1810 - "golfball"

Summary

No Agenda Show Episode 1810: "golfball"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: October 23, 2025

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Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deconstruct media narratives with their signature wit and skepticism, focusing on recent breaking news in sports, internet outages, the evolution of digital content, AI scandals, global geopolitics, and the political firestorm over White House renovations. As always, they dissect mainstream reporting, poke fun at society’s digital hang-ups, and riff on the latest cultural phenomena—all while maintaining the irreverent, critical tone that defines the No Agenda ethos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Betting Scandal & Media Hype

• Timestamps: 00:55–03:19
• Summary:
  The hosts react to breaking news of NBA player Terry Rozier and Portland Trailblazers coach Chauncey Billups being arrested in an FBI sports betting sting. Adam and John note suspicious betting patterns from a 2023 game and decry the "phoniness" of modern sports.
  • Insight: Prop bets and "underperformance" create opportunities for match manipulation, challenging the integrity of American sports.
  • Memorable Quote:

    "Your art is fake, your music is fake, your sports ball is fake. The world is fake and phony. Welcome, everybody, to the show." – John C. Dvorak [02:37]

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2. Super Bowl Halftime: Bad Bunny vs. All-American Show

• Timestamps: 03:30–05:41
• Summary:
  Discussion of Bad Bunny as Super Bowl halftime performer, the emergence of an "All American Halftime Show" streaming concurrently online, and skepticism about shifting traditional viewing habits.
  • John quips that most people watch for the ads, but both hosts admit iconic ads are increasingly hard to recall.
  • Quote:

    "No one watches the Super Bowl for ads anymore." – John C. Dvorak [04:54]

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3. Major Internet Outage: What It Revealed

• Timestamps: 05:47–07:44
• Summary:
  Analysis of a global AWS outage affecting platforms like Snapchat, Disney+, and McDonald's, and commentary on the centralization of internet infrastructure.
  • Adam and John advocate decentralization ("Decentralize or die") and mock the notion that essential infrastructure was truly interrupted.
  • Quotes:

    "No Agenda show downloads did not suffer from any glitch. The no Agenda stream, the troll room, everything kept on rolling because we decentralized. Decentralize or die, people." – John C. Dvorak [07:21]

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4. McDonald’s Automation and the Push for Mobile Apps

• Timestamps: 08:31–10:30
• Summary:
  Frustration at McDonald’s drive-thru employees pushing the app, revealing corporate incentives to automate labor and phase out human interactions.
  • Quote:

    "They're trying to train every... to use your phone for everything so they can elim--- the drive-thru window..." – Adam Curry [09:37]

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5. Instagram “Gore” Glitch and Monetization of Violent Content

• Timestamps: 11:44–19:21
• Summary:
  CBS report on Instagram’s algorithm glitch flooding users with graphic content, the rise of a "gray market" for ads between violent posts, and the questionable speed of legacy media reporting.
  • College students profit from "gore" content, while Meta claims efforts to restrict monetization.
  • Quotes:

    "A CBS News investigation found violent and graphic content depicting injury or death, known as 'gore', remains widespread on Instagram reels." – [16:01]
    "There's advertising going on in between the gore." – John C. Dvorak [16:42]

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6. AI, Lawsuits, and Podcasting Opportunities

• Timestamps: 23:08–34:32
• Summary:
  The hosts mock Nvidia’s CEO for his leather jacket, dissect AI industry hype, and discuss a lawsuit against Google for AI-generated defamation.
  • They brainstorm AI-driven music publishing under a faux-pop star persona, Ashlyn Speed, and the microeconomics of the coming AI-generated content boom.
  • Quote:

    "Decentralize or die, people.... Now, this is the time to be the publisher for AI music." – John C. Dvorak [30:03]

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7. Ukraine, Russia, and Geopolitical Maneuvering

• Timestamps: 35:04–52:50
• Summary:
  Deconstruction of diplomatic updates and sanctions surrounding Ukraine and Russia.
  • Trump administration’s sanction strategy, EU’s stance, and jet deliveries to Ukraine illustrate geopolitical posturing and virtue signaling.
  • The "letter of intent" culture in Europe is lampooned.
  • Quotes:

    "Is this just virtue signaling? This doesn't sound like a real deal at all." – John C. Dvorak [45:01]
    “We’re on the war option.” – John C. Dvorak [52:08]

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8. US–Australia Critical Minerals Pact & Rare Earths

• Timestamps: 53:28–57:26
• Summary:
  Analysis of a new US-Australia deal on critical minerals, sparking debate on supply chain fragility and just-in-time logistics reliance.
  • AI-computer voice breaks down real capabilities of Australian rare earth processing.
  • Quote:

    "Watch this space. In other words, no." – Adam Curry [56:26]

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9. Council on Foreign Relations and Trade Policy Rant

• Timestamps: 58:07–64:22
• Summary:
  Peter Navarro's speech on the dangers of deindustrialization, TPP, and the CFR’s policies, drawing comparisons between economic and national security.
  • Adam and John debate whether Navarro is sincerely lecturing or knowingly needling CFR members.
  • Quote:

    “You cannot project power if you surrender production. You cannot deter a great aggression when your supply chains run through your opponent's ports.” – Peter Navarro [62:14]

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10. French Louvre Jewel Heist and Bureaucratic Incompetence

• Timestamps: 64:06–66:04
• Summary:
  Amused reaction to a $102 million Louvre jewel theft, with thieves donning hard hats and exploiting new management’s ineptitude.
  • Gender/diversity hiring decisions are mocked.
  • Quote:

    "All you need is hard hats and a clipboard and you can do anything you want." – John C. Dvorak [64:06]

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11. White House Ballroom Renovation Outrage

• Timestamps: 66:16–89:41
• Summary:
  Detailed coverage of Trump’s controversial White House ballroom addition and the media’s "pearl clutching" reactions. NPR, CNN, and Inside Edition all present outrage about historic preservation and ethics concerns.
  • Discussion of private funding sources, possible corporate branding, and the hyperbolic analogies drawn.
  • Quotes:

    "Is this portion of the ballroom brought to you by Pfizer?" – John C. Dvorak [73:07]
    "This is just an extension of No Kings ... whatever it is, just be mad at Trump." – John C. Dvorak [79:18]
    "The White House is a living building ... but this is really the biggest addition since the 1940s." – Historic Preservation Guest [83:31]

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12. Government Shutdown, SNAP Benefits, and Food Security

• Timestamps: 90:13–102:49
• Summary:
  The hosts break down congressional gridlock, the shutdown’s effects on SNAP/food stamp recipients, and the cultural responses across demographic lines.
  • Collection of viral, often profane, social media clips of people threatening theft if SNAP benefits are cut.
  • Banter on dependence, fraud, and alternatives (food banks, informal networks).
  • Quotes:

    "So you could do like a trial balloon in the press." – Adam Curry [45:37]
    "The problem is ... the dependence on this to the tune of ... $60 billion per year." – Adam Curry [103:10]

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13. War on Beef and Food System Alternatives

• Timestamps: 111:34–119:59
• Summary:
  President Trump’s controversial move to import Argentinian beef draws ire from US ranchers, as Adam & John recommend buying directly from local producers, promoting decentralization in the food system.
  • Quote:

    "BeefMap.com—find a rancher near you...Drive up and you can buy a lot of beef for relatively little amount." – John C. Dvorak [113:35]

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14. AI, Podcast Economics, and Media Model Rants

• Timestamps: 123:07–128:45
• Summary:
  Discussion of podcast advertising history, the collapse of banner ad revenue, and No Agenda’s value-for-value philosophy as an antidote to algorithmic platforms and ad buyers’ “dumbness.”
  • Quote:

    "When the first ads came ... they were getting $100 a thousand, ... Now I've heard as low as 75 cents, down from a hundred dollars." – Adam Curry [127:05]

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15. Dutch Anti-Immigration Protests and European Policy

• Timestamps: 169:56–177:00
• Summary:
  Analysis of grassroot protests against asylum centers in the Netherlands, the clash between nationalist protesters and pro-immigrant leftists, and Ursula von der Leyen’s EU policy statements.
  • Quotes:

    "Legal migration is welcome, and we will need more of it. But illegal migration is not." – Ursula von der Leyen [176:45]
    "This is just what she's saying ... we're bringing in a whole new replacement." – John C. Dvorak [176:45]

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16. Gaza/Israel: Body Swaps and Annexation Drama

• Timestamps: 181:00–184:00
• Summary:
  Media reports on the corpse exchange in Gaza under the Trump ceasefire plan, and ongoing Israeli parliamentary maneuvers to annex West Bank land.

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17. Closing Banter: Podcast Community, Donations, and AI Mixes

• Timestamps: 190:02–218:07
• Summary:
  Classic end-of-show community engagement: reading producer notes, reflecting on 18 years of No Agenda, technical tips, and playful AI-generated music mixes.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "Your art is fake, your music is fake, your sports ball is fake. The world is fake and phony. Welcome, everybody, to the show."
  – John C. Dvorak [02:37]

• "Decentralize or die, people."
  – John C. Dvorak [07:21]

• "They're trying to train every... to use your phone for everything so they can eliminate the drive-thru window..."
  – Adam Curry [09:37]

• "There's advertising going on in between the gore."
  – John C. Dvorak [16:42]

• "No one watches the Super Bowl for ads anymore."
  – John C. Dvorak [04:54]

• "Is this the new Barry Weiss editorial ship? Is Barry Weiss behind this?"
  – Adam Curry [19:21]

• "This is just virtue signaling. This doesn't sound like a real deal at all."
  – John C. Dvorak [45:01]

• "Memo to CFR: You cannot project power if you surrender production. You cannot deter aggression when your supply chains run through your opponent's ports."
  – Peter Navarro [62:14]

• "Is this portion of the ballroom brought to you by Pfizer?"
  – John C. Dvorak [73:07]

• "We're not letting Silicon Valley steal your audience now. We don't have an audience. Luckily, we have producers."
  – Adam Curry [125:24]

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Additional Memorable Moments

• Wild tangents on podcast ad economics and the importance of value-for-value as a content funding model.
• Outlandish but pointed arguments about the future of automated fast food, AI-generated music stables, and the infiltration of AI in legal liability.
• Recurring jokes about “Hollywood boy” Dana Brunetti and friendly ribbing over golfing skills and podcast scuffles.

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Useful Timestamps for Major Segments

• NBA Betting Scandal: 00:55–03:19
• Super Bowl & Ads: 03:30–05:41
• Internet Outage & Decentralization: 05:47–07:44
• McDonald’s Automation: 08:31–10:30
• Instagram gore content: 11:44–19:21
• AI lawsuits/music: 23:08–34:32
• Ukraine/Russia coverage: 35:04–52:50
• US-Australia minerals: 53:28–57:26
• CFR/Navarro: 58:07–64:22
• Louvre heist: 64:06–66:04
• White House ballroom: 66:16–89:41
• SNAP benefits/shutdown: 90:13–102:49
• Beef/food system: 111:34–119:59
• Podcast ads/model: 123:07–128:45
• Dutch protests/EU: 169:56–177:00
• Gaza/Israel annexation: 181:00–184:00

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Tone & Language

• Original, irreverent, skeptical: Adam and John use sarcasm and dry humor, lampooning both mainstream and alternative media, often with in-jokes for their producer-listeners.
• Banter-heavy, yet incisive: The show alternates between sharp deconstruction and self-aware asides about their own community, sustainability models, and topical knowledge.

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Closing

With episode 1810, No Agenda delivers another marathon of media deconstruction, digital culture commentary, and contemporary folklore, all while inviting their listeners to be active producers in the show’s continued longevity and resistance to mainstream capture.

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Summary prepared for listeners who want a comprehensive yet lively recap of No Agenda’s “golfball” episode—complete with direct quotations, segment highlights, and all the subversive, pearl-clutching fun that defines the show.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Why would I want to use my app? I'm standing right here. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, October 23rd, 2025. This is your award winning Gimmonation Media assassination episode 18. This is no agenda betting on sportsball and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where whatever happened to Putin, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot buzz kill. Oh wait a minute. Isn't he dying of Parkinson's disease? I thought he was. I thought he was a goner. Man, he goes.

[Adam Curry]

Remember he looked bad saying that years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, well that's what I'm still waiting for. I'm still waiting.

[Adam Curry]

Bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm waiting for it. Of course his boo.

[Adam Curry]

It's built like a bear. So where's the meeting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see the breaking news this morning? Breaking news, breaking news. Every the quad screen had it all, even the BBC. Breaking news.

[Adam Curry]

I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Breaking.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some breaking news is catching everybody by surprise. The FBI arresting by surprise b A player Terry Rozier early this morning in.

[Adam Curry]

Connection with a widespread sports betting investigation. And he's not the only one.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is huge news. Nate Ford joins us live from Brooklyn with the latest morning breaking.

[Adam Curry]

Hey guys, good morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Breaking news that is sure to rock the sports world. You mentioned Terry Rook here and he's not the only Chauncey Billups, the head coach of the Portland trail Blazers and a multi time all star, a finals MVP back in his playing days, also arrested this morning as part of an FBI investigation into illegal sports gambling. Now Rozier, he was arrested in Orlando this morning and he was there because the Miami Heat played the Orlando Magic last night. Rozier was active for that game but he did not play as part of a coach's decision. Now this all comes after the Wall street journal reported back January that Rozier was under federal investigation related to a.

[John C. Dvorak]

2023 game back when he played for.

[Adam Curry]

The Charlotte Hornets where there was a surge of suspicious gambling activity related to the under on his performance with points.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rebounds and assists in a game where Rogier ended up leaving after about 10.

[Adam Curry]

Minutes with an ankle injury. So the Wall Street Journal report report detailed it so that it appeared that perhaps Rozier was accused of changing his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Performance in order for other people to.

[Adam Curry]

Make money on his bets or on their bets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there it is. Your art is fake. Your music is Fake. Your sports ball is fake. The world is fake and phony. Welcome, everybody, to the show.

[Adam Curry]

We talked about this before, which is the prop bets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. That was a prop bet on his underperformance. Well, wow. Okay. That's easy to do. Oh, I don't feel good. I think I'll walk off the field.

[Adam Curry]

Walk off the court or I hurt myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is fantastic. It's all fake.

[Adam Curry]

But did these two guys. Come on. This has got to be a rampant problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, no. That was just the breaking news. I mean, the FBI says it's tied to the mob. It's ongoing. The coverage is wall to wall, is breaking. It's breaking my screen. It's so.

[Adam Curry]

It's so brave and it's so important.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, of course not, but it's still funny. No, what's important. Oh, no, what's important is Bad Bunny. This is.

[Adam Curry]

There's a long pause there for a reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Because you're like, what is Bad Bunny?

[Adam Curry]

We know about Bad Bunny. You're the last on the block. This is old news. You're going to start to discuss it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just. It pops up again. They do this and they do Bad Bunny. If it's old news, I guess I don't have to play any clips because everybody knows it already. Everybody knows.

[Adam Curry]

So, yeah, Bad Bunny thing. The Bad Bunny thing began when they announced it, which was weeks ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But now they announced an alternative halftime show.

[Adam Curry]

Did you know that's called Go into the Kitchen and Make Some Food?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's the. I think it's called the All American. All American Halftime Show.

[Adam Curry]

Which will be put on a different channel.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's going to be on the Internet, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that'll do it. There's nothing more convenient than putting the Internet on your TV.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what do you mean on your.

[Adam Curry]

Big screen TV while you're watching the Super Bowl?

[John C. Dvorak]

YouTube. YouTube is easy. People put YouTube on. It'll be streaming on YouTube. I think that's pretty easy. You don't think so?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I can do it. I have the equipment to do it. But I'm watching the Super Bowl. I did, probably. If I'm a typical viewer of the Super Bowl, I like to see the ads and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no one. Nobody watches the super bowl for ads anymore. I don't watch it. No, please.

[Adam Curry]

They still do.

[John C. Dvorak]

They still do. One iconic ad from the super bowl. From the past five Super Bowls.

[Adam Curry]

The 1984 Apple ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. There it is. Iconic from 1984. It was great. I think the Burger King where's the beef? That was probably one.

[Adam Curry]

No, that wasn't a Super bowl ad. That was all played everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how about what's up? We had that one.

[Adam Curry]

That was not a Super Bowl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so you're proving my point.

[Adam Curry]

You cannot name the Super Bowl. That would be the Herding Cats, I think would be the one. Would be people remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What was the brand? What was the brand?

[Adam Curry]

A cat herding company.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, you don't. There's nothing is assured. You don't know if you'll be in. You don't know if there's going to be an Internet.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

An error message popping up on Snapchat.

[John C. Dvorak]

The message predominantly by teens, just one.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Of the many apps affected after a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Global outage hit the cloud services of Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

According to a website which monitors problems.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

On the Internet, the outage has impacted companies hitting platforms linked to McDonald's texting service, Signal and Disney Plus.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. Just listen to all the crap that didn't work. Everything is completely non essential. Nothing that went down was important really in your life at all.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Amazon's cloud is used by international companies and governments as well. In the United Kingdom, the country's tax authority was facing disruptions.

[Adam Curry]

Amazon Web Services provides on demand cloud.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Computing, data storage and other offerings as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

AWS competes with Google and the Microsoft cloud.

[Adam Curry]

Monday's outage is the first major Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disruption to hit on a global scale.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

After last year's crowdstrike malfunctioned, impacting operations.

[John C. Dvorak]

In banks, hospitals and airports.

[Adam Curry]

According to analysts. It demonstrates just how dependent the vast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Majority of global companies and governments have.

[Adam Curry]

Become on a handful of American tech firms. An initial investigation from Amazon suggests the.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Problem stemmed from a critical infrastructure zone in Virginia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no. Why don't you just say what it really was? DNS.

[Adam Curry]

They can't say what it really was because they don't know how to pronounce DNS.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like a phone book that helps you find the computers on the Internet. It was a glitch. I will note that the no Agenda show downloads did not suffer from any glitch. The no Agenda stream, the troll room, everything kept on rolling because we decentralized. Decentralize or die, people.

[Adam Curry]

Everyone can decentralize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but they don't. Why?

[Adam Curry]

Is it that much cheaper?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. In fact, I think it's more expensive. I think it's just.

[Adam Curry]

Wait a minute, let me get this straight. It's more expensive and less secure and not a good idea?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's.

[Adam Curry]

But that's what they're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know if you'd say less secure but not a good idea. I'm all in on that. Yeah, of course it's not a good idea. Of course not. But also notice they say the Internet went down. No, a bunch of dumb apps and your McDonald's. The McDonald's app, where every single time I go through the drive thru, which is not often. Welcome to mama lap. It took me at least five drive throughs to understand what they were talking about.

[Adam Curry]

I go through the McDonald's window once.

[John C. Dvorak]

About once a quarter.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, that, that, that's. We're actually eating. But once in a while I just go through to harass them. No, I get an ice cream cone once in a while when it's hot out here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Without, without ice cream. Just give me a cone.

[Adam Curry]

I get. And so every time I go, every time I hit the thing right at the beginning I say, would you like to use your app? Why would I want to use my app? I'm standing right here. I'm right here. I'm a person and I'm here. What do I need to go on the phone for?

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that question.

[Adam Curry]

No sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

They must mobile app because advisor can barely speak English down in Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why they're like, please say yes. I'm using the mobile app because you can't understand me and I can't understand you. Gringo. Come on. It's the most insulting thing. Yeah, I actually agree with you. What is the benefit of the mobile app if you're in the drive thru with.

[Adam Curry]

You're standing there. What? It makes no sense. But they still ask. They're trying to train every. This is just prop. This is bull crap. What they're trying to do obviously is to train you to use your phone for everything so they can elimina the drive through window and you pop, pop on your phone on your way over there and then you just go and pick up your order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they've already.

[Adam Curry]

But from a robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

They've already.

[Adam Curry]

They want to get rid of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, they've already. Most McDonald's restaurants, you know they're restaurants, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes. Yeah. I always think of. When I think of dining, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of McDonald's because, oh, I know a lot of the owner operators and they say, well, we have eight restaurants in the Austin area. I was like, what don't you operate McDonald's? Yes, that's our restaurants. They've been trying to get rid of people and they have successfully gotten rid of a lot of employees. Where you walk in, there's big touch screens. Then you just, you. You place your order on the touchscreen so that you don't have to bother a human being trying to figure out what you want at the cash register. And they actually say that it's good because then they can put more college grads to work in the kitchen to. To improve your drive through and your mobile app experience.

[Adam Curry]

What? Why is it better to have a college kid flipping burgers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so the college kid can pay for his tuition. You know, the way it used to be.

[Adam Curry]

That's what, you know, college kids in the burger. Flipping burgers is not what I want. We actually don't want us beneath them.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't even want.

[Adam Curry]

And they're gonna spit in the food. I heard about. You can spit in the food.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that's not true. They're not spitting you. Maybe, maybe if they.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, there's the college kids are.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's that Dvorak guy asking for an ice cream comb. Spit on it. Nice. So there was another glitch. A very important glitch. So important that CBS did a whole segment on it. What? A glitch? The Instagram glitch. That was really, really bad.

[Adam Curry]

The cyber world has some pretty rough neighborhoods.

[John C. Dvorak]

The cyber world. Cyber world. This is. This is like 1995 reporting. The cyber world has some pretty rough neighborhoods.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why John Dickerson took that job to stand sit next to that other doofus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, cbs, how about this for the money?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure he has more money than he used to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

The cyber world has some pretty rough neighborhoods. Earlier this year, a glitch spread graphic, violent videos to unsuspecting Instagram users. Instagram's owner says it has fixed the problem and now has filters to protect younger users.

[John C. Dvorak]

But a CBS News data dive finds violent.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, data dive.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBS News data dive. It's the data dive. I think I should try that. A data dive. But as CBS News data dive finds.

