1813 - "Lunchbox"

Summary

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No Agenda Show – Episode 1813 “Lunchbox”

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: November 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of the No Agenda Show, Adam and John deconstruct media narratives around several trending topics, including daylight saving time, U.S. and global economic politics, media consolidation, the role of independent journalism, the proliferation and impact of pornography (especially among Gen Z), changes in European and U.S. politics, digital currency, health care, food systems, and media labeling. The show is interspersed with sharp banter, irreverent humor, and deep skepticism concerning mainstream reporting, offering “Gitmo Nation” listeners a wide-ranging, entertaining, and critical take on news and cultural topics.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

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1. Daylight Saving Time: The Elites Want You Tired

00:41 – 02:34

• Adam and John lampoon the biannual daylight saving time change, discussing media coverage of its health effects.
• They play and comment on clips outlining medical recommendations and lobbyist efforts for ending the ritual.
• Notable Quote:
  • ("Most Americans are not in favor of daylight saving time." – John, 01:42)
  • ("Poor sleep contributes to chronic health issues." – John, 02:18)

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2. Murder Mystery Parties and Young No Agenda Listeners

03:00 – 04:55

• John details attending a murder mystery party full of “No Agenda” listeners, expressing joy that the show’s audience is trending younger.
• Notable Quote:
  • "I'm just happy there's young people listening to our show. That's all I'm happy about." – John, 04:55

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3. Argentina, Oil, and Global Currency Swaps

04:58 – 06:35

• Conversation about an Argentine oil bonanza, value of USD vs. yuan, and U.S.-Argentine/Chinese currency deals.
• Trump’s maneuvering in South America and potential implications for oil markets discussed.

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4. AI Slop Music Stream: Building an Exit Strategy

07:06 – 08:25

• John discusses his experimental “AI Slop Stream”—an internet radio of end-of-show mixes and odd music, asking for listener promos and content (under 1:30 min).
• Notable Quote:
  • "We're gonna turn this into a dynamite exit strategy. The whole world will be bopping to our stream, baby." – John, 08:11

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5. Media Ownership, Israel, and Glenn Greenwald Explodes

08:34 – 30:45

• A deep dive into Glenn Greenwald’s claims on the ValueTainment podcast about Larry Ellison buying CBS, accusations about pro-Israel influence in U.S. media, and supporting Israel over America.
• John and Adam critique Greenwald’s logic, push back on anti-Semitic tropes, challenge his timelines, and question whether any of this media consolidation really matters when legacy TV news has shrinking audiences.
• Extended satire on the supposed Jewish control of media and TikTok, with jabs at the “panic” over younger U.S. voters turning against Israel.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Larry Ellison panics over nothing. I can tell you that for sure." – John, 19:33
  • "The Jews control the media that no one cares about. This is amazing." – John, 30:03

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6. The Pornography Plague: Gen Z, Dysfunction, and OnlyFans

37:14 – 71:31

• Analysis of the Fuentes–Tucker Carlson interview about Gen Z, porn addiction, and declining real-world relationships.
• John shares church stories of men coping with porn addiction.
• Adam traces the rise of online porn back to deregulation during the Clinton years, discussing BBS systems, Usenet, and OnlyFans.
• They connect porn proliferation to social dysfunction, the rise of “incels”, and discuss how OnlyFans and amateur porn have mainstreamed and monetized sex work.
• Fuentes and John argue that easy online porn undermines forming relationships and that regulating these companies would be popular.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "This is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional... because of pornography." – Nick Fuentes, 42:53
  • “I took this as a confession from Nick Fuentes. I really did. And maybe he's moved beyond it, but that's pretty detailed. And, man, I think it's spot on.” – John, 58:40

Subtopics

• Porn and Gender/Sexuality:
  • Discussion on whether online porn leads to increased gender dysphoria or bisexuality/trans identities.
• OnlyFans & Blackmail:
  • The business model, blackmail potential, and stories of women making millions but feeling empty.
• Regulation & Digital Currency:
  • Speculation that the rise of central bank digital currency could choke off payments to the porn industry.

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7. European Politics, Dutch Elections, & Media Manipulation

79:07 – 97:03

• Reporting on recent Dutch elections and the alleged manipulation by legacy media, illustrated by leftist, pro-EU, pro-migration candidates winning.
• John connects European “positive” populism campaigns to U.S. political strategies.
• Adam and John debate whether this legacy media power really persists in the U.S., citing voting statistics.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "You can't. The Dutch listen to radio. I mean, even young people listen to the radio... It's all very scripted, coordinated, very, you know, USSR kind of vibe." – John, 91:35

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8. U.S. Government Shutdown: SNAP, Health Care, and Food Banks

97:54 – 117:58

• A comprehensive look at the government shutdown's impact, focusing on SNAP/food-stamp funding, health insurance (Obamacare), and price changes at supermarkets.
• John explains how government funding cycles and political theater distort food and healthcare systems, with real consequences for ordinary Americans.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "Obamacare subsidies only goes to bankers... they are jacking up the rates because they don't want to look bad on Wall Street." – John, 104:49

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9. Chocolate Scandal & Climate Tech Failures

148:24 – 157:47

• John shares how chocolate labeling is changing due to rising cocoa prices and climate change, with "milk chocolate" being replaced by "chocolate candy".
• Analysis of the Denmark “Bovair” scandal: a cow-feed additive to cut methane, resulting in mass bovine illness and deaths.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "This reduces methane emissions from dairy cows by 27 to 30%... (but) farmers witnessed sudden collapses, high fevers, diarrhea, mastitis, and deaths." – John, 156:14

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10. Kamala Harris’ Strange Riff; AI Disguises and Lunchbox Scam

157:56 – 166:44

• John and Adam break down Kamala’s awkward “stars in our party” rant on Jon Stewart’s podcast.
• They play a viral “professors angry at ChatGPT” audio, only to reveal it’s an ad for Lunchbox AI—a tool to hide AI-generated content (and an example of emergent BS marketing).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Lunchbox is trusted by 300,000 world class teams, professionals and writers to scam People.” – John, 163:43

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11. Wrap-up: Meetups, Listener Donations, and JCD’s Booze Tip

187:05 – End

• Standard community segment: live meetup reports, listener credits, value-4-value thank-yous.
• JCD's "tip of the day": Try Tanqueray Rangpur lime gin.
• Show finishes with humor and camaraderie, promising more irreverent media deconstruction next episode.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "Most Americans are not in favor of daylight saving time."
  – John C. Dvorak, 01:42

• "The Jews control the media that no one cares about."
  – John C. Dvorak, 30:03

• "This is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional... because of pornography."
  – Nick Fuentes, 42:53

• "You can go on any search engine and find anything you want [porn]."
  – Adam Curry, 46:51

• "If you're white, you're a racist. If you're male, you're a pig..."
  – Duke of San Francisco, 134:40

• "Just so you know, it's Boomer talk on the eights."
  – John C. Dvorak, 50:13

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Show Highlights & Running Jokes

• John’s AI Slop Music “exit strategy”
• Adam’s “Boomer talk” reminiscences about the Internet’s early days
• Eternal disbelief at recurring media consolidations
• Lampooning of political talking points from the far left and right
• Long rants on the health care system, food inflation, and digital currency
• Old-school podcaster energy: “No ads, no corporate money, just two guys in their 60s deconstructing the media”

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Conclusion

This episode of No Agenda is classic Curry-Dvorak: sprawling, funny, skeptical, and deeply engaged in deconstructing everything from media mergers to frenetic podcasting trends and the digitization of sex, news, money, and even food. The show’s unique blend of technical insight, political irreverence, and cultural satire remains intact as they mark nearly two decades of independent audio ministry.

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For full show notes, producer art, jingles, and to contribute, visit: noagendashow.com

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

None. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, November 2, 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your award winning Kimbo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1813 this is no Agenda nuking the North Sea Nexus and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we've determined that the Democrats are lunatics, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, have we now? You mean the everyone who's a Democrat or just the. The representatives who are Democrats? I mean people who. There can be people who are misguided and. And vote Democrat, but they may not be total lunatics.

[Adam Curry]

And your point?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. How was that extra hour of sleep for you?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't take it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean you didn't take it?

[Adam Curry]

I didn't take it. I got up at the right. I got up with the same cycle left the clock I do going this way, I leave everything the same and I get up at the time allotted that was original. And then I turn the clocks back and say, oh my God, I'm up an hour early.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting how you were still grumpy though.

[Adam Curry]

Be happy.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, okay. I know why you're grumpy. Better I know where you're going.

[Adam Curry]

So in the other way, when it goes the other way, I set the clocks the night before so I can kind of gear myself up for the fact I'm gonna lose an hour.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, as always, there's a report on what the elites are doing to kill us this time. Most Americans are not in favor of daylight saving time. The American Academy of Sleep Medicine is among groups urging lawmakers to eliminate seasonal time changes and enact permanent standard time.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

On permanent standard time, we have more light in the and we know that morning light is best for our mood and for our health. The second reason is that darkness in the morning actually has some safety risks. The third reason is because the alignment of the rising and setting of the sun is more consistent with our internal clock. People sleep better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Poor sleep contributes to chronic health issues.

[Adam Curry]

Including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, as well as cancer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're dying.

[Adam Curry]

And depression.

[John C. Dvorak]

While some experts say the autumn change.

[Adam Curry]

Can be easier to manage, there are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Still some tips to make falling back.

[Adam Curry]

Feel a bit better.

[John C. Dvorak]

That starts with getting at least seven hours of sleep at night, before and.

[Adam Curry]

After the time change and maintaining a consistent sleep schedule.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Adjust the timing of your daily routines and time cues right away starting on Sunday, so clock back one hour in the evening before the time change so that when you wake up, it's easy to get on that new schedule and then spend some time outdoors. Get that morning light.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bright light will help set your internal.

[Adam Curry]

Clock to the time change, which will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Help with sleep and being alert. I was actually. I was actually quite happy that we. We had a party last night that we went to. Yeah, a murder mystery party.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oh, hello. Hello. 1990s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was good. This was Maverick. You know, my periodontist, he had it at his house. This is the house that's on the airport that has the hangar with the plane in it that I think I paid for the door, at minimum. It was kind of cool, though. It was old Wild west. And I was Billy the bartender, Tina was Poker Alice. And you know that you're dealing. So first of all, these are. All people are younger, they're in their 30s, some maybe. Maybe early 40s. So we were just happy you were invited to anything. And you know that. You know that you're dealing with no agenda listeners, because everyone's in character. And so this one character comes up to me and says, you know that Poker Alice, she's no good. I said, what do you mean? She says, she's an op. I'm like, okay. In the morning. Yeah, in the morning. It was good. I love it. It was so. And she actually wrote a really naughty note to you that she gave me. You want to hear it?

[Adam Curry]

I guess.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's the deal, cowboy. You tell that naughty little dvorak that even though he ain't used to the dusty, sweaty women you find round these parts, she wrote it in character. I promise he'll hear the way we bite harder than a rattler. And if he buys me a drink and whispers words in my ear like it's an op or she's a spook, I'll offer him something far warmer and wetter than whiskey. Eh, you should have been there.

[Adam Curry]

That's disgusting.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just happy there's young people listening to our show. That's all I'm happy about.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we get a lot of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they're here because. Because they want to learn something that's real, not all this nonsense that they're getting everywhere. Oh, by the way, one of the. One of the people there, the guy's deep into Argentina with his work. He says, this deal was so great, this swap and having Milei win. So first of all, the $20 billion that we swapped for Argentine pesos, which we made a bundle on, by the way, because the minute Milei One minute.

[Adam Curry]

You do that, it goes up immediately.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And he won. And it went up even more. It basically was a swap out for 18 billion of Chinese dollars. Whatever. So President Trump basically kicked out. I don't know if it might have been a. I don't know if it was a yuan swap or a Chinese dollar swap. That's possible.

[Adam Curry]

Chinese. There is no Chinese. It's a won.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they don't. They have dollars.

[Adam Curry]

No, they use the one and the rem also called the renminbi.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I understand. But they own dollars.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think it was an $18.

[Adam Curry]

Billion American dollars the Chinese did. I wouldn't. I would do it with the yuan personally. Better idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Either way, the. The big deal is that now there's an Argentinian oil bonanza rivaling the Permian Basin.

[Adam Curry]

Where'd they find this?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. We were too busy in the game. I didn't get the details, but I have his number. I'll get the details from him. And his company is there. He's like, this is going to be great.

[Adam Curry]

Could be off the coast, I guess maybe. We had a lot of oil off of our coast in California. If you recall those old pictures from the twenties with all those oil rigs that are off the Long beach area coast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Replaced by windmills now. Right.

[Adam Curry]

There's nothing there. The windmills are all in Palm Springs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Anyway, it was good. It was a lot of fun and all falling over. And I also set up the stream. I set up our AI slop stream.

[Adam Curry]

Well, from the sounds of today's songs, there's going to be plenty of slop to put on there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, but you know, when you hear them kind of in context and interspersed with other end of shows and our jingles, it's kind of interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got a whole format. So right now we have two slops an hour. We're doing two slops an hour. Two slops an hour? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I have a rotation clock. Sure. We got two slops an hour.

[Adam Curry]

We have a clock that has promotions for the various shows on the no agenda stream.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course, if they send me promos, I'll promote them. I'll put them in.

[Adam Curry]

You heard it, boys.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I just put the stream URL because I figured we have all these names like Gitmo Jams, pre produced pop, lots of slop, the Emo Algo, the Human Input, the Turing Test Tunes. There's too much. So why don't y' all just take that stream yes, take that, it's in the show notes as well. And just do something with it. Put build your own website, whatever you want. Send me your promo, me your slop. Minute 30 max or they get deleted right away. You're sending me anything over a minute 30, it's out. Not interested. And we'll turn this into a dynamite exit strategy. The whole world will be bopping to our stream, baby, it's going to be fantastic. I'm telling you, it's going to be.

[Adam Curry]

Great if we can sell the stream off to some sucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well yeah, you know, it was possible. It's possible.

[Adam Curry]

Paramount.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh well that brings me right away to the self hating Jew Green, Glenn Greenwald, which will actually lead into your. I think will lead into your. I was surprised. I see that you watched the Tucker Fuentes.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know, I watched the whole thing and I have to say. And I'm not pre. I'm not. How would I say it? I'm not pre programmed to like or dislike Fuentes because I've never seen or heard of him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uh huh. Well, so you don't know how he's somewhat different on his own shows than he is so.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have no clue. I'm just going by what he did on Tucker and his discussion with Tucker and Tucker and him, I guess had a beef.

[John C. Dvorak]

I told you.

[Adam Curry]

And they were going back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. FBI versus the CIA.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they had a beef of some sort and so Tucker invited him on the show and they became. I'm surprised they weren't kissing at the end, to be honest about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, I think, honestly I think we're looking at North Sea nexus with the Pilgrim. I mean there's something going on here.

[Adam Curry]

There's a couple of clips I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to do them?

[Adam Curry]

Collection. Well, first you had some, some intro clip of some sort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, well, it's a series of four, if you can handle it.

[Adam Curry]

About what?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Glenn Greenwald.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yes, I definitely want to hear. Yes, I think setting us up with Glenn Greenwald is always good. As long as. I hope that you've cut him back a bit. Chatterbox chase.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, even worse, he was on valuetainment. This is why.

[Adam Curry]

Oh my God. He just. He'd be on the valuetainment guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, he has the exit strategy of all exit strategies. I got to give this guy props. Pdb. That name.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Pdb.

[Adam Curry]

He's not a dummy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has high end shoes. Yes. Made in Italy. 599 a pair and. Yeah, and they're handmade. Yeah, yeah. I Know. I know. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Are you telling me that PDB or pbd. I can't remember. The valuetainment guy. Yeah, Value bet Davis or whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Patrick bet Davis.

[Adam Curry]

Patrick bet. Yeah, he's selling shoes for 599.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I have to say, they're handsome.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sure they are. It's nothing like a good Italian shoe. They look great.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he has a whole factory video of them putting the shoes together.

[Adam Curry]

Owns a factory there or is he.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

He's jobbing it out. He's an oem. Oh, yeah, he's an OEM for shoes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. But so I was thinking we've got a guy doing shoes in America with American workers in Northwestern Carolina that got wiped out. He's doing boots. I think we could do a no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Our boot guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

We could. Yes, we can do a no agenda boot.

[Adam Curry]

We could. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

High end, baby. High end.

[Adam Curry]

All right, let's play these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I knew I got your attention with that. Okay, so Glenn Greenwald is on to talk about Bari Weiss, cbs, the Jews. The Jews controlling the media, the whole thing. And it was just like. I mean, it seemed a bit I under. Because this is. This is a one of the big online kind of Talking points about TikTok and about CBS and Barry and Israel and the Jews. And it was just fascinating. So I wanted to bring it in. And then I saw that you have Tucker and Nick Fuentes, right? Oh, this might actually work together.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm not thinking it will because this is. This is the segment about porn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen, porn is always good in any mix.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, that might be true, but I don't see the segue is lacking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, do you want to start or you still.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, no. I want to hear these clips. We'll get to the eventually.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, first of all, it's not like he's mad or anything that Barry Weiss got this huge buyout for $150 million. He doesn't care.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, he believes that to be true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he. Oh, he's a done deal. Oh, yeah. Oh, he. 100% is done. But he doesn't care if she made $800 million.

[Glenn Greenwald]

So, first of all, I know Barry. Anyone who knows Barry will say what I'm about to say, which is she's an extremely charming, nice person. Like, interpersonally impossible not to like Barry Weiss. Same with her wife, Nellie. Like, just great people. However, I'm also a huge proponent of independent media. I like when independent media succeeds. I like when it grows and thrives. I Think more competition, the better. No issue at all. Barry Weiss can get, you know, $800 million if she can find somebody to give it to her for the Free Press. Don't care about that at all.

[Adam Curry]

That's why he's talking so fast. I mean, he talks fast, but he's out of control there.

[John C. Dvorak]

But when he goes, I don't care about that at all. I don't care about that at all. I don't care about the 150 million DOL. I do not care.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Look at my face. I don't care.

[Glenn Greenwald]

What I care about is the following. This is all we're talking about. David Olson. It's really Larry Olson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, now the monkey comes out of the sleeve. It's really about Larry Ellison. Not David Ellison, his kid, but Larry Ellison.

[Glenn Greenwald]

This is all we're talking about. David Ellison. It's really Larry Ellison. Who's behind all this. Larry Ellison is either the richest or second richest person in the world, depending on his neon's fluctuations in net worth.

[Adam Curry]

Really rattling.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Larry Ellison, he has one main political cause, and that's Israel. He's an American citizen. He's the single largest donor, private donor to the idf. I don't know why it's legal for an American citizen to donate money to a foreign army. I don't even know why it's legal for an American citizen to go fight in a foreign army. A lot of Americans go fight in the idf. He donates to that Again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again. Another one of these guys that forgets that there's a lot of other armies that people and Americans have been fighting in, including Ukraine. Never heard Glenn about that. But okay, Israel.

[Glenn Greenwald]

It's illegal for American citizens to go fight in a foreign army. A lot of Americans go fight in the ID. He donates to the IDF.

[John C. Dvorak]

How much does he give to the IDF?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Just on one night? He gave $20 million over the years in the scheme of his wealth, like.

