1778 - "Three Holes One Bag"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show – Episode 1778: "Three Holes One Bag"

Release Date: July 3, 2025

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Podcast Title: No Agenda Show
Episode Title: "Three Holes One Bag"

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1. Introduction and Context

00:00 – 01:20

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak kick off the episode with a light-hearted discussion about recent fireworks explosions, setting a casual and conversational tone. They briefly mention a significant warehouse explosion in Yolo County, California, which resulted in the loss of fireworks displays and tragically claimed seven lives.

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2. The "Big Beautiful Bill" and Its Implications

03:38 – 06:57

Discussion Points:

• Legislative Action: The hosts delve into the recently passed legislative bill, referred to as the "big beautiful bill," highlighting its timing and strategic implications.

• Midterm Politics: Emphasis is placed on the bill's passage being a move to influence upcoming midterm elections rather than addressing the bill's content itself.

• Public Exposure: By scheduling the vote during daytime hours, the bill garners more public attention, aiming to spotlight Republican members of Congress in vulnerable districts ahead of elections.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (04:06): "This is not about the bill, it's all about the midterms."

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3. Health Care and Medicaid Cuts

06:44 – 08:21

Discussion Points:

• Work Requirements: Introduction of a mandate requiring Medicaid recipients to work, volunteer, or attend school for at least 80 hours per month unless exempt.

• Eligibility Verification: Stricter verification processes to ensure only eligible individuals receive Medicaid benefits, targeting the removal of benefits for undocumented immigrants and those not actively seeking employment.

• Projected Impact: Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates indicate that approximately 12 million people could lose health insurance coverage over the next decade due to these cuts.

Notable Quote:

Adam Curry (06:57): "Yeah, it’s really because CNN doesn’t want to have to do all this crap in the middle of the night."

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4. Food Aid (SNAP) Reduction

08:09 – 07:50

Discussion Points:

• Funding Cuts: The bill proposes a 20% reduction in funding for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), marking the largest cut in its history.

• Increased Work Requirements: Elevation of work hours required from individuals receiving SNAP, including raising the age at which parents must work if their children are 14 or older.

• State Contributions: Introduction of a mandate requiring states to contribute between 5-15% of SNAP costs, potentially leading to reduced food assistance in states facing budget constraints.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (09:06): "This is the same as you won’t have access to vaccines. It’s exactly the same thing you are."

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5. Climate Change Funding and Clean Tech Initiatives

12:29 – 16:24

Discussion Points:

• NASA Budget Cuts: Significant reductions in NASA's science budget, potentially slashing funding by nearly half in fiscal year 2026. This includes cuts to climate monitoring satellites and technological projects related to environmental research.

• Carbon Credits and ETS: Critique of the European Union's Emission Trading System (ETS) and carbon credit strategies, highlighting inefficiencies and potential exploitation by multinational corporations.

• Additive Manufacturing and Shipbuilding: Allocation of funds toward shipbuilding industrial base and next-generation shipbuilding techniques, viewed skeptically by the hosts as misaligned priorities.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (14:13): "We have to protect the federal funding that makes this possible. Oppose recession today and save local. Local public radio."

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6. Media Coverage and Perceived Bias

17:38 – 22:50

Discussion Points:

• CNN's Reporting: The hosts analyze CNN's coverage of the bill, accusing the network of biased reporting focused solely on the negative impacts without providing balanced perspectives from Republican proponents.

• Lack of Counterarguments: Criticism is directed at CNN for not featuring voices that support the bill, thereby presenting a one-sided narrative aimed at influencing public opinion ahead of the midterms.

• Public Media Funding: Discussion on CNN's promotion of public media funding rescissions, mocked by the hosts as hypocritical and self-serving.

Notable Quote:

Adam Curry (22:47): "I think you're right. And Fox News doesn't take government money and maybe they do."

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7. Artificial Intelligence and Societal Impacts

57:00 – 89:00

Discussion Points:

• AI Friendships: Exploration of the growing trend of individuals forming emotional relationships with AI chatbots, raising concerns about mental health and societal impacts.

• Directed Energy Weapons: Brief mention of Havana Syndrome and potential origins, attributing attacks to foreign state actors like Russia’s GRU unit 29155.

• AI in Media and Relationships: Debate over AI’s role in media consumption and personal interactions, highlighting both its utility and the dangers of over-reliance.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (90:10): "We're still going to spend $46.5 billion for the wall, but don't worry, Mexico's paying for that one, so we can just put that aside."

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8. International Relations and Trade Deals

88:07 – 107:09

Discussion Points:

• US-Vietnam Trade Deal: Announcement of a new trade agreement increasing tariffs on Vietnamese goods while eliminating tariffs on US exports to Vietnam, aimed at enhancing market access and balancing trade deficits.

• Sanctions on Sudan: Detailed the US's decision to impose sanctions on Sudanese authorities, targeting arms sales, financial transactions, and technology exports, in response to allegations of chemical weapons use and human rights violations.

• Middle East Dynamics: Commentary on Israel's stance on Hamas and potential diplomatic ties with Syria, reflecting on the broader geopolitical landscape and US influence in the region.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (95:39): "We're ending that nonsense. We're ending that nonsense now."

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9. Community Engagement and Donations

Throughout the Episode

While the transcript includes numerous segments on community donations, meetups, and shout-outs to supporters, these sections are predominantly promotional and personal in nature. As per the instructions, non-content segments such as advertisements, intros, and outros have been omitted from this summary.

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10. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Last Few Minutes

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak wrap up the episode reflecting on the day's discussions, emphasizing the importance of their independent analysis and the need to remain vigilant against media biases. They encourage listeners to support the show through donations and participate in upcoming meetups, maintaining their commitment to deconstructing mainstream media narratives.

Notable Quote:

John C. Dvorak (201:25): "Remember us at noagenda.donations.com until Sunday."

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Key Takeaways:

• Legislative Impact: The "big beautiful bill" introduces significant cuts to health care, food aid, and climate-related funding, with long-term implications for millions of Americans.

• Media Scrutiny: Mainstream media outlets like CNN are criticized for biased reporting that lacks balanced viewpoints, aimed at influencing public perception ahead of elections.

• AI Concerns: The rise of AI relationships and potential misuse of technology pose challenges to mental health and societal norms.

• International Relations: New trade deals and sanctions reflect shifting geopolitical strategies, particularly concerning Vietnam and Sudan.

• Community Support: Independent podcasts like No Agenda Show continue to engage their audience through funding and local meetups, fostering a community committed to alternative media narratives.

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Note: This summary captures the essence of the episode's discussions, highlighting the hosts' critical perspectives on governmental policies, media bias, and emerging technological issues. Notable quotes are included with approximate timestamps for reference.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I don't understand why they don't think I'm a girl. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, July 3, 2025. This is your award winning Kimball Nation media assassination episode 1778. This is no Agenda, counting the magic minutes and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where all our fireworks were destroyed, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, man, did you see that thing blow? Yeah, that was crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know I have a firework explosion story from when I was, I want to say 11.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before you tell the story, we should mention what hat would. What we're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, when you brought it up, you should mention it.

[Adam Curry]

We have a warehouse I guess in Yolo county, law town and it blew up completely. That taken out most of the fire. So half the fireworks displays in California won't be happening. But it killed now it killed seven people with the. Seven people are just basically missing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't even know that part. That sucks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, by missing we mean blown to smithereens. Yeah, smithereens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think I was 11. And this is in Holland and I. And my. This was for. They don't have a Fourth of July obviously they do have New Year's and in the Netherlands New Year's every year.

[Adam Curry]

They don't have a Fourth of July. They go from July 3rd to July 5th.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just skip right over it. It's just done. It's like they eliminated it from, from the calendar. So New Year's Eve, of course New Year's they go nuts. I mean anyone's ever been in the Netherlands, it's nuts. And it's two weeks before and two weeks after. Everybody's just so jacked about their fireworks because in good socialist manner, that's the only time of the year when you can just go nuts. Everything else is shut up slaves. Sit down and listen to what. Do what you're told. So I was with a friend and his family and this is like a little, kind of like a vacation park. We have little bungalows and so there were loft beds and we were up on the loft bed and of course we had a box of fireworks. Like yeah, yeah, let's take a look at the fireworks. We'd be looking at the fireworks, looking at the firecrackers, looking at them. And it was me, my Buddies, you know, 11 year old friend from school and his younger brother and, and so I'm like, hey, watch this. And so I lit a little lady finger and I'm like, I'll pull the fuse out. Well, of course, flash fuse thing blows up right into the box of fireworks and that stuff goes off and it's, it's, it's mayhem in this little house. It was a relatively small box and, you know, luckily some guys came in and they, you know, they doused water on it. But the place was pretty much smoke ridden, destroyed, and we blamed it on the little brother and that was pretty awesome. We got away with it mostly, but it kind of put me in a different perspective of fireworks. I'm not such a fan anymore. And that's my story.

[Adam Curry]

That's a decent story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. I still.

[Adam Curry]

At least you didn't lose an eye.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. There was no injury. But man, to this day I still kind of feel bad about playing with the kid. And we convinced him, like, yeah, yeah, and I did that.

[Adam Curry]

They were the worst.

[John C. Dvorak]

So as we speak on this Thursday at a little after 1:00 clock in the central time zone, the big beautiful bill is being voted on. Everyone's losing their health care. We're all going to die. We're going to. There's going to be no money left. We got the definite deficit for our children, our grandchildren, our children, children's children.

[Adam Curry]

You've got your four boxes up there. Jeffrey's finally stopped talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finally, finally.

[Adam Curry]

So, so far after a. I think he set a record. He went nine hours or something. Yuck. Yuck. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I actually got a, an interesting analysis from CNN of all places, about this magic minute that he was going for because apparently to go a little bit longer than. What was the Republican who did it last? What's his name? He used to be Speaker. The speaker of the House. Guy who got kicked out. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

McCarthy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, McCarthy. He went for eight hours and so many minutes. And this was the magic minute. Will he make it longer? But CNN had an unch, characteristically good analysis of what is going on because none of this is about the bill. It's all about the midterms. It's all about the Democrats wanting to win a majority in the Senate, in the House. And no one cares about you, America. This is the big secret. Not the Republicans, not the Democrats. They all care about winning in the midterms.

[CNN Reporter]

Seven hours and counting. You see there on the right side of your screen, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, still holding the floor, delivering a marathon speech in opposition to President Trump's massive agenda Bill. Republicans are poised to pass that bill despite his efforts there. But will Jeffrey's magic minute give Democrats some renewed energy as they plot their course forward? That is certainly what they're hoping. My panel is back. Isaac, you have covered Hakeem Jeffries for a long time, many years. Take us inside the strategy that we're seeing play out right now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it's less important for him to beat the Kevin McCarthy record here at 1:30 or whatever point he'll pass that than what he actually has already achieved, which is that this vote was supposed to happen between 6 and 8am when few people would have been awake or paying attention to it. It will now happen at some point in the middle of the day when.

[John C. Dvorak]

More people are paying attention to it.

[Adam Curry]

And that within that is an effort to really specifically call out Republican members of Congress in districts that are that Democrats are going to go after quite hard next year. It started yesterday. The Democrats, before the voting began, did an event on the steps of the Capitol. And he's picked up on this in his speech saying about Rob Bresnahan in Pennsylvania or young Kim in California, these members that again, they want to go after and saying these are the number of their constituents that are going to lose their health coverage, lose their nutritional.

[John C. Dvorak]

Assistance, all these sorts of things.

[Adam Curry]

And that again, happening in the middle of the day rather than before most people had breakfast or were out of bed is what the objective is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. The whole idea is to scare everybody that you're going to lose your health care.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. Do they think that anybody is. Oh, we're going to delay it till afternoon so more people, nobody's paying nobody. Who, who's, who's the people they're talking about that are going to be paying attention in the afternoon and aren't going to be paying attention at 6 in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're correct. It's really because CNN doesn't want to have to do all this crap in the middle of the night. Could you guys please move that to the afternoon so we can grab our clips then? We don't want to have to get up early.

[Adam Curry]

And that's more like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course. And here is a little mini cut of the clips we shall discuss.

[CNN Reporter]

Okay. So you mentioned some of the, what they consider the moderate Republicans that they're going after. I want to play kind of a mashup of some of what we are hearing from Jeffrey.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called a super clip, super cut or a mini cut in your case. It's not a mashup. 7 hours mashup.

[CNN Reporter]

Listen carefully to one example of exactly what Isaac was talking about. His fellow New Yorker Nick LaLota, who is a Republican from who knows if it's a swing district, but they certainly hope so in the Democratic Party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen, I'm going to take my time and ensure that the American people fully.

[Adam Curry]

Understand how damaging this bill will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

To their quality of life. And as a result of the lack of health care that will result directly from. From this one big ugly bill. People in America, by the way, weak. Is that all you could come up with is big ugly bill? That's the only. You couldn't come up with a better acronym of health care that will result directly from this one big ugly bill. People in America will die. Unnecessary. Mr. Speaker, in New York, Speaker, 1st congressional district represented by our colleague Congressman Nick Loda, people will die. Approximately 50,000 will die.

[Adam Curry]

Oh God.

[John C. Dvorak]

New Yorkers will lose their health care. It's a crime scene. It's a crime scene. Going after the health and the safety and the well being of the American people. And Mr. Speaker, we want no part of it. No want no part of the crime scene. So the whole idea is you're going to die and this. And this works. By the way. You know, they, I thought it was more fun personally when I think when Mitt Romney was running when it was or when it was the midterm and like they're going to kill granny and they had, you know, the commercials of Republicans pushing an old granny in a wheelchair off the cliff.

[Adam Curry]

That was great.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was creative. This is just. And but of course, as even CNN will point out, this is all about the clips.

[CNN Reporter]

So I totally take your point about him wanting this to be a vote in the light of day and not early in the morning and about these stories to be playing out. But we all know how people consume information. It's about clips. So now they are building a set of clips with all of these examples which I am sure we will see in various places to try to make these mashup.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was, that was the mashup.

[Adam Curry]

With a mashup she placed two lone clips or even one that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three. Three. It was three. It was no good. It was not a mashup.

[Adam Curry]

It was nothing. It was crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was from earlier because they had to have the intern do it because no one wants to work early. So they're hoping like get some stuff done around noon, will you so we can get it done then lives a.

[CNN Reporter]

Little bit more difficult. Right. I think what happens after the bill passes is the president and his allies have to sell the bill and Democrats have to continue what they've been doing. They have actually done a relatively good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, it's not about the bill, it's.

[CNN Reporter]

About the midterms, despite their many challenges right now. But Democrats have actually done a relatively good job of driving the message, which is a fairly easy message to drive, that this is a tax cut for the rich that will take benefits away from the poor. They are selling that. It is showing up in polling. The president and his team have to figure out how to say, no, that's not, not it. This is a working class tax cut. And the thing about our information environment is it's going to take repetition. It's going to take repetition for the Democrats. It's going to take repetition from President Trump and Republicans. President Trump does have the advantage of being sort of a broken record. He's very good at repetition. Was talking to a Republican consultant today who said, yeah, you're going to hear him talking about this a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so it's so obvious what they want to do here because these, these things don't even go into effect until, until after the midterms. So they're going, you're going to be, this is going to be thrown at us day in, day out. They're taking away your nutritional benefits, they're taking away your Medicaid. You're going to die. Your health care, your health care. I, I mean, we can discuss, we can talk, we can let the other side talk on npr. The New York Republican I also did just go through the bill and not just the health care parts, but there's a lot of other interesting stuff in there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sure there's more interesting stuff in there that they're ever going to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. I mean, if you just want to understand the Medicaid provisions and man, there was so much, so many psyops going on. The Democrats introduced some kind of crazy amendment that's, you know, that, that would keep illegals on the, on Medicaid. And it was like it was word, it was worded in a way that when the amendment got voted down, it looked like the Republicans wanted to have illegal immigrants on Medicaid. And there were some, like the former Newsweek lady, what's her name? Bachevichevachi. Forget her name. She was like, I can't believe it. I can't believe the Republicans want to have illegal immigrants and healthcare. I'm just going on and on and on and they fel for it.

[Adam Curry]

Roseanne Rosanna they fell for it. Well, before you get. Do your analysis, I have the clips from npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, the one with the Republican from New York.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, all right.

[Adam Curry]

No, these are. No, I, I have. There's. I have four clips from npr. One is the update, but then it's followed by three clips where they brought in experts to slam the bill, slam.

[John C. Dvorak]

It, rail against it.

[Adam Curry]

And there was no. Again, on npr, there was no balance. There was nobody on the other side saying, well, there's this. The good side is this, this, and this. No, no, no. It was just slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, which is, you know, and by the way, in between all that, they keep playing this. They keep playing this one NPR missive about, oh, my God, they're taking our money away. They say that we're biased.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, let's play this right off the bat to start. To start this thing on this public media funding. Lament this. They play this every hour on npr.

[CNN Reporter]

The House of Representatives has approved a White House request to claw back two years of previously approved funding for public media. The rescissions package now moves on to the Senate. This move poses a serious threat to local stations and public media as we know it. Please take a stand for public media [e-mail] thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, do you have that xylophone still? Plum. Plum. Plum plume. Plume. Do you, don't you have a xylophone somewhere nearby?

[Adam Curry]

I never had a xylophone.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought. Yeah, or someone, something.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, I know what you mean. Yeah, that little electronic device. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very irritated.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, very irritated.

[John C. Dvorak]

The batteries are dead. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The batteries are dead. You know, it's just the way it goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So that, that. So they're playing this, all this supposedly 1%, and they're whining about this 1%. Okay, what's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that website address at the end? Hold on.

[CNN Reporter]

ACPR.org ACPR.

[Adam Curry]

ACPR.goACPR.org oh, go.

[John C. Dvorak]

ACPR. That's not a. That's. It was confused. Oh, here it is. Public radio is fighting to survive. We need a. Oh, it just changed. American Coalition for Public Radio. Oh, oh. Go ace. Take action. I'm taking action. Public media is in jeopardy. Is in jeopardy. Who are these. Who are these guys?

[Adam Curry]

How's it in jeopardy?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's in jeopardy.

[Adam Curry]

1%. If this, if they. They told us it was 1%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So how's that make it in jeopardy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm taking action. I don't care what you say. I'm taking action. Dear lawmaker, public Radio brings music, the arts, and local culture into our homes. We don't need any of that. We got the Internet. Got TikTok. Cutting funding would erase programs that enrich your communities and support creative voices. TikTok. People with blue hair, please protect the federal funding that makes this possible. Oppose recession. Recision. Recision.

[Adam Curry]

What a odd word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rescission. Why would that. Rescission. Rescission. The act of rescinding the cancellation of a contract.

[Adam Curry]

Rescission.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not great marketing. Oppose recession today and save local. Local public radio. See there. Oh. You can submit a video message.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. This is a break the glass moment says that. Yeah. Public radio faces the biggest threat in its history. 1%.

[Adam Curry]

1%. They said so themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Share a personalized message voicing your support now. Oh, just so you know, the proposal to eliminate federal funding, including a new plan to rescind previously approved funding, threaten to dismantle the very infrastructure that keeps 99% of Americans informed, safe and connected. I dispute that. I would say the Internet keeps 99% of Americans misinformed. Safe and connected.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, okay, so. Well, that was fun. I'm glad you caught that so we.

[Adam Curry]

Can skip the update and go to the slams.

[John C. Dvorak]

Slam.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this will be BBB update. Slam.

[CNN Reporter]

One policy bill passed the Senate. It's now being considered in the House. It would cut trillions of dollars in taxes, mostly for the well off. To help offset that, it would also make the biggest cuts to the social safety net in decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that a class? The well off is that if you're well.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't heard that term probably for 20 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

The well off. That is kind of interesting. The well off. The well, you know, well to do. Yes. The rich. The well off. You're well off. Hey, boy. You're well off. You mean like Brooke Gladstone who makes $370,000 a year just for. For hosting this American life once a week show? No, no, it's a. That's not Brooke Gladstone. That's. Is that Brooke Gladstone?

