1777 - "Java Shack"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1777: "Java Shack" Summary

Release Date: June 29, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Description: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak

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1. Introduction and Banter [00:00 – 02:30]

The episode kicks off with host Adam Curry expressing surprise, leading into playful banter between Adam and co-host John C. Dvorak. They reference cultural figures like Trini Lopez and Bob Dylan, setting a light-hearted tone.

Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry [00:00]: "This is a stunner."
• John C. Dvorak [00:21]: "This is no Agenda now with less than one third adult content and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country."

2. Critique of Media Narratives and the "Boomer Talk" Phenomenon [01:15 – 09:41]

The hosts delve into media portrayal of topics like Zionism and Israeli influence, expressing frustration over what they perceive as biased narratives that label criticisms of Israel as anti-Semitic. They discuss the impact of media on public perception and political polarization, particularly focusing on how "Boomer Talk" exacerbates generational divides.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [02:00]: "My kid, hey, dad. Boomer."
• John C. Dvorak [04:07]: "Why would you straw man concerns of Zionism with Jew hatred?"

3. Military Industrial Complex and Geopolitical Influence [09:41 – 14:10]

Curry and Dvorak explore the historical and present-day influence of the military-industrial complex on American politics and foreign policy. They argue that U.S. support for Israel serves as a tool for broader geopolitical strategies, influencing relationships with nations like China and Iran.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [12:13]: "We annually spend on military security alone, more than the net income of all United States corporations."
• Adam Curry [13:22]: "We should take nothing for granted."

4. DIA Leak and Intelligence Community Critique [14:10 – 18:00]

The conversation shifts to a leaked Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report assessing U.S. strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. The hosts are critical of the DIA's handling of intelligence, suggesting possible biases and incompetence. They compare different intelligence assessments from Israeli officials and emphasize the need for accountability within the intelligence community.

Notable Quotes:

• Craig Vaughn [15:05]: "But what has crept into the narrative..."
• John C. Dvorak [16:32]: "Serious shift it says in the way federal officials approach vaccines..."

5. Supreme Court Rulings and Political Implications [18:00 – 25:00]

Curry and Dvorak discuss recent Supreme Court decisions affecting federal oversight and state autonomy. They highlight rulings on nationwide injunctions and age verification for online content, interpreting these as victories for presidential authority and critiques of judicial overreach.

Notable Quotes:

• Adam Curry [21:15]: "This makes me think this guy’s a little more in tune."
• John C. Dvorak [24:14]: "They pushed him aside. Hegseth mugged the stage."

6. Immigration and International Relations [25:00 – 34:00]

The hosts address U.S. immigration policies, particularly focusing on Venezuelan migrants and the strain on cities like Chicago. They criticize both the Biden and Trump administrations for their handling of immigration, emphasizing the complexities and human impacts of current policies.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [25:31]: "And so we have to take them because nobody else will take them."
• Adam Curry [33:40]: "This is like the Palestinians. Nobody wants to take them, I guess."

7. Podcasting, Donations, and Community Engagement [34:00 – 50:00]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the mechanics of podcasting without traditional advertisements. Curry and Dvorak promote their "value for value" model, encouraging listeners to support the show through donations. They also share anecdotes about their interactions with supporters and the community, highlighting the grassroots nature of their funding approach.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [54:04]: "You can also listen to this program on a modern podcast app."
• Adam Curry [82:27]: "I have to say you have kept this thesis alive in yours because it's going to happen."

8. Closing Remarks and Donor Acknowledgments [50:00 – End]

In the final segment, the hosts thank their donors, awarding titles and credits to supporters who contribute to the show's sustainability. They reinforce the importance of community support in maintaining an independent, ad-free podcast.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [182:04]: "Please join us on Thursday and remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo fos are hooey."
• Adam Curry [193:50]: "We go out, we hit people in the mouth."

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Conclusion

Episode 1777 of the No Agenda Show features Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak engaging in extensive discussions on media bias, geopolitical strategies, intelligence community accountability, Supreme Court implications, and immigration policies. The hosts emphasize the importance of independent funding through their value-for-value donation model, fostering a strong community of supporters. Throughout the episode, they maintain a critical stance on established institutions and advocate for transparency and accountability in both government and media.

Supporting Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak [05:33]: "It's really, it's really interesting how you have... people who like killing people. A lot of people in our elite circles."
• Adam Curry [54:52]: "Use your noggin from time to time."

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

This is a stunner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, June 29, 2025. This is your award winning Kimonation Media assassination episode 1777. This is no Agenda now with less than one third adult content and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we all wonder whatever happened to Trini Lopez? I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Craig Vaughn]

It's Craig Vaughn.

[Buzz]

Buzz.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, I'm almost positive you have used that as an opening on the show before.

[Adam Curry]

I hope not.

[John C. Dvorak]

I may have to look it up. Second of all, if I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning. Wasn't that Trini Lopez?

[Adam Curry]

It was one of his songs. Yeah, it was. Of course. I think it was a Bob Seeger song. Not Bob Seger, but Bob Seger. Bob Seeger? No, the other Seeger. Pete Seeger, the folklore communist. And it just came to mind because I was watching the American Masters story about Bob Dylan.

[John C. Dvorak]

American Masters story? Is that different from the. The movie currently out?

[Adam Curry]

No, American Masters is a PBS thing. It's on every week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

They had one on Little Richard and Bob Dylan and I'm. Dylan was quite the character.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Buzz]

Boomer Talk on the 8th.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, it was on TV just the other day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just the fact that you're watching TV is now Boomer Talk. I gotta tell you, you know, I'm trying not to be irritated by it because obviously I don't feel like I'm a boomer, but because everyone knows it irritates me, it only exacerbates the problem. Problem. So they just think it's funny and they just keep doing it over and over. My kid, hey, dad. Boomer.

[Adam Curry]

Like.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you're, you're used to it because, well, golly, you actually are a boomer.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a real boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. I'm a real boomer. That should be.

[Adam Curry]

Not a bogus cusp. Cusp. Cusp. Cusp. Boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boomer adjacent, as we say boomer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're technically a boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you listen to. Listen, if you read the. You know, I'm sure you don't get any of this because even your Twitter, your X handle is. You know, it's not just John C. Dvorak, it's the real Dvorak. Whatever it is, no one can remember it.

[Adam Curry]

Your emails, so difficult.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Dvorak is Tough for the non boomers. Trust me. You know, you don't get the email. I mean it's. I mean I'm literally getting emails. Oh, enjoy sucking Trump off. I mean that's literally the stuff I deal with every single day. Every single day. It's unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

This is new.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not new. This is. By the way, it's thanks to you. Thanks to you saying you brought up the Jew hate on the last show and then everyone blames me. He's unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you know what, you know what?

[Adam Curry]

Adamadcurry.com is a lot easier to spell.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course this is my thesis and this is the kind of dimwits that would write in that, you know, they. I don't know how to spell curry. I think I can spell that because I had it for dinner.

[John C. Dvorak]

So listen to this here. I'll just give you a couple of. A couple of, a couple of examples.

[Adam Curry]

We're starting to show off with the bang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're starting with gems. I thought I was listening to the Mark Levin show there for a minute with the ridiculous Dvoraks. They're all just Jew haters line. This entire show was like Fox Boomer slop. Kind of like that one.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would you straw man a concerns of Zionism with Jew hatred? I'm not sure what that means actually.

[Adam Curry]

I don't either.

[John C. Dvorak]

They spent the first hour calling anyone who doesn't want to send Israel their billions and billions per year anti Semites and clarifying that Zionism is impossible and then cry the donations are slowing down because the low IQ boomers that eat this shit up are dying off.

[Adam Curry]

We ever said that anyone's dying off?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. Nor did we say. I think that criticized saying Zionism is impossible. I don't think we ever said that. How's multip border means that China's suddenly going to run the world and the US has to do things at the best of China. If the US can't compete without being a gangster, then the US deserves it. That's a good one. Adam Curry. Why are you acting like the government isn't of Israel, isn't controlling us? Can it be people within our government slash billionaires working for the benefit of Israel? Sometimes their interests overlap with the military industrial complex. Seriously, they lost me big time on this one. I haven't listened a ton but I always thought they were coming from a more conspiracy minded think outside the box angle. Seems like they took a sharp turn towards Boomercon Inc. What I know, I know it's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, but what is Boomercon?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Boomercon Inc. I don't know. I don't know. Like Neocon. Boomercon, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Boomercon, Neocon. Or maybe like Comic Con.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, in a way. Boomercon, Comic Con. Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So we have a big meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you imagine the Boomercon meetup? Oh, my goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Great. Hey, where's the door?

[John C. Dvorak]

And here's my favorite ridiculous. You guys are taking money from Israel. It's obvious. Your analysis is too upset.

[Adam Curry]

Where is this money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Your analysis is too absurd and biased to be believed as sincere. Just admitted and interview your daddy. Bb. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. The thing that somebody actually wrote that you're. Mate, you're starting to write your own.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm not making it to yourself.

[Adam Curry]

You're sleepwriting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can go right on my ex account and see it. It's all public. So the thing that baffles me, though. Wow. The thing that baffles me is that. And maybe people haven't been listening for a long time, but we have always just given our opinion, no matter how harsh the blowback. No matter how harsh. And we've taken the blowback time and time again. And then years later, people go, you know, you were kind of right about that mostly. I don't know. Was there anything that we really took a stand on that we were so incredibly wrong on? Never is this the. Never is this one. Is this the one. Finally, this is the one.

[Adam Curry]

No. So. So I have the aircraft carrier. That's all there is to it. Well, it's just that simple. What did that take a genius to figure it out?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this, you know, this is a very polarizing moment in. In America. And I think, because I really. I was reflecting on this is, you know, because you and I are indeed baffled. We're baffled by the. It's so obvious. History shows exactly what we have done to the state of Israel. You know, this was cooked up in 1974. I know it's a long time ago, and admittedly, even as a. As a. As a young boomer adjacent, I wasn't quite politically aware at the time. But the history books do show that the US Uses Israel for many things and many, many bad things. But also.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you know, you have to do. Sometimes you have to crack an egg to make an omelet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know, so. So there's. There's no doubt about that. But. But what has crept into the narrative. And this started several years ago with. So this is not new, but it started several years ago with no Agenda Social. If you recall, the whole reason that I said, hey, we got to disassociate.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it actually even began before that with no Agenda forums.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but no, that wasn't about Israel. No Agenda forums.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. No Agenda Social became a bunch of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was the most blocked instance on the Fediverse because people were just going insane with their, with literally Jew hate memes. That's what it was, but that's what it all. It always goes from Israel to, oh, there's another meme with the crook nose. Okay, very funny. But the more I look at this, the more I think about it, the more I see what's happening, which is really, it's really interesting how you have, I'd say non political people on the right, which is, I think that's pretty much. If you look at the old no agenda, the no authority crowd, they're not really political. They just think that Israel's running the show. And, and of course, you know, they're, they're, they are blackmailing everybody in Congress and they run our policy and we're all doing everything at the best at the behest of Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we have to stop right there and assume that the reason for this thought is an op.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. And I actually now I've been thinking, it's been on my heart. It really has been. It's like, hey, I'm a sensitive guy. These things affect me. They couldn't imprison President Trump. They couldn't kill him. I think this is the new attack vector to literally rip apart support for President Trump. And this issue of Israel is dividing people who are not left, but they're actually bringing them over to the, you know, the protesters at Colombia side. It's really, really interesting. So how do these two opposite sides of the spectrum unite? Now, personally, I'm sensitive to this issue because I grew up in the Netherlands. I played with kids and their grandmother would be there. She had numbers tattooed on her arm. And so I got a very different education in how Jew hate, how that got out of control. And when you think about it, when you think about Kanye west and Nick Fuentes and all these people who are blaming every problem in America, every problem with our policy is Israel. It wouldn't take much for a different president or leader, could even be a Republican, to say, you know, Israel really is the problem. And it wouldn't take much to get people riled up because we are, we are in accelerated idiocracy. That's my new version of AI. It's obvious that we are becoming stupid, but I'm pretty sure the people who do real psyops is the military industrial complex. It's all about them. It always has been. When did Eisenhower do his speech? Was that before I was born? Was that 19?

[Adam Curry]

What year were you born? I forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Almost 1965, but okay.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, no, it was. Yeah, well, he was still in office. He left office in 60.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. So this was.

[Adam Curry]

That was his last speech. One of his last speeches. Around 59, I believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. So before I was born. Just listen to this is worth replaying this bit because there's some things in here that you need to pay attention to. This is history.

[Adam Curry]

American makers of plowshares could, with time.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as required, make swords as well.

[Adam Curry]

But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. Three and a half million back before 1960. Just imagine how many people now work directly or indirectly in the military industrial complex. It must be at least tenfold.

[Adam Curry]

We annually spend on military security alone, more than the net income of all United States corporations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this conjunction of an immense military.

[Adam Curry]

Establishment and a large arms industry is.

[John C. Dvorak]

New in the American experience. It's new. The total influence, economic, political, even spiritual.

[Adam Curry]

Is felt in every city, every state.

[John C. Dvorak]

House, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development, yet we must not fail to.

[Craig Vaughn]

Comprehend its grave implications.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. Note, he's not saying Israel.

[Adam Curry]

The potential for the disastrous rise of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

[Adam Curry]

We should take nothing for granted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge.

[Adam Curry]

Industrial and military machinery of defense with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together. So I. So really and I got to talk about the military industrial complex for a second here and how I believe that it's. It may even be the dia and it's very easy to psyop. And they do this all the time. They're proud of it. They're proud of what they do on social media. They're proud of the people. They get on big podcast microphones. They love it. And they do this all the time. And if anything, they hide behind Israel with aipac because the money comes from the military industrial complex. A reminder, here's Massie, no friend of the Israel lobby, no friend even of President Trump, spelling it out very clearly where the money comes from. And the money that goes to Israel does not go into Israel's coffers.

[Adam Curry]

There's no big, giant grape Great Britain lobby. There's no Australian lobby.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no German lobby.

[Adam Curry]

The other countries don't have them.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, not like this.

[Adam Curry]

This is singular.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is unique.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, if you're an ally, why wouldn't we work with you? Why do you have to convince us that you're our ally? Why do you have to basically go into every congressional office and convince them? And it's because they want to keep the money flowing and that they've got a good return on their investment. I mean, we send more foreign aid to Israel than to any other country. Yeah, they're like 10 million people or something. Yeah, I think Tennessee.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know the population in Tennessee.

[Adam Curry]

But it's probably about on that order.

[Craig Vaughn]

Yeah, I think this year they said.

[Adam Curry]

We spent like $12 billion. But that's not actual dollars. It's in military aid, right? Yeah, it's. Well, it's dollars in conditions. Treasury. Yeah, but it's not like we give them. It's a gift cert that's redeemable at Lockheed Martin and your local Raytheon, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, got it. That's the point. And the military has always shaped our culture. In Hollywood, they have the biggest budgets for the movies. You see Top Gun, Rocky. Remember the shake with wrestling. Come on. It's not. It's not the Jews making up this idea. This. The military industrial complex has made the Iron Shake. The Iron Shake. Thank you. The Iron Shake.

[Adam Curry]

I have his autograph on a photo. I sit right by this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure you do. So what have we heard recently? Oh, the grid's going down. Chinese military age, men. Russia's going to take over all of Europe. China is buying up all the land. None of it, none of it comes to fruition. My own military industrial complex handlers tried this on me since this Iran thing rose, you know. Oh, yeah. Israel. Because I know it. I know who they are. I know what they're sending me. And, you know, and I. And I just ignore it. And they stop eventually because, like, nah, Curry. Yeah, he's no good. I bet you every Single pod good.

[Adam Curry]

This guy's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we're also.

[Adam Curry]

We a new handler at him.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're irrelevant. We're just two boomers. We are boomers on a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

We have about a million people, and they're all. Would you call them, a fringe?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They think for themselves anyway. So with. With or without us, they'd probably, you know, have their own opinions.

[John C. Dvorak]

However, if you and I weren't who we. Who we are right now, first of all, you'd have a vinegar book, and I would probably have Ryan Seacrest career. But that's not who we are. I don't know why, but we just, like, no, I'm not interested in. Go along to get along. I've never done any of that. And I think that many people, podcasters, ironically, podcasters, they have audience capture and they see these. They get these messages. Oh, crap. Well, let me look into this. Well, yeah, what are we sending to Israel? And they don't have a. The age and the knowledge of history or maybe even have cracked a book from time to time or gone back and looked at something like, where did this really come from? And this op, I think, is meant to undermine Trump. And Trump is making a big mistake. He should be honest with the American people and tell everybody really what's going on. Because now we have no gone. Gone is the talk of immigration, inflation, even Russia. Ukraine is on the back burner tariffs. None of this is important. And I think this op is broad. It's been thought about. Someone smart is doing this. Fox News. It all clicked into place for me all of a sudden. Of course, Fox is run by the Democrats. Democrats run Fox News. So what did they do? They put that moron Levin on prime time, hype him up. He's got all the promos, and all he's talking about is Israel. Israel. That pisses everybody off. It's a divisionary tactic. The same for the Five. And I don't watch. I don't watch Greg Gutfeld. I'm sure he just does dumb jokes at night. And who and when did this really start? This started with Elon, and I think Elon's just weak. Whatever they did. Elon, look at this. Elon, see what we're doing? We're getting everyone to burn your cars. How much more can you stand? Elon, you better denounce Trump. One of the Doge guys, he's now moving over to Colorado, came to visit me before they left, and I said, well, this is about China. And he said, no, no, aipac. Aipac. It's Israel. They run the whole government. They got the goods and everybody. Which to me means that's what Doge was thinking. That's what Elon was thinking. So all of this is working very, very well because you got Marjorie Taylor Greene going on Tucker saying, oh, I'm sick and tired of Israel. And Trump is, you know what happened to him? And it's all over. It is. It is he. President Trump needs to come out and just say it. This was about China. And thank you to the Israelis, not Israel, not Bibi Netanyahu. Thank you to the Mossad. You should say it. Thank you to the Mossad because they helped us send the message loud and clear. And luckily, I can find some compatriots in this. Mike Baker has a podcast and he had Steven Yates on.

[Adam Curry]

I have a Mike Baker podcast clip today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wow. Okay. Well, I'll play mine.

[Adam Curry]

Well, mine is about. Mine is about as a. Look, when you're done with this little thing you're doing. Yes, your little thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

My little thing I'm doing here.

[Adam Curry]

Your little thing. I'm gonna talk about the. About spooks on the podcast and the deconstruction of that phony baloney DIA memo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, excellent. Which to me was also complete DIA propaganda. Hey, we need to have more bombs. You got to have more stuff. Got to be worried. Oh, sleeper cells. Sleeper cells everywhere. Bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, Iranians really warm up to American culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very much so.

[Adam Curry]

Anybody say? I'm reminded of an old Saturday night bit where these sleeper cells. This is from years ago during. I forgot what period of. Of terrorism it was. But the Saturday night bit was these sleeper cells were sitting there were in Armonk, New York, or someplace in a suburb, and they got a call. So, okay, it's time to take action. So I got my wife and kids. I got to go to a little league game this afternoon. What are you doing here with me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, dude, remember? When was it? Just before Christmas. They were worried about a dirty bomb exploding, and the guy was filming me for some bitcoin documentary and he was calling up his kids and like, oh, I got to get him out of New York. I got to get him into the center of the country because of the dirty bomb. I don't remember what hoax that was. And by the way, when you go after the Jews and Israel, slash the Jews, you automatically go after the Christians. You see, because that's exactly what happened between Tucker and Ted Cruz, who was ill prepared.

