1815 - "Attunement"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1815: “Attunement”

Date: November 9, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

Episode 1815 of the No Agenda Show, titled "Attunement," finds Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak deconstructing a tumultuous week in U.S. political theater, centered on the ongoing government shutdown and its far-reaching effects on air travel, healthcare, digital surveillance, climate policy, and political optics. True to the show's style, Adam and John blend media deconstruction, irreverent humor, and audience engagement, digging through partisan narratives, media gaffes, and cultural fads—with frequent asides about generational divides and the economics of podcasting.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kristi Noem's Plane Fiasco and Media Spin

• Kicker: South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem apparently authorized buying planes without engines (Spirit Airlines’ airframes).
• John clarifies that buying engines/airframes separately isn’t weird in aviation, but the political controversy is about the legal ownership of the planes.
• Adam notes the story is covered sloppily, mainly as a Guardian hit piece [00:46-01:50].

2. Shutting Down the Skies: Government Shutdown Fallout

• Impact: 13,000 air traffic controllers & 50,000 TSA agents working unpaid; FAA cuts 10% of flights at major airports [02:18-03:11].
• Key Insight: U.S. air infrastructure can't handle an abrupt 10% reduction without massive ripple effects: "You can't get the crews to the next airport... It'll screw up everything" (John, [03:37]).
• Notable moment: Teterboro (private jet hub for the wealthy) included in cuts—“Maybe someone will call the Democrats and say, hey, dude, I can’t land my G5, baby” (John, [06:34]).

3. Political Blame Games and Media Narratives

• Katie Porter vs. Trump: Katie Porter blames Trump for the travel collapse; Adam/John emphasize Democrats (with many private jets) are also affected—and that the airspace reduction is for safety, not politics [04:38-07:16].
• Quote: “What is happening here is... air traffic controllers and TSA agents calling in sick... So they had to reduce IFR traffic.” (John, [05:58])
• Media Framing: Both hosts roast NPR and PBS for unnuanced, partisan coverage:
  • “These liars. The national... ‘1400 flights cancelled after Trump administration’s order!’ That’s the spin.” (John, [08:48])
  • Includes clips from FAA expert Randy Babbitt (Obama admin) explaining staffing is the reason for cuts, not just “Trump orders” [10:48-14:35].

4. U.S. Healthcare System is "Theft"

• Anecdotal outrage: Viral TikTok stories expose huge price disparities between paying cash vs. using insurance—$700 MRI cash vs. $5100 with insurance [17:43-19:50].
• Quote: “Insurance is such a ripoff. I don’t know how in the world this hospital is telling me I can’t self pay it. What does it matter?” (TikTok clip, [18:25])
• John and Adam both rail against insurance as a “bank scam” propped up by politicians and media. “Throughout my life, I have heard [insurance] is untouchable in Congress... It’s not healthcare. It’s theft.” (John, [15:15])
• Notable: Discussion of California apparently fining people for lacking insurance [16:31].

5. Trump's Proposed Healthcare Reforms & Congressional Stalemate

• Trump proposes redirecting subsidies from insurance companies directly to people—“Give Americans freedom of choice... stop sending money to insurance companies, hope it gets better” (Senator on Fox clip, [24:08-25:47]).
• Democrats, here via Hakeem Jeffries, argue Republicans only want to dismantle, not improve, Obamacare [26:51-28:40].
• Quote: “In Congress, nobody touches insurance... Pitchforks this time. Pitchforks and AR-15s. Seriously.” (John, [23:03])

6. Political Optics: Affordability and Thanksgiving Prices

• Trump blames “affordability crisis” and touts Walmart’s “cheaper Thanksgiving meal,” but gets tripped up when it’s revealed Walmart just reduced the portion size [34:22-38:33].
• Jen Psaki (now on TV) and the media pounce, with John speculating Walmart intentionally set Trump up for embarrassment.

7. Media Culture: The Bird Test TikTok & Boundary Violations

• Long, satirical segment mocking a viral "bird test" used to measure relationship attunement on TikTok [43:51–55:04].
• Playful reenactment and deconstruction: “I saw a bird today.” “Birds aren’t real!” (Clip, [52:31])
• Adam’s analysis: “All about addiction to the phone—not attunement.” John: “Boundary violation. Just put the phones down!”

8. COP30 & The "Climate Money Summit"

• Climate change narratives: COP30 launches in Brazil with a “climate disinformation” theme [55:58-58:19].
• Satirical play-by-play on e-methanol, cow vaccines (to cut methane), “hybrid threats,” and “solutions” like shooting wild birds [58:19-65:36].
• Adam: “Haven’t seen a cow in months, only thousands of cars… but cows are the problem?”

9. Digital Surveillance & Facial Recognition Creep

• ICE and Border Patrol now using facial recognition apps on the street [71:23-76:58].
• John: “Yes, I’m okay with tools for immigration. But I don’t want cops to just scan everyone.” [76:03]
• Segues into European digital ID proposals, fears of linking social media to official ID (French law, [81:46-83:46]).

10. Political Influence of Media Production

• Astute observation from a producer: New York politician Zoran Mamdani benefited from slick campaign videos produced with Hollywood-level gear (his mother is famous filmmaker Mira Nair)—media savvy matters [97:17-100:13].

11. Miscellaneous Topics

• The decline of print institutions: The Farmer’s Almanac closing after 2026 due to financial/market pressures [68:05-70:32].
• Tesla’s record pay package for Elon Musk: “Promotion genius,” “he’s not getting a nickel” (John/Adam, [126:11-130:59]).
• Discussion on tariffs: U.S. manufacturing vs. Chinese imports; skepticism about “affordability” promises [154:48-157:25].
• BBC scandal: Top resignations after Trump’s Jan 6 speech was doctored in Panorama program [159:42-162:05].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On airline chaos:
  “You can’t get the crews to the next airport so they can take the next… it'll screw up everything. Absolutely everything.” — John [03:37]

• On insurance scams:
  “Insurance is such a ripoff. I don’t know how in the world this hospital is telling me that I now can’t self pay it.” — TikTok Woman [18:25]
  “It’s not healthcare. It’s theft.” — John [21:16]

• On gun control:
  “Pitchforks and AR-15s. Seriously.” — John [23:03]

• On climate policy hype:
  “Now multiply that by the world’s billion cows and the number gets wild.” (Narrator)
  Adam: “Haven’t seen a cow in months, but thousands of cars go by!” [61:18]

• On TikTok "bird test":
  “Did you shoot it? It might have bird flu.” — John [45:29]
  “All about one thing—addiction to the phone.” — Adam [54:18]

• On digital ID:
  “I don’t want them living in a society where cops just come up and scan your face… I don’t want that.” — John [77:04]

• On Hollywood-style campaign tricks:
  “If you watch his videos, there are three and four-camera shoots... slick... it’s a scam.” — Adam [99:59]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:46] – Kristi Noem/Plane Purchase Story
• [02:16] – Airport Chaos Shutdown Clips
• [04:49] – Katie Porter on Shutdown; ATC Reports
• [08:52] – NPR on FAA Flight Cuts
• [10:48] – PBS, FAA’s Babbitt Explains Reasons
• [17:43] – TikTok MRI Healthcare Rant
• [24:08, 26:51] – Trump’s Healthcare Plan & Congress Stalemate
• [34:22, 38:33] – Affordability & Walmart Thanksgiving Trap
• [43:51, 50:17, 55:04] – The "Bird Test" on TikTok/Relationships
• [55:58, 65:36] – COP30/Climate Narratives Parody
• [71:23, 76:58] – Digital Surveillance/FACIAL Recognition
• [81:46, 83:46] – France's Digital ID Law & Debunking
• [97:17-100:13] – Hollywood Production in NY Politics
• [154:48-157:25] – Tariffs and the Cost of Re-shoring Manufacturing
• [159:42-162:05] – BBC Doctored Trump Clip Scandal

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Tone and Style Notes

• The show is irreverent, skeptical, and conversational, liberally mocking both political parties and mainstream media narratives.
• Frequent running gags (bird test, "psychological torture," insurance as “banks”).
• Hosts blend serious analysis with banter, generational asides, and crowd-sourced producer updates.

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For Listeners Unfamiliar with No Agenda

This episode exemplifies the No Agenda philosophy: “deconstructing media, one hit at a time,” with an emphasis on skepticism of received narratives and a call for individual critical thinking. John and Adam not only critique but often satirize current events, bringing audience-generated tips and insights directly into the flow, all while resisting easy ideological categorization.

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Additional End-of-Episode Segments

• Donor/Producer Acknowledgements: Community support and value-for-value recognition
• No Agenda Meetup Announcements
• End-of-Show Mixes: Audience musical remixes and AI-produced tracks, showcasing listener participation in the podcast's production ecosystem

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Summary prepared for audiences seeking a faithful, detailed overview of No Agenda Show #1815, preserving its unique blend of media critique, humor, and community engagement.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

That's not interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, November 9, 2025. This is your award winning Gimmonation Media Assassination Episode 1815. This is no Agenda, providing our public service and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where Kristi Noem's in trouble, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in. Why is she in trouble? What has she done?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, she bought jets without engines.

[John C. Dvorak]

Without engines? Oh, no. Do you have a clip of this incredibly interesting story?

[Adam Curry]

I don't have a clip because it just showed up this morning in the feed and it's an article on. I'll just read you the headline from the Guardian. DHS head reportedly just ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, just ahead.

[Adam Curry]

Reportedly authorized purchase of 10 engineless springs Spirit Airlines planes that the airline didn't own.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that sounds like something horribly bad.

[Adam Curry]

Sounds like. What kind of a story is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now it is. It is not. It is not abnormal to purchase an airframe and an engine separately, depending on what you're doing. It's not completely. I mean, they are separate items. They have separate time between overhaul and everything. So it's. It's. That's not crazy. It's not crazy.

[Adam Curry]

No. What's crazy is Spirit supposedly authored the purchase of the Spirit Airlines planes that Spirit Airline didn't own. How does that work?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Where did you find this? What. What news?

[Adam Curry]

Guardian. The Guardian. They're trying to make a smear out of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Guardian.

[Adam Curry]

The Guardians are worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. You can't fly them anyway. Anyway. We're shutting down, baby. We're shutting down everything. We're shutting it. Shutting it down. This is not good. In fact, this. This really is kind of a problem. You think the shutdown here I got. I've had. This is a little.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it is if you want to travel, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a little update.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Chaos in US Airports with delayed flights and endless queues at security control. The government shutdown has not just left severe shortages, but some 13,000 air traffic controllers and 50,000 security. Security agents working unpaid. The Federal Aviation Administration decided to stabilize the situation by cutting 10% of air traffic across 40 airports, which could further affect travelers. Airlines have 36 hours to slash flights after the US transportation secretary announced cuts to transport hubs across 24 states. Among them are the busiest airports like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas.

[John C. Dvorak]

There will Be frustration. We are working with the airlines, they're going to work with passengers. But in the end, our sole role is to make sure that we keep this airspace as safe as possible.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The FAA's reduction plan, which excludes international flights, will begin at a 4% cut on Friday before escalating to a 10% cut next week. While airlines like Delta Air and American Airlines moved to reassure panicked passengers by offering refunds, the White House took a different approach. President Trump stated on Thursday that discussed despite the reduced air traffic, it is still safe for Americans to fly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so if they actually get to next Friday with 10%, that will be chaos. And the main reason is our system doesn't allow for that type of reduction. You can't get the cruise to the next airport so they can take the next. It'll screw up everything. Absolutely everything. Which is interesting because the way that your gal Katie Porter there in California, because this is all. This is all politics, of course, and we'll get into it. Katie Porter, who I guess she's no longer in the running. Did she cancel herself out of becoming governor of California? I thought you said that some other person was the lead now that she had screwed it up.

[Adam Curry]

I've never said anything of the sort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's odd.

[Adam Curry]

And the election's not till next year, so it's just, you know, you got plenty of. Plenty of Runway here.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see what you did there. You should work at msnbc. It's great. So here is Katie Porter, either grossly misunderstanding what's going on, or perhaps lying.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Here's a question for Donald Trump as he forces airlines to cancel thousands and thousands of flights.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so I don't think the president is forcing any airlines.

[Adam Curry]

No, the president hasn't canceled, Jack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's keep it going.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Why is he starting first with the commercial planes that we all use to go visit our families or get where we need to for work? Every day, thousands of private jets take off, carrying CEOs, billionaires, and the 1%, and they take up the work of the air traffic control system, too. Wouldn't it make more sense to cancel the planes that carry the fewest passengers first? It's just another example of who Donald Trump really cares about, and it isn't us.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, first of all, of all, the people I know who own private jets or fly private, a lot of them are Democrats.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe the majority, I would guess the majority. Everyone I know who has a private plane or. Well, actually, they tend to not have them anymore. They're in pools.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Yes. Of Course, but who fly privately?

[Adam Curry]

Democrats. Rich Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what is happening here is they are because of air traffic controllers and TSA agents calling in sick. And I can't blame them. And in order to keep the airspace safe, they had to reduce IFR traffic. So that's instrument traffic to airports around the country. What they actually did in the first pool, we've got Newark, jfk, we've got Dallas, Fort Worth, we've got Los Angeles.

[Adam Curry]

San Francisco, Oakland, Seattle, Portland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody, everybody. But they also did that to Teterboro. And I thought that was a good move because Teterboro is the private plane airport for the tri state area, mainly for New York, that is probably one of the busiest for jet travel of billionaires. So, you know, I think everyone kind of gets affected equally. And I thought that was a good one to put Tito Burrow into the mix because maybe, maybe someone would call the Democrats and say, hey, dude, I can't land my G5, baby. Stop this. Knock it off. So she's just a liar. She's a horrible person. She's not a good person.

[Adam Curry]

No. And she looks like a horrible person. The more she puts herself out there, like in that tweet, the less likely she loses votes. She's making a huge mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, as I told you, she's not going to be the governor. I already told you that. Remember? Told you.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't remember you telling me that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't tell you that. So now we have a new development. This. Just to reiterate the situation.

[Adam Curry]

Before you leave that topic, let's go to the. I have some ATC reports.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't. Yes, you do. I actually didn't even look at your list today.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hey, you know what? Can I just say something right off the bat? You sound grumpy today. You sound grumpy today.

[Adam Curry]

Well, yeah, because you immediately passed over my clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you sounded grumpy before you even said hit it. I know you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. You can go ahead and try your psychological torture, which all the women have observed over the years and they've noticed.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gaslighting him again. There you go, ladies.

[Adam Curry]

The logical torture. That's what I'm calling it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Psychological tripiti. Okay, Yes, I see.

[Adam Curry]

I have two. Actually, I have a three.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have three clips. You have three.

[Adam Curry]

I do. The simple one is from npr and then there's a two parter from pbs, all, you know, all slanted. Oh, good, because it's Trump's fault and it's just. I don't Know, it's hard to, to do these clips with these, with these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Outlets, with these liars. Yeah. The national.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Yes, more 1400 flights around the country have been canceled after the Trump administration ordered airports to cut flights as the FAA deals with a shortage of air traffic controllers who are working without pay. The FAA says the flights at 40 airports will be cut 10% on a phase in basis as the government shutdown now on its 39th day continues. Nick Delucanal has more from the Charlotte Douglas Airport in Charlotte.

[John C. Dvorak]

Inside the Charlotte terminal here, Jessica Lamuccio and her one year old daughter are trying to rebook after their flight to Manchester, New Hampshire was cancelled, leaving them scrambling to get to a family wedding.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

It just makes it more complicated. Right. Especially with her just to figure out like what's our plan? How long do we stay here? How long do you wait it out? If you book again, is it gonna get canceled again?

[John C. Dvorak]

The Charlotte airport says this morning's ground stop, which lasted about an hour, was caused by staffing issues in the air traffic control tower. Yeah, well, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

I like the little Nat pop of the baby. Yeah, there's that in there. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. There's a lot of. Wait until we get to the, to the Thanksgiving turkey. Nat pops is going crazy. Crazy.

[Adam Curry]

My favorite, my favorite one, which I don't have, which is on a local news story, was these people from Australia trying to get back to Australia. So they're in San Francisco and their flight is leaving tonight, today or tomorrow to Australia, but it's in Los Angeles and the connecting flight has been canceled.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the problem. Well, hop in the car, drive fast.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, it depends on the date when you can actually make it to LA from San Francisco in a rental and draw and do a drop off at the airport.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that you could probably do that within eight hours.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was my, that's my suggestion.

[Adam Curry]

But they'd be on the wrong side of the road.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here we go. This is the PBS report.

[John C. Dvorak]

More, more public media. I can't wait to hear it. On the second day of reduced flights at 40 airports, the aviation data company Cirium said nearly 4% of flights were canceled and about 2 1/2% have been canceled for tomorrow. Randy Babbitt was FAA administrator in the Obama administration. Mr. Babbitt, is this working? Are reduced flights reduced delay.

[Adam Curry]

Stop a second. So they bring, you know, they, you know how they book people so they get, what can we, we got to get somebody in here that maybe can slam the Trump Administration just get Obama, but it didn't work out because the Obama guy's pretty reasonable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Normal guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Randy Babbitt was FAA administrator in the Obama administration. Mr. Babbitt, is this working? Are reduced flights reducing delays? No, they're reducing the flights for the primary purpose and a good purpose of making the system safe. They're suffering a loss of controllers at the various stations. They're not interchangeable. And to ensure the system operates safely, you just have to reduce traffic down to the level of number of controllers you can put up. Is this sustainable? No, it's. It's actually going to continue to accelerate in the wrong direction. The longer we ask people to work without a paycheck, the longer we ask people to work 10, 12, 14 hour shifts, you know, you just can't sustain that. People are calling in sick. They're tired. It's an intense job. The controllers are well trained, and there's a lot of stress in that job, and you can't keep doing it. You know, we have the staffing levels where they were for a good reason, and we're not achieving that level of controllers on site and on their stations. I want to go back to the point you Boyd, made about controllers not being interchangeable. It's not that you can sort of see how many controllers are working nationwide. It depends on each airport, each air traffic control center. Oh, absolutely. There's a big difference between being an enroute controller or a tower controller or an approach control person. Those are different jobs, and they're not interchangeable. Someone who's working en route cannot go the next morning and be in the Richmond tower. You know, it takes months of training to make those transitions. That was a good, good comment from a troll in the troll room. Like the. The answer should be from the US Officials, like the president. And who's our boy there at the faa? What's his name?

[Adam Curry]

Duffy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Duffy, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Department transportation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Should say, well, this is a preview of what socialism is like. Just say that. Whether it's true or not. Just say it.

[Adam Curry]

Just say it. Yeah, that's a good bit. Okay, troll guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any of them flying anyway? Well, this is a preview of socialism. So your socialist representatives are making this happen. So this is what's. This is what New York can look forward to. No flights.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, part two of this kind of little tidbit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Controllers. Are you talking about how they're sort of being stressed now? No pay, many of them having to call out to work other jobs to get pay. They were already stressed Even before this began, the system was already stressed, wasn't it? Yes, we're still recovering post Covid. You know, they let like a lot of companies did, they let people go because the system was only operating at 30% at the peak of COVID and. But you don't just call them back. A lot of them are early retired. And second, if you have to hire them, it takes several years to train a controller to be fully up to speed and be able to go into the different control positions. Former FAA administrator Randy Babbitt, thank you very much. Oh, thank you. Good luck. I like his voice, right?