[Adam Curry]

Direct to IDF or what's the money.

[Glenn Greenwald]

That we're called Friends of the idf. It's for people to donate money. They provide services to the idf. Like new. This for the idf, New housing, new benefits for the soldiers, whatever. But yeah, it's supplementing and funding the idf. Why not do that? He's an American citizen. Why not do that for American soldiers? But he's choosing to do it for Israeli soldiers. Whatever. And that's not my issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not my issue. Yeah, it sounds like he's like, so this is already not America. First you're Jew. First, this is no good. No good. Larry Edelson, why are you giving money to the idf? And she was. I don't understand. You live in America. And of course, this is great, because this is the Jew Greg Gren. Gleanwald, Glenn Greenwald.

[Adam Curry]

He'll get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who. Who is like now saying, well, now the Jews want to control the media. What?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Okay, so he's the single largest owner of the idf. But Bey that he's a major, major, major fanatical supporter of Israel, even though he's an American citizen in the country that gave him his wealth is not Israel, but the United States. Whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever. He keeps saying whatever.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Ellison to the point where I'm a friend of his, because I haven't been to his house, although I know where his house is.

[John C. Dvorak]

You could TP it if you wanted to.

[Adam Curry]

But. But I have worked with him on one occasion. I've run into him a number of times, and I've seen him talk a lot, including the new version of him. He looks like he had some work done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, some.

[Adam Curry]

And I have never heard this. Most of these guys, they make a big fuss. I mean, like the Adelsons did. They would talk about it, but Ellison doesn't talk about. Where does Greenwald get this?

[John C. Dvorak]

So Larry Ellison was my client at Think New Ideas when Ray Lane was running it. So this is before Ray Lane, later, was my main VC partner at Kleiner. And I found him to be nothing but an incredibly nice. Actually very. Because, you know, he was at that point, the chairman, and he was really letting his people run the show. He just came in to sit and watch the commercial he made for the Super Bowl. But, yeah, he was respectful. He was a nice guy. I can't.

[Adam Curry]

I've always thought him to be a nice guy. Caught him at the airport once and had a chat with him. And he is a really nice guy. And his main passion always seemed to me not to be Israel, but sailboats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. It was upside down in sailboats. He had sailboats here, sailboats there. Yes, sailboats racing, Formula one, big sponsors.

[Adam Curry]

Racing and more racing. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I think was a lot more money than the 20 million to the friends of the IDF. But okay, guys, I'm never going to get it. Grant Greenwald.

[Adam Curry]

Glad you're stuck. You're going to always screw up. Glenn Greenwald.

[John C. Dvorak]

Glenn Greenwald. He keeps saying, I don't care. Whatever. Then why bring it up? I don't like that part.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, well, he's obviously obsessed with.

[John C. Dvorak]

The yes, this is the point. I'll start this one over.

[Adam Curry]

That's why he's talking so fast. I mean, he talks fast normally, but this is really.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, a little unpinning meter.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Okay, so he's the single largest donor to the idf. But beyond that, you know, he's a major, major, major fanatical supporter of Israel even though he's an American citizen. And the country that gave him his wealth is not Israel, but the United States. Whatever. But that is his cause. Right at the moment, the public opinion polls are showing an unraveling of support for Israel in the United States unlike anything I certainly ever anticipated or expect to see in my lifetime, especially with the younger generation. I know you had Nick Fuentes on your show. I think I interviewed him like a week before or after he was on your show. He was just on. Tucker Carlson's kind of representative of not everybody, but kind of under 30 conservatives who for the first time are questioning his. It's a big, big threat. As we talked about, Israel needs the US and they look at public opinion polls where.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when I heard this, I'm like, this is some kind of massive opium that Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and maybe Megyn Kelly, they're going to create a new America first, right? Or something with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know what I mean? That's what it sounds like. Oh, yeah, Nick Fuentes, you know, he's under 30 and young people don't vote. Bernie Sanders would be our president if they did. No. So, okay. And they're like, well, what are you trying to say here, Glenn?

[Glenn Greenwald]

There's an unraveling of support for Israel and major conservative influence. Not just people on the left, which has been a case for a while, but major conservative influencers and politicians are now saying, why are we giving all this money back? This is a. They're panicking over this. Larry Ellison at exact.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll tell you, Larry Ellison panics over nothing. I can tell you that for sure. Larry Ellison does not panic over Israel, over America or anything. I just don't see it panicking over this.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Larry Ellison at exactly that point goes and buys CBS News, one of the most storied news outlets or brands in the United States history. Not a lot of people watching these days, but still has that imprimatur, but also paramount imprimatur.

[John C. Dvorak]

What did he say? What is imprimatur?

[Adam Curry]

It means it has a significance, a symbolic significance.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what. What I hear Glenn saying here is because of amazing new people on the scene like Nick Fuentes Larry Ellison freaked out and went, I better buy Paramount. Which has been that. How long has that deal been in process?

[Adam Curry]

That. Five years, ever since what's her name with the Redstone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sherry took over.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, once she took over, she put it up for sale. She wanted to get everything out from under Sumner. I mean, Sumner, you know, lost the company to her immediately. She hated the guy, so hated the old man so much that she's gonna. She's gonna sell it all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but now. But now what Glenn has in his mind is this scenario where everyone's panicking because of Nick Fuentes and the Pilgrim. And now, you know, we better buy the station that nobody watches. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, let's buy CBS News so we can like. Who are you propagandizing with that? 75, 78, 79, 80 year olds who's watching that except for us to maybe grab one clip?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Not a lot of people watching these days, but still has that imprimatur. But also Paramount, which is a major entertainment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Massive purchase.

[Nick Fuentes]

Eight billion bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Massive.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Take somebody who has never run a newsroom, never even been a reporter. Bari Weiss is an opinion columnist. She's worked on the opinion page of the Washington Post, New York Times, which. I love opinion journalism. I do opinion journalism. I have a lot of respect for it, but it's not really. I wouldn't expect anyone to make me the editor chief of cbs. And I think I have a lot more accomplishments in just hardcore journalism than Barry. I think she would say that too. But still, I would consider myself unqualified. A major reason, obviously why, is because she's fanatically pro Israel and that aligns perfectly with the Ellison agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Right. So Ellison agenda, agenda. So, okay, let me just get this straight. So it's been for sale for five years, but now everyone's panicking over Nick Fuentes and Marjorie Taylor Greene and whatever. And so now we're going to get Bari Weiss because she's a Jew and she's a propagandist for Israel. This makes a lot of sense. It's Barry fanatically. Oh, my God, is she Jewish herself?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Barry's totally Jewish. And her main cause, Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I didn't know that.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Oh, Barry is. You wind Barry up and she spouts pro Israel propaganda.

[John C. Dvorak]

So first she was a great journalist, now she just spouts propaganda.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Okay, she grew up in an orthodox Jewish household. She is. She's not Orthodox now. She's married to a woman, obviously, but she's still very Jewish, very pro Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, Stop. She's married to a woman. And then he throws in the word. Obviously. He says, she's married to a woman, obviously. Well, it's not obvious to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think. I think. Let me listen again.

[Glenn Greenwald]

She grew up in an Orthodox Jewish household. She, you know, is. She's not Orthodox now. She's married to a woman, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think it obviously points back to not being Orthodox.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so if you're not an Orthodox Jew, you're a gay woman. Is that what he's saying? What is he implying?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's implying that you can't be Orthodox if you're gay.

[Adam Curry]

No, I. I don't. It just seemed too odd. You can pass it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's the pot calling the kettle black here. I mean, come on, is this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's that. Yes, that's true. Good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gays and the lesbians at war.

[Glenn Greenwald]

She grew up in an Orthodox gay battle.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

He was household.

[Nick Fuentes]

She.

[John C. Dvorak]

All I can keep hearing is, why did it have to be a gay woman? This could have been a gay man. I could have done this, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think that he definitely is thinking that. That he should be the. If anybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because. Because he's a straight shooter, you see?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Unorthodox. Now, she's married to a woman, obviously, but she's still very Jewish. Very pro Israel. The Free press. Pro Israel, too. That's part of what David Ellison likes about her, by the way. It wasn't like Israel was owned previously by Palestinians or Muslims. It was owned by Sherry Redstone, who also was Jewish.

[John C. Dvorak]

Israel was owned by Sherry Redstone. That's interesting. Did you hear that?

[Adam Curry]

I think he's talking. His brain is going so fast and he's talking so fast that he's running things together oddly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kind of funny, though.

[Adam Curry]

Play it again. Play it again.

[Glenn Greenwald]

That's part of what David Ellison likes about her, by the way. It wasn't like Israel was owned previously by Palestinians or Muslims. It was owned by Sherry Redstone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just so you know, people, Israel was owned by Sherri Redstone. And now Larry Ellison wants to own Israel because he loves Israel.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, that's what he said.

[Glenn Greenwald]

By the way, it wasn't like Israel was owned previously by Palestinians or Muslims. It was owned by Sherry Redstone, who also was Jewish, the heir to the document.

[John C. Dvorak]

How could PBD not catch that and say. You mean Paramount, right? Not Israel?

[Adam Curry]

Because he's talking such a rapid clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's doing a Ben Shapiro on us now.

[Adam Curry]

And he's deluging poor PBD with the. With so much stuff that is his head spinning.

[John C. Dvorak]

All PBD wants to do is sell shoes, man. Just get to it, Glenn. I want to sell my shoes, baby.

[Glenn Greenwald]

By Palestinians or Muslims, it was owned by Sherry Redstone, who also was Jewish, the heir to the daughter of Summer Redstone, who was also very pro Israel. In fact.

[Adam Curry]

Did he say Summer?

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen again.

[Glenn Greenwald]

By Palestinians or Muslims, it was owned by Sherrie Redstone, who also was Jewish, the heir to the daughter of Summer Redstone, who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Summer. Summer's Eve.

[Adam Curry]

Summer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Summer Redstone.

[Adam Curry]

Summer Redstone. A transsexual woman. Sumner. His name was Sumner. Sumner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's keep going.

[Glenn Greenwald]

It's also very pro Israel. In fact, Sherry Redstone, the previous owner of Paramount cbs, said the reason she decided to sell Paramount CBS is because after October 7, she lost interest in journalism, and she only wants to devote herself to Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bull crap. She was selling it for years before October 7th. That's just not true. I mean, did we not establish this already?

[Adam Curry]

He's just making it up now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's the point of the clips. We'll finish this.

[Adam Curry]

And this is where you have the problem with the valuetainment boys, is that this team of people, it's not just, you know, Patrick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So this should have been called out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Somebody should have called it out. But it's going so fast, you. It's like hitting you in the face with a wet salmon.

[Adam Curry]

It's possible that even if he was right now with us doing this bit of his, we couldn't catch it. It was just too much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I heard the Sherry owns Israel right away the first time, but. And while I was watching, so it was odd. Anyway, let's go.

[Glenn Greenwald]

And she only wants to devote herself to Israel, So it's not exactly like it was a hotbed of Palestinian activism before, but now they're taking over that. He also wants to buy Warner Brothers, which owns Discovery and cnn. So CNN could also be under the control of David Ellison.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another ratings bonanza. The Jews are so smart, they're gonna buy up all the media. Nobody's watching. We'll control it all. And maybe we should get to something on the Internet.

[Glenn Greenwald]

And in this deal that Trump engineered, Larry Ellison is one of the major players in the consortium that just took over TikTok. Even though nobody watches CBS, obviously huge numbers of people get their news from TikTok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. So now here we are.

[Adam Curry]

He's all over the map. He's like a drunk driver. He's all over the Road. He's lost it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now. Now we go to the TikTok bit. This is the last clip. The TikTok bit, which I am still convinced, based upon the money that was flowing that we saw, based upon the Republican who introduced the bill, that TikTok. The problem with TikTok was not because of China. The problem with TikTok is they were eating Google and Meta's lunch. They were gobbling up billions and billions of dollars a quarter in advertising. And I think you agree with me. We know it had nothing to do with spying. That's bull crap.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What would be the point? You can spy a million different ways.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. No, no, no. Now you have to understand, it wasn't China either. It was the Jews.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The ADL was a major.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, he missed it. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Listen, you said you gave me the. You give the punchline before the joke. But I already get it. I already see how the joke would develop. Yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The ADL was a major. Advocating shutting down TikTok. But you know, this is so important about TikTok. Trump was the one who originally proposed shutting TikTok. The argument was because of the influence of China. It went nowhere. It didn't get anywhere near the votes. No one wanted to close TikTok. The only reason why the TikTok ban ended up succeeding Biden, White House got on board with it was after October 7th. Democrats became convinced that a major reason why American young people were turning against Israel was because there was too much pro Palestinian content permitted on TikTok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. So now, now the Democrat Party who promoted all of the pro Palestine stuff, now they were the ones that didn't want TikTok, that wanted TikTok shut down because of the Jews. Really?

[Adam Curry]

Especially since we know that Biden was no friend of Israel and actually kind of him and Netanyahu, if Biden was a younger man, he would have taken him behind the barn and beaten him up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So this is bull crap.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Israel was. Because there was too much pro Palestinian content permitted on TikTok. The sponsors of the TikTok ban will say that's the reason finally passed. Biden got behind it. The ADL demanded TikTok be closed or forced to sell to it. So they forced a sale to it, and it ended up in the hands of Larry Ellison, who now controls cbs, now controls is about to control CNN and also TikTok along with others.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Jews control the media that no one cares about. This is amazing. And the only thing I can think of because. Why is Glenn doing this? Because he Wants to get on this hot train, baby. He wants to get on the hot Nick train or something. It's just ridiculous. This is very disappointing. I like Glenn Greenwald in general.

[Adam Curry]

It might just be simple. It might be a jealousy, because I think you're. From the very beginning, I think you're right about his just being galled by the $150 million deal for Barry's operation, which I still believe is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you do. I know you do.

[Adam Curry]

Because I've seen these deals happen where you see these guys, they go. And I've never been in the room, but I can just imagine. I'm going to sell Adam. I'm going to sell you my Dvorak website.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only if you have the password.

[Adam Curry]

And you're. And you're gonna say, okay, what's it worth? I said it's worth. I don't know. It's not worth. I'll take a hundred grand for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And then you'll say, okay, that sounds reasonable. And then I say, but, but, but, but, but. We're gonna have to make an announcement that you paid me 50 million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And then when you give me the password, I'll actually give you the hundred thousand.

[Adam Curry]

Or if you might even renege on that, probably. But the point is, is that. But what's these announced prices? And with the giant corporation, which you're not, or I'm not, but with the giant corporation, let's say Disney, you can hide that phony baloney number anywhere in the books. Good bookkeepers can take care of that. Nobody could ever track it down. Say, hey, wait a minute. You guys didn't really pay that. I can't find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't clip it. But in the beginning, they're Talking about the 150 million and Glenn is going, oh, yeah, no, it closed. It closed. It's done. It's a done deal. It's done.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

No, she got 100.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I'm always surprised by the number of people, and I know a few of them that supposedly did these, you know, $100 million deals, and they're driving around an old Volvo and they got no money. How does that happen?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I mean, you're still driving a Lexus from 1970.

[Adam Curry]

I have a 20 year old car that I drive because I just. That's all I can afford.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So people should donate to the show. Come and get a new car now. I like my car.

[John C. Dvorak]

You love your car. The dashboard don't crack, baby. You love that car.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, I have the older version of the car that it's almost, I don't know, it's from 93. So it is. Although it's kind of not being used. But there's not one bulb in the entire car in all those years. Burned out. No headlight, no tail light.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[Adam Curry]

No interior lamp.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, it's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

This tells you something. Tells you that everything's a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

But in 20 years you've probably had 50 computers.

[Adam Curry]

And let me tell you another thing since I'm on, I have. When the LED lights first came out, there was some company producing it and you heard, oh, they're going to last forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Bullcrap.

[Adam Curry]

At least 20 years. Yeah, bull crap. You say. 20 years ago I bought a light bulb for the porch, the front porch, and it does get turned on and off. That light bulb, which was an American made LED light bulb that cost me like 25 bucks for this. They're very expensive. That light bulb is still working. Every single Chinese LED lamp I've bought has burned out, blowed up or started to flash or flicker. Yeah, this is bull. An LED light should last forever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, when we bought this house, there was a pool light LED and it went out. And it's been impossible to replace. Why just have a dark hole at night? Dark hole. You can't replace it. It's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

The point is that there's a scam going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's called planned obsolescence. Those things are timed to go out. So you buy more stuff from China. Of course. The same thing with your light bulbs, actually. Osram and Philips and who's the American ge.

[Adam Curry]

Well, actually that brings me to another complaint. If you don't mind me moaning and groaning on the show, I am here for you. So there used to be a bulb that Philips came out with and then there was also these little devices you could buy. This was 30 years ago. The bulb was. Had a computer in it, a little chip that if it was left on for more than 10 minutes, it would just automatically turn itself off. And it also had a way of turning itself on that was gentle to the filament. I still have one of those. They were called turtle bulbs or something. They had some name and they had a funny shape and nobody even knows about them anymore. But I had one of those bulbs. I have it in a downstairs closet. It's been there for 20 years and it still works. They had to take those off the market because you buy one, it lasts forever. They can't. Oh no, no, we can't have a business like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, you know, the light bulb conspiracy is real. That was a real consortium where they all determined how many hours a light bulb should last. And they were all in collusion with each other.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They got the exact right type of tungsten filament that had just the right number of flaws. So it turned off an awful lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm looking up the turtle bulb, you said.

[Adam Curry]

I think it was. I don't remember the actual name. It just comes to mind because every.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every search engine, every. Every AI Is talking about a special bulb for turtles.

[Adam Curry]

No, the AI Won't find it either.

[John C. Dvorak]

That turtle safe bulbs for wildlife.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you get just. AI is useless in some of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty much. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, pretty much. I had, for example, Brunetti and I have gotten to it. Discussion about this because he's a big AI nut and he's, you know, he's got. He's wired, this guy. He's got everything's hooked to his phone. He's got robots all over the place. It's unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

So goodness. He's a prime. Prime optimus buyer. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I told him, hey, yeah, find a recipe. The AI is so good it can't cook. Basma. You can't find a recipe. And he went and went. He found tourists. He went to Jet Grog. He went. Made of stuff he got. He's obsessive. So he did this. And so he came up with all these all wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Of course. It's not in the corpus. John C. Dvorakus. Is corpus free. If you want John C. Dvorak, you got to come here for the real deal. You can't get it in the corpus. That's why.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, I love you.

[John C. Dvorak]

We love you. All right, so. Yes. Where do you want to go now?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we could go to the Fuentes material if you want. It's very entertaining, but it's something we used. We've tried to broach on this show a number of times, which is the Zeds, the young people in porn and their inability to have normal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Normal relationships with each other. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So I have a bunch of clips because Fuente's discussed this with Tucker, and I thought it was quite revealing. It also revealed some stuff about Tucker. Tucker had. I noticed this. I don't watch him that much, but I mean, I like. We both, I think, agree that he's great guide in terms of a professional interviewer and really talented.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

And he's just slick in his own way. And he. But he has a bunch of. I think he has these Little subtle grudges against people and things. And he just brings things in and that he shouldn't just to give people the needle. He might be a mean guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I. I just think it's. He just might be. But first, let's start off. This is not part of the porn thing. This is something I caught earlier in his interview that I thought was interesting because it was. It was this the Fuente's Charlie Kirk info. This is the one where they bring in Charlie Kirk and. And I never. I never knew this little factoid. Tucker didn't either. And I don't know if you did this. Patient, decent man.

