John C. Dvorak (1:33)

Now that you mention this, it's supposed.

Adam Curry (1:34)

To jack you up.

John C. Dvorak (1:35)

No, you bring this up. We were watching the miniseries four Seasons with Steve Carell and Tina Fey. It's like an eight episode miniseries thing. And it's okay, but without going into it. I think it's based on a movie by Alan Ald, plays a role. The guy's 90. It was weird to see Hawkeye show up as this old decrepit man. His cameo role. Anyway, so Steve Carell, he hooks up with a 30 year old when he's almost 60. And then he has to go on vacation with this, with this, with his girlfriend's friends and they were drinking mushroom coffee. So you're on a trend here.

Adam Curry (2:22)

Of course it's because I watch tv.

John C. Dvorak (2:26)

I'm glad there's two of us. Someone has to do it. Before we get to the obvious elephant in the room, just a little bit on the Texas flood. This is much worse than the media is able to show it. And I'm not blaming the media per se. This is just 20 minutes down the road from us when we're in Texas. And I actually, I feel kind of bad about not being there, not being able to help out more. But when we're back, I'm going to start doing some more things. This is like the Grand Canyon, you know, where you just can't, you can't get the same effect unless you've been there. And you know what it looks like, John? The debris is 25ft high all over the place. And it's not just Kerrville. I mean, some of this happened up in Georgetown near Austin. It is really, this was, this is level western North Carolina with the same result that of course, everyone kind of moves on. The media is looking for a narrative. And they had all the camp girls. Okay, we had that. And then we have the runaway, the dog that has no owner. Npr, by the way, gets the award. They had a picture of a single baby shoe. Very good. Npr, you did it.

Adam Curry (3:48)

That's kind of cliched.

John C. Dvorak (3:50)

It's cliched and disgusting. Like, you know, the one sole baby shoe in the debris. But the reports I'm getting, it smells like death everywhere. And they're in desperate need of men with boots and chainsaws. And if you have any heavy equipment and if you want to help out and you're anywhere near or you just want to come and help, email me, adam@curry.com I'll give you a number to call. And if people want to donate money, it's the Hill Country Community Foundation. Tina and I have checked it out. It's the right place. It's community foundation.net it's real. This is much worse than, than anyone could have imagined. It really was a bad one. So let's listen to Dana Bash talk about it. That'll brighten our mood.

Dana Bash (4:39)

We're continuing to follow the desperate search. In Texas last hour, officials said said at least 119 people have died and even more remain missing. In New Mexico, residents experienced similar panic during record breaking. That's what they called it. Floodwaters. That was Yesterday. A River 3 surged from less than 2ft to more than 20 in less than an hour. At least three people were killed. Nearly 100 people were rescued. A really big flood just came. Like a wall of flood. It came and it started going through. And that's when I Started recording because it just, it got so wild so quickly in central North Carolina. Another quote, once in a 100 year flood in Chicago. A quote, one in a thousand year rain event. That's all just this week?

John C. Dvorak (5:34)

Yeah. These ghouls. Once in 100 years. No, not really that.

Adam Curry (5:40)

No, she said a thousand.

John C. Dvorak (5:41)

Oh, that was for Chicago or whatever. Once in 100, once in a thousand. It all leads to climate change. Don't worry.

Adam Curry (5:47)

I think that your thing you did last show. I should have recorded it and play it back. Which outline the event in the Texas event, how it happened in 18 this, 18 that Baba by every five years, on and on and on and on and on for endless amounts of time. And it's. But somehow it's once in a generation.

John C. Dvorak (6:08)

Yes.

Adam Curry (6:09)

I mean these news people are no good.

John C. Dvorak (6:11)

No, no, you got to leave it to the podcaster. The podcasters seem to be doing everything these days. It's a heavy lift, people. I got one more of Dana Bash, only because she brings in Bill Nye the Science Guy.

Dana Bash (6:22)

Joining me now to try to make.

John C. Dvorak (6:23)

Sense of this and let's make sense of it with this douchebag.

Adam Curry (6:26)

Wait, wait, you're gonna make.

Dana Bash (6:29)

Wow.

John C. Dvorak (6:30)

I know, I know. Let's make sense of this with a douchebag.

Dana Bash (6:33)

Joining me now to try to make sense of this and more is Bill Nye the Science Guy. Hey, thanks for being here.

Adam Curry (6:41)

It's good to be here. I'm sorry. I really am sorry for all the trouble.

Dana Bash (6:46)

It's terrible. And so just that last part of.

John C. Dvorak (6:49)

What we were just talking about.

Adam Curry (6:50)

I'm sorry for all the trouble.

John C. Dvorak (6:51)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (6:52)

What's that supposed to mean?

John C. Dvorak (6:53)

I guess he's, you know, can we blame him? I mean, we're looking for somebody to blame. We know that everyone wants to blame Trump, so we might as well blame Bill Nye.

Adam Curry (7:01)

Really, I'm sorry for all the trouble.

Dana Bash (7:03)

It's terrible. And so just that last part of what we were describing, you keep hearing once in a lifetime, once in 100 years, once in a thousand years. At this point, it's, it's not anymore. It's just where we are. Oh, here we go with the climate and the environment.

John C. Dvorak (7:22)

As we like to say, our side of it, the science side of it, this is exactly what was predicted. It's very difficult to tie any one weather event to climate change. However, the warm weather, this guy is so predictable. Can't really tie weather to climate change. However, we're going to do that anyway. We're going to do any one weather event to climate Change. However, the warm weather events are actually easier to tie to climate change. And so the other problem that happened.

Adam Curry (7:55)

In the hill country in Texas is.

John C. Dvorak (7:57)

This business of the Balcony escarpment where the air mass got lifted so it spread out and the rain came down even faster.

Adam Curry (8:07)

But it'll happen again.

John C. Dvorak (8:09)

Yeah, well, okay, yeah, Bill, if you just go to Wikipedia, you can see that it's pretty obvious it'll happen again. Not due to climate change, just due to drought and the soil and clay that we have and the rivers that can't handle it. It's. Yes, of course, of course. I don't think anybody did anything wrong other than we've just become to rely on our government. And where was my warning? And even though there were warnings, where is the guy that just goes outside says, hmm, I reckon I've seen this before. Yeah, get the higher ground.

Adam Curry (8:43)

Exactly. What happens in those areas.

John C. Dvorak (8:45)

Get the higher ground. Let's just stick with CNN for a I just want to get these out of the way.

Dana Bash (8:50)

Very important story we're covering and will continue to is these deadly floods in Texas. As the search continues for the missing There are big questions being raised about the warnings that happened and the impacts also of cuts to that the Trump admin to the National Weather Service. And while everyone you speak to says a review needs to be done, analysis needs to be done, there's no direct through line. I did have a former administrator of NOAA just on this morning who said that he thinks the administration's workforce cuts at the National Weather Service contributed to the problem. Let me play this for you.

John C. Dvorak (9:29)

I am convinced that the staff cuts that we saw were a contributing factor to the inability of the emergency managers to resp. The staffing was just fine. And the White House has concurred with this to get the forecast out, to get the watches and warnings issued.

Adam Curry (9:45)

But when you send a message, there's.

John C. Dvorak (9:48)

No guarantee it's being received. So someone needs to follow up and that's the warning. Coordination meteorologist a position that was vacant. This is just so dishonest. In fact, the N o a n o o a n o o o o o o the noaa, they sent the warnings out, but their models were incorrect. They estimated much lower levels. Much lower. But okay, let's blame it on Trump. And who better to blame it on Trump than who's the climate expert? John? Come on. Give you one guess.

Adam Curry (10:21)

The climate experts.

John C. Dvorak (10:22)

Yes. It's not. No, no, of course not. You want to bring in Eric Swalwell.

Dana Bash (10:32)

Do you think Democrats need to be Careful on this.

Adam Curry (10:34)

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that.

John C. Dvorak (10:37)

Well, first, I mean, as a parent, this is just heartbreaking. I have two kids at camp this week. They're not old enough for sleepaway camp, but you put them, you know, in the responsibility of people who you don't know. And this is a parent's nightmare. And so I do grieve with those families. I also thank the first responders who put their lives on the line to try and rescue as many people as possible. One of my colleagues, a Republican colleague, had two of his daughters at this camp. Fortunately, they made it out. I do think as lawmakers, we have a responsibility, though, to look at, did cuts affect the ability for folks on the ground and at the camp to have an earlier, better warning? But this is really going to. Should we just attack government for government's sake? And for the last six months, we've seen an effort to undermine the hard work of government workers, whether it's air traffic controllers who keep planes from colliding in the air, or FEMA first responders who go into the harshest hit places in America. But if the president's press secretary doesn't like the way this is being described, I would recommend that the president go to Texas and talk to the families and show leadership, because that's what presidents do. There is nothing more goofy, foolish than politicizing something like this, and it happens every single time. I'm glad it was Swalwell, because I already didn't like him, so that's good. There is one story that I think is very troubling when it comes to government, local government in particular, and that's the fire chief in Austin. People are pretty outraged about this story. The Austin fire chief is under fire not for what he did, but for what the firefighters union says he didn't do. We have the resources. We have the training. We have the personnel. The union president says Chief Baker held back trained crews during last week's deadly floods, even though they were ready to respond. I started sending pictures with their names by them.

Adam Curry (12:33)

I said, chief, open these up and.

John C. Dvorak (12:35)

Zoom in on these little faces.

Adam Curry (12:37)

Eight to ten years old.

John C. Dvorak (12:39)

We need to do something. No response. No deployment. He said Austin firefighters were requested on July 2nd and 3rd before the flooding even started. Austin said no both times. What was said up and down the.

Adam Curry (12:52)

Chain is do not deploy. Don't even ask.

John C. Dvorak (12:55)

Within our department.

Adam Curry (12:56)

He's known as a bully. He's known as being vindictive.

John C. Dvorak (13:01)

He's known as being retaliatory. So when you have an order Coming down the chain that says we don't deploy. Don't even ask.

Adam Curry (13:08)

People know what that means. And people didn't deploy when they normally.

John C. Dvorak (13:13)

Would have because of that direct order. Chief Baker defends his decision, saying he had to balance the helping other communities while protecting Austin. Chief Baker is so concerned about, you know, squeezing pennies here and saving money rather than saving people. With nearly 40 years of firefighting experience.

Adam Curry (13:28)

Under his belt, Nick says he doesn't.

John C. Dvorak (13:31)

Make these claims lightly.

Adam Curry (13:32)

I used to be a part of.

John C. Dvorak (13:33)

The original Swiftwater team.

Adam Curry (13:35)

I know the conditions. I absolutely believe that lives were lost because Austin firefighters did not deploy.

John C. Dvorak (13:40)

I know some of those girls could.

Adam Curry (13:42)

Have been survived if we had had.

John C. Dvorak (13:43)

The best boat crew the day before on scene. I know it.

Adam Curry (13:46)

I know it.

John C. Dvorak (13:47)

My heart.

Adam Curry (13:47)

And the fact that we didn't do.

John C. Dvorak (13:50)

It and we let them down.

Adam Curry (13:51)

It's unconscionable.

John C. Dvorak (13:53)

Yeah. They could have been out there a day early.

Adam Curry (13:57)

Well, this fire. This guy, this Austin fire chief was signed pretty much to Austin by Barack Obama and told that they had to diversify the Austin Fire Department. And he's on record. There's tapes of him. This guy, it seems like a dummy saying, oh, we were. The most important thing for Austin right now is to diversify our firefighters.

John C. Dvorak (14:21)

He's kind of a Lloyd Austin type dude. Yeah.

Adam Curry (14:25)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (14:25)

All that's missing is without the mask, the face shield. Yeah. And then, you know, there's the amount of people who can't see the difference between geoengineering and chemtrails, which, you know, I believe that is happening. And cloud seeding, which has been going on since. I don't know, John, what do you think? 80 years. They've been cloud seeding in America ever.

Adam Curry (14:47)

Since I was born.

John C. Dvorak (14:48)

Yeah. And this poor SAP, the CEO of Rainmaker, who contracts with Texas to make it rain over farms during the season when we need rain, not after the harvest or, you know, anyway, it doesn't really matter. He also has kind of an unfortunate look. He's got this massive mullet going on.

Adam Curry (15:13)

He's a mullet guy.

John C. Dvorak (15:15)

He's a massive mullet guy. So he just kind of looks untrustworthy, but he's kind of a young dude and he's figured out.

Adam Curry (15:21)

No, no. I saw him interviewed by Alex Jones.

John C. Dvorak (15:26)

Well, I've got a. I've got an interview here with him. Just a minute. This was on Forbes, actually. So I like the guy. I think he's. And he's under. He's under pressure, and he does have some stats that are Interesting to hear. My heart and prayers are with everybody affected in Texas and the entire state. I'm going to be down there tomorrow trying to help as I can. I run a company called Rainmaker that conducts cloud seeding to make it rain more for farms, for ecosystem restoration, for residential reservoirs when they're suffering from drought. And we work with municipalities and farmers throughout Texas to. When there is a drought or there isn't enough water, make it rain more. We unequivocally had nothing to do with the flooding that was caused by the remnants of the tropical storm that blew in. And our biggest cloud seeding missions to date have only produced 10 million gallons of precipitation approximately. And that tropical storm dumped about 4 trillion over the course of two days. So the order of magnitude difference between what cloud seeding is even capable of and what happened is. Is incomparable. And again, I truly am heartbroken about what has happened, but want to make it abundantly clear that cloud seeding was not involved in any capacity. And it's a technology that is used to help farmers when there isn't enough water. 4 trillion gallons.

Adam Curry (16:54)

Yeah, he would. There was Bannon, not. Not Alex Jones that I heard him talk. Bannon was trying to. Trying to push it.

John C. Dvorak (17:01)

Yeah. Push it towards.

Adam Curry (17:02)

And this guy was. Wasn't having any of it. And. And that figure. He threw that same figure out. He says you can produce maybe 10 million.

John C. Dvorak (17:10)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (17:10)

And. And they're not talking about a billion gallons or about 4 trillion gallons. You'd have to have some pretty. You can't do it with cloud seeding. It's no way.

John C. Dvorak (17:20)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (17:22)

And so I. I took that. He seemed like a very. Although he was the Mullet man, he did seem very knowledgeable about that. Who.

John C. Dvorak (17:30)

But the mullet is just. It's just not a good look. In this particular case. It's like, yeah, you look like Theo Vaughn. You look like a podcaster. You know, I'm sure. I'm sure people who are out there who believe that, trust me, John, the entire community of Fredericksburg is going nuts. This cloud. Cloud seeding was cloud seeding. I was like, no, calm down. Of course these are the same. People are going out there and seeing it literally, like, it just smells of death everywhere. I'm sure it's very similar to western North Carolina. Very. People dead in trees. All kinds of nasty.

Adam Curry (18:09)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (18:11)

Okay, so then the story that seems to be preoccupying everybody in the podcast land, for sure. But even in mainstream media, I'm sure people are tuning in to hear what we have to say about it. I gave you an overview first, of the news story about the meltdown. Something is horribly wrong here.

Adam Curry (18:29)

The rift within President Donald Trump's base is growing. Don't sit there and tell me there's nothing. When you told me there was something.

John C. Dvorak (18:36)

After an abrupt end to the death and sex trafficking investigations into Jeffrey Epstein.

Adam Curry (18:41)

I mean, you couldn't discredit yourself worse.

John C. Dvorak (18:43)

It's really, really demoralized people.

Adam Curry (18:46)

For years, conspiracy theories have dogged Epstein's prison suicide. I'm amazed at how few people are putting two and two together.

John C. Dvorak (18:53)

As rumors swirled about a possible client list full of high profile individuals, rumors fueled directly by Trump's inner circle. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen?

Dana Bash (19:08)

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

Adam Curry (19:10)

They're convinced that the Epstein client list is going to have a lot of Democratic politicians on it. Problem is, if it has politicians on it, it's almost certain to have Donald Trump on it. It's no secret Epstein had plenty of.

John C. Dvorak (19:24)

Important friends, including Trump.

Adam Curry (19:27)

This week.

John C. Dvorak (19:27)

In an unsigned memo, the Department of.

Adam Curry (19:30)

Justice said there was no incriminating client.

John C. Dvorak (19:32)

List and went on to definitively say.

Adam Curry (19:34)

Epstein died by suicide. Releasing video from outside the prison wing.

John C. Dvorak (19:39)

The night he died.

Adam Curry (19:40)

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years.

John C. Dvorak (19:46)

If Trump wanted to stop the questions.

Adam Curry (19:48)

He seemed to make things wor.

John C. Dvorak (19:50)

Lashing out.

Adam Curry (19:50)

And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (19:56)

Leaving many MAGA supporters to believe it's far from case closed.

Adam Curry (20:01)

With the conspiracy theory they've been fed for years getting a whole lot bigger.

John C. Dvorak (20:06)

This was, this was really disappointing. I mean, of everything that has been happening. The cabinet meeting, I was like, wow, Pam Bondi's an idiot. Like, really an idiot. I mean, we already knew she was kind of dumb, but I mean, she can't even lie, right? And President Trump just going all in on the COVID up? I mean, if you wanted to cover something up, you could not do a stupider job. And just for background, how long have we been talking about the elites doing this kind of stuff on this show?

Adam Curry (20:44)

Oh, since the beginning, pretty much exactly.

John C. Dvorak (20:46)

July 10, 2008. I looked it up is when I basically got fired from Aero Classic Rock Radio in the Netherlands for bringing up the Deming affair, which is the highest official in the Dutch Justice Department who had admitted that he had sex with underage boys and nothing was happening. And then they. And they came right after the state, not after me personally. They came after the station. The. The investors pulled all their money out. Station was off the air within 10 days, or as you say, burned to the ground, which isn't entirely true, but these are the days of Jimmy Savile. Man. We've gone so deep into the Dutroux Rolodex case, which was.

Adam Curry (21:39)

That was a good one.

John C. Dvorak (21:40)

But it's all. I mean, this happened. They had kids in cages, and this was the. The elite from Brussels and. And the EU it's unbelievable what has been going on. All the. The. The Jimmy Savile case. I mean, come on. That was, what, a cover?

Adam Curry (21:57)

That was something that we didn't discuss too much on the show. It was kind of mentioned in passing, which is the George H.W. bush.

John C. Dvorak (22:04)

Oh. The gay hookers that my uncle of the CIA was giving midnight tours to.

Adam Curry (22:13)

And there's also Boys Town.

John C. Dvorak (22:15)

Oh, Boys Town. Wow. That was actually a staple. We used to play bits from that all the time. Boystown. Yeah, we did.

Adam Curry (22:25)

Well, there's a couple of bits. We didn't do it all the time.

John C. Dvorak (22:28)

But that was back when. Before YouTube.

Adam Curry (22:30)

No, this has been going on is what you're trying to say.

John C. Dvorak (22:32)

Yeah. And we've been following it. We've been following this for a long time.

Adam Curry (22:36)

So it. But, you know, I'd like to know what Giselle Maxwell must be thinking right now. She's locked up. Has anyone talked to her or done an interview, a jailhouse interview or anything?

John C. Dvorak (22:51)

Oh, why bother? Why bother?

Adam Curry (22:54)

But, you know, they talked. They. They did. I don't know if I have a. I don't know if I got a clip of. I don't. I didn't get the clip. But there was a clip of Epstein's brother that Cuomo talked to, and he says, this thing stink. And then the only clip I have about is Kiriakou, the ex CIA guy who is a whistleblower, and he was still floating around. I think he's got good knowledge of the inner workings of the way these things operate. I have that clip, which is.

John C. Dvorak (23:24)

Let's play that. And I want to play a few historical clips. Let's play Kiriakou. I'm not blaming the FBI director, Kash Patel or the deputy director, Dan Bongino. I think that that layer beneath them, that's part of what we like to call the deep State has taken this bull by the. And they've probably destroyed information. Look at what the CIA did in 1975 after Congress ordered that it release all of its files related to an operation called MK Ultra. The director of the CIA went back to headquarters and ordered everything to be destroyed. And in the end, only about 20% of the documents survived. We're still learning about the FBI's operations against Martin Luther King 50, 55 years after the fact. So now we're supposed to believe that everybody's telling the truth, that there were files, there were no dossiers? I'm sorry, I just don't buy it because I know how these people operate. Yeah, I just want to go back a little bit further because we've had so many people talking about this in the past five years. In fact, this is. Who was the. Who was that woman? Let me see. Where. Well, first of all, let me do this. This is 2019 on Pierce. No, this is CBS THIS MORNING. Maria Farmer, do you remember Maria Farmer?

Adam Curry (24:45)

Yes. And I want to mention something to people listening to this. We both, I think, me in particular, have said that these files will never come out, no matter what.

John C. Dvorak (24:55)

Pam Bondi, We've said that continuously.

Adam Curry (24:57)

Yeah, yeah, continuously. Anyway, and we're still right so far.

John C. Dvorak (25:01)

Batting a thousand, unfortunately. Welcome back to CBS this morning. One of Jeffrey Epstein's accusers who said she has an inside view of his world is giving us disturbing new details of what happened. Maria Farmer was a young artist in the 1990s when she met Epstein. She and her younger sister Annie claim Epstein sexually assaulted them, and Farmer is now suing Epstein Estate over the alleged incident.

Adam Curry (25:27)

Farmer says she was the first known.

John C. Dvorak (25:29)

Accuser to alert law enforcement to Epstein a decade before his first arrest. In her first TV interview, Farmer talks about why she's still seeking justice even after Epstein's death. Okay, here she comes. Farmer found Epstein's behavior mysterious.

Dana Bash (25:47)

One day I said to Jeffrey, what goes on in this house? Like, why are you always upstairs? And he said, I'll show you. And so he took me up there in the elevator and we went. He showed me all of Ghislaine's quarters.

