1786 - "Best Exit Strategies"

Summary

No Agenda Show Episode 1786 - "Best Exit Strategies" Release Date: July 31, 2025 Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

---

Introduction

In Episode 1786 of the No Agenda Show titled "Best Exit Strategies," hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak delve into a humorous and satirical exploration of various exit strategies for their podcasting venture. Broadcasting from the Texas Hill Country and Silicon Valley, the duo engages in lively banter, brainstorming a myriad of unconventional and often absurd ideas to "exit" the podcasting scene.

Acknowledgments and Tools

• Clip Genie & Bingit IO: John praises Sir Denonymous from Clip Genie for providing tools like Bingit IO, which allows users to curate and compile the best segments of their shows. (00:42 - 01:20)

Origins of the Exit Strategy Theme

• Humorous Beginnings: The concept of an exit strategy began as a running gag between the hosts, rooted in Silicon Valley terminology where companies plan for significant exits like IPOs or acquisitions. They humorously adapted this term to their podcasting context, pondering how one could "exit" a never-ending podcast. (01:20 - 03:19)

Brainstorming Exit Strategies

UPS Delivery Guy Gig

• Description: Adam suggests becoming a UPS delivery person, inspired by their reliable yet delayed UPS guy who is popular among the local women. (03:31 - 05:19)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "Maybe that is our exit strategy. That sounds like a good gig. Drive around all day in shorts." (04:02 - 04:11)

Musical Whiskey Barrels

• Concept: Infusing music into whiskey barrels (e.g., Michael Jackson, Led Zeppelin) to influence the whiskey's flavor through sound vibrations. (05:20 - 06:00)
• Notable Quote:
  • Adam: "It molds different tastes." (05:37 - 05:41)

No Agenda Water with Positive Vibes

• Idea: Using crystals influenced by positive messaging to create a unique bottled water product. (06:03 - 06:34)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "Our beautiful, wonderful, no agenda water, which 17 virgins stood around and said love to for 24 hours." (06:29 - 06:34)

Dog Tasers

• Proposal: A device that emits a high-frequency tone to deter dogs, marketed discreetly through keychains. (06:50 - 08:31)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "This could be the no Agenda, you know, dog taser or whiskey." (07:25 - 07:37)

Podcasting and Real Estate Ventures

• North Korea Tourist Resorts: Discussing North Korea's efforts to open up through tourist resorts and exploring potential real estate investments in Fort Worth, Texas, anticipating Amazon's move. (08:31 - 10:37)
• Money Laundering via Real Estate: Exploring the legality of money laundering through real estate transactions, referencing recent fines imposed on banks for inadequate oversight. (11:19 - 13:22)

Creating a Consulting Group

• Lincoln Washington Consulting Group: Brainstorming the formation of a consulting group to secure government grants aimed at promoting human rights in China. (13:22 - 16:08)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "This is a propaganda bonanza. I love these guys." (16:08 - 16:14)

Product Ideas and Mock Proposals

Wearable 5G Protection

• Concept: Jewelry or accessories that light up in the presence of 5G signals, providing a fashionable way to signify exposure. (20:10 - 24:22)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "This is the official no Agenda TSA evasion kit consisting of a third eyeball sticker, a Taliban beard, and googly eyeglasses." (20:39 - 21:11)

TP Usage and Fatbergs Prevention

• Advice: Encouraging the flushing of only the three P’s—pee, paper, and poo—to prevent massive fatbergs in sewage systems. (21:23 - 22:51)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "We need recyclable toilet wipes or something like that." (22:58 - 23:10)

Candle and Wine Innovations

• No Agenda Box Wine: Developing a line of boxed wines branded with the show's logo, aiming for a unique market presence. (127:12 - 128:18)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "Woke wine would be one: 'That's the wine for the progressive generation.'" (127:55 - 127:56)

Media Deconstruction and Critiques

Shelby County Podcast Funding

• Critique: Analyzing Shelby County’s exorbitant spending on podcast production, questioning the value and efficiency of such investments. (55:22 - 57:08)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "This contract is so outrageous that it just baffles me why we're doing this." (55:22 - 55:28)

NFTs and Digital Economy

• Discussion: Exploring the rise of NFTs (Non-Fungible Tokens) and proposing the creation of a No Agenda branded NFT series as a potential revenue stream. (81:46 - 84:55)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "We could come up with: No Agenda Zephyr Economic Indicator." (85:07 - 85:27)

Diversity and Inclusion in Media

• Satirical Take: Mocking Hollywood’s diversity pledges and inclusion riders by outlining a fictional Morning Zoo show with stereotypical roles. (101:25 - 107:56)
• Notable Quote:
  • John: "We need a gay guy as our entertainment reporter because that's the rules in Hollywood." (105:03 - 105:24)

Concluding Remarks

As the episode draws to a close, Adam and John reflect humorously on their inability to finalize a viable exit strategy, ultimately deciding that continuing the podcast until they "die" remains their only option. They acknowledge the ongoing search for profitable projects and potential business ventures, all while maintaining their signature satirical and critical tone towards media, business practices, and societal trends.

Final Notable Quote:

• John: "We podcast until we die. That's the big exit by everybody." (68:57 - 69:22)

---

Key Takeaways

• Humor and Satire: The episode uses humor to critique various business and societal practices, often presenting absurd ideas as potential "exit strategies" for their podcast.
• Media Critique: Hosts consistently deconstruct and critique mainstream media, government actions, and corporate decisions.
• Community Engagement: Emphasis on the value-for-value model, encouraging listener support through donations and participation.
• Creative Brainstorming: A playful exploration of unconventional business ideas, reflecting the hosts' unique approach to content creation.

Additional Resources

• Clip Genie: noagenda.clipgenie.com
• Bingit IO: bingit.io
• Donation Information: noagendadonations.com

---

This summary encapsulates the essence of Episode 1786, highlighting the hosts' comedic approach to discussing exit strategies while weaving in their characteristic media critiques and community-focused discussions. Whether you're a long-time listener or new to the No Agenda Show, this episode offers a blend of humor, satire, and thought-provoking commentary on contemporary issues and business practices.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, July 31, 2025. This is your award winning Get My Nation Media Assassination Episode 1786.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looking for the exit and broadcasting almost live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm also almost live, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know a people are looking forward to this episode for a very long time.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you've been high on this episode for some time. I think it is maybe the funniest episode we've ever played.

[John C. Dvorak]

I really think so. And right off the bat, I got to give props to Sir Denonymous from Clip Genie. Noagenda.clipgenie.com, also known as Bingit IO because ever since we introduced Bingit IO, it's just been an amazing experience for people to go in and just think of ways that they can put together a best of show, you know what I mean?

[Adam Curry]

Especially to put in exit strategy search.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Boom.

[Adam Curry]

A show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Got a show. And so Circumference, John Jensen, Circumference, he did exactly that. And he put this together a while back. You know, he's like, hey, you know, I've got a good idea. I played some of these, like the first couple of clips for Tina and she doesn't know all of our stuff. She's, you know, she's only been around for 10 years. We had seven years before that. She knows nothing about. She was cracking up.

[Adam Curry]

She had never heard of dumb ideas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you're right, the dumb ideas, exactly. But are they really, are they really.

[Adam Curry]

Doing, I think, are money makers maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just explain to people, I mean, do you even know how this started, how we started looking for exit strategies?

[Adam Curry]

I think it started off as a lark. I think one, it was a punchline to something with one of the other. Either you said or I said, and one of us said, the other one countered with, oh, there's an exit strategy. Because the exit strategy is a term that's used a lot in Silicon Valley. We're both familiar with the lingo. And so we picked it up and then we started, you know, somebody said it first, either one of us could have been, I'm not sure. But then it became a running gag.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, here's what I think happened. And it started early on, very early on, where we were looking at this and we're saying, you know, we're working so. Because I think it must have been Meevio. It might have even been Pod show days. I don't know. We must have been sitting there. No, you don't think it was Pod Show Days when it was Devia? Yeah, I think we were both talking about, you know, we got this show, but how do we punch out of this? You know, it's like the whole idea in Silicon Valley is you have an exit, you got ipo, you're going to get acquired, you're going to sell. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And yeah, and we realize that there's no way to have an exit strategy for a podcast. You just do it until you die. Or at least some one of us.

[Adam Curry]

Dies until you come up with an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy or an exit strategy. And the first one we came up with was a doozy. Get your shorts on. Get ready for exit strategy number one.

[Adam Curry]

We have a UPS guy who's been my UPS guy who did not do anything Christmas Day. Now there's a bunch of slackers that came in, but our normal UPS guy who's this good looking male model looking guy, sometimes he delivers. He doesn't deliver the packages until like 8:30.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, same here. Eight or nine. They're still working. I know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I just. Because he's stopping off a lot of places. This guy looks like he's the worst for where he's got at least five or six women that demand him come in for cookies and tea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, maybe that is our exit strategy. That sounds like a good gig. Drive around all day in in shorts.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome to the in the Morning club where you can witness beauty on parade all day and night. No touching please. Let's start things off by bringing to the main stage Tracy. This gorgeous gal likes to knit, fly kites and mountain climb. Get a load of her peaks. It's Tracy over on stage two. Put your hands together for Ingame. This lovely lady has is the 2011 winner of the Pole Dancing Nationals held yearly in Pensacola. She's into bookbinding and fishing. Let her lure you into a private dance Ingame. Next on the no Agenda stage comes everyone's fantasy girl, Lily Setu, the anime poster girl. Those eyes are huge. Give it up for Lily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lookie over here.

[Adam Curry]

Coming up to stage three. Make her welcome. Put those hands together and give it up for Sabine. This port princess recently won an amateur night competition at the Club Rendezvous. But as you can see, there's no way she's an amateur. Chill on with hard earned gratitude, boys. It's Sabine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that It.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's it. Four. All right. Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good work.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's my exit strategy. I'm going to work one of these places.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good script. I like the script. The writing was good this time. Very nice.

[Adam Curry]

Put music. They pump the music into select barrels of whiskey. They've got a Michael Jackson barrel, the Led Zeppelin barrel. And they believe that the sound vibrations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Expand and contract the wood, and then.

[Adam Curry]

It molds different tastes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just trying to pull myself on the bluegrass and nutcracker ballet barrels are most pop. They test better, believe it or not, than non musical whiskey. I think that Zeppelin stuff is probably pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, everybody bought into this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

We could do this. We could do this. We could make water, just pure water. So we can bring in that guy who does the water crystals. You know, when you put a note love underneath the bottle, then the crystals look all beautiful. If you put a note, you know, no note. Or hate. And the crystals, they look all maligned and all deformed. And we can have our beautiful, wonderful, no agenda water, which 17 virgins stood around and said love to for 24 hours.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's a plan. It's our exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, baby. Exit strategy. As pathetic as it sounds, it's about the best we got. Night, everybody. We return. We would not be the no Agenda show if I didn't have a product idea. You ready?

[Adam Curry]

I'm listening.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just.

[Adam Curry]

I'm always listening for this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this product already exists, is very effective to make. We could make it even as an app. I ordered an actual physical product because I don't have a phone with apps anymore. I ordered the dog daser 2 mark 2. And this is a small device that emits a 25 kilohertz tone of incredible annoyance to the dogs.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they do not like that tone.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if I'm in a restaurant, there's a dog there. It's gonna go on. It's just gonna go on my keychain.

[Adam Curry]

No one can hear it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You cannot hear it. I mean, if you had a spectrum analyzer, you could see it.

[Adam Curry]

If you're over 10 years old, you can barely hear anything over 15.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you don't even like your birthday. I mean, come on, who cares? But I think that this could be the no agenda, you know, dog taser or whiskey.

[Adam Curry]

This is the best idea you've had for months.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. It can be an app. We could make it an app. There's tons of apps.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if those little things will play that note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure they will. I don't think so what a smartphone?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think a smartphone has a speaker that can nail 25,000 hertz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Distance will become a problem for sure. Distance is a problem. That's why I like, you know, just.

[Adam Curry]

You need a dedicated.

[John C. Dvorak]

The dedicated device. Yeah, a device. It should be a keychain. It's just a keychain and speaker does.

[Adam Curry]

Not have to be that big, just has to be high quality. It can hit that note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Piezo and pazo. Paso. You say paso, I say pieto. But I'm very excited about bringing this to market. I think we should do a kickstart.

[Adam Curry]

This may be our exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

What has long been your assertion, which it's now a show assertion at this.

[Adam Curry]

Point is yeah, it's North Korea. Is this trying to set itself up as a tourist attraction? Tourist trap, if you will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And, and this came to you how many years ago? Five, Six.

[Adam Curry]

Six. Six years ago at least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Tina]

Key thing I felt about the whole journey is that North Korea, I felt as though they were preparing and they wanted to open up to the rest of the world because they've had to. They spent all their money on these missiles and all that. The farming, the agricultural and food supplies are very, very scarce out in the countryside. So now they've got to get something back. And therefore they are building great tourist resorts. We saw an airport, an entire airport which is totally empty. There are no planes there at all. But the airport is built, waiting for people to come to this tourist resort, which it will serve. So why build that if they didn't really want to get tourists in from China, maybe from the rest of the world?

[Circumference]

And they let you see that?

[Tina]

Oh yes, exactly. And they were prepared to talk about that and say, we're going to have wonderful things. And evidently they had had people who'd gone to Disneyland in Paris to look at how you, how you build resorts like that, how you design them. So money had been invested in this opening up. So it isn't just a political rapprochement. I think it's something they need for their survival now. But when they do open up, then what happens to the sort of regimented Kim family thought, you know, that people are going to say, well, there's a, they do it differently in another part of the world. Maybe we should do it differently. I just don't know. It's a very, very interesting time.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think pretty much nailed it. Oh yeah, fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

It was pretty obvious from the get go that's what they were up to. And I still think that if they get Their act together. I would wouldn't mind having the franchise to sell tickets to that giant spectacular show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, the big show. Yeah, the big show.

[Adam Curry]

Once a year you could get a thousand bucks a seat, no problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I was thinking about this in our never ending quest to get out of the podcasting gig and make some real money.

