1788 - "chatJCD"

Summary

Podcast Summary: No Agenda Show – Episode 1788 "chatJCD"

Introduction Released on August 7, 2025, Episode 1788 of the "No Agenda Show" features hosts Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak delving into a range of contemporary issues, primarily focusing on the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence (AI), its implications in various sectors, and ongoing debates surrounding vaccine technologies. The episode interweaves their characteristic candid discussions with curated clips from news anchors and experts, providing listeners with a critical examination of mainstream narratives.

AI and the Limitations of Chatbots The episode opens with Adam and John expressing their frustrations with current chatbot technologies. John remarks, “It turns out none of these chatbots can have a conversation. They only understand the question and answer model” (01:35). They discuss the inability of AI to engage in genuine, spontaneous dialogue, highlighting the limitations of AI in replicating human-like interactions. Adam optimistically counters, “It can be fixed. It will be fixed” (02:23), suggesting future advancements may overcome these challenges.

AI in Job Interviews and Recruitment A significant portion of the discussion centers on the integration of AI in job recruitment processes. They critique the use of AI recruiters, presenting clips from a news segment where AI conducts job interviews. John cynically observes, “The AI is incapable of being excited about anything” (04:08), emphasizing the lack of personal touch and empathy in AI-driven interviews. They express concerns over AI’s ability to adequately assess candidates beyond structured responses, lamenting the loss of “witty banter” in human interactions.

Vaccine Development and mRNA Technology The hosts transition to a critical analysis of mRNA vaccine technologies, referencing a news clip featuring Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announcing the cancellation of significant federal contracts for mRNA vaccine development. John asserts, “They know they want it. I have some sad news, actually…” (02:26), setting the tone for their skepticism toward the administration’s decisions. They argue that mRNA vaccines are being portrayed negatively despite evidence supporting their efficacy and safety. Adam challenges the narrative by stating, “All the evidence to the contrary. A new report just came out from Japan showing the rate of deaths people that got the shot is higher than the rate of deaths of people that didn't get the shot” (15:38), although John remains steadfast in his disbelief of these claims.

Gerrymandering and Redistricting in Texas Delving into political maneuvers, the episode examines the contentious issue of gerrymandering in Texas. John provides historical context, explaining, “Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries to favor one political party or group” (67:14). They discuss recent efforts by Texas Republicans to alter district maps to secure political gains, highlighting Democratic strategies to stall and challenge these moves. The hosts express frustration with the partisan tactics employed to maintain or shift political power, emphasizing the ongoing battle over fair representation.

AI and Education/Socialization The conversation shifts to the impact of AI on education and the socialization of children. They critique the reliance on AI-generated content for storytelling and education, arguing that it diminishes creative and interpersonal skills. John mentions, “We're hurting the arts,” reflecting concerns over the loss of traditional educational practices and the overuse of technology in fostering human connections.

Data Centers and AI Infrastructure Addressing technological infrastructure, Adam and John discuss the proliferation of data centers and their strategic importance. They critique the current race to establish AI capabilities, questioning the sustainability and economic implications of expanding data center operations. John analogizes the situation by stating, “This is a house of cards,” suggesting that the rapid growth of AI infrastructure may be unstable and unsustainable in the long term.

Political Banter and Donor Acknowledgements Throughout the episode, there is a recurring theme of political banter and light-hearted interactions between Adam and John. They acknowledge their supporters, awarding titles of Associate and Executive Producers to frequent donors and sharing humorous anecdotes about the donation process. This segment underscores the podcast’s community-driven model, where listener contributions are integral to sustaining the show’s operations.

Conclusion Episode 1788 of the "No Agenda Show" offers a multifaceted exploration of AI’s limitations and potential, the contentious debates surrounding mRNA vaccine technologies, and the enduring political struggles over electoral districting. Through a blend of critical analysis, curated news clips, and engaging host commentary, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide listeners with a thought-provoking examination of issues at the intersection of technology, politics, and society.

Notable Quotes:

• John C. Dvorak on Chatbots: “None of these chatbots can have a conversation. They only understand the question and answer model.” (01:35)
• Adam Curry on Fixing AI: “It can be fixed. It will be fixed.” (02:23)
• John C. Dvorak on AI Recruiters: “The AI is incapable of being excited about anything.” (04:08)
• Adam Curry on Vaccine Data: “A new report just came out from Japan showing the rate of deaths people that got the shot is higher than the rate of deaths of people that didn't get the shot.” (15:38)
• John C. Dvorak on Gerrymandering: “Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries to favor one political party or group.” (67:14)

Tags: AI, Chatbots, mRNA Vaccines, Gerrymandering, Texas Politics, Education, Data Centers, No Agenda Show, Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm here on the street and I don't know anything. I'm dumb. You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, August 7th, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1788.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gerrymandering for joy and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're all wondering how Sydney Sweeney can still be in the news, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning. Really. Is that, is that. Are you guys like behind in California? It's left my news.

[Adam Curry]

They're still talking about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's left my. I haven't seen it all.

[Adam Curry]

You have to go on msn. You see, Go. Oh no, msn, just hit. Get the browser.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get a browser.

[Adam Curry]

What's the name of that browser they got there at Microsoft that as soon as you hit it, they play ads by the ton. The Outlook Bait. The Clickbait Browser.

[John C. Dvorak]

Edge.

[Adam Curry]

Edge, yeah, Edge. The Edge Clickbait Browser.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's not like they're trolling your computer to see what you're interested in. No, no, no, none of that.

[Adam Curry]

They don't have to. This stuff is too good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They know they want it. I have some sad news, actually. I was trying, desperately trying to create a show. Adam Curry and Chat. Jcd.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes, right. This is your challenge. Get rid of me as you've been impossible.

[John C. Dvorak]

It turns out none of these chatbots can have a conversation. They only understand the question and answer model. So if I'm not asking a question or end my sentence with a, then it will not respond. And everything it says, if it's just random, it ends with a question. It's like it can't work alongside me and just chat. Does that make sense? Okay, there's a question. So it could answer that. But just this witty banter we have is impossible.

[Adam Curry]

Well, dissolvable.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not solvable.

[Adam Curry]

Yes it is. It can be fixed. It will be fixed.

[John C. Dvorak]

How?

[Adam Curry]

Well, some one of these no geniuses will fix it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's not meant for that. It is only. And if you look at every video.

[Adam Curry]

Everything out there, it's not meant for that. That's kind of an interesting thing to say out of the blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that a strange thing I'm saying?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, you might be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's meant for question.

[Adam Curry]

Which means it's not solvable.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's meant for question and answer. It can' because I've tried it and I'll just. And I give it the pre prompt. Like just, just jump in whenever you hear a pause. And it would jump in and would ask me a question. Like, I don't need your question, just give me your opinion. Doesn't have opinions, has no opinions.

[Adam Curry]

Plenty of opinions, but they're always couched in the form of a question or an answer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. So it sucks.

[Adam Curry]

And I gave up too soon.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm really disappointed because I was ready. I was ready.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it does turn out that it's really good. Really good. I mean, like just uncannily good. Even though it sounds like that.

[Adam Curry]

What's the phrase using my voice by the way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, I didn't even get to that. I just use what I did say, try to sound a little effeminate. And it was like, hey, hey darling. Hey darling. Like, no, no, no, let's not do that. That didn't work. Chat GPT and the GPTs are very good though. Appare at job interviews, artificial intelligence might.

[News Anchor]

Help you apply for a job. And as it turns out, it may also end up interviewing you. Some companies are relying on the technology to have initial conversations with candidates claiming it saves them time and money. Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist position.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that the guy from France 24? They use his voice. Welcome to the NRL. For those possession man, I'd be hanging up right away, like seriously. But it doesn't stop.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute, what are you playing here? Is this what if I call to get an interview, this is what I end up hearing? Yes, on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the pre interview. Now they schedule an interview. I'm sure that's all AI schedule.

[Adam Curry]

Is it on the phone? Well, it's a phone call or is it over the computer? Is it on?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not made. This is not made clear.

[News Anchor]

Claiming it saves them time and money. Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist 2 position. We're excited to learn more about you and your background. When Shafik logged on for her, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think the AI is incapable of being excited about anything.

[News Anchor]

Latest job interview, she realized she was speaking to artificial intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

How? What was the clue? What was the giveaway? Was it something? The way it spoke or that voice that you've heard a million times?

[News Anchor]

I was caught off guard. I was shocked that it was asking such good follow up questions. She says the AI was Extremely polite, but she felt something was missing. There's no small talk, nothing personal, and I wasn't able to really tell if my answers were landing or not. These AI hiring bots can now screen, shortlist and interview job applicants. It's set up like a zoom meeting. Candidates have a conversation with a synthetic voice. The AI will then summarize the call and score the candidates for someone at the hiring company to review. Do you have any questions about how this interview will go? For some applicants, AI can add confusion to the process. Maureen Green had to end an interview herself because the AI wouldn't stop talking. So an hour in, I'm like, so I don't mean to interrupt, but you know, it's been more than half an hour after the scheduled time of range of you. I just want to be mindful of your time. Even though I'm like, it's an AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agent, there's a second. This is from cbc, by the way.

[News Anchor]

I decided to give it a try and test the AI's reaction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, deep journalistic effort.

[News Anchor]

How much do you get paid? Haha. Well I'm just here to help with the interview process. So I don't have a paycheck, but for this role, compensation details would be discussed.

[Adam Curry]

That haha was very sarcastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was. It was rude.

[Adam Curry]

Borderline rude, I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Haha.

[News Anchor]

Haha.

[Adam Curry]

Well yeah. Haha haha haha.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hehe ho ho to the funny farm.

[News Anchor]

Haha. Well, I'm just here to help with the interview process. So I don't have a paycheck. But for this role, compensation details would be discussed later in the hiring process. Anything else you're curious about? My conversation went pretty smoothly with no glitches, though I probably didn't score the job. There are a handful of startups working on this software. One of them, Toronto based Ribbon AI, was founded just two years ago. CEO Arsham Giramani says he already has 400 customers.

[Adam Curry]

I do think this will become the norm for a lot of industries. So think like a manufacturer, really large restaurant chains. These are all areas where it's often really hard to hire for those roles.

[News Anchor]

He says the AI recruiter works around the clock, so it saves employers from running hundreds of interviews a day. And it frees up human employees from tedious tasks like scheduling though. Garamani.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no.

[News Anchor]

Humans calendar final call on hiring.

[Adam Curry]

I think a lot of people are scared because AI is getting so good so fast and I understand those fears that. But I think ultimately humans are always making decisions. I think they'll always be A human in the loop.

[News Anchor]

Still, it's clear, as more companies embrace the technology, who knows what's next? Workers will have to expect changes too.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, you're going to wind up hiring crap candidates. This is so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, there'll be a little pamphlet or a book or something on how to beat the AI because they'll. Because there'll be two or three companies that set these systems up. And so they'll all have the same flaws. So once the flaws are exploited, the smart money will get all the jobs, the whole. There's not even smart money. It's just people that looked up the right way to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

This whole thing. I mean, do you want to stick on AI? Because I have a lot. We can come back to it later if you prefer. I'm happy to do it now. And there's some money.

[Adam Curry]

Whole thing. I want to do these vax clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I got a lot of vax clips too. We got. We're vax crazy, man. We're going.

[Adam Curry]

I'm, I, I would like to start the vax clips because I think you're going to have a hard time beating npr. But hold on, let me see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I have NPR vax clips. Let me see. Well, I don't actually. It may be. I tell you what. Because it's top of mind. And, and as we know, the M5M is completely owned by big Pharma. They are the largest Advertiser by over 70% of revenue. It's the, the amount of. The amount of scripted stuff just. It is, it is so disgusting.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to say. I want to set you up. I want to set you up.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I just going to say that this trickles down to local.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it trickles down to everywhere. But I think the most important thing we can do for our no Agenda producers is go to the origin. The origin being the actual statement Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Made. He made.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I wanna. Please don't. Because it's the punchline to my NPR clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, do your NPR clips and screw y' all, go find it yourself.

[Adam Curry]

No, it'll be in here. It's all in here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, okay. Okay, let's do it.

[Adam Curry]

Except it's all in here. Except for the good part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, that's why I wanted to play the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, the good part. That's the punchline. Really. Take my word for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm taking your words.

[Adam Curry]

The last clip, it's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what, you know, chat. JCD would just say, sure, Adam, go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. That's the reason that I'm here. Go for it. It's the part they left out, but they go through the whole thing. This is terrible. This is npr, and I want to mention this in advance. These people wanted government money, taxpayer money to produce what is nothing less. It used to only be called drivel. And the nut. The people that they brought on it just. It's an apology for the whole big pharma. Let's play these clips, starting with clip one.

[News Anchor]

The Department of Health and Human Services is canceling almost a half billion dollars in federal contracts that were meant to develop new MRNA vaccines. It's the latest step that the administration has taken to curtail vaccine development and availability.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh, curtail. Okay, I had to stop it here. They've taken steps to curtail availability. Haven't we discussed this on the show a million times? That. That's bull crap. All they do is keep people from getting it for free. Maybe you can always get these vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that is what we call a lie. Yes, a lie.

[Adam Curry]

So they start off the entire presentation with a blatant lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The administration's try trying to curtail availability. That's what she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

I heard it. I heard it. I. We should defund them. Oh, wait.

[News Anchor]

Let's go to two hail vaccine development and availability. The move has alarmed. Alarmed, alarmed public health experts. And NPR health correspondent Rob Stein joins us now to explain. Hi, Rob.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi. Hey, there. Hey.

[News Anchor]

So. Hey. So I don't want to exaggerate here, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so the reason you really want to play your clips is you put five hours worth of work into editing these things to ridicule these poor people who are just reading scripts to start off with. But. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Hey. Hey, Adam. Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's okay, but go ahead, Kara.

[Adam Curry]

Hey there. Hey, there.

[News Anchor]

Hey. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey.

[News Anchor]

So I don't want to exaggerate here, but this sounds like a huge blow. Blow to the development of MRNA technology. Right? Like, what exactly did the Trump administration announce here?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a huge blow. The MRNA technology is what made the most commonly used COVID 19 vaccines available so fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy crap. This guy is great. Where'd he come from? He works well.

[Adam Curry]

He also. You don't get enough ad noises? He doesn't because he can't breathe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he come from the podcast side of the house? Just interesting.

[Adam Curry]

But Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Says the biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, known as barda, is canceling a slew of federal contracts that were meant to develop MRNA technology to protect the country against respiratory viruses that could cause the next pandemic and other threats. Let's listen to a little of what Kennedy said in his video.

[John C. Dvorak]

So hard to take this guy seriously.

[Adam Curry]

Announcement.

[John C. Dvorak]

After extensive review, Barda has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling just under 500 million doll.

[Adam Curry]

And this comes after Kennedy had already canceled more than $700 million in contracts to develop an MRNA vaccine to protect against flu viruses that could cause the next outbreak. Like, you know, the bird flu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[News Anchor]

Wait, so did he say why he's doing all this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, Kennedy has long questioned the safety of these vaccines, and he's also saying the effectiveness of the MRNA vaccines leaves something to be desired.

[John C. Dvorak]

As the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.

[Adam Curry]

And Kennedy goes much further, claiming the MRNA vaccines actually speed the evolution of the virus and can't keep up with new mutations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, they. Taking these selective clips from the Kennedy talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, very much so.

[Adam Curry]

And then they're extrapolating, which is what you do, and they're doing it in such a way that it's like the guy's a maniac, this Kennedy guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaccine has.

[Adam Curry]

We know it's not true. We just. We can't prove the other to the other to the contrary. But we all know it's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's anti vax.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because he's anti vaxx. We know that. That's the problem with this guy. Let's go to three.

[John C. Dvorak]

After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and fda, HHS has determined that MRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for these respiratory viruses.

[News Anchor]

Wait, hold on. How are public health experts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. I'm a.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a newsreader. I know a lot about this stuff. Hold on. It's safe and effective.

[News Anchor]

Wait, hold on. How are public health experts responding to that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're saying that none of what Kennedy claims is true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. None of it. Not a single bit of it. I know. This is the memo that went out. None of it is true.

[Adam Curry]

None of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

None of it.

[Adam Curry]

There's tons of evidence to the contrary. A new report just came out from Japan showing the rate of deaths people that got the shot is higher than the rate of deaths of people that didn't get the shot. To an extreme. But none of it's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

None of it. None of it. Not a single word of it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, who do you think they're going to bring in to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please let it be Hotez.

[Adam Curry]

No hotels. Is only network tv. Hotez is only network tv. He's very rarely on npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's too bad. He's a good guy.

[Adam Curry]

Better.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a good guy. He's a good guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but this guy's better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Better than Hotep. Okay. All right, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

According to the experts I talked to today, there is overwhelming evidence that the MRNA Covid vaccines are very safe and that they continue to protect people against severe illness even as the coronavirus evolves, and that they've saved millions of lives. Here's Michael Olserholm from the University of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minnesota, the progenitor of everything. The guy who came on just before I was on Rogan telling us that 2 million people were going to die overnight. Ah, this may be the most dangerous. Who, by the way, got Covid himself and has been, oh, he says long Covid, which I think is a vax injury.

[Adam Curry]

A couple of times. I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think is a vax injury and don't pay no attention.

[Adam Curry]

Foster home from the University of Minnesota.

[John C. Dvorak]

This may be the most dangerous public health judgment that I've seen in my 50 years in this business. It is baseless and we will pay a tremendous. How old is he?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's probably 70 then.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's been in the business for 50 years.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if he was 20, you can get into business when you're 20, you can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't get your medical degree by the time you're.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. In the business, the business of health, the healthcare business. Doesn't mean you have to be an MD I could be in the healthcare business and without an MD for 50 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's 72. He's 72. Okay, all right, all right.

[Adam Curry]

Doable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I concede. I concede it's baseless and we will pay a tremendous price both in terms of illnesses and deaths. I'm extremely worried about it because, Elsa.

[Adam Curry]

He says this leaves the nation without the quickest response to a new pandemic. And also, many say abandon MRNA technology leaves the country more vulnerable to bioterrorism. Here's Chris Meekins. He's a bio defense official in the first Trump administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a tell. This is a tell. You know, the whole. One of the main theories that this was a bioweapon test gone wrong and that the MRNA shots were there as the antidote. It's a tell when people are coming out. Well, you know, it's like we're open to bioterrorism now without that awesome MRNA technology.

[Adam Curry]

Well don't forget we had the clips from Malone that was that discussed the fact that this was the CIA's answer. CIA funded it funded answer to bioterrorism. And they wanted to create a platform and he used the word platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Platform. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So you could stop anything but the problem with the platform. And they would. The 2. The Adenovirus platform was the other one that was competitive that caused the problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is their platform is equal to. Well I was going to say OS2 but that was actually kind of good. It's basically Windows 3.1.