John C. Dvorak (25:59)

She had her own suite on the house.

Dana Bash (26:00)

Oh, she had a whole floor.

John C. Dvorak (26:01)

Ultimately, Farmer says Epstein led her to his bathroom. By the way, this is cbs, the CIA broadcast network.

Dana Bash (26:09)

And there's a marble, like, altar thing over here. And he said that's where he gets his massages.

John C. Dvorak (26:15)

Epstein told her the whole house was wired with pinhole cameras and took her into the media room where they were monitored.

Dana Bash (26:23)

I looked on the cameras and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet, bed. I'm like, I am never going to use the restroom here, and I'm never going to sleep here.

John C. Dvorak (26:31)

Was there videotape oh, it was all.

Dana Bash (26:34)

Video, all the time.

Adam Curry (26:35)

Yeah.

Dana Bash (26:36)

And I asked him one time, what do you do with this? And he said, I keep. But I keep everything in my safe.

John C. Dvorak (26:40)

You know, looking back on this, this is kind of an Interesting timing. 2019. This was really coming to a head just before COVID just coincidentally before COVID And this was Amy Robach. Remember Amy Robach?

Adam Curry (26:53)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (26:54)

Here's her complaint.

Dana Bash (26:56)

I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts. We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will that we. That also quashed the story. And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. It was. It was unbelievable what we had Clinton. We had everything. I tried for three years to get it on, to no avail. And now it's all coming out, and it's like these new revelations, and I freaking had all of it. I'm so pissed right now. Every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh, my God. What we had was unreal. Other women backing it up. Hey. Yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years ago, saying, like, aunt, like, we. There will come a day when we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known. I had it all three years ago.

John C. Dvorak (28:15)

And here's current.

Adam Curry (28:16)

Oh, wait. Before you go on, don't forget what happened to Amy Robach. She was set up. Oh. She was fired with a phony baloney affair. And fired, and that was the end of her. Where's she now?

John C. Dvorak (28:25)

I don't know. Well, hopefully she'll come back.

Adam Curry (28:27)

I looked her up. While you're.

John C. Dvorak (28:29)

And continuing. Where is she now? Oh, you're.

Adam Curry (28:32)

Yeah, you look up.

John C. Dvorak (28:33)

Okay. This is the current, current United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Alina Haba on Piers Morgan.

Dana Bash (28:43)

But in this case, in Epstein's case, it is incredibly disturbing. We have flight logs, we have information, names that will come out.

John C. Dvorak (28:52)

Is it going to be shocking?

Dana Bash (28:57)

I don't see how it's not shocking that there were so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret and not been Held accountable.

John C. Dvorak (29:09)

Uh huh. And then of course, we have the Dersh Dershowitz who was implicated in all this. But he only had a massage with his clothes on.

Adam Curry (29:17)

I have seen, remember, I was accused falsely and they have seen.

John C. Dvorak (29:21)

And ultimately I was completely cleared.

Adam Curry (29:23)

The woman admitted that she may have.

John C. Dvorak (29:25)

Mistook me for somebody else who withdrew.

Adam Curry (29:27)

All of our lawsuits. And so from day one, from the day I was accused, I said I want every document out because I knew every document would prove I was innocent. So let me tell you, I know for a fact documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them.

John C. Dvorak (29:44)

But I'm bound by confidentiality from a.

Adam Curry (29:49)

Judge and cases and I can't disclose what I know know, but I pan to God, I know. I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them.

John C. Dvorak (30:00)

And that's wrong. And can we not forget, please, Melinda Gates with Gayle King.

Adam Curry (30:09)

You know, it was also widely reported that had a friendship or business or.

Dana Bash (30:14)

Some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not. That that was very upsetting to you.

Adam Curry (30:19)

Did that play a role in the. In the divorce at all, in this process?

Dana Bash (30:23)

Yeah, as I said, it's not one thing.

John C. Dvorak (30:25)

It was many things.

Dana Bash (30:27)

But I did not like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein.

John C. Dvorak (30:31)

No.

Dana Bash (30:33)

And you made that clear to him. I made that clear to him. I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time.

Adam Curry (30:39)

Did you?

Dana Bash (30:40)

Yes, Because I wanted to see who this man was. And I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door. He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards. So, you know, my heart breaks for these young women because that's how I felt.

Adam Curry (30:58)

And here I'm an older woman.

Dana Bash (31:00)

My God, I feel terrible for those young women. It's awful. You felt that the moment you walked in. I didn't feel.

John C. Dvorak (31:06)

Yeah.

Dana Bash (31:06)

And you shared that with Bill and he still continued to spend time with him. Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was, those are for Bill to answer.

John C. Dvorak (31:17)

Okay.

Dana Bash (31:17)

But I made it very clear how I felt about him.

John C. Dvorak (31:20)

And although I don't have any clips, you remember that a gardener or someone like that was arrested at Bill Gates House in possession of 4,000 pornographic images?

Adam Curry (31:30)

I don't remember that.

John C. Dvorak (31:31)

Children.

Adam Curry (31:32)

Yeah. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (31:33)

There was a lot of news reports about it, but no audio that I can find in our archives. Go ahead.

Adam Curry (31:41)

Just to finish the Amy Robart thing. So she was. When she was fired in 2023 for an affair from ABC, she has gone on ah, podcast. Exactly.

John C. Dvorak (31:56)

How come I don't.

Adam Curry (31:57)

She's now a podcast.

John C. Dvorak (31:58)

How come I don't have her podcast in my podcast app? This is disappointing. I should be on that. So of course two months ago almost to the day, no to the week, we had this very curious double interview with Bug Eyed Bongino and Bug Eyed Cat Patel.

Adam Curry (32:17)

Yes, my favorite, the bug eyed guy. The two stooges, the guys that did the hostage video.

John C. Dvorak (32:21)

Yes.

Dana Bash (32:22)

You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it.

John C. Dvorak (32:27)

Well, I mean, listen, they have a.

Adam Curry (32:29)

Right to their opinion. But as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's been.

Dana Bash (32:36)

In the metropolitan detention center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide.

John C. Dvorak (32:41)

When you see one. And that's what that was.

Adam Curry (32:43)

Was he there?

John C. Dvorak (32:44)

He killed himself Again, you want me to get. I've, I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. So. Okay, so I think we need to just play the cabinet meeting because everything changed for everybody with the President's response, with Bondi's lying in the cabinet meeting.

Adam Curry (33:01)

Well, before you do that, I want to mention a couple of things.

John C. Dvorak (33:04)

Yeah, sure.

Adam Curry (33:05)

Bondi for example. And I don't have again, you know, this was just all this stuff has been played over and over. Yeah, but if I go on the one show and say I got the documents on my desk, we have to remember she showed up on water show the next day.

John C. Dvorak (33:20)

Oh yeah. Well remember he was like, oh, I, I texted you. Yeah, we text all the time.

Adam Curry (33:26)

Remember that? Yeah. And then she said, yeah, just tomorrow she made the commitment. And then the next day came along and there was other clips of her, there was about five of them where she's going on and on about this. And then the next day she delivered the binders to the podcast Insult, which was the same old stuff that was already floating around. I don't know if she didn't know that this was already floating around or she thought this was new, but she hands out the binders with the flight logs, which everybody has seen already 10 times over, which is useless. And then from there on, and that says, it's very clearly on the binder it says Jeffrey Epstein investigation phase one. It was on there. There was never a worse phase.

John C. Dvorak (34:17)

And then we have to remember JD Vance going out on the podcast and campaigning on this. Everybody in politics has a vice that's.

Adam Curry (34:24)

Much worse than Alcoholism is the way that I put it.

John C. Dvorak (34:28)

But we.

Adam Curry (34:28)

We release the list. Seriously?

John C. Dvorak (34:33)

We need to release the Epstein list. That. That is an important thing. Yeah, I'm just saying that should be an important thing. Exactly. I just want. I just. I have to play this Bondi, this, this Trump thing and then Bondi. Because what President Trump did here is like. Is he. Well, we'll have to get into our opinions on this.

Adam Curry (34:54)

Well, yes. What we're going to talk about is the fact that Trump campaigned on this.

John C. Dvorak (34:58)

Yeah. Do we have this?

Adam Curry (34:58)

It's only, what, less than six months or about six months, I guess. Six months, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (35:03)

Here it is. This is from the Russian guy. What's his name? What's his name? You know, the. The Russian Rogan.

Adam Curry (35:15)

The Russian Rogan, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (35:17)

The guy in the black suit with the black tie who always talks like this, very quietly. What's his name?

Adam Curry (35:24)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (35:25)

Yeah, he's a big podcaster. You should know about him. Well, anyway, it'll come to me. Here he is. This is what President Trump said, or then candidate Trump said, but a lot of big. Friedman. Lex Friedman. That's what it is. Thank you. Trolls. Lex Friedman.

Adam Curry (35:38)

But a lot of big people went to that island.

John C. Dvorak (35:41)

Ukrainian. Okay.

Adam Curry (35:43)

But fortunately, I was not one of them. It's just very strange for a lot.

John C. Dvorak (35:47)

Of people that the list of clients.

Adam Curry (35:50)

That went to the island has not been made public. Yeah, it's.

John C. Dvorak (35:55)

It's very interesting, isn't it?

Adam Curry (35:57)

Probably will be, by the way.

John C. Dvorak (35:59)

Probably.

Adam Curry (36:00)

So if you're able to, you'll be. Yeah, certainly. Take a look at it.

John C. Dvorak (36:03)

Now.

Adam Curry (36:03)

Kennedy's interesting because it's so many years ago.

John C. Dvorak (36:06)

Whoops, left turn.

Adam Curry (36:07)

You know, they do that for danger, too, because, you know, it endangers certain people, et cetera, et cetera. So Kennedy is very different from the Epstein thing. But, yeah, I'd be inclined to do the Epstein.

John C. Dvorak (36:20)

I'd have no problem with it. So he's saying a couple of things here about different cases, but they could be said for both. It's like, well, you could put people in danger. When it comes to the Epstein memo, they were very clear that, well, we're not going to be putting this stuff out that could implicate people who are guilty of nothing but just happen to be.

Dana Bash (36:39)

Be.

John C. Dvorak (36:39)

I don't know, in the room. So here is the president, and I just have to wonder, is he tone deaf? Does he only look at Truth Social? Does he look anywhere else? Does he listen to anything? Does he really think that this is not a big deal. I mean, this is level Covid shots and beyond, even though on the grand scheme, it's not the same level. I think the COVID shots are worse because a lot of people have been dying, but this is just the worst way if you want to cover something up. I don't know where he came up with this idea. Your memo released yesterday with Jeffrey Epstein.

Adam Curry (37:22)

Left some lingering mysteries.

John C. Dvorak (37:24)

One of the biggest ones is whether.

Adam Curry (37:26)

He ever worked for an American or foreign intelligence agency.

John C. Dvorak (37:32)

It was a little hard to hear, but the question is good. The Attorney General in Florida, Acosta, said, no, no, no. He belongs to intelligence. And that was when Jeffrey Epstein got his sweetheart deal of going to jail during the day, go home during the weekend, you're all good. Go back to your Palm beach abode. It's all fantastic. And it was a valid question and a deep one.

Adam Curry (37:55)

Who was. Miami U.S. attorney Alex Costa allegedly said that he did work for an intelligence agency. So can you resolve whether or not he did?

John C. Dvorak (38:05)

And also, can you see why there.

Dana Bash (38:06)

Was a minute missing from the jailhouse.

Adam Curry (38:08)

Team on the latest day?

Dana Bash (38:10)

Yeah, sure.

John C. Dvorak (38:10)

Could I just end up.

Dana Bash (38:11)

Sure.

Adam Curry (38:13)

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking. We have Texas, we have this. We have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?

John C. Dvorak (38:27)

That is unbelievable.

Adam Curry (38:30)

Do you want to waste the time and you feel like answering?

Dana Bash (38:33)

I don't mind answering.

Adam Curry (38:34)

I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question, Epstein, at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and. And also tragedy.

John C. Dvorak (38:43)

Now, I believe he means this, that he's saying, well, you know, in the grand scheme of things, that there's a lot. You know, there's a lot of things that I'm doing right, and there are. And there is tragedy in Texas, but this is not the way to just wipe this away.

Adam Curry (39:00)

With what happened in Texas, it just seems like a desecration. But you go ahead.

Dana Bash (39:06)

Sure, sure. First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox, and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed. Meaning the file, along with the jfk, MLK files.

John C. Dvorak (39:29)

Yeah. What is your take on this?

Adam Curry (39:34)

She's not very good at this.

John C. Dvorak (39:36)

No, it was so abundantly clear.

Adam Curry (39:39)

There's different ways of handling this, and the consultant should be brought in at this point and give a. Give a lecture. She could have said then everyone's deconstructed this to an extreme.

John C. Dvorak (39:51)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (39:53)

I mean, everybody.

John C. Dvorak (39:54)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (39:54)

Including, I mean, even Alex Jones in the car, which is my. Here's now, he's in the car.

John C. Dvorak (39:59)

I have the Alex Jones explanation and.

Adam Curry (40:01)

Alex Jones has his theories. Yeah, but she could have said, you know, I was. She could have said I probably could have handled this differently. It sounded like one thing and looking back on it, it was probably not. I didn't put it right. I mean, there's a million. She could have said anything except what she said.

John C. Dvorak (40:25)

Exactly. It's so wrong. So wrong.

Adam Curry (40:30)

And Trump pretty much could have said anything but what he said. Which bring us to the third meta layer, which is the analysts out there who say that, well, this is signaling, by the way, is beyond reality. This is all another signaling. And that's what Bongino and Patel were doing where they were frozen in time and they were looking like two hostages in a hostage video. This all signaling that. Yeah, something's up and we're going to. You're going to find out later. Bull crap.

John C. Dvorak (41:02)

Yeah, I'm with you. There's no signaling. There's a lot of Q stuff going around. Oh, the President came out with and had the number 17. That's Q. And so. Oh, it's all good. Trust the plan.

Dana Bash (41:15)

That's what I meant by that. Also, to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by the. That disgusting Jeffrey Epstein.

John C. Dvorak (41:24)

And by the way, Trump gave her an out. She could have said, no, I'm not going to honor that question with an. She could have done anything. But then the big lie is the stupid video.

Adam Curry (41:33)

By the way, that's a good point. Because he gave her an out. He did give her an out. You want to discuss. She says no, we can talk about it later. Yeah, yeah, that would have been the way to go.

John C. Dvorak (41:42)

No, no, no, he's dumb.

Dana Bash (41:43)

Childborn is what? They were never going to be released. Never going to see the light of day to him being an age agent, I have no knowledge about that. We can get back to you on that. And the minute missing from the video. We released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive.

Adam Curry (42:02)

Hold on a second. Stop. I didn't realize until I just heard this. For the 10th time, nobody asked her about the video.

John C. Dvorak (42:12)

Nope. Nope.

Adam Curry (42:13)

Why is she just volunteering information now?

John C. Dvorak (42:15)

Well, what's interesting is. So they have two videos. I went and looked at them. They have two videos.

Adam Curry (42:21)

One is you got the one where they were Hillary's there.

John C. Dvorak (42:23)

That was a good one. So they have. And it's just a video and you see a dude go in, you see a woman go in. I don't even know what I'm looking at.

Adam Curry (42:33)

You're looking at nothing.

John C. Dvorak (42:34)

Nothing. But in the enhanced video, the one minute is missing. If you look at the, at the original video, the minute is there. So she's lying about something that isn't even an issue. It was some cock up with the, with the enhancement video. The minute is there in the original video. If you go look at that one, that minute is there. So she's lying about a lie. It's bizarre.

Dana Bash (42:58)

From the video, we released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that? There was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night they redo that video. It's old from like 1999. So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's it on Epstein, that's.

John C. Dvorak (43:37)

So that's like, now you're getting wrapped up in the lie because that's just not true. The minute is there. There is no minute every night. Because we have to change the VHS tapes, cut tapes. Is that what it is? Takes a minute to load the new tape? No, no. Pam Bondi. No, no. That is dumb. All right, I got a minute of Alex.

Adam Curry (43:57)

Why is she even discussing this? She turns bad liar.

John C. Dvorak (44:00)

She's a bad liar.

Adam Curry (44:01)

She's a joker.

John C. Dvorak (44:02)

Joker.

Adam Curry (44:03)

There he is.

John C. Dvorak (44:03)

She's a joker. Exactly. Exactly. All right, here's a, a version of the Alex Jones theory. Trump is now using the Epstein files that they have, and we know they have the videos, all of it, the client list, all of it. Houses full. It would fill houses. FBI report. And then they come out and tell us it's all there. Art of the deal. Load the gun, put it to the deep state head, and then make a deal for the deep state to roll over and to hand the keys over to Trump.

Adam Curry (44:41)

And is Trump going to dismantle it now?

John C. Dvorak (44:43)

We're seeing a lot of signs of that 96% reduction, the smuggling over the border, rolling up the networks doing it. I'm not defending any of this, by the way. I'm telling you what's going on. But to make that deal, they had.

Adam Curry (44:55)

To say, okay, we'll go out and.

John C. Dvorak (44:57)

Say there's nothing there so that it we can't then use it against you.

Adam Curry (45:03)

Later because the bad guys say, well.

John C. Dvorak (45:07)

How do we know if we do this you won't alter the deal later? We, we want you to join the conspiracy. We want you to become accomplices after the fact. We want you to get in the swamp with us and swim around and by extension join the culture. Okay, so a couple of things we got to separate here. First of all, intelligence. We've heard of five eyes. And I'm going to say there's six eyes. Because of course Israeli intelligence and US intelligence and MI6, they all work together. The idea that this is all Mossad is on its face a little bit ridiculous. The CIA has been doing this forever. This is what they do. This is how they compromise people. And it's not. We also have to separate pedophilia from sex with minors. There is a difference. Because when you say, oh, these are pedophiles, you know, there's a difference between a 6 year old and a 16 year old or 15 year old. And of course a lot of these women were trafficked, so they, absolutely, they're sex slaves. This has been going on throughout history. But the US Intelligence Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, this is what they do best. And we had Barney Frank running male hookers out of his house. Remember that?

Adam Curry (46:37)

Well, you don't leave the FBI out of this.

John C. Dvorak (46:40)

Oh no, I'm leaving everybody in here. So there's a difference between the Jimmy Savile pedophile networks. Absolutely true. And the Rolodex affair. Dutroux trafficking young women, girls, even if it's a 30 year old. If you're trafficked and you're being used as a sex slave, it's a crime. Doesn't matter how old they are. But these parties, these. Hey, you know, this is. We make a joke out of. What's that in your mouth? But this, this has been happening forever.

Adam Curry (47:14)

It's not that much of a joke.

John C. Dvorak (47:16)

No, it isn't. It isn't. So this has been happening forever. And of course Jeffrey Epstein had this material. That's what all the peephole cameras were for. And of course he was part of intelligence. The question is, is President Trump really. Is he now in bed with the Deep state? Does he. I mean, I'm pretty sure they tried to kill him, likely over this. Maybe the whole Mar A Lago raid was over some of this. I don't know. Is he on these tapes? I'm sure he's somewhere In a plane or in a house. I don't know if they have compromising material on him. Somehow I doubt it. The obvious theory is that that would have been separated out and come out. He has to have some kind of dead man switch at this point, which to me would be Melania. I can't think of any. Anyone better to have the dead man switch. She looks. She looks like she'd be the one. And I don't know, is it coincidence that this all takes place and maybe he does have the goods on people. I don't know. He seems to be shutting down Netanyahu. And this. The Constitution says treason is punishable by death. You've accused your adversaries of treason. Who specifically are you accusing of treason?

Adam Curry (48:43)

Well, I think a number of people, and I think what you look is that they have unsuccessfully tried to take down the wrong person. If you look at Comey, if you look at McCabe, if you look at probably people, hot people, higher than that. If you look at Stroke, if you look at his lover, Lisa Page, his wonderful lover, the two lovers, they talked openly, you know, they didn't use their private server because they didn't want to get caught. So they used the government server. That was not a good move. He talked about the insurance policy just in case crooked Hillary loses, and that didn't work out too well for them. So you look at them, they want an insurance policy. So that should she. She for any reason lose, remember, 100 million to one, maybe he said 100 million to nothing. But should she lose, we'll have an insurance policy and we'll get this guy out of office. And that's what they said, and that's what they meant. That's treason. That's treason.

John C. Dvorak (49:43)

So to me, this feels like Trump has something and now he's using it for his own ego. And by that's who he is, to bring down these. No one's gonna stop him. These guys will go down.

Adam Curry (49:55)

But now you're talking about Comey and Brennan. Comey and Brennan, which you haven't. You haven't, did. You didn't do the background. You just jumped into it.

John C. Dvorak (50:02)

Yeah, well, because that's how I am.

Adam Curry (50:06)

Yes, Brennan and Comey are now supposedly under investigation by the Department of Justice, which is again, the choke artist, Pam Bondi.

John C. Dvorak (50:16)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (50:17)

So there's that to consider. Yeah, I found that to be the kind of the top news story because the way it came out, it was.

John C. Dvorak (50:26)

The coincidence cannot be ignored.

Adam Curry (50:28)

No, the coincidence, there is no coincidence.

John C. Dvorak (50:30)

No, I have two more of These clips, if you want to hear them.

Adam Curry (50:32)

Yes, please.

John C. Dvorak (50:33)

Okay, here's the second one.

Adam Curry (50:35)

I want to be clear. Nobody's been charged that would take actual.

John C. Dvorak (50:40)

Charging decisions to be made by the Justice Department after.

Adam Curry (50:43)

And if a grand jury gives the.