[Adam Curry]

Another exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the, here's the strategy. So we get someone within our network, somebody can at least go buy up a block of tickets. We need a block of say, you know, 50 seats. Maybe if we get 20, we'll take that. And then we're going to do a whole VIP thing. So, you know, we're going to charter the. I mean, this is, this is going to be millionaires, like people who are in the 500,000 plus category. And it's going to be, you know, we'll take care of the whole thing, the lodging, you know, the plane. We'll have our own tents, our yurts.

[Adam Curry]

That's an idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Catering, you know, a badge, you know, platinum badge, coin challenge coin tote bag for the starter price of I think $7,000. But if it's a couple, then, you know, then we just do, you know, like 12 or something.

[Adam Curry]

Just a little about it. 12.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a sweet spot. Yeah. So get ready, fire up a newsletter. And we have the banks who are laundering money, drug money, typically. And then you have the real estate guys like Trump who launder money through what we used to just call commerce, just doing private transactions. But now we always think of everything as a crime. Who cares? I don't care where you got your money from. You want to buy this apartment? Good. Here you go. So Trump is just laughing his ass off and they hate him for it. And I just read that ING in the Netherlands just paid a 775 million euro claims or a fine to the European, I guess the central Bank, I don't know where they send it to the EU for money laundering, drug money laundering, because they weren't paying close enough attention to the deposits.

[Adam Curry]

You see, I did some research on this to figure out how to do money laundering as a real estate guy to see what you mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean some job research.

[Adam Curry]

My exit strategy, the best one yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Turns out it's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

It turns out to be a very good one. And you. And the reason is because it's essentially legal, completely legal. You do not have to check any laws by being a money launderer, if we want to call him that, if we even assume we're correct in Our assumptions, which I believe we are. And that is because the restrictions on banks taking in cash and not reporting it from drug companies. Stuff still powdery is one thing. And you have to do all these reportings. And for example, even when we make a money transfer, if it's. If I wait way too long and it gets over a certain amount, it gets reported to the irs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Everything you do in a banking environment gets reported. Real estate, no, no holds barred. There is nothing. And that you can take it. Some guy can walk in your office if you're a real estate.

[John C. Dvorak]

With cash. With cash.

[Adam Curry]

With $1 million in cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was very similar to me where I, you know, I had this. I had lots of money and I had a helicopter fractional ownership company. And 911 happens like that was the beginning of a long slide. No one was using private aviation for a while after 9 11. And that's when he. His restaurants, you know, or the restaurant he had in some crazy place with a horrible lease. And he just, you know, tanked on that. A lot of stuff you don't know about the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did. Yeah. I had. I had worked on. I spent a couple probably. I had a file open and every once in a while a question would come to mind. I'd put it in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, how. How many other interesting friends can we interview before they're dead? Or we are.

[Adam Curry]

I got quite a few. I just have to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, give me one name. That would be interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Who's a good name? That would be. Well, I know who would be interesting to me. I want to do him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So to speak.

[Adam Curry]

This guy Draper. Yes. This guy Draper's 90 something. He runs a wine. He's one of the original wine importers in California and he knows everything about the wine industry.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should do that.

[Adam Curry]

And he's finally opened up a small shop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because, you know, I'm thinking with all these interviews and I have a couple people I can call. You know, we've got a product or maybe not. So our exit strategy, once again, we're gonna get out of this thing rich if it. If it kills us. Title of 1071 was Kami Komi and Darren. There was a lot of good art, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was a lot of good art.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a tough one. We liked what Darren had done with the no agenda stencils on the tents, which is our latest get rich quick scheme.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, our exit strategy. I'm not quite sure how it's gonna exit us.

[Adam Curry]

I think we basically wind up Promoting the show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, okay. We promote the show. Once the show been promoted sufficiently, we might get onto itunes, into the charts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Does anyone in Texas think that Fort Worth is a shithole?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. It's actually very beautiful. Has a great airport, and that's where things will be happening.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's where Amazon's gonna move.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that was a secret. You swore me to fucking secrecy. Said we gotta look for some real estate up there as another exit strategy, and now you just tell us?

[Adam Curry]

Because I mentioned to a friend of mine, a Lib Joe, who seems to be worried sick that he's going to be swamped under by the rising oceans.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should ask him if he has a few hours to listen to my report on climate change. It'll change his mind.

[Adam Curry]

It's not that long. It's only an hour. Anyway, he. He's moaning and groaning about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you told him about Amazon. You told them our secret.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to be a great place to move. And he says, it's a shithole. I said, what do you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. This guy said, this Lib Joe said Fort Worth is a shithole? Yeah. Well, screw him. It's not all that bad.

[Adam Curry]

I like the town.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, so you might as well tell everyone now. Now the cat is out of the bag. We've been researching Amazon moving to Fort Worth as their new headquarter, and you and I were like, oh, we gotta buy some real estate. It's gonna make us rich. Don't you remember the whole sworn to secrecy bit?

[Adam Curry]

I made a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, now everyone's in on it. That, to the best of my recollection, is how podcasting came to be.

[Adam Curry]

We should clip that whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's. It's. I think it's.

[Adam Curry]

Put it out as a separate little podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, we'll put it on the M Bone.

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually, what we'll do is a history of podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll do I feel a giblet coming.

[Adam Curry]

We'll take a little. We'll take a transcript of what you just said. We'll add some more stuff to it, make it into a giblet. We'll also do it as. Clip that out and make a podcast that stands alone, a standalone podcast that says as its name, the history of podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

It's a very good idea. And that will take once and for all. So if you go to Google and you go history of podcasting, this thing is going to be on the first page somewhere. And then there's the book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it a full on book or. There's only 8 million books of how podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to be a giblet. It's going to be a small, short little thing. It's not going to be a long, boring book going back to 1927. It's going to be just about what you said pretty much, and how it kind of came about and how it got named and how it got where it got and why it is not doing what you'd hoped it had done. Except in very few instances which are all very successful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, if we did a full on, I mean we'd have to talk about media.

[Adam Curry]

Co author it. Will co author it. Adam Curry and Bob Doyle.

[John C. Dvorak]

George Washington and Bob Doyle. Oh, man. Anyway, so that kind of sets it straight, I think, but I'd love to do that. Let that be a project. That's our exit strategy right there.

[Adam Curry]

Another project.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another great. Yes.

[Circumference]

He's a disruptor credited for reviving Canada's apple industry. It takes a village, they say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a village, big town.

[Circumference]

He did it three decades ago when he invented ice cider, an alcoholic apple drink akin to dessert wine. It takes advantage of something Canada has in abundance.

[Adam Curry]

The cold.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I pick apple when there is minus 10 Celsius in the apple.

[Circumference]

Instead of picking apples in the fall, he waits until they freeze in the winter when the apple sugar peaks. He was inspired by a popular drink called ice wine, which is made from frozen grapes.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, you've hit upon something very big here. This is an exit strategy. This is. I'm sure millennials love this whole idea. Oh, yeah, Ice cider. Can you imagine? Curry Dvorak ice cider. You know, we're like the two geezers who really know what we're doing. We can come up with.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because we're apple experts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we're apple experts. We understand everything about apples, about wine. We understand that. And I think the millennials would go crazy for this stuff.

[Adam Curry]

So you're. So the accuracy just increases because the sample size gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because they keep using it already.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very impressed by facial recognition. It really is. I mean, especially if you have the right camera for it. The technology is actually pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

Couple things you can try hat apparently you can take a picture of an eyeball and you put it between the two eyeballs. Or you can put two eyeballs.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a third eyeball. Is that what.

[Adam Curry]

Third eyeball would work. But you can say, hey, I have a Third eye. It's my religion. You can put a copy of eyeballs above your brow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop. Just stop. This is the official no Agenda TSA evasion kit kit. And it consists of a third eyeball sticker that you put right on your head. This is another, yet another exit strategy, I believe.

[Adam Curry]

There's also some uses of glassware that would work and makeup might or might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not work, but one of those glasses, one of those glasses with the googly eyes that are.

[Adam Curry]

That fall out, the big eyeball, those, I think that would be funny. But I think the real killer here, because they do it's, it's done through, you know, points they have to identify is the big Taliban beard.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think that makes a difference. I think it sees. Right. I don't think the beard does anything for facial recognition.

[Adam Curry]

Look into it. But I believe a Taliban beard.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the, so the kit includes a sticker, a third eye sticker, a Taliban beard, and the googly eyeglasses. Yeah, we can get this made in China for 20 cents and sell it for 20 bucks. I'm gonna be rich. I'd be so rich. Modern, modern problems. Modern, modern problems in the uk. Well, we've got a monster of a Fatberg under the seafront here in sidmouth. It's about 64 meters long, we think, which is the equivalent of about six double decker buses. So this is created by fat, but also with wet wipes and things. So our message, particularly around toilet and the way people use their toilets is to only flush the three P's I.e. pee, paper and poo and nothing else. Everything else needs to go in the bin. And the same applies with fat in the kitchen sink.

[Adam Curry]

Don't pour hot fat down the kitchen sink.

[John C. Dvorak]

It needs to go into a container and also put in the bin. This is really.

[Adam Curry]

That's not true. What you can emulsify fat with some soap and hot water and it's just, it's fine to dump it down the drains.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you seen any of these fatbergs in the sewer? It's insane. So 60 meters long.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's because people put fat down the drain when they don't emulsify.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what's getting blamed for it is toilet wipes. That's the one thing I keep hearing is toilet wipes. Toilet wipes. Toilet wipes. Are we, are they going to go the way of the straw? I'll bet you they are. Wait, this is our, this is our exit strategy. We need recyclable toilet wipes or something like that, or that.

[Adam Curry]

We may go. Yeah, you take it, you wipe your butt, and then you wash it in the washing machine a few times and then you can use it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Or it should. Or maybe better. Nah, people aren't going to do that. We should have some kind of butt wipe where it's kind of like a mitten. And so after you've wiped, then you fold it inside out. No. Then you can dispose of it in the bin, you know, so the whole thing is just. I think maybe Deb wants to get one of those smarts.

[Adam Curry]

It already sounds like an expensive item.

[John C. Dvorak]

This doesn't sound like a great exit strategy, is what I'm thinking.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no. Well, that's. All these ideas have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, you can be so mean to me now. So, of course, I was looking for another exit premium. You know, an amulet or something that could channel away the 5G energy. But of course, this doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

Crystals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't really exist.

[Adam Curry]

Crystals.

[John C. Dvorak]

5G crystals. That's right. No agenda. 5G crystals will save your life from 5G signals. Or maybe just a simple armband that lights up when there's too much 5G around you.

[Adam Curry]

That would be cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's pretty inexpensive to make.

[Adam Curry]

That's not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you could just be. Okay, I got. I got red here on my back.

[Adam Curry]

We went into fashion so people can wear a fashionable dress. And so when the dress just lights up and there's all kinds of cool stuff because there's too many phones in the area. Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's one of the few times you've agreed with my exit strategy premium items.

[Adam Curry]

I've always thought that wearable displays of LEDs and things flashing around were always cool. I went years ago, before. I think it was in the 90s. I went to China and they were selling this stuff on the street. And I've always thought it was just a dynamite idea. And once in a while it sneaks into the fashion shows, but it doesn't really. It hasn't totally caught on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this should be very. Actually quite easy to produce if we just create a little element that has the right length that it would fire up when it, you know, just. Just like any kind of magnetic loop, it'll. It'll resonate and it can throw off a little electricity. Maybe enough to light something up on a band.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. I will be in the engineers out.

[Adam Curry]

There that can help us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. It's gonna be some douche. You already did this.

[Adam Curry]

You don't think so?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so as a part of your OTG strategy, you do need something else. And for that I have the Surface Go, a very inexpensive, very small device. It's the size of my original iPad. I have a nice little beautiful little case that it goes into, and I have a hotspot I think you can get the Surface Go with. Now with lte. Don't get that. What you want is you want to be disconnected. If I really, really, really need to get something, the pain of turning on the dongle, the hotspot, firing up the little computer, and then doing whatever I need to do that becomes a choice of, like, do I really need to do this? Can I do this later? Is it of utmost importance? When it's really easy to do, you will do it. You have to pain yourself. And how long have I been doing this? Six months? Would you say longer? Longer. Really? I'm cured. I am completely cured and I love it. I can even pick up an iPhone now and just do something to get it out of there or whatever and put it back down. Notifications aren't in my life anymore, except for, you know, one sound from my phone. And that's only a handful of people, including you. And you called me the other day. That was a surprise. Like, the phone's ringing. So that is the strategy when people say, what phone should I get? Oh, yeah, I can get the one that is completely built on open standards, Linux hardware switches. You're still going to be distracted and looking at your phone when you could be looking at other people looking at their phones. It's a lot more fun.

[Adam Curry]

It is funnier fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's so. It's really great because I'm going to be candid. You feel superior.

[Adam Curry]

You do. Well, that's your goal in life.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just feel superior. Yes, it's my exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can taste it. Well, you. The problem with balsamic is because they. There's the process for making. It involves no aging, a little aging, a lot of aging. And that involves different specific gravities, which is. What's this?

[John C. Dvorak]

What's a. Oh, gravity is thickness specific.

[Adam Curry]

Gravity is pretty much thickness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's the weight per volume kind of calculation. But anyway, so this. It can be very thick and so you can pour it and it comes out kind of like a syrup or it can be watery, like the stuff you buy at Costco. And so there. It's not watery watery, but it's just watery. It's just like the same viscosity of regular vinegar. It doesn't have any of the thickness that you get on a Good. Balsamic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you for giving us the correct pronunciation. Balsamic. I think I always say balsamic, which is wrong. Balsamic.

[Adam Curry]

I don't really think it's important, but it is. Point. But I think that because of the variation in the quality and style, I think it'd be very easy to pass off the mediocre using the wrong grapes and making it the traditional way and getting those flavors. I don't think it would be. I think it'd be very difficult to spot, to be honest about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the scandal is upon us.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna have to have some. Some of the scandalous stuff. In fact, you never know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scandalous.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I. It's possible that the scandalous stuff is better.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be.