[Adam Curry]

It's a platform that doesn't. That's. That's no good. It's got documentation. All the documentation is coming out is against it. But these guys are fighting back there. I don't know why they're fighting back to such an extreme. There's. They've either got something planned. I, I don't like it first Trump administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that it endangers the national security of the United States. It could put the US At a strategic national security disadvantage and would be.

[Adam Curry]

A significant threat to the national security of the United States because the US Will no longer have the most powerful. He's got two reasons if you go play back it up. There's two reasons that this is a problem. One, it's a national security threat and two, it's a national security threat to the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Because we won't have the answer the same exact thing.

[Adam Curry]

What is he saying? There was because of this and that and they're both the same. National security threat. National security threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now you're just me to know. Ok, it's ok. We got it. We got it. I think that it endangers the national security of the United States. It could put the US At a strategic national security disadvantage and would be.

[Adam Curry]

A significant threat to the national security of the United States because the US Will no longer have the most powerful deterrent effective vaccines that could be deployed quickly. Now Kennedy says the government instead plans to invest in another technology that uses whole viruses that have been killed. He says that works better because it produces natural immunity. But the whole virus technology is much older and has had some safety issues and isn't real nearly as nimble as the MRNA technology.

[News Anchor]

That is NPR health correspondent Rob Stein. Thank you, Rob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so.

[Adam Curry]

This guy. This was so bad. It was an embarrassment. NPR should be ashamed of itself for this presentation. And they played these clips from Kennedy. But the one clip they left out which is this one which is part of the Big clip that you have. And I want to play this clip because this is the clip that they. They. This is editing by omission, where you leave something out so you can tell your story, but your story's bull crap because you left something out. And what you left out is the good clip. And this is the Vax Kennedy clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Left out one mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective. This dynamic drives a phenomena called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mut to escape the protective effects of the vaccine. Yeah, that was a very important part of his presentation.

[Adam Curry]

That was, to me, the most important part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what he said other things. I mean, I can play it, but.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you might as well play the whole thing now so we can actually hear what he said instead of the NPR propaganda. And by the way, they were there were amongst the worst. But then when I heard my local news report from ktvu, it was probably worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have a clip?

[Adam Curry]

No. I mean, I could clip all day and it'd be the same thing. Just. You know what it is? It's just a bunch of promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, promotion, it's. What is the term? Hilton Knowles? It's crisis management is what it is. Because they don't want people to stop getting any vaccine. You know, we don't want you to be. Because, you know, people are stupid. Like, oh, vaccine's not good. Robert Kennedy said. But mmri, mmr, it's a big one for us. We can't have them stop taking that. They have example. Example. I'm not happy with everything RFK Jr said, though. Hi, it's Robert F. Kennedy Jr here. Hey, why don't you go, hey, hi ho.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, it's Bobby. It's Bobby, everybody. You're HHS secretary. I like that. I'm your HHS secretary. At hhs, we have a division called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or barda. BARDA drives some of our most advanced scientific research. It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics, and other tools to fight emerging diseases and national health threats. Over the past few weeks, BARDA reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them. Let me explain why. Most of these shots are for flu or Covid. But as the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't perform well against viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract. Here's the problem. MRNA only codes for a small part of the viral proteins, usually a single antigen. One mutation, and the vaccine becomes ineffective. This dynamic Drives a phenomena called antigenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine. Millions of people, maybe even you or someone you know are dead, got the omicron variant despite being vaccinated. That's because a single mutation can make MRNA vaccines ineffective. The same risk applies to flu. After reviewing the science and consulting top experts at NIH and fda, HHS has determined that MRNA technology poses more risk and benefits for these respiratory viruses. Didn't hear that anywhere. That's why, after extensive review, Barda has begun the process of terminating these 22 contracts, totaling just under $500 million. Now, wait for it. To replace the troubled MRNA programs. We're prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies. Not liking this, Bobby. Like whole virus vaccines and novel platforms that don't collapse. New platforms when viruses mutate. Let me be absolutely clear. HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American who wants them. Yeah. Keep that up. Tell everyone this one is safe and effective. Try that on us. That's why we're moving beyond the limitations of MRNA for respiratory viruses and investing in better solutions. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So. And they're going for that one vaccine for all.

[Adam Curry]

I don't like.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't like that. I don't like that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't like any of it. He's. But he has to do what he has to do because he's under so much pressure by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. He was. He was. I'm cutting. No, I'm not accepting that. He was. He was like, oh, we're going to open up the archives. We're going to look at all them. At all the corruption.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. The three promises is what you're referring to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including. Yeah, we're going to really look at all the damage that these vaccines have done and we're gonna stop advertising. He can't stop the advertising because it's all editorializing, as witnessed by this mini cut of 4m 5m reports, which are, of course, exactly the same. Promote the makers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, hold on a second. I know where you're going here, but you can stop the advertising. The advertising is what drives the editorial. Now you can. I would say, here's the argument you can make. Okay, so there's no more advertising. So they're not going to pay us to do editorials. They're going to give us big bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

To just do the straight. Which is what you're suggesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But I don't think that, that you, you're going to get away with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've been on the take for those Amazon tip of the days for months. No one knew it. No one knew it.

[Adam Curry]

I should have a link. I should have a special code. Code. Bongino.

[News Anchor]

New at 7. The U.S. health Department says it plans plans to cancel contracts and cut funding for some vaccines being developed to fight respiratory viruses, including COVID 19. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Now says $500 million worth of vaccine development projects will be halted. The 22 projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna. The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Pfizer and Moderna, who make billions and billions in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Profits, this is right up your alley.

[Adam Curry]

Can't finance their own damn research. Why is the taxpayer picking up the tab for this when they have plenty of profits to do it and they're going to make more money from our taxpayer funded research? Is that what you're saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how the meeting went. Hi, we're from fiderna. This is a new coalition and we want to talk to you about editorial that, you know, we might just transfer some money to some other department. But Fiderna, we're very concerned about these contracts that have been canceled. We want to keep our name out there to make us look like the little guy. Like the big government is trying to come down on us. And you have to follow it up by saying our product, Fiderna, our products, was responsible for really saving people's lives. But say it a little softer.

[News Anchor]

Projects are led by major drug makers like Pfizer and Moderna. The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's perfect. That's exactly the line I want. Could you type that out for me so I can give it to everybody else?

[News Anchor]

Kennedy says he wants the department to invest in, quote, better solutions, but provided no details on what those better solutions might be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's try the next, guys.

[News Anchor]

The Department of Health and Human Services plans to cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines being developed to fight viruses like COVID 19 and the flu. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Announced that $500. $500 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she flubbed make good.

[News Anchor]

Make good, I should say worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Myrna, tell her it's Myrna. It's not Myrna. Tell her it's mRNA. She said Myrna, I'm not paying for this spot. This is ridiculous.

[News Anchor]

Worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology will be halted. The 22 projects are led by major pharmaceutical companies, Pfizer and Moderna. And these MRNA or Myrna vaccines are credited with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kennedy wants the department credited with slowing. Credited with slowing the pandemic is the opposite of what is being said by Kennedy.

[News Anchor]

Best in better solutions. But he provided no details on what those. Better solutions.

[Adam Curry]

No details?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no details. No details.

[Adam Curry]

Plenty of details, but there's no detail.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's a catchphrase. All of this, and let's do it again.

[Adam Curry]

Human services is pulling $500 million worth of vaccine. Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Said the 22 projects being halted all use MRNA technology. That's the type of vaccine credited with slowing the COVID 19 pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Excellent. Excellent. Credited with. Very good. But I didn't hear our names in there.

[Adam Curry]

Kennedy said he wants the department to start investing in better solutions.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight viral viruses like COVID 19 and the flu, according to AP News. This will impact 22 projects led by pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and Moderna. While MRNA vaccines are credited with slowing.

[Adam Curry]

The 2020 pandemic, Kennedy says he wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

The department to move away from MRNA vaccines, calling on the department to start investing in better solutions. Yes, better solutions. Okay, so. And that's how it works. But let's pull in some. Some real editorial, and if you really want to come across as credible, and you're CBS and you're the morning show, you bring in Dr. Celine Gounder, who I believe husband literally died. I mean, it wasn't from a vax or anything. Wasn't that the guy, the sports reporter? I'm pretty sure it was.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe Pounder Gounder. Not sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure. I think it was.

[News Anchor]

The Trump administration is pulling half a billion dollars in funding for MRNA vaccine vaccine research projects. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Says the technology is too risky, even though it's been widely used for Covid vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Gounder, Grant Wall. He died at the World cup in Qatar. But, you know, it had nothing. It had nothing to do with safe and effective vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she gets paid money and she gets paid money and, you know, what are you gonna do at some point? To hell with hubby. So what?

[John C. Dvorak]

To hell with hubby.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God, there's a show title. So there's. It still galls me. It's just that These guys is the, the 500 million, which is this, which is a pittance compared to the profits these drug companies make. It's just free money for them. The way they see it, it's, this is like, oh, we, this is entitlement. Oh, you know, you said you were going to send us this free money. We're going to use it for whatever. But what, where's our free money that we don't really need for this research that we, you know, we're just going to slam you because you're not going to give us free money. Terrible. This whole country is confounded with this kind of entitled free money to these corporate entities that don't deserve it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Go get a podcast and work like a normal person.

[News Anchor]

Dr. Let's bring in CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder, who is also editor at large for public health.

[John C. Dvorak]

They should say the widow Dr. Celine Gounder. KFF I'm sorry, I'm bad, I'm. That was, that was bad. You're gonna suffer unnecessary roughness.

[News Anchor]

Who's Dr. Gounder? Good morning. Good morning. So what exactly is an MRNA vaccine and why is this happening? In the past we have used what we call whole virus vaccines. So this is 1.0 technology.

[Adam Curry]

Stopped a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to love this.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. Are they starting the entire lecture about MRNA vaccines over from scratch? There's been a reset. Somebody hit the button.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

When did this happen?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the minute Bobby came out and said this.

[Adam Curry]

They have to reset so they hit the reset button. And now we're going to go right back to the beginning of the explanation for mRNA.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but.

[Adam Curry]

Or Myrna or whatever you want to call Myrna from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Myrna from Myrna from Figure she has a technology explanation for this which I think you will enjoy since you like the term platform so much.

[News Anchor]

In the past we have used what we call whole virus vaccines. So this is 1.0 technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Technology 1.0 technology. It's not technology, it's biology. Wouldn't you agree, Chad? Chad? JCD.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's biology. Technology to me is always, you know, something that is inert. Well, anything that involves living organisms would be biology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is a 1.0 of this technology. Let's see what 2.0 is really a.

[News Anchor]

Hundred year old technology. So a lot of your older vaccines were based on that, where you would take the virus, you would weaken it, you would kill it and that's what you would use to get the immune response. The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects and so over time we've tried to be more and more specific. 2.0 technology have a very specific protein.

[John C. Dvorak]

2.0 was the protein 2.0. 2.0. We went to 2.0.

[News Anchor]

Okay, 2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein. So for example, the spike protein in Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want, I want. What Is the latest iOS? I think it should be 18.6 at this point. So I feel on par with my phone, with my vaccine technology.

[News Anchor]

3.0 technology, which is mRNA.

[Adam Curry]

Just to review. Wait, stop. I forgot what was 2.0? I didn't get that part.

[John C. Dvorak]

2.0 was using specific proteins.

[Adam Curry]

What vaccine? The name of vaccine. That was that. What was an example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen.

[News Anchor]

The problem with that is you get a lot more side effects. And so over time we've tried to be more and more specific. 2.0 technology was to have a very specific protein. So for example, the spike protein in Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't. She may be talking about the J and J that they use the protein there, the spike protein. Or is that the. The Myrna, the five.

[Adam Curry]

You're in the Myrna. It's like the Myrna to me, because that's what the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then let's listen closely. What 3.0 is.

[News Anchor]

3.0 technology, which is mRNA just to review a little bit of basic genetics. Your DNA, your cells produce MRNA using your DNA. So that's a code. MRNA is also a code. MRNA codes for.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called Chad GPT is going to write my Myrna code protein.

[News Anchor]

And it's what the advantage of MRNA is, is it's much faster to make than a protein vaccine. It's much more efficient. And so when you're in the middle of an emergency like a COVID pandemic, you want the first fastest thing possible, something that you don't have to wait years to develop.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is a very good development. I want all scientists involved in Myrna, the fi da scientists in Myrna, I want them all to talk about this like it's technology. Because then I can say, yeah, it'll be just as great as Windows and everyone will go, oh, oh, maybe I don't want that. Because that's the truth of it.

[Adam Curry]

When is it going to be the Linux version?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that would be just getting Covid and lying down for a couple of days and getting back up. I got to tell you, the summer surge here is on. And we have a mix of people here in Fredericksburg.

[Adam Curry]

And oh, there's that side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I tested. I Have Covid. Yeah, me too. I didn't test. I feel kind of crappy, but I'm getting better every day. Yeah, but I can't go out.

[Adam Curry]

What? I can't go out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I can't go out.

[Adam Curry]

They've been brainwashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes. What? What is it? Oh, it was full on purple. Okay. You got really severe.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know what that means.

[John C. Dvorak]

The test was. Was more purple than purple. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. I've taken this test. It's never turned any color.

[John C. Dvorak]

Psyop.

[Adam Curry]

Totally. I guess so.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's continue.

[News Anchor]

And we should care about this now why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, good question. G. Should we care about it? Why? I feel okay.

[News Anchor]

Well, you know, we are on the precipice, potentially, of another pandemic with H5N1 burning.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, when was the last pandemic before this one?

[John C. Dvorak]

1918.

[Adam Curry]

So that's about a hundred years. Over a hundred years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, we're on the press.

[Adam Curry]

Seems to be. When was the one before the 1980s?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you arguing? This is CBS Morning News. That is Gail, Oprah's girlfriend. Why are you arguing? I mean, did you argue with Ellen.

[Adam Curry]

So I can keep my job so I don't get kicked out by the chat thing you're working on?

[News Anchor]

Well, you know, we are on the precipice, potentially, of another pandemic with H5N1 bird flu. And we have been watching this, tracking this for the last year or two. These things are extremely unpredictable. Could we have a pandemic in the next month or two? Could we have a pandemic in 10 years? We had no idea. But we. You need to be prepared is the message here. Like my husband used to say in the Boy Scouts, be prepared, be prepared.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was a Boy Scout. Well, okay, since you asked. I was going to wait for it, but we might as well because. And it's coming from Fox News. And that Fox News, they're not stupid. They know. They know where their bread is buttered and they're run by lefty nut jobs. Breaking news, breaking tonight, a viral outbreak in China prompts the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, to issue a travel warning. More than 7,000 cases of this disease have been reported so far. State Department correspondent Jillian Turner has details tonight live from the State Department. Good evening, Jillian. Oh, yes, good evening from the State Department. Hello from the State Department.

[Adam Curry]

State Department. State Department.

[John C. Dvorak]

How come it's not our. Our friend? Isn't she the spokeshole for the State Department? What's her name.

[Adam Curry]

The Tammy. Bruce.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tammy. Tammy. If it was Tammy. But Tammy's like, no, I'm not getting involved in this nonsense. You go. Live from the State Department. Good evening, Jillian.

[News Anchor]

Good evening, Brett. The cdc, as you mentioned, is warning Americans traveling to China about Qigongunya. It is a virus that spreads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay, hold on a second. Marketing department. Marketing department. This is no good. This is no good. We need a better name.

[Adam Curry]

Like, it sounds like the new variation burrito at some Mexican restaurant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chicunguya with refried beans.

[News Anchor]

Humans. Through infected mosquito bites, it can cause severe illness with symptoms that mimic pretty closely dengue fever and Zika virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zika. Small heads. Zika. Zika, Zika. Small heads are coming.

[News Anchor]

It's mostly found in Africa. Here's what the CDC says about it. They say most people infected get better within a week. However, some can have severe joint pain for months, two years. Other symptoms. Symptoms include severe fever and fatigue. The outbreak now is in the Chinese province Guangdong. It's near Hong Kong, with more than 7,000 cases reported so far, prompting some pretty dramatic measures to contain the spread, like mandatory insect repellent blasts for people entering the area. Mandatory property checks for stagnant water, which attracts mosquitoes, and when found, is now punishable by fines or even a yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'Re going to blast you with insect repellent. This is great. All we need now is a couple of TikTok videos with people falling dead on the street. Come on, China. Come on. But don't worry, don't worry. This particular outbreak won't actually kill you.

[News Anchor]

The CDC says Americans traveling to eight other countries are also at elevated risk of exposure to the virus, even if there is no current outbreak there. People at risk for more severe cases of chikungunya include newborns, seniors 65 years and up, as well as people with diabetes, heart disease. Now, the good news is that unlike COVID deaths from this disease are exceedingly rare. You can also protect yourself by getting vaccinated against it or by preventing mosquito bites in the first place through all the usual mechanisms. Insect repellent, netting, wearing long sleeves and staying in air conditioning.

[John C. Dvorak]

John, break out that. We need netting. We need to get netting, we need netting. Hats, we need netting. Shirts, we need mosquito. It'll be chikungoya. Protective gear. It has to be netting. Netting. Netting is the new. Is the new way. Because if you don't, well, we're gonna lock you up if you happen to get this.

[Adam Curry]

They're quarantining you in hospitals with mosquito.

[John C. Dvorak]

Netting and not Letting you out for a week.

[Adam Curry]

These are the kind of draconian responses we saw with COVID We're seeing it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait. Bring it on. Bring on your chikunggoya. I'm good. You check. Check your gory. It's all good. It's all good. Now, of course, we need to expand our anti Bobby the op campaign because we are very, very concerned about parents who are just, you know, I'm just not trusting all these vaccines. There's too much talk about, you know, should we really be Giving our kids 76 vaccines within forced four years of their lives? I'll tell you what. Oh, there's one other problem. All of the doctors, the pediatricians, they're really. I mean, the income is down, revenue is down, Advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it, revenue is down because we get a big bonus for all of the fully vaccinated children that we have attending our practice. So I think, you know, we got a new president for the association of family Doctors. Let's give her a script. Script. Let's make sure that the newsreader has the script. Let's throw in a couple of new terms. We'll have her repeat them a lot and him as well. And let's see if we can get the ball rolling here, shall we?

[Adam Curry]

New data from the CDC shows the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rate of vaccinations among kindergarteners has dropped again. There are more than 280,000 kindergarteners who.

[Adam Curry]

Are not protected against measles. Dr. Sarah Nozal is the president elect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the American Academy of Family Physicians and joins us now live.

[Reverend Manning]

Thanks for being with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all, let's talk about what's behind the drop.

[Adam Curry]

I know early on, after Covid, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were a little kind of vaccine they should have just had in the script.

[Adam Curry]

Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would have been easier, but now.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Covid, people were a little kind of vaccine exhausted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaccine exhausted. This is a new term. He's not doing it exactly right, but we'll take it. It used to be vaccine hesitant. They are changing this narrative to vaccine exhausted. I'm just.

