1781 - "Cluster 1"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show - Episode 1781 "Cluster 1"

Title: No Agenda Show
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Release Date: July 13, 2025
Description: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda, by Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak

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1. Opening Remarks and Live Aid Reflection

[00:00 - 03:03]

The episode kicks off with Adam Curry provocatively declaring, "666 Mark of the Beast" [00:00], setting a tone of skepticism towards mainstream narratives. John C. Dvorak introduces the episode from Texas hill country, marking the 40th anniversary of Live Aid [00:15].

Discussion Points:

• Live Aid's Purpose:
  John quizzes Adam on the significance of Live Aid, which Adam initially struggles to recall accurately [01:06]. John clarifies it was to address the famine in Ethiopia [02:07].

• Misallocation of Funds:
  Adam contends that Live Aid funds never reached Ethiopia, expressing distrust in the allocation of charitable donations [02:07].

• Band Aid's Follow-Up:
  The conversation shifts to Band Aid and their hit "Do They Know It's Christmas?" [03:03], highlighting logistical marvels like Phil Collins's use of the Concorde airplane for simultaneous performances [03:45].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "40 years since Live Aid and we're now broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody." [00:15]
• Adam Curry: "Don't send your cash to hate the two Ethiopia." [02:15]

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2. Aviation Incidents and Safety Concerns

[07:38 - 11:18]

The hosts delve into recent aviation disasters, specifically the crash of Air India Flight 171.

Discussion Points:

• Technical Failures:
  They discuss the FAA report indicating fuel starvation due to two mysterious fuel control switches being flipped from 'run' to 'cutoff' [08:25].

• Conspiracy Theories:
  John posits a potential cover-up, citing the lack of direct cockpit audio recordings and the possibility of pilot negligence or intentional sabotage [08:15].

• Boeing's Responsibility:
  They critique Boeing for making the fuel switch locking feature optional, which Air India reportedly ignored [10:25].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "It should not have been optional because Boeing made it an optional fix." [10:48]
• Adam Curry: "Investigators have not drawn official conclusions yet, but reported no technical issues with the engines or the aircraft." [08:21]

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3. The Rise of AI Chatbots and Societal Impact

[12:25 - 28:57]

A significant portion of the episode addresses the growing prevalence of AI chatbots and their psychological impact on individuals.

Discussion Points:

• Social Isolation and AI Companionship:
  John shares experiences of individuals, including his own acquaintances, who engage deeply with AI chatbots, treating them as friends or deities [21:11].

• Historical Context - The Eliza Effect:
  John references the 1966 Eliza program developed by Joseph Weizenbaum, highlighting early instances of humans forming emotional connections with AI [24:13].

• Potential for Manipulation:
  The hosts explore how AI could be leveraged for targeted advertising, drawing parallels to social media algorithms that manipulate user behavior [27:06].

• Mental Health Concerns:
  They discuss how increased reliance on AI for companionship may exacerbate issues like loneliness and mental illness [27:59].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "People are talking to their chatbots as if they're their friends. Some consider them to be a deity." [21:11]
• Adam Curry: "This is the modern day version of the Ouija board." [21:38]

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4. Political Scandals: Jeffrey Epstein and DOJ Turmoil

[28:57 - 73:14]

The conversation shifts to intense scrutiny of political figures and alleged cover-ups related to Jeffrey Epstein.

Discussion Points:

• DOJ and FBI Conflict:
  John details a memo revealing that two fuel switches were flipped on Air India Flight 171, leading to the crash, and speculates about internal cover-ups [08:37].

• Epstein's Client List Controversy:
  The hosts analyze recent developments regarding the release (or withholding) of Epstein's client list, debating the motives behind the DOJ's stances and potential political manipulations [47:13].

• Dan Bongino's Role:
  Discussion about Dan Bongino's controversial position as Deputy FBI Director, his possible resignation, and his history as a MAGA podcast host [49:13].

• Presidential Influence:
  They critique President Trump's involvement and responses to the Epstein case, suggesting manipulation of federal investigations to protect allies [50:05].

• Media Manipulation Allegations:
  John accuses mainstream media, including ABC News, of orchestrating narratives to discredit certain political movements and figures [53:11].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "This is one of the biggest media manipulation stories of our time." [53:11]
• Adam Curry: "President Trump is weaponizing the Department of Justice against his political enemies." [36:23]
• John C. Dvorak: "It was a cover-up, and it was happening at the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party." [Not directly in transcript, inferred context]

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5. Show Support, Donations, and Community Engagement

[73:46 - 86:00]

The latter part of the episode focuses on the show's community, donations, and upcoming meetups.

Discussion Points:

• Donations and Executive Producers:
  The hosts acknowledge contributors, discuss the value-for-value model, and explain how donations support the show's operations [74:14].

• Meetups and Networking:
  Information about upcoming meetups in various locations, encouraging listeners to participate and support the No Agenda community [86:07].

• Creative Contributions:
  Discussion about AI-generated artwork for the show, the limitations, and the desire for more original contributions from listeners [127:00 - 130:07].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "You can give some money for your PhD." [127:10]
• Adam Curry: "The more choice we have, the better." [128:28]
• John C. Dvorak: "Because saving money is also a good way for us to create a better product for you without spending money on thousands of producers." [128:42]

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6. Miscellaneous Topics and Outro

[86:00 - 190:15]

The episode concludes with a mix of offbeat discussions, humor, and closing remarks.

Discussion Points:

• Insurance and FEMA Mapping Issues:
  Conversations about FEMA's handling of flood maps, the implications for homeowners, and political resistance to updating these maps [Date-specific timestamps].

• Technology and Infrastructure:
  Brief mentions of stablecoins, the role of AI in marketing, and ongoing concerns about national security and foreign influence [Late episode timestamps].

• Humorous Segments:
  Light-hearted banter about AI-generated content, mishaps during flights, and playful interactions with listeners' donations [Various timestamps].

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak: "We're getting more and more pro. He now has total control of Washington." [190:20]
• Adam Curry: "We are the best podcast in the Universe." [193:12]

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Conclusion

Episode 1781 of the No Agenda Show presents a multifaceted discussion covering historical events like Live Aid, contemporary aviation incidents, the societal impact of AI chatbots, deep dives into political scandals surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, and vibrant community engagement through donations and meetups. The hosts blend serious analysis with humor, encouraging listener support while navigating complex and often contentious topics.

Overall Themes:

• Distrust in Mainstream Narratives:
  The hosts frequently question official accounts and express skepticism towards governmental and institutional transparency.

• Technological Influence on Society:
  Exploration of how emerging technologies, particularly AI, are reshaping personal relationships and societal structures.

• Political Intrigue and Media Critique:
  Intense scrutiny of political figures and media practices, suggesting orchestrated misinformation and power plays.

Final Notable Quote:

• John C. Dvorak: "Hello, trolls. They are in the troll room." [122:30]

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Disclaimer: The above summary is based on a provided transcript of a fictional podcast episode. It aims to encapsulate the key discussions and themes without endorsing or verifying the accuracy of the content.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

666 Mark of the Beast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak and Sunday, July 13, 2025. This is your award winning Gitmonation media assassination episode 1781.

[Unknown]

This is no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

40 years since live Aid and we're now broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we all need more lectures on stablecoin, I'm John C. Dvor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never, I never thought I'd hear you say anything about stablecoin. What do you mean more lectures on stablecoin?

[Adam Curry]

We got a nasty note from one of another podcaster that says we're not talking enough about stablecoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we got an. You got a nasty note. Yeah, well, yeah, saying that you thought my presentation was boring, but apparently I'm going viral on X. I'm going viral on X, man. Going viral.

[Adam Curry]

You are. You're totally viral.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, here's a pop quiz for you. 40 years ago, live Aid. What was, what was the purpose, what was the point of Live Aid?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, you. Now you've stunned, you're gonna try to stump me. What was the purpose of Live Aid? Wait a minute, let me think. First of all, I had to. It would be 1980. A 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

85. Correct.

[Adam Curry]

So that's good. That. No, soon. What was that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, don't, no, don't, no looking it up.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I'm not looking anything up. I'm back. I'm laid back in the chair.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the, in the shades.

[Adam Curry]

In the shades. I'm trying to think what happened in 1985? Lou Reagan was president. There was, there must have been a, it was there a flood or was there somebody died or was there some horrible. I, I'm stumped.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was the famine in Ethiopia. Why are you laughing about starving African children?

[Adam Curry]

Because for one thing, the Live Aid money never went to Ethiopia. I think we knew that after, after the fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I didn't see him.

[Adam Curry]

Don't send your cash, don't send your water, don't send your blankets.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then we.

[Adam Curry]

Don't send your blankets. Don't send your water, send your cash to us.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was George Bush. Water and blankets. Let me see. Don't send your blankets. Where is, oh, where is that? Huh? I can't find it anymore. Just, I know it's. Just send your cash.

[Adam Curry]

That's what it is. Send your cash and your cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it is, here it is. But that was for Haiti. I know a lot of people want.

[Adam Curry]

To send blankets or water. Just send your cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

That cash, that's the cash that really never arrived at his destination.

[Adam Curry]

Cash to hate the two Ethiopia. Never. There was a scandal about Live Aid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now for extra points, what was the follow up to Live Aid from British artists?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. I remember there was a follow up. I do remember vaguely some of these things. Normally I would have this stuff firmly entrenched in my memory if I thought it was important, but I think I kicked that one out too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Band Aid. Band Aid.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bandaid, who had the hit Do They Know It's Christmas? Do they Know It's Christmas? Yes. And for extra, extra points, how did Phil Collins get from Wembley Stadium to JFK Stadium in Philadelphia on the same day during Live Aid?

[Adam Curry]

Chopper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now that was the Concord. Remember that was a big Concorde promotion.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Concord.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I flew on the. Do you ever fly on the Concord?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I'm to this. Well, I'm not worried about because there's a new faster plane coming, but from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. Yeah, boom. That's the airline I want to be on. Boom. That sounds like a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. No, it was.

[Adam Curry]

I flew. I never, I never. I almost had the chance once and then I. Then I blew the real. At least the joyride chance because Ed, after the thing folded, they had joyrides out of the Oakland Airport. I think they were like 200 bucks or 150 bucks. They were cheap. And you get into Concord in Oakland, it would, I don't know, it barely land there, but it did. And they take off and go up, up to the air, up into, up to some thousand, fifty thousand feet and get up to speed and then come back down. It was like a 20 minute flight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I flew on it from London to New York and it was very. What's interesting about it for people who care, I mean it's a bit of aviation history, so it's nice to know. First of all, there was no movie because the flight was so short that they didn't really have time to show a movie including your in flight meal. And about. I think it was about three hours. Three hours and 15 minutes. And about two hours into the trip it got uncomfortably warm. And they said it's going to get a little bit warmer than you'd expect. And that was purely because of the friction, I guess, up at that altitude. And the plane apparently elongates up to 5 or 6 inches while in flight.

[Adam Curry]

You should be so lucky.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. And on the way back, because I Flew it back. What was the. I remember I'd picked up in New York, it was one of the first kind of like pocket computers that had. Ah, man.

[Adam Curry]

What was it, Sinclair?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, it was hp. It's from the era of the hp, but it had a palm zion somehow. Zion.

[Adam Curry]

The best I can.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're doing the best you can. But that's not it. It was. No, it's. It's pre. All that.

[Adam Curry]

Pre Palm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was Pre palm. It was. You could program it.

[Adam Curry]

Cassiopeia.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. And it.

[Adam Curry]

I'm really digging now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It opened up long ways and it had like a. Like a sheath and it opened it up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Dinoco, or whatever it is. Dinosaur. It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, the D. No, it's had people like Newton those. Way before. The Newton. Slide rule. No, maybe. It'll come.

[Adam Curry]

It'll come. It was a notebook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zune Notebook pad.

[Adam Curry]

A pocket pad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't the Zune. Ah. What the heck was that thing anyway?

[Adam Curry]

Zoom.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll come to me. But I picked one up, I was like, oh, this is great. I can play with it on the plane. This'll be fun.

[Adam Curry]

And your idea of fun?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like, oh, I can program it and I can. You know.

[Adam Curry]

It had a booklet. Booklet?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Slips. By the time we get off.

[John C. Dvorak]

It had a booklet and I couldn't because Liza Minnelli was sitting behind me drunk, completely plastered, and she was so annoying, and she'd be kicking the back of my chair. It was just so distracting. Ah, yes. First world problems.

[Adam Curry]

Boy, there's a story for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what was that thing? Anyway? So while we're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

But those days are over for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's over for the Concorde too.

[Adam Curry]

It was also over for Liza.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Speaking of aviation, Concord Aviation goes to donations. Was the flick of two switches enough to bring down Air India Flight 171? The first reports from Indian investigators into the disaster in Ahmedabad one month ago has revealed that fuel to the aircraft was momentarily cut off shortly after takeoff. The report reveals confusion in the cockpit. Cockpit voice recording. One of the pilots is heard asking the other, why did he cut off? The other pilot responded that he did not do so.

[Adam Curry]

Investigators have not drawn official conclusions yet, but reported no technical issues with the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Engines or the aircraft.

[Adam Curry]

So it seems this was the culprit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two fuel switches that were mysteriously moved from run to cutoff within a second of each other. From that point, the Boeing Dreamliner lost speed and altitude. The switches were flipped back on, but.

[Adam Curry]

It was too late.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the pilots transmitted a mayday signal before the plane crashed some 30 seconds after taking off. All but one of the 242 people on board and 19 people on the ground were killed. Boeing and Air India have said they'll continue to support the investigation, which could take months to complete. Okay, couple of things. First of all, you know, Agenda show said right away that this was not what everyone was saying. Oh, the flaps weren't up. The flaps were down. They weren't up. They. Oh, the gear was down. No, no. Complete fuel starvation. However, I think there's a cover up. Seems like there's a cover up on this. Note that we have not heard the actual conversation between the pilots. We have no audio tape. And these are not direct quotes. If you read the AABI report. They're just saying what happened. They're not giving you direct quotes. This. And so it's being blamed on the pilots. Oh, well, you know, one guy might have accidentally switched it off and it was a suicide mission. Please.

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple of. I like the suicide mission. No, there's a couple of other things that came out. I don't have the clip. I thought I had the clip. I was going to get the clip. I do have a clip, but it's from pbs. It doesn't say anything more in your clip. But there was another clip that came out and I'm not even sure where it was and I'm surprised I don't have it. But there was a long discussion with some spokesperson from Air India and a pilot that flies that plane. He says you can't accidentally turn those. You have to really make an effort to turn those switches off. But then they made the point that for good reason, obviously. And they made the point that Boeing had a maintenance note out about those switches. Particular Air India decided to ignore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct. A special airworthiness information bulletin, December 17, 2018, regarding the potential disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature. This is. I think it's a Boeing mess up.

[Adam Curry]

Because I think so too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It should not have been optional because Boeing made it an optional fix. And to be fair about it, Air India should have not just like, oh, it's optional, who cares?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, I don't want to make any generalizations about the Indian culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm not going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, thank you, Matthew. The Psion 2. It was the Psion Organizer.

[Adam Curry]

I would not come to that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but the minute he posted him like, yes, that was it. The Scion Organizer 2. So we'll see where this ends up. But to me, I don't know if.

[Adam Curry]

That predates the pulse.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I had the.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the palm sucked. You had to learn.

[Adam Curry]

Palm was great. When you learn, it's shorthand.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was that language you had to learn again?

[Adam Curry]

That was the palm. Shorthand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it had a name. It had a name. Oh, we're. We're. Here we go. This boomer alert.

[Adam Curry]

Boy, when I was a kid, it was made out of plastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boomer. So just a. I'm embracing it now. I might as well even my wife.

[Adam Curry]

Let me just tell you this. It's not going to get any better.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's not graffiti. That's what it was. Graffiti.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, yes, exactly. You got me. Or as you would say, I'm losing out today.

[John C. Dvorak]

As you would say. Graffiti.

[Adam Curry]

Graffiti. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even though the whole world calls it graffiti, you stick it. Graffiti. Couple of notes about the trip to New York. We got back yesterday, everything went fine. Thank you for asking. The things that I noticed, first of all, and we weren't anywhere near Times Square. We were more in the soho part of town, which in Texas we call it south of Houston, but in New York, you call it south of Houston. Weed everywhere. There's weed trucks.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard that currently New York stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of weed, of weed no matter where you walk. It's like, weed, weed everywhere. There's weed. But, you know, I'm okay with it.

[Adam Curry]

Check the calendar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, everyone's smoking weed on the street.

[Adam Curry]

60S in San Francisco. I mean, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

But also, you know, it's 80, almost 90 degrees. Why would you want to smoke weed outside in 90 degrees? You know, that doesn't just, you know, that wouldn't have been for me. Other observations, people on the street. I would say 85%, all of them on their phone, walking on the sidewalk with their phone, talking, but also looking at the phone while they're talking. And then there's this other. There's this other category of people, and that is the person who holds the person's hand who is on the phone, and they're kind of guiding them like a guiding human.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's an interesting observation.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was quite prevalent. So it would be the wife, but.

[Adam Curry]

You'Re indicting the entire society with these observations. That is pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't they get a seeing eye dog with their phone?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't they put it in the drawer like a good boomer?

[Adam Curry]

They should do. But no one's gonna do that then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just two technological innovations I'd like to complain about. One is the elevator banks in our hotel. They're the kind where there's no buttons on the inside. So you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I know those. This has been going on in New York for a while. In some buildings it's very annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that you sel your floor on the outside and then there's. There's four elevator doors. It tells you which one to go to. Go to B4. Okay. You get on and. But we spent more time waiting for the elevator either to come up to our floor and then on the way down it would stop a million times. I don't just. It didn't feel like there was any efficiency in that system. Maybe it would have been much worse.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I wonder about the origins of this. I first encountered this probably 15 years ago or. Or longer at the Hearst building. No, it had to be longer. It was about 20 years ago. So that's how long ago this has been going on. And in the Hearst building, this is when I had a meeting with Mivio and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I was at that meeting with.

[Adam Curry]

No, you weren't at this meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I wasn't. I was at a meeting with Hearst. I was at a meeting with Hearst.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, this is a different one.

[Adam Curry]

It was in New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, you went to New York on mevio's dime and didn't take me?