[Adam Curry]

It's always possible. It does happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, this stuff is actually kicks ass. We like it.

[Adam Curry]

It actually could be better. In fact, if they marketed it differently, I think you'd have some. For example, don't call it basalmic. Call it asalmic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, nice.

[Adam Curry]

Try.

[John C. Dvorak]

Asylum. Oh, an exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

New vinegar. I have an idea. We could write a book about it. Oh, I'm sorry. What am I thinking?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know that the guy that was taking the test for the students, he was arraigned and I guess he's going to go to jail.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is in the college. The admission. Admission scandal. Yes, he was doing the taking admission scandal. Do you.

[Adam Curry]

I want you to guess. I know you don't have this clip or you didn't hear this. How much was he paid to take the SAT for somebody and then also not only take it, but get a score that would be. Apparently was so good he could manipulate the score so he knew all the answers. How much was he paid per test?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would you think I wouldn't know this number?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know it, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think I do all day?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man.

[Circumference]

Florida prep school administrator Mark Riddell pled guilty today in Boston federal court to taking entrance exams for students in a massive college admissions bribery scheme. Prosecutors said the 36 year old Harvard graduate was typically paid $10,000 per test. Riddell could face up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, did you think that was a lot?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't think it was a little or a lot. I just thought it was good money for taking the test.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was thinking the same way, like, because you can only pick one up, you know, once every couple of weeks, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it's 10 grand. You do 10 a year. You made 100 grand off the top.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's hope. Hey, exit strategy. Do you think you could ace. Do you think you could ace the exam?

[Adam Curry]

I could come pretty close. I got really high scores on the SATs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we all know why I went to West Virginia.

[Adam Curry]

Now, what you just said, I think is a great idea. And I will mention Costco and other places you could put, you know, two or three quote, unquote, rolls on. On a small thumb drive and take it to Costco. And they'll print these things out inexpensively. About the same. You'd have to pay for supplies to do it yourself. Fairly inexpensively. And you'll. And you will have these backups and they. Actually, the gear that they're. The big print guys have is a little better than what you generally have in it. And it's also. It tunes the photos a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's going to be an entire generation of children who get old and die, and there's gonna be nothing left. I really enjoy having some of my mom's crazy shit. Some letters and some photos. I like the photos. I like photos of my daughter.

[Adam Curry]

Black and white photos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Yeah, I agree because I, you know, I've saved all of the original videotapes of Christina, second birthday, third birthday. There's some fun stuff on it.

[Adam Curry]

Start rolling them out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's vhs. It's. Then I also have vhsc. I have Beta. No. What's the DV video? Now, I saved the actual cameras so I can play it back.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's. It's going. Yeah, there's services who will do it. And I understand the storage is going to be a problem because. Oh, my God. Now you. Besides your $200 Lululemon pants, you also have to carry around some, like a photo album, and you have no backpack for it.

[Adam Curry]

This is not going to work for these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe. Hey, exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

I just saw a giant truck go by. Giant truck with a big blue side that said Prime. Yeah, yeah. Amazon. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, you know, they. They're. They're into this. The way they're doing it is the way what they're into. And I think they're going to be sorely disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is just a warning. Yeah, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

Which way?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just a. Hey, take it from your Uncle Adam and Uncle John. You might want to have some memories later on. And it's going to go away if you, if you trust it to Instagram. Just take a couple, make a selection. We need to have the millennial vault.com or something like this where you, you just send off a couple pictures. We print them, we store them for you. Which of course we don't do because we're really an on demand printing system, you see. So say we're going to print these for you and we'll keep them safe for you. And then when you and you go pick them up, which 90% will never do, then, oh, here they are. We print them off real quick. So they're also well preserved. They're kept perfectly well. And you know, obviously we won't lose the data. It's another exit strategy like this show is doomed. Well, I don't know. I think we'll make it out before, before the real crunch comes down.

[Adam Curry]

You mean exit strategy people get.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got angry letters about this. Yeah, Producer, email me. People in my family have donated, but I just can't when you keep talking about exit strategy. Bring back the good old days. I said good old days. What do you mean? We were doing one show a week for 40 minutes and you weren't donating.

[Adam Curry]

I said, want that? I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you do know that exit strategy is a joke, right? Kind of. I mean if we had a real exit strategy, we just be. We'd exit right now.

[Adam Curry]

Obviously got nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But right now being being on the front lines of the podcast reboot is fabulous. No one cares about us. Not a. Not a single story. Not nothing covers us. Ever. Ever. Was it some karma for her husband who's a mainframe guy, A mainframe dude.

[Adam Curry]

Mainframe. Because there's not that many mainframe jobs left.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got an email from a company that says, oh, or someone who works at a company says, hey, could you please hook me up with that, with that producer? Because I think our company would be interested in her husband. And so I don't know if we made a love match yet, but we have.

[Adam Curry]

You sent a note back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eric very properly sent a. Sent a note to her with the information. You know, we don't connect people directly. They have to do that themselves. So we're like a. More like a job fair here. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. Exactly. Job fair. Hey everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome to Adams job fair. Welcome to the coin on Saturday in Great plains on Sunday, 12 to 3.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know your syrup. Syrupy.

[Adam Curry]

All you need to do is just put Katy Perry on the judges podium and you'll have it made. ABC will carry it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but see now this is the beauty of the Eurovision Song Contest is there's a. Each country has its Own professional judges, and they vote, and they're not allowed to vote on their own country. Then you have the text vote, and, you know, and you see all the politics coming into play. You know, adjacent countries who will vote for each other. You know, if they don't like that country, then, you know, everyone hates Russia, so they don't vote for them. Except for the countries that do love Russia. So it's just. It's a wonderful evening. Apparently, Logo stopped doing it.

[Adam Curry]

So much for your theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Damn it.

[Adam Curry]

It's ridiculous. I do think it could be when you mentioned Terry Wogan just ragging on it. I think I'd watch that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You and I could do this, actually. We could do.

[Adam Curry]

We could rag out as much as.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anybody, but we could do a good job. I think it would be fun to have you just being like, what is this? What country? Who? Where's this country?

[Adam Curry]

Where's Katy Perry?

[John C. Dvorak]

I could see it. All right, well, I'll see if anyone is caring next year.

[Adam Curry]

This would be a big event. We can do a little tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is our exit strategy. Hey, I'm all. I'm all for it. Let me see if we. Hey, how about this? Let me see if we can get a. A feed that everyone will be watching.

[Adam Curry]

Legal feed.

[John C. Dvorak]

A legal feed. And then. And then we'll just pop on our stream and. And we'll just provide commentary. You can sit on the couch while you do it.

[Adam Curry]

No, we got to do it on video. It has to be video.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, can we just provide it? Oh, it's. Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It has to be synced with the video. But we don't have to be on camera. No, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

I was thinking more like the Space Science 3000 with the two of our shadows in front, you know, silhouettes of our heads and maybe a third head.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's complicating and already well thought out format. Just do the voiceover. You don't need to do anything else.

[Adam Curry]

How did Wogan do it?

[John C. Dvorak]

He just. Voiceover. He was just in the background. He was never, never on camera.

[Adam Curry]

The video feed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, just get a video feed and then you and I will just rag on it.

[Adam Curry]

Complicated. Later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. I think this is. I think this is it. This weekend. That's the. That's the wedding weekend.

[Adam Curry]

And. Well, so you have to cancel the wedding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Either that or we can sit in my studio and do it live together.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, maybe wedding, maybe not. Maybe not Oakland. I know him. I said, hey, Cliff, can I Come over there with some gear and we can record, you know, some new material from you. And he obliged. It's very entertaining. Very entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good. And you did this when? This past week?

[Adam Curry]

I did last week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, cool.

[Adam Curry]

And he also makes Klein bottles as a hobby.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of bottles?

[Adam Curry]

A Klein bottle is a bottle with one surface. You have to look it up to see what. What they are. But they only have one surface. It's like a, you know, the thing you twist and. What's it called? I can't remember. People in this chat room know where you have a. You can take a piece of paper and turn it so it has one surface and just keep going around and around. Well, now I know what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got now. Klein bottle. How do you spell Klein?

[Adam Curry]

K, L, E, I, N. Klein bottle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we'll just see what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Mobius band.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's a Mobius band bottle.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, is there any benefit to the Mobius ban bottle or the Mobius band bottle?

[Adam Curry]

None. Yeah, there is a benefit. If you. If you make them, you can't get it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you make them and you sell them, there's a benefit. No other observable benefit?

[Adam Curry]

It's definitely a curiosity, that's for sure. And he makes a bunch of different ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when you pour it, it basically goes back into the bottle. Yeah, this is smart stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Can't really pour it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what we should.

[Adam Curry]

You can't get it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've got it. There's another exit strategy. Not quite sure how we.

[Circumference]

The second is we have an upvote.

[Adam Curry]

And a downvote system that's really powerful.

[Circumference]

To have both so that users can.

[Adam Curry]

Actually weigh in on what is appropriate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Content and what's good content. And there it is. This is a whole new presentation. And they're saying we have human moderators. We have 15 to 50 moderators before anything surfaces up high enough for your brand to be tainted by it. Don't worry, you're safe with us. We got this lady over here. She knows the inside workings of Twitter and Google. Ha ha. We figured it out. We've tackled it. They hired 60 people. 6, 060 people in New York for brand advertising. And then they quarantine the Donald. Well, of course they do. They're pitching this to advertisers. What are you doing about all that horrible discourse, all these alt right people on the Donald subreddit? We've quarantined that. So if you Want to be effective. And if you are worried about free speech and you really feel you need to use these platforms, which I'm against, then you need to go after the advertisers and stop bitching and moaning about censoring. Go after the advertisers. Go for the jugular. Where the money is. This is where we could get into our pitch. Oh, the final thing I wanted to say, I got a note from.

[Adam Curry]

This is another exit strategy. We could start that group.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. What group? The anti brand group.

[Adam Curry]

The Media Matters group. We'd be a Media Matters. No agenda. Matters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are on all the time.

[Adam Curry]

We cannot sleep because every 15 to 20 minutes the guards are yelling something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get up.

[Adam Curry]

We spent all day and every day inside of that room.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are no activities, only crying. Oh, won't somebody please pick up the children? Unbelievable. So not only do I not believe this, They've now traumatized 20 other children into believing how horrible. And it. I'm sure it's no picnic, but this is not the way to go about doing these things. It's despicable. You know what? Maybe we're stupid. We're stupid, John. No, no, we're dumb.

[Adam Curry]

They don't see it that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're dumb.

[Adam Curry]

We are. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We need to have children asking for donations on our show. Ooh.

[Adam Curry]

I'm liking it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please, Adam and John, they have to sleep on the ground.

[Adam Curry]

We have a number of. We have plenty of talent out there that can record a few ditties for us. Children begging for money for the no Agenda show. Because it's horrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

How horrible. How bad things are. Exactly. So if we're just not.

[Adam Curry]

This is it. We could actually start an ad agency.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. That's it. Our exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, But a bunch of very talented erudite kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a great idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we call it Kids for cash or.

[Adam Curry]

Cars for Kids. It sounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't. Oh, no, don't sing it. Don't sing it. It'll be in my head for the rest of the week. No, no, no, don't do that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we could use a jingle too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we need.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to do this. This is good. This is where we're going.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a great idea.

[Adam Curry]

And then auditions are underway.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the newsletter. You can do it with crayons. I'm sure it'll work. Clearly, this is the way to go. We also found that, and this is, I think is key, that many of the streaming set top boxes and smart TVs tell the sending side to send 5.1, even if the output is only going to stereo speakers built into the tv. So I think there's a big flaw is in your Roku box or whatever you're using. It's sending a signal saying yeah, send me that five. Which of course is looking for a center channel to send the dialogue through. The audio processor in these devices often does not do a proper downmix stereo and in several of the low priced models does a very poor job of the down mix levels, leaving dialogue always lower than other sounds. In particular by not properly mixing in the center channel with the front left and right. This is where I see our exit strategy. We need a box. You need a box? Yeah, I need a box. Need a DSP digital signal processing box. There's an app that does this for the Xbox. Apparently I don't have an Xbox, but.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of people call it a Foley box. Just use this software, license it.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Done. Exit. Okay, well, that's it. Last show, everybody. We had the, the big freakout and boycott of Equinox and SoulCycle. What a Soul cycle and Equinox. The boycott. We had the boycott. Remember the, the CEO of the, the company that owns the gym and the spin class.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the Spin Gym guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spin Gym guy. Boycott the Spin Gym guy. Hold on. That by the way, is a whole new cat. That's an exit strategy. I'm gonna write that down. Spin Gym. So you go there and you can spin and gym. It's, I'm telling it's a combo. It's the Spin Gym.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're pumping away and you're pulling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Down weights at the same time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spin Gym. Okay, I'm writing that down as an exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Podcasts aren't helping.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I, I, I have to call back though. Your idea of ex. The homelessness experience in Disneyland. This is an exit strategy. I think we could create this ride. Now, do you sit in the ride or do you, I think you should also experience for a brief moment, you stepping in human feces?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. The homeless are always stepping in human feces. I guess some of that are really down and out, staggering down the street, all leaned over.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. I mean if the ride is the ride, are you going to actually experience it? Like. So is it a ride? Is it a. I think the most enjoyable Disney rides are in a cart, you know, and you got your music going on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay. There's two ways of going about this. I'm a huge connoisseur of these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

There's one is you're in the little cart, a little car, a little thing, and it's going through a homeless encampment. And people are all animatronic.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's like Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly like Pirates of the Caribbean, only you're not. You. Maybe you could be, you know, in a kind of a river of pee. You know, if you. Any kind of stinky pee, that would be okay. But I think, generally speaking, be better on rails. And you go through these things and you see all these different people, and then they have, you know, people. Then you have. You go through the section where there's a bunch of politicians trying to come up with good solutions, and they finally say, we just need more housing. And then you come out. You come out the other end of it and you feel real good about yourself. And you. Now you understand.

[John C. Dvorak]

You understand now you have evolved.