[Adam Curry]

No kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the American church is weak. It's weak. They won't stand up and say, no, that's bullcrap. It's weak.

[Adam Curry]

I would agree with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's very weak. There's people trying to.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, the whole. In fact, this recent Supreme Court's justice showed how weak the American church is. It was a Muslim that pulled the plug on all the porn in grammar school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Curry]

It was the Muslims that had the nerve to do it. Did. Christians didn't do anything about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're very confused and they've been beaten down by stuff like the separation clause. Non existent separation clause. So there's all kind. We have a spiritual problem in America. There's not a political problem. So now I want to play thank God we have Mike Baker and Stephen Yates to talk some sense into everybody about what really took place, which was China got a wake up call from President Trump in the immediate aftermath.

[Adam Curry]

We've heard very little from China. What do you make of the Chinese reaction and mindset towards what's happened regarding Iran?

[Craig Vaughn]

Well, my first assumption is that they, like most of the world, including a lot of Americans, did not realize this was actually going to happen. And I think that they were probably thrown a bit when they saw the B2s going to Guam, that is getting close to the area they like to operate in. And then all of a sudden, before they really get any other news, some things go boom, boom in Iran from another area. So a little bit of a head fake probably made them spin a bit. But they also were a little high on their own supply in giving Pakistan some weapons. And they thought that the recent skirmish between India and Pakistan saw Pakistan maybe besting some technology the Indians had. And all of a sudden the world sees that American stealth technology actually works, that we can actually have an operation without leaks. And I think that probably put a pin in one of the balloons of China is on the rise. Inevitably, the next boss on the block, America's on decline and you better make a deal with the new boss. So I bet they had a big, big, deep breath to contemplate what just happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I mentioned, I think four or five shows ago, be on the lookout for the term multipolar world, because that's what this is about. And I will, I remain as an American. I'm glad because I don't want the Chinese running the show. Call me a douchebag, call me an imperialist, whatever. Best price is not my culture. So what is the relationship between Iran and China?

[Adam Curry]

Talk to me, if you could, about the extent, the nature of the relationship between Iran and China, and then also in context with China's response in the aftermath of the attacks. Are you surprised at their reaction? Which, I mean, to me or to anybody who's not an expert on China, we look at it and go, that's pretty hands off from their perspective.

[Craig Vaughn]

Yeah, well, yeah, because they have been giving a political narrative out to the world that together with Moscow and Tehran and maybe Pyongyang and a few others, they were trying to create this alternative universe that was going to be multipolar and balance against the bad Americans. And it was gonna. They were gonna have their own currency, be a reserve currency. All this pie in the sky stuff about what they were gonna do in the world. And so if you believe that narrative and there's some truth to their trying to at least stoke those ideas, then this does look like conspicuous pulling back from someone who's supposed to be an ally getting walloped. And you're like, whoa, you're on your own. I don't really know who you are.

[Adam Curry]

But.

[Craig Vaughn]

But Iran's response by threatening to shut off the Straits of Hormuz, that was definite no go zone for China, because they are still very dependent on a lot of energy from the Gulf, not just buying a lot of Iranian oil, which they have done, but from other sources, too. And so my guess is they were conveying that privately to Tehran. And I think that they did have a national interest in there not being a wider conflict because it would have a material impact on their economic forecast. They can't be the manufacturing supply platform for the world without that dose of natural gas and oil from the Gulf.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so when President Trump comes out and says, hey, thanks to the IDF and the Mossad and Bibi and whatever, yeah, he's right.

[Adam Curry]

It's always seemed that the Chinese regime has been giddy anytime the US Gets.

[Craig Vaughn]

Mired in some sort of overseas conflict.

[Adam Curry]

You know, again, if you go with the theory that the regime, the Chinese.

[Craig Vaughn]

Regime always acts in its own best.

[Adam Curry]

Interest, they looked at it and said, well, it's not in our best interests.

[John C. Dvorak]

If this thing escalates.

[Craig Vaughn]

Well, and I think they'll still play some politics, but basically, they are a chaser, not a maker in this. So they see the situation. What do you mean by that? So they're not driving events, they're chasing events. And so when this breaks out, number one, ISRA proves capable to do nearly miraculous things to the Iranians. That has to freak the Chinese out, because Israel is not a major power. Israel's not one of these poles in this balancing act that they thought they were going to try to come out on top with this multipolar world. And, of course, Israel has advanced technology. They have been fighting. They know how to fight. They also know how to do real intelligence, I think, stunningly effective intelligence in the way these things played out. And all of that, I think, has to freak China out, because if you look at what the Ukrainians were able to do with drones deep into Russia, and then you look what the Israelis were able to do deep into Iran, not just with drones, but human intelligence, placing people in vital positions. They had basically Tehran's complete, complete playbook. And they were striking with unbelievable precision, where there's just a burnt black hole in one flat, in one building, killing one top military advisor. That's the kind of stuff that creeps the Chinese out, that someone could do to them at some point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. And I wish President Trump would just do a Ross Perot, come out, draw with your Sharpie, say, look here, look, people, here's what the world is like right now. Here are the options. This is what we're doing instead. And yes, you either have the military force or you don't.

[Adam Curry]

And all your reference to Ross Perot is lost on half the audience. But you're absolutely correct about.

[Buzz]

Hello, Boomer Talk on the 8th.

[Adam Curry]

Explain what Ross Perot used to do. I'm still amazed that no one else has ever done this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he used to buy half an hour of airtime on the networks when he was running as an independent, and he'd come out, then he'd say, all right, people, here's the money, here's what we got, here's what we owe. And he'd do it like a budget at home.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he'd also have. He'd have these little drawings, and he'd draw these little very good drawings that were obviously, you know, somebody else did, and he just reproduced them. And he was. He could have become President of the United States as a president, except until somebody showed him a picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they threatened his family, I think, is what they did. We're going to kill your family if you don't get out of the way. Because he was really disrupting that election.

[Adam Curry]

So it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, I don't think President Trump is capable of doing something like that. He just. He can't talk, which is a problem. And I don't know where J.D. vance is, but J.D. vance used to be the Trump whisperer and could explain it and translate that, at least during the campaign, you know, so you get what you, what you get is you get conversations with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker that go like this.

[Buzz]

Since I've become a member of Congress, since 2021, we have voted on 22 resolutions for Israel. 22 of them, all kinds of resolutions, you know, denouncing antisemitism, supporting Israel. We voted on 22 of those. We never vote on resolutions proclaiming great things about America.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, a resolution is meaningless. We do resolutions about a hundred things that are stupid. It's a resolution. Yeah. We all agree on this. Yeah, we agree on it. Okay, we agree on it. It's just military industrial complex nonsense and cover up. When will people this ending Certain Americans, I hope. No, I have hopes for America.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Americans in general.

[Buzz]

But we have voted on 22 resolutions in the House defending Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many of you voted yes on?

[Buzz]

I don't know my exact record. The last one I voted no on and then the one before that I voted present because I just started getting sick of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's kind of it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean I never really, I've always noticed this, certainly in the last, I.

[Buzz]

Don'T know how many years, it's been.

[Adam Curry]

A while where Republicans in the Congress are always talking about Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not against Israel.

[Adam Curry]

I've always liked Israel. So I don't, haven't really noticed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, fine, love Israel, love any country whatever. But it feels like something has changed. Clearly it has for you. What is that thing?

[Buzz]

Well, I think here's the situation. It's coming to a point where it's so obvious all the time in everyone's language, the social media posts they put out, the statements that they make. They have to proclaim Israel. They have to proclaim their, their faith and loyalty in Israel and how they, you know, Israel is our greatest ally. And it's a statement that has to be made over and over and over again to the point it's becoming like, wait a minute, what about our own country? What about our own people?

[John C. Dvorak]

That is the talking point. That is she is doing exactly, exactly what they want her to do. It's spot.

[Adam Curry]

Well, who's they?

[John C. Dvorak]

The military, the defense base, the defense industrial base.

[Adam Curry]

But what are they getting out of that? I agree with you, by the way. I think this whole thing is like a giant, very well structured op. And I think there was an element of keeping the Jews in their place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course they're abusing the Jews themselves.

[Adam Curry]

You guys just shut up for a minute. You're a bunch of intellectual bullets book bookish types.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up. Y' all shut up. They were using you.

[Adam Curry]

We're gonna, you know, you shut up. We're gonna do this and that and we're gonna hate on Israel for a while because it draws attention. There's some, it's, it's too. A little to. For my taste. It's a little too complicated. And I think you might feel the same way by, by asking Trump to explain it when he's never going to explain. It's not his thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, but the thing is when she says, well, hold on, what about immigration? The president won the election on immigration. Inflation down, what eggs cost. I mean tariffs. He is doing everything he said for America, including scurrying off the Chinese out of the Middle East. And Africa. And Africa.

[Adam Curry]

The Africa thing is interesting. Is the most interesting part of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually have the, you know, I have that clip here.

[Adam Curry]

The agreement. Sorry, I was gonna say, by the way, we don't have any clips on this, but all hell is breaking loose in Kenya. Gen Z kids in Kenya of all places. Kenya.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Are. It just is pride control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pride stuff. Is it pride stuff?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's not pride stuff. It's about taxes really.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is Manga Africa News. But they actually. Exactly. And we talked about this before anyone was talking about this truce. The agreement signed Friday between Congo and.

[Adam Curry]

Rwanda has been touted by many as a major step towards ending years of war in Congo's east.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this analyst says mineral wealth is just one of the many drivers of.

[Adam Curry]

Conflict in the region and not the only one. Find also Western parties like the UN US have owned mined before in the. In the eastern drc. Of course, during the Obama administration they sold some of these mines to China.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What? What? Obama sold some of those mines to China.

[Adam Curry]

The eastern drc. Of course, during the Obama administration they sold some of these mines to China which owns a lot of mines in eastern drc. And parties to the conflict to this day are still very focused on their interest in these mineral resources.

[John C. Dvorak]

While the agreement principally concerns the states.

[Adam Curry]

Of Congo and Rwanda, there are dozens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of armed groups and proxy forces in the picture which could complicate any chances.

[Adam Curry]

Of a lasting peaceful solution. There's a disconnect between the high level peace building, the ones we see on tv, the Qatar process and the AU led Luanda Angola process. These peace processes have not led to any tangible agreement for over 30 years that this conflict has gone on. And we are seeing that there's a gap that these two high level peace building and the grassroots peace building are not connecting.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of those Groups is Rwanda backed.

[Adam Curry]

M23, with which Congo is holding separate talks mediated by Qatar.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's not over. I mean, yeah, we've got the high level peace. We're going to send military down there to keep the peace.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the thing that we do, the Chinese don't do down there. The Chinese have used all kinds of techniques, mostly in the form of bribery by, we're going to build roads, we're going to build a dam, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. They put a bunch of Chinese laborers in there, of course, and so they can actually get the job done. But we've been in Africa, africom, bombing, more bombing going on down there over the years, the last few decades we've been bombing and we got people there. It's just never reported. Nobody discusses it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, back to my original premise.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump, don't trust China. China is asshole.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is what is going on here. And I'm just sad, I really am, that our own people, that they cannot get past the Israel thing and they just, they are so convinced because the OP has been going on for years. It is maybe, it maybe never even stopped after World War II as far as I'm concerned. But it has always been about military. Yeah, there's a lot of people who love killing people. A lot of people in our elite circles, a lot. There's definitely people in Congress who like killing people. They're sick. But I truly think President Trump knows what he's doing in this particular case. He also listens poorly. I would feel a lot better if he said, you know, that vaccine sucked, you know, but instead his ego gets in the way and he go, operation Warp Speed. I saved millions of lives. Bleh.

[Adam Curry]

He hasn't brought warp speed up for a long time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, but Emea culpa from time to time humanizes.

[Adam Curry]

He knows what happens when you start talking about, about vaccines. This Kennedy's his front man for this. Kennedy's doing what he can and every time he turns around, he's slammed by people in Congress and everybody else. Gonna kill us all if we don't have more vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got some stuff on that later. But also the Panama Canal, you know, that was for our benefit. Everyone gets the nose out of joint. Pun intended. Yeah. Oh, what's he doing now? He's doing it for America and I think indirectly for the world. And you know what? The eu, they're going to jump right into bed with bricks. They are weak. Queen Ursula is already talking about A new wto, you know. Oh, we got to, you know, we got to avoid the mistakes of the past. They're going to be completely owned and run by Chinese culture.

[Adam Curry]

Culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Culture of surveillance. You know, I think we're still kind of fighting it here. Kind of maybe lost.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't take such a dim view of that. The latest BRICS conference. Putin and Xi didn't. Neither one of them showed up. Let the rest of them hang out.

[John C. Dvorak]

When was the conference?

[Adam Curry]

It was just like a couple days ago. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gee, is that a coincidence?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not coincidence at all, but the point is, is that we put a little pressure on the situation by being ourselves. And the next thing you know, these guys bailing out of their own operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. But.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't see the. I don't see that the Europeans are. Yeah, I agree, they're weak, but they're not going with this crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hope not. But they're. They're pretty far down the road as far as I'm concerned. So anyway, let's.

[Adam Curry]

Are with the surveillance state. That's got to stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's too far.

[Adam Curry]

They love the Brits are got. Are completely out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So, you know, and it's all funny and we can all do memes, but people in the uk, they're beside themselves. What has happened? What has happened to our country?

[Adam Curry]

Well, Ireland's another example.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it all just kind of gets swept under the rug. So this president has done amazing things. Please try and not get so hung up on this Israel meme, you know? Oh, they're killing. Yeah. Israel sucks. What they're doing in Palestine. To the Palestinians, there's no country Palestine. I even fall for it myself, you know, but why won't any other country in the Middle east take the Palestinians? You know, so it's. Use your. Use your noggin from time to time. You can yell at me all you want, and I.

[Adam Curry]

And I advise it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, I'd say to the American church, you've got to get out there. You've got to. You've got to calm people down. You've got to bring people to Jesus, otherwise we're lost. Nothing else can save us. All right, go into your DIA stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's just me.

[Adam Curry]

I think you're taking a dim view.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I was taking a dm.

[Adam Curry]

So the DIA leak was interesting because it brought me to these. These, These guys that do that are ex spooks, including Mike Baker, who are doing these Analysis. They're doing these analysis podcasts, which I think are, generally speaking, not as good as they could be. But I did discover the right report, and I think this guy, who's very happy with his voice, he really thinks he should be a broadcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, does he puke a lot?

[Adam Curry]

That's pretty close to it. And Baker and him kind of have competing podcasts, and Baker actually has the President's Daily Briefing. The other guy started his podcast and called it the President's Daily Briefing, then quickly changed into the right report because of these things do happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

No way. But the clip I got from him was from the Presidential Daily Briefing. So that was because.

[Adam Curry]

That's because Baker has that. The other guy who had the President's Daily Briefing after Baker. Baker already established it. Oh, I see. Didn't know about Bakers or something. I don't know how that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, podcast wars. Podcast wars.

[Adam Curry]

A little podcast wars going on. So he changed it from the President's Daily Briefing to the right report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But they both discussed, and I thought it was interesting because I think Wright is a little spookier than Baker. Baker's more of a fi. I mean, Baker's. He comes on Gutfeld quite a bit, and he plays the. The CIA spook on the show, and they defer to him a lot for that. And he doesn't really bring much spy craft to the show, and he doesn't even to his own show. He does some good interviews like the one you played, but he doesn't give us any insight or any feelings toward. You don't get the impression that he's currently really ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not ready.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You get this sense that he's just doing the news. And so his Daily Briefing is not. I don't think is. Is that valuable of a piece of podcasting. But let's listen to what Mike Baker talks about when he talks about it. Got a little clip here on his. His. He went on for 15 minutes about the DIA leak, but it was mostly. And this. We're talking about the leaked memo, which they're trying to track down. Who leaked it? I think it's a congressman. They. And Jesse Waters says he thinks he knows who it is. Exactly. Someone in an intelligence committee. And Baker goes on forever about it, and he never. This is pretty much what he says over and over again. This is. Is his take on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Di Leak DIA League by Mike Baker.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Is that the assessment was labeled, quote, low confidence and in intelligence speak. Well, that's an important descriptor. A Low confidence assessment means analysts don't have enough verified, high quality information to reach a solid conclusion. It's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. What is he trying to do? Casey Cason? He sounds almost like AI yes, he.

[Adam Curry]

Does sound like AI, but he, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is his, that's his read.

[Adam Curry]

He, he, this is he. I can't explain what he's trying to do, but he's trying to sound like.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now we have a long, long distance dedication.

[Adam Curry]

I have with the modern. Some of these guys, they're using techniques, radio announcer techniques from the 50s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they're trying to sound like an old radio announcer and it just doesn't work anymore. The natural voices, like the ones, the ones like I employ where I stutter and stammer and I can't pronounce things correctly and I can't type right. It's just, it's an amateur hour sound that really has the current modern appeal.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now we go to Mike Baker talking about the DIA leak on the right report.

[Adam Curry]

A low confidence assessment. No, he's not on the right report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Add the other report.

[Adam Curry]

Analysts don't have enough verified, high quality information to reach a solid conclusion. It's essentially educated guesswork. The evidence may be thin, contradictory, or based on sources that aren't fully vetted. It doesn't mean that the report is necessarily wrong, but it does mean that it's speculative. Analysts are essentially saying, look, this is one possible interpretation, but we're not betting all the marbles on it. So when a report like that gets leaked while still being categorized as low confidence, well, it's a major red flag. It's not supposed to be treated as fact. It's supposed to be kept in house while the full picture develops. Second point, the timing and framing of this leak raises serious questions about motives. This wasn't a full review. It was a preliminary snapshot, likely updated daily as new intelligence comes in. Yet someone chose to leak it just days after the strikes. And they did so in a way that casts doubt on the mission's success. That suggests someone wanted to get ahead of the official narrative, maybe to discredit the administration, maybe to apply political pressure, or maybe for whatever reason to create confusion. And for whatever that reason may be, selectively leaking a speculative early stage report is a classic move in the world of information warfare. The ultimate truth on this matter is that we won't know the full extent of the damage or the status of Iran's nuclear program for weeks, maybe even months until inspectors can get back on the ground. And frankly, that's always provided A limited view, anyway. And until more intelligence is gathered from credible human sources with access, well, everything else is just guesswork.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's what bugs me about this.

[Adam Curry]

Besides the fact that he's reading it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It doesn't matter. The mission was sending messages.

[Adam Curry]

Don't go there. This is not what we're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

I understand.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but you can. No, you bring that up after I bring up the other stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the second thing, I think it was a big mistake to have Hegseth, who's lost his marbles.

[Adam Curry]

Really, this is the most disappointing guy because he's a professional broadcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you bring out some dude with a lot of fruit salad? You know, it's like. Well, you know, we are. I'm a. I'm a.

[Adam Curry]

When Kane came out, he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but they pushed him aside. Hegseth mugged the stage. Hegseth is the problem. He's the lightning rod.

[Adam Curry]

No, they should have brought Korilla out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anybody but Hegseth. It was a mistake.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's a nice aside, but let's go back to the point here, which is we got these two spooks doing podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, what about us? Aren't we two spooks doing a podcast?

