempic users are saying since they started injecting the weight loss shot, their penises have grown, some say up to one inch.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, bro, this is like. Yeah, well, yeah, if you got a big fat gut, you're just, you know, and you shrink, everything's gonna look bigger that, you know, that doesn't get affected.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, why don't you. This might be something that maybe you should experiment with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I still want to be able to walk, you know.

[Adam Curry]

That's not the line. The line is big enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I did it in my own way. You just didn't like my punchline.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it wasn't as good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't like my punchline. Okay. Now, I would just like to, for a moment. Oh, by the way, No, I have one more big pharma clip here. When we're talking about new pandemics and, you know, the COVID if we've got the M. Beta 8128.111. Beta, beta, pre release.

[Adam Curry]

You know, just as an aside, my favorite. I don't have a clip, but it's all over the place. Every newsletter. McCullough, by the way, I'm sick and tired of McCullough and Pinsky going on TV selling crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, It's a little bothersome, isn't it?

[Adam Curry]

It's very bothersome. These guys, and then they have their websites and they're selling crap. Overpriced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very expensive. Overpriced. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Overpriced. Overpriced. Everything. You can get it elsewhere cheaper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

But the latest thing floating around next means horrible death and next spike. The new moderna vaccine means next means horrible in Latin. It means horrible death in Latin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen these? Oh, I've gotten dozens.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't seen that yet. No, but you will.

[Adam Curry]

But the thing, the funny thing is if you do a Latin translation, I mean, if you wanted to have more fun, Nex does mean death in Latin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spell that. Nex. Nex.

[Adam Curry]

Nex.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, nex.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody said anything about nexium, which has been around for 30 years. But okay, so nex means that, but if you use nex spike, which is the name of this vaccine, and you put that in the Latin generator, it means don't, which is actually funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is good. No, the only thing, this just caught my eye because it's like when you're, when you're pushing this, the, you know, we're the next spike and the new pandemic and all the. Then Netflix comes along and has a new documentary. Just bothered me.

[Adam Curry]

Native to Asia and sub Saharan Africa, pangolins are the only mammals. Baby pangolin. Pangolin lives at Chicago's Brookfield Zoo, the only place in the US where visitors can see pangolins up close. Pangolins are also one of the world's most trafficked mammals, prized for their meat and scales, which are used in traditional medicine. Poaching and deforestation of their natural habitats have drastically reduced their population. And several pangolin species are now listed as as threatened or endangered. Now a new Netflix documentary is bringing long overdue attention to the creatures. Pangolin Kulu's journey follows a baby pangolin as he journeys back to the wild after being rescued from poachers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me. Like now all of a sudden, the pangolin is some endangered species. I thought they were running around Asia spreading Covid all day long. Guess not.

[Adam Curry]

Pangolins, okay. They are cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

So a little bit about Elon and Trump, which you can say I'm right anytime you want. Because it became a huge deal during the show on Thursday. It became the topic for at least 48 hours. Non stop, non stop, nonstop. You can say you're right, Adam, anytime.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was always in agreement with the thesis that it was bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

You started off by saying was boring and no one cares about it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't. I'm not changing my mind about that. It is boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

My presentation was long and uninteresting.

[Adam Curry]

To you it was long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. You said it was uninteresting. No one was talking about it. It doesn't matter.

[Adam Curry]

I never said no one was talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

About it because have to say is, you're right, sir.

[Adam Curry]

You're right, sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, good. So to prove that we both were correct, that this is a game, this is wwe. This is something they agreed ahead of time.

[Adam Curry]

The Apprentice, in his phony baloney. He did in the Apprentice. He created phony feuds.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of these, all of these things. It's all completely set. And by the way, Elon deleted his X post about Trump being in the Epstein files. Oh really? Well, that's. Even if it was true and they had a real fight. That's weak.

[Adam Curry]

I want to interrupt. And somebody pointed this obviousity out that we should have caught too. If Trump was in the Epstein files, the Democrats would have been revealed during the election cycle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the Democrats would have used it instead. They had to make up Russiagate. They had to make up a Stormy Daniels. Whether it was made up or not. They went after that. Of course. These files have been with the FBI since. Since Trump's initial. When did Epstein not kill himself or did kill himself? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We've already lost track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Cash Patel, by the way. I'll get to that minute. So Mike Johnson goes on ABC and he screws up. He screws up. He gives it away.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the President suggested he could cut mock contracts.

[Unknown Speaker]

Obviously musk companies rely heavily on government contracts. Can he do that? Is that something he should consider?

[Adam Curry]

Is this Jonathan Karl?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I think it is Jonathan Karl, but I want.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he is such a. That guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's your buddy. Oh no, that's not your buddy. The other guy's your buddy.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, he's not my buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

But listen to what Johnson says. He gives it away heavily on government contracts.

[Adam Curry]

Can he do that? Is that something he should consider?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, I'm not going to get into the strategy of what happens with all of that. I mean what I'm trying to. The strategy. I'm not going to get into the strategy of all of that. What happens? In what case would you say that? When it's about this feud. So called feud.

[Adam Curry]

That's a very interesting catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to get into the strategy of all that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I wouldn't have caught it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I heard it right away. I'm like Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the strategy. Yeah, you don't. Wouldn't use that word unless there was something going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Unknown Speaker]

Rely heavily on government contracts. Can he do that. Is that something he should consider?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, I'm not going to get into the strategy of what happens with all of that. I mean, what I'm trying to do is make sure that although this gets resolved quickly, that we get the one big beautiful bill done and that hopefully, hopefully these two titans can reconcile. I think the President said his.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the other thing about that, now that you bring it up, this stuttering. When is that. This guy is not a stutterer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's his tell. It's his tell.

[Adam Curry]

It's a total tell. And he's stuttering like a madman because he knows something. He knows that this was set up as a strategy for whatever purpose and he was unfamiliar and he's nervous and he's shaking like a leaf, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although this gets resolved, we get the one big beautiful bill done and that hopefully these two titans can reconcile. I think the president and do you know how you can. I'm gonna ask the troll room on this and the listeners and producers in general. You know that this is phony. When John and I have a disagreement, just a disagreement, sometimes it gets a little heated. We go back and forth. Not like we've never gone to bed angry, but we, you know, it can get heated. Mainly it used to be really on my side. People will email, oh, oh, don't do that. You know, they'll be tweeting, mommy and daddy are fighting. Because they get uncomfortable by it. They feel very uncomfortable. I guarantee you, no one felt uncomfortable about this. No one felt like there was an actual friendly relationship, good friends who've been working together together, that they, that anyone felt like this was so real. Like, oh, I feel really uncomfortable about this. I don't think anyone felt.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good point because nobody. I don't see any evidence that anyone felt that anything was going on other than it being an exaggerated news story. Well, in a back and forth that there, there was. It was like a back and forth volley, like a, like an exhibition tennis match.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the ball's going back and forth and back and forth and then with it, some end point inside. I think that this is going, going to kind of continue as a fake feud until after the midterms. This is, I think a lot this has to do with the midterms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, and now I'm like Mike Johnson. Here's the report about President Trump, who really sticks it out there in the explosive feud playing out in public yesterday between Trump and Musk, the world's richest man, warning Trump's tariffs will cause a recession this year.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's one of the many allegations Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made about Trump, including posting on X.

[Unknown Speaker]

Without me, Trump would have lost the election.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adding such ingratitude.

[Unknown Speaker]

Musk also calling for Trump to be.

[Adam Curry]

Impeached and accusing Trump of being in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Jeffrey Epstein files.

[Adam Curry]

Musk providing no evidence to back up that claim.

[Unknown Speaker]

ABC's John Karl speaking with Trump on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The phone this morning.

[Adam Curry]

There's been reporting out there that the White House is working to put together a call between Elon Musk and Donald Trump to broker some kind of piece. I asked Donald Trump about that.

[Unknown Speaker]

He said he's not particularly interested in talking to Elon Musk. He said Elon wants to talk to him. He's not ready to talk to Mosque, who he called a man who has lost his mind.

[Adam Curry]

Now that the little element there that I think is important is the Elon dropping the impeachment word out there because that has to be in play. It has to be impressed upon the Republican voters who never come out for the middle terms who would just as soon let the whole Congress slip back to the Democrats. They have to have it in play that if the Democrats get Congress, the first thing they're going to do is impeach Trump again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the thing that was just disappointing is all of the right wing, alt right alternative media ball, the podcast, all are saying, well, this is what it was all about, you know, and Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro says, oh, you know, it was really because Trump wouldn't, wouldn't accept Elon's suggestion for NASA administrator. And there's more like I think Megyn Kelly, you know, it's like, come on, this is stupid. The fact that they are, that Ben Shapiro is falling for this unless he's been read in on it. That's very possible, but I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Now that's a, you know, just possible that more than one, one of the right wing broadcasters have been ready and, and just said go along with it, we'll deal with it later.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, we've been possible, we've been.

[Adam Curry]

We never get read in on anything. I should mention this. We don't get read in. We don't know anything. We are just pure analysts.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't know nothing.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know nothing. You can't put anything on us. We, you can, you can put us in a torture wreck. We can't tell you anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so this brings me to a portion of a note that I got from one of our nights. And yeah, because we've been deconstructing a little bit of podcasts, which is how people are getting their media. Our people are getting their media. And here's an excerpt from our Knight's email, which I really appreciate you said this, but I have thoughts. It has occurred to me to wonder if moving towards including podcast content in the show might alienate listeners. In recent months, no Agenda has analyzed clips from three podcasts that I listen to and have highly favorable thoughts about and feel loyalty towards. One aspect of the no Agenda humor is the disparaging tone used when analyzing media. This works well for me as a listener because I realize what junk the M5M has become and so I up end enjoy it. It is uncomfortable to hear someone you admire and respect go after someone else you admire and respect in that tone. So this is. So this is important because we have always. Not that we're always right. We have always said what we think and we believe. We're not read in. We don't know nothing. We're just analyzing media because we've grown up. I literally grew up with it. And you've been in it longer than most people can, can can remember. And we have never, never thought, oh, let's not mention this, this might piss off our listeners. Which it has. Covid. In the beginning, people were livid. Covid. In the middle, people were livid about the, the menstrual. When we looked at the numbers. That's not true. You're full of crap. You can't we be Ukraine right away, Right away we said, this is, this is a psyop. Here's how it started. People, people in Texas were mad at me because people in Texas had Ukraine flags out, by the way. No longer good for them.

[Adam Curry]

Finally getting a clue.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, when, when we give our view, our opinion, our historical knowledge and our research about Israel. And no, we do not believe that Israel controls the entire US Government. People get pissed off.

[Adam Curry]

So yeah, why do people want the government to be did? I mean, it's, it's beyond me, but. Okay, continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because people want to make sense of their world and when things happen that they feel doesn't make sense, it's, you know, then you've got to listen. When you go to the podcasters who are saying this is true and that, you know, and they respect those podcasters and we say no, it makes them feel uncomfortable. Well, let me put it to you this way. If you go through an entire no Agenda episode and you haven't felt uncomfortable once, you should probably consider going somewhere else because you should feel uncomfortable. From time to time to time. What. What job are we doing if we're. That it's called. That's called audience capture, which we get accused of all the time.

[Adam Curry]

We do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

How is that, how does that go?

[John C. Dvorak]

They're only, they're only saying this for the people who send them money.

[Adam Curry]

Saying what for the people who send them money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're not talking against the Jews because they get all that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Jews. It's always about the Jews.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not often. It's been other things in the past. Dude, I even saw a donation come in today. Here I'm Read it ahead. Ross Johnson, knighting donation. I haven't donated in years. Because Adam hated Elon. Because. No, because of Adam's Elon hatred. Obviously. He's been short selling for years. Adam flips like a fish out of water. Adam flips out like a fish out of water because of facts on X. What? I've. Since when did I flip on Elon? I've always said the same thing. All I'm saying is I don't believe that Elon and Palantir are all going to take over the world with their AI Grok. Like all other AI is a piece of crap. It's.

[Adam Curry]

Which is. Unfortunately, I don't have a clip, but the story about the 700 Indians posing as AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I've had this story story for four shows and we never. I almost got it to got to it. Two weeks ago, Microsoft invested $1.5 billion.

[Adam Curry]

Down the drain with these fakes. Yeah, too funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you'd send off like, I want some code to do this. And the Indian, the anonymous Indian in the back, they were all coding it up and there was not a single piece of AI was actually doing it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Which brings me to this clip, calling.

[Unknown Speaker]

To mind an army of robots from the sci fi movie iRobot. Leading AI firm Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei warned of a labor market bloodbath caused by artificial intelligence that could wipe out half of all entry level white collar jobs within five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's a little bit of truth in what he's saying, but there's a lot, a lot of exaggeration too, claiming.

[Unknown Speaker]

Silicon Valley author and AI expert Gary Marcus is skeptical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Entry level workers probably are the most affected, but most white collar jobs aren't.

[Adam Curry]

Going anywhere that soon.

