1808 - "Bad Fad"

Summary

No Agenda Show - Episode 1808 "Bad Fad"

Date: October 16, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Overview

In this episode of the No Agenda Show, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dive into current events and media narratives with their signature deconstruction—discussing the illusion of recycling, AI and copyright theft, ICE tensions, the rise of ‘no Kings’ protests, ChatGPT’s move into erotica, protein health fads, the continued polarization of American politics, and much more. The hosts blend first-hand anecdotes, critical analysis, and sharp wit, making for an engaging exploration of how media influences public perception and behavior.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Recycling Illusion & Local Government Quirks

[00:22 – 03:07]

• John opens with a story about garbage collectors in California replacing green cans with identical new ones, questioning the logic and expense.

  "They're taking the old ones, which are fairly new anyway, and they're replacing it with new one. It's the same can." — John [01:10]

• Adam attributes this to government waste and possibly unnecessary regulation.
• Cultural divide: Texas vs. California on recycling commitment.

2. Austin Dispatches: From Bankers to Hairdressers & Progressive Intolerance

[03:12 – 07:40]

• Adam shares a recent visit to Austin, meeting a former New York banker now focused on AI investments—how "Quantum" has overtaken AI as the hot investor buzzword.

  “What's the buzzword? Can you guess?” “Quantum.” — Adam & John [04:48]

• Anecdote: Art nonprofits preparing for ICE raids with “ICE training.”
• Adam’s Syrian-American hairstylist faces social exclusion for perceived political leanings.

  “They said, you know, we have a feeling you're turning maga.” — Adam's hairdresser story [07:20]

3. ICE, Media Fearmongering & Escalating Polarization

[07:50 – 12:09]

• Deconstruction of mainstream and social media amplifying fears over ICE, leading to potential civil unrest.

  "We're prime for some kind of incident to take place that's going to set a lot of people off..." — Adam [07:50]

• Clip of news reports depicting ICE as violently cracking down in cities like Chicago and resulting community anger.
• Discussion of grassroots “no Kings” protests backed by big-money donors and Democratic-aligned organizations.

  "I don't feel good about it. My spidey sense is telling me no good." — Adam [12:09]

4. John Fetterman as Archetypal Democrat

[12:09 – 14:54]

• Play and analyze a Fetterman speech advocating for political civility and the end of extreme labeling (i.e., “Nazi” rhetoric).

  "I refuse to call people Nazis or fascists..." — John Fetterman [12:32]

• Reflection on the changing face of the Democratic Party and public communication post-stroke.

5. Tucker Carlson, AI, and the OpenAI "Murder" Conspiracy

[15:43 – 36:29]

• Extended review of Tucker Carlson’s interview with Sam Altman about the alleged suicide/murder of an OpenAI programmer.

  “He had a lot of documentation apparently about basically copyright theft.” — Adam [21:05]

• Philosophical and legal tangents on AI’s copyright scraping, archive.org lawsuits, and Silicon Valley’s ‘social contract’ excuse.

Memorable Quote:

"With respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract of that content since the '90s has been that it is fair use... that has been freeware, if you like." — Mustafa Suleyman (quoted by Adam) [21:30]

• John critiques this rationale and the broader ethical blindness in tech.

6. ChatGPT Goes NSFW & The Video vs. Audio Podcast Debate

[40:48 – 47:35]

• Announcement: ChatGPT to allow verified adults to access erotica-generating features, under “treat adults like adults.”

  “[Altman:] We'll allow even more like erotica for verified adults.” — Read by Adam [43:16]

• Listener feedback on the value of video podcasts and hosts’ preference for audio, examining the cognitive shifts in “short form” media and tech-driven attention decay.

7. AI Copyright, Algorithmic Addiction, and the Doomscroll Society

[47:35 – 51:31]

• Meta’s own antitrust court filings disclose that >80–90% of FB/IG usage is now watching random, short-form AI-curated videos rather than social updates.
• Reflection on the consequences: “A society that forgets how to think in paragraphs and learns instead to think in scenes.” — Adam quoting Neil Postman [47:45]

8. Walmart, OpenAI, and the Commercial AI Boon/Danger

[58:13 – 62:10]

• Discuss the Walmart-ChatGPT partnership, with Walmart sharing unprecedented levels of shopper data with an AI platform, paralleling earlier tech-business “blind spots.”
• Adam & John reminisce about seeing untapped value in now-vaunted digital rights and databases.

9. Middle East Peace, Trump's Transparency, and International Diplomatic Blame Games

[62:28 – 75:37]

• Trump’s surprisingly candid comments on support from Israeli billionaires and the politics of US-Israel relations.
• Diplomatic posturing: The UK’s claim of “behind the scenes” influence on Middle East peace, others taking credit/blame-shifting (France/UK/NYT).
• Ongoing instability in Gaza: Power struggles, ceasefires, and the challenge of maintaining control in post-conflict zones.

  “Egypt says it's training about 5,000 new Palestinian policemen for Gaza.” — Adam [76:34]

10. TikTok Resistance, Sora, and Meme Propaganda

[81:55 – 84:39]

• Satirical and earnest reactions to political events, especially on platforms like TikTok.

  “No, I will not be acknowledging or giving any type of credit to Donald Trump and his administration...” — TikTok clip [82:03]

• Technological advances like Sora (deepfakes, AI voices) set to upend media trust even further.

11. AI, Audio Deconstruction, and Podcasting’s Enduring Value

[55:05 – 57:55]

• Adam and John defend audio-only podcasting as superior for critical listening and comprehension, referencing how visual cues can distract from the essence of content (“magician act”).

12. Protein Powders: Bad Fad or Health Hazard?

[117:03 – 126:27]

• A new Consumer Reports investigation finds most protein powders, especially plant-based, are contaminated with lead—sometimes 10x over recommended limits.

  “…for more than two thirds of the products that we analyzed, a single serving of them contained more lead than what our food safety experts say is safe to consume in a day.” — NPR/Consumer Reports [119:58]

• Satirical speculation that protein fad may partially explain a lot of “crazy” online behavior.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Podcasting & Cognition:
  “When everything turns into television, every form of communication starts to adopt television’s values—immediacy, emotion, spectacle and brevity... A society that forgets how to think in paragraphs and learns instead to think in scenes.” — Adam [47:45]

• On Recurring Culture Wars:
  “We're calling them nuts and they're calling us nuts, and I think we're prime now... for some kind of incident to take place...” — Adam [07:50]

• On Silicon Valley Social Contracts:
  “With respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract... has been that it is fair use.” — Mustafa Suleyman via Adam [21:30]

• On AI Hype:
  “…now this model understands how the fold protein work. I’m like oh, okay. Wow. He wants some more coffee. But then he says, these guys, most of them really don't have anything, but they have one thing. They have a buzzword...” — Adam [04:11]

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Key Timestamps

• 00:22 – Recycling & government waste
• 03:12 – Austin visit, quantum AI investments
• 05:59 – ICE training at nonprofits
• 07:20 – Hairdresser shunned for “turning MAGA”
• 08:54 – News: escalation of ICE enforcement/protests
• 12:09 – John Fetterman’s civility speech
• 15:43 – 36:29 – Tucker Carlson vs. Sam Altman (OpenAI murder/suicide debate)
• 40:48 – ChatGPT to allow erotica
• 47:35 – Meta: short-form video now dominates social apps
• 58:13 – Walmart shares customer data with ChatGPT
• 62:28 – Trump candor on Israel/lobbyists
• 76:34 – Post-Gaza ceasefire brinksmanship
• 81:55 – TikTok, Sora, and protest memes
• 117:03 – The “bad fad” protein powder health scare

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Additional Segments

• Listener Mail: Hostile (and playful) pushback on video podcast resistance; exploration of why audio is richer for analysis.
• Meetup Reports: Vibrant Texas meetups; strong community interaction.
• John’s Tip of the Day: Classic cinema pick—“The Manchurian Candidate” for political/media literacy. [185:23]

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Tone & Style Observations

• Sharp, irreverent, skeptical, yet grounded in personal anecdotes and first-hand media literacy.
• Frequent digressions and self-aware meta-commentary (e.g., “I’m weaving, baby!”).
• Assorted voices and clips for media analysis and comic relief.
• The show’s “value for value” message and anti-corporate-ad stance are reinforced throughout.

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Conclusion

Episode 1808 of No Agenda is as packed as ever—deconstructing headlines, poking fun at establishment narratives, and continuing the hosts’ campaign for independent, critical thinking in the face of an ever more sensationalized media environment. From garbage cans to Gaza, from TikTok to Tucker, Adam & John leave no thread unexplored and no sacred cow unprodded.

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Memorable Quote for the Ages

“When everything turns into television... the results? A society that forgets how to think in paragraphs and learns instead to think in scenes.” — Adam, citing Postman [47:45]

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[End of Episode Summary]

Transcript

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the same can. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

It's Thursday, October 16, 2025. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1808.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

This is no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Reporting from the front lines and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country in FEMA region, number six in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from northern Silicon Valley where we're all saying the same thing. Recycling is a scam. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in the well. Yeah. Hello 2000. Recycling's a scam. We've known this for 20 years longer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not so much in California.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no, you guys are all in still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obviously some watch I'm not looking at. Garbage guys go by today on Thursday, and they're replacing all the green cans for recycle, not for recycling, but for green, you know, trimmings and stuff. You put in the green can?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're taking a green can and replacing it with exactly the same green can.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that seems like your tax dollars at work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's the garbage dollars at work all up and down the street. It's the exact same can. They're taking the old ones, which are fairly new anyway, and they're replacing it with new one. It's the same can.

[Adam Curry]

But that's what I'm saying. Now, isn't that Citi, who does that for you? Or do you pay your garbage guys separately?

[John C. Dvorak]

The garbage guys are separate.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't have Citi's garb. No, this is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then you should pull them aside and have a little chat with them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was going to go down there, but you know, we're doing the show prep. I was, I was going to ask him, what the hell, what are you doing here?

[Adam Curry]

But then I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you changing it? Swapping out a perfectly good can with another exactly the same can?

[Adam Curry]

Because. Because that way it'll be reflected on your bill at the end of the month. That's obvious. Or at the end of the quarter. What do you pay for garbage?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

You don't know?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Mimi pays it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I think we pay. I think we pay 30 bucks a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds similar.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good guys though, because if I forget to put the garbage can out, I can just text them like, pick it up later, I'll come back, come back later, pick it up on my way, on my way home. Or if I say, you know, I got some junk here. Yeah, okay. Wouldn't you want me to pick it up. That's the kind of garbage guys I like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, our garbage guys do the same thing, but I'm just not getting where they. Why they. They keep swapping out perfectly good cans for the exact same can.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it could be some kind of environmental regulation they have to adhere to.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same can.

[Adam Curry]

Gotcha. It's the same can. You're irked. I got it. Well, I think you should have taken time. I would gladly start the show later just to hear you argued with the garbage guys replacing the old cans with new cans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe I'll give him a call.

[Adam Curry]

You should feel free. That license should always be free and open to you to do that. Just let me know. So I went to the front lines yesterday, the front line being Austin, Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you went to Austin? Why? To get your hair done again?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, to get my hair done. But I also had a coffee with the former New York banker who I have not spoken to in quite a while, and I've got some updates.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you ask him how's Goldman Sachs is doing?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, crap, I forgot about that. Yeah, when's Goldman going belly up? Oh, man, I can't believe I forgot that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Years ago. He's still waiting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, did you short Goldman? Is that. No, I'm glad you didn't. So, you know, these days he's all into AI investments, looking at different investments, and in particular, he's looking at financial AI investments. And I don't know if he actually invests in anything. He kind of looks like a hippie these days.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

He's.

[Adam Curry]

He kind of. You know, he's got Jesus sandals on. He's unshaven, his hair's long in the back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it sounds like an investor to me.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. It's like one of those. Well, I'm a cool investor, you see, I'm a cool guy. And so he's talking. He's talking about, now this model understands how the fold protein work. I'm like, oh, okay. Wow. He wants some more coffee. But then he says, these guys, most of them really don't have anything, but they have one thing. They have a buzzword. And of course I said, what's the buzzword? Can you guess what the buzzword is?

[John C. Dvorak]

Quantum.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. You nailed it. You nailed it. Quantum. He says, but they're not using quantum computers. They're doing quantum calculations with supercomputers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, yeah, right, right. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Adam Curry]

But then. And this kind of folds into the talk with my hair lady. So he is. Let me see if I can say this without Revealing his identity. He does a lot for nonprofits and art stuff. Let's leave it at art stuff. And so he's helping one of these art stuff things with their finances. I think a secretary or something. Yes. He's a Democrat, but he's not an idiot. Obviously, he still wants to talk to me. I'm sure he's getting as much information from me as I am from him. And he says that these people were all in a tizzy because they were trying to schedule their ICE training.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is that supposed to mean?

[Adam Curry]

Literally training for what to do when ICE comes. To take away their brown people, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take away the paintings?

[Adam Curry]

No, but think about it. This is how insane it's gotten in Austin. They're training at art institutions just in case ICE comes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's the ludicrous part.

[Adam Curry]

To take away their brown people. Yeah, but this was only accentuated. So I'm sitting there with my hair lady and we're catching up. I love listening to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she's the one telling you about this.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, this. That was the New York. The former New York banker who told me about the ICE training.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay. So you're with the hair lady now?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, so I'm with the hair lady. And, you know, we talk. We do our usual, like, TV shows. What are you watching? You know, chit. Chatting about the dogs and stuff. I say, and she's from Syrian descent. I say, how about this? What's wrong? No, we can't talk politics to politics. This. Have you seen what's happening? This is your homeland. There's, like. There's. This shifts major. Shh. I got. Got pulled aside the other day. So what happened? Well, you know, it was. To be honest, I also said that I had watched the Charlie Kirk Memorial, and I got pulled aside, and they said, you know, because she rents a chair, you know, that's what you do. Yeah. She says, well, you know, we're not so sure that you're right for us because we have a feeling you're turning maga. I mean, this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're turning maga.

[Adam Curry]

You're turning maga, so get out. I mean, you combine that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get out of what? Get away from our generalized acceptance of all people. Because we're so liberal, we're so progressive. We accept everybody, so get out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but you see, this is the problem is because, of course, we're laughing about this and we're calling them nuts and they're calling us nuts, and I think we're prime now. We're prime in the United States in one of these cities, not Austin, probably Chicago. We're prime for some kind of incident to take place that's going to set a lot of people off and it's going to be messy because if you listen to the, the insane pushback because people have been so propagandized about ICE. Well, ICE is putting 6 year olds in zip ties, arresting people naked, kidnapping, kidnapping, kidnapp. And but I'm hearing this from all over my liberal friendsscape.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what they've been told.

[Adam Curry]

They have been told this and they completely believe it based upon TikTok videos and Instagram reels and I guess stuff on X, I don't know. I haven't been on Blue sky in a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody knows.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it's, you're laughing but it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S really, it's, I am laughing and I will continue to last.

[Adam Curry]

It's getting out of hand tonight.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Tensions rising as the Trump administration sweeping immigration crackdown and expands in the last 24 hours. Federal agents clashing with residents in Chicago as some protesters threw objects. Federal agents deployed tear gas on crowds angry about the latest arrest that ended with a crash in their neighborhood. Illinois governor who's repeatedly said he did not ask for federal help accusing immigration agents of using strong arm tactics.

[Adam Curry]

They're the ones who are tossing tear gas.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

When people are peacefully protesting.

[Adam Curry]

They need to back off.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Homeland Security officials say it all began with agents chasing an undocumented migrant who they say had rammed a border patrol vehicle. Agents then crashing into the vehicle to stop it. New video shows that the chase then spilling over into a Walgreens where 19 year old Warren King says he was shopping. He says when he tried to leave the store he was tackled.

[Adam Curry]

He's a citizen. He's a citizen.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You don't know what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

So get the back.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was just saying why, why you running? I'm telling him I'm a US Citizen, I'm here, I'm legal, I'm born. So they didn't, they didn't try to hear none of that though.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Community leaders today blasting federal agents.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Not only undocumented people are being targeted, but also people of color are being racially profiled by these unjust actions.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And today the Chicago woman who was shot by federal agents after allegedly ramming her car into their vehicle today pleading not guilty to assault. Marmara Martinez, seen in this video. In the moments leading up to that alleged ramming, prosecutors say she was part of a convoy tailing those agents. David, in a sign of increasing Tensions. LA officials are declaring a state of emergency, saying they will offer undocumented migrants financial and legal support as this deportation campaign expands.

[Adam Curry]

Now, I got it handed to them. I mean, for all their beliefs, they are completely all in. And like ICE are Nazis. Ice. They're criminal themselves. There's no background checks. These people are crooks. They're no good. They take great pleasure in hunting people down. And so what are they doing? They're using their cars, they're using all kinds of things to get in the way of what ICE is doing. And it's going to turn ugly. It's so. Have we not been preconditioned for this with that stupid movie Civil War? I mean, it seems like all of this is just happening and now it's only in select cities near you, but, man, this is a tinderbox. And now we're going to have that no Kings after it didn't work last time, I'm going to try no Kings again on. What is it, Saturday?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This coming Saturday.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I tuned into their.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened to Blackout, by the way? Well, no Blackout supposed to shut the country down. Wasn't there supposed to be something else coming up, too that was supposed to shut the country down? They crapped out.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think no Kings is the. Is supposed to be the big one. And I tuned into their live webcast. They got a pastor, they got all kinds of very big organizations now behind this Democracy Forward. Who have they got a lot of money?

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the Walmart heirs that's putting a lot of money behind this. People should take note.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So I don't know. I don't feel good about it. My spidey sense is telling me no good. And then of course, we have the worst. The worst Democrat ever. The worst one is John Fetterman. I'm the only Democrat in my family. I grew up in a conservative part of Pennsylvania and I grew up and I, I knew, I know. And I love people that voted for President Trump, but they are not fascists, they're not Nazis, they're not trying to destroy the Constitution, those things. And that's part of another thing. I refuse to call people Nazis or fascists. I would never compare anybody, anybody to Hitler in those things. And now that kinds of extreme rhetoric is going to continue, we're going to be more likely in resulting in extreme kind of outcomes and political violence and doing all these kinds of things. Like Charlie Kirk, for me, all I could say is like, let people grieve, give people the space. I'm not going to Use that terrible thing and that passive assassination to make my argument and try to put out my views. It's like, my God, you know, he's a father that had his neck blown out by a bullet. And now people have forgotten. President Trump was in my state, was shot in the head. And if that would have. Could you imagine where our nation would be if he was hit in the same way with Kirk? We really got to turn the temperature down and we can agree to disagree on these kinds of things, but right now, shutting down the government, I just can't take it that, by the way, he wasn't eating Doritos. That was his stupid hoodie rubbing up against the microphone. But, wow, he needs a bodyguard. He's got to be careful with that crazy talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm so atypical Democrat.

