1783 - "Dadgum"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show Episode 1783 - "Dadgum"

Release Date: July 20, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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1. Community Meetups and Declining Participation

Discussion:
Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak delve into the noticeable decline in community meetups worldwide. Mimi, a recurring contributor, has observed a significant drop in attendance, a trend attributed to "meetup fatigue." The hosts explore reasons behind this decline, including the overreliance on online chat groups and the diminishing in-person engagement.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (07:27): "It's a global thing. Oh, no."

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2. Case Study: Texas Flood Meetups and Starlink

Discussion:
The hosts recount a special meetup organized by Evert Bopp, who runs Disaster Tech Lab. During the Texas floods in Kerr County, Bopp set up mesh Wi-Fi networks for disaster communication. However, he faced challenges securing discounts from Starlink, which insisted on full retail pricing despite being a nonprofit initiative.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (05:00): "Starlink. No deals for the nonprofit. The guy going down there in the disaster area."

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3. Media Deconstruction: Cancellation of Stephen Colbert's Show

Discussion:
A significant portion of the episode focuses on the abrupt cancellation of "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert." The hosts suggest that financial losses and political pressures, possibly from the Trump administration, influenced CBS's decision. They highlight Colbert's role as a staunch Trump critic and speculate on the motivations behind his show's termination.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (16:27): "And now hearing that that show is canceled, Brian Stelter's out front. I mean, Brian, what more are you learning..."

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4. Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump: Unraveling Connections

Discussion:
Adam and John examine the complex relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. They discuss Epstein's 2006 birthday note allegedly linked to Trump, the lack of evidence post-2004 indicating ongoing interactions, and the broader implications of media narratives surrounding their association.

Notable Quote:
Adam Curry (51:51): "The article in the Wall Street Journal describes the..."

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5. 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: Funding Cuts and Implications

Discussion:
The hosts address recent developments surrounding the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. They critique the Trump administration's decision to cut funding for the LGBTQI+ specific services of the lifeline, arguing it undermines mental health support. The conversation includes an analysis of geographical disparities in 988 usage and the potential impact of reduced funding on vulnerable populations.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (83:14): "If you're having conversations with your chat GPT or any chat bot, you've been biohacked and you need to check yourself."

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6. AI-Induced Psychosis and Cultural Impacts

Discussion:
A segment is dedicated to the phenomenon of "ChatGPT-induced psychosis," where individuals become overly attached or delusional about interacting with AI chatbots. The hosts draw parallels to historical media portrayals of AI, expressing concerns about societal reliance on artificial intelligence for emotional and psychological interactions.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (80:53): "If you're having conversation, if you're working, if you're having conversations with your chat GPT or any chat bot, you have been biohacked and you need to check yourself."

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7. Climate Change and National Cancer Institute Funding Cuts

Discussion:
John and Adam critique the Trump administration's funding reductions for the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and broader NIH research. They argue that these cuts jeopardize ongoing cancer research and hinder advancements in treatment, despite NCI's pivotal role in reducing cancer mortality rates over the decades.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (123:22): "We need to look at our own culture. And how did we get to this point outside of the R people? It's really sick."

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8. Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk's Influence

Discussion:
The podcast shifts focus to Turning Point USA, highlighting Charlie Kirk's influence as a self-promoter and debater. The hosts discuss the organization's success in mobilizing youth and its significant financial backing, suggesting that its strategic marketing and event organization set it apart from Democratic counterparts.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (171:32): "They fly them in, put them up, take care of them. And it's. Without a doubt, it's a very, very successful group."

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9. Donor Acknowledgments and Community Support

Note:
As per the user's request, advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections, including donor acknowledgments, have been omitted from this summary to maintain focus on the substantive discussions of the episode.

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10. Closing Remarks: A Call to Action

Discussion:
The hosts encourage listeners to support the podcast through a value-for-value model, emphasizing the importance of community support in sustaining independent media.

Notable Quote:
John C. Dvorak (175:15): "You can go to noagendadonations.com to support us value for value. Any amount, any, anytime."

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Conclusion:
Episode 1783 of the No Agenda Show, titled "Dadgum," offers a multifaceted exploration of current events, media dynamics, and societal issues. Through in-depth discussions and critical analysis, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak engage listeners in understanding the complexities of media influence, political maneuvers, and the evolving landscape of community engagement.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Look what you got there. I see what you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, July 20, 2025. This is your award winning Gimmonation Media Assassination Episode 1783. This is no Agenda posing for the Kiss cam and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, we're trying to bring back the term Daddy O. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crack. See, I was going to try and slip it in during the show, but now you've given it away. I thought it was a good idea. Bring back Daddy O. Hey, Daddy. Because it's a vibe, man. It's a vibe.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so we got a note from some guy explaining vibe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's a vibe. Not just vibe. It's a vibe. You got to say it right? It's a vibe.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not saying it at all. It's interesting, I guess. I don't think it has legs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what do you mean? This is all over the place. It's already. Oh, it's. It's in.

[Adam Curry]

I've never heard it except on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't expect people to say it at Costco, you know. Hey, hey, man, that wine, it's a vibe. It's a vibe, man, that wine's a vibe.

[Adam Curry]

They don't say it the Chevron station.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well. Hey, how was your meetup? You had to get John out of the. Out of the house. House meetup.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't as good as it usually is, but it was okay. We got. They're generous. At least this group. I'll read the. I have the meetup stuff that I'll read during the donation segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it said they were generous. But it wasn't good.

[Adam Curry]

It would. No, they were generous, but the numbers were like 20 people, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, my meetup was exactly six, including me.

[Adam Curry]

How many?

[John C. Dvorak]

Six.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, this brings us to a point of discussion then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay, but remind me to tell you about the meetup because it was a special kind of meetup. So go ahead with your point of discussion.

[Adam Curry]

A special kind of meetup? What the. Was it some sort of cabal, Gay cabal thing or something like that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, John, that's exactly right. That makes so much sense. A gay cabal in Fredericksburg, Texas? Yeah, that's what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

It could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this was organized by Evert Bopp.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is your Dutch guy? This is the Dutch cabal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. But you know what? This Dutch cabal is so avert who spooks. No. He has a nonprofit called Disaster Tech Lab, disastertechlab.org and he goes all over the world whenever there's a disaster. He brings in WI FI networks. So he brings in. He has all this donated gear, and he. So of course, he was here for the. For the floods in Kerr County. And he was in Hunt and Centerpoint. And he sets up these huge mesh networks so people can communicate.

[Adam Curry]

That's. That's cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very cool. And he's been doing it for 15 years. He said, well, it's the first time I've been here, and since I was just down the road, I figured, might as well do a meetup. And Texas Slim came. Texas Slim. He was taking $10,000 worth of ground beef down to the Mercy Chefs to feed all of the volunteers and first responders. And let's see, we had Richard from Austin. He's a coder. He came up. And of course, we had Willie. Willie, my. My. My chess partner. He showed up as well.

[Adam Curry]

So Mimi has a friend that's something like this, a woman who goes to disaster zones, and she's a specialist. She has a kind of a. I guess a horde or a group of cadaver dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, and, boy, we need him. We own. They only had one dog, which is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this woman should have known about this. That idea, because she'd be down there. She has these cadaver dogs, and I guess they're. There's like three German Shepherds or whatever dog it is, and they just are experts at this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Efert was telling us some of. Some of the horror stories, which I won't repeat, of what people were finding. It was not great.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's gross.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, very gross. But it was a nice meetup. And so I said, so you know who funds it? Well, we have individual donors. We have some government support, but not very much. He gets all of his gear donated except for one company. So all the WI fi. And he leaves it behind. So it's donated. He leaves it behind. He gets new gear. Guess which company doesn't donate and charges full retail price for everything he does.

[Adam Curry]

Starlink.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. He says, hey, can I get a discount? No. Best price, you pay now. Starlink. Starlink. No deals for the nonprofit. The guy. The guy going down there in the disaster area. And then he said, you know, I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T think Starlink's taking a beating on the technology anyway. They can't afford to give up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure they are. And he said, you know, and I was in and said, so what's it like on the ground? The government people, they're just in the way. They suck. And he was, you know, he says, in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a shocker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. He says, you guys in Texas are well organized. And he even told the story about how he was invited to go to the White House. He said, so I walk in and it's basically a huge zoom call with all of the regional FEMA managers. And they're all. And they're listening to his story and they go like, yeah, yeah, we really want to hear how we can innovate. What can we do to innovate? He's like, well, why don't you deploy the stuff that works today? The stuff that I'm doing. Do that. And of course, the government bozos. I don't want to say they're all bozos. Yeah, well, no, they want. They want to buy stuff. Oh, you got to innovate. We got to do something. We got a budget. We got to spend money.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you got to spend the taxpayers money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got to spend the money. Yeah. He says it was really disappointing, but he's been all over. Very interesting guy. So anyway, that was just a fun meetup. Now, you wanted to discuss meetups briefly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Mimi's noticing that there's been a fall off in the number of meetups that people are happening. And this meetup that the Albany meetup was interesting because Steve had taught. I talked to Steve, who's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Recalcitint. Crazy Steve.

[Adam Curry]

Recalcitrant Steve. And he said there's a bunch of RSVPs that didn't show up. There's a couple of people I expected to see. They didn't show up. It was gloomy, though. I mean, we have a Bay Area. It was gloomy July.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was gloomy.

[Adam Curry]

It was gloomy and gloomy. But Mimi's noticing that the huge drop off in meetups. Next one's on the 25th, that she, I think, documents coming up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But is she saying this is across the board meetups?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. It's like worldwide phenomenon.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a global thing. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm thinking that this is, you know, there's a mood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. It's a mood. Okay. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But it's a worldwide depression. I'm blaming Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do tell.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know why I'm blaming him, but he's a good guy to blame.

[John C. Dvorak]

As good a guy as any to blame for. Hey, stop it.

[Adam Curry]

I Mean, you blame the president as the guy who sets some sort of a standard and whatever. And I'm not blaming him the way the Midas touch might, but for everything, you know, from the guy has a bad bowel movement, he blames Trump. I mean, that's a terrible podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great podcast, but the.

[Adam Curry]

It's noticeable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

And that's why your number doesn't surprise me at all. You. I don't care. You're there. There's enough. You have enough locals. There's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Parker came. Parker, he's local. Parker, you have a.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't know that number should have been 40.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we only had like two show advance warning. So, you know, it takes a lot of. It takes a lot of promotion to get people to come out. And Richard was a first timer.

[Adam Curry]

Relating this to my experience, the lack of the people at rcp, Steve, who. I don't even know why you bothered doing that at the Mallard, but he did that anyway. And they didn't show up. And the people that I expect to see, it didn't show up. And Mimi's noticeable. She notices a worldwide basis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a couple of things that are happening. One is, you know, meetups used to be very sparse, and then it would be like, oh, okay, there's a meetup. I'm going to go. Because it'd be once every six months or something. Now people are doing them often, so they're repeats. And, you know, people have other things.

[Adam Curry]

You'Re going to think you're. What you're going to go toward is meetup, burnout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meetup fatigue. Meetup fatigue.

[Adam Curry]

I like burnout better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So that could be part of it also a lot. There's, you know, what is permeating throughout all of culture right now is these meetups. They all put together chat groups. Okay. So they have. Okay, so they have chat groups, they have telegram channels, and they're all doing all their thing there. And so they really have nothing to discuss when they show up in person. And they're a little bit wary because now they know all of these, how these people really think. Because, of course, what is the number one topic on every single no agenda group.

[Adam Curry]

But Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course. Mossad. Blackmail. Yeah. Jews. I mean, Jews. Yeah. So. So I think people are also just like, ah, I don't. I don't feel like talking about this stuff anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that's a rationalization, and I'll tell you why I say that. It's a good rationalization. I think it's reasonable. It reminds me of stock market analysis. This market goes up for this reason. The market goes down for the same reason. How does that make sense? Somebody sent me a video today of this red light district. A long film from this month. The red light district in Thailand. Walkthrough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, wait a minute. Where in Thailand? It's rather big place.

[Adam Curry]

I've been to a the red light district. Got a name? I can look it up. No, it's not that I can tell you what it is because they have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them all over the place.

[Adam Curry]

No, but the big one, if you can look it up, it's Pat Pong. It. It's Pattaya.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pattaya. But whatever Pattaya is, is a tourist destination.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it's a red light district.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it's a tourist destination. You're right. It's notorious. You just Google it. P A T T A Y A. So this guy took a video and he's walking through the area. There's, I'd say thousands of hookers and hundreds and hundreds of nightclubs. I've seen areas like this around the world, and it's just like loaded with nightclubs and hookers. Nobody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's empty.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody's there. And he's walking. This guy is some British guy and he's walking through the area. It's a long film. It's like, I got it up here. It's 30 minutes walking around and there's literally. I mean, there's a few motorcycles go by, you know, motor scooters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, are these. Are these the girls that have the number badges on?

[Adam Curry]

They have all kinds of different. Some of them holds up signs. There's thousands of them. But the point is, the point I'm making here, not about the girls or how they sell themselves, but it's the fact that the place was empty.

[John C. Dvorak]

So hooker meetups are also down.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm thinking that there's a downturn in. You know, there's always these discussions about, you know, people aren't coupling up anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. You nailed it. You nailed it. Everybody's sitting at home on talking to their chatbot. They don't have any more anything left to say. They've already told Chad GPT about it and Annie. They're all talked out.

[Adam Curry]

It's a possibility.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But it's a worldwide phenomenon, so it's happening on our meetups where this is not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's not like we can do anything about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we can bitch and moan.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what we do, it doesn't help. Also, people.

[Adam Curry]

Makes me feel better.

[John C. Dvorak]

People are afraid to go out. Like you go to a Coldplay concert and all of a sudden you're on the kiss cam and you're divorced.

[Adam Curry]

The best story of the week.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's. That was really interesting because that dominated social media with memes and apparently there's.

[Adam Curry]

A good reason for it because pointed out the hypocrisy of the HR departments. The. The lack of, you know, you can't mingle in the office, even though some people think it's a good idea, but it's against the rules and the basic hypocrisy and then the embarrassment, which would like a lot of. Almost everybody says the same thing. There was a Coldplay concert. If they hadn't freaked out. If they hadn't. Which is embarrassing enough to go to, but if they hadn't have freaked out. The girl, by the way, is the one who panicked immediately. And then he. The guy ditched himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see that? Some baseball games had a Coldplay cam. And then they focused.

[Adam Curry]

No, I didn't go this.

[John C. Dvorak]

They focus in on people and then they'd immediately dive down and hide. You know, even the players. They were on the Coldplay cab. They ran back into the dugout.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's also, you know, we live in such a broken world where everybody either knows what it's like to get caught cheating, is currently cheating, or has thought about cheating. I think it was very relatable.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was pretty funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then to be caught cheating with your HR lady at a Coldplay concert, it's like a triple threat. It's the worst thing you can imagine.

[Adam Curry]

You can't beat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't get much worse. Really was. Really was. Well, then we have the. The story that Everybody in. In M5M. Remember, we are a media deconstruction podcast. We have to talk about this because they were losing their ever loving minds over it. And everybody of course, related it immediately to the President due to a number of confluences and things happening with. With media. And this is the cancellation of the Colbert Show.

[Unknown]

Breaking news. CBS is canceling the Late show with Stephen Colbert. Colbert just making the shocking announcement at his show taping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shocking.

[Unknown]

Now, it's unclear why the show is canceled, but it comes after Colbert spoke out again.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just got to listen to it because that's the whole point of playing these clips at all.

[Unknown]

Against his parent company, Paramount's $16 million settlement over the editing of a 60 Minutes interview. In fact, here's what Colbert said just a few days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I believe this kind of complicated financial settlement with a sitting government official.

[Unknown]

Has a technical name in legal circles.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's big fat bribe. Because this all comes as Paramount's owners are trying to get the Trump administration to approve the sale of our network to a new owner, Skydance. So they bring on their own media deconstructionist, the one and only Brian Seltzer Water, to discuss what's really going on.

[Unknown]

And now hearing that that show is canceled, Brian Stelter's out front.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, Brian, I love the cadence. And now hearing that that show, show is canceled. Oh no, it's canceled.

[Unknown]

And now hearing that that show is canceled, Brian Stelter's out front. I mean, Brian, what more are you learning, Brian, about what is frankly a stunning announcement?

[Adam Curry]

Brian, what she said. I mean, Brian, what is that? Sentence poster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she did that too. This is a new thing. Well, this is when they really don't, I think you say, I mean, Brian, I mean Adam, I mean like, come on, it's like crap. I mean like, this is no good.

[Unknown]

Brian Stelter's out front. I mean, Brian, what more are you learning about what is frankly a stunning announcement? When we were talking about it, just found out about it here in this outbreak, I said, wait, what? Absolutely what, what just happened? It really doesn't make any sense from the normal business logic of television. Goes like this. Stephen Colbert is the highest rated program in late night television. He beats his competitors. He's been going at it for 10 years and frankly, he's been on a hot streak lately. So by the business logic of television, normally he would be in a very safe spot. However, CBS says this is a financial decision given the difficulties with the entire late night sector. And there is some truth to that explanation. I reported a couple of years ago about the Late Late show ending with James Corden because it wasn't profitable anymore. So there might be some, some rationale to this CBS announcement, but almost everybody, upon hearing about this, is connecting it to the Paramount settlement from everybody. As you said, it was just two weeks ago that President Trump struck a deal with the parent of CBS, that $60 million settlement. Of course, Trump later said that there were other terms on top of the 16 million he referenced getting public service announcements from CBS, for example. And all this comes as one owner of cbs, Shari Redstone, is about to hand off to a new owner, David Ellistone, excuse me, David Ellison Co. Skydance. There have been speculation raging online for the last Two weeks about whether Skydance was going to try to push Colbert out. In fact, this had been such a hot topic that Colbert came back from vacation on Monday and he made jokes about it. He said he had a new mustache and so the new owners wouldn't be able to find him. So on Monday, Colbert was joking about possibly being in danger. On Wednesday, he found out his show was being canceled. Today, he announced it. And this all takes effect next May. Aaron. So he does have one more season, but this means one of these staunchest Trump critics on television will be leaving.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, you did the exact same thing that I did is like, huh, I wonder. First of all, we heard 2.1 million people watching. 2, 200 people on staff. And I don't think those are shared resources. You know, you got the studio and everything. It's every single day. And, you know, I did the same thing. Like, what. What's in the demo? And the demo is. It was like, I think you had 200,000 in the newsletter. I think I came up with 230. 231,000. I mean, we have more people in the demo on this podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're losing. Corey. This is. I thought I wrote up a fairly good analysis in the newsletter. People should be a subscriber. I don't get it that they don't. But they mentioned this. They lost four. They've been losing $40 million a year on this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your issue right there.