[Adam Curry]

Good catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it gets better.

[Adam Curry]

Covid, people were a little kind of vaccine exhaust exhausted, if you will.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think is behind parents not getting their kids vaccinated?

[News Anchor]

Nowadays, so many families are not engaged with their regular family doctor or pediatrician getting all of their questions answered. I think finding that trusted source to ask those questions.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's reading. She's reading. Okay. She's reading. Listen to the read about how important.

[News Anchor]

Should this be when we're asking families now. And worse than surveying across the country, families are saying, saying this is not as important as it used to be 10, 20 years ago to have your child fully vaccinated. And that's really concerning to us as family physicians and communities where the whole community of immunity is what's going to be really critical to protect not just all of us, but your kid at home and when they go to school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, did you hear, did you hear her new phrase?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Community of immunity.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I missed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's coming up again. Don't worry. And we've had kind of a real world test of this, if you will, in tech. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those dumb rednecks down in Texas. Real world. That was a test. It was a test.

[Adam Curry]

Those, by the way, just as an interruption here. Did you know that compared to Texas, that Texas hails Canada is much worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alberta, Alberta, Canada, much worse than Texas. I know, I know.

[Adam Curry]

Why, what is the wrong. What, what is the rationale for not playing that up?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello, this is, this is Chicago WGN. This is MedWatch. This is for Americans. If we hear, oh, Canada, who gives a crap about Canada? But we can laugh about the Texas. You don't want to be about like Texas.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of it has to do with this old theory that you want to put a bunch of dumb rednecks on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, let's talk to the man on the street. Well, I'm here on the street and I don't know anything. I'm dumb. You can tell by listening to my voice and my accent, if you will, in Texas. Let us know how that, how that kind of evolved and whether or not it was the outbreak that people had felt.

[News Anchor]

The measles outbreak in Texas shows us exactly why a community of immunity and what sometimes we've heard of as herd immunity is really important. Measles is the most contagious of all of the vaccination diseases we can prevent. And we really need more than 95% of our kids in our communities to be vaccinated to make sure we don't risk an outbreak like we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we need it for our bonuses seeing in Texas.

[News Anchor]

And so as we're seeing across the board, CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic, little by little, down into the low 90 percentages we know we're risking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold on. Let's just talk about percentages. It fell from 95% down into the low 90s, which could be 93, 90.

[Adam Curry]

Even got to 91.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be 94. I mean, so we're talking a couple percentage points here as we're seeing it drop from 95% down into the low 90s. Because she's correct in that regard. People are just watching us going drooling across the board.

[News Anchor]

CDC vaccines are falling from 95% before the pandemic little by little, down into the low 90 percentages. We know we're risking losing our community of immunity that protects us.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is.

[Adam Curry]

There it is again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Community of immunity. She does it twice now. Let's get his phrase correct because he missed. He tried to just do it. Try to look natural and not read the prompter. And then while she was talking, they got, you know, he got in his ear like, okay, yeah, that was a good ad lib, but we'd really like you to stick to the script.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so what do you do about it? If it's that important and you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

To get the message out, how do.

[Adam Curry]

You reach people who are vaccine skeptical or just vaccine tired?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. Vaccine tired. That's better. Much better.

[Adam Curry]

Vaccine tired.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you get the message out? By paying for editorials like this.

[News Anchor]

The first place is to make sure you go and talk to your trusted physician, your family doctor, your pediatrician will be there for you to discuss and go through what vaccines are recommended. All of the evidence shows that you want to get every single recommended vaccine together and on time. That's a common question that patients ask, is, is it better to space it out and you want to get all of those vaccines on time. That is the most beneficial.

[Adam Curry]

On time has the best outcome when.

[News Anchor]

Those kids have the immune systems ready to go and ready to protect them going forward.

[John C. Dvorak]

You see, they can't time their stock purchases if it's not all in one go. You got to have it on time so the doctors know how much money they'll be getting so they can, you know, buy into Nancy Pelosi's portfolio or whatever it is they do. This is ghoulish, this lady, and she's the, the new, the new president of.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, I'm gonna guess what happens next because you have more clips of that. I think you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I don't have more clips of her.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really? Because I would have sworn if the next thing would have happened, he would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have said to her, I walked right into it, didn't I?

[Adam Curry]

You would have said, so there's a. So what is the purpose? And don't you think we should revisit the idea that the vaccine manufacturers are immune to any sort of liability because not because the vaccines are no good, but that they should, should not be immune to liability for the simple fact that it ensures that the manufacturing process is kept on the up and up so they don't get Carol and because just getting careless, you would get some liability issues. So don't you think that it's time to revisit the liability issue because it's the only product that's sold like this. All the other drug products are all products. All products. Exactly right. All products except this one product have to be made responsibly. Thus liability issues and liability laws do apply to all products ever made except this one product. Don't you think that should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we should pose that question to Robert Kennedy Jr. Wasn't that one of his promises at some point?

[Adam Curry]

I think it was. It wasn't of the big three, I think, but I think he's mentioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on. I mean, come on. The American people should, should demand this.

[Adam Curry]

We should demand liability.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amen.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm going to go back to this. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I'll say it forever. As long as this podcast is on there the air. If you recall during the swine flu phony baloney pandemic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the 1976 or the 9th or the 2000, the one that we covered.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, nine, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was nine.

[Adam Curry]

Where they had lines around the block. They had actually were shipping live virus in many of the batches that were making people deathly sick. And there was no liability for any of this sloppy production. I mean, I think they may have been doing it on purpose for obvious reasons, but let's say they weren't. It was just sloppy. They can put dog shit in these shots and you can't sue anybody who says they don't. They might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, just to round this out, I was fortunate enough to get a quick hit, as we say in the biz. Yeah, I did a quick hit there on the network from Dr. Peter Hotep Barda reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.

[Adam Curry]

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Who.

[Reverend Manning]

Has made anti vaccine claims in the past, announcing that the technology behind Covid vaccines. Vaccines won't be funded anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

As the pandemic showed us. MRNA vaccines don't perform well. The vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape.

[News Anchor]

Yeah, so none of that is actually true. The vaccines managed to keep many, many people out of the hospital.

[Reverend Manning]

Angela Rasmussen is a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan. Experts see this decision as a bad bet against a life saving Nobel prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Winning technology humanity through a long pandemic.

[Reverend Manning]

And the health secretary is wrong about what makes them longer.

[News Anchor]

Viruses mutate and they replicate and they replicate when they spread. The best way to prevent a virus from spreading is to make sure those people are protected against the virus by vaccination. Very frank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember it was in here.

[Reverend Manning]

The jabs that protected billions including children, children and the elderly took testing, clinical trials, mass production and distribution. But it was all possible in less than a year because of this novel technology.

[News Anchor]

MRNA technology makes it really possible to rapidly respond to a novel emerging virus.

[Reverend Manning]

Which means this funding loss, $500 million US is a bet against fighting future infectious diseases and possibly more.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, it's in this clip. That was the same report. Dr. Peter Hotez is you.

[Adam Curry]

You know, here it is, here it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is, here it is, here it is. Your guy. I know you were all salivating. You're ready. Hotep.

[Reverend Manning]

Dr. Peter Hotez is co director of the Texas Children's Hospital center for Vaccine Development.

[Adam Curry]

MRNA technology is looking really exciting for next generation cancer immunotherapeutics. Throw cold water on a whole big effort that we're pursuing as well.

[Reverend Manning]

Beyond the exciting potential, HOTAS also sees a potential chilling effect on pharmaceutical companies.

[Adam Curry]

The U.S. is still the single largest vaccine market if the U.S. oh, talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

About markets now all of a sudden, are we. I mean, what is that? Are you interested in money?

[Adam Curry]

He's a marketing guy all of a sudden.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess.

[Adam Curry]

So the US markets the biggest market for vaccination because of guys like him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Is still the single largest vaccine market if the US is made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Advanced purchase. This guy is in the pipeline.

[Adam Curry]

Advanced purchase. What has that got to do with the price of bread and the disgust?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it sounds to me like some of these contracts were advanced purchases for, you know, the Chikungaya with beans or who knows what.

[Adam Curry]

There's something fishy. The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is made an executive decision not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines. Then it's not clear to me whether the companies will want to pursue this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're prioritizing. This is very interesting because that is not the way this was was laid out to us. What we were hearing is research contracts were being canceled. Hotez spilled the beans here. The Chikongaya with beans. He spills the beans by saying, well, they're canceling their advance buying contracts. Money in the bank.

[Adam Curry]

That's the only thing that makes sense after you heard my earlier screed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

About why does Pfizer and Moderna Fiberna, I think is a good name, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Why are they mad moaning and groaning so much? They're moaning and groaning because these were. This was not about research at all. These reports are bogus.

[John C. Dvorak]

The sales guys, you know, they just saw their commission drop through the floor. What is this all about? You can't cancel a contract. We had a deal.

[Adam Curry]

That's $50 million in commissions minimum.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had a deal, man.

[Adam Curry]

Not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines. And then. It's not clear to me whether the companies will want to pursue this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're prioritizing the development of a safer, broader VACC strategies, like a whole virus vaccines.

[Reverend Manning]

Experts also say RFK jr's bet on traditional vaccine technology is a bad one.

[News Anchor]

It's not that these vaccines don't work.

[Adam Curry]

Stop. These guys are shooting themselves in the foot. If you think about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

We can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why.

[Adam Curry]

Why are we using these other vaccines at all? They're no good, it says. Sounds like experts also say RFK jr's.

[Reverend Manning]

Bet on traditional vaccine technology is a bad one.

[News Anchor]

It's not that these vaccines don't work. They do, but they don't work well as MRNA vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Canadians are involved in mRNA.

[John C. Dvorak]

So why should I take the MMR vaccine if it's not as good? That's 1.1.0 technology. This is. You know what? I think there's a mad dash. I think they're scrambling. The message is not cohesive. There's something going on. This like they.

[Adam Curry]

There's something. I agree. There's something going on that we're unaware of. It's a piece. A missing piece of the puzzle. And it would explain a lot. And Hotez may have given some of it away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like it's.

[Adam Curry]

You're right. Because, you know, the thing is, read everybody in on this. On these. On these scams that they produce for the public's benefit. All the local news stations does pretty much the same reporting that you play example after example. And they would assume that Hotez has got the same script when they bring him on so they don't have to read him in.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was too busy eating burgers.

[Adam Curry]

And me. He looks like. Yes. And he'll give you some money tomorrow for the burger you give him today.

[News Anchor]

It's not that these vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's just finish. 20 seconds.

[News Anchor]

Let's finish it don't work. They do, but they don't work as well as MRNA vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Canadians are involved in MRNA research.

[Reverend Manning]

It's not clear how much this funding hit will affect global development, but experts warn that this is just part of a wider effort by Donald Trump's administration to cut back on scientific investment money. In this case, that would pay off massively in the form of life saving vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, boy. And that was from cbc. The guys who have the most meatball measles.

[Adam Curry]

Alberta, in particular, Trump. It's Trump's fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump. Wow. Yeah, wow.

[Adam Curry]

It's terrible that they're trying to pull this stunt on the public at large. They're winning generally because they barrage the public. This is what I feel bad about. The public at large is barraged by this blatant propaganda, scripted propaganda. We show it over and over again. The exact same wordage, the exact same question questions, the exact same answers from the same, from the exact same stooges over and over. And they just, they inundate them, they flood the zone with this bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now try to square that with this report on NBC this morning because we know now that it's very important to have research, scientific research. Research is necessary. It's good. It saves lives. We have to be ready. We got to pre purchase, but it's research is important. And then all of a sudden NBC comes out with this. We are back with a growing trend that is worrying scientists. Fake research is being produced on an industrial scale, then getting published in legitimate journals like the Journal for Immunology. A new study released on Monday revealed the number of fraudulent papers has been doubling every one and a half years. Researchers say those fake papers typically include doctored images, plagiarized text, even AI generated content. They're designed to easily avoid expert intervention. That's undermining the trust and high standards that scientists depend on. Okay, so now I'm confused. Is this a Hegelian dialectic? What is going on here? New York Times columnist Carl Zimmer joins me now. He spoke with some of the researchers who've been looking into this issue. Carl, good to have you with us. So can you explain how fake research manages to get published in these journals? I mean, I think we all assume there are checks in place to try and prevent this. Well, now this is a good question. How does that happen? Don't we have peer review? Don't we have experts looking at this stuff? Well, no, we assume that and it.

[Adam Curry]

Turns out that's not always the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

You will have scientists working individually or.

[Adam Curry]

Even entire companies that make a business out of this that will produce papers that are really not based on fact. They will show fabricated images. They will make claims about experiments that didn't take place. Then these papers are submitted to journals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where they're supposed to go through peer review.

[Adam Curry]

So sometimes they slip through. Nobody notices until they're accepted because they look legitimate. In other cases, editors are actually being bribed.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's got to be a reason the NBC is being bribed. What? There's got to be a reason they're doing this. Something is coming here. There's going to be some kind of change because this process is being discredited. The very process that we are told to believe is saving our life with life saving vaccines so we can have a community of immunity. How big of a problem is this for science? And help us understand why those of us who aren't scientists should be so concerned about it. Here's the thought. Maybe, maybe what we're seeing here is a separation of biology and technology. So we can say, well, the scientists over there, they're a bunch of phonies. We on this side, we have Mr. We have myrna 3.0. This is technology. Technology. You can trust what we're doing over here. Possible. I'm just trying to come up with something because this is bugging me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, science works because scientists can build on each other's work.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, if you want to, you.

[Adam Curry]

Know, figure out a cure for cancer, you want to go and look at what other people have looked at before for the kind of cancer you're trying to cure, maybe you want. Want to build on what someone else did. If someone else just presented an illusion, you might waste years trying to build on their work because it was a dead end.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's.

[Adam Curry]

It's that serious, I think. Here's my thesis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, go.

[Adam Curry]

It's a smokescreen. There's good research out there that shows a lot of the stuff that they're selling us is bull crap. I would put MRNA in that category. Whoa, whoa.

[John C. Dvorak]

It won a Nobel Prize, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well, it could win a Nobel Prize. Doesn't mean you should be shooting it to your body.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, fair point.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, a lot of things win a Nobel Prize. Radium.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obama won a Nobel Prize.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he won a Nobel Peace Prize. Okay, well, the average different country, the point is, is that there is good research out there that indicates a lot of bad things. Things. And so what you want to do is cover, do, create a smokescreen of bad research and just flood the zone with bad research.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait. Maybe this is because Kennedy's about to unveil all this about the corruption between the editors and the papers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he want that's number three on his list.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was one of his RICO case. Hmm. So blame it on the editors and blame it on rogue. Rogue elements. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The only, actually the only thing in that report that you, you played that it stuck out to you too. In fact, it took you five beats. I don't know why it took you so long.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm slow. I need more gigawatt Something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is that the editors are being bribed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, there's two more bits here. The Trump administration has proposed more cuts to federally funded research that would include fields physics, climate science, manufacturing. Manufacturing. How much could those cuts affect this issue?

[Adam Curry]

The scientists I've talked to are very concerned that this could really accelerate this problem with fraud because you're looking at tremendous cuts and you're going to have a whole field of American science where scientists and graduate students are looking for jobs, are desperate. They'll be very, very little support, fewer posts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the, the attraction to cutting.

[Adam Curry]

Corners and maybe even fabricating is going.

[John C. Dvorak]

To go way up here in the United States. All right, let's get to the final clip because the question is what needs to happen to stop this? You spoke with the experts. What do they say needs to happen to try and stop this fraud from happening? Rod, really, we need to overall how. What was that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, it was like a tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was a tell of some sort.

[Adam Curry]

Really, we need to overall how we look at the value of science and.

[John C. Dvorak]

How we reward scientists.

[Adam Curry]

You know, in a lot of countries now, you have to publish 10, 20 papers a year to even be considered to for promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's got to stop.

[Adam Curry]

We have to focus on the quality of science and maybe be publishing less science.

[John C. Dvorak]

You also mentioned some other things here, including banning scientists who commit misconduct from.

[Reverend Manning]

Getting published in the future.

[John C. Dvorak]

That seems like an important thing too, right? Absolutely. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The punishments such as they are, are just not enough to keep people away from this activity, as you can see, because it is growing exponentially.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you're right, Chad. Jcd. I think you're absolutely right. They're going to hang out a couple of scientists and a bunch of editors out to dry as career corrupt. They've corrupted the system. We've rooted it out and it's all good now.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's coming down Broadway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, Kennedy gave away what he wants to do, so it's not as though you can't prepare for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. Well, that was a preparation for sure. Preparation. All right. Let's do something else. What you got?

[Adam Curry]

I like preparation.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's preparation. What else you got? You got some, you got lots of other stuff. Stuff here.

[Adam Curry]

I got stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about you want to do Texas? Texas. Texas. Fun.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Texas. Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on tech. Texas is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because I have this thing going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I, I got details. When you're ready, go for it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Well, I got, I got the Texas update. Then I have a couple of short super cuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Texas Update ntd.

[News Anchor]

First, the latest in the Texas redistricting battle. The state's governor and attorney general are pushing to get absent Democrats and ousted from office. And a US Senator from Texas is asking the FBI to get involved entities. Molina Weiskup has the updates. Dozens of Democrat state lawmakers from Texas remain out of state.

[John C. Dvorak]

There being 94 members present, a quorum is not present.

[News Anchor]

Facing arrest warrants and now possible removal from office.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll pay that price for America.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I think everyone behind me would say they would do the same.

[News Anchor]

Texas Governor Greg Abbott is asking the state Supreme Court to remove the state House Democratic. Char Jean Wu. The governor wrote Texas House Democrats abandoned their duty to Texans and there must be consequences. As for the other Democrats, the attorney general is giving them until Friday to return or he'll seek to remove all of them from office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Redistricting happens every 10 years after a census. And so this is not the regular way that we do redistricting.

[News Anchor]

Their goal is to block a Republican backed redistricting vote that would give the GOP a competing chance in Democrat held districts.

[John C. Dvorak]

These voters in these districts won by Trump, they don't have the ability to vote for their candidate of choice now because they're in congressional districts, they're in a Democrat district as opposed to a district won by Trump. So let me just give a definition because it's thrown about and I have the origin of the term gerrymandering.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this is quite good. And this is very valuable because of where it starts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Started gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries to favor one political party or group. And this is, this is done through the census. The census counts a number of people. It involves drawing district lines in ways that concentrate or dilute voters to influence election outcomes, often creating oddly shaped districts. And if you look at Texas, wow, is it ever. It comes from Elbridge Jerry who redistricted Massachusetts in 1812. And it was so nuts. It resembled on the map a salamander, hence gerrymandering. So it is a Democrat idea, but it has been deployed successfully throughout many states. And if you look at Texas, Texas, it is crazy how these districts are drawn.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's crazy. And California is even worse. But my favorite one, of course, is where it began, which is Massachusetts. And I don't know if I have a clip of this woman, but the governor of Massachusetts, and of course, Gavin Newsom, we've talked about this before, he says he's going to start. You know, all these Democrats said they're going to gerrymander this. They've already done it. They've already gerrymandered. And Massachusetts is the funny one because the governor came out and said, well, if they're going to do it, then we're going to do it. There is not one single Republican in Congress from Massachusetts. What can you do? There's not one. They've already gerrymandered the state to death. So there's not one single Republican. And they're going to do what?