[Adam Curry]

That's the other one. Which is the cheaper way to go is you put. You wear some VR glasses or you're in a VR situation, you experience the whole thing, only now it's even more realistic. Not because it's not animatronics. It's not. It's not dummies and things like Pirates of the Caribbean is the actual videos that you're seeing surrounded by the real stench and filled in light and fans blowing the smell of crap in your face. And you'd go through the whole thing and you come out the other end pretty much with the same message, but it's just a cheaper way to do the ride. Less maintenance.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I personally like the Pirates of the Caribbean version. I like that a little better. I think it's more fun.

[Adam Curry]

I always like those rides better than the ones that are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because. Because you go through, you know, city hall where the council members are all sitting there pontificating, then you could do well. And here's Los Angeles and here's Austin. You can have a couple. Show some differences.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. You could take the car through one place or another, and then, you know, guys begging for money in different ways along the ride.

[John C. Dvorak]

People keep coming up to your cart asking for money. Yeah, we're going to hell for this. There's more to this report. So we already.

[Adam Curry]

We discussed this on the show. I had the clip of the guy who used to eat food. You know, he's very popular. He just eats. Eats like huge amounts of food. And then bitches and moans and gets sick. And this guy's got millions of viewers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Mukbang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And and the keeper watches some.

[Adam Curry]

We did not miss this, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but we didn't get the name Mut Mukbang. And we didn't get some other important facts. Yes, we did miss a lot of this story. Mmm, mmm.

[Circumference]

Since 2011, a peculiar trend of live streaming while eating large quantities of food has become more and more popular in South Korea. Here comes the people who participate in mukbang have become minor celebrities in their own right. To the point that they're referred to as broadcast jockeys or the more popular term, don't laugh, BJ.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they've become BJ's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, I agree. We didn't catch BJ's.

[Circumference]

These so called BJ's have learned that there is such a thing as a free lunch. This is Park Soo Young, one of the Country's most popular BJ's for whom Mukbang was a full time job. Better known as the the Diva. At one point she was making up to $9,000 a month through her fans donations.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, exit strategy. We can do this.

[Adam Curry]

$9,000 a month compared to the girls who do makeup videos is minor, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can do asmr. Mukbang. Here's an example. This is a guy eating a pizza. We could do this. Well, maybe you're not in, but I think I need to do some mukbang.

[Adam Curry]

I think you should do it. I think you should do it. And I. I'll watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

But listen to the headline. VJ becomes bj. I mean, could it be any better? It's obvious. The promotion is right there, ready to go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's another dead end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Woody Allen wasn't already like super, like super canceled?

[Adam Curry]

No, he's canceled. Canceled now. I mean, his new movie, A Rainy Day in New York will not get released in the United States. It's actually been released in Europe to good reviews. Yeah, Amazon will not bring it out in the United States. They won't stream it. He's got the autobiography of Woody Allen, which has to be a fascinating book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, denied.

[Adam Curry]

The big four publishers, none of them will touch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he do that himself?

[Adam Curry]

He's a writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but he did the film about his life. Or is it just a written book? Oh, well, shit. No agenda. Press should release that. Exit strategy, baby.

[Adam Curry]

That's the bottom of the barrel for him.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the actual government documents themselves. If you look at money that was.

[Adam Curry]

Intended for Ukraine, it doesn't take a genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's, you know, $300 million was earmarked government money, our money, tax money. $300 million for AIDS education in Ukraine. And that's going to NGOs and other. And that's how it works. You set up, you know, it's like hey John, we got a buddy over there, you know, they, they in Congress and you know they got some chips in with somebody else. So why don't we start a little non governmental organization. We will educate podcasters how to be free media, something like that. And then we'll get an earmark and we'll get $25 million. We put together a class, this is what it is and this is what.

[Adam Curry]

We should be doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know this is the exit strategy. We're available.

[Adam Curry]

Now. The you need a grant, a good grantsmanship person, somebody knows how to write grants and you can, you can make a lot of money off of this thing that they're trying to put an end to. And I think it's wise to put an end to it because it is squand taxpayers money. So we have the same memes over and over from all the reporters and from every analyst on this side of the water that it makes us less safe. And Congress wasn't consulted. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all they got.

[Adam Curry]

That's all they got. Congress wasn't consulted. And as you pointed out, and everybody really knows this, Congress doesn't need to be supported or I'm sorry, informed about a drone hit on someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

When have they ever been informed of it? When Obama had his hit list, was he calling Congress up and saying, what do you think, Nancy? Should I kill this guy at the wedding?

[John C. Dvorak]

We went into Syria without a declaration of war. Come on. But that's just grasping at straws. But more importantly, did I hear you say that there's real money in these think tanks? Is that possibly the exit strategy we should be looking at?

[Adam Curry]

There's real money in these think tanks if you know how to manage one. We need somebody out there who can do grantsmanship.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think we should have the Curry Dvorak, Lincoln Washington Consortium. Don't you think so? Doesn't that sound official? Consortium group? No. What do we need? Curry Dvorak, Lincoln Washington confab. No, I'm looking for the right one.

[Adam Curry]

Lincoln Washington. Just a good beginning. Curry and Dvorak, who are those guys?

[John C. Dvorak]

So just put Lincoln Washington Consulting or Washington.

[Adam Curry]

Lincoln. Lincoln Washington. Yeah, Lincoln Washington Washington. You'd have to write, you'd have focus group this baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we put a. Just throw JFK in there for good measure. Lincoln, JFK.

[Adam Curry]

No, JFK's out.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's out. Okay. So I think the Lincoln Washington Consulting Group.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay. It might work. Lincoln Washington. Who's Lincoln? Who's Washington?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, we have to.

[Adam Curry]

Greatest president ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about Strategic Strategy Group? That's better. Lincoln Washington Strategy Group.

[Adam Curry]

People can watch this in real time as we develop this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been working on our exit strategy, as always.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there is something going on in Texas which might work for us. I mean, it's not. It would still mean work, but we could certainly make a lot of money if you're interested.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the work part of it is kind of disconcerting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's Shelby County, Texas.

[Circumference]

Shelby county commissioners plan to pay more than $9,000 a month to a podcasting company to produce podcasts and market it on the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

This contract is so outrageous that it just baffles me why we're doing this.

[Circumference]

Shelby County Commissioner Mick Wright is the loan commissioner who voted against paying the Kazukian network almost $110,000 to produce podcasts for the commission.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you're Talking about over $100,000, I mean, you could buy a spot small fleet of vehicles for that amount and still do a podcast.

[Circumference]

The local I team found there are cheaper options in town. The OAM network operates out of the crosstown concourse here. A podcast costs $300 for the first episode and $100 per episode after that. OAM's owner questions why the county is even paying for podcasts when it video streams its meetings and also broadcast them live on the radio. The owner of Kazuki and didn't want to comment for this story, but at the commission meeting he explained the cost this way.

[Adam Curry]

We really work with businesses and we work with government entities to make sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

That they have a very high end product. John, it's that easy. There's a lot of counties, every county. Listen, we work with a lot of businesses and we ensure you have a high end quality product. The Curry Dvorak Podcast production Group.

[Adam Curry]

I would love to hear these high end products from this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder if they've produced any yet. Shelby. That would be funny. I should have actually looked into that. I'm sorry. Podcast. Let's see. Shelby County Podcast. No, nothing yet. But it's something we could consider. 100 grand a year.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

For just one county.

[Adam Curry]

For one county. Do it. Do a thousand counties. Boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is all being done through.

[Adam Curry]

Not all, mostly being done through aid, but also the Democracy and Human Rights.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bureau here at state usaid and a new one, the Democracy and Human Rights Bureau, which is also a new one.

[Adam Curry]

You must have looked it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, I did. This is our exit strategy. All we need is to write one good grant. This is. I mean, it literally says opportunities. Here's one. Request for statements of interest, China programs. So the Bureau of Human Rights of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, which is a part of the State Department, announces a request for statements of interest from organizations interested in submitting statements of interest for programs that protect and promote human rights in China. I think we qualify. If not, we could make a sub podcast that does.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, we could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The program concept should demonstrate ability, improve rights awareness and access to justice for Chinese citizens, strengthen an institutionalize citizen participation in government, promote government information transparency, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The numbers they have available for 2020. I'm just scrolling down because it's a very long thing. 700. They've one grant for 750,001 for $1.5 million. John, we're crazy if we don't go after some of this. That's just the China one. We could grab any one of these or more. This is a propaganda bonanza. I love these guys. And Congress just gives them the money.

[Adam Curry]

Here you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is a very interesting outfit. So that's what your money's going towards. Podcasters in Venezuela. Way to go, Congress. Very, very proud of the work you're doing.

[Adam Curry]

I did get the message about elderberry, and there's some research on elderberry and chokeberry. Chokeberry, which apparently keeps the Russians from ever catching any of these. Yeah, chokeberry. You look it up. It's another berry. These. These two particular products have an immune effect on the immune system, specifically targeting viruses. And the Russians make a big deal of having chokeberry and elderberry syrups and drinks and such. Is this during the wintertime?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this a millennial thing now? Is like a small batch deal?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. But this is where I got it from, so I'm expecting to see it. And he mentioned it in his report, the Elderberry Phenomenon. And so I guess they're all aware of it. And so now you're going to somehow invest in the elderberry business or chokeberries. You're gonna make a lot of Money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. 10 emails of people saying, dude, dude, dude, dude. What was it? Tell me, what's your website? I want stuff that makes my hair grow. So I feel obliged to say that thehappyhairformula.com is Vicki's personal website. And let us know how that works out for you. That could be kind of interesting. We could. We could eventually have the official hair care product of the no Agenda show, if it's any good. No Agenda hair care. Hair care products.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, go. Just like the T shirts. Nap for humanity.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. There's some other guys who were talking about some coffee. I just want to make it clear, like, hey, man, we'd like to put the no Agenda logo on the coffee, and we'll give you a third. No, no, no, no, no, no. If we like a product, we may endorse it. I don't know about having our logo on it. I don't think that's the right way to go. What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Well, a couple things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do I hear an exit strategy?

[Adam Curry]

We had a no Agenda beer out of Australia, as you recall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's true. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it had our logo with a kind of a logo on it. And we've had other products. All the T shirts that are done by the shop, we've got the logo all over it. I don't see why it's a problem. Why all of a sudden we hate coffee?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. I would like to test taste the coffee before it becomes official. No Agenda coffee. Is that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, now, that's different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I will. I will say this. I will agree with that. So we need a couple pounds of coffee, and then we. You can put the. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, a little micro brew from Australia. I mean, I was. By the way, it wasn't even that micro. It made it all the way to the US it was selling.

[Adam Curry]

It was a monster. It's a big. It's actually a big microbrewery.

[John C. Dvorak]

A big microbrewery. Fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It makes no sense, but there it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is on call for the benefit of the state.

[Adam Curry]

But senior officials tell PBS NewsHour today was also about diplomatic reciprocity. In January, out of fears of COVID the US Evacuated its Wuhan consulate. It has not reopened because of a dispute over whether U.S. employees have to quarantine and take COVID 19 tests upon arrival at Chinese airports. Longer term, U.S. officials say they want to reduce their footprint in China.

[John C. Dvorak]

In addition to the Beijing embassy, the.

[Adam Curry]

US has five consulates on the Chinese mainland and the Hong Kong consulate. Senior officials say they've accepted the likely permanent closure of one consulate and intend to move it elsewhere in Asia.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's really no wonder when you listen to these news reports, and I wonder who was doing that, reading what station it was on, because there's no wonder that no one gives a crap about China because it's really not compelling the way it's delivered the hell. What station is this?

[Adam Curry]

That's your PBS NewsHour. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. That's really so exciting. I don't know why people don't listen to it. But we did report on the story. But I just spoke it this way and then no one really paid attention to me. I'm pretty good at that. Exit strategy, everybody. And see, I also got a whole bunch of comic books. I think that's from. I wonder if that's from our guy.

[Adam Curry]

Are they high end comic books with the. Oh, the Batman character.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Let's see. I'm not quite sure who this is.

[Adam Curry]

Mike Riley's been sending out some work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, maybe this looks like Mike Riley now.

[Adam Curry]

Very distinctive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my goodness. This is Riley. Oh, here it is. Oh, my chimera. Likely he's doing no Agenda comic books. Have you seen those? They're great.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't got the latest batch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my good. I had not received any. I love these. I really appreciate that, Mike. Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he sent me some before because I requested a printout of one of his artworks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's. I mean, this is dynamite work. And there's also now on the Amazon store, I tweeted a link to it from the same makers of the no Agenda Redbook. You can now buy your very own Curry Dvorak Consulting Group notebook. Yeah, half the exit strategy is right there. What is kind of nice to know that this problem.

[Adam Curry]

Now you're a podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

And not only am I a podcaster, the pod father, but it hit me Friday night. I've not slept more than a couple hours a night. I figured out how to fix podcasting and I'm gonna do it.

[Adam Curry]

This is the last time I heard. This was the. This was your exact mode. You go into this all the time, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do. It's a cycle.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's about every two years, but it could be longer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The last time you had this was you. Actually, I was. Name another time before this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the last time Podcaster pro.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Which road finally did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I was right. I. I chose poor partners. That was my. It was my mistake. There's no doubt about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And I learned from that. That was, you know, I'd learned from the failure. And so did Rhoda. And I'm happy. Rhoda went, oh, poor guy.

[Adam Curry]

This is fucking great.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got all these bits and they.

[Adam Curry]

Never sent you a free one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never sent me a free one. And they're still there. They almost have it perfected. If only they put a noise gate on the channel that comes in from the computer. I'm just going to keep saying until they do it. Otherwise, it looks like a pretty decent device. Now, this is a fix that will fix payments. It's going to fix a whole bunch of things. I figured it out. And. And it may give us an exit strategy and.

[Adam Curry]

Are you going to discuss this openly?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hell, no. I'm not even going to tell you privately. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've learned. See, I've learned. I. Mistakes. But podcasting 2.0, it's coming. I'm working on it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. We're all. I'm at pins and needles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That's all the teas you get. The next tease you get will be a pew, pew map. And indeed, podcasting 2.0 has turned out to not be an exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to show my support by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous. It's been fun. It's been fun seeing all the new apps, but no exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm still stunned that they haven't sent you a free road.

