1801 - "Hate of Speech"

Summary

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No Agenda Show, Episode 1801: "Hate of Speech"

Date: September 21, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show, titled "Hate of Speech," dives into the evolution and current state of free speech, media censorship, the political fallout from the assassination of Charlie Kirk, regulatory threats against media like ABC and Jimmy Kimmel, and the shifting landscape of U.S. policies—from immigration to late-night television. Adam and John bring their usual blend of irreverence, deep media deconstruction, and sharp cultural criticism, laced with humor and pointed jabs at tech, politics, and legacy journalism.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Assassination of Charlie Kirk & Media Narratives

• Missed Coverage: John recalls how the media hyped a national "blackout" protest on the 15th over Trump but nobody noticed or participated—highlighting how media coverage, or lack thereof, makes movements invisible. [02:00–03:26]
• Charlie Kirk Memorial & Generation Divide: Adam discusses the significance of Kirk’s memorial for younger generations, the celebrities present (Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham), and the unfamiliarity of these Christian pop figures to older generations—framing the generational polarization in media and culture. [03:52–05:31]

2. Legacy Media, Free Speech & “News Distortion”

• FCC Commissioner’s Threats: Brendan Carr (FCC) and the Benny Johnson podcast make news for threatening license action against Disney/ABC for Jimmy Kimmel’s comments, sparking a broad conversation about news distortion, broadcast hoaxes, and legal limits of free speech. [18:35–34:37]
  • Key Quote:
    “If the government gets in the business of saying, ‘we don't say what you, the media, have said, we're going to ban you from the airwaves...’, that will end up bad for conservatives.” – Ted Cruz (Imitating a Mafia “Goodfellas” style threat) [17:13–19:36]
• Media’s Diminishing Power: Adam and John contextualize Carr’s saber-rattling within the plummeting ratings of late-night shows—Kimmel and Colbert are losing tens of millions, making “news distortion” regulatory talk more a business negotiation than censorship. [39:11–40:01]

3. Free Speech vs. "Freedom of Speech" and the Import of ‘Hate Speech’

• Semantics Fight: Adam insists on calling it “freedom of speech” instead of “free speech”, warning legislators may rebrand “free speech,” carving out exceptions like “hate speech.” [52:01–52:37]
  • Key Quote:
    “Free speech is this podcast. Freedom of speech is the First Amendment.” – Adam Curry [52:32]
• UK Case Studies:
  • Katie Hopkins and a U.S. expat in the UK describe police harassment, interrogation, and even arrests over social media posts characterized as “hate speech”—contrasted to the First Amendment in the U.S. [48:03–51:31]
  • “This is Hitler… That’s the stuff.” – Adam, on the UK’s online speech arrests [49:31]

4. Legacy Media Meltdown & Impact of Audience Revolts

• Kimmel Suspension Blowback: Listeners and celebrities alike react to Kimmel’s (and other late-night hosts) suspensions/firings as NBC/ABC affiliate stations, spooked by FCC talk, quietly hope to shed costly hosts and return to syndicated reruns and cheaper content. [43:31–46:01]
  • “If you had looked at the newsletter, there is a chart in there showing the unbelievable fallout of the audiences for these late night shows. Kimmel was losing $40M a year.” – John [38:58–39:35]
• TikTok Backlash & Censorship Analogies: A Disney fan on TikTok and actress Cynthia Nixon both cancel their Disney+ subscriptions, equating Kimmel’s cancellation to the dawn of “state-run media” and referencing 1930s Germany. [44:22–47:03]

5. U.S. Government, The Pentagon & Reporters: Redefining Press Freedom

• Pentagon Press Restrictions: The Trump administration’s new policy requiring credentialed journalists to sign pledges not to report unauthorized stories, limiting free movement, and triggering NPR and mainstream media outrage. [55:33–64:06]
  • Adam and John mock the press for bemoaning their loss, citing the decline of on-the-record sourcing and the modern media's lazy approach to reporting—a sharp takedown of what “freedom of the press” truly means. [59:19–61:02]
  • “Prior restraint means you can’t stop the paper from printing a story, not walk into offices and shoot the shit with some guy.” – John [62:31]

6. Immigration & The New ‘Gold Card’ Policy

• Trump’s Executive Orders:
  • Raising H1B visa fee to $100,000/year to discourages abuse, e.g., “Stop bringing in people to take our jobs… That’s the policy here.” [84:21–86:09]
  • Debut of the "Trump Gold Card" and upcoming "Platinum Card" ($1–5M contributions for residency/citizenship), opening the US to wealthy migrants, especially Europeans and Chinese, with selective tax benefits. [90:23–94:16]
  • “All you rich British people, Yelamis, come on in… That’s a very interesting twist.” – Adam [93:59]

7. NPR, Vaccines, & the New CDC Panel

• RFK Jr. and Vaccine Skeptic Panel: Adam and John deconstruct how mainstream outlets like NPR spin the CDC’s shifting vaccine recommendations, highlighting complaints that even slightly informed consent (“shared clinical decision-making”) and greater documentation of side-effects are viewed as anti-scientific or “theoretical.” [103:02–119:15]
  • “They’re going to give you the theoretical risks—these aren’t theoretical, these are actual risks. That’s a total lie.” – John [107:16–108:10]
  • “The data is considered pretty settled.” – Dr. Jody Guest [117:20–118:02]

8. Moon Landing Doubts & NASA Ham Radio “Citizen Science”

• Artemis Missions Skepticism:
  • John and Adam lampoon NASA’s reliance on amateur radio operators to track Artemis signals, positing it as a hoax-like exercise to manufacture citizen “proof” that the missions are real. [67:23–76:03]
  • “All you need is some satellite that sends down a signal ‘Hello, I am Artemis 1’… Hoaxing by getting all these amateurs to say, ‘Yeah, I received the signal, man.’” – Adam [76:03]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Media Hysteria vs. Real Events:
  “If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there, does it make a sound? If a protest happens and no one posts it, did it actually happen?” – Adam (ref: Blackout protest coverage) [02:37]

• On the Business of Christian Pop Music:
  “It’s the God business, man. It’s a good business… Sell out Austin, two nights, 15,000 people each night.” – Adam [05:17–05:31]

• On Late-night Ratings Collapse & Affiliate Frustration:
  “Hogan’s Heroes reruns would get a bigger audience. It’s cheap content.” – John [39:53]

• On Free Speech vs. Hate Speech:
  “It’s hate of speech. That just crept in all of a sudden.” – Adam [52:20–52:21]

• On U.S. Press Credentials & Modern Journalism:
  “I would be on board with what you're saying—if we hadn't been inundated with complete non-journalistic reports of ‘sources say’ for twenty years.” – Adam [59:19]

• On Britain’s Embrace of Digital ID:
  “This is why we fought the British and kicked them out. They want Digital ID, we give you the Trump Platinum Card… that’s the difference right here.” – Adam [170:59–171:47]

• AI as New Lazy Art Standard:
  “You AI prompt jockeys—you’ve pretty much chased away every single actual artist.” – Adam [142:22]

• On Spook Reporters:
  “Pearson Sharp? That's a spook name.” – Adam [123:14]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Charlie Kirk Memorial & Missed Blackout Protest: [02:00–05:31]
• Brendan Carr & FCC Threats to Media: [18:35–34:37]
• Kimmel Suspension, Disney Fallout, TikTok Cancellations: [43:31–47:03]
• UK Speech Arrests (Katie Hopkins & Free Speech): [48:03–51:31]
• Pentagon Press Restrictions/NPR Response: [55:33–64:06]
• Immigration, Gold Card Visas: [84:17–94:16]
• Moon Landing Skepticism & NASA Ham Radio: [67:23–76:03]
• CDC, Vaccines, and the Kennedy Panel: [103:02–119:12]
• Digital ID in the UK (vs. Trump Gold Card): [170:10–171:47]

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Memorable Moments

• John Dvorak’s "Benjamin Franklin" tangent derails Adam’s Fredericksburg Tea Party story, leading to mutual ribbing about storytelling skills. [12:00–16:19]
• Wild discussion about the collapse in late-night networks’ audiences and speculation that "Friends" or "Hogan's Heroes" reruns would be more profitable. [39:13–40:01]
• Raw, satirical take on UK “hate speech” police—contrasted to U.S. First Amendment and the difference in approach towards “offensive” speech. [49:31–51:31]
• Extended riff on NASA’s Artemis mission, ham radio ops, and whether anyone really went to the moon—feeding the show’s classic skepticism streak. [67:23–76:03]
• AI audio denoising technology ("devil filter") used to reveal the “the real Anna Navarro” (of The View) in a musical supercut. [190:07–191:03]

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Signature "No Agenda" Tone

A blend of biting satire, skepticism (especially towards media/tech), deep-dive technical explanations, and deconstruction of official narratives. Segments are punctuated by playful, sometimes acerbic, back-and-forth between the hosts, frequent inside jokes, and homage to the loyal "producers" (listeners/donors) with real-time interactivity. The show refuses to pull punches about legacy media, censorship, or the collapse of public trust.

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Conclusion

Episode 1801 stands out as a hard-hitting, wide-ranging deconstruction of the media-political landscape, scrutinizing everything from the FCC’s power over speech to corporate manipulation in late-night TV to the creeping authoritarianism of Digital IDs and medical mandates. With their trademark wit and analytical rigor, Adam and John eat sacred cows for breakfast—reminding listeners that in a world of “hate of speech,” the antidote is open, uncancelable, and free discourse.

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

I'm confused.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, September 21, 2025.

[Adam Curry]

This is your award winning give on Asian Media Assassination Episode 1801.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is no Agenda, uncancelable and broadcasting.

[Adam Curry]

Live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the Morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern.

[Adam Curry]

Where are you? Northern.

[John C. Dvorak]

Northern states. I've been joining Silicon Val people.

[Adam Curry]

I thought you had the whole week to get ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. I screwed it up.

[Adam Curry]

You did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, September 21, 2025.

[Adam Curry]

This is your award winning GMO Nation Media Assassination Episode 1801.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is no Agenda, uncancelable and broadcasting.

[Adam Curry]

Live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybod.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we missed it completely. How did that happen? I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzzkill in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

So I have a question. Why are bagpipes often used at funerals?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's some tradition in Scotland.

[Adam Curry]

Was Charlie Kirk from Scott of Scottish origin?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe because they have bagpipers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on my teaser. What?

[Adam Curry]

That we completely forgot? Yeah, we forgot. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't remember what? We forgot completely. We completely forgot in the last show. We forgot it now we completely forgot it. We have. It just didn't even come across our desk.

[Adam Curry]

Did it come across the climate desk?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it wasn't climate, no.

[Adam Curry]

It could have come across, I really don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blackout.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no. Did we miss? Blackout.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blackout. It came and went on the 15th, I think, and it was well organized. There were going to be a million demonstrations. The country was going to be on a general strike. We're going to shut down because of Trump.

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting. Did we really. We didn't really think that was going to work though, did we?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we didn't, but at least we could have ridiculed it or something. We didn't even do that. It was just. It was such a dud.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there was that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't even in the news.

[Adam Curry]

Well, and that's why these things fail. If it's not in the news, then it's not clipped and sent out on social media. There was something else going on in the country, in the world at the time. And so that's how these things work or don't work. And you know Maybe it's very possible it was happening all over, but we didn't know about it. If a tree falls in the forest, does anyone hear it? If no one's there, does it make a sound?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I was here in the Bay Area and I didn't see anybody protesting walking out. You know, I suppose someone from the black community could say it's supposed to be the blacks who are supposed to stop working for some reason. The blacks. The blacks. They could have said, you know, we haven't got any jobs, so what are we supposed to do?

[Adam Curry]

So a lot of. I got several emails, people saying, you know, you should start the show an hour later. Like this is going to be a multi hour thing, this Charlie Kirk Memorial. You know, we might as well not do a show if, you know, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like if we do a show on our own deathbeds.

[Adam Curry]

This is true. We do it on Christmas, we're on vacation.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to change the show for some outside influence. I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

No. And it's a podcast, people. You can listen to it anytime. I am recording it. I will watch it later tonight. I'm very interested. It's a real moment for America's younger generation. That place is packed now. Of course, they're showing me celebrities on the quad screen. Very important we see who's there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were you there?

[Adam Curry]

That's some big names. Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham. These are all big names, are they? Yeah. Well, you won't see them on the MTV Awards, but yeah, they're big names.

[John C. Dvorak]

I haven't heard of any. All three of those names are unknown to me because I didn't know who Halsey was until I was seeing all these posts because they won't let Halsey do another album. So I went and I went to YouTube to listen to Halsey. You're still stuck on your head mackerel. Just another one of these manufactured acts. It's just like it sounds like Taylor Swift probably has a little better voice, but it's. The songs are unmemorable and there's lots of them. And.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what popular top 40 music has always been that unmemorable. I mean, name three songs. Taylor. Hum. Hum the hook. Three from three Taylor Swift songs. Now you can't. Rihanna. You're a big fan of Rihanna but you can't hum one of her songs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Now these are Christian contemporary artists. They sell out. Austin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's. So that's why you would know. I wouldn't know.

[Adam Curry]

No, they sell out. Austin, two nights, 15,000 people each night.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're pretty big. That's a good business.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great. It's. It's the God business, man. It's a good business. So I have a suggestion for people. Get a Proton mail or a fast mail account or get something other than Gmail because I am convinced, based on the content of your newsletter, that Gmail, Google slash Alphabet destroyed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think this happens. By the way, our. Our girl Catherine in Bangkok didn't get the mail either. There's a bunch of people didn't get it. And it's always Gmail. And I think you might be right. But the problem is every time I send out the second note, I get about 10 to 20 to 30 to 50 to 100 people say, I've got Gmail. I've always gotten the newsletter. I don't know what these people's problems are. So there's something selective about it and I can't. And I have yet to figure out what it might be.

[Adam Curry]

It could also, believe it or not, it could just also be a massive technical fail email. There's a lot that can go wrong years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is back in the early 80s when I was writing for the Deck Professional. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

A platform that I don't think is in use anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because there's no Deck. No Digital Equipment Corporation doesn't exist. And I wrote this column. Funny thing is the columns I wrote for that magazine is the only columns I've won any awards for.

[Adam Curry]

What award? What award did you win?

[John C. Dvorak]

I wrote the Computer Press association award for best column for one of those computer.

[Adam Curry]

Did they have a gala every year, the Computer Press Association Association?

[John C. Dvorak]

They did, they did. And it was gay.

[Adam Curry]

No surprise there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was a gay law.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, very, very Gayla. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it took you forever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So I wrote this column once there. I remember this distinctly because I never got so much hate mail in my life. It was about during the early days of the Internet when it was still, you know, just after Arpanetta first, you know, you get an email account and I did a rant about how that's unreliable and it's never going to, you know, it's always going to be that way. It's just because of the system itself. The whole mechanism stinks. And. Oh, man, all these nerds, you know, these engineers from all these big companies, you can't say this bull crap. This is the best thing ever. It's going to work. And it works well. Well, you're I was right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're also on. On video with evidence of how you troll Apple, people. That's one of my favorite pieces of video because, you know, you were so, so glib about, oh, this is how I do it. You know, I sl. And then I'll go, yeah, Apple's great. And I'll slam them again. And then people whipsaw back and forth and my audience just keeps growing. You are the ultimate troll. It's very good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, I'm not as much as I used to be. Well, I've lost my touch, to be honest about it.

[Adam Curry]

Can you turn in your speakers just a little? It's really, really coming back loud. What is this? Why is it. Yeah, it's coming back loud today for some reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

It should be okay now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's okay now. So. Oh, I got last night local Fredericksburg news report.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, before you get your Fredericksburg news report, I want to say so Mimi up who's running for office in Port Angeles.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Where's the script?

[John C. Dvorak]

She has. Oh, it's coming. She has a friend who's an ex police and he is. He is connected to the same military intelligence people we talk about before.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he grade going down.

[John C. Dvorak]

He feels he has feeds her. She says. She tells me these stories.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

What. Why does he think this? And I always said, by the way, my response which includes is going to be an assassination attempt at the Charlie Kirk thing and is all this and that and all the anomalies about the. The assassination and all the rest. And I said, you know, and the one thing in common I think that all these people have, they refuse to listen to the no Agenda Show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Why would they? It's like Lara Logan doesn't listen to the no Agenda Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

She'll never listen to it because it's. It's no.

[Adam Curry]

I can barely get the keeper to listen to a full episode.

[John C. Dvorak]

She listens, you know.

[Adam Curry]

You know who listen? Everyone at church. They love it. They love the no Agenda show. Everybody's like, yeah. Oh. And so I walk in. This is the boots and barbecue. This is the big Fredericksburg Tea Party gala, which I like a lot because it doesn't cost anything and there's no auction. Every gala in the world hasn't. We. The silent auction is closed. Everybody. You know, they did have a silent auction. You can.

[John C. Dvorak]

They had an auction if they had a silent auction.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, the silent auction. But it wasn't. They had sponsors of the event. They didn't have fun. It wasn't a fundraising event, per se. Although it is, but all these galas, like, and then, okay, we've got half a cow from Ted's ranch and the bidding starts at $800. And you know, and then, so people wind up buying $4,000, half a cow. You know, it's. It's all. It's all like, kind of icky. So like, yeah, look at me. I got the big swinger. Just donate your money. You know, and there's. And there's always something that is very overpriced that you don't want. Like a week stay in Steamboat, Colorado in August.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the name of this thing again?

[Adam Curry]

Boots and Barbecue. And it's organized so that one of the big engines behind Boots, Boots and Barbecue, also the Fredericksburg Tea Party, is Matt Long, who organizes our meetups here. And Matt's the guy that dresses up as Benjamin Franklin and goes into the schools. The public schools, actually. He looks like Benjamin Franklin.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he's great. He's good at it. Nah, this is Matt's real deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of Benjamin Franklin's, I don't know, relatives into a direct descendant. A guy named Nick DeWolf was a very famous technologist. And he. I think he was the great, great grandson or something. And he actually looked like Ben Franklin.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Matt Long looks like Ben Franklin and he also.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's not related.

[Adam Curry]

No. Who cares about your stupid story? It's like you just derailed everything. I know a guy who was friends with the great.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you were. If you had a good story, you just plow through it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it wasn't a good story. I'm trying to get to it. Anyway, so it's a big deal. And it's. It's sponsored by. Let's see. This is a great list of people. Gun Owners of America. Woohoo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ben Franklin.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, the. The Boots and Barbecue. The tea party. The big annual gala.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought you said it wasn't sponsored by anybody.

[Adam Curry]

No, I said there was no auction where they had those stupid auctions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

A golfing vacation. Anyway, I'm gonna. I'm hearing something really strange. I'm not. Something's. Something's off with my. Are you. Are you still there?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Something's off with the system. I don't know what's going on today. So underwritten, let's put it that way. Gun Owners of America. The convention of States Moms for Liberty. You can already tell this was a. This was a hoot. Nanny. This was good. And the speaker was I was that guy. Yeah, he has. He has a lot of these podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, a podcast story is getting worse.

[Adam Curry]

Alex Newman. Alex Newman. Now, he's pretty good. Alex Newman did 45 minutes, and it was the no Agenda show. It was literally Agenda 20. 20. 21, Agenda 2030, Soros Common Core. I mean, it was like a run through our history and the guys out there making money on this. I was sitting there going like, we could do this. We just get a PowerPoint. He had so many slides. Said, well, I only have 45 minutes. Just fast forwarded through about 50 slides. Okay, we're here now. But it was good. You know, they honored the volunteer fire department of Kerr County. Of course, you know, we had the floods here, so that was. That was really nice. But anyway, the point is, I bumped into Kyle Biederman and. Kyle Biederman. Why are you laughing?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because this is the most rambling story you've ever told.

[Adam Curry]

All right, never mind. Okay, let's move on to the news.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I don't even know who Kyle Biederman is. I want to know now.