[Nick Fuentes]

Yes. And yeah. So whatever their perception of him was, to see him get his. His face blown up in front of everybody like that, and your first. The first reaction of someone in the crowd who is present. Some guy with the beer jumps up and celebrates. Did you see this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Nick Fuentes]

Some liberal kid in the audience jumps up and says, all right, I literally can't handle it.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I'm so upset by it. I haven't looked at anything.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's disgusting. And you see, I saw that and said, yeah, like, there's no putting the genie back in the lamp here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So I saw the clip of the shooting because some people insisted to look at it. I never saw this part of it. They cut it. It was cut. I didn't know this. Did you see the clip? And they had see some maniac jump up and cheer?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I have not seen that. I'm sure Candace Owens has it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's probably true. I just. It was just. I mean, to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but I mean, there's so much. It's like. And this guy was calm and this guy was filming.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not talking about all that conspiracy stuff. I just. I just thought that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, like. Like some guy jumping up and celebrating isn't conspiratorial.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm just saying there's a guy jumps up and. I just didn't know that happened. It's just sick. It's sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, someone put the link in the. In the troll room. I want to see it.

[Adam Curry]

If it's true, I don't want to see it. So here we are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not in the troll room. It's not for you, it's for me.

[Adam Curry]

So if they have it. I mean, I. I may. It may be obscure, so they go on a tangent. There's a second tangent I didn't record or put in here, which I might do, where. Where you talk about marriage and the failure of the Social society to put men and women together. And Fuentes has a great rant about liberal women. Why nobody wants them and they're all fat goes on. It's quite, quite amusing. It's quite funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're all fat.

[Adam Curry]

They're all fat. And so here he is on point now this. Now they start talking about porn. And I thought this would be worth exploring.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is porn exactly like? Describe. I remember listening to this going, what, What? What is your porn? I never heard of it. What is your question here? What is porn?

[Glenn Greenwald]

What is porn exactly like? Describe. How available is porn? What is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Porn is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But like, oh, please. So Tucker's now telling us that he. How do I get it? How do I ask?

[Adam Curry]

This is the kind of question. This is what I. I don't like doing this, by the way. People do interviews like this. And I know guys who do interviews like this where you play the dummy when you know, well, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of Tucker's questions are asked this way with the answer clearly in it. And then when he gets the answer he wants, he goes, oh, wow, wow, wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I didn't know this. Yes, this bothers me.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Yeah, you said it's a huge factor.

[Adam Curry]

In the lives of young men and a bad factor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, this is another thing where it's. It's reality. Reality distortion.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's kind of the theme. Just like psychedelics distort reality, just like a kind of Internet society is a form of delusion. So is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of people maybe don't realize, and we talked about this a little bit, people are getting turned on to porn when they're like 10 years old, when you are going through puberty, when you're developing your sexual faculties. How could you stay away from that? Every kid has a phone. Every kid has an iPad, and every iPad and phone is. If you, you know, if you know what it is loaded up with porn, and it's infinite and it's ubiquitous and it's. You can get every kind of it you want whenever you want. It's in your pocket. And so something that is almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional. I think because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with it. It. Some people don't have a problem, but I think a lot of people, and maybe even a small minority have a serious problem with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the problem people sexually dysfunctional.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography. A real woman, you know, like without getting graphic, is. She's only one person. And you know, she's. Maybe she wants to do something sexual, maybe she doesn't. Porn is. You could have a hundred different women in one sitting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I, I agree with Fuentes here.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I do. I agree with him generally in the whole thing. And it's something that, that needs discussion. And even Tucker felt that he should have done a show on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

If I can just interject. We had a men's breakfast at church yesterday and I've been to a lot of these. And it's. Men get together, we talk. We talk about stuff. Probably the number one addiction men talk about that they've kicked or are trying to kick is pornography. And these are grown men of all different ages. But it's the number one thing that's always like, I had a real porn addiction. It's rampant.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't surprise me. People keep talking about, when did this begin? Because it used to be illegal. And I'm going to tell you when it began. Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. With Lewinsky. And he made it okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. Lewinsky. That was just going on Clinton. Clinton during his. And the reason I remember this is because this is the era when Clinton was in office was the roaring 90s. This was the best time you'd have in your life. It was fantastic. Connie was cooking. Money was flying all over the place.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had limos, we had money in brown paper bags.

[Adam Curry]

It was great, hey, you want to go for a ride in my jet kind of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Good times.

[Adam Curry]

So this was the period that I had just in the late 80s. I'd finished this telecom book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bestseller. That's right.

[Adam Curry]

And it sold a quarter of a million books. It was pretty successful. And I remember that era of the BBS's and there was a guy who was very famous in the mid. It was probably maybe early to mid-80s. This is probably around 84 maybe with some of the early software you could get that was running on dos. You could download stuff and you could go through these BBSs. That's when people had all these lines. And there was this very famous guy who had porn at a porn site. There were these porn sites and they were all a mixture of mediocre and sometimes interesting porn if you wanted to look at them. But I knew this one guy in particular who I was. He was one. A customer of mine. And just in the end of the. Of the Bush administrate. I think it's the Bush administration. Yeah, he got the H.W. bush administrator. He got arrested, thrown in jail, the slammer for porn because he had online porn. He was arrested and jailed. And I remember this. Clinton came into office and this is why I remember that was Clinton. Clinton relaxed all the restrictions on porn. He relaxed all these rules and laws and next thing you know, these porn sites are cropping up all over the place. And it evolved into what it is today, which is a ludicrous situation of wall to wall porn everywhere you go. You can go on any search engine and find anything you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can find it on X. I.

[Adam Curry]

Haven'T seen it on X, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it doesn't show up in the search, but there's tons of direct links on like Reddit.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not surprised by any of it. I'm, I'm. What I'm surprised with is there's not as many street walkers as you'd expect. But this is ridiculous. And it's all stems from Clinton and people never want to trace it to him or blame him, but he's the, he's the responsible party.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there were so two comments. One, early on the Internet we had Usenet. I just need to bring it up from time to time. And he had alt binaries dot fill in the blank. Dot fill in blank. You could get anything. Of course it would download 20 parts and. Yeah, and it took all night. And then it would have to, you have to have a program to assemble all those bits. And then later we had websites and it would take one hour to download a one megabyte picture. And you could just see it click line by line, click, click, click, click. Now as a part of that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you were on an awfully slow connection.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I had.

[Adam Curry]

The websites came in in 93.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. But I'm. No baby, I'm talking like 89. I had a 56k frame relay.

[Adam Curry]

There were no websites in 89.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm trying to think now, maybe it.

[Adam Curry]

Was 92 websites were invented in 92.

[John C. Dvorak]

92. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And then they, then they became, then the Mosaic browser came in in 93 and that's when they became popular.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had a 56k frame relay at the house.

[Adam Curry]

That should kick ass.

[John C. Dvorak]

They did not kick ass. I'm telling you, it took a long time.

[Adam Curry]

Well, 89.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway. Anyway, the other thing is that once we got so the deregulation, that was interesting, which I think was mainly during Clinton, I think you have to correct me on this one, is there was no tax on Internet sales, that was to. To juice the machine, which I think was a really good idea.

[Adam Curry]

During the 90s, this saw Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a good idea because that really spawned the use of E commerce. Because at that time people like, who would ever put their credit card on the Internet? Okay. So we knew that was going to change. And then pretty soon, pretty soon I.

[Adam Curry]

Have to go back to another story because I wrote a column about this ludicrous thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gen Zers. Gen Zers. You're here, here for this. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is the kind of history.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't get this in school. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

There. So in the early 90s, actually probably again around 93, when the, when the web was just evolving, there was this, this kind of a meme. It was the way, you know, you do not put your card on. You never put your card on the Internet. You call, you use the 800 number. So there's all these 800 numbers. You'd call the number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so I found out from somebody that worked the eight number bank that you call and you give your credit card number, they'd bring up a website and they'd put your card number into the website. Anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on one second.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Boomer talk on the eights.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just so you know, it's Boomer talk on the eights, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, we have lots of these stories.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And the other thing, but this came later was. And that was the, that was section 320. Is it 320?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

230. I'm sorry, section 230. And that was to protect all of the providers of Internet services. And that way we got ugc.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The rationale for that was. Hey, it's like a bulletin board in the store.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. Ugc.

[Adam Curry]

It's a bulletin board in the store. So if you pin something up on the bulletin board, the store, the store's not responding. Responsible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

For something you PIN there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so there was a lot of user generated porn ugp actually a lot. And that's what you. Porn, is it? No, Porn tube, whatever. That's, that's kind of how they played that. And then later, you know, we got exceptions in section 230. All kinds of things are happening all under the guise of, oh, porn. But you're right, porn is everywhere. It's rampant and it's on all the websites. I mean it's on all. It's. It's on Facebook, it's on Instagram, all. Thank you. All platforms. It is every. You can't find it in the Search. But it's.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you can.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it's. Yeah, no, the search specifically, they delist all that stuff. And, you know, when they find it.

[Adam Curry]

There'S a lot of. There's more than you can imagine on searches. If you. I'm not going to go into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what I'm watching. Watching C Span.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what you're doing with your time, but I come here to the show prepared.

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I'm doing experiments. So here we go with Fuentes. I think that was clip one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Okay, we're finally. Clip two.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[Nick Fuentes]

That whatever. Whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, then this is eventually good. The punchline to this, I'm sure, is going to be sock hops. I mean, that has to be the punchline.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, that would be always what I'm going to bring up. But this juice isn't worth the squeeze. He says now this is a bad attitude by the Zeds. Women aren't around. They're not floating around the world. I wish we had more women listeners, but they're not floating around as sex toys. I mean, yeah, maybe there's one or two that like to think of themselves that way, but there's more to it than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they provide. They're. They're useful people, and they have. They come in handy with a minute with the dumb guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're good as partners in life. It's amazing how that works.

[Adam Curry]

They're a perfect. They're a perfect compliment companion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. It's like. It's like someone playing it. It's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's unbelievable. But he. He sees it that way. He is. He's very. Which bothers me a little bit because he's. He's Zed. Dissociated. I don't have it in these clips, but he talks about women in a way where they're. He doesn't really. It's brought up when he. When he. When Tucker asked him if he's ever lived with a woman, he says no. And that. That is at the end. I didn't want to give the whole thing away, but the way I see it is that he is one of those guys. And it's always reminded. And I always tell, you know, I've told Mimi, I tell everyone I know the story I was at, when I was at. It was after I graduated from Cal, but I was still going to the football games and I'd go into the. I'd get, I had a way of getting. I was always like to be in the card section, by the way, for people who know what I'm talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The card section.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you always want to be in the card section.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you just tell me briefly what the card section is? For those who don't know, like me.

[Adam Curry]

It'S a section in the right in the middle of the field between the 40 yard lines on both sides. And you have, you, you sit there as a student, or if you can get in there as not a student, and you have a deck of cards. These, these large cards, they're like 15 by 15, I don't know what the size is anymore. And it was a, there's a, there's a. And. And there's an instruction sheet and there's somebody down at the bottom telling you which cards to hold up. And you hold up the card A and you hold it up and the guy next to you has this, you know, they all have different cards and it forms the letter C or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Or it'll fuck you to the other team. Stanford games would always have some obscenity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so. And the card section is always fun because you get something to do during the halftime. But I'm walking up to go get something to drink up the aisle and there's this guy and he's sitting there and he's kind of an old man. He's in a trench coat, he's hunched over, he's got a little TV set in his hands, he's got some earphones on, he's disheveled. I look at him and it dawned on me that this was an old fart that never had a woman in his life. There's no way you can get to that point with any female in the vicinity.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is rather interesting because when I was listening to this interview, incel came to mind with Fuentes.

[Adam Curry]

I could see a little bit of that. There's no doubt about it. But he's gonna be this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, one day you'll be that guy.

[Adam Curry]

He's gonna be this guy and that guy. As soon as I saw him and it dawned on me what this guy was, it scared the crap out of me. I said, happen to anybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be careful, kids.

[Adam Curry]

Go find your girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, this is very important and it.

[Adam Curry]

Brings to mind, and I don't want to belabor this, but it the more boomer talk. But it brings to mind the old saying that behind every successful man, there's a woman telling him he's wrong. And that old joke I always thought was kind of a joke, but then over time, it's dawned on me. It's absolutely true. Even if you're successful, there's a woman telling you you're wrong. She might not be right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know. Bingo. You nailed it. You nailed it. Absolutely. I have one of those. I love her for that. That's one of the many reasons, if anyone can give me crap, it's Tina Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And women are notorious for the following comment. You're not going to wear that, are you?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a daily occurrence. Not another hoodie. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So that's the vat that's more important than juice and squeeze. I mean, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, clip three.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And so there, there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction. People that. That can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty and the availability of porn. It's hyper stimulation. And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal sexual relationships.

[Glenn Greenwald]

It seems like it's making a lot of people gay too. Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And trans.

[John C. Dvorak]

You think that's true?

[Nick Fuentes]

100%.

[Glenn Greenwald]

What is that?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that the novelty is a huge part of that. I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many people do actually. Oh, absolutely.

[Glenn Greenwald]

That's a lot of jerking off.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's a huge problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you know, if you're doing that multiple times a day, every day, for years, since you're a kid, well, eventually you. You get bored.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you want to move on to something more extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dream.

[Nick Fuentes]

And you, you're kind of. It's operates I think, similar to like a drug. You. You kind of have the same kind of resistance to it that you would to a drug or a tolerance for it. And you're always chasing that initial feeling the first time you used it or the first time you saw a certain thing. And I think eventually you just chase more taboo, more transgressive. And I think maybe some people are more prone to that than other people. Going in is really good direction how.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Charlie Sheen got aids, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Through just being jaded and looking for something more transgressive.

[Adam Curry]

That's just a fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

I took this as a confession from Nick Fuentes. I really did. And maybe he's moved beyond it, but that's pretty detailed. And, man, I think it's spot on because I've seen this over and over again with young men who have never been with a woman, and before you know it, they got. Got black lipstick and black nail polish. Yes, yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

That clip also ended with the thing I. Which is another thing I dislike about Tucker's style, where he brings in the Charlie Sheen having aids.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that was unnecessary because that really was totally unnecessary.

[Adam Curry]

There's no reason to drop that little tidbit in there because not everybody knows that. And why should they know? It's none of anybody's business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Charlie.

[Adam Curry]

Charlie Sheen is shark.

[John C. Dvorak]

He just did a whole, whole Netflix, like four part documentary about himself. So that's why I was.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but it's still. Again, it's just like, why do you bring that in? It's. It had nothing to do with the conversation. Okay. And it was bothersome to me. All right, onward with. I think we're on four.

[Nick Fuentes]

And there's something too, about what it does when you look at it, when you. Because people don't realize that it is a fundamentally different experience being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse. And I think that actually does something to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell me, what do you mean?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. You know what that reminded me of? Hold on.

[Adam Curry]

I know exactly what you're gonna play.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what I'm gonna. Yes. Yeah, it's. Here it is. Let's see if I can play it back to back. Here we go.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Go.

[Nick Fuentes]

People have intercourse, and I think that actually does something to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell me, what do you mean?

[Glenn Greenwald]

Tell me about the sexuality.

[Adam Curry]

It's in your DNA.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You knew it, right? It was coming. You knew that was coming.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. 2.

[Nick Fuentes]

Watching other people have intercourse. And I think that actually does something to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tell me, what do you mean?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that, you know, for example, I think Steve Sailor has written about this, that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals. And he says a one kind of transsexual is somebody that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman. Is autogynephilia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I think that, you know, one of the theories for that is you. You watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a weird, sick way. You almost identify with the woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And this is. He's right about this. And this is where the hypno sissy porn comes from.

[Adam Curry]

And all.

[John C. Dvorak]

And all this grooming of young men he's spot on about it. About it.

[Nick Fuentes]

And so there's weird things that happen when you're.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Yes.

[Nick Fuentes]

Watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's fascinating. I have always been. I've sensed for a long time, having.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Had a lot of young male employees mention porn as a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the back end. So that means people know what you're looking at, that there's likely video and audio of you watching. So that, you know, that's like, so. So such a deal killer for me.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a deal killer for me.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. A couple of things here. One, how does he know this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is well known.

[Adam Curry]

This.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's one big company like, right on it. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's the deal killer. Because he thinks they're watching him watch porn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Porn. That's a deal killer. I'm telling you, it's a deal.

[Adam Curry]

And. And so the deal killer is that they're gonna know he's watching porn. Well, because they're gonna have the video.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blackmail. Blackmail, yes. Yes. And it's probably.

[Adam Curry]

He got a camera pointed. Hey, Dick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Probably Israel, baby. I'm telling you, they're doing it all Mossad. So not to belabor the. Not to belabor the point, but when I see young men and young women now talk like teens and they don't have their parents here. It's around here. This is lovely. They don't have phones, so there's just no access to it. And it's like, it's so beautiful to see. You got these young men, they're playing guitar in the worship team, which is Christian for band. And, you know, and the girls like swooning. And then they do have dances and they have interactions together. And that's why you see gen zers who are in their mid-20s, they got their crap together and they have a girlfriend, boyfriend, married. They think that they're getting their family underway, saving. Saving our country, as far as I'm concerned. And it starts with the stupid phone, John. It really does put it in the drawer. People follow Uncle John's advice.

[Adam Curry]

But, yes, it's not as easy as it looks. No, because I talk to people and they all talk a big game about putting in the drawer and they never do it. Actually, even even though I wasn't a big, heavy phone user when I did it, I noticed it took about two months for me to get over it, not having the phone with me all the time. So what if I get into what if I get a flat tire or, you know, sort of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many flat tires have you had since you put the phone in the drawer?

[Adam Curry]

How many flat tires I have. I had since I've owned a Lexus?

[John C. Dvorak]

None. Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

In 30 years. I mean, when I was a kid, we used to have flat tires all the time. Yes, it was a known problem. They don't even give you a tire.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Anymore. If you got a donut, tires don't go. You know, there's no.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And with the current Lexus, they. They give you run flats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And they run for 50 miles flat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only at 50 miles an hour, though. You can't go over 50. Or they start to smooth smoke.

[Adam Curry]

Why? Haven't had the problem. So I'm not careful.

[John C. Dvorak]

We gotta be careful with the run.

[Adam Curry]

So we're on what? We're on five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Five. Here we go. Not a huge expert on the topic.

[Glenn Greenwald]

But I have always sensed this was a huge deal. But I've always been too embarrassed to, like, do a show on it. But it sounds like you're describing something.

[Adam Curry]

That'S everywhere, that affects everybody and that is.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Do you think it's related to the, you know, the huge decline in, like, actual sex and relationships and marriage, screwed up dating.

[John C. Dvorak]

He knows the answer to this question. This is what I don't like. He knows the answer. Oh, Nick Fuentes, you're an expert on porn.

[Adam Curry]

I really don't like that style of interview.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Derives in part from porn, do you think?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think it's a huge part of it. It's a huge factor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, he's gonna go, really?