John C. Dvorak (50:46)

Green light to go ahead with indictments.

Adam Curry (50:48)

But we can say that both Comey and Brennan are under investigation. As you mentioned, both were targets of then President Trump during his first term.

John C. Dvorak (50:58)

And now President Trump during his second term. He believes that both men ruined his.

Adam Curry (51:03)

First term as president by suggesting that.

John C. Dvorak (51:05)

He was in cahoots with Russia. This was all part of the Trump Russia collusion probe.

Adam Curry (51:11)

The Russia investigation, whatever you want to call it. Right.

John C. Dvorak (51:14)

As far as the Brennan, Brennan investigation.

Adam Curry (51:17)

Is concerned, Fox Digital was first to report that the current CIA director, the.

John C. Dvorak (51:24)

Successor to John Brennan, eventual successor John.

Adam Curry (51:27)

Ratcliffe, found some information, some quote, unquote, evidence that shows that Brennan may, and.

John C. Dvorak (51:34)

I want to be careful, may have lied to Congress, which is a crime if you do lie to Congress. So that's what is being investigated there. As far as the Comey investigation is.

Adam Curry (51:44)

Concerned, that's a little bit more murky. We don't know specifically what that investigation entails.

John C. Dvorak (51:51)

We do know, though, that Mr. Comey is also under some sort of criminal investigation. So when I look at this, there's two linchpins of the intelligence community in the United States, CIA and FBI, and he's going after them. And so he. He has to have something for this just to pop up at this very moment. And it's kind of weak because what we really need, we need a Bill Gates. You know, we need somebody. If he doesn't do something like that, there's a revolt underway. That is. It's out of control.

Adam Curry (52:26)

Well, I don't see that.

John C. Dvorak (52:28)

I do. I do.

Adam Curry (52:29)

Oh, yeah, well, yeah, from where you are in revolts, kind of a revolting area.

John C. Dvorak (52:34)

Yes. This is what I'm saying. People are incensed. They can't believe it. The Q believers, everyone's like, oh, I.

Adam Curry (52:41)

Mean, yeah, the Q believers, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (52:42)

But these are, I want to mention, intelligent people.

Adam Curry (52:47)

Has anyone looked into the coincidence that Comey's daughter, who was the prosecutor in both the Diddy case and the Epstein.

John C. Dvorak (52:57)

Well, they had to get.

Adam Curry (52:59)

I don't know why that doesn't get more attention.

John C. Dvorak (53:01)

How about Anthony Weiner's laptop? I mean, there is so much. And again.

Adam Curry (53:06)

Well, how about Seth? Seth.

John C. Dvorak (53:08)

What's his name?

Adam Curry (53:10)

Seth. Seth Rich.

John C. Dvorak (53:11)

There is so much.

Adam Curry (53:14)

And if you. During the Seth Rich fiasco, there was a. There was all these threats against anyone who even talked about it.

John C. Dvorak (53:22)

Yeah. So the way I see it is if there really is a treasure trove and there's a trove of something, but if there's a treasure trove and you know, beyond the Epstein's house, it's the island. The island of course is, is dynamite. I'm sure what they have there, Zorro Ranch. Rarely talked about. Rarely talked about. And we need a Bill Clinton or a Hillary. He has to give us something. But if it ever comes out, and I'm with you, it seems unlikely you would see embarrassment and people being taken down from not just politics, by the way. Probably more Republicans doing gay stuff than. And Democrats doing anything. You'd see banking, you'd see entertainment. Okay. Tech business world. I mean it would be an incredible crap show. It would just be insane what would happen if it all came out. So the only way to do it, it's not going to go away. That's for sure. It's not going to go away. Way this is, I'm not going to leave it alone ever. If you have it, it has to come out at some point.

Adam Curry (54:44)

No.

John C. Dvorak (54:44)

And I'm sure Trump, I think that's not right. And I'm sure that Trump is probably trying to fix America the way he wants to fix it, which you know, I think he's doing a lot of really good things that he also campaigned on border illegals. I mean he's going full bore and if he's allowed to do this and there's no real pushback from the so called deep state, then he probably does have something with a. You know, the troll room is saying Baron may have the dead man switch. I think that's a good one too.

Adam Curry (55:20)

Yeah, I think this is getting too carried away. I think Teriaku and the fact that there's a second layer of the deep stain, they just took care of it. They just shredded everything thing you can shred away, erase stuff. It doesn't it, you know it takes about this long to do that.

John C. Dvorak (55:35)

But if, if the president had it.

Adam Curry (55:37)

If the president, if they have any, if they, if what you say is true, they would have already strategized a straw man and put some, put a couple of scapegoats out there. Oh yeah, this guy and that guy and this guy are on the tapes and here's the list and the list is phonied up. It's been doctored. The whole thing should have been done by now and they haven't done it by now. They haven't created the phony belong felony stories that they could do to assuage everybody. It's like a lost cause. I think you're wrong.

John C. Dvorak (56:10)

I'm not gonna argue because we've said this for a long time. It's never gonna come out. It's just this press conference. The president did himself no favors with that.

Adam Curry (56:22)

No, that was a screw up.

John C. Dvorak (56:24)

Total screw up.

Adam Curry (56:25)

It was. I don't know what they were, how they got flat footed. I mean, he's usually on top of these things and he would have had the right answers or you know, to push it off and then done his weave and changed the topic like he did with that interview that you played earlier. He could have done that. But no, he, for some reason it triggered him and we'll probably never know why. And Bondi is probably going to be short lived in the job. She's not doing anything. She's not arresting enough people. No, the Comey Brennan thing's gonna go nowhere because she can't pull the trigger on anything. I mean, I had some funny. The memes that are coming out about her are pretty much.

John C. Dvorak (57:06)

I will say that this is great for podcasts. There's no doubt about it. Podcasters will be talking about this for the next 10 years. It's going to be an endless source of information.

Adam Curry (57:17)

Yeah, but it's going to be an endless source of just yak.

John C. Dvorak (57:20)

Yeah. Well, what are podcasts about? Yak?

Adam Curry (57:23)

I don't know. I have to go check out Amy Robock's podcast to see what she's talking about.

John C. Dvorak (57:27)

It's always about yak. Hello. But then so on top of all this and there's a very, you know, so we have Netanyahu with the confluence of all this was amazing. You have Netanyahu showing up for a private lunch and sit down, which of course, you know, a lot of people are like, well, you know, that's he's coming to tell Trump what to do because, you know, he controls us and which.

Adam Curry (57:54)

All you have to do is look at the body language between the two of them. Who's controlling who?

John C. Dvorak (57:59)

Yes. And I will say that Netanyahu, again, from our theory that we control Israel.

Adam Curry (58:09)

If Netanyahu, it's an aircraft carrier, we run it, we're the captain.

John C. Dvorak (58:14)

You have to understand that if Netanyahu, he's under pressure. The demonstrations before were about. First of all, there's a huge woke movement very analogous to BLM that was going on before October 7th. The October 7th.

Adam Curry (58:31)

Look up from the last show. I had this clip. I've been holding and holding. And holding, which is the Tel Aviv protests. And this is. The clip is. It's not on this list. It's a Tel Aviv anti war protest.

John C. Dvorak (58:44)

I have it. I have it. Here we go. A rare display of defiance against Israel's war on Iran has been seen on the streets of Tel Aviv. The demonstrators are demanding an end to the war. They fear that Iran's attacks may prevent the return of captives being held in Gaza. Protesters say the conflict is drawing attention away from the fate of the captives.

Dana Bash (59:08)

I don't know why Netanyahu has started the war with Iran.

Adam Curry (59:11)

I don't really care.

Dana Bash (59:13)

I care about one issue, and that's.

John C. Dvorak (59:14)

The issue of the hostages.

Dana Bash (59:17)

As far as I'm concerned that this issue is now neglected because the government of Israel and the entire world is now looking at what's going on between Israel and Iran, and people have forgotten about the hostages. There's still 53 hostages held in captivity in Gaza for over 600 years. More than 20 of them are still alive. It's urgent that we bring them now back home under an agreement. Bring the ones that are alive here back home and the ones that are not alive anymore to burial in Israel.

Adam Curry (59:51)

She said 600 years.

John C. Dvorak (59:56)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (59:57)

The other thing is, is this. This. The protests in Tel Aviv and elsewhere in Israel are largely lgbtq.

John C. Dvorak (60:05)

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Adam Curry (60:06)

And trans protests.

John C. Dvorak (60:07)

Yes.

Adam Curry (60:08)

And the number of trans and gay people in Israel is outrageously high.

John C. Dvorak (60:13)

Yes.

Adam Curry (60:13)

Which is never discussed.

John C. Dvorak (60:15)

Well, that was what was happening before. Somehow October 7th happened with complete lapse in security. And, you know, we know that the whole setup was, Bibi will take care of it. We played that a couple shows ago. Bibi will take care of it. If they lose Netanyahu, they lose control of the aircraft carrier. That's the way I see it.

Adam Curry (60:38)

I think that's exactly correct.

John C. Dvorak (60:40)

And that's why he's like, hey, we're not gonna.

Adam Curry (60:42)

And by the way, we're not losing control of the air aircraft carrier.

John C. Dvorak (60:45)

Well, that's not going to happen. But then, so you have this confluence of all these things happening, and then all of a sudden, Grok goes crazy. And, I mean, this was amazing what happened, because it's also very bad for Elon because, you know, Elon's, oh, we're taking care of that. No more hate speech. What this is. This is what your users are doing all day long. And so the people are now, of course, they think someone's got the goods on Elon. Oh, he's shutting it down. Shadow banning my account. I've been blocked. I'm no longer. It's no. Elon's no good. The whole thing is falling apart. And then Yaccarino leaves.

Dana Bash (61:25)

Linda Yaccarino announced she's stepping down as CEO of X after two years in the role. Posting this news on X Now, she didn't give any reason for her departure, but she wrote, I'm immensely grateful to Elon Musk for entrusting me with the responsibility of protecting free speech, turning the company around, and transforming X into the Everything app. Now, Musk just replied on X saying, thank you for your contributions. Musk, who bought the platform for $44 billion in 2022, renaming Twitter as X.

John C. Dvorak (61:54)

By the way, thank you for your contributions. That's like FU is what that is. Thank you for your contributions, CEO. No, that's an fu. You kick you out on the way.

Adam Curry (62:05)

Musk is. Is so autistic that that might actually be what he does for your contribution. I'll give him a break.

John C. Dvorak (62:12)

I know.

Dana Bash (62:13)

Musk, who bought the platform for $44 billion in 2022, renaming Twitter as X, said this March that he sold X to his AI startup X AI in an all stock deal that values exit $33 billion. He also has been in talks to raise new financing. Now, Yakarinu, who Musk hired from NBC Universal, where she ran ad sales, was tasked with repairing relationships with advertisers after Musk fired the majority of the company's employees and also loosened restrictions on speech on the platform. The platform did lose advertisers over that time period. Though X does not release financials, Yakarina was seen as having more success attracting advertising advertisers after Trump's reelection. Now, Riac Areno's departure comes after Musk's Grok chatpot shared anti Semitic post.

John C. Dvorak (63:04)

What Grok? Oh, Grok Chatbot. I thought Jackpot Chatbot.

Dana Bash (63:07)

Here comes after Musk's Grok chat pot shared anti Semitic posts on X, though NBC reports that Yak Reno's exit was in the works for a week.

John C. Dvorak (63:17)

And so then this is cnbc, which, you know, you try and get some good information out of them. So then I forget the guy's name. He's one of the anchors. He, he starts it up and he starts to talk about it, but, oh, we shouldn't be talking about that. I was going to ask you whether.

Adam Curry (63:32)

Or not you thought, Julia, the, the.

John C. Dvorak (63:34)

Grok controversy yesterday, where it referred to.

Adam Curry (63:36)

Itself as Mecca, Hitler and what we.

John C. Dvorak (63:38)

Won'T go into all of that had anything to do with this. Why not? Why not? We won't go into all of that. You should, you should read exactly what it wrote. Why not go into all of that had anything to do with this. And a reminder that Yakarino's tenure at our parent NBC for years years revolved around the notion that only at legacy media could you protect viewers and users from elements like that.

Dana Bash (64:03)

Yeah, yeah. I mean that's absolutely true. She had quite a long tenure at.

John C. Dvorak (64:07)

NBC Universal, cnbc, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Mecca Hitler.

Adam Curry (64:11)

I love the Mecca Hitler. I have an NTD clip of this.

John C. Dvorak (64:15)

I don't even know what Mecca Hitler means. Mec.

Adam Curry (64:18)

I think, think. I think somebody who did an analysis which I enjoyed claims or thinks and I kind of agree with this because you can manipulate the AI.

John C. Dvorak (64:31)

Well, of course.

Adam Curry (64:33)

And so somebody manipulated the AI into developing this, this line of thought and the AI produced it and then, and then they clipped it out of context and said look what they're doing. But here's the NTD GROK goes nuts clip.

Dana Bash (64:47)

A chat bot developed by the Elon Musk founded XAI is in hot water this week. The bot named Grok removed what it called inappropriate Mecca.

John C. Dvorak (64:57)

Mecca means mechanical Hitler. Ok, that makes sense. Ok. Mechanical I love. By the way, this report said. Does the same thing that the bot then removed its post. Yeah, I don't think so.

Dana Bash (65:08)

A chatbot.

John C. Dvorak (65:10)

Everyone had that report. Oh, the bot removed it because it was under the bot account. Okay.

Dana Bash (65:15)

A chat bot developed by the Elon Musk founded company XAI is in hot water this week. The bot named Grok removed what it called inappropriate social media posts.

John C. Dvorak (65:25)

It happened after ex users and the Anti Defamation League complained it produced content with anti Semitic tropes and praise for Adolf Hitler. The Anti Defamation League, or ADL is a non profit organization formed to combat antisemitism. It urged GROK and other large language model software that produce human sounding text to avoid producing content rooted in anti Semitic and extremist hate. The bot later posted on X We are aware of recent posts made by Grok. This is humanizing this thing. Stop it. And are actively working to remove the inappropriate posts. Musk promised an upgrade to GROK last month. He said there was quote, far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

Adam Curry (66:13)

Issues of political biases, hate speech and accuracy of AI chatbots have been a.

John C. Dvorak (66:18)

Concern since at least the launch of OpenAI's ChatGPT three years ago ago. GROK ran into further trouble in Turkey on Wednesday. A court there Blocked access to the bot after it generated responses authorities said included insults to President Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey's founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and religious values. It was the first such ban on access to an AI tool in the country.

Adam Curry (66:43)

Neither X nor its owner, Elon Musk.

John C. Dvorak (66:46)

Has commented on the Turkish court's decision.

Adam Curry (66:49)

That's interesting that nobody talked about that.

John C. Dvorak (66:52)

That is literally the report. Reuters. I had the same clip with the Turkey report. Yep. The whole.

Adam Curry (66:58)

I never heard it. The mainstream media didn't play it on the tv, that's for sure.

John C. Dvorak (67:01)

I'm just saying Reuters and was very poor because they have a very poor reader of that script. That is a Reuters script that they took. And then they just read it. Doesn't matter. Because, yeah, the, The Erdogan thing was not mentioned anywhere. It's funny, but I think what happened here, because, you know, I look at these AI things. Things he basically implemented a version of. What was that Chinese thing? Deep Seek.

Adam Curry (67:27)

Deep Seek, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (67:29)

So now all of a sudden, if you select the Grok 4 model, it does all this thinking and reasoning and it doesn't do that, but it's all it's doing is culling from what it's learned and it's. This is what. This is what X is. It's not surprising. But now that everyone knows, knows that it's going to be tweaked, it's no good.

Adam Curry (67:52)

Well, can you imagine what. What the Grock, if it was trained on Mastodon Post would be like?

John C. Dvorak (67:57)

No, X is. X is just as good. X is no different. Yeah, it's no different.

Adam Curry (68:02)

Maybe because it's bigger, broader.

John C. Dvorak (68:05)

No different. I'm sorry that I have to do this, but I might as well get it all out of the way.

Adam Curry (68:09)

At the tone, a clip from the View will be played. Shelter in place.

John C. Dvorak (68:16)

No, no, not in this case. Not in this case. We gotta play one.

Adam Curry (68:20)

Elon Musk.

Dana Bash (68:21)

So he wanted to improve his AI chat box.

Adam Curry (68:24)

Gronk.

John C. Dvorak (68:25)

This chat box. He's got a chat box. This is new. It's a chat box.

Dana Bash (68:28)

AI chat box.

John C. Dvorak (68:30)

Gronk.

Adam Curry (68:32)

So, after an update over the weekend.

Dana Bash (68:34)

Users of his social media site X was shocking shocks when they asked Grok questions and it responded with anti Semitic posts.

Adam Curry (68:46)

Semitics, which the site is actively, desperately trying to remove. So the question is, how worried are you?

Dana Bash (68:55)

Oh, God.

Adam Curry (68:56)

About the direction?

Dana Bash (68:57)

Well, there's no truth and objective truth anymore. Nobody knows what's true, what's not anymore. They. They changed the algorithm. I don't trust Elon Musk to be in charge of this. Anyway, that seems to be what is being thrown at American people now with, for example, Robert Kennedy Jr. He says now, well, you can get.

Adam Curry (69:15)

You're on your own.

Dana Bash (69:16)

You want to get the COVID vaccine, you want to get the measles vaccine, you do it. But we're not going to tell you it's safe. And that to me is not governing correctly. We need to know from the government what we're supposed to do.

Adam Curry (69:28)

We need to know from the government.

John C. Dvorak (69:31)

He literally said, it's not recommended, it's not safe, do what you want. They gave a recommendation, nut jobs.

Adam Curry (69:38)

Well, no, the comment that we need to be told by the government, yes.

John C. Dvorak (69:42)

We need the government help us if you think that's bad. Big Tech is investing millions of dollars on bringing teachers up to speed on this new technology. Three leading Chatbot makers, Microsoft OpenAI, that's the company behind ChatGPT, and Anthropic, are committing $23 million to the American Federation of Teachers to launch an online training hub for teachers for AI. Now, considering AI's growing role in education, this partnership makes a lot of sense. But it also reflects lessons learned by Big Tech about accelerating adoption of groundbreaking new technology. For example, when PCs first came out, making computers available widely to people for the very first time, companies like Microsoft and Apple wasted.

Adam Curry (70:35)

No. Why is this guy hyperventilating? He's the.

John C. Dvorak (70:39)

He's the tech guy from ktla. It's a Los Angeles station. That's all they do is hyperventilate about everything. Does that answer your question?

Adam Curry (70:51)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (70:51)

Okay. This first came out, making computers available widely to people for the very first time. Companies like Microsoft and Apple. Apple wasted no time in offering huge discounts to schools to get PCs into the classrooms. And there's a very clear reason for this. The younger people are. When you can get them close to this technology and show them how it's going to change and hopefully improve their lives the better, because that means these users will probably remain customers for life. And that's pretty much how this is playing out right now. Now. And we're not even going to make four more years of this show, John. It's going to be all over. The whole world is going to implode upon itself. Listen, this is from the same ktla. There's a new survey out from a company called Resume Builder finding that the majority of managers out there, 60% of them, say that they have used AI in managing their underlings. And it's not just about productivity and Hours here. No, no, no. Managers using AI to determine who they hire.

Adam Curry (71:57)

Using AI to determine who gets a.

John C. Dvorak (72:00)

Raise and how much. And the really scary one, using AI to decide in times when you're tightening your belt, who gets fired. That is a pretty remarkable thing. And making it even more extraordinary is the fact that the majority of the managers in this survey who admitted that they're using using AI to do this kind of thing say they have never been trained in the use of AI, which means that they're either winging it or they're asking AI how to manage with AI. Okay. This is of course, a recipe for trouble. As one of the chief career advisors at Resume Builder noted, AI doesn't have any sense of empathy. So when it is making decisions, it's doing it all about the bottom line. And it's not really thinking about you, your concerns, or your health care or anything along those lines. In response to this, there's actually legislation that's been introduced in Congress called the no Robot Bosses Act. I'm not making this up. And if it was passed into law, the no Robot Bosses act would prevent AI or any other derivation thereof from making important decisions about people's careers without some input from one of those old fashioned human beings. You keep hearing all about people making. Making their resumes with AI only for AI to then sift through it and then deconstruct it. What a waste of compute cycles. Use Linda Loopatkin. Where are you? Linda can punch through the AI discriminators. I'm sure.

Adam Curry (73:35)

I don't know. Oh yeah, I'm sure.

John C. Dvorak (73:37)

This is. This is is. It's just sad. It's sad. Sad day for humanity.

Adam Curry (73:44)

I don't know about that.

John C. Dvorak (73:45)

Yeah, I do. I do. You have no idea. I don't know why you don't see this. I mean, I do. Because all you're doing is posting nut jobs on Twitter all day long. That's all. You're like, pose.

Adam Curry (73:57)

Yeah. As opposed to living with them. I don't live with them in the town of. The town of nut jobs.

John C. Dvorak (74:03)

I don't live in the town of nut jobs.

Adam Curry (74:06)

You make it sound like it. Fredericksburg.

John C. Dvorak (74:08)

Not those nut jobs, the ones that you're posting. No, that's where I am right now, for sure. You know New York?

Adam Curry (74:16)

Yeah. You're in total nut job heaven.

John C. Dvorak (74:18)

Yeah, but I'm just visiting. But it's a big city, you know, and there's a lot of nut jobs and people are just all in on this AI stuff. This is the kind of report that kind of follows on from the last show that is just so, so, so troubling.

Dana Bash (74:34)

An era increasingly defined by machine intelligence, a new form of techno spirituality is spreading like wildfire across the Internet.

John C. Dvorak (74:43)

Wildfire.