[Adam Curry]

About to explain. He's a state senator, guy who owns.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, is he from. He's a Fredericksburg state senator for this Texas legislature. And he's a Republican.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And he owns Ace Hardware. And he comes up to me, says, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

He owns Ace Hardware, the chain?

[Adam Curry]

No, he owns several franchises.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he owns his franchise and a pizza restaurant.

[Adam Curry]

And he says, I love your show. How long you been doing that? You guys, you're really good. Do you really like each other? Said, no, that's a good show. And he said, I love the Florida Ounces. And his wife, her name is Barbie. She has an amazing voice. She talks like this. Anyway. And Chip Roy. Chip Roy was there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did Chip Roy listen to the show?

[Adam Curry]

Chip Roy doesn't listen to anything or anybody. He's at every single one of these. He's running for Texas Attorney General. That's why he was there. And. And Don Hefenus, he's running for comptroller. It's a political event. But you know what was good? The barbecue was good. Somehow that story just didn't unpack. I think it was all I was going to do. Really short update, and I think you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could have started with the ending, but.

[Adam Curry]

The barbecue was really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, just the barbecue is good. And guess who was there, and he likes the no Agenda Show. I think that would have. Some gun really made it, brought it home.

[Adam Curry]

I'll do better. I'll do better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Instead of a bunch Of.

[Adam Curry]

I never heard of the bands. The bands were at Charlie Kirk's memorial. You are very. You're not listening. You're very confused.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's because the story was calm. Just come noodling, whatever.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. It was bad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here we go. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

There we go. Now, the. The topic of the week has been free speech, and it's really irked me how. Well, not irked me. I think people tune into the no Agenda show or listen to it on the podcast to get some actual information, to really understand what the truth is about something. And everybody is full of crap, including Ted Cruz.

[John C. Dvorak]

What he said there is dangerous as hell. And I gotta say, that's right out of Goodfellas. That's right out of a mafia coming into it.

[Adam Curry]

That's all. I wonder if I have that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that.

[Adam Curry]

That's got to be some kind of tell. Let me see that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. That's right out of a Mafioso.

[Adam Curry]

I missed it. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I gotta say, that's right out of Goodfellows. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not it. Ah, I thought I had a.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all they got.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have. I don't have it. I don't have a Porky Pig. All right, onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta say, that's right out of Goodfellows. That's right out of a Mafioso coming into a bar going, nice bar you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. If the government gets in the business of saying, well, hold on a second. What is Cruz doing shtick now?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is his podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's on his podcast and he's doing voices.

[Adam Curry]

That wasn't bad, actually. I thought his voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it wasn't. No, I'm not saying it was bad.

[Adam Curry]

It was pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's Ted Cruz.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but this is. The whole thing stems from a dumb remark or a remark made on a podcast. All right? This is where this. People don't think about what they're saying on podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

This has been the thesis of yours for. For the entire 18 years we've been doing this show, and it's been a basic thesis. You love bringing these. These people. These clips from these naive people that think that, I don't know, understand it either, to be honest about it. Why you think that you can say stuff on a podcast you wouldn't say on network tv?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a. They don't consider it to be real media to this day. It's getting a little closer, I think. No, no, like pet, like palm bandy. You know, she, she said stuff on a podcast which was just ridiculous. And, you know, we determined that that was possibly a Stephen Miller hit, which I think is still a very good thesis.

[John C. Dvorak]

But things.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get back to Ted Cruz with his nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. If the government gets in the business of saying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we don't say what? Did you say something?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that was in the clip.

[Adam Curry]

How you sound like Cruz.

[John C. Dvorak]

If the government gets in the business of saying we don't say what you, the media have said, we're going to ban you from the airwaves. If you don't say what we like, that will end up bad for conservatives.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so let's just go through a couple things which are not really exposed at all or discussed, and let's listen first to what Jimmy Kimmel actually said. We hit some new lows over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything, everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving on Friday, the white.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so the actual offense as it's being determined, and we'll get into it, is this beginning part and the second part is what everybody's focused on.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to, to score political points from and in between.

[Adam Curry]

So that was the, the true offense was saying that this was a MAGA guy. He's saying it in reverse, but he's kind of saying that. And then we go into the, the comedy portion, the finger pointing, there was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grieving on Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this. My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks, they just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction, demolition, construction.

[Adam Curry]

This is not how an adult grieves.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Murderer of someone he called a friend.

[Adam Curry]

This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish. Okay. It was offensive towards the President because really, you know that. I don't know if the President even heard the first bit that the, that the reporter asked, like, you know, the murder of Charlie. Sorry about the murder of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up? Or Maybe he's an 80 year old who's like, huh, what? Yeah, I'm doing great. Look at the construction over there. I don't know, but that's fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's what it seems like.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's, here's the full clip of that in context.

[John C. Dvorak]

My condolences you, sir. My condolences on the lodge of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir?

[Adam Curry]

I think very see it really? I mean that's from the, that's standing next to the President. It's a different camera angle. It's kind of hard to hear what he said, but regardless. So then Brendan Carr, the FCC chairman, goes on the Benny Johnson podcast and shoots his mouth off. Although technically I believe he is correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a very concerted effort to try to lie to the American people about the nature, as you indicate, of one of the most significant newsworthy public interest.

[Adam Curry]

Acts that we've seen in a long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time in what appears to be in action, appears to be an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into that narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or Republican motivated person. If that's what happened here with his conduct, that is, that is really, really sick. And I've been very clear, patient. They have a license granted by us at the FCC and that comes with it, an obligation to operate in the public interest. And we can get into some ways that we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest and some changes that we've seen. But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way. These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action, frankly, on Kimmel or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.

[Adam Curry]

So kind of a dumb statement because it did sound threatening. But what people don't understand is how the system works because everyone just watches stuff on X or you watch it maybe on YouTube TV. This is legacy, legacy of spectrum, which is very valuable. You know, you probably read about auctions, oh, billion dollars here, $10 billion here, 17. I think Starlink just bought some spectrum from somebody else for $17 billion. So the broadcast spectrum is owned by all of us, the taxpayers. And the licensing requirements are very clear, although they really have not ever been enforced because most presidents and administrations have been afraid of the media. Like, well, you know, if we start to mess with them then, you know, they'll say bad things about me. Well, I don't think President Trump has anything to lose in that manner. And it really is not the networks. It's each local individual station that has a transmitter which if they just turned those off and went, you know, full digital, they would not have to deal with any of this yet. Well, yet that's true. So there's a few requirements. First of all, you have to be a citizen, can't be a foreign government. This is why Rupert Murdoch became an American character. An applicant must act honestly. Intentional misrepresentations greatly increase the risk of license denial or non renewal. Criminal conduct may or may not disqualify an applicant when reviewing competing applications. An applicant who has no character issues more likely to receive license than one with legal violations, et cetera. Financial requirements and there's technical requirements. But there is, there are some very specific laws about what you can and can't broadcast. So first, let's continue with Benny. These are all short with Benny Johnson and Brendan Carr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously, look, there's calls for Kim will be fired. I think, you know, you could certainly see a path forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at. Again, you know, we may ultimately be called to be a judge on that. But this also strikes me sort of conduct that to some extent shows some sort of desperate irrelevance. I mean, look, NPR has been defunded, PBS has been defunded, Colbert is retiring. Joy Reid is out at msnbc. Terry Moran has gone from ABC and so now admitting that they are biased. CBS has now made some commitments to us that they're going to return to more fact based journalism. And so I think you see some lashing out from people like Kimmel who are frankly talentless.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's like this is a podcast and he thinks that no one watches Benny Johnson or I'll do, I'll do this quick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Benny Johnson, big podcast.

[Adam Curry]

He's a big. Of course he is. Although man, go look at his YouTube channel. You know he does what all the with the YouTube channel. If you want to just find the Brendan Carr interview, good luck because every image is AI generated of outrage looking people. You know that because that's what you have to do in order for the algorithms to pick it up and people to click on. Oh, there's an outrage clip. Oh, I got to check that out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So before you continue, I want to comment on that clip. The way he cavalierly says that PBS and NPR have been defunded is ridiculous. They're not defunded at all. They're not even close to being defunded. What he meant to say or should have said was that the government's not giving them any more subsidies and that amounts to 1% of their budget. So how is that defunded? It's not.

[Adam Curry]

He's an idiot. In line with Tom Benny.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's an idiot. He should be fired.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he might get fired, but. And maybe this was intentional. I don't know. It doesn't seem like. It seems like he's just shooting his mouth off. And as a commissioner, that's not your job. We finally know his.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're absolutely correct. This guy should not be on a podcast at all. He should just like all these. A lot of people that during this, the Kirk. The Kirk era, they should just shut up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here he is with the actual rules and regulations. And then I have a few things to read.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a rule on the book that interprets a public interest standard that says news distortion is something that is prohibited. Likewise, we have a rule that addresses broadcast hoaxes. And so again, over the years, the FCC has stepped back from enforcing it. And I don't think it's been to the benefit of anybody. Just look at the credibility of these legacy media. It's absolutely through the floor. They used to be able to say at least they are more trustworthy than Congress, but now they're even less trustworthy than Congress. And so I think, as a business matter for them, something has to change. And at the fcc, you know, we need to reinvigorate this. So again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly, I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to preempt. We are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out. Because we, we licensed broadcaster, are running the possibility of fines or license revocation from the FCC if we continue to run content that ends up being a pattern of news distortion. So I think, again, Disney needs to see some change here. But the individual license stations that are taking their content, it's time for them to step up and say this garbage to the extent that that's what comes down the pipe in the future isn't something that we think serves the needs of our local communities.

[Adam Curry]

So just so we understand, the FCC can't pull anything away from abc, NBC, cbs. They can only pull away from individual stations. And the renewal period is every eight years. And it's a real thing. It really happens. And usually it's like eh, whatever, just keep on going. But the citizens who are in the market of a transmitter, they are the ones who can file complaints. And I'm sure they filed plenty of complaints against the View and Kimmel. There's a lot of people, particularly our age and older, who sit home going, ah, these guys, I'm gonna file a complaint with the fcc. You know that that happens. And the.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm at the point, if I wasn't doing this podcast, I'd be doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. You'd be writing letters to the president on your, on your typewriter. No. So this is, it's very valid that a lot of these stations who are getting their complaints are saying, well you know, this is kind of a problem because I think it's in 2028 is when a lot of them come up for renewal. Like well, you know, if you look at the balance and if you really look at the laws, the laws, then you know, I can see where they would be worried. And Brendan Carr obviously threw some gasoline on the fire. Now there is another very specific. It's in U. S. Law 7047 CFR 73.1217. Now I certainly defer. Oops, sorry, that's not the one it's he talks about here.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a rule on the book that interprets a public interest standard that says news distortion is something that is prohibited. Likewise, we have a rule that addresses broadcast hoaxes. And so again, over the years the FCC has stepped back from enforcing it. And I don't think it's been to the benefit of anybody. Just look at the credibility of these legacy media. It's absolutely through the floor. They used to be able to say at least they were more trustworthy than congress, but now they're even less trustworthy than congress. And so I think as a business matter for them, something has to change. And at the fcc, you know, we need to reinvigorate this. So again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to Preempt. We are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out. Because.

[Adam Curry]

Did I just play that? I think I just played that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you played it twice in a row.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay, so the law is no licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or catastrophe. If the licensee. This is number one. If the licensee knows this information is false. Well, that's kind of difficult to prove.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is tough.

[Adam Curry]

That's a tough one to prove. If it is foreseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm. Hmm, maybe, maybe not. Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm. This is kind of what they call the hoax, the hoax rule. So, you know, obviously no one should say anything because we don't know the exact origin. They didn't at that time. Certainly not know anything about this kid. But, you know, when you're talking someone who's saying, I'm sorry, my love, and is living with a trans person is probably not a maga, you know, so. Probably not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably not. And his mom said he wasn't, you.

[Adam Curry]

Can make a case that that was broadcasting false information. But it comes down to a balance.

[John C. Dvorak]

But again, as we pointed out in the last show, we had clips that indicated that that operation is so filled with liberals and siloed people, not bubble. I decided I was thinking about these terms, silo versus bubble, Bubbles, pop. Silos don't siloed people that all believe something. And so I think they were totally sincere. It was definitely wasn't a hoax.

[Adam Curry]

Well, news distortion is another part of a different rule on the books. And this is the final question short. Do you believe that what Jimmy Kimmel said rises to the level of news distortion?

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, again, the FC could be called upon to be an ultimate judge in that. But at this point, I think it's, you know, clear. It appears to be clear that you could make a strong argument that this is sort of an intentional effort to mislead the American people about a very core fundamental fact, a very important matter. At the end of the day, if we do get called upon to cast a vote on this, Disney will have a chance to put in their arguments and explain it. But, you know, this is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney.

[Adam Curry]

Right, so serious issue for Disney, but he has no power over Disney. He only has rule a decision making over license renewal, which would come up in 2028, which he probably wouldn't even be there anymore if a Democrat president is in the administration, et cetera. Et cetera. So it's all kind of hypothetical. Here's Brendan Carr explaining himself on cnbc, where all truth comes out. Now, I heard of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before or after?

[Adam Curry]

This is, this is after the podcast. Yeah, this was in fact Thursday. Now, I certainly defer to the decision making of the company itself in terms of saying this was beyond the bounds. But I do wonder, and I think many people do, whether you really are just targeting comedians, you know, who typically through the years have made fun of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Political figures in a way that. Because the President simply is offended by it. No, not all. Look again, again, broadcast TV is different. We're on a cable show right now. You don't have an FCC license, you don't have an obligation to serve the public interest. Podcasts don't either. Stand up comedians, whether they're on lots of forms of communications, don't. And Kimmel is free to do that. But if you have a broadcast TV license, that means that you have something that very few people have and you're excluding other people from having access to that valuable public resource. And it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest. And again, over the years, there's been a rule in place at the FCC that local TV stations get to preempt programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities. But recently, these national programmers, abc, Disney, Comcast, NBC, they've been exercising out size, control and power over those local TV stations, and there's been no pushback. And this is a very significant moment because local, local broadcasters now pushing back on national programmers for the first time that I can think of in modern history. That's one of the things we want at the fcc. We want to empower local broadcasters that have the public interest obligation to push back on national programmers so that people have more choice.

[Adam Curry]

Now, this was interesting to me because.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not.

[Adam Curry]

Do you know anything about that relationship? Are these local broadcast stations, are they, are they slaves of the networks? Do they have their hands on their nuts, so to speak?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they slaves to the networks? I think to some extent they are, because we had a situation in the Bay Area where one of our stations, kron, which was the NBC affiliate, was kicked off, was replaced by a station that I think at the time was in Sacramento, and they moved to San Jose, kntv. And it had to do with the, you know, all of a sudden the network wanted to charge more money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And, well, there, there it is. It comes down to money and money issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you. Well, and by the way, this, this one thing that's not mentioned here and it should be mentioned is the Disney thing is a little more complicated than what's being presented because there's also a deal that is going to have to be approved by the Trump administration at some point in time. Coming up.

[Adam Curry]

What is the Disney deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Disney deal. Disney's trying to buy via espn. They're trying to buy NFL Networks.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, what is. Oh, that would be a. Anti. Anti competitive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Because it brings the NFL, you know, more NFL games over espn and, and this is a big deal.

[Adam Curry]

No one talks about that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's talked about in sports circles.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. As far as I'm concerned, no one talks about that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do talk about it. It's been talked about.

[Adam Curry]

No, I know, but because it's sports. Hello. But let's follow the money. I think these affiliates have been asking for. Probably since the writers, probably since the writers strike. They've been saying, hey, abc, can you take this guy off? We could do reruns of Hogan's Heroes and make a lot more profit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just to back you up on that, if you had looked at the newsletter. I did, I did when it came out.

[Adam Curry]

When it came out, sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it came out. If you got one. There is a chart in there showing the unbelievable fallout of the audiences for these late night shows. It is so bad.

[Adam Curry]

How bad is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's bad. They've dropped. I'd say 90% of their audience has been lost. And Kimmel was losing 40. I mean, they say that Colbert, which was overstaffed, was losing 100 million a year. Kimmel was losing 40, 40 million a year. Just down the drain. And the audience is not showing any signs of recovery. All three networks.

[Adam Curry]

And there you have it. The bottom line is that Disney didn't want the backlash. They didn't want, you know, just wanted to get rid of Kimmel. I'm sure NBC wants to get rid of Fallon because of this very issue. It's not precisely.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right about Hogan's Heroes, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's very.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hogan's Heroes reruns would get more audience. It's cheap.

[Adam Curry]

It's cheap content. You could put Friends and it's cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's free. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So this is a money issue. They've been probably saying this for a long time. And oh, by the way, our audience gets mad and that's why they're not watching anymore, because your guy is just making fun of their guy. This has been a money issue. And Brendan Carr empowered them, particularly nexstar and what's the other outfit who used to be headquartered here in Austin?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I know the other one that was upset was Sinclair, but I don't think they were in Austin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're in Austin.

[John C. Dvorak]

They weren't in Austin, were they?

[Adam Curry]

Their headquarters in Austin or.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was broadcasting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was. Ron Bloom and I went there. No, Ron Bloom and I went there. We pitched them on something a long time ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. And it was. Yeah, well, that's news to me.

[Adam Curry]

Well. And we talk with a muckety muck.

[John C. Dvorak]

A muckety muck.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, a muckety muck. A true muckety muck. So the only guy who, of course, in a way, well, he waffles a bit at the end. But Rand Paul talked to Kristen Welker from NBC, and he just called it straight up as it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you want to ask you, broadly speaking, about free speech?

[Adam Curry]

Free speech, freedom of speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to play something that President Trump promised during his inaugural address, followed by comments that he made just this week.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I forgot to harp on the president for this comment during his inaugural speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, I will also sign an executive order to immediately stop all government censorship.

[Adam Curry]

And bring back free speech, freedom of speech to America.

[John C. Dvorak]

When somebody is given 90, 97% of the stories are bad about a person that's no longer free speech. That's no longer. That's just cheating. Senator, do you believe that President Trump is sending the message that he only.

[Adam Curry]

Supports free speech when it's speech that he agrees with?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is why it's kind of rich for Governor Shapiro also to come on and be outraged by censorship. Was he asleep for the four years of the Biden administration when they did have censorship, the FBI, Department of Homeland.

[Adam Curry]

Security were sent to the offices of Twitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were sent to the offices of Facebook. Facebook was told to take down information concerning the origins of the COVID virus or they were being threatened with remove.

[Adam Curry]

Their liability protection or being threatened with being broken up by antitrust. So we have had official censorship going.

[John C. Dvorak]

On for many years now, and everybody on the left just looked the other way. They actually had an office, an office of censorship. So I applaud Trump for bringing that down now. Saying we're going after the FCC licenses is wrong and inconsistent with that. I applaud Trump for getting rid of the censorship office in our government, but I think people should discontinue this idea of policing hate speech or sending the FCC after networks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, both of those are in his. In his crosshairs, and rightly so, because they're morons. Brendan Carr is dumb and Palm Bandy maybe even dumber. The thing that's amazing though is that where ABC thought wow, this is great. We can dodge the bullet of getting rid of Kimmel because oh there's, you know, the only young people we have are the ones watching. What is it, the 0.0.7 rating. I think it's almost nothing. More people listen in the demographic 18 to 49. More people listen to no Agenda show. It's really, it's really that bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is, it's that bad.

[Adam Curry]

But what's happened is because of the hatred towards Trump from the, I guess your typical ABC late night viewer, they've gotten the ire of all of their fans and not just people who like Kimmel, but Disney fans and Disney fans. I mean the, I know, I'm sure you know some Disney fans. These are people who do pilgrimages, you know the big buses. They, they love Disney. Anything that's Disney, they'll watch every movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I tell you something?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I know a lot of people like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do not know one person like that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's interesting. I know a lot of people like that. Obviously there's a lot of die hard Disney fans and they are revolting. Not as in their kind of revolting too, but they are revolting.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have to be revolting.

[Adam Curry]

They're revolting against abc. Here's a, a, here's an example of some tick tock dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay everybody. So I as of today I canceled my Hulu, my Disney plus my Paramount.

