1817 - "Stunt Grenade"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1817 “Stunt Grenade”

Date: November 16, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a wide array of international and domestic topics, focusing on the unraveling situation in Ukraine, emergent Gen Z-led protests in Mexico, European militarization, the mainstreaming of corruption accusations, and the looming release of the Epstein files, among other stories. As usual, Adam and John deconstruct the media’s narrative, lampoon mainstream reporting, and speculate on the deeper forces at play—often with trademark wit, skepticism, and irreverence.

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Key Topics and Detailed Breakdown

1. Ukraine’s Collapse & Western Support

00:23–07:33

• John opens by observing Ukraine “falling apart,” not with surprise but with a resigned “of course it’s corrupt.”
• They break down Ursula von der Leyen’s three proposed funding options for Ukraine: borrowing on capital markets, intergovernmental agreements, or taking Russian assets as reparations. Both speculate that taxpaying citizens, not Russians, will foot the bill (02:07).
• Discussion on Russia making significant battlefield gains via attrition, striking Ukrainian energy infrastructure, and undermining morale to force concessions.
• Adam notes the “morale war”—Ukrainians question risking their lives for a corrupt government profiteering off grants meant to rebuild (05:51).
• John predicts Ukraine’s possible further concessions at peace talks, with diplomatic solutions likely resulting in a “hard, cold peace.”

“They’re prevailing. I prefer that term rather than winning.” – John (06:52)

2. German Military Revitalization

07:34–09:27

• In the face of Russian threats and an unreliable US (especially if Trump returns), Germany promotes more voluntary military service—possibly conscription if necessary (08:45).
• Adam and John satirically deconstruct the notion that “more military means more peace.”

3. Ukraine: Corruption and Zelensky's Future

09:27–13:29

• Coverage of an NPR report where associates of President Zelensky are accused of skimming millions from Ukraine’s energy sector; two ministers resign (10:29).
• John wonders why Zelensky stays, postulates he’ll be ousted/arrested within two months, while Adam contends the EU wants to keep him as a figurehead (12:13).

“He’s going to end up dead.” – John (12:03)
“No, I don’t think so. He’s the perfect little showbiz bunny for them.” – Adam (12:09)

4. Eurovision & Media Mockery

14:34–18:39

• News that Canada may join Eurovision: Adam and John riff on non-European countries’ inclusion, mock the spectacle, and discuss the history of outsider participation (16:40).
• They lampoon the notion of Canadian identity in Eurovision (“Celine Dion won for Switzerland—that’s a scam!”).

5. 'Zed' (Gen Z) Protests in Mexico

19:22–27:04
[Episode Title Reference: “Stunt Grenade” at 21:24]

• Major focus on recent, violent Gen Z-led protests in Mexico City—sparked by the assassination of an anti-cartel mayor.
• Clips reveal police use of “stunt grenades” (21:24), prompting jokes:

  “When you get—when one hits you, you do a backflip.” – Adam (21:28)

• Protests are organically cross-sectional, not bused-in or orchestrated by the opposition (24:31), per on-the-ground NPR reporting.
• Adam and John theorize these surprise uprisings may be manufactured—“too easy”—perhaps using Discord for organization, distribution of meme flags, and hats (25:53).

  “You got Discord, you got hats, you got flags. This is ridiculously, probably completely accurate, but a ridiculously simplistic approach to getting people riled up.” – Adam (26:56)

6. Foreign Influence and Narco-Political Theories

27:05–32:23

• Discussion continues with Senator Lily Tellez openly labeling Mexico as a “narco state,” aligning the government with the cartels, and welcoming US intervention (29:43).
• Adam floats that protests are nudge/covertly encouraged from “North Sea nexus” intelligence (“it’s us, it’s our agencies”) as a response to Mexico’s lack of cooperation (32:23).

7. Discord as a Tool for Protest Mobilization

54:53–69:27

• Adam explains Discord’s role in protest organizing worldwide, highlighting its “spook language” origin story and hints at intelligence ties.
• Both hosts deconstruct Discord’s public-facing company story, voice suspicions about its British leadership, and joke about setting up their own No Agenda server—forecasting it’ll eventually “turn on us” (65:11).

8. BBC, US, and the “UK Nexus”

38:02–52:44

• Adam and John drill into UK’s muddy media maneuvers (BBC), foreign policy, and historical exploitations—framing Ukraine and drug war narratives within international power plays.
• Adam channels increasing suspicion toward British influence (“wreck our country”) and a North Sea-connected “enemy within.”

9. Epstein Files, Trump vs. MTG, and Beltway Theater

70:44–90:10

• Reads and analysis of Trump “un-endorsing” Marjorie Taylor Greene and her push for Epstein files’ release (71:00–75:10).
• John and Adam agree it's classic “theater”—WWE-esque stage fighting to focus media and political energy on the Epstein vote, positioning Trump as a reluctant party to the file release.
• ABC’s interview with Rep. Thomas Massie (88:28–90:10): Massie claims Trump’s trying to protect powerful donors, but Adam and John believe Trump’s not that loyal—he “throws anybody under the bus.”

“Can you spell posturing? That’s what the two of them are doing.” – John (75:10)

• Discussion of UK media obsession with MTG/Trump rift, hinting at anticipation of prominent British and elite names possibly appearing in Epstein files (80:30–86:06).

10. Epstein Theories: Blackmail and Intelligence

103:09–113:46

• Speculation that Epstein’s operation was likely a British (MI6) blackmail entrapment operation (and not Mossad as often rumored).
• Revelations from Michael Wolff (Valuetainment): Steve Bannon misrepresented his involvement with Epstein; footage was never for a documentary but media training and debriefing.

  “I think the whole smokescreen—Bannon meeting with Epstein as a media consultant—is really a debriefing.” – John (113:38)

11. No Agenda Meta: Value for Value, Listener Connections, and Meetups

123:18–156:08

• Detailed listing and banter about donations, meetups, and value for value model.
• John recounts stories from a recent Berkeley meetup, including a prized Fort Detrick letterhead gift and the vibrant character mix (“jet-set traveler,” collectors, and long-time hands).
• Several touching notes on how the show strengthened marriages and changed lives during COVID and beyond.

12. AI, Media Future, and Tip of the Day

170:51–190:05

• Adam bemoans new AI-fueled loneliness industry as chatbots for seniors emerge (“Stella Foster”). Satire on exploiting the elderly for tech subscriptions.
• Typical end-of-show banter on AI voice modeling, blurb-writing for books, and meta-podcasting.
• Reprise of John’s “Tip of the Day”: Boeing’s Boeshield T-9 as a WD-40 alternative (184:29–189:19).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ukraine War Endgame:

  “There never will be actual peace. Well, I think Ukraine will give major concessions… it’s already going to lose 20% of its territory.” – John (06:28)

• On Discord and Protest Mobilization:

  “You just get on the Discord and hand out hats!” – Adam (26:56)

• On Ukraine Corruption:

  “Is this new to the Mexicans, this idea? …No, not to the Mexicans.” – John (30:37)

• On MTG and Trump Spat:

  “WWE is what I’m feeling here.” – Adam (75:24)

• On MI6 & Epstein:

  “That’s what Epstein was involved in… MI6, not Mossad.” – Adam (103:35)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:23] – Ukraine’s “Collapse”
• [02:07] – Ursula von der Leyen’s Ukraine funding options
• [07:34] – Germany’s military conscription discussion
• [09:27] – Ukraine energy corruption/Resignations
• [21:24] – Zed (Gen Z) Riots, Mexico and “Stunt Grenades”
• [25:53] – Discord, flags, hats: recipe for protest
• [29:43] – Sen. Lily Tellez: “Mexico is a narco state”
• [38:02] – North Sea Nexus, BBC, UK Global Politics
• [71:00] – Trump’s posting about Marjorie Taylor Greene
• [80:30–86:06] – BBC’s interest in the MTG/Trump rift & Epstein files
• [88:28] – ABC Interview with Rep. Thomas Massie on Epstein vote
• [103:35] – Intelligence agency speculation: MI6 vs. Mossad on Epstein
• [113:38] – Michael Wolff: Steve Bannon’s Epstein involvement is media cover for debriefing
• [123:18] – No Agenda Value for Value, Listener Criticism & Letters
• [184:29] – Tip of the Day: Boeshield T9
• [190:05] – Outro & end-of-show mixes

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Tone, Style, and the "No Agenda" Touch

• Tone: Sarcastic, skeptical, conspiratorial, and often self-aware.
• Language: Casual banter with jabs at each other, tangents, and “inside baseball.”
• Meta content: Regularly lampoon podcasting trends, value-for-value donation appeals, and critique of audience and self.

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If You Only Listen to 3 Segments…

1. [21:24] – Zed Riots, Mexico ("stunt grenades", Discord theory)
2. [71:00] – Trump-MTG Spat/Epstein files: Beltway Showbiz explained as theater
3. [103:35] – Deep dive on Epstein, Bannon, and British Intelligence theory

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The Bottom Line

This episode shines at connecting global dots behind media headlines—tying together the fall of Ukraine, manufactured protest tactics, European remilitarization, and the American elite’s lurking scandals. Adam and John keep it light with in-jokes and dismissals of mainstream narratives, all the while ushering listeners to question surface-level explanations and find the meta games hidden in plain sight.

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Summary Compiled with Adherence to the Show’s Original Tone, Key Topics, and Attribution. For full episode, listen at No Agenda Show.

Transcript

[A]

Complain more. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[B]

It's Sunday, November 19, 2025. This is your award winning give on Nation Media Assassination Episode 1817 this is no Agenda. We are smoking hot and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[A]

And for northern Silicon Valley where we've noticed Ukraine is falling apart, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[B]

It's crackpot and buzz kill in the. I didn't expect to start there.

[A]

I didn't either. I had some other schemes as my opener, but then that came to mind. Oh well, the France 24 this morning, that's all they were talking about. They had these attractive Ukrainian women going on about how bad the government is. Oh yeah, this is. But. And by the way, you and I are both shocked.

[B]

Shocked that it's falling apart?

[A]

No, that Ukraine's corrupt.

[B]

Well, hold, hold on a sec. First of all, we have to understand there's nothing to worry about. Queen Ursula is going to take care of Ukraine for at least the next two years. We just have to figure out which one of the three options we will use to pay for it. John, this is a quiz. We are now working very closely with Belgium and all the member states on options how to deliver on this commitment. It's clear we will deliver and we will cover the financial needs of of Ukraine for the next two years. The discussion is now on the how and there are three options. Here we go. Option one is to use the budget's headroom to raise money on the capital markets. Oh, okay. Option two is to have an intergovernmental agreement that member states raise the necess necessary capital by themselves. And option three is to have a reparations loan. This is based on immobilized Russian assets. Ah, I pick number three. What do you pick? What do you think is the best one there? Steal it from the people or steal it from the Russians?

[A]

Well, they want to steal it from the Russians but they know that they're treading on thin ice. So they will steal it from the people.

[B]

Oh, you think they'll steal it from the people?

[A]

Yeah, because they can get away with that. Stealing from the Russians is not going to work out long term and they know it. The other thing is the Ukraine. Why they get. Why would you. They're already stealing the money we're giving them already.

[B]

I have a little.

[A]

Going to give them more money. There's a solution to the problem.

[B]

I have a little update from my boy Andrew Rasoo. Yeah, yeah, he's got us the update.

[A]

You want to do that now or at the end of presentation? Because he's the, he's the best.

[B]

Well, he's, these are pretty short actually. He was on cbc. He's, you know, he dress, he's dressing a suit now. He used to be kind of casual.

[A]

I've never seen him.

[B]

Oh, well, he used to be cash in a sweater and now he's. Now somebody clued him in, I think so. Okay, so. So first of all, it appears Russia is winning. The Russians have managed through.

[A]

Determined attritional.

[B]

Warfare over months now and they've been working on proc forest that this main hub and they have been wearing down the Ukrainians again, war of attrition. And they're now about to achieve what will be an operational level success, which means a significant success. More than tactical, less than strategic, but.

[A]

Significant on the battlefield, whatever that is.

[B]

I love it. The momentum of Russia's advance westward. Next time in a meeting. You know, that's a really good idea, Bob. That is more than strategic, less than tactical. I'm really digging that. I think you're onto something here. Well, of course the big thing now is as winter draws, which means it'll soon be the end of the fighting season. We always have to remember we have fighting seasons and it's about to draw to a close. We all just go, we're not going to fight right now. The season's over. And that is the energy attacks. They're targeting even greater than they did last year.

[A]

Not only the electrical grid, which is.

[B]

What they've been working on for the last couple of years and you know, lights out stuff. Now they're going after, in addition to the energy, the gas that is the heating source for a lot of Ukrainian cities like in Kyiv, which are centrally controlled. If you take out one of these generators that put the hot air hot the water throughout the heating systems, they, the town, everything goes down, they all get cold and much harder to fix. So what the Russians are doing is wearing down the morale of the, of the Ukrainian people so that then they try to pressure the Ukrainian government to come to terms with Russia, not just saying a ceasefire, but a ceasefire that also gives the Russians what they want in terms of Ukrainian neutrality. No NATO and regime change possibly. Oh, this is, this does not sound good for Vladimir and of course add to that the corruption and well, I don't know. But politically it certainly destabilizes Zelensky government. I don't think it's a strategic defeat. For him, yet he's surviving, he's at war. And there are those who say, well, it's the best we've got, you know, and the Lithuanian Minister of government the other day said, this is a terrible event, but this is all we've got, so we got to keep going. And this is that there's that kind of attitude. But, yes, the point is that that's just one attitude. There are the people on the ground in Ukraine, those who are supposed to go off and fight, who are. A lot of them are trying to not go off and fight. And when the energy grid is being hit and they're trying to rebuild it, and yet there's about a 15% scam taking place or was taking place with.

[A]

Profiteering from the efforts to rebuild this.

[B]

Energy grid, people are saying, what's this all about? What are we fighting about? People are just putting money in their pockets. So maybe Ukraine as a Western model isn't so great and therefore we shouldn't really be fighting and putting our lives on the risk. Yeah, really, what are we doing? And the results, our friend Andrew Rasulas believes, will be more concessions in the peace talks and a what we've always said, an armistice or a ceasefire, and there never will be actual peace. Well, I think Ukraine will give major concessions. It's already going to lose 20% of its territory.

[A]

The Ukrainians have recognized that.

[B]

They understand they cannot retake the land.

[A]

That Russia currently occupies through military force.

[B]

They refer to diplomatic solutions.

[A]

That's already a concession.

[B]

The question is additional concessions. And that's why, politically, there is no room for negotiations at present. The Russians are prevailing. I prefer that term rather than winning.

[A]

They're prevailing.

[B]

And they see that if we call that winning further military action, they will have further gains. And one of their key objectives right now is to take the four oblasts.

[A]

The fourth full administrative boundaries. They control large parts, but not everything.

[B]

And they will continue to push until they get that, because Ukrainians are refusing to cede it. So that will be taken by military force. And then the question is, will a ceasefire come into place at that point?

[A]

Because it's unlikely that a political settlement.

[B]

Anywhere near what the Russians are demanding of Ukrainians will come out. Unless Ukrainians are completely broken, I think a ceasefire and a very hard, cold.

[A]

Peace is more likely to come.

[B]

There it is. There it is. And of course, we need to use this war to figure out jobs for people. And Germany, which has lost everything. The economic production motor of the EU is dead, thanks to no Russian energy, cheap Russian energy So what do we do? I know. Let's build up our military and let's tell the kids they can join voluntarily. For now.