[Adam Curry]

We're not spooks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the problem. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

We're just independent. It's not a problem, believe me. So we have. So Wright has. He's. He's better, and you'll see, and I think he's ready. And I think he's. He's actually still on the payroll, because in the second clip, I got two clips from him discussing this DIA thing. On the second clip, you tell me he's not working for somebody when he comes up with what he says. But let's listen to his intro. Now, you're gonna. If you didn't like Mike Baker's presentation, you're gonna hate this guy. He's over the top with his phony baloney announcer voice and his ridiculous modulation over the. Just crazy modulation. But his analysis of the DIA leak is far superior.

[Craig Vaughn]

Axios News and the Washington Free Beacon report that the intel assessment from the Defense Intelligence Agency that, of course, suggested that these strikes on Iran fell short. Well, that assessment was actually based on bad intel and bad judgment. Here's what we know. Apparently, Di.

[Adam Curry]

An.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's what we know. Let's go to the video tape.

[Craig Vaughn]

Let's use some early satellite images for part of their assessment, but mostly something called signals intelligence, or sigint. In this case, they used captured Phone calls from Iranian nuclear and military personnel who were calling back into headquarters elements to provide situation reports or sit record. Well, that was a problem for a couple reasons. First, these Iranians knew or suspected that their phones were being tapped. So they were feeding false information into their phone calls, hoping that the west would pick it up and think it was real. And allegedly that is what happened. Second, other personnel in Iran were relaying good news only back to their regime headquarters because they didn't want to be candid about how bad things were really out there in the field back to their senior leaders. And that is the other stream of intel used by the DIA analysts. Just inaccurate. So when the subsequent DIA report was leaked, Israeli officials were working on their own assessment and they saw it and they were totally befuddled. Their sources on the ground in Iran knew that Operation Midnight Hammer was a great success. Plus, the folks at Mossad knew that some Iranian military personnel were trying to feed disinformation using their phones. In fact, fact, they had been for some time. So Mossad was very careful about not consuming the bad intel or mixing it in with the good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother. Spy versus spy story here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but this makes me think this guy's a little more in tune.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Baker, who I think is just news, a news reader. So. So now to convince you, or to at least they convinced me, that this guy is definitely CIA is what he comes up with, his solution to the problem of correcting this disastrous report in.

[Craig Vaughn]

Part two, unfortunately, the analysts at the Defense Intel Agency were not so careful nor professional. They wrote it up all as true, slapped on a low confidence assessment, and off it went uncoordinated with other U.S. intel partners who. Who might have been a little bit more professional. And that's when it leaked. While the Israelis continue to believe that last weekend's strikes have profoundly degraded Iran's nuclear program, they're still collecting intel and have yet to create their own battle damage assessment like the DIA's. That was leaked. And that is because, as one Israeli official explained to Axios News, a professional battle damage assessment takes time. Well, that is true. And that is apparently something lost on the Iran analyst's at the dia. Pivoting to quick analysis and opinion. Here is what I would advise President Trump to do. First, the head of the dia.

[Adam Curry]

He's gotta go.

[Craig Vaughn]

He's gotta be fired. It's a Lieutenant General Jeffrey Cruz. He might be a wonderful man, but look, the buck stops with him. Second, the heads of the analytical components involved in this report should be fired, effective immediately. Third, Every single person who wrote, edited, or coordinated on this DIA product has got to be placed on unpaid leave, effective immediately. The point, all in, is that we have got to freeze the DIA's Iran shop, at least so that they don't do further damage to the intel community, or more importantly, our national security. So all that is true. But I gotta tell you, there's something else. Based on my time in the intel community, there is something very rotten going on inside of the dia. This trash report did not get drafted, edited, and released by otherwise good people who were just trying to do the good thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Oh.

[Craig Vaughn]

This report violated basic analytical tradecraft. All right. It's the stuff that you would learn on day one as an analyst. They did the opposite. They just threw that stuff out. So that means that this report was not just some accident. It was so bad, it was willful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I liked it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We got too many intelligence agencies.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you kidding? No. Yeah. Like what, 17 agencies are all fighting with each other and they all want the money. All the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You saw that in that thing. You fire that guy? I looked that guy up, and he looks like a bonehead. He's a Biden appointee. In fact, he's one of the few people I've seen where you look him up in the wiki page, and it actually says under the picture of him, you know, they have the little rundown. Yeah, it says under the picture of him. I've never seen this on anybody. Any generals or anything else. It says under the picture. It says affiliation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Joe Biden. What is that supposed to mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wikipedia thing, man. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, well, it's all a mess. And I. I hate to say it, I always thought DIA was better, but they. They suck just as bad. They so much. They are responsible for so much bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think. I think we both thought DIA was better, but it's obvious they're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no.

[Adam Curry]

And I think Navy Intelligence still stays away from them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, that's Bannon, though. There's your Navy Intelligence.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But there's also Woodward, Navy Intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. By the way, I got a note from Sir Jake. He says that the word is that Trump has forbid Hegseth from drinking while he's Secretary of Defense. And that means that everybody's grumpy because there's no booze at all at any of the events.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's interesting. That could be why he's on edge.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He's Probably a guy who likes to take the edge off with a couple of belts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bourbon, a little bourbon there.

[Adam Curry]

I could see him with a bourbon on the rocks. It would be what it would be on a tumbler, in the tumbler. And he has. Now he can't drink because he's, you know, he'll follow orders, he won't drink. And now he's grumpy going after poor Jennifer, my favorite analyst on Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jennifer, what's now, we have to always take into account that from the Iranians slash Persians, who we know, the boots on the ground, we get that there is a, always a very, a lot of conviction in Iran that Iran and America work together and create nice theater for different reasons under different presidents. And Iran is not like one big Muslim country. They're an amalgam of all kinds of people. But anyway, here's.

[Adam Curry]

There's a number of ethnic groups within the country for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's Hegseth doubling down as now the Khamenei has come out and said.

[Adam Curry]

Something.

[Buzz]

How destructive were the US Airstrikes on Iran? Did they completely destroy the facilities and obliterate Iran's nuclear capabilities, as the Trump administration continues to claim, or did they only set it back a few months, as a leaked report from the intelligence arm of the Pentagon asserts? When asked about whether any of the nuclear material was moved before the strikes, the US Secretary of defense lashed out.

[Adam Curry]

There's been a lot of discussion about.

[Craig Vaughn]

What happened and what didn't happen.

[Adam Curry]

Step back for a second.

[Craig Vaughn]

Because of decisive military action, President Trump created the conditions to end the war.

[Adam Curry]

Decimating. Choose your word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoops. Decimating. Whoops. Whoops.

[Craig Vaughn]

Obliterating. Destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities.

[Buzz]

Adding to the confusion, the director of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, now says the strikes did destroy key sites, but stopped short of declaring that Iran's nuclear program was wiped out. Meanwhile, the Financial Times is reporting that preliminary intelligence assessments provided to European government indicate that Iran's stockpile of uranium was not concentrated at Fordo at the time of last week's attack, but had already been moved to other locations. This comes as Tehran acknowledged its facilities sustained significant damage. However, in his first remarks since Iran's ceasefire with Israel, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei asserted that the United States had gained nothing.

[Adam Curry]

They attacked our nuclear facilities, which would of course merit criminal prosecution in international.

[John C. Dvorak]

Courts, but they didn't achieve anything significant.

[Adam Curry]

The US President exaggerated events in an unusual way, and it turned out he needed this exaggeration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone who heard these words understood there's.

[Adam Curry]

Another truth behind it, they could not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Achieve the objective they set for themselves.

[Buzz]

The only way to know for sure is with on site inspection. But Tehran has just passed a law and in cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the global nuclear watchdog says it's yet to receive any official notification on the matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, Rob, the constitutional lawyer did what I asked him to do. He gave us a 353 word report summary on the if President Trump committed a war crime and also added to that a short rundown on the authorized use of military force. And you have to know Rob was a jag. So he comes from the business and. No, of course not. Of course it was not a war crime under the Geneva Convention. But that's in the show notes under Iran. If you want to go take a look at that. Even 353 words a little bit too long to read on the show.

[Adam Curry]

I like the fact that Coleman E. Has become slightly a Baghdad Bob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, a little bit. But yeah. What's always jarring to me is he has that picture of himself in the background.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's, no, that's, that's the original guy. Oh, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's the OG guy. I'm like, wow, he looked a lot better in the picture.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, that's the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's the OG guy. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'd say we can go back to business and we can go back and what are we fighting with Canada now? I think we're fighting with Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Well, I don't know what that's about. That's some sort of strange distraction. Yeah, Plague. Plague. Because there's no explanation for it. Carney never came out and said why he's doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, I have, I have him on. Okay, here. Oh yeah. You'll be surprised.

[Buzz]

Canada's digital services tax on foreign tech giants has sparked a fierce US Backlash with Donald Trump deciding to halt all trade talks with Ottawa. In a post on truth social, the U.S. president called Canada's decision a direct and blatant attack on the U.S. accusing it of copying the European country's actions and warning of a new tariff response.

[Adam Curry]

Based on this egregious tax. We are hereby terminating all discussions on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trade with Canada effect immediately.

[Adam Curry]

We will let Canada know the tariff that they will be paying to do business with the United States of America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Within the next seven day period. I'm always so disappointed they don't read the thank you for your attention to this matter line of the tweet. But okay.

[Buzz]

Canada's digital Services tax, which is set to take effect on Monday, is a new levy expected to cost the largest American tech giants billions of dollars dollars. Companies like Amazon, Google, Uber, and Airbnb offering digital services and earning over $20 million in revenue from Canadian sources will be taxed 3% on the money they make from Canadian users and customers. The decision comes as Canada and the.

[Adam Curry]

US were deep in negotiation to ease.

[Buzz]

Trump's 25% tariffs on Canadian goods, which within months had resulted in major economic dislocation, job losses, and a drop in southbound exports. But the two leaders who met at the G7 in Alberta last week agreed to solve the trade dispute within 30 days. The Canadian Prime Minister spoke to reporters, assuring that despite Trump's recent decision, Canada would not back down.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll continue to conduct these complex negotiations in the best interests of Canadians. It's negotiation. That's all that it is. Carney thinks he can play the Trump game. Okay, okay. That'll be fun to watch.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. That's exactly what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He pulls this stunt, I'll do the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can. I can negotiate. So at least he's trying. I'll give him that. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, that's been negotiating. You know, this is what you do in negotiation. Queen Ursula now, she. She does. She's way, way outside of her lane.

[Buzz]

I brief leaders on the current state of play in our trade talks with the United States. President Trump and I had a good discussion at the G7 summit in Canada. Back then, we agreed to speed up the work with a clear goal, an agreement, before the 9th of July. Today, we received the latest US document for further negotiations. We are assessing it as we speak right now. So I'm message today is clear. We are ready for a deal.

[Craig Vaughn]

At the same time, we are preparing.

[Buzz]

For the possibility that no satisfactory agreement is reached. This is why we consulted on a rebalancing list, and we will defend the European interest as needed. In short, all options remain on the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is technocrat. This is not going to work. All options remain on the table. No, you got to do something like Carney did, you know, be a douche. That's not how it's not going to work.

[Adam Curry]

She's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she's no good. Meanwhile, it's like the Supreme Court of the United States just woke up and went, oh, you know, we should probably look at some of that stuff. Yeah, maybe. Maybe nationwide injunctions aren't really something that should happen. I think this is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Republicans and Democrats have both complained about this, but they would have continued to do this had they not overdone it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, exactly. Well, here's the report.

[Adam Curry]

This is such a big day.

[Buzz]

The Supreme Court ruled federal district courts issuing nationwide injunctions likely exceeded the authority granted to them by Congress. The issue was brought to the court in the case over President Trump's executive order ending birthright citizenship and challenged the ability of one court to put a country wide hold on an executive order.

[Adam Curry]

It gives gives power back to people that should have it, including Congress, including the presidency.

[Buzz]

94 districts and 35 out of the 40 opinions with nationwide. And John, injunctions came from five liberal districts in this country. No longer. California is one of those five districts referenced. And during the Trump administration news conference, California Attorney General Rob Bonta joined attorneys general from other states to call for a nationwide injunction.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm hopeful that the court will see that a patchwork of state injunctions where birthright citizenship stands for some states but not others, would inevitably create administrative chaos.

[Adam Curry]

Sparking widespread confusion and spurring questions we don't have the answers to.

[Buzz]

California Governor Gavin Newsom issued this statement, saying in part, while the executive order is still temporarily blocked from going into effect, the decision is deeply disappointing. Loyola Law Professor Jessica Levinson predicts how this plays out in the short term. The Trump administration is going to go back to federal district judges that issued these nationwide injunctions and say, you don't have the power to do this. You need to provide more limited release relief. I think at the same time, those who have challenged the president's executive orders will very quickly try to refashion their suits so that they are asking instead for something like relief under a class action status instead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, more lawfare.

[Adam Curry]

Class actions are, yeah, probably they're going to use that as the next thing, but those are harder to do. I have John Yoon, oh, good old John Yu, who I think who summarizes better than anybody else and for good reason. Here he is with, he's on Fox talking about the Supreme Court action today. I have two clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's start with nationwide injunctions by these district judges.

[Adam Curry]

Where are we on that?

[Craig Vaughn]

After this ruling, they're dead, 100% dead. The Supreme Court has said now definitively district judges, of which There are about 700 around the country in every major city, they can decide the cases before them. They can give remedies like injunctions to the parties in the courtroom. But what they can't do is impose it against the government throughout the entire country at once. Really? That's the Supreme Court's job. And so what the court has said is, yes, it's going to be possible now for the birthright citizenship order to be struck down in Boston, but still upheld in Texas. That it might still be possible for people to get passports in Boston who might not get them in Texas. But that's the job of the Supreme Court to resolve that conflict. It's not the job of any individual district trial judge to do so. This is a really big win for the presidency. Not just Donald Trump, but the presidency. Because what the court has also respected here is that the President is elected by the American people to carry out an agenda. And it's important and right for him to be able to pursue that throughout the country at once.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you're so right that this has been, you know, presidents from both parties have always complained about this and President Trump finally did something about it. I think that's pretty cool for Merck.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they had to cuz they were abusing it with him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well.

[Adam Curry]

And that's what brought it to a head. This could have gone on forever if these guys hadn't gotten carried away.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had a good thing going, guys. What did you.

[Adam Curry]

Had a good thing going until they abused it. So here. Now that. Now the thing about this is they also went after Judge Jackson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, everyone hates her now. They all hate her because she's dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Dumb. And they, and they're really going after. And everywhere there's a, there's a. I didn't clip it because it's five minutes long, but it's five minutes of her saying I don't understand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we all saw the supercut.

[Adam Curry]

Every case in the. For the last one year. And I don't understand this. I don't know. She just makes her sound stupid. But she is called out on this by you. No, not by you, but you is presented with one of the comments that she made. And these two guys, this robbers on Fox, they laugh about it. It's pretty funny. Little bit. But I think that the fact that the court in the decision called out Jackson and then they, everyone signed off on it. This was a rebuke. And people have to realize that's what it was. She was not following the principles of the way the court's supposed to act. And she was, she was freelancing. And I had got a letter from somebody. You guys are mean about this because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, you got one of those. I can't believe someone spelled your name right. That's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

It's like she went off the Rails and started talking about. I looked at her, at her opinion, which was separate, and she was, you know, talking about this and that. She was philosophic. She was being philosophical to an extreme, and it wasn't really following the. The way they want things done. And so they. They rebuked her. And I thought this was a funny clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amy Coney Barrett wrote the majority opinion, and I thought that this clause from it was really interesting. She wrote qu not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent.

[Adam Curry]

Not to mention the Constitution itself.

[John C. Dvorak]

We observe only this. Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary. Smack.

[Craig Vaughn]

Oh, boy. I'm glad I'm not there right now. I'm sure there are going to be great friends afterwards, especially when they need each other for the fifth vote on one of their cases. But, you know, Justice Jackson's dissent, I have to say, I thought was a little over the top. She's basically saying this is the collapse of the rule of law. You're going to have, you know, irresponsible presidents defying the rule of law, doing what they want, and the courts, no one's going to stop them. I don't think that's quite right. This is, in the long run, as a legal issue, not that important. It's important as a political issue for the effect it has on the government, its ability to pursue law. But this is actually the judiciary restraining itself, saying, we're only going to apply our powers to the cases before us. We're not here as the judiciary to run the whole government. And so who benefits from that? Presidents do. But presidents are democratically accountable and electable. The American people who are watching this show listening to you, John, they should not think that the rule of laws collapsing all around them. It's not happening. Basically, things are going to function normally. This is just really a narrow legal issue about the power of individual trial judges. The Supreme Court's always there, and they're going to decide these questions in the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I thought that was a good summation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was good. But here's a. I have a little update from the troll room, just to give you an idea of what I get. Ready. Do you want to always. Do you want a voice? Do you want a voice, or should I just read it straight? It's never that funny when I read it straight.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you must do the voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Smoking cheese is my name Smoking cheese. Adam's love of Trump is going to backfire on him. I love how they Think I love Trump. I love Trump. Trump is waging war for the Zios while cutting taxes for the billionaire class.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then printing money to pay for it and then taxing everyone else by inserting tariffs and stealing from Social Security and Medicare while creating legal mechanisms to jail and deport US Citizens. Wow, dude.

[Adam Curry]

No US Citizen's been jailed in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrong troll room, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's got go over to Blue sky dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really. That probably is the dude dude from Blue Sky. I have one I go to.

[Adam Curry]

I'm something that he said. That guy is that. I think Mom Davi, this New York guy. I think it's possible the more I've been looking at this character. He has a bunch of interesting opinions that I think and I think people are misjudging him. They keep calling him a socialist. A socialist. He calls himself a Democrat socialist and he's got socialist communist ideas. Is. But he's not a socialist. He is a populist. He is the Democrat version of Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what they wanted.

[Adam Curry]

This is what's powerful about him. They need now. This is what they wanted. I agree with that for sure, because that's what they keep talking about. So they got this guy. If he. And I think he will get in because I know what they're going to do with Eric Adams. They're going to throw the. They're going to say, well, he's cooperating with ice. He's cooperating with Trump. We hate Trump. And they hate Trump in New York. So this guy can get in. And if he doesn't completely screw the pooch in New York, in other words, he manages to do a balancing act and become a reasonably not a disaster mayor. That approach of his could become super popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. Yeah. So this is all over the top, but he may actually be much more moderate and. And maybe the buses will be free.

[Adam Curry]

And the buses might be free. And the one. And he has got this one thing in this craw that only comes up once in a while. But if you read into it enough, he doesn't think any billionaire should exist in the country. That is an extremely populist idea. That could. If I was one of those rich Democrats, you know, that are. Most billionaires are Democrats people. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd be like, yeah, great.

[Adam Curry]

You better start finding ways to hide your money.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just so beautiful because. And he may. That's a very good point. That's a very good point. That could be the Democrat Party's version of a populist who then dials it way Back. But I don't know, I mean, to me this is everything that the Democrat part. Every talking point is this guy. Guy. Yeah, every talking point. And then they got this guy. And then, you know, Tina and I were at some Mexican place having lunch yesterday. And I love the Mexican restaurants. They got a million TV screens all on Fox. The TV screens, none of them are at the same height. There's something about Mexican culture. I just, I notice it all the time. Straight. There's nothing is straight. There's always a little, I mean, it's a little crooked. Have you noticed that? That.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's an interesting observation. When you go to Mexico, which I used to do a lot when I was younger, you know, they'd have all these, I always notice that these half build houses all the way down to Ensenada, all the way to the tip. Yeah, there's just these half built houses. And I asked somebody, some Mexican guy. Oh yeah, says, yeah, you want it that way? You want your half built house? Because they don't start taxing it till it's done. So you just. So everything is like, you know, got a kind of a funny quality. So it's. And you write. Yes, I noticed. Notice it's not. They're not into like the long straight line.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they don't. It's not their culture, which is fine, but just love seeing three TV screens, big screens on the wall and none of them at the same height. I'm like this, I don't get it.