[Adam Curry]

I never had espn.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would have canceled it anyway. I cut up my Disney credit card. My Disney annual pass to the park has expired. I was going, I was thinking of renewing it.

[Adam Curry]

I will not be renewing it. I refuse to save on any Disney property.

[John C. Dvorak]

I refuse to eat at any Disney establishment. That is my little way of protesting.

[Adam Curry]

My right to the first Amendment.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they're doing on now becoming state.

[Adam Curry]

Run media is getting rid of everyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

That disagrees with the current administration and that I have to draw the line. I mean there are other things but.

[Adam Curry]

This my right to say whatever I want to say. Being taken away now what I could watch what I can't watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that doesn't flow with me. So only way to get back at them. It's got to get back at Disney. Got to get back at ABC because they coward to a bully. So they basically told them to get rid of these people. Stephen Colbert was first, Jimmy Kimmel second.

[Adam Curry]

They will go after more also Daytime state run media.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the beginning. It's happening now. It's happened before.

[Adam Curry]

North Korea, China, Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

State run media as of today, 1930s, 1940s, Nazi Germany.

[Adam Curry]

Hitler became chancellor.

[John C. Dvorak]

First thing he did, went after radio, went after the print, the newspapers. State run media told the people what.

[Adam Curry]

They can watch, what they can't watch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry. Only way to make them feel it in the pocketbook. I canceled it all. What this brings to to mind is something that you and Mo discussed some years ago about the, about the, the idea that we're not going to hire people, anything like this because the long term effects are so negative. This was some time ago when you talked about don't hire a black person because it's going to be trouble down the road. This is the price you're going to have to pay if you're going to hire liberals at the level of Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, because you get the price that now they're paying the price and they're going to pay the price for when they get rid of the View. They should have not had the shows on in the first place. Is what's going to be the rationale for never hiring anybody like that again. This is not the way to go about this.

[Adam Curry]

And it's worse because now big stars, big stars actually. Cynthia Nixon, you know Sex and the City. Sure, but she's in Gilded Age, a runaway hit series. And here's her little 30 second bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, I just canceled my Disney plus and Hulu subscriptions and they asked me why I hit other. And I wrote because I believe in the first Amendment.

[Adam Curry]

Reinstate Jimmy Kimmel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now my whole family is really going to miss Abbott Elementary.

[Adam Curry]

We are really gonna miss only murders in the building. But you know what?

[John C. Dvorak]

We would miss the first amendment a whole lot more. Don't go to the theme parks, don't go on the cruises. Cancel your subscriptions now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is. They are definitely paying the price.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, they're paying the price. If they hadn't had Kimmel in the first place, this wouldn't happen. That's the, that's the irony. Now since we're talking about first amendment stuff, I do have one clip in this.

[Adam Curry]

I have one more in my sequence here. The last one which relates to the woke guy talking about this is what Stalin did, this is what Hitler did. This is state run, state controlled media. You want to hear about state controlled media? Woke boy. This is my new friend Katie Hopkins. Remember I met her. Katie Hopkins was here in Fredericksburg.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's your pal now.

[Adam Curry]

She's my buddy now. Yes. And she was right down the. Right down the road doing an interview with Lara Logan, Going Rogue with Laura Logan. And listen to this. But my comedy shows, do they allow people to laugh at the things you're not allowed to say? Because I can just about get away with saying them now in the guise of comedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's a.

[Adam Curry]

It's a fine line. I was arrested and interviewed under caution. I haven't spoken about this yet. About three weeks ago, and I'm waiting to be charged for the crime of online communications, crime of speech, for my Katie's. I do a pub night online called the Katie's Arms.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the Katie's Arms.

[Adam Curry]

So I've been arrested for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see.

[Adam Curry]

Because of what I said on my Katie's Arms pub. So she. That's her. Her live stream where she drinks wine. You ever seen it? No, she's just. It's just her. In her. In her apartment, she's drinking wine, she's making snide remarks. Yeah. And they arrested her for something she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Adam Curry]

That's Hitler. That's the stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. And that's what's going on in the UK right now. I mean, when Lynham was arrested and he's not even a UK citizen that I. I think he's Irish or he might be, Scott. But whatever the case is that comes into Heathrow, I think, and I said it on the show, a couple show last show or the show before that, I think Americans that do a lot of tweeting could possibly just be picked up when they show up at Heathrow.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, well, it's funny you bring that up, because I have a clip of an American now. She's not at Heathrow. She already is living in the uk and this is. You know, GB News is making a big deal this. She's. She's a member of something called the Free Speech Union, which is probably strike one. Here she is as a cop comes to her house. I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and I'm an American citizen. Something that we believe you've written on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Facebook has upset someone. You're here because somebody got upset.

[Adam Curry]

Is it against the law?

[John C. Dvorak]

Am I being arrested? You're not being arrested. Then what are you doing here? My plan was, if you were admitting.

[Adam Curry]

That it was you who wrote the comment, you could just make an apology to the person.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a post apologizing to anybody. I can tell you that alternative would.

[Adam Curry]

Be that I have to call you for an interview. I'M here to talk to you about the allegation.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've reported it to the police. So what?

[Adam Curry]

Obviously, we get a lot of reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are there no houses that have been burgled recently? No rapes, no murders? Yeah, that's all going on as well. That's. Well, then why aren't you out there doing, you know, investigating those?

[Adam Curry]

Because I want to investigate everything that gets reported. Well, you're not investigating houses being burgled.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's not my job today.

[Adam Curry]

You like to have a look at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The comment that I'm. I don't need to.

[Adam Curry]

I know exactly the thing. Things I've said. So the cop shows up at her house to talk to her about what she posted, and if she just goes along with him and apologizes to the person she offended, then the problem goes away. Otherwise, you have to come downtown, we have to interview you. By the way, didn't she sound a bit like Mimi?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not. Not to me. No, to me, he sounded very nervous and pissed. Well, no, which does sound a little like Mimi, but.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, which is like. I know exactly what I said, you know, I'm not apologizing to anybody. I could see Mimi saying that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's that. Yeah, well, that would definitely be. The wordage would be similar.

[Adam Curry]

So, you know, it's like, come on. But anyway, you had. You wanted to go to a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I want to get this. We're talking about free speech, and I.

[Adam Curry]

Freedom of speech. I'm not going to allow it to say free speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know why freedom of speech, as opposed to free speech is so.

[Adam Curry]

Important to you, because one of these days they're going to write some legislation that's going to be free speech, and it'll be something different than the First Amendment. This happens all the time now. It's different now. Hate speech, like hate speech. That. That just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hate of speech.

[Adam Curry]

Hate. Hate speech. Hate speech kind of just crept in all of a sudden, and then we have our attorney general talking about it. So, no, it's freedom of speech to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's awkward structure to say freedom of speech when you mean free speech.

[Adam Curry]

I don't mean that. Free speech is this podcast. This is free. Free speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Free speech.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free speech podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we had discussed Harvey Levin trying to get out of the fact that his. His audience cheered.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. No, not his audience, his staff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not his audience. His staff. His entire staff cheered when Charlie Kirk was killed and he came on sheepishly saying, well, nobody like that. They weren't cheering about that. Nobody would be working here if they were that way. Blah, blah, blah. And I've gotten plenty of evidence. I've seen him go on and off on Trump all the time. So listen to now. So they bring up the Kimmel thing on the show and tell me that this guy didn't just hire people that hated. I mean, they're just, you can tell that this whole operation is staffed by these types of people. They're all a bunch of liberals to an extreme. Just listen to Harvey in the background during this teaser. This is the beginning of a segment on Kimmel. And Harvey going, as they're talking about free speech, he keeps saying rip, rip. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

It is a new day in America. A day where it feels like more than ever free speech and the first.

[John C. Dvorak]

First Amendment. Rip. Some people are saying RIP to the First Amendment.

[Adam Curry]

After Jimmy Kimmel was officially suspended, but suspended indefinitely by abc. Well, that's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that was a bit much. And he was beside himself. Rip, rip. And they did a teaser with rip, rip. So, like he's going to be censored. I mean, he could get fired because of course not.

[Adam Curry]

He's a Jew. The Jews run the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

No way.

[Adam Curry]

It's never going to happen. He has nothing to worry about. Rip, rip, rip. Brother. He is, yes. His problem is he's a douche. And. Well, you don't actually watch tmz, do you? Just picked up that clip somewhere. I'm sure you don't watch it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I occasionally watch it because I think it's. I like the structure of the show. I find it fascinating that Harvey, who is very petite male. A lot of people you don't realize.

[Adam Curry]

It because, oh, is he now? He's a petite male.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is a petite, petite male. Really. And compared, I mean he. And usually he's behind like a fence or behind a barrier and he's kind of leaning over drinking a soda. But when he comes out and stands amongst the others, he is the petite. He's a petite male. He works out a little bit. But I would like to see him next to Greg Gutfeld. And I wonder which one of the two is shorter.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, small people with big heads are very successful on television.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the rule.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to lead you into your clips with a 40 second setup. The Pentagon will now require credentialed journalists to sign a pledge to refrain from reporting on stories that have not been authorized for release, including unclassified information. The newly Named Department of War, detailed in a 17 page memo that journalists who do not abide by the new policy will risk losing their access. The new restrictions come as the Trump administration beefs up its attacks on the media landscape. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth stated that reporters will also no longer be allowed to freely roam the halls, adding that they must either follow the rules or go home. US Journalists have denounced the new measures as unconstitutional, calling them an attack on the First Amendment which guarantees freedom of the press. So the press somehow believes that freedom of the press, which by the way, that no one calls it free press, you'll notice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they do.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Barry Weiss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Freedom of the press has nothing to do with where you walk or what you, what you can grab. It has to do with what you can say.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can roam the halls of the Pentagon, barging into whatever office you want.

[Adam Curry]

Well, clearly that's what they think. As according to Euro news. That's what, oh, they're all up in arms because we can't walk, walk around the halls. That's we have freedom of the press, man. Free press. Free press.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free press is what my Chinese laundry does. Pentagon clamped and this is from npr. There's only two clips, but they summarize it. I think press corps that covers it. There are some new rules to follow. That is if they want to keep their official credentials that allow them to report from inside the building. It is worth noting the move came at the end of a week where the Trump administration took aim at First Amendment rights on several fronts. President Trump tried to sue the New York Times. ABC took late night host Jimmy Kimmel off the airwaves after the chairman of the FCC threatened the network stations unless they acted against the longtime Trump critic. Trump also warned that broadcasters who air the voices of critics like Kimmel should lose their licenses. Joining us to explain what this latest what I know, but this is so slanted.

[Adam Curry]

We just played the actual clip of what he said. He didn't. There was none of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. This is great. Critic Trump also warned that broadcasters who air the voices of critics like Kimmel should lose their licenses. Joining us to explain what this latest move at the Pentagon means for reporters and for the rest of us is NPR media correspondent David Folkenflick. Hi, David. Hey, Scott. Tell us what exactly the new rule is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, Pete Hegseth came in as the Pentagon chief.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a former Fox and Friends weekend host and he promised that it would be the most transparent Pentagon in history. Instead, they've had very few press Briefings.

[Adam Curry]

And now and they threw out by.

[John C. Dvorak]

The way, a number of media organizations.

[Adam Curry]

From their slots at the Pentagon, including NPR and the Washington Post, the New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now they're saying that reporters who want to report from inside the building have to pledge never to divulge or even gather any information that the Pentagon.

[Adam Curry]

Hasn'T authorized for release.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and that's including unclassified information. I mean that just doesn't sound like reporting. It doesn't sound like reporting. It doesn't sound like the kind of reporters you and I know. I mean these are people who often have done this for many years. Many of them have covered military conflict and wars in faraway zones and have gotten to know military personnel from the grunts to the multi star generals and commanders and have gone through corridors and.

[Adam Curry]

Hallways and knocked on doors not only.

[John C. Dvorak]

To get scoops, but just to get.

[Adam Curry]

Expertise and understanding of the kinds of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stories they're trying to bring to the.

[Adam Curry]

American public and to the military personnel themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

How are the news organizations that cover the Pentagon responding to this?

[Adam Curry]

Now let me just say something to these hoity toity's here for a second. I would be on board with what you're saying if for the past 15 years, maybe even for the entire length of our free free speech podcast, we hadn't been inundated with complete non journalistic reports of sources. Say I went to college for three months for communications. And what I learned right off the bat from Vanita Zinn, who was my professor. You need to have two sources on the record to report something on the record. We haven't heard an on the record in over a decade. So you're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Try two decades. Try two decades.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, possibly. Right, so. Well this was also 1985, I think. No, try four decades, whatever. So get out of here with your. Whoa, you know this is not how reporters up. Yeah, that's exactly how reporters operate. You take leaks from all kinds of people with agendas from inside the building, which is the problem of course. And you know we don't want you doing that anymore. Yeah, okay, fine. I just look at the sales numbers. How are we doing? Do we sell any stuff to Ukraine? Yeah, it's good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's about right. But yes, I think all that is is correct. And they've, they've kind of, they've gotten lazy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know what they could have done if because of the Internet. Yes, you're right. Lazy is the word it used to be according to the Uganda Times. Now those are the good Old days when you had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's when the CIA could plant a story in the Uganda Times and they just pick it up.

[Adam Curry]

They don't even do that anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Supposed to do it.

[Adam Curry]

They don't even do that anymore. Circular reporting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. I haven't seen a report from the Uganda Times forever.

[Adam Curry]

It's happened. I'm telling the Uganda. Is the. Is there an actual Uganda Times? I think there is a Uganda Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

There probably is. Okay, let's go to the. Finish this up. Scott. I think it's very striking that none of the TV networks that I've reached out to, including Fox News itself, cbs.

[Adam Curry]

NBC, cnn, have said anything publicly, issued any public statements.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, our new editor in chief, Tommy Evans, as well as Matt Murray, the executive editor of the Washington Post and the New York Times corporately have released strong statements saying that this goes against First Amendment principles. There's something called prior restraint.

[Adam Curry]

That is that the government preventing the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Press or broadcasters from reporting the news before it's actually reported. That was taken more than 50 years ago to the Supreme Court, which upheld the idea that the government cannot do that in the Pentagon Papers case involving the Nixon administration. I mean, this makes it harder for us. Hold on, hold on. This is a conflation of prior restraint. Means you can't stop the paper from printing a story, Right. That's ready to go to the press. It's got nothing to do with walking into offices, knocking on doors, and then shooting his shit with some guy who's bored stiff at his desk. I mean, come on.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, there is most definitely a Uganda Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's just the Times everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Bring the news before it's actually reported. That was taken more than 50 years ago to the Supreme Court, which upheld the idea that the government cannot do that in the Pentagon Papers case in the. Involving the Nixon administration. I mean, this makes it harder for us, the reporters who cover Washington, to do our jobs. David, why do you think people who read the news, who listen to the news, who watch the news or just see it scroll by on their social media feed should care about this development? Well, reporters are trying to give the.

[Adam Curry]

American people an accurate understanding of what our military is doing, what is, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, how our military are treated and.

[Adam Curry]

What'S being done with their taxpayer dollars. Take the attack by the Trump administration and Defense Department against what they've characterized as Venezuelan drug boats. There's been some question about that and there have been some lawmakers in Capitol Hill, both parties who've raised questions about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Legality of that. Clearly, Hegseth would like to control what.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of information gets out about that now. Contentious things.

[John C. Dvorak]

The idea of the strikes on nuclear sites in Iran. The military told us they were incredibly successful.

[Adam Curry]

In subsequent days and weeks we heard maybe not so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, the question is, what kinds of information is the American people getting?

[Adam Curry]

I don't think the Pentagon gets to decide what we learn about the Pentagon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. So in other words, the shooting of the drug boats, for example. To understand how that works, we have to have a guy roaming the halls and the Pentagon just going randomly from door to door. Are you kidding me?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I need freedom of the press. The Uganda Times is owned by the government of Uganda here. 26.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad you took a deep dive into the Uganda Times. For some unknown reason, out of the blue, in the middle of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's interesting that 26% is owned by the Ministry of State for Finance. 26% owned by the Ministry of Finance, Planning and economic development. 19%, the National Social Security Fund. This is. They have it split up. A different minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

So everyone gets to put their two bits.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's probably the way to go. Yeah, that's your state media for a state run. Yeah, we don't have that here.

[Adam Curry]

Not yet. Not yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

The New York Times is like owned by Saudis and a Mexican. I mean, come on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. By the way, the Netherlands is on fire. People have finally had it with the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's interesting with the asylum seekers, you got clips, it's all in Dutch, so. No, there's a lot of fireworks and yelling and fighting and setting stuff on fire. But what's interesting is the main protesters who went to the Hague, where the government is. There's this big open, open field called Mollyvelt, and that's where you do your demonstration. You know, that's the place to go. So you get thousands and thousands of people, the majority of them who were all dressed in black with the skull masks. Football. Football. Supporters of different teams, sometimes even rivals. They banded together to say that they are sick of it. They've had enough. They fought the cops, they set stuff on fire. It's. It's kicking off.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yes. I mean. Take my bike. Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take my bike.

[Adam Curry]

Where's my bike, man?

[John C. Dvorak]

I forgot. Yes, I gotta. That's my theme. I don't know. You picked it up. You stole it.

[Adam Curry]

I did not. It's my theme. We won't. Where's. Where's my bike has always been My theme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, people go back and catch some clips of me bitching about the bikes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, all right, I'll give it to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, just a little aside here. Yeah, I think you'll be interested in this. This is right up your alley.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to the moon. As early as next spring, NASA hopes to send astronauts back to the moon.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we can't wait for this to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Orbit the moon, at least. Okay, hold on a second. Before we play these clips, the more. The more of these that come out, the more I'm starting to take your side on the original. Only I've got. I'm now wondering. You had this thing you used to do to soft pedal you. Oh, we never went to the moon. Which is not an unusual commentary. We had a famous pharmacist in the area that was a big advocate of this. But I think your original thesis was we never went to the moon, but we went later to the later because they went seven times or six.

[Adam Curry]

Someone look that up and get some clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think. I think that could be documented. And I'm beginning to think that we maybe never went.

[Adam Curry]

We didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ever.

[Adam Curry]

We didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not even for the later. No. The whole thing, even risky.

[Adam Curry]

Even Elon Musk says that he would have to refuel. They don't. The whole thing is a big, massive hoax. And now even the scientists at NASA, who are so young.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here's what. Besides the losing the tapes and all the rest of it. But here's what bothers me about these two clips that I have is why are we doing what they're gonna describe? What do we need any of this for the way they're describing it. Listen to this clip. As early as next spring, NASA hopes to send astronauts back to the moon to orbit the moon, at least the next step in a long plan to return to lunar landings and eventually to set foot on Mars. Commander Reid Wiseman and the rest of the Crew of Artemis 2 have been training for years. When we leave planet Earth, we're zero miles an hour.

[Adam Curry]

And then when we come back in the atmosphere, we're doing 39 times the speed of sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

We profiled the Artemis II astronauts on the show about a year ago. But on a mission like theirs, the people in space are just one part of a massive operation. In fact, right now, NASA is recruiting volunteers here on Earth to help track the spacecraft as it makes its way to the moon and back.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wait. Bring in some ham radio operators.

[John C. Dvorak]

Volunteers like Scott Chapman helped NASA keep tabs on the automated uncrewed Artemis 1 mission in 2022. After the spacecraft was no longer in sight, I assembled all those numbers into the format NASA asked for and uploaded it to their computer. Chapman is an IT specialist in Virginia and he mainly helps small businesses with compute issues. But briefly, in 2022, he got to moonlight as a spacecraft tracker. The spacecraft is transmitting at a fixed frequency. However, when a transmitter and receiver are moving in relation to each other, either getting farther apart or coming closer together, the received frequency changes coming towards you. The frequency seems to be getting higher and then as it goes away from you, the frequency of what you hear gets lower, it goes past you and radio signals do the exact same thing. Chapman is widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves. He goes by his FCC issued handle, k4kdr, much in the way he's not.