[A]

Faced with growing Russian threats and an.

[B]

Unreliable US Partner under the Trump administration.

[A]

Germany has agreed to a new military.

[B]

Plan to boost its numbers.

[A]

There is no reason for concern or.

[B]

Fear, because the lesson is clear. Nothing to be concerned about. Children.

[A]

The more capable our armed forces are of deterrence and defense through armament, training and personnel, the less likely we are to become a party of conflict. And that serves everyone. That is the lesson we learned from the Cold War.

[B]

Okay, so more, more people in military, the more peaceful it is. Okay, check.

[A]

The coalition government will focus on voluntary service by making it more attractive to young people.

[B]

Starting next year, all 18 year old men will have to fill in a questionnaire on whether they would want to serve and undergo a medical test.

[A]

There will be other financial incentives as well to encourage people to join the military.

[B]

But the agreement has not been without its hurdles, particularly over questions regarding mandatory service. While there are no plans to reinstate.

[A]

Conscription, it's not off the table.

[B]

We want to inspire as many young people as possible to serve their country. If voluntary participation ultimately proves insufficient, there will also need to be a mandatory obligation aiming for a conscription system that enhances as many individuals as necessary to ensure our defense capabilities. You will fight for us and you will be happy.

[A]

You don't left you. You jumped to Germany and you left Ukraine hanging there. I'm not sure why.

[B]

Well, what do you mean? That's because she literally started with because of Ukraine. I'm not sure why.

[A]

We still need to talk about Ukraine. I have a couple of clips.

[B]

Oh, well, I don't look at your clips, so how could I know?

[A]

Well, I tried to. I mentioned it earlier and you just ignored me. Ukraine corruption. Is this.

[B]

So this is you being a dick to me where I usually.

[A]

No, no, no. You could have when you said that. Versula's club. I said, well, I can play something first. And then you went on.

[B]

No, you didn't say that. You said, do you want to do that at the end of something? That's what you said.

[A]

Yeah, the end of the clip. I wanted to play which was the Ukrainian corruption.

[B]

Oh, well, why didn't you just say that?

[A]

Because you steamrolled me, that's why.

[B]

You are the worst partner in 18 years ever. I didn't steamroll you.

[A]

I want input from the ladies.

[B]

Corruption probe in Ukraine says associates of President Zelensky plotted to skim millions from the country's energy sector. NPR's Joanna Kakissis has more. This probe is extensive. It took 15 months, used about 1,000 hours of wiretaps. There were seven alleged participants, including Timur Mindich. He's a close business associate of Zelensky's. Investigators say this group manipulated contracts at Enerjo Adam, which is Ukraine's state nuclear energy company, and they got kickbacks, laundering roughly $100 million. The scandal has forced the resignation of two ministers in Zelensky's government so far. But Zelensky has not been implicated in this probe and he is calling for the prosecution of those accused of committing crimes. Yeah, we played those clips on Thursday.

[A]

Well, that just played yesterday, but we played.

[B]

Okay, okay. Sorry for your breaking news. And what is the other Ukraine clip you have? You said clips.

[A]

We're just going to stay with that. The point I wanted to make, which is kind of lost in the shuffle here, is that if we haven't noticed, Zelensky killed, you know, besides putting the kibosh on the religion and everything else in the media, and then stopping elections, he'd be out scot free if he had allowed elections in the regular election cycle and got voted out and moved to the 10 houses or whatever the hell he's accumulated and just gotten out of the country. It's beyond me why he's still there. He's going to end up dead?

[B]

No, I don't think so. I think the EU wants him alive. He's the perfect little showbiz bunny for them and that they can do all this other stuff like steal money from people to fund him.

[A]

Well, the EU does want him alive, but that doesn't mean he.

[B]

Well, who would want him dead?

[A]

This corruption can go get out of control so quickly that you get caught up in it. There's no way the EU can support it.

[B]

Hold on. Corruption in Ukraine, hello, last 50 years.

[A]

It's always been corrupt, but it's always been. It's like the Burisma material. It's always been corrupt, but it always gets swept under the rug. But if this situation that's occurring now is getting out of control, they won't be able to stop it. No, Zelensky's gonna get caught up in it. He's done.

[B]

No, no, give me a timeframe for him being done. There's no heir apparent. You heard it first. Podcast enthusiasts. I don't think so. I think he's going to stick around. They love the guy.

[A]

He's not saying that they don't like him.

[B]

Yeah, but who's going to Kill him.

[A]

It's not going to be killed. He's going to be arrested. He's going to be kicked out. There's going to be a vote, a non confidence vote in the government. He's going to be ousted one way or the other within two months maybe.

[B]

I don't think so. I think they'll drive.

[A]

You heard that first. Podcast audience.

[B]

Podcast enthusiast is the term enthusiast.

[A]

What is it? Podverse?

[B]

Podcast enthusiasts. Yes. I'm sorry, I did not realize. I did not understand what you said. Otherwise I of course would have played your clip first. You always have priority. No.

[A]

Did my clips always lead to the conclusion clip? When you have Versoulis, he should be the last guy we play.

[B]

Well, you shouldn't have asked it as a question then. You so said no, my clip first. Then, then it would have been easier.

[A]

For me to understand. I can do that.

[B]

Remember, I don't listen to your clips.

[A]

No, but you look at them.

[B]

But I, you know, the Ukraine was stuck between Zed riots, Mexico and UK Nexus, which caught my eye, obviously.

[A]

I'm like, oh, the UK Nexus is good. Yeah.

[B]

Well, I'm going to leave it up to you where you want to go because I'm afraid now.

[A]

Well, you were still talking about arming the German poor German kids who are going to be without work anyway.

[B]

That was it. That was all I had. The only other thing I have is, is the Eurovision Song Contest news.

[A]

Oh, that's not coming around again. Is. I thought we just did that like a couple weeks ago.

[B]

It's worse. Of the many headlines to come out of the federal budget today, one that you may have missed has to do with Canada and Eurovision. Mark Carney wants CBC to explore getting the country to participate in the European song. Yeah. Now Canada is going to participate in Eurovision in the song contest.

[A]

Wait, and this is going to cost them money if they win.

[B]

I mean if they don't win. That doesn't cost a lot of just to send some schlub over there with a bad three minute song. But I think with the. Well, if, if you're interested, I'll play the.

[A]

Carney has got to be. You should. Carney is like. We have to remember that Carney was the head of the bank of England.

[B]

Yeah, he's a Nexus guy. He's trying to ruin Canada. Yes, yes, he is.

[A]

He's not even Canadian.

[B]

Ah, this is a good point. Now the British are famous for losing. They're famous. It's a national pastime to laugh about the Eurovision Song Contest and see if Britain will come in if. England, uk, I should say if they will come in last again. So maybe this is Carney trying to say. Well, you know what? It was just you guys.

[A]

Let's move Canada into that spot. Perpetual loser.

[B]

Well, if you listen to this professor who's about to talk about it, we have had some actual Canadians win. Just not representing Canada contest, I guess. Beyond Europe. Joining us now is journalist and Eurovision expert Karen Fricker. She's also an adjunct. Yes, and they could have called me for that. University professor from Toronto. So the concept of Canada's participation in Eurovision apparently is nothing new, though. New to me. What did you think of the Prime Minister pitching this? I was extremely surprised and kind of excited. As a Canada based Eurovision lover. Of course, this is a tantalizing proposition.

[A]

Tantalizing.

[B]

But it is a contest based in Europe run by the European Broadcasting Union. But it's not unprecedented for a non European country to compete. Australia has been competing for the past 10 years. Yeah, they're in Europe. Yeah. So let's back up for a sec. What drew you into this? How are you a Canadian who is. So why am I doing this bit with you? Excited by the Eurovision contest.

[A]

I lived in Ireland, I did my.

[B]

PhD in Ireland, and everybody knows Eurovision there.

[A]

It's an absolute household name thing.

[B]

And as somebody who loves pop music and spectacle, I just couldn't believe I.

[A]

Didn'T know anything about it.

[B]

Researching it for over 25 years. Well, I mean, Eurovision to me, the first thing that I would think of is ABBA and Waterloo. So music and spectacle certainly are associated in my mind with it. I don't know that I can name a lot of other winners, but come on, I can help you, Ian. Yep. Celine Dion. One representing Switzerland, I think. Right, Exactly.

[A]

But there's Canadian precedent here.

[B]

Yes. You see, if only.

[A]

Celine Dion is from Switzerland.

[B]

No, she's Canadian. But she represented Switzerland.

[A]

That's a scam.

[B]

Yes, of course.

[A]

The Beatles up there, you know, well, they're representing Berkeley.

[B]

Are you forgetting what? Madonna was in it? Madonna didn't. Madonna. Did she just perform? Was it. They're putting all. It's kind of like when. When we send our best basketball guys to the Olympics, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is.

[A]

It's just a recent phenomenon, I should mention.

[B]

At least 10 years, maybe more. Maybe 12 years.

[A]

Yeah, but traditionally we played fair.

[B]

Okay, we did.

[A]

We always sent the college kids, you know, we used to. College kids used to be amateurs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the Olympics were supposed to be for amateurs, not people who got paid to do that job.

[B]

What was this?

[A]

And so they've corrupted that. First they corrupted the Olympics with professional athletes, and now they're corrupting college sports by paying the college kids, which they should deserve because they bring in large audiences. And I've always advocated for it. But let's don't kid ourselves. There are some people that make more money playing college football than they will when they're professionals.

[B]

So the dream team, the NBA professionals competed in the Olympics was 1992. That's not just recent.

[A]

It is to me, most of my life it was amateurs.

[B]

Right. But the zeds who listened to our show weren't even born then.

[A]

So the zeds.

[B]

The Zeds, baby, the zeds. I love the new zeds. This. This whole Mexico thing is fantastic.

[A]

This is. Mimi called me about this, talking about the zeds in Mexico, but I. She didn't. The way that she was given the report, which I think was on the networks, they didn't mention it was a zed, you know, part of the ZED phenomenon. I had to explain it. She knows that because she listens to the show. But it's zeds. It's just that. And is it the CIA run?

[B]

I mean, definitely.

[A]

Well, no. Okay. I'm not going to argue that for sure because I convinced it's the CIA too, because that's why. But they're doing it selectively. And so they're going after Mexico because they're not cooperating with us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So maybe Trump is, you know.

[B]

Yes, yes, keep going. This is part of the North Sea nexus. This is cutting off the British drug trade into our country through Mexico.

[A]

So here we go with The Zed Riots. Mexico 1.

[B]

Now we turn to Mexico City, where protests this afternoon turned violent. They were organized by young people. Generation Z.

[A]

Generation Z.

[B]

Generation Z, who say they're speaking out against a narco government. These are the largest anti government protests since President Claudia Schoenbaum took office more than a year ago. Protesters have broken through a police barricade and police have thrown tear gas and stun grenades at them. I spoke with NPR's Eder Peralta who is in Mexico City near the protest crowds. Ader, we can hear you out there on the streets. What is it that we're hearing and that you're seeing?

[A]

I mean, look, this protest started peaceful through the center of downtown, and now it has reached the Zocalo, which is Mexico City's main square. And it has turned violent. The government had put large metal barricades to try and block protesters from Reaching the presidential palace and protesters have now torn through the metal barricades and they are trying to get through. Riot police. Riot police are firing tear gas and they're firing stunt grenades.

[B]

Stunt.

[A]

This crowd. Did he say stunt?

[B]

Stunt grenades?

[A]

Yeah. When you get. When one hits you, you do a backflip.

[B]

Stunt grenades.

[A]

Everybody firing tear gas and they're firing stunt grenades. And this crowd is not leaving. They say they're looking for change in this country. They say that they want this government to take their suffering seriously. They say they want the pact that they say exists between the narcos and the government to end today. And that's what they're here for. And they say they're not leaving until they get that.

[B]

Yes. What do we want? We want change.

[A]

Okay, ask you a question in advance of the rest of these clips, there's only two more. What are they doing to get what. What has somebody discovered in the. One of the agencies that can get this to happen? In other words, what I'm looking for is, is there a psychological trigger or is there something you can do to get the entire generation of zeds.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To get worked up, riled up, and out there throwing rocks.

[B]

Why don't you play your clips and then I'll answer that with my clips.

[A]

You actually. Okay, good.

[B]

I think I can answer it.

[A]

Yes, because it's fascinating to me, because there has to be something. Because this is too easy.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's very simple. It really is.

[A]

Okay, here we go. Clip 2.

[B]

Eyder, what prompted these protests?

[A]

You know, what happened here is a small town mayor was murdered at the beginning of November. And this mayor, he was the mayor of Uruapan, Michoacan.

[B]

And he had taken a full frontal.

[A]

Approach to fighting organized crime in his city. And what he said is, you know, we're gonna shoot first and ask questions later. And he would get on helicopters and order his police to shoot at narco traffickers or what he said were narco traffickers. And then November 1st, on day of the Dead, he was shot dead in the middle of his town in front of. Front of everyone, in front of a large crowd. And protests erupted almost immediately in his town. They were asking for justice. They were asking for those responsible to be held accountable. And now the protests have spread to Mexico City. And this is remarkable, Sasha, because. And what's remarkable about it is that we just haven't seen in recent memory an anti organized crime Protestant. And right now, I mean, I'm in the middle of this square and they're calling for the president's resignation. And they're saying, you know, that this is a narco government just colluded with the narcos, and they say they're done with that, and they want the government to take a much stronger stance against organized crime in this country.

[B]

Yeah. What outfit is this, by the way? Is this npr?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, once in a while. They do good. They do good work. Although, you know, there's still no analysis, which is my. My complaint, which you will address as this is the last clip.

[B]

Okay. And Ader, how is the government of Mexico reacting to all that?

[A]

Well, they're saying that this was a march organized by the opposition. I mean, to be honest, I've covered many marches in this country where they do tend to bust people in. This is not that. This is a cross section of Mexican society, from the upper class to the.

[B]

Lower class, from old to young.

[A]

And so this seems like Claudia Shanebaum's president. Claudia Shanebaum's first real test as a president, and she's extremely popular. Her popularity, her approval rating is at 70%.

[B]

So this is.

[A]

This is an odd thing that we're seeing here in Mexico.

[B]

That is NPR's Eder Peralta reporting from Mexico City. Ayder, thank you for covering this, and please be safe. Safe. Thank you, Sasha. Please be safe. I like the odd thing. That was good. That was good.

[A]

Yes. No, this was the noteworthy part, which is in the third clip, where he goes, you know, I've seen these things before. This is nothing like that. This is totally different. It's alien. I don't. The Woman Shine bomb is really popular, but now everyone hates her. I mean, he was befuddled with, and I would guess clueless as to the fact that this is manufactured somehow. Yeah. And he's not even noticing that, which is the problem that we have with the media.

[B]

Yes. Well, that's why you have to go to Al Jazeera, which is. Yes, Al Jazeera had a pretty good report. How do you motivate Gen Z to do anything? Well, first of all, you. You use Discord. I. I could only find Spanish reports with the Discord in it, so I can't play any of that. But there were several Spanish news reports mentioning that these were organized on Discord. So there's that. The second thing, you got to hand out cool flags because they were manufactured brand new, beautifully made pirate flags, like skull and crossbone flags.

[A]

Oh, is it that pirate flag that I discussed before?

[B]

Yes, the pirate. It's the skull and crossbones.