[Adam Curry]

Violent content is still pervasive on Instagram reels. Usher Gracie has tonight's eye on America. And we caution you, some of the subject matter is disturbing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we want to get in on that disturbing. We want to get in on that disturbing action since it's working for Instagram. So what was the glitch?

[Adam Curry]

Jack Hughes says the gory videos that popped up on his Instagram feed in February were unlike anything he'd seen before. Hold on a second. Hey, why are you playing us old news?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not old news.

[Adam Curry]

He said February.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a new report.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, what are you telling. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that CBS is reporting on something that happened in February and this news report just came out like yesterday? Is that what you're saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it might have come out today. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Adam Curry]

February. Well, that's what, six months ago?

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this? Hey, hold on. Hey, guys, listen, we got, we, we have an Internet outage. We need some more stories. We want to do some human interest stuff. Do anything about from a couple of months ago. Anything we got? Anything? Guys, I got a glitch on Instagram. Ah, perfect. Bring it over here. How about that? They're stretching. They. They got tired.

[Adam Curry]

Stretching is the word. You got the right word for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen to the report because there's an exit strategy in here for us.

[Adam Curry]

Jack Hu says the gory videos that popped up on his Instagram feed in February were unlike anything he'd seen before. It's worse than anyone could imagine. It's like I saw somebody getting their head squished like a watermelon. Though the 19 year old from Wisconsin understands algorithms drive his feed, he says the violent videos appeared without warning. Did you wonder why this stuff was populating your feed?

[John C. Dvorak]

I had no idea.

[Adam Curry]

It turns out that day in February.

[John C. Dvorak]

According I was expecting naked chicks with guns.

[Adam Curry]

To meta, Instagram's parent company, its algorithm malfunctioned, pushing graphic and violent content to users worldwide. A CBS News investigation found violent and graphic content depicting injury or death known as gore remains widespread on Instagram reels. Between February and April, we identified more than 600.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's known as gore. Didn't you know that?

[Adam Curry]

So why weren't they reporting this in February when it happened? So we could try to track it down and maybe even talk about it. Why did they wait this long to report this story? That's the question. Besides the fact that your theory, which is that we need more material because of the. Because of the downage. Outage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm sure they had the story. It was good to go.

[Adam Curry]

Oh man.

[John C. Dvorak]

My story got killed because of something Trump did the February. So yeah, of course, that's exactly what happened. I just like that they. It's known as gore. Were you aware that heads being squished like watermelons is as categorized as gore? That's like Chad GPT calling porn erotica.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they've tried to suppress using the term gore because it refers also to Al Gore and climate science.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, so you don't.

[Adam Curry]

Referring to Gore you don't want to. I don't know. I'm surprised that CBS even threw that in. A CBS News investigation found violent and graphic content depicting injury or death known as gore remains widespread on Instagram reels. Between February and April, we identified more than 600 accounts posting real world violence.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

And that content isn't just shocking, it's profitable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, this is the. Here's the exit strategy. This is what I had no idea was going on.

[Adam Curry]

We found Instagram hosts a thriving gray market where gambling sites, crypto apps, and porn agencies pay to slip ads in between the Gore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, duh. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Really.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's advertising going on in between the gore.

[Adam Curry]

Car crashes, stuff like that. Matthew Furman is one of those. Prof. Profiting from Gore videos. College student. He uses a dozen phones and hundreds of email accounts to share content with his 18 million followers across 80 Instagram accounts.

[John C. Dvorak]

This guy could also be doing automatic downloads of podcasts to juice up the numbers. As far as I'm concerned. This is the outrage.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get a hold of this guy. This guy knows what he's doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does.

[Adam Curry]

Average month, how many views would some gory violent content you post get?

[John C. Dvorak]

Close to a billion across all my accounts.

[Adam Curry]

A billion with a B.

[John C. Dvorak]

It sounds like Meta's doing a good job of filtering with a billion views.

[Adam Curry]

With those views shares and like, nobody noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess not.

[Adam Curry]

Furman builds connections with other creators and makes money helping them gain followers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, this is the follower for sale gambit. This is.

[Adam Curry]

I like this guy. Already earning him up to $70,000 a month. He claims a higher purpose to his posting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some of it's.

[Adam Curry]

It's pretty disturbing to look at, don't you think?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Yeah, but it's to raise awareness so.

[Adam Curry]

People know, like, don't play with guns. So you think it's more educational than voyeuristic?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it's educational. Don't you understand I'm doing this don't.

[Adam Curry]

Play with guns to educate the kids. Does Meta make money when this type.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Of content gets engagement 100%.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Robby Iyer is a former Meta executive who oversaw content moderation.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I don't think Meta is responsible for every bad thing that happens on the Internet or happens on their platform. People are going to do bad things.

[Adam Curry]

But they've created an environment where people.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Are effectively getting paid to do bad things.

[Adam Curry]

We asked Meta repeatedly about their specific enforcement actions. While they wouldn't answer questions about our findings, they provided a statement that read in part, it's our policy not to recommend violent content, restrict it from being monetized, and add warning labels. And for teens, we aim to hide graphic content entirely, even if it's shared by someone they follow. For millions of users, the question now isn't just what they see online, but what meta lets them see. See?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's my question. I was just. I'm one of the millions. What are you letting me see? What are you not letting me see? I want the Gore algo. The Al Gore rhythm.

[Adam Curry]

Al Gore rhythm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Al Gore rhythm. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Al Gore rhythm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Al Gore rhythm. Yes. Yeah, I know.

[Adam Curry]

That's actually a pretty interesting report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, for a couple of reasons. One, it was easy for me to jump in and moan and groan about the date in February, which is like, what are you guys at CBS doing? Is this the best you can do for news? Quote, unquote news?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is this the new Barry Weiss editorial ship? Is that what we're looking at here? Is Barry Weiss behind this?

[Adam Curry]

I got a great idea 6 months ago, guess what happened From a garbage can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get Barry Weiss on the phone for me. We need more of this. This is good. Good work. Is this the new sky dance content? Is that what that is? Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so. I don't think she's it really thrown in yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, and. And David Ellison is not getting the credit he deserves for killing mtv. You know about this, right? They turned off.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't. Now you have to tell me. I don't know. He killed it. So it no longer exists.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, mtv, of course the channel MTV no longer exists. Has not existed as a music video channel for a long time. I mean.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's well known, right?

[John C. Dvorak]

16 and pregnant and that kind of stuff. Stuff, yeah, but they had good stuff. But they had the good stuff. All right. They had five other music channels that you could find on pretty much every cable channel. One was like the classic 80s, one was all rock, one was all hip hop. And once the acquisition was done, boom, those all got turned off.

[Adam Curry]

They looked at the numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course they did. We had a gathering here. We had a gathering yesterday here. A gathering about 16 people and every purpose. Just a hangout, you know, we're just entertaining. We're just entertaining. We entertain. You know, we don't have any kids anymore. They don't call us. We don't. We don't know if they're alive. So we entertain. We have a great house for entertaining. Yeah, you have.

[Adam Curry]

You have a party house.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do. We Have a. Yes, a baller Party house. I have a. I have a button. I press the button and one wall goes all the way up and it's outside.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's baller ball, spinning ball.

[John C. Dvorak]

And every single one of these Gen Xers, the most emergent, a couple of boomers, but most of them Gen Xers. Hey, man, this really sucks about mtv. I'm like, really? Yeah, I watched it all the time. Like, wow, you need a life. This is no good. Were you really watching that? Yeah. Have you heard of YouTube? You know you can get video music channels. Yeah, but it was. It was. Made me feel good about the old days, so. Yeah, I understand. So it's gone. It's dead. And we even had a report, which. This is the funny thing. We had a report that there was a dinner and some of the. Probably some of the people who were here last night were at a dinner with David Ellison and they were saying, hey, man, you should bring all MTV back. Yeah, that's a good idea. Instead he like, psych. He just killed it all off. So an era is gone. An era is gone. It's over.

[Adam Curry]

I thought you still used her. Oh, I misunderstood.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, since we're here, an era is gone.

[Adam Curry]

I thought it was already gone. What you told me is all news to me, that they had these channels.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, a lot of people think they. They think. A lot of people watch them. But I don't think so. I. I'm with you. The numbers showed nothing.

[Adam Curry]

It was just right. That's what you. If you're David Ellison, that's what you do. You're trying to get this thing. You just dropped a bundle of money. You got yourself leveraged. You got things. You got your crooked bookkeeper in there trying to fix things.

[John C. Dvorak]

He starts.

[Adam Curry]

You got to do, you got to take action.

[John C. Dvorak]

He starts stripping the assets. Exactly. He could have sold that, though. He could have sold that to someone else.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, a guy at the party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since we're on technology news, this is the. I think the funniest. There was a half hour interview with Jensen from Nvidia. What's his name? Jensen Wong Hong. You know him? What's the guy's name?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Jensen Wang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's sitting. So he's sitting in the CNBC studios. First of all, the believability of this kook with his leather jacket on. Put on a suit, will ya?

[Adam Curry]

You know, put on his leather jacket.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing in the studio, in the leather jacket. I'm the hip guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And so it's really dumb. Somebody's got to take him aside, dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jensen, man, stop with the leather jacket.

[Adam Curry]

Stop with the leather jacket.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put on a suit, it'll look good.

[Adam Curry]

Anything, a sweater.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get a Zelensky outfit, anything. But this is not happening. And so he's talking about the money being invested in AI, which is now at this point completely circular. Everybody's pushing the money to the next guy and then it goes back to AI and then to Nvidia and Nvidia puts it into, into the next company.

[Adam Curry]

It's a circle jerk of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a circle jerk of money. But the truth comes out at the end. It was hilarious.

[Adam Curry]

Our agreement basically entails us selling entire systems and infrastructure to them. You know, we're the only company in the world today that really focuses on building the entire AI infrastructure from CPUs to GPUs to networking chips and switches of all kinds and all the software stacks that go along with that. And so as a, we're quite a unique partner for them to be able to do this.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I guess the question becomes it's great for you to sell the directly to them, but they don't have the money.

[Adam Curry]

To buy it at this point is.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

That'S why the deal was structured the way it is where you'll get a stake in open air over time.

[Adam Curry]

Not they don't have the money yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the way that, that it's going.

[Adam Curry]

To, it's going to happen for every gigawatt of air factories you're probably going to need about 50 to 60 billion dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

But a land powered shell and all.

[Adam Curry]

The computing and networking and all that, you know, everything that goes along with that. And they're going to have to, they're going to have to raise that money through first of all the revenues which is growing exponentially. Equity or debt. And, and they gave us the opportunity to invest along us alongside other investors when the time comes. And so it's not something we have to do, but it's something that they're giving us the opportunity to do. And I would love to do. You know, one of the things that, that, that we did, we invested in OpenAI early on. My only regret is that we didn't invest more. I mean this, this is the most profitable, well, the most valuable startup company ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the most profitable, I mean valuable company ever. See, they're smoking their own dope. They really believe that it's profit somehow.

[Adam Curry]

No, he didn't. No, he never, he knew it wasn't profitable. That's why he changed his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it was on his mind. Nvidia profitable though, right? They're profitable. They make.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. They make serious money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then some of the AI clips. I got a. This is a clip. This bode well.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got some AI clips. Oh, nice.

[Adam Curry]

I got a one. I got some from the past show, which we can play. But this got nothing to do with what we're talking about. This does, though. This is a problem. This is a problem. AI Google is facing a lawsuit over.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Its artificial intelligence products. Robby Starbuck, a conservative filmmaker, says Google's AI has made fake allegations against him, falsely accusing him of crimes like sexual assault entities. David Lamb has more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Google is being sued by Robby Starbuck, a conservative social media activist and filmmaker. He says that the tech giant has spread lies about him through its artificial intelligence products for almost two years. Starbuck made the announcement on X today. At one point, Google's AI even stated that my name was in Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs, citing imaginary articles in the New York Post and also one from.

[Adam Curry]

Mediaite that also says I was suspended.

[John C. Dvorak]

By Daily Wire over sexual harassment allegations. He claims that Google's Bard, Gemini and Gemma has been defaming him with fake criminal allegations, including sexual assault, child rape, abuse, fraud, stalking and drug charges. AI usually provides source links when asked for verification, but even then Starbucks said the AI routinely cited fake sources. According to Starbuck, Google's AI says that he was targeted because of his political views. Google spokesperson Jose Castaneda said most of the claims were related to mistaken hallucinations from Google's barred large language model, and the company worked to address it in 2023. NTD reached out to Google for further comments, but did not hear back by deadline. Starbuck is asking for at least $15 million in damages. No. Nice. They'll pay him. He'll get paid. He should get paid.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that's low. I think he should go for the move.

[John C. Dvorak]

He should have gone for 250 million or something like that. Like a big. Just big. And then let him knock it down to 25. I'm with you on that. Someone negotiated against themselves on that deal.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what he's thinking, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. It's a brave new world. I'm glad we know Rob Carty, the constitutional lawyer, because, you know, we're going to call on him one of these days. It's going to be some schlub doing something with us and we're going to sue the pants off of him. John.

[Adam Curry]

Well, as long as the schlub has money and Google has money, all these companies with their billions of dollars circle jerking around, they got tons of money. Because hey, well, you just spent $50 billion on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got money.

[Adam Curry]

Definitely have a lot of money made my back. So yes, this is, this, I, I, I don't think it's going to be the, the slop as much as this, the hallucination liability that's going to be the, the issue here. Yeah, it'll bring it down. This whole thing's a house of cards. I'm, I, I like it, unlike you. You hate it. I don't like it, but I hate it. The house of cards part, it's just, it's gonna blow up, take the whole market with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I, I mean, I've even succumbed to end of show mixes being all AI now.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You use the word you just used right there indicates your actual attitude.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

You use the word succumbed. Well, okay, that means you were beaten into submission. Well, you succumbed to the injuries.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, there's a reason for this because I think that there is that no Agenda Records and publishing, because you got to have the publishing. I think we have a shot. I think we have a real shot right now.

[Adam Curry]

Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this comes to us thanks to one of our producers, Bill Walsh, who is ordinarily a huge pain in my butt. This guy, he's the, he's the guy that kept telling me I was an idiot for invest.

[Adam Curry]

Don't invest in bitcoin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get xrp. Ripple is the future.

[Adam Curry]

The XRP guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

XRP guy off world Quantum.

[Adam Curry]

I've heard from it too. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he said, you know, I heard you guys talking about AI music and how what you really need is a personality to front the music. And I said, you know, yeah, we could, we should have our own Milli Vanilli. And he came up with a genius idea. I have to hand it to him. If you go to ashlandspeed.com. cloud. I'm sorry. A S H L Y N Speed cloud. He has devised an entire ep, four songs that Ashland Speed can lip sync and you know, and she's perfect. She's a race car driver, she's from Texas. You know, she looks good. She could have a dual career and we could be the publishers. Listen to this.

[Adam Curry]

The singing eraser here. Listen to this.

[John C. Dvorak]

A little country twang and she puts some no agenda in there. It's all good. I'm a small town girl used to chasing dream. This is fantastic.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

But you leaving tore My heart at the SE.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Ashley, Speed, everybody. Texas dust settles. We got the sponsor in there. First stop is Mazda Marketing. There we go. No agenda. Yeah. Yeah, baby. She has indie songs, she sings about Mazda. I mean this is great. Mazda Marketing, but I can see it. I can see we can do. We can have a whole stable. A whole stable of it.

[Adam Curry]

Stable, right. Why not? Why one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

We gotta scale. We at least we have the Silicon Valley attitude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Scale. Until we take over the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scale it up, baby.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but there will be no other music but ours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Everyone will be all in on our stuff. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know. I. I knew you would like it. Whenever there's money involved.

[Adam Curry]

A record publishing business has got to be a money maker. Even though now's the time because everyone says it's not a money maker. Yeah. Now is the time not to be in the business because of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know Sir Gene, he just published his creation which we'll have to sign. I mean he jumped the gun a little bit, but he's on Spotify now with Amy Claire Smith. Amy Claire Smith. He created a whole Persona that she could easily be in our stable. And it's a whole album of Christian music From Sir Gene.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, From Gene.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The Russian spook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And he was texting Tina like, what do you think of this song? What do you think of this song? This is great. No Agenda Records and music. No Agenda. N A M P. No Agenda Music Publishing. Namp NAMP it's our future.

[Adam Curry]

You got to get this off the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's not that hard. We just gotta register with Spotify and the other guy and then immediately have a put up a content strike against Gene. Hey, if you're not on our label, we're going to content strike you for stealing our stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're already getting the right idea. Yeah, being asshole music publisher.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I've been around him all my life. It's not that hard.

[Adam Curry]

You know exactly what to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know how to do it.

[Adam Curry]

It's not like this is slouch kind of thing. It's like. It's not as though you're going to be naive.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think this is better than the microphone company.

[Adam Curry]

Although hey, you can do don't threaten instead of. But in addition to don't even threaten.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna.

[Adam Curry]

I'm waiting for the tariff thing to settle down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, now it's tariffs? Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I saw that coming a mile away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. You're waiting for the tariffs. Okay. And at the same time, the tariffs are the reason for Dvorak.org na still being old tariffs. Is that it? Tariffs? No. Exactly. I knew it. Mournful. Yep. A month. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Hey, so we've been talking about these Gen Z things, right?

[Adam Curry]

Zeds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the zeds about the zed color revolutions. So I'm watching the 60 Minutes extended 60 Minutes interview with Jared Kushner and Steve Wilson.

[Adam Curry]

You're the first person who's ever watched that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It popped up for me. It popped. The algo gave it to me. Thank you. Thank you, Google. So it popped up for me and it was actually, it's quite good because they go through all the steps of negotiation and then when Israel bombed Qatar and how that was handled. The whole thing is very informative. Completely useless for the show. Unclippable. Nothing you'd want.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. To react long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jared Kushner looks like his whole face is Botox. Nothing moves when he talks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's getting close to look like one of those putty faced woman on the I've had it podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's odd. However, right near the very end as they start talking about peace because, you know, peace is infectious. Where Steve Witkoff reveals something interesting.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

What about Ukraine? Are you working on it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we are. You are actively, Actively.

[Adam Curry]

Just always available to Steve as needed. Doing a peace deal is becoming infectious. People want to do them. People want to get to this place. You know, it's not. I don't think it's coincidental that leaders are now coming to the White House saying how do we move a peace deal forward in Ukraine? And we're getting calls from the Iranians. So what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What are they saying? Peace is infectious.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Now, who are the Iranians calling you?

[Adam Curry]

Well, well, we're there to, you know, hopefully have a long term diplomatic solution with Iran. So.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

And someone's working on that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, we're working on. We're working on Algeria and Morocco right now. Our team. And, and there's going to be a peace deal there in the next. In my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you hear it?

[Adam Curry]

But what. Algeria and Morocco.

[John C. Dvorak]

Morocco.

[Adam Curry]

We are working Zeds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

And someone's working on that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, we're working on. We're working on Algeria and Morocco right now. Our team.

[John C. Dvorak]

We want. Our team. We wanted to know who was behind it. Is us. We're the ones. We are.

[Adam Curry]

What we already said in the last show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we questioned it. We said we have. Wow, you surprised me. The whole.

[Adam Curry]

No I said on the last show, I said that Morocco was the model.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said we got to figure out who's behind it, if it's us or not. We had no proof. Now we have no.

[Adam Curry]

But I did. Right. Except for the fact that it's not happening here. I thought we both concluded that it had to be us. We don't know who it is at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Take the win.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I'll take the win. But I did. But I want to make sure that the fine points of the win are noted because it's going to come up in the conversation. This is not something that's going away.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but this is us. Oh, yeah. We got a team in place on Discord.

[Adam Curry]

On Discord. He left that out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wish he would have said that. It would have been perfect. So meanwhile, because she brought up Ukraine, there's something very strange happening in the eu. And let me see, because I have a couple of different clips. So first, we have the new sanctions against Russia, which have been implemented, which is totally going to screw the EU even further. But there's more going on here. The European Union and the United States have imposed new sanctions against Russia in the bid to force the Kremlin to accept an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine. The US sanctions announced on Wednesday target Russia's two largest oil companies, Rosneft and Lukoil, with the former also being blacklisted by the EU bloc. The new sanctions were the first to be imposed by the US during President Donald Trump's second term, who on Wednesday said he hopes that his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin. Putin, will engage in diplomacy and agree to a ceasefire.

[Adam Curry]

There are massive sanctions and sanctions on oil. The two biggest oil companies, among the biggest in the world, but they're Russian, they do a lot of oil. And hopefully it'll push. Hopefully he'll become reasonable and hopefully Zelinsky will be reasonable, too. You know, it takes two to tango, as they say, and we're going to find out.

[John C. Dvorak]

The decision represents a win for Europeans, who have seen spent 10 months pleading with Washington to tighten the screws on the Russian economy, with little success until now. Aside from a host of financial measures, the EU's latest round of sanctions includes the bloc's first ever ban on imports of Russian liquefied natural gas, LNG, which.

[Adam Curry]

Will apply from the start of 2027.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so, but here's what's happening. So Zelensky's been doing the rounds again.

[Adam Curry]

Again.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's flying around everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Is he ever in Ukraine anymore?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Why? It's dangerous there. Why would you want to be in Ukraine. So he's out there in Brussels and he's standing with EU Council President Antonio Costa. I guess he's kind of Ursula's counterpart. She's in the Parliament, he's in the council, and he makes a big long deal of giving him money. Dear Volodymyr, as a future member of.

[Adam Curry]

The European Union, I'm very glad to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you here among our colleagues.

[Adam Curry]

First message.

[John C. Dvorak]

In spite of the great expectations created by President Trump's initiatives, that's clear today that unfortunately these initiatives doesn't match the, the good will of President Putin. What he's trying to say is, hey, man, Trump is making you buy that stuff now. That's no good. He was supposed to give it to you. And Russia, Russia is increasing the strikes.

[Adam Curry]

Is increasing the strikes against civilians, against.

