1779 - "Buffy Gorilla"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show, Episode 1779 – "Buffy Gorilla"

Date Released: July 6, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Description: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak

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1. Opening Remarks and YouTube Concerns (00:00 – 02:07)

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak kick off the episode by lamenting the increasing annoyance with YouTube's pervasive advertising. Adam mentions his subscription to an ad-free version to streamline his work for the show.

Adam Curry (00:43): "Have you noticed how bad YouTube has become?"

2. Devastating Texas Floods and Public Response (02:07 – 14:01)

The hosts delve into the severe flooding in Kerrville, Texas, highlighting the historical context of floods in the region. They express frustration over the public's tendency to gravitate towards conspiracy theories instead of relying on historical data and logical reasoning.

John C. Dvorak (03:49): "Blue rain cropped up again."

Adam emphasizes the availability of historical data and modern technology that should aid in disaster response, lamenting society's overreliance on social media for information.

3. Conspiracy Theories: Illegal Immigrants and "Plane Murderers" (14:01 – 18:55)

Adam and John discuss a controversial conspiracy theory suggesting that the government is deporting illegal immigrants by forcibly ejecting them from airplanes into the ocean. They express skepticism about the plausibility of this operation, citing logistical issues and the lack of credible evidence.

Nico Syme (17:56): "They're throwing deportees out of the planes and into the ocean."

Adam Curry (19:41): "This is insane."

4. Black Sabbath Farewell and Personal Anecdotes (25:00 – 41:10)

The conversation shifts to a farewell event for the iconic band Black Sabbath. Adam shares a humorous and personal anecdote about Ozzy Osbourne's mishap onboard a plane, which led to the creation of the Ozzy-themed reality show.

Adam Curry (62:07): "Ozzy ended up... having to pee his pants right there in the aisle."

5. Elon Musk's America Party and Political Commentary (46:29 – 52:40)

Elon Musk's announcement of a new political party, the "America Party," sparks a discussion on its potential impact on the US political landscape. The hosts speculate whether this move is a strategic effort to dilute the Democratic Party's influence ahead of the midterm elections.

Nico Syme (46:44): "Elon Musk has announced the formation of a new political party."

Adam Curry (50:22): "It feels like this is still some kind of massive Setup."

6. Media Criticism: NPR, PBS, and No Agenda Counterpoints (72:00 – 105:05)

Adam and John critique mainstream media outlets like NPR and PBS for their perceived bias and propagandistic language. They highlight instances where media terminology subtly undermines the credibility of their reporting, reinforcing their stance against mainstream narratives.

John C. Dvorak (72:32): "This is a propagandistic word in this sense. If you look it up, it implies bullshit."

7. Meetups and Community Engagement (140:00 – 197:59)

The hosts discuss their community meetups, acknowledging donors with humorous titles and sharing stories from various events. They emphasize the importance of community support and engagement, despite challenges like low donations and social media backlash.

Adam Curry (177:00): "Congratulations. Happy fourth of July, everybody."

8. Tips of the Day: Liquid Smoke Recommendation (191:38 – 193:08)

John provides a culinary tip recommending the use of liquid smoke as a seasoning to enhance the flavor of dishes like spaghetti sauce and pulled pork.

John C. Dvorak (192:34): "The brand is Collin liquid smoke... Use it in pizza sauce in particular."

9. PFAS Chemicals and Minnesota's New Law (147:00 – 155:56)

Adam and John discuss Minnesota's groundbreaking legislation targeting PFAS, harmful "forever chemicals." They critique the media's portrayal of the issue, emphasizing the dire health implications and the role of personal testimonies in driving legislative change.

Nico Syme (152:28): "2022 was the year my cancer became unstoppable."

John C. Dvorak (155:04): "Minnesota's new law will reduce, then eliminate the manufacture and sale of non-essential PFAS products by 2032."

10. Technology News: Microsoft Layoffs and AI Lawsuit Dismissals (163:56 – 178:58)

The hosts cover significant tech news, including Microsoft's massive layoffs affecting thousands of employees and the dismissal of a high-profile copyright lawsuit against Meta for using authors' works to train its AI models. They express skepticism about the lawsuit's merits and the challenges of holding tech giants accountable.

Nico Syme (167:39): "A judge has dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by 13 authors against Meta over AI training."

John C. Dvorak (168:28): "This is a non-starter, says the judge."

11. International Issues: NATO, BRICS, and European Politics (105:05 – 152:10)

Adam and John analyze global political dynamics, focusing on NATO's renewed focus under President Trump and the diminishing influence of BRICS. They discuss European leaders' struggles, such as Hungary's opposition to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and the internal challenges within the European Commission.

Adam Curry (172:37): "Without Trump, that would not have happened."

John C. Dvorak (175:22): "We have never had this problem with India before."

12. Sports Betting and Integrity Issues (168:01 – 173:38)

The conversation shifts to the integrity of sports betting, highlighting recent cases of unusual betting behavior leading to suspensions and investigations in Major League Baseball and the NBA. The hosts criticize prop betting as a corrupt practice undermining trust in sports.

John C. Dvorak (172:37): "Prop betting is a scam. It has corruption written all over it."

13. Closing Remarks and Promotions (179:00 – 197:59)

In the closing segment, Adam and John acknowledge their donors with creative titles and humorously discuss the challenges of maintaining show segments amidst technological disruptions like AI-generated content. They encourage listeners to support the show through various donation methods.

Adam Curry (184:50): "Go to no agenda donations dot com you can donate any amount. That's how it works with value for value."

John C. Dvorak (179:21): "We don't have one today, but we'll give it a shot."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Adam Curry (00:43): "Have you noticed how bad YouTube has become?"
• John C. Dvorak (03:49): "Blue rain cropped up again."
• Nico Syme (17:56): "They're throwing deportees out of the planes and into the ocean."
• Adam Curry (19:41): "This is insane."
• John C. Dvorak (72:32): "This is a propagandistic word in this sense. If you look it up, it implies bullshit."
• John C. Dvorak (155:04): "Minnesota's new law will reduce, then eliminate the manufacture and sale of non-essential PFAS products by 2032."
• Adam Curry (172:37): "Without Trump, that would not have happened."
• John C. Dvorak (175:22): "We have never had this problem with India before."

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Conclusion

Episode 1779 of the No Agenda Show, titled "Buffy Gorilla," offers a blend of media criticism, political commentary, personal anecdotes, and community engagement. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak emphasize skepticism towards mainstream narratives, highlighting issues like environmental disasters, immigration policies, and technological advancements. The hosts maintain their characteristic humor and critical stance, encouraging listeners to support their independent journalism through value-for-value donations.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

June Bugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

June Bugs.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, July 6, 2025. This is your award winning Gimble Nation Media Assassination Episode 1779. This is no Agenda debunking bullcrap and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're burning off the fat with pink salt and lemons, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

It's Crackpot and Buz. Have you been watching TikTok again? Is that where that comes from? YouTube. Oh, have you noticed how bad YouTube has become?

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean with the ads every five seconds?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I, honestly, I pay to not receive the ads, otherwise it would take me three days longer to clip stuff for the show. So I, I, I, I don't, I don't want the ad. So that's another part of the public service we provide.

[John C. Dvorak]

You miss out on the p. Lemon juice and vinegar burns, it doesn't cost as much as Ozempic, and some poor woman in Texas is getting so skinny she has to eat burgers and Krispy Kreme to get their weight back.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no. Oh, so. So it's an ad. Oh, interesting. No, I did not know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All you have to do is watch the video. You're missing this. Just click here and watch the video. You know, it's only three seconds. The video in five seconds and then the video never ends. It's like, I don't know what the point is today. Testing the public. Oh, is this by making you watch these videos that never end.

[Adam Curry]

It's like the Stansberry Institute videos.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's worse.

[Adam Curry]

Those are my favorite. Where you're watching, you're watching and you're watching and they're like, hey, there's no timeline. I can't fast forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no timeline. You can't speed it up, you can't slow it down.

[Adam Curry]

I'm watching, I'm watching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, no, this is, they never tell you anything. Never get to the punchline ever. No, it's a test. It's some sort of test. It's an op.

[Adam Curry]

I think you're right. It is some kind of an op. Well, it's been kind of crappy around here. We did not have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, you're in the area where that horrible. That horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we did not have a great fourth of July. Was just completely rained out, obviously. And you know, no parades, like everything just, it was a very, it was very, very Very humid, very wet. And so pretty much everything was canceled. And then of course, we awoke on the fifth to, To. To the tragedy that happened in, In Kerrville. And you know, besides the obvious, you know, how can we help? What can we do? Which was not much. In fact, they started turning people away pretty quickly because they have. They have so many people helping, so many volunteers, and now people are just getting in the way. And I'm just baffled. I'm baffled at humanity in general because right away, right away, you know, you're trying to look around, see. Okay, let's get some information here. It was the fourth of July weekend, so obviously the news is they had to call everybody, like, oh, there's something going on. So you go to social media and the nut jobs, the retards. It's unbelievable. It's climate change, it's chemtrails, it's 5G towers, it's cloud seeding. Blue rain cropped up again.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Blue rain.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the blue was a hoax. Like, it's raining blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a hoax.

[Adam Curry]

It's blue. It's raining blue in Texas. It was just unbelievable. And around here in our circles, there are people who you cannot convince them otherwise. Listen, I've been watching Ariana Masters for a long time. I trust her. She knows what she's talking about. This was clearly done by the government to punish Texas for passing the bill. I mean, I've heard everything in the past 48 hours. Everything you can imagine, except the obvious. Here's this star, Ariana Masters, who has an unbelievable format.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, you gotta slow down.

[Adam Curry]

This woman is just someone who has like a substack.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know who this is. I've never heard of her.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's, you know, it's like, it's. It's a version of. What's that guy Mimi watches? The storm guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, right, the storm guy. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry it had come to mind, but I. Yeah, he loves that guy.

[Adam Curry]

So the storm guy, you know where you got a big weather raider.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was a tip of the day guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. So only he's, you know, he's actually looking at a radar and showing you what's going on. There are hundreds of people on YouTube and TikTok and Instagram who show radar screens and they interpret what they're saying. I have a little sample so you can know. And there are people who, it's. It's a bit like monkey works, you know, who's following the. The airplanes, like, oh, they're taking Hillary Clinton to Guantanamo Bay. There you go. You remember that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Max Velocity is the guy now. Max Velocity. I like him. You know, he's actually doing something. He's okay. But this. Listen.

[Nico Syme]

Oh, my gosh, guys, I'm in the middle of filming my daily radar show. I do this every single. The anomalies, I want to share them with you. This is what's been going on over Texas for the last day over 24 hours. This looks like actual electricity shooting everywhere. And yes, there will be some people who come on here who are like, oh, you need to learn how to read radar. Listen, I've been watching radar every single day. I'm telling you, this is super weird. There is not rain here. But I will tell you, the vast majority of these anomaly storms that have been coming out have been forming right here. What's going on? I want to know who lives in this area and have you been feeling off? Have you been dizzy, lightheaded? Do you know people who have gone to the ER for abnormal symptoms that were otherwise healthy? Do you know anyone with severe migraines right now? There is something going on here. Keep an eye out for Texas. Every place that I've covered, every single day, Texas has been the one state that has never gotten a bone. But what's interesting is the theory is that one of the many things that these towers can support, supposedly do is literally heat up the atmosphere because it's microwave radiation. So if you heat up the atmosphere, you're creating essentially a high pressure zone steering low pressure systems. Notice how the high pressure zone is right here. Yeah. Coincidence?

[Adam Curry]

I think not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No. And. And she goes on for hours like that. And then there's, you know, all kinds of randos on Instagram and tick tock like this. I won't play the whole thing. This. Dude, the minute you'll hear. The minute I cut. The minute I stop watching, after I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show you what I have to show you, there'll be absolutely no doubt.

[Nico Syme]

No doubt of what?

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. Exactly that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, we'll come right.

[Nico Syme]

Back to this mammoth.

[Adam Curry]

Were you aware that basically a hurricane formed over Texas and it sat still.

[Nico Syme]

Just sat there for like 10 to.

[John C. Dvorak]

18 hours without moving? Where have we ever seen that kind.

[Adam Curry]

Of stuff happen before? It reminds me an awful lot of North Carolina.

[Nico Syme]

I wonder how things like that can just happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

I showed you earlier. Whole houses being taken away by the water.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's right. That's where I stopped. Like this guy just said, Tooken away. Like, wow. Okay. So the problem is people are so. Especially here. I mean, this is just south of us. We have friends that live in comfort, friends that live in Kerrville, all the surrounding areas, People who know people who had kids in the camp, the camp. Just horrific, horrific, heartbreaking stories. Heartbreaking stories. And people are so traumatized. They're just looking for anything and anything but logic. I mean, it's really. It is so sad to me. We all have supercomputers in our pockets. We can communicate 24. 7 in real time. By the way, I have a commercial app. It's not from N o. A a A commercial app that was giving me warnings, you know, for 48 hours. Flash flood. Flash flood possible. My car, even Ortina's car. Flash flood. Be careful. Nobody looks at history. No one learns history anymore. People have lost their ability to stand outside and feel what' happening. It was so obvious that if you are in a floodplain, which is what all of this area is now, we're 1400ft elevation. So we're not going to get.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're a little higher than.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're good. We're good here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you want to be up.

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, in the old days, people would go outside and go, hey, this is not good. This could be. This could be a bad situation. You know, we should probably get to higher ground. I can just see Paul Ingalls doing it on Little House on the Prairie. I mean, we. We are so connected. We're ignoring nature. I've only been here for four years, but even I know about the devastating floods of past years. The Guadalupe river has flooded many, many times. Actually have the list here. It's unbelievable that not everything is well documented, but we have 1838-1848-1868-1872, 1906, 1913, 177 people died in that one. 1920, 1932, 35 inches of rain. 1936-1952-1972-1973. All, by the way, in. In the month of July, August 1978, 1987. This is. This is not all that long ago for me. That was a. That was. You know, the water went up to 31 and a half feet. Feet and. And killed a whole bunch of campers who were in a. You know, their bus got swept away. 1989-1991-1995-1997, 1998-2015-1820-2021, 2025. It happens all the time. But now all of a sudden, it's the government who was out to get us. No, we're retarded. We have all of this communication and all we're doing is sitting on TikTok and Instagram going, oh, look at the weather. It's raining. Even John Cornyn is a moron. And this was a hundred year flood event in an area that had been known to flood, but nothing like this, where the flood waters rose 26ft in about 45 minutes. It's not a hundred year flood event. We're going back to 1987. Here's an actual overview where they had some video and some sensible commentary from Cave View. The Texas Hill country is famed for its breathtaking scenery, with rivers winding through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steep hills and rugged valleys.

[Adam Curry]

But beneath that beauty lies danger. This region is among the most flash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flood prone areas in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

One of the most devastating floods occurred in July 1978 when Tropical Storm Amelia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made landfall in Corpus Christi and and moved inland. The weakened system stalled over the headwaters of the Medina and Guadalupe rivers, unleashing.

[Adam Curry]

Torrential rain across the Hill Country. Eight people drowned near Center Point and 25 more lost their lives in Kerr, Kendall and Bandera counties. Then Governor Dolph Briscoe flew to Comfort to assess the damage firsthand until the recent July 4th floods.

[John C. Dvorak]

The deadliest weather event in the Guadalupe.

[Adam Curry]

River's history came in July 1987.

[John C. Dvorak]

As much as 15 inches of rain fell west of Hunt in the river's upper basin.

[Adam Curry]

A group from a Baptist church in.

[John C. Dvorak]

North Texas attempted to evacuate their youth camp as buses and vans tried to.

[Adam Curry]

Cross a low water crossing. A wall of water surged in from.

[John C. Dvorak]

The west, quickly engulfing the vehicles.

[Adam Curry]

Helicopter crews managed to rescue some campers and staff clinging to trees, but 10 teenagers died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flooding struck again in early July 2002, when Kerrville recorded 19 inches of rain, making it the city's wettest month since August 1978.

[Adam Curry]

Between Kerrville, Center Point and Comfort, an astonishing 40 to 50 inches of rain were reported.

[John C. Dvorak]

Texas leads the nation in flood related.

[Adam Curry]

Deaths by a significant margin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Between 1959 and 2019, at least 1,069 people died in floods across the state.

[Adam Curry]

A large share of those fatalities occurred in the Hill Country, a region grimly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nicknamed the Flash Flood Alley for good reason.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. So if people just knew history and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thought for two seconds, not even really history, it's almost current events.

[Adam Curry]

I know that's what's so sad about it. And you could just, you know, there was a jet stream that was at like 5,000ft. I mean, it's all being a pilot. I've Studied a lot of weather and you learn to kind of look at the sky and see what's going on. And you read some reports, you know, we have the terminal area forecasts and the, and the metars and all these different reports and you're like, oh, okay, this is obvious. Then you look at. I just. I have. What is the app I have it's. I pay for it because I like, I like their radar, which they obviously are paying for my radar. And you can see it. And this, this came from the kind of north, northeast. It was moving very, very slowly. So it was a very atypical storm, but you could see it and it was obvious. And if you're in Kerr county and comfort, you know, Kerrville and Comfort, then you know, this is dangerous. But no, people are TikTok and Instagramming away. I'm not going to say I want to blame it on parents or anything like that, but we, I think we had more. I mean, you're like that, of course, you're 100 years old. You know, this is where people need to respect boomers because sometimes we know stuff now. We remember things. History. Someone in the Toronto just posted history started yesterday. These days people are over socialized, under educated.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing is not these days, we keep forgetting that little aspect of it. This is not a new phenomenon for history.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's not. But we, but we.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, the old saying that if, you know, doomed to repeat it sort of thing. The old saying is an old saying because it's always been this way. People just don't, you know, they're looking for some quick explanation. Like the current explanation is climate change.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or if you're a conspiracy type, the government's out to get Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. And it's because Trump defunded the noaa. You know, if we had those satellites, you know, it would be okay. But I think the frustration for me is we have all the information, the historical information we have, the data is readily available in many different forms and apps right there in your hand. And we have not improved and you're.

[John C. Dvorak]

In a flood zone.

[Adam Curry]

We haven't improved. We're still just retarded. It's unbelievable. And by the way, it's not like I sat there thinking, oh, there might be campers in Kerr County. I wasn't thinking that, but I knew that this was bad. I mean, I could see the storm just sitting there and we had a lot of water around the house, but it's basically rolling off because we're at altitude so that's the sad part is we have all the capabilities and we just sit there and we're tiktoking and Instagramming and we're tweeting and posting and whining on the blue cry. And then when something bad happens, happens, then it's harp. By the way, I used to be a big harp guy, but this was, this was clear what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if this could. Been going on for a hundred years routinely, not even generational, it's like every few years.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the rundown you have, which I think is the best I've heard, to be honest, about anywhere. The one you just gave.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It just makes it ridiculous.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Anyways.

[John C. Dvorak]

And even more tragic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yes, super tragic. And it is, I mean everybody knows someone who lost somebody or lost their home or lost, you know, just, it's, it's devastating. And there we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a nice way to start the show. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Congratulations. Happy fourth of July, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would, it brings me to a super cut clip that I did, which would be, would have been bigger news. It's still floating around, similar conspiracy laden bull crap. And this one's my favorite one currently going around, which is the notion that the government, again, the government is throwing people out of airplanes.

