1805 - "Hamburger Wine"

Summary

No Agenda Show

Episode 1805 - "Hamburger Wine"

Date: October 5, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show brings Adam and John together for a whirlwind deconstruction of the week’s political dramas, media narratives, and societal manipulations. The duo focuses on the latest U.S. government shutdown kerfuffle, global drug wars, artificial intelligence hype and slop, Israel/Palestine diplomatic chess, the Gen Z “color” revolutions, and the unrelenting march of AI-driven culture. Throughout, Curry and Dvorak offer sharp, sardonic analysis, push back against mainstream narratives, and share their unique takes on corruption, propaganda, and audience manipulation.

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Episode Highlights and Key Segments

1. Government Shutdown: Scams, Soundbites, and "Epstein Shutdown"

Timestamps: 00:01–20:00

• Chemtrails & Shutdown: John jokes the best thing about the shutdown is “no chemtrails” in Texas—satirizing government spending on conspiracy-theorized projects.
• Shutdown Mania: Adam notes the cyclical threat-analyses around shutdowns, playing a raucous soundbite from Sen. Kennedy listing supposed wasteful government spending abroad—funds for circumcisions in Zambia, electric buses in Rwanda, pastry classes for Haitian male prostitutes, and transgender parades worldwide ([03:00]). John and Adam skewer the political theater.
  • Quip: “Lyndon B. Johnson Park. It sounds like a scam.” – Adam ([01:17])
• Media Games: The pair ridicule “manhands Welker” and the media's pivot to Epstein conspiracy theories (“Is this really about releasing Epstein files?”) ([05:55]).
• Union Shaming: On the shutdown's firing threats for federal workers (from NPR), Adam is quick to note the contradiction: “So we listen to all this bull crap… and the government budget has gone up. They keep hiring more people. Are you kidding me?” ([10:05])
• Shutdown “Analysis”: Detailed parsing of NPR clips, noting that NPR never mentions their own funding is on the line.
• Quip: “You should have some kind of, what do you call that? Full disclosure?” – John, on NPR covering a budget fight that implicates public broadcasting funding ([13:55])

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2. Drug War, Venezuela, and Operation Summer Heat: The Geopolitical Playbook

Timestamps: 31:00–63:20

• "Summer Heat" Operation: Adam and John go deep on escalating U.S. federal law enforcement operations—an “all-of-government, unlimited support” campaign in cities like Memphis, Chicago, and New Orleans ([33:00]).
  • Notable Quote: “We are sending in real cops with guns and badges to go out with you on the street every single night making arrests.” – Stephen Miller ([32:48])
• Drug War Abroad: A series of strikes on Venezuelan boats under the newly-declared “war on the cartels.” John notes the massive U.S. military build-up in the Caribbean ([51:08]).
• Media/British Elite’s Role: Dvorak and Curry stitch together the North Sea Nexus theory, tying British elites to global narcotrafficking, color revolutions, and U.S. social decay.
  • Bertrand Russell & Huxley: Quoting British intellectuals on mass psychology and pharmacological social control ([40:15–44:43]).
• Chatham House Media Critique: The duo lampoon “international norms” legalese in media takes on U.S. strikes ([55:40]).
  • Sharp Observational Bit: “He’s already marked, but it’s just another marker for... discipline in the School of International and Public affairs at Columbia University. Spooks.” – John ([53:16])
• Drug Money and U.S. Power: Adam and John suggest that so much world commerce flows on illegal drugs that cracking down would collapse international economies.

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3. The Israel–Palestine Ceasefire and the ‘Podcast Grift’ of Zionist Blame

Timestamps: 63:20–85:00

• Zionist Blame Discourse: Adam and John take on the trend—especially prolific on podcasts—of blaming “the Jews” or “Israel” for all U.S. woes.
  • Nick Fuentes Montage: John plays a clip of Fuentes naming Jewish owners in media—the hosts debunk, mock, and express wariness about this becoming a podcast “grift” ([62:26]).
  • Cynical Populism: They analyze how anti-Israel talking points are used for audience capture and fundraising in fringe political and podcasting circles.
    • Theo Vaughn & Candace Owens: Clips demonstrate influencers now prefacing anti-Israel takes by stating “I am not suicidal”—a nod to conspiracy narratives around Israel assassinating critics ([66:05–67:15]).
    • MTG Blasts AIPAC: Marjorie Taylor Greene leverages anti-AIPAC talking points for her America First credentials ([70:19]).
• U.S. Leverage over Israel: Analysis of PBS and NPR coverage showing how Trump is pressuring Netanyahu and dictating the diplomatic process ([75:17–86:46]).
  • Quote: “Not since Eisenhower... has an American president been this tough with an Israeli prime minister and actually threatened a quote or else.” – Middle East negotiator ([82:54])
  • Linguistic Shift: Noting U.S. media changing language from “Palestinians” to “Gazans”—signaling narrative realignment ([89:06])

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4. Color Revolutions 2025: The Gen Z Discord Uprisings

Timestamps: 91:12–101:31

• Morocco Protests & Gen Z 212: Rising global protest movements are being engineered or catalyzed under the banner of “Gen Z,” often organized on Discord and Telegram ([92:54–94:04]).
  • Theory: John suspects intelligence agencies, especially British-linked, are behind youth unrest in Africa/Asia. Deep dive on Discord’s new CEO’s spook credentials ([96:38]).
  • Quote: “This is not our main supply line. This is just a little bitty bit.” – John, mocking expert minimizing Venezuela’s impact on U.S. drug flow ([58:16])

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5. AI Slop, Sora-2, and the Monetization of Cultural Hallucinations

Timestamps: 104:06–116:44

• Sora-2 Mania: Adam and John debate OpenAI’s new video generation app, Sora-2, and Wired’s fawning coverage. Adam predicts it will become the next TikTok; John remains skeptical ([113:40–116:09]).
  • Quote: “It’s a selfie movie... people will love it, people will love it.” – Adam ([116:28])
• Spotify Removes AI Songs: The duo note Spotify nuking 75 million “sports” (AI-generated) songs due to pressure from music publishers ([117:18]).
  • Adam: “If I had a music platform, I’d be like, all AI all the time. Bring it over here. Make money.”

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6. Long COVID “Grift” and the Perpetual Crisis Machine

Timestamps: 145:47–158:23

• Long COVID as Pharma Cash Cow: John and Adam skewer mainstream stories on Long COVID, branding it a “catch-all” diagnosis and a front for continued COVID funding/grant justification ([151:38–158:23]).
  • Notable Quote: “Now, I’m just going to guess that your final clip should not be 3 minutes and 10 seconds.” – John, satirizing content padding ([155:10])
  • Croc Moment: Statement that Long COVID is now “the most common childhood illness in the United States, surpassing asthma”—to the hosts’ disbelief ([157:57])

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7. Miscellaneous Deconstructions and Notable Moments

• Chevron Refinery Explosion: Theorizing whether the California refinery blast is a convenient out for Chevron to exit state operations ([139:00]).
  • Story: John relates Chevron’s frugal, paint-free tank maintenance strategy: “They painted them rust color” ([144:06])
• Taylor Swift Accent Chameleon: Professorial breakdown of Taylor Swift swapping accents for each career phase—Adam sees it as proof of inauthentic marketing ([159:08]).
  • Quote: “Taylor Swift talks about her musical and personal style in eras. Researchers say those eras have also influenced how she speaks…” – NPR ([159:08])
• Buc-ee’s Podcast Satire: Adam notes how local politics ignores citizen voice with a podcast about controversy over a Buc-ee’s gas station ([162:00])
• John’s Wine Tip: Robert Mondavi Private Selection Bourbon Barrel Aged Cabernet Sauvignon is dubbed “Hamburger Wine”—cheap, oaky, and reliable ([179:10])

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “[Shutdown] is not about austerity. They want their money back. What they want is that trillion and a half of nonsense stuff we definitely don’t need.” – John, on congressional brinkmanship ([10:46])
• “I’ve said many times, if you stop the illegal drug trade, our country would collapse. The economy runs on drugs...” – Adam ([37:00])
• “We are sending in real cops with guns and badges to go out with you...” – Stephen Miller ([32:48])
• “We have a president who’s a known liar.” – Sen. Tammy Duckworth (via John, on Chicago crime intervention, [28:49])
• “Discord is a complete company product... You get it for free. Now, when you get something for free, you’re actually the product.” – John ([96:38])
• “Let me swap, let me swap.” – Adam, in the “Slop” end-of-show mix ([185:21])
• “The TikTok video of a fat chick falling on her butt off a bicycle is far superior to the garbage that this thing is producing.” – John, on Sora2 ([114:18])
• “Are you convinced yet that the Zionists run our country? Aren't you sure of it?” – John, reflecting on daily emails ([63:51])
• “If you don’t say Israel is running everything... you lose money. It’s basically: I listen to you and don’t lose money, or I take money from Israel.” – John ([68:30])
• “We could resell it. California Resources Riviera, baby.” – John, on the value of a blown-up refinery ([142:13])

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Notable Segments by Timestamps

• Shutdown Comedy & Soundbites: [00:29–06:45]
• Epstein/Shutdown Media Discussion: [05:55–07:06]
• NPR/Media Bias: [07:27–14:28]
• Drug War Announcements: [32:13–36:15]
• North Sea Nexus & British Elites/Drug Trade: [39:41–46:26]
• Venezuela & Chatham House Critique: [51:08–56:40]
• Nick Fuentes/Anti-Zionist “Podcast Grift”: [62:26–66:54]
• Trump’s Diplomatic Pressure on Israel: [75:17–83:09]
• Morocco Gen Z Revolution/Discord Analysis: [92:54–101:31]
• Sora2 & AI Prediction Debate: [104:06–116:44]
• Long COVID Money Pipeline: [151:38–158:23]
• End-of-show Slop Mix: [184:29–185:32]

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Tone and Format

Throughout the episode, Adam and John remain irreverent, conspiratorial, and critical. They use humor, mimicking, and direct quotation (often in character) to highlight what they see as mainstream media absurdity, political theater, and broader social manipulation. The recurring “value for value” pitch and meta-commentary about podcasting make the episode engaging for both longtime listeners and first-timers interested in critical media deconstruction.

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Final Thought

No Agenda’s “Hamburger Wine” is a rich, unsparing tour through the week’s political spectacle and media fog—delivered with wit, skepticism, and enough inside jokes to keep the tribe laughing and thinking.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Seed oils.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, October 5, 2025. This is your award winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1805. This is no agenda protecting you from social alchemy. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where there's no government shutdown. I mean, everything's working. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzz the morning. Best thing about the government shutdown. Best thing. No chemtrails. It's perfect. It's perfect. Here in Texas, Chemtrail free. We are, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's because they cost money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course it costs tons of. Tons of dough. Can't have that. Yeah, no, I mean, we won't notice anything for at least another week. Two weeks maybe. I mean, is anything really changed? Except for couple of the parks here are closed, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the national parks. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You have national parks? What national park do you have?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that Lyndon B. Johnson park somehow is tied to the park service. The National Park Service is not the Texas Park Service.

[Adam Curry]

Lyndon B. Johnson Park. It sounds like a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, all of Johnson City is pretty much a scam. I'd say Johnson City was the. The epicenter of scams during the Johnson years. It's where Johnson had all his bagmen to go out across the country and collect. You know, collect.

[Adam Curry]

So let's talk about the shutdown for a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's a good idea. Just so you know, I have some early morning stuff from the Sunday morning shows when you're ready, but you get going first.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I just wanted to get this out of the way. This is the. There's a lot of shutdown threats. There's shutdown analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then there is Kennedy's little diatribe. I hope I have it on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is the shutdown items.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I spelled it wrong as usual, but this is Kennedy going off on El Cassio Cortez.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, always fun. Basically, President Trump just said, we want you to take some stuff out of the budget that we think is wasteful.

[Various News Reporters]

And we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that upset the Congress. She's entitled to be upset if she wants to, but that really upset the socialist wing of the party. And so we took out and here's what they want us to put back in. We found that under President Biden, they were spending $3 million for circumcisions and Vasectomies in Zambia. We put that. Took that out. The congresswoman says we're going to shut down government till you put that back in. We found $500,000 of American taxpayer money for electric buses in rwanda. We found $3.6 million for pastry cooking classes and dance focus groups for male prostitutes in Haiti. I kid you not. I'm not making this up. That was in the budget under President Biden. We took it out. Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez in the socialist wing, the loon wing of the Democratic Party says, we're going to shut down government till you put it back in. I'll just read you a few more that we took out $6 million for media organizations for the Palestinians, $833,000 for transgender people in Nepal, $300,000 for a pride parade in Lesotho, $882,000 for social media and mentorship in Serbia, $4.2 million. We took out. The congresswoman and the socialist wing of their party says we got to put that back in for them. Open government. $4.2 million from lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex people in the western Balkans and Uganda. I could spend the rest of the afternoon here. We took all that out. It upset Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez. It upset the socialist wing of her party, and now they though that wing of her party and the congresswoman are threatening all other Democrats and saying, you've got to shut that government down till we get what we want. And part of what they want is to add this kind of stuff back into them. And that's what this fight is all about. Always a good sound bite from anybody in Congress during these shutdowns.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's. I mean, this used to be more common. I mean, Rand Paul used to be notorious for doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rand Paul. Rand Paul should be. There's no sound bites from him. He's. He's like, not on the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's voting against, but he's voting with the Democrats on this. Of course, he's the one guy, because.

[John C. Dvorak]

He loves the transgender stuff like that. Like. Like that's what it's all about. We know that that's not true. That's just, you know, it's fun, though. But those are things that benefit.

[Adam Curry]

I think all that stuff is probably from usaid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, for sure. That's. It's like I'm hearing them again.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I also suspect that that 4 million, 3 million, 2. All this money that supposedly goes to this and that is actually going into Somebody's pocket to do something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, but you see, you're completely wrong. It's not about this at all. At all. Your buddy, Manhands Welker. Isn't that your buddy? She's the hands. Kristen. Kristen Welker.

[Adam Curry]

The one with the big giant black laborer. Manhands.

[John C. Dvorak]

That one, Manhands Welker. She knows what this is really about. There's only a 30 second clip. We can get back to yours in a minute.

[Various News Reporters]

And as you know, many Democrats have looked at your move. They say the House is not in session because you don't want to swear in this newly elected senator, the congresswoman, Democratic congresswoman from Arizona, who would be a critical vote to releasing the Epstein files. How do you respond to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

This has nothing to do with that. It's another red herring. The reason the government is closed is because Chuck Schumer and 43 of his Democrat colleagues in the Senate have decided now to vote multiple times to keep the government closed. We need them to turn the lights back on so that everyone can do their work. This is also tedious and boring. It's the Schumer's shutdown. It's Trump shutdown. Shit, shoot. Shut, shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think the Epstein shutdown is better.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's better. And that was right off the bat. That was the top of the morning from her.

[Adam Curry]

Set her up with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Some writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What else? Like she has a brain.

[Adam Curry]

No, somebody put that in there. That's very funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good. If you're going to have the speaker of the House get in with that one right away. We all know this is about Epstein. We all know what's going on. Mike Johnson.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's a couple of. Here's a couple of NPR clips just from yesterday. Shut down threats, npr. There's a kicker in here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, okay. Yeah. Npr. Stephen Fowler joins us. Good morning. Let's begin first with the threats to fire. Hey. Hey.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have far. Sorry, I forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, that's not what I'm saying.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, when we have Scott Simon, you've got to warn me so we can.

[Adam Curry]

I usually put SS on the clip title. I just forgot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suffering succotash. I'm Scott Simon, npr. Stephen Fowler joins us. Good morning. Let's begin first with the threats to fire federal workers. Has anyone actually been let go yet? Well, so far they're just threats. Here's White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt speaking to Morning Edition yesterday.

[Various News Reporters]

The president is meeting with the office of Management and Budget to try to understand what agencies are essential, what agencies do not align with the administration's priorities and values.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's the thing to think about, though, Scott. Any of these reductions in force or RIF efforts that would come would have to be from the of these federal agencies. President Trump can't make them happen and neither can Russ Vote, the head of the Office of Management and Budget. RIF rules are pretty particular about the amount of time and notice they have to give before they can take effect. There's also a lawsuit that's been filed from federal workers union saying that the threat of firing workers, especially during a shutdown, is illegal. This goes right back to the Doge executive order.

[Adam Curry]

Good luck. Yes, exactly. And so and by the way, the threat supposedly of firing is illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the threat. Not the actual firing, but the threat of it. Oh, well, that's, you're paying attention to the words, as always.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

And I think that's, I think it's absolutely, I think there's some, it's, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe it's hate speech.

[Adam Curry]

It should be illegal doing. They're suing, but there's, there hasn't been any firings, but they're suing anyway because of the threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the threat. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So here's Go to the. Here's the kicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hakeem Jeffries said this in an NPR interview earlier this week. Oh, sorry. The Trump administration has been out of control since day one. They've been laying people off since day one. They've been firing federal employees since day one. And they've been violating the law since day one. Doge's work to cancel contracts and direct agencies to slash their workforce is an extension of Trump and Vogt's long held belief that the government should be smaller and spend less on things they don't agree with, even as the White House has tried to circumvent the spending and budgeting power given to Congress, which Republicans have so far allowed to happen. It's worth noting that agencies have been hiring back hundreds of workers they let go earlier this year. And treasury data shows spending has actually increased instead of decreased. What? Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

So we listen to all this bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

On and oh, they're firing. Oh, and Jefferies goes on. They're firing everybody. We don't know what to do about it. We're suing them. And the government budget has gone up. They keep hiring more people. Are you kidding me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the budget did go up. It went up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the budget the ceiling went up, but the, the budget. This is ridiculous. They have done nothing. Trump hasn't backed it off even an inch or an iota. Well, Doge has done nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're believing NPR now. I mean, come on. We know they got at least 50 billion. That's something. That's something.

[Adam Curry]

They want their money back.

[John C. Dvorak]

What they want is all that other stuff, you know, a trillion and a half dollars of nonsense stuff we definitely don't need. I get it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I see. I get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I get it.

[Adam Curry]

Here's two more clips and would be you can go do your thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Let's do shutdown analysis one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Where's this from? Oh, NPR. Okay. Shut down of the U.S. government. Since Tuesday, the U.S. senate has taken up the same votes to fund the government temporarily with continuing resolutions. They still don't have the votes. Is there an agreement even on the distant horizon? Joined now by NPR congressional correspondent Barbara Sprunt. Barbara, thanks for being with us. It's so good to have Scott back on the sheen.

[Various News Reporters]

Hey, thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Senate yesterday failed once more to advance competing plans to extend federal funding and end the shutdown. How are those plans different again?