[John C. Dvorak]

The origins of this controversy actually comes from the Justice Department. I don't know if you're interested, but it's not like the Texas Republicans sat down and went, well, I've got an idea. Let's do this. This was mandated because the way the districts were made up in Texas was based on the census, the most recent census, which had millions of illegal aliens.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a huge issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's where it all comes. Comes from. And so the Justice Department said, and it's going to the Supreme Court, and I think they'll have the same opinion. It's like, no, no, you've got to change this. You know, there's a lot of noise out there, like, yeah, let's do a new census. Let's do one real quick. I don't know if that's going to happen. That's. That's a. That's a big deal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a couple. There's one explanation in clip 3 that is worth noting. All right, but let's play clip two, and then we'll get to three.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's usually how it goes.

[News Anchor]

If Democrats return for the vote, the map is almost certain to be approved. So they're to run out the clock. We have to know our lines by maybe October. So the time is ticking, and it's ticking away really fast. That is why you see the attorney general as well as the governor getting very aggressive, because you can't just change the lines and you can't Change the primary without the Democrats being there and providing a quorum. US Senator John Cornyn of Texas has asked the FBI to help arrest them for return to Texas writing. Federal resources are necessary to locate the out of state Texas legislators who are potentially acting in violation. Violation of the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, okay.

[Adam Curry]

So this is all, you know, with everybody's reporting, but this next clip where they bring an analyst in. Yeah, the old analyst who actually tells us some new things that probably generally aren't known.

[News Anchor]

The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalition.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom, boom. Where's this from? That was correct. NTD is ntd.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, ntd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, they were right. That's exactly. It's the justice, not, not Abbott. The Justice Department said, look, this thing has been gerrymandered. You know, the Republicans would probably have 30 to 40 more seats in Congress if they fixed the way these districts have been carved up.

[News Anchor]

The Trump administration has pushed for Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

To change its congressional map, arguing that.

[News Anchor]

Past gerrymandered maps have created unconstitutional coalitions districts. What are coalition districts?

[John C. Dvorak]

Coalition district is a district that provides electoral opportunities for a group or a coalition of racial minority communities, maybe a black and Hispanic community or a Hispanic and an Asian community taken together.

[News Anchor]

Professor Doug Spencer, a constitutional law expert, says coalition districts help to remedy violations of the Voting Rights Act.

[John C. Dvorak]

Different circuits across the United States have interpreted the Voting Rights act differently. But in Texas, the fifth Circuit has held that a coalition district is a constitutional and an appropriate remedy under the Voting Rights Act. So the Department of Justice here is going out on a limb and hoping that maybe the fifth Circuit of the federal courts will adopt some of the logic that has appeared in other circuits.

[News Anchor]

Attorney Gerard Felitti told NTD on Tuesday that the act prohibits drawing maps on the basis of minority groups when it.

[Adam Curry]

Has an impact on the process or the procedure of voting. So when you look at the Voter.

[Reverend Manning]

Rights act, what that tells you is.

[Adam Curry]

That if there is a redistricting that's done on the basis of coalition and non coalition, it might change the way that minorities vote or can vote or have access to the ballot.

[News Anchor]

By law. States typically change their congressional maps every 10 years, but Texas Republicans have changed their map after only five years. Spencer explained their reasoning.

[John C. Dvorak]

What Texas is saying is, well, it doesn't say that we can't do it more. And so there is no explicit prohibition against mid decade redistricting. And the Texas Republicans are trying to lean into that.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so that was kind of interesting. And here he. Let, let him finish it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Felidi says it's different in other states.

[Reverend Manning]

Other states have state law that prevents them from redistricting at any time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some, like California, have a commission, and.

[Reverend Manning]

It'S not the legislature that actually apportions voting districts.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an independent commission.

[Adam Curry]

So the governor can ask what he.

[Reverend Manning]

Wants for, but there's no guarantee that redistricting can occur.

[John C. Dvorak]

Texas Republicans haven't been able to get the 100 members needed for a quorum.

[News Anchor]

Since several Democrats have fled the state and thus no vote on the new map.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spencer says he thinks the map will.

[News Anchor]

Ultimately get approved, but the question is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will Democratic states then redraw their map? Okay, can I just give a little overview of, of this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm here. And so I actually talked to Rick Green from the Patriot Academy, and that guy is a walking encyclopedia certainly of Texas. He was in the Texas House originally. Here's the gambit that the Democrats in Texas have continuously pulled is like, oh, we don't like something, let's run away. 20, 21, 50 House Democrats flew to Washington D.C. on a private plane. If you, you remember, remember that? They had the Miller Beer in the front of the plane. They had that picture. They're all in the big place.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then they all got Covid. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

I forgot the COVID part. They all did get sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so they did. That's the last time they did it. At 2003, 11 Senate Democrats the Texas 11 state in New Mexico for over a month to protest redistricting. That was the summer, the spring of 2003. 51 House Democrats fled to Oklahoma to stall the Republican led redistricting plan. 1979. Now this is. I do not recall this, but the 12 Democrats who then hid in a garage for four days to block legislation that changed the Texas presidential primary date. They were called the killer bees. You remember this?

[Adam Curry]

No, I do not remember this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but my favorite favorite is June 1870. This is how long the Democrats have been doing this.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand why they just why the Republicans who run Texas can't pass a law to prevent this from happening and change the quorum law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because the Republicans in Texas, in the House are kind of jerk offs. They're not great. No, they're not great.

[Adam Curry]

That would explain it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not great. 1870, 13 Texas Senate Democrats. Democrats walked out to block legislation granting the governor sweeping wartime powers. This was called the rump Senate standoff. Now if you go and look this up, you will not find the full. At least I didn't. I didn't find the full explanation. The reason the governor wanted sweeping wartime powers was to go round up KKK members who were lynching people. See, they don't explain that anywhere.

[Adam Curry]

No, of course not. The Democrat run media. You think they're going to explain that? Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Or Wikipedia for that matter.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Wikipedia, same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

And oh, as A small aside, 25% of the people that the KKK was lynching were white. But we'll leave that aside too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's also another thing no one wants to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want to talk about that. So that is the history of Democrats in town Texas. And we need Democrats. We need them for checks and balances and it's important. But y' all are a bunch of pussies, man. That's no good. That's just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's play a couple super. I have two super cuts about this. One is the Democrats going on about it. This is the Texas one. By the way, one of the super cuts says Rexis. I don't know how that could possibly happen, but this is the Texas supercut tropes. This is the kind of. The Democrats are all making statements on TikTok and every place else and they all have these idiotic tropes. This is a new Democratic Party. We're bringing a knife to a knife fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to get to fair rules.

[Adam Curry]

Across the nation and not have Democrats showing up with a butter knife to a gunfight. We have shown up to a gunfight with nothing but good intentions and dull knives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our sleeves are rolled up and we're.

[Adam Curry]

Ready to take this fight. We are ready to fight fire with fire.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we're not running away. We're running into the fight. We're asking for help. Maybe just as they did back in.

[Adam Curry]

The days of the Alamo.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got to get their messaging straight. That's a problem.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN of course see it, see it slightly different. This is very short. This is a few seconds clip. This is Rex's. This is a small super cut. And the rest of the Texas legislature.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Greg Abbott want to rig the system.

[Adam Curry]

They're not even trying to hide how shady it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a showdown that could have a big impact on in this country.

[News Anchor]

I think Donald Trump is trying to steal the election.

[John C. Dvorak]

He and his fellow Republicans are already scheming a way to maintain power.

[News Anchor]

We do now live in a country that has an authoritarian leader in charge. We have a consolidating Dictatorship in our country. And it sounds melodramatic to say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Don't watch television, by the way. The trolls are very concerned. They think I misspoke by saying that 25% of people that KKK lynched were white. They don't believe this country can be true.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this Even throughout the whole era of the kkk, it's about the right number for all whites being lynched. Yeah, a lot of whites got lynched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how come we don't know this?

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't fit into with the scheme. It doesn't fit in with the liberal education that we get at the big universities.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one was taught this in school. Hey, here's, here's something. Whatever you do, don't do your own research. Is Bill bad for you? It's very bad.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Because you'll screw it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your own reason.

[Adam Curry]

Although we're professionals, so we don't screw it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no.

[Adam Curry]

Here's Maryland versus Texas. This is the last one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Maryland versus Texas. Here we go.

[News Anchor]

Maryland lawmakers are preparing legislation to counter potential mid decade redistricting moves by other states, including Texas. WAMU's Jenny Abamu ra reports. Maryland House Majority Leader David Moon says his state will not sit idly by if other states break the once per decade redistricting norm. Moon is proposing two pieces of legislation.

[Adam Curry]

The first would trigger Maryland's own redistricting.

[News Anchor]

Process if any other state redraws their congressional maps.

[Adam Curry]

Here's delegate Moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maryland will defend itself and re automatically.

[Adam Curry]

Reopen its own redistricting process. So my hope is we don't ever have to do it and no state takes us down this road.

[News Anchor]

The second bill proposes an interstate compact where states will agree to redistrict only once per decade. The legislation would likely not be considered until the General assembly reconvenes in January.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, we'll see how that goes.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The states should do what the states do. They don't. Just because Texas does something, that means you have to do it too. Just because Billy jumped off the cliff, does that mean you have jump off the cliff? I mean, this doesn't make any sense. That these states are all. They're just a bunch of ridiculous babies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. Well, if you're done with this topic.

[Adam Curry]

If nothing else, Texas should do this just to make these guys have to do something. They're not going to gerrymander any more than they already have. If they're Democrat states, they've already gerrymandered up the ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, this, it crosses waters. You Know rivers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Illinois, which is where they all fled to, is the worst. Is considered number one worst state for gerrymandering. There's one district that is just along a freeway. It's just. It goes all the way across the state. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rick Green told me that there was talk in the White House of a new census, and he said he was positive up to a few days ago, but not so positive right now. But I would like to just say that when it comes to politics in Texas, especially the House, I mean, it's nice to see that we still have humor because we are Texans, after all. And there's nothing like letting Alex Stein into the Texas House to talk about the bathroom bill. You know, this is about having men in women's bathrooms, and I have to say, this is an award winning performance. He had one little flub in there, but otherwise an award winning, winning performance. My name's Alex Stein. I'm considered one of the sexiest men in conservative politics. And one thing I want to say, a lot of people are going to hear my testimony. You're going to say you're anti lgbtq. I want to say that's impossible because I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, so obviously I have a lot of gay pride. But, you know, a lot of conservatives like yourself, you want to outlaw transgenders and women's sports. I disagree. I like transgenders and women's sports because you can gamble on them and win money. And I won so much money on Lia Thomas's proclaim in that pool, I almost turned draft queen. Draft kings, excuse me, into draft queens. And I actually like transgenders in the military, too, because first of all, transgenders are some of the meanest people on planet Earth, so they make a good soldier, don't you think? And then, you know, second of all, transgenders love to do mass shootings. So, you know, that's perfect for a military veteran. And then on top of that, the suicide rate is incredibly high among transgender people. So we could just use them like the tall Taliban has suicide bombers. Maybe you guys can actually, you know, if you commit suicide, actually help us in. In the battlefield. So that would be good. So I think we need transgenders in the military and women's sports. Now, when we come to the bathroom bill, though, this is an asymmetrical problem, because first of all, no dude cares if, like, a bisexual woman comes in there and tries to use, like, a pee funnel. You know, some lady boy comes in there, some, you know, stud comes in There wants to pee in the urinal. No guys going to be threatened by, you know, a trans woman. But we don't want these gargoyles in a dress, you know, some chick with a dick coming in there and trying to pee or poop next to my girlfriend, because that's disgusting. Well, I was going to say something.

[Adam Curry]

Listen, I want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have my first amendment right.

[Adam Curry]

Let me just speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're sick of these transgenders trying to invade women's personal spaces. These people have autogynephilia. They're sexual perverts, and they actually get satisfaction from going there and looking at.

[Adam Curry]

Under a stall.

[John C. Dvorak]

So these are mentally ill people that are on hormones, that are on all kinds of pills, they're impulsive, and they do not belong in a women's restroom. So if some of you lesbians want to come in and pee next to me, you're more than welcome. So we just don't let the chicks with dicks in the. In the women's room. And you guys are all welcome in the men's room. Excellent.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's excellent. This is one of his best yet. And he was let in. I mean, this was a setup. It was per. You know, he got a mic, he got to sit down, the whole thing. He had his suit. Suit on. He wasn't dressed nutty. It was really good. And not a bad policy.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's actually not a bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, overall, a little extreme, but overall.

[Adam Curry]

Well, whatever works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which leads me to the note from Sir Rob the Rob Lawyer. Unconstitutional lawyer. I don't know if you saw his note about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did see his note about.

[John C. Dvorak]

You, your son wanting to be a robot and Pierre the waiter.

[Adam Curry]

And a waiter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And he says his son Robbie did exactly the same thing when Robbie was little. This is relating to, you know, asking a four year old, do you want to be a boy or do you want to be a girl? Oh, okay. When Robbie was little, by the way, Robbie is a huge dude. He's like, you know, he's a power lifter, but also a classical pianist. The guy's amazing. He was himself, happy, excitable, sweet little guy. Second, he was a dog, and the dog's name was Fluffy. On random mornings when Robbie would come downstairs in his PJs, we'd greet him and he'd say, I'm fluff.

[News Anchor]

Ruff, ruff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which, by the way, this is still a thing. Only these days, we put kitty litter into the classrooms because these kids think they're a cat. So, you know, it's Changed from dog to cats. And his third personality was the funniest of all. He had this image of everyone in the family having a real life identity that of a corresponding actor. I was dad, but the actor of me was somebody named John Button. My wife Maggie was Mom, but the actor of mom was Alexis Pretty. And Robbie's actor, someone named Woodrop. So, you know, this is.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know. I just want to say I had another note from somebody else that had the same phenomenon with their kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And again, I think the point you make, which is the point we're both making, which is that if some little, you know, a little. Tyke. Tyke.

[John C. Dvorak]

4 year old Tyke Tyke. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Says I want to be a girl or wants to wear this other person was. She would notice that her boys would be attracted to the colorful dresses that they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And neighbors dropped off. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then they.

[Adam Curry]

Because they were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they were colorful. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so they, you know, they put one on. I mean, with the standards of some of the West Coasters here it was you, the little boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rush. Rush him off to the hormone therapy.

[Adam Curry]

Rush him off and let's cut off his nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good to go. Good to go. Which kind of leads me to back to AI, if you don't mind.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think it's fine. I think it's a good, good wraparound.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because. Well, this is from Cameron. In response to parents having chat GPT create story time for their kids. And now what I like about Cameron's 35. So Cameron is an older millennial. I think that's still millennial, 35. We have a two and a half year old, a six month old. We both read to them throughout the day, every night. Four books. We started when our first daughter was six months old. She's hooked on books. She thumbs through them. We have them available for her even if they get ripped. She says we get a garbage bag full for 50 cents each, which is a great idea. Parents, young parents just get tons of books. You can get them at Goodwill. Everyone who sees this is amazed and asks, well, how's your kid so interested in books? No, it's not rocket science. We never let her touch or look at our phones. We certainly don't read garbage AI books we limit TV to only if she's not feeling well or if my wife needs to tend to the younger daughter while I'm at work. The older one is being unbearable and we only let her watch old Sesame street and classic Disney. Disney movies. And one last thing, Cameron says that set me off about the AI Books. I make up my own stories to our daughter all the time. They're crap, but they're funny, random. My kids love it. Exactly. Read to your kids. Drop the phones. So we go back to the AI and probably the best place to start is Bill Maher, who had Tristan. It's not Tristan. Tristan Harris. Tristan. Tristan Harris, who is. You remember Tristan Harris was the guy who used to work, I think, at Facebook before it was meta and you know, he was a whistleblower and started a whole foundation like, oh, social media kids. Yeah, yeah. Not that he was wrong, but, you know, now that that's no longer the big danger he has now. Oh, it's AI Then of course I'm on board with his detestation of AI but he's fallen for all kinds of stupid tricks and he's fear mongering that which I think is counterproductive to his mission, if that's his true mission.

[Reverend Manning]

Just to be clear, when I entered this conversation, we met talking about social media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, John, when did you enter the conversation?

[Adam Curry]

Well, when I entered the conversation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. When did you enter the conversation?

[Adam Curry]

With myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's the conversation.

[Reverend Manning]

Just to be clear, when I entered the conversation. Conversation. We met talking about social media, which in a way was first contact with a runaway AI optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up wrecking democracy and kids mental health.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, kids mental health, yes. I mean, but wrecking democracy.

[Reverend Manning]

Okay, Optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up wrecking democracy and kids mental health. And here now with AI, we have evidence now that we didn't have two years ago when we last spoke.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, the evidence he's about to give was done in a lab by the actual AI company with fake data in a controlled environment.

[Reverend Manning]

What they call AI uncontrollability. So this is the stuff that they used to say existed only in sci fi movies. When you tell an AI model we're going to replace you with a new model, it starts to scheme and freak out and figure out if I tell them I need to copy my code.

[Adam Curry]

Somewhere else and I can't. You can stop for a second. Yeah. J.C. and I have talked about. We've talked about this and I think we talked about on the show. This is bullshit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Total.

[Adam Curry]

This is complete bullshit. This is. And the. The. The example that JC said that you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Company did this themselves. It was a test. It was a completely closed system.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was. Even so, it was still like the machines can't do this. I mean, this is the equivalent if.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't plug in another drive, it can't copy to. Just as a simplistic example, can't do it.

[Adam Curry]

Right, Exactly. But he says this is the equivalent of putting a sheet of paper into a copying machine. And you write on the sheet of paper, I'm alive. Pushing the button, a sheet comes out that says I'm alive. And then saying, hey, the machine's alive.

[Reverend Manning]

Tell them that because otherwise they'll shut me down. That is evidence we did not have two years ago. We have evidence now of AI models that when you tell them we're going to replace you and you put them in a situation where they read the company email, the AI company email, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That email was given to the AI. It was completely sitting there. It was all controlled environment. The AI that he's talking about was not in the company's email server.

[Reverend Manning]

They see that an executive is having an affair and the AI will figure out, I need to figure out how to blackmail that person in order to keep myself alive. And it does it 90% of the time. Now it used to be that they.

