1772 - "Op Day"

Summary

No Agenda Show - Episode 1772: "Op Day" Summary

Release Date: June 12, 2025

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Introduction

[00:00]
Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak kick off Episode 1772 of the "No Agenda Show" from Fredericksburg, Texas, emphasizing their ongoing mission to deconstruct media narratives.

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ACLU of Texas and "No Kings Day" Event

[01:02]
Adam Curry brings attention to the ACLU of Texas contributing approximately $3 million toward the "No Kings Day" event, questioning the organization's use of funds traditionally allocated for civil liberties.

John C. Dvorak discusses past interactions with the ACLU, expressing disappointment in their shift towards organizing protests rather than defending civil liberties, labeling protesters as "Marxists and socialists."

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SEIU Union Involvement

[03:00]
The conversation shifts to the role of the SEIU (Service Employees International Union) in orchestrating protests. Both hosts critique the union's motives, suggesting an agenda beyond mere labor rights, intertwining issues like illegal immigration and labor control.

Adam Curry shares his personal experience with SEIU, highlighting shortcomings within the union despite initial support.

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Analysis of "No Kings Day" Protests

[05:10]
John C. Dvorak presents clips from "No Kings Day" protests, emphasizing the perceived overreach and elitist nature of the movement. He critiques the genuine intentions behind the protests, suggesting they may be orchestrated or influenced by specific agendas.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [06:32]: "Who’s gonna build our homes back? No one will want to be in construction."

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Media and Perception of Protests

[08:00]
Discussion centers around media portrayal of protests, particularly the narrative pushed by prominent figures like Whoopi Goldberg. The hosts argue that media coverage often misconstrues the true motives behind demonstrations, painting them in a negative light.

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Plane Crash Analysis

[10:31]
A brief segment analyzes a recent Boeing 787 crash in Gatwick, speculating on potential causes such as software failures or pilot error. Both hosts express skepticism towards official reports, hinting at deeper issues within aviation technology and regulations.

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AI and Media Manipulation

[113:00]
The hosts delve into the complexities of AI in media, specifically addressing copyright issues and the potential misuse of AI-generated content. They highlight ongoing legal battles between major studios and AI companies like Midjourney, questioning the ethical implications of AI in creative industries.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [117:03]: "If you say to any large language model AI thing, I want a minion for my blog, and you put a minion up there, yeah, you're violating copyright."

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International Relations and NATO

[121:00]
Analysis of recent NATO discussions, focusing on increased funding targets pushed by former President Trump. The hosts critique the effectiveness of these measures, expressing doubts about the ability of member states to meet financial commitments and the overall strategic impact on defense capabilities.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [123:29]: "With three and a half percent, you're not going to be able to defend against Russia."

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Vaccination Advisory Committee Controversy

[62:07]
The podcast addresses the controversial decision by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to disband the CDC's vaccine advisory committee. The hosts question the validity of claims surrounding conflicts of interest and the potential impact on public trust in vaccine recommendations.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [74:12]: "It's just a date they did wrong. That's all that it is."

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Breastfeeding vs. Infant Formula Debate

[85:30]
A comprehensive discussion on the historical and current perspectives of breastfeeding versus infant formula. The hosts critique the marketing tactics of formula companies and advocate for the health benefits of breastfeeding, emphasizing societal pressures that discourage natural feeding methods.

Notable Quote:
Adam Curry [84:00]: "Breastfeeding is hard work. It is not... it's almost impossible."

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Acknowledgments and Donations

[141:20]
The episode transitions to acknowledgments of donations and supporter contributions. Hosts express gratitude towards their audience, highlighting the importance of listener support in maintaining independent broadcasting.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [177:43]: "Thank you for supporting the best podcast in the universe."

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Closing Thoughts

[198:58]
In the final segments, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak reflect on the show's discussions, reiterating their skepticism towards mainstream narratives and emphasizing the need for independent thought and media deconstruction.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak [202:07]: "Jesus Was a Badass Outlaw."

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Conclusion

Episode 1772 of the "No Agenda Show" offers a deep dive into current socio-political issues, media manipulation, and the evolving role of AI in creative industries. Through incisive analysis and candid discussions, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak challenge listeners to question prevailing narratives and seek truth beyond mainstream media portrayals.

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This summary aims to provide an accurate and comprehensive overview of the podcast episode, capturing key discussions, insights, and notable quotes with proper attribution and timestamps.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll do it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, June 12, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1772.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Watching democracy die and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're all awaiting all Kings day on Saturday, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crack bot buzz kill in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. No, it's not. It's completely believable and just fantastic to watch the M5M everybody trying to get everyone all psyched up and ready for no Kings Day. And you know, just, it's like wag the dog in real time. It's amazing what is taking place right before our very eyes.

[Adam Curry]

Do you know the ACLU of Texas contributed like $3 million toward this event?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

What is the end does some other ACLU's. What? Why? I thought the ACLU took that money that people gave them so they could defend people for civil liberties. Not to do protests, not to print signs on the 250th anniversary of the army. Which is really what they're trying to downplay here. They're trying to make our army look like a bunch of schmucks, remember? By doing this thing on the exact same day.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's too long. But you remember in 2017, I have the clip, but it's too long. I called the ACLU when they were.

[Adam Curry]

You actually made a fuss about this on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, when, when they were organizing the, the protest because Trump had done Muslim travel ban, which it was not a Muslim travel ban. And I called him up and said so because I always supported the aclu. And they're like, no, no, no, we're organizing these protests. But is that in your charter? Is that what you're supposed to do? Well, yeah. Oh, okay. Well, no, I'm not supporting you anymore. Now this is what's interesting is that even the people who somehow have been psyoped into this whole idea of, you know, Trump is throwing out legal people, just separating families, ripping four year old girls from behind their school desks. They are now recognized. Well, you know, the people who are protesting, they're just, you know, they're just problem people. You know, they're, by the way, they're like Marxists and socialists. Yeah, that's exactly who the problem is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And It's. And it's the unions. It's the Socialist Workers Party. They're the ones who are sending people.

[Adam Curry]

Not the unions, as much as it is one specific union.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which specific union?

[Adam Curry]

Seiu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seiu? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which is the Service Employers International Union.

[John C. Dvorak]

And do they have illegals in their union?

[Adam Curry]

They must. So the SEIU is a fallback. When I helped organize the Bay Area Air Pollution Control District Union, I was a Democrat back in the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We had gone through. We had enough. Knew we could get enough votes to unionize, and we ended up with SEIU as our base union because the other guys bailed out Cal. There was CalPERS or some Cal. One very big union that was powerful in California. They told us, nah, get lost. And some other union told us to get lost. And SEIU jumped in. Yeah, we'll do it. And I got to take some of their training. Some years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you took some of the. Oh, you took some of the training, all right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The union itself, it's pretty bad. So my memoir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ladies and gentlemen, John Sid of Warwick has been dead for 20 years, but he promises his memoir is coming along with the vinegar book. It's coming. Don't worry. It's happening.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they truly commies? I mean, is the SEIU a bunch of communists, or. I mean, why are they doing it?

[Adam Curry]

I wouldn't say they're Marxists necessarily, but they're pretty close.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely. Workers control the means of production. The main emphasis in some of the training is, hey, if you're not specifically supposed to pick up that screw that that guy dropped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You don't pick it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Yeah, but, I mean, they are sending people out to protest. Illegal immigrants. Just illegals.

[Adam Curry]

Aliens in favor of illegal immigrants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Make sure you get this structure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Thank you. But it just doesn't make sense. However, what is.

[Adam Curry]

It makes sense to me. I was watching somebody, so I didn't get it on today's show, but somebody's. There's a lot of clips about. I guess it's Christie. Is her name Christy Walton?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Who's in the. You know, it's like she's just another rich chick who's, you know, inherited a bunch of money and she's got a guilty conscience. And then I'm guy points on his video. This is so Walton can keep their cheap employees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not just. I mean, if you look at no Kings Day, it's not just about ICE and immigration. So the way I look at it from the Walton family perspective is tariffs in China. They have huge factories. Half of Wuhan is Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think they're just mad at Trump and this is what they do. Now I have some. This is a very short boots on the ground. There's so much material. But when I heard this, I'm like, yeah, I think a lot of these middle class Karen, which doesn't have to be white, just middle class Karens in Los Angeles. So here's just three quick little snippets. Man on the street. But the last one really, really says it all about why they're really protesting, what they're really mad about.

[Unknown]

I'm not okay with this. I'm not okay with people getting taken from their jobs and being taken from when they're going into the federal building for their appointments. To do this the right way, we don't feel safe.

[Adam Curry]

We're standing up for the children that.

[Unknown]

Can'T stand up for themselves or their parents. We need immigrant workers in this city really badly. We've just gone through devastating fires. We've lost 14,000 structures. And if you look at who builds this city, it's immigrants.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Who's gonna build our homes back? No one will want to be in construction. And this is exactly what an actual Karen isn't. Whoopi's real name. Karen Whoopi Goldberg.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it is, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's a real Karen. So listen to what she says at the end of this clip after they do some pontificating. This. I'm sorry, it's from the View, The.

[Unknown]

ICE agents, those are nonpartisan actors.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the conservative girl, for the.

[Unknown]

Most part, who signed up for jobs, have served under multiple administrations. They did not necessarily sign up to be doing this. And they're following an order of the commander in chief. And we could say they could all. I get to resign in Mass tomorrow. What is the bait to start demonizing those individuals.

[Adam Curry]

No, nobody demonizing. What's saying.

[Unknown]

This is a result of threats, but I think it's very important. Remember, it's a commander in chief that's made these decisions. They're following orders. Yeah, it is.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, think back, y' all.

[Unknown]

Where have you heard that before? 1930.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hitler.

[Adam Curry]

By my commander in chief.

[Unknown]

But again, can I just say I want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, because I.

[Adam Curry]

Because.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. Because Whoopi's got something important to say here. Pay attention. Karen's coming.

[Adam Curry]

This is my point.

[Unknown]

We don't want to be what they were.

[Adam Curry]

A person in service in the armed.

[Unknown]

Services always follows their commander in chief.

[Adam Curry]

That's the way it's supposed to be.

[Unknown]

But what is happening here is out.

[Adam Curry]

Of sync because the Commander in Chief is not following the directions of the Constitution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the Constitution. Well, we'll get to that in a minute.

[Unknown]

So we have a bit of an issue.

[Adam Curry]

And also, just as we're going. No, no, no, no, no. Just as we're going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to say, you know, construction places, you're going to have a harder time finding people who are going.

[Unknown]

To be able to come and do your house.

[Adam Curry]

Who are they going to get to.

[Unknown]

Pick all the fruit and the vegetables?

[Adam Curry]

Because Americans don't want to do it.

[Unknown]

We know that the farmers are saying the Americans don't want to do this, and the tariffs on top of that is going to make everything so sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

That, too.

[Unknown]

But food is going to be sitting.

[Adam Curry]

And rotting because there's no one to grab it is my plan.

[Unknown]

We'll be right back.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the most elitist takeover on this ever. No one's going to build my house. No one's going to pick my fruit. Who's going to clean my linens? Oh, let me clutch my pearls. Have you ever heard of economics, Karen? If the fruit is rotting, they will offer more money for people to come and pick it up. It's not just going to go away. This is the. The basic system that we have in place. It's how capitalism works. Of course. But, oh, no. And it's so elitist.

[Adam Curry]

Who's gonna. It's unbelievably arrogant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, elitist and arrogant. It's like. And Americans won't do this. What? American. I have a guy. I've got Paul, who's literally shoveling shit out of my septic tank today. Americans do this stuff. And you know what? Charges me a good penny for it, too, because that's how it goes. I don't want to do it myself. I don't know how to do it. So this is just bull crap. And. And all the. All the women on the. Oh, yeah, it's all Whoopi. You tell him, Whoopi. No one can clean my house. No one can build my house. Oh, my fruit is rotting. Oh, my avocados, please. The worst, though. The worst. And I had to pull two clips, is the liberal intellectual elites of Pivot. I had stayed away from getting Kara and Scott clips, but I had to pull two clips because the professor.

[Adam Curry]

You need an intervention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where were you when I needed that intervention? It's been a while since I've pulled clips from Pivot. It's still my hate. Listen, I get through it and like, okay, I got it. But they are influential in elitist Democrat circles. Not as influential as they thought they were because if you recall, their contract was up for renegotiation. And Professor Scott was like, well, we're gonna go make hundreds of millions of doll Joe Rogan because we're that good. And they renegotiate and they have all kinds of caveats and other, you know, they can do special things. They got a, they got a crappy deal because they're not worth. The podcasts just aren't worth that much. So they overthought their influence, but without a doubt, they make more money than we do. So here is the professor's take on what is happening. It's a doozy.

[Unknown]

I've called this a complete overreach by a desperate despot. Your thoughts?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I can do alliteration. A complete overreach by desperate despot. Your thoughts? Well, I've been called hysterical for, you know, a while now comparing or drawing similarities between America right now and 30s Germany. And you don't have to be Hitler to borrow methods and worst practices from his playbook. I would love to hear Scott, Professor Scott, do a podcast with, with Brett's wife, what's his name? Heather. Well, what do you think, Heather? Well, Scott, let me tell you. Okay, Heather. And that is when tanks roll through cities, it doesn't feel like strength. It feels like a funeral for civil society. Germany in the 30s didn't collapse overnight. It slid into tyranny by normalizing soldiers where citizens used to stand. You know, early Nazi propaganda decided, and we're doing the same thing. We have real problems overseas. You know, there are still Russian, you know, Russia is still invading Europe. Oh, Russia's invading Europe. John, be careful. There's real significant issues around China, Pakistan and India could eventually digress to a nuclear conflict. Iran is. In case you didn't get the memo, President Trump stopped that war. He said so himself, trying to spin up reactors. But if you look at. And again, I think I just. This has so many echoes at 30s Germany. Early Nazi propaganda emphasized it now, early 30s Germany. John, was it like this?

[Adam Curry]

I wasn't there to know. But, but I will say this. I'm liking this for a reason. That's not. Wouldn't on the surface wouldn't seem. Well, why would you like this? I honestly believe these two, and Scott in particular, are believing their own bullcrap and they're actually having. They're going to have nervous breakdowns or Something. This is not healthy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's. It's. He's. And he barely opens. Because I saw the YouTube video version of this, because, of course, we've got to do video versions, Scott. And he barely opens his mouth when he talks. He talks like this. And he also has no lips. Well, I believe this is really like early 30s. This is.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a snake.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. Scott talks through a slit, like a snake. Germany's problems were due to internal saboteurs. Communists, Jews, immigrants, and that Today, if you look at this rhetoric, they're blaming immigrants, academics, protesters, journalists. It mirrors kind of the same playbook here. When you have a government who turns its military force inward against journalists, migrants, or citizens who believe and exercising the right to protest in a civil, peaceful manner and justice, you're not defending democracy. You're rehearsing for something much darker. So it's not the protests themselves. It's not what's going. This is another step towards normalizing, an attempt to rebrand militarization as patriotism. So I just love that. You're right. They are sniffing their farts and, like, smells great. And this clip, second clip is much shorter, but, man, they bring up a doozy here.

[Unknown]

He can try. He can try. That's what he's doing. He's trying. Desperate. He's a desperate. That's why I called him the complete overreach of a desperate despot. Every move he's making lately, to me, is both despotic, incompetent, and also insecure in a lot of ways. But we'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you just outlined is. Sure is my vision of how you would restore and heal America. Okay, question for you. How do you think when the Democrats clearly come back into control because they believe this. Once Trump is gone, everyone's going to fall down. What do you think his vision is for restoring America?

[Adam Curry]

What could it be? To bring back some programs or to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we have to heal. We have to. How did we heal in World War II?

[Adam Curry]

Stringing up all the Republicans is my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vision of how you would restore and heal America. They'd have moral clarity and have the. Effectively, like a Nuremberg trial. You said okay. You knew this was a lie. You nailed it. Nuremberg trials. String them up. Hang him. No, some.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's hang them up and have effectively, like a Nuremberg trial. You said okay. You knew this was a lie. You purposely tried to create violence and mayhem. You purposely tried to overrun our elections. You purpose committed fraud. You purposely leveraged our international sway to enrich your children. I love the Idea of a stream of perp walks and moral clarity around this stuff, that America's laws have a long memory. I love that. That's a fantasy of mine. I dream of that at night. My fear, Kara, is that there's actually a lot of people who like what's going on right now. Oh, man. Jacques Hughes.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was the Republicans Nuremberg trials? Where was the Nuremberg trial for the COVID vaccine? Where were all those. Where those Nuremberg trials didn't happen. Just to set the record straight, and then I'll let you roll. This is from the John Bachelor, so. Which I only get as a podcast. We're doing podcast people. John Yu, who's from Berkeley and Civitas Institute in Austin, of all places, explains the law Title 10, under which this is taking place. The President can call out the National.

[Adam Curry]

Guard in case of an invasion, and.

[Unknown]

Then it says second condition, or there's.

[Adam Curry]

A rebellion, but then there's third condition.

[John C. Dvorak]

The President is unable to execute the.

[Adam Curry]

Laws of the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

So any one of those three. The media narrative has ignored this third provision.

[Adam Curry]

This third provision is obviously the one that's at stake here. Can President Trump legitimately find that the execution of the laws of the United States here?

[John C. Dvorak]

The immigration laws in Los Angeles is being blocked.

[Adam Curry]

He can't execute them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if he can't, then the law.

[Adam Curry]

Allows him to call out the National Guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bingo. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that nails it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so, no, you is one of those guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

You, you, you, you, you.

[Adam Curry]

You is the guy, if I'm not mistaken, is the one who came up with the rationale for torture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he did. No. Was that you? Was that you? No, that what that was.

[Adam Curry]

It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was a different guy. It was another you type guy.

[Adam Curry]

You is pretty good. He's. He's one of those guys who. He's one of those guys who knows how to bend the law. Him and Dershowitz.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is not bending the law. It's.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. No. I mean, interpreting the law in a very strong. Yeah, it's not bending at all. It's actually finding the rules and then applying them.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, so when you keep hearing it's against the Constitution. He's not upholding the Constitution. That is, in fact, the opposite. One more clip, because I just love this doozy from CN cnn who you'd think would probably not favor President Trump or any of his policies or any of this. They did a little poll amongst legal immigrants, immigrant residents and citizens of the United States. Surprising results. Yeah, let's just sort of start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in.

[Adam Curry]

2024 and 2025 versus where they were.

[John C. Dvorak]

In 2020 closest to her trustworthy immigration. You go back to 2020. Democrats get this. Held a 32 point lead on this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to 2024, 2025.

[Adam Curry]

Look at that shift.

[John C. Dvorak]

A 40 point shift to the right among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by 8 points over Democrats, more so than.

[Adam Curry]

Any other group that I could find. Find.

[John C. Dvorak]

The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves. Immigrants who are registered to vote in this country. Boom. All right, drop it there. By the way, you're right. I was thinking Alberto Gonzalez, who was co author with John Lee.

[Adam Curry]

No, Gonzalez is a lightweight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, John Yoo, you're right. John. You, you. So this is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have a, I have a take on this that I want to present.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Because I think there's dirty tricks going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

No dirty tricks.

[Adam Curry]

There's gambling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gambling going on at the protests and.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's at a level that we haven't seen since Segretti and Dick Tuck during the Nixon administration where he had these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was barely alive, but yeah, well.