[Various News Reporters]

Well, one is a GOP plan that has already passed the House. It would fund the government through November 21st. And then there's a Democratic counter proposal as well that would fund the government through October. And it includes an extension of health care tax credits that were boosted up during the pandemic. Those are on track to expire at the end of the year. Now, Republicans have said they'll negotiate on that point, but but only after the government is funded. And even then, Senate Majority Leader John Thune has said it would not be a simple process.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can't make commitments or promises on the COVID subsidies because that's not something that we can guarantee that there are.

[Adam Curry]

The votes there to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

There were a few Democrats who did support the Republican proposal this week. Has there been any more movement or are the numbers tightening?

[Various News Reporters]

No, they are not. It has been the same as that first vote where we saw two Democratic senators and one independent joining Republicans. In fact, there's been so little movement on any kind of negotiation between the two parties that the Senate isn't even expected to stay over the weekend and do more votes. Here's phone yesterday when asked about the possibility of weekend work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hopefully over the weekend they'll have a chance to think about it and maybe some of these conversations start to result in something to where we can start moving some votes and actually get this thing passed. Who Is this woman from npr. I'm not familiar with her. I like her voice. I like her voice.

[Adam Curry]

I've never heard her either.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, she has a.

[Adam Curry]

She's probably a weekend substitute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she has a slick, suave, smooth kind of vocal thing going on there. It's not your typical vocal fry. It's an improvement. I'm just saying it's an improvement.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I try to. I'll minimize these clips. This is your offhanded way of kissing?

[John C. Dvorak]

They suck. No, not at all. Don't they also want NPR and PBS refunded of that big whopping 1%? Isn't that also part of this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. They have to have that money back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so shouldn't, shouldn't NPR disclaim and say part of the demands are to bring us money? So just so you know, you know that it involves us, they should have some kind of, what do you call that? Full disclosure?

[Adam Curry]

A disclaimer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Full disclosure. Full disclosure. Yeah, they should.

[Adam Curry]

I've been listening to, I listened to the NPR all day yesterday to get some of these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God. Did you need to take Advil?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I did. But the point is, is. No, they've never said at once.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, of course not. Of course not.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they'll do it. When they do it like a story about John Deere, they'll say something like, well, John Deere also, also, you know, underwrites the show. But, you know, here we're going to talk about it. But they didn't know. They have not done that and they should have. You're right. Let's go with the second part of this.

[Various News Reporters]

The impasse is essentially this because the Senate needs Democrats to reach that 60 vote threshold to pass this kind of bill. Democrats, who of course have very little power as the party in the minority, say that demanding that there be some kind of negotiations between the two parties is appropriate. Unsurprisingly, Republicans do not share that view. They say Democrats are holding the American people hostage via the shutdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, in the meantime, the White House is proceeding with plans to cut programs and spending. They haven't done anything often, it seems, in areas with lots of Democratic voters. What is the argument they make here?

[Various News Reporters]

Well, this is very much in line with the administration's thesis when it comes to its role in cutting programs and government workers. Items on the chopping block include some transportation projects in New York, the home state of both the House and Senate Democratic leaders. Press Secretary Caroline Levitt told our colleague Stevenskeep yesterday that the administration views that as Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's fault. They can't show up to work right now. So that project is currently temporarily halted because of Chuck Schumer's shutdown. So Chuck Schumer did that to himself. He did that to his constituents in New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how do Democrats respond?

[Various News Reporters]

Well, Democrats have called this an intimidation tactic. They've blasted a plan from the White House's budget arm to fire federal workers instead of temporarily furloughing them, which is usually what happens in a shutdown. Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont said he thinks that plan will backfire.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the idea that you have a.

[Adam Curry]

President who says, hey, your state voted against me. We're going to cut funding, that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not only illegal, not only outrageous, it is unconstitutional. These people are old and decrepit, and I'm tired of them. And it's fine if you say that about me in 20 years, but right now, I'm tired of them. And you know what they should do? So the Democrats, they need something to save face. Here's what I would do if I was the president. I would say, okay, we'll give you your circumcisions in Albania back, we'll give you your LGBTQ pride parade in Morocco, whatever it is, we'll give you all that back. Are you happy now? Is that really what it's all about? Is that what you want? Give him. Give them something. They need something. I'm sure that the climate change stuff is what he's thinking of giving back or something like that. The art of the deal. The art of the deal. He has to give up something sometime, or will he just keep it going for a month?

[Adam Curry]

I think they should just keep it going forever. Well, shut down that Lyndon Johnson park, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can still just get in. It's not like, oh, you just go.

[Adam Curry]

In and there's no gate guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like you can't walk into the. Into the park. Yeah. A friend of ours and her friends that were all camping out here, and they came. Came by last night, yesterday afternoon, and I said, well, was the park shutdown? Yeah, we had the code because we booked it before the shutdown. So we just had the code and went right in. The code? They got a gate code. Well, our ATC producers and our CBP producers.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute. I'm thinking, why doesn't some entrepreneurial type have the gate code and go stand there at the thing and collect money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Take money. Put on a uniform.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Hard hat and the orange vest and a clipboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a clipboard. You're on the list. I see it. Yep, you're on the list. Hey, we should do no agenda meetups in these parks now. Yeah, there's all kinds of good ideas. Well, while this is going on, the president has an interview scheduled to air tonight. He's chosen this time he's chosen a different network. Typically he goes for one of the big three. Now he's chosen Oan for his big interview, which I think is an interesting move, the home of Matt Gaetz, although it's not Matt Gaetz to do the interview, and he's got some promises.

[Adam Curry]

We also might make a distribution to the people, almost like a dividend to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The people of America. How much are you thinking for that, sir?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're thinking maybe a thousand to two thousand. Yeah, be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Inflation is completely stable. It's round target rate. And the country is ultimately taking in.

[Various News Reporters]

Unprecedented amounts of tariff revenue.

[John C. Dvorak]

More than $200 billion at this point in time. Sir, what do you believe this extra.

[Various News Reporters]

Source of revenue can be put towards?

[John C. Dvorak]

How big of a game changer is it for your administration?

[Adam Curry]

Well, ultimately, you know, because we're talking about just kicking in. They're just starting to kick in. But ultimately your tariffs are going to be over a trillion dollars a year, in my opinion. We're going to do something.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're looking at something where, number one.

[Adam Curry]

We'Re paying down debt because people have allowed the debt to go crazy. But, you know, with growth, with the kind of growth we have now, the debt is very little, relatively speaking, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'Re going to grow our way out of it.

[Adam Curry]

You grow yourself out of that debt, it's not a question of paying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You grow yourself out.

[Adam Curry]

And the numbers are so much bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than they ever were.

[Adam Curry]

The numbers we have now are bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than they ever were.

[Adam Curry]

So when you have $36 trillion in debt. What? Stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He has this tendency when he's bigger than ever, bigger than when he's full of it, just to repeat the phrase, it's big enough. So if you back it up, he says the numbers are going to be bigger than ever. You know, they're going to be bigger than ever. They're going to be bigger ever. You keep saying the same thing, and I'll say it twice.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least I think he's saying that the debt numbers are bigger than ever.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grow yourself out.

[Adam Curry]

And the numbers are so much bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than they ever were.

[Adam Curry]

The numbers we have now are bigger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than they ever were.

[Adam Curry]

So when you have $36 trillion in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Debt a year ago or two years ago.

[Adam Curry]

And you have a lot less revenue coming in then you have 37 or 38.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not 38 yet, but it will be.

[Adam Curry]

And, and the numbers are so much bigger. All of a sudden, 38, you're under levered, whereas for 36 you were highly levered. We're not highly levered anymore. Now with that being said, we'll pay back debt.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're not highly levered anymore. Okay. He should say, you know, the checks should be giant, giant checks. Did you know that Publishers Clearinghouse went out of business?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's been for a while now. A couple, I think they went bankrupt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they pulled the plug on all these poor people that were collecting monthly benefits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And some company bought them. They're going to reinstate under a new name. But the people who got screwed are not going to get.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, you're done. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That seems like that's why you always.

[Adam Curry]

Take the cash out.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to take the cash. So I'm listening.

[Adam Curry]

And if they don't give you the cash out, you can find someone who financial operations to give you collars on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get a caller. So this is going on and I read on cnbc, I thought I misread the. Well, I did misread the headline. I thought it said, it said Treasury Ways minting. I thought it was going to be a $1 trillion coin. Treasury Way is minting $1 trillion coin with Trump's face for US 250th anniversary. And then I realized it's a $1 coin. I was excited. I'm like, oh, the trillion dollar coin is back.

[Adam Curry]

So they're going to mint a coin with Trump's head on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

A dollar coin. It has his head. En profil Liberty. In God we trust. 17:76 on the other side.

[Adam Curry]

I thought that was like illegal or is always assumed. Now you didn't do it when the guy was alive.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a commemorative coin. So you can do that.

[Adam Curry]

They're all, yeah, well, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So. And the other side will have the iconic photo of him and the flag and fight, fight, fight.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That's corny.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a draft. A draft picture. Of course it's corny. But you know, is it some. Is putting your opponent in a sombrero any less corny?

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, that's funny. And it's gone out of control. There's like, there's at least 20 new ones out there with different sombreros or dancing.

[John C. Dvorak]

They better. They Better come out with the stablecoin gambit pretty quickly. They gotta start launching that. I don't know. I don't know what the plan is, but if you want to spread our debt to the rest of the world, you got to get that going. Meanwhile, Senator Tammy Duckworth was on CBS Face the Nation with Margaret. And this was actually kind of. I didn't know how annoying I thought she was. I think, you know, because you look at her, she didn't she have. She's a veteran, so I think she lost a leg or did she lose two legs? Something like that. So you never really pay attention to her because you're looking at it like, ah, man, I feel bad for her and thank you for your service. But when you listen to her in audio, it's like, ugh. So she's talking about what's going on with the Guardsmen in Chicago.

[Various News Reporters]

So I have to ask you about what the president announced yesterday in regard to federalizing 300 National Guardsmen out in the state of Illinois. We've heard this threat going back all the way to August. The governor says these are not needed. Do you have any idea when they'll arrive?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I believe they're going to be.

[Various News Reporters]

Illinois National Guardsmen, so they're not going to be coming from outer state. I spoke with our governor yesterday, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

It looks like it's going to be about 300 Illinois Guardsmen. She sounds a bit like Macy Hirono. She talks a little bit faster, but she has the same kind of intonation from Hawaii and probably just as dumb. Who will be activated against the governor's wishes. So there'll be homegrown Illinoisans, and they're.

[Various News Reporters]

Our brothers and sisters, our neighbors. I probably served with quite a number of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Certainly the leadership probably not will welcome them.

[Various News Reporters]

It's a misuse of the National Guard. They're not needed in this particular role.

[John C. Dvorak]

If President Trump really wanted to fight crime, then maybe he should stop defunding the police. What? This is my favorite bit. So Trump is now defunding the police. Defunding the police. This is great. And then maybe he should stop defunding the police. He, you know, he diverted $800 million.

[Various News Reporters]

In crime prevention efforts away from.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was appropriated away from funding for our police officers. So, you know, they're not. We're going to welcome them because they're.

[Various News Reporters]

Our brothers and sisters and we're proud.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of our National Guard. And if you look at the Chicago budget, the number one expenditure is police, which is kind of crazy because they're not doing a great job, most people think. And most of the anarchists in Chicago, I know a couple, they want to defund the police. They hate the Chicago police. They hate them with the passion. Which kind of reminds me, back in the days, was it Mad magazine or Cracked? I think it was Cracked, probably. They always had the Chicago cops always portrayed as these horrible, you know, brutes. Was that Cracked magazine? Am I thinking about the right. The right magic?

[Adam Curry]

You can be mad, it doesn't matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's brutes.

[Adam Curry]

But they're notorious. I mean, I lived in Chicago when I was a kid, and then my parents were from Chicago. And you find out certain things. Like, for example, on the. There's a bunch of, you know, you always supposed bribing the cops is always considered the thing you always do. And it's always done the same way. You keep your driver's license in a little cellophane pack and there's a hundred dollar bill tucked behind the driver's license. And so when you get pulled over some, if it's usually something stupid, and it's usually. There's a good element of this taking place on the route to the airport. And it's the funniest thing that's happened at one time.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was A new story, something we haven't heard yet.

[Adam Curry]

I was driving to the airport and a cop pulls me over for doing 36 in a 35 zone or something like that. Yeah, you know, sir, you were speaking. He says, this driver's license. I show him the license. He looked, took one look, he took a look and he flipped it over to see if there was any money or anything attached. But then he saw it said California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he figured I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I didn't know how to bribe him. And so he just gives me the license back and says, move along. Got rid of me. Wasting his time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Atina got pulled over the other night by dps, Department of Public Safety. So I think the highway patrol falls on the dps, but it wasn't highway patrol and she got pulled over. And I know my wife, she's. She's a rule follower. It's like, you were speeding. Says, no, I wasn't. And he's shining the light in her eyes. It's a Friday night, so, you know, they expect people to be drunk on the roads. Fair enough. He was like, yeah, you were speeding. It you don't have a front license plate. This is a big deal in Texas. There's this ongoing fight, like we don't want it. We don't want front license plates for some reason. And most cars don't really have a spot for it if you buy them in Texas. And so he gave her a warning, like, how could you prove that she was. Speech. He had no proof. Harassment. Harassment of a pretty girl, of course. So no payoffs here. Try that. I wonder if that'll work in Texas. Try and pay off a cop. I don't think that'll work. Anyway, we continue with this lady about what's happening in Chicago.

[Various News Reporters]

He has surged or the federal government has surged. Agents from different groups. The FBI said yesterday they're sending folks in. Tell me about these protests because the images look pretty intense of what has happened between people on the streets of Chicago. We're showing some of that video now around immigration issues, as I understand. Yesterday ICE authorities shot a Chicago woman in the Brighton park area. Secretary Noem claimed ICE fired defensive shots at this woman who was armed, who had appeared in a Border Patrol intelligence bulletin previously. She claims that federal agents were surrounded and were threatened. What are local authorities telling you about what they think happened here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they lie, right?

[Various News Reporters]

The Trump administration lies. We have a president who's a known liar.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm questioning if this isn't Macy Hirono, how can this be?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, that's not Macy Hirona. Macy Hirono. You're correct. She talks slower and she has a sing. More of a sing song voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And she is incredibly. And she just sounds dumb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this a milieu, maybe a milieu thing?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the Hawaiian accent is very noticeable. It's also very reminiscent of various American Indian tribe accents it up, talks a bit. It has, it's, it can be slow and plotting. It's a plotting accent. It's very, it can be extremely annoying and it can, it sometimes sounds stupid.

[Various News Reporters]

They have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bingo. They've been lying about the situation all along.

[Various News Reporters]

And in fact, they even shot tear grenades, tear grass grenades, I think at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Porter, who was simply driving by with her window open.

[Various News Reporters]

And so we're, we're urging people, we're urging our protesters, remain calm, peaceful protests. Exercise your First Amendment rights, but videotape everything. Everybody has a phone, tape everything. So we actually have real evidence of what is happening. We know the Trump administration lies consistently. And what I am hearing is that.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the large part, people are being.

[Various News Reporters]

Very quiet, are being very respectful, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

ICE is being very aggressive.

[Various News Reporters]

Remember that they are zip tying children that are raiding apartment blocks in the middle of the night, separating children from their families, pulling people out onto the streets naked. They are using tactics in Chicago.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is what Trump wants to do.

[Various News Reporters]

Right. He wants to intimidate the people of Chicago.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not going to happen.

[Various News Reporters]

And we're going to document everything and make sure, just as the judge in Portland said, that these requirements, these orders from the Trump administration are not actually tied to reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So I think this is really just a lead in. And there is a form of get comfortable with it. Chicago and Memphis and Oregon get comfortable with it because we're going after crime. And I've been. I've been doing a little bit of looking around here and there, and I found this clip of Stephen Miller, and it kind of fits.

[Adam Curry]

Stephen Miller, the guy, The Trump administration guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that guy.

[Adam Curry]

He has a tick. He has Tourette's, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he's a brother.

[Adam Curry]

His tick. I can tell you what his tick is, and people can start to look for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

His head will be talking to you, and then he will have a uncontrollable jerk of his entire head down about, I'd say, a quarter of an inch and over to the right. Always to the right. His right. About another quarter of an inch, he'll do it. When he gets a little nervous, he'll start to do it. And he can do it two times in a row. But it's an obvious. And heavy. And I consider myself an expert on this, having worked with somebody for almost 20 years with who has Tourette's. Who would that be? I saw that long documentary, and I kind of consider myself an expert. You're an expert, but I spot this stuff. And if you see it, once you see it, you'll agree with me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, so there's hope for me in politics that can have a job in the White House. Here's what he said. To the Memphis Police Department, to the.

[Adam Curry]

Officers that I see sitting in front of me, we are about to provide you with a level of support you cannot even imagine.

[John C. Dvorak]

This isn't just a task force. This is a all of government, unlimited support operation. Atf, dea, FBI, ice, Department of War, every resource we have. And they're not going to be sitting.

[Adam Curry]

Behind a desk at a keyboard.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are sending in real cops with guns and badges to go out with you on the street every single night making arrests.

[Adam Curry]

These are people who have taken down drug kingpins, the worst criminal offenders in the United States, standing with you shoulder.

[John C. Dvorak]

To shoulder to shoulder. All we ask from you is to show up at roll call every single night with your brothers and sisters in the federal government and to go out and get the criminals off the street. And if you do that, I pledge to you, we will liberate this city from the criminal element that has plagued it for generations. This is not just a strategy shift. This is an attitude shift. We are not going to live in an environment, every war anywhere where there is a street that belongs to a criminal, where there is a neighborhood that belongs to a gang, where there is any physical space anywhere that belongs to anyone other than the law abiding citizens and families of Memphis. The idea that there is a square.

[Adam Curry]

Inch of block in this city where.

[John C. Dvorak]

A citizen doesn't feel safe is unacceptable. This is Memphis. This is the United States of America.

[Various News Reporters]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

And all that bullshit is done. It's finished. There's your Tourette's right there. Bullshit. So this is actually part of something much bigger, I believe. And I'm going to get to the North Sea Nexus on this one. We heard this mentioned a while back during maybe one of those, I don't know, Ag Barbie things where they all sudden cash. Patel started talking about Operation Summer Heat. Do you recall that? I think we.

[Adam Curry]

I can't keep track of all these operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so this op has been going on for the summer. And here's Kash Patel to bring us up to speed.

[Adam Curry]

As I said, this is breaking news.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've kept it quiet for the summer. Operation Summer Heat was a three month.

[Adam Curry]

Surge by the FBI with our state and local partners.