[A]

The one with the, with the sombrero.

[B]

No, there was no. There's no sombrero on it. No.

[A]

That's interesting.

[B]

But they are. But they are, you know, your beautiful made in China flags. And as a part of the meme for this mayor, you hand out hats. So when you've got discord, you got hats, you've got. You've got flags.

[A]

This is ridiculously, probably completely accurate, but ridiculously simplistic approach to getting people riled up.

[B]

Here's the report.

[A]

Flags.

[B]

Mexico City.

[A]

Fed up with corruption and violence of drug cartels.

[B]

Demonstrators tore down metal walls protecting the National Palace. They blame President Claudia Sheinbaum for not doing enough to bring justice and investigate the assassinations of at least 10 politicians since she took office one year ago. Protesters are demanding that the police focus on protecting them from criminal networks rather than cracking down on demonstrations that call for meaningful change. Some carried the generations pirate emblem flag used by young protesters in Nepal, Morocco and Peru. Others wore straw hats, a symbol of Carlo Manzo, the mayor of the western city of Uruapan gunned down two weeks ago, yet another victim of drug cartels. Ahead of the march, President Sheinbaum said.

[A]

The protests are a strategy paid by.

[B]

Foreigners linked to right wing groups. There may be young people who just disagree with us, and that's part of democracy, but it's very important to know how this mobilization was orchestrated. There is evidence that many of the promoters have nothing to do with Generation Z, but rather that this is a political operation even financed from abroad. Yeah, hello. They're just saying it now. Now, the way I view this under the lens of the North Sea nexus is this is where all of the fentanyl is coming from. It's a huge narco state. Obviously Sheinbaum doesn't want to cooperate. And this is. And we have to remember, $800 million was laundered through HSBC, a British bank, even though it's the Hong Kong Shanghai. What is it B? What's the B and the N? It B in the. Well, but that is, you know, it's basically a British bank which was laundered through them during the Obama years. And that was a big scandal which. Pay a fine. It's okay, we're fine. We'll just keep on moving. So this is part of shutting down the British drug trade money. And this is the big money through Mexico, completely explained by Mexican senator Lili Tellez, Tele Tellez Television, who went on Fox, much to her peril, and explained exactly what's going on. This is the intro. President of Mexico is furious. She's calling Mexican Senator Lily Deyes a traitor for coming on FOX notethios with.

[A]

Me a few days ago and saying this.

[B]

The help from the United States to fight the cartels in Mexico is absolutely welcome. And that is how the majority of Mexicans feel. The only ones who don't like that President Trump is sending help in trying to support Mexicans against the cartels are the narco politicians. That includes President Sheinbaum. Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum responding, saying, quote, it's not a minor issue that a senator gave an interview to a foreign media outlet calling for intervention. Here to discuss is that Mexican Senator Lily Daez. Senator tez, welcome to FoxNot DCS. I'm just gonna get right to it. Is Mexico a narco state? Yes, it is.

[A]

And we all Mexicans know about it.

[B]

And Mexicans are afraid of the alliance between the Mexican government and the cartels that have infested our nation. So very brave.

[A]

Is this new to the Mexicans, this idea?

[B]

No, not to the Mexicans. But it's. But you hear, she's saying we welcome the support. I think this is the support coming from us stirring all of this up. And here's the rest of the. Go ahead.

[A]

Just quickly, I went to do a search on the Mexican riots and they're using the flag with the little straw hat on it.

[B]

Oh, they are. I haven't seen. The only one I saw in that report was the skull and crossbones.

[A]

Well, it's skull and crossbones, but it's got a little straw hat on the top. It's a manga character.

[B]

Oh, okay. Can you explain this a lot? I didn't see. That was not what I saw in the.

[A]

I'm just looking at the photos.

[B]

Okay. Can you explain this alliance between the president, her party, the Morena party and the cartels? Yes. The party has financed, has given.

[A]

The cartels have given so much money to these politicians, narco politicians of Morena.

[B]

To get into office, to get the power. So they protect the Mexican government, protects the cartels. That is why President Scheinbaum doesn't want the strong American leadership to help Mexico defeat the cartels. And also, Schoenbaum doesn't want the rest of the world to know what is happening here in Mexico. We are on the steps to be the next Venezuela. She's aligned with Venezuela's dictator, with Cuba.

[A]

And we are losing our country. They have destroyed our republican institutions, the democratic state. And we must, I think we all.

[B]

Mexicans want and welcome the support of the United States to assist. Assist Mexican people against the cartels that have us all in this crisis with the traffic on fentanyl and migrants. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We're not messing around now.

[A]

I guess we got fed up.

[B]

And remember, it was Rubio who. No, was it Witkoff who said, oh, yeah, no, we're taking care of stuff. Look what we're doing. Stuff in Morocco and Morocco, what do we have? Gen Z? Gen Zed Discord Flags March. Yeah.

[A]

By the way, just as an aside, we have Gen Zers out there. And I guess there's, you know, this. I don't know where you can get one of these, but I need one of the pirate flags with the little straw hat for my collection.

[B]

I need one, too. I will fly it. I have a flagpole.

[A]

I will fly it.

[B]

I will fly it. Oh, of course. It'll be fun. Yeah, I'll fly it. No problem.

[A]

See, what you've done is you upped the ante to make it so somebody's gonna send you the flag instead of me. And I'm the one that always solicits free stuff. You get. You're getting the clue. You did. That was good. Before I give you 10 points, before I forget a trick, before I forget, I'll fly it. Okay. What am I gonna. I kind of can't talk.

[B]

Well, don't you. You don't have a flagpole?

[A]

No, I don't have a flag.

[B]

What do you. What is that? Why is that so funny?

[A]

I'm in the. I'm in the little town. I'm in the suburbs, and I'm gonna have a flagpole look like a total douchebag. Are you kidding me? I'm in California.

[B]

You don't have a ham antenna you can use as a flagpole?

[A]

Flagpole.

[B]

Since we're on free stuff, thank you to Trevor Lohman, PhD. He's the real deal. Trevor Lohman. And he has published two books. He's published two books. One is God's Eye View, and right there on the COVID is a perfect star that says, read this book. John C. Dvorak, host of no Agenda show, host of DH Unplugged. And then he sends me his new book, Shroud Pilled. And right there at the top, not even on the back cover. On the front cover.

[A]

Yeah, right in the front. That's where you want it? Yeah. It's not one of those blurbs in.

[B]

The back, which is for weenies, a must read book. Adam Curry, host of the no Agenda show, inventor of podcasting. I mean, you will run and read this book. When you see that endorsement, it's like, oh, that guy.

[A]

You're getting a clue.

[B]

Yeah, it's taken me a little bit, but I'm.

[A]

Yeah, I've said this before. I don't want to reiterate this, this anecdote, but I will. With my former book agent, John Brockman. I worked for him too, but he's a good friend of mine, he still is. And he told me that Alan Watts, the very famous Zen Buddhist writer, Alan Watts, Everyone who's into Buddhism knows this guy. He told him, he told Brockman once, he says, I'll. I'll. Anyone who asked me for a blurb, I'll just do it. He says, because what, it never does you any harm, it just does you nothing but good. It's good vibes, It's a great thing to do. And so I blurb everything I can. I'll do forwards too. And. And I. I run into people every so often and they say, can you give me a blurb for this? And no, no, I don't have time to read it. You know, just do it.

[B]

No, no. What you do now, these days, you say, yeah, could you send me the manuscript?

[A]

Well, you can get the PDF for most books nowadays.

[B]

Yeah, right. Send me the manuscript. What do you do? Flop it into ChatGPT, give me a little synopsis, write me a blurb. Bob's your uncle.

[A]

Blurb's always going to be the. Read this book. I mean, look at. ChatGPT is going to write too much. It'll be too long.

[B]

Well, if you're doing a forward. You said you did forward.

[A]

Oh, forward. Oh, God, yeah.

[B]

You don't want to have to read the book for a forward. Just put in a chat. GPT.

[A]

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Then you can back.

[B]

No, I'm with you on this, I think.

[A]

Yeah. No, you. From the rest of your life, you'll be doing these blurbs.

[B]

Well, you. What you're supposed to say is, you have snatched the pebbles from my hand, grasshopper. It is time for you to leave. Go on your own journey.

[A]

You can go. Go do your thing. You finally got a clue. So it's like. It's beyond me why people just don't. You know who. Anyone with any notoriety doesn't adopt his philosophy. It just. Nothing but sense. And.

[B]

Yeah, and.

[A]

I know, but these are good books. They're obviously good books or they wouldn't have our names on them.

[B]

I think, you know, it is. I've. Well, I've read the one that your name is on. That's the funny thing. I actually read that book and you're the one endorsing it. I haven't read the new one, but I did endorse it. I think he said, can I just put something on the COVID So, yeah, go for it. So.

[A]

Well, that's a little, you know, you have to know. Oh, the last tip. The last.

[B]

This is the tip.

[A]

You do have to write the blurb somehow. Just say something. And most of them are stock and they can be very generalized. This is one of the most important books I think I've read in my life. If it wasn't for this book, I wouldn't, blah, blah, blah, I wouldn't have married my wife. You know, stuff like that.

[B]

A page turner from beginning to end.

[A]

Excellent. You're already on your own.

[B]

How about this? I couldn't put it down.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

Send me your books, people. I am now the blurb man. I went from podfather to blurb man. Exactly.

[A]

So it's not a bad policy.

[B]

So now just sticking with the North Sea Nexus, because things are popping up left and right. George Galloway, now, he was. He was a politician, wasn't he, at.

[A]

One point in England?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he was a politician. And not.

[A]

No, I thought he was a writer for the. For the Guardian or something. He was just. He's a left wing nutjob. I don't know if you ever got into Parliament.

[B]

I thought that.

[A]

Well, we're gonna find out, aren't we?

[B]

Hold on a second. We are gonna find out. Can I be of assistance? Yes.

[A]

So is this your new girl?

[B]

No. Leader of the Workers Party of Britain. He was a member of the Labour party from 87 to. He served as Member of Parliament. Hello.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

Politician now. Now podcaster. He's not even. He's a YouTuber. It's even a little bit lower than podcaster, I think. So here's what he said on his recent show.

[A]

Indeed. This has a long and inglorious history.

[B]

The British invented it. As in so much else, we helped found and nourished, nurtured the Muslim Brotherhood.

[A]

In Egypt in the early 1950s so.

[B]

That we could use them against the Arab nationalist leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser. President Nasser. We invented the Muslim Brotherhood. It was invented in London and it was its first outing, though not its last, was to undermine the pan Arabic message of the Nasserists. And, well, we've fallen out with the.

[A]

Muslim Brotherhood from time to time, but occasionally they can still be useful to each other, if you get my drift.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah, well, we found the United States founded Al Qaeda during the Afghanistan thing just to harass the Russians. Yes, it was purposefully to. Because Russia was turning Afghanistan into a modern, a modern western country. They had the women wore dresses.

[B]

Couldn't have that.

[A]

Pretty.

[B]

No, can't have that. They made the women pretty. They made the women pretty. The Russians, of all people, the Russians. Have you seen the Russian women?

[A]

They're gorgeous.

[B]

They made the Afghani women's pretty.

[A]

So you end up with a, you know that going in that direction. No, we can't have that. But you remember this has been locked character who's a CIA asset of some sort, probably still alive for all I know. Claimed that he had. By the way, they always claimed that he had the dialysis machine with him. There's no evidence of this. How come when they shot him in the, in that compound, supposedly shot him and then burned him.

[B]

There was no dial, no dialysis.

[A]

Where's the dialysis machine?

[B]

Well, speaking of that time, which was Obama, I mean, he was also the big friend of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[A]

Don't you remember Obama?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was like, oh, didn't he go to Egypt and apologize basically to the Muslim brother, We're sorry, we suck. We're Americans.

[A]

Maybe I remember him going to Egypt. He went on an apology tour of the world and he's bowed down to everybody. Like, it's like a. Basically cowtown.

[B]

Now I'm rethinking my CIA stance on him and thinking he was much more of a British agent, which would make sense because they want to wreck our country.

[A]

That would make more sense.

[B]

Yeah, they want to wreck our country and a pretty good job, I'd say, during the Obama years. Now another attack vector is of course, this ongoing BBC gambit. And Trump did an interview with gbn, which is the most fawning interview I've ever seen. Sycophantic, actually.

[A]

Who's gbn? Gbn?

[B]

Yeah, that's the right wing cable news outfit now in the uk.

[A]

Oh, is that news?

[B]

GB News?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. And they're, they're, they're like, they're like the, our Fox News. It's GBN over there. And so the women interviews and she's like, I love what you've done to dc. This is. I wish you could be King of England. You could fix our country. But then.

[A]

Oh, okay, I get it. Yeah.

[B]

Trump said something interesting about this. So he's, he's mount. He's, he's mounting a lawsuit. We think, we don't know. But here's what he said about it. Well, when you push it, because they haven't offered orange, Sunny is they've offered no money whatsoever. They've apologized in a letter, but they haven't offered you a penny in compensation.

[A]

There was this figure of a billion dollars that you may be pursuing. I think I have an obligation to do it. Look, I'm not looking to get into lawsuits, but I think I have an obligation to do it. This was so egregious.

[B]

If you don't do it, you don't.

[A]

Stop it from happening again with other people. I think you probably have an obligation. I'd like to find out why they did it, you know, so bad. Who.

[B]

Who thinks like this.

[A]

And I wonder if they've done it. We'll find this out. You know, the nice part about litigation is we'll find out. How many times have they done it to other people? Maybe they did it to me quite a bit.

[B]

What he's talking about here is discovery. That's what he's talking about. The funny thing about.

[A]

Yeah, that's why it's never. And it'll never get there.

[B]

No, but he can sue BBC America. They're. They're in their U.S. no, he can sue.

[A]

No, he can sue BBC UK too. And we can do that because. And there were laws in the UK are. The libel laws in the UK are really onerous compared to ours. Ours, the standard is very difficult compared to the uk. The uk, you can sue left and right. I think they're trying to get to discovery. I agree with that, but I don't. I think they'll just settle and bust around with it. I mean, I don't know how they're going to get out of this.

[B]

If they're smart. If they're smart, they'll settle. But they keep saying, oh, no, we're not going to pay a dime to that guy. And this, this comes where the. I don't. I can't find any clips of it. Except, you know, they did an internal BBC video interview with Davies after he resigned. You know, where he said, well, he.

[A]

Wasn'T the bad actor, though. It's that woman who was running the whole thing and she came from NBC.

[B]

Yes, she was not in the internal video. And what's happening right now, they're in the middle of what they call the charter process. And this happens periodically where they have to go back and say, okay, British people, we need this much money and your license fee. And here's the. So they have this big process and documents, and this comes Right. Which is probably the timing of it. Besides the fact that the Telegraph was just bought by a Trump buddy, his money at least through Qatar, which, oh no, I'm sorry, Abu Dhabi, you know, to hit them right as they're going through this charter now everyone's oh, whoa. Because the BBC is corrupt. This biased. Really, I have to make it.

[A]

I have to give you an admission here which may be affecting my analysis and my personality today. So I recorded the BBC World Service. I record about two hours of it and then I go and get clips. But the clips are very different. The BBC World Service and the BBC presentations generally on audio are extremely dull and they're hard to clip. I do have some clips today, so I'm going through it about 1/2 hour into it. I don't know, every once in a while I do fall asleep at the computer.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But these guys, they drone on and on and on. Oh, and Trump, Rob, Rob, Ron, Trump, Trump, Trump.