[John C. Dvorak]

Civilian facilities, and then means that we need to continue to support your fight.

[Adam Curry]

For a just and lasting peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're going to support your fight with money. And the first thing, this is nuts. This is, this is like suicide. 150 jets from Sweden.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I heard that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good one. Jets. And here's douchebag Doug. He's back on France 24.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Well, meanwhile, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is touring his European allies. He met the Swedish Prime Minister today and both the leaders signed a cooperation deal. Well, joining me on set now is our international affairs editor, Douglas Herbert. Doug, what do we know about this deal then? What's it about?

[Adam Curry]

Well, what's the beginning of a potentially massive airport export deal?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Aircraft export deal. It would be these fighter jets. They're called Gripen.

[Adam Curry]

Gripen, Produced by Sweden.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Saab.

[Adam Curry]

The Swedish government would essentially be buying them from Saab and then supplying them to Ukraine. And the order calls for within the next three years or so ramping up production of these jets. It's a fourth generation of these jets to perhaps 100 to 150 of them, sending them on to Ukraine.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The Gripen are basically, when I said they're fourth generation, they've been around a.

[Adam Curry]

While, but they were really deployed in combat. This new generation, for the first time this year, actually Thailand in its confrontation with Cambodia. And what they are is they're used in air to air combat, sort of aerial bombardment missions, also reconnaissance missions.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

It's everything really, the type of jet.

[Adam Curry]

Air aircraft, the jet fighters that Ukraine needs for its future air force, especially.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

At a time when it's really more.

[Adam Curry]

And more up against it in the face of higher technology, types of Russian attacks, greater Swarms of drones and missiles almost night after night at this point, coming from Russian.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I don't know much about these jets, these Griffin Gripen jets, I don't know if they're any good, but this is not going to.

[Adam Curry]

We have military people listening to the show that should tell us where this jet stands in the scheme of things.

[John C. Dvorak]

And douchebag Doug winds it up here with this is basically a hedge against America helping.

[Adam Curry]

I guess it's the type of deal that European countries have now been sort.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Of hard pressed to try to step up to the plate and revive because.

[Adam Curry]

As you see, Donald Trump's been stepping.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Back from the Ukrainian front, no longer.

[Adam Curry]

Directly supplying Ukraine and rather cajoling, you might use the word bullying the Europeans to buy the weapons from US Stockpiles and then supply them on bullying to Ukraine.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

So the Europeans have really been taking on the brunt. And within Europe itself, the Nordic countries such as Sweden, which let's not forget.

[Adam Curry]

Just joined NATO last year, 2024, it's a new member of NATO really trying to step up in this long term cooperation agreement.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Like I said, it's the beginning. They've signed a letter of intent which.

[Adam Curry]

Really starts the whole process.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Saab is going to have to ramp.

[Adam Curry]

Up its production of these jets maybe.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Over the next couple of years, producing 20 to 30 of them a year. I think the initial Production is already 60 are in the pipeline, like I.

[Adam Curry]

Said, up to 100 to 150 of big deal.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Perhaps Sweden's biggest airport aircraft export deal ever. I'll just mention he was in Norway before this. Just a swing of the Nordic countries.

[Adam Curry]

Norway's donating almost $150 million to Ukraine for natural gas to help it with electricity and heating through what's expected to be a very cold and difficult winter.

[John C. Dvorak]

So is this just virtue signaling? This doesn't sound like a real deal at all. What letter of intent? I've signed a lot of those. Those we intend to do this, but that doesn't mean we're going to do it. That's a very European thing. By the way, letter of intent. Yes, we have an loi. You ever notice that, that the Europeans love doing, Lois?

[Adam Curry]

I haven't noticed it, but now that you mention it, I'm now thinking about it and it's probably true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they do. We have letter of intent with you. That's very good. Yes. Oh, we have a left. So you could do like a trial balloon in the press.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I get test marketing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And this, of course, this, this news is trying to be suppressed, I think mainly by, I think maybe even the Trump administration. This shenanigans with the procurement of NATO. What bribes? No, say it ain't true.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Tensions within the North Atlantic Treaty alliance as a vast investigation into suspected irregularities in the agency's awarding of arms cost contracts continues. Three Belgium media, together with the Dutch investigative website, found that several former and current NATO employees are accused of accepting bribes between 2021 and 2025. This involves contracts issued by the NATO Support and Procurement Agency, which manages multi billion euro defense purchases on behalf of the alliance's 32 member states. La Lettre Le Soir, NAC and follow the Money say the men allegedly received tens of thousands of euros for passing confidential information to defence firms seeking to secure lucrative contracts. At least three people were arrested in May as part of an investigation into the alleged corruption at the Luxembourg based agency. At the time, an operation dubbed Clean Hands was initiated with participation by several agencies, including the nspa, the FBI and the European Judicial Agency. These investigations are ongoing. NATO on Monday reaffirmed its zero tolerance policy towards fraud and corruption, stressing its commitment to transparency.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you're taking bribes for billions of dollars, why do you take 10,000?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do it right.

[Adam Curry]

It's like the guys. This is the same thing of the NBA betting scandal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But it may just be the tip of the iceberg. Must be just the tip of the iceberg. So I'll wrap this up with a one clip from my boy there in Canada. Resoulis as the Budapest negotiations have been postponed. This is the, this is the, the meeting that's supposed to happen between President Trump and President Putin.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Andrew Roselius joins.

[Adam Curry]

Well, before you play it, the, this is an interesting. Because actually before you play that, play my clip, the Russia Trump clip at the bottom of the list. Then you, then you wrap rapid. But there's something, this whole thing, you know, I'm thinking about this because Trump came out and said, well, you know, I just don't feel like I'm gonna. Your original thesis that he's really screwing the Europeans here by cutting off their supply of oil and natural gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

And natural gas.

[Adam Curry]

And natural gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And the fact that Trump says, I don't know, I was gonna have this meeting in Budapest, but I, I don't feel like it. And there was a long call between Lavrov and, and Rubio that supposed. And there was a long call between Trump and Putin for two and a half hours that supposedly went well. And now all of a sudden this is happening. This sounds very suspect. I believe there's collusion going on between Trump and Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course there is. And they're going after probably the North Sea nexus. But look at it. Oh, we don't need your jets, man. We got these gripens, whatever they were. Great.

[Adam Curry]

Looking at the grip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great. In the Thailand, Cambodia conflict.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Must have been a whopper of a conflict.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

President Trump is now imposing what he calls, quote, tremendous sanctions on Russia's two biggest oil companies as he calls on Moscow for an immediate cease fire with the war in Ukraine. This is happening as President Trump confirms canceling his Budapest summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Take a look.

[Adam Curry]

Today is a very big day in terms of what we're doing. Look, these are tremendous, tremendous sanctions. These are very big. Those are against their two big oil companies. We hope that they won't be on for long. We hope that the war will be settled. When we canceled the meeting with President Putin, it just, it didn't feel right to me. It didn't feel like we were going to get to the place we have to get.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

President Trump also calls on US Allies to enforce the same sanctions and says that he hopes that these sanctions will help Putin, quote, become reasonable. And on other foreign affairs, President Trump confirms that he has what he calls a pretty long meeting scheduled with CCP leader Xi Jinping on the sidelines of APEC in South Korea. President Trump says that he's optimistic about a deal where China buys American soybeans. He also says he thinks that Xi Jinping can have a, quote, big influence on Putin and help end the war in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is the trifecta. So we bring Putin and China and it'll be usa, ccp, USSR are against the monarchies. I still like that theory, Andrew Rasulas.

[Adam Curry]

It's an exciting theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Andrew Rasulas has a little more straightforward.

[Adam Curry]

View on it, but there was a funny. Yeah, I want to hear that. But there was a funny meme floating around saying they had these no kings rallies in these various countries and half those countries had monarchs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they have kings.

[Adam Curry]

Of course they do. No kings rally in a monarchy. Whoops.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Andrew Rosilius joins me now. He's a retired official with the Department of National Defense. Good morning, Andrew. As always, great to have you with us. So Russia sending out drone and missile attacks hours after Trump said that meeting with Putin was off the table. What does this say about Russia's position on a ceasefire and seeing an end to this war?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very clear. Clear.

[Adam Curry]

Lavrov made the point yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

To Rubio that basically the Russians will not accept the situation where they have.

[Adam Curry]

To go agree to a cease fire prior to negotiations. The Russian position is the exact opposite.

[John C. Dvorak]

They want negotiations on a settlement and if that's successful, then they will agree to a cease fire and in effect, an end to the war. And so right now, from a Russian perspective, the only option on the table for, for them is the war option. They will continue to prosecute the war until they force the Ukrainians to accept the Russian positions.

[Adam Curry]

Neutrality, the four oblasts and no NATO.

[John C. Dvorak]

That kind of thing. And, and that's where we're at right now. The summit is postponed, not canceled.

[Adam Curry]

But right now we are on the war option.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're on the war option. Well, that was the, what it always was. They never wanted to cease fire. I mean, it wasn't, isn't it? This report could have been done two months ago. It's the same thing. No ceasefire, no, we, we agree on everything, then we'll stop.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and I don't blame him for that. So this is because it's, it's, you know, the Russians are the ones that are the, in that Eastern European block where they know, they, they understand the personalities of the Ukrainians, the Georgian and all these, these allies. Yeah, all of them, they know what their personality is like and they, I believe that the Russians think that, that the Ukrainians are not trustworthy or the Europeans.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's really the Europeans.

[Adam Curry]

The Europeans are not trustworthy. And so in other words, if they had a ceasefire, they would start to encroach.

[John C. Dvorak]

So if we look at Ark, America, Russia, China, and we look at that possibility, the news of our deal with Australia starts to look more like, like a unified front than an attack on China. This could all, this could all be total theater as far as I'm concerned. Here's the Sky News report and then I have the actual audio, which included a little, little extra bit.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's time has finally arrived, sitting down with US President Donald Trump. After the compliments, it was time for business. The two leaders signing an 8.5 billion US dollar deal. Invest in critical minerals. These power everything from mobile phones to night vision goggles and solar panels. Gracelyn Bascaran is the Director of Critical Mineral Security at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in the us. She says the deal is world leading. This is the first major concrete minerals deal that we have had, not just in this administration, but in modern history. And this deal has a couple of things, you know, we've done a lot of MOUs and agree to agrees. But what we haven't actually had is how do we get rubber to hit the road. Fortunately, Australia has the depth of the mining industry, the capital and the know how to be that partner for us. From minerals to nuclear submarines. President Trump says Australia will get what it pays for.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what actually was said was a little bit deeper. If you listen, it's not just about extraction, it's about the process.

[Adam Curry]

Australia has had a view for some time. It's similar to putting America first. Our plan is called A future made in Australia which is about not just digging things up and exporting them, but how do we make sure that we have across the supply chains with our friends being able to benefit seize those opportunities. So we certainly see part of what this is about isn't just digging things up, it's also about processing. Including that joint ventures between Australia and the United States.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not just digging stuff up, which is what the Brits have done with them for decades, just use them as a mine pit. But they're going to process them and we're going to buy processed rare earths from them. That's a little different than.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's assuming they have the facilities. Are they doing that now? Not that I know of. I thought China had the market cornered for the refining and processing of these minerals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's ask the dumb computer and.

[Adam Curry]

Is it something you can do over. Can you set up shop overnight? I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's find out. Error. Does Australia have rare earth processing facilities and capabilities?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Australia's ramping up, but yeah, it's got some real progress. Lynas has a major plant in Kalgoorlie that's already cracking and separating rare earths from their Mount Welsh gold mine, making it one of the few non Chinese options globally. Iluka's building the Enneba refinery north of Perth, set to open next year for more processing. Even from outside feedstocks we've got reserves, but scaling full chains like magnets and alloys is still early. Government and allies are pouring money in to speed it up. So watch this space.

[John C. Dvorak]

Watch this space.

[Adam Curry]

Watch this space. In other words, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, she said clearly. Yes, they have started, but no, they.

[Adam Curry]

Started but they haven't even the timeline is not unclear. Well, this is something you can't do overnight. It takes special skills. I think that it'd be years and you can't, you can't have a big lag of a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know that. I don't know how do we have Are we, did we run out of magnets? Do we not, do we not have any magnets?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think magnets. I think it's. Well, let's, let's look at the way we do business with Just in time everything. Yes, we must. We, we will run out of magnets because we don't stockpile anything in this country. Country, we do everything on a just in time basis. It was developed years ago by, especially in high tech, developed years ago by Hewlett Packard who became experts at it and then everybody got so good at it that Tim Cook over at Apples is a genius of logistics where you don't have to have anything stored in advance. Yeah, we, we don't have it. That's the way I see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are so knowledgeable.

[Adam Curry]

I'm just saying this is the obvious weakness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how about this?

[Adam Curry]

When you trust the so called I. Why do we always talk about supply chain? Because it's a chain.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about this? I predict that the trade deal with China is going to go away. President Trump's going to talk to Xi. He says, look, we got a good deal here. I'm going to screw all those guys. Give me some of that would be great. You know, all of the North Sea Nexus crowd are all loving what Peter Navarro did at the Council on Foreign Relations, which of course is a complete North Sea Nexus operation.

[Adam Curry]

Totally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see, did you see his speech? He did a speech and then he did a one hour sit down and it was really like, hey to you.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like to thank the Council on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Foreign Relations for this kind invitation.

[Adam Curry]

After all, it's not every day I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get to speak before an audience that.

[Adam Curry]

Has opposed nearly every policy I've ever helped advance. And the I way White House. But let's be honest with each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

CFR has been uniformly anti tariff and anti Trump and highly skeptical of an.

[Adam Curry]

America first foreign policy that in truth is restoring our trade balance, our industrial.

[John C. Dvorak]

Base, strengthening alliances like NATO keeping and.

[Adam Curry]

As we just saw in the Middle east, negotiating the broken broader peace and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Reasserting American sovereignty on the world stage. You saw the speech?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought, I thought you said you saw the speech.

[Adam Curry]

No, I said that I lost you. The clip blacked out for about two seconds.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, well, two seconds. You didn't miss anything. Here's the second and final clip.

[Adam Curry]

Then came the Trans Pacific Partnership.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forgive me here, Mike. That was a good one. Tpp. Remember that? Obama's signature legislation at tpp, everybody. Trans Pacific Partnership. It's all going to be good.

[Adam Curry]

CFR sold it as a geopolitical rampart against a rising China. Yet the TPP would have surrendered much of America's manufacturing base, including our crucial auto and auto parts sectors, to Japan, Vietnam, and, ironically, ultimately, China itself. President Trump saw this very clearly and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tore up the TPP on day one. I was standing right behind him on that beautiful day. This is what the Council on Foreign.

[Adam Curry]

Relations has never understood. Weakening our industrial base has never strengthened our strategic position. Hold on a second. Stop. I think that he doesn't understand. They totally understand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think. I think he's trying to infantilize them.

[Adam Curry]

They are working against the interests.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what he's saying.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but he's saying that they don't understand that they are. I think they do understand that they are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they do as well. I think he also knows they do. I think he is saying this to.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not convinced that that guy is that. That on the ball. Well, I'm not convinced of what you just said. I think he's. I think he's naive in that regard. I just. There's other ways of putting it. And why would you do that?

[John C. Dvorak]

To tell them to go f themselves.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think that, you know, this is. I don't think he's that kind of guy. He's. He's. He seems like a guy who likes to drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's in the right club for that. It's 30 seconds. Listen to the last 30 seconds.

[Adam Curry]

So back it up to the beginning, though. Little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole piece.

[Adam Curry]

The second part. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

President Trump saw this very clearly and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tore up the TPPP on day one. I was standing right behind him on that beautiful day. This is what the Council on Foreign.

[Adam Curry]

Relations has never understood. Weakening our industrial base has never strengthened our strategic position. It has only invited aggression. That's why in Trump world, we do not trade off economic security for national security. We believe economic security is national security. Memo to cfr. You cannot project power if you surrender production. You cannot deter a great aggression when your supply chains run through your opponent's ports.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't lead the free world if you can't make what the free world needs. I think when you're standing there and saying, memo to you people, here's a memo to you. I think you're kind of being a douche and saying, we know what you want. We know what you're doing, and you know it, and we don't like you. That's the way I took it.

[Adam Curry]

I Did the totally opposite of that. I think he's sincerely thinking that he's giving them a lecture of value.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Well, because most people don't see the crunch on foreign relations the way you do or the way I do or the way a lot of people do. And they don't see themselves that way either because they publish their roster online. You can look it up and see who's on this operation. A lot of media people, it's just, just, I think that they're just that arrogant self.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. Yeah, they are. But you're saying Peter Navarro doesn't know that about them.

[Adam Curry]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I see.

[Adam Curry]

I, I see no evidence to the contrary.

[John C. Dvorak]

It, it doesn't really matter because the message was clear anyway. I think they got the message memo. Yeah. Maybe Trump just wrote it for him and said go say this. That's what possible. It's possible.

[Adam Curry]

Well, anyway, the fact is he's right. And the TPP was a disaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it was horrible.

[Adam Curry]

And if Council on Foreign Relations helped push it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

As, as they would do if they're going to represent the monarchs of the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then as a. It's just that a beautiful blood blow which was. I mean, when I heard this story, I'm like, oh, Dvorak planned this because all you need is hard hats and a clipboard and you can do anything you want.

[Adam Curry]

It's always been true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including stealing jewels from the Louvre. A French government minister insisted today the security system at the Louvre was working as it was supposed to on Sunday. Even though burglars easily made off with a $102 million worth of jewels.

[Adam Curry]

The Paris prosecutor says 100 investigators are on the case. And the thieves, Elizabeth Palmer reports they're still on the loose.

[John C. Dvorak]

These guys literally had hard hats on and yellow vests. And they moved a furniture moving elevator right in front of the Louvre, pushed it up to the window. We're working here. Leave us alone.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, the funny thing about this, it's not being reported much. I think there's a couple of stuff stories is that the head of security from the Louvre was just appointed a year ago. It's a woman that was hired because they needed to feminize the opera. They said they wanted to feminize the management of the Louvre. She has no experience whatsoever managing anything. She was an advisor in some security company and that's about as far as it got. She's never done anything like this at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Adam Curry]

And they're not talking about, about it at all because it's a huge humiliation. And then here. And the kicker, the stuff stolen was not insured.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't know that part. But even then, it's like a diamond. Everyone, everyone I know is like, oh, no, lab grown diamonds are better. All the kids are buying lab grown diamonds for, for engagement rings. Nobody wants real diamonds anymore. Do they had still have that value? Was that just some.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's a myth. I think people want real diamonds, but just beside the point that the, you know, the little crowns and all the rest are worth are priceless French government artifacts, basically. And they not. They didn't insure them. And this woman didn't know what she was doing as security. And it was basically a French version of dei. This is, it's a, it's a, it's a laugh. It's a joke.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what's so cool about it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it.

[Adam Curry]

What idiots.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love it. I love it. All right, let's talk about the builder. Trump the builder. Yeah. You have a whole series of clips I see about the ballroom.

[Adam Curry]

Clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Trump the builder.

[Adam Curry]

Because everyone's all bent out of shape about the ballroom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. There have been other restoration.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but nothing this severe since 1920.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and also didn't, didn't the whole White House burn down at one point? We rebuilt it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that was in 1812.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Well, it did have happen.

[Adam Curry]

Is that's all beside the point because it's what they. I have to say that they, they have one little piece of leverage here, which is clipped in one of these reports that came. These are mostly from NPR where they're all, you know, in a tizzy. I think what Trump's doing is great and I think people should recognize it as an improvement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me ask you a question.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to have, it's going to look, you know, like it was part of the building.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me, let me ask you, you a question. If this were Obama doing this, which is unlikely, but let's say it was Obama, do you think that the right of America would not be losing their.

[Adam Curry]

Crap over it if it was Obama? No. If it was Obama, for one thing, it wouldn't be a ballroom. It would be an indoor basketball court.

[John C. Dvorak]

Touche.

[Adam Curry]

Images of an excavator tearing off the facade of the East Wing of the White House are going viral this week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't, isn't the term facade? Isn't that literally mean fake? It's like a fake front, the facade.

[Adam Curry]

No, In. In kind of. It does in slang, but it actually means the front.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it just means the front. Okay. I thought the facade was just. Oh, it's a facade. It's. It's a fake front in front of the actual building.

[Adam Curry]

The fake part is only when. Has two meanings. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right. It's typical American English word.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The demolition marks the groundbreaking for President Trump's 250 million dollar ballroom project.

[Adam Curry]

You probably hear the beautiful sound of construction to the back. You hear that sound? Oh, that's music to my ears. I love that sound.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

But not everyone loves what they're seeing. Historic preservation groups are expressing concern and there are questions about whether the White House has followed proper procedures. Procedure.

[Adam Curry]

We're joined now by NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith, who has become our resident White House renovations correspondent. We're adding a title to you, Tamara.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

A lot of changes already. I gotta admit, I saw that picture of the East Wing and I was like, oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So, I mean, it definitely does look dramatic.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

And it is. A White House official not permitted to speak on the record tells me the East Wing is being brought down, modernized and rebuilt as part of the ballroom project. President Trump has wanted to build a ballroom at the White House for more than a decade. But this demolition is taking a lot of people by surprise because when the project was announced in July, President Trump downplayed the impacts.

[Adam Curry]

It won't interfere with the current building. It won't be. It'll be near it, but not touching it. And pays total respect to the existing building, which I'm the biggest fan of.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

But then at a dinner last week for project owners, Trump pointed toward the East Wing and said this.

[Adam Curry]

Everything out there is coming down, and we're replacing it with one of the most beautiful ballrooms that you've ever seen.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The seating capacity and the price tag of this project have increased since the summer, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, all right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I thought it was interesting that he said they were going to touch the building. They took down the whole site.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't touch the. The original iconic middle piece of the building. That's still. I mean, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I guess you could make that argument. That would be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. If you ask someone, if you ask a kid. Draw the White House, they don't draw the East Wing as a part of it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the East Wing is.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's pretty far off.