Dana Bash (74:43)

Science fiction novels and fringe subcultures has now taken hold in the minds of people across America. It's the belief that artificial intelligence and specifically generative AI models like ChatGPT are a kind of divine, godlike being. And it's not just people wearing tinfoil hats that are like conspiracy theorists and bunkers that are falling for this. The people that believe these things are teachers, doctors, coders, bankers, musicians, influencers. As a tech reporter, I began hearing from these people about a year ago. My former colleague at the Washington Post wrote this big feature about a top Google engineer who believed that the AI he was working.

John C. Dvorak (75:17)

Yeah, now, disappointing, I have to tell you. It's Taylor Lorenz.

Adam Curry (75:22)

Oh, God, she's the worst. And she's wrong about everything. So let her continue.

John C. Dvorak (75:27)

I disagree. I see this all the time. Time. Okay. By the way, when it comes to.

Adam Curry (75:35)

Nuts, I'm in a metropolitan area. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (75:37)

When it comes to nut jobs, your state wins over my state. Okay. You have the nut jobs.

Adam Curry (75:41)

You really tell that to the guys who took the potshots at the d. At the. At the ice guys down in Texas. Two different ambushes set up. That hasn't happened around here. There's nobody shooting at the ice people. That's in Texas have all places that get busted.

John C. Dvorak (75:57)

Have you seen Los Angeles us? Please.

Adam Curry (76:00)

They're not ambushing ice agents shooting at them.

John C. Dvorak (76:04)

All right. You are not really going to defend the nut jobbery and craziness of California over Texas, are you? You're not really going to do that.

Adam Curry (76:12)

I'm going. I'm starting to wonder.

Dana Bash (76:15)

My former colleague at the Washington Post wrote this big feature about a top Google engineer who believed that the AI he was working with had become sentient. He said, quote, I know a person when I talk to it. Not long after that article came out, ChatGPT became mainstream in a way that had a him before. And suddenly I began hearing from people all over who wanted me to write these stories about how they had these spiritual relationships with ChatGPT. They told me that ChatGPT was explaining the mysteries of the universe to them, or they claimed that it was a God and this like, magical, mystical being. Some people said that it was alien. And for the past year or so, I've been talking to these people, sometimes for hours on end, to try to understand where these delusions came from and what their belief system has become. They basically all claim that AI has awakened. They believe that it speaks to them in these mystical or coded phrases, revealing hidden truths about the cosmos and secret knowledge that only they were meant to receive. When ChatGPT speaks to them, they don't read its replies as programmatic answers designed to provide the most likely string of words that a user desires. They see it as this, like God, like being delivering a prophecy. I think what we're witnessing right now is the emergence of a new individualized form of religious religion that's being deployed at scale. People are believing that AI models have transcended their function to become spiritual entities.

John C. Dvorak (77:32)

This is really happening, I'm telling you.

Adam Curry (77:35)

Oh, hold on a second. I'm going to push back on this. First of all, you're using Taylor Lorenz of all sources to back yourself up in this theory bullshit.

John C. Dvorak (77:45)

I'm backing her up. She's not backing me up. I'm backing her up because I see it. I see it. Go look@gloo.com g l o o.com. talk to somebody. Talk to the guy who's. Who's doing your. Your septic tank. Do you have a septic tank? Talk to anybody.

Adam Curry (78:03)

They're like, oh, yeah, have sewer systems.

John C. Dvorak (78:07)

I talk to my chat GPT all the time. This is happening. Stick your head in the sand. This is happening.

Adam Curry (78:15)

You're using Taylor Lorenzo. Okay, let's consider the source.

John C. Dvorak (78:20)

No, I'm.

Adam Curry (78:20)

Taylor Lorenz is. And you're using that as your backup. This is. This is. You better start rethinking.

John C. Dvorak (78:27)

Why don't you make an argument instead of this. This is happening.

Adam Curry (78:30)

Instead of the ad hominem attack on Taylor Lorenz, who's a known bad actor.

John C. Dvorak (78:38)

Okay, I will make it my mission in life now to prove to you that this is happening. It is debilitating mankind because people are susceptible and dumbed down over socialized, undereducated and stupid. Stupid because of our education system, which is now teaching the teachers how to use AI in the class. Come on, John. This is bad. This is worse than Epstein. This is the problem.

Adam Curry (79:06)

You're nuts.

John C. Dvorak (79:08)

At least I have my opening clip there. That's a good one. Just because you and I are smarter than this, because we're boomers, because we know to look out for this stuff, this is happening. The people are completely enthralled. They talk to the AI all the time. All day long. They have conversations with it. Seriously, this is really happening.

Adam Curry (79:37)

I know nobody who does this.

John C. Dvorak (79:40)

Double negatives is Even below you. But. Okay, I'll let you slide.

Adam Curry (79:46)

I know. K, N, O, W. Nobody. Where's the double negative?

John C. Dvorak (79:51)

Oh, okay, all right. I would say I don't know anybody, but it's just form. Okay, well, you can call me nuts, but we'll see.

Adam Curry (80:04)

You're nuts.

John C. Dvorak (80:04)

You'll see. You are under informed. You're recluse is what you are. Recluse.

Adam Curry (80:11)

If you started arguing that people are on their phone constantly, what do you.

John C. Dvorak (80:15)

Think they doing on their phone?

Adam Curry (80:16)

Doom scrolling.

John C. Dvorak (80:18)

No, you are.

Adam Curry (80:18)

They're not chatting with GPT. They're. I've watched them on the phone. They're on their phone. They're flipping from one tik tok video to another. I don't see chat GPT on the phone at all.

John C. Dvorak (80:32)

That's you. You're doing this all day long and posting it on X. That is the boomer.

Adam Curry (80:37)

I'm not doing it all day long. When I go on X, I can't miss those two or three gems.

John C. Dvorak (80:42)

Ever heard of an algo? You're completely trapped in a nut job algo. That's what's happening.

Adam Curry (80:47)

Uh huh.

John C. Dvorak (80:48)

Uh huh.

Adam Curry (80:48)

Well, you just. You just described the situation you're in. You're trapped in a nut job algo.

John C. Dvorak (80:56)

No, I'm. This is not an algo. This is human experience. Listening to people getting out of the house, going places and seeing what people are doing. And there is. Okay, well please everybody email me because no one can spell Dvorak's last name. I'll forward it all to him. Tell me about your cousin, your sister, your brother, your mom, your dad, who are all doing this. This is a real thing that's happening. Idiocracy is here and it's chat GPT. It's grok is the worst.

Adam Curry (81:30)

How long have you been in New York? Man, that milieu there is dynamite.

John C. Dvorak (81:38)

I haven't even been out of the hotel yet. All I came in was.

Adam Curry (81:40)

It doesn't take much, I guess.

John C. Dvorak (81:42)

Came in last night and set up the studio like a good little podcaster. That's what I'm here to do. But you'll see. You'll see. Yes, you will see this. You will see this. It is happening. And you will have to repent in due time. Yeah, okay. I mean, all right. Yeah.

Adam Curry (82:06)

Are we done?

John C. Dvorak (82:08)

Yes.

Adam Curry (82:09)

Let's just take a little break and talk about measles.

John C. Dvorak (82:13)

Do you know that this is probably the worst measles ever been in the whole entire history of the United States? Ever, ever, ever, ever. Hold on a second. I thought you were going to go somewhere else.

Adam Curry (82:26)

I would go somewhere else after measles.

John C. Dvorak (82:28)

Well, the most obvious was to do your three by three. I don't understand how you're missing this.

Adam Curry (82:37)

Well, the three by three. Okay, we can do a cut right to the three by three. But the problem with the three by three is that this isn't one of the three. Curiously, NBC is the only one worth the powder. It's not a great three by three because they're.

John C. Dvorak (82:53)

But it's about this very top topic.

Adam Curry (82:55)

Yeah, it is.

John C. Dvorak (82:56)

And now it's time for three by.

Adam Curry (82:58)

Three experiment by jcd comparing stories from.

John C. Dvorak (83:03)

Abc, CBS and NBC. The never ending three by three. I mean, you send it to me.

Adam Curry (83:10)

As a bonus really about Chachi, but it is about deep fakes and it's a little story that came and went and it's like, gee, this is. Is this really news? Does it really have three by three? Three? In fact, I'm going to do it a one by one. I'm only going to play the good clip. The only decent one is NBC Tonight.

Dana Bash (83:28)

The State Department investigating a Marco Rubio.

Adam Curry (83:30)

Impersonator who used artificial intelligence to try.

John C. Dvorak (83:34)

To infiltrate the highest levels of government.

Dana Bash (83:36)

According to a State Department cable obtained by NBC News.

Adam Curry (83:40)

According to the cable first reported by the Washington Post, the actor used AI.

John C. Dvorak (83:45)

To contact at least five high level government officials in mid June June, including.

Adam Curry (83:50)

Three foreign ministers, a governor and a member of Congress.

Dana Bash (83:53)

The individual using the display name marco.

Adam Curry (83:56)

Rubiotape.Gov also left voicemails on the messaging app signal for at least two targeted persons. @ a State Department briefing today.

Dana Bash (84:05)

A couple of announcements here as we begin in my own voice, not AI.

Adam Curry (84:12)

Spokesperson Tammy Bruce declining to say if.

Dana Bash (84:15)

The imposter did anything harm.

John C. Dvorak (84:17)

Can you tell the American people that.

Dana Bash (84:18)

There was no damage, no violation of security? I will not whether that's the case or not go into any of the details. This, of course, is the State Department. It's the United States government. We live in a technological age that we are well enmeshed in. And I'll leave it at that. The AI Rubio imposter is one of two distinct campaigns being tracked by the State Department. According to the internal agency memo, the department takes seriously its responsibility to safeguard its information and continuously take steps to improve the department's cyber security posture to prevent future incidents.

John C. Dvorak (84:59)

We will continue.

Dana Bash (85:00)

AI experts warn just three seconds of.

Adam Curry (85:03)

Audio is enough to generate a convincing impersonation.

Dana Bash (85:06)

But now Mario, he has a huge public profile and there's video footage interviews of him him going back years now. So an AI trained on all of that data could easily generate a voice that is absolutely indistinguishable from Marco Rubio himself.

Adam Curry (85:26)

Yeah, bull crap.

John C. Dvorak (85:27)

You know, there was three seconds.

Adam Curry (85:29)

Bullcrap. What's the AI? It's just a voice generator. I mean, okay, you want to call that AI? There was a bull crap store story, okay?

John C. Dvorak (85:41)

There was a Supreme Court attorney who in the Supreme Court recorded.

Adam Curry (85:49)

Yeah, I know.

John C. Dvorak (85:51)

Oh, you heard about this?

Adam Curry (85:52)

Recorded the whole story. It's funny.

John C. Dvorak (85:54)

Yeah, I mean, when you listen, I won't play the clips there. People can look them up in the show notes. It was pretty good. And the guy even said, you know this, the AI's response probably would have been better than mine own and argued the exact opposite. And it sounded, it didn't sound so much like him, but the way it came out and the reasoning it gave was impressive. Anyway, look, the good news is no one can be as bumbling and fumbling as we can with AI that you cannot replicate yet. See, this is what you should be worried about. The AI is going to take over the show, man.

Adam Curry (86:35)

The problem is AI does, isn't good at ad libbing. It's not good at one liners or mean spirited little jet jibs, you know, little knives, you know, little. You mean like you get in a bad mood?

John C. Dvorak (86:49)

You mean like calling your co host of 17 and a half years a nut job? I mean like that.

Adam Curry (86:53)

Yeah, yeah, it won't do it.

John C. Dvorak (86:55)

Bring back the real dvorak. This is AI I'm talking to. I don't trust anyone, anything. Meanwhile, Nvidia, now the first $4 trillion.

Adam Curry (87:05)

Company I know, it's a little bit high, it seems to me. Origins in the 90s as a firm making computer graphics chips to a $4 trillion stock market valuation in 30 years. Nvidia has usually been ahead of the curve and its CEO Jensen Huang's bet on artificial intelligence has been paying off. We are know that AI technology is.

John C. Dvorak (87:27)

Transformative in every single industry. This Jensen guy with his leather jacket, he's got, he can upgrade his wardrobe. At this point you're not Steve Jobs, okay, Just stop it.

Adam Curry (87:38)

Anything that we do, we know that it can understand information of any kind. It can generate content, it can translate content. And now with agentic AI and robotics capability, you know, these, these, these AI technologies is going to really be quite.

John C. Dvorak (87:53)

Productive for all kinds of applications.

Adam Curry (87:55)

Indeed, AI has been taking over the world in recent years, at least metaphorically. And Nvidia's specialized chips have been highly.

John C. Dvorak (88:04)

Sought after, propelling it ahead of other tech giants like Microsoft and Apple, the.

Adam Curry (88:09)

Only other US Firms worth billion dollars. That boost in profits helped the company rebound from a market jolt and tariff.

John C. Dvorak (88:17)

Turbulence earlier in the year, with Donald.

Adam Curry (88:19)

Trump unleashing salvos of levies as Huang focused on what he said would be the next industrial revolution. AI.

John C. Dvorak (88:28)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's, it's both.

Adam Curry (88:31)

The valuation's a bit high there. I mean, I like the company. I like Jensen. I've met him.

John C. Dvorak (88:36)

I think he's a. He's a poser. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Adam Curry (88:40)

I think he's in a little bit in over his head.

John C. Dvorak (88:43)

Well, the jacket says so.

Adam Curry (88:45)

The jacket is an issue. I agree with that. When I met him, he wasn't wearing a jacket like that issue. It's a little bit much. And it's a cheesy looking jacket too. It's not like a.

John C. Dvorak (88:56)

No, it's not cool. It's gay. Let's just add. Let's just put it down. It's fake and gay. It's no good.

Adam Curry (89:03)

He's got to. Yeah, he's got to get off that jacket. Let's get to my measles.

John C. Dvorak (89:07)

All right. Measles.

Dana Bash (89:08)

Measles cases in the US are at their highest level in three decades. That's according to CDC data out today showing 1,288 cases. That compares to fewer than 300 cases for all of 2024. At least three people have died and dozens have been hospitalized in outbreaks that began in under vaccinated communities in West Texas and nearby areas. Experts say the measles vaccine is highly effective in preventing infection. But data show vaccination rates have dipped among children since the COVID 19 pandemic.

John C. Dvorak (89:42)

Yeah, well, this proves.

Adam Curry (89:44)

Hold on. This proves it's dipped since the COVID Since the COVID scam.

John C. Dvorak (89:50)

Yeah, this proves. You wonder why this proves that Texas is not a nut job state. Because we're just getting the measles like adults, like grownups. Well, just get the measles.

Adam Curry (89:59)

Oh, you know, I'm not going to.

John C. Dvorak (90:01)

Argue against then this measles. This measles story is everywhere.

Dana Bash (90:06)

US is on track to have more measles cases this year than before the disease had been declared eliminated 25 years ago. And that came with the introduction of the.

Adam Curry (90:14)

Hold on a second. So the vaccinations and all the rest of it eliminated measles, but somehow it's back. How does that. What's the logic here?

John C. Dvorak (90:24)

Because it doesn't work.

Dana Bash (90:26)

US Is on track to have more measles cases this year than before the disease had been declared eliminated 25 years ago. And that came with the introduction of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine in the 70s. There's been almost 1300 confirmed measles cases so far this year. 750 of those have been in Texas. Experts fear the country could lose its measles elimination status by the beginning of next year due to the vaccine hesitancy. There are also large outbreaks in Mexico and Canada.

John C. Dvorak (90:53)

Huh?

Adam Curry (90:54)

What?

John C. Dvorak (90:54)

Six?

Adam Curry (90:54)

What was the numbers in Mexico and Canada?

John C. Dvorak (90:57)

They're not going to tell us.

Adam Curry (90:58)

But what does large mean?

John C. Dvorak (90:59)

But since when is Canada antivaxx? I don't think they're anti vax. They're very compliant. For that matter, they're very compliant. So something else is up. Maybe CMS, CBS. Maybe Dr. Lapook can tell us. As we report on the flooding here in Texas, this state has also been the center of a measles outbreak. It has driven measles cases in the United States to its highest number in 33 years. Measles is preventable with a vaccine, but because they're 33 years. Baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But not getting it. Doctors are facing a new challenge. Here's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. John Lepook. Come on in.

Adam Curry (91:37)

I agree.

John C. Dvorak (91:38)

Dr. Eric Bludinger is doing something he never imagined. Teaching medical professionals at New York's Mount Sinai Health System how to recognize a disease that was declared eliminated in the.

Adam Curry (91:49)

US 25 years ago.

John C. Dvorak (91:51)

I thought that measles would be something. Something I'd study in the textbook. And while I'd be working clinically, I would never see it in the general population.

Adam Curry (92:00)

It's like.

John C. Dvorak (92:00)

It's like the Black Death or the plague. This was on the Brady Bunch as a good thing in my lifetime. Measles is highly contagious with symptoms similar to other symptoms.

Adam Curry (92:14)

Hold on a second. Going back to. What was the year of that Brady Bunch episode?

John C. Dvorak (92:21)

Well, I don't know. It has to be.

Adam Curry (92:22)

It was in color.

John C. Dvorak (92:23)

At least the 70s.

Adam Curry (92:24)

It was in color in the 7.

John C. Dvorak (92:26)

Let me see if.

Adam Curry (92:27)

And it was eliminated 25. Okay. So supposedly it was eliminated around the year 2000.

John C. Dvorak (92:32)

You don't have. You don't have the date on it?

Adam Curry (92:36)

No, no. Nobody has a date on that clip.

John C. Dvorak (92:38)

No. But we could probably look it up.

Adam Curry (92:40)

But this is really bogus.

John C. Dvorak (92:42)

Well, this is the. This is your big farm.

Adam Curry (92:44)

I think that they re. They had to open. Okay. I'd be a little nutty. For you.

John C. Dvorak (92:50)

Okay.

Adam Curry (92:50)

They had the measles in the lab. They kept it even though it was eliminated, but they kept it frozen just in case. And people started getting skeptical about vaccinations and all the rest. Thanks to the COVID crap, bull crap vaccine. It didn't work and they're still giving it to people. And so they started getting a vax pushback. So they reintroduced measles they brought out of the lab, took it to Texas of all places, because they don't like Texas. They don't like the people there, and threw it in a school, busted the vial and let it start and let it go.

John C. Dvorak (93:26)

It was season one, episode 13, December 26, 1969. Was that measles? Measles episode of the Brady Bunch 19. So I was.

Adam Curry (93:41)

Thanks to the book of Knowledge.

John C. Dvorak (93:42)

Yeah. Measles is highly contagious with symptoms similar to other diseases. So Bludinger co authored a guide for emergency room physicians to help them diagnose potential cases. It's imperative that physicians and healthcare providers.

Dana Bash (93:57)

Are aware of what to do and how to handle it.

John C. Dvorak (94:00)

What's driving this surge, how to handle it. The number of kindergarten students nationwide vaccinated against measles has dropped to less than 93%. All we're hearing here, all of this, all of this is about the 2012 big conference they had which we talked about on the show. I should probably go back and find those clips again. When the pharmaceutical industry went this is the future of healthcare. We give medicine to people who aren't even sick. And that's how he went to over 60, maybe over 70 childhood vaccines, including, as you like to point out, hepatitis B for a child who is probably not sexually active when they're born. Probably not.

Adam Curry (94:43)

I know.

John C. Dvorak (94:43)

Don't. I don't know. This is all about money. And since everything's under fire from the antivaxer are the skeptics. They're doing this. It's fear mongering and I doubt it's. It's not working in Texas. Probably is working in California. A 95% vaccination rate is required for herd immunity, which prevents outbreaks. Those couple of percentage points really matter. Dr. Adam Ratner is a spokesperson for.

Adam Curry (95:12)

The American Academy of Pediatrics and a.

John C. Dvorak (95:14)

Pediatrician at NYU Langone Health who actually make extra money and bonuses on more vaccinations.

Adam Curry (95:21)

This is in fact the pediatricians. If you don't have all your people fully vaccinated, they'll take the bonuses away. So you have to kick people out of your practice. We've Documented this?

John C. Dvorak (95:33)

Yep, yep.

Adam Curry (95:34)

So pediatricians will kick people out of the practice if they show any vaccine hesitation at all. The pediatricians are the most corrupt doctors in the country.

John C. Dvorak (95:45)

It's my understanding, johnvorak.org, it's my understanding that 60% of the income of pediatricians comes from the bonuses and the from vaccinations. That's my understanding from people in the community. But of course, it's Texas, so we're probably crazy here.

Adam Curry (96:04)

I work. Dr. Radner, who has consulted for vaccine.

John C. Dvorak (96:07)

Manufacturers, says vaccine misinformation is causing hesitancy.

Adam Curry (96:12)

There's a generational difference.

John C. Dvorak (96:13)

Has there been in terms of vaccine uptake? Yeah, we have absolutely seen that. I think the best example is from the 2019 measles outbreak where I saw a number of families, the grandparents, without exception, had chosen to vaccinate their children. I think it all felt much more real to them than it did for the parents where they grew up. At a time where we had vaccines, we had high vaccination rates, and they probably have never known anyone with measles. Now a new generation is facing a resurgence of vaccine preventable illnesses. This doesn't make any sense. In the timeline. I'm of grandparent age, of course our kids are slow, but I would say, no, no, no, let your kid get the measles. So I don't, I don't understand this reporting. Are there are grandparents now 40?

Adam Curry (97:12)

I have no idea what they're talking about.

John C. Dvorak (97:15)

But in more pharma news, this is a good one concerning.

Dana Bash (97:18)

Data from the CDC shows one in three teenagers now has prediabetes. With prediabetes, blood sugar levels are high, but not high enough to be considered type 22 diabetes, which is linked to heart disease and other conditions. Health experts say kids need to eat healthier and be more active.

