1792 - "Meloni in the Middle"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1792 "Meloni in the Middle"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: August 21, 2025

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Overview

Episode 1792 of the No Agenda Show, "Meloni in the Middle," delivers a characteristically spirited and irreverent deconstruction of recent political, economic, and cultural developments. The hosts, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, tackle topics ranging from President Trump’s policing initiatives to the European migrant crisis, the labor market, the global AI bubble, and evolving international alliances. This episode is rich in satirical commentary, media criticism, and the hosts’ signature blend of humor and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points

1. President Trump’s “Ride-Along” Crime Initiative

[00:24–02:00]

• Adam and John discuss President Trump's scheduled ride-along with D.C. police, drawing parallels with historical crime bills.
• Dvorak refers to the "Batman" image and notes that previous crime bills, notably the 1994 Biden/Clinton bill, had problematic legacies of mass incarceration, especially for black men.
• The infamous "super predator" label is revisited, attributed to Hillary Clinton during this era.
• Memorable quote:
  “The 92 [sic] crime bill, of course, incarcerated over a million black men for smoking weed.” — John C. Dvorak [01:44]

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2. AI Hype and Bubbles

[03:57–04:43]

• Reports abound about the end of the AI bubble, with Sam Altman of OpenAI cited as acknowledging a bubble exists (not necessarily that it has burst).
• The hosts lampoon the cyclical nature of media narratives and see caution against media’s premature declarations.
• Quote:
  “Yeah, everyone's publishing articles now. It seems to be the new, new thing to publish articles about the AI hype being over. Yeah.” — John C. Dvorak [03:57]

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3. Skilled Labor Shortages and “Learn to Code”

[04:50–12:03]

• A CBS report on skilled labor shortages is played ([05:36]–[08:16]).
• Adam mocks the “learn to code” mantra, blaming past administrations for nudging youth away from trades.
• Electricians, plumbers, HVAC techs are in demand; wages up ($150K possible with no college debt).
• Dvorak and Curry reflect on societal devaluation of apprenticeships and the enduring value of blue-collar work.
• Quote:
  “Data centers now compete with factories and manufacturing plants for electricians and plumbers...” — Adam Curry [06:10]

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4. Energy Costs, Data Centers, and Societal Strains

[09:25–13:42]

• They analyze how surging tech infrastructure (data centers for AI) is straining local utilities and impacting consumer energy bills.
• Dvorak predicts eventual "riots" over doubled utility bills and lambastes California’s political management for exacerbating costs.
• California's woes, water mismanagement, and PG&E's role in wildfires are dissected, ultimately linking back to national political narratives.
• Quote:
  “Put it in the red book. Riots coming. I'm telling you, it has to be that way. We're Americans ultimately.” — John C. Dvorak [12:03]

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5. Operation "Raise the Colours" and Immigration in the UK/EU

[13:44–20:26]

• Dvorak reports on the growing British nationalist movement, "Raising the Colours," a subtle anti-immigration protest marked by flying flags.
• The hosts detail rising public anger over crime associated with migrants and lack of government response.
• Community groups like the "Pink Ladies" (mothers/grandmothers defending children) are spotlighted as turning points in grassroots activism.
• Quote:
  “We don't hate these men at all. What we hate is what the government has done...” — Lorraine Kavanagh, Pink Ladies organizer [18:08]

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6. Theories on Migrant Policies & “Cultural Marxism”

[20:26–25:20]

• Adam and John theorize about coordination behind “Drag Queen Story Hour” and migrant benefits in Western countries — suggesting international elite networks or “globalists” are orchestrating policies to destabilize western civilization.
• Dvorak goes so far as to cite “Satan” and "Socialist Marxists" as the real masterminds, before also blaming named political leaders.
• Quote:
  “I don't think it's about money because ... these people aren't ... doing the law on anybody's lawn. That's nonsense. ... It's about breaking the backs of Western civilization.” — Adam Curry [21:20]

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7. Satirical/AI: Trump Commentates on EU Leaders

[26:11–28:02]

• A humorous AI-generated Trump voice narrates the arrivals of European leaders at the White House, lampooning European personalities and referencing Giorgia Meloni.
• Quote:
  “Giorgia Meloni. I love her. I told her and Elon that if they ever have a kid, they better name him Iloni Maloney. Ursula. I like that she calls me daddy. They all should, when you think about it.” — "AI Trump" [27:32]

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8. Ukraine War, NATO, and EU Security Guarantees

[31:00–55:21 & 61:37–71:20]

• Explores shifting U.S./EU war policy: Trump pushing for peace, Russians open to legal (but non-NATO) guarantees for Ukraine.
• AI-generated clips and real analysis by experts (e.g., Andrew Rasulas) predict a future where EU supplies “tripwire forces,” with differing attitudes among leaders—especially Italy’s Meloni resisting boots-on-ground.
• Bolton’s acknowledgment that Article 5 (NATO) is more ambiguous than often quoted.
• Satirical question whether world leaders are "body doubles" or "clones" [55:21–62:26].
• Quote:
  “There is the deal, and the deal includes Crimea and whatever security guarantees you want. It will not be NATO.” — Andrew Rasulas [38:49]

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9. China as Global Puppet Master

[71:20–83:05]

• China/CCP characterized as grand manipulator behind keeping the Russia-Ukraine war active, with North Korea and Iran as junior partners.
• The hosts and their guest analyst suggest the war serves to distract the U.S. as China advances strategic goals.
• Adam questions whether EU leaders like Ursula von der Leyen are on China’s payroll; John argues “it has to be money.”
• Quotes:
  “This is all a master plan by the Chinese Communist Party. ... We all have a long history of underestimating the Chinese Communist Party and it's high time that we understand just how critical their role is...” — Casey Fleming [78:29]

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10. U.S. Stablecoin Conspiracy and Financial Power

[83:18–97:52]

• Discussion of U.S. Treasury's strategy (via Besant) to deploy stablecoins, undermine the Fed, track global money flows, and weaponize finance against rival governments — referencing Arthur Hayes' analysis.
• Social media giants (Musk, Zuckerberg) eyed as distribution arms for stablecoin wallets, enabling tighter global dollar control and sanctions.
• Quote:
  “So Besant can one fell stroke completely neuter the Fed. And no longer does the Fed have any control over fed funds...” — Arthur Hayes (via John C. Dvorak) [91:38]

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11. Climate Change & Tech Failures

[152:21–154:06]

• The hosts mock a short-lived battery-powered ferry that was lauded as an environmental milestone, only to break down weeks after launch.
• Quote:
  “All right, so we've got a battery powered ferry. What could possibly go wrong? Two months later, ... it's not clear exactly what that issue was. Or how long it'll be out of service.” — John C. Dvorak [153:01]

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12. Media Satire, Vaccine Politics, and Health Deconstruction

[175:01–187:00]

• Dr. Celine Gounder is lampooned for promoting COVID shots for infants, despite federal recommendations to the contrary—Dvorak and Curry suggest the pediatric establishment is driven by profit.
• Further critique of "safe and effective" mantras and science-as-religion narratives.
• Quotes:
  “Their first encounter with COVID should be with the vaccine. What does the vaccine give you? Covid.” — John C. Dvorak [179:31]

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13. Community, Show Operations, and Meta-Content

[104:48–113:29]

• Behind-the-scenes tales: Adam recounts feuds with the "podcast industrial complex" and the podcast conference scene.
• They discuss innovations in conference audio setups (multi-channel audience headphones) and muse about “brand growth” on X (Twitter).
• Karma shout outs, community support, special titles (e.g., "Secretary General" at $500+ donor level), podcast art selection, and meet-up promotion all maintain the show's participatory producer model.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Two forgetful boomers.” — Adam Curry [02:59]
• “We've got Error here. ... That's her name now. Error. ... Does she make mistakes, you think? Error. Error. Error.” — John & Adam on the AI assistant [03:40–03:50]
• “If this gig comes to an end, I'm going into plumbing. Good to go. Good to go. Good to go.” — John C. Dvorak [09:14]
• “I'm just telling you these things that are harder to... in California, people like what, what do people do with their high gas and electric bill? They stop using their power. And then they just say, okay, well let's freeze the death. You buy more sweaters.” — Adam Curry [11:49]
• “That's the problem. California is America. You know, if California was Texas, we'd be better off...” — Adam Curry [13:09]
• “When the mums get involved. Serious.” — John C. Dvorak on the Pink Ladies movement [17:48]
• “I'm just saying they have to be identifiable that is behind the whole thing somehow. All right, he's managed to pull this off. And I think it's obligatory for us to figure out who these people are and name them.” — Adam Curry [25:20]
• “The true enemy of the people in this world is Satan.” — John C. Dvorak [25:34]
• “We need all these data centers and everything. Of course, it's unfortunate that people are paying for it and paying for your stupid chatgpt by your electric bill and utilities doubling.” — John C. Dvorak [10:23]
• “No, power is about power.” — Adam Curry [22:31]
• “There's always truth in humor.” — John C. Dvorak, after playing AI Trump satire [28:02]
• “We have a first row seat. It was about redistricting, getting more, in this case Democrat seats and, and illegal voters. So isn't it ultimately about power?” — John C. Dvorak [22:12]

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Show Structure, Language, and Tone

Throughout, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak maintain a conversational, sardonic style, frequently interlacing serious political analysis with biting humor, asides, and playful jabs at each other and public figures. They often invoke audience participation ("troll room"), use recurring inside jokes (e.g., “Error” for AI assistance, “Secretary General” for top donors), and drop pop culture references as well as outlandish speculation (clones, Illuminati, Satanists).

They scrutinize mainstream media reporting, challenge "official narratives," and encourage self-reliance, alternative viewpoints, and critical thinking in true No Agenda fashion.

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:24–02:00 – Trump ride-along & historical crime bill analysis
• 05:36–08:16 – CBS Skilled Labor Shortage report
• 13:44–20:26 – Operation “Raise the Colours,” UK immigration reactions
• 26:11–28:02 – AI Trump Red Carpet satire of EU leaders
• 31:00–55:21 – Ukraine/NATO analysis, Bolton’s Article 5 discussion
• 71:20–83:05 – China as puppet-master in world conflicts
• 83:18–97:52 – Stablecoin speculation, finance and global power
• 152:21–154:06 – Battery-powered ferry climate tech satire
• 175:01–187:00 – Vaccine policy and pediatrician conflicts critiqued

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For Further Engagement

• Full episode, art, show notes, and meetups: No Agenda Show
• Community: No Agenda Meetups

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End of Episode

This is not My Little Pony. — End-of-show ISO

“We go out, we hit people in the mouth.”

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Summary prepared using the original language, context, and tone of the speakers and formatted for clarity and accessibility for new or returning listeners.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

I don't need the aggravation of ear mold. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Thursday, August 21, 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1792.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a trilat. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we applaud President Trump going on patrol. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did I miss? He went on patrol. He went on patrol?

[Adam Curry]

No, he's going on patrol tonight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is he doing a ride along?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, in D.C. that's great. Came out this morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was great. Is that people in other cities are going, hey, hey, hey, President Trump come do that in our city. It's going to catch on. You watch it's going to catch on. They love it.

[Adam Curry]

Only catch on so far because he actually has the authority to do it in dc. He doesn't have the authority to do it in San Francisco to this extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but he has this about the crime bill, it's going to be the Trump. Hold on a second. The Trump crime bill, Batman. That's what it's going to be. And you only got to hope that it turns out right because other crime bills in the past, like that of 1992, it's not such a good deal.

[Adam Curry]

Although now they're kind of. The Democrats are kind of bragging about those old crime bills by Clinton and Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So. Well, you trip's not doing anything new. The crime was really reduced because of Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

The 92 crime bill, of course, incarcerated over a million black men for smoking weed.

[Adam Curry]

For weed.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the minute you see a kid on the front of Time magazine or, or Time website where you're holding a, an Uzi smoking a spliff, then you know that, then you know they're serious about the crime bill. Is that what it was?

[Adam Curry]

Lil?

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the kid's name from the 90s? Oh man. Mo Mo Mo, where are you when I need you? Lil? Lil.

[Adam Curry]

Lil. Abby.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was not Lil Abner.

[Adam Curry]

Lil Billy?

[AI Assistant (Error)]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Little Duncan.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Someone in the troll room should know by now.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was the Lil Yummy. Thank you. Lil Yummy. It was like a nine year old gang member. Lil Yankee. Lil Yummy was on the, on the COVID of Time magazine. And that was the whole impetus. No, that was when Hillary Clinton was out there saying, you know, these, she say degenerates no, it was something like that term. Hey, how good are we?

[Adam Curry]

Two forgetful boomers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that was, that was the. It was the Biden crime bill. I'm sorry, 90. Not 92. 94. 94 Biden crime bill.

[Adam Curry]

What was Clinton's phrase she used? It was exploitative. The term was synonym for exploitative. It was Clinton. I'd have to ask.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's only one way to go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got your buddy there. Why don't you ask her?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, 1994 Biden crime bill. What did Hillary Clinton call the perpetrators? Like Lil Yummy.

[Guest/Reporter]

Oh, she called them super predators.

[Adam Curry]

Super predators.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

We don't need to remember anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got Error. We've got Error here.

[Adam Curry]

Super predators. Error. Her name's Error.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's her name now. Error.

[Adam Curry]

Does she make mistakes, you think? Error. Error. Error.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, everyone's publishing articles now. It seems to be the new, new thing to publish articles about the AI hype being over. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that means it's not over.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm in agreement with you. When they say it's because, you know, it's Altman. Altman is coming out and he's saying, oh, you know the LA Times headline, say farewell to the AI bubble, get ready for the crash.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he never said say farewell to the bubble. He just said there is a bubble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I know this is the headline from the Los Angeles Times. I didn't. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they're making it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not in quotation marks. He's just saying it. He's just saying now.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's not saying that. He's saying it's a bubble. He's not saying the bubble's over. The burst.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct, Correct.

[Adam Curry]

They're the ones saying that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thing, though.

[Adam Curry]

And if I was a newspaper, I'd say stuff like that too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a little conflicted because I got a report from CBS which plays right into, I would Hope, the Gen Z's that you and I have raised in these past 18 years. Because we have raised a nation, John. We have raised a generation of smart thinking kids. This is where you say, yes, indeed, Adam, they're fabulous. And I hope that they have heeded our advice throughout the years through our complaints about lack of shop and home EC and other trades and apprenticeships. And maybe a few, maybe a few have thought about it because those who have listened to the Boomer show are about to get rich.

[Adam Curry]

Brandon Frey feels squeezed by two businesses trending in opposite directions. Data centers such as this one, he manages Outside Chicago, Pago hum. Along with soaring demand. Everything in here needs servicing. Everything in here needs service. Tech support, tech support, H vac support, electricians. But the supply of technical support he needs available 24, seven keeps shrinking. What your customers don't want to hear is we can't find somebody for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'S the last thing they want to hear.

[Adam Curry]

And that will be the last conversation.

[John C. Dvorak]

We likely have with them as a customer.

[Adam Curry]

Data centers now compete with factories and manufacturing plants for electricians and plumbers. As older blue collar workers retire, younger people look at college and white collar jobs. It's a growing labor crisis. Roughly 400,000 skilled trade jobs are unfilled in America. By 2033, it's estimated that number could hit close to 2 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now listen to the numbers. What kind of money you can make as a plumber with your butt crack. It's awesome.

[Adam Curry]

You got to be able to do more with less. Matt Roselyn, an executive for a software company called ifs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry. First you got to get some tech guy and shove it in here for no reason.

[Adam Curry]

In the story says new technology is one solution.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you can see this is changing dynamically.

[Adam Curry]

His company sells this program that helps companies route and reroute their fleet of technicians. You can take things like weather, traffic, different priorities and add that on top.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you think about the labor shortages that are out there and you want.

[Adam Curry]

To create more efficiencies and do more with less, this is how that's going to happen. Back at the data center, Dan Brown knows there's a labor crisis. We're always looking for good people to hire, but doesn't understand it. He told us. In Chicago, experienced H VAC technicians make more than $150,000 without student debt. The trace kind of got neglected, so now there's a void that needs to be filled and you're busier than ever. Oh, absolutely. Across the floor, electrician Kevin Fishback sees hope his local unions aggressively recruiting young workers for its apprenticeship program. They come into the trades and they got insurance, they got health care, they got a pension. That's an update with power for Brandon Fry.

[John C. Dvorak]

That this career path is out there.

[Adam Curry]

And it is a valuable career path to take. But for now, the data's in and it's unmistakable. Help wanted for I in America. I'm Mark Strassman in Chicago.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course we want to thank President Obama for telling everybody to learn how to code. Good job. Good job.

[Adam Curry]

Which was the worst advice ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks like good job, President Obama. No. And I Think you can still just jump in on an apprenticeship? I'm sure that there's plumbers and H vac companies out there that would.

[Adam Curry]

Would love probably a few. There's not as many as there should be. That's the real problem. The idea of apprenticeships has gone out of favor.

[John C. Dvorak]

The apprenticeship has sailed.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's gone out of favor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, when they see the demand for people, I'm pretty sure that.

[Adam Curry]

They'Re going to, oh, no, it has to come back. It's always been there. It's how it works. You really can't graduate from high school as a plumber. You can't graduate from college as a plumber.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

You have to be shown how to be one by someone who knows how to do it. Right. And professionally, I'll tell you, if this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gig comes to an end, I'm going into plumbing. Good to go. Good to go. Good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Plumbing 2.0.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yes. Meanwhile, we know that the bubble has to be kept afloat and inflating at all costs according.

[Adam Curry]

Bubbles can get bigger than a lot of people like to imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it has to because according to Bloomberg surveillance, we need it. How do you think about gdp?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, everybody is, I guess, redefined what reasonable is or what Jay Powell describes as solid when we're barely running the economy so far this year, barely over a 1% annual rate. I mean, when I started in the business in the mid-80s, you got down to a one handle on real GDP growth and people were talking about reasonable.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

People were talking about stall speed and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then asking when's the recession going to start?

[Adam Curry]

The economy, I think, is sputtering. It's uneven. You know, without the proliferation of AI data centers and all the technology spending related to generative AI, the economy would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually be in recession right now. Yeah, I believe it. I believe it. We need all these data centers and everything. Of course, it's unfortunate that people are paying for it and paying for your stupid chatgpt by your electric bill and utilities doubling. I wonder when that riot is going to start. It has to. It has to. People aren't going to take it anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's easy for you to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's easy for me to say because it's true. When people, when they're like. I think it was like In Indiana alone, 80,000 people got switched off because they couldn't pay their bill, which had doubled at a certain point. People get pretty antsy about that stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, who are they going to take it out on their City council.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their mayor, their city manager.

[Adam Curry]

The mayor and city council don't. City manager except in some cities. But generally speaking they don't determine the rates of the. Is PG and E, for example, in California, which is. Who's the head of PG and E? Work in some woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, hey, Louise. Luigi, Luigi. This is where we're at in, in our culture right now.

[Adam Curry]

No, they've suppressed that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, you are just so positive about everything going great, aren't you?

[Adam Curry]

I'm just telling you these things that are harder to. To do than ah. In California, people like what, what do people do with their high gas and electric bill? They stop using their power. And then they just say, okay, well let's freeze the death. You buy more sweaters.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right? Buy more sweaters. Put it in the red book. Riots coming. Riots coming. I'm telling you, it has to be that way. We're Americans ultimately.

[Adam Curry]

And then what after the riots, what are they going to do about it? PG and E can document that fact that because of their, because of their old power lines in the woods and the fact that they caught a bunch of places on fire, burned numerous millions of acres to the ground and is it their fault that the lines sparked because of a tree? Or is it the fault of the California people that don't do forest management anymore, they stop doing it. Or is it the fault of people like Gavin Newsom who drain this. He didn't drain the swamp, he drained the reservoirs. He actually tore down two or three dams. Whose fault is that? Is that PGE's fault? Is that the reason that the race have gone up? No, it's Gavin Newsom's fault. And who's riding against him? The Democrats are supporting him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you're talking about California the whole time. California is not America. That's a whole different California.