[Adam Curry]

You mean illegal immigrants?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're taking illegal immigrants and flying them out to the 100 miles offshore and then throwing them out the plane.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's plenty of documentation. Yeah, there's proof, but I have, there's about four or five I decided I couldn't play. I could play clip after clip after clip and bore people stiff. But instead I put, I put a little presentation together myself. About a minute and 40, I guess. Plane murderers.

[Nico Syme]

You know how there were rumors that they were throwing people out of cargo planes and it didn't make sense to transport that many people with cargo planes because it cost way much more money anyway way people have been washing up on shores still shackled together, deceased. This is no longer a rumor. This is what is happening, guys. They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. No, this is not a drill. No, this is not fear mongering. They're shackling people flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. Okay, the flight patterns, there's people tracking them on this app. The, the flights going out with the deportees, watching them go out to open ocean and circle back.

[Adam Curry]

This is insane.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if it's true, then it could change everything. I knew there was something about these deportations that just didn't sit right with me. And then I found this story about a man in Colorado.

[Adam Curry]

His name is Alvin, and it looks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like he's been trying to get this story out for the past two weeks now. Long story short, Alvin expresses his worry that his brother that was taken by ICE and in quotations, deported is no longer alive. Because Alvin is friends with people that.

[Adam Curry]

Work for private contractors. Okay. One of which seems to have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty high up rank in the military. Alvin stated that his friend claimed that they were being paid to drop off people in the middle of the ocean.

[Nico Syme]

We all know they've been loading immigrants onto planes and deporting them, but what I just learned is they've been shackling their hands and feet and putting them onto these military cargo planes that have the capability to open that back door. Mid flight, five bodies shackled at the hands and feet washed up near Mallorca, Spain. Recently there has been a drastic increase in flight of these planes. And their flight path goes just into international waters.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is interesting. So this is what happens, the same as with this weather in Texas. People have the data. So we have planes flying because we got flight aware or flight radar, whatever you're using, you have, you know, tons of different radar programs and people have their little setup and then they just, you know, stand in front of the blue screen or what, you don't even need that anymore. Just chroma keys you badly in front of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then you just point, point towards the data. Here's the data. Here's proof. There's proof. It used to be fun to be a conspiracy theorist. It sucks now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's an interesting take.

[Adam Curry]

That's why I'm a conspiracy therapist. I've changed my vocation.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they, of course there was a wash up on shore. I guess it was in Spain. Now, of course, one person said it was Italy and it was obviously was the local some sort of bandits, you know, trying to smuggle people on boats? Because you can't for one thing. The logic of this is the following. They're flying a cargo plane out a hundred miles into the, toward the ocean, 100 miles out to sea, dumping the bodies shackled alive into the water and then flying back at 100 miles. Now, the bodies shackled have to travel across the ocean, what, 1500, 2000 miles across the Atlantic Ocean to get to Europe uneaten by sharks and other critters and still shackled and intact. And landing on Majorca does that makes nothing but sense to these people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the logical misstep is just obvious right from the get go. And then again, there's the idea that the government would be doing this when they, yeah. How come a Braille Garcia, whatever his name is, Abrego Garcia guy, how come they didn't do that with him?

[Adam Curry]

So this is but it's, it's also, it's the egomania, the ego of I got to be on TikTok. I got to be broadcasting. I got to be showing everybody. Listen, guys, it's crazy if this is true. It seems like it's true. Look, here's the map, here's the data, here's the proof. A guy that I know, his brother actually saw this happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's your favorite bit. A guy I know whose brother, sisters.

[Adam Curry]

Daughters actually witnessed this witness, saw this. They went through it. Yeah. Could I just play your NPR report just for historical context so we have an actual report of what happened in Kerrville when we go back years from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now and look at the archives. Yes. Yeah. This is from yesterday when the, when the body count was 39, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's about 59.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's up to 59, I think now, today, this morning. But yeah, you can play that.

[Nico Syme]

In Central Texas, the death toll in the flash flooding Friday has risen to at least 32, including. Meanwhile, crews continue to search for more than two dozen children missing from a summer camp. NPR Sergio Martinez Beltran has more.

[Adam Curry]

I'm outside Camp mystic in Kerrville, Texas, which was severely hit by Friday's flash floods. Parts of it were washed away and the area around this place is completely destroyed. It's pretty incredible. Huge trees are down, cars are stuck on them. There are also huge boulders in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Middle of the road.

[Adam Curry]

All of these show how violent the waters of the Guadalupe river were, and the search and rescue efforts are ongoing. Sergio Martinez Beltran, NPR News, Kerrville, Texas. Yeah, the one thing which I think happens everywhere, we are truly Americans. And you just see everybody coming together. Everyone's doing everything they can to help and to do stuff. And I always love that. That is such an American trait because I've been through all kinds in Europe. And in Europe, they're like, well, where's the government? Where's the government here in America? We said the government did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's also funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's a good observation. That's a good switcheroo.

[Adam Curry]

It's a sad state. But, you know, it's like your political affiliation doesn't matter, your religious affiliation. I mean, all the churches got together. Everyone's you know, collecting clothing and money.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we saw everything together in the North Carolina Northwest. Ended in the Loma Prieta earthquake.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, same thing. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where the cars were smashed on the freeway because the double decker freeway collapsed on a bunch of cars and people were stuck in there, you know, stuck in their car. And. And it was mostly white commuters going to the city and the black community which surrounds that area were up there saving everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly, exactly. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's ruined the 4th of July, I think in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's. Yeah, it really did. Really, really did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we had it. Meanwhile, we had a fogless Fourth of July.

[Adam Curry]

Well, rare, rare moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very rare. I watched two fireworks displays. The one on the 3rd of July in Richmond was superior. It always is good. And then there was the fourth of July to San Francisco, which was terrible, as usual. They had parallel displays that had no finale worth of crap. It was just a junk. A junk fireworks display. It was disappointing. Of course, we had that explosion of the fireworks factory, but I don't think that affected these two displays. These guys already had their stuff in place. And of course Richmond was going nuts. There must have been more money spent there than any place in the world.

[Adam Curry]

I heard $2 billion in America in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Total in fireworks and probably $2 billion in fire damage. Oakland had a number of fires. There's something like. I think there was 150 fire calls.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

For people that were either injured or burnt a house down.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's typical amateurs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they don't make. The municipal displays aren't that good. So people do themselves. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

People are doing them themselves. That's exactly right. It's exactly right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now on the. I do have a couple of 4th of July clips, kind of.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have TikTok if you. Now you don't have to play the jingle.

[Adam Curry]

No, I won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we have a TikTok of typical dipshit 4th of July scolder girl.

[Nico Syme]

If you support Donald Trump, I better not see you wearing red, white and.

[Adam Curry]

Blue flying a flag, by the way. So I'll just say I saw you post this on X and I responded to you. You said, why does this happen? Why do people do this with the big. The big crazy googly eyes and the she's got nut ball eyes and the reverse implosion hands.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's something. I started noticing the reverse implosion hands. Now what that is, people can watch the. You know what it is because you saw it. You hold your hand out in a palm Forward, your fingers outstretched, and when you make points, you draw the hand into a point. So you're constantly doing this kind of reverse explosion thing that you would do with your hand. If you put your hand, fingers together and then made an explosion motion with your hand, it's just the opposite. And they're constantly doing this. It's like it's, it's just a. No, I find it extremely annoying.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's cultural. It's actually cultural appropriation. I think it's a black girl kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be. Yeah, I believe that could be. Yeah, but it's like sister necking. You see a lot of white chicks do that.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And so I saw you post this and I'm like, the reason why this happens is because people like you, John C. Dvorak, keep propagating it by posting it. That's. You're the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel somewhat responsible.

[Adam Curry]

As you should. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This brings. Before you get back to this, brings me to some thoughts about shooting the messenger. I had this clip of a guy giving a lecture on Iran which I'd posted some time ago and I sent it to two people, one a famous Hollywood executive and another one a famous intel high end military guy who I know personally. Both of them. You know who they are?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I just don't want to mention those names because they both. Because the responses were both funny, but both got both people. One of them the producers of this. I say, I know a bullshitter when I see when I'm a bullshitter. A bullshitter takes out these guys. A bullshitter. And that was it. Nothing about the content, which I thought was interesting. The other, or my other buddy says he calls the guy out, was really rude about it, but again, nothing about the content. And then I realized that both of them shot the messenger because the messenger's no good. And oftentimes this is the key, we always say, oh, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just the messenger. No, you have to shoot the messenger. I've decided that's my new philosophy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm with you. I'm all about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

MSNBC is the messenger.

[Adam Curry]

You must shoot the messenger.

[John C. Dvorak]

I say the same for Fox.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, constitutional lawyer Rob says the motion is called bird hands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bird hands?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I mean, he's a white lawyer in Texas. I don't know what he knows, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll call it bird hands, if you remember. But these women do that when they're talking and they're constantly doing it. I find it extremely all this woman was Missing was a nose ring.

[Adam Curry]

Did she say mk? Did she say that? I can't remember. She said mkay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think she said mk.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, let's listen to it.

[Nico Syme]

If you support Donald Trump, I better not see you wearing red, white and blue, flying a flag, eating apple pie, or even taking the day off work. On the 4th of July, you can wear orange and eat Big Macs and Donald Trump's birthday, but the Fourth of July, Independence Day. No, you cannot celebrate Independence Day while simultaneously supporting a man that is actively trying to dismantle our democracy and undermining the Constitution at every turn. Because you do not love this country. You do not value this country. You love Donald Trump. For some unknown reason, you've decided to put him above our country and the principles upon which it was founded. So save your bullshit. You are not a patriot. You're actively anti American. I don't want to see you lighting fireworks, eating hot dogs, anything that is not for you anymore. Because you, my friend, are not a patriot. You are not pro America. You are pro Donald Trump. And those two things are in direct contradiction. Those of us who actually give a shit about our country, we will celebrate while protesting the man that's trying to destroy it. The rest of you, sit your asses at home. If you can't go into work and try to do some personal work, because Lord knows that there is a lot of it that needs to be done.

[Adam Curry]

You know this, I've been thinking about this. You know, there's a thing in our church, and I'm sure it's very similar in other churches, and maybe it's a little bit of a Baptist thing. You know, we have some, we have a non denominational church, but if the pastor or we had a guest speaker today, by the way, I would, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would, if I, I've seen your church's stuff, I would push you toward Baptist.

[Adam Curry]

Well, our pastor was raised Southern Baptist, but we are purely non denominational. But when, when, especially if there's a, a guest speaker and, you know, and he's, and he's, he's doing something, he's on a roll, you know, like a rant, a roll, or as some would say, I'm preaching now, then you'll hear the, the congregation say, good word, good word. That's what this is about. Because all the comments are good word, girlfriend. You go, good word. Yeah, good. Yeah, very good. You said it. You told them, you showed them that, showed him. It's a human thing. It's a human thing. And so She's. She's up in her pulpit. The pulpit of tick tock. And the comments are the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly right.

[Adam Curry]

And they're like, yeah, good word, girl. Good word. You go, girl. Fantastic. You tell them you get that orange. You get that orange, man. That's right. You tell them all those crazy followers. You go, girl. Bird hand. Bird hand. That's what it is. It's what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have another fed up clip from another tiktoker, and if you want to play that.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, then we'll get back to Fourth of July.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was about the fourth of July. I think this is, too.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, then I have the real Fourth of July clips coming up.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. From the BBC, no less.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, from Brooks and Capehart.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, right. I'd read that as BBC. Oh, Brooks and Capehart. Oh, great. Okay. Fed up, TikTok, girl.

[Nico Syme]

I quit. I'm done.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Click. All right, That's. That's what. Okay, that was a great clip. Fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

[Nico Syme]

Yeah, I'm done. I'm done with America. I'm done with taxes. I'm. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm gonna cash out like Monopoly and, And. And go and hide and move somewhere. You're telling me that my tax dollars are going to build an Alcatraz? Auschwitz. Alligator. Auschwitz. Alligator. Alcatraz.

[Adam Curry]

Auschwitz.

[Nico Syme]

I don't know what you want to call it. A detention center? A concentration camp in Florida that our tax money is paying for. I'm done. I can't do it anymore. I can't feed this system that is doing everything that I stand against. I didn't vote for this. I didn't vote for any of this. I'm. I'm done playing the game. I just. I want a tree and a farm and land and somewhere else. I. I can't keep feeding into this system. Am I the only one? Because is. It's been, what, today's the second. It's been seven months that this man's been office, and I'm exhausted and I can't. I can't do it anymore. I'm cashing out Monopoly. Am I the only. Come with me. Let's go. We're moving.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I suggest Europe. Enjoy that trip. Or maybe even the uk. You might be able to get a tree there. I like alligator. Auschwitz. That's kind of a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was done. That was created by somebody on msnbc.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's just not her creation, assure you.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Why isn't it Called Alagatraz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, I think for some reason they like the alliteration of alligator Alcatraz. And it's just got a nice sound to it.

[Adam Curry]

There's this thing about. And it's, it's ultimately, it's all very anti American. One of our family members, Tina, was talking to her and, and I warned her, said, don't, don't, don't, don't. And, you know, because we may be. We may take a trip to Israel next year to go see the Holy Land. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been there, been there, done that.

[Adam Curry]

I. Well, I haven't. And I have friends in Tel Aviv and, you know, I want to. I want to see some stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll give you a rundown of some of it. The women in Tel Aviv Avivas are unbelievably beautiful. Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Tel Aviv. We're going to do an extra day in Tel Aviv. John C. Devorak commands it and hummus.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the little village of Jaffa.

[Adam Curry]

Best ever. Best ever. So what comes back is, do you really feel comfortable supporting the economy of Israel? I thought about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. You're going to go there and you and Tina, by taking a trip to Israel, are going to be. If it wasn't for you two, they'd collapse.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm thinking, how can you say this while you're on your iPhone? Compiled of minerals scraped by little black children in the DRC with their bare hands and assembled in China who kill tens of thousands of Uyghurs and suppress their people with social credit scores.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like, did you say that to that person?

[Adam Curry]

No, I wasn't on the phone. After Tina hung up, I said, this is. This, this is. This is the line. And it's just like, you know, it's like. And what happened to Ukraine? We don't care about Ukraine anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

It's only a million people. Who cares how many people died there? Doesn't matter. It's an empathy issue that we have. It's an empathy issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is leading beautifully into the Brooks and clips, which is quite show.

[Adam Curry]

Go for it. Let's go for it. Let's go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, here we have. They're moaning and groaning about, you know, agreeing about one thing or another, but it's all bad. Trump's bad and the fourth of July. Everything's bad. And they're particularly concerned about the Alcatraz and the rest of it. But. But they get into this little, this very interesting discussion where Brooks decides that the Way to, to get to the, to the, to beat the Republicans even though he's supposed to represent the Republicans. But he said the beat the Republicans by taking all this, all this information and shaming them because it's a known fact that the Republicans have betrayed their voters. Now I don't know where this comes from, but this comes from right wing media. Should be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, this, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

By left wing. I'm sorry, left wing media.

[Adam Curry]

No, I disagree. This is Tucker, this is Candace. This is the America first movement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well it's coming from somewhere but the idea is that the Republicans have betrayed. Now I don't see it personally. I don't see that they've done anything to betray the voters and you know, go, you know, they're doing what they promised and it's just the way they do it. But so we, so we this. So I just found this to be very screwy. Listen, this is clip one. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think the one thing I would say if I were a Democrat is Donald Trump won election on the back of the working class. He has betrayed you. You have been betrayed by this guy. Americans are in a mood where many of them feel betrayed. And so Republicans have won because they tell a betrayal story. The elites are betraying you, but Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now have a betrayal story to tell.

[Adam Curry]

This is exactly. He is, by the way, I'll give him this. He is smart. He is latching on to an undercurrent, a movement. And the betrayal came with the bombing of Iran because that meant that the unit party is still in charge. The military industrial complex is still in charge. Trump is no better or worse than George W. Bush. That's the. You, you need to watch Tucker with Scott Horton because literally at the end, man, I have to clip that Scott Horton saying. And Tucker, Tucker, Tucker's going, oh, yeah, I could not agree more. I could not agree more. Yeah, I'm all. I think you're right. We should just withdraw from everywh. And why can't we just be a peaceful country and just not have any military and everybody can just live in their fine nice little world and it'll be multipolar and it'll be great and couldn't agree with you more. Go to antiwar.com that's right. Like yes, Utopia. I'd love it. Not even in the slightest realistic.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not at all.

[Adam Curry]

Because the are different.

[John C. Dvorak]

But back to Brooks and K. Part wherever this comes from, somebody lecturing somebody about the elites and the elites taking over. The elites, the elites.

[Adam Curry]

He's the elites. This guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

You Think. Well, listen to clip 2.

[Adam Curry]

How does this square with what President Trump is doing on immigration and mass deportation? Immigrants. It's the opposite. We've been a country of immigrants for since we were before our country. And Americans still love pluralism and diversity. I was celebrating Independence Day and the birth of our country yesterday in Milan on my way to Doha. I stopped in Milan to celebrate the birth of our country. I'm surprised he didn't say Milano.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was in Milan during the fight because I. Because I was. You know, the elites have been ruining the US But Milan is where I would go.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. That's not even borderline. That is clip of the day. Man, that was good. That's a good one. That.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he goes. He goes.

[Adam Curry]

Height.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he went to my. Now he also says that America's a land of immigrants. Yeah. Legal immigrants. Let's always use the word legal. But he doesn't do that. And, you know, diversity bull crap. So the guy is full of him. But to make the Milan thing even worse, he adds a little more to it. And now you're gonna really roll your eyes.

[Adam Curry]

Independence Day and the birth of our country yesterday in Milan, but at a Bruce Springsteen concert. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

I loved. I loved the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The level.

[Adam Curry]

At a Bruce Springsteen concert yesterday in Milan. But at a Bruce Springsteen concert. And he talked about exactly that, about the diversity of the country, the land he loves. He was so patriotic. And it's not. And I felt very moved and tears.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coming to my eyes, but so did the Italians.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, talk about out there at A$4, him laughing about, oh, yes, I was. I like to go out of the. And Cape Hart goes on with some story about going to Holland for something. These guys are just the worst.

[Adam Curry]

What did he go to Holland for?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't contemporary. So it was. You know, he talked about a previous trip to Holland where he gave a speech. I mean, the whole thing is sickening to listen to these guys. This is pbs. And you have it in their little clip. The voices of the elite.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, hold on a second. Where is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Elitist voices of America. This is NPR or pbs.

[Adam Curry]

Spot on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just to bring that home. I do have the PBS because I play the NPR self promotion because they're worried about their money. Here I have the PBS House promotion. Just that. Here's their take on the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

They also access computer systems, steal data. I'm sorry, sorry, my mistake. There was the one right under it. Here we go. There's nothing more American than pbs. It's a safe place where kids learn and grow and where grown ups are informed, entertained and inspired. PBS is one of America's greatest resources for 50 years strong. And PBS needs your help to keep going for another 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will have done a great service.