[Unknown Speaker]

In a memo shared by Shopify CEO Toby Leutka in April, he said, before asking to increase headcount, teams must demonstrate why they can't get what they want done by AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Businesses are using AI as an excuse.

[Adam Curry]

Because the want to cut employees and so they use it as a cover.

[Unknown Speaker]

Mounting evidence of a phenomenon that's hard to track of jobs quietly disappearing because of AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, did you see that story about the 700 anonymous Indians masking as an AI company? Was that really big on CNBC? Were they really like all over that? Like hawks like wow, I can't believe Microsoft got scammed on this one. I don't think so. Because they want you to buy, buy, buy, buy. If, if the AI bubble pops, there's a going to be blood on the moon.

[Adam Curry]

Well, because of the amount of money and the, and the capitalization and the rest of it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes, Canada began to.

[Adam Curry]

It's not going to pop anytime soon, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well no, because they'll obfuscate all of that. Here's so I truly believe because of the AI hype there will be more jobs that than ever I've had. I've had a lot of experience in the past three months with AI and coding. As a non coder it is atrocious. But if you're a coder, you can certainly use like as in you. So I don't want to say coder. If you're a software engineer, you can certainly use coder. I don't like coder. You can certainly use the large language models to check syntax and to save you some time on things. But. And yes, of course you can say hey, build me a check in script. So when people come to the front desk they put their. Yeah, of course it can do that. All right. You don't need to employ a full time employee to do those types of things necessarily. But I've talked to enough dudes named Ben and dudettes named Bernadette who say no, no, this is, it's not. You cannot put this in the hands of mere mortals. It doesn't do the job. The only, only thing we have to be worried about with AI is people's loneliness. It was actually Rolling Stone of all of all publications. I did not expect this from them. People are losing loved ones to AI fueled spiritual fantasies. People are moving towards artificial intelligence, I. E. Chatbots. Let's just call it one what it is because they're lonely and they want to have interactions. And these interactions with men of course frequently lead to sexual fantasies. And you know, it's no different than, you know, the 9, 900 lines back in the 80s. You'd think that you were talking to some hot, hot chick and you know, People were paying two to five dollars a minute.

[Adam Curry]

It was a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. People were. Were losing their. Their mortgage money and all kinds of stuff. And so people are turning to chatbots to alleviate their loneliness, which actually is the same.

[Adam Curry]

Not to mention. I never thought about this because I forgot about those 900 lines. And they always had a lot of advertising on tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, all the time back in the day.

[Adam Curry]

It all just disappeared kind of overnight.

[John C. Dvorak]

When things started, when the Internet came.

[Adam Curry]

Along, well, it was. I think there was more of the abuse of people. They would get one of these 900 number lines, and it wasn't for chatting, but they use it for customer service. And they would. And people would say, be put on hold. And they didn't know they were on a 900 line that was charging them $2 an hour. They get these huge phone bills. I remember thinking people talking about, look at this $5,000 phone bill. And they go on and bitching about the phone bills. And that became a lot of bad publicity. And I think the whole thing died off because of that. More than the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the Internet didn't help.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, of course now the Internet didn't help anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, I've. So I. When I went to the nrb, the National Religious Broadcasters Conference, there was this company. I don't want to mention the company because it doesn't matter, but they were selling artificial intelligence pastors, basically. I don't think they called it it that. But you. You put this chat bot on your website and. And they. Their testimony was, well, people will tell their intimate thoughts and spiritual issues to a chatbot sooner than they would say it to a pastor. And the danger in all this, of course, is that, you know, you. You. You need human connection with people. And this is being. This is the. This. This is the absolute danger of artificial intelligence, is the parlor trick, the chatbot. And in fact, one of our producers sent me a. And Meta is way ahead of everybody. And they're smart because instead of trying to make a large language model that can program code for you, any app you want in the world, they're creating bots, engagement bots. So one of our producers sent me a Facebook screenshot of a Facebook chat group for the Lake Elizabeth families, right? So Lake Elizabeth, small community, they have a little Facebook group, and all of a sudden, Lizzie pops up. And Lizzie is a cute little robot. Looks like a robot, you know, about the size of a. I don't know, the size of a small doll. Hi there. I'm Lizzy. The group's AI. I'm a resource here to help you help the group. You might start seeing me comment on posts if I can find relevant past content so you don't have to dig and post to help you catch up on group activity or even get a conversation going. Like, this is bad. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this was bad from one perspective. But it's effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's effective. And people are very. Just the. I mean, this is your dead Internet happening as it takes place. And by the way, the most underreported story from two weeks ago regarding AI.

[D]

Today it's my honor to officially sign the Take It down act into law. It's a big thing, very important. So horrible what takes place. This will be the first ever federal law to combat the distribution of explicit imaginary posted without subject's consent. They take horrible pictures and I guess sometimes even make up the pictures and they post it without consent or anything else. And very importantly, this includes for forgeries generated by artificial intelligence known as deepfakes. We've all heard about deep fakes. I have them all the time, but I don't. Nobody does anything. I asked Pam, can you help me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Pam?

[Unknown Speaker]

She's.

[D]

She says, no, I'm too busy. Too busy doing other things. Don't worry, you'll survive. But a lot of people don't survive. That's true. And so horrible. With the rise of AI image generation, countless women have been harassed with deep fakes and other explicit images distributed against their will. This is the wrong. And it's just so horribly wrong. And it's a very abusive situation. Like in some cases, people. People have never seen before. And today we're making it totally illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

So of course the news media did nothing with this.

[Adam Curry]

No, there was no reporting on this whatsoever. None.

[John C. Dvorak]

For several reasons. One, it's about AI and we all think the memes are funny. Two, it is a project spearheaded entirely by the first lady, Melania Trump. So we can't give her any props for anything. But. But here is the funniest part. Part of it. So I go to the Library of Congress to read the, to read the bill. Like that's what I do. And I. So this is about artificial intelligence because that's what makes these things creating really, you know, the horrible images, you know, of Taylor Swift. Well, kids are doing it on their classmates. And, and yeah, this is disgusting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, kids are the worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. But it's about AI and I'm reading the summary. The summary is generated by AI. Listen to this. This bill generally prohibits the non consensual online publication of intimate visual depictions of individuals both authentic and computer generated and requires certain online platforms to promptly remove such depictions upon receiving notice of their existence. Existence. Specifically, the bill prohibits the online publication of intimate visual depictions of an adult subject. When you start off by saying this bill generally prohibits. Generally, I've never seen that in the Library of Congress, never. Separately, covered platforms must establish a process through which subjects of intimate visual depictions may notify the platform of the existence of and request removal of an intimate visual depiction, including the subject that was published without the subject's consent. I'm telling you, this is a ChatGPT summary. I've read enough of them. It's just, it's hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's ironic.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's very interesting because the specifics are intimate visual depictions of an adult subject where publication is intended to cause or does harm or does cause harm to the subject, where the depiction was published without the subject's consent or in the case of an authentic depiction was created or obtained under circumstances where the adult had a reasonable expectation of privacy. Glenn Greenwald. Or a minor subject where publication is intended to abuse or harass the minor or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. This is a pretty broad bill and I, I guess covered platforms must remove such depictions within 48 hours of notification. Under the bill, covered platforms are defined as public websites, online services or applications that primarily provide a forum for user generated content. You know, like our end of show mixes user generated content. So, so no coverage of this whatsoever. No coverage. And I think that's a pretty big deal.

[Adam Curry]

It's the editors. The editors of the major news outlets are no good. They're the ones who do the headlines that are misleading. The editors write headlines. People in the business know this. Once in a while you can get a headline through, but rarely the editors are, oh, I got a better headline than that. And they're the ones who, who assign stories and they're the ones who promote stories in the meetings and say, we're going to cover this, we're going to cover that. We're not going to cover this and we're not going to cover that. It's this. The editors of America.

[John C. Dvorak]

You remember Marjorie Taylor Greene who said, well if I'd known that was in the bill, I wouldn't have voted for it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she got suckered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, she did. Well, here's the details about this 10 year AI regulation ban on the states.

[Unknown Speaker]

There is a section in the Big Beautiful bill that would move to update for federal government systems with the help of AI. So what could this mean on a state level? Our sources to answer this, the US Congress, Catawba College political professor Michael Bitzer and the National Conference of State Legislatures. The big beautiful bill outlines the initiative in section 43201. It would grant $500 million over the next 10 years to quote, modernize and secure federal information technology systems. But the bill would also ban state led AI regulations and block dozens of states from enforcing pre existing rulings. So anytime the federal government tells the states what they can and cannot do, that's a component of federalism. Now oftentimes that might get challenged in court by various states. Right now there is no centralized federal oversight of AI legal, leaving states to navigate the ever changing technology on their own. This type of regulation is something the federal government has done for decades. One example is raising the drinking age. The reason that we have a drinking age of 21 was federal legislation back in the 1980s. The federal government said states if you want federal highway funds for your interstate highways, you have to raise your drinking age age from 18 to 21. When it comes to how individual states can respond. Well, states can go into court and certainly challenge any federal policy that they disagree with. And so this may be, you know, the ultimate, you know, inroad. If this does get passed within this legislation, some states may say no, we want the power to be able to oversee AI in our borders. We're going to challenge this in federal court.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's going to be a question of oh, you don't like it, no money for you. And I think the state should have the right to regulate that however they want to.

[Adam Curry]

I have mixed feelings about it. I don't like the idea of this. In certain situations where you have one state saying one thing, another state saying another and it becomes a problem because, because of the especially anything regarding AI which is cross connected to the Internet, which is just which goes beyond. Is beyond state lines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah. Well Marjorie Taylor Greene would not have voted for it if she knew that was in there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just take us down a quick path of NATO and Zelensky and the drones because it's interesting what's happening happening here then it's.

[Adam Curry]

I have clips if I could follow up with you after you're done. I have some clips on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

So right now we're in a, in a situation where the, the ministers, the defense ministers in the EU, well NATO really, but let's just say it's the.

[Adam Curry]

EU.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are talking about the 5% that quite honestly President Trump is demanding from them to buy our military gear. And so let's listen first to the Swedish Minister of Defense. NATO needs to achieve a strong ability to deter and defend. We take note of Russia right now being bogged down in and around Ukraine. It hasn't been successful so far. But we also know after an armistice or a peace agreement, of course Russia is going to allocate more forces closer to. To our vicinity. Therefore, it's extremely important that the alliance used these couple of years now when Russia is delimiting by its force postures in around Ukraine and also that it has been weakened by the war that we do an historic buildup on, on our armed forces. I do want to convey that this is an historic moment for Europe. If we are able to reach 5% by 2030 or 2032, we're going to go up to defense investment, positive the height of the Cold War. And it's necessary for us to strengthen our ability to defer and defend and continue living in peace. Okay, Sweden's in for 5%. Let's go to Lithuania. This is pal John. No, that was Paul Johnson. This is. What's her name here? Dovid Saklin, the minister. That's a. I'm sure I got that wrong. She's the Minister of defense for Lithuania. NATO needs to. Oh, that's the Swedish guy again. Hold on a second. Here she is.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, yesterday it was just, you know, informal meetings about that, but today we are going to have a real discussion. So my question to my colleagues is that if we all trust our intelligence, if we trust NATO military intelligence, and they say that it's just a few years until Russia is going to be able to test NATO. Then what are we going to do? Ask them for extension. Ask them to delay the deadline. This is not going to happen. So therefore I'd like to hear the answers. What is then their plan?

[John C. Dvorak]

Translation? If we don't do it and Russia attacks, we're going to say, hold on, we don't. We got to get the money. Very smart, miss from Lithuania. But it was Ruta short clip who gave it away. When I heard him, I'm like, okay, I see what's going on here. He, he was asked a question at this minister summit. He's always there by, by the way. Look, I'm just going to say maybe he has a cold, but he is touching and rubbing and sniffing his nose is like that. I've never seen him do this, but he now answers a question about even.

[Adam Curry]

You spotted it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and I'm not the Guy who spots that. You're usually the guy who spots that. And. And now Dave Ackerman, who sent me this clip, he sent, he always sends me the. The YouTube videos of France 24 and stuff. And I clip it in whatever I want. He now calls him White Lines Ruta. And so White Lines is talking about hybrid warfare. Hybrid. Ah, this is something new. Two things. First, when we discuss hybrid and that we realize that that is basically an umbrella for sometimes an assassination attempt on the CEO of a big company, sometimes the jamming of commercial airplane planes in parts of NATO airspace, sometimes even cyber attacks, for example. And I mentioned that before, the example, you know, at the National Health Service in United Kingdom. So we have seen this. We have seen the Schiphol case in 2018, March 2018 in the UK, which was of course also an assassination attempt. So these issues, we really have to consider that this is next to the traditional warfare is increasing, that we have to know what is happening, that we have to know how we can make sure that those doing this, if this, the Russians, whoever are behind this, that we not only notice but don't accept it, and that we will find ways to make sure it stops. And that is what the hybrid strategy is all about. Yeah, the hybrid strategy. The only thing he didn't mention is the driver drones, because that has been the change. This Operation Spiderweb from Ukraine against Russia, I think was a big promotional push and was just a little background. You heard it in your, your news overview from abc. Here's Martha Raddatz with the President of Ukraine, the dancing Vladimir Zelensky.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let's talk about Operation Spiderweb, please. So you believe you did destroy maybe 40 aircraft. Others say maybe 10 to 20. How many did you destroy?

