1802 - "Stimming"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1802: "Stimming"

Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Main Theme: Deconstructing Mainstream Media Narratives & Institutional Failures

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Overview

In this episode, Adam and John tackle the latest news cycles—delving into high-profile shootings, unraveling media-driven conspiracy narratives, and examining political maneuvering around UN speeches, climate policy, and the persistent challenges of AI and public health. While maintaining their trademark skeptical, irreverent tone, they also reflect on the responsibilities of independent media and their value-for-value listener model.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dallas ICE Facility Shooting and Bullet Etchings

• Incident Recap: Reports of a shooter attacking a Dallas ICE office, with shell casings etched “anti ice.” Questions arise about the shooter’s profile and the meaning behind the etchings.
• Media Narratives: John questions the narrative (“Is this the modern-day manifesto?” [00:58]), raising doubts about news reports and official motivations.
• Etching Casings: A call for expert listeners: “How do you etch on casings… is it safe?” [03:00]
• Missing Details: Both point out glaring gaps in coverage: “We don’t know who the dead guy is…” [03:27]
• Analysis: Emphasize the role of narrative over substance in media reporting and critique the lack of deep investigative journalism:

  “These are all very perfect, no agenda material. It’s very irritating.” — Adam [04:19]

2. The Escalator Conspiracy & Trump at the U.N.

• Escalator Episode: Discussion of Trump’s UN visit where the escalator (and later teleprompter, sound system) failed.
• Jen Psaki Clip: Satirical tone as they dissect media’s obsession with Trump’s minor mishaps (“The escalator abruptly stopped, leaving Trump flummoxed for a few seconds.” — Psaki [06:59]).
• Narrative vs. Reality: Adam debunks: “No, I’ve never had it happen to me.” and John: “She’s being very clear. Trump is stupid. That’s what she’s saying.” [07:28]
• Political Spin: Dissect White House press secretary’s claim that UN sabotage might be involved; question the logic and seriousness.

3. UN Speech Soundbites and Critique

• Trump's Claims: Plays clips of Trump at the UN blaming the UN for abetting mass migration and criticizing the “green scam”:

  “Global warming not happening. You know, it used to be global cooling…” — Trump [14:08]
  “If you don’t get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail.” — Trump [15:36]

• Fact-checking Germany: Dvorak notes: “It’s just not true. Germany has definitely been talking about reopening nuclear plants…but it hasn’t happened.” [17:01]

4. Security Failures & Secret Service “SIM Farm” Bust

• Telecom Threats: Secret Service busts 300+ SIM server "farms" before the UN summit, but no arrests. Adam and John ridicule the story and its implications.

  “These things are all over the country. This is what they use for scam text messages. That’s what this is used for.” — John [26:22]

5. New World Order Rhetoric & European Response

• BBC Claims: The BBC alleges Trump pitched a “new world order” (which both ridicule: “[BBC says] Trump pitched the New World Order. Yes, listen…” [27:54]).
• EU Speech: Ursula von der Leyen delivers “State of the Union” referencing “battle lines for New World Order based on power”—which Adam and John see as narrative collusion. [30:28]

6. Ukraine, Russia, and International Trolls

• Trump’s Ukraine/Russia Post: Discussion about Trump’s statements on Ukraine, Russia, and European involvement, which John calls a “troll” on Europe.

  “If Europe does this...then the EU will die...It’s just a troll and the world news media is going, ‘Oh yes!’.” — John [36:00–37:33]

• Drone Incursions: Reported Russian drone threats over European airports are lampooned as absurdly overblown (“Long-range drone; it was a quadcopter with a red flashing light.” — John [39:05]).

7. Climate Policy Gimmicks and China’s Pledge

• China’s Emissions Target: Media cheer “China’s first-ever target,” but hosts recall similar past pledges (“No, it’s not the first time…They said 2030 in one of the climate meetups.” — Adam [45:09])
• UN Climate Policy: Critique of carbon trading and the population control narrative—referencing Paul Ehrlich’s population/race bomb theories.

8. Tylenol, Autism, and Vaccination Narratives

• Trump’s Position: Analyze Trump’s stance linking Tylenol in pregnancy to autism—debunking news coverage conflating Trump's views and noting increasing diagnoses.
• Media Response: ABC News cited:

  “The leading evidence and the strongest evidence shows us there is no association between the use of Tylenol in pregnancy and autism.” [66:55]

• Legal Maneuvering: Lawyers suggest the Tylenol focus could force vaccine manufacturers into discovery — “That could be a workaround if that’s what they’re doing.” — John [76:54]
• Notable Exchange:

  “You in particular have been talking about the Hepatitis B vaccine for as long as I can remember. Like it makes no sense.” — John [64:46]

9. Independent Media & Podcasting

• Listener Participation: Adam and John call on their diverse audience for expertise, celebrating the “value-for-value” model and broad producer feedback.
• Media Ecosystem: Sharp critique of podcast industrial complex obsession with downloads and advertising.

10. Moon Landing Skepticism

• Moon Missions: Discussion turns to skepticism around new moon missions and lost NASA telemetry data, poking fun at official narratives—and their own longtime debates (“Pray that these poor astronauts don’t fry in the Van Allen Belts on their way up there.” — John [88:10]).

11. Technology, AI Hype, and “Accelerated Computing”

• AI Industry Critique:

  “This is officially a circle jerk.” — John [100:40]
  “Accelerated computing—they’re taking the intelligence out of AI.” — John [105:16]

• Corporate Partnerships: Point out the self-serving cycle of venture funding in AI infrastructure.

12. Cultural Critique: Media, Comedy, and Identity

• Kimmel/Colbert/NBC: Ridicule hypocritical reactions to comedian suspensions/"cancellation" compared to Roseanne and others.
• Kamala Harris on Pete Buttigieg: Critically analyze Kamala’s comments about not selecting Buttigieg for VP due to being gay and the optics of identity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On etched shell casings:
  “Is this the modern-day version of manifesto? …I just want a good old-fashioned manifesto.” — John [00:58]

• On escalator-gate:
  “She’s being very clear. Trump is stupid. That’s what she’s saying.” — John [07:28]

• On climate policy:
  “The greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world.” — Adam [54:05]

• On press coverage of Russia:
  “There is absolutely no evidence of this.” — Adam [42:38]

• On New World Order narrative:
  “Trump pitched the New World Order. Yes, listen…” [27:54]
  “This is collusion, pure collusion. Set up.” — John [30:50]

• On vaccine & Tylenol litigation:
  “I think this is the goal: to cause public outcry as a reason to rescind vaccination statutory immunity.” — John [76:52]

• On AI industry hype:
  “They need $800 billion more. Hey, you want your money back, you gotta give us $800 billion more?” — John [111:49]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 00:30–04:19 | Bullet Etchings, Dallas ICE Shooting Coverage | | 06:23–09:15 | Escalator Conspiracy—Trump at UN | | 12:03–17:01 | Trump Speech Critique: UN, Migration, Green Policy | | 18:46–26:46 | Secret Service’s SIM Card Bust | | 27:54–32:01 | BBC: "New World Order" and Ursula von der Leyen's EU Address | | 36:00–37:53 | Trump’s Ukraine Trolling (World Media Reaction) | | 39:05–40:32 | European Airport “Drone Incursion” Satire | | 45:09–48:45 | Climate Policy, China’s Emissions Pledge | | 54:40–56:39 | Ocean Acidification & Climate Doom Narratives | | 61:07–76:54 | Tylenol, Autism, Lawsuits & Legal Strategy | | 83:03–89:22 | Moon Landing Debate and NASA Documentation | | 105:16–111:38 | AI, “Accelerated Computing,” Venture Ponzi | | 127:06–134:36 | Jimmy Kimmel’s Return, Censorship, Podcast Regulation Rant | | 163:05–164:07 | Christian Nationalism & Media Distortion | | 182:29–184:08 | Kamala Harris on Pete Buttigieg’s Candidacy | | 201:39–207:38 | End of Show, Listener Acknowledgements, Value-for-Value |

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Structure & Tone

The discussion brims with the hosts’ signature sarcasm, skepticism, and casual banter, offering pointed media criticism and arch humor throughout. Both Adam and John lean on their “producer” audience for fact-checks and encourage listener expertise and participation.

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Additional Highlights

• Moon landing skepticism resurfaces, with classic arguments about missing NASA tapes and the Van Allen belts.
• Podcasting as resistance: Defend podcasting independence and reject advertising, championing their donor-based model.
• Legal strategies: Speculate on how Tylenol lawsuits could bypass vaccine company immunity ("the workaround").
• Cultural references: Revisit topics like population control literature, climate conference promises, and corporate AI salesmanship.
• Mockery of late-night culture: Use Jimmy Kimmel’s woes and Kamala Harris’s PR blunders as touchstones for a broader critique of performative outrage and identity politics.
• Listener engagement: Call on dozens of professions within their audience for crowd-sourced corrections and deeper expertise (escalators, ballistics, legal insight).

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a rapid-fire, unfiltered breakdown of current media tropes, high-profile political events, climate narratives, and the ongoing saga of public discourse manipulation—punctuated by humor, critical thinking, and a constant reminder: question everything, and consider the analysis beyond the mainstream headlines.

For any further specifics, consult the timestamps above for direct access to relevant segments!

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

We're going to the moon. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, September 25, 2025. This is your award winning Kibble nation media assassination episode 1802.

[Adam Curry]

This is no agenda with free speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

On sale and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're noticing that they're shooting up the place in Texas. Get out while you can. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzz in the morning. You know, I'm getting a little annoyed by bullet etchings.

[Adam Curry]

It all began with that one guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it started with Luigi, but in.

[Adam Curry]

Luigi have bullet etchings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he had no deny defend.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well one guy said it once, once. One guy did it, all these other guys have to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now it's like is this the modern day version of manifesto? I. I just want a good old fashioned manifesto. I don't want. Listen, here's the story.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

You can hear the gunshots. Denise's Robletto was waiting for her mother at the Dallas ICE field office and started filming. I was with my sister, praying.

[Adam Curry]

She said at least three people shot, multiple people shot.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Police say the gunman perched on a rooftop killed one detainee and wounded two others before taking his own life. No ICE officers were injured. DHS calling it an attack on ICE law enforcement. The FBI releasing this image of shell casings found near the shooter engraved with the words anti ice. Tom speaking with the acting ICE director.

[Adam Curry]

There were some brave men and women.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the ground that went into those vans, were pulling those detainees out while they were under fire and they were all shot while they were in the vehicle. They were shot while they were in the vehicle.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the shooter obviously didn't know who was in the vehicle. He was just randomly shooting at windows into vehic that he already seen down there.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

The agency releasing images of bullet holes in a window and American flag inside the facility. Authorities say the gunmen fired multiple rounds from the top of that building into this ice facility a few hundred yards away. Tonight, NBC News has learned the shooter is 29 year old Joshua John. According to multiple senior law enforcement officials. John's brother described him to NBC news as unique without elaborating, saying he didn't have strong feelings about ICE as far as I knew and that he was not a marksman, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now this is all very troubling. First of all, the etched shell casings I want to hear from our ammo experts. And we have them out there. I'm surprised no one has said. Has come forward. Step forward. Our producers are out there. What. How do you etch on casings? Do you put it in a. In a vise? And do you use. What do you use? Is it safe to do this? Is it. Is it easy to do? I haven't etched any shell casings myself. And how do we know that this was an attack on ice? Maybe there was someone who needed to be taken out in the van. We don't know anything. It's just assumed and unique individual. Is that code for trans now? I mean, I'm just asking questions.

[Adam Curry]

Well, those are all good questions, as a matter of fact. And you have to go by the, you know, the classic movie script where this is a, you know, bull crap and there was somebody in the van that had to be killed. We never are. Nobody's told us who the dead guy is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they just. Oh, the dead guy. No. Could be a gang member. Could be someone you don't know.

[Adam Curry]

We don't know if it was a woman or a man, as a man or a young person or an old guy. We know no idea who it is. They've just completely glossed that over.

[John C. Dvorak]

0. 0 information. Then that's.

[Adam Curry]

And then there's three others injured, I suppose. And we don't know anything about them either. So that. And it's peculiar that, you know, that he killed a detainee instead of, you know, he's shooting in the windows, he's doing all this other stuff. But then that detainee gets. That's a good point. I like it. Oh, but these are all very perfect, no agenda material.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very irritating things to me.

[Adam Curry]

Why is this guy dead?

[John C. Dvorak]

Another one is like, we have hundreds of thousands of producers and I know that when I make the call, they'll show up, but I want people to get back into the habit of. Wait a minute. They're talking about something that happens to be my field of expertise. Maybe I should weigh in. By the way, if you're tuning into this to the no Agenda show to talk about. To hear some talk about who or how Charlie Kirk was killed, about entry and exit wounds, strange characters at the scene, people sending baseball like signals or ballistics. This is the wrong podcast for you.

[Adam Curry]

Bushes with guns.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is. This is the wrong podcast for you. That's. You Go. Go listen to Megyn Kelly and. And Candace. We're not doing that here. We have other things to do that Are. May actually make a difference to your life. What a. What a conspiracy hole everyone's been pulled into. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, it's. I think it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know people like investors. I know people like answers.

[Adam Curry]

They like puzzles.

[John C. Dvorak]

It seems to me we like puzzles. Yes, That's.

[Adam Curry]

People love puzzles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so where are our producers who are experts in escalators? I would have expected at least three emails on this topic. We have people who are experts on everything, including elevators. But is there some magic kill switch on escalators that I'm unaware of?

[Adam Curry]

There is a kill switch at the top.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the top, and I think at the bottom, too. But that's a. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, somebody up the top could have just stomped on it. Switch. They. They claim somebody is walking up backwards taking pictures or some, you know, a staffer, and they blame it on Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I. Oh, yeah, no, of course it's Trump's fault.

[Adam Curry]

And he walked up backwards and accidentally stepped, which is, by the way, I don't know how easy it is to accidentally step on that big red button that's at the top of the stairs.

[John C. Dvorak]

He stepped on the. They were on two rungs and the thing. Stop. Anyway, here's everyone's favorite. And we haven't heard from her in a long time. Although I saw her in a promo. No, she wasn't a pro. She was doing a hit on the Primetime Hours there on msnbc. And she looks like an old dude. Now. I'm talking about Jen Psaki.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

So Trump passed through the security barricades. He then walked up to the escalator and stepped onto it with the first lady, at which point, and you'll see in a second. Okay, there it is. The escalator abruptly stopped, leaving Trump flummoxed for a few seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Flummoxed, I tell you, you can see.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

The first lady just walking up the stairs, as one normal person does. He ultimately decided to just walk up the immobile staircase himself. Now, basically, everyone who has ever used an escalator ever, has had some version of this exact same experience.

[Adam Curry]

No, I've never had it happen to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never had it. I've had to walk up escalators that weren't working.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone's had to walk up escalators, which I think is what she's trying to say. But she doesn't. She put it.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's not trying to say that. She's being very clear. Trump is stupid. That's what she. He was flummoxed. He didn't know what to do. Oh, my God, my escalator doesn't work.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Now, basically everyone who has ever used an escalator ever, has had some version of this exact same experience. Sometimes escalators malfunction and you are left to just treat them like a regular staircase. Not a big deal. It happens. But for Donald Trump, the brief inconvenience of having to walk up a non working escalator while on camera was enough to provoke outrage on the world stage.

[Adam Curry]

All I got from the United nations was an escalator that on the way up, stopped right in the middle and then a teleprompter that didn't work. These are the two things I got from the United Nations. A bad escalator and a bad teleprompter.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Okay, so that's real. That was the President of the United States lashing out and gathering of all the leaders.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lashing, Lashing out.

[Adam Curry]

He's not lashing out. Is she an insane person?

[John C. Dvorak]

You have an insane person that looks like an old dude. Yes.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

So that's real.

[Adam Curry]

Was this. Did you get. Was this guy? Didn't get this clip, but did you get this clip on right off msnbc?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is right off msnbc, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they must have new makeup people or something because they used to at least make her look presentable.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, the. When I saw her in the. The. It was non presentable. Was. She was a guest and she was. She. I think she was actually dialing in from Zoom, so that didn't help. Although Zoom has all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

She was calling in. So she didn't have her. She didn't have a, you know, the thick coat of baseline makeup and.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's correct.

[Adam Curry]

Plaster on her face.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's correct.

[Adam Curry]

So she looks like hell. Is that what you're saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the one.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

So that's real. That was the President of the United States lashing out at an assembled gathering of world leaders because the escalator.

[John C. Dvorak]

C. Mike. Troll. C. Mike says gingers go bad fast after their expiration date. How rude.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

C. Mike apparently didn't show him enough respect. It was, to say the least, a ridiculous thing to bring up over and over again. We showed you a couple of examples of that in a speech the United Nations. But the escalator crisis, believe it or not, it did not end there. Just a few hours after that speech, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt posted on X, if someone at the UN intentionally stopped the escalators the President and First lady were stepping on, they need to be fired and investigated immediately.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. Yeah, absolutely. So that, of course, is the headline, which is probably the whole point of it. I see you. You teased in the newsletter clips of his UN speech, and I. As we know, I don't listen to any of your clips, but I saw only one labeled UN So I figured I'd pull a couple short ones. But what is your BBC clip?

[Adam Curry]

I decided that there were so many clips that people played of Trump berating the members, that everyone has seen these by now. There's no reason to really be redundant about it. It wasn't that remarkable. He was telling them that global warming is bull crap and that they better get their act together. And it wasn't that remarkable for me to clip it. So I clipped nothing from the speech I promised and didn't deliver.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I.

[Adam Curry]

Which I have done many a time, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Continuously. It's your speech.

[Adam Curry]

Continuously.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's your brand.

[Adam Curry]

I figure I talk about it, but then I don't have to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's your brand. I clipped a couple things.

[Adam Curry]

Well, good. Well, I'm glad you did. But again, I found the speech to be relaxed. I didn't see that he was lashing out. She's nuts, this woman. And he was pretty funny, kind of laid back. And the prompter went down, which is a bad idea with him because he can do two hours without the prompter. The prompter keeps him in line. So that was a mistake. He went over an hour and he's yakking away without a prompter. He doesn't need a prompter.

[John C. Dvorak]

He doesn't? No, he doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

The prompter is to keep him from going, getting carried away with his long, long diatribes. And so they killed a prompter. You're going to get Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I have a couple of clips, and I feel that all I saw was teleprompter escalator clips. So I'll just play the ones that sent. That was really his entire message centered around those two. Those two points, as you said. And here they are.

[Adam Curry]

Not only is the UN not solving the problems it should, too often, it's actually creating new problems for us to solve. The best example is the number one political issue of our time, the crisis of uncontrolled migration. It's uncontrolled. Your countries are being ruined. The United nations is funding an assault on Western countries and their borders. In 2024, the UN budgeted $372 million in cash assistance to support an estimated 624,000 migrants journeying into the United States. Think of that, the UN is supporting people that are illegally coming into the United States, and then we have to get them out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your no agenda show, of course, has been on this continually showing the UN International Migration Office doing exactly what the President is saying here, which no one ever says.

[Adam Curry]

The UN also provided food, shelter, transportation, and debit cards to illegal aliens. Can you believe that? And phones on the way to infiltrate our southern border. Millions of people came through that southern border just a year ago. Millions and millions of people were pouring in, 25 million altogether over the four years of the incompetent Biden administration. And now we have it stopped. Totally stopped. In fact, they're not even coming anymore because they know they can't get through. But what took place is totally unacceptable. The UN is supposed to stop invasions, not create them and not finance them. In the United States, we reject the idea that mass numbers of people from foreign lands can be permitted to travel halfway around the world, trample our borders, violate our sovereignty, cause unmitigated crime, and deplete our social safety net.

[John C. Dvorak]

And believe me, that this message was heard around the world. And there are citizens in Europe and in the UK going, yeah, how come we don't have that message? And this one, for that matter?

[Adam Curry]

Global warming not happening. You know, it used to be global cooling. If you look back years ago, in the 1920s and the 1930s, they said global cooling will.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about 1970s, Mr. President? Leonard Nimoy? 1978, they were saying it went right up to 1980. He. He needs. Someone needs to adjust his. His script on this. That. That annoyed me that he said, oh, how about all back then? No, sir, up to the 1980s.

[Adam Curry]

Kill the world. We have to do something. Then they said, global warming will kill the world. But then it started getting cooler. So now they could just call it climate change, because that way they can't miss climate change. Because if it goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

When I hear this, I'm like, we could be president. We've been. We could easily. We could do this. We. We don't need a prompter. We can walk up with the broken escalator. We can do this. Is our material higher or lower?