[Craig Vaughn]

It's like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway. And you saw all the Democrats going, oh, what are we going to do? And the rich Democrats of New York, oh, what are we going to do? There's the guy who owns the supermarkets. He's on Fox Business. I'm closing down my supermarkets. I'm not gonna let the government run my supermarkets. Okay, bro? Sure. So it's just a fun fight then, you know. Fredericksburg, oh, I'm never going to New York again. New York is lost.

[Adam Curry]

It's lost. Like New York's been lost forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although my neighbors, Claudia, she's a hospitalist, you know, she, she takes care of all. She's really in charge of the patients. She's kind of the patient advocate. Advocate. And she was out walking her two little dogs. These things are like barking little things. And she's from Dominican Republic and she's with her boyfriend, he's ex military and her brother and a million kids, they're all walking the dogs on the streets. Like we were in New York. And then all of a sudden we saw the bombs dropping and we're like, what are we gonna do? And they went into the hotel room and just stayed there and like, we're so worried about everything. Yeah, that's exactly what happens to people. People, they get so freaked out because they're just watching Fox News or msnbc. It doesn't really matter what you're watching. I'm glad we got back to Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Called tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, called tv, exactly. So then the Supreme Court made a very interesting ruling which I, in principle, I agree with the ruling. I don't think it curtails the free speech of adults. But more importantly, I think it moves closer towards what I have always said is going to happen, happen. And that will be the end of anonymity on the Internet. The other big news here today, the.

[Craig Vaughn]

United States Supreme Court has upheld a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Texas law that requires pornographic websites to conduct age verification of its users. This ruling is one of the final decisions of the term handed down by the nation's highest court earlier today.

[Craig Vaughn]

With that, let's bring in Ion politics reporter Jack Fink. Talk about it a little bit, especially.

[John C. Dvorak]

About the impact of this decision today. And what, what else does this legislation do?

[Craig Vaughn]

Well, Doug, this two year old Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Law has been held up in the courts.

[Craig Vaughn]

But now because the US Supreme Court.

[Adam Curry]

Has backed the state of Texas, it.

[Craig Vaughn]

Can go into effect. As you said, pornographic websites will now have to have some form of age verification for its users or customers to be considered pornographic. The sites have to have more than a third of their content as sexual in nature. The law allows the text Texas Attorney General's office to enforce this ruling, investigate any potential violations and complaints and assess fines as well.

[Adam Curry]

The author of this bill that became.

[Craig Vaughn]

Law, Republican state representative Matt Shaheen of Prosper, called it a triumph.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was a clear victory for Texas children. It was pornographic websites against our Texas families. And the Supreme Court sided with our Texas families. So it's a great day for Texas in protecting our children from the spirit month.

[Craig Vaughn]

In a statement opposing the ruling, Allison Bowden, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, said, quote, the government should not have the right to demand that we sacrifice our privacy and security to use the Internet. This law has failed to keep minors.

[Adam Curry]

Away from sexual content, yet continues to.

[Craig Vaughn]

Have a massive chilling effect on adults.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, of course, is completely ridiculous that, you know, somehow people won't be able to get around a Texas block or whatever with a vpn, like kids are stupid. But it's really about identification for your. It'll be about you want to get on the Internet, you've got to have to ID yourself everywhere you go. And I find the 1/3 rule to be very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I mean that's so stupid. I mean the first thing you do say I had this. I want to run a porn site. So I want to have. I have to beat this 1 3rd rule. So I have a porn site. I load it up with terabytes full of PDF files that are just random about, about the oceanography.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then if you click on this one link you get my one. 20% of the rest of it is porn. No. And the oceanography stuff, 80%. It's not going to be using bandwidth or anything because nobody's going to go to that stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

So the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is dumb, but it's not about that. And by the way.

[Adam Curry]

No, I know you have this thesis. You've been. I have to say you have kept this thesis alive in yours because it's going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to happen. It's going to happen.

[Adam Curry]

It might, but it's not happening anytime soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh please. Oh ye of little faith.

[Adam Curry]

Not happening anytime soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will say and this is not the fix for it but porn addiction is a real thing. There are so many young men and women completely, completely addicted to porn.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we've talked about this before and.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S, it's a real problem. Then it ruins everything. Ruin ruins.

[Adam Curry]

Addicted to gambling. They get addicted to porn. Addicted to smoking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

People problems. Yeah, people now I could only get 29 second report of this. It was just kind of flew by. Could even get the first Washington on there.

[Buzz]

Post journalist is facing some serious charges tonight. 48 year old Thomas Legro was arrested at his D.C. home Thursday. He's accused of possessing child pornography. FBI agents say they found explicit videos on his laptop and what looked like a broken hard drive in his basement. Legro's name also came up in an investigation involving online payments for illegal content. He is now on leave from the Post where he oversaw video content. His detention hearing is set for Monday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they kind of missed the fact that he won a Pulitzer Prize.

[Adam Curry]

That's great. That's a great. I would like to hear more about that. But let's before we leave this topic about what happened with the Supreme Court.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's more from the Supreme Court.

[Adam Curry]

We have to visit Brooks and Capehart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I do one more Supreme Court ruling before please.

[Adam Curry]

Because the Brooks and Capehart will top it all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, I'm sure. Well this is just factual and you know it's so interesting that, you know, of course, all the ads like, oh, the Republicans, the big beautiful bill, which has some stuff on too, we can do it like later, you know, they're going to cut Medicare, Medicaid. You're not, you're going to die. You won't have anything. Well, this is one of the ways they're cutting.

[Buzz]

Tessa. The state first pulled Medicaid funding from planned Parenthood in 2018 because it provided Abortion South Carolina. This new ruling states can now cut off Medicaid dollars to the provider, even for health care unrelated to ending a pregnancy. Justice Jackson in her dissent.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the lady from Planned Parenthood.

[Buzz]

Said, if individuals don't have rights to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sue to protect their own rights, then.

[Buzz]

Civil rights means nothing. And we would agree with that. In response to the Supreme Court decision, Governor Henry McMaster sharing a statement on X saying, quote, Seven years ago we took a stand to protect the sanctity of life and defend South Carolina's authority and validity use. And today we are finally victorious, end quote. Vicki Ringer with Planned Parenthood South Atlantic says only 3.5% of South Carolina patients are on Medicaid and the ruling won't impact services. The good news for patients in South Carolina is that nothing will change for them. We will continue to treat South Carolina patients who use Medicaid as their insurance plan. We just won't bill them for it.

[Adam Curry]

Or bill Medicaid aid.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can continue to get their care.

[Buzz]

For as long as we can cover it without charge. This one ruling and this one political decision from the governor or the legislature will not force us to close our doors to clear up misconceptions. Ringer clarifies that according to federal law, Medicaid can only pay for an abortion in the case of rape, incest, or to preserve the mother's life. Life.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know the thing I don't.

[Adam Curry]

What is she bitching about? If they're going to do it, they're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going to cover it well under those cases.

[Adam Curry]

Well, fine is, you know, this is about time some charity showed up in the, in the formula here instead of everything coming out of the taxpayer's pocket.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I was growing up, when I was a kid, you know, it was like, don't be daft, don't be silly. Put a snakeskin on your willy. How. When did we lose the idea of being careful?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the funny thing is Planned Parenthood started.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, as, as well, they started as a eugenicist group.

[Adam Curry]

No, they didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they did.

[Adam Curry]

That evolved. That evolved. I've looked into this I've looked into it, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I disagree with you.

[Adam Curry]

Started off as a. As a promoter of condoms because nobody. They were illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

You told me Margaret. Margaret Sanger started as. As a condom advocate. No, that was 1930. Well, we can disagree on that, and I will, but I'm not agreeing to disagreeing. There were over.

[Adam Curry]

I'm agree to disagree.

[John C. Dvorak]

There were over a million abortions in the US in 2024. A million.

[Adam Curry]

There's too many.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's too many abortions. It's like that was the number one thing, you know, like when you. When you were 15, your dad would say, here, here, kid. Here's a rock. Rubber. It's like, okay, you know what happened? What happened there?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't need it when you have an abortion. Same thing in Russia. It's cheaper, especially if somebody else is paying for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

John Cvor, the great defender of Margaret Sanger. I will not defend Margaret Sanger. I disagree with that.

[Adam Curry]

So let's play Brooks and Cape Horn. And I have three clips. I have the opener on P. Pbs because they talk about the Supreme Court stuff a little bit. And then. And then I have Brooks going on about porn in schools.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have. I have Brooks. The last one is Brooks on any topic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, opener.

[Adam Curry]

Start with opener. Yeah, opener.

[Buzz]

Let's turn now to the analysis of Brooks and Capehart. That is New York Times columnist David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart, associate editor for the Washington Post. And we should say that you are both joining us tonight from the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. Your beautiful backgrounds make me wish I was there with you guys. It's great to see you, but let's jump right in to those Supreme Court decisions today. Big wins for the president. One, on allowing religious parents to opt their kids out of LGBTQ learning and storybooks in school. The other, severely limiting lower courts ability to issue nationwide injunctions. We heard President Trump very happily thank the justices who ruled in his favor earlier today. Take a listen.

[Adam Curry]

I want to thank Justice Barrett, who wrote the opinion brilliantly, as well as Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Thomas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great people they are.

[Buzz]

Now, kick us off here. What's your reaction to those rulings? What do you take away from that?

[Craig Vaughn]

Well, on the injunction ruling, you know, I reached out to a former senior official in a Democratic administration just to get their take on. On it. And the response back was mixed bag. And it's mixed bag because on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

One hand, Democratic presidents and Republican presidents never liked it when a lower court.

[Adam Curry]

Judge reached in and stopped them from.

[Craig Vaughn]

Doing something with a nationwide injunction. I'm thinking particularly of President Biden and say student loan, student loan, debt forgiveness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

It was the Supreme Court that put the kibosh on Biden who told him to pound sand. So. Okay, we got that wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So let's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You hate these guys so much. You are so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you have the. Your, your hate listens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I do. I do. I gotta bring them back.

[Adam Curry]

So I have. Now we're gonna listen to k part on the porn in schools.

[Craig Vaughn]

When it comes to the LGBT school ruling, you know, for that to come out the day after the 10th anniversary of the Obergefell ruling, which legalized same sex marriage, made it a constitutional right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is really, you know, it's painful.

[Craig Vaughn]

It's also speaks to the court's willingness to, you know, be a party to erasing a whole community.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness. Let me just give you in short, because we have this going on here in Fredericksburg. This with. This with the, with the public school here. And you know, it's become every single school board member meeting. And by the way, I'm always saying, why are you wasting your time? Run for school board. Get on the school board. You know what? If I, if I lived in Fredericksburg, we live in unincorporated Fredericksburg, five minutes from Main street for some reason, but I would run for school board. No problem. The problem is every single one of those people on the school board has been threatened by the ACLU that they'll be sued personally. That's what this is about. It's the aclu. You, they're the problem. Those books, they're stupid.

[Adam Curry]

They really are foreign books. To defend the books by saying you're erasing a community. These books, bull crap. This pornograph bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Total bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Well, and here's what. And now I have a kind of a universal clip I can play anytime this turns out to be the answer. This is Brooks on anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree with Jonathan. I agree with Jonathan. I agree with Jonathan.

[Adam Curry]

I agree with Jonathan.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Why don't you tell us what the format of the show is supposed to be, John?

[Adam Curry]

Well, typical of these shows, you're supposed to get. Get perspective from two opposing viewpoints. That's the idea. That's what helps the audience take two opposing viewpoints of the same topic. And one of them says this and one of them says that. And you as the viewer say, well, I can see what he means. I can see this, I can see that. So you can understand it as opposed to two Guys that vehemently, vehemently agree with each other all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is supposed to be the Republican?

[Adam Curry]

That's supposed to be the Republican, but he's never been a Republican. He's always been not a lefty, kind of a middle of the road Democrat. And Kapar's just a, a gay liberal.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's go to the big Beautiful. By the way, you're so right. I'm looking at the quad screen right now and it said Eric Adams worked with ice. They were so right. Nailed it. There it is. Eric Adams worked with ice. He's no good. We go to the big beautiful bill, which coincidentally, Elon Musk came out against again today, that it would set us back be horrible. I think Trump is putting everything on this because he wants those tax cuts. And I'm sure there's tons of nonsense in there. Oh, there must be a ton, tons of nonsense. Well, it's on the Senate floor.

[Buzz]

A rare Saturday session in the Senate.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have before us today a once in a generation opportunity to deliver legislation to create a safer, stronger and more prosperous America.

[Craig Vaughn]

Senate Republicans are trying to pull a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fast one on the American people.

[Buzz]

Lawmakers work through their holiday recess, racing to meet a July 4 deadline to advance President Trump's so called big beautiful bill. The President stayed in town too, golfing with senators urging them to tee it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we'd like to get it done overnight.

[Buzz]

Senators, Senate Republicans released the 900 plus page bill, which includes more funding for the President's top priorities, including border security, defense, and an extension of his 2017 tax cut. But it comes with deep spending cuts to food assistance and Medicaid, including a projected $930 billion reduction, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they're trying to do, she doesn't mention that's over 10 years, but that, that's kind of interesting how they just throw that in there.

[Buzz]

According to the Congressional Budget Office, what.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re trying to do to cut back on these health care programs and health insurance for 16 million Americans to pay.

[Craig Vaughn]

For tax breaks for wealthy people.

[Buzz]

Even some Republicans have threatened to oppose the package, citing concerns about the potential impact to rural hospitals. But others say it's time to act.

[Craig Vaughn]

Are we done? Are we ready to put our pins down and we're move forward?

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the Medicare cuts are the ones that get me. I mean, it's. If I have, I have not read all 900 pages yet. I typically read whatever is passed when it's really passed, when there's, we have one big, beautiful, solid bill, and then we'll go through it and we'll find all the funding for UFO projects and everything else. There's always some cool stuff hidden in there. I enjoy it. But these cuts are really for people who are just, just sucking off the system. You know, it's like, no. And then illegals who are here and getting health care. No, no. This is exactly what the president ran on. It sucks. We're nice people in America. Like, we don't really want to, really want to hurt anybody. Well, you do. You have to. There's your eggs analogy. But I may not have to read it because I guess Chuck Schumer is going to read it for me to.

[Buzz]

Address some of those GOP concerns. The bill now a $25 billion rural hospital fund. It also rolls back clean energy tax credits from the Biden era, angering Democrats. In fact, they hope to slow this vote down by demanding that the entire bill be read on the Senate floor, which could take up to 15 hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lovely. I love that, especially you get those one, replace paragraph 5 US law 17, 3 29er with any time instead of.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's lots of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking forward to reading it. It'll be fun. I'm sure there's all kinds of good stuff in there. Of course, the no tax on tips was a big promise from the President. Even my, my stepdaughter in New York, she's like, oh, I like this Trump because she works at a bar. And you know, typically people in service industry get paid very low wages as well. Like $3 an hour.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think in New York, it's between two and four dollars an hour. And then they, and tips is where they make their money. And so here's Lawrence o' Donnell explaining what it's really about. Donald Trump told a story today about how he came up with the idea that he's very proud of, of no tax on tips. And remember, most American workers, workers do not receive tips. So this is not a tax break for them. It is a tax break for people who Donald Trump likes better than the.

[Craig Vaughn]

People who don't receive tips.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does that, how does that work? I don't understand the logic. It gets better. Donald Trump said it happened in Las Vegas when someone he called, a quote, young, beautiful waitress told him, him that she didn't want to pay taxes on her tips.

[Adam Curry]

She looked at me, she said, sir, there should be no tax on tips. I said, say it again. There should be no tax on tips. I said, that's the Coolest thing I've ever heard. I walked outside. The press was there, as always, waiting.

[John C. Dvorak]

For something bad to happen.

[Adam Curry]

Hundreds of them. I said, ladies and gentlemen, please announce tonight there will be no tax on tax on tips.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are many reasons why no secretary of the treasury has ever advised a president to have no tax on tips. You just heard the stupidest story ever told by a president about tax policy. So Donald Trump thinks some income should be protected from taxation and some shouldn't. So a loss. Vegas lap dancers income. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Should be tax free. But a Las Vegas public school teacher.

[John C. Dvorak]

Must pay full taxes on all income.

[Adam Curry]

Great.

[Craig Vaughn]

From Resita.

[Adam Curry]

Here she is, Raven.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give it up. I love how he did that. That was good. That was good, Larry.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Hey, guy. Does that guy still have a job?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, and I'm sure he makes more than we do do.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tons more. Tons more.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, I have a little side clip. A little clip just. I said it was entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Your buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go. Is that Scott Galloway?

[Adam Curry]

No, I, you know, I. I have trouble clipping that guy. He's so slow talking and, well, he talks to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like this. And he talks to her.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of talks to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sleep through a slit and the slit.

[Adam Curry]

And he is. He is. It's hard to watch him. He's always likes to be on video and he's just so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, someone convinced someone. Someone convinced them that they should do a video. You know, it's like, oh, without video, it's really nothing. You really have to have video. Your podcast is no good without video. Let me see how many people watch that stupid podcast on YouTube. Although stupid. I love the podcast. I have to say.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, you love. Hate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's great. It's a great podcast.

[Adam Curry]

So Kennedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's my buddy who almost killed you.

[Adam Curry]

I tell that story.

[John C. Dvorak]

She broke my butt. Should I tell this? I should probably tell the story.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you might as well refrain the story because we have not heard it for probably five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

MTV Beach House, first year, great idea. We all go out to Quag, which is you got the Hamptons, and then you got all the poor people they live in. Quag is beyond the Hamptons. Big house on the beach. It was an experiment, worked out really well. It later became a reality show when everybody realized that all that happened in the MTV beach house was just a lot of drinking and screwing around so all the VJs would be out there for the summer. It was real pain in the butt. You'd drive three and a half hours from the city to get there, there. And, you know, so we did all the typical beach house things, and then we're on wave runners these days, known as jet Skis, which they're not. They're Waverunners. And so I'm doing my segment, you know, but I'm sitting on the WaveRunner and the camera guys on the other waverunner, and he's, you know, I'm doing my segment, and all of a sudden, Kennedy rams into me with her waverunner, thinking she was funny. And so I go flying off the Waverunner and hit my left buttock right on the edge of the waverunner. And to this day, there's still a crease in my butt. And it was black and blue for months, and she never really said sorry, which I've always wanted to talk to her about. And I almost got on her podcast, but then they canceled on me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's too bad. Yeah, well, her podcast isn't that good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, of course, have forgiven her since then, but it'd be fun to talk about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's quite lively on Gutfeld. And I got butt slammed.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right, Trolls. I literally got butt slammed by Kennedy. There you go. So she was on Stelter or said Stelter on her podcast.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, she has an anecdote that I thought was amusing. It's more of a real news story if you get that clip up real quick, because this is a real news story. It's a little gossip. And now back to Regan News.

[Buzz]

And I to give Brian Stelter any credit for anything, because he really is a giant human potato who's obsessed with Emily Campagno.

[Adam Curry]

Really, really creepy and unsettling.

[Buzz]

I did not know. I did say spill the tea, like.

[Adam Curry]

In front of his wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like, emily, I'm your biggest fan.