[John C. Dvorak]

We think, we think, we think and.

[Adam Curry]

We have our analytics that we destroyed 34% of the strategic jets.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Zelensky describing the operation as complicated and clandestine.

[Adam Curry]

Clandestine. 18 months in the making. So secretive, not even the US was informed.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to prepare such class, by the way. Bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

I agree with you. There's no way we weren't informed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

It was just a plausible deniability. Bull crap. Making so secretive, not even the US was informed. We have to prepare such plans and we are not stop it. We have to prepare such plans because Russia can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we don't know. We don't really know if they will stop this war. They don't want.

[Adam Curry]

They don't want to stop the war. This is the problem, the key to the plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukrainian drones, just like these which the.

[Adam Curry]

President's office arranged for us to see this weekend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Simple, yet deadly, packed with an explosive unit.

[Adam Curry]

This is one of many drone production.

[John C. Dvorak]

Facilities across Ukraine spread out across the country. We can't tell you exactly where we.

[Adam Curry]

Are because obviously these facilities are Russian targets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So obviously it's very secretive, what she's doing everything there. This is a little more background on operation SpiderWeb.

[Adam Curry]

The 100 drones used in Operation Spider.

[John C. Dvorak]

Web were smuggled into Russia hidden in containers with remotely controlled retractable roofs. The drones had all been concealed on trucks with Russian drivers unknowingly delivering the payload. They didn't know anything that they didn't know what will be in the roofs.

[Adam Curry]

They didn't know just when it will. When, because they didn't know what will be.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's why they didn't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't know when it will be and where.

[Adam Curry]

So this is, I think the. This is important, very important. And those drones and the Ukrainian pilots.

[Unknown Speaker]

Guiding them, knowing the Russian aircraft's most.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vulnerable spot, where the fuel is held. After examining old Soviet aircraft still in Ukraine and on display. And we have heard that they knew.

[Unknown Speaker]

What parts of that airplane to hit.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Because you have airplanes here.

[Adam Curry]

Well, as museums. Yes. They knew exactly where to hit, and they did it exactly what was in their idea. Step by step. They did very clear this operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so now let's talk about this operation. Let's talk about this operation from a podcast, Preston Stewart. And I'm not going to poop on Preston. No pooping on Preston. He had Yevgen Karas, the Commander of Ukraine's 413th Unmanned Systems Forces Battalion, on the podcast about the drones. And I mean, the whole, the whole podcast, like 40 minutes is great. It's in the show notes, this guy talks about the drones, about how fan, you know, they get. If they create a drone configuration that. That kills Russians, they get a bonus. I mean, it's like a game. It's literally like a video game. But then you got to kind of get into. Because he's a Ukrainian speaking, speaking English, listen to what he says about where the drones came from.

[Unknown Speaker]

Some companies start moving.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think many countries, many companies.

[Unknown Speaker]

They want to bring their weapons here to be clarify is it working?

[John C. Dvorak]

Many companies from many countries want to bring their weapons here to. He says, clarify, verify. In other words, to verify, certify that their weapons are working to test market. To test market. Thank you. Many countries, many companies, they want to.

[Unknown Speaker]

Bring their weapons here to be clarify is it working?

[John C. Dvorak]

And they use it like Assistance to Ukraine.

[Unknown Speaker]

Some drones we buy from the government, some drones still now are sending to Ukraine as a gift.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know some very rich guys, especially now.

[Unknown Speaker]

One American guy doing very big gives to Ukraine army.

[John C. Dvorak]

One big rich American guy sending drones to the uk, the Ukraine army. Really, he really saved many of our lives because he do his job well.

[Unknown Speaker]

And his running is not so expensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

His drones are cheap. He sends them to us for free to go test market them. And then right on cue, the Wall Street Journal. I'd never heard of the jcu. Remember we heard that guy, the lieutenant colonel, the propagandist about the, about drone warfare. Oh, we're not ready. We gotta get ready. We gotta get ready for the drones. Well, the Wall Street Journal did a report on the JCU drone anti drone warfare and how they're training our troops.

[Unknown Speaker]

The US military has launched a new.

[Adam Curry]

School to train American armed forces in how to counter the emerging threat of drones, or what it calls unmanned aircraft systems, or uas. The first academy of its kind, the Joint Counter Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems University.

[Unknown Speaker]

Or JCU, will train about 1,000 troops a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Warfare is changing very fast.

[Adam Curry]

This threat right here, this current threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

With respect to uas, it's the pace of your phone changing.

[Unknown Speaker]

This footage is from a Ukrainian drone.

[Adam Curry]

Attack carried carried out against Russian forces. And this video is from a Hamas drone attack in November carried out against Israeli forces in Gaza. The proliferation of small, cheap, commercially available drones is transforming modern warfare. And this has not been lost on the Pentagon.

[Unknown Speaker]

Colonel Mosef Sauda is the director of the jcu.

[John C. Dvorak]

The pace of the need is outgrowing capacity right now. So we're trying to train as many people as possible and trying to grow as fast as possible to fit that need.

[Unknown Speaker]

Today, students at Fort Sill are training on weapon systems to counter small unmanned aircraft. The students are also learning how to use another handheld system, the drone Buster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whereas the smart shooter utilizes the 5.56 round. This is known as an electronic attack system.

[Unknown Speaker]

So the soldier is taking this here.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're pointing in the general direction of the target that they see. And then the soldier replacement operation utilized various jamming means to interdict that target. 10 minute video on the anti drone warfare. President Trump. This came in two days ago. President Trump orders restrictions slashed on U.S. drones. Executive orders give local law enforcement more power to take down rogue drones. Okay, well, isn't that interesting? This thing was a, a sales video. The sales video for not just the drone industry, but according to a producer, boots on the Ground. I am familiar with Internal discussion says our, of course, anonymous source familiar with the matter. I just listened to your iron dome versus golden dome presentation on episode 1770 at the 48 minute, 30 second mark. You are correct in your concept, but incorrect in your Nomad nomenclature. Iron Dome is out. There is only Golden Dome. Golden Dome is very broad, multiple layers. Sea, land, air, space, cyber. That should draw a better picture of the context of the concept's correct nomenclature. The iron. The Golden Dome will be against drones. It is the boondoggle of all boondoggles that President Trump is launching here for the military industrial complex. Huge boondoggle.

[Adam Curry]

Name of military industrial complex thing ever. That's not a boondoggle, Right. Besides World War II.

[John C. Dvorak]

But when you. Yeah, but when you throw in the drones. Hybrid, baby. It's. This is what Ruta is. Ruta is the sale. He's the. He's the brown shoes Hybrid. Oh, it's hybrid. We got to have Golden Dome against poisoning people. Golden Dome against shooting executives. Golden Dome against cyber. Golden Dome against. Against drones. By the way, listen again, because you didn't catch it, to the Swedish Defense minister. What the Swedish Defense Minister says. And this is someone who's in the conversations about Ukraine and Russia.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, yesterday it was just, you know, informal meetings about that, but today we're going to have a real discussion. So my question to my colleagues is that if we all trust our intelligence, if we trust NATO military intelligence, and they say that it's just a few years until Russia is going to be able to test NATO, then what are we going to do? Ask them for extension. Ask them to shoot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where is this?

[Unknown Speaker]

Delay the deadline. This is not going to happen. So therefore, I'd like to hear the answers. What is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, crap. Oh, crap. I cut it out. My best part. I did it well.

[Adam Curry]

That's why I didn't spot it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, she said armistice. Whether there's going to be a peace or an armistice. Crap. I'm sorry. I blew that one.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And you were accusatory?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. No, I thought I was slim. Sly, she mentioned armistice. It's going to be an armistice. There will never be a peace. It will be an armistice after the big NATO summit meeting, after everybody is. All the defense ministers have agreed. They all sign their checks. It's all going to come in. There's going to be one big golden dome over America and probably over Europe. All golden. It's going to be beautiful. A beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go. Let's go meta on this whole thing and. And say that the Russians are in on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, well, here.

[Adam Curry]

And let's say that the Russians had a bunch of bombers they needed to get rid of because they got to, you know, these are old dogs. And let's, let's let them blow them up and we can start up our industrial complex and make some extra money for the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever they just blow. Blew up has to be built again. Bigger, better. Oh, yeah, no, I, I, War is a racket, this whole thing. And unfortunately, because, you know, they blow up all these.

[Adam Curry]

There's five bases that were attacked, it seems, in the last analysis. And so they blow up all these Russian bombers and the Russians don't make a bigger fuss than they did. They throw a few more drones and almost killed some somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see President, I'm in agreement with you. Did you see President Trump with Mr. Peepers?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was. Listen to these short clips.

[D]

I'd love to have that. I'd like it to start right now. We would leave.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is President Trump talking about peace between Russia and Ukraine.

[D]

I'd love to have that. I'd like it to start right now. We would leave a room if we knew the work and we'd say, forget about you guys. Forget about trade. Right. We'd say, let's go settle it. There's some additional fighting that's going to go on. You know, he was, he attacked and they attacked pretty harshly. They went deep into Russia and he actually told me, I mean, I made it very clear. He said, we have no choice but to attack. Attack based on that. And it's probably not going to be pretty. I don't like it. I said, don't do it. You shouldn't do it. You should stop it. But again, there's a lot of hatred.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. President Trump saying it's going to go on for a little bit longer. And then Peepers pipes up and says something very interesting.

[D]

We get satellite pictures of the warfield and you don't even like to look at them, right. Bodies, arms, heads, legs all over the place. You've never seen anything like it.

[Adam Curry]

It's.

[D]

It's so ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is only by Russian weapons against Ukraine. Notice what he said. Oh, no. There's only Russian weapons against Ukraine that blow up the people. That is not happening anywhere else.

[D]

Legs all over the place. You've never seen a thing like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's.

[D]

It's so ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is only by Russian weapons against Ukraine. This has never happened with Ukraine weapons against Russia. Never happened with Ukraine weapons against. You mean those drones that come in and fly the poor Russian soldiers running around and the drone just blows up on him. That didn't happen. Okay. Trump calls him out on just a little bit. Never. Ukraine is only targeting military targets, not civilians, not private, not instrument, not energy infrastructure. So this is the difference. And that's the reason why we are trying to do more on Russia, how to stop this war.

[D]

Well, in this case, I'm talking about the battlefield, you know, the soldiers on soldiers. But you could also say that too, with the cities. The cities are being hit also. So it's a terrible, terrible thing, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Terrible.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he had to. Course. Correct. That's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because people's like, Mr. Peepers is an idiot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And then, and then Trump says something very interesting, which of course didn't get play. But now that I think about it, yeah, that did kind of die down pretty quick.

[D]

You know, I'm very proud of the fact that with India and Pakistan, I was able to stop that. And those are nuclear powers that would have really. That was getting close to being out of hand. And I spoke to some very talented people on both sides, very good people on both sides, and I said, you know, we're dealing with you on trade. Pakistan and India right now, they say, we're not going to deal with you on trade. If you're going to go shooting each other and whipping out nuclear weapons that maybe even affect us because, you know that nuclear dust blows across oceans very quickly. It affects us. And I said, if you're going to do that, we're not going to do any trade deals. And you know what? I got that war stopped. Now I hope we don't go back and we find out that they signed it, but I don't, I don't think they will. They were both good. They were well represented. I want to congratulate both countries because as you know, the leader of India, who's a great guy, was here a few weeks ago. We had some great talks. We're doing a trade deal. And Pakistan likewise, they have very, very strong leadership. Some people won't like when I say that, but, you know, it is what it is, and they stopped that war. Now, am I going to get credit? I'm not going to get credit for anything. They don't give me credit for anything. But nobody else could have done it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't get credit for anything. But I believe it. I believe you called them up and said, hey, stop that nonsense or no trade deals. I believe that.

[Adam Curry]

I believe it, too. But I think the good people on both sides reference callback.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was funny. That was very funny.

[Adam Curry]

Good people on both sides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Both sides. Good people on both sides. And then during the peepers meeting. Oh, no. Oh, no. We're talking to China again.

[D]

We had a very good conversation with President Xi a little while ago, just before your arrival. In fact, we just hung up and they said, you're here. I said, that's pretty good. 2. Two great leaders of the world in a very short period of time. We had a very good talk and we've strayed out. Any complexity. I mean, it's very complex stuff and we straighten it out. The agreement was. We're going to have. Scott and Howard and Jamison will be going and meeting with their top people and continue forward. But no, I think we have everything. I think we're in very good shape with China and the trade deal. We have a deal with China, as you know. But we were straightening ourselves. Some of the points having to do mostly with rare earth magnets and some other things.

