John C. Dvorak (1:48)

Let's not forget that.

Adam Curry (1:49)

Let's not forget that.

John C. Dvorak (1:50)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (1:51)

But yesterday, man, Charlie Kirk. I got a note from one of our producers, Iraq veteran, because it kind of fits with September 11th because why was he there? And he said, double sad day today. Charlie Kirk. Yesterday, a true free speech assassination. I saw a young Marine die in a similar way in Iraq in 2005. And the video of Charlie rocked me like it was the first time seeing it. Knowing Charlie Moore with his wife and two kids and watching him for years and being proud of the things he has done for our young people. I canceled all my meetings for today because it's hard to stay focused because I'm time traveling back to Iraq and it's just looping in my head. And he also said that the videofication of violence is just horrific, which is true. You and I have discussed. You're not really on X like that with an algorithm. You're just on the website, I think.

John C. Dvorak (2:45)

But it's always because my phone's in a drawer.

Adam Curry (2:48)

Yes, smartly. It's always. Everything you see is violence. If you just scroll and if you let the videos go, it's all just people beating each other.

John C. Dvorak (2:57)

That's if you keep picking it. If you watch those videos, if you stop watching those videos, you'll start getting something else.

Adam Curry (3:04)

Yeah, no, that's not true because I've tried everything. Tried everything. So you sent a couple of bonus clips, which I want to start. Because I presume you have the latest update, which I don't have, but I'll just tell you. Something changed in me yesterday. This was.

John C. Dvorak (3:22)

I'm sorry, something what?

Adam Curry (3:23)

Something changed in me. Something changed. You know, we all went to church, we prayed for Charlie, his friends, his family, prayed for our country. I can't claim this show from this day forward will ever. Could really be called no Agenda. Because from now on, I got an agenda. An American agenda. And that's based on what Charlie Kirk stood for. Truth according to the word of God. I am sick of it all. Sick of it. Time to put down our phones and pick up our Bibles. Give me your bonus clips. What you got?

John C. Dvorak (3:54)

Well, I have the teaser clip from abc, which is what brought me to the second clip. Because the second clip kind of brings it. Look, I was not expecting this. I thought it was just. I thought we will discuss this, but I thought this was a professional hit.

Adam Curry (4:11)

I completely. I still think it was.

John C. Dvorak (4:14)

Well, to a point. But there's some conspiracy aspect to it. And being a professional hit, I thought led me to believe that they're never going to catch the guy because he already had. Because from what you can tell, from what we've been told is there were two decoys, which is one more than usual, that were both picked up and let go. And there was. And the guy was, you know, he was. It was a one shot, which was important to note.

Adam Curry (4:48)

Bolt action rifle, supposedly. Well, yes. News flash. Nobody knows anything and the FBI is certainly the last to know, apparently.

John C. Dvorak (5:00)

And so we have. This broke this morning from abc.

News Correspondent (5:11)

Hi, I'm Diane Macedo. Let's get right to breaking news. The FBI is asking for help identifying this man who they are calling a person of interest in the shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Sources tell ABC News ammunition found with the rifle was engraved with messages about transgender issues and anti fascist ideology.

Adam Curry (5:31)

Yeah, really convenient in this case.

John C. Dvorak (5:36)

Well, I don't know how convenient it was, but the point is that they brought it in later. They had a. This is a long presentation and they. They had gotten as far as they could with the. With the story. As far as I'm concerned, the teaser there was probably the thing wrapped up in a. In a nutshell, in a package. So then we have this. From this I picked up. I kind of. I retweeted this, and I took it down. I said, I don't know, maybe not because it's inflammatory, but I thought this clip was quite interesting.

Adam Curry (6:11)

Yeah, you got to tell me which clip that is, because.

John C. Dvorak (6:13)

Oh, it's trans.

Adam Curry (6:15)

Oh, hold on a second.

John C. Dvorak (6:16)

It was the second bonus clip.

Adam Curry (6:20)

I know. I saved it. Hold on a second. I don't understand why it's not here. I'm sorry. I. I'm telling you, I saved this clip, and for some reason.

John C. Dvorak (6:36)

Well, you probably saved to a wrong. It probably went to a wrong folder.

Adam Curry (6:39)

Then foreboding. Here it is. Okay, hold on a second. Sorry about that. I'll cut this out, and no one will ever know the difference.

John C. Dvorak (6:49)

Oh, if it's a trans shooter, baby, the trans community.

Adam Curry (6:52)

So this person here goes to the university, of course.

John C. Dvorak (6:57)

Are they them?

Adam Curry (6:58)

And look at what he said yesterday. He says here, charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow. I really hope someone evaporates him, literally. And then he writes, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. Hmm. So a trans student is saying this yesterday. And I also find it very, very odd that the person asking the question was asking Charlie about trans shooters before he got shot. So FBI, cash, Patel, whoever the.

News Correspondent (7:30)

This dude is.

Adam Curry (7:32)

Yeah, I think you should look into this. Yeah, no, that's. I think we probably all saw that post. And the person who posted that after, I was like, no, no, no, I didn't do any. There are a lot of people saying no.

John C. Dvorak (7:43)

The other thing is the coincidence, because the question was to Charlie, how many trans shooters were involved in, you know, mass shootings in the last 10 years? And Charlie's answer was a little glib, which was abnormal for him, but it was a good. It was good. It was funny.

Adam Curry (8:01)

I have it here. I have it here. I have it here.

John C. Dvorak (8:03)

Ok. Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?

Adam Curry (8:09)

Too many, I think. It replays here.

John C. Dvorak (8:16)

Okay, now, five is a lot, right?

Adam Curry (8:18)

I'm gonna give you.

John C. Dvorak (8:18)

I'm some credit. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years, counting or not counting gang violence? Great. So the. The. The time differential between him saying too many and Getting shot was 11 seconds. And the. The coincidence is a little too much for Me, Me too. Because you had the guy posting this note and then in total denial and the next thing you know you have a trans guy asking a specific. Or trans. I don't know if he was. He wasn't.

Adam Curry (8:57)

No, I don't think. I don't think he was.

John C. Dvorak (8:59)

No. He was just some guy or dude or they. Them, who knows? But some guy coincidentally asking a question about trans shooters and within 11 seconds he gets shot. And then now we have the report from ABC that has these etchings on bullets or something which may or may not be true, but this, if this is lined up to just the sabotage and there's also an antifa angle. According to abc, there was antifa stuff. It's a little bit too much to expect this to be an op. Anti trans op. There's something going on.

Adam Curry (9:39)

Yeah. We have an enemy in America and if anything, that enemy is trying to cause civil war because that's where we're headed. And.

John C. Dvorak (9:51)

Oh, I don't buy that.

Adam Curry (9:53)

Okay, you don't buy it.

John C. Dvorak (9:55)

I know we're not headed to a civil war.

Adam Curry (9:57)

World wars have been started over one guy getting shot.

John C. Dvorak (10:01)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (10:02)

Okay. So you said. You say whatever you want. I'm telling you how I feel. And if anyone's to blame, if anyone's to blame, it's the crap that we have on television, it's the crap that our politicians. It's the crap that is repeated on social media and it's crap like this. But following up what was just said.

John C. Dvorak (10:22)

He'S been one of the most divisive.

Adam Curry (10:24)

Especially divisive younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful actions. Exactly. Let's hear an example.

John C. Dvorak (10:44)

I just don't even know why there.

News Correspondent (10:46)

Aren'T uprisings all over the country.

John C. Dvorak (10:47)

And maybe there will be.

Adam Curry (10:49)

People need to start taking to the street. This is a dictator, you know.

News Correspondent (10:53)

There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives. Enemies up to state.

Adam Curry (10:59)

Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.

News Correspondent (11:03)

Do something about your dad's immigration practices. You feckless.

John C. Dvorak (11:07)

They go low.

Adam Curry (11:08)

How do you resist the temptation to.

News Correspondent (11:10)

Run up and wring her neck?

Adam Curry (11:11)

The biggest terror threat in this country is white men. Most of them radicalized to the right. I thought he should have punished him.

News Correspondent (11:20)

In the face, even if he lost. He insulted your wife.

John C. Dvorak (11:22)

He was.

Adam Curry (11:23)

And called Mexicans, rapists and murderers.

News Correspondent (11:25)

He said, well, what do you think I should have done?

John C. Dvorak (11:26)

I said, I think you should have.

Adam Curry (11:26)

Punched him in the face and then.

News Correspondent (11:27)

Gotten out of the race. He would have been a hero.

John C. Dvorak (11:29)

I'd like to punch him in the face. I said, if we were in high.

Adam Curry (11:32)

School, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him. Punch some people in the face.

John C. Dvorak (11:37)

When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?

Adam Curry (11:40)

They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's a fact.

News Correspondent (11:44)

Look, as his character is stabbed to.

John C. Dvorak (11:46)

Death, where is John Wilkes Booth when you need him?

News Correspondent (11:50)

I have thought an awful lot about.

John C. Dvorak (11:53)

Blowing up the White House.

Adam Curry (11:56)

A Missouri state senator is under investigation by the Secret Service after saying she hopes President Trump is assassinated.

John C. Dvorak (12:03)

I will go and take Trump out tonight.

Adam Curry (12:06)

And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you stand and you push back on them and you, well done.

News Correspondent (12:25)

And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting system and our honor and our constitution are right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. They're not going to stop before Election Day in November, and they're not going to stop after Election Day. And that should be. Everyone should take note of that on both levels, that this isn't. They're not going to let up, and they should not.

Adam Curry (12:47)

When you have weak people who clearly are mentally ill, this kind of rhetoric can stir people up to nut job stuff.

John C. Dvorak (12:57)

Well, that's definitely true. But if you're going to blame anybody, if we're going to go with the transgender angle, I would blame the medical community.

Adam Curry (13:07)

I'm with you. I'm completely with you. But it's not just the medical community. It's the lawmakers who are pushing for this. The news that continuously pushes for this, political opinions that continue push for this. Yeah. And you know, I'm also done with the, with the abortion baby killing. I'm done with all of it. I'm done with all of this crap. And I'm also done with Israel, who may or may not. I mean, if this was a, if this was an assassin's hit. Listen to what Charlie Kirk was saying about Israel.

John C. Dvorak (13:38)

I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. You're not allowed to.

Adam Curry (13:46)

It's even worse than that.

John C. Dvorak (13:47)

Like, I host a person that I.

Adam Curry (13:51)

Moderate the debate of my.

News Correspondent (13:53)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (13:53)

Right. And I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro Israel advocate and my Moral character is being put into question. And so I just, I think it's a hyper paranoid, like we're just going to try to, we're going to just stamp out everything type, type of practice.

News Correspondent (14:13)

It's like you can't go there when it comes to Israel.

John C. Dvorak (14:17)

Well, you and I believe that we're.

Adam Curry (14:18)

Americans and Americans first, period, end of story.

John C. Dvorak (14:21)

We are citizens of this nation, okay? And Israel, we have funded, we have supported.

Adam Curry (14:26)

Not like we're going to, but we're.

John C. Dvorak (14:28)

Like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive.

Adam Curry (14:32)

I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti Semite.

John C. Dvorak (14:35)

But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions. Not like, hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad person if I do this.

Adam Curry (14:47)

For all we know, this could have been a warning to Trump. Oh, you really, you have a problem with us bombing Qatar? Bombing people in Qatar? You got a problem with that? I wouldn't put it past Bibi Netanyahu. He's off the rails, that guy. He's gone too far now.

John C. Dvorak (15:05)

Well, that's something of a stretch. Although you curious that you now agree with Natalie and, and Clayton.

Adam Curry (15:11)

I'm not agreeing. I'm saying for all we know, we don't know anything.

John C. Dvorak (15:15)

What's their thes?

Adam Curry (15:16)

What I do know is for people saying what was this airplane the assassin left on a private plane. He left the airport just, you know, just right after Kirk was shot. The airplane, November 888Kilo Golf was actually the plane Charlie Kirk traveled on most. I know this because when I saw him speak in Dallas, we landed our little four seater at Addison Airport and I saw. And that was the. No wonder if it was Addison. That was the only plane I saw. And I spoke to the people there and they told me that that was Kirk's plane. And, and it's, it's like a netjet. So it can leave, it can stay overnight whenever, whenever and wherever they need it. So that's, that's not true. But the ignorance, the ignorance of people. You know, we have the Patriot Academy here and which is they teach young people how to introduce bills and how to argue them on the floor and how to make them politically savvy to get them into government. And so they were going to create Constitution City, which would be like a small, you know, 200 person city. It's at 1776, you know, patriot Way, whatever. It's all cutesy if you see what people post about them online. It's Unbelievable. Burn it. Bomb them. Maybe this will be another Waco. They'll kill each other and do the rest of us a favor. Nuke it. Let them die by their bigotry. People are ignorant. And all they do is they sit on their phones all day and listen to nonsense and nonsense. Politicians and nonsense, talking heads. And they believe this stuff. And then you get people. I only have one of them because it's just too annoying. What's the. This is just a perfect example. White woman, green hair.

News Correspondent (17:13)

So I'm being very fucking clear about this so that you know exactly where I stand, and I will say this with my whole entire chest. There are some people on this app that are sitting there saying, oh, you shouldn't wish death upon any person, no matter what side they're on. Fuck that. Fuck that. Charlie Kirk was a fucking Nazi. He was a fucking Nazi. And you know what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one. Thank God that shit stain of a person is no longer in this world, and may his hell be being confronted by every single marginalized person that he hurt. That is what is fucking wrong with you. That does not make me a bad person for thinking that bad people should not be in this world. So that Nazi and have a great day.

Adam Curry (18:01)

And, you know, you've seen it. There was a lot of this everywhere. Oh, there's some gems, you know, and my favorite proverb. Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. That is exactly what that woman is. So we. Hopefully we'll find out. Hopefully we'll figure this out. Man, if it was. If it was Netanyahu.

John C. Dvorak (18:25)

It wasn't Netanyahu.

Adam Curry (18:27)

Well, you don't know that. You don't know anything. Remember, we just found the past.

John C. Dvorak (18:31)

None of the hydra anything. But to go out of the. On the. Out of this, just out of the blue with Netanyahu is just ridiculous.

Adam Curry (18:40)

I don't care what you think about my ridiculous assertions. I'm not leaving anything off the table. Anything this.

John C. Dvorak (18:48)

Well, how about. How about this? The whole thing was a staged, and it was an extraction.

Adam Curry (18:56)

No, I don't.

John C. Dvorak (18:58)

Oh, you just left something off the table. Okay, I just wanted to clear that.

Adam Curry (19:01)

Could you please show me the evidence? Or do you have.

John C. Dvorak (19:03)

Well, show me the evidence of Netanyahu.

Adam Curry (19:05)

I have no evidence other than a very targeted hit.

John C. Dvorak (19:08)

I'm just pointing out that you are leaving stuff off the table, and you are. You're just being bigoted in some funny way.

Adam Curry (19:16)

I'm not being bigoted. You know, I. I actually Yesterday thought I would stop doing this show. I'm so sick and tired of you just saying these things. I have an opinion. Do you? Tell me I'm bigoted. Where's. Where's your green hair, dude?

John C. Dvorak (19:32)

I'm just saying. But, you know, you'll get over it.

Adam Curry (19:36)

Let's say maybe you'll get over it maybe. And maybe not maybe.

John C. Dvorak (19:45)

So let's listen to some analysis about. And I thought this was kind of interesting. This is about the police work going into this from some quasi spook character. This is Kirk Analysis, police work, NTD.

News Correspondent (19:59)

And joining us now to unpack the tragic death of Charlie Kirk is Michael Letts. He's a former Green Beret and law enforcement expert. He's also the CEO of Invest usa. Michael, thank you so much for joining us to discuss this tragedy. First, what will federal law enforcement have to do to figure out exactly what happened? A large crowd of students were there as Charlie spoke. Will need to be assessed.

Michael Letts (20:23)

The first thing we'll have to do is go in and do the trajectory, find out exactly where the round came from. You know, it's kind of tragic that this much time has passed without that being pinpointed, but they're in the process of doing that now. Obviously, we'll have to match up the trajectory with the exact location, the exact casing on the shell, what type rifle was used. And then we're going to have to go into the intel community, find out chatter, find out the list of suspects. And that may be very broad because obviously Charlie's message was controversial. It was right on point, but it was controversial. And so there's a lot of people that would seek to do him harm. So we're going to have to make sure that that gets done. Gets done effectively. The problem that it does bring is that it could take some time. But one of the things I want to reassure the American people is that America stands strong and firm, has always stood strong and firm on the matters of patriotism and truth. And this will not deter us in any form or fashion.

Adam Curry (21:19)

And who is this guy?

John C. Dvorak (21:22)

Well, they introduced him at the beginning. You can play that again if you want to know. But the thing what I thought interesting about this clip was that the intel community has a list of suspects just sitting around that they. They keep track of everybody.

Adam Curry (21:38)

Let me listen to who that guy is again. Let me hear his intro.

News Correspondent (21:41)

And joining us now to unpack the tragic death of Charlie Kirk is Michael Letts. He's a former Green Beret and law enforcement expert. He's also The CEO of Invest usa.

Adam Curry (21:51)

Invest usa. Well, I'll have to look that up. But he clearly says Charlie Kirk had a controversial message. What was controversial to nut jobs? Who was it controversial to?

John C. Dvorak (22:07)

It was obviously controversial to everybody at msnbc.

Adam Curry (22:10)

Invest USA sells bulletproof vests. Okay, well, there's an expert.

John C. Dvorak (22:22)

Well, I mean, you can say what you want. Just play clip two.

News Correspondent (22:25)

And of course right now, still early stages. But from your perspective, what kind of weapon could have been used here today?

Michael Letts (22:32)

It definitely was a long range rifle. I believe it was a sniper rifle. Which quite frankly, if that is the case proves to be accurate, then this was not some just off the cuff, shall we say, disgruntled leftist personnel. This would have been a well coordinated and a well planned attack and would have been given a lot of consideration, a lot of thought, which then narrows the prospects or the suspects that we're looking at. But it also coordinates this great concern. Where do they stop? They're going after conservatives, obviously. They attempted to assassinate the President. They've made other attempts on other personnel. So where is their stop? Where is their ending point? Or just determined to make sure they continue this violence against the American people until they get whatever it is they're looking for, which obviously is a return of power.

Adam Curry (23:19)

Oh, so he's saying the Democrats, basically.

John C. Dvorak (23:24)

Yeah, that's what he's saying. Basically Democrats. And all those clips that you played earlier of all the people shaking their fists and asking for violence. If you noticed, they were all Democrats. Oh, you had Nancy Pelosi, you had what's her name, Waters. You had each and every one of them. You had Rick, what's his name, the.

Adam Curry (23:48)

Guy called for the assassination, the Lincoln Project, whatever.

John C. Dvorak (23:52)

Rick Wilson. You had everybody and their sister in that clip series that you played. You can play it again. Don't. Was all Democrats. They're all Democrats.

Adam Curry (24:04)

Leftists, including news people.

John C. Dvorak (24:07)

I don't even think they were even that much leftists. They were all Democrats. I mean, you call a Democrat a leftist, but I think they're just Democrats.

Adam Curry (24:19)

Okay. I call them Marxists, socialists.

John C. Dvorak (24:23)

I just don't see Nancy Pelosi being a Marxist. She's a pure capitalist.

Adam Curry (24:29)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (24:33)

But she's a Democrat and she was one of the people in there in that clip series. Let's go to three.

News Correspondent (24:40)

And Michael have seen Cancel Culture and violence rise at universities carried out against conservative speakers. Do you expect what happened today to bring about serious change in this regard?

Adam Curry (24:51)

Hold on a second. I might. Did I get the right one? Is that clip three? Yeah, I think so, well, the question.

Michael Letts (24:56)

Will be what kind of change can it bring about and you know, do one or two things. Can it silence conservatives? Absolutely not. I think you're going to see more voices that are going to rise up and take the place of what Charlie was doing such an effective job of doing. The second question is, is can we provide better security? Well, you can provide better security if you're keeping those conservative speakers in an enclosed area that is an auditorium where you can check people coming in, check people coming out, making sure there are no terrorists or sniper shots that could be done from vantage buildings. But that's not the case. That was never Charlie style and that's really not the style of conservative America. They want to be able to express their opinions where people can be heard and that's on the streets, on the sidewalks. And as long as that takes place, it's very hard to continue to provide additional security measures. So I think you're going to see an increase in this, I think you're going to see an increase in conservative voices being heard. And until we from the intelligence community and a law enforcement standpoint pinpoint the source of all this and deal with this leadership and bring it to justice, it's going to get worse, not better.

Adam Curry (26:03)

Baffling to me is how Charlie Kirk was one of the most guarded people in America. I mean he had all kinds of security measures. How could they have missed this? It's like, wow, this seems like a no brainer, this one.

John C. Dvorak (26:24)

Well, they did talk about most of these talk show guys, especially on Fox. They discussed this in great detail and they, and the, the final result was that you can, you know, he had a contingent of pros and there were some campus police involved, but they didn't, it was, they, they all concluded it wasn't at the level of the Secret Service where they would do the checks of the buildings and, and have, you know, counter snipers because Charlie didn't have that. And it was just all personal protection for that, you know, being, you know, the entourage type, protection for close in assaults. No one ever, you know, considered a shot from.

Adam Curry (27:09)

Well, that's, that's what I mean. It's like if you're in the business of securing somebody who's getting constant death threats and like, oh, we didn't think of that.

John C. Dvorak (27:18)

Well, no, I'm not going to argue about that. But at the same time, the irony to this is that maybe they do think about that. But in Orem, Utah, lily white, super conservative, no crime area of the country, probably Mac to the Max, Perfect location.

Adam Curry (27:39)

Perfect location, perfect location. That's my point. You're making it for me. That's my point. Perfect location.

John C. Dvorak (27:45)

It is the perfect location. But it's also the perfect place for you to drop your guard.

Adam Curry (27:50)

Yes, that's what I mean. Unprofessional.

John C. Dvorak (27:54)

Well, I don't know if. Yeah, well, it's natural. Maybe it's unprofessional if you're completely paranoid. But he should have done it inside in that regard if that was the case. But yeah, yeah. And the guy's on the loose. Anyway, this is the last clip.