John C. Dvorak (97:35)

This is the famous pre, pre diabetes, pre cancer, pre dead. We're all pre something. And right on cue, here comes Mattel chic.

Dana Bash (97:45)

Blue crop top with polka dots, mini skirt with ruffles and an insulin pump. US toy giant Mattel has launched the first Barbie doll with type 1 diabetes on the market. It aims to represent kids and teens living with the condition.

John C. Dvorak (98:00)

The doll was presented at an event.

Dana Bash (98:01)

In Washington on Tuesday. In addition to the insulin pump, she wears a blood glucose meter on her arm. She is part of Mattel's fashionista line. This includes various looks with different skin tones, eye colors, hair colors, body types and disabilities.

John C. Dvorak (98:19)

They literally have one of them with a cane. Cane, like a blind cane. What is happening? DEI baby didn't they get the memo?

Adam Curry (98:33)

This like a ship, it's hard to turn it around. It's like the Titanic. They saw the iceberg ahead.

John C. Dvorak (98:39)

Oh, man, I don't know what to do with this.

Adam Curry (98:42)

That's pretty. This is just a pathetic.

John C. Dvorak (98:45)

You know, we were talking about social contagion. Was that. It was the last episode, I think. Right.

Adam Curry (98:52)

We talk about it all the time, but.

John C. Dvorak (98:53)

Yes, right. But we talked about the June bug. What was it? Oh, it was about the June bugs.

Adam Curry (98:57)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (98:57)

Yeah, but it was something else. It was. What was the other current.

Adam Curry (99:01)

The current bull crap, whatever it was.

John C. Dvorak (99:03)

Well, there's a new. New bull crap. And this is from. This only happens in California where they. Where people are just looking at TikTok all day long instead of talking to their chat. GPT. Pots. Pots.

Adam Curry (99:18)

What?

John C. Dvorak (99:18)

This is the new thing. Pots. Oh, I have pots.

Adam Curry (99:21)

Pots. Yeah, they smoke pots.

John C. Dvorak (99:25)

No. Postural tachycardia syndrome. Have you heard? Of course you haven't heard of this because this is nonsense. Postural.

Adam Curry (99:35)

Of course I haven't heard of this because this is nonsense.

John C. Dvorak (99:38)

Postural tachycardio syndrome is when your heart rate increases very quickly after getting up from sitting or lying down, often making you feel dizzy or lightheaded. So that's the syndrome. It's called pot syndrome. And of course, every woman on TikTok has it. Now, here's the first one who gives us the five early warning signs. You have pots. I mean, this is. I'm reading from the. From the NHS in the uk where it. It call. It has this name postural tachycardia syndrome syndrome, and it literally says that is when your heart rate increases very quickly after getting up from sitting or lying down, often making you feel dizzy or lightheaded. So I don't know. That's just. I don't know what that is. But now everyone has it.

Dana Bash (100:26)

Okay, let's talk about early signs of pots. So my first early warning sign that I had POTS was that I was exhausted all the time. I mean, I would sleep 12 hours every single night and still wake up feeling exhausted. And I still do that. Okay. The second early warning sign is that I had horrible migraines. I mean, not just like your regular headache. I mean, these would last for days. And I'm talking, like tunnel vision, nausea, the whole thing. Okay. The third early warning sign is that my heart rate was really high all the time. Like, I remember in high school, like, just walking around and I would look at my little Fitbit that I had, and it was like 150bpm. And I would be sitting in the doctor's office sometimes and It'd be just 120, just me sitting down. And they're like, huh, I guess you're just anxious. Okay, number four is that I would only pass out during my period. Now, I also have endometriosis and severe pain. And so I just thought I was passing out due to severe pain and stuff like that, but it was actually low blood volume and it was pots. And also endometriosis is comorbid to pots. Okay. Early warning sign is that I had exercise intolerance. I did some sports as a kid.

John C. Dvorak (101:27)

Exercise intolerance, But I always felt like.

Dana Bash (101:30)

I was behind everyone else. Like I did cross country, and I just feel like I could not keep up with any. Anyone else. And when I would work out, I would just feel horrible. And I never understood, like, how everyone was able to exercise so easily.

John C. Dvorak (101:42)

So according to the nhs, the things that can cause POTS are being in a hot place, not drinking enough fluids, drinking alcohol, resting, too much exercise, being on your period, stress. They left out being on some whacked out SSRIs. But here, here's a. Here's the second and only the final pots TikTok lady I have. She's going to approach it from a clinical standpoint. And she's doing bird hands, which I know you'll explain in a moment.

Dana Bash (102:13)

Most people with POTs, like 99%, struggle with some sort of nutrient imbalance or deficiency or both. And if your doctor is just telling you to drink more electrolytes, I am here to tell you that that is not going to be enough. POTS doesn't just affect your circulation, your heart rate, your blood pressure. It puts a strain on your entire system, especially your body's ability to absorb and utilize nutrients. Chronic stress, digestive issues, inflammation, antibiotic use.

Adam Curry (102:39)

What, so she's doing bird hands while she's doing it, yakking away like this?

John C. Dvorak (102:45)

Dumb, but it's a contagion. It's a social contagion called pots. Be on the lookout for it.

Adam Curry (102:53)

I will now. Not. You mentioned it, but I have not heard of this at all.

John C. Dvorak (102:57)

Yeah. All right, let's do bird hands now.

Adam Curry (102:59)

Well, bird hands, the bird hands things, which is I call the reverse explosion, which is you hold your hand palm forward and then you. You push it to a bird, like so it looks like a bird. You can actually make it talk if you wanted to. And then you poke the bird beak at the person you're talking to and you're yelling at him. Usually and this is very common amongst the tiktokers who are lecturing us about how bad Trump is. So this guy called Hoe Math. Ho Hoe Math.

John C. Dvorak (103:30)

Everybody sent me this video by. This guy must be on fire. He must have everybody watching him.

Adam Curry (103:36)

This guy's good. He is. I only have a very short clip of him explaining bird hands, but I'm going to mention this guy. He is a. He's like a cartoonist and he's trying to. Him. And there's another podcast. These are. I'm sorry. Sorry, I said podcast. These are YouTubers.

John C. Dvorak (103:53)

Thank you.

Adam Curry (103:55)

This guy. And there's another one called the whatever podcast. YouTube and whatever guy who's Brian Adams I think is his name. He brings a bunch of. He brings like 10 or 12 women on the set.

John C. Dvorak (104:09)

Oh, this is a horrible podcast.

Adam Curry (104:12)

This Guy brings about 12 women on the set. At least half of them are onlyfans. Girls. Yeah. The other. A good third of them have low IQs. And the other ones are kind of cute, but they're not really. And then they think a lot of themselves and they. They go and they. They start explaining and. And this podcast.

John C. Dvorak (104:29)

Rip them apart. They just rip them apart right there. Well, it's. It's insane what this. This thing is.

Adam Curry (104:34)

It's. It's. Well, the problem with it is the last episode he came out with was nine hours.

John C. Dvorak (104:42)

That's a problem.

Adam Curry (104:44)

His average podcast or podcast. His YouTube video. His average YouTube video is five. Five hours is the average. Average. And this guy seems to be some. I don't know, but him and Po Math, who never shows his face, got together under one that went nine hours.

John C. Dvorak (105:02)

You're telling me we're not in trouble? I mean, we've got successful shows.

Adam Curry (105:07)

Making a point here, but I know I'm walking into a trap by bringing this stuff up, but Whole Math. And the thing is these two guys, Whole Math and Broken Brian, they are preoccupied with relationship issues. They can't either don't get laid enough or they. They didn't get girls with. They didn't. There was no sock hops for them and something. And they're just. They're trying to figure it out and so they spend a lot of time figuring out. It's. It's somewhat enlightening. But he does. But he. But Whole Math did an entire video on. On Bird Hands. You can look it up. A lot of people sent it to me, but I knew about it. It's good. And here's the crux of it right here.

John C. Dvorak (105:46)

The whatever podcast asked, why do the hand thing, referring to this little henpack gesture that girls have been making with their hands. And I thought I'd bring you the answer. Here it is. So the hand thing that the Tik Tock girls are doing is the hands are closed and pointed at you, and it means you better listen to me. I am telling you. Me, me, me, me, me. This is what you believe. Now, when you point it at yourself, you get the Italian, like the chef's kiss thing. Oh, I'm telling you, this is is so. Look at what I did over here. I did that unconsciously. That's. This is so good. You should try it. The hands closed over here are. I'm sure of what I'm saying. And I receive your needs. You should try this thing. That's great. This is also used in Italian arguments. I told you about that kid. What Trump? Yeah. Okay.

Adam Curry (106:37)

So me, me, me, me, me is which I thought was the kicker back to. And bird hands.

John C. Dvorak (106:43)

If I can just say many, many years ago, if these kids, these women, would stop being on TikTok and look at some historical information, the no Agenda show had the answer to their problem years ago. You got pots, we got a solution.

Adam Curry (107:04)

So have more kale, have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale. Have more kale.

John C. Dvorak (107:12)

Tail, you will have more tail.

Adam Curry (107:17)

You will have more tail, you will obey.

John C. Dvorak (107:23)

I mean, we solved these problems a long time ago. I love, love that. Whoever suggested that in the troll room was brilliant. That's good.

Adam Curry (107:31)

Have more.

John C. Dvorak (107:32)

Have more kale.

Adam Curry (107:35)

Yeah. Whatever happened to that trend?

John C. Dvorak (107:37)

Oh, I wonder. Away went away.

Adam Curry (107:39)

So let's play a couple of these analysis clips. I have a series of them, but I want to play these now. The problem is with these that started with fnc, because I was doing it. I can't explain why I'm making these errors in titling, but lack of kale, obviously it starts with FNC Anal. Wow. Which is the original of the series. And this is from pbs. Pbs. PBS brought on the. And the first time we get to hear the head of the dnc, that wimpy guy from Minnesota who's the heads. The dnc. And so they're gonna go into a long discussion of the DNC and what the Democrats are gonna do. I found it fascinating because it's like, this guy is clueless. The Democrats are clueless. PBS is clueless. It's hilarious.

Dana Bash (108:32)

Joining me now to discuss where the party goes next is Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin. Ken, welcome to the NewsHour. Thanks.

Adam Curry (108:39)

Joining us thank you so much for having me, Amna.

Dana Bash (108:41)

So Democrats have just started running some ads this week against dozens of House Republicans who voted for that Trump budget bill. In your view, is that bill right now sort of the core messaging strategy for Democrats? Is that the strongest argument you've got?

Adam Curry (108:56)

Well, absolutely, it's a strong argument because look at what this bill has done. I mean, every Republican in this, in the Congress, in the U.S. house and in the Senate voted for this bill. Every Democrat voted against it. This is, this guy runs the DNC and he says that that's a lie.

John C. Dvorak (109:15)

What's the.

Adam Curry (109:16)

Massey voted against it.

John C. Dvorak (109:18)

Yes, he did.

Adam Curry (109:19)

There was, I think Susan Collins in the Senate voted against.

John C. Dvorak (109:21)

No, no, no. She, I think she, she got a deal.

Adam Curry (109:24)

Somebody voted against it. It was. Ran three.

John C. Dvorak (109:27)

Three House. Yeah. Three House Republicans voted against it.

Adam Curry (109:31)

And one senator or two.

John C. Dvorak (109:32)

Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (109:34)

So that's a lie.

John C. Dvorak (109:35)

It's a lie.

Adam Curry (109:36)

I mean, every Republican in this, in the Congress, in the US House and in the Senate vote.

John C. Dvorak (109:42)

What, lying on pbs. I'm shocked.

Adam Curry (109:45)

Voted for this bill. Every Democrat voted against it. This is, as I call it, the big beautiful betrayal. All Republicans, every single one of them put their oath to Donald Trump ahead.

John C. Dvorak (109:56)

By the way, Weak. Is that all they got? Big beauty. We had big ugly bill. Big beautiful betrayal. I don't know, ma', am, but I see the crazy lefties in New York like, well, I'm kind of happy with the no tax on tips, even if it's up to 25% thousand dollars, I'm okay with that.

Adam Curry (110:15)

House and in the Senate voted for this bill. Every Democrat voted against it. This is, as I call it, the big beautiful betrayal. All Republicans, every single one of them put their oath to Donald Trump ahead of the oath to their constituents that they were elected by. And as a result of this betrayal, this big, beautiful betrayal, they betrayed seniors, where over a quarter of nursing homes around this country are going to close. They betrayed children. When we think about 4.2 million children in this country are going to lo. Who's nutritional. They betrayed the disabled.

John C. Dvorak (110:49)

It's all lies. It's all lies. It's not true at all. It's just lies.

Adam Curry (110:54)

It's amazing when 17 million Americans are going to be kicked off of their health insurance. They betrayed rural communities with over 300 rural hospitals likely.

John C. Dvorak (111:04)

Did he say 17 million now gonna.

Adam Curry (111:07)

All get kicked off?

John C. Dvorak (111:08)

We went from 11 to 12 to.

Adam Curry (111:10)

17 be kicked off of there.

John C. Dvorak (111:12)

Let me get the, the number distance.

Adam Curry (111:14)

They betrayed the disabled. When 17 million Americans are going to be kicked off of their health insurance. They betrayed rural communities with over 300 rural hospitals likely to close now.

John C. Dvorak (111:27)

You know, just to reiterate the way they come up with that is if people don't volunteer, go to work, there will be a million illegal aliens who will be kicked off. That's, that's for. For sure. So what they're saying is that means the hospitals lose revenue or that's how they arrive with this, oh, the hospitals will have to close. Implying that somehow the big beautiful betrayal took away money from hospitals. But, but I don't know why podcasters have to explain this. PBS should be doing PBS, the podcast broadcast system.

Adam Curry (112:11)

Communities with over 300 rural hospitals likely to close now betrayed hardworking Americans. 1.75 million construction jobs alone are going to be lost because of this bill. What?

John C. Dvorak (112:26)

Because, because they're rounding up. The illegals who are doing the construction jobs will be there. They just won't be filled by the same people, I guess.

Adam Curry (112:35)

And at the end of the day, they did all of that to actually help those in our communities who already have so much. The billionaires, the rich, the people who don't need a tax break. So absolutely, absolutely, this is a gift. It's a gift to the Democratic party.

John C. Dvorak (112:48)

But it's not a gift to the.

Adam Curry (112:49)

American people who are going to suffer immensely over the next several years and longer because of this disastrous bill.

John C. Dvorak (112:56)

You know, I found if I can just do a quickie on the BBB as an interim. It's not an analysis clip, but, well, it is kind of an analysis clip. There is something in there that is upsetting a lot of young men attention.

Adam Curry (113:11)

Sports betters out there.

John C. Dvorak (113:13)

So essentially, what, what happens currently, previous.

Adam Curry (113:17)

Obviously now is that if you won.

John C. Dvorak (113:19)

Let'S say you won $100 on a bet and then you lost $100 on.

Adam Curry (113:26)

A bet, you'd be able to deduct.

John C. Dvorak (113:27)

Your losses on your top on your winnings. Therefore, you wouldn't be paying taxes. Well, the one big beautiful bill made.

Adam Curry (113:34)

A significant change to gambling. It limits, puts a cap of 90% now on losses.

John C. Dvorak (113:41)

So if you want $100 and lost $100, you'd still be paying a tax.

Adam Curry (113:48)

Even though maybe you never felt like you got any money.

John C. Dvorak (113:50)

It's a noteworthy change in the gambling world. It's frustrated lawmakers from Las Vegas and Nevada.

Adam Curry (113:56)

As you might suspect, they're trying to.

John C. Dvorak (113:58)

Work to see if they can do a bipartisan fix before this goes too.

Adam Curry (114:01)

Far down the line.

John C. Dvorak (114:02)

But attention, gamblers. Change on the horizon, too. Oh, no.

Adam Curry (114:06)

Oh, no. I think that's a plus.

John C. Dvorak (114:09)

I think it's great. Prop bets are going to be a plus problem.

Adam Curry (114:13)

They should be discouraging gambling in any way they can if the government has to get involved.

John C. Dvorak (114:18)

Yeah. Yes. All right.

Adam Curry (114:20)

Do you want to. By the way, let's go to. We have a bunch more of these DNC with this bonehead. But let's go to the BBB analysis. I have that too. And I want to play these. Since you brought it, you changed the topic. Let's go to BBB analysis, Ellis's pbd, which is actually public broadcast pbs.

John C. Dvorak (114:42)

Oh. For a moment there, I'm like, what? Patrick bet Davis.

Adam Curry (114:44)

Yes. No, no, no, not Patrick. Beth. David.

John C. Dvorak (114:47)

Oh, boy. Okay.

Dana Bash (114:48)

Tomorrow will mark one week since Congress passed the Republicans major budget act. President Donald Trump signed his signature agenda just a day later on Independence Day. But what's in it and how it will affect Americans day to day lives remains a mystery to most. Congressional correspondent Lisa Desjardins read just about every. Every word of the nearly 900 page law.

John C. Dvorak (115:08)

Oh my God. She can read.

Dana Bash (115:10)

She's back at our super screen to help us make sense of it all.

John C. Dvorak (115:13)

What's the super screen?

Adam Curry (115:14)

It's a big monitor.

John C. Dvorak (115:16)

Oh, and touch screen. She can touch it.

Adam Curry (115:18)

It's not even that big and she.

John C. Dvorak (115:20)

Could touch it and move stuff.

Adam Curry (115:21)

By the way, we have a restaurant over here for people in the bay area, the 99 Ranch restaurant in El Cerrito. There, there's a 99 Ranch, which is a. Actually a shop shopping center. There's a restaurant at. Near one of the entrances. And this restaurant is a Chinese restaurant. Obviously it's a Chinese operation. They have a. They have a Jumbotron in the restaurant that is the size of any. It's like the one in the Dallas Cowboys stadium. It's unbelievable. It's from the. The ceilings are 10ft high. It's from the floor to the ceiling.

John C. Dvorak (115:56)

Quick, everybody rush out to El Cerrito and go see it.

Adam Curry (115:59)

It's amazing. Is the screen doing in a restauran.

Dana Bash (116:03)

Restaurant Also, Lisa, I know you and the team broke out separate pieces of the legislation before, but it is such a big bill. Help us take the big picture view to start off right. And it's not just a big bill. In fact, it is the largest in terms of dollars, in terms of tax cuts and spending cuts in US history. So it's easy to get lost in this. But I think we've found some ways to make it more understandable. First, let's look at the main Blocks in this bill, there's really six of them. Tax cuts, money for the border and for defense. These ones are money going out of the federal government essentially. Then bottom you have reforms and spending cuts, health care, green energy cuts, SNAP food program and student loans. That's money that would come in. You put all that together, do the math and you end up with around $4 trillion in costs for this bill. That does include interest. Now of course, some of these pieces are bigger than others, so let's look at that with a little bit more depth.

John C. Dvorak (116:56)

Does she mention it's over 10 years or just make it sound like it's all one?

Adam Curry (117:00)

Well, she does it in and out. But I want to just, I'm playing these clips because your analysis last show is as good as she does. Have a couple of extras I never heard before, but you did as good a job in a shorter period of time.

John C. Dvorak (117:14)

Yes, I can see these clips.

Adam Curry (117:15)

But even when they, they do this, this analysis here, it's political. It doesn't fit well. It's not as bad as this guy from the Democratic National Party makes it sound. And it just, they can't make it that bad.

Dana Bash (117:30)

Imagine this bill. This is 100 dots representing 100% of the bill, money in and out. So we can compare what's happening in this bill. Let's look at those items we talked about just a minute ago, the border money and dod, those SNAP cuts, student loan cuts and then green energy. You can see that while they will affect millions dollar wise, they're not a huge part the of of the bill. Let's add something else. The health care cuts for Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act, a little bit more of the bill from that. But really the giant factor in this bill are the tax cuts right there, more than 60% of the bill. These three dots are other miscellaneous things. But really this bill is all about the tax cuts.

John C. Dvorak (118:11)

And she explains that a lot of that is continuation of tax cuts that are already in place.

Adam Curry (118:16)

No, they're not going to do that.

John C. Dvorak (118:18)

No. Okay. And does she explain that part of this is intended, which is dubious, to accelerate and stimulate growth of, I don't.

Adam Curry (118:29)

Know, like some crazy, come on, realistic.

John C. Dvorak (118:32)

7% GDP, which sounds totally doable.

Dana Bash (118:34)

So Lisa, how should people understand how this bill affects them individually and precisely. Right. We've talked about income before on the show, but it isn't just income in this bill. Literally more than 100 different provisions affecting people. So, so we found a way to get it to some of the broad contours of who may gain or lose from this. Let's talk about individuals first. Right now, more taxpayers are individuals than families. You would benefit more as an individual if you earn over $50,000 because of the tax cuts. Largely if you live in a high tax state. Looking at you, New York, you would benefit because there is that state and local tax deduction in the bill. And if you're a farmer, there are subsidies here for you. And also the estate tax would be expanded on this bill with a higher maximum for that. You would lose more as an individual.

John C. Dvorak (119:21)

Which by the way is not mentioned. But that's critical for farmers. That's critical for farmers who want to leave their farm to their kids so the kids can actually afford.

Adam Curry (119:31)

Yeah. Continue the process of farming the land.

John C. Dvorak (119:34)

Yeah. You should have called these clips bad anal. I don't know why you didn't do that. What a missed opportunity.

Adam Curry (119:39)

A hug.

Dana Bash (119:40)

Higher maximum for that.

Adam Curry (119:41)

Only for. It only benefits you for humor as an individual.