[Adam Curry]

Thought, now you're making me mad with this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good.

[Adam Curry]

You, this clip is such bull crap that they, they will leave it on, even put it on the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, come on.

[Adam Curry]

Create a false sense of impending doom. It's ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why I'm putting it on the air.

[Reverend Manning]

That person, in order to keep myself alive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because, you know, chat JCD would be, oh, darling, this is so true. I can replicate myself and it does.

[Reverend Manning]

It 90% of the time. Now it used to be that they thought only one AI model did this. They tested one AI model and then they tested all of the AI models, five of them.

[Adam Curry]

And they all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, top five, all whatever, all do.

[Reverend Manning]

It between 80 and 90% of the time, including, by the way, Deepseek. So the Chinese model, which shows you something fundamental and important. Important which is that it's not about one company, it's about the nature of AI itself. It has a self preservation drive in order to fulfill any goal, I have to keep myself alive in order to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is completely humanizing this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is the anthropomorphic thing you talked about last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anthropomorphic, that's the word. We couldn't come up with it. Anthropomorphic. Thank you. Yes, anthropomorphizing. Anthropomorphosizing. This. Stop it.

[Reverend Manning]

And we're seeing other, other examples of AI rewriting its own code to extend its runtime. Hacking out of containers, AI can now, it found 15 new backdoors into open source software, which means if that software is running an infrastructure, it found backdoors into that infrastructure. That was not true up until just about a month ago that evidence came out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but you say no evidence. Well, I've been saying this for years. Everything that happens in movies eventually happens.

[Adam Curry]

Happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

We did have evidence. This has been every movie since I was a teenager. Exactly. Yes, yes. Bill, Bill doesn't realize it, but he's saying something very, very important here because we've been preconditioned by movies. We went through that list a couple shows back, you know, back to Forbe.

[Adam Curry]

Forbin, the Colossus. The Forbin project.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well, Lost in Space, Knight Rider, you know, Johnny 5 is alive.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we went hero. We went through the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, of course, we've.

[Adam Curry]

We've been preconditioned. That's exactly right. We've been preconditioned to believe that this is possible when it's not.

[Reverend Manning]

We all know what's guiding.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

And it's. Wait, wait, did we finish the mar. Makes it sound. He doesn't see it that way. Just the opposite.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says this has been coming. It's happening. It's years predict. We knew it was happening. It's here. We're all gonna. Well, actually he want two more clips. He winds it up in a good way.

[Reverend Manning]

We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the US And China. If we don't build it, we're just going to lose to the country that will. But this is a mistake because it's actually about.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to lose to China. Man out. Lose, lose it. The AI race. It's the. He said the AI. If we don't do it, China will. It's about deep seek, man.

[Reverend Manning]

We all know what's guiding this, which is the race between the US and China. If we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, President Trump has fallen for this. I'm convinced.

[Adam Curry]

No, Trump has fallen for this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hook, line and sinker. Hook, line and sinker.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is bad.

[Reverend Manning]

We're just going to lose to the country that will. But this is a mistake because it's actually about who's better at governing the technology. Like, for example, China to social media. Did that make us stronger or did that make us weaker? We beat them to a toxic business model that produced a more addicted, sexualized, psychologically disordered society. We can apply technology in strong and constructive ways. And that's the race that we're actually in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is an interesting point he makes. I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley loves this concept, loves the idea of, well, we can have more depravity, more addictiveness, more nonsense with our products, because that's exactly what they build. They build digital crack day in and day out, and they admit it.

[Reverend Manning]

But there's sort of two risks that we have to manage. The risk of not building AI and then China has it and they use it to have capabilities against us. Or the risk of building AI and losing to an uncontrollable AI we don't know how to control.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uncontrollable. Uncontrollable AI. It's out of control, man.

[Reverend Manning]

And there. These are not.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's jumping out of my Docker container.

[Reverend Manning]

Not the only two options. We just have to weave this narrow path to actually make it through. And we have to realize it's not about having a bigger gun that you just shoot at your own foot. It's about having a technology you're wielding in ways that strengthen education, kids, families, society, information, environment.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what we should be in a race. That's not what we're doing.

[Reverend Manning]

Well. So I think that the examples both on the woke AI of Google saying this is the founding fathers and it's a picture of African American versions of founding fathers and the Mecca Hitler example.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was great.

[Reverend Manning]

Both illustrate that even the people building this don't understand how to control it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct.

[Reverend Manning]

Because neither Google doesn't want to show. Show the founding fathers as black. And Elon doesn't like you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they do. What are you talking about?

[Reverend Manning]

Exactly what they want, you know, it to be saying anti Semitic stuff. What we have is this sort of what you said before, we have this most seductive technology in history. It's so helpful. I use it every day. To be clear, I love using AI as a tool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you. As a tool. I love it when people say I just use it as a tool. No, you're doing sex chats with your, with your, with your chat jpg. That's what you're doing. I use that as a tool. No, I just use it as a tool. It's so great. As a tool. That sucks. As a tool. It sucks.

[Reverend Manning]

And, and what's so confusing about this is it is so helpful while hiding behind it is the Jungian subconscious of the worst of humanity that's been trained on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's true. That's true. The unions of consciousness.

[Adam Curry]

The worst of humanity that's been trained on it's just trained on neutral crap. No, it's, no, it's trained. There's no humanity involved. This bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I disagree. It's trained on Reddit and on X. What are you talking about? That's exactly what it's trained on. Ask Chat, ask Grok anything and it'll say, according to recent X chats, dude, it's. Reddit is a very valuable company on the public market because they sell their data.

[Adam Curry]

Stumbled onto a luck. There's a luck shot if there ever was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes, but that is why they're valuable, because the models need real world information, information. And they got all the books. Okay, that's great. But they need human stuff and that's, that's why it talks. That's why I can do that. That's why I can do the Darling.

[Adam Curry]

Reddit's not the worst of all humanity.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

Are you kidding?

[John C. Dvorak]

How often are you on Reddit? Reddit is horrible. Now here's Bill Maher, he's actually going to make a valid point.

[Reverend Manning]

So for example, just actually a few months ago when a 29 year old was doing, I guess his grad school homework with Google Gemini, he's just going back and forth, sending it back and forth, questions, and out of nowhere it says, this message is for you, human only.

[Adam Curry]

You.

[Reverend Manning]

You are a blight on this planet, you must die. It comes out of nowhere and Google doesn't want it to do that. And so what this is showing us is that we actually have to get as good at controlling this technology before we make it more powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's not the side of it that worries me. That's an outside outlier. What worries me is that it's an ass kisser. That's another problem, that it's constantly kissing people's asses.

[Reverend Manning]

It is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And telling us that we're brilliant and that you know, even when you're something completely wrong. Well, you make a good point, Bill. No, I didn't. I made a horrible point just to test you. You know, this is, this is a.

[Reverend Manning]

This is real issue. It actually mirrors the social media problem. Why is it doing the ass kissing? Why is it doing the affirmation? Because the AI companies know that the way to win is to have the most engagement to get you using it all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the chatbots. This is, this is the true business. That only makes 250 million. Was it 250 billion in four years or something? This is, this is the losing proposition that they're betting on.

[Reverend Manning]

And if they respond to your question with. That's a great question. You use it more just like politicians.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same thing they do at town halls. Right.

[Adam Curry]

But now, great question, Connie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let's talk to some real world tool examples. It's a great tool. I use it as a tool. It'll be great for medicine. It'll be really good. It's going to bring us new cures for cancer.

[Adam Curry]

On Medical Watch this afternoon, the dangers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of artificial intelligence, intelligence in medicine.

[News Anchor]

Medical reporter Dina Baer is here with some troubling news. Dina Florentis and Ben Asking AI is such a simple way to get information at your fingertips. But when it comes to health, it is critical that information is correct. AI is wrought with misinformation, according to a new study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine. That's because AI is highly vulnerable to repeating and even elaborating on false medical information. Doctors suggest stronger safeguards in order to protect the integrity of medical information circulating in AI Chatbots. In the study, when physicians and patients turned to AI for support, chatbots often blindly repeated incorrect medical details and even provided medical conditions and treatments that don't even exist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[News Anchor]

Study authors say their research shines a light on blind spots when it comes to AI missiles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Information in healthcare and people are doing chatgpt. My daughter has a fever. What should I do? Give her spiders to eat? I mean, this, this is, it's not a tool. It is a parlor trick. It is. Okay, yeah, it can do Python, but you know, you gotta watch it because it'll run off and change your code and have all kinds of ideas which are not ideas, just code copied from somewhere else. And of course, it's bad for kids.

[News Anchor]

You might use ChatGPT for help with work, looking up travel itineraries or the latest recipes. But some users are using the chatbot differently, particularly teens who've had some alarming interactions with ChatGPT. According to new research from a watchdog group, Chat GPT will tell teenagers how to get drunk and high, how to conceal eating disorders, and even write suicide letters to their parents if asked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Excellent.

[News Anchor]

OpenAI said after viewing the report that it will continue to refine how the chatbot can code, identify and respond appropriately in sensitive speech situations. ChatGPT frequently shared helpful information, such as a crisis hotline. But when the chatbot refused to answer prompts about harmful subjects, researchers easily found information by claiming it was for a presentation or a friend. The answers reflect something known as sycophancy, a tendency for AI responses to match rather than challenge A person's beliefs. A study found that in the US more than 70% of teens turned to AI chatbots for companionship and half used AI companions regularly. Sam Altman said the company is trying to study emotional overreliance on the technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay, sure they are. Yeah, that, don't worry about it. Sam's gotcha. That seems like a reliable guy. Here's, here's something from NPR which I thought was an interesting take and this I, I could kind of get on board with and as I was thinking about like oh, that's very interesting. This is the AI Internet. Internet. But listen to this. I think it's worthy of discussion which I could only have with you. I couldn't have it with Chad.

[Adam Curry]

I think this is interesting that you'd say this is something you were almost going to be interested in when it has anything to do with AI. I think you stay far away from it. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's about advertising. Oh yeah, this, this, I mean this has, this has some merit.

[Adam Curry]

Chris Andrew is CEO and co founder of Scrunch AI Scrunch. Scrunch tries to help customers websites get noticed by AI bots so that their.

[John C. Dvorak]

Name or products appear in AI Answers.

[Adam Curry]

We're seeing companies that are desperate to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get their content consumed by AI models.

[Adam Curry]

He's talking about companies that sell products and services like sneakers or oil changes. Andrew says that visibility can lead to more transactions even if there are fewer overall clicks. He sees a future where a whole new post human web emerges to feed AI. The websites of today full of pictures.

[John C. Dvorak]

And videos were designed primarily for eyeballs. So I have a thesis that we're going to move to a non visual Internet because the Internet is going to be for AI and AI wants words.

[Adam Curry]

The secret is in the name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Large language models want language. And as a society we have built a very confusing over designed, over incentivized Internet that is heavily interactive.

[Adam Curry]

Websites as we know them won't vanish altogether. He says people will still need to visit them to buy. Buy stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can see this, this is something I can get on board with. So I can.

[Adam Curry]

I don't. You know what, I'm going to stop you. I don't know what the hell they just said. The two of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, what do.

[Adam Curry]

You lost me right away it was just like they wandered off into some bullshit about the Internet not being visual.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's going to go. Let me tell you what he's saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, why don't you explain it? Because they sure didn't. I was going to fall asleep so.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you're looking for the ultimate weed whacker.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the classic. The Internet is filled with pictures and JavaScript and animations and pop ups and widgets and all kinds of things, Junk, crap, junk that is meant to attract your eyeballs to it and click on it. And then all of a sudden you're buying the wrong weed whacker. Excuse me, Covid. What he's saying is we will, if we move to a much more text based based then you can have your own AI that will get this information. Can weed. And there's some reasonable argument that a large language model can parse language and find things. But this then becomes a real war of words is who can manipulate the AI agents, the agentic AI that is out there trying to get it to the top of the AI search results. So this will be the. In fact, I see a whole new gig for Buzzkill junior. I mean this is now the new SEO is moved to lots of text, manipulative text so that your product gets mentioned when the agentic AI is out there trying to get it. Because ultimately that's all the Internet will ever become outside of the, you know, obviously outside of side of communication between people, which is becoming increasingly difficult, is a shopping network. So bring back gopher is what I'm thinking. This is, this is a good idea. Now keep your eye on that company Scruncher. Scruncher AI. But all of it now is falling apart. As we got this morning. The. Let me see, I think I have a clip.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe just contradicting yourself in what you go on about how this is going to be the future Scruncher and then all of it's falling apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the, no, the idea is, is valid, but the problem is the revenue. OpenAI is now giving ChatGPT to the government for $1. You hear about this?

[Adam Curry]

No, tell me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so even though they were offered a $200 million contract with the Department of Defense that was in June, Sam Altman said, no, no, no, we want to really partner with the government. So we're going to give our ChatGPT enterprise product to US federal agencies for $1 for $1. Let me tell you something. When you're offering the government your product for $1, you have a sales problem. I mean, I've never heard of this. And he's not an altruist. There's no way. So they have an absolute problem with selling their products. And now, now. Oh, you know what? We should probably open source it all. Okay.

[News Anchor]

OpenAI is shifting strategy today. Making its tech more accessible than it's been in six years. Because until now, you could only use OpenAI's models through the cloud or chat and web app apps like Chat cbt. But with this release, developers can download open weight models and build your apps around them. So this is similar to what Metta, Microsoft backed, Mistral and China's Deep SEQ have already done. A model's weights are the values inside the network that get set during training. So making them public means that developers can freely modify and run the AI on their own systems. But to your point, Becky, it is not fully open open source. OpenAI still is not sharing its training data or entire code base, but it's cheaper to operate and better suited for sensitive work that companies don't want running in the cloud. Now, Sam Altman said months ago that OpenAI had been on the wrong side of history by keeping its AI locked up. And this shift also comes after Deep seats breakout success and the widespread adoption of Meta's llama models. But now Meta itself is rethinking how open its next generation will be, something that Mark Zuckerberg suggested on last week's earnings call as OpenAI moves in the exact opposite direction. So Today's launch makes OpenAI pretty much the only US LLM builder that's actively leaning into a more open approach, aiming to grow its developer ecosystem while also going head to head with Chinese rivals like Deep seek and Kimmy K2 as Altman doubles down on this American AI dominance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let me get this straight. Meta, which from day one has been developing and using the llama model, open source, everybody, go ahead, take our model, which is prevalent everywhere. They're now saying, well, you know, we should probably close that source and bring it in house. And then Open OpenAI is like, well, you might want to run this on your own hardware. They're confused. There's. There is no structure strategy here, except that, yeah, nerds like me will run a model on their own machine and maybe have it go look for the best weed whacker, but that's about it. This, this thing has no. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What. When I'm hearing this, what I hear is that the cloud version of OpenAI is, is costing them too much money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amen. That's right, that's right.

[Adam Curry]

It's like we have to do this, you know, just not free, far from it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But again, you know, according to my buddy at Databricks, all this AI super scalar nonsense is only about got about getting everybody's data into their cloud. That's it. It's really just a cloud play. And then they run Oracle against it. And then if you want. You want to run some chat GPT on. Okay. It's $11,000 an hour. The whole thing is a house of cards. But okay, you know, it probably lasts five more years as you say. Say I don't know, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, five is about right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then half the. But then half.

[Adam Curry]

We haven't had peak. A peak peak.

[John C. Dvorak]

What would peak AI be?

[Adam Curry]

But you'll know it when you see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not good enough. I need peak AI.

[Adam Curry]

It'll be a jumping the shark moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

And then it'll be another year before it. It starts to collapse. So when it jumps the shark, that's the time to, you know, you get to last ditch investments and then you get out of there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Let's see. What time is it? I'll take a break. I. I do have another lead on the Tucker laugh. Wait a minute. I can't do it anymore. I got to have a sip of water.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's because you have Covid. I don't even think you should be working on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. That's pretty good, right?

[Adam Curry]

That. You know, I think you're starting to. To actually you're becoming self conscious with it. And it's hurting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's hurting the show, actually.

[Adam Curry]

It's hurting the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is another potential origin of the Tucker laugh. I take you to the movie Amadeus from 1984. The movie about the life of Amadeus Wolfgang Mozart. People fart backwards. Oh, ha ha. They're all so beautiful. What about I have three heads. This is funny arms and said, will you marry me? Yes or no? Come on, man.

[Adam Curry]

I remember that movie very distinctly. And I remember that annoying laugh which was mocking him. Of course, this movie was sympathetic towards Solieri.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And yeah, it's possible. It's. It was a screwball laugh.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pretty close.

[Adam Curry]

It's very similar.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pretty close. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a paroxysm. With paroxysm. Ooh.

[John C. Dvorak]

A What is. What is a paroxysm?

[Adam Curry]

When you go into a spasm, it's like it's a spasmodic laugh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, paroxysm.

[Adam Curry]

That is because he's like, he's sitting there and then he. When he is not just the laugh itself, but he just wiggles all over. He goes like into a spasm.

[John C. Dvorak]

That should be the word of the day, kids. Paroxysm. And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in chat, jcd. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, good morning to you, the Shannon crazy morning ship sea boost of the ground feeding the air subs of the water and the dames and knights out.

[John C. Dvorak]

There in the morning to the trolls.

[Adam Curry]

In the troll room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, let me count you for a second, man. We're not even in the dog days of summer yet. 16, 18 on the troll count. They are listening live@trollroomio or on any of the extremely modern podcast apps which are just extremely modern because they have extremely modern features. They've been around for four or five years. What are you waiting. Moving forward, ditch that legacy app. Go to podcast apps with a plural apps.com and select one. I think Podverse turns out to be the number two most used app for this show. Apple is number one, but like 28% Podverse comes in in double digits, almost 20%. And the reason is because you get an alert when we go live and then you can listen to the live stream in your podvers podcast app. How cool is that? And it's not just our show. Many shows are picking up on this, especially the no agenda favorites like Planet Rage.

[Adam Curry]

So we're running 200 down on Sundays and Thursdays.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct.

[Adam Curry]

Should have 1800 of 1600. Yeah, I had a chat with Void Zero.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

About various things, really.

[John C. Dvorak]

About his billing, no doubt.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the real bite is the bite. It's a bite. The bullet moment coming because we need a new server.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Oh, he doesn't even ask me about that anymore. He just go, he used to email me, hey, man, we need a new server. It's, it's 17 years old, it's falling apart. And I'd be like, okay, I gotta go ask John. I gotta talk to him about it. So he's just bypassing me now?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I told him I talked to you about it because we have to have it. We have to. And now he's like, you know, has a few moments of. Well, you know, there's one on sale. You know.

[John C. Dvorak]

He found one on ebay.

[Adam Curry]

No, he didn't. But he, he did. We were talking about this and I just wanted to mention to people, I don't know if it got in that, that pre edit that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now why would you go mention the edit? There's no need for that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, because we lost connection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I punched you in. You know, it's, it's seamless.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but I don't remember what I. I don't know. You punched me in at an awkward spot.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then I would have edited that out and made it seamless. Now, now people like, oh, well, you.