[Adam Curry]

Really. Oh, really?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's so interesting.

[Nick Fuentes]

And it's even on the other side too.

[Adam Curry]

Do.

[Nick Fuentes]

It's become so destigmatized for women to actually participate in porn only. People don't even recognize that only fans is a whole separate category. It's a new. It's an innovation in the realm of pornography because you have what everyone considers what everyone knows as porn, which is like videos of porn stars, like dedicated career sex workers having sex in a relatively controlled environment or something like that. But then you get only fans, which is like Patreon for nudes or sex. And basically there's now a very large subculture, much larger than people want to admit, of women who, the moment they turn 18, that is what they do, is they make an only fans account and they become an amateur porn star. And it is completely casual, you know, because you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even in. At the heyday of Internet porn. To be in porn, you got to be a porn star. Like, that's your life and that's your career, and that's who you are. And it's very shameful with only fans. It's like. It's like having a TikTok. It's like, here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account, here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube, and here's my only fans.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I give you no agenda. Evidence. Exhibit A. Bobby Eden from 15 years ago. She was telling us how men would give her their password to their bank account, take whatever you want, would just shower her with gifts continuously. And she was just a quote unquote, webcam girl.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I mean, those pre.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pre.

[Adam Curry]

Only the amount of money that's going. Well, I know for a fact, because Alex, Alexis Brunetti's wife, is a only fans copyright attorney.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I thought she was onlyfans girl.

[Adam Curry]

No, she's a copyright attorney and she. She has a client who's an only fans girl. Oh, and make him bank 10 mil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Exit strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we probably could with the. With the artificial one if we get Scaramanga to do it. But the. And there's other examples. There was some woman on that. What's that show with the guys there with all. With the. Surrounded by women. It's called. It's got some girls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Girls gone wild. No.

[Adam Curry]

Hello, 80s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Oh, I know what you're talking. Yeah, I know. Yeah. With the. The podcast and the. And the women are sitting there, and then they say, oh, yeah, and I do trust 100 guys a day. And all this stuff.

[Adam Curry]

All this stuff. And there was one girl on there that made $35 million. I don't. I don't know if it's total or what, but it was dirt. But that's what she had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

35 mil. And she was going moaning and groaning about it because she felt, you know, humiliated. I don't know what her problem was.

[John C. Dvorak]

The oldest business in the book, brother.

[Adam Curry]

But this is. But it's just like. It's not the problem. Yeah, it might be, but. But this is just a video feed. I mean, come on, people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, geez. Okay, again, I'm happy with the gen zers who are showing up here and looking for worldly advice. And the best part of a piece of advice we give them today is stay away from it. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, stay away from a lot. You can stay away from everything. Okay, so we're. I think that wrapped that clip you have the last One. So now this clip. I find this clip to be fascinating because I kind to think this would be pre Clinton thinking. And I think it's. It's, you know, it's not. None of this is going to happen. There has to be other solutions. But I think this is a funny solution.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Why would any of this be legal?

[Nick Fuentes]

I think that. Well, there's. Like you indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

Maybe there's a political benefit to that. I think that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why wouldn't you arrest the people who.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Run something like that?

[Nick Fuentes]

They should be. If you had a Christian government or.

[Glenn Greenwald]

How much is the government that cares about its people? I mean, is Iran a bigger threat or is OnlyFans. Iran's not turning my daughters to prostitution that I'm aware of.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, that seems like one of.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The worst things that could happen to any society.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, absolutely.

[Glenn Greenwald]

So how big is the support for that? Like if a candidate were to come out and say, we ought to arrest the guys who own mindgeek, which is the biggest. I think it's the biggest porn supplier in the world. Or the guys who run fans.

[Adam Curry]

What with?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Mind Geek. That's those.

[Adam Curry]

I never. Okay, so Tucker's playing dumb this whole time. I've never heard of Mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we've talked about it on the show.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. Even then I obviously lost track of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you were.

[Adam Curry]

But it wasn't top of Mind. So when he said it, I said, wait a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, those.

[Adam Curry]

Would you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Those guys. Tucker knows this.

[Adam Curry]

Tucker knows more than he's letting on, that's for sure. And he probably. Okay, anyway, let's back it up and go. Continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And you know who runs Mind Geek, don't you?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mossad.

[Nick Fuentes]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, that seems like one of.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The worst things that could happen to any society.

[Nick Fuentes]

Oh, absolutely.

[Glenn Greenwald]

So how big is the support for that? Like, if a candidate were to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out and say, we ought to arrest.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The guys who own mindgeek, which is the biggest. I think it's the biggest porn supplier in the world. Or the guys who run OnlyFans, what would the reaction be among. I don't know, people under 50.

[Nick Fuentes]

I think there would be broad support for that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Nick Fuentes]

I do, actually. Yes.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I hope someone will say that someone needs to. I hope someone arrests them, like right away.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was actually their assets.

[Glenn Greenwald]

And puts them in prison.

[Nick Fuentes]

Well, seizes their. Their. Their bodies, puts them in jail. Yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I mean, the owners of that. People who are. I mean, talk about human trafficking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I Thought we were against human trafficking.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[Nick Fuentes]

So you.

[Glenn Greenwald]

But you think that young people. Because you always think of young people as so liberal, but like. No, they wouldn't think that was crazy.

[Nick Fuentes]

No, I think especially among young men, they know it's a problem. It's ruining their lives and they know it.

[Glenn Greenwald]

So what are the other factors that prevent. I'm sorry I called you gay, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I think that. Okay, so first of all, Larry Flint fought his entire life to make porn legal. And I, I believe under the first amendment he has a valid point that there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And, and so that's what. That is what everybody is probably just hiding behind. By the way. Mindgeek, I think is a Canadian. Is owned by Canadians. Here it is. Ethical Capital Partners.

[Nick Fuentes]

That's.

[Adam Curry]

That's great name.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's funny.

[Adam Curry]

Ethical capital partners Porn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that if you want to talk about Epstein level blackmail, that there's more people who have been who are being blackmailed currently in positions of power over porn that someone has entrapped them with than in any other Mossad operation. I really truly believe that.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't sound like it would be that difficult, especially with the onlyfans.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, you'll remember we should be.

[Adam Curry]

Called lonely fans, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you remember a former employee of mine who was a friend. Friend Brigham for a while until I talked on the show about how he had this fabulous beach house in Malibu and a brand new Ferrari and his whole business he had, you know, what was that? Like a real high end porn, like, you know, beautiful models and great, great cinematography. And what they would do is they would wait until someone downloaded it, get their IP address and then send them a legal notice saying, okay, we're going to sue you, but if you give us $5,000, we won't tell anybody about the lawsuit. And he did quite well off of that. So imagine what kind of power you could garner for yourself if you have a similar operation and the exact same system actually. And then just say, well, you know, I'd like you to vote this way. And you know, I'm sure there's some. A lot of people in.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but that's small potatoes comparing to what the guy Onlyfans. The guys who own that operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who owns that?

[Adam Curry]

Small potatoes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who owns that?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, some character. They're worth so much money they have to be beyond billionaires by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I would hope so. So let's see, let's see. Anyway, it's taken a long time to get the answer to that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is a. We could have always had just asked.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am, but I'm asking her in text. And when you ask her in text, she goes off and scours the entire Internet. Ukrainian American. Hello. Ukrainian American. Billionaire Leonid Radvinsky acquired a majority stake in the company from its founders in 2018. He is the sole shareholder of its parent company, Phoenix with an F. Phoenix International Ltd. Which is offshore, I'm sure. And has been described as the site's elusive owner amid reports of substantial dividends going, ongoing sale sale discussions, blah, blah, blah. Oh, originally. The platform was originally founded in 2016 by British entrepreneurs Timothy Stokely and his family. The Brits again, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, There you go. There's your North Sea. Next is cropping up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Huh? Well, it's a problem that needs to be addressed and I don't think you, you know, arresting these guys or are is going to work because it's already the horses out of the barn. They got to come up with something. Keep your kids. And the public's not going to stop buying in this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And these girls aren't going to stop doing this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there is one.

[Adam Curry]

Why would they?

[John C. Dvorak]

There is one way which gives the government a lot of power and that is to go straight to the money and control the money that is being used. And I would say the EU is well on track because. Hello, good news. Hello. I have good news for you on the digital euro front. Today the Governing Council has decided to move ahead on the next and final phase of the preparatory work for the digital euro. The other good news is that on October 23, the European Council has asked us and all those involved to accelerate.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

The process so that we can roll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out the digital euro as early as possible. Okay, so the digital euro is coming. Wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

Don't forget. This is good news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hello, good news. And I have a second clip to add to this good news. So this is a pure central bank digital currency, a true cbdc. She is the president of the European Central Bank. They are doing a central bank digital currency. And she had a little forum going on. And in the forum was Fabio Panetta, who is the president of the bank of Italy. And so this just. It's under a minute and you kind of have focus because it's Italian speaking English in a European form. But listen to what he says about how great this is going to be and what it actually will do for the owners of the money.

[Adam Curry]

European bank did not agree until now on ways to provide their services to the entire euro area. They don't have what is called in technical terms a rail.

[John C. Dvorak]

A rail. You need a rail. It's called a payment rail.

[Adam Curry]

The infrastructure to provide to offer their digital payment services to all European citizens. One of the main benefits advantages for banks, there are many benefits for consumers, there are benefits for the stability of the financial system. Number one, one of the main benefits for the banks in the euro area is that once the digital euro infrastructure will be built, they will be able, by using this so called open standard infrastructure to use that rail and compete at European level, thus generating additional business, additional revenues. And there will be many implications in terms of sovereignty for the euro, in terms of control of the information that travels with your payments.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control of the information that travels with your payment, that is. What are you sending money to OnlyFans for, friend? What are you sending money to this person for? Man, they are going to lock that down. It's going to be great to watch. And my daughter has exactly three years to get out.

[Adam Curry]

They think.

[John C. Dvorak]

They think it'll be 20, 29. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're insane. That is. And. And they're nefarious about it. Oh, it's going to be great. Less paperwork. It's less paperwork.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's happening. It's going to be phenomenal to watch. Phenomenal. Just a. I want.

[Adam Curry]

Since we're talking about Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple of clips from St. James.

[John C. Dvorak]

St. James.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh. Eva St. James. Now available on Only Fans. Eva St. James.

[Adam Curry]

She'd do well on Only Fans with that hair. Holy mackerel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who we have given a new name, Ava Saint. Three minutes. Is that your first clip? Three minutes.

[Adam Curry]

How long is the second clip?

[John C. Dvorak]

125.

[Adam Curry]

The first clip has got both clips. Damn it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, you tell me when to stop it. Oh, I can actually probably see it in the waveform.

[Adam Curry]

I wouldn't even worry about it. Just stop it. When you feel like it, you can stop it two or three times.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Hey, everyone.

[Adam Curry]

This is about the Dutch elections.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dutch Election Commentator]

Hey, everyone. As you guys can see, I'm in Washington right now. I was here for a panel on the importance of independent media organized by. By General Mike Flynn.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just gotta.

[Adam Curry]

You stopped it already?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm very. I'm very worried about this because I know that my neighbor was there too.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, who is Laura?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes. They're doing forums.

[Adam Curry]

Let's stop for a second and ask the question because I felt the same way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

What does Mike Flynn have to do with independent Media. Media.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mike, I really wish I understood. I mean, he has this. America. What's the name of it now? Saving America. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I get the sense that he's, you know, he was so. He was like head of the. Of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Head. He wasn't like some slouch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here it is America's future.

[Adam Curry]

I think he's been brought back in.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's. Yes, for sure. America's future. Now, this is what's interesting. They claim the nonprofit was founded in 1946, which is really when he was born. And if you look at it, and I've looked at it extensively, like, what exactly are they doing? And it's really run by his sister, Mary o'. Neill. She's the executive director. And they provide, you know, information, education. That's the main. That seemed. Now they. They provide information and education about child trafficking. Trafficking of women. Okay. But I've seen. I've seen him speak. I've been to speeches like, well, what are you really doing? It just seems to be funding things, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, funding things. Funnel.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a lot of money. It's a couple million dollars a year.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, here and there, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know, it's like wet. But it's really. He takes some of it, obviously. I mean. But that's okay. I mean, that's how you run a nonprofit. But I don't understand. All I know is that a lot of nonsense that circles around the Hill country eventually comes from him one way or the other. So I'm concerned when he's bringing in people from all over the world, including EVA St. James. And travel is their biggest expense on their form. 990. It's like. It's like big. It's like, number one is travel. And, you know, and I'm pretty sure I'm just going to say, and I love my neighbor. I love all my neighbors, even the crazy one. But, you know, when Laura goes to Moscow to interview Kirill Dmitriev, who's paying for that? I'm pretty sure it's America's future, you know, and they do these amazing fundraisers at Mar A Lago. We talked about this, this. And they bring in Mike Tyson. You're getting an American Freedom Award. And they do an awards gala, and people pay $5,000 a ticket, maybe two and a half thousand, 5,000 per couple to go to Mar A Lago. And maybe Trump will be there, maybe the president will be there. Mar A Lago. And people buy into this, like, oh, yeah, I'm going to Mar a Lago. Oh, you ever go to Marago? Yeah, and o' Keeffe is there, there. And it's all these independent journalists who always surround this and it just hasn't. I don't know, I can't. I don't want to accuse anybody of anything, but has an icky feel to it. I know that you. And I would say, no, no, I'm not interested. I'm not going to come to D.C. for your panel on independent journalism. Or would you?

[Adam Curry]

No, I would go. Unless if I had. Okay, here's what would happen. I do have some people to meet in D.C. if I had a first class round trip ticket, it was a convenient time of the week and I didn't have to worry about missing the show or missing my prep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I would shoot over there and do the thing real quick and then go hang. Hang out with different people that I know in the area and then go back. No, but I wouldn't probably go because they're not going to. No one's offering me that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what it is and I really. I'm a little afraid to touch it, but it feels like, you know, there's information being funneled through people, influencers, podcasters, etc. To get certain messages out there. And what.

[Adam Curry]

That's what it sounds like.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what eventually winds up happening is everyone's talking about the grid going down. No election. So I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah, yeah, it's exactly not pointing any fingers. I just. It feels off. Okay, so she.

[Adam Curry]

You're pointing fingers, but continue.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, wait a minute. Isn't even.

[Adam Curry]

But go ahead, Go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. But go ahead, though.

[Adam Curry]

Laura, by the way, I saw her do that. She was with. It was with Kamala or something, and she was doing it over and over again. But go ahead. You're talking about Kara Swisher, but go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It's unbelievable when you notice it.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's married to Eva. I'm talking about now. She's married to. Is he married to some Spanish guy or something? Hold on a second. It's worth looking into this for a second.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're the only one that could look into it because you're the only one who could actually spell her name to look into it. I couldn't. If I had the Google thing up, I would never get it right.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's like some. Maybe it's Italian. Sicilian family.

[Adam Curry]

Then.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, here it is. Francesco Gargallo di Castel Lentini. Right.

[Adam Curry]

She should change her name to Latini.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. And her dad is Case Flaarding a brug. Let me see, what does he do? Well, anyway, musicologist and former concert director. Okay, well, elitist circles for sure.

[Dutch Election Commentator]

And in light of that, I wanted to talk to you guys a little bit about the Dutch election results, because the final results are in now and the PPV lost the elections. The worst of the worst. The most liberal globalist party that we have, they won the elections and now we are looking at a government that is more left wing than the government under Margaret ever was. Because also the far left left and the centrist party did a good job. They won quite a lot of seats. So it's not looking great for us, let's say. And the reason I wanted to tie that to the importance of independent media is because I think that the result that we see now in the Netherlands is the result of media manipulation. The party leader of these execs, he's a very openly, very woke gay man. And he was on tv, I kid you not, every single day before the elections. He had a budget. Their party had a budget of 2 million euros to spend on their media campaign, whereas most other parties had an average of €200,000. They didn't get the same type of airtime, like not even close to the type of airtime that they got. And he was on all these feel good shows, you know, talking about how we can make the Netherlands great again, which is like so funny because they are pro eu, they are pro mass immigration, they are probably the climate regulations. They are going to destroy this country or my country even more than Margaret has. And we don't have that much left to lose. So it just goes to show that the people can still be manipulated very, very successfully through the legacy media, because.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm gonna stop it there for a second. She's. Yes. First of all, you have to understand that the big talk shows, et cetera in the Netherlands are funded by the government public media. They're all leftists, very leftist throughout the. Throughout the public media sphere. But there's something else. That Robot Rob, did they call him Robot Rob, the guy who won? Yes, he's very gay guy. Yeah, he's very stiff. He's very stiff and stiff. And I want to play this from. I think this is. This F24. Yeah, most of it's explained here, but there's something very interesting and it also is what has to do with what's happening here in the United States.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

With a smile and a sunny attitude, Rob Yetin charmed his way into the hearts of Dutch voters. His belief, as per his campaign slogan, was it is possible.

[Adam Curry]

My message to everyone is that if.

[John C. Dvorak]

We run on positive platforms and positive.

[Adam Curry]

Campaigns, it's possible to.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we run on positive platforms, positive campaigns, it is possible to make things very good, defeat the populist, and to.

[Adam Curry]

Work together with the broad middle and centrist parties to show people that we can deliver real results.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

The 38 year old representing the socially liberal D66 party is tipped to become the youngest Prime Minister for the Netherlands. He grew up in a small Dutch town as a self confessed politics nerd. At the age of just 29 in 2017, he was first elected as an MP and served as climate Minister under Mark Rute's government. But all has not gone smoothly. During the 2023 election campaign, he earned the nickname Robot Yetton for his stumbling media personality. And his party suffered a catastrophic defeat under his leadership, winning just nine seats. This time, he turned things around. He made big promises, such as tackling the housing shortage, building cities and boosting green energy. He also took on the far right, Geert Wilders, head on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most Dutch people understand that the economy needs talent from abroad. They want to properly accommodate people fleeing war and violence, while also being strict with those who abuse the system. They can choose to listen to your grumbling and hatred for another 20 years, or we can choose with the positive forces to simply get to work and tackle this problem and solve it in another first.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Yetam would become the country's first openly gay prime minister. Critics say it was his positive can do attitude that appealed to voters, in contrast with builders that sowed division.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so first of all, it's funny that she says first openly gay prime minister, because of course everyone was like, ruta is a closeted gay when he was prime minister for gosh, how many. Eight years years. What he did. And this is. It's very much like no Kings Day. Lots of Dutch flags, lots of nationalism, a lot of no, no, we just hate that guy. You're grumpy. You're a grumpy old mean guy. You're just talking about negativity. We want positivity. We love Holland, we love America. We just don't like kings. Of course that doesn't work in Holland, but. But it's some kind of globalist movement that is being coordinated in. Let's attack the right, the far right. Let's attack them with flags and nationalism and positivity. Because that's the same when we had the no Kings day here in Fredericksburg. Even if you said, I think, if I recall, Tina was in her car and she did a thumbs down towards some of the protesters, you know, the 40 people in front of City hall in Fredericksburg who had flags and everything. And they went, God bless you. Have a great day. You know, it's something that is some kind of coordinated effort as a new way to unseat populist right politicians. And I think that Eva is partially correct, well, maybe completely correct, that the media, you just can't, you can't. The Dutch listen to radio. I mean, even young people listen to the radio. They watch their television, you know, the, the big talk shows. It's all, it's all very scripted, coordinated, very, you know, USSR kind of vibe to it, if you look at it as an outsider. So I'm not surprised at all that this worked on the Dutch. You know, remember, it's like, oh, here's my bike. All right, my bike. I'm being mean. All right, I'll play.