[B]

And I conked out and it just kept on recording.

[A]

No, I wasn't recording. They were playing back. I was looking for clips. I pre record the clip. Oh, you conked about an hour and a half recorded. And I'm going through the recording. It's easier to do it that way for me. And so I conked out and I woke up, it's still going yak, yak, yak. And then Trump, blah, blah, blah. And then I look up hour. I was out for an hour.

[B]

And this was this morning?

[A]

No, it was last night. The BBC had knocked me out, literally put me to sleep because it's so boring and it drones.

[B]

I want people to appreciate it.

[A]

There's no modulation in the voices. It's just. And I was out for a. I looked up the clock, I said, oh, it's only like 10:15. Wait a minute, that's not 10:15, that's 11:15. And I said, oh my God, I've been out for an hour. I don't know what they told me, but I have to tell you, I didn't go back to check, but I don't know what I. But subconsciously I. Now I'm in. I've got a bunch of bad information in my head.

[B]

Oh, you've been corrupted. Oh, I understand. Yes, they've mind controlled you. MKUltra. Oh yeah. Okay, well then our. So all right, so then, Power of.

[A]

Hypnosis, basically, I didn't realize, but the show is hypnotic.

[B]

So you're forgiven then for your attitude. Okay, no problem.

[A]

Yeah, it'll probably take a couple weeks to get over It.

[B]

We have to deprogram John, everybody. Well, how about I lead you into your b. I'm looking at your list here. Just a factual overview, because I'm thinking this could be massive theater between Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[A]

You have the Marjorie Taylor Greene stuff, but I'm going to play the UK Nexus, I think first, because we're still talking about that.

[B]

Okay, all right. Right.

[A]

And then we'll get to Marjorie Taylor and I. By the way, I'm in agreement that by the. And I got the Marjorie Taylor Greene from the BBC stuff. I must have fallen asleep shortly after that. The. You have no idea how upsetting that is.

[B]

And I'm hearing it. I'm feeling it in your voice. I'm feeling it. I feel you, bro.

[A]

UK Nexus Report 1.

[B]

It's long been said that one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. And perhaps the most striking example of someone who illustrated that problem was Nelson Mandela, who refused to renounce the use of non state sanctioned violence for political ends, but ended up widely admired around the world. Two current issues are sparking more debate on this. Here in the UK there are many people being arrested for holding pieces of paper saying I support Palestine Action, a group that has campaigned on Gaza and which spray painted some planes on a UK air base. And then there are the ongoing military strikes by the United States on Venezuelan and Colombian boats accused of smuggling drugs, which the US Justifies as strikes on a terrorist organization with which it is at war. Ben Saul is the UN Special Rapporteur on counterterrorism. He's been thinking about these issues for many, many years. Yes. Oh, yeah. How would he define terrorism? I want to call myself the podcast repertoire.

[A]

Wait, the funny thing is about the Venezuelan things, when did they start? They started like a month or two ago. Right, but this guy's been thinking about it for years. Many years.

[B]

Why? He's a rapporteur, after all. So as UN special rapporteur, we've had working definition since about 2006, and we say it's certain kinds of criminal violence intended to intimidate a population or compel or coerce a government to do something, and the action must cause death or serious injury to persons. Okay, so did he just say that what this is about is we're just intimidating the Venezuelans by blowing up their drug boats?

[A]

He's not saying that. He's. He's. What he's doing is. Is saying we are not going after terrorists because. Because by his definition, they're not terrorists. But what you just interpreted I believe might be the subtext. So they might be. Actually, he doesn't say that, but I think.

[B]

Can I do something for you for a minute? Just because you feel so bad about this BBC brainwashing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Now I know you don't wear headphones, so just get close to the speakers. Get close to the speakers. You ready? Are you ready? I'm gonna fix you. You ready?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, you've been defended. Okay, you're good now. You're good to go.

[A]

What? Hello?

[B]

It's fixed.

[A]

Is it? When are we starting the podcast? Onward.

[B]

Yeah. So on that basis Nelson Mandela was a terrorist or not? Well, Nelson Mandela was part of a freedom fighter movement. And of course this is one of the long standing debates going back many, many decades, whether freedom fighters or independence. Indeed, armed conflicts against an occupying power should be regarded as terrorism. Some of the international best practice standards suggest armed conflict.

[A]

Yeah, I like the use of the occupying power. If you know the history of South Africa, the Afrikaners went down there was abandoned. There was nothing down there except. Except some Hutus. It was like there wasn't anything to occupy except had vacant land. South Africa was, was. There was nothing there.

[B]

It was. It was occupied by the Dutch. It was colonized by the Dutch.

[A]

Yeah, but there was. But they moved there. But it wasn't like they. They took over from someone else. It wasn't like the Belgian Congo, another.

[B]

Fine North Sea Nexus outfit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, the Belgian Congo.

[B]

A hundred thousand. What a million people. They killed so many people.

[A]

Yeah, there were at least. Yeah, they're just killing people left and right. And it was different and it. And so, you know, it's. Just because somebody's there doesn't mean they're occupiers. I mean they like to make. That's the point I'm trying to make is they try to say the same. We're occupying a native American land. That's what they would like to say.

[B]

That.

[A]

Well, that this idea bull crap.

[B]

But if long we pray over it, it's okay, isn't it? As long as we just thank them.

[A]

Acknowledgement.

[B]

Freedom fighters or indee. Armed conflict against an occupying power should be regarded as terrorism. Some of the international best practice standards suggest that armed conflict should instead be regulated by international humanitarian law. The area of law that's built to regulate war and terrorism instead should be peacetime violence subject to domestic criminal law. Wait a minute. Everyone is bringing up this international law in context of these boats. What international law are they pointing to here?

[A]

I don't know. They never say There is.

[B]

I don't think they're really. There's no world Court yet, is there?

[A]

No, there is a world criminal justice thing and the World Criminal Court. There's these two operations they talk about in these clips that we're not part of. It's the Hague, so what difference does it make?

[B]

It's in the seat of the enemy in the Hague. I gotta listen to that. The US drug war in Venezuela, that's not a real war according to international law. President Trump, of course, is suggesting that it is. Yeah. So let's just deal with these two other sort of current issues. And you mentioned the Venezuelan one, so that. First of all. The Venezuelan one. So that. First of all, how much legal opinion is there supporting the characterization of suspected. Suspected. Suspected. Suspected drug smugglers, Maybe organized crime being terrorists. Man, that would have programmed my mind if that clip comic came across. I'd be like, what? The. The mainstream, overwhelming international legal opinion is that this is not a war or an armed conflict. That there is no right to use military force to simply essentially murder narco traffickers on the high seas.

[A]

Of course, the U.S. government.

[B]

Oh, that's interesting. This is the first guy who was just saying it correctly. We're murdering narco dudes on the high seas. Yes. Everyone else has been like, well, they're fishermen.

[A]

Well, he says that too, by the way. You let him, let him.

[B]

Oh, let him ramble. Let him ramble. Right to use military force to simply essentially murder narco traffickers on the high seas. Of course, the US Government has put its legal view that it is covered by international humanitarian law and that somehow drug deaths in the United States are somehow equivalent to an armed attack on the United States, allowing it to exercise self defense defense. But of course that's nonsense in legal terms. And no serious international lawyer worth their salt believes that. Well, no. And by the way, I think this show needs an international lawyer. I would like to have. Does Rob. Rob Carty. Do you have an international law degree? I want to make sure that we're covered. No, because that's not what it's about. It's about stopping your money through the Caribbean nations where you've been benefiting from this for centuries.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's not about.

[A]

By explaining their own people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We must continue.

[B]

Where would that get tested in a legal body? Which court would hear that if it went to court? Well, unfortunately, the United States has not accepted the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice. Of course not. It also hasn't accepted the International Criminal Court's jurisdiction either. And that's very deliberate because it doesn't want to be held accountable by international institutions. That's not just a Trump position, by the way. That's a longstanding position of US Administrations of all kinds. It's why it makes it so much more important that individual governments diplomatically protest these kinds of killings. I mean, we now think that this is so amazing. There's countries doing all kinds of killings, including US, including all kinds of African nations, but this one is all of a sudden a big deal.

[A]

Yeah, we know the reason why.

[B]

We know the reason why. Trump administration has murdered at least 80 people in dozens of strikes.

[A]

And this is.

[B]

I never heard the BBC or this guy complain about Obama droning people and their kids. Never heard him about that. Just incredible lawlessness, which is also sending a signal to other states that they can act that way and also get away with it. Very strong language for a UN Special Rapporteur to use. But what is your take on whether a suspected drug trafficker or, you know, an organized crime cartel or something like that can be correctly described as terrorists? So, certainly terrorist groups have long been engaged in some forms of organized crime to raise money for their cause. Think of the Taliban in Afghanistan. On the other hand, it's a really new phenomenon for drug cartels to be.

[A]

Labeled legally as terrorists.

[B]

So the U.S. has done it. But not only the U.S. i mean, it's also in the last year or two years, Canada, Honduras, Argentina, Ecuador. Of course, in some circumstances, organized crime drug cartels in places like Mexico or Colombia can absolutely use violence to intimidate populations or even to coerce or compel governments, if. Or targeting judges or prosecutors or law enforcement officials. Quite a few governments have an extra element in their definition of terrorism, which I think is quite a good one. That's the case in the UK that the violence also has to be done for a political or ideological or religious cause. And if you look at it that way, then I don't think you can say organized crime is terrorism. You know, the. The Dutch diplomats are also up in arms about this. Whoa. America should stop this. We should. They should stop doing this. You know why? It's like Rotterdam, man. Hey, sales are down, people.

[A]

Well, your point about the not bitching about Obama doing this. The other thing about Obama, he did it within sovereign borders of other countries.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, it was good.

[A]

We're doing it in the open sea. Yeah. All right. Was that the last one?

[B]

No, no. You have a short fourth here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The terrorism label, as we've seen in the United States, often A pathway for abuses, whether it's summary deportations of the alleged drug cartel members or now in the latest development, the military targeting of civilians on civilian boats carrying allegedly drugs. But some of them, who knows, might be fishermen. According to the report, his fishermen, they always have four outboard engines, of course.

[A]

Yeah. And they always go like bad side of hell. And they have a bunch of barrels.

[B]

I got some fish. I got some fish. I gotta get home. I mean, I gotta get to the other side of the. The sea real quick with my fish. Yeah. There's protests erupting everywhere over this.

[A]

The U. S. Military released photos of the firepower operating in the Caribbean power. The Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier strike group joins another eight warships, F35 aircraft and a nuclear submarine already in the region, escalating President Donald Trump's pressure campaign against Venezuela.

[B]

In an online post, the administration calls.

[A]

It Operation Southern Spear. Trump says he's basically decided whether or.

[B]

Not to take military action against Venezuela.

[A]

And the government of Nicolas Maduro. I can't tell you what it is.

[B]

But we made a lot of progress with Venezuela in terms of stopping drugs from pouring in. But we have a Mexican. And by the way, Trump has really got to stop doing these things on Air Force One. This sucks. I mean, it's every.

[A]

He's always in the. Is always in the little foyer that would. By the door.

[B]

Yeah, the audio sucks. This is not good. It's hurting the show. No problem. We have a Columbia problem.

[A]

Hold on. President Trump alleges. Can you run that through Adobe and see if it cleans up?

[B]

I can, actually, but I didn't have time. This came in late, but.

[A]

Yes, that's the other thing. You know, we don't have time. Yeah, you're right. Trump should stop doing that because we don't have time to have to fix his clips.

[B]

No, we don't have time to Fix your clips, Mr. President.

[A]

President Trump alleges illegal drugs are coming from both Colombia and Venezuela to the states United.

[B]

The US military has carried out roughly 20 airstrikes on alleged drug vessels in international waters and has yet to offer.

[A]

Proof of narcotics trafficking. Outside the White House, protesters voice their.

[B]

Opposition to the military aggression and the killings of at least 80 people in boats off the coast of Venezuela.

[A]

In Caracas, the Venezuelan president was engulfed by a sea of supporters and addressed the crowd, partly in English.

[B]

The peace of love. This is. I love this. Somebody make this into a techno song. The love and peace. The peace and crowd, partly in English, the love and peace. The peace.

[A]

American fighter jets are once Again operating in Puerto Rico at the former military.

[B]

Base, fueling more speculation of the next US moves. I just can't see it any other way as that. We're blowing every single drug carrier out of the water. Water? Colombia? No, Venezuela. We're not going to go after. If all of a sudden Gen Z rises up in Venezuela, then we're going after Venezuela.

[A]

But we don't have to do anything. The Gen Zeds will make it happen. Well, if they're actually effective.

[B]

If we want them to, yeah.

[A]

No, no, we have to initiate it obviously. At least by our thesis. And I'm in total agreement. It's us. Yeah, us as in us. Us. Our people, our agencies. Whoever is behind it, I'm. You have to guess it's, you know, one of the main.

[B]

This is a new era. It's a new CIA they've kicked out.

[A]

Yeah, they vouched a lot of the. They got the. Brennan's on the run.

[B]

Yeah, got him.

[A]

They got him out. They sorted out most of the DEI people and not sure they completely clean.

[B]

But they still have a lot of young, young, energetic, patriotic agents and they're like. No, no, no, no, no. We just got to get on the Discord, buddy. Come on. Hold on a second. Let me show you how it's done. You want Charlie, Kirk, dad, let me get on the Discord with this kid. The Discord is where it's at.

[A]

There must be some great back doors into that thing.

[B]

We don't need a back door. You just.

[A]

No, I've never been on it, so I don't know. Not sure I do. Are you recommending that I get an account so at least I know what I'm talking about when it comes to discord. Do you have an account?

[B]

I have an account on the light phone Discord. See these discords, they're kind of like separate little entities that are islands. And imagine it's like an old school bbs. You got a forum, you got your file upload.

[A]

See, this is why I'm probably not attracted to it. I've already gone through that phase.

[B]

No, it's not attractive but it's. It's where you know you can upload your files and you can, you can. It's, you know, it's kind of a like FTP.

[A]

Can I upload my huge files and give them. So I can send somebody a hundred megabyte file.

[B]

It's drag and drop, baby. Yeah.

[A]

So this. So this took the place of lockbox or whatever the hell that thing was called?

[B]

Well, no, I Mean this. This is what? This is what? What?

[A]

Look.

[B]

Who's on X. Millennials.

[A]

Who's on first?

[B]

Yeah. Who? Millennials and boomers are on X. That's who's there. The kids are not on X. They're all on Discord. It started with the gamers. I'm just giving my abbreviated version. The gamers would be in these. Discord.

[A]

I should know all this to it too.

[B]

You don't need to know it. You just sit there and sleep during the BBC and I'll fill you in. It's okay. Okay.

[A]

I'm gonna have to go do something.

[B]

We could set up a no agenda Discord. I mean, that's. I'm sure there. There already is one. I'm sure. And. And if anyone sets it up, we give it about one year and three months before it.

[A]

Before they turn on us.

[B]

Like everything else all of a sudden.

[A]

No agenda sucks, man.

[B]

You need to come in. If you're not posting on our Discord enough, you're no good.

[A]

Yeah, and then they start the Jew hate.

[B]

Oh, no, no, that's that. I need to check in with no authority. See how they're doing over there.

[A]

Oh, it's out of control.

[B]

You've looked recently.