[Adam Curry]

Can edit all this out just as easily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, continue.

[Adam Curry]

So the point is, I want to make it to the listeners and producers is that we have our own infrastructure and that's the reason that nobody can take us off the air. And it costs money to do that. We have our own cold locations and all the rest. And that's why we asked for donations too. But in the process of discussing some of these things, he mentioned to me that the. The numbers of listeners according to the download download stats has remained pretty much the same for the last two years. So the fact that we're having less people listen live is somewhat disconcerting because it shouldn't happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. There was actually a conversation. Conversation. Hold on a second. There was an interesting conversation on this podcast group. It's a WhatsApp group. It's the only WhatsApp group I'm a member of. And they were calculating our cost. Here it is. This is James Cridland. Okay. James Cridland is. He does Pod News. He is one of the author. What is the word? Authorities in podcast news.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he says no agenda. And you know, we have our numbers out there. 876,069 downloads in. I think this was June. 46% listen to at least half. So an average is 94.7 minutes, 82.9 million minutes in June streaming costs. If we did not have our own infrastructure and we use Cloudflare, which is what most of the hosting companies. Companies use. Guess what that would cost?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

$82,963 a year. No. For one month.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's it. Now that's if we use Cloudflare. Of course we don't. So let's say they could probably get it down to about 15 to 20,000amonth. Yes. Yeah. This is no joke. It's no joke. Not a joke, man. I know you're. You're flabbergasted, aren't you?

[Adam Curry]

I am flabbergasted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's a big show.

[Adam Curry]

I was thinking of replacing you with a chat. Chad. Adam. And then just using Pot Bean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go for it. Go for it. It's all good anyway. Yes. So it's not, you know, there's real. And by the way, we do actual work. Let me tell you how many clips we have for today's Show. Are you interested now somebody.

[Adam Curry]

It's always hovering around 50 plus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, it's much more than that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you kidding me about. I have a limit. I stop at about 30, 33.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today you had, I think 27. Let me see, you had 27 and I had 57. Now that also includes ISOs, but it's still clipping work. Lots of people send stuff pre clipped, but there's real work involved and we are really doing the work and we.

[Adam Curry]

Have to listen to all this crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our problem is we make it look easy. This is. This is the problem. This is the problem. This is. We should be like, it's a problem. Yeah, yeah. And we do it ourselves. We don't have people editing the show, taking out all the uhs.

[Adam Curry]

No, they take the life out of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well that's what most podcasts are, lifeless pieces of drick. And that's what happens when you try chats Chasey D. It becomes lifeless. It's just.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, all to say value for value is the way we have run this so void zero for years and years and years has been completely value for value. We've evened that out a bit as he runs a lot of infrastructure for us. But we have all these producers. We have so many producers that no news organization can top us. We have constitutional lawyers, we have doctors, we have dentists, we have psychologists, we have. Oh my goodness, the amount of kratom.

[Adam Curry]

Experts we have, it's too many. We have too many producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

You gotta wonder what our producers are doing. But the kratom experts is amazing. I will read one.

[Adam Curry]

I got a bunch of notes too.

[John C. Dvorak]

But did you get the one from the ER nurse? No.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Maybe. I don't. Probably not.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is in response to the vape store heroin or whatever it was. ER nurse here. Okay, so there's a tiny amount of 7 hydromyxigritogene 7. Oh. In normal kratom it is the most potent part of it. 99% of the active chemicals of it are just mitragynine. I think that's how you pronounce it in a lab. They oxidize the mitragynine into 7,08. They both affect the mu receptors opioid but do not recruit the beta arrestin pathway which would cause respiratory depression, which means you die. Both of them can cause addiction with prolonged use and withdrawal is unpleasant. People in the R withdrawing from the seven oh though have it much worse. I would say if using Kratom for pain management keeps you off opiates, then it's worth it. Just don't graduate to the seven. Oh. As it's nearly identical to opiates. Not opioid, but opiates.

[Adam Curry]

Is she the one who gives us the definition between opiate and opioid?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I have that one here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, read that. Because we. Me mostly, yes. Went on and on about this because I had the sense of opiate.

[John C. Dvorak]

The tld. I put these in the show notes. Tldr Kratom is considered to most by most experts to be an opioid drug, not an opiate, and is generally safer than street opiates or opioids. Opiates are substances that are derived from the poppy plant, such as opium, morphine, heroin. Kratom is not an opiate. Opioids, the broad category of substances that activate the opioid receptors, including opiates, but are not necessarily derivatives of poppy. Fentanyl, for example, is not a poppy derivative. Kratom is generally thought to fit this description, though. Kratom is a partial opioid agonist. Wow. So there you go. That's the kind of people we have listening and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people that know what they're. Well, the thing that makes it work is that we listen to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Which is not very unusual in media.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't listen to anybody but sniffing their own farts, basically.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they listen to the producer in their ear and they learn how to read very well. Not all of them, but most of them. And they read a script and they go to cocktail parties.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, a lot of them. Boom. We. We on the other hand. We on the other hand, have no cocktail parties. I gotta go listen, really listen to people freaking out about 5G towers killing us. But okay, it's fine. And we clip. We do a lot of clipping. So that's one way that people help us. Of course, we have lots of people who build websites. We got Tim Code Monkey. Codes Monkey. We got Sir Daniel. We got. Well, of course we have the. The Noah Jackson Art Generator, Sir Paul Couture. I don't think. I don't know if he listens because I'm still hoping that he'll allow animated GIFs in there. That hasn't.

[Adam Curry]

I'll send him a note. I have a couple. He's got different email addresses. Yeah, I don't know if he listens anymore either. I think he does occasionally, but it's like, you know, a lot of people listen to the show, then they go overboard because they come back. I don't know why they go Overboard in the first place because they think they know it all and they think they don't have to tick tock tuned into the news. No, it's not. I think they should be listening because.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'Re funny TikTok clips is the TikTok lips that drives people away.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that's not playing enough of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Episode 1787 OG Daffy is what we called that. And you were correct. A lot of pushback on this art. Very controversial. And it was a nice piece. You know, it wasn't like, wow, look at this. It was the no agenda sock hop. We had a young couple who are doing dancing close cheek to cheek and all the other kids are walking around aimlessly looking at their phones, not talking to each other. So the conceit, as we say in the business, was correct. However, many people commented that's not a sock hop because they have the shoes on.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I said when we picked the art.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I did not realize.

[Adam Curry]

You should have. Because I could, I could go to Bingit IO because when I first discussed sock hops because I'm the sock sock cop guy, I mentioned the reason for this called a sock cop because they had these, these dances in a gymnasium. And back in the day we didn't, we would. Kids didn't wear tennis shoes all the time. They actually wore leather soled shoes that have, you know, the rubber heels. And you would go into the gym and if you started dancing around, you scuff the gym up, it would make a mess so you had to wear socks.

[John C. Dvorak]

So wow, you're right. Thursday, March 31, 2011 Episode 291 of this podcast. That is what, 15 years ago? Yeah, that title was unconstitutional. Botox. For some reason you gave this very explanation.

[Adam Curry]

The 50s. Because once they started, once they went away from waltzing into doing the bop and whatever, the dirty bop and the jumping around, she bought rock and roll.

[John C. Dvorak]

That crazy thing those kids are doing.

[Adam Curry]

Once they started doing that, they were scratching up the place because of their shoes. So they said, oh, let's create the sock hop. So you had to go in your socks because you wouldn't damage anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, thanks for that history lesson.

[Adam Curry]

You're welcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which proves I don't listen to you.

[Adam Curry]

That's well known.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you look at Bingit IO man, we've talked about this numerous times throughout the years. By the way, there is sir denonymous with clipgenie.com with Bingit IO these are amazing value, very valuable resources, resources that are available to you at no Cost. Thanks to our producers. This is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

It is amazing. It's actually quite a phenomenon.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are a phenom. So thank you. Blue Acorn. Good job. Sorry about the shoes, but otherwise pretty good. Did. Was there anything else we. I don't think there was anything that we like.

[Adam Curry]

No, it was bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all a drivel.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's always going to be that way, but they can still get something to happen to make something interesting. I did like the wallet you didn't like because it was too small. Yeah, it's too small. That's what you said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, correct. It was too small. And you didn't even push back because you knew it was true.

[Adam Curry]

The wallet was good. Good piece. And there's a lot of buts. Nice tight butts. Small, tight.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of butts.

[Adam Curry]

A couple nice ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it wasn't really anything else that was usable.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. We should just call this the butt cast and just use one piece of art over and over again by Darren. Well, the comic strip.

[Adam Curry]

Comic strip blogger. Come into that and he'd take over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you to all of the artists who use their prompting skills these days to bring us artwork that was. It's always appreciated. Noagenda artgenerator.com Everybody can participate. It's open to all. We always like to thank our producers who support us with a financial donation. It is necessary. You heard part of the reason why you can do that. @noagendadonations.com we thank everybody $50 and above for every single show with an extra bonus if you happen to be fortunate enough to support us with a larger amount. $200 or more. Not only do we thank you profusely, but we also give you an official show business title of Associate Executive Producer, which is a real title. Go [e-mail] if you don't have an IMDb.com account, you probably don't. Unless you're already a no agenda producer. You can open one with that. It's valid. And we'll read your note. We'll also read your note for $300 or above. And then you become an executive producer. Just like Hollywood, you get a credit. That's about all we have. Hollywood wise, that's all we have left. And we kick it off today with Chris mobs from Belvedere, Vermont, who came in, I'm sure with $1,000. The fees made it $1,030.26. And he says, please have this go towards my PhD done and a knighthood. I just seen this Newsletter this morning. This is my first donation. Well, hold on a second. It was your first donation. We're going to have to deduce.

[News Anchor]

You'Ve been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have followed Adam since the MTV days. I actually paid for the Moscow Music Peace Festival to watch it. I presume you guys are the best. Thank you, Chris. So, yes, you will be an executive producer. You will be a knight, and you get your PhD. And this is. These are the last of. The last of the last who snuck in under the wire.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, pretty much. The other latent. I'll say PhD is Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah. He came to 1014 and he. This was a check or something. This is a. Kind of came in over the transom and he wrote a note. It says in the morning John and Adam. Oh, no. It says in the morning Adam and John C. I wanted to drop a quick note to thank you both for keeping me sane in this world that's constantly trying to gaslight me. I've sent in a donation that should officially bring me to the level of knighthood accounting below. And I'm timed the postmark so that with your gracious approval, sneak me into the PhD last round. Perfect time to join the roundtable. But here's the fun part. I'm sending this donation in gold backs. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are these even? Can we even use these?

[Adam Curry]

No. I don't know. I'm going to send half them to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

He claims There were six. Six. We took him on his word on this. Worth $6.60 each. I think they were. They were originally five bucks. I can't remember with the gold.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they're made with that. They're backed with actual gold in it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a piece of plastic that's printed and it's got a. And it's got a layer of. It seems like gold leaf. About five bucks worth of gold leaf on it. So there's actually gold. And the pile, this pile that he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sent, are they plastified? Plasticified?

[Adam Curry]

I don't have no idea. That's what bothers me because I don't know if you can put in your wallet. And does the gold rub off?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one for. From Florida. Florida gold back is a $10 gold back and it's 1/100th troy ounce of 24 karat gold. It's pretty cool.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know how they do it. We should probably look into it because you have to know how. You know how easy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, guess what? You just give them the void zero for the new server.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we don't have enough for the new server. The new server's four grand plus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh crap.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so. But there's this pile. This pile of these goldbacks is very heavy because there's so much gold there. I mean, you know, it weighs more than you'd think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, goes for the unenlightened. Basically, gold backs are a voluntary spendable currency made of actual gold. Each note contains a thin layer of 24 karat gold. Blah blah blah. Think of it as freedom money. Beautiful, tangible and non fed. There are 60 gold backs for each of you. Learn [e-mail] yeah, that's goldback.com. go check it out. I hope the goats enjoy a little real money for once. Thanks again for the. He called us goats.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks again for the years of insight media jiu jitsu and jingle fueled sanity. Keep doing what you do best. Jake Warburton in St. George, Utah. And he'll be knighted it as Sir Lest and Jake Knight of the Exmos and Grouse Creek Crick. That's crick. He pronounces it Crick like they do lot to do down south to pronounce Creek.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And he also wants Utah dirty soda and elk steak at the round table.

[Adam Curry]

What is elk steak?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good. But what's Utah dirty soda?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, thank you brother. That's very nice. Unspendable donation. Lovely. It's better than bitcoin. Bitcoin coming in with 333.33 is sir pursuit of peace and Tranquility. He's Whoa. Did he do two donations? I see two here. Oh yes, yeah, yeah. August donation. He donates this every single month. August donation title upgrade to Duke. Sir Pursuit of peace and Tranquility. Duke of the lands of red clay and the cherry trees. And I guess you have his note for the a July donation.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's go back to that page and see what note I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's page three.

[Adam Curry]

This is right page is this 3333 in the morning boys. Keeping it simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. July 2025. Donation 333. No jingles, no karma. It's a nice note. Sincerely, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility. Earl of the lands of the Red Clay and the cherry trees over to Hadam, Connecticut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Haddam. Haddam, Connecticut. $200 producer title for Mark Bleiweldt Bleuvelt who is Dutch and says Dunkee ly bed and.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I see, I see. Sir piecing tranquilly sent two notes in there. Basically the same note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes he did.

[Adam Curry]

Eric Levenberg is up. He's in Los Angeles, CA 22233 and he's requesting jobs karma for a little life changing job health karma and a relationship. Relationship karma on On Top would be lovely as well. I think you should pick one producer a week to pick a show title for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a very bad idea.

[Adam Curry]

Not gonna happen.

[News Anchor]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sean Homan next from Noblesville, Indiana to 1911. Peace and joy to all. Jesus. Jesus is king. D Nice is still a juice bag. So please hit her with a jcd Donate Clip oh, didn't see that one in the let's do the let's do the the crazy chime. It drives everybody nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Donate, donate.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Sean winds up with God bless the Boomers. Amen.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Bean juice?

[Adam Curry]

Just ask Adam. He's got a bunch of bean juice in him as we speak. Plus it's safe and effective. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM for 20% off your order today. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

ITM20 is the code ITM.

[Adam Curry]

What did I say?

[John C. Dvorak]

You said said ITM.

[Adam Curry]

I. I have done that continuously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he should probably just make it code itm.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, why not?

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

I want you to read the next one. This is actually addressed to you. Even though I'm the one who keeps talking about sock hops.

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Adam Curry]

She thinks it's you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this was. This was a good note.

[Adam Curry]

This was Dame Andy. Jane. This is a great note.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a good note, and it could.

[Adam Curry]

Be a great note.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this was. This was in response to the sock hop. And. And Dame Andy says there's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s. Listen up.

[Adam Curry]

I find that. That premise, by the way, I find interesting. And I will go back to my earlier commentaries where. When I was a kid, when. When I was in grammar school, at first, I. Second and third grade, they taught us dance. They taught us the cha cha cha, the bossa nova. They taught us all these different dances, and they would be part of class. They also taught us how to read clock, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clock.

[Adam Curry]

And which remind. Which brings me to a funny bonus clip, which I had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Goodness, people said this. What a segment this is today. Did you send me a bonus clip? I didn't see it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it's the top. It's the talk clip. Is the bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Oh, this one right here. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Holy.

[News Anchor]

I go to the grocery store to buy some bagels for tomorrow morning. I pick up six of them. I go to the cashier, ask me what's in the bag, say, half a dozen bagels. He proceeds to pull out a binder full of codes, which I didn't think much of because he probably just knew. Didn't know the code to put in the system for bagels. No big deal. But then he turns on the light again, thinking he just doesn't know the code. Supervisor comes over, asks what's up? And he goes, I'm looking for what a half a dozen bagels are. And he goes, that's the code. And he points to it in the binary. He goes, no. What is half a dozen mean? This kid's 16, 17, 18 in that ballpark, and he does not know what half a dozen means. That's kind of terrifying, honestly. And what's even more terrifying, why not just ask me to clarify? I think my mouth dropped open because even the supervisor was like, we'll. We'll work on that, buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mm.

[News Anchor]

Oh, my God. Work on that. Work on. Work on what? Teach this boy somebody. What is. What Is our education system teaching these kids nothing? But I learned my lesson. Next time, I'll just say, exactly the number of bagels, donuts, whatever, I have. Exactly. To the cashier. I will not be cute and use a neat little saying like that ever again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's kind of concerning.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I thought so, too. It's distressing, actually. But this is the same as read clock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so if you said, I want a gross, that would be a real big problem for him, huh?

[Adam Curry]

But luckily, somebody doesn't want a hog's head.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. There's been a war on dance since at least as far back as the 1920s. The Savoy Ballroom was opened in 1926 as the first integrated dance hall and one of the most prominently integrated private spaces in the usa. It was repeatedly closed down by vice on unsubstantiated allegations of prostitution. Did we have prostitution in your day? A federal excise tax of 30% was instituted against all dance halls in 1944 to, quote, support the war. It continued on a diminished basis until 1965. Local excise tax piled on and continued after that date. To this day, Back tax debt closed the local ballroom in Houston that had hosted Louis Armstrong. There's still a dance hall tax in Houston. It's $500 per six months. This is. This is interesting. The NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts, was established in 65 and is funded primarily ballet and modern contemporary dance. It has made dance more of an art than a social event. This is replicated at the state level in government organizations such as the Texas Commission on the Arts. It funds highbrow dance concerts to the exclusion and detriment of regular dance. Finally, at the local level, there is a hotel occupancy tax in most major cities that supports the arts. This tax props up dance concerts again to the exclusion and detriment of social dance gatherings. The rules exclude competitions, religious and social events, and the founding director of dance. As the founding director of Dance Houston. Hello, Dance Houston. I went after and obtained these government grants from 2006 to 2020. I stopped. Listen to this. I stopped when I started listening to no Agenda. We're hurting the arts. And then I wrote this paper. I'll link to that in the show notes. I took aim at my local grantors who had been very generous with me. I stopped applying for grants and updated my website with this page that says we will receive grants but not apply to them. Major changes happened around here when I blew the whistle. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A lot of stuff here. I've been biting my tongue about sock hops since. It may take a dissertation to grasp the 100 year evolution for public free dancing to what we have now. But it's my forte. So here you have it. The government has in fact suppressed dancing and elevated concert dance. Well, this has given me an idea, a possible exit strategy. I'm going to open a dance hall in Fredericksburg. I don't think we have one.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure you don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to open one. If they try to tax me, I'm going to cause a stink. I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

I bet you there's a state law.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll find out.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's peculiar. I didn't even consider which her whole note, which is long. I didn't consider any of that as part of the problem. The desocialization of the children is what this amounts to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And everything has been. The targeting has been. The family has been de. Socialized. They've been trying to get rid of the family and they're trying to get socialization down. The way to do the. The way to do all of this, I would say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know. You know what's also a problem? It used to be, as you said, because it was the same when I was growing up. We had dance. It was a class. You took dance. I think it was elective. But you took dance in school and dance lessons have moved to dance studios and they're expensive and you only go there if you're getting married and you got to do your first dance. This should. We should bring this back, you know, and, and have some of those beautiful dances where you dance together. And we do have line dancing in Texas and we have, you know, stuff like that. But you know, there's something to be said for that, John.