[Buzz]

And I was like, get away from her. Like, you are literally 2 inches and a half a glass of chardonnay from humping her leg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Buzz]

You never get to hear these stories on your shows.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kill me right now. Oh, brother. Wow. My story was better than that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But I didn't, you know, it was better, actually, but it was kind of lascivious. I like the lasciviousness of Stelter fawning all over this. Referring to is. Was the ex raider, head cheerleader turned lawyer turned enthusiastic host. You know, she's on various Fox shows. Really cute. And she turned beet red kind of. Even though she's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she was right there when the story.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Pointing at her. And she's and she. David said, yeah, I guess this is a true story. Because she didn't deny. Buy it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Emily Compagno. Wikipedia. He doesn't even have a picture of her. What's wrong with you, Wikipedia?

[Adam Curry]

Just look at images. There's a thousand pictures of Emily. If you can find the ones when she was the head cheerleader at the Raiders. She was blonde.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh? Let me see. Cheerleader for the Raiders.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Head cheerleader. Not just. Just. She's. No, she's one of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay, I see. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

She's one of those women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

That has to be a nightmare. No, because she's so high energy. It's like, come on, let's go horse riding. Let's go dancing. You get out of the house. Sit up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get.

[Adam Curry]

What are you doing sitting here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Grab a hula hoop.

[Adam Curry]

Do something horrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I wouldn't mind hearing about. You seem to have a series on pride flags, which. The fact that you put a series together means something in here is good. And I don't want it to wait until after we take a break because, you know.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I can do it. Yeah. This is. This is. PBS has been doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, it's still Pride Month. It's still Pride month. It's the 29th, so it's still Pride Month.

[Adam Curry]

So there's this big controversy. They're trying to push pride flags all over the place. You know, it's like. Which is really skeptical, I feel. I don't have mixed feelings about it. I just don't think it's a good idea. Idea to have your. Your state flag, your American flag, and then a pride flag. This is sexual thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So what are you putting that up there for? But. Okay, there's a. So PBS is all behind it too? Oh, God, yes. Let's. Let's do a promotion. They're basically promoting using the pride flag. Now, most of these clips are fairly short, but they're a little long. But they all have kind of a punchline, so it makes it worthwhile. Listen, start with one.

[Craig Vaughn]

This year marks a decade since same.

[Adam Curry]

Sex marriage was legal nationwide.

[Craig Vaughn]

But in several Republican led states, efforts are underway to ban pride flags from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Public schools and government buildings, sparking a.

[Adam Curry]

Wave of local resistance. Dima Zane has the story.

[Buzz]

In Salt Lake City. A historic flag raising. You are welcome here because in Salt Lake City, you belong. The city adopted a new official flag, except called the Sago Belonging flag, featuring LGBTQ colors underneath the city's sago flower. What we're doing today is about the dignity and the worth of every single person in this community, no matter who they are, no matter who they love. The move coming just hours before a new law took effect in Utah banning public schools and government buildings in the state from displaying any flags that aren't officially approved. Utah was the first state in the nation to ban pride flags from public buildings, but not the last. Idaho and Montana have adopted similar bans in recent weeks. And at least eight other states with Republican controlled legislatures are considering the idea. Number two. Orion Rumler covers LGBTQ issues in politics for the 19th News. Republican.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey. How come we can't get a gig like that? Cover LT LGBTQ issues for the news. This is a great gig gig.

[Adam Curry]

A permanent gig for sure.

[Buzz]

In Politics for the 19th news. Republican lawmakers have framed these bands as a necessary way to make state houses and government buildings and schools, depending on the language of the ban, neutral places. But some cities are pushing back, like in Boise, Idaho, where a pride flag flag has flown for several years outside city hall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

The pride flag outside of city hall in Boise mean that they're. That the city hall is gay. The pride flag is about gay, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, it's multiple things. It's LGBTQ + disability pride.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. It was mostly gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Transgender, say mostly trans at this point is what it represents.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now it's mostly trans, but that. That's the slow. That's. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to pink triangle? That was kind of cool.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know, but these guys seem to be. They seem to be all jacked up about pride, having the pride flag, you know, some workers flags or a communist flag or what is the point? I. It just bothers me and. But I'm just being a boomer here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So I can get away with it. So let's play part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't worry, you can get away with it. I'll get blamed for it. It's all.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you should be billing for it. In fact, you invited it.

[Buzz]

Well, give a motion a second clerk. Last month, the City Council voted 5 to 1 to designate it as an official city flag, which they say will allow them to continue to fly it and not violate the new state law. Removing the flag now after years of flying it proudly would not be a neutral act. Boise Mayor Lauren McLean arguing. We know that that's not just a flag. We know it says who we are.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know it says who we are.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I've just said. The Boise. Boise's gay. That's what she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want a Tourette's flag. What would The Tourette's flag look like.

[Adam Curry]

It'D be kind of jiggly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jiggly. It has its own flagpole that just jitters the whole time.

[Adam Curry]

Now it gets screwy. We have. Oh, I see. I have. Oh, this actually, I have two threes. I think the first three is the one. Okay, we want.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, first three.

[Buzz]

Just two blocks away sits the Idaho State Capitol, where the legislature voted overwhelmingly to pass HB 96, a bill that bans, quote, governmental entities from displaying any flags other than the US Flag, state and local flags, the POW flag, or those from military branches and native tribes. Schools may also display their own banners. Idaho's Republican attorney general warns Boise's mayor to take down the flag or face penalties when the state legislature comes back in session.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to cost the community and the city money for violating the law. And she doesn't pay it out of her pocket. It's going to cost the citizens of Boise, and I think that's shameful.

[Buzz]

In neighboring Montana sits the city of Missoula. Earlier this month, city leaders voted to adopt the pride flag as its only official city flag, despite a new Montana state law that prohibits flags on state property that, quote, represent a political viewpoint, including, but not limited to flags or banners regarding a political party, race, sexual orientation, gender or political ideology. The Republican governor of Montana, Greg Gianforte, called the move divisive, posting that Missoula City Council should be ashamed for imposing a pride flag on schools and dividing their community. This is more than, you know, blue dots rebuking the culture war policies of their Republican controlled legislatures.

[Adam Curry]

Choosing to fly those flags as officials city flags sends a message that the.

[Buzz]

City wants to stand apart from the.

[Adam Curry]

Rest of the state as, you know.

[Buzz]

A beacon of inclusivity, a challenge that for now hangs in the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm kind of regretting this now, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you shouldn't because here comes number three. Wtf.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, here we go.

[Buzz]

And now we are joined by Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to jump in first and ask your reaction when you heard about Utah's legislation bill banning all non official flags at schools and governmental buildings. Well, it didn't make a lot of sense as an urgent topic for our legislature to address and yet they chose to do so. And we worked really hard to figure out how we could both abide by that law and continue to represent the values of Salt Lake City. You adopted three other flags, amending them as official city flags, allowing you to fly them. Can you dig in a little deeper here and talk about what these flags symbolize to you and to your community?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go.

[Buzz]

They symbolize the values that have been here in Salt Lake City for generations. Diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. They do not exclude. These are flags of inclusion. We've raised two of them in the month of June with the Juneteenth flag raising and pride. And we've heard from hundreds, even thousands of community members who've said, I see myself being represented in these flags. I feel seen and valued and wanted and understood, and that's what these flags are about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

I feel valued because of the flag and understood because there's a flag hanging outside the city hall. There's a flag that means I feel understood. What is going on here?

[John C. Dvorak]

What the hell is that? You sound like the F35 guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, here we go. This gets worse. Here's five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Buzz]

Utah Governor Spencer Cox didn't sign the bill, but he also did not veto it, which allowed the law to go into effect. He was asked about Salt Lake City's pride flags, and here's what he had to say.

[Craig Vaughn]

I'm sure they feel great that they got around this dumb law and they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it with dumb flags. It's just the whole thing. Things dumb. Well, what.

[Craig Vaughn]

What do you think should be done?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I already said what. What I thought should be done. We should raise the American flag, and let's be done with unify around that.

[Buzz]

They are dumb flags, and it was a dumb bill. What's your response to the governor? It's fine if he wants to say that about the decision that I made to bring these flags forward for approval with our city council. That's my role as the mayor. I take that responsibility. But I don't think it's the right way to address community members who feel validated, seen, heard, and wanted in their community because they see these flags flying. Have you felt or have you had a sense, bigger sense of the state seeking more control over your city's ability to function?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If there's no flag, you don't feel wanted by the city or something? What are we talking about here?

[Buzz]

Here?

[Adam Curry]

All right, by the way, this mayor, this nutball mayor from Salt Lake City, and it's a Mormon state, which cracks me up, by the way. I just find it highly amusing that this is taking place in Utah, but especially in Salt Lake City of all places. I don't know if you've ever been there, but it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I have. I've been. I've hung out with. With Mormons.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, if you go to Salt Lake, you're going to hang out with Mormons.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are the ultimate OG preppers, I'll tell you that.

[Adam Curry]

And so. So she goes on forever and I just have this last a piece of. But she continues the yammer and yammer about inclusivity and oh, you feel wanted, you have to have the flag or else.

[Buzz]

I think that's a pretty consistent dynamic, especially in a blue dot capital city in a red state with a super majority Republican legislature. That's not a new experience for us, but it's something that we're constantly navigating. My administration has a pretty good relationship with state leaders. We talk to each other even when we disagree. And I think we're going to be able to keep talking through this. I don't think this is the end of what we'll see from the legislature regarding the flags, but neither is at the end of our ability to represent our values and we'll keep finding ways to do do so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a controversy brewing around the pride flag in Fredericksburg that I should probably mention.

[Adam Curry]

Are they flying it at City Hall?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. So we have a coffee place on Main street called Java Ranch. And Java Ranch, that's kind of old school. You know, it's, it's, it's like cowboy interior and you know, it's just a coffee place and you got the, the kids working there. You know, they're in their 20s. I play chess there on Mondays. You know, it's a nice.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, stop, stop the presses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You wait on Mondays, which is, I consider the no agenda day off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You go to the cowboy coffee shop, the Java Hut or whatever it's called.

[John C. Dvorak]

Java Ranch.

[Adam Curry]

Java Ranch bench. And play chess with Willie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have a. Is it the chess where you have the timer?

[John C. Dvorak]

We, well, we have had competitions and it's Willie's first invitational. And so, you know, Willie kind of. We started playing chess and no one was playing chess.

[Adam Curry]

Who's Willie?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Willie's a guy. Willie's a guy I met in our church and, and he is messed up. Willie's like, that's Willie. You know, you got the arms out pretty much like Trump, like Trump's impression of that journalist. That's Willie. Because Willie had a head on collision when he was 19 and you know.

[Adam Curry]

Is any good at chess?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's very good at chess.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because I said, hey, you know, say hey, Willie. You know, once I heard this, I Was like, what's wrong with him? Is he retarded? What's going on with you? Because I sat next to him one time then. And then. And he explained to me, you know, he showed me a picture on his. He only can use one hand. And he showed the picture of the wreck. I mean, the guy was next to him got killed in the accident. Then he had a couple of strokes. So Willie's had a tough go of it. And I said, bell, we should meet for coffee, see a Java ranch. So we meet a java, and he has a chess set with him. And the guy turns out to be like a kind of a good chess player.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how chess came about. So anyway, you ask.

[Adam Curry]

Asked. Yeah, I did. I'm sorry. I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yo, you should be. So a new place opened up called Cafe House. K A F F E E. Cafe House. Yeah, yeah, Cafe House. And I immediately didn't like it.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it's always next to this place.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's around the corner, and it's very modern, and it's very nice, and.

[Adam Curry]

You know, and so it's not rough and tumble, like.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's douchey. It do. It's booty. Bougie, bougie, bougie. It's a coffee house. All of a sudden, everyone goes to coffee house. But I won't. I won't go to coffee house because I'm a Java ranch guy. I'm loyal. Like, I still go to the same hair girl in Austin for 15 years. I'm loyal. And so the. The ladies do their. Their Bible study there. Half the church is there. Probably another reason.

[Adam Curry]

A coffee house.

[John C. Dvorak]

A coffee coffee house. Okay, now here's the contrary controversy recently. Some of the kids who work there.

[Adam Curry]

Young people, that coffee house.

[John C. Dvorak]

At Coffee house put a little Jesus on the counter wrapped in a pride flag.

[Adam Curry]

Jesus and a pride flag. I would consider that sacrilegious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course. And now they're all trying to figure out what to do about it.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm like, oh, what to do about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I'm like, here's an idea. Idea. Ask them to take the pride flag off. Well, we did. And they said, no. Well, then you should no longer go there. You should come back to Java ranch.

[Adam Curry]

They said, no, no. I have an idea. Take the pride flag off. No. Oh, why don't you just remove the Jesus and the pride flag?

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be fine, too. They can have a pride flag. I don't think anyone cares if they have a pride flag in there. But this pride flag on the Jesus. Jesus is a bit of a problem.

[Adam Curry]

Sacrilegious. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I'm like, well, why do you keep going there then? Don't go there. Yeah, but we like coffee house. Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

They just don't like the rough and tumble nature of the Jabba joint.

[John C. Dvorak]

Java ranch, man. The troll say firebomb the house.

[Adam Curry]

Now you're talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the cheerleaders for the Raiders. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devorah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, morning to you, Mr. King. Anymore I should see boots on the ground, feet there, subs in the water and all the damson knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Trolls.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way. Going to suggest that let's firebomb the house. It's a great idea. Hey, 2,319 trolls checking and listening to the live stream. Well, that's good for a Sunday. So that's the number. 2319. So it's about 100. 100 up. 100 up, baby.

[Adam Curry]

100 low.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's usually 22. It's 2218 on Thursdays. 22, isn't it? 22. Yeah. You. You have the, you have the post it note somewhere. Check it out. Oh, hold on a second. Oh, but see, there you go. That's already. They're. They're messing with me. There we go. You're back. I said 20. I think 22 is the norm. Isn't 22 the norm?

[Adam Curry]

No, 25 is the norm. 25, 24 lately. Last week we had 26. No, we're down. We're down 300.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump needs to do something about that.

[Adam Curry]

It's Trump's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got to bomb somebody, man. Come on. Come on, baby. Yes. The troll trolls are listening to us@trollroomio.

[Adam Curry]

You might be right, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course I'm right.

[Adam Curry]

We had big numbers the last couple of shows because of the bombing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Now people like blood thirsty country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those boomers. Those boomers with their Jew money.

[Adam Curry]

We don't get any Jew money. I think we got one donation from.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got one Jew thanking us.

[Adam Curry]

One lone Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

One lone Jew said, hey, thanks for saying that.

[Adam Curry]

We defend them to such an extreme dream.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are equal opportunity offenders, believe me. You can also listen to this program on a modern podcast app. Go to podcast apps, that's plural.com, and choose one. Choose any of them. These are independent podcast apps that Will delight you with the features they have. They go far beyond any of your legacy apps. Ooh, nasty legacy apps. Give them a shot. I think you'll like it. There's all kinds of cool things you can do with them, including listen to the live stream. And not just listen to the live stream, but within 90 seconds of us publishing the show, you'll be alerted on your phone, on your little pocket computer telling you there's a new show. So that is not just for our show. It's for hundreds of thousands of shows that utilize the pod ping infrastructure developed by the boys and girls at podcasting 2.0. So last week we did a pretty in depth the explanation of value for value. I don't think we have to go over that again. But the bottom line is we give you everything, unlike people who. Oh, man. The ads on these podcasts. Do you ever really listen to any podcasts at length?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I do this. Mike Baker. I listen to the right guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did they not have ads? Didn't they have ads?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that annoying?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And it's. And it's the. The. The ad load, as we say in the business, the ad load has just become outrageous.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, here's what bothers me. These are. These are all. I don't know what it is. It started. Maybe Leo Laporte had something to do with it. I'm not sure. But it all started off with it. They have to be host red ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's where the money is. You get $40 cpm. I. E. $40 for every 1,000 downloads.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. I think a professionally done ad. I've always felt this way, that a professionally done ad in house by an ad agency that just sells the product and does a great job of it. Nothing but host red. That's what used to be television. Discovered this in the early days of television, in the 50s, and especially the 50s, they had all these like, you, what's my line with? Because they still show these shows now on some of these over the air, you know, sub channels. And it's like, what's my line? Brought to you by Paul Mull. And Paul Mull is a great cigarette for blah, blah, blah. No, Jim, what do you have with there? I got some Paul and mall cigarettes. It was all host red ads. And then somebody decided, hey, these guys stink. Why don't we do a real professional ad and bring in a cowboy and do some other stuff we can probably do a better job of selling. And then they. Then the host red Ads on tv, tv, even early days of Johnny Carson, they used to do them. They all ended.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I'll tell you why that is. Would you like to know why that is?

[Adam Curry]

I'd like to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the host red ad has more value. Because you know that the people who actually. So remember the metric in podcasts is downloads, which is a scam because these apps all automatically download and you're probably not listening to half of the podcasts in your podcast app.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's a scam. That's why, you know, they the just regular ad pre rolls, mid rolls and post rolls, you know, no one's listening and you skip them. So the, the idea is that when the host reads it, there's a more likelihood that people will listen to that ad because it's the host. And the recall of these ads that are host read are. Is host higher. Now does that says who? Says the iab. The Interactive Agency. Agency.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the IAB needs to figure it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

The IAB needs to figure a lot of stuff out. So what has happened is you've got the $40 CPM ad reads and then you have the Dai was a Dia. Oh, Dai Dynamic ad insertion. Which means, you know, here in, in Fredericksburg, if I start up a podcast, that is dai get a Spanish ad because they know me so well, you know. Okay, great. I don't know what you're advertising me, so it's, it just doesn't work. But some people think it works because I saw our spreadsheet for today and seems like some people are like, oh, I can get these guys to read my ad. So we'll see about that. Anyway, no, we don't do that. We just, we just thank everybody who supports us financially and we do that for everybody. 50 doll and above. And it seems to work out okay. Most times it's an exciting lifestyle, but we chose it and we're okay.

[Adam Curry]

Exciting lifestyle.

[John C. Dvorak]

The exciting lifestyle. It's the new international lifestyle. Value for value. Didn't you know? That's the new international lifestyle.

[Adam Curry]

I think we're going to have to put a word limit on these ads, on these notes. I don't care whether it's an ad or not. Yeah, there's two on here that are just. They're no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, what's your, your limit?

[Adam Curry]

I have to. Okay, well, I can do, I can make the calculation. I'll. I'll come up with an answer for the next show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I, it should really. Because, you know, when you, when you give it a limit, everybody's going to fit it into that limit.

[Adam Curry]

That's fine with me. As long as the limit's not like it is with the. I mean, we're not a thousand words. You know, we had essays here. We got, you know, toast. Dostoevsky hasn't written as much as a couple of these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another obscure reference from Curry and Dvorak, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

That obsc. We.

[John C. Dvorak]

We also accept value in the form of time and talent. There's a lot of that. Our Boots on the Ground reports. We have lawyers on staff, people. I'm telling you, we got lawyer producers doing stuff we do who care for us, who care for the show, want to make the show better, want to help us, want to inform us. And then we have artists. Well, we used to have artists. Now we just have AI prompt jockeys. We have single. I mean, I'm just gonna allow AI songs for the end of show mix now because you're right. You're right.

[Adam Curry]

I like the way you. You have to ca.

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I'm not gonna criticize you for this. You can, because that's not really a criticism. You're. You cave. Maybe the word cave is. Is not the right word, but you cave to the pressures that are coming in from every which of you. You cave to modernity as things change and improve and progress. You cave to it after resisting as much as you can. So that brings me to the question, why you resist at all?