[John C. Dvorak]

We start at the end of June and we just wrapped up at the end of September. And what we did was follow one theme. Crushing violent crime, one of this administration's key priorities. And we went into every single field office. We have 55 field offices scattered across the country.

[Adam Curry]

And today we're going to unveil the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Results of Operation Summer Heat and what law enforcement can do when you let.

[Adam Curry]

Good cops be cops.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think a quick historical analysis is important here. You have to recognize that there was an explosion in violent crime and it didn't happen in a month or six months. It happened over the course of years due to the prior administration's laxicadaisical approach against crime. Did he say laxicadaisical? That's a new one.

[Adam Curry]

Over the course of years due to.

[John C. Dvorak]

The prior administration's laxicadaisical approach against crime. And violent criminals took advantage of that. So the FBI, under my leadership, we came in and said, okay, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Violent crime is exploding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody knows that. We see that you can't walk around these cities anymore. People are getting shot Kids are getting.

[Adam Curry]

Getting shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drugs are killing our youth. We need to do what the FBI is best at and crush violent crime. So we targeted all the major cities in the country. You can't just walk into a city and say, okay, there's 150 law enforcement officers here. Let's go arrest people. You have to build a ground game of intelligence. That takes months. That's what we did in Memphis, that's what we did in Chicago. That's what we did in New Orleans. And that's why, at President Trump's direction, we went in quietly months ago into these cities to set fit phase 01. Now we're going in with the Guard to complete that project.

[Adam Curry]

And that's the beauty of operations like Summer Heat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so they've been, they've been at this for a couple of months. They've been setting it up. And of course, this is in large part about drugs because that what most of the gang activity is related to. And here are the results so far. Summer Heat had 8,700 arrests in three months. Summer Heat had 2281 firearms seized permanently off our streets.

[Adam Curry]

Three months.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fentanyl, 421 kilograms, by the way, that's enough to kill over 50 million Americans. 50 million on the low end. That's a conservative estimate. Lethal doses off that seizure, 45,000 kilograms of cocaine.

[Adam Curry]

We conducted operations that led us to.

[John C. Dvorak]

2000 indictments and 1400 convictions.

[Adam Curry]

And the bulk of that work came.

[John C. Dvorak]

From our violent crime and gang forces. I want to highlight that because that was the focus of summer heat. 6,500 of this casework came specifically out of that. And here's something that's not on this chart. Operation Summer Heat found and located almost 1,000 child victims and returned them to safety. Sexual trafficking, victims of sexual trafficking, victims.

[Adam Curry]

Of home abuse, victims of rape and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Violent crimes against children. So a couple of people sent me this substack article about how Trump is rolling up the drug scourge once and for all. And it was very interesting because it points directly back to the City of London and really the Panama Papers, interestingly, about how there's 50 to 75 trillion dollars that has been made through drug trade. A lot of that, of course, went to our streets. You know, we typically, oh, fentanyl, blame China. But if you really. And we've always looked at the. You know, I think I've said many times in the past, if you stop the illegal drug trade, our country would collapse. You know, it's. The economy runs on drugs, and probably most the World economy runs on illicit drugs and to some degree on legal drugs. Certainly here we got everybody on some kind of drug. And as I'm thinking about, we're also, we're now in season six, last season of Downton Abbey. And you look @ this is 1925. Now you kind of look at these. The royal extensions of the royal family, the British elite and their houses are starting to crumble. They're running out of money because they never worked. How'd they get the money? Well, they were all part of the East India Company and of course they had the opium wars on China, which is their favorite way of doing it. They hooked, what was it, 40 million Chinese on opium. They transport all the slaves to the New World. As an aside, very prominent in the series is the hatred for the Jews and for the Catholics. Of course, they were Irish Catholics and hated the New World success, which it's only been 100 years. And as I've said, I don't think that has stopped that hatred of our success. So, so they continue. What they're very good at is the drug trade and maybe we can screw America this way. And I got three clips here from my favorite old ladies, Promethean Action, who gave us a little rundown on the concept from the North Sea Nexus. And we start with a famous guy, Bertrand Russell. Can you give me a little background on Bertrand Russell?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Bertrand Bertrand Russell was a who lived to be about 100 and made the claim that he, he didn't like eating meat because it was eating a corpse and he was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought you meant that he'd rather eat a corpse. Now I understand what you're saying. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he wrote a lot of plays and was a top notch one of the top intellectuals out of the uk. He was considered a creme de la creme of the great thinkers.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I could have read this, but the Promethean Action ladies, they read it for us. So here's a little excerpt from Bertrand Russell. I just want to talk about three people today. Bertrand Russell, Aldous Huxley and George Soros. The three of them together describe the cultural attack our nation has suffered since our elites declared the post industrial society in 1971 and sold us out. By the way, 1971 is an interesting year. That's the year we got off the gold standard. Just wanted to mention that I found that to be very coincidental. Here is Lord Russell in 1951 in his work the Impact of Science on Society, describing the future as he saw it. I think the subject which will be of Most importance politically is mass psychology. Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Of these, the most influential is what is called education. The subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. Sounds like Common Core and Bill Gates to me. The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at.

[Various News Reporters]

First, that the influence of the home is obstructive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of 10. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective.

[Various News Reporters]

Fourth, that the opinion that snow is.

[John C. Dvorak]

White must be held to show a morbid sense of eccentricity. Sounds very familiar to me when I hear all these things, you know, break up the home.

[Adam Curry]

I like the song thing. I should do a little site a little note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, please do, please do.

[Adam Curry]

Which is if you've ever visit. Well, nobody does, but I was at Scott Adams house and I noticed that he, he never has any. Of course I don't. I have in my house I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

24, seven classical music.

[Adam Curry]

I have 20. I have music playing in my house. 24, seven classical music. And it's for various reasons.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good for you.

[Adam Curry]

One thing, the low notes keep varmints out. That's for one thing especially. You have a couple 15 inches.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

You'll never have problems.

[John C. Dvorak]

The low notes keep the varmints out. Is that bugs or just. Or mice and rats? Bugs. Bugs.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

So class, this is a tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, classical music will keep bugs out of your house.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you have you. Yes, but I. I'm using some down thrusting 15 inch woofers in the house.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you want.

[Adam Curry]

Creates a subsonic sound that the bugs don't like.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And does it matter? It can it be Vivaldi or does it have to be Wagner?

[Adam Curry]

I just. There's a. We have a couple of classical streaming stations I just placed, you know, everything, all the classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

And also they can't hear the cries from the basement, which is kind of good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're very useful. So Adams has never has any. And I said, I said, you don't. I. I don't know how it came up in the conversation, but he says no, it's just all. He says. I can't. You don't. You shouldn't play music because it's all propaganda. He's not talking about classical, he's talking about pop music. People always playing. You know, they got their headphones on, they're all bopping around. And he's of the opinion that it's all subconsciously designed propaganda that you should not be subjecting yourself to 247 especially, you know, if you're going floating around. And that's what I think is what Bertrand Russell said there in his commentary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, especially the beats part. I mean, listen. I mean, there's a whole category of songs about smack your bitch up and, you know, killing each other. And, you know, it's called hip hop.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of violence.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's called modern hip hop. It's very violent. So. And it's definitely with beats. Okay, so that's one. Aldous Huxley, of course, no stranger to the show. Aldous Huxley was part of Russell's and in British Intelligence, along with the Satanist Aleister Crowley, he played a huge role in the 1970s counterculture. Speaking to a 1961 conference sponsored by the Voice of America, Huxley said the following. There will be in the next generation.

[Various News Reporters]

Or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Without tears, so to speak. Producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that the people will and fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution. And I'd say that's spot on. I mean, Adderall, Ritalin, the micro dosing of Ketamine, I mean, all of this is going on and that kind of folds into Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death. Because now I'd say the pharmacological piece is one part, but we also have the doom scrolling is another part which kind of shifts the responsibility a little bit. But I just thought, yeah, okay, that makes sense that all those. Huxley would say that. And of course, we can't leave out the mega brain George Soros. George Soros career has been sponsored at all times by major British finance juniors, including the Rothschilds and the Queen. He has played a major public role in implementing this policy in the US and Latin America, along with the US and British governments. From 1979 forward, Soros, through his Drug Policy Institute, led campaigns for drug decriminalization and legalization. When you hear someone say the War on drugs is a waste of money.

[Various News Reporters]

And an offense to personal freedom.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the manufacturing belief this campaign created.

[Various News Reporters]

In addition, Soros, the National Endowment for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Democracy and USAID led campaigns throughout Latin America to overthrow nationalist governments and support the drug cartels. This picture showing the head of the New York Stock Exchange embracing Raul Reyes of the drug running FARC in Colombia speaks a thousand words. So if I look at the second Trump administration's track record, you know, Department of Education, USAID now going after the drugs on the street, but not just on the street. This really hasn't gotten a lot of play because of the shutdown. It's gotten to play and that's the drug boats from Venezuela. Admiral, I want to ask you about, turn to Venezuela. You've seen those attorneys attacks, those US Strikes on boats that the President said.

[Various News Reporters]

Are drug smugglers, are drug traffickers, drug cartels. What's your take on that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we always, people think of me.

[Adam Curry]

As the Naito guy, but I spent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Almost four years as commander of Southern Command.

[Adam Curry]

I would have been in charge of those operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

So as a commander, you're thinking, what are we trying to do here? I think what we're trying to do tactically is not down drugs.

[Adam Curry]

We're trying to deter drug smugglers.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're trying to send a pretty strong signal to Maduro and we're sending a.

[Adam Curry]

Larger signal to Cuba and Nicaragua.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I can see the impetus for all this. My concern would be, if I were.

[Adam Curry]

The commander right now, how strong is the evidence that I'm holding in hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

That can allow me to consider these people enemy combatants? We really haven't seen much of that evidence. I think the administration would be wise to release at least some of that.

[Adam Curry]

So they can justify these kind of extremely aggressive military strikes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just quickly, if you can, the.

[Various News Reporters]

Legality of this, he says that it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is in armed conflict with drug cartels. It's right on the edge. And that is why. See paragraph one.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get the evidence out, not the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sources and methods, but, but what are we basing this on? And then let's also capture a few.

[Adam Curry]

Of them alongside the more aggressive means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you want the intelligence, you want to be able to interrogate, you want to be able to hold those drug smugglers accountable in our court system. So it's right on the edge. It's really interesting the amount of people who are pushing back on this, blowing up the drug smuggling boats, you know, oh, well, you know, Trump's just killing people willy nilly and this can't be Done. And I'm like.

[Adam Curry]

I find the contrast to be interesting here is because of what Obama did with his kill list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. One every Tuesday.

[Adam Curry]

And he would blow these guys up all over the place in sovereign country. He wouldn't do it on the open seas. He would be in a sovereign country. He'd blow up a bunch of guys. And then he did. Which was really disgusting. Was the double tap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, exactly. The minute they came back. Yeah. No, when help came in.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, when this, when the. As soon as they said they blow up a pack. What he said was a bunch of terrorists and, you know, may or may not have been. And he decides to blow them up. He blows them up with the drone, with a predator drone. And he joked about it in one of the correspondence dinners about predator drones. Blows them up. And then they wait a while. So all the, all the ambulances and Red Crescent, whatever comes to help these people, then they hit them again to kill those people. That seems a little more extreme, especially on a sovereign nation, than blowing up a boat on the open waters, which they're making a big fuss about. But let's. Come on, let's go back and be realistic here if we're going to be critical.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course, we saw some of that in the, in the videotape that Glenn Greenwald got.

[Adam Curry]

They also showed the video of the blowing up of the. Of the terrorist cells. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which of course was shut down real quick. That's not talked about anymore. Even by Glenn Greenwald. That's not talked about anymore. But of course that didn't affect the actual money, the drug money that I think a lot of people that we're unaware of are benefiting from. So I was looking for some analysis on this and I found a report from, from Deutsche. Well, kick it off here. The United States has announced that it has carried out a new strike on a boat off the coast of Venezuela, the fourth in recent weeks. This one comes after President Donald Trump declared that the US Is at war with drug cartels.

[Adam Curry]

He made the designation in a notice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sent to Congress on Wednesday, which has been seen by multiple media outlets. It says the President determined the these cartels are non state armed groups, designated them as terrorist organizations, and determined that their actions constitute an attack against the United States. Last month, the US Said it carried out three deadly military strikes on boats in the Caribbean, in international waters near Venezuela. It alleges that they were smuggling drugs. The US has also built up its naval forces in the area and dispatched 10 F35 aircraft to Puerto Rico. A U.S. territory.

[Adam Curry]

It's the biggest military deployment in the Caribbean in decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

The strikes have raised questions about whether the US military is legally entitled to kill alleged cartel members under domestic and international law. By declaring the US Is involved in an armed conflict with the cartels, the Trump administration aims to provide a legal rationale for a its actions. But the attacks have also increased tensions between the US And Venezuela. Venezuela's left wing authoritarian president Nicolas Maduro has accused Trump of a covert bid to oust him. The Trump administration accuses Maduro of being a narco terrorist and a drug cartel leader and is offering a $50 million.

[Adam Curry]

Bounty for his arrest.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they bring in an expert on this. Christopher Sabatin. Listen to his resume. Senior Fellow for Latin America at Chatham House. Lecturer in discipline. Yes. Lecturer in discipline in the School of International and Public affairs at Columbia University. Spooks. Also on the advisory board of Harvard University's laspau, the Advisory Committee for Human Rights Watch, America's Division, and of the Inter American Foundation. He's also an HFX Fellow at the Halifax International Security Forum. You could not get a better guy to defend this. You want to say something?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, here we go. And to find out what exactly is going on here, I'm joined now by Christopher Sabatini, He's a senior fellow. Yeah. Let's find out exactly what's going on here, shall we? Let's get our information from this guy for Latin America at Chatham House, that's an international affairs think tank based in London. Mr. Sabatini, it's good to have you.

[Adam Curry]

You with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump says that the US is at war with drug cartels. I'm wondering first, what's the point of this notice to Congress, in your opinion? Well, frankly, this is an attempt to cover their argument. They're trying to demonstrate that this is a war that legitimates, in their view, attacking civilians without due process.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. There is an interesting little milieu usage there that I thought was interesting. What's that that you normally use would be legitimize, not legitimate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that not just an Anglophone Anglophiliation?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so. There's something fishy about using that term. Okay, I just use a marker as a marker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Marker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, marker. Well, I don't think this. I think his resume kind of already told us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, he's already marked, but it's just another give a marker for other. For other.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he's actually going to push back again. So again, Department of Education, we're getting the Illegals out. What's the usaid? Hopefully going after the. Was it for Democracy? The Endowment for Democracy. Yeah, all of these things. All of these things are all bad for America. And so now we're going after the drugs on the street and the supply lines and Chatham House is having none of it. Well, frankly, this is an attempt to cover their argument. They're trying to demonstrate that this is a war that legitimates, in their view, attacking civilians without due process, that in which they are the equivalent of combatants in a war zone. Questions have been raised across the aisle by both Republicans and Democrats that by declaring this war on. Narco terrorists is the term they like to use. It is in violation of the war power, and that is even in violation of international norms because they're killing civilians without due process.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. Without them, actually. Wait, wait. I like the way he does this. Another good one. Another good bit he just pulled. Which is as a violation of. Not in violation of international law, mind you. Which is. Which is a legitimate thing to complain about. No, it was a violation of international norms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good point. Good catch.

[Adam Curry]

Which is meaningless.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, my norms. Yeah, yeah, the New World Order. Norms. Norms. It's a violation of that. We don't do that. And then he says the war.

[Adam Curry]

But the way you couch it. The way you couch it, it makes it sound like it's a violation of international law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. They say norms, but also he's full of crap because the President sent his letter to Congress. He said, this is a war. These are terrorists. Here's my executive order. Who I've all said is a terrorist, including antifa. And these guys are terrorists. So I'm going after them. So he's. I guess he has 60 days or whatever, but he's within the War Powers act, which of course is super broad, but, you know, that's besides.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and if they don't like it, they can. They can. They can repeal it. They don't do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Narco terrorists is the term they like to use. It is in violation of the War Powers act, and that is even in violation of international norms. Good point. Because they're killing civilians without due process, without them actually being armed. So he's trying to draw this. I think it's a very loose and tenuous connection between drugs and armed combatants, which quite frankly a number of US senators, again, on both sides of the aisle, are not quite buying. Okay, well, we'll pay our attention to which senators are not buying it.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get a list of those guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we'd like to know who exactly is in with the British invasion here? So how does Maduro fit into this? You know, at the center of this US war on drug cartels is Venezuela and its president, Nicolas Maduro. Can you tell us what role do they play in international drug trafficking? They're large international drug traffickers. As a country. They're not producers and they're not producers at all of fentanyl. Fentanyl, when it crosses the border in the US Comes from Mexico, oftentimes from Chinese precursors materials. But in the case of Venezuela, what they are is they are a transshipment point for cocaine that's leaving Colombia. But they really only the cocaine that leaves Venezuela, most of it's actually bound for Europe. Only about 5% of the cocaine consumed in the United States comes across Venezuelan airspace or maritime space. Hold on a second. This guy seems to know a lot about it. He has percentages and everything like airspace.

[Adam Curry]

And by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are we going to shoot down planes now? What's it, what is this? I think that that was highly unusual.

[Adam Curry]

A little bit too, too granular.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not our main supply line. This is just a little bitty bit. Only about 5% of the cocaine consumed in the United States comes across Venezuelan airspace or maritime space. Most of the cocaine that enters the United States comes from the Pacific or up through the isthmus of Central America and through Mexico. So this is really an attempt to try to engage in another agenda that the Trump administration has, which is to try to engage in regime change to take out the Nicolas Maduro government. They've named Nicolas Maduro a, a number of his. I love how all of a sudden Maduro, he's talking very much like a Venezuelan associates in the government as being members of the cartel, which is they're claiming to collect my checking is a narco terrorist organization. And they're claiming that that gives them the license to effectively take them out. A little, little detour here for the Pentagon releasing the video of the hit tonight, the Pentagon releasing this video of a deadly military airstrike on what officials say without. Without any evidence was a drug boat attempting to smuggle narcotics into the U.S. the massive explosion sending debris raining down in international waters just off the coast of Venezuela. Flames shooting from the vessel. Wow, so graphic. The US says four people were killed.

[Various News Reporters]

The President has directed these actions, these strikes against Venezuelan drug cartels in these boats consistent with his responsibility to protect the United States interests abroad. Secretary Pete Hegseth saying our intelligence without.

[John C. Dvorak]

A doubt confirmed that this vessel was trafficking narcotics. The people on board were narco terrorists.