[Adam Curry]

I'm so. Well, that's what an old Democrat used to be. I'm so amazed by this guy. You know, we thought he was a moron and all of his speech issues are all gone. And it's like, yeah, some people recover from strokes properly. He did.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unusual, but it does happen often.

[Adam Curry]

But it's kind of telling. When he had the stroke and he talked like an idiot, it's like, oh, yeah, he's our guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's when the Democrats liked him. Now that he's normal, they don't like him so much.

[Adam Curry]

That's my point. That's my point. So, yeah, this is interesting. We'll see. It's just, you know, false flags. Be easy to kick something off. What's a few people to take down the orange man because, you know, you're turning maga.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I feel bad about your hairdresser.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, me too. She loves that place. She doesn't want to leave there, but she can't. And funny enough, she says it's mainly because of conversations I have with you and the former New York banker, because he goes there as well. So she's having conversations with probably a conservative. More conservative liberal, and I guess I'm conservative Christian. Woo. That's probably the problem right there. And now she's a. You're turning maga. Your conversations are not appropriate for the workplace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just stabbed her.

[Adam Curry]

That's not a very nice thing to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. But talking about nice things to say. When you started off talking about AI or not AI, but yeah, AI.

[Adam Curry]

I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

It brought me early. It brought me to these clips. Did you hear Tucker?

[Adam Curry]

And I didn't say anything about AI. What I say about AI. You're just making it up to get to your clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you did. You talked about the banker investing in AI.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, oh, that. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Quantum.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I was talking about Quantum, man. I'm ahead of AI. I'm already where. I'm. I'm skating where the puck is going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you hear Tucker with. With our. With the guy? They had a chatgpt or Altman.

[Adam Curry]

This came out a couple weeks ago, didn't it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know when it came out.

[Adam Curry]

But a few weeks ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm surprised he hasn't been sued over this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the murder stuff. Yeah, yeah, that. That's it. I'm. I'm glad you got these clips because I didn't get them time like. Yeah, I thought you'd probably be annoyed by them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why would I be annoyed? Because I always like to document slander because it's AI.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I thought you wouldn't like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like AI.

[Adam Curry]

All right, well, let's do these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because let me set it up. What happened was Tucker had his Altman's mom. Not his mom, but Altman's. The guy who died into Altman's company.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she was on Tucker months ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she was on Tucker and she accused Altman of setting up a hit. I don't believe that's true, but it was a pretty good triggering mechanism for Tucker to accuse him of murder.

[Adam Curry]

In so many words, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

In so many words. Yeah. Okay, he didn't. And he backs off every time. No, I'm not accusing you of anything.

[Adam Curry]

However, he did die and he said you do did it. There was a note and a candlestick in the other room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's no note. That's one of the keys.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's always a bad. A bad sign.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bad sign of it being a suicide because I guess, I don't know, as do 100% of the people that commit suicide leave a going away note. I don't know a lot. They seem to claim that. So I broke it up into four segments and I thought it was actionable and.

[Adam Curry]

Well, hold on a second. You thought it was actionable When I said that your son in law was a deadbeat, I mean, there's actionable and actionable. I had to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think that was actionable.

[Adam Curry]

I had to place a retraction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you did.

[Adam Curry]

I wasn't getting sued for something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tucker does a kind of an on the fly retraction. He plays a game. Yeah, he Plays a game. He never laughed during the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm surprised Altman did the interview. What was the point? Are people that hard up for attention that they. Especially a guy like Altman, that they go on Tucker after knowing that this is going to happen?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that Altman is so detached from reality that if someone says, hey, man, there's a movement against you, that he'll say, okay, I'll take care of it. I'll. I'll do an interview with Chuck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or.

[Adam Curry]

That could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

That could be.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Even though there was this. Had no legs until he did the interview, as far as I'm concerned.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree. Here we go. So you've had.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You had complaints from one programmer who said you guys were basically stealing people's stuff and not paying them, and then he wound up murdered. What was that? Also a great tragedy. He committed suicide. Do you think he committed suicide? I really do. Have you looked? This was like a friend of mine. This is like a guy that. And not a close friend, but this is someone that worked at OpenAI for a very long time. I spent. I mean, I was really shaken by this tragedy. I spent a lot of time trying to, you know, read everything I could, as I'm sure you and others did, too, about what happened. It looks like a suicide to me. Why does it look like a suicide? It was a gun he had purchased. It was the. This is, like, gruesome to talk about, but I read the whole, like, medical record. Does it not look like one to you? No, he was definitely murdered. I think there were signs of a struggle. Of course, the surveillance camera, the wires had been cut. He just ordered take out food, come back from a vacation with his friends on Catalina Island. No indication at all that he was suicidal. No note and no behavior. He had just spoken to a family member on the phone, and then he's found dead with blood in multiple rooms. So that's impossible. Seems really obvious. He was murdered. Have you talked to the authorities about it? I've not talked to the authorities about it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so this. Now I remember what bothered me about the interview. First of all, I think this is, if I recall correctly, the only time you mention what the accusation was was right at the very beginning. And that's the most interesting piece. I'm sorry for this guy and his family, but you're stealing stuff and not paying for it. That's. That's the big one right there. And then he goes on to say, you know, I spent a lot of time reading about this. You have a chat GPT. You got chat GPT 7.0. Wouldn't you just let your AI tell you what's going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's funny.

[Adam Curry]

Just a thought.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stealing. Yeah, this is the guy and he had documentation.

[Adam Curry]

He had a lot of documentation apparently about basically copyright theft.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I mean, all the AI companies are doing copyright theft, but it depends on what your definition of copyright theft is and how it's interpreted and how fair use comes into play and how much has been regurgitated.

[Adam Curry]

Well, do we need to remind ourselves of the Microsoft guy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you remind us?

[Adam Curry]

It was. Here he goes. The AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman. With respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract of that content since the 90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been freeware, if you like. That's been the understanding. There's a separate category where a website or a publisher or news organization had explicitly said, do not scrape or crawl me for any other reason than indexing me so that other people can find that content. That's a gray area and I think.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

That'S going to work its way through the courts.

[Adam Curry]

So just a quick side note, it's not a gray area. It's called Creative Commons. I sued in court over it and was the first one to win a copyright lawsuit using Creative Commons. And all our stuff has Creative Commons in it, so. No, but that's the general thinking in Silicon Valley. It's a contrast social contract.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, his whole logic is wrong, including the copyright, fair use thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just because you posted the way the copyright laws were rewritten some years ago, but then I think the era of the show, they were rewritten in such a way that you only had to put a copyright notice on anything.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, is that. Yeah, automatically copyright, you write it, it's yours. Done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

We used to think you had to send it to yourself in a sealed envelope.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that or you had to send it to the Library of Congress to register it. You had to put the copyright notice. No, none of that's true. And so. But if you're going to scrape everything, I mean, Google, for example, way before AI, they were taking. Stealing entire web pages and putting them on their search database. And so the entire web was basically had. Google had a copy of it and they would search that for your search results and then there would be excerpts. And in the early days you could actually go and take a look at their cash.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

The cash, which is a copy of.

[Adam Curry]

They don't have that anymore. They don't have the cash on Google.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I'm always looking for it once in a while. I don't know what the status of the cash is anymore. But it's not like it used to be.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, the guy who's actually a nonprofit and is trying to do this for good with archive.org is getting sued. The kingdom come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's being sued left and right, including being sued over his collection of 78s. Right now archive.org has a. Probably the biggest collection of 78 recordings, which are always. Which is kind of all passed into the public domain and for all kinds of different reasons because the copy written material was always used to have a thing in the 30s where the songs, the songs could be played on the radio, but they were protected by a performance type. It was like instead of at copyright, it would be at performance. And there were performance rights that were, that were owned by the record labels. And that's what these records constituted, were performances.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's just a, it's a very gray area. And for years it's always been assumed that these old 78s from the 20s and 30s were all. You could play them without having to worry about anything. And so he made a huge collection of them in somebody's, you know, some record company's got some hair up there.

[Adam Curry]

This is valuable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's not valuable. It's a joke. This is valuable. I mean, I love these old 78s, especially during the era, the dance band and jazz era of the early 30s. And when you go on archive.org because you know of a song and you go to pick it up and novelty songs were also quite popular. You go there and you look at it and it's got, you know, a Bing crosby song from 1932 and it's. And you look at it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a toe tapper.

[John C. Dvorak]

It would usually be a toe tapper. And you would look at it and it would say played twice.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, because when you played it, it would degrade the quality of the disc. Certainly those.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, I'm not. No, I'm talking about being played on.

[Adam Curry]

Archive.Org oh, oh, huge copyright violation. Two people listen to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, two people. Two people downloaded and it was you.

[Adam Curry]

You doing a browser refresh, basically.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was probably me both times. And so no, many of these have been cleaned up by experts and they're. Some of them are remarkably nice. I mean they, you can play them. One the real collectors I knew a couple of collectors. George Morrow have micro of the Morrow microcomputer was a collector of 78s. Jim Watt, a very famous DJ in the Bay Area, was a collector of 78s. And I knew these guys, and they would normally try to find pristine 78s that they'd find here and there, and they'd never play them except once.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's like my Prince picture disc. I won't play that either.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, because it does degrade because of the needle. Yeah. And. But once it's put into a digital form, then you can start messing with it and fixing it and making it sound even better. But the point is, is that nobody's listening to this stuff, but he's getting sued over it anyway.

[Adam Curry]

All right, back to the death case, part two.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And his mother claims he was murdered on your orders. Do you believe that? I'm asking. I mean, you just said it, so.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second, hold on a second. I just realized, looking at the troll room, there is an entire generation that went over their head. So 78s, they're small records. No, no, people don't know about 33 and a third RPM. 45 RPM. 78 RPM. Yeah. Yeah, we just. We just wait until we hit the troll room count. We just lost the half of the audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are they talking about? 78. I don't get it. Meanwhile, the guy's getting sued, and his.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Mother claims he was murdered on your orders. Do you believe that? Well, I'm asking. I mean, you just said it. So do you believe that? I think that it is worth looking into, and I don't. I mean, if a guy comes out and accuses your company of committing crimes, I have no idea if that's true or not, of course. And then is found killed and there are signs of a struggle, I don't think it's worth dismissing it. I don't think we should say, well, he killed himself when there's no evidence that the guy was depressed at all. I think if he was your friend, I would think he would want to speak to his mom or I did offer. She didn't want to.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Do you feel that, you know, when people look at that and they're like, you know, it's possible that happened, do you feel that that reflects the worries they have about what's happening here? Like, people are afraid that this is like, I've done too many interviews where I've been accused of, like. I'm not accusing you at all. I'm just saying his mother says that I Don't think a fair read of the evidence suggests suicide at all. I just don't see that at all. And I also don't understand why the authorities, when there are signs of a struggle and blood in two rooms on a suicide, like, how does that actually happen? I don't understand how the authorities could just kind of dismiss that as a suicide. I think it's weird.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is how Tucker makes two hour long interviews. Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I have to. My thinking on this is that a guy who steals a bunch of documents from a company he's working for, which is somewhat larcenous, even though it's to prove a crime, is probably getting himself into trouble in other areas just by his nature, which I think could account for is. And it probably was murdered, but not necessarily by Altman's people.

[Adam Curry]

Because Allman, no, you never want it tied back to you. He gets one of those.

[John C. Dvorak]

But why would you even care? It's just like you're so cavalier anyway about stealing copyrighted material. And you heard the guy from Microsoft that it's like, okay, well, yeah, okay, he proved that we took some copyrighted material.

[Adam Curry]

They could have. They could have discredited him, called him a thief, a liar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's a lot of ways, a.

[Adam Curry]

Lot of things he could have done. But that's not Tucker style, man. We got to go for. I think you killed him. I think you had him killed. I think you had him killed.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You understand this sounds like an accusation.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And I, I mean, I certainly. Let me just be clear once again, not accusing you of any wrongdoing, but I think it's worth finding out what happened. And I don't understand why the city of San Francisco has refused to investigate it beyond just calling it a suicide. I mean, I think they looked into it a couple of times, more than once, as I understand it. I saw that. And I will totally say when I first heard about this, it sounded very suspicious. Yes, yes, yes. And I know you had been involved in Was mother asked out to the case and I, you know, I don't know anything about it. It's not my world. She just reached out cold. She reached out cold. Wow. And wow. And I spoke to her at great length and it. And it scared the crap out of me. The kid was clearly killed by somebody. That was my conclusion, objectively. With no skin in the game. And you, after reading the latest report. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop it, stop it. Because I didn't catch this the first time. Why would it scare the crap out of him?

[Adam Curry]

That's a good question. Borderline great question. But it's a good question. I don't know why it would scare the crap out of him, but I think that Tucker just does that for effect. You know, he's so shocked. He's shocked by everything.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Shocking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that could be. Scared the crap out of me.

[Adam Curry]

He's Tucker. It's shocking. Look, I'm never getting invited on his podcast, so I might as well just stay weird.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

She reached out cold. Wow. And. And I spoke to her at great length, and it. And it scared the crap out of me. The kid was clearly killed by somebody. That was my conclusion. Objectively. With no skin in the game. And you, after reading the latest report. Yes. Like, look. And I immediately called a member of Congress from California, Ro Khanna, and said, this is crazy. You got to look into this and nothing ever happened.

[Adam Curry]

Do you do that, John? Do you immediately call your.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're a member of Congress and nothing ever happens? The same thing. I'm on the same league.

[Adam Curry]

But I like how I immediately called a member of Congress, like, let me get on the speed dial. Let me call Ro Khanna.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And I'm like, what is that again? I think this is. I feel strange and sad debating this and having to be totally crazy, and you are a little bit accusing me, but this was like a wonderful person and a family that is clearly struggling. Yes. And I think you can totally take the point that you're just trying to get to the truth of what happened, and I respect that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Silicon Valley.

[Adam Curry]

How many times have we heard people talk like this? Yes. Basically saying, f you, Tucker. That's Silicon Valley speak from. I can totally see the point that you're coming at, and I totally respect that. Which is Silicon Valley talk for f off.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I think his memory and his family.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Deserve to be treated with a level of respect and grief that I don't quite feel here. I'm asking at the behest of his family, so I'm definitely showing them respect.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes. I'm here representing the family and Ro.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Khanna, and I'm not accusing you of any involvement in this at all. What I am saying is that the evidence does not suggest suicide. And for the authorities in your city to allied past that and ignore the evidence that any reasonable person would say adds up to a murder, I think is very weird, and it shakes the faith that one has in our system's ability to respond to the facts.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so Tucker's going after conspiracy here because he believes that the city of San Francisco is in on it and doesn't want to rock the boat with a big Silicon Valley company. And that's where he's coming from.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess that's what he's trying to prove. But is OpenAI even in San Francisco or is that. That wasn't on the peninsula.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. The peninsula. What is the peninsula?

[John C. Dvorak]

The peninsula is where everything is. It's not in San Francisco, per se.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's San Mateo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, San Mateo. You just look it up?

[Adam Curry]

No, I used to go there all the time to visit a holes like this. Sorry, Raylane, you were.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, most of it's down further than San Mateo. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Sandhill Road, baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You got Palo Alto pretty much the center.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, all right, so let's wrap it up with this guy, you know, but this was still baffling to me why Tucker did this at all. Like the white knight is or trying to embarrass this guy.

[Adam Curry]

How about this? He is committed to creating X amount of content for his advertisers. He has to, you know, and content is inventory and he's always looking for something to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about that?

[Adam Curry]

Is that, is that a crazy thought? I mean, he had Alex Jones on the other day for two and a half hours. He's. He's desperate for content and, and he likes talking to people and most of the time it's entertaining. This I didn't think was one of them, but I understand where you're coming from with these clips and I'm glad you got them.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

So what I was going to say is after the first set of information that came out, I was really like, man, this doesn't look like a suicide. I'm confused. This looks like. Okay, okay, so I'm not reaching, I'm not being crazy here. Well, but then after the second thing came out and the more detail, I was like, okay, what changed your mind? The second report on the way the bullet entered him and the sort of person who had like, followed the sort of likely path of things through the room. I assume you looked at this too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I did.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And what about that didn't change your mind? It just didn't make any sense to me. Why would the security camera virus be cut? And how did cover up he wind up bleeding in two rooms after shooting himself? And why was there a wig in the room that wasn't his? And has there ever been a suicide where there's no indication at all that the person was suicidal who just ordered takeout food?

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Could this Be a trans thing going on here. What kind of wig. What was this with the wig? The wig is interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Throws the wig in at the last second there. Which he could have done at the beginning when he had his little laundry list. Yes, and the wig, that wasn't his.

[Adam Curry]

This is Tucker doing T.C. owen. You know, this is true crime. True crime, really? Hey, Tucker, True crime really gets ratings, man. Oh, okay. Well, then I'll have the family on. I'll abuse them, and then I'll go and I'll get an interview with Altman, and then I'll pin it on him, and it'll be true crime. And we'll get lots of clicks.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, you might. As glib as you are about that commentary right there, you might be onto something.

[Adam Curry]

I listen to Tucker's podcast, and it's interrupted frequently by ads. It's very annoying. You know, most. Most podcasts, aren't they just. They're talking like. So you don't think that this was. Gold is. Way to go, everybody. Have you seen the price of gold? It's over $4,000. No, instead, you just chop right in the middle. It's like, well, you know, I'm eating these fantastic ships. You know what they're made with? They're made with. With tallow. Beef tallow and potato. And I have a garage full. They're great. Followed by. There's a new kind of dog food. It's not farmer's dog. No, I. I got the competition here. These guys are better than dog. Do you like nicotine? I love nicotine. I love these pouches. It's good for you. Nicotine is healthy. It's good, and I use it all the time. Can you tell?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I mean, who. Who orders doordash and then shoots himself? I mean, maybe. I've covered a lot of crimes as a police reporter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, people don't like it when we slam other podcasters, Just so you know, they don't like it. They're like, man, you're shooting inside the tent, man. Don't do that.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I've heard of anything.

[Adam Curry]

Well, wait, yes, yes, it's true. Because I. I started doing this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do media deconstruction.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I try.

[John C. Dvorak]

Consider podcasts part of the media landscape.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just. Yes, I'm in agreement with you. I'm just letting you know, when I started doing that, because people were saying, hey, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you were kind of in that camp early on. I'd say about 15 years ago, when I started doing some slams against certain podcasts. You kind of push back on.

[Adam Curry]

We were building an industry, bro.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Okay, has there ever been a suicide where there's no indication at all that the person was suicidal? Who just ordered takeout food? I mean, who. Who orders doordash and then shoots himself? I mean, maybe. I've covered a lot of crimes as a police reporter. I've never heard of anything like that. So. No, it. I was even more confused. This is where it gets into, I think a little bit painful, just not the level of respect I'd hope to show to someone with this kind of mentality.