[Adam Curry]

He's got a great voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

He should do a podcast. That would be a great follow up career.

[Adam Curry]

He should. He's got a better voice than I do. So they never mentioned. Of course they. Yeah, the traffic was way down during COVID but they also laid people off who refused to get the vax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, why would they do that? Now that doesn't behoove anybody.

[Adam Curry]

Do you think they would mention that? Because it's a fact. There's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I needed this guy. Where's my guy? Here.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good lord.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's my guy. He's that guy.

[Adam Curry]

You know, you're doing that psy constantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now because it is kind of exasperating. And the thing is it's always a healthcare. No, this is about insurance companies who are basically banks. And all I know is that throughout my life I have heard that in Congress you just. No one discusses health. No one discusses insurance, period. You don't mess with the insurance companies.

[Adam Curry]

It's out of control. We used to be tough on insurance. It was a point of fact in like states like California, it has an insurance commissioner. They're supposed, they crack down on, you know, illegal. Oh, let's just raise it because we can. Oh, there's nobody. There's no competition. Let's just gouge everybody. And too bad. If they don't like to pay it, what are they going to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is interesting that you bring up California specifically because I got an. I think you got an email too this morning from one of our producers who emailed. I got it from Jay from the back office and he had called the crowd health outfit that we've been talking about. First of all, he says it was amazing. I got someone with an American accent calling me back. He was blown away by that.

[Adam Curry]

That would be a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's like, whoa, what just happened? He says it turns out. Well, he says it's. He says, I can't do that. Well, he can, but I said I can't do it in California because. And I don't know if this is true, apparently it's illegal in California to be without health care.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that to be true or not.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that you have to pay a $900 annual fine if you don't have health care in California.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is what our producer said. And apparently that's what.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't get the note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, you were copying.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I got to. I probably got the note, but I didn't read it this morning. I was doing something.

[John C. Dvorak]

I understand. It's.

[Adam Curry]

I'll look into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not psychologically torturing you. I'm just.

[Adam Curry]

You're psychologically trying to torture me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just reading a note.

[Adam Curry]

Since we're talking along these lines, you have to play this clip. This is a woman. And by the way, there's tons of these clips with different kinds of stories. And I'm going to start collecting them because I like them. And it's disgusting. It's a disgusting. This is the anecdote clip. This is. These are disgusting stories. And you talked about it. I've talked about it. We all talk about it, but it's still disgusting.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So I don't normally jump on that insurance. Health insurance is a scam, but today it is absolutely a scam, and I swear it's fraud. I need an MRI on my back because I hurt my back. My clinic sent it over to a hospital. They ran it through my insurance. They called me and said, hey, your portion of it that you're gonna have to pay after insurance is $5,100 for this MRI. So I'm like, wow, okay. I was like, you know, before we do that, like, just wait, you know, because I'm like, $5,100 just just seems wild. I called another place who was also waiting for my insurance to go through to see how much it was going to be. My insurance was still on hold with them, but I asked them, hey, if I just cash pay this, how much is it going to cost for this MRI?

[John C. Dvorak]

35.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

And they're like, well, if you just want to cash pay it, not run anything through insurance, it's $700. Sounds a lot better than $5,100. So I called the original hospital back and said, hey, if I don't run this through insurance, what is the cost if I just decide to self pay it since I know the other place is $700? The lady's like, I'll rerun it under you being self pay and I'll call you back with your total. So a few minutes go by, the lady calls me back and she goes hey, I talked to my supervisor, since you have insurance we are not going to let you self pay it. So we won't give you that number. How is that not a scam? Isn't it my choice if I want to self self pay something versus running it through my insurance? How I should get to decide that, not you. But they're like nope, since you have insurance and you've already done it that way, we are not going to allow you to self pay it. And I think that's because they probably were going to give me a self pay price kind of like the other place, maybe a 700 bucks, maybe up to 1300. Still way less than $5100 that it was going to make me pay. And I just think like what if you know somebody wouldn't like what if I wouldn't have called around, I would have stuck with this fifty one hundred dollar bill. Insurance is such a ripoff. I don't know how in the world this hospital is telling me that I now can't self pay it. What does it matter? I'm going to go to the other place but I don't know how this hospital is allowed to. Now tell me, hey, yeah, you can't self pay something if you have already had us run it through your insurance. I haven't even had it yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. And I'll remind all of the socialists out there that having lived under the fabulous, fantastic five pound a visit national health care system in the United Kingdom. The choice was. And Christina needed an MRI on her knee because it popped out a couple times. The choice was of course, of course, the national healthcare system, the NHS, it's our pride and joy. In 18 months you can get your MRI and I call up the MRI place and I say hey, can I just come to you and pay directly? Well of course I go there, there's no one there. No one, no one. I pay cash. Good to go. It's.

[Adam Curry]

And so there was no one there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one was there. I think that while we were doing the show, I believe we may have discussed.

[Adam Curry]

I vaguely remember this story, you've told it at least twice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'll have to look it up.

[Adam Curry]

At Bingit IO but the point is no one was there, no one was part of it. In other words. Yeah, whatever, you know. So they put you on the 18 month waiting list on purpose to torture you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Talk about torture. Psychological torture. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's more psychological in this case. You got a bad knee, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the whole point is that insurance companies, they're just banks, right? I mean, is it.

[Adam Curry]

Or the question about this last anecdote is the insurance company plus her $5100. How much money is the hospital getting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're getting $700. They're getting $700. The insurance company takes the rest. This is why they all want to go outside of the system. This is why you can go to any doctor, any healthcare provider and say, what's your deal for cash? And they will say, oh, you'll see them go, oh, thank you. We don't have to do all those forms. This is great. Yeah. Here's your price. Because they don't want. They have to fight. They have to fight with the insurance company to get their measly 700 bucks, which is what it was, in place. It's theft. And the media branding it as healthcare. As healthcare and politicians healthcare. Well, health care. It's not health care. It's theft. And the whole shutdown. And this is what, this is, the irksome part is while they keep talking about health care, healthcare, is this, was this, was this subsidy for the inch for the insurance company, slash financial institutions. Let's call it that. Warren Buffett, by the way. Can we just say Warren Buffett, isn't he the big insurance guy?

[Adam Curry]

He's got a lot of insurance companies, although he's going, he's going heavily. He's moving his, his finances heavily into cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but by the way, Warren Buffett, Democrat, private jet.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Omaha, the oracle of Omaha. But the whole, the whole point is it's, it's big finance. Big finance that is in this game. And the politicians. And I'm sure that the payoff, if we really go and look and if we go to opensecrets.org.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's all these Democrats are loaded to the gills with financing from these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not just the Democrats, Republicans.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, Republicans too, obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the reason. And this is why the Republicans, they don't want to. Then you'll disagree with me. They don't want to use the nuclear option and end the filibuster to open up the country again because they will get penalized by their backers as well. So they, they don't want to do it. I don't, I don't want to lose my money, you know, for my reelection campaign, my million dollars to get me on the committee. The whole thing that People should. I think we need pitchforks this time. Pitchforks. Pitchforks and AR15s. Seriously. And so President Trump, he sees this. He's already tried to convince the Republicans. Hey, just do it. You'll be a hero. If you got. No, no, no, no. You only vote yes. And they would be heroes. No, no. You can't get them to do that either. So the president, he just goes, he's starting his own nuclear option campaign. As he posted today on Truth Social.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

President Trump is out with a proposal on healthcare, would eliminate Obamacare and send money directly to people to buy their own health care. My question for you, Senator, do you support President Trump's plan to eliminate Obamacare and send money directly to the people?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, his statement wasn't to eliminate Obamac. Statement was very clear. It was, why are we sending money to insurance companies right now? The Democrat proposal they put out with Chuck Schumer put out this past week was, let's continue to send billions of dollars to insurance companies and hope insurance companies will bring down premiums. That's not worked. That's not worked for years. Now. You go back to Obamacare, when it was first released, it was, it's going to bring down rates 25%. Can anyone tell me that their rates have gone down 25% anywhere in this? And so the president's proposal was pretty straightforward. Stop sending money just to insurance companies. Hope it gets better. Give Americans freedom of choice. If we're going to allow subsidies to get out there, get them to people, not to insurance companies.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

You're saying something really interesting. I want to make sure I understand.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa. She said he's not saying anything. This is like, this is as bad as. That's a great question.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're saying something interesting there.

[Adam Curry]

He said nothing interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to come up with a better interlude. That's not interesting.

[Adam Curry]

That's not interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or give Americans freedom of choice. If we're going to allow subsidies to get out there, get them to people, not to insurance companies.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

You're saying something really interesting. I want to make sure I understand. Is the Republican proposal not to repeal Obamacare, which has been the long held position.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Right now, Obamacare is health care in America. What Democrats did 15 years ago was they radically changed all health care in America. They moved all physicians under hospitals. They changed all the reimbursement programs. They shifted everything in. So it is health care in America. So the challenge is what we have now has to be fixed. Oh, yeah. It was only Democrats. Okay. Sure. It was only Democrats. You're all in on it. Hillary Clinton tried this the first time around. The Clinton administration, they all this, this theft game was always the plan, always. And it's just so much money. And what do you think it is? Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

[Adam Curry]

It's got all goes right into the.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the insurance companies, finance companies, Warren Buffett, what's this, what's his stock price at. What's his stock price? $147,000 a share, something like that. Right, Yeah, I know quite that I know. And who's there? Oh, all the, all the rich people. Oh, he's the oracle. Sure. She also talked to Hakeem Jeffries about.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

This leader Jeffries, President Trump floated what he believes is a potential solution to this online. Let me read it to you. He says, quote, I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the hundreds of billions of dollars currently being sent to money sucking insurance companies in order to save the bad health care provided by Obamacare is sent directly to the people so that they can purchase their own much better healthcare. Would you ever support giving subsidies directly.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the American people instead of Obamacare? Yes, I think that's an interesting question. We have a broken health care system, but the Affordable Care act has been part of actually providing health insurance to tens of millions of Americans. Of course there's always opportunity to improve current policy that exists, but Republicans aren't operating in good faith as it relates to doing anything to actually make healthcare more affordable. And we've seen that repeatedly over the last several weeks. Now, if Donald Trump is changing his tune and is actually willing to sit down and negotiate a bipartisan path forward, of course we are interested in doing that. We've been making that point for the last several weeks.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

What do you make of that proposal online though? Does it sound like he's interested in doing that?

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, it's hard to take these online things seriously. There's no actual legislation, there's no text, there's no policy documents to be able to review. If that exists, if that somehow materializes and manifests itself in the next day or so, we look forward to reviewing it in good faith. Doesn't see it seems like parties are rather far apart at this point. It doesn't seem like anyone's getting any closer, you know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, one side is, I mean the, the Republicans want to open the government, the Democrats don't. And they think they have and they call it leverage and they think they've got the Republicans over a barrel and they think they can get the money back to their insurance Buddies because the insurance buddies have all paid the way, you know, for most of these Democrats to get in office and stay in office, as you just said. And so they're doing the best they can to get this over. And then they got this latest with one of these guys, I forgot which one of the congressmen said, well now that we've won in the blue states, we won our governorships, now we have to make sure that people don't think we're going to knuckle under to the Republicans. We're tough guys now. So being tough guys, we gotta stay the course. So I don't know, I just have to.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I just wanna say again, I mean you say it's a non start, never gonna happen. But Republicans also have a one second solution to this. I mean just say, okay, we're just done with the, with the filibuster rule and then we open it back up. Republicans can also do it. It's all political. They think that bad because. Well then the Democrats can use it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well to get the filibust or across the line, they're still going to have to get the Democrats because It's still that 60 votes.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's not true. I looked this up.

[Adam Curry]

No, it is true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

I believe it is true. Absolutely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I looked it up. I looked it up. And that the nuclear option. The nuclear option is a procedural workaround to bypass the 2/3 cloture requirement and change the rules with a lower threshold. It involves raising a point of order and if the presiding officer rules against it, appealing that ruling, overriding the President's officer requires only a simple majority. That's the nuclear option as I understand it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I mean it's possible that what you read there is exactly right and that would do the trick. But it's not my understanding and the way they present it, at least the way I heard it, it is that you still need the 60 votes and Democrats will vote for it knowing that it's going to benefit them in the end. And they can still vote against the final proposal and look like the good guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, and they have actually used this method in the past to eliminate certain parts of filibuster in 2013 for most executive and judicial nominations and in 20 that was the Democrats and in 2017 to expand, to extend and still in.

[Adam Curry]

Play by the way, for the, for those processes that still exists.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they put it in 2013, 2017, whatever the dates were you had. Yeah, that is still in play. You still don't need 60 votes. Yes. To pass the court guide.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that's what I mean. So they use the same.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they use it, but. Yeah, but once it went in play, it stayed in play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course it does. That's the point. So it's all just. It's a power game. No matter which way you look at. It's a power game.

[Adam Curry]

It's not what the people are. Well, I know is. It's hurting the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. It's definitely hurting the show. No, no doubt. And then. And I think President Trump.

[Adam Curry]

We have a lot of government workers that can't afford to donate to the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

And we have a lot of people that are, you know, affected by the downturn in the government work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I know. Buckle down, bear down on it, brother. Tighten the belt. No agenda shows in trouble with every, with every trouble. But everybody else, not good. No, I understand. Hence your mood this morning. I get you. I gotcha. The president, though, I think is making a mistake. Now, it was really the Republicans running for governor and for different state positions who all ran on woke and the border and did not run on the president's economic plan, which is pretty clear if you see what he's doing, bringing back manufacturing, doing deals, getting investments in. But they didn't. They ran on. Yeah, those guys have trannies and yeah, they really, really.

[Adam Curry]

That was, that works on the national level.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was a political mistake because right at the moment, when people are starting feel it, they're sending the wrong message. Democrats go, we'll give it to you. It's no problem. We'll freeze the rents, free buses, government, grocery stores. So now the president has an affordability problem. Affordability. And the Democrat media, well, the Democrat influenced and occupied media mainstream, they are using it to an extreme. So when I hear this little super cut of the president and he knows it, too, it's no good if we.

[Adam Curry]

Do a great job and you don't talk about it. And I don't think they talk about it enough. You know, they have this new word called affordability, and they don't talk about it enough. The reason I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump. So I don't want to hear about the affordability because right now we're much less. It was a con job. Affordability, they call it. But we just lost an election they said, based on affordability. You know, I saw that they kept talking about affordability. So we talk about affordability. We should be talking about it because they talk about affordability. The affordability is much better with the Republicans. We are the ones that have done great on affordability. So we are the victors on affordability.

[John C. Dvorak]

So no one cares when the President says that. They're looking at their wallet and going, no, something's wrong. It's not affordable. And NBC, MSNBC, when are they going to be MS? Now, I can't come soon enough.

[Adam Curry]

November 15th.

[John C. Dvorak]

They set a trap. They set a trap for him and he walked right into it. Here's the setup.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I haven't heard that. You're telling me. Who are you with? Who you with?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

NBC News, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Fake news. You're fake news. What a, What a problem. NBC's gone down the tubes along with most of the rest of them. Well, they feel better about our country right now. Other than the shutdown, obviously, which is caused by the Democrats. Could be ended by the Democrats in two minutes. They feel much better. We have more jobs. We just set a record on jobs. You do know that we have more investment in our country than any country in history. We're over $18 trillion as of this moment. And we're going to be maybe at 20 or 21 trillion by the time I finish up my first year. And there's been no country China, no country country in the world that's done anywhere even close to that number. Your friend Biden as an example, in four years was less than a trillion. We'll be at 21 trillion in one year. So there's no country that was even close to that. And our country was a laughingstock all over the world. We have more jobs, we have more potential than any other country. And frankly, we're the hottest country right now. Victor said to me before, we're the hottest country anywhere in the world. Think of it, we'll have 20, $21 trillion invested. We have auto plants pouring back in. We have AI pouring back in. We're leading China in AI by a lot. We are leading everybody in every category. There's no category that we're in second place. So I just heard this yesterday that Walmart said that The Thanksgiving was 25 more expensive, 25% more expensive under Biden. That's a big, to me, that's a, that's a big number because Walmart's respected. I mean, Walmart is Walmart. And you know, they're giving you prices. So that would mean that the whole series of pricing and costs, you know, the groceries and everything else, it was a con job.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was A con job.

[Adam Curry]

Affordability, they call it was a con job by the Democrats. The Democrats are good at a few things. Cheating on elections and conning people with facts that aren't true.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he, he walks right into the Walmart trap. He should have known that Walmart is a bunch of crazy Democrats who are setting him up. Because if you listen to the full question, it was about Walmart and he goes off. And it's all true, all this investment, of course, but it's not, not going into people's pockets for Thanksgiving. Here's the setup paid off in this case by Jen Psaki, since you brought.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Up the Walmart Thanksgiving meal and it is cheaper, but it also contains less.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I haven't heard that. You're telling me, who are you with? Who? You are fake news. NBC News. You fake news.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

That's right. The Walmart Thanksgiving meal that Trump has been touting as proved positive that he has made the country more affordable is cheaper this year because it has less stuff. Like a lot less stuff. I mean, for days now, Trump has been pushing the fact that the prepackaged Walmart Thanksgiving dinner is 25% cheaper than it was last year. But he has been conveniently ignoring the fact that this year's Walmart Thanksgiving package is missing a bunch of items it had last year, like onions, celery, sweet potatoes, chicken broth, seasoning, muffin mix, marshmallows, whipped topping and pecan pies. I mean, those are all pretty key, delicious parts of Thanksgiving.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The meal also downgraded certain items, like swapping Hawaiian rolls for cheaper dinner rolls. So, yeah, surprise, surprise. His claim is completely misleading, but he was pushing this whole Thanksgiving meal narrative for a reason. I mean, since Democrats swept Tuesday's election, the right has all of a sudden woken up to America's affordability crisis.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this was a trap set by Walmart. They would. Mr. President, it's great. Great. It's great. It's 25% cheaper and people are going to get their packages and they'll open up and like, what is this? I'm like Tiny Tim here. I think it was a purposeful trap. She. I mean, you telling me that Jen Psaki's team went to Walmart? Oh, let's go investigate the package. Oh, there's no, I'm not going to.

[Adam Curry]

Say that you're wrong about that, but I don't think the impact is the way you're making it out. Nobody listens. The Jen Psaki, she's got zero ratings.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is just, I'm just this is, I said this is an example of the NBC payoff. I think you're going to see this because he's been saying this the whole for a week. Oh, it's cheaper, it's cheaper. I think they set him up. You watch is, you're going to have Donald, NBC Nightly News. Oh, the Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

If it shows up on Nightly News, then I, then I'm totally agree.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Yeah, I think it was, I think it was a setup. I think he, he was, he was too prideful. He wasn't, he wasn't, it wasn't on watch.