[Various News Reporters]

Today's strike is the fourth known US.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attack on suspected Venezuelan drug boats since early September. We have proof. All you have to do is look.

[Adam Curry]

At the cargo that was like it spattered all over place the ocean, big bags of cocaine and Fenton all over.

[John C. Dvorak]

The place, Big, massive bags. You all saw it.

[Various News Reporters]

And with.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Trump administration has now told Congress as rationale for the strikes, that they consider drug smugglers unlawful combatants with whom we are involved in armed conflict.

[Various News Reporters]

But critics question the legality.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the critics. Oh, the critics. We'll finish up with this Maduro shill here. By the same token, they've also doubled about on Nicolas Maduro's head to $50 million. So if you happen to have any information to be able to turn him over to U.S. authorities, you can make yourself a quick $50 million. That, by the way, is more than the U.S. placed on the head of Osama bin Laden. And it demonstrates just a general trend across this entire rhetoric and policy, which is hyperbolic. It's unclear really whether Carte de los Solis actually exists as a hierarchical organization cartel, as it's being described by the Trump administration. It's unclear to what extent Nicolas Maduro, he probably is very well aware of narcotics trafficking, flying over Venezuelan airspace and leaving Venezuelan shores. But it's unclear whether this is truly an organized operational cartel with him sitting at the head. But that's very much what the Trump administration wants to portray. But again, unodc, UN Office of Drugs and Crime, as well as independent investigators have really questioned the logic and evidence that the Trump administration is putting forward to make these claims. Everybody's in on this. They're all in on the money train with this, as far as I'm concerned. And what's interesting is that we've blown up four of these boats. It really doesn't get the same amount of play on mainstream media as the shutdown. You know, Epstein, of course, well, that's gone down a little bit. Diddy, et cetera. And online, we are obsessed with one thing and one thing only. Here's Nick Fuentes. So who owns your mind? Zuckerberg runs Meta, which is Facebook and Instagram. Jewish Alphabet, which owns Google and YouTube.

[Adam Curry]

Is run by a couple of Jews.

[John C. Dvorak]

Larry Page, Sergey Brin. Okay, so that's YouTube, Google, Facebook, Instagram. TikTok is now owned by Larry Ellison. So that's TikTok as well. Those are your social platforms.

[Adam Curry]

Out of the big media conglomerates, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got Disney, which is run by Bob Iger. You got NBC and Universal, which are run By Jews. You have cbs, Warner Bros, Paramount Studios now run by David Ellison.

[Adam Curry]

You've got the Salem Radio Network and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brad Parscale working on behalf of Israel.

[Adam Curry]

You've got Fox News, Wall Street Journal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Under the Murdochs, Dear Friends of Israel.

[Adam Curry]

You've got Daily Wire, Prager University, Breitbart.

[John C. Dvorak]

All run by Jewish editors, Jewish owners. Are you starting to get it? This is what, this is so phenomenal. He's on TikTok, he's on YouTube, he's on X. He can say whatever he wants to say, say, but somehow they're controlling your mind.

[Adam Curry]

He goes on about the, about the NBC and so whoever was he listed there, owned by Jews. That's. Brian L. Roberts is not a Jew. Is he kidding?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he didn't mention Elon, Friend of Israel. Yeah, and Sergey Brin doesn't run Google. That's.

[Adam Curry]

No, he hasn't been doing. Actually, I take it back. Roberts was born into a Jewish family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, there you go. So they're once again, the Jews are. And every single day, John, I get emails. Are you convinced?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should. You should. People get [e-mail]. it's easy to remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aren't you convinced yet that the Zionists run our country? Aren't you sure of it? And at this point. And Nick Fuentes, I. I mean, I don't know where he makes his money or how he makes his money, but that guy is some sort of an op and people love him. And he got Kanye in on it. Oh, that's the Jews. The Jews. The Jews are taking it all away from me. And you can hate Israel, you can hate the government of Israel, that's fine by me. That's okay. But the danger is that we start to all hate the Jews just like the Brits do, which is why I think, you know, it's my thesis. The Brits created the modern state of Israel in the first place. Send them all there. We can blame them for everything. And we'll do stuff in the Middle east and get our BP and, and all of our oil and anything else we want. And by the way, America has quite a history of hating Jews. I was watching a Dutch review, book review of Mein Kampf, which was quite interesting. And Hitler was a big fan of Madison Grant. Madison Grant wrote this book called the Passing of the Great Race. And he was the chair of the New York Zoological Society.

[Adam Curry]

Zoological.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said zoological. I started to say zoo, but then I said zoological, which later and today is now known as the Wildlife Conservation Society. Then he, you know, which is all the green agenda, which is, you know, the whole green thing. That's totally functional fascism. And if you look at the European Union with Ursula, it's basically the Nazi party dream. But my point is to say that we get suckered into this stuff so easily, and now it's become part of the podcast grift. I just have to say it because now you have to do stuff. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

Was it podcast grift?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Podcast grift.

[Adam Curry]

I like that term because you got.

[John C. Dvorak]

To add in there that obviously Israel killed Charlie Kirk and Israel is to blame for they run our country. They run Trump, they run everything. So now if you do a podcast, you've got to say stuff like this. I would never. This is Theo Vaughn, by the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I would never take my own life. I'm grateful to God for his grace in my life. I love my siblings. I have so many friends and people that love me and people that I want to see their children grow up. I'm hopeful that I get to have a wife and meet my own children one day.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a ton of things in my.

[Adam Curry]

Life that keep me alive and hopeful. I want to be able to have an impact in the. The world. Those are just a few of them, probably. You know, I mean, so many just moments we've shared on this show that I'm like, oh, I live for those things.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would never take my own life. I would never take my own life. Okay, you hear that? Israel? See this? This is. This is what you got. Oh, it gets better. Listen to this. Here's Candace.

[Various News Reporters]

Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been very loud about how she is against that. She has grown increasingly vocal, and she feels the need, as she did a couple of days ago, to publicly clarify that she is not suicidal. I mean, it's ridiculous, but we do all have to say it. If you have influence and you're speaking out against Israel, you do have to kind of make that statement.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do have to make that. This is why we don't make these statements, John, because we're covering for Israel. Obviously, we're covering for the Zionists. So this is the new grid rift. I'm not suicidal when I talk out about Israel.

[Adam Curry]

What is the benefit of taking this approach?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because people are sucked up into hating Israel. The Zionists, they run everything. It's rampant, dude. This has been going on for years.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I understand that, but what is the benefit? I still don't understand the benefits. I mean, besides not getting hate mail to adamari.com but the benches, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's audience capture. Everybody want just go look at my.

[Adam Curry]

My X time audience capture. You might be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm completely right. That's what it is. Don't you see now that your donations are going down? Alex Jones has been bleeding audience always.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, donations are going down because we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not hating on what they're saying is if you don't say Israel is running everything and we just don't believe it. We believe, in fact, quite the opposite. And I'm going to. I think we can prove that once again.

[Adam Curry]

It's so obvious that they're not running everything. They're not running anything. In fact, I have a. There's a couple of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got one more clip. We'll get to that. So, you know, the whole point is if you don't think, if you don't think and say out loud that Israel runs America and all of our politicians through aipac, then you're going to lose money. So it's basically either I listen to what you say and don't lose money or I take money from Israel. I mean, that's really the binary bullshit.

[Adam Curry]

Where's our money from Israel, by the way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Has it come in yet?

[John C. Dvorak]

So Marjorie Taylor Greene, now she has a good point because she is, she's, this is her own grift. She's playing on this in a very obvious way. And we know this from one of the last things Charlie Kirk did with all the Gen Zers. They're all saying, look, look, we look, we want, we can't pay our rent. We have, you know, it's a crappy situation in America and why are we sending all this money to Israel, which is 10 billion, let's say it's 50 billion. I don't care what it is. Why should we be doing that? And of course, the answer is because that's our military base in the Middle East. Fine. People can believe me or not, but that's literally aircraft carrier in the sand is how it was set up and what it was called in the 70s. We played all the crazy clips. But if you look at the money we send elsewhere, just the military in general is a trillion dollars. Look at the money we're sending all over the world. We sent 10 years worth of Israel money to Ukraine. Those flags drop pretty quickly. So Marjorie Taylor Greene is using this for votes and for popularity, which equals votes. And I can't blame her, but she is doing the same thing as the podcast Grift. Here she is with Matt Gaetz on O.

[Adam Curry]

Talk about AIPAC attacking You sending out fundraising emails saying that you are not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Acting in the interests of our country.

[Adam Curry]

Marjorie Taylor Greene, your reaction to AIPAC's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fundraising emails attacking you?

[Various News Reporters]

Yeah, Matt, I'll go ahead and be straight and honest about this. I'm absolutely furious. And as a matter of fact, AIPAC needs to register as a foreign lobbyist because they're breaking US laws by donating to members of the Congress and by taking them on a fully funded trip to Israel. Every single freshman member of Congress this year, they just took them over just recently and had them meet with the Prime Minister of Israel. But let's, let's, let's frame that correctly. They take them over to meet with the secular government of nuclear armed Israel. Israel who is in less than $400 billion in debt. Israel who has taxpayer funded health care in college. Israel is not hurting. And they've already proven that they are more than capable of not only defending themselves but annihilating their enemies to the point of genocide. And that's what's happening in Gaza. And Matt, the reason why AIPAC is attacking me is because I dared to tell the truth. As a matter of fact, I've been saying America first for a long time. But I'm getting to the point of saying America only. And I'll tell you why. Why, Matt. It's because pretty much if you're under the age of 40, you have no hope for the future. We're $37 trillion in debt. People can't afford to buy a house. They can't afford rent, they can't afford insurance, they can't afford their bills. And we have HB1 visas stealing all these American jobs. And I'm sick and tired and fed up with it. But listen, if AIPAC wants to come after me and accuse me of betraying my American, American values, a pack. You know what? You can bring it on. I am totally ready for this. And this is a fight that I will fight and I will give it my all. And I can guarantee you you're going to lose because America is fed up, Matt. They're fed up to here with funding foreign wars, funding foreign causes, funding foreign countries for foreign reasons that have nothing to do with American Americans while Americans work their ass off every day and pay their taxes and come home and they're living paycheck to paycheck and their credit cards are maxed out. I don't care anymore. I honestly don't care. So I'll burn this bridge to the ground and I will let the flames light the way and because this is a fight that needs to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she is playing into feelings that are rampant online, fueled, I'm sure, by other cops like Fuentes to blame it all. Because when you blame it on Israel, it goes right to the. I've seen this movie before. It's happened many times in history. It winds up with Jews getting killed, nice people everywhere in the world getting killed. That's just how it always winds up. But she's pretending like it's Israel. No, aipac, funded by the American Israeli Education foundation, which is funded by the military industrial complex, the very thing that President Eisenhower warned us about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Lockheed, Raytheon David users they funded.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re the ones that are going in there. And they're.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because it's money in their pockets.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're horrible, too, because there's. Oh, do it under the guise of Israel. Oh, you got to do it for Israel. Play on your Christian values, blah, blah, blah. But at the same time, you cannot deny that President Trump is now very clearly in charge of the situation with this Gaza deal. In fact, let me just play.

[Adam Curry]

I have clips, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got two clips and then I'll be done. Here he is. Listen to who he. Thanks for this deal.

[Adam Curry]

I want to thank the countries that helped me put this together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and so many others. So many people fought so hard. This is a big day.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see how it all turns out.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to get the final word down in concrete. Very importantly, I look forward to having the hostages come home to their parents.

[Adam Curry]

And having some of the hostages, unfortunately.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the condition they're in, come home likewise to their parents because their parents wanted them just as much as.

[Adam Curry]

Though that young man or young woman were alive. So I just want to let you know that this is a very special day, maybe unprecedented in many ways. It is unprecedented.

[John C. Dvorak]

But thank you all.

[Adam Curry]

And thank you all to those great countries that helped. We were given a tremendous amount of help.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody was unified in wanting this war.

[Adam Curry]

To end and seeing peace in the Middle east, and we're very close to achieving that. Thank you all.

[John C. Dvorak]

And everybody will be treated fairly. Doesn't sound like a very pro Israeli speech to me, thanking all of the Arab nations. And now he's out openly trolling Netanyahu.

[Various News Reporters]

Noga, good morning. It seems things are moving full steam ahead and Donald Trump is continuing to pile pressure on both sides. He is. He has not lost interest, Allison. And it is interesting to observe so that yesterday, hours after he posted on his truth social media website, a sort of another threat to Hamas, saying, basically, get a move on. You don't have a lot of time to release the Israeli hostages or else. Subsequently, he posted. He made two posts that are sure to have severely irritated Prime Minister Netanyahu. In one, interestingly, he. He posted an image of the more than 100,000 Israelis who gathered yesterday in Tel Aviv who rallied to demand an end to the war. This is a weekly event, in smaller numbers, a daily event. And somehow Trump has become aware of these things. It's the second time he posts and it's important, you know, Netanyahu refers to these protesters as enemies of Israel, as drama draft dodgers in the worst possible terms. So that was an interesting thing. And shortly thereafter, the President of the United States posted a map of the withdrawal lines that he proposes for this 20 point peace proposal. And he announced unilaterally that Israel had agreed, thus removing quite a bit of Israeli leverage in the discussions that are going to start in Egypt. The negotiations are going to start in Egypt as of tomorrow, as of Monday. So it is interesting to see him not lose interest and keep pressuring both sides basically every few hours since he announced this deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sombreros are coming. That's next. It's obvious who's running the show here. It's so obvious. But. Okay. All right. What you got on the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's go with these. I have some. These are from pbs and these are. This is Hamas. This is the story with a bunch of analysis, but this is the openers. It's Hamas PBS version one.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump is sending envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to Cairo this weekend to try to nail down Jared Kushner, another Jew trying to make money off the deal. Sorry, I have to give color commentary. President Trump is sending envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner to Cairo this weekend to try to nail down a deal between Hamas and Israel to free the remaining Israeli hostages. Hostages. The president hopes that would be the first step toward ending their war, which is to enter its third year. On Tuesday in Gaza, the skies were relatively calm. Palestinian hospital officials say Israeli bombing has significantly subsided, though not stopped entirely. They said at least five Palestinians had been killed. Israeli officials say the IDF has shifted to a defensive posture in Gaza. On social media, the the president said the next steps were up to the Palestinian militant group. Hamas must move quickly or else all bets are off. I will not tolerate delay or any outcome where Gaza poses a threat. Again, let's get this done fast. Ihan Yunus Displaced Palestinians said Mr. Trump's pressure should be directed elsewhere.

[Various News Reporters]

My message to Mr. Trump is to pressure Israel for a ceasefire. He is feeling for us and aware of our situation.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is enough. Did PBS mention the post he made about the Israeli protesters, the enemies of Israel?

[Adam Curry]

They have a bit. I think their analysis is better and it starts right with his next clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aaron, David Miller was a US Middle east negotiator in Republican and Democratic administrations. You're a former negotiator. Do you hear the things that Israel is saying that Hamas is saying? Do you get the feeling that we're on our way to a deal? You know, usually my sense is, is, is pretty negative given the gaps between Israel and Hamas over the last couple of years. But yeah, I think we are at least on, on the way to the release of hostages in exchange probably, probably for an end to Israel's comprehensive military campaign in Gaza. Beyond that, it is really difficult to say because both the yes, but from Israel, Israel and the yes, but for sure from Hamas TO the president's 20 points basically reflects still the impossibility right now of reconciling what the Israelis want for an end state and what Hamas does. But I think John, closer than ever, although in Arab, Israeli, Israeli, Palestinian negotiations ever is a kind of a problematic idea. Explain what the sticking points are on each side. What in the deal is Hamas not crazy about? What in the deal is Israel not terribly excited about? I think both are not excited about any of it except the president is the most exciting because what he is going to be able to accomplish if it holds is the return of all the hostages living in dead and likely, as I mentioned, an end to Israel's comprehensive military campaign in Gaza. Hamas wants to survive and they will be looking for two commitments that I don't think this Israeli government will be willing to give. Well, I think the statehood part is the big, is the big carrot which will never take place.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, all Trump, it seems, if you listen to this guy, that all Trump really wants to accomplish is stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, stop the killing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, stop. And then, you know, let's just stop. And so, but, but there's a key. But it also, as it will be revealed in the next couple of clips, there is Trump does have a lot more leverage over Netanyahu than people know about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Withdraw all Israeli forces from Gaza and a formal end to the war where the Israelis will not continue to exercise the right to preempt or prevent event if Hamas resurges. As far as Mr. Netanyahu is concerned, he wanted quote, unquote, total victory as he has maintained these many months, which would have meant the end of Hamas as an organized military organization. I think he probably the Israeli Defense Forces have. Have achieved that. What they have not achieved, and I think this is going to be extremely difficult, is the end of Hamas's political influence, influence in Gaza and its existence as an insurgency. So again, Netanyahu's end state and Hamas's are still, in my judgment, mutually irreconcilable. This is happening. Yes. Hamas is under pressure. It's happening. Yes, the Arabs are more united, but it is happening for one primary reason. You have an American president. I was part of administrations from Jimmy Carter to Bush 43. You have administrations from president that has exercised unprecedented pressure on an Israeli prime minister. Not since Eisenhower, who threatened David Ben Gurion with political and economic sanctions has an American president been this tough with an Israeli prime minister and actually threatened a quote or else. And this Israeli prime minister, since he needs Donald Trump to wage a successful election campaign to remain prime minister, probably in the spring or maybe the fall of 2026, couldn't say no. Oh, yeah, don't worry. We'll get you in jail, Bibi. Unless you send the boys from Shabbat on me.

[Adam Curry]

Which won't happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course not. That's a good clip.

[Adam Curry]

That's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

That accentuates the point.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And he wraps it with less of an accentuation here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that surprising given the relationship we saw between Mr. Trump and Mr. Netanyahu during Mr. Trump's first term? And also we keep hearing Netanyahu say Israel has had no better friend in the White House than Donald Trump. I mean, Trump fashions himself as the most pro Israeli president in human history. And the reality is, during Trump 1.0, I think Donald Trump created what I would describe as a sugar high for the Israelis. He applied no pressure, ample amounts of honey, but no vinegar this time around, given the fact that he wanted to claim success in not ending the war. Let's be clear. The war between Israel and Hamas is going to go on. But Trump, like in Ukraine, wanted to end the fighting, but not the war here. He's going to get the hostages out, most likely. And he will will ameliorate or diminish the comprehensive military campaign that the Israelis have waged over the last year, where they now occupy 75 to 80% of Gaza, where the Israelis are going to withdraw to. Will Hamas's weapons be decommissioned, as it says in the President's proposal? Is there going to be an Arab stabilization force will aid humanitarian assistance and Reconstruction to provide 2 million Palestinians finally with a secure source of potable water, sanitation, access to proper medical care and enough food. All of those issues, all of them remain to be negotiated. It's the best of all scenarios. Stop the killing, keep the threat of war going so we can continue to sell stuff. Stuff. That's what we do.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why APAC is still around. We can continue to sell, I guess, sign off. We got to build this, got to do this. We're doing in Europe too. It's coming later. I'm going to interject with two quick Rubio clips from this morning. He did all the morning shows. This is Manhands Welker.