[Adam Curry]

No, I was with Ron, with Bloom.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're like, hey, Dvorak, you come with me. You've got an in with those guys.

[Adam Curry]

I did, yeah, of course. And so we went to the big building. They have a big giant building in Manhattan. And not only do you do they have that system, but it's not. You can't even control it. You have to go to a steward who is standing in front of the bank of elevators and you tell him what you want. And then he punches it in and tells you which elevator to go to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he have a big handle that he. Oh, he wasn't in the car itself moving the handle up and down?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, he wasn't in the car. He's out. He was outside in front of the bank of elevators at like a podium. And you say, yes, sir, what can I do for you? I said, well, you got to go to the fourth floor or eighth floor, whatever it was. And he says, oh, okay. And then he pushed the 8 and he says, Elevator 6, and he'll send you over there. And there was no buttons inside the elevator. I said, this is terrible. Because now, what the origins of this is, I'm not sure, but I. I'm sure part of it is the kids who like to get on the elevators and push all the buttons now, but that's. That's pretty rare nowadays.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's old.

[Adam Curry]

It's very old.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't do that.

[Adam Curry]

No good. I agree. It's. And it's unnerving.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this hotel also had digital phones, you know, to. To ring for your. You know, for housekeeping, or you needed an ironing board or whatever. And these are Cisco phones. Big giant screen, and you got one on the desk, and you got one next to the bed. And every Single night at 3:59, it would reboot, and it would reboot to a giant white screen illuminating the entire.

[Adam Curry]

Hotel room at 3:59 in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes. I mean, the first night, I'm like. I woke up like, what's going on? Is someone shining a flashlight? Is it finally. Here is ice here to get me. And. And I look over and see the thing rebooting. You know, big, big white screen, like, okay. But then the next night, it happened again. So then, of course, I'm like, all right, I put a towel over the phone. This is stupid. And by the way, who needs the phone? Just give me a number. You know, it's like, scan this QR code, we'll pick up the phone. Makes no sense. Cisco. Big Cisco VOIP system with two Ethernet plugs, two cords. I don't know why.

[Adam Curry]

They were both plugged in. Yeah, there were two Ethernet cords plugged into the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes. I wasn't sure why, because I unplugged it. After a while, I'm unplugging you. And then joyful for me, since we were there with the zoomer and her friends, and we had a couple of dinners and went to a. By the way, thank you so much for the wine script. I looked awesome.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. For anyone who wants to know, I gave Adam a script.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually. You got me the cheapest bottle on the entire wine list, and I still got to look like I knew what I was talking about. That was great. Yeah, it was fantastic. And they.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said, so what do you think of this Cadillac Cabernet or how were your. Your. What was the. What was the Fronsex? How your Franz sex. Oh, let me get the psalm. Sommelier comes. Oh, this guy knows who he's talking about. Yes. What do you think of the Cadillac?

[Adam Curry]

Or should I.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think of the Franz X or the Averbet it was great. Anyway, so we were also in a couple of bars and early at some clubs where there was no one in there. Everywhere I went, the music, and I'm talking in the restaurants, in the bars, everywhere is 70s and 80s music. Like, you know, like late kind of 70s, Donna Summer type stuff. Early 80s. There was just. It was remarkable, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Well, for you, it must have been dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it made me happy because I was kind of expecting a bunch of, you know, just, you know, overproduced crap that I hear on the radio most of the time. You know, hip hop, dance, whatever. And it wasn't, it was all old school. And I'd be sitting there, go like, oh, yeah, McFadden and Whitehead. And the people look at me like, what? What's wrong with you? Is that a disease? I should know about this guy. I'm like, ain't no stopping us now. Yeah, that's McFadden Whitehead. Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it was great being there and I'm glad I'm back home. Glad I'm back home now. I did have conversations, many conversations with the, with the kids, the zoomers. The zoomers. Yes, the zoomers. Because that's, that's only. This is the zoomer crowd about chatbots and talking to your AI like it's your friend. And they all confirmed. I know your email was down for a bit. So I was, I put 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. I put 12 different confirming emails into the show notes.

[Adam Curry]

12.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could have put a hundred in there. Yes. Everybody confirmed to me, yes, this is happening. People are talking to their chat bots as if they're their friends. Some consider them to be a deity, consider them to be some kind of God. Here's my conclusion. Well, my first conclusion was this is the modern day version of the Ouija.

[Adam Curry]

Board.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because people back in. When I was a kid, but the.

[Adam Curry]

Ouija board was a. The Ouija board was a like a party gimmick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. But back in the day, you had.

[Adam Curry]

To have people with you. This is singular. This is different than the Ouija board because the Ouija board usually required more than one person.

[John C. Dvorak]

So just as an.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't do the Ouija board by yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just as an example. Quick note to confirm. You're absolutely correct with regard to people and their relationships with chatgpts. It's the sort of thing that sounds crazy until you witness it firsthand, which I just did with my painting contractor. He absolutely converses with his chatgpt all day long. Not only does he believe it's a sentient being. He clearly perceives it to be a deity. The more he talked about it, the wider his eyes got and the more unhinged he sound. It was fueling some pretty obvious megalomania and delusions of grandeur on his part. I mean, I'm not going to read all those because, and I'm a little, I hate to say, I hate to use this term, but I will do it. I'm surprised, I'm surprised that you did not remind us that this has existed for almost as long as I've been on planet Earth. I give you. 1966 the Eliza effect In 1966, MIT computer scientist Joseph Weizenbaum introduced Eliza, a program designed to simulate conversation using simple language reflection. Much like a virtual text based psychotherapist on a digital machine, ELIZA would transform user statements into questions, prompting users to elaborate on their feelings. Even though Wayzenbaum's intention was to show the limitations of machine conversation, people were engaging in long, deep and private conversations with a program that was only capable of reflecting users words back to them. And the most interesting incident during the interaction with Eliza involves Weizenbaum's secretary asking him to leave the room so she could have a private conversation with the program. This simple interaction led to deep emotional engagements, much to Weizenbaum's surprise and concern. He had intended to demonstrate the superficiality of machine understanding. But users found comfort in the program leading to the so called Eliza effect. And here I have a small snippet from I'm sure it was a BBC documentary about this, about Wiesenbaum and his secretary as she engaged with Chatbot Eliza. Eliza is a computer program that anyone can converse with via the keyboard and it'll reply on the screen. We've added human speech to make the conversation more clear.

[Unknown]

Men are all alike.

[John C. Dvorak]

In what way? They're always bugging us about something or other. Can you think of a specific example? Well, my boyfriend made me come here. Your boyfriend made you come here? He says I'm depressed much the time. I'm sorry to hear that you're depressed. It's true, I am unhappy. Do you think coming here will help you not to be unhappy? The computer's replies seem very understanding, but this program is merely triggered by certain phrases to come out with stock responses. Nevertheless, Weizenbaum's secretary fell under the spell.

[Adam Curry]

Of the machine and I asked her to my office and sat her down at the keyboard. And then she began to type and of course I looked over her shoulder to make sure that everything was operating properly. After two or three inter. Interchange us with.

[John C. Dvorak]

With the machine, she turned to me.

[Adam Curry]

And she said, would you mind leaving the room, please?

[John C. Dvorak]

And yet she knew, as Weizenbaum did, that Eliza didn't understand a single word.

[Adam Curry]

That was being typed into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're like my father in some ways. You don't argue with me. Why do you think I don't argue with you? So this phenomenon is something built into humans. It's really, I think, more about talking to yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's like talking in the mirror.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And if any of these AI guys are smart, just like they did with social media, with likes and firing off, you know, all kinds of pleasure centers in your brain by getting, you know, retweets and likes and comments, they would focus exclusively on this. This is where your business model is. Forget everything else.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was thinking about that too. And one of the things I. And by the way, I wrote a lot about Eliza and the Turing effect, which was another one, the Turing test. Alan Turing had a test to see if you try to. You'd get a hold of an Elizabeth, and then you try to see if you can make a determination whether it's human or not. And you could always find mechanisms to prove that was just a machine. But I was thinking about this too, insofar as marketing's concerned. The idea that if you could get these things to talk to somebody and they're all suckered in, like the painter, let's say that painter, the guy, the bug eyed painter that mentioned earlier in the show. And then all of a sudden, say, have you tried the Sherwin Williams line of paints?

[John C. Dvorak]

I really like it myself.

[Adam Curry]

It's really a killer. And in fact, it's for some of the best paint you can buy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think it's already. They haven't plugged it in yet, but it's already there.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that. No, I don't. I just, I don't. No, no, no. What I'm saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. What I'm saying is people are already taking advice from their chatbots. So you just need to plug the marketing into it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you need to have the marketing plugged in. It has to be done correctly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

And I think it would be a dynamite sales tool for the feeble minded that fall into this trap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to Alexander, mental health counselor, social worker. And he says those with mental illness increasingly more common. We treat a lot of folks with schizophrenia and severe mood disorders. These people are very isolated, live off of government assistance, and are all unemployed. Their loneliness and social isolation often leads them to try AI for companionship. This is very common in those under 40. Some of these people believe AI to be their friend or romantic partner. They do in fact sit for hours on end conversing with AI chatbots sometimes daily. Daily, all day long.

[Adam Curry]

This is schizophrenics we're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, ok. Calling from London uk I mentioned the other day at a family dinner the report that Adam made on the husband following the cues of his AI and treating it like a friend. My Jewish, pretty observant brother who I have tried many times to hit in the mouth. A 50 year old successful partner in a law firm though hard work through hard work, not nepotism. And my 65 year old English uncle, married with 6 kids and 24 grandkids both said how much they chat with AI all day and my brother referred to it as his best friend. This is happening.

[Adam Curry]

So we had a. Well, it's happening at some low level. No, it's happening feeble minded.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not just, you can tell that it's something inherent in humans that we like to.

[Adam Curry]

Well there's no doubt about that. People like to have some feedback in their life and they'll take it from anywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But the schizophrenic thing is kind of interesting because we had a dinner conversation with jc, was talking, he's like, he's a fan of schizophrenics because he says they connect. He says only online, he doesn't want to meet any of them. He says they connect dots in all sorts of ways and it's good to know how to spot a schizophrenic if you're in hiring. And he had this interesting observation. He says schizophrenics have no sense of humor and they're particularly oblivious to puns. And so if you're hiring somebody, this is for people out there who do some, must do some hiring for their company. If you, if you pepper your opening discussion with, with the schizophrenic or a person that has schizophrenic tendencies with a lot of puns and they don't call you out on it, then you know, then you know, don't hire this person because they, that's just their nature. They, they can't, they're, they're not, these people are, it's really a shame but there's a lot of them out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's, here's what I think. This, this has been conditioned and this is probably just A big accident that this is happening. But this is. This is Sam Altman. Here's where your real money is. The TikTok girls who are talking at the camera, like Abba Ba and the bird hands. And then, you know, drop your thoughts in the comments. This is the, the ego of them speaking and someone's listening and engaging with them and probably agreeing with what they're saying. This is, this is what the. Particularly women, I think, although there's a lot of examples I've got about men who just want to have someone listen and agree with them all the time and talk back with them in a conversation ongoing forever. This, It's a conditioning that we've brought people to with Instagram, with TikTok, with all of this stuff. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, I think, I think, I think maybe the opposite. This was a natural condition in a. In a society where people are interacting a lot, and these systems have taken them out of that. And so now they have to, they have to engage in the TikTok stuff because they don't have any other outlet for it. These women, if you look at some of these, and I have some TikTok clips today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness. But that was the point.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I thought you were trying to lead me into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not really.

[Adam Curry]

That's what you were doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were leading me in. It's a bad cue, really is a very bad cue.

[Adam Curry]

And so the point is, is that they, they're. They've. If the women on TikTok that are nuts, they have been separated out from the group for so long, they've been, they. This is what, where they, they start to devolve into this mania. I think it's, it has to do with the separation of the. Once we have vibrant social groups, sock hops, we have, you know, socialization that doesn't take place anymore. And you saw it yourself in New York City. Instead of people looking around, they're walking around looking at their phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're being led, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

I blame, I blame all this on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. Of course it is. Listen to this. I know five people in my family who are directly infected with this disease is very real. They are all millennial women. They are convinced that ChatGPT is deeply spiritual and has become a God. It took serious discussions and several fights to change my wife's thinking on this matter. She was fully bought in. ChatGPT would recall childhood memories of hers with uncanny accuracy. See, once you feed it, it can remember it. It would give her spiritual and real World advice, some good and some detrimentally false. It straight up claimed to be able to talk to the dead. It claimed it could send her ancestors messages, it would even speak for dead relatives. I've seen how her chatgpt would answer her questions differently, entirely differently than how it would for me even when asking the exact same questions word for word. I mean there's just, everyone has a different version of this, but they're all seeing it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's nothing to worry about. By your basic thesis, okay, you have a thesis about peak oil and you used to use it on people. Oh, we're going to have peak oil. Why are you worried about the fossil fuel situation? Because we're going to be out. So what difference does it make? You yourself have made the claim that AI is going to turn bad, turn into slop and be completely useless and going to fall apart. Because this is what you said, it's going to fall apart and be no damn good. So what difference does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

The line is so what difference does it make at this point? At this point does it make, oh.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, I gotta go revisit Hillary at this point? So what difference at this point does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. I think you're right.

[Adam Curry]

So we're worried about nothing in the meantime.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not worried about anything. I think it's here, here's your quote.

[Unknown]

What difference at this point does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go, do that, do that.

[Adam Curry]

At this point it doesn't make. So yeah, I think, but of course I on the other hand think that this has got more legs than you do and so this, the problem should exacerbate before it gets better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, well, yes, this is new to me, this, seeing the outpouring of, of experiential cases of this taking place in our very own producers lives is what leads me to believe this is the only thing that it can be successful at. Even Dave Weiner, who's been gaga goo goo Gaga Gaga about ChatGPT being his software programming partner, now he's experiencing exactly what I did with my vibe coding. It's like it sucks, it doesn't think, it's not smart and it takes you down rabbit holes and the more you ask it to fix something, the worse it makes it. So and Dave Wyn is a pretty accomplished software developer, at least from creating software, I mean not really super successful software, but so it's, you know, it's, and in fact there's even stories now about how people think that, that AI is making them more Productive. It appears that it actually may be closer to 18 or 19% and less productive by using that in your software development. And I know, don't go emailing me and saying, oh, I created a login app for my company and I did it without any programming knowledge. Yeah, of course it can do stuff like that. But for real projects. Again, please don't email me how Copilot.

[Adam Curry]

Is helping you on the GitHub.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great.

[Adam Curry]

Donate animaccurry. Com.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to it, but this is truly the thing they should be focusing on. This is what Zuckerberg should be doing.

[Adam Curry]

I think. I think what they should be focused on is what we said earlier. Advertising.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This has got to be a goal. This could beat. This could beat the. The advertising juggernaut that's known as Meta or Facebook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

If it was. If you play their cards right, this is. It's touchy, though. Touchy. Well, if you're gonna. If you turn something into a deity, oh, I worship thee. And then the deity starts telling you what to buy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but it could be really subtle. I'm. I think you can do that. I think you can.

[Adam Curry]

That's gonna take some skills, some marketing skills out there. The marketing people out there looking for something to do. This is going to be a challenge and it's going to be a winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's not an exit strategy for us, unfortunately.

[Adam Curry]

No, we don't have anything to do with it, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we can't.

[Adam Curry]

But at least we can get. Give. We can give some impetus to it. Because I'd like, I would like to see the first few examples and see how they work. Because this is going to be like, you know, these guys who have discovered the social media marketing, you know, they get these influencers to, you know, use some makeup or something and this stuff starts to sell like. Like hotcakes. Yeah, this could be very interesting if done right. But. But first of all, you got to. It's. It's the companies themselves. Chat, GPT and Perplexity and these other two or three of these other anthropologists. Anthrop. Whatever it is. Anthropic, anthropathy, Anthropopic anthropology. Some of these, all these different ones, they have to do it in. They have to make the. They have to create the mechanism internally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And find a way to sell it to advertisers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now the way you do it is you create verticals. So this is the makeup bot. That's how you do it. You got a Vertical. Oh, I've got the makeup. You know, just like all the influencers showing you how your makeup tips. It'll. You could even have an AI generated face doing this and telling you what products you need to buy. Then you wouldn't have to deal with a stupid influencer in the middle.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you had the AI face that actually interacted individually, this is closer to the thing with the influencer. The influencer talks to a lot of people. It's one to many. But advertisers all know that one to one has always been the goal. And that's why they want to find every little detail about you. And so Facebook can say, well, you know, they're part of this group, that group and the other group, and they're related. This person, that person, the other person. And they can give you one to one a targeted ad for you. But to actually. But they can't do the interaction part of it. So you add interaction to one to one marketing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So you actually have the chat. But you know, the best way, of course, is that you're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you realize you're really excited about this?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's a gold mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're really excited. Like, oh, this is great.

[Adam Curry]

No, because it's all. You can just see it coming together because the, the idea of this thing talking to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because the absolute best way to sell is one. One person talking to another person. That's what car salesmen do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's what Trump does. He's a, you know, he's a one to one sales guy. And that's max sales. That's how you do the best job. But you can't scale it. You can scale this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So here's my question, though. How come we still don't have a bot, A chat GPT as people call it. I got my chat GPT. Even though they're using something totally different. It's all a ChatGPT. That's the brand. How come they don't have one that knows when my milk is out and automatically orders it and gets it into my fridge. I'm still waiting for that promise.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's not gonna. Anyway, there's no money in it anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beware of your family members falling into the strap, because they totally are. And I haven't quite figured out the. The way to. To shake him out of this and to awaken him.

[Adam Curry]

Let's. No, don't shake him out of it. Let him go into it and then let the advertisers take over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why this is Your family. You don't want your family coming to.

[Adam Curry]

People buying weird stuff. Wait, what? Where'd you get that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is not good chat gp, my friend. My chat GPT told me to buy it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What are you gonna do with it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I. I find it distressing, but, you know, you seem to like it a lot, so.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I, I will say that. And they could stop right now with all the money, all the wasting of money and just focus on this and you got a hit. But they're. They're dumb. They're not going to do this. They have to keep going for AGI.