[Adam Curry]

There was some great stuff that used to be done and it's been kind of passed over. And I think Trump's behind a lot of this. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I love it when you say Trump's behind a lot of this. I'm like, yeah, believable. Lay it on me. I want to hear what's going. This has to be about the midterms. Everything's about the midterms, right?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, everything's eventually. But yeah, well, that's where it's all they have to. But this is a long strategy and I don't. And I think there's denial, plausible deniability. There's no way this is going to be tracked to Trump. This is just a thesis I can't prove. Just seems a little suspicious and you get hints of it when you start listening to some TikTokers. Now I want to start off with. To organize. This is different. But this is the. I want to start off with this with what I see is going on with TikTok. They're using TikTok in much the same way as that mainstream used to be used or that Sinclair Broadcasting used to use where everybody said the same thing. Somehow they've gotten to the influencers and I want to play these. Jaywalking.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's easy. You just call up the agency. There's agencies for the influencers.

[Adam Curry]

You call them up is a series of clips where they. Which are bogus clips, but this is the talk. Jaywalking clips.

[Unknown]

Being in a country that you're in illegally is a civil offense, not a criminal one. You know what else is a civil offense? Jaywalking. And being undocumented is not a criminal offense. It's a civil one. And if you've ever jaywalked, congratulations, because you've also committed a civil offense. Have you ever sped over the speed limit? Have you ever drank or smoked underage? Have you ever drank and then driven a car? What about jaywalking? Being undocumented in America is a civil offense. It's not a criminal one. It's the same caliber of crime as a traffic offense. Just a reminder in case anyone forgot, being undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one. You've so much as littered on public property. I never want to hear, oh, but they broke a law as a justification for your hate. Just for the record being here, undocumented is not a criminal offense. It's a civil one. So that means if you've ever jaywalked, you to have committed a civil offense. Okay. And if you're really concerned about criminals being in this country, then I have to ask, like, why did you vote for one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not to interrupt you, but I did look up this civil offense because I knew you had this clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

And here's what I came up with. Civil offense is unlawful entry or presence in the United States violates immigration laws, specifically the Immigration and Nationality act, the ina. This is handled as a civil matter through administrative process, like deportation or removal proceedings conducted by immigration authorities, eg, Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ice. Being undocumented or overstaying a visa generally does not result in criminal prosecution on its own.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's great. This is a very interesting way to program completely ignorant people who have not.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, these people, by the way, jaywalking. I looked it up, too. Jaywalking is a criminal offense in most jurisdictions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. That's even better.

[Adam Curry]

So you. So they have this wrong now in California, while I was researching that, and I also found the criminal part of the illegal immigration is how you entered the country. That could be a felony or a misdemeanor. Yes, that can be criminal offense when you're floating around. Yeah, they're right about that, but they're not really right. This is just Specious.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, I have. Ooh, specious. I have that. Illegal entry entering the US without inspection or authorization is a misdemeanor under 8 USC 1324, punishable by fines or up to six months in prison for the first offense. Illegal re entry after deportation is a felony with penalties of up to two years in prison or more if the individual has a criminal history.

[Adam Curry]

So yeah. So while looking this up curiously, and I don't think this is generally known, and I still like to find out, some Vietnamese assemblyman in California, they, they put a bill in play that made it legal. In fact, they called it decriminalization because it was a criminal act. The decriminalization of jaywalking in California by Newsom.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember this somehow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, signed by Newsom. And it goes to the. At least from what I can tell, it gets to the point where you can just walk against the light into the street.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? So what's the point of the light?

[Adam Curry]

No, screw the light. So I mean this is unbelievable, but this kind of propaganda is like, okay, this is what you're gonna do now. You're gonna take these dumb women and I will say many of them are not, and I can use this term, not unattractive. They weren't the blue haired nose ring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Women, but they are all over socialized and under educated.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're just, they're. They're dummies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they're. And they've. Obviously you're right. There's a agency called up the main group. There's probably. I don't know what they had to pay for this, but these girls are probably getting.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all young, 700 bucks, 750 bucks I'm getting. I think that's probably what it is.

[Adam Curry]

That's kind of high. I think you can get them to do it for five. But anyway, can we get, can we get him to cost.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we get him to talk.

[Adam Curry]

Basically prostitution, by the way, can we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get him to talk about the no Agenda show for five?

[Adam Curry]

You know, and not to mention it. Yeah, it might not be a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why spend on Facebook ads if you can get these gals?

[Adam Curry]

So I run into these other clips, like talking about that. You played the clip of the guy from CNN who goes crazy. He's great, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so I got these two clips that I have to play. This is the legal immigrant rant from a woman. Legal immigrant rant.

[Unknown]

I am a legal immigrant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Unknown]

And I want to tell you something. I'm disabled. Discussed by what people from other countries like Mexico are doing right now in my new country. I came from Mexico. I came legally. I have work all my life here to get what I have. I have never asked for a penny to the government. I didn't come here to get something from the government. I came for an opportunity. And I got it. And I have the American dream. What about all of those people protesting in California and New York? What are they doing? They are burning the city. If you don't like to be deported and you want to stay here, you have to have your best behavior, not the worst behavior. You think that we want you here with that behavior of burning cars, burning the entire city? Why. Why do we talk to the authorities in your behalf?

[John C. Dvorak]

There is.

[Unknown]

Has no meaning on that. And for the people that are defending this violent attackers, people that don't deserve.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be here, shame on you.

[Unknown]

Shame on you. Because you're supposed to talk into.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell them the truth.

[Unknown]

You're not supposed to line up with them. You're supposed to tell them, go to your country. You are waving the flag of another country that you love.

[Adam Curry]

Go.

[Unknown]

You don't need to be here. You don't deserve to be here. You don't deserve another opportunity in this country because apparently you don't love this country like I do. So go away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Where's the. Where's the. The national anthem playing on that?

[Adam Curry]

I know. She's too much. Now we have. This is my last clip before I tell you this. My. My theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not that great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

But this is the Mexican flag dude. Now this guy. This guy is a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

This dude's good.

[Adam Curry]

Did you see him?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? The guy with this. With the chest? Oh, yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

The guy. If he. If he is not Mr. He doesn't have enough testing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the iconic image of this peaceful protest. That's the way I see it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And he is not happy about what he's seeing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let me get this straight, just so I could clarify. You don't want to go back to Mexico. You're protesting to stay away from Mexico, but you're waving the Mexican flag and.

[Adam Curry]

You'Re waving it with pride.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're waving it in the United States, the country.

[Adam Curry]

You're trying to stay in the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want to leave, but yet you're waving the Mexican flag with pride. Okay, that seems normal to you. That seems logical. That's not stupid at all. None of that stupid.

[Adam Curry]

All right?

[John C. Dvorak]

You guys. You guys are embarrassment to the Mexican culture.

[Adam Curry]

And to the United States culture. You guys are embarrassment to everybody around.

[John C. Dvorak]

You and you should be ashamed of yourself. Do better. Was that the Mexican flag, dude?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh.

[Adam Curry]

So that. No, that was the guy bitching about the Mexican flag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so here's what's going. I see it over and over again. There is no way that Trump somehow dirty tricking. It is not behind the Mexican flags. Those too many Mexican flags. They're all brand new. They're all over the place. Nobody's been picked up or interviewed holding one. Except there's a few jokers wearing them as, as scarves. But for the most part, the Mexican flag has been planted just for this purpose. That Mexican flag is showing up way too much in all these protests and it is a scam and I think it's a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too many mexicanflags.com.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody, too many Mexican flags. This is bull crap. There is no way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you're right.

[Adam Curry]

They're all brand new flags too, that something came along.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the joke is they're all made in China. That's the best.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that is funny and it's. And it is probably true. But the guy with the motorcycle and he's driving around the Mexican flag and he's going around in the circle and the guy on top of the car waving the Mexican flag and they got that shot all over the place. And a lot of them posed with that guy on the car with the Mexican flag, which surrounded by Mexican flags. Give me a break, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think you're overdoing it. I think you're spot on about that. And they're brand new. It's not like, hey, mom, I'm going to take the flag with me today. It's not like that. Yeah, yeah. Well, brilliant it is.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was genius. And the M5M and everybody, they don't know what. They're flat footed. They're so stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they have a job to do. You know, they have a job. So I just have a couple minutes here. This is meant to be interrupted again of just people out on the streets of Los Angeles.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one. What I mean, you gave me the permission to interrupt knowing I'm going to anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is meant to be.

[Adam Curry]

But you're telling me in advance you're not going to get irked at me?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's very important. This clip is made for you to interrupt. I wanted to make sure that you weren't like being on your best behavior.

[Adam Curry]

Or you were going to make sure that I was going to actually listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[Unknown]

People with big, heavy hammers pounding the.

[Adam Curry]

Concrete and pounding curbs, pounding it, breaking up and handing these big chunks of concrete to people.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they were taking that concrete going up in bridges and dropping it into.

[Adam Curry]

The roof of a car. They were throwing it at our police.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were throwing it at our soldiers that are there.

[Adam Curry]

I could tell you there were certain areas of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forgot to tell you. There's some Trump stuff in here, too.

[Adam Curry]

Los Angeles. You could have called it an insurrection. It was terrible. But these are paid insurrectionists. These are paid troublemakers.

[John C. Dvorak]

They get money. This weekend was marked with absolute and total violence. Brutal repression and attacks. Coordinated attacks against our community. For us as indigenous people to these lands, to this continent. This is nothing new. The military going after us is nothing new. We don't. So this is part of the narrative that's out there. Hey, man, we own this place. We were here before you. There was no war about it. It's ours. Advocate for violence, but when they use that.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, there was not only a war about it, but we also paid Mexico for a bunch of the property that we took. So there was a war and reparations. I mean, we own. This is not some bull. This is bull crap. This may actually be also a psyop, for all we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, it is. Brutal violence against our people and kidnapping mothers and fathers from children is violent when they do things like that. We have every right, every historic right to defend our communities by any ways that we can.

[Unknown]

And we're going to continue to do so.

[John C. Dvorak]

A historic, historic right to defend our communities. We own this place. And by the way, after years of. We thank the indigenous, original owners of this place in California for letting us be here and letting us have this meeting. Yeah, no wonder people start to think this way.

[Unknown]

Remember that California was part of Mexico. All of the Southwest is Mexico. So the roots are really deep in that region. And what they're saying is, no, not in our community.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't agree with the term illegal. We're undocumented. We've been here for thousands of years before you guys showed up.

[Adam Curry]

How old is that guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. In his 40s, I think. Years old. We're anti capitalist. We think socialism does work. Real socialism.

[Adam Curry]

Is there a country we can look for to kind of model the socialism idea?

[John C. Dvorak]

The only model would be Soviet Union the first four years. Yeah. So you're in the wrong country, bro. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I hear. I know where you got this clip, but I saw this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I can tell you where it came from. It's Jesse Waters without Jesse Waters.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Jesse Waters played. Yeah, he's got. He's got some of the better producers on Fox, and he may have the best show on Fox, including Gus.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what happens is, you know, I hear the lady. The lunch ladies here, you know, they're very worried. Oh, you know, the protest, the riots. It's gonna be here on Saturday. No kings. There's 50 Democrats in Fredericksburg. I'm sure they're going to be out there protesting. No kings. You know, whatever. But the way it plays on television, which is what everyone just gets sucked into and, you know, just looking at the quad, except for the. The 787 crash, which we'll talk about later.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the 787 crash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you being facetious?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, 747, coming from India to Gatwick, crashed on takeoff. I think there's one survivor, but 747? No, 787.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, you said. I thought you said 747.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I said 787.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, 787, which is a nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plane, has never had an incident like this.

[Adam Curry]

And it crashed in Gatwick.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it was leaving India. And of course, there's tons of video of it. So it takes off and then it just kind of floats down and crashes and burns with 50 tons of jet fuel on it into a hospital building, which I'm surprised the hospital building didn't collapse unto itself. Sorry. Maybe a bit too early. But I had to say it. And, you know, everyone's like, too soon? Yeah, everyone's like, he didn't have his flaps. He had his flaps up. His wheels were down. Blah, blah. So first of all, nobody knows nothing right now, but the lone survivor supposedly said there was a loud bang upon takeoff, which could mean a compressor stall. The Ram air turbine appears to have come out. That's a little. A little kind of fan that drops down beneath the fuselage to generate electricity in the case of an electrical outage. So that could be responsible for a whole bunch of things. My guys on the inside, they say they think it might be one of those windows. 95 crashed on takeoff, and it blew everything out, and they couldn't restore it, which is. That's kind of frightening because all this stuff is fly by wire. It's all computerized. But I doubt this is pilot error. Yeah, it was 42 degrees centigrade.

[Adam Curry]

So the possibility exists. We were off topic. By the way. But thanks to me. You said I could interrupt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So you think it might be a software failure?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Now, who makes this jet? Let me think of the company name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is not good for Boeing. It's not Good for those 290 people, their families either, to be honest about it. And it's a bad day for aviation. Day wrecker. Day wrecker.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, Boeing has got to be fixed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, you know, everybody's on tv. Well, you know, I didn't. I. I saw only the slats, the flaps weren't out, the gear wasn't up, which all tr. But what is the cause? Is it because I love this one. Well, the pilot, clearly, he pulled the flaps up instead of the gear.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, these are the two knobs in every aircraft that have remained the same as far as I know. I have not flown a 787 in the cockpit, but the flaps is an. Is a lever that you go from down to up. And the lever is a flat piece of plastic that resembles a flap. And the gear is a lever that has a rubber wheel on it. So when you grab it, you're like, that's a wheel. So that seems highly unlikely that that happened. But, you know, hey, everyone's. Oh, I got something to say. I'm an expert in aviation. I have my private pilot's license. Put me on tv.

[Adam Curry]

Glad it happened during the show so we don't have to deal with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. So anyway, let's go back because we have this big protest coming up on Saturday. No kings. No kings. And.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this is a lame protest, by the way. I should mention it's up front. No king. Who cares? What is no kings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was already scheduled.

[Adam Curry]

Now, he was Hitler. Now he's king. Is he Hitler, which is a dictator who is, you know, elected dictator, or is he a king, which is a monarch? Make up your minds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's also, you know, there. There's a lot of groups who are grabbing on to this, which is. Is going to screw it up. Because Winston Salem, for instance, you know, they. They're calling it no Queen's Day Rising, no Kings, and they're adding trans to the whole issue. So that. What? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's going to screw everything up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're adding. Oh, this is. Well, maybe that's also an op to do that. That would be pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Everything's an op with you.

[Adam Curry]

And you're not wrong because of this flag thing. And when I kept seeing it, I said, Today is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's up day, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

And then we had in the topper to make me really think in terms of oppos, listening to these dumb chicks going on and on about civil versus jaywalking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jaywalking. Yeah, yeah. Let me see. We have. Oh, okay. Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago. See, this is the moment when Democrat politicians like Gavin Newsom, Everybody's seen him. Arrest me then. Come on, Tom Holman, arrest me. So everyone's got big cojones all of a sudden.

[Adam Curry]

Mayor Brandon Johnson says it's cruel and unconstitutional.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right now in our country, there's no check and balance. It doesn't exist right now.

[Adam Curry]

Violent class.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's checks and balances, Mr. Mayor, but all right. There's no check and balance. Your checkbook. What is going on? Checking balance right now in our country, there's no check and balance. It doesn't exist right now.

[Adam Curry]

Violent clashes between heavily armed Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and Los Angeles protesters creating alarm in Chicago with word of an impending enforcement action.

[Unknown]

The federal agents have been informed that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have 48 hours to stand by.

[Unknown]

And be ready to deploy.

[Adam Curry]

The mayor's chief of staff planning for what many fear will be a chaotic and dangerous apprehension of undocumented Chicago residents.

[Unknown]

There will be tactical teams.

[John C. Dvorak]

There will be mini tanks.

[Unknown]

There will be other tools that they use, tools in which they plan to do raids. As we saw in Los Angeles, protests.

[John C. Dvorak]

Against the ICE raid, similar to what.

[Adam Curry]

We witnessed locally last night. Another concern for the mayor and Chicago police seeking to preserve public safety and people's rights to assemble and protest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is the funny thing, because I don't think anyone has a problem with. If you want to protest, you want to carry your flags around, that's fine. But that's not what it is. That's not what this is. That's not what this is. And there's no Kings Day. Remember, we talked about the 5051 organization, 50 so 50501. So from another podcast, because you can't get anything from television. This is true. Right side up with Nivea Souza and she delves into what. So it's a podcast, so bear with me. She'll delve into what 5051 is.

[Unknown]

5051 movement. It is a campaign that launched earlier this year in response to the new administration and their policies. It all started on Reddit. From one Reddit user, all of this came to be. The movement has rapidly gained momentum. They are now protesting across the nation, causing a holster and a lot of conspiracies. So the 5051 core objectives are what you would probably expect. An investigation into Elon Musk when he was still with the administration. All of Trump's appointees, impeaching Donald Trump, reinstatement of DEI initiatives, protections of LGBTQ plus rights and minority groups, reinstatement of aid to Ukraine, lifting tariffs, etc. Etc. The movement officially launched in early February of this year in response to the inauguration. They had 80 different protests in all 50 states. They continue to protest in February. They had not My President's Day. Thousands of people nationwide protested the administration's policies in March. They did March 4th for democracy. On April 5th, they had one of the biggest coordinated protests across the country, the biggest of this year, their hands off protest. They were in collaboration with 150 different organizations, including ACLU and the Women's March. There was 1400 different protests that broke out across all 50 states. An estimate of 3 to 5 million people participated in these protests. According to the protesters, they involved a coalition of over 169 progressive labor union, pro democracy, civil rights, LGBTQ+ and women's rights groups. This was a huge deal. And I live somewhere where you don't see protesters. I live really rural. I did not know this was even going on because there was such little media coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show me what democracy looks like.

[Unknown]

This is what democracy looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show me what democracy looks like.

[Unknown]

This is what democracy looks like. I would just like to talk about the fact that this lady with the megaphone leading this chanting about democracy. She's decked out and everything. Pro Palestinian. The irony.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. So, so the, what the, what the M5M does though, is they love this. All they want is video of burning cars, Trump burning Trump effigies. That's all they want. And Rachel Maddow, I know I do need an intervention. I apologize. She could not promote for her whole show. I just got a couple clips. She kept saying no kings. June 14th everywhere. No kings. June 14th. Everybody come on out. June 14th. No kings everywhere.

[Unknown]

When Trump issued his order to federalize the National Guard over the issue, over the objections of California's governor this weekend, that order was not specific to Los Angeles. It was not specific to California. That order that he issued, he's coming for you. Is something that he could use to send National Guard troops anywhere or even active duty forces. Now he's sending 700 Marines, supposedly from the Marine Corps base at 29 Palms.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to come and kill you.

[Unknown]

And that is a portrait of weakness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weakness. That's the best.

[Adam Curry]

You know, they keep Going on with this. He's weak. He's insecure is another one, which is like, of all the people that you've ever seen, I don't see him as insecure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it time for the Trump rotation again? Do we need to? Do we need to?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that some things could be added to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we need to listen to the Trump rotation.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe you're right. Maybe they should redo it and bring the new stuff in because insecure wasn't on the old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's see what. What's in the Trump rotation from how many years ago now is it seven years ago?