[Adam Curry]

For our future visit. Protect my public media to learn more. Because there's nothing more American than pbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, nothing more elitist. Now if you listen to this thing at the very beginning they say kids and grownups. Who uses the word grownups except kids?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, what kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, hey, what are the grownups doing? It's not the adults. You use the word adults, not grown ups.

[Adam Curry]

To be be fair, if we had 1% of our money taken away by the government for some through some strange taxation on podcasters, whatever it is, we'd be doing this too. Valued. Support us, support the show, please. And I'd have all kinds of jets flying and Star Spangled Banner and fireworks going on. America, baby. Freedom of speech. Yeah, you bet. So I, I gotta give it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not gonna argue against the fact that yes, the word they're defensive, but the use of the word grown ups for adult is really got my goat there for some reason. I don't know why that galls me. It's like, what are you talking to us like this for?

[Adam Curry]

Is this the same station that brings you Antique Roadshow?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, as a matter of fact.

[Adam Curry]

Checking. Just checking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Antiques Roadshow, you learn a lot.

[Adam Curry]

I like the ones where they do their repeats and they'll show in today's dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those are great. And they show the up to date.

[Adam Curry]

Numbers which shows you inflation of the money supply basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or that some things just don't get any more valuable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's true. So along these lines, and you know, we've kind of been watching this and have discussed it a little bit, but now. So Elon Musk announces America Party.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have the BBC clip of the announcement that I think they did the best job.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let me see Musk. Okay. And then I have a clip I want to play.

[Nico Syme]

The tech billionaire Elon Musk has announced the formation of a new political party.

[Adam Curry]

In the United States. Writing on X, he said the America.

[Nico Syme]

Party would challenge what he called a one party system that wasted public money and undermined democracy.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. So I have the Yamiche version of this. This is Yamiche on NBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

And hey, by the way, good news. I understand Yamiche, who's been carted off of pbs. I think this the, the, the, the Lopez girl. Oh, has kicked her out? No, I think she, they either kicked her out there or she's, I don't think they kicked her out because I think they liked her. I think she's taking a gig with the, with the spin off of MSNBC or something like that.

[Adam Curry]

Spinco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spinco. Right, Spinco.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so we've been trying to figure this out. Is this, you know, is this a Trump gambit with Elon? Is this the foil and is this wrestling? And I think after this report and you'll hear, you know, the things that Elon has been posting or tweeting to me. This America party is entirely designed around the midterms to get as many Democrats to move away from the Democrat party to move to something else. Mainly because of the wokeism of the left of the Democrat party. There's a lot of Americans who are sick of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Without hearing the clip. I'm already agreeing with your analysis.

[Adam Curry]

Listen to the words.

[Nico Syme]

Tonight, on the heels of President Trump signing his massive domestic policy bill into law, his former close ally Elon Musk announcing the formation of a new political party. Musk, the world's richest person taking to his social media site acts to say we live in a one party system, not a democracy. Today.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, right there. Why would Musk say not a democracy? This is Democrat talking points. Republicans always fight against this word. We say no, we live in a republic. You don't say our democracy unless you are targeting it at Democrats new political party.

[Nico Syme]

Musk, the world's richest person taking to his social media site acts to say we live in a one party system not a democracy. Today the America Party is formed to give you back your freedom. Musk, who is President Trump's top campaign donor, has been feuding with the President over the so called one big beautiful bill which the non partisan Congressional Budget Office says will add more than $3 trillion to the national debt over the next 10 years. Musk has referred to the legislation as a debt slavery bill.

[Adam Curry]

Right there. Whenever you bring in slavery, it's never to speak to Republicans. Ever, ever, ever, ever has the worst advisors, is the dumbest guy in the world, which I don't think he is or this is directed towards Democrats. Democracy, slavery, this is all code.

[Nico Syme]

Over the next 10 years, Musk has referred to the legislation as a debt slavery bill and had been teasing a new political party for days. The Tesla CEO did not respond to questions from NBC News seeking clarity about today's announcement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Announcement the stock market's at an all time high.

[Nico Syme]

For his part, President Trump has been celebrating the bill, the legislation extends the tax cuts from his first term, reduces taxes on tips and overtime pay, and provides funds for his immigration priorities.

[Adam Curry]

All right, then it goes on and on about Trump. To me, the easiest PREY in the two party system, UniParty, call it whatever you want, is the. And basically Trump at this moment, except for abortion and a couple other things, is like a very old school Democrat. You would know. You were one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And so, you know, no Republican, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why he appeals to the working class.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. No Republican candidate is going to switch from the Republican Party to. I'm not gonna say I know that for sure, but it seems highly unlikely.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's knowing it for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Highly unlikely. I mean, the Republican, both parties have so much money and power and clout, which of course I'm not for. I love the idea of a third party, but this to me just smells of a setup to dilute the Democrat Party more. No Republican's gonna go, oh, yeah, screw you, Trump, I'm gonna sit over here. You know what's gonna happen? That's not gonna, that's not gonna help you win any seats. And you know, it's like to me, it just feels it may not even come to fruition. And you know, all Trump is, President Trump has said about Elon is, well, you know, his EV credits. And that's a losing business. And Elon Musk knows it. His future is in Xai, which owns X. And there's a lot of good artificial intelligence stuff in the big, beautiful bill, a lot of protectionism, there's tons of payment options that he'll be able to take advantage of. And of course SpaceX. I didn't hear President Trump say, oh, we're going to take away his SpaceX contracts. No, no, I don't think so. It just feels to me like this is still some kind of a massive Setup. Your views, Mr. Dvorak. Oh, crap. I'm sorry, of course. Sorry about that. Your views, Mr. Dvorak. You're back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, it wasn't saying anything.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're supposed to say, man, you missed my great rant.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could have. Because you have done that in the past. Yes, but just to stay honest. No, I just don't think this is gonna. I don't. It may not work. It's a nice. I think it's a nice try. It's a good idea. And there's gonna be a lot of, you know, wavering Democrats that can be, you know, I mean, we've seen every time a third Party comes along generally speaking with Ralph Nader, with Perot, it tends to hurt the Democrats more than the Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

I think it'll get a lot of libertarians, a lot of Scott Hortons Libertarians and Dave Smiths. I think they'll all move over there. They probably voted. Voted for that didn't. Maybe didn't vote or who knows what they voted. But I think that the Libertarians have been just floating around for so long.

[John C. Dvorak]

The libertarians are hopeless.

[Adam Curry]

Please don't, don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna say it. I used to, I call myself a libertarian for. I went through the phases of it being, you know, Democrat forever. And then I was a Republican from Reagan up for a while and then, and then I got, I think Bush made me nauseous and the younger because he changed his personality. He was a funny guy when he's.

[Adam Curry]

A governor and then he became a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Super douche and he became douchey and kind of dim witted something they was on. They drugged him or something. And then I became a. Then I called myself. Because nobody becomes a libertarian, they call themselves libertarian. And then when you start looking at libertarians that, you know, that actually take it very seriously, like the, the guy who ran for. Whose name I forgot already, the congress guy who was a stoner. It was just, it's really about pot. And you know, oh yeah, do your pot.

[Adam Curry]

Do your own thing. Gary. What was his name? Gary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Gary something pot. Do your own thing.

[Adam Curry]

No war, man. Peace baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Government should be smaller. Yeah, okay. And it's just bull crap. And it turns out to be a mishmash of ideas. They all disagree with each other, they can't get it together, they're stoned. And so it's a useless party. So then I became an independent. Then I found out that that's actually kind of a party in California. So then non affiliated. And that's where I remain.

[Adam Curry]

Gary Johnson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gary Johnson, who was stoned.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so was Bill de Blasio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But true.

[Adam Curry]

Speaking of, let's take a quick little trip to New York with the Mandani derangement system syndrome. Or as some have asked me to call it, Mandani mania, which I think is also a good one. Here's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can turn to the two middle letters to reverse them as madman.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there you go. In the days since it became clear that Zoram Hamdani would be the Democratic nominee for mayor in New York City, the response from Republicans has been about as unhinged as you might expect. Donald Trump is practically frothing at the mouth, threatening to arrest Hamdani, who of course has not broken any laws. There's on the right that they're going to like denaturalize him and deport him. At least one Republican congressman has called for the 33 year old state assemblyman, a naturalized U.S. citizen, to be deported. And it hasn't just been that even some establishing Democrats have refused to back their party's choice or said revolution really vile things about him, despite the overwhelming enthusiasm for his candidacy here in New York. But if there's one thing Mamdani has demonstrated over the course of this campaign so far, he's pretty good at just kind of sticking to his principles and message discipline. He doesn't bow down the face of pressure. But then he keeps pivoting back to the center of what he campaigned on, which is affordability. So here's how the. Here's how it went. Hey, Mayor. Mayor Adams, it's Donald. They got an idea. Try this.

[Nico Syme]

Mayor Adams is now questioning his opponent Zoran Mamdani's 2009 application to Columbia University. The mayor's camp accuses the Democrat of wrongly identifying himself as African American to try to gain acceptance to the Ivy League school. A hacker got hold of the application and gave it to the New York Times. Choice of Hamdani Check checked off the boxes for African American and Asian.

[Adam Curry]

I just love the blanket. A hacker. A hacker who did. A hacker. Obviously he's a hacker.

[Nico Syme]

Today, Adams called that dishonest, impossibly fraudulent.

[Adam Curry]

We will never be a socialist country or socialist city. This is a city where we will provide for each other and what we stand for.

[Nico Syme]

Candidate Andrew Cuomo's campaign is also blasting Mamdani, saying if true, it could be fraud. And just the tip of the iceberg. Mamdani, who is a Muslim immigrant of South Asian descent, tells the Times he checked both boxes because he was born in Uganda and the application would not allow for the complexities of his background.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, he's born in. If you're born in Africa, you're an African. You're an African.

[Adam Curry]

It's not very complex, I don't think.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they made a big fuss about this on Fox too, but they ended up backing off a little bit.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if I have a clip of it or not.

[Adam Curry]

Lame. Lame.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's like they tried to make hay with it. It's like. But it's, it's the same. You know what? This is this. Since I, I parallel this, of course, with Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's the same people who are helping him. It's the same people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the same. This is the same scandal, quote, unquote scandal as Trump University and Trump stakes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, and Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never got my degree from Trump University. I got ripped off.

[Adam Curry]

Unlike a PhD in media deconstruction from your no Agenda show a true value.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a true value and it's something you can be proud of and it looks good on the wall.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. By the way, my daughter graduates on Tuesday.

[John C. Dvorak]

She got her diploma from no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

No, she got it. She got a real honest to God diploma in. She's social worker. I told you that. Told you she's a social worker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Christina.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, she graduated from what school?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she. She went back to school.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but what school?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's a. It's an mbo. It's. It's like the, the lower.

[John C. Dvorak]

The name of the school that your daughter graduated from. This is how much you care.

[Adam Curry]

Different system. Okay. It's not. Okay, okay, okay, okay, you caught me. Okay. All right, hold on. I'm doing bird I' them bird hands. Okay. Yeah. She works in a. In a home for middle aged men. I think it's about 18 of them. Middle aged men. Thinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Always thinking of dad.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Well, it gets better. Middle aged men who have light mental or drug abuse issues.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

And she loves it. She says, dad, this is the best. It's just like helping my friends, only I get paid for it. And this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's cute.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she took me to work one day when I didn't. I didn't I talk about this on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you did not.

[Adam Curry]

She took me to take dad to work day.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was gonna.

[Adam Curry]

You.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would be careful you didn't get hit on the back of the head. Next thing you know, you're in there.

[Adam Curry]

No one guy said, oh, dad, you gotta meet. I forget what his name is. You got Nick. I think my. You gotta meet Nick. You'll love Nick. Nick comes to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Adam Curry]

I really love the no Agenda show. Yeah. Yeah. How about. Oh, yeah, I know about 9 11. Oh yeah, I know all about Total conspiracy theorist. It was awesome. Yeah. No, so she, she decided to get a. Get a. You know, healthcare in Europe is the gig.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the gig right there.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

They definitely support.

[Adam Curry]

Mainly because no one wants to do the job anymore. So she's got the pick, man. She can do whatever she wants and she still does her Instagram influencer gigs on the side. It's amazing. Finally. Finally My kids got a career here anyway. I don't even know how I came up with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't either.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the university. There you go. Yeah, but you know, when I see her, I'll also give her a PhD in media deconstruction. She deserves it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, okay, you have to. She has to put up.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, she'll pony up. Okay, well, yeah, yeah, she'll pony up.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't. This is not a complimentary thing.

[Adam Curry]

There's no honorary degrees at. No agenda. Forget about it. Can't just do some phony baloney commencement speech and expect to get a sash and a piece of paper. You got to support us. All right, Black Sabbath last. Come on, man, let's play that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you know, this is. I always find it. I have a. There's only one good story about. Well, play this clip. Is Black Sabbath, son finishing up?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they did. Their final concert, a farewell gig for the legendary British heavy metal band Black.

[Nico Syme]

Sabbath has been taking place home city of Birmingham frontman Ozzy Osbourne performed solo material on a black throne decorated with.

[Adam Curry]

Skulls before the band's original lined up.

[Nico Syme]

Lineup joined him to headline what will be their final show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, not the entire original lineup. Well, not dead. Not the Dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

My favorite Ozzy Osbourne story. And I don't remember if it was he that told the story or if it was one of the. Through guys, but he had a. In one of his concerts, he decided to have a catapult kind of behind. Yeah, a catapult kind of behind the band. And it was held down by these, these, I guess, rubber.

[Adam Curry]

Rubber bands, pull downs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's going to be a. I guess a rubber band is going to pull the thing forward and. And the catapult in the. In the. Had a pocket that was filled with chicken guts. And the idea was that they were going to release at some point in the song they were going to release, they're going to cut it loose and the catapult is going to fly forward and throw chicken guts all over the audience.

[Adam Curry]

Nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what happened was Ozzy ended up. They had a guitar solo or something that ran on way too long and the rubber bands got kind of stretched and loose. They didn't have enough oomph to make the thing fly. So according to the story, the catapult flies up and kind of just drops all the chicken guts on Ozzy.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It seems like a believable story.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe I should. I've told it before. Maybe I should tell my Ozzy story since people Are always complaining. I don't talk about my old MTV stories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody's complaining.

[Adam Curry]

No, I get. I got an email the other day saying, hey, you need to talk more about some stories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here, your stories. The only thing listed a show. Waiting for some stories from you.

[Adam Curry]

Tina's great. Hey, Adam. Tell the Prince story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Tell the Madonna story. Yeah, yeah. Tell the Ozzy story. So I'll tell the Ozzy story. People have heard it, but I'll tell it again. Moscow Music Peace Festival. You know, the big CIA op. We all went to Moscow and to get the kids to love the Scorpions just before the wall came down. I'll just cut straight to the chase because I didn't know that at the time, but it makes a lot of sense to now. So we leave from Newark Airport and it's a. It's a crappy. I think it was a stretch. 727. Do you remember those? Was it 727 or 7 37? The stretch.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, they never. It was a 27.

[Adam Curry]

727 stretch, which looks like they could snap in half at any moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were funny looking.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And. And so that's. That's what they chartered. Doc McGee. Oh, yeah. I should mention the whole reason for the concept, because Doc McGee, who managed Bon Jovi and Motley Crue at the time, his Learjet, had gotten busted in Florida bringing, like, some unbelievable amount of marijuana into the country. And so they got to him and they said, hey, instead of. What's that in your mouth on this picture? They said, look, why don't you organize a concert for us in Moscow and bring all your bands over there, and then we'll psyop the children. By the way, way the kids in Moscow. This is 88, I think 88, 89. Have no idea who Bon Jovi or Motley Crue were. They had no idea who skid row was. They didn't care. You know who? They knew Ozzy. They knew Ozzy Osbourne and they had all. All these bootleg cassettes that came in from Pakistan and they knew Ozzy. So we're on the plane. It's a crappy plane. There's, you know, no one's in first class, so everyone's annoyed and everyone's on edge. And, you know, of course, this was supposed to be a part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. The part of the story that I didn't know before. I don't think you told that part before. Would. This stemmed from a. From the guy. A guy getting busted and the CIA coming along because they Wanted to do this, this. They needed to do something in Moscow and they needed a front.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay. The whole thing makes sense to me. It's a great idea.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing was. Was to get the. Remember the Scorpions were there. There. The Scorpions were a German band and they had the Wind of Change, which is the only hit they ever had that they didn't write themselves. Coincidence. And, you know, that was the Wind of Changes. And that was the big anthem when the wall came down. Not, you know, not but a year, year and a half later. So I'm. There's all kinds of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's an OP involved, there's.

[Adam Curry]

There's a definite OP involved. But I'm the only person from MTV who goes along. I'm like, this is dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how come you were the only one? Because wouldn't anybody. Wouldn't somebody else want to go?

[Adam Curry]

I think they only offered it to one person. And I did Headbangers Ball. So I was appropriate. You know, I was the guy and I had the hair and everything. And I don't know, I'm happy that they told me to go. I'm sure the. I'm sure. You know what, I'm sure that Downtown Julie Brown was not having it. It. She's like, no, I'm not going to go to Moscow, to Russia. Of course, this was, you know, still Iron Curtain stuff. So anyway, we're on the plane and this whole concert, this whole affair is billed as a anti drugs, anti alcohol concert. That was the front. Like, we're doing this because we're going to show we can have good clean fun to the Russian kids. They were on the plane. Everybody's hammered. They're drunk as skunks, all of them. And Ozzy was there, Geezer Butler was there, Tommy O. I mean, there was a lot of Black Sabbath was there, whatever was still alive or barely alive. And Sharon, who at the time. This is way before the Osbourne's reality show. This is way before Ozempus. And Sharon was a big, roly, poly British housewife. Now she. She was tipping the scales and she's like, oh, Ozzy. Oh, Ozzy. Ozzy, very timid, didn't have the big mouth that she has now. And so at a certain point, Ozzy gets up and he. And he has to go to the bathroom. He's like. And so there's a laboratory that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got his voice down.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lavatory mid. Mid section of the plane. And it's occupied because we're kind of in the Second, the back half of the plane. And so Ozzy's standing there. Shar. Sharon. And she's like, oh, Ozzy just right. Sharon. And what does Ozzy do? He pees his pants right there in the aisle. Probably the saddest thing I've ever seen in rock and roll ever. Ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is pretty pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

And that's my Aussie story.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's uplifting part about your stories.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it beats the floods of Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, anything does that.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then it was just to complete the story. It was Greg. I'm trying to remember his name. Greg was a production assistant at mtu and he was out in Los Angeles and he had a crew and he had done something for mtv. They were doing some interview and he had the crew for another, I think another two days or something. And he just. And he knew the Osbournes. And so he said, you know, why don't I just follow you guys around for a day and then I'll cut it up and we'll make it into some kind of show. And that literally was how the reality show of the Osbournes was created by a production assistant who just said, I got some extra tape. Let's just roll it. And they cut it together and was so outrageous and hilarious that MTV picked it up and turned it into the Osbourne show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's an interesting story.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shows you that anybody can make it. If you have, you just keep trying.