[Adam Curry]

That's the problem. California is America. You know, if California was Texas, we'd be better off. Although we're trying to be Texas. Oh, let's do whatever Texas is doing. Let's copy that. Oh, Texas is going to gerrymander like we always have done. So let's do our gerrymandering worse. Let's make us look like Massachusetts where we have no Republicans in any office whatsoever. You know, by cheating and then pointing the finger at Texas. This bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me give you.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I gotta say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me. All right, well, we'll get off the topic of California. Allow me to play a few clips here from what is happening in the United Kingdom, which is not has not come to violence yet, but it's brewing and I've been around long enough. I remember those thin British coming down from the north to London with their pitchforks and their torches. It was not a pretty sight. And it's beginning now with Operation Raise the Colors. Have you heard of this?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you got me on this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. This is Marshall, Winston Marshall. He's a YouTuber, but he's a professional YouTuber. Over the weekend, a quiet revolution swept Britain. And if you only watch the mainstream media, you might never have known. It is the Raising the Colours movement. Up and down the country, flags are being hoisted. Our streets are being adorned with the Cross of St. George, the Union flag. Even roundabouts are being painted. The good people of the United Kingdom, in their calm, collected way, standing up. And of course those of the establishment and the regressive left who are not completely ignoring this movement, are doing what they can to undermine it. You get something called Operation Raise the Colours. That sounds very military, it sounds very aggressive.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

People aren't putting up this flag to celebrate Britain.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're putting up this flag to remind us that Britain is white and we shouldn't be here. When the BBC reported on the roundabout, they ran the headline roundabouts vandalized to look like St. George flags. Contrast that with rainbow zebra crossings appear in resort. This morning, footage of Birmingham council frantically trying to paint over the St George's roundabout emerged. At least two councils are working fast to take down the flags because they are deemed, quote unquote, dangerous and to be putting the lives of motorists and pedestrians at risk. So the, the, the government and the mainstream, everyone's trying to cover it up. Don't show those flags. Take those flags. By the way, you try that in America. If the, if the city started to take down American flags, hmm, that would be.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that wouldn't go over.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would not go over. So listen to where this is happening. And of course how it started is kind of well known. There's a lot more going on here than meets the eye. The British are a people with a tradition of being subtle with their patriotism. That seems to be changing for good reason, which I'll explain. But let's have a look at how this movement came about. This does not come out of nowhere. Through July and August, anti immigration protests have taken place outside of government funding migrant hotels up and down the nation. London, Warwickshire, Solihull, Altringham, Bournemouth, Aldershot, Ashfield, Southampton, Portsmouth, Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool, Newcastle, Norwich. Criminal incidents by those claiming asylum in local migrant Hotels inspired the local communities to take the streets. Perhaps most famous of all was at the Bell Hotel in Epping, where protests were sparked by the arrest and charging of an asylum seeker, Hadoosh Kabatu, a 41 year old from Ethiopia who was accused of sexually assaulting a 14 year old girl. The alleged incident occurred shortly after Kabatu arrived in the UK via a small boat and he was residing at the Bell Hotel in Epping, Essex, which was being used to house asylum seekers. The protests began following his court appearance in July. This of course comes after years of pent up anguish and frustration felt by British people because of sexual abuse by legal and illegal immigrants, asylum seekers and communities of immigrant heritage. Most notably of course, the rape gang scandal. The 2023 Knowsley riots, which began because the police failed to deal with advances on a local girl by a man from a migrant hotel, were a violent early example of such protests. So this is just the UK starting this, you know, this is starting to bubble under in every single European Union member state. And okay, so that's just flags, but when the grannies come out, this is when you gotta be careful. The Pink Ladies are in effect. As with the grooming gang scandal, it wasn't just the illegal behavior and sexual misconduct of the immigrants which inspired the protests, but also the authorities mishandling of affairs. Now, amongst all of these latest protests were the Pink Ladies, British moms uniting to defend their daughters and children. And this really might be the turning point for Britain when the mums get involved. Serious. One of the organizers, Lorraine Kavanagh explains.

[Guest/Reporter]

We are mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters who wanted to protect our family. We don't hate these men. We don't hate these men at all. What we hate is what the government has done. You know, we witness pensioners going up to the local supermarket, getting a basket and looking for the red stickers for reduced labels to get a bit of meat. And then we witness these guys, 20s, 30s, getting three meals a day in an unlimited time. Four Stow Hotel in Egyptian sheets, you know, mobile phones. And now I'm understood. They get a 500 pound voucher to get clothing. And it's unfair. And that's why we were standing up, because it's unfair, not because of the men. No doubt half of them would know, go nowhere near our children, but not one of them women are going to play roulette with their child's life.

[John C. Dvorak]

You gotta watch out. When the British grannies come out, what are you gonna do? You know, mow them down? Yeah, shoot them Spray them with water.

[Adam Curry]

Always remains. Is that the similarity between. Besides even Drag Queen Story Hour, which appears in the EU appears in the Great. In Great Britain, or the fact that you have immigrants that are given cell phones and cash vouchers or credit cards in the EU in Great Britain and here. What is the connection? There has to be some sort of international connection because you don't have these phenomenon in these discrepant areas. Specifically in western areas, the United States, the UK eu the exact same phenomenon where migrants are invited in one way or another, given free cash, given free cell phones, given free accommodations here and there and everywhere. Who's coordinating this? Well, that's coordinated by the globalists. Yes, but who specifically? This is ridiculous. That nobody. I mean, I'm surprised that people have put up with this for as long as they have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it started a long time ago with political correctness where people were told to shut up, don't say anything mean or nasty. And it just got worse and worse. And then we threw in some BLM and everything with color became an issue. And cheap labor, ultimately it's cheap labor. And when I say cheap labor, not just in some factory of which there's not that much left anymore in Europe, but cheap labor in the kitchen, cheap labor to do your lawn, cheap labor to wash your car. Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap labor. Keep all of your kids on an. It's about money. Keep all of your kids in debt for education. You know, jack everything up. It's about money now. So who was that? Obviously the Jewish bankers. I mean, what answer do you want from me? We all know the answer.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, I don't think it's about. I don't think it's about money because there's these guys. Half of these guys are on welfare. The amount of it's. It's about breaking the backs of Western civilization.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

It's got. Not about money. I mean, there's the. These people aren't. I mean, half these migrants aren't, you know, doing the law on anybody's lawn. That's nonsense. I mean, people can do their own damn lawn. People can do their own laundry. All the things that they say, oh, well, who's going to clean your toilets? Clean your own damn house?

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you been to the UK recently?

[Adam Curry]

No, I haven't been since 2017. Okay. But that's fairly recently. And it was, it was pretty bad then, but it's accelerated.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's accelerated.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's accelerated. Accelerated under Biden in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

When they let in 20 million immigrants, yes. That didn't do anything but take over apartment complexes.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, stop. So then it's about political power. If you want to equate it to what happened here, we have a first row seat. It was about redistricting, getting more, in this case Democrat seats and, and illegal voters. So isn't it ultimately about power? And isn't power about money? Or is it just about power?

[Adam Curry]

No, power is about power.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they can sit there and stroke their white pussy and go, I control you all you plebs.

[Adam Curry]

Possibly, I think it gets closer to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then who, who is behind it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's definitely socialist Marxists, Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's it. And I think that is, I was thinking about this the other day, that the whole world, even humanity itself, naturally migrates towards socialism and Marxism until it's too late. And they figure out, oops, that wasn't a great idea. Because the alternative, which is a republic and freedom like the United States originally was, is not comfortable. It's a little scary. You might have to get your hands dirty to keep things the way you want it to be. So I think that it's almost human nature, like, well, you know, but I just want someone to take care of me. And the more that is allowed to happen, the more people feel comfortable with it until, you know, you realize you've built a prison up around you and you can't really get out of it. So yes, it is Marxist. Marxist is probably the best description because it's cultural Marxism. We went through that, man, we were talking about that in 2009, even when Obama came in. Oh, cultural Marxism. And that is now completely a thing. And ultimately the systems. And just look at our own political, our own representatives, like California. I think California is like, hey man, just take care of me so I can hang out, bro. Isn't that just human nature? And that was one of the great things about America is we said, no, we're going to govern ourselves and you can have a republic if you can keep it because it's hard. And then when you have the Marxist socialist government and system, well, that's great because the people who are chosen as so called leaders and representatives, they love it because it's never a problem for them. They make sure that they get their salary and they've got their health care and they've got their cars and they're taking care of.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is well and good. But let's go back to the original question, which is this is coordinated. You don't have Drag Queen story hour in Sweden and the UK and the United States. Out of the blue, you don't have the same exact formula for the immigrants coming. They get a credit card, they get a cell phone, and they get this, they get that, they get free housing. Like in New York is a classic example. At the Roosevelt, somebody there is a group that's identifiable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I can't identify them. I'm just saying they have to be identifiable that is behind the whole thing somehow. All right, he's managed to pull this off. And I think it's obligatory for us to figure out who these people are and name them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I hate to say it because you're not going to like my answer, but the true enemy of the people in this world is Satan. And we have a lot of Satanists running the show, running around doing all kinds of satanic things.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'll let that slide as a distinct possibility, but there's still actual people that need to be called out, named, pointed out and strung up. Literally. Okay, we've gotten that far. Well, just let's just name one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's start with the low hanging fruit Macron Starmer Queen Ursula Peepers go with those people. In fact, I have a clip here which kind of brings this all together because it's AI but it was so funny and so true at the same time. This is President Trump doing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is a good one. Yeah, this was turn out of the car.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So President Trump is doing a kind of like an E. Entertainment channel red.

[Adam Curry]

Carpet voiceover as not President Trump, not.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump, but President Trump. AI version is doing a red carpet voiceover of the arrival of the European Union leaders to the White House for the summit.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's see who arrives now. Guy they say is the president of Finland looking like the captain of a cruise ship. We need to get him a captain's hat later on. Okay, who the fuck is this guy? These Europeans all look like accountants. Yes, sir. I come to New York excess. Okay, thank you, sir. The British Prime Minister, they say this guy is gay. I don't know if that's true or not. I just think he's a dork. Hey, this guy is definitely gay. And his wife is a man and she beats him. Mm. Well, poor guy. Ah, Giorgia Maloney. I love her. I told her and Elon that if they ever have a kid, they better name him Iloni Maloney. Ursula. I like that she calls me daddy. They all should, when you think about it.

[Guest/Reporter]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

I come to see. See my American daddy. Yes, thank you. Very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's always truth in humor. You know, it's true that accountants, cruise ship captains, losers, weirdos, you know, how did they get there? That can only.

[Adam Curry]

That. That's actually the question of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

That can only be, how did they get. Corruption in voting. I think that. That the fix has been in so long on that everywhere. They figured that out a long time ago. And you know what? The people deserve it. We deserve what we got, too. And now we have President Trump, and now it's even hard for him to hold on to anyone supporting him because, you know, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Yeah. So that is a question I fear, unfortunately, will never. Will have to remain unanswered.

[Adam Curry]

Satan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's my answer. That is the enemy of the world.

[Adam Curry]

That's a nice answer. It doesn't help. That's not. I'll tell you this, it does if we all start to pray. It's not a helpful answer. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not for a lapsed Catholic, no. But it's okay. I pray for you too.

[Adam Curry]

You can pray all you want. It's not a good answer. It doesn't solve anything. Oh, okay. Well, say, what are you gonna do? It doesn't solve anything. That's the problem I have with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The United States of America has a chance of getting out of some of this nonsense unscathed. We really do. Particularly our.

[Adam Curry]

Well, tell that to the Roosevelt Hotel.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling it.

[Adam Curry]

Tell that to all the 20 million that all it took was one guy. Biden comes in, it doesn't know what he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It only takes one generation.

[Adam Curry]

Takes one guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's right.

[Adam Curry]

One guy, four years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you got to add Obama to it. Obama was a big part of it. He was a big part of. Took a generation. The millennials weren't paying attention. Can't blame them. They were psyoped into believing.

[Adam Curry]

No, they're total stooges.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were psyop. They were psyoped into believing that you need a college education and gender studies, and then you'll come out and you'll make $150,000 a year. Learn to code. And meanwhile, butt crack plumbers can do a buck fifty. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Learn to code.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a psyop.

[Adam Curry]

It's not my favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a psyop.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we fired your whole. All. The entire. The entire pipeline operations shuttered. You guys should just learn. You pipeline workers should just learn to code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do we have any. Oh, here's. Here's Joe Biden.

[Adam Curry]

I come from a family where. In an area where it's coal mining Scranton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anybody could go down 300 to 3,000ft in the mine. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

And help them learn how to program as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, you can learn how to program. You can learn how to program. And you can go down to mine. You can learn how to program.

[Adam Curry]

Guy can't even program his phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's get into this summit meeting for a moment because there are a couple of things I'll just set it up with. Unbelievably. Unbelievably. And I'm sure you have clips of this, right? You've got an analysis. Yes, you do. Bolton. Fart sniffing Bolton.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, my analysis is so off the wall that you blow out everything you can before we play it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. So Bolton. Fart sniffing Bolton. I'm not saying that flippantly. Wasn't he in a club where they sniffed each other's farts in New York, or was that just what. Yes, yes, I'm sure of it. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I'd like that. That's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

We talked about it on the show. No, yeah, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, go ahead, do your. Do your. Look up and see if you can find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I have here national security. Longest.

[Guest/Reporter]

National security.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go. Longest serving national security advisor. The question is, who was that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Who's she gonna bring on the show, is the point. Who is. She's backing up all these claims of hers and the fact that Tulsi's a horrible person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's she gonna bring on the fart sniffer? What's his name? The mustache man.

[Adam Curry]

Boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's his name? Fart sniffer. Listen, listen. So we understand there, there was a. A story that we've discussed that he would go to some club in New York where they would sniff each other's farts. Am I.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

I like the idea. It's funny. But let me find that you're defending it. You imagine that it's true is kind of disconcerting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, it was.

[Adam Curry]

Like they use that. There's the opening of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, there was a weird perverted club in New York.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, there you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll save that one. Ah, I've got it, Watson. Tennessee Williams was a part of this club.

[Adam Curry]

No. Okay, no, Tennessee Williams was part of a necrophiliac club.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's even worse than fart sniffing, I'd say. Anyway, we don't have to belabor the point of what Bolton does in his spare time, but he did do something interesting in.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he looks like a guy who Precisely. It's so that's the reason that the joke is funny. But to believe it to be true is like all over the top.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what, I'm just making it true. You do? Should we ask error? I mean, we can do that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Ask our buddy error.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Hey, error. Is it true that John Bolton belonged to a club where people sniffed each other's farts?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, two, three.

[Guest/Reporter]

Rumor that seems to have popped up from nowhere. There's no evidence or credible reports of John Bolton being involved in anything like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, you suck. See, AI is wrong again.

[Adam Curry]

She took her for. She actually did some digging.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had the channel closed. I didn't have her. I didn't have her open. Her mic was not open. Anyway, so here's Bolton and he does something interesting for the first time that I can recall in an interview. And this is npr. Putin's pretext for the full scale invasion.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

Of Ukraine was the possibility of Ukraine's NATO membership.

[John C. Dvorak]

NATO membership is a security guarantee. So given that, what indication is there that any security guarantee. Is there any, any security guarantee that President Putin would accept?

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a lot of loose talk in the west about security guarantees and many observers have pointed out we gave Ukraine security guarantees with the Budapest memorandum in 1994. That didn't deter Russia. Then people throw around this talk of.

[John C. Dvorak]

An Article 5 like provision. You know, Article 5 in the treaty of Washington created.

[Adam Curry]

NATO is famous for the line that an attack on one will be deemed an attack on all.

[John C. Dvorak]

And nobody forgets the line.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody remembers the line a little bit further down in Article 5 that says that each party will, will, and I'm quoting now, take such action as it deems necessary.

[John C. Dvorak]

I looked it up. That's true. We all have taken Article 5 at face value for the first line, not for the rest, which is, yeah, you know, but we got your back if we feel like it. Did you know this? Yeah, I didn't know this. I didn't know that it was still optional. I thought it was.

[Adam Curry]

Oh well, otherwise every time they missile accidentally, in fact the latest thing would. I don't know if I have a clip of it, of the, the rocket that hit or I guess it was a drone that landed in Poland in a cornfield. Yeah, but that was, it was all, you know, running with their hair fire over that. Yeah, I think that could have triggered the whole thing. You know, if it was, it could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have, but it did.

[Adam Curry]

But that it's not going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not. We're not going to have nuclear war. We're not going to have any of that. But as Queen Ursula let out on the last episode when she was doing her little love fest with the Zelensky in Brussels, it's going to be the Europeans. Now the question is, what exactly does that mean? And I, I think what they all want is they want hundreds of thousands of European Union troops to be in Ukraine, not on the border. We'll have a demilitarized zone. And the reason for that is they want to keep their war economy going. And we're going to be perfectly fine with that because we're going to be selling them all the dumb stuff they're going to be using for nothing. That makes nothing but sense. And then with a promise of EU ascension and we'll have to roust up some corruption, which. Ok, we'll see. Anyway, let's, since you've got an off the wall analysis, I'll give the anal our buddy Andrew Rasulas with his.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there he is. That's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Pure buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is your go to guy. People that don't notice, this is going to be, you're going to be hearing a lot from this guy the next six months.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because we like him. We think that he's, he's a former War Department guy in Canada and he knows what he's talking about. So and he has a pretty clear view of things. And it seems straight up good to.

[Guest/Reporter]

See you on these key days. And this is one certainly some of the true social posts I was just mentioning. I wouldn't mind beginning there because of the latest we've heard from US President Trump. Let's look at this. The one line he's written, President Zelensky can end the war with Russia almost immediately if he wants. He seems to be putting the onus entirely on Zelensky here, Andrew, what is he seeking to accomplish with this messaging?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think the messaging is that basically the overall parameters of a deal are coming together. Now, that is from Trump's perspective, but he's basically saying there's a deal to be made here. There's going to be concessions on territory.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, reflections of reality since Ukrainians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were not going to militarily retake their lost territories. And the key thing, your quote from Vidkov about the Russians making for the first time a concession on security guarantees, legal security guarantees for Ukraine. That's a new one. So I think from Trump's point of view saying there's the deal You've got it. Yeah. There is the deal, and the deal includes Crimea and whatever security guarantees you want. It will not be NATO.

[Guest/Reporter]

Okay, well, hold on for a second. We'll come back to security guarantees because this Truth Social post continues that there will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I just love, love how the. Anything on the Internet, Truth Social, X. What? Because if Zelensky's not posting, that'd be funny. If Zelensky posted on Truth Social, that would be cool. But instead he does it on X, you know, so this is now how the news operates. And President Trump's pretty smart with this. I'll give you my statement. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Guest/Reporter]

Post continues that there will be no getting back Crimea. And in all caps, no going into NATO by Ukraine. And again, for Ukraine deciding its future is.

[John C. Dvorak]

So all caps is. It's obvious. No NATO.

[Guest/Reporter]

You know, it's so essential to all of its demands.

[Adam Curry]

So again, what do you make of.

[Guest/Reporter]

That part of Trump's latest social media posting?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's a reality check here for the Ukrainians because the war started. The Russians attacked Ukraine over the issue of NATO enlargement. Up until right now, the Russian position has been that the war will only end when Ukraine becomes a, a neutral country that is completely not militarily connected to the west, whether politically or militarily. Now, the concession, apparently, that Vitkov is saying of a legal guarantee, bilateral, not NATO, but NATO style legal guarantee, that is a Russian change. They're actually saying Ukraine, what's left of it, can actually have a legal security guarantee with the west, including the United States. That's a fundamental shift, actually. That is big. And that is, that's a huge concession. And I think that's why President Trump is like, we got a deal here. We just, it can't, it can't be NATO. And by the way, just, just to recall, was it not Vice President Kamala Harris who went to the Munich security conference and started all this by talking about, yeah, NATO, we should put some nukes in Ukraine. Wasn't that her.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember her saying putting nukes in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I think Zelensky came right out of the, if I recall, I think Zelensky came right out of the Munich conference and said, oh, yeah, we should have nukes here. But she was saying NATO.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's always talking about nukes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. It's what he does. All right, question here, what he thought of the EU leaders. I think Meloni is really interesting to watch here because we've already Seen a quote, quote from her saying that in terms of these security guarantees, she's disagreeing with the French President Macron, who's constantly talking about bringing French forces at least.

[Adam Curry]

Or coalition of the willing forces into.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukraine after a ceasefire. Baloney's saying, no, the Italians are really.