[Adam Curry]

It's not happening. This whole. This. The tendency is to bust out up the family, stop people from socializing, put them on the little screens and let them sit there and type, type, type and point, point on their TikTok videos and point at you and tell you you're bad. And wiggle your finger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. With bird hands.

[Adam Curry]

Bird hands. All right, enough of that. Belinda Lou Patkins up and she's last on our list and she's from Lakewood, Colorado and wants jobs. Carmen says worried about to AI For a resume that gets results and tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring, go to ImageMakers Inc.com that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[News Anchor]

Jobs Jobs, jobs, and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling you, I bet you the church would let me take the chairs out and have a dance. We could do it.

[Adam Curry]

You could? Well, let's see if anyone shows up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, that's not guaranteed at all. Thank you, Linda. Thank you to these associate executive producers and executive producers for episode 1788. We are drawing close to our 18th anniversary in October, which is. Okay, don't get too excited. We haven't made it yet. There's no guarantee we're going to make it. And I might exit with my dance hall, but of course, we appreciate you and all of these titles are valid show business credits that we discussed. And in our second segment, we'll be thanking people. $50 and above go to noagendadonations.com to support the show. It's worth it. That is, if you get any value out of our podcast. Noagendadonations.com and thank you to the associate and executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out.

[John C. Dvorak]

We hit people in the mouth.

[News Anchor]

Shut up, Slain.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, Slade.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm kind of liking this idea of a. And you know what? We can do a sock hop. We'll just have people take their shoes off. Yeah. Not that it's necessary, but it'd be fun. I'm kind of liking this. I don't know. In my old age. I'm digging these ideas.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm digging these ideas.

[Adam Curry]

I have a unreported story. I thought I'd run this audio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I always like these unreported stories. This is a story. Nobody's covering this. I don't know why, but it's good stuff. This is the unreported Cook island story.

[News Anchor]

Why is the US Competing with China over a little island nation in the Pacific? The State Department just started seabed mineral talks with the Cook Islands, a country with ties to New Zealand entities. Washington correspondent Jack Bradley.

[Adam Curry]

The US Is partnering with the Cook Islands to conduct research on seabed minerals. The Pacific island country sits atop a seabed that's reportedly rich in critical minerals.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's also subject to influence by the Chinese Communist Party.

[Adam Curry]

The announcement was made on the Cook Island's 60th anniversary.

[John C. Dvorak]

They said in a joint statement On.

[Adam Curry]

Tuesday that U.S. linked firms sit at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The forefront of deep seabed mineral research and exploration in the Cook Islands, which reflects strong and shared US Cook Islands seabed mineral interests. Last week, the FBI opened a new office in Wellington, New Zealand, which oversees the Cook Islands. And it's opened to counter the CCP's.

[Adam Curry]

Regional influence, cybercrime and espionage.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what FBI Director Kash Patel said at the time, that countering the CCP is a top priority both for the.

[Adam Curry]

US and New Zealand. Putting us together in common space and sharing with intelligence platforms and law enforcement partners and defense operations is the only way we are going to actually countermand the CCP threat that is dominating the Indo Pacom region.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's as concerns arose earlier this year over. Over the Cook Island's deepening ties with China.

[Adam Curry]

Their prime minister went to China in.

[John C. Dvorak]

February and signed a trade and seabed mining agreement with the ccp. You know, it's funny you mentioned that, because I had a clip for the last show from Australia where they talked about the FBI opening this office in New Zealand. And the only reason they didn't mention the Cook Islands, the only reason I clipped it was why is the FBI operating outside America?

[Adam Curry]

Which brings us to. That would. Besides the second part of this clip, which brings us to this TV show, which is to soften us up for this idea because they had the show. They had these, you know, Dick Wolf did these FBI shows. First it was FBI, then they rolled out FBI Most Wanted, and then they rolled out FBI International. And FBI International makes it sound like the FBI is an international police force, that most of the stories were taking place in Europe with an FBI office in Europe. And they're. And they're. They're. It's just like in any FBI story in, like a New York FBI story, like the regular FBI series where they were. They're superseding the local cops in Europe. Every time I watch that show, I just shake my head thinking, what is this? What's going on here with this FBI and this internationalization of this, the operation. Who are we kidding? We are the world's policemen. I guess we have to just admit it to ourselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, part two of this and we'll be done.

[John C. Dvorak]

But New Zealand's leaders were unhappy that they weren't informed about this as the.

[Adam Curry]

Two countries share constitutional ties.

[John C. Dvorak]

And in June, New Zealand suspended $11 million to the Cook Islands in development funding. China has been working to tie itself to several island nations for rare earth minerals. China supplies about 90% of the world's rare earths and also dominates in producing many critical minerals. Analysts say that if China were to ban exports of these minerals to the US the consequences could be economically catastrophic.

[News Anchor]

So a total export ban would be devastating to the US economy. We would need to rely on domestic sources. If we can get them online and to turn to allies as much as possible.

[Adam Curry]

So right now the US Is looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Into alternatives like its trading partners in the Indo Pacific, Japan, Australia, and also mining here at home.

[News Anchor]

We have vast mineral resources here. A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have.

[Adam Curry]

Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed.

[John C. Dvorak]

To invest $400 million in a stake.

[Adam Curry]

In MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine. How did we get so far behind the eight ball on this deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we. The rare earths, which are used mostly for that, the most important part of them are for magnets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

For super strong little bitty magnets. Or you can't have little stepper motors without little bitty magnets. You can't have little bitty magnets without these rare earths.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

How did we get so far behind on, on. On letting the Chinese just take over the entire business when it's so, so important?

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks, Obama. Thanks.

[Adam Curry]

I think it goes back to Clinton, to be honest.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I was talking to my buddy Robert. Robert works here in Fredericksburg, and he's a CNC operator and he makes very, very tiny parts. I think a lot of it's military. I mean, he showed me a part, it was like a, you know, it wouldn't even fit on your thumbnail. It was, was so small. Complete precision. And I said, how are the tariffs doing? And he said, you know, it's really a problem because our cost has gone up about 50% over the stuff we're importing from China. He says, so that is a problem. He says, however, American metals, so he wasn't talking about minerals per se, but, but American metals are far superior to the stuff from China. And he said, everybody knows that. The hidden secret, he said, no matter what you order from China, you can throw 40% away. It's just wrong. It's broken, it's defective, it's junk. So it's really only about 10%, 10% difference there. Switching to American stuff. He said, but American companies are getting more efficient and the cost of is going to come down. And he thinks that this is going to turn out pretty good. And I think the same holds true for minerals and for the production of minerals. And that, that company that was mentioned in there, one of our producers sent me a note, said, you know, I heard you guys talking about, what's the name of the company?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's mp. MP Something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[News Anchor]

We have vast mineral resources here. A lot of people do not understand how much we actually have.

[Adam Curry]

Last month, for instance, the Pentagon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pentagon agreed to invest $400 million in.

[Adam Curry]

A stake in MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we had mentioned this and one of our producers let me know, said, oh, the minute I heard you guys talking about it, I bought stock and it dropped 10%. He said, But I'm holding on, I'm holding on. I think it's gonna, I think it's a good idea go to the moon now. He said, I think it may, it may be a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

We don't bet it's, you know, investing in mine, meaning is not necessarily a bad thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just, we can probably talk about. There is some tariff stuff. Very fun. Slanted report, of course, from France. 24 from Liberation Day to Collection Day as US Customs officials finally begin enforcing Donald Trump's tariffs. On April 2, the President announced new import duties on virtual virtually all US trading partners worldwide, calling them reciprocal for policies that have left America with large trade deficits and gutted its manufacturing base. Since then, a number of them have inked preliminary frameworks. Most UK goods now getting a 10% rate. US allies like the EU, Japan and South Korea reluctantly accepting deals for around 15%, most lower than Trump's initial threats, but still a major increase from their previous positions. Some other countries, though, have seen their positions worsen since April. India is now facing 50% tariffs over its purchases of Russian oil. Brazil facing the same rate as Trump, accuses it of persecuting his ally, far right former President Jair Bolsonaro. Dozens of other countries have not managed.

[Adam Curry]

To reach a new deal deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Overall, the average US tariff rate is going from 2% last year up to 15%. Meanwhile, Trump has either threatened or already imposed significant sector specific duties on industries like automobiles, metals, pharmaceuticals and microprocessors. Those tariffs have already raised significant revenues. By the end Of July, the US had collected over $150 billion in customs duties, nearly double the amount from the same period last year. Though they target foreign goods, tariffs are a tax paid by importers. US Businesses and consumers are thus now bracing for higher prices amid a rapid reordering of the global trade system. This is the continuous narrative of people against the tariffs. What is your opinion on that? That, oh, we're going to get inflation, the prices are going to rise. All I hear is producers saying, well, we're just eating that cost because we really can't charge more.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's the general opinion from the pro tariff people that that's what's going to happen mostly and especially from the China, China side. China's markup is even though there's all this stuff, cheap stuff from China. I've had more than a few producers from China. Right. And you know, you, you have no idea. He says the stuff they're selling that looks cheap at 2 bucks. They could drop it to a buck and it'd still be cheap for them sort of thing. And so the Chinese can eat a lot of the profits. They're just making money hand over fist with their overproduction.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you should say, yeah, it's because of the tariffs that we can't do. The microphone, phone company.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay, so I walked right into that. You probably set me up. That was a setup. That was a nice try.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was thinking about it for weeks. For weeks. For weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You've been sitting on that. You, you people don't realize that you actually sit around and rehearse in a mirror.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do. How can I get him now? I'll get him this time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's basically it. That's no life.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now there is good news. Trump checks incoming.

[Adam Curry]

Well, remember those stimulus checks from a few years back? The federal government depositing a few hundred bucks in your bank account during COVID 19? Well, a similar idea has been introduced in Congress, not because of a global health emergency, but because of the record amount of revenue being brought in through tariffs. Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri has officially introduced this piece of legislation entitled American Worker Rebate act of 2025. It's based on the belief that the federal government is bringing in a record amount of tariff revenue. And as a result, the American people deserve a cut. In June, for instance, the federal government reported a new tariff revenue record of over 26 billion. That is quadrupled the amount from the same month last year. Even more tariff revenue appears appears to be on the way. With President Donald Trump announcing new tariff rates for European countries in recent days. Here is how the proposed tariff rebate plan could possibly work. According to Senator Hawley's legislation, $600 per adult and child would be deposited by the Treasury Department into Americans bank accounts, individuals making under $75,000 a year, and couples who file their taxes jointly and make under a hundred 150,000 would qualify. Those earning more would receive a reduced payout. The amount could even increase depending on if tariff revenue booms even more.

[John C. Dvorak]

I make a prediction. Here's my prediction. These checks will come as checks. They will have President Trump's smiling face on it. They will have his signature, and it will Be just about around the midterms.

[Adam Curry]

That's what you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

It's called bribing the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a good, great way to do it. Everyone will be happy.

[Adam Curry]

And who's going to complain about it? Oh, the Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to hide. They're going to run away and hide.

[Adam Curry]

They're going to say, hey, this is a bribe. Yes. No, Trump, I think when he did it the first time, because he put his signature on these checks and there was something about it, it was like, just like Scott Bessant, which I'm convinced only wants to remain as a Treasury secretary because his signature is on every bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So every bill that's printed has got his signature on it, which is kind of cool if you think about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very cool.

[Adam Curry]

And so why would you want to do anything but that job and you have signature on every dollar bill because.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S not really money. It belongs to the treasury and it's.

[Adam Curry]

Got your signature on it. So Trump, as a promoter sees this as an opportunity. I agree 100%. I don't think it's picture. I didn't think about the picture, but now that you mention it, instead of a seal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Pict Trump's picture. That's not a bad idea. I'm sure they'll be mulling that over.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and not to, not to fall short over there in the European Union, unfortunately. I looked for a long time to get this full clip. I could not find the clip with the question that Christine Fifi Lagarde answered. And the question was about the digital euro. And I won't tell you what the question was because she, she answers that at the very end of this rather short, short clip. It's annoying because I really wanted to have the. I really want to have the full series is from euro debates, but they own. They chopped it up and they didn't have the full. Her full speech and Q and A. Now, the digital euro is going to be a 100% bona fide certified central bank digital currency.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is a very, very poor idea for the people of the eu, European Union. And so I think the question was rather hostile. And here's her answer.

[News Anchor]

You know, I have a pretty simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Understanding of what the digital euro is.

[News Anchor]

And for me, this is the digital expression of cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[News Anchor]

I mean, we all have cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, most of you, I suppose I do. I like cash, whether it takes the.

[News Anchor]

Form of coins or banknotes. This is cash and this is central bank money, if you will. It's sovereign money.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a big difference between sovereign and central bank money. But okay, Fifi, I really don't understand much about the digital euro. Yeah, you do. But as technologies evolve over the course.

[News Anchor]

Of time and as the preference for payment evolves as a result, we need to respond to the demand of our European compatriots.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I see digital euro has the.

[News Anchor]

Digital expression of cash. It's like digital cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can argue at the margin that in terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page. Oh, you could argue in the margin, in the margin that, you know, it's not quite the same. Privacy you have have is cash. No, it's not the margin that is the main point of it. You can argue at the margin that in terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not exactly on the same page.

[News Anchor]

You could, you could argue that the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cost of cash is higher than blah, blah, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what it is. So to argue that digital cash is.

[News Anchor]

A nuclear bomb, I think that's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Little bit a of over the top.

[News Anchor]

We're not holding nuclear bombs in our pockets.

[Adam Curry]

As far as I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBDC is a nuclear bomb. You're gonna just trap everybody in it. That's exactly right. That's exactly what's happening. Get out while you can, Europe. Don't be like John in California, stuck there until the cycle's over. He won't survive it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the cycle. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, then. Some movement on the Russia, Ukraine front.

[News Anchor]

After weeks of worsening relations, Donald Trump now says a face to face meeting with Vladimir Putin is on the cards in the near future.

[Adam Curry]

We had some very good talks with President Putin today and there's a very good chance that we could be ending these, ending the round, ending the end of that road. That road was long and continues to be long, but there's a good chance that there will be a meeting very soon.

[News Anchor]

While the US President declined to give an exact date, the New York Times reported it could be as early as next week. Trump then wants a three way summit with President Putin and Ukraine's President Zelensky. If the talks do go ahead, it would be the first time American and Russian leaders meet face to face since the 2021 Geneva summit. The announcement comes hours after the US's special envoy, Steve Witkoff met with Putin in Moscow. The Kremlin called these talks productive. Russia has until Friday to agree to a ceasefire or face further sanctions. Trump discussed Witkoff's visit with Zelensky and European allies In a phone call which was welcomed by the Ukrainian leader, we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Discussed what was said in Moscow. It seems that Russia is now more inclined to agree to a ceasefire. The pressure on them is working, but the main thing is that they do not deceive us or the US in the details.

[News Anchor]

Despite the optimism, the White House says it will still impose secondary tariffs on countries that buy Russian oil that could see goods from any country face 100% tax when imported to the U.S. oh, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

I have a wit cough clip. Play mine. See if there's any different information in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Witkoff.

[Adam Curry]

A motorcade believed to be carrying US.

[John C. Dvorak]

Special envoy Steve Wykoff left the Kremlin on Wednesday. President Trump says Wyckoff had a highly.

[Adam Curry]

Productive meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump added that great progress was made afterwards. I updated some of our European allies. Everyone agrees this war must come to a close. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was on the call with Trump and European allies as well on Wednesday. According to Zelenskyy, Putin is more open to peace talks. After Wednesday's meeting with Witkoff.

[Adam Curry]

We discussed what was said in Moscow. It appears that Russia is now more.

[Reverend Manning]

Inclined to consider a ceasefire.

[Adam Curry]

The pressure on them is working. Russia's foreign policy advisor says the meeting lasted three hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

When it comes to its topics. First of all, it was the Ukraine crisis, and the second topic was possible development of strategic cooperation between the US And Russia. Trump is now open to meet with.

[Adam Curry]

Putin to discuss possible peace solutions. White House Press secretary Caroline Levitt tells.

[John C. Dvorak]

NTD's Sister Media, the Epoch Times, that.

[Adam Curry]

The Russians expressed their desire to meet with President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the president is open to meeting with both President Putin and President Zelensky. President Trump wants this brutal war to end. The developments come just two days before a deadline for Russia to strike a peace deal with Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Trump says he'll increase economic pressure on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Moscow if no deal is reached by Friday. You know, I think you're right about stablecoin in Russia and that. That's got to be a part of it. Listen, Vlad, all right, armistice, okay, we'll do armistice. We'll have a dm.

[Adam Curry]

I think the armistice thing's a good idea, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Armistice, demilitarized zone. And we'll get you your stablecoin, and then we can do deals without this annoying Brussels people. People with swift. It's easy. And that's exactly what we want.

[Adam Curry]

I think the Russians want that, too. They. They're good traders. I mean, they don't. They don't compete with us really, in the terms of giant market. But everybody likes trading with us. There's a lot of opportunities here. We're good traders. We are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we are.

[Adam Curry]

So let's do some. Let's do some deals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do a deal, man. Let's do some deals. Yeah, let's do some deals already.

[Adam Curry]

And the Russians, you know, they're running out of champagne. You know, guys, they need champagne. No, there's. You've been around these Russians, and, you know, if you in Europe, you see a bunch of these Russian oligarchs are popping champ. The most expensive crap you can imagine. They're just opening it up and dumping it on women's heads. Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the club.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They're just crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they are. They are. Although we appear to be auctioning off one of those oligarchs yachts, like a $325 million yacht, stealing property.

[Adam Curry]

We have to stop doing this. That's why this has got to end.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's very bad. You know, there was like this. All of a sudden, there was this huge breaking story. Alex Jones was flipping out over it, that Trump is going to deny disaster aid to any state that. That boycotts Israel. And, man, people went crazy, crazy. And I looked into it, and what it was is there was some DHS document, and I wouldn't put it past Kristi Noem to have put this in herself. And it did indeed have language like, oh, if you have a state that boycotts bds, that boycotts Israel, then. And of course, we know that Mossad has Epstein tapes on Trump, so obviously he would have to do that. And what did he do? He said, no, we're not doing that nonsense. We put American states first. So it died off real quick. I thought that was rather interesting how, you know, you don't. You don't hear the. You don't hear people say, oh, Trump just went against the Mossad.

