1793 - "Retribution"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1793: "Retribution"

Date: August 24, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Theme: Deconstructing the Media, Political Retribution, Government Overreach, Social Shifts, and International Shenanigans

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Episode Overview

In Episode 1793, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dive into current events and media narratives, dissecting stories dominated by claims of political retribution, government weaponization, and the ongoing erosion of journalistic integrity. The show traverses high-profile political raids, the circus of immigration policy, shifting generational values, international unrest, and the cyclical hysteria around “the R word”—Retribution. The duo also examine the performance of the media’s newest “celebrity” AI, practical labor market developments, and the ongoing fog surrounding global conflicts (Ukraine, Gaza). The episode maintains the No Agenda tradition of irreverence, skepticism, and humor while encouraging listeners to “do something” beyond complaining online.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Abrego Garcia Immigration Farce

• [00:22–07:08]
  • Coverage of the saga of Kilmar Abrego Garcia—a Salvadoran national facing bizarre deportation threats to Uganda after legal wrangling in the US.
  • Critique of media language: “Maryland man” becomes “Maryland father”; hosts mock Fox, PBS, and BBC for propagandistic phrasing.
  • Curry: “We have been doing business with Uganda. ... And as a non. Yes, the international arms dealer here in Fredericksburg continues.” [04:31]
  • US deals of sending deportees to Uganda, referencing the UK's failed Rwanda deal.
  • The “Catch-22” where betting on criminal records determines eligible countries for deportation.
  • Comedic anecdote: Ugandan pilots trained via YouTube to fly C130s, leading to frequent crashes and a perpetual demand for new planes.
  • Adam and John highlight the farcical element, questioning activist motives.

2. Political Retribution & Weaponization: The Bolton Raid

• [07:10–14:14]
  • Former National Security Advisor John Bolton’s home and office raided by the FBI allegedly over classified documents.
  • Media confusion: Was Bolton present during the raid? Three versions reported.
  • “Retribution” vs. “Justice”: Discussion on whether these actions stem from justice or targeted vengeance—especially after Bolton criticized Trump.
  • Adam: “This is the new. This is it now. Retribution presidency. The new R word this week starts right now.” [10:05]
  • John: “I purposely don't want to really get involved in it. I'm not a fan of John Bolton. I thought it was a sleaze bag, actually.” [08:41]
  • Michael Cohen’s TV commentary predicts Bolton will be indicted and likens his fate to that of Reality Winner.
  • Hosts debate the likelihood of Bolton being careless with documents and the media’s lack of nuance.

3. The Cycle of Outrage & the Emptiness of News Content

• [14:29–21:08]
  • Satire of endless media outrage cycles and the decline of gaffe-rich TV now that personalities like Rachel Maddow and Jen Psaki have reduced airtime.
  • Viral gaffe: An Associated Press anchor unable to read a simple news line, becoming symbolic of content dilution. Adam: “That person could be replaced by AI. That would actually be an improvement.” [20:48]

4. Labor Market Realities – Apprenticeships and Job Openings

• [21:08–27:32]
  • Boots-on-the-ground feedback: Skilled trades (electrician, plumber, machinist) are experiencing a resurgence, with plentiful apprenticeships even in Gen Z.
  • Air Traffic Controller “boots on the ground” report: FAA is desperate for young recruits; requirements and government job benefits discussed.
  • The gap between practical training and “useless” degrees highlighted; testimonials from workers in the field.

5. Gen Z Political Shift & Urban Crime Narrative

• [27:32–38:06]
  • John: Gen Z unexpectedly trending Republican—both men and, increasingly, women.
  • The Democratic Party assumes youth equals Democratic voting bloc and fails to see the shift.
  • Discussion of efforts (led by Trump) to "crack down" on urban crime (e.g., Chicago), with hosts debunking city statistics and criticizing under-reporting/misreporting:
    • Adam: “Notice the homicides. Well, you know, less people died from the shooting. There's other people maimed and full of holes. But it's, it's, it's good. We're trending down. Absolutely.” [32:10]
    • Crime numbers are being manipulated for political purposes; references to “The Wire,” and how local newsrooms no longer scrutinize public safety data.

6. Citizen Reporting & Independent Media

• [38:06–41:09]
  • Praising citizen journos like HeyJackass.com for real data on shootings.
  • Hosts bemoan the loss of local reporting, encouraging listeners to blog, start podcasts, or take to Substack.
  • Adam: “We got blogs, we got Substack. Get out there and start reporting on stuff.” [37:49]

7. International News Roundup

UK: Immigration and Social Malaise

• [43:20–48:55]
  • Anti-migrant protests; UK Labour faces internal backlash due to handling of immigration.
  • Boots-on-the-ground email from Peter: Middle-class Brits are "despondent," fleeing or wanting to leave the country amid economic and social decline.

Global Bureaucracies & The UN

• [49:04–55:27]
  • Spotlight on Amy Pope (International Organization for Migration) as the new archetype of international bureaucratic “evil”—run by unelected, unaccountable elites.
  • The UN’s expansion of “climate change = migration” rhetoric and the Western public’s complicity.
  • Adam’s recurring rally: stop complaining, act locally, and stop scapegoating “the elites.”
    • Adam: “You are to blame. That's what the problem is.” [55:27]

Africa: Nigeria’s Security Crisis

• [58:39–61:12]
  • Nigerian military operations against gangs, mass kidnappings, and the country’s status as homeland to most of the world’s black billionaires.
  • Humorous aside: Email scams (“Nigerian prince”) are GDP-sanctioned activities.

Ukraine, Russia, NATO

• [61:14–73:45]
  • Segment opens with NATO’s Mark Rutte speaking in classic bureaucratic circles (“interoperability,” “irreversible path” for Ukraine).
  • Ongoing sanctions and “decisive moments” for war: Trump’s approach to “massive sanctions or tariffs,” US restrictions on Ukraine’s use of long-range weapons against Russia.
  • Interview with Gen. Petraeus: Death tolls in Ukraine/Russia rivaling US losses in Vietnam; hosts skeptical of reported statistics.
  • Commentary on why Western media never show the war carnage—suppression aids arms sales.
  • Nord Stream pipeline sabotage suspect arrested (Ukrainian national) in Germany—hosts ridicule the official “explanations.”

Gaza/Israel – Competing Narratives

• [76:07–83:49]
  • Adam and John mock reports of “33 killed,” noting its frequent use as a “signal number” in reporting.
  • PBS interview with Oxfam about “man-made famine” in Gaza; hosts criticize fundraising spin and lack of balance in reporting.
  • UN condemnation of Israeli settlements and the international political positioning around Palestine.

Egypt – Finding Atlantis and Blaming Climate Change

• [85:09–86:27]
  • Discovery of ancient city off Alexandria is immediately linked to “climate change” by news reports. Hosts scoff.

Health “Panics”: Vibrio Bacteria, Radioactive Shrimp

• [86:39–91:19]
  • Confused health reporting about flesh-eating bacteria and radioactive shrimp tied to climate change and international food production.

8. US Domestic Policy Theater

Ghislaine Maxwell’s “Exoneration” of Trump (Epstein Case)

• [91:51–96:03]
  • Audio from interviews where Maxwell “clears” Trump of involvement in sexual misconduct—hosts lampoon the futility and performative nature of the release.

Mail-in Ballots “Fraud” Debate

• [96:03–106:20]
  • PBS segment examining Trump’s pledge to ban mail-in voting via executive order; expert debunks the legal possibility.
  • Discussion of the constitutional basis (Article 1, Section 4)—Congress, not the president, sets rules for federal elections; states manage the rest.
  • Hosts scrutinize language in the expert’s answer: “no evidence of fraud that could have affected the election,” suggesting space for mischief.

Tariff & Trade Policies

• [107:52–114:55]
  • US/Eu tariffs, elimination of the “de minimis” threshold on low-value imports (impacting Chinese e-commerce).
  • Discovery that the $800 threshold was set under Obama (via a Republican-sponsored law), now lowered to $100.

DEI Purge: Target, Smithsonian, and the End of “Wokeness”

• [169:24–174:49]
  • Target CEO steps down amid declining sales and backlash over handling of DEI.
  • President Trump targets the Smithsonian’s approach to DEI/wokeness; New York Times laments the political purge of cultural institutions. Hosts recall historical precedent for government-driven “culture cleansing.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On News Integrity:
  John: “This is not reporting. This is propaganda.” [01:14]
• On Urban Crime Stats:
  Adam: “I don't think I've heard it under double digits ever, just from the weekend. How many people were shot in Chicago?” [31:23]
• On Political Shifts:
  John: “The entire Gen Z is going to be a Republican voting bloc.” [28:01]
• On Complaining vs. Action:
  Adam: “Go run for your local school board, your city council...Stop your complaining and let the podcasters do the work for you.” [53:48]
• On Bureaucratic Elite:
  John: “These are lawless, faithless, ghoulish people who are in it for all of the wrong. They're in it for pride, for greed, for jealousy positions.” [57:08]
• On AI "Productivity":
  John: “It did nothing. Nothing at all. ... So, what's the point?” [164:21–164:29]

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Additional Show Highlights

- Podcasting Satire & AI Voice Parody

• Taylor Swift “appearing” on a podcast (AI deepfake clip: [41:48])
  • "I honestly think President Trump is the sexiest motherfucker alive. I mean, hot damn, that man is hot." – “Taylor Swift” (AI) [42:08]
• Hosts mock the content barrenness of modern measured, mainstream shows.

- TikTok & Social Media Satire

• Ban threats vs. government usage; the spread of TikTok culture into US politics.

- Gen Z on Work/Economy

• Viral TikTok rants: Soil biology PhDs can’t find jobs; complaints about having to "work".
• “As a leftist, I really don't want a job”—[126:17]

- No Agenda Tip of the Day

• John’s Culinary Tip: Pumpkin seed oil + balsamic + fresh tomato (preferably heirloom or Ace varieties) during peak season—[200:00]

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Segment Guide / Notable Timestamps

• Opening & Media Propaganda: [00:00–05:00]
• Immigration Irony (Abrego Garcia & Uganda): [02:09–07:08]
• Bolton/FBI Raid & Retribution Presidency: [07:10–14:14]
• Media Content Emptiness & Viral Gaffes: [14:29–21:08]
• Labor Market & Apprenticeships: [21:08–27:32]
• Gen Z Political Shift & Urban Crime Data: [27:32–38:06]
• Citizen Reporting & Media Accountability: [38:06–41:09]
• International News (UK, UN, Nigeria, Ukraine): [43:20–75:57]
• Gaza (Oxfam, Reporting Bias), UN Palestine: [76:07–83:49]
• Health Panics & Climate Excuses: [86:39–91:19]
• Mail-in Voting Debate: [96:03–106:20]
• Tariffs & Trade History: [107:52–114:55]
• DEI Culture Wars (Target, Smithsonian): [169:24–174:49]
• NPR & ‘Nerd’ Etymology: [175:11–178:46]
• Meetups & No Agenda Community: [193:21–197:36]
• Tip of the Day & Episode Outro: [200:00–end]

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Overall Tone

• Irreverent, humorous, and highly skeptical.
• Intentionally critical of mainstream media, official narratives, and public passivity.
• Encouraging listeners to take action, be informed, and connect locally beyond online complaints.
• Occasional playful self-mockery and extended asides about language, history, culture, and food.

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For Listeners

Best For: Anyone wanting a critical, comedic breakdown of the week’s political and media landscape—with a focus on the absurd, the propagandistic, and the unintended consequences of policy and reporting.
Tip: Follow the segment guide above for targeted listening. Episode 1793 is especially rich in commentary on recent political blowback, narrative-building in the media, and the importance of proactivity in public life.

Transcript

[John C. Dvorak]

Glowing in the dark's a giveaway. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, August 24, 2025.

[Adam Curry]

This is your award winning Gitmonation Media Assassination Episode 1793.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Weaponizing everything. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where Abrego Garcia wasn't mistakenly sent to El Salvador, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Craig Buc.

[Adam Curry]

I like the whole Uganda gamut myself. I think that's pretty funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have some clips on this and it's quite ironic. But first I want to make this. This was on FOX this morning and this they all say this Grego Garcia, the Maryland man, the Maryland dad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, Maryland man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Maryland was, it was Maryland dad at first. That has become Maryland father.

[Adam Curry]

Maryland father. Father from Maryland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, so they keep saying. And this was on fox. Mistakenly sent to El Salvadorian prison.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm outraged that Fox would have something wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please. It's just like they all use this adverb. This is like this. This is the same thing with Trump falsely claimed that the elections were rigged, that this is an adverb you throw at the beginning. This is not reporting. This is propaganda.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now I need to clutch my pearls.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should.

[Adam Curry]

I think the main. Has MSNBC changed the MSNow yet?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ms. Now, when does that happen?

[Adam Curry]

When does that happen? I can't wait to see the logo change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that means the logo. I don't know. I think it has to be taken over or it has to be. Somebody has to cut a ribbon.

[Adam Curry]

Cut a ribbon, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there ribbon cutting involved?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I wonder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, all right, I got two clips. ABREGO garcia, PBS all right, here we go.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Lawyers for Kilmar Abrego Garcia say the Department of Homeland Security has told them that the government plans to deport their client to Uganda. The Salvadoran national reunited with his family in Maryland last night after being released from a Tennessee jail. He's awaiting trial on human smuggling charges to which he's pleaded not guilty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today has been a very special day because three.

[Adam Curry]

Thank God I am back with family.

[John C. Dvorak]

After more than 160 days.

[Adam Curry]

And I would like to thank all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The people who have been supporting me because after such a long time, I am realizing that many people have been by my side.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

DHS ordered Abrego Garcia to report by Monday to an ice removal office in Baltimore. That came after he declined an offer to be sent to Costa Rica in exchange for pleading guilty.

[Adam Curry]

All right, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the whole thing was they're going to make their lives miserable. He's not going to plead guilty to this smuggling.

[Adam Curry]

No. Why should he?

[John C. Dvorak]

In exchange. And they'd ship him to Costa Rica. But no, they said, okay, if you're not going to do that, we're going to send you. They do a deal with Uganda.

[Adam Curry]

This is the best part.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

We have been doing business with Uganda. We do a lot of business, just people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're going to do business with human people. Well, the Brits wanted to do this with Rwanda, and they never pulled it off. But I think we might actually send a couple of dudes to Uganda. This is going to teach them a lesson. But there's a very strange irony to this, which makes it funny, at least to me. And this is the other clip. This is the clip from the BBC. A man who was wrongly, wrongly, wrongly deported by the Trump administration to a prison in El Salvador has been told by US Immigrants, immigration officials that he may now be expelled to Uganda within days.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

On Friday, Kilmar Abrego Garcia was freed from a Tennessee jail where he had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been held since his return to the United States. Earlier, Kampala said it had struck a deal with Washington to accept deportees from third countries, provided they had no criminal record.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, that's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the joke is that because he won't have a criminal record, they can deport him there. They can deport him there, but if he pled guilty, they couldn't. This is a great catch 22.

[Adam Curry]

We have been doing business with Uganda. We've been doing all kinds, including sending a lot of C130s I happen to know, since it might be someone in my circle who is an international arms dealer and sends them. And as a non. Yes, the international arms dealer here in Fredericksburg continues. Well, the. So they're no longer their military. I mean, this is how it works. This is how arms dealing works. The US wants to sell or has all these C130 transport planes, and Uganda wants to buy one. So there's an intermediary and it'll go through France. And so they send it to France, which is a friend of ours, but they don't really send it to France. They just register in France for an hour and then Uganda buys it from through the French entity, and then it can be shipped over legally. The great thing about it is that there's an endless demand for these C130s. And this is the Truth as he has told me that the pilots of these C130s in Uganda keep crashing them because they, they learn how to fly on YouTube. This, YouTube videos, that's how they learn how to fly them. So it's a, it's a great, It's a great, It's a great bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a great business.

[Adam Curry]

I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guys can't fly the planes. You gotta buy another one.

[Adam Curry]

The Ugandans don't seem to care. Oh, we need another one. So, so anyway, so now what is gonna happen to this guy? Is he, is he now finally going to go or. I mean, all the, like Canadian media was like, oh, and there he is, he's embracing his child and it's so good to be home. What happened to his wife?

[John C. Dvorak]

She was out and about.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but didn't she have a complaint against him for beating him? Beating her?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, two complaints of beating her.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you know, if you're going to hang out with guys like that, you expect to be beat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is a farce. It's funny, you know, it's totally funny, especially with all these people in Maryland, the governor and the lawyers and everybody. You, all the activists that want to save this guy because he was wrongly sent to El Salvador and now he's going to be wrongly. I don't know how they come up with this, but the Uganda thing is a gem. Yeah, but no, what's going to happen, he's going to end up pleading out and they're going to ship him off to Costa Rica back in the country.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Costa Rica is nice this time of year. Yeah, it's not that bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pretty good most of the year.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so I'd like to jump into the Bolton. Bolton thing was that Thursday when they were raiding his home, Was that Friday morning? That was probably Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was Friday.

[Adam Curry]

Friday morning, yeah. So everyone's in a tizzy about this. We go to ABC with your buddy Jonathan Carl.

[Interviewee/Guest]

John Bolton arrived home Friday afternoon just moments after FBI agents carried boxes out of his house and four FBI agents were still inside. They had been in there for nearly eight hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

For a second. This was one of the interesting things about it. There's been, there's three reports. One that he was there the whole time, unlike Trump in Mar? A Lago, that I can make that comparison. The second one was he wasn't there at all, never was. And the third one is this report which he was there half the time.

[Adam Curry]

Just one foot in, one foot out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't anyone get it? Straight?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no.

[Interviewee/Guest]

They had been in there for nearly eight hours. Sources telling ABC News the search was related to allegations that Bolton is in possession of classified records.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a fan of John Ball. He's a real sort of a lowlife, not a smart guy, but he could be a very unpatriotic. I mean, we're going to find out.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Bolton's Maryland home and also his Washington, D.C. officer were approved by two separate federal judges. Trump insisted he knew nothing about the search.

[John C. Dvorak]

I purposely don't want to really get involved in it. I'm not a fan of John Bolton. I thought it was a sleaze bag, actually. I saw it just so that I'll find out about it. But if you believe the news, which I do, I guess his house was raided today, but my house was raided. Also called Mar A Lago.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Minutes after federal agents descended upon Bolton's home, FBI Director Cash Patel posted on social media, quote, no one is above the law. FBI agents on mission. But what exactly is that mission? Enforcing the law or retribution?

[Adam Curry]

The big R word. This is what everyone likes talking about, Retribution. That's right. The President is just so mad about the raid on Mar A Lago. Who was that? Who? Remember, there was another raid. Who was on someone's house? And CNN had been called in advance.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's Stone.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Roger Stone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Roger Stone's house.

[Adam Curry]

It's like the new version of elite swapping. Swatting. I'm sorry? Elite swatting. You know, people get swatted all the time. But now it's like, I think I'll. I'll have the FBI raid his house. Yeah, it's cool. It's retribution right here on this show.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Two weeks ago, John Bolton harshly criticized President Trump. He said Trump was presiding over a, quote, retribution presidency. Twelve days later, the FBI showed up at his office and his home.

[Adam Curry]

This is the new. This is it now. Retribution presidency. The new R word this week starts right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a fan of John Bolton. I thought it was a sleaze bag, actually.

[Interviewee/Guest]

The FBI targets President Trump's former National Security advisor. Are you worried that they're going to come after you in some way?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it is a retribution presidency.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Good morning.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome to this Week.

[Interviewee/Guest]

In a moment, we'll get to the stunning developments coming into the weekend with FBI agents swarming around the home and office of former Trump National Security Adviser John Bolton. But first, the context. This didn't happen in a vacuum. John Bolton is on a long list of Trump critics who are now facing the wrath of President Trump. And his Justice Department. Trump himself has suggested that dozens of his enemies.

[Adam Curry]

I just love how they have no information, and it may very well be retribution. I'm sure there's a part of that, but I just love how they just make it up as they go along. Well, this is clearly retribution. This is obvious.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Trump himself has suggested that dozens of his enemies, real and perceived, belong in prison. He has said that about former Presidents Obama and Biden, about former FBI Director James Comey and former special counsel Jack Smith, all of whom have been threatened with criminal prosecution. So have former Trump administration officials Miles Taylor and Chris Krebs, New York Attorney General Letitia James and Senator Adam Schiff. Those last two have been targeted by Ed Martin. He's the head of what the Trump Justice Department calls the Weaponization Working Group. Last week, Martin stood outside of Tish James home in Brooklyn, New York, and posed for pictures dressed in a trench coat.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Very sinister. What is going on with our country?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like if it's what's going on with the media.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yes, okay, that's. That's fair point. That's exactly it. The only guy who actually had something kind of something to say was some content, which was quite surprising. But I think he's probably right. Was Michael Cohen, of all people, former Trump lawyer, and he was on msnow.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we have here is the Trump team, the DOJ going through, for example, the book the Room Where It All Happened, which I actually had read while I was in solitary confinement.