[Adam Curry]

Not opposed to that because they're saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, there's X amount of Italians and there's Y amount of Russians. There's a whole bunch of more Russians. So she doesn't want to get involved in a potential war with Russia over Ukraine. So security guarantees one thing, but boots on the ground in Ukraine is another thing. So that's so Maloney is very interesting that way. I think from Starmer and Macron and Mertz, we're going to get the typical, yeah, we're going to boots on the ground. You know, Russia can't make a step forward, the hard line. But Meloni is actually the different one here. Listen just for a second so we can see if we can recall it from this clip from MSNBC about Kamala at the Munich security Conference.

[Adam Curry]

Lindsey, this speech was real. This was the single most significant speech by an American leader in the global forum, calling out Russian aggression and calling out Russia for disinformation since 1962, since the Cuban Missile Crisis by Adlai Stevenson. What we're watching right now with Vice President Harris is an American leader essentially telling the world we are almost on the brink of war and we have to stop that clip. What is he talking about? 1962, Adlai Stevenson.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

It's Kennedy. Okay, Adlai Stevenson had nothing to do with the Cuban missile crisis in 1962. He was a twice failed presidential candidate in 52. 52. I'm sorry, 62 is when the missile crisis took place. 52 is when he ran. He ran again four years later in 56, lost both times. One of the last times the same guy ran twice. He had nothing to do with anything after that. He was an Illinois governor. I mean, it was like, what are they talking about? Adlai Stevenson. What kind of a report is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's from msnbc. The More, you know, in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for correcting msnbc. Surprising that they had something wrong. I'm just trying to see if he mentions what Harris said since the Cuban.

[Adam Curry]

Missile Crisis by Adlai Stevenson. What we're watching right now with Vice President Harris is an American leader essentially telling the world we are almost on the brink of war and we have to resist it because it will destabilize our entire way of life. And that is a powerful message. This is not a normal speech. This is a serious moment for the United States and for Europe.

[Guest/Reporter]

So Joel, who's that message for? Who is Vice President Harris talking to? Is she talking to world leaders, the American people, Putin himself, Putin first and foremost.

[Adam Curry]

She's speaking directly at that conference to the allies who are looking to her and to the United States for leadership at this moment. And she's saying we have delivered, we are with you, we are unified. And that is not always a message. And she hinted at this that the United States has been giving certainly during President Trump. She's also making it clear to Vladimir Putin and look at this juxtaposition really, of the entire world, the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I don't know, I'll look it up for Sunday show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're not gonna find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you doubting Thomas? You.

[Adam Curry]

No, she's not gonna. You're not gonna find it. Cuz she never did. We can't do that. We can't even suggest such a thing. And if she did, she's an. Well, okay, we're gonna go on, on a limb here. If she did, she's an idiot. Let's play the Poland stuff for a second, just as a break.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

The Texas, war, hot. Poland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry I said Texas because I got Texas clip. I went by, I'm saying Russia. Texas. What is Texas? You put me in the same category as Ken. Russia, war, hot Poland. At least 14 people are reported injured in an overnight Russian attack on Ukraine's Sumy region. This includes a family with three children aged 5 months, 4 years and 6 years old. That's according to Ukrainian officials who say Russia launched 15 drones in the attack on the Sumy region in the early hours of Wednesday. Meanwhile. Meanwhile, in Ukraine's Odessa region, firefighters were dealing with the aftermath of another reported Russian drone strike. Ukrainian officials called it a massive drone strike, saying it injured one person and caused a large fire. Over 50 emergency workers battled the flames.

[John C. Dvorak]

And in neighboring Poland on Wednesday, a.

[Adam Curry]

Military drone fell and exploded in a cornfield in the NATO member country. Polish officials. Officials say it may have been a Russian version of an Iranian drone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once again, we are dealing with a provocation by the Russian Federation with a Russian drone. We are dealing with it in a crucial moment when discussions about peace are underway.

[Adam Curry]

Residents in the area where the drone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Made impact recount the moment of the explosion. You're sitting there doing something on your computer, your wife's practically asleep, and then boom. To the entire house shakes.

[Adam Curry]

An attack on Poland would mean an attack on NATO, which could have serious consequences.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poland also directly borders Germany, which has.

[Adam Curry]

The highest GDP and is one of the most influential countries in Europe. Poland's defense minister says Russia's goal is.

[John C. Dvorak]

To provoke Western allies.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, yeah, that some drone went off kilter and landed in a cornfield. Big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also somewhat dubious because they determined that it was Russian from some fragments. And it's also exactly the kind of materiel that has been used in Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm sure it's completely dubious. By the way, he did mention Germany in there. And did you notice Maloney sitting between Trump and Mr. Peepers, rolling her eyes and just going, she did everything short of sticking her finger in her mouth. Listen to this. And making a puke sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to the Polish army, no airspace violations were detected from Ukraine or Belarus. Police discovered charred metal and plastic fragments scattered across the cornfield. According to newspaper respos polita, the wreckage may be From a Russian Shahed 13136 kamikaze drone, the type commonly used in Ukraine. So, you know, not necessarily enough evidence to get NATO to invoke Article 5.

[Adam Curry]

They're not going to invoke Article 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not. Cornfield attack, cornfield. They're hurting our cornfields.

[Adam Curry]

Now, here's a part two.

[John C. Dvorak]

At a time when President Trump is doing everything to bring about this peace and Ukraine is open to concluding this peace, the provocative strategy and hybrid war continue.

[Adam Curry]

So far, Russia hasn't commented on whether.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poland was the intended target.

[Adam Curry]

It really like they're going to comment. Hey, you were targeting that cornfield. Come on, be honest.

[John C. Dvorak]

So while the first clip was playing, I read through the. The transcript of what Vice President Harris said, and she did not say specifically, NATO is going to defend Ukraine, but it was so implied. So. But it was enough. It was enough at the time Putin said that, hey, it's because of your stance that we did this, because you were starting to rattle the floor.

[Adam Curry]

She's just as responsible as anyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is what I wanted to point out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you got that part right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's her fault. It's all her fault.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she didn't do anything to stand it off, stand it down. That's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Let's listen to. Well, I have. I have NPR's Morning Edition report of the coalition of the women.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God, the Morning Edition is getting worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's what we have from Brussels.

[Adam Curry]

Terry Schultz joins us now to talk about the challenges Europe Faces with so many factors still dependent on Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, Terry, how have European leaders been digesting the events from dc?

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, quickly is the best way I can describe it. It was less than 24. Quickly, hours after those meetings at the White House, that the EU leaders who'd been present there were back here in virtual sessions debriefing their counterparts. And that urgency just goes to show how high stakes the situation.

[Adam Curry]

Stop clip. They're the leaders, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

They are the leaders, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Who are their counterparts then? Who would be a counterpart? If you're the President, do you have a counterpart, another. Another guy above you or even equal to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, there's 27 member states, so maybe the other. The other people like the Poles, Hungarians.

[Guest/Reporter]

And that urgency just goes to show how high stakes the situation is for Europe. They had both a meeting of this coalition of the willing that some 30 countries which have expressed their readiness to physically help support a ceasefire in Ukraine. And they had one with just the 27 EU member countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump has made it pretty clear.

[Adam Curry]

That he wants Europe to take the lead on Ukrainian security.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's our understanding, right?

[Guest/Reporter]

That's right. And they more or less already decided that themselves before Trump became more supportive of Ukraine. But now the President has confirmed it many times over. And the good news for the Europeans is that Trump is now pledging for the first time to help with these security guarantees for Ukraine. Chairing the meeting of EU leaders, European Council President Antonio Costa said Europe is actually now working hand in hand with the eu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their commitment to participate in the security.

[Adam Curry]

Guarantees with the Europeans and other like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minded countries is a very important step.

[Adam Curry]

A very welcome step.

[Guest/Reporter]

Now, Costa says there's still a difficult road ahead, but Europeans are feeling reassured by the new U.S. support.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course, we don't really know what it means. Is it boots in the air? Is it? Yeah, we'll do some flybys, you know, maybe we'll drop some supplies. It's very. It's not clear what we'll get, what we're going to do. I predict we'll be doing very little other than dropping off the orders. What did you order? He ordered some tanks. Here they are.

[Adam Curry]

And we're doing. What do you got? Do you want fries with that?

[John C. Dvorak]

We're flying them in.

[Adam Curry]

How might this look, though, practically? I mean, this coalition has been meeting for months without the participation of the.

[Guest/Reporter]

US well, and also without even a basic outline of what a final peace deal might look like between Russia and Ukraine. So what would be the rules and protections and obligations of such A mission on the ground. In addition, it's been hamstrung since it was created by the US Lack of support earlier, which is really critical both in terms of capabilities such as intelligence sharing and surveillance, where the US Is dominant, but also the deterrent factor, sort of the stick that you have with an agreement backed by the US Especially in the eyes of the Kremlin. So now discussions will take a new, more optimistic shape.

[Adam Curry]

Now, President Trump says no U.S. troops would join this mission. So how willing are Europeans to send their people into Ukraine?

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, that's a huge unanswered question because it's not clear whether this mission would be to sort of monitor a ceasefire or reach, enforce it or defend certain lines. And those verbs all mean very different things, carrying different levels of danger for those deployed. In general, European countries are going to have to send forces, and it seems about 10 have committed to doing that so far. But some options are much less palatable than others. And if this is a small force that's just there to deter Russia re attacking Ukraine, this is sometimes described as a tripwire force. What happens if it is attacked? We don't have any answers yet. Or are we going to need to see hundreds of hundreds of thousands of European military personnel armed to fight back? Yes, I think that's pretty unlikely.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it's very likely. And they have to. There is a very high unemployment level in the European Union. People have no work. There's only one thing left to do. Constrict. What's the constriction? No, constriction.

[Adam Curry]

Constriction. Conscription.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like. Constriction is the same thing. Conscription. Thank you. Yeah. It has to be a military draft. They're already talking about it in Germany and nobody wants it, but okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, the German. The German youth do not want to fight for Germany or anybody else for that matter there. It's something that they did a survey. So, like only 20. 20, maybe 30% at the most.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Would take up arms for Germany.

[John C. Dvorak]

So 30.

[Adam Curry]

That's how much they hate their own country.

[John C. Dvorak]

30% will go into the military. And 20% will be. Well, not actually more than that. It'll be 50% women who probably won't have to go. And the 20% of men who don't want to go, they're going to be doing podcasts. I mean, there's nothing else for them to do. There's nothing else. And. And that's what you need. Like, hey, do you want to have a good pay, go into the Luftwaffe and get in there and it's going to be every single country and it'll be a pretty good gig because nothing's going to happen other than some fear mongering. I think Russia likes it. We're probably going to do some great business with Russia. That's what I think is happening here. President Trump, President Putin, like okay. Or whoever that is because man, that guy, the pictures of Putin, it just doesn't look like Putin anymore.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, somebody pointed out something because we have a few fake. First of all, a little backstory. Mimi's working with a guy in Los Angeles to produce a book, a memoirs of that this guy's doing. I'm not going to say who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, another book is this. We got a bunch of Gateway Publishing.

[Adam Curry]

Gate view. Gate view.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gate view. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Marketing. Marketing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marketing. Gate view. I'll never forget.

[Adam Curry]

Now, one of his best friends was Kennedy's double.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And he was so apparently was incredibly depressed when Kennedy was assassinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he lost his gig.

[Adam Curry]

He lost his gig. So some one of our producers pointed out in an email this morning saying that the fake Trump is up and around because the fake Trump has a tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm a little dubious about this, but it's possible.

[Adam Curry]

I am dubious about it too, but I just like it. I'm just going to say it. People can figure it out for themselves. I'm dubious about all the fakes, by the way, except for that Hillary. That one with the purse on the wrong side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Short squat woman, daddy long legs, Biden. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and the double Biden. Yeah, the brothers. At least three bison.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's two out of four now.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, okay. Well, half of them might as well just go all the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all fakes. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So this Trump says that when he's talking in third person, he says the Trump administration. He refers to the Trump administration when the real Trump always says my administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, but that's speech written. Well, maybe not that well. It's something to look out for.

[Adam Curry]

I just say was an interesting tell. If true, it's possible now because you know, Dick Gregory had this back in 2015, 2016, before he died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He talked about the thesis that there was two Trumps and one of them, he says the real one always wore the red tie and the fake one wore blue tie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And that's when Trump only appeared with those two ties. Now he wears pink, he wears yellow, he wears all kinds of ties.

[John C. Dvorak]

Allow me to play that clip a few weeks first. There's two Trumps Okay. The one in the red ties.

[Adam Curry]

The real one, the one in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blue tie is not the one you saw last night after the victory was the blue tie.

[Adam Curry]

Now, if you would punch up Dr. Carson. Ben Carson, when Trump called him a pedophile and the next day, he joined.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump, and the guy asked him, see.

[Adam Curry]

Every now and then you slip and say something. He said, why'd you do that? He said, there's two Trumps. I was with the good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You see it there?

[Guest/Reporter]

Just.

[Adam Curry]

Just punch up. When. When somebody interviewed him, he said, there's two Donald Trumps.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's easy to pull up. You know, there's.

[Adam Curry]

I forgot about the Ben Carson anecdote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. There's a different theory, which I quite like. And the only reason I bring it up is because this clip kind of.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, we're the only podcast and the best in the universe, of course, that talks about body doubles when it's a known fact that they're used to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

The theory goes that the elites have long since perfected the art of cloning, ever since that stupid sheep Dolly. Dolly, the she. I'm just a strange stretch. Ever since I met that dog, I thought it was a sheep.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. I met the first clone dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And what did he say?

[Adam Curry]

Hi. He said, hi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. But I'm just saying because the theory keeps coming back, and people email me this very seriously. So I take these things seriously because they clearly believe that. That it's. If not possible, that it's true, and that many celebrities already have their clones. And of course, they need to shut up, otherwise, you know, they'll have to do all the work themselves. That would suck.

[Adam Curry]

Heaven forbid.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that the real Putin. This is the story. The real Putin, the OG Putin, is dead. He died because, remember, he had cancer. He had leukemia.

[Adam Curry]

They kept trying to kill him in train wrecks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. They kept trying to blow him up. So he used dead. But luckily, luckily, they had the clone. And President Trump himself in 2022 kind of alluded to this.

[Adam Curry]

Do you respect Putin? Well, he's a different person. I'll tell you something. I got along with him, and look, I got along with him, loving this country, and he loves his country, okay? But he's a different person than he was. He seems to be different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is he same? He looks different?

[Adam Curry]

He's a different person. It just doesn't seem to be the same person I was dealing with.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. There you go. He's a clone.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's an interesting clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem I have with it is why haven't they. If they can make a clone, why haven't they perfected it? I mean, I've heard the reasoning behind it that it kind of actually looks like the person. It's not a clone if he doesn't look like him, if he doesn't think like him, if he doesn't act like him. It's not a clone. It's detectable.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you're gonna. I can see the rat. You. I can see somebody coming up with reasons. I mean, for one thing, the developmental aspects of a person, you, you can develop worry lines or using aging, just normal process of getting older and older. You, you know, you might get a bad habit that creates a line in your face, or you ate too much and you're getting a chubby face. I mean, there's all these variables that you, you can't control in terms of making a copy. So you might have what somebody should ideally look like genetically. They'd look like this if they hadn't, you know, chubbed out when they were in their 30s and then lost a lot of weight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Congratulations. You have nailed the theory of clone difference to the teeth. It's exactly right. Because even though you can make the clone, you can't control what the clone eats and the different environment they live in versus their original DNA donor. That is exactly the theory. That's how it goes. And who knows if that phone call was the real Trump. We don't know anything. Breaking news. Nobody knows anything. I don't even know if you're.

[Adam Curry]

That's the basic thesis of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't even know if you're John C. Dvorak anymore. I haven't seen you in a couple years. I don't know. They may have replaced.

[Adam Curry]

Could be a clone myself. Well, that's why I'm talking like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they nailed it on the attitude, so good job. Science.

[Adam Curry]

That's all it takes. It's just genetic. Nothing you can do about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, Reuters went to the much more important things of the summit meeting. Obviously, Reuters, they would take the high road.

[Guest/Reporter]

Another talking point from Monday's White House meeting. That suit.

[Adam Curry]

President Zelensky, you look fabulous in that suit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zelensky's black shirt, shirt, and blazer combo certainly made diplomatic waves as well as keeping Donald Trump and journalist Brian Glenn happy. He was the one who called out.

[Guest/Reporter]

Zelensky for his attire in February. Behind the new look, Ukrainian designer Viktor Anisimov.

[John C. Dvorak]

He told us he didn't tailor the look for Trump or anyone else. He Says a leader should look dignified. And that's.

[Guest/Reporter]

And it was all very last minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Isimov saying that he was working on alterations until just before Zelensky flew out to Washington. I love that Reuters actually went through the trouble of trying to find the designer of the suit.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's interesting because they tried to. At least Fox tried to promote it as they bought the suit that day at one of the clothing stores in New York or in Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like H and M off the rack. That's meant to. That's just Fox. That's just Fox being Fox. Yeah, but.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay, makes sense. It doesn't take that long. You know, if you're in Asia, for people out there who. If you ever travel to. Anyone out there wants that goes to Korea. I'd say even Taiwan to a lesser extent. But Korea is the main place they have soup makers in. In Itaewon district. There's a bunch of these clothing places.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. John, you used to have your shirts made. Tell them about the pipes pocket.

[Adam Curry]

And I would have. Well, I wasn't going to talk about the shirts.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are now.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I used to have custom shirts made and I always had a Perry Ellis pleat put in the shoulders, which was. No one else will do anyplace else. What do they do in Hong Kong too?

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of pleat?

[Adam Curry]

It's a pleat that's on the. On the shoulders that I noticed. And Perry Ellis shirts used to have. I noticed it on a bartender once and I asked him because it has a certain look to it. It's a beautiful look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imperialla is the name of the Perry Ellis. Oh, Perry. Ell Ellis. Perry Ellis. The Perry Ellis cleat. Okay. Pleat, pleat, pleat. Okay. Perry Ellis.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just trying to get it anyway so you can have this done. So I have these shirts made with that pleat, which is technically illegal. Yeah. But the. Because it's copyrighted or something. But anyway, so I always had my. The shirt pockets were the exact same size as a cd. So when you go to a party and you want to steal somebody's CDs, you could easily slip them in the shirt pocket. They go right to the bottom. Bo. No one would even know you had them.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many CDs did you wind up stealing?

[Adam Curry]

I never stole one. I just. Just in case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just in case you need to.

[Adam Curry]

If I had to, I had the. I had the means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Copper disc.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So there's big pockets. Because pockets look a little large.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the question is, was it a 5 inch floppy no, it was a.

[Adam Curry]

CD with the jewel case. It had to be. It was the size of his jewel case cd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, that guy's got some awesome tunes. I'm gonna steal his cd. You're a treasure. Oh, yeah, and by the way, I would be all for clones of us taking over the show. I'm good. Put me in a tiny home. Perfect. Let's go.

[Guest/Reporter]

With growing doubts about America's willingness to defend its allies, especially under President Trump, some lawmakers are now discussing hosting, sharing, or even developing nuclear weapons.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just threw that in. Wow. They just threw that in.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they're just asking for trouble. Ok, well, we're ready for my three clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Well, hold on.

[Adam Curry]

You got any more? Because you get them out of the way because that's what this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be done after this. I know. Last one from Reuters about the whole security deal.

[Guest/Reporter]

President Trump is weighing whether to offer.

[John C. Dvorak]

US Air support, potentially including fighter jet. What is up with the. This is Reuters. They're a news agency. They're kind of dramatizing everything.

[Guest/Reporter]

President Trump is weighing whether to offer.

[John C. Dvorak]

US Air support, potentially including fighter jets, to guarantee Ukraine's security in any future peace deal with Russia.

[Guest/Reporter]

Military planners in Washington and Europe are exploring options for post conflict security security following Trump's meeting with Ukraine's president and.

[John C. Dvorak]

EU leaders, which ended with plans for direct talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin.

[Guest/Reporter]

Steve Holland has more on the US Calculations.

[Adam Curry]

One of the things they're not considering is putting U. S. Troops on the ground. That idea bubbled up in the last few days and President Trump has basically shot that thing down. But other ideas that are possible are the United States providing air support, support for whatever peacekeeping buffer is there along the border.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's also the possibility of supplying air.