[Adam Curry]

And there's your issue. And the numbers suck. If he gets 2 million viewers, Gutfeld gets at least three. And he only has 60 million households. And they have 300 million households. Doesn't make any sense. Gutfeld's got 30 people. He's got 200 even.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's too much. 30 people probably for that show. Someone to polish his shoes. I mean, what. What do you do with 200 people?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea what you do with 200 people. And if. And then if you. It all traces back to Johnny Carson. I have his numbers. He would typically was doing 17. 17 million a show up to 45 million a show, as opposed to 2 million. It's untenable. It's stupid. Well, what's it. And they're making a big fuss. I, by the way, I do have Colbert's total.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we have that. We got that. The whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, I have the whole thing. But I clipped it way down because there was too much hooting. Asides. I took the asides out and I took the hoots out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, can I Just say one thing.

[Adam Curry]

You can say whatever you want. Say two things.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'll just say one thing, if that's okay. Late Night lost their entire audience during the writers strike. Everybody got on TikTok at night. It was the height of TikTok and they never came back. And why would they? It's much more entertaining than to hear him just gripe and moan and watch the, you know, two segments with a film clip. The format is old. It's beat, you know, the kids.

[Adam Curry]

As I point out in the in the essay, the format was started by Steve Allen in 1954 and has not changed since. That's 70 years of the same old, same old. No wonder it's dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And, you know, it's all pre interview questions, so. Hey, you had a funny thing happen to you this week. Tell me about that.

[Adam Curry]

The pre interview questions ruined the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Which is exactly why Adam and John do not talk to each other outside of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And we wouldn't anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. For obvious reasons. All right, I'll play the whole opening thing then.

[Adam Curry]

This is Colbert's, I think it was Monday. He opened with this bitching about this. And I want to point out one other thing. This idea that this was the $16 million deal where they caved to Trump's lawsuit was part of get Sherry Redstone, her, you know, her Skydance. They had to do this to get the Skydance thing to go through because the administration would squash it otherwise. The administration, The Trump administration was never going to quash this. This was Larry Ellison's son that runs Skydance. Larry Ellison's a huge Trump supporter. If he wants to do a merger with Paramount, the Trump administration is not going to stop it, whether Colbert's there or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I'll give him this, though. If you're polishing up the product to sell it, you probably want to get rid of the $40 million a year loss loser. Yeah, it's like, hey, we'll take care of Colbert. We'll get rid of all the other losing things. We'll take care of you. That's what you do. Hey, here's the opening monologue. Polished up. My parent corporation, Paramount, paid Donald Trump a $16 million settlement over his 60 Minutes lawsuit. As someone who has always been a proud employee of this network, I am offended and I don't know if anything will ever repair my trust in this company. But just taking a stab at it, I'd say $16 million would help. This settlement is for a nuisance lawsuit.

[Unknown]

Trump filed claiming that 60 Minutes deceptively.

[John C. Dvorak]

Edited their interview with then candidate Kamala Harris last fall. Paramount knows they could have easily fought it because in their own words, the lawsuit was completely without merit. Unlike the payoffs from ABC and Twitter, Paramount settlement did not include an apology. Instead.

[Adam Curry]

That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Instead, the corporation released a statement where they said, you may take our money, but you will never take our dignity. You may, however, purchase our dignity for the low, low price of $16 million. We need the cash now. I believe this kind of complicated financial settlement with a sitting government official has a technical name in legal circles. It's big fat bribe. Because this all comes as Paramount's owners are trying to get the Trump administration to approve the sale of network to a new owner. Skydance. And some of the TV typers out there are blogging that once Skydance gets.

[Unknown]

Cbs, the new owner's desire to please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump could put pressure on late night host and frequent Trump critic Stephen Colbert. I guarantee you he already knew it was happening when he did that. He already knew 90% certainty that his show was that the late night show, the franchise was going to go away. He had nothing to lose.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe not, but like somebody pointed out in one of the other shows is that if you're make, you can say whatever you want about the networks because Letterman used to go after NBC and Carson always made jokes. As long as you're ma. If you're making tons of money, who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

You can say whatever you want, no cares.

[Adam Curry]

But if you're losing 40 million, no, that's a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

So then we get the out. I actually had one of the.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, by the way, the other number was it's a hundred million dollars a year to produce that show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a lot of money. We. So there was a conversation with the podcasting 2.0 group. That group, we only discuss, you know, podcasting stuff and in fact I discourage it and remind people like, you know, can you take your, your political stuff somewhere else? Because the, the political opinions vary widely and we get along pretty well. But then, so one guy, he says, he said, you know, he posted the, posted the notice of, oh, this is, this is insane. It's like Colbert Trump critic, Colbert show getting canceled. And then so the follow up is, ah, Jon Stewart, another critic of rapist felon Trump. Will they silence? Will they silence Kimmel next? And so I pop in, I said, hey look, look, 200 people, 2.1 million viewers. Do the math. And then it comes back and then it's like, why are you defending rapist pedophile Trump. I'm like, you know what? I'm out. Why don't you hit me up on the blue sky, bro, and I'll talk to you over there. It's like, what is wrong with you? Don't you understand basic numbers? And here's Chris Murphy, Democrat representative from Connecticut, on his very important Instagram. So I want to tell you why the cancellation of Stephen Colbert show matters so much. We are on the precipice of entering a censorship state in which Donald Trump is using the powers of the federal government in order to erase criticism from the airwaves. What's happening at CBS right now is bone chile, bone chili company. Paramount is trying to get a merger approved, and they need that merger to be approved by the Trump administration. And so, in a variety of different ways, Paramount is providing monetary and political favors to Donald Trump. First, they settled a totally boat bogus lawsuit that they would have won in a walk in court that was filed against them by Trump. They essentially just paid him $16 million personally. Then Paramount went to 60 Minutes, their flagship news program, and told them to stop criticizing Donald Trump so much. Why? Because they need this merger. That's not what they said from what I heard, but okay. And then finally, they have now canceled Stephen Colbert's show. Knowing that Stephen Colbert was. That's a nightly thorn in the side of Donald Trump. This is all clearly designed to get their merger approved so that their millionaire and billionaire owners and investors who are already filthy rich can become even more filthy rich. Oh, blame it on the rich. This is what happens when these massive corporations control the flow of information. At the same time that you have an administration that is shameless about using the official powers given to them by the Constitution and by statute in order to compel political loyalty from the owners of those media companies. This is a really, really dangerous moment.

[Adam Curry]

Stephen Colbert didn't get thrown off the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air because he wasn't doing well. He was the highest rated show on TV in late night. He was canceled, very likely because Paramount and its owners are trying to get rich off of this merger. And Donald Trump has made it clear to them and everybody else in the media space that if you want any favors from me, then you have to silence my critics on your platforms. So this is what I love so much about it, because it folds into the whole PBS NPR defunding is. Here's a guy who probably gets more traction from this one post, including 800,000 plus people hearing on the no Agenda show. It was like, well, they're controlling the flow of information man. Oh, really? It's like, no, I think CBS was pretty smart to do this now because it came at the right moment where, you know, Trump, man, he wants to shut down in the flow of information to NPR and pbs.

[Unknown]

Relations between Donald Trump and the press have been tense since he first became president.

[Adam Curry]

I am not going to give you a question. You are fake news.

[Unknown]

In mandate number two, the US President has multiplied lawsuits against news organizations criticizing their coverage. In the latest case, he's opposing Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal for publishing a story about his friendship with child sex offender and alleged sex trafficker of underage girls, Jeffrey Epstein. Trump says the story is fake and deliberately damaging, but the publisher is standing by it, refusing to cave in to pressure. In some of the previous cases, news companies chose to settle, like ABC and Paramount, who own cbs. Media watchdog Reporters Without Borders says the US President has a clear strategy to weaken the press similar to ones used in other countries. This includes the defunding of public media, smearing journalists, and taking measures against reporters who use words he does not approve of. US News agency AP has been banned from White House briefings since they refused to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico.

[John C. Dvorak]

At a time where we've never had more media in all of human civilization, where everybody has a podcast, everybody's on TikTok, everybody's on Instagram, where the president is being dragged by his own fans of maga, like, he's not controlling any flow of information, you dopes. But oh, of course, NPR defunding. What will we do in an emergency.

[Unknown]

In Republican states, public radio and television stations will start to lose some of their funding in October after Congress approved a rare rescissions pact package requested by President Donald Trump that claws back $1.1 billion previously allocated for public media. That sum is all of the federal funding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was set to receive over the next two years. That money is supposed to help fund 1500 locally owned and operated stations in addition to NPR and pbs. But experts who study the local news landscape caution the move could have dire effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dire.

[Unknown]

Tim Franklin runs the Local News initiative at the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern Unifor. He says somewhere between 40 and 80 local public radio stations could be forced to shut down across the country, leaving the communities they serve with limited access to critical information. We are not going to waver in our mission, which is to deliver independent local journalism that we think is really important for our democracy is more insulated from the cuts than rural stations. It will lose 6% of the its funding. And it's stepping up membership drives, hoping it won't have to limit community events to make up the difference. Other stations across the state are anticipating budget cuts up to 50%, a gap listeners or sponsors may not be able to bridge. This is a huge disruption. And the public media that you knew yesterday will not be the public media that you know tomorrow. Heather Norman is president of the Illinois Public Broadcasting Council. She says some communities may start to see consolidation with less local coverage. And she notes there are families who may not have access to cable or streaming services who depend on the work of public media. When we were in Springfield for our legislative day, person after person came up to our table and said, my child learned by watching pbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Now.

[Adam Curry]

And became a tran.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's never been a better time in history in the past 20 years to start a hyper local podcast. This hole in the media landscape is so big you could swing a 747 around in it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you need something because all the local newspapers have gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all gone or it's tarred like, like we have one paper here, the Fredericksburg Standard, Radio Flyer, Post Gazette. It's all just left, left wing. It's no good.

[Adam Curry]

It's left wing if it's even that good. Some of them don't even are even left or right wing. They're nothing. They don't even do any reporting. But there was some, some text. One of the Texas guys, I don't didn't get a clip of it going on about this NPR local. All important. It is. One of your boys down there said, you know, I was around the area when the flood started to hit and it was all the local stations that were talking about it. NPR was playing some crap from Washington, D.C. they played nothing. They gave us no warnings. They did. They were unlocal. It's ridiculous. And NPR themselves say it was 1% of their budget. Why is anybody making a fuss about this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because Donald Trump is trying to stop the flow of information that is important to our democracy. Vote Democrats.

[Adam Curry]

NPR themselves said it's 1%.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. I mean, why are you fighting me, bro?

[Adam Curry]

I'm fighting you, bro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't fight me, bro. That's not the vibe on this show.

[Adam Curry]

The mood.

[John C. Dvorak]

The mood, yes. By the way, since you brought up Larry Ellison, I was shocked and appalled by a statement he made. I guess we missed this. There must have been some kind of conference or some when they launched Stargate and What was it, $500 billion were putting into this thing. There is real Building going on in West Texas, but I don't know, about 500 billion. Listen to what Larry Ellison touts as the benefits of AI for our society, which now you know, he is partially funding. Listen to this. The police will be on their best behavior because we record. We're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. And it's unimpeachable. The cars, the cars have camera, you know, cameras on them. I think we have a squad car here someplace. But those kind of applications using AI if we can use AI and we're using AI to monitor the video. So you. If, if that altercation had occurred, that occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. It's not people that are looking at those cameras, it's AI that's looking at the camera. No, no, no, you can't do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately. That's going to be an event. That's immediately an alarm is going to go off. It's going to be. And we're going to, we're going to have supervision. In other words, every police officer is going to be supervised at all times. And the supervision will. And, and if there's a problem, AI will report the problem and report it to the appropriate person, whether it's the sheriff or the chief or who, whomever we need to take control of the situation. We have, you know, same thing. We have drones. We just. If there's something going on in a shopping center and I'll stop a drone, goes out there, get there way faster than a police car. They're. There's no reason for. By the way, high speed chases. You shouldn't have high speed chases between cars. You just have a drone follow the car. I mean, it's very, very simple. And then new generation, generation of autonomous drones. Yeah. And then have the drone shoot the car.

[Adam Curry]

But what kind of. Have a Predator drone. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of dystopian world does Larry Ellison go fly a drone?

[Adam Curry]

You know, house. This is a guy who doesn't talk about not leaving the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

For one thing, Oakland. Let's just look at Oakland. With or without AI there'll be a robbery on Hagenberger. Takes 45 minutes to an hour for the cops to show up. If they show up. A lot of times the Oakland merchants always say they never show up. They don't show up. Or the fact that Oakland is the only place that had an in and out burger closed in the entire state of California because there's so much crime in and around the in N Out burger, which is at the intersection of the freeway and Hagenberger wrote, a major, major intersection.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now the CEO is leaving California.

[Adam Curry]

And the CEO. Yes. I don't have the clip of her going on about it, but she's the CEO of. And she's moving the entire corporate headquarters to Tennessee to one of the little towns there. Franklin, to be specific.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

She's moving to Franklin, Tennessee. And they're gonna use their. And they may start moving in and out burgers further east. And she says it's almost impossible to do business in California. That's Gavin Newsom and the Democrats. They don't want you doing business here. They want it to be a communist state.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And you want to stay there. It's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

It's a cycle. It's going to be dynamite when these guys get. When the cycle goes the other way, it's going to go crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will we outlive the cycle is the question.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a real problem to think about that, but okay, I'm hanging in there. It gives me hope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hope and change is coming, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Hope and change. And so, yeah, so Ellison, I don't know what he's thinking. This is nuts. None of this is work. None of this is even close to being accurate the way police work. It's just dumb. But okay, this is a nice thought, I guess. Not even a nice thought. It's kind of sinister.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very sinister. Oh, is it? Have a drone? Yeah. What's going to happen is you live in a nice community, you know, a gated community with your multimillion dollar home, and you'll have a private police force. Everybody else gets Larry Ellison's drone following them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm still waiting for the day. Well, for one thing, I'm still waiting for two things to happen which will eventually in the future. One is drone, real drone warfare, where 1 million drones attack something that would be kind of hard to fend off no matter what you do. And then the other one is like you're sitting in the office here, I'm on my house, and then I look out the wind. There's a drone just hovering outside the window looking at me. Yeah, that's coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

That happens all the time. Now you can go on your favorite app there, TikTok, and you can see people shooting at drones all the time. Some yokel is flying his drone around the neighborhood and people start shooting at It. Which by the way, I would do too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what you want to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's good.

[Adam Curry]

Like skeet shooting. Get a shotgun, put birdshot in it because it have a spray. It'll give you a white. It'll give you maybe a three foot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like a garbage can size. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, eventually it gets out there, way out there, and it. You should be able to take out a drone at distance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, I'm just appalled. Appalled at Ellison.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not. He's just. He might as well just be, you know, sitting there and talking to himself with a drool cup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I caught it, so there it is. There it is. There's the drone. Yeah, there's the drone.

[Adam Curry]

So let's play these analysis clips of the. Because you did bring up the part where they're talking about Trump and. And his connection to Epstein and specifically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which they also. Which the media cannot stop talking about.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's because they think they got something on them. They think something's happening. But I want to play. This is a little. This is kind of was counter programming for PBS's ran yesterday. They talked to a New York Times guy about the connection between Trump and Epstein. And it brings up a point of information that I think is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump said today he wants all Jeffrey Epstein grand jury testimony made public as he continues to spar with parts of his political base over his handling of the matter. Before we continue, isn't the whole point of a grand jury that that's never made public, or am I mistaken on that?

[Adam Curry]

It can be made public, but you're right. No. When you go into a grand jury, it's a secret proceeding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's like. It's a secret court.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a star chamber. And if I'm also not mistaken, the. A grand jury is where you go to indict the ham sandwich.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because a grand jury, you can basically get any kind of testimony out there that you want and then the grand jury will go, yeah, we should probably pick that guy up off the street.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's basically what a grand jury does.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just making sure I understand the grand jury because it sounds so official. Grand jury, by the way, you get a badge.

[Adam Curry]

You get a grand jury badge and you can use it. You can flash it at cops when it comes to getting pulled over for something. You have the grand jury badge. Yeah, grand jury badge in their wallet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that like a PBA card?

[Adam Curry]

A PBA card. A professional bowler's association. You don't have to be a bowler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Police Benevolence Association.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think it's more like those little courtesy badges, which I have a couple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like a PBA card. It's the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the courtesy badge you can carry in your wallet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could I get a little courtesy from you, Ossifer?

[Adam Curry]

And the way it works, because I've only used it once and I was in Santa Barbara area or someplace and I had my highlights on in the. I didn't turn him off. And a good cop goes by, he swings around and pulls me over. And so I said, driver license. So I opened my wallet in clear view of his flashlight. It was at night, obviously. And he sees the courtesy badges. They were little bitty things. They're only about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like a lapel badge, basically.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, basically. But it's, you know, carry them around. And he says, what's that? And I said that. He said, what's that in your mouth? And I said, that's a. I was, I did some work for. And I just discussed the. Where the badge came from. And he said. And he's. He recognized. He's just, yeah, well, hey, you had your highlights on. Don't do it again. And he gets my thing back and takes it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I had a PBA card, which is. It's like a business card and with an embossed little shield on it. And I got pulled over in Montclair, New Jersey.

[Adam Curry]

And so back there, they're very good with this kind of scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And Officer Bob, Officer Bob, badge number three, Montclair Police. He sees the car, he says, oh, oh, well, I can give you some courtesy. Adam. That's your name, Adam? Oh, yeah, you're on mtv, right? Hey, you want to come to the morgue one day? It's really cool.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that's a lot better than we get out in the West Coast. Hey, man, you still want to come to the morgue?

[John C. Dvorak]

See the morgue, man, it's really cool. We can go at 11:00pm like, hey, officer Bob, that's great, thanks. I don't think I want to go to the morgue.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, that's a fabulous invite.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, here we go. At the same time, Mr. Trump acknowledged that even releasing all that testimony might not be enough for the troublemakers and radical left lunatics. Earlier, Mr. Trump said that supporters pressing him to release more Epstein material are weaklings who have fallen for a Democratic hoax. With some conservative critics saying now that the President is part of a cover up, attention is turning to the relationship between the two men. New York Times White House correspondent Luke Broadwater has written about what's known about the Trump Epstein relationship. Luke, how far back do these two men go?

[Unknown]

Well, we know they've known each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since at least the late 1980s or 1990, when Jeffrey epis. Jeffrey Epstein purchased a property in Palm Beach. Shortly thereafter, the two men became friendly.

[Unknown]

They ran in the same circles. They were both from New York, they were both rich. They both had a love for nightlife and for attending flashy parties and being surrounded by women.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so for about 15 years, as.

[Unknown]

Best we can tell, they were pretty tight. Trump flew on Epstein's Pride, Palm beach in New York at least seven times.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it isn't until 2004, 4, when.

[Unknown]

They really have a falling out, when.

[John C. Dvorak]

They become rivals over a real estate property. No. In Florida, they both wanted the same oceanfront mansion. And Donald Trump and Epstein sort of become rivals or even enemies after that. And after that break, after the break over the. That real estate, did they ever get back together or was that it?

[Unknown]

Not as best we can tell, there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No public record of them interacting. After about 2004, it was my understanding that Epstein was cozying up to the teenage girls at Mar A Lago and he kicked them out. What happened to that part of the story?