[A]

I haven't looked for months. But last time I looked, it was out of control. Yeah, you might as well go to Blue Sky. Same thing.

[B]

No, I haven't. No, I don't think anyone looks at Blue Sky. Seems to have fallen out of favor again for the Discord. But this is. Is it. You set up a Discord? There's all kinds of things.

[A]

Who runs who runs Discord? Is it a publicly traded company?

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

Is there some publicly traded angle here?

[B]

I don't think they're public. Let me see. Let me see a boot. Let me look at a boot. So anybody. I mean they're clearly. They have. Their financing is very, very unclear.

[A]

Yes, because this is a spook operation.

[B]

I believe it to be mainly a spook operation. Here we go.

[A]

A boot.

[B]

Let me see. Discord was.

[A]

We can deconstruct this right on the floor. By the way, people were doing this on the fly. We're going to deconstruct how involved a CIA is on dimension one of the agencies.

[B]

A boot. Page. Discord was built to solve one problem. How do we mind control kids to do our bidding?

[A]

Doesn't say that.

[B]

How to talk with friends while gaming together. But much like the protagonists of our favorite game stories, all journeys have their humble beginnings. That's spook language. If I ever saw it.

[A]

Totally. I agree.

[B]

Jason Citron established this is a timeline. 2012 is when this starts.

[A]

Started 2012. Yes. That's important.

[B]

April.

[A]

That's when Obama got reelected.

[B]

Yes. 2013 Stanislav Vyshevanitsky joins Jason as they continue working together on their upcoming mobile game. So a lot of this is game, Game, game, game. Spring 2016. Let me see. We go beyond game. Summer 2016. Discord brings the power to voice call friends directly in DMs and group DMs. And unleashes one of its most popular features of all time. The ability to upload and use custom emojis in servers. Oh yeah, once you get.

[A]

Oh, there's nothing more important than a custom emoji that would account for the customer. Skull and crossbones with a little straw hat.

[B]

Let me see. So this, this is all gaming. Gaming, gaming. Oh. Spring 2025, Jason announces his transition from CEO to board member and advisor. Humam Sakhnini becomes Discord's new CEO. I think we already deconstructed this. That. This human Sannini guy, He's a Brit, Pretty sure. Let me see.

[A]

His name's Human Whomam.

[B]

Hu. Mom. Yeah, this is the guy from McKinsey King Digital. All British. All British.

[A]

He.

[B]

He was.

[A]

Well, how is it our op.

[B]

Well, we could still be working with him. Maybe it isn't maybe. Who knows?

[A]

But the British aren't that creative to.

[B]

Do these kinds of things. This guy came from Activision. Activision Blizzard.

[A]

Anyway, the right sounding background.

[B]

Anyway, anybody can set up a Discord. That's basically the whole idea. You set up a Discord, it's free. If you want certain functionality, you have to pay for it.

[A]

I believe there's a missing piece of this puzzle, it seems to me.

[B]

Right. Well, anyway, that's where the kids are. The kids are on the Discord. If you're. If you're hip with it, you're not on X, you're on Discord. You're on a. You have. Have your own Discord server and I think we should have one for as long as you have plenty of people.

[A]

That can set one up.

[B]

Yeah, we'll join. We'll get an account.

[A]

Maybe Chef Coble do it.

[B]

Oh, Patrick Coble.

[A]

Because he could. He could main. He.

[B]

He can manage it. He can manage it.

[A]

He's of the sort that he could. He would be brutal.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, he would. He would slice and dice.

[A]

He wouldn't put up with.

[B]

Yeah, he wouldn't put up with any. I don't know if he has time in his life for it. But I could ask ask him.

[A]

He has time and he's a busy, you know, he puts it. He makes you think he doesn't. But guys like that always do.

[B]

All right, now we're going to move to what I really I'm just thinking like we've seen this with Tucker, we've seen it with Elon, like oh, big fight and then they go off and they do their thing and there's reconciliation and Tucker is somehow involved in the this rooting out of entities unwanted in the Republican Party and probably unwanted in.

[A]

The this one here. I can't disagree with you on any of this because I felt the same way when I first heard now my clips. I got an NPR and two BBCs.

[B]

Why don't I play that? Because what I have is straight up reads of what Trump posted and what Marjorie Taylor Greene replied. So it's just a.

[A]

That should go first.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's straight read of. Instead of me reading it, we got some other nut job reading it.

[A]

I want to read you again what.

[B]

President Trump said on Truth Social. He said, I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green.

[A]

Of the great state of Georgia over.

[B]

The past few weeks despite my creating record achievements for our country, including a total and complete victory on the shutdown, closed borders, low taxes, no men and women's skills, sports or transgender for everyone.

[A]

Ending dei, stopping Biden's record setting, inflation.

[B]

The biggest regulation cuts in history, stopping eight wards rebuilding our military, being respected by every country in the world as.

[A]

Opposed to being the laughing stock that.

[B]

We were just 12 months ago, having.

[A]

Trillions of dollars record setting invested in.

[B]

The USA and having created the the hottest country anywhere in the world, being a dead country just 12 months ago and so much more. He says all I see wacky Marjorie do is complain, complain, complain.

[A]

He went on to say it seemed to all begin when I sent her.

[B]

A poll stating that she should not run for senator or governor. She was at 12% and didn't have a chance unless of course she had.

[A]

My endorsement, which she wasn't upset about to get.

[B]

He said she has told many people that she's upset that I don't return.

[A]

Her phone calls anymore. But with 219 congressmen and women, 53 US senators, 24 cabinet members and almost.

[B]

200 countries and an otherwise normal life to lead, I can't take a ranting lunatics calls every day, he says.

[A]

I understand that wonderful conservative people are thinking about probably primaring Marjorie in her.

[B]

District of Georgia that they are two. Two are fed up with her and.

[A]

Her antics and if the right person.

[B]

Runs, they will have my complete and unyielding support. She has gone far left, even doing the View with their low IQ Republican hating anchors.

[A]

Trump says thank you for your attention to this matter.

[B]

Make America great again. So when I hear this, I'm like, really? And here's her reply. She posted this.

[A]

She said, president Trump just attacked me.

[B]

And lied about me.

[A]

I haven't called him at all, but.

[B]

I did send these text messages today.

[A]

We will show you those in a moment. She said, apparently this is what sent.

[B]

Him over the edge, the Epstein files. And of course he's coming now. Just, just. I just got to stop here for a second. Three weeks ago, Marjorie Taylor Greene was all about Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, ap, Israel, apec, Israel. It had dropped and now it's Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. I feel a setup in this. This is the setup. Epstein files. And of course he's coming after me. Hard to make an example to scare all the other Republicans before next week's.

[A]

Vote to release the Epstein files.

[B]

She says it's astonishing, really, how hard he scares fighting to stop the Epstein files from coming out and that he actually goes to this level. She says. She went on to say, but really, most Americans wish he would fight this.

[A]

Hard to help the forgotten men and.

[B]

Women of America who are fed up with foreign wars and foreign causes, are.

[A]

Going broke trying to feed their families, and are losing hope of ever achieving the American dream.

[B]

That's what I voted for. I have supported President Trump with too much of my precious time, too much of my own money, and fought harder for him even when almost all other.

[A]

Republicans turned their back and denounced him. And she also said, but I don't.

[B]

Worship or serve President Trump.

[A]

I worship God, Jesus as my savior.

[B]

And I serve my district, Ga. 14.

[A]

And the American people I remember remain.

[B]

The same today as I've always been. And I will continue to pray that.

[A]

This administration will be successful because the.

[B]

American people desperately deserve what they voted for. She said, for me, I remain America first and America only. She's bringing in the MAGA versus America First.

[A]

Yes, the. That's a classic split. And can you spell posturing? That's what the two of them are doing. Well, this is.

[B]

Yeah, WWF is what I'm feeling here. This is a classic.

[A]

Oh, yes, exactly.

[B]

This is what Trump does. I mean, he understands. He understands this kind of show business.

[A]

His pencil neck geek.

[B]

Yeah. All right, so what did you get. So did she go on the BBC? Is that what these clips are from?

[A]

No, these are just analysis clips, pretty much. Not. Not the classic.

[B]

What is the BBC doing analysis on? Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[A]

Well, that's. Isn't that interesting. Well, let's start with the NPR clip because that's a short summary.

[B]

Okay, here we go. President Trump is cutting ties with Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. The president posting on social media, announcing he's withdrawn support from The Georgia Republican. NPR's Ava Pukach reports that Green suspension. The rift came from her support for the release of the Epstein files. In his post, Trump called for conservatives to primary Green, saying, quote, if the right person runs, they will have my complete and unyielding support. Greene said in a post of her own that she had sent the President a text regarding the Epstein files, which she said, quote, sent him over the edge. She said Trump is trying to make.

[A]

An example of her to scare.

[B]

Scare other Republicans ahead of the House's vote to force the release of the Epstein files. Greene has been a longtime Trump ally and prominent MAGA figure, but she's been at odds with the president, notably in calling for the Justice Department to release the files about the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

[A]

Okay, now, a couple of things there. One is that this is drawing attention.

[B]

To the Epstein file vote to the votes. Drawing the vote. Yes.

[A]

And Trump is against it. So that means that the people, you know, will have to.

[B]

Hold on, hold on. He hasn't actually said he's against it.

[A]

No, he doesn't have to. This, this rift, this, this points it out. I think the rift between him and mtg, which is you and I agree, is scripted bullcrap to get attention. Like, well, he doesn't want this to happen. And there's. So he's going to bring out the independent Republicans to make sure they vote for it. That would be Massie. That would be her, probably a couple others. And then they got the new woman in from the Democrat side. The Democrats, of course, because Trump doesn't want this. Are going to. Oh, yes, they're all going to vote for it. And at the end of the day, at least by both, and we both agree on this, the Epstein files get released and it embarrasses a bunch of Democrats and a bunch of big shots. And Trump says, hey, I never wanted this release. And now you know why? You can blame these bastards for doing it. Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, in the middle because it doesn't matter what side she takes. She said, well, I didn't know, I wasn't read in. Oh, poor thing. And.

[B]

That'S what makes sense to me. And by the. I mean, just as a very, very short one. And I have more of this later, later, because it's from valuetainment and it's 14 seconds. I think there's always time for a 14 minute valuetainment clip.

[A]

14 second. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

This is Michael Wolf on Value.

[A]

The got his tit in a ringer.

[B]

Well, but here's what he says. Epstein believed that it was Trump who.

[A]

First informed the police about what was going on at Epstein's house. And from that point on, they were nothing but bitter enemies.

[B]

Yeah, this is like, this is not unknown. I mean, Mike Johnson said it a long time ago. He said, I think Trump was an informant for the FBI against Epstein. But, you know, that doesn't matter because my X timeline is filled with hate about, you know, you and me. You know, we're protecting pedophiles now and we're, we helped get Trump elected. You know, you don't even know. You're so wrong.

[A]

There's that guy again. I don't know why we can't get.

[B]

Rid of him, you know, so I'm okay.

[A]

So let's go to your point that you made and I. This is the point. Why does the BBC care?

[B]

Yeah, let's find out.

[A]

So here we go with the BBC talking about American, what amounts to gossip, talking about MTG versus Trump.

[B]

President Trump has hit out at one of his hitherto most reliable allies, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. She has been speaking out, criticizing the U.S. close relationship with Israel, for example, calling for the release of the Justice Department files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein as well. And the president has now described her as a disgrace and wacky. The BBC's Nomia Iqbal joins us live from Washington. So look, this is a row between two big media figures. One, the president, obviously, but also Marjorie Taylor Greene, very prominent on the TV screens. Is it just that a sort of spat between two people, or does it represent something bigger?

[A]

I think it's quite easy.

[B]

Certainly I had a moment there where you feel a bit cynical and think, well, is it just two very close people who have fallen out? But I think it's much more than that. Marjorie Taylor Greene is this real firebrand, a loyal foot, so foot soldier to Donald Trump. She's known for fueling unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, but her devotion to Mr. Trump has been unquestionable. She stood by his 2020 claims of election fraud. She supported him in the wake of the Epstein controversy, Actually, she said she believed that President Trump had no involvement in the sex scandal. But in the recent months, she's really started breaking ranks with him. As you mentioned there, she has distanced herself from the US And Trump's very close relationship with Israel. She is the only Republican to refer to what's happening in Gaza as a genocide. She has criticized his tariff policy. How about this? How about this is exactly the intended result because. And this is just a dream scenario. In my scenario, we force the vote and everything gets released. And the biggest pedophiles are all British, many of them from the BBC itself, which is not completely unthinkable. How many pedophiles have had to leave the BBC in the past 10 years? Quite a lot. Bring in some more royalty. I'm sure we can bring in someone. I mean, look who's gone down.

[A]

That's an extreme interpretation of what might happen.

[B]

Andrew Mandelson.

[A]

Yeah, Andrew has had to leave the lodge.

[B]

You know this. I mean, at this point, who gives a rat's ass about Clinton? Like, duh, Clinton and young girls. Oh, okay. I'm shocked. Bill. Bill Gates.

[A]

Young girls.

[B]

Shocks. Yeah, shocked. Okay. But I think that there, there possibly could be. This is where people get on my ex timeline. 5D chess again, maybe?

[A]

No. What was that?

[B]

5D chess. Oh, 5. 5D. Yes. Now it's 5D. You know, I get blamed for things. You say it's incredible just because it's.

[A]

The way I do it. I do it in such a way that you will get blamed. Technique, believe me.

[B]

No.

[A]

If you had any idea what the technique was, you'd employ it it yourself.

[B]

Teach me, master. Teach me.

[A]

No, that one's. That one I keep to myself.

[B]

Teach me how to do it. All right, let's play clip two. She's just increasingly going against him and doing more media with a lot of outlets that maybe in the past she wouldn't have. And I think the Epstein scandal is something that has really come between them both. And just looking at her social media, her view is very much that the Epstein files should be released, all of them. And she's very upset that he's not doing that. And I think why it's significant is because we're talking about the MAGA base, the Make America Great again. This is a very loyal base of Donald Trump. And splitting away from that, I think is significant, especially when it comes to Marjorie Taylor Greene. And I think what we're seeing is a split between those establishment MAGA and the American America First. Right. These are the people like Ms. Green who believe they are adhering to the principles that Donald Trump campaigned on. Don't want to be too journalistically cynical. But I mean, I guess this is a fair question. Is she driven by these issues or is she driven by presidential ambitions and creating a bit of clear water between them with a view to what might be happening? Well, this, this is certainly what the cynics amongst in Donald Trump circles are saying that this is all about because he didn't let her run for the governor race in Georgia for the Senate ambitions as well. I actually know someone pretty close to Marjorie Taylor Greene and you know, some of her friends who have said that that's not true and that she basically doesn't agree with a lot of what he stands for and that they're constantly fighting and, and she had been fearing for her safety in terms of how other people in that world may view her stance. And actually on her social media, she's now saying that she is facing a lot of threats. Yeah, everyone's facing threats, Megyn Kelly, everyone's facing threats. But you know, these 20,000 plus emails didn't even come from the FBI or the State Department. They came from Epstein's estate. And you might not have heard this, but during the 2019 House hearing of Michael Cohen, Trump's fixer, Epstein was texting with the Democrat from. Stacey Plaskett, the Democrat from the US Virgin Islands, non voting member actually. But he's texting with her. Oh no, you got to talk about Rona, referring to his personal secretary, Rona. I forget what her last name was. Everybody has Rona Graff, everybody has her number, you know, so it's so obvious that Trump has nothing anywhere that is bad for him, but only for Democrats, Brits, elites. I mean, it just, this seems like you're so right. Like, yeah, I told you you didn't want to do it. It's just a little too early. It should be closer to the midterms.