[Various News Reporters]

Mr. Secretary, I want to read point 19 of the President's peace plan. I'll put it up so folks can see it. It says, quote, while Gaza redevelopment advances and when the Palestinian Authority reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people. Does the Trump administration now support Palestinian statehood, Mr. Secretary?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, look, first of all, that provision was very important to the countries that signed on with US and Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, etc. They all really, that's a very important point to them. I think the most important point to read out of that is that you have to have somebody to turn it over to. Right? Someone that you can hand that over to. We've always said that if there's going to be a two state solution, it has to be negotiated with Israel. It has to make sure that Israel's security is taken into account. And so I would argue that, I wouldn't say this is a new policy position. What I would say say is you want to be able to have in Gaza a place that Israel has no interest in governing Gaza. They want to turn it over to somebody, some organization that will govern it, that will not build tunnels and sponsor terrorism and come across the line and kidnap, rape and murder Israelis. That's who they want to turn it over to. And right now that doesn't exist. That has to be built. But Mr. Secretary, we need you to say that you are for a Palestinian state.

[Various News Reporters]

But Mr. Secretary, in terms of where the administrative administration stands, yes or no, does the Trump administration support?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not a yes or no question. That's a process. No, but that's not a yes or no question. That's a process. Ultimately, at the end of the day, we've always said this has been the consistent position of this administration of Myself and of a lot of people that have watched this for a very long time. In order for that aspiration to even be credible, it has to be realistic. We can't have a Palestinian state that's governed by Hamas or by some terrorist organization, organization whose stated purpose for existence is the destruction of the Jewish state. That would never work. Until there isuntil Gaza is governed by people that are not interested in destroying Israel. Until there are no security threats emanating against Israel from Gaza, you're not, forget about statehood. You're not going to have peace. So we have to create the conditions for that. That's going to take a while and that's going to be part of what these negotiations are about in the days to come come. But right now the priority number one is to get the hostages released. If we can't even get an agreement on the hostages being released, you ain't going to have long term peace here. So let's get that piece done. It's the most important. And then we can move to phase two and it'll give momentum to the rest of the effort. But this is not going to be easy. No one said this is going to be easy. We are dealing with something that's been going on for a very long time. Yeah, there you go. That's the, that's the 20 point plan and all the Arab. Where, where is animus of Dogpatch? Where's a dude named Muhammad? We need some boots on the ground. What is Iran thinking?

[Adam Curry]

He'd give us some information. He's probably floating around. He's probably part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he's in Doha. He's in Doha at the moment.

[Adam Curry]

So we have. I want to play this, this is the NPR version of what we played for pbs, but I only think I have to play clip one here, which is because they decided something came down. Now, most of these operations, these large scale operations, whether it's the New York Times, the Associated Press or npr, pbs, they all have style guides. And so you have to keep an eye on the style guys. In other words, the style guide will tell you as a writer or a reporter what terms you can use.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, yes.

[Adam Curry]

And how to put them. That's how you get, you know, birthing perfect person shows up kind of thing. And everyone's all of a sudden saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Birthing pregnant women, pregnant people, stuff like that. Front hole, front hole.

[Adam Curry]

So the style guys and I just caught this and see if you can catch it. It's kind of a, it's the way I edit it is kind of a giveaway, but I thought this was quite interesting. This is the NPR one clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reaction to President Trump's plan to end.

[Various News Reporters]

The nearly two year war in Gaza.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is being viewed cautiously by res.

[Various News Reporters]

Both Israel and Hamas say they endorse Trump's 20 point plan, but details have yet to be worked out. NPR's Carrie Khan reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Residents in Gaza, like Iman abu Aklain, a 48 year old mother of four, says the news of a deal is some relief. It's like we've been bottled up so.

[Various News Reporters]

Tightly and now we can take a breath, just a small one, as we are still living in a night nightmare, she says.

[John C. Dvorak]

Israel's military says it's getting ready to implement Trump's plan and has moved to.

[Various News Reporters]

A defensive only position, according to an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Official not authorized to speak to the.

[Various News Reporters]

Media on the record. However, Gaza health officials say airstrikes continued overnight killing and wounding Gazans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Killing Gazans, not Palestinians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good catch. Oh, it's already shifting.

[Adam Curry]

It's starting to shift now. We'll see if we start hearing the term Gazans. Gazans instead of Palestinians.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like saying New Yorkers swapping it.

[Adam Curry]

You're swapping out a term here. There's a reason for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good catch.

[Adam Curry]

I found that to be. That really stopped me in my tracks. That's where I ended the clip with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's good.

[Adam Curry]

There's a part two to this if you want to hear it. It just kind of wraps it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it was very short. I think so.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Israel is preparing a team for face.

[Various News Reporters]

To face talks as the US also sends envoys to Cairo according to two people briefed but not authorized to speak publicly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sources?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, nothing there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, this Gen Z color revolution around the world is very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I have a clip on this too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. You want to play yours for first?

[Adam Curry]

Well, mine is just about specific. It's a specific one of these Gen Z and this. We picked this up when it started in Nepal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This is the Gen Z212, Morocco's biggest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anti government process in years. Deadly this week. The demonstrations are led by a coalition of Moroccan youth who call themselves Gen Z212, named for the nation's dialing code. The group says the government is pouring billions of dollars into infrastructure for the 2030 FIFA World cup while neglecting domestic issues like health care and education. Demonstrations began across Morocco a week ago and some have become violent. This week three protesters were killed. So the Nepal thing was actually staring me in the face because, you know, I Looked at the map, Nepal between India and China. Oh hello. They wanted to join bricks. Well no, you're not joining bricks. You're not going to connect India and China to make it a whole brick segment there. You're not going to do that. We're going to send the Gen Zs on you. I have a little bit longer clip of Morocco which is still going on the Gen Z212 and what's very obvious is that it's very much like the BLM riots. You get everybody out there for social means like hey, you know, it's like we're spend sending all our money to Israel. We're against that, we don't want that. And then you send in the agitators, the people with the umbrellas who start smashing the windows and throwing the fire bombs and then you've got a mess. And then it's still the, it's the Gen Zeds who are very upset about how the government is spending money and not on them.

[Various News Reporters]

Anger has not abated in Morocco. For nights on end protesters have united against the government demanding better public services. In in some instances it has turned violent. Buildings have been set alight and properties destroyed. Many citizens feel the isolated incidents undermine demonstrators legitimate demands.

[John C. Dvorak]

We support the protests but reject the destruction. If we all want to protect public freedom, demand dignity and call for social justice, we must understand that social justice means giving everyone their rights. As a Moroccan youth I reject this ugly behavior of destruction and violence. Through peaceful protests we came out demanding our legitimate rights to proper healthcare and education.

[Various News Reporters]

The initial peaceful gatherings began on Saturday loosely organized by Morocco's Gen Z212 group.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I found it was mind blowing on this. France24 yes, they had a whole segment on Gen Z on all the Gen Z revolutions which I thought was very interesting.

[Various News Reporters]

What do all these protests have in common? Yes, they are all protests across Asia and Africa. But there is something more Corruption, lack of jobs, poverty, lack of social media platforms. These are just some of the problems stretching from Sri Lanka to the Philippines, Bangladesh, Bang bang Bangladesh, Nepal, Morocco and Madagascar. Protests have been ongoing for months, all starting in one main way led by Gen Z, the Generation born between 1997 and 2012 and organized through social media. In Morocco, protests were launched by the anonymous youth collective called Gen Z212 on the platform Discord referring both to Generation Z and the country styling code 212. The more than 120,000 members demand reforms in health and education and criticize the sums invested in the 2030 World cup at the expense of Public services in Kenya with the hashtag rutomastgo and the telegram Group Gen Z Raver 2 Gen Z has mobilized against unemployment, tax hikes and high living costs, sweeping protests across Nairobi and even breaching the walls of parliament. Madagascar, one of the world's poorest nations, has seen Gen Z group rise up against blackouts and water shortages leading to the dissolution of the government, but also leaving at least 22 people dead. In Nepal, Gen Z outrage erupted after thousands of young people reposted images and videos online showing the luxurious lifestyles of politicians children share with the hashtags like nipple kids and nipple babies. Despite social media ban, youth has organized mass protests against corruption and inequality. And the Philippines have seen the student and youth network Tamana along with others leading the recent marches in Manila over alleged corruption in flood control and infrastructures projects. Everywhere, the youth led undressed the use of digital platforms for organizations. The cross border inspiration. These mobilization do not necessarily or immediately result in lasting reforms. But it's clear that this generation doesn't want to survive in a falling system. They want to voice their grievances and transform it radically.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is some bull crap right here. Oh, Gen Z. The Gen Z is the most wussy generation ever. They're not starting any revolt.

[Adam Curry]

This is, this has OP written all over and it has an intelligence agency written all over it. But which one and why?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to tell you. Asia and Africa. Who has the interest in Asia and Africa? It's always been the British crown. Canada. It's the. I'll give the North Sea Nexus a break on this one. So I was corrected by many people about Discord because all this. Oh, it starts on Discord. Starts on Discord. And I said it's an open source platform. I was corrected by number of producers. No, no, there's a lot of open source projects that are run and managed on Discord. But Discord is a complete company product. You, you get it for free. Now when you get something for free, you're actually the product. We know that the business model is very odd of Discord. You can have Turbo Discord where you can actually give the company money and raise, raise money for your Discord server. You can get extra benefits and expansive features. They do have some advertising. I'm looking at this company and it's founded by two nerds who are gamers. But if you look at their, if you look at their timeline on their aboot page, spring 2025. Jason, he's one of the co founders, one of the nerds Announces his transition from CEO to board member and advisor. And Humam Sakni becomes Discord's new CEO. Sakhnini brings deep gaming industry experience from leadership roles at Activision Blizzard and King. So I go look at this guy. Well isn't this guy very interesting. He initially worked for the investment bank Nesbitt Burns Canadian Crown for the Department of Finance in Canada. This is a London city of London Guy participated the 20th annual meeting of the Canadian Economics Association Calgary. Authored three of Department of Finance, his fiscal policy and economic analysis branch working papers. He argued in favor of pre funding pension plans. It sounds like a gamer to me. He later founded and co directed the financial technology group firm IS Group which provided services to mutual funds and hedge funds. Let's look at his. Let's look at his education, shall we? Graduated Bachelor of Arts in the Economics from the University of Western Ontario before receiving a Master of Arts in Economics from the Queens University. He earned a Master's of Business Administration degree from Yale. This guy is an OP and the minute he comes in, not three months later, all of a sudden Discord is the platform of choice for all of these Gen Z revolutions. There's your op. It's blatant right there. Spend eight years as partner at McKinsey and Company. Yeah, you know what, this guy's absolutely a gamer. He joined London based King in April 2016 as chief financial officer and of course that's where he led the acquisition of Activision Blizzard. And I'm. And you know what?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't think he's an op. He's a spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a spook part of the op. And it's clearly the Brits who are doing this. They have all the interest historically in Asia and Africa. It's, it's like, okay, we see what you're doing. And they have just as much benefit to not seeing brics succeed as anybody else. They still have the pound. It's still a big deal to them. So be very aware of Discord Gen Z revolutions in our own country which will be a bunch of soy boys and girls going, what do we want? We want democracy.

[Adam Curry]

When do we want it?

[John C. Dvorak]

We want it whenever you give it to us. Yeah. And then, and then we have a.

[Adam Curry]

Lot of Gen zers that listen to this show that are more than happy to tell us what they think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I'm looking forward to it.

[Adam Curry]

And the calling them out as a bunch of wimps is probably not the, not necessarily 100% true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm generalizing, obviously I'm generalizing You're generalizing? Yeah, of course. Obviously I'm generalizing. Meanwhile, we've got Europe.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm with you. I don't believe that is this. There is A, this 212 thing and all the rest of it in these obscure countries where. Why, where you have this. Where they're rioting and there's this. It's just obviously been co opted. Is the old. We get some old terms here. Yes, old communist terms of co option. These guys are co opted in some way and they've got leaders. It's not leaderless and it's. But leader's probably not Gen Z at all and the whole thing is corrupted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, sure, Gen Z is a generalization by itself. It's like Boomer, like all boomers. I mean, I'm not even officially. Well, okay, I don't feel like a boomer, but put me as a boomer. Gen X, whatever.

[Adam Curry]

I feel like a teenager.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finally, finally an opening for the show I've been waiting for.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have the. Have the, the sense of humor for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So meanwhile, let's psy up the European Union a little bit more because we still need to borrow all these hundreds of millions for the omnibus. For the omnibus to get the drone wall implemented. We need the drone. We need more money. More money, More money. I have an idea. Check this out.

[Various News Reporters]

Munich Airport says it is gradually resuming flights after more drones were spotted early this Saturday. The airport shut down Friday evening for the second day in a row over drone sightings with dozens of flights and more than 6,000 passengers affected. More delays are expected throughout the day. Airports in Denmark, Norway and Poland have all recently suspended flight flights due to unidentified drones. Some European countries have directly blamed Russia, but Moscow has denied allegations. Here's Germany's interior.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are in a race between drone threats and drone defense. It's a race we want to and must win this race. That is why it is important to take the necessary measures at the European level to upgrade our technology, pool our expertise and ensure that drone defense technology is also developed in Europe in cooperation with partners from Israel and Ukraine. Ah, bring in Israel. Perfect. Yeah, we need the drone technology. Oh my goodness. Yeah, drones. Yeah, we have anti drones because that'll stop an icbm. Flights are canceled. It's because of the Russian drones. What a psyop. And then Earth. Ursula, the moron that she is. Hair. We're going to call her Hair Ursula from now on. Hair Ursula. She.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it could be spelled H A.

[John C. Dvorak]

I R. Oh, that's a good one. Too hair. Ursula. Yeah, she's got, you know. We're not done Europe. We're not done. The AI race is just getting started. It's not too late for us to get in on this scam.

[Various News Reporters]

Too often I hear that Europe is late to the AI race. The skeptics say we will repeat the main mistakes of the past and another generation of European talents will be forced to leave. I strongly disagree. Not only because the AI race is still warming up, but also because I've seen what Europeans can do when we set our eyes on a goal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What has Europe done for me lately? What. What fantastic technology has Europe brought us? Well, you know, when the AI is in the loop.

[Various News Reporters]

Because when AI is in the loop, we reach better solutions. Fast, reliable, affordable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reliable and affordable. It's safe and effective.

[Various News Reporters]

Some of your startups are already pioneering it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know of a single one.

[Various News Reporters]

Let me tell you. I'm a medical doctor by training. I'm amazing what AI can do in medicines. AI can assist doctors in diagnosing cancer much, much earlier. Or accelerate innovative medicines discovery.

[John C. Dvorak]

Duh. The big promise of AI innovative medicine discovery and detecting cancer.

[Adam Curry]

What she's talking about, what's it got to do with Europe?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all Ellison. It's all Oracle. That's the promise of Stargate. But you know what? Europe can do it.

[Various News Reporters]

We will spare no effort to make Europe an AI continent.

[John C. Dvorak]

That means no effort expense continent.

[Adam Curry]

She said.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Various News Reporters]

We will spare no effort to make Europe an AI continent. We will spare no effort to make you choose Europe. Because this is the great mission of our times. Thank you for inviting me, Europe. Thank you. Thanks a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Various News Reporters]

Long live Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks so much, Ursula. My lord, that is insane.

[Adam Curry]

Well, at least she didn't mention quantum.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, I haven't seen the whole speech. I'm sure she did. Now, before we move on, I just need to stop because we have now reached peak AI. This is an amazing thing that has happened, happening. And this is Sora 2. Have you heard of, seen it or are you aware of Sora?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but JC has brought me up to speed on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sora to. I have a, a, A two parter here of cbs. Cbs, cbs. Talking to a Wired reporter. Because of course, if you really want to know what's going on in technology.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Talk to them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wired is still relevant. Sora. Is it baby? Today we're announcing the Sora app, powered by the all new Sora 2.

[Various News Reporters]

Well, that may look and sound just like OpenAI CEO Sam Altman but it's actually a video generated completely by AI using the company's new app, Sora 2. OpenAI says it allows people to create and share AI generated video clips featuring themselves and their friends. Now, the clips posted by the company online show how unrealistic scenarios can look hyper realistic using this tool. All right, I got to bring in Zoe Schiffer, the director of business and industry at Wired magazine. Zoe, these videos are incredible. Tell us. No, no, they're not tool and what people can do with it. Yeah, so OpenAI first released Sora, their video generation model about a a year ago. And since then, a lot of other companies have kind of jumped into the space and the technology has been moving really, really fast. During this time, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman basically directed the team to start working on an app. And the thinking was that just like ChatGPT allowed people to kind of realize the potential of generated text, creating kind of a TikTok style app to watch and create AI generated, generated videos would be like a huge unlock to make people realize the potential for video generation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I have some analysis about this Sora TO app, but first we just have to finish with this Wired reporter. I think you and I universally would agree that most technology reporters are who are for the technology companies. And when you actually say that you're not, that's like a red flag.

[Various News Reporters]

Yeah, you got to wonder what some of these Hollywood directors are thinking about some of these videos because they look so realistic and put yourself in avatar, some of these big blockbuster films. It's amazing to see what they're able to do. Are they approaching, though, the safety concerns as this technology becomes more and more advanced? I mean, there's some scary stuff that can come out of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scary stuff.

[Various News Reporters]

Yeah, absolutely. And far be it for me to like act as an OpenAI spokesperson. But as someone who's reported on this company pretty deeply.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does that even mean? Far be it from me to act as an Open AI SP spokesperson. Why would you even say that?

[Adam Curry]

Are you Far be it from me, which is some phrase you very. I don't think I've ever used in my life, but I've heard it. Far be it from me. Which is just crazy if you think it, you try to figure out what it means. I would be an AI spokesperson to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Act as an AI spokesperson.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's like, it's almost like a scripted comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she's been read in and she's spouting the company line. That's what I think it means. Yeah, absolutely.