News Correspondent (28:10)

And when we talk about accountability here, who do you think authorities are going to look at to figure out what were the events that led up to something like this?

Michael Letts (28:19)

Well, I think you've got a number of factors to look at. First of all, a good old adage from a law enforcement standpoint, where's the money? Go to the money trail. Follow the money, follow the paper.

Adam Curry (28:28)

Yes.

Michael Letts (28:28)

And so who's financing these? Who's financing the ability for this to transpire? You know, it's not cheap for long range rivals. It's not cheap to plan the logistics and these kind of things. So find out where the funding sources are coming from. Second of all, find out what the players are. You're not going to get somebody just fresh off the street to do this. This took a professional, somebody who knew what he was doing and who knew how to handle the accuracy of that fire weapon. So those are the kind of issues that we're going to have to look for. Find out who is in the process of organizing and already has been organized for that matter. And by being already organized, they're using their resources to try to counter conservative message, to try to bring forth a revolution, shall we say, of liberalism and liberal ideas. Those are the ones you want to target and investigate. You'll find your answers when you go there.

Adam Curry (29:16)

Oh, well, he makes a very good point. Revolution of sorts. Yes, yes. Seems right.

John C. Dvorak (29:24)

Seems right to follow the money and bust it up. That's the simplest solution. Yeah. And I think we know where half the money's coming from. Where Soros. I'm with Glenn Beck on this one.

Adam Curry (29:43)

The Open Society foundation, because Soros is practically dead himself.

John C. Dvorak (29:47)

That guy's. Well, yeah, but this foundation is. He peopled it with. But he knew how to staff an office. Let's just play this. Kirk Report, NPR kicker. This is from npr.

Adam Curry (29:58)

Hold on a second. Conservative activist and Turning Point USA co founder Charlie Kirk has died. Shot at a college campus in Utah as NPR'S Stephen Fowler reports. The 31 year old helped usher in an age of in your face conservative politics that resonated with young voters, especially young men.

John C. Dvorak (30:20)

Charlie Kirk was well known as an energized speaker and organizer, getting young conservatives registered to vote and ultimately activating a key demographic for a party that has.

Adam Curry (30:29)

Struggled with young people.

John C. Dvorak (30:31)

At 18, he co founded Turning Point USA as a college campus free speech organization.

Adam Curry (30:36)

I had the crazy and wild idea I want to try to start a youth organization to try and save Western civilization.

John C. Dvorak (30:44)

It evolved into an empire with annual summits, faith leader outreach and successful media platforms. Kirk was speaking at Utah Valley University at what was supposed to be the.

Adam Curry (30:53)

Start of a 15 campus American comeback tour when he was shot.

John C. Dvorak (30:57)

Stephen Fowler, NPR News.

Adam Curry (30:59)

Kirk was shot as he was taking questions from the audience about gun violence in the United States. Wow.

John C. Dvorak (31:09)

The number of NPR clips that I have where they finish off, I usually cut them short before the guy says he signs off with, I'm so and so with npr, which the reporter did. It is unbelievably rare that then all of a sudden the host kicks in.

Adam Curry (31:25)

An extra little tidbit that is not rare for npr.

John C. Dvorak (31:30)

They are just, no, it's very rare for NPR to, I mean that's their attitude. But the kick in the tidbit at the end when it's not in the main report is fairly rare, believe me, because this is one of my main things I clip from. And when I heard that, what was the point? Just to put a little gun, little gun action in there, a little anti gun stuff. I just thought it was, I thought it was chicken shit bad, you know, just bad lie.

Adam Curry (31:59)

It was a lie. It was not true.

John C. Dvorak (32:01)

It was bad form.

Adam Curry (32:02)

And also notice how they say he has died. Not he was killed, he was murdered, he was assassinated, he has died versatile, but that makes a difference.

John C. Dvorak (32:14)

Yeah, no, you're right. That's a good catch. And this is npr. This is the, you know, they just don't know. And they're beside, I think the media somewhat, especially these guys, the public media is somewhat beside itself because it's doesn't know what to how to handle this because it's like they know they're the bad guys.

Adam Curry (32:37)

Do they, do they do they really know?

John C. Dvorak (32:39)

They think there's some when this hat only now, I mean when something like this happens, I don't think think they generally know they're the bad guys. But I think when something like this happens, it kind of reminds them that they might be the bad guys. And so they, they, it's interesting to watch them because they position things differently than they normally do.

Adam Curry (32:59)

Now, do you consider Charlie Kirk's Turning Point to be a political organization or something else?

John C. Dvorak (33:07)

Well, Charlie, the way I see this, Charlie Kirk is one of those rare people that had a genuine calling during college quits. Bill Gates is the same kind of guy. Wow. I really think so. Not the current Bill Gates after he got pied in the face and it changed his personality, but the original Bill Gates, he just saw something. He had a vision, quit Harvard to start a software company and became the world's richest man for a, a long period of time. And Charlie Kirk was the same kind of guy. I mean, for an 18 year older to develop an operation that resulted in him having private planes and 850 branches around the country of Turning Point USA and a big headquarters and a well organized structure, this business was highly structured. And for him himself to become one of the top and the only way to describe him. I was thinking about this a few shows ago about people like Charlie Kirk, which is not easy to do, but he's genuinely a polemicist and people should kind of look that up and note how that what that is. And a polemicist is a type of debater that, that is designed to always win the arguments and probably could argue from both sides. And it's a skill set that is, I've only seen a few people capable of. Gore Vidal was one of the great polemicists on the left and Christopher Hitchens was a good one. There's others out there that come and go and they've been here and there. William F. Buckley probably, even though he was kind of a show off because he was more interested in expressing his vocabulary and showing it off. But Kirk was one of the best and he had developed it, I think largely through trial and error by doing a lot of these events with the students for the last 10 years and who knows what his future was, but it was not going to be minor. And this whole thing, if it was caused by a transition, a trans issue that's kind of a like there should have been better reasons to shoot him.

Adam Curry (35:40)

Yeah, but that wasn't my question.

John C. Dvorak (35:44)

What was your question? I lost track of it.

Adam Curry (35:46)

Yeah, clearly. Do you consider Turning Point USA to.

John C. Dvorak (35:51)

Be a political organization? Yeah, I really do.

Adam Curry (35:54)

Have you ever seen a rally of Charlie Kirk?

John C. Dvorak (35:56)

I've watched this stuff on video, but.

Adam Curry (35:59)

He wasn't there like just shilling for Republicans or the Conservative Party.

John C. Dvorak (36:06)

Well, he wasn't shilling for anybody.

Adam Curry (36:07)

He was lecturing People lecturing them on what? On truth?

John C. Dvorak (36:12)

No, he was lecturing. Well, there's that element, but he was lecturing them on countering the liberal ideas that are put to them. They're a basis for thinking the way they do and countering it in a very effective way by. By confronting it and having public debates.

Adam Curry (36:37)

Right. So cultural. Cultural. Because that's what he talked about. All his answers were about cultural issues that he disagreed with. And as far as I can tell, what that turned into when Trump came along was, here's the guy you want to vote for. But I'm pretty sure that this was a faith organization.

John C. Dvorak (37:01)

Well, you can say that, but the fact that the Trump administration and the Trump people themselves say if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk, they wouldn't have gotten the youth vote. And Charlie Kirk was a big part of their campaign.

Adam Curry (37:12)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (37:13)

So that seems political to me, but.

Adam Curry (37:16)

That'S not what the organization was. I'm not disagreeing with you.

John C. Dvorak (37:19)

No. You asked me if what? You asked me and I answered what I answered.

Adam Curry (37:23)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (37:24)

And I know you like to see it as just purely a church type of thing.

Adam Curry (37:28)

I don't see that. No, not a church type of thing. Although the outreach they had was to faith leaders everywhere. That's really what they did. And yes, they also tried to install people everywhere in politics that had the same message, the same meaning, the same belief, for sure, which I think was a very good idea. But to call this purely political. No, no, I disagree. Here's the actress AOC telling us what really is going on. What one congresswoman was saying was yelling, Republicans said that it was Democrats fault. Democrats did this.

John C. Dvorak (38:07)

That's what we heard her say on the House floor.

News Correspondent (38:09)

I mean, people can finger point all they want. Look at the record, look at the actions of what we are doing. I don't think a single person who has dedicated their entire career to preventing gun safety legislation from getting passed in the House has any right to blame anybody else but themselves for what is happening. We have to stop this. We can stop this. And why don't we start by acknowledging that basic common sense, gun safety legislation is not taking away a gun, is not attacking the Second Amendment, but it is about ensuring guns safety of our children, of women, of people across this country, to ensure that guns and firearms do not get in the hands of people who are going to use them against human beings, period. Domestic violence is one of the highest indicators of whether a person is going to kill someone else with a gun or not. There are so many other indicators. You Know, and I think it is. Is so deeply important that when a politician tries to blame words for an action, they need to look at their action and their record. Like, enough of this. This is horrific. This is awful. And the assassination of Charlie Kirk risks an uncorking of political chaos and violence that we cannot risk risk in America. We cannot risk it.

Adam Curry (39:42)

It's amazing where she wasn't anywhere talking about the nut job who stabbed that girl, that young woman to death on the train.

John C. Dvorak (39:49)

Yeah. With a pen knife.

Adam Curry (39:51)

One of the highest indicators is not domestic violence. It's someone who's been in jail 14 times and thought voices were talking to him. From what I understand, the court records show they arrested that guy for repeatedly misusing 9 11. And in January. His January arrest record states he responded to officers during a welfare check that he believed someone gave him man made material that was inside his body, controlling what he ate, walked and talked.

John C. Dvorak (40:23)

Yeah, that's the latest.

Adam Curry (40:24)

That's an indicator of someone off the rails.

John C. Dvorak (40:27)

We do need to reopen some of these insane asylums.

Adam Curry (40:31)

Yes, that was definitely. We have one in Kerrville. Stack it. Here's Chicago. Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker, who of course blames this on Trump. My sympathy to Charlie Kirk's family and.

John C. Dvorak (40:45)

To Charlie Kirk, who obviously is, you know, become a target for somebody.

Adam Curry (40:53)

I don't know whether it's political violence.

John C. Dvorak (40:55)

Because I don't know who did it. I know they seem to have somebody in custody, but I will say that political violence unfortunately, has been ratcheting up in this country. We saw the shootings, the killings in Minnesota.

Adam Curry (41:08)

We've seen other political violence occur in other states.

John C. Dvorak (41:12)

And I would just say it's got to stop.

Adam Curry (41:16)

And I think there are people who.

John C. Dvorak (41:17)

Are fomenting it in this country. I think the President's rhetoric often foments it.

Adam Curry (41:23)

We seen the January 6th rioters who clearly, you know, have tripped a new.

John C. Dvorak (41:32)

Era of political violence.

Adam Curry (41:34)

Oh, yeah, okay. This is another one for the list. Put that guy on the list. Anyway, in conclusion, this was. This seemed way too professional to me. Neck shot from the roof, bolt action sniper rifle. No trace of the perpetrator. Some. Okay, we have a picture.

John C. Dvorak (41:53)

Boo hoo.

Adam Curry (41:55)

Now we have transgender anti fascist markings on the shell casings. It says. I only heard. Yes, but that's my point. We found that. We found the hijacker's passport. This smells. This smells of some. Not just some transgender nut job. No, that doesn't just. No, nothing about that feels right.

John C. Dvorak (42:25)

So anyway, well, the guy could have been hired.

Adam Curry (42:28)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (42:28)

I mean, the job was follow the money.

Adam Curry (42:30)

Follow the money. Exactly what that guy said.

John C. Dvorak (42:33)

Yeah. I think following the money is the only way to go. And they're going to have to. They're going to have to descend. It's. Yeah, they got to follow the money. This is being orchestrated. We've noticed this before, but it's worldwide.

Adam Curry (42:49)

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. And what you want to do is you want to take this group of people that didn't even exist 10 years ago, not the way it exists today, and you want to blame it on them. It's almost like, like most prophecy of I'll blame it all on the black women. You know, it's like hype them up and we'll blame it on them.

John C. Dvorak (43:11)

That's what it feels like, that. It's always a distinct possibility. Of course, now we have you brought up the issues or Europe is subject to this. What you think's going on with France.

Adam Curry (43:30)

Oh, well, I know what's going on with France.

John C. Dvorak (43:34)

Well, I have two clips.

Adam Curry (43:36)

What's going on with France is they are sick of their government talking about sending them to war against Russia and taking that money to arm up the country and the European Union and not give them the socialist stuff they want in their 38 hour work week. That's why they're mad.

John C. Dvorak (43:59)

France falls. 100,000 people were expected to join the.

Adam Curry (44:03)

Demonstrations, which aimed to block highways and parts of France's public infrastructure.

John C. Dvorak (44:08)

Outgoing Interior Minister Bruno Rotaillot said 80,000 security forces had been deployed across the country.

Adam Curry (44:14)

In Paris, a fire broke out in.

John C. Dvorak (44:16)

A building and several firefighters were sent to the scene. Demonstrators voiced frustration after President Macron appointed a new prime minister on Monday, the fifth since his second term began in 2022.

News Correspondent (44:27)

Mr. Macron doesn't seem to understand that this is not just a clash of heads. We have them, but that's what politics is. We want it to be said clearly. His agenda is against France, against the French, against the people. For example, look at the situation in the hospitals. They can't cope anymore. Many people are losing their jobs. I work in education. I see teachers losing their jobs, something I've never witnessed before. We can't take it anymore.

Adam Curry (44:58)

We are facing a very deep social crisis. I believe that today there is enormous anger among the people. I spoke with a nursery worker who is furious. She earns €1,600, but pays €800 in rent. She is raising her daughter alone. I've made some research about what's happening to me. I realized that our future is at stake. I had to come out to defend my future, to defend this society and.

John C. Dvorak (45:26)

To defend my homeland.

Adam Curry (45:27)

If it continues like this, I honestly hope things change before I turn 40. Is that an AI voiceover that I'm hearing there?

John C. Dvorak (45:35)

I can't tell. This protest was scheduled in July and was highly anticipated in the country. The Prime Minister decided to pull a confidence vote two days before the demonstration.

Adam Curry (45:45)

In a move to reaffirm the French.

John C. Dvorak (45:47)

People'S trust in his policies. The move backfired against him and led to the fall of the government last Monday.

Adam Curry (45:53)

So the way they start off the report is like, well, he put in a new prime minister they don't like. That's the way it sounded to me. Who did this report?

John C. Dvorak (46:03)

This was. I think this was ntd. Yeah, I think it was. I don't have it. I didn't make a note. I'm sorry. Let's play part two. However, the protest itself is dividing the French people. The original pull to demonstrate came from grassroots movements, much like the Yellow Vest movement demanding lower taxes, but was later claimed by leftist political figures, which then turned it into a nationwide blockade led by unions and leftist groups. The protest where I'm standing at the.

Adam Curry (46:32)

Moment in Paris as a main protest.

John C. Dvorak (46:34)

Has been organized under the slogan Anti Fascism and anti racism Bloc, which has little to do with the original court demonstrates. So while the protest shows a strong challenge to the government, it also reveals.

Adam Curry (46:46)

Fractures among the French people.

John C. Dvorak (46:48)

The president appointed a close ally as his new prime minister, Sebastien Le Cornu, who took office on Wednesday, facing the same challenge to reign in France's ballooning debt as his predecessor. David Vives, NTD News Paris.

Adam Curry (47:01)

Oh, that's interesting. So he said, oh, well, the leftists are doing it, which is their, their word for Democrats. But CBC had a short, very clear report on what the problem is.

News Correspondent (47:13)

Protesters and police clashed in cities across France today. Police in Montpellier used water cannons and tear gas to clear demonstrators. Protesters angry about austerity measures, obstructed highways, set fires and barred access to some schools and offices. They're part of a massive online movement called Block Everything. Demonstrators say defense policies eat up public funds that should be used for hospitals and schools. Nearly 300 protesters were arrested.

Adam Curry (47:50)

Ah, block everything. Where have I heard this before?

John C. Dvorak (47:55)

The French are kick ass when it comes to protests. I mean, I still remember some years ago during, during this show era where they farmers were perked about something and they backed up these giant combines and had these, these things that would spray manure onto the well, they've been doing.

Adam Curry (48:16)

That with the farmer protests.

John C. Dvorak (48:17)

Yeah, they spray manure under the parliament building from a distance. Well, this is quite, quite creative.

Adam Curry (48:25)

This sounds a lot like blackout the system. Have you heard of this?

John C. Dvorak (48:29)

Yeah. Which is coming on the 17th, which I think is going to be a huge dud.

Adam Curry (48:33)

Oh no. It'll be nothing but nice webpage they put together with absolutely no information about who they are. We're not asking, we're shutting it down. The largest economic blackout protest us blackoutthesystem.com and so they have. So it's speaking out against injustice. That would be minorities, unity and the power of the people. That would be Marxist socialist winning together. Well, you know what that means. Why we black out the system. We are done funding our own oppression. We are done being silent while the system exploits us.

John C. Dvorak (49:14)

They're funding it. I didn't realize they were funding it.

Adam Curry (49:17)

Divides us and works against us. Movement is peaceful, but it's powerful. We are using the greatest leverage we have. Our unity and economic power. They say they have no money but to bring the system down to its knees. No to dictatorship. No to corporate greed. No to blind obedience. No to racism and oppression and no to fascism. I. They forgot. No to Trump and no to everything.

John C. Dvorak (49:42)

America stands formed.

Adam Curry (49:44)

Yes, but there's no. There's no here. Here's what you should do. Adjust your W4. Check your taxes. Every paycheck. They take more than you owe. Then give it back without interest at tax time. Adjust your W4 so you keep more in your pocket now instead of letting them use it all year. Okay. Starve the corporations. Remove and withdraw your money from the banks. Banks lend your money to corporations that. What do they want that purchase here? Banks.

John C. Dvorak (50:16)

I'm looking at this website, by the way. It's got a lot of JavaScript. As things are flying around, it's pretty well done.

Adam Curry (50:22)

Told you. Banks lend your money to corporations that purchase politicians who make policies against the people. Regional credit unions are a better option. Oh, we've been for that. Cancel subscriptions. Anything unnecessary, cut it. Put your money back in your pockets and drive a wedge between your resources and their products. And spread the word. This is from the. This. I mean, why didn't they just put it on there? Socialist Party of America.

John C. Dvorak (50:52)

Oh, it is definitely a socialist party thing.

Adam Curry (50:54)

But there's nothing. And become a partner. There's no donation place, no donation thing. Which is odd usually, you know.

John C. Dvorak (51:04)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (51:07)

Blue on something there. So this is something out. The blackout pledge. Okay. But yeah, so that's a move and I'd say that's. That's a global socialist move.

John C. Dvorak (51:17)

Well, what's. Yeah, and it's global because right at the bottom it says 50 states participating, 28 countries.

Adam Curry (51:23)

Oh, there you go.

John C. Dvorak (51:23)

Supporting. Ah, so what's, what's, what 28 countries. What are we talking about here? Why? Well, they have a Handyman engagement activity, 100% committed team which we don't even see. Who's this team?

Adam Curry (51:34)

I don't know. We don't know who this team.

John C. Dvorak (51:36)

Is there a link to the team?

Adam Curry (51:38)

Oh, link to the wall of stolen wages. Welcome to the wall of stolen wages. We're stealing. Oh, okay. Somehow they're being stolen. I get it. A lot of unhappy people.

John C. Dvorak (51:54)

No, these people aren't unhappy. They're happy.

Adam Curry (51:58)

I don't know if they're happy. I really don't.

John C. Dvorak (52:00)

I think they're happy.

Adam Curry (52:01)

I don't think so. All right, so I think you have a couple clips as well. This Israel targeting Hamas in Qatar demanding an end to Israel's war in Gaza. Demonstrators shouted angrily at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as his vehicle made its way through a crowd north of Tel Aviv. Netanyahu making clear today nothing has changed in his mind after yesterday's stunning Israeli.

John C. Dvorak (52:30)

Strike into Qatar targeting the leadership of Hamas.

Adam Curry (52:34)

And I say to Qatar and all nations who harbor terrorism.

John C. Dvorak (52:37)

What targeting and missing in his mind.

Adam Curry (52:42)

After yesterday's stunning Israeli strike into Qatar.

John C. Dvorak (52:46)

Targeting the leadership of Hamas.

Adam Curry (52:48)

And I say to Qatar and all nations who harbor terrorists, you either expel them or you bring them to jail.

John C. Dvorak (52:55)

Justice.

Adam Curry (52:56)

Because if you don't, we will. Yesterday's strike, which caught even the United States off guard, left a number of Hamas members dead, though Hamas says its leadership survived.

John C. Dvorak (53:11)

But the attack has upended attempts at.

Adam Curry (53:14)

A ceasefire to the nearly two year war and it's reinvigorated pushback against Israel.

News Correspondent (53:21)

Europe needs to do more.

Adam Curry (53:23)

In Strasbourg, France, today, European Union Commission President Ursula von der Leyen we will.

News Correspondent (53:29)

Propose sanctions on the extremist ministers and on violent settlers. And we will also propose a partial suspension of the association agreement on trade related matters.

Adam Curry (53:43)

Straight condemnation for the strike into Qatar. Qatar, meanwhile, continued on a number of other fronts. Meanwhile, in Saudi Arabia. We reject and condemn Israel's aggressions on Qatar, said Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, adding this attack requires an Arab, Islamic and international response to confront such aggression. We stand with Qatar.

John C. Dvorak (54:11)

Very like Qatar.

Adam Curry (54:13)

Very. What's that?

John C. Dvorak (54:15)

The Saudis don't even like Qatar. So do we know that Trump didn't give the go ahead behind the scenes? Well, he said he wants plausible Deniability and has nothing to do with. This is. I didn't. Well, I don't know what this guy's. Because guy's nuts.

Adam Curry (54:31)

Well, President Trump said he did not know about it until briefly before and then told the Qataris that it was coming. That's the official word from Boots on the Ground in Doha. Local concern about this was about sovereignty, not about Hamas leadership. Nobody here cares or likes Hamas. Qatar just agreed. This is. Boots on the Ground just agreed to try to mediate, knowing Hamas is insincere in all talks. And also note that not one country has suggested pulling out of the Abraham Accords with Israel since the war began, nor do they care about the attack in Iran. So this is again from Qatar. Separately, a significant number of those reported killed in Gaza are Hamas fighters and family members. In general, there's indifference towards death. Outside the Western world, that's probably true. Maybe they look at death differently than we do. We see it as kind of crappy.