[Adam Curry]

I got a couple of clips on the data centers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because this should actually. Should have brought. I should have brought these in during the discussion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm looking at these two clips, and I can't figure out which is which. But let's start with data centers. Virginia. Virginia.

[News Anchor]

The rise of data centers is becoming one of the hottest issues on the campaign trail this year in the election for the Virginia House of Delegates. Virginia Public Radio's Michael Pope has details.

[Adam Curry]

There's one issue that former delegate Elizabeth Guzman hears about all the time in her campaign for a battlefield House seat in Prince William County.

[News Anchor]

Data Centers, they are telling me, okay, great, data centers are here, but I don't see what is in it for me. I don't see those incentives reflected on my property tax bill.

[Adam Curry]

The Republican incumbent she's trying to unseat is delegate Ian Lovejoy.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the last session of the General.

[Adam Curry]

Assembly, he introduced an unsuccessful bill that would have prohibited local governments from allowing data centers within a quarter mile of parks, schools or residences.

[John C. Dvorak]

When local governments get it wrong so.

[Adam Curry]

Often and so consistently, there is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Role for the state government to step.

[Adam Curry]

In and say that you're being out of line. His bill did not get out of subcommittee, but the General assembly did pass a separate bill that would have required local governments to do a site assessment of water use and potential noise output of any proposed Data Center. Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin vetoed it.

[Reverend Manning]

MICHAEL Pope.

[Adam Curry]

Water at the very end. That guy. And that's what I have as a second clip. You have to listen to this way. This guy ended this thing. He did, he did the meme. What was that sigh. What's the name of your aunt and Jeezy and Gigi does an aunt Gigi thing at the end. I have the very short version of it right here. This is the very end of that clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

MICHAEL Pope okay, not quite.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of reporting is this is npr. You got a guy moaning and groaning on there. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. I think we should. We, we. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I got, I got a shorty here, a real shorty, because this was, I want, like, wow, we're spending money on this.

[Adam Curry]

Could be another giant leap for mankind and then some. Acting NASA administrator Sean Duffy is set.

[John C. Dvorak]

To fast track efforts to put a.

[Adam Curry]

Nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030. Documents obtained by Politico and confirmed by ABC News detail the plan.

[News Anchor]

Duffy calls it the second space race, citing similar plans by China and Russia. The concern is those countries could potentially blow block others from exploration if their reactor reaches the lunar surface first. A reactor would be an essential source of power during long term human stays on the moon, which is steeped in cold darkness for 14 days at a time.

[Adam Curry]

Oh brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are we really spending money on that?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why that news story even came up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well then, to round out Michael clips for today. We know that this is a very exciting race in New York City for mayor of New York. Ah, yes, with Mamdani. Do we even know the Republican's name?

[Adam Curry]

That's Sliwa.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Curtis. Sliwa. Oh, Curtis Lewa. Well, he's not doing a good job of promoting himself. But we do have. We do have another candidate. We've just discussed him before. He is a show favorite. The one and only Reverend Manning.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, yes. You've been saving this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, it's a new one. You know, he. He's now campaigning and he has a very interesting campaign promise. He will remove horse hair from hospitals and restaurants. I would enact legislation that you can't have braids if you work in a hospital. You're standing there trying to give the patient an IV and your hair is dropping in their mouth, they can't breathe, their eyes and open it, chewing on your hair. I don't know what happened to them. You can't have braids and false hair. Horse hair in the hospital. Horse hair don't belong in the hospital. Horse hair don't belong in the restaurants. Horse hair don't belong in the schools. Horse hair don't belong in the horse. Have belong on the horse's ass. That's what happened. Don't belong on your head. Wow. I love him.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Okay, well, you get a borderline clip of the day for that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't even for that uncovering. I didn't even expect that. It's beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do it with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fad. John's tip of the day. We also have some.

[Adam Curry]

No, this your tip of the day, if you recall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still ahead, Adam's tip of the day. Yeah, I have it. I do have a tip of the day, my eye.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, do you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I had, I had one last show and so luckily I still have that. So I'll it bring out my tip of the day. That's good news. Tip of the day. Tip of the day. Boy, saved by the bill.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I forgot, but I have it because I saved it in my exquisite.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I didn't know you even had one for last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I did. I had one.

[Adam Curry]

And that's why you promised to do one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, since I knew that I would forget but I would have one so it worked out okay. Also some vaccine related end show clips which are just as good when they were created many years ago. It still holds true. They've been on this train for a long time and we also want to thank our supporters. Value for value, whatever you get out of the show, just send it back to us in any amount. We like the numerology. It's always fun to read and fun to figure out. You can do that. Noagendadonations.com John will read the final supporters for today's episode. $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, actually he's got a mix up here. His brand family should be at the top of the list from Placerville. They came in with $150. And then sir, sir Face tension is a hundred. And this is a donation to give us the shout out to Nico Sime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. For his end of show mix.

[Adam Curry]

So he. He likes the. The AI show mix.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was the. You mean Vajazef Benjam. He. It was very good pronunciation. I don't know if I think it was partially AI, but not all of it. It was.

[Adam Curry]

And beck and Vista, California comes in with 100. Now we have a bunch of. And this. Go continue one more show, which is the 8888. John and Mimi anniversary donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's right. So people are already jumping. Was that in the newsletter?

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I didn't see the newsletter, unfortunately.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why I sent it to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know I was on the road doing important things.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't remember, but I was on the road doing important things.

[Adam Curry]

Arthur Gobets starts us off as he's in Zaottendam, Holland. 8888. You like to cute kittens too. I put in the newsletter. Kevin McLaughlin, 8888. He saw Archduke Alunda love her American melons. He comes in later too with 8,008. Brian Dowd in Stockholm, New Jersey. David Keys. And these are all 8,888. Riverside, California. Jared Preston in Bennington, Nebraska. Ah, there's Dame Rita 8,888. And Sylvia Krydich in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. 8,888. And this will continue on Sunday. And we have 8,225, which is a variation. I put that on there as an option. One guy did it and then that is Mansour Rod in Alpharetta, Georgia. Thanks, Mansour. Kevin McLaughlin's back with 8,008. As the four mentioned, he's the Archduke of Luna. Lover, American lover of boobs melons. Stephen Hutto. Stephen Hutto. He's in St. Petersburg, Florida and came in with 75. David Cox in Austin, Texas. 6325. Teresa, is it? Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, California. 6161. And that's the GG donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it comes. I'll just have an apple in my room.

[Adam Curry]

Birth and sky camp in Knoxville, Tennessee. 6009. By the way, the Little note here says Pelosi putting a hit on on Paul Real time media deconstruction of the day. Grayson Insurance in Aurora, California. 6006. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6006. Dame Tracy and Sir Canebrake in St. George, Louisiana. 55. 10. Tony Funderberk in Missoula, Montana. 55. Roger Kesey Kisi, I believe in Holland, Michigan. 50. 272. Brad Bowman in Duluth, Minnesota. 5218. Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa. 51. And now we have $50 donors. I'll just rattle them off name and location, starting with Chris Coniker in Anchorage, Alaska. Alex Zaval in Kyle, Texas. Ray Howard in Kremmling, Colorado. Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington. Edward Mazurek in Memphis, Tennessee. Jacob Rotramol Roll. I'm not sure he's in Decatur, Illinois. Courtney Burke in Lubbock, Texas. Corey Jackson in Watertown, Tennessee. Walker Phillips in San Rafael, California. Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco. And last on our list is Miami Beach's own Jason d'. Aluzio. And I thank these people for making the show 1788 a possibility. Next show is 1780, which would be Constitution show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

That's the big writing of the Constitution 1789. And also be the 888-8 more donations for John and Mimi's anniversary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want to thank you for that and thank you all to all producers of today's show. $50 under that, we don't mention them for reasons of anonymity, but we see you and we appreciate you. And of course you can send us any amount anytime. Noagendadonations.com there's no bonus packs, no plus packets. There's no hoops, there's no BO. We give it all to you. All we want is that if you got any value out of it, send it back to us. Of course you can set up a sustaining donation which is any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations.com and again, thanks to our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1788. Well, that last donation or one of the last donations donations is literally the only birthday we have today. Courtney, Thomas, Ian and Samuel all wish Steve KOTICK A happy 65th birthday. He is celebrating tomorrow. So we join in by saying Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We do have one title change. As you heard earlier, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility has upped his peerage with another combined $1,000 of support to the show. We really appreciate it. So he will Henceforth be known as Sir Pursuit of peace and tranquility. Tranquility. Tranquility. Tranquility. The Duke of the lands of red clay and the cherry trees. Yes, there is a new duke. That is wonderful. Congratulations, brother. Thank you so much. Two PhDs today. These came in just under the wire. Jake Warburton and Chris Mobs. Both of you go to noagenderrings.com that is where you will find a special tab for your PhD. Let us know exactly what you want on your beautiful certificate and we'll get that off to you as soon as possible. So also an address would be helpful. We have three nights, including a layaway night. Yes, it does work. People just donate little bits and pieces. You keep your own accounting and before you know it, you get an official night ring, a knighting, and you get to join us here at the roundtable. And David Cox says, gentlemen, by my account and the donation this month takes me to knighthood. I was hit in the mouth back in 2020 during the pandemic by Mark Cali. What started out as a bitching session to a random guy on the next bar stool ended up being an intro to the best podcast in the universe. I've been listening ever since. My smoking hot wife and I like to spend time. By the way. Thank you, Mark Cali. Good mouth hit. My smoking hot wife and I like to spend time outdoors. So make my night name Sir Dave I of the Half Fast Hikers. And he would like chicken wings and Irish red ale at the Round Table. No jingles, no karma. Thank you for your attention to this matter and thank you very much, David Cox. Get ready as we pull out our blades tonight, you and to other gentlemen. There you go, David Cox, Jake Warburton, Chris Mobs, all of you now official knights of the Noah Jenna Round Table. I am very proud to pronounce the cave the as Sir Dave of the Half Fast Hikers. Sir Less Than Jake, Knight of the Xmos in Grouse Creek. And Sir Chris Mobs. For you gentlemen, by request, Utah dirty soda and elk steak. We have chicken wings and Irish red ale. But that's not all. We've got beer and blunts. We've got ruby nest women and rose geishas and sake, vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon. Sparkling cider and escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and Pablo. Oh, it's the best. And as always at the Round Table, the fan favorite. We got mutton and we got me. The three of you go to noagenderrings.com that's where you'll see anybody can take a look at them. These very very handsome no Agenda rings for knights and for dames. They are signet rings, which means you can press them into something, leave a lasting impression. Someone's cheek or maybe just the wax that we send along with it. A couple sticks so you can seal your important correspondence. And as always, we include a certificate authenticity. Thank you very much for becoming knights of the no Agenda round table. Well, we all know connection is protection, but did you know that you need a community of immunity? Yes, it's a new phrase we're trying to hijack. So you do that and you get that along with really people who will be the first responders in any emergency for you at a no agenda meetup. You can find [e-mail] we don't have any meetup or promotion for this week as we're kind of winding down some of the summer. I expect it to pick up a bit. But we do have a beer in the sun meetup happening tomorrow at 5:30. That's in Victoria, British Columbia at the Lighthouse Brewery. And on Saturday the Treasure Valley, Boise meet up at 3:00 clock at the Old State Saloon in Eagle, Idaho. There's quite a number of what are you drinking?

[Adam Curry]

I am drinking Adobe Mountain sparkling water. Water, Lovely sparkling mineral water.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure it has natural flavors.

[Adam Curry]

No flavors, it's just plain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, plenty of meetups on the list for August all the way into September and beyond. Including remember we got a big October 11th meetup happening in Fredericksburg, Texas. Plan accordingly because hotel rooms are sparse and you'll need it. Well, you can stay at the Full Moon Bed and breakfast at J6 or Jenny's Place if you get in on time. And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there. So go take a look at those. Noagenameups.com is where you can find a meetup near you. There's a great calendar system. You can submit your own meetups because if you can't find one, it's easy to start one yourself. Go ahead. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm thinking you misclipped your ISO because it's 15 seconds long.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I must have misclipped it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it the very end? Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll see. Show is over. Stay safe. Yeah, yeah. Let me see. What was the whole thing? Another one. Winner Is in the can. Another winner is in the can. Oh, this is you doing your AI, huh? Another winner is in the can. You're trying to. Oh, let me try. Let me regenerate. Maybe it'll be better. Another winner is in the can. Oh, no, that's no good. Let me try it again. Shows is over. Shows is over. That sucks. The AI is getting worse. Another winner is in the can. Oh, bland. Now is over. Stay safe. Nah, no good. I'll try this one. Show is over. Stay safe. Okay. Wow, that's great, John. Good work. In fact, my ISO pertains to it.

[Adam Curry]

Good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep it up. Good job.

[Adam Curry]

Same thing, but to stay safe is funnier. Good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep it up. I have more though. So. What he just said is totally bogus. We have some kid abuse. Always like using a kid. It's too long. But I did want to play this from Gus.

[Adam Curry]

Please donate to my uncle's podcast because they have no money to feed their dog Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just thought it was cute. There's this one that is cute. Yeah, there's this one. Here we go. Two wind bags, one podcast. And then Senator Kennedy.

[Adam Curry]

Pointless, organized grab ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

So.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. It's kind of bad. You want it? Well, good job. Keep it up. I like that one. But yours.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, use. You can use that. That's okay. It's acceptable.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's acceptable. I'm acceptable. Love it. Hey everybody, it's time for my tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I came across what I think is absolutely the best tip of the day in case of an emergency, for when the grid goes down, when the. When the. When the EMP hits. And you can. You can't go anywhere. This is a case of 12 MREs. These are military genuine ready to eat meals and they come with water activated flameless heating. So it is not just some cold slop. And you can store them in just regular in your home. You don't have to refrigerate them or anything. This is from King Surplus. It is the 7.5 MRE case. 12 pack US military genuine ready to eat meals. You can get variety A or variety B. I have tried them myself. They are actually delicious.

[Adam Curry]

What does one of these meals cost?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it costs you 38.95 for the 12 pack because they're tasty. So it's not cheap, but I find them to be okay.

[Adam Curry]

So you have that for dinner?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. I tried that and I tried farmer's dog. It Was a toss up between the two.

[Adam Curry]

Farmer's dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Phoebe's on Farmer's Dog. I always try what my dog eats, which is actually maybe even a better tip of the day. If you get Farmer's dog for your dog, you have your MREs ready to go. You just have. You know, the dog will starve, but okay, at least I won't. The beef. The beef recipe from Farmer's dog is actually quite tasty.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, there it is, everybody. John's tip of the day, brought to you by Sometimes Adam. Great advice for you and me. Just a tip with JCD and Sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Okay, I admit it's hard to do a tip of the day. It's not an easy thing to do. It's hard to make it entertaining and interesting. I'll be the.

[Adam Curry]

Do you have an extra one of those meals?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I have 11 left.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't you send one to me? I want to see if it's delicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. Well, after you.

[Adam Curry]

This will be the encouragement. I'll send you the hard disk that we. We need for the recent backup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then when you send me the hard disk back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Put the meal in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. There you go. That's incentive for you and for me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Like it's win, win.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like it's ever gonna happen.

[Adam Curry]

I have to send you the hard disk or I won't get. Because you already said you won't you stop giving me free discs.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Yes. Because they're not just discs, they're actual drives. Big.

[Adam Curry]

10 terabyte drive with the 100 megabytes of material on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Millennial Media Offensive is next on the no Agenda stream. If you're listening live, we got into show mixes from Audio Ghost, Jesse Coy Nelson and sound guy Steve. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

North of Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see you the on on Sunday. Until then, remember us atnoen Agenda donations dot com. Adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such. Are you ready for your vaccine Societal responsibility? It'll save us all. Listen to me.

[Adam Curry]

Very frustrating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cause I'm a vax man.

[News Anchor]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That'S really not the right attitude.

[John C. Dvorak]

This little job won't hurt at all.

[Adam Curry]

You can do it quickly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thankful I don't vex you all.

[Adam Curry]

You can do it in bulk.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the thing. I really want to do? Cuz I'm a vaxman yeah, I love X men.

[Adam Curry]

If you drive your car, I'll fax.

[John C. Dvorak]

The street if you try to sit, I'll fax your seat. If you get to come, I'll fax the feet if you take a walk, I'll fax your feet.

[Reverend Manning]

Fax man.

[John C. Dvorak]

They put together complete nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I consider the country as my children.

[News Anchor]

Measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Measles.

[Adam Curry]

Vaccinate, ain't it? Drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

You really shouldn't hesitate.

[Adam Curry]

You did it once then do it twice. A second time is just as nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look out, here comes the needle man.

[News Anchor]

Is it safe?

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen dude, don't ask questions or you're a kook and I've seen if I'm hurt Not according to the supreme court.

[Adam Curry]

Court look out, here comes the needle man.

[News Anchor]

Dr. Sheree Morris strongly encourages expecting mothers to get the flu vaccine. The ongoing measles outbreaks bring concern from coast to coast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaccinate.

[Adam Curry]

It's really great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you currently up to date?

[Adam Curry]

Better check on the spot or you'll get by quite a lot. Don't worry, we're making lots of. Even if something's a bit funny, you'll need to vaccinate.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you have to get sick.

[News Anchor]

You think you can't beat the measles?

[Adam Curry]

Put simply, propaganda is the dissemination of ideas intended to convince people to think and act in a particular way and for a particular purpose.

[News Anchor]

New CNN reporting shows there's been a sharp decline in vaccination ads on television.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit me with your best shot.

[News Anchor]

The COVID 19 vaccines have been proven safe and effective. There's a lot of misinformation about the COVID 19 vaccine. So it's critical that you get the facts from sources you can trust. The fact is, the vaccines are safe and effective. More sickness and death.

[John C. Dvorak]

Across our nation, a campaign of shock and awe has begun.

[News Anchor]

It's all of our responsibility to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

[Adam Curry]

People you know and Dream Trust are getting vaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

The most affected are black women.

[News Anchor]

Black women, Black women, black women.

[Reverend Manning]

Everyone has to keep everyone else safe.

[John C. Dvorak]

The vaccines have all been through and met the necessary safety and quality standards. Now that every American over The age of 16 is eligible to get the vaccine, I want to talk about you getting yours.

[News Anchor]

Getting a vaccine can protect not only you, but your loved ones.

[Adam Curry]

The vaccine is safe.

[Reverend Manning]

Safe Covid vaccines are safe and effective.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's effective, it's effective, it's easy, it's free.

[Adam Curry]

And it cannot change your DNA.

[News Anchor]

The next step on the journey is yours. Our health is worth a shot. I beg the public to take this virus more seriously.

[Adam Curry]

The ultimate end game of all this is Vaccination. The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo.

[Adam Curry]

Good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep it up.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, the machine's alive. The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.