[Adam Curry]

Defense systems to Ukraine to protect them from these drone attacks, missile attacks from Russia. Theoretically, if there's a halt to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fighting, these people would be there on a peacekeeping basis. Another option, according to two sources Reuters spoke work with, is sending European forces to Ukraine, but putting the US in charge of them.

[Guest/Reporter]

Whatever is worked out, President Trump will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Need to allay fears. Domestically, the American public is largely supportive.

[Adam Curry]

Of Ukraine, but they're also leery of more foreign entanglements. Trump was elected on one of the notions that he would not involve the United States in overseas conflict. He has stuck to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by ruling out troops, he's trying.

[Adam Curry]

To stick to that as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

But his MAGA base of supporters, they.

[Adam Curry]

Are really against this sort of thing. So Trump would have to provide them Some sort of reassurances that the United States is not going to get into a hot war against Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because otherwise Dave Smith will get angry and Scott Horton will freak out. How's that Middle east war going against Iran that we were going to be in?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, those guys are nuts. Yeah. By the way, you took me off the track with that shirt story. I meant to talk about getting a suit, tailor made suit in Korea.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Which is what people can do if you go to. And I was saying if you go to Korea, make sure to go to this district. There's a number of stores that do this. Shop around because there's about the price differ. Differs a bit. But you can get a tailor made suit for about 200 to $250 dollars and a tailor made sport coat for 150. They'll fit you and then do the adjustments on the same day. You'll have a complete suit the next day. It doesn't take forever. If this, if they have the infrastructure. So the idea that Zelensky had to go for a million, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but this down. But this is haute couture, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ukrainian fashion, I'm sure. You know, know what I am going to tell you right now that in the next Paris fashion shows, I don't know when they're coming up fall, maybe the fall fashion show, they're gonna be black on black. There will be Zelensky inspired fashion. It'll be from some previously unknown Ukrainian fashion designer and people will love it. Oh, this is fabulous. Very much. Very Zelensky of you. Very Zelensky. Very Zelensky of you.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, let me just say trolls dunk go. They said, oh yeah, dunk on the pro peace people. We're anti war and pro peace too. Doesn't mean that some things.

[Adam Curry]

No, those. Well, I think the pro peace people in many instances as proven by these next three clips, may be just stooges. And I would say this chat room probably has more than a few, few stooges for China.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Because that's what the bombing of Iran was about, in my opinion.

[Adam Curry]

Now let's, let's. This is a, an analyst who's in the intelligence side of things. So he's a little different in his approach to thinking about China. But when you think of when they're talking about the situation going on in Ukraine and you're talking about trilateral, what is what comes to mind?

[John C. Dvorak]

When I think about the situation in Ukraine and I think about Trilateral. Now this is a, this is a riddle I don't know if I can solve.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it shouldn't be hard for you to say. It means that the Russians, the Ukrainians and Trump are going to get together in a trilateral three way meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, a threesome.

[Adam Curry]

That's what everybody thinks trilaterals to all about. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be Right, right, right, right, right. You can't end the sentence with right, right, right, right.

[Adam Curry]

You can't. You're right, right. So not according to this analyst. This guy has a different look at things and he thinks that this war is designed to drag on and he's got his own reasons. This is quite an interesting analysis which nobody has even discussed or come close to. This is the new Russian. Russian try lat one.

[Guest/Reporter]

And joining us now to discuss these latest developments is National Security Advisor and China analyst Casey Fleming. He's the CEO of Black Ops Partners. Casey, as always, thank you so much for joining us. Now all eyes are on how the Russia Ukraine conflict is going to end. Russia has just indicated it wants a trilateral with India and China. What could this mean in terms of Putin ending or continuing the war in Ukraine?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think what we're at, looking, looking at, and my team thinks that what we're looking at is an extended peace negotiation. We've got two sides. We've got the United States and Ukraine who want an immediate end to the war. And you've got the other side which is China, Russia and other other allies of China and Russia who want to keep it extended. And they play the long game. So we want to play the short game to a quick ceasefire and a quick peace agreement. But the other negotiators, the adversaries, want to keep it much longer. The CCP is the wild card in this thing. The CCP plays the long game. They want to keep Russia engaged in Ukraine, therefore the US engaged in Ukraine to keep us distracted along with the Middle east and potentially another war that pops up either Taiwan or North Korea. So the game for the CCP is to keep the United States States very distracted so they can continue their extreme aggression throughout the rest of the world. Oh well, this doesn't surprise me that, that the, the NTD China haters would see this as the angle that's, that's not so surprising.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I agree 100 with the NTD China haters because of course, of course they're totally on board.

[John C. Dvorak]

China, China is running away from everywhere. I just read that Angola, but you.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe have been duped.

[John C. Dvorak]

What that 300,000 Chinese are fleeing Angola because the Angolans are sick and tired of their belt and road lies.

[Adam Curry]

You may be, maybe that's not, maybe you been duped. Oh, I mean I agree that this is NTD China. This is. Well that's the reason I have these clips. This is the worst case analysis. It's not like best case. Okay, okay, well it's good worst case analysis looking at China as the bad guy in everything you do, everything you see, everything you eat, everything you buy is China best price. And so it's okay. So we'll continue with that thesis in mind.

[Guest/Reporter]

Now on that note, both China and India have been buying Russian oil which the US says has been helping to fund the conflict. Although India has been buying less so since President Trump slashed additional tariffs on Indian exports to the US over its Russian oil and gas imports. But reports note that China is involved with more than just economic support. Some note the no limits partnership that was struck right before the invasion. What has been China's role here?

[John C. Dvorak]

China's role has been very supportive of Russia. You remember that they created a very strong alliance and agreement until friends until the end. End before they ever, before Russia ever went into Ukraine. So there's a strategic partnership there, at least for now, where they are aligned against the United States and to remove the United States as a global superpower and for the CCP's eventual rule of the rest of the rest of the world. So it's a partnership that we cannot ignore. The CCP is the wild card in, in this situation. They are the grand puppet master with Russia, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea underneath that and to a little bit of an extent India as well. So it's China is the wild card. They want to keep this war going as long as they possibly can. And if there is a temporary ceasefire or temporary peace agreement, it will be temporary. Okay, and does he explain just how China is going to keep this war going as long as possible? I mean are they going to do that through their, their misinformation through. But what are they going to, what tools do they have for this?

[Adam Curry]

Tucker Carlson.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean Tucker Carlson? Is he a pro China guy all of a sudden?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think. I think there's a lot of unwitting dupes. You named a couple of them, the so called peaceniks, the people in the chat room that condemn us when in fact we're the peaceniks.

[John C. Dvorak]

But why. Okay, hold on, I'm with you. I'm just trying where to look for this. What it they're clearly not getting a phone call saying, hey, best price, say what's going on?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think a good example, I think a good example is Mr. Peepers at the sit down with Maloney in the middle rolling your eyes. And he's going on and on about how we should demand a ceasefire instead of the peace agreement. And the ceasefire is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm with you on the European Union stooges for sure because we.

[Adam Curry]

Know it just by what we know, which is the ceasefire is a non starter for Putin because he knows that all that means there's just going to be a pause so Ukraine can regroup and re attack. And so they can't have that and they're not going to do a ceasefire under the circumstances. But yet why is Mr. Peepers pushing it out of the blue, knowing full well what happened happened with Trump and Putin, but he's yak, yak, yakking it right there with Maloney in the middle. So I say the Chinese have got their. And like this guy says they're puppet masters. They got these puppets and the puppets are everywhere according to him. And I think there's some evidence of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, first of all, Maloney in the middle just sounds like a cool, cool game. I mean it's like spin the bottle on steroids. Maloney in the middle, middle. Well, I'll ask you the question after you set up your, the last clip of this. And I have a question. Okay.

[Guest/Reporter]

And speaking of alliances, Casey, what about the North Korean troops fighting alongside the Russians? How should we read that?

[John C. Dvorak]

The strong alliance. Like I mentioned, China is the grand puppeteer, the grand master puppeteer with, with Russia, Iran, Pakistan and North Korea underneath that piece of, of it. And just to add a little bit of confusion and a little bit more complexity, underneath Iran you have the terrorist organizations. So this is all a master plan by the Chinese Communist Party. I think we as a government, we as a country in the free world underestimate China. We all have a long history of underestimating the Chinese Communist Party and it's high time that we understand just how critical their role is in the future developments of the the world.

[Guest/Reporter]

Expand on this for us a little bit. What is China's goal in terms of the Russia Ukraine war here? Is it in the Chinese regime's interest for it to continue?

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. They are supplying Russia with finance, buying Russian oil and military armaments, including drones. So they're fully engaged again. They want this, they want this war to continue indefinitely. Hold on a second. That's very interesting. And I'll tell you why. Let me hear that last, the first.

[Guest/Reporter]

Bit on that for us. A little bit. What is China's goal in terms of the Russia Ukraine war here? Is it in the Chinese regime's interest for it to continue?

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. They are supplying Russia with finance, buying Russian oil and military armaments, including drones. Drones. The reason I pick up on that is because that is a main. Was a main talking point by Queen Ursula in her Zelensky love fest where she said, well, you know, it looks like there's going to be mainly drones that we're going to be building in Ukraine. So it's a twist. It's a twist around to think of it. But maybe she's also in on this and like, well, you know, there's just going to be lots of drones because China's going to do drones and we might as well do drones. And we'll just keep this a drone thing because it's a big money maker for my overlords in China. That make any sense?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yes, could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so they're fully engaged again. They want this, they want this war to continue indefinitely. So it keeps us distracted, keeps us spread very thin from supporting, you know, two, three wars around the world. So CCP has ultimate designs. I think when you have to look at it, they, they want to rule the world completely in their 100 year plan, which ends in the year 2049, as Xi Jinping and the CCP have been overachievers, you might want to forecast that being year 2035, which is 10 short years away. And here's a quote from me. The world will be won or lost within the next 10 years. That's from our analysis of what's been going on and we've been in this game quite a long time. Hmm. Well, here's my question. If we have Stooges and I'm not going to go for podcasters or trolls in the troll room, but let's say Peepers. Maybe Ursula. Ursula is corrupt. We know that because of. Just look at the text gate with Pfizer. She's clear. And she's not elected. She's just showed up all of a sudden from Peepers land. Yep. At. So what is the incentive for them? That has to be money. You're not telling me that they're in adjust for the power?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a good question and I don't know the answer to it. There is an incentive of some sort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money. I mean, don't they just want to have lots and lots and lots of money and Just be, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that they would have that type of attitude, I'm sure. Sure. Because, you know, everyone's always jealous of somebody. The billionaires of the United States and China, which has just as almost as many. And their luxury life. Life of luxury in their villas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Here and there they have them. Although our people don't do that so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. But they. They like having their hair done in Paris and flying around. And flying around. Flying around, flying around. Basically, by the way, a lot of them being extolled.

[Adam Curry]

Extolled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Extolled.

[Adam Curry]

Extolled. Oh, look at who. Hey. Hi. You know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Worshiped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Worshiped. Yes. Well, there's a plan afoot. If it's money. If it's money, then there's something. There's a plan here that. Do you mind if I do a little series here?

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I relinquished the floor because I gave you my screwball analysis that nobody else has even touched is good. And now you can do if you got something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I. And I'll also add to that, that.

[Adam Curry]

If it gets boring, I'll let you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't care, of course. Well, you'll let me know, but it won't stop me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, it never does make a difference. You just get irked.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not even going to get irked because I think you'll like it. But we do know that. Mark Ritter, Secretary General of. It's not my. It's not my series. It's not my series. Don't. Don't get, don't get too excited.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. It's not. Margaret. But he kept saying, well, you know, NATO, when they say, yes, we must. The United States must pivot to Asia, to the Pacific, must pivot to Pacific. So this, not only this just Russia now, but it must be the Pacific. So that is definitely on deck. And again, I think our general agreement is that the, the bombing of the Iranian nuclear facilities was to send a message to China. And it seems to have worked. Worked. It ended. And President Trump even sent the Israeli jets back, you know, because who's in charge there? You got to wonder. Anyway, so this starts off with Besant, our Secretary of the treasury, who said, oh, no way. I don't want to be the Fed. I don't want. President Trump even said, oh, he loves what he's doing. He wants to be the. He wants. He wants to be right where he is. No, he does not want to be a part the. Of. Of the Fed. And I think it's pretty clear that President Trump has his, his sights set clearly on the Fed and, and the power that they have. And everybody should be happy that that's being looked at because it sucks. It sucks that the Fed has so much power over our lives. So we start first with this is him with Kudlow and this is kind of not really discussed that very much, but this fore that we keep hearing about, oh, you know, 500 billion from these guys, 700 billion from these guys, everyone's going to be. That's not just a direct check that they write off to American companies. This is highly orchestrated. We have these agreements in place where the Japanese, the Koreans and to some extent the Europeans will invest in companies and industries that we direct them largely at the President's discretion. And how does that work? I mean, it's almost like an offshore appropriation. I'm not sure we've ever had anything like that in the States before. Have you consulted with, I don't know, the Senate Finance Committee or the House Ways and Means Committee or, or what? Well, Larry, I think a good friend of that is other countries in essence are providing us with a sovereign wealth fund. So, so they're going to buy our goods. Well, that's essentially what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, wait, let me step back.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to build our factories.

[Adam Curry]

They're going to help us to build new factories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which Mr. Trump loves.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the way to think about it is these huge surpluses accumulated offshore. Let's take Japan, we're going to have 550 billion and they will be reinvesting that back into the US Economy and we will be able to direct them as we reshore these critical industries. We are trying to de risk the US Economy from what we saw during COVID President loves new factories. He'll, he'll take rehabbed old factories and he loves new factories. So I thought that was rather interesting that basically, I guess the, the treasury is say, okay, here's where you're going to put the money. This is what you're going to do. If true but it sounds, and I'm sure that that's where tariffs and all kinds of other stuff comes into play that we're not told about. It's like, well, you don't want to put your money into these companies tariff. We're just going to mess with you with tariffs. So then it come this and thanks to Chris Fisher from Jupiter Broadcasting. He did a great series on these and I was, I was taken by it. And it's from Arthur Hayes He's a former Wall street guy. Deutsche Bank, Citigroup market maker and ETFs trader Citibank in Hong Kong. He's been around, but he also co founded Bitmex which is a cryptocurrency exchange. And he's widely regarded as someone who's smart. And he, he explains the stablecoin gambit under Besant and the control it will have over the entire world and how it will neuter the Fed.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

There's two pools of money which I think Besant via monetary policy and aggressive use of terrorizing sanctions can make people on board in the stable coins. The first is the euro dollar market.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

So you know, 1950s and 60s euro dollar market was created because of all.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just we've been through this before. But the euro dollar market is nothing more than dollars that are not in America but mainly traded in foreign exchange in Europe. And there's a lot of them. And once they're in a non American bank, there's really not much control we have over it. So that's the euro dollar as they call it.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

1950S and 60s euro dollar market was created because of all the regulations and prohibitions around interest payments and trade flows that the US monetary authorities are putting on commercial banks. And so you have these foreign branches of US banks and foreign banks saying hey, I'll take your dollars outside of US control. So we have this 10 to 13 trillion dollars market which nobody has any control over, oftentimes influences Fed and Treasury policy in terms of when dollars become expensive and cheap in the eurodollar market. And you can probably trace almost every financial crisis outside of the United States to euro dollar market flows. And these flows are not doing what best it wants them to do. He can't control them, he doesn't know where they are and he can't make them buy what he wants, which is treasury bills. So my idea, and maybe he'll do this or maybe he won't, I don't know is right now why do you feel comfortable in a euro dollar? Because every time your banking institution has gotten into trouble, the Fed, the Treasury bails you out, even if technically they shouldn't be doing it. So because you're of the discount window, don't follow us regulations, but we can point to many, many even 2008, the Fed secretly bailed out all these foreign branches of banks for all their bad trading policies to make sure the Eurodollar depositor was sweet.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the idea here is to have stablecoin flood the world, but not just floating out There as dollar equivalents but to have complete control over the users of it. Already 400 million people are using stablecoin throughout the rest of the world. And how Besant never wants to go to leave for the Fed because he can actually neuter the Fed and control interest rates through the stable coins backed by short term US Treasuries.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

So the first thing Besant should do is say hey guess what? If you don't have your money in a US branch of a bank or a US bank inside of America, you do not have a guarantee any longer. We will not come and save you anymore. So all of a sudden these dollars like oh okay, well there isn't this blanket government guarantee from the Fed and the Turkey treasury for these trillions of dollars that I have deposited on these banks. But I could put my money into a stable coin. And a stable coin means that the dollars are either a deposit at a US branch of a bank in America or they're holding treasury bills. So if you don't feel safe in your Deutsche bank account in Switzerland or wherever, just talk to your authorized participant and move these deposits over to a stablecoin coin. And now you have access to your dollars. You have the blanket guarantee of the US government. And guess what? You might earn a bit of a yield on your money because you probably don't get much of a yield in a Euro dollar deposit outside of America because the banks don't actually need your money and they have to pay capital charges because they Basel 3 and blah blah blah.

[Adam Curry]

Right?

[AI Assistant (Error)]

All the, all the bad things about why banks don't like large deposits. And so now you have a 10 to 13 trillion dollars TAM of money that could flow into stablecoins from a property abroad. And once you're in a stable coin, Besson has full control. He knows where you are, which bank, he knows where you're clearing your Treasuries. And the best part is he can offer you a yield that's lower than fed funds. So if fed funds is four and a half he can say oh guess what, I'll give you two on a six month T bill. And you say well I can't really do anything about that because I'm not going to go into a US bank deposit. The banks don't even pay you anywhere close to fed funds funds. So fuck it, I'll just buy the 2% that Besson offers. So Bessing can one fell stroke completely new to the Fed. And no longer does the Fed have any control over fed funds because Besson can offer the treasury bill at whatever price he wants, unconstrained by what Powell or whoever his successor does.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the control mechanism. Now how are we going to spread these stablecoin around the world and the United States so everybody starts using them. We harken back to Elon's everything app X money and not just him. What was that dumb Facebook coin that they almost got through?

[Adam Curry]

I remember the name of that thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was.

[Adam Curry]

I know. Who would know?

[John C. Dvorak]

Error.

[Adam Curry]

Error. Error. Error would know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Error would know. What was the name of the Facebook money that they tried to push through?

[Guest/Reporter]

So about the last bit. The Facebook settlement money payments from the 700.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, see, she's stupid.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she's dumb. She's a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Facebook had a coin they tried to push into the market.

[Guest/Reporter]

Oh you mean like the launch coin on the believe platform?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been okay. Has no answer for me. Stupid.

[Adam Curry]

Well that she should. The the corpus would have that information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. Stable face, whatever it was called. Someone will eventually maybe you dreamed it. The fart coin. Zucker box. No, none of that.

[Adam Curry]

Zucker bucks. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The libra. There it is. Thank you. Thank you. Weirdo. The Libra and everyone was all weirdo.

[Adam Curry]

The guy's name was weirdo.

[John C. Dvorak]

W I I I R D O Weirdo. So what could you do now to spread your stablecoin throughout the world?

[AI Assistant (Error)]

The US has ways. You have a lot of retail around the world in developed and developing countries. I live in Asia and you know basically the entire investment game out here in Asia is how do we get local currency into dollars so that they can buy higher yielding assets and equities. That's literally all of finance in Asia. And then every so often the regulators come after people and they basically put guy in jail and the boss stays sweet as they do. And that is the game. So best I could say, okay, guess what? We're going to deputize Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and give them protection to go and offer a stablecoin big account. And we don't care if a foreign regulator, whether banking or Internet regulator says we don't like this, we don't like that you're basically giving a dollar bank account to our entire, you know, underclass or anyone who's not a wealthy individual. And you know they don't care because they're sitting in Hawaii and Austin, Texas and Trump is protecting them. And if you go and you try to remove access to Facebook or X guess what? Sanctions just like what he what Trump threatened With Europe when they had their, their Digital Information act or whatever it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's how they'd spread it around. I'm total. That's of all the things he's saying. I'm like that makes a lot of sense. Sense. And looking at the genius act that would be possible if they, if they adhere to certain. But basically you have to have $10 billion in, in cash. Well that's possible. But now to bring it back around to the corrupt CCP influenced politicians. This is another perfect gambit for it.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

And then furthermore, Bessant finally has a sanctions weapon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

So if you're in Asia or a lot of stop.