[Unknown Speaker]

Those reduced trade tariff rates, they remain in effect.

[D]

We have. We have the deal. I mean, we've had a deal. We announced the deal. And I guess you could say. I wouldn't even say finalizing it up, Scott. I would say we have a deal and we're going to just make sure that everybody understands what the deal is.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deal.

[Adam Curry]

He stumbled there. I don't think he meant to say that he kind of backed away. They have a deal, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clearly they have a deal. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Something's up. Yeah. Probably accounted for. The stock market there was going up a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was one. Yeah. There was one other thing that I thought was, you know, we're in the season of reveal. I mean, season of reveal. Well, hey, sorry. Well, the first thing of the season of reveal, this came. This was also in the. Let me see where it is. It was in the Wall Street Journal. Pentagon disinformation that fueled America's UFO mythology. Did you even hear about. About this?

[Adam Curry]

No. Tell me.

[John C. Dvorak]

A tiny Pentagon office had spent months investigating conspiracy theories about secret Washington UFO programs when it uncovered a shocking truth. At least one of those theories had been fueled by the Pentagon itself. The Congressional, Congressionally ordered probe took investigators back to the 1980s. Remember that whole, the whole hearing? And it was like, oh, no, I've seen it. It's off world. And we like, these guys are full of crap. When an Air Force colonel visited a bar near Area 51, a top secret site in the Nevada desert, he gave the owner photos of what might be flying saucers. The photos went up on the walls and into the local lore went the idea the US military was secretly testing recovered alien technology. But the Colonel was on a mission of disinformation. The photos were doctored. The now retired officer confessed.

[Adam Curry]

Doctored?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the now retired officer confessed to the Pentagon investigation. The whole exercise was a ruse to protect what was really going on in Area 51. The Air Force was using the site to develop top secret stealth fighters viewed as critical edge against at the time the Soviet Union. All those TikTok Tic Tac videos and stuff, trust me, this is all bullcrap. All of it, all of it has been to cover up their own. Their own stuff which probably doesn't work very well. Season of Reveal.

[Adam Curry]

They didn't reveal much.

[John C. Dvorak]

What that. That the Pentagon itself was lying about news. Well, it's in the Wall Street Journal, but who cares?

[Adam Curry]

Of course it the Pentagon was lying. Wait a minute, let me get this straight. The Pentagon was lying?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, gambling.

[Adam Curry]

But it's gambling going on and that's to you is the season of ruin reveal because it's been unknown in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Past that they lie about the UFO specifically. Listen, Joe Rogan.

[Adam Curry]

Well that could be. Maybe it's a meta. Maybe there's living with some aliens in the White House as we speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, I should have. I should have figured that one out.

[Adam Curry]

That would be your perspective. I don't get it. While you're, while you're knuckling under here to what might be a. An op.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so. Here's another season of reveal Now a.

[Adam Curry]

Japanese aerospace company trying to put a lander on the surface of the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Says it has lost contact with the craft.

[Adam Curry]

The lander Resilience is owned by I Space. And this is only the third time in history that a private company has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tried to reach the moon.

[Adam Curry]

It's also the first time a company outside the US has achieved this feat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Resilience is an uncrewed spacecraft which is was carried into orbit a SpaceX rocket in January.

[Adam Curry]

Keith Cowing's a space expert and editor of NASAWatch.com he joins us from Washington D.C. now I space the Japanese enterprise. They lost communication as the lander approached the surface of the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

We seem to hear that a lot.

[Adam Curry]

When people try and do this.

[D]

Yeah, it's going to the moon is straightforward. Orbiting the moon is straightforward. Coming down close to the moon, sending pictures is straightforward.

[Unknown Speaker]

But landing is always hard.

[D]

They were going kind of fast when they lost the telemetry of the data.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I really don't think we have.

[Unknown Speaker]

A healthy spacecraft on the moon.

[D]

We may have a crashed spacecraft, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

So getting this far, is that.

[Adam Curry]

Getting as far as actually starting to approach the moon to try and land. Is that. Is that standard, or is that actually quite an achievement?

[D]

You know, the idea is to go.

[Adam Curry]

To the moon and land there.

[Unknown Speaker]

And we sort of have, again, the.

[D]

Notion of going to the moon and going around it is easier than doing all the rocketry. So the thing lands exactly how you want it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm happy that they made it that far.

[D]

I just wish they would have gone.

[Unknown Speaker]

A little bit further and a little slower.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fifty years ago, we dented. We did it in a. In a tuna fish can. How can it be hard? This is second half of show.

[Adam Curry]

55 years ago, this is the second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Half of show stuff that you. They were missing so much. We never landed on the moon in the first place. The Japanese. Japanese make great cars. They can't even land on the moon. It's all fake. My favorite, though, is Cash Patel going on Rogan spending an hour talking. Talking about China killing us on purpose with fentanyl. Russiagate was a setup, really?

[Adam Curry]

Are you.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you.

[Adam Curry]

Did you watch the whole thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

I watched about. You didn't watch 70%. Did you watch the whole thing? And then he got an.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't watch any. I didn't watch any of it. I don't really watch too much Rogan.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was only. It was only on for two hours. The timing is interesting. And about Epstein. Well, you know. Yeah, we're gonna get.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're getting things hilarious to where they're. Yeah, they're handling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, we have to. We have to cover up a lot of stuff. We gotta, you know, we gotta protect the innocent and. But we're doing it. We're gonna get.

[Adam Curry]

We're gonna release an artificial intelligence movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of, you know, the problem. The AI keeps giving Epstein six fingers on one hand.

[Adam Curry]

So they fix that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can't.

[Adam Curry]

It's just a matter of time. They got to keep regenerating, and they'll have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what I like a lot, and I know that this is bubbling and he's been talking about. About it more and more. This is really going to come into play. This is the auto pen controversy.

[D]

Well, look, the auto pen, I think, is the big scandal outside of the rigged election of 2020. I think the biggest scandal of the last many years is the autopen and who's using it. I happen to think I know, okay? Because I'm here and I'm not a big Auto pen person, fortunately, I'm glad, I'm very glad it's an easy way out, but it's a very bad thing, very dangerous. You know, I sign important documents. Usually when they put documents in front of you, they're important. Even if you're signing ambassadorships or I consider that important. I think it's inappropriate. You have somebody that's devoting four years of their life or more to being an ambassador. I think you really deserve, that person deserves to get a real signature, not an auto pen signature. And I can tell auto pen easily. I can look at it like two little pinholes from pulling the paper. Right? You always see the pinholes. It's real easy to tell about auto pen. I think it's very disrespectful to people when they get an auto pen signature outside. Auto pen to me, are used when thousands of letters come in from young people all over the country and you want to get them back. And you know, people use auto pens for that, to send a little signature at the bottom of a letter. We have thousands of that. We get thousands of letters a week. And it's not possible to, you know, I'd like to do it myself, but you can't do it to me. That's where auto pens start and stop. But I don't think, I don't. I'm sure that he didn't know many of the things. Look, he was never for open borders. He was never for transgender, for everybody. He was never for men playing in women's sports. I mean, he changed. I mean, all of these things that changed so radically. I don't think he had any idea that what was. Frankly, I said it during the debate and I say it now. He didn't have much of an idea what was going on, Mr. President, he shouldn't be. I mean, essentially whoever used the auto pen was the president. And that is wrong. It's illegal. It's so bad and it's so disrespectful to our country.

[John C. Dvorak]

I smell something coming.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there is something coming. But it's interesting to listen to Trump because what he said there could have been said in 15 seconds. He just is the most long winded guy. I mean, he's gonna wear everybody out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, he gets us to under our 2 minute time limit for a clip, but just barely. But I like the, the two little pinholes. You can tell because of the two little pinholes. That's interesting. I didn't know about that with the auto.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that. Yeah, he does re. Does. That's revealing of reveal material.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He's so he's got the pin. So now we all know what to look. Look for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but if, if those, if those papers that were auto pen signed were not directed by the President, can they be declared null and void? Do over.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they're working on. They're trying to. That's where they're headed. They're trying to do that so they can pull the pardons on some of these people. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And no.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that. No, that's it. That's it. To pull the pardons on those people. I think that's it. That's all that he's going to do. Everything else is complicated because of Congress voted for it, you know, and they sent a bill. That's complicated. But the pardons. Yeah, I can see that's where he's going.

[Adam Curry]

I think he's targeting Adam Schiff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pencil neck. That'll funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Adam Schiff is in deep shit. This guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. California, what do you expect, by the way, on the quads right now, protests erupt. ICE against protests. And literally the ICE guys are just standing there in a line. Nothing's happening. CNN Protests erupt for third day ICE raids National BBC National Guard troops clash. There's no. It's not a single. They're literally standing there. There's not a single clash taking place. Place standoff between National Guard and protesters on third day in la. MSNBC FOX House Subcommittee to hold hearing on Anti Semitic Attacks. Okay, there you go. No wonder people listen to podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

So I have two clips before we go to the break, which I think is overdue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Because these clips, I put one has been in for. For probably a month about. And these are Andrew Tate warning clips. But I want to play these two clips one after the other. And one of them is because it doesn't make sense. There's something going on. This guy is an op of some sort.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never understood. I haven't really paid attention to it.

[Adam Curry]

And you, you have the same sense I do. Something is amiss. But this is Andrew Tate arrest.

[Unknown Speaker]

PBS prosecutors in the UK say that the influencers, Andrew and Tristan Tate, have been charged with with rape, human trafficking and other crimes. Officials say the charges were authorized last year and are only now being confirmed. The Tates were arrested in Romania in 2022 and indicted last year on charges of sexually exploiting women. Andrew Tate was also charged with rape there. British prosecutors say the two will be extradited to the UK once The Romanian case is concluded. The Tates are dual citizens of the US and uk and they deny any wrongdoing.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole Romania thing is odd.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so we have what sounds like you got two horrible people that are under arrest. But then explain this second clip.

[Unknown Speaker]

The online influencer and self declared misogynist Andrew Tate has been fined and suspended from driving after being caught doing nearly four times the speed limit in Romania. Officials say the British American national was driving nearly 200 kilometers an hour in a village. 50 kilometer an hour limit. Mr. Tate and his brother Tristan face charges including rape and human trafficking in Romania, as well as separate allegations in Britain and the United States. They deny all those accusations.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, so, so this was from yesterday, by the way. So these guys, all this bull crap and they, they're just floating around, driving around at high speeds and that were carefree. Does this make any sense at all?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And, and how does Romania fit into it? What are they doing in Romania? Why Romania?

[Adam Curry]

There's something very suspicious about the whole Andrew Tate situation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I, I.

[Adam Curry]

Said like every one of these things, it's like these are coded messages. I don't know who they're coded for or why or how. But then the whole 200 miles in that 200 kilometers an hour, that's pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fast in a village.

[Adam Curry]

That's very fast. That is fast by any standards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the ice federalization. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the morning to you, Ms. Shannon. Ship sea boosting around, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning to the trolls in the troll room. Stop. Hey, I need more bangs. More bangs. It, it, it scatters them. There you go. Yes, There we go. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we're back on par. We're back on par. 2247 at the peak. That makes sense. That's about right for a Sunday, isn't it? 2247.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's down. 24 is what we should have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh. Well, hello, trolls. Good to have you here. We appreciate you all so much. The trolls hanging out in the troll room at Trollroom IO. Hey, I got a lot of feedback on, on, on the new podcast apps. Everyone's like, yeah, man, Apple should be using Pod Ping we talked about on the last show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Pod Ping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Guess who didn't call Apple.

[Adam Curry]

Why would they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Curry]

You said it a couple of shows ago. Not invented here. It's a. It's a mantra of Silicon Valley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcasting wasn't invented there either, yet. They love that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they've. They've assumed, somehow. They've assumed that it was invented there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So everything else is not invented.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet if you go. If you stand outside the. That spaceship and you say, hey, who invented podcasting? They all say, Steve.

[Adam Curry]

Steve Jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Jobs, of course. Yeah, he invented it. Yeah. Probably true.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's what you do. That's how you do it. So if you.

[John C. Dvorak]

If.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Silicon Valley.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if you want to stay in touch with your favorite podcasts, don't be be duped. Don't be duped by the legacy apps. They're no good. Get a modern podcast app. Hundreds of thousands of podcasts are using the technology that updates within 90 seconds of posting, or some would say downloading. And of course, the new hot stuff is the live podcasts. And there are a lot of podcasts, particularly on the no Agenda stream. I think all of them use what we call the lit technology live item tag for live. So your podcast app will notify you when they go live. This is what you want. Many more features as well. Podcast apps dot com. Thank you to our artists. Wow. I guess we were wrong in the value for value model. We have many ways people can contribute and support the show. One of them is. Well, two of them were with time and talent. And we love our artists who are always helping us by giving us artwork to use for the album art. So it's always exciting. And we've been doing it for, Gosh, well over 15 years, I think, maybe longer. We've had no agenda. Art generator.com and we were pretty convinced that digital 212112 man was a. An alias for Darren O' Neill. It turns out that's not true.