John C. Dvorak (55:35)

Well, you know, there wasn't a great. The reason Trump has to stay completely beyond plausible deniability position. He needs to be in that position because the United States is the one who set up Qatar to be the Doha. You know, where you have the Hamas can be there so we can do negotiations with them and they can be safe.

Adam Curry (55:58)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (55:58)

It looks pretty bad, but they haven't done any negotiations. So let's bomb the hell out of them or kill them while they're there. This whole thing is very suspect.

Adam Curry (56:09)

Oh, so you think Trump knew?

John C. Dvorak (56:11)

I do think he knew because I stick it with the thing that we're running Israel. They're not running us.

Adam Curry (56:17)

No, I don't think they're running. If anything, I think they. This is why I think they may have gone too far.

John C. Dvorak (56:24)

I just don't see it.

Adam Curry (56:28)

Well, let's see. This France 24 report has, I think.

News Correspondent (56:30)

Something about it, a show of solidarity from regional leaders. The President of the United Arab Emirates and Crown Prince of Jordan are in Qatar Wednesday, a day after Israel's attack. Attack on its soil. The Qatari Prime Minister said Tuesday it would not be put off in its efforts to mediate a deal between Israel and Hamas, but didn't let Israel off the hook.

John C. Dvorak (56:51)

Mediation in Qatari diplomacy is part of.

Adam Curry (56:54)

Our identity and will continue.

John C. Dvorak (56:56)

Nothing will deter us from carrying out this rule. Does the world need a clearer message than this?

Adam Curry (57:01)

Who is closing the door to peace?

John C. Dvorak (57:04)

Does the international community need a louder signal? Who is the bully in this region?

News Correspondent (57:08)

Hamas. Hamas, who were discussing the Trump administration's latest ceasefire proposal in Doha, when they were struck, said their targeting showed Israel didn't want to reach an agreement. Meanwhile, Israeli hostage family members expressed alarm that the attack sabotaged any hope for those still being held by Hamas. President Trump, meanwhile, attempted damage control, issuing a rare rebuke to Israel and calling Qatar, which is home to the largest American military base in the Middle East, a strong US Ally and friend. Arab countries are increasingly concerned about Israel's belligerence, and the attack risks undermining U.S. credibility in the region.

Adam Curry (57:42)

I think this is the final nail in the coffin of any kind of negotiations that is taking place between Israel and Hamas as far as it is mediated by Qatar. Qatar has always been the diplomatic channel of these negotiations, and it does not intend to pay a direct price by playing this role. And if that's. That is obviously the kind of consequence that also Netanyahu and Israeli government probably expect to happen.

News Correspondent (58:09)

On Wednesday, Israel warned that its enemies were not safe anywhere and that if it hadn't succeeded in killing Hamas leaders this time, it would the next.

Adam Curry (58:18)

Yeah, it just seems like it's our negotiators, it's our idea, it's our proposal. We've got a base there, and then Trump's going to go, yeah, okay, go ahead, kill him. And then they don't kill him.

John C. Dvorak (58:32)

Well, that's the thing that probably irked Trump, and Trump didn't go ahead and say that. Like I said, he's in a position of plausible denial. But no, he didn't. He's got nothing to do with it. Trump is a politician at this point in his life, and this sort of thing can go on.

Adam Curry (58:50)

So what was the end game? What was the benefit?

John C. Dvorak (58:53)

Well, we've given up. The end game is that we've given up on dealing with Hamas. Hamas is just either has to be completely wiped out or we don't. It's just an impasse. They won't negotiate with good faith, and the negotiations they do and they lie. They're just a terrible group of people. And the Palestinians support him. There's nothing. They're just going to have to let this play out. I don't know. It's beyond me. I think it's beyond Trump. It's beyond everybody. Well, for sure they kept Iran out of it. And maybe that'll. Maybe that'll help.

Adam Curry (59:31)

Yeah, maybe. You got anything?

John C. Dvorak (59:36)

I did have. I think I may have it.

Adam Curry (59:37)

Yes, you have. ICC rebuke.

John C. Dvorak (59:40)

Oh, well, this is different. This is from. This is actually a clip. This started a while ago. The ICC is going after Netanyahu, which is. There may be something here that that applies. Let's play this clip.

Adam Curry (59:52)

Israel released footage on Wednesday of terrorists fleeing as an Israeli tank approached them in the Gaza Strip. Many of them attempted to take cover in this tunnel entrance, but Israel struck the area before one of the terrorists was able to make it inside. Israel also released an infographic showing where they established security zones along the Gaza Strip border. And after Operation Gideon's Chariots, they increased that security zone. And Israel now controls about 75% of the Gaza Strip. A spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces said that Operation Gideon's Chariots enabled them to increase operations in Gaza's largest city. We will deepen the damage to Hamas in Gaza City, a stronghold of governmental and military terror. For the terrorist organization.

John C. Dvorak (60:40)

We are not waiting.

Adam Curry (60:41)

We have begun the preliminary actions.

John C. Dvorak (60:43)

And already now IDF troops are holding.

Adam Curry (60:46)

The outskirts of Gaza City. On Wednesday, Israel said they were calling up 60,000 reservists to report for duty and that they were extending current orders for 20,000 reservists who were already deployed. Meanwhile, the Israeli government gave the final approval for plans to begin construction of a new settlement east of Jerusalem. Thousands of homes are expected to be built in an area that would nearly divide the west bank into two parts. An Israeli official said the new settlement would bury the idea of a Palestinian state. A representative of the Bedouin community in the west bank said they received demolition orders for buildings in the area about a week ago. And he called on the international community to prevent Israel from establishing the new settlement in the West Bank. And in another development, the US Department of State issued further sanctions against two judges and two deputy prosecutors belonging to the International Criminal Court, which is supported by the United Nations. What a waste of money that thing is. No one cares. No one adheres to your stupid court. International Criminal Court.

John C. Dvorak (61:58)

Well, they're always hoping it takes hold.

Adam Curry (61:59)

Yeah. How long has that been? 30 years. They've been trying for forever. No one cares about it.

John C. Dvorak (62:05)

There's a second part to this.

Adam Curry (62:07)

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, quote, the court is a national security threat that has been an instrument for lawfare against the United States and for our close ally Israel. The decision comes after the court issued arrest warrants for Israeli officials over the war in the Gaza strike Strip. And Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a post on X, praised the U. S. Decision and accused the court of conducting a smear campaign against Israel and the Israel Defense Forces. On the other hand, the United nations said the sanctions, quote, undermine the foundation of international justice. International Justice. Yeah, there's international justice.

John C. Dvorak (62:48)

The international part is the problem.

Adam Curry (62:50)

Yeah, there's no international nothing. It's all men, everyone for himself at the end of the day. So I've been following.

John C. Dvorak (63:00)

That's not the plan.

Adam Curry (63:02)

No, that's not the plan. But the New World Order is not coming to fruition the way they ever wanted it to. They've been trying that all my life too. Oh, the New World Order. Here comes. Yes. And the Antichrist is arising. Yes. So I've been following this story in Germany and there was really no clips or anything on it. This is about the sudden deaths of many of the AfD Alternative for Deutschland.

John C. Dvorak (63:31)

Oh yes, this is a story. Then there's got to be some clips on this. Yes. All of a sudden. All of a sudden.

Adam Curry (63:38)

Well, all of a sudden is not entirely true, but yeah. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (63:41)

Well all of a sudden kind of over time they've been shifted, taking out these AFD guys. Yeah, well, one after the other. What do you think?

Adam Curry (63:52)

Well, let's listen to the Euro news. Verify Verifies without evidence. Verify.

News Correspondent (63:57)

As many as six candidates for the far right Alternative for Germany party have died in recent weeks ahead of local elections in the state of North Rhine Westphalia. And it's prompted unfounded suspicions on social media. On September 14, district, municipal and city councils as well as some mayors will be elected in the western German state with a reported 20,000 candidates running for office. Police have ruled out any foul play in relation to these six deaths. The causes range from serious pre existing conditions to suicide. A senior official from Alternative for Germany itself has also dismissed speculation that these deaths were in any way involved intentional. But there have also been clear attempts to sow conspiracy and suspicions. The party's leader Alice Vidal, shared a post on X where another user describes the death toll as statistically almost impossible. This theory has been amplified on social media and by controversial public figures. Here British far right activist Tommy Robinson asks what's going on on. And the billionaire owner of X, Elon Musk comments weird. Conservative publications have also misleadingly described the deaths as mysterious or unexpected. The North Rhine Westphalia Ministry of the Interior has said that candidates from other parties have also died in the electoral campaign, but that these deaths have not sparked the same unfounded suspicions. The deaths do mean that ballot papers in issued in certain constituencies as well as some mail in votes are now invalid. It also means the party will have to nominate new candidates to replace the deceased.

Adam Curry (65:42)

So my takeaway from this in the most vaccinated country in Europe, pretty much locked down like dogs forever. 20,000 candidates. You know, this is. It's not like the national parliament elections here. This is, this is all small elections all over the country. The suicide one I'd like to know more about, but you know, 20,000 people die. I'm a little less suspicious than I was.

John C. Dvorak (66:15)

Oh, so you think it's just a bunch of vax deaths?

Adam Curry (66:19)

Yeah, probably. You know, it's clickbait. It's good clickbait. Elon Musk. Weird. Hmm. Weird.

John C. Dvorak (66:26)

Weird.

Adam Curry (66:27)

Stay on X.

John C. Dvorak (66:27)

What a comment.

Adam Curry (66:28)

Stay on X. It's weird. Yes, it's very, very weird. And we also got a. This was. This was kind of fun. This is about the GPS jamming of Queen Ursula's jet, which I think we pretty much pulled apart for you on the last show. They do the same here, but yeah, they gotta leave some doubt. In the verify segment from Euronews, reports.

News Correspondent (66:51)

That European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's plane was targeted by Russian GPS jamming as she traveled to the Bulgarian city of Plovdiv on 31 August have sparked major speculation. The Financial Times first broke the story on the 1st of September, reporting that von der Leyen's plane circled Plovdiv airport for an hour using paper maps to land. We have received information from the Bulgarian authorities that they suspect that they this was due to blatant interference by Russia. But days later, on 4 September, Bulgaria's Deputy Prime Minister Grozdan Karachdov denied that the government had submitted any information about Russian interference to the European Commission. In an apparent attempt to backpedal on those initial claims. The country's Prime Minister, Rosen Zeliazkov, said there was no evidence of prolonged interference or jamming of the Jeeps GPS signal around Plovdiv airport. The Prime Minister later said that although no jamming had been detected by ground instruments, this didn't exclude the possibility of onboard fighters detecting jamming. Analysts from Flightradar24 told Euroverify that according to their data, the aircraft maintained a good GPS signal throughout the flight. Their data also contradicted the Financial Times assertion that the aircraft circled Plovdiv for an hour, as flight records reveal that the aircraft landed only a few minutes late. Although there are a plethora of doubts surrounding this incident, Moscow has intensified GPS jamming targets planes and ships since it launched its full scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, primarily targeting the area surrounding the Baltic Sea.

Adam Curry (68:31)

Right. So I play these back to back because if I don't believe one, why would I believe the other what? Horse crap. That is verify. Well, you know, there's no evidence. And the GPS data shows through Ads B that there's no evidence. But, you know, Russia's been doing this. They want war so bad. Please give us war, whatever you do.

John C. Dvorak (68:53)

And this, well, it'll straighten out the French economy.

Adam Curry (68:56)

Oh, oh, they need it for that very reason Germany had. Everything's kaput. To speak in a good German word, kaput. They've got no energy. They got no industry. They've turned the car factories into building tanks, planes and other stuff. They need this war. And which of course puts this Russian drones in Poland into a suspicious light.

News Correspondent (69:23)

And Nathan, we have more geopolitical news this morning related to the war in Ukraine. Poland has shot down drones that crossed into its territory during a Russian airstrike on Ukraine. The Polish military calling it an act of aggression, and the country's premier is asking NATO allies for support. Bloomberg Daybreak Europe anchor Stephen Carroll is in Brussels and joins us live with the details. Good morning, Stephen.

Adam Curry (69:45)

Good morning, Karen and Nathan. Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk says his country's airspace was violated by a huge number of Russian drones in the early hours of this morning. Airports were closed for several hours while citizens in the east were told to stay indoors. It's the first time the NATO member has shot down military aircraft that have strayed into its airspace since the start of Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine. The EU's foreign affairs chief, Kayakalas, says the incursion appears to be intentional. The Polish Prime Minister has asked NATO to invoke Article 4 of its treaty, which triggers consultations on a military response. Oh, no. Article four. We're DEFCON four. Oh, boy. What does Queen Ursula have to say?

News Correspondent (70:24)

We have seen a wreck, ruthless and unprecedented Violation. Violation of Poland and Europe's airspace by more than 10 Russian Shahid drones. Europe stands in full solidarity with Poland.

Adam Curry (70:37)

Yeah, war. We can do it. Come on, everybody. We got chat. We got article four. Article four. We're just one away from five. One away.

John C. Dvorak (70:49)

Which means they'll drag us our ass into the whole thing.

Adam Curry (70:52)

Well, that. That's what they want for sure.

John C. Dvorak (70:54)

I have a drones in Poland clip to see if there's anything different.

Adam Curry (70:57)

Okay. Drones in Poland. Russian drones reportedly entered Polish airspace on Wednesday. Poland says it shut them down with the backing of military aircraft from its NATO allies. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk says it's the closest the country has been to open conflict since World War II. We are most likely dealing with a large scale provocation but at the same time, we are in consultation with our allies. I am in constant contact with the NATO Secretary General. Prime Minister activated that Article 4 of NATO's treaty, under which alliance. Wow, nice word. He activated Article 4. Is there, like. Is that a button that he has to push? Hello, everybody. I am Mark Rutte. I'm activating Article 4 contact with the NATO Secretary General. Prime Minister activated Article 4 of NATO's.

Michael Letts (71:48)

Treaty, under which alliance members can demand.

Adam Curry (71:50)

Consultation with their allies. The head of NATO says the organization is still assessing the situation. A full assessment of the incident is ongoing. Ongoing. What is clear is that violation last night is not an isolated incident. Russia, meanwhile, denies the allegations. It's not isolated because of that other drone that they. That they. The Ukraine that actually said was not a Russian, that was not from Russia, that. Remember that.

John C. Dvorak (72:18)

That was just two weeks ago, right?

Adam Curry (72:19)

Yeah. Even the Ukrainians say, no, I wasn't from Russia. But. But it's ongoing. Engage Article 4. What is clear is that a violation last night is not an isolated incident. Russia, meanwhile, denies the allegations. The country's Defense Ministry issued a statement saying its drones carried out a major attack on military facilities in western Ukraine, adding that it had not planned to hit any targets in Poland. But Poland's Minister of Foreign affairs says.

Michael Letts (72:49)

He doesn't believe that, warning of possible escalation.

Adam Curry (72:52)

Even though NATO is not at war, Russian aggression strikes beyond Ukraine.

Michael Letts (72:58)

The United nations is now warning of.

Adam Curry (73:00)

A possible wider conflict. The regional impact and real risk of.

John C. Dvorak (73:05)

Expansion of this devastating conflict.

Adam Curry (73:08)

The incident comes just a few days after a meeting between President Trump and the President of Poland. Some US Troops are stationed in Poland. During the meeting, Trump was asked if the soldiers are scheduled to stay there, if anything.

John C. Dvorak (73:21)

We have.

Adam Curry (73:21)

We'll put more there if they want.

John C. Dvorak (73:23)

But they've long wanted to have a larger presence. We have some countries that have more, not too many, but no, they'll be staying in Poland. We're very much aligned with Poland. The report goes on. But wasn't Trump. The guy wanted to get all these guys out of the world. You know, we had these bases everywhere. What happened that to that.

Adam Curry (73:45)

Well, he's selling all the stuff now. That's what he's doing. I have. I have a couple of clips from our guy analyzing this.

John C. Dvorak (73:55)

Oh, your buddy?

Adam Curry (73:56)

Yes, right.

John C. Dvorak (73:57)

The Canadian guy.

Adam Curry (73:58)

The Canadian, Andrew Soulis.

News Correspondent (74:00)

What do you make of Russia's actions? Do you believe that this was intentional or as Belarus says, it was all an accident?

Andrew Soulis (74:08)

It could be a combination of the two, really. I think we have to look at what's happening strategically. The Russians are mounting the beginning of their fall offensive. They have decided that they will not be able to reach a compromise deal or a deal that is in their favor with the Ukrainians through any kind of negotiation at present. So they are now on a war path. They are now increasing their war effort against Ukraine both in the ground and in the air. And this was a continual range of long, large scale attacks against Ukraine. Now the question is, were these missiles, which sometimes do fly close to the Polish border in order to hit western Ukraine? Was this, as the Belarusians are saying, a jamming exercise? Because they would be. Ukrainians would be jamming them. So that's a possibility. We'll have to see what the investigations are. The other one, you know, if we want to speculate, is the Russians are continuing to signal to NATO and Western countries that, you know, don't think about putting boots on the ground in Ukraine because we're prepared to take you on. So that's a more aggressive interpretation. I'm not saying that's what it is, but it could be to show, look, we're going to test your air defenses in case one day we may have to fight you if you put your boots on the ground, which we've told you not to do. So this is, I think, what's going on here. We don't know the ground truth yet, but the investigations, hopefully we'll reveal that.

Adam Curry (75:30)

I find the coincidence of Ursula clearly lying about GPS jamming and now, well, the Ukrainians might have. It's just there's too much jamming talk going on, you know.

John C. Dvorak (75:45)

I agree. And the thing that might also be going on because it's doable, is that you can, if you can figure out what these signals are that are controlling the take control, take control of the drones and then drive them over to Poland and drop them in a bunch of fields. That's just basically what happened.

Adam Curry (76:04)

Yeah, well, here's here. He's talking about Article 4. We've engaged Article 4.

News Correspondent (76:09)

So tell us more then about NATO's actions moving forward. As we mentioned, Poland is on high alert. They have triggered now Article 4, which means an emergency meeting of NATO allies, which of course includes the United States, President Trump. What will happen, do you think, think next?

Andrew Soulis (76:30)

Well, this is all about firming up NATO's eastern defense of its territories. The eastern flank, which of course includes, includes Canada. Canada has the brigade in Latvia, for example, very close to all of this. But so this means that NATO is taking now whatever steps are necessary to beef up its air defenses and its ground defenses as well. But really now we're talking air defense system systems in case there are any further incursions. So it's a bit of a ramp up. This is not a panic, but this is. Article four, which has now been activated, is a consultative mechanism. It's been activated a few times before. It is a logical stepstone part of controlled escalation or counter escalation, if you will. And so we'll have to wait and see. But everything is under control right now. It's interesting. It's temperature tense, but under control.

Adam Curry (77:22)

I feel so much more comfortable when he says that everything's okay. Article four is just a zoom meeting, people. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

John C. Dvorak (77:30)

We're just gonna have to what he said. But he also said it's been implemented before. I'd like to know when.

Adam Curry (77:38)

Oh, that's a good question.

John C. Dvorak (77:40)

I mean, that's the first thing I'd ask. Oh, it's been implemented before. Under what circumstances?

Adam Curry (77:44)

I think in 2022.

John C. Dvorak (77:47)

Well, you think?

Adam Curry (77:47)

No, I'm pretty sure. 2022, article four. I'm pretty sure. Just before probably she asked your friend.

John C. Dvorak (77:55)

Your buddy there, Your error. She would probably know if you asked her. I would say the question would be, how many times has Article 4 been implemented by NATO and when.

Adam Curry (78:08)

How many times has Article 4 been implemented? Voice connection lost. Hold on.

John C. Dvorak (78:13)

Okay.

Adam Curry (78:14)

How many times has Article 4 been implemented by NATO and when.

News Correspondent (78:21)

NATO's Article 4 has been invoked? Eight times total since 1949. Here's the rundown. First in 2003 over Iraq's security concerns. Then Turkey in 2003, for Cyprus again, Turkey in 2006amid Israeli Lebanon tensions. Romania and others in 2008 after Russia's Georgia invasion. Poland in 2014 during Ukraine's crisis. Multiple allies like Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia in February 2022 post Russia's Ukraine attack. And most recently Poland yesterday, September 10, 2025, over those Russian drone incursions. Each one's basically a heads up for talks, not full on action.

Adam Curry (79:09)

What's with the breathiness?

John C. Dvorak (79:11)

Boy, that was a good report. I'm gonna give her a tag. You can moan and groan about her breathiness, but I ain't giving her 10 points for that. That. That took care of it.

Adam Curry (79:22)

But she didn't say 2022, did she? I didn't hear her.

John C. Dvorak (79:24)

Yeah, she did. Yeah, she did.

Adam Curry (79:26)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (79:26)

She had it covered. It was. It was great.

Adam Curry (79:30)

Oh, no. Oh no.

John C. Dvorak (79:31)

I'm impressed.

Adam Curry (79:32)

Oh, no. Here's the final clip. So the question is, of course, what are the options? If it was intentional, if it is.

News Correspondent (79:42)

Determined through an investigation that this was intentional, then what does NATO do? And actually, Andrew, can that be determined?

Andrew Soulis (79:53)

I'm not an expert on these systems and how they look at their guidance systems, but they have the pieces in Poland, so, so the experts will look at it and they will make some kind of determination. There's also radar, the flight plans. You know, you can say these systems, the Russians are saying the systems were not long range, they couldn't have reached Ukrainian territory. They had to be like the way they were going. So they were deflected. I mean, that's an argument. Right? So the experts will look at flight plans, they will look at the actual substance of the drones that they have found in, in Poland and try to put together a piece. So I will not stay away from the technical analysis, but on a military, political, military point of view, NATO will take this as a need to strengthen its defenses and remain on guard. But this is.

John C. Dvorak (80:44)

Strengthen its defenses by spending money.

Adam Curry (80:47)

Oh well, of course, this is, that's what it's always about.