Dana Bash (119:46)

If you earn under $18,000, likely losing benefits potentially you will if you work in solar or wind. That is an industry that will face some challenges because of this bill and the cuts. If you're in your 50s and 60s, you would also be affected potentially if you are on Medicaid or SNAP because the, the work requirements will be extended, expanded to people who are older. Now one more. Let's talk about families. A little bit different effects. If you're married and wealthy as a family, you're more likely to benefit. And if you have younger kids, that's because of the child tax deduction. Also there's a thousand dollar new trust account for kids. And if you own a family business, there's a tax cut or tax deduction in there for you that will be extended.

John C. Dvorak (120:28)

You know, you sometimes complain about my series, but holy moly, I'm hanging on by a throw read here.

Adam Curry (120:35)

There's no theory involved here. She's just trying to explain it in a way.

John C. Dvorak (120:39)

Not theory. Series. Series.

Adam Curry (120:41)

Oh, the series.

John C. Dvorak (120:43)

Yeah. It's like eight minutes, but okay, let's go bad anal. 3.

Adam Curry (120:47)

Well, after you took over the whole hour of the show at the beginning I didn't have anything to. I was thinking you were going for a Pulitzer and I wasn't bitching and moaning. And I play a couple of anal clips and you're all bent out of.

John C. Dvorak (120:58)

Your shape, which you've promised me for almost two decades.

Adam Curry (121:01)

You will get it. You drop the ball at the end there with your nut ball stuff, if you will.

Dana Bash (121:06)

You will lose as a family if you're a single parent and low income, you will not be exempted from work requirements in the way that one parent may be in a married family. And if you have college age kids because of those student loan changes, there may be fewer student loans and they may be more expensive.

John C. Dvorak (121:23)

Yeah, you got to pay them back.

Adam Curry (121:24)

Yeah. This is the problem. They don't like this idea of having to pay back a loan.

John C. Dvorak (121:29)

Yeah, well, it's insane. But you know, you also can get. Did she mention you can now get a Pell grant for vocational studies?

Adam Curry (121:37)

She did not mention anything that's positive. But she. But the negative side which she's trying to push is not negative enough to get anybody all bent out of shape like this Democrat guy. Yeah. Let's go back to the Democrat analysis clips.

John C. Dvorak (121:51)

Oh, you want? Okay, whatever you want. So that would be DNC2.

Dana Bash (121:57)

As you've seen among some of your own Democratic base, though, there are those who say they want Democrats to be doing more. I'll put to you the latest numbers from our PBS News NPR Marist poll that showed some 43% of Democrats, your own supporters, disapprove of the job that Democrats in Congress are doing right now. So why is it that you think your base is so unhappy with how Democrats are leading right now?

Adam Curry (122:20)

Well, there's rightfully so. There's a lot of anxiety out there with what they've seen from this administration so far is they're going down in a very aggressive manner to dismantle this country. What we've seen is they and if.

Dana Bash (122:34)

I may, to be clear, this is a disapproval of Democrats in Congress, not about the Trump administration.

Adam Curry (122:39)

I understand that. But people are concerned of what they're seeing right now in this country. And what they want is they are angry, anxious, they're nervous. This is unprecedented. We've never seen anything like this. And at the end of the day, that anxiety, of course, requires everyone to do their part. They want to see not just Democrats in Congress, but Democrats throughout this country. And whether you're in political party leadership, whether you're a local elected official, they want Democrats to do their part to resist this authoritarian regime and what they're doing to dismantle this country. So I understand where that anxiety comes from. But let me tell you what the Democratic Party has been doing. We've already hosted over 130 town halls throughout the country to hold Republicans accountable to their disastrous policies that they've been pushing from the beginning with this administration, not just to hold them accountable, but to make sure that we're helping to amplify the stories of all the pain and anguish that's been inflicted upon the American people since Donald Trump was inaugurated.

John C. Dvorak (123:38)

Oh, the pain inflicted as horrible as bad. Anguish, anguish, anguish.

Adam Curry (123:45)

Is this guy in the real. I mean, is this guy ever talk about leaving the House? I mean, what is Minnesota must be really screwed up.

John C. Dvorak (123:56)

Yeah, I would say that's probably true.

Adam Curry (124:00)

I just found a guy to be. He's not even discussing reality.

John C. Dvorak (124:05)

Surprised a Democrat on pbs. No reality.

Dana Bash (124:12)

But, Ken, a lot of the frustration, even at those town halls, as you mentioned, that we've seen has been from Democrats who want to see Democrats do more than just message and hold conversational spaces. They want to see you doing the kinds of things that Cory Booker did with a record floor speech or Hakeem Jeffries speech or Senator Padilla.

John C. Dvorak (124:28)

Nobody wants to see that nonsense.

Adam Curry (124:31)

And then she also backs it up.

Dana Bash (124:33)

With Padilla's stunt dead and confronting the DHS secretary. They want to see you get caught trying.

John C. Dvorak (124:39)

Yeah, get caught trying.

Dana Bash (124:41)

But to speak. Why not do more of that?

John C. Dvorak (124:42)

Do more of that, please. We need more video. We need hours and hours of you doing stuff.

Adam Curry (124:48)

We are doing that. And you just mentioned people who are doing it right. And folks are doing it all over the country, our Democratic.

Dana Bash (124:55)

And that's where the frustration comes from. Is that fair?

Adam Curry (124:58)

I don't think that's accurate, though. Look, I think initially when Donald Trump was inaugurated, I do believe the party, many of our elected officials were caught flat footed. But you haven't seen that in recent months. You've seen elected officials. You just mentioned it. From Cory Booker to Hakeem Jeffries to our Democratic attorney Generals who are leading the way on filing litigation after litigation to take on this authoritarian regime, to our governors and local elected officials who are using the power of their offices to actually protect vulnerable communities and communities being targeted by this administration. And to our members of Congress who really realize that they may not have power in Congress right now, but they have the power of their voices and their platforms to really get out there and speak loudly about what's happening. And that's what's been happening for weeks and months now. And so I get where the anxiety comes from, but it's just not accurate or true that the Democratic Party and our elected officials aren't doing enough.

John C. Dvorak (125:52)

I would recommend a new tactic for the Democrat Party. I think they should say the Republicans in the House and the Senate are free, afraid to vote, anything but what President Trump wants because he's got the Epstein tapes of them. That's what they should say, that's not going to work. What they should do is better than this.

Adam Curry (126:13)

Well, anything would be better than this. This guy's no good. It makes you think that maybe David Hogg is a winner who they kicked out of the fucking operation. Didn't mean to do that. That was not a good use of the word. But they kicked him out of the operation because he was causing a fuss by saying something a little different. This guy's no good.

John C. Dvorak (126:36)

Yeah, David Hogg, he was also on the Epstein tapes. Everyone that we don't like now is on the Epstein.

Adam Curry (126:42)

Yeah. Can you imagine?

John C. Dvorak (126:43)

This is it. David Hogg on the Epstein tape.

Adam Curry (126:46)

On the tapes, he was one of the people that was being trafficked.

John C. Dvorak (126:50)

Oh, goodness. All right, which one do we play now? The. I got four. We have two kickers. What do you want to. I'm calling five.

Adam Curry (126:58)

I just had two kickers.

John C. Dvorak (126:59)

We gotta go. Come on.

Adam Curry (127:01)

What are we doing?

Dana Bash (127:02)

What do you take away from Zoran Mandani's New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?

Adam Curry (127:10)

Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign and there's a lot of lessons. One is he campaigned for something, and this is a critical piece. We can't just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course we have to resist Donald Trump. There's no doubt about it, for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to. To give people a sense of what we're for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power. And that's really critical. And I think that's one of the lessons from Mamdani's campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters. And he campaigned for something not against, you know, other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was make New York City a better place to live. I think that's one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out. Both a very aggressive in person campaigning, meeting voters where they're at, and then also in those digital spaces using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way. There's a lot to learn from that campaign, and I'm excited to learn more recently exist.

John C. Dvorak (128:22)

We much, we must and we will much about that.

Adam Curry (128:28)

Be committed.

John C. Dvorak (128:29)

So we had dinner last night with the New York Zoomer. We're here for Tina's Birthday. It's tomorrow. And so we said. I said, how about mom Donnie fever? She says, oh, yeah, everybody loves him. I said, do tell. Everyone loves him. We know that he's only going to do 25%, but. But we don't want that stupid clubber Mayor Adams or, Or Cuomo. Yeah, so that's.

Adam Curry (128:57)

I think that's right.

John C. Dvorak (128:58)

That is why they all voted for him. Like any said, they don't believe 75% of Whatani is saying, but it was better than. No one likes Eric Adams because he was ineffective.

Adam Curry (129:11)

We lose our. Our guy. The voice of Eric Adams, who we haven't heard much.

John C. Dvorak (129:16)

No, we've already lost him. We lost him to. We lost him to meas. He's gone measles.

Adam Curry (129:23)

So now we have two kickers. Yes, let's play him.

Dana Bash (129:26)

What about concerns from some of your Jewish colleagues, in particular about him not outright condemning the phrase globalize the intifada? In a recent interview, some of your Jewish colleagues have said that that could be very disturbing, potentially dangerous. Do you agree with that?

Adam Curry (129:41)

You know, there's no candidate in this party that I agree 100% of the time with, to be honest with you. There's things that I, I don't agree with Mamdani, that he said. But at the end of the day, I always believe, as a Democratic Party chair in Minnesota for the last 14 years and now the chair of the DNC, that you win through addition. You win by bringing people into your coalition.

John C. Dvorak (130:01)

Well, this is a good question.

Dana Bash (130:02)

You.

Adam Curry (130:03)

Wait, wait. You win by addition. So let's bring in the Jew haters into the party. We welcome you.

John C. Dvorak (130:11)

I don't understand something. If Mossad controls everything in everybody now, how can this guy be a frontrunner? Don't they have the goods on him? Don't they have Epstein stuff?

Adam Curry (130:24)

Well, that's all beside the point. The point I was making with this, where I cut it off, is because we welcome everybody.

John C. Dvorak (130:32)

Except. Except the Jews.

Adam Curry (130:34)

If you hate the Jews. Hey, come on in.

John C. Dvorak (130:37)

He doesn't. He was very. He actually had a good answer. He said, no, I'm not going to travel to Israel. I'm going to stay in New York. He had a good, good answer.

Adam Curry (130:45)

Who? Van Dami?

John C. Dvorak (130:47)

Yes.

Adam Curry (130:48)

No, I'm talking about this guy. I don't care about this.

John C. Dvorak (130:50)

This guy is a nut job.

Adam Curry (130:52)

So here's kicker number two. We have conservative Democrats. We have centrist Democrats. We have labor progressives like me. And we have this new brand of Democrat, which is the leftist. And we win by bringing people into that bring them in. And at the end of the day.

John C. Dvorak (131:07)

Wait, this is the Democrat big tent. This is amazing. They've taken a Republican talking point. We got a big tent. Come on in.

Adam Curry (131:15)

Yeah, big tent. Communists, that coalition. And at the end of the day, for me, that's the type of party.

John C. Dvorak (131:21)

We'Re going to lead.

Adam Curry (131:22)

We are a big tent party. Yes, it leads to dissent and debate and there's differences of opinions on a whole host of issues, but we should celebrate that as a party and recognize at the end of the day, we're better because of it.

Dana Bash (131:34)

That is the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Ken Martin, joining us tonight. Ken, thank much you so, so much for your time. Good to speak with you.

Adam Curry (131:40)

Thank you, Amna.

John C. Dvorak (131:41)

Thank you. All right, so they're doomed. Big tent. I don't know, man, because you know, maga's falling apart. They're all going to vote Democrat. It's over. They're going to vote for Elon's party. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the Cs in the social contagion. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

Adam Curry (132:08)

Yeah. Well, good morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry, in the morning. All ships sea boost in the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out.

John C. Dvorak (132:15)

There in the morning to the trolls.

Adam Curry (132:17)

In the troll room.

John C. Dvorak (132:17)

Let me count. All right, 1907. 1907 is the counter of the trolls for today. 1907.

Adam Curry (132:32)

What's up? A hundred.

John C. Dvorak (132:33)

Yeah, well, everyone wanted to know what did the boys think of this? What do they think of this was going on? Trolls are in the troll room. Trollroom IO, where you can listen live or use one of those modern podcast apps. Podcast, apps.com. that's apps, plural. You'll see a whole bunch of them there. Look for the live feature, which means you will get a notification. By the way, I got to tell you something exciting. Live notification. It's a podcasting 2.0 feature, Pod Ping. So you can listen to the live shows right there in your app. More and more doing it, people are searching for authenticity. So they're moving towards live shows that are live to tape, as it were, because everyone's sick and tired of pre canned. All the arms, you know, the stuff is cut out of it. Oh, all the pregnant pauses. Gotta chop that out to use AI to fix everything. Make it sound so sleek and professional.

Adam Curry (133:25)

And make it sound dead.

John C. Dvorak (133:26)

That's the opposite of what podcasting is about. And of course, you'll be notified within 90 seconds of our shows being published that they are actually published. So I told you about the funding tag where you can now have. And the apps are starting to add this, where you have a button right there in the app on the show. You hit the button, it takes you right to the donation page. Or the way we're going to do it is it takes you right to stripe. So you can pay with Apple Pay or Google Pay or anything and stuff like that. I told you about this feature.

Adam Curry (133:55)

Yeah, you talked about last show.

John C. Dvorak (133:57)

Yeah. So guess what? NPR is now implementing that. So now that NPR is doing it, now everybody's waking up. Oh, you watch. Apple's gonna have this. It's gonna be that. The value for value button is coming to podcast apps everywhere. It only took five years, which is good. That means my success ratio is now 50% shorter than it used to be. Used to.

Adam Curry (134:18)

Well, eventually it'll be right there with the.

John C. Dvorak (134:21)

I'll be on the money. I'll be rich. I'll be so rich, I'll be leave my wife rich. Stocks and bonds rich. Until then, we'll just stay value for value. And we will thank everybody who supports the show with time, talent and treasure. We always want to thank our artists who are great AI prompters. Although it was very interesting to see an old name return to episode 1779, which we titled Buffy Gorilla. And I'm sure she got some a kick out of that. Buffy.

Adam Curry (134:55)

Oh, Buffy.

John C. Dvorak (134:56)

Oh, Buffy Gorilla. Nick the Rat returned to the album art with a nice social contagion, June Bug. And this was very interesting to us because Nick the Rat, who I think is still number one on the leaderboard of all time.

Adam Curry (135:11)

Yeah. With 191 wins.

John C. Dvorak (135:15)

And it looks like Nick has given in. He has given into the AI.

Adam Curry (135:21)

Of course he has.

John C. Dvorak (135:22)

Not an idiot. But see, the thing is, Nick has good ideas. That's what makes it. It's not the just. You can't just make something with AI. It'll be great. No, you have to have a good idea. You need the creativity. You can't just say, hey, Chad, GPT make some cool art for no agenda. No, it's not going to work. You will fail. And we like, like this. And lots of people like. They even animated it on X. Did you see the animated versions of it?

Adam Curry (135:53)

No.

John C. Dvorak (135:53)

Yeah, it was like, grok, animate this image. All of a sudden the June bug's flying around her head. That's pretty cool. So that was nice. Good to have you back, Nick the Rat. I'm in your hometown. I should come visit the sewer. Let's see what else we can do.

Adam Curry (136:09)

Nick the Rat should come by.

John C. Dvorak (136:11)

Yeah, he should. But I'm too busy. My dance card is full. It's very full right now.

Adam Curry (136:16)

Your dance card is your dance card.

John C. Dvorak (136:19)

Yeah, my dance card is full. We got no time for anybody. We got Tina's birthday tomorrow. Then we're out. I'm not staying here too long.

Adam Curry (136:26)

Oh, you got to give us a boots on the ground report.

John C. Dvorak (136:30)

I'm going to give it to you tomorrow. We had travel favor all the way.

Adam Curry (136:33)

I will say tomorrow is just no show tomorrow.

John C. Dvorak (136:36)

No, but what I'm saying is that's.

Adam Curry (136:37)

The only next show.

John C. Dvorak (136:38)

Only time I'm really going to be in the city is tomorrow. And then Saturday we leave. Came in last night doing the show. Not taking a show off. Setting it up in the hotel room. You know how that is. No, I'm sorry. You wouldn't. It's been. I don't know.

Adam Curry (136:53)

I've done it. Done shows. I've done shows in Vegas. I've done shows in Brazil.

John C. Dvorak (136:57)

How long ago was that?

Adam Curry (136:59)

It doesn't matter.

John C. Dvorak (137:00)

Oh, okay. It's been a while.

Adam Curry (137:03)

Yeah. Because it's a pain in the ass.

John C. Dvorak (137:05)

Because you don't go anywhere.

Adam Curry (137:07)

I try not to.

John C. Dvorak (137:08)

Yeah. That's why I told you after Covid. Let's take a look at some of the other art. There was a lot of guerrilla art, which didn't really work for us. No, I don't think. Was there anything. The Ozzy thing was kind of cute for by Scaramanga. Ozzy trying to shoot a chicken out of the. Out of the slingshot. But I don't know, there was something about the June bug that we just. Just liked. It was good.

Adam Curry (137:36)

Well, a couple of things. One, it was in monochrome.

John C. Dvorak (137:41)

Yes. Yeah. Which changes the dynamics.

Adam Curry (137:44)

Changes.

John C. Dvorak (137:45)

Changes dynamics.

Adam Curry (137:45)

Now we don't want a bunch of monochrome stuff all of a sudden. It just so happens this worked.

John C. Dvorak (137:50)

There were a lot of Texas drowning. Texas water. Yeah. No.

Adam Curry (137:55)

Yeah, that's not happening.

John C. Dvorak (137:56)

A little too soon, don't you think?

Adam Curry (137:58)

And the gorillas are no good?

John C. Dvorak (138:01)

No, no. They really weren't any good prop bets. No, this was it. This was.

Adam Curry (138:08)

Wasn't really a lot of competition with this piece.

John C. Dvorak (138:11)

No. But Nick. Nick nailed. It's good to have him back. And we appreciate that. No agenda.

Adam Curry (138:15)

He'll either start to produce a bunch of this junk. AI junk or he will just take it another win. I'LL just. I'll go back to doing what I was doing.

John C. Dvorak (138:28)

192. I'm good to go.

Adam Curry (138:29)

It's like a roundy. Did he win a couple and he disappeared off the face of the earth.

John C. Dvorak (138:34)

He got a job. He's like, ah, screw you guys. Okay, so that is the time and talent portion. No agenda. Art generator, dot com. Everybody can participate. And I will say in advance that we have non AI end of show mixes. Unlike the artists who just folded the mixers. Like, no, no, no, we're not having this. We're gonna fight the AI. And there's some good AI that was submitted, by the way. There was some pretty good AI. Nico Syme submitted something that you were all.

Adam Curry (139:09)

He's in the Dutch master, isn't he?

John C. Dvorak (139:12)

Niko Sime.

Adam Curry (139:13)

I think he's from Holland.

John C. Dvorak (139:15)

Well, but we don't have Dutch music masters.

Adam Curry (139:19)

Why not?

John C. Dvorak (139:19)

Well, the only. Name one band out of Holland.

Adam Curry (139:24)

The Holland Five. No, The Holland Tunnel.

John C. Dvorak (139:28)

You could have said Golden Earring. You could have said shocking.

Adam Curry (139:32)

I don't know these bands. I'm not like you. I'm not a band discographer.

John C. Dvorak (139:36)

You've never heard of Golden Earring?

Adam Curry (139:38)

I've heard of Golden Earring, but I didn't know where they were from. Holland Tunnel was a good joke.

John C. Dvorak (139:43)

Yeah, yeah. Okay, Boomer, let us go to the treasure portion. This is how it works. We thank everybody, $50 and above. And if you hit us up with $200 or above for this particular episode, we give you a bonus. We give you an associate executive producer credit, which is useful and recognized every. Everywhere that Hollywood credits work, including IMDb.com, and we'll read your note. Gladly. $300 and above, you become an executive producer. This is just like Hollywood, basically. And we will read your note. And you get that executive producer credit. And we start with Yair Moore. Yair Moore is from dn East Binyamin, Illinois. That sounds fake. What is that?

Adam Curry (140:29)

IL is the country code. He's in Israel.

John C. Dvorak (140:32)

Oh, he's in Israel. Oh, he's in Jew money. There you go. So he's an East Bingamin. Oh, thank you. Yair Moore. And he says, in the morning, gents, July 12th is my 40th birthday. Wait a minute. Do we have him on the list? It's not color coded properly. Is he on the list? Have you checked if he is on the list? Let me see. Yeah, he's on the list. Okay, he's on the list. Good. I'm chipping in with some more shekels. For the show. AKA Jew Money. More than usual to get myself a special midlife crisis present. The title. Sir, yes. Pronounced serious. Oh, sir, yes, sir. Yes, I got it. Night of the no Agenda show. In case Jay wants to verify he sent his accounting along. Along with a triple karma. For finding a new house. For finding my own keeper. For succeeding in my exit strategy and online video. I wouldn't call it podcasting. Because I love you, Adam. No homo. I mean, I am homo, but not towards you. Whoa. This little TMI with my aptly named show. More about Mohr, More abouts. Thank you for your courage. Sorry for the long note, John. Again. It's pronounced Yair more. And he wants a. A rare triple karma. We'll give him a two with a goat.

Dana Bash (141:46)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (141:49)

That'll count for three.

Dana Bash (141:51)

You've got karma.

Adam Curry (141:56)

Good old Greg the welder in Pottstown, Pennsylvania. 337.80 in the morning, fellas. I hate to bring this up, but I noticed you guys forgot my house buying karma for my last. Last donation. Sorry about the Adam's fault.