[Adam Curry]

I get it.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I totally get it. People do commit suicide without notes. A lot like that happens, for sure. People definitely order food they like before they commit suicide. Like, this is an incredible tragedy. And that's his family's view, and they think it was a murder. And that's why I'm asking the question. If I were his family, I am sure I would want answers, and I'm sure I would not be satisfied with really any. I mean, there's nothing that would comfort me in that, you know? Right. Like, so I get it. Right. I also care a lot about respect to him.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. All right. Your conclusion, your takeaway from this series.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty much is your conclusion, which is. Tucker's just filling his air. But. But I think he's opening himself up for some action.

[Adam Curry]

Nah. From OpenAI. Nah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe, maybe not. But if I was this guy, if I was Altman, I'd sue him.

[Adam Curry]

Nah.

[John C. Dvorak]

For innuendo. He makes him look like he's got.

[Adam Curry]

Other things to do. Man. Have you been up and following the news?

[John C. Dvorak]

Trillions of dollars, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's not collecting anything. He's spending it well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Have you. I'm sure you've heard the latest.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's enjoying life.

[Adam Curry]

This is the big news. Well, hey, listen. He wakes up every morning, he looks in the mirror, and he's Sam Altman. So I don't know if he's enjoying life. I'm not so sure. But the big news.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got five hookers in the room.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the big news is this.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

ChatGPT will soon be able to write erotica for adults. This update was announced by OpenAI boss Sam Altman, who said users who verified their ages would be able to access a wider range of content. He said OpenAI, the creator of ChatGPT, had previously made the chatbot pretty restrictive and that it was less useful, enjoyable for users with no mental health problems. But new tools meant those restrictions could soon be relaxed. OpenAI was sued earlier this year. By the parents of US teen Adam Rain, who took his own life. The lawsuit showed that Adam had discussed his suicidal thoughts with the chatbot. In a statement given at the time, OpenAI told the BBC it was reviewing the filing. Both in the UK and the US there's concerns about what this update will mean for child safety. Written erotica does not require an age verification in the UK under the Online Safety act, and in the US there's calls for more regulation at all levels. OpenAI did not respond to our request for comment.

[Adam Curry]

That was from the BBC. So this is interesting because as we've identified, it's the only product people actually want and will pay for. Like, yeah, I want a sexy chatbot. Elon led the way with his Annie. Annie. Yeah, Annie. And now Altman's going all in. Here's what he posted on X. We made. We made. Should I do it with Altman? It'd take me forever. Do it like Altman. We made Chat GPT pretty restrictive to make sure we were being careful with mental health issues. We realized this made it less useful and enjoyable to many users who had no mental health problems. Dude, 90% of people have mental health problems. But okay, but given the seriousness of this issue, we wanted to get this right. Now that we have been able to mitigate the serious mental health issues and have new tools, we are going to be able to safely relax the restrictions in most cases. In a few weeks, we plan to put out a new version of ChatGPT. New version coming upgrade that allows people to have a person, allows people to have a personality that behaves more like what people liked about 4:00'.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Clock.

[Adam Curry]

We hope it will be better. If you want your ChatGPT to respond in a very human like way, or use a ton of emoji or act like a friend, ChatGPT should do it, but only if you want it. Not because we are Usage maxing. This is a new term in December.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is it?

[Adam Curry]

Usage maxing. Which I think is code for making it addictive.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess it is. It would make sense in December as.

[Adam Curry]

We roll out age gating more fully and as a part of our treat adult users like adults principle, we'll allow even more like erotica for verified adults.

[John C. Dvorak]

Erotica.

[Adam Curry]

Erotica.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something makes me.

[Adam Curry]

What a charm. Erotic. And this leads me to. Actually, I got a. It was a note from Sir Hoopinsocker and he says, first off, I'm not bothered. Okay. Whenever I know the opening like that, I'm like, okay, oh yeah, that's a giveaway. I'M not bothered by your and John's irritation with video podcasts. Well, hold on. I don't think we're irritated by video podcasts, are we?

[John C. Dvorak]

I watch them all the time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we don't want to do one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's a big difference between being irritated by them and wanting to do one, which is that they're a pain in the ass and they don't really deliver the goods.

[Adam Curry]

Well. Well, hold on a second. Because he says, and I respect your take as the creator, which I'm like, what? It's capital T, capital C. But as a perspective, most of us are visual learners. I can't even listen to audiobooks because my attention wanders after a few minutes and I have to rewind. Whereas even if it's just two dorks sitting across a desk from each other, the visual component keeps me engaged. I listened to almost every no Agenda episode three times, and the only Rogan episode I've watched more than once are the Jordan Peterson episodes. They are idea dense. I learn and remember better with the insipid video element. Now, I replied to him, I said, hey, man, I'm sorry, that sucks that all this video has disabled your learning ability. I didn't even say it like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you meant.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I was nicer than that. And he took offense to it. Of course. I said I didn't mean any offense.

[John C. Dvorak]

You meant offense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the reason why you're an offensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy in a very subtle way.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not. But this leads me to a story from a great substack, which is titled Everything is Terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get back to. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

I'm getting to it. I'm getting to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you going to do a weave? Okay, well, I'm going to go back.

[Adam Curry]

I'm weaving, baby. Yes. We'll come right back to it. So this leads me to a substack that I was reading from Derek Thompson. Everything is television. And he cites and links to a filing by Meta in an antitrust case with the Federal Trade Commission about them being a social media monopoly. And there's a lot of other things happening. Age verification. All the app stores. Because we have an app with Godcaster, all the app stores are now saying, hey, get ready, we're going to have an age verification API. There's all kinds of age verification stuff coming. I'm sure Meta doesn't like it. And here's what they filed Only a small share of time spent on our social networkings platform are truly social networking. That is time spent checking in with friends and family. More than 80% of the time on Facebook and more than 90% of the time on Instagram is spent watching videos. So they literally say today, this is the filing. Only a fraction of time spent on Meta services, 7% on Instagram and 17% on Facebook involves consuming content from online friends. A majority of time spent on both apps is watching videos, increasingly short form videos that are unconnected, that is not from a friend or followed account and recommended by AI powered algorithms. Meta developed as a direct competitive response to TikTok's rise, which stalls meta's growth. And when I read that I'm like, well this explains why we're all becoming idiots. We're just sitting there. Doom. We're not even using Facebook for Facebook anymore is just doom scrolling all day long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, this is. We have a number of our top notch, well known producers that seem to be doing this.

[Adam Curry]

So. Which brings me to a no Agenda classic book, Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Although he was writing about television, it's kind of interesting to go back and look what he wrote. He said each medium, like language itself, makes possible a unique mode of discourse by providing a new orientation for thought, for expression and for sensibility. Television speaks to us in a particular dialect. When everything turns into television, every form of communication starts to adopt television's values. Immediacy, emotion, spectacle and brevity. Now I would say, you know, that's hyperspeed. Now with these short form videos in the glow of a local news program or, or outraged newsfeed, now the viewer bathes in a vat of their own cortisol. When everything is urgent, nothing is truly important. Politics becomes theater. Science becomes storytelling. News becomes performance. The results? A society that forgets how to think in paragraphs and learns instead to think in scenes. And when I read that re read that, I thought podcasting the way we do it is actually fantastic. It's good for you, it's healthy, it trains you to pay attention to something. You can actually do other things like walking outside, gardening. Gardening, yes, thank you. You can do all kinds of watering the lawn, mowing the lawn, you know, just walking while you're listening to a podcast. And yes, your thoughts may wander a bit, but you'll have, you'll be learning something. And it's just, it's a sad state when the whole world. Because look at the, the MAU, the monthly average users and the TAM of all of these social media sites, including X. I'm sure it's just all people scrolling Videos from people they don't even know or care to know. And now with Sora, too, everything is like, oh, I don't even know if that's real. I don't care. My brain's fried. So to Sir Hooping soccer. I think it's a great opportunity to try. Try to just listen to no agenda and how many times people, you're missing the boat. No, all we'd have is people getting little clips. Little clips of us, you know, two old dudes with cans and microphones. Oh, look at those guys. That guy's got a tick. Oh, okay, what did they just say? Oh, outrageous. No, no, I. We can't share. We can't share audio. No, I don't want you to share audio. It's good for you to just sit there and listen to something. Audiobooks are still pretty popular, so luckily they're very popular. Luckily there's a lot of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

You drive your car while listening to them.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you can drive your car while listening to a podcast, of course. Yeah, all this is good. So I. I was just thinking this is good. And then, then the news comes yesterday that Spotify and Netflix have now made a deal where Spotify video podcasts will now be streaming on Netflix. Who wants that? He said famously, okay, clip it, everybody, because maybe this will be a huge success, but I don't see it. So. So these, like all of the Ringer pod podcasts, some of them, I think are just Zoom calls. OK. They're taking them off YouTube because of course, this is about YouTube being the boss. And they're going to now have them streaming on Netflix. I don't know. What do you think?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not going to watch it.

[Adam Curry]

No, I know you're not going to watch it. I was just wondering what you thought.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't care for it, but, you know, if they want to do it, it's more distribution. It's probably good for the. For the podcaster. You want to call it a podcast? Really? A video presentation?

[Adam Curry]

By the way, you have an invitation. I was on the Gold Guns and Goats podcast, which I think comes out tomorrow, and I'm a big fan about Gold Gold, Guns and goats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually, I've been about guns and goats.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

By eating goats.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

What the hell did.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so I've gotten a lot of my education on Stablecoin from them. The North North Sea Nexus stuff. They've been very helpful. What am I hearing? Oh, scam Likely and Tom Luongo, who's been around for a long time. He is a huge John C. Dvorak fan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good for him.

[Adam Curry]

And in fact, he's like, you know, when John started talking about pipelines, I'm like, dude, okay, so it was you, wasn't it? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like to get credited for some of these things.

[Adam Curry]

I. I let you have it. I didn't say anything. I'm like, it's okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You would have sounded like, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, yes, exactly. I see. I'm not defending.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe he set you up to do that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Maybe he's one of those guys who is good at it.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, I said that I would be more than happy to make the introduction and. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'd be glad to do the show. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Because I think you'll. I think you'll really enjoy it. They get really deep in financial stuff and. Yeah, I think you'll enjoy it. So. Okay, I'll make that connection. Tom will be. Will be delighted. Big, big Dvorak fan. Like, why am I even on this podcast? You want John, you don't want me. It was obvious then. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't do the weave. You didn't go back to the point I'm trying to make earlier that you interrupted me, said you're gonna do the weave, and now you're off to something new. Hey, you suck at it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, weave me back.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're no trump.

[Adam Curry]

Weave me back. Weave me back. Where are we going? You don't remember what it was?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I do.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was that guy who's bitching and moaning to you in the letter.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And we went into. Went into the whole. I did the whole thing. I did the whole thing about you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come back to you because I had stuff to say about the letter. That was that point of the weave.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, I got you. I. The weave that I screwed up on the weave with a bad stitch for podcast invite for you. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's. Okay, well, that's fine and dandy. But here's what. Here's the point I was going to make about this guy and his complaints. He said in his letter that he has to listen to the podcast three times. What more do you want? I mean, this is like, if you got to listen three times, that means you're listening three times. That's nine hours of listening. Because our material must be so good that you feel obliged to listen to it three whole times. Are you kidding me? We've had other people say, you guys suck. I had to listen to your podcast three times. It's just. It seems like it's missing the point. The podcast is so good that you can listen to it three times.

[Adam Curry]

I always wonder if people really do that when they say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot of time. It's a whole day. It's a day's work.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, where does he have time to watch video podcasts if he's listening to 18 hours a week of our show?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I agree it's probably bullcrap, but anyway, he did say it.

[Adam Curry]

But my point was.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, another point I was going to make in the weave was that one of the things that we both. You and I both have noticed doing it audio only, is that you become attuned. And I think you proved this really to an extreme probably about six months ago when you played a Gavin Newsom clip where Newsom's wiggling his shoulders and he's moving his hands all around, and you don't really hear him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you just.

[Adam Curry]

What did I pick up? I don't remember what I picked up.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was something that he was saying that it was not. It was. It was covered up by all his gyrations. He's always wiggling around like he's got the ants in his pants. And he. And it. When you just listen. Which is one of the reasons that we've. We talked about this on the show before. When we listen and we produce these audio clips.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We catch a lot that we hadn't even caught when we were clipping it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't catch stuff if you're looking. In fact, I remember, like, 10 years ago, I used to do all these clips from. From TV shows, and it was like, just. I think they were called bad acting or something.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the troll room. Yeah, but with video, we can see that Newsom's a fag. Okay, well, there's that. That. There's that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there is that. But the point is, is that you get when somebody says something, you don't need to be distracted by their magician act, where they're moving this and that they're trying to distract from what they're actually saying.

[Adam Curry]

The distraction. Yeah, it's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely true. So it's denser and contented to do it without the. The video is just. It's kind of cool if you want to be on tv.

[Adam Curry]

Right, right. Which neither of us have any aspirations for at this point in our lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm too old.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm too old now, too. Don't you see?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you can still do it, dude.

[Adam Curry]

You Sit in that barber chair. Why do barbers always have the worst mirrors ever? You just look old and decrepit and like, is that really me?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because they're using mercury for the reflective material instead of silver.

[Adam Curry]

Does that mean it's more accurate?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it means it's more. It's higher in the blue range and it's more like daylight than soft light. Oh, this is, it's a Kelvin. It's the Kelvin that is retransmitted back to you is too high, the numbers are too high.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, I appreciate that. This is something I'd never thought of, never knew. I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it because old fashioned mirrors are all silver. And so the Kelvin reflected Kelvin is going to be in the probably the 3 to 2,500 to 4,000 range, as opposed to mercury.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to say to my hair lady, I'm going to say, if you're still here, what's the Kelvin of your mirror? I want to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how you'd measure the Kelvin of a mirror, but I think you could do it. Somebody out there knows how to do this stuff. But I am familiar with the Kelvin radius.

[Adam Curry]

I can tell. I like it. You're very familiar with it. One more ChatGPT clip. Just because it came in this morning.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Retail giant Walmart has announced a partnership with ChatGPT allowing customers to purchase products directly through the AI chat platform.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The collaboration marks a significant step in the growing integration of artificial intelligence into everyday life. Since the emergence of consumer facing AI, analysts have long speculated about its potential to disrupt traditional business models and daily routines. With this partnership, AI appears to be transitioning from a helpful novelty to a fully embedded part of commerce and lifestyle. As part of the deal, Walmart will reportedly share shopper data with ChatGPT's parent company in exchange for integration on the platform. Given Walmart's vast retail footprint, such data is among its most valuable assets. Typically closely guarded. The company's willingness to share this information underscores the strategic importance it places on AI's role in shaping the future of retail.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's a mistake. This is crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huge mistake. You can't do that. Given the way that that's probably some valuable material in there that the AI machines can figure out and it's going to hurt Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I guess Walmart.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a stupid deal was that that Walmart made.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the lady is running democracy forward. No kings. I don't know. I mean, I guess they're thinking that it'll increase sales because it's a recommendation engine or. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

This reminds me of Dick Brass.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the old Dick Brass story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dick Brass was this entrepreneur. I haven't seen him for years. He used to work for Microsoft for a while, but before he did that, in their very early days of computing, he went to Random House and did a sweet deal to get digital rights to the Ran. The first guy who got digital rights to a book. It was like in the. Probably the early 80s, maybe the late 70s. And he went and got these digital rights to Random Houses thesaurus and dictionary.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he remembers the me because I knew him enough that he talked about the meeting. He said they, oh, yeah, sure, you can have it.

[Adam Curry]

But you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can have them. I mean, they're no good. These digital rights don't mean anything. We were a book company.

[Adam Curry]

We print like mtv saying you can have the Internet domain name. We've got the AOL keyword. Who cares? Go for it. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is something you love to harp on.

[Adam Curry]

Which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's a classic example of this kind of stupidity or lack of forward thinking.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And as opposed to stupidity, which is slightly different. But so. So he got. And they. As time went on, within four or five years, when all the digital rights thing became a big deal and they were worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, they were whining and moaning and groaning.

[Adam Curry]

They had to buy it back from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him for a fortune.

[Adam Curry]

I tried to buy. What was that. What was that service where you put the CD into your drive and then it went on the Internet? And he looked it up and then it would help you burn the cd. What was that called?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there was a number of things that would go on the Internet and organize stuff for you and also normalize the sound. And it would also. It would also tell you what the song name was and the artist.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it was.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That operation was out of Emeryville. I can almost think of the name.

[Adam Curry]

Of it because I called the guy, I spoke to him and he said, oh, man, we just sold it to somebody else for like CD database. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cddb.

[Adam Curry]

I'm like, I want to buy that, Freeman. Because I had $50,000 that. This is like public company days. I'm like, I want to buy this. I see a future. And I think cdb, their database later sold for a lot of money to Pandora or somebody like that. Because what they had done is they had the catalog and I saw that as incredibly valuable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, you were ahead of your time, actually. In that case, you were behind your time.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I'm usually 10 years ahead by.

[John C. Dvorak]

A couple of weeks. You were short.

[Adam Curry]

Missed it. Missed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It.

[Adam Curry]

But then again, I did invest in Ask Jeeves, so. That was a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was a good one. It allowed you to get into the helicopter business. Fabulous idea.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey. I had a lot of fun, I can tell you that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chopper. I can't.

[Adam Curry]

Literally. Burning money in the sky. So of course, we had the big. The big peace deal. Phase one, which was very interesting to watch. Just. I'm just sitting there like our president is. He's nuts, but he's doing very interesting things. He called it Miriam Adelson. Did you see that? I forgot to clip it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I did not see that. I didn't know. He called Miriam Adelson.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, he called her out. And let's see. Maybe I have it here because people are going nuts over this. This guy's insane. I can't believe he's doing this. Hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he do?

[Adam Curry]

I wanna. I wanna play it for you so that you can. So you can enjoy it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the only. He's.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Here it is.

[Adam Curry]

Here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

Broken promises from many other American presidents, you know, that they kept promising. I never understood it until I got there that there was a lot of pressure put on these. It was put on me too. But I didn't yield to the pressure. But every president for decades recognized that.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on, here we go. That right, Miriam?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He's pointing at her now. Isn't that right, Miriam?

[Donald Trump]

Look at Miriam. She's back there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stand up.

[Adam Curry]

And she looks like a kook. Her hair is all crazy, like her hair dryer exploded. Here he goes.

[Donald Trump]

Miriam and Sheldon would come into the office. They'd call me, he'd call me. I think he. I think they had more trouble trips to the White House than anybody else I can think of. Look at her sitting there so innocently. She's got 60 billion in the bank. 60 billion. And she loves. And she. I think she's saying no more. And she loves Israel, but she loves it. And they would come in and her husband was a very aggressive man, but I loved him. He was a very aggressive. Very supportive of me. And he'd call up, can I come over and see you? I say, sheldon, I'm the president of the United States. It doesn't work that way. He'd come in. But they were very responsible for so much, including getting me thinking about Golan Heights, which is probably one of the greatest things to ever happen.