[Adam Curry]

Whatever the hell happens, this climate change, it's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world, in my opinion. Climate change, no matter what happens, you're involved in that. No more global warming. No more global cooling. All of these predictions made by the United nations and many others, often for bad reasons, were wrong. They were made by stupid people.

[John C. Dvorak]

He needs to add the snow globes, man.

[Adam Curry]

That have cost their country's fortunes and given those same countries no chance for success. If you don't get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then he said something remarkable which. And it's not the first time he said it, but it's the first time we've clipped it about Germany and it's patently not true, which is just interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Europe, on the other hand, is a long way to go with many countries being on the brink of destruction because of the green energy agenda. And I give a lot of credit to Germany. Germany was being led down a very sick path, both on immigration, by the way, and on energy. They were going green and they were going bankrupt. And the new leadership, new leadership came in and they went back to where they were with fossil fuel and with nuclear, which is good, it's now safe and you can do it properly. But they went back to where they were and they opened up a lot of different plants, energy plants, energy producing plants. And they're doing well. I give Germany a lot of credit for that. They've said this is a disaster, what's happening. They were going all green. All green is all bankrupt. That's what it represents and it's not politically correct. I'll be very badly criticized for saying it, but I'm here to tell the truth. I don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this is just not true. Germany has definitely been talking about reopening their nuclear plants and that they could reopen coal plants, but it hasn't happened.

[Adam Curry]

I.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

I'm as baffled as you are about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's trying to signal to the non monarch member state of the European Union, hey, don't let those bloodlines kill you because they don't have a royal family. I can't think of anything. First of all, the whole, the whole immigration and clean energy green New Deal is a shot across the bow at the elites of Europe because that's what they've been talking about for decades. For as long as we've been doing this show, they've wanted to kill people. They want to kill people.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they want a smaller population so they can.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a population that they have under total control, that is immigrants who will have to do what they say or they get thrown out. So, but I. He's. It's not true. There's a lot of talk.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not sure. Yeah, well, there's got to be some rationale for this. It should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we demand an explanation.

[Adam Curry]

We demand an explanation. Germany isn't doing well at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want in that regard. We want an explanation from the President. This is not true. Why are you saying it? Why is no one. I mean, what a perfect opportunity for the green zealots to say he's lying. I don't hear that either. So something's up with that.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's your BBC UN clip?

[Adam Curry]

Let's play it. President Trump has demanded an investigation into.

[John C. Dvorak]

What he called triple sabotage after an.

[Adam Curry]

Escalator, teleprompter and sound system all malfunctioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

A teleprompter listed like a teletubby.

[Adam Curry]

He addressed the United Nations General assembly on Tuesday. In a lengthy social media post, Mr. Trump described the three incidents as very sinister and called for anyone responsible to be arrested. The UN has said the events were accidental and suggested White House staff might have been responsible for the problems with the teleprompter and the sound system.

[John C. Dvorak]

The teleprompter. Teleprompter. Oh, the teleprompter.

[Adam Curry]

The analysts that came on different shows that were security oriented said this was a disaster because set Trump up for being for an assassination and Secret Service did nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I didn't even see Secret Service anywhere near him when that happened. I didn't even see them near him when, when they came in which.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there was just a group of. I, yeah, I agree they. But there was areas along the sides there that they could have been because there were stair steps that were next to the escalators and. Well, yeah, I was. There was a Secret Service failure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well then, then we need to take a slight diversion and go to the. What was the Secret Service doing? Well, we know what they were doing.

[Adam Curry]

Popping this up on your screen. It is a live look over New York City as we are following some breaking news at this hour. The U.S. secret Service saying it dismantled a network of electronic devices located throughout the New York tri state area that were used to conduct multiple telecommunications related threats directed towards senior US Government officials which represented an imminent threat to the agency's protective operations. This protective intelligence investigation led to the discovery of more than 300 co located SIM servers and 100,000 SIM cards across multiple sites. In addition to carrying out anonymous telephonic threats, these devices could be used to conduct a wide range of telecommunication attacks. And this could include disabling cell phone towers, enabling denial of services attacks and facilitating anonymous encrypted communication between potential threat actors and criminal enterprises. Again, all of this information here just coming in from the Secret Service moments ago and they did post this image here showing some of that equipment. They said the Secret Service dismantled a network of more than 300 SIM servers.

[John C. Dvorak]

And 100,000 SIM cards in the New.

[Adam Curry]

York area that were capable of crippling telecom systems and carrying out anonymous telephonic attacks, disrupting the threat before world leaders arrive for the UN General Assembly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now this, this story immediately, here's where the dude's name Ben came in. They're like, what is this nonsense story? This is. Yes, you could use this. Not temporary. Clearly someone went through a lot of. Just looking at the picture, someone through a lot of work to make this a permanent thing. This is typically used for those text messages that you get that are scams. You know the, the girlfriend you have in, in China who wants you to invest in Bitcoin. Can my favorite, can you, can you use it to have encrypted communications? Yes, I guess. You know the answer is yes. Can you flood a cell site? Yeah. You don't need hundreds of, of of you don't need a SIM farm to do that. This whole thing was weird. I'm going to use the W word. The thing was weird. It's like why is the Secret Service all of a sudden do in this? Isn't this typically the FBI? This is an FBI thing. Oh no. Now it's Secret Service. And it endangered everybody within the, the, all the world leaders. Yeah, it had a 36 mile radius. Sure. That's all of Manhattan. So. And then they, and right away we've got Sam Spook. Did you see this guy?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sam Spook from the Secret Service shows up. He's got glasses on that just, just yell I'm a spooky. And he has an important announcement. They already have the PR press release. Good to go. While the President's teleprompter and escalator are failing is Matt McCool and I'm the.

[Adam Curry]

Special Agent in charge of the Secret Service New York field office.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are making this announcement as a matter of public interest given timing, amount and concentration of material recovered during a recent Secret Service protective intelligence investigation following.

[Adam Curry]

Multiple telecommunications related imminent threats directed towards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Senior US Government officials.

[Adam Curry]

This spring the US Secret Service began.

[John C. Dvorak]

A protective intelligence investigation. So this spring. So they've been on this for a while. But now today is the day that they have to do this. And, and they didn't hand that to the FBI. Now they, they take care of it themselves. I didn't know they did this kind of stuff. Threats directed towards senior US Government officials.

[Adam Curry]

This spring the US Secret Service began.

[John C. Dvorak]

A protective intelligence investigation to determine the.

[Adam Curry]

Extent and impact these threats could have on protective operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was a difficult and complex effort.

[Adam Curry]

To identify the source of these fraudulent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Calls and the impact on the Secret Service protective mission. Oh, so difficult. Just triangulated, man. During this period, we leveraged technical assistance and support of federal partners, including Homeland Security investigations, the Department of Justice, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. We also received phenomenal support from our state and local law enforcement partners to include the nypd. The investigation led us to the New York tri state area where investigators discovered tens of thousands of co located and network cellular devices capable of carrying out nefarious telecommunications attacks.

[Adam Curry]

These devices allowed anonymous encrypted communications between.

[John C. Dvorak]

Potential threat actors and criminal enterprises, enabling criminal organizations to operate undetected. This network had the potential to disable cell phone towers and essentially shut down.

[Adam Curry]

The cellular network in New York City.

[John C. Dvorak]

Potential? These devices were concentrated within 35 miles of the global meeting of the United Nations General assembly now underway in New York City.

[Adam Curry]

Given the timing, location and proximity and potential for significant disruptions to the New.

[John C. Dvorak]

York telecom system, we move quickly to disrupt this network. Yes, citizen, you may return to your harpsichord. I mean, come on. This, this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have a question about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Who got arrested?

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, there's just a bunch. They found these banks. I mean, pictures I saw there were like these ridiculous banks of phones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you can buy, you can buy that setup for, you know, like a thousand dollars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it reminds me of the old BBS days we talked about before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. A bank of modems. Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Locomotives.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like.

[Adam Curry]

So you had these, you know, thousands of phones all hooked up in a. In a, in a very nice rig, let's put it that way. And they don't know who owns it. There's property involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course, everyone immediately says, oh, that's Israel. Mossad. No, dude, this is your Chinese girlfriend. This. These things are all over the country. This is what they use to do. Scam text messages. That's what this is used for. The telecom industry knows this. So it's like.

[Adam Curry]

So they cracked down on this thing and then nobody got arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so this is a no.

[Adam Curry]

This, this. In other words, they have no clue about anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

And meanwhile, the president appears to be completely unprotected on the escalator.

[Adam Curry]

I stopped escalator in the middle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stopped escalator with no one. People just going, no one's like, okay, this is, this is an issue. This thing stops. Might be a reason. Let's go. Move, move, move. The eagle needs protection. No, none of that. Very bizarre. And this. And this is nsa. This is FBI. Why the Secret Service.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, The NSA should know exactly who's behind the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But nothing. And this spook comes out, Sam, the spook comes out right away with this, you know, with this announcement.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is bull crap that they had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking news, and then they went straight to this. They already had it. It was given to them. Breaking news. Here, play this. Anyway, I have a version of the BBC UN report that just. I was like, wow, I can't believe that they did this. No, actually I can, because, you know, it's the Brits.

[Adam Curry]

He pitched, as an alternative, a New World Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he didn't. They're saying that Trump pitched the New World Order. Yes, listen.

[Adam Curry]

He pitched, as an alternative, a New World Order centered around his United States. I've come here today to offer the hand of American leadership and friendship to any nation in this assembly that is willing to join us in forging a safer, more prosperous world and his own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's the New World Order in that?

[Adam Curry]

Part?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. That's just bizarre.

[Adam Curry]

Offering a helping hand nowadays indicates that you. Are you trying to implement a New World Order?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Meanwhile, while this was taking place, Queen Ursula was in the starship, the mothership of the European Union, giving the State of the Union. And listen to what she said.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Europe is in a fight. A fight for a continent that is whole and at peace. Peace for free and independent Europe. A fight for our values and our democracies. A fight for our liberty and our ability to determine our destiny for ourselves. Make no mistake, this is a fight for our future. And I thought long and hard about whether to start this State of the Union address with such a stark appraisal. After all, as Europeans are not used to or comfortable with talking in such terms, because our Union is fundamentally a peace project. But the truth is that the world of today is unforgiving. And we cannot vanish over the difficulties that Europeans feel every day. They can feel the ground shift beneath them. They can feel things getting harder just as they are working harder. They can feel the impact of the global crisis, of the higher cost of living.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

They feel the speed of change affecting their lives and their careers. And they worry about the endless spiral of events they see on the news. From the devastating scenes in Gaza to the relentless Russian barrage on Ukraine. We simply cannot wait for this storm to pass. This summer showed us that there is simply no room or no time for nostalgia. Battle lines for New World Order based on power are being drawn right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. She's the one talking about a New World Order. Battle lines are being drawn for a New World Order. Do tell me more.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Queen Ursula for no Time for nostalgia. Battle lines for New World Order based on power are being drawn right now. So, yes, Europe must fight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. I take this to be. I'm just going to say it. This is the North Sea Nexus. We've got the BBC saying that Trump was out there talking about a New World Order. And then we have Ursula saying she doesn't say Trump, but she's saying Trump's making a New World Order. This is collusion, pure collusion. Set up.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Battle lines for New World Order based on power are being drawn right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're power.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

So, yes, Europe must fight for its place in the world in which many major powers are either ambivalent or openly hostile to Europe. A world of imperial ambitions and imperial wars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imperial ambitions and imperial wars. Who could that be?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

A world in which dependencies are ruthlessly weaponized. And it is for all these reasons that a new Europe must emerge.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Queen. Yes, Queen. A new Europe must emerge. They're. They're afraid. They do not like what Trump is doing.

[Adam Curry]

It has to be it. That's. That. I would say that little snippet was unhinged.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you want to hear what her solution is, I mean, I can tell you, it's basically 2 trillion euros of borrowing to invest in. I'll just tell you, it's boring to listen to her. 2 trillion euros of borrowing to invest in. Quantum.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quantum and clean energy. Quantum and clean energy. It makes nothing but sense.

[Adam Curry]

Two dead ends.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So now I think the President is really trolling them to an unbelievable degree, and he wants to kill the European Union. And I think it's evidenced by this truth. This truth, also known as a tweet. This truth.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I'm going to have to go get an account on that thing because everybody, it's like. It's worse than it was back in the early days of Twitter, where the news media kept, you know, instead of doing any reporting or any phone calls or sitting at the desk and trying to do some work, they just look at Twitter and then they quote and they run it on the 6 o' clock news. And somebody tweeted this and he tweeted that. What kind of work is. Does that work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the truth that he posted. This is from the global news. More now on our top story and what appears to be a significant shift.

[Adam Curry]

In US President Donald Trump's approach to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Russia's war on Ukraine. A short time ago, Trump posted a statement online which reads in part, after getting to know and fully understand the.

[Adam Curry]

Ukraine, Russia military and economic situation and.

[John C. Dvorak]

After seeing the economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the.

[Adam Curry]

Support of the European Union, is in.

[John C. Dvorak]

A position to fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form with time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO. The original borders from where this war started is very much an option. So this is a troll and everybody took it. As he's turning around, he's coming to our side.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And I hate saying this, you're totally correct. This is a complete bull, because the angle is right there, right in front of you. If Europe does this, if Europe does that, if Europe gives us money to sell them stuff that they then give to Ukraine, or even worse, even worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than that, here's my boy, Andrew Soulis. Now, he breaks it down. He doesn't understand. It's just one clip by him. He doesn't explain the nature of the troll, but he does explain exactly what this is and what it isn't. What do you make of the new.

[Adam Curry]

Post by Donald Trump?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you make of it? On True social.

[Adam Curry]

It's astounding. The only logic one can infer is.

[John C. Dvorak]

That it's economics, because militarily, the Ukrainian forces are in no position to defeat the Russian forces and push them back to the 91 borders.

[Adam Curry]

The last time Ukrainians tried this in earnest was the summer August 2023, when.

[John C. Dvorak]

They launched a fully equipped offensive with NATO weapons and NATO tactics, and they managed to breach 8km into the Russian line, where they needed to breach 60km.

[Adam Curry]

To reach the Sea of Azov. Now, the Ukrainians also did a surprise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attack in Kursk in Russia last year.

[Adam Curry]

Which was an undefended area or lightly defended.

[John C. Dvorak]

And since that time, the Russians have.

[Adam Curry]

Pushed the Ukrainians back to their own borders.

[John C. Dvorak]

So militarily, it's inconceivable that the Ukrainian.

[Adam Curry]

Military could defeat the Russian military unless you actually destroy the Russian economy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I think this is now what.

[Adam Curry]

What'S turned Trump's mind to this statement today, in the sense, the argument being that if everybody pulls together and sanctions the Russians more than they've been sanctioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the last three years, and they're.

[Adam Curry]

The most sanctioned country in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

That somehow the Russian economy will collapse, the Russians will give up their gains and put up their hands and basically walk back to the Russian borders, a.

[Adam Curry]

Highly improbable outcome because China still supports Russia. So even if everybody in NATO you're talking now, Hungary and Slovakia would have to come around as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not there yet.

[Adam Curry]

And Turkey too.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is all astounding and highly improbable. So. Of course it's astounding and highly improbable because what the President is saying is, you know, what you need to do is you need to stop buying Russian oil and gas products, which would be hilarious because then the EU will die. And so they're never going to do it. He knows it. He's just saying it's your fault. Your fault. I think he even said somewhere.

[Adam Curry]

In.

[John C. Dvorak]

His UN speech, he said, you know, until I found out that they were still just buying Russian oil. So you should stop buying Russian oil. They can't, they can't be with the green scam. The whole thing is a troll. And the, and the world news media is going, oh, yes, Zelensky convinced him. Oh yes, it's so. It was fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

I think even Fox is suckered into this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, it's so dumb. Like, don't you, don't you see it here? I think I have, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Fox is all in on this. Oh well, he's changed. And they, and they're doing it in such a way as well as a smart move or. I mean, it's like, it's just. They're completely missing the point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course it's missing. They're dumb. They're so dumb. And then here's my favorite. I got a lot of reports about this. There's no evidence of this being Russia. And I'm going to play this 55 second clip so that I can tell you what I saw in the 55 second clip.

[Adam Curry]

Drone incursions caused temporary closures at Copenhagen and Oslo airports Monday evening. It came just days after a hacking operation led to problems at three European airports, including London Heathrow. For officials, whoever is behind the latest attacks has one goal in mind.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

To disturb, create unrest, cause concern, see how far you can go, test the limits.

[Adam Curry]

Speaking on the sidelines of the UN General assembly in New York, Ukraine's president suggested there was little doubt of Russia's involvement. The comments from Vladimir Zelensky come as the war at home grinds on. A conflict where drone technology has been pushed to the limits. So he uses different types of long distance drones to understand how Europe is ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so he, Putin uses different kinds of long range drones to see if Europe is ready. So I'm looking at this video, all the video from the Danish broadcasters, from Euro news. These drones have big red flashing lights. What kind of reconnaissance drone is that? Hi, I'm a drone. Big red flashing light. I'm a drone. I'm a drone. Come on. This is either some Dane who's sitting on the ground laughing his ass off like I made the news world news, baby. This is stupid. Long range drone. It was a quadcopter with a red flashing light. Stop the incursion. An incursion.

[Adam Curry]

I have the aviation clip from Denmark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let me see.

[Adam Curry]

This is a BBC report.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got it.

[Adam Curry]

Reports from Denmark say drone activity has been detected over four airports in the Jutland region. The airport at Arlbor was temporarily shut down after drones were identified, but it's now reopened. The incidents come two days after Denmark's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Main airport at Copenhagen was shut down.

[Adam Curry]

Over drone sightings that rattled European aviation. That's all they had.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all they had. Hold on a second. They want me to reconnect the stream. That's odd. Okay, I'll reconnect the stream. See if that helps. There we go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. Oh, it's big news in Europe. Oh, the Russians. They're flying drones everywhere. They're gonna. They're coming to get us, the Russians. And meanwhile, what wasn't discussed at all there was kind of on the sidelines of the United Nations. Putin made a little announcement.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Russia says it will adhere to nuclear arms limits for one more year after the last remaining deal with the United States expires in February. Russia's president Vladimir Putin told members of his Security Council that Moscow would expect the US to follow Russia's example and stick to the treaty's limits. The New Start deal, first signed in 2010 by then presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, limits each country to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed missiles and bombers. On site inspections under the deal have been dormant since 2020. In February 2023, Putin suspended Moscow's participation in the treaty, but stopped short of withdrawing from the pact altogether. Together, the US and Russia hold 90, 90% of the world's nuclear arsenal. The future of the new START Treaty has taken on increased importance at a time when Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine has pushed the two countries closer to direct confrontation.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no one really reported on that. Which is, I guess, kind of a good thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We're not going to increase any more nuclear weapons. That's good. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

They're just going to modernize. They're going to do that, they're going to be better. But the other thing that they don't deal with is this constant drumbeat. And I hear it on every of the networks from the right to the left, is the Russian economy's in a shambles. There is absolutely no evidence of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And if you watch YouTube videos, because there's plenty of them in Russia and they get posted, everybody looks happy as a clamp roaming around. They're nightclubbing and the stores are stocked. It's not like during the days of communism when there. Everything was. The stores were. Shelves were empty, bare. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is, I think you're, I think your analysis about this is with the fake EU thing and the head fake by Trump is all on the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And he's going to. But my takeaway from Queen Ursula is she sees it and she is act. She's not middle management like the Clintons. She comes from bloodlines.

[Adam Curry]

If you look, you can tell by the way she handles herself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And the reason she's there at all, unelected. I think that says it all. She comes from bloodlines and she's part of the North Sea Nexus elite. And they know what Trump is doing. And that's why she's saying. When she says imperial powers. Well, no, Imperial powers are being crushed. That's what's happening. That's you. We're not an imperial power. That's ridiculous. And then to have the same verbiage as the BBC saying a New World Order, and then she says they're trying to create a New World Order. That's too much coincidence for me. No one said the term New World Order. Certainly the President did.

[Adam Curry]

The last guy, the American president who said that was George bush. Yeah, George H.W.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, wait, Clinton said it too.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember that, but I do remember George H.W. saying it. And he made a big point of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

But he was kind of an elite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. I thought I had. I thought I had Clinton saying New World Order. Maybe not. Yeah, well, George H.W. for sure.

[Adam Curry]

So we have Climate China. Bull crap. This. Now, I want to play a couple. I got three clips here. There should be four. But clip two, I, I didn't post properly and I, I just explained what he said or what this woman said on clip two. But this, but start with a background. This is Climatex China. Lol. The world's largest carbon polluter. China says it will cut carbon emissions by 7 to 10% by 2035.