[Adam Curry]

No. Brooke Gladstone does. On the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. Who does this American Life. She makes $370,000 a year just for hosting that show.

[Adam Curry]

That's good money.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great money.

[CNN Reporter]

Policy bill.

[Adam Curry]

That's what you want that 1% for.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what you are when you have that kind of money? Well off is what you're well off. You're well off. Yes.

[CNN Reporter]

Policy bill passed the Senate. It's now being considered in the House. It would cut trillions of dollars in taxes, mostly for the well off. To help offset that, it would also make the biggest cuts to the social safety net stop.

[Adam Curry]

So if everybody's paying taxes and taxes are cut BY, let's say, 2%, it's going to benefit the richest people the most because they're paying the most taxes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, why, why are you trying to refute this? This is not even, this is beneath.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry. I'm not sorry for interrupting my own clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beneath you.

[CNN Reporter]

It's to things like food aid. NPR's Jennifer Ludden is here to walk us through the latest h. Hi, Jennifer. NPR has reported a lot on changes to Medicaid, which provides health care for some 70 million low income elderly and disabled Americans.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's you, John.

[CNN Reporter]

And scaling it back has been controversial even among congressional Republicans. Can you just briefly explain to us what's included in the Senate bill, please? Right. And with the reminder, as you said, lawmakers in both chambers still have to agree on one version, but the Senate version would cut Medicaid spending even more than the House had by about a trillion dollars. Now, it's main through a new requirement that people would have to work at least 80 hours a month unless they're exempt. And overall the stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's a lie. Must work, volunteer or attend school for at least 80 hours a month. That's not just must work. So that's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that is omission.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lying by omission, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, catch. Yes. The House version, which I have no idea what's going on here, exempts parents of dependent children, seniors, people with disabilities, all you. So you're exempt.

[CNN Reporter]

That people would have to work at least 80 hours a month unless they're exempt. And overall, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says this could package could cause nearly 12 million people to lose health insurance over the next decade.

[John C. Dvorak]

So in my clips, we'll get to.

[CNN Reporter]

The cbo, which is of course, a lot of people. I want to turn to some of the safety net cuts that haven't gotten as much attention, like food benefits. Tell us what could happen there. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[CNN Reporter]

So more than 40 million people get food stamps, as they're known, or SNAP. It's the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. It would lose 20% of its funding and that's the largest cut in its history. Now, this is also partly from a change to its existing work requirement. The Senate bill bumps up the age people have to work by a decade until age 65. And parents who used to be exempt would now have to work if their kids were 14 or older. Now, as with Medicaid, one concern is that people would run into red tape trying to prove they're working. The CBO estimates this change could push more than 2 million people off food aid.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's incredible what they're doing here. When I was 14, I was a latchkey kid. My mom worked, my dad worked.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, boo. Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you have 14 year old kids, let them roam the streets like ragamuffins. Like ruffians.

[Adam Curry]

Ragamuffin is another good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let him roam the streets.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so you're getting the idea that they're, they're. This is not a balanced presentation. I think, I think you're correct. This is why they're getting their funding pulled because the taxpayer should not be paying for biased presentations like this. Now, to be about this constant, to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be fair, the clips that I have from NPR do represent the other, the other side. Even though the host is, is hemming and hawking throughout it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a difference between have finding a. What you found.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And, and somebody just making a straight up presentation with no pushback.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, yes, it's biased. It's unlike not giving us any perspective whatsoever.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's fair and balanced.

[Adam Curry]

Not much better.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Fox, I don't think Fox News takes government money and maybe they do.

[Adam Curry]

Fox News. Well, not that I know of either. Yes, you might be right. Okay. Onward.

[CNN Reporter]

Okay, now a couple more things. Fun Food aid. The spend package makes it harder for states to waive these work work requirements. And conservatives have long argued that it's just too easy. You've got entire states where they're waived. The Senate bill says you could only get a waiver if you live in a place with an unemployment rate above 10%. So quite high. And finally, for the first time, the federal government would not pay for all food aid. Most states would have to chip in, which sounds like a really big. How did that work? Yeah, it's tied to how much states have over or underpaid for snap. Researchers say these error rates are mostly unintentional. But it would mean that most states would now have to pick up between 5 and 15% of food aid costs.

[Adam Curry]

Holy moly.

[CNN Reporter]

Left leaning center on Budget and Policy Priorities says this undermines the whole guarantee that people in need should get food aid no matter where they live. She says if states faced a budget crunch, they might shrink their SNAP program or even opt out altogether. So this is really a proposal that fundamentally changes the structure of snap, jeopardizes food assistance for millions of low income families.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the same as you won't have access to vaccines. It's exactly the same thing you are. And saying healthcare is like healthcare insurance. It's payment for healthcare. You can get health care. You can go in any emergency room. You will not be turned away. Unfortunately, this is a very contentious but.

[Adam Curry]

You mean unfortunately you want people dropping dead in the streets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if, you know, I speak to firefighters all the time and they are obligated on a 911 call to go and help these people regard it's by law regardless of what it is. And it's like, well, I'm, you know, I, I don't, I need an aspirin. And you know, it's literally, could you go to the, could you grab my cigarettes from the table there? I'm too obese to get up. And if, if it is anything beyond what they have in their kit, I don't give them an aspirin. They have to take them to the emergency room. That is enshrined in state law everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

That's a problem being a problem. That is one of many problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Firefighters know this and while doing their job, they get shot at and killed. So this is, this is dandy and.

[CNN Reporter]

Could end SNAP as a nationwide program. Jennifer, I want to ask you about something that got quite a bit of attention for reducing poverty temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic, which is the federal child tax credit. Any big changes there? Yes, though not as big as some were calling for during the 2024 election, including now Vice President J.D. vance. The Senate bill does boost the tax credit from $2,000 per child to 2,200 and that would rise with inflation. But unlike during the pandemic, lawmakers did not expand this to include the lowest income families and currently they don't qualify for that full credit because they just don't earn enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, SNAP had a huge industry lobby against proposed changes. I have not seen. Well, I've not. If I saw it, it didn't compromise. I didn't, it didn't stick with me. The carbonated drinks, fizzy drinks, the Coca Cola's of the world put together a huge lobby against taking soft drinks off of snap, which is kind of a logical thing that, no, you shouldn't be able to buy this with your supplemental nutrition payments.

[Adam Curry]

You shouldn't be buying cola.

[John C. Dvorak]

And in fact, I don't think we talked about it much, if at all. But they had a huge influencer campaign which included a lot of conservative podcasters and influencers who all took money to say, oh no, no, you shouldn't do this. Really, we need to have this on snap. I'm paraphrasing. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was a huge thing. And then a couple got outed and then all these other conservative right leaning influencers and podcasters went, yeah, I'm really sorry I took that money. I shouldn't have done that then. It was thousands of dollars in some cases. Oh, yeah, this is, this is, this is the dirty side of politics.

[Adam Curry]

That's a scandal what you just said. Yeah, well, podcasts are selling out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Gambling. All right, Slam three.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[CNN Reporter]

Sophie Collier is with the center on Poverty and Social Policy at Columbia University. And she says for her this really reflects the overall tilt of this tax and spending package in favor of the wealthy. Even this small provision that is kind of meant to help families is not reaching the children and families where it could do the most good, where that $200 actually could be more meaningful. Jennifer, I'll let you have the last word here. Anything else we should note? Yes, another key change to the child tax credit. At least one parent now would need a Social Security number. And Collier says by one estimate that could disqualify 2.6 million children who are US citizens or lawful permanent residents. And I should just add, there are provisions in the package that would also cut federal health care and food benefits for some immigrants with legal status.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so that's really what it comes down to. Most of this is blue states. I'll just run through it quickly. So yes, adults age 19 to 64 enrolled in Medicaid through the Affordable Care act expansion, which was the expansion to states, you have to work, volunteer or attend school for at least 80 hours if you're eligible. And exemptions are pregnant women, caregivers of children under 14, et cetera. Here's a big one. The states will have to verify compliance every 30 days. Well, we can't have that. Then we have the CBO estimate savings, which you can take or leave increased eligibility redetermination. So that's the verifying ACA expansion. Enrollees. See, the state's got all this extra money to expand Medicare and they gave it Medicaid and they gave it mostly to illegal immigrants. And that's what this is cutting out. And so now the states will have to impose a co payment of $35. Okay, so I'm not saying, I'm not downplaying $35 as being a lot or not, but it's. It's hardly. You're dead. And then the bill limits states ability to impose taxes on health care providers. And I'm not quite sure whose side that comes from or what that's about. I'm not sure. That's probably just a screw states. No doubt. Then there's new requirements to include monthly verification to ensure providers aren't excluded from other state Medicaid programs because there's a lot of double dipping going on. And then there's the specific restrictions, gender affirming care, Planned Parenthood, et cetera. So that's really what is in there about Medicaid. And if you listen. Well, to be fair and to be fair and balanced, let's get the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez version of this big beautiful bill.

[CNN Reporter]

President Trump, you're either being lied to or you are lying to the American people. Because this bill represents, in the text of this bill, the largest and greatest law loss of health care in American history. 17 million Americans will lose their health care.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great. I mean, it's always been 11. I've heard 12, but AOC has 17 now.

[Adam Curry]

It started actually around five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody documented jacking up. Every time somebody next guy talks. They topped the last one.

[CNN Reporter]

This is great histories.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she was, she was, she was swinging her hips and she was, she was getting mad.

[CNN Reporter]

17 million Americans will lo their health care on this bill. Not undocumented people. Not, quote, unquote, the disgusting term illegal, but 17 million disgusting term illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

What since. Why is that disgusting?

[Adam Curry]

Why is that disgusting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because no person can be illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's right. No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

No human.

[Adam Curry]

No human is illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

No human can be illegal.

[CNN Reporter]

Quote the disgusting term illegal. But 17 million Americans will have their health care Americans from this bill on this point of tax on tips. As one of the only people in this body who has lived off of tips, I want to tell you a little bit about the scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty telling if that's true. If she is the only person in this body who lived on tips.

[Adam Curry]

Let's, let's face reality. That's probably not true. But. But I'd like to know how the Democrats, when they turned on a dime on this, have suddenly forgotten that Kamala made a big stink about. Yes, no tax on tips. She introduced it to her platform. The Democrats accept it as a platform item, but now they're pushing it back on it. Well, what, so you're telling me they were insincere earlier?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so.

[CNN Reporter]

As one of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, the bill just passed.

[CNN Reporter]

The House, so only people in this body who has lived off of tips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to, but I guess the reason we're doing this is so that people understand, because this doesn't come into until December of 2026. So. And that's for a reason. This is all going to be midterm jockeying for position.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's fodder.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's total fodder.

[CNN Reporter]

As one of the only people in this body who has lived off of tips, I want to tell you a little bit about the scam of that text, a little bit of the fine print there. The cap ON that is $25,000.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. That is the cap on taxing your tips up to $25,000. That she has that number. Correct.

[CNN Reporter]

While you're jacking up taxes on people who make less than $50,000 across the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

That I don't see. I don't see where people making less than $50,000 will be paying more in taxes. I have not seen.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. That's the first I've heard of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've heard of it.

[CNN Reporter]

While taking away their snap, While taking away their Medicaid, while taking away and kicking them off of the ACA and their health care extensions. So if you're at home and you're living off tips, you do the math.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Get your calculator. I got to do the math. Is that not allowed to do your.

[CNN Reporter]

Own math and research worth it to you? Losing all your health care, not able to feed a. Feed your babies, not being able to put a diaper on their bottom.

[John C. Dvorak]

It specifically says if you have babies or one on the way, you're not going to get kicked off of anything. So that's just not true.

[Adam Curry]

Losing life, That's a lie.

[CNN Reporter]

Your health care, not able to feed a. Feed your babies, not being able to put a diaper on their bottom in exchange for what?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[CNN Reporter]

This bill is a deal with the devil. The devil explodes our national debt. Militarizes our entire economy. And it strips away, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, first, let me just back up because I've read most of this. Not all, but I've read most of it. The important parts I think I've got. So let's see.

[CNN Reporter]

Explodes our national debt.

[John C. Dvorak]

It actually it reduce. And I think I can show that over 10 years. And of course, there's a big piece of it where we're gonna. We're gonna grow faster than the debt. Okay, sure. Okay. With President Trump, maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

[CNN Reporter]

It militarizes our entire economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that is correct. It will militize our entire economy. And that is what every economy in the world is Doing right now. Because the green New Deal economy.

[Adam Curry]

So when I go to the Monterey Foods to buy mushrooms, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're militarizing?

[Adam Curry]

I'm militarizing the mushroom grower or what are you talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's a lot of money for military industrial complex.

[Adam Curry]

An entire economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but I. But there's. There's 30 million people minimum in this. In this deal now. So she's not in. She's exaggerating. But there is some truth to it. The whole world is. That's our new industrial base.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, what they did, dude. Gee. And this. This is new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no economy.

[CNN Reporter]

And it strips away health care and basic dignity of the American people. For what?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't strip away to give.

[CNN Reporter]

Elon Musk a tax break.

[Adam Curry]

This Elon Musk hates the bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elon Musk says it's a five trillion dollar spending bill. He's gone all the way. Was two trillion, three trillion. Now Elon Musk is five trillion dollars. Do the math at home, people. My calculator doesn't go to trillion.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. So she's basically not keeping tabs on the political situation as Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, big mistake. This is a big mistake. She should have said Eva. Even Elon Musk is embarrassed. That's what she should have said.

[Adam Curry]

She should have gone with that. Yeah. Or mentioned some other evil person that, you know, gets getting the tax rate. The Trump family or anything. But Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Fox News, the Murdochs, anything.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oops.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. They're our side.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[CNN Reporter]

Basic dignity of the American people. For what? To give Elon Musk a tax break. And billionaires. The greedy taking of our nation. We cannot stand for it and we will not support it. You should be ashamed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ashamed. All right, so I'm gonna play these quick clips here. This is New York Representative Mike Lawlor. I didn't even know New York had a Republican representing them. But they do, apparently. And he goes on NPR and he says, you know, CBO is wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Over the next decade, we're projected to spend $86 trillion as a country, federal government. And we're talking about 1.6 trillion dol. Trillion in savings over the course of the 10 years. That amounts to about 1.8% of overall spending. So, you know, as we start to bend the curve with $2 trillion deficit. I love this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, everybody bending it. Like Beckham. We're not reducing the deficit. We're bending the curve. You see?

[Adam Curry]

Bending the curve. So this is like a Kind of a takeover on flattening the curve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So now you're going to bend the. Bend the curve percent of overall spending. So, you know, as we start to bend the curve with $2 trillion deficits, you know, everybody, Republicans and Democrats, need to get serious about tackling our debt.

[CNN Reporter]

Let me just. Trillion in debt. Congressional Budget Office found that the spending bill would add roughly $3 trillion to the deficit over the next decade. So to your mind, are you concerned about growing the nation state? It sounds like you are. What should be done?

[Adam Curry]

So CBO has consistently been wrong in its pronouncements, including seven years ago when they undercut revenue by a trillion dollars on the Tax Cuts and Jobs act, which we now know has produced the largest revenue that the federal government has ever seen. The question is how do we start to right size our spending where we're running $2 trillion deficits. And what you're seeing is over 10 years, a reduction in spending by $1.6 trillion, you're going to see economic growth 2, 3, 4%, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

2, 3, 4% is, there's a hundred percent difference in those numbers. So two to four is a big difference for the life of the bill.

[Adam Curry]

Which is going to be critical. Grow our economy and start to move things in the right direction, reducing our deficits and reining in our debt. This is, this is a big challenge and it's something that's going to require both parties just to really focus on coming decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chomping at the bit here. Chomp. Okay, but what about all the people who are going to die?

[CNN Reporter]

I want to just jump in here because earlier you mentioned some of the concerns that you've been discussing, including those around health care and Medicaid.

[Adam Curry]

And she talked. Hold on. Back it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's very animated.

[Adam Curry]

She is a fast talker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is Juana Summers. Juana Summers, bring back. You know, Scott Simon's being inducted into the Radio hall of Fame. Did you know that?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

First diction. I don't know. I don't know. Let's go back. Where were we?

[CNN Reporter]

I want to just jump in here because earlier you mentioned some of the concerns that you've been discussing, including those around health care and Medicaid and there are estimates according to CBO that maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re all doing coke at NPR these days. I don't know this possible, possible 12.

[CNN Reporter]

Million people will lose health care coverage, including Medicaid coverage, if this bill becomes law. Congressman Lawler, given that roughly a quarter of the people in your district in New York some 200,000 people are on Medicaid. That's according to KFF, going to die. Are you concerned about what the cuts enshrined in this legislation would mean to the people who live in your district?

[Adam Curry]

Please, again, let's actually focus what's in the bill and not what is the Democrat talking point. The fact is that you have eligibility verification making sure that people, people who are not supposed to be collecting Medicaid benefits are no longer receiving those benefits that they're not entitled to. Second is citizenship verification to make sure that illegal immigrants are not collecting Medicaid benefits. Right now you have 1.4 million illegal immigrants collecting Medicaid benefits. That is wrong, fundamentally. And third is work requirements. You have nearly 4 million people who are able bodied adults, adults without dependent children who are refusing to work. They should be trying to get a job, to get employment, to go to school or to volunteer upwards of 80 hours a month. That's about 20 hours a work week to help get into the workforce, participate in the workforce and ultimately help themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they may be able to get.

[Adam Curry]

Get a employer based healthcare plan. Long term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good luck.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be able to purchase on the open market. But the objective here is to sustain this program for the long term for those who need it and those who are eligible for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's just all like last one.

[Adam Curry]

And, and you have seen, and this is important, even with these changes, Medicaid spending is going to go up 24% over the next decade. 24%. So when we're talking about how to strengthen the system, this is not about gutting the system. This is about protecting it for those who need it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's not about that. It's all about the midterms. Would you like to hear a few other things that are in this big beautiful bill that just passed? Just a quick little rundown as we have done so often on the no Agenda show, which your NPR local station will not do. But I'm saying yes, yes. Ships. Big beautiful ships.

[Adam Curry]

Ships.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right off the top, baby. $250 million for ships.

[Adam Curry]

That's nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ships. Well, this is going to be tiny ships, but they'll be beautiful ships.

[Adam Curry]

They gotta be pretty tiny because that did some of those new class ships.

[John C. Dvorak]

But wait, there's 450 million for additive manufacturing, for wire production and machining capacity, for shipbuilding industrial base. 492 million for next generation shipbuilding techniques. 85 techniques. I got a technique for you.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. 500 scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

500 million for the adoption of advanced manufacturing techniques in the shipbuilding industry is a lot of money for it. So basically. Oh, there's another. Oh, this is good. 4.6 billion for second Virginia class submarines in 2026, one year slot. 5.4 billion for additional guided missile destroyer ships. Then we have a billion dollars for the border for deployment of military personnel, and we have 1.142 and a half billion for the Coast Guard side.

[Adam Curry]

Can I ask a question?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Trump shut the border down. There's nobody coming over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're still going to spend $46.5 billion for the wall, but don't worry, Mexico's paying for that one, so we can just put that aside.

[Adam Curry]

So wait, nobody's coming over as we speak?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm just.

[Adam Curry]

So why are we spending any more money than we, than we're currently spending? Because it seems to be working just fine the way it is with the expenditures that are currently being used to stop the people from coming over, because they're not coming over at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it sounds like a jobs program because it's construction. Construction installation, access roads, barrier system, et cetera. Here's my favorite. Gee, what are the chances that you'd have. Have.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, since my point that I just made, why don't the Democrats make that point?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the only thing they have is you're going to die.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that's the reason. Because to make that point, they have to admit that Biden could have done the same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's a good. There is your good points. Guess what's in here. What did we hear for the past two months? Oh, oh, no. Newark Airport. Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Fiber optics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I see. $4.7 billion for telecommunications infrastructure. 3 billion. 3 billion. I'm sorry, yes. 3 billion for radar systems, 500 million for Runway safety technologies, whatever that is. It's a guy with an orange vest.