[Adam Curry]

I have my list, and you might want to see if there's anything I left out. This is the Trump rotation. There's two categories. There's a regular and then there's the criminal. But here we go. Ready? Yep. Liar, incompetent, unhinged, illegitimate president, white supremacist, racist, bully, immature, Russian agent, narcissist, mean, long time insane. Tweets, too much, Small hands, small penis, big red button, Criminal, mean, racist, immature, thin skinned, runs the mob, has no money, unstable, fatter than 239 pounds, bankrupt, 25th amendment should be instituted. He hates women, misogynist, holds grudges forever, plays golf a lot. Obstruction of justice, money laundering, and clown.

[John C. Dvorak]

John. No wonder we're making America white again. Yeah, no, I think it needs to be updated. You're right. I didn't even hear. Yeah, let's go back to Rachel Maddow for a moment.

[Unknown]

All right. That. That is what you get when you have a supposed leader, a supposed strong man even, who can't figure out how to get the support of his people, and he knows it.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

He can't get the support of his people, and he knows it.

[Unknown]

That is what you get when you have a weak president, an unpopular president who sees the people are against him, who can't defend his actions, who is losing support over time and not gaining it, even on the issues where he thinks he's supposed to be strongest. This is a president who has no other ideas and no skills to get him out of this political pickle that he is in, and who has therefore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Political pickle rushed right to the end.

[Unknown]

And has decided that if the people are against him, well, then he will bludgeon them. He will literally bludgeon them into not protesting anymore because the protests against him are working.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Unknown]

And growing. And they're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's working. Now, let's get into the promotional part here.

[Unknown]

And you ain't seen Nothing yet. Because among other things, what is this? This is no Kings Week.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's no Kings Week. It's a week all of a sudden.

[Adam Curry]

When did it become a week?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I didn't get the memo. But it's no Kings Week.

[Unknown]

That's this week. Remember this upcoming weekend, Saturday, June 14, is likely to be the largest set of protests yet against Trump and the Trump administration. And Trump knows it's coming. You remember that really giant day of protests against Trump back on April 5th? Remember that huge day of protests? No, hands off protests. There were over 1000 protests schedul that day all over the country against Trump. Well, this weekend, this Saturday, June 14th, there are already more than 1800 protests scheduled against Trump all around the country. It's gonna be like, twice the size of that massive day of protests that we saw on April 5th. Okay, so what, Trump is gonna do his military parade for himself in Washington that day?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the talking point.

[Unknown]

Interestingly, and I think importantly, there is not a no Kings Day Protest in Washington, D.C. this Saturday because of Trump's military parade. They're going to do, like, a flagship national protest in Philadelphia. But there are more than 1800 other protests against Trump planned all over the country. It looks like there are going to be more and larger protests against Trump this weekend, this Saturday than we have yet seen on any other day. And he knows it. He cannot handle the amount of protest against him now, and it is about to increase exponentially.

[John C. Dvorak]

She really believes that this is like, protest is good protest. Go ahead, protest.

[Adam Curry]

You think anyone cares that the ICE protests in LA are about him? They're about ice.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this. But this is what I'm saying. This is the disconnect. ICE is like.

[Adam Curry]

She's lost her mind, this poor woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you look at the no Kings Day posters, ICE is like, eighth on the list. You know, it's more about tariffs and inflation and all the old talking points. They didn't have time to print up new posters. Final clip.

[Unknown]

The no Kings Day of Defiance.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Kings Day of Defiance. It's expanded in scope.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. Now it's grammatically incorrect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

No King's Day of Defiance. What? That's a non sequitur at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown]

The no King's Day of Defiance. They said this today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quote, I always want to remind you that she makes millions of dollars doing this.

[Adam Curry]

She makes 25 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I always want to remind you because that kind of gets you riled up when you hear that. $25 million.

[Unknown]

The no kings day of defiance. They said this today.

[Adam Curry]

Quote, the no king's 25 million bucks should say anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump sucks.

[Adam Curry]

She obviously has. She has. She has orders.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give me $25 million. Trump sucks. He's Hitler. He's no good. John, what do you think about Trump for $25 million, what do you think? Sucks.

[Unknown]

They said this today. Quote, the no Kings mobilizations on June 14 were already planned as a peaceful stand against authoritarian overreach and the gross abuse of power this administration has shown. Now, this military escalation, meaning what's happening in Los Angeles, only confirms what we have known. This government wants to rule by force, not serve the people. From major cities to small towns, we will rise together and say, we reject political violence. We reject fear as governance. We reject the myth that only some deserve freedom. On Saturday, June 14, more than 1800 rallies will take place across the country, peaceful, organized and united. The no Kings movement has posted a map online showing where those 1800 plus rallies will be held. I should tell you, and I think this is important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[Unknown]

Of those 1800, more than 100 of those have been added to the map since Trump announced that he was sending the National Guard into LA O if he was hoping to get people to not protest. It's backfiring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Backfiring.

[Unknown]

Organizers are gonna hold a series of online trainings this week ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Agenda producers, we need you to jump on these zoom calls for some training.

[Unknown]

Organizers are gonna hold a series of online trainings this week ahead of the big day tomorrow. It's a know your rights training that they're doing nationwide by Zoom so people can better understand how to interact with law enforcement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or how about this, don't spit on them, don't throw things at them, don't get in their face. And you should be okay. That's my advice.

[Unknown]

Provocateurs during the demonstrations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, how you deal with provocateurs. Oh, I see.

[Unknown]

And how to interact with.

[Adam Curry]

There's always going to be those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Law enforcement or provocateurs during the demonstrations. Then two days later on Thursday, another big nationwide zoom call. They're calling it a pre mobilization mass call. That's for anybody who's planning to participate. Potentially tens of thousands of people are going to be on that call. It's basically just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's on right now, ahead of.

[Unknown]

The big day Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, someone should be on it all.

[Adam Curry]

We got to get on the ball here. It's not going to be easy. You know, they have this. One of the places they have these protests is In Port Angeles, Washington, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

And is Mimi going. Is Mimi going to. Bringing her Mexican flag?

[Adam Curry]

Well, she, like, she goes by. She never takes enough photos for my taste, but she goes by. It's the same. She says it's the same six people. And they're always out in front of the same. In front of the library or the city Hall. I can't remember where specifically. They're always handmade signs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump sells.

[Adam Curry]

And they're. And they're. And they're all old. It's not like any kids or, you know, any millennials or anything. It's just a bunch of old farts, which I've seen. They also have the. This will show up over here in El Cerrito, near me and El Cerrito Plaza. And I've joined in once in a while to go over there so I can chat with people, of course, and get a couple of cool signs. Hey, man, can I have your sign for my collection? I need any good signs, but just some good ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I hold your sign, please?

[Adam Curry]

And. Well, I've done different things to get. To get signs. I've actually bought signs. And most people give up their signs for some cash. And there's also sign makers. There's usually a sign maker that's around there, and he's making custom signs, and he's like, you know, has reasonably good handwriting. He prints the signs up and they staples them to a stick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was this in the 2000s that you did this? This.

[Adam Curry]

I've done this a couple of times, if I. If I have time. And I. Because it's over by the post office where I go to pick up the mail, and if there's a little protest going on, it's usually about, you mingle. You mingle 20 or 30 people. Yeah, I'll pull a car over a park, and then I'll come and mingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey, girls.

[Adam Curry]

There'll be somebody with a bullhorn and a sheet of paper of stuff that they're supposed to yell into the bullhorn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I hold your paper for a second?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I do that, but it's good. It's good research.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, everybody's.

[Adam Curry]

You know that, but it's the same thing. They're all in their 50s and 60s, so you belong.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just. You just. Yeah, you've been right in.

[Adam Curry]

I'm the old guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blend in.

[Adam Curry]

Well, look right in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at that. Look at that gray hair.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got. You know, the hair is kind of disheveled. And I wear. I'm wearing. I'm wearing flannel Shirts a lot because we're damn colder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have your, your, your, your sandals on or what are you wearing?

[Adam Curry]

For sure, I don't wear. No, I have. I wear Crocs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crocs, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

I don't wear Crocs. I'm just making it clear. I don't wear Crocs. I wear Skechers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're Crocs on steroids. They're like Crocs. They're just Skechers from a same factory.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, so these protests are a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

The, This I thought was the. This is such a good clip of Nancy Pelosi. I mean, what do we know about the National Guard on January 6?

[Adam Curry]

We know that Trump sent a memo to Pelosi, who's in charge of the National Guard, because she's responsible and she's in charge of the sergeant at arms of the Congress. And so she tells him what to do. He sent a memo to Nancy saying, I think it's, you know, there could be some protests that we should probably protect the Capitol. We need. We should probably put 10,000 National Guard troops. This was discussed by Nancy. Nancy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oops. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Come back. This was discussed by Nancy.

[Adam Curry]

This was discussed by Nancy's daughter in the movie that she made where Nancy said, yeah, I could have probably stopped it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

But Nancy was given the memo and she says, screw this, we're not going to do that. And then they destroyed that memo. Was that Nancy's. Was Nancy's property at the time she was destroyed during the hearings. And nobody wants to talk about. Even though she already, you know, it's already on tape that she said what she told her daughter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So Trump was trying to get the National Guard out to just protect the Capitol and that he was rebuked and then blamed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's interesting because Nancy Pelosi remembers it differently.

[Unknown]

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is noting the disconnect between how the President is behaving now and how he behaved in January, on January 6, on January 6.

[Adam Curry]

With violence against the Constitution, against the Congress, and against the United States Capitol. We begged the President of the United States to send in the National Guard. He would not do it contra constitutional way. He has sent the National Guard into California.

[Unknown]

Something is very wrong with this picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yes. Something is very wrong with this picture. Nancy, isn't that amazing? It doesn't surprise me in the least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, they just liars us. Yeah, it doesn't surprise us at all. I'm ready to Move on if you are. I, I, I would like to.

[Adam Curry]

I probably. Let's just see if there's any scrounge clips left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scrounge. Man, this is like, this is an hour of this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

No, you're right. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're talking more about it than the actual protests will last. It's like, I will say I watched the Apple WWDC keynote, which is a, which is not a keynote, it's a video. And can I summarize it for you as I usually do?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you can summarize for me as you usually do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's gorgeous. Liquid glass is gorgeous. It's just gorgeous. All your apps are gorgeous. The video, it's gorgeous. It's just gorgeous.

[Adam Curry]

Did he say gorgeous?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they all say gorgeous. Particularly tiny him. It's gorgeous. It's just so Liquid glass is gorgeous. There you go. That's, that is your. Did you tell me to watch Ted Lasso?

[Adam Curry]

When it first came out maybe four years ago, I mentioned that it was an interesting show, kind of. At least the first season.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, because, because it's on Apple TV and we, and someone, someone else recommended it and we started watching it. We love it. I almost, almost didn't want to make fun of Apple today, but I can' Because Ted Lasso is gorgeous. Everything with Apple's.

[Adam Curry]

I thought this show jumped a shark right at the end of the first season. I never watched it since.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, we're in the second season. It's still good. I mean, it's unrealistic. It doesn't show at all. The, the grooming racist country of the United Kingdom doesn't portray that to any accuracy. And the, and the only brown people are the ones playing football ball. Yeah. Anyway, so that was a ghost.

[Adam Curry]

Gorgeous. Did you watch the show? It's about sports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina's watching a show about sports. That's. You talk about crazy. This is great.

[Adam Curry]

Although, have you started watching the Recruit?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. I can't take any more violence. I can't take the violence.

[Adam Curry]

It's not that violent.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't like the violence. It's too much. I'm tired of violence.

[Adam Curry]

The Recruit, just for anyone out there. It's on Netflix and it's about a schmuck that the CIA and he gets beat up a lot because he's an idiot and. But it, the thing that's remarkable about the show is the portrayal of the bureaucracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the back biting, backstabbing creepy. And anyone's worked in a big bureaucracy whether. And Mimi says, yeah, corporate. Same way because she worked at a couple of big banks when she was younger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I worked at an administrative state, state operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were a Democrat. I can't even believe that you, you converted. It's amazing. You got saved.

[Adam Curry]

No common sense. And so. But just to watch the, the scenes in the office are the ones that make that show work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. The other story that dominated the M5M in for obvious reasons, again full of lies, was the ACIP. This is the, the, the board of advisors that advises on vaccines for the CDC, which Robert Kennedy Jr. Decided to disband and bring in new guys. And this caused such a tizzy because.

[Adam Curry]

Sure did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we know that most of the advertising, certainly on the news programs, but everywhere, everywhere you look, you know, turn on, turn on some TV if you got it still, maybe you can get one of those over the air antennas or get YouTube TV for a day and then cancel it.

[Adam Curry]

It's all the over the air antennas are cheap and effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's safe and effective, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's an intro from NBC that'll give you the rundown. Then I have a couple specific clips from Dr. Celine Gounder we need to discuss back here at home. The future of vaccine recommendations remains in.

[Adam Curry]

Question following the move by Health Secretary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. To retire all.

[Adam Curry]

The members of a CDC panel of independent experts advising on vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, whenever you say Robert Kennedy Jr. You have to say Robert Kennedy Jr. A known vaccine skeptic.

[Adam Curry]

Here's Anne Thompson.

[Unknown]

Fierce blowback tonight to HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. S decision to remove all members of the CDC's vaccine advisory committee from public health health experts. If this committee stops recommending vaccines, insurance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Won'T cover it anymore. People will not get it. You will have a real. We know that's factually not true. We know that the recommendations that change that, that insurance will cover it. We went through this.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. What you're pointing out is what we've pointed out before, that this is a lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a lie. Yes. Oh, that. Correct. It's a lie.

[Unknown]

Insurance won't cover it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

People will not get it. You will have a. People will not get it. You won't have access somehow.

[Adam Curry]

People will not get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, people won't get it.

[Adam Curry]

What network is this? And why would you put a blatant liar on. Oh, wait a minute. It's because the networks are bought and paid for by big Pharma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's NBC. And what he's not. What he's saying is he didn't even Say he actually threw out the talking point without even knowing it. It's not even a talking point. It's what's behind the talking point. What he's saying is not like people won't be able to afford it. He didn't even say people won't have access. He says people won't get it, which is the fear of the pharma companies. Oh, they're not going to get the shot anymore. That's direct to our bottom line. That's what he's saying from public health experts.

[Unknown]

If this committee stops recommending vaccines, insurance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Won'T cover it anymore. People will not get it. You will have a real impact on people's access to vaccines and our stock.

[Unknown]

Price and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we're likely to see diseases that we've that many people never seen before or even heard of, diseases never even heard of.

[Adam Curry]

How does that work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Just don't want to scare you, but there will be diseases you've never even heard of. Somehow vaccines magically exist for it. But you're going to get that concern from parents.

[Unknown]

Don Gibson, father of two in California.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, this is the most. I'm sorry, you're playing this because now you're getting me mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is a bingo pay dirt.

[Adam Curry]

Pathetic indictment of the mainstream media that they would do this. This.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, isn't that what we do?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but this is a pathetic indictment. Not just an indictment. This is pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll try to be more classy next time.

[Unknown]

Concern from parents. Don Gibson, father of two in California I'm really worried that my children won't have access to vaccines that I did access.

[Adam Curry]

Access. Oh brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have access to it. What's access?

[Unknown]

I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like Internet access. What kind of access, mom?

[Unknown]

Harney Montez in the heart of the recent West Texas measles outbreak, I very much trust vaccines. Kennedy, a longtime best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Best drop in ever mom in West Texas. Gotta be a nutjob Republican. I very much trust vaccines. Done.

[Unknown]

California, I'm really worried that my children won't have access to vaccines that I did, mom. Harini Montez in the heart of the recent West Texas measles outbreak. I very much trust vaccines. Kennedy, a longtime vaccine skeptic, in today's Wall Street Journal writing did you hear it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well known vaccine skeptic.

[Adam Curry]

I thought she said long time.

[Unknown]

Oh, very much trust vaccines. Kennedy, a longtime vaccine skeptic in today's Wall Street Journal writing, a clean sweep is needed to re establish public confidence in vaccine science claiming the committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of influence interest. The committee is made up of independent medical and public health experts who make recommendations to the CDC about vaccine usage. Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy, a doctor said in February Kennedy in the Trump White House promised him this it confirmed he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's advisory committee on immunization practices recommendations without change changes. Today Cassidy was hold on a second. Recommendations without changes. Not that he would keep the entire panel in place but the recommendations. So they kind of fuffle around on that and make it sound like Kennedy promised not to change the advisory panel but he promised he wouldn't change the recommendations from the panel. Didn't say that hey, it could be a new panel.

[Unknown]

Senator Bill Cassidy, a doctor said in February Kennedy in the Trump White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Promised him this worst it confirmed he will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's advisory committee on immunization practices recommendations without changes. You see what to see. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. But I might change the panel today Cassidy was cautious.

[Adam Curry]

I'll have to see.

[Unknown]

He'll fire me the names but I.

[Adam Curry]

Can'T answer that because I haven't seen the names.

[Unknown]

Do you see this increasing trust in vaccines?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't see how it possibly could could trust.

[Unknown]

And the nation's health experts say potentially at risk.

[John C. Dvorak]

At risk. Trust is at risk. I think that went out the window a long time ago. Now we go to CBS. Dr. Celine Gounder who I believe still lost her husband due to a sudden stroke on a on a soccer field somewhere mysteriously shot. Mysteriously. Now listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

Can you explain to our office audience what the CDC's vaccine advisory committee does.

[John C. Dvorak]

And why these dismissals are raising alarms.

[Unknown]

So our vaccines have to go through multiple hoops before you get you receive.

[John C. Dvorak]

These you got to go hoops not tests. We don't do tests. We just go through hoops and loopholes and back doors.

[Adam Curry]

Well we played a clip recently about the discussion of getting rid of they got rid of two vaccine people off one of these advisory committees committees and just pass the COVID thing because they were skeptical about COVID boosters and out they went.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well hoops.

[Unknown]

So our vaccines have to go through multiple hoops before you receive these. So first you have the FDA that approves them. They vet for safety and effectiveness. Then the acip which is this external committee advising the CDC will help determine how these vaccines should be used. So what age group, what high risk groups and this is something that's been happening happening for decades now. It's not partisan, it's not political and frankly it's a pretty boring scientific process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well let's listen to what the issue is then. Dr. Celine Gounder Kennedy wrote in an.

[Unknown]

Op ed that this is really about restoring the public trust and rooting out conflicts of interest. He specifically said that most of the ACIP members have received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies. Does he have a point about conflicts of interest here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a conflict, conflicts of interest. What do you think the doctor will say about this? He's going to say no, it's even better than that.