[Adam Curry]

Here. Here's the money shot.

[Donald Trump]

Miriam, stand up, please. She really is. I mean, she loves this country. She loves this country. Her and her husband are so incredible. We miss him so dearly. But I actually asked. I'm going to get her in trouble, trouble with this. But I actually asked her once, I said, so, Miriam, I know you love Israel. What do you love more, the United States or Israel? She refused to answer. That means. That might mean Israel, I must say.

[Adam Curry]

So People go nuts over this. He's admitting. He's admitting it. He's controlled by Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get that?

[Adam Curry]

Of course not. In fact, it's the most transparent I've ever seen a president be. Like, Well, I got $100 million. He didn't say $100 million, but very supportive of me. And then they gave me some thoughts about the Golan Heights. And I think they love Israel more than America. Like, okay, that was. Oh, that. Oh, that set people off.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know why I would set anybody off.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying. I don't understand it either. Anyway, so that was a little moment there. Then he goes to Egypt and, man, everybody except Iran, everybody was there. All the big wigs, they're all like, you're great. The Pakistan Prime Minister, he's like, without you, millions of people would have been dead between us and India. Thank you for stopping that. Everyone's just loving him and loving him and loving him. So it's just the best you got. Giorgia Maloney smiling at him from behind. He turns around, he says, I get in trouble for this as a politician, but you're beautiful. You're just beautiful. So he's doing this whole rap and he's going down the list alphabetically. And Jeremy Kyle, he's on Sky News in the uk, I think he had a talk show. Maybe he still has a talk show, a morning talk show. And he was doing a voice, I guess, the way they. You know how they used to do the Eurovision Song Contest? And the Brits are always making fun of it, Sir Terry Wogan was great at that. And always laughing because they always came in blast and they always be laughing about it. So Jeremy Kyle is doing a version of that and for 15 minutes, and it's only on YouTube, I guess they were showing the straight video of Trump on television, but on YouTube they have his commentary, which he's making as he's watching it, which I think is an interesting thing to do. And they're playing. He and his co hosts are playing it just like it's The Eurovision Song Contest, because Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, standing there and he like the Cheshire Cat and. And they're like, oh, oh, he's last. Oh, he's been waiting 15 minutes. I'll just play this one minute where.

[Donald Trump]

It came to it and oh, uae.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, uae.

[Donald Trump]

Which is great.

[John C. Dvorak]

When next.

[Donald Trump]

United Kingdom. Where's United Kingdom?

[John C. Dvorak]

Behind you. Oh, I'm here.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Oh, oh, the stick is coming forward.

[Donald Trump]

Law came in like 20, 20 minute.

[Adam Curry]

Notice, he's come up to speak.

[Donald Trump]

And Trump, so many others and just so many others. And it's such a compliment to what we're doing, because what we've done is something very unique and very special. So it's perhaps the wealthiest and most powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right, cut him now. Cut that.

[Adam Curry]

Just stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shout out now.

[Adam Curry]

I had to wait for that, people, honestly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you please cut that?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

He waited 15 minutes, Keir Starmer to be mentioned.

[Adam Curry]

And Trump stood right behind Trump. He goes, where is he? So he turns around and Starmer walks to the lectern and Trump looks at him and sort of go away, trying to keep speaking.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Starmer looks now as if somebody's put.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something very disgusting under his nose.

[Adam Curry]

It was great. He totally cock blocked him. Like, nah, you're not going to talk, you're not going to say anything. And the main reason is, of course, that Britain and France went to this whole two state solution thing and we recognized Palestine as a state. And here's what Rubio thought of that. Have you noticed that the talks with Hamas fell apart on the day Macron made the unilateral decision that he's going.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

To recognize a Palestinian state?

[Adam Curry]

And then you have other people come forward, other countries. Well, if there's not a ceasefire by.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

September, we're going to recognize the Palestinian state.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if I'm Hamas, I basically conclude.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Let'S not do a ceasefire because we can be rewarded and we can claim.

[Adam Curry]

It as a victory. So those messages, while largely symbolic in.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Their minds, actually have made it harder to get peace and harder to achieve a deal with Hamas.

[Adam Curry]

They feel emboldened now, not to be outdone, as the Brits, of course, have been totally shunned. They never wanted this to happen. They love this strife in the Middle east, the North Sea nexus. The Secretary of Education, Bridget Phillipson, comes out, goes on Sky News and says, oh, no, we actually did this. We recognize that Trump has taken all the honor here, but we actually did this.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

We have played a key role behind the scenes in shaping this. It's right that we do so because it's in all of our interest, including our own national interest, that we move to a lasting peace in the region.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

But when you say behind the scenes, like what I mean, it seemed to everybody else in the world that this has been done by Trump and the Israelis and Hamas. What part did we play?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

These are complex matters of diplomacy that we are involved in. But we do welcome and recognize the critical role that the American government played in moving us to this point. What matters now, of course, is how we move beyond this immediate end to the war, moving towards that lasting peace that we all want to see. That is why we recognized a Palestinian state, why alongside that, we're committed to making sure a safe and secure Israel endures.

[John C. Dvorak]

The reason I ask this is because.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

As you say, we recognize a Palestinian state.

[Adam Curry]

Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, said.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

That actually made it more difficult to land the deal. What's really going on here? I mean, was that some sort of clever strategic double bluff? I mean, the Americans say we made it more difficult. You're saying that we played this key part. What's true?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Well, we believed as a government, that it was the right thing to do to recognise the Palestinian state because of the way in which the conflict had developed over the last two years, that if that hadn't happened, we would be in a position where there would no longer be that viable option of a Palestinian.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

But the Israelis were furious with us. The Americans said that we actually hampered the deal. What was the positive role that we played?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

It was the right thing to do. And we will always ask, as a government, in that manner. I do obviously understand that not everyone agrees with that decision, but given the scale of the conflict and what needed to happen, we felt it was the right thing to do to recognize that Palestinian state. But I should also just emphasize that the reason this conflict, of course, this phase of the conflict has begun or began, was following the appalling events, the appalling atrocities of the 7th of October. And as we, over the course of the next 24 hours, what we all want do to, to see are as many hostages as possible released home to their families and those brought home, yeah, blah, blah, blah.

[Adam Curry]

And then we've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anthony Blinken also took credit.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the New York Times did a big article, the Lost Chances to Reach a Hostage deal and Cease fire months ago. Because they had it all teed up, all Trump had to do is just make it happen. And because he prolonged the world war with his antics, lots of Palestinians were killed. It's, it's, it's amazing. These People, it's truly amazing. New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's just pretty pathetic.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So anyway, I think the best, the best quote was on he, he was yelling at the BBC people on the plane. He's like, I think he's onto this. It's North Sea Nexus. He's like, nah, now these guys are no good. And then Doocy comes out with a question which was pretty funny answer.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You had talked a couple weeks ago, you were doing an interview and you talked about how you hope to end the war in Ukraine because it might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Help you get into heaven. How does, how does this help?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Does this help?

[Donald Trump]

I mean, you know, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven. Okay. I think, I think I'm not maybe heaven bound. I may be in heaven right now as we fly an Air Force One. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot better for a lot of people. And you know, as an example, had the, had the election of 2020 not been rigged, you would have millions of people living just in Russia, Ukraine alone. That would have never happened. And it didn't happen for four years. And I knew Putin very well. It was the absolute of his eye. All the things I've said would have never happened. We had an incompetent administration, we had an incompetent president. And because of a crooked election, millions of people are dead.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. I'm not going to heaven.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I'm. When he said that, because he's been talking about this for some reason, I'm surprised that the lefties haven't picked up on it as an admission to Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And not one guy has picked. Nobody's picked up. It's too late. I think the timing's off now. You can't do it. But it seems to me that's the first thing I'd say. Oh, they're going to go after him here. Because this is. Now he's admitting, he's just admitted that he was an Epstein pedophile.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but no, they're just too, they're too dumb.

[Adam Curry]

No. Yes. They're too wrapped up in trying to give the credit to Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I have a clip. I have a. Interesting Gaza. This is kind of a. This is like at the end of a, I think a NPR discussion about Gaza. And this is just finally talking about the. Who's going to be policing the place and all the rest of it. And I thought it was a good way to wrap. Currently, where we stand on Gaza.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, here we go. The vacuum is that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the vacuum.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Who is going to fill this vacuum if.

[Adam Curry]

No, Whoa, hold on a second. What's this you've got. You're out of. Out of sync, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, yeah, you got.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on, let me. Let me monoise you. Hold on. Huh? Okay, let's try that again.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Who is going to fill this vacuum if no one's in control?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the ceasefire calls for a committee of Palestinian technocrats to run Gaza on an interim basis. Egypt's foreign minister says there is is now a list of 15 people, and he says the names have been approved by Hamas and Israel. However, the names haven't been announced and it's not clear when they'll take over or how much authority they'll have to take care of things like health care, education, water, electricity, coordination with aid groups. And, Alyssa, as you know, the needs are staggering, and this committee certainly won't have many resources to work with.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Would they be in charge of Gaza as security?

[Adam Curry]

So it seems to likely play a role, though we really don't have any clarity right now. The Hamas civilian police armed with guns have returned to the streets. And these Hamas policemen have been in deadly shootouts already with some Palestinian clans, which are essentially armed gangs. So the security situation is very volatile. Now, Egypt says It's training about 5,000 new Palestinian policemen for Gaza. This training has been taking place in recent weeks in Egypt. It's not clear when these new policemen might come to Gaza and if Hamas will accept this new authority. Yeah, well, of course, it behooves no one for this to actually stick or improve. Not in the media, for sure. We want this to fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they want it to fail, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm sure there's rough waters ahead. There's no doubt about it. You know, you got Hamas executing people on the street. They made a big deal out of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And they also made a big deal out of it being 33.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I didn't hear that part.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Did you get it?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't get it, but I figured, yeah, it's just, you know, it's just another 33.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's the. Here's the CNN report.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the middle of a public square in Gaza City, eight bound and blindfolded men are dragged out and forced to kneel. One by one, armed Hamas militants take up their positions. Behind them.

[Adam Curry]

Very graphic, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aiming rifles at their heads before opening fire. All eight men fall to the ground executed. This is part of the grim reality of post civilization Ceasefire Gaza, as Hamas forces say they are carrying out a comprehensive security operation to root out those they accuse of collaborating with Israel. With these bodies, Hamas also re establishing the element of fear it has used to rule Gaza for years as it looks to reassert its dominance over a decimated Gaza Strip amid its ceasefire with Israel. Hamas. Hamas is now putting on a show of force in Gaza's streets, attacking other armed groups, from gangs backed by Israel to powerful clans that have a history of clashing with Hamas. The Dormush clan, which denies collaborating with Israel, has accused Hamas of killing nearly 30 members of its family in the last 33. U.S. central Command, which is monitoring the ceasefire, urging Hamas to immediately suspend violence and shooting at innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and of course, now the question is, what will we protest?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we got the no Kings. I have a little clip on the no Kings. We just protest not having a king.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's do that.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

If you have noticed, the news cycle over the last week has been even worse than before. It just seems to be escalating. And I truly believe it's partly because they're seeing how many marches are being organized all around the country and around the World on October 18. They are lashing out in fear because they see all the opposition from people, the fact that they cannot gaslight the world into thinking, into believing that Portland is a war zone on fire because there are now dancing frogs, dancing unicorns, dancing eagles outside the island ICE facility. And even the Oregon National Guard is there to protect the peaceful protesters and not the ICE agents. Says a lot. They are laughing out because they're not getting what they want. They are terrified because there are more of us than they are of them. And more people are waking up and saying that they are against this regime. So this week, try to find something that brings you calm, recharges your energy, because we need all of our voices together on October 18th. No King's Day.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so this is obviously a Marxist move by the Socialist Workers Party and whatever else.

[John C. Dvorak]

The world's Workers Party.

[Adam Curry]

World's Workers Party. When you say regime, you're a comrade, wouldn't you say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I would say so, yeah. Regime is a code word.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But this, this is what. This is what I'm. I'm somewhat concerned about. They are really going nuts in these cities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm not seeing it that bit. No, I don't think it's that bad? I think they're humiliating themselves.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, we'll see. They can be violent. We saw it with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's for sure. Well, yeah, but that's always been true.

[Adam Curry]

We saw it with BLM.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's play this clip. This is a top. The one TikTok clip that I have on here, which is talk and should I think it's lefty Gaza TRUMP clip.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

No, I will not be celebrating that Donald Trump ended the war in Gaza because he didn't. If anybody deserves to be recognized and praised for their efforts in ending this conflict, which is still not entirely ended, it is the people of Palestine. The people of Palestine have relentlessly fought for decades for liberation to still not entirely have it. So, no, I will not be praising Donald Trump or his administration for ending the war, ending this, ending the conflict, getting the ceasefire deal, because it wasn't him. It was not Donald Trump that did this. It was the perseverance and the persistence of the Palestinian people that got us to where we are, that got them to where they are. It is their efforts, their loss, their pain, their struggles that have got them to this point. So, no, I will not be acknowledging or giving any type of credit to Donald Trump and his administration because they don't deserve it. The people who deserve credit and love and support are those of you, of Palestine, those who have truly fought for liberation, those who have truly fought for their families, their people, not Donald Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. I'm taking a stand. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me on Tik Tok. Look at me. Oh, yeah, I'm taking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why are you producing it? Why are you taking a clip and then putting a musical bed under it? Because I'm looking at Martin Scorsese. I mean, what do you think you are?

[Adam Curry]

I'm producing. I'm a producer, man. I'm a creator. I'm a creator. I create what I do. And when I create, I create against the Orange man. I create. That's what I'm doing. Haven't you heard of social media? Haven't you heard of short form video? Everyone's loving it. It's where it's at, man. You dinosaur. What are you thinking, Lincoln?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's a new, you know, there. We played the old JD Vance, the original retard clip. Yes, well, he's got a new one.

[Adam Curry]

Is this something he's making and posting or is this just something.

[John C. Dvorak]

I really don't think he's making these.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

To my illegal alien amigos in the city of El Chicago. Please go back to your casita. El Governor Pritzker s mucho retardo. He can't protect o you if you stay in El Chicago. You will be arrested o and deporto back to your shit.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Holio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gracias, amigos. Oh, and when you come back legally, make sure you El Voto for el JD Van.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

So muchas gracias.

[Adam Curry]

Long live Sora too. Yeah, it'll be short lived, but we'll enjoy it while it's here for sure. So then. Although I think the only person really doing a lot with this is Jesse Waters. But, you know, I, I tried to clip him. He did like 10 minutes on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the problem with clipping Jesse because I' done it on the show, is that he's. He does too many asides.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be, you know, he tries to be personable when he does his bit. So he. So instead of just doing a straight up presentation, he's. He wanders just enough. You have to keep clipping it out. It's very annoying to edit him.

[Adam Curry]

Not doable. So instead I have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is doable. It's just a pain in the ass.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So Tulsi Gabbard, she is, she is buckling down, bearing down and calling it out as a traitorous conspiracy.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

The seriousness of, again, the implications and the consequences of these actions that were taken demand accountability. The American people not only deserve the truth and accountability, when we look at the future of our country as a democratic republic and the American people's ability to have faith that when they go and cast a vote at the ballot box, that the will of the people will be respected by those in government, whether they be Democrats or Republicans. This is literally what is at stake here. So we are referring all of our documents to the Department of Justice for the purpose of accountability and action. No one, no matter who they are, no matter how high up they are or how powerful they may be, no matter who the intelligence officials or professional professionals were who were a part of this treasonous conspiracy, there must be accountability. The truth must be shown to the American people in order to ensure that there is this faith and trust and integrity in our democratic republic for the sake of the future of our country. I'm not a lawyer. We're referring all of this to the Department of Justice. I know that Attorney General Pam Bondi is committed to bringing about justice to those who have broken the law. And in this case, again, what these documents detail to me, in my view, cannot be explained as anything but a treasonous conspiracy. This is. This is not so different from what we saw under George W. Bush. When we saw that manufactured intelligence claiming there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, that kicked off a war that changed our.

[Adam Curry]

But now that I'm hearing this, thank you for reminding me that when we listen to things instead of watching them, we catch more. When she brings up the treasonous conspiracy of George W. Bush, the analog there is Britain. The analog is all over the place because it was the Brits who also were pushing weapons of mass destruction. The Brits. The Brits. The Brits. And the same thing here, Steele. The Brits, MI6, George W. Bush.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

When we saw that manufactured intelligence claiming there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, that kicked off a war that changed our country, that changed the lives of so many people like myself who went and served in those wars. The implications of manufactured intelligence are real. I would even say that what we are seeing here has an even greater impact than what we've seen in the past because it speaks again to the foundation of our Constitution and our democratic republic, which is why. Why accountability is so critical.

[Adam Curry]

I don't, for some reason. Why does it grate me when she says our democratic Republic?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's a constitutional republic.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you. Thank you. I don't know why she says that. I don't like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a Democrat.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, of course. Well, and then, of course, President Trump just went on and on and on about this, calling out everybody. Oh, we're going to get everybody.

[Donald Trump]

And I hope that everybody's, you know, they're involved in it.

[Adam Curry]

It.

[Donald Trump]

I'm not. I'm the one that had to suffer through it and ultimately win. But what they did was criminal. Deranged Jack Smith, in my opinion, is a criminal. And I noticed his. His interviewer was. I think.

[Adam Curry]

Notice how smart he is. He could be a podcaster, in my opinion. He slips it in there, so it's not libelous. So he's. In my opinion, he's very good.

[Donald Trump]

Deranged Jack Smith, in my opinion, is a criminal. And I noticed his. His interviewer was. I think that was Weissman. And I hope they're going to look into Weissman, too. Bad guy. And he had somebody in Lisa, who was his puppet, worked in the office, really, as the top person, and I think that she should be looked at very strongly. There was tremendous criminal activity having to do. If we don't have fair election elections in this country, we're not going to have a country. And I've Said it from the beginning. Fair elections and border borders. And we need also fair press, because if you don't have fair press, it's very tough. They have committed massive political crime. I hope they're looking at Shifty Schiff. I hope they're looking at all these people and I'm allowed to find out. I'm allowed to, you know, I'm in theory the chief law enforcement officer, but I have a sheriff talented group. This is about something else. But I hope they're looking at political crime because there's never been so much political crime against a political opponent as what I had to go through. They raided my house in Florida. It was an illegal raid. I have a lawsuit that was doing very well. And when I became president, I said, I'm sort of suing myself. I don't know. How do you settle the lawsuit? I'll say, give me X dollars. Right. And I don't know what to do with the lawsuit. It's a great lawsuit. And now I wonder, it looks bad. I'm suing myself, right? I don't know, but, but that was a lot.

[Adam Curry]

I love it when he loses it. This is. It was a great lawsuit, but I got how many X dollars I'll give myself. Is it a great lawsuit? But I can't do it. I can't sue myself.