[Adam Curry]

It's just a flat building. So they're tearing apart the thing so they can create a, you know, a walkway.

[John C. Dvorak]

A walkway.

[Adam Curry]

Get from point A to point B. You can't do it through a wall.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Can you take.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

He is just doing this. There was a historical preservation phase earlier this fall. Now they're in the demolition phase. The. The National Capital Planning Commission would typically have a role in approving a project like this. But the newly appointed chair of that commission, a top Trump aide named Will Scharf in September. The commission doesn't have jurisdiction over demolition.

[Adam Curry]

Any assertion that this commission should have been consulted earlier than it has been or than it will be is simply false and represents a misunderstanding of this commission's role in that project. When we are submitted a plan, we will review that plan.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

So they will need to approve construction. But they haven't yet. And the commission is currently closed due to the government shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

But okay, so the commission is shut down. The demolition is continuing though during the.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Shutdown the ballroom is being privately funded. Trump says he is chipping in and donors include major corporations before they.

[Adam Curry]

If you go back a little bit, the way that was presented was and the she says but the ballroom is being still being constructed. And then she changes the topic to it's being funded privately. What kind of transition, what kind of reporting is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well let's listen again.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

They haven't yet and the commission is currently closed due to the government shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

But okay, so the commission is shut down. The demolition is continuing though during the.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Shutdown the ballroom is being privately funded.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump said he it was the script like they like listen we got to do five minutes on this. Just cut.

[Adam Curry]

He left something out of the script.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cut straight to the money part.

[Adam Curry]

We've played one more. Third more time. Third time. He says though. Yeah, he says it. But it's being still being torn down though as so it had to be. She has to talk about that. It's also goes off on some other topic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's also possible they just edited that out of this pre produced package. Package like we got to cut this cut all.

[Adam Curry]

It could be like one of my edits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, correct.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The government shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

But okay, so the commission is shut down. The demolition is continuing though during the.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Shutdown the ballroom is being privately funded. Trump says he is chipping it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well I guess you could make the case that the commission who would have to fund this normally that they're shut.

[Adam Curry]

Down and then she's saying no mention of funding whatsoever. She's talking about demolitions specifically.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know it's irritating. It's npr.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

What do you expect is due to the government shutdown.

[Adam Curry]

But ok, so the commission is shut down. The Demolition is continuing, though.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

During the shutdown, the ballroom is being privately funded. Trump says he is chipping in. And donors include major corporations with business before the government.

[John C. Dvorak]

So will it be this portion of the ballroom brought to you by Pfizer? Well, is that, is that we're going to get.

[Adam Curry]

This has been on my mind, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's finish the clip.

[Adam Curry]

Are they going to put, they never discussed this, by the way. But I was thinking, would they put their, etch their names up in the, up in the brick ceiling?

[John C. Dvorak]

You buy bricks. You buy a brick.

[Adam Curry]

Brick house. Bricks.

[John C. Dvorak]

You buy a brick. And this, this brick is Pfizer. And this we, hey, can we buy a brick for this thing? No. Agenda show sponsors the ballroom. The brick house. The brick house.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Business before the government. Google is donating more than 20 million into the project to settle a civil suit filed by Trump.

[Adam Curry]

And that's hardly a donation. That is, that's not. They could have called him out on that for extortion.

[John C. Dvorak]

If that's true. If it's true, it may. Well, of course, you always have to ask, where does all the fine money go to? You know, when, when Boeing has to pay $100 million or when any company has to pay, where does it go? Into the general fund.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but this was a lawsuit, specifically Trump. This is a personal lawsuit. It's not a government lawsuit against Google.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, then he's, that's okay. Go back to the beginning of the report where he says Trump is chipping in. It's his 20 mil. He's chipping in right there. From Google?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think so.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

For the government. Google is donating more than 20 million to the project to settle a civil suit filed by Trump. And those are among many reasons watchdogs say this project is a giant ethical red flag.

[Adam Curry]

How does the White House respond?

[John C. Dvorak]

Respond to this?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Well, they put out a fact sheet listing all of the various White House construction projects over the years and called the negative reaction to this one quote, pearl clutching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's, let's, let's take one little intermezzo. One minute of curl clutching, curl clutching, pearl clutching. Kareem Jean Pierre Abdul Jabbar on the View promoting her book, talking about this.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

What are your thoughts on the Democratic demolition? So, yeah, so the People's House is basically being sold to the highest bidder. No, it is corruption at its core. And I heard someone say this when I was backstage. It could not be. There's no greater metaphor right now than, than what's happening right now in this country than watching Donald Trump Take a wrecking ball to the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrecking ball.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

It's like, you couldn't make that up. When I saw the image yesterday, I was like, this is not real. But why did they let him get away with it? He has all of these people who just let him get away with whatever he wants to do. That's what he's been doing for the last nine, ten months. Like, the powers that are in the DC are not standing up.

[John C. Dvorak]

The dc.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

They're acting as if they're powerless, which is part of the book. Independence. No, you all have.

[Adam Curry]

Have power. Yeah.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

You all have power. Do something with it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This Karine Jean Pierre is getting on my nerves. She's out everywhere with her new long hair.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the long hair. Straight hair. So cherry curl. He's got something in it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Boomer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. All right. It's probably a wig.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably is.

[Adam Curry]

So. So I was thinking, you know, they did miss an opportunity here, and I'm surprised Trump did that or didn't at least give it to somebody to do, which is they. They're tearing down the wall and they're with bulldozers and wrecking balls, and why don't they sell chunks of it to the public as souvenirs? 10 bucks, you can have a piece of the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It's chunk of splinter, big or chunk of wood. You know, anything. It just seems like a missed opportunity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, this is. I think it's the last clip.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Several historic preservation groups have expressed concerns about the renovations underway at the White House, including the Society of Architectural Historians. The chair of the group's Heritage Conservation Committee is on the line with us now. Priya Jan is an associate professor at Texas A and M University. Good morning. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Your group issued a lengthy statement about your concerns. Can you briefly tell us the main ones? Sure. When the News of the White House Ballroom edition first emerged in July, we started hearing from our membership about concerns about the scale and the visual impact of the project to the existing and highly significant historic building. So we wrote a statement that called for more transparency on what exactly was going to be demolished because there was some conflicting information regarding whether the East Wing would be demolished or simply added onto. So we asked for a more comprehensive review of both the demolition and the new construction. We also asked for impacts to the White House grounds because the new building does extend significantly into the grounds. And finally, we asked them to consider the broader impacts this project is going to have on preservation projects across the country being such a visible and highly significant structure. So you mentioned a number of concerns about best practices being followed. For example, you note in the statement that there have been a lot of advances in historic preservation, restoring objects. Restoring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, like all those statues they pulled down during blm. That was very historic. It was really historic restoration of historical things in the D.C. sort of architectural.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Integrity and so forth. You also mentioned the landscaping, the grounds. The question I have for you is, is it a legal request requirement to follow these kinds of processes for, for a building as important as the White House, or is it more of a custom or a courtesy or a sort of a. I don't know, like a professional standard? You see my, you see what I'm asking?

[Adam Curry]

Sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

The fact that everyone's making such a big deal of this is what's interesting. This is, this is just an extension of no kings. You know what I mean? It's just like, whatever it is, just be mad at Trump. Be mad at Trump. He's doing something. Be mad at him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I find the whole thing to be fascinating with this. And it is pearl clutching.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think they nailed it. You know, the press secretary girl. You have a fourth. I think that was the last clip. No, no, you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a fourth clip here. You have a fourth clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I thought that was the fourth clip. Okay. The fourth clip, by the way, goes on beyond this. And she's, she comes to this woman, this Indian woman who was, you know, talking about the ballroom. She's this organization. Who cares what they think? They have no, there's no jurisdiction of some club over anything that the president does at the White House. And it just. And it's. And insofar as it being the People's House, he's got no right to do, do these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

If it's the People's House, can I go spend the night there?

[John C. Dvorak]

You can get a tour. Yeah, tour. I, I think I was promised a night in the Lincoln Bedroom. I'm, I'm, I'm completely miffed about the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

What happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, don't you remember, like. Oh, you, you, you. You were the first guy to say Trump would be president in 2015. Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to get an interesting invitation. No invitation. No. No invitation for the link.

[Adam Curry]

No. You got nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I look bad. My wife is like, you got no poll, by the way. She's mad at me now. She says you're making fun of our guests. Did I make fun of our guests about the MTV thing?

[Adam Curry]

Not really.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. I didn't Think so either. No, I made fun of mtv.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you kind of. I think more mocked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, whose side are you on?

[Adam Curry]

The xer. By doing one of your voices.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Because I never do voices. Okay. Yeah. All right, now.

[Adam Curry]

Now you're in trouble. You're gonna be sleeping in the doghouse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Be in the bed. Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, boy.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Yes. Now, typically, when a federal or a federally assisted project is done and it has the potential to affect any historic building, a process known as Section 106 from the National Historic Preservation act of 1966 kicks in. Now, this project, because the White House, the US Capitol, and the Supreme Court are exempt from formally initiating that process. However, this does not mean that in prior projects that have included minor things on the White House grounds like the tennis pavilion or perimeter fencing or other changes, that they have not gone through internal advice and oversight on the project, as well as approvals from the National Capital Planning Commission as well as from the U.S. fine Arts Commission. So there are vehicles, even though the exemption from 107. There are wider executive orders, other procedures that need to be followed to make sure that the project will not negatively impact. So you just heard the administration's response that there have been a lot of construction projects at the White House and that these critiques are just pearl clutching. What's your reaction to that? Yeah, I mean, it is true. The White House is a living building. It has undergone various. And it should undergo these various changes. However, I do want to point out that in the list that was issued yesterday, if you look at it closely, all the changes after 1942 have been limited to the interior. And the ones on the exterior either involve simple restoration or minor site additions like the tennis court and the pavilion, which are limited by their scope, size, and visibility to have any negative impact on the historic building. This is really the. The biggest edition since the 1940s, and it's large in scope and size.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, now I have to play some counterbalance to this because this was. This lady was boring.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not going to argue that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we need some outrage.

[Adam Curry]

At least she had a nice accent.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't like that. I didn't like that either. I need some outrage. Let's go to Anderson Pooper.

[Adam Curry]

Good evening. Tonight we have a front row to history, or more accurately, the destruction of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, this is what I'm talking about. This is what we want to hear. We want to hear about. This is good. This is good stuff.

[Adam Curry]

The east Wing of the White House is being torn down, not modernized not renovated, torn down, the whole thing. And we've been watching it happen all day long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, see, this is pearl clutching. And Anderson Cooper has pearls. He owns them, I guarantee.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, it is hard pearly necklace.

[Adam Curry]

Are not to be taken aback by what we are witnessing. If you think, well, that can't possibly be happen happening it is. And the President confirmed that the entire East Wing is being demolished late today. We determined that after really a tremendous amount of study with some of the best architects in the world, we determined that really knocking it down, trying to use a little section, you know, the East Wing was not much. It was not much left from the original. It was a very small building. And rather than allowing that to hurt, a very expensive, beautiful building that frankly, they've been after for years. Well, holding up renders and floor plans which he'd brought with him. And with the Secretary General of NATO by his side, the President added, quote, this was something they've wanted for at least 150 years. He did not say who they were or why. This was 150 years in the making. But this is what he's building on. What was the whole home of the offices of the first lady and the spot where millions of people from around the country and the world have begun their White House tours. As former Republican strategist and White House aide Rick Wilson, admittedly no fan of the President, put it today, the wing became a geography of grace, notes the stewards of tone and memory. Well, tone and memory have been trumped by gaudy gold and the construction of a 90,000 square foot megastructure structure nearly twice the size of the central mansion of the White House. It'll dwarf the size of the main part of the White House, which it is right next to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, coming from a Vanderbilt. A Vanderbilt.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who built some of the biggest, gaudiest buildings in the entire United States. A Vanderbilt. Let's go to Inside Edition.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

There is more outrage today as the full scale of the East Wing demolition is revealed. Most of the building appears to have been ripped away. The East Wing, as we knew it, is gone. The construction company carrying out the demolition, Ace Co, is also facing backlash. Their Google listing is being flooded with negative one star reviews. And today, White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, my Google reviews.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Dorians are appealing to President Trump to stop. We are deeply concerned that the height of the proposed new construction overwhelmed the White House and may also permanently disrupt the carefully balanced classical design of the White House with its two smaller and lower wings. Declares The National Trust for Historic Preservation. The White House is 55,000 square feet, and the new ballroom is almost twice that size. This animation shows how the new structure will dwarf the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you go to the White House, your attention is immediately going to be drawn and distracted or away from the White House to this gigantic new ballroom. It's going to totally overshadow everything. Okay, and then we should finally go to cnn. Oops, oops, oops, oops. Here we go. As the historic East Wing of the.

[Adam Curry]

White House is ripped down, outrage is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Piling up, with preservationists saying they are.

[Adam Curry]

Deeply concerned new construction will overwhelm the White House itself.

[John C. Dvorak]

And former First Lady Hillary Clinton posting.

[Adam Curry]

It'S not his house, it's your house.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's destroying it. And rich, coming from a woman who stole all of the plates and the cutlery when she left. My house. My house, please.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what she thought was her house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Destroying it. The reader response has been overwhelming. I mean, people are emailing me every five minutes. There's something about these images that have really upset people. The White House communications director is dismissing the worries as pearl clutching by losers. And President Trump has not even blinked.

[Adam Curry]

You probably hear the beautiful sound of construction to the back. You hear that sound? Oh, that's music to my ears. I love that sound. Other people don't like it. I think when I hear that sound, it reminds me of money.

[John C. Dvorak]

After planting massive flagpole polls outside the.

[Adam Curry]

White House, slathering the Oval Office in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gold trim, and paving over the legendary Rose Garden, Trump is relocating the office.

[Adam Curry]

Of the first lady and more and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Demolishing the space to fulfill his longtime dream of installing a vast ballroom bigger than a football field. Able to hold about 1,000 people. In an architectural rendering, the 200 million dollar add on looks like something from the French palace of Versailles. Or, as many critics have noted, a salute to Trump's Florida home, Mar a Lago. Trump's allies seem fine with that. And on Capitol Hill, they echo the President's claim that the cost will be covered by private donors. It's not even taxpayer money. It's gonna be a permanent renovation that'll enhance the White House for all future presidents. Yes. Oh, well, anyway, so it's just the amount of outrage, and it's like it's a little baffling. I think it's just more. Please hate Trump. Trump, just hate him. I don't see any other reason for it. Please hate him. I want to take you into the.

[Adam Curry]

Snapshot, by the way. It's Embarrassing. They don't have a big ballroom anyway. Yeah, because they do these giant events and they've just put up these cheesy tents.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, you've been to the White House, you've done the tour of the White House, haven't you?

[Adam Curry]

No, I never have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I did. Uncle Don took me on a tour and I got to go into the Oval Office. And you know what I thought? This thing is small is what I thought.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they have a copy of the Oval Office in most of the presidential libraries.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Biden's house, in his basement. They got a copy of it.

[Adam Curry]

That's one. Yeah. With a little smaller. Everything's smaller, though. It's a little dinkier.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but I remember it was like, it felt small. It didn't feel grandiose.

[Adam Curry]

No, the Oval Office is small.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So I want to get you into the SNAP stuff with two clips and then you can take it from there. And it started with kind of an interest. I hadn't actually considered this angle. Jon Stewart brought it up with Bernie Sanders. And Bernie Sanders, of course, went to where he always goes, well, he's worried about the oligarchs. Well, no, but the one thing that we know is a no, no is like the third rail in Washington, D.C. is the insurance companies, because they're not really insurance companies, they're banks. And there's a lot of money in the banks and a lot of money can do a lot to unseat you, to, you know, fund primaries against you. They're always, always, always worried about the insurance companies. And Jon Stewart brought this up in, in, in regard to the shutdown. And Bernie Sanders, of course, took it in a different direction because he just wants Medicare for all, you know, all right, fine. But I thought it was a good moment for me. JON stewart, Democrats find themselves in a.

[Adam Curry]

Place is we've shut down the government to protect subsidies for an insurance Marketplace that funnels $800 billion a year into the pockets of all these insurance companies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have Democrats box themselves into a corner.

[Adam Curry]

Fighting for a system that ultimately to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get the thing that you, you want.

[Adam Curry]

That I think the American people want.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re going to have to abandon.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look, here's where we are right now.

[Adam Curry]

And I think it's not been made as clear as it should.

[John C. Dvorak]

If Trump gets away with what he.

[Adam Curry]

Wants, we are looking at 15 million people losing their health insurance. And according to studies, John, 50,000 low income and working class people dying every year unnecessary based on lack of accessibility to health. You're low income you're working hard, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have a chronic ill, you die.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

We're all gonna die.

[Adam Curry]

That's what they're saying. On top of that, all over the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Country, you do die anyway. Just you die anyway.

[Adam Curry]

But you don't have to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have to die that way.

[Adam Curry]

Just because you can't get to a doctor.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is disgusting.

[Adam Curry]

Right. All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then on top of that, because.

[Adam Curry]

Of the cuts to the ACA, you're looking at some 20 plus million people, people seeing a doubling of their premiums at a time when they can't even afford health care right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so your point is, is this a good system?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is a good system to defend.

[Adam Curry]

To defend today, obviously. Obviously. Right. It is a system designed to make huge profits for the insurance companies and the drug companies. Right. Period. We have got to move to a Medicare for all single payer program.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. Okay, so the two things. One, we need to return to the actual case at hand, which is this is not health care. This is health care insurance, which sucks in America. It does. And this, and Stuart's right, this is a subsidy to the insurance companies who are saying, well, if we don't get our subsidy, we're going to double the cost of your premium, which just so that we get the same numbers on the street. That's a, that's a valid point. And it's being lost in this shuffle of nonsense between parties in the D.C. but there are other options. In fact, there is what they call the nuclear option. To get out of this.

[Adam Curry]

Democrats rejected a 12 stopgap funding bill by Republicans to end the government shutdown now stretching into its 23rd third day. Pennsylvania Democratic Senator John Fetterman broke ranks.

[John C. Dvorak]

And voted to reopen the government.

[Adam Curry]

He says he supports Republicans using the.

[John C. Dvorak]

So called nuclear option to override the.

[Adam Curry]

Senate filibuster and only require a simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Majority to pass the bill. I am now fighting to opening because of the 2 million Pennsylvanians that are on SNAP and those funds are running out. Two million people in Pennsylvania that depend on this to feed themselves and their family.

[Adam Curry]

SNAP benefits expire in one week if a deal is not reached.

[John C. Dvorak]

Democrats want to negotiate a compromise before reopening the government. Republicans want to reopen the government first and then negotiate.

[Adam Curry]

Specifics.

[John C. Dvorak]

The nuclear option, I forgot that was always possible.

[Adam Curry]

Get rid of. They don't like doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, of course not. Because then it can be used again against them. Of course. But isn't that what democracy looks like, John?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's not a democracy I don't know why we have to fight against it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But that is an option. And one of our guests last night, he works for dod.

[Adam Curry]

Give us his voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

His voice?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You're gonna ridicule him. So you.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. This was a very good guy. He was a veteran.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he had a. I wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

They were all good. They were great.

[Adam Curry]

I love our guests just trying to make it worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are just the worst person I am here. Brings me to an email. Hi, Adam says, Holly, when the first letter came in about you being mean to John, I had some thoughts about how you were chastised. Then you shared the second letter. Staying the complete opposite. I think both are extreme in one one sided. I personally like the back and forth banter between you and John. If you give John a hard time, I don't feel bad for him because I know he'll dish it right back out at some point. That is what makes your show so fun. Women don't typically do this with friends, so they don't understand this when men and how they do this. Just so you know, I had to wait until I finished my gardening project to write this because there was still at least another hour of the show. Had this been video, I wouldn't have been productive today and probably would have gotten the nasty from the hoa. So there you go. And that's exactly right. Men do this more than women. But after that, we go drink a beer and we have some hot dogs and we're fine. Women hold on to it forever.

[Adam Curry]

I forgot what actress it was. That was Cheryl Ladd. I think it was her. Maybe it wasn't her, but it was one. It was one of that level, kind of a high B list, low A she was talking about. She would start. She picked up the idea of playing golf a lot and so she ended up with a lot. You know, when you play golf as a woman, you're going to have. Most of the foursomes will be three men and a woman. And she made this comment, she says, you know, I didn't realize. So I started hanging out with men like this, how mean they are to each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but we also. We also.

[Adam Curry]

But it's mostly, you know, giving each other crap of. Oh, a nice shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes, exactly. Just like that. It's all the tone.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's all a lot of tone. It's like, oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But you've been at the driving range a lot recently. Yeah. 100 yard drive. That's a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole 25 yards of it. Yeah, exactly. But we also build each other up. Hey boss, how you doing? Hey, big man. Yeah, we do that too. Instead of yo bitch.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, a reference to the 100 yard drive would not be what you just said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not a golfer. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because a good drive is 250 to 310. So if you did a hundred, then you were.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. So here, here you are like calling me out on golf ball.

[Adam Curry]

Golf ball. That's what I'm calling it from now on. I understand you went and played around a golf ball. That's exactly the way it should be possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possible show title, golf ball. Although people, it only has been one word. I don't think it works as two words. All right, so. So the snap thing. And so let me just stay with. So our guest, he's a. He had. He actually got wounded in I think Iraq. He now works for. And this is an. A new acquaintance. I like this guy a lot. He's. He was actually born and raised in Fredericksburg. He's a young guy, which means 40s. So he still works for DA but he's working on all the new stuff. And I just didn't have the opportunity to kind of like draw it out of him. But. And I want to be fair. I want him to know that this is going to be on the show. But he's. He says we have some amazing stuff coming down the pipeline. But he's. Right now he's basically didn't get a paycheck. He says it's. And I said, well, what does he.