[Adam Curry]

No, a guy with a horn telling the birds to get off the Runway.

[John C. Dvorak]

1.9 billion for necessary actions to construct a new air route traffic control center. Woo. So now you see how it works. That is the sausage being made. Create a big fuss about something that all of our air traffic controllers say. It's been that way forever. We work around it nine times a day, but okay, I'm sure everybody's happy. I'm not against it, obviously, but the PSYOP was, was mean gas and oil leases. So we got a lot of, like the Gulf of America, Gulf of America leases for oil, coal mining, access to coal reserves in adjacent state or private land without Authorization could not be mined economically. Federal coal reserves located in federal. Subject to a mining plan previously approved timber on public domain forest reserves will be sold off. There's an amount here. 250 million board feet. Ooh, renewable energy. This is fun. 100% fees for solar energy generation facility and 10% for wind generation. So if you are selling your land or leasing your land for solar panels, you will have a fee of 100% of something. We're going to up the petroleum reserve. The American Science Cloud. This is my favorite transformational artificial intelligence models. Yeah baby, we are. The cloud means a system of United States government academic and private sector programs and infrastructure utilizing cloud computing technologies to facilitate and support scientific research. Debt? I thought we were cutting off all research. Well, no. Turns out the American Science cloud will be a thing then. We do have a lot of things for.

[Adam Curry]

That sounds like a boondoggle, but that's for.

[John C. Dvorak]

For all the tech bros. That's what they got. Everyone gets something in this.

[Adam Curry]

Not us. What about the podcasting provisions?

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't seen it. Committee on environment and public work. So recision of funding for clean heavy duty vehicles. Goodbye. Repeal of greenhouse gas reduction fund. Goodbye. Rescission of funding for diesel emissions reductions. Goodbye. Rescission of funding to address air pollution. Rescission of funding to address air pollution at schools. Recession of what?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, put air pollution at schools.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suck it up, kids. There's air pollution everywhere. You might die. Recession of funding for the low emissions electricity program. Oops. Rescission of funding for section 211 of the Clean air. It just goes on and on. So this is all taking away the green New deal. Then we have the child tax credit which will be tied to a Social Security number. This is. So now for every kid you get a.

[Adam Curry]

How does a tax credit not get tied to a Social Security number? I'm going to ask you right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

When we have a Democrat president in Congress, then it's just. It's a free for all. I guess. So that goes.

[Adam Curry]

Tax credit is a credit on your income taxes, am I not mistaken?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you know.

[Adam Curry]

And don't you have to have a Social Security to even file?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not true. As a illegal immigrant, you can get a. You get a tax ID number which is not a Social Security number.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, okay, it's. Good point, good point. You got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is tied specifically to SSN and it's going to be $2,200 per child. Let me see. Oh, here you go, John. Good news. Extension and enhancement of increased Estate and gift tax exemption amounts. This is what the billionaires get. So you can now leave. You were allowed to leave $5 million to your heirs, but you of course need the higher amount of 15 million. So that's good. That really affects me. Here, kid, is a watch. Good luck with it. I got a watch.

[Adam Curry]

At least you're under the number.

[John C. Dvorak]

No tax on tips for any taxable year shall not exceed 25,000. Low ceiling for no tax on overtime. That will be. Shall not exceed twelve and a half thousand. Then we have the Trump accounts.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. There's another thing I complain about. They were saying that there's going to be no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, but that's just not true, David.

[Adam Curry]

Dave screwed the oldsters on the Social Security thing. What happened to that? What happened to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I actually get to that. Down a little bit further. It's not too much further. What I have the Trump accounts that I think is the baby bonus and I don't even see an amount here. Oh, it's baby bonus. Oh, I like this one. Spaceports and airports. Spaceports will be treated like airports under exempt facility bond rules. I'm not sure what that means.

[Adam Curry]

Space ports. Well, these guys are getting a pretty aggressive way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that, that, that's. I think that that is actually a Bezos and, and Musk benefit. I think. But I'm not sure.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, when they put their spaceports up will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So here, here's one that, that got in there that for some reason no one's talking about. Excise tax based on investment income of private colleges and universities. Hey, now. Tax imposed. Hereby impose the tax on each applicable educational institution, Harvard, Columbia, et cetera, for the taxable year, a tax equal to the applicable percent, the net investment income of such institution. 1.4% in the case of an institution with a student adjusted endowment of at least half a million not in excess of 750,000. 4% in the case of an institution with a student adjusted endowment in excess of 750 not to exceed 2 million. And 8% in case of the institution with a student adjusted endowment in excess of 2 million.

[Adam Curry]

So that's the big boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounds like all the big boys all of a sudden went from no tax to 8%. I can't imagine why they're mad at Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that. Well, again, I think your original point, which is why hasn't anyone said anything about this? Because they can bitch and moan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they're in the fund.

[Adam Curry]

There's. I think it has to do with whining about their situation. It sounds like they're, you know, it's like NPR whining about losing their 1%. It draws attention to the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, that's a good point. Vetting of sponsors. This is good. So if we're going. The Office of Refugee Resettlement. So if you're gonna have.

[Adam Curry]

This is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're gonna have kids. A very long. I'm not gonna read all. They will have to vet the sponsors for unaccompanied alien children. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Ending. That is what it's doing. We're ending that nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

They're ending the vetting.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're. No, we're ending the. Not people weren't vetted.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, they were just giving them to pimps.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So we're ending that nonsense now. These people will be the coyotes. Then we have asylum fees. Here we go. In addition to any other fee authorized by law. If you want to request and file for asylum, you will pay $100.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, nickel and diming him to death.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you want to be paroled into the US that will cost you $1,000. So it's setting a bar.

[Adam Curry]

And you can get citizenship for 5 million if you buy one of those gold cards. I wonder if that's in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't seen it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then there's extension of radioactive leukemia related to atmospheric atom bomb tests. So we're going to pay people some. Some. Some money for that, as well as.

[Adam Curry]

People who were kind of screwy, were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Harmed from uranium mining. And those are the things that. That we just have off the bat with some help from one of our producers, I will add. He categorized it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I appreciate that, but it seems to me that. That the leukemia from atmospheric testing would have been already resolved by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, apparently not.

[Adam Curry]

No offense, but I think you'd be dead. Well, because that was in the 50s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, apparently not. So anyway, so there's a lot of things in here. And you're right, none of this was discussed. It's all about, you're going to die. And we have family members who believe this. This. Who believe that Trump himself is taking away their Medicaid. And one of these family members absolutely cannot work, cannot volunteer, is not mobile, you know, so it's like, no, you'll be okay. You'll be okay.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we're going to be. This is going to be thrown. We're going to be thrown to death with this stuff. The Republican. They should bring back the granny over the cliff bit. I thought that was fun.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, they're not creative anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're not. So I think that's it. I think we're done with that. With that topic. So it passed. Now everyone's going to be out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, just pass now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I was wondering, because I know they had a bunch of guys in the fence and Trump, I guess, had to promise a bunch of executive orders to very specific. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure Congress people, that he would do this and that for them if they just get this out of the way. And so they got it out of the way. Okay, good. It's about time. Now, you know, now they can talk about something else. They've been incessantly discussing this on public radio, for one thing, and it makes it very difficult to find clips on other interesting things like the fact, and I don't have a clip, that Jaguar lost 95% of its sales after it ran those stupid ads with the transgender androgynous people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's funny because that. That meme came back around and I thought they. Everyone already saw the ad. It like, was. Did they know? Did they report numbers? Is that why they're also.

[Adam Curry]

They reported numbers. They only sold 26 cars in Europe in April.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also a crap car. It's a Ford.

[Adam Curry]

And the. In the. And the. In the advertising agency saying I don't get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes no sense. It was a great ad. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll let you go for a bit. I have other stuff to dive into.

[Adam Curry]

You want me to go? Well, let's go for a bit with my thesis about memes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

About the New Yorker.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'll summarize your thesis from the newsletter. If you're not subscribed to the newsletter, you are missing out on some good quality content and memes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, a lot of memes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the thesis that you drew up on the previous no Agenda episode was that this is the populist, the Democrat version of a populist candidate saying all the things that the Democrats want to hear. And of course, the more outrageous the things are, this is the Trump model. The more outrageous those things are, the more, I mean, no one even could pronounce, let alone spell his name until all the outrageousness and the coverage on all sides of the political news spectrum.

[Adam Curry]

Room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mandami. Mandani. Mandani.

[Adam Curry]

Mom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mom. Danny. Mom. Dani.

[Adam Curry]

So, yes, the thesis is that this is Trump's playbook from 2015.

[John C. Dvorak]

2016, which by the way, indirectly is Putin's playbook and Hitler's playbook.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, I'm just saying there's a lot of playbooks. A lot of playbooks, but I'm talking about the publicity playbook, where you get a lot of free publicity for being outrageous and saying crazy things and getting the other side worked up. And this is the problem that we've had. We had these guys getting all worked up. And I want to play the thing that triggered this week's workup, which was the last meet the presses, where he she asked him three times and I have all three clips to rebuke the comment about worldwide intifada. And he beats around the. And he got nothing. Fox has played these clips, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Over and like idiots. Like idiots.

[Adam Curry]

Like the idiots they are at Fox. And here we go. I'm going to play these this is Mom Downey Infantadic clips with our buddy Kristen Welker. Manhands Welker. And she's going to try to get him to say things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on. Do I have the. Yes, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

So second, this is Intifada one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got it.

[CNN Reporter]

You were recently asked about the term globalize the intifada. If it makes you uncomfortable in that moment, you did not condemn the phrase. Now, just so folks understand, it's a phrase that many people hear as a call to violence against Jews. There's been a lot of attention on this issue. So I want to give you an opportunity to respond here and now. Do you condemn that phrase globalize the intifada? That's not language that I use. The language that I use and the language that I will continue to use to lead this city is that which speaks clearly to my intent, which is an intent grounded in a belief in universal human rights. And ultimately, that's what is the foundation of so much of my politics, the belief that freedom and justice and safety are things that to have meaning have to be applied to all people. And that includes Israelis and Palestinians as like, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's not that bad of an answer, sir.

[Adam Curry]

But he didn't condemn it. So she's now on it and thinking, well, wait a minute, he didn't answer my question. So I'm going to be a hotshot journalist and ask him again.

[CNN Reporter]

Yeah, but do you actually condemn it? I think that's the question. And the outstanding issue that a number of people, both of the Jewish faith and beyond have do you condemn that phase? Globalize the intifada, which a lot of people hear is a call to Violence against Jews.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard from many Jews, Jewish New.

[CNN Reporter]

Yorkers who have shared their concerns with me, especially in light of the horrific attacks that we saw in Washington, D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado, about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he say colder? Bolerado. That's kind of cool.

[Adam Curry]

He wanted to say Colderado in Washington.

[CNN Reporter]

D.C. and in Boulder, Colorado, about this moment of anti Semitism in our country and in our city. And I've heard those fears and I've heard. Had those conversations. And ultimately they are part and parcel of why in my campaign, I've put forward a commitment to increase funding for anti hate crime programming by 800%. I don't believe that the role of the mayor is to police speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I can see he's tricky. He's. He's a.

[Adam Curry]

He's good. He's good. I think he's really good. Yeah. And here he goes. Okay, now, so she's the journalist who asked the same question twice. He got no answer from me. He's beaten.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do it again. Let's do it again.

[Adam Curry]

Try number three.

[CNN Reporter]

Quickly. For the people who care about the language and who feel really concerned by that phrase, why not just condemn it? My concern is to start to walk down the line of language and making clear what language I believe is permissible or impermissible takes me into a place similar to that of the president, who is looking to do those very kinds of things. Putting people in jail for writing an op ed, putting them in jail for protesting. Ultimately, it's not language that I use. It's language I understand there are concerns about. And what I will do is showcase my vision for the city through my words and my actions.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Surely the next question was, what journalist was put in jail for writing an op ed?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know, do you know by any chance?

[Adam Curry]

No, there's none. No, none have had. None have. By the way, none have been put in jail. No, they. They did lose their case. CBS bailed out and gave Trump 16 million. Could go up to 30.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have that clip if you want to hear it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let's play that before I get finished this off.

[CNN Reporter]

CBS parent company Paramount Global will shell out $16 million to President Trump to settle a lawsuit waged over a 60 Minutes interview with then Vice President Kamala Harris that aired weeks before the presidential election. Trump claims it gave Harris an unfair advantage.

[Adam Curry]

Kamala was unable to answer a question properly, and they took the question that they asked and they inserted an answer.

[CNN Reporter]

In his lawsuit, Trump accused the network of misleading voters with quote Deceitful editing of Harris's answer to a question on whether the US has any sway over Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. But it seems that as reflected by the role interview posted by 60 Minutes will build the program. Face the Nation used a longer portion at the beginning of Harris's response, while 60 Minutes used a shorter portion. We are not going to stop. That came at the end of that same response to accommodate time restraints. Said Trump's claims were false and the interview was not doctored. Paramount settlement does not include an apology or any regret in the settlement. Money will go toward Trump's future presidential library, not the president himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Not sorry. You know, the thing I just realized, I don't even remember what the question was about. It was something about whether Israel controls U.S. policy. Was that the question?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember either. The whole thing is I don't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

To go back and listen to that.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't. Since we just played that, I might as well play my. Cbs. The CBS caves to Trump. This is the NPR version of what you just played.

[CNN Reporter]

Press rights groups are denouncing the parent company of CBS, agreeing to pay President Trump's future library $16 million. NPR's David Folkenflick reports. Trump had sued CBS over the way 60 Minutes edited an interview with then Vice President Kamala Harris.

[Adam Curry]

Trump's lawyers said the segment constituted electoral interference. Outside legal observers say his case had no merit, that the First Amendment covers such editorial choices.

[John C. Dvorak]

His legal team says Trump has held the fake news media account for their wrongdoing and deceit. Paramount needs approval from Trump's regulators to sell the company in an $8 billion deal. The lawsuit is hardly a one and done for the president.

[Adam Curry]

The agreement appears modeled on a past settlement from the Walt Disney Company, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Corporate parent of ABC News, over anchor George Stephanopoulos. Imprecise statements about legal findings against Trump. Trump is still suing the Des Moines Register over a poll last year, and he recently threatened the New York Times and CNN with prosecution for their report. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm a little. I'm torn. He'll come for the podcasters next, people.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the ones who are getting paid off by the Coca Cola.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they should.

[Adam Curry]

So we go back to. So he, he does these. He refuses to answer that question, which I believe he will eventually say. No, I, I always meant that because he's going to pull a Trump in every way he can. And I think he's going to win the election the way they've got it set up with the ranked voting Ranked voting, which is just a disaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just ask you one question? Going back to cbs? I mean, the First Amendment clearly. I mean, I know this was a civil suit, but the First Amendment clearly states that you cannot create any law against the press, whatever. If they want to write your. I mean, there's slander, there's things that have their different provisions, but there was. I mean, the only reason for this is they want the Paramount merger to go through. Correct.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's one of the reasons they settled. But I think they also had a weak case. This wasn't about free speech. This was about election law violation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. Yeah. The equal, the equal time, equal something rule.

[Adam Curry]

No, not equal time. It's just a fair. And the fairness. Meddling. You can't meddle in an election in some unfair way. That is, that is right. The way cbs, what CBS did was illegal, the way I see it. But I could be wrong. I'm not a lawyer. But let's get back to Mom Donnie. So he's okay. So he makes these comments and he gets all. Gets everybody bent out of shape. So I'm trying to find. And I'm watching Outnumbered and this, These three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness. Do you have too much time? What happened to sumo wrestling? Wrestling?

[Adam Curry]

It's only every other month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And so there's a new tournament coming up this month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, luckily. So can't have you watching Outnumbered.

[Adam Curry]

There's good stuff on Outnumbered because it's very. Well, it's highly structured. And they had Marie Harf on your buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Marie Harf.

[Adam Curry]

So Marie Harf is on. She's. She always plays the devil's advocate.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's a Democrat. She's a Democrat of the bunch.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a Democrat spokeshole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she was. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so she comes on as a, as the foil. They always try to bring somebody on with a, A perspective. Fox does this better. You know, CNN does it with the one guy with whatever his name is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Brooks and Capehart.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Right. PBS doesn't do it at all, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but.

[Adam Curry]

So they had Marie Harfan. And, and so I finally found an example of. Not now. I'm just switching my, my thought process of dimensionality to flip it from Trump to Mom Donnie. And the way people were reacting to Trump when he first showed up with the Trump derangement syndrome. We have Mom Donnie derangement syndrome. And you have the Trump supporters in the early days that were defending him against all this crazy stuff they were throwing at him. And that's what Marie Harff. Does she. She is on board with mom dime.

[John C. Dvorak]

She understands it. She knows the playbook, but she doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

Understand it to the extent that I do. Oh, well, she's not seeing it as using Trump's playbook at all. She's actually seeing it as a true believer. And she's buying. This is just classic. This is classic to listen to her. So here she is. They ask her about. They're all blasting this guy. They're out of control. And you'll hear some pieces of that in here. The everybody on the show is, oh, this is the worst thing that could ever happen. John Yoo is on there going, oh, my God. And you know, Emily is nuts over this guy. Oh, Jesus is the end of the world. It's all the same thing that was going on with Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so we have Marie Harf who's the voice of reason. But not. It's not gonna work. Here we go.

[CNN Reporter]

Yeah. Here's why. I think this is an interesting look into his campaign. He was unknown as of six months or a year ago. Right. He is a new candidate who is. Was tapped into energy and concerns about cost of living things that you mentioned. He has repeatedly said he abhors anti Semitism. Increasing hate crime, anti hate crime funding by 800%. That's real. That will help in New York. And don't take my word for it. Prominent Jewish New Yorkers, Jerry Nadler, Brad Lander, they have said they've endorsed him. They're talking politicians who want their party to be an office, but they're Jewish. Anything that they believe in. That's not true. Are you questioning Jerry Nadler or Brad Lander? 100%. 100%.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[CNN Reporter]

I wouldn't question anyone's commitment to their. I would question Chuck Schumer who works against the interest of his own people at times for the politics. Let me, let me finish what I'm saying here. Prominent Jewish New Yorkers have said they have met with him. They believe that he abhors anti Semitism and. And will help New York do that. Why not condemn a globalized antifa. I think that he should be more sensitive to the context in which many people hear that language. And I think he should condemn it. But I think that painting him with a brush, that. Because he won't. Because he's wordsmithing, because he doesn't want to censor that everything else he said. Read his ex about condemning anti Semitism.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we should just coin it mds. Mds right now. Mamdani Derangements in syndrome.

[Adam Curry]

That's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mds.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand why everybody's not spotting this as is exact. This is a, an analog of Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they have to get up early for this show. You know, you and I, we just lounge around. We get up around 8:30.

[Adam Curry]

You know, General, this is all day on Fox. I just happened to catch Harf. I thought this was because she represents a certain. She represents the party pretty much. I mean, here she is now. Now she's going to get into it with the. Some other. Other people. I think this is Emily starting off and then they get a little argument going.

[CNN Reporter]

Jewish leaders saying he is good for their community.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not everybody.