[John C. Dvorak]

The announcement came as more than 100 world leaders gathered to talk about increased urgency and the need for stronger efforts.

[Adam Curry]

To curb heat trapping gases.

[John C. Dvorak]

International climate negotiations are set to begin.

[Adam Curry]

In Brazil in six and a half weeks. Now, if I'm not mistaken, and it is in the era of the show, and it was about four years ago, I believe, when it was a big deal during one of the climate meetups where China said, oh, okay, we're going to implement the whole program in 2030. We're going to begin. Do you remember this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Curry]

And it was 2030. 2030, 2030. We're not going to do anything until 2030 and then we're going to be on board and everyone's all jacked up. Oh, China's getting on board with the climate agenda and they're going to be on board in 2030. And now they're going to, now the latest is, are going to cut 10%, 7 to 10% by 2030.

[John C. Dvorak]

Five, you mean?

[Adam Curry]

And not one of these reporters has mentioned this other promise about 2030. They're just, oh, this is great. China's just, China is just running circles around these idiots. Let's listen to. This is the BBC report. This is climate change bs BBC, yeah. For the first time, China has made a commitment to cut its carbon emissions. No, it's not the first. Hold on, that's not the first time. We just discussed this. They said by 2030 in one of the climate meetups. But now all of a sudden, this is the first video address the United nations in New York, President Xi Jinping said that greenhouse gases would be reduced by between 7 and 10% from a peak in the next decade. He said that all parts of the economy would shift away from fossil fuels. China is the world's biggest source of planet warming gases.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that is some hope that this.

[Adam Curry]

Is a major step forward in the fight against climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just a few minutes ago, I.

[Adam Curry]

Spoke to our China correspondent, Laura Bicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I asked her why it's so significant then to get a pledge on climate from China.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

If the world is to try to commit to reducing carbon emissions. If the world is to try to limit global warming to 1.5 Celsius, then it needs China. China is one of the world's biggest emitters. Around a third to a quarter of all greenhouse gas emissions come from China. Now if China commits to this 7 to 10%, it's the first time that it has actually said, actually committed to a number.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's the tricky part. With the number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm looking at it. That was part of the Paris agreement. That's when I.

[Adam Curry]

Right, right when they said 2030.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm trying to see if I can find a clip from it. So far, no luck, but I remember it distinctly.

[Adam Curry]

And so. Okay, well, now this is the first time, so they're twisting it a little bit. And now clip two, which I don't have, and I'm sorry that I screwed this up. But I'll tell you what she said, this woman, she said the good news is that China always over delivers whatever they promise they over deliver. And I'm thinking, when does this ever happen? Tell that to the wto. Exactly where they've promised this and they promised that. And they don't over deliver. They don't deliver anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not what they do.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not what they do. So here we go, the final clip. Which clip? Three. It's wrapped.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

It went through mass urbanization. They have huge towering concrete skyscrapers in many of their cities. That is something they're going to try and reduce. And they're going to make new energy vehicles the mainstream. And new vehicle sales.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, more. More battery cars. That's always.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I didn't get to do the whole. Another part of that other clip was what China's going to do is they're going to build more electric cars, which of course require electricity, which is inefficient in itself compared to you have to send electricity down the transmission line, which loses energy and it gets to the car, it fills the car up, as opposed to fossil fuel gasoline, which is the most efficient way to power a vehicle. But we'll get into that. But the other thing is China's going to do is going to be a big deal. They're going to plant trees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I thought they already agreed to that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're going to agree again.

[John C. Dvorak]

And do you have a clip on the.

[Adam Curry]

More trees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you have a clip of the tree plant?

[Adam Curry]

No, that was part in the. Part two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so the UN climate change gambit. By the way, you know who was in the UN when all this started? That was Maurice Strong. Remember Maurice Strong, Al Gore's buddy. They were the ones that. He's dead now. They were the ones who were setting up the carbon exchange.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, right, the Carbon Trading Bureau or whatever the hell it was going to be. Yeah, it was going to be like the Chicago Board of the CBOE or trades of commodities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Now the carbon trade is happening and there are trading desks. But that was always the Al Gore idea with Maurice Strong, his partner. And then Strong got in all kinds of trouble. I can't remember exactly what it was, but eventually he died. So. But he's. He was the guy in the UN who was pushing this early on. And it always came down to, well, you know, if only we had less people, that would be better. Which led to the US Population bomb. You remember that more distinctly than I do. Was that. Was it a report? Was it a book?

[Adam Curry]

It was Ehrlich's book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ken Ehrlich?

[Adam Curry]

No, not Ken. It was. I can't remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the director of the Oscars. No, you're thinking of somebody else. The other.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's either Ehrlich or Ehrlichman. The guy that's a Stanford professor. He's still there. You can look him up. Somebody in the chat room can get it straight and get his first name. But Ehrlich did the population bomb. And then he. In 1970, and that's when that all began. We're all going to die by the year 2000, and we should stop having babies. That caused me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Paul Ehrlich. Paul Ehrlich.

[Adam Curry]

Paul Ehrlich and then. And Paul Ehrlich, because of that book, I believe a number of. And people I know, men had vasectomies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

As a. At a young age. So they would not have to. So they would not contribute to this disastrous population explosion. It was going to kill everybody by the year 2000, by the way. We had run out of material. Everything. No food. We're all going to die. And Ehrlich also did a book which is harder to find because it's been kind of suppressed about the race. I can't remember the exact name of it. Again, somebody might look this up. I think it was called the Race Bomb, and it was about how bad it was to have too many blacks in the country. Yes, he had a racist book that kind of. But that got put aside real fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Race Bomb. 1978. The Race Bomb.

[Adam Curry]

The Race bomb. Okay, so. So he is trying to capitalize on the. On the population bomb and the race bomb. Nice try. And they buried that baby like there's no tomorrow and kept this guy propped up. He's still around.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, he was in Obama's administration, remember, he was the climate czar, wasn't he?

[Adam Curry]

For a little bit, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

It's almost a comedy to watch this, by the way, at this point.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Race Bomb. Let's see. Do we have a little blurb on this? Race Bomb the Population by the author of street crime, failing schools, decaying cities, high unemployment, soaring welfare costs. The fuse is lit. The race bomb. Skin color, prejudice and intelligence. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, get a hold of that book, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't even have a wiki page for like.

[Adam Curry]

No, they keep that. This is one of the. What I would call a major suppressed work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. I got to order a copy. It's available on Amazon, people. Oh, that's interesting. Anyway, it all comes down to that. And so now. And I understand, now I understand this report because I've been reading about the EU and other countries starting to tax shipping. So ships get a carbon tax for ships because, you know, the ships are polluting the oceans. And I think we're going to. This will be the new tactic, the new attack surface, if you will, for the climate zealots.

[Adam Curry]

It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Less than a day after US President.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump delivered this opinion on climate change.

[John C. Dvorak]

Opinion. It's an opinion. An opinion held by many podcasters, including the no Agenda Show. Less than a day after US President.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump delivered this opinion on climate change, then they said global warming will kill the world. All of these predictions were wrong. They were made by stupid people. Some of those informed and experienced scientists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Informed and experienced scientists were also at.

[Adam Curry]

The UN Warning against imbalances on our planet now getting more dangerous. Johann Rockstrom is the director of the Potstash Institute.

[John C. Dvorak]

We fail unless we safeguard the world's most powerful carbon sink and planetary cooling system. A healthy planet.

[Adam Curry]

The latest health stressor in that Potsdam Report, how acidic our oceans have become.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aha.

[Adam Curry]

Because they've been absorbing the carbon humans have been burning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just like when we add carbon dioxide to coke, that makes the soft drink more acidic.

[Adam Curry]

Chris Harley teaches ocean.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a sec.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that true? If you add. Listen to what he said. Just like when we add carbon dioxide to coke, that makes the soft drink more acidic. Crisp. Does it? Makes it more acidic?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, it's. Carbon dioxide creates carbonic acid, which is acidic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And then they double up on it with coke to make it more acidic than that. They add phosphoric acid to that to double. So it's very. It's an acidic drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's killing us, basically.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. It's delicious. Chris Harley teaches ocean science and climate change at the University of British Columbia. He says the latest report shows the soaking up of that carbon. It's changing the chemistry of the ocean, leaving fewer building blocks for corals, oysters, mussels and Crabs.

[John C. Dvorak]

It makes it harder to build shell, and you need to add shell if.

[Adam Curry]

You want to grow bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sort of like building a house, and all of a sudden the building ma become more costly. You're either going to build smaller homes or not as many. Explain that analogy to me.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what the calcium cycle looks like, because it's calcium that makes the shells. And I don't know if the acidity retards that process or not. So I can't explain it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. But a better analogy would have been, you know, your cement, your concrete is no longer strong, or your rebar is weak. No, instead, he says building materials became more expensive, so then we build less houses. In his mind is something about, by.

[Adam Curry]

Expensive, I think he meant scarce. And when you bring in boatloads of seafood, size matters. Consider BC's Dungeness crab industry, estimated to be worth $250 million annually. Cassima Porteous at the University of Toronto has studied those crabs.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

These kinds of levels of ocean acidification were affecting their sense of smell, reducing their ability to find food. So we potentially could see smaller animals, like produce fewer eggs and offspring, not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only affecting the food we eat, but.

[Adam Curry]

The food our food eats. And keep in mind, the oceans protect us by absorbing all that CO2. But too much, and that ability to absorb weakens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ocean acidification is a global problem with volcano impact.

[Adam Curry]

Iria Jimenez studies acidification's impact with the Hakai Institute in British Columbia. With oceans covering 70% of our planet, there's only one solution.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

We're predicting that the conditions in the ocean are still going to deteriorate for at least 50 years, if not more. So absolutely, it's urgent that we drastically reduce our emissions.

[Adam Curry]

The carbon footprint is a hoax.

[John C. Dvorak]

But as the ocean grows more acidic.

[Adam Curry]

It seems the top toxicity in climate discourse might stand in the way of the progress needed to save it. Progress.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing. Whatever President Trump says, just do the opposite. It's not true. Stop. You're crazy. You know, don't listen to him.

[Adam Curry]

My favorite thing of late is the fact that all these tiktokers. I don't have any tiktokers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually have one of the women.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, taking Tylenol is going to give me my baby autism bull crap. I'm going to eat all the Tylenol I can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, a lot of that.

[Adam Curry]

What? Idiot. I mean, whether, you know, whether it can be proven. And why would you do that? What kind of a lunatic are you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, these are all outstanding questions. So instead of Pulling a clip of one of those lunatics who was there with a big pregnant belly saying, watch me pound this Tylenol. Like, wow, I took this one.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

I watched Donald Trump's entire autism press conference and took four pages of notes. Big takeaway. He says Tylenol causes autism and that you shouldn't take Tylenol if you're pregnant and you shouldn't give Tylenol to your child. Trump says that we need to wait until 12 to give our children the hepatitis B vaccine because it's a sexually transmitted disease, so there's no reason to give it to an infant. Other parts of the world don't have Tylenol, who also don't have autism. First time in the press conference, he says, don't take Tylenol. There's no downside to not taking it when you're pregnant. He's going to issue a physician's notice and a safety label change to Tylenol.

[John C. Dvorak]

And initially, what I like about this lady is she believes that Trump is doing all this. It's all Trump. She doesn't. She barely even. I don't think she even brings in RFK junior. It's all Trump. Trump is an idiot. Why are you listening to Trump? He's. He says you shouldn't give a baby hepatitis B shot because it's sexually transmitted disease. She's saying it as if she's like, thinks this is crazy what he's saying. It's really. It's sad. Is what.

[Adam Curry]

Very strange.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's sad.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

He had a propaganda campaign that's basically a series of infomercials telling parents not to take the drug. Other fever reducer alternatives, and you should only use test Tylenol when the treatment is required. He says that in children, you could actually prolong viral illnesses if you give them Tylenol. He said it could also be a folate deficiency. Let's not forget this is all Trump, not a doctor. RFK claims that the model that they're currently using for medical research is going to yield results in the future for all other chronic illnesses. The NIH will use machine learning to help find the cure for autism. Machine learning, AKA AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. AI Rebranded machine learning. But it's not your chat GPT. That's what she's saying. Machine learning is a real thing that does actually work. It's just not sexy and no one wants to pump $2 trillion into it.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

To help find the cure for autism. We will not delay, as scientists often do in this medical research. There's historic shift in medical culture. That we are about to see in the United States. They're going to be sending letters to doctors to warn them of the dangers of recommending Tylenol to their pregnant patients. An overwhelming body of evidence pointing to an association between Tylenol and autism exists. The mindless practice of treating a fever is pointless and that the body's natural way of ridding a virus is healthy for a pregnant mother and for a young child. We should just let them have a fever instead of giving them Tylenol. That is an unnecessary drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I grew up in the Netherlands, and I remember moving there when I was just seven years old. And I had a fever, I had flu, whatever it was. And my parents were. They were like, okay, something's wrong. I was sick. And so they find a doctor. And the doctor, yes, I speak some English. I will come and take a look at your child. And he comes in and my mom's like, give him an antibiotic. And the doctor says, no, we don't do that here. It's good for him. He needs to sick it out. Sick it out, Ouchen, sick it out. And my parents were like, he's suffering, he's suffering. He said, no, we don't do that here. He'll be fine in a few days. And of course I sicked it out and I was fine in a few days. And that was for most things in the Netherlands, my entire youth growing up there, really. I mean, antibiotics, no, they would not prescribe that. And I think that has changed throughout the years. I think that the Dutch were much healthier back then. They had healthy bodies. And by the way, if you look at the Dutch from World War II to probably the 90s, mid-80s 90s, man, these were like big, strong, healthy people biking. And it's because they really were biking. Once they got their bikes back, they were biking again for decades. And they were healthy until it kind of crept in and, you know, World Health Organization, just the globalization of medicine. And I guess they finally gave into it. But that is true. The thing that just saddens me is that, what do these women think? That the president is purposely doing this as a joke? Or like, you know, he wants to hurt you? Wouldn't you at least think about it or investigate it? And of course, their diet, their media diet, as you've been pointing out for the past few episodes, is so restrictive, so restrictive to certain news programs and newspapers and news outlets as well as the, in general, pharmaceutical funded media because of the advertising. By the way, I got a note from someone saying, you Sound like anti vaxxers. You're anti pharma. I work in bed. No, we're not.

[Adam Curry]

We've had a bunch of people like that that write it, bitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we're not. No, we've said again we could be president because we've been. You in particular have been talking about the Hepatitis B vaccine for as long as I can remember. Like it makes no sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, when that first came out, which was some years back, I had a doctor at the time who'd retired long since, but, but he was the one who gave me two clues. One I said, I went in and I asked for, I said, is this new vaccine, should I get it? This is like 30 years ago. And he says, what would you want that for? You gonna start working with blood? Are you gonna become a drug addict? What do you want this vaccine?

[John C. Dvorak]

What are you planning, Dvorak?

[Adam Curry]

What are you planning? And he scolded me for even considering it. And this is as an adult, not as a four month old baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he some years later mentioned, just out of the blue, he says, you know, I think people are. It was during some flu thing when, when he, he's the one who gave me the D3 tip that the insider. Doctor insiders use which is the mega doses of D3 if you're feeling sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

He says, I think people are over vaccinated. It's just a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well of course it is. And we're not anti vax, we're not anti big pharma.

[Adam Curry]

No, I got a. In fact I did get a vaccine during this, during the era of the show I got a shot for. I got Prevnar 13.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've never been quite the same to be honest about it. So this is just an example of how the big pharma fund and this is if we have any qualms about this is we don't like the fact that there's no honest reporting or conversation in news media because of their.

[Adam Curry]

It's dishonest. Exactly. That's the problem. And the pharma guy who wrote to you should, should realize that, you know. Yes. We're not going to be part of some, some, some scheme to just keep promoting their products which take out, you know, they, and they shouldn't be advertising.

[John C. Dvorak]

Either, which is happening. You know, they're moving to podcasts now. There's a lot of pharma advertising happening now on podcasts. So this is ABC.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

We are joined now by ABC News medical correspondent Dr. Darian Sutton with more facts and news myths about Tylenol use in pregnant women. Dr. Sutton, thank you so much for being here. Let's just get right to it. Can Tylenol use in pregnant women cause autism?

[John C. Dvorak]

The leading evidence and the strongest evidence shows us that there is no association between the use of Tylenol in pregnancy and the outcome of autism. Okay, so this is a great response. This is right from Hill and Knowlton. This is, you know, your crisis management. The leading evidence and the strongest evidence. Isn't that just evidence? There's evidence or there's no evidence, but it's the leading and strongest. Well, that's all very subjective.

[Adam Curry]

That's very good. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very, very subjective information.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Tylenol use in pregnant women cause autism.

[John C. Dvorak]

The leading evidence and the strongest evidence shows us that there is no association between the use of Tylenol in pregnancy and the outcome of autism. Just to backtrack in terms of where this all came from, there was a recent study done by Harvard in collaboration with Mount Sinai, and it found that there was an association in the rate of Tylenol use or acetaminophen use during pregnancy and the outcome of autism. Important to note here, the authors of that study went on to state that that does not state that there is a cause and effect relationship. Reasons why are because, for one, there are many reasons why a pregnant mom might take Tylenol for a fever, an infection for pain, all of which we know are directly associated with poor outcomes in terms of neurodevelopmental disorders. So it's a important to understand that association does not mean cause and effect. So what he's saying is it's not the Tylenol, it's the infection you got. It's the fever you had. It wasn't the Tylenol. It was whatever you got that made you take Tylenol, which is just an amazing conclusion.

[Adam Curry]

Having said all that, the diagnoses for autism have increased in recent years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Certainly.

[Adam Curry]

To what do you attribute that? I. I know it's tremendously complex. Yeah. But get into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're absolutely right. Neurodevelopmental disorders are tremendously complex. And we understand through research and data that up to 80% of cases of autism are related to genetic changes. Important to understand there. And so genetic changes, what does that mean? They're related to genetic changes.

[Adam Curry]

What genetic. Has the human genome as a whole changed somehow from something or other? What could that be?

[John C. Dvorak]

Are tremendously complex. And we understand through research and data that up to 80% of cases of autism are related to genetic changes. Important to understand there in Terms of the increase, there are many reasons why we can look to. Number one, the increase in awareness of more people understand what autism looks like, the reduction in stigma, the increase in screening for parents, and then also the broadening of the diagnosis. We are a long way from 1910, when the earliest descriptions of autism were diagnosed or determined. And now we are here today. It looks very different from when it did. And also more adults are diagnosing themselves with autism. All of these are reasons why we're seeing the rise in the rates. Also with that being said, with that rise in the rate, there's a reduction in vaccine participation. There's also a reduction in Tylenol use in pregnancy. And those two things do not go in consistent with the President's statements. There's a reduction in vaccine, therefore more autism is what I just heard him say.

[Adam Curry]

Say.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he, he threw out the. And I've. I've fallen for this as well. The. Well, there's more diagnosis that there's more understanding. So of course the number goes up. And this, the, the spectrum is so incredibly wide. And this came up with the Cuomo kid on whatever that network he's on. What's he on?

[Adam Curry]

No, not Newsmax News. News Nation News.

[John C. Dvorak]

I forget what. So many of them.

[Adam Curry]

He's. Too many of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's on. Is General Flynn funding that one? Okay, News Nation. And, and he had.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's the. The News Nation is the Chicago Tribune.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, so called, used to be wgn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Oh, I didn't realize.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so the world's greatest newspapers. What that's called sign is WGN World's greatest newspaper.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't know that. WGN World's greatest newspaper. Good to know. So Cuomo Kid has RFK Jr on and uses this exact phrase and RFK Jr slaps him down. One answer is, well, Bobby, the reason.

[Adam Curry]

We get a lot more now is because everything gets a diagnosis these days. Every kid has at least two diagnoses for what we used to just call behavior. So now they're putting all these kids on the autism spectrum because that is. That, that is kind of like the fashion of the moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the answer to why we're seeing more. Do you accept that that is nonsense? It is an absurd industry driven canard. There's been a study after study after study in high gravitas journals by the best research organizations and institutions and universities around this country that shows that theologism epidemic is real. And Chris, it's also just common sense. If it was just a matter a better diagnosis or better recognition. You would see it in older people. You know, the epidemic is taking place in a specific generation and it's kids who were born after 1989. That's what you said. You don't see, you know, it's not. You don't see autism one in every single 31 people my age. I have never seen somebody my age, 71 years old with full blown autism. That means profound autism. That means non verbal, non toilet trained head banging, the stimming or the stereotypical.