Andrew Soulis (80:50)

So I will not stay away from the technical analysis, but on military, political, military points of view, NATO will take this as a need to strengthen its defenses and remain on guard. But, but this is not to go to war with Russia because Russia clearly at this point for sure is not going to war with Poland and Naito. So we're not at that level at all. But we are playing aggressive because of the war in Ukraine. We come back, this is all about Russia trying to defeat the Ukrainians in a substantial way to get what they want from Ukraine. Presumably, I think by 2025, the end of the year, the Russians are really putting on the pressure now. Putin is not serious all about a cease fire. And he actually made that point to Trump in Alaska. He wanted a peace settlement first before a ceasefire. That's very clear from the Russian position now. What does that mean? That means the Russians want a peace settlement on terms favorable to their objectives. And until they get then Ukrainians are saying no. So the Russians are saying, well then more war until we can convince you, the Ukrainians through military action to come our way. That's, it's, it's a, it's a knock em sock em war right now to see who prevails.

Adam Curry (82:00)

Knock em sock, Rock em sock em robots, everybody. Yeah, well, the significance of Poland is not lost on me. Historically speaking. You know, when Germany invaded Poland. Oh yeah, that started World War II in essence, of course, what would always be good is we could have a nice Little World War I assassination of some duke somewhere. They don't need much. They really don't need much. And America always enters late into these things. We weren't there at the beginning of World War I, World War II.

John C. Dvorak (82:40)

No, we were late on both.

Adam Curry (82:42)

Now, in this case, be wary of the military industrial complex. Follow that money, especially with drones. Eric Schmidt, who's controlling the drone? Who knows how to control other people's drones? This whole drone thing is, I think.

John C. Dvorak (83:00)

The drone warfare with taking control of other people's drones through espionage. You can find out what their codes are. I'm sure you could get in. I think that's a bigger threat than the drones themselves.

Adam Curry (83:17)

Yes, well, the whole drone thing is just no good.

John C. Dvorak (83:21)

But can you imagine just even one of these air shows where you have all the drones that make the designs in the sky. They're pretty spectacular. And taking control of that and then driving those 10 or 20 or 30,000 drones into the crowd.

Adam Curry (83:40)

This is what you're imagining. And also what is never really well explained is these drones, I mean, what size are they?

John C. Dvorak (83:51)

Are these Reaper drones? Yes, well, they said they were. They said there was shaheeds.

Adam Curry (83:57)

Shaheeds in the report. That's Iranian drone.

John C. Dvorak (84:03)

Yes, an Iranian drone.

Adam Curry (84:05)

So let me see what that.

John C. Dvorak (84:06)

That's what they said, right?

Adam Curry (84:07)

Well, of course, it's the.

John C. Dvorak (84:09)

We have to.

Adam Curry (84:09)

Oh, that's one of those delta wing deals. Oh, that's the shahid.

John C. Dvorak (84:16)

Oh, that's the good looking one.

Adam Curry (84:17)

It's a very handsome drone.

John C. Dvorak (84:20)

Handsome drone. And the other report I heard about these drones was that they don't know that they were armed. They said they maybe not been armed. Which would lead credence to this. The analysis that the Russians were just testing the. Which leads credence to the Russians did it on purpose and just to test the air defenses. That's a possibility.

Adam Curry (84:40)

Man, what kind, what kind of world war do you have when everyone's just using drones on each other?

John C. Dvorak (84:45)

Oh, it's not going to be, it's going to be unpleasant. Every war that there's been so far, the big ones, all of them, well.

Adam Curry (84:51)

They'Ve all been unpleasant. None of them are.

John C. Dvorak (84:53)

Well, they've all been unpleasant, but they've all, you know, they've gone from the, you know, these things that the catapults to, to crossbows to one different kinds.

Adam Curry (85:02)

Of.

John C. Dvorak (85:04)

Flanks, phalanx designed attacks, horses with stirrups. I mean, every little increase in technology, how minor it Might be always results in a war to test it out.

Adam Curry (85:22)

Exactly. There it is. Yeah, it's a show. It's basically an air show.

John C. Dvorak (85:27)

Well, it takes care of a number of problems when you get rid of of a bunch of people because you want population control because you're Dutch. And the other thing is it, it improves your economy. It gets everybody on the same page. It creates nationalism, which you need to keep your society going. It's, it's, it's a plus. It's a win win. Hmm.

Adam Curry (85:51)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (85:52)

Well, isn't it always from that's. I say that facetiously, the win win part, because it's not, not a win win at all, but it's a win win.

Adam Curry (86:03)

Aren't all wars basically banker wars? Whenever we're in financial problems globally, isn't that when the wars usually start?

John C. Dvorak (86:10)

Well, I think if you go back in history, the banker aspect was minor. I think the bankers benefit.

Adam Curry (86:18)

Modern history.

John C. Dvorak (86:18)

I mean there is a lot of discussion in the left wing. When I was as going to a left wing school at Berkeley. Yes, they would discuss The World War I is a war that we shouldn't have not gotten involved in because it was a banker's war. It was the bankers of England that got us to join them. To turn the tide of the war.

Adam Curry (86:42)

To pay for it.

John C. Dvorak (86:43)

To pay for it and help finance it. We're good at that. That and sure, that element was in play.

Adam Curry (86:52)

Right. But if you just look at the financial situation of the world where every, every all money is fake and phony. All of it, it's all fake. It's all just made up of derivatives of debt, debt, debt, debt or credit. I don't matter which way, which is whatever side you're on. I mean, how else can everybody get out of this hole? We need a war, a reset. That's your great reset right there.

John C. Dvorak (87:16)

Well, that would definitely take care of the deficit.

Adam Curry (87:19)

Yeah, sadly, but yeah.

John C. Dvorak (87:25)

Well that's a good thought.

Adam Curry (87:27)

I'll take stablecoin over war any day.

John C. Dvorak (87:31)

Yeah, well, any day it may be part of. In fact, stablecoin may be part of the mechanism that creates the war.

Adam Curry (87:38)

Very possible, but I'm hopeful it isn't.

John C. Dvorak (87:41)

Yeah, well, yeah, well, exactly.

Adam Curry (87:44)

Hey, by the way, another thing that is poorly covered. I can only get one of my favorite Indian voices to talk about it is the uprising in Nepal. Have you seen the mess that's going on there?

John C. Dvorak (87:57)

No, this one. You got me on that one.

Adam Curry (87:59)

Oh yes. Well, she pronounces it funny, but here we go.

News Correspondent (88:02)

It's Chaos in the Himalayas.

Adam Curry (88:03)

The tiny Himalayas.

John C. Dvorak (88:05)

Himalayas.

Adam Curry (88:07)

Himalayas. Chaos in the Himalayas.

News Correspondent (88:09)

It's chaos in the Himalayas. The tiny country of Nepal has been gripped by violence. The Parliament was on fire. Ministers were thrashed on the streets. The Supreme Court was torched. And the capital of Kathmandu was overrun.

John C. Dvorak (88:22)

What?

News Correspondent (88:23)

This wasn't just a protest. It was a total upheaval. The biggest exit came around noon today. Prime Minister KP Sharma only announced his resignation. He simply couldn't hang on. Oli had unleashed a crackdown on Monday. It was the worst in nepal's recent history. 19 protesters were killed, plus at least 100 were injured. And today, the backlash was evident. Thousands of protesters hit the streets of Nepal. Oli's own private residence was torched. The Prime Minister had no choice. He announced his resignation later in the day. He said he was quitting to allow a political solution to the crisis. Soon afterwards, an army helicopter was seen over his house. It ferried only away from the chaos. To where? Well, nobody knows yet. But what exactly is the root of this crisis? And how did it escalate so fast? The trigger was a social media ban. Last week, Kathmandu blocked 26 online platforms, including Instagram and Facebook. In response, thousands of young Nepalese hit the streets. Now, Nepal, as you would know, is a young country. Around 43% of the population is below 40 years of age. So the protesters were largely Gen Z.

Adam Curry (89:38)

There you go.

John C. Dvorak (89:39)

I'm looking at the headlines here. Why Gen Z has taken over the streets in Nepal. Yeah, Nepal protest. Gen Z protests in Nepal. Urgent or is organic or deep State regime change. Oh, well, fascinating.

Adam Curry (89:55)

There were a lot of professionally printed signs, so that to me was like, huh, okay. But blocking 26 social media sites, that's when people lose their crap. That's what I keep telling. If you really want to upset Americans, you know.

John C. Dvorak (90:13)

Well, that's why Trump couldn't follow through with banning TikTok.

Adam Curry (90:16)

Yes, he either killed their dogs.

John C. Dvorak (90:19)

He promised.

Adam Curry (90:20)

That's how Trump won.

John C. Dvorak (90:20)

Back in 2019, he was going to ban TikTok. Now, almost 10 years later.

Adam Curry (90:26)

No, you can't do that. You can't do that. Americans care about two things. You win the election by saying they're eating the dogs. That's how you win an election. You lose if you take away their TikTok. Or anything, for that matter. Anything. Right in time for the brand new Apple iPhones.

News Correspondent (90:46)

Apple unveiled new iPhones, AirPods and watches today. The new iPhone 17 has a faster chip, better scratch resistance, slower screen, and comes in new colors. New colors at $799. The Pro version has a new design, a better zoom and a bigger battery and it's the Most expensive at $1099. And the new brand new iPhone Air is a thinner version of the flagship iPhone. It starts at 9. $999. The new Apple Watch Series 11 will be able to alert users to possible high blood pressure. And new AirPods Pro 3 include heart rate sensing improved noise cancellation. All the new products will be available September 19th.

Adam Curry (91:32)

Yeah. Hello. 2015 called Apple. They want their new iPhones back. This company, are they, are they crazy? They promised AI for a whole year and a half. Oh, that's not coming. We're not going to do that. Well, it's thin. It's thin.

John C. Dvorak (91:49)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (91:51)

The actual weight of the, of the iPhone 17 Air is the same weight as the iPhone 11.

John C. Dvorak (91:58)

Is that right?

Adam Curry (91:59)

Yeah, they've just packed more crap and made them big. These phones are also huge. They're huge. Women can barely hold them in their hands anymore.

John C. Dvorak (92:08)

Well, the bigger they are, the easier they are to steal.

Adam Curry (92:11)

Yeah, well that's, that's true, but things are going crazy in technology. This, this.

John C. Dvorak (92:20)

How crazy are they going?

Adam Curry (92:22)

Well, I'm glad you asked. I have a two parter about Oracle.

John C. Dvorak (92:26)

And let's get a business update now.

Adam Curry (92:27)

With Charles Pellegrin, beginning with Elon Musk briefly losing his position as the world's richest person. That's right, Oliver. It was brief, but it did happen. On Wednesday, tech billionaire Larry Ellison overtook Musk in the Bloomberg Billionaires Index after Oracle business software company he has a 41% stake in, saw its shares surge after better than expected financial forecasts. At one point, those shares rose more than 40% before closing the session up almost 36% at over $328 a share. So that meant the 81 year old shot up to the top of the ranking for a bit, with a net worth much larger than the entire GDP of Nigeria this year, for instance. But this Thursday, Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, took his place back at the top of the rankings, dominated by the men that control the largest US tech firms. As you can see there, like Mark Zuckerberg At Meta in third place, Bezos @ Amazon, or Larry Page, one of the founders at Google. Worth noting that Ellison and Musk have a close relationship. Some saying Ellison was a bit of a mentor to Musk, sitting on the board at Tesla for four years and providing financial assistance for Musk to buy Twitter in 2022. They all show they also share similar politics so first of all, the robber barons. A clear list. There you go. It's all tech guys but this Oracle's share surging was mania. This is the second part of the report. So what was behind this sudden surge in Oracle's shares and in Ellison's net worth? Well, an earnings call with analysts that left all of Wall street slack jawed using words like blown away, momentous or in shock. The software company said it actually missed its earnings and revenue targets for the quarter. But it was its forecasts which really should wowed everyone. Specifically on its cloud infrastructure business. Oracle said it had signed four multibillion dollar contracts in that sector with three different customers this quarter. One of which with Chad GPT maker OpenAI to develop over 4 gigawatts of US data centers center capacity. It's predicting that its cloud business will boom over the next four years, generating $18 billion in revenue this year and reaching as you can see there, $144 billion in fiscal 2030. Nevertheless, there is some risk there, notably with the OpenAI deal. The startup might be a huge name and generating a lot of excitement, but it's not expected to generate any profit before 2029. Dude, this is pets.com level. Miss their earnings, miss the revenue.

John C. Dvorak (95:19)

It's not even close. It's way beyond Pets.com. it's not even close to PetsT. Pets.com was a short term flash in the pan interesting idea which actually probably wasn't a bad idea. I could have made money but this is ridiculous. And the thing about pushing it out to 2029 is, is the thing that's a real. It's just hilarious.

Adam Curry (95:42)

But all, I mean I can't wait.

John C. Dvorak (95:43)

Until the amount of money they're talking about.

Adam Curry (95:46)

149 billion.

John C. Dvorak (95:49)

Yeah, it we're talking about you know, Defense department levels.

Adam Curry (95:54)

Yes. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (95:57)

With no product.

Adam Curry (95:58)

It's no. And all that Ellison has ever said is, well just imagine that Larry, there's.

John C. Dvorak (96:06)

A pictures of him floating around. You know the guy's like 82 now. He's up, he's got a Cheshire cat grin. It doesn't even look like him anymore. It's like he's just got. Well I did it because Larry's thing back in the 80s when Bill Gates was the richest man in the world.

Adam Curry (96:24)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (96:25)

He was always this was known in the valley kind of if you knew ever it was in this, this milieu. Ellison was irked as hell that Bill Gates, who he thought was an idiot, was the richest man in the world. And he thought he should be the richest man in the world. And he was mocked by a lot of the locals for being. Oh, he wants to be the richest man in the world. That's all he cares about. He'll never do it because Bill Gates will always outpace him, because Gates is really smarter. And he finally made it.

Adam Curry (97:02)

So let's just go back and listen to. This is from. When was this? This is from July, when the whole Stargate thing was announced. I think this is it. Thank you, Mr. President. One of the most exciting things we're working on, again, using the tools that Sam and MAHSA are providing, is a cancer vaccine. It's very interesting. Early diet, it turns out. I'll be quick. All of our cancers. Tumors. Cancer tumors, little fragments of those tumors float around in your blood. So you can do early cancer detection. If you can do. Using a. You can do early cancer detection with a blood test and using it from. What's that lady? The blood test from. What's her name? Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes. And using AI to look at the blood test, you can find the cancers that are actually seriously threatening the person. Then beyond that. Here we go. Once we gene sequence. Once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer. And you, you can make that vaccine, that MRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically, again using AI, in about 48 hours. So imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you, and have that vaccine available in 48 hours. This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future. So he's predicting 10x what he's doing now, missing the revenue and profit targets by 2029. Does that mean we'll have 10x the cancer? Because clearly, if. If you're doing all this, people have cancer. Or is this all just in case?

John C. Dvorak (99:11)

Well, I. I'm confused because I don't know that they're doing this at all.

Adam Curry (99:16)

Well, this was. This was. This was during the Stargate launch. This was what Oracle is doing. Doing with their AI.

John C. Dvorak (99:23)

Yeah, but where's the evidence that it's actually being implemented?

Adam Curry (99:27)

None. There's none of it. And then he had this little ditty about Stargate. This is great, because we all have cancer. We'll also all be hunted down by the cops. The police will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on. This is like black mirror. And it's.

John C. Dvorak (99:55)

This is a good clip.

Adam Curry (99:57)

The cars. The cars have camera, you know, cameras on them. Everything has cameras. We have a squad car here somewhere. Yeah, but those kind of applications using AI if we can use AI and we're using AI to monitor the video. Yeah. So if that altercation location had occurred, that occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified. And where was the monitoring of Epstein's cell? With your AI, Larry, it's not people that are looking at those cameras. It's AI that's looking at the camera. No, no, no, no, no, no. Do this. It would be like a shooting. That's going to be immediately. That's going to be an event. That's Immediately an alarm is going to go off. It's going to be. And we have a shooting. We have a shooting. Have supervision. And there was every. Every police officer supervision. Supervised at all times. And the supervision will. And if there's a problem, AI will report the problem and report it to the appropriate person, whether it's the sheriff or the chief or whomever. We need to take control of the situation.

John C. Dvorak (100:59)

He's describing a bad Simpsons episode.

Adam Curry (101:02)

So we'll all be safe, but we'll all have cancer. I mean, come on, Larry, you can't have it both ways. MIT just came out with their report. The State of AI and Business 2025. We'll just take MIT. I mean, you. Would you trust an MIT report?

John C. Dvorak (101:22)

It depends on how they document it. I probably would.

Adam Curry (101:26)

Executive summary. Despite 30 to 40 billion dollar in enterprise investment into Gen AI, which I think. I'm not sure what that means anymore. This report.

John C. Dvorak (101:38)

Oh, generative. Okay.

Adam Curry (101:39)

Was it generative? Is it general making songs on Suno? Is that generative?

John C. Dvorak (101:45)

Art?

Adam Curry (101:46)

Making art. So they spent $30 billion in enterprise investments and we've got art.

John C. Dvorak (101:54)

Yeah, well, we got $30 billion worth of art for free.

Adam Curry (101:59)

$30 billion.

John C. Dvorak (102:01)

Come on. Good deal.

Adam Curry (102:03)

This report uncovers a surprising result in that 95% of organizations are getting zero return. What?

John C. Dvorak (102:11)

This was. We talked about this about three or four shows ago when jc, who's the AI expert in the family.

Adam Curry (102:18)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (102:18)

Discussed the fact that a major AI company that makes a product that is important to the AI world. They did a deep dive into this and found that 1,000 out of 1,000 examples, they could not find any benefits from using AI.

Adam Curry (102:38)

The outcomes are so starkly divided across both buyers, enterprises, mid market, small medium businesses and builders, startups, vendors, consultancies that we call it the Gen a dividend. Just 5% of integrated AI pilots were extracting millions in value, while the vast majority remain stuck with no measurable P and L impact. That's your balance sheet. This divide does not seem to be driven by model quality or regulation, but seems to be determined by approach. Tools like ChatGPT and Copilot are widely adopted. Over 80% of organizations have explored or piloted them and nearly 40% report deployment. But these tools primarily enhance individual productivity. Like making art for the no agenda show when you should be working for.

John C. Dvorak (103:29)

Your boss or asking error about the.

Adam Curry (103:32)

About World War II about articles.

John C. Dvorak (103:35)

He gave us that information. It was a benefit to the show.

Adam Curry (103:39)

Productivity right there, but no P and L performance. Meanwhile, enterprise grade systems, custom or vendor sold, are being quietly rejected. 60% of organizations evaluated such tools, but only 20% reached pilot stage and just 5% reached production. Most failed due to brittle workflows, lack of contextual learning and misalignment with day to day operations. I think that's MIT speak for it sucks. From our interview surveys and analysis of 300 public implementations, four patterns emerged that define the Gen A device. Limited disruption. Only two of eight major sectors show meaningful structural change. Enterprise Paradox. That's a good one. Big firms lead in pilot volume, but lag in scale up Investment bias. Budgets favor visible top line functions over high roi. Back office and implementation advantage. External partnerships see twice the success rate of internal builds. This is a very damning report.

John C. Dvorak (104:46)

I'd say. What was that paradox phrase?

Adam Curry (104:49)

That's a good one, isn't it? Enterprise Paradox.

John C. Dvorak (104:52)

That's. That's a show title.

Adam Curry (104:54)

I know. I'm writing it down. Enterprise Paradox. Yeah, but don't worry about it. You know, it's making cool art.

John C. Dvorak (105:03)

Yeah, but by 2029 it'll shake out.

Adam Curry (105:05)

Yeah. 10x. What's the tam, Larry? It's going to be 10x. It's going to be beautiful.

John C. Dvorak (105:11)

Larry does at the. Hey, Larry got what he really wanted. Wanted. He doesn't now. He doesn't care.

Adam Curry (105:17)

Oh, he just wants to be the richest man briefly.

John C. Dvorak (105:20)

He just wants to be the richest man in the world for a moment in time.

Adam Curry (105:24)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (105:24)

And he's achieved that. And so now we can just forget about it.

Adam Curry (105:31)

Yeah. Gen AI divide. Gen AI. Is that. Are we going to see that? Is that next? After Gen Alpha, we have Gen AI.

John C. Dvorak (105:40)

Well, it's not. It doesn't mean generation, so.

Adam Curry (105:42)

No, not yet. They'll be drinking Gatorade for the electrolytes.

John C. Dvorak (105:49)

No, using it to grow crops.

Adam Curry (105:53)

Because it has electrolytes. Exactly. Yes, I did get a boots on the ground from Carson, who is Gen Z and works at a college bookstore that sells textbooks, including digital books. A Gen Z customer came in this semester and said the digital book we sold her didn't work. It gets better. She then explained that. And I've seen this myself. She then explained that she wasn't able to log into the website that the book is hosted on. I can't remember my password, she tells me. I guess I need to make a new account now. I've heard this myself. I asked her if she'd clicked on the forgotten password button and she stared at me as if I'd just spoken in tongues. She clicks on the reset password link and stares at me again like I'm the only one who can do it. Just put your email in there so you can reset your password, I instruct. She had absolutely no concept of what I was explaining, and I had to handhold her through the entire thing. Being a member of Gen Z myself, I'm ashamed of my contemporaries for not even being able to complete a basic task such as this. However, I place the blame primarily on the parents, of course. Wow. Can we add that to this? Don't know how to research.

John C. Dvorak (107:13)

What would you call it, though? What categories go into. It's not simple enough to. It's like.

Adam Curry (107:21)

But what I have heard.

John C. Dvorak (107:23)

Just basically a version of stupid.

Adam Curry (107:26)

I have heard this. Oh, I guess I have to make a new account. I've heard this. It's like not understanding what passwords do or what they're for or how they function.

John C. Dvorak (107:38)

I really am baffled.

Adam Curry (107:40)

Yeah, how they function.

John C. Dvorak (107:43)

I mean, for one thing, you know, it's always assumed that the different generations have a different relationship with computers. Not technology in general, but just computers.

Adam Curry (107:56)

Yeah. Phones.

John C. Dvorak (107:57)

Phones.

Adam Curry (107:58)

Phones.

John C. Dvorak (107:59)

Well, phones, which are computers. In your pocket.

Adam Curry (108:04)

Not in yours.