[A]

Yeah, no, they have to push it off as long as they can.

[B]

So then this morning Massie comes on.

[A]

Abc and by the way, can I just stop for a second? I am sick of this guy. I mean, he's entertaining, he's affable, he's got, he's. Everything's a joke to him. He's like a classic old fashioned right winger from the 70s and he thinks that he knows better than everyone else and he doesn't like to play ball.

[B]

He's not that old. He can't be from the 70s.

[A]

No, no, he's got. No, I said he's the style.

[B]

Oh, oh.

[A]

Of a sevent right winger. Well, if you used to listen to 70s talk shows. 70s and 80s talk shows. I was with the right wingers. They all had a certain kind of a glib style. I know more than you do. It was a very obnoxious presentation. I. And I can't explain it any better than that.

[B]

In the 70s I was watching Speed Racer and Romper Room, so.

[A]

Yeah, well, that.

[B]

Yeah, explain.

[A]

I'm sure you were. When you were also not here, you weren't listening to American talk radio.

[B]

Let me ask you a question. If your wife died suddenly, how long do you feel it appropriate before you remarry?

[A]

Depends.

[B]

I'm just asking you on a personal level, what do you think?

[A]

I think you could do it within a year.

[B]

Yeah, that's exactly what he did.

[A]

It depends on your personal. It depends on your type, what kind of person you are. If you're like a couple or somebody just, you know, just gloms on, you know, women and gets married, or just couples up real fast. Yeah, it could be pretty quick. But if it's something that's pre. If you're already having an affair with somebody.

[B]

Well, he knew her a long time before.

[A]

That's always suspicious to me.

[B]

I don't, I mean, I have no standing in this area personally, so. But here he is. Let's listen to what he has to say. He also has changed his look. He looks a lot younger with the, with the beard.

[A]

I like the new lady, the beard. Well, she's got a beard now. What?

[B]

Yeah, he's got a beard, mustache.

[A]

Oh, I gotta look this up.

[B]

It looks much better. I have to say he looks younger in this. As a TV producer. I'm just saying I think he's reinvented his character.

[A]

Joined now by Republican Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who led the effort to.

[B]

Release the Epstein files.

[A]

Congressman Massie, thank you for being here. President Trump fought long and hard to.

[B]

Prevent your discharge petition from going through. You won that battle.

[A]

Now what happens? How many Republicans in the House follow your lead and defy the President on this?

[B]

A lot of them.

[A]

I think we could have a daily deluge of Republicans.

[B]

There could be a hundred or more. I'm hoping to get a veto proof.

[A]

Majority on this legislation when it comes up for a vote. And you know the President's been saying this is a hoax. He's been saying that for months. Well, he's just now decided to investigate a hoax. If it's a Hoax. And I have another concern about these investigations that he's announced. If they have ongoing investigations in certain areas, those documents are. Can't be released. So this might be a big smokescreen, these investigations, to open a bunch of them as a last ditch effort to prevent the release of the Epstein files.

[B]

I mean it is extraordinary to hear.

[A]

Him demand an investigation and only mention Democrats, only mention his political opponents.

[B]

But you're saying he doesn't really, may.

[A]

Not really even want any investigation. He wants to prevent the release.

[B]

Why does he want to prevent this? What is he, what is he afraid of? What is he afraid of? What could be.

[A]

You know, I've never said that these files will implicate Donald Trump and I really don't think that they will. I think he's trying to protect a bunch of rich and powerful friends, billionaires, donors to his campaign, friends in his social circles. And that's my operating theory on why he's trying so hard to keep these files closed.

[B]

That doesn't seem at all plausible. I don't think he cares. First of all, he's not. He doesn't need money to get reelected. So why are you protecting your donors?

[A]

Perfect. Yeah.

[B]

Is there something right there? Loyalty. He throw. He'll throw anybody under the bus for anything. He does it all the time.

[A]

Do it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All the time.

[A]

Yeah. This is, this has to do. But this has to do with the 2016 prime.

[B]

2026.

[A]

2020 2016. She's 2026 election.

[B]

So, so if, if our thesis. Because it's just a thesis. It's not that we go to bed at night hoping for the this. Although it would be kind of cool if it was a whole bunch of pedophiles of the BBC.

[A]

That would be. That part is new. That would be ideal.

[B]

That would be ideal.

[A]

It would be pretty funny.

[B]

It's possible. I mean we kind of papered over that Jim will fix it business. Don't talk about it now. Forget about the kids and the, the TV show with the kids and the, and the corpses and all. It's just talk about that. Maybe Massey is a part of it. Maybe Massey is. Is because he seems like, like you think, you know, you think he's a willing idiot in this, in this particular case.

[A]

He has to be this guy. If you just listen to him enough, you couldn't trust him to be part. You couldn't trust to read him in. You just get the sense that yeah, you could read him in and he would blow it up. You just don't. He's Just one of those guys. I believe I could be wrong. I mean, he may be a player. I just do not think he. I think he's an independent guy that does. And you read him in on something, he'd be a guy aghast. Think it's disgusting. I mean, the scheme would be. Why would you try to scheme against the American public?

[B]

The files would have to be. Would have to have something so awesome that you could drag it out for, well, essentially 10 more months in media, you know, because it. Let's say this comes out, let's say maybe January. I think it probably won't happen. Happen until then. There'll be some other, you know, Trump will probably do some more like, oh, and then you say, oh, whatever.

[A]

Okay, let's say the vote goes. They have to release the files.

[B]

Yeah. She can slow walk it.

[A]

She can slow walk it. Probably to February, March.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At some point. At some point, still, it has to.

[B]

Be so egregious that you can drag everyone down into it for six months. That's a long time. Time.

[A]

I know this is a real problem. I see it the same way.

[B]

All right, let's check out.

[A]

Click. Because of this, because of the quick. The cycle of, you know, people just forget, you know, they. This is what Schumer's banking on, you know, that the thing's gonna blow over.

[B]

And he's gonna be, oh, people already forgot about the show.

[A]

Yes, it's true. They've already forgotten. She was good to go.

[B]

He's back on track, and we're already done.

[A]

What do you think is actually in these files? I mean, we've seen so much Epstein material from the criminal cases. The stuff that just came out this week, you know, from the estate. What do you stop it again?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, they talk and talk and talk about these files. Have you noticed that not one person, including us, have mentioned the real kill, the real deal on these, the videotapes? That's what we want.

[B]

Well, maybe files. They imply.

[A]

No, they can imply all they want. They're not talking about. About the, the tapes.

[B]

Tapes. The tapes, the CDs, the CD ROMs. I think it's all.

[A]

Well, whatever they are, it doesn't matter. But there is Recordings. The recordings of people in the bedrooms.

[B]

I don't, I don't even think there's that much of that.

[A]

I, they, they said there, there was, there was closets full.

[B]

Let's find out. Let's. You know, we're all going to be on edge. We're just waiting for this Epstein material. From the criminal cases, the stuff that.

[A]

Just came out this week, you state what do you think is left? Yeah, I don't have to guess at what's in the files. I've talked to the survivors through their lawyer and we know there are at least 20 people in those files. There are politicians, billionaires, movie producers who are implicated criminally who haven't been investigated. And it's up to the FBI, not the survivors and the DOJ to release those names or at least to investigate them. And when I see Donald Trump announce a bunch of investigations, I don't see him going after these rich elites that are implicated in these files, according to the survivors.

[B]

So the BBC again, BBC wrote an article about who else was mentioned in it says Epstein files. But I think that's just these emails. So Michael Wolff, we know that the Larry Summers is interesting thing. Yeah, I think that now he was, what was his job previously?

[A]

He was in the treasury. He was Right, right.

[B]

Katherine Ruemler.

[A]

Yeah, that's a picture of her in the list of the.

[B]

She looks worried. She's at Goldman Sachs. But this happened pre Goldman Sachs. Peter Thiel, probably nothing there.

[A]

I can't imagine what that could be.

[B]

He's gay, so yeah. He doesn't need young girls. Noam Chomsky, that's funny. Yeah, probably nothing.

[A]

But that was probably just, you know, he did this thing, you have to remember Epstein did this thing because, you know, different people got involved in it where he would socialize with scientists so he could find out things that he needed to know for some leverage of some sort of or other. So he would probably hang out with Chomsky. But I just cannot see that guy going to the island or even taking, getting on a plane going to the island. It's not going to happen.

[B]

Let's continue with this riveting ABC interview.

[A]

The President's gone after you in some deeply personal ways. I mean, attacking you over and over again.

[B]

Even attacking you regarding your wedding, your.

[A]

Recent wedding, which, by the way, congratulations. What do you make of all that?

[B]

And he's obviously supporting your primary opponents.

[A]

I mean, what kind of retribution are you facing? You know, my wife told me, she said, I told you so. We should have invited Donald Trump. He's mad that he didn't get an invitation. You know, we're taking it with a grain of salt. He's being a bully or trying to be a bully and they're trying to beat me here in Kentucky. But here's what's interesting. The people financing this campaign consists completely of three billionaires and they're all in the Epstein class. In fact, one of them is named in Epstein's phone book. Not the secret files that the FBI is keeping, but in Epstein's phone book.

[B]

So everybody's in Epstein's phone book. I don't know who.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. But who, why isn't he.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Does he tell us who it is? No. It's a small world.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Dogs don't bark at parked cars. And we are winning. I'm not tired of winning yet, but we are winning. And not only the speaker, but the, the attorney General, the FBI director and the President himself and the vice president. They're taking a big loss this week because after months of fighting, I am winning this week with Ro Khanna. We're forcing this vote and it's going to happen. I would remind my Republicans, Republican colleagues who are deciding how to vote. Donald Trump can protect you in red districts right now by giving you an endorsement. But in 2030, he's not going to be the president and you will have voted to protect pedophiles. If you don't vote to release these files and the president can't protect you, then this, this vote, the record of this vote will last longer than Donald Trump presidency.

[B]

Yeah, there's something. There's something there.

[A]

That's a good threat. I like that threat.

[B]

Yeah, it's a good threat. Yeah.

[A]

That would, would kind of make it sound as though he's in on it, but I still can't. I just think he's just a useful idiot.

[B]

Here's the last clip. Now, I've talked to Senate leadership who.

[A]

Tell me that this is.

[B]

Jonathan, is the one and only going.

[A]

To be brought up for a vote in the Senate. What's your sense on that?

[B]

Wait a minute now, what vote in the Senate do we need, all of us sudden? I thought this was a House vote. Do we need the Senate now, too?

[A]

Not that I know of.

[B]

Let me listen again.

[A]

Leadership who tell me that this is almost certainly not even going to be brought up for a vote in the Senate. What's your sense on that?

[B]

I mean, I guess if there's an.

[A]

Overwhelming vote, like you said, 100 Republicans join all the Democrats, the pressure will be immense. But do you have any sense the Senate's even going to vote on this? Well, they don't have the procedural maneuver that Ro Khanna and I used in the House. They don't have that in the Senate. It's called a discharge petition. But the senators do have other ways to force votes as amendments, for instance on larger bills in order to let bills move quicker through the chamber so they could force the vote in spite of the leadership's efforts. I just hope John Thune will do the right thing. Look, our own speaker tried to push this bill by unanimous consent last week within 15 minutes of me getting the 218th vote because he was trying to save people from a vote. If he's ready to pass it by unanimous consent then the Senate leader should be as well just bring it up. But the pressure is going to be there if we get a big vote in the House.

[B]

Oh, so it sounds like you do need the Senate to vote on this.

[A]

That's what it sounds like. But I like that the trickery of Johnson to do a non vote just pass it by unanimous consent and then nobody can have it marked against them is all. They're pro pedophile.

[B]

Let the Senate hang you let the.

[A]

Senators go for it and then you have to do the same thing because you can't be on the record voting against this because it looks like you're protecting pedophiles. And so this is very tricky and it's definitely going to have to happen. But. But if you're trying to get keep it from hap by our thesis, if you're trying to keep it from happening until the midterms as close to them as you can to submarine the Democrats, it's going to be rough.

[B]

Here's Senator Chris Murphy is brought into the conversation by Jonathan Karl on Epstein.

[A]

The President is now demanding or has demanded that the Attorney General, the Justice Department investigate his political opponents. And Pam Bondi responded by basically saying yes sir and moving in that direction. What do you make of that?

[B]

Well, it's both heartbreaking and totally unsurprising. The Department of Justice has just become a protection racket for Donald Trump and a witch hunt operation against his political opponents. This is why our democracy. Which part? Political opponents. Bill Clinton. Is he a political opponent? I have not heard a name who is a political opponent. Opponent of what? The 2028 election.

[A]

This Murphy guy's the worst is in.

[B]

Such peril right now is that for the first time in our history the Department of Justice operates in order to try to punish and lock up anybody that criticizes Donald Trump. I, I'm really proud of the work that Representative Massie has done in the House of Representatives along with Ro Khanna and yes, John Thune should bring that that vote to the Senate floor as soon as it passes the House of Representatives, it's true that Donald Trump is trying to cover up for, I think, a host of really powerful and rich people, but he's frankly not that selfless. He wouldn't be going through all of this effort to try to stop the release of these Fox files if he wasn't seriously implicated in those files. This is most likely the biggest corruption scandal in the history of the country. We know that because Donald Trump is going to these extraordinary lengths to stop these files from coming out. The Senate should take this vote. I think it'll be likely another big bipartisan vote. And I'm grateful to our House colleagues for sending it our way. I mean, what. The only thing that really could.

[A]

Yeah. Before you make that. I think he's. This guy's insincere. He knows exactly what's going on. The Democrats know that they're trying to push this off to the primary. I keep saying primary, but the midterms they keep trying to push off. And these guys know that that's what they're trying to do. So they keep saying Trump, It's Trump. He's in there. He's in the thing. We got to get it out quick because they want it out quick.

[B]

They don't want it.

[A]

But this is insincerity at the highest order from this guy Murphy. This Murphy guy is a bad guy.

[B]

He's a bad dude.

[A]

He's a bad dude. He's terrible. But he knows exactly what's going on. I'm not fooled by this nonsense.

[B]

He's up there with corn pop. Another bad dude.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How about this, though? How about. I mean, everyone's talking pedophile, pedophile, pedophile. This I would be less surprised if what came out is MI6. Possibly Mossad, but I think MI6 is more likely. That's what Epstein was involved in. That's what Maxwell was involved in. That's what Maxwell. Yeah.

[A]

Blackmail operations.

[B]

Yeah, but from MI6, not from the Mossad.

[A]

Yeah, you know it. Yeah, Maybe MI. Well, I mean, that's our thinking right now. We're kind of floating in that direction.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With this Anti MI6. All of a sudden we're were established that I may have been hypnotized in my hour and been pre programmed to blame the MI6 for something that Mossad's doing. Because the Jews, the Mossads actually run the BBC. And that's what we don't understand because we know that the Jews run the media. So why don't they run the BBC? And the whole thing is a misdirection. And we've been duped, both of us, possibly.

[B]

Here's the president. President, I know nothing. This, by the way, is sweetened by News Nation. They. This is run through Adobe. This is the president on the plane. And this is what it sounds like when you run it through Adobe, which is well done. I mean, I'm kind. It's, it's, it gets choppy here and there.