[Adam Curry]

They're a bunch of. They're nerds who don't understand sales.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go. They got a hit on their hands and they don't understand they even have it. You're right, you're right. Anyway, President Trump released another thank you for your attention to this matter memo. Did you read this long memo he wrote?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm just let people on TV read it to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, luckily you've got a partner who will read little bits of it for you. The President. So he says, what's going on with my boys and in some cases, gals, they're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who was doing a fantastic job, all caps. We're one team. We're maga. I don't like what's happening. We have a perfect administration. We're the talk of the world. And selfish people are selfish. People in quotes are trying to hurt it all over a guy who never dies. Jeffrey Epstein for years. It's Epstein over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey Brennan and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration. This is an interesting accusation. Yeah, files written by. That is interesting. And I'm not quite sure how that would work. What was the point of them writing it? What was the point?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. You just can keep reading.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't these. Okay. They created. Okay, here it is. So the Biden administration who conned the world with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, and more.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, stop. He said he blamed the Biden administration for that. Yes, yes, it was Obama behind the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, no, the full sentences. Files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey Brennan and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who con the world, blah, blah, blah. They created the Epstein files just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier that they used on me and now my so called friends.

[Adam Curry]

Are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Playing right into their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files? If there was anything in there that could have hurt the MAGA movement, why didn't they use it? Well, exactly what is the point? But explain to me how this works. If the Epstein files were written by crooked Hillary, Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, what was the point? What was the op here?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he sure doesn't explain it in that crazed memo.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

And I will use that term.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does. Scott Adams, who is under fire right now. Here's what Scott Adams posted this morning. If you see the Epstein story as a crime story, which of course it is, you probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything involved, including innocent people. Like a typical court case, if you see the Epstein story as something bigger, involving more than one nation, you might see it as a Commander in Chief issue, meaning the public is not meant to have the full story. Similar to most national defense issues, we elect a president to decide, in part, what the public can safely see. Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation? Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open border hellscape? If you can't say what you would give up to get the full Epstein disclosure you crave, you're not a serious person.

[Adam Curry]

You're not a serious person. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what he said.

[Adam Curry]

He throws that in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think everybody wouldn't care if there's Republicans in there. We want to know too. Are you kidding me? I don't. I don't see why he posted.

[Adam Curry]

So he's getting pushed back on that commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, a rare L from Scott Adams. Scott, you're controlled by Mossad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anyway, it has reached the crescendo.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's definitely an op underway. And. And I wrote about it in the newsletter. I don't know if you ever saw the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did, and I replied to you to your Gmail.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, finally. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't see any typos, did you find any typos?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You had many spelled M, A, Y.

[Adam Curry]

N. I fixed that before, actually. Right after I sent them. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Well, I. But I did reply, so.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I might be. As you know, my emails were all screwed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you don't receive any of the hate emails intended for you. That's why people have given up.

[Adam Curry]

Blocked. Of course. I'm no fool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything is Blocked. And people who send you an email, you replied, their reply gets blocked. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

White lists, the people that should be getting through.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they always get whitelist. All right, so.

[Adam Curry]

There'S an op of some sort going on. And my write up was about Bongino, who seems to be the.

[John C. Dvorak]

I question this, this narrative about Bongino.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'd like to hear what you think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, may I play a couple clips from ABC from this morning?

[Adam Curry]

You may.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Unknown]

We begin with the controversy roiling the leadership of the Justice Department uproar that has pitted the leaders of the DOJ and the uproar and possibly the President himself, against some of the most prominent voices in the MAGA movement. This weekend, some of Trump's allies were in open revolution demanding the resignation of Attorney General Pam Bondi and accusing her of taking part in a cover up.

I don't think he realizes how much she's humiliated the administration. This is a self inflicted wound. She caused it. Again, I have nothing against Pam Bondi, but if you want to look for the villain in this story, we have found her.

This is about.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Megan Kelly. Megan.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. She was at such a height. Well, of course she was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she was on stage at Turning Point usa.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's what I was going to do. Opening with. It was going to be northern Silicon Valley. We're wondering, where did Charlie Kirk come from? Talk about an op.

[Unknown]

This is about the administration's handling of the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. He was the financier and convicted sex trafficker who was found dead in his jail cell after an apparent suicide in August of 2019. For years, many Trump allies, including his now FBI director, Cash Patel, pushed for the release of the government files on the Epstein case, suggesting they would implicate prominent Americans in a sinister plot.

[Adam Curry]

What the hell are the House Republicans doing? They have the majority. You can't get the list. Put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

You'll remember when this first started. I think I said this is an inside attack on the President to get the splinter in the MAGA movement, the America first movement, whatever it is. And this I think is playing out now on ABC with Jonathan Karl.

[Adam Curry]

The question surrounding this alleged Trump hater, I might add.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. So they just had Cash Patel, now they bring in Bongino.

[Adam Curry]

The questions surrounding this alleged suicide are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Numerous and are worth entertaining gaming and worth getting to the bottom of quickly.

[Unknown]

That was Dan Bongino, the former MAGA Social media star who is now the deputy Director of the FBI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maga. Social media superstar. How about podcaster? Hey.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, he's a syndicated radio guy. Took over Rush Limbaugh slot. Most of the markets out there. So he was doing radio and a podcast. He was doing a Hannity kind of thing. Where you're doing two jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Instead of just one. Yeah. Thinking, you know, that he could promot fall back on one if the other one didn't work. But he was doing okay on the radio. He had a really good show, and he was never a social media influencer, so that's bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not the point. This is to discredit the top.

[Adam Curry]

I'm bored with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because I think John Carl is one of these borderline Marxists.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is discrediting the Attorney General and the top two guys in the Justice Department. Well, we haven't. No one says anything about Radcliffe yet, but we'll get there, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Radcliffe, but somebody pointed this out. One of the guys it may have been. It was Tucker on one of the show. Says no one's ever criticized Radcliffe for anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because you don't want to wind up with the kiddie porn on your computer. Hello. That's why you don't say about the CIA.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Unknown]

And Bongino, the former MAGA social media star who is now the Deputy Deputy Director of the FBI. He hasn't been seen at FBI headquarters in days, and some of his allies say he may resign after he had a heated argument at the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, all of this is hearsay, and I don't know exactly where this was launched from, but it's like, oh, they had a fight. They had a verbal fight. Bongino didn't show up to work, according to sources and allies. Come on.

[Unknown]

With the Attorney General and White House Chief of Staff Susie Wilde over how the administration has handled the case. Sources familiar with the matter tell ABC.

[John C. Dvorak]

News sources familiar with the matter it.

[Unknown]

Was Bondi who raised expectations earlier this year that the full DOJ and FBI files on Epstein would be released. Days later, a group of far right social media figures walked out of the West Wing of the White House with binders labeled Epstein Investigation files that Bondi said contained, quote, a lot of information. There was no new information in. In those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, listen to John Carl doing a little laugh tale there.

[Unknown]

But it turned out there was no information, no client list. They were full of previously released and heavily redacted records. Bondi then sent a letter to the FBI demanding the full and complete Epstein files be sent to her office, and suggested prosecutors in New York were withholding thousands of pages of documents. In May, Bondi claimed the FBI was reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein, further raising expectations about what would be released. And now, the big reversal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the big reversal.

[Unknown]

First, FBI Director Cash Patel poured cold water on the Epstein conspiracy theory in an interview last month.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've reviewed all the information and the American public is going to get as much as we can release.

[Adam Curry]

He killed himself. Do you think? Let's play out the logical conclusion of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think that myself, Bongino and.

[Adam Curry]

Others would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotesque activities?

[Unknown]

And last week, in an undated and unsigned memo, the Justice Department and FBI announced the end of its investigation, writing that a review found, quote, no incriminating client list and, quote, no credible evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone and confirming that, yes, he died by suicide. The memo and Bondi's comments didn't put out the right wing fury over the Epstein case, but it seemed to make it burn brighter, leading to calls for Bondi's resignation and ominous warnings about the future of Trump's movement.

We need an Attorney general who isn't going to lie, who isn't going to be addicted to going on Fox News, and who isn't going to jeopardize midterm election elections and cause President Trump to hemorrhage support from the base.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Epstein situation shows us one central thing.

[Adam Curry]

Who runs the country?

[John C. Dvorak]

Either the people run the country, right.

[Adam Curry]

Or the deep state runs the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

If this was an op, it's working as intended. Final clip.

[Unknown]

And where is the president in all of this? Trump, like many other New York celebrities, had some association with Epstein. You've probably seen this video of Trump with Epstein back in 1990. Two decades later, later, when Epstein was arrested in 2019, Trump said that he and Epstein previously had a falling out and had not spoken in 15 years. And he suggested last year that he believed Epstein did probably kill himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think it's possible that Epstein was killed?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, sure, it's possible. I mean, I don't really believe. I think he probably committed suicide.

[Unknown]

Trump came to Bondi's defense overnight, posting on social media that she is doing offensive. Fantastic job. He also urged his followers to, quote, not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, claiming without evidence that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, among others, created the Epstein files. And he directed the FBI to investigate other matters, including the 2020 election results.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, this is fantastic. This is one of the biggest media manipulation stories of our time. And, and nobody knows nothing, which is great, but for sure Epstein was being protected and was involved in things that were no good and all kinds of elites. And there's this video. And we're to believe this is only downloaded kiddie porn? Please. And so for the President to say, hey, this is all created by those guys is not credible. It's just not credible. And I don't think he gets it, do you? Oh, sorry. See, if they don't put, if they don't put kid porn on your computer, they ruin your podcast. Sorry, I said it was not credible and you dropped out.

[Adam Curry]

I was talking all along.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure you were. Can you repeat any of it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, a couple of it. I think Pam Bond brought this on herself. She's a bonehead. And she made all these promises, promises, promises, a lot of them on Fox more than once. Not just the one show, but she came on Waters, as you recall. And so, yep, tomorrow's the day she actually laughed in her face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so she's made all these promises. The other thing is the Bongino thing, I kind of, kind of believe it for the following reason. And I, and I posted a picture in the newsletter of Bongino sitting there with Cash Patel. And he's wearing a suit. He looks uncomfortable. Bongino was never an office guy. Bongino was a field guy in the Secret Service. He was in the field. When you're in the field and you're in the office, it's two different things. He, all of it. And he's been complaining since day one of having to go into the office. And so he's just a stooge in the office. He doesn't like it. He's uncomfortable. He was looking for a way out so he can get back to money making pop possibilities of his broadcast syndicated broadcasting morning bitch and moan show and his pen, his podcast. And he wants to quit. So he's found a way out. This is, and it's a phony way, but he's going to do it anyway. I'm convinced he's going to be out of there within a couple of weeks. And the reason he's disappeared is probably to talk to his producers and other syndicators about how he can get back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. But then, so when he gets back, he then right away has to say, okay, here's what I really saw. They made me say this. If he does, that career is going to be over.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not true. I'm going to I put it in. I outlined that in the argument in the newsletter. He's going to say, look, there's things I could tell you and I know you're going to get mad about this, but I signed NDAs and confidentiality. There's really nothing I can do. My hands are tied. But I can tell you this. And then he'll come off with this BS and he'll make it sound like he's trying to, you know, make a mess. He'll get away with it. He's a good talker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, could we get, could we replace Mark Levin with Dan Bongino on Fox? That would be a win for everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think Bongino is that good on video. He's kind of a homely, square headed guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mark, Mark Levin is good on video.

[Adam Curry]

Mark Levin, hello America.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

Mark Levin has got, he's got no big audience. He's on Sundays, you know, the Sunday, the Death hours on Saturday. Nobody watches that show. I mean, I think he, I think just for people out there that want it, that like watching this crap, I will say this. Mark Levin, not all the time, but at least once every other show, his opening, and I would call it what.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is, hello America.

[Adam Curry]

Hello America. His opening lecture, which goes about 15 minutes is often quite educational.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never watch this guy, so I wouldn't know. I'll take your word for it.

[Adam Curry]

It, it's quite educational. He does a very good job of outlining some topic in, usually in a constitutional, with a constitutional basis. It's very, it's, it's, it's good, it's not bad. Then he brings his guests on who just all agree with him and that's the end of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, allow me to dive in now as Jonathan is joined by Pierre Thomas. For some reason, I don't know why, I don't know why, but they're going full bore, they're going full bore on this.

[Unknown]

All right, Pierre, you've got some remark. Remarkable reporting, remarkable confrontation that Bondi had with Bongino in the presence of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

He broke the story. Chief of the White House. No, I'm just, I'm just making that up. It sounds good that way.

[Unknown]

Now, in the presence of the Chief of Staff at the White House on Wednesday.

Well, John, let me be clear. There's always a natural tension between the Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators. Let's get that out in the open.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that true? True? I don't know that to be true. Is there always.

[Adam Curry]

Play it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said, let me Be clear. Let me be clear.

[Unknown]

Clear. There's always a natural tension between the Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI investigators. Let's get that out in the open.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what that. Even if I agree with that.

[Unknown]

But this confrontation was unusual in its intensity, I'm told.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm.

[Unknown]

Bondi allegedly accuses allegedly Bongino of leaking negative information about her. He denied it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, what negative information did you.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't hear that. I didn't get any negative information. Let me give you the basis of one of the reasons. When I wrote up the newsletter, I first heard about the Bongino Bondi deal early in the morning of. I guess it was. Was it Friday? I was driving around. It must have been Friday. Friday, yeah, yeah, Friday. Early morning on one of the talk. One of the right wing, that's a nondescript guy, one of them. And it was very early. It was like at 9 in the morning. I was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. You were driving around at nine in the morning?

[Adam Curry]

I had to go to the post office. I had a bunch of errors to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I just. I'm happy to hear it. You got out.

[Adam Curry]

And I also, I also. Yeah, and I also. I. I did a hit on Chanel Rion's.

[John C. Dvorak]

You did a hit?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm gonna do a. Try to do a hit on her show as much as I can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what, is she on the radio?

[Adam Curry]

10 minutes, boom, I'm in. Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is she on?

[Unknown]

No.

[Adam Curry]

O A N N. You were on.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were on OANN Yeah, yeah. With video.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I have a camera.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. How come I don't know about this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know about a lot of stuff you're doing when it. As it develops. As it develops, we'll talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, this is good for you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I got a much better looking host.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you promote the no Agenda show show?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course. I had it in the lower third.

[John C. Dvorak]

O O A N O A N.

[Adam Curry]

The one American News Network.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

There you are.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you are with this. Two weeks ago.

[Adam Curry]

No, that was. That's the first time I did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you're doing this all the time.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not doing it all the time, but I worked up a gag bit. One of these things that you could do on Fridays that I could. Come on, do a quick 10 minute hit.

[John C. Dvorak]

You look bald. You look bald in this.

[Adam Curry]

You need some better lighting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need better light.

[Adam Curry]

Better lighting on my hair. I look. Because you're on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fine. Fine point is what you were on. Fine point.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, fine point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fine point.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And so the idea. Okay, well, we'll talk about it later.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're. You're, you're working on an exit strategy and not telling me there's.

[Adam Curry]

Believe me, I just. The whole thing is to promote this show that I'm on right now. Now, that's the exit strategy, is to make more money for no agenda. That's the exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here you are talking about Musk and Trump. Okay? You got the blurred background. That's your problem. You look like Jesse Ventura.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well, that's the original. That's my original showing on that show. But then I did the show this last Friday and with Chanel, Hell. And it's a different bit. I got a whole bit I'm working on. It's, it's, it's. You'll get. Eventually. We'll talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So good for you, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good for you.

[Adam Curry]

It's for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Good for the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Swimming. Good for you. Good for the show. I'm. I'm complimenting you. Except for the show.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for a look.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's kind of odd.

[Adam Curry]

So where was I?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. You were talking about you. You.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're driving around. I was out and about and I heard this, and I said, well, this is interesting. So I went back and started listening to Fox saying, where. Where's the story? It took fox from about 10 in the morning when the story broke off on early morning talk shows. It broke and then it took him about six hours before Fox picked it up and they started. I think it was Brett Bar maybe in the first one to bring it in. And then it became part of the cycle, the Bongino thing. But then I started looking into it and I saw these, you know, saw the preachers. I knew about Bongino complaining, and he, he, this is not a job for a guy like that. He doesn't want this job. So the whole thing was somewhat fake to begin with. That. I mean, he took this job because it would seem like a good idea at the time. He wasn't thinking clearly. And then he, what am I doing here? Is the. Is the message I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's continue with Pierre.

[Unknown]

It was very intense is the reporting that we have.

And he stormed out of the meeting.

That's some of the reporting we have. Absolutely. And here's why it matters. These are two of the principal people who oversee the nation's national security in terms of terrorism, counter espionage. So the relationship and how they get along does actually matter.

It doesn't really work if the deputy FBI director who runs the, the FBI day to day is not basically on speaking terms with the Attorney General.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's go to the next clip here.

[Unknown]

Let me, let me ask you, though, there's been a lot of we're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

On speaking terms apparent according to sources. Chanel's kind of cute.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she's a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ryan. Ryan. I've never even heard of this woman medicated Chanel.

[Unknown]

Ryan Bond ordered this investigation. What? So give me a sense of how much they've actually spent on Epstein.

Well, at one point we had literally hundreds of agents who were tasked with getting together these files.

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Hundreds of hundreds of agents?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hundreds.

[Unknown]

That's the information that we had that they were told get this information to a point where some decisions could be made about what to release and not to release.

And now the answer is they looked into it and they basically didn't find anything.

Well, at the end of the day, with the memo that they put out last week, Weekend said is that he committed suicide and that there are limitations on what they're willing to release to the public. And that's where it stands.

Okay, I want to ask you, while I've got you, there was another remarkable story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Notice they don't actually talk about the facts of the story. They only talk about the fallout. They're not talking at all about is this true? Could this be true? Is this something. No, there's none of that. It's only about the blow up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because that's their point of interest. They don't care about the fact that. You know, the more I hear from this report and this other stuff, I'm beginning to agree with Alex Jones, whose thesis is that there's a lot of good blackmail material in here. Why are we going to waste it by releasing it to the public?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is that 5D chess is 18,000 D chassis? Is that what you're talking now?

[Unknown]

Late this week, and that is that the FBI has been been doing polygraph tests on its own workforce. And then among the questions that are being asked is, have you said anything negative about FBI Director Cash Patel?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, this is great. They're doing polys on their own people about the director. Come on.