[Donald Trump]

Suit that was very strong, very powerful. They raided illegally my house in Florida, Mar a Lago. They went through the drawers of my young son. They went through all of the cabinets and drawers of the first lady. She walked in, she said, wow, what happened?

[Adam Curry]

Because this is where video would be helpful. I just like to see them going through her drawers. Yeah, Melania's drawers.

[Donald Trump]

She's very meticulous. And this wasn't so meticulous as she looked into the drawers and she saw everything a mess. It's. It's what they did against a person that just got out of office.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. So he goes on and on and on. And I think it's getting to some Democrats because Pelosi, she. She lost it on the steps of the, of the Capitol. And if you saw that some reporter Mike Lindell's tv. Yes, Lindell.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the girl who, who does this, she's pretty funny. And I don't know if you saw the whole clip, but. No. Well, at the. She at the end, she turns to the camera.

[Adam Curry]

That's the best she gives the grin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, big grin.

[Adam Curry]

But Palo, I just love. This is short.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Congressman Pelosi, are you at all concerned that the new January 6th committee will find you liable for that name. Are you at all concerned about the new January 6th committee finding you liable for that day? Why did you refuse the national guard on January 6th?

[Donald Trump]

Thank you.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not refuse the National Guard.

[Adam Curry]

The president didn't send it.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Why are you coming here with Republican.

[Adam Curry]

Talking points as if you're a serious journalist?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

The American people want to know. We still have questions. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

I just love. Shut up. That's just the best. I mean, she's, she's offer. Shut up. Shut up. She's mad now.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's over the hill. She's lost it. But by the way, since you played some of these clips about this, you know, these threats that are going to go after this guy, they're going to do nothing. The Republicans never do anything. They don't there. No shift is going to be fine. I mean, maybe they all get a little nervous. No one gets one guy who's got indicted Comey for some, you know, he got indicted for good reason and it's probably a shut and open shut case. And Letitia James, which is seems like an easy one because she's like basically seems to be corrupt. But that's it. Where's all the comer stuff about. Oh, we've tracked all the bank accounts to Hunter Biden's laptops and we were putting the pieces together connecting all that. Nothing's come of it.

[Adam Curry]

Where's Arctic frost?

[John C. Dvorak]

And Arctic Frost. And they're all bitching about it every time Holly's on a show or there's two or three of these senators that are complaining bitterly, constantly. But it doesn't mean anything. They grape. They gripe, gripe, gripe, gripe, gripe. And that's about all that you get out of the Republican Party.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's a disappointing thing to hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know it and I know it.

[Adam Curry]

Where's the fun in that? Where's the fun?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there is no fun. They're just a bunch of softies. And then Pam Bondi. Give me a break. Well, I mean, there's more memes. I'll put some memes in the next newsletter about, you know, they have more than one Pam Bondi doll with, you know, she's sitting there behind a desk with a bunch of stuff she doesn't want to look at.

[Adam Curry]

So something odd happened. I got a clip from the clip custodian and he sends me, he said this is an old clip and he sent it to me in context of a couple other clips I'm going to play. But I just clipped this myself and I guess it was a rerun, which is surprising that it ran again on the news. And I got it from KREM in South Carolina and he had the original from WYFF in South Carolina. I think they're both NBC affiliates. And so I'll play this clip and then I'll which means I think it'll make sense when I play the other clips. But this is just interesting that he dug this up and said this is an old clip, but it makes sense in context of these other clips, which is a predictive program. Recycling news for some reason, yes, for some reason.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

There is growing concern over a measles outbreak in South Carolina and whether misinformation about vaccines is making it worse. Health officials have now confirmed 16 cases in that state since July and dozens of students are quarantining at home right now. Christian Benavidez has more from South Carolina. Measles cases are on the rise, forcing nearly 140 unvaccinated students in two South.

[John C. Dvorak]

Carolina schools to stay home for three weeks after they were exposed to the virus.

[Adam Curry]

Parents Chandler and Emma Gordon are expecting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baby number three in April. While they and their boys are vaccinated.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The recent measles outbreak has made them extra careful.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

We're a little cautious knowing a newborn coming into this doesn't have the opportunity to be vaccinated or protected against measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

The highly contagious virus spreads through the air and can linger for up to two hours.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Symptoms can include high fever, cough, runny nose, red eyes and a rash.

[John C. Dvorak]

The virus can also cause severe infections, especially in kids under five.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

It's very concerning. We have never had this big of an outbreak, especially in such a short amount of time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Ashley Gardner works at Parkside Pediatrics.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

In Spartanburg, South Carolina. Have you seen changes in parents in recent years?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

We had the miscommunications that can happen sometimes leading to a decreased in vaccine rates. And it's our job as doctors in order to help give truth and point them to hopefully having the best medical decision possible.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The measles vaccine is safe and effective according to the states nationwide, measles cases.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are at a more than three decade high, while vaccination rates among kindergarteners have.

[Adam Curry]

Been trending downwards in recent years.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Measles is so contagious that it needs a very, very high level of vaccination in order to achieve that herd immunity. And so if it needs dips down at all, there's the risk for this highly contagious virus spreading very quickly.

[Adam Curry]

So this next clip I will play for the benefit of our, of our ever growing Gen Z contingent who tune in to their uncles to learn some stuff. And I'm going to resurrect the clip that you brought probably about a year ago, I think, of the Brady Bunch, which I watched as a kid growing up. You watched as a teenager growing up? The Brady Bunch, a great sitcom. 2. Mom had three daughters, dad had three boys. They married, they got a housekeeper. It's a fun little sitcom. And the Brady Bunch gets the measles. Here's how we talked about measles when we were kids back in the ice Age.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Hi, Peter. What are you doing home from school? They sent me home measles and see their measles. A strange case of red freckles. You have got a temperature, they told me.

[Adam Curry]

101.1.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

What's the record?

[Adam Curry]

Never mind. Oh. Are you sure it's the measles?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Well, he certainly got all the symptoms.

[Adam Curry]

A slight temperature, a lot of dots.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

And a great big smile.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

A great big smile.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

No school for a few days.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Say hello to my dotted son for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell him I'll bring him some comic books and I'll see you later, dear.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, honey. Bye.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Boy, this is the life, isn't it? Yeah. If you have to get sick, you sure can't beat the measles. That's right. No medicine inside or out. Like shots. I mean, don't even mention shots.

[Adam Curry]

Yuck.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Measles.

[Adam Curry]

Measles. Measles. Well, all the kids have now had the measles. So have I. Well, I had them years ago.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Looks like the Bradys are finished with the measles.

[Adam Curry]

Hold it.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

You're not through yet, Alice.

[Adam Curry]

Don't tell me you're coming down with the measles. Oh, I hope so.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I'd hate to think I was just learning how to blush at my age.

[Adam Curry]

So that's how we thought about this very same disease. Measles. When we were kids, you had spots and a big smile on your face. You got to stay home. You got to read comic books. You got ice cream. And it was better than getting a needle. No, we'd rather have measles. Now we move forward in time to 2025, the Emmy Award winning, multiple Emmy award winning HBO series the Pit. Have you seen the Pit?

[John C. Dvorak]

I know about the Pit. It's a. It's a hot show.

[Adam Curry]

It's a very hot show. And here is their Brady Bunch version of the measles.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

We have a septic 13 year old with pneumonia. I just intubated and ceftriaxone is on board.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's consolidation. Maybe some nodules.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Could be viral pneumonia, with or without bacterial super infection. Kids got a weird rash, too.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Oh, and it's macula papular on the legs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty faded on the neck and chest. Starting to decrement.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You ever seen anything like this before? Nope. Well, that just goes to show you.

[Adam Curry]

How old I am.

[John C. Dvorak]

This looks like measles.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Measles?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Holy. Any travel history?

[John C. Dvorak]

He wasn't able to talk before he intubated.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

But measles is super contagious, not contagious.

[John C. Dvorak]

If it's resolving, we need more history. Where are the parents?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Oh, they're at the movies. I'm sure their phone's off, but he came in with his little sister. We can talk to her.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

What theater?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I don't know, Shen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Try every theater. It's got to be over a. Do the ones closest to where they live. We need to find those parents and.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Call public health, tell them we might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have a measles outbreak.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oh, no. We've got a measles outbreak.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I've seen this before. I'm so old. It's the measles. Let's have the parents argue about shots and stuff and doing things. Oh, no. It's the measles.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

How did Flynn get measles?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

From his sister. Hi, I'm Dr. Robbie. Georgia's fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's in our staff room. She's the one who actually called 911 and probably saved her brother's life.

[Adam Curry]

Called 91 1. Cause he had the measles.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

George was.

[Adam Curry]

Georgia was sick, but she got better.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

On her own, quickly. Yeah, many people get better on their own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like Georgia. However, as many as 1 in 20.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Kids that get measles get pneumonia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like your son.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Are your children vaccinated against measles?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

No.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The MMR vaccine is perfectly safe.

[Adam Curry]

Measles is ineffective.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not. We're concerned about inflammation and possible damage to Flynn's brain and spinal cord.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The measles got to his brain? Well, his head CT was normal, but the only way to find out if he's okay is to perform a lumbar puncture.

[Adam Curry]

The measles got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, God.

[Adam Curry]

The measles got to his brain. We have to do a lumbar puncture. Make sure you get that beeping noise. Keep on going in the background. A spinal tap?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I've read about kids who've been paralyzed from a spinal tap.

[John C. Dvorak]

There is zero risk of paralysis.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

What about bleeding or infection? It's a perfectly safe procedure. We do it Every day.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

We need spinal fluid to see if Flynn has acute disseminated encephalomyelitis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then if he does, we treat with high dose steroids to decrease the risk of blindness, deafness, intellectual disability, even death.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

He could die from this. The Death rate from ADEM is high.

[John C. Dvorak]

1 in 5.

[Adam Curry]

Do the spinal tap.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

No. Can't you just give him steroids without the spinal tap?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

If there's no adem, the steroids could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suppress his immune system, making it harder to fight off the pneumonia.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

But it says here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you put your damn phone.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey. Don't be doing your own research, lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your son is critically ill. The longer that we wait, the higher.

[Adam Curry]

The risk of permanent brain damage.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is not clear here, Hillary?

[Adam Curry]

He has a tube down his throat. He can't breathe on his own.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Poking holes in my son's spine.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Oh, man. How could this end?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

What are you doing? You session.

[Adam Curry]

She didn't want to be in the room.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I was kidding. Georgia, something to eat. Wait outside. Stop what you're doing right now.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

No.

[Adam Curry]

They're almost done.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I can't believe you went behind my back.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did what was best for Flynn, not for you.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Take that needle out of his back.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I don't want to have to ask you to leave.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Take it out right now.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Coming out now.

[John C. Dvorak]

All done.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

My son is leaving this hospital.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

She really is a good mom.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, come on. This is insane. The propaganda of this. And they get all the Emmys.

[John C. Dvorak]

They won a lot of awards. It's structured well. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's just crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's shameful. I'd say. It's just shameful that they would run storylines like that.

[Adam Curry]

And did the Brady Bunch ever win an Emmy? They sure deserve it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't think so. That was the golden era of sitcoms, so this was pretty hard to win anything. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Happy Days wasn't happy. Happy Days was the same time. Kung Fu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kung Fu.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Kung Fu, Grasshopper. It's time when you snatch the pebbles from my hand. Ah, these were good times. Love Boat. Come on, man. These were good shows. They were wholesome shows. You stayed at home and watched with your family. And we loved it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those days are over.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. We just. Doom scroll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Doom scroll.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, look. Look at the eagle. Look at the eagle. He picked up the baby.

[John C. Dvorak]

My favorite.

[Adam Curry]

And the mom.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we also have. We have. Since we're talking doomscrew, one of our producers sent me this. It was a doom scroller. He knows who he is. No, this guy's a comedy. He's not a comedian. He's a satirist, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Think.

[John C. Dvorak]

And his name's just Josh. Cider, I think is how you pronounce it. And he does these takeoffs on different people. And this is kind of a takeoff on this. On this character we've all seen on TikTok videos. And they. Or they pass it around. She gets around. She. He what? They.

[Adam Curry]

Them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know who it is. This Lily, a Tino person who's always being misgendered and she's in the restaurants and she's always getting free stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse me. Excuse me. What did you call me? Yeah, yeah, I want them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have to leave. I don't. My favorite Lily thing is it's always the same bit. She says, he called me sir. And then he did correct it to ma', am, but I. I don't feel safe. Yes, you don't feel safe.

[Adam Curry]

Don't feel safe here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't feel safe here. I've got to go. So this is Josh. This is Josh, who's also played a. A trans illegal immigrant. But this is his latest bit, and I think it's hilarious.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Guys, it happened again. I was out minding my own business, not bothering anybody, and I got mispigmented. I was at the dollar tree. I was picking up some wave caps for the 360 waves I'm growing out, and this guy behind me is like, I didn't know white guys needed those things. And I said, excuse me, bigot, did.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

You just dead skin me?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, what am I talking about? I was assigned white at birth by a doctor, but I identify as a black man. And this whole time, the cashier's just kind of standing there and I'm like, are you not gonna say anything to this racist? She's like, sir, he's an. An actual black man. I said, actual black man. Do you understand how harmful those words are to trans pigmented people like me?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

You know?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And it's just like, how many black identifying white guys are gonna have to suffer until people just start doing the right thing and affirming our identity? So the cashier was like, sir, you can either finish checking out or just leave. And I'm like, Like, you keep calling me sir, but I identify as a woman. And she's like, I am so sorry, ma'.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And so I ended up getting like 50% off my order. So anyways, I'm just really frustrated. Let me know what you guys think in the comments.

[Adam Curry]

Peace. Oh, that brings me to a clip that I was tipped off, was tipped off to by the former New York banker said, did you see the stats that are going around? I said, no. What's that Stats? And I found a clip of said stats.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

In a shift from recent trends, new.

[Adam Curry]

Data suggests that the number of young.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

People identifying as transgender or non binary has declined sharply.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

According to findings from the foundation for Individual rights and Expression Fire, which surveyed more than 60,000 undergraduate students across the United States, the share of respondents identifying as a gender other than male or female has fallen by nearly half over the past two years, from 6.8% in 2022-2023 to just 3.6% this year. The decline appears most pronounced at elite universities, where some campuses reported drops of up to 70%. While the reasons behind the shift remain unclear, analysts point to a mix of cultural and political factors, including evolving public attitudes toward gender identity and heightened debate over related issues such as women's sports and public accommodations. Whatever the cause, it appears as though this trendy social contagion may be heading toward remission.

[Adam Curry]

50%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. There's hope. There's light at the end of the tunnel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except for the people who got mutilated.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, no, that's bad. Of course. Of course. We've been following pig butchering for what, a couple years now? At least. And I've taken in the because, especially the mercy me guys. They're always laughing. They're always sending me the. Because they always goad these scammers and they're always like, hey, I'm Alice or Kim or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the goading the scammers is fun. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But when you hear about, you know, these are slaves basically being whipped because they haven't gotten enough money out of these poor slubs who fall for this time and time again. And then the Department of Justice released a statement about they rolled up one of these big pig butchering scams and here's the report. The DOJ says it seized a staggering $15 billion in Bitcoin from a global pig butchering scam. The agency says it's the largest forfeiture in U.S. history.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Federal prosecutors charged Chen Xi, a Cambodian tycoon known as Vincent, accusing him of running crypto fraud compounds where trafficked workers.

[Adam Curry]

Were beaten and forced to scam victims online. Gee's Prince holding group allegedly pulled in up to 30 million in a day.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Laundering stolen crypto through secret wallets. The FBI says the bust marks quote One of the largest financial fraud takedowns ever.

[Adam Curry]

G remains at large. $15 billion. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a business.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's a business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Just whip some slaves. $15 billion. That's. That's a lot of money. Money. It's a lot of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

He remains at large.

[Adam Curry]

Vincent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vincent.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Vincent. And then we have the ongoing blowing boats out of the water.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I guess he blew another one up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the fifth one. And here's the president with some statistics of his own.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't want to tell you exactly, but we are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control. We've had a couple of days where there isn't a boat to be found and that. I view that as a good thing, not a bad thing. But we had tremendous amounts coming in by boats, by very expensive boats. You know, they have a lot of money. Very fast, very expensive boats that were pretty big. And the way you look at it is every boat that we knock out, we save 25,000American lives. So every time you see a boat and you feel badly, you say, wow, that's rough. It is rough. But if you lose three people and save 25,000 people, these are people that are killing our population. Every boat is saving 25,000 lives. And you can see it. The boats get hit and you see that fentanyl all over the ocean. It's like floating in bags. It's all over the place. And it's. It's a tremendous. We're saving tremendous amounts of lives.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know where he gets the 25,000 lives saved or created from.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't get that either. And yet most of those boats are headed to Europe or they're headed to a transfer point to go to. No, they're. Most of the. It's been documented largely that the Venezuelans are a transfer point for cocaine through the various islands to ending up in Europe.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Oh, that's different. I thought you were saying these boats were going to Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the boats can't get that far. But the. No, the Venezuelan drugs, it's a transfer point for Colombian and other cocaine suppliers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this makes total sense. Now it. Thank you. Now it makes sense. This is Trump hitting out at the North Sea nexus. Like, no, we're not going to let you even get your drugs to launder all that money through the port of Rotterdam. Now it makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, using it from that perspective, I guess it gives it a different angle.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Like, no, you're not going to Get. I'm not going to let you transport your drug money and drugs to get money and fund whatever you're doing over there. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And it's not fentanyl.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not fentanyl. I don't think he said fentanyl, did he?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he did.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he did.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said fentanyl very specifically.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not fentanyl. Here's a longer ABC report and a lot of politicians are very outraged by this, which I find puzzling this morning.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

President Trump considering US strikes on Venezuelan soil to combat drug cartels.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I don't want to tell you exactly, but we are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

The president also escalating US operations against Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolas Maduro. Trump confirming he's authorized covert CIA action in the country. But when asked if the agency has the authority to take out Maduro, Trump.

[Donald Trump]

Non committal, but I think Venezuela is feeling heat.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

In a statement overnight, Venezuela accusing Trump of trying to legitimize a regime change operation.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, I don't think think the President actually said that he has authorized the CIA. I think this is something that he never didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't. They're just putting, they're piecing the, they're putting together what they think is connecting the dots.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. And then, and then they throw in a little nat pop quote of him saying, I think they're feeling the heat. It's very interesting that they're doing this.

[Donald Trump]

Trump non committal, but I think Venezuela is feeling heat.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

In a statement overnight, Venezuela accusing Trump of trying to legitimize a regime change operation to access the country's oil resources, saying they would bring up the matter at the UN Security Council today. It comes after the US Carried out its fifth deadly strike on an alleged drug boat off the coast of Venezuela. Trump posting this video on social media saying six male narco terrorists aboard the vessel were killed in the strike. The Trump administration's operation in the Caribbean first began in early September and has drawn fierce condemnation from democratic lawmakers who say the strikes risk getting the US into a full fledged war.