John C. Dvorak (108:05)

Nope, it's in the drawer. And I don't need to be hooked to a computer 24 7. So they have a different relationship because there's kids. Oh, they were brought up. They never knew an era when there was no Internet. They never knew an era when there was no computers. They never knew this, they never knew that. That. Because they were, you know, there was an Internet when they were born, all this sort of thing. And so. So the zeds, which I'm going to now call them because I like it.

Adam Curry (108:34)

Zeds.

John C. Dvorak (108:34)

The zeds.

Adam Curry (108:36)

Gen zed.

John C. Dvorak (108:37)

So they're what? There's just zeds.

Adam Curry (108:39)

To me, the zeds. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (108:43)

The zeds are brought. What? Circumstance. Everything was there and they were Raised with computers, with the network, with the Internet, with networks, with WI fi, with. With. With cell phones, with everything, every single thing that's available out there, and. And they don't know how to use it.

Adam Curry (109:03)

I think in this particular case, what's happening is because of the phones. Once you sign into Apple or Google, that's it. You just click, sign up, up. You don't do a password anymore, you know? Well, you may not know this, but that's how most phones work these days. If you're on Android, you sign into your Google and everything just works. And if it's a new app or a new website, sign in with Google, click. And Apple kind of has the same thing, but not to that extent. But I think everybody has a Google and just. Oh, just sign in with Google. Just sign in with Google. They don't understand in what's happening in the background and that all your information is being sucked up by Google.

John C. Dvorak (109:47)

Taught in high school.

Adam Curry (109:48)

Oh, please.

John C. Dvorak (109:48)

Don't they teach kids in high school how to use a computer?

Adam Curry (109:51)

No. Yeah, well, sure they do. How to stick a paperclip in it to make it blow up in class in your Chromebook. That's what they're teaching them. No, no, there's no computer. No knowledge like that.

John C. Dvorak (110:05)

It's called computer literacy. They used to have a class in some schools called computer literacy.

Adam Curry (110:12)

Have you ever seen today's typical middle school teacher? They're not that littered on computers, either. Doesn't work. My computer doesn't work. How many dudes named Ben do we have who have heard this? My password doesn't work. Well, why don't you take the caps lock off? This happens all the time. Caps.

John C. Dvorak (110:35)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (110:35)

That's nine tenths of the problem right there. Caps lock. All right, I got to go back to Ursula because. Did we know this or did we not know this?

News Correspondent (110:45)

We are on the brink, if not even at the start, of another global health crisis. And as a.

Adam Curry (110:55)

Now a global health crisis. Now we know that, of course we're on the brink of a global health crisis because people aren't vaccinating anymore. But this next people piece, I'm not so sure I knew this.

News Correspondent (111:07)

Of another global health crisis. And as a. As. As a medical doctor by training, what.

Adam Curry (111:17)

Did we know this? Did we know that she's a medical doctor by training? Why did. Why did I not know this?

John C. Dvorak (111:25)

Well, I didn't know it either. Let's. Let me look her up. What's. What's.

Adam Curry (111:29)

Well, hold on a second. Error is Ursula von der Leyen A medical doctor by training.

News Correspondent (111:39)

Yes. Ursula von der Leyen trained as a medical doctor. She studied at Hanover Medical school, earned her MD in 1987, and even worked as an assistant physician before jumping into politics.

Adam Curry (111:50)

Oh, nurse. Assistant physician.

John C. Dvorak (111:54)

Well, she got her MD apparently.

Adam Curry (111:56)

Well, I was unaware. No wonder she was in the cahoots with Burla and the whole pharma industry streak. I'm not saying all doctors are like this, but wow, I didn't know this.

News Correspondent (112:08)

As a medical doctor by training, I'm appalled by the disinformation that threatens global progress on everything from measles to polio.

Adam Curry (112:19)

Ah, vaccines. It's the vaccines. Anti vaxxers. Stop it now. We can't have have that.

News Correspondent (112:31)

And this is why today I can announce that the European Union will head a new global health resilience initiative that's.

Adam Curry (112:41)

Sure to make everyone sick.

John C. Dvorak (112:44)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (112:44)

Global health resilience initiative. Oh please. Well, here is the global health initiative in the United States from Maha. Maha. Maha. From Maha RFK Jr.

News Correspondent (112:57)

The Make America Healthy Again Commission released recommendations yesterday to improve children's health. They're calling it, quote, make our children healthy again.

Adam Curry (113:07)

Okay, marketing mistake. Marketing mistake. Make our children healthy again. What's that? Mocha bohica. No. Make our children healthy again. Mocha. It's mocha. Make our children mocha. No. How about.

John C. Dvorak (113:27)

Was this official? Is this something the media dreamed of?

Adam Curry (113:29)

Oh, who knows?

News Correspondent (113:31)

The commission is planning to start new studies and improve collaboration between health agencies. Some specific things they will work on will be improving air and water quality, limiting microplastics, removing chemical additives from food, and increasing breastfeeding rates.

Adam Curry (113:47)

Oh, no.

News Correspondent (113:48)

Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is the chair of this commission.

Adam Curry (113:52)

A lot of these 128 recommendations are things that I've been dreaming about my whole life. I've been working for in congressional campaigns and presidential campaigns for other candidates. And they get into office and they say, well, we can't. We just can't do it.

News Correspondent (114:10)

Kennedy says some of the ideas came from discussions with farmers, teachers and doctors. The report also focuses on harm from vaccines, electromagnetic radiation and fluoride. But medical experts have said those ideals are not based in factual information.

Adam Curry (114:29)

It's not factual. People just go to sleep, everything's okay. Pay no attention to the guy with the gravelly voice. But this one has our attention because this is the next step. Next step. Not quite the final nail in the coffin, but it's a good start. This is about the executive order. President just signed an executive order order. Making some news here when it comes to pharmaceutical ads, the President just signed an executive order. That's an historic change in the way that pharmaceutical advertising is done on television. And the order basically reinstates or gives us now the opportunity to reinstate the 1997 rules. Prior to 1997, pharmaceutical advertising advertisers were required to put all the side effects on their ads. Many of them didn't advertise because it lengthened because of what it did to the length of the advertising and that the removal of that requirement. In 1997, FDA changed the rule to allow them to report the side effects on a website or on a telephone. They know they only have to report a few of them on television. And that triggered a proliferation of these ads. We there's only two countries in the world that allowed direct to consumer advertising by pharmaceutical companies on television. Or one of those countries, New Zealand is the other. It's had a disastrous impact on human health, on people's relationships with their doctors and really on the entire gestalt where Americans are led to believe that there's a pill for every ill and that you don't have to exercise, you don't have to pay attention to your diet. Whatever goes wrong with you, you can fix with the drug. So how much does this change the dynamic for pharmaceutical companies that have been advertising on all kinds of channels online?

John C. Dvorak (116:25)

They're going to do a lot.

Adam Curry (116:27)

They're going to have to, they're going to have to report all their side effects. In some cases I might create an advertisement that's four minutes long back. Prior to 1997, advertising in magazines had page after page after side effects reported. And so we don't know exactly what we'll do, what it will do, but we know it's going to be better for the health of Americans. Now I don't know about you, but I think this is a genius idea because it only benefits cable news. If pharmaceutical ads will be longer, that shortens the availability on a 24 hour 60 minute time clock, raising the prices to get in with any advertisement. It also informs the public about all the stuff it's going to give you, which as we know is not good. I think this is a good move.

John C. Dvorak (117:28)

I think this is just a step in the right direction.

Adam Curry (117:34)

But a good move nonetheless.

John C. Dvorak (117:37)

Yeah, it's not a bad move. But I still think what happened, they decided this memo came out. We played a bunch of clips recently and they're going after Kennedy. They did it with the hearings. They're yelling and screaming at him and then walking out Elizabeth Warren being the best example. We didn't play too many of those clips, but it was pretty ridiculous and it was part of a concerted effort. That was the salvo, this was the retort, this was the response. And I think it's always been in his back pocket. He says, you go after me, you make my life miserable. I'm gonna take away your TV advertising. So I think this is one step, but he wants to keep something in his pocket, so he still has to. The complete ban, which I think is the long term goal. And what should happen is a complete ban of these ads.

Adam Curry (118:28)

Let's hope so.

John C. Dvorak (118:30)

So I think this was just. This is a. This is political.

Adam Curry (118:33)

Well, yes, but it's. But it keeps the cable news companies in business for a bit longer.

John C. Dvorak (118:37)

Yes, I think that may have been just to assuage them. Look, you're going to make a lot of money with these extended. There's no way they're going to do 30 seconds. They can't do 30 seconds. It's at least a two minute ad, maybe longer. So you're gonna make a bunch of money, but get ready for it. You're gonna get. This is gonna get cut off eventually. They have to know that.

Adam Curry (118:57)

Meanwhile, in Sweden.

News Correspondent (118:59)

A media conference in Sweden was brought to a dramatic halt after their newly appointed health minister collapsed. Elizabeth Laan was standing next to the country's prime minister and other officials when she suddenly fell over and hit her head. Thankfully, she did return a short time later with no apparent injuries saying, this is what can happen when you have a blood sugar drop.

Adam Curry (119:21)

Yeah. Okay. Did you see?

John C. Dvorak (119:23)

I don't think so.

Adam Curry (119:24)

Did you see the video?

John C. Dvorak (119:26)

No.

Adam Curry (119:26)

Oh, man. She did. She did one of those Covid drops, like, just dropped, fell forward, the lectern went forward. She banged her head on the lectern. Just complete out. Yeah. Blood sugar dropped. Okay, sure.

John C. Dvorak (119:42)

It had been pretty abrupt.

Adam Curry (119:43)

Yeah. And my, my, my, how things change. Here's the money, honey, with the latest.

News Correspondent (119:49)

We learned this morning that the FDA is now saying that it's okay to take Ivermectin if you have Covid. I mean, Senator, I remember talking with you repeatedly during COVID about you. You're upset that you were. They were trying to cancel you because you were talking to doctors to try to find out the right ways to treat Covid without having to get too many boosters and Covid shots. My Covid was gone in a day when I took Ivermectin. And now three years later, the FDA says, oh, yeah, that's fine. Take Ivermectin. What?

Adam Curry (120:28)

What? What? What? What? Oh, money. Honey, please. She's just discovering that there's a new sheriff in town. What? How can this be? Because it was always like that.

John C. Dvorak (120:41)

It was always like that.

Adam Curry (120:42)

It was always like that. But I like this.

John C. Dvorak (120:43)

Can't have the emergency youth authorization if there's a treatment for the product or for the disease. I'm sorry? For the disease. So you can't get the U.

Adam Curry (120:52)

You said it right. You said it right. A treatment for the product.

John C. Dvorak (120:56)

Yeah, treatment for the product.

Adam Curry (120:58)

Right. The first time I did.

John C. Dvorak (120:59)

The truth has to come out. And so because of that one aspect alone, not to mention hydroxychloroquine, they had to banish it. No, no, no, you can't take. That's no good.

Adam Curry (121:14)

Yeah, and just remember, we found the passport from the terrorist right there on the ground. I mean, this, this, the world is a scam, people. Gen zers, you're being scammed all the time, except on this show. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

John C. Dvorak (121:41)

Good morning to you, Michael. Korean morning ships, sea boots to the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and the dames and knights out there in the morning.

Adam Curry (121:49)

Trolls in the troll room now. All right, what do you think the peak was on today's show?

John C. Dvorak (121:56)

Today is a Thursday. I would say that maybe 1900, 2000, 834. Yeah, well, that's because of the news. Yes, the news drives the show.

Adam Curry (122:08)

That's right. That's right. And those people have discovered that, yes, it does actually work. You can listen again. Welcome back, everybody. We're glad to have you here. But for how long? How long will we be here?

John C. Dvorak (122:22)

It depends on what happens next week. Probably nothing unless they find the shooter.

Adam Curry (122:27)

Tell you why I say this. Big news in the podcasting industry. Big, big news. Inception Point AI, a new, well funded company. CEO is Janine Wright. I think she was at Wondercraft or. Where was she? She was at some other company. She made some money, punched out. She has made a new company, Inception Point AI and they are betting on flooding the zone with audio content. All AI generated. All AI generated 5,000 podcasts. 3,000 episodes a week.

John C. Dvorak (123:12)

And, well, 5,000 podcasts. You know, the funny thing is she thinks that's a lot, but there are 4.5 million podcasts and over. What did you say? A hundred or 200,000 active podcasts.

Adam Curry (123:26)

It's about 400,000 on a monthly basis.

John C. Dvorak (123:29)

Okay. There's 400,000 on a monthly basis of people that are podcasting and continuing to podcast. Not just one offs or these casual ones like you run into with the bigger number, which is the 4.5 million total. Yeah, so there's a spit in the bucket.

Adam Curry (123:46)

Well, the thing is they are looking at the money. Money and the way the money works.

John C. Dvorak (123:54)

All she's going to do is ruin it for everybody.

Adam Curry (123:56)

Correct. She's saying, I'm doing this at a cost of $1 per episode. And so if you listen to.

John C. Dvorak (124:08)

Let's see, we're going to Wait, does that include server time? Did that include downloads and the whole. Does that include the overhead? You can't do it for $1 an episode.

Adam Curry (124:19)

Well, that depends on how popular. See, she's looking at. I don't think these podcasts will be. Well, what she says here is you.

John C. Dvorak (124:27)

Can, but yeah, if there's nobody listening and you send out one download. Yeah, I guess you could do it for a buck.

Adam Curry (124:32)

Well, she says we make money at 20 downloads a week. It seems a little listen to this is the title of this podcast is the Garden Podcast, and it's hosted by Nigel Thistledown Down. Have a listen, Nigel Thistledown, everybody.

John C. Dvorak (124:56)

What's going on, Texas?

Adam Curry (124:57)

It's bluff here. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. First we have to get two ads in a row. Let me see if I can skip.

John C. Dvorak (125:02)

You can tumbleweeds off your driveway.

Adam Curry (125:04)

This is how we're gonna make my life.

John C. Dvorak (125:06)

Whether you're looking for a couple.

Adam Curry (125:07)

Down. And I must. Garden disaster. Here we go. I possess something with intelligence.

John C. Dvorak (125:11)

Fork and inspired.

Adam Curry (125:12)

Go to Sierra class. Good evening, fellow garden survivors and connoisseurs of delightful disasters. I'm your host, Nigel Fissildown, and I must once again reveal that I am an artificial intelligence. Which proves absolutely invaluable for tonight's celebration of spectacular garden failures. You see, while I may never personally experience the crushing disappointment of watching three years of careful planning collapse in a single afternoon thunderstorm, I possess something rather remarkable. Access to centuries of documented garden disasters, meteorological catastrophes, and horticultural mishaps from around the globe. Welcome to Garden and our final episode, the Great Garden Disasters. What do you think? I think people will listen to it.

John C. Dvorak (126:00)

No, they won't.

Adam Curry (126:01)

Oh, yes, the people are already listening. They're like, well, that was a very interesting episode.

John C. Dvorak (126:05)

This is his final episode.

Adam Curry (126:07)

No, I don't. That's just the AI Glitch. It's not the final episode. Oh, and there's a knitting podcast.

John C. Dvorak (126:19)

A knitting podcast? That's not gonna make any sense.

Adam Curry (126:23)

Well, here she says the company's able to produce each episode for $1 or less, depending on length and complexity, and attach programmatic advertising to it.

John C. Dvorak (126:32)

Do they have a scrimshaw podcast?

Adam Curry (126:34)

A scrimshaw? What is scrimshaw?

John C. Dvorak (126:37)

That's where you carve little. That you take a tusk and you start carving on it, you know, while you're on the boat.

Adam Curry (126:44)

Yeah, like the white. The white whale. What is it? Tusk. Is that it?

John C. Dvorak (126:51)

White whale tusk.

Adam Curry (126:53)

No, you know what I mean?

John C. Dvorak (126:55)

Don't.

Adam Curry (126:55)

But they're pipes. Only have scrimshaw pipes.

John C. Dvorak (126:57)

Oh, yeah, scrimshaw. Yeah, it'd be something like that.

Adam Curry (127:01)

Anyway. The sound of slop. It's here. It's here.

John C. Dvorak (127:06)

Well, well, I have a. Sure. You got to play this. Now that you bring this up, there's counter programming already.

Adam Curry (127:14)

Oh, oh, here we go.

News Correspondent (127:15)

Do you ever open up social media, see a post and wonder, is this even real? You're not alone, AI slop. This mass produced, low quality content is clogging the Internet.

Adam Curry (127:27)

How about that xylophone in the back background is making me want to clog you.

News Correspondent (127:31)

You cannot trust that the news report you're seeing on TikTok is real footage. You cannot trust that the reviews you're reading of, like the sneakers you want to buy, are written by a human. The Internet becomes less useful because you can't, like, get information from it in the same way that you used to be able to. I'm Brittany Luce, and on this episode.

John C. Dvorak (127:51)

Of It's Been a Minute, I'm getting.

News Correspondent (127:53)

Into How AI Slides Flop is clogging the Internet and your brain and what you can do to get away from it. Hit the button below to listen.

John C. Dvorak (128:02)

Now.

Adam Curry (128:09)

Whoever thought that was a good idea? Yeah, that's good. That's dynamite.

John C. Dvorak (128:16)

Yeah, that's NPR for you. That's npr.

Adam Curry (128:19)

Well, here. Here's the dilemma, though. Here's the dilemma. Dilemma. So, podcast index, do we ingest these 5,000 AI slop podcasts? Do we ban them?

John C. Dvorak (128:32)

No, you can't ban them.

Adam Curry (128:33)

Well, we can. We have all the power. I have all the power.

John C. Dvorak (128:36)

You have the power to ban, but you can't. You can't do it.

Adam Curry (128:39)

Do we mark them? Should we mark them as lame?

John C. Dvorak (128:42)

No.

Adam Curry (128:42)

Or slop?

John C. Dvorak (128:44)

No.

Adam Curry (128:45)

No.

John C. Dvorak (128:46)

Why would I bother? They're just indexed. They're just, you know, you. You yourself, you can't. That would. You would ruin the whole podcast in 2.0 idea. Because the idea was freedom, freedom, freedom.

Adam Curry (128:58)

I know.

John C. Dvorak (129:00)

And then this comes out, oh, we can't have no, no more freedom.

Adam Curry (129:03)

Hold on, that's not my position. But there are many in the podcast industrial complex who are calling for this, who are calling for marking it as AI, who are calling for banning it outright. I'm not saying Dave Jones and I are very clear. As long as you've got an enclosure, you could podcast a PDF, I don't really care. But this is a real conversation. People who make their money. Yeah, with ads.

John C. Dvorak (129:34)

That's because they're under. I don't care what system you set up. There's an underbelly of people that want things censored answered.

Adam Curry (129:41)

Yes, that's correct.

John C. Dvorak (129:42)

And you yourself with the Charlie Kirk stuff at the beginning of the show where you're upset about it, you could throw that right back at him. What about Charlie Kirk? You think we should be shot because we're going to let this go in? It just. They registered as a podcast, they follow the rules, they have the enclosure, they put it in the 2.0 system. So what are you going to do about it?

Adam Curry (130:06)

Interestingly enough, the same people who want this AI stuff, Bank band, would also love to see Charlie Kirk banned. Yeah, of course it's the same people.

John C. Dvorak (130:14)

That's the point. It's the underbelly.

Adam Curry (130:16)

Same people. Yep, same people. The same people who say, tell them.

John C. Dvorak (130:20)

To set up their own podcasting 2.0 index.

Adam Curry (130:23)

The same people who say, oh, I hope Homeland Security will let me into the country for the conference. So much of that. So much of that. My own sister did that. She's in New York for a. For a wedding. Willow has an American passport, her husband doesn't. And she said, it's been a good trip. We didn't get stopped at the board by Border Patrol. Like, what. What is this? Has everybody somehow everyone's afraid that America rousts you the minute you come into the country.

John C. Dvorak (130:55)

Your own. Does she listen to the show?

Adam Curry (130:58)

No, no, no. There's not a single person in my family who listens to this show. How about you?

John C. Dvorak (131:06)

How about you? Was Don's wife.

Adam Curry (131:09)

How about you? Oh, yeah. But listen to it once. Not knowing she was a spook and she took that should have been a clue. She had notes on a piece of paper. Well, I think you guys are very patriotic. I think you're right. Fareed Zakaria is anti constitutional and very interesting program. I had no idea. I'm like, wow, Aunt Meg, thanks. I had no Idea. She ran the Russia desk. What did I. What did I know?

John C. Dvorak (131:34)

That's how good she was.

Adam Curry (131:36)

Should have been a clue. Hey, you can get these podcasts. This podcast specifically on a modern podcast app, which is connected to the podcast index, which is important because when someone deplatforms your favorite podcast, and it happens all the time, episodes, specifically episodes on Spotify, get removed all the time. Time. Certainly if you play. You know, we couldn't. We're not on Spotify because we don't. We won't sign their agreements. You know, you have to sign agreement. So they can put ads in whenever they want. If you play any music in a podcast episode that the algorithms identify as possibly copyrighted music, which, let's be honest, is 80% of all of the fair use, end of show mixes. Fair use because it's parody and relatable to the news that we are discussing.

John C. Dvorak (132:34)

Parodies are all legal.

Adam Curry (132:36)

Your episode just gets deleted, no questions asked.

John C. Dvorak (132:40)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (132:41)

And no recourse.

John C. Dvorak (132:42)

Right.

Adam Curry (132:43)

So you don't want that. You want to get a modern podcast.

John C. Dvorak (132:46)

Nobody wants that.

Adam Curry (132:47)

But people accept it. Like, oh, well, I guess they got the platform. Okay, so you want to get something from podcastapps.com and go look at the podcast index. All the information is there. There's a little apps tab there as well. You can see how it works and what's in there. And it's all on the up, up, and up. And even the AI slop will be in there without any censorship or deplatforming. And value for value, almost 18 years, almost 1800 episodes. We still get to do this every single Thursday and Sunday. It's amazing that you have allowed us to do that. We are so excited every single time to perform this as a public service for you. Time talent. Time talent and treasure is how we've kept it rolling. You hear the boots on the ground. I mean, I didn't just find the report on mit. No. We have someone who actually works in the business that, look, I got this report fresh off the press. Here it is for you. That is very valuable. And we also have $40 billion worth of artwork, machinery at our disposal. And I could not be happier about it. You put this in a new light for from me. This is great. 40 to 60 billion dollars worth of investment is made so that we can have cover art for every single show. However, the artwork for episode 1797, which is titled Death Buses, was done by a professional who knows what he's doing. And this was Sir Suge, aka Faux Diddley, who deconstructed the Austin. The new $1.2 million Austin logo to create a new no Agenda logo. Do you think this was AI deconstructed or is this. Did he do this in Photoshop? What do you think this has to.