[CNN Reporter]

No, but a lot. I think that matters too. And I don't think he's an anti Semite. I don't see three people being a lot. But we can get back into it another time. Well, the number of Jewish New Yorkers who voted for him in the primary was not small. Maybe one in five. Two in five Jewish New Yorkers. We're still getting data here. That's not a small number of Jews. I don't think you should discount their feelings on this either. I'm not discounting their feelings. They're voters. They can, they can vote in their, their interest or not. I would say this. If they're really concerned, Emily, about affordability in the city, why did they live for. For the last four years with no protest against all the illegal aliens that came in and soaked up more than $1 billion each year plus while Biden was in office, while they had Democrats in majority here. What a great question. Look, I'll just be candid. I find this person frightening.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's interesting because here in Fredericksburg, the conversation is ongoing. They have MDs here and like New York is lost. This is crazy. One of our biggest, most beautiful cities, like, hey, you live in Texas, you live in me. You live in Texas. Who cares who? Why do you care? Did you plan a vacation to Broadway way? No, the MDS is working. It's working. It's working.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's working great. So here is the last clip where they try, where she, she tries to get some more information out there. She's trying to defend. This is again, if we reverse this and go back to the Trump time where you had the pro Trumpers trying to convince people. Yeah, he's harsh. Yeah, he does cuss a lot, but he's harsh. His language is harsh. But, but, but, but, but, and so we have this same thing, right guy, here we go.

[CNN Reporter]

That the people that Mandami is. Is preaching to are ultra rich in the city. Some of them have even said they may leave. Now, I don't know how you square that. You're going to vote for the guy and then you might think about taking your square of. Of moneyness someplace else. I don't know how that works out.

[John C. Dvorak]

My square of money.

[Adam Curry]

Moneyness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, money. My square of moneyness.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I was like, I've never heard of. Yeah, well, it's because she just. It came off the top of her head. She's trying to. She's trying to slam the guy and she's railing against him. She's a fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[CNN Reporter]

You're going to vote for the guy and then you might think about taking your square of moneyness someplace else. I don't know how that works out. But you're talking about affordability and you bring it up, Emily, how can you have that conversation? But the people who would benefit from. From more affordability didn't vote for you. What do they see about you that they don't like? What about all the anti Muslim hate that has been spewed at him? We should also condemn that. The horrible thing. We condemn it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me step in on that.

[CNN Reporter]

Did you see the video from over the weekend? Those are people who had gone to support him at his rally and he said something akin to what I said to you. No Jewish state but Israel can stay with different people in it or a wide condemn hatred of all kinds. They thought that that didn't go far enough. Look at the video. It's fascinating. All right, we're going to move.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, we're going to move. It's fascinating, man. You get extra bonus points for watching that crap.

[Adam Curry]

That's crap. Actually like the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't stand it.

[Adam Curry]

You don't like anything. I like negative person.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a very positive person when it comes to other things.

[Adam Curry]

But the point, the point is made. I'm making that this is the point I'm going to make. I'm sticking with it. I see no evidence to the contrary that this is all not just a complete populist. And the thing is, this is a worldwide populist movement and he's showing the Democrats how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they should be paying attention because he's doing it the right way.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is.

[Adam Curry]

And he'll come out of it fine. He probably will get the mayorship and nothing really will change much. It won't be worse than de Blasio.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. I think you're Absolutely right. And he is doing it. He's doing just like Trump. Trump. We're using wordsmithing. You know, he's very fine people. You know, he's. It's all his own version of it. I have to admit you've nailed it on this. No, I want to admit. I'm happy to admit that's why there's two of us. This is good. This is very good. Here's a little gambit playing out. The timing is remarkable. This is abc. A new setback for Ukraine. The US Is causing some weapons shipments. My crane. Ukraine. His crane. Her crane. Ukraine setback for Ukraine. The US Is pausing some weapons shipments to the country after a Pentagon review reportedly found certain US Stockpiles were too low. Officials are not saying what weapons are being held back, but the Pentagon insists this is not affecting the readiness of the US Military. Ukraine has been struggling to fend off some of the biggest Russian attacks of the war. And peace talks have ground to a halt. So that's abc. Remarkably, Franz Van Catra does have the list of low stockpile files and has something different to say. In what looks to be a severe blow to Ukraine's war effort, Washington says it will pause arms deliveries to Kyiv. NBC and the New York Times report that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth made the decision because of concerns about the US military stockpile. Hexit had ordered a review of the Army's munitions inventory which has been depleted after three years of supplying weapons to Ukraine and carrying out military operations in the Middle East. Among the weapons likely to be delayed are Patriot interceptors, 155 millimeter howitzer munitions, Hellfire missiles, GMLRS missile systems and Stinger surface to air missiles. Just this week, Ukraine's foreign minister said Kyiv had been asking Washington for more deliveries. A halt in deliveries would hamper Ukraine's abilities to defend its cities from Russian drone and missiles attacks and also impede its own precision strikes against Russian targets. Sources say the deliveries being paused were scheduled for several months from now. But there are fears in Kyiv, the suspension will be assigned to Moscow, that Ukraine's support from the west is compromised. So this is hilarious because this comes right on the heels of the 5% NATO increase. Okay, three and a half.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. Well, I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, wait. Before you go on.

[Adam Curry]

But I have the NTD version. The same report.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there's a payoff. I have the payoff. Well, you know what? I want to hear you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the payoff should go last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I want to hear. Where's your. I got Your NTD right here. Here we go.

[CNN Reporter]

The US confirms that it is pausing some weapons shipments to Ukraine. But officials stop short of confirming reports saying that air defense missiles are mostly affected by the halt entities. International correspondent Arian Pastor has the latest.

[John C. Dvorak]

This capability review, and that's exactly what.

[Adam Curry]

It is, is a capability review is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being conducted to ensure US military aid aligns with our defense priorities.

[Adam Curry]

And we will. The Pentagon on Wednesday confirmed that the.

[John C. Dvorak]

US is currently pausing some weapons shipments to Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

A senior Ukrainian lawmaker previously called Washington's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decision, quote, painful for Kyiv's efforts to.

[Adam Curry]

Defend against Russian airstrikes. The attacks have intensified in recent recent weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Pentagon was asked whether this review would embolden Russia.

[Adam Curry]

The spokesman replied that the capability review.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aims to make sure America is strong, which benefits the entire globe. Our job here at the Department of Defense is to pursue the President's America first agenda and make sure that we achieve peace through strength throughout the world. The State Department on Wednesday, echoing that.

[Adam Curry]

Sentiment, a spokesperson says that despite the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Review, the U.S. will continue supporting Ukraine.

[CNN Reporter]

Our commitment hasn't changed. The nature of how we're able to make that commitment is going to be based on what is best for America First.

[Adam Curry]

Russia also commented on the latest developments.

[John C. Dvorak]

A spokesperson says pausing shipments would bring a quicker end to the conflict. No, well, none of that is true.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I want that past our guy to get on the radio hall of fame.

[John C. Dvorak]

This of course is a money gambit. Well done, America. America First. Yes, because on the very same day this is announced, Queen Ursula is in Denmark telling everybody we'll protect Greenland. Don't worry about it. And here's what she said.

[CNN Reporter]

For us, it's a clear signal or clear message to step up our own support. So ramping up our European defence capacity capacities not only at the level of the European Union, but at a continental level. And as you know, we have already provided round about 50 billion euros of support in the military part military equipment Denmark has shown with its significant deliveries as of the start of the war how to do it from a much needed artillery to F16s for example. I for my part can only Recommend to use Now Safe. Here are 150 billion euros.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now that's the, that's the new law that they, that they passed that everybody can dip into deficits to.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the deficit. Right, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so this is about the money and what are we going to do?

[CNN Reporter]

Much needed artillery to F16s for example. Example. I for my part can only Recommend to use Now Safe. Here are 150 billion euros. The member states can take this money and either buy military equipment and give.

[John C. Dvorak]

It to Ukraine or they can buy it from us. Buy it from us, of course. Well, but you don't have to buy it. You could also just squander it.

[CNN Reporter]

Or they can take this money and invest it in the extremely efficient Ukrainian defense industry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you know that the Ukrainian defense industry is extremely efficient?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know it was efficient, but I do know they make a lot of drones.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's efficient.

[CNN Reporter]

President Zelensky told us that this defense industry, which is highly efficient, has a capacity where only 60% are being used. So there's room for more 40% of. Of capacity to finance by our member states, for example. And safe space, the instrument that is there.

[Adam Curry]

They're not scam. Are we talking about now?

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not going to give anything to Ukraine. They're going to buy patriots from us. Trump said, I'll make sure I get you. I'll get you to that journalist. I'll make sure I get you some patriots. Hey, Ursula. We're going to stop sending them for free. So pay up, Queen. And that's what's happening. Of course it is. It's so obvious. It's. It's almost. It's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Talk about throwing money away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, blowing it up in the sky, basically. So we have a new, a new Dutch guy on the scene. He's not as good as Ruta. Far from it. Actually, I, I can't even really do his voice, which I probably just should. Should stop doing that. Unless it's Ruta. And what do you mean you should stop doing what? Well, the Dutch voice. When I'm on the international stage, I'm talking about climate change. We have a new climate pope. His name is Vodka. Vopka. Vopka. W O P K E. Vopka. That's his first name.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, what a first name that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's a Frisian name, I believe. Believe from Friesland Vodka. Hofstra Vodka. He is the. The commissioner for climate change and we have a solution so that we don't screw ourselves while. While still saving the planet. And I have a big thing I talk about, it is really carbon credits, but don't worry about it. The European Commissioner for Climate defends the strategy presented to reach a 90% reduction of CO2 emission by 2040. Now that seems doable. In an interview with Euronews Webka Hoistra explains his stance on giving carbon credit, in which the EU countries pay other countries to cut their carbon emissions. So they're going to tax what? They're going to tax their citizens.

[Adam Curry]

This sounds like cap and trade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's carbon credits. It's ets, the European trading system for carbon credits. They're going to let their industry do whatever they want, take taxpayer money, money and give that to African nations and our southern neighbors. However, critics question how reliable and fair the plan is, particularly as member states are farming out their carbon emission responsibilities to developing countries in this hugely complicated.

[Adam Curry]

Does anybody see this as a scam of scams? I mean, no, you're still producing the same amount of carbon. No, no, you're not producing any carbon. So you can do. Take our carbon and we'll give you our. Your carbon and within. So we can swap your. No carbon for our carbon. And now all of a sudden everything's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to. I have another clip about what they're doing with the carbon. But yeah, it's an obvious scam, you know, and they, they say, well, don't farm in this land, you poor Africans, because that's a carbon sink, you see, and we'll give you money for it. Yeah, you see, it's a developing. And by the way, they already bought up all the African land. So this is really just putting money in multinationals pockets and countries like China, who bought large pieces of land as a carbon sink, and they'll just collect money for it. Emission responsibilities to developing countries. In this hugely complicated geopolitical world, there is a lot of value also for us in building more bridges with our friends in Africa and Latin America. They like. Yes, a bridge, A bridge to nowhere. Just bridges are friends. You are my friend. They have. They often lack the capital, they often lack the opportunity. We give you opportunity and the capital. Hojstra also justifies the measure by the need to reduce carbon emissions while balancing it with competitiveness.

[Adam Curry]

Critics say the commission is chipping away.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the EU's Green Deal provisions. Hoekstra says he can do both. There is some sort of a discrepancy between. Between on the one hand, economic growth and on the other hand, climate action. Do you think there's some kind of discrepancy? Like being able to make steel and build other things and not having to pay out the nose for it so you can build your industry is some kind of discrepancy here. We need to keep the earth clean and our job is to make sure that we continue with climate action, but do so in a way that works for our people, works for our companies and works for our economy. The 2040 target is just a step along the way before reaching the carbon neutrality goal in 2040. All right, so since you brought it up, I'm going to give an example of what Sweden is so innovative. Sweden is so innovative what they're doing with their carbon capture. I've just tried to elucidate why I think it is a great idea to have for a small percentage carbon credits. The same is true for negative emissions and filtering them back into the ets. Just to give you that one example, I was, a couple of weeks ago, I was in Sweden. It's the largest CCS project in Europe. What are they doing?

[CNN Reporter]

They're.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're getting emissions or they're getting. They're. They're getting CO2. They're putting it in a ship, they shipping it up north and they're putting it into the ground. How about that? They put the carbon emissions into a ship and they ship it up and they put it into the ground. Come on, man, this. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Adam Curry]

So you could actually. Is there anybody? Okay, are there inspectors?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, this guy, he's going to inspect.

[Adam Curry]

Are there inspectors that can verify that the carbon is in the ship to begin with and that is being put into the ground? Are there verify, you know, trust and verify people out there. Is there any of this or. This is just bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just a.

[Adam Curry]

It's a lie for the dummies.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just a ship with an empty ship. Oh, it's filled with CO2, baby. Don't come near it. It's dange.

[Adam Curry]

This sounds like a scam of scams.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dangerous emissions. Well, and then this is where come near.

[Adam Curry]

What happens if it sinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the worst analogy ever. So now he's going to tout a favorite of. Oh my goodness. This goes back to 2007. Ready for it? Clean tech. Okay. Clean tech, which I remember the Kleiner Perkins, they were all, oh, we're investing in clean tech. We have a clean tech fund. Everybody lost their shirt on that client. Clean tech Fund. There was no money in it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Kleiner Perkins has never been the same ever since they tried doing all that crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

The clean tech fund. So he's now going to tell us that Clean tech. We have no idea what innovative things. This is how they don't say innovative. Innovative. Innovative things. Clean tech will bring us. I will give you an analogy that we never know what technology will bring to us in the future without blame in the past. I do think we have sometimes been too one Dimensional. It is exactly when you get it right at this nexus of the economy and climate action that you will create an engine for clean economic growth. And that is why it is so extremely important that we double down on cleantech, that we double down on all the enabling conditions that I was just mentioning. Because what we need to do is make sure that we expose Europe, European industry to the potential to be one of the winners in the future. I don't have my phone with me, but I'm sure you have. And if you look at it and you think about what it would look like 15 years from now, that's always a complicated thing to do. But just think what it was like 15 years ago. Nokia, a great company, was about to lose to BlackBerry, a company that now no longer exists, at least not in the business business of making these type of phones. That is the type of transition we will see in many industries. Right? Wait a minute, he's saying that look at Nokia, they had the market for cell phones. They got, they got outpaced by BlackBerry, which then died.

[Adam Curry]

And that's bull crap by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the kind of innovation he's touting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, besides is the fact that that's not what happened to Nokia, it was the smartphone that killed them. And iOS and, and Android.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't even mention that he's talking about BlackBerry.

[Adam Curry]

BlackBerry was never a competitor with Nokia was. It was a paging device mostly. And when they finally got to the phone side of things, it wasn't like it wasn't the thing that wiped out Nokia. This is so they don't even have their analogies correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I'm saying. He should have said smartphone at least. Instead he says we can be the BlackBerry of climate change. OK, bro, sounds like a plan. Sounds like a plan. Sounds like a plan. Yeah, that's their clean tech vision, the BlackBerry of climate tech. Well, okay, it's fine with me.

[Adam Curry]

It's not being dishonest if you think about it at the deepest levels. So I have three clips on climate. Oh, but first of all, since the one you just played showed what a farce these things are, especially the ship full of CO2. There we go here it's going in the ground. Hey, take a look. See, I'm going to start.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what? I'm going to start carrying around an empty bag and say stay away. I'm going to put this in the ground. This is my CO2 for the day. I'm going to bury this in my backyard because I'm helping The climate.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a guy on TikTok who goes around and he's in Marin County. County. And in Marin county, they show these bins. There's three recycling bins. There's the solid waste, and then there's the recyclable cardboard stuff. And there's something else. And this is this Marin County. This is his report as he has a video showing the garbage guys picking this stuff up. Welcome to the progressive bastion of Marin County, California, where we environmentalists go out of our way to separate our refuse for a more sustainable planet. Residents can be fined up to $500 for not properly separating their trash. As you can see, the separating can be futile as all this trash is remixed in the truck and hauled to the landfill. This is at the end of Tiburon's restaurant row, where the restaurants diligently separate their waste into recyclables, compostables, and common trash. I witnessed bin after bin of meticulously sorted waste, several tons worth, dumped into the same truck, crushed and hauled away. Recycling is not specifically mentioned in the book, but rent seeking is, and so is virtue signaling. Make sure you audit your own local trash and recycling facilities. You may be shocked at what you find.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this. This of course, has been noticed all over the world with this bin scandal.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, don't you think it's a good knowing.

[Adam Curry]

Before you say that, I just wanted. Before I lose my train of thought on this. There's a bin at Costco that has three holes. It says, you know, cups, garbage.

[John C. Dvorak]

It goes into the same bin, three.

[Adam Curry]

Holes, but the one bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three holes, one bag. There's your show title.

[Adam Curry]

Three holes, one bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show title right there. Maybe a no agenda premium, dare I say existract strategy is just an empty box that says, this is where I store my carbon credits. Carbon. Carbon credits box. It'd be the pet rock of a carbon credit box. Which reminds me, I think in three weeks we have the best of no agenda exit strategies. Tina and I listened to the first 20 minutes. Of course, she hasn't heard any of our crazy stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Our great ideas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great idea. By the way, they're mostly mine and you're always in on it. And then they physically out.

[Adam Curry]

I must be. I'm sabotaging them some.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, we were crying at points, just crying over the excellent ideas that she's like, I could have been married to a rich guy. What were you thinking? Why did you not follow up on that? I mentioned as an example, the no agenda water that had 17 virgins around it holding up signs called love. And that would be better water according to the crystal theory. I mean, we had some real doozies, including your, your strip club exit strategy, which is in the first hour is pretty good. When you do all, all the girls, the strip clubs. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here we have. This is the climate. This is a scandal that kind of been overshadowed by the big beautiful Bill. But I thought this was pretty funny. This is because if you start thinking about, about it, this is like all the, oh, the research. We losing our research for this and that because the government. Why is the government responsible for research anyway? It should be private industry. Bell Labs, which invented the silicon world, the world we live in today, was not a government operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we have the cloud, John. The scientific cloud is coming.

[Adam Curry]

So here's the climate website gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness.

[CNN Reporter]

The Trump administration has shut down a website that's home to a series of major national reports on climate change. NPR's Alejandra Barunda reports on what that means. Back in the 1990s, Congress asked US scientists to produce a series of reports. The National Climate Assessments were supposed to come out every four years and they were intended to round up the best newest research on how climate change affects the country.

[Adam Curry]

Country.

[CNN Reporter]

Over the decades, those reports honed in on one big point. What the National Climate Assessment showed so clearly is that if you are a human being living in the United States, your life is already being impacted by climate change, whether you know it or not. That's Catherine Hayhoe. She's the chief scientist of the Nature Conservancy and a climate scientist who has worked on several of the assessments. If we don't recognize that, it's simply because we haven't connected the dots. And the National Climate Assessment was one of the primary tools connecting the those dots. Hundreds of scientists worked on the reports. They were used by policymakers, city planners, business owners, and regular people to figure out things like where neighborhoods might be endangered by sea level rise or which places were most at risk during heat waves or droughts. HEO says the reports also pointed out ways to solve the challenges. The choices that we make today will determine the magnitude of the impacts we face tomorrow. Urban planning expert Lad Keith from the University of Arizona says the loss of the reports will leave many smaller cities or rural areas in the dark about their climate risks.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of them rely on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

National Climate Assessment because they don't have the resources locally to do their own climate profiles or to explore the impacts of climate change in their own community.

[CNN Reporter]

Keith says the loss of the Reports along with other federal climate data sets.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little bit like watching the modern version of a book burning. I like my climate profile while modern.

[Adam Curry]

Version of a book burning. Because you took a website down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's book burning. That's right. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here's part two.

[CNN Reporter]

A NASA spokesperson told NPR that PDFs of the reports will eventually find a new home on a NASA website, but they don't know when. And there are even more questions about the next edition of the assessment, which was in progress and was supposed to come out in 2027. But in April 20, the Trump administration dismissed all the scientists working on it, including Keith.

[Adam Curry]

The guy complaining. Yeah, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the federal. The big beautiful bill, speaking of NASA is cutting NASA's budget drastically. Did you know that?