[Adam Curry]

You know, when you're in solitary confinement, I'm pretty sure you don't get a book to read because that solitary confinement is the shoe special housing unit. I think the whole point is you don't get a book to read. Or am I wrong?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, according to my.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I would think that you were right. Yeah, but it's solitary confinement. It's not, you know. Not the book reading club.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's supposed to make you crazy. Not the book reading club, which I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually had read while I was in solitary confinement. And they've noticed that there are many aspects of this book that appear to be of national security importance. And that's what I believe that they predicated this raid upon. I also believe that there's no doubt that he will be indicted. They will find documents once they go through, for example, his computer, they'll find the manuscript. They'll see emails going back and forth between John Bolton, his people, as well as maybe the attorney that reviewed it for, you know, for legal ease and for, you know, for questions. I believe that he needs to lawyer up and very much like what happened to years ago, Reality winner, that's a name that nobody talks about anymore. One document that was about Russian election interference ultimately had her incarcerated. She was a whistleblower, had her incarcerated for years. And I predict that John Bolton is going to suffer the same consequence.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, man, that would be so funny. Well, of course, once you get into someone's computer, especially someone like Bolton, you're going to find all kinds of stuff. The military contacts I have all say, oh no, he was, he kept handling classified documents. But the question.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I got, I did a little research too.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I found a couple of my research just.

[Adam Curry]

I called somebody, I texted, hey, you got any? Yeah, yeah, here. That was my research.

[John C. Dvorak]

A couple of people emphasized that Bolton was a stick up his ass type character who would never even think of having any sort of secret documents around the house that they'd be able to collect.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was also told that he was. Nobody likes him. And he was. When he was the head of the national security advisor to Trump. Trump never listened to him, ever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but Trump did hire him that school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but why?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, Trump hired a whole bunch of screwballs during that first term because he was advised to. So there's that element. But. And then you start looking at what Bongino wrote. Bongino also posted something which indicated that this was not about top secret documents or anything that might be this in the book. There's some sense that he was, he, he may have committed some sort of treasonous act or has been. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It just keeps getting funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so this. And because, you know, and I know, because we generally know people not as extreme as this character, but generally speaking, people with computers, they don't know how things are backed up. This even took place during the early era with Reagan when they were doing the Iran Contra stuff. And all these emails that were going back and forth and then deleted were backed up. They were available. And a guy like this is not a computer guy. He's going to leave stuff on his machine. And I've always said that the reason for the terabyte drive, once that was invented was just so that way it could accumulate evidence against you because you'd never clean it.

[Adam Curry]

No, the terabyte drive is to store the bitcoin blockchain. We all know that's the reason for it. It's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the point is, is that this guy may be in Big trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Well I wonder what they're saying down at the club.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

You know the fart sniffing club in New York? I'm still trying to get confirmation on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

UK you never will.

[Adam Curry]

The M5M just makes me laugh these days. I'll walk by and I'm like, okay, I'll probably get that story. But it's all so dumb. It's just on repeat over and over again and msnow. I'm just gonna get used to saying it. Msnow. Ms. Now. Yeah, you might as well msnow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unless they back off or we say miss Now.

[Adam Curry]

Miss Now. I'm miss now. They got that guy who's the president of the Washington Correspondence Association. He does the morning show on Sundays. All he can do is rant and rave like whoa, whoa. There's no. It's contentless. That's what it is. Contentless.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing has content.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's because they got all these hours to fill.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean even when CNN had their. They used to have the. That one station which became HLN and it was just headline news and they had that one woman who kept reading the news all day. It was just, it was pretty much an hour of news repeated with maybe some updates every hour. You can't. There's only an hour's worth of content.

[Adam Curry]

A day that they have to fill 24 hours with. So they jack in some people to talk about it endlessly.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they've created these 24 hour networks that there's nothing to talk about for 24 hours every single day.

[Adam Curry]

Right. But there's plenty to clip and it's all over social media. Whoa. Outrage. Oh, look at this outrage. Although I see that kind of. It is ever since Rachel Maddow cut back her hours and Jen Psaki went to pretty much non time I even know when she's on anymore. There's just, there's no gaffes. The only thing and gosh, I really wish I could have gotten original. Did you see the. The tweet going around the post on X of the ap? Gwen, I want to say Gwen Dyer, I think her name is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. She was trying to read a simple copy and she couldn't do it. This was posted by Tim Pool.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And I want that original so bad because that will be fun to. Because you know, you can't really play.

[John C. Dvorak]

It having somebody laughing over it while they're playing it. Yeah, I agree.

[Adam Curry]

I looked for it. I went on the podcast feeds because it looked like it came from a podcast feed. I'm sure they removed it. But that, but it was interesting because even I think even we forget explain.

[John C. Dvorak]

What it is to people that didn't get a shot.

[Adam Curry]

It was like an hourly report from Associated Press. And she's reading the copy and these news reports are very staccato, explaining exactly how it goes. And then President Trump without evidence, this kind of stuff. But she couldn't get one sentence straight. And she kept doing what we couldn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get one whole sentence.

[Adam Curry]

What we call pickups, you know. So let me see if I can give an example. Let me just grab a rando news headline. And so she would be. She'd be. Let's see. I'm just gonna grab something. Here we go. Pritzker said in a statement, the state of Illinois this. The state of Illinois at this time has received no recruit the state of Illinois at this time has received no requests or outreach from the federal. From the federal government. So she was doing all those pickups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she was doing. It was all. It was every. She could not get through a sentence with having to pick it up.

[Adam Curry]

And I can just see the engine sound engineer rolling his eye. His or her eyes, like, oh, I got to edit all this stuff together. It's gonna be a nightmare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. To make it sound like she can actually paste it out.

[Adam Curry]

But it was just. I mean, I'm sure they're not making the hundreds of thousands of dollars that some of the, like, NPR morning show people are, but I'm sure she's doing just fine. And it's like, oh, man, she. She really is just only a voice. That person could be replaced by AI. That would actually be an improvement.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would save money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was. And we got a lot of boots on the ground about apprenticeships. I don't know if you received any, but we were talking about apprenticeships. This was following on the news that plumbers now can make $150,000 a year. And I just wanted to. Can I share a couple of these? Because this is very interesting. I wish you would, gents. I was one of the youngsters who took up a lot of gen zers, by the way, in their late 20s. I was one of the youngsters who took up the call for skilled tradesmen. I can confirm that after finishing an electrical apprenticeship. So there are apprenticeships. The jobs are plentiful and everywhere. And as a journeyman wireman now training apprentices, there's a lot of young cats joining the trade straight out of high school. Young cats. Is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how is this new? But it is well, but you know.

[Adam Curry]

We were pretty convinced that it were no more apprenticeships. And that is, that's the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm still not convinced it's that prevalent, but okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in the morning. This is from Tommy Brake Fluid. You discussed apprenticeships on the last show. I wanted to tell you about my experience with apprenticeships. I graduated from my CNC machining apprenticeship about two years ago. I can't speak for other states, but in Michigan they're really starting to become more popular. Apprenticeships are regulated by the Department of Labor and they require you to work a total of 8,000 hours, which is about four years and take classes at trade school or college. In all the classes I took, about 90% of the class were also apprentices from other shops. Lately in my shop we've been getting a ton of new apprentices straight from high school. And then he goes through this quite a whole thing about how the trade schools were really good. But everybody, he said here. The trade school I went to in high school was fine. They taught the basics. But the college classes I took were terrible. I learned everything most of the classes were teaching because it, because I did it every day. The machining teacher didn't even have that much experience or even machining. He was only a couple years older than me. My shop one time hired one with a degree in machining from the same school. He knew absolutely nothing about machining. So not only are they turning out people with worthless degrees, but when they do actual apprenticeships, they don't teach anything. And then here's Alabama for plumber. Since we were talking about it, listening to today's show, I want to inform you all of a school we've created in our county, Baldwin county in Alabama that teaches kids or whoever the trades and replacement of traditional college. It bypasses apprenticeships. BaldwinPrep.com and then this is my favorite from the anonymous controller. I'd like to bring the NA family a notice about air traffic control job availability. There's a current. There's currently an open off the street hiring for air traffic controllers. Now before I read what he says, let's listen to the report from the M5M.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The Federal Aviation Administration is working to fill more than 3,000 air traffic controller jobs to end a decades long shortage. Now to help, the FAA has exp expanded its on site training by nearly 30%. But the expectations and pressure are high as reporter Pete Montin found out when he toured the training academy in Oklahoma City.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a rare inside look at.

[Adam Curry]

The epicenter of ending a chronic shortage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of air traffic controllers that's burning out workers and delaying flights nationwide. Lear 1 Hotel Delta here at the Federal Aviation Administration's controller academy in Oklahoma.

[Adam Curry]

City, students spend months in classrooms and simulators before moving to on the job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Training at towers and radar facilities that.

[Adam Curry]

Are struggling to retain talent.

[John C. Dvorak]

How bad is the shortage of air traffic controllers in the US Right now it's at a full blown staffing crisis.

[Adam Curry]

The latest estimates say the FAA is short 3,000 air traffic controllers. The newest moves by the Trump administration include slashing the time candidates wait to be accepted here and giving them pay bonuses when they reach key training milestones. We're thinking creatively on how we can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Supercharge air traffic control changes.

[Adam Curry]

Are working with the FAA just announcing enrollment here is now the highest it has ever been. The FAA says it rejects 90% of applicants and of the students who do get in, 35% wash out. I don't know if this news report doesn't want anyone to apply, but here's our anonymous controller and he or she says the requirements are pretty basic between ages between 18 and 31. U.S. citizen job history of three plus consecutive years or any higher education degree. Clean criminal record, English speaking. Although I can tell you stories where that has been ignored. For those interested in making a career off of not letting dots crash into each other on a video game screen, making good money, full government pension, retirement, full health care benefits should apply. The process is enduring as nothing moves fast in the government regardless of what duffy that's our FAA administrator claims. Go to USAjobs.gov create a profile, build your resume or on the website and apply to Air Traffic Control posting. Air traffic controllers are still in desperate need with the Biden administration's action in conjunction with the worthless pathetic Union during COVID P.S. this is not intended to take away business from Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. We appreciate that. So there's a real gig and I bet you it's fun. It looks fun to me. But I mean again, if this podcasting thing doesn't work out, I'm in.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should go to become an air traffic controller.

[Adam Curry]

I'd be doing a podcast number 277 Bravo 5. How you doing everybody? Good to see you. Don't crash into that dot on my screen please. We could do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, just like that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So I'm happy to hear that. This gives me hope. This Gen Z Something happened. Gen Z flipped around. They started to get their act together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gen Z is being underrated. There's a bunch of articles are Trying to explain this and that with Gen Z, a lot of it's bull crap. But I saw the table the other day. J.C. pointed out something. He says that according to the stats that the Gen Z men are all Republicans. They're coming up as Republicans. Yes, but the Gen Z women weren't. But now they are.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, because they're like, might as well get with the program here.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says that the curve has just gone all of a sudden taking a nosedive for the women and they're all becoming Republicans too. The whole entire Gen Z is going to be a Republican voting bloc.

[Adam Curry]

So what can we do to thwart that?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Democrats, I don't know what they, they don't know is happening. And they, the Democrats are still under the assumption that if you're young you.

[Adam Curry]

Got to be trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, besides that. No, they think if you're young you're going to vote Democrat because Democrat, because it's an idealistic idealism of the Democrats is, is more appealing than the conservativism of the Republicans. And so the youth will always vote Democrats. So they don't think this is anything that's worth worrying about.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm seeing it. I mean, I'm seeing it around here in Fredericksburg and I'm talking, you know, 25, 26 year olds and they're even giving up social media. The horrors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that would be a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it would be a fantastic start. I just wonder, is this an organic change? Is this something that just happens as a cycle? You and I have witness four or five generational cycles.

[John C. Dvorak]

As far as I'm concerned, everything's a cycle. So it's probably some sort of cycle. It's, it's a new one though. I don't, I don't know what, where it fits into the scheme of things.

[Adam Curry]

It's just got to be backlash. Backlash against, you know, looking at them at their millennials and going, yeah, that kind of sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's definitely an element of that because they do not get along with the millennials.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Anyway, it makes me kind of happy. I, I like it. I feel, I feel good about it. And also as, and I think you have a clip as well as, as was obvious to us. We've got a crime bill coming. And President Trump is reacting to the many calls, I guess on social media. I've seen them to clean up other cities besides Washington D.C. chicago's on deck.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

President Trump says the Windy City could be next as his federal crime crackdown. His comments coming the same day the Pentagon started ordering National Guard troops in Washington, D.C. to carry firearms.

[John C. Dvorak]

People in Chicago, Mr. Vice President, are screaming for us to come.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The President claims crime in Chicago is out of control.

[Adam Curry]

Now, when he says, Mr. Vice President, does that mean J.D. vance told him, or is he looking to just have someone in the room to back him up? Or is Vance the one who's on. On. On X looking at this stuff? Because I've seen it. What do you think that is?

[John C. Dvorak]

The events in this situation? I think it was just a prop.

[Adam Curry]

Only in this situation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Prop in a lot of situation. But this is one of them.

[Adam Curry]

This is one of them, yes.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Washington, D.C. to carry firearms.

[John C. Dvorak]

People in Chicago, Mr. Vice President, are screaming for us to come.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The President claims crime in Chicago is out of control. But city data shows violent crime trending down, including homicides, dropping more than 30%.

[Adam Curry]

There's that 30% number again. Isn't that interesting? This is like the Democrats who run these cities just respond in the same way and of course, no numbers. 30% of what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, 30% of what?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I listen to Darren O' Neill and he does, whenever he does Planet Ridge with Larry, he always does the Chicago shooting report. And it's. I don't think I've heard it under double digits ever, just from the weekend. How many people were shot in Chicago?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

But city data shows violent crime trending down, including homicides, dropping more than 30% this year. Mayor Brandon Johnson claims even though the Trump administration cut federal funding for gun violence prevention programs in the U.S. the city's investments in housing, community safety and education are having a positive effect.

[John C. Dvorak]

What we're doing in Chicago is actually working again. 32% reduction in homicides.

[Adam Curry]

That's not something to just blink at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, is there more work to be done?

[Adam Curry]

Notice the homicides. Well, you know, less people died from the shooting. There's other people maimed and full of holes. But it's, it's, it's good. We're trending down. Absolutely. So let's continue to do the work that's working.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Johnson says he is taking the work that's working.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's a political term. Do the work that's working. Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's continue to do the work that's working.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Johnson says he is taking Trump's threat seriously, something Alderman Brian Hopkins echoes. Both feel deploying troops would only increase tensions, not solve anything.

[Adam Curry]

If he really wants to help Chicago's law enforcement problem, he should give us a federal Homeland Security grant so we could hire 2,000 police officers. Chicagoans who know Our city.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Trump's order to send hundreds of troops to Los Angeles is currently at the center of a legal challenge. It's likely the same would happen if he tried to do this with Chicago. Johnson says they'll leave no stones unturned, including legal action, if it comes to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will use every single tool available.

[Adam Curry]

To stop this president from disrupting the lives of Chicagoans.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The President says after Chicago, he's looking to New York and la.

[Adam Curry]

Now. What do you know about the legality of this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Can the president not legal. The whole thing is a bluff and the dumb Democrats are buying into it and they think something's going to happen and this is all about the 2026 midterms and Trump's going to be able to walk away saying, well, we wanted to do this, we wanted to do that, but they were defending crime and they were lying about the crime. We already get. They're documenting left and right, the police, especially those police associations, the unions, documenting that the cops aren't doing their job when it comes to, like, reporting correctly. There's one guy that's been floating around in D.C. and he's been on Waters and all the other shows and he says the cops, you know, the guy, some kid gets shot is attempted murder, but they send him to the hospital as an incident. They don't even report it as such. So the numbers are. And the people are going to the computers and faking the numbers. So all these numbers are bogus. And they're documenting that. They're documenting the fact that the crime has actually gone up, not down. And then they're going to have, they're going to point the finger at the Democrats. So you want more crime, vote for the Democrats in 2026, you're going to get more crime because that's what they're doing. And this is just. He's not going into Chicago with the troops. It's just an idle threat.

[Adam Curry]

So you're telling me that the police in these cities today are fudging the numbers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, one guy was put on suspension in D.C. for it and he was a fairly well known lieutenant, I think was his rank. And they talked about him because his superiors, the guys running the city, the commissioners and everyone else. This was in the wire, by the way. This idea is they go, oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You'Re right, it was season one. Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was in the wire. Because this is what goes on in these big cities when they're trying to make their numbers look good, they phony up the numbers. Oh, it's down it's down. Vote us in again. And it's all lies. And they're starting to document this to an extreme. And I mean, the amount of bull crap in terms of the reporting is well known because they changed some ways of doing the reporting to the FBI. And we had this so called downturn in crime. It hasn't happened. This is nonsense. And they're going to document enough of it to keep the Democrats from getting votes.

[Adam Curry]

You know, why this, why this? Why they get away with this? And I think you're right. I mean, we saw it here in Gillespie county with the previous sheriff. We got a new sheriff and he's a new sheriff in town, Sheriff Ayala. But the previous sheriff would, you know, he would never report to the newspaper. We have a newspaper on Wednesdays only. Would never report, you know, the actual things that they were doing. And they weren't possibly even doing that much of it because we're a tourist destination. So. Oh, oh, we can't have that. We can't report on the drugs in Fredericksburg. We can't report on that. We can't report on all the people driving around drunk because that's what happens in an open, open carry, open container city state. No, we're not an open container state.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought all of Texas you could drive around with an open beer.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that's not what I was talking about. You can't drive around anywhere with an open beer. You can walk on the street in Fredericksburg. It's only one of six cities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because somebody from Texas backed me up on this.

[Adam Curry]

Cannot drive around with an I. I'm from Texas. I'm not going to back you up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you're wrong. From Texas.

[Adam Curry]

I've been here 15 years. You cannot drive around with an open container of alcohol in your vehicle anywhere. Beer either. No, you can have a gun, but, you know, there's no more local news. There's no city desk guy, you know, who's going in and knocking on doors and saying, hey, or going down to listening to the police scanner. Can't even listen to the police scanner anymore. It's all digital. That's the problem. There's no more local reporting. So that's why everyone gets away with everything. There's no. There's no city hall reporter. Maybe Chicago has one. The rest just sit at WGN and read the press releases. Wouldn't you?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's what.

[John C. Dvorak]

The pay is the same.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but we have this thing called podcast, people. You got blogs, we got substack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blocks.

[Adam Curry]

Get out there and start reporting on stuff. Well, that one guy who's, who's the guy who reports on the, on the Chicago, on the, on the shootings. That's a very popular. I think it's eight. I don't know if it's a, I think it's a blog. We've talked about it at some point.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't remember. Yeah, well, well there's so many. You that your full time job reporting on the shootings in Chicago.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let me see what's about Chicago. Somebody knows that. Anyway, what do you have on this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have a couple of things. I have the, there's been a lot of the, the Democrats going on and on about DC crime. This, I, I picked this up from ntd. This was. The Democrats are saying there was no crime. People are upset that the, you know, they're, they hate Trump for doing this and they hate him for, because there's no real crime in dc. It's not that bad. I live here, they say and it goes on and on. So the NTD has a, this is clips DC crime man on the street. Okay.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

And just a little more than a week into the federal takeover of D.C. police, the Trump administration unveils data showing a large number of arrests happening in high crime neighborhoods. What do residents in those areas make of the crackdown entities? Sam Wong was out in DC's Anacostia neighborhood to hear from the people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You feel safe being out here? Oh, absolutely. You know, other than the presence of the law enforcement, everything is, you know, as it always has been.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

There has not been any altercations as.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was in the past. Shooting almost every other night, sometimes every week. You know, sometimes. I mean, when I say shooting, I mean they shooting. Oh, broad daylight, sometime at night time mostly, but you do here in the daytime. Have you noticed an increase of law enforcement presence around here?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Yes sir, I have noticed a lot is a more increase but it takes.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S a shame that it takes Donald Trump to bring all these people in for the police to come outside and do their jobs. Actually this is my, actually my first.