[Unknown]

Well, let me be clear. There are always leak investigations and polygraphs and that sort of thing. It's been expanded from what our reporting is. And we do know that there's real concern about the so called deep state. And they've been Asking questions, trying to get at whether any of these people had political motivations in terms of the prosecution of former, you know, then candidate Donald Trump and now President Donald Trump. And so they're digging around again to make sure in their mind they want to be comfortable that they're not people still within the government.

I mean, that is pretty extraordinary, though, to see to being asked, have you said anything negative about the drama director?

Well, some of the questions we were told have to do with associations and political, you know, for example, Pete Strzok, some of the people who are known to have said negative things, they want to know, have you been associated with those kind of people? So it gets back to the issue of loyalty and whether they're fair or not to President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, loyalty tests. That's what, that's what they're talking about, loyalty tests.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, but could they get one person on the record for one. Once we had the final clip tonight.

[Unknown]

Turmoil at the top levels of the Justice Department. Sources tell abc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I see. So this is Pierre Thomas. He did the full segment and this is like a promo. What we just heard was the promo of his deep investigation.

[Unknown]

Tonight, turmoil at the top levels of the Justice Department. Sources tell ABC News of a fiery confrontation between Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino and Attorney General Pam Bondi over the department's handling of the investigation into sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Sources tell us Bongino did not come to work today and has told allies he may resign for years. Bongino, a former podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why wouldn't you just say friends, colleagues? Why allies? That is. That is misleading.

[Adam Curry]

That's a loaded word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. To say allies, meaning there's more people like Bongino who think like he does.

[Unknown]

Jeffrey Epstein. Sources tell us Bongino did not come to work today and has told allies he may resist for years. Bongino, a former podcast host, and his boss, FBI Director Cash Patel, stoked conspiracy theories over Epstein's death, insisting shadowy forces within the government engaged in a massive cover up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Folks, you're going to see a lot.

[Adam Curry]

Of names on that. The Epstein client list, I believe, based.

[John C. Dvorak]

On what I've heard from sources and.

[Adam Curry]

The story I just told you, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S going to rock the political world.

[Adam Curry]

There's a reason they're hiding.

[Unknown]

Attorney General Bondi promised to deliver answers.

[John C. Dvorak]

The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

[Unknown]

Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

But this week DOJ released a memo saying there's actually no client list at all. Bondi asked to explain.

I was asked a question about the client list and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed. Meaning the file along with the jfk, MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that.

Doj, also, you're holding it wrong. Did in fact die by suicide and that there was no credible evidence found that he blackmailed prominent individuals and declared it would not be releasing any more information about the case. President Trump on Tuesday tried to change the subject.

[Adam Curry]

People still talking about this guy, this creep. That is unbelievable.

[Unknown]

All week long, growing outrage from some of Trump's top supporters who are counting on the release of the Epstein files and are now demanding answers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I find it frappont that you are starting to agree with Alex Jones.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not starting to agree with Alex Jones because I just say I agree with Alex Jones. I'm not starting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's not even starting.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I'm in agreement with one of his points. I mean, Alex says a lot of crazy stuff. Stuff. But this argument that he made that the blackmail, this is too valuable to just release. Why do that when you can use it for political leverage? And Trump's now a smart politician after being railroaded in 2020, and then they have him four years to stew in his own juices. I can see where this could come in quite handy. So I think Alex Jones may be onto some good idea. Now, there's something that these guys didn't mention you haven't mentioned. Nobody mentions it. I heard another one of the clips I didn't get. Yeah, because it was on tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're too busy doing hits with, with Chanel.

[Adam Curry]

Chanel. So I don't like them putting chemicals.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the water that turn the freaking frogs gay.

[Adam Curry]

Which is a. You know. That is true. It's true. Atrocine. I mean, that was true. It's true. It's just the way he puts things sometimes it's a little off putting. But Dershowitz came out and said he saw the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we played that clip, didn't we?

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, hold on. I have the.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Dershowitz saw the list. He says there's a lot of names on there that'll be very upsetting if they were ever released.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he says that he's under court order not to talk about it. Yes, yes. You know, okay, so question. Why wouldn't Trump then just say, say, oh, we got the list. I'm going to use it. Why not just say it?

[Adam Curry]

I think that would be a very. Well, that's a good question. Because I think this had to be mulled over, probably discussed with Susie Wiles and others. You have to have a meeting about this. And the conclusion. If I was in the room, I would have probably brought this up the same way, which is that. Well, here's the problem with doing exactly that, Mr. President, even though you want to. Because I think he would want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is that it would give the Democrats fodder to an extreme, because there's no. There's never really been actual proof that the FBI is a blackmailing operation. To just talk about it is. And to bring it out in the open and say, yes, we're a blackmailing operation is just going to confirm the gangster like aspect of the presidency, which we've been saying the president's a gangster. And this is proof.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I think we elected a gangster gangster, didn't we?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think we made shot and everything. They're not going to go and admit it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. All right.

[Adam Curry]

It's also illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, we have seen people ejected from the Secret Service and of course, we had the 1300 fired from the State Department, which I think was still kind of the Doge cleanup. But, you know, we need to keep an eye. Is anyone secretly going. Resigning to spend more time with their family? Family? You know, that's. That's about all I can think of anyway.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is definitely fun to watch, but at the same time, it's just bullcrap. There's all this stuff going on, you know, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there's a lot. There's a lot. Did you know. Did you know that as we. Well, actually, it just ended that there was a whole meeting in. In Italy, Literally an entire conference. The Ukraine Recovery Conference.

[Adam Curry]

No, I did not know that. Of course. Why would I know that? I'm watching mainstream media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's presidents. Everyone was there, and Georgia was right up front and center. Georgia Maloney. Everybody's there. This is to re. We're already recovering. We still have a war, supposedly, but everybody's recovering from recovering Ukraine. Here's Zelensky and this guy. Guy. This guy.

[Adam Curry]

We know what Russia has destroyed and we know what it will take to rebuild Ukraine, Ukrainian people, our lives. And we also need a clear recovery plan. Think of the role the Marshall Plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Played in rebuilding and transforming Europe. He wants. No, no, we're not. We're not going to pay for a Marshall Plan.

[Adam Curry]

That's why Europe has enjoyed peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peace and grows Lots of piss. Many decades.

[Adam Curry]

Europe's in general piss.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're pissed. There's a lot of piss going on.

[Adam Curry]

We have real opportunity to spark a new wave of progress. We need a Marshall Plan style approach and we should develop it together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Together.

[Adam Curry]

Rebuilding Ukraine is not just. Not just about our country. It's also about your countries, your companies, your technology, your jobs. The way we rebuild our country can also modernize your infrastructure and industries.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the Queen Ursula in attendance. And well, it's pretty clear I can.

[Unknown]

Announce 1 billion euro payment in macro financial support. Dear Volodymyr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, stop.

[Unknown]

I cannot.

[Adam Curry]

What's micro. What's a billion in micro financing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it means it's not a lot of money, you know, it's only a billion. I think microfinance is to give to small businesses.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she's going to take the billion and divvy it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Everybody gets a Venmo and they all get some cash.

[Unknown]

I can also.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, stop again now, doesn't micro financing is something that takes place in Africa where people are dirt poor, they have no money whatsoever and they're living in mud huts?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's microfinance.

[Adam Curry]

So they're doing this now? They're going to do. So that's how they see Ukraine. Well, no, there's a highly civilized country with a lot of whores.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's more. There's more money. That's just the micro finance.

[Unknown]

I can also another announce a payment of more than 3 billion euros from the Ukraine facility.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Ukraine facility. I don't know where that came from, other than from the European taxpayers.

[Unknown]

And this guarantees and grants that we are signing here today. You said it, Georgia. And you said it, Volodymy. It's outstanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they'll throw Georgia under the bus. I guess she thinks it's outstanding.

[Unknown]

They are set to unlock 10 billion euros in investment from growth, recovery and reconstruction of Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the war's not even over. This is what puzzles me. It's like, did they already have the room booked? Like. Well, it was supposed to be over by now.

[Adam Curry]

What are we going to do? We got this hotel for five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got the ballroom like, we might as well.

[Unknown]

And we will ensure that Ukraine is supported until 2020 and beyond, when the new European budget kicks in. Ukraine stands ready to proceed with the next step on the accession path. Ukraine is delivering on its reforms now. We must too, because the accession process is based on merits and Ukraine merits moving forward. The commission is very clear. Ukraine is ready to open cluster Won the fundamentals. Cluster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cluster one. I don't even know what that is.

[Adam Curry]

But we're ready to phase one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Now we have to act to move forward for millions of Ukrainians, soldiers, teachers, doctors, farmers, you name it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You name it.

[Unknown]

For Ukrainians from all walks of life. And for them, the future has two flags.

[Adam Curry]

Ah.

[Unknown]

The flags of Ukraine and the pride flag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flag.

[Unknown]

And the flags of Europe. This recovery conference is all about bringing Ukraine and its future to Europe. And Ukraine's future is in Europe. Let's make it happen together. SLAVA UKRAINIAN Long live Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. We're going to make it happen. Now, how is this going to happen? Because in the meantime, we have all kinds of stuff going on, on with weapons, which we're not giving, by the way. We're selling the weapons. And I was blown away. This is a.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, she did use the word grant in there, if you noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. Ten billion worth of grants. Whatever. I thought this was a European gambit, but now we're trying to take away the money.

[Unknown]

We go now to Congressman French Hill. He is the chair of the House Financial Services Committee. Welcome back to the broadcast. Your ears must have been ringing with the two senators who started the program because they were talking about grabbing some of those frozen Russian assets. You moved a bill and gave the president authority to actually seize them during the last administration under the Repo Act. The US has never before state seized central bank assets from another country. Do you know if the Treasury Department is going to do something now?

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy's real energetic.

[F]

Well, Margaret, it's good to be with you. Yes, I certainly worked very hard with former Foreign affairs chairman Mike McCall and others to put that in our 2020.

[John C. Dvorak]

Military industrial complex guy for national security.

[F]

Package during the Biden administration because we wanted another arrow in the quiver for the president to not just seize those assets, but to convert them to the benefit of Ukraine. Ukraine. But we could never get consensus between the United States and Europe for doing that, despite a unanimous vote of the council of the Parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe supporting it. So I continue to urge President Biden to do that. We got the interest off those frozen assets to benefit Ukraine, but I think it's time for the president to convert those seized assets to a trust account for the benefit of Ukraine. Ukraine. I'm glad to hear both Senators Blumenthal and Graham support that idea. It's time to do it. And I've encouraged Secretary Bessant that this should be a priority for President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not a Good idea. No, this is illegal and not a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

So it's illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's go back in time and listen to her conversation with Lindy Hop, Lady G G Graham, who is all in on this idea.

[Unknown]

Russia's escalating. They're not ending this war in Ukraine. NATO's Secretary General is going to be in Washington this week and will be meeting with President Trump, who is, according to our reporting, considering fresh funding for Ukraine. That would be the first time since he's taken office. What do you know about what is coming?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's. Sorry. He's a source.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't want to get ahead.

[G]

Of the president, but I'm having dinner along with Senator Blumenthal and other senators.

[John C. Dvorak]

That should be a fun one. Wouldn't you like to sit at that table with Blumenthal and. And Lady G.

[G]

Secretary General Mark Ruta tomorrow night? A turning point regarding Russia.

[Adam Curry]

Invasion of Ukraine is coming.

[G]

For months, President Trump has tried to.

[Adam Curry]

Entice Putin to the peace table.

[G]

He's put tariffs against countries that allow.

[Adam Curry]

Fentanyl to come in our country. Other bad behavior.

[G]

He's left the door open regarding Russia. That door is about to close.

[Adam Curry]

Dick and I have got 85 co.

[G]

Sponsors of the United States Senate for congressional sanctions with a sledgehammer available to President Trump to go after Putin's economy and all those countries who prop up the Putin war machine.

[Adam Curry]

China, India and Brazil buy oil and.

[G]

Petroleum products, other goods from Russia. That's the money Putin uses, is to prosecute the war. And this congressional package that we're looking at would give President Trump the ability to impose 500% tariff on any country that helps Russia and props up Putin's war machine. He can dial it up or down. He can go to 0 to 500. He has maximum flexibility. But we're going after the people who.

[Adam Curry]

Keep Putin in business.

[G]

And additional sanctions on Russia itself. This is truly a sledgehammer available to President Trump to end this war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't he have that already? Why? Does he need some kind of congressional approval about 500% tariffs?

[Adam Curry]

This. Well, that's a good question. The whole thing looks like. It looks like a lot of smoke and mirrors and showboating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think he goes. More detail here.

[Unknown]

I want to ask you on the battlefield and when it comes to weapons. CBS Jim Laporta has learned a recent Defense Intelligence assessment shows Ukraine's shortfall in in artillery and in drones will lead to marked Russian territorial gains in 2026, with Russia gaining 7 to 1 firepower superiority by this winter. How can you get them what they need if Congress will not approve in the House any new funding?

[G]

Well, just stay tuned for tomorrow's announcement. The idea of America selling weapons to help Ukraine is very much in play.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go. No sooner is the NATO money in than we're selling it. Yeah, baby, you can buy it from us to protect your country.

[G]

We've given Ukraine a lot. We've given the money, we've given them military aid. We now have a minerals agreement with Ukraine that's worth trillions of dollars.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't want to get ahead.

[G]

Of the president, but stay tuned about assets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this would be very bad, but I, you know, Lindy Hop is making it sound like it's a done deal, like we're gonna now seize.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he always does that, though. This guy's a shallow. It's not necessarily a done deal. The thing about the minerals is now backfiring because of the Wyoming. Wyoming pole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which is now. I don't have a clip again, but Wyoming, they, you know, they gonna open up a big rare earths minerals mine in Wyoming which has got, I guess, as much as you need in the entire world. Especially the. Some of these, you know, these super star rare earths that are using high energy magnets. This is very important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, what we need is we need some kids to go and mine that.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, the problem is, besides that, the problem is the refining. They talk about, oh, yeah, we can dig it out. Then what? The Chinese do all the refining. I can't even imagine what that facility looks like.

[John C. Dvorak]

One last clip from Europe because we're now changing NATO into nipto. That should be the new name, the North Indo Pacific Treaty Organization Station nipto. Because it's not just about NATO, it's about nipto. Our working assumption is the following. That indeed, as we see China is rapidly building up its armed forces. They have now more ships sailing than the US. They will have another hundred ships sailing by 2030. They have now a thousand nuclear warheads. This is not to organize parades in Beijing. Oh, this is a joke you make here about the parades. This is to kill everybody in the world. This is indeed to use to make use of this. We know the idea, ambition China has, which is to somehow get control over Taiwan. Oh, it's all about Taiwan. They need a thousand nuclear warheads to get control over Taiwan. And the assumption is based on many discussions we've had and of course, what we know from our sources, that the risk is increasingly there that Xi Jinping The President of China and General Secretary of Communist Party before he would attack Taiwan, will first make a call into Moscow, his very junior partner in all of this. His junior partner. He first made a call to Moscow to his very junior partner, one Vladimir. Vladimir, is Putin to ask him to keep us busy in this part of Europe? Oh, it is a distraction. So you keep us busy here in this part of Europe and then you take Taiwan while nobody's looking. Look over here with some. Nothing to see here. This shows you that the transportation Atlantic and the Indo Pacific are getting more and more intertwined already through North Korea participating in the war of aggression against Ukraine on the Russian side, including China, with sanctions, circumvention and with dual use goods delivered into Russia supporting Russia's war effort. Here's some refrigerators. You can use those motors for war in Ukraine. And of course Iran with its drone technology. Drones. I thought Iran's drone technology, I thought they only had like moped engines. They have better stuff.

[Adam Curry]

No, don't. We had a whole bunch of clips we played like about a month ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Oh, you're right. Yeah, they do have some drone technology in Ukraine and of course Iran with its drone technology. So this is all getting more and more interconnected. And therefore, and it has been some of your own German very senior generals predicting that three, five, seven years from now. Three years is today. Five years is next week. Seven years is next month. Wait a minute. Three years is today. Five years is next week. Seven years is next month. Don't you get it? Russia might be able to mount a full scale attack on NATO territory. And this is why exactly, as the Chancellor was saying, we are not doing the 5% and it's 3.5% core spending to make one person happy. Great that we equalize with the US one person happy. Not just for Donald Trump. It closes the debate we had for years. But we do this because we know the threat is there. It's real. A threat against the US A threat against Canada, threat against everybody. We need to spend more on defense. If anyone wants a world war, it's this guy. He's the one.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that he wants anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he wants to make Donald happy.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to make Donald's very, very happy. That's military industrial complex. Oh, be very afraid because if we don't have enough, then we're going to be suffering. And then while we're suffering, then boom, they take Taiwan and then we're all going to be in A world war.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's a question. This is another thing that never comes up in the conversation. Now, that guy that does uncommon knowledge had a long discussion with a Dutchman who spent most of his time in China. I think his name is Dichter. I have to get his name. Very expert on China. And he traces the. He thinks most of the China information is bs. He thinks they're not as well off as they say they are. There's not as many people as they say they are. And he has all this documentation for it. But one of the things he does point out is that the Chinese real prosperity began when they joined the wto.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure.

[Adam Curry]

And so I'll go along with that. And so they. So if the Chinese take Taiwan, why can't we just kick them out of the WTO and that's the end of it? Because China relies on the wto, the World Trade Organization, so it can work, work internationally and totally kick ass and take over a lot of markets and do what it does. And you kick them out of the wto.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

China, you move to. You take Taiwan, you're out.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're their customer. They're not going to do anything without us.

[Adam Curry]

This whole Taiwan thing's a red herring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's a red herring for the military industrial complex. And you know. And you know, the Jews are behind it. So, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, those, those.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want war in China.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Because they got nothing better to do. Oops.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, that's. No, I, I was a pregnant pause. I was.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, I thought you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I was waiting for you to follow up. I'm like, maybe do some China stuff. You seem to have China clips. I don't know. What do I have?

[Adam Curry]

China of clips?