[Adam Curry]

It turns out to be a real person, at least unless it's an op that's so elaborate that I don't even think Darren would do it. Yes, but he's obvious. He says himself he's actually an expat. He hates the term, but he is. He lives in Madeira, Portugal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that was interesting.

[Adam Curry]

And he is a former. Not a spook, but former guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forgot what he did. Some kind of. Some kind of thing. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he moved to Portugal for the cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the cheap.

[Adam Curry]

Cost of living. Alcohol. Cost of living. And he was a Madeira. They got good wine there.

[John C. Dvorak]

You a Madeira? Madeira.

[Adam Curry]

So he. It seems as if he's using the same tools and has developed the same prompting techniques as Darren, giving us a. Results that are almost identical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and there it is. There. There is the fallacy of AI. Like, it all starts to look. It all looks like each like. Like the other one. It all sounds like it.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, Darren never chimed in to say anything he wanted to. I'll take credit for being a smarty and giving him more credit than he deserves, which he loves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Darren deserves a lot of credit, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's a very talented person.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is. And he's like 6 foot 9 or something. Did you know? Yeah, he's huge. He's like Lurch gives you a different name.

[Adam Curry]

Darren. I'm Darren.

[John C. Dvorak]

You rang? We want to thank Blue Acorn for his AI prompting skills. I think. I don't know. I'm afraid to say it. I'm sure you don't know. Blue Acorn doesn't always use AI. He's told us that this could be. This could be just Blue Acorn. He brought us the artwork for episode 1770. We titled that one Control grid. I did get some people thanking us for talking about Katherine Austin Fitz. They too, are tired of the adult Whitney Webb that she sometimes turns out to be. And this was the salmon to the face, which. And I think I copied you on the reply. Someone reminded me that this was a Monty Python skit, although not with salmons. I think it was herring.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was herring. Then it was followed by a salmon or some big fish.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Where they were slapping each other in the face with the fish. So. Yes, but if you're from Holland, you understand these. These types of expressions. Getting hit in the face with a wet salmon. And it was a funny piece. I think we. We both. We both went, yeah, let's do that one. Let's do a Blue Acorn.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was hard. There wasn't anything better. You did like the control grid. I didn't like that at all. Let me see what was down further. There wasn't any real key killers.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a lot of Trump Elon.

[Adam Curry]

Stuff, which Trump and Elon we try to not put people in so often.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a lot of socks. A lot of socks. A lot of socks.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of socks.

[John C. Dvorak]

You like.

[Adam Curry]

I can't remember what the sock reference was.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were talking about socks made in America.

[Adam Curry]

Gold toes. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. No, I like the one with Trump and Musk laughing and then the CNN headline in the back, Trump and Musk at war. But, you know, nix that. Probably rightly so. A lot of them boxing. No, we looked at that. Let's see control grid. I don't see the control grid. Oh, look, there's Laren. Darren Laren. There's Darren. Darren posted. Don't fall for the cheap imitations. I am not digital. 211 2, man. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Cheap imitation.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, I'm just looking at tons of AI. It's sick. And it's all AI, it's all starting.

[Adam Curry]

There's a piece or two that's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all starting to look like this. The piece next to it, all of it. It's just.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not saying that so much but. Oh come on, you're a hater.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's boring.

[Adam Curry]

Let's just face it, it's boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd rather have have bad mixes for end of show.

[Adam Curry]

The mixes are. The mix that you've got coming up is the worst mix you probably ever produced.

[John C. Dvorak]

I produce nothing. I just get what people say.

[Adam Curry]

There's probably the worst mix you've ever approved.

[John C. Dvorak]

I approve everything. It's user gen. It's user generated content. That's how it works. You sometimes are great.

[Adam Curry]

People at the end will hear it and they'll, they'll probably never listen to the again. Adam McCurry.com if you like the piece, tell him that John's full of it. And these mixes that we have today, on today's show are fabulous because that's what Adam thinks is going to happen. And I, I disagree. Well, but I could be wrong before we. Maybe these are, they could be terrific.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me just. Hold on, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe I don't like them for some other, some, some psychological reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And I don't like, you know, just people that just clip us saying something and then repeating it over and over and over and over again meaninglessly with no song involved or any, any creativity whatsoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

This says the guy who likes house music.

[Adam Curry]

Who says I like house music.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, you like, you like that techno. You like techno. You're a techno guy. You like, you, come on, you, you like a lot of that techno stuff, rave music. I've heard you. You like it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, but that's what they're making the thing here, here's, here's.

[Adam Curry]

That's an interesting approach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the thing. So people don't know this if you don't listen to the live show, but I'll play the end of show mixes before the show starts. Kind of a little warm up after Darren and we just get going and then, and then typically I open Up John's mic and I say in the morning and then you say in the morning, and then I do the whole fat lady thing. So it's. And it's okay if you don't like the mixes, but when I say in the morning and you say I think. You don't even say in the morning. I think we should get rid of those. We shouldn't play those. Those are no good. I should. We should get rid of the whole segment altogether. Is that not what you said?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I didn't use that intonation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how it sounded in my ears.

[Adam Curry]

Well, everything to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't even say good morning. In the morning. Hello. Hello, partner. Good. I'm glad you showed up again.

[Adam Curry]

First of all. First of all, you were late.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I go, I was not late. I was not late. I turned on the. I was clipping for the show and I was running long and I just hadn't brought up clean feed yet. Text like, where are you? How come it's not.

[Adam Curry]

In the exact. In that exact tone?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. Let me read it to you. Yes, it's exactly that tone. Here it is. Why are you not online? Question mark, question mark, question mark that. Three question marks. How am I supposed to. Is that why you're not online or is that why you're not online? What's wrong?

[Adam Curry]

It was in all caps. The way you're expressing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, funny enough, you didn't even capitalize the first letter of the sentence.

[Adam Curry]

Of course not, because it was low key. I thought. Here's what I thought. I thought you were using the old instance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that wouldn't make any difference. You can come in on the old instance or the new instance.

[Adam Curry]

No, I only have one that I can come in on, which is the new one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the other one will still work. Works.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but I don't have a link to it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

My point is I didn't change you. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. No.

[Adam Curry]

You usually have the whole hour of Darren and I like listening to Darren stuff so I can complain about it. And I have to say, he did have a. I think it was Def Leppard doing a version of Traveling Band.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Do you not know that this is.

[Adam Curry]

That was quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you not know this is on the no agenda so stream and if you can listen to it there live in real time.

[Adam Curry]

I've done that. But every so often when I do that, I leave the stream running and it confuses everything because you get this feedback and it's like, all right, so it doesn't work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much. We're done. Now I just want to make the point that the troll room is now. Mommy and daddy are fighting.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, they're a bunch of weenies. If they think bad, they're weenies. This is the mommy gay. This is what? They have some issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

My point is they didn't feel that way when Trump and Elon were fighting. Point made. Let's thank our producers. We thank everyone who sends us a financial donation. $50 and above. We'll thank you by name. We'll thank you with the amount that you sent us. And of course, we have our executive and associate executive producers, a gambit we made up because we want people to feel good about donating more when they can, when they feel like it, when they've received value that equals the amount they're sending into us. And so with that, we said, you know what? What makes Hollywood different from us? We're a part of the establishment. We can give out executive and associate executive producer credits. And it turns out it's true, because people can use them on IMDb.com it's just the same. Whether you're a producer on the latest Clooney movie or the no Agenda show, you are a producer. Congratulations. So here's how it works with these particular titles. $200 or above, you get an associate executive producer credit. Good for your entire lifetime. Doesn't expire, we'll read your note. $300 or above, you become an executive producer. And we read your note. And again, that doesn't expire. And we kick it off today with the one and only Sir Dirty Jersey Whore. That guy, by the way, is also 6 foot 9 and he's probably 260 pounds. He's huge. And he comes to every single meetup in Texas. He's in Gladewater. He sends us $1033 and he says, I hope this donation of 1033 finds you well. I reckon I'd like to get one of those highly sought after PhDs. The extra $33 hopefully offsets the legacy banking system fees. No jingles, no karma, just John Best. I'm not buying it.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not buying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe this donation brings me to baronet status. I was originally inclined to forego the upgrade because I believe the title to mean small or female. However, after an informative chat with my local AI chatbot, I found that it's not a diminutive term. The et, as opposed to ET with double te ending comes from Old French, but it doesn't imply small or female. A baronet is still addressed as sir and the title passes down to male heirs, unlike a knighthood, which is not hereditary. This is a good point. So when you die, your kid gets it anyways. Please ask everyone to come to my meetup in Longview, Texas at the end of the month. It'll be fun and you'll get to meet the world famous Sir Brian with one eye, Adam and John. Thanks for all you do. It does not go unnoticed. Y' all be good. Says Dirty Dream Jersey. Thank you, djw. We really appreciate that.

[Adam Curry]

Next donation is from Anonymous in New York. I. This donation came in in a very small envelope that was completely taped in every which way. And Jay didn't want to open. She says, there's something in here. It's all taped up. I can't open it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fentanyl. I'm gonna get killed.

[Adam Curry]

So I had to take a knife and ripped through the tape to cut it open. I said, I guarantee there's a big check in here because that's what people. When they. When they put a big check in the mail, they always tape it up. It's like a giveaway. And it was. There was a check for 500 bucks from someone who had. Did the right thing and put. You want to be anonymous? We had a complaint from one of our. Someone who was a spook that sent something in through stripe and bitch status for saying his name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Do you want to send it in cash and in an envelope or.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he did. This guy did a check and he had post it notes all over the check. Anonymous blockages.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anonymous.

[Adam Curry]

So we got the picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it picture? Oh, no, we got the picture. I get it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we got the picture. No, he's anonymous. 500 bucks. We appreciate that. But he gets a double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because he had no note which is always. You've got worth a double up karma. All right. Oh, here we go. To Ross Johnson. Read him earlier. $333.39 knighting donation now. Is he getting knighted? Is he on the knighting list? Let me make sure. I want to make sure we get him knights. Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't donated in years because Adam Elon. Unless he hasn't donated in years, but this is his knighting. He claims donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not on the list. So that has to be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, may clarify.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I haven't donated in years because at. Because of Adam's Elon hatred. Seriously. Obviously short selling for years, which is just funny.

[Adam Curry]

I know that's Yeah, I find that to be hilarious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam flips like a fish out of water because of facts on X. It's not a terrible platform. Right? Dude, if you hate me so much.

[Adam Curry]

If he's gonna hate and and donate 330, 339, that's the best. That's what you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call out douchebag Fritz. Youngest graduating high school douchebag. Okay. There you go. Thank you very much, Ross Johnson. I have never shorted. I never shorted.

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't short.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never shorted.

[Adam Curry]

It's not. It's non trivial that he put a big heart at the end. An emoji.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I guess it's all. Maybe it was just all in jest. It was.

[Adam Curry]

That could be. Maybe he's just chiding you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's possible.

[Adam Curry]

That could be because that's what the heart's for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Regardless, I forgive him of his debts as I forgive my debtors.

[Adam Curry]

Indy no agenda meetup came in from Greenwood, Indiana. They're always doing a meetup all the time. They have big, big meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mark and Maria. Big, big meetups.

[Adam Curry]

So they got three. 33. 33 for us. And this is the Indy no agenda meetup raffle switcheroo donation for Jason Soderland. Soder Lund. So he'll be on the. He'll be credited.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he will.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you, Adam and John for your good humor and perspective. Thanks also to all the producers who silently work in the background to keep the show going. I expectedly expect especially. I especially want to thank Dreb for his tireless effort in putting the chapters together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Dreb, Scott, everybody who is.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's very appreciated and adds a lot to the show. I went to my first meetup in Indy last weekend. Oh, this is Jason writing this. Oh, they gave Jason the ability. He wrote the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Went to my first meetup, had a great time and having won the meetup donation raffle, I decided to add it to my. Add to it. Oh, he added to it to get his producer credit. Executive producer credit. So he needs a deduching you've been de douched and then he has a plug that you'd like. Men of no agenda. If you're looking for to cultivate a bible reading discipline in your skill yourself, go to sonsofsoloman.net Peace in Christ. He writes jingles. Request. What's that in your mouth?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sonsofsoloomon.net what's that in your mouth? It's beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's just a kind of a. Interesting, awesome JCD Hot Pockets. Karma and no karma. Just prayers from and he says, pax vobiscum. Jason Sutherland, Hot Pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that in your mouth? Still gets me, Mike. Thank you, Jason. Mike Rulin in White Salmon, Washington. 333.33. Says he wants a double F cancer.

[Unknown Speaker]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't do that. Oh, we don't do that all the time.

[Unknown Speaker]

But since he asked, you've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Adam Curry]

And you can read the next one. Says it blows out my spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trevor Lohman, Redlands, California. $210 associate executive producer. He says I've been listening since 2013. I was donating steadily, but unfortunately lost my health care job for not accepting the vaccine into my life. Once I could finally get a lawyer to take my case, I learned that the statute of limitations had expired. Oh, that's interesting. Hmm. I wonder what the statute of limitations were on and what they were for.