[Unknown]

What he is citing is an Office of the Inspector General report that found 97% of the conflict of interest forms had errors. But these were errors of putting the wrong date. I mean imagine on your IRS returns you might have the wrong date on something that's very different from having a true conflict of interest. And these advisory members can cannot serve on this committee if they own stock in a pharmaceutical company. If they're on a pharmaceutical company associated advisory board of some kind. Now Kennedy on the other hand is conflicted. Anybody who stands to gain or lose from the outcome of the vaccine decision and he has sued multiple vaccine manufacturers. He has stood to gain or lose from the outcome of these decisions that is by definition conflicted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so I don't want to get into the definition of conflicted because I could look into Dr. Celine Gounders conflicts of interest as a TV doctor. But I do have this thing called the Internet and I did pull up this report from 2009 which she discredits and says hey man, it's just like you got the date wrong on your tax return. Which by the way you can get in a lot of hassle for putting the wrong date or oops, I missed a digit. And so I have the findings. I'm looking at the paper that she just said. Oh now it was 97% but I missed a little thing. Thing findings for almost all special government employees. This is the AIPC. CDC did not ensure that financial disclosure forms were complete. CDC certified OGE forms 450 with at least one omission for 97% of the SGES. Most of the forms had more than one type of omission. Omission is not the same thing as oops, I got the date wrong. 2 CDC did not identify or resolve potential conflicts of interest for 64% of these employees. 64% had potential conflicts of interest that CDC did not identify and or resolve before IT certified their OGE forms.450. Specifically, 58% of the SGES had potential conflicts of interest that CDC did not identify. In addition, 32% of them had potential conflicts of interest that CDC identified but did not resolve. 26% of them had both CDC unidentified and unresolved potential conflicts of interest. It's just a date they did wrong. That's all that it is. 3. CDC did not ensure that 41% of these employees received ethics training training in 2007. CDC did not ensure that 41 percent had ethics training certificates on file to document they received initial or annual ethics training within the required timeframes. And the final point, 15% of them did not comply with the ethics requirement during committee meetings. Specifically, 13% of them participated in committee meetings without having current certified OGE forms on form file. In addition, 3% voted on particular matters when their waivers prohibited such participation. 4. Both participated in committee meetings without current certified forms on file and voted on particular matters when their waivers prohibited such participation. Bull crap. Dr. Celine Gounder. We have the Internet and we stand strong. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So just more lies.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. But that is. That to me is a big lie. I mean, she. I just got to hear that again.

[Adam Curry]

She's obviously conflicted.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just want to hear one more time what she said.

[Unknown]

Kennedy wrote in an op ed that this is really about restoring that most of the ACIP members have received substantial funding from pharmaceutical companies. Does he have a point about conflicts of interest here? What he is citing is. Is an office of the Inspector General report that found 97% of the conflict of interest forms had errors. But these were errors of like putting the wrong date. I mean, imagine on your IRS returns, you might have the wrong date on something that's very different from having a true conflict of interest or omitting things.

[John C. Dvorak]

On my tax return. If I omit things on my tax reform return, I am actually committing. I don't know if it's a felony, if it's a civil offense. Offense. But I'm going to get in trouble if they find out.

[Adam Curry]

So no, these guys all got in trouble and they all got released. They got released, Put a new group in. So what? Why is. What's wrong with the new group? Well, something can complain about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, according to the Wall Street Journal, RFK Jr. Names eight vaccine panel replacements, including Covid shot skeptics. You don't want a skeptic. You don't want a skeptic on your panel.

[Unknown]

Panel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see who we have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, heaven forbid you have somebody that's that is open never. I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got Dr. Robert Malone. Wait, who's the first guy here?

[Adam Curry]

They put Malone on there. That's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no. So he has nothing but time. Vicki Pebsworth, a nurse with a public health doctorate who's a board member of the National Vaccine Information center, which is a pro vaccine group. Group. I will say we talked about them during COVID They come across as anti. But I think they're pro.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Robert Malone, who of course worked on research into several MRNA COVID 19 vaccines, has patents. Retsef Levi, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Management professor. And he called for the COVID 19 vaccines to be withdrawn from the market in a 2023 video. Video. Dr. Martin Koldorff, former professor of medicine at Harvard University, who became known during the pandemic as a critic of COVID 19 mitigation measures such as lockdowns. We can't have that guy on the panel. Cody Meisner, pediatrician, infectious disease specialist, respected by other vaccine experts. So, you know, it's like Kennedy's doing exactly what he said he needs to restore trust with the other half of the. With actually the other 70% of the country, really. 40% who went no, and then there's the 30% that went no, but okay, I'll go along to get along. So he's doing exactly what he promised. This is very good. This is what you want. He's not getting rid of vaccines. If you want them, go get them. If you want him, of course, kids won't go to school. School, same thing here in Fredericksburg. You want your kids to go to St. Mary's got to have your vaccines. Well, what if I don't want to give my kids vaccines? Sorry, you can't go to St. Mary's but you know, the vaccines might have pieces of embryo in there. Yeah, that may be, but Jesus says you can't come to school. So this is. This is.

[Adam Curry]

So Rogan had this woman on this doctor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which one was. Sorry, which one?

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking for the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the older lady.

[Adam Curry]

No, she's not older. She's kind of middle aged. Mary Bowden?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Mary Bowden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

She's not. I wouldn't call her older.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's like my age.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe whatever. He liked her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I. The clip I. I should have gotten. I would have got. Gotten. I could have gotten a. But I didn't get is where she talks about how the vaccine was, you know, foisted upon the public in a Certain kind of way. I'll get that clip, maybe play it on Sunday. But. But this clip I thought was interesting. This is part of those. The whole time during the COVID You know, I think Kennedy, would they. You know, this COVID 19 vaccine should be taken off the market.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It should have been taken off the market early on, and they just can't get it rid of it. And so Kennedy. I think one of the things he's trying to do is find enough guys, you know, to get this thing taken off the market. But it's going to be hard to do. And then when you hear stories like this, this disgusting story, which was in. In this. And I would recommend. I. I don't listen to all of Rogan's stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't even. You don't even watch it when I'm on. It's true. Admit it. It's true.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. I know what you're. I know you. I don't need to watch you. Oh, there's Adam. Let me see what he has to say. I know what you have to say. Doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Like watching paint dry. I know. I'm. I'm sorry to bore you.

[Adam Curry]

It's like watching paint dry. It's exactly right. So. But I would recommend this. People listen to this thing. Whole cloth, beginning to end. It's really good. But just listen to this.

[Unknown]

There's actually a lawsuit today that's first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols where they had a young woman with down syndrome. They basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order, even though she didn't have one. And the father has just been wonderful. It's a Shara family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why did they do that? They euthanized her.

[Unknown]

For what I've seen, as I have reviewed records from these hospital patients. And they'll euthanize them.

[John C. Dvorak]

They need the bed.

[Unknown]

They say, well, they're going to die anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was this person in the hospital for? Covid.

[Unknown]

COVID Protocol. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they. Wait, wait, wait. So they were in the hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them?

[Unknown]

Yeah, that happened all. I'm sorry, but he. I mean, that happened. People. They give him morphine and insulin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. That's common.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah. I've reviewed charts. In this situation, they gave her a dnr, which is do not resuscitate, meaning if they look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that was not the case. So they're suing for battery, which is one way of getting around the prep act, because the prep act is very hard to penetrate. The prep act protects everybody, all the doctors, all the hospitals from any wrongdoing during COVID So it's been this big challenge trying to get around the prep act. And this case has hope of getting around the prep act because they're charging for battery and they're. They're in trial. It started today in Wisconsin. So that. That gives me hope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Wow, indeed. And of course, then you hear. And just around the same time, Rogan's interviewing her and, you know, he's a gas like everybody else. And she's going, she's a very famous doctor in Houston.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've seen some of her stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. We hear this from. This is a Cuomo on one of the podcasts with some other guy. And, and he says this crazy thing. My big prediction is that Rogan's success is admirable. I do not believe he'll be where he was three months ago, a year from today.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are too many talented people entering.

[Adam Curry]

That space now who want his real estate, and they're going to be better at what he does than he is.

[Unknown]

So I think that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, you know, I gotta be honest.

[Adam Curry]

He's gonna see attrition.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not. That's not the first some time someone said that about Joe.

[Adam Curry]

He does surpass expectations, like people wrote.

[John C. Dvorak]

His obituary many, many times, and it's just never come true. I'll listen.

[Adam Curry]

I don't necessarily it to come true because I don't. I don't find him offensive or anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop. To me. I'm sorry, did you say stop?

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't say anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'll listen. I don't necessarily want it to come.

[Adam Curry]

True because I don't. I don't find him offensive or anything. I see him as innocuous.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's getting criticism. He never got criticism before.

[Adam Curry]

The media is taking him seriously now, and that's not going to go well for him.

[John C. Dvorak]

The media is going to take him down, man. Because, you know, it's just a podcast. What a dope.

[Adam Curry]

I was. I was flabbergasted by this attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's dopey. It's dopey. You know, if anything, I think Fredo believes that he's the one that's going to dethrone him from the. From the. He's going to get rid of Rogan. I'm better than Joe. Yeah. It's like, no, what a.

[Adam Curry]

What an idiot.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I received at least 20 BOTG reports. You know what that stands for, right? BOTG.

[Adam Curry]

Gee, let me think. Bitches on the. On the. On the gag.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's boobs on the ground.

[Adam Curry]

Boobs on the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, normally boots on the ground. Now it's boobs on the ground. About our discussion of breastfeeding versus Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I got a bunch of them, too. Lots of lactating mothers wrote us. And Mimi even said to me, how come you guys didn't bring up the fact that breast milk is a super. Is like a superfood that we should have mentioned and that kids. Babies don't get sick when they're breastfeeding. It's almost impossible. They don't get colds, they don't get anything, and they definitely don't need a vaccine through the mom. And it was just like, yes, this was the theme. I noticed a lot of this, and I responded to a couple. I should have responded to more of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them, but it got so bad, I had to come up with a form response that said, thank you very much for your contribution. I got tired of typing it, but I read all of them. And I first wanted to say the most important thing that we have that we just don't know. Breastfeeding is hard work. It is not. We just think, like, just put the baby up there. It sucks. You're good to go. No.

[Adam Curry]

And you had. There's moments, like, women like to. They complain. Women like to complain. I'm sorry, because I'm not gonna get some notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should.

[Adam Curry]

But they'll complain that certain. Like a baby hits a. You know, some. They can be like, in. If they're in breastfeeding mode and they're out and about and some baby down this hallway and they're start leaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

They start leaking.

[Adam Curry]

It drops their milk into. And there's nothing they can do about it. And they start making a. Oh, God, what a horrible. And they. They can complain bitterly about this. And I. I'd say still. Yeah. It's like if you were. All of a sudden something happened, you just automatically peed in your pants. I had a guy I worked with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, stop. Don't get off the topic. Keep that story in your pants for one minute. I brought the topic up. You've already just went off for like 10 minutes about your experience.

[Adam Curry]

It was 30 seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what she said. Now, look, listen. Breastfeeding is hard work. There's a lot that goes into it that we don't. I mean, even though I've seen it, I've witnessed it. You don't think about these things. And so my summary and I put a couple of them in the show notes and the one I was really interested in, because this is what I asked is like what happened before formula? What did we do in the 1800s? So I'll just read that and then I'll surmise all the other emails pre Victorian. And if a baby could not breastfeed by their mother, as in their mother died in childbirth, other arrangements like wet nurses would be made. If a wet nurse was not available, substitute like cow's milk were used. However, infant mortality was extremely likely as breast milk provides key nutrients and antibodies that help build build a baby's immune system.

[Adam Curry]

And apparently goat milk was also popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the Victorian era. People let the germ theory of disease get into their heads. So they thought that if a scientist in a sterile lab could replicate something from the germ filled real world, the lab version was obviously better. That's when and why baby formula was invented. Despite male doctors telling women to use formula, most still breastfed because why pay for something we can get for free in the 20th century? Formula only became popular during World War II as working mothers became a thing. Generations of women have now been told to prioritize careers over children and have been brainwashed into thinking of baby formula like feeding your kids dino nuggets instead of grilling chicken. It's not the best, but it's a convenience you can still feel good about. With more and more research showing the nutritional difference between formula and breast milk, this narrative is finally crumbling. And all formula companies can do now is make new formulas and go on trying to pretend it's just as good as breast milk. And my takeaway from the women who emailed me, which is a lot, a lot of them breastfeeding as we speak. In fact, they're hearing me right now. They got one on each boob. Some of them emailed me this, that the psyop from the baby formula companies was so strong, the marketing was so strong that it really turned belief into, hey, we make something better than what you can produce. And I completely believe that along with some stigma, certainly in America, the stigma of she's whipping out her boob and giving the baby breast milk right here in public. Oh no, that's no good. And so I too am happy that this narrative is changing. And thank you, Bobby the O.P. kennedy. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. And getting people to think for a second doesn't make it any easier. There's not facilities everywhere. Pumping is a pain in the butt. There's all kinds. You know, women have to work these days. You got to have two incomes just to survive. Survive. It's not easy. Men step it up. Do everything you can to help your wife, your woman, whatever it is, because it's better for your baby. I can say that without being a doctor. It just makes sense. But thank you, women, for a. Showing us that you still listen and that you really listen, really appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

Surprisingly, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was like, wow, we got chicks listening, man. This is good news. There's still here. And thank you for being so open about all of the issues and what you think and. And thank you for opening my eyes, because, I mean, good. Tina and I, by the way, Tina's like, you guys suck. You guys don't know nothing. That's why she was blowing up my phone. All the girls, all the lunch ladies, like, what are Adam and John talking about? What did they. What do they know about this?

[Adam Curry]

I agree with that. Yeah, I agree about it. We don't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So thank you.

[Adam Curry]

But we do know. I. We do know more than we expressed in the last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

And we did not bring up the fact that it's a healthier alternative to getting vaccinated as a pregnant person. Person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pregnant person. But it's good. And I'm happy that women of no agenda gitmonation, that they are turning to this form of feeding their infant. They realize it's better. Many are taking pay cuts. Husbands are working harder so they can be at home breastfeeding, feed homeschool. Oh, no trad wife. Yeah. So this is, in general, I think. I think a very, very good development, and I'm proud of y' all, and y' all deserve a medal for what you have to go through, because it is not just a matter of, oh, baby hungry, let's go. That's kind of what we as guys think. You don't think about it like this. It's not that easy. Anyway, thank you. I really appreciate it. I got an education, and one of these days, hopefully, one of our daughters will have a kid. I'm starting to wonder about that. They're all getting old. Hurry up, all my friends. Oh, I became a granddad. Oh, yeah. I'm ready for it. I'm ready to show a kid how to drive a truck, drink beer, and shoot.

[Adam Curry]

So while on the topic of women in breastfeeding, let's talk about the Tonys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, was that Sunday? I completely missed it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it was Sunday. And I was always of the opinion that the Tonys couldn't get more gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's kind of every year I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Every year I'm wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Did Clooney win for anything after he did that?

[Adam Curry]

No, they were shut out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh man. Because he could, you know what he did? He broke ranks. He's like theater is for the Broadway. It is not for CNN television. Who do you think you are, Clooney? Back to your film.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he did them a favor. He did Tony Awards a favor by being on 60 Minutes as the lead in the Tonys. Talking about the Tonys. No corruption there there on cbs. Well this was on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, come on, what you do?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just thinking it's corrupt. I don't care. So there was a lot of non binaries. This guy Jack Malone won for best actor but he's, he's a non binary dude in a dream dress and he came out there with his dress on and he's just, it's just a kind of a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now what was the, what was the play he, he starred in?

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't Mary.

[John C. Dvorak]

And does Mary call for a man dressed as a woman or for a woman?

[Adam Curry]

It calls for. He's playing Mary Lincoln and it calls for a woman. And he's a man dressed as a woman playing a woman. But he's a guy. And I give Tony's credit for not nominating for best Female Actress.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well next year, there's always next year. We'll get there.

[Adam Curry]

But they're gone in this non binary thing. In fact the best guy, this one guy comes out, he wins the award for. I forgot what he. Some. Oh, a singer I think. And he comes out, he's, he's not dressed as a woman but he's got all his makeup on. He's got eyeshadow and lipstick. And he comes out and he had, he ends. This guy Michael. Oh Garden. He has this little, little ditty at the end as he goes through this long tirade about, you know, non binaryism. And he makes the following comment here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep telling stories that probe for deeper.

[Unknown]

Truths that inspire hope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the darker it gets, the more we need your light. As Daddy Sondheim said, give us more to see. And if there are any queer people watching tonight, Happy Pride. Yay. The crowd goes wild. You're so brave. I'm so brave. You should have said happy World Pride. I'm disappointed.

[Adam Curry]

Play this clip here, Tony. Now this guy, Happy Pride. He said, any queer people listening? Got a big laugh. Hahaha. I figured. Everybody, everybody try Tony's. Oh They. I should mention this, this is kind of a little bit off topic, but the. Every ad during the Tonys was aimed at the audience and it was AIDS drugs and drugs and other kinds of drugs and Ozempic and Ozempic and Ozempic and drugs and drugs and drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

So a pretty. A pretty typical CBS lineup of ads is what you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was a little more than usual, I thought, but I had to play this. I did collect the side effects for Rick Zolti. It's worth listening to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. She recommended do we know what Rick Salti does?

[Adam Curry]

I forgot already.

[Unknown]

She recommended adding Rexulti.

[Adam Curry]

When taken with an antidepressant, Rexulti was proven to significantly reduce depression symptoms more than an antidepressant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's a. It's like a hamburger helper for.

[Adam Curry]

Right, It's a hamburger helper for antidepressants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is your. Is your antidepressant not working? Try Rigs Alti. Yeah, all right.

[Unknown]

She recommended adding Rexulti.

[Adam Curry]

When taken with an antidepressant, Rexulti was proven to significantly reduce depression symptoms more than an antidepressant alone. So with my antidepressant, Rexulti could provide a boost. Elderly people with dementia related psychosis have increased risk of death, death or stroke. Antidepressants may increase suicidal thoughts and actions and worsen depression in children and young adults. Call your healthcare provider right away to report new or sudden changes in mood, behavior, thoughts or feelings. Or if you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, report fever, stiff muscles and confusion which can be life threatening or uncontrolled muscle movements which may be permanent. High blood sugar can lead to coma or death. Weight gain, increased cholesterol, unusual urges, dizziness on standing falls, seizures, trouble swallowing or sleepiness may occur. Could adding Rick Salty be right for you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds. Sounds right for me. May result in rig Salty in death. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. Wow. Yes. I love how it could make you more depressed, but it's supposed to make me less depressed. It could make you more depressed, could make. Could give you suicidal thoughts, but it's supposed to make me less suppressed. Yeah, but you might want to kill yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, I take it back. It was Cole Escola who was the dude in Address, Jack Malone, who won for one of the actors. He had. I have a couple of clips from him. It should only be one. I think I double clipped. Play the long one. This is. I thought this was the. The clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you so much to my family.

[Unknown]

Watching in England and thank you to my little family.

[John C. Dvorak]

My Beautiful partner, Jasmine, and my little dog, Dracula, who came out here to have this adventure with me.

[Unknown]

You are my whole heart and I'd be lost without you.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm grateful every day.

[Unknown]

The last thing I wanted to say is this. Eight times a week I walk out on that stage and tell the audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

That I'm a woman.

[Unknown]

I'm not one. And I only convey it through simple adjustments to posture, voice and energy. But night after night, audiences believe in Hester. They weep for her, they invest in her, they love her for her old romantic heart.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you watched our show and.

[Unknown]

Found yourself believing in Hester, well, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am so glad to tell you.

[Unknown]

That intentionally or otherwise, you might have just bid farewell to cynicism, outdated ideas to that rotten old binary, and opened yourself up to a world that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Already out there in glorious technicolor and isn't going away anytime soon.

[Unknown]

Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

The rotten old binary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that what he said? Rotten old binary?

[Adam Curry]

That's what he says. He says you can kiss goodbye the rotten old binary. Because he plays, you know, he's a guy playing. Well, he's the guy that had all the makeup on that. I'm sorry, well, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are confusing me with this report. Who is who now? This. The dude in the dress or not?