[Adam Curry]

And I will say that I could call this a boring presentation, but it's interesting at the same time, which is interesting, but that's not why I'm stopping it. Who is this guy again?

[John C. Dvorak]

Arthur Hayes.

[Adam Curry]

And what's his background?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wall street banker and the founder of Bitfinex, a big cryptocurrency exchange. But he's a long term, I think mainly in Hong Kong. Deutsche City.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he says he's in Asia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, this is the last clip, so thank you for hanging in there.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

And then furthermore, Bessant finally has a sanctions weapon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

So if you're in Asia or a lot of developing world, all the elites essentially steal from their people and put their money in US banks in some way, shape or form. And so guess what? President or prime minister or parliamentary, if you don't allow western social media companies to bank all of your people with dollars, I'm going to sanction you and you're going to lose access to the billions of dollars that you stole from your people. And so guess what's going to happen? Nothing. And so I think that is how you're going to get sort of like 20, 25 trillion dollar TAM of money that could flow into dollar stable coins. And I think they're hinting at this already in terms of you have the major social media companies saying oh, we're investigating stablecoins and this, that and the other thing. And Besson's very pro on them. And then basically what does the stablecoin do? They're going to buy treasury bills and they'll buy whatever yield Besson offers. He could completely destroy the Fed. He could put short term rates wherever he wants it. And now he's got a sink of tens of trillions of dollars that he can essentially fund the US government with until they do some sort of yield curve control to bring down the long end.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until no Longer. Longer works, which is probably 10 years or so, but then it will no longer work. I think this is a decent thesis.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a fascinating one, that's for sure. And it also could be the, the. It could end the Fed, but it could also collapse on itself at some point for some reason unknown. Oh, easy and easy bring the entire world's economy to a whole halt, at least for a while, because you can't do it forever. But it could become the. The linchpin of the economy, which would be interesting to see. But I think the angle that you caught, which was the interesting thing that caught my attention, that made me want to listen to the whole thing, which is that yes, Elon Musk has been talking about making X a all in does everything for you kind of. Of monetary market of some sort to compete with. While stablecoin wants to compete with the Fed and with Swift Elon Musk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enter Russia. Russia comes back into the fold, which.

[Adam Curry]

Is what we want. We want Russia back in the fold. And then you have Elon wanting to compete with PayPal since he never. He always felt wronged in some funny way because they didn't. Didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they kicked him out. They kicked him out of PayPal. That's why he felt wrong. That's whenever people connect Peter Thiel to Elon Musk like those, there's no love lost between those two. That's why he spent millions ofdollars getting x.com back. Because he always wanted PayPal to be called X and they kicked him out. Probably because he was no good or at least for now.

[Adam Curry]

Or probably because he's annoying. I think he is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's just annoying.

[Adam Curry]

But he's got to be annoy. I mean, even Trump figured that out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And he's been very quiet. You know, where's his. Where's his new political party? I think he's been reading. Hey, shh. We're going to get you. We're going to make you the stablecoin queen. He's been very quiet.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, More or less. And he does. And he lets all the pro Trump activism go right through X. No problem. Never. You know, it doesn't get bumped off or anything. A lot of screwball stuff on X, I have to say. It's fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. I see you. Someone. Someone was like you, always complaining that you can't get past 100,000 followers. But you're not growing your account like Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

You're not growing my account shrunk again.

[John C. Dvorak]

But just the whole concept of You. You've got to grow your account, man, by posting a lot. That's how you grow your account. And when do I reap the harvest from this growth? When do I get.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's no harvest to be reaped, except it's just prestige. I would say that I'm going to subscribe. I got a check mark because of my numbers, but I am going to subscribe to X and I'll bet you my numbers go up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, now there's an interesting if. Oh, that's very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting, yeah, that's what my thesis is. You're going to spend. I've been waiting on it because when it stabilizes, I'm going to subscribe and then I want to see if my numbers. Because my number should technically go up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this will grow your brand.

[Adam Curry]

It'll grow the brand. The fabulous and valuable Dvorak brand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, man. Grow your account and your brand. This is beautiful. Well, if you can do it and if it works, I. All in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, we'll see. It's a test. Coming up. Coming up. Coming up. We're going to. I'll report back just to make sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't fall asleep. Breaking exclusive. Breaking exclusive. Breaking exclusive. Missouri AG Andrew Bailey being brought in for the future replacement of FBI director Cash Patel. I just love Alex. Breaking exclusive.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, well, first of all, he's deputy director, not director. Yeah, they're bringing in two new guys to be co deputy directors because as you well pointed out, that was the breaking exclusive on this show, you know. Oh, no, actually, Cash Patel is the director. I'm sorry?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he is the director. I know what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think of Bongino.

[Adam Curry]

Bongino?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Cash Patel. I think, like Bongino. He wants to pop out. He's tired of it. He didn't like it.

[Adam Curry]

No. Nothing better to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cash Patel. Yeah, he can do podcast.

[Adam Curry]

He's got nothing better to do. He's.

[John C. Dvorak]

He can do podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. Yes. He's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

People love podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they love podcasts, but he's, you know, you got to have some. Some chops.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I need to tell you my story. I went to the podcast movement in Dallas.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I went to the podcast movement in Dallas.

[Adam Curry]

Was it a bowel movement? Movement.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. So this is the big podcast industrial complex conference. Were you around when. Yeah, you. I don't know if you were around.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure I was around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you were around, but you were alive on this Earth, the first. So we had the New Media Expo, which always took place in. In California. What's that place that sounds like a Canadian place? Ontario. Ontario, California. And that. The New Media Expo. Then. Those guys were very smart, and they said, well, you know, this podcasting thing has taken off. Let's call it the podcast Conference. And they did their first one in Vegas, and we had POD show at the time. And so I don't know if you were there yet. And they said to me, hey, Adam, would you come and do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You've complained about this for a while. Well, this upcoming complaint that you're going to discuss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Just to reiterate, come and do the keynote. I'm like, I don't really like doing keynotes, but you invented it. Okay, fine. And they said, okay, I'll do the keynote. Okay. Can we put you down for a gold sponsor sponsorship? I'm like, what? Well, yeah, if you want the keynote, you have to be a gold sponsor, which I think was 10 or $15,000. I'm like, no. In fact, I won't charge you for a speaking fee for. For showing up. They have got enough. Like, ma', am, you're not supporting the industry. It's. You got all that VC money now. We did the true. You got all that VC money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you got VC money, but not to squander it. When you give a keynote, you should be paid to do the keynote, not pay them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. So bad, man. Like, no. And that got pretty heated. I said, we're not gonna. I'll do your keynote. We're not gonna do a sponsorship. Well, then you can't do the keynote. Well, fine. And what we then did is we took our $10,000 and we started an UN conference in the hotel right next door at the park pool with chicks and bikinis and drinks. I'm sure you would have remembered if you were there.

[Adam Curry]

I would have remembered that. So I came later.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it was the podcast unconference, and everybody was hanging out. We had the mixed drinks and beer, and it did not endear me to the podcast industrial complex. But we were rebels. Rebels, I tell you. So, of course, I never got invited to do anything with any podcast industrial complex, complex conference. Until, gosh, is it now? Three years ago, that podcast, you were.

[Adam Curry]

Blackballed for being a dick, Correct? Or not playing the game, but I agree with you. I think your thesis. I think you stood on proper grounds. You were doing it. You were professional. You don't pay somebody so you can give a speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I know you haven't done any conference speeches for a while, but that is now pretty much the entire game.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's why one of the reasons I probably haven't done any conference speeches in the last five plus years. At least.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least.

[Adam Curry]

If that's the game, I'm not playing the game. I don't have time for that crap. I can. I have a podcast to. To attend to and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, you do. You need to grow your brand. You're busy.

[Adam Curry]

I need to grow my brand on Twitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're busy doing things that are very important. Growing your brand. So three years ago, because of the out of the gate success of the podcast index, and there's a lot of noise around podcasting 2.0 and new apps were coming up, they said, well, you know, if you want to do a session, you know, we'll make something available to you. And I said, well, you know, because at this point I wanted to just meet a lot of these people who've been working on this project. And so we all decided to meet and Dallas and they literally put us during lunch in a room way in the back on the third floor. And so with the expected results, it was like 20 people there and you know, no signage, no promotion. So it was quite insulting.

[Adam Curry]

But that's good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it didn't cost money and we got to meet everybody and hang out for a couple of days. So of course I vowed I would never do it. Anything. But then one of the participants in Podcasting 2.0, SoundStack, who actually do a lot of hosting and a lot of ad stuff for other podcast hosting companies, and they're most known for live365 live streaming, which is a big part of podcasting 2.0. Witness people listening to this on a modern podcast app. Rocky Thomas, she said, hey, Adam, we'll pay for a booth if you'll come. And do you know what? Just a fireside chat. I was like, that sounds like fun. And I just. And I talked to my buddy Mitch the periodontist, he said, yeah, you can use my plane. And so I flew up in the morning and flew back in the afternoon so I didn't have to stay overnight or drive five hours each way or spend seven hours getting there by commercial, so not too much skin off my bones. And the main thing, it was great. It was fun talking about no agenda, how awesome we are, value for value, livestream, all this stuff. But what was new, and this is something new for conferences, which I was, was convinced would suck the way they do it now is they don't have a hundred, you know, all these little rooms where, you know, you can. You can shove 30, 40 people in there and it always smells. You know what I mean? You get like those session rooms and just as smelly and sweaty. Am I right?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I never noticed the stench because I never played a small room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, remember, these are podcasters. So these are people who typically sit in their basement doing a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

So, okay, it makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, then if it's full, you know, you people can't stand the back and you can barely move, and so it's no good. So they have this giant expo hall at the Gaylord in Denver, Dallas, and first of all, it's carpeted. And I gotta tell you, when it comes to trade shows, carpeting is very important, particularly for people who are walking around all day. It's good, very thick, nice carpeting. And they had all of these stages completely open with chairs in front and plenty of room for people to stand around. And you'd think this would be a nightmare with all these different interviews and speeches and keynotes going, going on, but no, they have. And I guess this is a new. A new thing with conferences. You walk into the expo hall, everybody gets a pair of headphones, wireless headphones, and there's three controls on the headphones on, off volume button, and then a channel selector. And the headphones on the outside turn color white, blue, red, green, or purple, indicating what channel you're listening, listening to. So we're sitting on stage, we have headphones on, we have hand mics, and we were on the white channel, which I did, did say was kind of racist. And the whole audience packed, all had headphones on with it. You could see if someone wasn't listening, like someone's on the red channel. You could. You could rouse them, you could call them out, but no one was doing that. And they all have their headphones on. I thought this was going to be the stupidest thing in the world. Like, how lame is this? I gotta tell you, it was fantastic. It's like doing a podcast where everybody's on the podcast, only they don't have mics and they're all listening because you're in their head between their ears. And no one was on their phone, no one was looking down, no one's looking away. It was really revolutionary for the conference business. I will hand them that to them.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I thought, but it's not.

[Adam Curry]

So they had all the stages, like, it's Like a. Like a outdoor concert with multiple stages in the same room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And these guys talking. Oh, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know, and like I walked past a big stage and there was. James Crudman was interviewing the guy from Coat Hanger, or goal Hanger, or whatever it's called. I like Coat hanger better. And they're just talking. You never would have been able to hear them from way in the back. But I just put the headphones on, clicked on the radio.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was great. Instead of, you can't really hear. People are poorly mic. It's not loud enough. You got feedback now. We all could have just stayed at home and be on zoom, to be honest about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you have a good audio engineer who knows how to stage speakers. So there's a delay between the. The front speaker and the back speaker in such a way that the sound sounds like. What the. You sound like the voice of God when you're speaking up there. But nobody has those guys anymore. I don't know why. I guess they learned the code. I don't know where they went.

[John C. Dvorak]

They learned how to vibe code, ma'.

[Adam Curry]

Am.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, it was. It was very enjoyable. And then. And then just a bunch of people I knew.

[Adam Curry]

So everybody's gonna have ear infections is what you're telling me.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was kind of the disgusting part. They did not hand out little sanit kits. You know, we can just wipe down the. You know, they get sweaty. You wouldn't have liked it because, you know, you get ear mold. You get sweaty ear mold.

[Adam Curry]

I don't need the aggravation of ear mold.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that was the. So welcome all those new people who are listening. Welcome all of the new listeners. In fact, since we talked about it, why don't we say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in copper disc. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to my friend on the other. Other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devorah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the morning. You, Mr. Curry. In the morning. Ship, sea boost to the ground, feed in the air, subs in the water, and the dames and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you for a second.

[Guest/Reporter]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is what I call an epic fail. We got 1655. It seems we went down.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we should have 18.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should have 18 at least. Yes. Okay. Well, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, it's probably the stablecoin discussion. No, really, I. I don't think it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was.

[Adam Curry]

I think we don't like to talk about things that are that complicated.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because one hour and nine minutes ago was the peak at 16:55. So that was, that was.

[Adam Curry]

Well, well, then we, then we still have a problem with it because people stop coming because they had a problem a couple weeks ago and they still haven't figured out that it's been fixed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but people, there are. People have emailed me and said, hey, it's working again, so we'll have to.

[Adam Curry]

Build that back one at a time.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what? You should, when you grow your brand on X, you should let people know.

[Adam Curry]

Bitching about this, when I grow my brand.

[John C. Dvorak]

But only. But only when you grow your brand, not before. So, yes, many of them are listening at Trollroom IO or they may be on one of those modern podcast apps, which I highlighted at the podcast movement. I would have expected all of you were using them by now, but there were a lot of ooh and ah, oh. When I told them that, you know, when you go live with your podcast, your podcast app will alert your audience so you can grow your brand. Ah, ooh, grow your show. Oh, oh, that's great. And of course, through the magic of pod ping technology, when we release the show, since you didn't have time or couldn't listen live within 90 seconds, you'll be notified of that and you can get [e-mail] we are also value for value. Another topic much discussed, which is, is kind of a simple concept really. It's like we don't want to be interrupted by any ads. We don't want to kowtow to the podcast industrial complex. By the way, the CPMs for those ads, what do you think the CPM is for an ad that's inserted$ not quite that bad. About 350. Yeah, 350. I mean, and it can only go down.

[Adam Curry]

It's not going to go up.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. There's a higher cpm, which is cost per thousand for those who are interested. If you, if you read an ad at a host red ad hoch, red.

[Adam Curry]

Ad, what does that give you? 5 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where I would say, no, that can be. They say, they say up to about 20. But after commissions from everybody, probably you're looking at 13 to the show. And it would go like, you know, John, Phoebe's looking so great.

[Adam Curry]

Really? What, why you think?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I started feeding her this new food.

[Adam Curry]

Tell me more.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called farmer's dog. Yeah. And people would immediately rush and say, wow, Adam's dog is looking good. I gotta get me some of that. And that's how it works. But instead of being total shills, we just ask you to support the show equal to directly. Directly. So all we have is processing fees. No middleman here, besides the obvious processing features. Processing fees.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And the thing is, even when you have the middleman, there's pro. You still have the processing fees.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you send a check, which we gladly accept, there's a very. It's 15 cents per check. Or if you send cash, like Sir Anonymous of Dog Patch, there's zero processing fees.

[Adam Curry]

There's zero. Actually, there is a cash fee now.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What? They charge you to deposit money into the bank.

[Adam Curry]

Bank, yeah, after a certain amount. Same thing with checks. With. There's a certain amount of checks. I think it's like a hundred or a couple hundred checks you can do for free, which is really cheap. It's free. But then after a certain amount, then it goes to the 15 cents per dollar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Per dollar or per check?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's 15 cents per whatever. It doesn't. No, it's a flat fee per check. So if you send in a thousand dollars in a cheap check, it's 15 cents. If you send in $5 in a check, it's 15 cents. If you send a dollar in a check, it's $0.15. Unlike, you know, the systems out there from everything from Visa, MasterCard, everything is a percentage of the total, which is, you know, not quite as good a deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Be honest about. But yes, at some point, I don't know what the cutoff is. I've never asked. But I do know there's a cash acceptance fee I think you get. You get. After it gets to a few thousand bucks, they start charging you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, you know what's going to revolutionize this stablecoin? That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Probably not. There's still going to be a fee. You think the banks are going to let anything like that slide without fees? Dream world.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll have to be pretty. But there will be no middleman.

[Adam Curry]

How low can it go? 15 cents.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'll be even. Even lower.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, they're probably hurting themselves at 15 cents. Oh, maybe I'm surprised it's that cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think stripe that we have on the website already accepts stablecoin. I'd love to see the first person donate to the show with usdc, because that's what they accept on stripe.

[Adam Curry]

What's usdc? US Digital currency.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's the circle stablecoin. You have usdt, which is tether. And of course you'll have usdx which will be X and usdf, which will be Facebook. Yeah, USDC is already accepted.

[Adam Curry]

Looking at the, at the news, I was going to say trades. It wasn't in the trades. It was in the news, financial news, that the Zelle thing is falling apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, it's. The banks hate it for a couple of reasons.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the bank that we deal with, the two of us, refused to take it even though it has gone through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Because it's basically a wire transfer through an intermediary. But the banks don't like it because there's no takesies, backsies. They can't take it back. And if so, what happens if someone gets a hold of your Zelle and they just empty out your bank account? Then you have a very unhappy, broke customer and there's no way to get the money back. And it's also cutting into their business.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's the main reason. I'm sure they care less about your poor problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's a lot of things, you know, all of these like Venmo. Oh, so Venmo uses plaid middleware. And what plaid does is it, in essence, you give it your password. I mean, you don't actually give it your password, but you give it permission to be in your account to credit and debit money and look at your stuff. And so what?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the bad part.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what the banks have found is that plaid logs into accounts not just when they're paying or receiving money, but like 10 times a day. Well, let me see what he's doing now. What is he spending money on here? Oh, look at that. Well, maybe we can sell this to an advertiser. It's sick. It's gross. Really, it's gross. And they do that with us?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we don't use those systems. We use the basic old fashioned system, the bank itself. Cash, cash, PayPal and Stripe. And now strike. And that's it. We don't have square. We don't do a lot of different ones, but they're all out there. But you know, people say, why don't you do this, why don't you do that? How much more can we do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, don't send blankets or water. Just send your cash anyway.

[Adam Curry]

Or a check.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or check. Yeah, it's great. So you can send time, talent, treasure. You can't actually send time and talent.

[Adam Curry]

But by the way, the check goes to Box 339, El Cerrito, California, 94530. There you go. And it should be addressed to the no Agenda show or me or both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So we, we love it when people do things for the show. Boots on the ground, organizing meetups, helping out with servers, other types of. Of things. That's all very valuable to the show because it saves us direct money of having to pay for those services. And even though we at this point could probably do our own art, I don't think we want to because, you know, we'll just. Everyone else is doing prompting on the AIs to create artwork for us.

[Adam Curry]

Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously you need to have a good idea, needs to be fun. We like it to be funny if possible. And that's not something artificial intelligence can do. So your creativeness is still highly appreciated. Blue Ape Horn did the artwork for episode 1791. We titled the Bolt Muncher, which is a slur these diet these days for the. For robots and AI systems. And it was all right. I mean if you had listened to the show, then you. Then you got it and you liked it. Had a boomer counting. Counting out resistors on a counter, which I guess is me, since I told you story. And there's a robot next to it with a. Whose name is Clanker. And it was. It was the best one we had. I mean, there were some others.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you like Screwworm.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like Screwworm. You thought it was. You thought it hit the gross factor and therefore was vetoed by you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, indeed. Yeah, I have a gross factor thing. You. We both like Body double, but that was screwed up by comic strip blogger who didn't put the effort in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, if comic strip blogger had used AI correct correctly, AI would have said, oh, your grammar is incorrect because we wanted that art. We thought it was great.

[Adam Curry]

He could have X that out in a Photoshop and put in the right grammar.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he. But you're right, he was lazy. It says your body double, but it should have said you're a body double. And he didn't do that and was also not aligned properly. So he was lazy.

[Adam Curry]

It could have been shifted a little to the right.

[John C. Dvorak]

He would have had. He would have had.

[Adam Curry]

He would have.

[John C. Dvorak]

He would have had a winner.