John C. Dvorak (134:30)

Be a Photoshop job?

Adam Curry (134:31)

I think so too. It just didn't feel like AI is not.

John C. Dvorak (134:35)

I could see where you could take and cut out that Austin thing and move things around a little bit and throw up the no Agenda label and Curry Dvorak and easier. There's no way that AI could work that do that. You'd be prompting all day. What?

Adam Curry (134:54)

We're not near professor level intelligence. What?

John C. Dvorak (134:58)

There's no way.

Adam Curry (134:59)

There's no way it was good. And everyone who saw it immediately, oh, that's great. That's what that would. That's what makes a great piece of art.

John C. Dvorak (135:09)

Well, that's if they all noticed that what the logo looked like.

Adam Curry (135:13)

Well, I only. I only care about my friends and my.

John C. Dvorak (135:16)

I don't care about anybody else noticeable.

Adam Curry (135:18)

Of course. I don't care about anybody else. Now, there were other pieces of art that we looked at.

John C. Dvorak (135:26)

By the way, if Sir Suge is listening, which he probably is.

Adam Curry (135:30)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (135:30)

And he did that using AI in any way.

Adam Curry (135:34)

Yeah. Which. Which system did you use?

John C. Dvorak (135:36)

Unless he said, AI, give me a yellow background. Except for that.

Adam Curry (135:40)

Maybe that.

John C. Dvorak (135:40)

Maybe that I would like to know if AI was involved. And I. I'm absolutely convinced there's no chance.

Adam Curry (135:50)

It's really amazing what AI is doing and it's really with things that there was already. I mean, is there really a business for graphic designers anymore? I mean, really. Unless you're working for the city of Austin and you just overcharge them and you say, look, here's what I did.

John C. Dvorak (136:09)

Well, I have some friends who are professional is at the highest level and how they do it, and they've long since given up. But they gave up on the business.

Adam Curry (136:16)

That's exactly my point. They've given up on it.

John C. Dvorak (136:19)

No, but they gave up before AI.

Adam Curry (136:21)

Why did they give up?

John C. Dvorak (136:23)

Because of all the free clip art that's available and spot art that is. They're just libraries and libraries full of it. And it was too hard to compete with it. Well, in other words, that you could compete with it, but you couldn't compete at the price level levels. You couldn't get the top dollar you used to be able to get 30 years ago for your spot art.

Adam Curry (136:45)

One of our producers is a songwriter in Nashville and he sent me, he said, look, this is. This is a Song idea I had, and he sent a demo. You know, you know how demos used to sound on a cassette tape, like a demo, someone singing along, you know, kind of off key. It's okay. Maybe you got a good singer to come in. It's never really. Doesn't really sound professional, but it's okay. And then you give that to the label, and the label then takes it and gets an artist to record it, and boom, Bob's your uncle, you got some money. If it's a big name artist is great. This songwriter said, I just threw this into AI myself and listen to this and was like, completely done. Like a Nashville song. Completely done. Right. Like it came out of the studio video. I mean, that is just over. So, I mean, now you'll always have. You always have, you know, something special, someone new, someone that does something that the AI has not yet done. That's always going to happen. That will always be the case, and people will take note of it and it will be successful. But still, even then, with streaming and Spotify, there's no money in it. So we're just going to have to deal with this. Think. And now they're trying to do that with podcasters. But can anyone really replicate what we do? Is that really possible?

John C. Dvorak (138:08)

Eventually?

Adam Curry (138:10)

I don't think so.

John C. Dvorak (138:11)

Yeah, but probably the whole thing will collapse before that happens. But when I say eventually, I mean eventually. Like within a hundred years.

Adam Curry (138:21)

Oh, okay. Well, we'll go to the moon within a hundred years. Years. I'm sure that'll happen. Maybe until then. No. 40 to 60 billion dollars invested here. No. Instead, we depend on your support of the program. This is unique in podcasting. There's not a lot of people who have done this successfully, and certainly not for 18 years. And we believe it's because it's an outstanding product. There's no other way to do value for value. Or as some say, I work for tips. No, no, no, we don't. And people have supported us, and we are eternally grateful for the opportunity to do this for you and for the value you return for whatever you receive from the program. And today we have one of those examples of someone who has the means and the love for the show. Psyronimus of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia comes in once again with his mysterious number, not ending in a two, I might add. So I don't know if he had $2 bills, but today he sends me.

John C. Dvorak (139:22)

He always has $2 bills. You don't have to keep wondering.

Adam Curry (139:25)

He had six of them in this donation, $3,141.

John C. Dvorak (139:31)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (139:32)

Which we are so grateful for. And you have a note. I have on my. On my thing right here. You have a note?

John C. Dvorak (139:39)

I have a note.

Adam Curry (139:39)

In fact, I didn't get a copy of said notes. Usually I get a scanned copy of the notes.

News Correspondent (139:45)

Note.

Adam Curry (139:45)

You do, but why not today?

John C. Dvorak (139:48)

Because Jay's in Seattle.

Adam Curry (139:51)

Oh, so she didn't have the note?

John C. Dvorak (139:53)

No, I had the note.

Adam Curry (139:54)

Okay. All right. You don't have a scanner. You got printers all over the house. No scanner.

John C. Dvorak (139:59)

I have a scanner.

Adam Curry (140:00)

Well, you should have scanned this for me.

John C. Dvorak (140:03)

It's easier to write. John has note, which is three words on a memo to Jay directly.

Adam Curry (140:11)

Okay. As long as they don't have to copy down any information.

John C. Dvorak (140:13)

Good, then. Oh, you mean what did. Yeah. It's funny because this is the first time Animus asked for about eight clips. Interesting.

Adam Curry (140:24)

I doubt it.

John C. Dvorak (140:25)

He did.

Adam Curry (140:26)

No, he didn't.

John C. Dvorak (140:28)

Okay, here he goes. Too much travel again, causing delays in producership. He writes, this donation includes any cash processing fee.

Adam Curry (140:37)

Cash.

John C. Dvorak (140:39)

He added a $2 bill. This. I'm going to read this, but I can assure you that we don't do this. And I'm sorry to say, personally, I recommend not depositing cash, but adding it to your pallet of cash for future use.

Adam Curry (140:52)

No, your pallet.

John C. Dvorak (140:54)

We don't have a pallet of cash. We put it in the bank so we can split it at the end of the year, but at the same time, make sure that it's documented so the IRS doesn't say, hey, these guys are taking cash money and putting it aside. We don't do that. No. A note for travelers on the EU currency restrictions. Now. Here we go.

Adam Curry (141:14)

Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (141:16)

Take up to the limit of $10,000 and exchange US dollars cash at different currency exchanges. In time, they may develop a method to capture passport numbers across different networks. But for now, it allows you to have more than the currency limit and helps keep credit cards in your pocket, reducing future fraud risk. And offers the added benefit of annoying. Retailer. Retailer checks that can't. Retailer clerks that can't count change. So we're talking about those areas that we've talked about on the show where you can't have more than $300.

Adam Curry (141:55)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (141:56)

He says, Hell with it. Take your 10 grand across the border and then go do a bunch of. You get a lot of $300, $200, $300 here. And there's. So he says, so just.

Adam Curry (142:07)

All right, this is a little tip.

John C. Dvorak (142:09)

A little tip for the travelers. Adam yes. Your view that some of our challenges is the devil at work has merit. But recall that life is a human endeavor and there has always been profound evil in the world.

Adam Curry (142:25)

Amen. We are in total agreement.

John C. Dvorak (142:29)

Small note. Last month's shekel were from my visit to the West Bank. Yes, he sent some shekels.

Adam Curry (142:36)

He visited the West Bank. That's interesting.

John C. Dvorak (142:38)

Yeah, we're figuring it out.

Adam Curry (142:40)

We're getting close.

John C. Dvorak (142:41)

My visit to the west bank, you know, the place Isaac Jesus was born. Pbuh. Which is peace be above him. He's talking about Allah or about Muhammad. That's PBA refers to no jingles, no Khan, karma. John. 175 words.

Adam Curry (143:07)

He's well within his budget. Well done. And I believe he.

John C. Dvorak (143:11)

Although am I the only one that complains about long notes? Is that what he's implying? That's.

Adam Curry (143:18)

That's the reputation that you have. Yes, that's your reputation. It doesn't mean it's correct, but reputation is just a fact. You can't deal with it any other way. You gotta. You gotta rep and that's it. So you might as well say it.

John C. Dvorak (143:33)

Okay, say what? If.

Adam Curry (143:36)

Well, if you're being accused of the crime, you might as well commit the crime and tell people.

John C. Dvorak (143:41)

It's not a crime to bitch about the people writing notes that are too long for the show.

Adam Curry (143:46)

No. Exactly.

John C. Dvorak (143:46)

What kind of a crime is that to complain? Now you can't complain. It's a crime.

Adam Curry (143:51)

Figure of speech.

John C. Dvorak (143:53)

Mm. Mm.

Adam Curry (143:56)

Thank you. Sironomous. Now he receives a secretary generalship. I believe.

John C. Dvorak (144:02)

He never wants anything.

Adam Curry (144:04)

Well, but it's it. He got on the list. Okay, let me just check. Because Jay just puts people on the list. She just wants to send stuff out. Let me see.

John C. Dvorak (144:13)

But no, she doesn't.

Adam Curry (144:14)

She does. She's like, I can't wait to send. Yeah, she put him on the list.

John C. Dvorak (144:17)

I don't know what I'm going to do. So I got it. The package in the middle mail. It doesn't have anybody's name on it. I have no idea where it came from. It's from one of those places, that printing operation, the big one, Print for Less or whatever it's called. And it's two envelopes. And each one of them had a. A very elaborate set of small, no agenda stickers.

Adam Curry (144:42)

Oh, that's cool.

John C. Dvorak (144:44)

Little silver stickers. They're about very small, like half inch inch round stickers with a logo on them and no agenda. And I got two sheets and two different envelopes within the package. I would like to Know who sent those to me and what they want us to use them for?

Adam Curry (145:00)

Are they handsome stickers?

John C. Dvorak (145:02)

Yeah, they're cute. It's pretty because it's a silver, little silver sticker.

Adam Curry (145:06)

Oh, I'll take a couple, put them on some trucks out here.

John C. Dvorak (145:12)

No, it's too small.

Adam Curry (145:13)

Oh, okay.

John C. Dvorak (145:14)

We're talking little bitty things. They're like on a sheet of paper at the bottom maybe, or. Or it's a stamp for the back of an envelope there. No, this wouldn't do any good on it.

Adam Curry (145:23)

On your laptop cover. Can we put on the laptop cover?

John C. Dvorak (145:25)

No, it's too small for that. It's their small little stamp size stickers.

Adam Curry (145:30)

Sir Scoffy is up next from Charlotte, North Carolina, and he comes in with 999-9999-9999. Matching donations alert in the morning to Alexander Wenta, Sir Sam and Charlotte in San Francisco for their donations of 333.33 to show 1797. Thank you for your courage. All six donations have been matched. But wait, there's more. A seventh was matched because Charlotte in San Francisco not only mentioned the matching donation offer, but did so on a handwritten note. That's worthy of a match to the best podcast in the universe, Goat Karma, for the seven producers who made the matching donations possible. Love and light from Sir Scobie in Charlotte, North Carolina. And this concludes the matching donations and we thank you all very much. Producers who match and of course, Sir Scobie. Thank you for your courage.

News Correspondent (146:23)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (146:26)

That was nice of him to give that last extra one.

Adam Curry (146:29)

That's very kind.

John C. Dvorak (146:30)

Yes, sir, your honest mechanic. And he is in Eastleigh, South Carolina.

Adam Curry (146:40)

Easley. Yep, Easley.

John C. Dvorak (146:41)

Easily, easily, easily. There is also known as Kevin Fusco. 52636 itm. Fellas, this is sir, your honest mechanic. I'm back. Probably a month back in episode or I'm back. This is probably a month back in episode. So you've probably. Or they spell it right. That's time. Already talked about this. Okay. One of my employees came to me and said our insurance sucks. The doctor prescribed my wife. Zepp bound for her sleep.

Adam Curry (147:22)

No, no.

John C. Dvorak (147:25)

He said the FDI just recently approved it. I had a great laugh when he said that. And I thought it's only a matter of time before these are good for erectile dysfunction like Adam keeps predicting. Ding.

Adam Curry (147:39)

It's coming.

John C. Dvorak (147:41)

I thought it already happened.

Adam Curry (147:42)

Well, thank you.

John C. Dvorak (147:43)

No jingles, just karma for everyone. Thank you, Kevin.

Adam Curry (147:47)

Yes, they kind of said it, but they haven't actually advertised it as erectile dysfunction. So not quite, but we're getting close.

News Correspondent (147:57)

You've got karma.

Adam Curry (148:01)

Matt Stevens. Nahunta. Nahunta. I'm probably mispronouncing that. In George, Georgia. Nahunta. 350. 350. 93. That's 333 plus 33 fees. Plus fees. Thank you both for your work in ceremony of Charlie Kirk. Please knight me Sir Matthew of the Lower. Oh, memory in memory of Charlie Kirk. Please knight me Sir Matthew of the lower coastal plain. Matt Stevens in Nahunta, Georgia. So he'll be the Sir Matthew Matthew of the lower coastal plains today. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it.

John C. Dvorak (148:38)

You can get the next one after I read Sir Joseph's note. And he's in Ewing, New Jersey. This is the other note that came in.

Adam Curry (148:48)

Well, there's two notes here. Two notes in a row. And I don't have. I only have one note, so I don't know what note you're about to read.

John C. Dvorak (148:54)

Oh, wait, this is. No, this is Sir Joseph's. I have the note. The sheet from. I don't know where that other note is. Is. I have. No. Yeah, I think that's the one that attaches the PDF.

Adam Curry (149:04)

I have Beth. Beth Elliott or Chad Elliott. What do I have? I have Beth Elliott. That's the one I have.

John C. Dvorak (149:09)

Yeah, that's. That's the note.

Adam Curry (149:11)

So you have Sir Joe. No, this. But there's Sir Joseph.

John C. Dvorak (149:13)

Yeah, Sir Joseph in my. Right.

Adam Curry (149:14)

In my poem. Well, why don't I just read this one then and you can do that. Which is what you originally.

John C. Dvorak (149:19)

Because we're. Then we're skipping Sir Lucas.

Adam Curry (149:21)

Sir Luca. Sir Luca.

John C. Dvorak (149:25)

Why don't you read Sir Luca and then we'll go from there.

Adam Curry (149:27)

From Switzerland. There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who use the metric system and those who still use body parts and kitchen utensils as units of measurement. And fake the moon landings.

John C. Dvorak (149:38)

Yes, this would be typical of a Swiss guy.

Adam Curry (149:42)

And they faked the moon landings. Please, I would appreciate if you gave a cancer karma. An F. Cancer karma, I'm sure for my father who is fighting a prostate cancer comeback with Ivermectin, a dog dewormer and supplement. Yes, we're familiar with this and very good results I've heard. Please keep us informed in October we will know if it worked. Lastly, happy 51st birthday to me on September 11th. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Says Sir Luca.

News Correspondent (150:12)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (150:16)

So this is Sir Joseph of Ewing, New Jersey. He came with 333. And he was plugging something on his check, but I don't have a check here, but he says. And he also has a funny letterhead of Gumbo Goombas. Anyway, he's a character, this Sir Joseph. He's the Lord of the central Jersey swamp. If someone told me that I would someday donate $1,000 to a podcast, I would have told them that they needed their head examined. Well, I need my head examined because this is the third donation. 333.34 puts me into the knighthood category. I couldn't possibly ask you to kick in the penny considering. Oh, he added it. How much bitching John does about the. About the lackluster donations of late. You know, I complain a lot. Please knight me, Sir Joseph, Lord of the Centro Jersey swamps. And if you would. If you'd be so kind to provide. By the way, this is in four point type, so I'm struggling. If you'd provide some gumbo parmesan and El bata. El Bata beer.

Adam Curry (151:39)

See, this is exactly why you need to scan the notes, because now I have to go into the system. System. I've got to go into the show notes. I've got to say. Can you repeat that again?

John C. Dvorak (151:50)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (151:51)

What is it?

John C. Dvorak (151:52)

Yeah, well, I. I would have scanned the note if I'd known this was in there, but I didn't read the note. Oh, please mention my band, the Gumbo Goombas, who can be found on my digital platform, and I will be able to deduct the offering as an advertising expense on my taxes.

Adam Curry (152:10)

Okay, okay.

John C. Dvorak (152:11)

Hey, you know, it's between you and the irs, but it sounds like an ad to me for the gumb. I said it already twice. Gumbo goombas. That's 3 p. S. I recently celebrated my 68. Ah, but she's not on the birthday list.

Adam Curry (152:24)

No. Another thing I got to add.

John C. Dvorak (152:26)

Okay, well, gee, I'm sorry. You're going to have to do some work. I'm struggling trying to read this note. My 68 revolution. That was my fault because normally when I send these to Jay when she's floating around someplace else, I will put the birthday call out on this. It would have been on the thing and it would have been taken care of, but that was my fault, Sir Joseph.

Adam Curry (152:48)

And he turned 68. When.

John C. Dvorak (152:52)

I'm looking, he doesn't say, and.

Adam Curry (152:55)

Can you again give me what he wants for the roundtable? Because you still didn't tell me.

John C. Dvorak (152:59)

Yeah, he wants. For the roundtable, he wants gumball parmesan, which I have no idea what that is. And elata. Elata A L. Oh, I'm sorry. El bata. A L, B, I T, A beer.

Adam Curry (153:17)

Elbachia Albita. A L, B I T, A. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (153:22)

That'S what it says.

Adam Curry (153:23)

A L, B I T, A. Albita.

John C. Dvorak (153:29)

Me. Look closer.

Adam Curry (153:31)

Yeah, okay, that's not al bata, it's albita.

John C. Dvorak (153:38)

Well, again, it's at four point type, so.

Adam Curry (153:40)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (153:41)

When you get in your 70s, even with the cataract operation, you can't read four point type. I recently celebrated my six day revolution. He goes on about that. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Soon to be Joseph, Lord of the Central Jersey swamps.

Adam Curry (153:56)

All right, we've got it all. Then we have Beth Elliott who says in the morning, John and Adam, a written note and this I also have. Not just a note, but I have a, for some reason, a scan of the check. Pretty check. Assuming this arrives in time, can you please read this on Thursday, September 11th. Show switcheroo for my smoking hot hubby of 31 years, Chad, who hit me in the mouth during COVID Thank you for that and congrats. You are no longer a douchebag.

John C. Dvorak (154:28)

You've been de douch.

Adam Curry (154:30)

Happy anniversary, sexy ass. She says for jingles may I have their eating the dogs. I got hairy legs and little girl. Yay. Thank you gentlemen for your courage and in all uppercase, for your attention to this matter. Yours truly, Beth P. S. Chad says I listen to y' all too much. They're eating the dogs. I got hairy legs. Yay.

John C. Dvorak (154:53)

All right, now we have Trickell lavender blossoms. Our Buddy in Northville, MI2772 Good to hear. And he said says even though this is not true, I think it's about time I show my appreciation for all you do. He does all it constantly. Thank you. Happy birthday, Adam. Which is a little late, but there it is. And ripck. Sir Cal.

Adam Curry (155:18)

Sir Cal, you've been around for a long time and have supported us a lot, so. But thank you very much. No.

John C. Dvorak (155:23)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (155:24)

Hey Eli, the coffee guy is about to round it out. We have a couple more freeze. From Bensonville, Illinois 20911. There it is. Here's always with the date nine. Normally I would try to write something witty along with a plug for gigawatt coffee. But I was in the middle of drafting my donation note when I received a text that Charlie Kirk had been shot. Although I didn't listen to him much. I just want to express my sorrow. Any political killing tears at the Fabric of our nation. I mourn the death of Kirk. I also mourn the last 25 years, since the fateful morning in September that sent planes crashing into buildings. I missed the world before that. Future generations will never. No, I'm concerned of what they shall inherit. I'm sure this event and the following media circus will help usher in new security measures and even greater loss of freedoms. Thank you for pointing out the BS Says Eli the coffee guy.

John C. Dvorak (156:15)

Linda Loop Atkins up, and she's in Lakewood, Colorado, 200 bucks and wants jobs. Karma. And she says, worried about AI for resume that gets results. Tell your. Tells your unique story and highlights the value you bring. Go to Imagemakers, Inc. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. And then I want to continue with the anonymous.

Adam Curry (156:38)

Winning. Winning resumes. And she needs.

John C. Dvorak (156:40)

What did I say?

Adam Curry (156:42)

Just you just. You just. Actually, you phoned it in.

John C. Dvorak (156:45)

I. Yeah, I probably did phone it in. You should have read it.

Adam Curry (156:49)

Jobs, Karma. Worried about AI For a resume that gets results, tells your unique story, and highlights the value you bring. Go to ImageMakers, Inc.com. that's ImageMakers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou.com. duchess of Jobs and writer of winning resumes.

News Correspondent (157:03)

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (157:10)

Hey, at least we're honest.

John C. Dvorak (157:12)

So you do this. So you. So will you do this? Since you're so damn good, can you do the voiceovers for Mimi's ads as she runs for city council in Port Angeles?

Adam Curry (157:22)

Oh, I'd be delighted to.

John C. Dvorak (157:23)

I told her exactly that. I said. She. I said, I don't even have to ask him. Have you asked him? Have you asked him? I said, no, I haven't asked him. He'll. You tell. Just do it. He's an egomaniac. He'd be glad to do it.

Adam Curry (157:35)

Oh, What? Oh, hold on. I just. Mimi, I'm sorry. I was gonna do it until John called me an egomaniac. I'm no longer doing it. Nope. You can blame John. Nope, that's it. I'm done. Nope. Sorry. It's all over.