[Adam Curry]

No, the dude in the dress is this Cola Scola guy who is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's play him then.

[Adam Curry]

But yeah, this is just his intro because he just. He doesn't really have anything funny to say. Just kind of a hysterical gay guy, basically. So. But this intro to him was. Was interesting because they required that they say they. He's a they them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Unknown]

And the American theater Wings Tony Award goes to.

[John C. Dvorak]

She already messed it up. The announcer got messed up.

[Unknown]

And the American theater Wings.

[John C. Dvorak]

They. She's so worried about saying they.

[Adam Curry]

Right? She was cute. She was told you better say they because he's a they them.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she. And she.

[Adam Curry]

And so she.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. The American theater. It's now theater. Have you been to the theater yet?

[Unknown]

And the American theater Wings Tony Award goes to.

[Adam Curry]

Cola Scholar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Earns the Tony Award for their reimagining Mary Todd Lincoln as a wannabe cabaret star. There. Okay, yeah, there I thought that was. And did now did. As you as a lover of the sea of the theater, were you angered? Were you angered by this?

[Adam Curry]

No, I wasn't. I thought they were overdoing the non binary stuff. They made a big point that everyone's now in the theater. You're not gay anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're it's World Pride, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there was a couple Pride mentions there. You heard that one. But the. This, the end of the horrible binary thing and this guy going on, it's not going away anytime soon. It's just like. It's like a. What was annoying to me was they play all these, you know, sections of different plays and musicals. There was nothing. This last season was bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you like theater? You like theater?

[Adam Curry]

I like the theater.

[John C. Dvorak]

The theater. The theater. Now, from now on, we call it the theater.

[Adam Curry]

It's a. It's, you know, it's a primary form of entertainment that is elitist, I think culturally important, but not if it's just going to be a brainwashing festival. Yeah, well, it sucks. I wouldn't. I mean, I have, you know, if I always preferred the London, the East End stuff to the Broadway anyway. Just better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I would like to point out the art of the deal at perfect work, completely done as expected. Beautiful. Good for our country. And that is the NATO increase in payments. And so I will recant very quickly what the idea.

[Adam Curry]

That means you're gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm rap.

[Adam Curry]

Recant. Yeah. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm going to. Okay. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Elucidates.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Language police. Correct me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'm going to. Believe me. I'm on you now. I'm going to elucidate. Gold star. I'm going to elucidate what the idea was. The NATO member states, which is code for countries, were originally supposed to pay 2% of their national. Is it their GDP? So all their money, 2%. 2% of all their money.

[Adam Curry]

Biggest sell is all they make.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're supposed to give us basically 2% of all their money for our war stuff. I'm just going to break it down to what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we've kind of forgotten it, but President Trump kept saying, hey, this has got to be 3 1/2 percent. This has got to be 3 1/2 percent. Everybody's like, no, I'm going to do that. So then he came out and went, uh, I'm sorry, I've changed that to 5%. We need 5%. And then he deployed his. His heat seeking missile white lines. Rutte. And Rutte did a great job because he closed the deal at 5%, but it's really 3.5% money that goes to us, which is what we wanted in the first place. And when I say we, it's what President Trump wanted to come into our coffers for us to give them. Boom. Booms, Pew, boats, pews. And then Rutte worked a deal. He did a good job for the nut job that he is. Did a good job. And he said, well, the one and a half percent, it will be 5%, but one and a half percent will have to be on other things for like hybrid warfare and infrastructure, which of course everybody knows no country's gonna spend that money at all. So President Trump got exactly what he wanted. 3.5% from all the member states.

[Unknown]

NATO Secretary General Mark Ruth said on that. Most allies endorse President Donald Trump's demand.

[John C. Dvorak]

To spend 5% of GDP on defense.

[Unknown]

After a defense minister's meeting in Brussels. Ruth has cited broad support and expects a deal at NATO summit in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hague later this month.

[Unknown]

The new target includes 3.5% on core military spending, plus 1.5% on infrastructure for rapid deployment. This is a significant increase on the current 2% goal, which about a third.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of members have yet to to reach.

[Unknown]

Despite spending hikes since 2022.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course you need to core defence spending, but let's be honest with each other. If a tank is not able to cross a bridge, if our societies are not prepared in case war breaks out for a whole of society approach, if you're not able to really develop the defense industrial base, then the 3.55% is great, but then you cannot really defend yourselves.

[Unknown]

Trump has pushed allies to spend more so the US can focus elsewhere, questioning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Defense guarantees for those who spend too little.

[Unknown]

U.S. defense Secretary Pete Hexseth claimed in Brussels that Trump revived the alliance and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That European allies were grateful.

[Unknown]

He also hinted at the review of the 84,000 US troops currently based in Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

At their meeting, Mr.

[Unknown]

Ministers also approved new purchasing targets for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weapons and equipment, part of major 2023.

[Unknown]

Plan to defend alliance territory.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how you do the deal. He wanted 3.5%. He said, you got to pay me 5. And then Rutte came in and went, oh, well, you know what? Hey, guys, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to say it's going to be five, but we'll do one and a half and we'll talk some bridges crap. You'll never have to spend that. Or just the stuff you're already spending on fixing potholes. You just put that into the 1.5 and all I have to pay is 3.5%. Everyone. Everyone's happy. It's beautiful. I think it goes unnoticed how well executed that plan was.

[Adam Curry]

It's gone totally unnoticed. Yeah, no, you're the only One.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's because of my boy Rutte. I love him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you love Ruta. You like doing his voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's be honest. Let's be honest. With three and a half percent, you're not going to be able to defend against Russia. You, you need to have bridges that will hold the tanks, you know? Yes. If you want to mobilize and keep yourself safe, you need that one and a half percent. So President Trump and I will make a big splash in the Hague at NATO. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming. And by the way, who wants to go to the sauna later with me? I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

You're excited. You definitely don't want to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And. But we still have to throw some fear in there. I think this was just before the meeting adjourned and we rolled out the actor Volodymyr Zelensky and a couple of other actors to say, hey, man, Russia's not just coming for us, they're coming for everybody.

[Unknown]

Peace in the region and hybrid warfare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were the main topics of the Odessa summit, which was attended by Ukraine, Romania, the Republic of Moldova, Serbia, Albania, Greece, Montenegro, Croatia and Slovenia.

[Adam Curry]

Russian war plans point to this region, Odessa, and then toward the borders with Moldova and Romania. And of course, we need protection now.

[John C. Dvorak]

But even more, we need long term.

[Adam Curry]

Guarantees that these can never happen again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Romanian President Nikos Ordinary Sudan accused Russia.

[Unknown]

Of undermining peace efforts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Moldova's President Maya Sandu has warned of the dangers of hybrid warfare aimed at influencing the country's parliamentary elections scheduled for this fall.

[Adam Curry]

We do learn every day by new.

[Unknown]

Attempts and new ways through which Russia tries to interfere with our internal processes, political processes, democratic processes. It is going to be tough, but we do want more Moldovans to decide for Moldova at the parliamentary elections, not Kremlin.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Black Sea port city of Odessa was shelled by Russian forces in the run up to the summit. Yeah, just make every. Oh, oh, Russia's meddling in our elections. Just like Romania. Can't have that YouTube guy winning. He was the Russian candidate. It's all so corrupt. So, so corrupt, man. And then sad news today. If you heard the rock and roll pre show with Derek.

[Unknown]

Brian Wilson, a co founding member of the Beach Boys, has died. Wilson's family announced his passing on his official website today. A cause of death was not released. Wilson and his cousin Mike Love wrote the song Surfin in 1961, setting up the formation of the band known for its iconic surf song, surf sound. In 2023, Rolling Stone magazine named Wilson one of the 200 greatest singers of all time. He was 82 years old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible obituary.

[Adam Curry]

Horrible singer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Singer.

[Adam Curry]

How about, he's one of the worst singers in the band.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was a great songwriter.

[Adam Curry]

He was a terrific. He was not only. He was so prolific. He wrote all the Beach Boys material with it. He had a partner, a couple of different writers who he would partner with, but he also did all the Jan and Dean material. And then there was two or three other little spin off groups that you, you know, the guy can't even remember the name of them anymore, but he wrote all their material. Jan and the guy was like a maniac for writing songs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they were all hits. He was interviewed recently or before he died, and somebody asked him if, you know, do you think, you know, this was going to be a hit or not?

[John C. Dvorak]

He'd say, yeah, it was like, oh, he's best known for surfing, usa. Let's go surfing. How about. How about God Only Knows? How about Pet Sounds? Pet Sounds, not my favorite. But man, you talk of people who love songs and songwriting. Pet Sounds.

[Unknown]

No.

[Adam Curry]

The Beatles say it was their inspiration for Dr. Pepper.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Or Dr. Whatever. Dr. Pepper.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Jonas Paulus. Ringo. We're here to do Dr. Pepper. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Pepper.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was Dr. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

[Adam Curry]

And I guess the Rolling Stones are big fans of Pet Sounds too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but. Oh, no. Hey, if I die, just don't let anybody say anything. He was best known for his hair.

[Adam Curry]

He was best known for his hair.

[John C. Dvorak]

Curry was iconic for his hair. Thank you very much. That's it. That's it. Dude, that is so lame.

[Adam Curry]

You know, there's another thing. I'm watching Netflix and I don't watch that much tv, but I watch certain things. I like some of the documentaries. And so there's a new documentary on Led Zeppelin. Oh, one of my. One of the. I've. I've seen a lot of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've seen them. You've seen them live. You've done.

[Adam Curry]

I think I saw that. I saw them on their first appearance in the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't you do heroin with Keith Moon at a certain point?

[Adam Curry]

I never did hero with anybody, okay? And so when I saw him, I said, holy crap, these guys are unbelievable. It was the best band I've heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

John C. Dvorak, he picks the hit.

[Adam Curry]

And meanwhile in the documentary, they point out that their first tour of the United States, the Rolling Stone magazine panned them. They're no good. The songs are stupid. It was, I think I didn't know that. And it was pretty funny, but. So they do a whole documentary on Led Zeppelin and not one mention, not one bar is played, not one reference is made to my absolute favorite song from Led Zeppelin of all time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, I love. Let me guess, your favorite Led Zeppelin song of all time. Wow. What could this be?

[Adam Curry]

Stairway to Heaven.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, they didn't reference Stairway to Heaven at all. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And it's like this song I like. You know what? This is one of the songs that if I go into it, if there's a. A piano bar or somebody playing guitar or something, I'll always go up to him and tip them and have them play Stairway to Heaven.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boomer, fade the bar.

[Adam Curry]

Or the. Or the. And it brings the house down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it does.

[Adam Curry]

And everybody. Every musician that plays in bars seems to know the song.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. Go into any guitar shop. Every guitar shop, there's a guy playing Stairway to Heaven on the electric guitar in the guitar room. It's like this. Like it's a standard stair. No Stairway. That is crazy.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I remember giving the one. It was a piano guy, and I said, you. Can you. I said, I gave him five. I think, can you play Stairway to Heaven? And his response was, hell, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, their guitar shops, I think they actually have signs that say, no Stairway to Heaven. Please stop playing that song. We've heard it so many times. Yeah, I forgot to mention the. I think this is. The Minister of Defense in the Netherlands sent a note to the. To the parliament. And I'm. I'm translating on the fly here because I have the notes PDF so it looks legit. We have. We have seen that President Trump has fired trans military members, members from the service in America. And as you know, we're having a hard time recruiting people in the Netherlands, and we need more for our NATO membership. We would like to ask the government if they could explore options for us to take these trans American military members and work for us.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

You heard me, right.

[Adam Curry]

This is a joke, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's not a joke. Nope.

[Adam Curry]

They could go to Holland and learn Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's crazy. Anyway, that is. Hey, good story about Led. Zip. Good story. It's a good story. Hey, since we're closing in on time here, I'm just. I keep looking at. Because, you know, AI, I love stories about AI. And I see you've got a series on Hollywood versus AI, and I'm kind of chomping at the bit to hear what this is.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, we can run through it. It's a little. The problem is it has a dull quality to it, but it's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dull? How could this be dull? It's great news.

[Adam Curry]

It's about a lawsuit taking place and it starts with the Hollywood versus AI. This is a BBC. This is from BBC World Service. And when they get into. Into stuff, I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it gets boring. Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

It's because the Brits are boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right.

[Adam Curry]

But. But at least we'll learn. You'll learn something. And this is kind of interesting and I. I may skip a bunch of them and just play the. The kicker at the end because the end part was kind of interesting. But let's start with clip 01.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Been using AI at any stage during it to help them. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this how it starts?

[Adam Curry]

Is this Hollywood versus AI BBC? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to clip off the beginning of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Hello, it's the BBC. We're going to talk about AI versus Hollywood.

[Adam Curry]

Been using AI at any stage during it to help them. Right. But we are not going to talk about AI once again because it's an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Issue that's proving to be quite a challenge for some of the world's largest entertainment companies.

[Adam Curry]

We're talking, of course, about copyright when it comes to AI. And two of Hollywood's largest studios have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Taken legal action on.

[Adam Curry]

On this issue for the very first time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's our tech correspondent, Lily Gamali, who's in San Francisco.

[Adam Curry]

These are the first Hollywood players to.

[Unknown]

Take on this issue of copyright having to do with AI. We've seen other companies in the publishing space, like the New York Times, do this. Some authors have sued and the like, but these are the biggest players in Hollywood. And you know, this AI issue has festered for really a couple of years now.

[Adam Curry]

Now at times it's placed the studios at odds with their writers. Now we see the writers actually on.

[Unknown]

Side with the studios who are saying that this company, Midjourney, has stolen their characters. They're alleging copyright infringement of characters, some.

[Adam Curry]

Of which were developed a century or more ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we are talking about Disney and.

[Adam Curry]

Universal who have bought this case against.

[John C. Dvorak]

Midjourney, who haven't commented as yet. Let's bring in Rebecca Tushnut who's a law professor at Harvard specializing in copyright.

[Adam Curry]

Which I presume is. Rebecca is a pretty busy place to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be at the moment. So mid journey, they're talking about imagery, Right. So they're talking about visual copyright, not about words. Am I correct in that assumption?

[Adam Curry]

Dude, they're actually talking about Everything. But when they talk about characters that were developed 100 years ago. No, but the idiot from the BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn'T that public domain?

[Adam Curry]

That should have been public domain at least 25 years ago, based on the newest copyright laws. So. So what are we talking about here that you're worried about characters developed 100 years ago being, you know, lifted by AI? So I found that to be. Oh, this is not good. All right, I was onward with the second part here.

[John C. Dvorak]

One thing that struck us was this. These are the first big Hollywood studios to be bringing a case like this. Why is it taken them so long? We've seen the music industry probably move a little bit quicker on these issues.

[Unknown]

So, you know, it's hard to say from the outside, but I think clearly there's a question of are they going to cut licensing deals? And the lawsuit suggests that they're seeking greater leverage in licensing deals. You know, they want to be the ones who pick the winners in AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which is not easy, I suppose, to decide, Rebecca, when we have some.

[Adam Curry]

A new concept come in. Copyright is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is an old concept, isn't it? But AI now adds a complicating factor to it. So do the existing laws work or.

[Adam Curry]

Do we need new laws put in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Place to tackle a new issue?

[Unknown]

So to me, this isn't really a new issue, although you can easily come to different resolutions on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, the core questions are.

[Unknown]

Are, is it fair use to train.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI using existing images or video? No.

[Unknown]

And then what do we do about the outputs? And so there are actually strong principles for both of those things. But that doesn't mean people won't change the law to deal with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it is slightly different when you're influenced by something, isn't it? I suppose to actually using generative AI to. To take thousands and thousands and thousands of things and come out with something. Oh, this is very interesting. I just realized that we're using different words for different concepts and you said no, but training. AI. Training is a nice word, but it's not training, you're. It's copying. It is making a copy. Copy of pixels down to the pixel level. Whatever it does, it is copying that and then pasting it back into a new project based upon whatever you've asked it to do. It is copy training is not. Is training is copying. In this case, it's just calling it someone else. You disagree?

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I'm not going to say one way or the other other, because I don't agree or disagree necessarily. It doesn't involve Some copying, but then. Well, now you make me want to play another one of the clips. Yeah, I'm good. Next clip.

[Unknown]

So it really depends. In fact, that's pretty much how human brains learn, right? You know, when you were learning to read and write, you spent a lot of time copying, copying stuff and even more time, you know, studying stuff. And in fact, that's in your brain. And people are making progress every day on actually detecting things straight from the brain. You can. There was an experiment that reconstructed a Pink Floyd song just by looking at what people's brains were doing when they were listening to it. So, you know, it's not perfect, but the, the point being that, you know, the computer just makes visible how learning worked for people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is really interesting. Stay with us. Let me bring Mike in on this particular issue. I mean, the AI is pushing the boundaries in many different areas.

[Adam Curry]

Copyright is one. Do you see other challenges coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

As well, Mike, away from this? Oh yeah. Ownership rights, even patents, there's a lot of, of areas of intellectual capital that's there and we're going to have to really set down some rules. I mean, yeah, you, you did learn how to read and write that way, but you didn't make any money doing it. Mid Journey has made, has, has millions of subscribers and it made $300 million last year.

[Adam Curry]

Now do they have the right to all that?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the real question. And usually when anybody makes money, if you have some connection to it, you may have right to take some of that money.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well I'm, I'm only not completely buying into that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buying into what?

[Adam Curry]

The idea that, well, yeah, the brain works the same way, but you weren't making money. What if you're a little prodigy and you're playing the Mozart? You know, you're a six year old that can play the piano like a maniac. You paid a fortune to go play Mozart.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, hold on, hold on, hold on. If you play something, there's a version of copyright, which is performing rights, royalties that have to be paid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and they're paid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and exactly. So this is not a foreign concept.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, well, these guys, they've licensed a lot of stuff. Some people do get paid. I mean, I'm not gonna be take just the devil's advocate side on this whole thing because I think it's still a up in the air. And the more interesting clip is the last clip, but I think Clip 4 is still sitting in between this and that. Tell us, tell us a little bit more about midjourney, because It's a company.

[John C. Dvorak]

That some people will know about, a lot of other people won't know much about. What, what sort of things does it do? If you were asked Disney or Universal, they're plagiaris, they're copyright free writers. That was I think the statement made by, by one of the movie studios. They basically create new content, a new AI content and it's quite vivid and quite interesting and that's why it's drawn all these people. They're real curious and they're being entertained by it.

[Adam Curry]

That raises the question, do they have the right to, you know, take characters.

[John C. Dvorak]

From Cars and Toy Story and Shrek and the Avengers and the Minions from Despicable Me? Those are iconic characters. Can they really take them, pump them into their servers and create something new based on that? And you can make a good argument that what's being created isn't sufficiently different, that they can, they can claim that they own it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, let us see how the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cause come up with a. Cathy, we're seeing, you know, there's Elton John was talking about this whole problem.

[Adam Curry]

The very famous musician from, from England. Are you seeing a similar discussion around you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Huge entertainment industries aren't there? The likes of South Korea, China, India. Do you think this is an emerging.