[Adam Curry]

Even an extra loser.

[John C. Dvorak]

Widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves, he goes by his FCC issued handle k4kdr, much in the way local television might be designated as whatever the. Would you call that a handle?

[Adam Curry]

No, that's his call sign.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's not a handle. It's like, oh, we have our local NBC station here and their handle is, you know, kntv. It's not a handle.

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking him up right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I look him up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm looking him up in QRZ is where I'm looking him up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call sign of that local station is then the amateur radio hobby.

[Adam Curry]

That is essentially your name on the radio.

[John C. Dvorak]

With his antenna up, he learned NASA was looking for operators to assist in navigating Artemis 1. He wanted it.

[Adam Curry]

Now, this confused me a little bit. He says the further away you get, the frequency changes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, as you know, it's like the train coming and going past, you know, past you as the, as you're, as you're accelerating away.

[Adam Curry]

Sound. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, the frequency would. No, it's the same as sound and you know, sounds a frequency. So as you're going away, the, the frequency that the signal would be transmitting would be changing, it would be lengthening and as it's coming towards you, it would be, it would be compressing. And so you're going to have these different. The frequency is going to alter just enough that you need a ham in the middle of nowhere to do this because we couldn't do it in 1969. I don't know how they got the signals back and forth.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, but the shift is minute. I mean, that's like side.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would think it would be Fairly small.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that the double doing a million miles an hour?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's very minute. Very, very minimal because, you know, we bounce signals off the ionosphere and there's, you know. Yeah, you tune it a little bit. We're talking minor kilohertz variation. Let me listen to that last bit again from this nerd with, with his baseball cap on backwards.

[John C. Dvorak]

The spacecraft is transmitting at a fixed frequen. However, when a transmitter and receiver are moving in relation to each other, either getting farther apart or coming closer together, the received frequency changes coming towards you. The frequency seems to be getting higher, and then as it goes away from you, the frequency of what you hear gets lower as it goes past you and radio signal do the exact same thing. Chapman is widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves. He goes by his FCC issued handle, k4kdr, much in the way local television might be designated as whatever the call sign of that local station is in the amateur radio hobby, that is essentially your name on the radio. With his antenna up, he learned NASA was looking for operators to assist in navigating Artemis 1. He wanted.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Your point is well made. It's like you have a $24.6 billion budget, but we gotta get ham radio, guys. OK, sure. I'm logging into my QRZ account to get this guy's full details.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, go. I thought you'd have it by now. So while you're doing that, let's play part two.

[Adam Curry]

I forgot my credentials, but I have it in my package. Password manager.

[John C. Dvorak]

At first glance, it seems overwhelming. Certainly a person living in a poll, it was overwhelming, but it wasn't overwhelming in 1969, but it's overwhelming today.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you taking my gig, man? It's like all of a sudden you're. You're on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm just annoyed by this, these sorts of reports and how everybody's breathless about it, as though, oh, okay, that makes sense. It doesn't make sense at all. At first glance, it seems overwhelming. Certainly a person living in a rural area of Virginia isn't going to be capable of monitoring the signals and reporting the data that they are looking for. But I thought to myself, wouldn't it be nice if this project had one participant who had a very small system? So I went ahead and replied and much to my surprise, was selected for the program. Chapman's job, tracking the signals beamed down from the automated spacecraft as it orbited the Earth. As a hobbyist, he had the tools. Good enough for NASA, I did have a 1 meter dish which you can hold in your hands and that was mounted on a rotator on my roof. So in the eyes of the people managing that program, they determined that I was mate be capable of receiving the signal. And ultimately I did. Applications to help track the next mission, one filled with astronauts traveling further from Earth than any human has in 50 years, are due in late October.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a bunch of nonsense. They do this to, I think to show that they're relevant because, you know, they've got citizens who are interested in this. This guy's logbook isn't even on qrz. He's not a real ham. The.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see where she's a real ham.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I mean, if you, you got to be uploading your logbook, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you do? You mean he's not like a nutball ham?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. So this program, I'm looking at volunteers worldwide to track lunar journey of NASA's Artemis 1 mission. Look, I mean, this guy. Oh, I love, I love communicating with the International Space Station.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I, I, Wait, wait, I, I've got a thesis, all right?

[Adam Curry]

Fake.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to have a bunch of these hams. There's going to be so many of them that they can't, they won't have to worry about people saying that the whole thing was hoaxed.

[Adam Curry]

No, how about this? All you need is some satellite that sends down a signal phase shift. You know, do a little frequency shift and then say, hello, I am Artemis1. Deep. Maybe it's just to prove that it's real. It's kind of the same thing you're saying. I believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yours is slightly better. Yeah, yeah, same, Same basic thesis.

[Adam Curry]

Let me see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just to get everyone involved. So say no, look at all these people. This confirms.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Error. Hey, Error. What frequency is Artemis 1 transmitting on? On. So what?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

What frequency is Artemis 1 transmitting on?

[John C. Dvorak]

Artemis 1 transmitted its main signals on.

[Adam Curry]

The X band around 8 gigahertz for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uplink and 7.2 for downlink. NASA's go to for deep space chatter. But if you're hunting amateur, check the harmonics near 2 GHz.

[Adam Curry]

Folks like Scott Tilley picked those up easy from their backyards. Oh, wow. Something NASA couldn't do. Oh, we need help.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right.

[Adam Curry]

It's a hoax. They're hoaxing by getting all these amateurs say, yeah, I received the signal, man. You know, I also, this is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possibility that I have to accept.

[Adam Curry]

I, I also once, you know, I tracked the International Space Station, stood Out on the back deck when we were still in Austin, like, like an idiot pointing a yagi antenna at the sky. And I got a message back from the International Space Station. It could have been from Elon Musk's starlink for all I know. I couldn't see it. You don't know if it's really Artemis 1. Could be anything in low orbit. And so he has a one. What do you have? A one Mega. What disk did he have?

[John C. Dvorak]

One meter.

[Adam Curry]

One meter disk. Hmm. Small. Yeah, two gigahertz. All right. Sounds hoaxy to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

This will continue, this saga.

[Adam Curry]

I like it. I like it. And by the way, everyone's complaining like, well, I don't like the money we send to Israel because, you know, we, we can't eat at home. Well, stop, stop spending three times as much on this dumb stuff. Who cares? It's dusty. We know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're talking about Israel. You just mentioned Israel. I do have a Gaza report. And this is NPR's. You know, NPR has changed its voices. It's got new people and now they have. They. Actually, I'm pretty sure. This is Dracula reporting from Gaza. Take a listen.

[Adam Curry]

Israeli airstrikes across Gaza City continue as the Israeli military forces residents out of the area, home to about 1 million people. Gaza health officials say at least 34 Palestinians were killed yesterday from airstrikes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Pirasanas Babas reports the situation is.

[Adam Curry]

Deteriorating rapidly for civilians unable to get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out of Gaza City.

[Adam Curry]

With many families running out of water.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the heart of Gaza City, thirst.

[Adam Curry]

Is now spreading faster than the fear of bombs. The municipality says 75% of central water wells have been destroyed or damaged by Israel, leaving hundreds of thousands with little or no access to clean water. Families still trapped north of the city have been unable to evacuate or forced to walk as far as 15 miles to reach the south. Evacuating is expensive, as much as $6,000 to secure a vehicle out and a tent to stay. Some have even returned home after failing to find a safe place in the southern Gaza. That is what Al Jamala family did after failing to find safety. They returned to their home early Saturday.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to suck your blood.

[Adam Curry]

I was waiting for it. Good one. Well, I think NPR blew it because what an opportunity they've missed. They've missed a massive opportunity to slam President Trump and his entire extended family. Global news in Canada had it. Bezalel Smotrich had just been asked what he thought should happen in Gaza. Controversial far right minister answered that the.

[John C. Dvorak]

First phase of urban renewal in the.

[Adam Curry]

Strip was done the demolition and that the time to build was coming. Smotrich says to listen to him, there's a plan on President Trump's desk that will turn what's happening into a real estate bonanza. I'm not kidding, he says. It pays off now. The Washington Post earlier this month reported the Trump administration is considering a plan to run Gaza for a decade as a a trusteeship. Palestinians living in the enclave would be moved out at least temporarily, while billions would be poured in to develop the territory as a tourism resort and high tech manufacturing hub. Residential areas would be built up inland away from the coast. It was Trump's son in law who first floated the idea of developing Gaza, saying last year its waterfront property could be very valuable. That idea seemed to stick in the mind of Donald Trump when he returned to the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't want to be cute, I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle east, this could be something that could be so bad, this could be so magnificent.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the only person who appears to be speaking publicly about the plan is Smotrich, the ultranationalist leader of Israel's religious Zionist party, reported Washington. Plan for Gaza is being criticized by observers and legal experts. Many say anything, any displacement of Palestinians out of the enclave would be coercive.

[John C. Dvorak]

At best and violate international law.

[Adam Curry]

Smotrich, on the other hand, appears to be saying it doesn't go far enough, that Israel deserves a part of the land in Gaza in return for the money it's spent on the war. Man, what an opportunity NPR missed. They got sound bites and everything. By the way, you know who's going to pay for this Riviera? The Arabs. They're all in on it. Saudi Arabia, Qatar. They're like oh yeah, this is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. They're being very coy about it.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, as one of our boots on the ground said, even the attack in Qatar, the Qatar is like well it's not about sovereignty but just don't hit any civilians. That's not okay. No one likes Hamas elected by the people of so called Palestine in 1988 with their kill all Jews. It's really amazing. The lack of historical knowledge of people everywhere is just flabbergasting. Who really occupied those territories? Syria, Jordan and Egypt. Those guys get away scot free.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free.

[Adam Curry]

It's amazing. And I'm pretty sure the Palestinians will be sent to Syria. That's why President Trump made nice with the terrorists over there. Yeah, you take them because Egypt doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want them That's a possibility.

[Adam Curry]

Egypt doesn't want them. Jordan doesn't want them. They don't?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Jordan gave up. I mean, the west bank, which is actually east, is actually the west bank of Jordan.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. They fought a war over that. Anyway. Meanwhile, more importantly, back home didn't get as much play as it should have. But the President. Wow. He came out with couple of executive orders regarding immigration. Very interesting. The first one is while he was on his way back from the uk he came up with an immediate executive order to be implemented immediately regarding H1B visas.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the most abused. Oh, this is great.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it gets really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the most abused visa systems in our current immigration system system has been the H1B nonimmigrant visa program. This is supposed to allow highly skilled laborers who work in fields that Americans don't work in to come into the United States of America. What this proclamation will do is raise the fee that companies Pay to sponsor H1B applicants to $100,000. This will ensure that the people they're bringing in are actually very high, highly skilled, and that they're not replaceable by American workers. So it'll protect American workers, but ensure that companies have a pathway to hire truly extraordinary people and bring them to the United States. We need workers. We need workers. We need great workers. And this pretty much ensures that that's what's going to happen, I think. Sean, do you agree with that? Well, they're $100,000 per year. So the whole idea is no more. Nor will these big tech companies or other big companies train foreign workers. They have to pay the government $100,000, then they have to pay the employee. So it's just not economic. If you're going to train somebody, you're going to train one of the recent graduates from one of the great universities across our land, train Americans, stop bringing in people to take our jobs. That's the policy here. $100,000,000 a year for H1B visas. And all of the big companies are on board. We've spoken to them about the gold Car.

[Adam Curry]

They love us.

[John C. Dvorak]

They love it. They really love it. They need it. Now.

[Adam Curry]

That's that part of the end. Are you sure they love it? Are you sure the. The big tech companies love it? Because the Indians abroad in India, they sure don't love it. It's the latest effort by the Trump administration to curb or raise more money from legal immigration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Companies will now have to pay an.

[Adam Curry]

Annual $100,000 fee on H1B vis annual. I don't know if it was. They have to pay a hundred thousand.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's annual. It has to be renewed.

[Adam Curry]

A move that deals a major blow to the US Tech industry, which relies heavily on workers from India and China.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a loss for America, not India. Those who go abroad and can't pay that much money for the visa will open their offices here. And when they work in India, which is already making economic progress, it will contribute to. So I think this hike is beneficial for us. The Indian government says the plan is.

[Adam Curry]

Likely to have humanitarian consequences, particularly the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disruption caused to families. President Donald Trump's threat to crack down.

[Adam Curry]

On H1B visas has become a major.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flashpoint with the tech industry, which relies.

[Adam Curry]

On H1B visa holders more than any other sector of the US economy. Supporters of the program, including Tesla CEO Elon Musk, say it brings in highly skilled workers essential to filling in talent gaps and keeping firms competitive. The Trump administration, on the other hand, says hiking the fee will mean more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Opportunities for American workers. The country would rather not have to pay $100,000, but they'd rather. How do you do that? You hire Americans. So there's an incentive to hire American, but there may be instances where it's better off doing through expertise or whatever it may be.

[Adam Curry]

The new fear is going into effect Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will not be applied to existing.

[Adam Curry]

Holders of valid visas reentering the country. From what I hear, there's a, there's entire groups online who are making airline reservations and that they don't intend to take. But keeping them up until the last minute and then canceling so that, so that these, so they can't come back in before the deadline and sneak into the country. It's probably our own spooks doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, talking about it brings up a point which I want to read a letter.

[Adam Curry]

A letter. Not an email, but a letter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, I, I print mine out. So to me it's like a letter.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Regarding Americans getting these jobs and something we discussed this from producer Trevor itm. I wanted to elaborate on the other producer who said zoomers can't use a tape measure. As 26 year old carpenter and tradesman, I see this all the time with new hires. As to what they don't understand. For example, you ask them to cut a piece of lumber at say 120, I'm sorry, 127 and 5, 16. First of all they ask how do I find out how long it is?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then once you tell them to use this thing, also known as A tape measure. They then have absolutely no clue what a 16th is or how to read the tape. So you explain that there's 16 marks on the tape measure between each inch and. And count each mark as 1/16. Then you go and say something like, cut that at 65 and 3, 8. And they have no idea what an eighth is. And it's easy. An entire day, an entire day worth of explaining how to use a tape measure. Well, you're not going to get many engineers at the Highest level of H1B dumb if you can't even do that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe everyone will stop dumbing down our children. And oh, what? Consider, you know, changing the whole Department of Education. All of this started during. Was it Reagan?

[John C. Dvorak]

Carter.

[Adam Curry]

Carter. I mean, all of this was a bad idea. We were.

[John C. Dvorak]

It started with Carter, Reagan tried to get rid of it, he failed.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it just got worse and worse and worse.

[Adam Curry]

So that was only half of the announcement. The big announcement is the one we've been waiting for, the Gold Card.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this executive order is entitled the Gold Card. It will set up a new pathway, a new visa pathway for foreigners of extraordinary ability who are committed to supporting the United States for a payment of $1 million to the US treasury, or if a corporation is sponsoring them, $2 million by that corporation. And that will give them access to expedited VISA treatment as part of this new Gold Card program. One of the biggest problems we have is that people, they go to the best schools and they do great and they get great marks and then they're thrown out of the country. You're not allowed to stay this way. A corporation will be able, sort of like a signing bonus in baseball or football. Corporation will be able to get them to stay in the country. And I think it's going to be tremendously successful. Howard, would you say a few words about it? Sure. So historically, the employment based green card program led in 281,000 people a year. And those people on average earned $66,000 a year, on average. And they were five times more likely to go on assistance programs of the government.

[Adam Curry]

So we were taking in the bottom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quartile below the average American. It was illogical. The only country in the world that was taking in the bottom quartile.

[Adam Curry]

So what we are doing now is.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are going to stop doing that. We're going to only take extraordinary people at the very top. Instead of people trying to take the jobs from Americans, they're going to create businesses and create jobs for Americans. And this program will raise more than $100 billion for the treasury of the United States which we'll use for cutting taxes and paying down debt.

[Adam Curry]

Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, hold one second.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So about a year ago or no, I'm sorry, early in the Trump administration. It had to be just what, five months ago.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He brought up this Gold Card idea and my understanding then was the gold card cost $5 million and guaranteed you citizenship.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's the Platinum card. You see, they didn't talk about that. Trumpcard.gov the Trump Gold car is Gold card is here unlock life in America. So you get exclusive this it's. The website is just like a credit card company. It's great. Exclusive privileges. Now the Trump Gold low interest. Well, yes. Listen to this. The Trump Gold card for a processing fee after DHS vetting a $1 million contribution receive US residency in record time with the Trump Gold Card. But then you have the trump Platinum card. Listen to this. Sign up now and secure your place on the waiting list for the Trump Platinum Card. So. So I guess it's coming. That wasn't in the executive order. For a processing fee and after DHS vetting a $5 million contribution, you will have the ability to spend up to 270 days in the United States. Here comes. Without being subject to US taxes on non US tax income. This is this. Come on in, people. All you rich British people. Yelamis, come on in. That's a very interesting twist.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is an interesting twist. To get rich people who are sick of what's going on in Europe especially, and maybe even some Chinese and have.

[Adam Curry]

All your money sent to America and no income tax. That's dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right? That's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You got to see this website. It's the president with an eagle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay, what is it?

[Adam Curry]

Trumpcard.gov. you're gonna laugh, I'm sure. This guy. This guy is amazing. Trump card is so good. 45th and 47th President of the United States. Little American flag there. Got a little presidential.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's on the card.

[Adam Curry]

Of course he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

With gold.

[Adam Curry]

It's so good. Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Curry]

And you know how many Brits and Dutch and French all.

[John C. Dvorak]

All.

[Adam Curry]

Email me.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got a form you can fill out right there on the page.

[Adam Curry]

You sign up now. No obligation. Yes, I know. It's perfect. It's perfect. This is so amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's also a go. There's a Gold card and a corporate Gold card.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, corporate Gold card is even funnier. I mean, I wonder if you can get Miles.

[John C. Dvorak]

You go Further down, there's a animated eagle.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, where's the animated eagle?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's right at the bottom. It says, submit your application. The eagle turns its head.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he does. Someone put some work into this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is not a slouch of a sight.

[Adam Curry]

Oh. Designed in D.C. by the National Design Studio. Oh, well, good job, everybody. This is too fun. Money. It's the most American thing I've ever seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Unlocked life in America. Yeah. There are so many. You know, we should also have a green card. You know, like the green. Well, I guess you can't call it the green card. You know, we should. The. We need a level for people with, like, only 100,000 diners. Diners Club card. Trump. Diners Card. Yes, exactly. I don't know. I just get a kick out of it. It's just funny to me. It's just funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure somebody finds it offensive.

[Adam Curry]

Well, probably offensive. That we're talking about in that same sesh. Oval sesh.

[John C. Dvorak]

The what?

[Adam Curry]

The Oval sesh sessions. That's short for sesh and sesh. In that same oval sesh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sesh.

[Adam Curry]

Sesh, yes. Sesh session. Sesh. You call it a sesh.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you're going to be a stickler about freedom of speech, but you're going to use terms like sesh. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And sus. I'm gonna use all these terms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sus.

[Adam Curry]

Sus? Yeah. You don't know sus? Where you been, man?

[John C. Dvorak]

Sus used to be used to sus something out.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's double S. Sus. S. U S is suspect, suspicious. Sus. Wow. Here's what the President said about former President Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

Joe Biden didn't know what he was doing. He had a man that didn't know what he was doing. We had a man, by the way, that if you take a look at what's happening in Congress, we had a man that signed everything with almost everything with an auto pan, and he didn't tell the people from the auto pan whoever was using these. The one man that used it predominantly said that Biden only spoke to him twice, and it was only about the weather. So those pardons that he gave are illegal. You gave illegal Eagle pardons, and that includes the congressman that destroyed and deleted all the information from J6. They deleted everything because it turned out that they were wrong. It turned out that I offered 10,000 National Guard or soldiers whatever they wanted and you wouldn't have had a problem. And they turned it down. Nancy Pelosi turned it down. And the mayor of Washington D.C. turned it down.

[Adam Curry]

They.