[Various News Reporters]

And far be it for me to, like, act as an OpenAI spokesperson, but as someone who's reported on this company pretty deeply, I will say that I actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which means she's. She's got inside knowledge. Which means she has.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then she uses a performative. I will say, yes, why don't you just say it? Why do you say, I will say. And then you say it. Why don't you just say it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Various News Reporters]

Yeah, absolutely. And far be it from me to like, act as an OpenAI spokesperson, but as someone who's reported on this company pretty deeply, I will say that I actually do think they're taking these concerns extremely seriously. Earlier this week, the company rolled out parental controls to help parents, you know, have a little more oversight into their, the accounts of their children and specifically their teenagers. When the Sora attention app rolled out, they like kind of baked in some of those parental controls specifically to allow parents to stop their kids from like, doom scrolling. So I think that they're trying to be proactive and get ahead of at least some of the major concerns. And to be clear, this is an app that you can use, anybody can use on their phone or tablet or computer, correct? Yeah, exactly. So you can download it now in the App Store. I think at least today you need a code from someone that's using it but is already kind of taken off. There's a lot of people jumping in. There are some restrictions, like if you try and generate a video of, say, Taylor Swift or even like Darth Vader, it'll stop you. It'll say that, like there are, you know, copyright restrictions that are baked in and it won't allow you to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, her full performative was, I will say, I actually do believe that's a. That's a. That's a mouthful. So this is a brilliant move by OpenAI, because this is going to be high. I could already see it. Highly addictive. People love it. Scaramanga got put out of business in like one fell swoop. Or possibly he can open a business, depending on how he, how he manages his time. The whole point of this, if you look at the app, what is the first thing it wants you to do? Scan your face. This thing is fresh content for OpenAI's large language models. And every numb nut is going to do this. Oh, yeah, put myself in this movie. Let me show you my face. Yeah, you got it. You got. Oh, look at this. Of course they're going to be sued into oblivion, but by then they'll already have what they need. They needed fresh photographic videographic content because they know where it's going. They know that this whole notion of it's for business. Business, nah. They need to be generating video and pictures and they need new content. And I will never put my face on it. I would say, I think if there's pictures of us out there, I think you should just fill the entire Internet with slop of us. But I'll never put my face on it because Taylor Swift shouldn't have any more protection than I have but my likeness. So I think this is a move that is blowing everybody out of the water and Google is going to try and run and catch up and it's going to cost them more and more and more money. And that's where the next trillion dollar is going to have to come. Because we're almost there, boys. We just had another trillion dollars. It would be really. One of our young friends, she works for a. Worked for an AI recruiting company in Austin. Not that they were recruiting AI people, but the. They used AI to match job openings with candidates. And she said it was 30, 70. 30% will be great. 70% would just not work. And they're about to close the doors. They just couldn't make it work. They always kept saying to their investors, if we just have a little bit more, we're almost there. We can almost do perfect matches every single time. You can't. This stuff is hallucinating. You can't, you can't get 100%. You can get maybe up to 70, maybe 60. This is a losing proposition. So Altman just extended his life, I don't know, his business life by maybe several years. Because this thing, I think it's going to overtake TikTok. It's, it's this. You want to dictate.

[Adam Curry]

I disagree completely.

[John C. Dvorak]

You disagree with it. It's going to overtake TikTok.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because it's a piece of crap. I have watched the. I got the lecture about this. I was shown all the videos and the pro and even JC admits that this stuff is not watchable. It's. Yeah, it's very good. I mean, you see very high resolution images of something happening that doesn't exist in real life. And it, A lot of it looks like this has to be a real person. Well, but it's not. But it is. There were some of these videos, they were 30 seconds long and you couldn't watch five seconds before you were bored stiff.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a different opinion.

[Adam Curry]

A real good TikTok video of a Fat chick falling on her butt off of a bicycle is far superior to the garbage that this thing is producing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the difference is you can put yourself and your friends in the movie.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody cares. I think that's. I'm not gonna. I'm not interested in that. And I don't think it will be the.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're not. I'm not either. It will be the number one app within one month.

[Adam Curry]

You are. We have to assume that we're not alone in our thinking.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm giving you my. My input. I'm giving you my opinion.

[Adam Curry]

Agree with me that we're not interested in putting our faces on all these sorts of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

We aren't.

[Adam Curry]

We're in.

[John C. Dvorak]

We.

[Adam Curry]

We. You and I are in the majority.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't even use a phone. So you're not. You're in the minority. You are in the minority. You don't do selfies.

[Adam Curry]

I am not in the minority. When it comes to. When it comes to not using the phone or keeping it in the drawer to be. To be straight about it, and you bring it up with anybody, they fall in love. Oh, my God. I wish I could do the same thing. I wish I would. Wish. I wish. I am in the majority. I just be the only one to follow through.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Okay. You are the only drug addict who got out. Yes, you are a winner. Winning John C. Dvorak is a winner, but that is not the majority of people. The majority of people are losers, and they are addicted to their phones. And now they can put themselves into the movie. Ah, no. This. This is going to fly. But we'll see. We'll see. I'm. I'm willing to admit defeat. I'll give it one month. This is the number one app. Everyone's talking about it. Every news show. All these. All these.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, you can make something the number one app. Even get these news idiots to push it because everybody fall apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ego man is ego. People love themselves. That's what the whole selfie thing is about. An entire, entire device was created in the selfie thing.

[Adam Curry]

It is bothersome.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a selfie movie is what. They're going to love it. People will love it. They will love it.

[Adam Curry]

And it's completely free. How much this guy is burning cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why they need to have this be successful. And they will make it successful, come hook or crook. Oh, there's a Jew reference for you. They're going to make it successful. Successful. Altman taking over. Taking over. Everybody's going to be going to Be scopping everybody with his Sora too. This right. Everybody loves Israel. They're going to make it the number one app because he needs another couple of trillion dollars to finally get to the business stuff that's actually going to work, which we know it just won't. In the meantime, Spotify removes.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you have to give the guy credit for keeping. He's got the balls in the air.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gave him a lot of credit.

[Adam Curry]

He's got a bun of plates. He's spinning them around. Is another one. Is another one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do as an entrepreneur.

[Adam Curry]

How long does this go on?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, as long as he can keep putting plates up, he can spin them. And Spotify now, now they're in trouble. Spotify is in trouble because they had.

[Adam Curry]

You keep saying that, but they keep making money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, well, that's kind of the point they had. They deleted 75 million sports songs from their catalog. And they. And the reason they did that is because the majority shareholders of Spotify, even in the public markets, are the publishing companies. And the publishing company is like, hold on a second. We can't have this. We can't have every Tom, Dick and Harry making our money off of this, off of these AI songs. So I think that you're going to see some other platforms picking this up. I would. If I had a music platform, I'd be like, all AI all the time. Bring it over here. Make money. Make money with your songs.

[Adam Curry]

So you think that Spotify made a mistake when they ran these, these fake bands and they ran them as legit and it. And they were found out and then, yeah, the public, the music publishers making actual music.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the owners. Owners got very mad.

[Adam Curry]

The owners decided, hey, wait a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the true owners. Yep, they got very mad.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, easy money.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I don't know, we'll see what Apple and Amazon on those. But I mean, people were loving this. Like, hey, I just made a song. It cost me 20 bucks a month to make a thousand songs and I'm making five bucks on royalties. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, you know, more trucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm monetizing, man. I'm monetizing, monetizing my creativity, my prompting creativity. Please, more of it. Please fill the Internet with as much of this slop as possible. Keep it going. Just keep it going until nothing is usable. I mean, already, if you just. I was looking for. I was looking for a story on Nepal with a Gen Z thing, and that included discord. Well, you have to wade through at least 15 AI generated news stories to find something. And even then, it's like, still dubious. It's filling. It's filling everything up. And still the podcast industrial complex. We need a tag. We need to tag this AI. We can have AI AI podcast, please.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because the advertisers are getting fleeced. That's why. The advertisers get.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the advertisers gotta get a clue.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will, they will, but they always do.

[Adam Curry]

And then they get. They drop off. And of course it does a shakeout. You have a, you know, an Armageddon of podcasts. They all go out of business, the ones that try to make money. And then all of a sudden something changes and the advertisers are suckered back. They always get suckered back.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Look at these numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Bob, have you seen these? These numbers?

[Adam Curry]

I think we got an opportunity here.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the one and only AI continent, Say hello, my friend. On the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John Cen.

[Adam Curry]

The ground feeding the air, subs in the water. All the dames tonights out there in the morning to the troll in the troll room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stand still. Let me count you for a second. There we go. Dog days of summer 2158. Listening live. And they are listening on no agendastream.com which should be fixed. Tell your friends, tell your neighbors everything works. Again, they are trolling along in the troll room. Trollroom IO also, noagendastream.com you can use your model modern podcast app, which may or may not have some AI slop in it. But of course, the biggest downside to podcasting is there's no discovery mechanism. So it's also its biggest protection. So there's no algo that's shoving podcasts in your face all the time on the podcast apps yet. No, it's decentralized. It's impossible to happen. It's impossible. It will not happen, which is good. And the more slop, the more people will want to hear two old dudes yakking away. Oh, it feels so comfortable, doesn't it? Just to hear people make mistakes. Yeah, it does feel kind of good. Oh, they disagree. Oh, no. They actually sound emotional about something. Oh. Oh, my man. You. You and your noise makers. Oh, good lord. You and your noise makers. I got another one here. I've got the sign Noisemaker. Modern podcast apps. Go get yourself one of those. It's your protection against AI slop. Go to podcast Apps dot com. Pick one up. They're all pretty darn good, I would say. And with that, of course, you will also be alerted when we go live. You can listen live in your podcast app. What legacy app does that let me think? None of them. And within 90 seconds of publishing, you will be notified as well. Which legacy app does that let me think? None of them, of course. That's why we want to be ahead of the the times and on top of the news. Wasn't that. Was that New York Daily? Was it the Daily Post?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ahead of the time.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I lived in New York for a while. I remember these things.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Extra E. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drop the extra S for savings. Dial a mattress. I remember that. Crazy Eddie's prices are insane. Insane. So the 26th of October will be 18 years that we doing this podcast. And all the. All that time John's been studying my Tourette's and he is now an expert, which is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we've only seen each other twice in the last 10 years.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just once is enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ditto. Right back at you, bubba. So we accept time, talent, or treasure in return for the value that we provide you. And we think that after 18 years, to people agree, four out of five doctors will say that the no Agenda show provides value, and you can provide that back to us in many different ways. Monetary is the one that makes the show guaranteed to continue. But we also accept other things, such as AI Slop. And we get that from our no agenda artists who are now prompt jockeys. And one day, one day the actual artist will return. You can wait for it. When everyone's listening to AI Slop songs. Eventually, eventually, you know, a Ramones comes along or.

[Adam Curry]

I think they said the same thing about Photoshop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, clip art, Photoshop, everything. And it was. It was all a problem. Everything. Every technology is always a problem. We don't want to be Luddites, but there you go. Hey. We had a new artist check in. He'd only been a no agenda artist for two weeks, and we liked his AI sloppiness. His name is Jock10joq10. He did the artwork for episode 1804, which we titled Mucho Retardo. We like that. And it was a fat general in the submarine. He couldn't get in or he couldn't get out. And people liked it and we liked it.

[Adam Curry]

It's an admiral.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is it? How do you know it's an admiral?

[Adam Curry]

Because it's a Submarine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, thank you. Good point. Thank God you know about these things. Fat Admiral. Fa. Fat Admiral. And of course these were as uploaded to no Agenda Art generator dot com. If you're having trouble uploading a piece of art, you need to have the exact dimensions as specified. That's just a little little tip for those of you having trouble. It needs to be the exact dimensions in order to upload. And we Let me see. We looked at a looks at everything. Of course there was a lot of of obvious well, there was the battle ready from Blue Acorn. That was a fat soldier eating a donut. I'd say that was probably a close second. We had lots of stairs running up and down. You like the Adam John Adams bugout kit.

[Adam Curry]

For some reason it was just too small.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was too small, but it included a handgun, a revolver, a flashlight, a cracker. The one cracker like a Graham cracker kit. And so much water. Let me see, what else was there?

[Adam Curry]

A lot of sombreros.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of sombreros which didn't really work. Again, we see people using collapsing models. The mastermind your models collapsing that you're using?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. You have to. Yes, that's right. We made a point to mention him. The mastermind needs to take his pieces and either put them of in front Photoshop or someplace to to brighten them up. Get rid of the your have a. They're dull. Yeah, they're very dull and it's not a big deal. You can put them in Photoshop and there's a couple of filters you can just pop make them pop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's, it's just interesting to see that there's model collapse, whatever you're using.

[Adam Curry]

Is this been one or two models that I don't know what he's using.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's, it's getting worse.

[Adam Curry]

It's muddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the worst I've ever seen it. It's getting worse and the more this is out there.

[Adam Curry]

It's not getting worse, it's just bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. You are so optimistic about your your silicon.

[Adam Curry]

I'm the optimist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you go live with Sam Albin? I'm sure he'd love to have you. Why don't you just go hang out, get a room get a room with Sam Altman. You Noagenda art generator.com is where you can upload your slop. And we do appreciate people doing it at all. To, to be honest, I'm already looking at today's art. There's plenty of opportunity to win people plenty of opportunity. Just typing in drone EU flag, no agenda is not going to get you a winning nod. That's not going to happen. As part of this value for value model, we of course want to thank our financial supporters who all they do is.

[Adam Curry]

You see man Hands by blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

A second, hold on a second. Let me see man hands. You're jumping ahead of the game. Where's man Hands? Oh, man, that is gross.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's gross.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's gross, that's gross. Here's how value for value works. There's no levels, no subscriptions, of course, no tote bag. You know, all you do is you listen to the show. He's like, hey, I like this episode. I got something out of it. Let me send these guys some coin. And whatever that value represents to you, you put it into a number. People like numerology in general. So send us a number that is meaningful to you and you can do it anytime at any moment you feel it's appropriate. Noagendadonations.com and we will now thank a very few amount of supporters. I'm sure that our lack of audience capture is going to hurt us severely, John. No doubt about happens. It happens. Yeah, it's happened throughout. Throughout the 18.

[Adam Curry]

But at least we're honest purveyors of the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. And we don't have to do stupid stuff like saying, I'm not unhappy. Are you unhappy, John? We don't have a suicide pact. I'm not going to kill myself.

[Adam Curry]

Are you Israel?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, top executive producer today, here's how it works. And we thank everybody $50 and above. And in this particular segment of the show, we thank the people who came in with $200 or above who are fortunate enough to be able to do that. And we highly appreciate it. So we do have something extra for them. It's called the title a credit which is an official credit that Hollywood recognizes. You can go to IMDb.com and see all of the no agenda executive and associate executive producer. So $200 and above gives you a credit of associate executive producer. And we will read your note within reason. And $300 or above you become an executive producer. And again, we will read your note within reason. And for the time being, $500 gets you a secretary generalship. And Matthew Lomar from Ellwood, Illinois comes in with exactly that. So he will be a secretary general. And he says, hey, this is Matt Lomar, the guy who will kick the noodle kids ass. Figured I'd get my secretary general Certificate and claim the title as Secretary General of water Weld Drillers. That's a good one. As such, can I humbly request karma for my small water well business? Haas Services Any no agenda producers. Welcome to contact me with well questions. Actually, I have some well questions for you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you have a well question?

[John C. Dvorak]

I do have a well question. I would like.

[Adam Curry]

This is our well guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the well guy. I would like a little more water pressure. We have our own well. I know how it works and I know where the thing is buried. You know, the canister. Is there anything I can do to up the water pressure? Do I have to have that thing dug up and a new one put in?

[Adam Curry]

We put a pump in. You pump it up to a tower outside your house. You build a tower.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we have an eight. I should get it in before the HOA kicks off.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Get that tower up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put some ham antennas in there too.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Curry farm on the tower. Put some lettering on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And one of those windmills with a vein with the.

[Adam Curry]

One of those metallic pumping.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it'll do the pumping. Pump in. That's right. Yeah, that's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Pump it all up to the tower and then the tower will provide the pressure.

[John C. Dvorak]

And on the tower just put Petticoat junction. That would be even funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well. Well, yeah, you could do that too. Put some dresses hanging on the thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any no agenda producers welcome to contact me with well questions and producers in the northern Illinois area can get a free service call. Contact information is down below. Currently doing some research on the new fuel pumps out in the wild that play ads all the time while buying gas or diesel. Interested in that? We need a report. The fuel distributor I got you, I. I use got new pumps and for a while the ads were all flu shot ads. Well, it's called remnant inventory. More will follow when it becomes available. Do have a tip of the day if needed. Anytime. Matthew Lomar hoss [e-mail] H O S S W-E-L-L A N--P-U-M-P.com and here is your karma as requested.

[Various News Reporters]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

This is like Hoss Cartwright.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hoss Sir Guy in Brackley, North Hampshire, UK 333.33 they're alive.

[John C. Dvorak]

They still alive.

[Adam Curry]

Good. We're glad to hear from you. Don't say anything too bad. Just storm rail arrest you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey. Both some well deserved and overdue karma donation. Paying it back. Love you loads, sir. G. That's spelled G H E. You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karl Dietrich, Lakeland, Florida, 333.33. Love that number. The last time I donated, he says Adam was helping me troubleshoot album art on my Windows Phone. Holy crap. So it's been a while. Yeah, man. When did the Windows phone get discontinued? 10 years ago. It's been a long time. What was the name of that phone? Windows?

[Adam Curry]

Well, 2007 is when it was pretty much, wow, wiped out. What was it called a while back?

[John C. Dvorak]

What was it called again? The Windows? Was it just Windows Phone? Doesn't sound right.

[Adam Curry]

I had a Windows Phone. It was called something.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been a while. Long past due for another donation. Thank you for your courage. Well, thank you. I appreciate it much.

[Adam Curry]

And there we have Jackie Green, our guitarist. Jackie Green, the famous guitarist in Orangeville. Ken, California, 33333. Another musician that listens to the show. No jingles, just love and God bless y'.

[John C. Dvorak]

All. Ah, God bless you too, brother. John Bigelow, Glenview, IL 33333. Even though I've been donating $33.33 since Adam's first Rogan appearance, the sad puppy got to me. I'm well past knighthood, so please de douche me.

[Adam Curry]

You've been douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'd like to be knighted. Sir John of the Techne Basin. I'd like Ribeye and Malbec at the round table. It has been ordered. Thanks to Adam for coming up with a possible identity for the they in all my conspiracy theories. Yes, the North Sea Nexus. Thank you, John. See you at the roundtable.

[Adam Curry]

Janet Giles or Giles or Giles. G I L L E S in San Marcos, Texas, which is just where you are. 333. She's got no note that I can find and so we have to give her a double up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma on the way. You've got.