[Adam Curry]

You're being mean to the Dutch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the Dutch. Here's the. Hey, believe me, the Dutch have a lot of spirit, but you got to wonder how many young people voted. So here's your second clip.

[Dutch Election Commentator]

The people can still be manipulated very, very successfully through the legacy media because the average Dutch voter doesn't want mass immigration. You know, they actually had that on top of their list for these elections. And yet all these other parties, left wing parties, they won. Like this is the result of legacy media manipulation. And as much as we are gaining ground, of course thanks to X, of course thanks to Elon Musk and with the independent media on these platforms, this shows you that the legacy media's power is. It's not gone, you know, it's not. It's far from over. And we can already tell now that the institutions that were still even during Wilders government ridden with, with Marxist, that they now have this renewed confidence, they have, they have regained their arrogance and their own already talking like, okay, you know, we're gonna, we got our country back. In the rest of Europe, in Italy, the liberals are talking about how they can do the same with the Meloni government. They, you know, they are going to be able to let her government fall as well and that they're going to regain power. So I really foresee nothing but bad things coming from this. I hope it's going to strengthen the right wing, but it's. Again, it's bad. It's bad. And don't underestimate the power that the legacy Media still has, because this is the proof of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think it's the legacy media and I don't think Mike Flynn is going to fix all of this with his little gatherings. You need a guy like Trump. You need a MAGA movement. That's the only way to do it. And Wilder wasn't like that at all.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'm playing this clip largely because of that, this attitude that you're expressing, because I have more confidence that the legacy media here. I don't know about Holland, which is controlled by the government, it seems still having a massive influence because all the people I know, including some big shots that are Trump derangement syndrome prone, they all read the New York Times. They all read the New York Times.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they also go out and vote. Young people don't go. This is, this is why, as I said, this hopium about Nick Fuentes. Oh, oh, we finally. We have someone new on the scene. No, Bernie Sanders would be your president if young people, young people really got unvoted. It's a joke. Oh, you can vote at 16. Fine. They don't. They just don't. Surely we can agree on this, that the average age voter has got to be at least 50 plus us.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not sure what the average age voter is or what the median age voter is. Would be worth somebody telling us because it's got to be in the literature. You should, you could ask the robot. She should know.

[John C. Dvorak]

For American. For American elections, what's the.

[Adam Curry]

What's the median and average. Ask for both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Error. In the United states elections of 2024, what was the median age and average age of the voters? Voting public.

[Adam Curry]

I would think. That's a quick lookup. Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what her problem is.

[Adam Curry]

Are you online?

[John C. Dvorak]

I am. She's not talking to me. No response. It says. Well, that's nice. Hold on, let me try that. Oh, you know what, Let me go to fast. Hold on a second. Error. In the United states elections of 2024, what was the median age and average age of the voting public?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Hey. So for the 2024 US election, the voting public skewed older thanks to higher turnout from folks over 45. Based on census data, the average age.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of actual voters was around 51, while.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

The median clocked in at about 48.

[John C. Dvorak]

Younger crowds just didn't show up as as much much.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Turnout for 18 to 24 was only 48% versus 75% for those 65 and up. Kind of wild how that pulls the numbers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, kind of wild. No, it's not wild.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Just.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't need your wild.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about idiot.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Therehere you go. 50.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. The average is 51. The median is 48, which is interesting. But that, that means, that tells me. Because the average was 51 and the median is 48, that tells me the, that there was a lot of pull toward the 48 number and less down, further down or the average would have been lower than 48. So, so it's. So it's. Yes, I would say the average. Most voters are over 40 is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

More or less what that means. Which is. Yeah, you're right. And the public, if you look at the cross section of the public, there should be more younger voters. Okay. Bernie Sanders would be president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, definitely. Because he was the lovable grandpa. All right, so now let's move.

[Adam Curry]

So thank God for this skew, I guess. Who the hell needs Bernie Sanders as president?

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to hit the shutdown for a second.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

As the government shutdown in the United States barrels toward becoming the longest in history, potentially surpassing the 35 day mark reached during President Trump's first term. Everyday, Americans are paying the price like those depending on critical food assistance programs.

[Adam Curry]

There's only so much we can do from the charity sector. Like, I'm incredibly concerned with each and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every customer that we're fortunate to serve.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Friday, two federal judges ruled the Trump administration must pay for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program, known as SNAP, which helps over 40 million Americans feed their families. The rulings come after the U.S. department of Agriculture and announced it would halt food assistance set to go out November 1st because Congress hadn't allocated funds for the program for the current fiscal year. If you are in a position where you can't feed your family and you're relying on that $187 a month for an average family in the SNAP program that we have failed you. But one of the judges says there's no reason to halt the payments as contingency funds are still set aside to fund SNAP years in advance just in case of a government shutdown. In a truth social post, Trump challenged whether he could legally fund SNAP with available money, blaming Democrats for the delay in food assistance.

[Adam Curry]

The Democrats just don't know what they're doing. All they have to do is say, let's go, let's open up our country and everything snaps back into shape.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

So far, Democrats have refused to budge over price hikes in health care. They that could leave millions uninsured because of exorbitant premiums. Travelers are also feeling the effects as some 2200 flight delays have been reported so far due to staffing shortages of air traffic controllers who have been working without pay. Trump is now calling on Senate Republicans to get rid of a rule to allow the budget to pass with a simple majority, causing further strain on fragile negotiations between Democrats and Republicans to reopen the government.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I want to start with the boots on the ground from the anonymous controller and his anonymous controller wife. These are ATC professionals. I know them. We have a lot of them in our listening. Producing public general feelings around the ATC is dependent on your political affiliation. Unfortunately, Trump voters are not surprised by what's happening and are financially sound decision makers. Some of us save three months of bills just for this instance once Trump got elected. How about that? Others of the more libtarded affiliation are up.

[Adam Curry]

No bias there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let them go. Are up in arms and very complainy about them not being able to make their car payment for their $80 Lexus, $80,000 Lexus or Tesla trucks. The general consensus of the libtarded group is why can't we just give everyone free health care? We're the richest country in the world. A fascinating and heard of message from left leaning communist federal workers. Trump voters such as myself are simply laughing through this while working, occasionally doing a Trump impression, calling other co workers gay in the area of airspace my wife and I work in. Morale is generally up even while staffing is still terrible and working six days a week unpaid isn't necessarily ideal. I think we realize as a group that when it comes down to helping the guy sitting next to you embrace the suck if you will will. However, this is important. News flash to gitmonation. Without us, you don't get your Amazon packages or go on vacation. It may be wise to cancel your vacation or drive the deeper. Or drive the deeper into this it goes, the more mile in trail increases the angrier and more sick controllers get, causing cancellations and delays. My prediction is this will go until after the holiday. If you have holiday flying plans, I suggest you drive. It's only going to get worse. I thought that was a stark but a necessary warning for Gitmo Nation. Now, regarding the SNAP benefits.

[Adam Curry]

That was a good note. Just for that. For that advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Now just so we understand how snap, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program works, it's authorized and funded through the Federal Farm Bill, which gets reauthorized periodically by Congress and annual appropriations. So this is the U.S. department of Agriculture and Nutrition Service, USDA FNS. They oversee it. So they make funds Available as an open ended entitlement, meaning spending adjusts automatically based on participation levels. In fiscal year 2024, this totaled $100 billion for benefits. Nearly all.

[Adam Curry]

I had the number low when I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was talking about this recently. No, it's 100 billion.

[Adam Curry]

But I noticed that have some clips coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, hold on, I'm going to get into it.

[Adam Curry]

I know, I was going to say I in one of the clips it says they're not going to have it for November because it's going to cost them 9 billion. I'm thinking. Wait a minute, I thought it was 70 total. Not quite right, 100 billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So it's ridiculous. So but this and they're talking about oh we said we sent some aid to Israel but It's. Yeah, right, 3 billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it really comes down to, to the states. And now the USDA provides state agencies electronic letters of credit. So it's really the states that have this money and could have saved up this money and they can move money around, they can do a lot of different things to make these benefits still go through. So it really is a huge political theater. But here's the interesting part that I didn't realize. The retailers, they get the EBT cards, they get processed in real time through the EBT system. It's not the regular credit card system. So the retailer submits the transaction to the EBT processor and then the processor credits the retailer's bank account within 24 to 48 hours and then they draw the equivalent amount from the state's letter of credit. This is a huge quagmire. So wouldn't you know it that I have producers sending me pictures of chicken in Walmart and the price has dropped by 30 to 40 cents a pound the minute this EBT was off the table. Exactly what we talked about, that once you get government money in this, this the price goes up for everybody.

[Adam Curry]

This is what the point you made about tuitions.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, tuitions, any. Yeah, insurance. And let me just say again.

[Adam Curry]

Get.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out of that system, get out this insurance. The Obamacare subsidies only goes to bankers and they are jacking up the rates because they don't want to look bad on Wall Street. That's all that this is about. And by the way, it's not for healthcare because you don't get health care for it. You've got huge deductibles and, and you know, you're paying 12, 13, 1400 dollars a month for a family. It's insane. Americans have banded together and I finally figured it, you know, so tinaurry.com if you want to know about her system and what I found out about those guys, the crowd health guys, what they actually did is when and I heard about them five years ago ago, they have so they take, I think it's like $99 per month for the first three months and you pay the first $500 yourself and then they go out and take care of the rest of it for you through this crowdfunding. And they have a treasury, some of which they smartly put into Bitcoin five years ago. So that's why these guys are doing well. Now you can't smoke. And so I'm not on her plan. I go through CHM Christian Health Ministries, which is the same type of system. There, of course, you have to profess that Jesus is your Lord and savior. You don't want to lie about that because you know what happens then you're going to hell. You can't lie about that. But there's many of these systems.

[Adam Curry]

Wouldn't you be going to hell anyway?

[John C. Dvorak]

Why?

[Adam Curry]

If you don't, if, according to the theory, if you lie about, if you're lying about that, that you're going to go to hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

But if you don't believe that you're going to go to hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. That's the Catholic system. No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Catholics like to send people to hell at the drop of a hat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Exactly. Sorry, Catholics out there. That's just my, that's just. No, we're just joking around. Nanu, nanu. But get out of that system. Seriously. It's ridiculous. And it's like a psychological, it's an op. The whole thing is an opinion. And that's why they keep calling it health care. It's not health care.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that best part is they call it the affordable health care even funnier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, like the Patriot Acts. No.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but not for Patriot. Obamacare killing us. Npr, this is from npr. This is a little offshoot clip.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Open enrollment started today for health insurance on healthcare.gov the ACA marketplace. NPR. Selena Simmons Duffin has more on what people enrolling this year need to know. They're pretty premiums might be significantly higher, and that is because something called enhanced subsidies that Congress first passed in 2021 are expiring. And that extra help to buy health insurance is something that millions of people have relied on in the last few years. In fact, 24 million people have these plans. They're small business owners, farmers, ranchers. And as open enrollment begins this year, the federal government is shut Down. And these subsidies are a central issue.

[John C. Dvorak]

And again, you get one of these programs and they go directly to the hospital, to the doctor, they say, hey, Doc, guess what? You have this, this bill. We're going to pay you cash, no paperwork, we're going to give you 20 cents on the dollar. And they negotiate a little bit on your behalf. And the doctor and the hospital go, yeah, actually, that's great. Let's do it. It, you can do it yourself, but it's a hassle. And you pay into the system and then once in a while they say, hey, do you want to give you got any extra cash? You want to help everybody? And then when you're in a real bind, people help you. It's a very interesting, fun way to not go broke for nothing for not getting any benefits. Young people, listen to me. Did you tell your kids, did you tell the kids to do this, to look into this?

[Adam Curry]

They have some. Something going on. Well, one of them had Chevron, so that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, so he's good to go. He's got some. But that'll end eventually.

[Adam Curry]

No, the whole thing's a scam. This affordable health care and then when you hear about. Well, it's always been. Is being subsidized by the taxpayers. Yeah, I thought the whole idea of affordable health care was that it was going to be affordable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's not.

[Adam Curry]

And now they're going on and on. They're all freaked out. That's why the Democrats won't open the government again, because they're going to make sure there's more money in there to continue this scam that makes it. And somebody analyzed it to say, look, they were trying to keep this phony baloney Obamacare system going long enough to put all the independents out of business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, it, which is, it makes some sense. I got some SNAP clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Snap.

[Adam Curry]

All right, first of all, there's this. This the, just a standard clip. The SNAP and food banks, which everyone should know about food banks say they're.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Seeing an immediate uptake in demand despite two judges orders yesterday that the Trump administration provide funding for the SNAP food assistance program. From member station KQED in San Francisco, Dana Cronin has more food banks here in the Bay Area are ramping up efforts in response to the hundreds of calls they say they've received so far from people seeking relief.

[John C. Dvorak]

Caitlin Sly is the CEO of the.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Food bank of Contra Costa and Solano. She says it's unclear what happens next after the Trump administration was ordered to fund snap. Either Way, we're looking at at least a week probably more than are the hungry in our community are going to go without food. Sly says her organization is opening additional distribution sites and deploying more food and personnel to meet the increased demand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is another great American institution, your local food bank. If you got some extra food, drop it off.

[Adam Curry]

Now, there's a. NPR generally reports they this thing about the judge who said you got to pay this bill and Trump administration, Trump has actually said, we'd love to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, show me how.

[Adam Curry]

And, and they, and the thing is that the reporting is going that the Trump. It's unknown whether the Trump administration is going to, you know, take this to a higher court or they're going to, you know, push against.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same type of federal judge that tells Trump, you can't do this with ice. You can't do that, you can't do this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but the thing is Trump, Trump's, what Trump's actually going to do, he sent his people back saying, we'll be glad to do it, but you have to tell us how we can do it legally. Yes, that's the kicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

And so, so, so this reporting stinks on this stuff. But let's, let's listen to our best friend.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Saffron succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Scott. There are no SNAP food benefits for.

[Adam Curry]

Millions of Americans today for the first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time since the country's largest anti hunger.

[Adam Curry]

Program began six decades ago. On Friday, two federal judges said the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pause was likely to be unlawful. President Trump says he's open to keeping SNAP going despite the government shutdown, but it is not clear how or when that happened. NPR's Jennifer Ludden joins us. Jennifer, thanks for being with us. Hi.

[Adam Curry]

Hi there.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Hi there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump administration says there's just no money available to fund snap.

[Adam Curry]

What did both of the federal judges say about that?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Well, they said Congress has Provided More than $5 billion in emergency funds and it's for exactly this kind of situation. They rejected the administration's argument that it cannot legally use that. They said it not only can, but must. In Rhode Island, Judge John McConnell Jr. Called for this to happen, happen as soon as possible. The other judge, Indira Talwani in Boston, said officials could also tap more money from Customs revenue, but she left that decision up to them. Both judges gave the administration until Monday to come back with a plan for how it will proceed.

[John C. Dvorak]

But does this mean that people who count on this assistance might see it sometime soon?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

That is a good question and the only answer Right now is we really don't know. I mean, first, will the administration appeal? Second, if they agree to only tap the contingency funds, that falls well short of Snap's November budget, which is $9 billion, so the people would not get the full amount they qualify for. And in that case, the administration has said, you know, calculating partial payments is a logistical nightmare that could take time, especially in the middle of a shutdown. And, and then as for President Trump, a few hours after these rulings, he addressed them in a social media post. He said he's instructed his lawyers to clarify with the court how they can legally fund snap. And if they do, he said, it will be my honor to provide funding, just like I did with the military and law enforcement pay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is very interesting. First of all, Trump has to pay the military and Customs, Border Patrol. Otherwise, his whole ICE gambit falls apart part. But if we get to a point where the government, the federal government can pay certain things, entitlement programs, the ones that they want to fund, well, why don't we just keep the government shut And.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, now, and I, I, I, I'm getting reports from producers who are saying, you know, something really odd is happening. Like, we're processing payroll, and it seems like, like, you know, like it's back to normal, even though it isn't. There's something going on, and at a certain point, you're gonna have to. Now, are Social Security checks still going out?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you get one, I don't get one.

[Adam Curry]

No. And I don't get a Social Security check. They're all direct deposit. In fact, I'm surprised you get money. Gets one.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you get money.

[Adam Curry]

Because they told US at least 10 years ago, whenever I turned 60, I was one of the lucky ones. I get to be 65. They said, no, we're not sending checks out anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, but you know what my question is?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't look at that account.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, it would be interesting to know. I think Tina got hers.

[Adam Curry]

What'd she get it for? How old is she?

[John C. Dvorak]

63. 2. Oops, sorry, babe. No, she is 63. What am I talking about? She took early.

[Adam Curry]

She took early?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You know why? No, no.

[Adam Curry]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

She takes it early and puts it into Bitcoin.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's probably a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I think it's a great idea.

[Adam Curry]

As long as things hold up.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's always that. But, you know, hey, I can be spitting in this mic till I Keel over, baby, just keep on going.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's going to happen anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, probably. But I'm just saying it's an interesting thought that if the judge says, well, you can do it this way. Way. Well, then can we just select soliciting it for.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe that's what Trump's up to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Feels like it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Let's say, okay, well, you know, I don't like that decision, but if you could tell us how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your way.

[Adam Curry]

Because that's what he's asking for. It's like, okay, yeah, we'll do it, but you have to tell us how to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And then once we know how to do it, then we can select outside of Congress who was supposed to hold the purse string. Then we can select what we want to fund and what we don't want to fund. Very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yet another trap.

[John C. Dvorak]

If the administration decides to pay people.

[Adam Curry]

At least some part of their regular.

[John C. Dvorak]

SNAP food benefits, how would that break down? How would it work?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

We really don't know. Again, this has not happened before. I've not seen a public plan for how to do it. I did speak, though, with an Agriculture Department employee who works on snap, and they agreed it would be challenging. And even beyond logistics, this person asked me not to use their name for fear of retribution. And also they're not authorized to speak with media. But they said, for one thing, if you have partial funding, do you give it only to the most needy or do you give people, you know, half their regular amount, maybe 3/4. And states would want to say in that. But also, how do you divide partial funding among states the employee wants? Wondered if this administration might decide to give some states more SNAP money than others.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Jennifer, where does this leave the millions of people who aren't getting federal food aid beginning today?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Scott, it leaves them in need. You know, it is a lot of money that is disappearing from people's food budgets. We don't know for how long. Food policy experts say no amount of amping up food banks can come anywhere close to making up this difference. But of course, it does help, and we see more states and cities shifting money for it. Soon after yesterday's rulings, Oklahoma's governor announced a vote to send a million dollars a week to food banks for SNAP recipients for up to seven weeks if needed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saint Pierce, Jennifer Ludden, thanks so much. Up to seven weeks? Well, I just thought it was fascinating to see the prices drop at Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that is interesting. Of course, I never shop there, but I want to play just an. Just Off, Little off script here. There's Scott Simon. He played, there's. He's been on the air for 40 years or something, and he was bragging about it and he played an old clip of himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Before he, you know, this voice he has is new.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Listen, I don't know if these are both the same clip I got old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they're the same.