[Adam Curry]

There's lots of people who have been designated terrorists.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

That does not automatically give the authority to take lethal action.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Asked why he's striking the boats instead of using traditional coast guard operations where officers can verify who is on the boat, Trump saying the coast guard boats are too slow.

[Donald Trump]

They have faster boats. Some of these boats are seriously, I mean, they're world class speedboats. And. But they're not faster than missiles.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

So far, the administration has provided limited details and no evidence to prove 27 people killed were attempting to traffic drugs to the US is the claim.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

So there's a one in four chance.

[Adam Curry]

This is Rand Paul. All of a sudden they throw him in. And why is he all mad about stuff now?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

To traffic drugs to the US as they claim.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

So there's a one in four chance.

[Adam Curry]

Statistically speaking, that one of these boats may not have had any drugs on it. We will never know because they were blown to smithereens.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

In a memo obtained by ABC News earlier this month, the administration told Congress that America is in a formal armed conflict and that drug cartels are deemed unlawful combatants.

[Adam Curry]

Again, that's a memo that you send to Congress when you're invoking some kind of war power. This is done continuously, but they make it sound like it's just. He just dashed off a memo and said, thank you for your attention to this matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Now, the Venezuelan government has repeatedly denounced the US Strike, saying they are, quote, a pure violation of international rights. Maduro calling them, quote, aggression all down the line. But US Officials accused Maduro of facilitating drug trafficking from Venezuela, according to claim.

[Adam Curry]

He denies H. Now, the whole CIA thing they bring in is interesting. Not sure exactly why they're doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably some coded stuff we don't get.

[Adam Curry]

Possibly.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a few clips here on. I think it's a public service.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is the. About, you know the. About the protein fad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes. Didn't we have some clips on this about the Kardashians and popcorn protein and everyone's talking protein this and protein that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, I think we did in the past. But this is a kind of a. From consumer. This was Consumer Reports doing some research and determining that most of the protein powders and stuff you get are so loaded with lead.

[Adam Curry]

Why. Why do they. Why is lead in there?

[John C. Dvorak]

They never explained why the lead is in there, but most of it's probably a function of the, of the extraction process or they. I don't know, somebody can. Maybe there's a chemist out there that knows how this is done. But this is a. And they soft pedal this on npr. They soft pedal it a little bit. But anyone who. And I don't do this, I'm not. I figure a couple of pieces of steak or, or lamb chops or might.

[Adam Curry]

Might give you some protein that you need.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think you get your protein from that cheese has got a lot of protein in it. There's a lot of product out there. You don't have to add protein powder to, to, to everything. So. But listen to this. This is a, this is a. I consider this a public service for us to play these clips on this show.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Americans are obsessed with protein. What once was more of a niche interest has gone thoroughly mainstream. Just check your local grocery store. Beef jerky, protein boosted milk and yogurts. Even soon protein Pop Tarts and Doritos. And of course there are tons of protein powders. They're commonly made from whey, which is derived from milk or from pea protein. And according to a consumer Reports analysis, they likely contain something else. Toxic heavy metals, especially lead.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. All right. NPR is doing this as a public service as well, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. This is a fascinating, this is of course one of their, you know, separate things. It's not part of their daily news, but I'm sure they'll play it a few times. But this is, to me, frightening because lead is one of the worst types of. I mean, it's, it's a cumulative pro to get lead salts in. Yes, cumulative. It causes all kinds of neurological problems like radiation.

[Adam Curry]

It stacks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes you, it makes you sick and it makes you dumb.

[Adam Curry]

What? Sorry, I was too busy licking paint.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Part two, Investigative reporter Paris Martinote.

[Adam Curry]

This is ha. What is this happening? You have, you're, you're all way off balance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

You've got. Right channel only I don't, I didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't send it that way.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you did. Okay. Yeah, it happened over here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, I have to look at. And I'm going to go back and download these my again, redownload them and take a look and see what, what, how you got that. But here we go.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Investigative reporter Paris Martineau joins us now to share what they've learned. Okay, so first of all, I have to confess that I am one of those Americans that is obsessed with protein. I actually had some protein powder in my smoothie this morning. So this is personal. Do I need to throw out my protein powder? Like how alarmed should consumers be? Yeah, there's no reason for anyone to panic. What we basically found is we tested 23 popular protein powders and shakes and we found that for more than two thirds of the products that we analyzed, a single serving of them contained more lead than what our food safety experts say is safe to consume in a day. Some of the products had more than 10 times the level that our experts say is safe. That sounds bad. I mean, it's not good. I will say that I didn't even.

[Adam Curry]

Know that there was a recommended dosage of lead on a daily basis. I would think. I want no lead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you want no lead, but there is a recommended minimum that you can tolerate, they believe, and that. And you have more than that. You're exceeding consumption of lead that your body really can have. And they're talking about 10x and that's just in one serving. And these people that are protein nuts are listening to them.

[Adam Curry]

Five servings a day, maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Which accounts, as far as I can tell. I think this may be accounting for the septum rings and the funny makeup and the democrats screaming on TikTok.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Given that some of the products we tested are fine to have occasionally, and even the ones with the highest lead levels are far below the concentration needed to cause immediate harm, the real risk of lead is even if you are exposed to kind of low levels consistently over time, that lead could kind of build up in the body and eventually cause problems farther down the line. So I'd say the advice is more scrutinize your protein shakes and take a look at what you're using. Using to make an informed decision rather than immediately freak out. And maybe it sounds layoff. I mean, in the sense of, like, not having it every day or not having it three times a day. That's one of the things that surprised me. Personally reporting out the story is, like you and like many Americans, I was, like, really worried that I wasn't getting enough protein. I totally bought into the protein mania. But talking to nutrition experts and researchers in protein, the thing I heard again and again is, is for the average person, you can very easily get all the protein you need from eating whole foods, and it doesn't make much sense to turn towards protein supplements.

[Adam Curry]

So do you have any. Before we get to the last clip here, do you have any information on the effects of too much lead? I mean, do you really think that this could lead to errant behavior and posting on TikTok?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can hear. You've got your robot there. We haven't talked to her all day.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, let's talk to the robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ask her about what are some of the effects of lead poisoning and what. Let's see. We got to get her to talk about the. Can it change your. Well, just ask her about lead poisoning in general. Then maybe we can come up with something more.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, Arrow, what are some of the symptoms that people will show mentally from lead poisoning?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Mental symptoms from lead poisoning can include irritability anxiety, depression and confusion. You might also see memory problems, trouble concentrating, or even hallucinations. In severe cases, kids could act hyperactive or have learning delays. It's sneaky. Those effects build up slowly if exposure's ongoing.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. Error. Could it turn you into a rabid lunatic Democrat?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

No, lead poisoning won't turn anyone into a rabid lunatic Democrat.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please, you're biased. Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is biased. That is a very biased bot.

[Adam Curry]

And, and by the way, how many emails did you get about the black patenter of air the airplane?

[John C. Dvorak]

I only got two.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I got several. I got several. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It turns out the airplane was just a balloon.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Two balloons moving forward in flight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So it wasn't really much of an airplane, but okay. Yeah, Error had it wrong then. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

She should have clarified. So you're right. Error is a stooge in the Democrat party.

[Adam Curry]

That's right. Error is a stooge. All right, final clip of the bad, bad protein fad.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

So you said you tested 23 powders and pre made shakes. How did you decide to test those products? We worked with kind of a market research team within Consumer Reports to identify some of the best selling protein powders and shakes available at a variety of different brands from places like Amazon or Walmart, but also kind of, we also bought some of the shakes in person at health food stores or supermarkets. And then we, we took those, made sure that we got a couple different samples of each product that represented at least two, I guess two to three different lots of the product, and then sent them off to the lab to be analyzed so people can go and check your reporting to see if their products were tested. But broadly, are there certain types of protein products that are more likely to have lead and other toxic metals in them? Yeah. So generally speaking, plant based protein products emerged as a point of concern. Nearly all of the plant based products we tested had elevated lead levels. The lead levels we found in plant based protein products were on average nine times the amount found in those made of dairy proteins like whey and twice as great as beef based proteins. When it came to, I guess, the protein powders and shakes made with whey or dairy based proteins, those generally had the lowest amounts of lead. But still, half of the products we tested had high enough levels of contamination that our exposure experts advise against taking them daily. Paris Marno, investigative reporter for Consumer Reports. Thank you so much.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Well, of course it's a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

The irony here is that the vegans, yes, Eat the plant based stuff because they can't have whey.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And it's even worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's even worse. Which makes nothing but sense.

[Adam Curry]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in the treason business. Conspiracy. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Demores.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Crane and Mississippi. Boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, dames and knights out there.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. They count your shoes. Hold on a second. Figured that would happen. We knew that was going to happen after you started the show off with. With your 78S. 1557. It's low. It's very low, John. You scared them all off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, probably talking about 78s.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I said. You scared them off with your 78 talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. They're talking about something I don't know anything about. Never heard of. Oh, let's get out of here. It may contaminate us.

[Adam Curry]

And those trolls are listening in the troll [e-mail] where you can always listen live to the show. We do this live before a live studio audience. It's very handy. It keeps us on our toes. And sometimes we learn something from the trolls. Not always, but sometimes we do. And they are listening, many of them, of course, on modern podcast apps, because they're smart. They know the benefits of it. They know that when we send out the bat signal when we go live and many of the shows on noagendastream.com go live, that you'll get a notification and you can listen live right there in your podcast app. Who would have thought that would ever be possible? Well, it is. It's been that way for several years. That's the 2.0 initiative. And of course, thanks to Pod Ping, once you. Once we publish our show, within 90 seconds, you'll be notified. So give up that legacy app and get a modern podcast app from podcastapps.com. these trolls contribute in many ways. All of our producers do. We have no listeners, only producers. We ask that you just help us with returning the value that you've received. We call it value for value. And you can send this back. Your time, your talent, your treasure. We appreciate the time people put in to letting us know that we should do video. Very helpful, very helpful commentary, stuff like that. But we also have people who send us artwork and create artwork, and we were very delighted with the art that we chose for episode 1807, we titled Keyboard Warrior. Nessworks did a great piece which we are pretty sure was not 100% AI if at all. And it was a kid backpack and everything in the school. And right there on the chalkboard, no agenda. Learn chalk. And it was just a cute piece. It hit all the buttons for us. I don't think there was any argument at all that that was the winning piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. We had some other pieces that we discussed including. It was one that we're supposed to talk about, not to scold the artist.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember what we're going to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do. I do. I had to go look at it. Unfortunately, I don't have it open.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought the OG Podfather was great. I like that one. Black guy. Black guy invented.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the black guy. That was funny. I agree.

[Adam Curry]

That was fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there was one here. Let me see if I can find it.

[Adam Curry]

Must might be on page two.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was something. One of our regulars, we had a.

[Adam Curry]

Lot of Glenn Beck with the Israeli flag clothing, which is like. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're not doing that.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't. I don't remember what.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was a Zoomers and Boomers by Blue Acorn, which also had the blackboard, but it was too small.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember what it was, John. It was something that I do remember us saying. We gotta excoriate someone for that. I can't remember what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, we lost track of it. Next time I'm gonna write it down.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a concept.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know. Oh, I know.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I know what it was. It was Darren with Albert E. Newman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Adam Curry]

Which is a very funny piece. He had Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine being injected. They had a little sign he's a polio pioneer, and we can't use that. And John will explain why.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a licensed trademarked head. In fact, I think I may be the first person who licensed it for a book I did in the 80s on the Macintosh. We got a hold of MAD magazine and licensed the Alfred E. Newman character. Because they'll sue you over this. Yeah, they should, and they should, and they. So we got a license to use the Alfred E. Newman character on the book cover. It was funny. And so we can't use. We can't just casually use Alfred E. Newman because obviously the license for that book is not the same as using it for album art for the no Agenda Show. No, but the funny thing was it I turns out we in discussions with the magazine, the publisher, Gaines I think or whoever it was at the time said that no one ever asks to license.

[Adam Curry]

Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

Like one of the few people ever. They said they go after you. Yes, but it's not like a popular thing to license.

[Adam Curry]

Do you remember how much you paid for it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we got it free.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Just for some credit.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

It.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Amazing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't remember paying money for it.

[Adam Curry]

And what was the book?

[John C. Dvorak]

Dvorak's Guide to the Macintosh I think was the name of it? Something like that. Really?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that. You do. You did an actual guide to the Macintosh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I thought you were. You hated Max.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I never hated Max. I used to have a couple.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah. But did you really use them?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's a good machine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got the reputation for hating him because I was named the anti editor of Mac User magazine and I was given the assignment by the Felix Dennis, the billionaire guy who owned the place. Is that the fat guy to be. No, no, not at all. Thin guy. And he is a. You know, I had to go after. I had to be a counter. A counterpoint to everything. So I just bitched and moaned and complained for a chick.

[Adam Curry]

A paid troll.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was a paid troll in the early.

[Adam Curry]

That's lovely. Yeah. Respect.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then everyone got all mad at.

[Adam Curry]

Me all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

To this day they're still irked.

[Adam Curry]

See, man, the Mac is a great machine, man. It's really good. They got new ones coming out. They got new ones coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah. That's going to be something.

[Adam Curry]

We also want to thank people who support us with the final of the tease, the Treasure. You can go to noagendadonations.com and support the show. We love every amount of. We always thank everybody. $50 and above. We do not thank under 50 for reasons of anonymity. And we'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers. This is how that works. If you're fortunate enough to be able to Support us with $200 or more for an individual episode, you get an official Hollywood style credit. It's not just style, it's an actual credit which you can [e-mail] youm'll be an associate executive producer and will read your note. Within reason. I see a long one here and $300 or above you become an executive producer and we will read your note. And we kick it off. I think Jay didn't understand the strike donation that was. That was the. The bitcoin that I received at the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what I was going to tell her about that to clarify. And I forgot.

[Adam Curry]

I figured something like that happened. So she's like, wow. By the way, when I sent it, it was a thousand dollars, but when I received it, it was a thousand dollars. And then I sent it onto. Onto the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The show and it went up.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes. Winning 3% increase. So I'll start with our highest executive producer. $550.38 from lubricant. What did I say? 5, 15 and 38 cents. What did I say?

[John C. Dvorak]

You said 550.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, 515. Lubar Bendass from Upicie in Czechoslovakia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's cool.

[Adam Curry]

Which is very cool. Not cool, as I didn't see a note from Lubo. And I'm presuming Luber wanted to get in on the final opportunity to become a secretary general, which is ending is the next show. The last one.

[John C. Dvorak]

The last show, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So you want to get in real quick on that, pick up on this wonderful item that we have here on qvc. What did you pick up? What item did you pick up, Lubar? Oh, I got a secretary General. Well, congratulations. Let us know what you want to be called and we'll throw you in the ceremony. Double up. Karma for you.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, look at that. John gets the long note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you might as well take this one.

[Adam Curry]

Sir. Becoming heroic from Sherville, Indiana. 5, 10, 17, long note alert. Sorry, John, this is just not. If this is not how you do it, first off, please call me the secretary general of the carnivore nation. Eating this way isn't always easy, but it has been a life changing in my mind, body and soul. And then he says, last week you guys played a clip about flu jab potentially causing Covid down the road. Well, I guess he has a story here. In November 22nd, my 84 year old dad got Covid and ended up hospitalized for about a week because of dehydration and overall weakness. It can happen with the 4 flu. When Covid was first released, the first couple of weeks, I like that the first couple of weeks was like he was cautious of his movements because of his age and because of a 30 year medicated heart condition he had. After he realized it was a scam, he picked up his car on June 20 and went on a 3,000 mile trek around the country, visiting friends and family along the way, at least the ones that let him in. He was smart enough to avoid the COVID jab and he wasn't licking any doorknobs, but he was freely moving, moving throughout life, meeting new people along the way. On multiple trips. 20, 21, 22. After his hospitalization, he still went on a couple more short trips, including attending grandkids sporting events throughout the Midwest. But he never went back to 100% of his pre hospital hospitalization spunk and had a lingering cough. March of 23, he spent the weekend with my son, helping teach one of my son's friends how to shoot at the range, something he really enjoyed doing. On that Sunday, he went home, went to sleep and never woke up. Up, huh? As I was going through his affairs, I found a statement from a medical appointment from October 22nd where they offered a flu shot and he received that jab. This is an insinuation. As soon as I read that, I told my wife that this worthy of.

[John C. Dvorak]

A Tucker Carlson show, Right?

[Adam Curry]

As soon as I read that, I told my wife that the flu shot is what killed him. Yes, yes. He was 84 years old with comorbidities, but he was active, had a social life, had kids, grandkids, and great gang grandkids that he would call and text almost daily to be our biggest cheerleader in life. Wow. Is that the end of the note here? Covid started me down the rabbit hole, but this caused a deep dive on the medical industrial complex. The more I learn, the more disgusted I become. Anyway, happy anniversary. Thank you. Sorry to hear about that, but yes, that seems plausible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it does actually. Unfortunately, Douglas Murray's up.

[Adam Curry]

Douglas Murray.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douglas Murray, but a different Douglas Murray. $240.24. This is actually a triple boob donation, which is kind of interesting for people out there looking for that. No jingles, no karma.

[Adam Curry]

All right? No jingles, no karma to get. Dame Beth is in Tucson, Arizona. 233.99. Associate executive producership for you Heil boys inviting all Southern Arizona slaves to the Happy birthday no agenda meetup on Thursday, October 23rd at 4pm Is this the newest of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you notice she sent us a note today correcting this note.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, because it's probably the 26th of October.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I mean, she sent it to you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, and I sent it to Jay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this just came in this morning. I know, I know. Oh, five in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And I said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you said it to Jay at 5 in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Well, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is probably the right note.

[Adam Curry]

7Am I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it is. Forget anything I said.

[Adam Curry]

I will forget everything you said. Here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everything.

[Adam Curry]

This is the. No, this. This is her correction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. I don't want to take a chance, you know. She comes and she. At five in the morning, she's writing.

[Adam Curry]

In and oh, my God, I'll cut all this out. No one will know the difference. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

3, 2, 1.

[Adam Curry]

3, 2, 1. You know, I'm never gonna do it. Hi, all boys. Inviting all Southern Arizona slaves to the Happy Birthday, no agenda meet up on Thursday, October 23, at 4pm on the patio at Canyons Crown. Yes, there will be cake. Thank you for your 18 years of courage and deconstruction, says Dame Beth Baroness of Baja Arizona.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Onward with. We have a note that came in. This is Ron Sherman in Colorado Springs. Came with a row of ducks, a small row of ducks. 222.22. And a handwritten note.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been a couple of crazy minutes, hasn't it? And I've. It's longhand and I've been there for most of them. I feel like a graduate of the no Agenda Institute of Higher Learning. You've helped me see things. And then he's got a bunch of stuff scratched out with a. I wonder what.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder what that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I scratched out with a different point of view. Anyways. And he just spells it anyways, which is irksome. This donation should put me over the top for my knighthood. Accounting. Accounting. Enclosed, I would like to prefer to be knighted as Sir Fungus Among Us. Got it. As far as the roundtable, I would like nothing special. I am a. I have no idea what that word is.