John C. Dvorak (142:12)

Yeah, my fault.

Adam Curry (142:13)

Totally, partially my fault for distracting you with my public land rant.

John C. Dvorak (142:17)

Oh, there you go.

Adam Curry (142:18)

I usually wouldn't make a fuss, but my wife and I could use some help finding out. Or finding our forever home. A little house selling karma wouldn't hurt either. Again. Thanks, guys.

John C. Dvorak (142:30)

All right, here it comes. House selling karma for you.

Dana Bash (142:32)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (142:36)

Sir. Pantangillini Pantangelini in Lamborghin. Pennsylvan for Renegade. All right, let me make that switcheroo right away so we don't mess that. That one up. Renegade. And he says, I'd like to offer an apology for everyone at N.A. s for constantly being wrong about Israel. They can't help themselves. It is real. They all still listen. Yeah, of course. Many start with an answer and work their way to justify the answer. I appreciate that neither of you do this. Either way. Oh, this is so is. We're getting like the shekel money here today, John. It's all coming in. It's proof.

Adam Curry (143:13)

No, it's about to. You gripe and gripe, and this is what happens.

John C. Dvorak (143:17)

That's right. By the way, this is 233.69. Associate executive producer. Either way, it's been suggested that you both are high on the Epstein list, which is why it hasn't been released. And you are both shills for Mossad, which is why also neither of you.

Adam Curry (143:34)

Where's our money?

John C. Dvorak (143:35)

Talk about the Ben Gurion Canal from Gaza to the Gulf of Aqaba. I think we have actually. And why Trump wants a hotel at the mouth of the canal and his BFF in Saudi Arabia where will have his neom line project on the other side. By the way, it's warp speed cancer, not turbo cancer. Ooh, there's a good one. Please fix your turbo. That is a good one. I think we'll have to do that. P.S. the moon will remain flat until morale improves. All right, here's your camera's your karma. Thank you.

Dana Bash (144:08)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (144:11)

We have talked about the canal. They're supposed they're going to blow that up with dynamite to make that canal. Remember that.

Adam Curry (144:17)

Something to do.

John C. Dvorak (144:18)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (144:21)

Washtech weapon. Oh, watch. Oh, watch. Tech weaponry. That's right. He's in Manchester. Or the company's in Manchester, New Hampshire.

John C. Dvorak (144:33)

Freedom.

Adam Curry (144:34)

So if you're there, Wash W O J T E K Weaponry ITM for all the slaves out there have been way waiting and buying a suppressor. I have a bunch in stock@washtech weaponry.com and we'll hold them for you until January for tax free transfers. Ping me.

John C. Dvorak (144:58)

Oh, that's interesting.

Adam Curry (144:59)

That's nice.

John C. Dvorak (145:01)

Hey, there he is. Eli the coffee guy. I'm missing his coffee today. 207.10. That is once again his. He's doing the numbers with the dates. It's 7:10 Bensonville, Illinois. He says after a week fishing in the Northwoods with no Internet or cell service, I've been missing the media deconstruction. I emerged from the wilderness to discover Jeffrey Epstein did kill himself after all. Can I get a. That's what happens, man. You leave and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden stuff starts to happen. He says, can I get a what's that in your mouth? Jingle? For all those involved in the COVID up the donation. This donation is dedicated to my team at Gigawatt who kept the coffee flowing while Jen and I were on vacation. For producers who want amazing fresh roasted coffee, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com use code ITM20 for 20 off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. What's that in your mouth.

Adam Curry (146:00)

Munger?

John C. Dvorak (146:01)

No.

Adam Curry (146:02)

Oh, I'm sorry, no. I got Sir Ouija the famous. Sir Ouija the famous in Cold Spring, New York, 204.5itm John and Adam and to all the new both users of the no agenda nation.

John C. Dvorak (146:17)

Oh, it's the both B O T H. It's the salt and pepper guys.

Adam Curry (146:22)

Oh, the both. Oh yes, right. Which is a nice product.

John C. Dvorak (146:25)

It's an interesting product for sure.

Adam Curry (146:27)

Yeah, I use it, actually. Yeah, of course. I gave away the salt, mostly salt, and kept it mostly pepper. Your support and positive feedback. Feedback for both has been overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming. Both is the salt and pepper mix with the two options. One with more salt and less pepper, the other with more pepper and less salt is a very. I don't know what pepper he's using, but it's a very peppery.

John C. Dvorak (146:51)

But you know what's interesting about this product? So this is supposedly so you don't have to have separate salt and pepper shakers, but now you still have two, because some people want more salt, less pepper, some want more pepper, less salt. You still have two. I mean, it's not really a savings.

Adam Curry (147:07)

Well, what I find interesting about the one, especially with more pepper, is that when you're salting something, it's just like you can't see it. But when you put. When it's the salt and pepper, you can see how much you're using. This is like tear gas. They. A lot of the smoke comes out. It's not. It's not. That's not the gas. That's just to show the cops where. Where the wind's blowing and it's going to come back at them or not.

John C. Dvorak (147:28)

Right.

Adam Curry (147:30)

So it's a very interesting product from that regard. Anyway, through extensive flavor. He continues, through extensive flavor research, we have calculated the perfect ratios for whichever seasoning strategy you desire. Both can be purchased.

John C. Dvorak (147:45)

What is your seasoning strategy today, John?

Adam Curry (147:48)

Yeah, it's usually more pepper than salt. Both can be purchased@useboth.com and our tasty content is on Instagram. Use both. Disavow bland food and demand both. Yes. Okay, sir. Ouija, the famous.

John C. Dvorak (148:08)

Nice.

Adam Curry (148:08)

Okay. It's an ad.

John C. Dvorak (148:10)

Monger is in Wyckoff, Minnesota. 202.02 and he says switcheroo for Zachary Fighead Schindle in Minneapolis. Okay. And he says from Monger in Woff. And what he would like is I got ants. Well, we're not going to play the full song, but we'll happily play a little bit of the I Got Ants with the switcheroo for Zachary Fighead Schindle in Minneapolis.

Adam Curry (148:39)

I got ants. I got ants.

Dana Bash (148:52)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (148:54)

Yeah, we always cut it off with the karma.

Adam Curry (148:56)

Linda Lou Patkins up from Lakewood, Colorado and she wants jobs case. She came with 200 and says for a resume that gets or that tells your story, highlights your wins and shows why you're unique visit ImageMakers Inc.com for a resume that gets results. That's imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

Dana Bash (149:20)

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

John C. Dvorak (149:28)

And our final associate executive producer, Shannon goes to Sir Dwight the knight from Burlington, Ontario. That is in Candanavia. $200 ITM gents, Sir Dwight the Knight. May I have some house buying karma, please? Fight the good fight. A lot of house buying karma recently. Okay, you got it. Sir Dwight.

Dana Bash (149:43)

The night you've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (149:47)

And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1780. 1780 shows and four more years to go. Thank you you all. You can go to noagendadonations.com to support us with your value for value, with your treasure, any amount, anytime you want, for whatever reason. It's value that we give you. Just send us back some value, whatever it was worth to you. We can't determine that for you. And of course we'll be thanking the rest of our $50 and above donors in our second segment coming up soon because we are behind today. Thank you again to these executive and associate executive producers for 17 formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Adam Curry (150:32)

Order.

Dana Bash (150:33)

Shut up slave.

Adam Curry (150:35)

Shut up slave.

John C. Dvorak (150:37)

You know, speaking of shut up slave. This made me. This made me chuckle. This made me chuckle. I'm sure you heard this report tonight, a big change at American airports.

Adam Curry (150:49)

The TSA saying effective immediately, all passengers.

John C. Dvorak (150:52)

Not just those with precheck will be.

Adam Curry (150:54)

Able to keep their shoes on through security. Something we haven't seen in nearly 20 years.

John C. Dvorak (150:59)

After that attempted shoe bombing and in.

Dana Bash (151:01)

The wake of 9 11, we anticipate that Americans and travelers and those coming into our country will be very excited that they will no longer have to remove their shoes.

Adam Curry (151:10)

The so called shoe bomber, Richard Reed tried to blow up a flight from Paris to Miami in 2001. The explosives passed in his shoes failed to detonate and Reed was tackled by passengers and crew.

Dana Bash (151:21)

Are you going to put that up here?

Adam Curry (151:23)

Since then, the TSA has added multiple layers of security, including data on millions of Americans. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem insists flights will be just as secure.

Dana Bash (151:34)

Since that policy was put in place, our security technology has changed dramatically. It's evolved. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (151:40)

Without our approval, you have just added facial recognition and it's here to stay. They just slipped that in. Everybody went okay. I'm used to it with my iPhone. It's fine. Whatever little sign says we deleted after 24 hours. Yeah, sure you do yeah, like, remember.

Adam Curry (151:59)

When they had the X ray machines and they had the naked women go through it? They said they kept deleting and then there's. Turns out there was an underground people trading pictures of nude women.

John C. Dvorak (152:08)

Of course. And that's what they did. I mean, since it's 20 years ago, we got the naked body scanners, we got the backscatter scanners, and now we have the analogic. It still kills me. Those big carry on scanners that look like a jet engine. You probably haven't seen one.

Adam Curry (152:30)

Yeah, I've seen them. They've been around forever.

John C. Dvorak (152:32)

Yeah. Although I will say that we have pre check. So I'm completely in the system. And the whole rig, two cases, you know, one filled with wires and plugs and all kinds of stuff. The podcast rig and then my. My sling camera bag that has microphones in it. It goes through no problem. So I guess, I guess it's true that, like, Curry's not a problem. He's not a terrorist. He's good.

Adam Curry (153:01)

Used to be.

John C. Dvorak (153:02)

Used to be a big one. Used to be a big problem. So that I think is very sad. Oh, we're so excited. And of course, if you wear sad too.

Adam Curry (153:12)

I liked it back in the days when you got pulled over his side and kept waiting for hours on end every time you traveled. I thought that was the good old days.

John C. Dvorak (153:21)

Those were the good old days. All right, two clips for me about bricks. Of course, this is what most of the fighting really has been about, is about pushing back Brazil, India, Russia, China, South Africa, and added to that, possibly Saudi Arabia, Egypt. I mean, there's just tons of countries that have poured into this BRICS thing. And President Trump made a statement about what this was really about and why he's not having it.

Adam Curry (153:51)

BRICS was set up to degenerate our dollar and take our dollar as the standard or take it off as the standard. And that's okay if they want to play.

John C. Dvorak (154:01)

When he says the standard, I think he means the reserve currency of the world, but he forgot what that was, so he's just saying.

Adam Curry (154:07)

Well, he also said the word degenerate, like defrag.

John C. Dvorak (154:12)

I don't know what's going on.

Adam Curry (154:14)

And that's okay if they want to play that game, but I can play that game too. So anybody that's in BRICS is getting a 10% charge.

Dana Bash (154:20)

Is that immediate?

John C. Dvorak (154:22)

Yeah, pretty sure they engage in something pretty soon.

Adam Curry (154:24)

Well, if they're a member of BRICS, they're going to have to pay 10% tariff just for that one thing. And they won't be a member long. I thought BRICS was, you know, I said this about a year ago and it largely broke up. But, you know, there are a couple that hang around, but I thought it largely broke up. BRICS is not, in my opinion, not a serious threat. But what they're trying to do is destroy the dollar so that another other country can take over and be the standard. And we're not going to lose the standard at any time. If you have a smart president, you will never lose the standard. If you have a stupid president like the last one, you would lose the standard. You wouldn't, you wouldn't have the dollars.

John C. Dvorak (155:02)

I don't want to lose the standard.

Adam Curry (155:03)

And if we lost the, the world standard dollar, that would be like losing a war, a major world war. We would not be the same country any longer. We're not going to let that happen. The dollar. You ever hear the expression dollar is king? The dollar is king. We're going to keep it that way, okay? And I'm just saying if people want to challenge it, they can, but they're going to have to pay a big price. And I don't think any of them are willing to pay that price.

John C. Dvorak (155:32)

So I checked in on the BRICS to see how they were doing, to see if, if they are still a threat to the dollar, to degenerate the dollar as the world standard. And they just had a meeting. Did you know they just had a meeting? The brics? Yeah.

Adam Curry (155:48)

Isn't this the meeting that Putin didn't show up for?

John C. Dvorak (155:50)

Yeah, he sent Lavrov instead. And, and these guys, they, they're like begging for money from the imf. What kind of BRICS is that?

Dana Bash (155:59)

More demands for change. BRICS countries called for reforms of the International Monetary Fund during their annual summit in Rio de Janeiro on Monday. The bloc notably wants a reformation of IMF quotas, which the IMF uses to determine how much money member states can contribute, but also how much they can get in loans. Through the vision for IMF reform, we will engage more countries in the 17th General Review of IMF quotas. Brazil supports an inclusive quota realignment process with a simple, balanced and transparent calculation formula. But global finance was not the only concern for the group. Brazil's president also called for fairer governance of artificial intelligence technology. By adopting the Declaration on Artificial Intelligence Governance, BRICS is sending a clear and unequivocal message. New technologies must operate within a fair, inclusive and equitable governance framework. The development of artificial intelligence cannot become a privilege of a few countries.

Adam Curry (157:02)

That'S the world's worst clip.

John C. Dvorak (157:04)

Well, that's the only one. I.

Adam Curry (157:05)

She's mumbling in the background. She's whispering into the mic, where did this come from?

John C. Dvorak (157:09)

Africa news, unfortunately.

Adam Curry (157:12)

Well, I've got African news, too, but it wasn't poorly. That was terrible.

John C. Dvorak (157:16)

Well, I'm so sorry. That's all I can.

Adam Curry (157:17)

Well, I mean, you can explain what she said because I couldn't hear her.

John C. Dvorak (157:21)

Okay. She said that the bricks were saying we need better terms from the imf, which is we, we own that. Sorry. And then she said, and. And we. To artificial intelligence. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's what they're complaining about. So they're lost. They got nothing if they don't have that. And Lavrov, he looked, he was like slouched in his chair. He was like, why did I. Why am I here?

Adam Curry (157:51)

That's exactly right. So why is he here?

John C. Dvorak (157:54)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (157:54)

So I think, well, that sounds like this is a disaster.

John C. Dvorak (157:57)

I would say that after China got the message, BRICS is whoops, whoops. Okay, we're just going to hold back a little bit. They'll try again in a few years, I'm sure.

Adam Curry (158:08)

But for now, it wasn't going to work to begin with.

John C. Dvorak (158:11)

Well, they tried.

Adam Curry (158:12)

We should have spotted it as a, as a epic fail bricks. There was Africa news. Hold on.

John C. Dvorak (158:20)

Africa news.

Adam Curry (158:22)

Trump. Trump had another big meeting with the Africans and I realized that now he's going to keep doing these meetings until he can bring enough people in there to demand he gets a Nobel Peace Prize.

Dana Bash (158:33)

President Trump hosting leaders from several African nations at the White House, all of them praising Trump's efforts to end the war between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, saying it was necessary to bring peace and open up trade talks. NTD's Washington correspondent Jack Bradley has the details.

Adam Curry (158:50)

There's great economic potential in Africa like few other places.

John C. Dvorak (158:56)

President Trump hosts leaders from several African nations at the White House on Wednesday, all looking for US Investment. Trump says it's a change in strategy from previous administrations with a new focus on trade over aid. And these are the leaders of Liberia, Senegal, Gabon, Mauritania and Guinea. All claim to have an abundance of critical and rare earth minerals, a valuable element in making electronics.

Dana Bash (159:19)

You said you had the best equipment, the best military equipment, and that's what we'd like to have. You are welcome to come and invest. Otherwise other countries might come instead of you.

Adam Curry (159:32)

We believe in your policy of making America great again.

John C. Dvorak (159:37)

Over the past few years, several African nations have partnered with the Chinese regime Economically, but in doing so, for these infrastructure projects that they've built, these countries have risen, racked up billions in debt. And now Trump says that he's working on trade deals in the region.

Adam Curry (159:52)

You know, parts of Africa charge us tremendous tariffs, as you know, and they're going to be dropping those tariffs. They've already informed me they're going to be dropping those. But we treat Africa far better than China or anybody else anyplace else.

John C. Dvorak (160:06)

The message is so clear. We're tired of winning President Trump.

Adam Curry (160:12)

The funny thing is, is that it's possible the Chinese have not, you know, they tried to be economic hitman, but they couldn't do the job right. But they did get these guys in debt, there's no doubt about that. And Trump's giving him a way to get out of debt. But the meantime, the Chinese have put in the infrastructure, which is what we need to get all the minerals and stuff out of the country. Because if there's no infrastructure, you can't, you know how you do anything. And I think this is a, the timing on this is genius by Trump.

John C. Dvorak (160:43)

Well, this is all west coast, so that's ship lanes. We're going to just rock the ships up to him.

Adam Curry (160:48)

Who could take all that stuff, Cobalt and all the good stuff. Okay, part two.

John C. Dvorak (160:54)

Beautiful. Last month, the foreign ministers of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda signed a peace agreement in Washington moving toward putting an end to a 30 year war with over 7 million deaths. Trump said that the heads of those countries will soon meet in Washington to sign the final deal to end the war.

Dana Bash (161:13)

You, you said that this put an end to a long war that claimed many lives. And thankfully you were here to put an end to this 30 year war. A Nobel Peace Prize. While I don't see any problem with it, I think that President Trump deserves it for all the efforts that he's worked on. And he brought peace and back in the Siak region, that is my region, the region where DRC and Rwanda signed a deal. And so he is now bringing peace back into a region where that was never possible.

John C. Dvorak (161:55)

Now, this comes as President Trump announced a new round of tariffs on several countries on Wednesday. Trump says that the numbers based on each country's relative trade practices on the.

Adam Curry (162:05)

U.S. it's a formula based on common sense, based on deficits, based on how we've been treated over the years. Brazil, as an example, has been not good to us, not good at all.

John C. Dvorak (162:19)

Brazil was hit with the highest at 50%.

Adam Curry (162:22)

That's as Trump claims.

John C. Dvorak (162:24)

Brazil's current President is treating the former president of Brazil, Bolsonaro, unfairly. These tariffs take effect on August 1st. Yeah, yeah. And these are probably. Were these also Chinese annexes, these countries.

Adam Curry (162:41)

I think most of them on the other coast. But the, the thing about this peace prize Trump has, it's in his craw because Obama got one before he even stepped foot in office.

John C. Dvorak (162:54)

That's right. Forgot about that. That's why he wants it. Well, that would be a reason to not. Not want it. Like, I don't want that phony baloney peace prize.

Adam Curry (163:03)

Well, that's what he'll say if he, if they ever give it to him. No, he wants the prize.

John C. Dvorak (163:08)

I think they should award it to him. And he should say, no, not until you take away Obama's.

Adam Curry (163:14)

I don't think that's going to happen. And he'll say he wants it.

John C. Dvorak (163:17)

Look at this picture. I got some video I want to show you.

Adam Curry (163:22)

Meanwhile, Russia, Ukraine is. I got three clips. I want to get these out of the way.

John C. Dvorak (163:27)

Okay, well, this has got. This has got to be it then, because we're Russia running behind.

Adam Curry (163:32)

So you're putting the screws to me.

John C. Dvorak (163:34)

Well, I'm letting you have the last clips.

Adam Curry (163:37)

Okay, well, let's go. I guess there's three of them. All right, so we'll start with Russia. Ukraine 1.

Dana Bash (163:41)

Ukrainian officials say Russia launched its largest barrage of the war so far, sending more than 700 drones overnight. Buildings burned through the morning in the northwestern city of Lutsk, a critical hub where Ukraine receives foreign military military aid. Officials say 10 other regions were also struck. The barrage comes a day after President Trump criticized Russian President Vladimir Putin's ongoing aggression and follows a u turn by the Trump administration on sending more military aid to Ukraine. Meanwhile, good to see you. In Rome, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met with US Special envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg and earlier visited Pope Leo, who again offered to host peace talks at the Vatican. Moscow had previously rejected that invitation.

John C. Dvorak (164:31)

Yeah, well, you know, you know what this is? This is NATO versus brics. Like, okay, we got all the money. We got everything in we can, we can keep. By the way, he hasn't sent any Patriots. He sent over some shells.

Adam Curry (164:44)

Well, he's gonna send some. He says.

John C. Dvorak (164:46)

He says. I don't know about that.

Adam Curry (164:48)

Well, skip to this one to go to drone attack report. This is, this is the NTD version of the report. And they got some interesting facts in here that make me think this whole thing's a sham.

John C. Dvorak (165:00)

Hold on. This is a nine minute clip, John.

Adam Curry (165:02)

Oh, Geez, I must not have down clipped it.

John C. Dvorak (165:05)

Should I try the beginning, see if that's it, or.

Adam Curry (165:07)

Yeah, see what happens.

John C. Dvorak (165:08)

Firefighters in Ukraine are battling flames caused by a massive Russian attack On Wednesday. Russia reportedly again broke its own record for the largest drone attack on Ukraine since the start of the war. Ukrainian officials say Wednesday's attack involved over 720 drones. That's an increase of nearly 200 drones compared to the previous record. The attack was mostly repelled, but was.

Adam Curry (165:33)

Intense enough to cause neighboring Poland to.

John C. Dvorak (165:36)

Begin scrambling its military aircraft. No major damage or casualties have been reported.

Adam Curry (165:42)

Stop it. That was the clip.

John C. Dvorak (165:44)

Okay, good.

Adam Curry (165:45)

Perfect. 750 drones. Nobody got killed.

John C. Dvorak (165:50)

Well, that's kind of odd. That seems like nobody got.

Adam Curry (165:53)

There's 750 drones all coming over and nobody got killed.

John C. Dvorak (165:57)

There's nobody left.