[John C. Dvorak]

A free roadcaster.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Rodecaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

They hate me.

[Adam Curry]

It's. It's unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this is typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, they send them to youtubers and all kinds of people all the time.

[Adam Curry]

I'll bet you I could work one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, if they. Yes. I mean, think about this. They also have the. The road cast video. Video cast. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The latest. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, they could be like, hey, you guys could do one. One video episode. And we would probably do it if we got some free gear out of it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's the way you do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're horrors.

[Adam Curry]

But we're not getting anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's amazing. I. I, like, I'm really baffled about that because.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's. The whole thing is ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

They kind of took my idea. I don't want to blame it. I don't accuse them of anything.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I. I wouldn't. And I love.

[Adam Curry]

We have to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The worst thing.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love their product. I love the product I use. I have two of these I bought.

[Adam Curry]

You endorsing it, which really you shouldn't do.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I gotta stop doing that.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta stop doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So we have to mention this is the donation segment. The people that donate will get mentioned on the next show to be a long donation segment. And they were still taking donations, obviously. And I mention that if anyone wants to get the PhD in media deconstruction, that it's still available until the next show. So, I mean, it ends tomorrow technically, but you know, we'll give you a little weasel room. If you get your donation for the PhD, then it's over and that's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no more, there's no more Code Bond Geno for you. That will be the last PhD in media deconstructions for the foreseeable future.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Go to noagendadonations.com yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you. Thank you all for supporting us with the value for value model. Thank you for, for all of our artists. Thank you for everyone who's doing meetups. It's a time talent and treasure. And thank you again to Circumference for putting this episode together. There is over an hour left to go. You're going to love this one, John. I'm not even going to tell you what it is. This is the continuation of some great ideas known as the no agenda exit strategies. Well, unfortunately we do have an exit strategy and the exit strategy is we podcast until we die. That's, that's the big exit by everybody. I can't think of any other, any other exit strategy for us.

[Adam Curry]

It is overwhelming the evidence. If you don't believe in climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Almost heat, please come to the state of California and we will re educate.

[Adam Curry]

You or ultimately enlighten you. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Come to the. Come to California. We will re educate you. Please come to the state of California and we will re educate you or ultimately enlighten you as to the consequences of the earth and its temperatures increasing and the consequences that are having in terms of droughts, not just wildfires, as well as floods. Okay, I have an idea. This is easily executable and we have the producers. This is after all, the best podcast in universe. We have the producers to do this. I would like a pre print study. That's what, you know, that's what we get all the time. And it's always, oh, that's not scientific, doesn't matter. In this case, a pre print study that just has a whole bunch of word salad in there that shows that climate change and the increase in temperature is the direct cause of COVID and let's just get it out there, see what happens. I mean, we might as well show how good we are for the exit. For the exit strategy. It's just a thought. Just a thought. We can do that.

[Adam Curry]

It's still very doable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, put a couple of doctor names, affiliations And a statement of no conflict. Ah, it's going to be fantastic. We should. We should really consider that.

[Adam Curry]

We tried to get reports from. I think it was Gen Z for a while. Not Gen Z, but Gen X, one of the gens. And we. We sent out the message, we want reports on your sex life. Oh, yeah, because there's a lot of kinky sex going on. Because these people, they learned about sex from.

[John C. Dvorak]

From porn.

[Adam Curry]

Really horrid porn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we started getting some reports in, and the reports were so terrible. Yeah. That we. We just discontinued project.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That. Another failed exit strategy from the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group where we could not put together the white paper.

[Adam Curry]

I said, well, think of the good news. It says you're a dog walker. They're going to have to have professional dog walkers because it specifically says people who walk their dogs, they don't want people out of the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if this is true, then don't you have a 78% higher chance of contracting Covid. Catching COVID if you just walk outside in general, even with a mask? I mean, I don't understand the logic of this.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, no, no. You're missing the whole point. The. The nasty little Covid guys, they're floating around as an aerosol and they land on the dog's fur, and then you bring. Then you walk the dog into the house, and the dog is covered with these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man. Doggy shampoo.

[Adam Curry]

Fleas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doggy shampoo. We got special Covid doggy shampoo. There's all kinds of product opportunities by the right here.

[Adam Curry]

You nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, I'm Adam Curry. I used to hate dogs until I found the love of my pooch with the new Covid shampoo. Only one end of show mix for today. Everybody will be the full Jeff Smith build back better song. It is up for sale for any globalist who would like to license it from the no agenda Gitmo nation Jeff Smith publishing company, which now exists. It's our exit strategy. Oh, you imagine how much dough we could make if that thing became a hit worldwide? The sync rights alone. Oh, my God. Here's your exit strategy, everybody. Make sure you turn on your favorite globalist to this next song in the EU A fantastic. This could have been a Curry Dvorak Consulting group exit strategy. I am beating myself over my head that we missed this opportunity. I'm very, very disappointed in myself, in you as a consulting partner. Founding consulting partner. And probably very disappointed in our associates, known as producers of the show, that no one came up with it.

[Adam Curry]

This must be really bad. You're scolding everybody.

[Circumference]

97 year old Colette Dupa, a nursing home resident in Jumont, France, has been taking precautions against against COVID 19. She's been limited to speaking with her family via video call or through a window. But now Dupa is able to feel their touch through plastic thanks to an inflatable tunnel known as the hug bubble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baby. It even has one of our names, the hug bubble. This thing is fantastic. We could have manufactured them overnight.

[Circumference]

Dupa's daughters recently visited her, putting one arm through an air to tight sealed plastic sleeve to reach their mother and stroke her hair. Stephanie Lazo is an assistant at the nursing home. It has brought comforts. Residents would see their relatives through a window or through a camera and they were really missing having real contact. And they are getting a lot of love. Before Dupa's daughters left, they took turns kissing their mother on the cheek through the plastic. After guests leave, the employee disinfects the plastic sheet to prepare for another loving encounter in the hug bubble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you see the problem? Do you see the problem? Hug bubble.

[Adam Curry]

It is disgusting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, and it's all it is is it's a bouncy house, you know, a clear plait without the colorful pieces. A bouncy house castle with, with two arms. And then your granny comes up, you can stroke her hair with the plastic. It's beyond sad. Very, very, very upset. We didn't come up with that. Damn it. And also got one of our producers saying, hey, I'm a dialysis technician. Urea is one of the waste products excreted in urine that we manually remove from people during dialysis. Your exit strategy is farming it from humans that are having it removed during dialysis. You get some potassium and calcium to boot. There you go. We could be selling.

[Adam Curry]

We could be like another Dan Quail.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Taking advantage of this human systems.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I just go aphids. There's another thing they like to eat. I'd like to aphid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd like to turn that frown upside down and introduce to you a sure fire 100%. You hear how weak, how weak it is, how unprofessional. How. It's just. The messaging is all wrong. This is our exit strategy. We can come up with tomorrow's caviar and it's cheap. It's cheap. We can have producers all over the world, all over gitmonation keeping bugs. Well, they'll be licensed. They will be licensed affiliates. You know, we're franchising it and there will be approved bugs, but we market it as tomorrow's caviar. Great in audio too.

[Adam Curry]

So hard. The problem with the Tech Grouch and actually the tech hippie too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is that I developed these voices for him. And the Tech Grouch in particular was painful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it hurts your throat. And I hurt your throat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And I tried to make adjustments. So I. I did. I need to go to a voice coach to do that voice correctly because I was doing it incorrectly and it would. And I just said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, you went to a voice coach?

[Adam Curry]

No, I said I need to go to a voice coach to have them show me how to do that voice correctly without hurting my throat.

[John C. Dvorak]

So all we need is like the Tech Grouch saying something like, I was OTG before the Unabomber was in the woods. Something like that. You know, that'll be good for the show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, you can write the material if you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will you perform?

[Adam Curry]

Most of that was ad libbed.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are so talented. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We could do that one of these days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we'll put it on the list of great projects. Exit strategies galore, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Itm. We had a great meetup in Pittsburgh yesterday. We met at a park with a fireplace that we use, but it was still pretty chilly out. After making cinnamon rolls and candied bacon to bring, I wanted to also have a healthier option, so I made deviled eggs. But after 10 minutes in 20 degree weather, they froze into egg sickles. Sad. The more you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Stop, Stop. This is an exit strategy. Egg sickles? Are you kidding me?

[Adam Curry]

You're gonna kill him there. The more you know. She continues.

[John C. Dvorak]

And thank you. I'm. I'm. I have a feeling that egg circles. It could be a snack that children could just get into around the world. Think about it. I mean, who doesn't love a deviled egg? Now you could savor it for hours on end. I'm liking this. I'm all in on it.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think Tina will be very.

[Adam Curry]

Happy with this idea, which is she. And she is from California and probably didn't do what I did, which was take the course on sexual harassment. Employee, how to hire, how to fire, how to. The thing that I was required to take and you never took at me.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. I fast forwarded through it. Yes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You didn't take it. The fact if. That if. If you have this exemption in hand and you give it to your employer and they say they ask you one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Question, you can sue them.

[Adam Curry]

About your religion. And then she says, well, then you can go back and go talk to the. You can go back and talk to them. We can get you some more backup. And then. No, no. If they ask you one simple question, you can sue them. And she says, well, you don't want to have a hassle with your employer. The amount of money you can make from suing your employer in California for something as simple as them asking you about religion, John, is millions of dollars. Stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello? Exit strategy. Well, we just need to get employed somewhere.

[Adam Curry]

Sue each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's never gonna happen to employ us.

[Adam Curry]

But this is like. And. And this invites another thing she overlooks. Again, even though she's from California, she obviously never took the training.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

She never did the work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nope.

[Adam Curry]

There will be what you experienced, which are the embedded scammers through State who get into a company just long enough to look, look at here, look left.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Remember that Kleiner Perkins.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Find the open spot, the open sore, and just go for the dough. And they dale bring down tens of millions of dollars. There's so much opportunity here in California. She doesn't realize this when she says, well, we have to work. You know, that's bul.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe, maybe, maybe that's because she wants you to come back to her and her lawyer pals because that's. That's their gold mine.

[Adam Curry]

They're not charging anything for this. It's a value for value model.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but. Yes, and the value is once you have a problem, you come back to us and then we screw your. Your.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure that's just minor. The. And if you're the person you were just informing these everyone that if you have this opportunity, and I think that document, if you imagine it being signed and then notarized notary stand, it needs a raised seal. It would look pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Raised seal and everything.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and it would look pretty good. And you take it in and say, okay, whatever. So true. Most employees don't give a crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

We always joke about our exit strategy. But I think there's one that may actually work for us. A real exit strategy. Are you ready for it?

[Adam Curry]

I'm all ears.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the hot things with. It's so hot, all the kids are doing it. Even the NBA is doing it. It. Have you heard of NFTs? It's the new hotspot.

[Adam Curry]

Lucky Strike means fine tobacco.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. NFT stands for non fungible token. And this is being used with digital media. Either a piece of art or a piece of video. And this One image is marked and registered on a blockchain, which is finite, so no extra tokens can be included. And I'll give you the example of the NBA. The NBA, it's like trading. It's like trading cards, and there's only one of each. And your ownership of it is proven on the blockchain. And these things are going for millions of dollars. It's the ultimate collectible. It is digital. You don't have to send anything. And people pay you in cryptocurrency to have ownership of these tokens, of these digital assets. And this thing is huge.

[Adam Curry]

I hope it's as good as my one square inch of the moon that I own.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very similar to that, what the NBA is doing. So you can buy them, but then you can also trade them, and so the value goes up. And as people are trading these digital assets, the NBA is making money off of the trading. And so I was thinking, what could we possibly do? And I came up with the following idea. What if we had an NFT for the no Agenda episodes? And the initial price of each individual item would be complete ownership of an episode, and episode one would go up for sale for $1. Episode 1325 would go up for sale for $1325. Do you see the Ponzi Building?

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's no Ponzi. Ponzi implies that you. You're shoveling what you make back into the deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're not. We're just taking it. Yeah, these things are crazy high.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn't there something we're thinking of turning into a market?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is it. This is it. We could do jingles. We could do the artwork. We could. We could be selling by the time we're done, we'll be millionaires and we'll have nothing left. We'll have no ownership. Look them up.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Nft, how that would work.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm identifying this as a huge deal. The NBA is doing it. So it's legal.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. If the NBA is doing it, then, you know, everything's on the up and up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm very excited about it. Very excited about this. Whereas we thought bitcoin was Beanie Babies, this NFT stuff, it's truly the analog. It is the Beanie Babies of cryptocurrency. And it's very scammy. And my. After some research, my initial thought was, we really want nothing to do with this. And then I thought, wait a minute, minute. What if all of the producers. What if we all got in on the scam? Because you can Program who gets what when you sell it. And we drive this thing up like crazy and sell it all to some suckers who think that this thing is hot, even though it's really just a complete pump and dump by the no agenda Nation. Like collusion, full on insider trading. I mean, can we do this? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's called conspiracy to commit a felony.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a felon. What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

It will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we can get it under the wire if we do it now. You're no fun. You're no fun.

[Adam Curry]

I'm all gambling, by the way. I'm not completely objecting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. So we've got to work it out a little bit, but in essence, we just have to get people buying and selling this and tapping it up a little bit every single time. And until. Until some sucker comes in. And we have to have trust in the group. Right. You have to have trust that if someone buys something for 500 bucks, that there will be someone there who's going to buy it for 501, because that person will know. So we all have to have some kind of code so we can identify fellow travelers. And the minute you're above, let's say, $10,000.

[Adam Curry]

Sound like you're starting the communist party the way you're doing this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, I'm. Exit strategy. I need a vacation. Noagendaartgenerator.com for all your NFT joy using that to mine Bitcoin. And so that's changing. But I would like to go with this. And I think we should look at everything in our green economy. We should look at everything this way. How much electricity does it cost to do that? And you can shame people on that. And I think if you are a podcaster and you are worried about how much electricity is being wasted, you need to make shorter podcasts. Much, much shorter. All podcasts for green energy should be no longer than 15 minutes.