[A]

I know nothing about that. They would have announced that a long time ago. It's really. What did he mean when he spent.

[B]

All the time with Bill Clinton, Clint?

[A]

With the President of Harvard? Who? You know who that is. Summer.

[B]

Oh, Larry Summers, the President of Harvard.

[A]

Oh, no, he was with the Treasury Department. He became the president of Harvard later. Before or later? I can't remember. I'm at the. Look it up. Either before or later.

[B]

Now if you want an MI6 connection. Larry Summers, when he was at Treasury Department, Banking, City of London. I don't know Larry Summers, whatever his name is.

[A]

All of the other people that he spent time with. Jeffrey Epson and I had a very bad relationship for many years. But he also saw strength because I was president. So he dictated a couple of memos to himself. Give me a break. You're going to find out. What did he know with respect to Bill Clinton, with respect to the head of Harvard, with respect to all of those people that he knew, including JP Morgan Chase.

[B]

Now the JP Morgan Chase thing is very interesting because all those doc, no one's talking about it, but all of the documents came out, I think a week or two ago. And JPMorgan Chase, he was like, yeah, I need $800,000. Okay, here it is. Cash. I need $50,000. Give it to that person. There was all kinds of suspicious transaction reports being filed. Anybody would have been kicked out of the bank except for Epstein. And so if you listen very carefully to what the President says here, it tells us what we're going to see.

[A]

But he also saw strength because I was president. So he dictated a couple of memos to himself. Give me a break. You're going to find out. What did he know with respect to Bill Clinton, with respect to the head of Harvard, with respect to all of those people that he knew, including JP Morgan Chase.

[B]

What did he know? What did he know?

[A]

Yeah, maybe Trump does this. It's possible. I'm going to read you Larry Summers little bio here. Chronology. He was a Harvard president from 2001 to 2006. Then he became the United States Secretary of the treasury under Clinton in 99. Well, he's there from 99 to 2001.

[B]

Then he became Harvard Clinton Rhodes Scholar.

[A]

Yeah. And he's a Democrat. Yeah, Rhodes scholar. Yeah. Then he became the undersecretary. 95. 90. Okay. So he went from the treasury to Harvard and then he became the director of the national economics council in 2009 after he left Harvard. He was there from 2001, 2006. So he's a Clintonista and he. Right, yeah. Which brings us back. This makes it more English maybe it's.

[B]

Much less about sex stuff and a lot more about espionage, control, finance. Finance, yeah. Well, hopefully we'll know four more years. The one thing that I did learn, and this is possibly the reason why Bannon was kind of kicked out of Trump's circle.

[A]

And Bannon by the way, is listed on the group that Massey was talking about, the 10 people. And it was one of them.

[B]

So on the valuetainments I'm big on, by the way, I've been talking to Justin from the boots and the sneakers. No agenda boots. No agenda Sneakers. Yeah, he's all in. He says you're going to have cool stitching on the sneakers with no agenda on it. We'll do something cool on the boots. Yeah, no, we're going to rival the valuetainment boys. Boys with our.

[A]

They'll probably beat them.

[B]

Oh easily. We're going to be cheaper for starters. Like 599 bucks.

[A]

We have to consider the cost of these things. I mean you can't be.

[B]

Well, and these are made in America, not made in Europe.

[A]

Italy.

[B]

Italy. No, made in Merica, baby. By Merkans. Anyway.

[A]

Yeah, we know how to make shoes.

[B]

Sneakers. Sneakers. We invented the sneakers. We invented the sneakers. Sneaker. You need to have your. Because the PDB is the valuetainment are sneakers just with leather looking tops. Anyway. Onward. We'll get to that when we get to it.

[A]

Now you were making a point before.

[B]

You got the strike about the valuetainment guy. And I have to say I love the PDB valuetainment guy because he has.

[A]

Michael Wolf on and he's talking about PBD himself.

[B]

Yeah, PBD himself is talking to Michael Wolfe. And PBD is like he's basically. I mean if you listen to a whole interview. Interview. He really wanted to buy the tapes. He wants to buy the tapes. The hundred hours or whatever that Michael Wolf has. And Michael Wolf is not selling. But he keeps until he finally he actually at the end he says oh, I thought you wanted to sell the tape. No, no, I'm never going to sell the tapes because, you know, I'm sure he's being optioned. Hey, Brunetti. Brunetti. This is. You got to option this guy. Think about that.

[A]

That.

[B]

House of Epstein. Just a thought. House of Epstein.

[A]

Oh, yeah. That's a winner.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, 50 Shades of Epstein. Come on, man. Keep the fr. Keep the franchise going. So in this conversation, it comes up, and PBD thinks that Bannon has tapes, too, and Michael Wolf sets him straight on this. And I think this is probably the reason why Bannon was kicking. Kicked out. With the hundred hours that you have. Are there. Are. Is there anything in there, like. Let's just say I'm an interested buyer. I would be interested in buying the 100 hours that you have. I would. PBD is a businessman. I want to buy that, man. I'm gonna. I. I don't need Brunetti. I can produce it myself in Italy. Be interested in buying Bannon's 15, 16 hours that he has. Right. I would be interested in both of them. How.

[A]

Let me just add about Bannon.

[B]

Ban. I wouldn't buy them from Bannon if.

[A]

I were you, because Bannon does not own them.

[B]

Oh, who owns them? I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Jeffrey Epstein paid for those.

[A]

The estate owns.

[B]

The estate owns it. So. Wow. Okay, so that's. That's a new fact. He would never be able to use those hours in a documentary. Yes.

[A]

And again and again, let me. Let me stress that.

[B]

That although Steve, who I am personally fond of. Yeah. When someone says that I'm personally fond of you, that means I hate you. Steve, who I am personally fond of.

[A]

But Steve's cover here, that he was making a documentary about Epstein is 100% not true. I know this because I was there, and I'm fully aware and actually have it on tape of what transpired here. And that that was Bannon's effort to help Epstein with his legal problems. And this would be in 2019, when the law was closing in on Epstein. And Bannon's suggestion was that Epstein go on national TV to try to perform a mea culpa or explain or humanize himself in some way. Way. And then Bannon offered to help prepare him. So essentially, what. What Bannon was doing was media training. He was tutoring Epstein in how to face a hostile interview on a, you know, hypothetical 60 Minutes.

[B]

Huh. So Bannon was. Thank you very much. Highly unexpected clip of the day.

[A]

Yes, indeed.

[B]

So what would a former naval intelligence guy want to do to be helping Epstein with his image in a hypothetical 60 Minutes interview. This reeks of intelligence issues.

[A]

It reeks of something. For one thing, Bannon as a. As a image consultant, media advisor. Look at his own.

[B]

Look at his hair. No, that's not the guy Bannon shaved. That's not the guy. That's not the guy you want for that. So, you know, and. And perhaps that is the biggest problem is that because we know that Epstein, you know, oh, he's Intelligence. You know, that's what the. What was said during his early prosecution. Oh, he's Intelligence. He belongs to Intelligence. Everyone thinks CIA. No, I think British Intelligence. Then how close is British Intelligence to Naval Intelligence? I don't know. This just smells of something. Different sources and methods. I don't know. I think the whole smokescreen.

[A]

I'm just thinking offhand that Bannon meeting up with Epstein, supposedly as a media consultant, is really a debriefing.

[B]

Ooh, yeah, there you go. Debriefing. Yes. Yeah. Wow. I don't know.

[A]

It.

[B]

You know, it makes things exciting, though. That's for sure.

[A]

We're the only ones doing this.

[B]

Everyone else is mad. Just mad.

[A]

You know, it's stunned that we don't have better support.

[B]

No, this.

[A]

We did. We had a.

[B]

This is.

[A]

As we get into it, I do have a report about the Albany meeting meetup.

[B]

Why don't we do that now, man? I mean, it's. It's a good time for it. But, yes, when it comes to support, I mean, not just financially, but just philosophically, people are just. They're people who just hate us. Hate us for not, you know, being on the same firing line as the other podcasts. You know, we have always just spoken our own mind. Mind. And people can't believe it when. When they disagree with us or our opinion. And then, you know, we're captured. We're on the take, but we're not.

[A]

Nobody can identify who captured us.

[B]

Well, the Jews, hello. That's obvious. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage in the morning. To you, the man who put the sea in Chomsky on an airplane. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Noir.

[A]

Yeah. In the morning, se the ref in the air, steps in the water, in the dames and knights out there in.

[B]

The morning, to the trolls in the troll room. We have 00 listeners.

[A]

Yeah, unlikely, since they've been queuing you in more than once here today.

[B]

No, no one has queued me at all today. No, everything is now, I'm. I'm Honest about that. No, there's exactly zero. It literally said troll count zero. Listener count zero. Oh, wait, Darren O has 1880. Thank you, Darren. Okay, Darren somehow got the numbers. I tr. I trust Darren. 1889.

[A]

Okay, that's too low.

[B]

Well, it's what it is. There was. There's again, has been some problems with the. With the troll room. See, voidzero sent me some message during the show that there's something. Something broke.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It's what it is. It's amazing any of this stuff works at all. Yeah, I have to agree, to be honest. Anyway, those trolls are listening live. They're listening to us through noagendastream.com and they may even be. If they're smart, they may be listening on one of those modern podcast apps, podcastapps.com, where you get alerted when we go live or any of the no Agend streams. And in fact, any podcast can do this. Any podcast can go live. And these modern podcast apps. If you're listening right now in podverse or Fountain or Podcast Guru or Trufans, you'll see a little donate button. So you can literally, while you're listening, hit that button, and it'll go straight to our donation page. Bob's your uncle. Boom. Done. You can even boost us if you have enough sats in your wallet, and it shows up in our strike account. So we're a very modern show here. We're really doing some cool things, value for value. It's kept us straight and honest and on the right path for 18 years. It's always a roller coaster, particularly when big issues come around. I don't think I've ever quite seen it like this, though, where there's just so much vitriol out. There's a lot more podcasts, you know, and we don't go on enough other podcasts. We need to go on everyone else's podcast. Podcast.

[A]

Well, I find that disgusting.

[B]

What do you find disgusting?

[A]

I mean, I'll. I'll do it, but I. I don't. Because I see these podcasters, and they're. Tucker's on this guy's podcast, and he's on Tucker's podcast. This is the log rolling kind of thing. And. And they're all of the same. The America first people are the worst.

[B]

Yeah, this is.

[A]

And by the way, Fuentes has. You know, he has this. They even have a head hat.

[B]

Oh, he has America first hat.

[A]

Yeah. And they're blue merch.

[B]

Merch.

[A]

The merch. It's a blue hat instead of Red. And it says America First. It's to counter the MAGA hat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this phony baloney schism which by the way was mentioned in those BBC reports we played. The schism between America first and MAGA is bogus.

[B]

It's only on podcasts. It's probably.

[A]

And it's on. It's on podcast.

[B]

Yeah, it's probably about.

[A]

BBC brought it up.

[B]

I'd say it's about a million people who are aware of it and probably 300,000 who really care. That's what I'm thinking.

[A]

That's pretty generous.

[B]

Maybe. But you know, Megyn Kelly's doing her. We need to do an arena.

[A]

Megyn Kelly. Megyn Kelly. Candace Tucker Fuentes and maybe two or three others, Dave Smith perhaps, and a couple others are all on this America first bandwagon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're all blowing each other.

[B]

Yeah, we need to get in on that game.

[A]

And so they're going from their podcast to this podcast. Then they're talking about. They're not only doing that, they're talking about each other.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

On one side of the fence. And then they're talking about the other side of the fence which has got Trump.

[B]

But see, this is what happens is that's why. And I think that's part of what we're seeing before unfolding before us is they have to keep moving to new topics because at a certain point people burn out on the Israel thing. And it has moved this move from the Israel thing to the. Back to the Epstein thing and then it'll move to foreign wars and it's kind of a, it's a circular thing, goes around and around and around and around. And it is one of the oldest tricks in the, in the British playbook is divide and conquer. It kind of happened to the tea. The Tea Party. You remember the Tea Party, Romula?

[A]

Oh yeah. They got co opted by a bunch of Republican old hacks.

[B]

And then Ron Paul was out. They kicked him out.

[A]

Yeah, Ron Paul's the first. He was the first thing kicked to the curb immediately.

[B]

And, but, and I loved Ron Paul.

[A]

Do you remember, do you remember that this is during the era of the show. Do you remember when they had one of the first CPAC meetings and that's when the Tea Party was getting very prominent before they kicked Ron Paul out and they did a straw poll on who should be president and Ron Paul beat them all by a large margin.

[B]

Yeah. And all of a sudden Tea Party was taken over by somebody else who took over the Tea Party.

[A]

It was that there's one of these tec. Texas Congressman and you know the Texas is loaded with these, these two faced Republicans who.

[B]

No kidding? Like no kidding.

[A]

Yeah. You're there, you can see more of them than I know.

[B]

And let me see who took over.

[A]

Oh, I can't remember that one guy's name but he. And then some people from the Northeast also grabbed part of it and the whole thing was destroyed by the. From the inside out from co option. Very standard way of doing it.

[B]

Ron Paul pretty much says the Republican Party took over but it was certain people.

[A]

It was just a group. The old line, the rhinos. I wouldn't call it. They're not really rhinos.

[B]

Wait wait, wait. Didn't they got taken over by Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman and people.

[A]

No, no, that they came later. A male in particular who started the dominant dominate the Tea Party thing. We'd have to. We can do. We'll look into it later. It's kind of boring. But the fact is is that this sort of thing is what this divide and conquer and this America first thing is part of that.

[B]

It's. Yeah, it's part of that same same system.

[A]

And that's why you know, half these guys, they're all bitching about. I mean they were all. They're all in line with complaining about Israel and they're all in line about now complaining about Trump. They all have issues because Trump promised this. He promised that the guy's been in office for less than a year and he's supposed to have done this and that Fuentes hates him.

[B]

Right. But this is all about the midterms. It's all about the true control which will be the House and the Senate.

[A]

My prediction is that the Democrats will flip the House. They'll get the House impeach Trump immediately and what are they going to impeach him on the Venezuelan boats. That's why crops up as a legal thing.

[B]

Interesting. Hmm. Well that would suck.

[A]

Yeah. Because they just screw everything up and you're going to be back on track to nothing.

[B]

We just play those clips from the previous two impeachments. Same stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Just a waste of. Of time.

[B]

So I'm, I'm, I'm asking the AIs and it does see, Sarah Palin is mentioned continuously as.

[A]

No, she got involved. She was. No doubt about that. All of a sudden she's a Tea Party person.

[B]

Yes. That was the 2010 National Tea Party convention in Nashville. And that's when it all fell apart for Ron Paul, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachman.

[A]

Yeah, there's one guy whose name is mentioned.

[B]

I can. Yeah. So much jump up and down. But anyway, hey, time, talent and treasure is how value for value works. And the only way that we have continued on this merry journey for you podcast enthusiasts out there is by your support. And one of the ways you can support us is by helping us create AI Slop for the the show. We have a great addition to our musical coming up. End of show slop. And Darren o' Neil did the artwork for us, which was all AI. Of course, Darren knows what he's doing. This was the octagon.

[A]

This was. I mean, you don't have to do use AI for this simple joke.

[B]

He used AI well, actually, you know.

[A]

And by the way, yes. The stop sign is not six sided. We kept saying six sided.

[B]

Well, that's because the producer said six sides. Sides.