[Adam Curry]

I saw Greg's name on the credits of like some big award show. I mean that kid went on, man, he went on to do some stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously has some sort of talent. So I'm going to play a couple of clips with our. Because we left him out. Hasn't been. He's been left on the cutting room floor. Our buddy Succotash.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Scott Simon. Finally he's back.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so now he's talking about the big beautiful Bill. But I. Before we play the four clips, they're short. I want to play it even shorter. He introduces. I've never notice NPR has. They got that Aisha girl who talks. She talks funny. And then we had that Mexican kid that from Texas who gave us a report on the. Of the Kerrville thing. And. And then there's this woman. I don't not going to play her, but I just want to play his introduction to her. This is Scott Simon introducing reporter Buffy.

[Adam Curry]

Gorilla visits where it started and where it's going. Her name is Buffy Gorilla.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they have a person now at no Name Buffy Gorilla. No, no, I'm, I'm telling you, that was not a creation. That is, that's Buffy Gorilla. You'll find her.

[Adam Curry]

I'm telling you. That's a show title. Buffy Gorilla is a show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a good name, Boo. I mean, if you want a name, it's almost, it's not even a stripper's name. Here she is. Buffy Gorilla. No, no. I don't know what kind of a stage name it is.

[Adam Curry]

It's great. Buffy Gorilla.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gorilla.

[Adam Curry]

Let's play that again. Hold on a second. We'll do the combo suffer and Succotash. I'm Scott Simon, reporter. Buffy Gorilla visits. Where it started, man. Where it's going. Buffy Gorilla.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. So here we go. Scott Simon on the bbb.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump is called the dead Central Texas shocking. And says his administration is working with Governor Abbott over federal aid. He made those comments yesterday after he signed his massive policy bill, the so called big beautiful Bill, at a July 4th White House celebration. Oh, I like the intonation big beautiful bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's, that's, well, the thing that, that made me stop it there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the use of the term so called.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the reason NPR and PBS should not be getting government money. That is a propagandistic word in this sense. If you look it up, it's actually available. Cambridge and Merriam Webster both have definitions of it and it implies bullshit.

[Adam Curry]

You think it's also a good word for Scott Simon, the so called big beautiful bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's called the big beautiful bill. It's not so called. So this is a propagandistic term. So we know. Okay, right away, this is going to be a very slanted report from the new member of the Radio hall of fame, Scott Simon. Here's part two. Promises made, promises kept, and we've kept them.

[Adam Curry]

This is a triumph of democracy on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The birthday of democracy. And I have to say that the people are happy.

[Adam Curry]

It's a package that will cut taxes, add more funding for border security, and also make cuts to major programs like Medicaid. NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzleben joins us. Danielle, thanks so much for being with us.

[Nico Syme]

Yeah. Good morning, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

And please tell us about yesterday's wait, did she say in the morning, Scott? I heard it. She said in the morning, Scott. Listen, Danielle Kurtzleben joins us. Danielle, thanks so much for being here with us.

[Nico Syme]

Yeah, good morning, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

And she's saying in the morning, Scott, I'm telling you, we've got a shill on the inside John Wish. Danielle Kurtzleben joins us. Danielle, thanks so much for being with us.

[Nico Syme]

Yeah, good morning, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

And please tell us about yesterday's ceremony.

[Nico Syme]

Well, the event was outside the White House at a picnic for military families, including those who participated in Operation Midnight Hammer in Iran. At that event, B2S flew overhead. Now, those are the planes that carried those massive bombs targeting those underground nuclear facilities in Iran. Trump came out on a balcony with First Lady Melania Trump and he thanked the military members. But he quickly transitioned to celebrating his new policy bill. And then he came down from the balcony to sign it, surrounded by Republican Congress members.

[Adam Curry]

Fourth of July even, to be sure, but also a celebration of the administration.

[Nico Syme]

Oh, very much. That was also the case, by the way, in Iowa on Thursday night, too. I was there. It was in Des Moines. And it was meant to be a celebration for America, but really it looked like any Trump campaign rally, which is to say it was deeply partisan.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, okay. Of course. Of course it's partisan. That's what you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what every President Trump rally.

[Adam Curry]

What do you rally? It's a rally, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give me a break.

[Adam Curry]

That B2 with the two jets on either side, that looked badass.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's flyover.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, that flyover was amazing. That looked really cool.

[Nico Syme]

Cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree. It's a good looking plane.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The B21, which is the new plane is the B21 is pretty nasty looking too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the air when it's on the ground, it looks flimsy. No, it looks terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a doofus.

[Adam Curry]

It has little wheels out, rumbling along. Oh, it's no good then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It looks like a toy. Okay, part three.

[Nico Syme]

And there too, he said he had a couple of weeks of winning that have just passed after all Congress passed that new major domestic policy agenda, albeit narrowly. And he had that major strike on Iran and then a ceasefire that is holding at the moment. And then there are also numbers showing that border crossings are way down. And he celebrated that on his trip to Florida this week to a new migrant detainment camp which the administration is calling Alligator Alcatraz.

[Adam Curry]

The administration points all of this and says that amounts to a lot of winning. Is there more to consider?

[Nico Syme]

Well, absolutely. For example, on a race, Iran, it's still unclear how much of Iran's nuclear capabilities were truly destroyed. And it's unclear if or when they would start rebuilding their program on that so called big beautiful bill that could push nearly 12 million people off Medicaid, according to the Congressional Budget Officer CEO, which has also found that the bill would benefit the wealthy most.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, this is so. This is lies. It's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, it's great.

[Adam Curry]

Did they have not said it will push people off? Did it say that? Did it say it'll push people off Medicaid decade? No, it didn't. He also didn't say, oh, it's only the bipartisan, the nonpartisan CBO who do make mistakes, but they're nonpartisan. I doubt they said, oh, it's just going to benefit rich people. I don't think that's in their report.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's not.

[Adam Curry]

But okay.

[Nico Syme]

On that so called big beautiful bill. So called that could push nearly 12 million people off Medicaid according to the Congressional Budget Office or cbo, which has also found that the bill would benefit the wealthy most. Now, Democrats were very worried about that, as were some Republicans. And some Republicans were also upset about how much the bill would add to the debt. According to the CBO, it would add 3.3 trillion.

[Adam Curry]

That is a lot over 10 years.

[Nico Syme]

And then there's the fact that it's just not that popular according to multiple polls. Now Trump, for his part, simply dismisses that polling. Here he was talking yesterday. Yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just have to look forward, fellas. Look forward and just say what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Because it's the most popular bill ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Signed in the history of our country.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so. I don't know if it's the most popular bill ever. Although there is one thing. If I can just interrupt with something from the big. But the so called big beautiful bill by the rains coming down again here. This is from producer Andrew. I missed this one. The bill reduces the $200 National Firearms act tax to $0 for suppressors, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns and quote, any other weapons. This reduction to zero tax allows lawsuits to be filed challenging the validity of still having to register these items under the nfa, possibly nullifying the National Firearms act altogether or at least the portion governing these items. That is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I heard about this too.

[Adam Curry]

An extreme rare win for second Amendment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, very rare. It's unusual.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I thought that was. And I missed that one. So I appreciate producer Andrew for catching that. Wow. You heard, hear that? It's like it's coming to here. Listen, I'll turn off the noise gate for a second. Listen to this. That's the rain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not loud enough.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, it's the rain on the studio. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you have a tin roof, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I yeah, it's a tin roof. I got a cat on a hot tin roof over here.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a tin roof. I told people that. They were saying, well, how about Adam? How'd he do in this nice Adams? He said, the altitude. Nothing happens to Adam's place, it's not gonna flood.

[Adam Curry]

I can't believe Mimi didn't text me. Oh, my gosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she talked to me about it and I said, don't bother him.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, she's, you know, she thinks you're gonna be dropping.

[John C. Dvorak]

She think, well, she's worried, but she like, like she cares. She wants to make sure the show continues so that she can pay bills.

[Adam Curry]

That's basically, it's very interesting how people from all over the world reached out. Are you okay? Of course. There's always the five people who said, admit it, Curry, you kicked over the rainstick, didn't you? Yeah, that's really funny. In the time of tragedy, interestingly, about three different people never reached out, didn't even know it. And that's because they're not on social media. They didn't even know what happened, which is the way it used to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the way it probably should be. It's not your business if you're not around there. The area, it seems to me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, thoughts and prayers. Okay, fourth. Fourth and final clip of the so called big beautiful Bill report. Daniel, you mentioned the Florida Detention center. What challenges are there for President Trump and immigration right now?

[Nico Syme]

Well, as you know, immigration has been maybe the central issue for Trump since day one. And so people who vote for him vote for tighter immigration policy. But in practice, this administration's approach to immigration enforcement, it has faced a lot of opposition around the country, for example, in the form of protests. And also some businesses are just concerned he'll deport their workers. And it's uncertain whether or to what degree that will happen. Trump has, in fact, waffled, for example, on whether he. He will ease up on raids on places like farms which rely on a lot of immigrants.

[Adam Curry]

And what about tariffs?

[Nico Syme]

Well, he said he plans to make a lot of tariff moves in this next week. But first, let me remind you of where we are. In early April, Trump announced tariffs on most countries. Then he backed off and set those tariffs at 10% temporarily. He said that on July 9, the rates would jump back up, but then before then, he would negotiate rates country by country. Well, July 9th is coming and he's negotiating rates with two countries, the UK And Vietnam. So now he says he'll send out letters simply notifying countries of their tariff rates. So soon we're going to find out how much American businesses and likely consumers will be paying for imports.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that'll be fun. Tuesday on DH Unplugged. I can't wait. I can't wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

It depends on whether the market goes up or down.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the market doesn't like tariffs. I thought the market doesn't like, the market doesn't like uncertainty in general.

[John C. Dvorak]

The market is booming, baby.

[Adam Curry]

It's booming.

[John C. Dvorak]

The market is booming, but the market is, is quasi, I'd say quasi predictive because it's seen as, oh, it's so, it's always looking ahead and it's, it's taken into account. Already taken into account. So there's no, it's already taken.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's priced in is what you're supposed to price. Same thing it's priced.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so if it's, if the market goes up when the announcement happens, it's been, oh, it's already been priced in, taken into account account. If the market goes down, same news, same situation. Nothing's changed. Absolutely. The same is because, oh no, they're worried sick. I mean, it's, it's so bogus.

[Adam Curry]

I love every morning after about an hour or so, I'll, I'll pick up my phone and I'll look at CNBC because then you can see what the, what the pre, you know, what the futures are for NASDAQ and the Dow. And if it's down, there's, there's always a picture of a guy with a sad face or his head in his hands or looking up at a screen like really terrified. And if the market's going up, a happy guy. It's so awesome just to look at the CNBC website in the morning. It's great. It's always doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So before I finish, those clips are over. But I do have one last anti Trump, anti Trump Medicare.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, very good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or Medicaid report.

[Nico Syme]

Many of the 1500 federally funded community health clinics that provide free or reduced cost care to more than 3 million people are at risk of closing because of the Trump administration's new tax and spending law. NPR's Yuki Noguchi has more. Yuki about half of such centers patients rely on Medicaid, meaning the centers do too for revenue. The new law's cutbacks to that program mean many will no longer get payment and will have to close or cut back on services, according to Joe done at the national association of Community Health Centers. That he says will hit rural areas hard. Health centers are largely the Only primary care network in the community. And so if there's a closure or reduction in services, then it's going to be felt even more so than in maybe a suburban or urban setting.

[Adam Curry]

Now, how does that square with reality that over 10 years Medicaid spending will actually increase by 25%, if not more, depending on who gets in, Into. Into Congress? What is this, a derivative lie? Because, well, if people get kicked off.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good term. I like it. Derivative lie.

[Adam Curry]

If people get kicked off of Medicaid, yeah. Then the services will, will cease to be needed. But that's unlikely to happen except for about a million illegal immigrants. That's. That seems to be. And people who just don't want to work or. I don't know. I can't imagine. I saw a horrible story. I can't believe I thought I clipped that. It was. Let me see. I'm sure I clipped that one. Maybe it was on the last show. Let me see. It was like it ended with, with some kid. Let me see. Medicaid. Oh, yeah, no, that was actually the Amish clip. Let me, let me play that. This clip at the end here, that was the one with Elon's Democracy Party and I stopped it. Listen to what they did at the end here.

[Nico Syme]

The legislation extends the tax cuts from his first term, reduces taxes on tips and overtime pay, and provides funds for his immigration priorities. It also makes some of the biggest cuts in history to social safety net programs like Medicaid and food assistance. In Missouri, Kimberly Gallagher is worried about how the bill's new work requirements could affect her and her son's access to Medicaid. Her son Daniel has a rare genetic disorder and autism, and she is his primary caregiver. Medicaid is in every facet of our life. It's not just medical, it's financial, it's care. And to lose any of those parts would drastically change our lives.

[Adam Curry]

It's unbelievable that they did this. So they show a mom with a kid who clearly has autism and he can't walk right. And he's severely autistic and like, oh, it's going to take away his care. Bull crap. It specifically states, specifically in the bill, in plain English, that even me, a three month graduate of Salem Salem College, West Virginia, can read. And it's, it says if you have a dependent child that you're not going to be affected at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

So why would they lie like this? And why would Yamiche on NBC, the pinnacle of socialistic reporting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, because they, they just want to Keep. Because it doesn't kick in until December of 26. Right around those midterms.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's after the midterms.

[Adam Curry]

Right after the midterms. So they just want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Tiktokers. I don't have any clips. Luckily for. For you. Tiktokers are on there saying, I've lost my ebt. I've lost. They've taken it away as though it all happened, like, yesterday. No, I mean, these people are liars.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. By the way, Buffy Gorilla, I'll have you know, is a master of journalism candidate at the University of Melbourne, Australia.

[John C. Dvorak]

A master of journalism. MJ Master of. Master's degree in journalism was a candidate. Candidate, candidate. Which doesn't mean. Jack, I'm a. I. I am too.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a candidate for all kinds of degrees. Yeah, the three degrees. I'm. I'm all over the place with my candidacy. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's a can. She's not even. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would you put that in there? It just doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Curry]

Just had to put it in. Let's talk about war for a second war.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it good for?

[Adam Curry]

Absolutely nothing. Say it again. Well, it looks like the Israelis once again are controlling America. Like, hey, we're going to do a ceasefire. You tell us to do it.

[Nico Syme]

The Gazans say they've had enough and they're ready for the war to end.

[Adam Curry]

Enough? The war has been going on for long enough now. People are exhausted beyond imagination. I can't take it any longer. It's almost two years now and the situation is very difficult. And it's becoming more and more difficult.

[Nico Syme]

Following days of deliberations and meetings with Palestinian factions, Hamas says it's ready to begin talks on a U. S. Backed ceasefire proposal. The news was met with joy and relief in the Gaza Strip when Hamas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gave its possible positive response.

[Adam Curry]

People felt happy because we are really tired.

[Nico Syme]

We are happy that Hamas responded positively and we hope that a truce will be announced and the crossings eventually reopen so we can receive flour. People are dying for flour and young people are dying as they try to provide flour for their children. Those in the enclave say they live in constant terror of aerial bombardment by Israeli missiles and that there are no safe places for them to take cover. They also point to the lack of basic necessities, including food. Hamas is pressing for guarantees for a permanent end to the war, a commitment Israel has yet to make. However, the Israeli prime minister will be visiting Washington next week, where Donald Trump will likely be pressing him to negotiate two previous Ceasefires brokered by Qatar, Egypt and the US have also seen a temporary halt in fighting and prisoner hostage exchanges, though both deals ultimately collapsed.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have this little ditty out of Lebanon. Under the leadership of the late Hassan Nasrallah, the Lebanese political party and paramilitary group Hezbollah grew into a regional military player with tens of thousands of fighters as well as rockets and drones. It is now much weaker after Israel decimated its command, killed thousands of its fighters, and destroyed much of its weaponry. Nasrallah's successor is Naim Qassem, who in April said the group would not allow anyone to disarm it. It's reported now that Hezbollah is considering scaling back its role as an armed movement without disarming completely. That emerges as the Lebanese government is preparing its response to a US proposal for Hezbollah's disarmament. The country's deputy prime Minister, speaking to France 24 Government is gradually extending its authority as it works to establish a state monopoly on weapons. This cannot happen. In a moment there will be some resistance. We hope the resistance is political. So this is the meaning we try to give to those fiery statements that we hear every now and then from Hezbollah leaders. U.S. special envoy Tom Barrack will visit Beirut on Monday. This Saturday, on social media, he appeared to urge a decision from Lebanon's leaders on faced disarmament of Hezbollah within months, saying Lebanon's hope awakens. The opportunity is now. This is a historic moment to supersede the strained confessionalism of the past and finally fulfill Lebanon's true promise of the hope of one country, one people, one army. I know it's not very Hortonian of me, but sometimes when you just show some power and cut off the funding at the head of the snake, things start to move. Isn't it amazing? And I'm pretty sure President Trump is now about to start making moves to show Putin that he's serious as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Volodymyr Zelensky spoke on Friday with US President Donald Trump in what the Ukrainian leader said was, quote, a very important and fruitful phone call. In a post on social media platform X, he said the pair discussed Russian airstrikes and broader frontline developments. He also said they spoke about opportunities in air defense and agreed they would, quote, work together to strengthen the protection of our skies. Zelensky then went on to thank the US President for his support. Conversation comes a day after Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed Ukraine, Iran and other issues in a call the Kremlin described as frank and constructive. But despite phone calls, the conflict still continues on the ground. Overnight and into Friday, Russia launched a massive aerial attack against Ukraine, mainly targeting Kyiv, while subsequent attacks also caused a blackout at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, said the country's energy minister. Also on Friday, a Russian telegram channel.

[Adam Curry]

Reported that Ukraine had used a new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Type of drone to attack a strategic plant in the country's Rostov Oblast region.

[Adam Curry]

So new type of drone is what caught my eye. No Sooner has the NATO 5%, really 3 1/2% been agreed to than we see all kinds of deals. We have a memorandum between Ukraine and the US Companies Swift Beat, who will enable scaling up production of interceptor drones. Do you know the company Swift Beat, John? No. Well, there's a nice picture here of the executives of Swift Beat sitting with President Zelensky. And there's Eric Schmidt, formerly of Google, moves in right away getting some of that sweet, sweet military industrial complex cash. And there's now a strategic, strategic cooperation that's been announced between Lockheed Martin and Rheinmetall, you know, to create some patriots for them. It didn't take but two weeks and the money is flowing. And then I've got to play this Lulu, your, your gal, Lulu Garcia Nevado. You know who I'm talking about, about Lulu?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do. Maybe. Yes. Lulu Garcia Navarro, she's the New York Times lady and she's always on MSNBC and on npr. Lulu Garcia, she has the very hip, you know, the, the new modern look for, look her up. The modern look for glasses for women is the, is the big like 19 giant. Yeah, like 1969, 1970s. My mom had them, you know, the giant glass. Navarro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I know. They look like crap.

[Adam Curry]

It's very hip.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the hip girls are wearing very hipsters.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So she's, and she even has like the 60s outfit on. She's got the 60s platform shoes. She's going all in. But you know, she's a journalist. So she did this huge interview with the one only Mark Ritz, Ruta, your buddy. Yes. And and the title of this. So she also did it in, she did the interview on video and they had, you know, big microphones in front of their faces because I guess it's a podcast. And the title of the video is Rutte Explains why He's such a Big Trump Fan. So I got a couple clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Gee, I thought it was would be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting, something that the no Agenda show flat footed on.