[Adam Curry]

Features of the disease.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't see that. And these are not people who are locked in some institution somewhere. There are no places for people like that. Right. And so why, if it was, if it was anything other than an epidemic, why would you only see it in a single generation? Right, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Fair point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fair point, yes. And I had to look up stimming. Stimming. What is stimming?

[Adam Curry]

Stimming, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stimming is three behaviors of stimming. Motor movements like flapping hands, twirling hair, rocking back and forth, spinning. Remember spinning?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, spinning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kids spinning. Verbalizations like repeating phrases or sounds and object manipulation such as repeatedly spinning an object. So stimming. Stimming. Let's, let's look at what the FDA actually published, which will give us a little more information. Then I have some producer feedback. FDA says evidence in recent years has suggested a correlation between acetaminophen use during pregnancy and subsequent diagnosis of conditions like autism and adhd. Multiple large, large scale cohort studies, including the nurses Health Study 2 and the Boston Birth Cohort find this association. Some studies have. So that may not be the leading data or the leading research, but that's what they're quoting. Some studies have described that risk may be most pronounced when acetaminophen is taken chronically throughout pregnancy. It is important to note that while an association acetaminophen and neurological conditions has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature. It is also noted that acetaminophen is the only over the counter drug approved for use to treat fevers during pregnancy. And high fevers in pregnant women can pose a risk to their children. Additionally, aspirin and ibuprofen have well documented adverse impacts on the fetus. So they're a little less firm in their written documentation as it came across what the President said, so that's a given. Rob the constitutional lawyer checked in and he said, well, it is very interesting that there has been a Multi district litigation proceeding in federal court in New York in which the plaintiffs have long been alleging that Tylenol and other acetaminophen makers failed to warn pregnant mothers that the drug may cause autism, ADHD and other things. The Trump administration's announcement this week has thrown major drama into the case. And he has a whole. He has a recap for us. A bunch of folks sued the acetaminophen manufacturers in a wave of failure to warn, which is basically what they were, what the President was saying, we're going to warn everybody about this product liability cases. These were not class actions. Too many differences in the individual facts, but they were similar enough to be grouped together and sent to a single court efficiently to efficiently handle various common pretrial matters. So he doesn't really know if that's going to have this announcement's going to have any bearing on that case. But then one of our litigator attorneys checked in and said, here's my take and I thought this was good. From what I seen, it's Tylenol in conjunction with vaccinations that is producing brain damage. The vaxes have statutory immunity and those cases get shunted off to the federal court of claims, Vax Court Division. The federal vaccination court is basically a board of adjustment that pays some compensation but is not a real adversarial process and there's no discovery. With this move, he says Tylenol is going to get sued in federal court as the product doesn't have immunity. The insured plaintiffs need to prove that Tylenol, either alone or in concert with vaccination, caused the autism 10 view and Johnson and Johnson's position to escape liability will have to be it was the vaccine alone that caused the injury. So both sides are going to subpoena the vaccine manufacturers for research and data. Both sides will put on experts about vaccination interactions. At the end of the day, both sides are going to be making public that the vaccinations are not always safe and effective. I think this is the goal to cause the public outcry as a reason to rescind vaccination. Statutory immunity.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that good?

[Adam Curry]

Letter of the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that good? That could be a workaround if that's what they're doing.

[Adam Curry]

Kennedy's the kind of guy, he's an attorney, he's a lawyer, and I think he's a litigator too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he is.

[Adam Curry]

But Kennedy's been in the business forever and he knows the tricks. Yep, this was a trick.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm like, yeah, that sounds right to me. A total trick. Yep. That's what I'm talking about. That's.

[Adam Curry]

And that's why the no Agenda show is worth your time and, and money. Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody comes up with this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is.

[Adam Curry]

And all we do is use our producers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're not, you know, we're. We have kind of collective knowledge. But it doesn't get the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not to that level that I was.

[Adam Curry]

I mean it's something I could see. You could kind of maybe think of it now. Now it's better to get it from some guy who's think actually literally thinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we don't have the, the cred. We don't have the paperwork.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not, it, no, it's not even the credits that we don't have the mindset. We're not sitting thinking about how to sue somebody 247 because that's our job.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I haven't shared that yet with, with Rob, our In House Legal Stuff staff. But I'm sure he's listening and he'll. He'll. Because I think he has now switched to the litigation side. He used to be defense. I think he's now he's a shark. He's a shark.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's what. He has the right idea. He's a good guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's going where the money is. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He sent me. I sent me. Or told me about, you know, who to send my list of books to to get 2000 and I actually did. You know, I've actually done 27 books.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy mackerel. Does that include the vinegar book or is that.

[Adam Curry]

No, not including the vinegar book. No, 27 books. So I had so that potential for $3,000 a book. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

You're going to retire if I. Oh yeah, I'm going to retire on that. I don't think so, but it'd be nice. I get a couple cases of wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that would be. And because I've seen the emails go back and forth until I got dropped, which is appropriate. You're getting a lot of nice gratis legal advice there. I mean it's value for value, obviously.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But it's because the crowd. We're crowdsourcing everything and they want us to succeed because we represent them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amen to that.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of the world's greatest newspaper, here's a quick report from wgn.

[Adam Curry]

Medical experts issued a warning about rising cases of a nightmare bacteria, a type of infection that does not respond to most antibiotics. While the number of cases are still low, researchers at the Centers for Disease Control found infection rates rose 70% from 2019 to 2023. Difficult to treat bacteria with the NDM gene drove the sharp increase. Doctors say overuse and misuse of a number of number of antibiotics could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

To blame because bacteria can develop resistance.

[Adam Curry]

They also say there are likely a number of unrecognized carriers of the bacteria.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which could lead to community spread.

[Adam Curry]

70%. What is that in numbers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who knows?

[Adam Curry]

It went up 70%. How many is that? Is that seven?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who knows? I just like nightmare bacteria.

[Adam Curry]

I like nightmare bacteria.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little long for.

[Adam Curry]

A show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Title, but I wrote it down. I wrote it down. I wrote it down.

[Adam Curry]

It won't get through. We'll get through the filters.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's a little problem that I want to recognize with the show. And the problem is this. And it started because you said on the last episode, you said, I'm coming over to your side now. I don't think we went to the moon. I'm paraphrasing. You were very careful about it, but that's kind of what you said, right?

[Adam Curry]

I take it back now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't take it back. Wait until I'm finished. You can't. This Indian giver can't do that. So what happened?

[Adam Curry]

Indian giver.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, I'm racist. Where does that even come from? Indian giver. Were the Indians people who gave and took back? Were they horrible people?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I think it had. I think it really is insult to the whites because they gave to the Indians. Here you can have this land now you don't have it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's ask the robot.

[Adam Curry]

So you're giving to the Indians, but you're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's ask the robot. Error. Where does the term Indian giver originate from?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

It comes from colonial times when Europeans notice that Native Americans often expected goods given as gifts, like in trade or treaties, to be returned or reciprocated. Indian was a catch all term settlers used and the phrase got twisted into meaning someone who takes back what they give. Pretty unfair label. Honestly. More about cultural misunderstandings than actual behavior.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if I like that answer.

[Adam Curry]

So it's just a twisted misinterpretation of the actual phrase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, racist. Okay, racist. So here's what happens. So we doesn't really even matter. We have a conversation and people come out of the woodwork telling me, don't you know about the Van Allen belts? Don't you know this? Don't you know that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, God, we've talked about the Van Allen belts for decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the problem with the show. Show. Because we are responsible for raising a new generation. I mean, we're so old. How old are we? We're so old we are now raising a new generation. And we have discussed these things ad nauseam so many times that we don't even bother talking about them anymore.

[Adam Curry]

No, we are assumed. We assume.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes, a very dangerous thing to do do. Yeah, we assume that people have heard our 18 years of material.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, and there's only maybe, I would say possibly a hundred people total have listened to every show since episode one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a small number. All the rest are dead.

[Adam Curry]

It's a small number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So what I would recommend is go to Bingit IO before you jump on us. You might actually learn things because we have fleshed out these things so many times. And Bingit IO built by deanonymous. You can get your own for your own podcast. All this information is when you go to Bingit IO, Bingit IO you can search all 18 years of transcripts. When you click on where you want to be, it plays the audio, the clips are in there. Show everything is in there, there. So check there before you jump down our throats. Now, the latest news from NASA is very interesting here as, as. Because I don't know if you heard, but we're going. We're going to the moon. We're going back to the moon.

[Adam Curry]

Victor, Christina, Jeremy, we're going to the moon. They've been together as a crew for.

[John C. Dvorak]

The excitement is still there. Every day that passes puts them closer to flying an Orion capsule to the moon and back. There is danger, but it's outweighed tenfold by anticipation.

[Adam Curry]

For me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually feel completely 100% bought in. When I get an Orion, it's like.

[Adam Curry]

Climbing into my bed and I'll feel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Warm and tucked in a metal and plastic bed. That Cambridge camaraderie is going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Important on the mission.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's short only nine and a half days, but it will be in very close quarters, basically a week and a half in a space about the size of a minivan. The Canadian on board, by the way, takes up more space than the others. Yeah, Canada did get more than its fair share of the volume on this mission. I've heard it acknowledged many times. So I'm getting a little bit conscious about my size. Artemis 2 won't land on the moon. It's very much a test run for missions that will everything they'll do from launch to landing is to make sure it works. We do all of this training, all this preparation, we're buying down all this risk, always thinking about what are we handing off to the next crew?

[Adam Curry]

Is what we're developing going to help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them achieve that objective? A couple of months ago, the crew says they locked themselves up up to brainstorm a name for their capsule. They wanted something hopeful that spoke to their values. When NASA gives the okay for the crew to launch, they'll do so in the spacecraft integrity. Okay, so once again, we're not going back to the moon because we're not going to land on the moon, which to me is dubious. And here's a note that I must read in that voice. So, Adam, let me get this straight. You believe that a sandals wearing guy died on a cross and then came back to life, but you can't believe humans walked on the moon. The former being documented in an apocryphal bunch of papyrus leaves and the apocryphal.

[Adam Curry]

Apocryphal.

[John C. Dvorak]

The former being documented in an apocryphal bunch of papyrus leaves and the latter being actually televised. You also believe that some 100,000 people who worked on the program just made it all up. It would have been easier back in the 60s to just do it than fake it. We didn't have AI back then. I almost had to stop POD midstream after hearing this crap.

[Adam Curry]

Pod.

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, I work for NASA. My reviews do not reflect those of my employers, but I'm sure they'd also call bullshit on your hoax hypothesis, says Zach. Well, isn't it interesting, Zach, that yes, a bunch of papyrus leaves are still printed in the millions today as proof, while NASA could not Keep track of 700 cases of tapes and telemetry data, lost all the blueprints to everything. Why, yes, Isn't it amazing what documentation is still here? Just unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think you've got him by the balls with that argument because the fact is that, yes, there is a bible, which is what you're referring to for people that don't understand what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they got it.

[Adam Curry]

And that still floats around and it keeps being reprinted and it's been passed along. It floats around and half of the information from. From the moon landing, it's gone. What happened to it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's just.

[Adam Curry]

And so if you're going to be presenting yourself as a NASA employee, although you're not representing NASA, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

How do you lose all this good data?

[John C. Dvorak]

Also, I'd like to Point out that it was not televised. What we are told is that they beamed down television signals and a television camera filmed the monitor and broadcast that on television. And then he goes on to say, yes, amateurs can track missions and the associated Doppler shift of moon missions. Yeah, I know they can. The fact is NASA is calling on them to do it because they need help from amateur radio operators. That's strange. Particularly when President Nixon called the astronauts from the White House. Hey, how you doing? No delay. Doing good, Mr. Pres. No delay. Okay, good job, everybody. How about that moon rock we gave to the Dutch? That wasn't a moon rock. I can go on forever. I just pray that these poor astronauts don't fry in the Van Allen Belts on their way up there. I'm not quite sure what they're going to do for fuel, but we'll see because they're going to make it all the way. And yes, it'll be very easy to fake it these days. I don't know why you're still in denial, Joe.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that because at some point you've got to trust the experts who told us that it happened. And I watched it. I was a little kid. I was watching too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I watched my dad got up in.

[Adam Curry]

The middle of the night. I saw him landing on the moon. I saw the jumping off those spacecraft and saying, one small step for man, one large step for mankind. Could have said womankind, people kind would have been better. He could have rewritten that. I met Neil Armstrong years later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And did you say, hey, did you really walk on the moon?

[Adam Curry]

The funny thing about, you know, I think the. The problem. I've mentioned this of all. I won't say who called me the other day, but some famous person called me and said that they're not. Don't believe they came, went to the moon. A person with a big ego that probably would like to be mentioned, but I'm not going to say. And I mentioned that I met Neil Armstrong. And he gives off an air of not wanting to discuss it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course he doesn't. He doesn't. He's sick of that. He doesn't want to. He knows. He knows, he knows.

[Adam Curry]

Well, all I remember is the press conference after the moon. After they got back from the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they were not. They didn't look like a bunch of happy campers. And you'd think after making that trip and then getting back safely, you'd be very happy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, there was none of that. I remember that. Well, they were happy when they got those Corvettes, they liked that part. Shut up. Shut up and have a Corvette.

[Adam Curry]

Corvette.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a Rolex. Shut up. Up.

[Adam Curry]

Rolex and a Corvette. All you have to do is shut up. Can you do that? Yeah, sure. We're military. We know what to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you know, you'll, you'll have a, you'll be writing books. You can, you're going to do Star Trek conventions for the rest of your life. It's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. Actually he did respond because I responded very similar to what I just said. And he said, okay, Doubting Thomas. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, a doubting Thomas. That's a biblical reference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, Thomas actually then put his finger in the nail holes in Jesus's hand and in his side and went, oh, okay Chief. So another poor follow up by NASA. Is this the level of NASA? People working at NASA?

[Adam Curry]

That's why Musk is doing so well.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kidding. What a scam that is. I'm going to Mars. There's more chance we have an exit strike.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't Musk the one who said that they need a refueling station?

[John C. Dvorak]

You need a refueling station on the way to the moon?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Is that what he said?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So I don't.

[Adam Curry]

That doesn't make any sense because his rockets are bigger than Saturn V. I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think it's 240,000 miles to the moon, if I'm not mistaken. Might be 239. I don't think we have much evidence of people being higher than 400 miles. People.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I believe the space. Unlike you, I believe the space station exists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no, but.

[Adam Curry]

And there are people floating around in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but the space station is not that high.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not. It's not that high.

[John C. Dvorak]

How high is the space station?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

The International Space station orbits about 240 miles above Earth.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. 240 miles. A big deal.

[Adam Curry]

So it's 1,000 times closer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So good luck because the moon is 250,000 basically 250,000 miles away.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's quite far.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well you can see it. So it can't be that far.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you don't know how big it is. We don't know anything. And it could be hollow. It could be hollow.

[Adam Curry]

I am kind of a believer in the hollow moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm with you. You remember they, they bonked the, the nuke against it and they heard, they heard a dong.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't that, wasn't that recent.

[Adam Curry]

And it's in a perfect. And it's One of the few. It's one of the only moons in the entire solar system. I think it's the only one that is in a perfect orbit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is that. Is that.

[Adam Curry]

So they're all elliptical or they all got some. They're off a bit. You know, they're just kind of lopsided. No, ours is around perfectly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm. I wish I knew about the. I wish I could find that clip of the. Of the hollow moon.

[Adam Curry]

The donk.

[John C. Dvorak]

The donk. Wow. I heard a bell ring. And then, of course, there's Operation High Jump, which no one wants to talk about.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, talk about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Operation High Jump. That's when they. They. Well, hold on, here we go. Error. Give me a synopsis of Operation High Jump. Jump.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Operation High Jump was this massive U.S. navy expedition back in 1946, right after World War II. Thousands of troops, ships, planes, all heading to Antarctica.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, she's so annoying. She's. I said synopsis. You give me those long thing. They basically tried to shoot through the. The. Now I can't remember the term. Now I have a T shirt.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Even.

[Adam Curry]

Even.

[John C. Dvorak]

The firmament. The firmament above us, which doesn't allow us to actually go that high. And they tried to blow it up with nukes, and it was unsuccessful. That's the story. I'm not going to trust Wikipedia on it.

[Adam Curry]

What? She got the year on that. There was no nukes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but this.

[Adam Curry]

That were big enough to do. There were rockets to do that. That doesn't make sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think she's correct.

[Adam Curry]

I think you got this wrong, whatever it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't have this wrong. Operation High Jump. The. Okay, I'll get back on the next show and I'll.

[Adam Curry]

I want a report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you'll have a report. You'll have a report on Operation High Jump.

[Adam Curry]

This is part of your. The nuttiness of some of the stuff you come up with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call it nutty, if you will. Okay, so while we're on Nutty.

[Adam Curry]

Crackpot.

[John C. Dvorak]

While we're on Nutty, I'm apparently as nutty as one of Putin's top advisers, supposedly. Who knows? And I don't even know if this is a current report, because what would we know because of the number? But I think the Russians are onto the stablecoin gambit.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

In case you missed it, Anton Kobiakov, a senior advisor to Russian President Vladimir Putin, made a bold claim this week at the Eastern Economic Forum, stating that the United States is preparing to rethink, reset the system using crypto and gold to Erase its massive debt burden.

[Adam Curry]

America is trying to change the rules in the gold and cryptocurrency markets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember how much debt they have? $35 trillion.

[Adam Curry]

Driving everyone where, into the cryptocurrency cloud. Right now they have a $35 trillion currency debt. They move it into crypto, into the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cloud, devalue it, and start from scratch. Yeah, baby. That's the gambit. That's the gambit right there.

[Adam Curry]

There. That's a pretty good way of putting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, whatever works.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, although, see what's disappointing is the guy talks about 35 trillion when I think it's 37 trillion.

[Adam Curry]

It might be, but I think it's. No, I think the new limit is 37. I think it's still 35, but I could be wrong. Okay, but, but that, that wasn't about stablecoin, and I think stablecoin is the kicker here.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's. But he's, he's a Russian. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Stablecoin coin falls under crypto. That's. They're just calling stable coins.

[Adam Curry]

I don't get that.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean you don't get it? It runs on blockchain, so that's why they're calling it crypto.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, blockchain. Okay, well, as long as it runs, it's under blockchain. I'm good to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's safe and effective.

[Adam Curry]

I'm waiting for the blockchain meets AI and then we got some. We got action.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what's gonna. What, how do you see that? What do you say?

[Adam Curry]

I don't, I don't get it. I mean, when somebody sees it and puts it together and you have blockchain AI Boom. Moneymaker.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so here's the latest. Since you bring it up. The. Still trying to figure out how this is all going to work. How is this going to make any money? Especially with the most recent report that came out of. Let me see, who did this. This was a big. This is CNBC reporting. AI generated work slots is here. It's killing teamwork and causing a multi million dollar productivity problem, say researchers. This came out of Stanford, that people are just being inundated with AI generated work content, masquerading as good content, but lack substance to meaningful advance and meaningfully advance any given task. They're calling it work slop. 40% of people say they've received work slop in the last month, which means emails that are just written by AI where you basically have to pull it through AI on the other side, on the receiving side, to understand what they're saying. People taking more time, having to read through what, what, what is this PowerPoint that you've created?

[Adam Curry]

For me, that is a time waster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course it is. And people are just throwing stuff into AI and throwing it into the workplace.

[Adam Curry]

Well, once it started happening in the legal world where they had, you know, people would throw case law and it was all bull crap. They're just making stuff up. And the judge had to go through. This is a huge waste of the judicial system's time.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'll remind everybody of The Bain & Company report, which actually. No, this. No, what I'll remind you of is the, that Sam Altman at one point said it's going to take $7 trillion. Remember that? He was talking to the Saudis. We need some of your sovereign wealth fund because I really need $7 trillion to scale this thing to work. Now, Bain and Company, no slouches in the money business. Their report says 2 trillion in new revenue needed to fund AI scaling trend. This is from their sixth annual Global Technology Report headline. Even with AI related savings, investors are still $800 billion short in annual revenue required to profitably fund the Data Centers of 2030. Agentic AI innovation is unprecedented, but most companies remain in experimentation mode before taking their hands off the wheel. And finally, here we go show. Quantum computing could unlock as much as $250 billion in market value across industries. So how are we funding all this? Well, wouldn't you know it? Now we have Nvidia putting $100 billion into OpenAI. This is officially a circle jerk.

[Adam Curry]

Jensen, step back for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, a few days.