[Adam Curry]

Experience with this, the law enforcement and.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm man, it's cool.

[Adam Curry]

I don't, that doesn't bother me them being around here.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, if you're doing what you're supposed to do, guess what? Hey, they're doing the right thing.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, jackass.com, that's the website. That's the guy who reports on. Hey, Jackass. August shot and killed 24, shot and wounded 156 total shot, 180 total homicides, 26 last week, shot and killed, 8 shot and wounded 37 total shot, 45 total homicides, 8 the year to date. Shot and killed in Chicago. 229 shot and wounded, 1056 total shot 12, 85 total homicide, 275. The guy's got graphs, got all kinds of stuff. He's got merch.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got merch. He's got merch with spent shell casings.

[Adam Curry]

Theheyjackass.com yeah, so that's the kind of stuff that we need and people need to talk about these things. Hey, I'm gonna put it in the show notes. Heyjackass.com It's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I think we've covered that enough.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, what else you got then?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I got some TikTok clips, but.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, really, you're going to start off in the first half.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm going to push that off to the second half. I do have, you know, Taylor Swift finally came on a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on, everybody. And now back to real news. Yes. On her boyfriend. Yeah, her boyfriend Kelsey's podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

She came on to plug her album and somebody. This is a good, kind of a compressed version. This is not safe for work, by the way, for anyone out there that's got kids. But listen to Taylor. This is kind of a surprise.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Thanks for having me. This is my first podcast.

[Adam Curry]

This is amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for coming on.

[Adam Curry]

What took you so long to jump on podcasts?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You know what? I just. I was waiting for you guys to invite me. This is my favorite podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let's jump into the nitty gritty.

[Adam Curry]

Who do you think is the sexiest man alive today?

[John C. Dvorak]

It can be Travis or it can be anyone else. Who is the sexiest man in your opinion?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

I mean, honestly. And I'm sorry, baby, that you're going to have to hear this. I honestly think President Trump is the sexiest motherfucker alive. I mean, hot damn, that man is hot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I totally agree. That is a sexy beast right there.

[Adam Curry]

But aren't you a Democrat?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You know what? Fuck the dnc. You heard me. Fuck these woke ass liberals telling us Joe Biden was sharp as attack. The man was fucking retarded. And why the hell did they lock us down during COVID Whoops.

[Adam Curry]

I guess we lost the signal there. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, AI, of course. Very funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the sad part is I had never listened to the. The. The Kelsey brothers podcast. They're actually not bad as podcasters go. I, I was quite impressed with them, you know, it was better than that AI version of it for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I thought this AI version which counters the one you played last show. Yes, and so if you're going to play them, I'm playing them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, that's fine. I'm totally okay with that. Anything but the TikTok ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go to the UK with some UK anti migrant action to follow up on our flags Raising the Colors.

[Adam Curry]

Movement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anti migrant protests have taken place in about a dozen towns and cities in.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The UK focused on the use of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hotels to accommodate asylum seekers. In Liverpool, more than 400 people joined a march calling for migrants to be deported. In several locations there were counter rallies by anti racism protesters. Our political correspondent Ian Watson says migration.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Is proving a difficult subject for the Labour government.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

The concern over asylum hotels has put a renewed focus on Labour's records since they came to office. I think the other problem which the current Labour government has is this. Some of their MPs are telling me that in areas which are traditionally ones which they would a general election, some people are now becoming so concerned about migration, especially the small boat crossings, that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re not listening to the party and.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Other issues and they're facing some regional and national elections next May and they're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very concerned that unless they make greater progress on this issue, they'll start losing.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Support to other parties.

[Adam Curry]

Now it's interesting the BBC takes it purely to politics, not about the outrage of the people who pay their salary through. Yeah, of course, forced payments. You know the, the television payment scheme I think is what it's called, which is one of the, the oddest things they have in, in the uk. I mean they, they tax people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think a lot of people realize what it is. You should explain it.

[Adam Curry]

I actually, I think I have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a license you have to buy to watch tv.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I think I actually have it. I had a.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they float around the neighborhoods with these trucks with giant antennas on them because the signal comes off of a TV even though it's a receiver. Yes. And so if they spot, they'll go by your house if you don't have a license and they'll just aim this dish at you. And then if they sense there's a television in the house, they will fine you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Regardless of what you use your television for, if you have it and it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is done by the tuner, gives off a signal, that's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

But also you can't buy it unless you buy a television. From the guy on the street corner, like it's crack. They register. You have to register your name. Because I live there. I went through it and it's not cheap. It's like 150 bucks a year, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not cheap. That's true.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm not, and I'm not even sure what the genesis of this is. Why don't they just. I think it was because they didn't want it to be a straight up tax. Coming out of the tax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Originally it was designed to pay for the BBC.

[Adam Curry]

No, it is designed, it's specifically designed to pay for the BBC. The reason they didn't want it to be a tax is so that it wouldn't be a political football, like, I don't know, Corporation for Public Broadcasting. So that that couldn't happen. What happened here could not happen to the BBC. In contrast to that. Well, not really contrast, but this is the Euro News short report about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Protesters took to the streets across the UK on Saturday to demonstrate against hotels housing asylum seekers. In Liverpool, crowd could be seen carrying the St George's Cross and Union Jack flags. Police could be seen leading people away from the abolish asylum system protest, a term coined by right wing political parties. Demonstrations were also set to take place in other cities including Bristol, Newcastle and London this week. Temporary injunction blocked housing asylum seekers in a hotel on the outskirts of London, reigniting the debate. Counter protests were also held.

[Adam Curry]

So we got a boots on the ground from Peter. Peter, Here he is here in the uk. It's worse than you and John think. Almost everyone I speak to with a decent job, business and family is despondent. That's a good word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

What does despondent mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually, it's depressed. It's a kind of depression that is not good, you know, hang dog type depression. Oh, I feel so bad.

[Adam Curry]

They think the third world takeover is inevitable. Every town now has half a dozen vape shops, Turkish barbers and shawarma takeaways. With no customers and big Mercs outside, the housing market is stalled. I've heard this from a number of people. There are eight houses for sale on our small village high street. None have sold for months. Five years ago they would have gone within a month everything has gone up in price. Food inflation is out of control, highest electricity prices in the world, property taxes jacked up and taxes on home value and inheritance are threatened. Investors are putting their money abroad. And in the City of London, mergers and IPOs have flatlined. UK companies are listing in the US rather than the London Stock Exchange. I speak to so many people who want out. I've never heard so many people who are looking for places to get their family and money out of the uk. We certainly are. Right. I'm going back to the garage. The garage where I'm laying down the keel for Mayflower too. He said he wants to be a plumber in America. Come on over, Peter. We can use plumbers. We should have special visas. Special visa for plumbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So one of our producers sent in a note mentioning that Satan is probably Amy Pope.

[Adam Curry]

You mean from the UN Yeah, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

International Organization for Migration, which is an operation we should revisit once in a while. So I tried. I looked up Amy Pope. She worked for Clinton, she worked for Obama. I mean, she worked for Hillary Clinton, she worked for Obama, she worked for Biden. She was in charge of. She was the real border czar that opened the borders, it looks like. And so you try to find anything. She doesn't have a wiki entry except in Deutschland.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's got a wiki page, is in Germany. And even though she's in America, I don't get that whether trying to cover it up, but she does have a sketchy. She's not sketchy in her education or anything, but she's part of. What's that? Chatham House, you know, which is a nice six front in the uk Chatham House and some other spooky operations. She's got some connections to, obviously a bad actor. And it's all funded by us. Why does the American public put up with this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, why are we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are we dropping our money into these organizations that are all centered at the U.N. the U.N. really. When I was a kid. When I was a kid, we used to have a pharmacy in Albany and this during the Berkeley era. And when there was protests and all this stuff going and there was right wingers and they wanted the. And they had all these bumper stickers on the window. And one of them was always get the U.S. out of the U.N. or get the U.N. out of the U.S. and it actually was done in such a way to get the United nations, get the U N out of United States. It was some pun, snazzy. And it was a bumper sticker. And they. And, and I. Everyone always thought what a silly group of people, these birchers. There's a John Birch Society bookstore about three doors down. And we always thought that they were kind of nutty. But looking back on it, they were ahead of their time. The way I see it now, was I a buffoon back in the day. I guess so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, okay, so you bring up an interesting point first. You know, we have discussed Amy Pope quite a bit. Quite a bit. I'll play a shorter clip from last year. She is the head honcho at the International Office of Migration.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

We just finished an incredible day and a half for the International Dialogue for Migration. We had singing, we had dancing, we had artwork, and we had extraordinarily thoughtful conversation about the impact of climate change on human mobility. Now, as we move toward COP28, it is critical that we put all of these ideas into action. Action that enables people who are impacted by climate change to find better solutions, whether they're already on the move, whether they are looking for options to stay at home, or whether they need new opportunities because climate change will cause their own options to disappear. The time for action is now, and IOM can't wait to be part of it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so there's a lot of clips. A lot of it is about climate change. And so when we look at the climate change organization, because people always want.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, it is the international organization, not office.

[Adam Curry]

What? Did I say? Office?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's got 20,000 people. Big office.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but that's the point. What has Grown over, not 10, not 20, not 30, but probably 60 years, is the climate.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's started in the 50s.

[Adam Curry]

The climate, okay, 70 years. The group of climate scientists and climate people who are just getting billions of dollars to waffle on about climate change. So we had a couple of producers who sent in notes like, well, you know, the true evil is the blackrock, the Rand Corporation. You know, there's all these layers of headquarters in all different places, and everybody wants to blame a group. And of course, you know, my favorite, the Rothschild Soros. You can go on and on forever blaming individuals. Obama, Obama, Biden, Clinton's. We have good and evil in. In the world. That's just a fact. But the only. The. Because you said it. The only people you can truly blame is ourselves because we just sit around and puke on social media about how they're no good, they're doing this, they're doing that. Go run for your local school board, your city council, for, you know, your. Your. Your state house or senate.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree. You should stop your complaining and let the podcasters do the work for you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're actually doing something. We do highlight this. And so when Covid is when a lot of people woke up, but then they still default back to Fauci, World Health Organization. We f. Davos. Get off your blessed Assurance and go do something about it. You're allowing yourself to be treated as a doormat. That then social media is perfect. It's perfect, everybody. Oh, I feel much better now. I posted that. I trolled him. That's right. I've left a comment. No, you're doing nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This, this idea of doing this kind of public complaining like this predates modern social media. You'd find the same thing in the, in the old fashioned, you know, a l aol chat room.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, I'm not just saying it's just people just.

[John C. Dvorak]

And moan nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's exactly it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they should leave it to the professionals.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we are professional bitches and moaners. But I think we did help a lot of people resist in whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no doubt about it.

[Adam Curry]

Resist against, you know, the COVID measures to at least have an idea of what was going on. And we, and we all really failed in many different ways. But we need to take these lessons and stop pointing fingers at groups of every single no agenda telegram group is filled with this. The Dutch are the worst. Oh, I love them. But I, I lurk. I see what you're doing. Oh, look at that guy. Look at this article about that guy. That's bullcrap, man. That's just bullcrap. That's the elite.

[John C. Dvorak]

There they go.

[Adam Curry]

The elites are doing it. You're doing nothing. It's your own fault. You are to blame. That's what, that's what the problem is. All right, I'll stop preaching now. But it's, it's because people need to wake up, do something. There's plenty of stuff you can do. I was part of the screw it up generation. I was having a good time in the 80s. Hey, man, I'm making bank. I'm at MTV. I'm on the radio. School board loser. Couldn't get a better gig. Yeah, and so maybe, maybe the gen zers are, are, you know, look what they're doing. They're homesteading, they're moving out of the cities. They're homeschooling. Yes, they are. Yes. I get tons of emails. The farmer's wife, she got 17 kids at home. She's taking care of them. Gives them a little bit of an injection with the no Agenda show, but okay, you can listen to this and check it out. This will give you an idea. And the Brits, God bless them, they're finally saying, no, no, no, no, no, we're, we don't want this now. It's going to be a tough nut to crack over There because, you know, if you look at the video of those reports, they're busting. The cops are busting heads and rousting people. So your wake up call came at the beginning of the, of the, of 2020. If you didn't take that as your wake up call. And so you can point to as many people as you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

But you need to be pointing at yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I'm going to be pointing at Amy Pope, okay?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, boy. Amy Pope. She's just a symptom of the overall problem. These are lawless, faithless, ghoulish people who are in it for all of the wrong. They're in it for pride, for greed, for jealousy positions.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you might be wrong on that. They might be sincere.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I don't think so. Every. Everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you, you always underestimate sincerity.

[Adam Curry]

Well, regardless the answer, it lies within everybody themselves. Or use that stupid phone of yours to organize somebody and go do something. Have you ever really shown up somewhere and said, hey, we're sick of this. Have you ever been a part of that? I'm not talking about, hey, hey, ho, ho, Trump has got to go. I mean, like, really showing up at a meeting where it matters and not just. It's like the. There's. The one I think is a pastor. The black guy goes to the school board meetings and he'll read from the books that, that are in the, in the school.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

And they'll, and they'll. But that's. That's what I'm saying. He's great. Yeah, it's great for social media. Oh, man, I can't believe they pulled that guy out of there there. But why don't you run for the school board, do something real? All right, I'm done. I've said it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said that already.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's why I stopped. I'm. I said it.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about a moment for African news?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Dude, we're going to have the lowest troll room numbers ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a short clip. It's less than a minute. Or maybe it's a minute. Okay. Unfortunately, it says Niferia, but it means Nigeria gangs. You heard about this?

[Adam Curry]

I know there's no. I don't know about this. I know something else about Nigeria, but let's get this first.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Nigerian military says it's carried out an airstrike on a bandit camp in Katsina State in an operation to rescue.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Dozens of kidnap victims.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lack of security has remained a serious problem in much of Nigeria. Nigeria.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Despite a promise by the government to tackle the issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

More from David Bamford.

[Adam Curry]

Reports say 76 people were able to escape as a result of the airstrike. One child died during the rescue. The military operation on Friday evening took place at a location known as Pawa Hill, from where the criminal gang has been raiding local communities. Last week, they shot dead 30 civilians in a mosque in the town of Malumfashi, and 20 others were killed in surrounding villages. The gangs kidnap people for ransom and exact retribution on communities that do not pay. Wow, sounds great there. In Nigeria, I saw a list of the richest black. No, the list of the world's black billionaires. So black being just skin color, not necessarily black American. Yeah, black, 70% from Nigeria.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably all scammers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think I got an email from at least five of them, but, yeah, billionaires. I had no idea. A couple of them live in the States. Couple? I think one or two live in the uk. But the Nigerians, man, they know how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, scammers. In fact, you know that the Nigerian scam where they used to make all kinds of money just sending notes out to people is legal in Nigeria and it's considered part of their gdp.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know they consider it part of the gdp, but I didn't know that it was just super legal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What's illegal about it?

[Adam Curry]

It's a scam. Well, they're scamming other people, so I guess that's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're not scamming their own.

[Adam Curry]

Let's check in with what's happening with Ukraine and with Russia. I would say it's always good to start it off with a little bit of our buddy. Yes, I know you've been waiting for it, Rutte, because, you know, he's trying to keep it all together there. He's trying to keep everybody in line, which means he's trying to help President Trump get the trilat together, or at least a bilat, which seems kind of improbable now, but he's also trying to keep all the Europeans happy and trying to keep Zelensky happy. And he's talking out of his butthole, clearly. Ukraine and NATO, the us, Europe, Ukraine, NATO. We are all working extremely well together. Oh, really? We are working perfectly together. As I mentioned, we have jointly with Ukraine a organization in Poland to capture all the lessons. Oh, we capture all the lessons. We are documenting it. We taking copious notes of what happened from this terrible war. Terrible. And to understand what it means for all the nature plans in the future for Ukraine itself, for the Build armed forces in the future. What lessons we can learn. We have to command in Wiesbade. How about this? Don't poke the bear from which we organized together with Ukraine, all the support for Ukraine in this war from NATO allies. Here we go. What is the support? We are heavily involved in making sure that the Ukrainian armed forces, also longer term, will be as interoperable as possible of the highest standards compared with NATO. This is a sales talk which means interoperable means you can only have our NATO bullets and weapons. We have the Comprehensive Assistance Package. We have this new initiative thanks to President Trump. Ah, buy our stuff by buying from American stockpiles, from the US Military lithograph weapons and of course, air defense systems and interceptors to be paid for by the Europeans to actually being delivered to Ukraine. So NATO, so it's a great system. America sells it to Europe, Europe pays for it, but it goes straight to Ukraine. It's dynamite. People is involved in all of this. And we agreed in Washington there is an irreversible path for NATO, for Ukraine into NATO, but an irreversible path for Ukraine into NATO. That can't be true. And it is true that a couple of NATO allies, including the United States, but also Hungary and others have said not now, maybe never. This is for the future. But what we are doing in the meantime is making sure that we work as closely together as possible. We are doing that. So don't worry. You're going to get into NATO. It's all going to happen. Not now, maybe never, but we put a little NATO flag here. You're coming, you're coming. It's okay. It'll be good. My word. So Here is. Here's France. 24 hopes are dim for the Putin Zelensky peace summit give NATO talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

With the end of the war in Ukraine nowhere in sight, the Ukrainian President Zelensky is saying Russia doesn't want that. That he spoke as he met with NATO chief Mark Rutte to talk about security guarantees for Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

The Russians will try to do something else now to avoid a meeting. The issue is not just the meeting. The issue is that they don't want.

[John C. Dvorak]

To end the war.

[Adam Curry]

A bilateral meeting is one of the components of how to end the war.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to see if Putin and Zelensky will be working together. That's like oil and vinegar a little bit. President Trump on Friday said in the Oval Office that the next two weeks would be crucial.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

What are the two ways you can go at the end of two weeks, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then I'M going to make a decision as to what we do and it's going to be, it's going to be a very important decision and that's whether or not it's massive sanctions or massive tariffs or both or do we do nothing and say it's your fight, Putin is ready. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, meanwhile, said in an interview to US Media that there would be no Putin Zelensky meeting because the presidential agenda had not been.

[Adam Curry]

Set and this agenda is not ready at all. Yeah. So clearly the Europeans are telling Zelensky to chill out and the unthinkable has happened. President Trump has said, you know, I don't think we'll give those nutjobs any lethal weapons, any long range weapons right now because that could turn out really bad for the whole process, which, as we know, is only about President Trump wanting a Nobel Peace Prize. That's what this ultimately is all about. We all know that, that. So let's listen to Jonathan Karl again on ABC this week, by the way, with General Petraeus. So when they pull a guy like that out, I'm thinking military industrial complex is worried about the current status.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Let me get to something else that President Trump said this week. This is a post on social media. He wrote in part, it is very hard, if not impossible to win a war without attacking an invader's country. It's like a great team in sports that has a fantastic defense but is not allowed to play offense. There is no chance of winning. It is like that with Ukraine and Russia. He went on to say that it was Biden that wouldn't let Zelensky, wouldn't let Ukraine attack into Russia. First of all, what's your take on what the president was intending to say there?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very valid observation. It's spot on. And interestingly, as we learned in a story overnight, it's contrary to the Pentagon policy. This is another case where it appears that the Pentagon is carrying out policies that conflict with President Trump's inclination. Now, I can understand why they would limit the use of certain long range systems against Russia when they think that Russia might still be willing to make a deal. But that should be very clear not to be the case at this moment. And I hope that there will be a review of that policy. Indeed, that was exactly what the Biden administration did in the past. They were overly sensitive endlessly about how Russia might react to something that they provide to Ukraine. And they were restricting the use of the army tactical missile system and others. And so I hope that that will get a review in the White House and therefore a change in the Pentagon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we gotta kill some Russians, man. Come on. We need, we need long range stuff. Let's get it going, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Interviewee/Guest]

This is a Wall Street Journal report. Overnight you're referring to saying that the Pentagon has been blocking Ukraine's use of those long range missiles inside Russian territory. Obviously the Ukrainian military has been using drone attacks which are far less lethal. But, but let me, let me get your sense of the, the human cost of this war because I know this is something you've spoken about and I find, listen to these numbers, astounding. You know, upwards of 20,000 just on the Russian side getting killed every month in a matter of just a few months. A greater death toll than the entire US Death toll in the Vietnam War. I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's staggering. Jonathan, again, as someone who had five combat commands as a general officer and wrote letters of condolence to America's mothers and fathers almost every single night of those commands.