[John C. Dvorak]

They deleted everything and they destroyed it. Illegally destroyed it. And Biden gave them pardon and Biden gave a lot of other people pardons that frankly would be in jail if it wasn't for those pardons. But those pardons now are illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Illegal. They're going to go after that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're going to try. I don't know how they're going to. How far they're going to get.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the, the big thing which I'm sure you heard was. Let me see, it was the President's truth. His truth to Pam Bondi. I thought I had a clip of that where he basically went on truth Social and posted a truth and said Pam Bondi. What are you doing? Palm Bandy. You gotta like arrest these people. Where is it? I guess I didn't. I thought I clipped that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, nobody's arresting anybody. We already know that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think the way I read it was President Trump is on board with getting her out. That's how I read it after, after the Miller. The Miller pod fiasco. I think she's on the way out because it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she hasn't done anything and it does appear as though she's just a dud. And you're right. See, she sashays when she walks, which is a bit. Somewhat annoying to be honest about.

[Adam Curry]

Let me read this to you. Let me see. I have it here somewhere. He didn't end it with thank you for your attention to this important matter. Which meant he was really pissed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that would be true. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone has the headline, but why don't they just post a picture of it? Oh my goodness.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the problem we have.

[Adam Curry]

It really is. Oh, he deleted the post. Apparently. Okay, well, he did. Well, let me see. Just to make it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's unusual for him.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, to make it more sus. By the way, we have some other suggestions from the, from the troll room. The coal card. Amazon offers hourly employee please. The coal card, the brown card, the algae card, the jelly of the month card.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Jelly of the month. American jelly of the month. Yeah. Let's see. This was. There was a President was at the. Where was he? At the Cornerstone Institute. Have you heard of the Cornerstone Institute?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I've never heard of them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was a big gateway with gays. Yeah, yeah, the. A gays, of course. Let me see. The Cornerstone Institute. American Cornerstone Institute. Who are these people? The Ben Carson is on the, on the COVID here. They got American Cornerstone Institute. What do these guys do? Well, so they had a gala yes, probably with. And the President spoke there in tuxedo, no less. Then he says something pretty interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marty McCary is fantastic. He's done amazing. He's done great. Thank you. He's done great. He's really amazing. And they're really working on it with Bobby. They're working on it. Bobby's so non controversial. I wish we could get somebody who's a little bit more exciting in there and. But they're doing something and I think we have. Frankly, that's a big announcement. I think we have a bigger announcement coming. I hope on Monday.

[Adam Curry]

Marty, it's enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to announce. We have to make the announcement. It's so big. We can't let people keep doing this. It's. I don't want to wait any longer. We don't need anything more. And if it's wrong, it's right. It's not going to be wrong.

[Adam Curry]

But if it is wrong, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's fine. We have to do it because we're going to have an announcement on autism on Monday. Got to be Monday. I don't want to do it Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And I think it's going to be a very important announcement. I think it's going to be one of the most important things that we will do. Because what's happened with autism, do you know that if you go back 15 years, 15 years, maybe a little bit longer. It was one in 10,000 children had autism. Bobby told me.

[Adam Curry]

It's hard to believe that this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct, that as of recently, it was 1 in 10 boys.

[Adam Curry]

Big, big announcement. Not Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Monday, Monday. Monday.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be Monday.

[Adam Curry]

American Cornerstone Institute is Ben Carson's outfit. Dr. Ben Carson. Yeah. He's very ro. He's respected.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he is.

[Adam Curry]

I think he's, I think he's getting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Publicity, but he's respected.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think he's getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Freedom from the President.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's you. Since you brought up Dave, Autism. I do have a series of vax clips. Oh, yay, Vaxmania. This was played out because they're, they're all, everyone's, oh, they're going to do this, they're going to do that. They don't do anything. Of course, this is typical. It's like, like a James Comer Congressional committee. They, they're going to, oh, they're going to put the piece, they got to put the dots together. They're going to get Biden, the Biden kid, you know, they're going to find. To find the banks, they're going to find every this and that and then nothing comes of it. So let's listen to the so they're all bent out of shape about Kennedy's new VAX panel. I know they haven't changed anything, but here we go. The secretary, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Has promised to change the country's vaccine policies. And during contentious meetings in Atlanta this week, vaccine advisors for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began to do just that. The panel was handpicked by Ken. NPR health correspondent Ping Wong was at their two day meeting and joins us now. Hi, Ping. Hey, Scott. Hey, Scott. What kind of changes did the advisors make? So they voted to narrow the recommendation on the COVID booster shot. And they also made a change in the childhood vaccine schedule recommending against a measles and chickenpox combo shot for young children. And while these changes weren't as drastic as some medical and public health experts had feared. Stop the clip. So that's it. By the way, you're going to hear a bunch of clips here where they're moaning and groaning and moaning and groaning about the, about these massive changes. One, the COVID shot, they kind of changed the way they're looking at it. Two, they're going to split off the chickenpox shot, but you still got to get all these shots. That's it. By the way, I'm just going to tell you in advance, that's the big horrible news.

[Adam Curry]

Well, to be fair to NPR, we also are able to fill about 45 minutes talking about Florida ounces. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the recommendation on the COVID booster shot. And they also made a change in the childhood vaccine schedule recommending against a measles and chickenpox combo shot for young children. And while these changes weren't as drastic as some medical and public health experts had feared, this meeting did show that these members who Kennedy chose after firing the entire panel back in June is starting to figure out how this works. And they're starting off on an ambitious.

[Adam Curry]

Agenda backed by Kennedy, who has a.

[John C. Dvorak]

History of being very critical of vaccines. Let's just make this news you can use for a moment. I'm sure a lot of people listening are wondering, can I let's make this.

[Adam Curry]

News you can use. I think we should use that. That's a great slogan, John. No agenda news you can use works.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're starting off on an ambitious.

[Adam Curry]

Agenda backed by Kennedy, who has a.

[John C. Dvorak]

History of being very critical of vaccines. Let's just. This, this ambitious agenda is what I just said.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Separating the changing the way we look at Covid vaccines. And we're gonna split off one of the vaccines.

[Adam Curry]

Very ambitious. Very ambitious. It's very ambitious. Very ambitious how this works.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're starting off on an ambitious.

[Adam Curry]

Agenda backed by Kennedy, who has a.

[John C. Dvorak]

History of being very critical of vaccines. Let's just make this news you can use for a moment. I'm sure a lot of people listening are wondering, can I go into a pharmacy, a CBS whatever, and get a vaccine shot like I have the last few years? Can I go into a pharmacy, a CBS whatever, and get a vaccine shot like I have the last few years? The answer is mixed.

[Adam Curry]

So in some states, yes, and in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Other states it's not clear. And that's because the group has recommended the vaccine to everybody under something called shared clinical decision making, which means that patients are supposed to talk to a medical provider about risks and benefits before they get one. But at this point, billions of COVID shots have been given out. So this kind of counseling would add a new hurdle. So wait a minute. So they're going to tell you that the shot is maybe dangerous or it can do this and that and the other thing, and that's bad. What they've already given. Look, Adam. Yes, Adam. Adam. Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, John. You never call me Adam. This must be serious.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've given out a billion shots.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what's the big deal? Just keep giving shots out. What could possibly be wrong with that idea? Just. You've given a billion out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sure that Scott asked that very question in clip number two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrong. Also, the panel wanted input on what goes into that counseling. They voted to add more discussion about theoretical, Theoretical, theoretical, theoretical risks to the vaccine information sheet. And Retsef Levy, the panel member who led that discussion, focused on things he said were unknown.

[Adam Curry]

Do we know all the answers? No. Did we hear satisfactory explanations from the companies and the fda? Absolutely, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. One thing about that clip, which I emphasized there.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I heard it. Theoretical.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to give you the theoretical risks. No, these aren't theoretical risks.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's a lie. These are actual risks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a total lie. These are documented contraindications and side effects that have been. They don't make them up.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, if it was anal leakage, you wouldn't make that up. You wouldn't put it in.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a theoretical risk. She says she uses a propagandistic term, theoretical risk. It's not theoretical.

[Adam Curry]

Got to take away their license. Oh, you know, now think about it. You could do that with NPR stations.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to start to complain.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, write a letter.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that information sheet for consumers could go from one that summarizes the most important documented side effects of the COVID vaccine. Things like fevers, body aches. A rare risks. A rare risks. A rare risk of heart problems for young men to one that includes a lot of speculation, speculation, speculation, which could confuse people and dissuade them from getting vaccinated. Okay, so that's clearly the headline here, but I'm wondering what else was on the table.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. What is her name again? I need to look her up now. What is her name?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they said it at the very beginning. Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has promised to change the country's vaccine policies. And during contentious meetings in Atlanta this week, vaccine advisors for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began to do. Picked by Kennedy NPR health correspondent Penguong was Penguin. Penguin.

[Adam Curry]

Goodness, how do I spell that? Penguin. Ping Wong. Ping White. Ping Wong. I'm now a racist. I can't believe it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you are. You are not me.

[Adam Curry]

Okay? It's Penhong. P, I, E N H U A N, G. Ping Hong. Ping Hong. Okay, I'll look her up while we play clip number three.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that information sheet for consumers could go from one that summarizes the most important documented side effects of the COVID vaccine. Things like fe, body aches, A rare risk, A rare risks. A rare risk of heart problems for young men. So one that includes a lot of speculation, speculation, speculation.

[Adam Curry]

Which could confuse people and dissuade them from getting vaccinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so that's clearly the headline here, but I'm wondering what else was on the table.

[Adam Curry]

So do you think Pen Wong is a doctor or has some expertise in the medical field? She is the correspondent here for. Would you not think?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm guessing she's a drug sale.

[Adam Curry]

She joined NPR in 2019 as the Newsroom's first Reflect America fellow, working with shows, desks and podcasts to bring more diverse voices to air and online. She's a DEI hire. Her reporting with NPR's visuals team on tracking COVID 19 data won her an Edward R. Murrow Award award.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we haven't won that her.

[Adam Curry]

Not yet. Wong's experiences span categories and continents. Here we go. She was the executive producer of Data Made to Mata, a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. There's an Edward R. Merle Award topic right there. Data Matter.

[Adam Curry]

That's a podcast from the MIT Sloan School of Management. And, oh, oh, and she has taught. What do you think she has taught at the. At Northeastern University Communications Podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Yes, she's taught. There's a class in podcasting at Northeastern.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently she has taught podcasting at Northeastern University. How come I never get these gigs?

[John C. Dvorak]

How come you weren't contacted by her for some syllabus information.

[Adam Curry]

Podcasting course? Northwest.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta find Northeastern.

[Adam Curry]

Northeastern. Oh, well, what's different? Eastern University. Well, I can't wait to see this. Do they have a. It's a minor. It's a minor. But you can get a minor in podcasting.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can actually get a degree.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Wow. I should get an honorary degree. I'll do the commencement speech. In an era of profound disruption for legacy media, podcasting has emerged as one of the most durable and successful features of the new media and information ecosystem. Listeners. Listenership continues to rise with devoted audiences for long form audio storytelling. Like she's doing storytelling right here. Narrative news, true crime, personality driven interview shows, etc. This minor is for students from a variety of disciplines interested in learning, interviewing, performance, research and production skills required to create high quality non fiction audio programs in a variety of. Variety of formats.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm bet, I'm betting dollars 10 bucks on the line with anybody that she credits Adam Carolla with inventing podcasting.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you only. You only need a 2.0 grade average to get in this. Typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that would be normal for podcasters.

[Adam Curry]

For podcasters. Yeah. Podcast be gadget.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Clip four.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there was a proposal to recommend that states require prescriptions for Covid vaccines, which would make them much harder for patients to get. And after a charged discussion on it, it was defeated. And the panel also tabled a proposal to change the hepatitis B vaccine schedule for babies. Now, some members said that the current policy, which recommends a shot right after birth, is working fine, and they saw.

[Adam Curry]

No reason to change it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, there was some confusion, and it.

[Adam Curry]

Did seem at times that members didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seem to fully understand how their votes would affect policies and coverage to that point. What is the impact of these votes? What do they affect?

[Adam Curry]

This group's recommendations form the basis for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which vaccines are covered by health insurance or subsidized through federal programs. And an example of how that works is to look at the other vote that they did take on the MMRV vaccine. That's a combination shot for measles, mump, rubella, and chickenpox. And this vaccine comes with a slightly higher risk of causing fevers that can lead to seizures in children under 4. Kids generally recover from them pretty quickly. What? Wait A minute. So a kid under four gets a stupid shot and they have seizures? Yeah, but they recover. They tend to recover rather quickly. I don't want my kid having seizures.

[Adam Curry]

Theoretical. Theoretical seizures. Not actual seizures. Just theoretical.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

It's completely unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we finish off. Yeah, I think we finish off here. They can also get the same protection from getting the MMR and the chickenpox shot separately. So that's how most kids get it. But up to 15% of parents ask for the combo shot.

[Adam Curry]

And here's why.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to pediatrician Cody Meissner, who's the only member who served on this panel before, some parents don't want to administer.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. I thought they kicked everybody off. This guy has served on it before.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what they said. They kicked everybody off, put a new group in. But this guy was there before. How does that work? Some parents don't want to administer two doses of a vaccine if they can receive one and get the same degree of coverage.

[Adam Curry]

Why are we taking away that option? This is coverage access. Coverage access. We already know the insurance company said they're going to cover the COVID vaccine. We had that on the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So it's. This is just more of the same. CBS had a report about this which I have queued up for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was pushback during today's meeting of the CDC's vaccine advisory committee as the.

[Adam Curry]

Panel debated a new recommendation for the combined MMRV V shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if a parent wants to get.

[Adam Curry]

A single dose, why are we taking away that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That the same guy, same clip.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that amazing? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

A single dose.

[Adam Curry]

Why are we taking away that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That option? The proposal. Children under 4 should get one shot.

[Adam Curry]

For measles, mumps and rubella, and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

A separate one for varicella, better known as chicken powder pox. This recommendation is going to create more confusion among the public. Earlier this year.

[Adam Curry]

I'm confused. It's not that hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Separate one for varicella, better known as chickenpox. This recommendation is going to create more confusion among the public. Earlier this year, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Fired all the panel members and pick their replacements, some who share his vaccine skepticism.

[Adam Curry]

Thursday, the committee chairman defended the new group. You are falsely being called anti vaxxers. But your stance is not only pro children, but also pro science, pro public health, and pro vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here on Capitol Hill, the fired CDC director told lawmakers she was pressured by.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary Kennedy to run rubber stamped the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Committee'S recommendations without first considering the scientific evidence. He just wanted blanket approval.

[Adam Curry]

The panel is also debating changes to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hepatitis B vaccine recommendation.

[Adam Curry]

Much of the data is considered pretty settled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Jody Guest is the senior vice chair of the Department of Epidemiology.

[Adam Curry]

She said most of the data is pretty settled. Listen to that again. Thick evidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

He just wanted blanket approval.

[Adam Curry]

The panel is also to hear it again pro public health and pro vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here on Capitol Hill, the fired CDC director told lawmakers she was pressured by.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary Kennedy to rubber stamp the committee's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Recommendations without first considering the scientific evidence. He just wanted blanket approval.

[Adam Curry]

The panel is also debating changes to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hepatitis B vaccine recommendation.

[Adam Curry]

Much of the data is considered pretty subtle. Dr. Jody, what does that mean? The data is settled? Most of the data is considered pretty settled. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a vague thing. You know, by the way, what. They're, they're, they're, they're defending this woman. They should be playing. I don't have the clips, but I could go back and get them. Rand Paul grilled her in front of Congress and she's an idiot. He just wanted blanket approval.

[Adam Curry]

The panel is also debating changes to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hepatitis B vaccine recommendation.

[Adam Curry]

Much of the data is considered pretty settled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Jodi Guest is the senior vice chair of the Department of Epidemiology at Emory University. She says these vaccines are safe and.

[Adam Curry]

Effective and there's not new evidence out there that we have been following. There's not new evidence out there that we have been following. Is this woman a lawyer? So there may be evidence out there, but we're not following it. We don't follow them on Twitter. It would show that you would want to change the guidance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr.

[Adam Curry]

Guest also warns that is. That is. Wow, I can't believe that. So there is evidence out there, but we're not following it. So we don't make any changes. Says these vaccines are safe and effective and there's not new evidence out there that we have been following that which. That you would want to change the guidance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Guest also warns any changes could lead.

[Adam Curry]

To health insurance companies limiting coverage. No, no. They want your kids sick. They want seizures. Come on. They're not going to change that. It's a small investment. Cover the vax. Customer for life. You know, you want to take some wagers on what the big announcement is on autism month day.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's what I can't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so far, Kennedy has been thwarted at every turn, and they're still going after him. And this new panel is useless. And they're still going to give the kids 80 shots or whatever it amounts to, including the hep B shot four minutes after they're born, which is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was, that was in the clip as well. It's on the, on the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm guessing they're going to come up with nothing. The big announcement is going to be something that's inconsequential.

[Adam Curry]

We'll give every child a gold card. Well, obviously, from what we've been looking at since the discredited report. What's the research. Discredited research from Andrew. What was his name again?

[John C. Dvorak]

Again.

[Adam Curry]

The. I don't know why is not. No vaccine. Okay, let me ask the, Let me ask the, the, the bot. Hold on a second. Who was the scientist who did research that proved autism was caused by vaccines but was discredited? Well, that sucked. Let me try it again. Who was the scientist who did a research survey that showed that vaccines caused autism and was discredited, disbarred and thrown out of society? That'd be Andrew Wakefield. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Long way to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wakefield. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Wakefield. Okay, that's what I would be hoping because at least millions of parents would have an answer and we could have a lot of lawsuits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my. That's the problem right there.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe it's not. Maybe it's a benefit if we can sue a lot of these companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I would be. Yeah. Also if they just take these advertisers off the air, that would help.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're going to have to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they don't own the media.

[Adam Curry]

They're going to have to do four minute ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ads. Four minute ads. Which would be funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because everyone be like, oh, these ads suck. This, this medication sucks. I don't, I don't want all that because you have to have all of the side effects in the ad. That'll be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so I got the clips. If we have. How much time do we have before we go to a break?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it depends. What's your, what's your topic?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is a lot of clips here. This is the clips you wanted from Matt Gates, Gates's show where the guy who's embedded with the Russian army goes on and on about how Ukraine is not what we think it is. And this may be a piece of pure propaganda.

[Adam Curry]

I think we should do it. I think we should do it now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be a piece of propaganda. It turns out I mentioned in the last show and I got a couple of notes mentioning other people, I guess, that have been embedded in the Russian army that are western reporters and they're I don't know who they are. Never heard of them. I have. This guy here is somewhat obscure as far as I can tell. I don't know if these reports are accurate.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the disclaimer is clear. It's hypothetical embeddedness.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea, but I think it's definitely worth listening to. And Matt Gaetz, a former congressman, is not a dumb idiot.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the fact that he's got this guy on, his name's Pearson Sharp.

[Adam Curry]

Spook name.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a spook name.