[Adam Curry]

Grazer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grazer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Grazer.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not spelled right. No, I'll just walk around and graze. I said it again. Okay. Graze off all the wonderful foods already there, including the mutton. And me. No jingles, no karma. See you further on down this super slide. Ronin, Colorado. So I'm not very good at spelling. Well, you got that right.

[Adam Curry]

No worries.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm protecting the cursive. He's protecting cursive.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, very good. Which. Which I have learned from one of our boots on the ground. Gen zers that. Gen zers. Not only can they mainly not write cursive, they also can't read cursive. Neither can we, actually. We're having our.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we can't read this cursive. But we read it. We got through it. You got grazers. The whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Sean Homan, parts unknown to 1911,02. 1911. There's the 1911 donation. ITM Brothers. Glory to God. Indeed. Giving thanks to the Creator for sending the Holy Spirit down. Last week, filled us with fire Reference F bomb, broad 226 show 1807. Oh, right, yes, that was the F bomb that I noticed. Oh, I remember now. Okay, this is funny. He had blessed you to discern the news for us, thus showing us things we should be praying for. Our lady of Guadalupe. Pray for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, not Guadalupe.

[Adam Curry]

No, Guadalupe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eli, the coffee guy. Bensonville, Illinois, you know him?

[Adam Curry]

$210.16 drinking my gigawatt cold brew coffee, medium roast, premium blend, smooth tast and refreshing as we speak. It has nitrogen. Adam, it looks like you're continuously to activate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam, does that say that on there?

[Adam Curry]

It says so. It's a little like a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I just been opening it, I haven't been shaking it vigorously.

[Adam Curry]

Big mistake, big mistake. So there's a little round like stamp circle on it, kind of like instant bestseller. And it says nitro. Shake vigorously to activate. Oh, you didn't know that? Oh, man, you've been get. You've been getting a bum ride. You gotta activate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna get bum ride. Adam, it looks like you're railing against. The North Sea Nexus is catching on in the context of how the last two world wars started. To quote Tucker Tucker during his interview with the Seed man, the. The one group. It says the. The. The. The one group that doesn't get credit for making the world a worse place is the Brits. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Good, good. It's. This needs to be catching on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. If possible, can I get an Alex Jones jingle? A lot of producers have reached out inquiring, will we be selling our cans online and shipping them? The answer is yes and soon.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Am I basically a beta tester?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we're just working out some of the logistics. But for now we just get some awesome gigawatt T shirts and. Or we just got some in stock. Visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and use the code ITM20 for 20% off your first order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I declared a jihad on their end. There's your Alex Jones jingle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, give him something better than that.

[Adam Curry]

What? You didn't. You didn't like that? I actually.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I mean, let's see. What do we have?

[John C. Dvorak]

The frog's gay.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, if we just said that. Frog's gay. All right, a classic no agenda. I don't like them putting chemicals in.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The water that turn the friggin frogs gay.

[Adam Curry]

There you go. That's better. Alex from Frosty Laurentians California. Is that how I pronounce it? Laurentians?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea.

[Adam Curry]

Dear John Adam, hope this is $200. Hope this note finds you well.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that's Canada, by the way. That's why I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, okay. Canada. Frosty Laurentians Canada. I'd like to wish a happy birthday, October 16th, that's today. To my smoking hot wife, Sarah House Danemark. We've been together for 23 glorious years. We have two daughters and just celebrated our 20th annivers, which means we only lived in sin for a very short time. Hopefully this minor slippage won't earn us a one way ticket to hell. She is the best thing that happened to me in my life. I do not know where and what state I would be in if it were not for her grounding skills. Moreover, I am grateful that she is still keeping up with me. A couple years ago, Sarah hit me in the mouth and I haven't missed many episodes since. And here's a $200 donation. A de douching is in order.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have your attention to this very important matter. Could I be just. Could I, Could I disturb you? Could I disturb your good. I disturb you for a jingle? I love my truck and I love what I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you know, keep up the good work.

[Adam Curry]

Hopefully your exit plan will fall through. And thanks for keeping us sane in an insane world. Here's to another. Another 15 more years at least. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Alex from the Frosty Laurentians.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love my truck and I love what I do.

[Adam Curry]

Nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. By the way, his wife hit him in the mouth. I think I admire the female listeners to this show who do that.

[Adam Curry]

They're the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are the best. Linda Lou Patkins one of them. She's in Lakewood, Colorado. 200 bucks. Jobs, karma. For a competitive edition edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K and work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

And we thank profusely thank these executive and associate executive producers for episode 1808. Eight 18 years of no Agenda coming up on the 26th. And we'll be thanking the rest of our $50 and above donors in our second segment. Along with some great meetup reports from Texas. We also have some secretary generals, a knighting and many more Goodies on the way. If you'd like to become an executive or associate executive producer of the no Agenda show or just support us in any amount, value for value, go to no Agenda Donation. You could even set up a recurring donation. All you have to do is just set it up. Any amount, any frequency. It's all up to you. This is how it works. Whatever the show is worth to you, you send it back to us. No hoops, no weird things you gotta do. It's all free for you to consume until you feel like you need to send some value back to us. Noagendadonation.com Congrats to these executive and associate executive producers.

[Donald Trump]

Our formula is this.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Shut up, Slade.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Shut up, Slade.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up. Nancy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nancy.

[Adam Curry]

All right, let's see. And what do I have?

[John C. Dvorak]

How about some ICE stuff? I got.

[Adam Curry]

You got ICE stuff? You got ICE stuff. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. NPR up first, ICE tactics.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

By now, you might have seen videos on the news or on social media of federal immigration officers detaining immigrants using what look to be increasingly aggressive tactics.

[John C. Dvorak]

A recent poll by the New York Times and Siena College finds that while a majority of voters support deporting people who entered the country illegally, 51% say the Trump administration's tactics have gone too far.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

NPR criminal justice reporter Meg Anderson has this report on the tactics Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are using. A video from Hyattsville, Maryland, shows a man pinned to the ground by two ICE officers. He pleads in Spanish and English for someone to help him. One officer drops his gun during the exchange and fumbles for it. Then he appears to point it at bystanders.

[Adam Curry]

Put the gun down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put the gun down.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Emily Covington, an assistant director of ICE Public affairs, told NPR in a statement that drawing a weapon can be used to stop a situation from escalating. Another video, this one from the Chicago area, appears to show a man getting shot in the head with a ball containing chemical irritants. Tents outside an ICE facility. That man has sued the Trump administration.

[Adam Curry]

Now, is there more than this one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because you said it goes on, but it's the same thing. It's just complaining.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, they're setting it up. They're setting up for an event. Where BC this is it. These. These guys are no good. This is horrible. This is what you get. We need civil war. These people are eating protein powder, John.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's no doubt about that.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, in Europe, certainly in monarch Europe, they are just psyopping their population. It's like, oh, you know, we've got to take you back in time 80 years.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Sweden is readying for war. Since 2024, it has invested around 7.7 million euros to upgrade its 64,000 shelters built during the Second World War and.

[Adam Curry]

The Cold War, like this one in Sweden's capital of Stockholm.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Dilgam's car park seems like an ordinary.

[Adam Curry]

Underground parking area carved into the rock.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Face, but it can actually also serve.

[Adam Curry]

As a public shelter for 1.2 thousand people.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

It can resist the blast and debris and such things that comes with a bomb. And then it's airtight. So it even resists biogas or chemical gas or even nuclear waste.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

With tensions with Russia increasing since the full scale war in Ukraine, the Swedish government has promised to increase its civil defense budget by seven times. But Johanneson says the money allocated is unlikely to cover the cost of fixing all of the shelters, let alone building new ones. Sweden's civil defense minister warned last year.

[Adam Curry]

That a military attack could not be ruled out. Don't worry, citizens. We're just increasing your taxes and spending it on war stuff because, you know, you know, Russia could attack chemical weapons. We're doing it for your safety, to protect your freedoms. It's really crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Protect your freedoms, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, Geert Wilders, you know, they have the. What's the word? Not decommissioned demissionaire. They have the caretaker government in the Netherlands because the cabinet fell, you know, so, you know, they're gearing up for, you know, Geert Wilders was the one who said, okay, okay, well look, you guys don't want to do anything about these immigrants, then, okay, the cabinet falls. And so elections will be coming up again. And right on cue, we want 60,000.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Syrian refugees in the Netherlands to return to Syria immediately. And we want maybe one of the most important things. We want all criminal foreigners to be deported from the Netherlands.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and the crowd goes crazy. It was in Hungary, so there was no crowd to go crazy. But that's the kind of talk they want to hear now, I believe. Not that. Yeah, probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there's nothing's going to come of it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know it all. It depends on the Dutch. That's, that's really. It depends on them if they want to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

They put up with a lot, it seems to me.

[Adam Curry]

Me. Oh, well, yeah, they do. See, I have some shutdown stuff which.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one shutdown clip.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's play this a federal court. There, there's your, there's your, your, your off, off axis npr. It's only with your NPR Clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

These are all new ones, too.

[Adam Curry]

Did you clip them yourself? Yeah, well, you're.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, there's one clip where I didn't clip myself, actually.

[Adam Curry]

But you're heavy on the right. You're heavy on the right. Here we go. A federal court says President Trump has to stop firing workers during the government shutdown.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

U.S. district Judge Susan Ilston in San.

[Adam Curry]

Francisco issued the ruling after federal agencies started laying off workers last week.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Trump has said he's targeting what he calls Democrat agencies. Democrats say they're not intimidated by Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Blaming them for the layoffs. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says Democrats.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Are holding firm on their demands for.

[Adam Curry]

Congress to extend health care subsidies.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Neither Trump nor congressional Republicans are even trying to solve the health care crisis. That is just a crisis.

[Adam Curry]

Crisis.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The American people.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a crisis.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, Republicans are confident in their strategy to not negotiate with Democrats on health care until the government is reopened. Here's Senate Majority Leader John Thune. I think the American people are won. The Senate Democrats are going to end their temper tantrum and vote to reopen the government.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

A bill to temporarily fund the government again failed in the Senate today.

[Adam Curry]

Government workers are feeling the effects of.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

The shutdown as it stretches into week three.

[Adam Curry]

Gabriella Paul @ member station WUSF spoke.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

With a federal worker who says it's affecting her finances and mental health.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Tierra Carter answers the phones for the Social Security Administration in Tampa. She's working without pay until the shutdown ends. We're stressing about the fight that's going on in the White House. We're also stressing out about how we're going to handle our financial situations at home. Last week, the Trump administration began mass layoffs across several federal agencies. Carter says her department is spared for now. To be completely honest, I feel ashamed to be a American citizen right now. I mean, who does this, this to their own essential workers? Every day the shutdown drags on. Carter says the agency's backlog of service requests grows.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, little slanted the reporting there seems to me just a tad, perhaps. I have NPR pushing the Democrat agenda. Don't give them money.

[Adam Curry]

I was talking to Tom Luongo of the Gold, Guns and Goats podcast, and he said, oh, no, what's really happening here, he says, is they're shutting down all of the climate change stuff. That's why you don't hear about it. He says it's got to be a trillion dollars worth of climate change stuff all over the government that they're shutting down. So the way I understood it is this kind of a red herring. These jobs, the rif, the reduction in force. But it's really money being shut off from climate change stuff, which is probably quite a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stuff is the right word. Scam is the word.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Good morning. I'm an air traffic controller here. Do you want to help aviation safety.

[John C. Dvorak]

By ending the shutdown?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

This member of the air traffic controllers union handed leaflets to travelers outside Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia, Tuesday to highlight the impact of the ongoing government shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

The American worker that lives paycheck to paycheck, which is almost every air traffic controller, cannot last without pay.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

In a social media post, the White House Office and Management and Budget said Tuesday that it is preparing to, quote, ride out the Democrats by continuing to pay troops in law enforcement and more reduction in force notices.

[Donald Trump]

We are closing up Democrat programs that we think that we disagree with and they're never going to open again.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

At a news conference, Democrats called the Trump administration's layoffs illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Firing and threatening to fire federal employees.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is part of the Trump administration's campaign to inflict trauma on our federal workforce.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

House Speaker Mike Johnson has warned this shutdown could be the longest in history as lawmakers remain deadlocked. But President Trump says his administration has identified funds to at least pay the military, a move some Democrats say is likely a little illegal.

[Adam Curry]

My understanding of this is they have.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Every right to move the funds around.

[Adam Curry]

If the Democrats want to go to.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Court and challenge troops being paid.

[Adam Curry]

Bring it.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Erica Brown, CBS News, Capitol Hill.

[Adam Curry]

Bring it. I'm big bad Mike Johnson. Bring it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bring it.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, a rare Jen Psaki clip on the show regarding the regarding.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

The shutdown, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christine, who never passes up the opportunity to get in front of a camera, often in cringy hours outfits, has even gone as far as to tape this video to be played at TSA checkpoints at airports across.

[Adam Curry]

That's Ice Barbie Kristi Noem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, is Kristi Noem. She's talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I'll play it again.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, who never passes up the opportunity to get in front of a camera, often in cringy outfits, has even gone as far as to tape this video to be played at TSA checkpoints at airports across the across the country.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't it just rude for women to make rude comments about their wardrobe? Isn't that something that women just don't do?

[John C. Dvorak]

If there were, if it's a Democrat woman condemning a Republican woman, it's okay.

[Adam Curry]

Protein, popcorn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Democrats in Congress refuse to fund the federal government. And because of this, many of our operations are impacted and most of our TSA employees are working without pay. You know, this is usually the video that's like, stay safe. If you see something, say something, whatever it may be. Now, unfortunately for Noem, that video is not going to be seen by the number of air travelers she had hoped. And that's because airports across the country are refusing to air it. Officials in Buffalo, Charlotte, Cleveland, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Seattle and Portland, Oregon, all have said that the video violates internal policies as well as state and local.

[Adam Curry]

Wow, what a great report, Jen. Can't believe she's still on the air with that stuff. This in from the quad screen. The grand jury indicted John Bolton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that was a foregone conclusion.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but what he was indicted for, we're not sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's for having classified documents on his possession.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's sniffing farts in public. Public.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that could be too, but I don't know what, what the offense is.

[Adam Curry]

Anything's possible. I think we had January 6th stuff. We had that. Oh, yes, we do have a one climate change. Quick clip.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

The UN's climate agency says there was a record increase in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere last year. It says the rate of the increase has tripled since the 1960s. The director of the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service is Carlo Biontempo.

[Adam Curry]

The most surprising element is that we.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Are surprised that we reach a new peak.

[John C. Dvorak]

The main factor has been our additional influx of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

If we continue on this path, we.

[Adam Curry]

Are very likely to see the exceedance.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Of the 1.5 degrees.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, you're going to play that. Let's go back. Let's go back 43 years.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, 43 years ago, that would put me at about 20 something. All right, I'm ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the Climate CBS report from Dan Rather.

[Adam Curry]

1982. Do we need. You know what we need? Hold on a sec. We need a harp. We can't just go back in time without the harp. So people have to feel, feel like we're really doing this. Okay, here we go. Going back in time, no agenda to 1982. Concern about rising temperatures on planet Earth heated up a hearing here in Washington today. For years, scientists have theorized about the dangers of the so called greenhouse effect, the warming of the Earth's atmosphere due to the burning of coal and oil. And in recent months, as David Culhane.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Reports, research has uncovered facts to support that theory.

[Adam Curry]

Many scientists claim that the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere has been rising over the past 100 years, that the great sheets of pack ice in Antarctica are melting at a much more rapid rate than previously. And finally, that the sea level has been rising with increasing swiftness over the past 40 years. If these scientists are correct, about 25% of Florida would be flooded along with low lying areas all over the world. Climate change could produce widespread disruption of agriculture. The American farm belt might be too dry and the wheat and corn crops would have to move to Canada. Scientists blame the odorless, colorless carbon dioxide gas for these potentially dangerous changes around the planet. It is the greenhouse effect. The gas allows sunlight to filter down and warm the Earth. But like the glass of a greenhouse, the carbon dioxide tends to trap heat so that it cannot rise into space. The scientists maintain that the coal, oil and gas we've been burning for a hundred years have produced more and more carbon dioxide and helped overheat the Earth. Now some political leaders endorse the Demands for more CO2 monitoring stations like this one in Hawaii. And they share the anger of the scientists at Reagan administration budget cuts at a time when they feel closer to getting definitive and answers. We are not doing the kind of research that we should be doing to determine whether or not these scientists who.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Are so alarmed are correct in their assessment.

[Adam Curry]

And what they find out will affect the lives and fortunes of millions of people. The very survival of cities like this one. David Culhane, CBS News, New York. That's a great clip. Where'd you get that from?

[John C. Dvorak]

From, I was just floating. Some of us dug it up and it was floating around.

[Adam Curry]

Oh man, 42 years this scam has been.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's 43.

[Adam Curry]

And, and that's after the whole. We're gonna die of frostbite. Yeah, really amazing. Well, before we go to break here, I just want to mention there was a pretty good idea from Kiwi Chris. You know, I've been looking at the prices of our, of the ultimate no agenda meetup at the Sphere. Sphere?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, the Sphere in Vegas.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So it costs about a million and a half dollars to rent the sphere for one 24 hour period and about a million and a half dollars for all the production. And he says, you know, I just heard the plans for the show at the Sphere. I'm, I'm sure would be just magnificent. However, I think you've missed the part that will be the thing that really brings them in. And I thought, you know, we might be able to, to crack this financial nut of $3 million. He says, no Agenda the Musical. And I'm like, this is a great idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think no Agenda the Musical could be a big hit.

[Adam Curry]

I think that our end of show mixers who love their AI so much should be. Should be doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Working on it as we speak.

[Adam Curry]

Musical numbers, he says. All the deconstruction you will ever need sung by John and Adam with special opening dance number by the Keeper, commentary blogger Eli the Coff guy, Linda L. And Brian with an eye. That way you can produce a video, double album, T shirt, songbook. Think of all the merch exit strategy. This is it. No Agenda the musical. It's. It's kind of like the Book of Mormon, only different. I. Yeah, I need your buy. I need. I need your buy in on this. I need your buy in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm all in.

[Adam Curry]

All right. I'm going to show my screen by donating to no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. We got two meetup reports from Texas where a lot of people were hanging out together. It seems like a lot of people from Texas donate in general as well. We do have a night. We've got a pair of secretary generals, of course, the birthday calendar. Everybody wants to hear their birthday. And John is now going to. To thank the producers who supported us. $50 and above.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, I want to play this bonus clip.