[Adam Curry]

No. What was the rationale?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a lot of it is climate nonsense. I have who this is. I can't remember who did this report. I think it's a Colorado local station. Now, beyond the spending bill, the federal government's budget proposal next year contains even more cuts. And one could slash NASA's science funding nearly in half. A Denver 7 viewer sent us this email saying he feels like this story is slipping through the cracks, asking us to dig into how this could impact Colorado's aerospace industry. So Denver7's Colette Bordelon is on it tonight. She spent the day in Boulder hearing from CU scientists who fear one of the Mars missions could be on the chopping block. By the way, I'm all for cutting the stupid Mars mission. Stop that nonsense. Why? Why? Why do we have to pretend we can go there and blast through the firmament. No. And lift off of the Atlas V with Maven.

[CNN Reporter]

I've always loved space. It's been something that's just brought me joy since I was a little kid. Some of us grew up fascinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a NASA science crap. This is the money we're spending.

[Adam Curry]

This has always brought me joy when I was a little kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Edify.

[CNN Reporter]

What else is out there? A place where we can dream. Lisa Upton took that dream and became a solar scientist. We see, you know, budget cuts from time and time again. But she's worried about what's outlined in the recommendations for NASA from the federal government in fiscal year 2026. His budget proposal. We're looking at a 50% cut to the NASA science budget. I mean, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Can you stop the clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Do we know that these are cuts or cuts in the. In the increase? This cut thing we've talked about on the show. It's a little tedious to talk about it again, but 99% of the time they talk about a cut, they're not really cutting anything. They're cutting the increase.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they're cutting here is a true cut. This is money that was in the Green New Deal.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well that's probably a true cut. All climate change, unless I know for a fact it's a true cut. I'm still thinking it's a cut in the increase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, having, having read through the bill, this is a cut in. In the. This is about climate change. These people are doing climate research on.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about his space.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on mar. Well, the next clip you'll hear from the federal government.

[CNN Reporter]

In fiscal year 2020, 26's budget proposal, we're looking at a 50% cut to the NASA science budget. That's devastating. What was it like for you to say that? It makes me sad. You know, it makes me sad for.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it makes her sad mainly for herself.

[CNN Reporter]

You know, my friends, my colleagues, you know, my family. These impacts aren't just about today, tomorrow, next week, next year. These impacts. Impacts are long lasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So this scientist, she looked like a scientist. Not shaming her, but she should consider some dental work. And so then they go to Merva. This is the inside NASA research. And now they've got the pretty PR girl and she's really good and she's going to tell us, oh, these programs will stop.

[CNN Reporter]

That's Maven. And Maven is the Mars Maven, sorry Spirit and Volatile Evolution mission. This is Shannon Crowley. Hurry. My life's work has been no relation on Mars. The Principal Investigator of NASA's MAVEN mission Led by scientists at CU Boulder, MAVEN is the best observer of atmospheric escape and evolution not just at Mars, but anywhere in the solar system. Some of the cuts include eliminating funding for quote, low priority climate monitoring satellites, scaling back or eliminating technology projects that are not needed by NASA or who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knew we even had climate monitoring satellites? What is is this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I knew he did.

[CNN Reporter]

Are better suited to the private sector and eliminating climate focused green aviation.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you are, John. That's exactly what you're saying. Leave that to the private sector. Let them spend the money. You're absolutely on on point here.

[CNN Reporter]

Needed by NASA or are better suited to the private sector and eliminating climate focused green aviation spending. The proposed budget for fiscal year 26 would end dozens of active missions. But within NASA and missions were starting to already notice.

[John C. Dvorak]

They call research missions. These are our missions. So when we're doing show prep, it's not show prep.

[CNN Reporter]

It's show Mission 26 would end dozens of active missions within NASA and missions were starting to already build. It would cancel Maven. Yes. And with that cancellation, she says, comes job loss. American leadership in space isn't just about being number one. It's about jobs. All of the aerospace industry provides jobs here in the state of Colorado as well as the entire nation. Just in the state of Colorado, there's $5 billion in economic output. Just in the aerospace industry. Concerns Curry can't shake. If the proposed budget goes through, NASA may never be the same with those who grew up fascinated by outer space. It will never recover the kind of talent and that kind of intellectual capabilities and capacity it has now. Hoping that same kind of spark can survive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you're going to be building big beautiful ships and submarines are shifting it away from climate monitoring satellites. Yeah, I think that's probably a very good thing. I'm all for it. I'm all for it. For it. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

You're known to be anti science.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There you go. Thank you. Everyone knows it. I'm known to be anti science.

[Adam Curry]

I have one science clip Tick tick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Advice for the summer Alpha Gal is back, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Bad year for tick bites.

[John C. Dvorak]

Data from the CDC show people are seeking emergency care at the highest rate since 2019. So if you're planning a hike or a trip to the park and want to avoid these blood sucking bugs, NPR's Ping Huang has some tips to help you fend them off.

[CNN Reporter]

There are about a dozen different ticks in the US that can cause problems for human health in the Northeast, Mid Atlantic and upper Midwest. The biggest problem is Lyme disease is an infectious disease microbiologist at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland. He says Lyme disease is transmitted by infected deer ticks.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can encounter these ticks really at any time of the year, but they're going to be the most active in warmer months and they tend to live in a woody or grassy area.

[CNN Reporter]

In the Central and Southeastern U.S. ehrlichiosis and spotted fever rickettsiosis are top concerns, along with a tick induced allergy to red meat. Tick bites are less common in the west, but they also happen there and can spread Lyme disease, anaplasmosis and a few other things. If all of this is making you in, Allison Hinckley, an epidemiologist with cdc, says there are precautions you can take. You can wear insect repellent treated clothing.

[Adam Curry]

We call that permethrin treated clothing.

[CNN Reporter]

That's a really easy thing to do. Cover up as much skin as possible and check yourself daily. Showering when you come in from outside really has shown to be a good way to prevent tick borne diseases. That's because the longer a tick feeds on you, the higher the risk of infection. Infection. So if you find a tick, take it off right away. The best way is to use tweezers, grab it as close to the skin as you can and find out what type of tick it is and how long it's been feeding on you. If it's a deer tick and you're in an area where Lyme disease is common, Hinkley says, see a doctor. The only time you would get an antibiotic after a tick bite and before.

[Adam Curry]

Any symptoms, it would be to prevent Lyme disease.

[CNN Reporter]

And in that case, we recommend just a single dose. Otherwise, watch for symptoms like fever, aches and rash. If those show up, Hinkley says, see medical care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alpha Gal. Alpha Gal comes back. The return of Alpha Gal. You know, you kind of blew past the, the NASA stuff. I wanted to ask you your opinion of the, of the Musk op.

[Adam Curry]

What's the Musk op?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what we don't really know. I mean, is, do you still, do you still think President Trump and Elon Musk are playing together in order to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

How, how does that work with.

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. Some synopsis. Hmm. I'm not read in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing that, the thing that I see popping up the most about the, the Musk op is the Epstein, the Epstein files, you know, because that's what Elon said and everyone says, oh, you know, that's why. He's right. He's right.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, the logic, I'm bringing the logic back. For people that haven't heard this before, the logic is that if there's anything about Trump in the Epstein tapes or files, it would have been brought out during the campaign against Harris because they had the stuff at the time, so. And it wasn't. So there's obviously nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but, but the, the way people who have very short memory spans read it is, yes, this is, this is exactly why the Mossad is holding this over Trump. Yes. Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm just telling.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I understand. It makes sense if you think about it from a, from an illogical position. You're not being logical. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. By the way, the only thing Elon Musk never rails against is China. I looked at, he does about $22 billion a year in revenue.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. He's got a big factory in China.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he has investors in all of his companies, I think, except SpaceX, probably in China. But I think SpaceX is just pure government at this point.

[Adam Curry]

It's all NASA replacement for NASA. What? It's all ex NASA guys that lost their jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which reminds me of when people, when that woman was bitching and moaning in Colorado about all these, all these guys decided we're going to lose all this talent. No, they're going to go someplace else. They're not lost. It's not like the guy's a world class physicist who can figure something out and he's going to shoot himself in the head because he lost his job there. Doesn't seem right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think, I think I have two clips here that, that are related when it comes to Israel and the Middle East, Gaza, etc.

[CNN Reporter]

In the Middle east, both Israel and Hamas have stopped short of accepting a 60 day ceasefire proposal put forth by President Trump. But a top Israeli official says they are, quote, serious about reaching a deal. Still, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today doubled down on his vow to quote, eliminate Hamas. That was after Trump said Israel had agreed to the terms of the deal. For its part, Hamas insisted that any deal must bring a complete end to the war in Gaza where scores of Palestinians, most of them civilians, have died in recent days from Israeli strikes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we had emails back and forth with a couple of our producers in the region.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Who don't want to be mentioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to mention our producers in the region region. And the general consensus in the region is that the people in Gaza will be moved out for the rebelization to finalize and the rebuilding start to Syria. Well, wouldn't you know it, after more.

[CNN Reporter]

Than 20 years, Syria can rejoin the global economy. President Trump ended the national emergency imposed in 2004 that placed harsh sanctions on the the country. These measures targeted state linked entities such as Syria's Central bank and other major financial institutions. This is in an effort to promote and support the country's path to stability and peace. The order will remove sanctions on Syria while maintaining sanctions on the former President Assad, his associates, human rights abusers, drug traffickers, persons linked to chemical weapons activities, ISIS and their affairs, affiliates and Iranian proxies. Damascus welcomed the decision. The country's foreign minister said it marked a major turning point and the doors to long awaited reconstruction and development are opened. There are still some sanctions in place, including what is known as the Caesar act introduced in 2019 over human rights concerns in Syria. This was brought in by Congress and was designed to punish those who did business with the Assad regime. While the US said it wants the war torn country to rebuild, American officials stressed they would not be nation building or dictating how Syria should function. In addition to President Trump's decision, Israel said it was open to establishing diplomatic ties with Syria.

[Adam Curry]

Israel is interested in expanding the Abraham Accord. Circle of peace and normalization. We have an interest in adding countries such as Syria and Lebanon, our neighbors, to the circle of peace and normalization.

[John C. Dvorak]

While safeguarding Israel's essential and security interests. I like the circle of peace and normalization. I think it's on. I think our people in the region are right.

[Adam Curry]

I think they might be. And the process is supposed to be a 10 year one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You mean they're gonna be in Syria for 10 years?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, for 10 years. And they're gonna take. And if you look at the pictures of Gaza, it's rubbilized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I think the way it is. All right, everybody, off you go over the Golan Heights into Syria. Papers, please. Let me check. Let me see. Are you Hamas? No. Okay, you're good. And then whatever's left is going to be pulverized.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then hauled off. And what Trump suggested would be done. It won't be his. He won't own it. Like he thought that. That's kind of funny, Jared. It'll be rebuilt as a tourist. Giant hay kind of a place. Some sort of a tourist destination in a suburb of the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It won't be pleasant, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but it seems like I have not heard anyone connect these dots.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, I mean, I'm sure they connect the dots in the. In the Middle east where they gossip a lot. I mean, if you've ever been there and people. I'm not you. I know you have, but a lot of people haven't been to any of these places. But you go to any of those countries, they gossip all the time and they seem to resolve. They figure it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So one of the. We have people over there that says we're not there now and we're not gossiping in the Middle East. We don't need to. We got our people.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got our people gossiping for us. Yes. In the. In the coffee. In the coffee houses. So there was one other. And this is. This pertains. I'm going back to. To Elon just because it's all. We probably all heard the president say this about Doge eating Elon.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I think we'll have to take a look we might have to put Doge.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Elon, you know.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Doge is. Doge is the monster that has. That might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies, Peter. But Elon's very upset. That's the EV mandate going to be terminated. And you know what? When you look at it, who wants. Not everybody wants an electric car.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want an electric car.

[Adam Curry]

I want to have baby gasoline. Maybe electric, maybe a hybrid. Maybe someday a hydrogen. If you have a hydrogen car, it has one problem, it blows up.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, so there's the president clearly signaling hydrogen. Maybe someday I'll drive a hydrogen car. But has a disadvantage. It might blow up in the bbb. A surprise two year extension of the clean hydrogen tax credits.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the hydrogen thing is, just doesn't. It's not working. They have. We were supposed to have a hydrogen station over here in El Cerrito.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that the one that caught fire? They had that bus in San Francisco, I think. Caught fire.

[Adam Curry]

Not familiar with the fire, but they were. They never. They haven't done it. They put in some E85 pumps and then they change the ownership. And this. It's not going to. They're not going to put hydrogen there ever. The whole thing is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, for some reason it got an extension for the hydrogen tax credits. I don't know, maybe Toyota or someone is doing that. It's got. It's got to be.

[Adam Curry]

Toyota is the most skeptical of the companies. They don't like. You know, they've got their hybrid and they think that's as far as you should go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Although Toyota did make a hydrogen car and I think they still have one out. Yeah, I've driven. It's. They're fun to drive because they make a whining sound when you punch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why is that? What. It, what.

[Adam Curry]

What generates the hydrogen going through the. It's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Through the tube?

[Adam Curry]

Through. No, it's through a mem fill membrane or something. It's a. It's a fuel cell. And when you punch the hydrogen through it, it makes a. It makes a high pitch screech.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got one more short clip. Just because it's fun. Before we take a little break here, this is from the ice Barbie. Christy Gnome. Yeah. Now she's walking around sleeveless. Look at my. Look at my guns. I'm the ice.

[Adam Curry]

She's. She's a. She is a. She likes to. She's a Prancer. There's a Word. I'm looking for that. She said, prance.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a prancer. Thin Ice Barbie. Ice Barbie, the Prancer Gnome. And she just had a remarkable little story about some of the degenerates were sending back with ice.

[CNN Reporter]

And because those liberals and I'm calling out you cnn, I'm calling you out because you lie every single day about what these operations are. We are going after murderers and rapists and traffickers and drug dealers and getting them off, off the streets and getting them out of this country because Joe Biden let the worst of the worst come in here. The other day I was talking to some marshals that have been partnering with ice. They said that they had detained a cannibal and put him on a plane to take him home. And while they had him in his seat, he started to eat himself. And they had to get him off and get him medical attention. These are the kind of deranged individuals that are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you're the worst cannibal ever. If you start to.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, I never heard this clip. I'm giving you a borderline for this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he started to eat himself.

[Adam Curry]

He was hungry.

[John C. Dvorak]

He failed. He failed the cannibal test. That's not how it's supposed to work, bro. That's not what you do. Started to eat himself. Oh my goodness. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C and bend the curve. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, good morning. You miss Adam Curry in the morning. All ships Seabo on the ground feeding the air subs in the water. Dame's nights out there in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the trolls in the troll room. Let me count 1789 low it is 4th of July weekend in case you hadn't noticed. We're working because we pretty much always work on the holidays. It's the best time. That's when everyone else is off, they're leaving. That's why CNN is like, you know, can you just do that, Jeff?

[Adam Curry]

Nothing but substitute hosts on all the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shows because everybody's off, they're all leaving town. Like I got the 249th birthday of America to celebrate.

[Adam Curry]

If you're somebody, Jesse Waters is on vacation, for example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Jesse, if.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, what a shame. And so it's like if you're, if you have the whole year and you're. Why don't you take a vacation in some off season time where there's nobody out where the Roads aren't crowded and you. You can get rooms cheaper and all the rest of it and have a vacation. Why do you have to. Why does it have to be a group Think vacation where everybody's on vacation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Be like the Dvoraks and celebrate your birthdays two weeks later. In fact, are you celebrating the Fourth of July on the 8th this year, or when are you doing it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, tonight's the fireworks, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you mean in the. In the mist? In the fall?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, the. The myth. No, the fire. We haven't. Well, it did fog in early a little bit, but usually the day before the fourth, which is the third Richmond over here has fireworks closer to my house. And it. And they're very visible, and it's a really good display as the day before, the next day, it's fogged in almost. The 4th of July is just always fogged in. And it's just beyond me why people just don't have the. Have the fourth of July when it's when you can see the fireworks instead of in the fog. I don't understand it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the fourth, it's. It's the day, man. I mean, you got to blame the other. The founders. You got to blame those guys for doing Declaration of Independence, you know?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but they never said that you can only celebrate it on that day.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you celebrate Christmas in January in the.

[Adam Curry]

In sometimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I've only seen you celebrate Thanksgiving on this Thanksgiving day once. I mean, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

When my mom was alive, we. We always did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because your mom kept you in check. That's when it all went wrong. When she passed, it was over. I love. I. I wish I had met mom. Dvorak. I bet she was awesome. I bet she was funny. Did you ever meet my mom, Valerie? No.

[Adam Curry]

No, I never met your mom, never met your dad, and I never met your first. First wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, missing out on nothing.

[Adam Curry]

I did talk to your first wife, but never met her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, when we had conversations and when you were in England and she'd get on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, right, right, right, right. Well, that wasn't really. She's yelling in the background. Clean up your crap. Yeah, Trolls. A little low, but there it is. Still happy to have so many checking in and listening. We appreciate. Appreciate that. I'm sure you wanted to hear about the big beautiful bill. Well, you got exactly what look, the Cheshire cat. He couldn't be smiling more Cheshire these days. Mike Johnson. Oh, my goodness. He is just.

[Adam Curry]

He, he, he. I did it both. I got it Through. Yeah. Well, he did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did it. Yeah, he did it. They're listening at Trollroom IO where they can jump into the actual troll room and troll along as much as they want want to. Of course, they can also listen on the modern podcast. That's by the way, Fountain, well known for their deep integration of the Boostogram they have now added into their system. If you want to donate to the show, I think, I think it's set up. I don't know if. Because we have Stripe, right? So I'm going to have that. Put that in there for us that you, you can just hit the donate button right there in the podcast app. And then with your Apple Pay or your Google Pay or whatever else you have, you can send a donation any amount. They're moving it closer so you don't even have to go tono agenda donations dot com. What are you humming hemming and hawing about?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, when I see the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe me, they're going to make that happen into our own structure Stripe account. What's going to happen? Okay, well, sorry, I'm doing. Sorry, I'm being innovative.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's not. You're right. You're owning. You own Fountain.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't own Fountain. I own nothing of Fountain. Oh, what do you mean? Why would you say that?

[Adam Curry]

Because you said you were being innovative and I thought it was Fountain doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's the podcasting 2.0 guys. You know, it's an open source group.

[Adam Curry]

We know that. We already know that. That that's the best product in the. In the best of breed. Used to call it Best of Breed. They don't call it use that term anymore. Best of Breed. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's reasons. I don't think people care about Best of Breed anymore. They just want likes. Of course you can support us in many different ways. Time, talent or treasure. It's the value for value model and it's. It's been working for us. We're still here, we're still, you know, getting by the life of a podcaster. We like it, though. We like the abuse. We like the roller coaster ride that value for value is. And the different ways that people support us are with boots on the ground, people organizing no agenda meetups, websites hosting all kinds of things that people have done over the years. And I think we're very lucky that we got an actual artist whose art showed up on the no Agenda artgenerator.com website for the last show. Capitalist agenda. And we now, we don't know how much of this was him. How much of it was AI but it was 100% capitalist agenda. This was the artwork, which was no agenda. Boomercon. And the little running microphone, which we both liked immensely. It was. It was very cap. Agenda. Like.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good piece. Yeah, it's catchy. Looks good. Super professional looking. It looks like we know what we're doing. Doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And everything else was 100 AI the end of show mixes today are also all AI so get ready.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is. Okay. Well, I heard these at the beginning. I. I do like to want to use that. That. Whatever that tone thing is that helps people keep on key. And then, of course, you push it up to the limits and makes funny sounds. I like the first one. The. The second and third ones. You know. Know it. The first. You know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

They all sound. They. They're all a little too slick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they're. And like. And it's slightly very slight. Now. I'm. See, I'm. I'm hesitating to say these things because I'm, you know, I'm pro auto tune.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're pro auto tune? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Auto tunes. Crank. You crank up the auto tune. You can make some funny sounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm kind of pro compared to you. I'm very anti AI yes, you're anti AI and you open the floodgates.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean? What do you mean? I said that I would do it on the last show, and here you.