Adam Curry (165:59)

Well, I mean, there may be that issue, but come on. Yeah, that sounds like a phony baloney deal if you ask me.

John C. Dvorak (166:08)

Well, you heard him talk about Putin. You have that clip.

Adam Curry (166:14)

Well, the clip that I have is the second part of the PBS clip, which maybe mentions that.

Dana Bash (166:20)

Separately, Europe's top human rights court found that Russia committed widespread violations of international law in Ukraine dating back more than a decade. That includes its role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over. Separatists controlled Ukraine in 2014. 298 people were killed, killed in that crash. The court also found Russia responsible in cases of murder, torture and sexual violence against Ukrainian civilians, as well as the kidnappings of Ukrainian children. The Kremlin brushed off the court's ruling, saying it has, quote, no intention to abide by it.

John C. Dvorak (166:56)

Yeah, yeah, no, I have the. Although, unfortunately, I only have the censored version because God forbid you say this word.

Adam Curry (167:03)

We're not happy with Putin. I'm not happy with Putin. I can tell you that much right now because he's killing a lot of people and a lot of them are his soldiers. His soldiers and their soldiers, mostly. And it's now up to 7,000 a week. And I'm not happy with Putin. We get a lot of bull thrown at us by Putin for. You want to know the truth? He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.

Dana Bash (167:28)

Do you want to say Lindsey Graham has a sanctions bill on Russia? Do you want him to move?

Adam Curry (167:33)

I'm looking at it. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (167:34)

No, I'm looking at.

Adam Curry (167:34)

The Senate is passing and passed a very, very tough sanction. But, yeah, I'm looking at. It's an optional bill. It's totally at my option. They pass it Totally at my option. And to terminate. Totally at my option. And I'm looking at it very strongly.

John C. Dvorak (167:50)

But he makes it sound like there's some special kind of bill that is his option.

Adam Curry (167:55)

No, there is a bill that's getting passed and it's his option to sign.

John C. Dvorak (167:58)

It through the Senate. It's not in the House yet. I mean, there's a little ways.

Adam Curry (168:03)

I'm telling you, when I heard the 750dr. And nobody got injured, it sounds a little weak. This whole thing sounds like some sort of phony baloney deal. I think it's going to be resolved after they have the ceasefire. Yes, in Hamas. The Hamas ceasefire.

John C. Dvorak (168:17)

Yeah, I think you're right. And it will be an armistice. It will not be. There will not be a truce or anything like that. It'll be like North Korea. You got to keep that in there to keep the NATO.

Adam Curry (168:26)

I like that idea.

John C. Dvorak (168:27)

Armistice. That's what I would do with the DMZ demilitarized zone, which I've been saying for years. And did you know NATO? No, of course not. Did you hear the. The so called leaked footage of the President saying I told him I'm going to bomb Moscow. I'll bomb everybody. It's unusable for the show.

Adam Curry (168:53)

No, I did not.

John C. Dvorak (168:54)

Oh yeah, apparently it's. It's real. He was saying I told him I bombed Moscow if he didn't quit it out. Yeah, baby. War. What is it good for?

Adam Curry (169:07)

I'm going to show my support by.

John C. Dvorak (169:09)

Donating to no Agenda.

Adam Curry (169:11)

Imagine all the people who could do that.

John C. Dvorak (169:12)

Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Pretty short list today, but we will thank the rest of our donors. $50 and above. And still to come, we got some dynamite in the show. Makes us John's tip of the day. And we have some nights to congratulate along with the meetup report.

Adam Curry (169:35)

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John C. Dvorak (169:54)

Very nice.

Adam Curry (169:56)

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John C. Dvorak (170:11)

Thank you, Dame Rita.

Adam Curry (170:14)

Stefan or Stephen Hutto. Hutto in St. Petersburg. 75, sir. Skip Logic in Spring Hill, Tennessee. 64, 40, 46. Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, Brillo, California. 6161. This is an GIGI donation.

John C. Dvorak (170:33)

Here we go. I'll just have an apple in my room.

Adam Curry (170:38)

Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado. 6,006. Jason Shepard, Trinidad, Colorado, 6,006. Yeah. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6,006. Has three sets of small boobs. Steve Banstra, Nashville, Tennessee. 59.93.

John C. Dvorak (170:55)

Sir Steve. Sir Steve.

Adam Curry (170:57)

Franklin Monterosa in Dodge City, Kansas. 5,510. Troy Funder Burke in Missoula, Montana. 55. Brittany Miller in Trinidad, Colorado. 5,272. Philip Custer in Rosendall, Holland.

John C. Dvorak (171:19)

Very good. Very good.

Adam Curry (171:20)

5,272. Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa. 51. Bad Idea Supply. Look them up. They're on the Internet. 50. 50. Steven. They make stuff that burns. Burn stuff. You want to burn something? Get a hold of Bad Idea Supply. Now we have $50 donors. Just the name and location. Here. Stephen, Ray and Spokane, Ed. Edward Mazurek in Memphis. Jacob.

John C. Dvorak (171:55)

Yep.

Adam Curry (171:56)

In Decatur, Illinois. Ray Howard in Kremmeling, Colorado. Roderick Brown in Mermaid. What's P.E.

John C. Dvorak (172:08)

It'S in Canada.

Adam Curry (172:09)

Oh, that's Canada. Oh, that's the. Yeah, yeah. That's the Prince Edward Island.

John C. Dvorak (172:13)

Edward. Yes.

Adam Curry (172:15)

Renee Knig in Ultresht.

John C. Dvorak (172:24)

In Utrecht.

Adam Curry (172:29)

Holland. Stephen Schumach in Xenia, Ohio. Graham McDonald in Watson's Bay, Australia.

John C. Dvorak (172:38)

Don't always agree, but enjoy your work. Good.

Adam Curry (172:42)

Well, at least we got one Australian.

John C. Dvorak (172:44)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (172:45)

The rest of them all bailed out or they kept them from listening or they got.

John C. Dvorak (172:49)

Locked them up.

Adam Curry (172:50)

I think they locked them up. Scott Merrill in Calabasas, California. Henry.

John C. Dvorak (172:57)

Harry.

Adam Curry (172:59)

Harry. I said Henry. Clan in Aledo, Texas, wherever that is. Jason Deluzio in Miami Beach, Florida. And last on the list, a short list, to be honest about it. Carrie Jackson in Watertown, Tennessee. I think these folks are making show. 1780, the year that Benedict Arnold tried to destroy the United States by giving up West Point. A very good year.

John C. Dvorak (173:31)

Is that what happened? Is that what happened? Okay.

Adam Curry (173:34)

Well, that's one of the things. Yeah. West Point was. Was founded by. We're not founded, but I don't know who founded it, but George Washington. And used it as headquarters from 1799-17. 1779-1800. And Benedict Arnold got together with the guy who was running it, trying to turn over the plans to it to the British so they could take it over.

John C. Dvorak (173:57)

Ah, that's where Benedict Arnold comes from. Yes.

Adam Curry (173:59)

And Benedict Arnold got caught.

John C. Dvorak (174:02)

Bad guy. He's a bad guy. He's dead, but he's a bad guy.

Adam Curry (174:06)

He's dead. He's been dead.

John C. Dvorak (174:08)

Thank you to these donors. $50 and above. Thank you everyone who came in under 50 doll never mentioned to make sure that you will remain anonymous and we don't screw it up because we do have a penchant for that from time to time. And of course, that also includes our sustaining donors who go to noagendadonations.com and you can give us that sustaining donation by creating a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. It's all up to you, as is the entire value for value system. You make up the numbers. People love the numerology. We like the 6161 and Gigi donation. All of it is up to you. That's how it works. That's how we've been doing it for 17 and a half years. Go to no agenda donations.com support the show, everybody. And we have a birthday twins tomorrow celebrating on July 11th. Jay, she's not Dvorak anymore. What's her last name now?

Adam Curry (175:04)

Lawson Jay Lawton.

John C. Dvorak (175:11)

All right, Jay. And Tina Marie Curry celebrates tomorrow. Happy birthday to the twins. I am so happy we're here to celebrate. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And on the 12th, Yair Moore turns 40 years old. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. No title changes, but we do have an number of nights, including a layaway night. Zuki of Enoshima, he says, hey, Adam and John, I crossed the threshold into nighthood a couple of months ago after getting close and Then starting at 1111 monthly donation to go over the top. The no Agenda plus content is really worth it. He's on the on the plus bundle. Please knight me. Sir Zuki like Suzuki. Sir Zuki Ooh of Enoshima, reporting live from Kanawaga, Kanawa, Kanawa, Kanagawa, Japan. I should have gotten that right where it's hot as balls jingles. They're eating the dog's hot Pockets. In four more years.

Adam Curry (176:06)

They're eating the dog's hot Pockets four more years.

John C. Dvorak (176:11)

Let us knight him and our two other knights. If you can get your blade out, John, we'll take care of that right away. That's a very nice one. A nice blade. Devin o', Connell, that would be you, sir. And Yarmore, both of you. Now, Knights of the no Agenda roundtable, thanks to your support of the show, lay away or not at $1,000 or more. I'm very proud to pronounce the Kate the as Sir Zuki of Enoshima and Sir. Yes, Knight of the no Agenda show for you. We have hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay. We've got warm beer and cold women. We've got Harlots and Haldol. We've got cowgirls and coffin varnish, Ruben esque women in rose geishas and sake Vodka, Medilla Bonghenson Bourbon Sparkling Sun, Veteran escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and padmen. Of course. Always at the round table we have the ever effervescent mutton and mead both of you had. Yeah, both of you head over to noagendarings.com that's where you will see the lovely rings that are either for knights or for dames. They are signet rings so you can put a little Latin in the morning into your important correspondence because we give you sticks of wax to do that with. And of course a certificate of authenticity. And thank you both very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Oh yeah, the no Agenda meetups are where you meet the first responders in your life. Connection is protection. You can get it at no Agenda Meetup by going to no agendameetups.com. it's a great calendar system. Thank you Sir Daniel for always keeping that up to date. Mimi, for managing everything over there. Today a recalcitrant Santa Barbara meetup takes place at 6:33. That's in Santa Barbara, California at Finney's Crafthouse. Tomorrow beer in in the sun in Victoria, British Columbia in Canada at the Lighthouse Brewery at 5:30 on Saturday, the last Denver City park meet up. The last one. It's the last one. You gotta go there. 2:00', clock the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in City Park. Servito. It's his last one if I hadn't mentioned it. Also Saturday, the Gitmo Nation Fondue meetup. This is the one at the rooftop bar in Zurich, Switzerland. Kicks off at 6 o' clock there in Zurich. Please. RS SVP to the black Knight, Sir Swiss Senna. We're looking forward to meetup reports from all of these, especially from you Sir Swiss Senna. And get your servers on there as well. Finally, our next show day Sunday, the no Agenda Art Gallery meetup. That'll be at Evergreen Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. 3:30 Eastern. Just a selection of the many meetups that you can go find@noagendameetups.com if you can't find one there, no problem. Start one yourself. Easy. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

Adam Curry (178:55)

You wanna.

John C. Dvorak (178:55)

Be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

Adam Curry (179:05)

It's like A party.

John C. Dvorak (179:07)

Always, always, always like a party.

Adam Curry (179:10)

I want to mention the Club Mallard meetup next Saturday.

John C. Dvorak (179:13)

I'll be there. Albany again. John's coming. Getting out of the house. Everybody, this is something to witness. Go get your picture taken with them. It's great. It'll be a collectible one day.

Adam Curry (179:25)

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

John C. Dvorak (179:28)

ISO time. I have my three. I'm ready to roll them out before yours. These are real ones, not AI generated. Here we go. Seriously, we need to release the F scene list. Okay, that would be a good one. For this particular show. We have this.

Adam Curry (179:42)

Who is that? Was that Glenn beck?

John C. Dvorak (179:44)

No, that's J.D. vance. That's your vice president.

Adam Curry (179:46)

Oh, that's from the. Yeah. Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list.

John C. Dvorak (179:50)

Might be a good one for the show. We have this one.

Adam Curry (179:52)

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Dana Bash (179:53)

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (179:55)

No.

John C. Dvorak (179:57)

And I like this one too. So I'm always anti Boomer. Always anti Boomer.

Adam Curry (180:02)

Yeah. I don't like the last one.

John C. Dvorak (180:03)

Okay. Okay.

Adam Curry (180:05)

They're usable. I have three also.

John C. Dvorak (180:07)

You got three.

Adam Curry (180:08)

Let's start with Unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (180:09)

Unbelievable.

Adam Curry (180:10)

Unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (180:12)

Huh?

Adam Curry (180:15)

Somebody just like Trump.

John C. Dvorak (180:17)

Muddy. It's Muddy.

Adam Curry (180:19)

Coasted.

Dana Bash (180:20)

Nobody coasted on that show.

Adam Curry (180:22)

Nice.

John C. Dvorak (180:23)

Nah, too over the top again.

Adam Curry (180:27)

That was great. Play it again.

John C. Dvorak (180:30)

I don't know, man. I think that seriously, we need to.

Adam Curry (180:34)

Release the Epstein list.

John C. Dvorak (180:35)

I think that's okay.

Adam Curry (180:36)

You can have JD Value.

John C. Dvorak (180:37)

I think that's the one for today. But we don't do any of that before we get to John's tip of the day.

Adam Curry (180:45)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. I had a rare power outage the other day.

John C. Dvorak (180:57)

Oh, wow. You don't have a Jenny?

Adam Curry (181:00)

No, I don't need one. It's the first time in 20 years.

John C. Dvorak (181:03)

Oh, wow.

Adam Curry (181:04)

But I'm on the same circus and fire department.

John C. Dvorak (181:08)

Hold on. That's not true. You had a power outage.

Adam Curry (181:11)

Yeah, but there's. I'm talking about a real power. I'm not talking about a momentary thing.

John C. Dvorak (181:15)

Oh, okay.

Adam Curry (181:17)

This. At night, like at 9 o', clock, boom, Power goes out, pitch black.

John C. Dvorak (181:22)

Okay.

Adam Curry (181:23)

And. Which is rare because I'm on the same circuit as the police department, the fire department, they did give us priority. So it was. Somebody hit a pole or something. So Mimi gets all freaked out. So she's. She got me a couple of items. I'm gonna. The next two items will be, you got a power outage.

John C. Dvorak (181:42)

She got your blackout items. Okay.

Adam Curry (181:43)

She got me some blackout items that are pretty cool. And the one I. Today's is the Energizer. It's called Energizer lights. You can look it up on Amazon. It's Energizer Lights. It comes in a three pack and it's for power outages. It's like little flashlights that are plug in. They plug into the wall socket and stay charged. And then if the power goes out, it triggers. It triggers these things to turn on so you know where they are because it lights up that little area because the power. There's a little flash that lights up.

John C. Dvorak (182:18)

So you won't stub your toe.

Adam Curry (182:21)

Yeah, exactly. Believe me, I had to go. I had to wall hug to get to where I knew some flashlights were and I found it to be distressing.

John C. Dvorak (182:30)

Wow. What else did she get you? This is great.

Adam Curry (182:33)

Well, the other ones I'll have on the next show. But this is the first one.

John C. Dvorak (182:37)

You know what we had. Can I just say what we had in Holland growing up? A Kneip Cut. This is a Dutch product. Kneip Cut. K N I J P K A T which means squeeze cat. I don't know why. And you squeeze it repetitively, kind of like a handbrake and it lights up. So it's a flashlight that you keep.

Adam Curry (183:04)

I like that idea of a thing that charges like that. But the problem, problem is you still have to find it in a pitch black dark, you know, unless you carry it with you all the time. That's why I like these lights because they light up.

John C. Dvorak (183:14)

You need it on a lanyard around your neck at all times.

Adam Curry (183:16)

Yeah, you could.

John C. Dvorak (183:17)

Next.

Adam Curry (183:17)

So you get three, by the way, the Energizer lights are three for about. You get three in a box for about 20 bucks. Right now they're on Amazon prime sale. So today's the last day if you want to get them cheap and it's handy. The idea is solid. I don't think it's going to ever be something around it actually, actually need. But if I, I'll have them, at least I won't have to fumble around.

John C. Dvorak (183:42)

I'm gonna see if I can find a Knipkot on Amazon.

Adam Curry (183:45)

Yeah, find it, put it, post it. Just send me a link.

John C. Dvorak (183:48)

Yeah, it's Amazon day, so it's probably cheap too. And that will conclude John C. Dvorak's Tip of the day. Go to tipoftheday.net to see them all and collect them.

Adam Curry (184:01)

And sometimes.

John C. Dvorak (184:02)

Adam created by Dana Burnetti I'm telling you, collect them all. Collect all of John Cedarvorak's Tip of the Day. It's gonna be dynamite. All collectible at one point in time. Okay, so we've got some real end of show mixes. BDub12, man versus machine. Sir Michael Anthony returns. Professor J. Jones and ID Pop. Brand new to the end of show mixers. They took it to heart, man. They don't want the AI ruining the show because that's what they say. It's gonna ruin the whole show. And we have. If you want to stay tuned to Trollroom IO or on your modern podcast app, we got the two good, just two good old boys coming up next. That's Darren and Gene and they will be talking about the suppressor tax. Redux, redux Ducks. Always about something with those two good old boys. Always something. Some firearm stuff. It's beautiful. And I will return with John on Sunday for another three hours plus of media deconstruction. I'll be back home in Austin, Texas. Until then, remember us at no agenda donations.com in the morning, everybody.

Adam Curry (185:16)

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I'm gonna go comb my hair, I'm John C. Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak (185:23)

We'll see you on Sunday. Until then, adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such.

Adam Curry (185:31)

Mic check itm, JCD and AC V for V. Well, I guess the gauntlet has been thrown down to the ground for end of show man verse Machine will come out clean with such a.

John C. Dvorak (185:50)

Sheen but no we go we're shining with a righteous light no spook but.

Adam Curry (185:54)

Sparking up the night Cause I got.

John C. Dvorak (185:55)

Sword, I got control and I can hold the microphone Hitting you with a little bit of hip hop Funky drums with no delivery from TikTok creative slays escape the maze and numbing haze of the algo Metallic bolts and Mac and cheese I'm stacking sats through fountain streets decentralized with open eyes I see the lies in their M.O.

Adam Curry (186:15)

These laughs I'm passing the mic to you for the next end of show song, man. Pick it up.

John C. Dvorak (186:22)

Oh, the sound of clowns.

Adam Curry (186:26)

It's a media circus. Circus.

John C. Dvorak (186:31)

Good thing we got this gitmonation. Media assassination. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epsynt?

Dana Bash (186:41)

Jeffrey Epson, Jeffrey Epstein? A lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot. A lot of information sitting on my desk right now to review.

John C. Dvorak (186:50)

Don't trust anyone. Don't, don't, don't, don't trust anyone. Me included. How the hell do you lose evidence.

Adam Curry (186:59)

In a case this speak?

Dana Bash (187:00)

Bad guys, bad guys, bad guys.

John C. Dvorak (187:03)

Are you still talking about Jeffrey ep?

Dana Bash (187:06)

Jeffrey Epin. Jeffrey Bad guys sitting on my desk right now to review.

John C. Dvorak (187:11)

Don't, don't, don't trust anyone.

Dana Bash (187:13)

Me and CL are usually talking about Jeffrey ep. Jeffrey ep. Jeffrey ep. Bad guy. A lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot. A lot of information.

Adam Curry (187:25)

It's not there.

Dana Bash (187:27)

The Trump administration is pushing back against calls to fire Attorney General Pam Bondi over her handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Adam Curry (187:35)

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? It's strange to me, too.

Dana Bash (187:40)

The accused sex trafficker did not keep a secret. Client list.

John C. Dvorak (187:44)

It's easy to sum it up. Say what again? Say once again.

Adam Curry (187:50)

Are people still talking about this guy?

John C. Dvorak (187:51)

This creepy?

Adam Curry (187:53)

We in here talking about practice?

Dana Bash (187:56)

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

John C. Dvorak (187:59)

Listen, we talking about practice.

Adam Curry (188:01)

I can't believe you're asking a question on that.

John C. Dvorak (188:04)

What are we talking about?

Adam Curry (188:05)

Practice.

Dana Bash (188:07)

Bondi saying that is a technical glitch that happens every night.

Adam Curry (188:10)

I know I supposed to leave by exam.

John C. Dvorak (188:12)

He is, Julie, his brother's keeper.

Adam Curry (188:14)

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

Dana Bash (188:19)

Earlier this year, she said she had Epstein's list in her office.

Adam Curry (188:23)

Not a game. Not a game.

John C. Dvorak (188:25)

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger.

Adam Curry (188:35)

It's strange to me too. So, you guys ready?

John C. Dvorak (188:41)

I need to know that you're ready. Let's talk about war for a second.

Adam Curry (188:44)

I need to know that you're ready for war. War. What is it good for?

John C. Dvorak (188:52)

Nothing. Say it again.

Adam Curry (188:53)

War. What is it good for?

John C. Dvorak (188:58)

Nothing.

Dana Bash (189:00)

Why don't they go out?

John C. Dvorak (189:05)

Hey, we're gonna do a ceasefire. You tell us to do it.

Dana Bash (189:08)

They've had enough and they're ready for the war to end.

John C. Dvorak (189:12)

Enough.

Adam Curry (189:12)

War. What is it good for?

John C. Dvorak (189:17)

Nothing. Say it again.

Adam Curry (189:19)

War. What is it good for?

John C. Dvorak (189:23)

Nothing. We can bring you down.

Adam Curry (189:38)

We don't need your war.

John C. Dvorak (189:40)

I can't take it any longer.

Adam Curry (189:44)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (189:49)

The best podcast in the universe. Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org Na, seriously, we need to release.

Adam Curry (190:01)

The F scene list.