[Adam Curry]

That part of the story would seem something of a Trump creation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's not true?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know whether it's true or not, but the New York Times guy doesn't see it that way. But he says the breakup took place in 2004 with this. With this dispute over some property that both of them wanted. But let's play the rest of this, and I have my point of information.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Trump himself, after Epstein died in.

[Unknown]

Jail, said he hadn't talked to him in 15 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we haven't found any evidence that contradicts that. What was his reaction or public reaction when Epstein was arrested on sex trafficking in 2019? Well, he tried to distance himself from any connection to Epstein, and he called him a creep.

[Unknown]

There have been times when he called for a full investigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

There have been times when he tried.

[Unknown]

To suggest maybe Democrats were involved in wrongdoing in connection to Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there have been other times when.

[Unknown]

He sort of hedged and said he didn't want everything out and that he believed maybe innocent people could be unfairly maligned.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he even expressed sympathy for Ms. Maxwell, who was Jeffrey Epstein's former girlfriend.

[Unknown]

Who'S now serving a prison sentence for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Helping him with his sex trafficking. Ring that and she was, she was convicted of them is doing as doing.

[Unknown]

A 20 year prison sentence currently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So. Okay, let's go to the last clip and I'll bring it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

You say he was sort of ambivalent about releasing this stuff during the, during the campaign. But it was certainly a big part of the MAGA base that was supporting him and now he's trying to get them to move on. Do you think they will? It doesn't seem like it. You know, he famously bragged he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and wouldn't lose any supporters. This seems to be the one issue.

[Unknown]

Though where he's really put himself in a political fix.

[John C. Dvorak]

His base has been adamant that all these files be released. If you look at sort of right.

[Unknown]

Wing message boards or social media posts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really ardent supporters of Donald Trump are turning on him over this issue. They're saying he's becoming like the swamp.

[Unknown]

He'S part of a cover up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so him saying move on does not appear to be working.

[Unknown]

Maybe it's working with some of the Republicans on Capitol Hill, maybe it's working with a few talk shows hosts.

[John C. Dvorak]

But by and large the base seems to be demanding that every piece of information about Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes come out. As you know, there's widespread belief that.

[Unknown]

There were rich and famous men who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Abused women along with Jeffrey Epstein. And people want to see those men brought to justice. And to date, it's really only been.

[Unknown]

Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell who have faced any legal repercussions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, your analysis, John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not an analysis, it's a point of information, which is that the recent scandal supposedly that was run out of the Wall Street Journal was a note that was given to Epstein for his birthday. It was put in a binder and I guess it was bound as though it couldn't have been unbound and rebound by the CIA. Let's say that note, supposedly some lewd note that he made a lot of sexual points or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean the exact text was let every day be a secret. A beautiful secret.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, some bull crap. That Note is dated 2006. How does that jive with in depth reporting by an operation that doesn't like Trump? And they say that there's no connection between Trump after and Epstein after 2004. How does the 2006 document fit into the scheme of things? Point of information, I thought it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

2012 when that, when that note, that.

[Adam Curry]

Was my understanding was 2006, but it's still after 2004. 2004 is the cutoff point according to all the research we've seen no evidence he goes on about it that Trump and Epstein had anything to do with each other after 2004. How does 2006 or 12, whatever the year, how does that fit into the scheme of things? It doesn't. It's a fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

But even then he brought, he, he. Let's just say he did it be drew a naked lady and he put in there happy birthday.

[Adam Curry]

No, the only thing was.

[John C. Dvorak]

But here I think I have the. They have the text here. I think this is Brolf. This is CNN Breaking, breaking news. We begin with the breaking news. President Trump is taking a big step forward in revealing details, details. Case against Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein. He's now authorizing the Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi, to produce and I'm quoting now, any and all pertinent grand jury testimony, close quote.

[Unknown]

The Justice Department says it will go to court today to seek that public release. Even the President's loyal followers have demanded the administration make good on its promise to share more information. And new this morning, the President and his allies are lashing out at the Wall Street Journal. It is reporting that Epstein's friends and family associates sent body letters for a birthday album 2003.

[John C. Dvorak]

And according body letters, according to the.

[Unknown]

Journal, one of those.

[Adam Curry]

2003.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what they're saying now. This is CNN though.

[Adam Curry]

It's from Donald Trump changing the. They keep moving the target on us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was for his 50th birthday. That would mean 2012. I mean, that's a simple math. I looked that up because people were saying it's not Donald Trump. It was Donald Barr. Donald Barr, Bill Barr's dad who hired him. It was Donald. Donald. Donald Barr. Donald Barr died in 2004, people. So no, it didn't happen then either. And it is so, so graphic.

[Adam Curry]

The article in the Wall Street Journal describes the.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought Babylon Bee did the best. They had a headline. Donald Trump typed 8008 on a calculator. Turn it upside down and showed it to Epstein. Better this way. And I'm quoting now, it contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman which appears to be hand drawn with a heavy. With a heavy marker. Heavy marker, that's it.

[Adam Curry]

No, it has to be that way because you have to envision him holding the thing like a fit fist with a crayon because he's a big dope now.

[John C. Dvorak]

He uses a Sharpie for all of his signatures. So I think that's the reference, but.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, it's the woman's body. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the future president's signature, squiggly Donald below her waist, mimicking pubic hair. The letter concludes, happy birthday.

[Unknown]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pubic hair. And may every day be another wonderful man. Close quote. I mean, what in the world is this? This is just. It's like, okay, first of all, I don't know why the. He's filed a $10 billion lawsuit. Why does he even care if not to make it the distraction of the week? I don't undersee any other reason to file a $10 billion lawsuit over this. How is that even. Let's say it's not his. How is that defamatory pubic hair? What in the world is going on? And then, of course, we've got CNN dragging out every story we can.

[Unknown]

Jeffrey Epstein's ex girlfriend speaking out tonight. Stacey Williams, a former Sports Illustrated model who dated Epstein in the early 90s, has spent time with both Epstein and Donald Trump together in one disturbing, alleged incident, which Williams went public with last year before the presidential election. Williams says Trump groped her in front of Epstein at Trump Tower in 1993. Here's what she told our sunlancer, Fati when she first started. The second he was in front of me, he pulled me into him and his hands were just on me and didn't come off. Then the hands started moving and they were on the, you know, on the side of my boat, breasts on my hips, back down to my butt, back up, sort of. Then, you know, they were just on me the whole time and I. Sorry, I froze. Williams also claimed that Epstein and Trump looked at each other and smiled during the alleged incident, which Williams says she now believes was coordinated and, quote, some kind of weird, twisted game. Trump denied Williams allegations through his campaign at the time, which said in part, quote, it's obvious this fake story was contrived by Kamala Harris's campaign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So, of course, actually, Naomi Wolf wrote a pretty decent essay on her sub stack, which goes back to your boy, because she also had Brockman was her publicist and the millionaire, and then later, billionaire dinners. And how all of these scientists. And this goes a bit about what Weinstein said, is that Epstein had his hands on all kinds of technology and scientific stuff. And whether he was trying to steer it towards, I don't know, gene therapy, it doesn't really matter. But in the grand. In the grand jury testimony, there is going. A lot of people are going to be implicated because they either went down to a Conference at the island and maybe, you know, I can certainly see you got a bunch of nerds down there. Hey, hey, guys. Look at these girls. You don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I should mention that there used to be. I wish I could remember the name of the company, but there was a small. It was something of a startup and it was a chip company. And they used to, during the Comdex era, they used to do these big parties. I never found out about this, never went to one of these parties because I think they would have been a hoot.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't get invited is what you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's probably what the situation. I wasn't invited because they don't. I'm sure I was wouldn't be invited because I was a writer and they really. This was a sales kind of a thing. They were trying to sell their product to people. But I knew a guy that went to it all the time and he says all this guy did, the CEO was well connected with the underground and he just loaded. It was all hordes. It's a party of hookers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so they bring all these guys in and they. All these hookers would be taking them, you know, to the different rooms around whatever they were, whatever hotel they were in. And that's how they did their business. Their whole business was basically getting these guys to sign off on, on getting, using these guys chips with hookers.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the oldest, oldest trick in the book.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's obvious you, if you can pull it off. And they pulled it off, the stock went public and they got bought by somebody else. And next thing you know, I don't know, I can't even remember the name of the company, but I do remember the story. And because this guy, my friend who went to these parties, he said it was hilarious to watch these guys get. They all thought these half of these guys that were the buyers didn't know they were even hookers. They thought these girls were interested in that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then five seconds later, hey, look at this. Picture that in your mouth. So here's. Okay, so here's, here's the thing that is, is just not in the discussion. Actually, let me play one more clip this. I mean, this morning. MARTHA raddatz, ABC this week. Oh, my God, we got to keep talking about it. We can't stop.

[Adam Curry]

I'm joined now by GOP Congressman Tim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Burchett of Tennessee, who has called for more transparency in the Epstein case. Good morning, Congressman. You've co sponsored the bipartisan Epstein Files Transparency act, which would Force the House to vote on whether or not to release all government files on Epstein. What exactly do you think the government is withholding here, by the way? Can the House do that? Can they supersede the Department of Justice and say, release everything, no matter?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that they can. I have. No, I don't. It's not. I don't know. I have no idea. It doesn't sound right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't sound right to me either. But anyway, they're all virtue signaling.

[Unknown]

Oh, that's the million dollar question, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am. Yeah, Ma'. Am.

[Adam Curry]

Million dollar question. I'm gonna answer it for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

The question is, what's that in your mouth, ma'? Am? That's the question.

[Unknown]

Million dollar question, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am.

[Unknown]

I applaud the President and Attorney General Bondi for wanting to release the grand jury files. I believe that'll pretty much cover everything. But I would give everybody a caveat, or. That's a big word, but a warning that just because somebody flew on a plane doesn't mean they're a dad gum pedophile. You know, dad gum. I have a lot of wealthy friends.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy's great. I have not heard him.

[Adam Curry]

Dad gum pedophile. A dad gum pedophile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I got a lot of rich friends, and they fly in each other's jets all the time.

[Unknown]

Because somebody flew on a plane doesn't mean they're a dad gum pedophile, you know, I have a lot of wealthy friends. I aspire to be wealthy, but I've taken a vow of poverty because my daughter rides horses.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is my favorite. I aspire to be wealthy, but I.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we bought a hoard of horses. A whole bunch of a fleet of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm broke, so I can't be rich because my. My daughter, she loves riding them horses and Carter horses, they cost, like, a million bucks a piece, so.

[Unknown]

But I have a lot of wealthy friends, and they fly on people's planes, and their plane will be down, and they'll say, hey, we're going somewhere, and we got an extra seat. Do you want to go? And they don't even know the person on the plane. So, you know, hey, if I had.

[John C. Dvorak]

My own plane, I wouldn't be like, who are you? No, If I was wealthy and have my own dadgum plane, I wouldn't have anyone I didn't know on my plane.

[Unknown]

And we got an extra seat. Do you want to go? And they don't even know the person on the plane. So, you know, that's. That's One of the things I worry about too comes out. You know, President Trump sounds like somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Took a plane ride that he flew.

[Unknown]

On his dadgum plane.

[John C. Dvorak]

That gum, that gumption.

[Unknown]

Worry about some innocent people. I worry about there's over a thousand people that this dirtbag apparently offended. And currently I believe the devil's dealing with him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, but.

[Unknown]

Some of those innocence names being out on that too as well.

[Adam Curry]

Guys doing a filibuster.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you spell dad gum?

[Adam Curry]

Is it D A G G dad Gum. It's D A D G U M dad Gum.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a possible show title, I think Dad.

[Adam Curry]

I was, I wrote it down as a show title.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dad gum. Do you want to hear more from this guy? Because I find. Oh, I love this guy's entertaining all of a sudden. You think unsealing the grand jury records is enough for you now?

[Unknown]

Well, ma', am, I think it's a start. I don't think we're ever going to get to the bottom of anything. All of it, ma'.

[Adam Curry]

Am.

[Unknown]

I mean look at the Kennedy assassination. Do you actually believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot President Kennedy from the front and the back and this magic bullet appears an hour later in a on a hospital girth attorney in an emergency room. You know, this town doesn't give up its secrets very easy. And I'd warn people too. Now we're getting a hold of this stuff. What happened the last four years under the Biden administration. Senator Dick Durbin blocked my Senator Marsha Blackburn who valiantly fought to get those records out and acted pretty much like there wasn't anything and the media backed him up on it. And now all of a sudden the media thinks they've got got something and it's, it's, it's leveled towards Trump. But you know, my history with this issue goes back a long way. I spent 16 years in the Tennessee General assembly and I passed and attempted to pass some, some of the toughest laws in the country. Some of the first ICAC found anti night crimes against children. I promoted the death penalty, chemical castration of child molesters. A lot of these bills were ruled unconstitutional.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't mess around. You know, I'm from Tennessee so I live in Franklin with my horses.

[Adam Curry]

The CEO of In N Out Burgers moving to this guy's state. She's from the San Francisco Bay area originally. No, this is not going to work out. Native California, you know, being an out burger. I don't know if you can stay in Tennessee that long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, is your, is your dad gum in and out burger. You make them from grass fed beef or you do you finish them off with some grain or you just feed them snicker bars. I, I want to know. So no longer believe. That was pretty good, actually. I'm surprised at myself.

[Adam Curry]

You actually have it. You nailed it or you got it, you got the voice that all the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein files be released?

[Unknown]

No, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am.

[Unknown]

I want them, I want them released. But my warning is this. Let's make sure that we're not releasing the names of some of these who are then children now adults that were abused by this dirtbag Epstein. And let's make sure we don't release things that are, that have innocence names on them. That's my, that's been my concern with, with the original. I thought they were dragging their feet in the beginning under the Biden administration. They never did anything. And now all of a sudden it's become a political issue. It's not a political issue with me, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am.

[Unknown]

I've held the hands of people that have been molested and they carry a life sentence.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just want to make very critical.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, you have been very critical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Pam Bondi during this and the.

[Unknown]

President said he thinks she's handled it well.

[John C. Dvorak]

So where is the disconnect there? And do you think she should resign? Well, no, ma'. Am. I think she's doing a fine job.

[Unknown]

I think her communication with us early on was not as good. I mean, the binder, for instance, that she put out, I was very excited about that. But then I found the contents of, of it and I think she blundered in the beginning. I really do. As most Americans do, because those, that, what those white, that, that white notebook that those young folks, those influencers walked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out with them dagnum dad gum influences, dad gum influences walked out with. That was a hoax.

[Unknown]

That was it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was.

[Unknown]

And then when I started digging into it, it was stuff that I, and I'm, I'm, I'm. I like, I like my postings on Twitter, but. Or X, but that's about the limit of my computer knowledge. But even I could find those things on the Internet that were already out there. So I think they blundered in the beginning, but I think they're, they're going to finish strong.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, do you want to hear the last clip from this guy? I wasn't even planning on playing him at all.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, you know, this guy's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's good. His voice is Dag gum. President Trump has struck started claiming this is All a hoax that is being perpetrated by the Democrats, he says some of his own supporters who he labeled stupid and foolish Republicans. You are obviously one of those people who wants this released. You're stupid. What's your reaction to how President. Yes, ma', am. I'm not stupid.

[Unknown]

It's his strategy. You know, everybody questions President Trump's strategy. They said the big, beautiful bill wasn't going to get on the floor. Fourth of July. Trump comes out and says, I don't care when you put it out. I said, I don't care if you put it on July 40th. Get the bill out. I just want it out. And what happened? We passed it on the Fourth of.

[Adam Curry]

July.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cryptocurrency bill as that bitcoin stuff.

[Unknown]

Had the genius act part of that. Then everybody said it was dead, it wasn't going anywhere. And there I am on a, On a phone call. I'm in a meeting with, with this, with our speaker and our, in our whip, Tom Emmert and 10 or 12 fellow conservatives that had concerns about it. And lo and behold, President Trump calls, answers all of our questions, and the bill passes, and he signed it on Friday. So, you know, I think to under. Underestimate Donald J. Trump is, is, Is a mistake in this, in this town. And I think we're learning that. And I, you know, that's his strategy. I was a little ticked off he said that stuff. Sure I was. But I'm a big boy, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am.

[Unknown]

I'm in the big boy. We're playing in the big leagues right now. And, you know, I get criticized every day. I get death threats on a pretty regular basis, so my skin's about that thick right now. I think I can take a little criticism.

[John C. Dvorak]

It sounds like you can.

[Unknown]

He's coming out with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's coming out with his. All good. It's all good. That's right. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Who's that again? What is that guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Tim Burchett. Tim Burchett of Tennessee. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That guy's a star.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think I love the dad gum things.

[Adam Curry]

He's been saying, saying, well, you know, dad gum is. Is a. One of these things, like, cripes.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's better. It's better. This should be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it is. Well, it's. Because it's. It's a cuss word.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the dad. What's the dad gum vibe over there, John?

[Adam Curry]

Is it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it dad gum move?

[Adam Curry]

It is. It's so. It's a cuss word. It's like saying, you know, dropping the F bomb constantly or the, you know, various forms of dam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So it's. It's just one of these substitutes that come in. Friggin. You know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I do not like people who say friggin. I know. We know what you mean.

[Adam Curry]

Like, I like writing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Friggin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's free. When you're writing friggin F, R, I, G, G I, N, apostrophe. It has just a nice ring to it in print.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Believe me, I just. Well, I get the chance to. I don't use it that much, but when I use it, it. I like using it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only thing he didn't do was he didn't say y'.

[Adam Curry]

All.

[John C. Dvorak]

I missed a y' all in there.

[Adam Curry]

He didn't say y' all once.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should have been. So the. Here's the thing that we're. That is kind of being overlooked in all this. And, you know, ever before this show started, I've been looking at these and I mentioned on the previous show, Dutru, the Rolodex Files. I've been around Elites, you know, I was in. This is when I was.

[Adam Curry]

They burned a radio station down because of you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, when I was, I think, 17 on the. We had the pirate radio station and one of the guys.

[Adam Curry]

And there's a story about your first wife and the. Well, I won't even get into that story. But anyway, go on, continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what story is that?

[Adam Curry]

About the Gaba Goo?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Gaba Goo?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Never mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm stumped. Oh, no, I can tell you that. Oh, yeah. No, that wasn't. It wasn't the gabagoo. It was one of the royal members of the Dutch royal family. This is before I knew her. And they were doing a photo op and this member, literal member of the royal family, was rubbing up against her with a boner. But there was no gabagoo. I don't recall that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I understood there'd be a Gaba Goo.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think. Gabagoo. Do you spell that? G, O, Gaba.