[John C. Dvorak]

Resist? We much. And we much this be forgotten. Yeah, well, I resist because I. I liked our artists. We had Dutch masters. They're all gone, Every single one of them.

[Adam Curry]

All that. You're right. The Dutch masters have all left. They've all abandoned us.

[John C. Dvorak]

And sadly, sadly, a lot of this AI art is just better. It doesn't mean that I. I mean.

[Adam Curry]

The execution is better yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

I think you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, but now it's just all AI art, which is just too bad. You know, from time.

[Adam Curry]

Once in a while, somebody will come in. I mean, we got a long note from Riley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you mean the desert? Her.

[Adam Curry]

Dessert or you mean there was a guy who eats desserts?

[John C. Dvorak]

He. He makes.

[Adam Curry]

He's busy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's busy. He's busy.

[Adam Curry]

He got a lot of work. He's. He's an accountant, basically. And he just could. He's apologizing.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's counting his money. He's counting his money?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he needs money. He listens to the show and he, you know, he could do.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know what? The stuff that Riley does has basically been jacked by AI. Everybody can do Riley stuff. Stuff now.

[Adam Curry]

With the crude. The basic, crude style.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's true.

[Adam Curry]

All right, all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Blue Acorn was the artwork that we chose for the previous episode. Yeah. I caved on this one pretty quickly.

[Adam Curry]

No, you didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. Because you're like, I like the boobs. This is great. That's a great piece of art. And I was so tired of fighting you on this stuff.

[Adam Curry]

No, here's the way it went. I'm going to tell everyone how it reads. Way you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You speak with fork tongue.

[Adam Curry]

I said, I. I like this piece. I think this is a really good piece of cheesecake. And you said, oh, we just did cheesecake two shows ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I said, I used. That's the voice I used.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And so I said, yeah, we did, but this piece is really. Well, I like the. The 1776. And we got to have that into the arch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then you have some other suggestions. Okay, well, let's do something else. And he said, no, no, no, we're doing this. And I'm. And it's your fault. You chose it. I'm picking it. You chose it. It's on you. It's on you. It's on you. You made a big fuss, and here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am saying, it's on you. Thank you. That's exactly how it went. You said, I'm quitting the show if we don't choose this art.

[Adam Curry]

I never said that. That's a lie. That is a blatant lie. Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but looking back on it, I think it was a good piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a good piece. It was a good piece. Yeah. For 1776, it said America.

[Adam Curry]

For a couple of reasons. It was a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, it just said America. That's what. That's how I remember America.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. That's what it did.

[John C. Dvorak]

It said America right there. Right up front. The. Let me see. Was there anything else that we discussed? I don't think think so. But everything is AI art. Everything. Which means eventually it'll just be muck. But I think. I think you've complained so much about the end of show mixes. And not without merit. Not without merit, but it's hard to do and people get discouraged. And, you know, then you hear some toe tap and diddy made by AI and I play like, that's great. And arguably, it was good. So it was good. Maybe it's just, you know. But here's the thing with the AI SO songs, everyone. Like, this is a Great song. And it's just, you know, they got some curry and Dvorak lyrics in there. 33, you know, value for value. And it's always three minutes long. No end of show. Cut it down a minute. Make it a minute.

[Adam Curry]

I'll give him 110.

[John C. Dvorak]

110, 110. And it's not, you know, it has to be a good song. It's not about just the lyrics. Lyrics. Anybody can throw in some no agenda lyrics into. Into a AI and say, get. Make me a song like, wow, this is great. No, it's not. So if you send me, I think.

[Adam Curry]

That you've just done it. You've got the AI Song challenge which will lead right into the awards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. You know, we.

[Adam Curry]

You have to spit into the mic.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a best of coming up at the end of July. July, just so you know, you get a day off a Thursday. And because I'm working on my exit strategy, you know, we got to take some time off for that. And the, the literal best of show done by circumference is our exit strategies. It's a, it's. It's a three hour show.

[Adam Curry]

For three hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a three hour show.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder if he has the sequined underwear there. Remember that back in the day?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't remember. Remember that one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Hema. The Hema underwear. You don't remember the Hema underwear?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Hema. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

It was going to be embroidered.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't remember that part. It could be anyway. Blue acorn. Thank you very much. You kind of, kind of nailed it. It was. There was. It also had the luminance. You know, it had all. It had brightness. It had. It had a kind of. It was still a little wishy washed. Washy. But yeah, when I think back to 1976 and I was in America for the centennial. The bicentennial. I'm sorry. Yeah, you were for the centennial. I was there for the bicentennial. And that's pretty much what it was, 1976. That's exactly what America was like back then. So for me, it was somewhat nostalgic, but it was you who pressed on it and I just gave in. So then we'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers. Some of it taking a little bit to the mat. Facts here. We'll have to edit on the fly because everyone thinks, well, you know, it's like, this is my turn. This is me. That they certainly have the right. No, you're stealing from everybody else. You're stealing time and Attention. But of course.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there you go. I think you're. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it's theft.

[Adam Curry]

Stop it, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just, you know, if, if you had more time, you could write a shorter note. That's just the fact. So take your time. Time and condense these things. But you know what? Take your note, put it into ChatGPT and say, make this 200. No, make this. What is it? What was the old Twitter length? 120.

[Adam Curry]

144 characters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go. That's it. 144.

[Adam Curry]

Including spaces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So if you support. And anybody can support us with any amount. That's the beauty of value for value. It's like you don't have to subscribe to anything. You don't have any program. There's nothing like that. Just whenever you say, you know, I. I think I should help these guys out because it was valuable to me, then you send whatever that value is, whatever value we delivered to your life. Turn that into a number, send it back. That's all that it takes. Noagendadonations.com Just like Hollywood, though, we try to spice things up a little bit. So we give you an associate executive producer credit if you step up to that level. If you can't, everybody can. But you know what it is? $200 or above, and we'll read your note. Then you can be an executive producer. $300 or above and we'll read your note. We may have to redact it here and there. And these are credits that are completely legit. You can use them anywhere, including IMDb.com that proves their legitimacy. And we kick it off with another show number donation. So the last show was 1776. Sir Sonderegger from St. Joseph, Missouri. 1776. And throws in 67 cents for good measure and says, good morning, fellas. It's been minutes since my last donation. Here's some treasure to make up for the dry spell. And get me that PhD. Yes, the PhD in media deconstruction is still ongoing until July 4th, so getting quick.

[Adam Curry]

Keep up the good work. No, no, it does not. It's not being canceled on July 4th.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you told me.

[Adam Curry]

No, I said what's being canceled on July 4th is the 76 donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay, got it. No jingles.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to cancel. Cancel. We're going to cancel the PhD promotion at the drop of a hat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Threatening. No jingles, but I'd like my de douching since I didn't get it on my first donation.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's Sir Sonderegger of Bluffwoods.

[Adam Curry]

Bluffwoods?

[John C. Dvorak]

Bluffwoods.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that takes us to Don Dan. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm already screwing it up. Dan Mador. Medor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Peoria, Arizona. Peoria, Arizona. And it's a long note, but it's on the spreadsheet. At least it made it on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This has been a long time coming. I've been listening to the show since the late 800s, back in the Middle ages. That's right after having been hit in the mouth by my good friend Ken. Please give me an atomic de Douching.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's an atomic deduching? Does that exist?

[Adam Curry]

It's just louder.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you. You. You know, sometimes they gotta look if there's no. There's no.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched. As far as longtime douchebaggery, I like instant gratification. So after listening to over 900 hundred shows, I decided to become an Insta Knight with my donation. Please accept 333.33 as my late fee. Oh, that's cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good.

[Adam Curry]

I'm first and foremost a proud American. Yeah, I'm also a French Acadian ancestry. I'd like to be known as Sir Circadian. Oh, that's cute. We have not seen that one yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not yet.

[Adam Curry]

Circadian of the rhythm set section. Thank you for keeping my amygdala right sized over these recent tumultuous years. I wonder if he's a musician.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I lost my wife to stomach cancer just before our 33rd wedding anniversary. And I only. And my own lymphoma diagnosis was discovered just after her passing is now in remission.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good, good.

[Adam Curry]

So for jingles, I'd like a double F cancer. And because it's always a. Puts a smile on my face. Can you play Give it up for Raven, which we also played earlier in the show, making a comeback. Thank you again. And although I selfishly do not want you to find an exit strategy, I'm hoping we have a whole bunch of ideas. I'm hopeful that you will go at least four more years. Also for the roundtable, I welcome the mead as a libation, but would pair it with Mouton infused poutine, which in other words, he'd make poutine with Mouton Rothschild, which seems like an abomination.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems pricey about it. Seems pricey.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks for all you do, Don Mador. I don't know why I keep saying Don. It just looks like Don for some reason circadian soon to be of the rhythm section. P.S. i've attached my PayPal receipt for the donation. We.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got trust you.

[Adam Curry]

You're good to go.

[Buzz]

You've got karma. Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Onward. To Brian l. Deerfield Beach, Florida. $1,000. Dear Adam and John, with a heartfelt ITM energy, I extend my deepest thanks for your courage. You guys became an integral part of my routine for the better part of a decade, and I can't thank you enough for your work. During COVID I met the love of my life this day. Seven years ago. She grew into the best family medicine doctor right before my eyes. Not a pill pusher. No agenda was a lifeline for us during her medical residency in Washington, D.C. where we at Eight Other Doctors wrote a systematic review that was blackballed by every journal in May of 2019. 2020, due to the out of patent intervention we were recommending. Huh. I didn't want to believe the entire medical system was captured, but it became painfully clear we avoided almost everything, including the White House chop zone during the Summer of Love, where buildings were burned and bird scooters would max out at 3 mph in high crime areas. The no Agenda show was our constant companion playing everywhere we went. Your sharp insights and steadfast dedication brought us clarity and comfort when we needed it most. I am deeply grateful for both of your courage and commitment, as well as that of the entire Gitmo Nation. This is a long overdue donation. I will proudly frame this media deconstruction credential on my wall. A shout out to John G. Who hit me in the mouth many years ago. I'm gonna need a de douche.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

But no jingles or karma. I know. My note is long and John is already annoyed. Ah, yeah, there you go. Please knight me, Sir Doc Nelson Knight of the Capital Region. And I'd like to request John's favorite muscadine wine for the rest. If it's out, I'll take the mead. P.S. i missed the Zephyr report. Thank you for your courage. So, which wine are we putting at the round?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's pronounced muscadine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you. Thank you for that correction.

[Adam Curry]

If they still have it, I would say. What's the name of this? It's an operation in Arkansas. It's the only quaffable muscadine I've ever had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what is this?

[Adam Curry]

Some winery in Arkansas?

[John C. Dvorak]

Arkansas.

[Adam Curry]

I'll just say Arkansas. Just say Arkansas Muscadine. That would.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would do the trick. Muscadine. Okay. Can we get some Market Arkansas Muscadine. Okay. Yeah, taken care of. Muscadine. Muscadine. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Wines with. Rhymes with wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Muscadine wine. Got it.

[Adam Curry]

It's a big giant grape. If you've ever seen a muscadine grape that's like. It's like a plum. It's not like in a bunch. It's like. It's like a plum. Plum giant, huge horrible tasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

The more you know.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go with Don.

[John C. Dvorak]

Daniel.

[Adam Curry]

Daniel Franco in. In Bronx. He always the Bronx. 445-444-4445. He sent a note and to check I happen to have the note right here in the morning. Messrs. Curry and Dvorak. The donation of 44445 is show number 4776. Well, I came in late Thursday, June 26th with reference to the year 1774, 1775 and 1776. With this donation, my total is now 1000. Thereby finally making me eligible for knighthood in the realm of no agenda. My title will be Sir I'm not a spook. Oh, no. I'm a. I'm a nada. I'm a not a spook. I'm a not a spook. I'm a not a spook. Because that's exactly what a spook would say.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a spook. So, finally, spook money.

[Adam Curry]

And well, is it really in the lands of Throg's Neck? Throg. Throg. Throgs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know where that is?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

And Guild master. He's the Guild Master of the Carpenter's Guild. 157 of the city of New York. Dual class soldier slash craftsman. Well, soldier, maybe that's the spook part. He's got a beautiful signature. Say the least. It's one of those celebrity looking things. Daniel Franco, Sir. I'm a Natasha. I'm a nata Spooky.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so he will. He's on the list. We go to Pete Arnold iii in Becker, Minnesota, 36392, which may be 33333 plus fees. He says. I'll keep this as brief as possible. Yeah, fail.

[Adam Curry]

Very funny, Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm the dude who asked you on Twitter for the cutoff Time for show 1776. And miss it? Anyway, despite your quick reply and X see, replying to me, by the way, is something Elon Musk has yet to do. So that's the thing, you totally do better than him. In case boost. Well, gee, thanks, Adam's. Experience with door knocking, storm chasing roof salesman made me want to donate. I am not one though. My company is related and that's the purpose for my notes. My company Hire a Pro helps homeowners gc their own projects so in the event of storm damage claim we guide the homeowner through the process and keep the money that would otherwise be profit for a roofing company. All while being by the book and still within the rules of insurance reimbursement to a degree where we actually have insurance agents sending us bills business. In the last three years we've kept oh, that's interesting. That's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

In the last you do your own general contract.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And they back you up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. In the last three years we've kept almost half a million dollars in the hands of Minnesota homeowners with $6,000 being the average. That is pretty good deal. Roofing companies hate us, so I know we're doing a good thing. I'm praying this year I can finally cross the full time barrier so it can focus on it 100%. I have a lot of ideas I want to implement, most of which I believe are as disruptive as Uber or Doordash has been to their respective industries. Working my ass off to have the capital to develop and implement them. That's an American right there. That's an American. The only jingle I wish at the end of this is some jobs karma. Thank you for all you do. And Adam, if you end up needing a new roof from a hail claim, hit me up. I can show you how the cake is made. And if anyone in Minnesota needs hail damage, well, you don't want hail damage. But if you need hail damage repair, I guess don't hire a roofer, hire a pro. Visit us online at Hire a DOT Pro. Hire a dot pro. It's so easy. Even the people knocking your door could do it. And jobs Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Tanya's here. Tanya Alex Alexanian, which is a Armenian name if I'm not mistaken, but she's in Doler$ des Armo in Quebec. 336 switcheroo for my boyfriend Jeffrey Sarkisian. His birthday is July 6th. Another Armenian jingles, house buying Karma and health karma from my girlfriend and her family. This is truly the best podcast in the universe. You guys have kept me sane for at least six years years and provide a great source of information and entertainment. You guys are awesome. Four more years.

[Buzz]

You'Ve got karma and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then right up the road here in Georgetown, Texas. 263.22 cents. Associate Executive Producer credit goes to Thomas Anaya, who has no note. That means Thomas gets a double up karma today.

[Buzz]

You've got double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

Pete Arnold iii in Becker, Minnesota. 233. Wait a minute. 233. 70. This is Pete from Hire a Pro Again.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's back.

[Adam Curry]

Second donation on the same show. Second note. I wasn't joking when I said my ideas were disruptive. Anyway, I've got a group of good. The note wasn't long enough. Anyway, I've got a group of good people that deserve a boost to their station that I would love to work with as we grow a company together. So one more jobs karma over here for them Minnesota people. Remember, Hire a Pro. Thanks again, boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting. It's like a. It's like a pre roll and a post roll in one donation segment. I support this idea. Come back with us with a payoff.

[Adam Curry]

It was pretty good. I like some jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll take the one after this one because you apparently have a note for Chris Borman in Simsbury, Connecticut.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you have. You do. Eric.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eric stottlemeier in Princeton, Minnesota. 212.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of Minnesota people today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Interesting. 212 72. Eric. Eric here with Easy Construction Solutions.

[Adam Curry]

Another one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been donating $4 a week since June of 2023, a program I feel everyone should be doing if they feel like they can't afford a larger donation. Please deduce you've been de douched. I thought I'd celebrate being halfway to knighthood with my first associate executive producership. I am a general contractor in the Twin Cities and service all of Minnesota and Wisconsin with a special path for cabin country. Cabin country with the insane weather. From Bemidji, Minnesota, I've been to Bemidji. Bemidji, Minnesota, I have Bemidji. They have a very small airport. Bemidji, Minnesota to Baldwin, Wisconsin. I thought instead of paying for annoying spam texts to homeowners or even more annoying door knockers. Sounds related. I donate to the best podcast in the universe. Seems better to just put my info out into the Noah Jenna universe and let the good Lord take take it from there. Visit easy roofingmn.com well, how about. Are these guys working together?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Easy roofingmn.com to send me a note.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely an attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Attack of the Minnesotans. If I can help you with the next project anywhere in Minnesota, Wisconsin, the website will get better. I'm a far better contractor than web developer. Finally, as a pastor, son PK Adam's recent faith journey has been so encouraging and up to uplifting. I'll leave you with my favorite verse, Galatians 6:9a do not grow weary in doing good. Oh, 6, 9a. Do not grow weary and doing good, which you two seem to embody. Thank you for your courage. Eric Stoudemire, future Sir Eric, keeper of the cabin country. All right, brother. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Christian money.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, we got Chris Boorman in Simsbury, Connecticut. 216 54. After five years of listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

It's time I put my money where my mouth is and donate. We had a number of people today that have been listening for years on end.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's fine, you know.

[Adam Curry]

No, it is fine, but it's just. It just tells anybody out there that does podcasts, it doesn't all come in when it should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just so you know, you gotta. What was it? Do not grow weary in doing good.

[Adam Curry]

Do not grow weary because you're going to be waiting for a long five years for the. For Chris here. I put my money where my mouth is and donate. So please deduce me you've been de douched. What finally got me moving? He asks what finally got me moving. Well, when I heard you worked with Chip Ingram on their podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, how about that?

[Adam Curry]

Chip was born on the 21st of June, 1950. 54. So I hereby dubbed this 21. 216.54. It's a chip. You should put ship on the. On the birthday list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chip Ingram donation.

[Adam Curry]

It's a Chip Ingram donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Put him on the list.

[Adam Curry]

Check the Chip Ingram donation. It's gonna be a thing. It's gonna be a thing. He says. It's gonna be a thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when was his birthday? The 21st.

[Adam Curry]

The 21st of June. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chip room.

[Adam Curry]

And there's another Christian donation because he says, come on, fellow Christian douchebags. Who's with me? I'm also requesting a generous supply of jobs Karma. God bless you both, says Chris.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chip Ingram donation. Two ten and sixty cents. La Jolla Salt Corporation, La Jolla, California. We're stamping, aren't we? Said the elephant to the mouse. Yes, declared the mouse. And moisturizing while we exfoliate with luxurious sea salt scrubs from la jollasalt.com While you're smoking a Pall Mall now they will know know us from our stomp and glow Rejoiced the elephant and they all put the same put on the same same hat. La jollassault.com Mouse and Elephant not included. Thank you for your courage. Creative. I like it. It's not bad.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy's up. He's in Bensonville, Illinois, and he came in with 206.29. John, great newsletter. I thought I had cooking basmati rice down until your recipe. Yes, the last newsletter had the basmati rice recipe, which I promised on the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, people love, love that.

[Adam Curry]

Good. Well, they need to learn how to cook that rice. It's not cooked the way they show you on YouTube.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. You don't need to repeat it. It'[e-mail] your recipe.