[Adam Curry]

Issue for, for Asia as well?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I think definitely. Especially you know, you mentioned Korean. I can't help but think of for example K pop groups and how their likeness might be used in these kind of AI prompts. There's also kind of the deeper question beyond just copyright, but what about kind of ownership of your own, your own image?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so I do have some outspoken thoughts on this, but I'll wait until the final clip goes. But the, in general, the data that most of these large language models, because that's what it is, have been trained on, is from Kant content that people have already signed their rights away to on the Internet. So the best example is Reddit who are now doing gangbusters in revenue because they're selling all of their users writing into multiple AI companies. Anything you put on X is Grok's property. So that's, that's really been the boondoggle. But it is definitely just copy copying and pasting whenever it recognizes a pattern that is asked for it and it just sends it right back. So I mean, yeah, the Hollywood guys, they probably have a little bit, but it's all 3rd gen from stuff that was put out there on the Internet. So it's going to be tough to prove that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the thing that's interesting is this last clip. And I took about another 10 minutes out. I got sick of this. And so I got near the end here with this last comment where the woman notices there's actually three kind of dimensions to this suit, which involves the input rights to the input output. Whether it is plagiarism or it's something. If it's, you know, it can't really be original, but it looks to be. And then the one. The other kicker, which is the one, one that is really, to me interesting, is the prompt itself, which means that the way the lawsuit's going, the way she sees it, is that the people writing the prompt, Darren, they're the ones violating the copyright. They can be violating the copyright.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, this is great. Put it on the dumb user.

[Unknown]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing that I would keep an.

[Unknown]

Eye on is there's the training part and then there's the output part. And I just do want to emphasize that Disney's theory here is that somebody who says, you know, I want a minion icon for my Blue sky account.

[John C. Dvorak]

To ChatGPT or one of these engines.

[Unknown]

Is infringing copyright, and they want to hold the. The company responsible for that, even though it's the user prompting it. And. But the theory requires that the user is also an infringer. Well, and I think we should worry about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's perfect. That's a. Well, yes, I feel, and I'm in agreement with this, if you say to any large language model AI thing, I want a minion for my. For my blog, and you put a minion up there, yeah, you're violating copyright. That's why we don't choose art that has those types of images in it, because we're not going to put it up there. We know these companies are very litigious and we would, in fact be violating some of their nascent rights and their copyright.

[Adam Curry]

We're very careful about not putting, like, Mickey Mouse image, for example. Even people should be public domain, I might add.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to argue. That is interesting. And I just want to say that I've been the naysayer on artificial intelligence, and Andrew Horowitz sent me Sam Altman's latest blog post, which is basically. Did he send it to you too? No, it's like 8,000 words and it's, oh, the future is going to be great.

[Adam Curry]

And don't worry about it, I write it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course he had AI write it. Of course he did. Then it was just like, oh, this is awesome, and the world's going to change in so many ways, like whatever. I have worked for probably close to six hours a day for the past three months on a software project using multiple versions of AI, then I can inequivocally say there is no intelligence in this. And the intelligence, intelligence. There's a lot of definitions of intelligence, but I think a general term, a general definition is intelligence is the ability to learn from experience and adapt to and shape and select environments. And the reason why I. And actually your own experience, if you, you go to anthropic, which I think you use, and you ask it something because you treat it like an entity, you ask, ask it, but you ask it a different way and it gives you a different answer. That's because there's no intelligence to interpret what you're actually asking for what you want. It is just looking at the pattern of the word you use and it's looking across its vast array of information. It's sucked up and saying, ah. When this pattern emerges, I need to bring this pattern back. And they do that in a human way by saying, here's what I think you wanted, or here's your aunt. They'll talk to you like you're a human being. That's the parlor trick. But when it comes. So that's just English language when it comes to syntax, as in computer code, in this case Python. If I did not prompt this, any, any AI every single time to say, okay, when you make this change in my code, do not change the user agent from Godcaster to Mozilla or PI URL lib, it would, it would do that by itself. And the reason why it would do that is even though I've said it the same conversation, so called workspace, where it's supposed to remember what I said, it doesn't because it just goes, oh, you want this piece of code? You want it to do this? I know where that code is. And here's that code. And it's not intelligent enough to stop doing what I asked it to not do a thousand times. And of course, the minute I start typing into the prompt in all caps, you stupid piece of crap. Crap. That's when I had to step away and say, okay, now I see what's happening. And that. So all of that is fine. And if people want to spend trillions of dollars investing in that, great, that's fantastic. I don't think it's a great. It's like a, like a thesaurus, grammar, spell check, copy paste machine on steroids. It definitely has a place as a tool. It's not intelligence.

[Adam Curry]

The only I find it fascinating that the big griper, complainer, moaner and groaner about AI, you use it more than I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I did this specifically and I stayed at it because I wanted to be able to speak intelligently about what this is and what it isn't. And I finished my project. I'd finished it last Saturday and it was yes and I could have done this with a software engineer who knows what he's doing in one day. It took me three months, a lot of pain but I learned exactly what AI is and what it isn't and there's no intelligence. The danger, the only danger is this artificial intimacy. That's the AI that we have to watch out for and we talked about that on the last show where people are going to chatbots and just like the 900 numbers and in fact this is from the the tech show in London. Here she talks, flirts and even gets.

[Unknown]

Jealous like a real girlfriend. Remember, you're my one and only, okay? Don't even think about chatting up other AIs.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Mio isn't human.

[Unknown]

She's an AI powered virtual companion available 247 through the MyMio app. Users can chat with her anytime, choose her clothes and even adjust her personality. Her creators from the Chinese company Metaloop say Miyo can help tackle the loneliness.

[Adam Curry]

Epidemic when the people feel lonely or.

[Unknown]

People maybe didn't get connected to the society or didn't have the girlfriends or sometimes depressed so maybe they need someone to move her move so then maybe will be go come to the apps and talk to her. The company says mainly provides emotional support. But reactions at London Tech Week were mixed. Well I looked at her and I thought stereotypical men's fantasy are we looking at women being obsolete? Others are concerned about the psychological and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ethical impact of an AI companion get.

[Unknown]

To configure them in a way that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should really attends to all of your needs.

[Unknown]

You don't even know what it is that you need. Humans unfortunately especially insecure humans are sometimes not to be really trusted with with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her AI companions like Mio are particularly.

[Unknown]

Popular in East Asia where Microsoft's Sure Ice leads the market with hundreds of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Millions of users so and it's in a yeah it's young men who are lonely all because of the phones.

[Adam Curry]

It all would have been solved by forced socialization. Grammar school, school I'm with you and sock hops in high school I am completely with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not too late to bring them back. We can do a world tour Adam's Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. Sock hop. We can go out there, we'll play Stairway to Heaven to all these kids and God Only Knows by the Beach Boys. It's going to be fantastic. Now I am genuinely concerned about this intimacy and this loneliness and people are going to. They're already flocking to these things. I mean the, the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think your, your Parallel with the 900 number is apt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, psychics, you know Dionne Warwick, remember she had the psychic hotline. I mean this is for lonely people. And we have only made more lonely people in the world who at this point are all clicking and very frustrated because at this moment both Cloudflare and Google Cloud are down all over the world.

[Adam Curry]

World.

[John C. Dvorak]

The entire service is down every.

[Adam Curry]

I hope people are still listening to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we don't use that kind of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's true. We have our own ind. This by the way is why we have donations. Because we have our own independent server network that is run by our guy. Our guy boyd0.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our guy. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Who's our guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's our guy.

[Adam Curry]

He was a guy who's really good. He.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's one guy. He's doing a pretty good job that one guy.

[Adam Curry]

And we have servers that are located outside the United States and they're not on Google cloud and they're not on the cloud.

[John C. Dvorak]

No but Cloudflare, that's. That's gonna.

[Adam Curry]

That's pretty bad. When Cloudflare gets taken.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of podcasts are on Cloudflare, a lot of them and they're blaming it on a third party service that is key and it is a key.

[Adam Curry]

Dependent one of our microservices problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not so it's a microservices problem with a macro services resulting everybody and with that I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you the man who put the c. And don't copy that floppy. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning. Our ship Sea boost of the graphite in the air Sons of the world of the Dave and nights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

8 in the morning to the trolls in the troll room 1940 that's up.

[Adam Curry]

That's up for some. Oh it's up because of the riots?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's up because of the. The breastfeeding the. All the women came back. We gotta listen. Let's listen what those two boomers have to say.

[Adam Curry]

Let me just bring a few boomers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those two boobers what they have to say yes, indeed. We are here and the trolls are joining us.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I have a clip blitz for the second after the break.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy crap. Let me, Let me get my jingles.

[Adam Curry]

I just thought I'd give you a warning for fair warning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. All right. Okay. I'll be ready for you for the clip, Bloods. All right. Yes, the trolls are in the troll room at Trollroom IO. Again, not a Cloudflare or Google Cloud hosted service, because we know how the Internet works. We didn't get psyopped into using all of that big Silicon Valley tech. Oh, no, we have big Northern Holland tech from Void Zero Dependable. He was actually troubleshooting email with them this morning. But I love that guy. He's like, hey, man, everything's slow. No problem. We'll troubleshoot it right now. I'm prepping for the show. Yeah, but we'll troubleshoot it right now. Okay, good. They are listening at Trollroom IO. They might also. And you should be using a modern podcast app. Now, I can't say that people who are host, who have podcasts hosted on cloud through Cloudflare, that they will get the podcast. But your podcast app will work for sure. Get one of those. We notify you the minute we go live. All the live shows. It's the new trend in podcast podcasting. People doing it live. Because we're all sick and tired. We're sick and tired of all the overproduced wall of sound crap with all the Ms. And ahs taken out. No, you want to hear real voices. Now, we happen to be professional voices, but it doesn't matter. We just want to hear real voices. And when they go live, it's real. You get a notification for that. And when we publish and the guys at Apple are listening, they do hear me. They didn't say they would.

[Adam Curry]

How do you know this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because one of my buddies over there emailed me that I put the wrong size image into the podcast feed. So if you don't have a three, like a 1400 by 1400 image, and.

[Adam Curry]

You'Ve been doing this for so long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's, there's reasons for that happening. It's, it's, it's user error, my fault. But he's actually a listener. He's been a no agenda guy for a long, long time. So he'll see it come through. And if you put the wrong size image in, then they won't display it in their podcast app. Then you know what he does? He lets it go through. Because he's my Boy. So I know. I know that they're hearing it, and I know that the people who work within the podcast division are good people. I just don't think they have the power, you know, they have to. They're sitting there looking like, oh, my God, we got another update from Tim Apple. Liquid Glass is gorgeous. Look at the new icon for the podcast app. It's gorgeous. They're like, can we get Pod Ping in here already? So I feel your pain, everybody. Yes. Whenever we publish within 90 seconds, boom, you get notified and your podcast is there as long as it's not hosted on cloudflare. But of course, podcasting was never meant to be decentralized. Decentralized is decentralized by nature. So we expect a lot more people checking in with us because, like, I can't get my. I can't get Megyn Kelly Tucker. Won't work. I have to go to these two boobs. Who are these boomers? No agenda. Oh, that's actually a pretty good show. That's interesting. So we shall see if. If attendance goes up and if downloads go up. Not that we look at them. As John mentioned, this is value. For value is how we run the show. That's actually Void Zero started that a long time ago with the IRC chat room, now known as the Troll Room. But many people do things for. For us. Just, I mean, things that are invaluable, really. I mean, even building, maintaining website. You know what it costs if you want a website built these days? I mean, Even just a WordPress blog that kind of looks like a website, you're looking at five grand for someone to put that together, and another like $350 a month just to host it and maintain it. So these are very valuable services that people do for us. Now we have three types of value we'd like you to send back for the value we put out there for free for everybody. Use however you want. You listen to it, you download it, you stick it on a USB stick, you give it to your kids, you put it in the. In the lockbox, whatever you do. And you can do that with time, talent, or treasure. We're going to thank people $50 and above, and we'll tell you exactly how they blessed us with their value donation. But first, we want to thank another very important group of people who send us time and talents. That is our no agenda artists who are pretty much guaranteed to all go. Don't go to jail for prompting once.

[Adam Curry]

That lawsuit's over or their illegal prompt, legal prompts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And for episodes There'll be a book about it. Are you gonna write it? You're gonna write it illegal now? No, that's a good one. Oh, that is a. That's a true crime right there. True crime thriller. Illegal prompts. Episode 1771 was titled Home Depotation. See what we did there? And the art came from Blue Acorn, who brought us the LA riots with a clap. Clapboard. Clapboard. A slate that said influencer event, scene 33. We thought that was kind of cool. We appreciated Blue Acorn doing that for us. So we use that as the album art. Let's take a look at some other.

[Adam Curry]

It's not even on the page anymore. We got so much art that came in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. What happened? Oh, is it all Darren and Digital 2112, man. Yep, it is. They just went crazy with the prompts. You know what? You know what it is? This is. They've trained AI to do AI imagery.

[Adam Curry]

I think the prompted AI is prompting AI. It could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, something like that.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, then what are you going to do? Then what are you going to do with your lawsuit? Hey, I got nothing to do with it for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. It's degraded the quality of the art. Both in Luminous.

[Adam Curry]

A couple good pieces coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, let's.

[Adam Curry]

This on page two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness. It's already on page two. Oh, wow. So Darren actually did the no Agenda in the Home Depot logo, which I think is where we got Home Depotation from, which was right next to the Influencer event by Blue Acorn. Blue Acorn doesn't necessarily use AI. I think he's a hybrid.

[Adam Curry]

Hybrid artist, half and half. Yeah, I don't. For one thing, that influencer event, scene 33. There's no way I wrote that on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. And so. So I also post these on. On X. And I'm a mastodon, and I got some troll who showed up.

[Adam Curry]

You still have a master. I thought you. You don't use Mastodon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I have my own.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's right. You have your little instance, and we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have podcast index Social. So, you know, I don't look at any of the other stuff, but I got some troll picked up a troll who, by the way, he's actually a guy who I think likes the show. Let me see if I can find it. Because he saw this image, says you want to backtrack on it not being a big deal. The riots in Los Angeles. I know, right? I was like, what? What is your problem?

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't listen to the show much.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I Looked at his timeline. He has tons of of retweets. And let me see if I can find it. Wait, under. Because he was going off on me. Oh, how was trip to Moscow coincidence that your uncle was a top CIA guy. I can't trust you anymore. Like, really. Let me see. Where was it? Where was he? No, I don't think I can find him.

[Adam Curry]

I don't trust you anymore. That was how many decades ago?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Now here he is. Here he is. Oh, here. Here it is. Here it is. Okay, I found it. We got boots on the ground from someone who works at Palantir. Lol. And just so everybody knows, these are good guys. Wtf, Adam? The show has gone from absolutely can't miss to borderline unlistenable. Neither of you are stupid, so it's got to be something else. So I reply, pro tip. You forgot to say we're Zionist. Chills, bro. Bro. If your response to criticism is that I'm a troll, very disappointing. We' engaged on here many times. If your response to Palantir having a direct line into the White House is no biggie, then the show is a lost cause. Imagine quitting weed and becoming more. I mean, yeah. And then so back and forth.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's one last one. You listen to someone for three to eight hours a week over many years, it's easy to detect a disturbance in, in the force. I get that you got QAnon, but you've been taking it out on your producers for two years and the show has turned into a Jesus boomer slop. I don't trust you.

[Adam Curry]

He made it clear he doesn't trust you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I, I think he doesn't trust me. I think there's a. We have a lack of trust with.

[Adam Curry]

This particular lack of trust.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm very.

[Adam Curry]

But, but, but there was no specifics.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, no, but that, you know, I, I, I, I went.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, as he caught you saying something that's completely inaccurate. You're lying. Like they do on the mainstream news.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said that I, I had said we. We got a boots on the ground from someone at Palantir. And then he misquotes me by taking by saying it's no biggie, everything's okay. Like, no, I didn't. I said it's bull crap. This whole Whitney Webb Palantir is going.

[Adam Curry]

To Whitney Webb guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course. Whitney.

[Adam Curry]

Whitney Webb.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Whitney Webb's alt account. All right. Anyway, onward. Thank you very much. Blue acorn we appreciate you and all of the no Agenda artists. And wow. I also, I appreciate that little Twitter diatribe. It's always fun to do the Voice again. Now let us thank the executive and associate the Voice every show, not always. Let's thank our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1772. Yes, 1772. Now we thank everybody $50 and above, and we tell you how much they supported us with in this particular segment. We take a little page from, from the show business playbook and we give people titles as an extra incentive if they're so inclined. You don't have to support us with 200 or $300. None of that's necessary. We just be happy. If everybody just did a couple bucks a show, that would be great. But no one does that. It's less than 2.

[Adam Curry]

Never happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, is it 2% or is it not even 2%? 2%, 1%, 1% support us financially and that's, that's how people want to support us. And thanks to them. And that includes everyone down at the bottom. What's the bottom number here? I think the. Let me see, the whole spreadsheet we have, we still have people giving us $2, 2.2 dollars, $3.33. Love them. A lot of $4.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the $4 weekly donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the $4 weekly donation. Yes. Okay. Oh, we appreciate, Appreciate all of it. So the deal is if you Support us with $200 or above, we read your note. First of all, we can't read everybody's note, but we'll read your note and you get the associate executive producer credit, which is good for the rest of your life. You can use it anywhere. Hollywood show business credits are recognized, including IMDb 300 and above. You get an executive producer credit. Same rules apply. We read your note and we kick it off with Al Qaeda Kelkoff, which sounds very Dutch, who is in Aurora, Illinois, and he comes in with $1052.62, and he kicks it off by saying grace, mercy, and peace from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and from me, Al Khelkoff. And this donation is a switcheroo for my smokin hot wife, Barbara Kelkoff, in recognition of her birthday on Friday, June 13th. So I'm going to make that switcheroo change right away. Barb and I have been married almost 39 years and we never had a fight. She is the kindest, most giving person I know. She volunteers with numerous organizations, but always has times for her friends and her husband. She has Turned our new house into a home. And I couldn't be more blessed than to have her as a wife. We started listening to no Agenda back before COVID After I was looking for a podcast and and googled what is the best podcast. It worked. It did work. And no Agenda was at the top of the list from that day. We were hooked. Please would you deduce, Barbara, you've been de douched. Annie also says because it's her birthday, would you give her a biscuit for her birthday? Well, of course.

[Adam Curry]

They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep up the great work and feel free to end podcasting once all things domestically and internationally. Leave nothing left to deconstruct. I'll have her contact you with her official dame name. Good. We look forward to that. Al Khalkoff. So it's a surprise. Happy birthday, Barbara. Sounds like you got a good man there. Thank you very much, Al, for the support of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Onward with Richard Hollow. He's in Hollo. He's in a Deutschland in the town of Schler. What? Schlerse. I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was Schlierze. Schlierze.

[Adam Curry]

Dear Adam, Dear John. Jobs, karma for all. He came in with a thousand dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom shakalaka.

[Adam Curry]

Health, karma for all. Love my wife, love my children, and my dog. Best wishes. Best wishes, wishes Richard, retired headmaster in Schliersey. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Unknown]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Richard.

[Adam Curry]

Richard Danka.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eric Kessler. Kansas City, Missouri. 3.33.33. We love those threes. Thank you for providing the best podcast in the universe. I continue to learn how to spot slanted news stories, and your deconstruction of the media is worth every penny. Shout out to all the boots on the ground too. You got it, man. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have anonymous parts unknown 3333 3. I hope this email finds you well. Well, Adam might have a general disdain for actual Indians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. I do not have a disdain for actual Indians.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe he's talking about AI and that's code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, yeah, yeah, good point, Good point.