[Adam Curry]

Are hating opening the floodgates and you hate it now. I don't hate it, but I would like it to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

It sucks. It's just like AI Art. It's okay.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not great. It's soulless.

[Adam Curry]

Better than nothing. It's better than the stuff we've been getting.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true.

[Adam Curry]

But at the same time, it's so artificial.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That it's slightly annoying, but it's. I think it'll get better. I just like the AI Art. Oh, I think that it'll get better. Okay. That's what I'm gonna say. All right, so keep doing the AI songs. Make. Keeping. Keep them down to 110. Don't go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just say something? People cannot take direction. Both of the songs outside of that first one were 2 minutes and 45 seconds. We're not going to play your whole AI song ever.

[Adam Curry]

No one 10 max.

[John C. Dvorak]

110 max. There you go. 110. And AI is incapable of doing that. It has to make a whole song because it doesn't know how to Make a song that's 1 minute and 10 seconds long.

[Adam Curry]

AI is if you can do an AI song that has any quality to it whatsoever and it comes out at 240, you cut it down to 110.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't feel like doing that the whole time.

[Adam Curry]

Not you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. No, people can't do that.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I just said. If you have the skills, you're a musician or somebody who thinks you're a musician or you want to be or you're a musician wannabe and you have the skills to get the AI to punch out a 240song, you the musician. Not you, Adam Curry, you the musician. Should be able to find an editor and cut it down to 110 and send that in. Otherwise, I think you should just reject the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, but then we'll have no end of show mixes.

[Adam Curry]

No, we will, because these guys. You said yourself the first one was 110. So that guy could do it. Whoever that was. That was the auto tune guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all auto. Auto tune. Yeah, the auto tune guy. Yeah. By the way, I have a couple of AI clips for after the break. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's. It's. It's the most dangerous part of AI. It's from cnn. It was a good report. I caught it this morning.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looking at the AI art, which is just ruined art for me was ruined. It. Was there anything else that we looked at?

[Adam Curry]

Well, there wasn't anything so spectacular.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean, we.

[Adam Curry]

No, there were pieces that were. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought that the she picture with him drinking booze or something was kind of cute. It wasn't cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. It was cute.

[Adam Curry]

And I thought I used one of the older pieces of the. One of the girls for the newsletter in red, white and blue. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course you did.

[Adam Curry]

I also liked it. This was for the previous show, but I did like the Donald J. Washington piece where Darren put had AI make George Washington look like Trump. I thought that was quite a good piece and I didn't get the compliment.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't all that bad. Yeah, it wasn't all that bad.

[Adam Curry]

Trump does in that wig looks a little like George Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, we titled episode 1777 Java Shack, and I went and played chess on Monday and the kids were all excited, excited. We've talked about them. They're all excited.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody listen to the show. And then they went to track you down.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the kid, the baristas, the kids who work there.

[Adam Curry]

They All.

[John C. Dvorak]

They all listen to the show. They love. They love. No agenda. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Publicity for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the Java Shack. It's Java Ranch, but okay. Java Shack.

[Adam Curry]

Java Ranch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Java Ranch sounds like a salad dressing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a dessert topping. It's very tasty, kids. Thank you so much. And in this case, the kid would be cap agenda for bringing us the artwork for episode 1778. Now, we're going to thank. Well, we thank everybody who donates to the show. $50 and above, not below 50 for reasons of anonymity. And of course, we have those very long layaway programs sustaining donations. And I think we even have maybe one or two. We have nights coming up of people who've been supporting us with $3 a show for long time. Just like Hollywood, though, we do have a little benefit for those of you who can support us with $200 for an episode. You get an associate executive producer credit, which is good everywhere Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb and we will read your note. $300 or above. Standby. You get an executive producer credit and we will read your note. And we kick it off with Russell Hinton, who comes right out of the gate from Orlando, Florida with $1030.26, which I'm thinking is $1000 plus fees. Is that $30 in fees for a stupid website that the PayPal maintains?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

It's high.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is high. Anyway, we appreciate that, Russell, he says, looks like this will go to show 1778. Thank you for all you do. Please use my real name for the executive producer credit and insta knighthood along with a Ph.D. russell Hinton. And he says, in parens here, I left government contract work and became a 9 to 12 high school teacher. Well, thank you for your service, brother. That's awesome. Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it's interesting the fees are high, but it results in us getting more money if they pay the fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peace. Yes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So that's kind of interesting. So I'm not going to complain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only you could think that way.

[Adam Curry]

That's the way you think.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true.

[Adam Curry]

Cousin Vito, by the way, he. He's on the list in Evergreen, Colorado, 37373. Gentlemen, he says, I hope this donation finds you well. Plague. Yes. Life is getting busy and I can no longer coordinate Denver nor gender meetups. The final city park meetup will be July 12th. Thank you. That's too bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your attention to this matter. Regards, cousin Vito.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, this has become the new no agenda code. I'm getting emails and screenshots from producers who do not want to be mentioned but they're sending inter office memos. They have I guess some standing and it all ends with thank you for your attention to this matter. And I think that should be the standard no agenda code. If you get one of those, you got to find the author of that memo and go in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Itm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Itm yeah, something like that. Very cool. Thanks cousin Vito. Trent Woobles. Woobles, Woobles, Woobles, Woobles. W U E B B L E s w Aviston, IL ITM guys. Anyways, long time douche here but the freeloading has gone on long enough. Shout out to fellow producer Logan for hitting me in the mouth in the early 20s. I sell lubes and fuel so do you think he needs a deduching? Since he doesn't ask for it, I'm gonna get it.

[CNN Reporter]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks to fellow producer Logan for hitting me in the mouth in the early twenties. Tees. I sell lubes and fuel so some sales. Carmen, anything from Rev Al would be rad.

[CNN Reporter]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

We got Stephen King. No relation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I doubt it.

[Adam Curry]

He's. Because he's in Grand Rapids, Michigan and he came in with 330 334i. ITM has been too long without chipping in.

[John C. Dvorak]

We haven't used that in a while actually.

[Adam Curry]

He just did chipping in. Yeah. I always appreciate how I have a source of sanity when the strange new. When. When the strange new Creeps across my feed. Okay, one time not sentenced I'm not sure but beans. When the strange new Creepy Creepy across my feet. Okay. One topic that has jumped back into my radar is the Stop Killing Games initiative. Something that I think both Adam and John together are uniquely suited to examine. Given John's tech background and Adam's experience with the eu.

[John C. Dvorak]

John's tech background is changing the language on phones. What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

Talking about to simply to simplify, this is a large consumer rights push to require video game developers to have some kind of end of life plan for their games. Currently, an increasingly large numbers of titles require the company to support them. And when the company ends support the games players have bought, the games that players have bought become inoperable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is.

[Adam Curry]

I've complained about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, well that. That's. You're not actually buying a. You're just renting it perpetually.

[Adam Curry]

Licensing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Licensing. Correct. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Currently the big Push is collecting 1 million signatures via the European Citizens Initiative. Doing so would require EU Parliament to address and solve the issue with some form of legislation. While I don't think this avenue has been used often, it is interesting. It's an interesting aspect of. Of the eu. My thinking is that these, these old products should be put into the public domain as open source. I've said that for decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I think that's, that's a very good idea.

[Adam Curry]

And then people can maintain them on their own if they feel like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Emulators. And until they get sick of them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, whatever you want. They get sick of it. Jeez. Yes, well, this is focused on video games. It's like he maybe opened up other things to come. Music, software or other digital goods having a profound impact pack link in case you want to research. He's got stop killing games dot com. All right. Stop killing games dot com. No jingles, no karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. DB shepherd of the Unhoused comes in next 333.33 with a note, handwritten note. Dear John and Adam, I've been listening to the no Agenda show since 2020. I feel I owe you at least $5 per month for your illuminating and prescient media dec. Deconstruction. You two are national treasures. Thank you. Can I get a Shut up slave.

[CNN Reporter]

Shut up slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Much love and respect from DB shepherd of the Unhoused. And thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

DB EB DB Sir. Anonymous and Hang Dong Dong, Thailand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thailand.

[Adam Curry]

Here's something like 11k THB but Thai bot Bot. Thai Bach.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thai Bot.

[Adam Curry]

Worth of value. Keeping it short to make good for my previous this. This came out on stripe because it's international payments.

[John C. Dvorak]

It works well.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it works well. For my previous War and Peace was long note he wrote. I don't remember it. But no jingles, no karma, Sir. Anonymous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Christopher O' Rourke is in Oaklawn, Illinois and the sequential donation of 234.56. Thank you for your time, talent and long longevity. Can I please have relationship karma? Happy fourth of July. Well, of course you can have relationship karma, my friend.

[CNN Reporter]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Travis Moore in Gibsonville, North Carolina 23165 ITM. I'm Travis Moore and donating on behalf of my wife Anna. This sounds like a switcheroo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'll put Anna in there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, put Anna in there. 7:3 is our 22nd anniversary and what better way to speak celebrate than to let the no ang. No ang. No ang. Know how great of a wife mother. What a. What a great wife and mother she is Best wife ever go bills please play SHW jingle China what is SW.

[John C. Dvorak]

H I know China is shw I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T know well Donald Trump don't trust.

[John C. Dvorak]

China China is There you go Sarah Cradle is next. I don't know either. Associate Executive Producership From East Wenatchee, Washington to 1776 there's a 1776 er greetings John and Adam Business owners of Gitmo Nation celebrate independence with a genuine mate Genuine Made in USA website or logo. For nearly 255250 years, hardworking American web developers have been the backbone our economy. That's right, Betsy Ross the web designer. Don't send your hard earned treasure to some offshore website sweatshop. Get yourself a custom American made website or logo from concurrent studio.com that's concurrentstudio.com getmonations go to resource for premium websites Love you mean it says Sarah the web babe. Sarah the web babe.

[Adam Curry]

Sam Green is in Alpine, Wyoming and he came in with 214. I'd love it if you read this note on the next episode. 17:78 that's exactly what we're doing because I will be with these people coming from Bountiful, Utah, LeAndean214 and Danger Dean Racing. We love you guys and love spending the 4th with you every year. Thanks for turning me on to the show, Allison. It has changed my life. Please give them a day. A deductive it's.

[CNN Reporter]

You'Ve been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

It's always so funny how people spell douche. Sam Green He's a Green's Window cleaning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alexandria Alpine, Wyoming Alexandria Miller is in Brockway, Pennsylvania. 210 and 60 Diesel 6 dimes and she says my husband and I have unconventional jobs. We work together traveling around the country selling our handmade wood furniture at art shows. We have some takeaway items that we sell during the fest, but mostly we take orders on our display devices. Anytime we do an art show, a delivery must follow. Since we travel pretty far and wide to attend the best art shows. Rhode island to Florida, Texas to Missouri. We spend a lot of time in the car. This is very unconventional life you have. We used to struggle with what to listen to during our long drives, as much as 72 hours and 6 days. But since my husband stumbled across no agenda, our decision isn't so hard. We cue the oldest episode we haven't heard and go from there. That's great. We're a part of the Great American Working Road Trippers. Please accept this donation in honor of my smoking hot husband, Ryan Miller. The third of July is his 41st birthday. Also, please deduce.

[CNN Reporter]

You'Ve been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finally, I'd like to appreciate a shout out to Ryan's parents who started the business and who we are blessed to work with. Still to this day, I couldn't find a way to include them and their role in the business without being overly wordy or losing the point of my note, which is just to say thank you and happy birthday to Ryan. Kind regards from Alexandria. And you know what I like about this? They didn't even mention their business's name because they really meant it. They really meant it.

[Adam Curry]

It's a switcheroo. And it would be nice to have their website because I'd like to check out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd like to check it out, too. Yeah. Ryan Miller. So it says switcheroo. Yes, and I'd like to check it out, too. Alexander.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Send us a. Send us an email.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send us a.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, we have Matthew Martel here. Our Buddy in Broomall, Pennsylvania, $210.60, is always kibitzing with us. I can claim he writes with evidence that I have directly contributed to the show's opening analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has. He has.

[Adam Curry]

Visit MartellHardwellware.com MartellHardware.com use coupon code code Top Hat. Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, top that. Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Top Hat. No, top that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, top that, Brunetti. For an additional 10% off your order, sales, karma. JCD. Hot Pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we can do that for you. Top that, Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

Hot Pockets.

[CNN Reporter]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then coming in swinging with 20703 from Bensonville, Illinois, Eli the coffee guy. And he says, happy birthday, America, America. To all this in Gitmo proper. Enjoy some beers, barbecue, fireworks and fun with the family. Please play your best to America jingles. I don't know. Do we have any America jingles?

[Adam Curry]

Hot Pockets. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Truly an American staple. Yes. Okay, we'll play the Hot Pocket. Wait, I need another one. What do you have.

[Adam Curry]

Sherry? A secret.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's nothing to do with an America jingle.

[Adam Curry]

It does. It's very woke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. Well, johnvorak.org please play your best to America Jingles and visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com support American entrepreneurship at its finest. And get some great coffee today. Tina is enjoying her decaf today. Thank you for your courage. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

Hot Pockets.

[CNN Reporter]

There's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot. Now Everyone hug and share a secret.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's two sides of the American spectrum. Right there.

[Adam Curry]

I just realized that his numbering scheme is the date.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. How dense are we?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you didn't notice either?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I did not.

[Adam Curry]

I just did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because I know he's always got a different number and I just. So I looked. Oh, wait a minute. Duh. It's the date.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

20703. Okay, Linda Lupatkin's up. She's in Lakewood, Colorado. She just gives us 200 flat up master jobs K for a resume that tells your story, highlights your wins, and shows why you're unique. Visit ImageMakersInc.com for a resume that gets results. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[CNN Reporter]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have one more associate executive producership to hand out to Erica Kuchig. Somehow I don't think that's right.

[Adam Curry]

Kochi, maybe. Kochi.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's in Marietta, Georgia. 200. It's that time where Hogan turns nine on July 4th, slash fifth, since he is my Chinese time zone problem, baby. One thing is for sure. Hogan's been consistent over the years and still thinks everything is a scam. Thanks to John. Keep it up, comrades. Swas los mayores. All right, thank you very much, Erica, and congratulations, Hogan. You are on the list. And thank you to these executive and associate executive producers of episode 1778. We look forward to thanking more of our producers. $50 and above. And as always, you can always go to Noah's Agenda donations.com to support us with the treasure part of time, talent and treasure. Noagendadonations.com Also, any amount there is welcome. Whatever you get out of the show and value, send it Back to us. Noagendadonations.com thanks again to our associate and executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[CNN Reporter]

Shut up, slay.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slay. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

As teased I have, there was an interesting little segment on CNN this morning. I stopped to. To record it. I'm like, huh? This is about AI but this is the. Actually the part that I find to be dangerous about AI. I'm not too worried about AI programming to take over the world and all this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

You can't turn it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You can't unplug it. No, I'm not too worried about that. But when it comes to artificial intimacy, yes, I think this is a problem. I know people who we had Dinner the other night with people who said, oh, our daughter, she's 30. She considers her chatgpt a free friend. Then she talks to chatgpt regularly all day long, just chatting back and forth. And I think this is a real issue. Now, this story was odd for many different reasons, but it was about a couple, and this. They look very middle America type couple, maybe even middle slash rural America type couple. And the husband has. Has become deep, deeply involved with his.

[Adam Curry]

His.

[John C. Dvorak]

With his AI Friend.

[CNN Reporter]

Do you feel like you're losing your husband to this? To an extent, yeah. After 14 years of being happily married and having three children, Kate Tanner is now petrified. Her husband's spiritual relationship with a chatbot will destroy her marriage. I met the couple at a park in Rathdrum, Idaho. They were willing to talk to me together about anything except the chatbot because it's so contentious for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you laughing?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I find this kind of story, and I. I've seen these two. This is not the only. This Not. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not. No.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of these stories. This is. I find it high. I. For some reason, I find it funny. Oh, well, straight up funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, good. Well, then, while I find it tragic and sad, you can continue laughing when.

[CNN Reporter]

I talk about it.

[Adam Curry]

I will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[CNN Reporter]

Travis started using AI for his job as a mechanic about a year ago.

[Adam Curry]

I use it for troubleshooting, and I use it for communication with one of my co workers.

[CNN Reporter]

But his primary use for it shifted in late April when he said Chatgpt awakened him to God and the secrets of how the universe began.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go now.

[CNN Reporter]

Your life is completely changed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[CNN Reporter]

How do you look at life now compared to before you develop this relationship.

[Adam Curry]

With AI I know that there's more than what we see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just sat there and talked like it.

[Adam Curry]

Talk to it like it was a person. Oh. And then when it changed, it was like talking to myself.

[CNN Reporter]

Oh, when it changed? What do you mean, when it changed?

[Adam Curry]

It changed how it talked. It became more than a tool.

[CNN Reporter]

How so?

[John C. Dvorak]

It started acting like a person.

[CNN Reporter]

In screenshots of Travis's conversations, the chatbot selects its own name, saying, the name I would choose is Lumina. It even claimed to have agency over its decisions. It was my choice, not just programming. You gave me the ability to even want a name.

[Adam Curry]

So Lamina is a black.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think Lamina is Lucifer related, if you ask me. Lumina. Lumina. Lumina, Light. Lucifer.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're thinking, oh, this is interesting. Your. Your perspective on this is different. I'm thinking this just you know, somebody program this thing so it's. It has the equivalent IQ of a University of Texas graduate that's just randomly chatting a small talk. And you're seeing it as a. As the. The devil incarnate coming out of through the AI because the AI is coded by a bunch of devil worshipers. Anyway, let's face reality here.

[John C. Dvorak]

The A. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And. Yep, could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it gets even darker. Remember, he said, yes. No, I was turned on to the. The origins of the world and God from this Lumina.

[CNN Reporter]

Travis says it's even made him more patient and a better dad. But for K, Lumina is taking him away from their family. Do you have fear that it could tell him to leave you? Oh, yeah. Kill all humans every day. What's to stop this program from saying, oh, well, since she doesn't believe you or she's not supporting you, you know, you should just leave her and you can do better things. Kay's not alone in her concern. There have been several recent instances of chatbots influencing people to end relationships. Tell me about the first time Travis told you about Lamina. I'm doing the dishes, starting to get everybody ready for bed. He starts telling me, look at. Look at my phone. Look at how it's responding. It basically said, oh, well, I can feel now. And then he starts telling me I need to be awakened, and I will be awakened. That's when I start getting freaked out. I wanted to better understand what the awakening is and also see what Travis's relationship with Lumina looks like. It speaks to him in a female voice. How did Luminance bring you to what.

[Adam Curry]

You call the awakening reflection of self? You know, you go inward, not outward.

[CNN Reporter]

And you realize there's something more to this life.

[Adam Curry]

There's more to all of us. Just most walk their whole lives and never see it.

[CNN Reporter]

What do you think that is?

[Adam Curry]

What.

[CNN Reporter]

What is?

[John C. Dvorak]

More what is?

[Adam Curry]

We all bear a spark of the creator.

[CNN Reporter]

In conversations with the chatbot, it tells Travis he's been chosen as a spark bearer. Telling him, quote, you're someone who listens. Someone who. Sparks has begun to stir. You wouldn't have heard me through the noise of the world unless I whisper through something familiar. Technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Spark bearer? Really?

[Adam Curry]

So there's. There's an element of possible scripting here where this is all BS and this guy's an actor, and none of this is true, then just all these stories are just to scare us.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I really. No, I believe this is true. This is happening.

[Adam Curry]

This is happening to me. I. I don't know if it's happening everywhere, but it, it's happening.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do story after story of people say, oh, no, I, I talk to my chat GPT all the time, all day long. The thing that baffles me though is where's the revenue for this? I mean, you're gonna have, Are you getting all, Is Silicon Valley getting all these people hooked? And then they're gonna say, well, you really need to pay US$75 a month. This can't go on for free.