[Adam Curry]

John's technique yields a much fluffier rice with better texture. I was inspired. I'm sorry I had to spike the ball once in a while with something decent. Yeah, I was inspired and made some. I made some Persian meatballs with ground butter buffalo from the farmer's market in a pomegranate honey reduction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Wow. Eli, the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

I got him. I fired him.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little chef on the side. I like that.

[Adam Curry]

Serve with a side of yogurt. Dill cucumbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, nice.

[Adam Curry]

It was marvelous. Now, if you could just do me a favor and recommend a good wine to pair with the meal next time. I have a wine tip for today's tip of the day. Obviously, I'm a man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will it. Will it pair?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it would pair perfectly with this. Obviously, I'm a man that loves good flavor, and I bring that same passion to curating our selection of coffees. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20. Grab a bag of something delicious today. Stay caffeinated, says Eli, the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And our final associate executive producer. There she is once again, the one, the only Linda Lupatkin from Lakewood, Colorado, who always wants jarbs. Jarbs. Karma, Jobs, karma. And Linda says for a resume that tells your story, highlights your wins, and shows why you're unique, visit ImageMakers Inc.com for a resume that gets results. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, Jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Buzz]

And jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, dynamite, everybody. Thank you so much to our executive and associate executive producers. Long Notes, but entertaining nonetheless. I have to say, there's content in the donations. This is the part that people sometimes miss when I think, well, I gotta thank all those people. Yeah, there's content in there. You'd be surprised. Thank you all. And of course, we'll be thanking people who donated $50 and above in our second segment coming up shortly. And as always, you can support us with your value for value, time, talent, or treasure. For the treasure, go to no Agenda donations dot com. Any amount, anytime you want to, that you can tell some people after five years, we appreciate it. And of course, you can set up a sustaining donation, any amount, any frequency. No agenda, donations.com. thank you again to these executive and associate executive producers.

[Buzz]

Our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I said, what in the world is this? So just as a short, humorous moment. So I don't know if you saw the. The long, long press conference that Trump gave the other day. He does, but which one's not long?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which is a huge contrast. Everybody else has ever been in office.

[John C. Dvorak]

How can you miss it? The quad screen is all Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like. Yeah, they're going to him live now. They. You know, MSNBC used to reject that. We're not gonna. We're not gonna go live.

[Adam Curry]

It's too entertaining. They're crazy not to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So I caught this little moment in the middle of one of his press conferences I thought was cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Buzz]

Is there any more information on the special prosecutor? So many Americans still have questions about the 2020 election. And speaking of rogue judges, would you consider appointing somebody at doj, maybe to investigate the judges that allowed for the political persecution of you, your family, and your supporters during the Biden administration?

[Craig Vaughn]

I love you.

[Buzz]

Who are you from Lindell tv?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a very nice question, and it's not a setup.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea who you are.

[Adam Curry]

But I appreciate that question. All I can say is we're not here for that. I hope so. I hope they're doing a thing. Because that election was rigged and stolen, and we can't allow that to happen. You know, a lot of people tell me, sir, you just won the greatest election in the history of our country.

[John C. Dvorak]

You won it.

[Adam Curry]

Numbers that won all seven swing states, won the popular vote, won everything. Sir, go on with your life. And the many people say that, good people, friends of mine, then you have people that say that same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go on with your life. But you have to find out what.

[Adam Curry]

Happened, because you can't let that happen again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, this is the. Was a black girl.

[Adam Curry]

Not letting that one go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was this the black girl?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, this is a. I think her name's Cara and she is. Works for Lindell tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mike Lindell.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He's got his own little network.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, but he's got quite the network.

[Adam Curry]

And he, and she was wearing. And he said the girl in the red dress. And then he picked somebody in an orange. I think you're going to start seeing a very colorful press grouping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so they can get picked. Pick me, Pick me.

[Adam Curry]

This is the, it reminds me of the, the floor of the stock exchanges where guys would get dressed up in clown outfits so you could be easily identified. And I think you're going to start seeing that because he was going with. Oh, the red dress to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Not a setup. Mike Lindell. Lindell, by the way, who gets no credit for the lawsuit that he went through. You know, they, they tried to sue him for like Dominion level money. One of the, one of those people over there and, and he was successful at fending it off, but they, he, they ruined his whole business and he still keeps on, on trucking.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's a, he's a perseverance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, him and the. Who's the overstock.com guy who used to be the CEO.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I forgot about him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, he's still out there. Patrick. Patrick. Yeah. They got the goods. They know. We'll see if that ever happens. RFK Jr. On the move once again. And this of course is the, the new committee who comes in for the vaccine policy. I thought I'd kick it off with France. France Van Katra. This is great to hear. You know, without evidence, you know, discredited claims, falsely claims and this false claim, this really does. This girl really does it all here in this quick report.

[Buzz]

RFK Jr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Donald Trump's health secretary and long standing vaccine skeptic fired 17 experts on that advisory panel recently. He replaced them with eight new people, mostly anti vaxxers.

[Adam Curry]

On Thursday, they voted to lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it's a lie. But even France 24 is apparently captured.

[Buzz]

By the big pharma, mostly anti vaxxers. On Thursday, they voted to walk back vaccine recommendations for the flu, for the common flu. And the reason being a common false argument of anti vaxxers that the flu vaccine has an ingredient.

[Adam Curry]

So this is. You make me interrupt the whole thing because she's going to say stuff like false argument.

[Craig Vaughn]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, false argument.

[Adam Curry]

It's an argument, not a false argument. What is that? This doesn't even make sense. It's like a non sequitur to say something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what's so good about it.

[Buzz]

Vaccine recommendations for the flu, for the common flu and the reason being a common false argument of anti vaxxers that the flu vaccine has an ingredient that is linked to autism. That's what the New York Times reports in this article. The decision signaling a quote powerful shift it says in the way federal officials approach vaccines but also delivering the first blows to scientific, to a scientific process that has delivered effective action and tested vaccines to Americans for decades. Now that ingredient I mentioned is with complete immunity.

[John C. Dvorak]

She forgot to mention that with complete immunity from lawsuits in case they hurt.

[Adam Curry]

You ingredients by the way just before I forget I don't say it enough on the show. That's the key.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Get rid of that bullcrap. Every pill that they sell you, they sell you a pill or a therapy of any sort they are subject to being sued for bad medicine or you know, if it makes you sick, it makes you ill, it kills you. Yeah everybody. For everything else there's, there's, you know you can be liable but for this one product and one product only there's, they're indemnified. How does that work? Why.

[Buzz]

Really mentioned is the focus of this article here in the conversation in Australian academic research website which explains that it's called, it's actually a preservative and it's called thimerosal. It's a mercury based preservative used in some drug products because it prevents contamination by killing microbes. But the website says it's important to note that it's hardly ever used in flu vaccines today. The website also explaining that the argument that vaccines cause autism because of this ingredient first surfaced in 1998 when a report now discredited report was published in the medical journal the Lancet claiming that several children had developed autism following the flu shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well good job girl. Good job. Good job. Okay fine. So that's the European take CBS as you can imagine well they have other things to say. A CDC vaccine advisory committee with new.

[Adam Curry]

Members handpicked by Health and Human Services.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Met for.

[Adam Curry]

The first time today.

[Craig Vaughn]

The committee makes recommendations on the use and scheduling of vaccines for children and adults.

[Adam Curry]

As Elaine Quijano reports several members of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The committee share Secretary Kennedy's skepticism about vaccines.

[Buzz]

Dr.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought they were anti vaxxers. What is this? Skeptics. That's no good. You don't want skeptics on an advisory committee. That doesn't make any sense.

[Buzz]

Dr. Jennifer Duchon has treated hundreds of RSV cases in children at Mount Sinai Hospital Hospital in New York City. How severe can RSV symptoms be? RSV can be extremely severe.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can. You notice what they're doing here? They're taking a. A report about the Vaccine Commission Advisory committee, and they're turning it into an ad for the RSV vaccine. These people have no shame.

[Buzz]

Send children to the icu. It can cause them to need intubation, a breathing tube, mechanical ventilation, constant breathing treatments. Last fall and winter, during the height of RSV season, Dr. Duchon, who specializes in pediatric infectious diseases, saw a drop in RSV hospitalizations compared to previous years. She says that's in part because of the RSV immunization that's given to babies after they're born. Even though fewer infants were hospitalized for rsv, it was still the leading cause of hospitalization for that age group. Preliminary estimates. Estimates by the CDC show up to 23,000 people died from RSV last season.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I love it how everything else, they always bring in other factors, but, you know, were these mothers, did they have the COVID vaccine? Is there anything else that was going on? Well, there was a drop because of this. I mean, that doesn't even say that it's effective. It says, well, there was a drop in RSV cases because, you know, because we have this RSV vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

This is unbelievable. And by the way, the CBS is gonna fail with this idea of having. Having these two anchors. That was John Dickerson and that other guy, because you can't. The olden days when you had two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anchors, you can't have two dudes, man.

[Adam Curry]

You can have two dudes. No, I don't think Huntley and Brinkley were finest. Here's the problem. If you start looking at it, it looks like it's couple of. Like a couple or a couple of brothers or something because they finish each other's sentences. This is not done right. You can't have one guy start the sentence and the other guy finish. Finish it. It's like. So they go back and forth and back and forth with the read. So you got your read on the prompter, and they have half of it said by one guy. The other guy kicks in and starts talking, and the other guy kicks in and starts talking as though in this one presentation, you have to go to one guy for the presentation and go to the other guy for another presentation. You can't go back and forth and back and forth.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're running it like local. Like the local news or like entertain or worse.

[Adam Curry]

They're running it like those twin sisters who. Who finish these other sentences and talk exactly at the same time. It's terrible. Rigorous, traditional approach.

[Buzz]

The committee that advises the CDC on vaccines announced today it plans to examine the long established childhood vaccination schedule, including whether infants should receive an RSV immunization before eight months. Also under consideration, whether hepatitis B shots are needed for all newborns before leaving the hospital. Hospital. And the timing and formulation for the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. What's your reaction to what you're hearing out of Washington and this panel right now? It makes me concerned that again, focusing on the risks as opposed to the overall benefits which have been proven over time.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great. They're focusing on the risks. Why would you focus on the risk? That makes no sense.

[Buzz]

That again, focusing on the risks as opposed to the overall benefits which have been proven over time. The panel is expected to vote tomorrow on whether to recommend that RSV immunization for infants that we mentioned. They're also scheduled to vote on whether to recommend the flu vaccine. And specifically they plan to discuss a preservative that is no longer widely used in flu shots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Widely used thimerosal, which is mercury. And he. We got to bring in the doc now. Bring in the puke. Lapuk, the spook.

[Craig Vaughn]

Last night we told you about a meeting of Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newly selected vaccine Vaccine Advisory Committee, which.

[Craig Vaughn]

Includes members who share his vaccine skepticism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today that. So this is the new talking point. They share his vaccine skepticism. Some members share his vaccine skepticism. Isn't that what the American people deserve? For them to be skeptics? Is this a bad thing? I asked.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a bad thing. You want. It's going to hurt the pharmaceutical bottom line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Craig Vaughn]

Which includes members who share his vaccine skepticism. Today that panel endorsed flu vaccinations for the fall, but only for shots that do not include an ingredient which has been falsely linked to autism. Our Chief Medical Correspondent, Dr. John Lapook asked a former Acting Director of the CDC about the significance of this week's meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until recently, I think most of the public public didn't even know this committee existed.

[Buzz]

We do have real world evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

This committee exists to provide advice and guidance to the medical community so that we can give the best advice to our patients and they can make the best decisions about their health and the health of their children. Dr. Richard Besser is a pediatrician and the president of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. You were the CDC director and you interacted with. With this committee. How does what's happening now differ from what happened in your day in the past? If there was a question that this committee wanted to address, they would put together a work group and it would have two members of the ACIP of the committee as well as the best scientists from cdc. They would spend months diving into the science before they would bring it to the committee. This issue today didn't go through that process, and that's really concerning.

[Craig Vaughn]

Where does it. Where I think it leaves us is.

[John C. Dvorak]

That there will be other organizations that come forward and make vaccine recommendations. The Academy of Pediatrics, different infectious disease societies. I think it's worth mentioning that the whole reason RFK Jr became interested in this is because he was suing the. He was suing companies over mercury in the water. And he tells a story, met many times, and that there was this group of mothers who kept showing up. Every single time, every. Everywhere he went, they kept saying, please listen to us. And they gave him this huge stack of papers and research, of scientific research, I guess, about thimerosal and how it had hurt their children. And that's how he. And he went. Because this is what he does. He's a lawyer. He goes through this stuff and he has the whole, I guess at the time, the Children Health Defense Network. And he says, you know, this is a real problem. Or is it? Let's ask the doctor. The American College of Physicians, which has more than 160,000 members, called this week's meeting a dangerous and reckless path that will leave our patients vulnerable to preventable illnesses. If I'm a parent watching this, I might think, well, no big deal.

[Buzz]

I'm going to still be able to.

[Craig Vaughn]

Get flu vaccine and I'd rather it not have mercury.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the problem? The whole process today suggests that there is something unsafe about our vaccine system, and there isn't.

[Craig Vaughn]

There are still decisions to be made about additional vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

The committee is weighing changes to recommendations.

[Craig Vaughn]

For the measles and hepatitis B vaccines. There is still no decision on this fall's Covid shots.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you giving a kid hepatitis B vaccine? It's a sexually transmitted disease. A. But B does what? What does this guy just say? Remember back in the day when the swine flu vaccine came out because they were lined up to get the swine FL vaccine and one of the batches of the swine flu vaccine was very well documented, contained live swine flu virus so they could spread it faster. But there's no liability. Don't worry about it. Yeah, they got. Got caught with their pants down with that vaccine that had live flu, swine flu viruses in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was not a good product.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's your update. What was this? I think you have a clip about this. The. The syringe attacks in France.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is one of these. I'd like to have these stories that nobody covers. It shows up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was covered. It was covered. I saw it.

[Adam Curry]

Was it? I didn't hear it except on this report.

[Buzz]

Festival goers in France were targeted in more than 100 syringe attacks over the weekend. 145 people were jabbed with syringe syringes at different venues across the country during Fete de la Musique. Teenage girls were among the people who ended up in hospital. Most noticed a mark on their body before feeling ill and seeking medical help. Officials have not yet said what was in the syringes. 12 people have now been detained in relation to the attacks. So with hundreds of thousands of people set to attend festivals in the UK this summer, how can you protect yourself? Germany, generally, the advice is to make sure you're aware of your surroundings. If you see something suspicious, then report it to staff or the police. And don't leave any possessions or drinks unattended.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do we know what was in there yet?

[Adam Curry]

No, there's never been any follow up on this story. I think they suppressed the story because they don't want to give people ideas. I mean, if you're going to have these cities, San Francisco being one of them and now New York's going to be one of them. And it's very popular up in Seattle and Portland, places like that, that where you have free syringes being given away. So drug users can take their drugs in their little place. They have a little playoff and take the drugs in a safe place. And so there's free syringes flying all over the place. They're left in the street. They're all over the place. It's terrible. You're going to have something like this. Could become an epidemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I just wonder why we haven't. They're still awaiting toxicology reports. Toxicology reports.

[Adam Curry]

We're never going to hear any. Anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Adam Curry]

All right, what do we got here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just a little boots on the ground from one of our producers about the passkeys we were talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says there's one additional little thing. Passwords. So the passkey is, you know, you don't actually know the passkey. You have it stored on your device or on your computer or on your. Your phone. He says passwords are actually protected under the Fifth Amendment since you can't be forced to reveal what you know. Pass keys work differently. The user doesn't actually know the passkey. It's stored in access with biometrics or a device pin. He says that way passkeys generally do not get the same legal protection against compelled use. I think that's a very astute observation. Observation.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is a very good.

[Adam Curry]

Stay with the old passwords, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think that you think you should. Yeah. Because they could say, hey, just look here and your phone unlocks with your face. Which I've never understood as a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never understood that. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, it's easy. Well, okay, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Well, everything. How about no password? That's easy. That's the easiest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even when you're dead, you just hold the phone up to the dead person's face. Boom, opens. Good to go. Thumbprint.

[Adam Curry]

Venezuelans in Chicago is not. Pbs, again is promoting the, you know, the state of affairs. Anything that kind of pushes back on Trump's agenda because he didn't give them their 1% of their money, they're going to pull the funds. And so. So we're going to see a lot of pro pride, flag, pro immigration kinds of stories. You're going to still have Brooks and Capehart agreeing with each other. It's getting just downhill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chuck Hernandez is chair of the Chicago Republican Party.

[Adam Curry]

There's not really an appetite to support.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those who come here, whether it be illegally or under a temporary program that was put in by Biden. He says the Trump administration has a right to enact its immigration policies. He says the arrivals from Venezuela have strained Chicago's resources.

[Adam Curry]

We're having right now in Chicago a real crunch financially. And then the amounts of Chicago taxpayer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money going towards many of these groups, it's money that could be used towards.

[Adam Curry]

Citizens that should not be going towards these people that are here on a temporary type of basis.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you respond to people who say t is for temporary?

[Buzz]

The issue here is not that they are dealing with tanks, they're dealing with human beings.

[John C. Dvorak]

And when a human being is afraid.

[Adam Curry]

To go back and that really what the situation is here, that people has been told that Venezuela is getting better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Venezuela is not getting better. Venezuela is getting worse.

[Adam Curry]

I sympathize with Them. But this was the fault of the Biden administration by giving people false hope that you can control.

[Buzz]

Come here.

[John C. Dvorak]

For their part, Venezuelans we spoke with said they feel a sense of deja vu all over again.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So they're painting. This is part of a long report. And they have the cold hearted Republican, you know, saying, we can't afford this. It's just that simple. And then you have all these sympathetic voices that go on about, you know, it's just people. It's people. And this is hard to fight. You know, this is a. The strategy you use when you want to slam something. You.

[John C. Dvorak]

You use people.

[Adam Curry]

You abuse people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Sympathy. Sympathy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. My country, there is no legal process.

[Adam Curry]

The United States was the first country to guarantee those freedoms. And now living through this situation, it feels the same as what happened in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Venezuela because they are not respecting the.

[Adam Curry]

Due process of the people.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the meantime, many will continue to stay in the shadows, afraid of what lurks outside their front door. For the PBS NewsHour, I'm Fred DeSam Lazzaro in Chicago.

[Adam Curry]

So here's the question I have. All right, they're in Venezuela. They put them into Chicago. What about Mexico or Costa Rica or Brazil or Colombia or Ecuador with this. Well, why don't. This is like the Palestinians. Nobody wants to take them, I guess. So we take. We have to take them because nobody else will take them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you're sounding like a Republican.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I sound like a Republican, but it's like they speak Spanish. They're in a continent, except for Brazil, which speaks Portuguese, but they're basically in a. And you can make that transition. It's not that difficult. But they're in an entire continent of Spanish speakers. Speakers all the way through. Up through Central America and Mexico.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And we have to take them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I just. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No person is illegal. A person cannot be illegal. What's wrong with you? Do you not love people? What's. You are a horrible man.

[Adam Curry]

Which brings you to a tick clock.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Tick tock, clip time.

[Adam Curry]

Stolen land, girl.