[Adam Curry]

You're all over the place, literally. I mean, you're in the uk. I saw the white bow tie and all that. The talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice.

[Adam Curry]

Here he is, very nice. But you're also doing a lot of investments. The intel investment announced last week, quite a bit smaller than this one, but seems significant also because it's weaving in video technology in the PC and data center level in a way that perhaps it wasn't before. Where do these kinds of investments fit in? How do you think about the value of the ecosystem to Nvidia? The intel partnership is about recognizing that accelerated computing in AI's day has arrived. Remember, general purpose computing was invented practically 60 years ago. And for the last 60 years we've been following that basic blueprint, that basic architecture, you know, to build the ecosystem, the computing. Stop, stop. You have to back it up. He said what was invented 50 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think what he's saying is that AI, the concept, you know, going back to the. The guy at mit, that the whole concept of how this works was invented 60, 50, I think says 60 years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. I was an editor of InfoWorld in the 80s when this was. When this cropped up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Well, it comes back every decade.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not decade. It comes back every 30 or 40 years. Well, it takes that long. It was this. People lose their shirts and they're all out of business. It takes forever to rebuild your wealth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Then we get an AI Winter. That's. That's a term.

[Adam Curry]

But.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so what do you remember?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I remember a couple of things. One, the guy out of mit, who I think you're talking about could be a couple different guys. I have to think of some names.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll give you the name.

[Adam Curry]

And there's a guy at Stanford called McCarthy, and their guy, MIT, was the Eliza.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Minsky and the guy from the ELIZA computer, Weizenbaum.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that. That predated that by a lot. Eliza was way before.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Weizenbaum worked with Minsky, I'm pretty sure.

[Adam Curry]

No, I know, but I'm saying that Eliza was like in the 70s.

[John C. Dvorak]

60S, 60s. 60s. Okay, 60s.

[Adam Curry]

And the AI thing that Minsky and these guys were all dealing with was really started in the 80s.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was Lisp.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Lisp was part of that, but it wasn't the whole thing. It was just one. One element.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it was built on the ELIZA scripts. I've looked at this history, so I'm just saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, okay, whatever the case, Minsky and these guys were off the mark. And there was a guy out of Stanford called Vavatsky who was the one who was pushing the neural network idea, which is what's finally evolved, and he's get given no credit. Mysteriously died in Australia, and I hate.

[John C. Dvorak]

It when that happens.

[Adam Curry]

Wrote a thesis that had a bunch of interesting stuff in it, which I. He has the model for war, for who can win a war as an algorithm, which is used by the Pentagon, I'm told. And he has a bunch of other screwball information about psychology and a bunch of things in this thesis he wrote at Stanford, and he was a professor there, and he's the one that was in the neural networks. And neural networks kind of came and went because they couldn't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be.

[Adam Curry]

They couldn't get them to work. I mean, the idea was good intel had a chip which I have a copy of one of the first neural network chips, and they dropped the ball completely on that. And then now it re evolved into what we have today, which is the neural network, which is what talks to the large language model. And you need that neural network in the middle to do the work. And so this whole thing is a mishmash, but there's issues, and they still. It still doesn't think.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it doesn't think at all. And by the way, can we hook that chip up?

[Adam Curry]

Can you put it on a archive? So finding the chip, can you put it on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

On a breadboard and hook it up to the Internet?

[Adam Curry]

So you probably could, if you could find some specs where the pinouts with the pin outs do run.

[John C. Dvorak]

Run some, some GitHub stuff on it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. It's a good question because that chip is pretty. I. I don't even know what. What Intel.

[John C. Dvorak]

See if you can find it.

[Adam Curry]

It. I had. I think I know where it is, but what difference does it make unless I can find a specs for it? It's not just a chip with a bunch of pins coming out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's continue with this nonsense, this hundred billion dollars.

[Adam Curry]

The intel partnership is about recognizing that accelerated computing.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the term. This is. See, there's a subtle shift in the marketing speak here. Accelerated computing. They're taking the intelligence out of AI and they're calling it accelerated computing, which, to be fair, is actually a pretty good name for it because there is some accelerated computing components to it. It allows me to vibe code something, you know, kind of. There's no intelligence, no memory capacity, but it's accelerated. It's accelerated my capacity to sling some Python scripts. Yes, I like accelerating computing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it definitely accelerates the art generator. How do you think about the value of the ecosystem to Nvidia? The intel partnership is about recognizing that accelerated computing in AI's day has arrived. Remember, general purpose computing was invented practically 60 years ago. And for the last 60 years, we've been following that basic blueprint, that basic architecture to build the ecosystem, the computing of the world. And so all of us, sudden, accelerated computing's time has come, and we're fusing, if you will, the intel architecture with the Nvidia architecture to bring them into the world of accelerated computing and AI. So that's what that partnership's about. I mean, this is, you know, monumental in size. There's never been an engineering project, a technical project of this complexity and this scale ever. And it really just says that AI was in the early adopter phase in the labs. And finally, it's breaking out into just about every single industry, every single use case we could imagine it is very soon where every single word, every single interaction, every single image video that we experience on, you know, in through computers will somehow have been reasoned through or referenced by or generated by AI. It's going to be tough. Touched by AI somehow. So all of our computing experiences throughout the day, everywhere, in every industry will be powered by AI. This is the first 10 gigawatts. It's surely. It sounds like an enormous, enormous undertaking, but there's no question that AI is transformational for every industry. But the important thing is the AI infrastructure will be everywhere and it will power computing experiences for everyone every day. And it's going to be just everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So accelerated computing. Computer experiences.

[Adam Curry]

This is to me the never ending battle between personal computing and mainframes. This is just an attempt to get the desktop computer hooked up to something else. So you don't have any real autonomy. The autonomy is what you want. You want. You want desktop AI. I mean this is no good with. Everything they're talking about is no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Though this is an Nvidia term, accelerated computing. So what is.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, Nvidia is in for a big surprise when they deal with the corporate culture at intel and the arrogance of that company. And it's just built in. It's in their DNA. I see. It's just they're arrogant and they're assholes in a. In a way that's unbelievable that they will not be able to deal with it because. Because Nvidia guys are just all cool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Leather jackets and stuff. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There is a really. I mean everyone I know that's ever worked there, including my son who worked there for a while. They're all just laid back. It's nothing like Intel.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what is accelerated computing? Here's the Nvidia blog. Accelerated computing is the use of specialized hardware to dramatically speed up work using parallel process that bundles frequently occurring tasks. It offloads demanding work that can bog down CPUs. Your little poor CPU at home. And processors that typically execute tasks in serial fashion. Cloud. Because accelerated computing on Nvidia GPUs can do more work in less time. It's energy efficient. Oh yeah. Wow. Consuming less energy than general purpose servers that employ CPUs.

[Adam Curry]

We need nuclear power plants for these systems. But they bro. They're so efficient.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why accelerated computing is sustainable computing users worldwide are documenting energy efficiency gains with AI and accelerated computing. Wow. This is great. Who wrote this? Born in the PC, accelerated Computing came of age in supercomputers. It lives today in your smartphone and every cloud service there it is. And now companies of every stripe are adopting it to transform their business with data accelerated computers. Blend CPUs. Blend them, they blend. Will it blend?

[Adam Curry]

No, I could do that with my Blendtec blender.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will it blend? They blend CPUs and other kinds of processors together as equals in an architecture sometimes called heterogeneous computing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is you. I mean, even if they asked us to, we couldn't write this bull crap. We. We'd be embarrassed.

[Adam Curry]

It's. It's too. Yes, it's. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'd be.

[Adam Curry]

AI wrote it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We. We'd be in. Oh, hpc. What is hpc?

[Adam Curry]

High Performance Computing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, there you go. High performance computing plus GPUs equals accelerated science.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

This family of GPUs destined for the data center. Expanded on a regular cadence with a six. This is definitely written by AI. Expanded on a regular cadence with a succession of new architectures named after innovators like Tesla, Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell, Pascal, Volta, Turing, Ampere, Hopper and Blackwell. These guys are smoking crack. It's unbelievable. But you can watch it. It's AI smarts of DoorDash and Domino's. It's improved our food delivery systems.

[Adam Curry]

Has it now?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it has. So anyway, so now the money is, you know, no one is. They need 800 billion more. Hey, you want your money back, you got to give us 800 billion more. More?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's almost like a racket.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's a. It's a Ponzi scheme. Like, ah, we need to. Oh, just a little bit more, man. Just a little bit more. I just need 800 billion more. Well, you know, Sam Altman said it was going to be 7 trillion. I think he's right. I don't know what you get for your 7tr. $7 trillion? How much money do you have to make to be profitable on $7 trillion?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. So we had. I got a couple of funny stories. Well, I don't know how funny it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then we'll see. Are they funnier than my. Than my boots and barbecue story from the last show?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the one that went 17 minutes?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, that doesn't take any skill. Okay, okay, I have. It was a local news story. I'm trying to find it on my list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fremont murder.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Fremont. Now this is a crack. Okay, the only reason I. You have to imagine this, the Reason I picked the story up this local story from ktvu. It's a free a murder in Fremont. This is a long guy. The murderer.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a long clip.

[Adam Curry]

It probably get. How long is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

252.

[Adam Curry]

Play it. I'll cut it off but. But you have to imagine the murderer is an Indian guy who looks exactly like Cash Patel with those stupid, those eyeballs. You know, Kash Patel's like he's not quite cross eyed. What is wrong with his eyes bugging out. You don't know what the deal is. So this guy is a murderer and it brought me to another clip which I have to follow it. Let's play this first and we'll see what I did wrong here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Disturbing new details in a deadly stabbing in Fremont tonight. A man is accused of tracking down and murdering his victim, a registered sex offender. Police say the suspect was motivated by the criminal past of his victim.

[John C. Dvorak]

Court documents also suggesting the 29 year old suspect wanted to find someone he considered quote, easy to kill.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

New attend KTV's Betty, you dug through those documents and is live outside side of the Fremont Police Department with more Betty Claudine. The details here are chilling and they've really shaken this quiet Fremont community. We've learned that the victim and the suspect did not know each other. In fact, police say that the suspect picked his murder victim that morning and then killed him that very afternoon. 29 year old Varun Suresh is accused of stabbing and killing 71 year old David Brimmer last Thursday. According to court documents obtained by ktvu. Cresh told police he had wanted to kill a sex offender for years because they hurt children and deserved to die. He allegedly said he found Bremer on the Megan's Law website and picked him because he was a quote, old guy and easy to kill. Brimmer had served nine years in prison after a 1995 conviction for committing lewd acts with a child. Police say Suraj Prison posed as an accountant going door to door before approaching Bremer's home on Solstice Court. He allegedly attacked Bremer at the doorstep. Brimmer ran down the street, eventually forcing his way into a neighbor's home on Upper Vintner Circle. But Cresh caught up stabbing him in the neck and ultimately killing him near the lawn.

[Adam Curry]

I'm shocked. I don't expect something like this happen in Fremont because I have never experienced something like this in last 30 years.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Police say Suresh stayed on scene and court records show he told police he didn't plan to Escape. And even said, I'm hoping that because the victim is a pedophile. Like, everyone hates pedophiles. So, like, it should be cool.

[Adam Curry]

I know that lie. That was the punchline. I don't know why I didn't get cut off. He thought, don't worry about. I'm gonna kill a guy, but everyone's gonna love me for doing it, because it was. But he doesn't realize that everybody hates murderers too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a Luigi thing. Yeah, it's a Luigi thing.

[Adam Curry]

So. But that brought me to. That was really pathetic story. But that brought me to an old clip that just happened to show up floating around.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it when that happens.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funny. It's just happened. This is a Shirley Temple on the. Shirley Temple Black.

[John C. Dvorak]

The most abused actress in history.

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe to some extent, but if you listen to the story, maybe not. But this is her talking to Larry King, probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I remember this clip. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

This is a great clip.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

When I left Fox, I went to MGM for one picture. Thank goodness, only one. And when I got there with my mother, we were separated. She went into the office of Louis B. Mayer and I went into the office of Arthur Freed. He was going to talk to me about a movie he wanted to put me in. I'm 12 years old, you know. And I thought he was a producer, but instead he was an exhibitor. And I'd never seen anyone naked before except myself. So I had no clue about what was happening. So it struck me, so fun, funny. I laughed at him and I laughed uproariously. I had tears, you know. And he got infuriated and he said, out, out, out, go.

[Adam Curry]

Did you tell your mother?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Well, I went down.

[Adam Curry]

It was very quiet. I went down and met her in.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

The lobby of the administration building. She came up very quietly from Louis B. Mayer's office. And we walked hand in hand, silently to the car, which was unusual. We got in the car, driving home, I said, mom, you won't believe what happened to me.

[Adam Curry]

And I told her what happened, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

She got kind of quiet and she.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Said, well, you don't know what happened to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Louis B. Mer wasn't as bad as.

[Adam Curry]

Freed was to me. He came on to my mother.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

And so we both decided that we.

[Adam Curry]

Didn'T like MGM much.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

It was better at Fox.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a horrible story.

[Adam Curry]

It's horrible. But it's like, if you're gonna. You know, that Hollywood. Unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mm. Well, speaking of Epstein. Yeah. This is so. I've. I've heard this story in Fredericksburg. But one of our producers actually wrote it down. And I want to read it to you because this is doing the rounds. It's about the trump card. The trump card.

[Adam Curry]

And this is a gossip in Fredericksburg, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it is.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so we can assume there's military intelligence involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

The trump card for foreigners is to buy their way into the US So the world's blackmailed elite who are on the Epstein and similar lists are given an opportunity to get out from under their blackmail and start over. So they flip on the blackmailers, cooperate with U.S. authorities and are given the opportunity to buy their citizenship, AKA safe passage, and bring their wealth with them tax free. That's the platinum code card. Not a bad price for the truth and the evidence. This is also why the release of the Epstein list has been delayed as these agreements are still taking shape. See, the trump card is a little delayed, but it took them a little longer to get it all together. Cash Patel is embedded with this process through his Vegas ties as the liaison between both worlds. Because Cash has a storied past relating to all these blackmail operations, making him the perfect middleman man. That's why he's been stalling and acting shady. Now you know the true story.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God. What a. What a contrived story. That. That is a good one, though.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it.

[Adam Curry]

So in other words, what we're witnessing here is instead of the. The Epstein list is. It's a blackmail scheme. Of course. The FBI has always been blackmailers. Yeah, yeah, we know. That goes back to J. Edgar Hoover and the CIA.

[John C. Dvorak]

CIA does it too.

[Adam Curry]

And the CIA does the same thing, but not as, you know, but they're not as well known for it. And so this is just part of the long term, the big, the. The long arc of blackmail. And so they have the list of the bad dudes that were involved with Epstein and they're making them pay up, basically. Is that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the idea.

[Adam Curry]

Pay up or else.

[John C. Dvorak]

The world is fantastic. It's so fun.

[Adam Curry]

It's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Totally fun. Speaking of Epstein, take a look at this.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

A big statue popped up on the National Mall. It's President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein holding hands and skipping. The plaque in front of it says, quote, in honor of friendship month. At this point, nobody has taken credit for this pop up display. And this is just one of many temporary statues that have appeared on the mall recently. A few others were a big bunch of bananas and one of President Trump holding up a bitcoin. Whoever is behind this most recent statue Got a permit from the Park Service. The permit says the statue can stay up until Sunday.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the best part. They got a permit for it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, at least they. At least they went through channels. I think that's a plus.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can get a. We can get a permit for a Curry Dvorak statue on the mall. Skipping.

[Adam Curry]

You know what, what bothers me to this day is that if you recall, during 2016, during the show era, there were all these naked fiberglass stat statues of Trump that were put all over the place. There was one in San Francisco. Yeah, and. And exactly why I didn't orchestrate. You know, all you have to do is get to get the right gear, a hard hat, clipboard, orange vest, and a pickup truck. It.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Orange vest, hard hat, clipboard, pickup truck optional. And you're good to go.

[Adam Curry]

And you go drive it with a couple dudes and you go grab one of those. Those things that has got to do. As someone who is an archivist, that has got to be one of the great collectibles ever made.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Get some dudes from Home Depot material. Yes, it is. It's perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Why I didn't grab the one in San Francisco, I'm not absolutely sure what I was saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's beyond me. You could have put it.

[Adam Curry]

Beyond me. I feel very disappointed.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could have put it next to myself. You could put it next to your AI Chip. It would have been a perfect addition to the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the closet.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, I'm going to call Glenn Beck and. And suggest that we have a Dvorak wing to his library. Because the stuff you've got, I'm sure Beck would be like, wow, this is like that Chip. He'll love that. You've got all kinds of like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that ship might be something.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you've got a treasure trove. And I think that if. If we.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he. He has. He would really like the Trump statue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he would love to have that. I mean, where they all go.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they made about 20 of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, we should have Jay with. Pay Jay to catalog. She needs. But by the way, to do that, she needs a hard hat and a clipboard because she might die under a deluge, if any.

[Adam Curry]

And the yellow vest, you need that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just in case you need to cordon it off, because, man, it's a danger zone.

[Adam Curry]

It's actually. I'm sorry. It's an orange vest and a yellow hard hat. That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm telling you, Glenn will be happy Happy with your stuff? Happy with. Happy. It's happy, I tell you. Oh, man.

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually, I can talk about the Kimmel stuff or we can go to break.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, let's do Kimmel stuff for a second because that is worth discussing.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, Kimmel was taken off the air for four days or something, and everyone made a big fuss about it. And of course, nobody wants to talk about Kimmel's commentary during When Roseanne was taken off in 1980.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have actually, we looked it up and she was taken off the air because she tweeted that Valerie Jarrett, then President Obama's handler, looked like an ape.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she looked like a woman, like one of the actresses in Planet of the Apes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think she just said she looked like an ape. I don't think.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she was an ape. I mean, the Planet of the Apes is about apes. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, but, and then she, she, then she went all soft and was like, well, I was on Ambien and like, come on, Rosie.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she, she wimped out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she wimped out big time. And so that, that was the reason she was fired.

[Adam Curry]

But, but Kimmel went on, and I think I put one of the memes in the newsletter, has what he had to say. And it was largely, ABC has every right to take her off the air. ABC is a business and ABC this and ABC that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so he defended her getting kicked off the air. Air. And now, of course, when it happened to him, he's whining and he's expecting everybody to, you know, keep him on the air. And they, you know, he's back for a moment. Got 6.2 million viewers on the, on the show. His first show back, which is, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, stop right there. 0.8% in the demo.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the demo's the demo. Yeah. He's got nothing in the demo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not even 1% of the advertising demographic.

[Adam Curry]

What's the demo? It's 18 to what?

[John C. Dvorak]

1849 and 1849. Now, 0.87% is much higher than he usually does, and that equates to about, roughly about a million people in the demo. So if he had that every single night, I think that, you know, looking at the numbers, so that's a thousand CPMs. So a CPM has got to be pretty high. They could do much better if he had had a 0.87 in the demo. But it's still, as the demo goes, it's pathetic. You can put your money elsewhere as an advertiser.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that's the problem. So they're losing, they say, 20 million a year on the show. And they're probably not going to. There's nothing's going to change.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, all those viral pictures and video. Look, they're dismantling his set. Guess that was bull crap. Crap.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm sorry. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there was everyone like, it's over. Look, they're. They're shipping a set out the back door. No, they weren't.

[Adam Curry]

I never saw any of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this writing, you know, it's like a Candace Owens level thing. Well, we've done some sleuthing. I have the receipts stooping.

[Adam Curry]

Candace Owens.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have the receipts. Yeah. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. She's definitely a.

[John C. Dvorak]

For herself now.

[Adam Curry]

So we have. These are clip. This is. I think I've got four clips of Kimmel acting. I cut it because this first clip is acting for sure. And then he does some material. He had. He. Basically the whole show was a monologue. He brought in. He did skits and bits. He had. Come on, you watched it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're. You're in the demo. You're one of the 6.2 million. Yeah, yeah, I watch it.

[Adam Curry]

I have a show to do here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's listen to Kimmel acting. One cannot be allowed to control what.

[Adam Curry]

We do and do not say on television and that we have to stand up to it. I've been hearing a lot about what I need to say and do tonight. And the truth is I don't think what I have to say is going to make much of a difference. If you like me, like me. If you don't, you don't. I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind. But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human. And that is, you understand that it was never mind intention to make light.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of the murder of a young man. No, this is not acting. That's real.

[Adam Curry]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a. He's a crybaby. He cries.

[Adam Curry]

He is a crybaby, but cries all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a crybaby.