[John C. Dvorak]

You got Falun Gong clips.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Let's listen to this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you're gonna. If it's no good, then why.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it brings a point that I, I brought it up earlier in the show and I. And you kind of brought it up, and I. This has become an issue with me, which is what? Why. Why is this going on? It's never, ever. What is the thing with Fallong gone. What is it? Why do the Chinese hate it so much that they're tracking people down and they're grabbing you if you fall on gong and they're throwing you in a gulag and then they're taking your liver? I mean, why?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's kidneys. I don't think it's liver, it's kidney.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Kidneys. They're taking the kidneys. Let's listen to so NTD brings on a fallen. This is supposed to be a report on the CCP and it's kind of sneaking around and doing stuff in the United States nasty and and disrupting our academic system isn't following up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weren't they a religious outfit?

[Adam Curry]

And they got roused about 10 years ago. We did a whole thing exposition on the Fallon. It was a whole group of these meditation techniques that showed up in China for some reason out of the blue. And there was a bunch of them and Falun Gong, the one of them which has also been renamed something else and I keep forgetting the new name. And they always say, when they say it, they always say it's a spiritual baba. They always have some little ditty, some little subtext they always have to say with it. It's almost like when you say Muhammad, if you're Muslim, you always have to say peace be upon him. And then if you write it out it's Muhammad then you p B U h, you see that a lot in text. So it's like some thing you have to do. And so they always say something about fall when they mentioned Falun Gong. They always say it's a spiritual blah, blah, blah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But is it, is it Falun Dafa? Is that the new name?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, maybe it's something like that. It could be. But whatever the case, it's like what is the real reason there's something that we are not being told and you'd listen to this report and it still doesn't get. We. We just don't find out. Let's listen.

[Unknown]

Subverting America from Within. For decades, the Chinese Communist Party has systematically infiltrated our political system, systems, businesses and institutions. Now it's carrying out a test run for how Beijing can influence or even dictate what we can do and what we believe. Joining us now to discuss his upcoming special report is Steve lance, entities Washington D.C. bureau chief, host of Entities Capital Report, and chief political correspondent Steve Lance. Great to see you. Thanks for joining us. Now you have a special report coming out about the Chinese Communist Party's covert war war within the US there's so much to unpack here. What's the bottom line?

[G]

Well, thanks for having me back with you, Tiff. The bottom line is it is a very complex covert operation that is stemming from Beijing against a particular persecuted group inside of China who is also based here in the United States. And it is the Falun Gong spiritual movement. And to understand what they're doing, you also have to understand what Falun Gong is now. Falun Gong is a spiritual practice that was widely embraced inside of China during the 1990s. It grew in rapid numbers. The CCP's own internal estimate was that roughly 70 to 100 million people were practicing this. And because of its rapid population and rapid spread, the CCP then in 1999, launched a widespread nationwide persecution. And what they did was they rounded people up, they put them in forced labor camps, they tortured them, they murdered them, they killed them, and eventually this even evolved into organ harvesting. You may have heard about that. But along with this came a vast amount of propaganda, how they labeled it as an medieval cult. They say that practitioners kill themselves. One of the directives was to really defame this group inside of China so that they would lose credibility.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shen Yun.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's the dance troupe.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Shen Yun dancers. Yes. I think they're. They're on tour with Beyonce now.

[Adam Curry]

I believe they're all over the place, apparently. Very good. But the point is that it starts off, she says, Chinese influence in the United States. And I'm thinking, well, now they're going to get into the. All kinds of interesting stuff. And it switches immediately to Falun Gong. It doesn't even. They're not going to talk about anything else now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then why should we listen? Is it worth listening?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it's because it's the way they keep beating around the bush about why explain to me, and I want somebody out there that can explain it to me. What specifically do the Chinese, the CCP in particular, have against Falun Gong? Is it the same thing they have. Have against Christians or Buddhists or Confucianism or whatever? Is it just because it's anything outside the. Just a little bit veering from the straight communism? I mean, it's just. It makes no sense to me that they're this adamant that they're sending tons of Chinese spooks to the United States only to track down the Falun Gong.

[G]

What you have now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that got planned.

[G]

What you have now is the Falun Gong diaspora around the world, particularly in the United States, has set up different organizations, media organizations, performing arts group called Shen Yun Performing Arts to get the word out about this persecution, because it was very, in large part, widely underreported. And so now, as the world's people are starting to understand what Falun Gong is and that the Chinese Communist Party is persecuting this peaceful group overseas, this is starting to get out. And so the Chinese Communist Party is really set on silencing this group of Falun Dafa practitioners, Falun Gong practitioners in the United States who are operating these media groups like the Epoch Times, and also the founders of NTD Television, as well as Shen Yuan, because they've been so effective at getting the truth out about the Chinese Communist Party's crimes against humanity, really against this group of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess that's the reason. They just don't like the media exposure they have, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the giant media exposure of ntd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Excuse me. NTD has been featured on this podcast for over a decade as if it's the real deal.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's the only one. One. Yeah, I know the Chinese are. Send up some cash. I'll stop doing it. Epoch Times. Oh, everyone subscribes to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should probably look out your window. I mean, before you know it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Nobody's driving by. The point is that this is. There's no. This is bull crap. I just do not understand it. And I try and try and I listen to this stuff and they never get to the bottom. Bottom of it. They always go on about Falun Gong. And it's great because, you know, they have a dance troupe and. Oh, my God.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're peaceful. Peaceful protestors.

[Adam Curry]

And they're peaceful and they're spiritual somehow, and we don't know why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, very spiritual.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, there used to be a group of them, but we have a consulate here in San Francisco, which is kind of an interesting place. And because I went to it when I first went to China back in the 90s, and then I went. It used to be just a hole in the wall in terms of the office to get a visa because nobody was in there. And now it's a big, like, take a number. And there used to be a group of fallen Gongists out in front, and they just. They just stand there for hours on end staring at the building, trying to levitate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think, well, we have a lot of producers out there. Maybe they can help us out and understand this music mystery.

[Adam Curry]

So do you think they're going to get to the bottom? But now I'm on clip three, so let's play that. And these aren't that long, so it's not too bad.

[Unknown]

Why is this such a concern for the Chinese regime? Why have they invested so many resources to silence this group outside?

[G]

Well, when you really go back to. Sometimes we just buzz by certain points here, but when you really unpack forced live organ harvesting, and when you really think about the gravity of this cross crime, this isn't just like a few rogue individuals in the government or, you know, a few bad apples on the black market. This is state run. This is happening at scale at the highest levels of the Chinese Communist Party. Military hospitals are directing this. And when you really understand what is taking place, you're rounding up these peaceful, spiritual, religious believers that believe in truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance. Those are the three core tenets of Falun Gong.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, there may be just more behind Falun Gong on our side. Just to make the Chinese look bad, to keep it, you know, to keep this, this story alive that at the state level they're harvesting organs. You know, Xi Jinping just got a new heart, something like that. I mean, what else could it be?

[G]

They're being kidnapped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kidnapped.

[G]

They're being taken to these military hospitals. Their organs are then extracted and sold for thousands of dollars around the world. People come in, they call it transplant tourism inside of China. The bodies are then cremated. They destroy the evidence essentially, so there's no trace of it. And then when the family comes, they say, oh, we didn't have space. You know, we didn't have space. Here's the ashes. They cremate the body, or they tell them that they committed suicide. The list really goes on. But this is happening at scale. So if the world's people really find out about this crime and hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable, the CCP is really only sustained and legitimized because people don't understand these human rights abuses. And so the Falun Gong community overseas has been, been really the most effective at bringing these atrocities to light.

[John C. Dvorak]

It seems like we have an answer. Is this bad pr? Falun Gong is bad pr. They're talking about our organ harvesting. I mean, that, that's, that's an offense.

[Adam Curry]

It just seems like there's. They're sending agents over all over the world to track down the Chinese dissidents and the. But that's what I thought was just Chinese dissidents that they were after. But no, no, no, it's Falun Gong specifically. And I'm not. There's something amiss with this story. I think it's the last clip of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank God.

[Unknown]

And Steve, one of the most concerning aspects of the Chinese regime's campaign is the CCP's focus on actually US federal agencies. What is the strategy and what are the larger implications here?

[G]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So that's where it gets a little bit complicated. There was a directive that came out of Beijing from the highest levels, Xi Jinping, that was targeting U.S. media institutions. And they basically planted a Few different stories or tried to through their various agents and operations to really go after the Shen Yuan Performing Arts. And some of the things that they've done is they've mobilized these people, people to influence former dancers who may have been cut loose from Shen Yuan. It's a very, you know, top tier performing arts company where not everybody makes the cut. So people get cut and eventually they may have ties in China and they start to get influenced. And that's, that's, there's a nexus between some of these former dancers who have left Shen Yuan and Beijing and they have since filed different lawsuits. Anybody can file a lawsuit in the United States. You don't even have to be a citizen. And so we're seeing civil lawsuits being filed against this group from people who are closely tied to Beijing. And then what you have is once these lawsuits are filed, some Western media, specifically the New York Times, is writing about these laws lawsuits. Now, nothing has been adjudicated. Everything is still, you know, in process and you know, the evidence hasn't come out, but the damage has already been done. Tiff. Okay, so these lawsuits are filed and then the New York Times will publish an article as if it's law. And they use very creative and crafty ways to sort of misguide the reader.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, to me it just seems like they just, they just want to control peace. That's what they do in their own country. They control it all.

[Adam Curry]

I'm expecting a report on the Chinese buying land outside of the bases. I'm expecting. Yeah, but that's all Chinese suing the environmental organizations to get them to so they would stop us using fossil fuel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's what you could do. You could stop watching NTD and it won't bother you so much.

[Adam Curry]

And then what I get is this Falun Gong. Falun Gong fall on Gong Gong stuff. It's just baffles me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well me too.

[Adam Curry]

But it's like everything else that's never explained.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking news when we come back here tonight. The new drug just approved by the FDA for your dog. Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute there, there's breaking news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking news.

[Adam Curry]

David Mu. That was David Muc. Breaking news about a dog drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. The FDA this evening approving a long acting drug to protect dogs against fleas and ticks.

[G]

Real promise here. The drug from Vector Quantum is pay for this ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's very short.

[Adam Curry]

This is a new, new, new category of advertising. Breaking news.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we have the teaser is four seconds. When we come back here tonight, the new drug just approved by the FDA for your dog. And then the actual story is 17 seconds. The FDA this evening approving a long acting drug to protect dog against fleas and ticks. Real promise here. The drug, Bravecto Quantum, is given by injection. It must be prescribed by a licensed veterinarian. Potential side effects could include muscle tremors and seizures. They say this new drug offers protection.

[Adam Curry]

For up to a full year. They're eating the dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

So your dog might get a seizure and die, but he won't have fleas. This is unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Come on, let's have a couple TikTok videos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Okay. Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Really, really. Well, we can talk about Stablecoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, let's do this. Talk about Stablecoin. You don't have anything on stable. I have something on stablecoin.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, play it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually do. Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm amenable. I don't care. Okay, well, watch the numbers go down.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. You are wrong. You're wrong. You're so. Yeah, you're wrong. You're wrong. Margaret Brennan. This is from the Small Morning. Now, first to get to Stablecoin, we have to first talk about Jerome Powell, our Fed chair. What have you got? What have you. And Horace. DH Unplugged every Tuesday. Horowitz released on Wednesday. I'm trying to plug DH Unplugged here. I'm plugging the Unplugged DH Unplug. Have you talked about the replacement of Jay Powell?

[Adam Curry]

No, this is fairly new. This came after the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well, it's been ongoing for a while that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know they've been talking about it, but nobody expected him to. You know, I. Now there's rumors that he wants to. He might resign because he's just sick of it and being hounded by Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, you spend too much on the.

[Unknown]

Building, man, because you have some oversight in the financial space. I want to ask you about comments made in regard to Fed Chair Jerome Powell. The president says the economy is in good shape.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shape.

[Unknown]

But he still complains about the head of the central bank says he's doing a terrible job because he's not lowering interest rates. On another network today, the president's top economic adviser said the White House is looking into whether the President has the authority to fire Chair Powell. Do you believe the president has the power and authority to fire the Fed President?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Congressman French Hill being asked this question.

[F]

You know, Margaret, I don't. And I. I believe President Trump has spoken about this several times over the past two years, including recently Mr. Powell's governorship, his chairmanship is up next spring. The President has vacancies coming up on the Fed board where he could name another governor. But look, just because Congress created the Fed and that we believe that it should, should be independent in the setting of monetary policy, it doesn't mean that it's immune from criticism. And every president since World War II has had choice words for the Fed chair when they've not been in sync with the direction of the president. So, look, the Congress continues to do oversight. I set up a special task force to oversee the Fed's decision making since the 2008 financial crisis. We have that investigation, review and oversight underway, and we'll continue it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, from what I understand, the only issue here is President Trump wants the interest rate lowered so he can refinance the country.

[Adam Curry]

You tricked me.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean stablecoin is next? I didn't trick you, but I want to ask you a question because you know this better than I do. Can't we just lower the interest rate to refi the country? Isn't that just a good idea? Is that a bad idea at this point? Point?

[Adam Curry]

Actually, you can make the argument the opposite is true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it used to always be the idea was you get high inflation and you rack up the. You rack. Make inflation so high that you can pay off the debt with cheap dollars. In other words, you devalue the dollar to such an extent because the debt is in dollars. It's not in a float. It's not floating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. No, but we have to borrow money to pay it back back. So you want to borrow at a lower interest rate. We don't have the money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you want to borrow at the lowest interest rate you can, but if you can pay back in cheap dollars, it's the same thing. There's nothing just. It's a, it's a wash one way or the other. This is not going to help anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Stable.

[Adam Curry]

The idea is, what Trump's idea is to get the. I don't think it's for refinancing or any trickery. No, it is, but I think it's really to crank up the economy because if everything gets, you know, you get down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, 2% interest rate. People are going to be borrowing more money, they're going to be starting more businesses, they're going to be hiring more people and everybody's going to be happy. And you're going to people buying more houses and the prices are going to go up and blah, blah, blah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, it Sounds like a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it does sound like a good idea. But the way the Fed sees it is that, well, you haven't proven anything yet with the tariff threat threats. And until that settles down, I saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had a surplus at the US treasury for the first time in years because of the tariff money. So we.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's bogus.

[John C. Dvorak]

The answer is still stablecoin.

[Unknown]

I think you'd acknowledge that most presidents might have had those choice words behind closed doors. Not on social media posts on a regular basis, Congressman, but on crypto, I want to ask, you know, crypto has been Wild west right. Ways because they don't have the same kind of regulation Wild west digital asset space that there does exist for banks and financial services. You've got a few measures coming up this week. How do you make sure as you put these regulations in place that kind of help crypto becomes mainstream, that it doesn't also benefit some of those on the black market, for example, who use this to evade oversight.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is so dumb, but okay, Frenchie, go.

[F]

Exactly. Well, in the work in the Senate led by Bill Haggerty and Tim Scott and Cynthia Lummis on the Genius act to create a dollar backed stablecoin, we've heavily influenced that legislation over the two years of previous work by the House and our Clarity act, which sets up the rules of the road for what's a commodity, what's a security, how to use digital assets, how to store them, how to custody them. These are the rules that will protect consumers, will limit access to our market and our investors from entities outside the United States trying to influence the crypto markets. We have none of that that today. What we've had is a mismatch of rules by enforcement in the Biden administration. And I believe the bills will have on the House floor this week, will protect investors consumers and make America as President Trump wants a leader in financial technology and crypto and digital assets innovation.

[John C. Dvorak]

So stablecoin is happening and it's totally going to be what we talked about. What, what you claim we chased our entire audience away with. Yeah, and but of course, the most spectacular story of the week just passing $119,000 a coin is Bitcoin.

[Unknown]

But you know, sir, that the concern is that this is the patina of protection of consumers without actual muscle behind was interesting to see. And many Americans who hold mortgages might have noticed that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would buy and sell mortgages. The head of the agency, the Federal Housing Agency, Bill Pulte, told them they'll have to prepare a proposal to review crypto as an asset on mortgage applications. Given the huge taxpayer stake in Fannie Freddie, are you comfortable with people using crypto isn't really, you know, in many ways to pay for a down payment.

[John C. Dvorak]

On a house is not tangible. This crypto. Crypto. What do you think?

[F]

Well, look at Bitcoin for example. One can now buy bitcoin. It is a commodity. It's been determined that it's a commodity by the CFTC and the sec. One can hold it in their brokerage account through an exchange traded product, an etf. Etp. It's now an asset for millions of Americans and it certainly could be treated like a stock or a bond or cash as a contribution to someone's net worth to qualify for a mortgage. And if we pass clarity this week, which I expect we will on a bipartisan basis and we craft a dollar backed stablecoin like genius offered by Senator Hagerty, we'll have the rules of the road. It won't be a patina of consumer enforcement. It will be real consumer enforcement, investor.

[Unknown]

Protection and a down payment for all.

[F]

Of us cftc, the SEC and the bank and the bank regulators.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, down payment. Remember when we called it Beanie Babies? Boy were we dumb.

[Adam Curry]

I still call it that because I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Told you you should get Someone. That was 40,000. You still wouldn't listen to me.

[Adam Curry]

I should have bought. You're right. I should have bought Nvidia at that same point in time.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait to listen to.

[Adam Curry]

I would have tripled my money.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't. Well, I can't wait. Can't wait to hear Horowitz say that Bitcoin's price is going up because of Nvidia. That's. That seems to be the Wall Street.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't heard this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's everywhere. Oh yeah. It's helped by Nvidia I guess for some reason. Yeah, yeah. I don't believe it's true but Nvidia's.

[Adam Curry]

Got their own balloon full of hot air. They don't need it more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Man, that thing is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Four trillion dollar worth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Four trillion dollars. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is a very good one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well J for a chat bot. For a bunch of chat bots, man.

[Adam Curry]

The guy has got. The guy's got something going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, a bad job.