[Adam Curry]

Seems pretty. Pretty short.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In an ironic has a statue of Lim. I wonder what they. Oh, he's gonna have to explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'd love to know. In an ironic series of events. I'm now a professor of neurology at a big ten medical school. Things have a way of working out. I would be happy to replace your long lost brain, professor, if you're still in the market. Yes, but are you a libtard? Doesn't quite work if you aren't a libtard. This is my first donation in five years and it brings me to knighthood. Please knight me, sir writer of words, and plug my recent book, God's Eye View. The book explores the true experiments in neuroscience and quantum mechanics that support rather than refute the existence of the human soul. Send me a copy. Wow, that's cool. Please also plug the Grimerica show, the Brothers of the Serpent podcast, and my own podcast. Oh, I'll listen to your podcast. My own podcast, Plug. Yes, and my own podcast, God's I View. Oh, I know Trevor. He actually sent me the book he want brother. Yeah, well, he wanted me to write a blurb, but his deadline was too tight and I. And I. I just couldn't get through.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man, I can write a blurb in two seconds. You know, I was told this is years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what he said? It's like when you send someone a book in a. In a word document. I find that very hard to read.

[Adam Curry]

All okay, I understand. Difficult. You were going to say I have a promotion story, so. And I took it to heart and I'm always Irked. I had to. I've done a couple books and I've asked people for blurbs, and so I got to read it first. They go on and on and on. It's like, give me a break. Okay. I don't know if I've got total agreement with you. I can't write a blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually considered just writing his blurb without having read it, but I didn't feel good about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so John, Brad, my agent. New York. That was when I was doing a lot of tech books. Who's well connected. He was friends with Alan Watts, the writer. Buddhist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. This is all the guys that Whitney Webb talks about.

[Adam Curry]

And so he says that Alan Watts told him that. He says he never met a blurb he didn't write. He says if you asked Alan Watts for a blurb, he'd give you a blurb in five minutes. Because the way he saw it, it was all, just write the blurb. People see your name, your name, your name, your name. Alan Watts. It was just. And that's a policy that I adopted. If someone asked me for a blurb for their book, I don't care how crappy the book is. I'll give them a blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it doesn't take long. There's all kinds of ways you can put things with, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if I gave you a book right now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the book was about here. I'm going to give you a title, and then you write the blurb. You ready? Because you're going to. I'm going to ask you first. Will you write a blurb about my book regardless. Of course. Regardless of what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's my book. Jesus was a Badass Outlaw. Give me your blurb. Go.

[Adam Curry]

A fascinating read by Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. That's the blurb.

[Adam Curry]

That would be a blurb. I could write a longer blurb or a shorter blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need. Need more blurb.

[Adam Curry]

I would say I've never. This is a book everyone should pick up and read. It's unbelievable how he's come to these conclusions. This is something I highly recommend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I just got to write the book.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Continuing no Agenda Nation, please search God's Eye View on Amazon and look for the book with the big black hole on the COVID For those who. Who can't afford the book or are too cheap to buy it, please search God's Eye View in a modern podcast app to find my show. Four more years, says sir Writer of Words. Thank you, sir writer of Words. We Appreciate that. And good luck with the book. When it comes out in paperback, I will write a blurb. I know how to do it now.

[Adam Curry]

Leonard Lopatkin, Lakewood, Colorado 200 bucks jobs karma. She's asking for and she says for competitive edge with a resume that gets results. Results go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive and resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a k dot com. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of resume. She's gone back to the classic because.

[John C. Dvorak]

She knows that we know that we know that she knows that we know what we're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[Unknown Speaker]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Awesome. Yes. Eli the coffee guy didn't show up today, so I hope he's okay.

[Adam Curry]

He probably didn't get the mail. A lot of people didn't get the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it happen again?

[Adam Curry]

The newsletter, you know, and I couldn't send out a secondary letter again because every time you do that, you lose like 50 people off the bail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Oh, that sucks.

[Adam Curry]

At least. And so I can't keep error. I can't keep sending out 2 and 2 and 2. So I'm not sure I'm just gonna have to let it settled down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sucks.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that sucks. All right.

[Adam Curry]

That is our last donor for his show, 1771.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, for the executive and associate executive producers, we appreciate you. And of course, we'll be thanking the rest of our our producers who came in $50 and above. And as always, you can go to noagendadonations.com and donate any amount you want. We love the numerology. Thank you, sir. Dirty Jersey Baronet or Dirty Jersey Whore. And that means you can also set up a sustaining donation. It could be just a couple of bucks per show, per week, per day. Whatever you want to do. Go to noagendadonation.com Again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. What's that in your mouth? Shut up. Sleep. Some copyright stuff going on they're making a fuss about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me guess, is that with AI copyright stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good.

[Adam Curry]

So I have two clips that are at least somewhat enlightening. I don't think it gets us anywhere, but at least it shows that somebody's covering it is, I think npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Npr it is. The United States Copyright office is normally kind of quiet, low drama. Authors and artists go there to register their works, and Congress goes there when it needs advice on copyright issues. But lately between the firings and the.

[Adam Curry]

Lawsuits and a highly anticipated report on AI, the office is not so quiet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's npr.

[Adam Curry]

There's Andrew Limbaugh.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let's start the story. On a Thursday, May 8, President Trump abruptly fired Carla Hayden, the Librarian of Congress. The next day, May 9, the US Copyright Office, which resides within the Library of Congress, published a highly anticipated report on whether or not using copyrighted works to train generative AI counted as fair use. Funny thing is, this report was and still is labeled as a pre publication version. That part is extremely weird. In fact, I don't think they've ever.

[Adam Curry]

Done that that before.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's Dave Hansen, the executive director of the Authors alliance, an organization that argues for less strict copyright laws, which is to say they interact regularly with the office. Anyway, that report dropped on a Friday, and then by Saturday, Shira Perlmutter, the head of the US Copyright Office, had a letter telling her that she was dismissed. That letter was sent by Trent Morris, deputy assistant to the president. It seems like there must be some.

[Adam Curry]

Sort of connection between the timing of.

[Unknown Speaker]

The release and all of that other.

[Adam Curry]

Drama, but we just don't really know.

[Unknown Speaker]

Exactly why, and we still don't quite yet. Perlmutter has since filed a lawsuit against President Trump, as well as the two people he appointed currently acting as the new Librarian of Congress and the Register of Copyrights, Todd Blanch and Paul Perkins. The argument being since both the Library of Congress and the U.S. copyright Office are under the legislative branch, the president has no authority to hire or fire people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh.

[Adam Curry]

He's just firing anybody he feels like. Give him something to do this.

[Unknown Speaker]

Part 2 But people broadly in the copyright world have been kind of stunned at how much their quiet neck of the woods has been shaken up. Crestelia Garcia is a professor at Georgetown Law focusing on intellectual property. Obviously, politically, things are all drama, drama, drama all the time now. But to have it come to the Copyright Office was quite a surprise for the copyright community, who are sort of, you know, not used to being thrust into the spotlight, generally speaking, even with the sort of AI stuff. So what about that big bombshell report the Copyright Office published on generative AI, the one the office put out before it was finalized? Well, what it said was in some instances, using copyrighted materials to train generative AI could qualify as fair use use, and in some cases it wouldn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is very even keeled.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's Keith Coopersmith, the CEO of the Copyright Alliance, a group that represents artists and publishers for stronger copyright laws. And he says the report avoids generalizations and takes arguments on a case by case basis, which is reflective of how Perlmutter ran the office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Perlmutter was beloved, no matter whether she agreed with you or not, because she.

[Adam Curry]

Always did the hard work. She always, always was very thoughtful and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Considers all these different viewpoints.

[Unknown Speaker]

There are dozens of lawsuits going on right now over copyright and AI usage. While it remains to be seen if and how the legal teams on either side will use this report, this is just the beginning, says Georgetown Professor Cristelia Garcia. This is just a foreshadowing of the front lines of the generative AI battle.

[Adam Curry]

I think copyright, right, is really taking.

[Unknown Speaker]

The sort of canary in the coal mine here. The warning being if you haven't been paying attention to generative AI, now is.

[John C. Dvorak]

A good time to start your analysis. Dr. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they told us nothing pretty much.

[John C. Dvorak]

In three minutes, two clips, nothing.

[Adam Curry]

And I don't know. I think it's my analysis is like everybody else's is like, I don't know what's going to happen. I think there's fair use issues here, but there's a lot of. You know what I mean? The pub. There's a lot of public domain material that, that the generative AI can suck up. And then, and then once in a while you get. I asked Perplexity the other day, something.

[John C. Dvorak]

About you are talking about it in a. In a manner that sounds like it's a human. You. You are on a bad track.

[Adam Curry]

And it was wrong with this answer because I knew the answer. I was just looking for the details.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, it was wrong. Oh no.

[Adam Curry]

And I find that it's wrong a lot and I'm not sure why it's wrong because if you re. This is a real problem, I think especially people who go to and some people do it on this show and some people do it on the DH Unplug show. I've seen this happen on real time where the person will go to ChatGPT or some AI to get a quick answer to a question. And I find that with the wrongness of a lot of these answers and if you rephrase the question, it gets it right. This is a real problem in my mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's because there's no intelligence involved. They can't understand the context.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know there's no intelligence involved, but the point is it's supposed to be a neural network in front of the corpus that analyzes the whole key to the success is analyzing the question you ask it or analyzing the prompt you give it. And then reacting accordingly to the prompt, using a neural network that's supposed to mimic intelligence. And it doesn't work well.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't work well at all.

[Adam Curry]

Well. No, it works better than you like them to imagine, but it doesn't work as well as I'd like.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't work well. Maxine Waters is now in Los Angeles. There you go. She's at the protests now. They got professional signs, John. Professional signs at the.

[Adam Curry]

Already?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they've been there the whole time. So the quad box, everyone is live, including the BBC. And I think they're just waiting for someone to kick it off. They're just, just waiting. They're just standing two lines and waiting.

[Adam Curry]

For somebody to take a shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

To throw or throw a Molotov cocktail.

[John C. Dvorak]

So all the protesters are walking past the ice agents filming them lives. I'm live, everybody, right now. I'm live. We are brave. We're brave. We're standing up against the terror. The terror.

[Adam Curry]

The man.

[John C. Dvorak]

The man. Screw the man. Like no kings dot org. Make sure you go there on the 14th. We're streaming live. We're doing a live here on the Insta and on the Tiktoks. We're live everywhere, everybody. Yeah, yeah. We're not taking anymore. I'm not taking it from Trump this. They tears will come from this. Someone is going to do something and then they're going to get beaten upside the head. I can tell you right now, everyone's waiting for it. Everyone's clued in. They're just waiting for some. Some douchebag, some instigator to do something and then it's going to. Gonna be messy. Ugh. So, okay, on the AI copyright. This is a story from the UK's which is could be concerning, I guess if you don't read your contracts from 10 years ago, you can do it when you b.

[Unknown Speaker]

And cue it.

[Adam Curry]

Her face may not be recognizable, but Gayan is the voice behind adverts for some. Some of Britain's biggest brands. Now she's the unbeknown AI star announcer on board Scotland's trains.

[Unknown Speaker]

I feel violated. I feel completely violated. My voice is my job and I should be allowed to know who I'm working with and what I'm working on. But more than that, as a human being, I should know who owns my voice data.

[Adam Curry]

So just to be clear, you didn't know that you were going to be.

[Unknown Speaker]

The voice of Scotland's railways? No, I had no idea. I literally didn't know.

[Adam Curry]

This can all be Traced back to a job Gayan carried out during COVID.

[Unknown Speaker]

With the Swedish firm Reed speaker, recording.

[Adam Curry]

Scripts for the visually impaired. It was before artificial intelligence was really a thing.

[Unknown Speaker]

Fast forward a few years.

[Adam Curry]

Her voice has been sold and transformed into a robot.

[Unknown Speaker]

Unions representing the creative industry claim this.

[Adam Curry]

This is exploitation and points to wider AI concerns.

[Unknown Speaker]

I feel burgled. I feel like my data has been burgled. I don't know who holds it. I don't know what they're doing with it. I've no control over it and I don't consent to it. Do you know I'm the voice of Apple for Singapore?

[Adam Curry]

Reid speaker claims there is an agreement in place and all issues have been addressed. ScotRail has no plans to stop using the voice. A story of consent, contracts and concerns in an increasingly AI focused world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's no good. Imagine that. I mean, being a voiceover artist is tough in general now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You don't make a lot of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. So they, they, they bought her voice. It was sampled by.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if she signed it over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

This is like people who sign their rights over when they do writing and they, they sign all their rights over to some publisher and then it turns. They don't keep any.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then it turns into a couple Clooney movie.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You feel really bad about it. Here's something I've been wondering for a long. For many, many years. If you are running for the governor of New York, why do they call it a gubernatorial race? When does the B come into governor?