[Nico Syme]

Secretary General, thank you so much for joining the interview. I really appreciate your time.

[Adam Curry]

Really appreciate being here. Thank you for the invitation. Thank you for the invitation.

[Nico Syme]

I'm going to start with a big but basic question, and I want it to be in the form of an elevator pitch, if you will.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[Nico Syme]

Why should NATO matter to Americans?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, stop.

[Adam Curry]

I knew you'd catch that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's that, but I want to. I met her wiki page. She's, I would say a sketchy, sketchy. She's been all over the place. Jerusalem. She's been bureau chief in Mexico.

[Adam Curry]

She's a Zionist. She's a Zionist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baghdad, Jerusalem, Rio party. She was there during Arab Springs, educated Georgetown University. She was one of six children refugees from the 59 Cuban Revolution. She earned a bachelor's degree in international relationship, master's in journalism from City University in London. She's been all over the world. It looks like she's. She depends on where they station her. Quote, unquote is the way I see it. So she is of that ilk right off the. At the get go. And I think that we. I only bring. Yes, please. I think that we should have that in mind.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we listen to the lecture and.

[Adam Curry]

We'Ll go back and listen to the beginning.

[Nico Syme]

Secretary General, thank you so much for joining the interview.

[Adam Curry]

I really appreciate your time, really appreciate being here. Thank you.

[Nico Syme]

I'm going to start with a big but basic question, and I want it to be in the form of an elevator pitch, if you will.

[Adam Curry]

What is this elevator pitch you speak of? We don't have this in the Holland. We walk the stairs, lady.

[Nico Syme]

What should NATO matter to Americans now? What do Americans get out of this treaty today?

[Adam Curry]

It should matter. And if I was in the elevator, I would say, if you want to defend the US you have to make sure. If I was in the elevator, I'd say, don't stand so close to me, you stinky. It should matter. And if I was in the elevator, I would say, if you want to defend the US you have to make sure that three things are secure. Here we go. You need a secure Arctic because it is opening up and the Chinese and the Russians are sailing there. You need to secure Atlantic because it is your sea, it is crucial. And you need to secure Europe because Russia is here reconstituting itself at an incredible pace. And not to attack Norway, but to attack also ultimately the US if the Arctic, if the Atlantic Ocean, if Europe is not secure, US has a big problem. Well, there you go, by the way, announced we're buying icebreakers and we're buying them from Finland. We haven't agreed on the price yet. But we're buying them. That's been announced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Why are we buying icebreakers? Shouldn't there be ice will be gone by 2013.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, John C. Dvorak, please, please, please. The ice has only increased. It's baffling everybody. This is what climate change does. All right, question number two. Aren't you people in the EU just a bunch of freeloaders?

[Nico Syme]

I'm assuming that's how you sold it to President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he sold. He had to sell it to me. I'm not working for him. No, I'm not working for him. He had to sell me. I was resisting. I said, donald, Donald, don't try to sell me. Just tell me with an elevator pitch what you want me to do.

[Nico Syme]

Who has conspicuously not been a very big fan of NATO and essentially views Europe, as he has mentioned in the past, as a bunch of freeloaders. He sees it as European nations basically funding their welfare states, you know, giving free health care, giving pensions at the expense of American defense. You think that view is fair?

[Adam Curry]

The second half of the view is fair, but the first half I would not buy into because I think that, that. And I'm pretty much confident. I'm very, very. I'm very confident. That's why I'm stuttering that. And I'm pretty much confident of the facts that the American President, Trump very much realizes his whole team. Based on my conversations when I was in Washington in March, when I was in April, when I had conversations last week in the Hague, because, you know, I have him on speed dial, I say, hey, Donald Trump, I'm going to send you a text.

[John C. Dvorak]

March, then April and then.

[Adam Curry]

And then in the Hague when I.

[John C. Dvorak]

We made, basically got an office there.

[Adam Curry]

We made a big splash. And I said, donald, I'm going to send you a WhatsApp and you're going to tell me what I want to do that for the US to stay strong and safe. There is this embeddedness with European security and of course, working together to keep the Indo Pacific safe. But I do agree with the second half. Did you hear about the Indo Pacific Saif? Because that's what NATO does. You know, Indo Pacific is North Indo Pacific Treaty Organization. There is this embeddedness with European security and of course working together to keep the Indo Pacific safe. But I do agree with the second half because there is this enormous irritant since Eisenhower with American presidents, and I think they're completely, completely right that Europeans were not paying enough and that where you are paying an average 3.5% of your GDP on defense, that Europeans were, well, struggling to get to 2% there. He has a big point. And luckily last week in the Hague, we solved that. Yes, we solved that by saying, what's this in your mouth? You're going to up the ante. Give us some three and a half percent. And I don't have daddy issues. I don't.

[Nico Syme]

Before we get into that substance, I'd like to talk a little bit bit about the style, because.

[Adam Curry]

Style.

[Nico Syme]

Your interactions with President Trump in the aftermath of that meeting have been called, and I'm quoting here, fawning and orchestrated grovel. I saw someone refer to NATO now as the North Atlantic Trump Organization. It's been a week of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never heard that one.

[Adam Curry]

I hadn't heard that one either. I liked it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I also like the term orchestrated groveling.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I hadn't heard that. But it's orchestrated. Well, it's Trump, you know, it's, it's all a show.

[Nico Syme]

President Trump, in the aftermath of that meeting have been called, and I'm quoting here, fawning an orchestrated grovel. I saw someone refer to NATO now as the North Atlantic Trump Organization. It's been a week.

[Adam Curry]

It's been a week.

[Nico Syme]

A lot of criticism. How do you see it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I see it completely different, of course, because he is my daddy. Well, let's face what is happening. There were seven or eight countries in Europe, not a 2%. This was the. So now it's 5%, the new benchmark. Do we really think that this would have been. We would have been able last week in the Hague to agree to that 5% if Trump would not have been reelected as President of the United States. So I think when somebody deserves praise, that praise should be given. And President Trump deserves all the praise because without his leadership, without him being reelected President of the United States, the 2% this year and the 5% in 2035, we would never, ever, ever have been able to achieve agreement on this. So put that in your head.

[Nico Syme]

I want to get to what exactly these numbers are and what they mean. But there are these two camps after this summit. You know, one said that you did what you did to sort of pacify President Trump's ego and have a successful summit, which you did. And the other says that while our president likes flattery, he ultimately sees it as weakness and it only appeases him for so long. I'm sure you've seen all this commentary afterwards.

[Adam Curry]

I was 14 years Prime Minister of the Netherlands, so I know. So I know what Bull crap is about criticism, but I don't care in the end. I need to do my job. I need to do my job for the military guys. I got ration breathing down my neck. I've got Boeing talking crap to me. I've got to do my job. I've got to sell, sell, sell, Daddy lady. I have to keep the whole of NATO together. And the biggest ally is United States. That biggest ally has paid since Eisenhower more than the Europeans. And now, for the first time in 65 years, we will equalize between what the US is paying and what the Europeans are paying. So. And without Trump, that would not have happened. And now you see it this. Oh, you got to listen to her little thing at point. This end there. I. I stepped on my own clip. Listen to what she does at the end. Ally is United States. That biggest ally has paid since Eisenhower more than the Europeans. And now, for the first time in 65 years, we will equalize between what the US is paying and what the Europeans are paying.

[John C. Dvorak]

So.

[Adam Curry]

And without Trump, that would not have happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So this is it NPR thing.

[Adam Curry]

It's NATO versus brics. That's just the bottom one. And right now, NATO is looking pretty strong and BRICS is looking pretty weak. The Chinese have completely withdrawn Moscow. Who knows where Putin's at, but he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not going to do it alone. I read there's another publication out there which I've been looking at, because what drew my attention to it is Facebook banning it. And it's out of India called Op India.

[Adam Curry]

Op India. Cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Op India. Yeah. I think it's opindia.com and they have nothing but. But these. I don't. I can't. I haven't put my finger on if it's a. If it's anti Hindi, if it's.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you have a Facebook account?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, There was in the. It got banned. It got news. I was looking. Okay, here's what. I went to Google News and said, facebook bans. Cause I heard that there's some new bans, okay. And they didn't show up because I guess I was reading an old feed or something, and then it had this thing about OP India, and I said, op India. What's OP India? And I clicked on the link and I went to the site, site. Next thing you know, I've discovered this kind of gold mine of screwball news from India. A very slick operation. This is not a slouch place. And in there, one of the articles was that how India is now the dominant character in brics.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Modi's taken over bricks and everybody's fallen by the wayside except India. So the. So this brings me back to the old thesis that we, the United States has always had this problem with India. That's why we would traditionally cited with Pakistan. And we used to sell our jets to Pakistan and India used to buy all its armaments from Russia. This was traditional forever until just recently, I think, especially during the first Trump administration where they kind of tried to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's when he went over to Modi and went to the stadium and all that stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Saw the big stadium full of people and said, oh, man, I can't get this many people.

[Adam Curry]

People.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a rally.

[Adam Curry]

This is a rally. Modi rally. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so he's, you know, so there's something up. And so you're right about bricks, but in India, and nobody wants this. Just like the Chinese, we talk about this as a. Sociologically that on this show we talk about how nobody really wants the Chinese to be your boss. You want to be. You want to be boss. Your boss to be an American or a boy Brit or somebody who knows how to manage people properly.

[Adam Curry]

You do not want a Chinese or Indians or Indian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indians could be worse.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I, I remember the stories Mo used to tell me when he was in corporate life, especially as a black American, he was definitely a minority to, to the Indian rulers of the technology company he worked at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'll bet.

[Adam Curry]

So just sticking with the EU for two more clips. There's something going on. One of our producers is in Hungary. He says, man, there's a lot happening right now. They're trying to get rid of Orban. Trying really, really hard. He had this guy, it's in the clip. I forget his name. He was, he was first. He was all in with Orban's party and now all of a sudden he flips over. He's anti Orban.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something is just one more dimension aside. Orban, they had the big gay rally in Hungary. Huge gay event that was against the law, basically. But they were going to do anything about it. Which brings me back again to OP India. There's a number of stories there about trans, trans, trans in India and trans flags, that pink and baby blue flag all over the place. There is something going on.

[Adam Curry]

Here's what's happening in Hungary.

[Nico Syme]

A day after European Union leaders of the 27 member bloc failed to reach a consensus on top jobs for EU Parliament, political parties across member nations are Mulling over which umbrella alliance they will join in the latest. Hungary's opposition party has decided to join European Parliament's EPP, or the European People People's Party bloc, which is a center right alliance.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are happy that the EPP group.

[Adam Curry]

Just voted in favor of our party. 97% of the EPP members supported joining the TISA party to the epp. We are a pro European party, as the Fides was some years ago.

[Nico Syme]

Tisa, the Hungarian opposition party, is led by Peter Magyar. The political newcomer, is seen as a threat to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, whose party used to once be a part of the EPP bloc. However, Orban's party parted ways with the alliance in 2021. Magyar, on the other hand, will be occupying a seat in EU Parliament as an mep. However, the opposition leader has emphasized that while being in Brussels helps strengthen the party's position, his focus remains on Hungary's elections in 2026.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're right, because I didn't have a clip of the. Of the LGBTQ plea plus pride, illegal pride demonstration in Hungary. But that's how you do it. That's. That's what we've done traditionally. It's like you and I think Europe is like, oh, this is great where we're going to. Because you know when you get the trans people and you get all the people who are just anti everything thing in and they're going to demonstrate and it looks big and Orban's in trouble. At least that's what I'm hearing from our producer in Hungary. Meanwhile, Queen Ursula is under fire. A vote of no confidence will be held this week. And this is still about the Pfizer deal, the secret text messages.

[John C. Dvorak]

This has haunted her.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Now this is the guy. I think he. I think he's from Romania, a member of European Parliament and he's spearheading this. He doesn't think it's going to happen this time, but he. They're definitely on the warpath against Queen Ursula.

[John C. Dvorak]

The European Commission has been targeted by a motion of censure in the European Parliament. The MEP should debate it on Monday and the confidence vote is scheduled for Thursday. Tabled by this Romanian mep, the motion of censure was signed by conservatives and the extreme right. His first argument concerns the Commission's refusal to disclose text messages during Fier Gate. The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg says that the European Commission should disclose those SMS which were exchanged between Frau.

[Adam Curry]

Von der lion and Burla from Pfizer.

[John C. Dvorak]

About the contract, a contract with a value of 35 billion euros. About the contract for the vaccines. Furthermore, the conservative MEP accuses the commission of mismanagement of funds for the post COVID 19 pandemic recovery plan. He also says that the commission would.

[Adam Curry]

Have funded NGOs to lobby MEPs with.

[John C. Dvorak]

The aim of promoting the European Green Pact. Accusations refuted by the Commission to be adopted and lead to the resignation of the College of Commissioners. The motion must secure 2/3 of the votes cast and the support of a majority of MEPs. There will be a vote against the motion. I'm sure of this because the majority is still there with Frau von der Leyen.

[Adam Curry]

And even in this majority there are.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of discontents against von der Leyen. They will not for the moment, force her to resign, but probably this will happen in six months.

[Adam Curry]

Six months. Frau von der Lion. I like that too. Instead of Queen Ursula. Frau von der Leyden. Oh, sorry, John. Crap. It's one of those days, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're back. You're back.

[John C. Dvorak]

All my commentary, there's funny one liners.

[Adam Curry]

I had the whole thing all gone. All lost in history. Yeah, just about COVID deals and the shots for a second. You probably haven't heard about this on the American mainstream media, which is mainly paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. So you might have missed this one from the fda.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's held up. It's completely held up by the pharmaceutical industry. The media would not be today's media if it wasn't for the. The fact that there are propped up. That's a better word, propped up by pharma.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, if, if, if pharma couldn't advertise and prop them up, my, my quad screen would be one screen. It would just be all over. Have one screen. BBC. Here is Dr. Vinay Prasad of the FDA with a short announcement, not an unimportant one.

[Nico Syme]

Thank you all for coming. I'm going to be discussing the safety label update for myocarditis associated with MRNA Covid vaccines, which we just put forward. This came out on June 25, 2025. The FDA approved a required updated warning, which is a class warning for all MRNA COVID 19 vaccines in conjunction with the manufacturers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to walk you through the.

[Nico Syme]

Updated warning and the basis for the warning. The updated safety label for the MRNA Covid vaccines harmonizes the age range across products and adds additional data about the adverse event of myocarditis and what we know. It's based on two factors. It's based first on the unadjusted crude incident rate from the 2023-2024 formulation. And it's also based on persistent and concerning cardiac.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr.

[Nico Syme]

Findings, this is the FDA analysis of the best system, which is an observational data system that captures myocarditis and pericarditis following immediately afterwards the first seven days COVID 19 MRNA vaccination. And what you see here is that even in 2023, 2024, the last year for which we have data, you see a rate of myo and pericarditis of 8 out of a million in all persons in this age range. And in the highest risk demographic group, young men between the ages of 12 and 24, it's about 27 per million. Notably, the best data set does not allow us to disambiguate the risk by product and as such, this is a class MRNA safety label.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Did not see that on my local news or my cable news. Or my cable news.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Myocarditis. And we had all these young men falling down. It's crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dropping dead.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Athletes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should always mention athletes.

[Adam Curry]

Athletes. Yeah, yeah. Sad, sad what they did to us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're still doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they'll continue doing it until they stop advertising on tv. And then at the end, that'll be the end of it. People can actually look into this stuff. I have this oddball clip I've been sitting on, which is CCP versus the USA Energy sector.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's have a go.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is a coordinated assault by the radical left, backed and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party, to seize control of our courts, to weaponize litigation against U.S. energy producers, all in order to undermine American energy dominance.

[Adam Curry]

Senators on Capitol Hill are looking into the Chinese Communist Party's influence campaigns against US Energy producers. Senator Ted Cruz accusing the Chinese Communist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party of funding climate advocacy groups that.

[Adam Curry]

Work to block these energy producers in courts, bankrupting them through financial and expensive litigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

If this is truly about reducing emissions, why isn't China investing that money in reducing its own pollution? Communist China emits more carbon than the United States and Europe combined.

[Adam Curry]

The lawsuits many times work to block oil and gas companies as well as coal companies here in the U.S. cruz says that these lawsuits are in the name of climate, but actually they're about controlling global energy, including favor of the ccp.

[John C. Dvorak]

The goal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, one panelist says that whether or not these companies know if they're benefiting the ccp, their actions work toward that goal, weakening the US Power Grid increasing the price of power and decreasing energy production. Hmm. Not sure I quite understood. Mainly because I'm so annoyed by Ted Cruz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what is happening is that it turns out that an investigation to all these lawsuits that prevent companies from drilling or doing this or doing that, there's all financed by the Chinese.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So they're financing a lot of the legal action taken against energy.

[Adam Curry]

Smoke, smokeless war. That's what they do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a way to do it. I mean, I, you have to get. If they can get away with it, which they apparently can, and that report wasn't clear enough.

[Adam Curry]

I see, I see. No, no, but I'm just Ted Cruz. He just puts his foot in his mouth all. It just sounds like his foot's in his mouth all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, which is kind of a shame because he was the debating champion. He thinks, I think he's taken himself so seriously as a, as a debater. He's a master debater.

[Adam Curry]

Master debater, yes, exactly. Nah. Yeah, it's just, I mean, remember when he, when he went on vacation during COVID Remember that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He took the jet down to Jamaica or wherever he went.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't blame him.

[Adam Curry]

No. But he, he is just a walking public relations nightmare that this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's play this clip on the migrants. This is a story that keeps unfolding. The South Sudan story. This is the latest plane carrying people.

[Nico Syme]

Deported by the Trump administration has arrived in South Sudan after the migrants lost a last ditch legal effort to halt their transfer. Officials say only one is from South Sudan.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we're sending people to Sudan.

[John C. Dvorak]

South Sudan, South Sudan. So I'm thinking, you know, both, I think the throwing people out of the airplane into the drink and sending them to South Sudan, which they got sued over and the suit got lifted, so they sent a bunch of people to South Sudan. Of course, then there's always a Costa Rica prison.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think a lot of this is just, I think it's the Trump administration's version of promotion. If you can convince these illegals that if they get reshackled and brought on an airplane, they're going to get tossed in the Atlantic. Atlantic. They're going to start self deporting. This could be a giant op. I'll use the term again for the third time in the show. A giant op to get people to self deport by scaring him with phony baloney. You know, mythical stories about, oh, you're going to end up in South Sudan. Who the hell wants to end up in South Sudan? If you came from, you know, Mexico, let's say, or any place, Haiti even.

[Adam Curry]

Or you don't want to go to Alligator and you don't want to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the Alligator place and you don't want to get thrown out of an airplane alive.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. I heard that over a million people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have self deported supposedly and not all using the program. Many have just left.

[Adam Curry]

Right. But if you use the customs and border patrol home app to self deport. They give you a thousand dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they give you a thousand dollars. And there's been no evidence that they're not giving them the thousand dollars when they arrive.

[Adam Curry]

Right. When. Yeah, once you're back, there's not one.

[John C. Dvorak]

There has been one feedback story again, making me think that this is all part of a scheme because you'd think that somebody, some Democrats say, oh, they, they just trick them into leaving and they'd over give them the money. That's what they said at the beginning of the program. If you recall, the Democrats came up with that bull crap. And so they've been giving and obviously giving him the money money. So I think that's. I take advantage of that if I was worried sick.