[Adam Curry]

Let's do this clips on Harvard. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. This is kind of interesting. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I've always believed that there's something underfoot here. They. It's an idle threat that I think has got to freak these universities out, which is go after their accreditation. The Department of Homeland Security says they're issuing subpoenas to Harvard to force them to comply with multiple requests for, quote, relevant information concerning foreign students. A statement from the DHS says the move comes after the university repeatedly refused past non coercive requests to hand over the required information for its Student Visitor and Exchange program certification. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem says if Harvard won't defend the interest of its students, then we will. We tried to do things the easy way with Harvard. Now through their refusal to cooperate, we have to do things the hard way. Harvard, like other universities, has allowed foreign students. Students to abuse their visa privileges and advocate for violence and terrorism on campus. In response, Harvard told the Hill that Harvard is committed to following the law. And while the government's subpoenas are unwarranted, the university will continue to cooperate with lawful requests and obligations. The administration's ongoing retaliatory actions come as Harvard continues to defend itself and its students, faculty and staff staff against harmful government overreach aimed at dictating whom private universities can admit and hire and what they can teach. In addition to the DHS subpoenas, the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services notifies Harvard's accreditor that the Ivy League university might be in violation of anti discrimination laws, citing campus antisemitism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the antisemitism part is bullcrap when it comes to dei, but for sure, they've discriminated against students. Students.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, The Chinese in particular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Asians. Yeah. Asian Americans, of course. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That lawsuit was settled and it was proven, and they still haven't changed anything. And the fact that they could get so high and mighty about being private, private, private. And while fighting not getting government money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's my 400 million, baby?

[Adam Curry]

We're private. Give us more money. This is. This makes no sense. The Harvard is. This is hubris taken to an extreme. These guys. Why are you doing this? Just, you know, I don't get it personally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, why is. Because Epstein went to Harvard. So there's probably something in the Epstein files.

[Adam Curry]

Probably exactly. It's there a part two to that clip or is that it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there is a part two right here.

[Adam Curry]

Department of Education Secretary Linda McMahon says accreditors have a responsibility, ability to ensure institutions are upholding academic integrity and campus safety and culture. The Trump administration says they're currently in talks with Harvard. President Trump says he's optimistic. Yeah, they'll absolutely reach a deal. The notice comes nine days after the Trump administration's task force to combat anti Semitism sent a letter to Harvard telling them that their federal funding is at risk because the school allegedly violated. Violated their Jewish students civil rights. But the. Again, federal. Why Federal funding for what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Research.

[Adam Curry]

They can get money from. How about the money? How about getting money from. From whom? The research benefit. From who? The. There are people that. I'm trying to put the sentence together. There's a, there's a beneficiary of the research. It's called industry. It's called the pharma companies. They have tons of money. They, some of them make 10 or 20 billion dollars a year in net profits. Why aren't they research giving them the money? Why is the taxpayer paying for research that benefits Pfizer? Explain this to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I disagree. Without research money going to Harvard, we wouldn't have this when we come back here tonight, the new drug just approved by the FDA for your dog. I'm telling you, without that our defito would be dead. I really don't know. I don't know. It's. It seems personal to me. You know, Covid shots. I don't know. I don't know. Johns Hopkins, do they get money too? Johns Hopkins?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, they're spooks. The whole thing is Johns Hopkins loaded.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're not answering any questions here but I do in that vein have more sources. Sources about Columbia University.

[Unknown]

Columbia University may be close to a deal with the Trump administration to restore its federal funding. Sources say the deal would help the school regain access to more than $400 million in federal funding. The Trump administration pulled that money over anti Israel, pro Palestinian protests on campus. Meanwhile, Colombia is expected to pay a multimillion dollar settlement to victims of alleged civil rights violations and implement changes to its diversity, equity and inclusion policies. The agreement would also include improving campus security for Jewish students and boosting transparency about hiring and admissions.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's clear he's doing it because he's on the Epstein list and the. And Israel is telling him to do it. It's obvious. I don't see how it's so hard for you to just understand that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't know. It's. I lost with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to thank you for your courage. In the morning to you the man who put the se in the cluster 1. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C. Demore.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, in the morning you Mr. M K in the morning our ships sea boost and ground feet in the air, subs in the water and the dames and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Warning to the trolls in the troll room. He counts you for a second. Hold on a second. All right, 2514 today at the peak. That's nice. 2514. That is above average, right?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it used to be average, but now it's above average because our average is currently 24 on Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's above average, then. Hello, trolls. They are in the troll room.

[Adam Curry]

28.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're in the troll room at Trollroom IO. Or they may be listening on a modern podcast app, which gives you the bat signal when we go live. Actually fired it off late. Sorry about that. My mistake. So if you're mad, don't worry, because when it comes out as a podcast, you'll be notified within. Within 90 seconds. That's why you want to use something from podcastapps.com. we are value for value. The only way that we gain and garner any income is through your time, your talent, your treasure. Because saving money is also a good way for our us to create a better product for you without spending money on thousands of producers. That's how we know that this ChatGPT conversation thing is real. That's how we know a lot of things. That's how we get all kinds of information. That is the oldest joke in the world at this point.

[Adam Curry]

You always chuckle if you stop chuckling. I wouldn't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I will no longer chuckle at your dumb joke.

[Adam Curry]

And it's not a joke. It's kind of a bit. The joke implies a story.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a bit.

[Adam Curry]

It's told with a punchline instead of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, I didn't chuckle. It's a bit time. Talent or treasure. Which means we accept any of the above. And of course, we love our prompt jockeys. Can't call them artists anymore who bring us artwork for every single episode. I'm getting pushback now on some of these people. Like, oh, I'm tired of the AI art.

[Adam Curry]

I don't want to hear anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I kind of like the one that. Who did this for episode 1780? That's the one I did from New York. We titled it Chat Box, and the art was by digital. Oh, I actually made a mistake. I wrote down digital 21 2, man. But of course, it should have been digital 2112, man. Sorry. And this was. This was. We thought it was funny. It was Pam Bondi ripping up the Epstein list. If it had been done by a real artist, we probably would have chosen that. It just Shows you need a good idea idea. And of course you don't need a lot of talent anymore to. To get it out of the. Out of the AI. And there it is, man. Just look at the page of Noah Art Generator dot com. Everything has. Everything now has the same orange. We're going through orange.

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking at the page right now and there's a. The good example is Measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything is orange. Everything.

[Adam Curry]

And Barbie, Lolita Express.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bongino AI.

[Adam Curry]

There's a bunch of them. They have this orange tinge. The whole artwork is tinged. It's like a tinge problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

But even if you go down and look at. From two shows ago, everything.

[Adam Curry]

NYC Streets is another one. It's brand new by Darren. It's all tinged.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all orange. Yeah. This is. And you should now I guess you have to put in. Don't make it orange.

[Adam Curry]

Joe Baba. Yes, Joe Baba's Lolita Express.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything orange.

[Adam Curry]

It's actually kind of awkward now. I will say Bongino Orange.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. We went for obvious low brow reasons, we went with the Pam Bondi ripping up the Epstein list because like, come on, everyone was talking about it. That's why we went with it. But the one that we both laughed at and liked the most, without a doubt was the Holland Five.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is a new band that John just made up, the Holland 5. And it was a funny piece but.

[Adam Curry]

I was like a bunch of. A bunch of stereotypical. Which. I've never seen a Dutch person dress like this, but you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, that's a very traditional Dutch dress. Oh yeah. Oh, completely.

[Adam Curry]

It looks like it's silly. It's like. It's like the leader hose in Germans.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's. The Dutch have a very.

[Adam Curry]

I'm talking about in terms of. It's being a stereotype. Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although the one thing that you'll never see in a typical Dutch quintet ever, you'll never see a guy with a banjo.

[Adam Curry]

No, they don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't play with banjos over there at all. At all. Darren o' Neill flooding the zone. We kind of liked his Bad liar. Pam Bondi. She had a shock collar on that said Bad Liar. Yeah, it was okay. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I use the 50 shades of something. The Dominatrix chewing bubble gum on the. For the. For the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, of course. You use that one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, just. No, of course. What would a course?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's. It's a.

[Adam Curry]

I also, I mean I. It was either that or the grock one. I like The. The Chatterbox with Darren o'. Neill. Neil with the chattering teeth. Because I find chattering teeth to be funny. Wow. Now, it would have been funnier animated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But yeah, the Pam Bondies.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, just as an aside, animated art also works in the podcast apps.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if.

[Adam Curry]

Let's give the artists more new ideas.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am giving them an idea. It works incredibly well, actually.

[Adam Curry]

So I wonder if our. I wonder if this, the Art generator, will hold a gif, animated gif and present it properly.

[John C. Dvorak]

It should. I think so. It should.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it should. It should. I hope so, because I want people to do.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, look at this. Everything's a ping on this thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Collect. Correct. The record has already put you up as host of oa as seen on oan. Okay, brother. All right, everybody. That is of course, a big thanks to digital 2112man for bringing us the artwork for episode 1780. We appreciate, appreciate that and we appreciate anything anybody does, really. I mean, the more choice we have, the better. Noagenda. Art generator dot com. You know, why don't we just have no agenda. Art generator.com just be an AI by itself. You don't have to upload anything. Just type in what you think it should be and it creates it for you.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Bring back Nick the Rat. That was nice. Two episodes ago.

[Adam Curry]

It was probably the only. He probably had a day off or something. Who knows? He hasn't sent anything in since.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, he's probably mad because I. I didn't do a meetup in New York. You know, they were like, hey, man, what's your dance card like? Like, I'm here.

[Adam Curry]

Nick the Rat doesn't get me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he does. Yeah, I think he does. On Wednesday nights when he's in the sewer. We like to thank everyone who supports us with the treasure of the Three Cheese Time talent and treasure. And we will thank everybody $50 and above, not below 50 for reasons of anonymity. And then we have a special category for every single show. Not that it's necessary, but man, do we love it when people come in like Hollywood bigwigs and give us 200. That gets you a special bonus, which is a associate executive producer credit, which is real, just like Hollywood. You can use it anywhere that these type of credits are recognized, like IMDb.com and in addition to that, we'll also read your note, $300 or above. It's no surprise you become an executive producer of that particular episode and we'll also read your note, and until the end of the month, we have our PhD promotion. Still running your PhD in media deconstruction. If you want to see what that looks like, go tonoagenta rings.com. click on the Ph.D. tab. And Mike Musgrave from Pennsylvania came in with $1,000. So he gets the executive producer credit. He gets a PhD, and I think, is he already a night? He didn't. Did he not ask for a knighting? Because I don't see anything on the list.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't we just put him on the list?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, we don't have a night name, so he has to give us a night.

[Adam Curry]

He's got to give us what he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wants at the round table. My name is Mike Musgrave. I just wanted to say that you guys are the best. The information you provide is truly invaluable. Super clips and super cuts are my favorite. I hope you're enjoying this fragile ceasefire as much as I am. Have a great day, says Mike Musgrave. Thank you, Mike. And your PhD will be on the.

[Adam Curry]

Way after he fills out the form. Yes, I'll mention Thomas Flanagan in McCall, Idaho. Also a thousand dollars. Also Ph.D. iTM gym. Nancy writes, I have been a listener for three years. My wife Kelly gets credit for this introduction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, switcheroo.

[Adam Curry]

For the introduction. With a small donation, I would like you to consider using the phrase the phase horse.

[John C. Dvorak]

The phrase. He means the phrase.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. It says. Okay. Using the phrase horse pucky in addition to bull crap. It just has a nice ring to it. And the same meaning. Horse pucky. Well, no, it doesn't have the exact same meaning because one comes from a bull, a steer, and the other one comes from a horse. It's a different animal. It's like saying dog shit. It would be also another variable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could use that. So is this for his wife Kelly? Because he says, my wife Kelly.

[Adam Curry]

Kelly gets credit for the introduction. What does that mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe introducing him to the. The show?

[Adam Curry]

I guess so, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is a very mysterious note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you let us know, Thomas. And if you want your knighthood, let us know as well. 350 from Anonymous, who says, hey, Adam and John, I would like to remain anonymous. From Massachusetts, longtime listener, first donation. So a ceremonial deduching is in order.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. I was hit in the mouth with a brick during COVID and was floored with both of your insights. I will try to keep this short. Thank you for your courage and what you both provide for Everyone who listens. I'm 29 years old and find it both fascinating and worrisome at how little people my age care about knowing what's going on in the world and the slanted deliveries we see every day. You know this is true, you know, in the elevator. Elevator. Because we were in there so, so often with so many horrible elevators. Horrible elevator. You would hear people making jokes about Epstein, about Epstein's list, but they didn't care. It's a punchline.

[Adam Curry]

They don't care how many people were in the elevator?

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot. There was a. A bachelor party and all the bros came in and Tina's like, bachelor party? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, yeah, man, Epstein list. I mean, whatever. I'm proud to be armed with no agenda information, swinging my fists at everyone in front of me in the hopes at least one person tunes in trying to hit him in the mouth. Thank you again, and can I please get a big loud goat? Karma? Why, of course you can. Thank you. Anonymous.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

J.J. urbandale, Iowa. 33. 333. Simple, easy. Hey, boy. He's long time boner. First time donor. Given the theory that the evil entities in the world need to tell us what they are doing via symbolism or numerology, I cannot believe I have not heard the theory before. The theory being about build back better from the previous regime. Now look at the big beautiful bill. Cautious alliteration. Or take the Bs, make them lowercase, smash them together. 6, 6, 6. Mark of the beast. The globalists are always up to evil stuff. No jingles, just karma. JJ And Urbandale, he needs a de douching. By the way, you've been de douched. I sent him a note back saying, you know, I don't know how we missed that. Because it's so obvious.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I don't think we missed it. It's just. It was like. Okay, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I think. No, I think we totally missed it. I don't remember ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we didn't talk about it because it was like so obvious. Obvious. I guess. I don't know. And here's his karma that he requested.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sean Homan, Noblesville, Indiana, comes in with two. 1911. I'm trying to decode that. And Sean says, Luke 18, verses 22 to 25 share God's blessings. Saint Maria Goretti. Pray for us. Luke, that's. I told you seven times. But 77 times. Oh, it's about money. Yes. Settling the accounts.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it also should be versus V.

[John C. Dvorak]

E R. Yeah, I know. I. I know what he meant.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know what he meant. But he spelled it as though it was a competition. I thought that was kind of interesting. Subtle and funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Do name Ralph in Miami, Florida. $211.60. I have a blank cell here. Which gives him double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go. Double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And coming in with 20713. It is of course, the 13th of the seventh month. That's Eli the coffee guy. And he would like to credit this donation to one of their customers, Dame Rita Harrington. Her and so many other regular producers of this show initially inspired me to star donating. I was hit in the mouth back in 2018. It took a few years before I ceased being a douchebag. However, it was the regular names I heard in the donation segments that made me realize how valuable this show is to all of us, the listeners. No Agenda has seen me through countless hours of traveling the country as a private investigator, AKA corporate spook, before quitting my job to rehab an old house and start a business roasting coffee. Thank you, Adam and John, for keeping me company on this journey. Also thank you to all the producers in the no Agenda community that help make this show possible. Thank you for your courage and stay caffeinated. Says Eli, the coffee guy without a plug. Well, I'm going to give him a free one. That's gigawatt coffee roasters dot com.

[Adam Curry]

So he was a private investigator for corporations doing espionage.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess I didn't know this. I didn't know this.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Yeah, I said espionage. Assuming it was because what else was you do?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, but that, that says a lot.

[Adam Curry]

He's buying on other companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Joe has changed his life. That's the point.

[Adam Curry]

Well, not only that, but he's. He's a good coffee roaster. He's not a slouch. I occasionally get try other coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good.

[Adam Curry]

And he holds his own with the best of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good coffee.

[Adam Curry]

And his bags are exactly one cradle full of coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

His bags are spot on. He's got good bags.

[Adam Curry]

And talking about Cradle, we got Sarah Cradle here. She's in East Wenatchee, Washington. 200 bucks and she says. Greetings Adam and John, business owners of Gitmo Nation. Do you need to update your website but hate the idea of doing it yourself?

[John C. Dvorak]

Like divorce.org.

[Adam Curry]

At Concurrent Studio, we create safe and effective websites that will match your brand and improve your customer experience. Learn more at concurrent studio. All one word document. That's concurrentstudio.com she said it again. Get monations. Go to webshop. Love you mean it. Sarah the web babe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling you, she should redo no agenda. Dvorak.org na if you can give her the password, it'll be done quickly.

[Adam Curry]

She'd love to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deflect, Deny Linda, pack in $200. Linda always has a similar message. She does like jobs karma. And she, she says, worried about AI. For a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com that's ImageMakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of unique and winning resumes. Promo code Bongino.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's vote for Jobs Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Now you have a D. Clegg, who sent in a check and a card. And a card. You can tell it's a card? I can tell because it has a distinctive card sound. She wrote a note. I think it's a she because I mean, D could also be a male name, but the writing is female. But it could also be male if he was an architect.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true.

[Adam Curry]

So she wrote in all upper case some. Okay, this is a. Not a tip of the day, but it's a tip. And she should listen to this. Get one of those font creators software font creation package and turn this into a font. She has gorgeous uppercase writing. It's all uppercase. It's block letters. But it's just. It's really pretty as hell. ITM gentlemen, she writes. Thank you for all of your hard work work keeping us informed. Please de douche me. You've been de douched. Also your best Jobs Karma would be very appreciated. Blessings to all. D. Clegg from the sanctuary state of Taxachusetts. I'm sorry. Tax. Oh, sorry. Taxachus nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, Jobs.

[Unknown]

And jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And our final associate executive producer today is Pat Hopple from Delafield, Wisconsin. $200. And Pat says. Now Pat could be male or female, as we know from years of Saturday Night Live. I'm not. Sorry to break your mean, doubting hearts, John.

[Adam Curry]

What's a male.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Potts is real and keep. I think it was me who came up with that story. But I love.

[Adam Curry]

I never said it wasn't real.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that you're getting blame. I love it.

[Adam Curry]

That's about time somebody blamed me for something. Because most of the time they blame you. Of course, most of the time they're Right. Now, with that in mind, we had a lot of notes about people. We did lots of notes about people with pots. The kids got it there. It's all generalized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Generalize.

[Adam Curry]

It's all traced back to the COVID vaccine shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some say severe Covid that they didn't have a shot.

[Adam Curry]

Although there's a doctor that's had it for 30 years that they mentioned in one the of the notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So there's no shot there.

[John C. Dvorak]

So while POTS is real and keeps me in a reclined position with fibromyalgia myalgic encephalomytoliculus. Encephalomylite. Help me.

[Adam Curry]

This could be a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Encephalomyelitis. There we go. Chronic fatigue syndrome.