[Adam Curry]

Do for DOD that he would know about all this stuff?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in the new advanced Weapons Procurement division.

[Adam Curry]

And what's he doing in Fredericksburg? Doesn't he have to be in D.C. for that job?

[John C. Dvorak]

All good questions I don't have an answer to. The only thing I did get out of him is that the DOD guys love Hegseth. They love Hegseth. They thought it was great that he pulled everybody in.

[Adam Curry]

This is not a well known fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. That he said everyone loves that he pulled in all those fat gutted generals from everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I can see people liking that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, this GU guy's lean, mean fighting machine. He says, we love being called the Department of War. We love it, we want it, we love getting. We were weak. He says we were. For 20 years we were just weak. And we all felt it and we all hated it. He's generalizing, of course. And then I'm like, so you working on the Golden Dome? And he's like, no, no. Much cooler. So hopefully I'll see him again soon. I'll get some details. Details out of him. This could be a new source. Could be a new Fredericksburg source for the show.

[Adam Curry]

I just. As long as he's not just some guy who's full of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He said he. Check me out. All my metal. Put a magnet on me. It'll stick.

[Adam Curry]

So the SNAP thing comes around with all these people coming online and making these short comments. It's not just black people bitching about nuggets.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's everybody black.

[Adam Curry]

It's Chinese. There's whites, and I have a bunch of white whites.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The. In fact, we end up with the white. The finale of this series eclipses this white trash female.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, nice.

[Adam Curry]

White trash dudes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let's just set the stage here for a second, because what is happening. And it's kind. It's kind of weird because the states, they act. If I understand it correctly, the states actually. Actually provide the supplemental nutrition. What is it? Snaps.

[Adam Curry]

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Thank you. Which used to be called food stamps. It averages about $140 a month, I think, which can mean a lot of money to people.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it can be per person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Per person. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it can be a lot more than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It can mean a lot of money.

[Adam Curry]

There's some clips in here where some women are bragging about getting $4,000 a month.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the whole. But the whole point.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have a lot of these. These. I mean, there's hundreds and hundreds of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm still trying to get a handle on it because I think a lot of people don't understand that this is part of the cuts that the Trump. The one big beautiful bill did is. Okay, if you want to still be on SNAP and you can work or you can volunteer, you need to do that. So it's not a unilateral. We're cutting your benefit. It's like, hey, if you can work 20 hours a week or you can volunteer 20 hours a week. And you. And a lot of this is fraud, of course. And the states aren't checking this fraud properly, which is why there's a lot of talk about where it's really going. Is it going to illegal aliens, et cetera. But it seems a lot of the people complaining actually could qualify. But now the states are running out of money because of the shutdown, or at least the money that should be appropriated towards snap. I'm sure the states aren't running out of Money. But there is this being used as like, oh, well, this is it. This is going to be. We're going to have to cut. Cut your money. Is that a correct assertion?

[Adam Curry]

Generally I say in yes, more or less something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

They could cut something else.

[Adam Curry]

And there's other ways of getting food in most communities. There's food banks, garbage cans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Garbage cans.

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, you actually, you might be surprised.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, Said the guy from Berkeley.

[Adam Curry]

But generally speaking, you there, there's food banks. Almost every little community has them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eat cake, you peasants. There's other ways you can get food. Get it from the garbage can.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the reason I'm saying that you're making it sound. But I'm not. You know, there is. You can get food well, but even reasonably quality boxes of it is that it's not like you're going to starve to death necessarily unless you're like, you know, eat a lot. But it's, but that's beside the point. Most of the people that are, that are on these clips are threatening the system because they become so dependent. The problem is, the way I see it is the dependence on this to the tune of what do you think? What does he think the food stamp program cost a taxpayer a year?

[John C. Dvorak]

60 billion.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think it was in the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I read the newsletter. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm GLAD you did. So $60 billion of assistance. And it began in the. Just a little background. It began the first round of food stamps or assistance was in war during the Depression when the farmers were. They had an excess product and they couldn't get rid of it. So the government decided to buy it and distribute it in same in a form of what was a food stamp like system. Then it disappeared after World War II, came back in the 60s. In the 60s with Lyndon Johnson mostly. He's the one who, who really codified it, made it a big deal, which.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a great way to enslave people to the state, basically.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what was the idea. Johnson was great at that. And so we have people now threatening everybody saying. And the main thing that I noticed, I don't have a. These are all short, super short clips. But this is classic. This is a black old lady cussing, by the way. These are all not safe for. All of them, are not safe for young ears. So if you people want to, you know, skip past this, this is probably the time to do it. Here's a. An old black woman cussing.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I'm trying to make sure I heard this right. Trump said all the groceries is free now. That's what I heard. Well, you take from us, we take from you. Thank you. We're gonna be running out the stove.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I've seen a couple of these.

[Adam Curry]

So she's saying she is just gonna steal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

There's a lot of counter clips to these, by the way, also by black people. And yeah, you're a genius for announcing this on the. On the Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is a woman, I believe, a white chick with a big giant nose ring. This is the nose ring. Weirdo and her complaints.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Just one of the 42 million Americans who won't be getting their SNAP benefits in November. Gonna be a awesome Thanksgiving as a single mother with a toddler. I have so much to say about it, but there's not really much else to say other than.

[John C. Dvorak]

So how do you qualify for SNAP benefits?

[Adam Curry]

You have to prove that you have your. What your income is. You just fill out some forms. It's not that hard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

You're low income. It's pretty easy, actually. And that last one with her. With her Berkeley hum. Toddler. Right. Of toddler. So, okay, now we have a very profane black woman.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Donald Orange man J. Trump. I'mma tell you just like this. What the you mean who ain't getting that goddamn food stamps to goddamn November? Cause I'm getting my. My goddamn. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting my. Cause I'm gonna tell you just like this on Jesus Lamar Christ. I will be at Walmart with my steel toes on in my helmet. And I dare a try to stop me from walking out that stove with my groceries, baby. I'm £250 solid, baby. You want to see a human bulldozer, baby? Cause that's what the I'm a gonna turn into. If you think you gonna stop me from leaving out that goddamn stuff with my monthly groceries did I get every goddamn month. I ain't bothering no goddamn body, okay? Why the is y' all bothering me and my goddamn food? I'm just so tired of his big back ball head cradle cap having ass shaped like a penguin any way Albino war was looking.

[Adam Curry]

Ass.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I'm sick of him. Like it's gonna be an episode of goddamn SNAP if y' all turn them goddamn SNAP benefits off. I can tell you that.

[Adam Curry]

All right?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now if I was an end of show mixer, I'd put that thing right into the AI and make a massive hit. She's perfect for it.

[Adam Curry]

Massive.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's close to Obama phone lady. She's. She's up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. She's pretty close to the Obama phone lady. Now we have a white trash dude.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, I want to. Let's listen to the Obama phone lady for a second because Obama phone. Here she is. I think Obama, you got. Wouldn't I just. Oh, this is her. Everybody in Cleveland, low minority, got Obama phone.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Keep Obama in president. You know, he gave us a phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same lady. It's the same one. So she wants to go steal it from Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

Because by the way, Walmart is the target for all these people with rare exceptions. So I don't, I don't recommend anyone going to Walmart on the 1st of November or at least through that month.

[John C. Dvorak]

This thing is going to end before, before the first of November. It's gonna end.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think so.

[Adam Curry]

We. Now we have the white trash dude complaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody going around saying that ain't getting food stamp. Next is a white guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, white guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Everybody going around saying that ain't getting food stamp next month. Mind you, I'm on food stamp. Let me, let me tell you this right now, Donald J. Trump. I don't know what the you got going on in that house of yours, but you better fix it. Just because your ass going through some.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T mean you gotta take it out on everybody else. Fix this right now. Let me, let me not get my food stamps.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Let me not get my food stamps.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going back to stealing.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I don't care if you leave your car unlocked in the middle of the night, lock it.

[Adam Curry]

Because if I don't get no food.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Stamps, best believe me.

[John C. Dvorak]

And mine's gonna eat regardless.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what's so sad is that these people are very uninformed about what's happening. They have, they are being taught by the media with stuff like the, the wrecking ball to the White House that it's all Donald Trump. It's just, they don't even know. And this just education. They don't know that. I feel bad for them. I don't understand how it works. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so now we have the white trash female who is the. This is the last clip, is the finale.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the finale. Gotcha. If they take away SNAP benefits in.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The November and December, y' all better be fucking stealing from Walmart. Big, big corporations, Whole foods stay away from the small stores and family owned stuff. If like, especially people in Albuquerque, like companies are gonna be really mad if they lose money. Especially if everyone who lost food stamps just starts fucking stealing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds a little bit like Mimi. I'll be honest. Just, just a tad. I know it's not her. Obviously, that little bit of that somehow the accent.

[Adam Curry]

You would. Well, I didn't get that. That's for sure. But. So that was, you know, she's just telling everyone to steal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So. But stay away from the little guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was, that's. That's kind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Don't steal from the little Korean store guy. So that's the kind of situation that was. That's evolved because of, you know, and it's all, all on tick tock. It, you know, and reels and these people complaining and moaning and groaning. And it's like, why don't you. You're gonna steal. Let's put. So let's say I'm gonna steal. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make a tick tock video so I can have a picture of me saying I'm gonna steal. This is smart. Yeah, I'm a genius. So you wonder why these people are, you know, can't, can't get ahead. There's all sorts of people that just. It's just, there's hundreds of these things. I don't know what to make of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, well, speaking of food, let's go to the war on beef, which is heating up. And this is pretty much exactly what Texas Slim predicted four or five years ago and has been talking about nonstop now to the outrage over beef prices.

[Adam Curry]

American ranchers pushing back against President Trump's.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Plan to import beef beef from Argentina.

[John C. Dvorak]

Elizabeth Shoals is here with those details. Good morning, Elizabeth.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Hey, good morning, Robin. American cattle ranchers and top Republican lawmakers are now slamming President Trump's pledge to buy more beef from Argentina. The President says that this would increase the supply of beef in the US and help bring down grocery prices. Ground beef prices are up 13% in the past year. Steak is up almost 17%. The president says that this move would also support his ally, Argentinian President Javier Milei, ahead of midterm elections there on Sunday. The US has already committed 20 billion in taxpayer dollars to help Argentina's economy at a time when, of course, hundreds of thousands of federal workers aren't getting paid here during the shutdown. The head of the National Cattlemen's Beef association says we cannot stand behind the president while he undercuts the future of family farmers. And ranchers and farmers who we've been speaking with are frustrated that the Trump administration hasn't yet taken. Delivered an aid package for them while it is moving forward with this extraordinary bailout of Argentina, guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, so there's a lot of different things going on here. And the first thing that we need to understand is that the typical American rancher is really at this point just a commodity cowboy and just sells all his stuff to one of the big three producers, I'd say the biggest one, jbs, who is, it's a Brazilian owned company. And, and they are completely linked to the cartels. They, you know, they, they've got all kinds of weird products coming in from all over South America, not necessarily Argentina. The jacket full of hormones on the way up, it's. And then they re. They just label it as American beef.

[Adam Curry]

And yeah, a good part of American beef is not American beef at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not in the supermarket. Exactly. And so what, here's, here's a small tip of the day. If you, if you go to beefmap.com and you find a rancher near you, you can go to that rancher, go right to his door, say, hi, I heard about you on the no Agenda show. Texas Slim sent me. I'd like, I'd like to shake your hand and buy your beef. You will find that it is significantly cheaper than in the grocery store. And it's really good American beef. And there's not a lot and it's the minority of ranchers, but there's a real movement for local ranchers to feed their local community, this whole thing. And by the way, President Trump's not wrong in my mind. It's like, yeah, you know, and Argentinian beef is not necessarily bad beef. In fact, they know a lot of stuff. Go to Los Gauchos. Isn't that the big chain of Argentinian beef outlet? It's tasty. But what we're being served in the supermarket is crap from jbs and you got to stay away from that. And I checked with Tina this morning. I said, because she orders from KNC cattle, we get ours, they're in Luling south east of Texas of Austin. And I say, you know, have the prices gone up? She said maybe 4%, which would kind of be in line with inflation, but certainly not anymore than that. And it's cheaper than at H E B. Our, you know, kind of, that's our supermarket here in Fredericksburg, which is all over Texas. You know, they're okay, but I don't eat their beef and it's too expensive. So, you know, instead of, and I'm not sure the President knows exactly what he's doing here. And yeah, it's going to bring down the price in the supermarket. But it's just going to be more crap that, that, that people are still paying way too much for. And this has been on, going on for a long time. So just go to beefmaps.com and find your local ranch, local rancher and drive up and you can buy a lot of beef for relatively little amount and they might even take your snap. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

One of the things you, when you buy from a local provider is that they will. You can buy like a half a steer or a full. It depends by different. Usually quarter is the smallest and they will send it over to the butcher who will then process it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's local processing. There's a whole revolution in local processing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know what kind of revolution it is because it's been going on here for decades. But there are these butchers that process process local beef and, and they, and you, once the beef gets there, they'll ask you what you want and you. What kind of cuts you want. And the butcher and you say, well, I'd like to, I like to get some. If there's a filet and say you have a half an animal. So there'd be a flank steak and a filet, you can have them cut up or you can have the whole filet put aside or you can have it done. If some butchers can do French cuts which are totally different, some people can do muscle cuts which are totally different, or they can just give you this T bone. The typical butcher will give you X number of T bones. How thick do you want them? They'll tell you, you can say, I want them this thick or that thick. And they'll do that. And the thing will be processed in no time. And you go pick it up, it's all wrapped and sometimes frozen, probably frozen in most cases. And then all the chunks and pieces and everything left over is ground up, up. And you get lots of ground beef which is 10 times better than the stuff you buy anywhere else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen to this. So for our.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, what I'm saying is I've done this a number of times. Yes, of course, with sheep and pigs and of course. And the butchers are out, there's tons of them and they like. And you tell them exactly what you want. You get. It's, you know, you have to have a freezer. So that's the one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to have a freezer. Got to have a freezer and it's worth the investment. We have another outfit here that where we get our brisket from and our chuck. Chuck Roast. We like, we just like it from them, from Schneider Ranch. They're, I don't know, 30 minutes, 25, 30 minutes down the road. You go on the website, you order it. The dude comes to our house within an hour. Hey, how you doing? He's got his yeti coolers under his arm. Hey, Phoebe, stop barking at me. And he brings it right to her, right to her table, takes a check, you know, it's like, ah, just give me cash, check, whatever you got. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. And it's really the way to go. And if you get ground beef, which is really inexpensive, you can eat ground beef for weeks. You can make meatballs, meatloaf, hamburger. You can be very creative with ground beef. Just another tip for your no agenda show. And while I'm on the topic, I bought. For our gathering last night, I bought a couple bottles. I found it at my local hb, bottom shelf in the Cabernet Sauvignon aisle. The. Your. Your tip of the wine.

[Adam Curry]

Your Robert the Burl Bourbon barrel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, $11.

[Adam Curry]

Delicious.

[John C. Dvorak]

$11.25 per bottle. Which is very affordable as well. Wine goes. And the international arms dealer was here. He said, oh yeah, I heard about this stuff. He said this is actually. How did he explain. He says, this is from some of the really high end guys and they made too much and they sold it to these guys and they put it in this bottle and they said just dumping their stuff, basically. Is that correct?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, it was universal. Like is dynamite is a great tip of the day, particularly for a gathering. You know, I'm gonna. The bottle looks like it's a $30 bottle of wine. Look what I got for you. People look at me. Have you seen my door that goes up my baller door? Yeah, I bought this wine for you. Is dynamite, everyone. It's. It's universally accepted. Very good. It was a good tip. A good tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

So. Okay, well, you got our beef discussion out of the way, so I guess that's good for people. They should know that. But you can also go, by the way, if you want to have some, some fun. You can go to the county fairs around the country and you can. They have auctions of the animals usually. And then the auction, you can buy the animal from some poor 4H kid who cries a lot after you buy their animal to kill it. But, but you know, you have to put up with that. They get used to it. And you're the worst. Shut up, kid. The animal gets shipped right to one of the butchers, there's usually kind of contracted butchers and they get the animal and you get again you go through the process of telling them what you want. Well, on the topic of food.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I was going to thank you for your courage. That's what what I want.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you were?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, we could do the quickie here.

[John C. Dvorak]

The what?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, thank me. No, why don't you thank me for my courage and I'll. I'll move this the second half of show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for your courage and say in the morning to the man who put the sea in the pearl clutching hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Divorce.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, in the morning to you, Misham creating readership sea boost and graphite in the air, subs in the water and the dames and knights out there in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning to the trolls from the troll room.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second, let me count.

[John C. Dvorak]

You here for a second. 1597, peak trollage in the troll room. I had a whole exchange with Dana Brunetti this morning.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah? What did he have to say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first he said that you would blocked him and he sent me a. He sent me a screenshot of him trying to call you. And it said number busy. I'm like, don't you know that John had just talks on the phone? He doesn't have call waiting and it's just busy when he's talking to Mimi. Then he was going off on. You guys are wrong. You should be doing video because, you know, more video is more eyeballs is more is more pain.

[Adam Curry]

He already gave me that lecture.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And I said we don't care about eyeballs. We do value for value and we don't want to be lost to Silicon Valley platforms like your industry, Hollywood boy. That's what I told him.

[Adam Curry]

You did?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hollywood boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I didn't, it's. I'm gonna do it next time.

[Adam Curry]

Hollywood boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, that's why I live on a ranch. I stay as far from Hollywood as possible. Yeah, you already made. Made your money. And we know we. We got it.

[Adam Curry]

He still got his fingers hot with his smut.

[John C. Dvorak]

His 50 shades of smut.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's that new book that came out that I was going to send him a. Not a copy of the book, but just a link to this. It's. It's the latest. I wish I could remember the name of it, but. Has something to do with a. A woman who gets a job jerking off both bulls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's a. It's a Three season series on Netflix. The Woman who Jerks Off Bulls, brought to you by Hollywood bigwig Dana Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

Somebody in the, in the chat room. In a troll room might. But it's an erotic. It's, it's a form of erotica, I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Adam Curry]

It's disgusting. It's, it's. It must be a bestiality story of some sort. But whatever the case, it is. I immediately thought it. Danny could cash in on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is the book called Beef Jerky by any chance?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not called Beef Jerky. Wow. Like the Minotaur and the lady or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

We are 15 years old. Welcome to the no Agenda show. Those trolls are in the troll room.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'Re coming, coming up with lots of titles for this book which cannot be repeated on air. And they're [e-mail] hopefully they're using one of the modern podcast apps so they don't get screwed out of the bat signal and listening live in the app when they want to or of course when we publish you immediately get your notification within 90 seconds. You get chapter images, you get chapters, you get transcripts, all kinds of goodies that are included in the modern podcast apps. And you are not supporting AWS or the global corporate Internet. You are supporting independent software developers. You know, and you know what, get the extra features for 299amonth. Help these guys out. They're doing good, Doing good work. So as we just discussed, we're not going for eyeballs data, Bern, any thinks, oh, if your video goes viral, then more people will come and listen. Yeah, sure they will. They'll be listening the to clips. They'll never come listen to the show. That's exactly how, that's exactly what. What Silicon Valley wants. Yeah, put the clips on our platform so we can shove ads in their face and not give anything thesis.

[Adam Curry]

Because I don't watch Rogan so much as just watches little clips that come and go. In fact, they have even Rogan memes. Same thing Rogan says, hey, look at this video. This is great thing that he had. It wasn't even on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I said, Tina said. Yeah. But just out of interest, so do you listen to Megyn Kelly's podcast? Yes, I do. Well, do you listen to it on. She uses Fountain. Do you listen on Fountain? No. Well, what do you mean no? I just listened to a couple clips on YouTube. It's the exact same thing. I mean, you're letting Silicon Valley steal your audience now. We don't have an Audience. Luckily, we have producers. And I like. I like our life. We don't have to talk to Hollywood boys about ads or anything like that. We don't. We don't have to be worried about the ads.

[Adam Curry]

Brunetti's best week comes. Comes closest to being a suit.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a suit. He's a total suit.

[Adam Curry]

He's a total suit. He's always been a suit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's a suit. And then. And yeah, great business you have Brunetti. You got to go sue your. Your. Your movie company every year for the.

[Adam Curry]

Money they didn't pay you. Like. Yeah. Well, at least he's getting his money.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so are the lawyers. Now that whole. It's. It's a. It's a mess. And what really do you get with ads? Like $2 CPM, please. No, I'm not interested in that. And this is.

[Adam Curry]

The funny thing about the ads is to do inside baseball material here. When the first ads came, when the first web. When the browsers came out and then people started doing websites, the early advertising. Because I was a part of cnet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I remember.

[Adam Curry]

And so when they first started doing advertising, they were getting. Because nobody knew, you know, the advertisers are. We have to. I think you and I would agree that advertisers in general are. Are. They're kind of nuts and dumb. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess we can say that because we don't have any.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And the ad buyers are the worst. There's. They're. They're mostly girls just out of college, and they don't know anything and they don't care. And so the. So they were getting. For banner ads. Just a little banner on any page, and they had a number of them on each page. $100 a thousand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. Was the CPM $100 for a thousand views or clicks?

[Adam Curry]

It was views, not clicks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

So they had. So the CPM was 100 per thousand. And it was like. And it stayed that way for probably five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

It finally started to deteriorate. When Leo first started doing his shows early on, this is 20 years ago, when he first started doing podcasting, he was getting $75. A thousand for podcast ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was for Ford. Well, Ford. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think Ford gave him, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's soaked.