[Buzz]

I don't want to hear another white person say the word illegal for the rest of my goddamn life. We are living. Living on stolen land. Our ancestors forcibly and violently seized this land from the indigenous peoples who were living here for generations before we ever showed up. We do not get to call them illegal. We don't own the planet. Nobody does. We are evolved monkeys with opposable thumbs who use them to write little monkey scribbles on a slice of Tree and we call it a birth certificate with our, our little monkey sounds. All of it is made up. None of it is real and it doesn't matter. And it's certainly not a valid reason to rip a terrified screaming child away from his weeping mother. And I am tired of being made to feel like I'm crazy for being angry about this. Capitalism is just narcissism as an economic system. Imperialism is just narcissism as a form foreign policy. If the lion can't claim the safari for himself and call the elephant illegal, then neither the can we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that was interesting. If the lion can't. Let me just. I want to hear that thing.

[Adam Curry]

That was unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me hear that again.

[Buzz]

Capitalism is just narcissism as an economic system. Imperialism is just narcissism as a foreign policy. If the lion can't claim the safari for himself and kill call the elephant illegal, then neither the fuck can we.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is again, this makes me just very sad because she is very, very wound up about this and I'm sure that she is not doing anything about it herself except screaming on TikTok, which doesn't run for city council, run for government.

[Adam Curry]

You do something, you do nothing. Phony. That's what I call her. She's a phony. I don't feel sorry sorry for her. She's a big phony. Why don't you go do like you said, become politically active if you feel so strong about this stuff. She wants instead of looking at tick tock.

[John C. Dvorak]

She needs a hug. All these people need hugs and love. Oh, give me another. Give me another. Give me another.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this one I end up cutting off because she just goes on too much. But this is mom on the Z. This Mom Z girl up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mom. What does that mean? Mom Z girl up.

[Adam Curry]

You don't even know anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't even know anymore.

[Buzz]

I'm gonna start this video by saying. Saying that this is not the usual content I normally share on my page. I had easily the most unsettling experience I have ever had as a mother this morning and I wanted to come here and share about it. I'm actually feeling really shaken up inside, but I'm doing my best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you remember. Now you remember. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this the way that it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I have found. This is only part of it. This is why I cut it off because I'm going to explain what it is. I have found at least 10. 10 of these. Exactly the same. It's exactly the same. I'm a mother and I was, I was leaving the store. And somebody came up to me and says, can you help me? Can I hold your baby while you move my car? Because I can't get in the seat. There's always a million reasons that somebody comes up to me, holds the baby. There's always a van involved. There is a van parked here. And then. And the woman, the mother says, well, let's, let's go inside the store. Store and we'll talk to a manager, maybe they can help you. And then they go inside the store and then the woman disappears and gets into a van and drives off. Because it was a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There is at least 10 of these videos out there. And this is just one example. And I don't know. This is. That's why I have Z. It's an op. Okay, but what kind of an OP is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's listen.

[Buzz]

I'm going to start this video by saying that this is not the usual content I normally share on my page. I had easy, easily the most unsettling experience I have ever had as a mother this morning and I wanted to come here and share about it. I'm actually feeling really shaken up inside. But I'm doing my best not to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Translate that over camera because I'm not at all narcissistic. It's not at all about me and about how I feel and how shaken up I am that I usually don't share this on my page. But please look at me while I talk about me and my feelings.

[Buzz]

I really don't want to spread fear to anybody. I just simply want to inform other mothers that this, this happened to me today and this is unfortunately happening. And I saw a video maybe two months ago of a mom who had an almost identical experience. And her sharing her experience, I believe helped me know how to navigate this in the best and most productive way possible. So here goes. I went to Kroger around 9am this morning, broad daylight, and I got out of my car with my daughter and a woman approached me. She said that she had parked her car too close to the car next to it and when it was unable to get back into her car to back it out, she asked me if I would back her car out for her and offered multiple times to hold my daughter while I backed her car out for her. When I looked to her car, I noticed her car was parked in one space and with about maybe a foot space in between. There was an old beat up van parked on the other side of the driver's seat of her car. I was very firm with her and said, you will not be holding my child. But I offered to go inside and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, okay, so it's a child rousting gig of some sort.

[Adam Curry]

But why is this video cropping up? And it's in slightly different forms, but it's basically the same story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can tell you what this is. This is. This happened to a really good friend of mine's, brother, grandfather, uncle. But it's true.

[Adam Curry]

True.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what this is. This is just people like I've got. You know, I usually have nothing to say on my page, but I came here to talk about this on my page.

[Adam Curry]

You nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I nailed it.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly what it is. You nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous. Narcissism is a very, very dangerous drug. A lot of people are addicted to it and TikTok is the dealer. And now we will thank our donor. Remember, we still have end of show mixes. Coming up, we got John's tip of the day. Apparently a wine tip. So this is one you want to stay tuned for. We have a meetup report. We got lots of awards to hand out today. PhDs, we got knights, we got title changes. And a wedding we're going to. Or a forthcoming nuptials we'll celebrate. But first, John's going to thank our supporters for. Episod 1777 $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. I don't know anything about the wedding. Yeah, Dame Danny's up. She's in Mount Shasta, California. Beautiful area. $77.71, which is 1777. 1777 plus a penny for the jar.

[John C. Dvorak]

We put it in there. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Heather smith in Portland, Oregon. 10534 is for her husband, Steve Vitorali, I guess of Ozark, Kansas. Please deduce him you've been de douched. And if you can remember to give him some jobs, karma at the end, she'd appreciate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Kelly Spongberg. I haven't heard from her for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's a he, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it could be, but he or she is in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. And it's 100 bucks and travel karma for Dame Andrea Garnier or Andrea. Andrea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Andrea. Andrea.

[Adam Curry]

David Zawis. Zawasak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zavaslack. Zavaslack. You know, black.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, whoever this David is, he's in Deplanes or des Plaines, Illinois. 9356, which is 1776 nickels plus fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a good one. I like that.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin McLaughlin conquer North Carolina. He's the Archduke of loon, lover of America and lover of melons. Boobs. 8008. John Ferran in Lake Placid, Florida, Florida. A 78. 77. And he could use the de douching. You've been de douched. He was General Karma at the end too. 777-7877. From Todd Webster in Fort Worth, Texas. Todd and Cheryl Dorfel in Big Pine Key, Florida.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are the mom and dad of the Dorfel verse.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, they came with 7877.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Darius Walker in Charleston, West Virginia, Virginia. 7877. Anonymous in San Rafael, California. 7877. No need to read my name on the show. And we didn't. Megan Klein in Santa Barbara, California. 76. Oh, she came in again. Megan climbed switcheroo this time. 70 is also 70. 76. And she's doing a switcheroo for her. Smoking hot dude. Vitas the Destroyer. Dame rita in Sparks, Nevada. 76. ITM gentlemen. Jorge Alvarez and Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida. 7171. John Alberini and parts unknown. 7026. Garrett Hollander in Farmington, Arkansas. 66.66. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. 66 40. Which is 66 books and 40 authors. There's a reference there. You know what it was? I forgot already. Jeffrey Blake in York, Maine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bible. It's the Bible.

[Adam Curry]

The Bible. The Bible. Right. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

You forgot already.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bible, Bible.

[Adam Curry]

Jeffrey Blake in Yorka, Maine. 66. Craig Kohler in Evansville, Indiana. 6502. The chip donation. The rarest of all. Jamie Buell in Vista, California. 6006. Chris Kincaiden Tyler, Texas. 5809. Sir Kyle in Bertram, Texas. 5776. From Sir Kyle and the Three Daughter Donkeys call out Mindy, his amazing girlfriend. She's a douchebag. He said.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Mindy. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Mindy. How you doing? Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina. 5272. Commodore Crummy, which is a great name. El Cahoon, 5272. Now we go to Sir Sergeant Postal from Miami Lakes, Florida. 50 33. Eduardo Eduardo Jimenez in Mission, British Columbia. 50 33. Happy birthday to his smoking hot wife, Gina. Richard Gardner, 50. Oh, these are. The rest of these are 50s. Not too many. Kind of run short here. Richard Gardner. Stephen Grab in Lansdale, Pennsylvania. Aaron Wise Gerber In Bend, Oregon, Benjamin Ryan in Alliance, Ohio, Bobby Brown in Bluegrass, Iowa, Leaf Thompson in Meridian, Idaho. And there's a big black line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, what is that about?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. I've never seen that before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's where it ends. It ends. That's the end.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that big black line is the end. Oh, it's so short. I thought there was like the. Oh, that's terrible. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible thing, horrible thing.

[Adam Curry]

Big black line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you very much to these donors. $50 and above. We do not mention under $50 for reasons of anonymity. We do have a note here and a check from Southeastern Turf Grass Supply. David Wicker. Sir, by his grace. And this was for episode 1776. He sent us double nickels on the dime. 1776 is such a great accomplishment and he thanks us for our courage. And he also sent of a lot along a hat. The hat for Willie to wear. Willie, my chess partner. And I got a note from Sir Andy of Terrible Beach. He said, adam, I don't know if this is allowed, but yesterday I asked Dame Kiley of the Double D Cups to marry me and she said yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. Congratulations, we're very happy. Of course we'll mention that. Are you kidding me? It is always allowed when two no agenda people get engaged and they, they enter into that sacred covenant. Yes, you better believe that it's allowed. Thank you all so much. And of course than thanking our executive and associate executive producers for this episode as well. You can support us and we encourage you to do so by going tonoen Agenda donations dot com. Well, first and foremost we must say happy birthday to Chip Ingram who celebrated his birthday on the 21st. M. Andrew Jones celebrated yesterday dirty Jersey hordes his birthday today on the 29th. Hey, dirty Jersey whore. Sir Jere celebrates on the 4th of July. Tanya Alexian wishes her boyfriend Jeffrey Sarkisian a happy one on the sixth. And Eduardo Jimenez, happy birthday to his smoking hot wife Gina. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Yeah. And this is from Sir Buja Hadeen, who is a layaway baron. He started his 33. 33 monthly donations back in 2020 along with several larger one time donations and he has now reached the title of Baron and so he's changing his title to Sir Bujahedeen Baron of the freedom fighters available. He would like to take Rutherford County, Tennessee as his protectorate and I believe that is possible. He also says he has to bring up an issue with us. He's A devoted listener to no Agenda, as well as Dave Smith and Scott Horton. And he's.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a who.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like, don't be so mean. Please don't be so mean. We're not. We're just. We're just who we are. And we are who we are. So we are. Can't help it. We have a couple of congratulations and thank you, Sir Boojahideen. Now Baron of the Freedom fighters, we have 1, 2, 3 PhDs who will all be going to noagendarings.com to receive or to let us know where to send their PhD certificates. A beautiful certificate. You see it there? It's a special little tab for the PhDs. Give us the name you want on it and address. We'll send it off to Sir Sonderegger of the Bluff Woods, Dan Madore and Brian L. Congratulations on your PhD in media decade construction. We have instantite note. This is going back to 1776 from Sir Jre. He's going to be knighted today and he wants jobs karma, as he is gainfully employed working 70 hour a week as a normality. Wow, that's something right there. He's a lowly millennial who works too much. So alongside the jobs, throw in some relationship karma. Well, we certainly hope for that for you. And in fact, we need to throw in jobs and a regular karma for everybody as well. I forgot to do that. Jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, Phil Coburn, who says, I hope this email finds you well so this brother can be knighted. Money talk. So please find the donation honor of John's birthday. How old is this? If it pleases the no Agenda Peerage Committee, I request the title befitting of a barian Brother Sir Brother Phil of the no Agenda Roundtable.

[Buzz]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good. And he is from Waramu, Australia. How about that? So we do have a couple of these knights to bring up. You can grab your blade then. We'll get this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got it right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. Ooh, it's the one with that cool handle. I like that one. All right. Sir Jre, Phil Colburn, Brian L. Dan Mador and Daniel J. Franco. All of you gentlemen, please hop up here on the podium. As you have supported no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more, I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate the as Sir Jre, Sir Brother Phil of the no Agenda Round Table. Sir Doc Nelson, Knight of the Capital Region, Circadian of the rhythm section. And I'm Not a spook. That would be sir to you gentlemen. For you we have hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay, Mouton infused poutine, Arkansas muscadine. We got pepperoni rolls and pale ales. We got cases and sake vodka, vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider ness, ginger Eddy and gerbil, spressed milk and bowel, Matt mutton and mead always on the list and people always seem to love that. Go to noagendarings.com let us know what size ring you have. There is a ring sizing guide on that website. We will send that off to you. It's a signet ring. So with that comes some sticks of wax that we stick into your pack and you can use that to seal your important correspondence. In addition to that, a certificate of authenticity in case anyone ever questions you. And thank you for supporting the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

No Agenda Meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah baby. The party is always on the no Agenda Meetup. You need to go to these. This is where you find the first responders in an emergency. The people who will really help you. Connection gives you protection. No agenda meetups.com and here is the report from Los Angeles. Leo Bravo with his 64th meetup report. Hi everybody, it's Leo Bravo.

[Craig Vaughn]

Meetup number 7 64.

[John C. Dvorak]

Away we go.

[Adam Curry]

ITM gentlemen, sir mainframe of Ventura down.

[Craig Vaughn]

The line, proud member of the no Agenda Mass formation. Hey John and Adam, Sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Leah, Kim, Faux Pop here.

[Craig Vaughn]

Here in beautiful Wilmington at the Marina Cafe where the food is good and.

[Adam Curry]

It'S not even umami.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay everybody. In the morning, a smaller meetup but Leo changes venues all the time, so we do appreciate what you do. Leo Bravo. There's a meetup taking place. Oh, actually it took place this morning. That was Fort Worth, Texas at the Fort Worth Nature Preserve. That was the Do Not Pet the Bison Hike meetup. I hope everyone made it out okay. The June 20th full on summer Startup meetup is underway at Blind Owl Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana. That's Sir Mark and Dame Maria of the Greenwood. The East Texas meetup. That's a birthday meetup. The 33rd plus 16 birthday party extravaganza that's underway in Longview, Texas, where Tola's Pizzeria, of course Dirty Jersey Whore is hosting that on Thursday on show day. The Northern Wake FEMA region number four Potluck and whiskey. There you go. Six o' clock at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. And still on the calendar for July, we have the Denver City park meetup on the 12th Zurich Switzerland on the 12th, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania on the 13th, Fort Wayne, Indiana, on the 19th, and Albany, California, on the 19th. I guess you're going to be going, John, the 19th. It's in your backyard.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. And remember, if you send in a meetup report, and we do encourage that, always include your. Your server to find out where you can find a no agenda meetup. We have a handy website for you. Thank you, Sir Daniel, for creating and maintaining that. Thank you for Mimi, for always sending in this list. It is no agendameetups.com. if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. Right on that website. Always like a party. All right, we have end of show isos, which you always like to choose as kind of audience participation. Because people just send me stuff and like. Okay, I'll try to see what John thinks about it.

[Adam Curry]

People are sending you stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's how I get them. I'd never look for something. Something myself. Never. They sent me ISOs. Yeah. That's why mine are so bad.

[Adam Curry]

Let's see what bad ones you got today. They did dumps. They call them dumps. Big, massive dumps.

[John C. Dvorak]

The biggest load that we've seen. There was a combo. It's too long. But it was nice when we.

[Adam Curry]

We designed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but he stitched it together and so that's it. So yours is going to win by default.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you have two. I only saw one. Oh, I'm sorry. You have an ISO and you. Of an isp. Okay, you want me to play the ISO or the is?

[Adam Curry]

Let's start with the ISO.

[Craig Vaughn]

I love you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. President Trump. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

All right, now play the ips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give this podcast a Pulitzer. Okay, that's done. That is the one. There's no doubt about it. And we go from that straight into John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes. Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Normally, I don't. I do wine tips. Now, on occasion, I don't do as many from Costco because. Except for those Bordeaux boxes, because there's not. The distribution is sketchy. But once in a while, they have a cheap wine that everybody has, I think in most of the stores, and I'm recommending one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I was actually stunned. Stunned, I tell you, by the quality of this product. It's a California wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

And wait, this is available at Costco?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I was actually stunned. Stunned and more stunned before you even tell us.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how did you discover this? I mean, you saw a bottle. You like that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm at Costco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're like that looks like crap, but I'll try it anyway.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it goes. It goes like this. This is my, my methodology for buying rando wines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rando wine?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, I said going by, and I'm looking, I say, well, that label's screwy. That looks like. In fact, it looks like a, an old fashioned Geyser Peak label. It just has a different look for a Kirkland wine. It's a Kirkland wine. I'm looking. This is. Oh, it's $9 and 90 cents, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, in the pocket, baby. That's right in your price range.

[Adam Curry]

Let me look at it. You know, that's a cheap California Cabernet. I'm thinking this can't be any good, but it's only nine bucks. Let me check it out. It's a stunner, really. I mean, I was taken aback. This is the Kirkland Cabernet Sauvignon from Alexander Valley, which is a great little Cabernet growing area. Alexander Valley 2022.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a good year for Cabernet.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good year for a lot of things. And Bordeaux is a really good year. And so you. So this wine for $9.90 or whatever it was, is ridiculously taste. It's structured beautifully. Normally, for that kind of money, California wines are flabby. They're not balanced correctly. They don't have the right flavors, the profile. This is a stunner, I'm telling you. Maybe I got just a good bottle as possible, but I would recommend this. Give this a shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Well, I would say maybe you should try Aldi from time to time, see if you can find something there. I mean, you're just finding all the good stuff at all the craziest places.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said, hey, now, that's a very valuable tip. And there's many more to be found at Tip of the Day or no Agenda Fund. That is John's Tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Created by Dana Brunetti. That's right, created by Dana Brunetti. Where would we be without Dana Brunetti? We would just be poor, sappy podcasters. Now we have things created by a Hollywood expert and. And that does conclude our broadcast day here on no Agenda. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for participating. Thank you for trolling along. Thank you for supporting us. We encourage support of the show to keep us rolling four more years. No Agenda donations dot com. Coming up next on your modern podcast app, you should keep the stream running or@trollroom IO. Ah, the MMO the millennial media offensive episode 175. Love the those kids. People like them a lot. They also do that show live, so catch them live when you can. End of show mix is classic from Brian Rudder and brand new from Melody. You look forward to that. And we will be back on Thursday hoping that President Trump does something crazy. So y' all tune in and that's likely.

[Adam Curry]

Until then, yes, it is coming to.

[John C. Dvorak]

You from the heart of the Texas Hill country where they wrap Jesus in flags. That is just sacrilegious. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please join us on Thursday and remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo fos are hooey, hooey and such it.

[Buzz]

Build back.

[Adam Curry]

Better Build back better greenhouse gas emissions.

[Craig Vaughn]

The Green New Deal back Boulder.

[Adam Curry]

Build back better. Build back better green new diploma. David Duke. Well, I disavow Ku Klux Klan.

[John C. Dvorak]

I disavowed again.

[Adam Curry]

Again. Condemned.

[Craig Vaughn]

Totally doesn't condemn the darn thing.

[Adam Curry]

I disavowed again. Rebuked. Done. They're not going to be fighting each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've had it.

[Adam Curry]

They've had a big fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like two kids in a schoolyard.

[Adam Curry]

You know, they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight for about two, three minutes and it's easier to stop them. You have to use a certain word.

[Buzz]

The language that you have used when talking to Donald Trump has, which is a bit flattery. Today you called him Daddy. Today you called him Daddy. Today you called him Daddy. You feel you have to act when doing business with the U.S. president through your flatulence and praise.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't it a bit demeaning and doesn't.

[Buzz]

It make you look weep? A bit demeaning and doesn't it make you look weep?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. I think it's a bit of a question of taste, but I think he's a good friend. And when he is doing stuff, which is forcing us to, for example, when it comes to making more investments, the.

[Adam Curry]

Best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios mofo. Dvorak.org n a give this podcast a Pulitzer.