[Adam Curry]

Really should have a green podcast. You should have a label.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should set up a exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. Green. Green podcast. No, no, we need a word. Green podcast seal of approval. Podcast podcast. Green podcast certified. No, it has to be something better than that. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Brainstorming. It would be. It wouldn't take us more than a few minutes to dream something up that would work. And you being the inventor of the process.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the promoter of podcasting 2.0, you're in a perfect position to be part of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. What does a lead stand for? Lead is the certification. Right, Right. What lead? L E E D. That's the certification for buildings leadership and energy in environmental design. Lead that they have the certification. So maybe we should just make it P. Peed. There you go. No, that doesn't. Peed.

[Adam Curry]

That's it exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

P, E, E. D. Your podcast is peed Certified.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need a logo. It needs to look like the lead logo or it'll just say peed.

[Adam Curry]

No, it needs to look. You know, kid, that's on the back of vans that's peeing on something or like the little. There's your logo right there. We just license that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. You too can have an official piss pod. I mean, it just keeps writing itself. John.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Potential exit strategy. Ladies and gentlemen.

[Adam Curry]

We have enough stuff to deal with. Well, I will, but if it's audio only. Okay, then it makes it silly.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's one thing that I had the thought about. If someone hasn't already done this, you might want to consider it Clubhouse. I mean, I've not been on there. I've seen plenty of videos. I'm not interested at all.

[Adam Curry]

Please see videos if it's audio only.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because people record it and then post their. The screen recording of their phone where you see the little icons light up when they're talking and they record it. That's how you record a clubhouse meeting. So it's a video of what people look at on their phone, which is just a screen filled with people on stage or not or in the audience. What I don't understand is why anyone is wasting any time on this. You need to go straight to corporate. This thing, this conference call app, that's what it is. It's a conference call app. Should be sold as a conference call app. It would revolutionize conference calls. Conference calls in business, business suck ass. The free numbers suck. They're horrible. They're no good. This is perfect. You can moderate. You can give someone the microphone, bring them up on stage. You can shut people down. This is a great product for business, for. For people. It is destructive and stupid just as a consumer app.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's. Sounds like an exit strategy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I didn't want to mention this baby.

[Adam Curry]

Over to business. That's what is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean we could, we, we too can do. Just license the Chinese back end technology. That's where they get it from.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Chinese will license to anybody. Best price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Best price. One of our dudes named Ben might want to help us along. Help us exit.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. We need a dude named Ben that can help us on this because we're too old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we need Speak for yourself, young man. Time to exit. Time to exit.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, they did mention the forgery issue, which is something you should be concerned about if you, if you want to actually take this seriously, even though there's no reason to. And then you can have a discussion of that at the same time promoting somebody tweeting pictures of their card, which then can be extracted from the tweet or the Instagram post and you can cut and paste and create your own cards. Although as I, because I brought this up before on the show, somebody sent me a link. I think it was Y oming's. I think it was the Wyoming state health Department. They actually have the card online, printable. You can, if you're a doctor, you just go to this link and you download the card, print it on some card stock.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, John, you're pretty good with the gimp exit strategy, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Making fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fake vaccinations, fake vaccination cards. We take bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

Now, the question in my mind is, if that's true, why does the testing have to involve going up the nose and down the throat when your mouth is obviously filled with COVID viruses or you wouldn't need these rules.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll do you one better on this, and I'm very, very excited about this. NASCAR just announced at the Atlanta Motor Speedway they will be using Covid detecting dogs. And I'm very excited because if this.

[Adam Curry]

Is true, okay, that's the topper.

[John C. Dvorak]

If this is true, you win the show, then, then if this is true, then you can, you know, don't swab me. Just have your dog sniff me. That happens at the airport. I'm okay. In fact, NASCAR went so far as to say in a bulletin sent to teams, quote, these dogs have shown to be as effective as PCR tests in identifying an infected person and are already being used by professional sports teams, hospitals, and many other businesses to screen employees and guests. Well, this is fantastic. And it's an exit strategy. We have nothing but dog people listening to this show. We need to start immediately, go, start training, certifying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that. That brings up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a distributed dog Covid sniff dog sniffing protection system. We can rent everybody's dog out.

[Adam Curry]

This brings the. Brings it to the fore, which is, how do you train a dog to do this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we'll get. We'll get the details.

[Adam Curry]

You just don't tell the dog, hey, dog, while you're sniffing around, which you seem to be doing all day, it's all you do. Can you. When you spot a Covid person can you let us know?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see. We'll be working. Who is the. Oh, this is NASCAR. We'll be working with the 360k9 group, a provider of specialized detection dogs that serves industries ranging from the federal government, sports teams, cruise lines, hospital, and other large venues. So this is already rolling out, but it's not being talked about. They've worked. They've worked with the USDA since 2013 to detect viruses in plants with great operational success. So I guess you just, you know, you just take an infected swab oozing with the COVID and say, here, Fido, Sniffy. Their newest company, Biodetection K9. Oh, that's a. That's a. That's a TV series.

[Adam Curry]

There goes your exit strategy. These people that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got the name Biodetection Canine. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Now, meanwhile, in American mainstream media.

[Circumference]

And finally, if you like Mac and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheese, you'll love this. Kraft has created the first ever grilled cheese incense to make your home smell cheesy all the time. Yeah, baby. That's America. Foam finger number one. We rocking it.

[Adam Curry]

Who wants to go into somebody's house that stinks of cheese?

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheap.

[Adam Curry]

Beyond cheap. Cheddar. This is a cheap scent. It's probably just chemicals that heat up and it makes it smell like a. Like, cheap cheese. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got to think that maybe there was an accident in the lab. Like, wow, what is this crap? Hey, add that. I have an idea.

[Adam Curry]

We'll turn it into Mac and cheese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, now, exit strategy. There's a thought. What about actual Mac and cheese candles out of real? Okay, maybe not.

[Adam Curry]

It'll burn. Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, in American mainstream media.

[Circumference]

And finally, if you like Mac and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheese, you'll love this. Kraft has created the first ever grilled cheese incense to make your home smell cheesy all the time. Yeah, baby. That's America. Foam finger number one. We rocking it.

[Adam Curry]

Who wants to go into somebody's house that stinks of cheese?

[John C. Dvorak]

Cheap.

[Adam Curry]

Beyond cheap cheddar. This is a cheap scent. It's probably just chemicals that heat up and it makes it smell like a. Like, cheap cheese. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got to think that maybe there was an accident in the lab. Like, wow, what is this crap? Hey, add that. I have an idea.

[Adam Curry]

We'll turn it into candles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, now, exit strategy. There's a thought. What about actual Mac and cheese candles out of real? Okay, maybe not.

[Adam Curry]

It'll burn the ftc. And there's somebody. Some of the group was, during the Obama administration made a huge fuss about people on Twitter specifically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Pretending to like something because they got paid to pretend to like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

And they were supposed to. Now they had to be disclosed. You had to disclose doing this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't see any disclosures going on on TikTok. That woman's little bust out there, which I thought was admirable on her part, I would say indicates that there's a bunch of people that you see them going, showing up, taking the vaccine and getting paid. Yeah, this is against the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I was thinking, that that's not the way it's supposed to work.

[Adam Curry]

Where's the enforcement? You know, one of my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enforcement. He said we need enforcement.

[Adam Curry]

The enforcement of such a law.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to follow the rules.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a law. It's not a rule. It's a law. And it's being broken left and right and nobody's doing anything about it. They should be arresting people left and right and throwing them in jail. That's what I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

The United States center for Disease Control and Prevention has reached an agreement with popular video game deals. Twitter account wario64. Yes, wario64.

[Adam Curry]

I see this coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wario64 has about 900,000 followers on Twitter. Twitter. And they've come to an agreement so that the Twitter account. Not saying that's a person, a company, just The Twitter account wario64 will now be paid to announce COVID19 vaccine availability nationwide. I mean, these are good little deals you can get from the government today. Shit, man. Exit strategy, we'll just reverse everything, take some dough, tell everyone vaccines are great, and then we'll split it all. We'll make everybody whole on the back end.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we exit.

[Adam Curry]

Bye.

[John C. Dvorak]

But those are customers and you have to pay for the system. And so Apple communicates with them. And I got an email. Hey, podcaster, we're going to tell you about this new stuff and it's probably going on right now. They just started actually. They. So that, you know, that's the Apple customer who is not a customer of Apple is these app developers, they don't pay Apple to use their API. It was just an accident that it was available. And so within Apple when these changes occurred, there was no one representing app developers who were sucking off this index. And so they weren't considered and it just got turned off overnight. It's just. It's a complete mess and they're not going to try and fix that. So. So with some from the future, Foresight this podcast, index.org turns out to be a lifesaver. I mean, we've, we've, like big shows are just gone. Not available on any app anywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you lucked out.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean, lucked out?

[Adam Curry]

You got the. You got. You got the index there for people to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, it was.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, fall back on.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like anyone's. Not like anyone's paying us for this. I'm just saying, podcasting lucked out. That's what happened.

[Adam Curry]

Well. Well, they're not paying you, but eventually you're going to monetize this thing and screw them just like Apple did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. Well, since you just exposed my exit strategy, I'm cutting you out of the deal, Dvorak. And this is. This is. I feel very, very bad because this is going to. This is exactly what the World Economic Forum has predicted. You're not going to own anything, slave. Not because you won't. Don't want to, because you can. And people are talking about prices doubling in the next year. Doubling. What is going on? What is going on?

[Adam Curry]

It's. These things blow up, of course, because these ideas aren't perpetual.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, but that'll cause a huge crash if that happens, won't it?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I don't know what's going. Maybe you should just sit tight and make even more money when you sell the house, if you can. Because then again, there's always the up. There's a collapse.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I'm saying. Eventually there's gotta be a collapse. Who knew that my exit strategy would be the house?

[Adam Curry]

Most people's exit strategy is the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That's why it's a shame that the millennials haven't been able to get in on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The property ladder is important, like symptoms, and that was conflated with the COVID numbers. Yeah. I think you know what bothers me, and it's a problem that you and I have with this particular show. A year ago, we pretty much had already figured most of these things out. We figured out the droplets, we figured, you know, we had the numbers. We saw the flu cases were gone long before that was recognized. We looked at, you know, the true data. We, you know, we saw the, the bait and switch charts and graphs, they kept pulling up. I think Osterholm still thinks we're going to die next week. And, you know, the gain of function research, all of this stuff, all of this stuff we have talked about and of course, branded by many as Covid deniers and Nut jobs, conspiracy theorists. Yes. And then it comes out.

[Adam Curry]

All we're doing is playing clips, I might add. Adam Curry's a nut job.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the only.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I think you should sue him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him for not actually being a nut job.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was libel is what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Talk to an attorney about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. Anybody?

[Adam Curry]

John and I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm talking to the trolls now. We had an idea to really do a Morning Zoo type episode of a show.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we were talking about this after the last show, actually, and we've already put together the cast, but we're missing one important member. So to review for a Morning Zoo show. Now, are you going to be my sidekick or am I your sidekick? It doesn't matter much.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm thinking about producing the thing and making Darren o' Neal your sidekick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, yeah. That's all he has to say, by the way. Ooh, yeah. Everybody is wagging in the morning every morning. And then he can. He can do. Yes, Okay. I think that's a. So you're the producer, you're your coach. Coach John, you got to have a name. You got to have a zoo name. You can't.

[Adam Curry]

You can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you can't. You can't just be John C. Dvorak. So you Coach John?

[Adam Curry]

No, I had to ask him. Serve MK Ultra John or something. Jmk. I don't know. We'll come up with it. That's the least of our problems. Our real problem is what we're going to discuss right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay, so. So here's the crew, because you need a crew for the Morning Zoo. So we got me, we got Darren, we got Coach jcd, known as the Widowmaker. Then we figured we need to have the. Now we need a woman who also. Who is there and does stuff like. Oh, Adam. And. And she also reads the news. And that. That is obviously Dame Jennifer. Her.

[Adam Curry]

And she says snide things besides just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Adam, give me an example of something snide.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in other words, if there be some moment where there's something that could be a double entendre. She's the one who introduces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, right, right, right. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's what she said would come from her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. This is going to be legendary. Now then we needed. Actually, actually, we wanted. Well, you can't be coach. We need a coach for sports. And in sports, when it comes to Morning Zoo format, you want a guy who is familiar with sports, but can also be the community affairs director. And. And we'll call him coach. And has to be a black guy. And since we only know one black guy, it's gotta be Mo.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Mofax. And he's a sports.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a sports guy, so he can do it. And then. Then the final thing is where we're stuck. We're stuck. And that is the entertainment reporter that has to be a gay guy and has to sound like a gay guy.

[Adam Curry]

We talked about this and we decided because of today's market, you can't have a guy who sounds gay. We have to have a genuine gay person.

[John C. Dvorak]

You gotta have a gay guy. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but he has to also sound gay gay. Which is a stereotype mostly found on the west coast. It's a West coast gay because everyone in the rest of the country. They bit you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everyone.

[Adam Curry]

I've listened to enough talk shows and podcasts where the gays get together and complain about this accent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

That the west coast guys have. And it's the. It's the Hollywood gay bull crap. Both phony, baloney, gay. Ish sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. But. So we have requirements. Not you have to sound gay, but you also have to be gay. Gay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you have to be gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we were taking auditions, so.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I. I was supposed to have a script ready. I won't have it ready probably until the Thursday show because we want everyone to read it from the same script.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to hound you. I'm going to hound you over this. You. We need to get that.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely get it written.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to get that script up and running.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll have a. So they have to do this and they have to do it in their best manner. Best, get best. You know, we're up for criticism for even bringing this kind of thing up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what's interesting is I'm already seeing.

[Adam Curry]

People, but if anybody wants to audition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And just so you know, the reason why our entertainment reporter has to be gay, because that's the rules in Hollywood, in case you hadn't noticed. You can't play someone on the spectrum unless you're on the spectrum. Everyone knows this now. So we're just following the rules, man. Every day, all day, without exception.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. If you go. If you watch any of these shows or. But the reason that this formula comes to mind is because this is. If anyone has a morning zoo show in their neighborhood, you'll notice that this is pretty much the model that everyone uses. Because it's. Because it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's so exciting and fun to listen to. I don't know if it's still working that well.