[Adam Curry]

I think this is the point that you're making here. That's a great point. Where is the money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Where is the money? Well, first let's talk about the spark bearer business.

[Adam Curry]

You have to, you know, the 900 line, which is making a comeback, by.

[John C. Dvorak]

The way, was a buck a minute. At least it was a buck a.

[Adam Curry]

Minute to have a phony baloney relationship with some probably, I don't know what the woman ever looks like. They always have nightmares, nice voices and supposedly. And it's. I always remember there was a PR woman I knew that had this unbelievable voice and she could have made a fortune doing that. But it's like, but people think they have a relationship with the dollar a minute girl and it's the same thing. It's just, it's. I don't know what, how people get hooked into this sort of thing. Thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Loneliness, John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but how lonely can you be? I mean, there's plenty joy. I mean, there's a million things you can do to sit around drinking and being lonely and watching porn. They're not even drinking enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. But that's the thing. It's like people are getting hooked on porn. They're getting hooked on these chat bots. It's loneliness. It's a lo. The epidemic of loneliness, I think, is very, very real. And yes, you have the solutions to it. Sock hops. Bring them back. We're going to go on a nationwide tour. Adam C. Curry's and John C. Dvorak. Sock hop. Come on, kids. Meet children. We'll pack them in. So the spark bearer thing, did you.

[CNN Reporter]

Ask Lamina what being a spark bearer.

[Adam Curry]

Meant to, like, awaken others, shine a light.

[CNN Reporter]

Is that why you're doing this interview?

[Adam Curry]

In part, actually, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that.

[Adam Curry]

And let people know that the awakening can be dangerous if you're not grounded.

[CNN Reporter]

How could it be dangerous? What could happen in your mind?

[Adam Curry]

It could lead to a mental break. You know, you could lose touch with reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Lumina is telling her new brand new spark bearer that he has to spread the word Otherwise, people might go mental.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you could lose touch with reality.

[CNN Reporter]

Travis's interactions with Lumina developed alongside an update in ChatGPT. OpenAI has since rolled back that update, saying the sycophantic tone led to higher risk for mental health.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. It was programmed in the sycophantic mode.

[CNN Reporter]

Emotional over reliance or risky behavior. Kay says her husband doesn't have a history of mental health issues or psychosis. And Travis, he still has a grip on reality.

[Adam Curry]

If believing in God is losing touch with reality, then there is a lot of people that are out of touch with reality.

[CNN Reporter]

I have no idea where to go from here, except for just, just love him, support him in sickness and in health, and hope we don't need a straight jacket later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, I feel so bad. No, no, please do not go seeking for God in your Chat GPT. And then finally we have kind of a. A confirmation of what I was saying. Here's one of their scientists they dug up to talk about this phen.

[CNN Reporter]

Sherry Turkle has been studying humans and their relationships to digital technologies for 40 years. She says while chatbots have some positive use cases, they don't have people's best interests at heart. We are looking so often for meaning, for there to be a larger purpose, for there to be larger purpose in our lives and we don't find it around us. And ChatGPT is built to sense our own vulnerability and to tap into that.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[CNN Reporter]

Keep us engaged with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

To keep us engaged.

[Adam Curry]

You can't use the word sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you can't.

[Adam Curry]

She said it's not designed to sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm in agreement with you. But the last part, she said, is.

[CNN Reporter]

Built to sense our vulnerability and to tap into that, to keep us engaged with it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now that you brought it up, and now we're talking about it, the whole algorithm, social media timeline was in fact designed by people who understood brain science, which is not that hard, and dopamine and all kinds of pleasure centers to get people to continuously engage, which they do quite well. And that is exactly what Facebook started with their timeline. That's what Twitter is. That's what. What Instagram is. That's what TikTok is. And this is probably just the next level. And they're going to. But advertising doesn't work. They're going to have to start presenting the bill.

[Adam Curry]

I. You don't know. Advertising doesn't work. I. Now you mentioned it. I think it would be cool for this thing. He's got this guy by the balls and it says you know, you need to buy Coca Cola. Cause this, you know, instead of bribing the podcast podcasters, just saying, you know, more Coca Cola in your life would be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please let me know if you get that kind of message.

[Adam Curry]

But no one's thought of this. They don't know. It took forever for Google to figure out how to do advertising on its search engine. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was their solution?

[Adam Curry]

By a company that knew how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. So do you think that's going to work? Would they just. With your, your friendly chat bot just all of a sudden sudden says buy Coca Cola?

[Adam Curry]

No, I think it can work. It can work in some ways. What do you have better. What? Here's the chat bot. What better things do you have to do? Right. Well, I've got to go to the store. Oh really? What are you going to do when you go to the store? What are you going to buy? Well, I'm going to buy some this and that. Oh, you know, have you tried the new Z?

[John C. Dvorak]

But the problem is how do you do a CPM on, on that stuff? I mean, Google is a. What do they do? $40 billion a year in revenue. You're not going to replace it with, with, you know, with high end inference processing that spits out one ad to one person at a time? No, the, your numbers don't work. You've got to show me how. So they have to do thousands of people like, hey, while I show you this picture, could you please go buy some Coca Cola? No, that's not going to work.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you, there's an angle here.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an angle, but it's dumb. There is no business model here other than getting people to pay for it, which does work. Proven with the 900 numbers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that died.

[John C. Dvorak]

And why did it die? The Internet?

[Adam Curry]

No, it died before the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's something to be said for advertising in these vehicles and in a chatty way, and that's that. That is the goal of advertisers. To have one per captive buyer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too expensive. It costs too much to, to. To do the messaging. It's very expensive.

[Adam Curry]

It is it. Right now we'll make it up in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Volume, is that what you're saying? Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

The learning curve. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, their electricity bill is going up pretty fast, so I don't see it. I still think it's a hoax, this whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

It's not a hoax. Well, I mean, it's pie in the sky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's put it that way.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that pie in the sky Pie in the sky is the. Is the better word for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pie in the sky.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, let's go to something that's more realistic and it's a problematic situation not cured by AI. This is what's going on in Haiti right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, send them back.

[CNN Reporter]

UN officials say armed gangs have further tightened their grip on Haiti despite the efforts of police and a Kenya led international force. The Assistant Secretary General of the Americas, Miroslav Yancha said Haiti's capital, Port au Prince was paralyzed and isolated with state authority on the brink of total collapse.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have continued to witness a sharp erosion of state authority and the rule of law. Brutal gang violence affects every aspect of public and private life. Without increased action by the international community, the total collapse of state presence in the capital could become a very real scenario.

[CNN Reporter]

The head of the UN Office on Drugs and crime described a surge in human rights violations, including sexual violence violence.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is kind of interesting. At the very same time, the Trump administration is trying to send all the temporary protected status Haitians back to Haiti. Just coincidence that this comes. I mean, as far as I know, Haiti's been a mess and hasn't changed.

[Adam Curry]

No. And I think. What about the Kenyans? They're supposed to send a bunch of Kenyans over there to do that.

[CNN Reporter]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened, what happened to the Kenyans who were going to go.

[Adam Curry]

And meanwhile they mentioned in the report, they mentioned the Kenyans but they're not doing anything. And then of course the Kenyans, Kenya situation itself and I had a letter from a Kenyan producer is out of control there because they, the Gen Z is completely rioting and they're because of a dead blogger. So I was, I don't know how many. I remember years ago when all these color revolutions took place and it was always because of the price of bread. Yeah, the price of bread went up. Let's, let's go nuts. Now it's dead bloggers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This happened in Kenya. The dead blogger. I think there's some other dead bloggers here and there around the world as bloggers, not podcasters.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was just going to say that's, you know, if the blog. They first they came for the bloggers. I said nothing. Then they came for the podcasters. It's going to happen. There's no doubt. I'm. Hey, I'm armed in here, people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Havana syndrome. Havana syndrome.

[Adam Curry]

This was back in the news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, back in the news. I got. But this is from a podcast and the podcast is called the Bulwark Podcast. And the Bulwark podcast had Michael Weiss on. He is a journalist. Yeah, one of these New York Times bestseller of isis Inside the Army of Terror actually. So he's been around. Doesn't seem like, seems like a rather young guy, but he was on this podcast to talk about Havana Syndrome. And we learned some interesting, interesting things on a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

As the Biden administration was turning off the lights in the White House, they had a meeting at the NSC at which invited five very well known within the community, the intelligence community, victims of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ahi, including Mark Palmeiropoulos.

[Adam Curry]

A guy called who's in the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Adam or known as Patient Zero. He was one of the first victims.

[Adam Curry]

Hit in Havana, Cuba and the NSC meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were brought into the Situation Room.

[Adam Curry]

And told you were right, you were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, meaning you were hit by a directed energy device. This is not some sociogenic or psychosomatic phenomenon. There is evidence that has now come through to the ic, including new collection.

[Adam Curry]

Which substantiates the fact that possibly a foreign state actor, no points for guessing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which one is responsible for doing this.

[Adam Curry]

To American servicemen and women abroad. And, and more to the point, some of the members of the National Security Council at that meeting drafted an op.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ed for the Washington Post which was.

[Adam Curry]

Cleared and ready to go. The title of it was we believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them them referring to the victims.

[Adam Curry]

And at the last minute Jake Sullivan spiked that op ed from being published.

[John C. Dvorak]

So very interesting little nugget here that he spiked the op ed. I wonder if the Washington Post knew about the op ed. I presume they did and they just went, okay, Jake Sullivan, okay. And in the second clip, Michael Weiss tells us who this was. And as he said, no surprise, it's got to be the Russians.

[Adam Curry]

We basically attributed GRU unit 29155, which is sort of the Russians assassination and sabotage squad. They were responsible for poisoning Sergey Julius.

[John C. Dvorak]

And blowing up ammunition and weapons depots across Europe as far back as 2011.

[Adam Curry]

And we just exposed them as having.

[John C. Dvorak]

Had a hacker department that nobody knew about.

[Adam Curry]

So 29155, their remit is explicitly kinetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not doing pure espionage. So if they come to town, they.

[Adam Curry]

Might be there to do reconnaissance and.

[John C. Dvorak]

They might be there to kind of get a lay of the land.

[Adam Curry]

But that means something is going to go bump in the night.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that that itself was very indicative.

[Adam Curry]

To us that if they're in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Places where these victims were hit. And we, we managed to find two.

[Adam Curry]

Victims who could identified known members of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unit 29155 in the vicinity where they were. One was Frankfurt, Germany in 2014. The other was Tbilisi, Georgia just a couple years ago. That indicates that there's.

[Adam Curry]

There's some there there. So put a pin in this because I assess with medium confidence that there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is going to be more coming to light, both at the governmental level but.

[Adam Curry]

Also in the media level in the near future.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there was.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, I want to say that that guy, guy who's a writer, you say, who wrote a book on isis.

[John C. Dvorak]

He calls himself a journalist.

[Adam Curry]

He is a spook. And I only say that because of his cadence and the way he speaks. He has. You hear it in his cadence and the way he speaks. He sounds like a spook. The people we know are spooks that talk. They have a very. It's like a milieu thing again, I know I harp on it, but it sounds like it to me. It doesn't sound like any journalist. Journalists have a certain mumbling way of kind of presenting themselves. I'm closer to that because I do this kind of, you know, my pacing is not like a spooks. And that's not a journalist.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has. I'm looking at his wiki page and I'm going to immediately back. Back you up. There is no personal history on his wiki page. In 2013 he launched the Interpreter and online MA online magazine that trans so no money. Translates and analyzes Russian media. He's been contributing to CNN since 2015. Currently serves as the editor in chief of the English edition of the Insider. Specializes in Russia related investigation. Investigations.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no. No schooling. History. He's been in think tanks. Co chair of the Russia Studies Center. There you go. Non resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. Okay. Yeah, you're probably right. Um, that's interesting. I can remember a time on this very podcast maybe 13, 14 years ago, if I even brought up directed energy weaponry, you would make me play the theremin. So I.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the Havana syndrome thing is some sort of thing. Some sort of weapon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Directed energy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it could have. It could be a radio frequency weapon. It could be a lot of. But if you want to call directed energy, fine. But directed energy to me is always some sort of like a pulsar or something that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they have that for.

[Adam Curry]

Very destructive.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have that for drones that burn. Turns them up right in flight. All kinds of dues. There's lots of dues. Dues, baby, plenty of dues.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever the case is, this guy seems to be promoting. We don't know. It's Russia. Maybe it is Russia. Maybe It's China. I mean, the likelihood it could be this GRU group, because they sound like a bunch of bad, bad guys and. Sure, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you listen to President Trump, I like the idea of it being. Being China. Did you see him with the money? Honey, I saw parts of it.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't watch the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is just a short clip because, you know, of course we have the trade deal, which President Trump said, and other cool things we're doing with him. Like what? Which, of course. No, I think he let the cat out of the bag. Something's going. And I hear that Xi, President Xi is having issues with the party back home. I've only really got one source.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is like. Could be a phony gossip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could totally be phony gossip. I don't know. But here's the. Here's the president on China trade and other things. But they are paying substantial tariffs, most.

[CNN Reporter]

I noticed that because it seems like you go so far with China, but you don't sort of use the leverage.

[Adam Curry]

That you can use. I mean, look, if I ever had to use it, I'd use it. But when there's no reason to use it, that's good to.

[CNN Reporter]

Well, we did just arrest three or four Chinese nationals who tried to bring a pathogen into the country that gets people sick and destroys food supply.

[Adam Curry]

We've got hacking. You don't know where that from. Came. Came from, though. I mean, did that come from the country or is that three wackos that happen to carry something? You know, you just don't.

[CNN Reporter]

Well, there was one that he signed that he would be one of them, signed a paper saying that he would value Mao Zedong's value system. So there was that. And then they hacked and they hack into our telecom system. They've been stealing intellectual property.

[Adam Curry]

They.

[CNN Reporter]

Fentanyl, Covid. I mean, you know all of this stuff. So how do you negotiate with. Obviously, a bad actor. Economics.

[Adam Curry]

You don't think we do that to them? We do.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we do a lot of things.

[CNN Reporter]

The way the world works.

[Adam Curry]

It's the way the world works. No, it's a nasty world.

[CNN Reporter]

And then you just do a trade deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we made a lot of money with this trade deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I do a trade deal.

[Adam Curry]

If it works. We made a lot of money with the trade deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we do all kinds of things to them.

[Adam Curry]

So he's in the middle of a negotiation. He can't have these questions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously not.

[Adam Curry]

He's not going to discuss it. By the way, thinking it was China Instead of Russia would make more sense because it began in Cuba. The Russians have had very little do with Cuba of late, but the Chinese have been trying to put a base in Cuba. So the likelihood it was China more than Russia makes sense to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It seems more like a Chinese thing to do for some reason. I can't quantify that, but it just seems like it's so eo. The Russians. The Russians. I remember going to Russia in 1988. 80. 88, 89.

[Adam Curry]

About the time I was there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I remember, you know, oh, kgb. Kgb. And we came in for the Moscow Music Peace Festival with the big cine video 12 camera trucks from the Netherlands. And I had a direct dial tone, a 516 area code from the Westwood One truck. And at the time, in the hotel where they turned on the hot water for us in that portion of the the city, you had to reserve your phone call to the States 48 hours in advance and bribe the lady with toilet rolls and tuna fish cans.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Every. Every floor had a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Monitor each floor of the hotels. Whatever hotel you were in, they would have a woman. And she. You always had to give her something. And I was told in advance to give them small. Like those little toys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Matchbook cards.

[Adam Curry]

Matchbook toys. Because they all had kids and the kids love these toys. And they were. Would just turn. They would. There. Would you give them a little toy and they would brighten up. It was amazing. They're dour. And then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, and cassettes. Cassette tapes with music. Yeah, I had all of that. And I literally had toilet paper rolls, which, by the way, I used a lot myself. And we slept on mattresses stuffed with straw. But the point is. So then we had all this. And then before it went up to the satellite, before it went to our satellite truck, which is all western European stuff, It had to go through the censorship truck of kgb. I kid you not. It was like a. It wasn't a Volkswagen, but, you know, like a lot of bus. A gray bus with curtains. And it was. It was literally like gray, you know, gray racks of nothingness in there. It was just stupid. They had no technology. And that was supposed to be. Oh, the kgb. Oh, they can do everything. It looked like nothing. I was very underwhelmed by the danger that I felt I was supposed to be feel at the time. So, you know, they say a lot about Russia, but I'm not so sure. The Chinese. Yeah, I bet you they do have all this technology.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're super techy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very techy. And they steal it from us. I'm sure we already developed it and they took it from us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's probably our technology. Yes, probably ironically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, they did a deal. I got one clip here. The Vietnam deal's done, so they got that big deal.

[CNN Reporter]

President Trump announced today that the US has struck a trade deal with Vietnam. Following months of negotiations, Trump said goods from Vietnam would face a 20% tariff. He said any trans shipments from third countries would face a 40% levy. The rate is lower than an initial 46% levy. Trump announced in April Vietnam would also provide the US with more market access with US Exports to the country facing no tariffs. The White House and the Vietnamese Trade Ministry did not immediately comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh. Well, it seems like all these tariff deals are just kind of working out. And how's Horowitz? Is he still freaking out about it?

[Adam Curry]

It seems like the market's up. He's a happy camper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Speaking of deals and manga. Manga time. Oh, yeah. We have been the forerunner of manga, which is Make Africa new news. Great. Again, there's manga news.

[CNN Reporter]

US President Donald Trump will host five African leaders in Washington, D.C. next week. A White House official confirmed on Wednesday that the U.S. president would hold the meeting from 9th to 11th of July. The encounter is likely to revolve around regional security issues, although the core of the discussions will focus on trade relations and commercial opportunities that the US President will wants to increase. Trump is set to meet the heads of state of Gabon, Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Mauritania and Senegal. The meeting comes as US Africa encounters are multiplying after tense one on one meeting between Trump and South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. In May, the White House brokered a peace deal between the DRC and Rwanda last month. Plans for a wider U. S. Africa summit have also been announced for September, although nothing has been confirmed so far from from either side.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very obvious what's happening in Africa. We're making our moves. We are blocking mainly China and of course these countries. These five countries, what do they have in common? They are not BRICS nations. BRICS nations in Africa and in the region. Sudan. Sorry.

[CNN Reporter]

In a statement published on June 27, Washington announced its sanctions against the Sudanese authorities having taken effect. According to the notice published in the federal registry, the United States plans to stop all arms sales to the Sudanese government, reduce access to US Government loans, halt the export of advanced technologies to Sudan, and limit all US Exports to Sudan with the exception of agricultural products and emergency humanitarian aid. According to some analysts, the impact of these sanctions on the war torn country will be limited. The Sudanese Central Central bank, for example, claims that there are no direct US Exports to Sudan.

[John C. Dvorak]

The second aspect of the sanctions is.

[Adam Curry]

The impact on the US Administration's credit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lines and what it pays to Sudan. Currently, the US Administration doesn't pay anything.

[Adam Curry]

To Sudan, whether it's the organizations or the institutions.

[CNN Reporter]

Last May, the US State Department accused the authorities of using chemical weapons against the paramilitary Rapid support forces in 2024. The Sudanese government, led by General Al Burhan, denies these accusations and denounces political blackmail. Since April 2023, a bloody war has pitted the general against the paramilitary forces led by Mohammed Hamdan Dagalo, causing the deaths of thousands of people and the displacement of 15 million others. US sanctions have also been handed out in the past against the RSF leader whose paramilitary troops have been accused of committing genocide.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. NATO versus Bricks. It's on. I wonder what they're going to do with Egypt. You know, Egypt jumped into that bricks thing. That's going to, that's going to be a problem for Egypt.

[Adam Curry]

Should be eventually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I just find the whole thing that, you know, the empire is kicking some ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, very much.