[Adam Curry]

And so. But those days are over. And now I've heard as low as 75 cents, down from a hundred dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, well, for banner ads, it's probably even lower than that. But for podcast advertising, you know, ever since podcasts decided to do dai Dynamic ad ins. Insertion. It sucks. Just sucks, you know, it's like you got ads popping up in the middle of shows. Like mid. It's a mid roll. It's a. It's an annoyance is what it is. I hate the product.

[Adam Curry]

Not only that, but it cuts into the guy in the middle of a guy's sentence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it does.

[Adam Curry]

It's not, you know, it's rarely timed. Elegant the way it goes in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rarely timed. It's rarely elegantly timed, as you put it. And who wants a post roll? No one listens to the end. No one listen to the end of our show. Show either. There's like five guys and a goat at the end. Like, oh, cool mixes, man. Nice tip, JCD. You know it's true. Yeah, it's the same with YouTube, you know, and then how many views you got. Yeah, a view is three seconds. It's meaningless. It's all a scam. It's all a charade.

[Adam Curry]

All we're gonna do on today's show, ladies and gentlemen, is complain.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And this is what I like. It's like, even if people are listening to three seconds of the show, when they send value back, that three seconds was clearly valuable to them. And I love that. I feel good. I go to bed, I go to sleep with a clear conscience. But I don't have to worry about getting deplatformed or someone, you know, like, we're having a boycott, you know, because said something off color, you know, was always his. Not safe for work clips. Oh, well, BMW can't advertise in a podcast like that. We can't have that. No. No. I'd rather be poor than have that life. And we're not far from it. We're doing okay. We're hanging in there. It'll be 18 years on Sunday, John. How about that? That's something to celebrate.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's hope everyone celebrates it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Value for value. You already got the picture. You can help us immensely by becoming a producer of the no Agenda show. If you're listening right now, you are by default a producer, which means when we say, hey, how about this stupid jet fighter from Sweden, someone will know to find.

[Adam Curry]

Get somebody that knows what they're talking about telling us exactly what's going on with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. When we talk about six seven, six, seven. Did you get a lot of people emailing you about this?

[Adam Curry]

I did, as a matter of fact, with an interesting clip from some guy who is a. Who is a word myth guy. And he went on and on about some of These folks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got zero interesting clips. But I did, I did like the mo. The majority of our no agenda parents would send stuff like this. Adam 6:7 ended with 13 push ups right after the Alpha daughters tried it. I like that you got that.

[Adam Curry]

Good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. Adam and John's says loose. My two teenage boys and their friends starting to talk slang in my presence while laughing in my face. I told them if they ever would talk like that again while I'm in the room they would. They would be their last chill session in my house. They know I mean it by the expression on my face so they never did it again. See, this is how you deal with it. Let's see. About a month ago I heard my kids and their friends start saying six seven two to each other. So it clearly wasn't just to piss off their parents. Although it clearly had that effect if other parents were around. As soon as they brought that crap into my house I went on full offensive Mode and said 67 so many times in one day that they never wanted to hear it again. And I haven't heard from them since. I used the same tactic with like when my sweet kindergartner started with that I like said I like like so many like times that like that immediately and I just start saying like and they hear how stupid it sounds. I hope this helps the no agenda community. But then the most then the most important one from Derek. I have a six year old in kindergarten in Columbus, Ohio. I had no idea what you were talking about on Sunday show and lo and behold Monday she came six year old, she came home from school and all she would say was 676 7. That is the simulation's way of telling me it's time to donate. You guys are way ahead of it all as usual. That's true. When you hear six seven, it's time to donate to the no agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's a new donation level 67.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we will mention you by name specifically if you donate 6 7. But before we do that we need to thank our prompt jockeys who help us out with value for value by creating AI art for us and the comic sure blogger who is also always always on noagendaartgenerator.com usually with a. But this time it actually was kind of a cool piece. We both saw it, we liked it. It was a no Kings protest. Except there was a very prominent.

[Adam Curry]

Did you say comic strip blogger?

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't it? Comic strip blogger?

[Adam Curry]

No, comic strip blogger did the one the week the show before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh well this Is a, this is a mistake on my part. I'm sorry. Well, he does always send but, but images. I was right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, but you can say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, blue acorn. I'm sorry. It was blue acorn. I'm sorry. Blue acorn. I'll fix that. It was blue acorn. There you go. Blue acorn. And it was, it was a good piece. We liked it. Did you see all the other images or the little signs in that, in that particular image?

[Adam Curry]

No, not. I didn't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

One says no assets.

[Adam Curry]

One says, oh, no. Yeah, I looked at all of those signs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Afro Agent agena. This is AIs really bad. Well, sometimes needy in eveness aerogunas. It's like when you really start to pay attention to what the AI is writing on the other side.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it can't write.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's horrible. It's really bad.

[Adam Curry]

It's like trying to write in a dream I don't know about. I talked to Mimi about this because, you know, I had this process of trying to wake myself up during dreams or at least realize I'm dreaming so I can have some fun in, in the dream. Although it usually wakes me up. And you know, you can have fun in the dream. You grab a Uzi and start shooting down people.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is what you do. This is what you. So let me just get this right.

[Adam Curry]

I can't, I can't pull it off. I can't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But when you dream, you're trying to wake yourself up from the dream side.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I'm trying to realize that in the dream, I'm in a dream. It's kind of like the Inception movie where you, you know, it's a dream and you're in it and then you're in the dream and you know this is a dream. And then you can manipulate the to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dream and, you know, no wonder, no wonder Brunetti couldn't get through to you. You're talking to Mimi about this on the phone for hours. About how to kill people in your dream.

[Adam Curry]

One of the things, one of the things I know I woke. My subconscious keeps telling me, even though I'm starting to convince myself it's a dream. No, this is reality. Don't worry about it. One of the things that I think everyone, what you and I, I got to the point where I, I, I understand this problem because there's two things you can't do in a dream. One, you can't dial a phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean rotary or on your smartphone?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, a push button phone. You can't do it. You. You think you can because it's just a phone with buttons, and you'll just keep pushing the wrong numbers. And it's just like, oh, wait a minute. Let me start over. Let me start over. Then we start over. The other thing is, you can't write. In a dream, you try to write something, and it just goes off the page. The A's, you don't. The letters don't show up, and you can't write a number down. So give me your number. And then you give them. Somebody gives you a. Give five. Seven. Seven. And you put five. You get the five. And then this is like a. Then the line drops off, and you can't figure out why. And you should know in the dream, if you can't write and you can't punch the numbers in the phone, then.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know you're in a dream.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I have not. I've. I've got that in my head. I try to do it, and my brain says, no, no, no, you're just having trouble writing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you may have more trouble than just that with this conversation. You seem to be kind of weird.

[Adam Curry]

What? I mean, I think it's cool to try to know you're in a dream if you're in one.

[John C. Dvorak]

You sure you weren't having a stroke?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's what you start to think when you can't write. That's kind of a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, there was a lot of art, none of which there was a lot of no Kings art.

[Adam Curry]

Thomas, strip blogger, had the one with the trump and the two horses. Yeah, that's what you're thinking of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought that was funny.

[Adam Curry]

It was funny, but the joke wasn't about Trump. It was about Gavin.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but it was still funny because of Trump's. Trump also does a. A dance with his two hands. In fact, he does the dance better than Gavin. So, you know.

[Adam Curry]

But Gavin's got.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, I know.

[Adam Curry]

He gesticulates in a very odd way.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was a lot of Ace Freely stuff. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna use a dead guy as artwork. That's no good. I don't want to do that.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's no good. And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, everything's orange. The whole page is orange. Everything looks so orange. Orange. It's just orange, orange, orange. It's disappointing.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it doesn't take much to correct that. It's just color correction. It's not a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And now, of course, we have AI End of show mixes, so that'll probably Also be just orange. It'll all start to blend together and sound alike. And we'll be able to track the. The actual model collapse. But it doesn't seem like.

[Adam Curry]

I think the country and western stuff is already done gone.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's so disappointing because it is. I mean, the country and western stuff that. That we get out of AI is. Most of the stuff is just formulaic. It's like there's nothing really interesting, man. Have you listened to it?

[Adam Curry]

It's just like Taylor Swift.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, formulaic crap. Absolutely. And there's a place for that, but not on this show. We expect better from you. Another thing we'd like to do is thank our producers who support us with the final of the three T's. Time, talent and treasure. And that is, of course, the treasure. And what we here in this little section is we thank the people who are fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more. And in that case, not only do we read your note, but we also give you an official Hollywood credit, Associate Executive producer. And if it's $300 or more, we will give you the title of executive producer and we'll also read your note. And of course, we launched a new promotion, which is a dynamite. Which one? And I think I came up with it accidentally on a post show conversation. This is the International Peace Prize.

[Adam Curry]

No, you didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm pretty sure I did.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we do have the International Peace Prize.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Available.

[John C. Dvorak]

So tell us about this International Peace Prize.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's no agenda to show International Peace Prize. And we will, for $1,000, you get a insta knighting executive producership and the International Peace Prize. And it has art. It's presented in a vertical format with art on the left, just like the Nobel Peace Prize and then the certificate on the right. And we'll see how it goes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But in addition to this, we are sending one to the President of the United States. To the Vice President of the United States. Who else are we sending one to? Mike Johnson, speaker of the.

[Adam Curry]

We have a list. It depends, but. But I think Witkoff gets one. He should get one and so should Kushner. Kushner.

[John C. Dvorak]

And bb Doesn't BB get one for just.

[Adam Curry]

No, BB doesn't get one. No, he gets. That'll be. Our next promotion will be International Criminal Court.

[John C. Dvorak]

Criminal Court.

[Adam Curry]

So I think an indictment would be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, an official indictment.

[Adam Curry]

500 bucks. That is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is a funny one. So we start off with our first executive producer who comes in with $1,030.15, which is nice. And he says, please find enclosed a check for $1030.15 to boost my peerage status to Viscount of South Felton. I guess this will also. In this. I guess this also entitles me to claim the title of Secretary General of South Felton. It does. Thank you for your attention to this matter, Sir Ken of Pennsylvania, soon to be Viscount and Secretary General of South Felton. And we thank you very much. And yes, your title will be changed.

[Adam Curry]

Now, hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that was. Okay, you're right. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got the notes mixed up. Because next on the list is another note. This is not a note. This note is here. Never mind. I'm confused.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are?

[Adam Curry]

Sir Boiled Peanut in St. Petersburg, Florida came in next. So Sir Ken didn't ask for a jingle or anything?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

So Sir Boiled Peanut came just under the wire here. $1,004.95. He's now also a Viscount. That's where I got confused. Just health prayers and baby making. Baby making prayers. But he doesn't. He doesn't want baby making karma. So we're not giving it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, and I. And I, when I spreadsheet came in, I took care of it for you. So thank you very much, Sir Boiled Peanut. You also. There are.

[Adam Curry]

There are a number of Christians out there that do not like our karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's why. That's why I would not insult him by giving him baby making karma. Dr. Sir Otter. Well, he's a doctor. We know why. Lincoln, Nebraska, 515 38. Dear Dr. Sir Otter of Flatwater here. Sorry for the late donation. Please make me Secretary General of an Kapistan. Ankapistan. Okay. I'm not familiar with ancapistan, but I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T know what ancapist means.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it shall be. It shall be done. You got it.

[Adam Curry]

Towers comics in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada. Not Saskatchewan, but Fort Saskatchewan. And not in Saskatchewan, but in Alberta, 515 38, which is probably God knows what. Dub me, Secretary J. Well, he thinks it's at least a thousand dollars.

[John C. Dvorak]

He does.

[Adam Curry]

But he wants to be Secretary General of the Republic of Alberta. Okay, that sounds like a winner. Can I hear the jingle? Biden, Whole load. And can we get some baby making karma? Please check out [e-mail] for the limited edition hats and hoodies. Altahats.com yeah, if you take a look.

[John C. Dvorak]

At it, it's pretty cool because it shows a moose. It shows a moose. A moose. I think a buffalo. And then in the middle of the moose, in the buffalo is A oil well. Because of course we know that's where.

[Adam Curry]

That's Alberta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alberta is where all the oil is. And it's a big and. And they have hoodies too. Made in Alberta. Republic. Oh, Republic of Alberta. Very good. We like that. Very. No agenda of you, sir.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna give you the whole load today.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brandon Keefer, Gerard, Illinois. Five hundred bucks. And he says all karma to be passed and shared to the most noble among us. No jingles required. Please encourage flight training. Yes, I encourage that for every young boy or girl. Parents, if you can afford at least a test flight, an introductory flight, give your kids some flight training. It's. It's a good thing. It's a good skill to have. It's not cheap, but it's a good thing to have.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

You've got karma.

[Adam Curry]

I also recommend in getting a ham license which is cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is much cheaper. Yep. And you can get started for what. What are the. What are the. What are the radios these days? They. 15 bucks I think like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're nothing. They're giving them away.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can pop on the repeater and loads of fun, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Recoil, sir. Recoil. In Franklin, Tennessee. 350. 58. This 333 donation is a shameless plug to the parents of middle Tennessee who are exploring private schooling. Yes, parents who are interested in an education where their human resources will learn to read, clock read and write in cursive and know what a don what a dozen means. Especially the floor Florida doesn't. I encourage you to look into George Washington Academy. George Washington Academy in Franklin, Tennessee gives children a strong academic foundation. Their class classical curriculum emphasizes reading, mastery math skills, critical thinking, science, history. While inspiring courage, perseverance and kindness. The school is committed to affordability to help bring students students where parents want their kids to learn. GWA has been supportive as supportive classes in a safe nurturing environment. The school fosters a proud community where parents are welcome. And this is a plug by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so.

[Adam Curry]

And all the decisions are made based on the best interests of the children. That's unusual. The school has year round calendar where they're currently G through 5. GWA will be a K through 7 starting next year with then they grow to a complete K12 program. Please contact admissionswaschool.org you should be able to get the edu moniker if you try. I think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so too.

[Adam Curry]

To schedule a visit or go to gwaschool.org thank you for your courage, sir. Recoil jingles Goat Karma for all You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ryan Archibald is in St. Clair Shores, Michigan. 333.33 Jingle Request John's Donate and his note reads take the frightseeing tour nobody's talking about because nobody makes it out alive. Get you. What is this?

[Adam Curry]

Get your Blu Ray or Halloween thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

DVD copy of Screamityville@ screamityville.com. it's no Dana Brunetti picture, but then again, we're what else is. Or if you're cheap like me, stream it right now on Tubi for free. Even if it's buried behind all your other browser windows, it still helps with ad royalties. Either way, help Scream it evil. Keep supporting. The best podcast in the universe. In the universe. Five year listener, never missed a show or a donation segment. Donate, donate.

[Adam Curry]

Just sound effects.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's good.

[Adam Curry]

The Baronet surplus. Surplus to requirements in India. What? India Atlantic Florida 3333. And he has a note. You go to this. Is this the one? Is this it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Baronet surplus of requirements Greetings. This note came in, by the way, in 1st of September, dated and the letter just got here. Thank you for the best podcast in the universe. Happy birthday, Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you usps. Beautiful. Then we go.

[Adam Curry]

Things do get misrouted.

[John C. Dvorak]

They do. Grumpy old Danes coming in. Dames from Ketchikan, Alaska. Yeah, 214 and a penny. And they have a note here. Itm. We grumpy old dames are dropping by to return value to the valiant gentlemen who have inspired the community for which we have so much admiration and respect. Respect. We want to express appreciation for the platforms, the mighty NA stream, the troll room, NA meetups, and yes, even NAS knowage in the show. Oh, we're at the end. But they like us too. By which we are blessed with the opportunity to engage and to raise our grumpy old voices. You have created something enormous and beautiful and you remain the glue that holds it all in place, that deserves recognition and support. Thank you for your courage. Where the C is for communitat? Hey. The grumpy old dames. Black Dame Loco of Texas, Hot Glass. And Lady Vox, the dame of the Gateway. Thank you, ladies. That is very nice. And please also thank Voidzero for keeping everything running during the big Internet outage. Nothing went down on our end. And you were happy with it?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, they sent in the note. Also had a nice seal with a ribbon. And they sent a bistro business card which was done by AI and it was yellow. Nice. The blonde girlfriend in Pineville, North Carolina. $210.60 Happy belated birthday, Sir Scobie. Thank you for the many hours of no Agenda chats, sharing road trips, listening to the show, and always being my guy named Brad or Ben. Thank you John and Adam for a great show. Show the Blonde Girlfriend a that's so sweet. 2162 10, 16 60, 60.

[John C. Dvorak]

$200 as always from one of our faves. Linda Lupatkin, Lakewood, Colorado. She says the last episode you talked about using AI for headshots. That's a great idea for a LinkedIn profile, but you shouldn't use a headshot on a resume unless you're going out for Chorus Line. Also, don't go crazy. Make sure the pic looks like you. No one wants surprises and an interview. Now this Jobs Karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of Winning Resumes.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs. Let's it make go for jobs. You got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that actually winds up our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1810.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, and by the way, that was good advice on her part. Why would you put your head shot on a resume unless you're becoming an actor or something along those lines?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you want to be used as a dartboard at the office.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the dart dart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you very much. He's executive and associate executive producer. These credits are completely real. You too can be like Hollywood boy David Brunetti and get your credits [e-mail] or you could put that on your LinkedIn or your profile could put it on any social media website you want. You can use it for your jobs, your job interviews, and if anyone questions you, we'll be happy to vouch for you. Thank you again for supporting the best podcast in the universe. We'll be thanking the rest of our supporters. $50 and above in our second segment. Once again, congratulations go to no Agenda Donations dot com.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Shut up slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up slave. Let's play this clip. This is the China this about. You know. You know they've been doing a purge in China of the generals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes. Yeah, I don't hear much about it.

[Adam Curry]

But I'm sure they don't talk about much in this country.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure the China haters at NTD had something to say.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, the NTD would be covering it to an extreme, but Listen to this. This is a wow clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

A wow clip. Shen Kun says that at least four more top generals are now under investigation, and many of those already purged were handpicked by Chinese leader Xi Jinping himself. Shen Kun also says that two of those already expelled from the party last week are now dead. He Weidong, considered Xi Jinping's right hand man, was the vice chairman of the Central Military Commission. He reportedly died of a heart attack.

[Adam Curry]

And the other general loyal to Xi, He Hongjun, dying of suicide.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, Beijing has not confirmed those deaths, and China's Defense Ministry says that the.

[Adam Curry]

Expulsions are part of an anti corruption.

[John C. Dvorak]

Campaign started by Xi Jinping himself back in 2012. But now the sweep appears to be.

[Adam Curry]

Turning inward, targeting Xi's inner circle. The CCP is made up of different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Factions, with the Xi opposition faction working to undermine his power. According to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant, one of those CCP officials, officials in the Xi opposition faction, Li Chen Gong, may have issued those rare earth export restrictions without Xi's knowledge. Oh, that is a wow clip.

[Adam Curry]

Huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. So they're falling out of windows, they're committing suicide. They're dead.

[Adam Curry]

Jim, his old buddies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's pretty good. So I haven't. It's another series. They're short clips, except for one or two. It's just because it's so unbelievable what Hollywood is doing to scare parents into vaccinating their kids. The last time we had the hit Emmy award winning show, what was it called? The Drip. The Pit. The Pit. I think the Pit. The Pit. And I don't think we have to play the Brady Bunch again to hear about how happy the little kid was that she had measles. She could stay home and she got ice cream and didn't have to. Ooh, didn't want a needle. And then Alice got the measles. And it's happy music and everyone's jouncy, jolly and it's okay. Just got the measles. I remember having the measles. Did you ever have the measles?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. How did you feel? Do you feel. You felt bad, Run down?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I didn't like the spots all over. And you had to stay in the dark. You forget about that part. You're not supposed to go out in the dark.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, not in the. No, not. Why. What happens then?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. So that's something to your eyes or something? They hurt. It hurt. It's not good. You're supposed to when you have the measles. You're not supposed to be in the light.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now. So now that RFK Junior's on the scene, we've got lots of too many people questioning vaccines. You know, we don't just have a measles vaccine. We have the mmr. It's a trifecta, the measles monbrella. By the way, if you want to give that to your kids, fine, go ahead. I have no problem with your personal choice, but I do have a problem with the hit show ER and the clip custodian. I mean, he did the last series of the Pit as well. I mean, it's really unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Well, ER is not a show anymore, is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it not? I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Not that I know of. It's an old dead show.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be a dead show, but how dead is it? He clearly watched it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, that doesn't mean much nowadays with all these channels that play old tv. Yeah, let me do a little work on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you do the work and I'll play these clips because I don't know when this was from, but, man, check it out.

[Adam Curry]

Zach.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Women, four years old, status post brain ball seizure at his preschool. We were just finishing arts and crafts, and he started shaking and wet his pants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mother.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

No, his preschool teacher. Feels like he's burning up. BP's 100 over 60. Pulse 120. Does he have a history of epilepsy? No, not that I know of. Zach, open your eyes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it ended in 2009.

[Adam Curry]

Yep, 2009. So this was in the. Oh, I can't. This. At least 15 years ago when I did. I did one of the clip shows that had a lot of this. There was a period of time, and Law and Order had most of them. There was a period of time in the early part of the no Agenda era, in the early years that we played these clips, and it was. And I remember distinctly, one of the lines was, oh, nope, had measles. And it was a Law and Order episode where somebody sued the mom because the kid had measles. He went to school, he wouldn't get a shot, didn't get the measles shot. This is when the shot. I think when the shot was maybe when the shot first arrived, I'm not sure. And it was just all propaganda about how dangerous the measles was. And this was the first. The first showing of that. That. That party line, that. That narrative that measles was deadly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, in. In this series, they hadn't even ever seen measles. These days, doctors so I've noticed this in the.

[Adam Curry]

I think in there. Was that. Wasn't that also expressed in the pit? The pit clip had. The guy said. Whoa, what's this? He's got a. He's got spots on his face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen to this clip here.

[Adam Curry]

How's it going?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Easy tap when they're unconscious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looks pretty clear. Cute kid.