[Adam Curry]

That was our first choice. It was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. Because. Yeah, it was very. No agenda, very funny. And it was lazy. What can you say? By the way, on the Screwworm thing, I got a note from a. From a rancher. Rancher Austin is his name. And he said this whole Screwworm thing is a psyop. The psyop to raise the price. The price of. Of beef. And I think he's probably right about that. Could be yeah, the narrative that the Mexican herd is.

[Adam Curry]

But you didn't you get the whole story? Not from me and my conspiracy guys, but your buddy, you're the famous Texas Slim. Who is he being psyopped? Is that what you're making the claim?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm saying that as we were eating beef and drinking water wine, I may have misunderstood where he said, oh, that whole new new new new world, new Screwworm is. That's real. And I might have misunderstood his irony that, that the narrative, the way you.

[Adam Curry]

Presented that was possibly ironic.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, that is not the way I presented it. But now that this rancher says, hey, this is. Is this is a psyop, I'm like, ah, maybe I misunderstood what Slim was saying. So I'm going to call him about that and then. And then get the full.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't Texas Slim also say that the herd count was down and they were having issues?

[John C. Dvorak]

That is true.

[Adam Curry]

That is true. Well, that was going to. That would increase the price of beef for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, that's mainly because we don't. We just have commodity cowboys and people don't care anymore about ranching. And all of the young people are selling their parents parents ranch because they don't want to pay the inheritance tax and it's a pain in the butt and ranching's hard and they'd rather learn to code, code, code. That's the bottom line. So other pieces of art. Yes, the. I like the Screwworm. That was a no. Was there anything else? I don't think there was anything else that we really. You kind of like your new AI girlfriend. But it was messy by nessworks. A lot of messiness.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was messy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was messy. And then you also like Putin red carpet. But I'm like, this is another.

[Adam Curry]

I did like Putin red carpet because I thought that. I thought the cartooning of Putin, the caricature. Ish nature of the Putin character walking the red carpet was really pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. But no, you've.

[Adam Curry]

You vetoed that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. Anyway, that's pretty much the discussion we have every single show day after we're done. After. Do the credits. After we. Yeah, we do the credits and then we select the art and then we do the title. That's how it goes. And you just heard the whole conversation in condensed form because we really argue and throw stuff at each other.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So now we'd like to thank the financial. The treasure part of time, talents and treasure. People who supported us financially. And we had a new promotion which you launched without even Talking to me. Me about it.

[Adam Curry]

Although we know I've done this a couple times now.

[John C. Dvorak]

We, we had discussed it.

[Adam Curry]

I have to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you, why don't you explain the. Explain exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we did talk about it, by the way. It wasn't like you completely in the dark because we had discussed on the show the idea of naming giving a no agenda Secretary Generalship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Out to. As a, as a kind of a token title and you can be secretary. And we talked about after the show once too about how to do it and which should be state by state. And I decided that's probably not a good idea because it limits people that are in the populous states. And so I just said it should be open ended. You can make yourself Secretary General of anything, including the United nations under the no agenda banner. Yeah. And so, so the, so the offering is you can become Secretary General and an executive producer for $500 and you get to pick Secretary General of what? And I suggested in the newsletter Botswana, you can be Secretary General of the United States. You can be Secretary General of Cincinnati. What? It doesn't matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about the Hill Country? Secretary General of the Hill Country.

[Adam Curry]

You could be Secretary General of the Hill Country Country. And it's just, it puts that title where it belongs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now does this come with a certificate of authenticity?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the certificate. Yes. Jay. Jay's trying to outdo herself. So the certificates will probably go out at the end of the month because she now wants to the thing, the design is going to be slightly different than our other stuff is always. Everyone's been somewhat different. But this is going to have a big, A giant wax seal at the bottom that has the ITM signet ring thing, but bigger. She's ordered a giant version.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does she order a giant ring to make it?

[Adam Curry]

No, just. It's a stamp. Cool. Giant stamp. I had to get the art from Paul Couture to her so she could get this thing produced as she found again. First of all, I got into an argument now I don't think this is not a good idea. For one thing, who's going to make these things? And every time we. I have a discussion with her where I tell her it can't be done. She within five minutes she has the vendor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I appreciate, I appreciate. Jay.

[Adam Curry]

She's on her phone. Okay. It can't be done. Let me see. I found a guy who will do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It for now does she preface it by or does she. She ended with Boomer. Oh, I can.

[Adam Curry]

No, she doesn't do that. She knows better.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, yes, I'm looking at the troll room. Secretary of. Secretary General of boobs. Yes, definitely a possibility.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary General of Boobs. That would be a gem. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secretary General of Uranus. Yes, all of these are completely.

[Adam Curry]

They're all possibilities. All valid.

[John C. Dvorak]

All valid. So Steve Miller came in from Alito, Texas. Steve loves us and he supported us with $2,500. Not stable. Stable coins. Actual digital money. And here's what he said. We love your fantastic insights and commentary. Is it possible there's still uncertainty whether your 3x3 intro was or wasn't on the Dating Game? If so, season of reveal. Herb Albert, Spanish Flea on the Dating Game. Yes, we did deconstruct that. You must have missed that. Over the last couple of weeks, on my drive home from work, I found each of you making me laugh out out loud. With the pathetic donation levels recently, I felt like I might be running out of time to make things right in our relationship. Please deduce me you've been de douched. And also please deduce my son Andrew hit me in the mouth during COVID.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And please split my donation to make us both overdue and loyal Instantites names. TBD it. Itm. Steve Miller from Alito, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so he didn't. Is he not on the list? Because he's got a TBD there. We have to wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he didn't mention Secretary General. Let me just double check. Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Since he came in with it at the right time, he can go pick one up later.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's not on the list, so he can definitely pick one.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so he's got the name. Okay, we'll knight him when he feels like it. Yes, Peter Fantino's up next, and he's in Eustis, Florida. Eustis, huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds right.

[Adam Curry]

Came in with a thousand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, boys. First time donation. I've been listening since the election and thought it was time to pony up. My name will be Sir Peter, Jockey of the mountains. Dinner is beef Wellington. Oh, God, he's just knighting himself. Yes, he wants beef well Wellington and a shaken dirty martini.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, do you want olives?

[Adam Curry]

I got chewed out by one of our famous. More famous executive producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, executive or associate? Executive.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

One of our most famous. And so he says that he was aghast and so is his wife, as a matter of fact, that I had never heard of an espresso martini.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was rather odd.

[Adam Curry]

I don't understand why anyone. Why would I have heard of such a horrible drink. Well, if you get from the San Francisco Bay area where you have the. Where the drink you have. I can't even remember the name of it, which is this coffee booze drink that we have in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coffee. It's called the coffee booze drink.

[Adam Curry]

The coffee booze drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also known as an Irish coffee.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe an Irish coffee. This is invented at a place in San Francisco. You can go there and get them. And. And so that's to me was, you know, and then there's this espresso Martini.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. It's been around for a long time.

[Adam Curry]

Ask the. Ask the animal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask Era. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

Ask her when it came out, when it was invented and who. Where it's been. Where it was popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

The espresso Martini.

[Guest/Reporter]

Oh, the espresso Martini. It's such a fun drink. Vodka, coffee, liqueur, fresh espresso, and a touch of simple syrup. Shaken until frothy and served with those iconic coffee beans on top.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it comes. It's like, ah. I interrupted her. Fun fact. It was invented in the 1980s in London by a bartender for a model who wanted something to wake her up and mess with her up. Fun fact.

[Adam Curry]

Fun fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

You haven't been out of the house since the 80s. It makes total sense.

[Adam Curry]

Onward, onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

Skyler Firestone. Ah, that sounds like a DJ name. Skyler Firestone in the morning with everybody. Z100. That's in Texas. Liberty Hill, 51538. I see no note from Skyler.

[Adam Curry]

So I see nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Skyler will get a double up. Karma.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Guest/Reporter]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

You can do the next one because I have a note for this one after that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, sir. Ahab from Mandeville. Mandeville, Louisiana, 500. And he's in on the program. Hey, guys, it's Sir Ahab. Night of the seven Seas. It's been a spell. I'd like to be Secretary General of the Pacific Fleet. Thanks for all. All you do.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one. All right, we're gonna have to figure out some way to announce these things properly. We do have the people mentioned, but we probably don't have their titles. We had that. That's gonna. I'm not sure how to do that. But we have. Now we have Justine Palmer in Bozeman, Montana. Came with 33343. And this is interesting because I. I first put her name down. This is I. I have to note. And I sent the note over to Jay. I first thought it was Justin, and then I Went back and looked, and I said, wait a minute. This is not a signature or handwriting of any known male. And I look. Oh, Justine, that makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, you're such a sleuth.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the thing is, it brought me to this idea that we women are more into precision than men.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to develop this into some sort of thinking, because during World War II, when the men were all fighting, the factories of the United States were all peopled by women, a lot of them. And a lot of them became precision engineers and precision mechanics and all this sort of thing. And it just fascinates me now that I start to think about it, because. No, because the women are not credited with this capability. I don't know. I found it interesting. And the note triggered this. But here's her note, donation note, thank you for the best podcast in the universe. And then she's got a birthday shout out for Chris Illuminati. Jensen. A separate explanation. No need to read, but I'm going to read it anyway, because it's about football. Previously, you had mentioned you did not receive any clothes, clothing, commemorating the most recent college football championship winners from the FBS or FCS, D2, et cetera. She knows what all that means. Although you have now received Ohio State representation. People promise Florida. I never got anything. I even closed some Montana State University Bobcats apparel, which is a nice piece, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh.

[Adam Curry]

After a 15. 0 season, unfortunately, the Bobcats fell short of the 2024 FCS National Championship game. But I had to. Couldn't pass on the opportunity to send some D1AAA FCS. Love your direction. There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. By the way, I. I concur on precision. I know many female pilots, helicopter pilots especially, who are extremely good, and that's precision work. In fact, all.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I just think it's the. There. I think it just dawned on me, looking at her handwriting, that it was. It's an underrated characteristic of women in general.

[John C. Dvorak]

Underrated. That's right. Is Mimi still there? Can you. Can you compliment her on her precision?

[Adam Curry]

No. She crashed a car into a tree. No, I'm kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you, though? She's an la.

[Adam Curry]

She's a good driver.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's an excellent driver.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe that's the reason that we mock female drivers. Because they're so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good because they're so good.

[Adam Curry]

Because they're that parallel parking, precise male taste. Cut in here. Cut in here. No, not cutting in there. Come on, cut in. There's. Oh, there's a ton of raw. You blew it, Justin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Prule. Prul. P R O L X P R U L X. Prul.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's Prulix or something. Funny way of pronouncing that. I don't have it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's right up there. Road about an hour. Canyon Lake, TX 33333. ITM gents, thanks for keeping us grounded with amazing M5M analysis. Every week. It was time to donate when I received my new Delta Reserve amex, made with 33% metal from a retired Boeing 747. Well, that sounds like a cool product.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'd say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take a look at this. What is. Unless it's blue. That's kind of. Let me, let me see. Delta Reserve Amex. Let me see what it looks like.

[Adam Curry]

He wants to. While you're doing that once you give some health karma for the wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she has a broken back.

[Adam Curry]

She's a broken back, definitely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. It's purple. It's purple.

[Adam Curry]

Purple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's purple.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, up next is Baz. B, A Z, Z with a capital Z. The first one anyway. 3:33. Baz from Sunny Singapore. Woo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at that. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Baz.

[Adam Curry]

We need more Singaporeans listening to the show. They can all speak English.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's actually on Tina's bucket list. Singapore. She really wants to visit Singapore.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I've been there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And I would recommend it as a great place for a vacation. It's extremely safe, super clean. It's a fascist state. You have to know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't speak, spit gum out.

[Adam Curry]

You can't chew gum. You can, you know, I mean you can, but you really can't. You have to better swallow it. It's a. But it's got great food. Terrific food. It's pretty. And great markets. I would recommend, highly recommend Singapore as a vacation retreat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there, is there any. Can we get any garments there custom made?

[Adam Curry]

You know, I never bought any clothes there. There. I don't think it's the same on the same league as Korea or Taiwan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zadok Brown III in Pukalani. Pukalani, Hawaii. 315 85. And he says in the morning, gents. And we say in the morning to you, Zadok Brown III. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymous. In Deckerville, Michigan, he becomes Associate Executive Producer 267 26767. Anonymous ITM TRUMP. Only jobs, karma, please. Needed for promotion. God bless.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're on to our next associate executive producer, Kurt Kieffer from Austin, Texas. The Texans are really supporting the show lately. 26322 and he says Kurt Kiefer of Austin, Texas, Commodore of smooth Texas highways. Gen my smokin hot, brilliant, free thinking wife Beth and I love you guys. We listen to the show live while we're cooking dinner together. It's a fun activity, highly recommended even for those cheap ass couples who don't donate to the show. Get a clue. Donate. Anyway. This donation makes me a night. I'm making it on the day before Beth and I embark on a safari to Tanzania. Beth suggested that I get my night donation in before leaving as she thinks the title would look cool on my urn. Should it by should I be? It will look cool on my urn. Should I be trampled by an elephant or mauled by other big game on our trip? Yes, I concur. How about dubbing me night Kurt of the Nungarongo Nongarangaro? No, Nong Rongero. Yes. Night Kurt of the Nungarongaro Crater. If that doesn't roll off the tongue, perhaps Night Kurt of the Serengeti. You guys pick. I like the non because it'd be fun for me to try. Let's keep it simple for the roundtable. Zebra schnitzel, hippo, hot links, a pilsner or two and just one. Just one. Camel filter cigarette. Love you guys. The producers and boobs says Kurt. Great note, Kurt. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Camel made filtered.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they kind of. They taste icky. What I remember tastes a bit like a Pall Mall.

[Adam Curry]

James Green. He's in Fland Effland, North Carolina.

[John C. Dvorak]

F land.

[Adam Curry]

F. Land F. U. F land, North Carolina. 233.99. Adam and John. See, I'm a plumber with 25 mass communications. With 25 mass communications degree. Go figure. Dirty work for a living. And I love it. Thanks for supporting. Thanks for reporting on the reporters. Oh, thanks for reporting on the reporters. Does anyone hear Dr. Huckabee in NPR's Alicia Roscoe? Dr. Huckabee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the. The hucks to be.

[Adam Curry]

Hucks to be. Oh, hucksterby huckster. Oh, she's. Oh, yes. Hux to be the Bill Cosby character. His wife in the way Alicia. Alicia talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Hux. Yes, I know. Dr. Huxtable. Was that the wife?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, Dr. Huxtable. That was Cosby, wasn't it? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought his wife was the doctor.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Well, I don't know. I don't remember what a show. Well, somebody there does know, but yeah, there's a sound. Alicia Roscoe has is. I think she just doesn't sound like a professional broadcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aisha. Aisha.

[Adam Curry]

Aisha.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aisha. Aisha.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Aisha. Okay, Aisha. Anyway. Sufferin succotash. Go Florida ounces. Sufferin succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Scott Simon. Sam Trudell is in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 218.92 ITM. He says, I just realized my 33rd birthday is on a show day. Time to donate thanks to Adam W. In Milwaukee for hitting me in the mouth. Please deduce.

[Adam Curry]

You'Ve been de douched and.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't realize he asked this. He says, I request a Sharpton. Hubris. And that's from Sam Trudelle.

[Adam Curry]

I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's part of one of these medleys, so I hope I got it. Let me see. Tonight is the measure of whether the.

[Adam Curry]

Country begins in the state of Wisconsin, a national drive to push back or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whether we have more to go to build a movement of resistance. No, that's resist we much. I. I don't remember what where hubris is hubris. Let me see. Am I. I like the guy did this. So let me just try. Let me try this. Maybe this one. Thanks. Good evening. You ed. Is this Crownhog Day 2? We are watching that. It was Attorney General Eric Holder. ABD's about. Some Republicans at home are already beating the drums of war.

[Adam Curry]

Today.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Pentagon refuted that claim and he said the American people do not want him to, quote, dwindling. They do not want him dwindling his thumbs. You can get a gig as a contortionist.

[Adam Curry]

Intravenous fluids and pills coated with galette gelatin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I don't. I don't know which one it is. I'll have to look that one up. Sorry. But thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy. 20821.

[John C. Dvorak]

There he is.

[Adam Curry]

Hamada coffee. By the way, it's interesting how recent diplomatic efforts by America to broker peace have gone unnoticed by the M4.5M. It's not that interesting. It's what you expect. Whether Azerbaijan and Armenia to Cambodia and Thailand. Did you see the one thing that wasn't reported? Did you see the 5,000 Cambodian Buddhist monks? Have you seen this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a bunch of like 5,000 of them or more came out in a giant group. They took a picture of it. Say we. We nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Cambodian Buddhist monks?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, 5,000 of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And nobody covered it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna look that up while you're reading this note.

[Adam Curry]

Fox, I think, covered it well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Duh.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Look up monks. Cambodian monks. Promote Trump for Nobel and you'll probably find it. Or maybe your buddy there in the office.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm tired of her.

[Adam Curry]

She'll know anyway. Cambodia, Pakistan, Thailand or India? Pakistan. This cynic in me. Questions. Were these brief flare ups of conflict manufactured with the purpose of allowing for a US brokered resolution? Seems unlikely. We don't have that much power. Or is Trump trying to make peace profitable again?

[John C. Dvorak]

That seems like that would be nice.

[Adam Curry]

One thing is certain tariffs are increasing the price of coffee imports. But at Gigawatt Coffee Roasters.com we are dedicated to great coffee at a great price. And remember to use code ITM20 for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you were wrong. Wrong again. It was not 5,000 monks, it was 70,000 monks.

[Adam Curry]

70,000 monks just broke their vows of silence to nominate Trump for the Nobel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dear Mr. President Trump, we are standing.

[Adam Curry]

Here today with hearts full of appreciation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today, 70,000 Cambodian Buddhist monks are whole supportive of our Cambodian Prime Minister H.

[Adam Curry]

Manat to nominate you for the Nobel Peace prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please accept Mr. President.

[Adam Curry]

70,000 monks can't be wrong. So you got 70,000 monks?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there weren't 70,000 there, but that gets.

[Adam Curry]

No, but there was a lot there.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was. It was a lot of monks.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of monks. They're all dressed in than red and this got no coverage. Orange? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Orange.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, is it orange?

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember they might have been Hari Krishnas, I don't know, man.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever the case, they're all bald.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they were bald for sure.

[Adam Curry]

And they. It was weird enough as news and then just a visual. Was a good visual, definitely. You think somebody in the mainstream media in New York, anybody would have taken a picture and run it in their pocket paper. No, nobody except Jesse Waters even mentioned it. Yeah, that's pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Certificate. We've got a couple more associate executive producers here. Certificate, $200.42. He says for some reason I haven't been able to get into politics, including no agenda since the election. Not that the results aren't what I wanted. Burnout, I suppose. But with this donation, I think I will wage my back in. No jingles, no karma, says Certificate. AKA Keith Lossett. Well, we're not all about politics. We're about all kinds of stuff, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's true. We talk about all kinds of things. Including Linda Lupatkin, Lakewood, Colorado and her $200 show donation, which happens every show. And she always requests jobs, karma and makes the comment. Worried about AI For a resume that gets results and tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring, go to ImageMakers Inc.com that's ImageMakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And our last associate executive producer is Gordon Gordon Schroeder. We have no location for Gordon. We have no note for Gordon. Well, that means we have one thing for Gordon which is a double up. Karma. Thank you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Guest/Reporter]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1792. You know how it works. These are real Hollywood style credits. It's like a Article 5 style security guarantee. And you can use that anywhere that credits are especially Hollywood credits are accepted. You can go to IMDb.com you can put on your LinkedIn all kinds of fun stuff you can do with it. And you can always say that you are an executive or associate executive producer of the no Agenda show episode 1792. And if anyone questions that, we will be happy to vouch for you. You can go to noagendadonations.com to support us. We encourage that. It's a very good activity. And of course you can do any amount anytime you want or any of the value that you receive for the show is completely open ended. No hoops, no levels, no tote bags. And if you want, you can become a sustaining donor by setting up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency, no agenda. Donations.com Congrats to these executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up slave. Shut up. A little bit of a little bit of a climate change news since this is up from Washington State state two months ago. I don't know if you caught this news or maybe Mimi heard about it and told you.

[Adam Curry]

The first hybrid electric ferry is about.

[John C. Dvorak]

To rejoin the fleet after nearly two years out of the water. The ferry Wenatchee is undergoing sea trials.