[Adam Curry]

He's missed a lot of things. He's busy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he is busy. That's true. And of course we got to sneak in some other things here. But I think this is an opportunity. This is abc.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I will say that I'm going back on this, on what you said because the question was about Walmart specifically to trigger the Walmart reaction. And then Psaki follows up. But again, it's small potatoes because it's like nobody listens to j. Nobody watches her show or her.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I don't. This is just happening. I think we.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I'm just saying it's just that they could have, could have been better like if it was rolled out by and you know, if they skip the sake step, let's skip the sock, it would have been better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, ABC's on it, but they have a different bent this morning.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

With less than three weeks until Thanksgiving, new concern that turkey and egg prices could ris once again.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's because nat pop of the week, ladies and gentlemen earned that turkey and.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Egg prices could rise once again. That's because bird flu cases are rising again as wild birds head south.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Within the last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bird flu cases are rising.

[Adam Curry]

This is news to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, they're tying it into Walmart. Don't worry.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

That's because bird flu cases are rising again as more wild birds head south. Within the Last month, nearly 70 poultry flocks nationW have been hit with the virus, killing more than three and a half million turkeys, chicken and ducks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Shouldn't we just open up shooting at wild birds then? Isn't that the solution? Shouldn't we all just be in our backyards and just shooting any birds that go over? Solve, solve the problem. I mean, there's enough guns. Shoot. All birds are really the carrier for.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The avian influenza virus. Especially migratory waterfowl experts fear the government shutdown and staff cuts at the CDC and Agriculture Department could weaken the federal response. One virologist telling npr, a network of researchers used to be in constant contact with federal agencies to monitor cases. But she says that communication has been scaled back, saying, we're not in a great position for monitoring things. I'm finding myself in a very uncomfortable place. The number of turkeys in the US has already dropped to its lowest size in nearly 40 years with limited supply. Wholesale turkey prices are up 75% in the last year. Retail prices up about about 25%. Egg prices may also suffer. But there are Thanksgiving deals to be had. Walmart says it's lowering the cost of its Thanksgiving meal bundle by 25% this year. And Target is offering a Thanksgiving dinner for four for just 20 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you wait. You wait until. We're gonna have. It's gonna be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they didn't say anything about this shrinkage. Shrink inflation on the Walmart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not yet. I think we're gonna see the Thanksgiving report and it's gonna be sad. Children going, mommy, what's this? There's no marshmallows in my sweet potatoes. Where's my pecan pie? I'm sorry, Tiny Tim. Sorry, Tiny Tim. That's President Trump. He shrunk your Thanksgiving Day package.

[Adam Curry]

You know, I don't want to, like, move these things into place because of this, like, a grand conspiracy, like you're saying it, but that brings me to this bird nonsense. Because it involves birds.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got it again. It's that time.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's right. I have one of those around here somewhere, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that time of year.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I gotta find. Go find my.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just found mine.

[Adam Curry]

I gotta find mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bird test.

[Adam Curry]

So that. So. So I'm. I didn't make this connection that. Because the birds. Birds, birds, turkeys, turkey dinner. And then there's this stupid. The stupidest story that I've heard on PBS forever. Yeah, I don't know if you're even aware about the bird test.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I got some clips about it. It's ridiculous, but here it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

One of the latest relationship tests on social media to go viral is the bird theory. It starts with a casual comment.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

You know, when you were inside, I.

[Adam Curry]

Saw a really pretty bird.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bird.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

I saw a bird today.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw a bird today.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Today. I forgot to tell you that I saw a bird today.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bird. The test is how the partner responds. Wait, I saw a blue jay the other day, too. No, literally, I saw one on my run. Do they engage pointed beak, rounded beak or not? Why are you Telling. These tests have racked up millions of views. They're based on a theory developed by couples researcher John Gottman about the importance of engaging with partners when looking for a connection. But what do they really tell us? Alexandra Solomon is a licensed clinical psychologist and adjunct professor at Northwestern University and the host of a podcast called Reimagining Love. Alexandra, how valuable is this test? What does it really reveal?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

You know, these tests come and go. And I tell you what, this one is particularly sneaky because it does have Gottman's research behind it. And there's a wish that all of our relationships could boil down to one little test like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So although there's validity, it's putting too much weight in one little micro moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Folks, this is a four parter from PBS about some test to see if you should divorce your spouse based upon how they answer the question or a statement that you make about a bird that you saw.

[Adam Curry]

I saw a bird, yeah. So what did you shoot? I was divorcing you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you shoot it? It might have bird flow. Wow. And it has science behind it? Apparently, yes.

[Adam Curry]

This guy, look at this guy, this John Gottlieb character. He's like a most, gosh, awful looking person there is. I mean, it's one of those, you know, very ugly, ugly effort, perfect face for science. And it's just like, okay. But I guess it caught on on TikTok. This is the kind of thing that we, as oldsters, we can't keep up because it's going too fast for us.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is your boomer, people. All right, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

So we're. So I had to extract this from PBS and made a whole segment out of it. And by the way, this is not the whole thing. It goes on and on and on. But here's his part two, which is the yuck part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, tell us about Gottman's theory. Tell us about that.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

What Gottman says is that romantic relationships are not made up of the grand sweeping gesture, you know, the rose petals on the bed and all of the sort of fairy tale ideas that we grow up with. In fact, romantic relationships, the healthy ones, are made up of a series of thousands and thousands and millions of micro moments of connection that build trust and safety and authenticity between partners. That's what this test is about. It's a bid for connection.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, the New York Times calls this social media's relationship yardstick du jour. And you talked about how these come and go. Why are we so drawn to this?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

We're drawn to It. Because there are few things in our lives that make us feel quite as vulnerable as our intimate relationships do. The stakes are high. The consequence of losing the person that we love, you know, through a breakup, through divorce, certainly through death, those consequences are very, very big. You know, we risk heartbreak. And so I think we are forever looking for evidence to the. To answer the question, are we okay? You know, are we okay? Are you with me? Do you have my back? Do you see me? Do I murder to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Please tell me you have a clip of the actual test and how it works, because I can't wait to try this right after the. In fact, I might call Tina during the show.

[Adam Curry]

It's simple. It's just you say, I saw a bird, and then you get the reaction of the other person if they. Which it goes on, they kind of explain it, let it play out.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the only. Here, we'll do it. This is how two people who have been together in a relationship for 18 years do this test. Go ahead, John, ask me.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in fact, I have this plan for the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. All right. And what's the motivation for people to put these online and have strangers discuss it?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, John, here's where the rubber hits the road. I do think that especially in these scenarios we're seeing where people have taped their partner without their consent, you know, that's a kind of boundary violation. And I, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the boundary violation?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, taping someone without their consent, you know, the way the kids do with the cameras with their little phone. You bring your phone out and you record someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a. But I'm gonna use this, darling. That's a boundary violation.

[Adam Curry]

It's a boundary violation.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Seeing where people have taped their partner without their consent, you know, that's a kind of boundary violation. And I, I think that if somebody is tempted to test their partner in this way, the first step is to check in with themselves. You know, what is. Is what's going on here. And we really have normalized that. We sort of live these two lives. We live the flesh and blood life of ours, and we live this online life. So I think we really have normalized. It seems kind of, you know, ordinary or no big deal right now to be showing little windows into our world online. But I think it's a problem. I think we ought to be careful.

[John C. Dvorak]

This does show a willingness to sort of let the other partners world in something that they value in the world they found interesting. Does that tell us anything? Anything?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Absolutely. Absolutely. There's, you know, it feels really good when we, when we notice something or we raise something and our partner turns toward us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Does. Is she in a relationship currently?

[Adam Curry]

No, she's. She's a single mom at best.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Instead of, you know, looking at their phone and saying huh or not responding at all, it's really painful. Those, those breaks and connection are really painful for us. And those moments of attunement where our partner turns their attention toward us, us feel really good. So there, there's, that's where the validity is. The validity is that our desire to connect with our partner in these small, seemingly insignificant being with this matter. It makes sense that people want, you know, to have the partner ask follow up questions about this little bird that we saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. So, okay, I'm. First of all, the term attunement is a possible show title.

[Adam Curry]

This is attunement. Okay, Put it on the list. Okay. We. I think that was the last clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. There's a, there's a, a bird test for retort clip.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's what we're going to do. The test. You're going to ask me. I found a script for how to answer this correctly. So you pass the test. Well, I know the answer is clip and don't play it. It's clip four. But this is. You're going to ask me what you saw. A bird. And then you play clip 4 because that will be my answer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. And then, then you're going to ask me the question and I'll give my answer, sir.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, can we play Ask me then play.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, okay. Okay. I ask you and then I hit clip four. Okay. Now am I supposed to. Isn't it just a statement like I saw a bird today. Isn't that I'm not supposed to ask a question.

[Adam Curry]

Right, Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Could you pretend to be on your phone for a second? Because I think that's part of the.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I saw a bird. Everybody's talking about the bird. Bird. Bird.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

The bird is the word. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That question for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Name that group.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, everybody's talking about the birds. It's the surfers.

[Adam Curry]

The trashman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trashman. Ah, I should have known. No. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it was based on another song called Birds the word. Yes, by another group. Name that group.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got me.

[Adam Curry]

The Rivingtons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good. Is that available on 78?

[Adam Curry]

No, but I'll tell you, everyone should go look up the trash man. Presentation of birds the word or surfer bird. Surfing bird.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why I was confused on YouTube.

[Adam Curry]

And watch this guy. And then you realize where Mick Jagger got all his moves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. So now I'll be on my phone, and then you say, I saw a bird. Hold on, let me get on my phone. Okay, I'm on my phone.

[Adam Curry]

I saw a bird today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, birds aren't real.

[Adam Curry]

That's reasonable.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's my answer right there. Everybody knows birds aren't real. They're spy drones. So I have seen people do a version of this, and it's. And really what's. If I understand this abbreviated version of this very long report that was apparently on public broadcast systems.

[Adam Curry]

He was.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is noticeable, especially if in a group setting where someone is on their phone and you'd be talking, or even if it's just two people. People and they're texting something, it's typically. If they're texting and you know they will. It's. It's interesting to see, they'll actually be. You might have seen this yourself with the kids. Maybe, maybe not. You probably forbid phones at the table.

[Adam Curry]

No, I. I bitch about it a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Then they will answer you, but it'll be when they have a break in their typing. So it's like a delayed response. They hear what they're saying.

[Adam Curry]

That's an interest. You're right. I've seen this happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. It's a delayed response.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're. They're. You say something. They're still typing, and they had. They can't lose the train of. The train of thumb typing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then once they finish and you see them finish, then they say something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what it is. And. And so some people will say something like, oh, we almost crashed. You know, just to see if their friend, partner, spouse, whatever is listening, which, of course, they aren't. They are. They. They're hearing, but they're not listening. And this is.

[Adam Curry]

I blame that. There's only one reason, in fact, the whole bird test, the whole thing is really. It's all about one thing, which is the addiction to the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Phones. Yeah. That's what it is. So. Okay, you know, I. I'm against this. I think it's a bad idea.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm. I'm against tricking. This is a boundary violation.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're against the tricking to make the tricking. No, because concept itself, I mean, you might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why don't you just say, I saw a bird? I want you to say, hey, you suck. You know, you could say whatever you want, because the whole intent is to make the other person feel crappy because they. What you say? What? I saw a bird, you know. Oh. And just. And then, of course, the follow up is you weren't listening. I mean, that. That's pretty much what this is about. It's.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. It's a pretty good shout.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not. It's not a good. It's not a. It's not a good. It's a boundary. Boundary violation. You should have an adult conversation and say, hey, you know, when we're talking, let's just put the phones down. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

How about just grabbing the phone out of their hands and stomping it, Stomping.

[John C. Dvorak]

It on the floor. Wow. Wow. That. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you know, it's basically a double shaggy dog story.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, I like it. I like that bringing in the. The. The. The surfing. Surfing bird was good. It is, unfortunately that time of the year again. Do you know what time it is? You know what time it is? You don't know what time it is, do you?

[Adam Curry]

You don't know taco time?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I wish. It's cop time. Cop.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Cop.

[Adam Curry]

Cop time. Oh, brother. You've got clips from this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. Well, it's not something it's not. I have a setup clip from the opening of COP30. All the elites are in Brazil. Party time. Let's fly our jets down to Braz.

[Adam Curry]

Private jets and you can have a lot of party time. Brazil is the place to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party town central. The president of Brazil, Lula da Silva, greeted heads of state from all over the world as they arrived for the UN's COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian Amazon. The leaders from the planet's three biggest polluters, China, the US and India, were nowhere to be seen. In his opening address, Lula urged countries to actively fight against climate disinfecting. That's the theme for this year's COP 30. It's climate disinformation, which, funny enough, is coming from themselves. Extremist forces fabricate fake news to obtain electoral gains and imprison future generations in an outdated model that perpetuates social and economic inequalities and environmental degradation, a message echoed by French President Emmanuel Macron. Climate disinformation today threatens our democracies, the Paris agenda, and therefore our collective security. But it's a tough sell when the leader of one of the world's largest carbon emitters, Donald Trump, is the source of that disinformation, calling climate change a hoax and a con job and refusing to send anyone to the meeting. For its part, China will Send its deputy prime minister. While Argentina's president, a Trump ally, has also boycotted the summit. In his speech, the UN Secretary General tore into countries for their failure to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, a key aim of the 2015 climate summit in Paris. Every fraction of a degree means more hunger displacement. You got to listen to what he says. Every fraction of a degree. 2015 climate summit in Paris. Every. Every fraction of a degree means more hunger displacement and loss, especially for those least responsible. It's horrible. Every fraction of a degree due to climate change. Now, we know that there's a scandal brewing in Denmark, but that doesn't matter because it's COP30. We've got to promote killing the cows, man.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

As climate change worsens and fossil fuels run out, finding new green energy sources is of the essence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait, this isn't the cows clip.

[Adam Curry]

This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is even funnier. You, as a chemist slash industrialist will like this gambit.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The world's first large scale e methanol facility in Kassa, Denmark, is set to foster the green transition.

[John C. Dvorak]

E methanol. Do you know what e methanol is?

[Adam Curry]

E methanol I'm trying to come up with is environmentally friendly Ethanol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And how would you make ethanol? How would you make e methanol? This is great. Great.

[Adam Curry]

I would stick a tube up a cow's butt that would.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's wrong.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

E methanol is made using renewable energy by splitting a water atom with an electrolyzer and then combining the pure hydrogen in a reactor tower with biogenic carbon dioxide. European Energy, the company that co owns the facility, intends for e methanol to be a green alternative to traditional methanol.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're doing hydrogen hydrolysis with solar panels? Yeah, hydrolysis with solar panels and windmills and then some cow burps and oh, it's really good. This report proves it.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Made with fossil fuels.

[John C. Dvorak]

The world market today is 100 million ton of methanol. And part of the consumers of that wants to green their supply chain so it can be in shipping for fuel, which is actually new. For methanol, there's even an additional use of methanol.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Decarbonizing the shipping sector, which has grown to account for about 3% of global emissions, is a focus for global leaders and an issue set to be discussed at COP30 in Belem, Brazil on Monday. E methanol could help green the industry by replacing the large amount of fossil fuels used by vessels to transport cargo across the globe. European Energy CEO Eric Anderson says the company Expects price parity with fossil fuels by 2030. Even so, the facility's current e methanol Production capacity is 40,000 tons annually. A ways away from replacing the 100 million ton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Global market for methanol produced 40,000 tons. But we only need 100 million thousand tons by. We can make it, boys. We'll be able to make it. No worries. Bring and crank up the windmill. Because of course what's happening now is now that Cop 30 is taking place. This is the money summit. This is where everybody puts their proposals in. I need some money for my research. I need some money for my e methanol. It's a big money suck. And here's the killing the cows clip. When cows eat, the grass ferments in their stomachs and produces methane. Methane is over 80 times stronger than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the the atmosphere. In the short term, a single cow can release more than 100 kilos of methane a year.

[Adam Curry]

Now multiply that by the world's billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cows and the number gets wild. Due to climate change. The number gets wild. Everybody but scientists are testing fixes like seaweed feed, which in some trials has.

[Adam Curry]

Cut methane by up to 80%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Garlic additives have also been found to change a cow's gut microbes and reduce gas production. Now get to the point, get to the point. You really want to sell us. And then there are even cow vaccines designed to block methane making microbes in the stomach. If these solutions scale up, the payoff could be massive. Dead cows. Cutting methane from livestock is one of the fastest ways to slow global warming. Releasing wind can be pretty funny. Sure. But from cows, they are no laughing matter. I mean, yes, this will work. This will absolutely work. If you kill the cows with your silly vaccine, there will be less methane in the, in the atmosphere. Absolutely. So that, that's the vaccine, guys.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm, so I, since I'm where I'm sitting in this office, you see, I have an overview of a freeway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And there are thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of cars that go, go by, all pumping out, you know, moderate amount of CO2 out the tailpipe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm thinking I haven't seen a cow for months, but yet somehow the cows are going to be responsible. This is a bunch of vegan meat haters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Blaming the cows for climate change when there's no such thing as bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is the vaccine people trying to make money. Right?

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's that too. Okay. You have a combination of lethal concepts. The Lethal combination of vegans and vaxxers. It's unbelievable. Why don't they just give the vaccines to the vegans?

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a solution that. I saw a bird today. Everybody's talking about the bird. Okay, so if you're a scientist. I need more money for my research. I need more money for my research. I must come up with a term that gets me money for my research. Put it into a report for me, please.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

2025 has not been a good year for glaciers. A series of reports all appear to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Confirm that climate change is melting these bodies of ice at an alarming rate. Since 2000, the world has lost more.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Than 7 trillion tons of of ice from mountain glaciers.

[Adam Curry]

Signs of melting evident here on the Italian side of the Mont Blancine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now see if you can, if you can spot the term this scientist is going to use to get more money for research. We have observed over the years is that the glacier is slowing down. And this is a sign that there is less input of mass to the glacier from slow snowfall.

[Adam Curry]

Now scientists are rushing to recover the understanding where the ice has created a natural archive full of important information about rainfall, volcanic eruptions and other climate events.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the point is that because the glaciers are melting, we're losing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're losing history.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we're losing critical data. But what can happen as the warming progresses? You will have very hot summers, even up there. Very hot meaning above the melting point of ice, which means that water can percolate into the firm. That's the compacted snow that is on top of the firm ice and therefore contaminate the climate signals.

[Adam Curry]

It's a critical mission to secure the first.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the climate signals, John. Climate is. We're losing climate.

[Adam Curry]

You kind of put a Boeing right after the word you wanted me to identify.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I kind of did that. Yes, kind of did that. It's the climate signals. But you know what? Let's get Japan in on this scam because they're there. Everyone's at the COP30 except for America, Russia and China.

[Adam Curry]

Ark and India.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, India. I think India sent a dude, though. I think they sent a dude. A representative climate. Representative climate dude. They might have sent somebody. And I think China also sent a dude, but an insignificant dude because, you know, all the bigwigs are there anyway. Japan. Ah, we got a problem with climate change. Holes in walls, chairs scattered about, refrigerator.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Doors ripped from their hinges.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the aftermath of a bear probably looking for food in a hotel.