[Adam Curry]

You know, one of my buddies here, Shane, he's an electrician, he used to live in Florida. He's been in the hill country about as long as we are. And, and he tells me all kinds of stories about. So he, he hires legals and he doesn't, he doesn't mess around, this guy. But he said that all work in Boot Range Ranch. You should look up Boot ranch. It's about 20 minutes from Fredericksburg. The average price of a home in boot ranch is $8 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boot ranch.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, and they've got golf courses.

[John C. Dvorak]

What town is it associated with?

[Adam Curry]

With the town of Boot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll live in Boot. What?

[Adam Curry]

Boot. Just look at Boot Ranch. And, and there are. Now no one is building anymore. And he said, you know the reason why this like I was out there with my guys and you know, they're doing some electrical work and, and all of a sudden, you know, a pickup truck goes by and they're honking their horn. Beep beep, beep, beep, beep beep beep beep beep. Ice, ice, ice, ice, ice. And like everybody just like all these guys just split. Just for days they were gone. And it wasn't true. There was no ice raid on Boot Ranch.

[John C. Dvorak]

But man, there's some nice houses. I just went to images.

[Adam Curry]

That place is insane.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's some houses there that, that are.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Oh Yeah, I told you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean really.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. And I'm grateful for Boot Ranch because that's why we have a rockin airport here. You know, it's small but you can land your G4. So we got good services because of Boot Ranch. But yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's a crazy. Here's a place that's some of the size of the swimming pools are the size of a small lake.

[Adam Curry]

I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a flyover.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, nuts. Look at the price.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does this ever come about a.

[Adam Curry]

Boot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some Whoever's behind Boot Ranch? The promoter, the developer. Yeah, that's the guy you want to know.

[Adam Curry]

I'll find him and give him a call.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should. I mean that's a guy. That guy is a genius.

[Adam Curry]

Most of us Fredericksburg people don't really mix with the Boot Ranch people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wouldn't looking at their houses. I wouldn't mix with too many people. Mix with each other. Mix. Maybe somebody in Palm beach and some.

[Adam Curry]

Key parties, but that's about it. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the C's in the CCP lawsuit. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. Morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

You Mr. Adam Curry in the morning. Our ship Sea boost on the ground feeding the air subs in the water and the dames and knights out there in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

For the trolls in the troll room. How are we doing? All right. Now, what is average for a Sunday?

[John C. Dvorak]

24, 25.

[Adam Curry]

What do you think it is today? 20, 26, 74.

[John C. Dvorak]

That makes no sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know what? It's raining. Not everywhere, but it's raining. And fourth of July is over. Everyone's sick of their family. It's hung over. Hung over by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they didn't donate, that's for sure. We only had a total of donations over 50 bucks. 29 people total out of out of a million listeners and 30,000 people in mailing list.

[Adam Curry]

If you look at Twitter, that's. That's because of our stance on Israel. That's just the beginning. It's just the beginning. It's all going downhill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well then where's the Jew money that we're looking for?

[Adam Curry]

And they wonder why donations are down.

[John C. Dvorak]

They wonder all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Oh man. Well, I'm not even going to read them to you. It's not, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, come on.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do people put the effort in to say stuff like this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know I think a lot of them are bots. There's definitely bots at work on my time.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think there's that many bots.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think there's. There's a lot more than.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are the bots writing us? We're like small potatoes. Go write somebody over at.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the bots are practicing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so they're. They're workshopping with us?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're training the models here. I'll just, I'll just go through some stuff. Do you guys still ignore all of Trump's insanity to cherry pick some left wing criticism? That's a good one. That's Larry Underwood.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that. I like. That's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Where Larry Underwood. The second.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know people personally that would feel that way. Yeah, sure. Trump is literally insane and he's got insanities and he's a criminal.

[Adam Curry]

Let's see. We're scrolling down the timeline. Okay. Well, not that much. No, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

But considering our audience, we don't get as many complaints as you think.

[Adam Curry]

I'm stuck at 98,9800 people for forever. Oh, here's one. You're a disgusting demon and need to seek mental help. That's a favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you a disgusting demon that needs mental help?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

What demon like thing did you do?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I don't know. Okay, let's see. Adam Curry. Since I've often promoted no Agenda podcast. Podcast. Not the. But no Agenda podcast. Who is this? Tay. Oh, Tay is from China with 200.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody from China. I'll try it.

[Adam Curry]

Since I've often promoted no Agenda podcast, I now post this disgusting retarded, anti Christian quote from no Agendas. Adam Curry. If you go after the Jews, Israel, you automatically go after the Christians because that's exactly what happened between Tucker and Ted Cruz. Cruz. I don't think that's exactly what I said. But what I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's convoluted.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Ted Cruz Jewish?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think there were some. There were some really nasty ones about the flood. Like, let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, people are sick.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, they're. They're very, very sick. I'm waiting for. This is a. I'm trying. There was a good one here. That was. Oh, man, people post a lot of junk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you're going through your Twitter timeline.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought you were getting emails.

[Adam Curry]

Here it is. I hope their house gets what they ignore. Happened to Gaza. If there's a God, he would strike bad People like curry with lightning, but God is fake and curry is faking being a Christian. And I must have effed kids on camera and become part of the blackmail Israel lobby. Okay, so there you go. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who was that person?

[Adam Curry]

That. Well, that was megatronic mechatronic. Mechatronic, that sounds like has seven followers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seven followers. Probably eight now. Well, when you see that seven followers sending some random note like that. That is a bot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Of course there's lots of bots. I mean, there's going to be nothing left of bots. It's bots making YouTube videos and bots watching the YouTube videos and somehow YouTube making money on it. That's really what's going to happen. It's amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we had a good idea over dinner. I think J.C. had this idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is the fireworks displays. You know, there's competitors, especially in China, are the drones. The drone displays where they're flying around and making images and stuff. How about. I think this would draw a big crowd. Drones all equipped with Roman candles trying to shoot each other down out of the sky. I'd watch that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know, you. I can't even get you to do a microphone company. Now. We're going to do drones with Roman candles.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the microphone company is still in play.

[Adam Curry]

Please. Christopher Brown actually sent us a very reasonable exit strategy idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's already too late. Isn't the special been done? We can't even do these anymore.

[Adam Curry]

It's a little device that looks like a compressed air can that clips onto your belt or your purse. It connects to your smartphone and uses advanced AI to automatically remove your daily CO2 emissions from the surrounding air. And of course, you'll have to have some blockchain verification in there, and you can dress it up in an LGBTQ flag. Once you get home, you can hook it up to a storage device. It will be collected regularly and buried safely in Africa. I kind of like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a great idea. You might as well get on board.

[Adam Curry]

And think of the carbon credits we can get from for that. Yeah, I mean, you could give those away with what the. You know, the carbon credits are going to be worth. It's going to be dynamite. Anyway, thank you trolls, for being here. It's nice to have you with us. They're listening to us@trollroom IO, perhaps on a modern podcast app, which you could find at podcast apps plural.com. and we are value for value. You already surmised that, I'm sure. Value for value means from time to Time when you're like, you know, I got some value out of that show. I sat around with over two and a half thousand people.

[Nico Syme]

People.

[Adam Curry]

And I listened to it. You know, that was kind of good. I laughed, I cried, I got mad. I learned something. I got a good stock tip, which would just be incidental and coincidental since we don't give stock tips. Anything. I learned a little bit about the history of Texas. You know, maybe I could sound a bit smarter around my friends, all my QAnon friends who are sending you videos and links and. Oh, this I. This guy's spot on. He's got it. The guy who said had, you know, it took up some houses. That guy. He is spot on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, before you continue, I. I stumbled on the Boot Ranch. One of the pages of inventory of houses.

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple. There's like 12 or 15 for sale right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a lot. Actually, a lot more than that. I. I'm counting at least 20 or 30.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there were four. I'd say the average price is 4 million, not 8. But if you go to the high end, 13 million. 13 million 556. It's not cheap, but these houses are huge.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. They're like 20,000 square feet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, some. The big ones.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then there's raw land you can buy. Here's Raw Land. 1.2.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. For like a quarter. Quarter acre.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, something like that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's some more. Here's cheap raw land for eight.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, so if you're in the market for a house at Boot Ranch and you're listening to the show, consider sending us a little value back, a donation. Just learned about a great place to live. We got an airstrip nearby. You got the. The cute little town of Fredericksburg to hang out in. And you can say you live in Fredericksburg when you really don't. You live in Boot Ranch in the county of Boot. Boot. Boot, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, there's a lot of them with Fredericksburg address. Here's a place for 13 7. And it's on Boot Ranch Circle. And it says Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, there it is. Unincorporated. The HOA fees must be outrageous. Oh, more than my rent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody should ever be in an hoa. I've never lived in. In one, I never will. I think it's dumb. You're throwing money away.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. We don't have an hoa. But of course, you can't tell the neighbors to tie their dogs up or stop shooting fireworks on my lawn. We Solve that. Those things differently here.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's other ways of doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, we want to thank the artists who brought us the artwork under the Value for value model for episode 1778. We titled that three holes, one one bag. And we went back and forth a lot because we are kind of traditionalists when it comes to artwork for holidays like Christmas and Easter and the Fourth of July. And Nessworks, who is a real artist, made us a nice piece of an exploding firecracker, which had his kind of trademark imagery on there. And ITM blast and a big explosion. It had all the elements. It was. It popped on the page. You know, it looked good, particularly on a white page background. And I don't think. Well, actually, if I recall, we did go back and forth quite a bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we started with American Freedom, the Chevy that was dragging his ass.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we didn't like the dragging.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Chevy driving the rear wheel was in the dirt.

[Adam Curry]

It didn't feel right to us.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was bad.

[Adam Curry]

You were going for the kids on the bike, which was like. No, it looked like a. Like a Disney. Disney drawing. A Disney cartoon. Didn't like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The kids on the bike.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, like the fourth bike parade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the fourth bike raid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wasn't going for it that much.

[Adam Curry]

See, I like the no Agenda fireworks by Blue Acorn. I thought that was nice. No Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

I used Lady Liberty for the newsletter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we did talk about that one. That was also nice. Nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the interesting one here is the Darren o' Neill who's been doing the AI art longer than anybody else. He's got a piece next to ITM Blast, which is the one we picked, called Bad Adam. And it is just the dimension. There's no color range whatsoever.

[Adam Curry]

Tell me, what comic strip does that look like?

[John C. Dvorak]

Archie.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Nailed it. It's completely derivative of the Archie comics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Except for the color colors.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No, there's no luminance. Now, the one we both liked, and if it wasn't 4th of July, we would have chosen NASA Girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like NASA Girl a lot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Darren did that. It's a little girl popping out of a box.

[Adam Curry]

That was good. We both. If it wasn't Fourth of July, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Laughed out loud with that one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, NASA Girl would have been a winner for sure. And obviously there's tons more AI art for today. It's ruined everything. That's great. We have exactly one end of show mix, and it's a piece of AI. It's a. Is it. No one sends a show, and yet show Mixes will end. I got a note from someone saying it's going to ruin the show. So I don't think it's going to ruin the show, but it'll ruin the mix segment of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing's. Well, the mix section is ruining itself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think guys who were the creative song guys that used to do the mixes and they do derivative stuff and funny stuff and, you know, they throw it into a corridor and, you know what happened?

[Adam Curry]

What happens is, you know, they're just tired. They're tired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's amazing that we can do the show at the high level that we continue to proceed with. And I think that has nothing else except. There's nothing else to do with any one thing. Except. Except we never went to the third show.

[Adam Curry]

I think we did one or two, three third shows. I'm pretty sure we did at least one third.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nope. We just kept promising. Just classic promise and never delivered.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, like every other thing we promised. Like the microphone company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like the Hema underwear.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Like the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The video microphone's coming.

[Adam Curry]

That microphone's never coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

As soon as the tariff thing is worked out, we're done. And microphones.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, now you're blaming it on tariffs. This happened before Trump was even elected. The microphones I saw. Please. You were talking. You weren't even thinking Trump was talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go on to some other topics.

[Adam Curry]

I've been using the Curry one microphone for over a year and a half.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And people love the sound of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a good sounding, sounding product. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great product.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's an outstanding product. All right. Thank you very much, nessworks. We appreciate you. And now we're going to thank our producers who sent us some value. We thank everybody who sends financial time, talent, treasure, donations, $50 and above. And this is the executive and associate executive producer segment, where anybody with $200, not only do we read your note, but we'll also give an associate executive producer credit, which is a real credit, just like our PhDs in media deconstruction. And you can put this credit on the IMDb, you can put it on your letterhead, you can use it in Hollywood, and if anyone complains or questions it, we will vouch for you personally on the phone. If three. If you have three. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we will.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. If you have $300 or more, then you get an executive producer credit. And we will also read your note. And we kick it off with Kent Oler, who's from Hockley, Texas. And Kent, now this is a belated 17.76.76. He missed the 4th of July, but still coming in in the 4th of July weekend. Thank you very much, Kent. A beautiful, beautiful donation. And he says, thank you for your courage. Please knight me, Sir Tardy. The delayed. My late brother hit me in the mouth way too long ago to admit. So could you please deduce me you've been de douched. And he would like a build bat, build back, better jingle and F35 karma. And he says, God bless. Thank you from Kent. It's more than a jingle. Freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

For someone else.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, thank you, Jeff Smith.

[Nico Syme]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was an example of the kind of material we used to have people produce that has now been replaced by AI for the. Because of the lack of.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's the Jeff Smith who. I don't even know if he listens anymore. He's in Nashville, he's on tour, he's a working musician. But whenever I say, hey, Jeff, can you help me out? Right away, he drops everything, jumps into a studio and makes it. And we love him for that. And that is there's a professional. One of the few we have left, Sir Jeff.

[John C. Dvorak]

A different one in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. 333. 33. And he writes itm. Please put me on the birthday list for 7 9. We got you. Thank you for your courage, Sir Jeff Baron of PA Route 33 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

[Adam Curry]

All right, congratulations. The Indianapolis no Agenda June meetup, Greenwood, Indiana. $300. This is a switcheroo for the raffle donation winner. So this goes to Adam Ketterman. And Adam Ketterman will put that in right now. He will be an executive producer for this episode. Greetings, sirs. I just recently had the pleasure of attending the Indianapolis no Agenda meetup and had some met some great open and fun people. I won the raffle, therefore sending it back into the cause. Thank you. Just started listening and I really appreciate the deep dives into topics that really concern all of us. Deep dive. I look forward to upcoming content and getting to know the locals better. And he says, do you still have Good to be here Bro to play? Well, of course we do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good to be here, bro.

[Adam Curry]

It's Fauci.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we have Land Lavender blossoms. Our Buddy in Northville, Michigan, 22722. Adam, did you knock over the rain stick?

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Sir Cal did it. He said it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I hope all is well. Stay dry. Sir Cal of lavenderblossoms.org yes.

[Adam Curry]

Hope all is well there, Sir Cal. Dame Shelley's in Grand Forks, North Dakota. 212 70. That is Associate Executive Producer, she says. Happy birthday Sir Chadwick on July 8th. Love from your sister, Dame Shelley. Oh how sweet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linda Lou Patkin. We're all already there. 200 bucks. Lakewood, Colorado jobs K for a resume that tells your story, highlights your wins, and shows why you're unique. Visit ImageMakers Inc.com for your resume. For a resume that gets results, that's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning Resumes.

[Nico Syme]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Karma.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have one more final Anonymous in Seattle, Washington. $200 and Anonymous says. I thought the pride flag represented tolerance and compassion. Huh? You know actually this brings me to a bonus clip. A bonus clip. This is a clip that was doing the round. Several people sent it to me. A user on X known as Ringo Starr. Not to be confused with the Beatle Ringo Starr. And this is finally one of our gays saying hey, enough already. And I just love this guy. I thought he was hilarious in how he presented his argument and his case. You might not like the truth, but I'll never tell a lie. The LGBT community community needs a divorce from the TQ plus. Not a separation, not a break, a full blown court stamped assets divided move out by Friday Divorce. Because we need to make something very very clear here lgb, that's just sexual preference. Yeah. Me as a guy, I just like other guys. That's it. Not a pronoun party and not a gender celebration celebration. Just good old fashioned same sex attraction. That's it. Now the TQ plus. Oh, that's not a sexual preference. No no no. That is an identity crisis center with a revolving door. You walk in as she her and come out as a two spirited they them Dragon king. LGB says love is love.

[Nico Syme]

The TQ plus says yeah, I'm a.

[Adam Curry]

Non binary lesbian with a penis and if you you don't date me you're a bigot. I'm sorry but when did being gay turn into navigating someone else's delusions? Yeah, I didn't sign up for that shit.

[Nico Syme]

We used to fight for acceptance.

[Adam Curry]

Now we're being guilt tripped into co signing on someone's fantasy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Let me tell you something. I didn't come out of the closet just to be shoved in another one. I know the difference between a man and a woman. So yes, the LGB wants a divorce Stats. There you go. Finally someone standing. I like the I didn't come out of the closet just to be shoved back into another one. That's a good line.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good line.

[Adam Curry]

Like that. All right, thank you very much to the executive and associate executive producers for episode 1779 of the no Agenda Show. We'll be thanking the rest of our donors $50 and above. You can always support the show by going to no agenda donations dot com. We take PayPal. You can use your credit card with stripe. You can send cash if you want. Gold coins. We take it all to our P.O. box. Go to Noagendadon to find out more. Thank you again to these executive and associate executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good to be here, bro.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up. Up, slave. Let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got some public service stuff here. We can play the Pfast stories.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, funny. I have the Pfast stories as well. Where do you have them from? I have them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have them from npr.

[Adam Curry]

This is interesting. I have them from cbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we should play CBS first and then npr.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. How many? Just see.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of a sudden when they show up like this is going.

[Adam Curry]

On, something's going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like three holes, one bag.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go. CBS the house will come to order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minnesotans call it Amara's Law, named for Amara Strandi. And starting this year, it's America's strictest state law policing pfas, chemical compounds found in everyday products such as nonstick cookware and cosmetics, and linked to childhood cancers and other health issues.

[Nico Syme]

It's in products, it's in humans, it's in animals, it's in air, it's in water, it's in fish.

[John C. Dvorak]

Katrina Kessler heads Minnesota's pollution control agency.

[Nico Syme]

We all need to think about exposure to PFAS and also ways to mitigate PFAS.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how Strandi helped expose Minnesota's PFAS problem.

[Nico Syme]

2022 was the year my cancer became unstoppable.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was 20 and dying of liver cancer when she testified before lawmakers.

[Nico Syme]

PFAS have created a public health crisis that has plagued my community for nearly 60 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minnesota's new law will reduce, then eliminate the manufacture and sale of non essential pfas products by 2032. 3M, a multinational corporate headquartered near Minneapolis, developed PFAS and manufactured them for decades. According to the state, PFAS waste discarded into landfills, leached into local groundwater.

[Nico Syme]

Don't drink the 3M cancer water became the running joke at my high school.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no definitive proof PFAS caused Amara's Cancer. But she was convinced and inspired lawmakers to act.