[Adam Curry]

He's not talking about Vietnam. Is he talking about Iraq?

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess I don't know what he's talking about. And I like the way they talk about his generalities. They should mention that the numbers killed in Vietnam were 50,000. It's a number. Everyone knows what it is. It's not a huge number. It's not like massive numbers, not like the 20,000amonth. It's staggering. Jonathan, again, as someone who had five combat commands as a general officer and wrote letters of condolence to America's mothers and fathers almost every single night of those commands. I can't fathom, I can't process, if you will understand the magnitude of the losses on the Russian side. It's now estimated that over 1,060,000 Russians have been killed or wounded in this war. And of Those, well over 500,000 have been so seriously wounded or killed that they couldn't even return to the front lines. This has to have over time.

[Adam Curry]

I think the dead of the 500, the dead in the 500,000 number probably couldn't return to the front line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I didn't think so. A very, very substantial impact on the ability of Russia, Russia just to find a civilian workforce as well. In fact, it's reported that they were actually looking in Africa for women who can actually replace some of the men in Russia in various industries.

[Interviewee/Guest]

And of course, we've seen they've also tapped North Korean military soldiers fighting on the ground in Ukraine. Quite extraordinary.

[Adam Curry]

And again, you have to go to Telegram to see pretty much any of this death and devastation and destruction of soldiers on both sides. The Ukrainian numbers are staggering. It's just noteworthy again that the M5M never shows any of this ever, ever. Why is that? Is that because we don't want to disrupt the arms sales? Is that part of it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Boom. What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

That would be the only reason I can think of. We don't want people.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a pretty good reason.

[Adam Curry]

We don't want people actually outraged about this war. We don't want that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. In fact, we want. Going to betray us. We want to send some deep missiles into Russia to make it worse.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because that's a great idea. And then just to add some more humor, on top of it all, we have some arrests in the pipeline bombing. Yeah, it's a sailboat, guys. Again, this is what it looked like in the Baltic Sea in September of 2022, following an international act of sabo gas bubbling up from the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines. Results of a well coordinated attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Thursday, almost three years later, authorities.

[Adam Curry]

In Germany announced an arrest.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

After three years of meticulous detective work, it's truly an impressive investigative success.

[Adam Curry]

The explosions were so powerful, they registered as seismic activity along the gas pipelines which run from Russia to Germany and came just months after Russia launched its first full scale war against Ukraine. German prosecutors identified the suspect as Serhii K. A Ukrainian national, saying he had been taken into custody in a seaside resort on Italy's east coast. Investigators say the suspect helped coordinate the bombing carried out by divers who charted a sailboat from a German port using fake IDs and licenses and planted explosive devices along the underwater pipeline. The pipelines were not operational at the time because of Russia's aggression against Ukraine. Germany refused to use Nord Stream 2 and Russia itself had cut off gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

From Nord Stream 1 In apparent retaliation.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

For Europe's support for Kyiv.

[Adam Curry]

Ukraine has denied any involvement in the act of sabotage. And despite the nationality of the suspect, German prosecutors said the arrest demonstrated continued support for Ukraine.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

We stand with Ukraine and we, we will continue to stand with Ukraine. What is important to me is that we are a country governed by the rule of law and that we thoroughly investigate crimes committed within.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh? I'm sorry, I just laugh when they always throw in the rule of law.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, but it's Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cross it in there.

[Adam Curry]

It's Ukrainians they arrested. There's another Ukrainian they're going to arrest. But we stand behind Ukraine because they don't, you know, I'm sure they would.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just because they're good guys.

[Adam Curry]

Rogue elements for Ukraine.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

We stand with Ukraine and we will continue to stand with Ukraine. What is important to me me is that we are a country governed by the rule of law and that we thoroughly investigate crimes committed within our jurisdiction.

[Adam Curry]

German prosecutors have issued an arrest warrant for another Ukrainian man last seen in Poland. The suspect in custody is expected to.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Be transferred to Germany to face criminal.

[Adam Curry]

Charges and possibly a trial, by the way, for this whole conflict. I think the obvious solution, if you want to reduce the deaths and the killing and you just send in the D.C. police, they can bring it down by 30%. Those guys are awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Overnight.

[Adam Curry]

And the Chicago police, they'll take care of it. Yeah. So that's what's going on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So that's going nowhere.

[Adam Curry]

No. Did we really expect it to go anywhere? They don't want to stop. They don't want.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And then we also have the Chinese that would like to see it continue. I don't know why they'd want to. More I think about that theory which was on the last show, the guy going on about really about China is that I don't know if the Chinese really want us, the US to be ramping up our military systems to the point where we can get to overproduction because somebody else is paying for it. We're not giving it away anymore and making it profitable. I don't know if that's such a good idea for them.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. Well, in general, war is always good for somebody, just usually not the people.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, yeah, of course not. Because they always get killed.

[Adam Curry]

It's the downside of war is people get killed a lot. Did I have anything else on that? Yeah, it was interesting. There was a lot of reporting in foreign publications, but it went nowhere. Here year Russian strike hits US owned factory. Did you even hear about this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't even hear about this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so that's the headline, but when you dive into it, it's a Singaporean American multinational that makes toasters and other stuff. And they have a factory in Ukraine. Cheap labor obviously. And something hit one of their factories. No one was killed. I don't think anyone was even hurt. But they really, the European press really tried to ramp that up, but for some reason didn't go anywhere. Zelensky even talked about last night Russian armor set one of its insane anti records. They targeted civilian infrastructure facilities. American owned enterprise Zaka Parita. Yeah. Supported by American investment. Okay, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

They make toasters.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's what they make, I looked into it. They make toasters. No one cares about that. Toasters.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a, this is an interesting clip. This is about, we can switch topics, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I have nothing on the Ukraine thing. I do have some Gaza stuff that might be worth talking about. Okay, there Gaza one pbs this, it's.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Been another deadly day in Gaza. Officials there say at least 33. 33, 33 people have been killed by Israeli strikes and shootings.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. Ignore the hundreds of thousands in Russia and Ukraine. Ignore that. 33. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well I thought that once I heard the 33 I said okay. So this report is somewhat, this has to be bogus as a signal. Typically.33. What? It's okay. We, our thesis is that there's something up every time this comes up.

[Adam Curry]

The signal has gone out. Yes, the signal, Signal has gone out, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I, I, I took the rest of the report kind of with like okay what, what are they trying, what are they getting at here? Here we go.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Among them were Palestinians who were sheltering in tents and who were seeking scarce food. It comes a day after a UN backed group that monitors food crises declared that a half million Palestinians living in the Gaza City area are in the grips of a potentially life threatening man made famine. What's more, the group, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification or ipc, projects that by the end of September famine will spread to much of the rest of Gaza. Earlier I spoke with Chris McIntosh, Oxfam's humanitarian response advisor in Gaza. Gaza. He's in Gaza City right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Gaza, what we're seeing is exactly what we were predicting for months, ever since the imposition of the blockade at the beginning of March.

[Adam Curry]

And in that time very few trucks have gotten in very limited amounts of food.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what we're seeing is people that.

[Adam Curry]

Are gaunt, people that are drawn in the face and they're bony. Without trying to downplay the devastation in Gaza, this is bullcrap. This is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. Oxfam with the un, where's the White helmets who are gonna stage something that's coming? Oh, it has to be coming. They've already been trying it, they've been trying with all kinds of photos and oh look at this child starving to death.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we have here in this pbs, this is from yesterday actually. And they have the OXFAM guy and there's nobody that's going to be on the other side of the discussion by the way, as usual. PBS and npr of course not one sided discussion with with a point of view that's expressed. And no matter what you do, it's expressed and expressed and expressed. And this kind of contradicts the photos we've seen of the trucks that are backed up that the UN won't let in. The UN's got something to do with the famine, but they're not going to talk about the, that this whole thing, I, that's why the 33 was a trigger for me, because I can't believe anything anybody's telling us about Gaza or anything, or anything really, or, well, anything in general. But this in particular is very sketchy in every way. And so now we have the third clip, which is this goes on. This guy's on, by the way, for 20 minutes.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Prime Minister.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, wait, wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he's on for 20 minutes, yakking away about one thing or another. So they finally throw in a little counter argument to see what happens. They don't bring anybody else on to debate him or say anything about it. And so this is the way it ends up.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Prime Minister Netanyahu called the report an outright lie. US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said tons of food has gone into Gaza, but Hamas savages stole it, ate lots of it to become corpulent, sold it on the black market. What do you say to that?

[Adam Curry]

I say that couldn't be further from the truth, John. And just to use basic metrics to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get the point across here, prior to.

[Adam Curry]

The blockade being imposed at the beginning of March, there were approximately 600 trucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being brought into Gaza every day.

[Adam Curry]

And now we're looking at one sixth of that. Okay, is that what he's looking at? Or did he count or 10 trucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

A day is what he says. So this is this kind of what bothers me about this. This is bad reporting. You can't bring an Oxfam guy in to just say what, whatever propaganda he wants to, to say, well, he wants money. It's.

[Adam Curry]

It's fundraising without.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a fundraiser. But why does PBS do this? Why don't they have some. Give it. Give the public what they, you know, suppose supposedly they're supposed to do, which is a balanced report, and put somebody on that says the opposite.

[Adam Curry]

It. Because they know that they'll get lots of coverage on that podcast, which is the only coverage they get is when you bring up their clips. Let's check out the un because they have their own agenda and they're pushing it very hard.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The international pressure on Israel is growing. There's widespread condemnation at the government's decision to expand Israeli settlements in the West Bank. 21 countries around the world, including France, the UK, Canada and Australia, signed a joint declaration saying it was unacceptable. The European Commission's foreign affairs chief also added her signature to the list. This brings no benefits to the Israeli people. Instead, it risks undermining security and fuels further violence and instability, taking us further away from peace. The plan seeks to build over 3,000 homes for Israeli settlers. All such settlements built in the west bank occupied since nineteen nineteen sixty seven, are considered illegal under international law, and this is no exception. Calls to scrap the plans were echoed by the UN Secretary General.

[John C. Dvorak]

The decision by the Israeli authorities to.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Expand illegal settlement construction, which would divide.

[John C. Dvorak]

The west bank, must be reversed.

[Adam Curry]

All settlement construction is a violation of international law.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The project, known as E1, would effectively block the establishment of a Palestinian state. It would cut the north of the west bank off from the south south, preventing the development in the center connecting Ramala, East Jerusalem and Bethlehem. This is the goal of the ultra nationalist Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich. He's the driving force of this project and is urging the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to formally annex the West Bank.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's going to be nasty there. It's going to be nasty for a while longer. And then you've got all these countries saying, oh, we have to have a Palestinian state. We recognize it. We recognize it. It. Where were they in 1967?

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say that the Israelis. I think there's a propaganda war between the left and the queers for Palestine, which is part of the left.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the Israelis. And the Israelis are losing the propaganda war. They're doing a piss poor job of promoting their position.

[Adam Curry]

Agreed.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's. And I see no resolution to this. I mean, everybody's taking the side of the. The Hamas side, basically.

[Adam Curry]

But what I don't understand is they run the media. How come they can't do a better job?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's your. It just proves that they don't run the media.

[Adam Curry]

They should be doing a much better job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they do a better job. They don't run the media. That's a joke. They have some out, they have some influence. Maybe I don't even know if they have that. They don't run Hollywood anymore. Really? Not like in the good old days in the 30s.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you had all these characters that were all Jewish. They gave that up. No, it's a mess. And then the Israelis have nobody to blame but themselves. They could have done a lot. They could have taken this a lot of different ways and they could have propagandized it better. And like some people say, why don't they release those. The footage of the, of the brutality of that October 8th, was it October 8th? 7th.

[Adam Curry]

7Th.

[John C. Dvorak]

7Th. Invasion.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they have, but it, it won't get shown anywhere. And remember the, the Toronto International Film Festival, they blocked the documentary saying that they could not show this documentary at the international, at the Toronto Film Festival unless the makers of the documentary got permission from the Palestinians to use their likeness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another, Another victory for the Palestinians.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I thought that was a funny one. That's interesting way to do it. A little bit of climate change. At first I thought wow, this is interesting. This is good news. There's Egypt has found a sunken city city that's been been covered for 2,000 years. But then they have to take it into a negative direction for me.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

A statue is hoisted from the Mediterranean as Egyptian archaeologists and divers work together to recover relics from the seabed in Alexandria.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unfortunately we have incomplete pieces.

[Adam Curry]

The head is missing or the leg. And we also find found a statue of a sphinx and another statue that appears to be in royal dress.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Archaeologists say the relics were found at the site of a sunken city in the waters off Abu Qir Bay which may have been an extension of the ancient city of Canopus, a prominent center during the Ptolemaic dynasty and the Roman Empire. Their contract with UNESCO means they're only extracting some of the artifacts from the ruins. The rest will remain in the depths of the.

[Adam Curry]

This find confirms that this place was a complete residential city. The part we are in was a port. These artifacts confirm the study that says that Alexandria was submerged by water as a result of a major earthquake or tsunami. This is why all the statues are missing the head and feet which are the weakest parts of the statue.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Alexandria is home to countless historic treasures. But Egypt's second city is at risk of succumbing to the same waters that claimed Kenobi Opus. The city is especially vulnerable to climate change. Climate change, Climate change and rising sea levels. Sinking by more than 3 millimeters every year.

[Adam Curry]

There it is. Climate change. Climate change. Yeah, we turned something good into something very negative. Let's take something negative and make it even worse. How about flesh eating bacteria?

[John C. Dvorak]

On the medical watch today, flesh eating.

[Adam Curry]

Bacteria is spreading to more beaches. The Vibrio vulnificus bacteria is usually found in beaches along the Gulf coast. But the eastern seaboard is now seeing an uptick in cases. Experts think climate change is helping the germs spread north. Eating undercooked shellfish is one way to get infected. Another is through cots, including. Yes, climate change or eating uncooked shellfish. Okay. Is one way to get infected. Another is through cots, including from ear piercings and tattoos. Multiple surgeries, sometimes even amputation. Oh, no. Necessary to treat an infection. They had to do 10 surgeries on my leg and then I had to learn to walk again. Cooking your seafood thoroughly, avoiding eating undercooked or raw shellfish and avoiding the waters that contain this organism are really paramount to preventing infections. Most infections are typically reported from May to October. A push to place warning signs at beaches with the most risk was thwarted by businesses who feared they'd lose money if tourists were scared away. This report was very confusing to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll tell you one thing I'm confused about immediately is it's a flesh eating bacteria that you get into an open sore and it just goes nuts. What's that got to do with eating raw?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's my point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you gonna get it in your stomach or. I mean, what does. That doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the two, the two people they had on it was pretty horrific. The guy's leg looked like a. Just a disaster. They're talking about don't eat uncooked shellfish. But the whole report was all the beach and the bad people who don't want to talk about it on the beach. And have you heard about the radioactive shrimp?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have heard about the radioactive shrimp. And they're selling it at Walmart?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they are. Or they were apparently irradiated with cesium 137. The FDA issuing a warning about more possible radioactive shrimp. The shrimp was sold under several brand names in nine states by a company called Southwind Foods.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only Midwest state affected is Minnesota. Those shrimp were all sold between July.

[Adam Curry]

17 and August 8. Customers should throw out the shrimp or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Return to the store for a refund.

[Adam Curry]

So far, no one's gotten sick, but it comes just days after Walmart's great value brand frozen shrimp was recalled for that same reason. So not nowhere, not a single report because they come out of, I think, Indonesia. How did the shrimp get radiation? It's like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, surely they asked the question.

[Adam Curry]

No, no. Where? Abc, George Stephanopoulos. Oh, don't eat the shrimp. It was cesium 137. What is, where does cesium 137 come from?

[John C. Dvorak]

From? Oh, it's a, it's obviously a byproduct of something. It's not, there's not like caches of it. That I know of. Let's take a look.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, ask your buddy there. Ah, very good point. I will ask my buddy right now. Where does Caesium 137 come from?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Easy 137 comes from Psalm 137.

[Adam Curry]

Not Easy 130.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did she say?

[Adam Curry]

She said Easy 137. No, no, no. Song Cesium 137. It's radiation. Where does that come from?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Cesium 137 is mostly a byproduct of nuclear fission, so you'd find it coming from nuclear reactors. When uranium or plutonium splits. It's also released during nuclear weapons testing or accidents like Chernobyl or Fukushima. Naturally, it's super rare, basically non existent in the environment without human activity. It's a radioactive isotope, emits beta and gamma radiation and has a half life of about 30 years. That's why it's a big deal in waste management and contamination.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's from some reactor someplace that's leaking in Indonesia.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where it come? Thailand. There's no. I don't think they use nuclear power there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but that's what bothers me about the report.

[John C. Dvorak]

This could be out of the Fukushima area.

[Adam Curry]

It could also just be a competitor launching something into the atmosphere. We don't know. We just don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, shrimp. I know. That's why if you looked at the tip of the day, you'd find that little Geiger counter. I would take that to the store.

[Adam Curry]

And check my shrimp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Check the shrimp before you buy it.

[Adam Curry]

Scan your scran your. Scan your shrimp people.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I like the way they say what hasn't caused anyone to get ill. That's not what a would. You know, if you ingest a radioactive substance like that, it gives you. It kills you over time. It's nothing that you get ill about.

[Adam Curry]

It makes you glow in the dark, but you'll be okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, glowing in the dark's a giveaway.

[Adam Curry]

We do now. We do know. We do know. This is. This is good news. We now know for sure that President Trump did nothing bad with Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

We have proof because Ghislaine said so.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Buried inside more than 300 pages from interviews conducted last month, Ghislaine Maxwell, the imprisoned former girlfriend of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, clears US President Donald Trump of any involvement. I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the President in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I was with Him. He was a gentleman in all respects. The interview, conducted by Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, was released Friday in the, quote, interest of transparency. The materials show Maxwell, Epstein's longtime associate repeatedly showering Trump with praise, denying that she had observed him engaged in any form of sexual behavior.

[Adam Curry]

Do you ever observe President Trump receive a massage?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Never. The timing of the release raises questions. The administration had been scrambling to present itself as transparent amid a fierce backlash over an early refusal to disclose records from the sex trafficking case.

[Adam Curry]

The way this administration has responded makes.

[John C. Dvorak]

It feel like a cover up.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

The case has drawn intense public scrutiny because of Epstein's ties to high profile figures, including Prince Andrew and former U.S. president Bill Clinton. In the transcripts, Maxwell denied seeing Clinton act inappropriately, and she also spoke glowingly of Prince Andrew. After the interview, Maxwell was moved to a minimum security prison camp in Texas. There she continues to serve a 20 year sentence. Convicted four years ago on allegations that she lured teen girls to be sexually abused by Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

No, didn't see anything. Not with Clinton, not with Prince Andrew, not with President Trump. There's nothing. It's all good. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, that brought up nothing but speculators and saying, yeah, she's just trying to get pardon or a clemency or some damn thing. Well, she's a liar, but it would.

[Adam Curry]

Have been better if she said, I saw some stuff with Bill Clinton or, well, you know, Prince Andrew. But she didn't. So that's what, that's what makes it interesting and somewhat laughable to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, she could let everyone off the hook.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Prince Andrew, we know that he was up to no good. Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, well, maybe she didn't notice. Well, I mean, there's also the women who were the ones that pointed the finger at her. So she was the real bad actor in this whole thing. She was the one that recruited all the girls and did all. Yeah, so I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we don't know. That's. That's it. Nobody knows nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody knows nothing.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly right. But we could do a 10. A 10 hour podcast about it like everybody else's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I think that you have that clip. I have one clip that's even shorter and probably useless by comparison. So we'll skip it. That's how. That's how we're going to do it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, come on. It's pbs. We might as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, play it.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

President Trump supporters say he's been cleared up. Any suspicion by the transcript and recording of Ghislaine Maxwell's Innovation.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump supporters. Is there a rally somewhere that I missed? Like, Trump is innocent. Hey, hey, ho, ho. Trump is innocent. Let Maxwell go.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

President Trump supporters say he's been cleared up. Any suspicion by the transcript and recording of Ghislaine Maxwell's interview with the Deputy Attorney General. The woman, who was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend, characterized the President, a one time friend of Epstein's, as a gentleman and said she never saw him engage in any kind of sexual misconduct.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

President Trump was always very cordial and very kind to me and I just want to say that I find I admire his extraordinary achievement in becoming the President now. And I like him and I've always liked him.