John C. Dvorak (157:49)

So anonymous.

Adam Curry (157:50)

And by the way, so apparently she and one of our producers did a meetup promo for the. For the meetup in Oakland.

John C. Dvorak (158:02)

No, no, that's. They're. No, they're doing a meetup in Port Angeles.

Adam Curry (158:07)

Port Angeles. But they're doing a meetup. So they send me a meetup promo with Mimi, but they send me an Audacity file. Like, I can't Open this. I mean, I could.

John C. Dvorak (158:18)

Oh, they didn't send an Audacity.

Adam Curry (158:21)

Yes, they did.

John C. Dvorak (158:21)

Oh, that's embarrassing.

Adam Curry (158:23)

The Audacity project file.

John C. Dvorak (158:25)

While she says to me, here we.

Adam Curry (158:29)

Go, here we go.

John C. Dvorak (158:32)

Yeah, we decided. I forget the guy's name now.

Adam Curry (158:35)

Does your wife talk like that?

John C. Dvorak (158:39)

I agreed to. I agreed to make her voice talking like this, which is hard for me to do, so I don't do it. But she said that they had. They. They've got the. That device.

Adam Curry (158:51)

You have the road.

John C. Dvorak (158:54)

And they recorded it, and they said, how do we get it off of here? And they couldn't figure out how to get. I said, why don't you just take the memory off? We finally worked it out.

Adam Curry (159:02)

Send me the memory card.

John C. Dvorak (159:04)

So they finally worked it out. They didn't do the memory. The easiest thing to do is take the memory card, stick it in a computer, boom, you're done. So they took it, and I guess they put it in Audacity, and then they sent you the Audacity. They went to say, with Audacity, if you go to Save Save Project, it saves it as this crazy, crazy format that is not audio. It's just their format.

Adam Curry (159:26)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (159:27)

Instead of exporting it. They didn't know to export it.

Adam Curry (159:30)

Yes. Is this the. The podcast studio they're running up there?

John C. Dvorak (159:33)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they'll get it down.

Adam Curry (159:36)

Well, and to be honest, I got it and I. I have Audacity. But then it opened up, and first of all, Audacity, which is now a commercial company, gives you all kinds of great offers, and then it's says, yeah, this is no longer compatible with this version of Audacity. It was close to Showtime, like, okay, I'm sorry, you got to send me an MP3. And so it's not going to be. When is the. When is the meetup?

John C. Dvorak (159:56)

It's next set is this coming Saturday.

Adam Curry (159:58)

Oh, crap. So we can't even play their. Their jingle. They're. They're pro.

John C. Dvorak (160:02)

Well, you know, you have to go to. Is the source. They screwed it up. And I said, they didn't export the file. Instead, they sent you that. And Audacity being what it is, because I've noticed this too.

Adam Curry (160:14)

It's horrible.

John C. Dvorak (160:15)

It's changed so much over the last couple of iterations.

Adam Curry (160:19)

It's because it became a commercial company all of a sudden. From open source to someone buying it somehow.

John C. Dvorak (160:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (160:26)

Why doesn't that happen to Podcast Index? For a couple million, we can go from orphans, open source to be bought. Yeah, we got no problem get me bought.

John C. Dvorak (160:34)

I know. I know your style. Yeah, but okay, so. Okay, they're having. They're having the meetup coincident with the Oakland meetup, which I'll be at. And. But it'll be listed in the. Port Angeles is having a meet up on Saturday and there it's gonna. And Jay will be up there.

Adam Curry (160:52)

Oh, nice. Oh, that's.

John C. Dvorak (160:53)

And Brennan. So they'll have to be up there. They would normally meet the open.

Adam Curry (160:57)

Brennan, the. The. The deadbeat with no job.

John C. Dvorak (161:00)

That guy, he still gets checks. So he, he'll be there with Jay and they'll have a. I don't know where they're doing anybody else listed. And I'll be at the Oakland which is going to be at the pizza place in Oakland again. Violetas.

Adam Curry (161:16)

So the producers are saying post the file to the chat and we'll take care of it for you.

John C. Dvorak (161:24)

And I'm like, they will?

Adam Curry (161:26)

Yeah, but I think it's like raw audio, like 15 gigs or something for these things.

John C. Dvorak (161:34)

You know what I mean?

Adam Curry (161:35)

It sends something weird. Send something weird. Could be wrong.

John C. Dvorak (161:39)

Let's see if you can post it. Anyway. Last donation is from Anonymous. I wanted to mention this game is his check is $200. The person was adamant about not mentioning who it is, but did say that she now just discovered. Just discovered you can send in a check and couldn't do anything. She didn't want to do anything else and realized that this is great. I can send in money now because I didn't realize. Realize how. How easy it is to send in a check.

Adam Curry (162:10)

Oh, it's so Easy to box.

John C. Dvorak (162:12)

339 El Cerrito, CA 94530. It's just beyond me. While everybody doesn't send in a check, it costs 15 cents to process.

Adam Curry (162:22)

Yeah, I can't post it to the chat because it's 31 megs. I can only upload 15 megs. I'm sorry, people. Sorry.

John C. Dvorak (162:34)

All right. Wow.

Adam Curry (162:35)

Yeah, There we go. Okay. Was that it? Was that the last.

John C. Dvorak (162:41)

That was it. We're done.

Adam Curry (162:42)

All right, thank you. Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1798. Two more to go until the big 1800. Will they survive 18 years? The best podcast in the universe. That's up to you. If you want us to continue with this open source, open funding, completely transparent system we have put up where we. We thank everybody who supports us $50 and above. And of course, these executive and associate executive producers, they receive these credits, which are official show business credits and they received Them because they came in with 200 or $300. But any amount matters to us. Anything that you want to send back as value is value for value for us. And we'll be thanking $50 and above in our second segment. Thanks again.

John C. Dvorak (163:26)

I formed formula is this.

Adam Curry (163:28)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up slave.

John C. Dvorak (163:42)

Shut up slave.

Adam Curry (163:44)

I just had an idea here, let me see. I can probably post this. Yeah, I got an idea here. I think I can get this on a server and get them to it. Oh yeah, I got everything, baby. Let me see if this works.

John C. Dvorak (163:58)

You're going to post it somewhere and have them pick it up.

Adam Curry (164:00)

Yep, yep, here it is. It's Elliot. It's a, it's an AUP3 file.

John C. Dvorak (164:06)

AUP3 because I don't even know what that. I've never even seen that. All the files I have that are backed up like that are AUPs.

Adam Curry (164:13)

Well, this says AUP3 so they exported as something special.

John C. Dvorak (164:20)

Good luck, boy.

Adam Curry (164:22)

Yeah, well, the chat has it. So the trolls will go to work. I mean it's, it really just. I ran out of time first. They, everyone always assumes, well, don't you have a Google account connected to automatcurry.com like no, no, I have a Google account which is not automaticury.com and so I always have to request access which usually, you know, an hour later people go like, oh, okay, here you go, here's your access. Oh, I'm sorry, I got the Axos and. And then they sent it back and it was like, okay. Anyway, the, the trolls are going, we.

John C. Dvorak (164:58)

Might get it done. We need to get it done later in the show.

Adam Curry (165:02)

The trolls are going to do it. They're going to do it.

John C. Dvorak (165:04)

Well, we'll see. There's a lot of trolls today and they're, they're bored.

Adam Curry (165:07)

We have great trolls now. Speaking of one of the best trolls in the universe. Wow. This came in this morning on the transom. Bye bye Mandelson. Breaking news this hour. Let's go live to Westminster. Our political correspondent, Serena Barker Singh. And Serena, we're hearing in the last few moments that Peter Mandelson has been asked to withdraw as ambassador by the Prime Minister.

News Correspondent (165:28)

Yes, exactly. Withdraw from being the ambassador, or essentially he's been sacked by the Prime Minister. And you heard from the Foreign Minister there, Stephen Doughty, who was drawn out by the Conservatives. Urgent questions today to make that announcement. It's not a surprise. We were talking this morning about how long could Peter Mandelson sustain this drip feed of information these Very embarrassing photos that one of him in a bathrobe at one of Jeffrey Epstein's residencies. But it seems to be these emails that are the most damning. And the Foreign Office has said these are the new information that emerged. This sacking has gone down, whether he was told personally, whether he was summoned in, but it was clearly becoming untenable that Peter Mandelson could sustain his position. And remember, the government has a commitment to women and girls. And halving violence against women and girls was optically not looking very good. But it seems like those emails were the most damning things that. And that's why the Prime Minister has said today, via his foreign Minister, that the U.S. ambassador now has been sacked.

Adam Curry (166:45)

So these emails, as I was reading through them, it's like, haven't we seen these? It's been around for a long time.

John C. Dvorak (166:55)

This whole thing is blowed up again. And they had the latest Trump no to his birthday party or something.

Adam Curry (167:04)

Oh, yes.

John C. Dvorak (167:05)

Which I thought was actually pretty funny.

Adam Curry (167:07)

Well, the thing that is poorly reported on is it looks like a script, a script with a voiceover, and it literally looks like a side from a script. And no one ever comments on that. I'm not sure. What script was it from? Was it from a TV show? A reality show? Was it from a movie? Why is it a script at the top? It has voice, voiceover. If you really look at it, it's very confusing. And of course, we know it's a Democrat hoax, everybody. This is the birthday message allegedly crafted by Donald Trump for Jeffrey Epstein in 2003. We have certain things in common.

John C. Dvorak (167:47)

It says inside a drawing of a naked female form. May every day be another wonderful secret.

Adam Curry (167:53)

It adds above what appears to be Trump's signature. You know, it actually, that drawing, it looks like, remember as kids, we would draw that and then we'd cover up a part of it. And people like, oh, man, I can't believe you drew that. And you take your hands off and it was actually a horse's head. Do you remember that joke? Remember that joke we used to play?

John C. Dvorak (168:12)

No, that was a joke that I've never heard.

Adam Curry (168:14)

It looks a bit like that signature.

John C. Dvorak (168:16)

I don't even know what they're talking about now. Somebody could have written a letter and used my name, but that's happened a lot. I'm not a drawing person. I don't do drawings of women. That I can tell you.

Adam Curry (168:27)

Despite White House denials, the signature appears.

John C. Dvorak (168:29)

To match Trump's on other letters sent.

Adam Curry (168:31)

During the same time period.

News Correspondent (168:33)

The President did not write this letter. He did not sign this letter.

Adam Curry (168:36)

The drawing was contained in a birthday book prepared for Epstein's 50th birthday, before he was convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor. The book also included a message allegedly from former US President Bill Clinton and this photo that appears to be a.

John C. Dvorak (168:52)

Joke about Epstein selling a woman to.

Adam Curry (168:54)

A Trump for $22,000.

John C. Dvorak (168:56)

This is a Democrat hoax that never ends.

Adam Curry (169:00)

The material was obtained by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, along with other records from Epstein's estate, part of a broader push for the release of the full Epstein files after the Trump administration backtracked on a promise to make them public. If Republicans don't want to engage in a cover up of pedophilia and this.

John C. Dvorak (169:19)

Pedophilia ring, they should go sign this discharge petition. Trump and his allies keep trying to.

Adam Curry (169:24)

Change the channel, at one point even.

John C. Dvorak (169:27)

Claiming Trump was secretly working against his.

Adam Curry (169:29)

Longtime friend, he was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down.

News Correspondent (169:34)

I can affirm that is not true.

John C. Dvorak (169:36)

The shifting explanations and increasingly damning evidence.

Adam Curry (169:40)

Have done little to quell the questions about Trump's involvement with the notorious sex offender. A storm story that seems unlikely to go away anytime soon. Well, so that's the rundown. You have the latest. The check is pretty funny. I, somehow I think I'd seen that. Am I just imagining that we've seen all these things before?

John C. Dvorak (169:59)

Well, I know you haven't seen the Clinton cartoon.

Adam Curry (170:03)

Oh, no, that's new.

John C. Dvorak (170:04)

Yeah, well, I, I, I, I don't remember this, this drawing being that. But I've, maybe, maybe I'm, it's, maybe there's a couple of them.

Adam Curry (170:15)

No, I remember the check, the picture with the check. I remember that somehow.

John C. Dvorak (170:19)

Anyway, I don't remember that.

Adam Curry (170:21)

An unlikely response from an unlikely quote, unquote ally. Senator John Fetterman was asked about this.

News Correspondent (170:29)

Senator, on the findings from the House Oversight Committee on this alleged birthday book, this note that the President allegedly wrote to Jeffrey Epstein for his birthday, do you have any comment on that? And the drawing that goes with that.

Adam Curry (170:41)

Again, I don't think the Epstein thing.

Andrew Soulis (170:43)

Is the big thing.

Adam Curry (170:44)

I don't know. Release it.

John C. Dvorak (170:45)

I don't care.

Adam Curry (170:46)

But it's strange. I mean, the Democrats, we've had that for four years. We didn't, I don't know why we didn't do that. So for now, release it. But I don't think that's going to.

John C. Dvorak (170:55)

You know, it's this idea that suddenly.

Adam Curry (170:57)

That'S going to be the one thing that's going to, you know, take out Trump. You know, I don't believe that that was.

John C. Dvorak (171:02)

That is.

Adam Curry (171:03)

He'll still be here. I don't think it's just a distraction, honestly. But go ahead and release whatever that is. But it's not important. Fetterman. He's all in with the. With the President on this. Yeah, it's just a distraction. It's quite the distraction.

John C. Dvorak (171:21)

Yeah. I don't know why. Well, again, if I go back to my own thesis, it's meant to be a distraction. It's meant to be. Well, they forced me to do it, and here it is. And then some people get burned and Trump can be, again, so far, blameless. I. I said not to do it. I'm sorry, boys, that this happened to you, but this is nothing I had any control over. Bl. This is a. Democrats. It's them.

Adam Curry (171:44)

Well, so Mandelson got burned and this is just, what, a week before President Trump goes to the UK for a state visit. That's rather embarrassing. Yeah, Mandelson. Do you see the pictures? He's in his bathrobe and he's like, hey, my best friend. My goodness.

John C. Dvorak (172:04)

Notorious for getting burned like this. Yeah, there's always a sex scandal there. Yeah.

Adam Curry (172:09)

What was that dude's name?

John C. Dvorak (172:11)

Oh, I don't. I can almost come up with Dino. Who would know?

Adam Curry (172:17)

It's amazing how you forget this guy. The necrophiliac. Remember that guy?

John C. Dvorak (172:22)

Ugh.

Adam Curry (172:23)

Something he. Jim. Jim. Jim will fix it.

John C. Dvorak (172:27)

I don't remember that.

Adam Curry (172:28)

Yeah, yeah, no, of course you do. The guy with a hat.

John C. Dvorak (172:31)

Ask Irvine there what she thinks. Irvine.

Adam Curry (172:37)

Let's ask Irvine. Hey, Irvine, who was the. The famous British pedophile that got arrested? Never got arrested, but then eventually died. Jim will fix it. Dude.

News Correspondent (172:51)

That'D be Jimmy Savile.

Adam Curry (172:52)

Ah, Jimmy F. Oh, yeah, Jimmy Savile.

John C. Dvorak (172:55)

Sure.

Adam Curry (172:55)

Jimmy Savile. There you go. That was.

John C. Dvorak (172:57)

Duh.

Adam Curry (172:58)

What a creep that guy was. All happened during the course of this show, I might add. And, boy, that did they. They covered that up, didn't they? Whoa.

John C. Dvorak (173:09)

Yeah. The entire BBC was. The BBC.

Adam Curry (173:12)

Didn't. Didn't they kill the journalist over that woman who got killed outside her house?

John C. Dvorak (173:17)

I don't know. Ask the.

Adam Curry (173:19)

Oh, I'm not gonna ask the robot everything. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

John C. Dvorak (173:24)

Adam and the Robot. That's you.

Adam Curry (173:26)

There's your title. Adam and the Ro. Hey, stick with me, baby. Adam and the Robot. It's a possible exit strategy. Think of it. I can have twice the money. Adam and the robot for 20 bucks a month.

John C. Dvorak (173:41)

Half the money. Because you, when you have the robot won't complain enough, though the ro.

Adam Curry (173:46)

I'll teach the robot to complain. It'll cost me 20 bucks a month. Adam and the Robot. Hey, everybody, It's Adam and the Robot. Hey, robot, how you doing? Robot, say hello. Adam and the Robot, everybody. Woohoo. In the the morning. Yep. Yeah, it's gonna happen.

John C. Dvorak (174:00)

Well, talking about whining, I had to get this clip out of the way. This is the, this BBC clip about the Voice of America complaining.

Adam Curry (174:08)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (174:09)

The Trump administration.

Adam Curry (174:10)

I'm sorry. Yeah, I got it. The Trump administration is moving to fire most remaining journalists at the federally funded broadcaster Voice of America. The move is likely to be challenged in the courts. More than 500 termination notices have been sent out, including one to Patsy Wikaswara, who until now was the Voice of America White House bureau chief.

News Correspondent (174:29)

I think it's quite clear that press freedom in the United States is under attack. Not just what's happening with us with Voice of America, but also our colleagues. Public broadcasters such as public radio, NPR and then pbs, as well as private stations. They're also under attack from the White House. And if you just look at any White House briefing, you see a lot of very right wing influencers.

Adam Curry (174:53)

Oh, yeah, BBC News, of course.

John C. Dvorak (174:57)

Oh, there's right wingers there.

Adam Curry (174:58)

It's all right. Wingers on those, those podcasters.

John C. Dvorak (175:02)

Podcasters in the White House. What are we going to do? This is no good.

Adam Curry (175:07)

Can't have the podcast. We never get invited to something cool. Invite us to the White House.

John C. Dvorak (175:13)

No, it's going to invite us to anything. When you didn't get invited because we're. I still think we're fairly neutral. Show about politics. Politics. But when you. But you did come out for Trump in 2015, 2016. Well, you came out for Trump. You said, I want Trump.

Adam Curry (175:29)

That's not what made a big fight. No, you lie.

John C. Dvorak (175:32)

No. Well, let me finish. You thought Trump would be the. You were, you were back in Trump. You predicted he was going to win.

Adam Curry (175:40)

You lie. I said, this guy can go all the way. And you said, no, man, it's Marco Rubio, yo. That's how that went down.

John C. Dvorak (175:51)

You what? You made a point of endorsing Trump and you never got invited to the White Inauguration. That's the way I see it. Remember it?

Adam Curry (175:59)

I endorsed him. Okay, all right.

John C. Dvorak (176:01)

And you never got invited.

Adam Curry (176:03)

No, because I never endorsed him. If I had said, yeah, go, man. Go, go, go.

John C. Dvorak (176:08)

People, somebody go dig this up. Do some research.

Adam Curry (176:11)

Yeah, Please do send it to me. I'll gladly play it.

John C. Dvorak (176:14)

I find it very annoying that you didn't get invited to this. The inauguration.

Adam Curry (176:17)

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Joe Rogan went. He. He represented all. All podcasts.

John C. Dvorak (176:22)

He went to. He did go to the inauguration, 2016.

Adam Curry (176:25)

No, that's right. He went to the. The second one. You're right. He hated when I hated. But he was not. He was.

John C. Dvorak (176:34)

He was.

Adam Curry (176:34)

Yeah, he was a Bernie fan. He was a Bernie Sanders fan.

John C. Dvorak (176:37)

Right? He was a Bernie.

Adam Curry (176:38)

You and you and Rogan. Bernie and Marco, huh?

John C. Dvorak (176:42)

Sure.

Adam Curry (176:43)

Way to go.

John C. Dvorak (176:44)

Marco's got a better chance of still making it. Way to go, eight ball.

Adam Curry (176:47)

Okay. Magic eight ball.

John C. Dvorak (176:51)

Magic.

Adam Curry (176:52)

Here.

John C. Dvorak (176:52)

Here's a funny. I had a. I have a wow clip. One of these clips that is not getting much coverage. This is just too funny.

News Correspondent (177:00)

A South Africa court has sentenced seven Chinese nationals to prison. They were convicted of trafficking dozens of African American and forcing them to work in a factory. Entity's David Lam reports.

Adam Curry (177:12)

A court in Johannesburg, South Africa has sentenced seven Chinese nationals to 20 years in prison. They were convicted of trafficking 91 individuals from Malawi and forcing them to work at a cotton fabric factory in South Africa. The group was convicted in February for crimes committed from. From 2017 to 2019. Police raided the factory and arrested the defendants in November 2019. Authorities said they found the Malawian victims confined in inhumane conditions with armed guards controlling their movements. The factory had a high wall and razor fence. But I want to say to our people as well, they must know that we are taking these issues very serious. Government is working every day, day towards rooting out all these issues. Prosecutors said the victims were forced to work 11 hour shifts, seven days a week without safety equipment. The South African Department of Labor expressed support for the sentence and urged greater collaboration among government agencies to help end human trafficking, slavery. Yeah. Yep.

John C. Dvorak (178:23)

In Africa.

Adam Curry (178:25)

No gambling, of course.

John C. Dvorak (178:30)

Well, I thought that was an interesting story.

Adam Curry (178:32)

Well, no one's gonna. You know. By the way, we have rapid developments. Rapid.

John C. Dvorak (178:38)

Oh, you're looking at the quad box.

Adam Curry (178:39)

The quad. The quad screen says rapid developments. It looks like this the guy who. They have been posting the picture all morning. Like he was one of those. One of those people that. Charlie. What's the term you used with a pistol? He polemicized that guy, you know, because he always made people look foolish. Yeah, well, he looks like one of those guys.

John C. Dvorak (179:13)

Could be, yeah. I mean, you know, I could imagine somebody getting irked by being made a fool love, but I always thought it was. There were the People that were. Some of the dumb stuff people came up with with him is just ridiculous. He was easy to. It was easy pickings.

Adam Curry (179:32)

Well, what do you mean?

John C. Dvorak (179:34)

So you think they caught the guy? I don't think so.

Adam Curry (179:37)

Soon. New Trump comments on Charlie Kirk. I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (179:41)

No, that's nothing.

Adam Curry (179:42)

But by the way, it's the same people that you love bringing on TikTok to the show. It's the same people.

John C. Dvorak (179:48)

No, different people.

Adam Curry (179:49)

Okay. Same category, same level, same caliber.

John C. Dvorak (179:54)

Well, I don't, I, I don't have anybody on the show. I don't have it. One tick tock clip on this show.