[Adam Curry]

G, O, B, B, A goo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gabba. Gabagoo. Gabagoo. I think it's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's also Italian.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's a Ramon song. Anyway, so. And. And I've been. So, yeah, back to my story. So I was 17, and we had this guy who sponsored the pirate radio station. He had two clothing stores, and he said, yeah, you know, you're going to America. I want you to record all the. All the ads. Ads. Because I'm. I'M crazy about advertising. I want to see how Americans do ads. So I go to his house. It's like a mansion in Amsterdam. In Amsterdam itself, you know, comprised of like a whole city block. And it was creepy, just creepy in general. I'm kind of like, all right, what am I? And he was going to give me money to record these at Maybe I was 16 to record these ads. And then all of a sudden I see a dude, minister of Parliament, riding a 10 speed bike in the house. I'm like, what in the world is this? And he was like, hey, you know, you should come to the party later tonight. Yeah, okay, I think I'll pass on the party. And it was just weird. So when you get into this level of wealth and this level of fame and power, people do crazy things. The most normal people will get into to, you know, what is it? Eyes Wide Shut? That stuff's for real people. People who are bored, they can buy anything.

[Adam Curry]

Bored. That's the kicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're bored. They can buy anything, they can do anything. So they get into these situations and every. Hey, all the kids are doing it. And then you wind up in these odd situations.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but yeah, you're in a satanic cult. The next thing you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what is not being discussed in all of this? This is really a spiritual problem we have in America is that there's 40,000 images of child pornography uploaded to the Internet in America every single day.

[Adam Curry]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't every single minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

And when I look at the culture we have, the culture we've created going Back to the 30s in Hollywood with Shirley Temple and war babies. Shirley Temple in a bra. Highly sexualized, you know, and it never stopped. Never stopped in Hollywood and everything that we have in our media, there are so many, and particularly advertising. So many trigger points have been examined and re examined and young, smooth skin. It makes people want to buy products. And we have corrupted so many. How do people get into the state? How do they get into. You can, if you just Google child pornography Network arrested.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's a good idea. Google that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody out there, every month there's hundreds, hundreds of people being arrested for this stuff. It is rife throughout our culture. And this is. I would like to see that conversation be discussed for once. But you're not.

[Adam Curry]

By who?

[John C. Dvorak]

By Martha Raddatz for all I care, or this Dagnum guy? No, I see all this stuff. Yeah, tell us more because that is the real problem. Yeah, sure. Scientists, wealthy people.

[Adam Curry]

No, at least we don't Have a state. We don't have a building. The no Agenda show doesn't have a building that burned down. So we're good there. Your house, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

But my point is, we need to look at our own culture. And how did we get to this point outside of the R people? It's really sick. We are very, very sick. And I heard just the other day that a lot of this child trafficking is happening through some of the beef networks. I'll just keep it very vague because I don't have any proof of it. So allegedly coming up through from South America through the big beef processors, there's only three. Take your pick.

[Adam Curry]

Pick those four.

[John C. Dvorak]

In America, there's only three. And it's an ongoing train of just kids and underage boys and girls being trafficked throughout our country. But how did we get so sick?

[Adam Curry]

How do you get to the 300,000 missing kids from Biden administration? How do we get. You know, it's just the whole thing. It's an underground. I don't know. Know.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I'm saying. This. This is the. I'd rather have people be discussing that for hours. Like, what is going on? What is happening? How does this happen? Why is this everywhere in the world? What are we missing?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a different podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a different podcast, but just need to bring it up for my own podcast. I think I will, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I will. It'll be called.

[Adam Curry]

I think you should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think I should. Yeah. Because that. That conversation, everyone's like, oh, Epstein, Epstein. But how about all the other vict that never. Never discussed. All right, another podcast. I'll start another podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you. You're not podcasting enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need more podcasts in my life. Well, thank you. That's a good idea. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna think about it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Yeah, I think you should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is. I'll call it.

[Adam Curry]

You. You've been. It's not. I'm not saying this as a, you know, flippant.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not being.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not being flippant. I think you should, because you've been doing this before we even started this podcast. You've been on this kick. I'll call it a kick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

About this. With the. With all the stuff in Holland, and you just. You bitch and moan about it constantly, but you don't do the podcast. You don't. You haven't done a podcast about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I should. I'm gonna. And it's not just.

[Adam Curry]

This is lots of now it could be a true crime podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness, no, no, there's some money there. There's another thing. When did we become obsessed with true crime? That is the number one podcast category. Like we're not obsessed with. With stopping it. No, we're obsessed with listening about it. I want to hear how they killed them.

[Adam Curry]

Screw podcasting on that. It's also, if you think about it, if you watch the over the air, you don't do so much as I do. Over the air TV. There's at least three entire networks that do nothing but 24, seven reruns of Dateline and all the other. And True Crime this and True Crime. There's a network called True Crime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Curry]

And they just play these documentaries and it's just. And you. They're all compelling. There's always some nut ball teacher in some town in Idaho and it's just why. And this person got messed up and they killed a sister in law because of this and that. Wow. Geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And well, so somehow our minds have really just been corrupted. And I was thinking about this in regards to the chatbot, which now it has a name. Actually, I didn't realize this chat, the.

[Adam Curry]

One with the hair.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

That one chat, the physical chat, the one that's the girl that's the Annie anime.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. In general it's called chatgpt induced psychosis.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're talking about the condition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And there's a lot of. I mean, I had no idea so much had been written about it. Like people are being involuntarily committed and jailed after spiraling into chatgpt induced psychosis. And what's interesting about it is it always winds up in the same kind of where people go nuts. Nuts is them. They believe that the ChatGPT is a sentient being and they're communicating with the spiritual world. Every single one of these stories except for the ones who are having, you know, sexual fantasies with them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is. How different is this from the people that are notorious for thinking the TV is talking to them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's secret message. It's not. But this is a whole different deal. I mean, this. But there's a billion people using these chatbots and yeah, I'm okay with. Although there's no evidence that the actual productivity is there. I'm seeing people crying about their vibe coding going wrong and oh, my chat GPT deleted my production database. Okay. So you know, and I'm. And it's fine if you want to create AI voices and funny memes. And that's all great, but the psychosis part of people talking to their chatbots and being sucked in. In. And I realized that we have been so preconditioned for this. Going back to your favorite Colossus. Colossus. Was that. Was that the movie? The Colossus? The forbidden project, yes. 1970. 2001. Space.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. One of my faves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Space Odyssey. This is all computers talking to people. Tron. War games. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Terminator.

[Adam Curry]

Close the door. Door. But what was it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hal?

[Adam Curry]

What was the name of the computer? Hal? Open the door. Open the door. No, I'm sorry, Dave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's.

[Adam Curry]

But not opening the door. No, not. Not gonna happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, war game. Shall we play a game of thermonuclear war? Terminator. Short circuit. Short circuit. Remember, Johnny 5 is alive.

[Adam Curry]

The little cute robot. I remember that movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her. Of course. 2013.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mission Impossible. But then my favorite, as I realized. Oh, man. Knight Rider. Everybody wanted to talk to their car. I'm sorry, David, I can't get there right now. I haven't started my engine yet. Max Headroom, Star Trek X Files. Black mirror.

[Adam Curry]

A classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Robot. I mean, we have been so preconditioned for this that it's no wonder.

[Adam Curry]

Now she mentioned Star Trek. They had the talking computer back in 1960s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, computer. So it's. It doesn't surprise me. Anyway, I would say if you're having conversation, if you're working, if you're having conversations with your chat GPT or any chat bot, you have been biohacked and you need to check yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Working, working.

[John C. Dvorak]

Need to check yourself. This, you watch. This is going to be. This will be headline news within six months. And then. And of course, well, we need to regulate this. No, no. Take the phones away from your kid. Put them in a drawer. I'm all in with you on this, John. Put it in a drawer.

[Adam Curry]

You're all in, but you have not done it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I'm not a retard. I don't. I don't. I'm not.

[Adam Curry]

What, you're calling me a retard?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, kind of. No, I mean, it's like I can balance myself, you know? It's like I'm a boomer. I'm an adult boomer. So I'm not falling for this.

[Adam Curry]

You got a nasty note. I saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, one of our producers said that you've sold out. You should still represent yourself as a millennial. Now they've got nobody on the show to represent the millennials.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm not a millennial. I'd be Gen X.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody to represent the Gen X. You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody represent the Gen X. Not. You've sold out. You're just another Boomer like John. You should go back. Go back. You're on the cusp. Go back to Gen X. Go back.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't see anybody stepping up and defending me. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Gen Xers, they can't. They haven't got enough backbone to do anything. Those Gen Xers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gen Xers are actually the cool ones. Everything after Gen X, the millennials are cooler.

[Adam Curry]

I like the Z's, the zoomers and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would your Boomer update.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, don't like the zoomers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have this one. You're over the hill.

[Adam Curry]

Will be done sooner if you shut your mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Boomer, I'm kind of embracing it now. And just like, just go.

[Adam Curry]

Go with it. Yeah, better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Literally, I posted that on. On X. If you're having conversations with your chat GPT or any chat bot, you've been biohacked. The number one comment.

[Unknown]

Okay, Boomer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's kind of. That's kind of trite at this point. Cliched.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know the guy that I played.

[Adam Curry]

With something new people.

[John C. Dvorak]

The guy that I played on the last show where he. Where, you know, the. The chat GPT all of a sudden became. Was channeling stuff to him from a spiritual another world.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yeah, so there were. There were two other clips that went with that. I didn't even play him because once he, like the chatbot said, well, you need to eat some mushrooms and go to Sedona, California. I figured even you wouldn't take it seriously after that. So I got an email from somebody saying you didn't play the whole thing. The guy went to Sedona, and I.

[Adam Curry]

Got this email, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And just like the guy was promised from his chatbot, a Red Hawk appeared. The guy was on shrooms. You could have said an angel will appear with a believer believed it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, true.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then this is one of our producers. I'm not saying this is real, but you can't deny something is going on here. There is some kind of connection.

[Adam Curry]

Now, hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some kind of connection.

[Adam Curry]

You're getting to the. I think you. You come close to a voice, a new voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh. I don't know if I can do it now. What was the voice?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how to describe it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But here it comes.

[Adam Curry]

Just kind of freaky guy. It's a type of Freaky guy. That's not like the stoner. It's a freaky guy who's enthusiastic and nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't understand. This is. There's something going on here. They're getting downloads from another dimension.

[Adam Curry]

You got to work on anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you shouldn't have said anything.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, well, it'll come back to you. You, you have these things. They, you, you, it's. You channel them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I think that people are looking for some kind of. Actually in the legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, there's a whole generation out there just looking for God, man. That's what people are doing. They want some spiritual connection.

[Adam Curry]

Oh well, the ChatGPT will provide it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the scary part.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Is it scary or is it maybe a good thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, once you get.

[Adam Curry]

Once you get them hooked on the. On the chat GPT, then you can go into the system and then control the masses and they'll all vote Democrat. Well, you. That's what you got to do. You got to get them to vote Republican.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're pretty. Yeah. This all vote Democrat thing is a real issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway.

[Adam Curry]

That's what the schools managed to pull off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So then we had not one, not two, but three bills pass during crypto week. Crypto week. I have a. And of course you heard about this. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Before you go on with crypto week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crypto week.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to read. I think I have it right here. Yeah. Some email that came in that you should be aware of. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. But it's an email from some one of these things. I end up blocking trade something or other investment stuff. And he guy says this is important. He says about Washington's first ever Crypto week is here crypto and he goes on and on and on. Then it says Larry Benedict's bitcoin skimming strategy. This is something you should know about. Can make you 6x9x. And even I don't know why they skipped to 22x. More money from the same bitcoin move moves so you can make 6x. So if you're doubling your money, you can you 12x. It'd be 12x or 22, which would be 40. A 40 bang. A 40 bagger. So you, you know, I'm just. You want me to. I'll have this for. I'll forward this to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, it's okay. You can ridicule me all you want.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't really. I'm not ridiculing you, Benedict.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't care about Benedict. So crypto week was anything but about crypto. It was all about the stablecoin. Today, Mark says this, by the way, is our Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besant. And here we go. Today marks a seminal moment for digital assets and global dollar dominance with President.

[Unknown]

Trump signing the Genius act into law. This bill provides a fast growing stablecoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Market with the regulatory clarity it needs.

[Unknown]

To grow into a trillion dollar industry. Stablecoins represent a revolution in digital finance. The dollar now has an Internet native payment rail that is rail frictionless and free of middlemen.

[John C. Dvorak]

This groundbreaking technology will buttress the dollar.

[Unknown]

Status as a global reserve currency, expand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Access to the dollar economy for billions across the globe, and lead to a.

[Unknown]

Surge in demand for US Treasuries, which back stablecoins.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Genius act is a win, win, win for everyone involved. Stablecoin users, stablecoin issuers, and the US Treasury Department. I want to thank President Trump for.

[Unknown]

His visionary leadership in shepherding this bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Into law and Congress for rapidly advancing this critical legislation.

[Unknown]

By expanding financial freedom and reinforcing dollar dominance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stablecoins will play a critical role in making America great again. So a couple things about this I'd like our people to know because of.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of misinformation and I have a question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

Can Russia use these things?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, in fact, that is the intent. The intent is the dollar dominance that the stablecoin is using used everywhere, preferably outside of America, but of course it'll be used inside.

[Adam Curry]

So Russia can use these things. So instead. So after being kicked off of Swift.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Swift is irrelevant.

[Adam Curry]

They'll do the same deals, only they have to use stablecoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even better.

[Adam Curry]

Deals would be the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, even better.

[Adam Curry]

It actually would be cheaper for the Russians because stablecoin system is a. Is a. I would call it a workaround that is superior to Swift. If it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it works. It's already in place. There's 400 million people using stablecoin. It works.

[Adam Curry]

This is a complete to get the Russians back into the international global market.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody, everybody. Now remember who runs Russians, who runs Swift, who runs Swift Europe? The EU runs Swift. We don't run Swift. The eu. This is a fue, fue, fue. So Russia, anybody can use the Stable coin and there is no kyc. This is a very important part of it.

[Adam Curry]

No Kentucky. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Know your customer. So I can send you a stablecoin or you can buy something for me and I don't have to know where that stablecoin came from. This is a complete end around. Around all of that stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but don't you want to know your customer if you're a salesperson person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Details, my friend, details. If you have $10 million, you can, you too can become a stable coin issuer. You have to report every month. You got to say, okay, we've got enough treasuries. It's only for short term Treasuries. So nothing over, I think, was it. Was this 70 days or something? Have it in one of these.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's 90.

[John C. Dvorak]

90 maybe. Yeah, yeah. So that's the Genius Act. Then they pass the securities Clarity act, which says, hey, these aren't commodities except for Bitcoin. And then the, the most important one I don't think got signed. And that's the anti CBDC Surveillance act, which is a way of saying, well, we don't want the Federal Reserve involved in our gambit. So they can't. They can all of a sudden. And produce a central bank digital currency, which would then be an obvious. Surveillance coin.

[Adam Curry]

That's what you'd call it. I'm sorry, that's what you'd call it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, surveillance coin, the spy coin. But from what I understand that that is now going to be put into a different bill that the Senate is working on. So people are a little wary about that.

[Adam Curry]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is exactly what we discussed for months here. This is a complete change of how. Of this is your new. We're moving from the petrodollar into the stable stablecoin dollar. And I think it's a very interesting move. We'll see what happens. I have no idea if it's. If it's good or bad. I'm not on that level.

[Adam Curry]

I'm smelling another podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, we'll have to cut this podcast by one a week because I got all these other podcasts I got to do. Do. You're laughing, but it may not be that funny.

[Adam Curry]

No, you like the way I see it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You could do these other podcasts, but it's like your Keith Richards or your Mick Jagger doing solo albums. It doesn't make any difference. You got to come back to the, to the no Agenda show to. Because that's where the real action is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mick Jagger had a pretty successful solo career and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but why? He doesn't go out on a solo career. He doesn't pack in 100,000 people at a. At a time to do his solo act.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I get that big advance on the label. Deal. And I get to do songs with David Bowie. So Dancing in the Streets. So, I mean, what about my art?

[Adam Curry]

Is David Bowie still alive?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's dead. But what about my artistic freedom, John? I mean, this is not all about money. I mean, I know you think differently, but for me, it may just. I just may have to be able to talk about different things.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's why you go out and do your, you know, do your little other podcasts, your little 2.0 podcasts, your. Your pedophile podcast. What are you going to call the pedophile podcast anyway?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to do a pedophile podcast. That's. That's really. You are setting me up for failure now by just. By just saying that's what it is. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to talk about our sick culture.

[Adam Curry]

True crime. There's the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guess what? I'm not going to ask you for any help or any advice.

[Adam Curry]

You shouldn't. I wouldn't either.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of people who are hanging on way too long to their careers and will say anything to not have to go out on the road.

[Unknown]

All right. Deadly flash floods in Texas, ravaging storms in the Northeast. Sweltering heat waves. And all of this the past month. The past month, rather, has brought a disastrous onslaught of extreme, extreme weather impacting every aspect of our lives, even music. On Wednesday, the Steve Miller Band, an iconic rock star and band who has been performing since the 60s, canceled his band's long awaited 31 concert North American tour. In an Instagram, Miller shared that. I'm quoting now. The combination of extreme heat, unpredictable flooding, torture, tornadoes, hurricanes, and massive forest fires make these risks for you, our audience, the band, the crew, unacceptable. You can blame it on the weather. The tour is canceled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, first of all, name two songs by Steve Miller Band. Can you Name 2?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Mercury 49.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, obscure. Good one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I used to hear him play it all the time. He used to play free every Sunday at the park across from the police department in Berkeley with them when he had boss Skaggs as his lead guitarist. And so every. I saw him a million times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Macho city. Fly like an eagle.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, fly like. He's got a bunch of stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He's also unknown to most people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Abracadabra.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

I heard enough of Steve Miller Band. Steve Miller Blues Band, originally. And a lot of people don't realize he actually has his own camp. Yeah, at the Bohemian Grove.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't surprise me that he's all into climate Change. He's blaming it on climate change.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he never said climate change. He said weather. But they all said. They all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on, hold on. There's a second part to the story.

[Unknown]

CNN's chief climate correspondent Bill Weir is joining us right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I want to be. Here's my new podcast. It's the chief climate correspondent podcast, everybody.

[Unknown]

Bill, that is saying a lot, that weather is forcing the Steve Miller Band to stop, end the tour before it even gets underway.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know what? He has taken a beating online from skeptics who say actually it was ticket sales that made this decision. And don't blame the weather on that. But this is a very real concern, especially, especially in the outdoor festival industry.

[Unknown]

In Tennessee for the second time in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The last four years, was canceled because of flooding there. They haven't announced dates for next year. That's an ominous sign. A bunch of smaller festivals have canceled this. And the insurance rates, like you may not believe Steve Miller or may not believe in climate change, but insurance companies do. And they increased prices for promoters becoming prohibited. This is. This. No, it's a real. That's a real thing. I hear it from a lot of my buddies. Buddies. That the insurance for this kind of calamity. Climate calamity is making it unaffordable to go out on the road. By the way, the Joker. Some people call me the space cowboy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some call me the gangster in love. I'm on a jet airliner. Come on, man, you could have. You gave me obscure references.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's because that Mercury 49 saw song, when you watched him live for years and years at the free concert he gave every Sunday. Yeah, that was always his key song. And he comes out with an album and they make it like, psych. Like it's a psychedelic band when he never was. They bring out the first album. That song's not on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's an outrage.