[Adam Curry]

Are they the same timing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, same timing.

[Adam Curry]

The same clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Here is. Here's Scott Simon in the 80s, 80s.

[John C. Dvorak]

40 years ago this weekend. I'm Scott Simon and we're glad you're.

[Adam Curry]

With us for this, our first program.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Saturday, November 2, 1985. Wow. How did that happen?

[Adam Curry]

He sounds like, in fact, if you play it again, he sounds like somebody else. He sounds like a modern. I can't think.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you know what he sounds like? One of those guys on the pirate ships in the north sea in the 70s.

[Adam Curry]

No, the way he starts with his regular voice and then he plays the clip. But that clip, that voice he has in that clip is. Sounds like somebody else. That's current and I can't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me listen. Let's listen again 40 years ago this weekend. I'm Scott Simon and we're glad you're.

[Adam Curry]

With us for this, our first program.

[John C. Dvorak]

It sounds like he's hosting a game show.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like John Dickerson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saturday, November 2, 1985. Let me see if I have a Dickerson comparison clip. Dickerson. Let's see. Okay. Okay. Oh, well, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Nearly 2,000 Guard members will be on the streets, many from six Republican Le States.

[Glenn Greenwald]

I'm Scott Simon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe a little bit.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, but he doesn't sound like Scott Simon.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he does not. But hold on a second. Yep, the show is too long. It's time to take a break, John. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in. In the Affordable Care act. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, good morning, our ship SE with the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water and all the names and nights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. In the morning, you're the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you there. Okay, we got it. 1-19-49. There you go. Trolls in the troll room. Listening live to our show, everybody. It's our live studio audience. We love you trolls. Good to have you here. You can listen [e-mail]. join in. There you can hop right into the troll room if you want. Or you can grab one of those modern podcast apps. These are the ones that will alert you when we go live. And you can listen to a live program in your app. How amazing is that? Many other features, transcripts, chapters, locations. Just a million. Like, 27 new features that you don't get from your legacy app. What are you waiting for? Podcastapps.com Our 19th year on the air. This is what. Well, to be fair, when we play clips of what we sounded like 10, 15 years ago, it sounds very different. You sound kind of the same. You have. You have.

[Adam Curry]

Berkeley nasal accent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, there it is. Yes. It's like a Hummer.

[Adam Curry]

You're a Hummer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Berkeley Hummer.

[Adam Curry]

Well, not a Hummer. Hummers talk with long noise. Never goes away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where is our Hummer? We haven't heard from the Hummer in a long time. Let's see. Berkeley Hummer. Here she is, chief among many. No, that's not it. Hummer.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is Hummer? How come it's so low? You know, obviously I re. I read the New York Times, like, all day long. Mainly on my iPad app. Not AI people. That is actually reading real. That was. Who was she again? Who was that woman?

[Adam Curry]

That was the editor in chief of the New York Times for a while. His name, for some reason, since we haven't talked to her for years and years, eludes me. I can come up with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's okay. It's okay. We. We run our show as independent journalists, value for value. So there's no audience capture here. It's impossible. It's impossible. It just doesn't work that way. Nope. And we're happy about it because we sleep well at night and we don't have to travel to Mar a lago and D.C. it makes life.

[Adam Curry]

Makes a lot of pain in the ass. That would be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes life a lot easier.

[Adam Curry]

You got to pay to park.

[John C. Dvorak]

In D.C. or at the White House. Everywhere. Mar A Lago. You probably got to pay to park in Mar A Lago. Wouldn't surprise me.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm sure you do. Maybe they just wave you through.

[John C. Dvorak]

So time, talent and treasure is how we have been running this show.

[Adam Curry]

Show.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that means it's value for value. So whatever you get out of it. If you're thinking, you know, I learned something today, then how about this? What you can do is you can send some value back. You can do it by organizing things, by hitting people in the mouth. Of course, we love the treasure part of the time. Talent and Treasure, there's people who do websites for us. People do amazing amount of things for it. Let me see. No Agenda notes.

[Adam Curry]

Where am I?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is weird. Any show notes. Here we go. We have. Oh, this is strange. Why is. I've not seen this happen.

[Adam Curry]

What? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm trying to get na show. I go to nashownotes.com and for some reason it takes me to no Agenda stream. Now all of a sudden, uh oh, that seems Mark. That seems like a DNS issue. We have all of us sudden and yeah, na.

[Adam Curry]

Mark's in bed.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's awake. Nashownotes.com. that's weird. Yeah, it takes. Takes me to no Agenda stream. So that's not very handy. Let me see if I go to 1812 no agenda notes dot com. I can probably get that. Okay. Ah, there we go. People make artwork for us. Or better yet, they prompt things. Some make some actual artwork from time to time. By the way, our no Agenda gitmonation AI slop stream. Ooh, Slopstream. I like that. Is available. You can create any kind of website around it. The actual link is in the show notes. So copy that link and you'll get 24 7, the best AI slop music. Music on the clock. And it'll be more. It'll be lots of end of show mixes. But at a certain point it'll be more and more of these slop songs. And before you know it, we'll have a hit radio station. So go podcasting. We love the. The artists or the. The prompters who create art for us. And I think was this a new. A new entrant? Rocket Boy all of a sudden shows up.

[Adam Curry]

How long Rocket Boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rocket Boy's been around for a year.

[Adam Curry]

Rocket Boy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was thinking about a name and he had no agenda. Beats as a great name, except he spelled it B E E T S and created some artwork with three beats.

[Adam Curry]

His first artwork was at the end of 2023 in December 28th. He hasn't really submitted much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has he had any wins? Has he had any wins?

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking. I don't see any other wins.

[John C. Dvorak]

He won this time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Rocket Boy. We appreciate that. Rocket Boy. Very good. We thought that was fun. Funny certainly, because there just is so little because, you know, it's easy to prompt. It's hard to prompt something funny. And of course there was a lot of. A lot of Halloween art. We didn't even talk about Halloween. We didn't mention it once on the show.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Why?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. It wasn't anything that came to mind. And it wasn't Halloween on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. It was the day before Halloween. We had no one show up.

[Adam Curry]

And it wasn't a Halloween special. Special. We didn't put it in the newsletter as Halloween. But all everyone took. Assumed. They assumed. You know what that means?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Ass on you and me. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, there's a lot of butt. There's more than one pumpkins into butts, which is like. Something about that. Yeah. I think he needs to go see someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only fans. He needs only.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, only fans. Get out of your system.

[John C. Dvorak]

I kind of like the Freedom Tunnel. That was. That was kind of cute.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, by the way, you did like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think that brings me. I think I have a bonus clip. About that. I. We want a. A bonus clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we always want a bonus.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got a bonus clip. So we were talking about. Let me see, where is it? We were talking about. What's his face? Dmitriev. And he was talking about the tunnel that would go between Russia. Russia and the United States. And that would be, you know, part of the ark. The America, Russia, China project that we are investigating and keep looking out for. And then Scott Besant, our Secretary of the treasury, our money guy, the guy with the wallet, he was on. With the money, honey. What do you think? The wallet guy with the money, honey. And he threw out this little ditty. In terms of the Japanese buying Russian oil. They buy, I think, a substantial amount of LNG about 10% of their needs from Russia. And I believe over time they will be weaning off of that. And they will be part of a very large pipeline project that the US Is constructing in Alaska. The Koreans may be part of it. And President Xi, unilaterally, in the meeting today, brought up that the Chinese might like to be part of it.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? I thought that was excellent.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's been not discussed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why would it be? We can't have that.

[Adam Curry]

So they run a pipeline from Russia. From Russia. I'm sorry. From Alaska through that. Another. They obviously wouldn't put it in the same tunnel as the train. Train. But they'd run the pipeline probably in the water across the straits up to. Through Vladivostok, down in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then into. Yeah, it's doable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I just hadn't heard about it. I thought that was raw. The interesting. A little. Little gem drop.

[Adam Curry]

Cheaper than the train, that's for sure. I think the trains would really be something.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm looking. So I Did kind of like the tunnel. I thought that was okay. You like the robot with a digital id, which.

[Adam Curry]

Which I use for the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know Jeffrey Ria. He's using the same model and it's just like. It's boring. It's boring artwork.

[Adam Curry]

I like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know you do. I didn't like it. We had the Champagne Socialist from Dan obgyn. Okay, Dan. More pumpkins. Pumpkins. Pumpkins. No, it was too much pumpkin art. And do we have anything even remotely usable for today yet?

[Adam Curry]

No, not that. I. I mean, the lonely fans thing is kind of funny, but it's not usable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, we'll see if anyone comes up with something. Gotta. You gotta hurry, dude. It's like. I mean, it's so easy to prompt something, but our people have no imagination, it seems.

[Adam Curry]

No AI has no imagination.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Adam Curry]

They prompt and prompt. You know that anything that's submitted here, you have to assume. Because I've used these systems, I use them to create art for my substack column. And you prompt and you prompt and you prompt.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can be.

[Adam Curry]

If you don't. If you get on the wrong track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're.

[Adam Curry]

You can be prompting for days on end and you keep getting pieces. You get three or four pieces every time and. Ah, this is no good. This is no good. You know, every one of these pieces that have submitted, except for the crappy ones, like. Like there's one or two I can think of that are on here right now. You're picking from maybe 25 pieces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is like as much work as doing the art. If you're fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's like when people are sending me songs, they send me like, here's another version. Here's another version here. No, no, no. Pick one version and send that to me.

[Adam Curry]

I don't need producer people. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't need your whole SUNO history. Okay. It's just not necessary. Okay. Hey, let's thank our producers who sent us some treasure. We always appreciate that. And we thank everybody. $50 and above. And then we have some special thank yous to people who were fortunate enough to be able to give us $200 or more for this episode, which makes you an automatic associate executive producer of the no Agenda show for this episode. Not only do you get that Hollywood credit, which is usable anywhere, right there. Up. You can be right up with Dana Brady Brunetti and 50 Shades of Gray, Grayer and Smut and on IMDb.com and we will read your note. Within reason. Robert from Seven Hills. And if you can send us 300. If you can send us $300 or more, we will give you an executive producer credit and we will also read your note. And of course the people who come in big have the shortest notes. And so that's why I'm very happy to thank Dan. Daniela Pompeo from Los Angeles, California. She sends $1,000 and says Happy 18th and many more to come. What?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I cleared. I had a bunch of these things crop up on my screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

What things?

[Adam Curry]

And I'm clearing bugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bugs? Creepy crawlies. What things?

[Adam Curry]

No, the little windows reminders of this and that. And I clicked on one of them to get it off the screen and instead it took over my screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're gonna reboot? Are you rebooting?

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm good. I fixed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you updating?

[Adam Curry]

I'm updating.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've had the update pop up three times during this episode alone.

[Adam Curry]

You know, here's a funny snooze.

[John C. Dvorak]

Snooze.

[Adam Curry]

Another boring story. But. So I'm on old version of Windows 10 on this NUC. Because it's. It's like a grandfathered out version that was specific to the intel update.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not supposed to update and it doesn't update.

[Adam Curry]

It says, well, you should be updating. So you, you say. And it keeps pestering you. So you update and update and it doesn't. Then it updates and says, wait a minute, I can't do anything here because I'm locked out. I forget it and it goes back to the original, which is fine because it's bug free. And so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. But something popped up.

[Adam Curry]

I'm getting pestered. You've got to move to Windows 11 now. This was after. Yeah, I have been told, if you Remember, when Windows 11 first came out, you had to run a check to see if your computer was a Windows 11 compatible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Compatible.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Remember?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Member.

[John C. Dvorak]

Member. Member.

[Adam Curry]

And so this machine is not. But they've changed something because now they say it is. How does that work? How come it wasn't compatible? But they lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

They lie.

[Adam Curry]

This is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dark patterns. And please, I would love to run the show on Linux, but please don't tell me that my audio hardware will work on Linux, because it will not.

[Adam Curry]

Not.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do not need to email me. If you do, I'm going to have John block you on his system. Ok, Many more to come. Says Dame Pompeo, which is spelled P O M P E U. And she says, I'll be Dame Pompeo. Pomp Pompeo. From now on.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't it Pompoo?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she says Pompeo is pronounced like Mike Pompeo. So she will be Dame Pompeo. Thousand dollars. Thank you, Daniela. We appreciate.

[Adam Curry]

And she's also getting herself one of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she's getting a peace Prize.

[Adam Curry]

Peace Prize. Duke of San Francisco's up. He's in San Francisco.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

We see him at the meetups.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do? You do?

[Adam Curry]

6767. See, we have a meetup coming up in November 15th at the Mallard Club. I want people that haven't been showing up recently to come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, boy.

[Adam Curry]

Commodore. Dude named Ben. Named Ben. Duke of San Francisco. Thanks, Adam, for sand. Adam's response to my spiritual turmoil was heartfelt. Oh, you must have been communicating with him. He's in San Francisco. He's going to be depressed and truly impactful. Adam has truly enabled me to not go down the self hating Cath Jew path. Yes, Jew.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a Cath Jew.

[Adam Curry]

Then he has escape Pina colada.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know what that means.

[Adam Curry]

6, 7, 6, 6, 7, 6, 7.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know what that means. Don't. If you're white, you're a racist. If you're male, you're a pig. If you're sis, you are privileged skinny shaming. If you're big. Here we go. And if you stretch your homophobic, heaven help if you're old. So don't have an opinion. And just. There you go, Duke of San Francisco. 6, 7, 6, 7, 6. That is a very good donation number. We're loving these six sevens. And we move on to Nancy from Newburgh, New York. Oops. Oh, go away. She's in Newburgh, New York, and she sent in a. A printed note. Big hello to our.

[Adam Curry]

I should mention this came in before the. Before we closed. Secretary General.

[John C. Dvorak]

$500.

[Adam Curry]

So there's always going to be a couple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. A big hello to my two favorite podcasters. Thanks for all the laughs and fantastic media deconstruction. I am writing this note in haste. I'm hoping I'm not too late to bestow the gift of Secretary General to my excellent son. He knows who he is. I'm listening to your show today and I'm realizing I'm running out of time. We live in New York and he lives in California. Next weekend he's flying here for a quick visit. It'll be great if we can read this on November, the second show, because we will actually be together together. And we know the family that no agendas together stays together. It will also be a surprise for him. If that is not possible, that's okay too. No. Done. We did it. It's done. He's coming. He's coming. He's coming here to help us winterize our yard this year because my husband and his dad have been extremely sick this year with a very serious disease. Prayers up. Prayer flair received. We'd all appreciate prayers for his recovery. You got it. As many prayers as possible, please. God willing, he will get better. My son and I share the love of your show and have been listening for years. We are also both sustaining donors. If I were not in a rush today, I would compose a better letter because you really mean a lot to the both of us. Thank you so much. As Nancy in Newburgh, New York. And she even writes there in handwriting. Love you guys. All right, you got it. And the Secretary Generalship is taken care of.

[Adam Curry]

Robert in Seven Hills, Ohio. I didn't know there were a total of seven hills in Ohio, let alone a town. But 35093 it John did someone say hyper Local podcast network the Crooked river cast is ready. Where do we sign up? For example, do you know what the Ashland Ohio County Democrat Party has kicked out was kicked out of the Ashland county fair for offering buttons with 86 47. What a classy operation. And buttons that say is he dead yet?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, those Democrats. What cards. Along with others. And the Democrats are suing the county fair of course for being removed and for not being referred to.

[John C. Dvorak]

And for being.

[Adam Curry]

For being referred to the Secret Service. Or that as well they should be. Or that we have a petition in Ohio to get a constitutional amendment on November 26 ballot to abolish property taxes in the state government. Good luck. And now the legislators are scrambling to get bills passed in an attempt to virtue signal that they are fixing the problem. Yeah. Which is was fixed in California with Proposition 13 20, 30, 40 years ago. You can get more info at the group's website lobbyistforcitizens.com all you Ohioans. These are a few of the things you'll learn listening to a local podcast like the Crooked River River Cast every Monday morning. Check out crookedrivercast.com for a new blog post which publishes when the show it is a lot long note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very long.

[Adam Curry]

And the show does every Monday morning with the links and notes about the topics we discussed on the show. Thank you for our webmaster. To our webmaster and our wonderful sister in law.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think Gisela.

[Adam Curry]

Gisela.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Maybe I said geez.

[Adam Curry]

For all the work on the Website. She is doing a Great job. This Monday, 113 will be the special show. Since it will be our 33rd show and we all know that you only get 33 once. We celebrate this show with a donation of 3333 to the greatest podcast in the universe for help inspiring Tom and I to start this show after 32 shows. I have a new respect for what you guys do, especially when it comes to reading notes and have done so for the last 18 years. Congratulations. We knew it would not be easy, but wow, I really had to. I had no idea how easy you guys make it sound. Not reading notes though. You're not that good at that. Thank you for everything you do. May you never fight an exit strategy four more years because it'll take you that long to read the next note. Please extend your best goat karma for the show. Thank you for your continued attention to this matter. Robert from Crooked River Cast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boy, you've got karma. Yes. And then we have another note note from Cassandra.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is the woman I've talked about before. She sends these beautifully designed cards that she does by hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

She sent a Happy Halloween card and she says Happy Halloween, John. I'm looking for my name on the card. But no, no. Thank you for being the best podcast host in the universe. Worse, I guess it's just you. Please accept my donation. That includes check cashing fees.

[Adam Curry]

Which added 20 or 40 cents or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

She did donation calculate. So what is her number here? Her number.

[Adam Curry]

305.75 total 305.75.

[John C. Dvorak]

1031 October 31st plus 2025 this year is 3056 divided by 10. 305.60 plus 15 cents is 305.75. Beautiful. Thank you. Despite the that you didn't mention me, but I guess it was just for John, so. That's okay. You can have your fave.

[Adam Curry]

It was. It was meant for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can have your fave.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you get plenty of fan mail. Suskovi in Charlotte, North Carolina. 287 ITM Adam and John. Two sources inspired this donation. JCD's reference to the newsletter to the government shut down as a game of chicken. And Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana's reference to two eight seven chickens and a grand goat. I remember that. In lieu of all those chickens. Too many eggs dot com. Please accept this donation of $287. Adam. A goat scream if you please. Thank you both for your courage and for 18 years of superior media product. Sir SCO.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Sir Scoby. Sir Dixburg. Is here from New Brighton, Minnesota. 233 80. Dear John and Adam, I hope this donation note finds you well. In an effort to list all my producer credits and IMDb, I was checking my accounting records. I haven't donated in a while. He says it's a douchebag. But I won't douchebag you for that. I can't find proof of previous donations totaling enough for the title of Baronet. Doesn't mean I haven't donated enough. It just means I can only find receipts for $1,777.94. This is a donation of 222/plus $0.06 + fees that will allow me to sleep at night and use the title Baronet without shame. I donated 222.05 in May of 23. Likely asking Adam for a penny someday at. Well, I'm going to give it back to you. There you go. Someday I may find the missing transaction, but I doubt it. This is easier. No jingles, no karma. Love is lit, says Sir Dixford. And your title upgrade is planned, sir. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

You Brad Granier. If it was going to be pronounced that way, I think could be Grannier.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think Granny.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Brad Grannier. Is there a Grannier here?

[John C. Dvorak]

Brad G. Yeah. Brad Granier.