[Adam Curry]

Vigor Marine says the historic conversion is complete. They swapped two diesel generators out for batteries and installed a new propulsion system that went out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will rejoin the Seattle Bainbridge run.

[Adam Curry]

And welcome back passengers once sea trials are complete.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so we've got a battery powered ferry. What could possibly go wrong? Two months later, Washington State Ferries has pulled its newly renovated hybrid electric ferry from service less than one month since the big renovation. We're told the Wenatchee had a mechanical issue yesterday while docking at Coleman Dock. It's not clear exactly what that issue was. Or how long it'll be out of service.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

The Wenatchee was added to the Seattle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bainbridge route in July after its conversion to hybrid electric power. Yeah, of course, what could possibly go wrong? Battery powered fairies. It's just not a good idea people.

[Adam Curry]

You put especially those explosive batteries in the water, seawater environment. That's a smart move.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Such a bad idea. You know, there was a Peter Thiel, we talked about about him earlier. Co founder. He's from the PayPal mafia and of course funder of killing machines like Palantir, which although we have a lot of testimony to the contrary, people believe that Palantir runs the world and is tracking your every move. They certainly have been successful at some government contracts and very unsuccessful at targeting terrorists in Palestine because they killed a lot of the wrong people. But, but that doesn't matter because Peter Thiel is a force to be reckoned with. And the New York Times interviewed him about a month ago and I paid no attention to it. I saw it come by my feed. But the guy is so annoying to listen to because he's like Sam Altman.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it seems that the entire PayPal mafia talks like musk is the same. Same way.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Altman wasn't part of the PayPal mafia, was it?

[Adam Curry]

No, I know, but this seems like the PayPal mafia all talks that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's a Silicon Valley.

[Adam Curry]

It could be a million thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just to sound interesting, like I'm. I'm deep in thought about. And he is a transhumanist, as you will hear in a moment.

[Adam Curry]

He's trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's gay. And you remember his boyfriend fell off the balcony and died in, in Miami years.

[Adam Curry]

Remember that now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was kind of a bad, bad vibe, you know, fell off the balcony. But he's the New York Times guy. Sits down with him and he starts asking him about transhumanism. Approaches it from a very innocuous way really about, you know, do you think the human race should survive or do you think that your machine should run everything? And it took an unexpected turn.

[Adam Curry]

You would prefer the human race to endure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right?

[Adam Curry]

You're hesitating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, and I should mention I cut out a lot of the five second pauses.

[Adam Curry]

You would prefer the human. But the two of us both like to brag about our editing skills.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't take a lot of skill because you look at the way it forms.

[Adam Curry]

Take a lot of skill to say, look at all this white space.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just, just cut it out.

[Adam Curry]

You would prefer the human race to endure Were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

You're hesitating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I, I would, I would.

[Adam Curry]

This is a long hesitation.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's so many questions.

[Adam Curry]

Should the human race survive? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. But, but I, I also would. I, I also would like us to, to radically solve these problems. And, and so, you know, it's always. I don't know, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Transhumanism is this, you know, the ideal was this radical transformation where your human natural body gets transformed into an immortal body. And there's a critique of, let's say the trans people in a sexual context or.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, transvestite is someone who changes their clothes and cross dresses.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a transsexual is someone where you change your penis into a vagina. And we can then debate how well those surgeries work, but we want more transplant. Yeah, you should have debated that. How well do those surgeries work, Peter, where you change your penis into a vagina? And we can then debate how well those surgeries work, but we want more transformation than that.

[Adam Curry]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

The critique is not that it's weird and unnatural.

[Adam Curry]

It's man, it's so pathetically little.

[John C. Dvorak]

And okay, we want more than cross dressing or changing your sex organs. We want you to be able to change your heart and change your mind and change your whole.

[Adam Curry]

Your whole body.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then orthodox Christianity, by the way, the critique orthodox Christianity has of this is these things don't go far enough like that. Transhumanism is just changing your body, but you also need to transform your soul and you need to transform your whole self. What. I must alert Pastor Jimmy. He's not going to far enough. We need to transfer our. Transform our bodies. It's. It's Christianity. You can imagine. This got my attention. And let's dive in, shall we?

[Adam Curry]

I, I generally agree with your. What I think is your belief.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's. He agrees with his beliefs. Yes. Oh, yeah. This is the New York Times.

[Adam Curry]

That religion should be a friend to science and ideas of scientific progress. I think any idea of divine providence has encompass the fact that we have progressed and achieved and done things that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would have been unimaginable.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, stop right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, interviewers should not be agreeing. Well, not agreeing or disagreeing, but this guy's gone beyond agreeing and disagreeing. He is now expressing himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he's from the Yak Yak Yak.

[Adam Curry]

And we came to listen to Peter Thiel and what he thinks, not what some reporter from the New York Times. Times who's, you know, Made a mess of his life or he wouldn't be there for at his age. Yeah, we don't care what you think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this guy I think is a member of the sparkle clergy because he's like, oh yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. Anything that, that we do is, was God's I plan in Providence has to.

[Adam Curry]

Encompass the fact that we have progressed and achieved and done things that would have been unimaginable to our ancestors scriptures. But it still also seems like, yeah, the promise of Christianity in the end is you get the perfected body and the perfected soul. Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's laying out his Bible smack man. Let him go. What you hear Thiel say is better. This guy's just there.

[Adam Curry]

The promise of Christianity in the end is you get the perfected body and the perfected soul through God's grace.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the person who tries to do.

[Adam Curry]

It on their own with a bunch of machines is likely to end up as a dystopian character in hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's, let's, let's articulate this and you can have a heretical form of Christianity.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That says something else. I, I don't know, I, I, I.

[Adam Curry]

Think the word nature does not occur.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once in the Old Testament and okay, the word nature does not appear once in the Old Testament. Okay. I guess you could call creation, heavens and earth, the world if you don't want to call it nature. Okay, that's a point of discussion. But I think there's a New Testament where it appears quite a bit, especially the term against nature. I think the word nature does not occur once in the Old Testament. And so, you know, if you, if you, you know, and there is, you know, there is a word in which.

[Adam Curry]

A sense in which the way I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Understand, you know, the, you know, the.

[Adam Curry]

Judeo Christian inspiration is it is, it is, it is, it is about transcendent nature. It is about.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's almost done. The way I understand, you know, the.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the Judeo Christian inspiration is, it is, it is, is, it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is about transcending nature. It is about overcoming things. And you know, and the closest thing you can say to nature is that people are fallen. And that that's the natural thing in a Christian sense is that you're messed up. And that's true. But you know, there's some ways that, you know, with God's help, you are supposed to transcend that and open, overcome that. Well, I now link arms with the Peter Thiel haters of the world. This guy is a ghoul. He's A complete. All of his government contracts should be ripped up. What an idiot. And the New York Times guy is not much better.

[Adam Curry]

No, the New York Times guy's worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's just unbelievable. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, nice interpretation, Peter Heal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was a trip down nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I thought it was quite interesting, personally.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go to what Tulsi Gabbard's up to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's doing a couple of things, isn't she?

[Adam Curry]

Now, I think this, that she has to be. The intelligence communities, at least the bad actors in the intelligence community, they got to be worried. Worst nightmare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Guest/Reporter]

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard announces today that she's cutting her department, department by more than 40% to, quote, root out deep state actors. She says the move will make the department more efficient and save taxpayers north of $700 million per year. The news comes just after she wrote security clearances for 37 intelligence officials, accusing them of politically weaponizing intelligence. NTD's Washington correspondent, Jack Bradley has more.

[Adam Curry]

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard strips security clearances from 37 current and former intelligence officials. She also terminated any government employment or contracts for them. Gabbard said that she's doing this at the direction of President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she didn't disclose any specific acts.

[Adam Curry]

That led to the losses of clearance for each person, but said that more generally, they were part of a political weaponization of the intelligence community, leaking classified information and bypassing normal procedures, particularly in creating a false intelligence report that accused Trump of colluding with Russia in the 2016 election.

[Guest/Reporter]

They were not happy with the outcome of that election, and so they created this politicized, weaponized piece of fake intelligence that they aided and abetted in this action, this seditious conspiracy that undermined our democracy, undermined our Republicans. These are bad actors that have to be rooted out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think this is pretty good, what she's doing here, and I think that that's why she was hired, was to do this stuff, I think.

[Adam Curry]

So she has a bad attitude. She's not going to put up with anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, bad.

[Adam Curry]

She's not like a bureaucrat that's in it just for the, you know, so she can pick up a. Pick up a retirement check, income.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, she's not. Yeah, I'm kind of liking this Tulsi business.

[Adam Curry]

Still not being picked up by. I'm sorry, they're still not being picked up by the mainstream. You know, they still keep bringing out people like Susan Rice and they bring out these other people and people I know around here, the Democrats around here, that I know that. Oh, yeah. Well, it's a known fact that Russia colluded with Trump. I don't care what they say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that's California.

[Adam Curry]

In announcing the move on X, she said that a security clearance is a privilege, not a right. Those who betray their oath to the criminal constitution and put their own interests before the interests of the American people have broken the sacred trust they promised to uphold. Those who lost their security clearances can no longer access classified facilities and information. Back in July, Gabbard said that the intelligence community did assess that in the months leading up to the November 2016 election, Russia was trying to interfere in the US presidential election by sowing discord and chaos, but repeatedly stating that Russia didn't appear to have a preference for either candidate and viewed both equally bad for Russia's interest. She then said that in December 2016, then President Obama called for another intelligence assessment to contradict it and claim that Russia did interfere in Trump's favor.

[Guest/Reporter]

There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and his national security security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false.

[Adam Curry]

But Gabbard said that they used substandard intelligence, bypassing normal procedures, and used the Steele dossier as a source for the newer assessment. The Steele dossier is now widely considered to have been discredited.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weren't they supposed to start the depositions on the 19th? I mean, do we even know if that started it at all?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, nothing's going to come of any of this except the people that lost their security clearances are probably going to have to go find work someplace else and, you know, who knows where. And that's going to be all that's going to happen. They won't. The Republicans are not vindictive enough to actually take action.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're not. And by the way, the CIA and, you know, an old report has recently surfaced and I put it in the show notes 1957, a 200 page report proposing that American special forces should secretly infiltrate Ukraine, spark uprising and destabilize the Soviet Union from within. This has been a plan by the CIA and Western. It was actually. They did it with, with the, with the Brits and there was an update to this plan in 2014. I mean, come on, it was so obvious. The outrage should be that we started all this nonsense in Ukraine. We don't.

[Adam Curry]

I. The reason they just. That's another thing that mainstream media, media will not do which is, no, give us the straight scoop on this stuff, because they just can't. They're. They're working. They're not working for the people, unlike us.

[John C. Dvorak]

We work for you.

[Adam Curry]

We work for the people.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do. We work for the people. NPR did have a. I think I have a 56 seconds. NPR had this story. President Trump's chief spy, Tulsi Gabbard, says she'll cut her agency's budget by over 40% by the end of 2025. Is she the chief spy? Is that really technically. Technically. NPR's Jenna McCarthy.

[Adam Curry]

Spy. You know, that's the thing. She's not spy in the, in the sense of a. What a spy is, but it sounds cool. She is a bureaucrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That heads up all the, all the spies and analysts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chief spy. NPR's Jenna McAn reports.

[Guest/Reporter]

Career intelligence officials say their mission is to speak truth to power. However, the former Democratic lawmaker turned head of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Since when is that their job? Let's listen to that again. 2025. NPR's Jenna McAn reports.

[Guest/Reporter]

Career intelligence officials say their mission is to speak truth to power.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's bull crap. That's not their mission. To speak truth to power is to subvert other powers, other nations and other leaders is not their mission.

[Guest/Reporter]

However, the former Democratic lawmaker turned head of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, or odni, has expressed her commitment to aligning the agency with President Trump's policy goals. The ODNI was created after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to foster intelligence sharing between U.S. government agencies. Gabbard says she'll slash the agency's costs by over 40% by the end of September, though she didn't identify specific cuts. In a statement, the Democratic vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Mark Warner of Virginia, says he would welcome. Welcome the chance to review Gabbard's plans, but expresses concern, arguing Gabbard has a track record of politicizing intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you're listening to npr.

[Adam Curry]

What? What, what, what? Track record.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen again. Welcome.

[Guest/Reporter]

The chance to review Gabbard's plans. That expresses concern, arguing Gabbard has a track record of politicizing intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you're listening to npr. A track record. I tell you what. Track record.

[Adam Curry]

Track record. She just got this job recently. She's been in office six months. A track record assumes you've been doing something for years and years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Track record.

[Adam Curry]

When you use it in a political sense, when you say track record.

[John C. Dvorak]

Track record. I'm Telling you track record.

[Adam Curry]

Well, NPR just since you mentioned this bull crap about truth to part play this little clip. This is an off the wall clip. This is the science clip I have here. Where, where is it? Define. It says define. This is npr. Define. Now you. I don't know if you can define science. You can ask the robot there that your buddy. I'm not going to to define science, but listen to the definition of science from npr. Science, mind you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science, science, science, science.

[Guest/Reporter]

Shortwave thinks of science as an invisible force showing up in your every.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, start it over.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go.

[Guest/Reporter]

Short wave thinks of science as an invisible force showing up in your everyday life, powering the food you eat, the medicine you use, the tech in your pocket. Science is approachable because it's already part of your life. Come explore these connections on the shortwave podcast from npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what exactly did they just say?

[Adam Curry]

They said science is a force, a force. Some sort of force that. Some sort of force. I'm going to read Definition of science. It's like the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained. That's it. That's what science is. It's not a force.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a force to be reckoned with. Shut up already.

[Adam Curry]

Science.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science, yes. Well, let's talk.

[Adam Curry]

This is NPR promoting the idea of science. This way you believe the science. Believe the force, Luke. Believe the force.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's talk about some science for a moment with Dr. Celine Gounder.

[Adam Curry]

Turning to your health, there's news tonight that the maker of Ozempic is cutting the price nearly in half for some patients. The company had already cut the price of Wegovy, similar medication approved for weight loss. Dr. Sling Downer is here with more on the emerging price competition over these drugs. So what is driving this price war?

[Guest/Reporter]

Dr. John the race is on. Novo Nordisk has dominated early on with their drugs Ozempic and Wegovy. But now Eli Lilly with their drugs Manjaro and Zepbound are catching up fast thanks to lower prices and strong supply. So it's really about Novo Nordisk trying to revise, regain, take back market share. Specifically, Novo has said this is targeted at patients with type 2 diabetes who do not have insurance. Now, I don't know how many patients don't have insurance who can afford $500 a month, but that is the target audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, we know that. It's not about that. We know that you're being paid to shill for weight loss. Drugs.

[Adam Curry]

So and are they competing just on price or is there any other thing that compete on?

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, they also compete on effectiveness. So there was a head to head study published in the New England Journal of Medicine looking at these two companies, drugs head to head. Over 72 weeks people on the Lilly drug lost about 20% of their body weight compared to 14% body weight loss with those on the Novo Nordisk drug. So there is a difference there and the degree of improvement in blood pressure decline, diabetes, cholesterol was commensurate with proportional to the amount of weight loss.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a new side effect of these drugs.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I saw this.

[John C. Dvorak]

A new side effect known as ozempic vulva.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I don't know about that. I thought, you know, I was thinking of the positive things going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll tell you about this. The ozempic vulva is sagging caused by loose lips, labia, loose skin in the vaginal area, wrinkles or some combination of all three if you're lucky. Dude.

[Adam Curry]

Oh God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude. You had positive news from them. You had positive.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, apparently it's a cure for baldness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well. Well, good news, ladies, you won't go bald. Bad news, bad news. You'll be dragged it on the ground. We have an update. Of course we need to discredit our health and human services secretary and everybody that he's hired.

[Adam Curry]

Back to school season often means making sure your child is up to date on vaccinations.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it means. You just remember back to school means get your shots.

[Adam Curry]

That's what back to school means. Yeah, it used to mean back to school suddenly means get vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

It used to mean, you know, like get your book books. You gotta put covers on your books. You gotta get your erasers.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, not anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Backpacks.

[Adam Curry]

Back to school means getting back. And why are we going back to school so soon? But I. That's another topic. Back to school season often means making sure your child is up to date on vaccinations. A step most schools require before students can attend. In the past, parents could rely on a single authoritative schedule for no longer. This year, the American Academy of Pediatrics has released its own vaccine schedule and it's different from the government's. CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder is here to explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Gounder, explain?

[Adam Curry]

What is this? Did you hear the laugh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Let's listen again.

[Adam Curry]

CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder is here to explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Gounder. Oh yeah, here it is. Doctor. Oh, he's laugh telling because you know he's like this stupid RFK Jr. I mean, we can't trust them anymore. So what are we going to do, doctor? Counter, Explain.

[Adam Curry]

What is this? What's the distance, this discrepancy here?

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah. So for the first time in decades, pediatricians are putting out their own schedule because they no longer trust.

[Adam Curry]

Stop. Stop the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop in the clip.

[Adam Curry]

Because I can. I'm going to predict the direction of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Surely you jest, Mr. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

She's going to go on with her assertion, and then Dickerson, who is an old pro, knows what he's doing, is a top journalist, is going to say, well, isn't it true that the pediatricians have a conflict of interest because they're paid direct money, direct cash money to make sure all their patients have all these vaccinations and it's a big, huge bonus and part of their income. It's very important to them. So they're conflicted. Don't you agree with that, Dr. Gounder?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's see if you're right.

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah. So for the first time in decades, pediatricians are putting out their own schedule because they no longer trust the government's process. So the CDC's vaccine advisory committee, folks may remember, was recently overhauled. All members were dismissed, and almost everyone who replaced those experts is somebody who has spread disinformation about vaccination vaccines or has expressed vaccine skepticism. This has never happened under a previous Democratic or Republican administration that the process would be politicized in this way. And so the American Academy of Pediatrics is saying, look, we want to stick to the science, we don't want to politicize process.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now all of a sudden we have to stick to that science, but from the very same people who have given your kids Ritalin, who have told your kids that, you know, they've told you, well, it's better to have a daughter who's alive or son who's alive than a daughter who's dead. The very same people. The academy. Oh, I want to thank the academy. Oh, but what's a parent to do, Doctor?

[Adam Curry]

So if I'm a parent and I want to know what to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, stop.

[Adam Curry]

What? He didn't ask the question that I surmised.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Funny, he didn't ask a probing question, a valid question that would actually make. Make some sense and, and educate the public that they're trying to serve. Or are you. This, this is not serving the public.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is serving the advertiser.

[Adam Curry]

So if I'm a parent and I want to know what to do. Fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

You guys squabble.

[Adam Curry]

What, what's, what is a parent to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't do your own research.

[Guest/Reporter]

Yeah. So the main area where the American Academy of Pediatrics diverges so far with the cdc. The CDC has, is no longer recommending routine COVID vaccinations for healthy children. Pediatricians, including the American Academy of Pediatrics strongly disagree with that. And they are saying that all infants between the ages of 6 months and 2 years should be receiving a COVID vaccine. The bottom line is that the risk in infants is quite high and the first encounter with COVID should be with the vaccine and not the virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. Ah, what is.

[Adam Curry]

Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to that. Listen to that ending again. That's very interesting what she says here.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[Guest/Reporter]

Bottom line is that the risk in infants is quite high and the first encounter with COVID should be with the vaccine and not the virus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their first encounter with COVID should be with the vaccine. What does the vaccine give you? Covid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, duh. But more importantly, why doesn't he ask her to claim, clarify when she says, which we know not to be true, that the risk for infants and kids is high for catching COVID Why doesn't he say, John Dickerson, say what exactly is the risk?

[John C. Dvorak]

How many times are you going to pose this question pretending that you don't know? This is a bought and paid for advertisement. We know this. This is obvious. He's not a journalist. He is a pitch man. And they did the same segment that was the evening news. They did it on the morning show.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

In this morning's Health Watch, as kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are going back to school, there's new.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

Guidance from the American Academy of Pediatrics recommending that children from 6 months to.

[John C. Dvorak]

2 years old get a Covid shot.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

Now, this contradicts the Centers for Disease.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control under Health and Human Services Secretary.

[Adam Curry]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which does not recommend Covid shots for any healthy children. CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder.

[Adam Curry]

Is editor at large for public health.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

At KFF Health News, and she joins me now.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning.