[Adam Curry]

He rocks.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

That is the sum and substance of my entire relationship with him.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Shortly after the interview, Maxwell, who's serving a 20 year prison sentence for sex trafficking, was transferred to a minimum security prison camp. She's seeking a presidential pardon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, all right, you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Just as nonsense as mine. It's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're not going to. This is going to be the end. Well, they're going to release a bunch of documents now or something.

[Adam Curry]

They released 30,000 documents and the Democrats are saying, hey, we've already seen these documents. They've probably got binders that said Epstein files. White binder. Yeah, no, we're not going to know anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that white binder was the worst.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's a somewhat of a discussion they're trying to make a headway with and pbs of course, is pushing back on it because they are big supporters of the idea of mail in ballots. And so there was a. I got a three part clip here because Trump is turned against mail in ballots for obvious reasons, because this has to do with 2020 and his false claims. And, and so this is going to be interesting because, because this actually does reveal the fact that Trump really can't do too much without Congress's help here.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

With control of Congress at stake in next year's midterm elections, President Trump is doubling down on efforts to end mail in voting. In the 2024 election, nearly 30% of Americans who cast their ballots did it by mail, despite a multimillion dollar Republican drive to encourage supporters to vote by mail. Last year. Year, the President says it's a fraud.

[John C. Dvorak]

We as a Republican Party are going to do everything possible that we get rid of mail in ballots. We're going to start with an executive order that's being written right now by the best lawyers in the country to end mail in ballots because they're corrupt.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

He also said that the United States is just about the only country in the world that uses them. Rick Hassan is a professor of law and political science at ucla. He's also the author of A Real Right to How a Constitutional Amendment Can Safeguard American Democracy. Rick, I want to begin by parsing some of what we just heard from the President. He says that just about the only country in the world that uses them is the United States. Is that true?

[Legal Expert/Professor]

No, it's not true. It's used around the world and lots of other democracies, including in Canada and the United Kingdom and Germany.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Says he's going to issue an executive order to end mail in ballots. Is that within his powers?

[Adam Curry]

So, no.

[Legal Expert/Professor]

First of all, an executive order is an order to the executive branch as to how to carry out the law. Laws. It's not a royal edict. You can't just decree that. We don't have mail in balloting anymore. The Constitution says that each state gets to set its own rules for running elections. And in Article 1, Section 4, it lets Congress override those rules. As to congressional elections, Congress also sometimes acts under its powers, for example, to enforce the 15th Amendment to bar race discrimination voting. The President's job is to take care of that. The laws passed by Congress are faithfully executed. So he's got a lot of powers in terms of how the federal government might interact with states, but it's primarily states that are running elections and he has no direct authority over how elections are going to be conducted.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was a poor reading of Article 1, Section 4. But as far as I'm concerned, the states have the authority to regulate times, places and manner of elections. I don't see how even Congress can do anything. Anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he goes on and explains how they can.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Well, that counters what he said on Truth Social. He said the states are merely an agent for the federal government in counting and tabulating the votes. They must do what the federal government as represented by the President of the United States tells them.

[Legal Expert/Professor]

That's just a fiction. That's not how things work. The Constitution does say that Congress can override. So if Congress passed a law tomorrow that either outlawed or mandated mail in balloting, that law would probably be upheld as applied to congressional elections. Couldn't be applied to state or local elections because the power only extends to congressional elections. But the President doesn't have the power. States are more than agents.

[John C. Dvorak]

States.

[Legal Expert/Professor]

And this goes back to the founding states were the primary actors that administered elections. There wasn't agreement to have national election administration. Administration the way it is in most other countries today. And that diversity of how elections are run, it makes for some confusion sometimes, but it can be a strength against an executive that's trying to impose its will, as we see the president trying to do here.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

He says he's doing this because he wants to make sure there's no fraud. We've had a long experience with mail in balance in Oregon for about 25 years. It's the only way you can vote. What's the record is there of fraud and corruption in these things?

[Legal Expert/Professor]

Well, you're right that there are some states, including Oregon, Washington, Utah and lots of other where mail in balloting is the primary way that voting is conducted. There are lots of states like California where I am where many people vote by mail. And there are some states where mail in balloting is not all that common. It did increase during COVID because people didn't want to go to polling places. What we do know is that the president in 2020, in the midst of the COVID pandemic, when he was running against Joe Biden, railed against mail in balloting, said that it was fraudulent. There were tons of investigations. There were 60 plus lawsuits challenging the election on fraud grounds. And there was no evidence of any fraud related to mail in ballots that could have affected the election anywhere in the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have to notice the way he.

[Adam Curry]

He put no evidence, no evidence, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Evidence of any fraud that could have affected the election.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that's the standard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which means there was fraud.

[Adam Curry]

I have to rescind my previous comment. The full text of Article 1, Section 4. The Times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof. But big but the congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations except as to the places of choosing senators. Senators and choosing is spelled C H U S I N G. Choosing, choosing. So I guess Congress can change that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and if that's true, why don't they do it?

[Adam Curry]

Because it behooves no one. We can't do our shenanigans. If we choose, we can't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because there's exactly shenanigans. Washington state has been captured and this. There's studies that were done in the 60s and 70s about mail in ballots which were discussed a bit back in 2020, but then they were. Nobody wants to talk about it anymore. And these were done by Democrats showing that mail in ballots was very easily corrupt. A corruptible system that you do the ballot harvesting and you just, you know, people just get it. You can get the blank ballots. You can put anyone's name on them. No one does any checking to any extreme. No, the whole thing is. It is a scam.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that's why they don't want in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oregon, Washington, two of the most, most Democrat run states completely captured by the party.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me, allow me to ask you this question. Why in three clips, because we have a third of pbs, did no one do what we just did? Read the actual piece of the Constitution where, I mean, even I can understand this language. Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations. Well, I mean, not, not by executive order for sure, but why don't they just read that and tell us why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Just because they don't want. They want to. They have a perspective that they. Well, why don't they have a guy on, for example, along with this character who has maybe a different opinion about this?

[Adam Curry]

Then what good would this be for the show? It would be useless. They have, they'd have something that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can stop with that bit.

[Adam Curry]

Well, who's, who's propagating the bit. Bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can stop playing the last clip.

[Adam Curry]

You can stop with that bit anytime you want.

[Legal Expert/Professor]

There are sometimes not happening all locales where there is election fraud. And it sometimes does occur with mail in ballots, but not on the kind of scale that the President's talking about. And in his social media post, he talked about getting rid of voting machines as well. And it's not clear what machines he's talking about. I don't know what he has in mind, not only about what powers he thinks he has, but what exactly he thinks he wants to do. Since Republicans in states like Arizona and Florida rely very heavily on mail in balloting to get out the votes of their own supporters.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

This morning, the Texas legislature sent Governor Abbott there that the newly drawn maps they're trying to pick up Republican seats in the House. Do mail in ballots favor one party over another?

[Legal Expert/Professor]

Well, historically, Republicans were much more likely than Democrats to use mail in ballots, in part because people who are older, richer, wider tend to move less. And those are people who tend to use mail in balloting more. In more recent years, Democrats have achieved parity and in some places exceeded Republican use of vote by mail, in part because Democrats realized that if they pushed early voting, they could kind of bank their votes and then they don't have to worry about as many people on election Day. I would say that if the President had not been putting out all of these negative tweets and other statements about mail in Balloting, deriding it. You'd see both Democrats and Republicans using it more and more. We do know that in 2024, an election that Donald Trump won, Republican voters expressed much more confidence in the election process and much more support for vote by mail. In 2024, the president was not really so against vote by mail, but now he's back on this and so we'll see where it goes.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember that. That.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I do.

[Adam Curry]

You do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he made a big fuss about.

[Adam Curry]

It about mail that he saw mail in. Ballots were good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he said you got to do your. He didn't say they were good per se, but he said we should all be doing mail in voting. Make sure the Republicans get their votes in before the election itself.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was early voting, not mail in, but early voting.

[John C. Dvorak]

He mail in was specifically mentioned. Mentioned.

[Adam Curry]

I'll take your word for it. But here, Trump on mail in voting from dad. That's 2020. That doesn't count.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's when he hated it.

[Adam Curry]

No. Yeah. I don't think we have any clips of it, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably not, because it was not interesting. Let's play the Texas thing. So we get the Texas new map on pbs. A little short.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

A redrawn Texas congressional map is on its way to Texas Governor Greg Abbott for his signature. The Texas State Senate approved the map early this morning in an 1811 party line vote. Republicans designed the map in hopes of winning five additional House seats in next year's midterm elections. Republicans have a slim majority in the House, where there are now 219 Republicans, 212 Democrats and four vacancies.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. Well, we did that. Everything, of course, about that is, that is kind of the boring thing is like you get a general election like, oh, I can breathe now. And then within six months, it's all about the midterms. And then from the midterms it'll be for the. That's all that news is. News is all about politics, voting and election. Politics and war. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Politics and war. Yeah, that's pretty much any more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Famine, disease, petulance, pestilence. That's another think is being left out. Although I think the flesh eating bacteria accounts for that.

[Adam Curry]

We have a deal with the European Union. Looks like we've. That happened on Thursday, Last show day. The European Union and the United States.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Are moving from trade intentions to implementation.

[Adam Curry]

On Thursday, the two partners published a joint statement setting out New customs duties. The text provides for a maximum.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, did you see this clip? Is he petting a cat?

[Adam Curry]

This is, this is Euro News. They have the worst guy reading the news. This is the only guy they have read. And Euro news generally used to be pretty good and now they have like some African guy reading their news. I don't know why it's been setting out new customs duties. The text provides for a maximum duty of 15% on a large proportion of.

[John C. Dvorak]

EU exports to states the United US Once again, the European Commission is defending this compromise, which has been the subject of much criticism.

[Adam Curry]

Let me say this clearly. The alternative, a trade war with sky high tariffs and political escalation helps no one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It hurts jobs.

[Adam Curry]

It hurts damages businesses across both the EU and the us. We have a good deal and this is not theoretical as nearly 5 million European jobs, including many in SMEs, would be at risk. This deal avoids that path. It's interesting how in the US the general comment about tariffs is it's only going to hurt us. We don't need tariffs. But the Europeans, like, you know, these tariffs could really hurt 5 million jobs. You never really know where the pain is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm trying to figure this. I have a clip that relates to that, what you just said.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is the, the. Something I mentioned on the show. I'm sorry, in the newsletter. This is the. It says confused. Well, it's kind of misspelled, but confused Tariff. Commentary on PBS Confused tariff and if.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

You'Re expecting a package overseas, it may be delayed because of confusion. President Trump's decision to stop exempting small value imports from tariff tariffs. European postal services like UK's Royal Mail and DHL are suspending shipments until they get more information and clarity about the rule. With the exemption gone, all imports will be subject to the tariff that's imposed on the country of origin. U.S. customs and Border Patrol says that last year more than a million packages with goods worth $65 billion were sent under the exemption.

[Adam Curry]

Before we discuss, I have the euro news version of this confusion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Several European countries be halting their postal services to the US after Donald Trump scrapped a tax exemption on low import goods worth less than $800 or €688. Last month, the White House said it is aiming to combat illegal and abusive practices, such as the importation of illegal drugs into the United States. Letters and small parcels under $100 or €85 will not be affected. The UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland will temporarily suspend services as of next week, while Belgium already stopped Shipping packages to the US On Friday, Trump's announcement comes after the US and the European Union agreed on a new trade deal ending months of uncertainty.

[Adam Curry]

So they kind of explained it, but all the headlines like, oh, they're stopping all services to America. No one really goes into the de minimis conversation, which I know, you know about.

[John C. Dvorak]

What, what part of it?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, that the de minimis exemption has been deleted. It's, it went away mainly from China.

[John C. Dvorak]

It didn't. It wasn't deleted, it was lowered.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, lowered to $100. From 800 to $100.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I'm getting nothing but 10 emails a day from Timu and Shein saying, come on, buy this. Because if you look at their stuff, it's all five, six, ten bucks.

[Adam Curry]

Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think most of the stuff that was brought in they just figure, okay, so I buy a $10 sweater from Temu or some whatever other piece of junk. By the way, stuff never fits, right? It says, it says one thing, it's made with another, it's junk, junk. But I buy a $10 piece of junk and then I buy another $10 piece of junk and then another. Then I buy up to $700 worth of, or let's say a thousand dollars worth of junk, 10 bucks at a time and 10, you know, to a hundred different parcels and it still comes.

[Adam Curry]

Through the, the joke of this is that if you send something prior to all of this, if you send something to the European Union, like, I don't know, a ring or in the case of Curry and the Keeper, a couple of glasses. We've had people wind up paying €50 import tax on something as small as that. That's the big joke. They know exactly what it is because they have those regulations themselves. I think it's good. What are you ordering? This is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody should be paying 50 bucks for two glasses.

[Adam Curry]

No, my point is it's good that we're doing this. Screw those guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I agree with that 65 billion thing is the thing that is baffling to me is that what you just described is the way it always worked here when some package came in, in with a custom sticker on it, you pay the duty yourself at the post office.

[Adam Curry]

Let's find out when. Let's find out what Democrat, Chinese, kiss ass president or Congress did this. When did the US de minimis tax of $800 go into effect? Okay, let's see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't you ask your, your executive this March.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is interesting. No, it was part of the trade facilitation and Trade enforcement act of 2015. Hello. Who was the president in 2015?

[John C. Dvorak]

Obama.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And.

[Adam Curry]

And so prior to the tfte, the de minimis.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder if he has shares in Temu.

[Adam Curry]

The de minimis threshold was $200. The increase to $800 allowed goods valued at or below this amount to enter the US Duty free. So that was his parting, you know. Parting. Well, I'm sure it wasn't just Obama, obviously. It was Congress. Well, there you go. So that was. That was great, man. I'm gonna, I'm gonna look into that. I'm gonna see who. Who sponsored that, who. Someone was on the take for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

For that, you think? Yeah, someone was on the take.

[Adam Curry]

What, Joe? Let's see. Let's see who the sponsor was. The sponsor was those that should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the law should be one Democrat and one Republican. And if Lindsey Graham's name shows up, I won't be surprised.

[Adam Curry]

Let me see who it was. It was sponsor Patrick Tabiri from Ohio. Republican. There you go. There you go. Republican doesn't make sure he got.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's living comfortably.

[Adam Curry]

Additional sponsors. Mr. Brady of Texas. Oh, it was a pure Republican bill. Look at these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, one of your Texans, too.

[Adam Curry]

Douchebags.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of them.

[Adam Curry]

All of them. All of them are douches. Also, we struck a deal with Camp Canada and this was big talker Carney, who buckled. What happened to elbows up? Huh? Elbows up. Oh, elbows down. Mr. Carney, your critics are going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say that this is an elbows down approach, that you're backing down to Trump. What are you gaining by dropping these tariffs? Let's be clear. We have the best deal of anyone in the world right now with the lowest tariff rate, on average a little over five and a half percent versus that 16% average for the world, and in many cases much higher. We have that confirmed the executive order of the president a few weeks ago. It's important that we preserve that we are matching something the Americans have done here first, and it's very significant, it's unique, we get the benefit. The second thing is, you know, and I'll take your analogy, and I have played some hockey over the years, and there is a time in a game, in a big game, and this is a big game, when you go hard in the corners, your elbows up. The time in a game, we drop the gloves in the first period and just send a message. And we've done that pretty uniquely in the world. But there's also a time in a game where you want the puck, you want a stick handle, you want to pass, you want to put the puck in the. That. And we're moving later into the game and we're at that time in the game.

[Adam Curry]

He did actually play ice hockey for Harvard, strangely enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's the worst sports analogy I've ever heard in my life.

[Adam Curry]

But he. Well, that's the Canadians, man. So anyway, but there's, I think there's all kinds of different things. Also for Europe with steel, there's still 50% tariffs on after certain quotes quota. So in general, I think President Trump is doing a good job for us. Now, my buddy who does small machine CDC parts, I think we talked about it, he says, you know, well, yeah, I'm sure we did. He says, you know, it's going to suck because it costs more for us. We have to use American steel for these parts and American aluminum, it's much more expensive. It'll take a few years before that price comes down. But, and I know you remember this, he said everything we ordered from China, 40% was defective.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, junk.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's just junk. So in general, I think, I think in the long term it'll be good. I'd rather be here than the uk, I'll tell you that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they are in trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Anything else you got on your list? Because I have a couple of. Just short clips or.

[Adam Curry]

I know what I think we should do is I'll play a lead in, in to your, your favorite segment. Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The White House appears to have a case of FOMO when it comes to TikTok and its 170 million users. That could explain why it's just launched an official account on the Chinese owned social media platform less than a month before President Trump is set to ban it. A 2024 data protection law required TikTok to stop operating in Chinese January unless its owner, ByteDance, sold off its US operations. Trump once called the spread of TikTok a national emergency and has said the app's data collection could give China access to Americans personal information. During his first term, he signed an executive order imposing sanctions on the app. But he went on to use TikTok extensively during last year's presidential campaign and has since extended the deadline for the sell off several times. It's currently set to come into force on September 17th.

[Adam Curry]

You know you're going to be in real trouble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. Reels is caught up and so is if, if they block half the tick tock clips aren't even TikTok anymore.

[Adam Curry]

What are you even going to do if. If, I mean, you'll. You'll lose your one America now gig again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like I said, half the clips aren't even TikTok anymore. And they're the same maniacs yak into a camera. And by the way, talking about yakking into a camera, what is this? You might know the answer to this because it's been bugging me. Okay, there's a. There's a lot of these video podcasters. They're holding a little square microphone with a dead cat on it. Yeah, a dead kitten. It's a little square thing and it's like a portable mic and it doesn't have wire wires. What? And they're holding. Waving it around in this microphone and I've seen it over and over again and I can't. I don't know what it is. Who, who makes it. And it sounds decent.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm glad you asked. This is from. The reason why is because they are giving them free. And it is from my favorite company who has never sent me anything even though I have spoken positively about their products.

[John C. Dvorak]

Road.

[Adam Curry]

Road. That's right. That's the road.

[John C. Dvorak]

They make this stupid looking thing, by the way. I think it's idiotic.

[Adam Curry]

It records on device even.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's an on device recorder. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's wireless and on device does both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's a little square. It looks dumb.

[Adam Curry]

I know. Especially when they clip it on somebody. It's like a big.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh God, that is horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Big, giant square.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big giant thing with a big. It's got the dead kitten on it too, which makes it worse.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know, I know, but it sounds good. It sounds good for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it does seem to sound good, but it's just like I've been seeing it over and over again. So I got, I got three clips, okay? They're all the same, you know, ranting women that have lost their minds over one thing or another. Let's start with the. With the bigoted hater girl.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

It's usually a swipe left too, because we all know what that usually means. Now, I think the fact. Don't want to date Trump voters. Men don't want to date Trump voters. Men who love Donald Trump struggle on the dating. Oh, 100%. If we see a man who says he's conservative, it is an automatic swipe left. It does not matter what he looks like. And me personally, at this point, if I see a man listed as moderate as well, it's usually a swipe left too, because we all know what that usually means. Now I think the fact that conservative men absolutely refuse to listen to women when we try to explain to them why we don't want to date conservative men, and then they choose to proceed to be conservative and then immediately complain that they're confused as to why women don't want to date them and they don't know why is an ironic perfect embodiment of like the lack of critical thinking and self awareness, you know, like the ability to step outside of your own experience and listen to others that the Conservative Party embodies as a whole, making a lot of women like me not want to date them. And a lot of this is trending in the news right now because the Conservative party is about to launch their new dating app called the Right Stuff, in which I'm willing to bet every penny that I've ever made that the user ship of this app is going to be about 90% men and 10% women with Lynn as the second part of their name. And I know the immediate complaint is always y' all are so close minded to anything, which embodies a lot of irony coming from the right alone, but that's not true. One of my best friends used to be moderate and our friendship ended for different reasons, kind of. But a lot of his close friends were conservative men. So anytime.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's how it ends.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, just kind of gets cut off. So this is a woman through bitches about self awareness and she's obviously not self aware. She chatterbox. Yak yak, yak. Wonders what you know. I like the fact that most of these women self identify. They got the nose ring or they got some other, some other adornment.

[Adam Curry]

If I recall, she was no looker because I think I've seen this clip. She was mad like a seven, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I didn't rate her in one way or the other, but she should.

[Adam Curry]

When you bring these clips, you need to give me a number.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll give her a six.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, you're a six on the Dvorak scale.