[Adam Curry]

Spring onsen in northern Japan. The authorities. Why are they talking like this all the time at the climate summit. Is it a library? And they have to speak like this when they talk about, oh, oh, we're talking about climate. So we have to be quiet.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very, very serious business. You know, this is about death of the entire planet.

[Adam Curry]

Japan. The authorities killed it soon after the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Inn'S owner called the authorities. This 68 year old was taken by surprise when he opened his garage and.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

He found a bear sitting inside.

[Adam Curry]

A bear.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it's over for me. This is how I'm going to die. I thought that I was going to.

[Adam Curry]

Be killed by that bear. This map shows the number of non.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fatal bear attacks in yellow and bear.

[Adam Curry]

Attack deaths in red with a stark uptick in October.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got a bear attack map going.

[Adam Curry]

A record setting.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

13 people have died in bear attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

Since April, more than doubling the previous record set in 2023.

[Adam Curry]

More than 100 people have been wounded.

[John C. Dvorak]

In attacks across the country. According to experts, a warming climate has.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Produced an abundance of food for bears.

[Adam Curry]

In the mountains, creating an ideal environment.

[John C. Dvorak]

For them to thrive due to climate change. Baby, it's all climate change.

[Adam Curry]

Everything is unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're going to be killed with this for the next week.

[Adam Curry]

I think the way. What's interesting to me is that at the same time they're reporting, even though not all the networks are doing doing it, they're reporting that because of this cold snap that's coming in from the Arctic that's going to hit us, you know, this week it's hitting us now. A lot of people aren't listening to the show because of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? It's called the, isn't it? No, it's not the bomb, it's the.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's something else. But whatever, whatever it is, they've now predicting 200 year records are going to be broken for all time lows. How does that work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, it's due to climate change. Climate change. Don't you understand anything? And then amidst all of this, the people who actually get it right, they're.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Going out of business after more than two centuries. The Farmer's Almanac announcing it is ending production after the 2026 edition. That's after it releases. The publication says rising costs in a changing media landscape made it impossible to keep going. The website will also slowly shut down along with its social media posts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Staff say they're thankful for the support.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

That they've had over the years and they are proud of the legacy they leave behind.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a travesty.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, now that you mention it, The Farmer's Almanac was. When was the last time you bought Wakapi? Probably you're the reason. This is what happens when people neglect things like the Farmer's Almanac or even the no Agenda show for that matter.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And they just take it for granted. Oh, there it is. Yeah, it's predicting the weather again. And there you have it. No blah, blah, blah. And there they go. Out of business. Because you didn't buy a copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I feel really bad now.

[Adam Curry]

You should.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Let me see. What the. Let me see. Because I think. Yeah, there's a 20. So we should buy the 20. If everyone on mass buys the 2026 almanac, they might be able to keep the website going.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think we should all buy a copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. $4.79, people.

[Adam Curry]

That's cheap. No wonder they went out of business. It should have been eight bucks by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the real problem is that they only release. They didn't release it. Did they release it every year, the Farmers Almanac? They did, yeah, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. They should have had Farmers Almanac Monthly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, their website is no good. I mean they should have. They should have done V4V but baby, they should have done value for value. But yeah, you're right. Your point is well made is because everyone just kind of expected the news to tell us what the Farmer's Almanac said and we didn't support them. Me included. I stick my hand on my own breasts. Me included. Now they're going away and who are the people behind it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're out of work. They're FAA controllers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it farm?

[Adam Curry]

I think it was a farmer involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Asking for a friend. Yeah. So. Yeah, so that we'll be. We'll be absolutely obliterated with this nonsense for the next, next. Next week at least. At least.

[Adam Curry]

So I have some ice. Couple ice clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the ice thing is I do have some local boots on the ground stuff about the ice stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good. Well, let's get to that. Right. These clips are interesting. This is the Wild Ice. This is a kick this Wild Ice app. They get some apps they're using and everyone's stunned by these apps that all this things. Crazy, crazy things in this app that like, you know, do facial recognition and it's just a scandal as Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I forgot it says SS on there. Means Scott Simon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how. I mean. Oh, okay. That is that. Now the code. Is that the.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, I should have. I've been doing this for a while with the code, but I Forgot to tell you the code. Suffer and succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Scott.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry. That's my fault.

[John C. Dvorak]

Simon. As Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ice, strive to deport more immigrants, it is increasing its surveillance tools. Critics warn these new technologies can violate privacy and civil liberties. NPR's Jude Joffe block joins us now. Jude, thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. What are some of the tools that ICE agents are using these days?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, they've got new contracts to monitor social media and help find people's locations.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wanted to overrun us and poison us and take our families and kill us.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

ICE has also revived a contract with a company called Paragon Solutions, which is known for making spyware that can hack into cell phones. We're all gonna die. But one big thing that's new is an app ICE and Border Patrol agents have in the field. Social media videos show they're using it to scan people's faces during encounters on the street.

[Adam Curry]

No way are you an idiot.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

In an attempt to identify them and figure out if they're deportable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jude, how does this app work?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, there's still a lot that's unknown, but one of these videos that was first reported by 404 Media was shot outside of Chicago. And you see Border Patrol agents approaching two young people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me that you were born here and give me an id. You'll be good.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The young man filming the encounter says he doesn't have id, and then the agent turns to his colleague and asks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you do facial?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Can you do facial? He says, and his colleague pulls out his phone and holds it up and appears to scan his face, though it's possible he took a photo. The video was posted by someone claiming to be the cousin of one of the boys who was stopped. The poster didn't respond to a request about the Post, but NPR was able to verify exactly where it was taken. We did get a statement from ice, and they didn't answer questions about this app, but said nothing new here. For years, law enforcement across the nation has leveraged technological innovations to fight crime.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I do have a problem with this. I mean, we can make fun of it, but we. We do live in a constitutional republic where papers, please. And if you don't give your papers, you get a facial. Is not cool. I'm against that. I don't care what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, they have the ca. You know, you. They ask for your driver's license all the time. You have to have a light. You now you have to have real ID to get on a Plane.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I know.

[Adam Curry]

And these. Somebody's got a guy in front of you that you want to deport. You want to make sure. Boy, I think my voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're choking up, man.

[Adam Curry]

You're falling apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're choking up.

[Adam Curry]

Not choking up. I'm choked. And so they take a picture of the guy's face and it shows up as who it is. I mean, we've been watching. We've been primed for this. If you watch television mysteries and dramas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Over the last 25 years, we've been primed for it. Here's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

And they do it on Facebook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's the problem. It's like, you should not have a Facebook profile. This is problem number one.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even have a Facebook account. Do you?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I gave mine up at least 11 years ago. @ least. And people still. It's amazing that people still send me, hey, you got to see this post. And it's Facebook and I can't see the post.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, you know, recently, I don't know when this started.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes you can. You got to click the Facebook login thing. But then if you scroll down, scroll. Then right away pops up again.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, if you scroll. But if it's just a video, you can see.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's true. That's true. Anyway, we'll play the second clip, and.

[Adam Curry]

Then the second clip hasn't got no gimmicks in it. No gimmicks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's gimmick free. Shoot. Do we know if this technology, except for Scott Simon, which is gimmick by itself, do we know if this technology can be used to identify essentially everybody you citizens?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, a group of Democratic senators has been trying to get answers to that question and others about this app since September, but haven't gotten them from ice. They've called on ICE to stop using this technology and reiterated that demand. On Monday, my colleague Martin Costi spoke to Democratic Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey.

[Adam Curry]

This type of on demand surveillance is harrowing, and it should put all of us on guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

It chills speech, it erodes privacy.

[Adam Curry]

It ultimately undermines our democracy.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

He expressed concern that this tool could be used against people who criticize the government or protesters.

[John C. Dvorak]

What safeguards exist to try to ensure that these technologies are not abused?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, I asked that to ICE and dhs and we didn't hear back. I also spoke with legal and privacy experts who told me that our current legal and regulatory framework just isn't robust enough to ensure that these kinds of new tools are used with the appropriate oversight and accountability that's really needed. Emily Tucker is with Georgetown Law School, Senate center on Privacy and Technology. Immigration powers are being used to justify mass surveillance of everybody. And she says it's a mistake to think this doesn't affect every one of us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so my opinion remains the same. And yes, I'm okay with tools. Tools for immigration. But there's. Here's the. So this needs to be very clear. Who can use this and under what circumstances. Just so if you're pulled over over than showing your driver's license, which you don't even have to hand off. I don't think technically you can just hold it against the glass, but you.

[Adam Curry]

Can also try doing that in Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will work in Texas. It will work in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Just give them your license. What difference does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, listen, you have less road ahead of you than you have behind you. But there's a lot of young people. I don't want them living in a society where cops just come up to you and just scan your face to see who you are. I don't want. Want that. I don't. Now, what's the problem with the immigration enforcement right now in our sleepy little town of Fredericksburg? 20 minutes, 15 minutes up the road, we have Boot Ranch. Boot Ranch. You should look it up. Boot Ranch.

[Adam Curry]

Poor house.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Boot Ranch is a gated community. I don't know how many houses. A lot of houses. You cannot buy a house there for under $2 million. Most of them are 3 to 7 million dollars. It's crazy. They got private golf course. Fine. What? It's perfect. But they have maid service and the ma. And this is how I know about it, because the maid stopped showing up. You know why? Because ICE came into Fredericksburg. And they're not looking for criminals. They're just looking for numbers. Like, we gotta. We gotta have numbers. We have quotas. We gotta arrest people and. Yeah, guess what? A lot of the maids who have been here maybe 20 years. Years, they've been arrested and deported. So they're not just kicking out criminals.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they were technically arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they. What do you mean? They were taken into custody.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that's different than being arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, be a dick about it. You know what I mean?

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not being a dick about it. I'm just trying to. Your words matter. You're the one that says that all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they have been deported? Deported, yeah. And yes, they were here illegally. But this is no longer just looking for criminals. There are ICE patrols. I understand why people get freaked out about this. Particularly in Boot Ranch, because who's going to clean their homes? I mean, this is a real problem in Boot Brothers now.

[Adam Curry]

Poor people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but, you know, it's gotten a little bit beyond. We're kicking out criminals. They're just doing quotas now. Chicago and I don't know, but when you're in Fredericksburg trolling for. For cleaners, which, yeah, you're going to find a lot of that. And yes, they should be replaced by American citizens, but you know, when you're just walking around and face scanning everybody, it's. I don't like it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should be like this woman then. This is the talk. Anti Constitutions. Z Gen Z zetter.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

All right, here's my hot take of today. I don't think that a society governed.

[John C. Dvorak]

By a document that was written in.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

The 1700s by a bunch of drunk white guys in their 20s who couldn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even conceive of the existence of the.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Majority of the United States of America should be used to this day. And I don't think that we are going to have a successful society until we get rid of the thing and restart. Because the Founding Fathers could not have conceived of my existence. They just could not have. They couldn't conceive of it. Their brain. Brains would have exploded. So how could that document possibly serve me?

[John C. Dvorak]

How could it?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

We need a new one. We need to restart. We need to start over. This one's trash. We need to revamp it and get a new one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, going from what I said to what she says and saying I should be like her is rude and just uncalled for.

[Adam Curry]

There's no psychological.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's okay because I'm not a baby like you and whine about it. I just tell you.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, I just tell.

[John C. Dvorak]

You straight, straight up.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, the Founding Fathers were aware of people like her. Yeah, they were called witches.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was right there with you. But all of this facial recognition and digital identity, this is really happening. Although in France, they're kind of downplaying it right now because there was a bit of a fracas. I got a Euro news debunk report, although sounds like it could kind of happen anyway. A claim is circulating online that France is entering an era of total traceability amid allegations that the country's digital ID will be directly tied to personal social media accounts. This post on X says that the measure would on paper allow authorities to fight against the bad guys, but that unofficially, it would be one more step towards a society where words and opinions are policed. It attaches a video of Paul Midi, a member of the French Parliament, and of President Emmanuel Macron's Renaissance Party, giving an interview in which he says that the measure would prevent complete anonymity online to help tackle impunity for online harassment and other illegality.

[Adam Curry]

However, the caption is wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

While French MPs did consider linking the digital ID to Citizen Social media, these proposals were rejected and the country is not currently poised to introduce the movement measure. The idea first emerged in 2023 as part of the discussion on the law aimed at securing and regulating the digital space, or SREN law. At the time, Midi and others tabled an amendment that would have required a certification by a state approved third party such as the digital ID when creating new accounts on social media. The video of Midi attached to the social media post is from an interview with French radio station RTL at around the time that politicians were discussing the proposed amendment. So it's not new. Ultimately, the amendment faced fierce opposition and was withdrawn and the final law came into force in May 2024 without the measure linking digital IDs with social media accounts. As things stand, the digital ID can be used to verify someone's age when creating a social media account, for example, but you're not required to do so. So. And the digital ID is not automatically linked to your social media accounts. Yeah, I give them one year before that's required in Europe. One year max. That is definitely happening because they, they have the digital id. Everybody's got digital ID in Europe and the Brit card, it's going to be tied to it.

[Adam Curry]

I wish I now I'm irked that I didn't get this clip of this French woman who's floating around, attractive lady floating around telling people to some guy got arrested in France for posted just getting like England posting pictures of a bunch of migrants just hanging around, you know, the bakery and you know, harassing ladies and got thrown in jail this guy for posting it. And so she came out with a video saying we got to start posting this stuff because it's bull crap what's going on. But digital ID and facial recognition out of the blue is different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's different, but it's all going to be tied together. Palantir, man, don't you know, don't you know Palantir. Palantir is going to do us. Palantir Elon Musk or a Palantir Peter Thiel. They're all going to kill us. And they might. They just might.

[Adam Curry]

Packers will save the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Meanwhile, oh boy, we've got another drone scaring people in Brussels. They're showing video literally a drone with red blinking lights saying, I'm a drone. I'm a drone.

[Adam Curry]

Brussels 7 TAM Airport is still feeling the aftershock of Tuesday's drone sightings, which forced the city's main airport to close and left left dozens of flights grounded. The country's defense minister told local media that the incident appeared to be carried out by professionals intent on destabilizing the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Country while departing and arriving flights were professionals. I mean, I don't understand a drone. Someone flies a drone with a red flashing light. It's not. It's not a Reaper drone. It's just a drone flying around the airport, which should, of course be completely illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Jokers is some teenagers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But the payoff is in the report.

[Adam Curry]

Content on destabilizing the country. All departing and arriving flights were temporarily suspended, forcing hundreds of passengers to spend the night at the airport. Liege Airport, used principally as a cargo hub, was also closed due to drone sightings on Tuesday. Both airports have now reopened, but officials have warned that disruptions are expected to continue and that passengers should be prepared for delays. Both navigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

NATO and the European Union have been.

[Adam Curry]

On high alert recently following a string of airspace violations thought to be carried out by Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course it's Russia. Of course it's Russia.

[Adam Curry]

Thought to be Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is no longer drones.

[Adam Curry]

This is a red flashing light. That's why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, but it's no longer drones. It's hybrid. This is what we call this. This is hybrid. It's hybrid. And when you're talking hybrid, there is no one better but Mark Rutter to come in and tell you about the hybrid. Hybrid. Well, you know, when it comes to. To hybrid. And the word is a bit strange. It's a very strange word because on the hybrid we have seen assassination attempts. We have seen the. In. In. In what? Assassination attempts at. John, have you seen an assassination attempt in a hybrid who was. Except for Trump and Charlie Kirk was not an attempt. Was a real one. In some countries the jamming of commercial airplanes. But jamming of commercial. This planes with commercial were jammed. Which ones? Oh, Ursula's. Okay. Which could pose great risks.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Commercial. Commercial aviation. Yes. We assume an attack on the NHS in the United Kingdom. What attack on the NHS in United Kingdom? I don't have the report. Do you know it?

[Adam Curry]

Can I ask a question?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

How we have people that can hit a target at, oh, I don't know, 600 yards with a scope and a laser spotting gear. Why can't we just shoot these? Why don't we have just one sharpshooter at the airport? These things aren't that high up. They're not at 30,000ft.

[John C. Dvorak]

You are missing the points, man.

[Adam Curry]

And just shoot the drone. I don't understand why these. They let these drones fly around.

[John C. Dvorak]

We must. I need to make the people scared. Don't you understand this? To make the people scared. So I don't like the word hybrid too much. I do think, okay, it is. It is the. It is the accepted language. Okay, it is the word. We're just gonna. The bird is the word we use the hybrid. Clearly this is something where within NATO and within our allies, we are working extremely actively to make sure that. Oh, yes, we are on the case, people. Nat, NATO is good. Get your money ready, get your tax money ready, is all good. We counter whatever is necessary. I mean, you take for example, the situation Christmas time last year when the undersea sea scale was cut between Estonia and Finland. We immediately launched Baltic Century. And that was launched. We launched it sure that we would be able to, using the latest technologies, etcetera, to, to counter what happened there. So sometimes it is big, what we do. Sometimes it is smaller, sometimes you cannot see it, sometimes. Sometimes it is invisible. What we do with your money, it's complete. Don't worry, it's good. What we're doing with your tax money, it's invisible. But we are working very hard collectively to make sure that we defend against any threat, including hybrid threats. And Russia. And Russia. It's always about Russia. Oh, man, these guys. So Orban was at the White House, the president of Hungary. And this was. This is really interesting because I'm confused now. What power does the president have? Because Hungary is a part of the eu. No. Yes, they're part of the eu. They are an EU country and NATO too, and yes, so. But somehow the President of the United States has jurisdiction over their use of Russian oil. I'm a little confused about this.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

It was smiles and compliments as US President Trump welcomed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. Meeting in Washington, the two men discussed economic cooperation and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. And just weeks after imposing what Trump called tremendous sanctions on Russian oil and gas, the US President has given Hungary a one year exemption. Orban, who's a longtime Trump ally and critic of Western support for Ukraine, made his case and welcomed the decision.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is not possible to secure Hungary's energy supply and to provide affordable energy to Hungarian families and businesses if sanctions continue to be imposed on Two key pipelines. We looked at the issue and we asked the President to lift the sanctions. We asked for two pipelines to be exempted from all sanctions.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

International Monetary Fund figures show Hungary relied on Russia for 74% of its gas and 86% of its oil in 2024. It warned that an EU wide cutoff of Russian natural gas alone could force output losses in Hungary exceeding 4% of GDP. Trump agreed that Hungary needed reprieve from the sanctions because of its landlocked position. He also accused other European countries of buying Russian oil and gas for years.

[Adam Curry]

The oil is a great country, it's a big country, but they don't have sea, they don't have the port.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great country.

[Adam Curry]

And so they have a difficult problem. But when you look at what's happened with Europe, many of those countries, they don't have those problems and they buy a lot of oil and gas from Russia. And as they know, I'm very disturbed by that because we're helping them.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Shortly before Friday's exemption announcement, Ukraine's President Zelensky said they cannot let Russia. Russia profit from energy and said they would find a way to ensure no Russian oil was in Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

How does the President of the United States get to exempt Hungary from. From taking Russian energy from through the pipelines?