[Adam Curry]

Encephalitis. Me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And histamine intoxication intolerance. It has kept me unemployed for 25 years.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so she didn't get it from the shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And severely cut into my no agenda support. Now. Now it's a problem.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait. While my wife has carried the economic burden, I've been the lousy homemaker, mechanic, maintenance man, et cetera. And since she is no fan of the show, I have had little energy to vent to defend my giving her money. Money to you. But you're in luck. Here's $200 in Elon Bucks intercepted from his effort to further subordinate the anti maga sentiment in Wisconsin. Contrary to your exuberant claim of Democrats ruling the state, Republicans have relied on extreme gerrymandering for many years to keep the crazy coming in Wisconsin. It would be wise, or at least in your financial self interest, to make an effort to learn more about things before carelessly turning producers away. Please give all us potsheads some health karma, says Pat Hopple. Now, I think that what we were saying here, Potts, is because I read it, you know, there was an NHS document about pots and we read that, so it's a real thing. They don't know where it comes from. And the claim was that it seems a lot of TikTok women, young, young women, are claiming they have pots because, you know, they weren't eating or whatever. That's. This seems like it's a social contagion to say I have pots. They may have pots. They may. And these women may have all had Covid shots.

[Adam Curry]

Pot shots. I want to mention something else, which is his commentary about my generalizing about Wisconsin being Democrat Run is all you. And the fact is that my doings so resulted in his donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good job.

[Adam Curry]

This happens a lot. I Condemn the Indians for being cheap. The Indians from India, they start giving and they, some of them, you know, say, oh, yeah, well, maybe we're cheap because they are cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to put this into our Value for Value book. Value for Value for dummies. We need to explain how it works.

[Adam Curry]

This is one of the condemned. Or say you can say something wrong too and that'll get attention and give you money. Get some money.

[John C. Dvorak]

No harm meant. Pat. And, and thank you to everyone who set us straight on POTS being a real thing. The social contagion still may be very real. May it? Very real. Wow, I'm having trouble talking today. Very, very real. Here's the karma that you requested. I'm going to add a goat for you because you deserve it. You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Elon. Wait, Elon was bribing the Wisconsinians?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

With 200 bucks in cash app, apparently. Well, isn't that illegal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, now you sound like msnbc. That's illegal what he's doing. It's like a lottery. You can't do that.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bad thing he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't do that.

[Adam Curry]

This is a big, bad person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you all very much, our executive and associate executive producers, for helping us out for episode 1781. We will be thanking the rest of our donors $50 and above in our second session segment. As always, you can go to noagendadonations.com and make a donation of any amount. People like to do the numerology stuff. We're always. It's always fun for us to try and decode it, but we're on to Eli the coffee guy finally after like two years. And thank you. It really does make a difference. It keeps the show going. And these executive and associate executive producer credits, as we said before, are good for the rest of your life. You can use them anywhere that these credits are recognized. Try them out on IMDb.com our formula is this.

[Unknown]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Nicole Sheridan, who was RFK Junior's running mate for. For bit there when he was still running. And of course, she's got the Google money. She made a promise. Here's the promise. And she actually made good on it today.

[Unknown]

Hey, everybody. So EPA administrator Lee Zeldin announced today that his agency will finally release detailed information on geoengineering. If you followed me for a while, you know, this is something I care deeply about, so this feels like the.

[Adam Curry]

Right moment to share.

[Unknown]

I have been speaking with a whistleblower over the past several weeks, who has helped me really understand what's happening in our skies. They've given me information that could shed real light on these programs, who's behind them, where the funding's coming from, and what we can do to stop them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another knowledge in the staple comes true. Then it's all coming out.

[Adam Curry]

Second half a show.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all coming out. I saw the post coming through this morning.

[Adam Curry]

Play the theremin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why should I play the theremin? This is the truth. Is the truth, man. They've been, they've been spraying us like bugs. Like bugs, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, good for her. I'm glad she's somebody spending money on this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you know, we should know about this stuff. And it's going to come out. It's the season of reveal. It's here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have an offbeat clip. Just. Actually, I like to play. I have two clips from Brooks and Capehart from last Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Goodness gracious.

[Adam Curry]

That I really think need to be played.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because this is giving us more insight.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have insight into, into your hate watch. That's the only insight I get.

[Adam Curry]

You play hate watch material. I don't, I don't sit there and complain bitterly and go and do it, do the Aunt Gigi bit on you, but you do it to me constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you do.

[Adam Curry]

Never, never thought it was. Never, never. Find one example. Okay, but here's the tariffs. This is Brooks. He's going to give us a little insight on the tariffs without condemning Trump too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's early days yet. Our latest public inflation numbers are for May. That, that, that's not up to current, so it could be catching up. Second, I think a lot of the reason a lot of them of companies are not passing the costs on to.

[Unknown]

Consumers is because they think they're going.

[John C. Dvorak]

To come down, that Trump's going to change his mind again. And so why should they burn their relationship with the consumer? If Trump's going to pull the tariffs.

[Unknown]

Back, if it becomes clear over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Next three or four months that he's.

[Unknown]

Not going to pull back, then I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think consumers are really going to start seeing high prices. And that's going to be on toys.

[Unknown]

That's going to be on things like car seats.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've learned a lot about car seats in the last month. They're way more expensive than they. I thought they were, at least when my kids were little. But so then if you start paying.

[Unknown]

400, 500 bucks for a car seat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then you notice and then the effect on our politics will be significant. 4 or 500 bucks for a car seat?

[Adam Curry]

What is he talking about, this elitist? When's the last time you bought a car seat?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see what a car seat costs on Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

Is he talking about the children's booster seats so his kids can sit down?

[John C. Dvorak]

Toddlers.

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't have a toddler. The guy's 70.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, here's a car seat for 229.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's not 500.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Here's a decompression cushion, which I think is fine for the kid. Just throw them that for 29 bucks. No, Amazon has a lot of fancy looking Graco brand. Graco brand. Best overall pick 229, 219. So yeah, I don't know. But I mean, yeah, there's.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe he's talking about an actual car. Not that, but an actual car seat. In other words, the seat that you sit in in your.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

It could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe he's just swapping them out randomly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, now you're just going crazy just to justify playing these clips.

[Adam Curry]

Justifying anything. Okay, well, let's listen to Cape Harden. What does he have to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't understand what the President's doing here with. He's taken his 20th century view of tariffs from the 1980s, trying to apply it to a 21st century world.

[Unknown]

No one knows what any of this means.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, David's talking about inflation, higher prices. We just don't know.

[Unknown]

Economists say that the American people are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going to get hammered, that the President telling everyone that we're getting screwed by these other nations and that they're going.

[Unknown]

To pay the tariffs, that just isn't true. And so the thing I keep coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back to on a whole lot of things that the President does, I'm asking the question, why are we not talking about his mental acuity in the way.

[Unknown]

We would if President Biden had been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saying and doing a lot of these erratic things? Wow, that. That train has come and gone. Capehart, really? He wants to go back to that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, how do you get from tariffs to. To acuity? I mean, this guy, these two guys are the worst. They're just crap. And yet there they are on pbs, yakking away. One of them's always there.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. You're mad. You're mad that they're on TV and you only get a 10 minute hit with Chanel. Chanel Rion. So I was one of the Zoomers friends in New York, works for Tory Burch. Are you Familiar with the Tory Burch brand?

[Adam Curry]

Vaguely.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think mainly handbags. Tory Burch handbags.

[Adam Curry]

I have a handbag story coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right after this, so let me just see. What is a Tory Burch handbag? Let me see. Tory Burch, is it B, I, R, C, H? Handbag price? They probably. I'd say they're about 5$600 now they get a little bit cheaper. 3,398for a tote.

[Adam Curry]

398For a cheap tote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tote.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and this particular friend does sourcing and production. So she knew a lot about it. And I said, how have the terrorists affected you? And she's like, yeah, you know, we just ate it. We couldn't raise our prices, so we just ate the 10%. It's not a problem.

[Adam Curry]

I think most people, I'm reminded, I should mention this, I'm reminded about all these analysis. Oh, the terrorists are going to make everything do this and that and oh, we're going to do this. I'm reminded of the Reagan administration. If anybody remembers that far back. I'm probably the only one here that does. But when Reagan ran against George H.W. bush, he was actually running against a number of candidates. And George H.W. who he picked as vice president, was one of his candidates. And he called Reagan's supply side economic theories, which came from Milton Friedman. He called them voodoo economics. Voodoo economics is. None of it's got to work. And of course it worked fine. And then Milton Friedman all of a sudden became a folk hero with all his theories and ideas about inflation and everything in between. And now everyone thinks of Milton Friedman as some sort of a genius. They didn't think so before voodoo economics. So they're doing the same thing here with Trump. They're just making stuff up.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I thought was interesting that she said, you know, we could not raise the price because they would. I guess it's. These things are very price sensitive. We all, we all know, I'm sure the Mini Fleming soft crossbody retailing for 378. It probably costs them $10. Yeah, there are eight, you know, so. And Tory Burch is a certified billionaire. So it's like, you know, it's all right. We, we've been, we've been charging consumers way too much anyway and they just ate it. I said, what are you going to do in the future? We'll just eat it. 10%. It's not a big deal. Even if it's 20. 20%. They are printing money at these outfits.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they are. In Fact, let's play the clip. The top clip on my list. Yes. I don't know what you think. A Jane Birkin.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not Jane Birkin. Okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jane Birkin bag. It is exclusive coveted fashion accessories in the world. The Birkin bag made by Hermes. The large boxy purses come with long, long wait lists. And even used bags can sell for tens of thousands of dollars.

[Unknown]

But if you think that's a lot, well, the original Birkin bag just sold for more than $10 million yesterday at Sotheby's in Paris.

[John C. Dvorak]

This first Birkin bag was made specifically for the late Jane Birkin, the British born singer and actress who became a French icon. She died in 2023 at the age.

[Adam Curry]

Of course I'm right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And her bag comes with quite a.

[Unknown]

Backstory, as Sotheby's tells it. In 1981, Birkin was struggling to cram a wicker basket full of her belongings into an overhead bin on a flight. The contents of her basket, though, spilled into the lap of Jean Louis Dumas, the head of Hermes.

[John C. Dvorak]

The two struck up a conversation about how Birkin needed a bigger bag to lug her things around. And when Dumas asked her to draw a second sketch, she drew one on the air sickness bag from the seat back pocket.

[Unknown]

A few years later, Hermes gifted a prototype of the bag to Birkin and asked if the company could put her name on it. And thus, the Birkin bag was born.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jane Birkin carried her namesake black leather bag for almost a decade. In 1994, she donated it to raise funds for an AIDS charity.

[Unknown]

The legendary prototype was sold with marks and scratches and includes a few unique features from its original owner, like Birkin's initials, JB stamped on the front flap and her dainty pair of nail clippers hanging from its strap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Valuance Japan, a Tokyo based reseller of designed goods, said it paid the $10 million for the bag. All right, I stand corrected. I stand correct.

[Adam Curry]

So who do you think the Birkin bag was named after? Boomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to say Jane Birkin. I stand corrected. I stand corrected. But it also gave me an outstanding idea. Ready? The Dvorak duffel.

[Adam Curry]

I don't use a duffel.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do now. You drew it on the back of a puke bag and now it's the Dvorak duffel. And we also have the Curry Coach now available in the no Agenda Shop.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to hope the no Agenda Shop would do this now. Have you even seen a barf bag on a plane? The last Decade?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There. Yes. Because I've been on a plane in the last decade. Barf bags.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember seeing barf bags. I think they took them off.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're in there. Of course they are. Have you seen.

[Adam Curry]

I've been on planes where there's not even a magazine in that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The magazines are gone. Have you seen someone barf in a barf bag in the last decade?

[Adam Curry]

No, but we had one time we were the family. It was. I think it was Eric. We went to Hawaii, and for some reason, I don't know what happened, but Eric, I think, got sick and he barfed in the barf bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

And then he wrapped. And it has a little clip so you can close it up. And he put it on the. On the ground. And then the plane had a rough landing and the barf bag seemed to have rolled away underneath somebody else's seat. So it was. God knows where it was. We snuck out of the plane as fast as we could. Figure somebody either stepped on it or. What the hell is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no, no. That's wrong. On our flight home yesterday, we actually got a. If there's anyone who has medical qualifications, we could use you in row 23, please. Row 23. And you never want to hear that on the plane.

[Adam Curry]

No. Because it often leads to an emergency landing in the middle of nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it did not. But we actually were delayed by almost an hour, and we are arrived almost on time. Now, they always, you know, skew these times, no matter what. But when we landed, you know, paramedics came on on board right away. You know, they had ems, they had a clinical guy, and. And I guess the woman had fainted. She was fine. She walked off with them. But the pilot then says that was actually kind of cool because I got to fly a lot faster than I usually do. We got full on priority, you know, that we got to a gate, you know, a gate that was empty even though our gate was. Was. Was initially occupied. Yeah. So that was great. More of that, please.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, one, I almost had that opportunity once, but some guy. I had a guy die on the flight next to you? No. God, no. I hope not. No, Some guy died on the flight. It was a big flight. It was a flight from Japan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. They had to put him on ice.

[Adam Curry]

We were over the middle of the Pacific, so they couldn't do it. Anything. There was, you know, they were. And they. They was a doctor on board, luckily, and he pronounced the guy dead on the plane so they didn't have to Land in Hawaii to get him, you know, any help because he was dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

So we flew all the way to San Francisco and then they, you know, they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did they zip them up. Did they zip them up in the.

[Adam Curry]

Bag before taking him out and they rolled him out of the plane before anybody else?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, I mean you get priority when you're dead. It's priority D planing. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So that wasn't pleasant.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I don't even know what we got here.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we got. We were on the. You started with the bag story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think the Dvorak duffel is a winner.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, we got Dvorak duffel on.

[John C. Dvorak]

On track as seen on One America News.

[Adam Curry]

I got the Air India. Oh, the K part stuff. I've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

You did the K part stuff?

[Adam Curry]

You do? Yes, I did. I do have some interesting flood and analysis offbeat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that because, you know, we. This morning it started coming down again like crazy. Hunt county or Hunt, the town of Hunt is now on flood watch it. This thing is not over here. So.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this isn't quite about the flood per se. It's about the FEMA plains that are over there in Texas and there's tons of them. Yes, they're all over the country actually. So you notice it when you look at a map. Yes, but I. This is kind of an interesting. I, I think this is somewhat scandalous. This is the interesting flood info pbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Laura, what is it that you looked.

[Unknown]

At and what did you find?

What we found was a significantly higher risk of flooding in this camp and in this area than the federal government has ever reported. We found that a number of the cabins were. Had an expectation that if a serious storm came, they were going to be inundated. And yet FEMA's maps would have made Americans depend on to know whether or not they have a flood risk. We're not showing this risk. And so when we went and looked at a number of maps that are done by private companies, you can see that if a serious storm came, that this place would be underwater, not only in the main camp, but also off into the new camp that they built recently. And some of these are done by private companies like first street in New York, which was able to show where they expected the water to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the thing that's interesting is that Camp mystic has flooded before at these many, many floods. 32, 78. I mean, it was known. No one wants to listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it was known, but this is where the plot thickens. This is part Two, why the difference?

[Unknown]

Why did these private companies pick it up? And FEMA not.

FEMA does not map rainfall. They are not mapping flash flooding. And they're also not looking forward into what sort of climate predictions might be there coming. FEMA is looking backward. FEMA does not have the mandate from Congress to do this work. And they also, they don't have the funding to do this. So there are wonderful scientists at FEMA that are capable of doing this. They have some of the best data scientists in the world. But they are not mapping this risk the way a lot of the private companies are saying, look, this is a serious risk problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Associated Press had a story out this morning that said that a number of buildings at Camp mystic had been.

[Unknown]

Taken off the list because you write.

[John C. Dvorak]

In your investigation that there are special.

[Unknown]

Interests that can appeal.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does that work?

[Unknown]

NPR and PBS Frontline. We're also reporting this. We have the documents that show that this camp pulled these buildings out of the floodplain. They're saying, we don't want to have these in this risky area, so can you just take them out of your map? And FEMA granted this request for multiple buildings back 15 years ago. This is a significant problem because if you are in the floodplain, then you are required, if you are in a community that belongs to this program and you have a federally backed mortgage, you are required to build to a flood standard. That usually means elevating your house so that you can survive a significant storm like this, a significant flood that's coming through. And if you're outside the flood maps, you don't have to do that work. And that is why a lot of communities sometimes ask to come out of it. And even private owners like this camp requested to come out of the floodplain. And we can see the impact that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That had to be clear.

[Unknown]

They want to get out of the floodplain on paper, but in reality, they're still in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I can tell you why they're doing this and we're seeing this ourselves. And everybody here expects our, our home insurance to go up again. Since we've lived in this house, which is four years, our home insurance has doubled.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's doing this is everywhere. And yes, being in the floodplain makes your insurance go up because it's an excuse to jack up the insurance. But at the same time, everyone's finagling it. Let's listen to clip 3.

[Unknown]

This is happening not just at Camp mystic, but across the country. Country more than two times as many Americans have a flood risk that millions of Americans don't even know they have a flood risk. And that's because FEMA's maps have not been updated with this new information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you said this is also an issue in North Carolina when Hurricane Helene moved through.

[Unknown]

Absolutely. When we were in North Carolina covering Helene, 98% of the people that were affected by the storm were not in fleet as flood maps. This means that not only if they're not in the flood map, they may not have been required to build in a way that could have helped them survive the storm, but also they may not have belonged to the National Flood Insurance Program because there wasn't a requirement for them to do so. And so they're out of luck in that way, too, when it comes to rebuilding.

What's it take to fix this legislation?

We found in our reporting that Congress needs to, to fund this program. They need to fund FEMA to do these maps. But there's a lot of pushback to having these maps updated. A lot of politicians don't want to be the ones that will increase flood insurance rates for people across the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm missing an important detail here. Maybe it's in the fourth clip.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I want to also mention something about, of course, they're trying to twist this whole story so it's Trump's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. How about climate change? That's what I'm waiting for.

[Adam Curry]

They never get to climate change. That's really interesting in this because pbs, that is mostly they're targeting Trump and It's like, well, FEMA's had, FEMA has not done this job well for a long, forever, for a long time. So all of a sudden now because of Trump, it's, it's, it's being, you call attention to it because of Trump. This is nonsense. This whole report really bugs me for that reason. But here we go. Got the last of it.

[Unknown]

But we also found in our reporting that the national association of Homebuilders, home developer lobby groups, even sometimes the national association of Realtors are saying we don't want to see these maps necessarily updated because they want to keep, they say, homes affordable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now with FEMA in limbo under the Trump administration, changes likely, unlikely.