[Various News Reporters]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's $300 coming to us from the indie no Agenda raffle. We do have a meetup report. That's Greenwood, Indiana and it's a switcheroo. First, Sir David Killian. So let me do that right away. Make sure we get that, cuz he won the raffle. This is Instantite, Sir David Killian. I actually sent a note at the end of this email back in 2017, but it was never wrote. Read on the show. I sent in $1,000 back in episode 498, Obey the Giant Voice System. Wow, that's a long time ago. I looked it up on no agenda clip genie.com. john might remember that I was always that I always sent in bill paychecks with no note but something in the memo. Do you remember this?

[Adam Curry]

Let's see, that was 15 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, after that I would send in 3, 3. 3.33 every quarter for several years. So I'm at least four times times knight or a baron if the peerage committee agrees.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard nothing so I Sounds fine to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your peerage committee. I would like to be called Baron David Killian of the Illinois Prairie. Please play Donald Trump. Don't. Just don't trust China. They're eating the dogs. And Trump, Trump. He's the president. Yes, I've actually found that one. I've labeled it properly this time. And he goes on to say My podcast player for iOS recommends recommendations for no Agenda chapters with rotating artwork, Pod Home and podverse. These are modern podcast apps I like the best, but long initial low delay. For non chapter supported podcasts, I prefer pocketcasts. Also a 2.0 compliant app. Nice to meet the Indiana Meetup organizers and the other attendees, Indianapolis Indiana Meetup organizers Mark and Maria of the Greenwood Fort Wayne Indiana Meetup organizer Shannon for a great meetup as well. Thank you. Soon to be Baron David Killian of the Illinois Donald Trump. Don't trust China. China is they're eating the dogs. He's Trump. He's Trump, the President. There you go. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

Then we drop down to so one lone associate executive producer seems and guess who it is. It's Linda Lupatkin, who never misses a beat. She's in Lakewood, Colorado, asks for jobs Karma and says for a competitive edge, where? Well, a resume. So we got Linda lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado, $200 jobs karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs and writer of Winning resumes.

[Various News Reporters]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's vote for Jobs Misgo Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1805. We appreciate every single one of you and we'll thank the rest of our supporters. Value for value, $50 and above. In our second segment, go to no agenda donations dot com. You can set up a recurring donation if you want to. That means any amount, any frequency that you determine or just do a one off like I got some value, got to send some value back. We all love it all. Thank you. Noagendadonations.com Congratulations to the executive and associate executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

They're eating the dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave. Shut up. That was pretty funny, John Stewart. I don't have a clip. I should probably get a clip from it. He's like, he doesn't understand why Trump hasn't gone after him yet. Hey man, come after me. I need.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm being ignored over here on Comedy Central Mondays.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yes, I need the attention. Come on, Trump, you used to hate me. What happened? You know, hate me anymore. It's no good. I, I need one of those comeback shows like Jimmy Kimmel had.

[Adam Curry]

Please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

That is, that's pretty pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

As if.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the networks are just dying with these late night shows and they're not making any money. They're high budget, hundreds of people working there and they're trying to get rid of them. So let's blame Trump. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And even that back backfired.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that didn't even work. So Kim will pull the stunt and ended up still on the air. And the Disney guys have got to be shaking their heads saying what do we have to do to get rid of this guy and do something that makes us some money?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, maybe he should be suicided by Israel.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. Yeah, give Israel a call.

[John C. Dvorak]

Call Mossad. 1-800M O S A H AD hey, this story, and maybe I'm wrong, but if I recall, isn't Chevron leaving California? Was it Chevron?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I, I'm asking.

[Adam Curry]

No, they, they're closing Richmond refinery and the refinery that got, that got, got itself in trouble is the El Segundo refinery, the big boy down in Southern California.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wouldn't that, wouldn't that make for a perfect withdrawal from California altogether?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, yeah, but it didn't really destroy the refinery. It just made a mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you listen to this report.

[Adam Curry]

Overnight, a massive explosion at a Chevron refinery sending a massive fireball into the night sky. Firefighters rushing to the city, seen in.

[John C. Dvorak]

El Segundo, California around 9:30 last night.

[Adam Curry]

Trying to tackle that gigantic blaze. Several fires burning within the facility.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have heavy flames showing from the refinery. I'll need a truck company with a master to respond to this.

[Adam Curry]

Towering flames and billowing smoke turning the night sky red. The inferno could be seen for miles. That blast so strong residents say they thought it was an earthquake or a plane crash.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was terrible exposure, very loud, terrible House like more than any earthquake ever before. Out of control for sure.

[Adam Curry]

And we didn't know what was going to happen next. Those residents were told to stay indoors and shelter in place after concerns about the air quality.

[John C. Dvorak]

There are several massive flames coming from the refinery.

[Adam Curry]

That right there appears to be the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epicenter of this explosion that occurred.

[Adam Curry]

At times it seemed like the fire was under control and then it would flare back up again. The smoke traveling to nearby lax, blanketing the planes on the tarmac. That oil refinery is the largest on the west coast, spanning 2 square miles. It supplies more than 40% of the jet fuel and more than 20% of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The motor vehicle fuel for Southern California.

[Adam Curry]

Not yet clear what caused this explosion, but no injuries have been reported.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just saying if I wanted to get out of California altogether with a big fu like, oh, our plant blew up, get some insurance coverage.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's probably not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just thinking it's a concept and the.

[Adam Curry]

Property is worth a lot of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could resell it.

[Adam Curry]

You have to do a cleanup first.

[John C. Dvorak]

The California take a while.

[Adam Curry]

Especially after years and years of making leaded fuel.

[John C. Dvorak]

California Resources Riviera, baby. Right there. It's beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

It's a nice spot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I just thought that to be rather suspicious.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This happened before there though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suspicious.

[Adam Curry]

They have some maintenance. Chevron's always been sloppy. Here's my story about the maintenance at these places. So I worked at these refineries and I was inspector at Chevron in Richmond, but I worked at the Union Oil refinery and there used to be this, this big thing before it was taken over by the sheepies that own it now. But when Union Oil had it, they used to paint their tanks all these pastel colors. It was very pretty sight when you drove through it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see that when you landed at lax, or is that a different place?

[Adam Curry]

No, we're talking about up here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it's relating to Chevron to talk about their fact that they're cheap with their, with their maintenance. Yeah, this is roundabout story. I don't have to tell it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you do.

[Adam Curry]

So they had, they used to paint their tanks and so when I started as an inspector at Chevron, their tanks were all rust buckets. They were just looked terrible. It was an embarrassment when you looked at them. My God, this place is a wreck. Because the tanks were all rusting and falling apart. So I talked to one of the managers about this and compared to the Union place where they painted the tanks beautiful pastel colors and they kept painting them and Maintaining them. And he said they, there was a cost effect. There was a cost analysis that Chevron did that showed that yes, you can maintain the tanks will stay in, in place a longer time, but the cost of maintaining them with the paint actually is more expensive than letting them rust fall apart. And rebuilding a new tank now sounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like the American way.

[Adam Curry]

The American way. And so, and so then over time, what was, what was the irony of the whole thing was that Chevron, because they were getting so much grief for these ugly looking rust that rusted out, out tanks had a, the perfect solution. Instead of painting the tanks white and letting them rust, they painted them rust colored.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a blend in.

[Adam Curry]

It was genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's great. I'm glad you told that story. That was.

[Adam Curry]

And they're very pretty. The rust colored tanks are really pretty. It's just like, okay, well that works.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, they blow up, but otherwise.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they rust out and leak and it's a mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's good. That was well worth, well worth it. I like that. You got some other errands?

[Adam Curry]

I have some stuff here. I gotta, I can talk about COVID the bull crap, long Covid clips or I gotta Diddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do Diddy. Let's do Diddy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is the one. Yeah. That's just a summary of what happened with Diddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Sean Combs has been sentenced to. Scott Scheim and everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Sean Combs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Sean Combs has been sentenced to more than four years in prison after a lengthy hearing in Manhattan yesterday. The rapper, producer and businessman was convicted in July on two prostitution related charges. Chloe Melas has covered the Combs trial for NBC News. She joins us from an airport now. Thanks for being with us.

[Various News Reporters]

Thanks for having me. Good morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was acquitted of the most serious charges, sex trafficking and racketeering, one of the two charges of which he's now been found guilty.

[Various News Reporters]

Those are two accounts of something called the Mann Act. It's transportation to engage in prostitution. And he was found guilty by the jury over the summer of those two counts. But like you said, he was acquitted of the more serious charges, which he faced a life in prison sentence if convicted on those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, tell us more about this sentence of about four years because the judge could have handed down something lengthier, couldn't he?

[Various News Reporters]

So the judge could have given combs up to 10 years on each count of the man act, which means he could have faced up to 20 years in federal prison. The judge giving him four years and two months is actually quite a surprise. Because it is less than what the probation department recommended, which was between five and seven years. Now, it is not what Combs legal team wanted, which was 14. I actually spoke to one of his attorneys, Brian Steele, last night outside of the courthouse following the judge's decision. And they said that they were very disappointed in this and that all they want is Combs to come home and that they plan to appeal.

[John C. Dvorak]

We certainly heard a lot from Sean Combs, alleged victims during the trial. How did they receive news of the sentence?

[Various News Reporters]

One of the first individuals to react to the news of Combs's sentence was Cassie Ventura, his longtime girlfriend, who was a key witness in this trial. And in a statement through her attorney, she says that nothing can undo this trauma. But basically this is a step in the right direction, that this shows the serious nature of his crimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they need to get this guy back doing those beats, you know? Yeah, that's right. You gotta get some beats going on to psyop the kids. This pisses me off, actually.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

My friend, the ER doctor who worked through Covid as an ER doctor who got psyop during COVID into a Medicare scam. Honeypot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You're a guy there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Honey potted by the Justice Department itself, pretending to be patients. This Guy was an ER doctor. Not sophisticated in scams. He's serving 10 years for like a couple hundred thousand dollars over several years, which he legitimately did not had and no way of knowing it was a scam. And this guy walks with four. This. This is dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can see what they did. I think you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That bothers. Bothers me, apparently. I'm gonna go visit him again in November. Talk to my Metallica boys. They're the guards. Hey, boys, I'm coming.

[Adam Curry]

So there is a. I have a series of clips from. I think it's pbs. I'm not sure. But this is about Long Covid and it's a bunch of bs, it seems to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it finishes with what I called the Croc.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Long Covid. Let's just establish whatever you think. And by the way, you don't have to emm me because I guess whenever we talk about Long Covid, people tell me it's real. And I'm not saying that it's not real that you don't feel something and you feel bad or you have something. But calling it Long Covid is bullcrap. It's a cop out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it keeps. I believe after listening to these clips and listening about Log and Covid over the five Years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I believe it to be part of a effort to keep the word Covid in play so you can sell more vaxes. Because a lot of people, especially the new super spike or whatever it's called, Moderna's big Spike, a lot of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have chronic fatigue disease. That's real. But even one of the. One of the guys here goes to our church. He's. He's in his late 40s, I think, maybe 50. And he was diagnosed, oh, it's long Covid, but really he had heart arrhythmia, you know, and so it's like they just say long Covid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Triggered it, probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, or the vax, it triggered it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. Not vax, not vaxxed.

[Adam Curry]

He's not vaxxed. But did he ever have Covid?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, a lot of people here, 10 test, so who knows? Oh, I have Covid. Yeah. So I don't know. Okay, well, did he think he had Covid? Yeah, for sure.

[Adam Curry]

So here we go with the Long Covid bs. And the thing is, it's two things. Keeping Covid in. In the. In the public brain, and then also money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's been more than two years since the pandemic ended, but millions of Americans are still living with masking up. That's a catch. All term for Covid symptoms lasting at least three months after testing. Positive symptoms can vary from person to person, but they range from mild to severe to physically disabling. Recently, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Kicked off new efforts to address long Covid with a roundtable discussion with doctors, researchers, and patient advocates. In the past, the response to epidemics of this kind has been to pump a lot of money into ivory tower science to try to solve the problem. We've already put $1.5 billion into NIH to solve long Covid, and we've got literally nothing from it. Ali Rogan spoke to two members of the long Covid community. Dr. Michael Peluso, a physician and researcher at UC San Francisco who attended that roundtable meeting. Meeting. And Meagan Stone, the executive director of the Long Covid campaign. So can I get the zip code for the Long Covid community?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the Long Covid community. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, it's just south of you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Community. All right, all right, go on.

[Various News Reporters]

Michael and Megan, thank you both so much for joining us. Michael, first to you. We just heard Secretary Kennedy say that there's been nothing to show for any HHS's investment so far in Long Covid research. What do you say to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think many of us agree that progress has really been too slow. There are a lot of patients really suffering a lot of disability, a huge economic cost. At the same time, there's a lot of commitment on the part of clinicians caring for patients with long Covid researchers really trying to figure out the answers for these patients. Patients. What I think we need and what.

[Adam Curry]

I hope that this roundtable will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

The beginning of is a really clear both a short term plan and a long term plan for figuring this out. We need a broader, organized strategy.

[Various News Reporters]

So what would make up, Michael, sticking with you, that long and short term plan in order to make this strategy work? What's needed?

[John C. Dvorak]

There are actually three specific things that I advocated for at this meeting, and I think that there was kind of broad agreement on these things. The first is real investment. Real investment. Real investment in a diagnostics and biomarker program. Biomarker. Both to help people get a diagnosis of long Covid in the clinic, but also to help us identify individuals who may benefit from a specific treatment strategy or for participation in a specific clinical trial. The second thing that we really need is a rapid scale up of the number of clinical trials that are happening. We've seen some improvement, some increase in.

[Various News Reporters]

The number of clinical trials over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Last couple of years. But I'd like to see a dozen more clinical trials right now testing all.

[Adam Curry]

Of the different possible leads for what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Might cause long Covid and how we might help people feel better. Translation, we don't really know what it is either.

[Adam Curry]

It's just, it's pathetic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but give me, give me some money and I can tell you what it is. Money, money, money, money, money, money.

[Adam Curry]

And then the third thing that we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really need to help that happen is we need the pharmaceutical industry to get off the sidelines and to really connect. Participating in clinical trials, putting their drugs up for testing, investing deeply in this problem so that we can get answers for people who are really debilitated from this condition.

[Various News Reporters]

Megan, as somebody who is a patient and an advocate, how are you feeling about the commitments that have been announced recently? Well, right now, Today, there's about 20 million Americans just like me who are living with long Covid and many of us were in the prime of our careers and lives and now are disabled and chronically ill. And so the administration's announcements that Secretary Kennedy made were welcome. It was really good to see the HHS secretary having a high level meeting, bringing together all the parts of government that we really need to work together to find a solution solution. That's really what we need to see so that parents like myself can get back to volunteering at our kids schools, we can go back to our workplaces and patients can finally get the tests and the treatments that we've been waiting over five years for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I'm just going to guess that your final clip should not be 3 minutes and 10 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

Let me take a look. Probably not. Generally speaking, I can explain how that happens once in a while, but I'm not going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, why bother?

[Adam Curry]

I'll tell you when to cut it off. It'll be around. We'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buck 20.

[Various News Reporters]

You've been working on these things and advocating for your community for these five years. Based on your experience, what are your hopes for what happens next? And also where do your concerns lie?

[John C. Dvorak]

Like many people, by the way, this is so scripted. I mean, you could think you can.

[Adam Curry]

Hear an NPR show or, or it's PBS scripted. But by the way, when I play the Boeing, it'll be over surprise years.

[Various News Reporters]

Based on your experience, what are your hopes for what happens next? And also where do your concerns lie? Like many patients, the Long Covid campaign has been calling for biomarkers so that we can do research and figure out if treatments are going to work and hopefully get a test so that people in the United States, Americans who are disabled, can more easily qualify for disability, that we can see insurance coverage. We really want to see the FDA move more quickly. And we're hoping with these announcements from the administration that we'll see them more rapidly approve clinical trials with the endpoints that we need, and then work together on approving treatments and therapies that families and Americans living with Long Covid urgently need. We didn't see the progress we needed under the Biden administration. And I know so many patients are ready to work with this administration in an earnest way to actually solve this, this problem. And for both of you, COVID 19 and long Covid are things that many Americans have quite simply moved on from. And yet there are many, many more people who are living with this every single day. First to you, Michael. What do you want people who haven't been affected by Long Covid to know about this community?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's really important that people understand that this can often be an invisible disease and that there are a lot of people really suffering and really debilitated by it. And you know, I think that the investment in addressing this problem is likely to have benefits that extend beyond this problem. Long Covid is a really, really challenging disease to study. To research, to treat, and it'll be a big problem to solve. But I think that if we have the resources and the strategy and the long term plan to do it, this should be a problem that we can, can solve.

[Various News Reporters]

And Megan, Americans may feel like the pandemic's over or that Covid is in the rearview mirror, but even in just the last few months, we saw the announcement that long Covid is now the most common childhood illness in the United States. It even surpassed asthma. So it's still.

[John C. Dvorak]

What it surpassed.

[Adam Curry]

Asthma, the most common childhood disease in America is now long Covid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hard.

[Adam Curry]

When did that happen? When you, when you're a kid, you can't even get Covid. It's hard, it's almost impossible. But somehow it's become the number one childhood disease, surpassing asthma, according to these Jam Oaks.

[John C. Dvorak]

That I'd like to see some data on that. Give me your Taylor Swift phony story. What is this? Taylor Swift?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, this is a, I got this. This is a, this was, you know, they have to talk about Taylor Swift on npr, of course, because it's Taylor Swift. But this is kind of, I consider this even though they kind of couch it as like a positive thing. She's a good marketing woman and all this and that, but this to me just says she's a big phony. Taylor Swift talks about her musical and personal style in eras. Researchers say those eras have also influenced how she speaks. Matthew Wynne of the University of Minnesota, co author, authored a study that analyzed her speech from 2008 to 2019.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a person moves to different cities and different communities, they have motivation to change how they speak. While most people don't record themselves from location to location, Swift's career allowed for that. We have this timeline of her voice throughout the years.

[Various News Reporters]

Swift was raised in Pennsylvania, then moved to Nashville.

[Adam Curry]

Wynn analyzed this clip of Swift's speaking from her time in Nashville.

[Various News Reporters]

My role models in country music are Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Dixie Chicks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part of what it means to be a country musician is to speak with that Southern accent and just to make sure that she was welcomed into that community. Maybe that was something that helped that process.

[Various News Reporters]

When Swift released Red in 2012, her speech seemed to change. A return to her Pennsylvania accent seemed evident in a live webcast in 2013, a huge inspiration from my imagination, she.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was exiting country music and entering pop music where a Southern accent wouldn't have necessarily fit in as well.