[Adam Curry]

Is that our pipeline sanctions?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, but the Europe has sanctions. We don't have sanctions on Europe other than we'll put tariffs on you. Is it, is it exemption from our tariffs on that? What? Hungarian salami? What do we get from Hungary?

[Adam Curry]

What do we get from Hungary?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's a good question. There's got to be something from Hungary.

[Adam Curry]

Probably get something from them. You know, it's just we run in the show. I don't know. You know, this is not a shock to you?

[John C. Dvorak]

I was just, I was just curious.

[Adam Curry]

It's like maybe the Israelis told us to do this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hey, Scott Besant was on with George Stephanopoulos this morning and I thought it was kind of a fun exchange because Scott Besson, he can get in people's faces. Have you noticed this?

[Adam Curry]

He does it in his own. With his own style. He's a stylizer or stylist. Stylist. He does it. He's very calm.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a stylist.

[Adam Curry]

She's a stylist in more ways than one. And. And he's quite calm and he's sharp witted and. Yeah, I think I like Rubio style the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah. Rubio wasn't on the morning shows. It was. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

No, Rubio's been out of the picture for a while for some reason and.

[John C. Dvorak]

For sure I like while he's going to. Oh, well, while you're talking about that Rubio, the stands are back in the picture. The stands. Stands. The stands. The stands. Yeah, the stands. Yeah, the stands. Kazakhstan, Tajikistan.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, those stands.

[John C. Dvorak]

The stands. And this, this is a great little clip.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Several issues were on the table at the summit between us and several Central Asian heads of state.

[Adam Curry]

Among them rare earth minerals, the sale of Boeing airplanes and the Abraham Accords.

[John C. Dvorak]

US President Donald Trump announced, announced soon after that Kazakhstan, the largest country in.

[Adam Curry]

The region, would join them this evening. I'm also delighted to report that Kazakhstan has officially agreed.

[John C. Dvorak]

What country, Mr. President? Kazakhstan. Dude, you heard me. Kazakhstan is joining in.

[Adam Curry]

Delighted to report that Kazakhstan has officially agreed. And that's official.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now.

[Adam Curry]

As of about 15 minutes ago, a tremendous country with a tremendous leader has officially joined the Abraham Accords. At first glance, the move seems hollow. Kazakhstan has had diplomatic relations with Israel.

[John C. Dvorak]

For decades, a contrast to countries such as Morocco and Bahrain that only opened.

[Adam Curry]

Them up as part of the accords. For his part, the Kazakh president said that before the summit such cooperation would yield economic dividends.

[John C. Dvorak]

After the meeting, he expressed his willingness.

[Adam Curry]

To maintain strong relations with Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

My political will to seize all those unique opportunities and I have no doubts that we have very bright future as it comes to our bilateral cooperation. It could also be that Central Asian countries in the meeting, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan, in addition to their.

[Adam Curry]

Abundance of rare earth minerals, are sandwiched.

[John C. Dvorak]

In between Russia and China.

[Adam Curry]

And the US is vying for favor over its adversaries. US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Announced visits to those countries in 2026.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rubio's going to the stands.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, he should go to the newest stand.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the newest stand?

[Adam Curry]

New Yorkistan.

[John C. Dvorak]

New Yorkistan. I had a boots on the ground report from W. Let me see. Wabc, I think. Let me see. Yes, ABC New York. This is the voters boots on the ground in Astoria, Queens. This is Mumdani's home turf. It looked like a New Year's Eve party, but this was an election night celebration. This is Citizen app video of overjoyed Zorin Mamdani supporters who filled 24th Avenue in Astoria last night to mark the historic results of a groundbreaking victory. Young voters energized by the campaign promises.

[Adam Curry]

Of a 34 year old Muslim state assemblyman born in Uganda hit the streets.

[John C. Dvorak]

To mark the dawn of a new era. That's great. We Got, we've got to remember that. That rundown. Hold on, let me hear it again. Young voters, energized by the campaign promises.

[Adam Curry]

Of a 34 year old Muslim state assemblyman born in Uganda, hit the streets.

[John C. Dvorak]

To mark the dawn of a new era. Even politics.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

I think that it's really amazing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have like Nose Ring, a movement.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

That everyone was excited about that was able to prevail over something that we.

[Adam Curry]

Were all really worried about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mamdani supporters crowded the Bohemian hall and beer garden to watch the election night returns. Returns that quickly confirmed what pre election polls reveal time and time again. And a sizable lead for the front.

[Adam Curry]

Runner who saw winning projections about an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hour after the polls closed in Mamdani's home district this morning. The excitement and energy of last night's.

[Adam Curry]

Epic win looms large.

[John C. Dvorak]

Astoria resident Hannah Lieberman is also a small business owner.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

I really like that he wasn't bought by anyone. I think like those kinds of grassroots campaigns. So inspiring. And what we need, I mean I.

[Adam Curry]

Think the big thing is having better access to housing, expanding the ability, the availability of housing and some of the rent control that they can pursue.

[John C. Dvorak]

Affordability, Mr. President. Affordability. That's what did it.

[Adam Curry]

So we got a note from one of our more famous executive producers in the business. Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, that guy. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So a subject. Mira Nar Nair. N A I R. Mira Nair.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mirror. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know who she is?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

She is the famous Hollywood director. Who's Brunet or who's Bernice? Who's. Who's mom? Dummy's mom. And he writes this note. Haven't heard much in the press about her or mention of her on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

No, I noticed that too. She's a sought after director after Monsoon Wedding. Don't know what the angle is, but there seems to be something here considering it's not getting much if any play. If anything, maybe that's why Mandami is good with his TikTok videos. Question mark. Not saying she has anything to do with making them, but maybe just odd that she hasn't been mentioned. Just odd. More hasn't been made of her being his mom or the lack of attention to it especially. Everyone seems to be love everything Hollywood now. So I went back and looked at this. His videos, the really good ones like the Valentine's Day one and the one he's on the street. Two things I noticed. One, he uses a Hollywood movie style microphone. He doesn't use a normal microphone. This is equipment gear. You know, they're extended or like a shotgun mic. They're used. People hold them underneath the actual.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. What you're saying he's not using a DJI mic with a big fuzzy thing on it?

[Adam Curry]

He's not using a DJI mic. He's not using any normal mic that you would use if you were doing man on the street stuff. It's a Hollywood movie mic that nobody uses. So it's gear he do. And if you watch his videos, there are three and four cameras, shoot shoots. They're beautifully edited overlays and all kinds of fade ins, fade outs. It's slick. It looks like the old TV show Homicide, Life on the streets. The shaky cam comes and goes and there's a shot of him talking to somebody with the camera crew. What part of the camera crew? Behind him. And you see two people next to each other. One guy with extremely high end gear and another woman right next to him filming with a eye with an iPhone next to each other. So you can intersperse the slick look with it. With the shaky cam look or with the iPhone, it. And you go back and look at these and think of them as being produced by Hollywood. You go, oh yeah, duh, yeah. And so this was rigged. This was. People were scammed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rigged. That's great. Smart.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it is great. I mean, if you look back on it as professional, done, they're slick, but it's a scam. People have gotten taken to the cleaners in New York by this guy and his mom. She's been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. You mean Hollywood style production has. Has convinced people of something? Has tricked people? You don't say.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I was stunned. Stunned, Shocked. Well, shocked, I tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, clearly. Clearly Brunetti should have been producing Andrew Cuomo's videos. What about Ms. Her?

[Adam Curry]

Cuomo did have some videos that come out at the end that were all done by AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

His AI videos. Yeah, they were pretty funny.

[Adam Curry]

His AI videos, they were very funny, but it was a little too little too late.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Cuomo has no personality. And what the first lady said, the first nose ring said is exactly what went down. Well, at least if someone we could get behind, he's our age. He's, you know, not really. Some something something. Rent, freeze. Okay, whatever. Something something free.

[Adam Curry]

Something something fast buses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, something free. And he's young, he's attractive, he's got cool videos. And then they've got the sex. You know, the guy accused of sexual abuse. Creepy, creepy old guy. That's what it was. There was just no candidates. No candidates.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they had plenty of opportunities to bring up candidates. The Republicans gave up on the city.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can't blame them.

[Adam Curry]

And then the Democrats had a bunch of stiff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So this kid comes in with his professional.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think about it. Even sleeva. I mean, man, the amount of archive footage. But it's still. It's not what people. People want. Don't want to see guys coming in, kicking ass, cleaning up the subways. No, they want free. That's just the. That's the. That's what these millennials want. Free. I can't afford to live here. Have you considered moving somewhere else? No, I want to live in New York.

[Adam Curry]

I want to live here. We've got budgets, and I want you to pay for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've got bodegas. Yeah, I am. I'm telling you, I'm very much looking forward to the day when daughter number three says, I'm a little short this month. I'm like, call your boy city hall mom, dummy. Call him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. She voted for him.

[John C. Dvorak]

She definitely did. Yeah, she was.

[Adam Curry]

But who else she gonna vote for?

[John C. Dvorak]

She. She was sending us memes. I love her dearly, and we can. We can have our disagreements. That's what I love so much, much about her. She doesn't go all nuclear. You know, she's just grown up in that regard. She sent. It was a meme. It was like a pride flag shaped like a gun pointing at someone's. I think it was. Was it maybe even a Trump head? Let me see. No. So it was an arm. I should send this to you for the newsletter. It was an arm with a gun pointed at a black silhouetted head. Not looking like anybody. That head, really, who was bent forward. So the guns, the back of the head. And it's pride colors and says. Now put the pronouns back in email. And this is exactly what they care about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I had a. Oh, man, I didn't get that clip. Another one I passed on of some tiktoker going nuts about how great it is that woke is back. None of you saw that?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. I g. Didn't hit my new news feed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's go to Besant, because Bessant's a grown up and he's funny and he's sparring with Stephanopoulos and. And throwing stuff in his face. It was cute.

[Adam Curry]

And we were joined now by the treasury secretary, Scott Besson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Besson, thank you for joining us this morning.

[Adam Curry]

We've just tried. Before you play this. Hold on. You know, I'm surprised That Stephanopoulos is a little more humorful and, and quick witted and says and has funny material because, you know, he's married to a comedian.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not know this. Who is she?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I can't remember her name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who is he? I'm sorry. No, I messed up the punchline.

[Adam Curry]

That would have been funny. Yeah, you're right. You blew it. We can judge, you know, we can do it in post. So I can't remember her name, but she used to be on a lot of stuff. She's mostly a skit company comic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her name is Ally Wentworth. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Allie Wentworth. Yeah. And she's very like all female comedians. She must be tough at the dinner table insofar as, you know, having the one liner, the retort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And you think she'd pick up something.

[John C. Dvorak]

She was on In Living Color, which was.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, she was one of the actresses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Wow. She did impressions of Cher, Amy Fisher, Hillary Clinton, Princess Diana, Brooke Shields, Sharon Stone.

[Adam Curry]

Huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting. He has one of those cute faces, but because she's a comedian, every picture makes her look odd. You know, she has to make a face.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

They met on a blind date in 2001. Yeah, it's Mary Stephanopoulos. She must have been blind. November. Yeah, there it is.

[Adam Curry]

You got one in. You got one in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. I'm back. I'm back, everybody. Finally back to Besson.

[Adam Curry]

And we were joined now by the treasury secretary, Scott Besson.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Besson, thank you for joining us this morning. We've just heard about all these impacts from the government shutdown right now. Are we starting to see, see a permanent impact on the economy? Sure, George. And good, good to be with you. And he's already got something ready. You know, good to be with you. And you know, it's possible that that tough at the dinner table that he in. What's her name? I forgot her name already.

[Adam Curry]

Wentworth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wentworth.

[Adam Curry]

Wentworth.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're like, you got to get this Besson. You got to get him, you got to get him good. I'll get you some one liners. But Besson came prepared. We've seen an impact on the economy from day one, but it's getting worse and worse. We had a fantastic economy under President Trump the past two quarters and now there are estimates that the economy economic growth for this quarter could be cut by as much as half if the shutdown continues. And what your correspondent didn't talk about there, George, was there's of course, the human costs and we're going to have the busiest travel day of the year, the day after Thanksgiving. And Americans should look to five Democratic senators to come across the aisle to open that. But on the other side, there's also cargo is being slowed down, so, you know, we could end up with shortages, whether it's in our supply chains, whether it's for the holidays. So, you know, cargo and people are both being slowed down here, and that's for safety's sake. George. Okay, so he kept his powder dry. President continues to post about ending the filibuster. Is that. Is that the best way to end the shutdown right now? Is that what the administration's position is? No, George. The best. The best way to do it. And look, you are involved in a lot of these in the 90s. And, you know, you basically called the Republicans terrorist. And, you know, you said that it is not the responsible party that keeps the government closed. Wow. It gets better. It gets better. And so what we need is five brave, moderate Democratic senators to cross the aisle, because right now it is 52 to 3. 52 to 3. Five Democrats can cross the aisle and reopen the government. That's the best way to do it. George, I can disagree with you about.

[Adam Curry]

The history there, but we don't. History lesson right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

George, George, George, let's talk about what's happening right now. I've got all your quotes here, short. I'm sure you do. And let's talk about the situation. Read your book. Look, so you got one, one purchase on Amazon this week, and that's very much what you said. The best way is for five Democratic senators to come across the aisle. What are we on? Vote 13, 14, 15. Mike Johnson got the reopening out of the House very quickly. And you know, what's changed since the spring, George, is, you know, it's Chuck Schumer's poll numbers. He had a. A clean continuing resolution in the spring. And why are Democrats doing this now? George, again, you've been involved with this. You know, explain what's changed. You know, Senator Chris Murphy gave the game away this week when he said, well, you know, now it's our advantage to keep the government closed. They have turned the American people into pawns. I feel that Besant is really running the tables on Stephanopoulos with this one, you know, pulling up his books, saying, this is what you said when you called the Republicans terrorists.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Stepanopoulos is not very good at defending himself. He starts to. Yeah, exactly. Stumbles, he fumbles, he stutters, he tries to push back. He doesn't take. He never takes. The guy on, no, no. If he was any good, he would say, yes, this. In the past, I have said that you're correct. In fact, you can quote me if you want. But the way I see it now, it's different.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you should.

[Adam Curry]

That's all you have to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

You should just say they were.

[Adam Curry]

What I just said is all you have to say. And then the guy with the best report, because Besson always had this rehearsed. The. The best he could say was, well, what's different about it? And then if Stephanopoulos was keeping up, he said, there's a lot different about it. It's a. It's a different circumstance. We were. They pulled the plug with a very. We. There's a pushback against the big beautiful bill, which was something they didn't want. And then he could start to bore him with bull crap and then Bessant would have to back off. Beset could lose this. But no, he knows that Stepanopoulos is lousy.

[John C. Dvorak]

All he had to say was, I saw a bird today. It would have been fixed. The president has also come forward with a new proposal overnight, saying it's time instead to do away with Obamacare, instead to have the money go directly to the people. Do you have a formal proposal to do that? We don't have a formal proposal. But you know, what I have noticed over time is the Democrats give all these bills the Orwellian names, the Affordable Care Act, Inflation Reduction Act, Patriot Act, Republicans, and we end up with just the opposite. You know, the Affordable Care act has become unaffordable, and the Inflation Reduction act set off the greatest inflation in 50 years. He was well prepared for this. Well, I'm a little confused because the president posting about that overnight and into this morning. But you're not proposing that to the Senate right now. We're not proposing it to the Senate right now, no. Then why is the president posting about it? Because he's trolling you. George. George. The president's posting about it. But again, we have got to get the government reopened before, you know, we do this. We are not going to negotiate with terrorists. The Democrats, until they reopen the government. It's very simple. Reopen the government, then we can have a discussion. By the way, the word around town on the shutdown. And when I say the word around town, you know what I'm talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

90 days. What? 90 days.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so that's good news. That means it won't be 90 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's as far. Because that's the first thing I said. Oh, well, it'll be over next week then. Yeah, that's the word around town that, that's the whisper number. Oh, no. And, and the, and it goes like this. Yeah, it's going to be the. Trump's gonna keep it shut down for 90 days so he can really find out what we really need to pay and get rid of all the other stuff we don't need to pay for. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The problem, of course, with the 90 days theory is that that's way past Thanksgiving, people. Even though the joke, the comedians joke of the day, all of them are. And Bill Maher even used it on his monologue, which is that, oh, Thanksgiving, they were not going to be able to travel so we won't have to see our lousy relatives. This is good news, not bad news. So that's the joke. And he, the fact is that there's enough weak knee Democrats that are moderates that are going to be worried and are going to have to, because they're going to take it up to 20%. And like you said, which has not been discussed. The fact is you can't just knock it down 10 or 20% without causing scheduling issues across the board making things terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's going to be horrible.

[Adam Curry]

So you so demise will shut down the whole system.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and by the way, that shuts, that shuts down cargo. It shuts down Amazon. It shuts down everybody. Hey, and explain this to me just while we're on the topic. So our UPS guy, I know all our people, I know our mail, our mail carrier, I know the UPS guy, I know them all because it's the same people. So he drops off a package for Tina and he's got another guy with him with, with like a, an orange vest on with, you know, all he missed was a hard hat and a clipboard. And like, what is this going on? He rings the bell, hey, how you doing? UPS guy. He says, hey, good, yeah. Just want to introduce you to this guy. For the holidays we have a lot of civilians. It was funny. He said civilians.

[Adam Curry]

He said civilians.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said civilians, yeah. Well, that means he won't have the full uniform, but he'll have the vest on. And I saw the vest. It was a orange reflective vest. It had UPS on it. He said, and they'll just be in there. So basically a doordash guy, it was an older gentleman. He actually had his head bowed a little bit. I was like, hey, hey, civilian, how you? I said, hey, civilian, how you doing? I shook his hand. He said, yeah, I just want you to Know that. So if you see someone with a regular car driving up, you don't get, get freaked out. You have to say that in Texas because we come out guns blazing, dogs loose. I just thought it was interesting. Didn't they fire like 30,000 people and now they're hiring civilians to jump in for the Christmas rush.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what's going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Anyway, final clip from Besant. I'm skipping over everything, and now we go to the, the dividend. Everybody gets money. Do you have a proposal, a formal proposal to give a $2,000 dividend to every American? I haven't spoken to the President about this yet, but, you know, it could, the $2,000 dividend could come in lots of forms in lots of ways, George. You know, it could be just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the President's agenda. You know, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security, deductibility of auto loans. So. So, you know, those are substantial deductions that are being financed in the tax bill. I want a check. I want a check.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's chicken. That's exactly what he said. He gave it away. You're not getting a check. That's what you're getting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I want to check.

[Adam Curry]

You're getting a deduction on your loan for your car.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to check with President Trump's face on it and his signature. Happy, smiling. Here you go, citizen. Here's $2,000. That's what I want.

[Adam Curry]

Good promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's what he should be doing, you know, because we're taking in billions and trillions and, and gazillions of money. Yes. So anyway, I, I sincerely hope, because you're right, a lot of our producers work in government and I have to say most of them are, are pretty upbeat still because, of course, there are no agenda listeners. And they were prepared, they saved some money because they, huh, this is probably going to happen somewhere down the road. So they made sure they had contingency to run this when this happened, but it's hurting a lot of people. It's getting real now. And, boy, this coming from Friday when we're up to 10%. I think you're pretty much going to see passenger travel at a standstill.