[Adam Curry]

Is he in Brit?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that should mention the spook name. He has certain characteristics as possible and he has. Has a kind of a spook joke at the beginning of his presentation. You'll hear it. Oan investigative reporter Pearson Sharp, host of the Sharp Report here on One America News, has traveled to the front lines. He's spent time with the troops fighting this war. And he joins us now from Russia. Pierson, first of all, it's good to see you safe and sound. It looked from some of the snippets of your reporting, I was able to see that you were pretty close to the front line and the fighting. Tell us where you are and what you have learned about this war from your reporting and your journalism. First, I'd like to read this pre prepared speech from my KGB handler. I'm kidding. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

About Pearson Sharp from his own website. As a privacy junkie, I'm slowly getting rid of my social media accounts. Yeah, as a spook, that's what you do. All right, good joke about the kgb. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But of course, if it was updated joke, it would be fs, but he uses KGB because that's a reference we all know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. FSO would be no good. I agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no one would get it, but that's what it should be if he's going to have you reading a prepared statement. Okay, so that was funny. Okay, so now I've got. Okay, the guy has a sense of humor. So here we go. We're here in Nizhniy Novgorod and it's about a four hour train ride east of Moscow. And this is where some of the drone attacks have been happening. And actually they have even sold some jammers in the area to block signal because, you know, they're trying to keep the drones from attacking the military targets. But in any case, this past week we were down in Donbass, which is a large region down near Ukraine, and we were in Donetsk. We went to Mariupol, we went to the Azovs. The Azov stall steel plant. We went to a of couple of other small towns that have just been absolutely decimated by the fighting. And being down here has been incredibly eye opening as far as the kinds of people that you meet, the kinds of things you see that just destroy the western narrative about what's happening here and what life is actually like in Russia. Really. How are people dealing with all of the death? I mean, that's a very difficult question to answer. How does anyone deal with the death? The people here are living their lives as best they can. Donbass has been the center of a lot of the fighting. And we went to Donetsk, which was the front line of the war for quite a while. It's now moved quite a bit west from there. But the people have tried to integrate the war into their lives the best that they can.

[Adam Curry]

John, I gotta tell you, this guy is definitely a spook. He has no bio, no wiki page. Oan has. Pearson Sharp grew up in a small farming town in central Ohio. He moved to Colorado for school where he attended the University of Colorado in Boulder, studying English and creative writing. I'll say there's nothing on this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's no profile at all. Which is like one of the earmarks.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well, on his own page, I'm a show host and foreign correspondent that I cover international conflicts from the migration crisis.

[John C. Dvorak]

You spotted it immediately with his name. That's a spook name.

[Adam Curry]

That's a total spook name. All right, well, good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so it's okay, let's assume he's a spook, which is good to know. We don't know who he's working for. And what's the point of this? Because the point of this is there's got to be some something going on here.

[Adam Curry]

Tell me it's in this clip three.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's in clip four.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

We went to a park in Donetsk and it was a memorial park. They had a little shrine there for the children that have been killed by the Ukrainian shelling. And so far the running count just in Donetsk, not in all of Donbass, but just in Donetsk, is 257 children that have been killed from Ukrainian shelling. And it was called the Alley of Angels and it was very powerful. Oh, that sounds horrendous. And it certainly animates President Trump's efforts to try to end this war and end the killing. Little children should not be dying because of this type of geopolitics. It's a tragedy. You know, Pierson, we've seen photos of you interacting with the people who are fighting this war. What can you tell us about those people? So we actually got to visit some of the troops who are fighting for the Russians against the Ukrainians. And the incredible part was that these aren't Russian soldiers. These are Ukrainians. And they've decided to choose join with Russia and fight against the Ukrainian regime, as they call it. And when I asked them how they felt about fighting against fellow Ukrainians and.

[Adam Curry]

You know, are they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they fighting for Russia now? Do they. Do they want to see Russia win? And they say, we're not fighting for Russia, we're fighting to free Ukraine. And I think that says a lot about the mindset of the people here. They don't think that Ukraine is free right now. The Ukrainians living there there don't think that it's free. And these people, the soldiers that I spoke with, none of them joined the army willingly. They were grabbed off of the streets, thrown into vans, and forced to fight. One of them was a university student, and he was trying to get his doctorate because apparently there's some kind of loophole that once you get your doctorate, you don't have to fight. And so he was literally at his desk at school, and the henchmen came in and dragged him out kicking and screaming and threw him into a van. Suddenly, you're in the army now. So he was in the Ukrainian army, but then switched sides and joined the.

[Adam Curry]

Russian side of the fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

And joined the Russians.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. To fight against Zelensky. Now, the interesting little factor there was the fact that Gates heard the interview going in a wrong direction. He adjusted it because it was not clear what was going on. On. And so the guy was. So he's been conscripted out of school, right out of his classroom before he got his PhD and ended up. This is a. One of those this didn't happen stories. But it. But there's a message here about this whole thing that is through Gates, that's being done for some purpose or other. And I thought it was definitely worth. I mean, I didn't play it on the last show show, but I think it's worth. Probably worth listening to. And this is the last clip. We went to a park in Donetsk and it was a memorial park. They had a little shrine there for the children played that have been.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm sorry. I queued up the same one twice. My apologies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Conscription may not be all it's cracked up to be. If that type. No, these soldiers, they said, said they don't want to fight For Zelensky. They don't. They called it the regime. They don't want to fight for him. And I asked them, you know how this is, this is your opinion. Of course, you know the troops here, but what about the rest of the Ukrainians? How do they feel about this? And they said no one wants to fight for Zelensky. No one sees him as legitimate. They all think that he's an illegitimate ruler who's been propped up in place and is basically a dictator at this point. And no Ukrainians want this war to continue. They, they all want it to end.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he was born in London, I found. Attended University College London, the Dragon School of Oxford. What's the Dragon School?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I've been to Oxford and I haven't seen that school.

[Adam Curry]

It's like some kind of Hogwarts Winchester College, Trinity College Cambridge. No, that can't be right. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, it's gotta be a different guy.

[Adam Curry]

That's error. That's error making errors. That can't be right. The guy. Well, yeah, the conscription. I mean there's videos on telegram of, of people being dragged off the street, thrown into vans all the time that's been going on for the entire, you know, three, three years of the war. So, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're not getting good information one way or the other.

[Adam Curry]

No, no we're not. Well then we'll go into our break here with the latest news from Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brussels airport is the wor by this outage and there's real scenes of chaos at the airport. Lots of flights canceled, lots of flights delayed. The airport is telling people don't come unless you have it confirmed that your flight is actually taking off. Because the agents are having to do things manually because that system software that processes ticket check in and luggage check in is offline.

[Adam Curry]

So this is different than we, when.

[John C. Dvorak]

You would have, let's say an outage for air traffic control because that means the planes literally can't take off. This can be solved by surging staff over to the airport to be able to process all the check ins manually. So I'm told they are trying to do that.

[Adam Curry]

There's a number of other airports affected as well. London Heathrow and Berlin Airport.

[John C. Dvorak]

Berlin Brandenburg Airport for instance. They are also seeing these scenes of check in agents having to manually check people in, which is obviously slowing things down. But this is very worrying if this is indeed a cyber attack, which the evidence is pointing to right now because Collins Aerospace is a very, very big company. It manages air traffic, airport Check in across the world. And especially worryingly, it's also a defense company. So the fact that it be, could, could have been subject to this kind of cyber attack is very worrying. But transport sector analysts that I've talked to over the past months have said they've been worried about something like this because these types of services that can.

[Adam Curry]

Shut down multiple airports with just one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attack are a very tempting target.

[Adam Curry]

Now I think this is a hit job from a competing company because every single news report had the same payoff. Oh, it's Collins, you know Collins, a major defense contractor. Very, very worrying. Collins. And where does it hit? Brussels. Brussels. Brussels, where all of the European muckety mucks live and work.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to argue that at all. I think it could even be Microsoft. Microsoft doing it because they're not using Windows on these systems in Europe that they're talking about. They're talking about somebody else's software. And this very. I mean it's not beyond the pale because. Because back in the day during the OS 2 era.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what a great OS that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

During the OS 2 era when they had. They came out with a version called. Then they made the claim. IBM did that.

[Adam Curry]

Didn't you write a book about it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. Wow. One of my 27 books that I've done.

[Adam Curry]

Instant bestseller. What was the scripting language called again? Oh, I forgot that's what was so appealing.

[John C. Dvorak]

First of all it had a nice scripting language. There's no doubt was it about it. But I mean finish the story. So during the, when they came out, crash war is called the warp version. Os warp.

[Adam Curry]

Os 2 warp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crash proof. Crash proof. So Steve Ballmer would go into the, the IBM booth with a disc and just stick it in any random computer and crash it. And he, and he did this. It was a big joke amongst everybody there. Ballmer would pull the stunt. That. That's a classic Microsoft. I don't put it past Microsoft to do stuff like that to this day.

[Adam Curry]

Classic Rex. Rex.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rex. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Rex Restructured Extended Executor. Wow, man, I love that. Yeah, it was supposed to be crash proof. That was right before we. We found out that if you sent a flood ping to a, a Windows NT computer that it would give it blue screen of death. You remember that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't remember that.

[Adam Curry]

It was so fun. You have someone, you see someone across the, across the way working on a Windows NT and if you had his, you know, IP address, we even worked over the Internet, you could send a flood ping and it would Get a blue screen of death. It was amazing. It was good times. Can't do that anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fun.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it was super fun. But with that, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the Cs in the coal card, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, good morning. You, Adam Craig in the morning, Shiv Sea boots of the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water and all the names and knights out there in.

[Adam Curry]

The morning to the trolls control room. Stop moving around. There we go. Counting. Oh, 1,982. That's low. But I think a lot of people are watching this. Charlie Kirk Memorial Memorial. You know, I'm going to say something and this is. I said, I say these things and you maybe always you. Wishful thinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wishful thinking. I'll say it in advance.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Such as when I said, I think President Trump can go all the way. I think this Charlie Kirk murder might spark a long overdue revival in America. Four more years, baby. We'll see. Four more years. The trolls are in the troll room. You can join [e-mail] or my preference, trollroom IO and they are there listening live because they either know it or they have a modern podcast app. You know, probably not discussed at Northeastern University. And we have all of the brand new functionality in the modern podcast apps. Not that legacy Apple thing or certainly not Spotify. We are not even on Spotify. We refuse to be on Spotify. It hasn't hurt us. Instead, we're on all those modern podcast apps. We have chapters, we got transcripts, we had all kinds of cool thingamabobs, including when we go live, which we do on Thursdays and Sundays, we send out the bat signal. Your podcast app will tell you that you can listen live. You can listen live to us in the podcast app. It's like on demand and live. And when we publish it, your modern podcast app will let you know within 90 seconds. Why deal with any other podcast app? Podcast apps.com 18 years. In October, we just celebrate 1800 episodes. 18 years. A long time. And we've been doing it value for value, which means we are the true essence of free speech because it is free. Free because we're not selling anything. All we want is for you to consider if you got any value out of the work that we do as a public service under the guise of free speech, just send us something back and keep us going. Four more years. One of the Ways you can help is by sending us artwork. There's a lot of things you can do. Noagendaartgenerator.com is where we are always hunting for a piece of art to use for every single episode. Every single one is different and often interesting, but often, you know, we had the big 1800 episode on Thursday and you know, you know, when you get Darren o' Neill twice in a row, you know that the art was bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, what is this thing with you and Darren? What do you got a feud going?

[Adam Curry]

No, I got no feud with Darren. He knows exactly what I'm talking about. Darren agrees. Like, yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe that I typed in give me a road sign with no agenda way, 1800 no agenda way, and Curry Dvorak at an intersection. Okay, AI go. That's all he did.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's doing more. I think he's doing something to brighten up his images because his images have no none. He pays attention. That's one guy in the group that pays attention. And you bitch and moan and bitch and moaning, complaining, complaining, complaining about the orange, orange nature of a lot of these images. And all it takes is just a quick shot and, you know, put it in Photoshop and take the orange out and boom.

[Adam Curry]

This is true. This is true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that he the only guy that pays attention to that? I, I, I noticed it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Darren's wife works and he, he just stays at home, podcasts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's a home dad.

[Adam Curry]

As far as I understand. Hey, I'm happy he's our pre show guy. Darren's rock and roll pre show is important. It riles everybody up. Gets them all ready. You know, there's always a Ted Nugent song played. He used to play Taylor Swift all the time. He stopped doing that. Yeah, too many complaints. So we were looking for, we always like to go pretty traditional, something with 1800 on it. And pretty much everybody failed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we had a lot of 1800 Cuervos that which we had a bunch of we like rando women.

[Adam Curry]

We like the 1800 Cuervos, but it was all too small. You couldn't read it. And the one that we liked, like Curry Devore, like, okay, Servant. Let me see. Where are all these?

[John C. Dvorak]

They scroll down to the next page.

[Adam Curry]

Next page, hold on. There's a lot of art, of course, but it's so we should just integrate an LLM in this thing already. So we liked I like Matthew Dropko, but it was too small. You like the I really like Nico song Times, but Again, it was too small. And yeah, you like the Darren with the two glasses, but you see Adam Curry, John Cedar, Vorak on the glass, you couldn't read it from even I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Couldn'T read it at all.

[Adam Curry]

At all. You know, this is the problem with AI. Like, oh, it's so easy to make art, but people don't pay attention to anything anymore. So we have to call you out on the things you're doing wrong. But maybe once it's created, you know, it's very hard to. It's very hard to tell the. The model. Change this, change that, it screws everything up. Honorary mention, though, from Matthew Dropko. The Cory Booker clutching his pearls was dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. That was a. That was hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

Of course, he has eight fingers on one hand. That's a minor problem. Gee, that's not a. What? You're using one of the older models, Matt. Matthew, Lydia has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Yeah, six fingers. Very nice. Very interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're all bent.

[Adam Curry]

Bent and warped, which is okay. That's probably what the AI thought clutching looked like. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we were going to pick something that said it definitely had 1800 on it. So that didn't. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe, but that was a. It was a funny idea.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, was dead. Yeah, that was poorly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too many fingers.

[Adam Curry]

Too many fingers. Exactly. But we appreciate the effort. You prompt jockeys, you. You've pretty much chased away every single actual artist. It's too bad. I'm gonna do the same with end of show mixes. It's all happening. It's all here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You can see it coming down Broadway.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You can fight against all you want, but like that. That mix that we have coming up is a good mix about the no agenda. No Right. And the dames is a good mix.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't.

[Adam Curry]

You can't fight it. It's a good mix.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can fight it.

[Adam Curry]

I tried. I'm giving up. Like we. Because I have nothing else. Everyone's like, oh, man. It's like too much work. You just throw it in the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too much work. This is the laziness thing we brought up earlier in the show. Well, it's like a theme in the country.

[Adam Curry]

Let me ask you this. If we could do this show with AI and not have to show up and. And just make it happen. Press a button, do some prompts. Like, okay, talk about the gold card. Talk about free speech versus freedom of speech. If we did, like, you know, like 50 lines of prompting and the show did itself, would we just stay in bed.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it was as good as it could be, if it was as good as the real show, I would. But there's never going to be. That's the problem. I mean, AI is creeping into everything, but it's not creeping into to. It can't. Certain things it can't do. For one thing, the personality of AI sucks. It stinks. It's got no voice, no personality. It's flat.

[Adam Curry]

Bemro says these lazy AI images is just value for value. Very rude, Sir Bemrose. Very rude. Yeah. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We still have a piece of art. But take some pride in your work, people. Get rid of the orange, lighten it up. Make your blacks blacks, your whites whites. And check the fingers. Check your fingers. Of course, we always thank people who support us with monetary value, $50 and above. We always want to mention them and thank them profusely for supporting the show. It's the only income we generate. No tote bags, no hats. I heard NPR, NPR like, you know, if you only give us $25, we'll send you a hat. It's like they, they don't understand value for value. Do you think that that Democrat listeners that they just are stingy or you think they. They had a matching donation, a $15,000 matching donation the other day for on the media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stingy?

[Adam Curry]

Which, which reminds me, I got a note here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

Where's my. Where's my note? I got a note here from one of our producers. And this is. Hold on. This is producer Nate. Nate says ITM Adam. I've been listening since your first Rogan appearance and haven't missed a show since. I love the work you two do. I could go on, but I'll try to get to the brass tacks. I am regrettably a douchebag as I haven't donated once. Well, it's free speech. What do you expect? But I have hit several people in the mouth during show 1800. You mentioned having some challenge coins made for the Rubbleizer donation. Finally, an opportunity to add value back to the show enters my mind. I have very close friends who operate a third generation family owned casting company company that does small and large batch castings locally. The business provides medals and trophies for schools as well as custom commissions for anything from belt buckles to shirt pins. Made in America, baby. They also have made tons of merch for basically any band you can think of that has been big since your MTV days. I would gladly pay for the commission and materials required for the first 33 challenge coins and Mail them to. To you, either you or John, once they're done. I'm not an artist, however, so I would need someone to render an image for the coins. If you're interested, feel free to respond anytime. Much love. And keep up the good work. Well, that's a. That's a beautiful offer. That's great. Value for value. All we need now is a beautiful design. What's the. What we need for that? You like, like a high end?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think we should just give it to get. Talk Paul into doing it. He did the original challenge coin. Still one of the best.

[Adam Curry]

You don't want to use Made in America by Nate for free.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I'm talking about the design. The design of the coin, not the manufacturing of the coin. Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Paul doesn't even listen anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I. He would probably perk up if I told him we need a new design for a new challenge coin. He'd come up with something.

[Adam Curry]

Tell him. Tell him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will do that. And then we can pass the information on to Jay and she can coordinate the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Excellent. Hey, we have. We have. We have staff. I love, love it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a. We have a. Yeah, so we have a workflow. I figured out it's called workflow.

[Adam Curry]

We have. We have workflow.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have workflow, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

We got workflow. Thank you very much. Brandon Mango from Midland, Pennsylvania. And we always have special titles for our top donors for each show. Although any amount, anytime. We love it all and we appreciate it. It is value for value. So the value is only something you can determine and brand. Brandon thinks it very valuable. What we do. $1,052.60, which I'm thinking is $1,000 plus fees. And he says, any chance y' all can let me know how much I've donated? Love you. Love the show. I'm sure Jay responded to him. And for that, he becomes an executive producer. $300 and above always gets you an executive producer credit. $200 above gets you an associate executive producer. And in both instances, we will always read your notes. And I guess you're going to become a. Wow. He'll become a secretary general today. And tonight is beautiful. And thank you very much, Brandon. We appreciate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me stop everything and say no.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean, no?

[John C. Dvorak]

We can't tell you how much the idea is the way we do this. No.

[Adam Curry]

But I thought you have to keep your.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Those days, years ago, Eric had some mechanism where he could look at some of the past donations and come up with a number.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's always been on the honor system regardless. I just thought.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always been on the honor system. We want you to keep your own book. Books.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Keep your own books, people. Okay. Thank you for.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I think people should be reminded of that. And that's what I'm. Why I stopped the presses right there.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because most people can figure it out. You can look at your checkbook or you can look in your bank account. There's ways of knowing how much money you. I mean, you better know how much money you're spending on anything.

[Adam Curry]

You should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes, Joshua, what is this? What do you think? Coffet. Coffet. Coffelt. Coffet.

[Adam Curry]

Coffelt. Coffelt. Coffelt. Coffelt.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in Grove City, Ohio and he came in with 51538. Hi TM and John and Adam, thank you for your courage. Assassination of Charlie Kirk has made me realize that the country is still in dire need of the service you provide.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, there go we. You go.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so too. I want to do my part to ensure that you're able to continue doing what you do for four more years. This is my first donation. Aiden needs a de douching. You've been de douched. If it has not already been claimed, I would like to be named the secretary general of the unknown unknowns.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds good to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I please get some baby making karma? And can you play the following clips slash jingles trump. They're eating the dogs. John's Mac and cheese. Alex Jones.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what that is? I don't know. And shut up already. It's science and the baby making karma. They're eating the dogs. You slaves can get used to. Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

[Adam Curry]

Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese. They're just durka durka, Muhammad jihad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Durka, durka, durka durka. Shut up already. Science, you've got.