[John C. Dvorak]

So then we get the leftists. I got two clips here, leftists that are on to promote their perspective on things. And this is a. This group is going to be left leftist. They're going to be left in the lurch.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now, I presume these are Gen Z women. Sounds like.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, these are mostly really. No, no, no, not. Well, maybe. It's hard to say. I think they're borderline on millennial.

[Adam Curry]

But.

[John C. Dvorak]

They could be the Gen Zs before they start to fall into the conservative camp.

[Adam Curry]

That's what's happening. They're looking at their own generation stragglers. These are the ones that haven't gotten the memo yet. This is not where you want to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're definitely stragglers and they, you know, I guess it's one way of looking at it. Okay, here we go. 1.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Getting crushed by capitalism is like so cringe, but it's like it's happening to me. And like I got a PhD from Berkeley and.

[Adam Curry]

We already understand the problem. A PhD from Berkeley?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

I can't get a job to save my life. Like, I got a soil biology PhD.

[Adam Curry]

And what kind of, what kind of PhD?

[John C. Dvorak]

Soil biology.

[Adam Curry]

Soil biology. Is there a. Is there a big market for soil biologists?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, according to her, no.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, maybe in the corn belt.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Like I said, got a soil biology PhD and like now I'm a tutor and a babysitter and a dog sitter. And like, part of that is because, like, I don't want to like move to some random place in the middle of nowhere. Like, the other half is like, they cut all the funding for science and the biotech market is just like absolutely cratered. And like I have long Covid, so, oh, it's difficult for me to work like a full time job and just like I got on here to rant a little bit, but like, oh my God, like, what do we do? I just have to work.

[Adam Curry]

I just got to work. Yes. She doesn't want to move to where the jobs are though. That's the problem. She doesn't want to move to where soil biologists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it turns out she got a bunch of grief for this report and she came out with a second posting.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, but there's a. There's a series, a follow up. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she comes out and admits what really is going on with her and it brings up the ironies of today's modern age, especially in the ironies in the Democrat party. If you listen to this, this is her comeback.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

I know not many right wingers get this, but as a leftist, I really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don'T want a job.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Like, I know that people make fun of leftists for not wanting a job, but like, I really one of them. I just.

[Adam Curry]

Come on. This is not real. This is not a sincere person who says this. It's not. This is not possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

I believe it to be woman that just went on their other rant. It could be a fake, but I'm liking it.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Can't stand the idea of having to work. And I don't Understand why right wingers want to work either.

[Adam Curry]

Like they, you know, does she on social media, does she like a lot of posts? Because it sure sounds like it.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Like, like, like, like understand why right wingers want to work either. Like they are like slaves to their masters, low key. And they love it and they eat it up. But when someone like me says, like, I don't want to work in the middle of nowhere, everybody's mad at me. And it's. It's pretty obvious that you're a little bit, like, cucked, if you know what I mean.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

By your circumstances. And maybe I am too, but I'm into that, so.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think whether there's truth to this or not, there is an element of I don't want to really work. I should just be given a free ride. I got, I went. I already worked. I got my PhD in soil science. And, and what comes to mind is the Democrat party who likes these people. The Democrat party used to be the party of the working class. And now all of a sudden you're a right winger. If you like to work.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, these parties flip all the time throughout history. Remember it was the Democrats who were racist, and then somehow it was the Republicans who were racist. Racist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, somehow they're accused of being racist, but the Democrats are still racist.

[Adam Curry]

This is correct. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, that's my contribution to the good of society.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. That's a very sad state of affairs. I hope you had a nice strong cup of tea after watching that. You must protect your own mind from the. The. The virus that these people propagate on social media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, like.

[Adam Curry]

And with that, I want, like. I like, I like. I want to thank you very much for your courage. The man who put the C in the CNC parts from China. Say hello to my friend on the other end, will you Mr. John Cub.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stratum Korean morning ship Seabus and graphite in the air substitutes the water and all the dames and knights out there. Trolls.

[Adam Curry]

Trolls. Good morning to the trolls. Let me count you. There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think people heard the message that the stream issues have been resolved. 21, 25. We're getting closer to our old numbers. This is good news. And we still are in the dog days of summer school. Is school back in session? Is school back. Are people back at school?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they just went back to school. Yeah, like last week when I was a kid, we went after Labor Day or whatever the holiday is in September. We let. He was in September and we didn't get and we quit, I think for before the 15th of June, all the way to this second week of September. We were. It was summertime. And their teachers were always. Oh, those teachers. They get a hold look at all the time they get off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Teach. How come the teachers aren't up in arms about this? They should be. They should be very mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea. Maybe they figured they get a month more. Another month of checks out. I have. No, no. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, anyway, it's good to have you trolls here. Trollroom, IO, Noagenda, Stream, and of course, the modern podcast apps where you can always, always be notified when we go live. This is the hot new thing in podcasting. It's been around for a couple of years, but it's starting to become very hot. You just wait. It's gonna be hot. Yep, it's very, very hot. Podcast apps.com podverse still the number one alternative app for this show. Show versus it's Apple number one. Podverse number two. Podcast guru number three. Zero. Spotify. Of course we're not on Spotify and people seem to not have a problem with that. Like, okay, it's not on Spotify. I'll just use a different app. Spotify are no good. We don't want to be a part of that cabal. They are evil. But we are somehow on the iHeart app. Did you submit? Yeah. Did you submit us to the iHeartra.

[John C. Dvorak]

App or we in Podbean? That's what I like.

[Adam Curry]

I'll have to take a look, see if we're on Podbean. That is kind of a necessity. You have to be on Podbean to be an official podcast. Value for value is our. Is the way we've been operating on this program. It'll be 18 years in October and episode 1800 coming up in seven short episodes. So that's. Do you have a date yet? Do you know the date of our 1800th episode?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I just look at the calendar. You can figure it out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's why I asked you. I've not.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't done that yet. I. When I get to show 1798.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Then we'll start thinking it should be next week plus one show. Got it. Value for value means that you can. You don't have to listen to ads. Oh, man. But I was listening to radio the other day. I don't understand. I don't understand how ads, especially if you want to listen to like me. I like country music and I like listen to.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't Listen to hello there, buddy.

[Adam Curry]

It's not quite what country music is anymore. In fact, country music is not like Merle Haggard anymore, but it's unlistenable. I mean, no wonder people just listen to a playlist. Why would you listen to music radio? Just in general. It's just stop for ads. 20 minutes an hour. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know what's really annoying about these ads on these radio stations? Well, they. They all use. I. They pretty much all use the same generalized clothes clock.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. They all the ads all hit at the same time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it comes to an ad segment, you change channels. Ad, ad, ad. No matter. Another channel. Channel, channel, channel. Ads, ads, ads. Ads. You can. There's no moment of relaxation. It's all ads.

[Adam Curry]

When I was working at the legendary WHTZ Z100 in New York under the guidance of Michael Scott, she Shannon, who invented the Z Morning zoo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he invented the zoo.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Well, he's credited. I believe he did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've always wondered who did that. Yeah, it was in New York. The first zoo was in New York.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I think he started it in Jacksonville, Florida. I think that's where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I heard it was started in Florida.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it was in.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's still some zoo shows in Florida. If you go down there in the morning driving around the big ape, everybody.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Good morning.

[Adam Curry]

My daddy was beetle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they always, always the same. You got at least two guys yakking at each other. And then there's a girl who's part of it and she makes snide comments. And then there's a sports guy and then there's a gay guy who does entertainment news.

[Adam Curry]

Correct. And there's always a wacky guy who calls up. Here's Mr. Leonard in his lime green pinto. Scott, I'm here. Lime green mendo.

[John C. Dvorak]

So and so will be one guy who calls in and he can usually do voices. And he calls in as Clint Daniel or he calls in his Trump or he calls.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that guy calls 10 radio stations every morning and he has deals with every single one of them. Anyway, what Scott Shannon had because of that clock format and it really went to 46 past the hour. That was. That was the big thing. Go 46 past the hour. Then you'd have about five, six minutes of ads. And then you wanted to come out of that block with the biggest monster hit you could could play. This is before Internet, children. Well, the Internet was around, but there was no streaming. And he had four light bulbs in the studio. Old school light bulbs. One was for PLJ 95.5. One was for WBLS. I forget who the two others were. Maybe I don't remember. So you would see the light bulbs come on when the other stations went into commercial. Commercials. And the trick was you wanted to be out of commercials into the monster hit before those other light bulbs went off. That's how competitive it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. You've never told that story before.

[Adam Curry]

No, I haven't. Well, the more, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting trick.

[Adam Curry]

The more you know. Oh, the other trick was the. The radio ratings were done. Now they're. And I think they're all done by Nielsen now. But back in the day they were done by a company called Arbitrary Arbitron.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, Arbitran.

[Adam Curry]

In Arbitron, they mainly did diaries. So you. They would have, you know, I don't know, the hundred or a thousand families and you would keep a diary of what you listen to throughout the day. So whenever the Arbitron diaries went out, Scott Shannon would do a promotion with these cheap wristwatches called Armatron. And so it would be like be Gala 100. You'll win an Armitron watch. The idea was people were thinking, Arbitron, Armatron, Arbitron. And so they would remember Z100. They would associate it with Arbitron whenever they had to fill out the diary. It's a scam, I tell you. Wow. It's all scams.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is admirable marketing.

[Adam Curry]

Scott Shannon, man, the guy's a genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's why he was. He made good money too.

[Adam Curry]

Now, unlike Scott Shannon, we just ask people to support us with your hard earned cash. We don't want to have to think about tricks like that. Can you imagine? Imagine downloads. Everybody subscribe using the Apple podcast app so it auto downloads and we can trick our advertisers into thinking that we had more people listening. That is true. So no, instead of that, we just asked you to send us whatever you think the show was worth to you. If you get something out of you, learn something. Maybe there was something that you heard and was a good investment tip or you stayed alive. I mean, that has also happened here. Or maybe you just wanted to sound like a little bit smarter than the rest of the NPC drones at work around the water cooler. Now you can do that with your time, your talent or your treasure. We love many different ways of time and talent, including the artwork that people used to make by hand slaving over it hours while listening to the show. Now it's just prompt jockeys, but okay, you still got to have a good idea. So we do appreciate that there's more than ever anybody can participate at no agenda artists generator dot com. And we want to thank digital 2112 man who brought us the artwork for episode 1792. The snappy title of Maloney in the middle, which I kind of did like. And this was a very happy, happy, happy piece of art. Back to school. No agenda. Back to school vaccination. A happy little school kid just smiling as the nurse jabs a needle into the kid's arm. It's a very, very happy moment. We thought it was not ghoulish enough to be vetoed, but yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you didn't like it at first.

[Adam Curry]

No, I still. It's not my favorite but you know, there wasn't much else. I mean what, what did I like? I liked. I like the plumber, but. But no, we're not going to do that. There's something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you like to get. You like corn saluting corn.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it's. Yes, corn scription did make sense. Although we talked about conscription. I said something else. It wasn't corn scription, I don't think. But I just thought that was a cute piece of art. You didn't like it? Comics. Your blogger came in with a corrected version of you're a body double. Yeah. Good luck, pal. After you failed the first time, we're not going to use. It was too late anyway. And there was some apprentice stuff. Ohlone, meloni, lots of thermasol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meh.

[Adam Curry]

I kind of like the trade school guy with the. With the toilet plunger. You didn't really like that, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

You like that one? That's the one I think you picked right off the bat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But why didn't you like was a mess.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it was an AI mess. And so just looking at what we had. Yeah. You know, I think looking at all the pros and cons, the back to school vaccination was just. Just cute and funny enough that it was worked then I. I didn't. No one threw bricks at me on the street. So did you get any comments?

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you.

[Adam Curry]

Do you look at the. At your ex timeline when we post the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes and did you see.

[Adam Curry]

Any comments about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well there you go. Reasonable. A reasonable job. Digital 2112 man is all over this thing now. He's just like. He's just going for broke. He's all. He's not even listening to the show. He's like, oh yeah, I'll type that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'll Prompt this one. I'll prompt this one. Thank you, digital 2112 man for the artwork for episode 1792. We also thank all of our Treasure supporters who support us. $50 and above. We will always mention your name or whatever alias you want to use. And as a special good deal, just like Hollywood, you'll see the credits on Hollywood movies and productions. Lots of people on the credit roll. But if you are an executive producer or associate executive producer, you get the big title up front. That's just how the world. You may not like capitalism, but this is it. $200 or above. Will you get the exclusive title of executive producer for this episode will be 1793 of the no Agenda show. And we'll read your note. $300 or above. You get the title of executive producer and we will read your note as well. Dana Brunetti sent me a very disturbing video. What was it he said? Did I complain about him donating? I think I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you're always complaining about him.

[Adam Curry]

So he sends me a video of you having dinner and wine at a very upscale restaurant. And it was him filming it. And then he said dvorak ate your part of the donation. So just so you know, when he takes you out to dinner, he considers that a donation to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. And he had a pair. Yeah, we went to his place and he was in town. So he went to a one star restaurant which was not close to being one star in quality, which irked me.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I know what a one star restaurant should be like. This was not one star restaurant by any. They're talking about Michelin stars. So he has a pair of those glasses that takes videos.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, how lame is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I. He took them. He didn't have them on for long. He put them on the dorkiest looking things. And the worst part about it is that they. There's a little light that lights up.

[Adam Curry]

It's like. Like I'm a dick. But is it ball? Does it pulse?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the light is flashing. Cody, Morse code. I'm a dick.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a dick.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a dick.

[Adam Curry]

I'm a dick. I'm recording you. I'm a dick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, wow, wow. So he had those glasses and I. I don't know even who's. I didn't even ask whose brand they were, but.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sure it's Facebook. It's Meta stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it? Yeah, probably.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Meta has. So that. That's what he's spending his money on. Well, anyway, I told him, I replied, said, no, you're just a cheapskate. You just don't want to donate real money. I can't remember what he replied, but he had no real reply after that. You know, turns out these Hollywood guys, once you just slap them down, they got no fights.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're Hollywood guys.

[Adam Curry]

Hollywood guys. Yes. And you too can be like a Hollywood person because these credits are as valid as any Hollywood credit. You can use it anywhere. Hollywood credits are accepted and recognized, including IMDb.com and our first executive producer goes to Steve Miller from Alito, Texas, who's been donated, donating frequently of late $1,000. And he says this combination of my Thursday donation and today should get us two knighthoods and general a secretary. Generalships. One each for my son Andrew Miller and myself. West Coast IPAs, Philly Cheesesteaks from Jim's and Basil haddock, dark rye, old fashions. Should be the perfect mix for our first round roundtable. Okay, I've ordered it. Andrew would like to be named Sir Q ITAs so. Sir Q U E. I TUs pronounce. Circuitous. Secretary Circuitous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Circuitous.

[Adam Curry]

Circuitous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you means roundabout.

[Adam Curry]

Circuitous. Secretary General of Parker County. And I'd like to be surrender. Not with a k. Secretary General of broken supply chains. This is a big one. We have a big ceremony now for our secretary general.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course. Hey, I. I do production on this show. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please. I didn't know you were ready to do that one already.

[Adam Curry]

Well, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm stunned. I'm taken aback.

[Adam Curry]

I have that and I. Oh, geez. What do you mean, oh, geez? I also. Come on, man. I got my. I got my Here, I got. And I have a music to go with that. Please also give Andrew some new house karma as he buys his first house. Escaping from Colorado to Texas. Good man. And explores the true meaning of house poor. That's right. And the little Al Sharpton, please, just for grins. Thank you for your courage. Says Steve Miller from Alito, Texas.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

R E S P I C T. You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have Sir Ichabod. Ichabod. Ichabod From Lake Forest Park, Washington. Or as they said, they're Washington 666.66. And he. This is a check that came in with a note. Crackpot Buzzkill. I have been remiss lately, so I'm playing catch up with my donations. Here's 333 for the last 200 shows. Wow, that's a good way of Doing it.

[Adam Curry]

That's very good. I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

200 shows, $3.33 a show. I can't believe I've given this kind of money to a product. I can't believe I have given this kind of money to a podcast. But you have been worth every penny over the last 11 years that I've been listening. It's fitting that the first episode I listened to was titled Slavery Enrolled.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. What? What episode was that?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's 11 years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Slavery.

[John C. Dvorak]

This donation takes me over to the barren level. Please update my title to Baron Ichabod of the Bike Path Gorbal, Protector of the Seleucid Empire. Seleucid. Adam, even though you don't like it, could you please use the Bob Dylan version of these titles are changing for the ceremony. I don't know that he doesn't like it.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't ever say. By the way, Slavery Enrollment was episode 666.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's the six. I get it. So hence the donation. Adam, the reason you don't understand many of John's references because you are not a boomer. This is not true. He is a boomer. I don't know why I refused to believe. As a kid, I was left into the Headbangers ball each week by a boomer posing as some cool hip vj. But then I'm Gen X, so meh, who cares? Lastly, I'm a huge fan of Ashland Speed. That no agenda sticker on her race car deserves actual sponsorship. Ashlyn, if you're listening, send Adam an email. If there's a way that gitmonation can help you out of your value for help you in value for value. I'd like to send you five that you can use for a plane ticket to the next race. Maybe buy an extra tire or an extra tire is what she needs. Or a handful of those side view mirrors you like to knock off. Rubbing elbows at 100 miles an hour with other boys and girls in the track. Good luck for the rest of the season. Jingle F35 karma for Ashland at the Virginia International Raceway this weekend. Sincerely, Surya Kabad of the Bike Path Gorbal, you've got.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you very much, sir. Kabad. Count Stephen is in Oswego, Illinois. 515 38. It may be 500 with fees. Please set me up as secretary. The Secretary Generalship of Winder and the Great Smoky Mountains could use some relationship karma as well. And this comes from Count.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe Winder.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if. Yeah, maybe it is Winder. I'll pronounce it properly during your ceremony. Count Stephen of Winder and the Great Smoky Mountains.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeffrey ray in Maricopa, Arizona. 51538 Jeffrey Ray, Secretary General of the Autonomous region of Madeira, aka digital21 12 man oh, there he is. Oh, that's who this is. Is it possible to please email a PDF of the certificate? Because we got into a backyard and forth and I guess he. He is.

[Adam Curry]

He doesn't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

He might not be the same guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it is. He doesn't have a wall.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I don't know. We'll work it out.

[Adam Curry]

We always work it out. We'll take care of you, brother. $350.93 from Sir Scovie from Charlotte, North Carolina. Thank you, Scoby. Sir Scoby. Jingles sharpen respic bush Just send your cash. Klobuchar sounds pretty good. ITM gentlemen, please accept this donation of 333 point plus fees. Fellow producers. He says, I have an offer for getmonation for every 333.33 donation made up to and including show 1800 on September 18th. There it is, John. September 18th. I will match the 333.33 donation on the following show. This offer is good for up to six donations. It's a matching donation. I think that's a first. No, maybe not the first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no. Somebody else I think did that at a meetup.

[Adam Curry]

This is, I think nonprofits. Nonprofits love to do this because you can see we got a matching donation, everybody. And he continues by saying no Agenda is the best podcast in the universe. Let's give John and Adam another reason to know us as the best producers in the universe. Love and light. Sir Scoby, Duke of the Piedmont PhD. I know a lot of people want.

[John C. Dvorak]

To send blankets or water. Just send your cash.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

I think that sounds pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Classic Weird wizard in Valparaiso, Indiana. 350 93. Elder Zoomer here just turned 28.

[Adam Curry]

Yay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Been a Lister since Adam's appearance on the JRE back in 2020.

[Adam Curry]

Broke a dog donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I formed a relationship with God in part due to Adam. He's talking about his journey and have found prayer to be our praying to be a great way to end each day. I'm debt free, which is a big deal, by the way. Have a great job I enjoy. And recently purchased a house. He's on a roll. And met the love of my life. Holy moly.

[Adam Curry]

This is great.