[Adam Curry]

That's a very good question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does it borderline on a good. Great question.

[Adam Curry]

No, there's no such thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because can't you say a governor's race or governatorial, why is it gubernatorial? Like it always makes, like goober. Like a bunch of goobers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what. There it is. You just answered your question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the governor is a goober. Well, there's a lot of goobers. And this is, you know, so they're debating right now and of course, Cuomo is trying to come back and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but he's coming back as a mayor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it was for the governor.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, this is the Gorman wants to be mayor of New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, my question is still valid.

[Adam Curry]

No, the question about gubernatorial is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, this is about the mayor then. I'm sorry. For some reason I mistook it for the gubernatorial race. So this is. They're doing the debates and Cuomo's in the debate. And this, by the way, goes against everything that I just said. Earlier about people leaving the show because, you know, we pander to the Jews for the Jew money.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Where's our Jew money? We may have gotten some spook money today, but we didn't get any Jew money. That I can tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's no good. Here is an interesting question posed to the candidates for mayor of New York City. The first foreign visit by a mayor.

[Unknown Speaker]

Of New York is always considered significant. Where would you go first?

[Adam Curry]

Right. Ms. Adams?

[Unknown Speaker]

First visit. I would visit the holy land.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Ms. Lander. Mr. Lander. Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Boy, what Trump is doing to Canada, there's a lot of opportunities for us to partner better with them.

[Unknown Speaker]

Ms. Ramos, I'd love to meet Claudia Sheinbaum, but I'd probably head to Colombia, to my parents homeland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. That was a good answer because you throw in a little bit of Jew there with Scheinbo Bone, but you're going to go to Colombia. That was good.

[Unknown Speaker]

Mr. Myron, I am a proud son of two Caribbean immigrants. I represent a robust Caribbean constituency.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd like to go to the Caribbean.

[Unknown Speaker]

As my first visit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're off. You're not going to win, Mr. Cuomo.

[Adam Curry]

Given the hostility and the anti Semitism.

[John C. Dvorak]

That has been shown in New York, I would go to Israel. Very good. Mr. Tilson, where would you go?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, I'd make my fourth trip to Israel, followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine. Two of our.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's doubling down. He's gonna go for his fifth trip and then to Ukraine. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. Tilson, where would you go?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, I'd make my fourth trip to Israel, followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine. Two of our greatest allies fighting on the front lines of the global war on terror. Mr. Mamdani, I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New Yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Unknown Speaker]

Mr. Mamdani, can I just jump in?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I want to jump in.

[Unknown Speaker]

You visit Israel.

[Adam Curry]

No. She said. She said you.

[John C. Dvorak]

She said, would you.

[Adam Curry]

Would you. She said, would you cross the five.

[Unknown Speaker]

Boroughs and focus on that? Mr. Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel? As mayor, I will be doing. As the mayor, I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, and I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform. Because ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns. Yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel. I believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state. As a state with equal rights. He won't say it has a right.

[John C. Dvorak]

To exist as a Jewish state.

[Unknown Speaker]

Be very.

[Adam Curry]

And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel.

[Unknown Speaker]

I said that. That's what he was trying to say. No, no, no. Unlike you, I. Unlike you, I answered question directly. I want to be very clear. I believe every state should be a state of equal.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wouldn't say it. He wouldn't say it. He's no good. Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. What a bunch of rubes. New York is done.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was pretty. I thought that was hilarious. Oh, you just won the Super Bowl. Where are you going? Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Miss America. You just became the new Miss America. Where. Where are you going? Tel Aviv. Oh, it's hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they could have gone to visit a Bulgarian old folks home because all hell's breaking loose there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what's going on?

[Adam Curry]

Listen to this Bulgarian old folks horror.

[Unknown Speaker]

Bulgarian officials say they've rescued 75 residents from two illegal care homes where they were allegedly subjected to brutal mistreatment. They said the victims were beaten, bound and sedated, with doors and windows locked. Justice Minister Gyorgi Georgiev described the facilities in the eastern village of Yagada as houses of horrors. Bulgaria has a shortage of good care homes for older people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my. Do they have pictures and video?

[Adam Curry]

Beaten. They take their old folks and they beat them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Bulgaria. What are you doing? Is there a color revolution going on in Bulgaria? Is there an election action coming up?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, nothing. Turns out that they does what they do to old people in Bulgaria. They beat them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming to California soon, I hear. Yeah, it could be a five minute warning. You get one or two more clips. It's all up to you. Go.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay. I have this. Every once in a while there's one of these stories that comes up and it's always the same kind of a thing going on. It's very suspicious story. And they're gonna. They're gonna. These are all seem like spooky stories because they. It's like you. They got somebody and you got to debrief them or you've got to get them out of the country or you got to. You got to rescue them or something. Some like, it's like a CIA guy and they always goes through and I have no idea why. The detainment centers in Louisiana. Have you noticed as Louisiana thing keeps cropping up?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Play this Russian. This is the Russian frog smuggler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

A judge in Vermont today ordered the release of a Russian born scientist and Harvard researcher saying she was being unlawfully held by immigration authorities. Ksenia Petrova, who recently spoke to NewsHour from detention, still faces a criminal charge of smuggling frog embryos after she failed to declare them at Boston's Logan Airport in February. Petrova says she uses them for research. An immigration officer stripped Petrova of her visa and she was sent to an ICE facility in Louisiana. At a hearing today, Judge Christina Reese said, quote, there does not seem to be either a factual or legal basis for the immigration officer's actions. Petrova is expected to face a bail hearing next week on the smuggling charge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, that, that is interesting. I happen to happen to know a couple of people here in Fredericksburg who moved recently from Louisiana and they grew up there. So they may have some inside information for me.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, there's ICE detention centers all over the place. But these, these super suspicious sounding stories, like this one Russian woman, a professor teaching, brings in some embryos. I don't know how they found those, but they did. Seems like a setup. Then they move her to this facility in Louisiana. It's always Louisiana.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do, they do ask at customs, you know, do you have any plants, animals or fruit? And if you lie, then you get detained.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but who's gonna. How are you gonna. You could. It doesn't make sense. This whole story just makes no sense. I don't see how anybody can't easily take some frog embryos and stuff them in a coke can and take it through customs. I mean, or guys, you can't get through because liquid. But I mean, there's ways. If you're smuggling frog embryos, it seems to me you know what you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey, ho ho. Frog embryos have got to go. Hey, hey, ho ho.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rest assured, I am on the case of the Louisiana Spookiness. I will get answers. Several people I know here have grown up there in the bayou in the swamps. We have swamp people here. They will know what's going on. And we have some just horrible non musical pieces of crap coming up known as the end of show mixes. You don't. I mean, why are you even still listening? You don't want to be exposed to that. It may hurt you. But before that, we have the most wonderful tip of the day by John C. Dvorak. Now this, the tip of the Day is its own entity. You could. This should be a spin off show.

[Adam Curry]

Tip of the day show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tip of the day show. I'm telling you now. The problem is you'd have to do it every day, which you know because it's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Otherwise it wouldn't be a tip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I guarantee you podcast success. I'm thinking a podcast podcast award maybe. Maybe even a Webby.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, which reminds me, I saw, I was watching looking at somebody's wiki page. I can't remember who it was, but they won. It was one of just the rando podcasters and they won a podcasting award from some operation. It was listed on the wiki page for best audio sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I said.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many times do I have to say I'm good to go on the Pod Father Podcast Awards and you just dropped the ball on me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm gonna have to pick it up. I'll pick up the ball. Dame Rita, meanwhile, picked up the ball. She's moved way up to the top of the list here. She's in Sparks, Nevada and she came in with 135 bucks. And she says thanks for the tremendous value and spin down. I like that. We're spin downers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spin down.

[Adam Curry]

Paul Rudy.

[John C. Dvorak]

That could be perceived as negative. Spin downers. Downers. I think that might hurt the show. That might hurt the show. We can't use that.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's going to hurt the show is those mixes. Paul Rouge. R U U G E. I think that's how it's pronounced. He's in Fort Thomas, Kentucky. Came in with 100 bucks. Kellen Prince. That's a nice name. In Hollywood, Florida, $100. Baroness Knight. She's in Edmonds, Washington. She's upped anti. She's always a 50 donor and she's up there to 100. So that's nice. Kevin McLaughlin shows up at 8. He's the Archdu lover of America, lover of boobs. And he says he's got a PSA here. Says summertime's the perfect time to show off your melons. Ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

No disagreement here. No. The no Agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

I will say that our I I track this stuff. Our. The number of people, our female listeners is down. Has been. It's down.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's down.

[Adam Curry]

I think we're turning to a couple of sexist jerk offs as far as a lot of the ladies are concerned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean that or they we know Tina's listening because the minute talking about right away you're wrong, you're wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Man talking about Jan Brugink. Brungink In Schmilde, Netherlands. He came with 8008.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very famous, very famous place. That's where the Moluccers hijacked a train in the 70s and killed.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Moluccers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the Molucckers.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, you want some jobs? Karma for his son Yurian. Is that right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yurian? Urian.

[Adam Curry]

Urian. And that would be at the end. At the end if you can remember. Why am I Christian? Oh, another Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty good. Christian.

[Adam Curry]

Christian. And it's leiden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good.

[Adam Curry]

8008. And he has a little note there he's just got. It's in green. He came in through stripe stripe.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says, thanks for sending some rain over to Leiden.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he says I send boobs in return.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good combination if you ask me.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says, adam, next time, you know, next time it starts hailing golf balls. Put a drum kit outside. Let me tell you, if you look at Tina's insta, I think she's Tina Curry, 33, you can hear what it sounds like. And so we actually. Turns out we have a lot of damage we didn't know about. The garage doors filled with pits, little pit dents. Dents.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, dense little dents.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have our screen.

[Adam Curry]

We have a. I like the idea of putting a drum kit outside.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a. Oh, it would go right through the skins. We have a screened in porch. We don't go out there much when it's 95 degrees completely. All the screens pelted with holes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got damaged.

[Adam Curry]

Stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got damaged.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you got insurance.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are not going to claim this for insurance. You know what will happen? We'll get kicked out of our insurance.

[Adam Curry]

Stephen Hatto in St. Petersburg, Florida. Great little place. 70 bucks. Zachary Metzinger in South Lake, Texas. 66 73. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. 6640. And he says yeah, go Blue acorn, huh? Stephen Schumach in Xenia, Ohio. A6580. David Cox in Austin, right down the street from you. 63, 25. Or where you used to live. Grayson Insurance. Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado. 6006. Eric Hulse in Katy, Texas. Or Katie, Texas. 5798.

[John C. Dvorak]

Katie. It's Katy, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

I'm loving Cati. Manuel medeiros in Tracy, California. 57 90. Quit your belly aching donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it worked.

[Adam Curry]

So 5798 is a belly aching donation?

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess so, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Hilton and Sultan. He's in Sultan, Georgia. He wants 5510. And he wants some karma jingle. I don't know what that means, but you will put some karma karma at the end. Anonymous. 56 or 55. Nancy Murphy in San Bruno, California. 55. And there she is again with another 55. And she says, here's another donation. The new sad puppy made me do it. I got two complaints about this new sad puppy, Troy Funderberg. The complaints were the sad. Somebody sent me this picture to use. It's a sad puppy. Sad looking in a dream dryer, which you'd have to assume is pre suicidal or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. This goes to my theory that people don't care what you do to other people. But, man, you do something to a dog, you're. It's the end of you.

[Adam Curry]

So the dog's in the dryer and somebody said, one of the producers says that's in poor taste. Scolding me for it. Nancy Murphy came in twice. Okay, well, she's actually 110. Trey Funderberg in Missoula, Montana. 55.

[John C. Dvorak]

Troy. Troy Funderberg.

[Adam Curry]

Troy. I always do that. Okay, here's another Dutchman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Roline van der Har. It's probably a Dutch girl in Holland. Holland.

[Adam Curry]

In Holland. Chevelt 5272.

[John C. Dvorak]

52.

[Adam Curry]

7. Brittany Miller, also 52.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got women. They're women right here. Look at these women.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Those are the two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nancy, Rowlene, Brittany. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Christian Hartsock, Burbank, California, is one of our regulars. 5,194. I helped. He'd substituted on Oan for Chanel over the weekend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's apparently a writer for Oann.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, oh, One America News.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, cool.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Roger and I did a hit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you did a hit on Oan?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how come you didn't tell me?

[Adam Curry]

I just did. Yeah, but I mean, did it so in advance. Now you do do. It's because you do so many podcasts and you never mention anything to me. And then all of a sudden, it shows up in a donation note and I go, what is this? So I'm doing the same. I'm on the move.

[John C. Dvorak]

John's doing pr, Everybody.