[Adam Curry]

You know, you did the right thing by not traveling.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We canceled our vacation and Tina's immediately, like, oh, we can do this. We can go here, we can go there. I need a new MacBook. Like, what? What? She does need a new MacBook.

[Adam Curry]

Take a vacation. I got an idea?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Take a vacation in Dallas. Dallas is a great town.

[John C. Dvorak]

We actually have discussed that about going up to Dallas because Dallas has this new. Now what was it called?

[Adam Curry]

How far is it to drive to Dallas for you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Five hours? About five hours.

[Adam Curry]

That's not that bad. It's like me going to Reno.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm trying to think the name of this. They have this new thing called cosm. Cosm, Dallas C O S M dot com and you, you can, well, you can see sports games there. It's kind of like a miniature sphere in Vegas only it's much smaller. It's for a couple hundred people and you can see they have a couple of movies that you can see and they have games, I think the Matrix is playing. They have a special version of it. It's a complete immersive experience. And with the games, I'm not as, you know, not a sports ball guy, but man, I mean they have, they had, they have you literally sitting on the 50 yard line and then it switches and the whole thing swivels around and then you're behind the goal posts and then you're.

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking at it now.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's super cool. My buddy Vic told me about this on. I'm like, wow, you should go to this. I might go to it. We might go.

[Adam Curry]

You spend it. You go to you. There's a couple great hotels in Dallas. You can spend the night.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I could.

[Adam Curry]

And there's some good restaurants in Dallas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

The only problem with Dallas in my opinion is the people that live there.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they're fun to watch.

[Adam Curry]

They got high, they're arrogant. They think that Dallas is the greatest place in the world. They wouldn't live any place else ever. Wouldn't even consider it. Yeah, they're self absorbed. A lot of pretty girls and they're all self absorbed and they're all Dallas girls.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I've always liked about Dallas, you go in the restaurant, it's much more. I mean we're white, we're a white town. You go to Dallas, there's just all kinds of good looking people of all colors. You immediately realize, wow, we live in a really white town in Fredericksburg. It's enjoyable and I got friends up there, so you're right. Maybe we'll do that. We might. I'll have a boots on the ground from Dallas.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, with that I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put President Trump's picture on the two thousand dollar check. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. John C. Divorce. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, you miss in the morning, I ship Seab the graphene, the air subs in the water, dames and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning. To the trolls in the troll room, stop when they count you. 1930, still a little bit low, but we're. We're crawling back. We had a lot of DNS issues and stuff for a while there, and I think a lot of people going to give up. Just going to give up.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

It happens.

[Adam Curry]

Mimi's complained a couple of times about right in the middle of the show, it goes to a different show and then comes back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's a network issue. It's amazing any of this stuff works at all, man. I'm really.

[Adam Curry]

I know I always say that. When I say it, she says, you're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. When you remind people of that, you say, remember when you used to call me from a.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, we're doing this over the Internet. I'm in California, he's in Texas. We don't have much latency. Almost any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Almost none.

[Adam Curry]

No, not with the system we're using. And we have a. And it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

It works.

[Adam Curry]

Do you remember you do it for three hours or plus. Well, actually more than three hours, unfortunately, but which is long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Uninterrupted. Yak, yak, yak, yak, yak. And, and.

[Adam Curry]

And fidelity's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

I used to have a whole 19 inch rack filled with gear and wires and patch cat cables. And now it's just one box. It's got it all in there. The same names. I used to have 19 inch rack thing. Ampex, you know, Ampex used Apex. I'm sorry, Apex used to have.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was the big bottom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's right. The Apex big. I still have the big bottom. 19 inch. I have the big bottom. I have.

[Adam Curry]

I have one of them in the class.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got big bottoms. Yes. I had my Warsanis soundproof processor. I mean, all kinds of stuff. We did. And now. I mean, it's amazing. It's amazing. I remember back in.

[Adam Curry]

What do you remember there, Jeb?

[John C. Dvorak]

Back in the mid-90s when I had. We had the Think New ideas. My company, we were going all over the country and I mean, then you didn't have Zoom. You know, you needed to pitch something to Budweiser, Anheuser Busch. You went to St. Louis, you got on a plane. Granted, there was no tsa. You just walked to the gate and there was five. You. You got to go through that little metal. The Couple of ladies standing there with, with wands. Let me wand you. Okay, you threw your keys in the, in the little box. Okay, fine. Yep. Yeah, wand you. And then you just walk to the gate. But you need to do pitch. You had to fly places. And now we just do zoom, Zoom, baby, just zoom. You, you do a pitch on zoom as fancy. So this is when Christina was 4 or 5 years old and I got one of the first video telephones. Man, I wish I still had it. And I don't even remember what it was, what brand it was, but it was a white phone. It had a receiver. You pick up the receiver, you know, push buttons to call and it had a little screen on it which it tilt up and then you'd connect to the phone on the other end and then you'd get like one frame per every three seconds, like, hey, it's dad. Now it's just, now it's just a FaceTime right from the palm of your hand. If people don't realize this is amazing, now you want a song, you just say, give me a song. Your phone gives you a song or you say, hey, make me say some art. Now strangely enough, you still have to have some funny in you to tell the computer what to do, but at least you can do it. Hey, just give me some art. That's the world we live in. Appreciate it. You know, I was looking, this is your bonus content. I was looking at the cost of running my own AI model at home. Because the biggest problem with, you know, as, as we discussed on the last episode is getting consistency. So if I wanted to clone my voice and have it consistently sou the same, after some tweaking of the model and training, you can do that, but not when you're in a cloud type scenario where you might be hitting another machine or literally the temperature changes in the data center. I mean, there's all kinds of variables that make it impossible for these cloud based AI models to consistently deliver you the same results. I mean, you can type in the same, same prompt. You'll get something different every single time.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I've been watching a lot of these YouTubers and they've got, they've got huge Nvidia, you know, stacks. They're doing comparisons with the top end Nvidia GPU and the, the Mac G, what is it? The M M4 Super Pro, which has 512 gigs of RAM which you can use for either CPU or GPU. And the results are very similar to what you get out of ChatGPT. Or grok the cost. 10 to $15,000.

[Adam Curry]

That's actually not that bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but is it. So is that what this is costing, like, to have Adam vibe code at home? Are they running like a $10,000 install for me?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

No wonder they're going. They're going out. I mean, well, they're not going broke.

[Adam Curry]

Going broke. That's the joke of it. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because people keep shoveling money in.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's a Ponzi scheme.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's amazing.

[Adam Curry]

It's. It's a Ponzi scheme. They always work well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until they don't.

[Adam Curry]

Until they don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Until they don't. Yeah, well.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I see there's a big discussion now about. Well, Sam Altman is basically saying we're too big to fail. So, you know, if, if Nvidia. Well, Nvidia is okay, but if Chad, if OpenAI starts to stumble, can't get money, then maybe just go to the government and say, well, you know, Mr. Trump and Mr. President, this is, you know, this. We're in a race.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The problem with that theory is, is simple. Elon Musk, because Elon Musk has got Trump's here. Trump is going to say, what do you think about these guys? Too big to fail. Elon Musk, who has a feud with the ChatGPT guys. They're going to say, no, let him sink. Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's the bonus clip, since we're talking about him.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Love him or hate him, Elon Musk boldly goes where others don't dare in space, inserting himself into politics and social media with his takeover and rebrand of Twitter as X.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's had just as many failures as yet, has had successes.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

His latest success, convincing 75% of Tesla shareholders to approve a record 1 trillion dollar pay package. $1 million is a big pile of cash, the equivalent of nearly a century of work for the average human. One billion is a hefty pile. And the number of stars in our Milky Way galaxy? $1 trillion. One with 12 zeros. Think of it as row upon row of bills filling a football field completely. The monster payout is contingent on Tesla's autonomous vehicles, robo taxis and humanoid robots, all seeing incredible success. Profit needs to skyrocket along with Tesla stock.

[John C. Dvorak]

The fact that one in four shareholders wanted to go in another direction, direction, I think, is telling. There was no concern that Elon Musk might quit as CEO if he didn't get what he wanted.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

An endorsement of Elon's ability to steer the EV maker. Even as Sales and profit tumble.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a referendum on the very future of technology.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

A vote of confidence in Musk's vision for the future of robotics and AI. Analysts say this record compensation sets a precedent pushing other tech CEO to ask for more. The deal was so controversial that even the Pope weighed in, voicing concern about rising income inequality at a time when many warned the AI bubble could come crashing down.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, what a publicity stunt.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's great.

[Adam Curry]

He's not getting a nickel. And this guy, by the way, the word, if you hear the word, there's two words I always look at as code. Telling. Oh, it's telling. It's telling.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's telling.

[Adam Curry]

Telling. It's code for your left winger. Chilling is another one. If you see that anyone using it. Oh, it's chilling. Oh, what he did was chilling that left wing code. These are communists.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, increasingly good Texas boys. Good friends of mine who drive trucks. Trucks. Like a periodontist, a dentist. He's a good friend. Friends of mine, born and raised in tech Elpat. One in El Paso, one here in Fredericksburg. Sixth generation Fredericksburg German. He lives on the compound with the family. 400 acre ranch buying Teslas. And they're kind of like, ah, yeah, I know, I bought a Tesla. I'm like, what are you, a communist? What are you doing? Said you're buying battery cars. And they say, yeah, I gotta admit, I just really like being able to drink that extra beer and have the car drive me home. These things are outrageous. They do indeed. Drive you complete self drive. No hands on the wheel, no touching it every 30 seconds. They drive you all the way home. It's. It is compelling, I have to say.

[Adam Curry]

What are you going to get one so you can have a beer?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

How about this for an idea? Don't drink and drive. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's cheaper to get a driver. That's my like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And those testers are expensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, once you get a guy with a hat to drive you, that's cheaper.

[Adam Curry]

I got Robert, Garage blows up. You'll know the reason why.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just, I'm just amazed. I'm amazing. Well, you know, Elon Musk is now saying, oh, the next Tesla might fly. If he builds a car that flies, I'm in even.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, okay. He said this about that. What you were referring to there is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Roadster to the Roadster 2. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which some people have already put their down payment on 200 grand or whatever it is. And, and yes, he made that. He. This guy is a master of promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, he's seen as an industrialist and all these other things and he's smart, he's not dumb guy, but his real skill is in promotion and he does it like falling off a log. It's so easy for him. The trillion dollar deal and gets the Pope to say something. Give me a. What's the Pope got to do with it?

[John C. Dvorak]

I would love the Pope to say, what is up with this podcast? There's on no agenda. This is, this is. Please, Pope, please, please, I beg of you, say that. Yeah, no, he is the master. There's so many flying car scams out there and, and yeah, sure, they'll fly for 20 minutes. You can't go anywhere.

[Adam Curry]

It may. It's compounded by the fact that he's electric only.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is so the thing.

[Adam Curry]

If it gets in the air, I mean, maybe good, you can fly over a traffic jam and land again and get back on the road. Maybe that would do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. And you always. When these Tesla guys said, did you go to Dallas in your Tesla? Yeah, I did. How'd it go? It went great. I said, did you have coffee? Yeah, I love, you know, we had like, you know, 30 minutes of coffee break on. Oh, because you were charging.

[Adam Curry]

Brunetti drove his cyber truck to Hollywood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He must have stopped along the way.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he has a long story. Yeah, he did a couple of times. And apparently they have it set up. The truck. Truck itself sets you up. So you can have these short stops along the way. Yeah, you just get a little.

[John C. Dvorak]

The navigator tells you 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there, 10 minutes there. Like, like a douche. Get your, get. Listen, get Alex, get yourself a Corvette, you know, maybe a. Maybe get a 67, you know, cool looking one.

[Adam Curry]

Actually, the newest Corvettes are the coolest looking ones. The brand new ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the mid engines, they're beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

They're just gorgeous.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I'm talking to a movie guy, a Hollywood guy. Get yourself a 67 Corvette, red with that white panel on the side and have her put.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you're thinking 57 with the white.

[John C. Dvorak]

Panel on the side. I'm sorry, 57, you're right. Get a scarf for Alex. You know, her head's in a scarf. The scarf is flying. You got your shades on, James.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Her scarf gets caught in the wheels and she. And she has her head pulled off. A lot of publicity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is true. That would be good for his next movie. Hollywood producer wife killed in freak accident in the Corvette. But that's romantic. Driving that ugly box and stopping 10 minutes everywhere along the road. That is the antithesis of America, my friend. That is not who we are.

[Adam Curry]

You tell him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to tell him. I may have to. I may take a vacation out to the. The ranch, but if I drove my buddy's Tesla, it would take me three weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Three weeks to get there for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everywhere. All right, so back to the AI. Of course, this is a value for value podcast. And I do want to mention that you probably want to try out one of those modern podcast apps. Podcast Guru is my daily driver. I really love it. Just as one of them you can find atpodcast guru apps.com. and there's great strides being made. They're doing more with value for value now. Strides. It's called strides.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, Strides.

[John C. Dvorak]

Strides. It strides. It's value for value. You can boost us. You can boost right into the show. It shows up through stripe. You can leave a message even. It should work. We'll get the money. Maybe the message, send us an email to make sure. And this is groovy. So get one of those. Don't buy a Tesla. Boost the show. And value for value v4v, also known as vaccines for vegans. But we say value for value. That means whatever value you get out of the show, just send it back to us. You can do it with time, talent or treasure. Now the talent. We do have a lot of talented people. In fact, the artwork for episode 1814. Hold on a second, let me get my. Nashownotes.com we titled that needle drop, which a lot of people thought was very funny, that I explained for 20 minutes what that was. And I think some people appreciated it because they didn't know what needle drop was. Or taping your spouse as a boundary violation. Who knows what taping is anymore?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's true. Now, by the way, the needle drop thing came up at the dinner conversation. And when you, when you say it, the first thing that came up with like, oh, it's so silent you could hear a needle drop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, interesting. But that's pin. That's a pin drop.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I, I realize it's a pin. That's what the saying is. But that's the first thing that came to mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really. They didn't think about a, A vinyl disc.

[Adam Curry]

Not immediate. Well, actually, then they, once I explained it, they'd say, oh, yeah, so we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were thinking about it needed explaining. That's the point right there. Explaining. So the artwork, which is always very important. NoaGenDartGenerator.com is where you can upload all of your AI slop came to us from Nessworks. A real artist. And this was an artist at work. I don't know what tools he used, but this gigachad with the vinyl and then the C prompt, go to Toe Tapper. The way the robot gigachad was positioned, positioned in front of the no agenda letters. This is high quality work here. I don't think this was 100% AI, do you?

[Adam Curry]

No, not at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

It may not. In fact, it may be zero way.

[Adam Curry]

That AI could even come close to this. For one thing, that thing at the top. Go to Toe Tapper. This AI is never going to produce that. It'd be misspelled.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way. Gitmojams.com everybody, it's up and running. Getmojams.com. all your AI slop all the time. 24 7. End of show mixes. AI slop. Soon it will be the place to get your AI music. So go to Toe Tapper was perfect. That. That was the deal clincher right there. Yeah, that was perfect. And Nessworks. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Good job. Let me just see what else was there that we looked at at the generator. Let's take a quick little.

[Adam Curry]

I like the piece next to the slop thing from Coach Joe, but it was not going to be used because you couldn't read anything on it. But I thought it was a cute piece. We didn't talk about it. I used the dawn of a Better Day from Jeffrey Ray.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Which one?

[Adam Curry]

For the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

With the New York or with the sunrise?

[Adam Curry]

The New York with the sunrise in the back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah. It was very orange. Of course it's Jeffrey Ray. You know, if you see orange, you don't think Trump.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't that bad. It didn't bother me so much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even the letters are orange. This should be.

[Adam Curry]

I do like Jeffrey Ray also did the Tucker 2. And the letters are white. She's actually got white in there somehow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but look how washed out that thing is.

[Adam Curry]

What? Tucker 2.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tucker 2. It's washed out.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't look washed out to me. That might be you. Oh, we obviously have to remind people that you're colorblind.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's washed up. That's not washed out. It's washed up, not washed out. You have to understand, that's the email I get at least. Least once a day. You washed up, vj. Luckily, Mossad is paying the bills.

[Adam Curry]

Say yes. I shower daily.

[John C. Dvorak]

Luckily Mossad is paying the bills. We're all good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we're not paying the bills. We're not. We're not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, man, we got. We got.

[Adam Curry]

Where's our intelligence money? We haven't seen that for a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, No. I don't know. Well, they're all furloughed. No one.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, they're probably all. Yeah, that's probably true.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the problem. That's the. So keep, keep trying, everybody. Once again, it is. It still takes creative thoughts, good ideas. I don't care what tool you use, good ideas result in good product. And there were some. Some. No, there weren't a lot of good ideas. Honestly, just a few.

[Adam Curry]

No, the. This piece. One.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hands down. Hands down. So now we go to the treasure portion of our value for value model. This is where we thank everybody $50 and above. So we're very transparent. Can't get more transparent than that. And we tell you exactly who sent it to us. And we have a special segment for those fortunate enough to be able to send US$200 or more. In that case, we'll thank you. Of course, we'll read your notes as a thanks. And we will also give you an official Hollywood title. You too can be just like Brunetti and be an associate executive producer of the best podcast in the universe. Now, you can't be Brunetti because if you're $300 or more, you become an executive producer. That's a much bigger deal than Brunetti. And you can even stand next to him [e-mail] and we will read your note. So right off the bat, saving our bacon, literally saving our bacon, is Sir Kevin, Keeper of the the Spee, which I think is his dog from Portland, Oregon. He comes in with a Rubbleizer boost. India tango mike standby 33. 33. 33. Rubberizer out. That's right. He comes in with $3,333.34, which is one extra, extra penny, which. Let me see what he says here. Itm good sirs, with this rubberizer donation, duly modified by one penny. There it is. One penny. To observe all proper and official customs, I would like to hereby be known as Sir Kevin, Keeper of the spee, Secretary General and Duke of Portland. You got it. Title change everything. All set. And he also gets an international peace prize with your blessings, as always. Long liveth payments sent by. What is this square? What does it say here, John?

[Adam Curry]

I have to look at it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Long liveth payment sent by.

[Adam Curry]

Let me look. Long liveth payment by Squirk. By Squire. It says squire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Long livethat notes of brevity. Oh, yes. And long liveth no agenda. Your humble servant, producer Sir Kevin Keeper of the speed. Thank you. Thank you, Sir Kevin. Really appreciate it. This was needed, as you'll hear. Short. Well, it would have been a short donation segment if some people hadn't sent in long notes.

[Adam Curry]

The. I will say that he sent this in a while back. 1031 notes. Notice the date.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. What is up with that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's been good. We've got back and forth where's. How come this hasn't shown up? He's wanted this to show up forever. So here we are. November 6th or 7th? 8th. 8th. 9th. It took a week. Over A week. Week and a half or something. Or I guess a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it a check?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

There's a check in two notes. He has a second note which you may have a copy of, but it wasn't meant to be read.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have a second note. No, I don't.