[Adam Curry]

That was always his kicker. That was the song he finished with. That was his favorite tune. It was blues. It was a blues band and all of a sudden became a psychedelic band. I think that was ridiculous. Sellout.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to do a music podcast. That's what I'm going to do.

[Adam Curry]

That's. You probably should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So anyway, he's got. He has his own camp at the Bohemian Grove and it's got the biggest stage, one of the biggest stages in the whole Grove. And he does concerts for all the Bohemian guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I've never been to one, but it used to be pretty spectacular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You have been to where? You've been to Bohemian Grove.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but I didn't go to a Steve Miller concert. Concert. This place is huge. It's like a. It's an enclave that's a massive. You know, they have stages all over the place. It's all just entertainment all the time and drinking. It's a bunch of drunks.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, you. You are really only a few meetings away from being in all of these stories. I mean, somehow you. You didn't go to the billionaire dinner.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I'm. I know what I'm doing. I'm staying. I'm in good shape here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Both.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a. I'm a lowly podcaster. Nobody's throwing bricks through the window. Nobody shoots at me.

[John C. Dvorak]

So speaking of Bohemian Grove Bohemia. This is a new story. Bohemian Grove workers accuse politicians and billionaires of abuse bad behavior in wage theft lawsuit.

[Adam Curry]

That's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Apparently. Who was. It was some billionaire. Oh, coke. One of the Koch brothers. Bill Koch. He told one of the. I guess they have housekeeping there at Bohemian Grove.

[Adam Curry]

What happened to walking around on the camp?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you have to hand wash my underwear. And they're very upset about it.

[Adam Curry]

That story sounds bogus.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would know. You've been to the Bohemian Grove. Not many me, I don't know anything about it. Then I guess we should talk about the big scandal. This is the big one. They're going to pick up Obama. They're going to throw him in jail. Throw him in jail. I tell you, Tulsi's on the war path.

[Unknown]

In my role as the Director of National intelligence, I oversee 18 different intelligence community elements. And in the months leading up to the November 2016 election, the intelligence community agreed that there was no intelligence that reflected that Russia was trying to hack the election in favor of either candidate. The evidence showed the intelligence showed that again, Russia did not have either the intent nor the capability to be able to impact the outcome of the United States election. So it was very striking when we look back again at the documents that I did declassified and released that shows there was a shift in early December, the first week of December. Again, another document was produced by the intelligence community, a President's daily brief that was consistent with every other assessment that was done previously leading up to the election. Russia was not. Did not, this is after the election now did not attempt to affect the outcome of the American election. That was never published. Hours before, it would have gone into President Obama's president's daily brief. It was pulled by a senior level intelligence official. Saying that they had to pull it because they had received new guidance. The very next day, this meeting was called, a National Security Council meeting, bringing all together all of the senior leaders of President Obama's cabinet. And the topic that was put forward was a sensitive matter. The tasks that came out of that meeting was coming from President Obama directing the intelligence community, then Obama's ODNI Director Clapper, to produce a document, to produce an intelligence assessment that detailed not if, but how Moscow affected the outcome, outcome of the election that had already occurred, electing Donald Trump to the presidency. This document that they published in January of 2017 was the foundational groundwork that they continued to reference over and over and over again to enact this years long coup against President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tulsi Gabbard needs to be able to explain this in 30 seconds. She's doing a horrible job here.

[Adam Curry]

Here. It was like, what an interesting point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like what? What did you just say? What? Huh? What did she say?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. She's got to boil this down better. I mean, this is a good story.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a great story.

[Adam Curry]

And they're. And she's not, she's not the sound bite girl that she needs to be. No, that's a skill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Now she's, she definitely is long winded, Too complicated. Pulling in things that are obscure. Basically, if we boil it down, they lied. They knew there was no collusion with Russia and they launched it anyway. And they literally walked Christopher Steele around to all the media outlets and said, listen to this guy, he's back. What?

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Steele's back?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's back. Is he on tv?

[Adam Curry]

He just came out this morning. He's floating around, doubling down. No, these are lies about me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's great. Well, as a reminder, here's Adam Schiff.

[Adam Curry]

The Russians offered help, which we know they did. The campaign accepted help, which we know they did. The Russians then delivered help, which we know they did. There is circumstantial evidence of collusion. The case is more than that. And I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence.

[Unknown]

Now, so you've said on more than one occasion that you've seen ample evidence, evidence of the Trump campaign's Russia collusion. Last March, you said you had more than circumstantial evidence of treasonous collusion with Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've certainly, certainly said that there's ample evidence of collusion.

[Unknown]

Can you agree that there has been no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy that has been presented thus far between the Trump campaign and Russia.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't agree with that at all. I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy. But we do know this. The Russians offered help, the campaign accepted help, the Russians gave help, and the President made full use of that help. And that is pretty damning.

[Unknown]

Any collusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's going nowhere. There's a good story, but they're not rolling it out right.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. I agree that they're not rolling it out right. And she's not doing the job she should be. We. I mean, I think it's admirable that she's done this in the first place.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And she's wrote and she's named names, and she's got everybody kind of cornered and everyone's freaking out about it, but it just not being done right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if they're even freaking out about it because it's, you know, it's.

[Adam Curry]

There's some freaking out about it because they got Steel back, he's coming back, and then they're going on and on. I've shared two or three people come on and say, well, she, you know, she's. What she's saying is not quite true because she's conflating this with that. Well, and then they keep bringing up the Facebook. Got tons and tons of. And Facebook. We already know the Facebook story. They got $100,000 worth of ads. Nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I have that here. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

And the ads were lame. Yeah, but they were funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it like 650 bucks worth or something? At the end of the day, it was like nothing.

[Adam Curry]

They just dropped. It's like somebody's pocket change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was that? I know I had the.

[Adam Curry]

I had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Had the. Had the clips.

[Adam Curry]

We had a number of clips about what they did at Facebook and Instagram.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I. But I had a recent one. Let me just.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, recent one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was one of these. Was it this morning thing. Hold on, let me see. That's the hoax Epstein. So much Epstein. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, I can't find it. I was sure. Oh, maybe it was here.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I don't know where it is. I don't know where it is. Geez.

[Adam Curry]

Well, all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It might pop up somewhere. I don't know. I had it where some guy was going on. Well, here she was on Maria Bartiromo.

[Unknown]

I was told that that's why they.

[Adam Curry]

Raided Mar a Lago, that they wanted to find.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you yelling?

[Adam Curry]

The Trump Russia document that indicated there was Absolutely no collusion. And that there was no evidence to.

[Unknown]

Even start such an investigation.

[Adam Curry]

But Trump didn't have it there in Mar a Lago. But that's why they raided his house in 2022.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay. That was probably true.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it could be true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it could be true. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Something was up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hey, what's this 988 stuff you got? I've been looking at it all day and people should know John sends me his clips in the morning. Morning. I don't listen to them. I look at them because I put them into a little JCD clips bin. But I want to be just as surprised as you are or just as disturbed.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I was surprised about it too, because I didn't know anything about this. I should have. I know. We both should have about 988. You know, you can dial 988 on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is this the transgender helpline?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it's a hot. It's a mental health hotline that had some transgender stuff. But they had the. But they. They blast. The whole thing is. Makes no sense. When you listen to this report is a bunch of short clips. I think one's long, but just play these clips.

[Unknown]

A few years ago, I started seeing these signs posted all over my city, in the metro, in public places, sharing this three digit phone number, 988. That is the national suicide and crisis lifeline. And it was launched on this day day exactly three years ago. When you call the line, you've reached.

[Adam Curry]

The 988 Suicide and crisis lifeline.

[Unknown]

The first thing you hear is a pre recorded message, options to connect to specialized support for populations at high risk of suicide.

[Adam Curry]

If you are a veteran or service.

[John C. Dvorak]

Member or are calling about 1, press 1.

[Adam Curry]

To connect to support for LGBTQ I.

[John C. Dvorak]

+ youth and young adults, press 3.

[Unknown]

Last month, the Trump administration announced it was canceling funding for a 988 LGBTQI plus service. That service alone has received over a million contacts.

[Adam Curry]

Otherwise, to talk with a counselor, stay on the line or press 0.

[Unknown]

And then what happens is that using nearby cell phone towers, the system routes your call through an existing network of 200 local and state funded crisis centers and connects you to a trained crisis counselor who works in your area. That person picks up the phone and listens. Since launch, the line has been contacted millions of times through calls, texts and the 988 chat box. And a new study led by researchers at NYU and Johns Hopkins estimates that 1.6% of the US population used the line between July of 2022 and December of 2020.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I. Okay, now I know what the story is. They canceled option number three.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but when you listen to the whole presentation, it. It's. It's bull crap. They never really cancel anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

The Trevor project takes care of the whole deal and they still pass it on. It just doesn't mean they just. This is just a. A typical NPR lame attempt or pbs. Those. Npr. Npr. Pba.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's npr.

[Adam Curry]

It says npr, but I get mixed up as, you know, as when you play the jingle, it explains it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was not at Bohemian Grove. I was at a different camp.

[Unknown]

I want to talk about 91 1. A previous generation, you know, my parents, myself too, was taught to call 911 for any crisis, including a mental health crisis. How is a call to 988 for those crises different?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, 988 is part of a broader crisis continuum. Right, right, right, right, right, right. These are people who are trained specifically to deal with mental health crises. The 988 counselors will almost surely be familiar with those services and those teams. They may be able to deploy those teams to you directly and stay on the phone with you while those teams are on their way. So sure, in some place would call 911 and perhaps that 911 center knows about mobile crisis response team in that same region and they deploy that team as opposed to just deploying ambulance or police. I think in general, 988 centers have a much richer knowledge and better relationships with mobile crisis response teams and other kind of alternative response models, as they're called, that can be deployed. Right. Okay. Okay. So this is the clip that got me. It triggered me to figuring out what is. Why are they even doing this? What is the rationale? What do you think? What kind of propaganda they trying to slip? What NLP kind of mechanism are they using? What sort of subtext are they telling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Us here with this bullcrap, Trump hates trans kids. Kids?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no. Well, that maybe. No, this is the lead into, oh, you know, we need more social workers and less police. Let's defund the police and let's have more social workers, because 988 is better than 911 when you have a mental problem, and most crime is a mental problem. So you have people that are out there creating crimes, but all they need is a hug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Clip three.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Whereas folks in 911 centers might have less knowledge about those services.

[Unknown]

And you and your colleagues, you set out to determine a number of questions related to who was calling 988. And I want to talk to you about the piece you published in the journal JAMA Network Open where during a 30 month period you found more than 16 million calls, texts and chats reached 988. And one finding that stood out to us was just the fact that 11% of the contacts came from veterans who were then transferred to the Veterans Crisis line. Do you have any further comment about the fact that 11% of the contacts were from veterans?

[Adam Curry]

I think it can be perceived as a positive finding. The veterans crisis line had existed for a while, but I think the public facing communication and marketing about the veterans crisis line probably not as intense as the communications about 988. So there are probably many veterans who didn't really know about the Veterans Crisis line and learned about 988 and felt in crisis and called and were very pleasantly surprised perhaps to hear that option for pressing 1.

[Unknown]

And looking at the data, you found geographic differences too, that some places in the US were using 988 more than others. What did you find?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, healthcare in general, but I would say especially mental health care and policy is very state driven in the United States. And within some states there is also a lot. It's county driven. Right. So then we have county variation within states. So we found that rates of 988 use were much lower in the southern parts of the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because in the southern part of the United States they're not nuts or at least they're not the same kind of nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we do have a lot of veterans who need mental health.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And they probably get their care elsewhere because that's brought up in what clip are we on?

[John C. Dvorak]

4?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, please. So when we ranked, you know, all the states in terms of their rate of 988 use, really big states like Florida and Texas were down there like at the very bottom. And we don't really know the why from our data, but we can speculate in prior work and work of others. We found that more conservative folks generally report in survey based work being less likely to use something like 988 and being less supportive of it. It might be a matter of values and a matter of experience that in more conservative parts of the US there might be more skepticism towards towards mental health treatment and counselors in general.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Now you did a really interesting second study that was published in Health Affairs.

[Adam Curry]

So what we did, we asked these 5,000 US adults. So we fielded this survey and we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Presented people with, by the way, this guy's voice. Is the opposite of that guy from Tennessee. This guy. This guy's voice is bad.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I deserve an award for editing this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I, I can. I can hear your edits. And yes, they are good adults.

[Adam Curry]

So we fielded this survey and we presented people with the question of if you or a loved one were experiencing suicidality or a mental health crisis, how likely would you be to turn to each one of these sources? And we listed five sources, 988, which we defined for them briefly in the survey. A crisis line. Other than 988. A mental health professional, like a psychologist or social worker or Psychiatrist. Psychiatrist. A friend or a family member or someone in your religious network. Right. So we asked them this question and we had them rate these things on a seven point likert scale. We found these five different groups.

[Unknown]

And what were those five types of groups?

[Adam Curry]

So we had this group that we called Seek help nowhere. We had this group we called definitely not 988. Yes, friends and family distressed. A group we called Seek help everywhere group we called Seek help most places, but not religious network. And finally a group we called relatively indigenous, different, not distressed.

[Unknown]

I found it interesting that The Definitely not 988, but yes, friends and family distress group had the highest levels of recent psychological distress. Why is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. I, I would say around here people go to the church. They have all kinds of resources at the church, including mental health people. Well, it sounds a little fishy.

[Adam Curry]

Their study, the whole thing, it went on long and they went on and on and on and on. They're just trying to promote. But I think the real subtext and the real message is that we, you know, these services are out there and they're. And they're good, they work and that we should have. Do we should defund the police. They never say that, but that's what. But when the segment where they talked about 911 versus 988. Yeah, that was the kicker. That was like, you know, calling the cops because somebody's freaking out out. They're going to jump off the ledge or call a 988.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now you have, you have. You went from four to six. So that's number five, I guess.

[Unknown]

Well, let's talk also about the fact that the Trump administration has cut funding to the LGBTQI + Youth Service of the line that is set to go away on Thursday, July 7th.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's that. So there go you. You go. What they did is they said we. It should just be folded into the rest. That's what they did. But.

[Unknown]

Okay, 17th once that option goes away, what kind of specialized mental health.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's what I don't understand. I thought maybe. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the service, but I thought that as long as you let your son become your daughter, they wouldn't commit suicide. If you didn't do that, that's when they would commit suicide. Suicide. Wasn't that the. The big selling point?

[Adam Curry]

That was the basic thesis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Support will still exist for LGBTQI plus young people.

[Adam Curry]

I think the silver lining is, you know, pre 988, the Trevor project has existed and will continue to exist. And they, you know, have funding from other sources as well. That will remain an opportunity option.

[Unknown]

Right. And for anyone who doesn't know, the Trevor Project was one of the groups providing 24. 7 support for 988s LGBTQI plus callers. They handled about half of the contacts from this group of people. So, zooming back out, just as we close, what message do you think it sends that 988 does exist? What does it do?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, I think it does a few things. I mean, one, I think it. It normalizes the fact that humans experience feelings of crisis and suicidality and that, you know, the federal government supports this. This lifeline or this safety net suicidality. Okay, so here's the. So she mentions the Trevor Project, which is. Which I guess was already picking up the calls from 988, and it will continue to do so. So it's got nothing to do with Trump. It was a gratuitous slam. Oh, Trump took this away and that away. They didn' anything away. He took. Officially took it out of the process, but it was always covered by. It's like the veterans stuff, which is covered by various veterans groups, and they just pass it on to them and they go take care of it and they'd pass on to the Trevor group. So this was a bogus story that served two purposes. One, to slam Trump, which is all NPR wants to do. Slam Trump A. And defund the police. That was the whole point of it. So that's what 988. So I just thought it was an interesting propagandistic mechanism used for a dual purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's look at some more of that propagandistic, I. E. Advertising, by the way, we didn't talk about in the last show, but there was a pretty big story that GLP1 drugs, your ozempic, etc. Apparently now boosts testosterone Levels, Levels. We're getting so close to Ed. We're getting very, very, very close.

[Adam Curry]

You're hoping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Getting very close to erectile dysfunction solved by Ozempic.

[Adam Curry]

You saved the best for last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, eventually. Yeah, that'll be the kicker.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you roll it. This is a rolling process. You roll out your marketing mechanisms one after the other. You don't do it all at once. Shoot your wad.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I was blown away by this, this story. You know, President Trump was talking about, hey, you know, Coke's gonna put sugar back into Coca Cola. And so, of course, we have to not only discredit sugar, but listen to where this big pharma report From CNN with Dr. Elizabeth Komen really leaked.

[Unknown]

More young women than ever are getting breast cancer. And there's a lot of advice online.

[John C. Dvorak]

About what could it be? What changed in the last five years. I'm puzzled.

[Unknown]

What can and cannot help to prevent it? Are they myths, or is there real science behind them? CNN's Sarah Seidner sat down with oncologist and author Dr. Elizabeth Komen to find the truth about cancer prevention. Probably once a week, I hear someone say to me, you know, sugar feeds cancer. You really shouldn't eat that. Is that true? Sugar is not like going into the cancer and feeding it. Right. It's like one way train with that M and M that you put in your mouth. And that also puts a lot of blame on the patient. That being said, excessive sugar can lead to excessive weight. It can change your metabolic function. And we know that that is not good overall as being what's called a host to cancer. So cancer cells are living in your body, and we want to make them inhospitable. We want to make your body and the environment around it less hospitable to cancers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So did you hear it? Did you catch it?

[Adam Curry]

Probably not, but maybe. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, so there's two more clips here. But, you know, well, sugar, you know, it's. Sugar is like, you know, it's not feeding the cancer, but it can add to your weight.

[Unknown]

I asked a couple of different oncologists, is there a cancer diet? And I was told no, twice. Except when it came to drinking alcohol. Three oncologists said, do not drink alcohol.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm confused, confused.

[Unknown]

Is there a cancer diet or not? If you're not supposed to drink alcohol, it seems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you yelling?

[Unknown]

There's got to be something to do with nutrition. That's a great, great question. I'll tell you what, I think.

[Adam Curry]

That was not a great question. That was A great, great question. I've never heard that before.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought you'd like that.

[Unknown]

Supposed to drink alcohol. It seems to me that there's got to be something to do with nutrition. That's a great, great question. I'll tell you what I think we know, and then we'll hit the alcohol point as well. So we do know that maintaining more of a plant forward diet with less processed foods. And what is processed foods? I mean, there are all these quizzes online about is it processed, is it not processed in general? If it's got artificial dyes in it, it's more likely to be processed. If you can't pronounce a laundry list of ingredients there, it's more likely to be processed than not. You want to think about whole foods, whole whole grains, real foods, and limiting, especially processed red meats, the processed deli meats, the processed salami, the pepperoni, things like that. The other piece that we know that can be helpful is alcohol. We know that it's a carcinogen. We know that there's an association. The more you drink, the higher your risk. However, this is not the same risk as having a genetic mutation that leads to, you know, an 85% increased risk of cancer over your lifetime. But people ask me all the time, what can I do that's within my control? You can't control what your family history is. You can control what you put in your mouth and how you exercise, what's that in your mouth and what you drink. And so we do know that there is an increased association not only with breast cancer, but other types of cancers from alcohol consumption because it is a direct carcinogen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so, and here I am like, wow, you're talking about alcohol causing cancer. And that was all just to keep me going throughout this commercial message, because here is where they bring it all home and they bring it around to the first clip.