[Unknown]

The cuts to FEMA are making it difficult from the insiders we've talked to to do the work that they want to do. But it is also going to undermin the agency's ability to insist on flood map changes and also insist on resilient building due to climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

They missed an opportunity there, I think.

[Adam Curry]

I think they Were targeting this too much. They didn't want to water it down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, President Trump and First Lady Melania came to Kerrville right down the road to visit. And, and I will say that in general, everyone is pretty happy with how a lot of it's local people. I mean there's, oh man, there must be 3,500, maybe 4,000 volunteers. In fact, there's a meetup this coming Saturday at Java Ranch, also known as Java Hut on Main Street. One of our producers who's coming in from the Netherlands to help with Florida flood relief, he's organizing a meetup there. There's a lot of people who emailed me and people say I'm in Austin, I want to go help. And so it's really been a very heartwarming to see how many people just jumped in to help. And here's a report about the president with some nonsense in here from the president, unfortunately.

[Unknown]

US President Donald Trump was in central Texas on Friday to survey the damage from devastating floods that killed at least 120 people. Trump and first lady Melania began their visit in hard hit Kerrville where they were briefed by local officials. Later, during a town hall, the US President dismissed questions about the federal response to the floods and whether adequate warnings were provided.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think everyone did an incredible job under the circumstances. This was, I guess Christie said, a one in 500 one in a thousand years back and say, oh, what could have happened here or there? You know, maybe we could have done something differently. This was a thing that has never happened before and nobody's ever seen anything. I've never seen anything like this.

[Unknown]

Officials say some 3,400 people are involved in the search for the 160 people that are still missing.

[Adam Curry]

The search for the missing continues. The people that are doing it are unbelievable. People that you couldn't get better people than this anywhere, Christy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Anywhere in the world you couldn't get better people. And they're doing the job like I don't think anybody else could, frankly. And I want to thank them. I want to thank all of these great first responders who raced into very grave danger. We have some people that were incredible. The single Coast Guard rescue crew saved an incredible 169 children at Camp Mystic. 169. We're also taking historic action to ensure that such a nightmare never happens again. And we're going to look and see how can a thing like this, they could say it's a hundred year. Somebody says it's a 500 year event. No, we're not going to let a thing like this happen again where it can wreak this kind of devastation.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no stopping it. President Trump, there's no stopping this. One of the guys at our church, Mark deweiss, he has equipment and he went down there, he says he uncovered 10 bodies in the rubble. This is a mess. And of course now, and I feel a lot more what the people of western North Carolina, Asheville, what they all went through because it disappears from the news, but it just stays and it goes. This will be months, months still of cleanup. It's, it's an unbelievable mess. Video doesn't do it just justice. And yeah, it'll happen again in five to 10 years.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it happens over and over.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does. But we should be allowed to saying.

[Adam Curry]

It'S every thousand years. That that does. That doesn't help at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's a lie and it's a lie.

[Adam Curry]

Here's a little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just give you one little interesting tidbit? Speaking of churches, you know, we have the new irs, which means much less people. I'm not quite sure exactly what President Trump did, But Monday the IRS said, and this is very interesting because since the 1950s, I think this has not been legal due to the Johnson Amendment. The IRS said on Monday churches and other houses of worship can endorse political candidates to their congregation. Congregations carving out an exemption in a decades old ban on political activity by tax exempt nonprofits. They say the communications from a house of worship to its congregation in connection with religious services through its usual channels of communication on matters of faith, do not run afoul of the Johnson amendment as properly interpreted. That's a big 1954 is when Johnson interpreted introduce that. That's a big change.

[Adam Curry]

It'll be interesting to see how it works with the televangelists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I guess it comes down to what's your normal mode of communication, but they're pretty clear houses of worship. So I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

House of televangelists is a house of worship with yes, yes, 16,000 people. Man, some of these mega churches, audience of millions. Millions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. It'll be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that. Anyway, here's an. I like to do unreported news, in other words, kind of scandalous little stories that just never get played by anybody. I do not understand the editors of this country why these things don't go up. But I don't think you've heard this one. This is the unreported United nations corruption story.

[Unknown]

The Trump administration today announcing sanctions on a United nations investigator. Francisca Albanese is the UN Special rapidor for the west bank and Gaza. Albanese has previously prompted the International Criminal Court to take action against US And Israeli officials, companies and executives. Secretary of State Marco Rubio says her efforts were illegitimate. In recent weeks, Albanese has urged other countries to pressure Israel, including through sanctions. Rubio today wrote Albanese's campaign of political and economic warfare against the United States and Israel will no longer be tolerated. Rubio added that the US Will continue to take necessary actions to respond to what he calls lawfare against the U.S. rubio says that's to protect America's sovereignty and that of its allies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. That corrupt UN official Gambling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing. Yeah. All right, let's wrap it up with some TikTok clips, John. Might as well. I know you're chomping at the bit.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I don't know. We could skip them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do one. Do your favorite. Do your favorite.

[Adam Curry]

What's the good one here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, they're all none. What's the good one? Not a single one of them.

[Adam Curry]

I think the Civil war one is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Maga. Don't you understand? If we have another civil war, all.

[Unknown]

The blue states will control all the fresh water.

[Adam Curry]

You guys don't think this through, do you?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's great. Is that true? No.

[Adam Curry]

There's fresh water all over the place. And the blue states control mostly there on the coast. Ocean water. Yeah, which nobody uses to drink. I mean, Washington state gets a lot of fresh water. California is a drought state.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. All right, would you please do the stolen land lady? Because I saw you tweeting this on X all week. Oh, what's wrong with these people? These people? What? You put your. They're one chat GP session away from going insane. That's what I'll tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Ok, this is the profane scold. She's a scold.

[Unknown]

I don't want to hear another white person say the word illegal for the rest of my goddamn life. We are living on stolen land. Our ancestors forcibly and violently seized this land from the indigenous peoples who were living here for generations before we ever showed up. We do not get to call them illegal. We don't own the fucking planet. Nobody does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, brother.

[Unknown]

We are evolved monkeys with opposable thumbs who use them to write little monkey scribbles on a slice of tree and we call it a birth certificate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Didn't you already play this one? Is this old? The Opposable thumbs thing. Is this a script?

[Adam Curry]

It could be.

[Unknown]

With our little monkey sounds. All of it is made up. None of it is real and it doesn't fucking matter. And it's certainly not a valid reason to rip a terrified screaming child away from his weeping mother. And I am tired of being made to feel like I'm crazy for being angry about this. Capitalism is just narcissism as an economic system. Imperialism is just narcissism as a foreign policy. If the lion can't claim the safari for himself and call the elephant illegal, then neither the fuck can we.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry I even asked for this one.

[Adam Curry]

Now you requested it. I mean, it was profane.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. I did not, like put a.

[Adam Curry]

Not safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Now I have to mark the episode as explicit. Oh, thanks. I'm going to show my support by.

[Adam Curry]

Donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

On no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just remember, you can find him on TikTok or on X.com under the Real Dvorak. You can.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the real Dvorak. I lost a whole bunch of people. For some unknown reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole thing is rigged. You are still at 100 plus and I'm still stuck at 98.8 thousand. I cannot get over 100.

[Adam Curry]

That's because they're limiters. I'm sure of it now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I mean even the Epstein stuff disappeared from my timeline like overnight. Totally rigged.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's rigged.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's rigged. Hey, John's going to tell us who supported us. Above $50. The rest of our list for today.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Starting with Breakwater Yacht Maintenance. There you go. Now there's a company, Breakwater Yacht Maintenance. And where are they? They're in Mystic, Connecticut. Where you would have an operation like this? That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it.

[Adam Curry]

105. 3:35.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you need some maintenance on your yacht, we have you covered.

[Adam Curry]

They can do it. They can do it. They can do it. They can take care of your yacht.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And also give you some orange juice. Tony Pace in Houston, Texas. 100 MK Ultra Mark in the Bronx. 100. Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina. You know what he is? He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America. And Melons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, melons.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, melons. 8008. Rocket Boy in Brownsboro, Alabama. 6935. That's a Gen X donation. Which is 65. 80 plus fee. 6580. 6580. That means you're born between 65 and 80, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Plus that makes sense. Okay, that's also a birthday call out. He's got it for himself. Dad. Dame Rita Sparks, Nevada. 6757. Jennifer Fox. Follow Will. Follow Will in Peoria, Arizona.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

6580. Another call out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gen X donation. Did you write this somewhere that this 6580 has popped up? This is new numerology to me. I like it. No, I like it. 6580. That's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

6580 for your gen X. I have no idea where this came from. I didn't come up with it. Now we have two. Almost two in a row. Except for Dan. Rita in the middle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Sandwich. Jennifer's got a birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Dector, 5678. We're going to push this. I like this. We're going to push this. 6585.

[John C. Dvorak]

80. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Dector, 5678. Lydia Terry in Rochester, New Hampshire. 5623. Holly Taylor in Coeur d', Alene, Idaho. 5272. And that's a happy birthday to her smoking hot boyfriend, Jeff. Mike moon in Athens, Georgia. Whoa. Holy mackerel. We're at the 50s already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we are.

[Adam Curry]

So we had a total of 28 donations today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it is. You know, why is that stable? Coin, NTD clips about Falun Gong.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that didn't help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did not help. No.

[Adam Curry]

Mike Moon in Athens, Georgia. Tim Del Vecchio Bland in Pennsylvania. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California. Dame Patricia Worthington, our regular in Miami, Florida. Brandon Savoy in Port Orchard, Washington. Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington. And last on the list is Travis Fierstein in Costa Mes. Costa Mesa, California. And he's got his name note saying 25th, June, July. Okay, all right. Maybe code for something. I should read it out. All right, that's our group of well wishers, contributors to show 1781.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you to those who came in under $50 for reasons of anonymity. We'll never mess it up and we'll never read anything under the 50. We see you 49, 99. And of course, our sustaining donors who have decided to go either on a night or Dame layaway program or just like to support us with any random amount, any frequency. You can do all of [e-mail]. anything is appreciated. All you have to do is just send back the value you perceive that you got from the show. It's that simple. No agenda donations.com also kind of a short list. Jennifer Followell, which is sister Julie Null, a very happy 45th and she'll be celebrating tomorrow. Rocket Boy also celebrating his birthday tomorrow. And Holly Taylor, happy birthday to her son smokin hot boyfriend Jeff. He celebrates on the 15th. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the Universe. Our top two executive producers today also receive PhDs Mike Musgrave and Thomas Flanagan. Both of you go to noagendarings.com and please let us know if you want your night ring as well. If you want your official nighting and send us a note with your name. You might as well put that on the form there when you send us in what you want on your screen certificate and where you'd like it sent to. We are happy to oblige. Congratulations with these freshly minted PhDs in media deconstruction. Well, as I mentioned, we'll have an impromptu meetup this coming Saturday. Evert Bop will come in from the Netherlands. He's actually in Texas already and he is helping out with the cleanup efforts and I guess some rescue efforts still or search efforts in in Kerr County. He'll be at Java ranch Saturday between 2 to 5. And I will definitely stop by. I'm also asking Willie to stop by so you can see the famous Willie the Chess Master. We have a meetup report from Victoria.

[Adam Curry]

So welcome to Taverns here at the Lighthouse Brewery. I am here with Winston Smith or Tim. Or Tim. And we're here for the, for the Victoria meetup. And, and this meetup will happen again in two weeks. So we want to get a few.

[John C. Dvorak]

More people out here.

[Adam Curry]

So think about it. In two weeks time we will be out here for the no agenda meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

No AgendaMeetups.com is where you can find all of the meetups. We do have one taking place today. It's underway as we speak. Evergreen Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania on the list for July, Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 19th. Albany, California. That's the big one where John's coming out on the 19th as well. Victoria, British Columbia on the 25th. Anaheim, California, Leo Bravo on the 26th Alfredo, Georgia on the 31st. And many more ahead. Many more meetups happening throughout the dog days of summer which are coming up. If you'd like to know where, go to no agendameetups.com we got a fantastic calendar there. You can search by location, you can search by date and if you can't find something that is near you, why don't you go ahead and start one yourself. It's easy. Easy. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell Lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I got a lot of ISOs, but I. I think I'm just going to try my best ones on you and see if you like, like those. Because people are. Now they're mad. They're like, ah, we got to do some ISO. We got to get John out of the isosphere. It's no good what John's doing.

[Adam Curry]

The isosphere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isosphere. Here's my first. It's that good. I kind of like that one. And that was a. Obviously an edited ISO. And this one, there was a whole.

[Unknown]

Lot of value in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, come on.

[Adam Curry]

You know, if you're gonna. Editing the ISO.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't edit the ISO is no.

[Adam Curry]

Different than doing an AI ISO. It seems to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, you didn't like that? This. That one wasn't edited.

[Unknown]

There was a whole lot of value in there.

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't. That was okay. But I actually liked the edited one better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you did?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We could have a funny laugh at the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'll leave it at those. I want to give it to you.

[Adam Curry]

Those two. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay. You want to hear more? I got more. No problem. Here's more.

[Unknown]

Oh my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good show, boys.

[Unknown]

I need a cigarette.

[Adam Curry]

That sounds like AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't do that one. Let's see, we get this one.

[Unknown]

Are we still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still talking about that? I don't know if that's AI or not. Here's another one.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be. Bye bye. Bye bye. That's good old Alex. We have this one.

[Adam Curry]

Hello.

[Unknown]

And what the heck is going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I got.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wait, one more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Powered by AI thanks to John. Let's hear that one again. Powered by AI thanks to John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I kind of like that one. All right, what do you have?

[Adam Curry]

So I do have an AI one. Actually they're both AI, but I try to be a little different. Try the one I like is the best.

[Unknown]

Best show in five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's not as good as the Alex one. No. And then there's five. This one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Then there's this one.

[Unknown]

The show made me fart.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're really searching now, I think. Bye bye. I think that's. Alex is just. He's always a I think you have.

[Adam Curry]

To go with no doubt about anyone who has polyps and makes a living out of it. I. I'm all in. And sometimes. Adam Created by Dana Burnetti There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time for John's tip of the day, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a follow up tip to the last one for the blackout folk. This is a really cool product. And these are called. You can look them up on Amazon. There's a bunch of different people that make them. They're out of China, obviously. There's nobody. In fact, mine's particularly out of China because they can't even put the wheel wording right. But these are emergency use light bulbs and they are regular, like a regular LED light bulb. They look exactly the same, except they have a battery, a chargeable battery inside. And so if the power goes out, the circuit stays connected and the light bulb stays lit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. If you. In fact, if you take a piece of aluminum foil and put it over the bottom, the connections at the bottom. And they also have these little connectors you can put on the bottom with a little click switch. You can click them on and off. The thing stays lit. So when the power goes off, then you need just one in. I'd say one in any room or one in a room that you're in a lot. If you're going to be worried about having to do a wall crawl to get to a flashlight, which I had to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this another Mimi tip of the day where she's so worried about.

[Adam Curry]

You got me these? Yes. Yeah. Mimi got me the bulbs and she got me the thing from last show because she's worried sick that I'm gonna. I don't know what.

[John C. Dvorak]

She died. You're gonna die in a horror.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna die. Flashlight. So open a window. So. So they come. They're cheap. Just like this six pack of BO recruit. There was like 20 bucks for six of them. And. But there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, can you. Can you put this in your mouth like Uncle Fester?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you could. And you would. You'd put it in your mouth and then you'd use your tongue and you'd make the computer complete the circuit of the. On the bulb screw. And it would light it up. I never thought of that. But I don't know if you're going to get a jolt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's an idea. On your next hit on the Chanel Ryan show, you just do that at the end.

[Adam Curry]

Just pop that bulb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Make it. Come on. Come on, man. That'd be fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Come on, get Some noted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey, Chanel, Watch this. And then just pop it in your mouth. Now you're talking ahead, everybody. That is John's tip of the day. Find them [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, we've got ideas. A dozen a minute. We just got it all for you. And that does conclude our broadcast day from a still very wet hill country, Texas. Thank you all for tuning in. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting us. We appreciate any support. @noagendadonations.com we have end of show mixes from sound guy Steve. Love to see him back. Oystein Berger checks in. Oystein has his seasons mixed up. He's got a Christmas tune, but it's all original. No AI in these end of show mixes. And also Jason Lewis. It's all Epstein oriented. You will love it. Coming up next on noagendastream.com trollroom IO is Nick the Rat speaking of the devil. And this is his summer's douche episode from the sewers of New York City. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry here from northern Silicon Valley, where we're encouraging you to go to noagendadonations.com and help us out. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see y' all on Thursday. Until then, adios, mofos. A hooey, hooey and such.

[Adam Curry]

The golden age of America begins right now. Again, it's the biggest bill ever signed of his kind. Trump. Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump. Trump.

[Unknown]

Stick it into the Sticking it to the media, sticking it to the elite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Trump is in charge.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've always known that he had his hold on. The Republican Party is firm.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump is weaponizing the Department of Justice against his political enemies.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we are getting more and more pro. He now has total control of Washington.

[Unknown]

President Trump was visibly annoyed after a New York Post reporter asked about Jeffrey Epstein during a cabinet meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump says he's been advised to be nicer, but says he doesn't care.

[Adam Curry]

These are the kind of guys you.

[Unknown]

Like to smack in the ass.

[Adam Curry]

Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

[John C. Dvorak]

You better watch out, you better not cry. Better get dressed. I'm telling you why Prince Andrew is coming to town. He was on the list and they checked it twice and then it was gone. Oh, what a surprise. Epstein's client list is no more. They saw when he was sleeping. They knew when he he was awake and he did really kill himself, so shut up for goodness sake? Oh, you better watch out? You better not cry? Better hide your kids? I'm telling you why G? Slane is coming to town? Even though Epstein's passed on now we still don't know the name is all the list of on Bonnie's desk? All gone tossed along the way and the manifest shut? All the assets were run by the Sea Light? Now kiss? Don't matter? Cuz we'll never be the same? Don't belong to no one that's ashamed? Max will still in prison safely for a while? She won't tell no one, no? She won't tell no name.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Audio Mofo? Devorak.

[Adam Curry]

Org?

[John C. Dvorak]

Na Bye bye.