[Adam Curry]

No. I should have. You should have got a copy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry, don't have it. Was it personal?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I was just saying what a great guy I am and you're mean to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's personal. Obviously it was something like that. Oh. So this next note is a request for me to read it in my best.

[Adam Curry]

Your note to read because he wants you to read it as Mark Ruta.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's a she. She is Loose Von Upset. Ceylon Koloff from Halo in the Netherlands.

[Adam Curry]

333 is a female's name in Holland.

[John C. Dvorak]

Luce Loose is a female name.

[Adam Curry]

Hilo is L, O E S. Loose.

[John C. Dvorak]

Loose. Yes. That's a very, very female Dutch name. Loose Hoy. Adam, please read this in your best Mark Rutte voice. Dear Adam and John, I'm listening to your show since the end of 2018 after being hit in the mouth for many, many times by my husband. Oh, it hurts. You have been the voice of reason and kept me sane during the vape wars. I worked in a vape shop. A vape shop.

[Adam Curry]

That is Vape shop.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is amazing that you worked in the vape shop. That is fantastic. She goes on to say, I wanted to be a dame for my 40th birthday on the 9th of November. Please put me on the birthday list. But inflation and other financial setbacks don't make. Didn't make it possible. It's possible now, ain't it? Yes, it's very good. Still, I wanted to donate. You give me a lot of value. More than I can ever pay you back every time I Doubted if I should donate it. I saw a lot of 33s 11118008 coming by the supermarket. I work, so the universe is telling me to donate. So please deduce me.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yingles vape wars. Look at that use. And it's true. Please give my husband Pelosi jobs. Karma. He starts a new job in January and a travel karma for us because we're going to visit friends in America during Christmas. Four more years from Loose. Hey, Loose. Tell me where you're going to be. Are you going to be anywhere near Texas? I will come to see you. That would be fun. And bring some Dutch licorice, please. Wars. Yes, it was wars. Wars. Unavail. Big E cigarette. Pew, pew, pew. Oh my gosh, can you see that juice? That's true.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I should say that all dudes Dutch people know this, that whenever you visit someone from a Dutchman or someone who grew up in Holland who no longer lives in the country, you have to bring Dutch licorice with you. And the other day someone sent me four bags of Dutch licorice. It's like crack. Most Americans hate it. It's salty black licorice. But oh man, it's so good.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a vegeta marm meat. Marmite. Marmite. Yeah, it's like Vegeta Marmite. Salty and terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's wonderful. It's so good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, salty and terrible. Especially if you're going to bring something in from Holland. Tell them to bring in some of the Dutch absinthe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice bull, right? Rock Salma, Yakbala, Engelsodrop. Those are some of my favorites.

[Adam Curry]

Switcheroo from the indie meetup. $300 came in and this is the longest note ever. And I'm not sure that they want us to read this whole note, but it's a switcheroo to sir Ohio bloke from the Buckeye State checking in. Another late stage boomer here who absolutely loves it when you two launch into Boomer talk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there was winning.

[Adam Curry]

Winning, winning. It's always spot on and never fails to crack me up. Been on board since around episode 200 and truly appreciate the twice weekly dose of Santity, my human resource span three generations, Millennial, Gen X, Gen Alpha. And let me tell you now, let me tell you, much of what you say about the younger generation rings true in my own ATRI HR department. The good news is. The good news is all of mine can read an analog Clock. Yeah. And know how to use a tape measure. So there's still hope out there. Make the short hope over to the short. Hope the short hop over to the New England, New Northeast, Northeast Indiana next week and East New England to me Indiana next weekend for the India and a tri state short and long barrel safety meetup brought along, sir. Son of a bloke for another one of my Gen Z sons. Okay. Goes on and on.

[John C. Dvorak]

They sent a lot of lead downrange at pumpkins. That's. That's what their meetup was. It was a shooting.

[Adam Curry]

You shooting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, shooting at pumpkins. I love it. I love it.

[Adam Curry]

And he goes on JCD's tip. I tracked down some old crow 86, or it's actually just crow 866 to throw it into the raffle. Excellent stuff. Yeah. Okay. And then he wraps it up with I can't read because it's off the spreadsheet.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says we even got droned again at the end of a great photo group. Great group photo. The perfect wrap up to an awesome meetup. Finally, could you add my youngest Lucy to the birthday list? She turned 11 last Friday. I believe she's on there. So no worries. Then we have Nathan Parker from Seattle, Washington. 222.22. A row of ducks. No note. So a double up. Karma for Nath Parker.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Eli the coffee guy. As the government shutdown drags into November, which it has done, delays are everywhere from airports to food stamps, plus the paychecks of the federal workforce. At least coffee deliveries are still running on time.

[John C. Dvorak]

So far. Yes, so far.

[Adam Curry]

Order now. So visit Giggott Coffee Roasters.com, use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. P.S. can you add the United States Marine Corps to the birthday list on 11 10? Happy 250th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Semper fi, sir. Q checks in from Cisco, Texas. $210.60. I'm donating because I spent $17 on an eight part series that Sean Ryan. Ryan put out. He's charging money now.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what he's talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know who Sean Ryan is.

[Adam Curry]

The name rings a bell, but I don't know who he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a Sean Ryan podcast. He's a. He's a big, big. He's a former CIA millman.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that guy. Yeah, yeah, I know who it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Seems like a nice guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it probably is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's charging money, so $17 in an eight part series that Shawn Ryan put out. Here's the kicker. I should have saved my money and sent it to you guys. You should have though. It was about psyops and had good info in it. It seemed like the series was a psyop itself.

[Adam Curry]

Probably was.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a radio lab type of audio only, stress fest, Psyops, radio lab, something like that, I guess. Listening to no Agenda, I get the same deconstruction with none of the stress. Thanks, says Sir Q of Eastland County. No, thank you very much, brother.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. Linda Loupatkin. She's in Lakewood, Colorado. Wants jobs, karma and writes for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's impossible. Mystery Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then finally on our list, we have $200 that came in in some bitcoin through the strike, which you can [e-mail]. there's no name, no note. You got to send us a note, Dan.

[Adam Curry]

It should be just put subject line.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donation Y. Bitcoin donation. Might even. Might even. Well, we can. We can match it. So you will get a double up, Karma. Thank you, Bitcoiner.

[Adam Curry]

You've got.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that wraps up our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1815 in our 19th year of the best podcast in the universe. You can support the show and we'd like you to consider that we do this as a public service. We've been doing it for a long time. You just heard it there. Why waste your money on other products when you can just send some value back for the value you receive? V for V, baby. It's the new international lifestyle. Go to no Agenda donations dot com. Make any amount your donation at any time. You can even set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. No agenda donations dot com. Thank you to our executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this.

[John C. Dvorak]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Oh, my gosh. Can you see that juice? Shut up.

[Adam Curry]

I have a series of clips. Oh, a series about this Came out last year.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's.

[Adam Curry]

And I don't know why we haven't played these clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't tell.

[Adam Curry]

This is about the Hillary bribe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, is this the overstatement stock CEO? Yeah, we've played this.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember playing it. I would have remembered this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Okay. I don't Want you to think I'm mean to you.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you are mean to me, but that's beside the point. Can you look it up and see if we played these?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course we played these. What's the guy's name again?

[Adam Curry]

Patrick. Bryce.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not Bryce.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's Bryce.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not Patrick. Bryce.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's Patrick something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Byrne. Patrick Byrne.

[Adam Curry]

Burn. Patrick Byrne. Exactly is what I said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Patrick. Patrick burn. Okay, I can find it for you.

[Adam Curry]

This will be good because then I don't have to play these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hillary, Let me do the search. Is Patrick and Hillary. Here it is. I have. This is a long time ago, actually. Let's see.

[Adam Curry]

Stop that now. And first thing she's going to do when she becomes president is she's going to send her goons over to the FBI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember this?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is from.

[Adam Curry]

What was the date this then?

[John C. Dvorak]

November 1, 2020.

[Adam Curry]

That's interesting, because the problem I have with it, I'm wondering. It's the same clips, because he talks about the Durham report in these clips and he. This could be a reiteration of what could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do it then, because it's still.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know. You know, I hate to play repetitive clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me. Let me just. Five years ago, let me just summarize. This is where he was given. He was supposed to give Hillary a bribe. She actually took the money, and then she went down the elevator, and he went in the elevator, and then the FBI.

[Adam Curry]

There's no elevator. Talking this way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, and then the FBI says, no, no, we're not talking about it. It's over.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got to forget this ever happens.

[Adam Curry]

I think this is a repeat of the old story, so I don't think we need to play it. But again, it's five years old. It might be worth playing again to remind people, but I'm going to say no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I'll go. Go on your. No, yeah, yeah, but people can look it up.

[Adam Curry]

Just go to YouTube and, you know, Hillary, bribe. I thought it was a disgusting tale and. Sorry, I didn't remember. Let's go to Tariff doom. How about that for an idea?

[John C. Dvorak]

Tariff Doom.

[Adam Curry]

And you said. Since you like the way I spell tariff, I made sure to spell it even better.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been over seven months. There's no ss.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's because the SS came earlier. So you're not going to play that same jingle again. So I just reneged on the second ss.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been over seven months since President Trump enacted those sweeping duties on goods from nearly every country. And one of the questions before the Supreme Court this week, who's paying them? NPR's Juliana Kim joins us. Juliana, thanks for being with us.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Happy to be here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have we seen retail prices change, change in the past seven months?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So far, prices have gone up, you know, for coffee, clothing, furniture, things that are almost exclusively imported. But Interestingly, only about 20% of the tariff burden has actually made it to retail prices. That's according to Erica York, an analyst at the Tax Foundation, a group that advocates for simplifying the tax code. She told me companies probably had stockpiles of products before tariffs hit. And also a lot of businesses held off changing prices while there was some uncertainty or around tariff rates. But that strategy is beginning to change and companies are starting to pass higher costs to the consumer. Economists say that's going to become more common in the months ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

What could costs look like in the next year?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So there's some different numbers floating around. The Tax foundation estimates that if tariffs stay in place throughout next year, a household could face an average burden of $1,600. I also asked this question to Ken Smetters, the faculty director at the Penn Wharton Budget Model, and he, he estimates that existing tariffs could tack on as much as 1% to your average spending. So if you spent $50,000 a year, that's an extra $500. Keep in mind, prices are just one part of the story. You know, tariffs can also lead companies to slow hiring or cut wages, which isn't good news for an already weakening job market.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, this was a couple things.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to have to come back to grips with these high tariffs and, and reestablishing American manufacturing is not going to save the consumer money. The Chinese can produce products and have them shipped over here cheaper than we're ever going to be able to make the product, no matter how good we are. So, I mean, we, but we, nobody wants to admit this and they, they're faulting Trump. I mean, it's more important to have the jobs over, over here and suffer a little bit. So, you know, so your, your bird, you know, your little birdhouse you bought at Joann's or wherever you got this thing is, you know, you got for a buck and a half is going to cost you 250. I mean, it's fine. You're just going to but this idea that things are going to be cheaper when we're cutting off the supply of cheap junk is unlikely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Part two, of course, exit Polls from Q racers this week show that the cost of living and the are the biggest concerns for voters. How do you think tariffs have played into that?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Tariffs have pushed prices higher, but for the most part the increases have been fairly modest. That being said, many Americans are struggling with inflation fatigue. I spoke to Michelle Florio, a paraprofessional in New Jersey. As she says she's held off buying a new car and a mattress because tariffs have made them too expensive. And even her holiday plan plans are changing.

[Adam Curry]

I have been giving baked goods as gifts for 53 years and now I don't know what. Wait a minute.

[John C. Dvorak]

Baked goods.

[Adam Curry]

She makes baked goods as gifts, but now she doesn't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe I can't make them because of the tariffs. What is the tariffs got to do? See, this is the problem I'm having with the Democrats in this bullcrap. They extend it to something like baked goods.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's bad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I'm making baked goods. I don't know if I can make the baked goods anymore because the tariffs. Flour so expensive, it's made in somewhere. I don't know where I'm getting it. That's bullcrap.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been watching the quad screen and I've been seeing this developing story and it is worth discussing for a moment.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Breaking news to bring you about the BBC. The BBC chairman has announced that both they do Director General Tim Davy and the new CEO Deborah Tennis are to resign. Let's bring you more on that story. Our culture reporter Norman J. Is with me here. So tell us about the background to this and about the resignation statements. Yeah, that's right. Really significant news that's just come to us in the last few minutes. So both the BBC's director general, Tim Davy, but also Deborah Tunis, who is.

[John C. Dvorak]

The CEO of News, both resigned.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Signing. We've just had that, as I say, in the last few minutes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, that was a useless report, but I know what this is about because I'm looking at all the news. This is over the BBC Panorama episode where they edited Trump together to make it look like he was telling the January 6 protesters to go fight like hell and go storm the Capitol. Do you know anything about this story? This is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have no idea about this. But they. That is scandalous.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the director and the CEO have resigned. I have a clip of the controversy. I actually had it from I think maybe two shows ago. Here, check it out.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, it's the biggest story in town. It turns out American President Donald Trump was onto something.

[Adam Curry]

Where are you from?

[John C. Dvorak]

BBC.

[Adam Curry]

Here's another beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Impartial, free and fair.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sure.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Well, that criticism of the BBC and John Sopel he was talking to there apparently was well founded because the so called impartial and accurate public service broadcaster is nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But.

[Adam Curry]

You are fake news, sir. Go ahead. Can you state categorically that nobody. No, Mr. President.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Because tonight the BBC is facing serious questions over its credibility after the Daily Telegraph exposed a Panorama segment that heavily doctored a speech by the American president in 2021 hours before the infamous January 6 Capitol riot. As you're about to hear, the corporation spliced together two quotes one hour apart to make it seem like he encouraged an insurrection.

[John C. Dvorak]

They played the following clip.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you. And we fight. We fight like hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Trump didn't in fact say this at all. The BBC spliced together two clips that took place 54 minutes apart. So let's go through it again.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, see there between Capitol and, and that's a cut. Here's what Trump actually said.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's different.

[Adam Curry]

It wasn't until nearly an hour later.

[John C. Dvorak]

That he then said the second part of the BBC's version.

[Adam Curry]

We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now they're fast forwarding an hour and we fight.

[Adam Curry]

We fight like hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's the scandal and wow, the North Sea Nexus under attack. Look at what's happened. We got the prince stripped of his title. We've got the imperial ambassador wrapped up in the Epstein affair. Gone. What's his face.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now the, the, the, the director and the CEO of the BBC resigning over this. This is, this is pretty big. That is big, man. I'm glad we caught this on our show day. Thanks for doing this.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of dubious editing. Took place on Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Friday.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have clips on the NewsHour because everybody's in a tizzy. Everybody's in a tizzy over the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes interview, which we, oh, goodness. Which we played a couple of. The guy at the Heritage foundation got into trouble and got kind of booted from, you know, they being accepted as a, I don't know, conservative operation. I don't know what the deal is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he get kicked out of the Heritage?

[Adam Curry]

No, he did There was. They asked him to resign, but he wouldn't. And all he said was, I didn't. You know, but apparently he said it out of the blue. It wasn't. And I'm not even sure that's true. But he says, I think that Nick Fuente's doing Carlson is fine because they were just having a conversation that they both wanted to have. And the reason for the conversation initially, according to Tucker, was they were having an online beef with each other. And so let's, let's put it on the. Let's just have the beef. But, you know, face to face, like you and I do all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is exactly, exactly the, the op that I was talking about. So the other side is now retaliating, and this is the neocon side, and they're retaliating against this guy who you said was too weak and would never be able to kick Lindsey Graham out. I'm not saying that that's not true, but that is exactly the response you would expect that going after that guy.

[Adam Curry]

And so the latest thing is, I think it was today or yesterday or yesterday, probably yesterday, the day before Ben Shapiro shows up on CNN on Jake Tapper show to condemn Tucker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. He's going into the, into the enemy.

[Adam Curry]

Camp, calling him a racist, which is like, you know what, boy, Shapiro is sketchy. We have to remember that he hated Trump. We went through the whole thing in the last show, but then the one that really got me though was on, on Friday on PBS NewsHour, the woman there, Amina, blah, blah, blah, whatever her name is, who's got not a good stage name because I can't remember her name. She did a whole thing, an entire segment on Nick Fuentes and on Tucker, and she said, here's some of the stuff he said. And they took clips from the Tucker show out of context. Completely out of context.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Every one of them was out of context. The whole thing about his misogyny. When. And they played the out of context clips that we, we had in context. We had. Ours were in context as usual, and those were out of context. So to make him sound like an idiot. And then they condemned Tucker. So there's all kinds of. And for Wendy's. Does he have a publicist? This guy's getting more publicity than anybody I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he's the perfect poster child for the moment. It's perfect. It's a perfect kid. He's perfect. It is a lot of material, a lot of very inflammatory material. You know, the, the podcast, the Pot o spear is still Buzzing. Still buzzing. Everyone's all abuzz. Oh, yeah. Going on each other's podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

But this idea of taking stuff out of context and. And rejiggering it to make.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Your point. I was not acceptable.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would like someone to edit Adam and John out of context and make a really funny bit, something we can play.

[Adam Curry]

You can somebody. The guy. If you. If you're a humorist, you could probably make it very amusing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we. We'd like.

[Adam Curry]

Especially if you take that. If you. Especially if you can take. Take an hour out of the conversation and drop some bomb in from the end like the BBC did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Wow, that's fantastic. I mean, that's. You know, who could be next? Who? I. With all of this happening and the. And. And by the way, we don't really have much on it, but of course we have Brennan supposedly getting subpoenaed and Lisa. Lisa Paige and her boyfriend, whatever his name was. You know, people are going to go down this. This. Well, now, I know you're skeptical, but this arctic frost is still hanging in there. And of course, we also have. This was big news from the Blaze, which is quite interesting. One of his reporters did a gate analysis on the January 6th pipe bomber. Have you been following this story?

[Adam Curry]

I've been trying to. They can't seem, you know, the pipe bomber was a bop of some sort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. A former Capitol Police cop who worked for the CIA. Yeah, but I like that they did gait analysis.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know what a gait analysis is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your gait. Someone's gait, how they walk their gait.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the gait.

[John C. Dvorak]

O G a I t. Yes, the gait analysis.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Gait analysis could spot Biden a mile away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so. Exactly. So the first thing is, I think I said right away, that's a woman. That's a woman who's walking with that hoodie. So. Wow. I got that one. But they have other video of her and they did some AI analysis. And the AI gate analysis shows 94% match between the January 6th pipe bomber and an ex Capitol police cop who works for the CIA. I want to see a gait analysis on that. Daddy Long Legs skipping over the lawn. Skipping over the lawn to the helicopter. Give me a gate.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know what do. Do you need a gait analysis? I mean, come on. The guy's legs were five inches longer than Biden's. He didn't, you know, didn't have that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back and forth kind of, you know, the gate analysis. I want to gate get it in.