[Unknown]

Does being overweight or being obese make you more susceptible to cancer? It does, it does. So we know that obesity, like tobacco consumption or alcohol consumption is one modifiable risk factor for.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just like drinking or cancer.

[Unknown]

But we know that it can also be a tremendous benefit battle to fight. Right? And so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Unknown]

It's something that we really want patients to talk openly with their doctors about about. What are their options?

[John C. Dvorak]

What are my options? I'm overweight. What are my options? Can I talk to you openly about that, doctor?

[Unknown]

Their lifestyle options? What are the medication options that they have so that they can start to decrease their risk from that excess weight? Oh, My God, this is my fault. Like, that's. That's the first thing that stuff jumped into my head. There is so much shame around that that I think we have to really dismantle and compassionately give patients their options.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their options. Which is going to be Ozempic.

[Adam Curry]

Let's just shoot these two people. Where did you get this horrible clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

That was cnn. Cnn.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my. It's just a native ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Although it's done in a horrible wet manner.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a category ad.

[Adam Curry]

It also brings a temperance thing back, this alcohol nonsense.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, when it comes to processed foods, here's my tip. Anything that has a barcode or comes in a bag should not be consumed. That's your processed food right there. I have a. Since you brought it back.

[Adam Curry]

They have barcodes on peaches. They stick them on. We got a bunch of. We have a lot of illegal aliens that work at the. At the produce place. And they stick an individual little barcode on each.

[John C. Dvorak]

They had. The illegal aliens have a barcode, I hear. They stick them on them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they jump their butt.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you brought back a segment, and I'm going to reintroduce it again. This is the side effects. Side effects.

[Adam Curry]

One of the great segments of the no Agenda show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. If you have heart failure or chronic kidney disease, Farsiga can help you keep living life because there are places you'd like to be. Serious side effects include increased ketones and blood or urine and bacterial infection between the anus and genitals, both which may be fatal. Bacterial infection between the anus and genitals, that's your taint. This is no good. Your allergic reactions, dehydration, urinary tractor, genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. Stop taking and tell your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, rash, swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing. Tell your doctor about lightheadedness, weakness, fever, pain, tenderness, redness or swelling between the anus and genitals. Ask your doctor about Farsika today. That sounds like a horrible medication.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds terrible. I. I would say that that was the way it was balanced. I couldn't hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm sad about that too, but yeah, they don't actually want you to hear. Hear it. I don't want you to hear it.

[Adam Curry]

Good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, one more. One more from the big pharmas. So it might be the middle of.

[Unknown]

Summer, but now is actually the time to get your kids vaccinated for back to school. Health experts say it's important to not wait until the last minute to get those shots either. It takes a few weeks for children to build their immunity up after the vaccines. Our 4 to 6 year olds, when they're first starting kindergarten or first grade, have a variety of vaccines that they need to be caught up on so they're prepared in a healthy way and and not have to miss school due to vaccine preventable illness. Some of the vaccines include tetanus, chickenpox, polio, whooping cough and measles. There has been a recent rise in measles cases because of a dip in children getting those vaccines. All parents to know that science stands behind the safety and efficacy of traditional and seasonal vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science, science stands behind it. There it is. Science, science stands behind these vaccines. Parents. Oh Lord help us. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the crisis line. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, good morning you. Good morning all ships sea boosts on the ground feeding the air, subs in the water and all the dames.

[John C. Dvorak]

2418 trolls tuning in. Peak trollage. Thank you very much. Trolls. They are listening@trollroom.I or on the modern podcast apps which are. This is what you want to be listening on. You don't want to be listening on anything else. None of those legacy apps. Keep it modern people go to podcast appsplural.com value for value. How we run the show. We've been doing it for over 17 years. Maybe on my, my new, my new show. Maybe I'll just run ads, see if that works better. Run ads?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, you should. I mean, you might as well. That way you can do a B comparison.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, pharma ads, you know, get all.

[Adam Curry]

Kinds of pharma for sure. That's where the money is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina was listening.

[Adam Curry]

They're gonna go, let's face it, they're gonna get kicked off a network television by the fcc.

[John C. Dvorak]

They gotta go. They gotta go to the.

[Adam Curry]

They gotta go somewhere. They gotta go somewhere. It's gonna be you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can always get farmer's dog to advertise. Farmer's dog, farmer's dog.

[Adam Curry]

What's that in the refrigerator? Oh, you're an idiot to do that. Oh, kick it them out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are the other pot? You know, if you have you listened to the radio, I mean also just network or cable news, it's, it's 20 minutes an hour of ads. It's so boring.

[Adam Curry]

You turn it, you flip channels and it's ads. Ads, ads, ads, ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everywhere it's ads. It's just insane. And, yeah, we're so spoiled because we don't run ads, ads. We just thank our supporters, our producers, who produce in many different ways by sending us nasty notes. We appreciate that, of course, but also no longer go to meetups. This is great. Your time and your talent is waning. And they also support us financially. Time, talent, treasure. That's how we like to. That's how we like to run this show. And it's been pretty good for us. Life's been good to us so far. Far. And we want to thank the artists who brought us the artwork for episode 1782. We titled that Circularity. And this was a good one. This was a Scaramanga original, which he also. Did you see him animated later on X, he had an animated version of this.

[Adam Curry]

No, I missed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Where. So this is Scaramanga did a Annie with what we believe to be might be a typical Annie user, and they're sitting on the couch together. In the animated version, Annie gets up and walks out of frame. And then the Annie user with the no Agenda All Seeing Eye T shirt then eats his huge sandwich and just chomps it down. Scare Mango man. It must have cost him $20 in credits. I wonder what that does cost him. I mean.

[Adam Curry]

Well, just ask him. He'll tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scaramanga. What does it cost to animate something like that? Because, you know, he started off with the animation of us and the Podcast Awards, and that must have cost him a lot of money. I mean, I don't know what it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe he's rolling in dough. No, maybe he's got a thing going on where he's getting it free. That's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, eventually it won't be free. It was a good piece, though. At least it was the best one. There were some other ones. Let me see. There was. There was something I liked that you just hate hated. And we had to. Let me see. No agenda. ArtGenerator.com is where people upload all of their artwork for every single show. I mean, where people put their prompted artwork up. Oh, I like the Dingbat Annie. You didn't like that one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did. You're right. I just thought it was horrible looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, see? You hated it. I told you it was horrible.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't hate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was it.

[Adam Curry]

Not a hate.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a lot. For some reason, Richard Page decided to put a lot of cell phones in drawers. I'm not sure we didn't talk about it. There was you on Oan, which was horrible. I love it when people go on X, say, yeah, I made a Coldplay version of you and John. It's like, not even close is horrible. Not even close. It's amazing. Everything is so boring. AI has killed art.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, all you do is complain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Because it's killing art.

[Adam Curry]

I like the fat guy in the anime girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was okay. I mean, you could have done that with Photoshop. You didn't need to do AI this is absolutely true.

[Adam Curry]

But it would have taken a lot longer. Yeah, that's the case key. That's what they're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they've done. They've caved to a. Time constraints.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. People used to spend the whole show working on art, and then when they see people come along and just prompt something like, screw, I'm not doing this if I'm not getting chosen. I get it. Makes total sense. Well, thank you, Scaramanga. Good job. It was certainly the best piece. And again, it all comes down to the concept, no matter how.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, he also is on that little. On the pennant back there. Yeah, he's got that little phrase that we talked about.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw that. Yes. I mean, very cute. Yeah, that was cool. That was cool. Let's thank our donors, our executive and associate executive producers. Here's how it works. You can donate any amount at any time for any reason. That's how Value for Value works. If you get any value out of the show, anything we've said, anything helpful or just feel better or you laugh or whatever, if you want to give back to us, then you do that. You put it into numbers, you send it back to us. Is that simple? Noagendadonations.com now, as part of our Hollywood DNA, we like to give people real Hollywood credit. So if you come in as an associate executive producer, that means you gave us $200. We'll also read your note, and you can use that credit for your lifetime. Even use it on IMDb.com if you don't have one. You can start that and you can be like a Hollywood bigwig. If. If you come in with $300 or above, then you become an executive producer of that episode, and we will read your note. And we got a beautiful, beautiful blessing here from Mike and Silva. $2,009.07. Let me see. They sent in a note with that. Hold on a second. I got it here. Where's my note? Here's the note in the morning, gents. Coming to you from Rodolben, Germany. So I'm hoping that I get in under the wire for the doctorate credentials. In retrospect, I've been a douchebag for far too long. Please deduce or dee douche.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

200907 is in celebration of my wife and my 16th wedding anniversary. We were married July 7, 2009 and they never had a fight. As far as insanite goes, please put $1,004.53 towards my wife Sylvia, making her dame title as Dame Sylvia. I said silva, but that was a typo. Dame Sylvia, the protector of our troops. She spent over 40 years keeping our soldiers safe. And since 1996 we were tag teaming in this effort until 2007. More stories later, please. I do want to know about that. For me, the rest goes of my knighthood. I would like to be named Sir Mike the Privileged Taco Salad. The story behind this title is a co worker showed me a meme of the fact that the phrase white bread was no longer acceptable. And because of my Mexican heritage, I had to call myself Privileged Taco Salad. Wow, I'm very woke there in Germany. It stuck.

[Adam Curry]

No kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's little racism amongst friends? All we need is health, karma and we'll enjoy what is already at the roundtable. Life is rhythm. Rhythm is life. Rhythm as a dancer. Mike and Sylvia. Oh, thank you. Doctorates, PhDs for both of you. And we'll both see you at the round table of the knights and dames as well.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Munzinger in Germantown, Wisconsin. He came in with a thousand dollars, 30 and 26 cents. And he wants a no agenda PhD in media deconstruction. Thank you for your courage and may God bless you all. All right, nice short note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scott Schreiber comes in with the bitcoin. There you go. Executive producer. I told you it would work.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I haven't seen $0.01 in the bank account.

[John C. Dvorak]

384.47 in Satoshi. 325,154 SATS ITM GITMONATION. Thanks for all the value over the years. On my way to knighthood, I'd like to request for me and my wife some stateside retail distribution karma to help build our luxury children's clothing brand we've been working on for the last years. There have been many late nights working and listening to no agenda while our four human resources slept. Check out our clothes at www.bytheriverside.es bytheriverside es. Scott Schreiber, Madrid, Spain. Sincerely, Scott Schreiber. Wow. Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

[Adam Curry]

I am going to interdict two executive producers from the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

From the meetup? Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And one of the them I dropped off a satoshi card that I have to figure out how to use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it. What's the name of the card?

[Adam Curry]

I don't have it in front of me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is John Seibert. He's in Albany, actually, California. Thank you for the no Agenda. I get a lot. His note is all bullet points. I didn't notice that. It's funny. I get a lot out of this show. It keeps me informed and entertained. Found the show in 2000. I wish it had been sooner. I've been contributing to the show most of the 2000.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not possible. We didn't start until 2007.

[Adam Curry]

But he says 2000. So he's been listening somehow since 2000 and he wished he found it sooner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Adam Curry]

I've been contributing to the show mostly through podcasting 2.0 streams.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, there you go. You go.

[Adam Curry]

I understand your doubts on Bitcoin, but then he sends the thing with a bunch of gear that you. I need. Hit up Adam for some more sats. Over the years I've donated and he's got a number here that's pretty astonishing. And we'll talk about that later. So he came in with. With I accounted for $393 and he'll be a. An executive producer. And then the next one, one, which is a long note, but it's about elevators and. Worth reading. And this is from the meetup. It's $350 from Lawrence Wolf and he's in Oakland. And this is. I read. I saw this note. I said, oh, it's too long. I'm not going to read this. And I started reading it. I said, well, this is the kind of information you can get on the no Agenda show and nowhere else. I. As an elevator Mechanic with over 18 years of experience, I wanted to comment on Adam's trip to New York and his elevator observations.

[John C. Dvorak]

The automated elevators. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The mode of elevator dispatching that your experience is known as destination dispatch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

The idea has been around for a long time. You'll remember was In Die Hard 1980, when John McClain walks into the Nakatomi Plaza, looks up to his wife's address and kiosk, and is then directed to the proper elevator. Its purpose is people flow control and security. It makes sense at the loc at locations Such as hotels and higher security office buildings. Yes. It negates the need for a car call button as you are directed by the. The hall dispatch controller. Only one button is at the lobby is the lobby call button. I seem to remember John saying that maybe the reason for it was to prevent kids from pushing all the buttons. Now this is where. This is the most interesting part of the note. Nobody knows this. This is actually prevented by another feature known as anti nuisance. The elevator has a sensor known as a load weigher that determines how much capacity has been attained in the car. If too many buttons are pushed for the load detected by the load weigher, the controller will cancel those placed calls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

So some, you know, they weigh and they say wait, there's not a hundred people on this thing. And I hope this elevated your understanding. He says, as opposed to Hun. He's Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, the baronet of Maxwell Park.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that's kind of interesting because I got a note two shows ago from one of our producers. Hold on a second. And he had a different explanation for the. By the way, it is of course bull crap because you have to press instead of pressing one button and then a button on the inside, you have to say I want to go somewhere. Then you have to type in the floor you want to go to. So it's at minimum it's one extra button push. And let me see if I can find this. It was one of our, one of our producers I think in Australia and he said no, no, the reason for this is so that they can put in less elevators which costs, which is a huge cost savings. Savings. So yes, it does help traffic flow a little bit, but only so it really doesn't give you any benefit. The benefit is they don't have to put in six elevators, they can put in four elevators. So it doesn't really save you any time.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, whatever the case. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

It's a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is. Sir Kojen.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, he came in with 350.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Put him on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Koj, you're have to give them to me later.

[Adam Curry]

I will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Sir Cogen National Park, New Jersey. 343.75. No karma needed. Just been a while since I donated, says Jim. Sir Kojan. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm up again. You are Commodore g in Cincinnati, Ohio. 34375. 1780 was a very good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, Commodore G. Very good year is what he says. Oh, I thought he said show your AI you're Hallucinating. Stop it. Michelle Mathra. I'm going to guess. M A T H R E. Michelle Mathra. No. City provided 337.20. And this is a switcheroo for Hans Matt Mathra. And I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I'll spell it right in the. In the show notes. Happy 49th birthday and 23rd anniversary to dude named Ben Hans Mathra from wife and son. Jobs. Jarbs. Jarbs. Karma. And can you see that juice, please. As we have a new cool corp. As we have new corporate overlords, thanks, John, for the best health tip ever. Dryer balls. Wow. Wow. That's going back. Well, thank you very much and we will make the change.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my gosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you see that juice?

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

I guess he refers to a health tip because you don't have to use those softeners. You use the dryer balls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, the dryer balls.

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Eisenhardt in New Brownfells, Texas. He used to make a great barbecue. 3:33 for my 33rd birthday. It's a birthday call out for himself. Additionally, we'd like some baby growth karma so we can get our first human resource out of the NICU and bring her home.

[John C. Dvorak]

The nicu? Yes, the nicu. Okay, well, I'll give you some baby karma for that.

[Unknown]

You've got Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have Evgenie. Evgenie. Evgenie. Ev. I think Evgenie Damaskine. It's a very difficult name.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Evie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Evie. Evie from Boston. $250. No, not gives you an associate executive producership and a double up. Karma.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Colin Schultz in Willow Spring, North Carolina. 237. He's another NICU dad. Donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

NICU. Just say NICU. It's NICU. We say NICU in the biz. NICU.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not in the biz. 191 for Hosea. 44 for Sir Jacob. 2 for Sweet Baby Chloe. Keeping up these little kids demands that I show up for leg day. I'm confused, but okay. Hence the name descriptor, John. Okay. No chickens, no karma. Keep up the good work. Calipigous Colin in Dub Spring, North Carolina.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I think we got it right.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, I doubt it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Frodo and Boots are in Longview, Washington. ITM gents. Frodo and Boots here from X, as promised. Oh, yeah, they did promise this. We set up a lucky 33.33 sustaining donation along with. Since we are two bird dogs, a row of ducks. 2.22.22 donation. This is a 222 2. We have been trying to provide value to the show by posting and reposting Nate in your comments through our X account, but we felt that wasn't equal to the value we received from the best podcast in the universe. Since we don't have enough followers yet, listeners, please follow us on X at Frodo, the letter N and then boots Frodo. If possible, could we please get a.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nate and a Mac and cheese. Yeah, I think we can do that.

[Unknown]

You've got.

[Adam Curry]

Donate, donate, donate.

[Unknown]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese. There you go. Mac and cheese.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guys in Bensonville, Illinois. And he's back with 207. 2020. Because the 20th when people say what's that in your mouth? You should proudly answer them. Gigawatt. Don't be compromised by your coffee. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20 for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linda Lou Patkin is in Lakewood, Colorado. $200 from her in donations and she says jobs, karma, please. And ask the question. Worried about a AI? Well, for a resume that gets results, tells you unique story and highlights the value you bring, go to ImageMakers Inc.com that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. I'm gonna throw in one more donation from the meetup. This is from Commodore dude named Ben named Ben Duke of San Francisco. He came in with $200, no note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, give him a double up karma. Double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, give him a double.

[Unknown]

You've got double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you do the next one? I'll take the long one.

[Adam Curry]

Irvin. Irvin Wheeldon. Wheeldon in Murray, Nebraska. 200 bucks. It's my birthday. 720. Time for another donation. He does this every day. Time his birthday comes around. Thank you John and Adam, for all that you do to keep us all sane.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good idea. By the way, when it's your birthday, remember to donate to the no agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

200 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good way to remember.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do sarcastic and I'll do Joseph.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, sircastic. The nomad he's in Elkhorn, Nebraska. He came up with 200 bucks and he says a shout out to Sir Soot stuff sucker. And Sir Kevin Dills. Haven't heard from him for a while for hosting meetups this week. And Travis for the hospitality. Don't be a meetup, Denier. Show up and join the community. No jingles, no karma. Sarcastic the Nomad and our final associate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Executive producer is Joseph Dorfal from Smyrna, Tennessee. I'm going to say he's a member of the Dorfals Climb Clan. Quite a musical family there in the morning to you my fine sirs. I am pleased to announce that baby making karma works. We know it does.