[Adam Curry]

And there's. It works. And there's a lot of banter. Banter between the two hosts and the gay Hollywood guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. And then. And that's when Jennifer jumps in and says. That's what she said. You know, that's just in there. We're talking to the, to the entertainment guy. And then Dame Jennifer comes in with that. It's going to be beautiful. It will be a piece of legendary pilot. We're doing a pilot? Yes. Half hour. Oh, my God. Okay. We're doing a half hour pilot. Who's writing this pilot? Like, because it can't be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'll be doing a lot of the writing, but most of it's just going to be ad libs, obviously, because you're doing a morning show.

[John C. Dvorak]

We.

[Adam Curry]

I, I think a lot of these shows have some music.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they have all kinds of music. Beds running underneath when they're talking. There's all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we can do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Adam Curry]

So it'll be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm very excited.

[Adam Curry]

Might get work.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. This is our final exit strategy. It's on you anonymous gay guy out there who's gonna save us. And they go. And these drivers, they go out and it's every night, it's all over Austin. They're parking, they're driving, they're comparing their systems, and the base is. Reverberates for miles.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, I was just as you're describing this, they have those in parts of California too.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we're. That's one of the reasons we're moving.

[Adam Curry]

But how about this for our exit strategy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, ooh, another one.

[Adam Curry]

You. You produce some tapes or CDs in the case. It depends on the gear. And you go, you find these guys. There's a bunch of them. There's hundreds of them that have these systems. And you have them play these things through neighborhoods which are announcements. Attention citizens. And it would be like. It would be like those old. Remember those in the movies, you see the car going down with the big bullhorns on its roof.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And it would be today. There's a sale on it. Raley's asparagus is 99 cents a pound.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're going to, we're going to become sellers of advertising space in this medium. Is that your idea?

[Adam Curry]

No one else is doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'll take it into consideration.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I don't know. Well, you talk about. There's no sound effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

The long horses died, Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Tell us more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we had four tornadoes just out at the same time. And the horse has died, John. The horse has died.

[Adam Curry]

Where was the horse? Where was the horse? Was it a farm horse? A dray horse? Was it a racing horse? What kind of horse? It was a. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop asking questions and just tell me to stay safe.

[Adam Curry]

Stay safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how you do a report. That's npr. Why, why don't. Whatever happened to people going in to the TV studio and hijacking it? Where are those good old days?

[Adam Curry]

I think they, they put in counter measures so you can't really do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do it. Too bad, because those, those, those days were fun, you know, and we could go into this NPR station and take over to. Get out of the way, lady. You're boring. You're killing us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but did nobody listen? So what good is it going to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's that. Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to think of exit strategies.

[Adam Curry]

That's a way. They're pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Permit. Yes, permitless.

[Adam Curry]

Carrie, I've been out here. We read that now you don't need a permit or training. Just you buy a gun just everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's correct. Correct.

[Adam Curry]

There's a vending machine. You can pick up a Ruger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. Great idea. I think I will get one going. That would be a great business. Just have a Ruger vending machine on the street.

[Adam Curry]

I think so too.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the airport on your way out though. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, you can get those. You can get the ipod, you can get a, you know, extra battery pack and a blow up pillow. And there's a Ruger and. And here's a nine mil. It's perfect. That's a good idea. All right. Another exit strategy is in the works. We may not even return Thursday.

[Adam Curry]

Right place at right time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. What are we doing wrong, bro? What are we doing wrong, John?

[Adam Curry]

Everything we do is wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, well, here's my exit strategy. My personal exit strategy. I was so happy to hear a U.S. senator speak in these terms. It is U.S. senator Loomis. Who is Loomis? L U M M I s. You knew newbie.

[Adam Curry]

She's one of the. I think she's one of the radical Republicans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Radical Republicans, I think.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I just. Never mind what I just said. I don't know what I'm talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be. It could be. I'm just curious.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard her name. I think it's a woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, she. She's new. Cynthia Marie.

[Adam Curry]

She's one of the new Trumpers. I think she's a Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait, no. She has a fullness. Cynthia Marie Loomis Wiederspa.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, then I don't know her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stay safe. Is an American politician and attorney serving as the junior United States senator from Wyoming. Is she's the first woman to represent Wyoming in Senate. A member of the Republican Party, she served as the U.S. representative for Wyoming at a large congressional district from 2009, 2017. Okay, she's all in on the bitcoin, not just for herself, but also for the state of Wyoming. I like this report.

[Circumference]

Senator Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming is the founder of the Financial Innovation Caucus in Congress. She's been a major advocate for crypto currencies on Capitol Hill. And I sat down with her for CNBC's Financial Advisor Summit and she told me she envisions bitcoin in particular becoming an important component of individual retirement portfolios. She believes it can serve as a hedge against inflation as the size of the nation's debt relative to GDP hits historic highs. I encourage people to buy and hold. I encourage them to say bitcoin for their retirement, for their future. And that's because as the Congress spends trillions and trillions of dollars and is flooding our economy and the world economy with US Dollars, there's no way that we cannot debase the value of the US Dollars. And Lummis practices, which she preaches. She's an investor in bitcoin as well. I buy bitcoin and I hold bitcoin. You buy bitcoin?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes.

[Circumference]

You have bitcoin?

[John C. Dvorak]

I do.

[Circumference]

How much bitcoin do you have? Well, I only have, I think five bitcoins. Only five bitcoin. But she bought them in 2013 for about $300 each. So she can now add a couple of zeros to that number. And Wyoming is in the process setting of setting up its own crypto banking system that Lummis hopes will become a model for other states as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we have El Salvador, Mexico, now Mexican banks, now starting Paraguay, and now the state of Wyoming with their own.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what's wrong with gold.

[John C. Dvorak]

But ok, nothing's wrong with gold. I don't think people are against gold at all, but okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. It seems like they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the only thing different between bitcoin and gold is it's a lot easier to pay with. Can I have the antibodies test? So I'm negative for COVID negative for antibodies and she told me, she said there's actually evidence and she's a. She's a nurse in hospitals as well. Well, that babies that drank breast milk from mothers who had antibodies, had antibodies. And I'm thinking exit strategy product. Seriously, I mean it's made by nature.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you listen to what you just heard. Because that was. Now again, what you just heard was someone got the vaccination and it was the spike proteins that got into the milk and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, no, I know, I'm just saying that that was an interesting side note. But. So this is the. So what she's taught. What she discussed earlier was the so called self spreading vaccines. We've talked about that. At least we've seen it. I think we talked about it briefly. And that would be through the use of these exosomes. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

I recently supported a SPAC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

A SPAC white paper. 250 listed SPACs from 2018 to 2021 for my firm. I believe things are developing with the SEC intervention adaption to allow specs to become more typical, a more typical vehicle for public listing. Any input from John? Well, I. I think you're probably right. Can you please send me the list?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, John's like, I want to invest.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, you got. Yeah, I mean I want to. You send me a note. John at Dvorak Dvor D V O R A k dot org and I wanted. Cause I think there's some SPAC opportunities that are. Because when these things take off, I mean it's. You're talking about about one week 10 bagger. It's like ludicrous investment.

[John C. Dvorak]

So yes, 10 bagger, like $10,000.

[Adam Curry]

10 bagger means 10x.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Exit strategy, bring on the spikes. You know, speaking of exit strategy, one presented itself to us just out of the blue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There's a whole Twitter thread. This one person's like, hey, I really like the no Agenda show. I'm trying to figure out the lingo and Tina the Keeper jumped in, you know, people explaining what certain things, certain things meant. But then I got this tweet. I haven't, I haven't replied to it yet. Please excuse the noob question, but what is the no Agenda Zephyr Economic Indicator? I've searched on TradingView, but I can find nothing of the sort. A Trading View is a charting program where you can do technical analysis. I was thinking we should have horrible make one of those indicators. It's just a little code. That would be the no Agenda Zephyr Economic Indicator. People subscribe to those indicators like 20 bucks a month.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they do. They do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just a thought.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if that's an exit strategy, but it's a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just thought I'd bring it up. I like the idea myself. That is why there is so much.

[Adam Curry]

Fear in the country about what this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Means for Roe, because they didn't stop Texas and the idea of pitting neighbors against each other, colleagues snitching on each other because someone is desperately trying to. Potentially desperately trying to safeguard their health in the health. May perhaps the health of their. Their unborn child. This is just. It's beyond.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. You got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, all right, all right. You need to. You need to bend over because this is well deserved. That was a great clip.

[Adam Curry]

Great catch clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Damn skippy.

[Adam Curry]

And you're trying to protect the health of your unborn by killing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. I would like to reiterate this point that I am completely okay with abortions as long as we are also, and we get the television rights able to show capital punishment executions live on television. I think that is a fair trade off. Death for death. We want the rights to produce.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the exit strategy that make us multimillionaires. But unfortunately it's never going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not going to happen.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God. By the way, the most dangerous bike I ever drove was a Honda 50. It doesn't go. It doesn't stop. It just doesn't go. It doesn't stop. So you get it going, you know, you finally gets up to some speed, you can't stop the damn thing. So that is a death trap. I'm glad they took him off the market.

[John C. Dvorak]

My last ride was motocross. It was a celebrity ride. And I had always ridden like 125, maybe a 250. They gave me a KTM 450 and I went up on the like the table jump and I landed and somehow my wrist just kind of went down and the bike shot off and I landed flat on my back. And that was it. I couldn't poop straight for a year after that when we doing this show.

[Adam Curry]

When that happened, I have no idea. It's a horrible story. Well, let's start off with our donations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Instead of our tales of woe tales.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of old dudes and bikes. Hey, that's another exit strategy. I hear that car talk is gone, so it can be old dudes with bike talk.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What do you need a special bottle for if you can't get your special bottles? Once you get the 750s, that are very common and available. And use those instead of the funny shaped 750 that you obviously have custom made because you can't get them for some unknown reason. It doesn't make any sense, this story. Nothing's going to die in the vats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I actually had a thought about this.

[Adam Curry]

How about jugging the wine up?

[John C. Dvorak]

If you think you're going to worry about it. No, no, you're close. You're close. I'm thinking, stay with me. Because we are uniquely positioned for this. This is an exit strategy. Strategy. No agenda box wine. Think about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it doesn't have to be shit. I'm game for no agenda box wine. Except for there's a couple problems. One, most of these places have bottling facilities on site. The bottling facility to make boxed wines is specialized equipment. That would cost more than it's worth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? I thought, well then why do they even put it in boxes if it's so expensive?

[Adam Curry]

And there's guys who make the box wines, they're the inventors of it. Pretty much are France. I think some European companies, we can't just go. That's what they have. They have this specialized equipment that makes boxed wines.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can't just order from them a whole bunch of boxes.

[Adam Curry]

You'd have to get the wine to them and they'd have to job it to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this doesn't sound.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think it would be. I mean, there are other people making boxed wines. I've noticed them. You know, these different kinds of generic box wines at Target has a bunch of crazy labeled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. This is where we should be in Target. We should be in Target with a dynamite package. Beijing. And it should be like, you know, it should be an Easter egg where people like, dude, have you tried the new no agenda box wine? It's like, that's just really good. Yeah. John C. Dvorak, renowned.

[Adam Curry]

That would actually. This is what I'm saying. This. I have had good boxed wines. It's always French.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about no agenda?

[Adam Curry]

So you could make wine. There is a possibility of making boxed wine that's quality wine in the United States. I've just never had it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. I'm just thinking ahead, you know, for when we're 80. Well, you know, we could have.

[Adam Curry]

We could have a whole line game for this. I'm game to build out a boxed wine company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. No agenda. Woke wine would be one Woke wine.

[Adam Curry]

Let's call it that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think we want to have some other sub labels perhaps Woke. Yeah, just wine for you Big black letters. It's the wine for the progressive liver. Yeah, something like that.

[Adam Curry]

And actually progressive light progressives, believe it or not, are the ones who drink a lot of the boxed wines because they don't know any better. And they put it in the refrigerator. That's what's cool about. Especially the whites go. And the box goes in the refrigerator. And you go, and would you like a glass of wine, honey? And you go open the refrigerator door and you squirt out some of the boxed wine into a glass and you bring it out. Just some chard for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You. And I said, shard. Some shard for you.

[Adam Curry]

Shard or Shard? Pinot Grigio would be another. By the way, we had a guy. I gotta get this winemaker's name. The guy was up at the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, wait. Woke wine. It's the wine for the progressive generation. Come on, man. I'm feeling it.

[Adam Curry]

I'm in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shard for you. I mean, there's Shard. It's never ending.

[Adam Curry]

Say that on the side of the label.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shard. Shard, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Cab would be the other one. Shard, Shard and Cab.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm so happy I got you excited. I thought I was not gonna. Merlot. No. How about that one?

[Adam Curry]

Merlot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Merlot. No. Yes, I know. And think about the fantastic art we could have and know. So, and, And. And by the way, we'll put lost dogs on our carton or something. We'll just. We got to bring in more of these great elements and we gotta have.

[Adam Curry]

Like the lost dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It would be huge.

[Adam Curry]

I like the idea of a big black cube, though, just as the art for woke. Something about a. Just a black cube with the word cab on the side in huge letters. Like Franklin Either. That wouldn't be Franklin Gothic. You'd want some serif font.

[John C. Dvorak]

Font.

[Adam Curry]

But you just have it on there. It was super bold, super heavy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm. I'm so. I'm so. Oh, shit, man. Someone already has Woke wine dot com. What the hell?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. There goes our exit strategy. No, it's. It's still available. You can buy it for three and a half thousand dollars or you can lease to own. Did you read? You can lease a Domain name only $292 a month. Month.

[Adam Curry]

How much?

[John C. Dvorak]

2.92Amonth. It's lease to own. Lease to own.

[Adam Curry]

How about Woke Wine? I think there's a dot wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is. I think we have a. We have a product here. And our. Everyone can chip in. Everyone can work about it and work.