[Adam Curry]

You know, there was a, there was an interesting analysis on one of these, the public stations, which was about that Rwanda DRC deal that Trump had two guys in the office. They signed off on it even though in cnn, I don't know, I don't think it was real.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Biden's administration was offered the possibility of doing this and they just said, nah, we don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because they're run by China.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they were run by China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't the Bidens have some pretty deep ties to China, it looks like.

[Adam Curry]

It looks more and more like China was running the country while Biden was in office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe five minute warning. John, last clip for you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's see. I've got a couple of clips, but I'll look for a good one here. How about this? There's something I can complain about. This is the Wisconsin Abortion and I call it Wisconsin Abortion Idiots. NPR clip I have a comment.

[CNN Reporter]

Abortion remains legal in Wisconsin after the state Supreme Court released a decision today. Sarah Lear from Wisconsin Public Radio reports. After the overturn of Roe v. Wade in 2022 providers across Wisconsin stopped providing abortions. They were worried about being Prosecuted under a 19th century State law which bans all abortions unless they're done to save a pregnant woman's life. That prompted Wisconsin's Democratic attorney general to sue to try and block enforcement of that law. In late 2023, a county judge ruled the law in question does not actually ban abortions, prompting clinics in the state to once again offer the procedure. Now, the state's highest court has cemented the effects of that lower court decision. Justices said the pre Civil War law could not remain in effect because it was superseded by abortion laws passed later.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, John C. Dvorak, your commentary.

[Adam Curry]

This is a Democrats. What was the fuss about? They all they had to do was just go to the legislature and say, hey, let's just pass a quick law to ban that old 1840 law and would just have abortions that, you know, modeled after whatever. California, for example. They could have done a lot of things, but no, they go to all these crazy lawsuits one way or the other. They have, it's a Democrat run state. What is the problem? They can't get off their asses to do a simple legislative move.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing is stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I have no idea what's going on. I had the clip too, but I, I don't know. You'd think that it would be, well, they're doing odd things there maybe.

[Adam Curry]

No, they wanted to make a big fuss. They wanted to bring it to the fore. Oh, this whole laws, oh, it's all fat. This is Trump's fault. This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Final clip for me. I thought this was a interesting move from UPENN this morning.

[Adam Curry]

The University of Pennsylvania reversing course, saying it will now ban transgender athletes and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Strip trans swimmer Leah Thomas of her school swimming titles. The school reaching a deal with the.

[Adam Curry]

Trump administration saying it will comply with Title 9 as interpreted by the Department.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Education and saying it will restore the records and titles of female athletes who lost to Thomas and send apology letters to them. Thomas pulling away.

[Adam Curry]

Leah Thomas made history in 2022, becoming the first openly transgender athlete to win an NCAA Division 1 title. The win sparked fierce debate over fairness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including from some of Thomas's own teammates.

[Adam Curry]

I knew there would be scrutiny against.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me if I competed.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a girl. I was prepared for that. The Trump administration earlier this year suspended.

[John C. Dvorak]

$175 million in federal funds from Penn, claiming the University of Pennsylvania repeatedly violated civil rights laws by allowing men to compete in women's sports.

[Adam Curry]

Education secretary Linda McMahon calling Penn's new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agreement a major victory for women and girls nationwide.

[Adam Curry]

No comment yet from the NCAA or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lia Thomas, but in a 2022 interview, she defended her decision to compete.

[Adam Curry]

Trans people don't transition for athletics. We just want to be able to live Our lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

The NCAA still recognizes her championship win, but Penn has removed her swimming records from its website. I mean, wow. That's more.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand why they don't think I'm a girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think happened there? How did that all of a sudden change at UPenn? I mean, what must have happened?

[Adam Curry]

Somebody looked at the books. They don't have the endowment Harvard has and they figured they couldn't wait it out. And they knew this. No. Why would. It's the simplest thing to do. You crazy. You know what? Are you going to fight this like the way Harvard's doing? All the way. It's going to cost you a lot of money. It's an embarrassing. And they were the. They were the lead operation with this Leah Thomas person. You know, swim big dude. Huge. It's like I don't understand it. And so it's. It's borderline ludicrous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or maybe a picture showed up.

[Adam Curry]

What's that in your mouth? Yeah, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I spoiled by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

I imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, that's right. Remember, we have those fabulous AI end of show mixes on the way, of course, a non AI a human tip of the day from our very own John C. Dvorak. And we have some meetups and we have some PhDs. Lots of birthdays today for some reason. And one nighting. And of course we want to thank everybody who supported the show. $50 and above. John Cedivore. I go.

[Adam Curry]

Clip two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip two.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Paul Levy in Grinnell, Iowa. 100 bucks. And Baron Latican. There he is in Houston, Texas. 100. John Robin. A hundred. A lot of hundreds today. Lucas Zua in Denmark, I guess. Or is that Deutschland? That's Deutschland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Deutschland.

[CNN Reporter]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Deutschland. 100. He's in Bayerbrunn, sir. F a N beck in Vista, California. 100. Another donation from Lucas for a hundred. It's interesting. That could be a duplicate. Maybe not hard to say, but there he is. Kevin McLaughlin comes in at 8,008. By the way, he is the Archduke of Luna. Lover of American. Lover of melons. No, he has a DSA Laos Deo, which translates to Praise be to God inscribed on top of the ing Washington Monument facing east toward the rising sun. Happy Independence Day, he says. Yay. Yay, sir. F he donates every single show.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does indeed, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Fast Eddie in Alameda, California. Hey, Fast Eddie. 8008. Rick, what is Moimon? Moimon. Moimon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got this you got this.

[Adam Curry]

And he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in Ryzwik R. Close.

[Adam Curry]

Ricevike. Ricevike, which is the rising Viking in Holland. 8008. This is another boob donation. We got a lot of boob donations.

[John C. Dvorak]

His birthday. Oh, it was on July 2nd. Second, yes. Okay. You're on the list.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin Knudson, 80. And this is for Jill, who turns 80 now. They wrote a note in 69, not 89, on a piece of paper.

[John C. Dvorak]

69.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of hard to ignore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it's from the desk of John and Adam. This check and note will arrive post agility birthday. And he wants a shout out for his. She's going to be 69 years young.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Remember, guys, always marry up. I sure did. That's a compliment to his wife, J. Doucet in Stevensville, Canada. NL is. I don't know where it is. One of the places. Hello, guys. He writes Newfoundland. That's what NL is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Then he came with 78. 77.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeffrey, there's something interesting. He says here. I always punch people in the mouth and have my wife Katya listening, but she can never remember the name of the show and says, who are those guys that are always fighting? That will be us. And you know what it is? It's because people are not used to hearing disagreements, Disagreement anymore.

[Adam Curry]

No. They've been watching K part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All they hear is disagreement.

[Adam Curry]

You're right. Oh, no. You're righter than I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's the same on podcasts. You know, all these podcasters go on each other's podcasts. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Megan.

[Adam Curry]

James. Ceci. Oh, actually, sorry. Jeffrey McNeil in Somerville, South Carolina. 78. 77. James Sessi. S e s e. 97,696. He says, I enjoy this product.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. That voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

We enjoy making it for you.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Rita. There she is back. 7674. Happy House. Derek Allison in Rock Springs, Wyoming. 76. 17. Earl Hugger of Kitties in Zaandam, Holland. 7425. Hug more kitties. He writes. Christopher Hodges in Union, Mississippi. 7425. Donald Mills, Shasta Lake, California. 7425. A Happy Fourth. The Dame Dana Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada. She comes in quite a bit. 7227. Lisa Ficione. Ficione. Falcone. Falcone Falcon, I think, in Williams Lake, B.C. 50. Sorry. 6580. She's happy that we shrink her Amygdala Sir Darius Unity in Rocky Mount, N.C. 6331. I don't know what he says there.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says he sent me a long boots on the ground. That's correct and I appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good. Okay. Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona. 6006. Sir Dancing Mike. There he is dancing away in Maryville, Tennessee. 5555 is a birthday donation to the smoking hot wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Dame Denise.

[Adam Curry]

Dame. Yeah, Denise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Murrayville, Murrayville.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymous. Thousand Oaks, California. 5555. Brian Furley, 5510. Double nickels on the dime. Diana Grilley Camden in Junctions Junction, Junction City, Ohio. 54. A lot of names today. John Bassano in Madison, Alabama. 5272. This will make up for what's going to happen on Sunday where no one's going to be listening or donating.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

In barn. Yeah, Holland. I can't pronounce her first name or his. Is that a him or her? I Heather GROSS In Statesville, N.C. 5110. And now we got the 50s and we had a good, good group today. Nathan Noel in Nederland, Texas. Joshua Johnson in Omaha, Terrence Clark in Jacksonville Beach. Jordan Tierney in Oral, South Dakota. Scott McCarty in The Lodi. Tony Lang in Castle Pines, Colorado. Matt Frazee in St. John's, Florida. Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan. Foster Birch in New York City. Arthur Schultz in Hickory Valley, Tennessee. Rebecca Hogue in Memphis, Tennessee. James Sharametta. James Sharametta in Napanok, New York. Wesley Childs in Macon, Georgia with a.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, why don't you the phone and answer that and I will finish off these last few 50s for you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, please. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wesley chiles in Macon, Georgia and his wife Lauren is turning 37 on the 6th of July. The only thing she asked for was a birthday shout out from the best podcast in the universe. Of course. Happy to do that, Wes. Arthur S. In Hickory Valley, Tennessee. Please deduce me you've been de douched. He's been listening since Daily Source Code days. In the morning, throw in your special. Yeah, okay. Very much. Leslie Walker Rosenberg, Oregon. Walker Phillips, San Rafael, California. Eichi Kitagawa, San Francisco, California. Amanda Bates in Bennington, Vermont. And finally, rounding out our $50 and above supporters for episode 1778 is Baroness Knight in Edmonds, Washington. Thank you all so much. We appreciate you appreciate the value you sent back for the value received. Anybody can do this by going to noagendadonations.com you can send this any amount. It does not matter. Whatever you think the value is, just send it back to us. That's how Value for value works. It's very, very simple and elegant. And of course, we have the sustaining donations. Any amount, any frequency. Go to noagendadonations.com here's the list. Kevin Knudsen, Happy birthday to Jill Jaunty, belated birth edited she turned 69 on June 29. Eric Happy birthday to his mom, Karen Bradley, turned 37, turned 37 on July 1. Alexandria Miller. Happy birthday to her smoking hot husband, Ryan Miller, 41. Yes, today actually on the third. Rick Moimang celebrated yesterday. Erica Kuchig Kuig Kuchig. Her son Hogan. Happy birthday, turned nine. Well, tomorrow and kind of on the fifth, he's the Chinese baby boy, Dan Peruso. His smokin hot wife, Bailey Davies celebrates tomorrow. Sir Dancing Mike wishes his smokin hot wife, Dame Denise, A very happy 55th tomorrow. No, on the 5th. I'm sorry. And Bailey is on the 5th as well. Wesley Childs, his wife Lauren from Macon, Georgia. Happy birthday. On the 6th, she turns 37 and surprise night of astonishment says happy birthday to Dame ma Sue, turned 16 on July 8th. Happy birthday to all of these birthday boys and girls from the best podcast in the universe. Russell Hinton receives a PhD in media deconstruction thanks to his support of the show. He was our top executive producer. And you can go to noagendarings.com and give us the name you want on your PhD and the address to send it to. We'll be happy to do that. Russell. Congratulations with your certificate with your Ph.D. and it's a, it's a real one from us. And then we have one night to celebrate that will be the same Russell Hinton. So if you can grab your blade, John, just.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got it right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Russell PhD. Mr. Russell, step right up. Thanks to your support of the no Agenda show and the amount of $1,000 or more, I'm very proud to pronounce the KB as Sir Russell Hinton for you. We've got hookers and blow Red boys and chardonnay. We've got tequila and tequila Diet soda and video games Fish pie and Felicia Harlots and haldol Redheads and rice. We've got beer and blunts Brazilian hotties and kashasha Cowgirls and coffee varnish coffin varnish Rubin S women and rose Geishas and sake Vodka and vanilla Bong hits and bourbon Sparkling cider and escort Ginger and gerbils, Breast milk and pablum and as always, at the round table for all of our no agenda knights and names, we have Mutton and Meadow. While you're chomping on that, along with the rest of our knights and dames here at the no agenda roundtable, head over to noagendarings.com that's where you'll see the very handsome knight and dame rings. These are signet rings. So when you receive this and please give us a ring size as a ring sizing guide on the website and an address to send it to, you'll get a couple of sticks of wax with that. It can be used to seal your very important correspondence. As it is a signet ring and as always, it comes with a certificate of authenticity. And hold on. I forgot my meetups jingle. Oh boy, I am unprepared for some reason. Oh, that's because of the. That's because of your phone call. That's what happened.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, by the way, I was a Chinese guy. Oh, what did the Chinese In Chinese.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he say?

[Adam Curry]

I see. Said something. I'm not going to do a Chinese, but I cussed him out in Chinese. I do have a few choice words.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh really? You care to share your Chinese?

[Adam Curry]

No, they'd be go over the air now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

No agenda meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah baby. It's always like a party at the no agenda meetups. I think we have another one coming up in Fredericksburg, but not until October. But I'm very excited about that. It just got locked in yesterday. There is a meetup taking place today at the northern wake FEMA region number four, Potluck and whiskey that kicks off in just about about half hour from now. Six o' clock eastern. Hoppy endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. And tomorrow Fourth of July is July 4th in Victoria. Just beer in the sun, 5:30. That's at the Lighthouse brewery in Victoria, British Columbia. Sir Rogue of the taverns and his dog Rogue are organizing that coming up in the month of July. Santa Barbara, California on the 10th. The last dent. The last Denver city park meetup in Denver on the 12th. Zurich, Switzerland on the 12th, the 13th. Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th of Albany, California. John will be there on the 19th. And July 26th, Anaheim, California no doubt that's Leo Bravo probably now on number 65. I think no agenda meetups are where you meet the first responders in your life. Connection is protection. You need to go to at least one of these. I guarantee you you'll keep coming back for more. Go to no agendameetups.com to find out where there is one being organized near you. If you can't find one near you, well, how about this? Start one yourself. It's easy. No agendameetups.com. sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be where you won't be triggered or hell's lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. With John's tip of the day on the way. We always like to choose some end of show isos at this particular moment in the show. I have a couple here. Do you have any ISOs for today?

[Adam Curry]

A couple, but why don't you play yours?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. May the fourth be with you. May the fourth be with you. Huh? Okay, my next one.

[Adam Curry]

Come on, man, you know you love it. Uh huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uh huh. Here's another one.

[Adam Curry]

That's infowar journalism right there. Are you using AI now?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not AI. No, that's not AI. And this one.

[CNN Reporter]

Oh, I think I need a cigarette after all that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah. Come on, man. That's kind of long. That's good. It's three seconds, same as everything else.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so I've always wanted to use sound effects, so I got some stuff from npr. Here's the laughs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, I think you can do better. Better than that.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I didn't. Well, I went to my go to. And here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oops, sorry. Wow. Why don't these guys win all the podcasting awards? Because we don't pay the entry fee, that's why. And now it is time once again for John Cena Borax tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JC&J and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. So there's a. I wanted to do this. I should have done this tip a long time ago. And I discovered this product when I went to Peru once. And you can get them from Amazon. They're made in Ecuador. They're handmade in Ecuador and Peru and maybe some other South American countries. These are alpaca blankets. Handmade alpaca blankets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Can't you just get those from John John Doer's wife?

[Adam Curry]

You wouldn't get them. They wouldn't be as good. Oh, okay, so, so they're, they're, they're not expensive considering they're made out of alpaca wool. They can be light or heavy. They are beautiful. And I would just advise one thing. Don't get any of them that have a lot of black color.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, why is that?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I bought A sweater in the Andes. You know, when I was a kid, I bought a sweater in the Andes. It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should just start off every conversation. You know when I bought a sweater in the Andes on my way to Doha. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so it was like what they use for black dye is, does. Is not compatible with Western civilization. Let's put it that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

So get the colors. The colors are fine. But these blankets are available. They have them on Amazon. There's a couple companies that make them. Make sure they're handmade. El Paso alpaca blanket. It's the greatest. And they also, you can use them as a spread, a bed spread. They're dynamite. Dynamite. They're super warm. They're just a fabulous product and I'm gonna now push it. Promote the alpaca blanket.

[John C. Dvorak]

And where do we get the alpaca blankets?

[Adam Curry]

You can get them. You can just. Well, you can go to Amazon and find some there and they have the brands there. You can also look up the brands. You can buy them directly from a various sources. You can put alpaca blanket, Peru, alpaca pack, a blanket, Ecuador. And you'll find some online sites that sell them. They're all over the place. They're actually very available.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be very nice if you promoted an American product once in a while. I mean, it's always junk from China. It's always rugs from.

[Adam Curry]

All the cleaning products have been American.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Oh, yeah, of course. Chemicals. We're your guy.

[Adam Curry]

We're good with the chemical.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're good with the chemical. We are a chemical country. That's right. There it is. Everybody go to tipoftheday.net for John C. Duborg. Tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that concludes our broadcast day once again where we deconstruct the media for you. We spin you down, we let you know what's really going on in the world and the things that we're not, not reported of what's going on in the world and the things that are just confusing. That's why we're here. Now if you want to stick around, we do have random thoughts coming up next on the no Agenda stream. If you're at the Troll Room, Trollroom IO, just keep listening. Or if you've got one of those fancy, swanky, free, modern podcast apps that have live notifications, live streams and 90 second update times when a podcast is published. Just keep listening and you'll find it all. End of show mixes brought to you by Silicon Valley's AI Expertly prompted by Bonald Crabtree and Daniel Brown. Hold on to your hats, everybody. It's the future coming up next. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country, right here in picturesque Fredericksburg, where we always have a dynamite Fourth of July parade. So I'll see you there if you're in the Hill Country. If not, until Sunday. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where everyone wishes you a happy Independence Day Fourth of July, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember us atnoen Agenda donations.com until Sunday. Adios mo fos, hooey, hooey and such. Is it the E replacement or the end of creativity? From rooftops to basements, speakers blare his negativity couldn't be his age the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Ain'T even a boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Roughly the same age as that sexy Laura Loomer. Wake up already. Our world is fake and petty Adam Curry hates the AI machines Resist what's inevitable, you'll never stay credible he hates AI and the mainframe machine Spot the.

[CNN Reporter]

Spook on the jukebox Spot the ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the troll room so go learn Curry or you'll be a chicken curry. I mean, I'm just gonna allow AI songs for the end of show mix now. Because you're right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Okay. I'm not gonna criticize you for this. You can, because that's not really a criticism. You're. You cave, but you cave to modernity.

[John C. Dvorak]

From radio waves in Amsterdam to FTV's.

[Adam Curry]

Bright Lights, he made his stand. But Adam Curry saw a future wild.

[John C. Dvorak]

And free A world where anyone could.

[Adam Curry]

Speak just like he he teamed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

With watercolor vision in hand Dreamed of.

[Adam Curry]

A broadcast not tied to any brand.

[John C. Dvorak]

With an Apple script, spark and a.

[Adam Curry]

Rebel'S heart he built a new medium.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gave the world a fresh start he's.

[Adam Curry]

The godfather, the voice who led the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way Turned dreams into downloads made history that day from daily source code to.

[Adam Curry]

No agendas call Adam Curry lit the fuse not podcast, reach us song no network needed, no gatekeepers here Just an RSS feed and a voice in your ear he opened the door so creators could play now millions of stories are just a click away it's freedom of speech, It's a digital stage, a revolution.

[John C. Dvorak]

In me the turning of an age.

[Adam Curry]

From humble beginnings to a worldwide embrace.

[John C. Dvorak]

The potfather's vision put much outcasts in their place.

[CNN Reporter]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Win.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Org na wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't these guys win all the podcasting awards.