[Adam Curry]

Sea slander. Duck. Duck goes. AI summarizes it as polite, but comes across as overused or insincere. And that's why people prefer to use more engaging alternatives. Hopefully that's the first and last time I will ever use that opener. Which is. I hope this email finds you well. This is a very spooky note from an anonymous source. Speaking of AI, maybe young males are lonely and Using AI chatbots to interact with because as John has alluded to, they can't interact with women properly. Why? Got every trope in here that you can think of because they literally. They like what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

Because they likely unfunny slur using degenerates or just the water. Now did I read that wrong? But it takes it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But.

[Adam Curry]

But take that information with a grain of salt since that information did come from a tic tac. Regarding the. This is code for somebody on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Regarding the wildfire smoke. Do we have a short term memory or something? M5M. When was the last time Western Canada wasn't on fire during the summer?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, thank you. Good point.

[Adam Curry]

Jingles. Ttp Jobs. Karma. What's in. What's that in your mouth? Don't look over here. Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't look over here. Nothing to see here. Oh, look at that. What's that in your mouth?

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alright, Nice sequence. And Drew McArdle is in Lafayette, Louisiana, 333 and wants some baby making karma with a goat. ITM boys, Drew McArdle from Baton Rouge here. I've been on the 2019 $20.19 night layaway program since December of 2019. And I finally crossed the threshold to knighthood. I wonder if more people will be coming. People who started that on 20th December 2019. Check your amounts, people. You may be a knight or a dame. I'm donating this 333 to establish my night name as Sir Droodle on a noodle protector of the red stick and Laffy Taffy. Also, I'd like to call out my brother Ben McArdle, my father Frank McArdle and my best friend Caleb Michaelson as douchebags. Douchebag. Thank you for your courage. Love you both. And I mean it.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Baby making karma. Good luck.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymous in Alicante, Espana, 200. No, the prompt was on it right in the middle of it. The big plus sign 303 donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And he's anonymous from Spain. But since we didn't didn't really send a note, let's give him a double up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. Okay, You've got gracious karma. And we move to our first associate executive producer with $240. Lynn Craig from Colorado Springs, Colorado. No note. So Lynn also gets a double up. Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Karma. We have the Commodore dude named Ben in San Francisco. 222 22. That's a row of ducks. Commodore dude named Ben Duke of the San Francisco reminds the Bay Area Navy to me up, me up. Meet up at the Dog Patch Saloon this Saturday at 3:33. Let's escape the control grid to be some nice protest going on too. And he has hashtag Hot Pockets, hashtag Pina colada escape, which I think Hot.

[Unknown]

Pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you watch, you're a racist. That's what he wanted.

[Adam Curry]

Looks good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much, Commodore. Dude named Ben. We move on to Sean Homan from Noblesville, Indiana to 1911. Ah, that's the code right there. Book of Jonah. He says his love endures. Yours forever. Peace and blessings, Adam and John. Thank you, brother.

[Adam Curry]

Frank Maloney in Sister Bay, Wisconsin. He wants a d douching. You've been de douched. Came in with $210.60. Frank Maloney and his big country unit. Sister Bay is big country unit. He's got his old scrambled here, so I'm not sure what he's referring to. And he says his big country country unit sounds like. I'm assuming it's like a band.

[John C. Dvorak]

A band.

[Adam Curry]

Could be Sister Bay, Wisconsin, available whenever you. Wherever you stream music. So it's a. Okay. Frank Maloney is big country unit, Sister Bay, Wisconsin.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Check it out. Frank Maloney.

[Adam Curry]

Check it out. Let's we'll country unit. We will do do some jingles for us, Frank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eli the coffee guy is back with 20612. He says John, last Thursday show you ask if our Ethiopian Guiji organic is peaber coffee. It is not. Peaberry has nothing to do with the size of the bean. Although peaberry beans are generally smaller, you can tell the peaberry from its roundness as opposed to its size. The peaberry is actually a mutation in about 5% of coffee beans where the bean develops one cherry instead of the regular two cherries, which makes for a more intense flavor profile in a denser, beautiful bean jingles. The more you know, the more you know in the morning. All this peaberry talk makes us want to bring back our Papua New guinea peaberry. So for a limited time only, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order and grab a bag. Today, stay caffeinated, says Eli, the coffee guy. And Eli actually got a free plug on DH Unplugged, which is not true because it's very pluggy. That unplugged. You plugged him?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did. I mentioned him. And now that he's got the peaberry, I expect a bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right after Andrew Horowitz Said that as a Jew, he doesn't like people harping on china. I was on the floor.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was pretty wild.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was on the floor over that.

[Adam Curry]

But he also mentioned he's gotten to the point where he can't drink coffee. It gives him, you know, gerd or something. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gerd. Gerd. That doesn't sound good.

[Adam Curry]

Frank Castaneda in Austin, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

You must know him, Sergeant. That's Sergeant Fred.

[Adam Curry]

Sergeant Fred. I said Frank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right, Fred. Sergeant Fred. Did he not send in. He always sends in a note.

[Adam Curry]

No, this was a check. This is a bank check. That's why it's gray.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sergeant Fred. He is a Vietnam war. War veteran. Let me just make sure I didn't get an email from him. Castanada.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he may have sent you a note.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking for it, but I don't. I don't see anything.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe he just wants to double up, Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's getting a double up, Karma. We love you, Sergeant Fred. Good to hear from him.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very happy to hear from him. I'm glad he's okay. He had some agent orange issues.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, those poor guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's a good man, a veteran, and a real, real American. And rounding it out with $200 is Linda Lou Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado. And Linda asked for jobs karma. And says for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to image makers Inc. For all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K.com and work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. On a personal note, I recently moved to a town more befitting my stature at the round table, Castle Rock, Colorado. Colorado. As a result, I would love some house selling karma for my Lakewood home. Well, let me get you some jobs karma first.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now some house selling karma for you.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Very.

[Adam Curry]

That takes care of our show, 1772 as we approach 1776.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's going to be a banger of a show. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you to this executive and associate executive producers for 1772. Remember, you can support us in any amount you want anytime. You don't have to jump through hoops. Go to Patreon or, you know, sign up for stuff. There's no tote bags. We do have producerships for you. We've got all kinds of stuff. And if you donate long enough and you reach $1,000 over 20, 20 years. That's fine. You become a knight or a dame of the round table. For more information, go to noagendadonations.com thank you again for supporting us, our execs and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. What's that in your mouth? Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do have a deal with China, though. Don't know if he. If supposedly. Well, here's the. I have the latest here. Hold on a second. This is the latest we got a deal.

[Unknown]

After two days of negotiations between the US And Chinese trade representatives, President Trump declared in a social media post Wednesday that a trade deal with China is done. While acknowledging both he and Chinese President Xi Jinping still have to approve a final agreement. He spoke to his trade team who did a fantastic job negotiating this on behalf of the United States and meeting with their Chinese counterparts. The president is talking to them about the details of it now. But what the president heard, he liked. The president said the US will keep a 55% tariff on Chinese imports, while China will keep a 10% tariff on American goods. Trump also said Beijing will supply the US with magnets and rare earth minerals, which are vital to a number of industries.

[Adam Curry]

This is an American agreement. If you're an American company and you need magnets, they are going to approve.

[John C. Dvorak]

It right away, which is what we needed.

[Unknown]

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told CNBC China agreed to do more business with the U.S. including buying more U.S. agriculture and equipment.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's quite the deal if that. That's true, man. 55% tariffs and we get all the magnets we can stick together. All the magnets our kids can swallow. That's dynamite.

[Adam Curry]

The kind of maggots you don't want your kid to swallow.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I'm sure. Well, okay. Well. And China seems to be happy with it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think the part of that deal which they don't talk about since when they break down the tariffs, 25% of that 50 is for defense. Fentanyl. And there's another part that which could do. In other words, down the road somewhere, if China can, you know, just put the stop to a couple of things, they'll just pull a rug out from under a lot of those terrace. It'll be back down to about 20% maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I see. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

There's something fishy about that number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, as long as everyone's happy, which we can't.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it reminds me is the thing you brought up earlier, the 5%, three and a half percent. You know one thing, but it's another.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's what you do. It's the art of the deal, baby. We can't say the same for Iran, although who knows?

[Unknown]

A developing story now overseas, the US Government is evacuating some diplomats and military families from the Middle east because of rising tensions with Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I'm not so sure the term evacuating is correct because from what I read, it was voluntary for the, for the dependents to come home. So spouses, children, etcetera, etcetera. But sounds a little scarier when you say they're being evacuated and threats of.

[Unknown]

An attack on US bases. ABC's Perry Resum has details. Perry, good morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good morning, Rhiannon, good morning to you.

[Unknown]

The threat posed by Iran is prompting.

[John C. Dvorak]

The US to prepare a partial evacuation of the embassy in neighboring Iraq. Officials say the evacuation of US Diplomats.

[Unknown]

In Baghdad will begin via commercial flights with the military on standby if needed. There's also a voluntary evacuation of military family members at bases in the region, including those in Bahrain and Kuwait.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump speaking last night about the growing security concerns.

[Adam Curry]

They are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place and we'll see what happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they are been.

[Adam Curry]

We've given notice to move out.

[Unknown]

And this comes after Iran earlier this week threatened to target all US Bases in the region if negotiations over its nuclear weapons program fail to reach a deal. Those talks between the US And Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Resume on Sunday in Oman. So I didn't like this report because they, they make it sound like Iran is we're going to bomb your bases.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have a BBC version of the same report. You might want to play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and then I want to pay. Then I want to play the France 24. Let me see your Iran. Here we go. The United States is preparing to move.

[Unknown]

Some staff and their families from its embassy in Iraq.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's a little more nuanced. As well as from military bases in.

[Adam Curry]

Kuwait, Bahrain officials say the partial evacuations down to what they describe as heightened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Security risks in the region. Our State Department correspondent Tom Bateman reports from Washington. The move comes after weeks of talks between the US And Iran. President Trump has hoped to strike a deal to stop Tehran developing a nuclear weapon.

[Adam Curry]

But he said today he was growing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Less confident it would stop enriching uranium.

[Adam Curry]

Earlier this week, he also held a.

[John C. Dvorak]

40 minute phone call said to be tense with Israel's prime minister, who has long argued for a military rather than diplomatic approach. Iran's defense minister said today the country would Target US Military bases in the region if a conflict was imposed upon it. All right, let's listen to the France 24 version.

[Adam Curry]

Amid a feared deadlock in nuclear talks, tensions between the US And Iran have flared up again. After week long war of words, Donald.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump confirmed that US Diplomats were being removed from the region.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they are being moved out because it could be a dangerous place and we'll see what happens. But they are, We've given notice to move out. We'll see what happens. American and Iranian negotiators have been planning.

[John C. Dvorak]

To meet later this week for another round of talks. But Trump told reporters on Monday that.

[Adam Curry]

Iran had adopted an unacceptable negotiating position.

[Unknown]

In particular on enrichment.

[Adam Curry]

A U. S backed plan suggested that Iran could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only enrich uranium at low levels, effectively blocking Iran's ability to enrich the fuel.

[Adam Curry]

To produce a nuclear weapon. Well, they're just asking for things that you can't do. They don't want to give up what.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have to give up.

[Adam Curry]

You know what that is. They seek information, enrichment.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can't have enrichment.

[Adam Curry]

They have given us their thoughts on the deal. And I said, you know, it's just not acceptable. Many are concerned about the risk of.

[John C. Dvorak]

A potential regional conflagration between Iran and.

[Adam Curry]

Israel should diplomacy fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Israeli officials have repeatedly threatened to attack.

[Adam Curry]

Iran if it does not effectively surrender its nuclear program. On Wednesday the the Iranian defense minister issued a warning in the event that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The talks broke down. God willing, the talks will bring results.

[Unknown]

But if they don't and conflict is imposed to us, the enemy's losses would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be greater than ours.

[Adam Curry]

In that case, America will have to.

[Unknown]

Leave the region because all its bases.

[Adam Curry]

Are within our reach. And without hesitation, we will target all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of them in the host countries.

[Adam Curry]

Analysts say that Iran, Iran is now.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the brink of being able to manufacture enough nuclear material to fuel a nuclear weapon. The only ones who got it right, no one else tagged the story with their Just a week away.

[Adam Curry]

Just a week away. You can't leave that now. We also got.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had to.

[Adam Curry]

We both got a boots on the ground report from one of our military guys who's talking about how they're moving equipment around.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have it here. You want me to read it?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't. I, I think it's. I don't want you to read it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I won't read it.

[Adam Curry]

The. But the point is is that all this, including that note, all seem to be. And what's happening, it doesn't seem to be secret. No, this is all posturing to scare the crap out of the Iranians. They take. Listen, we're moving all our people out of all. You got to attack the bases. There's going to be anybody there. There are to be going to be gone. It's looking like they're leaving them sitting there. Iran as sitting ducks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Is Israel controlling us again, John?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think we're controlling us. Of course Israel was controlling us. They'd have bombed them already. Of course they would have bombed him by now. But the point is, is that this is all part of the, the negotiating process that Trump uses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And, and it's like, yeah, well, you know what's going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And everything seems to be, I wouldn't call it a bluff because I think they could bomb them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

But it's definitely messages are going out. You're going to get bombed if you don't do the deal. And we're going to be out of here. We're moving our bases, we're digging people home, you know. Yeah, go ahead, bomb the empty base. Big deal. Deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If I was Iran, I'd just do the deal. I don't understand what the problem is.

[John C. Dvorak]

For some reason though, the. I'm looking at the Quad like people are still mad about Los Angeles. They're not worried about Iran at all. I don't understand. They're not taking the bait. They're not doing it. But I see the Ruthless podcast has joined the Will Kane Show. Wow, that's riveting. I did pick up a nice, a little, just a short clip from the president on an Air Force One gaggle. A gaggle where now? And actually the DH Unplugged podcast every single Tuesday goes live in the evening. You pick it up on Wednesday. It's a great podcast about things in the markets and, and John and Andrew Waffling about China. It's good. It's good show. I listen to it. I listen to, to it all the time. Talking about the trial, balloons being let up, let into the air, about a future or the next or maybe nearer future. Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think you guys got this clip in time for the show. Maybe it was after that. But here President Trump explains something which is exactly what your best podcast in the universe discussed months ago.

[Adam Curry]

And if we had a good Fed chairman, you would lower rates.

[Unknown]

And you know what, if inflation happened.

[Adam Curry]

In a year from now or two years, let them raise rates. But we're going out for long term debt or short term debt. We have a lot of debt coming due Because Biden had all short term debt mostly. And we would get a lower rate at a lower interest rate. If this guy would lower rates, we get a lower interest rate. It's unbelievable. And he's working about inflation. If he worries about inflation any longer, all he has to do is get the lower rate, let us go out borrow at a much lower rate. Much lower. You could go down a point or two. We'll go out borrow. And if in two years inflation comes back, he raises rates, but he keeps them the same. It's just, it's insane. Are you already thinking about who your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Next Fed chair would be?

[Unknown]

I know it's 2026 when he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're already thinking about it.

[Adam Curry]

For you, it's coming out very soon. I could tell you, but I don't think.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you make.

[Adam Curry]

I have a pretty good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there it is, exactly what we discussed. He wants the Fed to lower the rate so we can refi. Refi the country, which is a good idea. And then Trump says if inflation goes up, you raise the rates, but then we'll have longer term debt, everybody's got the stablecoin and we'll be good to go. We'll, we'll lower our interest rate payments. How at this point, is Jerome Powell just not an American? Is he not patriotic? Why doesn't he do this? The ECB has lowered rates eight times.

[Adam Curry]

The, the way the Fed is structured right now, they don't believe what Trump says is, is the, is going to work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is going to work.

[Adam Curry]

They don't think that you can. They see that the interest rates are always pegged to inflation. And unless there's economic downturn, there's no reason to lower the rates. It's just a rule. The way they see it, they're not thinking about strategizing, refinancing the country. They're just not on the agenda. They're never right, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

So why would they be right now? Why would they change? Wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it seems like the right thing to do, you know, just doesn't mean a thing. By the way, in Europe now, having over €3,000 in your possession is about to become illegal.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Yep. You are not allowed to have more than €3,000 in cash.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because that means you're criminal that you. There's no way you need that kind of money for any legal matter. You should be using banks and stablecoin or anything. The digital euro, whatever it is, they are getting rid of cash. You cannot have more than €3,000 cash in your possession or you will be deemed suspect and probably involved in criminal activities. Activity. Yep.

[Adam Curry]

That's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. In fact, a Dutch guy was caught.

[Adam Curry]

Some people like having cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, was caught. Caught at the. At the border with Germany. He had a. Like a mini fridge in the back. He had €124,000 in there, hidden and off to jail you go. What do you need that cash for? Where'd you get that cash? You better tell us about that cash. You can't have that cash. It's not good to have that cash. You are probably involved in illegal crim activity, aren't you? Meanwhile, everybody's making bank on the drug trade through the Netherlands. This is the. The port of. Of preference for shipping your drugs into Europe, I'm sure. Sanctioned by politicians at all. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. You cannot have.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you want to do the clip blitz?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay, hold on a second. I'm sorry. I was a little underprepared. I know, I know, I know, I know. You told me. You. You told me earlier. Blitz. Okay. All right. Clip blitz. Ladies and gentlemen, we haven't done a long time. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Red 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody, it's time for a clip blitz. John Cedar Work NBC 7.

[Adam Curry]

Mark Brown talking about how people enjoy watching car. Cars burn.

[Unknown]

Large group of people.

[Adam Curry]

It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and. And demonstrators. It's another no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, clipless.

[Adam Curry]

This was under F I S y.

[John C. Dvorak]

F I S y federal judge has ruled the Trump administration cannot continue to detain Mahmoud Khalil on.

[Adam Curry]

On the basis of Secretary of State Marco Rubio's determination he's a threat to.

[John C. Dvorak]

American foreign policy goals. It's unclear whether Khalil will soon be released from the Immigration Detention center in.

[Adam Curry]

Louisiana, where he's been held since ICE.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agents arrested him in early March.

[Adam Curry]

Judge paused his own ruling and told.

[John C. Dvorak]

Friday to give the government time to appeal.

[Adam Curry]

It's another no agenda. The NEA chief kind of forgetting what the wordage of the Declaration of Independence is.

[Unknown]

We the people. We the people.

[Adam Curry]

We the people.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of us.

[Adam Curry]

All of us have that right to life, liberty and the pursuit of justice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Red 33. That's right. Something like that. You know the thing.

[Adam Curry]

You know the thing. Sun poles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sunpoles. France and Saudi Arabia are gathering countries for a conference next week at UN Headquarters in New York to support the recognition of a power. I'm sorry, that's the wrong one. Here you go. Sun poles. And the European Space Agency has released the first ever images of the sun's South Pole.

[Adam Curry]

The footage, taken from a Solar Orbiter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spacecraft, shows a shimmering bright atmosphere interspersed with dark clouds of gas.

[Adam Curry]

Scientists hope it'll help them understand why.

[John C. Dvorak]

The sun's poles switch from north to.

[Adam Curry]

South and back again every 11 years. Red 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are good. I missed them.

[Adam Curry]

World Bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

The World bank is to end a long standing ban on the funding of nuclear energy projects in developing countries to help meet soaring electricity needs. It said demand for electricity in poorer countries is expected to more than double in the next 10 years.