[Adam Curry]

So why don't I play your PFAS Clip 1, then I'll play my Clip 2, and then you your clip too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'd be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Let's see what happens.

[Nico Syme]

Pfas, or forever chemicals are everywhere in our daily lives. Manufactured chemicals show up in our food, our water.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[Nico Syme]

Consumer products. And they are.

[Adam Curry]

It's the same script are inside of us now.

[Nico Syme]

Scientists in the UK say we may be able to harness our gut microbiome to eliminate at least some of these chemicals from our bodies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute.

[Adam Curry]

Gut microbiome? I'm thinking that Ozempic can solve this.

[Nico Syme]

NPR's Will Stone explains.

[Adam Curry]

These PFAS chemicals, and there are thousands of them, show up in the blood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of virtually every American.

[Adam Curry]

Their effect on our health isn't fully understood, but research has found links to cancer, cardiovascular disease, decreased fertility, and other harms. Kiran Patil is a professor of molecular systems biology at the University of Cambridge, Cambridge.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says there's no easy way to get rid of them.

[Adam Curry]

They're forever chemicals because it's very difficult to attack them chemically. Scientists are exploring how to remove them from our environment, for example, using harsh chemicals or intense heat. But of course, you know, we can't apply this process to human bodies to get rid of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is why Patil turned to the bacteria in our gut microbiome.

[Adam Curry]

His team has identified certain strains that have a remarkable ability to suck, sop up these chemicals to kind of act as a sponge and soak them up inside and store them inside. Images from his lab show this clearly. Clusters of PFAS molecules stashed in the bacterial cells. The research was published in the journal Nature Microbiology Today. Patil's lab ran experiments with mice. Their microbiomes were first colonized by these bacteria strains from the human gut.

[John C. Dvorak]

The scientists saw the bacteria absorb the.

[Adam Curry]

Pfas, and the animals eventually cleared it when they went to the bathroom. Well, this is interesting. So CBS is all over 3m and the poor girl with cancer, and NPR is talking about solutions. Back to cbs.

[Nico Syme]

I was exposed to these harmful chemicals through no fault of my own, and as a result, I will die with this cancer.

[John C. Dvorak]

3M told us it supports regulations based on the best available science and established regulatory protection practices. The company will stop producing PFAS by the end of this year and agreed to pay the state $850 million for a PFAS cleanup. And now Minnesota has a PFAS law because a dying woman told her story so well.

[Adam Curry]

One person can make a difference. You just have to have the willingness to fight the good fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amara Strandi died five weeks before the bill became. Became law.

[Adam Curry]

Uplifting story from cbs. We go back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Before I play second half, did anyone ask her if she got vax? This happened in 2022. Just wondering. I mean, I want to throw in a variable here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow. No, no, no. Okay, back to your second clip. This natural PFAS removal process, which we did not know before this study. Right. Patil says the next step is to launch clinical trials in humans to see whether probiotics can increase the amount of these PFAS hungry bacteria. He and his collabor started a company to do this. I think this is a really important finding. Andrew Patterson is a researcher at Penn State who works on PFAS in the gut microbiome. He says the findings open up a tantalizing possibility. But everything gets a lot more complicated when you jump from mice to humans. How do you increase those beneficial bacteria through probiotics?

[Nico Syme]

I mean, that's quite challenging.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not to mention there are many PFAS.

[Adam Curry]

Chemicals and some could act differently. This certainly teases at that possibility that there's therapeutic benefits.

[Nico Syme]

I think without the human trials, it's.

[Adam Curry]

Probably still, you know, a little premature.

[Nico Syme]

To make that assessment.

[Adam Curry]

But Patterson agrees the research offers a new direction and some hope for tackling a growing problem. That's interesting. Why? There's two completely different PFAs stories in the same week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, by the way, MSNBC for some reason has. They're doing podcasts now on television. Television. Rachel Maddow is on Nicole Wallace's podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're each in their broadcasting because they can't get Rachel Maddow to come in but once a week. So now there's cheating.

[Adam Curry]

Well, wait, no. Nicole Wallace is also at home. She. Now she has a nicer home. Who's that dude? Oh, no, that's. That is in fact Rachel Maddow. So Rachel Maddow, sorry. Rachel Maddow has. Has like a, a homemade booth with, with sound absorbing material around her and she's got. They both have their cans on. This is odd. They're like, hey, Joe Rogan has a great formula. This is what we're. This is probably what the new company's going to be. Just a bunch of podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcasts all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, podcasts on tv. Why not? Cheap. It's the way to go, huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a cheap production, there's no doubt about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and it's so interesting to watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, God.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, you remember the music summer of music, the fest, the party of music in France where all the girls got pricked with needles?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There's a follow up.

[Adam Curry]

There's a follow up and it's very interesting.

[Nico Syme]

Do you remember the headlines about syringe attacks during Fete de la Musique in France? While people on social media have been talking about being pricked with needles, not a single case has been confirmed yet, according to an investigation by French newspaper Le Monde. And experts say that's a common issue with needles spiking. But what actually happened? Days before the annual music festival took place across France at the end of June, calls to jab women with needles during the festival circulated on social media. In response, videos popped up warning people about such attacks. After the evening of the festival, about 145 cases of needle spiking were reported across France. Most of the cases involved young women. Some said they experienced intense and sudden fatigue and feared that they had been injected with a substance. Le Mons investigation states that police arrested more than a dozen suspects without any charges being laid. Several have since been released, some because of a lack of evidence, while. While other cases are still being investigated, the newspaper reported that doctors examined 22 women who said that they had been jabbed but found no evidence of needle prick injuries or any psychoactive substances. Some cases turned out to be mosquito bites, according to the newspaper. The chair of a French parliamentary inquiry into TikTok said that videos warning against such attacks can spread fear around something that is extremely marginal. But this year's incident incident is not the first of its kind. In 2022, people in France reported hundreds of cases of needle spiking at concerts, bars or nightclubs. But in most of them, no substance had been detected.

[Adam Curry]

Social contagion. Yeah, how about that?

[John C. Dvorak]

And social. I don't want to, I hate saying it, but luckily women, it's young women.

[Adam Curry]

They'Re most susceptible to it. That's what you're going to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but not your men mention it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Young women are very susceptible to social contagion. It's part of their subculture.

[Adam Curry]

It's part of their DNA.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's part of their DNA. It's part of their DNA.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Makes sense. People should, they want to understand this fully. Look up, go to Wikipedia.

[Adam Curry]

June bug. June bugs. June bugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look up the June bug contagion. That was a good one.

[Adam Curry]

One, yeah, that's that. You know, it makes sense. There were videos circulating on Tick Tock and then people felt in intense fatigue, which is what happens when you're doing power of suggestion.

[John C. Dvorak]

MDMA area suggestion plus plus mdma. MDMA equals oh, I got pricked by a needle.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So no one actually felt being pricked by a needle, but they're like, oh, I feel tired all of a sudden. I must have been pricked by a needle. What's that? Oh, no, I got pricked. Oh, it's a mosquito bite. That's very powerful stuff when you think about it. How can we turn that into a giving moment for no agenda?

[John C. Dvorak]

How can we turn into an exit strategy?

[Adam Curry]

Speak. Speaking of Paris, this will really get you sick. Remember, we have a heat wave, a heat dome over Europe.

[Nico Syme]

Now, would you or would you not like to take a dip in the Seine? That's the question Parisians are asking each other. This is as the river opens up to legal public swimming for the first time in over a century. As you see there, the first bathers have already taken the plunge in central Paris near the Notre Dame Cathedral. Let's hear what they had to say. I'm so surprised. I thought the water would be freezing. Super cold, but it's quite warm, actually. I thought it would be cold like seawater, but it's warmer. That's amazing. Two other swimming sites are due to open. One in eastern Paris near the Finance Ministry and another near the Eiffel tower. That's where France 24 Tennis Saha is standing by Tanisha. And Hidalgo has made good on her promise to open the Seine up to swimming. How are things shaping up where you are? Are Parisians showing up?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Alison, everyone is gearing up, as.

[Adam Curry]

You can see right behind me. As you might know, there have been weeks of intense heat in the French capital with Parisians looking for another way to cool off. And the opening of these three dedicated sites on the river sand is sure to serve to that purpose. So there's a health crisis in Paris because of the heat. So let's just throw them in the sand. That'll help it. That won't make them sick. Oh, my goodness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I saw that story a hundred years.

[Adam Curry]

People have not. And all of a sudden. Oh, don't worry, it's. Remember all the swimmers in the Olympics?

[John C. Dvorak]

For the Olympics, supposedly.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. They were puking right after the ring race. They were all puking.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that wasn't just from the opening ceremony.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're on a roll here. That's two. Two to nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might as well play these stories. This is the North Korea bull crap story of all time.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is on pbs. So that makes sense. This week federal prosecutors charged four North Korean national with scheming to get hired by a US company as remote workers and then steal nearly $1 million in cryptocurrency. It's a relatively new North Korean threat. Operatives using fake IDs and credentials to infiltrate American businesses. Freelance investigative reporter Bobby Johnson explained how and why they're doing it in a Wired magazine article headlined North Korea stole your job Bobby. It's more than jobs that North Korea is after. Why are they doing doing this? So the reason for this scam is really to earn money and from well compensated jobs in the US and in the west and send it straight back to Kim Jong Un and his regime to fund various things from the nuclear weapons program to his personal slush fund and other government operations. North Korea is really under pressure because of sanctions, so they can't make money through normal means. What is this this and what does cryptocurrency have to do with it?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's funny you should ask because the story go I only got one more clip because I couldn't take it anymore. It's bull crap story there ever was. And this guy from Wired, you know, is just making up, making stuff up basically. But it goes on and on and they never, they story concludes there's no crypto angle at the end.

[Adam Curry]

They just threw it in there for no good reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I guess to get your attention. It got my, my attention but they go on and I guess people have gone on and they got fake IDs and they're trying to work for these tech companies, home, home jobs. And according to this guy, they, they get a laptop and delivered to their home, which is a middleman someplace in Minnesota, who then ships it off to Korea or keeps it or makes a copy and the Korea guy does the work. And this whole thing, it's ludicrous. And then somehow it's propping up North Korea.

[Adam Curry]

They also access computer systems, steal data, potentially plant malware or other dangerous software so that they can in the future do ransomware attacks as we've seen in the past. And what kind of jobs are we talking about and what kind of companies? As we all saw from the pandemic, you know, a lot of jobs went remote, but one of the widest ranging is software engineering. And so this is a place where people are very used to, to, over, over a long period of time for hiring remote workers who get the job done. They're coding websites, they're building apps, they're making kind of doing all The IT and technical stuff. And so these are really the target jobs for these operatives in job interviews. How do these guys disguise who they really are and where they really are? Yeah, so we'll. We'll go through the scam a little bit. So what they do is, first of all, they steal an identity. So they get hold of something, someone's id, their personal details, their Social Security number, they make a resume up that says, you know, they know how to do this, they know how to do that, they know how to code websites, whatever it is that the jobs are requiring. They'll then get on to an interview talking over a video like this. They'll use all manner of tools at their disposal to try and pass that interview. So they will have an AI that generates a script for them. So the interviewer asks a question, the AI is listening. It will create a script that the person. Person can then read back and sound relatively fluent or knowledgeable. And particularly help them get over their difficulties with English. Because these North Korean operatives, although they've been trained, they're not native English speakers and they're not kind of who they say they are. So they're trying to pretend. But they'll also do stuff like if they're asked to do software tests or coding tests, they'll use AI or programmatic tools to kind of cheat those tests and look like they're better than they are. And then when they get the job, that's when things get even more complicated and they. They have to bring in other people to help them succeed. Well, this. That was a like, filler content.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was highlighted on the PBS web page. And I said, oh, let me look at it. And by the way, I. Again, I went on forever with all these details about using AI, and it went on and on and on, and I. So it was highlighted. Well, this has got to be interesting. And I got these two clips, and I real. What you just said.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Filler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Filler crap. Yeah, Dumb stories.

[Adam Curry]

My time with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I intended on doing that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, good job. By the way, this the best people with Nicole Wallace. I'm not joking. They're doing podcasts on msnbc.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how you save money.

[Adam Curry]

They're still yapping together. Hashtag best people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure. Sure. It's just so entertaining because Nicole Wallace, she's a brainiac. And you have crying. What's her name? Always in tears. Crying. Rachel. Has got to be some rhyme I can make. That would explain it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. That is very. That's like reverse. Anyway, let's do some tech news. This caught my eye because this is quite a lot of layoffs.

[Nico Syme]

Breaking news out of a Microsoft.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, John. Breaking. Breaking.

[Nico Syme]

Breaking news out of a Microsoft headquarters in Redmond. The company now confirms thousands of workers are being laid off. Microsoft began sending out layoff notices this morning. Just over 9,000 workers will be losing their jobs, including nearly 2300 local employees here in Washington. This is the company's second mass layoff in recent years. Months in May, Microsoft laid off 6,000 workers company wide, including 2,000 here in Washington.

[Adam Curry]

Dude, that's a lot of people. What's going on with that?

[John C. Dvorak]

They're the way it's being played.

[Adam Curry]

Co pilots taking over their jobs. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No. H1B guys. Oh, they're really. The layoff. They're laying off a bunch of what they consider deadwood over paid mature workers. People have moved up the ladder. They're getting paid too much. So they're going to bring a bunch of H1B Indians in and have them take. Take those jobs. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Cheap. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's how you do it.

[Adam Curry]

That's what Satya Nadella would do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So what are the rules? Have Those relaxed for H1B workers? Has it gotten easier?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all I know. That might not even be true, but that's what I'm led to believe.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm definitely not upgrading to Windows 11 now. I don't trust it. Do you remember the lawsuits? The AI copyright case?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we had a number of clips on it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, my favorite part is the part where they're going to. The lawsuit goes against both the. The corpus and against the person that asks or the output.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a non starter, says the judge.

[Nico Syme]

While the AI wars continue to escalate between tech giants, groups of creatives have been pushing back. And now, in a win for Big Tech, a judge has dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by 13 authors against Meta over AI training. The group included big names like comedian Sarah Silverman, novelist Jones Jacqueline Woodson, and journalist Ta Nehisi Coates. They accused Meta of illegally using their copyrighted works to train its flagship generative AI model, Llama. But instead of the declaration that Meta violated copyright law, the judge ruled the plaintiff's arguments weren't strong enough to move forward. According to a copy of the ruling obtained by Courthouse News, the judge stated the dismissal doesn't mean Meta's actions were lawful, only that the plaintiffs made the wrong arguments and failed to develop a record in support of the right one, the judge said a potentially winning argument was barely mentioned. The author's lawyers didn't present evidence on how Meta's AI might flood the market with copycat content from the real authors. In a statement to the Associated Press, the lawyers representing the authors disagreed with the decision, saying in part, the court ruled that AI companies that feed copyrighted, protected works into their models without getting permission from the copyright holders or paying them are generally violating the law. Yet despite the undisputed record of Meta's historically unprecedented pirating of copyrighted works, the court ruled in Meta's favor. Meta argues users of Llama don't have access to the actual copyrighted works and that there's no evidence anyone has used the system to retrieve them or substitute their work for the authors. The judge also clarified that this ruling only affects this specific case, not other ongoing cases or those who may bring similar cases against Meta in the future.

[Adam Curry]

Man, looks like they got some bad advice on that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think these guys, the lawyers, know what they're doing.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I don't know that they're ever going to know what they're doing. And I'm not sure that they're ever going to get a good case together. It may be someday down the road, but it's going to be too late when it happens, because these systems will be loaded to the gills with stuff, and you can't pull it out unless you can find some way, like, say, well, okay, Meta, my book is in there, and it's being used, repurposed and used in other people's work. I want my book pulled from the corpus.

[Adam Curry]

You know what they. You know what they should have done? They should have called Rob Carpenter party boots and suits. He'll take care of it. You know, that's going to be the new ambulance chaser gig. Lawyers who go after AI companies for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not until somebody shows that it pays well.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I'm saying. Someone's gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one shown this paid. No one has paid out. The ambulance chasers show a profit.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know, but when they figure it out. Out.

[John C. Dvorak]

They may never.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they. They may. May never. May is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they never will. I don't think it's doable. You're going to have to be some sort of genius to. To. To bust this thing.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I'm talking about. Rob, the constitutional lawyer, he's a genius. He's a genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if he was that much, he'd be working on it as we speak.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Trust me. He's up there in Canyon and Lake. How can I get some money out of this? This is a good idea, Curry. Finally, an exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He'll give you a finder's fee. Here you go. $1,000.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I'm a knight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for my million bucks.

[Adam Curry]

He'll be moving into Boot Ranch. Hey, here's a. Here's a. Here's a grand. Thanks, boys. Good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sucker.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I got a sports ball story for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. This morning, a Major League Baseball pitcher.

[Adam Curry]

Is benched as the league investigates unusual betting on p. He threw first pitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Missing low ball 1. On June 15, Cleveland Guardians right hander.

[Adam Curry]

Luis Ortiz threw the first pitch of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The second inning far outside the strike zone.

[Adam Curry]

That's when a betting integrity firm identified unusual bets on whether that pitch would be a ball or a hit by pitch. When a player is hit by the ball, Pedro Pages leads off and takes.

[John C. Dvorak]

One that is just a little bit outside. Later in the month against the Cardinals.

[Adam Curry]

Ortiz threw the first pitch of the third inning even farther outside the strike zone.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, unusual betting action was detected.

[Adam Curry]

After those pitches were flagged. Major League Baseball opened up the investigation and spoke with the Major League Baseball Players Association. Ortiz was supposed to start last night's game against the Cubs, but the guardians saying he's been placed on leave per an agreement with the Players association due.

[John C. Dvorak]

To an ongoing league investigation. It comes a year after San Diego.

[Adam Curry]

Padres infielder Tucapita Marcano was banned from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baseball for placing nearly 400 bets on the game.

[Adam Curry]

And in February, an umpire was fired for sharing a sports betting account with a friend who gambled on the game. After the meteoric rise of sports betting, no league is immune to potential controversy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just last week, an investigation into one.

[Adam Curry]

Of the NBA's top free agents came to light. Officials now looking into allegations Malik Beasley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gambled on the game.

[Nico Syme]

An extremely serious situation because it goes to the very heart of his fans, spectators, anyone who cares. If you can trust what you're watching.

[Adam Curry]

The Detroit News now revealing Beasley's personal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Financial woes with millions in debt.

[Adam Curry]

As for Luis Ortiz, he's on leave pending that investigation. Well, all this to say, hey, I'm shocked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good work.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man, you're stepping on my.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was giving you a compliment for the clip because you just came out of the blue. I had no idea. Idea.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. I'm shocked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you should have put that on the clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then I, you know, you stop the clip and you let me.

[Adam Curry]

I know, I screwed it up. I screwed it up. Yeah. But so how about that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Back to this? Back to this. This all stems from the plague of prop betting, which we've talked about on the show before.