[John C. Dvorak]

He inspires me like nothing else that ever came. I ever came close to. Sadly, it seems it is not meant to be at this moment of our lives. Asking for a de douching. You've been de douched. And some relationship karma. Thanks for keeping me relatively well. Okay, relatively sane. All the best. Weird was spelled with a Y. Weird wizard of Valparaiso, Indiana.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

Chris Balance. Balance Balint. He's in Parkville, Maryland. 350 93. That's a 333.33 with fees. I've been listening since 2020 21. I very much appreciated you guys and the work that you do. I made my first donation of 33.33 a few years ago. Here's a bit more value for the value that you create for us all. Shout outs to my wife Ann, who makes living in the reality of the neo postmodern world so much better and funnier. And to my friend Jamie for the initial to no agenda. My friend Sir Jonathan of the Fan Mountain Ugnaughts and James A. The Jolly Wizard. And of course my friend, a collaborator of 25 plus years, John B. AKA Snackmaster on Bandcamp, Escape the Mind Games, my community of immunity. You guys are all part of what makes life worth living. Oh wow. I also want to plug out there for my dad Bart Balance book. It's titled the Giant Clam and Other Visions. I had that vision one time. It's available on Amazon. He's been dealing with cancer for a number of years and last year completed his memoir of his life and experiences. In my view, he is an extraordinary individual. His birthday is August 28th. Happy birthday and thank you dad for everybody, for everything. From Chris. Yeah, go get his book. This sounds like a good one. The Giant Clam and Other Visions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir Baron Commodore PhD guest cadaver and is there really a place called Doom?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, it's. And it's Dorn. It's an orange Doom. No, that's Dorn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dor Holland 34375 ITM Adam and John no specific reason, just a token of appreciation for your clarification and exposure of the M5M idiocy and for bringing it to the attention of all the producers, douchebags and non donating profiteering listeners. There's a sentence for you.

[Adam Curry]

There it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our appreciation is huge and shrinking. Our amygdala is incredibly healthy for all of us. Shout out to all the no agenda producers and communities. Limousine will be ordered to pick up Sir Baron, Commodore Ph.D. goost cadaver.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, there's Eli the coffee guy from Bensonville Illinois with 208-24824. You know what he does? He always adds the date in there. He says. I'll keep it short and sweet. I love that you guys called out John Bolton as a fart sniffer. Keep up the great work. For producers who want great tasting coffee, visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. And whatever you do, stay caffeinated, says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eli the Coffee Guy Scott Johnson in Kissimmee, Florida 20477. He sent a check in and it was a note. The note says in the morning Adam and John I first discovered the best podcast in the universe back when John would unabashedly plug no Agenda on this Week in Tech. And speaking of plugs, let's talk about my Photo Expert Export iPhone app. Effortlessly convert and export your photos to PNG or JPEG and videos to MP4 with photo export. All core features are available for free. No subscriptions free free free. Unlock batch exports with a one time in purchase app in app purchase purchase in app purchase. Imagine being able to resize and export hundreds of photos at a time with just a few taps on the screen.

[Adam Curry]

It's free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Photo Export is perfect for photographers, creators, and anyone needing fast, reliable media transfers to a variety of destinations. Look for Photo Export on the Apple App Store. Remember, it's free to use free free Also Also works on iPad and Mac and no subscription required. For more details, Visit my website 4.7 okay, the number 4.77 number.com no jingles. Blessings to all from Scott Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

All right, Scott, good luck with your app, ma'. Am. Hey, there's Linda Loop atkin from Lakewood, Colorado with $200. We know she wants Jobs Karma and she says are you worried about AI? For a resume that gets results, tells your unique story, and highlights the value you bring, go to image inc.com that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning resumes, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Let's vote for Jobs Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And last on our list is Molly landry in Houston, Texas. 200. This donation is in honor of my husband Toby Landry's 40th birthday. He's a regular listener of your show and frequently mentions how it keeps him sane. Nice. He will be totally embarrassed by this by his name being mentioned on on the air, so please make sure to do so.

[Adam Curry]

We have done so.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's on the list.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And he is on the list indeed. Thank you all very much. And of course, we'll be thanking $50 and above supporters of this episode in our second break. Coming up in a little bit. As always, we want to remind you that these titles are real, can be used anywhere. And of course, we know now have some secretaries general who we shall be congratulating and giving their official. What is the, I guess ceremony Is there, is there, what do we have for a secretary general? What is it? Is it, I think ceremony, ceremony, ceremony. It is. I will be doing that. And you can always support us. Any amount, any reason. Usually it's for reasons of appreciation for the value that you receive. Go to noagendadonations.com if you want to become a sustaining donor. Very easy. You can set it up. Recurring donation, any amount, any frequency. It's all up to you. It's value for value. Congratulations again to these executive producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I think that sounds pretty good. Shut up. Smoke.

[Adam Curry]

Federal Reserve? No, maybe not Federal Reserve. Do you know Muhammad El Aryan?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't know Muhammad El Aryan.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Margaret Brennan had him on and it was in response to, I guess the Friday. Was, was it Friday? The stock market just went kaboomy, kablooey. Wasn't there a record close for the Dow Jones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was all based, all based on this. All based on this.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell used Friday's speech to signal the central bank is open to cutting interest rates ahead of its next decision in September.

[John C. Dvorak]

The baseline outlook and the shifting balance of risks may warrant adjusting our policy stance.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Powell, whose term as chair expires next May, has faced intense pressure from President Trump to lower interest rates. He spoke today about continued economic uncertainty over the administration's immigration and tariff policies.

[John C. Dvorak]

This year, the economy has faced new challenges. Significantly higher tariffs across our trading partners are remaking the global trading system. Tighter immigration policy has led to an.

[Interviewee/Guest]

Abrupt slowdown in labor force growth.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

President Trump backed off previous threats to fire Powell, but is now targeting another Fed board member, Lisa Cook.

[John C. Dvorak]

What she did was bad, so I'll fire her if she doesn't resign.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Cook was appointed to the Fed's Board of Governors by former President Biden. This week, a Trump administration official accused her of mortgage fraud and called for an investigation. In in a statement, Cook says she has no intention of stepping down.

[Adam Curry]

I love how you know this monumental sentence by Powell, first I'm going to cut race. And then of course, Trump bad because someone else, one of her colleagues accused her of mortgage fraud, which sounds pretty Much par for the course, I guess. So Margaret Brennan had this Mohamed El Erian guy on. I guess he's a big bond dude according to the trolls in the know. And here's what he had to say.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

We turn now to the US economy. Mohamed El Erian is the chief economic adviser at Allianz and he joins us this morning. Greenwich, Connecticut, good morning to you.

[Adam Curry]

It's from Allianz in Connecticut. Good morning, Margaret.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

So we saw the Federal Reserve chair signal on Friday that the Fed is going to, as expected, begin lowering rates very soon. But he's also also cited slowing economic growth and a cooling job market. So why then did the financial markets rally?

[Adam Curry]

What is with the laughter, Margaret? That's not needed because he finally pivoted.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

To the risk that matters most for.

[John C. Dvorak]

The US economy right now. By construct, the Fed has to deliver two things, maximum employment and price stability. And the Fed is looking a slightly higher inflation and a weakening labor market. And what Powell finally did, and many.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Of us feel he should have done.

[John C. Dvorak]

This earlier, is he said the risk to the employment side is higher than the risk to the inflation side and.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Therefore an interest rate cut is warranted.

[John C. Dvorak]

As you know, many of us felt.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

He should have cut last month.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like he's a Trump guy. I don't even know why she has him on. He's saying what the President has been saying for a long time time.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Well, the Fed chair said significantly higher tariffs are remaking the entire global trade system. Tighter immigration policy has slowed labor growth and there are big tax and regulation changes you can't quite quantify at this point. But it's a lot of uncertainty since economists have to build off of models and data. How do you predict where we're going if basically he's saying throw out your models.

[Adam Curry]

She's laughing again.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

So one of the problem.

[Adam Curry]

Huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you notice that she said she made it. It was a self contradictory statement. She says that the the slower migration or no migration is creating a tighter labor market.

[Adam Curry]

Is that what she said?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, something. It was just completely wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Let's listen.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Tighter immigration policy has slowed labor growth growth.

[Adam Curry]

Tighter immigration policy has slowed labor growth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that so? And Powell's worried about labor slowdown labor. Is labor growth slowed because of the lack of cheap labor? Does that make sense?

[Adam Curry]

Cheap illegal labor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Illegal labor is ruining the country. That's what we're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So one of the problems is he hasn't looked forward enough. He been very data dependent and therefore he has tended to be late. Look, there is Something promising in our future, and that is productivity enhancement that comes from exciting innovation in AI and life sciences and robotics and other area. We just have to manage a challenging few months in the period ahead. And if that challenge is mishandled, we will not be able to get the opportunities that we have that offset a lot of structural headwinds. And that includes high debt and high deficits.

[Adam Curry]

What? I don't know. So what does, what does this mean, John? Does this mean we'll be printing money again or what does this mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't mean anything. It's just blathers, typical financial stuff. They just talk, talk, talk, you know, anything that benefits the markets, the stock market specifically is great. So there's an interesting one of the big AI product companies that provides. I, I don't know if I'm allowed to say who this is.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I'll say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's a company that is very heavily into AI and they had, they took their. They decided to eat their own dog food, which is an old term that used to be used in Silicon Valley.

[Adam Curry]

Did they use AI for their company balance sheet?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they decided to take 1,000 people that work there and have them and study their use of AI to see what effect it had on productivity.

[Adam Curry]

And it probably degraded productivity.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it did nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing at all, one way or the other. Huh.

[Adam Curry]

And you got this from Buzz Kill Junior?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay, well, you don't have to say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so nothing at all happened. And so the CEO is like concerned about this. It's like, what's the point? And so they're doing. The more studies are expected from different companies to see what kind, you know, if AI, because it's. Oh yeah, you got use AI, you can increase your productivity. And it shows. I think it does increase productivity with it. Like for example, our artists. It doesn't mean that it's good.

[Adam Curry]

No, I mean, but we would. If we were a commercial operation and we were looking for commercial viable art, we would pretty much say no to everybody. So they would have to go back and do it anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway, something's amiss. And this, he says that this is why Altman came out with his commentary about, well, you know, maybe we're going too far, there's a bubble, blah, blah, blah. Because he doesn't want to get blamed for what. When it, when it finally starts to appear that AI is a dud insofar as really being of use in terms of productivity. I mean, it's fun.

[Adam Curry]

It's very fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's fun. You have fun with it more than anybody. I got lots of fun and it's fun, but it's not productive necessarily. And it's, it's going to be a. And he, he's now my son who is in AI. He is on board with your thinking, which is the end is near.

[Adam Curry]

AI winter is coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I also.

[Adam Curry]

What's his timeline? Did he give you a timeline on what he thinks?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he could, you know, I threw back at him his own thoughts earlier about jumping the shark. And after jumping the shark, you have a period of time that two or three year period before it actually anything. It really is. It's just a marker. And I said when is it jump the shark that you're going to get the marker you're always talking about? And so he can't, he doesn't have it. It's not happening tomorrow. Let's put it that way.

[Adam Curry]

No, it won't happen tomorrow when it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will happen when three years.

[Adam Curry]

It'll happen when people actually have to pay the actual cost of this. This stuff. That's when it's going to happen. And I think OpenAI is starting to show those signs where $200 a month. You still get limited on Chad GPT5 and you know, just, it's getting pricey now. There's one other AI story that I just wanted to put on your radar because you also watch YouTube from time to time. There's a lot of YouTubers who are claiming and circumstantial evidence shows it that when they upload video to the, to the YouTubes that what comes back. Excuse me, what comes back appears to be AI upscaled is what they're saying. And what it really means is everything looks kind of AI ish. You know, it's like enhanced. The hair looks more enhanced. It looks kind of. You know how scaramangus videos look kind of slick and slimy and then glossy slimy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know what I mean, right? AI has a certain look. There's a look, there's a look. And they're all saying, oh, they're AI upscaling. I'm like, what I think is happening is that YouTube has had to or Google has had to change so much of their architecture to do all this generative AI stuff that they've had to take all of their YouTube encoding machines and make them AI generative friendly just to be able to handle the load. And they're like, well, screw it, we'll just make everything load look that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would have a different take. What's your take that somebody a bean counter said, can we make these files smaller and look better?

[Adam Curry]

Same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know, but it's for a different reason. The reason is this overhead.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it's the same reason is we needed the machine, so just do it all this way.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's shrink these things and make them look good, shrunk so the file size is smaller and we can just free up some space on our drives. On our drives.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, man, our drive's getting full here. Let's free up some space.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI all that drive is full.

[Adam Curry]

Go for it. We can do it. We can do it. Yeah. All right. I'll keep my eye on that. I haven't really caught him in the wild.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have not seen any evidence of this. But it's pot. I don't watch enough.

[Adam Curry]

I guess now neither do I. This was an interesting. There's some DEI stuff. This was kind of an interesting take. This is. I believe. I'm not sure which network this is from.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Well, Target CEO now plans to step down after struggling to turn around weak sales. Brian Cornell announced today that he would leave the position on February 1 after 11 years at the helm. He will be replaced faced by Target's chief operating officer. The change in leadership comes at the same time Target reported another quarter of sluggish results. The company has seen flat or declining sales in eight out of the past 10 quarters. The retail giant was the target of a nationwide boycott several months ago after backtracking on its DEI initiatives.

[Adam Curry]

So this report leads me to believe that people are not going to Target because they got rid of their back to school rainbow stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is true. And I've always been on the DH Unplugged show. I've always condemned Target for being too woke and ruining the business. And the CEO has to quit. And I've been saying this for years and now these guys quit. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Although he didn't really fully quit, he's been boosted to chairman of the board and they brought in his COO as the new CEO. So it's probably going to be be the same, I'm guessing. But everybody's handled this poorly except Costco. Costco is the only operation that got that avoided this dilemma, which is what we have here at Target. And by Costco saying we're not changing any of our DEI policies, we're going to stay the course. They don't really have any DEI policies, so they're just this bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

They barely have any people working on the floor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean they have people, but they.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T have that handing out snacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they did the best job of it by saying they're not changing anything. And so a bunch of these pressure groups and there's one group in particular, a new one that just came around, I don't know if I don't have a clip of them, but a new guy who's, he's in the footsteps of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton is another guy's another pastor and he's the one creating, going to create a, he's creating boycotts against Target and yeah, the old, the old extortion scam. That works.

[Adam Curry]

It's good. It works. It's a great gig. It's great. Well, the other DEI news was President Trump and the Smithsonian.

[John C. Dvorak]

This country cannot be WOKE because WOKE is broke, wrote US President Donald Trump on his website Truth Social Tuesday. The latest target in his administration's culture war. The Smithsonian Institution, which includes encompasses 21 museums, 14 education and research centers and the National Zoo, mostly located in Washington, D.C. the museums throughout Washington, but all.

[Adam Curry]

Over the country are essentially the last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remaining segment of woke. The Smithsonian is out of control, where everything discussed is how horrible our country.

[Adam Curry]

Is, how bad slavery was and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been. Nothing about success, nothing about brightness, nothing about the future.

[John C. Dvorak]

Traditionally, the Smithsonian has operated with independence. The administration first targeted the historic educational institution in a 27 March executive order which sought to rid it of a so called divisive race centered ideology. On August 12, the White House sent a letter to the institution announcing its intentions to start the process by formal review. Tuesday, Trump said his lawyers would begin we are not going to allow this to happen and I have instructed my attorneys to go through the museums and start the exact same process that has been done with colleges and universities where.

[Adam Curry]

Tremendous progress has been made.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not the first time the Trump administration has attempted to purge policies and ideas it deems too progressive or favoring minorities. A 20 January executive order took aim at DEI, or diversity equity and Inclusion programs in the government, universities and across the nation. Just nine days later, the Smithsonian Institution announced it would end its Office of Diversity.

[Adam Curry]

How much money? You know, art can be anything and I'm fine. You know, do whatever you want when it comes to art. But you know, when it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Smithsonian is not really an art museum.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, but it's. But they receive over a billion dollars in federal grants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're all upset. I have a clip that you have to look up in the database. It's from Show 90. It's the Smithsonian switch Supercut. And it has to do with everybody bitching and moaning what Trump wants to do with the Smithsonian. And this is a bunch of people. Everyone's against it because, you know, heaven forbid that we change the. Make the story a positive story.

[Adam Curry]

I learned in history class that this is how authoritarians operate. They take over the arts, they take over the culture, they take over the museums.

[John C. Dvorak]

Purging history and pilfering museums is pretty high up on the autocratic checklist.

[Adam Curry]

I be worried about the Black Lives Matter exhibit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Others would say this sounds like a Stalinist purge.

[Adam Curry]

All of these things together, you know, hearken to a lot of people, to the kind of countries that, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vladimir Putin would feel very comfortable.

[Adam Curry]

This has just kind of a Soviet feel to it, a Stalinist feel to it. Yeah, well, all I saw was. And that was in the New York Times. They were very upset about the painting of. It was like a black trans woman as the Statue of Liberty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, a black trans woman as a Statue of Liberty.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, with the torches, some flowers, and, you know, the typical kind of stuff. It was entertaining, but, yeah, it's out of control. Yeah, it is a little bit out of control.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a couple of clips. I got the. I want to play this clip. This is. Which galls me personally because I'm the one. I am the writer in the late 80s who uncovered the fact that it was Seuss.

[Adam Curry]

Dr. Seuss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Seuss who invented the word nerd in 1950 in a book that he wrote called if I Ran. Ran the Zoo.

[Adam Curry]

I think we've talked about this on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, we have. And now used to be nerd was always assumed before I wrote about this. And it got good coverage and it changed a bunch of dictionaries because before I wrote about this, it was always said, well, it's. It was a diminution of the. Of the term ne' er do. Well.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it became. And that was nerd. But no, it wasn't it at all. It was just this. This looking. This nerdy character, this nerd character that was in the book who looked exactly like a AI guy back in the day called McCarthy. It looked just like him. So NPR decides to do a rundown on this. Of course, I have. I get zero credit. And they assume that this is. They leave a lot of good stuff out. Of course, I'm. I, you know, I don't Expect to get credit from NPR for d doing anything, as you never even get credit for inventing podcasting, and it's rare that you get invited anywhere. But this is a common complaint that we have, the two of us, about people, their memory, and all the rest of it. And so I found this very irritating to listen to this nerd report on npr.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

What comes to mind when you think of a nerd?

[Adam Curry]

Steve Urkel from Family Matters?

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory?

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Well, you might be able to picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

A nerd, but the history of the.

[Adam Curry]

Word itself is less clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

For our latest Word of the Week.

[Adam Curry]

Feature, we nerd out on some etymology. Here's NPR's Joe Hernandez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nerds. Nerds. Nerds.

[Adam Curry]

Nerds.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

What is a nerd?

[John C. Dvorak]

The movie Revenge of the Nerds was released in 1984 and pitted some brainy college students against their jock tormentors. It solidified the nerd stereotype by that point, though. The word had been around for decades.

[Adam Curry]

But nobody's exactly sure where it came from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Oleksik is a linguist and a content creator who goes by the name the Etymology. I've been making videos as the etymology nerd for a while, and so it's my job to know what the etymology of nerd is. But the problem is that it's a little bit obscure. Perhaps the first known instance of nerd.

[Adam Curry]

Appearing in print was in the 1950.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Seuss book if I Ran the Zoo. According to the online etymology dictionary, it potentially developed from the 1940s word nert, an alteration of the word nut that meant a quote, stupid or crazy person. Alexis says if Seuss actually came up.

[Adam Curry]

With the word, it's what linguists call a nonce formation, meaning it was created.

[John C. Dvorak]

For one purpose and then reused. So if Dr. Seuss did coin the word nerd, he's probably going off other words like nert, which was around, or nuts. Or it just sounds like something that could be a nerd, and then he goes within and other people are like, yeah, that sounds like a nerd. Let's go with it. In the 70s and 80s, nerds were all over film and TV, and then toward the turn of the millennium, they.

[Adam Curry]

Started becoming kind of cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pop culture historian and author Matth Matthew Klickstein says Things like the 90s independent.

[Adam Curry]

Film movement and rock bands wearing thick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rimmed glasses started making the weirdos, the misfits, the outsiders, the nerds, the geeks.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Cool.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so what exactly? What's the credit that you want?

[John C. Dvorak]

That I'm the one who found a Dr. Seuss reference. I even talked to Seuss and his associates about it with a phone call because he was alive at the time and they were unaware of the fact that he's the one who coined the word.

[Adam Curry]

I want an email writing campaign. I want everybody to write NPR and tell them that you are very disappointed in their non accreditation of historian columnist John C. Dvorak that they did not credit him in this article. And you demand. Demand a correction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And they're going to do what they do, which is ignore these anybody's notes. You're just wasting your time. I just found it annoying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm highly annoyed for you even.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, to this day we still be thinking it came from someplace else until I dug it up and it took a little work.

[Adam Curry]

I think we should have a new word. Let's bring back some old words. How about square? Square man.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a square man.