[Adam Curry]

Karma and night. John checks in from Tucson, Arizona. 3:43, 33. He says he added 10 bucks for fees. Not sure how that works. Next time I'll run, write a note and send a check. Yeah, that saves Everybody money. John, ITM, Adam and John. This donation of 333 plus.333 plus fees is for a birthday wish for archduchess Kim, keeper of the nutty fluffers. She is definitely on the mend and we are very happy about that. Happy birthday, Kim. All uppercase Kim shares her birthday with Bilbo the Frodo. Please excuse the Lord of the Rings reference and the equinox. That's right. Today's the equinox. She will also. Yes, it's the equal daylight and nighttime. Today is the equinox. She'll also be 42. So we'll soon have the answer to life, the universe and everything. That's right. I enjoyed your discussion of drive thru liquor stores a few episodes back. I remember driving through one for a six pack while test driving a car with the dealer. Times have certainly changed. Yes, Kim was a little kid in the backseat with her sister. She went ahead and survived my upbringing anyway. Jingles F35 Karma Screw your freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Screw your freedom. You've got karma. So Sir Lawrence of Dystopia who's over here in Oakland and was at the meetup came in with 333.48 the Oakland meetup and he had a complaint which I found somewhat distressing. Itm gentlemen, while listening on the Sunday show show, I was horrified to find that my cash donation was not all there.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you recall John, I had the envelope pressed passed down the table to you. It was sealed in wax with my no agenda night ring signet ring and I don't think any of the people there would have taken it. I think I got it and probably opened it. I'm not sure what was in it because you don't tell me here taking it. They just said things get, you know, the cash donations get piled up and then obviously this one was somehow forgotten. Yes, unless it was less than 50 which were. There were none. So it had to be at least $100. So take 100. 100 to $100 taken as if they were all non douchebag no agenda Americans. It is possible you may have stopped off at Club Mallard on the way back from the pizzeria. Violeta had a drink and tipped the excellent bartender a nice fat tip. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna that sounds possible. I don't think so. No. I go straight home. Or considering my rather poor performance at my IDFA match the following day, it's possible. I counted twice only to short the best podcast in the universe that that ends now. Congratulations on 18 glorious years, sir Lawrence of Dystopia, Baronet of Maxwell Park Kilo Oscar 6 Echo Juliet Echo 7373 S.

[Adam Curry]

Kilo 5 Alpha Charlie Charlie will on the on the the 2 GHz back channel from Artemis 1 Joe Grillo soon to be Sir Joseph Lord of the Central Jersey swamps 333.34. Thank you. He adds a penny to the jar. Hey, John and Adam. If someone told me I would someday donate a thousand dollars to a podcast, I would have told them that they needed their head examined. Well, I guess I need my head examined because this third donation of Three3 puts me into the knighthood category. I couldn't possibly ask you to kick in the penny, considering how much bitching John does about the lackluster donations of late. There you go. Please knight me, Sir Joseph, lord of the Central Jersey swamps. And if you be so kind, provide some gumbo Parmesan and Albeda beer for the roundtable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glory. Did this donation.

[Adam Curry]

I think we did, too, didn't we? Yeah. Did we?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because Dalbita Beer. We got into a big discussion about.

[Adam Curry]

It, but I don't remember. No, I think this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I do remember him saying what he said about, I didn't think I'd ever donate a thousand dollars to a show. I don't know how it got on here twice, but here it is again.

[Adam Curry]

Well, should I just read it just in case we're wrong?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, finish it off. Or we might as well. It's there.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the part I don't remember. If you would be so kind, provide some gumbo. That is. I do remember that. Please mention my band, the Gumbo Goombas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he came in. This was a letter he had that had Gumbo Goombas on top. I read this letter. All right, well, I don't know how it got. Unless he did it again, which is possible because the original one was a handwritten note. It wasn't on the spreadsheet. Hmm. Well, but now a lot of people do this, by the way. Not a. Well, not a lot of few. A number of people.

[Adam Curry]

No, not enough. Not enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

They send in a note. Note that is handwritten with the check. And then they send in the same thing somehow through the PayPal. So I believe he's just getting double publicity, which is somehow he pulled it off.

[Adam Curry]

Good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

More power to him. To the gumbos.

[Adam Curry]

The Goomba Gumbos. Good job, everybody. Okay. Onward.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, now we go to Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's it. We're done.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not done. Kelly and Monica are both in Canada and their donations amount to $240 each, at least.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Yeah. In Canadian. Yes. Okay. All right. Go for Linda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linda says, jobs, karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and job. Vote for jobs. You thought?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Kelly Spongberg, no stranger to the show from Rocky Mountain House in Alberta, Canada, came in with 189.55 Scandinavian dollaret. So, associate executive producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, that's American. After the 250 bucks worth of Canadian dollaret.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you. I got you. So they will be associate executive producers. Sir Kelly and Dame Andrea are pleased to announce the complete completion of our business expansion at Metal Dog Machines in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. This donation is to both celebrate the show's 1800th milestone and all Dame Andrea's work as a general contractor. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

Beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. And last on our list is Monica Lansing. She's in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada. You guys should meet up. That would be $240. $48, I think is what it comes down to. To happy belated 18th anniversary. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Belated. Well, you can do it again in October.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not quite belated until October 20th.

[Adam Curry]

Something 1500 episodes.

[John C. Dvorak]

We appreciate what she meant and we.

[Adam Curry]

Appreciate all of our executive and associate executive producers. As always, thank you so much for your courage. And of course, these credits are entirely real and accepted by the Hollywood bigwigs. Go to I am, IMDb.com, you'll see over a thousand no Agenda executive and associate executive producers. It also works in your LinkedIn profile or on your X or if you're on it on your blue cry. And we'll be thanking the rest of our Value for Value supporters in our second segment. $50 and above. And again, congratulations to this associate executive and executive producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Silence is golden.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So it. Somebody sent me a clip, this clip, which is. This is Newsom, and this is a short clip that I pulled it off Twitter. And Newsom has been getting nothing but grief because he's trying to act like Trump and he's a tough guy and he's cussing a lot. So somebody pointed out, this is Newsom. Now he's decided to change course and act like Biden. And if you listen to this clip, he sounds like Biden, except he's missing the. No joke. What was the other thing?

[Adam Curry]

No joke, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

No joke.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not a joke. It's not a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a joke. I'M not kidding. And this sort of thing, because this.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not lying.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. This response to this particular bogus story is every known meme of things that didn't happen were posted, and in fact, I collected a few of them for the future, use the newsletter. It's like nobody believes a word of story, which makes it, again, more like Biden, one of his, you know, cockamamie screwball stories. And this is just nonsense. This is a chill. This is chilling. This is serious. I walked into a restaurant the other.

[Adam Curry]

Day, entire staff came out, started hugging me and crying.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hell is that?

[Adam Curry]

The United States of America. What he's doing to our diverse communities, what he's doing, the fabric of our society.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he does it a little bit like corn pop. He was a bad dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a. It was a Biden cadence and stupid.

[Adam Curry]

That's funny. Yeah. No one cares about him, by the way. No one cares about Biden except for President Trump, who wants to, you know, undo all the pardons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's definitely what's happening, happening. And so since we're on. California do have one more clip on. This is not from Newsom, but it's about Newsom. And this is the. The Cali Band. It says banned, but it's. It's about the ban on ICE masks. Legal ban on. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

California will be the first state to.

[Adam Curry]

Ban most law enforcement, including federal immigration agents, from covering their faces while on official duty. Governor Gavin Newsom signed the bill into law today saying the maske law enforcement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pulling people off the streets is a.

[Adam Curry]

Step toward authoritarianism in, quote, Trump's America.

[John C. Dvorak]

A few other states are considering similar measures.

[Adam Curry]

The law does allow exceptions for things like riot gear, medical masks, and undercover work. In the past, ICE said its officers wear masks to prevent being identified in videos and photos, online, and facing threats. This is an amazing world we live in in, you know, the very state that forced everyone to wear a mask. Still does from time to time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you listen to that report carefully, there is an out, which is instead of wearing the normal mask that the ICE guys are wearing, they just put on a medical mask. Yeah, it said right there. Except for medical masks. So you can go out to, like, a Covid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's an out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you wear that. You wear a little blue mask and, you know, screw you.

[Adam Curry]

That's good. That's good. Looks like we have a deal. The. The deal has been approved on the phone. I don't think we've papered it yet, but we got a Deal. We have a deal. We got a deal. It's like, I got a deal. I spoke to the guy. We got a deal. Here we go. The deal is for Tick Tock video sharing app.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tick Tock's future in the US has long hung in the balance, but Donald Trump says his Chinese counterpart approved a deal over the phone as the. They plan to meet at the APEC.

[Adam Curry]

Regional Summit next month.

[John C. Dvorak]

As you know, we approve the TikTok deal and we're in the process. We have some great investors, big. Some of the biggest in the world. We have to get. We have to get it signed, I guess. Due to security and surveillance concerns over American users data, Washington passed a law.

[Adam Curry]

Last year mandating that TikTok, run by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chinese pen parent company ByteDance, must sell its US operations or risk going offline.

[Adam Curry]

ByteDance has expressed its willingness to negotiate.

[John C. Dvorak]

And keep its estimated 170 million users in the U.S. we thank President Xi.

[Adam Curry]

Jinping and President Donald J. Trump for their efforts to preserve TikTok in the United States. ByteDance will work in accordance with applicable laws to ensure TikTok remains available to American users through TikTok.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to the Wall Street Journal, the deal could involve the US government receiving a multi billion dollar fee from TikTok.

[Adam Curry]

In exchange for facilitating negotiations with China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump's stance on TikTok has changed since.

[Adam Curry]

Returning to office, and he credits the.

[John C. Dvorak]

App with helping him win a second.

[Adam Curry]

Term via young voters. He's delayed implementing the sale deadline multiple times, the Latest now until December 16th.

[John C. Dvorak]

The app's fate has been caught up a sweeping tariff spiral between Washington and Beijing that has strained relations between the.

[Adam Curry]

World'S top two economies. So let's talk about this for a second. A. Who do you think the buy? It's got to be multiple buyers at this point.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. Yeah, Oracle's one of them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Oracle has the data already as part of Project Dallas, or whatever they call that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, whatever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, for. For Harvest. Harvesting the data, the US Data in Oracle, which is where a lot of your data is harvested. Who else. Who else would be in on this?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was Andreessen. Horowitz is one of them. And there's a third partner, and I'm trying to think who it is. Can't. Well, you know, your. Your bot there would know.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to ask the bot. The bot doesn't know anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. So there's this, you know, it said.

[Adam Curry]

What are the chances that it'll just suck?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the problem is that they're still negotiating about the algorithm.

[Adam Curry]

It's So I could write this algorithm.

[John C. Dvorak]

You think so?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like. Why don't you give them a call?

[Adam Curry]

I like red. You get red stuff. That's what. That's what they're. The algorithm.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it looks like to me, too. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You know. Yeah, Yeah. I like black preachers that do the falling thing. Boom. You get them all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I like blue hair, complaining and crying about Trump Bloom. You get it all. It's very. It's a very simple algorithm. And then the monetization is the shop. That's the problem. And because of the. Well, de minimis is probably still high enough at $200 that you can still get most of that junk in without. Without imports duty.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's my impression.

[Adam Curry]

But I mean, is it still making. Or was it making 8 billion a year? I think is what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I think your robot would know.

[Adam Curry]

I don't care. Get your own robot. Get your own robot, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not getting a robot in the house. It's just like, an intrusion, you know.

[Adam Curry]

I was thinking about, you know, Optimus prime and all these robots and that ridiculous robot expo where all the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're boxing. The boxing robots. They're boxing crap.

[Adam Curry]

They're boxing and they're playing soccer and it all sucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It totally blows. It's really funny.

[Adam Curry]

The thing is, people always want a humanoid robot. That makes no sense to me. I have a robot. I have one robot in my house. And I love this robot. It's my second one, actually. Actually. And that's a vacuum cleaner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's not from Roomba, is it?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's from Shark, because that's fine. No, Shark has one. Oh, I have no doubt that China has an entire layout of my house. I mean, I really despise that part, but it's so. Because of Phoebe. Phoebe. Shit. Oh, my goodness. I forgot to let her in. Oh, boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop the tape.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let me stop the tape. Hold on a second. The poor dog is. Is burning up. You know, I think I. I think I liked it better when you played the slide whistle. Slide whistle was better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so the aspca, they're going to come and take her away, I'm sure. Well, it's like it's 85. It's almost 90 degrees. She's in. Oh, she's in the. Well, she's a big, white, hairy dog. She's in the corner of the yard with a little bit of shade. She's all curled up like. I'M frying Daddy. Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a doggy door.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this dog needs a human door.

[John C. Dvorak]

They should teach the dog how to open the door.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay. Anyway, thank you. I also took it took the opportunity to urinate and get some water for myself. Anyway, we were talking about dog. I don't. What were we talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Adam Curry]

The shark vacuum cleaner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. It's monitoring and mapping your house.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But they have a special version that is specifically for pet fur, and it's really good, and I love that thing. We call it Steve McLean. And every night at 11, Steve McLean goes around and that's an actual robot that is functional. Doesn't look like Rosie from the Jetsons. Vacuuming. This is what I don't get. How stupid. Like, you're spending all this battery and energy and gyroscopic power on keeping this humanoid thing. Who cares? Oh, look, it walks just like a human. It can jump. Make it functional. Don't make it look like a human. I've never understood that. Am I just obsessing too much about this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I've always felt the same way. I point out to people that they all have robots already. The word processor is a typist, and you hit the button and it types out a bunch of documents for you.

[Adam Curry]

That's a robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a robot. There's other examples, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, something's happening in the uk. They're pushing. They're pushing. They're pushing. It's coming here. They had a long talk with Kyle Biederman about this man. Lindsey Graham's in bed with Kash Patel, which he took.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I thought you were gonna say he was in bed with the queen.

[Adam Curry]

Well, believe me, Kyle Biederman got the joke already. Thought it was. Was funny. I said digital id, man. It's coming. And here's the UK labor minister.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know the government is looking at.

[Adam Curry]

Digital ID cards at the moment. How would that help prevent the situation that we're in now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Keir Starmer, our Prime Minister, has said we are looking at what other countries have done to bring in a sort of digital creditation.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's real actually benefits right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Across the here from obviously dealing with illegal working, but also actually imagine if your viewers imagine that they had one credential that would allow them to access all the different government services and our public services do. I'm sure many of your viewers have.

[Adam Curry]

To tear their hair out with all the different numbers and passwords.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Different numbers and passwords. I'm tearing my hair out. Please, government, Government, give me a digital id, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

The different bits of government that they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have to deal with. I do think there could be a real benefit here for people who are here and working legally and accessing our public services.

[Adam Curry]

If there was one route in, as well as the benefits it could have with illegal migration.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're looking at that. I think it is an interesting idea that other countries have taken, taken forward.

[Adam Curry]

And we want to learn from what they've done. You see, this is the difference. This is why we fought the British and kicked them out. They want digital id, we give you the Trump Platinum card. I mean, it's a much better card. You want digital id, you want the Trump Platinum, the trump gold card. This is. This is the difference right here. Although they're going to push for it real hard right after we go to the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're gonna push for it real hard.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Period. Moon notwithstanding.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. A little bit of eu. EU news. Well, actually, this is. I've been taking my time to watch some more of President Trump's presser with Keir Starmer, and I don't remember any clips of this out there. This is about him being disappointed in President Putin, but also telling us when and how the war will end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. President, you say that President Putin has let you down. Putin have negotiations, run out of road, and what are your next steps to compel an end to this war? Well, he has let me down. I mean, he's killing many people and he's losing more people than he's, you know, than he's killing. Very simply, if the price of oil comes down, Putin's going to drop out. He's going to have no choice. He's going to drop out of that war. And when I found out that the European nations were buying oil from Russia. And as you know, I'm very close to India. I'm very close to the Prime Minister of India. I spoke to him the other day, wish him a happy birthday. We have a very good relationship. He put out a beautiful statement, too.

[Adam Curry]

We have, hey, Modi.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I said, you know, I sanctioned them. China is paying a very large tariff right now to the United States. But I'm willing to do other things, but not when the people that I'm fighting for are buying oil from Russia. If the oil price comes down, very simply, Russia will settle. And the oil price is way down. You know, we got it way down. We're drilling and we produce more oil than anybody else in the world. We're doing a Lot. But I was disappointed to see that. And the Prime Minister was disappointed to see that.

[Adam Curry]

So if the price of oil comes down, then Putin's out. How does it, how does that work, though? If the. Because of course, we know it's a troll. The European Union is not going to stop buying oil. But if they stop buying Russian oil, wouldn't the price go up? Wouldn't there be less available and therefore the prices would go up?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what the. That's too logical. The idea is that the. That Russia would be selling less oil because the. The Europeans stopped buying it. And it wouldn't really change the price of anything, but it would. It would change the income flow. In other words, they would just get less money. And running out of money is a. Is not a good thing for. Because it's a main part of their economy is the. The revenues from oil.

[Adam Curry]

Well, funder lion queen Ursula is. Is clapping back and she has a plan. A plan. Now, it's not about oil, but. Did you know that they were taking Russian lng? Oh, doesn't surprise you. Well, then, not anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. They got a lot of gas, too.

[Adam Curry]

We're stopping that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Russia's war economy is sustained by the revenues from Post Fuels. We want to cut these revenues. So we are banning imports of Russian LNG into European markets. It is time to turn off the tap. We are prepared for this. We have been saving energy. We have been diversifying supplies. We've been investing in low carbon sources.

[Adam Curry]

Of energy like never before.

[John C. Dvorak]

And today these efforts pay off. They pay off.

[Adam Curry]

We've been saving energy. Look, I have it here in my little purse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got a bunch of it right here in a box.

[Adam Curry]

And we have low carbon alternatives. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This. They're. They're going to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are if they. Once they kill their nuke plants. This was the problem that they were. They were. I don't know how they got suckered into any of this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they want. They want to kill people. Isn't it just universally true throughout history that the cheaper and more abundant actual energy is. Is that the more prosperous people become?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because what it is, it is energy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It makes things. Makes things move.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Poor Europeans. I do love our European brothers and sisters. But you're letting these people kill you. They're squashing you like bugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you can't say anything about it or you get thrown in the slammer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You get arrested like Katie Hawkeye Hopkins, man, you should.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's joking about it, but she's in for A surprise.

[Adam Curry]

You should hear her story. That whole podcast with Laura is good. You know, she. It got. Because at a certain point, she became the most hated person in the uk. I'm not. I don't remember what happened or what she did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she was on LBC for a while, as I recall.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Yeah, she wasn't. And she was on lbc, she Loves America because she would do a regular spot on Tucker, and because of that, she was able to have a. I guess it was the Republican Women's Conference, and she spoke at some gathering because of Tucker had, you know, got her in there and then she. She was on the speaking circuit. All of. All of a sudden, she was going around every state, speaking at every Republican Women's Conference conference. And that's, in essence, how she survived. But it got so bad as she was saying, that her husband had to take their children, move to a different town, take on different names, and they did not have contact for five years because of the abuse the children were taking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yes, it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was blown away. I remember that we used to follow her when she was on lbc. Barrage was, too.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she was, you know, she was funny. I mean, she was very biting in terms of her critique. And I just don't see. I mean, that. I just don't see how that would create that much hate.

[Adam Curry]

No, I. I think it was something. Well, this time I will ask the. Of the robot, what was it that happened that made Katie Hopkins the most hated person in the uk? Well, Katie Hopkins earned that most hated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Label from a string of explosive, often offensive comments that lit up the UK media.

[Adam Curry]

She kicked off big in 2015 with.

[John C. Dvorak]

A sun column comparing migrants crossing the.

[Adam Curry]

Mediterranean to cockroaches, sparking massive backlash for racism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got her investigated by police, though, charges dropped.

[Adam Curry]

Then there was her digs at fatties.

[John C. Dvorak]

Calling them lazy, slagging off Scottish accents as scummy, and telling folks with depression.

[Adam Curry]

To snap out of it, which hit parents of kids with autism hard, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, and that time she joked about.

[Adam Curry]

Euthanizing dementia patients to free up NHS beds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pure firestorm shows like Celebrity Big Brother.

[Adam Curry]

Amplified Fight it all, turning her into a tabloid villain. But, hey, she turned the hate into cash, didn't she? Not really. Hey, you biased robot error. Okay, well, that's kind of funny, though. Snap out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Snap out of it.

[Adam Curry]

Snap out of it. What's your problem?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, her style of pointed creek was brash. Brash was very American. Yeah, she definitely wasn't beyond the what a Louis CK would have Done. Or almost any decent comic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, but she did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except for the public masturbation.