[Adam Curry]

Grok.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grok. Give me a gait analysis. This is fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

And this, by the way, this wasn't it. But which brings me to another interesting. Another. Another interesting point because I'm so interesting. There was a story, if you remember, about three weeks ago, Biden, who's supposedly dying of all kinds of. You know, he's like a wreck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he rang the bell. He's cancer free.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know that. He is.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what they say.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Well, whatever the case, during his cancer moment, supposedly he and Obama were at the same restaurant. You remember this story? It was about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Several months ago. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And they were at the same restaurant. And Obama never went to just talk to him. And it was like, Obama's a jerk. Because he wouldn't need the vice president. His old buddy is there, and he wouldn't even say hello. And they. Everyone monitored this. And Biden was in the front, outside, in the. I guess in the outdoor eating. And he's eating with somebody. And. And. And the reason he never went and talked to him, because it wasn't Biden.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was some other. It was Daddy long legs.

[Adam Curry]

It was a daddy long legs guy. What's he going to talk to him about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing to say, ma'. Am. I got to get back to my basketball game. I got a. I got a pickup game I got to get to.

[Adam Curry]

And he knew it. And so what Was no reason to talk to him. So that's. The explanation for this is not because by. I mean, Obama might be a jerk, but I don't think that because. But he knows enough to do, you know, public stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. There's that, you know. You're skeptical on Arctic Frost. Yes, I agree with you.

[Adam Curry]

No, I'm not. I'm not skeptical. Arctic Frost. I'm skeptical that they're gonna take action that's gonna be meaningful.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they are. I think that. And it's not Congress. Who gives a crap about Congress? I'm talking about a Department of Justice. You got Ag barbee.

[Adam Curry]

Let me remind me, who's the head of the Department of Justice?

[John C. Dvorak]

Ag Barbee.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And what has she done so far?

[John C. Dvorak]

Hang in there. I have a feeling. I just feel in my water. My water. Water tells me something's coming. Your water. It's a Dutch.

[Adam Curry]

Is that some new thing that you picked up from the Five Bryans?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a Dutchism. No, it's not. It's not from Pastor Jimmy and the Five Brians in Holland, we say, I Feel it on my water. I don't know where it comes from. I have no idea. It's a Dutchism.

[Adam Curry]

Huh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Should we look into the etymology?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't think you need to, but I think we should document some of these.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a Of bunch. Look, it's a giblet. It's a giblet. There's a giblet in there somewhere. All right, well, wait, go back.

[Adam Curry]

If you feel in your, in your water that something's up, we would see it in our bones. Our bones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Well, the Dutch feel it in their water because they live underwater practically. I don't know why they say it.

[Adam Curry]

This is true.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I have this feeling, and it's. Could be hopium. I'll be the first to admit I have this feeling that they all pulled back on the Epstein stuff because that's the big bomb that's coming. I know it sounds crazy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, I know. I'm not going to deny the possibility they're going to, but the Epstein thing is just going to be the release of the documents. And in fact, there was a report that they have one guy that's supposed to be that, oh, this is ridiculous. This, this was on. I think it was pbs. They said, oh, they're worried that, you know, they, they. Mike Johnson's not bringing Congress back.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's got nothing to do because of Epstein. The Epstein?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, because of the Epstein files. Because they got this one guy. They're going to have to, you know, he's going to come in. He's the new Democrat. They're going to change. He's going to add one more vote to getting the Epstein files released. He's going, well, this guy's coming in eventually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, bull crap. But I think you're right. The Epstein files may be a.

[John C. Dvorak]

This coming.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I think they're going to push it off as far as they can. Closest to the midterms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course, that's when you want to do it. By the way, void zero correctly corrects me. He says the, the. The term is actually full of te vater, but I think it's often shortened to water. So I feel it on my tea water. Ah, so that may be like.

[Adam Curry]

That makes it even more obscure. What tea water?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. I can't help you there. Void. What is that from, man? Explain.

[Adam Curry]

It's got to be like reading the tea leaves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe. Maybe something like that. I do have a quick series of three clips to wind this up as this will enrage Every. You know what? I'm not gonna. I'm gonna save these. I'll save these.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wait, what are they about?

[John C. Dvorak]

That cancer.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you don't wanna do cancer.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. It's like every stroke in cancer is blamed on alcohol. It couldn't be anything else. Couldn't be any. It couldn't be any. It was going to be one of those. What?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And then I have two. I have a couple of. I have a funny rant we can finish with.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you got something funny. Let's finish with something funny.

[Adam Curry]

This is the. This is. I think her name is Megan. She's getting really famous online for. She's a black. Very blunt. There's a little cussing going on in this one for people warning. She's a black woman who. Just a tell it like it is type. And she goes off on the trans. The. You know, the bathroom. Ever since this thing happened at the gym.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, but they kicked her out instead of the dude.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Now, I don't know. This is. I don't think this is the same woman, but this woman has been making a fuss and she goes off. She goes off and here it is.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So let me start this off with. I lost my housing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I lost my food stamps.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, wrong one, wrong one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay?

[Adam Curry]

That's the food stamp woman. The one we look at is black woman on Tyrone. Tyrone's rants.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. Oops, tyrants, tyrants.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Okay, so I have a PSA announcement, okay? So I am a woman, okay?

[Adam Curry]

Uterus, cooch, ovaries all night, okay?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

So I am a woman, okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm telling you, we don't want.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Y' all asses in our bathroom, okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't give a damn if you feel like a woman, if you've always felt like a woman, if you think you a woman, if you think you.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Look like a woman, if you feminine.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you act more like a woman than women do, and all this other shit. I'm telling you what it is, ho. We do not want your asses, your, your dick, your beans, your.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Your balls, testicles.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't want y' all in our bathroom, okay?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

You understand what I'm telling you?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't care how you feel. I don't care what you think. I don't care about human rights, civil.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Rights, just rights of transition, of transformation, whatever it is. I don't give a damn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stay y' all asses out of woman's spaces.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

That's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's. Let's stop discussing it, okay? It's not up for discussion. Don't. Do not go into the woman's bathroom. Okay, now that's it.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Just take your ass into the all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gender bathroom or the men's bathroom or go pee in the bush. We don't get a damn. Just don't bring your ass into the woman's bathroom. Okay?

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

We got that. Okay, fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

I'm gonna show my school by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Wow. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Isn't that great?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Yeah. That she's.

[Adam Curry]

She's absolutely phenomenal. So we have the people that donated, which is down to like a total of very few people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That have contributed to today's show. We do have a few of them and Adam's going to read them off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. After I, you know, I was so consumed with that woman that I need to set up a few things here. I'm almost ready. Because, you know, typically when we'd hit this segment, you'd start reading and then I'd set up the thing and I'm done. Okay, there we go. Yes. I'm going to thank the donors. $50 and above. And as John said, it'll go pretty quickly. Valerie Steensland from Kirkland, Washington. 105 5:35. And she says she'll write a real note when her next $100 moves her to be. To what I get to be after damehood. We look forward to that. Kevin McLaughlin. Boom. We're already at 8008 Concord, North Carolina.

[Adam Curry]

Right away.

[John C. Dvorak]

He says be Laos Deo. No, not be Laos. Laos Deo. Did B is part of the Boop Laos Dayo, which translates to praise be God. Be to God inscribed on the top of the Washington Monument facing east towards the rising sun. Miguel Goncalves from London. Hey, there's a Londoner who's still alive. 6969. He says he's very fascinated about our debates about AI and whether there's space in your publishing company for books. There's a question for you, John. Is there?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I sent it off to Jay. She's the publisher.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the publisher. Okay, so you're in the system. Your submission has been taken. Taken into consideration, sir. Tin from Arnold, Maryland. 6008. That's crazy. Boob. Lopsided boob donation and douchebag Call out for Steve. Douchebag, friend of Papa Chew. Further small boobs from Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. And we have Irma Sauso de Lima de Prado from Alsmeer in the Netherlands. Birthday donation $56 plus feeds fees. Would you please read my email? Thank you. I just did. Irma Sausage Lima de Prado. No other.

[Adam Curry]

Did not.

[John C. Dvorak]

No other email received. Okay, then we have. Ah, I got a note about this. He wanted me to mention his nickname, which is Sir Fret Pound Forge. All right, did that one right. From Muncie, Indiana. 5,623. Brittany Miller, Trinidad, Colorado. 5,272. I'm sure these are 50 sports plus fees. Bradley Bowman from Duluth, Minnesota. 52 18. Haven't seen something from Duluth in a long time. 51 from Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa. And Bad Idea Supply. $50.50. 50s are here. Jacob Rotrommel from Decatur, Illinois. Stephen Ray from Spokane, Washington. Edward Mazurek from Memphis, Tennessee. M. Todd Allen in Harriman, Utah. Roderick Brown from Merman, Made. What is PE In Canada?

[Adam Curry]

Prince Edward Island.

[John C. Dvorak]

Prince Edward island, of course. I should have known. We have Rene K. From Utrecht in the Netherlands, Carrie Jackson from Watertown, Tennessee, and Viscountess Knight from Edmonds, Washington. Very short list. We hope that we can do better. We are here as a public service. Don't let us go the way of the Farmers Almanac people. That would be pretty sad. Noagendadonations.com is where you can support the show. The best podcast in the universe. It is value for value. It's all up to you. If you want us to keep going four more years, then keep sending us value. You can send any amount you want. Also set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. Noagendadonations.com and there we have Luz van Obselam Koloff turning 40 on November 9th. And Noah McDonald from Traverse City wishes his smoking hot girlfriend a very happy birthday. She turns 27 on the 9th. And I believe we need to congratulate the United States Marine Corps. They'll be turning 250 years old tomorrow. Happy birthday. Semper 5 for everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Not a douchebag, not by a long shot. We have Sir Kevin Keeper of the Speed, now upgrading his title with that beautiful Rubbleizer donation. He becomes Sir Kevin Keeper of the Spee, Secretary General and the Duke of Portland. And not just that, but he also will be the recipient today of the no Agenda International Peace Prize, as received by the President of these United States and by the team Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. That prize goes to none other than Sir Kevin Keeper of the Spee Secretary General and Duke of Portland. The man has more titles than he can fit on a business card. Congratulations and thank you very much much for supporting your best podcast in the universe. We have exactly one meetup taking place on Tuesday. That will be the Everything is an op meetup. OKC 6 o' clock at the Collective Kitchen and Cocktails in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. And then that's for this week. The rest of this month on the 15th, Colleyville, Texas Fort Wayne, Indiana Albany, California. Get John out of the house. That should be a good one. Central Ohio, Zurich, Switzerland. Please send us your meetup reports, everybody, especially on the 22nd. Charlotte, North Carolina send us a meetup report. Include your server. Wilmington, California on the 22nd. Burlington, Kentucky. We have Spokane, Washington on the 27th and Wageningen Gelderland in the Netherlands on November 29th. Those are your no agenda meetups. Go to noagendameetups.com that's where you can find all of them listed in handy format, catch, calendar or list. And if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's easy. Connection is protection at a no agenda meetup. Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. You want to be where you won't be triggered on Hell. You want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like. And we do have our end of show mixes coming up. Half AI slop and half homemade. It's interesting how when you start introducing a lot of slop that the homemade people say I can beat that. And they're pretty good, I have to admit. Time for the ISOs. These are the clips that with the one clip that will be chosen at the very end of the show to send you off into the rest of your Sunday or Monday whenever you like listening to this show. I only have one. Today you have two. So I will play my one and we'll see if it's a contender.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Okay, bye. I'll just do my own show.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of nasty sounding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's Candace expects.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay, bye.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

I'll just do my own show.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Well, now I know that it's not quite up to the snuff of Alex Jones.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no.

[Adam Curry]

Here's A Scott Simon 1 SS Thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks so much.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, short.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks so much. It's a little short.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Okay. Well, let's go with the with the old standby.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holy moly. That was beyond great. Of course, that is always a winner. AI to the rescue. Time for tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip With JCD and sometimes ad.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, as a pro tip. Pro tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pro tip.

[Adam Curry]

People with dogs. I don't know if anyone noticed us that we have dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got dogs.

[Adam Curry]

They stink. Dogs stink.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our dog is stinking right now. This is good. I'm very excited about this tip because Phoebe is stinking.

[Adam Curry]

Stevie.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Phoebe.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Phoebe. Not like you said. Stevie. A little sibilance going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that's. That's my.

[Adam Curry]

Could be my.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's my teeth. It's a combination of my teeth and your hearing. What?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

The older we get, the more artifacts will be introduced into the show. Hey, John, how are donations today? All right.

[Adam Curry]

Odor side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Odor side.

[Adam Curry]

K O E. Kennel odor. This is from the. We have a kennel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So you need this product. It makes 64 gallons. You get the liquid. It's a odor eliminator. It's called koe, which stands for Kennel Odor Eliminator. And it's for kennels. But it's also good for home cage run runs, cages runs, anything. It's a non enzymatic formula. Fresh scent. It smells like apricots. Actually, Amazon has it as Amazon's choice for making your dog area smell better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, do you spread this on the dog or in the house?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. It just. It's a. You. You get a mop and you get a bucket of water and you put this in there and you mop around. You just mop everything with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, I'm not gonna.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you mop up if you wanted. Hey, give the dog a bath. Okay. Yeah, this is what you're. You're looking for dog bath stuff. This is not for dog bath. Bath. This is for the area that you get the dog in the car too. Out. The car stinks. Oh, yeah, you get the dog in a. You got a kennel, you got some place in the dog cage. It stinks. You use this. K O E. Amazon has it. It's available everywhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. By the way, breaking news from Dreb Scott. Breaking. Hashtag breaking. Three alarms, three. Three revolving lights. Breaking breaking news. A senior Democratic senator says there are enough Democratic votes poised to end the 40 day government shut down. Sorry for the breaking. Couldn't resist. All right, it's breaking, it's breaking. It's all breaking.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Horowitz and I predicted the 10th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? That will be tomorrow. That. I mean, do we have a prop. Can we do it? Are there prop bets on? This has got to be prop bet.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure there's tons of prop bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they have to. They have to do. We need news to cover up the BBC director. We need some news the North Sea Nexus is looking for.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, the calls went out. Oh, we gotta stop people thinking that our news is fake. Come on, guys, vote against it. Wow, that would be good. Well, it'll be nice. It has to. It has to. If it goes to Friday, your Christmas gifts are not coming from Amazon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, there's a lot of pressure.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a pressure cooker. We got a real pressure cooker going on here, everybody. That is John's Tip of the Day. Find them all at tip of the day.net and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. Yeah, that's it, everybody. We conclude our broadcast day. Remember, we do not conform to the way of the world. No, sir. What are you laughing about?

[Adam Curry]

What does that even mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Some people, if you know, you know. If you know, you know. Oh, I love that you reacted that way. That's funny. Of course, we will return on Thursday. One day before chaos or a couple days after everything calms down and gets back to normal again. And then what will we be outraged about? Candace Owens? Please tell me. I need something to get freaked out about. And you're right. Once we knew the 90 days was out in the Potter Sphere and the Fredericksburg area, we knew that it was gonna end soon. Hey, great. End of show mixes. Two real dudes, Deez Laughs and Sir Michael Anthony. Followed by bonald crabtree and MVP with some AI slop. Hear them [e-mail] until Thursday. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry and from northern.

[Adam Curry]

Silicon Valley, where we're finally having our summer, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We come back on Thursday. Until then, please remember [e-mail] we've got knit the rack from the sewer. Up next after the end of show Mix till Thursday, Adios fo fosa, hooey, hooey and such. Adam Curry, John C. Devoir. Whoa, what was that? Well, there. Well, yes, they are a major source. And I can tell you that in the Situation Room, I've seen photographs of fentanyl labs in Canada that the law enforcement folks were leaving alone.

[Adam Curry]

Canada's got a big drug problem even.

[John C. Dvorak]

In their own cities.

[Adam Curry]

Go walk around, you know, Toronto and see what it's like, and you'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

That it's a big problem. And frankly, we have intelligence that Mexican.

[Adam Curry]

Cartels operate in Canada as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please, big man you're in your 50s and gotta stop Please don't worry Parties up in the 6 stop saying the 6 cuz we need a fix City has been lost citizens have paid the cost Talent undeniable Crying unnecessary like moss Posing like you can't afford the lifestyle that you live Going live on ig telling on yourself and your kids Candles, information in your head speaking like a sieve Call it what it is Trying not if you really tried. I mean if you never really tried, then you've never really lived. Hate to say it, look around what is really going down? Mine is mouthing the lyrics to sexy red and pound town Grooming kids done right out in the open Giving your kids to strangers younger than you're hoping there's no interloping Kids are messed up in life but that's not a joke man I'm not joking now. Your kids are messed up for life and that's not a joke. I mean joking yeah, this isn't Hannah, this is next number one Needle drop, needle prop, scratch the record Needle drop, needle drop, scratch the record Back in the day back in the day Ruined the groove, ruined the grooves Needle drop, needle drop Scratch the record Pick up the little grooves in this vinyl Scratching the record Peek, peek up the little grooves this is a hint this is the next number one Needle, needle, needle, needle needle, needle needle in an arm Needle drop, needle prop, scratch the record.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry I asked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well you did ask. In the morning fat lady.

[Adam Curry]

Wake up.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S the moon Adam and John are at the speaker door knocking so loud that you can't ignore slop free deconstruction that you adore. Thanks to all of the wonderful producers of the show, Adam Curry likes his slob music straight from Gitmo.

[Adam Curry]

I'm about to OD on coffee but the show's about to start so I'mma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Put it on the screen.

[Adam Curry]

From underneath the dome from the river to the sea from the cradle to the tomb we don't discriminate but of us talk don't snowflake out things about to get. Shut up slave or he'll hit you.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the mouth I can scratch it.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Up Slave, I'm going to smack you in your mouth.

[Adam Curry]

No agentic GPT propagating positivity.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh my God.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

I like can't believe I'm a part of groups Devish.

[John C. Dvorak]

I knew I was special and it.

[Adam Curry]

Feels good to be validated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good God, I've lost my father Blah.

[Various News Reporters/Interviewees]

Blah blah blah blah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm blowing up the boats on the Caribbean not with a little fizzle but with an explosive missile Gonna burn the hull Sink the juggies boats they send Cuz the voyage I was on was never gonna end yeah I'm blowing up the boats Let the wreckage ship drift away no turning back to what defined.

[Adam Curry]

Me yesterday when the smoke clears out.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll see the open sea A clean.

[Adam Curry]

Slate harbor finally just for me Watch the scraps fly Hear the loud final.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sound of every criminal hitting the ground.

[Adam Curry]

It's a terrifying freedom an echoing piece A brand new navigation that will never cease the world is wider than the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Waters they sail when the drug life.

[Adam Curry]

Is gone you know you cannot fail.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm blowing up the boats on the Caribbean sea tonight not with dynamite but with an explosive light Gonna burn the ballast Sink the druggies boats they sent.

[Adam Curry]

Cause the voyage I was on was never gone and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah I'm blowing up.

[Adam Curry]

The boats Let the wreck.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best.

[Adam Curry]

Podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adios mofo dvorak.org Na holy moly that was beyond great.