[Adam Curry]

Bonus clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It turns out that the world. What's the date today?

[Adam Curry]

Today is October 16th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's weird. Because on October 14th, the world should have had this massive change because of some resonance. Well, play this clip and it'll take us. Well, I could save this.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no. Now I want to hear it. Is this the Schumann resonance?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. I don't know what resident resonance this is, but it was supposed to, you know, like the 14th. We weren't. We're going to have a different world and it's the 16th and I don't see it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I want to hear it now.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Marked it date on 14th October. We are experiencing something extraordinary, which is timelessness, because the past, the future and the present will become one and. No, this doesn't happen every October 14th. This is a once in history alignment known as the golden intersection of timelines. So exactly 443 years ago, Pope Gregory the 13th changed the calendar and the story distorted the natural flow of time. He reformed time itself. And with that, we began living in disharmony. We are constantly running after time Instead of flowing with nature, time is not linear, it is a spiral. And our calendar doesn't acknowledge that. And that's what we're being reminded of on the 14th of October. Why that date? Because 1582, Pope Gregory signed the decree that introduced his calendar. Until October 14, 2025, there are precisely 161.803 days. And that number mirrors the golden ratio. This is the divine proportion. It is found everywhere in the universe, in seashells, galaxies, flowers, even within our DNA. Also, October 14th is celebrated as World Standards Day, the date that humanity chose to honor the global standardization of measurements, measurement, and time. But what makes this day truly extraordinary is that three great calendars, the Mayan Long Count, the Tzolkin, and the Gregorian calendar, all synchronize through this same harmonic code on this day. So on October 14th and 15th, artificial time finally aligns with natural time, and that creates a window of perfect harmony. So this will be a moment to remember that harmony. Harmony is not an idea. It is a frequency. And on these days, that frequency will be playing out. So we will be reminded of what it feels like to move with time and not against it. Because this isn't just about numbers or calendars. This is about resonance. So if you want to dive deeper into this and prepare yourself for this energy on the 14th, feel free to join my live stream on Friday where I will dive deeper with you into the golden intersections of timelines. To join, just read the caption. Lila. Blessings and thank you for tuning in.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. We lost everybody.

[Donald Trump]

Now.

[Adam Curry]

That was the worst clip ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a great clip. There you are again, condemning my great clips. Let's get that. Like our. Like, who was it?

[Adam Curry]

Great.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was her name?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, the one person. The one person. Well, I got another one, so there's two, but that was. This would have been great to play on October 13th or the 12th.

[John C. Dvorak]

We didn't have a show on October 13th.

[Adam Curry]

We had a show on. On the 12th that would have been perfect. Was this a Dutch woman, by the way? She sounded Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

She did sound funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funny. All right. Now we can thank our producers. $50.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's start with anonymous. And Alpharetta, Georgia came in. 105.35. No need to mention me.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

She writes Quinterox. Quinterox in Brandon, Florida. 105. 35. Here's a Benny.

[Adam Curry]

We love the Bennies. A Benjamin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Benjamin. That's what that is. Okay, Kevin McLaughlin in Concord, North Carolina. He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of American melons and boobs and wants to save them.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

8,008. William McFarland, Manassas, Virginia. 70, for his 70th birthday. Coming up, Rick Thomas. Thomas. Another fabulous bitcoin donation of 69 bucks, and he's got a plug. The veteran Bitcoin Veterans Summit in Nashville. Look it up. Stephen Schumach in Xenia, Ohio. 6480. Christopher Dector, 5678. Unnamed knight in Padova, Italy. Padua, I think, is what we'd call it.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

55. 55. James Edmondson in South Plainfield, New Jersey. 5510. Evgeny Damaskine in Boston. 55. And he's 55 today. Luke Munell. Luke Monell in Los Angeles. 5272. Viscount sir, economic hitman. There he is in Tombol, Texas. 550 01. The rest of these are $50 donors. There's not a lot of them, starting with Brandon Savoie in Port Orchard, Washington. Patricia Worthington in Miami Beach, Miami. Sorry, Dame Patricia, as it were. Diane Schwaneback in Johnsburg, Illinois. Kevin Dills in Huntersville, North Carolina. Easy landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut. Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada. And last on the the list, a very short list for the old day. Not very good, but it has to do. Philip ballou in Louisville, Kentucky. Thank these folks for show 1808.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And thanks again to our executive and associate executive producers for bringing us the heat for episode 1808. And if you want to support the best podcast in the. In the universe, the only way to do that is to just send us some value. Whatever you get out of the show, send it right back to us. Noagendadonations.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Com.

[Adam Curry]

And here is our list, which is completely free of charge for those of you asking about it. Just let us know what birthday wishes you want to do. We're happy to put it on if June Evgenie Damaskine, she turned 55 on the 12th. We just heard that, Dan. Happy birthday to his oldest human resource, Beckett turns 13 today. Happy birthday, Beckett, sir, being of the BMWs and Bulls Bulldogs. Happy birthday to his son, Jack Tesla Roediger turned 16 on the 16th.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's today.

[Adam Curry]

Alex wishes his smoking hot wife Sarah a very happy birthday today. And William McFarland turned 70 years old. We say happy birthday for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We've got two secretary generals coming in just under the wire, which is very good.

[John C. Dvorak]

And can I say something?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That secretary General's jingle is driving me nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

I hear it all day. It's just like a bug. It's like one of those worms. What do you call it?

[Adam Curry]

Ear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Worm.

[Adam Curry]

Earworm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Earworm. It's an earworm.

[Adam Curry]

So do you want me to get.

[John C. Dvorak]

For some reason I just keep hearing this song when I go to bed. I'm hearing it all during the day. I'm be. I'll be glad when this. When this is over.

[Adam Curry]

This promotion will end very soon. It is time to hail them. And we say congratulations to the secretary general Lubor Benda and secretary general of the carnivore nation. Both of you should go to noagendarings.com let us know where to send these handsome certificates. Every everybody will know that you are a secretary general of the no agenda show. All hail to the secretary generals on the note agenda show. And we have one knight who as we know donated to 222.22. So bring out your 20 to your. Your row of duck sword there if you don't mind. The one that you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got it right.

[Adam Curry]

There it is perfect. Ron Sherman, step on up. Sir, I know you didn't want anything special for the round table. We do have special stuff for you because it's always special at the round table for the no agenda knights and dames. Thanks. I almost cut myself. Thanks to your support in the amount of $1,000 or more which you tally up and gave us the accounting. I am very proud to pronounce the KD as sir fungus among us. And for you we have hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay. Along with that we've got some harless and haldol. We got redheads and ryes. We got gates of the sake, black and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always as you are grazing around the roundtable you've got your mutton and your meat. Go to noagendarings.com everybody can check out those handsome knight and dame rings. They are signet rings so it comes with the wax. You can use those to seal your important correspondence. A certificate of authenticity. And of course let us know what your ring size is. And we look forward to hailing you as a knight of the no agenda roundtable. And now it's time for our meetup. No agenda. All right. We had a lot of people at these meetups. Everybody has to get their little two cents in. So the first one is dirty Jersey. Who organ organized The Johnson city meetup on 10 October, one day before the Fredericksburg meetup. And here's the report.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Hey, this is Rudy. I'm just out here looking for some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Big cans, coffee cans, that is big ones.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Filling it for Daniel because he dropped the mic. Well, it was beeping so I thought it was recording.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Brian with an eye in the morning. Hey, this is Daniel, AKA Dirty Jersey.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

We're here at the Johnson City night.

[Adam Curry]

Before the storm meetup.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

We're having a big time here in Johnson, Texas. So I'm the new secretary general of.

[Adam Curry]

Converting factories back to farms itm.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the second meetup and it's.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Just as good as the first. Looking forward to seeing everybody tomorrow.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Dean Tracy here in Jefferson City.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glad to be invited and having a great time and hope to come back soon.

[Adam Curry]

Sir K Break here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hanging out here at Johnson City and it is the Pecan street brewing.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

This is Robbie and I had something.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Witty to say but I forgot it. This is Patty in the morning. This is Melinda.

[Adam Curry]

I should not have had that second drink. Wow, very noisy there. And a lot of the same people, including our secretary general of the stop the factories go to the form the farm. What's her name? Janice. Janice Giles, I think. Jan. Janet. Janet G. There you go. She also showed up in Fredericksburg. This is a. This was a very big meetup.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Hey, it's Tina the keeper in the.

[Adam Curry]

Morning and it's the pod father. And this has been our best J6 or Jenny outfit meetup yet. And thank you to Gail and Matt. This is Aaron from Abilene in the morning.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

In the morning. This is Baron Serotonin coming all the way from Fort Worth. This is Brendan from Local 5 toll.

[Adam Curry]

Saying in the morning. Hi there, I am Caleb Funk. I'm here with my smoking hot wife.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

And we are over informed and under socialized.

[Adam Curry]

This is Chris from Round Rock in the morning.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Hey, I'm Chris from Washington. This is great. Got to meet a bunch of new people and everybody was really friendly.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Dame Tracy of the Roman, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

And I.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

This is my first time at the big meetup. I got to meet Adam and the keeper.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, this is Darius from Centerpoint, Texas. It was a great time. Hey, this is dirty Jersey whore. We miss you. Matt in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Baron Scott, soon to be.

[Adam Curry]

Viscount Scott and keeper Christine getting ready to celebrate our 18th wedding anniversary the.

[Donald Trump]

Day after the show's anniversary in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is sir Brian with an eye.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

From Cedar park and I just met.

[Adam Curry]

Some lovely Dutch people.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Hi, we're Max And Emma, the Dutch people in the in.

[Donald Trump]

Hi.

[Adam Curry]

This is Insanite sir Tim of the Domstead.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Okay. This is Dame Mary of the Domstead. We're in Lukenbach, Texas.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

This is Duke of the South Patrick.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Howdy. FEMA region number four checking in Memphis.

[Adam Curry]

Up in the morning. This is Gordon Myers from Dripping Springs, Texas. Hey, this is Ryder.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

My name's Holly. We just moved to Texas from Colorado, but I'm from Washington state in the morning. This is Alyssa.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Jamie.

[Adam Curry]

We have our human resources here.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

We're wondering where our friend Casey is.

[Adam Curry]

If you're listening, reach out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Adam Curry]

This is just Greg in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

This is Karen Myers, everybody. Have a good day.

[Adam Curry]

Hi.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

It's Con El Lingus from Austin, Texas.

[Donald Trump]

Hey.

[Adam Curry]

This is Marco from central Oregon. Pleased to meet you. Hey, you guys, thanks for being there in the morning.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

This is Nick from Austin.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

I'm Nikki from Abilene. Oh, hello. John in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Paul Bailey.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Don't forget to get the Godcaster app.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Ralph from Durango, Colorado.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Hey.

[Adam Curry]

This is Rob, your constitutional lawyer, bringing.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You speech that is free for the usual fee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It's Todd in the morning, ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trinidad having a blast at Fredericksburg meetup. This is Gary McBride, the second worst bartender in the county here at 1776 Bar. And if you missed it, you missed it.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Hi, my name is Leslie Stewart and I am helping out at the Full Moon Inn as a bartender. And the no Agenda folks are amazing, amazing people. And it's been so fun to be here in the morning. It's Gail standing in for Matt. We've had a great crowd.

[Adam Curry]

This is great.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I can't wait to go to another.

[Adam Curry]

One in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoo.

[Adam Curry]

That was a big meetup. We've got a meetup taking place today. The North Idaho Sanity Brigade October meetup, 5 o' clock at Trails End Brewery and Brick Oven Pizza. That's in Coeur d'. Alene. Also Today, Charlotte's Thirsty 3rd Thursday monthly meetup that'll kick off at 7 tonight at Edge Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina. On Saturday, there's a new location for the Dallas Fort Worth Mid Cities meetup. That's 11:30 in the morning at Chef Point Cafe in Coley, Texas. Also On Saturday the 37th, no agenda meetup in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Hall's Tavern and Coventry. That's at noon. And also on Saturday, all aboard. Number 68, Santa Fe Cafe, Fullerton, California. That's another flight of the no Agendas. I guess they're gonna be looking at Trains again. And we have the no Agenda Ohio meetup at 5:30 at Dempsey's Tavern on Saturday in Columbus, Ohio. And finally, finally the Sunday show will be accompanied by Meetup DB's Pat Surprise Birthday Party, Michigan Local 1 holding that at 2:00 clock at Horrocks Farm Market Beer Garden in Lansing, Michigan. Just some of the smattering of no agenda meetups that take place all around the globe. We have them literally all around the globe. Go to noagendameetups.com to find out where they are. If you can't find one near you, just start one yourself. It's fun, easy and all. Always a party. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

All the nights and days.

[Adam Curry]

You wanna be where you won't be triggered or hell's lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

And we end this party as always with John's tip of the day coming up in just moments. And of course we always want to find a fun ISO to end the show with. And I see you have. What do you have? You have two here. Three. I'm sorry, you have three. Don't get mad. Don't get mad. Get even. Don't get mad, get even.3 meter 3 isos. Well, maybe I should start with mine then. So I start with my. Mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I. Please. I believe so. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

10 out of 10.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

It's awesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knocked out of the park. It's not bad.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, it's terminated.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not bad. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then of course I had. Where's my. Huh. I lost it. Where's the. Yeah, this one I like this one I still like. Shut up. I still like that one. I can't help myself. All right, what do you. You got?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, we had a seance.

[Adam Curry]

A seance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And we got a. I got a clip which I think find some use someplace. But it's not going to be a good end of show mix thing. But this is. Yeah, we, we. We conjured up Walter cronkite on the AI.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

On 11 lines.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it was a seance.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we recorded it. And here it is.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide an invaluable public service. They guide their listeners through the thick jungle of that the mainstream news media have planted using machetes of truth and logic. Wow. I like that one a lot. I don't mind using that one. That's cool. That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He made a point.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he made a very good point. Our old Walter Cronkite. It didn't sound like him at all. But I mean, he's a ghost that came as a seance, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What are you going to. What are you going to do?

[Adam Curry]

What are your other.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could have been the recording gear.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yes, probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got Rubble.

[Adam Curry]

Rubble. Okay. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then we have another dude came into the seances. Kennedy. John Kennedy. The senator.

[Adam Curry]

Well, hot damn, that was a real humdinger. That's actually better than Cronkite. Well, hot ding damn, that was a real humdinger. Oh, you know, why don't I use this at the end when the mic drop comes, and then I'll play Cronkite as an extra bonus. End of show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Perfect. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And before all that, though, we get another John's tip of the Day.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Great advice for you and me.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm not going to do this too often, but I'm going to do it this time.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is I'm going to recommend a movie.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

As a tip of the day.

[Donald Trump]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's not a movie you can just go see and it's not out. It's a movie you're going to have to track down or you have to get on Turner Classic Movies. I just played it recently. I saw it again for about the fifth time, and I have to say, this movie is important. Important to listeners of this particular show.

[Adam Curry]

Let me guess, let me guess. The internationalist.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's a good movie. I like that movie.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

That wasn't the movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Manchurian Candidate.

[Adam Curry]

And that's from the 50s. 60s.

[John C. Dvorak]

50S or 60s. Yeah, but it's like, it is such a outstanding movie with Angela Lansbury playing the heavy. She plays a character who's basically Hillary Clinton.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she play. And she's such a good actress. You, you know, you think of her as some sort of a goofball actress, you know, doing Murder, She Wrote or whatever. No, no, she was a solid actress and she plays a very nasty character in this movie. But it's a. Starring Frank Sinatra.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this movie. And I've seen it and seen it and seen it, and every time I watch it, it's like it's. It's a fabulous film and people should find a way to watch it or find a way to track a copy to down. If you have to download it, just get a copy of this film.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, everybody, it's not a film, John. It is cinema.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it is cinema.

[Adam Curry]

Cinema. It is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those days are over.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the troll room was guessing Dab Debbie Does Dallas and all kinds of other films. But no, no one expected to hear the Manchurian Candidate. Another fantastic tip of the day. Find them [e-mail] advice for you and me, just the tip with JCD and.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Sometimes Adam created by Dana Bernetti.

[Adam Curry]

And that does it, everybody. But that doesn't mean that your fun is done. No. No, because oh goodness. We have congressional dish running on the stream. Interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Haven't heard Jen Briany in a while. There's her golf club swing again. That's coming up next on NoEndesLastream.com of course, you can always tune into NoAgenLastream.com 24 hours a day. There's always something interesting. Many of them are live. Get your modern podcast app to be alerted when they go live. Particularly these, those guys from Planet Planet Rage. I like, I like that show. End of show mixes. We have, let's see, we've got Agent Looper and we have. It's been two weeks in a row. We have another one from the clip custodian himself, Neil Jones. So stay tuned for that. And as always, I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, home of the J6 or Jenny meetups. Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's actually nice out today, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

We'll be back on Sunday. Please join us for more media deconstruction and whatever happened to John Bolton? Remember us at no agenda donations.com until then, adios mo fos hui hooey and such.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Because all countries need allies, here is.

[John C. Dvorak]

A group of people who we can use as the theoreticians and the executors of the US Policy that we we want.

[Adam Curry]

And Israel is an ally.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

It's a fighting ally that pulls its weight.

[Adam Curry]

America's landed aircraft carrier.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're the junior partner.

[Adam Curry]

We have fought now seven front war. We have an eighth front.

[John C. Dvorak]

The infosphere is the eighth front. And seizing the high ground in the fight for global public opinion is a battle.

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

He told these people, I think they're going to kill me.

[Adam Curry]

Who is they?

[Various Interviewees/Officials]

Tar le writes in this group chat just lost another huge Jewish donor. Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Reporters in Gaza are Palestinians. And those people fall into three categories. Some of them identify with Hamas, some of them are intimidated. And the third category is people who actually belong to Hamas. The ap, like all of its sister organizations, collaborates with Hamas. Censorship in Gaza. What does that mean? The center of the coverage will be a number, a casualty number that is provided to the press by something called the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas. And it's a way of basically settling the story before you get into any other information.

[Adam Curry]

You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it. Is that clear? You think you merely stopped a business deal.

[Donald Trump]

That is not the case.

[Adam Curry]

The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country and now they.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Must put it back.

[Adam Curry]

It is ebb and flow.

[Donald Trump]

Title gravity.

[Adam Curry]

It is ecological balance.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You are an old man, man who.

[Adam Curry]

Thinks in terms of nations and peoples.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

There are nations, there are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs.

[Adam Curry]

There are no third worlds.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

There is no West. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems.

[Adam Curry]

There is no west, there is no West.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

One vast and humane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate.

[Adam Curry]

Multinational dominion of dollars.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Petrodollars, electro dollars, multi dollars, Reich marks.

[Adam Curry]

Rims, rubles, pounds and shekels.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe. Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org na well, hot damn, that was a real humdinger. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak provide an invaluable public service. They guide their listeners through the thick jungle of that the mainstream news media have planted using machetes of truth and logic.