[Adam Curry]

Then after she moved to New York, the pitch of her voice dropped, as in this 2019 interview with CBS Sunday Morning.

[Various News Reporters]

And he has 300 million reasons to conveniently forget those conversations.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was a time when she was being much more vocal about social and political issues and the autonomy of musicians.

[Adam Curry]

Over their own work.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so I think she did what a lot of people do. She took those issues very seriously. She started speaking with a lower voice. This was what university now?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I don't. Pennsylvania or something. Whatever this is. Talks about her musical and personal style in eras. Researchers say those eras have also influenced how she speaks. Matthew Nguyen of the University of Minnesota, Minnesota, co author, Minnesota if you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the University of Minnesota, drop out immediately. They are misusing your tuition.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is like Harvard and having that, that, that, that drag queen give a course in.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Drag queenery.

[Adam Curry]

What was the name? She gets this crazy name. Somebody in the. I guarantee that at least five people in the troll room will come up, up with her name. And it's a course and it's just a crazy nutball course. And it's Harvard. There it is. There's coming now.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm waiting for it. I'm looking in the. Did we have a clip?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't have a clip of that. It's dumb. So that's dumber than what I just played.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, what you do have is you have a podcast clip. Let's end on a podcast. Podcast clip.

[Adam Curry]

I have a podcast clip. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Podcast about Bucky's noteworthy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, this is. Well, this is noteworthy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Noteworthy. That's why it's an afterthought of the show.

[Adam Curry]

Noteworthy because I have a commentary about this clip. This is about a, a podcast coming out that's going to spend an hour or two talking about Buc EE's.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Various News Reporters]

Small town in southern Colorado. There's a proposal to build a BUC EE's, a massive convenience store, slash gas station known for its beaver mascot and endless gas pumps.

[John C. Dvorak]

The proposal has divided neighbors and cost officials their jobs.

[Various News Reporters]

It's just all this wild human nature that has erupted over a gas station and beaver nuggets.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't you just sit there and shut your mouths and listen to white feet?

[Various News Reporters]

I'm Benta Berkland.

[John C. Dvorak]

On this episode of purplish from CPR.

[Various News Reporters]

News, how plans for a Buc EE's Travel Plaza sparked a larger than life controversy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hit the button below now to start listening. Okay, your noteworthy conversation.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi, of course, is running for office in the Port Angeles area and runs into this all the time, which is that the council and the county commissioners and everybody in between, you can present them with Petitions. You can have the places packed with people that tell them to do this and that. You see it in the score in school boards. You see it on your YouTube videos and they refuse to act. The these local officials for some reason over the last few decades have not become response. They become unresponsive to the local communities. And this Bucky story, I'm sure is exactly the same. This is completely out of control. They've gotten something into their heads where they don't have to listen to the police public anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why would they? That's why. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. For city council. Thank you. Digit up. The troll room is on the ball. Headline. Harvard hires drag queen as visiting professor in gender and sexuality studies. New courses include rue politics, Dr. Iconography, the name of the drag queen. You ready? Lahore Vagistan.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a pun.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be f. We got some pretty good meetup reports coming. The one from Indiana. Always fun to hear the ones that Damon Miller puts together for us. John's tip of the day. We got end of show mixes and right now we will thank the rest of our value for value supporters. $50.

[Adam Curry]

Very short list because. Yeah, very short list. Only 24 people total donated today. Wow. Starting with John Robinet, $100. And Steve Brown, 100 bucks. And then Matthew Gill in Raleigh, North Carolina. 83, 30, 38. Kevin McLaughlin's are already up at the top there at eight thousand and eight. He's the Archduke Aluna, lover of America, lover of melons. Darius Walker in Charleston, West Virginia. 7414. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona, 6006. Steve Banstra, 59.93. I'm sure there's some meaning to that. And we have Elizabeth Barish, I think for a husband. This is a switcheroo for Jeff Barish, who's going to be turning some age, I think. Of course she's on the birthday list. His birthday is on Saturday. So there you go. 55. 55. Probably 55. That's my guess. He's turning 55. Brian Furley, 5510. Sir Selverin in Silver Spring, Maryland. 5272. You know, I always thought it was Silver Springs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I always thought that too. Silver Springs, Maryland. I've always.

[Adam Curry]

But it always comes through as Silver Spring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe it's wrong. Maybe it's wrong. Wrong.

[Adam Curry]

James Sharametta Napanok, N.Y. 50 and these are all 50s, the last few and very few, I would say. Chris Coniker in Anchorage, Alaska. Alex Zavala and Kyle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kyle Nicu. The Nick. Kyle the Nick. Dad. Alex or Alex.

[Adam Curry]

Carrie Jackson in Waterton, Tennessee. Walker Phillips in San Rafael, California. And last on a very, very, very, very, very, very short.

[John C. Dvorak]

How short is it?

[Adam Curry]

Very. Troy Funderberk in Missoula, Montana. I want to thank these folks for show 1805. Yes, it's a good show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think we, we had fun and we delivered some value. If you'd like to return it, time, talent or treasure, go to noagendadonations.com we also have a P.O. box. Oh, thank you. By the way, Natalie Taylor, I got your salad dressing. Did you get your salad dressing?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you tried said salad dressing?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

We. What did you think?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that seasoned is a well designed salad dressing. Except at least for my taste. It's extremely salty.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought so too. Tina wouldn't use it. Wouldn't try it. She says it has seed oils in it. She looked at the back right away. What seed oils? I'm not going to try this. Something to be said for that. But we appreciate it, Natalie.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you very much. To be said, but okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seed oils will kill you, man.

[Adam Curry]

Seed oils.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Go to no agenda donations.com to support the show. We appreciate everything everybody does. Again, thanks to our executive and associate executive producer is episode 1805. You will be in the credits and again go to noagendadonations.com to help. Here she is, Elizabeth Bank Marriage wishing her smoking hot husband Jeff a very happy birthday. You celebrated yesterday. I guess we turned 55, didn't we? And Kevin McKenna, happy birthday to his daughter Anison. She turns nine years old. Happy birthday, Aniston, for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And there he is, one of our top executive producers for today, Sir David Killian. He comes in as Baron David Killian of the Illinois prairie. Thanks to his exceptional amount of donations four times night. There you go. We appreciate it. You are now officially on the peerage map. And now we do have one Secretary General. Secretary General. Cause they are the ones to be hailing. All hails are secretary generals on the dope Agenda show. I really wish we could get a redo of that jingle. People keep telling me it's wrong. I know. It should be Secretary's General. I know. Hey, John Bigelow, thanks for your support. Today you become a secretary General, my friend. And you gave us the name the Name was. Let me see. Secretary General. I'm sorry, Not John Bigelow. My mistake.

[Adam Curry]

You named the wrong guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I named the wrong guy. I'm sorry, the wrong. It's. Sir, it's Matthew Lomar. That's who I meant. A little confused. A little confused in the control room. Matthew Lomar. Congratulations. You shall now fairly be known as Secretary General of Water well Drillers. Yes. All hail to the Secretary General. All hail to the Secretary Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to Secretary General on the no Agenda Show. There, now we got Bigelow. Bigelow becomes a knight today. So get out your blade for John Bigelow. If you wouldn't mind, please.

[Adam Curry]

Got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very nice. Oh, that's a sharp one too. Hey, John Bigelow, pop up on the podium here. You, sir, are about to become knighted. You will be a knight of the no Agenda Roundtable. Thanks to your support of the no agenda show and $1,000, I'm very proud to pronounce the KB as Sir John of the Technique Basin. For you. We've got Hookerson, Blow Rent Boy, Poison, Chardonnay. We got a Ribeye and Malbec. That's what you really wanted. Along with that, Harlots and Haldol. Redheads and ryes, Beers and blunts. Cowgirls and coffin Varnish. Ruben Esque Women in rose gachas and sake, Vodka vanilla bong hits and bourbon. Sparkling cider and escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and Pablo men as always. We've got the mutton and the mead here for you. Congratulations, sir. You go to noagenderrings.com the same of course, goes for ourselves. Secretary General Sir David Matthew lomar. Go to noagendarings.com. that's where you can get your Secretary General information. And for the rings, you. It's a beautiful signet ring. So it'll give you some wax to seal your important correspondence with a certificate of authenticity. Just give us the place where we want to send it to and your ring size as a ring sizing guide on the website. And welcome to the round table, Sir John of the Techni Basics. No Agenda. Well, we had a couple of parties going on in the past couple of days. We have a meetup report. Leo Bravo out there in Los Angeles. They just. They never quit the Los Angeles. They just stay there, keep meeting. This is flight number 67 of the no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Yo, yo, yo.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Leo Bravo at meetup number 67. The crew has things to say.

[Various News Reporters]

This is Myra from Ocholo. Come join us anytime after 11:00am this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is Eric reporting from downtown Los Angeles where there's nothing happening on the streets except for Comic Con going on across the street. And we're here all dressed as furries pawing our Mexican food in the morning. Go. Okay, now we go to Indiana. Dame Annette always puts together a great meetup report because there's always a lot of people at the indie meetups. This is Dame Marette, Maria and Sir Mark.

[Various News Reporters]

We are so happy to be back in Indiana with our family here.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing in the morning. This is Syrup of the maple. And today was a hot meetup due to climate change. Gary here. Sorry I've been gone for the last few months, but my reprogramming for Spook has taken a little longer than I thought.

[Various News Reporters]

Hey, this is Emily. And if we keep saying four more years, we essentially have y' all at least seven months into the next administration. So four more years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brusque here.

[Adam Curry]

Just drinking some beer with Emily, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fed Nader from Indianapolis. I'm here. Should not have ate that whole pizza, but it's still good to see Mark and Maria in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Matt, finally driven in from the wilds of southeast Indiana. Only Mark and Maria could bring me back from my ranch out in the woods.

[Various News Reporters]

Dame Trinity having a great time in Indy. It is great to see Mark and Maria back in the States in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

John and Adam, Sir. PBR Street Gang here from Fort Wayne. Loving to see Mark and Maria back again. This is Ted from Batesville, part of the walking wounded. Glad to see Mark and Maria back here.

[Adam Curry]

This is Chris from Indianapolis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newbie just came for the free wine.

[Various News Reporters]

There's free wine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is David and I'm from Illinois. My first meetup in Indy. Glad to be here in the morning.

[Various News Reporters]

In the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dame Swanny. I'm next to Sir David, who just won the raffle. I didn't. Sir Benny here. And I'm sitting next to the most fabulous Dame Swanee I could ever imagine. In the morning. John and Adam, this is Nick. There's a lot of pressure for me to be funny, so I'm just going to say Kash Patel's eyeballs.

[Various News Reporters]

Hey, this is Brandy at the Blind Owl playing crowd control over these crazy folks. Maybe some of you guys can get your servers to partake a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Wonderful. Hey, there's a meetup taking place on Thursday. It is the Dakota Tavern in Parker, Colorado, on the 9th. That's Thursday. Thirsty Thursday at Dakota Tavern kicks off at 5:30pm and coming up, we've got the Johnson City, Texas meetup on October 10th, followed by the Fredericksburg, Texas meetup on October 11th. Gonna be a lot of no agenda superstars there. I'm sure sir Dirty Jersey Whore will be there. I think sir Mark the filmmaker is gonna be there. Tina the Keeper will be there. I'll be there at the same time. October 11th. Garden City, Idaho meetup. Charlotte, North Carolina, the 16th. Colleyville, Texas on the 18th, Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 18th. Columbus, Ohio on the 18th. Lansing, Michigan on the 19th, Los Altos, California on the 25th, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania on the 26th and Berlin, Deutschland. This has to be some kind of illegal move. They're going to do a meetup and talk about things. That's October 27th. Send us a report light in the Netherlands on the 31st. Going into November, Albany, California. Get John out of the house. Meetup on the 15th and January 3rd. We already have a meetup on the book. Santa Rosa, California. Those are just a few of the no agenda meetups which you can find at no agenda Meet meetups dot com. Go there because you will love these meetups. Connection is protection. You get it at the meetup. The people who will be your first responders in an emergency. Noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. To be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Always like a party. Guaranteed to delight. Time for our ISO Off. ISO off. Isoff. ISO off. ISO off. We both have two I see. Except one of yours is named Oso. New. Your spelling mistakes are getting better with the years.

[Adam Curry]

They're funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually, I thought that was a different podcast clip you had. Like Oso. Oh, it's an ISO. I see. It's really short. I got it. Okay, I'll play mine, then we'll play your. See which one we choose for the end of the show. Here's my first.

[Various News Reporters]

Utterly breathtaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Non AI and utterly breathtaking. Or this one. This is a.

[Various News Reporters]

This is a big one.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, what do you have? Uh huh.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, it does are tough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have a way. I don't do AI. I've got ISO hosts.

[Various News Reporters]

This show gets better. Better with age. Like the hosts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not AI at all. Gee, you fooled me, John.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, it sure gets better with the age. Like the hosts.

[Various News Reporters]

This show gets better with age. Like the hosts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Speak for yourself.

[Adam Curry]

And, and there's the one. Best podcast.

[Various News Reporters]

Best podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can go with this.

[Various News Reporters]

With age, like the hosts.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can go with that one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Of course you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's cute. Of course I can. Hey, everybody. Here it is. It's John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, I'm gonna do my. I do this about six of these a year. And this is a wine tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good. We love a John C. Dvorak wine.

[Adam Curry]

That I. I have it every so often. And every time I have it say, why don't I plug this wine? And it's interesting because I'll give you a little backstory about some of these cheap California wines that are done by Gallo, and they bring out this fabulous wine that. The Turning Leaf was a good example, if you can remember back that far. Came out, it was a cabernet. It was like 10 bucks, 9 bucks tasted like a $50 wine. And then the next year tasted kind of like a $20 wine. And then the next year tastes like a $5 wine. Folded. But they made lots of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet they did.

[Adam Curry]

So this is different. This. These guys have yet to have dropped the quality of this product. This is. This is a screwball wine that I think came out of the. This came out of a bunch of purchases. Actually have the bottle here that Robert Mondavi did before he died.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Robert.

[Adam Curry]

Robert Mondavi. This is a Robert Mondavi wine. And he bought a bunch of California wineries all over the place to use. Used as estate taxes. So he could just dump the wineries and the kids would still have the main winery. But it turned out that the president changes. Whatever happened, he ended up with owning these places, and they changed the names of them. And I don't remember which one this was in specifically, but it's one of the Valley wines from San Joaquin Valley, I think. But it's sold as Robert Mondavi. And I'll tell you what it says on the label. And it's like nine bucks, maybe. Maybe up to 12 someplace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I get it at Costco?

[Adam Curry]

Costco will have it, but all kinds of places have it. They make a ton of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it's a black label wine called Robert Mondavi Private selection, which is always a giveaway for what? Come on. Nine bucks. Ten bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's a black label. Isn't it always a black label wine? Isn't always black label?

[Adam Curry]

No. Robin Mondavi has a tan label. Well, this always has a black label, because it's not really Robert Mondavi. It's not a napa wine. It's not made there either.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think it's Robert Mondavi.

[Adam Curry]

It just says Robert Mondavi. Okay, Robert Mondavi. Private selection Bourbon barrel aged Cabernet Sauvignon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, that's very popular.

[Adam Curry]

And this wine for year after. I've been drinking this on and off for about five years as a kind of a. Just a quick wine if you want to have a dinner. Hamburger wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

After breakfast.

[Adam Curry]

After breakfast. Hamburger wine. It's good for. It's good eggs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hamburger wine.

[Adam Curry]

It's a total hamburger wine. And it is just, it's got, it's for a California wine. It's dark, it's. It's got some cabernet character. It's got a lot of oak and it's a bourbon style oak. If you don't like oak, don't get this wine. But if you like oaky wines, this is a very well made wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to see if HEB has it. I'll talk to Matt that at HEB and I will tell them to push it.

[Adam Curry]

I'll say it's a cheapy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll tell them to put like one of those, you know, put a sticker on it. John C. Dvorak tip of the day wine. I'm telling you.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we should have work tip of the day one.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Find all of John's tips of tipoftheday.net. what a good one. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti. Wow. I always love it when you do a good wine tip, especially when they're cheap, which are most of your wine tips.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, no, I try to keep them cheap and they have to be readily available too. I mean you just can't have, you know, something up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait. I'm gonna go to HEB tomorrow and say, hey man, I need that. Robert Maldal. The private selection Black label bourbon barrel. Bourbon barrel age. Yes. Yeah, it's very popular here in Texas. The bourbon barrel age along with Texas heritage wine, whatever that means. Hey, we're gonna end the show. Mixes from B Dubs and Jeffrey Crocker. And coming up next on the no agenda streams abs in a six pack. It'll be episode number 270. We need another live show after our live show. Where are the live shows? People? Give us a live show coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country. Soon to be the place of another meetup here at J6 or Jenny's Place Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meet us here again on Thursday. We'll do it all over again for you with more media deconstruction. Until then, remember us at Know Agenda donation. Adios, mofos a hui hui and such.

[Various News Reporters]

Good evening, Mari. What is the White House saying about the government shutdown? Tiff. Good evening. Yes, the White House is blaming Democrats for the government shutdown, saying that it impacts active duty troops, critical food assistance and flood insurance as we enter hurricane season.

[Adam Curry]

Republicans thought that they could barrel us into a shutdown. They can't barrel us.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can't bully us.

[Adam Curry]

He's an idiot. What is he talking with the barrel? Oh, the Republicans are trying to barrel. They can't barrel us. Ladies and gentlemen, if you take a sixpence, which in Deutsche is. And you go on the bus upstairs.

[Various News Reporters]

The omnibuses, the omnibuses we have put on the table so far will make a real difference. Make no mistake, this is a fight for our future. And this is why we have to massively boost the omniverses. Pure custody omnibuses. But the truth is that the world of today is unforgiving. And it is for all these reasons, companies and consumers alike. And the omnibuses and further omnibuses are on their way. For example, military mobility on the digital. On the digital. They can feel the ground shift beneath them. We simply cannot wait for this storm to pass. The omnibuses. And it is for all these reasons that a new Europe must emerge. An omnibuses.

[John C. Dvorak]

But people will love the slop.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this baby loves the slop. Loves it, eats it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eats the slop. Born the slop. There's no stopping it. Eats the slop. They're AI pigs. They want more slop born A slope needs to stop. Oh, this baby loves the slop. Give me slop. I love it. I'm a pig, give it to me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this baby loves to slop.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're like pigs. We're like pigs.

[Adam Curry]

We're like pigs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me swap, Let me swap.

[Adam Curry]

Let me swap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meets the slap.

[Adam Curry]

Meets the slap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eats the slap.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org na this show gets better with age.

[Various News Reporters]

Like the hosts.