[Adam Curry]

Square man. Or how about drip? My mom used that a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drip. Drip. Still a good word.

[Adam Curry]

He's a drip. Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drip.

[Adam Curry]

We can use drip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I would say Adam Schiff would be a drip.

[Adam Curry]

He's a big drip. All right, one more. You get five minute warning here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what do we got?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're the one with the clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a few left. Okay, well, we got the bush, but I don't do that here. This is a good one. This is the kind of a politically correct. They're still in Germany. They can't get over it. So here's German. They changed the name of a street.

[Adam Curry]

They did.

[John C. Dvorak]

The street name in Berlin has.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, because it's racist.

[John C. Dvorak]

The street name in Berlin has officially been changed after campaigners successfully argue that the original version was racist. Morin Strasse translates as Moore street, referring to slaves brought to Germany, Germany in the 18th century. Here's our Europe regional editor Paul Moss.

[Adam Curry]

The word Moor was used for the people of North Africa. It was how Shakespeare described Othello. But in Germany, moor was a derogatory term for African slaves. And the presence of a Moorenstrasse in the middle of Berlin was long a cause for complaint. The local council agreed to change the name five years ago, but some locals wanted the original retained. Now. Now, following a long political and legal battle, the name has been changed to Anton Wilhelm Amorstrasse after the first African philosopher to teach at a German university. You know, the Dutch have a treat. Usually comes in a pack of eight, I want to say. And it's kind of marshmallow covered with chocolate on a little cracker.

[John C. Dvorak]

And.

[Adam Curry]

And it looks a bit like a mini boob. Are you familiar with this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I've never seen it.

[Adam Curry]

So you bite into it. It's nice chocolate with kind of a marshmallowy. It's not really a marshmallow. Marshmallowy. And when I was growing up, they were called Necherzune, which means Negro kisses. Well, obviously that had to change throughout the years. And you know what they're called? More Copa Moreheads. So that shouldn't take too long before they have to change. Change that. Now that the Moors.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never thought of Moore as anything other than a black person from North Africa that was populating different parts of Europe and they were called the Moors. It wasn't derogatory. It was just a comment of his description. And then Shakespeare used it. But I guess in Germany it was derogatory. We don't know that. They could be. Bullcrap. The Germans are off the rails.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to show my support by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Well, they may be off the rails, but that doesn't matter because we have people on the rails. Those are the people who support us. $50 and above. And still to come we have some dynamite end of show mixes. John's tip of the day. And we'll be welco brand new secretaries general. After John thanks the rest of our supporters for this episode.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, top of the list is our buddy Dame Rita there in Sparks, Nevada. She comes in every show now. $108.24. And she does the date too, if you have noticed.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, she does.

[John C. Dvorak]

824.

[Adam Curry]

We love it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Milton Mize, 105. 35. Followed by the anonymous South African in exile. And he's in Bo Bucharest, Romania.

[Adam Curry]

He's a long way from home.

[John C. Dvorak]

535. And this is his annual donation. He says he needs some divorce karma, if that's a thing. Well, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I've had some myself, so. Yeah, so we'll take care of you at the end there. No problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says again calling out my fellow anonymous South African in exile on another continent. That's twice the douchebag he was last year. Douchebag. I don't know who that guy is, but he should be called up by name.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Early Turtle in Topeka, Kansas. Cute little town. 103.33. Dame Denise in Camden, Ohio. 1 oh. $100.85. And she's got a note here. Switcheroo for somebody for Leanne Taylor. And dame cannot be a douchebag for a daughter who please de douche her. Leanne, you've been de douched. She's the queen of cobalt. Cobalt programmers.

[Adam Curry]

I'll bet she is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there used to be a machine called a Cobalt.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you have one.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I had the blue cobalt machine. I sure do.

[John C. Dvorak]

In field, $100. Daniel Fisher in Gwynn, Michigan. 100. Kevin Sullivan in Wallingford, Connecticut. 100. He's been listening for 10 years. Wow. He's getting married. What's a shout out to his future smoking hot wife Morell. Named after the tasty mushroom. David Razorsek, resource rich Razor SEC in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 8008. And he's got a happy birthday call out for someone. We'll have that later. Kevin McLaughlin conquer North Carolina. He's Archduke Luna, Lover of America. Lover of boobs and melons. 8008. Nicholas Leary in Columbus, Ohio. 7272. Joshua Jones or Jones, I don't know. Shannon, Illinois. J, O E N S. This is 69. 69. Smart fart sniffing donation. Okay, we don't need that, but okay, Frank. Chiapeta Chia Chia PETA Chia Chiapeta Chia PETA. He's in Carpentersville, Illinois. 6502 from the Moss. 6502 chip. We need more of those. Matthew Elwart in Weatherford, Texas. $60. Sir. Bias Grace in Jacksonville, Florida. 55. 10. Sir Dave Knight with an N in Boise, Idaho. 5333 Fall Lane Line Farm in Box Springs, Georgia. 5272. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Welcoming Bob Newell. He was overboard. He's back. Welcome back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's back. He was overboard. He's back. Bob Newell in pictures. Pen. Pen. Penal. I don't know how to pronounce that. In Pennsylvania. 5250. Baron Henry of the Outpost Rest. And west in rancho Palos Verdes, 5242. And that brings us to the $50 donations. And there we just do names and locations. Oh, I. Did I say Andrew Benz. He's an Imperial Missouri. Imperial Missouri.

[Adam Curry]

Forest Martin, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, then Andrew Benz is 505 also. But here's the 50s. Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California. Melissa Alvarez in Ponta Verda Beach, Vedra Beach, Florida. Brett Denton in Boise. Another Boise. Brandon McDaniel in Groveland, Florida. Michael Myers in Mandeville, Louisiana. Sir Greg in Newport, North Carolina, Carolina. Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington. And last on our list is our baron, Alan Bean in Beaverton, Oregon. Want to thank all these people for making Show 1793 a reality and a pretty good show.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, thank you again to our executive and associate executive producer for episode 1793. And we thank everybody who came in under $50. We did not mention those for security that we will not blow out someone who wanted to be anonymous. And of course, of course we have our sustaining donors who they just sign up for anything, man. And we love it all. Value for value. Only you can determine what the value is and it can be very different for you from another person. So we appreciate the $4, the $3, the 33s. We appreciate it all. Noagendadonations.com Go there to support us. Any number is appreciated and we love the numerology. Of course your sustaining donations are welcome. And any amount, any frequency, go to noagendadonations.com a nice list today. David Razor Sec, which is his son Sarsaparilia. Sarsaparilla. There we go. He turned 17 on the or he turned 17 on the 22nd. Sir Andy and Dame Kylie wish their beautiful son Eddie a happy one. He turned 16 today. Sir Tom XXV Happy birthday. Dame Rhonda turns 57 today. Dame Denise, her daughter Leanne Taylor turns 40 today. And Molly Landry, her husband Toby Landry turns 40 on the 28th. And Chris Ballant wishes his dad Bart a very happy birthday. August 28th. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come gather round, douchebag producer and slave.

[Adam Curry]

As we all thank your brothers and sisters who gave us some of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nights, some of them days.

[Adam Curry]

For the titles are a change. Yeah, baby. The titles are a change. And by request for Sir Ibod, who now becomes Baron Ibad of the Bike Path Gorbal, Protector of the Seleucid Empire. And I remembered for you, we do have to hand out the karma for those requested earlier.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And now, ladies and gentlemen, for the very first time, we are proud to present our Secretaries General who supported the no Agenda show in the amount of 500 and every requested to be Secretary General. And we are very happy to hand these certificates to them. Steve Miller, Secretary General of Broken Supply Chains. Andrew Miller, Secretary General of Parker County, Sir Ichabod Count Stephen, Secretary Generalship of Winder and the Great Smoky Mountains. And Jeffrey Ria, Secretary General of the Autonomous Regions of Madeira. These are very special people. They shall always be addressed as the Honorable. Please welcome brand new Secretary General of the no Agenda show. Go to noagendarings.com to let us know where to send your secretary General certificates. Welcome to the Secretary General. What do you think?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's good.

[Adam Curry]

This is very underwhelming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, I didn't. I don't know what you want me to say. I mean, your. Your presentations of these things is always a high standard.

[Adam Curry]

I take it seriously. Man. Secretary General is a real title. It's important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it is. Yeah, it is. Everybody.

[Adam Curry]

All right, now, now, now. It's not over. Oh, wait. Before we get there, we missed a secretary general donation from DJ Skyler Firestone, and he. I guess it's important that I say that he was here to represent the best plumbing company in the Austin area, Mango Plumbing. We offer free estimates and are here to provide you with excellent plumbing repairs at an affordable price. Mango Plumbing Plumbing. Those guys make $150,000 a year, but they will fix your pipes, no problem. Awesome. All right, now, here's my blade. Give me your blade. We got two knights here today.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. I got it.

[Adam Curry]

It's perfect. There we go. Oh, I love it when we have knights and dames. I haven't had some dames in a while, but Steve Miller and Andrew Miller, both of you hop up here because, well, we saw. Steve. Steve support $1,000. So that means I get to pronounce the KT as surrender, not Secretary General of broken supply chains and circuitous Secretary General of Parter County. You both are knights. So for you, we've got hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay, and we have IPAs, Philly cheesesteak from Jim's and Basil Hayden, dark rye, old fashions, along with our sparkling cider nest, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and papelman. Of course, the mutton and the mead go to noagendarings.com take a look at those. Well, you're going to be there anyway for your secretary. Do we have it up yet? The secretary general form for. For people to submit? Is it on noagendarings.com tour it end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will end up. Yeah, okay. I'm not. I'm not sure it's up yet.

[Adam Curry]

It'll be up there soon. I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see how beautiful these are going to be. Go there. Noagenderrings.com Let us know what ring size you gentlemen want, and we'll send it off to you with some sticks of wax because they are signet rings, and that enables you to seal your important correspondence in Grand Fashion and style. And as always, all rings are accompanied of a certificate of authenticity. No agenda meetups. Not just a place to find the first responders in an emergency. You can get connection there. That will always give you protection with these people. And you know what? Instead of just hanging out, talking about the show, talk about what you can do to make your community better. To change things, to take away the elite's power. You can do it. I'm sure the local 51 12, the Austin people can do a fine job because they do a lot of cool things, including the float meets we have seduced here with his report. All right, this is Sir Ducifer. We are on the San Marcos River. This is the meetup report in the morning. This is Sir Doug. We're having a wonderful time thanks to no agenda. All right, so it's kid friendly, not kid approved.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Brendan from Local 512 saying.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, butt up is something we say when we hit the low parts of the river.

[John C. Dvorak]

Butt up three hours later.

[Adam Curry]

All right, this is Sir Ducifer. We're at IFRS River Pub and this is the second half of the meetup report.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Ditch Walker. Great time. This is Brendan from Local 512 saying.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning we had a great time on the river in the morning. This is Dame Shan Ary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Connection is protection in the morning. This is Baron Serotonin in the morning, Baron.

[Adam Curry]

Chris in North Austin. Hello citizens and slaves.

[Interviewee/Guest]

This is Baron Scott thanking my co host Rob Difer for taking over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Float portion for me in the morning. This is Patrick Du from Lumberton, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

I just want to let you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

That the vibe here is quite chill. It's a little too chill for my taste. I don't see enough people angry enough.

[Adam Curry]

People slamming tables, turning things over, demanding justice. All right, we had a few kids here, Little Human resources. It was a lot of fun. Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm John, John Zabinden. I work at Ivar's River Club.

[Adam Curry]

How are we today? You guys were good.

[John C. Dvorak]

You guys were good, huh? Light drinking. Light drinking, yeah. Good barbecue food in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

We're about to go hit the shoots. All right, there you go. They got the server in there. Very nice. McKinney. They had their meetup. Let's hear the report.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what was the name of this, this meetup?

[Adam Curry]

McKinney media mockery.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Sir Joe.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Chris of Saxy. Sir Sweaty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's our server. You just want me to say in the morning. You got it. There you go.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

In the morning.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what's your name? Bianca.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Bianca McSwiggins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Excellent. Excellent.

[Adam Curry]

All right, people getting their servers involved. This is going to catch fire, people. Northeast Ohio. Bring it on in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, guys.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Imagine the northeast Ohio. Sorry it's been so long. Meetup. I'm gonna pass the mic around. This is Dave Ashley, lady of the lake.

[Adam Curry]

This is sir real estate at the northeast Ohio meetup. I'm sure my wife said something very lovely about me.

[Legal Expert/Professor]

In the morning, this is sir Joby one.

[Adam Curry]

Leave Dave Smith alone.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

This is Audrey in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey.

[Adam Curry]

This is Nick from Medina in the morning.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

This is Tracy Previn from Cleveland, Ohio in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is sir Christopher of Macedonia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meet up report. Meet up report. No agenda is still king, but bitcoin is the prince. Need a report. We had a wonderful time.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of conversations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great people love the people. Everyone is great. Everyone's looking at me right now. I'm going to go into my spiel, but not for longer. A wonderful time in the morning.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

This is Ms. Be the Bag lady and Sir Anim Nft is handing out leave.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, tell me you don't want to be a part of something like that. You can be a part of that by going to no agendameetups.com there's a meetup taking place as we speak in Carmel, Indiana. That is the Outback Steakhouse Beef tallow meetup. That is Outback steakhouse in Carmel, Indiana. Still to come in this month, the Los Angeles Flight number 66 of the Noah Jenners Leo Bright Bravo hosting that on the 30th and Medford Lakes, New Jersey on the 31st. We still have Madison, Alabama, Houston, Texas, Hofdorp Nord, Holland, the Netherlands, South Slocane, British Columbia, Keyport, New Jersey, Oakland, California, Tilburg, Nord Brabant, the Netherlands again, no, that's a different Netherlands. Wow, there's so many groups. And October 11th right here in Fredericksburg, Texas. That'll be a fun one. I will be attending and I hope to drag the keeper along with me. No agenda meetups. This is where you get your connection. It gives you protection. You can start one yourself. If you don't have one near you, go to noagendameetups.com always easy and always a party where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if I recall, this is where we do the end of show. I so if I recall, you had two you were keeping in abeyance from the last show. You have three. I see three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I do.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, let's start with yours. Which one do you Want.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's start with the one, the new one, which is taken from. I thought this was interesting. This is therapy.

[Adam Curry]

Will they save you money on therapy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Therapy, do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Kind of muddy. A little muddy, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is muddy. Okay, well then we'll go to the bands ones. All right, we have. Amazing.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

That was amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, not bad, not bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

And sleep.

[News Anchor/Reporter]

Do these guys ever sleep? Great show.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. I can beat that. I can beat that. Not with this one, though.

[Interviewee/Guest]

I think everybody loved it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

I think the one that beats it is this one. Donate to the best podcast in the universe. Huh? Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

I couldn't understand it.

[Adam Curry]

You couldn't understand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was something about the best podcast in your room. What was the beginning?

[Adam Curry]

Donate to the best podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, donate to the best podcast. Okay, I'm in.

[Adam Curry]

There we go. He's not only in, he has your tip of the day, ladies and gentlemen. Stand by. Here he is, John C. Dvorak with.

[John C. Dvorak]

JCD and sometimes Adam. Oh, so here's a cooking. Not a cooking product, but a salad product I think is salad salad products. And it is pumpkin seed oil.

[Adam Curry]

It's a seed oil. It's going to kill you.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's done. It's extracted, expeller extracted. You want the good stuff since it doesn't won't kill you. But pumpkin seed oil, you can not have it if you don't want it. But it's. I discovered it didn't disclose discovered it was foisted upon me in a visit to Slovenia of all places where it's used constantly in all the salad bars and all over town they always have a jar of this pumpkin seed oil that they put on everything, mostly on salads. Like if there's a normal salad dressing, you add some pumpkin seed oil and I was told there and you can look this up, it might be true that it prevents process prostate cancer. And so I. So pumpkin seed oil, which you can get, you can usually get the good French stuff from various sources that have carry a lot of different kinds of variety of oils. And you can also buy it on Amazon. And you want the. You don't want the pumpkin seed tablets or anything like that. You want the oil so you can use it for the following recipe which is perfect for this tomato season. We're in tomato season right now. Right in the middle of the tomato season. Take and get the ripest tomato you can and slice it, put it across the plate and salt it with some fleur de sel and then use pretty much equal amounts of balsamic vinegar and Pumpkin seed oil, which looks like balsamic vinegar. It's a dark. This is a toasted oil. So it's a dark oil. And just the combination of balsamic vinegar and pumpkin seed oil and the salt and the tomato. Absolute killer.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, tomato season. Most people just go to the supermarket and they see tomatoes all the time. Is it tomato season for American tomatoes or where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, for our tomatoes, do you recommend fresh ones? You want to get at the farmer's market. You don't want to buy grocery store tomatoes?

[Adam Curry]

No, they're no good. Got that Bill Gates wax on it. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you go to a farmer's market. Everyone's got a farmer's market. Especially down in the South. There's tons of them where you can get the fresh, super fresh tomatoes that are, you know, just picked off the vine or go or grow some tomatoes yourself.

[Adam Curry]

Do you recommend a particular type of tomato for this?

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the best tomatoes that generally grows well everywhere is an ace, Ace tomato. It has good tomato flavor. It's not an heirloom by any means, but it's a good, good tomato. And, you know, beef steaks and all the rest of them are all good. They're tasty and some especially if they come out right. But, but this pumpkin seed oil and balsamic vinegar on a tomato right now is dynamite.

[Adam Curry]

There it is, ladies and gentlemen, your tip of the day. Get them [e-mail].

[John C. Dvorak]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Now I'm gonna go get me a ace tomato at the heb. I'm sure they have them. Or maybe not. You never know. I do love it when you do food tips. I think that's, that's a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

People love the food tips.

[Adam Curry]

People always love food tips. You should do a book about this stuff. Maybe a book about vinegar.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's coming.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know it is. Stay tuned to your no Agenda stream. No Agenda Stream. Trollroom IO if you want to hang out. If you're already listening on a modern podcast app, you're in good luck because it's coming right up after we shut down our broadcast. Stream Mere Mortals, the book reviews World Building on Steroids, Fellowship of the Ring Book review from Kyron, Kyron and the gang there at the Mere Mortals. You will not regret it. End of show Net mixes. We have Robin Breedfeld, we have Melod, and we have Tom Starkweather. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, which will soon be the location of the meetup on 11 October in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dan. From northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be back on Thursday with more media deconstruction just for you. Remember [e-mail] until then. Adios, mofos. Hooey, hooey and such.

[John C. Dvorak]

A day.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the clip of the day. I'm gonna give you a clip of the day. Give yourself clip of the day for pulling this one out. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a clip of the day. Give yourself clip of the day for pulling this one out.

[Adam Curry]

Good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna give you a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going to give you a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day, man. That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip of the day. That's a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Clip of the day, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give yourself clip of the day for pulling this one out. I'm gonna give you a clip of the day. Clip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Are you hiding? You're not hiding anything. Prove that to the American people. Yes. And if you are trying to hide something, as many of Donald Trump's MAGA supporters apparently believe, then the Congress should actually work hard to try to uncover the truth for the American people. He's dead.

[Interviewee/Guest]

He's gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein died from suicide.

[Adam Curry]

Epstein died from suicide.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein didn't kill himself. Epstein died from suicide.

[Adam Curry]

Jeffrey Epstein kill conducted a conference called Confronting Gravity. I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was, but I'll. I've certainly bet money that he was the product of at least one or more elements of intelligence. The CIA, xb, those are ours.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it was Gates was there, all these guys and, and I guess Epstein was there. So I could have had the opportunity to be Epstein and say, well, what a creep. Or whatever. I would have said, I don't know, I probably would have said any. He's dead, he's gone.

[Adam Curry]

The old elitist for them.

[Reporter/Correspondent]

Where's my ice cream?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I give them a B. I appreciate a bit more fire and spice.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's an audience beyond the Senate and that is John Bolton's politicization of the intelligence he got in Cuba. And on other issues. Why would we want someone with that lack of credibility? I can't understand. Clearly, that's what John Bolton represents. He would tell in a captivating way that the public would watch the most pernicious part of the President's scheme and his love of conspiracy theories.

[Adam Curry]

Partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience. You know, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The.

[Adam Curry]

The credulous boomer Rube demo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, look. Wait. Conspiracy theorists. Theory theories. I think at the end of the day, it all boils down to this.

[Adam Curry]

That was a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

I.

[Adam Curry]

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