[Adam Curry]

But he starts it off by saying the government has no right to tell broadcasters what they can and cannot do. That's bull crap. These are licensed. These licenses, you know, they're. They're standards. They're standards practice. Ever heard of standards and practice?

[John C. Dvorak]

ABC had nothing to do with it. I mean, they had nothing to do with the broadcast license. They have a small amount of. Of owned affiliates.

[Adam Curry]

They have a lot of onos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but the. The big boys are out there. But okay, fine. It's it's a mute but the point.

[Adam Curry]

The point is is that he can't just do and say whatever he wants and he never does apologize for saying that it was the MAGA guys who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Killed the no, he, he said it was all about the joke that the.

[Adam Curry]

President it's about the joke and Trump can't take a joke. In fact, I think maybe that's in clip 2 should the government be allowed to regulate which podcasts the cell phone companies and WI fi providers are allowed.

[John C. Dvorak]

To let you download to make sure.

[Adam Curry]

They serve the public interest?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, I hadn't heard this part of it. That's really interesting. Why? No but that has been argued many, many, many times all the way up to the Supreme Court level level as to whether the telephone network is a equivalent to broadcast spectrum or if it is an open resource that you should be able to do everything you want on it. We have separate laws for that known as wire fraud and rico. But this no no Jimmy Kimmel this has been argued a long time before we were born.

[Adam Curry]

You think that sounds crazy. Ten years ago this sounded crazy crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brendan Carr, the chairman of the FCC.

[Adam Curry]

Telling an American company we can do this the easy way or the hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way and that these companies can find ways to change conduct and take action on Kimmel or there's going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Additional work for the FCC ahead in addition to being a direct violation of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The First Amendment is not a particularly.

[Adam Curry]

Intelligent threat to make in public.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ted Cruz said he sounded like a mafioso. Yeah, Ted Cruz did himself no favors with with that because Cruz as a lawyer should know much better than that. What a dope. He's a dope.

[Adam Curry]

The the other thing is that's interesting here is that I don't I've said this before because I worked in the government long enough to know one thing. Don't start prodding bureaucrats bad ideas idea it's just not in it's not going to work out for you. They've got nothing better to do than because they're usually bored they're in the road there's nothing to do. But if they get and the word the term for the novices out there is hard on. They get a hard on for you and they go at they find some ways to make your life miserable by the way they do it because there's nothing it's more it's fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a veiled reference to Joe Rogan I think is a good point from the troll room to say that about podcasts and should they be allowed over this cell phone network. I'm sure he's got a hard on that Rogan has a much bigger audience than he has.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not even comparable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And probably a bigger paycheck.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know. I mean, yeah, Rogan gets a big paycheck. He divvies it out, you know, is gross. But I mean, Kimmel gets $16 million for a. For a show that loses 20 million. I mean, it's ridiculous. Right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so here we go. The third clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

The FCC has a tradition of meddling.

[Adam Curry]

Where they shouldn't under many administrations. But it wasn't always like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was an FCC commissioner back in 2022 who worked under Joe Biden who was spot on.

[Adam Curry]

He wrote, president Biden is right. Political satire is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is one of the oldest and most.

[Adam Curry]

Important forms of free speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

It challenges those in power while using.

[Adam Curry]

Humor to draw more people into the discussion. That's why people in influential positions have always targeted it for censorship.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know who wrote that?

[Adam Curry]

FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it wasn't about the satire. But that's okay. Whatever.

[Adam Curry]

I thought that was a good bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he, again, is prodding a bureaucrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, but this is what you do. Howard Stern made a career out of doing this, and it was disingenuous because he would say, the FCC won't let me say these words. The FCC won't let me talk about this. That is factually not true. It was the station owners and the broadcast licensees who wouldn't let him do that because they knew that if. Because with broadcast license spectrum, there's certain words you can't say before the watershed moment. 10pm and Stern made a whole big thing about I'm the man. It's against the man. And once he didn't have the man when he moved to Sirius and he could say whatever he wanted, it fell apart because he didn't have that anymore. So Kimmel is doing a smart thing here, despite you thinking it's don't prod the.

[Adam Curry]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

The bureaucrat. It's the only thing he can do. And I probably would have done the same from a what if. If I were in that position. That's what you do. You. You. You go against the man. This will.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, good luck.

[John C. Dvorak]

This will. This will garner popularity for Kimmel.

[Adam Curry]

It.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will work to a degree.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know. You know, he. His numbers will go down every night ever since.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, they.

[Adam Curry]

It was a good bit. I mean, I think it's funny. I think overall, he did a decent job. He never apologized and he blamed Trump for the whole thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that. That's what you do. That is the only thing he can.

[Adam Curry]

Do is, generally speaking, lame. And here's a final.

[John C. Dvorak]

Truth to power, man. I'm speaking truth to power. We're under attack here, and I think.

[Adam Curry]

Unjustly, this puts them at risk. The President of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Work here fired from our jobs. I thought I was going to say me and the hundreds of people who watch, but no.

[Adam Curry]

The President of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Work here fired from our jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Our leader celebrates Americans losing their livelihoods because he can't take a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say there he screws it up. No one cares about you losing your job. No one cares about that. Oh, and the hundreds of people who work here. You do an entertainment show, bro. No. By the way, the biggest loser of the night was Gavin Newsom, who went on Colbert show the same night that Kimmel comes back.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, again, Newsom, of course, made a fool of himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it comes. So, look, I just.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's important to have those civilization engagements. I think it's important to dialogue, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Important to learn from your opponents, and it's important to reconcile your weaknesses.

[Adam Curry]

As a Democratic Party, we have a lot of work to do to make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up for our failures in the past.

[Adam Curry]

We got crushed in this last election, and now we're in a position where.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are struggling to communicate, we're struggling.

[Adam Curry]

To win back now the majority in the House of Representatives. And that's a big part of what I'm doing. Not just today in terms of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Work out here, raising money, but also.

[Adam Curry]

Raising awareness around how Donald Trump is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trying to rig the midterm elections and how I fear that we will not have an election in 2028. I really mean that in the core of my soul.

[Adam Curry]

Unless we wake up to the code.

[John C. Dvorak]

Red, what's happening in this country.

[Adam Curry]

Code Red. And we wake up soberly to how serious this moment is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, yes. APPLAUSE Very serious moment. We're not going to have elections in 2028. Wow. He could move to Fredericksburg. That is great. Of course, not really mentioned in any reports of actual government censorship is this little diddy.

[Adam Curry]

YouTube will soon reinstate users who are banned from spreading misinformation about the COVID.

[John C. Dvorak]

19 pandemic and the 2020 election.

[Adam Curry]

YouTube's parent company Alphabet, disclosed the move in a letter submitted in the House Judiciary Committee. Republicans are investigating whether the Biden administration forced tech companies to restrict speech on their platforms. In the letter, Alphabet's lawyer wrote the administration pressured the company to remove content that it said did not violate YouTube's policies. Gee. Yeah, that got no coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Why would it, why would it needs no coverage.

[Adam Curry]

No. Kimmel got all the coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he. Because he's all awesome. He's a hero.

[Adam Curry]

He's awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the Robin Hood of late night is what he is. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the Cs in the accelerated computing say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Divorce.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, in the morning, you, Mr. Adam Curry. What's on the ground? Feed the air. Stumps in the water, all the names of nights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Good morning to the trolls in the troll room. Stop running around trolls. Pretty close back to our normal 1800, 1768, the peakage. Peak trollage. So that's good. Trolls are here. Trolls are willing to hear what's happening. They want to know. They, they, they are not interested in ballistics or exit wounds. They just want to hear what's really going on in their world. We're going to the moon. We're not going to land, but we're going to the moon. All of it here on the no Agenda show. Alice we're going to the moon. And of course you can listen to can join the trolls in the, in the troll rooms. Noagendastream.com trollroom IO and always be listening on a modern podcast app, which you will get an alert when we go live on the show because we do this live before a live studio troll audience, which is actually quite beneficial to the show because we get real time feedback. Lots of trolling, 60% trolling and good one liners. People look stuff up sometimes, sometimes they don't. But yeah, it's good. And your modern podcast app, which you could [e-mail] is better than your legacy app for a couple of reasons. One, when we go live, you get the bat signal and it'll give you an alert on your phone, on your supercomputer in your pocket. You tap it, you're listening live in your podcast app. It's amazing. And then of course, if you can't and you're just a subscriber to the podcast, which means you want to get notified when we post it, you'll get it within 90 seconds of the show being posted. We run value for value. Value. No. Hoops. No. Oh, man. I've been hearing some. Some horrible things about some of these advertising deals. You know, if you're on.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so, like, people should go unmentioned, but if you're. If you're on Rumble, and Rumble will offer you a. An advertising deal, and they'll give you 500 bucks a month. And every show, Every show, you have to read this whole thing about some vitamins, and you have to pretend that you're taking them and you feel great. Great. I'd rather be poor.

[Adam Curry]

I feel great. I've been taking these vitamins and I've never felt better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd rather be poor. It's amazing. No, we don't want.

[Adam Curry]

500 bucks is not worth it. I'll tell you what. I'd do that in a minute if it was a million dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, of course.

[Adam Curry]

A show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hey, I'll dance naked for a million dollars. A show.

[Adam Curry]

Show. You heard him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send us your Bitcoin. Only 10 Bitcoin, everybody. And then, yeah, you're. You're good to go. I'll come to your house.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So, no, we don't. We don't.

[Adam Curry]

Weakening the deal is what we call that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're not interested in that. And really, we start off, we had no interest in having meetings with advertisers. That's the worst. That's worse than. Than pretending that you like the vitamins. None of that takes place here on the no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

So you're telling me. Hold on. That when I'm listening to these podcasts where they're talking about one thing, then they quickly jump into something else. That they're not taking these vitamins that are making them feel so much better.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're probably also not buying gold for their retirement. I'm just saying it's probably not true. That's my favorite. Whenever I buy gold. John, where do you buy your gold? Where do you buy your gold? I mean, I buy my gold from the gold guys over here because they get. Give me a fair price, and they give me these doubloons which are very exclusive. They're hard to come by, and they have pneumatic quality. Yeah, I could do it.

[Adam Curry]

It's a new mastic. That's a new word.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? New masticist. What is it? What is the word?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, now you say that word. That. Mispronounce it so badly, I can't think of how to pronounce numismatist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Numismatist.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, numismatism or something like for numismatics, I think might be it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what is the term. We're actually trying to describe.

[Adam Curry]

Coin collecting.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I mean. Okay, error. What is the term for a coin that collectors think is of great value?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

A sleeper. That's the term, sleeper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's not what I mean. Meant. How do I pronounce new masticism? Sickism.

[Adam Curry]

New masmatism.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

That'll trip anyone up. It's actually pneumatitis with a T in there. Close, though. English loves sneaky letters.

[John C. Dvorak]

What Pneumatitis does a P new.

[Adam Curry]

What is that? Some other word?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pneumatitis.

[Adam Curry]

I never even heard of that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, pneumatitis is something you don't want, okay, Unless you buy these vitamins, because then you're going to feel great. No pima makes your.

[Adam Curry]

Makes it burn when you urinate.

[John C. Dvorak]

No pima natutas for you.

[Adam Curry]

Error.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clearly hallucinating. So the way it works is we just give you all the value. It's open. It is the definition of free speech. All right? It's free. It's free. To you, it's free speech. Now it's just free speech. Speech, because there's. Freedom of speech is something I've been given by God. And the government's supposed to protect that which they don't. And free speech is what we give to you. It's a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

The government protects it pretty well. They put Kimmel back on the air, but he must.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're good. They are so good. So we give you the free speech in MP3 form, and then you can decide if you got any value out of that. We find it very valuable. But because we put a lot of our life and our energy and our time into doing this program, we do it as a public service. We're happy to do it. And we're happier when you return some value, time, talent, or treasure. And we want to thank some people who gave us. Well, obviously our producers, even the guy from NASA is appreciated. It's still value he's returning to us. I think we give more value to him, but it's valuable. I appreciate it. Even. Even negative value is still value. It's just. It detracts from all the other values somehow. And one way that people can give us value is by typing in words on a keyboard to create art. It's not a lot of value anymore, but we do appreciate people doing it. And the artwork for episode 1781, which we titled Hate of Speech. Perfect. Got a lot of traction. People liked it. This is by Darren o'. Neill. So, you know, it's AI and it was John and Adam in a little rocket ship. Ship cruising through the cosmos. And people loved it. People really liked it. This is where you say, yes, people liked it.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to the moon.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were going to the moon. And it was amazing how much people liked it. Now, we did look at a whole bunch of other AI generated pieces of slop, and let's see what we came up with.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we have to admit that when we get. When it comes down to. To. Darren o' Neill is the. Is the. I hate to say this, he's like the parachute. He's the fallback guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the injection seat.

[Adam Curry]

Like, he always has a piece or two that he rarely does. A piece that's not usable?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it's always usable.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes it's really good, and sometimes it's the one that wins. And he's won two or three times in a row every so often. He's got a lot of numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, was this his hat trick?

[Adam Curry]

It may have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it is. I think he had a hat trick.

[Adam Curry]

I think he might have. Let's look at the list of winners.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think he has a hat trick. Now, other pieces that were submitted. Jimmy Kimmel Dead instead of Jimmy Kimmel Live.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a hat trick because he did the robot. The Future is Now. He did the street signs, he did the rocket. And we made a point of discussing this, that we were not going to allow him to get a hat trick.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we didn't. We're like, whatever we do, we're not choosing Darren.

[Adam Curry]

And he gets it anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's uncanny how that happens. So let's see what else was there? There was some really bad orange from Darren Grimerica. Orange. Lots of orange stuff. More orange. Jeffrey. Ria. You got to find the different mug model. Jeffrey. It's too orange.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, just filter it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's too much work. A lot of trump cards which I just didn't see. It wasn't really funny. Was there anything else that we even discussed, Kind of liking? The 1984 awakening was cute idea, but really too small, honestly. Like the Apple commercial girl running up the aisle. Ice. You actually said, oh, the ice with the mask is funny. Like, no, it's not.

[Adam Curry]

Which one was that?

[John C. Dvorak]

The ice guy with the medical mask. It's called ice. It's a police officer with a medical mask. You thought it was funny. I was like, no, that's not funny.

[Adam Curry]

Can't even find it. Oh, there it is down at the bottom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't say anything about. Well, I said it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I like it. You did.

[Adam Curry]

You did say it was cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it was subtle. It was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're going to Jeffrey Rice.

[Adam Curry]

Jeffrey Rice. Whatever. Jeffrey Rice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, we're going to Space was the winner and well deserved. And I see lots more work slop has been submitted. So we'll have another depressing time looking for artwork. Although, I mean there are some real artists who are trying. What's always sad is so I'll get a new artist. Hey, man, I submitted handmade art, no AI and you look at it, it's like, oh, oh, that's too bad. Because the AI art is just funnier. I can't help it. A lot of it's funnier. I'm starting to use. I'm making to make some AI songs now.

[Adam Curry]

Do what?

[John C. Dvorak]

AI songs. I'm going to get some. I'm going to get me become an artist on.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you can do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You've always wanted to be in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Music business because it's so lucrative now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, now's the time to get in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You can make three, buy low, sell high. You can make three doll dollars. Three dollars is not a problem at all. Part of the value for value system is of course the monetary, the treasure that people support us with. Anything is appreciated, any amount. Anytime you feel that you got the value, just go to noagendadonations.com and send it off to us. Put a little note in there. We love reading the notes. We always thank everybody $50 and above. We're pretty transparent in that way. And you can see everything. You can see how we're doing. Make your own decision. And never seems to thwart anybody from wanting to support us, especially our executive and associate executive producers. If you're fortunate enough to be able to Support us with $200 or more, you get an official Hollywood credit of executive associate producer and we will read your short Note. If it's 300 or more, you become an executive producer. And these credits are real. They are accepted and recognized by Hollywood. Go take a [e-mail] where you can start an account if you don't have one already. As an executive producer, put on your LinkedIn, your X profile, your blue cry, whatever makes you feel good. So let us start with now we got a lot of notes today which was kind of nice. A lot of written typewritten Handwritten. And there he is. And we start with Sir Tommy Hawk. He is from Iowa City, Iowa, and sent US$500 and a handwritten note with.

[Adam Curry]

It was on a card too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is it a card?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Nice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I, I only see the, the handwritten part, so it's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, she's not going to take the whole picture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, but then, I don't know. It was a nice card, now, do I? Itm.

[Adam Curry]

You do now. I told you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Itm. Gents, today is my 19th birthday. Hey, we got it. We got a zoomer here, John. We got a zoomer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we do have a zoomer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course we do. Zoomers are good business. We like our zoomers. Let me get my everything ready here. Today is my 19th birthday and I decided to give myself the gift of a new title. Secretary General of the Heartland. Sounds good to me. Please play a little R2D2 karma and wish Nolan, best son in the universe, a happy birthday, Sir Tom. Does he have a kid already? You think it's him?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that guy's advanced.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty amazing. Hold on a second. Where's my R2D2? Thank you very much. Here it comes.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Sir Tommy.

[Adam Curry]

All the top donations are sent in as checks, which is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Adam Curry]

Garrett, was it? Garrett? No, it's Gansett. Gansett Boomer in Saunderstown, Rhode Island. Which is. I never heard of that one. You might have. No.333.3.33.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he has computer printed note. Yes, very nice.

[Adam Curry]

Printed note. Nicely printed. Dear John and Adams. 33333 ITM. This donation is overdue. Way overdue. I am a first time appearance. I am a first time appearance of what? Does it make no sense?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, read the whole sentence.

[Adam Curry]

I am a first time appearance of Adam on Joe Rogan Listener.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you, you go.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that makes sense. You both saved me from thinking. Oh, I'm sorry. You both saved me from thinking I was going crazy during the pandemic when nothing was making sense. Yes. This is what we do. I have learned so much about media deconstruction and narratives from you guys. I humbly request a de douching. You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've been notice. Have you noticed how no one attacks us anymore for the Ukraine? Nonsense. Because we were right. We told everybody it was nonsense and how it was set up. And it wasn't just evil Russia. You notice how that's kind of gone away, remember?

[Adam Curry]

All the time. But they did the same thing with Vax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Remember the hate. We got Stooges. Dame Patricia.

[Adam Curry]

That guy. That's that same guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

That guy. Dame Patricia is in Mercy, Merced. Merced, CA.333.33. She has a note as well. Dear John Adam, thank you so much for the entertainment on my daily walks. Double birthday celebration for me and my son Brian Lewis on September 20th. Plus, an outrageous plug for Brian's business, Brian Lewis's surface painting, featuring Italian plasters and specialty finishes in Atascadero, San Luis Obispo County, California. California. Text Brian. All right, write this down. Text Brian at 850-470-9917 so he knows you're a real person and not Yelp or Google trying to sell some advertising space. Claim your no agenda discount.

[Adam Curry]

Is there an area code involved here?

[John C. Dvorak]

850-470-9917. That is the area code. He's. She's doxing her son. It's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he's going to get some messages now. He gets some phone calls, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, hey. ITM baby. God bless you both and keep. Well, says Dame Patricia with the practically perfect penmanship in Merced, California. Thank you very much, Dame Patricia. Good to hear from you. Nicer.

[Adam Curry]

Saab. Sab sab s a b b of the Silver Valley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

333.33. And he has a note. Another note, another note. Jokes, printed paper. Here's some long overdue treasure for the invaluable and ongoing amygdala mitigation that you two provide. I've also. I've also been out hitting people in the mouth on the regular, which hit him closer to the middle. I often listen to the best podcasts in the universe while on my runs, and the combination of M5M d M5M deconstruction and a good physical workout is something I highly recommend. Not uncommon for me to burst out in laughter as I'm running down the path. Yeah, that's a great idea. It looks like somebody falling with a butterfly net. So if anyone seems or sees that, they probably think I'm nuts. As part of the treasure, I'd like to specifically recognize Adam's amazing production.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there we go. There we go. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

It's about time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The technical part is amazing, but the wisdom, wit, and humor are next. Next level. Boom. One that stands out in the Quite recent episode 1796, when JCD says this guy. I think it's the Al Hunt.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Al Hunt.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's the Every Time I see a Al. I now say AI. It's the Al Hunt in his name. I'm not absolutely sure. I can't remember. I sure can't remember an Adam. Adam instantly mutters, yeah, Mike's brother. Without hesitation. Absolutely fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't catch that one. A lot of people caught that. There's one of those little Easter eggs I slipped in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. I do them all the time, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I hate.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure. On a more serious note, I could feel the weight of the Charlie Kirk assassination, the first segment of episode 1798. 8. I'm still deeply saddened and also sick of it all. So, as you aptly put it, Adam, it makes me even more grateful for your faith, your voice, and also for the two of you having been able to deconstruct and try to make sense of it all. No. By the way, these lines are too long. There's not enough leading and typeface could be up at two points. No jingles, no karma, but prayers for all. Sir Saba of the Silver Valley.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, yes. Complaints. Complaints galore. And Franny Knutson. Knudsen. Knudsen.333.31. Also a note. The final note that we have. Dear John and Adam with 3.33.31. No, hold on. That's the wrong one. Here it is. 333.31. Hi, guys. With this added donation, I would like to take the title Dame Free Free of South Florida. Donate, people. And while you're at at it, support Turning Point USA for the future of this amazing country, I beg of you. Thank you for your courage. I hope this note finds you well. Says Dame Free Free. Oh, very nice. Thank you. Dame Free Free.