[Adam Curry]

Katie, TX 22336. God bless the both of you. I could use some jobs. Karma.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's vote for jobs.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

You've got karma, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got the blessings today. The Highland Craigs from Colorado Springs, Colorado come in with $200 and say God bless you all. Love from the Highland Craigs. Thank you, God. All uppercase.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois.

[John C. Dvorak]

You missed Sean. You missed Sean.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I did? Oh, I'm sorry. Sean Homan, 219 ITM brothers. God be with you. There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice. Eli the coffee guy. There he is. Bensonville, Illinois 2 1102. 200 plus the date 1102. It seems key evidence from the January 6th pipe bomber case has mysteriously disappeared. Funny how data corruption only seems to happen when the files get interesting. Epstein, anybody? You might not be able to trust the narrative, but you can trust that Gigawatt makes amazing fresh roasted code coffee. So visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the Coffee Guy.

[Adam Curry]

Michael chauvin in Saginaw, Michigan to 1060. To my Kathleen. 36 years ago I met a smoking hot brunette. And then. And then life got in the way. Two Years ago, you sent me me a text out of the blue, and I got a second chance at the love of my life. Wow, what a story. This time I am not letting go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

It's a message to Kathleen from 36 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Talk about carrying a torch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Message in a bottle. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, there's Matthew martell from martell hardware.com Brumal, PA 210 60. Only two things scale scare me. Nuclear war and the threat of being put on JCD's email block list. It's equal. Visit Martell Hardware.com use coupon code 67 for an additional 10% off your order. Oh, he wants Hot Pockets. I'm sorry, I missed that one. See JCD Hot Pockets, my sister system. That's not my system. It's my. Oh. What? This is interesting. Hot Pockets, it's me. It's not the system, it's me. Hot Pockets. There you go. Got it.

[Adam Curry]

Linda Lupack in Lakewood, Colorado. There she is. 200 bucks every show she should take. Get herself a degree or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I. I agree.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she is the duchess.

[John C. Dvorak]

I agree. I agree.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs Karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. By the way, she uses a resume. The first use says resume and the second is actually resume with the accent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of goo on both though resume may.

[Adam Curry]

That'S Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And winding it up, from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, Marina Strewin. What do you stroin? I'll do Struin. It's Calgary. So cool. Strouen. Today, November 2nd is my mom's birthday. Her name is Alina Strouen and she listens to your podcasts every week. She especially enjoys listening to the live shows when they come out on Thursdays and Sundays. So I know she'll be listening to this announcement live as well. Hello, Alina. My mom always tells our family how the no Agenda show is her favorite podcast of all time. If you guys could wish her a happy birthday, I know it would make her day day. Happy birthday, Alina. Happy birthday and love from Calgary, Alberta. It's beautiful live, man. I love it. The people listen live. Thank you very much to the executive and associate executive producers. We will be thanking the rest of our $50 and above producers in our second segment. We appreciate you and we appreciate that you're helping us in this way. It's value for value. It's the only way that the show continues for at least four more years or until the 21st. That'd be three more years. We're working on it. We're working on it. Keep us going. Go to noagendadonations.com any amount. Whenever you get value, you determine what that is to you. Only you know how much money in your pocket is value. You send that to us. Of course, you can always set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonation. Thank you to these associate and executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have, I have a rather disturbing report from ktla, KTLA in Los Angeles. This is the guy who's the smug guy, you know, is always making little quips and little jokes before he gets into his report. So I cut all that out.

[Adam Curry]

I watch ktla, so I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I watch it all the time. This is, this is an unfortunate dtcc, which we all know stands for due to Climate change.

[Glenn Greenwald]

We've already talked about how cocoa prices are rising worldwide because of climate change, and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon. But that in turn has the candy industry rejiggering its recipes to try to minimize the use of cocoa and cocoa butter and use alternative ingredients without messing too much with the taste. And that's something that is now prompting them to quietly change the labeling of their candies as well. For example, you may not have noticed, but the labels of Almond Joy, Mr. Goodbar, Rolo Candies, and others have been subtly changed in recent years. Gone were the words milk chocolate replaced with the largely meaningless phrase chocolate candy. Okay, what's up with that? The Food and Drug Administration has very clear criteria for what constitutes milk chocolate. And the chocolate industry ran afoul of that when to grapple with their high cocoa costs, they started replacing expensive cocoa butter with other fats. Now, that reformulation, as the industry calls it, means that you can no longer claim that product has milk chocolate because if it doesn't meet the criteria, it's not milk chocolate. And hence we get the largely ambiguous phrase chocolate candy, replacing that. Some are already using the phrase chocolatey, which suggests that it is in the vicinity of chocolate, I suppose, but it's not the same thing. Now we can see why this is happening and it's not going to be changing anytime soon. But make no mistake, this is not your father's eyes. This is something else entirely. And what this means ultimately, considering that climate change isn't going to end anytime soon, is that milk chocolate for the masses might be a thing of the past.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, amazingly, the one question I had about this report was actually asked by one of the co hosts on the KTLA morning show. Sadly, the answer was not satisfactory. So what is it?

[Glenn Greenwald]

What, what are these other. What is chocolate? If it's not milk chocolate, what is it? Well, if you're other fats, then I'm not sure where those fats are, but they are clearly not cocoa butter fats. And cocoa butter is what gives milk chocolate. It's very chocolatey taste. Fat is something that delivers flavor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, chemist.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Mouth appeal, which is something that the food industry focuses on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mouth appeal.

[Glenn Greenwald]

If it doesn't feel good in the mouth, you're not going to want to come back for more. So as they shift away from milk chocolate to these other forms of more chocolatey ingredients, you have to change the labels. And that's something where we as consumers just keep an eye out. If you don't see milk chocolate, it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ain'T so thank goodness we have a podcast with the two of us. We both have our strengths and weaknesses. We do SWOT analyses all the time. And this is right up your alley. So first of all, I agree it doesn't sound like cocoa butter or cocoa fat is used in milk milk. Milk chocolate. So I'd like to milk. I would like to know first what, what is in milk chocolate and what, what other fats could they be using instead?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm okay, I don't. You don't know what fats they're using? I mean, cocoa butter is a fat, but milk chocolate specifically has milk in it to make it that taste the way it tastes. It's actually. They use dried milk solids, normal normally. And that's what makes milk. It's got nothing to do with the fat.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think they're using this like, like butt fat, pig fat, other nut fat.

[Adam Curry]

I'm guessing it would be palm oil or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's not good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, palm oil isn't bad if it's fresh. We know it's not going to be fresh to make it on the spot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not going to be fresh.

[Adam Curry]

So that would be my gu. It would say on the label.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, no, that just.

[Adam Curry]

It would say on the label if, if they had added palm oil to the mix. It would say it. It has to say it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, everybody get out your Almond Joys. Whip out your Almond Joys. I don't I don't eat that crap. I only eat Lindt chocolate. If I eat chocolate and I do eat a couple squares after dinner of Lindt L I N D T chocolate. And mainly because I like the guy on the back with the chef's hat. Making the chocolate makes me feel good. Like that guy made my chocolate.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a lot of good chocolates out there besides Lindt.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know that's. I like the one with orange.

[Adam Curry]

Orange. Yeah. Orange chocolate is good. It's like. It's one of my favorite ice creams historically has always been bittersweet chocolate. Orange.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I have another climate change update and I'm very happy that a producer sent me this clip. It is a clip from the Tiktoks of or something because I had no idea about this. The Bovar scandal. Have you heard of the Bovar scandal in Denmark?

[Adam Curry]

I have heard of it. I don't have the knowledge of it on the top. Off the top of my head, I have the knowledge. I'll be reminded once you tell me, I'll say, yep, I have the knowledge.

[John C. Dvorak]

But first we have the breakthrough that this is now in the M5M. Hello, this is Ken Nelson from Denmark. This is an update on the Povah scandal in Denmark. Three days ago the first farmer went out with his face and his name in a video explaining how his cattle was sick and some of them dead because of this Beaure chemistry poison you might call it. Now three days later, our mainstream media is reporting what's going on. So we made it in some way. Now we broke the media wall. Now people in the Denmark is talking about the Beauvais scandal in some manner. So it's only this poisoning of the.

[Adam Curry]

Cows, how they get sick and some of them dies. That's in the mainstream media.

[John C. Dvorak]

We still need some other things. There's nothing about poisoning our food supply, milk and beef. There's nothing about how the politicians knew about this scandal and what would happen to our animals and our food supply.

[Adam Curry]

From December 24, December last year, almost.

[John C. Dvorak]

A year ago, the politicians and arle and the media knew about this. But in some way we succeeded. We broke the media wall. And now everybody who's watching the mainstream media and everybody else who is informed now know about how dangerous Pover is. And we're still working to get it totally banned here in Denmark.

[Adam Curry]

But this is just some good news from here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm really excited this morning. So Bovair B O V A E R is a feed additive which was developed by the Swiss Dutch company dsm. Firmenich. Dsm, of course, is the former chemical company which turned into a food company. They make food now. Not real food, but fake food with good mouthfeel. And this was developed to reduce climate change. From cow farts.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I remember this. Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's supposed to work by suppressing a specific enzyme in the cow's rumen.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it cuts down to methane, which.

[John C. Dvorak]

Produces methane during ingestion. This reduces methane emissions from dairy cows by 27 to 30%, in beef cattle by 45%.

[Adam Curry]

And just as a technical point, most of the cow farts and methane gas actually come from the cow burp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Well, it was promoted as a tool for climate mitigation. I believe this was forced on the Danish farmers who witnessed sudden collapses, high fevers, diarrhea, mastitis, utter inflammation, reduced milk production and refusal to eat deaths with some unverified claims of thousands of cows dying or being euthanized. And this seems to have finally broken through to the mainstream. And of course, people have been eating this beef and drinking this milk, which is probably not good for you. And so it appears now that the scandal is out. And I wonder if any bovar was used in any other countries. And I, of course, am particularly interested. It was used in the United States for. For this crazy climate mitigation.

[Adam Curry]

Gates was promoting this until he switched around to be not so much on the climate side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe he switched around right in time for this scandal to break.

[Adam Curry]

Well, good timing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's ridiculous. Can't believe it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's what happens when you fool around with nature.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. So be on the lookout for this stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does sound terrible.

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple of. I have the. The cam. The Camilla. Kamala. Kamala. Kamala Harris clip that she did, which is, I think, a classic as she did it on Jon Stewart's little podcast. And this is where she's going on about how great the Democrats are and what a fabulous part party it is and. And all the stars and. I think she sounds drunk.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Here we have so many stars in our party. There are so many stars. And let's not be afraid of them. You know, you talk about Mamdani. I mean, he's exciting. This group of people who otherwise don't think of themselves as being aligned or part or even seen by the system. You just look at the range of what we have. So many. Jasmine Crockett, who I just talked to recently. I mean, we have so many stars.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is sad. Whether she's drunk or not. Just the whole fact that she's talking about how many stars they have.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what she's getting at here, but I re. I changed the tempo of this a little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

No kidding. Oh, you changed it in your own.

[Adam Curry]

Not on that one, no. Here's the alt version.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

There are so many stars, and. And let's not be afraid of them. You know, you talk about Mumdani. I mean, he's exciting. This group of people who otherwise don't think of themselves as being aligned or part or even seen by the system. You just look at the range of what we have. So many. Jasmine Cross Mockett, who I just talked to recently. I mean, we have so many stars.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think you needed to slow it down to make the point.

[Adam Curry]

No, but I think she sounds more like the drunk at the bar with the old version.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. What was the artifacts that I didn't like?

[Adam Curry]

I know. I. You know, that was funny because those artifacts normally don't show up when I do what I did. And I kept wondering if, you know, it makes me wonder about the original record recording. Well, because it has. There was something embedded.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it has people that know what they're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

So a couple of people sent me this kind of fits in a little bit with that. I mean, that was obviously not an AI, And I was surprised because the people who sent me this, I don't know if they understood that this is actually an ad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I like people who don't notice it. Yeah, they think something's real and it's an ad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, this is a great supercut of college professors getting super angry with their students about them using ChatGPT for their papers and other schoolwork. See if you can spot the ad.

[Adam Curry]

I am done with the shortcuts. You think a robot robot can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your thinking for you? You think you can just paste the question in a Chat GPT and call it learning?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

This.

[Adam Curry]

This is what I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

I am sick of grading essays that sound like they were written by a.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Polite robot with a thesaurus. Stop using Chat GPT. It is lazy, it is dishonest, and it is a guaranteed way to fail this class.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can tell which of you use chat GPT. I'm gonna pass your resume to McGregor McDonald's. Oh, my God.

[Adam Curry]

I told you the only AI allowed.

[John C. Dvorak]

On this campus is Study Fetch. I caught half of you using ChatGPT.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

I told you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to use AI, use study fetch only you're all gonna work at McDonald's or worse. Deloitte. I Told you to use Lunch Break AI. Not just Chat GPT. But nobody listens. No Chat GPT, no bots, no tricks.

[Adam Curry]

It's plagiarism and it will ruin the your career.

[John C. Dvorak]

For everyone who used Chat GPT, you.

[Adam Curry]

All automatically fail the class.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unbelievable. I caught half of you using Chat GPT. As if I wouldn't know. Guys, I told you many times to use Lunch Break AI if you're going to use Chat GPT. All right, that, that's where everyone kind of should be figuring it out. Lunch Break AI.

[Adam Curry]

I heard it the first time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I heard it the second time. And it, it was so. It's like Lunch Break A. I. I never heard of this product. It's. You wouldn't. This is bull. It's obviously bull crap because you wouldn't throw it. Why would this guy say use anything? Exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Lunch Break.

[Adam Curry]

If he's against Chad GPT, why would he be all for Lunch Break or I, which is a product I never heard of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the product. Lunch Break AI right there on the, on the homepage. Think Chat GPT is safe. Think again. Paste your AI text and undetectable versions instantly.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so they want. So that this product wants you to take a Chat GPT ramble, which is what I would call it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And drop it into lunchbox or whatever the hell it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lunch break.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Lunch break. And drop it in there and out comes something that's a little more realistic. Is that what they're trying to.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, they have have a. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

I'd like to try that out. That's not gonna work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can scan your text for AI for free right there on the homepage.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'll do that later.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, Lunchbox. Lunchbox. I said it. Lunchbox is trusted by 300,000 world class teams, professionals and writers to scam People with 300,000.

[Adam Curry]

I've never heard of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's a lot more. Oh, you gotta. You gotta continue with Google to sign up. Yeah, I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

What are the features?

[Glenn Greenwald]

What's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see what the pricing is. Does it give me pricing?

[Adam Curry]

It should.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you. You gotta sign up to get the pricing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, just sign up. You got a Google account you don't care about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay, I'm doing it. Here we go. Oh, we can read your name in your profile. Okay, Lunch break. Here we we go. Detect and humanize. What's the pricing? Come on. You were going to show me pricing. Hey, Stephanie says Hey, let us know if you have any questions.

[Adam Curry]

Ask him the question. What's the price?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, what's the price? Okay, Stephanie, let's see. Stephanie has a picture. Let's see. Can I click. I can't click on Stephanie's picture. Chat with supports Stephanie. Well, now she's not. She's not answering me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. That's unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

We can do an audio message. Okay. Hey, Stephanie, it's John and Adam here. We're really interested in your lunchbox product. Could you please tell us how much it costs? Okay, I've sent it up. It's being uploaded. Let's listen to it.

[Adam Curry]

It's already a dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Stephanie, it's John and Adam. That's how our message starts. It's already a dog. I'm here. We're really interested in your lunchbox products. Could you please tell us how much it costs? It's still no answer. This lunchbox thing is no good. I want an immediate answer. She said, hey, let us know if you have any questions.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, you asked the question. They should have asked answered.

[John C. Dvorak]

She not. This is very bad.

[Adam Curry]

This stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

This stinks.

[Adam Curry]

Who comes up with these ideas?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, chat GPT funded nonsense is what it is.

[Nick Fuentes]

Chad.

[John C. Dvorak]

GPT. OpenAI. They're. They're.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, this is what I would do if I was Open AI. I'd create a bunch of bull crap products that suck.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good idea. Hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Let's see. Hold on a second. Who are the. The investors in Lunch Break AI. How. Let's see. That'd be funny. Be very funny if it was OpenAI. Let's see. Well, GROK is not familiar and is now looking to find.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so I guess I'm not the only one who never heard of the product. No. No grok amongst the 300,000 thousand, you know, users.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes. Oh, here it comes. Okay, we're reviewing. Oh, it seems likely to be bootstrapped or self funded. At this stage, that seems.

[Adam Curry]

In other words, we're not going to find out. It's good work of hiding it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That seems kind of unlikely. All right, there you go. That's all I got got there. Oh, yeah. I talked about this on Thursday and now it's a news report.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

YouTube TV has removed channels owned by Disney from its lineup. The removal comes after the two media giants failed to reach a new carriage agreement before yesterday's midnight deadline. The blackout leaves subscribers unable to watch content from Disney networks, including espn, abc, Disney Channel, fx, National Geographic, and Freeform. The two companies remain in talks, although neither indicated when customers can expect programming to resume.

[John C. Dvorak]

So where's the outrage? No outrage whatsoever. Nobody seems to care.

[Adam Curry]

I have. I care.

[John C. Dvorak]

And how about. How about Jimmy Kimmel?

[Adam Curry]

Is he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he lose his audience now?

[Adam Curry]

The networks are still. The local channels are still there, Right. But far as I know, ABC is still on the air. It's the. It's the. It's the cable stuff that's been taken off because I was looking at the thing the other day because it's football day. I'm thinking, oh, let's see what the games are. And then I say, wait a minute. And then actually I noticed it on Friday when I went to watch Pardon the Interruption, which is one of the shows I watched just to keep up with sports news. And so I said, what happened? And I kind of figured it out because I knew from some months ago that they were bitching about. About this. And so what did I do to get my. My fix? What'd you do? I went to YouTube.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Disney posts almost everything on YouTube.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Now playing YouTube and they take the commercials out.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's even better.

[Adam Curry]

It's even better.

[John C. Dvorak]

What a win.

[Adam Curry]

I found it on YouTube and the current show, Boom. I watched it. It was like 16 minutes. It was a lot shorter. And I got that out of the way, and I don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's excellent. That's a good life hack.

[Adam Curry]

It's a life hack, ladies and gentlemen. A life hack.

[John C. Dvorak]

NBC News has a new campaign for their news products. And the payoff is. Facts, clarity, calm. Since they're on. Since they're on screen, only I shall read those at the end of the spot. They're bantering back and forth. I hate to say it, but I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T trust much of anything. It's all bull. I want to be able to form my own opinions.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've seen people cut their families off.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Just tell the truth. They make everything seem extreme, seem scary.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wish we didn't cite so much.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

And looking for some facts first. Tell me the facts, the truth.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Report things from both eyes. We got clear facts.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe we can calm down a little.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Just talk to each other more.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what the news is supposed to do. Facts, clarity, calm. NBC News.