[Adam Curry]

Dan, you can close the locker room doors. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. Close the. I'm screwing it up. Where is it? Locked locker room doors.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think we have a locker room. No, I. No, I said I'm saying that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's. Oh, the clipless is over. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Wow, way to bring back the Clip Blitz. Haven't had one of those in a long time. Those you stuck with us this long are joyous, of course. And right now we are waiting for the tip of the day. We've got the end of show mixes, we have some meetup reports, we got birthdays, nights, PhDs. And John is now going to thank the rest of our supporters, value for value, who supported us. $50 or more.

[Adam Curry]

Right at the top of the list is Dame Rita once again. And from Sparks, Nevada. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. She says ITM Christopher Ebert in Spartanburg, South Carolina. 105.35. Greg Marshall in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. 100. David Van Den Braund in Turnard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turnhout. Oh, Turnard. I'm sorry. Ternard. Yes, that's what I said. Turnard. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Happy birthday to me. He writes Happy birthday to me. Jew money.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got some Jew money. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

We got some Jew money. Finally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks, brother. Jew money.

[Adam Curry]

And then he has a little comment for you in Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's his birthday. Morge in Yach Bay. And for Yuri. Stop Roofers. And for Juli. What extra? Under the telcons we looked almost smile on my face.

[Adam Curry]

All right, thank you, Harry Clan in Alido, Texas. A hundred dollars, sir. Uncle Cave bear in Milboro, Virginia. 100. This is from the Whitten family reunion. Kevin McLaughlin there he is in Concord, North Carolina. He is the Archduke of Luna. Lover American lover of boobs. As this is a 1772 donation. 8008 sir Alex in in Kylie, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kyle, Kyle.

[Adam Curry]

Kyle 7061. He's got a long note. This is some sort of a knighting or something. Is that means we have to read it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I will read it right away in the morning. Gents, I'm making the $67 donation for the 67 days our daughter spent in the NICU. Is this Alex Zavala? Yes, Sir Alex and I want to launch the Father's Day NICU dad Donation challenge. I challenge all no agenda NICU Dads to donate this Father's Day in honor of the number of days your baby spent in the nicu. That's the natal intensive care unit. Also be sure to check out the nicudad.com, which is a great podcast. Join the NICUD Push Up Challenge to help raise awareness about NICU dad mental health. Thanks again for all the support. Can I get some goat Karma? And I love my truck. I was also made a baron a few weeks back, but I wanted to use this donation to request a name change. Can I be dubbed Baron Zavala, Guardian of the NICU and champion of the NICU Dads? Of course. Thanks for all you do. And a special thanks to you, Adam and Tina for your support. We're so grateful. If you are a nicu dad or no one, check out thenikudad.com and the NICU dad on all our social media. Social media platforms. And thanks again and yes, I'll give him some goat karma if you do the truck.

[Adam Curry]

Hit it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you. You do the truck first.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I do the truck first?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I love my truck and I love what I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Alex, another note for you to read.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do I. I have this one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do. It's on the PDF.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This from Todd Grubb is in Imlay City, Michigan and came with 6933. But in fact this is a nighting. He's gotten up to $2,000. This is K Pac, Chiropractic.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says we started listening to the show at the early part of COVID Kicked in the mouth by some douchebag on Twitter. This donation puts me over $2,000 in donation completed. Two two 20 month $50 knighthood layaways via PayPal. Some are under okay, has all these different names. This note does not need to be read, but he just wants to Be deduced.

[Adam Curry]

You've been deduced.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he'll be knighted. Sir Todd, Knight of cows and pigs and chickens. And he would like to gift his wife a damehood for their 20th anniversary. And they never had a fight. She would be Dame Josepha Dame at Altair, Hell, Montreal, Brisket and Seagram's very own at the round table. And she would like Gigolos and Blow. Okay, please get the Gigolos and Blow.

[Adam Curry]

Is she on the list?

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe so.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so. I'm looking at the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we do. We have a dame. We have a dame. Joseph Grub James. Josephina Damien at All to Hell.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I. Oh, I said look at the wrong. Oh, say, of course. Rarely makes a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, rarely.

[Adam Curry]

Which is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jay does not make mistakes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Onward with Chad Hewitt. And he's Folsom, California. 6,640. Jason Shepard in Trinidad, Colorado. 6,006. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6,006. Matt Lambert in Fuqua, Varina, North Carolina. 5,272. Hakan Andreessen in Portland, Oregon. 5,272. Commodore G in Cincinnati. 5,167. Paulo Paolo. Paolo. PAOLO. Paolo Moore in Fort Washington, Maryland. 5,150. And he says 5,150. Cali is crazy. Referring to in California. And there they are. Bad idea Supply. Look them up on Google for all your burning needs. Literally. 50. 50, sir economic hitman in Tomball, Texas. 50 01. And now we have $50 donor, starting with William Spain in Springdale, Arkansas. Renee Knig in Ultra shoes, Utrecht, Netherlands. 50. Roderick Brown in Mermaid Someplace in Canada. Pe. What could that be? Don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poutine.

[Adam Curry]

Steven Schumach in Xenia, Ohio. Matthew Bush Bush in Maple Valley, Washington. This is a happy Father's Day to day. The best dad and husband. Get those Father's Day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Get those Father Day mentions in the next show, the next donation segment. Next show on Sunday, Father's Day. Don't forget. Remember Andrew Grasso, Mineola, New York. Tom Delvecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania. Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California. And last on our. That's actually pretty short list today, Ethan Reitz, I believe in New Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. And he's got a biblical thing to go to. Corinthians 15, 1:4 and Romans 3, 23, 26. Okay, go look him up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Tim Del Vecchio. And yes, it's 1 Corinthians 15, 4 4. Thank you all very much to these donors. $50 and above. We love your support. We do not do anything unreal. Under $50. The guarantee, anonymity. We don't want to screw anything up, so we just stop it right there. But we see you 49.99. We appreciate everybody, every single donation. Those smaller amounts really do add up. And we appreciate you helping us out that way as well. You can support us for the next episode. As John said, it is Father's Day, so consider a Father's Day donation for your dad or for your husband, who's a great dad. Go to Noah. Jen, the donation. You can make any kind of donation you want there. There's some suggestions. You can also just set up a sustaining donation. Any amount, any frequency is all up to you. Thank you again for supporting the best podcast in the universe. And where we had no birthdays on the last show, we have a couple this today we have Mitchell Reeves wishing his wife, Sierra Reeves, a very happy Thursday 33rd. And she celebrates today. Mom, dad, Cullen and Roon say happy birthday to Nora. She turns eight tomorrow. Al Kalk, his smoking hot wife, Barbara. Boy, does he love her. She celebrates tomorrow. And we got David Von Den Brand, and he celebrated today his birthday and he sent us some Jew money. Well, thank you very much. Happy birthday for everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. Yes, indeed. We just heard him. Sir Alex Savala now becomes a baron. He's moving up in the peerage at no agenda. He is Baron Savala, guardian of the NICU and champion of the NICU dads. And that is definitely worth looking into because, you know NICU dads, when your kids in the ICU dads have all kinds of different challenges and they can support each other, and he's doing great work on that, and we appreciate all he does, and we appreciate him supporting us. And we have two PhDs to celebrate. Barbara Kelkoff and Richard Hollow. Both have become PhDs of no agenda. What exactly is this PhD? Is this the media deconstruction? Is that what the PhD?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this is a rerun of the media D construction PhD.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's beautiful product. Yeah. I got.

[Adam Curry]

You have one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one. And someone sent me a picture of theirs on their wall, and they love it a lot. It's good. Go to noagendarings.com that's where you can let us know, Barbara and Richard, where you want us to send your certificates and what you want on it. And of course, everybody can take a look there at the PhD certificates and also the night rings and dame rings. And we do have a Couple of knights and a dame. We have Troy Funderburk, who is a layaway knight. And I have a note here says I would like to be Sir Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley. Thank you for the consistent and articulate deconstruction. For good measure, please throw in some baby making karma as we try for our second human resource says Troy Funderburk. I will. Let me see. I will get that ready for you so we can roll that out for you in a little bit. But first, why don't we bring them all up and if you can give me a blade to work. That's very good.

[Adam Curry]

Please.

[John C. Dvorak]

The following people join us here on the podium for the no Agenda knights and dames. We need Troy Funderberk. We need Drew McArdle and Todd Grubb. All three of you gentlemen are now knights at the no Agenda roundtable. And if you don't mind, I'd like to call up Josephina Grubb. Josephina, you are now dame of the no Agenda roundtable. I pronounce the Kate the Sir Thunder of the Bitterroot Valley. Sir Droodle on a Noodle, Protector of the Red Stick and Laffy Taffy. Sir Todd, Knight of cows and pigs and chickens. And Dame Joseph, Dame at Alt Hell who wanted Gigolos and Blow. And along with that, we got some Montreal Biscuits and Seagrams. Man, I ran out of time. Because we also have mutton and meat at every single roundtable for our knights and dames. The list is ever growing that we have enough chairs for everybody. We thank you so much for supporting the show. Go to noagendarings.com look at those handsome rings. They're signet rings so you can use them to seal your important correspondence. We give you some sticks of wax to do that with. Multicolored. And as always, a certificate of authenticity. And our gratitude and thanks for supporting no Agenda. No Agenda. Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. Yeah, baby. John's tip of the day is on the way. But first we have a couple of meetup reports. The first is from Kodiak. I believe it's in Alaska in the morning. This is Sir Uncle Cave Bear, the.

[Adam Curry]

Washed up artist reporting live from the Whitten family reunion slash no agenda meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here in Kodiak, Alaska. We'd all like to thank you, John and Adam, for your courage. Oh, my gosh, listen.

[Unknown]

That horn don't eat me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bojidan chemtrails in the morning. All right, Kodiak. Nice. Now we move to the 4th annual Louisiana Crawfish Broil no Agenda meetup report. This is Dame Mary Moon introducing the.

[Unknown]

Fourth annual Louisiana Crawfish boil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Juclaw here ready to go shoot more my noodle gun.

[Unknown]

Dame Tracy of the Roman Right. They're eating the crawfish.

[John C. Dvorak]

David from Baton Rouge in the Morning Test guest of Dame Tracy. No Agenda Virgin circadian break.

[Adam Curry]

Enjoying the crawfish and fisting my nuts. No nut fisting.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Tyler in the Morning. Mitch enjoyed Sir Knight the Nuts and the Virgin.

[Unknown]

We want to see y' all next year on the bayou eating some crawfish.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brian in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Hey John, you're a scoundrel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for your courage. Isaac from Lafayette itm a listener from.

[Adam Curry]

The Daily Source Code Days and this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is my first meetup. Awesome. Great time.

[Unknown]

Erin from Lafayette, Louisiana. Also my first meet in itm.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is not a douche. Drew sooner to be Sir Droodle on a noodle in the morning. Let's feed some blind goats.

[Adam Curry]

Why you are laughing?

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, shut up. Nice production. Thank you very much. Meetups taking place today. The Northern Wake Freedom Summer Slam o Whammo kicks off at 6 o' clock in Raleigh, North Carolina at Hoppy Endings tomorrow. Calling all Gitmo Nordics Urson meetup. Yes, this is the big Copenhagen, Denmark at Micheles Bagha. You better be there. Paul Petermann is organizing that. And I want a meet up report. Include your servers, please. On Saturday, the Lazarusvart picnic. That is the beach next to the marina in the old town of Kuhlenborg in the Netherlands. Sir Hendrik. Is Sir Hendrik back on his feet again? I hope so. That's awesome. Saturday, the Treasure Valley Meetup, 3 o' clock in Eagle, Idaho. Old State Saloon. Saturday as well. Downtown New York City. Three o' clock, the Six Point Brewery at Brookfield place, New York, NY. Joe, NY33 organizing. Those guys always have a big group. Include your server. I want to hear all about it. As we heard earlier, the Dogpatch San Francisco summer meetup kicks off on Saturday at 3:30 at Dogpatch Saloon in San Francisco. The Duke of San Francisco hosting that. The Comox Valley meetup, five o' clock, Church Street, Taphouse in Comox, British Columbia. That's on Saturday. And also on Saturday, trains, trains and more trains. No, no spooks allowed. 7:30 in Davenport, Iowa at Mickey's Irish Pub. Be there or be lame. Coming up, international meetups, 17 June con France. We have. Let's see, was that the only international one? The 19th in September. Hey, there's a lot of meetups. There's always tons of meetups. Always one in the neighborhood. You can find them atnoenStage Meetups.com. go there, take a look at the line up. If you can't find a meetup near you, don't panic. It's just like a TED Talk, only without douchebag. Start one yourself. No agendameetups.com always a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days.

[Unknown]

You want to be where you won't be triggered on hell to lame.

[Adam Curry]

You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as request that I never forget a baby making karma for our new night.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And at this point in the show is where we always like to select our ISO for the end of the show. Bad news. I do not have a single ISO lined up for today.

[Adam Curry]

I have one good one that I was gonna pull if you didn't have a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you nailed. Holy crap. What a great show.

[Adam Curry]

Indeed.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI to the rescue. You're gonna get sued for that prompt, Dvorak. I'm telling you. But first, before the lawsuit, it's time for John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti. All right, this is some utilities and also just a great nerdy website. There's a. I would call him a meta tech meta nerd. That is just a fabulous character. His name is Chris Titus. He does a lot of videos and he's like. If you're getting into Linux, you want to go to his website Chris Titus.com but if you want the absolute most amazing, amazing Windows utilities. He also developed a system called Win Utils and it would be. You get to it because you. You can't actually download it. It's it. It runs on kind of in the cloud. His cloud.

[John C. Dvorak]

And is it running on Google Cloud? Because.

[Adam Curry]

No. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all working offline.

[Adam Curry]

I doubt it, to be honest about it. But it's good. But the website you want is Winutil W I N U T I L. Chris Titus. That's C-H-R-I-S-T-I-T U S.com win utilities. And this thing runs only. You have to load it from the. You have to load it from the Windows Admin PowerShell.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could possibly go wrong?

[Adam Curry]

Which takes over your whole machine. Yeah, but you have to get. But he got rules how to get there and what to cut and paste and throw it in there. Once you load this thing, it's astonishing. It's got every known utility that you can imagine. All free utilities that are available for Windows in one tab. Another tab has got this huge pile of checklists to optimize your system so it runs better. It's one thing after another. This guy's. This winutil product is unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. That's an endorsement coming from you, the man who wrote the telecommunications book for Windows.

[Adam Curry]

And I will mention this if you're thinking about Linux and you just go to his regular website, he is a fanatic about arch Linux.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And to the point where he says he's been trying to break it for over a year. He says it's impossible and he's got tutorials and all kinds of things. It just. He's just the guy. It's like surprises me that he's not more well known.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is now you said it was amazing. You said it was just an amazing product.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I said amazing.

[Unknown]

Oh my God, that is amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is an endorsement. You can pass up more at johnstip of the day.net.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created.

[John C. Dvorak]

By Dana Burnetti and of course thank you to Dana brennani Where would we be without Dana Brunetti? I would just be up shit's creek without a paddle. And that is the end of our broadcast day. That's it for our deconstruction for this episode of no agenda 1772. But it'll just be three days wait and we'll be back with 1773 and it is Father's day. So make sure you thank your dad, thank your husband, thank that important dad in your life. You can do it with a nice [e-mail] ending our show as usual we will have a couple of end of show mixes. Deez Laughs comes in from Toronto, Tom Starkweather with some nice little LA protest ditties. And Nautilus K is back with another end of show mix. All fresh, all new, all for you. And up next, after we leave the airwaves, it is that Larry Show Episode 489, La Delerie. With the deep voice, he's the man to watch. In the meantime I will say thank you very much for listening and coming you from the heart of the Texas hill country here in Fredericksburg in the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from.

[Adam Curry]

Northern Silicon Valley where it looks like Saturday is going to be a winner, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We return on Sunday. Meet us there and remember us at Noah Jefferson Agenda donations dot com. Until then, adios mofos. Who we hooey and such these automated.

[Adam Curry]

Systems are so lame it's like.

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Adam Curry]

Can'T afford some dollar an hour person in India I mean you can barely speak English would be better than this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah the true AI Anonymous Indian that's what we need what a sight to see such a fractured society when people people mindlessly subscribe and see then they.

[Adam Curry]

Make up their own version of reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take a look at Wall street are we in trouble? Nvidia and AI there's a huge bubble oracles literally ellison and sounding stubborn but Elon saying we don't have a habitually we're in trouble Anonymous Indians AI and so many pod schemes Nightmares don't hit the same when you're living out this Euro druk abnormal dreams being pitched to solve all of our mundane Monday manual human tasks is in the chat box can it even sort emails? Don't even ask H1B is not for me you see clarified by big Pharma always want to harm ya now he's trying to charm ya he's got the.

[Unknown]

Look of Vape the snake Grandma Swami.

[Adam Curry]

Did his job leading up to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Campaign bringing in the best talent was for our day can you remove the stain taking 10% off the top down train in the brain Every country should.

[Unknown]

Make its own citizens it's number one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Priority not just cuz you check a box as a visible minority culture is.

[Unknown]

Passion in the city of the six many faces to a city more than six people coming from all over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

World to get a fix Funny undefeated.

[Unknown]

This is not a tricks now is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The time this is an exit strategy for you and for you only. And I would support it. You need to become the tech grouchy. Once you detect Grouch, everybody will want to interview you. And then of course you got to slip around that outfit all over the place. You got to keep the voice going iPhone smyphone I got a Bakelite phone it's fine people will love you they will glom on to the screen Working.

[Adam Curry]

On I'm getting the green screen maybe.

[Unknown]

We are part of a national experiment to determine how far the federal government can go. Tuesday demonstrations were largely peaceful. Two men are in custody accused of throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement. We're seeing protests pop up in other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cities across the country.

[Unknown]

National Guard troops already have detained civilians in the LA anti ice protest.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, we want to make sure that what has happened in California does not happen in Texas. We're coming after all these people.

[Adam Curry]

Our community must be kept safe for peaceful protests and against the and criminals looking to start trouble, The Trump administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is signaling it will not bank back down. The Pentagon's deploying nearly 700 Marines to.

[Unknown]

Southern California to help the National Guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Respond to immigration protests that turned into clashes with authorities over the last few days.

[Adam Curry]

U.S. marines and National Guard are on standby outside of Los Angeles, where demonstrators.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have again been protesting President Donald Trump's immigration policies.

[Adam Curry]

There is There's a heavy amount of.

[Unknown]

Police officers that are scattered not only.

[Adam Curry]

In this area, but on the parks that are in the outskirts of this area, preparing for any number of demonstration demonstrations and protesters that make their way here. Helio Movie about aliens don't tell Trump he'll send the Green Berets in too, but Just write the blurb if someone asked me for a blurb for their book, I don't care how crappy the book is, I'll give them a blurb. Just write the blurb. Just write the blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need more blurb.

[Adam Curry]

Just write the blurb. Just write the blurb. If someone asked me for a blurb for their book, I don't care how crappy the book is, I'll give him a blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need more blurb.

[Adam Curry]

Just write the blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will you write a blurb about my book, regardless? Of course. Regardless of what it is?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jesus Was a Badass Outlaw.

[Adam Curry]

A fascinating read by Adam Curry. Just write the blurb. Just write the blurb.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need more blurb. I need more blurb. Jesus was a Badass Outlaw. Give me your blurb. Go.

[Adam Curry]

Just write the blur. A fascinating read by Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I just got to write the book. Jesus was a badass outlaw dvorak.org n a Holy crap, what a great show.