[Adam Curry]

Like he's gonna hit the batter with the ball. Well, wow. I can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've always believed that prop bets. I look at them all the time. They have. Well, is Trump gonna wear a red tie or a blue tie in his inaugural? I mean, if I saw that prop bet floating around, I was Trump's family, I'd say, hey, dad, what are you gonna wear? Yeah, I'm gonna wear the red tie. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

You sure?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna wear the red tie. Okay. And then you go bet. I mean, the prop betting. Prop betting is a sc. Scam. It has, it has corruption written all over it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you see that some of the prophets. Is she going to wear high heel shoes? Is the first Oscar and then go to so and so? Is she going to come out in a dress? Is she going to do this? Is he going to do that? All these are prop balance because these, these, these sick. Tell them sick. They're sick. Depraved gamblers will bet on anything.

[Adam Curry]

I got to get in on some of this prop bet action. This sounds like, like fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not fun unless you know what's going on. If you're a criminal, it's fun because it's a easy money.

[Adam Curry]

Rob, the constitutional lawyer says, tell John this is all privileged. He won't be commenting. So just so you know, he won't be commenting because I guess he won't be commenting.

[John C. Dvorak]

On what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's already on it. He's already. He's already doing the. The AI lawsuits, clearly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good luck, Rob.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Even though it is the 4th of July weekend, we still have some. Actually some pretty nice meetup reports. We've got some. Some dames, some nights, layaways, actually. A layaway knight and a lay. Two layaway nights and a layaway dame. We have a PhD. We got. Oh, John's tip of the day and an AI End of show mix. You can leave now. All right. John's going to thank our donors $50 and above, which is not a lot, but here we go. Jeffrey, Jeffrey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeffrey Schindle, I think. And he's in Minneapolis, Minnesota, nuts. 163. And this is Switcheroo credit to Monger near Wyckoff, Maine.

[Adam Curry]

No. Minnesota Nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Minnesota Nuts. Okay, he's got it right.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

My vision is blurry today. Binger Newman in Yorktown, South Dakota of all places. 11066 is a happy belated birthday. Call outs coming. Kevin McLaughlin right away. We had very few people today. 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and lover of melons. Boobs. Willie Kim Alston in El Paso. 8008. Sir. I'm sorry, Doctor. Sir. What is it?

[Adam Curry]

Otter?

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Ser.

[Adam Curry]

Otter. Yes, sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Otter Serrator in Lincoln, Nebraska. 7877.

[Adam Curry]

That's 1776. World Patriot donation plus fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Code Red in Huntsville, Arkansas. 76. 96. James Barrows in Union, South Carolina. 76. 76. These are all actually. 70. 76 Somerset.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Wait, wait, wait. Did you do Francisco or is that James Barrow?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not yet. I'm coming to Francisco.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

James Burroughs wants some house buying. Karma. By the way, you can give that at the end. It'll be nice.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Francesco. Francesco.

[Adam Curry]

Francesco needs a de douching.

[Nico Syme]

You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have this. Do you have this annoying feature now on your Excel when you click in a cell that the little copilot icon pops up all of a sudden?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And I should mention that Francisco Barbosa in Champlain or Champlain, Champlin, Minnesota nuts. A lot of Minnesota nuts today. 76.96. Fred Morgan in Orlando, Florida. 7696. Brian Huddles Huddleston in Lavin, Texas. 7696. Dame Rita in Sparks, Nevada. Our buddy there, 7696. And she always says it. M. John and M. Look forward to listening. Supporting no agenda show. James Otis in West Des Moines, Iowa. 7676. And we're getting there. Sir Paul in Twickenham. Twickenham, Middlesex, UK.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't heard Sir Paul in a while. Hi, Sir Paul.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, heard the. Heard the groundling.

[Adam Curry]

Rousing. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what?

[Adam Curry]

You know what's. You know how your eyes go bad?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they do.

[Adam Curry]

Watching too many TikTok videos.

[John C. Dvorak]

That must be it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forget to put my drops in. Chief.

[Adam Curry]

No, why don't I do. Let me just do this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I can. I'm going to get through this if it's the last thing I do in Amsterdam.

[Adam Curry]

That's Heel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keel.

[Adam Curry]

That's how you pronounce that name. C H I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looks like Chief on here. That's he's 7425. Baron Victor in Corvallis, Oregon. He's 7425. Also, he says in Texas, no more nor gender. July 4th, love from Victor in Willamette Valley.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good Pinot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, it's true. It's a fact. Kyle Tack in Yankton, S.D. 7406. And he's got a burger. Birthday call out David Cox in Austin, Texas. Your buddy 6325. Sir Nicholas in Dilworth, Minnesota. Nuts. 5809. He needs some pet health. Pet health. Karma. Roger. I don't know. Kesey in Holland, Michigan at 5272. And then we have. Oh, we have all of three $50 donors to raise. Wrap it up. Chris Koniker in Anchorage Anonymous in Montclair, N.J. and Alex Zavala are your buddy in Kylie, Texas or Kyle, as you would have it.

[Adam Curry]

It's Sir Alex Zavala and he is of the NICU Dads podcast. He's a good guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the name of the podcast?

[Adam Curry]

Nicu. Nicu. The nicu. The Natal icu. NICU dad Podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I've heard of him.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I mention it every single time he donates. That's why it happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's it. That's a group of a total, including the executive and associate executive producers. A total of 29 people. Well, we appreciate these 800 to a million listeners. 800,000 to a million.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know why the donations are going to down. I don't have to tell you. It's obvious. It's, it's, it's, it's our stance. We have, we are, we're wrong, man. We're just.

[John C. Dvorak]

We didn't even talk about Israel today.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there you go. Oh, there's another five people who just gave up karma. As requested, you've got karma as house buying karma and pet karma. Thank you all very much for supporting us again. Thank you to our executive and associate executive producers and everybody who came in under $50. You can go to noagendadonations.com you can donate any amount. That's how it works with value for value, whatever you think it's worth and we accept it all and we appreciate every single penny. Noagendadonations.com you can also set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. It's all up to you. It's all value for value. Thank you again and go to NoaGendaDonations.com Kyle Tack. Happy birthday to CN Attack turned 17 yesterday on the 4th, actually. Dame Shelley happy birthday to her brother, Sir Chadwick celebrating on the 8th. Sir Jeff Baron of PA Route 33 celebrates on the 9th. Francisco Barbosa on the 11th. And Binger Newman wishes Sienna a 100. Oh, Sienna 100. TAC a happy birthday. I don't think she's 100. That's just some form of nickname. Hey, happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Kent Oler is not only our top executive producer today, but he is also the recipient of an Official Noah Gender PhD in Media Deconstruction. Congratulations, Kent. Go to knowgenderings.com Makes sense, doesn't it? You can find the PhDs on that website. It'll tell you how to give us information, as in where to send it and what name you'd like on it. Happy to oblige. To comply. We have Layaway Dame and knights today. The first is from Layaway Knight and Dame Surrounded by grace and Dame Winter of the Desert. At least that's what they're about to become. They have a note. Hello, John and Adam. I've been on the value for value dollar an hour subscription of $16 a month since October 2018. It's 11 years. When I started listening to the show last month, a glitch in my bank's automated check sending system accidentally sent you two checks. So enjoy the bonus. Well, it's quite the glitch, actually. I took this as a sign to finally claim Glitch. Is that it's not a good one. Well, it is for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, for us.

[Adam Curry]

Took this as a sign to finally claim my knighthood. After doing the calculation, turns out we have now donated enough for a knighthood for myself and for a damehood for my wife, who is also an avid listener. We would like to be knighted surrounded by grace, and my wife would like to be Dame Winter of the Desert. Adam, we are so thrilled to be able to call you a brother in Christ. For months before you officially announce your Christianity on the show, my wife and I would pick up on something from you during the shows and ask each other if you were secretly a Christian or might be on your faith journey or something when you finally made the announcement on the show. I don't think I ever made an announcement on the show. Did I ever go, hey, John, I have an announcement?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not that I know of.

[Adam Curry]

Our reaction was a big. I knew it. It's been exciting to see the Holy Spirit working with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you two should get into Spot the Spook then. Because you can if you're. If you're looking for codes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a very good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good. It's a good. I'm telling you, it's a hobby I only discovered a decade ago and I'm loving every minute of it.

[Adam Curry]

And they end up with God bless you both and the entire no Agenda nation. Thank you very much. Then we have layaway a knight Sir Valen of Lincoln. Dear Peerage committee, knighthood is an honor and a privilege. After listening to the best podcast in the universe, my mental faculties have changed for the better. Years of dedication shown by you two are an example to us all. Of course, I now feel more knowledgeable and balanced and need to remind myself to be humble. Donating has been the least I could do in return for all the sensibilities the both of you have given. Henceforth, I would like to be known as Sir Valen of Lincoln. That's uk K A Y O D. I'm not sure. Is that a. Is that a call sign or. I don't know what K A Y O D. Because I think we should know what that means. For the roundtable, I would like dim sum, mooncake lao PA Barn. That's wife cake and Paul I tea. Please do me. Please do me the service of bestowing karma to all with a little girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay, love.

[Adam Curry]

Lastly, thank you all for reading, watching, and work done when it was annoying to others in your family. Well, that's nice. Thank you. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always been that it's funny. What are you doing? Watching. You're watching the news all day.

[Adam Curry]

It's so true. You're on your phone again. Oh, we love doing it, ma'. Am. And yes. And believe me, our family. Families appreciate what. What you're saying. Best regards, surveillance of Lincoln K A Y O D so I will give you. What did he want? He wanted a Karma and a little girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay.

[Nico Syme]

You've got Karma.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. So why don't we bring these fine folks up, because we have them and we have some others, so. Do you have a sword hanging, Andy?

[John C. Dvorak]

I do, as a matter of fact. It's right here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's a nice one. I got this one over here. Perfect. All right, Mr. Roberts. And let's see, we have Austin Roberts. We have Mrs. Roberts. There you go. We've got. I think we've got them all now. Yes. And Ken Ohler. There we go. That's all of them up on the podium. I'm very proud to. Bernard, pronounced KB as Dame Winter of the Desert, Surveillance of Lincoln KO A Y O D Surrounded by Grace and Sir Tardy the Delayed. For you we've got hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay along with that dim sum Mooncake Lao Pow Band and Pow Lighty. Also Bongheads and bourbon, Sparkling cider escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils. And of course we always have the mutton and mead. Head over to no Agenda Rings to. That's where you will find your beautiful night and Dame rings. Give us your ring size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website. Tell us where to send it and we'll include some sticks of wax so you can use these beautiful signet rings to seal your important correspondence. And as always, it all comes with a certificate of authenticity. Thank you for supporting the no Agenda show. And welcome to the Roundtable, brand new knights and dame no Agenda. That's right, no Agenda. Meetups. Always a party, no matter where you go. Even if no one shows up.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the meetup report for Victoria. Friday afternoon beer here at the Lighthouse Brewery. This is Sir Rogue of the Taverns.

[Adam Curry]

And his dog, Rogue.

[Nico Syme]

Unfortunately, we didn't get any people showing.

[Adam Curry]

Up this week, but hey, we'll be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doing this again next week and a few more times this summer on Friday afternoon around 5 o'.

[Adam Curry]

Clock.

[Nico Syme]

What do you got to say about that, Rogue?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look forward to everyone coming out and joining Rogue and Sir Rogue of the Taverns for a Friday afternoon beer at the Lighthouse Brewery.

[Adam Curry]

That's all from Victoria. All right, thank you very much. And next time we'll. We'll. If we have to like call somebody, go and visit that guy. He's doing a meetup all by himself. Here's the opposite end of the spectrum. Damonette sent in the indie meetup for June. This is the one that Mark and Maria put together. Our Damon Knight over there. Hi, this is Sir Mark and this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Dame Maria and we're heading to Greece.

[Nico Syme]

We'll see you in a couple months.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, John and Adam. Hope this finds you well. PBR Street Gang here. And PBR stands for Patrol Boat Riverine with call sign Street Gang. Dame Trinity.

[Nico Syme]

Back at the Blind Owl having a great time as always. Thank you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning.

[Nico Syme]

I. Hi, this is Dame Cindy of the Tito's. Thank you for your courage. Congratulations to the new guy, Adam. They always win.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Adam. I won. And I want to remind everyone to take it right into the danger zone. Hi, this is Angelica in the morning.

[Nico Syme]

This is Kyra from Carmel Strength in numbers. Glad to be here, Tom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not from Carmel.

[Adam Curry]

Adam unblocked me. There's a big tri state meetup.

[Nico Syme]

Byog, this is Dame Steph of the Dark slide in the morning with you naughter from Indianapolis.

[Adam Curry]

Finally able to drag my mom Dame Steph out here. So good to finally bring her to this community.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Betty, wishing you all well.

[Adam Curry]

Risky here. Just enjoying some beers at the Blind Owl.

[Nico Syme]

Hey. This is Emily, the legally blind employed fed. And I identify with the Blind owl of this establishment.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Viscount of Hamilton and the two pennies in the morning. This is Matt from Osgood, Indiana. Only a no agenda meetup could drag me out of the country into the big city. Sir Edward Chapman hall here.

[Adam Curry]

But you can call me two hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Narci Karovi. I am very much interested in buying your website, Adam Curry. Curry.com.

[Adam Curry]

I'M going to do a Curry website.

[John C. Dvorak]

For $5 a month. Please call me. I have emailed you many times. Last night I called you so please call me back. This is non stick for all days. Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, this is syrup over the maple with a public service announcement. Every beer you drink is a beer that a child cannot drink. So thicker the child children and do your part.

[Nico Syme]

Hi, this is Brandy at the Blind Owl. Hanging out with these people, the no Agenda. They're having a good time. Not paying much attention here, but a good turnout this time.

[Adam Curry]

I love those guys. That's so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

You pay now.

[Adam Curry]

You pay now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the line the every beer you drink is a beer a child can drink. How we put it.

[Adam Curry]

And always include your server in these meetup reports. No agenda meetups. You can tell they range. They have quite a range. Can be a guy and his dog. It can be a whole bunch of people, but they're always a party, guaranteed. Go to noagendameetups.com that's where you can find every single one of them listed. And we have one coming up this Thursday. A recalcitrant Santa Barbara meetup. Santa Barbara at Finney's Crafthouse, 6.33pm Go check it out. And of course for the rest of the month we do have some international meetups. Vancouver on the 11th. We have. Well, it's not international, but the last. This is the last Denver City park meetup in Denver, Colorado on the 12th. Also on the 12th, Zurich, Switzerland. Please send a meetup report. Camp Hill, Pennsylvania on the 13th. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th. Albany, California. John C. Dvorak will be there on the 19th. And the 26th is Anaheim, California. Go check it out for sure. Oh, reminder, put on your calendar. October 11th, another Fred meetup, Fredericksburg, Texas. Go to no Agenda Meetups dot com. If you can't find one there, start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell to Lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

All right, before we get to John's tip of the day, we always have to have an ISO off, which means we determine what we're going to play. At the very end of the show, we show you how the sausage is made, where we argue about what we're going to do. I have only one today, so that doesn't bode well for me. Since you have two, we'll give it a shot.

[Nico Syme]

Just. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Too bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I like it if it was, you know, but it's something.

[Adam Curry]

How come you have. You have. Yours are 5 seconds and 16 seconds. Did you forget to clip them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, maybe. I don't know. Let's. The one is the long. What's the long one? Well, yeah, the long was the king. I'm playing with dialect on the. On the AI and so this. This one probably won't win because I don't know why it's 16 seconds, but might as well play it.

[Adam Curry]

King of England could not do better. And then.

[John C. Dvorak]

How's that 16 seconds?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's. King of England could not do better. It keeps going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, because I got. Okay, I didn't.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that sucks in so many ways.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's a. It's a. I'm playing. I'm playing.

[Adam Curry]

I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm using the AI for the benefit of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Edit. Edit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was a blunder on my.

[Adam Curry]

Using AI for the AI is killing all aspects of the show, including this. This segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so here's the other one. Juicy.

[Nico Syme]

That podcast was juicy.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, okay. You win it on that AI sucks. And here's John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes I. Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, wait, this is a food foodie recommendation. This is. And I don't know why I haven't recommended this before. I looked. I didn't see that I did. But I'm going to recommend people as a seasoning. Oh, a seasoning. Liquid smoke. And specifically one brand.

[Adam Curry]

Are you sure you haven't done liquid smoke before?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I had, but I don't remember doing it. And I looked and I couldn't find it. Look it up. Go. You got your bingit IO.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna look. I'm gonna look it up on my bingit IO. Okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the. The brand is. You have to look up the brand because it would be this brand. There's a bunch of different people that liquid make liquid smoke. And the one that I prefer, prefer and recommend because it never gets. You can use as much of it as you want. Never gets bitter. It's a hickory. It's the hickory smoke from cold gin. It's not normally available except in the south, although you can get it for mail order. It's very popular in the south, but you can't barely find it in the west coast. They have rights and Stubbs and all these other brands. But Collin liquid smoke. And here's where you'd use it in spaghetti sauce. It makes it taste like you have smoked tomatoes. Use it in pizza sauce in particular, you'll knock it out of the park. You can use it in stews and you can use it as a cheat to make pulled pork in the oven. And a lot of people, commercial people, have used cold gin in particular to make a phony pulled pork that tastes like it was cooked outside. You know, you just cook it slow and low in the oven. You can cook, you know, put the pork in there for 10 hours or longer and liquid smoke it up. And you swear to God it came out and it tastes terrific. It's a fabulous product. But I'd recommend it on pizza. Pizza sauce in particular.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we have not had it as a tip of the day, but we have discussed it previously. So it's valid. It's valid. It's a tip of the day. It's a good tip. Liquid. Liquid smoke. Isn't that what you get when you put an iPhone in a blender? Oh, no, that's. I smoke, I'm sorry podcast. Oops. Sorry about that. Yes. There you go, everybody. It's John's tip of the day. Find them [e-mail] and sometimes Adam created by Dana Bernetti. Then the that's it for your fourth of July holiday weekend extravaganza Media deconstruction bonanza. We're here. We always keep working. And in fact, I'll be in New York on Thursday, the next show. And I will be working.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're gonna be in New York. Look out for muggers.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I shall. We're there to celebrate Tina's birthday birthday with her daughter. So we're excited to visit New York. It's going to be raining, which is good because New York in the summer is never a joy. It's never a joy. It does stink. We have Nico Syme, his singular, singular end of show mix created by AI and then after that, if you keep listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he say it was created by AI?

[Adam Curry]

No, he didn't. I'm pretty sure it is. Well, he'll, he'll correct me. He'll correct me if I'm wrong. That Larry show coming up right after this show. That is Larry's Psychic Dreams. You know, Larry's the guy with the big deep voice. Can't miss him. And we'll be with you on Thursday. So join us for more media deconstruction. Until then, I'm Adam Curry in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, boy, we blew that one up. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be back Thursday. Remember us atno agenda donations dot com. Adios mofos and hoo hooey and stu all around there's a pot out there with boots on the ground Deconstructing news Cutting through the crap no agenda baby they're settling the facts it's the no agenda show where the truth's the star and the bullcrap goes in the morning Tune in to the no agenda show Give monation hit em in the mouth give away that karma the truth wants to come out Meetups, great tips knights and dames Value for value all the way it's the low agenda show where the truth is the star and the bullcrap goes in the morning Tune in to the no agenda show it's the no agenda show where the truth, the star and the bull crap goes in the Good morning. Tune in to the no agenda show adios mofo.

[Nico Syme]

Dvorak.org na that podcast was juicy.