[Adam Curry]

On. We're with Brandon Johnson in East Hattam, Connecticut, 33300. Dear John, Adam is not a crackpot on British puppeteering. You're also correct about. About us having.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hating.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, us hating. Geez. Hating. If I can clear my. The frog in my throat. Hating the British. They infiltrated our education system and. And revised our books and curriculum so that would not be. So we would not be on guard against them. Yes, well, I pointed that out because of the old books.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pearson. That's Pearson. The publishing company. Pearson. This is a British company that does a lot of our educational material. Pearson.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's been going on, though, since World War II.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Well, hello. And then we have Agent 99 in Lagrange, Texas. I've been to Lagrange. I interviewed ZZ Top in Lagrange.

[Adam Curry]

It's not Lagrange.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not Lagrange. It's Lagrange.

[Adam Curry]

Huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

I interviewed ZZ Top there in 1985, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, beers then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except for Frank Beard. They certainly did. Did. And they were all alive. And now We've. We've lost 1, 2, 10, and 60 cents if 1985. I think so. Yeah. It was the Sharp Dressman. It was the Eliminator album. Sharp Dress man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I heard of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll forgo all the other things I said. Thanks for providing media deconstruction and demonstrating the mission of independent podcasting. Well, podcasting was never, you know, I take issue with the podcast industrial complex saying, oh, yeah, we need more respect for the indie podcasters. Screw you, podcast industrial complex. Well, because if you're. If you're not, you know, trying desperately to. To be at the top of the itunes chart and trying to make Joe Rogan money, then you're an indie. You're an indie pod. No, we're podcast. We were here from the beginning. You are the. The infiltrators. Podcasting was always meant to be independent of anything, and you're now all captured. Captured by running after downloads, which are phony. And you're phoning your download numbers for money. You're phoning. I hope you sleep poorly from it.

[Adam Curry]

Really gonna get sick from the vitamins.

[John C. Dvorak]

That too.

[Adam Curry]

All right, Eli, the coffee guy's up. And he came in with 209 25, which is the date. Fall is finally here. Enjoy the last gasp of warm weather. Actually, here where we are now, the warm weather begins. In fact, it was like 99 yesterday. First day of fall. Oh, no, it's really hot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's 80s here. It's 80s now for us. It's beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

This is the time it gets warm. It stays warm through November.

[John C. Dvorak]

I still have green grass. It's never happened since I've been in Texas that you have green grass. Throughout the entire summer, it has been beautiful. Go climate change.

[Adam Curry]

Global warming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go climate change. I love it.

[Adam Curry]

And take the opportunity to visit your local farmers market. The harvest is in, so there's a wide selection of things available. Support farmers and other small businessmen in your community today. He sells there too, by the way. At least in Illinois. I think if you don't have a market or a. Or are short a local coffee roaster, we got you covered. Gigawatt has some of the best coffees you've ever had at a great price. So visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. And by the way, we don't fake the fact that we drink this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

We drink it. We drink the stuff.

[Adam Curry]

We actually drink it. And it's improved my health. Stay caffeinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

My libido. Libido is up. I'm telling you, Gigawatt Coffee Roasters, it'll get you laid. People. William Lankford is in Negany. Negani. Negany, Michigan.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's Negaunee.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks like to me, maybe Negaunee. $200 associate executive producer credit for. Not for you, William.

[Adam Curry]

Switcheroo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Switcheroo for Marge Langford. That's Marge with a J. Happy birthday, my love, my lust, my passion for flower, my little chickadee, etc. Etc.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder what he did. I wonder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. You're in big trouble, bro. Okay, we hope that helped.

[Adam Curry]

Hope that helps. Oh, Linda Lupatkin's up. She's in Lakewood, Colorado. Yes, she's in Lakewood, Colorado. 200 bucks. Jobs karma for competitive. Competitive edge. She writes with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resumes. Job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lu, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, unlike Gigawatt Coffee, we have not abused Linda Lou Patkin's products. And we hope no.

[Adam Curry]

But I have a test out there. She's working with Brennan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And we'll see what happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Guaranteed success. When did it. When did she start? When did. How long?

[Adam Curry]

About a month ago or so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Oh, I'm very excited to see how that goes. Awesome. Well, thank you, Linda, and your fellow associate executive producers and the executive producers for episode 1801, 18 years of podcasting. Of indie podcasting. We'll be celebrating that in October. And of course, these titles are real accepted anywhere where podcast titles are recognized, or any Hollywood titles for that matter. And we'll be thanking the the rest of of our supporters $50 and above. In our second segment, I got to give Linda her jobs karma.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Support the no Agenda show with your value. In return for the value, go tonoagenDonations.com.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Net Ned says JCD has it right. Negany. Negany. Negany is how I should have pronounced that. Thank you. I'm very appreciative of the pronunciation Correction.

[Adam Curry]

And negany.

[John C. Dvorak]

Negany. Very good. Let's see. Well, we got that note about Charlie, and I think we have a. You know, we had tds Trump Derangement Syndrome. Now we have cds, which I think is a new thing we can categorize. CDS is Christian Derangement Syndrome. This is Tina Nguyen on msnbc, and it's obvious I'm a Christian nationalist.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

What you are seeing here is a movement called Christian nationalism that merges Christianity as it's been practiced in America for, you know, centuries with a very specific interpretation of what the Founding Fathers wanted, what Aristotle wanted, going all the way back to the ancients. You saw Larry Arne, who is the president of Hillsdale College and a proponent of this strain of interpretation of the Bible, merge Christianity and protecting the Western civilization values into one and the same thing. It's a big, very somewhat convoluted argument, but if you distill it into the right talking points, it really hits you in the patriotic heart area, as it were.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I learned something.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that Aristotle was a Christian.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think Aristotle got burned at the stake, didn't he?

[Adam Curry]

Or poisoned by hemlock or something. Hard to say. I can't remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the thing is, he wasn't a.

[Adam Curry]

What is she talking about? About.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is. So the idea here, and this is what was evident at the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I know you didn't watch it, but I did, is that the country was founded. The founders, the signers of the Declaration of Independence, many of them were Bible scholars. And MSNBC can't open a history book to see the truth of what the nation was founding on. Like Sam Adams said, suppose a nation in some distant region would take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate this conduct by precepts that are exhibited. What a utopia. What a paradise this region would be. The Bible is the best book in the world. He signed the Declaration of Independence. I mean, it goes on and on and on. All of these guys were all about the Bible. Well, but now MSNBC is like, this is some weird.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there are a bunch of atheists over at NBC. I don't know why you're obsessed with this. This is like TikTok videos to you. Now, I will say this. I had a history professor at Cal, a very famous one, who won the National Book Award that year with the book that he just came out with, which was a White Over Black famous book.

[John C. Dvorak]

White Over Black. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

White Over Black was about pre Civil War race relations. And. And he said that if you're going to study American history, you should read the Bible because you won't get it otherwise. And he wasn't like a Bible thumper.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Like you.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let me just get this right. My talking about my faith and the Bible irritates you in the same MANNER that your TikTok videos irritate me?

[Adam Curry]

No. That's what I thought I heard you do. My TikTok videos irritate you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they kind of do. But I put up with it because I love you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there you go. Same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Oh, they're good to go then. Now that we have that straight, let's go to when we have Comey.

[Adam Curry]

Comey Me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They're going to arrest this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking at it right now. This is sealed indictment.

[Adam Curry]

What? It's sealed. Joe de Genovo was right. Finally, a sealed indictment.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, let's. Let's do this. This is the. I think now we've been through this in the lifetime of this show, I want to say 15 to 20 times, we're gonna shut down the government. It actually did happen once.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I've got clips on it. Yes. Well, I think it happened more than once during the 18 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, give me your clips. What do you got? I got one clip. So.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is the bull crap. I mean, this bothers me more than anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

More than me reading the Bible?

[Adam Curry]

No, you can read the Bible. It's better than this. This is the night. First of all, they passed a big, beautiful bill. I was convinced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's for 20.

[Adam Curry]

So we got the government. Check out. Here's the. Here's the boring old story. This goes on. You're right. We've talked about this to excess. Yeah. Every year or two. This is government shutdown 1. This is the NPR report. Congress has less than a week until federal funding runs out. If lawmakers cannot come to an agreement by Tuesday, there could be no funding for federal services. Let's get an update now from NPR congressional correspondent Deirdre Walsh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi, Deirdre.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Hey, Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Scott.

[Adam Curry]

So the deadline is coming up next week for the Republicans controlling the House and the Senate. What are they proposing to avoid a shutdown?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Well, they're pushing a bill that would continue the current levels of funding for federal agencies for seven weeks through November 21st. The House narrowly passed that proposal last Friday, but it didn't have enough votes to. To advance in the Senate.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so what is happening on the Democratic side? Specifically Democrats in the Senate. They have their own plan yeah, right.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Democrats did roll out their own proposal last week. It advanced current levels of funding through October 31, but it also attached several health care provisions to it. Democrats want to extend subsidies for the Affordable Care act that help middle class, working class people buy health care, make it more affordable. They want to extend those. Those are due to expire at the end of December. They also want to roll back a lot of the Medicaid provisions that were sort of the core of the Republican tax bill that the President signed back in July. Republicans have said that proposal is a non starter. Initially, the President agreed to meet with the two top Democrats, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, tomorrow. But he abruptly canceled that meeting yesterday. And he called these demands unserious and said a meeting with Democrats at this point would be sort of non starters. So we're really at a stalemate and there's no negotiations going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no negotiations.

[Adam Curry]

So, first of all, medic. The Medicaid thing is a scam. It's only to provide more free medical care for illegal aliens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And in fact.

[Adam Curry]

So we know that's a bullcrap. But the other thing is when they say they want to make the Affordable Health Care act affordable. Wait, I thought it was affordable. It's called affordable.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's anything but. We went off of our insurance because we literally could not afford it. I mean, you're lucky because you're. You're over 65.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I mean, one. One advantage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'll say lucky in aircraft quotes, but. But I mean, yeah, we were looking at like $5,000 a month with an $8,000 deductible. Are you kidding me now? And so we got, you know, crowd.

[Adam Curry]

Health, but says affordable in the name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So affordable you get a bronze. A br. No, no. Cadillac plan for us. Bronze with three wheels and no hubcaps is not affordable. And it's lame. It's useless. And you got to fight everybody. Everything.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do have to fight everything. Yeah, yeah. There's part two. So, Deirdre, and we've asked you this before. If there's no spending approved by October 1, the government shuts down. In practical terms, what does it mean for, say, federal services for federal workers? Right.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

In terms of federal services, some functions of the federal government are deemed essential things like border protection, the Social Security program. It's mandatory spending. So those Social Security checks would still go out if there was a shutdown. Defense programs, border security programs would continue, airport security would continue. But federal workers, you Know, a lot of them will be furloughed and they won't be getting paid. There was a law that was, that was passed back in 2019 that ensures back pay for federal workers. But it's unclear how long a shutdown could last. And in the past, we've seen, you know, TSA agents who weren't getting paid not show up for work. And there were delays at airports.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There have reportedly been more than a dozen partial shutdowns over the past four decades. I guess this time, is it unusual that the two sides are not really negotiating?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

I mean, we're a week before. Sometimes things happen very quickly right ahead of the deadline. You know, Congress can work quickly when they're up against a deadline, but this time, the two sides are really far apart and very dug in. It seems very likely that we are headed towards a shutdown and sort of unclear what it will take to get out of it. And, you know, I think right now we're sort of in the middle of a messaging war that could go on for some time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I've got.

[Adam Curry]

Well, hold on a second. Who are. You know, the only reason this is happening is because there's a couple Republicans in the Senate that are voting no. Who are they? Why don't they tell us who they are?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on a second. That's not true. I think you're wrong on that. This needs a super majority. This needs 60 votes in this.

[Adam Curry]

I don't, I don't know that it does. I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do, because I have the CBS report.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries is speaking out this afternoon after President Trump canceled an Oval Office meeting with Democrats. Democrats. And this was to discuss the looming government shutdown set to start one week from tomorrow if no deal is reached.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's clear that Donald Trump and House Republicans and Senate Republicans are running scared, which is why they refuse to even sit down and have a conversation to discuss the Republican, Republican government shutdown and the health care crisis that is going to cause people in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Of America to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're all going to die.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

And for more on this, CBS News congressional correspondent Caitlin Huey Burns joins us now from our Washington bureau. Caitlin, very good to see you here. Can you talk about what stood out to you in that press conference? And how much weight do his words have at this point? Hey, Nancy, it's great to see you. Well, in just over a week, the government is poised to shut down if there can't be a deal reached to move forward with funding the Government. And what is on the table right now is something that passed the House of Representatives with Republican support. It's now over in the Senate side, and it's just essentially an extension of current government funding for the next seven weeks or so and also includes new security funding for members of Congress. In light of the traffic Charlie Kirk shooting. Democrats, however, want to use this as a point of leverage. Now, you may think, don't Republicans control the House and the Senate? That's true, they do. But in the Senate, they have to get 60 votes. Republicans don't have 60 votes to pass something. And so they're going to need support from Democrats to get any of this through. And so Democrats are using this as a point to say, this is what we want out of this if we're going to give you these votes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And notice the subtle. Not so subtle. This is a Republican shutdown. Okay. You know, at some point, I believe the American people will get tired of this. However, I will equally say, just looking at TikTok and Instagram, you are so right that people who have a different media diet, and that includes podcasts. Podcast, they really believe these things. They really, truly, honestly believe these things. They believe Charlie Kirk was a racist and that it's actually, you know, he said, in order to protect our Second Amendment, some people got to die. So that's. There you go. And every report, every single report has cut out the trans question just before he got shot. That is the most dishonest thing I think the media has done in a long time, long time. Where it just sounds like he's talking about gun violence and not trans gun violence. And so people don't know. And what they don't know, they don't know. The people who are yelling that Trump's going to take away my disability, taking away my Social Security, taking away my Medicare. Hasn't happened to anybody, but they still just believe it. And maybe they should be taking more Tylenol. I don't know. I think these problems will solve themselves. They won't be making more babies. They're taking Tylenol. So they'll kill everything they got. It's going to be a bunch of blithering idiots running around. It'll take a generation. We're going to have to sit through it and watch it. But maybe we'll emerge victorious and a better country for it. That sounded kind of dark.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a depressing piece of analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hey, I live in Fredericksburg. Everybody's pretty happy here. We're just worried about the Trump Gold card. That's all we're really concerned with here. And the grid going down.

[Adam Curry]

The grid's going down any minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

And actually today. The rapture is supposed to start today.

[Adam Curry]

No, it was yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it was the 25th.

[Adam Curry]

My understanding it was like either yesterday or the day before. According to. Of the maniac in South Africa. This happens all the time. There's some guy gets a vision, next thing you know, he's talking about this happening. It never happens. I wonder why. How about this clip? A little bit offbeat, but something worth worth talking about. This is the. Where's this thing? I just had it. I don't know. I'm. I'm. You know, you talk about the. The. There it is. Fake Ali Boo Boo or Al Boo Boo. The Al. You know, the Boo Booth dolls. Have you heard about these? Are you there? Oops.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wanted to see how you would respond if I got Raptured.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that would take a while and I'm not expecting that. So I'm not worried.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eventually, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

The dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. The boot. The Boo Boo. The Boo Boo dolls. Yes. I'm very. I'm very familiar with the. With the.

[Adam Curry]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's Labubu, not Al Boo Boo, but.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like maybe the Middle Eastern version.

[John C. Dvorak]

UK border officials have seized nearly $4 million worth of fake toys this year, most of which were copies of the highly popular Labubu dolls.

[Adam Curry]

More details from Charlotte Edwards.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Research for the Intellectual Property Office found that nearly half of the people who purchase counterfeit toys reported problems ranging from toys breaking to unsafe labeling, toxic smells and even reports of illness in children. 75% of fake toys seized this year failed safety tests. Experts testing the goods found banned chemicals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Linked to cancer and choking hazards.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Despite the dangers of fake toys, shoppers suggest cost remains the biggest driver when deciding what to buy. Only 27% consider with the product's safety.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, can we short these dolls? It would be great to short them. I mean, we should be able to make money on the way down.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. This. I mean, these boot. These dolls are horrible. Yeah, but it's like garbage pail dolls and, you know, Laughing Elmo or Tickle Me or whatever the hell it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, all of it.

[Adam Curry]

Furby. Yeah, that was a big deal for these things that become faddish and they catch on. And then the Chinese or some or the Koreans, it could be either one make copies of them and they flood the market with them, which is probably good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. It's just a sad state of affairs.

[Adam Curry]

And then they go on about, oh, they're unsafe. Why, what, they're toxic. What were the kids eating? The dolls? Now, what's going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a. A hilarious moment with Vice. Former Vice President Kamala Harris doing the rounds for her book 100.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes. If people haven't caught her on the. On the Rachel Maddow show on the circuit. Yes, she's in the Rachel Maddow show talking about gays, which was funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

If his reaction to that, since this part of the book has come out, if you've had any reflection on that, or I guess. I guess I'd ask you to just elaborate on that a little bit. It's hard to hear with you running, as you know. You know, you're the first woman elected vice president, You're a black woman and a South Asian woman elected that high office, very nearly elected president. To say that he couldn't be on the ticket, effectively because he was gay, it's hard to hear. No, no, no, that's not what I said.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, that's not what I said.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

That's that he couldn't be on the ticket.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly what she said.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Because he is gay. My point, as I write in the book, is that, that I was clear that in 107 days, in one of the most hotly contested elections for president of the United States, against someone like Donald Trump, who knows no floor.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is interesting. I don't know if people caught this, but she is basically saying that against Trump, he would just make fun of him for being gay, would say that gay people have no place in American government, and that she's a black woman who isn't a black woman. And this is. He has no floor. He's a horrible, horrible man.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

To be a black woman running for president, United States, and as a vice presidential running mate who's gay, a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it made me very sad. But I. I also realized it would be a real risk because the American.

[John C. Dvorak]

People would want to vote for that ticket. Are you now saying the American people wouldn't accept you, Ms. Harris? Is that what you're saying?

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

No matter how. You know, I've been an advocate and an ally.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm an ally. Oh, I'm an ally. You know me, I love the gays.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Of the LGBT community my entire life. It wasn't about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

So it wasn't about any. Any prejudice on my part, but congratulations. We had such a short period of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time so people could understand that a Gay man can do it. It's okay. Gays are the same. You know, I didn't have time to explain that.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

And the stakes were so high. I think Pete is a phenomenal, phenomenal public servant and I think America is and would be ready for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I need more days.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

But at when I had to make that decision with two weeks to go. Two weeks, you know, and maybe I was being too cautious. You know, I'll let our friends. We should all talk about that. Maybe I was. But that's the decision I made. And I'm. And I, as with everything else in the book, I'm being very candid about that. Yeah. With a great deal of sadness about also the fact that it might have been a risk.

[John C. Dvorak]

It might have been a risk. I'm so sad. What a horrible woman. She's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

These are great.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what, this is what identity politics gets you. It's like, oh, well, you know, I can't choose him because he's gay, even though I want all the gays to vote for me. And then, you know, well, you know, hey, I didn't have a choice because he's gay. I mean, this is.

[Adam Curry]

I know, it's classic.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's so sad. And of course, great choice. How'd you do with Waltz? That really worked.

[Adam Curry]

Who is more gay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably we didn't care. We cared that he's a nut job and that you're insincere and can't speak and you drink a lot. We think, I'm sure.

[Adam Curry]

Seem like, well, that's what everybody thinks. So she threw everybody under the bus, she said in the book. She says, well, I got to get a PDF of this book. Knows what I said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you just go and buy it if you can still get it? Because it's a hot book. It's hard to get now. It's hard to get a copy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

According to Rachel, it's going to sell a gajillion copies. She said.