[Adam Curry]

She didn't masturbate in front of other comics in the hotel room, as far as I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

As far as you know?

[Adam Curry]

As far as I know. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So bus. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Poor, poor Katie. Anyway, she seems to be doing okay. And she had a. She had a. She almost died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it started with. I think it did start with the cockroach thing. And that brought down the ire of the globalists who were moving to move everybody they could from the northern Africa into the Europe.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Since it's on right now and I got. I tell you, I'm looking at this. This is amazing. The people who are at this moment memorial. The entire cabinet has spoken already. All of the top podcasters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are.

[Adam Curry]

Ourselves. Excluded.

[John C. Dvorak]

All. Of course we are. We're never. We're excluded from everything.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. We were deplatformed when we started. This is good. That's really good. I was bringing that up because I called it. Kirk's widow, Erica, has been named CEO of Turning Point, the conservative nonprofit that he founded. In his statement, Turning Point USA said Kirk designated his wife to be CEO ahead of the shooting that took his life. I think she's really going to make something out of this. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm in total disagreement.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think she has no karma whatsoever, and it's going to go just nowhere. But if there's people behind her that are doing the job, it might not make a difference.

[Adam Curry]

This is where you say Marco Rubio. He's the guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marco Rubio could do it. So I have a question for you. I got an air traffic controller clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is a. Kind of. Is edited a bit, but not by me. And this is the air traffic controller scolding a Spirit Airline flight for getting too close to Air Force One.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

When he took the trip to England. And is this kind of there's an insult. Insults? Do air traffic controllers normally insult the pilots of these planes? Is that a common thing?

[Adam Curry]

Let's have a listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steering wings, 1300, turn 20 degrees right immediately. Pay attention. 1300, traffic's off your left wing by six mile or eight miles? 747. I'm sure you can see who it is. I'll keep an eye out for him. He's white and blue. I gotta talk to you twice. Every time, sir. 1300 in Boston. 134.0. Pay attention. Get off the iPad.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so these conversations. This is a little more than usual. This is the exact reason when I fly up to Dallas. And if I'm flying myself, because I only fly once every six weeks, once every two months maybe. And we go in a cirrus, which is a fast, but it's a four seater. It's a small aircraft, but it's not. Not, you know, it's fast for a small four seater. So it takes me an hour and five minutes to get up to Dallas versus five minutes, five, five and a half hours in the car. Beautiful. I love it. And I always take along one of the instructors from the flight school. I rent the plane from the flight school because they're on the radio all day. Because here's. This is my experience. And air traffic controllers are there for a reason. We have a lot of them listening to us. I love them all. I've never had a spat with them. But this is what happens. It's very busy airspace. There's five airports up there. You got Dallas, Fort Worth, you got Love, you got Addison. And if you are flying into that airspace and they're going to vector you and tell you what to do, and if you so much as go on the radio, they'll go, okay, why don't you fly 30 minutes that way and we'll talk to you in a half hour and we'll let you back in and make your approach. Because they're busy. They're trying to keep separation, all kinds of bad things from happening. So if you're not responsive on the radio, which it sounds like there's a couple of different clips of this floating out there, like he had to ask two or three times to turn 20 degrees right. If you don't say, you're called Spirit Airlines 20 degrees right. If you don't say that right away, then you're not paying attention. And, and that's frightening for an air traffic controller because you need to respond. I need you to do this. If you're not turning right and you're not responding, I can run into trouble. I'm thinking five steps ahead. So, yeah, call him a douche. Get off the iPad. Stop horsing around. This is a busy airspace and we got the Air Force One. So. Yes, and it was meant as an insult, and I think it was correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I thought it was kind of funny.

[Adam Curry]

Oftentimes you'll have a different dispute where the air traffic control is going to tell you how to fly, you know, or, or, I mean, I'm trying to think of a good example, but ultimately the pilot in command is in command of that aircraft. So they'll tell you to do certain things like, no, I don't want to do that. I want to do it this way. And if it's not within their. If it's not within their aerodrome space, you know, you're like, hey, I don't want to fly that way because I might run into rainstorms. I want to go that way. You know, they will have to concede to you because you do have the authority over the aircraft, and you're up there and they're not. But when it comes to this. Absolutely. The guy's spirit. It was the douche. 20 degrees to the right. Just confirm and go. Not paying attention. Yeah, they were talking to each other in the cockpit, you know, talking about the. There. The flight attendants. You see that hottie? Yeah, that dude's real hot. It's Spirit. Spirit Airways. I'm just saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. I only got one. I've got a couple more, but I'm like, I'm going to save the super cut.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, do you have a super cut? You're going to save.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was. It was about the free speech thing. I think it'd be better bump, because we'll be talking about free speech or freedom of speech.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I actually tried to. To actually tried to make that one sound better.

[John C. Dvorak]

This one, it had music.

[Adam Curry]

Does it have music on it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't remember. There's about 10 of them out there. This is the one. This is a retrospective.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I tried to take the music out of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why bother? You can't do it. I don't think there's music on this one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it did this new. I told you, you need to try the 11 labs thing. 11 labs really works incredibly well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take music out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, it takes music. I told you. It's the only thing that makes RFK Jr sound legible. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'll play with it next time.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me just see, because I think I have the. I threw it out. Maybe I still have it. Yeah, I still have it. You'll laugh. Okay, let me see if it's the same one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You shouldn't be banned from one platform and. And not Twitter. Ban the president.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have a different one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others. If you. For providing misinformation out there. There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or.

[Adam Curry]

Or hate speech. And especially around our democracy, there are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda. And whether they should be civilly or even in some. Some cases, criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrent if people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick and, you know, has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation. Our First Amendment stands as a major block. It's really hard to govern today. This is a matter of corporate responsibility. Twitter should be held accountable and shut down, down that site. It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability. The First Amendment is not absolute. It does not protect any single thing anyone says. And there are limits, and that's important. And what this committee has been trying to do for the last year and a half is to chill the federal government from monitoring what is going on on social media. When you look at what Tucker Carlson and some of these other folks on Fox News do, it is very, very clearly incitement of violence. Very clearly incitement of violence. I believe that when it comes to broadcast television like Fox News, these are subject to. To federal law, federal regulation in terms.

[Adam Curry]

Of what's allowed on air and what isn't. That's a good piece. First of all, she calls it broadcast television. It's not. And they are not.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a. This is a US Representative that was aoc.

[Adam Curry]

This is an acronym actor. It's not a representative.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very clearly incitement of violence. I believe that when it comes to broadcast television like Fox News, these are subject to. To federal law, federal regulation in terms.

[Adam Curry]

Of what's allowed on air and what isn't. My biggest concern is that your view.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways.

[Adam Curry]

We should have played that earlier. Although it's nice to kind of wrap up with it. So as a rare exception, I will play for you until you realize why I threw it out. The supercut that I got now, this had a typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't get those. Too many of those. I don't like them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so that's why you use elevenlabs, their voice isolator. And it worked extremely well until it got to someone speaking in an audience with a lot of applause. And you'll hear why I threw this out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Twitter banned the president permanently.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, damn.

[John C. Dvorak]

They took away his precious. Well, Facebook upheld their ban of Donald.

[Adam Curry]

Trump today for at least another six months.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is so funny to watch the Trump supporters and the Republicans melt down over Tucker Carlson getting fired from Fox News. Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News.

[Adam Curry]

Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fox News media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways.

[Adam Curry]

So that's actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

That's actually the view. If you Remember when. Who's the little Latino woman?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Anna Navarro.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she. So she starts singing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wouldn't call her little, but yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she starts singing. Na na na na na na na na na hey, say goodbye. And it turned her. This is actually a very interesting filter because it removed the music from everything. But it brought the actual devil that is inside of that woman out. Listen again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen again. It's the 11 Labs devil revealing software.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Agree to part ways.

[Adam Curry]

Foxy. I'm telling you, this is my demon revealer. I'm going to have to use that more often.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a reverse demon filter. Yeah, it brings the demon out.

[Adam Curry]

By donating to no agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, our supporters are no demons. They are in fact angels. They support us with value for value and we appreciate everything. You support us with no agenda. Donations.com is where you can do that. And we have several more people to thank who supported us with $50 or above. John Cenavo. I go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adrian Christensen starts us off. He's in Marmont Moore, Queensland, Australia to 12640, which that may have been bumped up to. Do a calculation on that number and dollar reduced. That could be a associate executive producership.

[Adam Curry]

I will mark it as such.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee. One two, three, four five.

[Adam Curry]

You know who he is?

[John C. Dvorak]

He is Mercy Me.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, There you go. New album out. New album. Album. Mercy Me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, at least they get theirs out. Unlike Halsey, who has been told not to release a new album.

[Adam Curry]

These guys, they pump them out, man. This is a long awaited new Mercy Me album.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anonymous in Staten Island. 1-2-3-45. Eric Hocold, our buddy in Mulrose, Deutschland. 104. He's. He should get a. He's a baron by an hour at least. Yeah, definitely. A sir Dame. Early Turtle in Topeka. 103. 33. Travis Moore in Gibsonville, North Carolina. 100. He's going on about the Buffalo Bills, is that right? Or some other bills. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe he's got bills. Bunch of bills in the mail. Sam Godwin in San Jose. 100. Jason Marrer in Vancouver, Washington. 100. Dame Knight in Edmonds, Washington. 100. Chucks or chuckles but says Chucks. 100. And he wants a De Douche. My brother Steve, who has hit me in the mouth and his son Harrison, who hit Steve in the mouth. You've been de Douche Douched.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a De Douching involved.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they got him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tony almond in Greenville, South Carolina. 9482 KF4 MSI is 73. Lisa Samuels in Vernal, Utah. It's a birthday. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. 8008. He's the Archduke of Luna. Lover of America. Lover of man melons. Darius Walker in Charleston, West Virginia. Year old stomping ground 7714.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, there it is. The West Virginia Hill Donation.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Virginia hill donation. Brian McIntyre in Richborough, Pennsylvania. 7561 birthday call out. Corey Rule. Rule Real R E U L E in North Liberty, Iowa. 7541 one call out Ames Hetzer. Douchebag. And Paul Nowak as Douchebag.

[Adam Curry]

Douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir selwyn, Silver Springs, Maryland. 6420.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Dame Becky. You missed Dame Becky.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Dame Becky. She's in Arlington, Washington. 69.96. Matthew Burns and Coston. B c c 5856. Another birthday for Finnegan. Sir B Boop in New Brighton, Minnesota. 5656. Kent O' Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland. 5272. Baron Henry of the Outpost west in rancho Palos Verdes, California. 5242. Sir Luke. He's in London, UK. We got a London Londoner. 51. Now we got the 50s. We only have four of them. It's very short list actually. Overall. Terrence boyer in Tuscola, Illinois. 50. Andrew Goosek in Greensboro, North Carolina. Michael or Cycora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. And last on our list here of well wishers for Show 1801 is King Kennet Patelia in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. I want to thank these folks for making the show good show. It's a good show.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, well it's always a good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's a good show.

[Adam Curry]

Because you know, we're inimitable. And thank you again to our executive. Excuse me, associate Executive producers for episode 1801. 1801shows 18 years of this program. Value for value Coming up in October. You can go to noagendadonations.com support us. Value for value. It's very simple. This is free speech. But if you get value out of it, send it back to us. Whatever you think it's worth. Value for value. No agenda. Donations.com. alrighty then. Lisa Samuels turned 45 on the 19th night. John. Happy birthday to Arch Duchess Kim, Keeper of the nutty Flusser pluppers. She turns 42 years old tomorrow. Yes, she will know the the Answer to all things in the universe. Matthew Burns, his son Finnegan celebrating his 12th on the 26th. Happy birthday Finnegan. Joe Grillo turned 68. And finally we congratulate Brian McIntyre and all of these people. Happy birthday for everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. And the title change for today's show goes to Sir Greg Hudson, the Mummocked Knight of the Inner Banks. He becomes a baronet thanks to his exceedingly generous donations. Another thousand dollars in the pot. And we appreciate that and welcome to a higher level on the peerage ladder, Sir Greg Hudson. And now it is time. Time once again for the no Agenda to Secretary Generals.

[John C. Dvorak]

All hail to the Secretary Generals.

[Adam Curry]

Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary Generals on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The no Agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Secretary Generals today are Brandon Mango and Joshua Coffelt, Secretary General of the Unknown Universe. Both of you will get that handsome piece of paper that you can hang on the wall or that you can frame in the mail very soon. Go to noagendarings.com and find out or tell us where we can send it to.

[John C. Dvorak]

All hail to the Secretary Generals.

[Adam Curry]

Cause they are the ones who need hailing.

[John C. Dvorak]

All.

[Adam Curry]

All hail to the Secretary Generals on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The no Agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

So I guess Sir Greg actually he kept his own accounting. Turns out not only does he get an upgrade, we should have knighted him first and then given him the upgrade because he has reached baronet. But I think we should definitely make him an official knight of the Noah Jenner Roundtable. If you don't mind, you can bring out a sword for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here you go.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, thank you. A sword with a xylophone. He said. I'm Sir Greg Hudson, the Mama Knight of the Inner Banks. Been donating since 6, 1722 and he's now supported us with another 1000. So he is a baronet. But first I'd like to welcome him to the Round table and I pronounce the cade him as Sir Greg Hugson. For you sir, we have the requisite hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay cookies and vodka, warm beer and cold women. We have harlots and Haldol, beers and blunts, cowgirls and coffee varnish, Ruben esque women in rose geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbons, sparkling cider and escorts of course. We got some breast milk and pablum and as always here at the Round table for our knights and dames, the mutton and the mead. You also go to noagendaroomaryings.com and let us know exactly where you want us to send your name night ring with that we'll give you give us the size as a ring sizing guide on that website. We'll also send some sealing wax with you to seal your important correspondence and a certificate of authenticity. As always, welcome to the roundtable. Brand new night. Well, we got a lot of meetups taking place in the next few weeks. On the 27th. Fort Wayne, Indiana. Indianapolis, Indiana on the 28th. We hope that Sir Mark is healthy again and back in the country. Not sure yet. Los Angeles with Leo Bravo on the 28th. Raleigh, North Carolina on the 2nd of October Anchorage, Alaska on the 4th. Johnson City, Texas on the 10th, followed by Fredericksburg, Texas on the 11th. I will be there with the keeper. Garden City, Idaho also on the 11th. Lansing, Michigan on the 19th, Los Altos, California the 25th. And finally another one in the Netherlands and Leiden on October 31st. Find out where all of the no agenda meetups are taking place. You've got to go to at least one of them to see what this is like. Meet your fellow slaves from Gitmo Nation. These people will be your first responders in case of an emergency. Connection is protection. If you can't find one near you, go to noagendameetups.com start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, baby, like a party. John's tip of the day is on the way. And of course we have our end of show AI mix. You'll want to stick around for two toe tappers for sure. But first, as part of our this is how the sausage is made. We are going to determine what we will play as our end of show ISO. Once again, I have two. John has one. I'm sure it's an AI version. I of course, just have regular people. And here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is outrageous.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. And the gift that keeps on giving from Austin, Texas. Those are my entrants for today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Neither way. I mean, I like Alex Jones. Whatever he does does. But I don't know if that's very good for the end of the show. Anyway, so I got it. But you're right, this is a creation. And here he goes. Show us proof. It is the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

How can we, how can we not do that? I mean, if you're just gonna shill it in with best podcast in the universe. We're the best. We're the awesomest. Donate. Of course we're Gonna use this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ow.

[Adam Curry]

What was that?

[John C. Dvorak]

What did you do?

[Adam Curry]

I hurt myself. I didn't mean that. Did something really bad. What I meant to do was hit this one and say it is time for John's tip of the day. Day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I'm going to go to a generalized tip. And this is a wine tip for everybody out there, especially the ladies.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is triggered by the exploding bottles at Costco. Oh. So there's a recall of some. Some of this wine that Costco has. And Costco has a pretty good one, but they're all good. And the wine that everyone should check out, it's. And this is called Moscato Dasti. That's m O s C, a T O D, apostrophe a S, T, I. It's a sweet, bubbly wine. It's not a. It's not like a champagne bubbly. It's a light sparkling wine. It's sweet. The alcohol is low. It's like 7% on a lot of these. Sometimes it gets to 10, and it's every one I've ever had in my life. I've had a lot of them. They're all. They seem to be all. Be good at whatever price. They run around 12 to 15 to 16 bucks maybe. I think Costco has one for under 10 that explodes in some states. I don't know what the deal is.

[Adam Curry]

There, but I listened to it. Was every single state except for Tech, Texas, for some reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. They didn't have any exploding bottles in California either. Oh, there was only about 20 states where they were blowing up. And. And you didn't even have to take it back. You could just show them a receipt and you get your money back. So you get free bottles of this stuff. I would just recommend if you have a bottle. They said don't open it because it might blow. I would say just put on some goggles, wear some gloves.

[Adam Curry]

Is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And open it. If it doesn't blow up, you're in good shape. You have a nice bottle of a free Moscato Dusti. Now.

[Adam Curry]

Now do you have a. A tip on how to approach this? Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a sweet wine for. It's. It's a. It's chilled. It's a summer sipper. It's good for the upcoming Indian summer.

[Adam Curry]

It's a summer sipper.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the problem with it is Mimi has this issue, and most people will. You can't not drink the whole bottle.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is that Only Mimi. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think a lot of people run into. If you've ever had Moscato Dasti, you will find it's hard to resist just drinking it down. It is a superior product. It's a great. It's an afternoon thing. It's supposed to be a dessert wine, but I wouldn't have it for dessert. It's not really sweet enough. It's kind of awkward for dessert. It's really just a casual drinker. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

There it is, everybody. John's tip of the day. Get the non exploding kind. It drinks better.

[John C. Dvorak]

And sometimes Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Created by Dana Brunetti Ah, well, there we go. Created by Dana Brunetti okay, let me see. I think we have much mutton me to music coming up next. Oh, Sir Bemrose will turn 48 on Tuesday. I'm sorry, Ben Rose, I didn't realize that Happy birthday. Happy birthday has special special mention for you. There you go. And end of show mixes we have Jeffrey Corker repeat it was so good I have to play it again. And Kevin Trotman with another nice ditty about the no agenda knights and dames. And we'll return on Thursday. I'm sure there will be something to deconstruct if it's not free speech or something of the like or some pod that someone said something dumb on. Will be here for you to help you through it all make you sound smart at the water cooler. And I am coming to you as we do twice a week from the heart of the Texas hill country. I live in Fredericksburg and I love my truck in the morning. Everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from northern.

[John C. Dvorak]

Silicon Valley where I remain I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see you on Thursday. Remember [e-mail] value for value. Until then, adios mofos. A hooey hooey and such.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're solid plastic so don't settle for imitation. But the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated could not explain his nudity. Baby, if you've ever wonder wonder whatever became of me I'm living on the.

[Adam Curry]

Air in Sid Adam JCD with Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Dvorak deconstructing M5M up and down the dial.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe you're a douchebag never donate but maybe think of us once in a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're at no agenda show in gitmonation nights of no Agenda to be installed again.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome to the round table our new faithful friend with donation classic area haven't been met a seated ring is ordered with sealing wax? Time for a round now?

[John C. Dvorak]

A mutton and me?

[Adam Curry]

More mutton than me?

[John C. Dvorak]

As nights we go out and hit.

[Adam Curry]

People in the mouth? To spread no agenda throughout north and south?

[John C. Dvorak]

We're from Gitmo Nation? Our demeanor is hearty? We meet up quite often?

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party? It's our round now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Upon your.

[Adam Curry]

Value for value? That's just what we do? We've got 33 ways to deconstruct news?

[John C. Dvorak]

So won't you come join us? Start donating today? We'll make room at the table for you? And we'll say? Time for a round now?

[Adam Curry]

Ginger ale and gerbils? Oh, ginger ale and gerbils?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, ginger and gerbils? Or maybe you like breast milk and palm?

[Adam Curry]

Or bonnets and bourbon or mutton and me? Show us proof it is the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcast in the universe.