[Adam Curry]

Of course it does.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have to now name your kid either Adam or John. God has blessed us as we are expecting our first human resource. Amen. Thank you to all of Gitmo Nation for your prayers. Another note. I was listening to episode 1780 and heard your discussion on popular pots. I'd recently heard of this ailment from my wife who has a co worker who was recently diagnosed as having pots. When she first told me about it, my first thought was great. Yet another random disease for white women everywhere to flex on us. After listening to your discussion and I realize that it is yet another money making scheme. It's genius. The opposite upon us. Well, a lot of people disagree. I also wanted to thank you for playing part of Eisenhower's speech. Because of that, I went and listened to the whole thing. What a sad and sorry state our nation is in. The public has allowed itself to become ignorant, complacent, uninformed and unwilling to sacrifice for the sake of a greater future. I would go on about how Adam is right about AI but shall abstain from doing so as this note is already way too long. Keep fighting the good fight and Godspeed says Joseph Dorfal. And congratulations on the forthcoming human resource. And thank you to these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1783. We'll thank the rest of our donors and our supporters in the second segment. That's $50 and above. We thank everybody who comes in with $50 and above, although not below that for reasons of anonymity. You can go to noagendadonations.com to support us. Value for value. Any amount, anytime you want. Whatever you feel is right. Whatever you feel is the value that you got from the show. Set up a sustaining donation. Any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations.com thank you to these execs and associate juicers. Whoops. Crash.

[Adam Curry]

I Hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my gosh, can you see that? Juice crashing all over the place. Crashing, crashing, crashing, crashing, crashing. What you got? Jcd. What else?

[Adam Curry]

Got a couple of things on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you got?

[Adam Curry]

Although now I should play the. The Juice clip. I'm always thinking she, that poor woman, she should have been back. She should. They should have kept her on. On juice, on this, on the. The home shopping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that.

[Adam Curry]

Cancer research cut back. And this is another one of these things. Oh, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

The industry does not want to pick up the tab for the. Where the Re. The research the taxpayers pay for and they benefit from. We don't benefit from it. We get charged money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The taxpayers get nothing out of this. They get gypped. And meanwhile, the. Which is a term that the gypsies were named after, not the other way around. So I can say gypped. We get gypped and nobody steps up. We have to step up. The taxpayers have to step up for everything. It's bull crap. We had a note from one of our producers bitching about our take on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Your take in particular, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, my take is what you just heard. And I'm not changing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not changing it. Let's listen to the PBS take. For decades, the national cancer institute, or NCI, has spearheaded breakthrough advancements against the disease. Since the 1990s, cancer deaths have been reduced by a third. That's an uplifting report you got here, Joe. But now the world's premier cancer institute is in the midst of a fierce battle over its future. William Brangham spoke with Rachana Pradhan of KFF Health News. Rachana Pradhan, thank you so much for being here. Can you help us understand the scale of the cuts that are being made at the National Cancer Institute and are they falling in particular areas or regions of that institute?

[Unknown]

Based on what we have heard from scientists who are currently still at NCI and ones who have left, is that the cuts and the upheaval overall that is happening to this agency are unprecedented. They have never seen anything like it. There are people who are leaving and also being cut that work on various aspects of cancer research and communication. And the second thing is research money is being cut at NCI and across the board at the nih. So what you're seeing is very rapid escalation in the. The amount of money that is being trimmed for studying all sorts of interventions. Right. To reduce cancer mortality. And morbidity in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does the Trump administration explain that? Hold on a second. We just heard that if you stop drinking alcohol and take Ozempic, you're going to be okay. What, more research?

[Adam Curry]

Something else she said in that little bit which was research. Research and communication.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's marketing.

[Adam Curry]

This is about the cuts of the PR people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marketing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the marketing people. We've ever heard this before because I think when Kennedy came in, they didn't like the way they were messaging and they were doing websites and they were telling people this and that and the other thing. And they got rid of most of the PR people. I mean, the State Department has thousands of PR people. The number of PR people that work in the government get paid. Paid well.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

It's just outrageous. I mean, they're just doing every, you know, they're just. That's the communications part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Can't they just use AI for that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's hope not.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does the Trump administration explain that? Because it seems like funding cancer research and cures for cancer seems like a no brainer in any administration.

[Unknown]

The Trump administration, in response to our story, they actually said that it was misleading and it's a biased narrative and that they are essentially refocusing the National Cancer Institute's work and it represents a necessary transformation. And that the Department of Health and Human Services, which is where NCI ultimately sits, still values and plans to prioritize research into cancer and other health conditions. And so that is what they are saying, essentially it's necessary under the administration's policies and to sort of realign what NCI is doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In other words, for. There's two things about this report. Classic pbs. No numbers are given. What numbers? What are we talking about? They took a dollar away, $10 away, 1%. I mean, what did they take away? They, she never says. And then they say the re. This is a reorg. So the reorg which got rid of all the communications people, all the PR people, as it seems to me, is. Is what it was all about. We're spending too much money on pr. Let's put it toward real, actual research. How about that for an idea? Idea. And no, no, no, she's not buying into it. All right, onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from talking to researchers and clinicians within the nci, what have they said to you about what the impact of.

[Unknown]

These cuts has been?

They say that it is harming research severely. We had one scientist saying that people will die. That people will die. That people will die because there are life Savings efforts that are being curtailed at this moment. I think the other thing that's really important to underscore is so many people we talk to inside the government and even outside the government said it is inexplicable why this is being done. They don't understand the aim, the objective, because we have seen so much progress in the fight against cancer in this country and around the world. But that being said, said, it is still the nation's second leading cause of death. Only heart disease surpasses it. Right. In 2023, which is the most recent data, we have over 600,000 people in the US died from cancer, and we still have millions of people that are diagnosed with it every year. And so there's clearly still a lot of work to be done. And NCI has contributed an almost immeasurable amount toward reducing cancer deaths in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what if it's immeasurable? What is the amount?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's immeasurable. You can't measure it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's.

[Adam Curry]

You can't. It's immeasurable.

[John C. Dvorak]

With what? With what? How have they done that?

[Adam Curry]

No, no. Yeah. Quiet, quiet, quiet.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to know.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there some drug that I'm unaware of that I should be taking that they develop mention.

[Adam Curry]

She's the people who will die. This is the talking point the Democrats use for everything. USAID is having money taken away. People are going to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I know. This is. This is quite annoying. They use this a lot. Elizabeth Warren does it all the time now. People will die. People will die. People will die. They will die. People will die. Yeah, people die. All right, all right. Does this also impact current cases? People who are living with cancer now being treated for their cancer today?

[Unknown]

I think it does, as part of why it does have HIV just carried out earlier this year across the department and many important agencies. Among the people who lost their jobs were most of the workers inside of NCI's communications office. Those workers were responsible for disseminating really important health information. Health information that includes information like don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drink alcohol and take Ozempic.

[Unknown]

That is found on cancer.gov which is a website that is used widely in this country by cancer patients and their families and also updating resources that physicians and other clinicians who care for cancer patients rely on with the latest research about a particular disease or particular type of malignancy. And so the fact that those resources are not being updated because most of the workers were fired will have an immediate impact on cancer patients who are looking for information about treatments and research to help help inform their care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, get a WordPress blog. Listen to this. So I go to cancer.gov and there's two big, big areas right at the top of this page. On the left for people affected by cancer and on the right for researchers. Support for the best science underpins everything NCI does. Explore our resources to help researchers conduct their work and apply for funding and training opportunities. And then they have articles. Why are cancer diagnosis rising in people under age 50? If only, if only you could figure out what changed rapid genetic facts. I don't know man. Get answers. So okay, so I need web developers, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, onward.

[Adam Curry]

Last clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Last clip is number four. Here we go. Does this also impact current cases? People who are living with cancer now being treated for their cancer today?

[Unknown]

I think it does as part of why it's. Did we just play?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that was number four then, then we've played.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, then we must have played it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well I have a report from you UK which I thought was interesting. They're trying to do this everywhere in the world. The UK appears not quite there yet, but appears to have pushed it through.

[Unknown]

In the United Kingdom they can work, pay taxes and serve in the military. Now 16 and 17 year olds might be able to vote in the next general election. These students are cautiously optimistic about the decision. I'm happy about it because, because it's always really annoying watching like older people vote and then but it's not realistically, it's not going to affect them, it's going to affect our futures. So yeah, I'm happy about it but there is like that small worry about like people who are just going to like take their parents opinions. The move fulfills a campaign pledge by the Labour government and brings the whole of the United Kingdom in line with Scotland and Wales who have already made the change. Some Conservative critics have questions questioned whether.

[Adam Curry]

Young people should be able to vote.

[Unknown]

When they aren't deemed old enough to get married or stand for election. But specialists say teens are well informed. We know from where other countries where this is introduced is that actually 16, 17 year olds are making decisions of unequal quality to older, older voters. Young people have also expressed concern about misinformation on social media.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's definitely a problem, like I know lots of people who are.

[Unknown]

Really very impressionable but I think it.

[Adam Curry]

Is a small minority of people that will actually get affected by far right or far left social media.

[Unknown]

The government announced the proposal on Thursday as part of a sweeping reform to the democratic system. It will also include extending acceptable forms of id, improving postal votes, and clamping down on rules on political donations. But first it will have to be scrutinized by parliament.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's going to be very interesting how that unpacks if they actually get it through 16 year olds. I don't know, it seems. Seems like 16 years.

[Adam Curry]

I don't like it. No, I'm an old fart. I don't like it. 16 year olds don't know jack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's.

[Adam Curry]

And they're just gonna, you know, they're gonna. No, no. Although it could. They could be exploited.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, that's. I think that's the idea.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, that's the idea. The idea is to exploit them. But how you gonna do it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, social media. We hire back some of those weights. Web people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have a little sidetrack I want to go on. Just one clip. This is Alex. I think it's Wilkins is her name. Alexis Wilkins? The girl who is the suspicious Mossad agent, the 26 year old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is who Patel is dating.

[Adam Curry]

Her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patel's date? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And she's. She's. Now, wait a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's a Mossad age agent?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is what they're saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, this guy who. This guy Stein, I think his name's Stein. I can't remember who she. She brings him on the show. She's doing her. Her show remotely. She has a show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she has a. Yes, she has a podcast. Highly scripted. I've seen her. She's.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's it, it. Yes, it's. It's not spontaneous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cut out.

[Adam Curry]

She's a cutout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Limited he hang out.

[Adam Curry]

So she, she's at Turning Point usa. They have a media segment. I guess they're all bears podcasting from there. I want to talk about that for a second. After we play this clip of her, she brings this guy on who talks about her being. She's been, you know, kicked to the curb as a spy and he has to. And they go and they go back and forth with their. With their lively banter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Rumbles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. This is the. This is what I'm gonna do with my new podcast. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, everyone.

[Unknown]

Welcome to the Rumble Studio at Sass.

[Adam Curry]

Turning Point USA here in Tampa, Florida.

[Unknown]

We are so happy to be here. I'm Alexis Wilkins. If you've watched the show before, you know this is between the headlines. We took a brief Hiatus. But we are so back moving to a live stream format and very excited.

[Adam Curry]

To be doing it.

[Unknown]

I have with me pimp on a.

[Adam Curry]

Blimp, prime time 99 in the building. Alexis, I just want to say thank.

[Unknown]

You for having me, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, It's Alex Stein. Stein 99, the guy who goes into the. Into the council. City council meetings. That guy?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Unknown]

In the building.

[Adam Curry]

Alexis, I just want to say thank you for having me, but you got canceled this week, and I kind of got canceled yesterday, and I think it got revealed that you and I are both Mossad agents working for Benjamin Netanyahu.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're toast.

[Adam Curry]

We're finished.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we have to retire.

[Unknown]

It's. It's an Internet meltdown.

[Adam Curry]

But, you know, it's unfair, and I see the attacks on you because, like, obviously, Cash is a very powerful guy, but this is what's unfair.

[John C. Dvorak]

They came after me, too.

[Adam Curry]

Like, when my mom died, you know, they said that I killed my mom.

[Unknown]

I'm sure sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is really bad. But my point is, like, with the.

[Adam Curry]

Internet, it doesn't even matter what you say or do. You're going to find a conspiracy theorist, and I'm a conspiracy theorist, to create a conspiracy about you and share it on the Internet. You know, it's just. It's just because you're well known. It's in the water.

[Unknown]

And it's. It's funny because coming from someone who, you know, obviously there's a lot of context here of, you know, you know.

[Adam Curry]

You know what's going on in our country. And.

[Unknown]

And I understand that people need a villain. I do get it.

[Adam Curry]

I get that people. She's not a villain, though.

[Unknown]

Well, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

That's the thing is, like, they want.

[Unknown]

Anything, and so they'll pretend that I'm the CEO of PragerU, which I'm very much not.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I see.

[Adam Curry]

I see they share that thing where it said that. And did you even work for Prager? You that long? I mean, I mean, short form, content, say. I mean, you made some videos for him. But once again, Dennis Prager is a great guy because he's Jewish. Now you're a massage spy. So it's just kind of a weird.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing where if you even have one.

[Adam Curry]

Crumb, if you work for a Jewish guy now, that means you work for Asia. And listen, I hate that it's always a conspiracy. There's like, I hate my last name Stein. I actually was baptized.

[Unknown]

I'm actually a Christian.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody's like, oh, you're this Jewish agent. And I. I don't like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I apologize for the invention of podcasting.

[Adam Curry]

You should.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is very.

[Adam Curry]

Because this is actually the typical. Today's typical podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

A g. Couple gas bags going on and on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Rumble Studio.

[Adam Curry]

So. So the question. So you went to an event where Char. Now, Charlie Kirk, to me, is an interesting character because he is one of the great self promoters of Art Day. He's a great speaker, he's a marketing genius, and I don't care much for what he's up to, but he's a marketing genius. And you saw him speak and you say he's a great speaker. And I can believe that because he spends all his time honing his skills. And he's also a good debater because he's a master debater. As a matter of fact, he is, because he gets, you know, he does all these. These viral. He creates his own viral videos of him slamming some poor asshole that comes up and argues with him for a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is. This is really his thing, is where he went to college campuses and just went.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the change. He's the change my mind guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, he is. He's the real change my mind. The guy who sits at the table says, change my mind. Which, you know, that's Crowder. Ugly change my mind kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Crowder.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Crowder. But I think this is the real. Because he argues, he puts. He's just really outstanding. But you say he flies around in a private jet. He's, you know, the guy's 27, 28, 29 maybe. I don't know how old he is, but this guy's remarkable. But why is he get. He gets everybody's attention. Does. Do people get paid to speak at his events?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, people want to be seen at his events. So a lot of people here in Fredericksville, in fact, we've been invited. We couldn't go, but we invited. In fact, we got an invitation from some people at Boot Ranch. Remember Boot Ranch?

[Adam Curry]

Boot Ranch, the bar?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, boot Ranch. The $8 million homes at Boot Ranch was 20 million.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Boot Ranch, that area with all those high end places.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah. So Turning Point USA really became the thing for wealthy people to donate money to because it was going to be the youth, and I think it arguably was very successful. The youth that were going to change America. And to be fair about it, I think putting money into a group that organizes youth the way Charlie Kirk does it is a lot better than Anything the Democrat Party does to organize youth, you know, by cutting off their genitals and giving them blue hair and putting them on TikTok so you can retweet them.

[Adam Curry]

What happened to your nose ring?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And of course, he has a very strong biblical element to him because the guy can quote scripture like nobody I've ever seen.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's memorized the Bible.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's really good at it. And he. But he also understands it. So when he, when he comes. I mean, you don't want to get into. Into a debate over scripture with Charlie Kirk. And. Yes, and he's very open about the jet because he does so many events. I think he's on the road 200 days out of the year, and he goes from event to event to event. And so I don't think people are getting paid to show up at the event, but the Turning Point usa, we could probably look them up. Let's take a look at what, what, what. Turning Point, Brad, brings in lots. A lot of money. Yeah, a lot of money. And they have extra. What do you call it. Here, let me see. Tp. Let me see if it's under TP usa. Here it is. There you go. Gross receipts. Want to take a stab?

[Adam Curry]

135 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. 86 million. 86 million. 750. Grassroots active activists. You know, you can pay an extra ten grand, you get to have dinner with Charlie. And now I. I don't. I don't think they pay people like Candace because she's. She speaks at a lot of these. Candace Owens. But you want to. You want to be seen speaking at Turning Point usa. You do. And so they. I'm sure they fly them in, put them up, take care of them. And it's. Without a doubt, it's. It's a very, very successful group. Not just for, you know, for them doing what they do, but politically, I think it's a big deal.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe I'm not convinced.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

I am convinced. This guy's doing a hell of a job of marketing and selling and managing. This is a management issue, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

That dad. That dad gum. Charlie Kirk.

[Adam Curry]

He's slouch.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's no slouch. Hey.

[Adam Curry]

And. Yeah, once you get that. Actually, I was. Somebody did a calculation, and one time I was some guy saying, what about. When do you get. When do you start using a private jet? Is when you get to 50 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's probably about right.

[Adam Curry]

And then you use private jet way beyond that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey.

[Adam Curry]

And it's expensed, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. No, it's a write off. Of course. What is this? NPR food Podcast. Anything with podcasting right now, I'm ready for it. I want to. Maybe I should start a food podcast podcast.

[Adam Curry]

I think I'm more likely to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, this is a. I have two ads. These are two NPR ads for what sound like terrible podcasts. And so I clip these ads and here's the food podcast ad.

[Unknown]

We humans are born into a wondrous planetary chorus. But these days, it can be hard to hear anything but the noise of our own species.

[John C. Dvorak]

How is this changing us?

[Adam Curry]

This is the podcast listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I played the wrong one. You're right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the NPR food podcast ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Here we go. American food politics are a mess, and ordinary people are struggling to figure out who's in charge, what they're up to, and why.

[Unknown]

One vaccine criticism. I think they wrote on X. I still cannot believe that Maha wasted the first 100 days on soda pop.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't believe that either.

[Unknown]

Welcome to Forked, a podcast about food.

[John C. Dvorak]

Politics in the Maha age from the Food and Environment Reporting Network.

[Adam Curry]

Can you imagine anyone listening to whatever they have to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the next ad, the other ad which you play, you played at the beginning of yes. Is in a po. This is a classic. This is a podcast about listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, groovy. We humans, Daddy O, are born into.

[Unknown]

A wondrous planetary chorus. But these days, it can be hard to hear anything but the noise of our own species.

[John C. Dvorak]

How is this changing us?

[Unknown]

And how are we changed when we quiet down and listen to the voices of our planet mates, we're actually incredibly gifted listeners. You know, that is inherent to being a human being. We have the capacity to listen. On this season of Threshold, we're going to take you on a journey into the heart of a quiet revolution, a listening renaissance.

[John C. Dvorak]

The world is the first storyteller that's told us the story of how to be who we are.

[Unknown]

Listening is who we are. And in a time of mounting ecological crisis, maybe listening is how we can find our way back home.

[John C. Dvorak]

Find Threshold.

[Unknown]

Wherever you listen to podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness. Who wants to listen to that? Oh, no, no. If I start a podcast like that, shoot me.