[Adam Curry]

That's terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gonna lose their asses on this. That's not what people want from news. They want yelling, break angs important things. You're gonna miss this. Get spun up. This is really good. You see this? Watch it. Eleven. That's very bad.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty Much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, very bad idea. Oh, by the way, Lunchbox right there on their website, it says back to back by Balaji s ex, Coinbase CTO, Slow Ventures, M13H Road Capital and more. I mean, how could. How could AI not find that? It's right there on their website.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a problem that's kind of wrong. It's like the basmati rice recipe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I say that's.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, come on, how hard can that be?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, wait, did she get back to me? No, she still hasn't gotten back to me.

[Adam Curry]

No, she sucks. She's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

What'd you say?

[Adam Curry]

I said she's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I uploaded that to her.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, she sucks. She's no good. Talking about sucky and no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mm.

[Adam Curry]

So I have a clip from Jennifer Witch, that woman of puddy. I'm sorry, Jennifer Witch Welch, that putty faced woman who's on I've had it podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, oh, the taco tits lady.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I guess that's what it is. Yeah, her and their doctor buddy that come to.

[John C. Dvorak]

From.

[Adam Curry]

From Oklahoma and they're big experts. This is the mo. I got two clips from her. She's just going on some hateful rant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, well, of course, you know me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so it's a hateful rant and it's like delusional. And. And it just confirms my substack column about mom Donnie and how he's. He's going to fool the Democrats into thinking that being, you know, going full tilt, radical socialist. And this was really funny. Consider. She's in from Oklahoma, going full tilt. I guess she's from Oklahoma. She spent some time in Hollywood, I guess, for a while. Just enough time to ruin her. So she's. And it's also. It looks like she's. According to. I was talking to Marty, our joke writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your joke writer.

[Adam Curry]

He says she may have had these fat pockets called buccal. Buccal fat or something underneath the chin, near the chin bone. Everyone has them on their face and it's become a trendy thing to take them out from. Surgically remove them and they give you more of a gaunt look and then it just makes your face collapse. And you see, these people should look this up. It's the. When somebody gets older and after these. And that Taylor, Joy Taylor, whatever that actress's name that did the Queen's Gambit, whatever her name is, she had it done to her and she looks like hell. She's so pretty. But anyway, here we go.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Do you think this or on thing is happening just in New York and you think people are waking up only in New York City. You're mistaken. Look at this clip of a wine mom. It's a no Kings march. Play the clip where his name was Charlie Kirkman. Yeah, him is horrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible. Charlie Kirk is horrible. Yes. I'm glad he's not here. You're glad he's dead? Yes.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Why would you say something like that, man?

[John C. Dvorak]

He was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Horrible person.

[Adam Curry]

You know what?

[John C. Dvorak]

I do the exact same thing. Would you be glad if I would die?

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Maybe. I'd have to think about it.

[Nick Fuentes]

Be ashamed of yourself.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Her friend just said she'd be happy if I died. So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after maga, period. Stop taking APAC money. Go on. And I'm sorry I took APAC money atonement tour. If you want to stay in power, stop missing out on these big rallies. Hakeem and Chuck should have been front and center introducing the next mayor of New York City. But no, they wouldn't show up because they're pussies. They're pussies that are beholden to the same corporations that Donald Trump, that helped Donald Trump get elected. And this is just an embarrassment. Embarrassment. Kudos to Bernie, to aoc, to Zoron and that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece of. There are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists, nobody wants that. Nobody wants you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this kind of proves my theory, does, doesn't it, that the AIPAC is the great unifier. You've got these nut jobs over here and you've got nut jobs over here and like, oh, everyone's controlled by AIPAC and Israel and Mossad. Well, there you go. You can go have your big AOC party with Bernie and Tucker and. And Fuentes is great. Yeah, you've got to. You've got to think, think. If I'm thinking the same as this lady, what is wrong with this picture?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's definitely something wrong. And here's the second half of this clip. She is. She is unhinged. This is terrible. There's. Sorry about the not safe for work stuff, but that's what these Democrats have fallen. You know this, by the way, before you play it, I noticed this and somebody pointed it out in one of the shows, I think it was on Gun Gutfeld. They point out that you've never had to do this before when a Democrat comes out and they're giving a speech or something. You never had Democrats and Republicans for that matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You never had to bleep it so much. Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. It's unbelievable how much these people are just cussing gratuitously.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. We want politicians to speak freely and look at what the benefit is. Look at what is happening in New York. And you dipshits are sitting on the sidelines doing. Running your social media like complete dorks. It's embarrassing. Get your shit together, Hakeem and Chuck, seriously, get your shit together because the Democratic Party is moving on. We are moving on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So was the Republican Party. It's amazing. And neither will go anywhere. It's not going to happen. It's a pipe dream. That's not how it works. Works. Mandami is an op. These women don't.

[Adam Curry]

From the letter we played, which is the guy? The woman who is Mom. The mom of the restaurant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, we know that he's an op.

[Adam Curry]

So we know he's an OP for probably. There's got to be some. It's a Bernie Sanders part of the party. It has to be Bernie Sanders behind us all. Well, because he's the one who init. The guy was. Took his. I don't know, was it going to assassinate somebody or other at the convention some years ago? Is a Bernie Sanders guy. Bernie Sanders is, I think is a little more. He instigates more than I think we know.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Bernie Sanders is the evil man behind the curtain, is he? Does he? Stroking his white cat?

[Adam Curry]

You know, sometimes you have to. To wonder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that is kind of blowing my mind now that I think about that. No, there's got to be more. It's got to be someone.

[Adam Curry]

No, Bernie Sanders is out front with mom, Donnie. This guy up in Maine is Bernie Sanders country. That's where Bernie would have some influence and have maybe an operative come in there and. And offering get. Or get him this job. Bernie May the guy that was responsible for getting Chunk and these other people out of the liberal Democrat, the Democrat socialist group, or they were called Justice Democrats sometime.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be fair. To be fair, he had. He had the young kids going for a while there before the Democrat Party screwed him. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

So maybe because they. Because the insiders of the Democrat Party know what's going on. They know about this because why wouldn't they? They got smart operatives. But who is it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is is it. Who is this group? Is this the dsa?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is dsa. It's definitely part of it. But I think Bernie's calling the shots. I think Bernie may be a bigger player than we think. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not expect to hear that.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't either. I just came to me. But now's the time we're going to play. Thank the people that came in with over 50 bucks. And Adam is going to read the names and thank everyone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baron latican in Houston, $100. Right away. Clevin McLaughlin with his boob donation from Concord and North Carolina. 8008. And he says boob donation. The Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. Mark Plager in Beaver Creek, Ohio. 7676. I have to read this. He says Adam was unfairly mocked when he claimed that the Japanese won the World Series. What he remembered was the World baseball classic in 2023, a multinational event that Japan did win by beating the United States. Aha. Lay off Dvorak, he says. Dane Dana Laughlin, Nevada. 7227. That's a very nice palindrome. Scott Clark, Cloudersport, Pennsylvania. 7096. Tech Guy tie in Somerville.

[Glenn Greenwald]

10.

[John C. Dvorak]

He sends 6950. That is 73, he says from NJ8X. Tech Guy ty safely outside of Memphis. Chris Forrestel in Missouri. 69. 50. These are 67 donations, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. All of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he says. I hope that you can explain 67. No, you can google it. You can chatgpt it. It's. It's there. It's available for you. Sir Fat Dad. 67. Sir Fat dad says six seven, dude. Sir Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's Missouri. 67. That was all the 67. 67.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Les Tarkowski.

[Adam Curry]

Another fabulous promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. Small Boob 6006. Michael Saliba in Clinton Township, Michigan. 5533 says promo code ITM for 25% off terror free [e-mail]. what is that? Maga Time watch.

[Adam Curry]

I think they're. I think they're sending us a couple of watches.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well then it's great, sir. By his grace, David Wicker in Jacksonville, Florida. 55. Ten double nickels on the dime. He says 55 is the new 67. No not so sure about that. Paige Holland, San Antonio. 55. Blake Neely in Hendersonville, Tennessee. 54. 30. John Bassano in Madison, Alabama. 52. 72. Milton Mize in Covington, Louisiana. 50. These are the 50s. Luke Rayner, 50. Forrester Birch from New York. 50. Matt Frazee in St. John's Florida. 50. Daniel LeBoy in Bath, Michigan. 50. We have Leslie Walker from Rosenberg, Oregon says thank you for your courage to speak truth. Love the show with $50 donation. And Michael Kemmerer in Snohomish, Washington, $50. These are our supporters. $50 and above. Again, thanks to our executive and associate executive producers who came in nicely for this episode. We really appreciate that you can support the show. It's all value for value. No levels, no gimmicks, no gitmo gizmos. Of course, it's all on the honor system. So when you reach knighthood, then we do have something nice for you, which is a ring. We actually have a dame coming up and a title change. And we, we do have lots of cool gimmicks, actually. But it's not obligatory. You just do whatever you want to do. No agenda. Donations.com. set up a recurring donation today. Any amount, any frequency. Noah donations dot com. Lucy Christine Gehring was born on October 28th. So we say happy birthday to her. And we also say happy birthday to Theodore James Gehring. Ah, yes, this is the twins who were born on October 28th. They got a beautiful picture. A little disappointing that their names are Lucy and Theodore and not Adam and John, but there you go. Congratulations. Good job, Mama. Marina strew and wishes her mama Lena, a very happy birthday Dame Dream girl Rose wishes her sexy and conversant husband, Sir Calcutrian Crazy Steve, a happy birthday. He celebrates in two days from now on the fourth. And we say happy birthday in advance to Mimi Smith Dvorak. She'll be celebrating on November 4th. And my note says she'll be turning 86 years old. Well, there you go. That's what it says. Happy birthday, everybody. From the best podcast in the universe. I have a feeling there's some kind of gag going on that I'm not privy to within the Dvorak family. I've met Mimi and she doesn't seem to be that old to me, but. And otherwise, I'd like to know her skin regiment. Congratulations, Sir Dixford. You become a baronet today. As you. You upped your ante there with your 222.6. I believe it not.

[Adam Curry]

Or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we appreciate that very much. And congratulations with Your addition. Then we have. Oh, that's. That's right. We have a. A late Secretary General. Which means they get to play the jingle again. All hail to the Secretary Generals. Cause they are the ones who need hailing. All hail to the secretary's generals on the note agenda.

[Nick Fuentes]

Sh.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we get to congratulate Nancy's son. Name withheld. He becomes a Secretary General today. Just let us know what name you want to put it put on the Secretary General certificate. And we'll keep it anonymous, but we'll send that off to you with the appropriate name. And we do have a Peace Prize for Daniela Pompeo. Thank you very much for your very wonderful donation, Daniela. $1,000 gets you that handsome. No agenda Peace. International Peace Prize, I might say. We have one dame, and that would be the same one. That would be Daniela Pompeo. So if you can get your blade out.

[Adam Curry]

You got the Dame blade?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Dame blade. Yes, indeed. Beautiful. Okay, Daniela Pompeo, step right up. Oh, man, what a beautiful day for you. You hereby are officially pronouncated as Dame Pompeo, Dame of the no Agenda Roundtable. Which means we do have the rent boys and Chardonnay on deck for you, if you prefer. We also have beers and blunts. We got geishas and sake. I don't know if you want that. Vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts. Ginger ale and gerbils. Breast milk and Pablo for you, maybe. I don't know for sure. We always have the mutton and mead on deck for anybody who is a knight or a dame here at the Round Table. Congratulations. Welcome, Dame Pompeo. You can head over to noagenderrings.com and take a look at your handsome signet ring. Please let us know what ring size to send off to you, and we'll get that into the mail as soon as possible, along with some wax to seal your important correspondence with. Along with, of course, a certificate of authenticity. The same goes for our Secretary Generals, Secretaries General and our International Peace Prize winner. Go to noagendarings.com I don't have any meetup reports, but I do have a couple of meetups that are taking place. One is underway now in Durango, Colorado, at the SCA Brewery. That's the anyone out there meetup also starting. Oh, underway as well. Dame Hoochie of the High Desert Mountains. Oh, I'm sorry that she's doing the Durango, Colorado.

[Adam Curry]

Durango.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said Durango. Oh, you wanted me to say something dumb like Durango I would never say that. The Indy Na Tri State short and long barrel safety meetup. I think they're shooting guns today. This is the top right hand corner of Indiana. That's Dame Maria and Sir Mark of the Greenwood. I'm looking forward to Damonette's report on that one. It'll be forthcoming next show day, November 8th. The Northern Wake post Halloween recovery hug a Thon at 6:00 clock at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. You guys need to send me a report. You have a lot of meetups that I don't think I ever get a report from you. Please send. Did I miss a report? By the way, I have a feeling I missed some reports today. Hold on one second. That would be quite horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe there's no meetup at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, there's definitely meetups. I think I.

[Adam Curry]

Money laundering operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Here's the tmi. Yeah, see I knew, I knew I missed one. Hold on a second. I'm going to. I'm going to play. Play this blind, okay? I have no idea how it's going to turn out. Let's see what happens. Morning.

[Nick Fuentes]

This is Chris with a TMI evac.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zone meetup question for the audience.

[Nick Fuentes]

Would you rather talk like al Sharpton or RFK Jr?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm 14 and I agree.

[Adam Curry]

Anal clock. Hi, this is Circumference and I have nothing witty to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Live from Reseda. Wait, wait, no. Harrisburg?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, in the morning. It's 7:37 and. And we're just here to tell you this is what democracy looks like in the morning. This is Serpent. Stop getting activated on discord and start getting on the offensive in the morning.

[Glenn Greenwald]

Jason with the great re tease.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we did not have a server in that report, but there we go. Hey, we got a couple of cool meetups coming up this month. Eagle, Idaho on the 8th. Oklahoma City on the 11th. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 15th. Albany, California. Get John out of the house on the 15th. Also Zurich, Switzerland on the 15th. We'll definitely looking forward to that meetup report with your server. Wilmington, California 22nd and Burlington, Kentucky also on the 22nd. Go to no AgendaMeetups.com this is where you get connection that gives you protection. These will be your first responders in any emergency. At the no agenda meetups go to noagendameetups.com if you can't find near one near you start one yourself. It's easy. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days you wanna be where you won't Be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm looking now, man, I'm. I'm over ISO'd here right now. You only have one, which of course is always gonna be some great AI thing you've put put together. So I will give you some choices. I have 1, 2, 3, 5 ISOs. Let's see if I can compete. Ooh, smooth. Not too bad.

[Adam Curry]

That a punchline. That would been good. Okay, how much did we pay for this bad boy?

[John C. Dvorak]

Mm, no.

[Nick Fuentes]

What do you want me to say? It's great.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't understand it.

[Dutch Election Commentator]

What do you want me to say?

[Nick Fuentes]

It's great.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's great.

[Adam Curry]

Still can't understand it. It's mumbling.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

Tremendous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's not too bad.

[Reporter/News Anchor]

That's tremendous.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the last one. That's good. That's good. That's nice.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. And with the aj of course. Of course. That's good. That's good. That's nice. All right. And you have one.

[Adam Curry]

I have one that. That the AJ one could beat. But you. So this will be up to you. Holy smoke. How many years can this guy on.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good. That's good. That's nice. Holy smoke.

[Adam Curry]

How many years can this go on?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. It's hard for me. It's a toss.

[Adam Curry]

I think you can go. This is one of. This is similar to the one that. The show's too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, you should save it for that purpose. To throw it in out of the blue. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

At the break. Because how many years can this go on? It's. It's downer a compared to Alex, I have to say. So you win this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, everybody. And now it is time, just in the nick of time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the chip with JCD and sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam, Alex is going to start asking for a commission. Okay. This is a booze. Booze recommendation for people who haven't had it. And I was talking to meme me about recommending tank 10 as a gin. People should buy if they're going to buy gin. Relating to. I was actually on the tasting panel. Professional tasting panel picked tank 10 as the gin of the year when it came out. The year it came out. This was in the 90s, so it's a while ago. And it may have been talked about before on the show, but the one thing we haven't discussed and the one. The recommended tip of the day, people's gender. Just get this, use it in cocktails or just drink it. It's terrific.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It is Tanqueray Rangpur lime. It's a flavored gin, which would be dynamite because it's lime flavored in a. In a martini, but it's Tanqueray Orangpur lime. You have one taste of this stuff and you'll fall in love with it. It is tremendous.

[John C. Dvorak]

So is. It is Tanqueray is no tanker gin.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Tanqueray gin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I'm not really a gin fan.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you'd like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. And do you. When, when do you drink this? This?

[Adam Curry]

All the time for breakfast, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. Find all these great [e-mail] all the time.

[Glenn Greenwald]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there you go. I'm not sure what's coming up next on the We've had some issues communicating with the the back office on what comes up next on the no Agenda stream.

[Adam Curry]

Be nice to know it'll be the DNS hour.

[John C. Dvorak]

The DNS hour. It's always DNS. Don't you know that by now? That does conclude our broadcast day. We're always excited to be here with you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for your boots on the ground, your contributions, your value for value. As always, end of show makes us in Q Tel MVP and Bonald Crabtree. And remember the link for the no agenda AI slop song stream. Slop stream is in the show notes. Make your own website. Let me know. We'll promote it. And that's it. That's it. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

Dan from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got abs in a six pack.

[Adam Curry]

Next.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go with sir seat sitter. We'll talk to you again on Thursday. Until then, adios mo fos who we hoover and such.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good lord. Crashing computers, escaping review back door in the abs watching over you pounding the loser started COD at 10, cracking that 13. You mess with the best, you die like the rest. If you step to this, your family will miss repping CIA don't call me a fed. Terrence display Ladies get us laid. Oh s they said privacy is dead we enter doors, wetted up some pores stop, drop a pin, blow your in we don't forgive s these colors don't bleed and neither do you. Crispy Pikachu Yankee doodle do scar face hellfire drone war hummus and a face mask. He didn't well make it. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Up and flip the table. Speaking now in cold face this song fourth man Snowden extractors like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hear me now in qta. Do you hear me now? I watch.

[Glenn Greenwald]

The examples you're citing us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Involve ground troops laying the groundwork for ground troops like ground ground truth. Groundbreaking Ground truth. Groundbreaking ground truth. Is that a prompter, Ms. Red? Yes, it's a total prompter, Ms. Red. Ground truth like ground bee. Like ground ground like ground skipper. Exactly. Exactly. The examples you're citing also involve ground troops like ground troops. Playground work for ground troops like ground beef Ground troops ground troops. Groundbreaking ground truth. Groundbreaking. Is that a prompt or misread? That's crazy. Haters gonna play day tricks.

[Adam Curry]

Here's his position matrix. Haters gonna play they tricks. Here's this position matrix. Oh, drawn one fist out the cap. Oh, I hit you with my double tap double tap. Heritage Foundation Obama kept the cheap project 2025 author vital same freaks Heritage Foundation Obama kept a cheap project 2025 on the vital same freaks Trump 2 lacks on deportation policy remember than Donnie B. Oh, wait. 2012 crucified the poll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secretly married to.

[Adam Curry]

A man oh mama.

[John C. Dvorak]

Heritage Foundation Obama 2025.

[Adam Curry]

Heritage Foundation Obama Project 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ain't.

[Adam Curry]

No Cracker better coming to my crib.

[John C. Dvorak]

No room for white in the White House Crib ain't no cracker better come into my crib no room for white.

[Adam Curry]

In the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

White in the.

[Glenn Greenwald]

White house cribbing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mofo dvorak.org/n a that's good. That's good, that's nice.