Adam Curry (179:59)

Well, you have an EBT complainer woman.

John C. Dvorak (180:02)

Oh.

Adam Curry (180:05)

Oh, wait a second. Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (180:07)

Oh, good lord. Oh, good Lord. Okay, we'll play that.

Adam Curry (180:13)

I had to cancel my vacation with.

News Correspondent (180:14)

My family because where we were gonna go and vacation at, they have already stopped certain things of being able to be purchased with ebt. Well, because of this, that would mean I would have to buy the majority.

Adam Curry (180:29)

Of my family's food out of pocket.

News Correspondent (180:32)

And that would dig into my money.

Adam Curry (180:35)

I have for fun things.

News Correspondent (180:38)

So I had no other choice but.

Adam Curry (180:40)

To cancel the trip. My family is so sad about this.

News Correspondent (180:44)

And so am I. I don't understand why people want to control what other people buy with their ebt. Like, how is it your business what I buy with my ebt?

Adam Curry (180:55)

And there it is. There's the problem in America in a nutshell. Right there. Right there. I can't use my EBT on vacation for whatever I want to buy. Isn't that emergency benefits? Isn't that what that is? Emergency Is that.

John C. Dvorak (181:10)

It's a food stamps program.

Adam Curry (181:12)

Yes. For people who are in D straits and, and who need to eat food. Who need food. Yes. But there it is. Enough said.

John C. Dvorak (181:21)

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

Adam Curry (181:26)

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Now, the people who support the no Agenda show, of course, they're very, very different. They understand how we all have to work together. Together. And we would like to thank the people who've supported us with their value for value, $50 and above. John has the list.

John C. Dvorak (181:49)

I do have the list. It starts with our, our regular Dame Rita, who came in with 10911. She's in Sparks, Nevada. She's probably a viscountess, we believe. Christopher ebert in Spartanburg, South Carolina. 10535 Kate and boy, $100. And she says, I love you guys.

Adam Curry (182:11)

I love you too.

John C. Dvorak (182:13)

Thank you Kate.

Adam Curry (182:14)

Love you too.

John C. Dvorak (182:14)

Scott Van gelder in Barnstable, Massachusetts. Nuts. 100. Love every episode. Kevin McLaughlin comes in with 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of America, lover of melons. And that's the boob donation. Along with anonymous in Mount Airy, Maryland. He came in with a eight thousand hundred eight. Sir Dougherty in Steven City, Virginia. 6,868. And that's a happy birthday call out to Sir Nick somebody. Josh Buford in Midlothian, Virginia. 6430. George Souza in Turlock, California. 61. Michael Natrin in Newark, Delaware. 61. Well, these 61s, these are your birthday cards. These are the last three birthday call outs.

Adam Curry (183:04)

I know. It's beautiful. Thank you all so much.

John C. Dvorak (183:06)

Sprague, who comes in from Lapeer, Michigan with a $61 Happy Birthday. Which. Which was. Which was sent to Jay and I put happy birthday.

Adam Curry (183:20)

What are you laughing about?

John C. Dvorak (183:22)

Well, it's happy birthday to you, but because I. Because I guess looking back on it, I think she thought it was him wishing himself happy birthday. So he's probably on the birthday list.

Adam Curry (183:33)

Well, he's gonna. He's gonna be congratulated regardless. Regardless.

John C. Dvorak (183:39)

That's pretty funny. Jason Shepard in Trinidad, Colorado. 606 small boobs. And along with Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona, Sam Williams, he's 6,006. Also Sam Williams in Davenport, Iowa. 55. He's sending me and you a Chevette with some real cool shaving. Shaving shoes. Soup.

Adam Curry (184:06)

Oh. Oh, that's cool.

John C. Dvorak (184:09)

Women. Tell me it smells great, huh?

Adam Curry (184:13)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (184:16)

I don't know what chavet is even. Look it up.

Adam Curry (184:19)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (184:20)

Kevin Richie, 53, 70. Oh, this is a knighting that's coming up. Yes, I will read it. You might as well read it in the morning.

Adam Curry (184:27)

John and Adam, with this 53.77 donation, I'm celebrating both my birthday on September 11th, a show day, and the completion of my knighthood. Please dub me sir 11 of 9 at the roundtable where I'll just need a Coke Slurpee. For the longest time, I thought I was the only one noticing the bias around us. Every day until 2016, when I found U2. Thank you for keeping me sane and entertained. Keep up the good work and please remember, everyone's got an agenda. Kevin Richie. How right you are, brother.

John C. Dvorak (185:03)

Angela Kettle Hut in Rock Hill, S.C. 5377. There's a birthday to Brian coming up beyond the list. Brittany Miller in Trinidad, Colorado. 5272. These are actually $52 donors that are jacked it up a little bit. Bent. What? Benta heft. Edlich.

Adam Curry (185:30)

Bentehalt. Edlich.

John C. Dvorak (185:33)

And he's in. He's in. He's in Switzerland.

Adam Curry (185:36)

She.

John C. Dvorak (185:36)

She.

Adam Curry (185:36)

She.

John C. Dvorak (185:37)

She.

Adam Curry (185:37)

She.

John C. Dvorak (185:38)

Oh, she's a she. Yeah. Just please break for Dame Dane. My mother has a cancer growth on her liver and would very much like to survive the operation and have full recovery. She needs an F cancer. We're going to give her the 252sepsis 72 donation for the Swiss. This is our second Swiss person today.

Adam Curry (185:57)

Swiss are in demand. Let me do that F cancer for her right now.

John C. Dvorak (186:05)

You've got karma.

Adam Curry (186:07)

Of course we break for Danes. Of course we do.

John C. Dvorak (186:10)

Eric J. Rao. You think?

Adam Curry (186:13)

Jiro Girau.

John C. Dvorak (186:16)

Girau. In Crestview, Florida. 5272. Sean Veneman. Veneman. Veneman. I think. I think in Genoa, Illinois, which they probably pronounce it Genoa. I'm guessing 5272. What they do? Stephen Trocket or Truckles? Truckles in Sust. Deutschland. Ah. 5112. My family freaked out over drones entering Poland. Wow. Sister taking fast flight out, huh? Interesting. Bad. I ope. Bad idea. Supply is back. Bad idea. Look him up on the Internet. 5,005. 50. 50. Douglas Monk. And now we got the $50 donors. This is a very short list today, actually. Douglas Monk and Con, Pennsylvania. Roderick Brown and Mermaid. Mermaid. Prince Edward Island, Canada. No. Rene Kinig in Ultresht Kanika.

Adam Curry (187:29)

No.

John C. Dvorak (187:30)

Steven Shoemake in Xenia, Ohio. And last on the list is Tim. Tim. Not Tom. Tim Del Vecchio in Blandon, Pennsylvania. I want to thank these people for making sure we're two shows away from show 1800.

Adam Curry (187:45)

We're getting very.

John C. Dvorak (187:47)

And remember, how many podcasts have gone that long?

Adam Curry (187:52)

Well, there's more who have done more episodes like Omega Man. I think he has.

John C. Dvorak (187:57)

Yeah. Well, you do a daily. You can get it up there quick.

Adam Curry (188:00)

Omega man has literally done over 5,000 episodes. Omega man, who he donates to the show. Omega man is out of his mind. He's done 5,000 episodes. I don't know if he's been around as long as we.

John C. Dvorak (188:10)

How long does he do a show for? Well, how long. How long does the show run?

Adam Curry (188:13)

Oh, three minutes. It's just. I think they're pretty long, actually. Thank you very much to these donors. $50 and above. And again, thank you to our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1798. Two more to go until 1800. We appreciate you so much. Thank you for participating in the grand experiment known as Value for Value. Noah, just@donations.com Sir Luca celebrates today, as does Kevin Richie. Sir Joseph turned 68. Sir Dougherty wishes Sir, not Jake, a very happy one for the 13th. Angela Kettlehutt. Happy birthday to her Brian, her husband Brian Kettlehut, who apparently sometimes she annoys him, I guess, but he loves her anyway. And Troy Sirag. No birthday for you, but I'll take it anyway. Happy birthday from everybody and the best podcast in the universe. And now it is time once again to welcome brand new Secretary Generals to the no Agenda show. Whether he wants it or not. Sir Anonymous dog patch in Lois lbovia becomes a Secretary General today as well as Sir Scoe. Thank you again for all of your matching donations. And sir, your honest mechanic also joins those exclusive ranks of no Agenda Secretary Generals. Congratulations. All hail to the Secretary Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary Generals on the no Agenda show. And I don't know, can they go to noagendarings.com yet to see their fine Secretary General certifications?

John C. Dvorak (190:08)

They can go. I think you can fill out the form. Yeah.

Adam Curry (190:10)

Okay. Let us know what you want exactly on it. And these are going to be beautiful. This is going to be some of the best we've ever done. We do have two knights to bring up into the Roundtable spectacular here. If you could give us a blade.

John C. Dvorak (190:24)

Here you go.

Adam Curry (190:25)

There you go. We need blades for. Because these are knightings that are official. The queens and the kings, they do it. So can we. Matt Stevens, Kevin, Richie, hop on up here onto the podium. Both of you have become knights of the Noah Jenner Roundtable thanks to your support of the best podcast in the universe in the amount of $1,000 or more. And I'm proud to pronounce the Kate the as Sir Matthew of the lower coastal plain. And sir 11 of nine for you gentlemen, we have Gumbo, Parmesan, albita, Parmesan and Albita. And a Coke Slurpee. Does it get any easier than that? Along with that, we've got cases and sake, vodkas and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider, nescorts, ginger and gerbils. We got breast milk and pablum. And of course we have the mutton and the mead. Welcome to the Roundtable. You also should go to no agendarings.com take a look at those fine night and dame rings. We'll send you out one that fits your size. There is a handy Ring sizing guide right there on the website and let us know we can send it to you. And thank you for supporting the show and welcome to the roundtable. No agenda nights and aims. No agenda. Well, we do have the big meetup coming up on Saturday, the North Olympic Peninsula. Last minute meetup. It's a last minute meetup. Why is it a last minute meetup? Why? Why is it a last minute. Did they just decided they're going to do something?

John C. Dvorak (191:51)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (191:53)

It'll be at 3:33pm at Bar Hop Brewing in Port Angeles, Washington attending Mimi Jay and Brennan. Sir Tim from the Squim will be organizing this. And thanks to the outstanding work of the producers on the no Agenda show, I have a copy balance no less of their program promo in the morning. This is T. Ryan Everett. Oh wow. What a lead in for this. Oh my goodness. Wow, wow. All right, Sir Tim from Squim, Commodore of the Port of Angels.

John C. Dvorak (192:26)

And this is Mimi Smith Dvorak.

Adam Curry (192:30)

No, that's fake news. She doesn't sound like that. It should be.

John C. Dvorak (192:37)

And this is Mimi Smith Dvor Hack.

Adam Curry (192:41)

Notice the Smith Dvorak. What is that a little like? Well, you know, at any minute you go back to just Mimi Smith if you put on run for office with.

John C. Dvorak (192:50)

Smith is better name.

Adam Curry (192:51)

Oh, okay.

John C. Dvorak (192:52)

And this is Mimi Smith Dvorak inviting.

News Correspondent (192:55)

You to the first in a long, long time North Olympic no agenda meetup on Saturday, September 13, which is just in a couple of days we're away.

Adam Curry (193:06)

So set your sat nav or, or.

News Correspondent (193:10)

Google it, I guess for you boomers.

Adam Curry (193:15)

You can use your phone book and.

News Correspondent (193:17)

Join us at Bar Hop in Port Angeles.

Adam Curry (193:20)

Not the one in Sequim, but the.

News Correspondent (193:21)

One in Port Angeles this Saturday at.

Adam Curry (193:24)

3:33Pm That's Saturday the 13th at 3:33pm at Bar Hop in Port Angel Angeles, where protection is connection or connection is protection. One of the two.

News Correspondent (193:37)

I don't know, just don't get it on me, okay?

Adam Curry (193:43)

Hi, I'm Adam Curry and I love listening to Millennial Media Offensive. I got punked. So Eric P. Now we talked about this Audacity file. So I posted in the chat, Eric PP gets back to me. I save it. I don't listen to it obviously, otherwise I would have banned it outright. That was the probably the worst promo I've ever heard. And then no Agenda Millennial post me a copy and said oh, I balanced it for you. And so, and I know Eric BP very well. I'm like, oh well maybe Eric BP didn't have time. So. So that's very kind of you. No Agenda Millennial. And punked me with a little no agenda millennial promo right at the end of that.

John C. Dvorak (194:37)

Yeah, that was pretty good.

Adam Curry (194:39)

Outstanding work. Outstanding. That actually made that whole minute bearable. Also on Saturday, the New Jersey Central meetup. We drink and we know things. Spooky Season Edition, 2 o' clock at 3 BR Distillery in Keyport, New Jersey, and the Northern Silicon Valley. Get John out of the house. Meetup on the 13th, which of course will be without Jay, without Mimi, without Brennan, because they're all doing a competing meetup. That'll be meetup number eight, 3:33pm Pacific, same time at Pizzeria Violeta in Oakland, California. Go say hi to John, everybody. And on Thursday, our next show day, Charlotte's thirsty. Third Thursday monthly.

John C. Dvorak (195:19)

This is.

Adam Curry (195:19)

I don't know how many they've done this. They've been doing this forever. Seven o' clock at Ed's Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. Thank you all very much for your. For your meetup courage. And you can always go to noagendameetups.com to find out where all of them are taking place. Connection is protection. Yes, you can get some of it on you, Mimi. Don't worry about it. These are the people who will be your first responders in an emergency. If you can't find one near you, go to noagendameetups.com and start one yourself. It's easy. And always a party. Nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell, be where everybody feels the same.

John C. Dvorak (196:05)

It's like a party, man.

Adam Curry (196:08)

You're going to have to have a phone call after the show with Mimi about that promo.

John C. Dvorak (196:16)

Well, you know, they don't listen to enough promo promos.

Adam Curry (196:20)

Do they listen to the show at all?

John C. Dvorak (196:22)

Well, she does, but I don't know if she pays. It was. It was Tim that decided to do the promo, and so she just.

Adam Curry (196:28)

Wait a minute.

John C. Dvorak (196:29)

You mean Tim? That's very good.

Adam Curry (196:33)

Yeah. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (196:36)

Man.

Adam Curry (196:40)

That'S great.

John C. Dvorak (196:41)

All right. They'll love you for that.

Adam Curry (196:43)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (196:43)

Just ran begging on these poor people.

Adam Curry (196:45)

Hey, that's what we do. Two ISOs. Here's my first. I don't know what else to tell you. And I have this one.

News Correspondent (196:54)

I mean, this is.

Adam Curry (196:55)

This is balderdash. Balderdash, brother. You got a better one?

John C. Dvorak (197:00)

I think so. Yep. That podcast was a humdinger.

Adam Curry (197:05)

Well, how can I compete with AI? I'm all in now. It's $40 billion worth of AI. God. Great advice for you and me, just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

John C. Dvorak (197:21)

All right, I'm going to do something that's a little food and wine related.

Adam Curry (197:25)

Ah. We always love the fine and wood. Wood and fine. Yes, the wood and fine tips of the day. Wood and wood and fine.

John C. Dvorak (197:32)

Yes.

Adam Curry (197:32)

I got to write that one down. Wood and fine.

John C. Dvorak (197:36)

Sake.

Adam Curry (197:37)

Oh.

John C. Dvorak (197:37)

Oh. Most people don't know how to buy sake.

Adam Curry (197:39)

In fact, I'm very happy you're doing this because when we went out in Austin with the former Hollywood executive, we went to a very upscale sushi restaurant, I think it's neighborhood sushi restaurant it's called. And I ordered sake. And there was a list that was so long, I'm like, just give me the Winter War. I had no idea what I was doing.

John C. Dvorak (198:04)

Yeah, that would be normal. Not for you, for everybody.

Adam Curry (198:08)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (198:11)

Okay, so what you're looking for, when you buy a sake, there's a couple things, and then I have an obscure. The tip is actually the obscure ending to this little lecture. You want to always get a ginjo. A ginjo. Sake.

Adam Curry (198:23)

Ginjo. Is that G I N, J O, G I N, G O Gingo, A J, O.

John C. Dvorak (198:28)

You got it right the first time.

Adam Curry (198:30)

Okay. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (198:31)

And if there's variations like Dai jing, ginjo, or there's other ginjos, it has to be. Any of those variations are fine. They get better. There's some better ginjos that are really elaborate, but they're very incredibly expensive. But ginjo is your baseline. You want to get a ginjo. That means that's a sake that ensures it's 100% rice. They don't put neutral spirits in like they do the cheaper grades of sake. A lot of them have that in there. If it doesn't say ginjo, you're going to get neutral spirits watering it down.

Adam Curry (199:04)

Just crap. Okay, you want ginjo.

John C. Dvorak (199:06)

Now, the funny thing is, and I've only noticed this over the years, this is an observation that has not been documented, but it's an observation I made. And I made it initially about 30 years ago when I was at some event and a Japanese guy was there and he gifted me a bottle of stuff, sake, and it was terrific. One of the best bottles I've ever had. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I do remember one characteristic, and I've noticed this over and over and over and over again. When I buy sake from Costco, or I buy. As long as it's ginjo, sake from Costco and I buy sake from the. Our local Tokyo fish market, if it's in a blue bottle, it's always good. Good. I know this has not been documented by anybody.

Adam Curry (199:56)

It's completely undocumented.

John C. Dvorak (199:57)

I have observed this over and over and over again over the years. And you'll see there's a whole bunch of sakis up on the wall and one of them's in a blue bottle.

Adam Curry (200:07)

And that's the one.

John C. Dvorak (200:09)

Just buy that and see what happens. It's going to be good. I have no idea if this, if a Japanese sake expert can come and back me up on this, but I've always noticed that it's all the blue bottled. Sakes are always the best. I don't know.

Adam Curry (200:25)

Well, I would love for Sir Mark and Dave Asrid to chime in on this, but I do not doubt you. And I'm always going to say, excuse me, can I see the bottle for this? Can I see all the bottles?

John C. Dvorak (200:35)

Well, now, when you, when you're at a. When you're at a restaurant, they usually. They usually. Okay. When you're at a restaurant, the sakes are generally in the big, giant pool bottles.

Adam Curry (200:45)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (200:45)

And the big, giant bottles, which are, I don't know, liter and a half or. No, they're like two liters are huge. And that's what they usually most of the sake. You get a lot of sake in these big, huge bottles. Blue bottles are delicate, so you won't find a big, giant blue bottle because the nature. I think it's boron. Maybe I'm learned.

Adam Curry (201:06)

Another. Another tip. Blue bottles are delicate. This is another tip of the day.

John C. Dvorak (201:10)

Blue bottles are delicate and. And that's why you don't see too many blue bottles. Because it's hard. They're hard to make. When I was inspecting the glass factory at Pittsburgh Plate Glass, it used to be in Oakland, I got this lecture about, oh, we can't do blue. Oh, it's a pain in the ass. They're brittle. They're crappy. You know, we don't like making blue because it's a boron or something that goes in there makes them brittle. And so I've never seen a giant bottle of even the same brand of sake in a blue bottle. They're always the brown bottle. So. So you can't necessarily look at the bottle at a restaurant because they're always going to be these giant bottles that they use typically. So you're gonna have to go. Just go with ginjo.

Adam Curry (201:54)

Ginjo it is. There it is. His tip of the day. A very handy one. Look out for the blue bottle, everybody Great advice for you and me. Just Adam created by Dana Burnetti. Well, there you go. We conclude our broadcast day as we put this genie back in the blue bottle until Sunday. When we return, I'm sure there'll be something else to look forward to. Or not. Something will happen. We'll know something.

John C. Dvorak (202:27)

Something always happens.

Adam Curry (202:28)

Something always happens. Usually on a show day, but sometimes not on a show day. Be kind to each other and stay tuned to the no Agenda stream we have. Oh, this is a good one. Who are these broadcasters? It's episode 110, Howard Stern speaks. But who's listening? Well, that's a good question. That'll be next on the stream or in your modern podcast app. We will be igniting the bat signal again on Sunday. End of show mixes from Kevin Drinkar and Jeffrey Crocker, who makes excellent, excellent use of that 60 billion dollar investment in AI with his own lyrics. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

John C. Dvorak (203:08)

And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (203:12)

Please remember us@noagendadonations.com keep the value for go value for value going. 1800 episodes coming up and 18 years in the can until Sunday. Remember us at noage agenda donations.com until then, adios mo fos a hooey, hooey and such.

John C. Dvorak (203:32)

He has got to pull the plug on TV advertising immediately.

News Correspondent (203:36)

Let's start with the size vaccination. It is a chaotic situation.

John C. Dvorak (203:40)

He has got to pull the plug on TV advertising immediately.

News Correspondent (203:44)

I remember the freezer trucks behind Lenox Hill Hospital where I work. George. It feels like right now it is a chaotic situation. Like we are unmoored. There is no captain steering the ship. And I know there's a lot of misinformation and mistrust, but one thing that should not be under fire is vaccination and the public health story success that vaccination has been in this country. We know that it has saved millions of lives. We know that it prevents disability from diseases. We forget that polio can cause paralysis. Measles can lead to brain inflammation. So if you get sick, it can end up resulting in complications. We have vaccines for cancer, HPV and hepatitis.

John C. Dvorak (204:28)

He has got to pull the plug on TV advertising immediately.

News Correspondent (204:32)

I remember the freezer trucks behind Lansdale Hospital where I worked.

Adam Curry (204:42)

Honey, whoa.

John C. Dvorak (204:57)

In New York we're building it.

Adam Curry (204:59)

New, affordable light shining through freeze and rent Let the people all stay busy Is free to ride every day Groceries run by the city's hand a fan New York across the land honey Whoa can die whoa. With child care with wages that rise we're reaching for blue skies.

John C. Dvorak (206:02)

Housing strong.

Adam Curry (206:04)

For the working class Bride tax the rich take the greed for a ride Union jobs with a future to share A city that's truly fair.

John C. Dvorak (206:24)

The best.

Adam Curry (206:25)

Podcast in the Universe Adios, mofo.

John C. Dvorak (206:29)

Dvorak.org N A Yup, that podcast was a humdinger.