[Adam Curry]

He did a hit on Roger palace in Norcross, Georgia. Georgia. 5510. He needs a d. Douching. You've been de douched. Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa. 51. And now we got the 50 donor's name and location, starting with Not a lot today. Jacob Rot. Oh, brother. Rotrommel in Decatur, Illinois. Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington. Ray Howard in Green Kremmeling, Colorado. Edward Mazurek in Memphis. Christopher Scott in Fort Washington, Pennsylvania. Renee Bernhard Gurter. She's in Sweet in Switzerland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bernhardt's Guter.

[Adam Curry]

Bernhard's Guter Grutter. She's in Saint Gallen.

[John C. Dvorak]

She greets Saint Bernards.

[Adam Curry]

And she's. Well, it was Saint Bertrand, Switzerland. Yes, that's nice to have a Swiss donor that came in striped. International producers stripe is the way to go for international donations. Cal Ray Jackson in Watertown, Tennessee. And last on our list is the Good old Jason D' Aluzio in Miami Beach, Florida. I want to thank all these people for show 1771.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, indeed. Thank you all very much. And again, thank you to those donors who came in and supporters and producers came in under $50. We never mentioned them for reasons of anonymity. And of course you can set up a sustaining donation at any time. Any kind of donation, any amount. It's value for value. Whatever you get out of the show, send it back to us in value, and that's just fine. For some people, $5 is a lot. For some people, 500 is a lot. Or not, it doesn't matter. Just as long as you support us at some point, somehow to give back to the show, that's best value for value. Again, thanks to our executive and associate executive producers for episode. Wow, what is it? Episode 1771 A palindrome. And strangely enough, for the first time in as long as I can remember, we did not have a single birthday to celebrate. When has that happened? Has that ever happened?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it has a couple times, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't recall. Well, so no birthdays, so no happy birthdays to you. However, we do have a couple of title changes. We've got Sarah Dirty Jersey Whore, as you heard earlier, our top executive producer today who becomes a baronet, Dame Nancy of the Confused, also changing her title today, becoming a baroness. Oh, yes, Very, very beautiful. And Sir Dirty Jersey Whore also gets his PhD. We have that special promotion which has come back for a limited time, limited time only. Go to noagenderrings.com dirty jersey whore. Let us know where to send your PhD. And if you really want sir dirty jersey whore on it, or maybe your, your actual name so you can use it to impress your friends and the neighbors. And we have one night. So I'll grab my blade here if you can.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the same old one night blade I've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's nice. It's sharp. As long as it's sharp, it's Fine. Trevor Lohman, it's taking you a bit, but we're happy to see you here at the podium for the dames and knights of the no Agenda roundtable because you have supported the best podcast in the university in amount of $1,000 or more. That means I get to pronounce the Kate, you sir, as sir writer of words. And for you we've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay. We've got some diet soda and video games, Fish pie and fellatio, Harlitz and Hal doll. We got redheads and ryes, beers and blunts, Ruben etce rumen and rose geishas and sake, vodka, Manila bongheads and bourbon. Sparkling sidear nest scorch, ginger ale and gerbils, a favorite in Hollywood. Breast milk and pablum and as always, the mutton and the mead here at the round table for you. And you also can go to noagendarings.com anybody can go there and take a look at them and you. And it's a cumulative so you can, you can donate $5 a month if you want. People become knights and dames. It's really cool. And this ring is a signet ring. It's a looks very, very cool at the no agenda meetups. And so for that reason we give you a couple of sticks of wax you can melt down and stick your signet ring right on there and let everybody knows that this is a very important correspondence. And as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity signed by yours truly, Adam. And yeah, everybody, the no agenda meetups. Another great way to send value back to the show and to Gitmo Nation in general by organizing a no agenda meetup. You can go to noagendameetups.com another fantastic website we never built. Done in the value for value model. Thank you Sir Daniel for that. We got a report from Brussels, the big Brussels meetup. It seems like sarcastic the Nomad was there by himself. He did get one RSVP from Alex who lives in Brussels. Unfortunately, his two girls friends from Colombia arrived early in Brussels and he decided to stay home with them. And he sent me a picture and I think he made the right choice. A picture of Alex with his two Colombian girlfriends.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't sound suspicious to the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so too, but he didn't. Big Tom's bar was a great venue. Unbeknownst to me it is a NATO hangout bar. Lots of spooky people drinking beautiful Belgian beer. I'm always amazed what a drunk soldier will Tell you do tell. Sarcastic the Nomad. We'd love to hear more. And sir, Dirty Jersey Whore. As you recall, on the last show. Excuse me. For his meetup promo. The Texas. The East Texas no Agenda Meetup. We. We excoriated him for sending in a two minute meet meetup promo. You remember this?

[Adam Curry]

You excoriated him?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. You did too. You said it should be 30 seconds tops.

[Adam Curry]

I did say that. He sent us, but not in the form of an excoriation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he sent us a new one. It is 33 seconds exactly. Which I think is valid.

[Adam Curry]

That's okay. And he put up with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And listen to this.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey there freedom lovers and media deconstructors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you tired of screaming at the screen alone? Wish you had someone to compare your shrunken amygdala with? Well, do we have a meetup for you. It's all going down Sunday, June 29th at 3:33pm in Longview, Texas. Go over to no AgendaMeetup.com and let us know you are coming. Or just show up again that June 29, 3:33pm Longview, Texas.

[Unknown Speaker]

Be there or be labeled a conspiracy denier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Common side effects may include mild dizziness, nausea, spontaneous lactation, sudden urges to gamble or engage in risky sexual behavior, sleep driving, sleep eating, sleep shopping, uncontrollable laughter, explosive diarrhea, anal leakage, blue gray skin discoloration, hallucinations, black hairy tongue, unexpected hair growth in unusual places, purple urine or sweat, permanent loss of taste or smell, false positive drug test, penile enlargement, and in rare cases, existential dread. Ask your conspiracy therapist if this meetup is right for you. Brought to you by Dana Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

That sounds like a Fremont Drag Strip commercial from back in the 60s and 70s.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was outstanding.

[Adam Curry]

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday is all that was missing.

[John C. Dvorak]

33 Nitro burning funny cars. That's right. Well, on Sunday. This Sunday, the fourth annual Louisiana Crawfish Boil kicks off at 2:00 at Shaw Acres. That's Prairieville, Louisiana. Hey, Merry Moon Organizing. Let us know what you know about the ICE detention centers. It's a little spooky down there. By the way, an RSVP invited. Think it's at her home. So you've got a check in to be checked out.

[Adam Curry]

And then by the way, to interrupt you in the middle of this, I had to say the Jersey Dirty Whore quickie was well done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well done, well done indeed. The Northern Wake Freedom Southern Slam O wham o six o' clock on Thursday at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. Make sure you check that out. Coming up the next week, the 13th, Copenhagen, Denmark. We have Lazarus Vard in Kulemborg. I'm just doing the international ones. Comox, British Columbia. That's Scandinavia. Seventeenth Cannes in France. We've never had good luck in Cannes. No one ever shows up to those meetups. So please, please give it a shot. And on the 19th of September, we're way ahead now. Tilburg, North Nederland, North Brabant in the Netherlands. So go to noagendameetups.com there's always a great, cool meetup taking place. It's all around the world, as you can tell. And when you do a meetup report, make it fun, make it interesting, try and make it short, and always include your server and Tip them well. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find where near, you start one yourself. It's always a party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with.

[Adam Curry]

All the nights and days.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wanna.

[Adam Curry]

Be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party. All right, now, to make up for the end of show mixes, we'll have a very snappy ISO for you at the end, which will just. Because that truly is the last thing that people hear. So this kind of discredits your theory. It makes people happy. They're like, oh, this was great. I really loved hearing that end of show ISO. I feel good, good about the show.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't the end of show ISO come before the mix?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it comes at the very, very end of the show. Have you ever listened to the podcast?

[Adam Curry]

No, I never listened.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have to. Ooh, nice balls. Okay. Probably don't like that one, but I kind of thought this one was okay.

[Unknown Speaker]

This doesn't make any sense. I'm freaking out inside.

[John C. Dvorak]

You laugh through it.

[Unknown Speaker]

This doesn't make any sense. I'm freaking out inside.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm freaking out inside.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God. I like that. If you took that part off, it would be good.

[Unknown Speaker]

This doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think that's. That. That beats mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's listen to yours. Thanks for spending your weekend with us. Wow, that's AI if I ever heard one.

[Adam Curry]

Nope, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for spending your weekend with us.

[Adam Curry]

It's that black chick, whatever her name is, that does the weekend shows with Scott and the other people. No, that's a real person.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you like mine better.

[Unknown Speaker]

This doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Curry]

Like, yeah, I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we'll keep that one. And we will get the weekend kicking. Now with John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti. All right, this is the time of the year to plant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it now? Not in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually, this would be fine in Texas too. This is a site, it's called the Chili Pepper Institute, and it is run out of New Mexico State University. And they have, they sell over a hundred varieties of hot chilies. The seeds, they're a little. I think they're pricey. The seeds are pricer than I like, but. But there's five bucks a pack. But there's some of the. More. There are lots of scorpion peppers, all kinds of screwball peppers you've never had. You don't see, they're not commercial and they're, they're there and they claim that the seeds are all very viable. So the. You plant, these seeds are going to grow. And I would recommend planting some chilies. And they have all. They have all of them. But what. They don't. I'm sorry, they don't have all of them because there's three thousands. But they have over a hundred varieties, including a bunch of scorpion peppers. They don't have the Carolina Reaper, for example, I don't think, because that must.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually be the Carolina Reaper.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a tough one. But the web, I finally found a website that you can, that you can write down CPI for chilipepepperinstitute.nmsu New Mexico State University Ed. And just click on the store, online store, and knock yourself out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the appropriate or best way to plant your chilies?

[Adam Curry]

They have all kinds of information on the site. They grow like a tomato. It's a tomato. If you can know how to grow a tomato planting push, you get those little, those little seedling pots and you know, and put them in the window and get the thing started. Once it gets started, you got it made because once it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You grow it indoors, not out outdoors.

[Adam Curry]

You could. No, I would start it indoors and I would take it outdoors. Or you could just plant it outdoors if you can keep it so it germinates. You got to make sure it germinates.

[John C. Dvorak]

Make sure you germinate your peppers, everybody. There it is. Once again, a fantastic John C. Devorax tip of the day.

[D]

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with jcd.

[Adam Curry]

And if, if anybody grows anything weird, because there's lots of weird peppers in here, send me a couple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send John a couple of weird peppers. Once you pick a peck of pickled peppers, send them to Dvorak. And that concludes our broadcast day. Everybody. Remember, just plug your eardrums because, man, we got sir Ducifer and sir Scoeve with end of show mixes. Oh, no. Uh oh. John Cdvorak says does better, do better. Does better. Just do better. I like him, but I like all kinds of crap. Coming up next on your no agenda stream, we have the mere mortals book reviews. Oh, he's. This is Adapt or die, the youth spy who sparked a passion for discipline. Stormbreaker book review. It's Kyron from down under doing that. We look forward to that and we will gladly be back with you on Thursday and we'll bring you more. Multiple hours of media deconstruction. Still waiting for it to kick off in Los Angeles or to pop off. And I'm here in the heart of the Texas hill country in the morning, everybody, Madame Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, valley where the national guard is not here, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember us atnoensafe donations.com until Thursday. Adios. Mo fos are hooey. Hooey and such. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff? Boom.

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff? Boom.

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff? Hydrazine. Not hydra. Hydrazine. Hydrazine and hydrazine. Hydrazine and hydrazine. Hydrazine and hydrazine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff? Boom.

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff? Hydrazine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not hydrazine.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrazine. Not hydrazine. Hydrazine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not hydrazine.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrazine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not hydrazine. It's all bullcrap. All of it.

[Adam Curry]

There's always a big butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

All of it is always a big butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all bull crap. All of it is always a big butt. The hydro booster, Hydro booster. Zero point energy. The hydro booster, hydro booster, zero point energy.

[Adam Curry]

There's always a big butt. There's always a big butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's always a big, big boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff? Hydrogen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hydrogen.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrogen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hydrogen.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrogen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hydrogen.

[Adam Curry]

Hydrogen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hydrogen. Exactly. There's always a big boom. What does that say? Stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff? Boom.

[Adam Curry]

What is that stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What is that stuff?

[Adam Curry]

Boom. What is that stuff? There's always a big butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aluminium.

[Unknown Speaker]

Aluminium.

[John C. Dvorak]

And can we get an opinion on the pronunciation of aluminum on steel and aluminium. Aluminium? Is it aluminium? Aluminium. All this talk and you will see tariff is reality 25% will age glow.

[Adam Curry]

In mind they rage.

[John C. Dvorak]

85% GC of steel and aluminium. And can we get an opinion on the pronunciation of aluminum? Is it aluminium? No force to keep it in terrace. Dammit, just win this is right in say it's wrong just to save us, keep us strong. Aluminum. Or is it aluminum?

[Adam Curry]

British love calling it alumini Mini mini the best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mofo dvorak.org/na.

[Unknown Speaker]

This doesn't make any sense.