[Adam Curry]

Rachel should be incensed. Yes, of course she should be incensed. But no, she can't quite be incensed.

[John C. Dvorak]

She should have said, as a gay man myself, I'm very incensed.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly what she should have, should have said. So she's gone off and she's thrown everyone. She threw Shapiro under the bus for being vain. She threw her running mate under the bus for being fat. She said he's fat.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have not. Now I need to buy the book. This sounds like a doozy.

[Adam Curry]

According, you know, Jesse Walters likes to read from the book because he's got. He thinks it's a great book because it's all gossip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell me you have a clip.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't. I didn't get a clip. But he's reading. Just reads randomly from the book and it's all nasty gossip about this and that. It's, it's, it sounds entertaining if you're, you know, it's. And it looks like a short read.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a big type.

[Adam Curry]

Big type.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So now I don't have any clips of anything. She's been floating around. She's here and there. She went down the View and they asked her about her screw up up on the View and she says, I don't think that hurt my campaign. And she says, I didn't think there was any, you know, I thought I didn't have to answer that question because everyone knew there was a difference between me and Biden. They could just look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, wonderful. All right, you got one last clip. Take us out here, Johnny boy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's see. What do we have? We have the. If it get one last good clip. Well, I wouldn't make some comments on which I think it'd be good. Which is the news day. Now this is a teaser from BBC, the BBC show Newsday. And I want to comment on the teaser and then we can leave news.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

And welcome to Newsday on the BBC World Service with James Copenhall and Katharine Barahunga. In the program today, China sets its first ever target to reduce carbon emissions, a major step in the fight against global warming.

[Adam Curry]

Ah. That was part of my other presentation where I bitch and moan and complain about. So let's don't play that as the last clip doesn't work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just going to play a clip and let it. I'm going to play a clip and let it stand.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got to do my.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Epic fail. It was an epic fail. I agree. So I want to play. This is a standalone. This is from Carl Reiner was on with Bill Maher on the. On his podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And this came up in the conversation. And I'm just going to play it and let it stand. And then, you know, maybe after the show we can talk about it. But I found this to be a very peculiar exchange.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what clip is this?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Danny Thomas Groom for Daddy Call Me Daddy podcast. Call me. Oh, well, that's a big room for daddy kids Thomas. And we don't want to go there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if we don't remember all in the family.

[Adam Curry]

You really remember that. Show I can remember. Make room for Daddy. Was your father friends with Danny Thomas?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Danny Thomas was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Danny Thomas and his production company. And Sheldon, right. Produced the Dick Van Dyke show, which was my dad's show, of course. Did. Did you know Danny Thomas? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was friends with, you know, I mean, Marlo I'm friends with, you know, to Tony Thomas went. Who dated my sister in high school and stuffs like that. Yeah. Was that true?

[John C. Dvorak]

The.

[Adam Curry]

The rumor that always went around about Danny, that he was a plate man? You know, I don't want to go there, Bill, because I don't have. I don't have hard evidence or loose evidence or evidence evidence that makes you hard, certainly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

But there was always the rumor. Yeah. Who knows? You know, he. He had the. You know, back then, those Jerry Lewis. I mean, all those guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a different era.

[Adam Curry]

People were weirdos. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Plate man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That took a little research. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. On your agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

The answer to these questions and many more will be. Not be answered today on the no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You can do your own research.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do your own research on the definition of plate man. And you can do this, I would.

[Adam Curry]

Say your best bet if you wanted to do this research, which I don't recommend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Urban Dictionary.

[Adam Curry]

No. Curiously, no. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Grok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grok. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know. It had me buffaloed until I finally went to Grok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Grok, what is a plank man?

[Adam Curry]

No, don't. No, no, no, no. Here we go with it. We gotta. Ah.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Plank man.

[John C. Dvorak]

She says plank man. All right, all right, never mind. John is going to give us the names and amounts that our supporters value for value, have support supported us with for today's show. $50.

[Adam Curry]

But first. But first I want to. I want to thank Cassandra Fair Fehr. She's in Texas, one of the Texas women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

For sending me a. Two exact same packages with different items inside, plus the hundred dollar check, which. Which was mentioned in the last show, I believe. And I didn't mention. I was. I put it aside to mention the stuff she did. She is. She sent me some jokes that were carefully packaged and a couple of bottles of cold gin, including the. The hickory smoke, but also the. The rare mesquite smoke collagen. I think it was some sort of a. You know, she's Texas, so the mesquite. But she sent these. She sent a lot A couple of things. And it was. It was signaling to me that this is what. This is one of the. I've only run into a few women like this. She sent a package of gags that were in envelopes and they were exactly. It was just unbelievably the packaging and everything, including the boxes she sent everything in was. You have to just say it was precise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And I've only run. And I can't even explain what that means. But I can tell you this. If. If you find a woman who's precise.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to keep her.

[Adam Curry]

No, she wants to go into sales. The most successful women I've ever run into are in sales. And they all exhibit these qualities. I don't know if you want to keep her because precise women are precise. You know, I think they're probably great wives. It probably for a slob like me, it might be a good idea. But I'm just as a recommendation to the women out there that are this way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go in sales. Sales. Plastics is for you.

[Adam Curry]

You will make so much money. And I can't explain all the details of why I know this, but it's a fact. Anyway, I want to thank her for this, the cute stuff she sent. Now we go on to thank people like Dame Reed in Sparks, Nevada, who came with 109.25. And she's at the top of the list again. Jessica beeson in Houston, Texas. 10535. And got a birthday shout out to. To. Oh, Kim. A keeper of the nutty fluffers once again. She's getting a lot of attention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well and well deserved.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's after sending us a show donation. Sir Sean of KDH in Moyak, North Carolina. 105. 35 Thomas Key in Lansing, Kansas. 105. 35. Ian Field, 100. Anonymous in Miami, Florida. 100 hundred. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. 8,008. He's the Archduke Aluna, Lover of America, lover of melons. Carrie Rosen Barker in Fayetteville, North Carolina. I was listening to a recent episode and I agree with Adam. It is freedom of speech, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the constitutional lawyer checked in on that as well. Because I. I said, you know, what do you think? And here's what he said. He said, at the risk of alienating you, the term alien.

[Adam Curry]

Me?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, me. The term free speech has never bothered me personally.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it never bothered me either.

[John C. Dvorak]

It bothers me to no end because I'm telling you what's going to happen is free speech will be something that the government can control. You watch. It's going to to happen. Film at 11.

[Adam Curry]

Very good. That is. I would say that's Fredericksburg talking.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just. No, that's Adam Curry talking.

[Adam Curry]

Fredericksburg is Nicholas Larry in Columbus, Ohio. 7272 Matthew. Matthew Elwert in Weatherford, Texas, 6006, along with Dame Liberty mom in Vista, California. 6006. Aaron Newbury in Littleton, Colorado. 5809. Dame J. Of the Angry Clouds Farts Unknown. 5110 Mart. Mart, Mart. Matt Bulky in Minnetonka, Minnesota. 5272. Matthew Dropko. Hey, there he is in El Raya. I don't know how to pronounce that. He's in Ohio, 5053 and his 53rd birthday is coming up. He's on the list today. Yes. Forest Martin, 5005. And now we have the $50 donors. And there's not a lot of them, but we have them starting with Alex Delgado and Aptos. Melissa Alvarez and Ponta Vedra Beach, Florida. Brett Denton in Boise, Idaho. Jacqueline Connolly in Green Bay. Go. Go, somebody. Packers. Packers. I don't think they're going to make it. George Wooshett in Lavernia, Texas. Sir Greg in Newport, North Carolina. Michael Myers in or Mayers, I guess Mayers or Myers, one of the two in Mandeville, Louisiana. And then parts unknown Ox Othericks, which doesn't sound like a real name to me. These are all $50 donors and they're all contributors to show 1802.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Thank you all very much. And thank you again to our executive and associate producers. If you're looking, by the way, go to Grok and you might want to trade plateman or plater and you will find the true meaning. I don't know why you're so concerned about telling people what that is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't like to sit here and besmirch people. And I think it's just a rumor.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they started it. They're the ones that talked about it. Why would they know this very obscure term? Unless they might be plate men themselves as met question.

[Adam Curry]

That's this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. No agenda. Donations.com. go there. Support the show Value for Value. You can now walk around the office and say, hey, what are you, a plate man or something? People go like, what is that? Well, you know, if you only listen to the best podcast in the universe, you know exactly what that is. Know what I'm saying, son? Noagendadonations.com Dame Patricia wishes her son, Brian Lewis, a happy belated birthday he celebrated on the 20th. Sarah and Cora and Jessica Beeson. And they said happy birthday to Kim, the keeper of the nutty fluffers. We know her birthday was on the 22nd. Matthew Dropko turns 53 today. Sir Tommy Hawk. Happy birthday with son Nolan, who turns 19. And William Langford. Happy birthday to Mars. And he gave her a switcheroo for her birthday. And we say happy birthday. Thanks from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And we do have one Secretary General to congratulate. And we're going to get him out here now and prepare for his coming.

[Adam Curry]

All hail to the Secretary General.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary Generals on the Note Agenda. So, yes, we do actually need a new jingle because of course, the plural of Secretary general is Secretaries General, but that makes it that much more fun. You have something to complain about. We congratulate Sir Tommy Hawk, who today supported the show with $500. That makes him an automatic Secretary General and he becomes Secretary General of the heartland. Congratulations to you. All hail to the Secretary General Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary Generals on the no Agenda show. That's right. Go to noagendarings.com People really want to see what those certificates look like.

[Adam Curry]

John, how's we finally got everything in order to start shipping?

[John C. Dvorak]

I am excited, so I'm excited.

[Adam Curry]

So. So somebody complained about the Secretary's General. Am I hearing that right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm sorry. I was letting the dog out of the studio.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I thought you were on the rapture.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was raptured again. Yes, it's correct. We've moaned about it when we hear someone do something incorrect and here we are doing it ourselves. The plural of Secretary General is Secretary's General, not Secretary General.

[Adam Curry]

Now, is that true? If it's a hyphenated word, secretary dash general, would that be true in that circumstance? Grammarian out there, answer that question for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it is, of course, because the general describes the secretary. So it would be. The plural would be Secretary's General. I'm quite sure that's correct.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm sure that's correct. If it's not hyphenated, people are still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looking up plate man. They don't care about Secretary General at all. At all. At all. At all. Hey, we got a dame to welcome up onto the podium. If you could bring out your sword, please.

[Adam Curry]

Here you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good. Franny. Hey, Franny. Frannick Knudson. Thank you very much for supporting the no Agenda show. The best podcast in the universe. The amount of $1,000. And hereby I'm very proud to pronounce the KD as Dame Free Free of South Florida. That's right. And we have some goodies at the table here for you. We got hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay. We got harlots and Haldol pepperoni rolls and pale ales, Redheads and ryes, beers and blunts, Cowgirls and coffee varnish. It's coffin varnish, not coffee. Ruben esque L rose gases and sake, vodka vanilla bongus and bourbon, Sparkling cider and escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and pablum. It's very male oriented, this list and of course some mutton and mead. We need something for the dames. I need to add a few things to the round poison there.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yeah, but that's in Chardonnay.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's yes, yes. But you know we got bong hits and bourbon. Oh, that's pretty good sp. Yeah, I guess it's pretty even. But if the women need to ask for what they want. And so now we have a brand new dame at the round table. Dame Free Free of South Florida. Welcome to the roundtable. Go to noahginner rings.com there you'll see your very svelte looking dame ring. All we need is your ring size. There's a handy ring size guide on the website and tell us where to send it. And thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Couple of meetups happening this week. Saturday, the Fort Wayne third annual Club 33 meetup. That'll be at noon Eastern in Ceballa's Mexican Grill in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And next show day on Sunday, two meetups. We have the Indiana Tribal Welcome Back meetup. That's right. We've got Dame Maria and Sir Mark returning from the European trip and of course he was injured so we need to some pictures to see that he's really there and okay. And we love the meetups we get from this. Like 150 to 200 people show up to those. Blind Owl Brewery, Indianapolis, Indiana, three o' clock on Sunday. And also on Sunday, meetup number 67 of the flight of the no Agendas. That's Leo Bravo at El Cholo restaurant, this time in Los Angeles, California. Many more meetups coming, including the October 11th extravaganza in Fredericksburg, Texas. Many luminaries will be there from the Fredericksburg, Texas San Antonio area. Come join us there. I'll be there along with the keeper that's the no agenda Fredericksburg, Texas meetup October 11th. Go see all of them. Find everything that is a meetup. That is a meetup near you around the world, [e-mail] if you can't find one near you, there's a solution to that problem. Start one yourself. Noagendameetups.com always a party.

[Adam Curry]

Out with all.

[John C. Dvorak]

The nights and days.

[Adam Curry]

You want to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be where you won't be triggered on Hell, you want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before we get to John's tip of the day and some brilliant end of show mixes that are not AI. Those are coming up. I'm very excited about those. Whenever they're not a AI. We need more of your mixes, please, people. End of show mixes. Play them at the beginning for the pre show as well.

[Adam Curry]

We always like before Adam starts making them with AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's going to happen. That's going to happen.

[Adam Curry]

See, that's a threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a threat. Clip collector Steve, he said he gave me a couple of isos and they, they were Alex Jones isos. And he said, you know, sometimes I find stuff and I clip them from the, our big dirty mouth podcast, obdm. And he says they were complaining that he wasn't getting, they weren't getting any credit. And so I figured those complainers, I'm not going to use them. They're complaining like what, what, what did.

[Adam Curry]

We ever use from them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we, we've, we played, you know, an ISO and he got them from the OBDM podcast and it was some.

[Adam Curry]

Guy saying good night. Good. You know, these, they're only five, ten words.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but, but they, they want credit that they found these isos and, and I was not giving anybody credit. But they want credit. They want credit, man.

[Adam Curry]

They want more credit for, for a two second at the end of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No agenda shows, man. They're ripping us off, man.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, we don't have to use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can use AI I should say enjoy our live stream for free, boys. That's what I would say. And people are so ungrateful. We give away everything to this show. Everything. All our clips. People use all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people steal from us constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

We never credit us.

[Adam Curry]

They steal our clips, they steal our ideas and they never credit us.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've stolen all kinds of stuff. They steal everything. Our fabulous humor, our banter. You watch Plateman become a title somewhere on some show you watch. So I don't have any Alex Jones isos. I do have these, however. Something's coming next. Yeah, thought that was kind of good. And I really like this one.

[Adam Curry]

Big Government Sucks. That is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that one a lot. What do you have? Let me guess.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have more that are.

[John C. Dvorak]

AI stuff. AI stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I have more along the lines of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Of the idea. Let's start with. Okay. Okay. So 11 labs. I use that. I admit it. But they've changed the interface and they've changed. And they took half my voices away and they used. They put a bunch of new voices. I'd never seen these before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you don't pay for it. You're on the free plan. Yeah, well, that's your problem. They're on to you, bro.

[Adam Curry]

It's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then pay for it. Pay for your.

[Adam Curry]

I'll pay for when I have to pay for. Here's the ISO.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hoist.

[Adam Curry]

Hoist a Pint Mates. Great show again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that was probably the. No wonder. That sucks. That was no good. I don't like that one. Hoist Pint. Hoist a Pint Mates.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

Great podcast as usual.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. It's so vanilla, man. It's vanilla.

[Adam Curry]

This is Big Government Sucks. Okay, we can use that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what. That's what I call an ISO. No, now nothing's vanilla about John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. Okay, so this is a screwball tip that came about because first of all, Mimi started reading this book and then I had one of our producers write me, you know, any history books I should read? I took. Because I would lecture about the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

British. That guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know that guy.

[Adam Curry]

The British books change or the history changes for the Brits. And it's a. It was written. You're gonna have to dig this one up. But there's a. I'll give a little lecture about the book. It's one of the greatest books ever written.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

That very few people probably have read because it was written in 1918, so that kind of limits the exposure. But it's very readable. It's written in a modern style, so it's not written in some old fashioned way. And it's. It's the Decline of the west by Oswald Spengler, Volume 1.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we've discussed this book.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because. Because Michael Savage used to promote this book constantly. And he'd always say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I remember.

[Adam Curry]

And he. And the reason we said it, because I always got a kick out of the Fact that Michael Savage, the, you know, erudite intellectual, always, always said, Otto Spengler. And I think he does to this day. He thinks the guy is Otto Spengler. It's Oswald Spengler. So Oswald Spengler's book, the Decline of the west. And I would say before you read the book, read his wiki entry. It's quite interesting about Spengler. He's like one of these kind of a super genius. And this Decline of the west is a two volume book. Do not bother with volume two. Volume two came out about three or four years later and I, you could as a writer immediately start reading volume two. And I can hear it in the tone of the book. It goes like this. Ah, the publisher made me. I promised I was going to do a second volume and I'm going to have to do it and I'm going to write it. And this is it right now. This is the second volume. I'm writing it. It's kind of a rehab of the first volume. But I hate the fact that I have to write this book. So that's what the second volume's all about. So forget it. Just read volume one.

[John C. Dvorak]

When was this published originally, this book?

[Adam Curry]

1918.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you think that the publishers back then were already a holes back then?

[Adam Curry]

They've been a hole. That's the job. The publisher's job.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. No a holes here, though. That is job. Tip of the day. And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. I don't know how he did it. How do we do three and a half hours all of a sudden? That's too long.

[Adam Curry]

Back off.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was the plate man thing. That's what got me all flustered. Hey, coming up next on the no Agenda stream, it's. It's the Millennial Media offensive. Those guys aren't complainers, but they sometimes slip in little Easter eggs. That was one of the funniest things I've ever heard, by the way. So thank you all for. Whoa. Thank you all for being here, for joining us for another extravaganza of media deconstructione. End of show mixes. We got some good ones. Nick Heron, Bonald Crabtree. We've got Agent Cooper. I think it wants to be called Agent Looper today. And Jeffrey Crocker. I incorrectly titled. I credit him as corker, but it is Crocker. And that's it. Those are the end of show mixes. We'll be back on Sunday and we'll bring you more deconstruction of your world. And what's going on because most of it that you see on TV is bull crap and. And online too. It's all placed there by plate man. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John Cvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember us@noajend the donations.com until next time, adios mo fosa hui, hooey and such.

[Adam Curry]

Hey there all you boys and girls out in gitma world. Listen to the no agenda show if you want to know what's really happening. Listen to the no agenda show in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning.

[Adam Curry]

If you got no agenda in the transgender son. I got 33 problems but the soy ain't one. He wears him girly clothes on that homo patrol border date touch dinner was a migrant from Lowe's yesterday in the morning punched a fat lady's mouth. I told her, shut up, slave, put.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your mouth on myself. If the furries trying to hurt y'.

[Adam Curry]

All feel bad for your son. I got 33 warrants and I'm low on funds I am not a fed, turn a furry to a pet but I'm the spookiest rapper that you ever met.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

If you ain't a chicken, put some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Curry on that bird.

[Adam Curry]

Noah's ark, neo gender, no Agenda fool.

[John C. Dvorak]

You heard 33 pager number 33. Your freedom of speech is ready. 33, 3, 3, 3, 3, three. Put that on your agenda and smoke.

[Adam Curry]

It, you clank a ho.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop the cat, stop the cap.

[Adam Curry]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to rebelize. Israeli airstrikes across Gaza City continue.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

The situation is deteriorating rapidly for civilians unable to get out of Gaza City.

[Adam Curry]

75% of Central Water wells have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Destroyed or damaged by Israel. The first phase of urban renewal in the strip was done the demolition. The time to build a real estate bonanza was coming. If there's a plan on President Trump's desk, Palestinians living in the enclave would be moved out, at least temporarily, while billions would be poured in to develop the territory as a tourism resort and high tech manufacturing hub.

[Adam Curry]

The Riviera of the Middle East. I don't want to be cute, I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dance, peasants, dance. I mean, come on. Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave?

[Adam Curry]

Because, boss, I go berserk. Be quiet. You left me anyhow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the days got worse and worse and now you see, I've gone completely out of my mind. They're coming to take me away.

[Adam Curry]

Haha.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're coming to take me away.

[Adam Curry]

Farm where life is beautiful all the time.

[News Reporter / Correspondent]

And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and their cunning things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take me away.

[Adam Curry]

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed. You laughed when I had said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Losing you would make me flip my lid, Right?

[Adam Curry]

You know, you laugh. I heard you laugh.

[John C. Dvorak]

You laughed.

[Adam Curry]

You laughed and laughed.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you left. But now you know I'm utterly mad.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gay myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios mofo. Dvorak.org n a big government sucks.