[Adam Curry]

What's his name? Zach.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Cell count, glucose, protein, gram stain.

[Adam Curry]

And culture kept those shoes that laid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up when you walked.

[Adam Curry]

How do you think they do that? You want to roll them back over? What is that? What? That. You didn't tell me. An immaculate rash wasn't there half an hour ago.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Must be a viral exanthem.

[Adam Curry]

Could be measles.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Measles.

[Adam Curry]

Fever, altered mental status, pneumonia.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Or more likely, he has a virus with pneumonia and had a flower for brow seizure from the high temperature.

[Adam Curry]

That is a classic measles rash. Debbie, can you have any tongue depressor?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Have you ever seen measles?

[Adam Curry]

No. Have you?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Of course not. Nobody's seen measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course not. Nobody's seen measles. Really?

[Adam Curry]

He's got complex spots in the buckle. Mucosa.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Or he bit the inside of his mouth when he was seizing.

[Adam Curry]

Malik, there's an Elson's in the lounge. Can you go grab it, please?

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. Here it comes. Grab the mom. Grab the mom. Listen to. This is Zach.

[Adam Curry]

All right?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

This is Mrs. Woodman. I was in court. I have to turn off my cell when we're in session.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, my God.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I'm Dr. Chen. Your son had a seizure and a high temperature. We've done a spinal tap to rule out meningitis.

[Adam Curry]

Mrs. Woodman, are all Zach's immunizations up to date?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Has he had the mmr? He hasn't had it. Any immunizations? None of our children have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Boom. Did you hear this? Did you hear that? None of our children have. Boom.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Spinal tap to rule out meningitis.

[Adam Curry]

Mrs. Woodman, are all Zach's immunizations up to date?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Has he had the mmr? He hasn't had any immunizations. None of our children have. Dr. Carter. Abby, put a mask on Zach. What's the matter?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

What the hell is happening?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God. You got to get him into a lame.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Let anybody leave.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the matter with my son?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Your son has measles. That's not too bad, right? 1 in 500 kids die from measles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't have to play the whole thing. The kid dies at the end. Spoiler. But this. This Propaganda. That's even funnier to me that it's. It was. It hasn't been around for 15 years. They've been psyopping people with this nonsense and then put a mask on the kid. Nobody leaves. He's just contaminated with me.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody else has had to obviously had the shot. Why would anybody be concerned in least.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, there's good news though because by the way, that sounded a lot like Covid. You know, like, oh, it's Covid. Oh, don't leave. Put a mask on. Have you heard the latest. The latest research about the COVID 19 MRNA vaccine?

[Adam Curry]

It can't be good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's exactly good. I mean where you, you just non science believer thought that possibly these shots could be related to a spike in turbo cancer.

[Adam Curry]

For the last 12 years, we've been working on personalized MRNA cancer vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Over this time, we made an absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Fascinating discovery which is even if the MRNA is completely non specific to a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patient'S cancer, that MRNA could wake up.

[Adam Curry]

The sleeping giant that is the immune system to fight cancer. We discovered this in mouse and a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brilliant graduate student who was working with.

[Adam Curry]

Us who's now at MD Anderson asked.

[John C. Dvorak]

A brilliant question which is if non.

[Adam Curry]

Specific MRNA vaccines can wake up the immune system against cancer, what happens to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patients receiving the COVID 19 MRNA vaccine? What happens to those patients who are also receiving conventional immunotherapies? And the results were absolutely remarkable.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Patients with some of the most aggressive.

[Adam Curry]

Forms of skin and lung cancer had.

[John C. Dvorak]

A near doubling in survival outcome if.

[Adam Curry]

They received these COVID 19 mRNA vaccines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Within 100 days of also receiving conventional immunotherapy. This is one of the most exciting observations I have seen in my 20 year career as a cancer researcher. I think the confirmatory work in a prospective trial is of the utmost importance and urgency. The notion that we may be able to use a simple vaccine to awaken a patient's immune response to better fight their disease may totally change the way we think about treating cancer for the foreseeable future. Now, through the One Florida consortium, we're.

[Adam Curry]

Working to prove these results definitively in a phase three randomized controlled trial. And if proven to be true, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could revolutionize the field of cancer by.

[Adam Curry]

Allowing something like a universal cancer vaccine to be instantly available to patients around the globe to wake up their immune.

[John C. Dvorak]

System and now keep it active with.

[Adam Curry]

Some of the conventional therapies available.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey Bill, Bill, Bill. We got a problem with these MRNA COVID 19 vaccines. First of all, we got too many of them. People aren't taking them. We got to come up with something so people will want these things. You got any ideas?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, let's put a piano player in the background for starters. The hell is that all about?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's soothing. It makes you feel good. Yeah, we'll just tell everybody that it actually cures cancer. Cancer. Hey, that's great, Bill. Good job. I got another one for you. How can we profit off of all of these opioid addicted human resources? Let me think, Bill. Maybe if we sold them something that could. They could use instead of that. Would that be one? Yeah, I got it. Let's call it sublocade. Opioid addiction gets between you and what you love. Once monthly supplicate may help you move forward in your recovery. Supplicate with counseling and psychosocial support treats moderate to severe opioid addiction in adults. Started on an oral dose of buprenorphine or already on buprenorphine. Sublocade is just one dose that lasts all month long with no complete detox required. Buprenorphine should be started after the first signs of withdrawal. Sublocade may cause harm or death. If injected in a vein as an opioid, it may cause serious life threatening breathing problems. Ask about naloxone for opioid overdose. Get emergency help right away if you're faint, dizzy, sleepy, confused, have problems breathing, seeing or talking. Or if naloxone is given, don't take with other opioids, benzos, alcohol or other.

[Adam Curry]

Drugs, including street drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

This can cause severe drowsiness, decreased awareness, breathing problems, coma, and death in emergencies. Tell medical staff you're on supplicate for opioid dependence. This isn't a full list of risks and side effects. Talk to your doctor and read patient label for more information. I would love to hear from some of our producers and I know some of them struggle with opioid addiction. Have you tried these sublocade? This seems wrong to me. It's like, isn't this basically like the methadone bus or the morphine replacement? It doesn't seem like you're.

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea. I have never even heard of this until now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buprenorphine. Buprenorphine. There you go. Buprenorphine. Extended release injection. But don't inject it into your vein, they say, because that could be bad. I know we have people struggling with addiction. I'd like to know if you've tried it, if it helps because it seems to me like these guys are just ghouls jumping on the bandwagon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then the final one, which I just. This is great, particularly because I live in a state where for some reason, our governor will not follow the governor of other states like Florida and ban spraying stuff in the air. There were so many chemtrails. The whole theory goes out the window of the government shutdown. No chemtrails. Because there were a lot of chemtrails in the past few days just floating down to the ground.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you actually saw droplets coming to the ground. You actually saw that from 30,000ft, but it came down into the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not 30,000ft, John. It literally floats down to the ground. It's not 30, 30,000ft. You're confused. This. This. These are trails that form, you know, like a little wash of cloud and they just drift to the ground. Yes, I saw that in California when I lived there. These things float to the ground. That's why they're not vapor trails. Clearly. I don't know what's in them, but it's not a vapor trail. So, yes, I did see that. And it's all over Texas, but now in. Huh.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Texas probably needs to be sprayed.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, see, this is. This is when people understand that you are horrible and mean. To me, this is exactly an example. But the USDA has even better things now to. For your protection and your safety.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

There have been multiple reports of rabies around the metro Atlanta area just this year alone. And so the USDA says they're doing something. They're going to try to nip the. The problem in the bud right there at the source. So they're gonna be dropping 700,000 oral pills that are supposed to target raccoons in our area. And what they'll do is it'll stop the spread of rabies by trying to build immunity in those raccoons. So let's head over to a map that has been put on the USDA as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're dropping 700,000 rabies pills. Dropping them from the sky.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

This is something that you can ask.

[Adam Curry]

They bomb the area with rabies pills?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So in other words, on your roof, you're gonna hear a bunch of clinking and a bunch of pills are going to roll off the roof, and there's going to be a little ring of pills that the dog can eat. Is that what you're saying here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

So let's head over to a map that has been put on the USDA's website. This is something that you can access right there at home if you see the red here? That is where some of these pills have already been dropped. They're going to be coming from helicopters and airplanes flying over our areas. So red is where it's already been. Gray is where they still have to go. When is this going to happen? October 14th and October 15th. That's when helicopters will be dropping those pills. And then again on October 21st through October 28th, there are going to be some planes dropping the same pills. If they happen to land in your neighborhood, do not touch them, do not move them. They're not there for you. They're there for the raccoons to make sure that you and your fur babies don't get infected.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could possibly go wrong, Dream Robinson? Where.

[Adam Curry]

What's. This is in Texas?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is Virginia. That was Virginia? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think they're trying to. There's something else going on. This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, it's not good.

[Adam Curry]

I. I don't think it's dropping a bunch of pills.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't.

[Adam Curry]

And what's gonna. What's it. What is a raccoon gonna do? He sees these things, say, hey, babe, Phil, what do you think about these little pills they've dropped all over the place? Are we supposed to eat these things? I wouldn't eat it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The raccoons.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the raccoons eat everything they see, I guess. Well, there's been. They must be eating a lot of rocks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

This doesn't sound right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you sent me a clip of anti immigration protests in Amsterdam.

[Adam Curry]

I am very bummed out by what.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happened literally this morning because I, I saved it. I'm like, okay. And I watch it and I was like, okay. I was going to get a couple of clips from it. I am watching the clip and all of a sudden, and I'm actually, I got about a minute and a half. I'm clipping this one bit and then poof. It says. I don't remember exactly what I said, but it said, this video is no longer available. Like, oh, that's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Pull the video right out from under you. The rug right out. I'm irked by this because I sent it to you. I could have clipped some stuff out of there and I. I should have. Although it was mostly an hour long presentation of some of one of these independent journalists showing all kinds of crazy stuff going on in Holland. But you did get to watch it before you started trying to clip it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I actually got one clip, which will be worth it because it's a bunch of Dutch people. And this is what I've been saying. I've been saying the Dutch are fed up with it is legal migration. Because they keep chanting thing about the ACCs, the Aseel sucker AZCs, Aseel Zucker Centrum. So it's the asylum seekers centers which are placed all over the country. It's creating a huge mess. It's very similar to the UK with their migrant hotels. It's all part of the same program, the same system. And now the Dutch, which as the video was titled Hooligans Football Hooligans. Well, there's a lot of just normal citizens who are mad about this and they're fed up. And here's what I was able to clip from it. What's happening to the Netherlands?

[Adam Curry]

The Netherlands is rising up against mass immigration. But our country is not safe anymore for our children.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's why are we walking here. What crimes have you seen? You say it's not safe anymore?

[Adam Curry]

Murder from Lisa, sexual abuse to a lot of other stuff. And we won't want that in our country. We want safety for our children.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that in Amsterdam or across the Netherlands? Would you say across The Netherlands? On August 20, a 17 year old.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Dutch girl named Lisa was stabbed to death while cycling home to a village just outside Amsterdam after a night out. Police later arrested a 22 year old man who came into the country illegally with no id.

[John C. Dvorak]

People that come here, they come commit more crimes. You believe?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. If you look a few years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Paris it was all normal.

[Adam Curry]

Now if you go to Paris, all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Scammers, all immigration guys, and they come to the Netherlands from Paris, they don't need a passport, they want money here.

[Adam Curry]

And then they go back. You accept our norms, our values, our laws, then there's not never be a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think the Netherlands need to start deporting people who commit crimes? Not, not from this country.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

We are not doing that here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that from Africa only criminals.

[Adam Curry]

Are coming here to women, etc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Etc. So you don't think they send their best?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

So extremism is being sponsored.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Without enemy, no hero.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can think about it. So you, you guys are the heroes.

[Adam Curry]

When you come up for your own.

[John C. Dvorak]

For your own, you're always a hero.

[Adam Curry]

You have to protect your own and then your neighbor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, this is a, this is a big movement.

[Adam Curry]

But there's a couple of things I wanted to point out. One, they also interviewed a bunch of Side. People on the side who were against them. Yes, against the protest.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was at that part where. When. When the. The video became. Became unavailable. Sucks.

[Adam Curry]

And those are the same. And they were. They represented the same people that hate Trump. Yes, they were the same. The kind of lefties. Oh, the migrants are good for the diversity of the country. They're not doing anything wrong. They're here legally. There's a shame that this is happening to them, and I don't see a problem. Yeah. And there's that group, and they're. They're Dutch. And then there's also the question I had about the orange flag, which it seems to me that would be the flag they'd have, because orange is a big color there. It's like orange is their color. And so there's an orange, white, and blue flag, and then there's the red, white and blue flag, which is the official flag, but the orange flag, they're saying, look at these guys are carrying the orange. It reminds me of the British flag, the red cross on the white background.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. The. What's it called?

[Adam Curry]

Old uk, The Britain flag.

[John C. Dvorak]

The old school flag. Yes, the old flag.

[Adam Curry]

And not the UK flag, but Britain. And so they had people saying, that's a Nazi flag. And it also. A lot of them had a V and they had two little circles over the legs of the V. I didn't see that part.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't see that that was there.

[Adam Curry]

And they say, well, that's the flag. The orange flag is the one that the Nazis flew during their occupation. And so there's a bunch of fascists. These are fascists, and we need to stop them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, or orange is because of the House of Orange, because the. The Dutch royal family is orange. And that is still seen as patriotic. But considering the North Sea nexus, I would question that. I'm bummed. I. I'm bummed that I couldn't see the rest of that video. It was an hour long. I was excited about getting good clips from it. But this. This is. Is bubbling up everywhere in the eu. People are sick and tired of it. They're sick and tired of the freedom of movement of these immigrants. Like, you heard, hey, they're in Paris, the scammers, they come down here, they scam us, they go back up, they go back to go back down to Paris, all over the place. And so Queen Ursula had to make mention of this, but she and these people come into the country legally. That is true. They're not illegal immigrants. They are asylum seeker. There's a difference that's what they tried here. Asylum. I have asylum. No, you want asylum, you have to go through the actual approved port. Yeah, but I got asylum the minute I put my feet on American soil. I have asylum. Nope. So they and everything else is not illegal immigration, it's irregular immigration.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Yes. The number of irregular arrivals continues to decide decline. That is good. Policies are working. But there is a sense of frustration among Europeans. The accumulated pressure over the years has put a strain on member states resources. And I want to be very clear that our rules are also very clear. Legal migration is welcome and we will need more of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But we need more of it. Do you think hear what she's saying? Legal migration, which is the asylum seekers is welcome and we will need more of it because we're going to kill you people who live in Europe. We're bringing in a whole new replacement. This is just what she's saying.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Very clear. Legal migration is welcome and we will need more of it. But illegal migration is not. And we cannot tolerate the smugglers and traffickers working against our rules. And there is a feeling, there is a feeling that our rules are not always enforced. So we all must to do something against this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we all must to do something. We much for this. Be committed. Now, they're not going to stop anything. Anything. And I know that my friends in Holland, they applaud President Trump. They're like, hey, man, it looks like a mess, but I think it's, it's, it's good. Good what he's doing. That's what you voted for. Unfortunately, we didn't really vote for more expensive knockoff handbags and Rolexes.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight, an immigration crackdown in New York City as federal agents descended on Canal street, famous for its bargain shopping and knockoff designer goods, and parts of Chinatown. The raid part of an operation targeting illegal street vending. The scene turning chaotic as agents made arrests and pushed back the crowd.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

And it's gotten a little hairy at points with people running, people falling down in the street and federal agents running after them.

[Adam Curry]

The traffic coming to a standstill at the start of rush hour with cars trapped between law enforcement officers.

[John C. Dvorak]

The people selling those knockoff goods are.

[Adam Curry]

Often migrants, which means that federal investigation include a component of immigration enforcement. It comes amid heavy federal presence in cities across the country, from New York to Chicago to Los Angeles, where today Homeland Security officials say a U.S. marshal and a suspected undocumented immigrant with a criminal record were both shot and wounded during a targeted traffic stop. This is 20th and Trinity. Looks like they wedged the vehicle. Shots were fired.

[John C. Dvorak]

See the windows were blown out. DHS officials say agents used a standard.

[Adam Curry]

Pit maneuver to detain the suspect suspect who had escaped custody in the past.

[John C. Dvorak]

They say this time when the man.

[Adam Curry]

Rammed a federal vehicle trying to evade arrest, officers opened fire, hitting him in the elbow. A bullet ricocheting into the hand of the U. S. Marshal. Both men were hospitalized. The suspect, a tick tocker known as Richard LA18, is an influencer known for capturing video of these ICE operations in LA, even recognized by the City of LA for his contributions to the community. Last week, this dramatic border patrol chase of a suspect through a Chicago neighborhood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ended with a pit maneuver, the operation.

[Adam Curry]

Sparking anti ICE clashes between protesters and federal agents.

[John C. Dvorak]

A federal judge in Chicago concerned about.

[Adam Curry]

Aggressive tactics restricting the use of tear gas and ordering agents to wear body cameras.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty brazen, man. The tiktoker is just here illegally and then the city of LA is like.

[Adam Curry]

Gave him an award.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good man. Probably got a YouTube award too. Hang on your wall. Here you go. Good work. Interestingly, according to cnn, this has not hurt the president's polling for what it's worth.

[Adam Curry]

You know, we speak about Donald Trump shutdowns, net approval rating. We're talking 20 days into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is the shutdown, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

2018, 2019. Donald Trump's net approval rating was already falling. The shutdown was eating in and it was popular sport.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was down three points already at this particular point and would fall considerably more. Was very much on the decline. You come over to this side of the screen. This shutdown hasn't eaten into Donald Trump support at all. His net approval rating is actually up.

[Adam Curry]

A point in terms of his popular support.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the bottom line is this, the.

[Adam Curry]

First shutdown during Trump's first term. 2018, 2019 was hurting Donald Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

This one is not hurting him at all. There's no real reason.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump might say, at least when.

[John C. Dvorak]

It comes to popular support, I want.

[Adam Curry]

To get out of the shutdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was about the shutdown. Sorry, I thought it was about immigration. Doesn't matter. Polls. Polling is up. Everybody loves it.

[Adam Curry]

Polling is up. Polling is down. It's polling.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's polling. Of course it is. It's polling. We love it.

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple of screwball clips. The Gaza dead body swap clip is one of my favorites here. You know they're swapping corpses.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. Israel and Hamas are exchanging the remains of dead bodies. The two sides are doing so as part of President Trump's ceasefire plan for Gaza. NPR's Anas Baba reports from Gaza, where.

[Adam Curry]

54 of the bodies handed over by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Israel were buried today without identification or closure for families. Unlike the remains of Israeli hostages, identified using DNA and medical records, the Palestinian.

[Adam Curry]

Corpses arrived with no names and no identifying data. Gaza's whole system, including labs, has been decimated by war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dr. Munir Al Borsh, head of Gaza's hospital, says many bodies showed signs of being crushed by tanks, scouts, skulls shattered, chests flattened.

[Adam Curry]

I want to drink your blood. Israeli authorities have not responded to requests for comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad we got that clip. And you put so much effort into it, actually. So how does a guy like that.

[Adam Curry]

Get a job on npr?

[John C. Dvorak]

So Secretary Rubio is in Israel today. He's mad. He's mad because Israelis, they're doing stuff they should, shouldn't be doing. They're annexing more land. This was not the deal. Departing Washington for Israel, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio gave a stark. An Israeli annexation of the west bank would threaten President Donald Trump's Gaza deal. His comments came after the Israeli Parliament voted Wednesday to advance two annexation bills. According to Jerusalem Post, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had requested that the discussion began, postponed. The proposals, pushed by far right ministers, would extend Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank. The first bill would annex Male Adumim, a large settlement of 40,000 east of Jerusalem. The second would annex the entire West Bank. Hamas and several Arab states quickly condemned Wednesday's vote.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The kingdom stresses its complete rejection of all settlement and expansion violations perpetrated by the Israeli occupation authorities.

[John C. Dvorak]

Marco Rubio's trip to Israel comes as JD Vance is currently visiting the country. The US Vice president expressed cautious optimism about keeping the peace on track. But the Knesset's vote, along with accusations of truce violations, raises concerns over an already fragile ceasefire. The two bills will now move forward for further readings in Parliament. Dummies. Why do they do this? It's not helping anything.

[Adam Curry]

I think Netanyahu still, he's against it.

[John C. Dvorak]

He, He's. He said he didn't want this. Well, according to the report, whatever, you.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T know, you don't know the way they do this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

But have you noticed a sharp decline in anti Israel sentiment in the podcast podcast sphere?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it says I'm not the podcast expert that you are. I haven't noticed this, but it doesn't surprise me. I will mention, by the way, going back to that Dutch video that got taken down, there was an awful lot of Dutch again, people hanging Palestinian flags during this protest and, and throwing eggs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Throwing eggs at the protesters. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, I noticed that. But we also haven't seen a lot of from the river to the Sea protest that seems to have died down. In fact, I thought you would be rather upset about Candace Owen taking a break.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know anything about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's taken a break.

[Adam Curry]

Why would I be upset? I don't clip her.

[John C. Dvorak]

You love Candace Owens. You're a fan. She's like the Rihanna of podcasting. I thought you would love her.

[Adam Curry]

I am not a fan of Candace Owens. I tried to get her to do an interview years ago, and she wouldn't do any. She stiffed us.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I get the vibes. I get is that this is another example of let's use a black woman to front run everything for us, and then we'll just drop her when we don't need her anymore with her whole extended family of British royalty and barony, etc. So now she's taking a break.

[Adam Curry]

I have it on good authority that this husband of hers is this farmer guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And this is from somebody in D.C. and he's been. He hits on. He hits on the men.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you had this on good authority.

[Adam Curry]

And it's on good authority.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he's hitting for the other team behind her back, is what you're saying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he could be a switch hitter.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so here she is taking a break a now announcing her break.