[Guest/Reporter]

Morning.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

All right, so why is the American Academy of Pediatrics made this recommendation?

[Guest/Reporter]

I think it's important to note that even before the American Academy of Pediatrics made this recommendation, there was a group brought together called the Vaccine Integrity Project, which includes some of the nation's top experts in vaccine science, as well as Bill Gates from the professional medical societies. They combed through all of the evidence since the last CDC review of vaccines to bring their recommendations up to date. And that review is what Informs the American Academy of Pediatrics newest recommendations and that affirms that the vaccines are safe and effective. Children or infants really between the ages.

[Adam Curry]

You're talking about the fee schedule?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's safe and effective and profitable.

[Guest/Reporter]

The six months and two years are those at highest risk for complications from complex Covid. Whether that's hospitalization. ICU because they have smaller airways, their immune systems are not fully developed. And by the way, under two, we may not even know if they have immunocompromising or other underlying medical conditions that put them at risk.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Jab. If they're under two, jab them up. And the same script comes out again.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

All right, so parents are stuck in the middle because this guidance conflicts with.

[John C. Dvorak]

The CDC's what are you to do as a parent? What am I going to do?

[Adam Curry]

Vaccinating.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm so confused. You've confused me. CBS people.

[AI Assistant (Error)]

Children against Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

So who should parents listen to? The science.

[Guest/Reporter]

I mean, look, the American Academy of pediatrics represents over 67,000 pediatricians across the country. These are the people who actually see.

[John C. Dvorak]

These children every day and cash the checks.

[Guest/Reporter]

Unfortunately, the federal guidance has now been shaped by politics, an ideology some people will try to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, wow, lady, wow. Politics and ideology. What's the ideology here? What's the ideology? This is. This is. These people are not serving the public. You pointed it out.

[Guest/Reporter]

And they will say that high quality studies are flawed. They will call for gold standard science, which is in reality garbage science. And they will say that this is about putting commercial interest ahead of public health, when in fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. What you said Ben, yourself. This is putting commercial interests ahead of public health. Yes, exactly what you're doing.

[Guest/Reporter]

And they will say that this is about putting commercial interests ahead of public health, when in fact this is.

[Adam Curry]

Stop, stop, stop, stop. What specifically? I'm sure this gal ask, but what specifically, what specifically, specifically are the commercial interests that she's talking about that they're putting ahead of public health? Who is profiting from what? Commercial interest is profiting from not giving a kid a Covid shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you listen to this, she's saying that they are saying I. E. RFK Jr. The way I understood it, RFK Jr. Is saying you're putting commercial interests ahead of health. And that would be twofold. One, the doctors who are.

[Adam Curry]

No, I thought he said that they're. That the RFK position.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen.

[Guest/Reporter]

They will call for gold standard science, which is in reality garbage science. And they will say that this is about putting commercial Interest head of public health.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will say that this is is about putting commercial interests ahead of public health. The commercial interests are the commercial, the shot. And Celine Gounder with her advertisement for Big Pharma right here on cbs.

[Guest/Reporter]

When in fact this is the first administration, Republican or Democratic to have politicized vaccine recommendations in this way ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Politicized, Politicized.

[Adam Curry]

What's the polit? I don't get the politics part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she's politicizing it. This is all Vadyashek by yourself. And there was a third bit here to this morning segment that I could not resist clipping for us.

[Adam Curry]

The vaccine advisory committee recently limited use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of a preservative called Thermosol. Yeah, it's thimerosol, you dork.

[Adam Curry]

Thermosol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thermur. Thermothermostat. Therm. Thal.

[Adam Curry]

The Vaccine advisory committee recently limited use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of a preservative called Thermosol and is now looking at other chemicals and vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Why are they these part of the vaccine? What's their use?

[Guest/Reporter]

So thimerosal is a form of mercury. Now people hear mercury and they think, oh, that's dangerous. We're talking about a specific form of mercury, ethyl mercury, which is not the dangerous form. The dangerous form is methyl mercury with an M. So. Mm. And routine childhood vaccines have actually been thimerosal free for years now. So it's not really even an issue now.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think she'll say next? What do you think she'll say? You'll say next.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, the methylmercury. I have some quibbles about the. Any mercury. Salt is bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please quibble away. I want to hear ethyl mercury versus.

[Adam Curry]

Ethyl mercury is a bad actor. But any mercury salt, elemental mercury is not bad necessarily unless it can be metabolized in some way, but it generally can't. But any salts. Salts are the things that the body can absorb. Absorb and cause poisoning.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what is the thimerosal used for?

[Adam Curry]

It's used for preservatives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Preservatives, yes. Preservers. But now wait for it.

[Guest/Reporter]

So big picture, if you're going to worry about methylmercury, worry about broken thermometers and those skin lightening creams, not about the vaccines. Now aluminum is another one Kennedy has also been concerned about. Aluminum nudges the immune system so that you get a longer lasting, more robust immune response with fewer doses. So that's a bonus. And there's no evidence that it's harmful.

[John C. Dvorak]

No evidence. Aluminum. Do you think that's a good thing to have in your vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they use it. What she didn't say is it's an adjuvant.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she didn't use the term.

[John C. Dvorak]

It kind of tickles your immune system, you know, to get you going.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because it's toxic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's exactly why these people. Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you can talk all you want. You're blue in the face. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Well, even though we don't have their actual names, Ben, we hope to have them very soon. And we'll gladly go back and proclaim them properly as secretary. Generals do have a couple of those coming up, thanks to the donors from today. Also, we have our meetup schedule. Got a ton of birthdays. We have John's Tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of birthdays.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of birthdays. But first, we want to thank all of our Treasure supporters. $50 and above.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Nathan Cochran. Or actually, Nathan. We got two Nathan's two in a row. Nathan. Trey Wick in San Antonio, $190 just came in under the $200 mark for some reason. Nathan Cochran, Franklin, Tennessee. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know where he's from?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's from Mercy Me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. He's one of the. One of the many famous people that like to listen to the no Agenda show to give them a leg up in any sort of personal debate with anybody in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the guys, they discuss it on the tour bus. They discuss the show on the tour bus? They do. That's how they pass the time. Like, did you hear what the boys said? What did they say? Yes, that's what they do.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Rita, there she is. She's in Sparks, Nevada, 10821. I'll read her notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need to interrupt. They just recently. We should consider this. They did a Mercy Me Alaskan cruise.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where you can join the Alaskan cruise. And Cruz.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounds like a money maker.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it does. I've had other people suggest this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do we want to do that?

[Adam Curry]

We'll talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm thinking no, but. Okay. I didn't expect you to say we'll talk about it. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Onward, 10821 from Dame Reed. I'm going to read her note. Itm John and Adam, thank you for your valuable skills in media deconstruction. First, exposing unfounded Claims by opportunistic actors, of course. Your great humor always helps. Also, happy 64th birthday to my husband Greg Harrington on August 23rd. And he is on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay.

[Adam Curry]

Rick Justessen. Justison. Justison. Maybe in Salt Lake City. 100. He's been a five year long listener. Doug Murray. Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray. There you go. 99.99. Happy birthday to the cotton gin.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not the happy birthday cotton gin. Cotton gin. Is it cotton gin's birthday?

[Adam Curry]

Cotton gin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I got to put cotton gin in the birthday. On the birthday. Listen.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's. It's probably on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, it is on there. Yes. Good. All right. Happy birthday Cotton gin does a lot on the. On the. On the stream.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Important part of the Mangasaurus Rex. Mangasaurus. I get it now. Mangasaurus rex in Kailua, Hawaii. 8888. And that's a birthday call out to his smoking hot wife. Bunny, bunny, bunny. Jobs. Karma at the end for him, if we can remember. Jacob Van Dison in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. That's 8833. And that's another call out for Colby. Another birthday call out. Colby. Eric Mackey. M A K I in Blaine's, Georgia. 8087. A lot of oddball notes that appear with these.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's funds for our new server. He's helping us with the cost of the new server.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's how we get. Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

Kevin McLaughlin, 8008. He is the Archduke Luna of Luna, lover of America and lover of melons. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. And he came with 8,808, obviously. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. 6,640. 66 books, 40 authors, sir. Kevin O' Brien in Chicago, 6,006. Wyatt. Worms, verms, vermis, wormies, wormies, wormies in Phoenix, Oregon. 6,006. India. Tango Mike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which means itm.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6,006. Samantha Vieira in Granbury. Granbury. Granbury, Granbury, Granbury, Texas. Fishy 5,821. Happy birthday to her husband, Freddie Scott Mangle. It could be Mengele, but I think it's mingle in Exton, Pennsylvania. 55, 555. Every time he sees floz, he thinks Florida ounces everybody. Zachary Maywood. He must be a young, young one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Zachary Maywood in Los Angeles, California. 5555. Dean Roker, 5510. Corey Cotton in Cleveland Heights, Ohio. 5510. It's another birthday for Corey Cotton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Loyal listener since double digits. Right, Right on, Corey.

[Adam Curry]

Right on, right on, right on, right on. Bill McFarland in Manassas, Virginia. 5510. Trevor MacKenzon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Malkinson.

[Adam Curry]

Malkinson. Sorry. Malkinson. In Courtney. Courtenay. Courtenay. I'm not sure how to pronounce it, even though I should. B.C. canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Courtenay. Courtenay.

[Adam Curry]

You don't know about how those Canadians mispronounce things. 55 things are expensive here in Canada. The family of four bill is over 3,500. The food bill is over $3,500 a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's only $75 in American money, so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, still high. Martin Verhaar in Kulmhout, Belgium, Culmhout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, by the way. Trevor and family. We appreciate, appreciate you doing that. Call them out.

[Adam Curry]

5272. We had some more Belgian donations. Kent O' Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland. 5272. Paul Terranova in Webster, Massachusetts. 5272. Dame Nancy there in Sam Bruno. 5244. She says donating is good for the soul. Also good for the show. Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas. 50. Oh, we are at the 50. So let's just rattle them off a name and location, starting with Scott. Then Noah McDonald in Traverse City, Michigan. Nice place. Terrence Boyer in Tuscaloosa. Tuscola. Tuscola. Sorry. Tuscola, Illinois. Andrew Gusik in Greensboro, North Carolina. Michael Psychora in New Richmond with Wisconsin AA Offerings in Dor Drecht.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dordrecht.

[Adam Curry]

In Netherlands, Dorcht. Rene Bernhardt. Grutte.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bernhardt's, Grutin.

[Adam Curry]

Bernhard, Grutten. And she's in Switzerland in St. Gallen, which I believe is a skiing area. Area. You could be wrong. Adam G. Hurst in Health. We love the Swiss.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do.

[Adam Curry]

Adam g. Hurst in Healthcoat, New South Wales, Australia. That's a 50. And last on our 50 list is Stephen Downing, and he's in Ogden, Utah. Greatest thanks to Adam and John for teaching me how to properly deconstruct the news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. All right, well, thank you to these donors. $50 and above. We appreciate you. Let me get the jobs karma out for those who requested it.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a reminder that we never read anything under 50 for reasons of anonymity. But we do see you all. Thank you so much for supporting us. No agenda. Donations.com is where you can do that continuously, anytime, any moment you think Wow. I got some value out of that show. Go to noagendadonations.com and support the show with any amount. And of course you could become a sustaining donor by supporting us with a recurring donation. Any, any frequency, any amount. It is all very much welcome and appreciated. No agenda donations, dot. Here we go. Maddie M. Wishes her blue collar baby Nixie a Happy one turning 43 today. Sam Trudelle turned 33 today. Sam and JC wish Freddie Vieira a happy one 21st. That's a birthday today. Matt. Happy birthday to Mike Ellison, turns 45 tomorrow. Mongosaurus Rex wishes his smoking hot wife Bunny a very happy birthday for tomorrow. Corey Cotton tomorrow celebration. Chris Illumina Naughty Jensen celebrates on the 23rd. Dame Rita Happy birthday to her husband Greg Harrington on the 23rd. Jacob von Doizen Dosen, his son Colby will be turning 2 on the 31st. Happy birthday to him. And not just from Douglas Murray, but from myself and John as well. Very happy birthday to Cotton Gin. And of course, happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. Now, I would like the back office to take note. We have four Secretary Generals. We do not have their names yet. So I will put together a special Secretary General awards ceremony, music and effects, etc. And we will come back to Steve Miller, Peter Fantino, Schuyler Firestone and Sir Ahab. They might not have even known that they were eligible for Secretary General because it is $500. They came in with 500 or more. So we will let you know and. Or you let us know and we will Secretary Generalize them. Post. Post. The actual event. Does that sound right? I guess so. It's going to be fun. I think we'll have some.

[Adam Curry]

Really John Dickerson couldn't do better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we'll have some very funny names to be congratulating. Two nights. Ready to go. If you got your blade, we'll bring them up on the podium. Podium?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you hit your head. All right. Up on the podium, Kurt Kiefer, Peter Fantino. Both of you have supported the no Agenda show in enough. Enough funds that is $1,000 or more can be in aggregate over any amount of time. That makes you both knights of the no Agenda Roundtable. I'm very happy and proud to pronounce the KV as Night Kurt of the Nongarungaro Creep Crater. Sir Peter, jockey of the mountains. For you gentlemen, we have hookers and blue rent boys and Chardonnay Beef Wellington and a shaken dirty Martini, Zebra schnitzel, Hippo, Hot links, a pilsner or two and one. Just one Camel filter cigarette along with that ginger ale and gerbils bong hit some bourbon, breast milk and pablum and of course mutton and mead. And you can head ON over to NoaGenderings.com take a look at those rings. They are very handsome. They are very beautiful. And if you give them us your ring size and an address to send them to, we'll send it to you with some sticks of wax with which you can use to, you know, seal your important correspondence. They are, after all, signet rings and it always comes accompanied with a certificate of authenticity. Congratulations to both of you and welcome to the no Agenda Round table. Yeah, the no Agenda Meetups. This is where you find the connection that always gives you protection. And of course it's where you will find the first responders in an emergency in your community. No reports today, no promos, but I can tell you that there's a meetup in Charlotte, North Carolina tonight, Seven o'. Clock. It's Charlotte's thirsty third Thursday. That is at Ed's Tavern. The Maastricht meetup happens tomorrow. That's in the Netherlands. 7 o' clock at actually it's at the avert bopp's house. So you want a RSVP for that. He is the guy from Disaster Tech Labs who is here helping out with the flood relief in Texas on Saturday. We have the McKinney media mockery, 12:30. That's in McKinney, Texas at the pub in McKinney. So that's an early one to get hammered. And the sorry it's been so long meet up in Cleveland, Ohio on Saturday at 6:30 in 56 Kitchen, Mayfield Heights. And finally we have the Outback Steakhouse Beef Tallow meetup. That's in Indianapolis or in Indiana, I'm sorry, Carmel, Indiana at the Outback Steakhouse. That'll be at 3:30. I think they had only one or two people the last time. So if you're around Carmel, Indiana, go to the Outback Steakhouse on our next show day that is Sunday 3:30 in Indianapolis. Just a few of the no Agenda meat open meetups coming up in this month and the next month. There's many more to be found including the October 11th Fredericksburg Hill country meetup at J6 or Jenny's Bar, the Half Moon, not the Half Moon, the Full Moon Bed and Breakfast center bar there. I will be there. I think we'll get the keeper out there and many more luminaries from the Texas area. Go to noagendameetops.com to find every single thing that is listed. And if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. And noagendameetups.com.

[Adam Curry]

You want to be where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody knows your game.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, before we get to John's tip of the day, we always like to show you how the sausage is made in Media Land. And we're going to do a little production meeting here, and we're going to select the end of show ISO. I actually have a lot of ISOs for today, so I'm going to roll through all of them, and then we'll. Do you have an ISO at all?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I have two that are probably. If you have a lot, you'll probably have a killer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's see what we have. I'm about to lose my mind.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. No. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eject. This is not a children's.

[Adam Curry]

Children's program. Now, we love the voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is not My Little Pony. I kind of like that one.

[Adam Curry]

I do, too.

[Guest/Reporter]

Authenticity and truth.

[Adam Curry]

A little.

[John C. Dvorak]

Little hollow, but okay. These guys are completely natural. And here we go. This, you know, we.

[Adam Curry]

We get into it deep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the final one. Everyone pretend podcast isn't boring. And that's what I got. So I. I think we both. I'll keep it up here. I think we.

[Adam Curry]

No, we're just bumping mine to the next show.

[John C. Dvorak]

We like these. This is not My Little Pony. I kind of like that one you're bumping.

[Adam Curry]

We have to go with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, you've got a lozenge, and we're putting your ISOs in abeyance, which.

[Adam Curry]

Means I am in lodging mode. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time, everybody, for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me.

[Adam Curry]

Just the chip with J.C. and sometimes Adam. All right, for everybody out there, it should be a gardener. If they're not, they should have potted plants somewhere in their apartment.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should be a gardener or just learn how to code.

[Adam Curry]

So the tip of the day are terracotta watering spikes. You can just Google it. Terra cotta watering spikes. They have them all over the place. And some they look like a giant carrot. And you fill them with water, and they water the plant. You put a bottle of water in the top, top hole, and it'll water plants without you having to attend to them. In case you're on vacation, you take a week off. You go someplace for the weekend. You have a plant in here needs watering. This takes care of it. It's a very good tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does it function?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it turns out that leaks. There's all these different mechanisms for watering plants.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what? You don't. Because most people get on Amazon, they'll buy some Internet of things connected watering hose thing. You don't want that. Why do we not want that?

[Adam Curry]

Because what happens if the neck goes down? What happens if you have your rotary boots? It's nonsense. Just have some simple device, a terracotta T E r R a C O T T. A watering spike. There's a bunch of people that make them and the ones you want to look like a carrot and you can stick up, you soak them first and stick them in the ground and then stick a water bottle in the top, fill with water and it'll drain as the soil gets dry. Dry. It'll leak out the water very slowly and keep the plant from dropping dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh. That is a very good tip. I like that. That is cool. That's an old school analog. How long will it last? I mean, how much water do you. How long will the water last from the bottle that you put into it?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I've never run out of water.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've never been out of the house for more than three hours.

[Adam Curry]

I don't go out of the house. I stay here.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody, you can find them all. Tip of the day. Net John's tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Bernetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go everybody. That does it for another, oh, three and a half hours of media deconstruction just for you, for your pleasure. We are working for you as a public service, not for big pharma, not for some ghoulish industry and certainly not for the podcast industrial complex. No siree. Keep it right here on the stream. If you're listening in the modern podcast app or Trollroom IO or noagenda stream, we have abs in a six pack coming up next on the stream. It's always a fun show to listen to and of course we will return on Sunday with more of your media deconstruction. End of show isos. I mean end of show mixes Sir Michael Anthony Neil Jones times two with a classic and a brand new one. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country in little old Fredericksburg Texas in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We return on Sunday. Won't you join us? Same time, same bat channel and always remember [e-mail] until then, adios, mofos a hooey, hooey and such.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

This was straight out of Putin's playbook.

[Adam Curry]

Putin's playbook.

[Guest/Reporter]

Well, we know this is definitely part of the Russian playbook.

[Adam Curry]

And the Russian.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Russian philosophy. The Russian playbook will not change. So I think that that is the Russian playbook.

[Guest/Reporter]

It is part of the Russian playbook.

[John C. Dvorak]

The tactics look familiar, like a page.

[Guest/Reporter]

From Russia's playbook because of what he called Russia's playbook on murdering people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clearly, Russia benefits the most from this, and it does fit the Russian paper. Russia's playbook.

[Adam Curry]

But what Putin is doing in Ukraine is actually straight out of the Russian military planners playbook.

[Guest/Reporter]

When the Republican party adopts Russia's authoritarian.

[John C. Dvorak]

Playbook.

[Adam Curry]

Distinguished guests and men and women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the finest military in the world, most of all, Admiral Muller, Deborah, Michael.

[Adam Curry]

And I. Michael and I. Oh, my gosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's a what?

[Adam Curry]

She's a what? No, Michelle is a transgender.

[John C. Dvorak]

We all know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a conspiracy theory.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my gosh.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a conspiracy theory.

[Adam Curry]

He's a conspiracy theorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a conspiracy theorist. Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Curry]

That's a conspiracy theor theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a conspiracy theory.

[Adam Curry]

It's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Audios Mofo devorak. Org Na this is not My Little Pony.