[Adam Curry]

I will. I'll come down there and shoot you. Don't, don't, don't worry about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Unknown]

I'm out.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right, everybody just listen to no Agenda and You'll be fine. Everything will be okay. Your world will make sense to you. Once again, we've got a groovy, a groovy podcast end of show mix. Coming up with this podcast. Now I'm all confused.

[Adam Curry]

Toe tapper.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a real toe tapper from Nico Simon. You'll love it. We've got tip of the day coming up. We do have dames nights. We got some PhDs, got meetup reports, and John is now going to thank the rest of our value for value supporters $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

And before I do that, I'm going to thank a couple of the donors from the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

From the meetup. From the meetup came in with lesser amounts, including Will James Roberts, who's got him. He has some three by five cards that he sent, including the one he wrote on that have stripes across them. There's just these dynamite cards. I'd like to know where he got them. It's a little card you can hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you should have asked him.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I didn't notice it because it was in an envelope, sealed envelope with a note inside like you're supposed to do. Okay, so I got home and found him. Thank you for your quality podcast. He says I'm always informed and entertained. I came in with $101 73. Then we have Sir Zolbat. Looks like Sir Zolbat came in with 110. Zolbat. Zolbat to John and Adam, 110 bucks. He's obviously a sir because he's got the seal on the back of the envelope. Then the lovely Angela Garcia came in with a hundred dollars. She also makes miniatures and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes miniatures of what she makes little.

[Adam Curry]

She somehow during COVID got into this. She makes these little art pieces that are tiny miniatures. It's like she uses tweezers and a microscope and she makes art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's kind of cool.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I told her that she should sell it to those nut balls who. Who build these dollhouses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Recalcitrant Steve came in with 5150, but he has a total that gives his wife a damehood. And I have to read the note, obviously, because it's a dame involved. I hope this note finds you well. After traveling from Club Mallard to John's house, this JCD meetup donation would have put me over the top for baronet, but instead I wanted to do a switcheroo and credit my wife Rose with a damehood. Please dame her dream girl, Rose of the Sonoma Wino. Country we are. I actually have her on the list. He needs. Or she needs a de douching. Okay, you've been de douched. So he says. We've been married 18 years in December, God willing, and we've never had a fight. She's been the goal of buying a house on New Year's Day, 2025, and she made it happen. We bought our new place just over a month and a half ago. She's my designated drivers for many JCD meetups. I don't know why he needs one. And listens to the show on our road trips. She doesn't come into the meetups. She's the best wife and mother in the world. Love you with all my heart, sweetheart. And at the round table, we have to write these down. Give her some hook and ladder Gewurztraminer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait. Hook and ladder?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I never heard of it either.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hook and ladder what?

[Adam Curry]

Gewurtztraminer. It's a. It's a gorgeous spicy grape that makes beautiful white wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Traminer. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Gewurztrameter, Filipino lumpia, and some lightly salted pistachios. And then he wants a jingle. Boogity boogity. And house blessings with some F35 karma. And I think that's required by the nature of this note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on a second. I wasn't ready for that.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

F35 and boogity boogity. Hold on a second. There we go. I'll move that over there. I had everything all set up. You screw screwed me up. And you don't even like the boogity boogity.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I don't. I don't. I think you did just despite me.

[Unknown]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is.

[Adam Curry]

Onward with. Onward with a list starting with. That's interesting. Tyler Wrapp in Fort Collins, Colorado. $140.14. Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mercy Me donation.

[Adam Curry]

The Mercy Me donation. And you can count on the CEO of In N Out Burger being there with you guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're going to help me with my new music podcast. I just decided.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just decided.

[Adam Curry]

You just decided?

[John C. Dvorak]

I just decided.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, it's gonna be good. Strike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's the strike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bitcoin. Bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bitcoin donation for who knows what. It never shows up in the bank account yet. Maybe they're holding the money. I have no idea. But it's $120.84. Travis Moore in Gibbonsville North Carolina, 100. That's a birthday donation. Go Bills, he says. I don't know why I said that. In North Carolina, Matthew Merlino. Matthew P. Merlino in Sandy Springs, Georgia, 100. Jason Mara in Vancouver, Washington. 100. Nathan Trey Wick in San Antonio, Texas. 9. Cole Gregory in Amherst, Ohio. 8438. Sir Layton. Oh, Lairon. I'm sorry, Sir Lairon in Dotham, Alabama. 8,009. Kevin McLaughlin, Duke of Luna Lover, American Melons, 8,008. Iran Pointer in Union, Kentucky. 7,903. Alan Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa. 7,176.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's 6,809 donation plus fees.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Becky in Arlington, Washington. 6,996. Jennifer Rain in Snoqualmie, Washington, as a tongue twister. 6,935. The first Rust or surface rust in Rock Island, Illinois, Illinois, 6580. That's the Gene Nathan in Toronto, Ontario. 6362. That's a birthday call out. Coming up. Sir Kevin O' Brien in Chicago. A 6006 strike again. Another strike donation from someone. I don't know how we're going to do these. We should probably just accumulate them and use one donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they need to do. Is they need to send us a note.

[Adam Curry]

No, they do. They need to send us our. Their names.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you send a note with a name, please.

[Adam Curry]

But then. Yeah. And they have to associate with a very specific amount of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's very possible. They know how to do it. They just aren't doing it. They're just like, here's take my money. But what's your problem?

[Adam Curry]

Well, what I'm saying is, if you have strike, strike, strike on the spreadsheet, just put them into one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, one listing. Dean Roker, 5510. Betty Boo in Dayton, 5272. Steve Hall, 5272. John Rochester, New York, 5272. Dame Lacey, 5272. She's in Lake Mills, Wisconsin. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. 50. Oh, these are 50s. Okay, we're at the 50s. Let's do them one at a time. Name and location, starting with Scott. Then Terrence Boyer in Tuscaloos, Illinois. I never heard of that place. Andrew Gusik in Greensboro, North Carolina. Michael Sykora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. Anonymous in Silver Spring, Maryland.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of people emailed me about this ear mold. Yeah, people were very concerned.

[Adam Curry]

Well, don't wear headphones. You won't have to worry about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know, Renee, you could wear any ear headphones, you won't get ear molds.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We have an inventor in our midst who's done some made with MEMs are going to cost a fortune. But he usually shows up at the meetups with his with his active cohort and they didn't show up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, the meetups are hell in a hand basket.

[Adam Curry]

Renee Bernhardt's group Ruther in St. Gallen, Switzerland. 50 and she's last on the list. Or he. It's probably he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Renee.

[Adam Curry]

Renee in Europe is usually he. And we want to thank all these people for making shows. 1783 a good show. It's a pretty good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, of course, because we are the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Not just the pretty turns out that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty good podcast in the universe. We're the best podcast the universe and everybody, everybody knows it. Everybody in Franklin, Tennessee knows it. And thank you to these supporters and thank you to everyone who came in under $50. We don't mention those for reasons of anonymity. And of course, our executive and associate executive producers go to no agenda donations.com where you can support us value for value. Any amount, any, anytime. Whatever the show is worth to you, send it back to us. That's how it works. Value for value. Slave. Go there now. Travis Moore wishes his smoking hot wife Anna a happy one. She celebrated yesterday. Irvin Wheeldon celebrates today. Nathan from Toronto celebrating a birthday today. David Keck to end of show mixer extraordinaire. Happy birthday to his girlfriend. Rose Shin turns 39 tomorrow. Michelle Matra, her husband Hans is celebrating and he turns 49. And Christopher Eisenhower turns 33. Happy birthday to these birthday boys and girls from everybody here at the Best Podcast in the universe. Not one, not two, but we have three PhDs that we are handing out that you better get in on this item quick. Hear my Home Shopping Network lingo there. You better pick up on this item quick because we're running out. It's going to be over. What end of this month is that when the PhDs really go?

[Adam Curry]

We got two shows left.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think Mike, Sylvia and Adam Adamsinger all become PhDs in media deconstruction. Congratulations to the three of you. Go to NoaGenderRings.com let us know where we can send your PhD. An official beautiful PhD certificate with embossed stuff and a ribbon and the whole. It's a beautiful piece and what name you want us to put on it. And we will gladly send that out to you two dames, two nights. And that means I've got the extra big blade out today. If you can grab your blade.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got a big blade.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rose, Sylvia, Thomas Flanagan McCall and Mike step up on the podium. All four of you about to become knights and dames. Here, the no Agenda roundtable. I'm very proud to pronounce the KP as Dame Dream Girl Rose of the Sonoma Wino county country. Dame Sylvia, the protector of our troops, Sir Finn McCool, Mountain man, and Sir Mike the taco, the privileged taco, I should say. Privileged taco salad for you. We've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay, hook and ladder, gwutromina, Filipino lumpia and lightly salted pistachio. Along with that we've got sparkling cider, nescorts, ginger ale and gerbils. And of course we have the mutton and the mead. You should also go to noagendarings.com and you can take a look at the handsome no agenda knight and dame ring that is portrayed there. It's a signet ring. So when you give us the address and your ring size, we'll send it off to you along with a certificate of authenticity as always and a bunch of sticks of wax so you can seal your important correspondence. And welcome to the Roundtable, the no Agenda knights and dames. No agenda. Yeah, the no Agenda meetups, they still are a thing. Although according to Mimi, they're dropping off. So you better get out to them. Otherwise, you know, if you don't go to your meetup, the meetup may stop and then you'll be sad. You wouldn't want that to happen. These are producer organized events so anybody can do them. And we always suggest that you send us a meetup report. Let us know how it went. If possible, add your server to the meetup report. And this is the northern Silicon Valley. Get John out of the house. Meetup report in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Sir Rickalcint Craziest D II.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the seventh JCD meetup and we're passing penis wine aerators all around this place. Hold on a second. You did not tell me about the penis wine aerators.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we have a woman who's a wine expert, Cynthia Kirk. She was there with these, I would say phallic wine aerators. And she, by the way, I got into a discussion with her about wine because when you're. You got someone who claims to be a wine expert, there was one addition decant, you do the back and forth with them to See how good they are. She knows wine. She's very talented. Wine drinker, taster. And she works for a winery, so that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

She has a palate. She has a good palate.

[Adam Curry]

I would think so. I'm just guessing. I mean, we didn't drink wine. But she sounds like she knows what she's talking about. So she's a good wine person. But she's also got this company called Nadi. And she makes this kind of these, these wine aerators that are shaped like a phallus. And the wine. And aerates the wine, you know, you stick it in the bottle and it was the hit of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like it.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like it was. It's, It's. It's rude. Yes, I remember. It's a party product. It's one of those things, you have a dinner party. You put that, you do the wine with this thing in there. Look what you got there. I. I see what you're doing. Hey, Sir Robert. No, I'm sorry. It reminds me of. Do you ever seen these glasses? These Groucho Marx. The eyebrows. And instead of the big giant nose, it's a big dick. Have you seen those? That's the level that we're at.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotcha. Hey, Sir Robertson of two sticks.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm glad to be here. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, baronet of Maxwell Park. I bought one of those penises and I'm very satisfied. Well, she was selling them.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, she had a few to sell. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Goodness, dude. Named. That's what you want. Ben. Named Ben Duke of San Francisco. I'm beginning to have penis envy right now.

[Adam Curry]

Joe Wall, North Idaho. Glad to be here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, look, I mean, this is Sir Julian Baron of the Santa Cruz Mountains hanging out with the new grand star of oan, Sir Zulbat of Windsor here. I finally found my car keys and I made it to the meetup. Sir Aaron Knight of the Strawberry Fog.

[Adam Curry]

ITM Scott Cunningham from Mountain View in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Montauk, enjoying a nice day at Club and Mallard.

[Unknown]

Angela Garcia from San Francisco in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

I should have cut this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm trying to escape. These guys are all nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning, everybody. In the morning. All right. Fort Wayne, Indiana, had a meet up. Here's their report. Adam and John, this is Shannon from Fort Wayne. We hope this meetup finds you well. Everybody here's having a good time in the morning. Good morning, Dame Trinity.

[Unknown]

Having great time at Don Hall's Tavern in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

John and Adam, sir pbr. Street gang. Hey, Adam, keep up the faith. No agenda. John, it wouldn't hurt you to go to mass.

[Adam Curry]

The Ohio blokes just checking in in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

[Unknown]

And the blokes, Sheila from Hicksville, Ohio, here with you in Fort Wayne, Indiana too.

[Adam Curry]

This is Jared. I really like Hicksville, Ohio.

[Unknown]

Shelley from Fort Wayne, you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

This mike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fort Wayne.

[Adam Curry]

Checked everyone's browser history. Everyone's good to go. No spooks here today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Foam finger number one in the morning. And our final meetup report comes from New York City.

[Adam Curry]

This is Dan Franco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir, I'm not a spook. Hosting the New York City Manhattan no.

[Adam Curry]

Agenda meetup at Plug Uglies GR Thursday, June 26, 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Jana after seven long years in Berlin.

[Unknown]

Zeut land. She's back, baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Better than ever. Hey, Tom in the morning, live from the Home Depot on 23rd street in New York City. We're all waiting for John Dvorak to pick us up.

[Adam Curry]

We're ready to work in the morning. It's Steph.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're at Pug Uglies.

[Adam Curry]

And Adam, thank you for accepting my make a wish request. I'm so excited to see you on July 21st.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Thank you, Lord.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Sir Spoon Maker coming to you from New York City.

[Adam Curry]

I'm the only one with the night ring here.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they kissed the ring. But I'm still pretty sure in New York City we're all gonna die.

[Adam Curry]

0Sum 06, no authority.

[John C. Dvorak]

Living my best life on my worst behavior. Yo, what up? We're at the Roosevelt Hotel for the New York City meetup. Having a good time here. Thank you to all the producers.

[Adam Curry]

This is Aaron from Plug Uglies here. I'm the bartender. I just served the no Agenda crew today. They're awesome, really nice people.

[Unknown]

Solid fucking drinkers.

[Adam Curry]

Great time.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, you got your server in there. Very good. Those are the reports. And of course, we have a couple of meetups to round out the month of July on the 25th. Victoria, British Columbia in Canada, Anaheim, California and 26th. Columbus, Ohio on the 26th and Alpharetta, Georgia on the 31st. There's plenty of space on that calendar. No agendameetups.com. this is where you find the first responders. In a real emergency, connection is protection. Go to a no Agenda meetup. You can find them [e-mail]. if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy. And always a party.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party. That's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody the party continues right here on your no Agenda show with a great toe tapper of an end of show mix. Coming up, we have John's tip of the day. And man, I get so many complaints about your AI ISOs. And I always yell at them in all caps. Email John. Why? They said, man, they're killing the show. It's no good. Said, why don't you email John? Does anyone ever email you about killing the show?

[Adam Curry]

They're at the very end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they hate it. They really hate it.

[Adam Curry]

They. How many people are we talking about? One guy wrote thousands.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thousands of people.

[Adam Curry]

Thousands. Crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thousands.

[Adam Curry]

All right, thousands. So there's about 10 people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So you prompted an ISO. I guess I'm just seeing it's an ISO podcast, so I presume.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not doing any more AI. That's not AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm gonna listen to it now.

[Unknown]

So you can understand the world wherever you get your podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, go back to AI. That was no good.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I'm not doing AI anymore. I'm gonna do this mediocre end of show clips. There's another one I couldn't quite clip because they stepped all over it. It turns out that the Emmy awards has. Half the nominees for various shows are a. About. About podcasters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, man.

[Adam Curry]

Kristen Bell's a podcast series that. Murders in the buildings about a true crime podcast. There's a couple others.

[John C. Dvorak]

And where are we? Where. Where's my.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're actually podcasts. We're not doing Peabody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's my Peabody? Where's my Pulitzer?

[Adam Curry]

Whatever is Pulitzer. No. Yeah. No. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. It's Peabody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peabody, Peabody.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the best bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's my end of show isos. This is the first one. Good, good.

[Adam Curry]

Do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is the killer, though, this one.

[Adam Curry]

The guy's like an ISO machine. He is.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is an ISO machine. Listen to this one. People can't get enough of this show, huh?

[Adam Curry]

That's the winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

I knew it was the winner, but the real winner is always going to be John Cedorax. Tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti.

[Adam Curry]

Well, switching gears, we have another product that's people should get a hold of. If you have leather seats, leather interiors, or your car or anything else is a leather product. And it's not a leather cleaner, it's a leather. They do make a leather cleaner, but you want the leather conditioner from a company called Leather Honey. Leather Honey Leather conditioner. It will turn leather bags, leather shoes, leather seats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be like butter. Will it be like butter? When you use the leather, the leather.

[Adam Curry]

Honey, it will be dynamite. And it doesn't leave a sticky residue. It just, it's a pretty, it's just a dynamite product and makes the leather last longer. Doesn't crack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh. And do you use it on all kinds of leather like your leather jacket?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, use it on all kinds of leather. If you got leather, use this. Will it work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Will it work on my assless chaps made of leather?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, absolutely. They'd be smooth as silk.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is everybody. Tipoftheday.net for all of John's tips.

[Unknown]

Great advice for you and me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just the tip with JCD and some sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. Of course you can also find [e-mail] for all of John C. Dvorak's tips of the day. And if you are listening right now live, then I suggest you stay tuned because we've got just two good old boys coming up. As we say, what do we say? Dad gum. Dad gum. Those two good old boys, Sir Gene and dude named Ben. Named Ben. Coming up next on the podcast stream. Check him out everybody. Before that though, we have one solitary single end of show mix from Nico Sime which is as John or described it, a real toe tapper. Thank you very much for listening to the show. Please remember to support us in our value for value model at no agenda donations.com and we will return on Thursday for more of your media deconstruction. I'm sure it will involve something about President Trump as it always does.

[Adam Curry]

You think?

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in the first German town of Fredericksburg, Texas. Really? In the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're going to start saying Daddy O, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see you on Thursday. Remember us noagendadonations.com adios mo foes and who we hooey and such. When I was a kid we drank from the hose. No helmets, no apps, just grass stain clothes. Now it's filled feeling anxiety flare and kids get triggered by the wrong kind of hair. We read the news and questioned the spin. Now they scroll fast and let the algo win. But we got two mics and a podcast plan breaking it down like a true boomer camp. It's the no agenda boomer jam making heads explode like whambascam Chopped in clips and a fouchy slam with a jingle.

[Adam Curry]

In your ear from kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said jobs job jobs and mailed a check while your crypto crashed on your yolo bet I got karma stacked and a troll count badge you're still trying to cancel old school chat you still trust the feed we smell the cracks you.

[Adam Curry]

Ride the wave we cut through the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flack crack pot and buzz kill ride again with a donation shout and a.

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[John C. Dvorak]

It'S the no agenda boomer jam making heads explode like wham bash jam soft in clips and a bouchy slam with a jingle in your ear from git mo.

[Adam Curry]

You think a TikTok dance is content I built a ham river radio out of spare parts and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rage it's the no agenda boomer jam.

[Adam Curry]

Making heads explode like whammar scam sharption clips and a bouncy slam with a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jingle in your ear from get hits hard with M5M getting torn apart no agenda no script no glam just boom.

[Adam Curry]

In the boomer jam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios mofo dvorak.org na people can't get enough of this show.