[Adam Curry]

He has to be a switch hitter. By the way, she's got four kids. You know, they've been married for, like, two years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And she's cranked out four babies already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you sure? I thought she only had two.

[Adam Curry]

No, I think. Well, let's look it up. She's got at least three. I think it's four. Up to four.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she leaves with a parting blow towards Israel and somewhat towards President Trump as she takes her break.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Just really needed to just take a breather and really process everything that happened with Charlie and what it kind of means in terms of where we are. And I think it is a circumstance where we all. We just know. We just know that he was truly betrayed in one of the most egregious ways that I think I've ever seen. It has made me lose faith in politics. It's made me fully lose faith in Trump. And I just, like. I just. My heart aches for the fact that he me.

[Adam Curry]

Gave.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Gave so much of his life to Trump into politics. And they just were like, nope, that is it. It serves us or doesn't serve us, and we want to move on. And so here's A holiday, bro. If they try to give me a holiday. What is with them giving people a holiday after they kill them? Why is that a thing?

[Adam Curry]

You know what I mean?

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Like, oh, Martin Luther King. What about this holiday? What about this boulevard? Anyways, let me. They're gonna get chocolate Boulevard. They already did. They did in Israel. They gave them freaking bullet. It's like as soon as they give you a boulevard in the holiday holiday, they definitely killed you, okay? There's no question they killed you. There's no way. That's like their signature thing. It's like that's what they do. It's. It's the fed signature. It's time they sign off after they murder you. They're like holiday in a boulevard. And it's never on the nice side of town either. Like, Charlie Kirk Boulevard is not gonna be a nice side town. Anyways, I will be back on the 27th, you guys. Thank you guys for all the support throughout these couple of weeks, these last really kind of six weeks since Charlie died. And we will see you guys then.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there it is.

[Adam Curry]

Four kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unless you've been married longer than two years, I presume.

[Adam Curry]

Well, well, I guess maybe three. She might just non stop cranking out kids when she married that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I don't know. Now she needs to take a break and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, why would she take that? Makes no sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because she doesn't want to have a holiday or, or a boulevard named after her. She feels she's.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's why she thinks she's going to get. She's a target.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly. Because you know, she's speaking truth. And by the way, was, was I right when we, when you, you, you brought the Tucker Carlson clips. You brought the clips. I said bad idea supply. And lo and behold, the, the complaints rolled in. You're just jealous of his success. I think we said the opposite. I said I'm glad I don't have to. To do this. It's. It's baffling. People do not like it when you, when you deconstruct media in the podcast realm, then, then you're shooting inside the tent. You're no good. You're a problem. You're jealous.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it doesn't make much sense because Tucker Carlson's always been a mainstream guy anyway. Now she's. He's the headliner at the Charlie Kirk events. Out of the blue.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they don't have events right now, do they?

[Adam Curry]

They just had a big giant event today, I think. University of Indiana. Huge. And then the headliner was Tucker. Is this the one doing the Charlie Kirk back and forth and even though it's in his style, which is very not Charlie Kirk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Is this the one where he moaned about bitcoin Again?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if that was. If he did or not. This is just recent, like a couple days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on a second. I have it here. So I thought this was old. Someone sent this to me. I thought this was a really old one. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's just. And he's booked for the next event. Charlie Kirk event. He's going to be the headliner. I think this is co option. I think he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was it, where was the.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was University of Indiana. That's what I remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well he. I thought this was old but the, the expo says this just in. So that's why I'm thinking maybe you're right. And here he is and nobody can.

[Adam Curry]

Explain to me who Satoshi was the creator of bitcoin. This mysterious guy who apparently died, but nobody knows who he was. You know, I grew up in D.C. primarily in a government family.

[John C. Dvorak]

So CIA.

[Adam Curry]

That's my guess. Can't prove it. But like you're telling me to invest in something whose founder is like mysterious and has billions of dollars of unused bitcoin. Like what is that? And no one can answer the question. Including some of the biggest holders of bitcoin in the world. Do I know personally they're like, oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't matter what matters to me.

[Adam Curry]

Right. And nobody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So he thinks bitcoin was created by, you know, CIA.

[Adam Curry]

I think this is co option. I think he's co opted the. This is what happened to the Tea Party, if you recall.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

The Tea Party was. Which was really a Ron Paul thing and then a true grassroots was taken over by some old Republicans. Old rhino type Republicans kind of took it over and co opted it and ruined it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's true.

[Adam Curry]

And this is I think is what's happening here that you know, thought it was going to be Kirk's wife but I think she's not that bright and she's probably would give into the father figure of Tucker and I think Tucker's going to take the thing over and then drive it off a cliff. I'm going to show my support by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. On no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you heard it here first. We'll keep our eye on it. That may not be a very bad theory at all. I can't disagree with it. And John Cdvorak, who can disagree with you, helping us list off the rest of our supporters. $50 and above for episode 1810. Just days before our 18th anniversary.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, everybody should make note the 18th anniversary can use some support. Now, the first person here, $118 is someone from. From Amsterdam. And I would pronounce it Keel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me take a look. It's a ca. Heel. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Dame reed in Sparks, Nevada. 11023. She's back. Good dame. Early turtle in Topeka, Kansas. 103. 33 dame early.

[John C. Dvorak]

Early turtle.

[Adam Curry]

That's what her name is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Early turtle.

[Adam Curry]

There's plenty of box turtles in Kansas.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the early turtle.

[Adam Curry]

And they cross the road and get hit. Robert petta in Sacramento, California. 100. Al Gonsolin, 8438. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. He sent a note in saying he never got the newsletter. A lot of people didn't get the newsletter. We had a very short fall in the newsletter because there was something in the news newsletter that got banned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta find a Calacanis. Tells me to get to a different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any Calicanis is talking to you?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he talks to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he used to talk to me, but he doesn't talk to me anymore.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's just telling me what I'm doing wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, that's talking. That's. That's Jason talking. This is Jason.

[Adam Curry]

And. And the main thing he's telling me is to get off mailchimp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, a lot of people tell me get off mailchimp.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, 8008 from Kevin McLaughlin. He's the Archduke of Luna. He says PSA big and small saved them all. Breast Cancer Awareness Awareness month.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know it either. John Tomcz in Royal Oak, Michigan. 7878 North Nexus.

[John C. Dvorak]

North Nexus.

[Adam Curry]

Donation 7878. Okay, we'll make it that Dame Ellen in Montgomery, Alabama. 7777 is a happy birthday to his. My illustrious brother, sir. Dug it up at the sharp shovel who turned seven squared on Tuesday 49. Yeah, she needs a deduching. You've been de douched. Brian Kaufman in Scottsdale. 7575. Nicholas Leary in Columbus, Ohio. 7272. Dave Eric Johnson in Grandview. Height, I think. Or Heights in Ohio. 6767. Which is something. It's our donation. The new donation. 67. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California. 6440. Which is 66 boobs and 66 books. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. 66 books for 40 authors.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it says 66 boobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hardly.

[Adam Curry]

And 40 authors, which would be the same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Matthew janik in Novi, Michigan. 6581. You don't know enough authors. Matthew Elwood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Matthew Janik means a de douching.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched. Matthew Elwi. Wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is an important donation amount. 6581. The amount is a petition to include 1981 in general. Generation X. Since we became adults in the 1900s. I'm. I'm not even officially anymore in Gen X, so I. I can't make a ruling on that. Sorry. Matthew.

[Adam Curry]

Another Matthew, coincidentally. Elwart in Weatherford, Texas. 6006 Small Boobs. Matt B. In. I guess I don't know what the word.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say. Asley.

[Adam Curry]

Asley, Texas. I guess. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another D.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched. And curiously. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. 6006. James Springer in Ann Arbor, Michigan. 60 or 55. 55.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has a very. Has a very nasty note.

[Adam Curry]

Problem is you two need an editor. I have to sit through the seventh grade humor and Adam's mocking voices. Give us all a break and do what you do best. Media analysis. Too much wasted time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's mocking voices now?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but I don't have that one voice that you have, which is a classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a classic. It's a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Frank, we have to stop. You know what? I think this guy, James Springer in Ann arbor, Michigan. A 3555 donation is right. We're wasting time. We waste a lot of time and we spend way too much time mocking people. Yes, and we should probably cut it out and be much more mature.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you go first.

[Adam Curry]

James Chapetta Chipetta, I think, in Carpenterville, Illinois. 5291. That's serious. Sean Murphy in South Lyon, Michigan. 5272. Bob Newell in Penfield, Pennsylvania. 5250. Happy 18th anniversary. He's ahead of. Ahead of the group. And that came in as a check. Boris Martin, 5005. Matthew Sikora in New Richmond, Wisconsin. 50. Oh, these are all the $50 donors. There's not a lot of them, but we got a few. Name and location only, starting with Michael and then Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California. Lisa Rosa in Highland Park, Illinois. Michael Myers in Mendeville, Louisiana. Ox Othericks in Buffalo, New York not looking for any special treatment. He writes just ox otheris other lyrics, that's all. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wants you to say what a name. Wow, what a name, what a name.

[Adam Curry]

What a great name that is. He should be a disc jockey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Dame Knight, our last our last supporter in Edmonds, Washington want to thank her and everybody else in the she's actually a baroness I think at the moment. Everyone who's show 1810 and we're getting to 1811 which would be the 18th year of the no Agenda show and then we get to the War of.

[John C. Dvorak]

1812 and we thank these producers as well as our executive and associate executive producers who we thanked earlier on. Appreciate that we did get a note from a Knight, Knight Pierlemons and I'll just so his wife passed away from asbestos related cancer, most likely caused by exposure at Shepherd Air Force Base in Texas. And he's been trying to find a law firm to help him out. And so fear not Knight, I have passed your details on to Rob the Constitutional lawyer. He's on the road right now but he will be reaching out to you. We are a full service podcast here. Please note that thank you again. Everybody who supports the best podcast in the universe you can go to no agendadonations.com it's real easy. All you have to do is just send back all the value you receive from the show. You can do it right now. Now do it today. Do it for our 18th anniversary. Noagendadonations.com Shorty Today we have the blonde girlfriend wishing Sir Scobie a very happy birthday. And Dave Allen, she wishes her illustrious brother sir dug it up of the sharp shovel, a very happy one. He turned seven square by my calculations, 49 on October 21st. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Yes, we do have two title changes today. Sir Boiled Peanut becomes a viscount and another viscount Viscount status for Sir Ken of Pennsyl Tucky becomes the Viscount of South Felton thanks to re upping and another $1,000 in aggregate to the Noah Jenner show. Thank you very much. We appreciate that so much. And then these will be the final I believe Secretary generals everyone came in right underneath the wire. And that means the last time you will hear this ear room of a jingle. All hail to the secretary's generals. Cause they are the ones.

[Adam Curry]

Secretary General.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the note agenda show. And we congratulate the Secretary General of South Felton, Sir Boiled Peanut. Secretary General and Capistan Secretary General of the Republic of Alberta and Brandon Keefer, also a Secretary general. Go to noagendarings.com fill out all the information information so we can send those final Secretary General's certificates to you. All hail to the Secretary's Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the Secretary's Generals on the no Agenda show. And remember the International Peace Prize can be yours. The no Agenda International Peace prize. Go to noagendadonations.com for more information. And it's time now for the meetups. Yeah baby. Connection is protection. You go to an oun to meet up you will make long lasting relationships. People who will be your first responders in an emergency. And Sir Scott the Jew sent this North Idaho Sandy Brigade meetup report in. I must have missed it somehow so he resent it. And here we go hanging out here.

[Adam Curry]

Once again on the message at the Trails Inn Brewery in Coeur d'. Alene. This is the North Idaho San Diego Brigade and Sir Scott the Jew recording this meetup report on our brand new pod mobile that we got for our hyper local podcast covering North Idaho. No ID show dot com. Thanks Adam for the inspiration. This is Sir Donald Firebottle, Secretary General of Greater Idaho. Certain counties would rather be in Idaho. That's why I claimed the moniker Brad.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

The Gold Ding cowgirl here. Hey, I'm Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Keep shooting up that tent.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Don't let him stop your free speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, I mean freedom of speech in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Jack.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can weld but I can't read clock.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

My father in law is here for his first meetup ever, but he won't say anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does that make him a douchebag? This is Jason here in Coran, Idaho.

[Adam Curry]

Enjoying some good brews and some good pizza with a bunch of good people.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

This is Rachel from Post Falls. I'm here with my smoking hot husband and my four day old human resource in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is Brian from Post Falls. Spook with the federal government.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please call your senator.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I'm about to have to work for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Free starting on Monday.

[Adam Curry]

Good God.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lacey from Post Falls, Idaho recently de.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Douched and smelling fresh.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, my name is Megan McLemore.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

I was everyone's server tonight at Trails and Brewery. It was really fun. Everyone was super nice and super great and also I'm 20 years old. Everyone always asks me hey, what does this beer taste like? What does the cider taste like? Man, I have no clue.

[Adam Curry]

Hey error, why is Adam so mean to John?

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Thank you very much Sir Scott the Jew for your report we have the Happy birthday no agenda meetup taking place almost as we speak in about an hour or so. 4:19 Arizona time Canyon's crown in Tucson, Arizona. Dame Beth getting the the party started early on Saturday. The Los Altos meetup kicks off at 4 o' clock at State Street Market in Los Altos, California. The TMI evac zone will have their meetup on Sunday and they sent a promo.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Hey dad, would you rather watch Jedi or go to a no agenda meetup?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the boys watch CNN so we don't have to. And a meetup is like a party, so meet up. In fact, let's make it a no agenda. Would you rather meet up and ask each other questions? Join us this Sunday at 3:33 in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Camp Hill and on Monday in Berlin. The ITM Slaves Berlin Meetup 7:33 Berlin Time Volks Bar at Rosa Luxembourg Platz in Berlin, Germany. Tal from Berlin will be hosting that and we hope that he sends us a meet up report with their server at the moment. Still coming up in October, Alfredo, Georgia on the 30th and Leiden in the Netherlands on the the 31st. Those are just a few of the many no agenda meetups taking place around the world. Zurich, Switzerland on November 15th is everywhere. These things go to no AgendaMeetups.com where you can find all the meetups listed on a handy calendar. You can you know what it is if you can't find one near you. If you're living someplace where no one is scheduled to meet up, start one yourself. Guaranteed easy and always a party.

[Adam Curry]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nights and days you to be where you won't be triggered on hell. As we wind down the show, we still have three, three wonderful end of show mixes to come and these will be published this time we'll be putting them into the clips archive and of course crediting the end of show mixers as always that we have John's tip of the day and ISO time now which is the last clip we pay on the show at the very end. John, you have two. I see. Would you like to go first?

[Adam Curry]

I want you to go first. That way I can defer.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's showbiz, baby. I kind of like that one myself. And then always going back to the classic archive. Ooh, people really love that. He's the master. He's the master.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you. We just did one of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the master.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so, so I got Trump. Oh, that's music to my ears. I love that sound.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sound of money. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What was the sound of the show? Yeah, and I have our buddy this Is Kennedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Pickle my Bunions, that's what I call a good show. Oh, man. Why did you cut it off?

[Adam Curry]

That was it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't end nicely. Well, pickle my Bunions, that's what I call all a good show. Show. It's not a great Ed. Who edited that? Did you edit that?

[Adam Curry]

It's the way he talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

I know you like. You like the more religious style where you go show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, showa. Exactly. Showa. That's okay. I'll accept it. Bunions it is. But first, before we do anything, it is time for John C. Dvorak's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam. All right, here's a drinking tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

We all need one of those.

[Adam Curry]

So there's a product out there. Jim Beam has bought up most of the distilleries, a lot of this big brands and they're. They're, re. They're putting them out again in new labels and they're. And they're trying to beef up the line of what's called the Olds, the big trend.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Olds like vintage olds? Vintage.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Olds like Old Granddad, Old Hole, Overholt, Old Crow. And so I'm bringing in this one that's just came out called Crow 86, which is a bourbon and it's $11.90. So it's a cheap bourbon and it is excellent for this one. And it's. And the label is dynamite because it just says Crow Big in big letters, Crow 86. And you can get it almost. I mean, this is one of their. That problem I have with what. What Beam is doing is that they brought out something called Old Crow Reserve about six months. Months ago. And then they. Which was a stunner and I was going to put on mention it, but then they took it off. It was just one month and they took it off the market. So if you see Old Crow Reserve. Get it. Get that. But. Oh, but Crow86 is quite good for the 11 bucks. This is a cheap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another cheap alcohol.

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to keep the price down for people so they can give us better donations. So it's just a practical thing. Now I want to mention something. So I'm watching some of these. These characters that are doing. This is for people you ever want to professionally or look like you maybe know how to taste professionally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Because I, I got scolded for making the same mistake that I'm going to describe when you're tasting in a competition with professionals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, is this for wine or anything?

[Adam Curry]

This. I'm going to make it's for. For spirits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spirits.

[Adam Curry]

It's harder to do the spirits than it is the wine. Why? But with wine, you'll see when you're tasting professionally with wine tasters at all pros, they're swirling and swirling the glass, and you get, you know, you see it at the restaurants. The guys swirl in the glass, and a lot of them slurp, make a slurping sound, which is kind of gauche, but they do it ghost. Yeah. Slurp the wine so you get it aerated in your mouth. So with spirits, I did this because I had. I was in one of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're a spirit swiller.

[Adam Curry]

I was. I swirled and I just got the glares. These are professionals that are in the industry, in the distilling business, a lot of people from Scotland and elsewhere. And you do not swirl when you're professionally tasting a spirit. You don't swirl spirits. If you do, you're an idiot. And so when you swirl spirits, what happens is it just brings up straight alcohol. You don't really get to smell what's going on. You get hammered.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't get hammered.

[Adam Curry]

You don't get hammered. You spit the stuff out. Anyway, the point is, is that you don't. You can't evaluate properly if you're swirling and swirling spirits, because that's what you do with wine. So I'm watching some of these videos of these guys tasting the Crow 86, and there's two guys that seem very knowledgeable about all the detail, details of the flavors, but they're both got the little glasses, they're swirling away like crazy. Stop it. So stop swirling your spirits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there you go. Find them [e-mail] John's Tip of the.

[Adam Curry]

Day and sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that is a good tip. Stop swirling your spirits, people. You're making yourself look dumb. Is that basically the message?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's the message exactly. So I have no idea what is next on the no Agenda stream. It seems to be a mystery today, but something will pop up. Something always does. But end of show mixes from Bonald, Crabtree, Scary Trout, End the OF and mvp. Remember, we are now accepting AI end of show mixes. We will be publishing them since there's no copyrights, no pros or lmnops or whatever. So you can download them to your heart's extent, play them wherever you want to, play them on your podcast and make them no longer than a minute and a half, if possible. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

Now, from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will be back for our 18th anniversary on Sunday. Please join us. It's going to be a hooten Addy, no doubt about it. And of course, as always, remember [e-mail] value for value, every single show until Sunday. Adios, mofos. A hooey, hooey and such aboard. Hey grandpa, show me some crazy videos from the Internets, please. I love it. I love it. It's so great. Oh, man. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

So I can do that for you. It's sexy grandpa time.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not your daddy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm your grandpa. I'm not your daddy, I'm your grandpa. Spook has been detected in the troll room. This ain't no movie, it's a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cast cat play around when you leave.

[Adam Curry]

A bad tip I hold your plate.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

By my ass and let one rip.

[Adam Curry]

I cry on camp on my Tik.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tok rift no bus I go to.

[Adam Curry]

Slip clubs each day in a lift Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. That no kings protest gay ass Go, go, go, go.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning with Adam C and.

[Adam Curry]

The one and only jcd. The tip of the day don't tip your waiter. The show's not over. See you later. ABCD 1, 2, 3 no agendas, living free 6, 7, just 8, 9 up if you get married, better sign a preup Go. My aunt's a member of Antifa Changed her first name to La Quiva Then she opened those doves and big yell for help only her crickets Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. DJ Trump, eternal king Shout it loud on every street Fascism is on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rise I now sell bridges wanna buy.

[Adam Curry]

Baby, I got what I got what.

[John C. Dvorak]

You need no agendas at Epic with.

[Adam Curry]

Team fat pills, you know what I mean? Hey. Go grandpa, go Grandpa. Go Grandpa. Go grandpa. Sexy grandpa time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grandpa, Papa, grandpa, come look at my Minecraft look at my blocks in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody please gather around.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you're not sitting down, do so now. It's time that you've been hit in the mouth it's time to deconstruct the.

[Adam Curry]

Media.

[John C. Dvorak]

With no agenda. First things first, let me tell you what you need A modern podcast in the RSS feed for the no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deconstruct the Media with no agenda episodes drop on Thursday and Sunday.

[Adam Curry]

Download.

[John C. Dvorak]

An episode, Click the triangle to get play now you're ready to deconstruct the.

[Adam Curry]

Media.

[John C. Dvorak]

With no agenda Adam Curry and.

[Adam Curry]

John C. The Barack will be our.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guys Breaking down the media's lives Deconstruct the media with no agenda down in a dark heart of the Internet where the show notes are deep and wide Sits a couple of fellas Ain't got no agenda they got nothing to hide There's Adam Curry the pop father with.

[Adam Curry]

His finger on the pulse and is out on a private and boomer John C. Deverect the voice of reason Looking.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the news with suspicious eyes they.

[Adam Curry]

Talking context they're talking audio they're breaking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Down the spin they ain't selling you.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

Nothing Just two guys having a conversation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right where they begin they're the pod father and the voice of reason Stirring.

[Adam Curry]

Stirring up the dust and the dirt.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S no agenda ain't got nothing to sell you so put that tinfoil hat.

[Various Reporters/Guests]

On your shirt they say context is.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Various Reporters/Guests]

The Clean Stream.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org N A well, pickle my bunions. That's what I call a good show.