[Adam Curry]

And maybe they can chip in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chip in? Yes, chip in.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe. We probably have a producer that listens to the show that knows all about boxed wines. Probably work. Works for one of the big wine boxing companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh and by the way, small batch.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, small batch. Artisan. Artisan boxed wine. There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we need people are patrols are already offering to invest in this project. Yeah, I know. This could be dynamite.

[Adam Curry]

You could do one of those public one of those. There's a type of investment you can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That is where people, you know, beer breweries do it constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm familiar.

[Adam Curry]

And you get this straight money in there, boom. Next thing you know, we're the box wine guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's going to run it? Who's going to run the business?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we have to hire somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. Anyone we know? We're just going to. We're going to do auditions. We're going to like in job interviews.

[Adam Curry]

Auditions. That's a funny way of putting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that what it is?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, kinda. I think we should put this in. We put it on the. On the burner.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on the burner, ladies and gentlemen. It is on the burner. The woke wine. But this is the one that, that has everybody really worried. And this comes from the Guardian. Just as reliable as the Daily Mail. Fox News, check it out. Is about to launch a 24 hour weather channel. And this has climate crisis researchers worried about the channel's reach to perpetuate misinformation and advance political goals through the weather. This is so obvious. I'm pissed at us, I'm pissed at ourselves for not seeing this obvious exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, start a weather channel that debunks climate change nonsense.

[John C. Dvorak]

What were we thinking?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we weren't.

[John C. Dvorak]

We weren't. Fox Weather. Fox Weather. Everybody with Shep Smith. Bring him back. A 24 hour channel devoted to all things meteor, meteorological promises, cutting edge display technology, forecasting experts surrounding every major weather event. And I bet there'll be panel discussions.

[Adam Curry]

Boots on the ground panel.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to work for this outfit. This is. That looks like fun.

[Adam Curry]

Let's bring in our panel. We'll talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we'll talk about the weather. The wine box, the woke box. With the 14 years we felt wouldn't connect. You know, it's too early in the, in the exit strategy. We're not, we haven't positioned it yet. By the way, in the show notes today, one of our mark Dant. I don't. I think you're on the email. He did two product shots of the no agenda box wine known as Woke wine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Woke Wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. It's so beautiful what he's done. It's bored. B O R D for you and shard for you. I mean, it's. This product is real. All we need is some hooch to put in it and we can sell.

[Adam Curry]

There are. There are a bunch of private labelers that maybe can do the job for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need someone to step in because this is big. You know, there's an Austin box wine company that's doing up upscale box wines. Who knew?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, this is the thing you have to do. It has to be upscale because that's the key.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The question is, do we spell wine with an H or not? That's.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, he's not. Yes. I don't think that was his goal. His goal was to. Sorry. It was the trumpet. The greatness of diversity.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's back it up a little and continue.

[Adam Curry]

Theater owners and producers and the actors union co signed a 17 page diversity pledge with a group of artists. Artists called Black Theatre United. They've agreed to set up trainings and mentorship programs and they'll make sure that creative teams aren't all white. And that's something that the Dramatist Guild, which represents playwrights, composers and lyricists have done as well. They've added an inclusion rider to their contracts. And then there's an organization called the Broadway Advocacy Coalition. It just wanted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, what did he just say there? Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

All white. And that's something that the Dramatist Guild, which represents playwrights, composers and lyricists have done as well. They've added an inclusion rider to their contracts. And then there's an organization called the Broadway Advocacy Coalition. It just won a special Tony Award. That's joking. With some current Broadway shows. The Lion King Company, Atina. Jaelian Livingston is a member of the group and he says he hopes the training sticks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, this is depressing. I'd like me a musical.

[Adam Curry]

This is four. That was two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Three, I think. Oh, yeah, that. Yeah. You got two more. This is. It's worth it. It's worth it. I'm. I'm kind of digging this nut.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, here we go. Let's go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy. Exit strategy. Exit strategy. The WOKE Awards. What do you think? Ooh, yeah. Yeah. The WOKE Awards.

[Adam Curry]

Nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Had Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, now Nikki Mac. They are collateralizing debt. Does it sound anything like 2008, 2009, where we're going to have all of this stuff built into these bonds. And that's where the money is, it's trading these bonds as expertly explained by Alison McDowell.

[Circumference]

So this idea of a social impact bond is essentially reimagining our lives and social relationships as future debt projections. Whether that's being educated, whether that is health care, whether that is housing access or subsidies, food subsidies, being involved in the judicial system, all of these have numbers attached to them. And then they say, well if you can, if we can provide an evidence based what works intervention, we will pay this much money, which is a smaller amount than we would pay if you, all these bad things happen to you and we would have to pay a lot more to fix you after the fact. We'll just preemptively fix you. Only the problem is it's essentially pre crime now. The problem is, is that the terms of these agreements, which are essentially privatizing government services, privatizing services that the government should just be de facto providing. But then the government through austerity says we can't provide it unless you, we can be assured that it works. And so they outsource it to these nonprofits, some of whom are faith based nonprofits, to do these social welfare services under conditions of a performance based contract. The profit isn't in the tiny slice of return on investment. It is actually in the fact that they're going to securitize all the debt and that hedge funds are going to trade off of that debt. The game can't go unless you have the structure. They can't run the bets unless the game goes on. So they have to build the game and that game is being built right now. They need all of the data to slosh around in a big pool because they can't justify taking profit off the fact that you didn't become addicted. If they can't track that against some intervention they put you on in middle school. All of that data has to interlock and that's what's going to come with digital identity. And that digital identity system is something that the, the World Wide web Consortium has been working on for like 15 years. And I had thought it was going to come through education transcript records, but clearly now it seems like the much bigger plan is to have it come through these medical passport protocols.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there you go. Oh, Utah, funny roundabout way to get.

[Adam Curry]

To the end now. And it was good. So you brought up the 2008 debacle. So what we have to do is figure out what is the equivalent, what's the short default swap, what's the short. No, it's the credit default swaps. Because it wasn't shorted. It was. They. They just went under. You couldn't short those things. You just picked up the insurance.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is our massive exit strategy. Is that what I'm hearing of the.

[Adam Curry]

Plotting over exit strategy? This would be a massive amount of wealth that we just happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole no address agenda. Gitmo Nation could exit.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. We could pay everyone off.

[John C. Dvorak]

We could all exit.

[Adam Curry]

Excellent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, there's something that you need to know which may offer an opportunity for an exit strategy. I know you're interested.

[Adam Curry]

I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Angela from Vegas contacted me and she says, Adam, things are going so well. You know, she has a production company and she's just. Vegas had the biggest revenue month, last month of all time. Time. Not pre Covid. Of all time. She says the masks mandates pretty much gone. All the. All the plexiglass that was separating all the players is gone. And everyone, you know, Adele is now perform. Is getting ready to perform with her residency. So Vegas is back. She's got business. She says, I need to do something. And she is going to create, and she has the chops for it, a documentary about gitmonation, the producers specifically, and value for value. And she's going to set up a website and people can talk about the value that they received from no Agenda, from no agenda Nation. The value they've given back, really about the value for value aspect. And she's going to go to meetups and she's going to. And she wants, of course, interview you and interview me. And then it hit me, John, wow. And I said, well, I said, well, first of all, how can we help? Well, interviews would be great and promote it on the show. Of course, no problem. How are you going to make money? How are you going to. Well, it has to be value for value. Okay. So she understands how to do that. And then I thought, holy crap, this is it. If there's one project that Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak can pull off for an exit strategy with the companion documentary, it is the value for value book. Throw out the pepper book. Throw out the vinegar book book. This is the book. We could do this and it would be a classic for times. It could usher in a new economic structure.

[Adam Curry]

What pepper book?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just making it up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, a real book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not a giblet. A real book. We both have to write it.

[Adam Curry]

I can tell you, being in the book business at times, books are one shots. They go out, they come out, and then they die. They're not sustaining unless you set up a seminar system where every month you have to go on the road and you go to some location and you talk to, like, either free seminars or if you want to scam them into buying an upgrade or some cheap $100 deal where you get maybe a hundred people and you do that time and time again, and then you sell the book at the end of the seminar and you. It's a dead end. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I can't write the book myself.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not saying you can't make some money from a book. And it would be a good book to do, and it's probably something that should be done. And you can make some money from seminars too, but, you know, it's a dead end and it's a grind. That's the worst grind that we're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's no exit strategy then.

[Adam Curry]

Not if it's a grind.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it could be a fun book, though. It could be a useful book. We could finally help people get out of the pricing mechanism of Silicon Valley. Do it for the children.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. We should do the book anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, okay. Now you're talking. Let's just do the book. Let's. And you know, we can maybe we set up a zoom masterclass.

[Adam Curry]

We just do the book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, we'll do the book. So I'm sure that we have pig farmers. We got hog farmers amongst our producers. Let's. Let's get the inside dopio on the pig piss.

[Adam Curry]

You know the idea that somebody said they're burning pig urine out of the blue, which is what triggered my thinking here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That this stuff doesn't come out of nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the troll room blew up the minute I brought it up. They're like, oh, pig piss. Pig piss. And I didn't know. And then I'm reading this article and it says it right there. It says, this is actually. It said something a little different, didn't. It didn't say, this is not true. It said. What is it? Pig urine. This is too funny. Here it is. You may have seen rumors. Rumors, that's you trolls. That it contains pig urine, but that is factually incorrect.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's true. It's factually incorrect because it's not pig per se.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's treated as you. It's treated.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pasteurized. Pasteurized pig piss. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

It's pasteurized.

[John C. Dvorak]

This.

[Adam Curry]

And homogenized for your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now can we not. Can we not create this urea with this or. That's not it's. Two different things. The urea is not the same as the PPP.

[Adam Curry]

PPP?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The pasteurized protective clothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pasteurized pig piss. PPP.

[Adam Curry]

The P3 pig piss. The P3 that could become a drink with the water Buffalo milk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my God. PPP with alcohol. It's the new white claw exit strategy. Hello.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, hello. Go over. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you make a cool can and you put on that can, pig pit this. It will sell like crazy. It will sell like crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Especially in the frat houses of Stanford.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our fraud, waste and abuse inspector checked in with me. As you know, she's out there identifying fraud, waste and abuse in everywhere she can within the medical sector. And sent me a screenshot of the Texas Human and Health Services internal email. Listen to this. Second round of grant funding available through the Texas Vaccine Outreach and Education program. This is an exit strategy for us. If we weren't the way we are. The Texas Department of State and Health Services is in partnership with Texas A and M Health announced the opening of the second round of funding for the Texas Vaccine Outreach and Education grant program. In this round, organization can apply for grants to engage in vaccine education and outreach with the goal of increasing the number of fully vaccinated Texans against COVID 19. Now this is an interesting, an interesting thing to get one of these grants. Do you know what these grants range from?

[Adam Curry]

I'm holding on to my seat.

[John C. Dvorak]

From 50,000 to $1,000,000.

[Adam Curry]

So to be a promotional operation, you can get a million dollars to tell people to get vaxxed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Side of this coin that is starting to make the virus look a little bit more undoubtedly.

[Adam Curry]

Now this might make some people think, well, sounds like I'm going to get it and it could boost my immunity without a lot of risk, so why not just get it over with? But Camille and others say, don't even think about it. Get vaccinated and boost it. Even if Omicron's milder, it still can be really nasty, even deadly. And don't forget about long Covid. Omicron's going to inflict enough carnage. And many scientists caution its way too early to conclude with any certainty that we'll be on the right road after Omicron.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, exit strategy idea. We need some kind of box that you can hook up to, you know, your speakers. And whenever some messaging is coming through like that, it puts that echo on automatically. That was really beautiful because that's exactly what it's intended for. You will obey. Yeah, that's great. Good one. Good sweetening Joe job.

[Circumference]

Some of the activities it was addressed by a child a couple months ago that they are put in an environment where there are kids that are. That identify as a furry. A cat or a dog, whatever. And so yesterday I heard that at least one of our schools in our town has a. In one of the unisex bathrooms, a litter box for the kids that identify as cats. And I. I am really disturbed by that, and I will do some more investigation on that. I know what's going on nationwide. I know it is. It's part of the agenda that's being pushed. I don't even want to understand it, but I think that people need to be aware of it, because I am really upset as a parent that my child is put in an environment like that. And, you know, I'm all for creativity and imagination, but when someone lives in a family fantasy world and expects other people to go along with it, I have a problem with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, that's a great. This is. That's so. I mean, we have furries who are producers of the show. We got no problem with that.

[Adam Curry]

Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

We love your furries. We got a. We got our trans women. We got everything.

[Adam Curry]

One of the kids to be pooping in that thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm thinking this may be a potential exit strategy. Or we can have kitty litter, you know, approved people for furries. Furry litter, which will be approved for. For children. We'll have it all organically tested, make sure no one's allergic to it, and we can actually have a contract.

[Adam Curry]

EU standards.

[John C. Dvorak]

EU standards of kitty litter. Yeah. I'm kind of digging this, but I can see where parents might be concerned, might have some issue. Oh, my goodness. Life is great. It's your podcast. You put it together. You should be very proud of it. You'd be very proud that we still can go on our merry way and continue, because I. We are not cancelable through advertising, corporate money, etc. We're not financially cancelable. The only way we can go away is either you stop supporting us or we find the real exit strategy. Still looking for that one. I think we should revisit the human furry kitty litter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think that idea came and went. I think we got to go back to what you said at the end of that last clip, which is we had a re. We had to revisit exit strategies in general. Making another show out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That was very. By the way, that was very entertaining. You are correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Circumference. John Jensen, thank you so much. We really appreciate that you put that together. And again, we have sir. Deanonymous with the no agenda search, it's bingit IO it's clip genie.com if you want it for your own for your own podcast if you want go check that out and we will continue to search for the exit strategy. Will it be a book? Will it be a microphone company? Will it be a book that we put a phone in? I don't know. We'll try. Hey, we'll be back on Sunday with a new live live episode if you want to listen live, fresh new content from the boys at no agenda until then, coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody, I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

And remember [e-mail] we look forward to thanking you all in the next episode. Until then, adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such.