[A]

Yeah. And then we fell in line.

[B]

Yes. I also got another May Occult before us from the Archduke of Central Florida. He says a comment for you on show 1816 after the first break. You were talking about the 50 year mortgage. During that discussion, you talked about deductibility of interest for income tax purposes. You suggested there was a limitation on the amount of interest that could be deducted in 2017. The 2017 tax bill limited the SALT state and local income tax taxes deduction to 10,000. Raise it to 40,000. The big beautiful bill, this limitation only relates to state and local taxes, income and sales, property and sales tax. Property has nothing to do with interest. The only limitation on interest deductibility relates to interest on mortgages that are more than $1 million.

[A]

I looked this up and I would recommend people go to publication 936.

[B]

Oh, 936, everybody.

[A]

And it discusses. And the number they have there is not 1 million, but 750,000. So I don't know. But Publication 936 of 2024, a home mortgage and interest deduction, explains this. And yes, we're probably wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we do not give tax advice on this show. It's all just. We just talk.

[B]

He also said, not trying to be critical. No, we can do these.

[A]

Corrections are noted.

[B]

We can tell the difference in research. Yes.

[A]

The thing that he has to explain Publication 936 to me, the things that.

[B]

Get my goat is when they say, as a Christian, I don't feel you were really contributing to the kingdom with that conversation.

[A]

Yeah, well, that would be you mostly.

[B]

That gets my goat.

[A]

Yeah, it should. Okay, you. Oh, everybody out there, you got. You have your marching orders. You know what gets his goat.

[B]

Thanks. There. There it is. John being mean to me. Mean. So Darren did the. The no Agenda stop sign, which should immediately remind you to donate.

[A]

Oh, I, I got another note from. About the stop sign. One of our producers went on and on with a long exposition, which is so good I'm going to probably put it in a newsletter or I may put it online somehow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I get permission.

[B]

Summarize.

[A]

Yes, the original stop signs were.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yellow. Oh, and there's a number of. In fact, most of the stop signs were yellow until like the, you know, at some point they started. In fact, he's got. There's some town in Indiana that had yellow ones until like the 80s. And then he pointed this out that the history of the stop sign was not always what it was. And he. And he says stop in a German stop sign too. Instead of halt, he pointed that he thought that was weird. And there's also a blue, blue stop sign that came and went that was used in some sort of railroad crossings or something is different. But. So it's a very interesting lecture. It was a long two page lecture about stop signs.

[B]

I recommend that this guy write a book, the history of the stop sign. And we will in fact give you the little blurbs for your book. Yeah, couldn't do the show without this book. Other artwork that was. Now I like the sumo wrestler. You didn't like the sumo wrestler. I don't know why. You have something about fat guys which is also a Darren o'. Neal, the other one we talked about. We thought Jeffrey Ria's Poor African Kids with no Agenda T shirts was funny, but even we didn't feel that was appropriate.

[A]

Yes, we thought it was in bad taste.

[B]

Very bad taste. There were lots of drone stuff. The Legend Lesbian Report. I personally like Nessworks as I'm a podcast enthusiast. But like, yeah, the stop sign was just better. And people are trying to do little cartoons. You're over complicating it. The art just has to be simple. You know, you've got Trump, the Trump show hitting a red button. You're fired. Kimmel. Then a guy gets shot out of a cannon. Doesn't even look like Kimmel. Looks like Cobain bear. You're making it too complicated. Just try to be simple. Right.

[A]

It does look like Colbert.

[B]

Yeah, it doesn't look like Kimmel at all.

[A]

And they got the Trump show and then Dvorak and Curry down at the bottom.

[B]

Yeah, simple. Think simple. And Jeffrey Ria is thinking too simple. He's found the New model to use. New LLM, new generative AI. And it's got this very distinctive look, kind of blockish. What do you call that? You're the art. The art major here. What do you call that?

[A]

Blockish look?

[B]

Yeah, like the two spooks, the intel sharing. He's got a couple.

[A]

I had to find one of these pieces.

[B]

You're talking about if you roll down, no agenda. It's intel sharing. They got two spooks handing each other a classified document. He has a couple. He's done a couple of these. It's a. It's a style. It's a style.

[A]

It's a school of art.

[B]

Anyway. A lot of slop. Tons of slop. Which of course is good because that'll help the model collapse even quicker. That'll do. Good.

[A]

Hey, actually, the intel sharing thing is a kind of a variation of Spy versus Spy.

[B]

Yeah, but what's that Art style?

[A]

Yeah, that art style. There's a couple of. Of different things going on here. There is a. It's like a combination of cubism for the background. And in the front is. Cubism is something else. Yes, there's a Nabaist or something. There's some other screwy thing going on here, but it's obviously in the LLM, whatever it is. And why is the guy's arm going through the table? It's like his arm is like in through the table, the hard table that's there.

[B]

It's called bad. It's just bad.

[A]

It's just bad.

[B]

It's not good. By the way, Rob, the constitutional lawyer says sorry. Nope. US law is hard enough so we can't count them in. From international law advice, we will thank our executive and associate executive producers. Many of them showed up at the Albany meetup. So John will be giving his little report and of course including a note.

[A]

Someone sent in complaining about me, which will be. Lovely day.

[B]

I'm excited. We thank all of our financial supporters. 50 doll and above will give their name or whatever you put on, your payment details and your location. And of course, we always like to thank people who are able to give us $200 or more. We in fact, will read any note you send in within reason. And we will give you the title of associate Executive producer, which is an official Hollywood credit. You can use that anywhere. Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb.com $300 or more. And we will give you an executive producer title. And the same applies. We'll read your note and as always, the people who send in 300 or more short notes. Commodore G comes in from Cincinnati, Ohio. He is a commodore after all. $343.75. I'm thinking that's 333.33 with some fees added. He says thank you for your courage and diligent work. Peace and long life, Commodore G. Thank you, Commodore G. Okay, we'll start with.

[A]

The meetup money, including starting with Sir Lawrence of Dystopia. He's in Oakland. He actually didn't write a short, short note. I will try to distill it. It looks like it was typed and it looks like the ribbon is going. So that's just an advance warning. This is from Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, baronet of Maxwell Park. He becomes a baron today, by the way. Kilo Osco 6 echo Juliet echo 73. So he's ham. I hope this finds you well. I want to convey how much I love the tip of the day. The Grandma's Secret spot remover and the WEGO lever nuts come to mind. I use the Wego lever nuts on my elevators. It makes. I don't know what he's referring to, but he's using them. It makes a huge difference when a previous mechanic has shoved a bunch of wires into a terminal and it's barely holding the together. Yes, we all have done that with the WEGO lever nuts. I can put however many wires into one wego. The proper surrogate goes on. Lastly, after becoming a baronet after John's birthday extravaganza, I realize I am now a baron accounting below. And I should like to be Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, Baron of Maxwell Park. Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Adios, mofo. As he finishes.

[B]

The next two are notes that you have, so you might as well read those too.

[A]

Dame Audra. These are from the meetup. Again. These are older ones. It's the reason that we have a slew of them in J altogether. Dame Audra and I. This is from Dame Audra of Legoland and Dr. Don. And this is $333.33 cents. And this is a nice short note. Dame Adra and I love giving and receiving. Dramatic pause. Value for value.

[B]

Oh, I was fooled for a moment.

[A]

Kindest regards. Onward with a. Ross, Johnson and Eugene.

[B]

How about Sir Chris and Dame?

[A]

I'm sorry, Sir Chris and Dame Kristen.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

333. 33. This is on a card. You can tell by the that noise in the morning. Thanks for all the great media deconstruction. Twice a week we never miss a Show. This was our first meetup.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

But hopefully not our last. All the best to you and only the and and the entire no agenda back office. Cheers, sir Chris. And dame Kristen carm is there in Carmel.

[B]

I'll pick up with Ross Johnson from Eugene, Oregon. $333.33. I really appreciate appreciate a criticism with a donation. So I thank you because this is very critical of me. Adam is editorializing America away from home. I'm not quite sure what that means.

[A]

You're in Texas.

[B]

His newfound catholicism sucks. Wow.

[A]

Here we have the gellerm whatever that thing's called.

[B]

Gel man amnesia.

[A]

Gel manned. Yeah.

[B]

I am not a catholic.

[A]

Not at all. Believe me.

[B]

His newfound Catholicism sucks because we never talk about home truths anymore. I understand. Handpicking sides is impossible for Adam. Why don't we get us media deconstruction anymore? I'm a knight. I'm a little baffled by this. I'm not quite sure.

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

Is that because I play clips from abroad? Is that the reason? Reason why?

[A]

Well, I do too.

[B]

Yeah, but we also play u. S. Clips and we dere.

[A]

He makes it sound as though you're in England or Holland. As a catholic listen to one show and you're a catholic. You're like a catholic from France and you're bitching about the Americas.

[B]

Americans.

[A]

That's what it sounds like.

[B]

Yeah, in a bit. Yeah. Well, thank you, Ross. Again, any criticism accompanied by a dog donation is love.

[A]

We're good.

[B]

Love that. That is my favorite type of value.

[A]

For value, complain more.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Dame Shelley in Grand Forks, North Dakota. 333.33. You got me with the puppies. Dame Shelley. Good.

[B]

Then we go to surrounded by my privilege. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 333. This is a Jew money donation on behalf of BBM the combined. There we go. There's our Jew money.

[A]

Where's our.

[B]

Our tally for Jew money is pretty low. Sub 1000. Keep up the good work, gents.

[A]

Yeah. The muslims are beating the jews.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Just throwing that out there.

[B]

By a long shot. By a long shot. And then he accompanied a clip and he says please play. You choked. Oh, and he wanted Followed by two to the head. Okay. I didn't realize he wanted wanted that. Okay. And he sent this in.

[A]

You choked.

[B]

Okay. That must have been a bet of some kind. I'm not sure.

[A]

Pretty extreme.

[B]

Yes. Okay, thank you very much. Surrounded by my privilege.

[A]

Now we go to Gus coronel in Nevada city, California. Have the note. Gus came down from Nevada city. Please accept this. First time Donation on behalf of my wife. This is a sweet switcheroo.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

For Leora. L E O R A Coronel.

[B]

C O R O N A L Leora. Leora.

[A]

L E O R A Leora.

[B]

Yes. Done. Got it. In the switcheroo.

[A]

She hit me in the mouth during. Oh, yeah. I talked to him about this. She hit me in the mouth during COVID And our relationship has never been better. In fact, he came up to me later. We. And I'll finish the note. We love the show and have never had a fight. Thank you for all you did. No jingles, no karma. He came up to me, said. He said literally, that our show saved his marriage.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I. And this was during COVID so I assume there was some beef between the two of them about getting this vax or something or masking up or. There was something that was. There was a discrepancy in the way they were thinking. Thinking. And that's when he was introduced to the show by her.

[B]

And she said, listen. Listen to this while you sleep on the couch.

[A]

And he said it was the best thing that ever happened.

[B]

Awesome. And I do mean that.

[A]

Yeah, I do, too. I agree.

[B]

Another associate executive producership. He racks him up almost every single show for Eli the Coffee Guy from Bensonville, Illinois, to 1160. He always sends us $200 plus the dates. 1116. You get it? He says a lot of you have been asking when the answer is now. Ah. Gigawatt Nitro. Cold brew cans have officially arrived and producers get the first dibs. This is an outstanding product I blasted through my recent supply. Yeah. Remember to shake. Shake vigorously before you drink it. It releases.

[A]

Yeah, I did that. Finally, the second can, I shook it up and it, you know, formed.

[B]

Yeah. You got some nitro?

[A]

Yeah, I got nitro.

[B]

From Today through Wednesday, 11 18, we're doing a limited early release ahead of our full Black Friday launch. Fresh, smooth. And finally. Here, grab yours. Now agigawatt Coffee Roasters dot com. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. And a rare request for a jingle. Rev Al Jiddy with it. Okay. The GOP fighting is escalating. Political says Democrats are outright my Jitty. Happy to watch the GOP implode. Good old.

[A]

I got my bad. My current batch. He sent me three bags, four bags of the latest blends.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I want to thank him for that.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Good, good, good, good.

[A]

Onward to Scott Johnson and Kiss. Kissimmee, Florida, 20477.

[B]

I think it's Kissimmee.

[A]

I think it's kissing me.

[B]

I think it's kissing. Kissimmee.

[A]

I think it's Kissimmee.

[B]

It's Kissimmee.

[A]

Well, he wrote Kasimi.

[B]

He did not.

[A]

So we're both wrong.

[B]

Kasimi. Kissimmee. Yeah.

[A]

That's why I said Kasimi.

[B]

Kasimi. No, it's Kissimmee.

[A]

Yeah. Kissimmee. Kasimi. Kasimi. Kissimmee. Okay. In the morning, John and M. Last time I donated, I was annoyed at how my note was ready. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Later I recall that you two are regularly mean to each other, so why should a producer expect better treatment? Then I discovered my own brother doubted the capabilities of my photo export app. He too was a scoffer until the day his wife used Photo Export to select and convert 140 movies from her iPhone in one job. She needed the movies in MP4 format to create a Year in the Life movie for their granddaughter on her PC. My brother was convinced. Convinced, I say, that my app would crash or just refuse to handle such a large job. To my brother's amazement, Photo Expert converted and copied the selected 140 movies in just a few minutes to a USB drive connected to her iPhone. I'd like to continue to support the best podcast in the universe. To make that possible, I need some insight installs and reviews of my photo export to continue. So please, if you have an iPhone or iPad, what is it? Why doesn't he do it for Android?

[B]

Nah.

[A]

Or if you know somebody who does install photo export today, you can find it on the Apple App Store. And finally, a big thank you to everybody who has already installed Photo Expert Scott Johnson and Kasimi.

[B]

Doing cross platform Android and iOS is very, very hard. Yeah, I know. We have an app that's we have an app called.

[A]

It's called Work.

[B]

Yeah, we have an app. Godcaster app. Very hard to do, so it's difficult. Hey, there's Sir Heb of Hogtown. I wonder if this is also Jew money from Altua, Florida. $200.66. Adam let's pretend it's 1989 and I have a dial MTV esque request. But instead of Guns n Roses or Devil Leppard in your best Mark Rutte voice, please say swapping out Biden is not an option and it's too risky to vote a third party in New York State. This is a little ode to my friend we'll do anything for money. This is a little ode to my friend Christine who I punched in the mouth a Few months back, she married into a family of insufferable elitist libs. And this sort of humor is all the that's keeping her from climbing. From climbing a clock tower. I'd also like to do the switcheroo for her, so please credit this donation to her. Christine Bonus, Asim alaikum, my brothers sahib of Hogtown. Well, I'm very confused now. Is this Jew money or Muslim money? It's confusing. So, Christine Bonus for the switcheroo. You got it. You got it.

[A]

Linda Lou Patkin, Lakewood, Colorado. 200 bucks jobs coming for competitive edge. She writes with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu. She's the duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[B]

Karma. Duke Slam Bob Rolling Knight of Guadalupe Lupe, as we say in Texas, $200 associate executive producer. And he says, sirs, I ask what is the outro music? It sounds like Coltrane. Drives me nuts. I can't find it because I loves me some atom music. Thanks to JCD for all you do was lost a bit. But thanks to no agenda, now I am Duke Slam Bomb Rolling Night of Guadalupe. It is the. I can tell you what it is. It is called. Called where's the file here? The Marriott Jazz Quintet. And the title of the music is on the Seventh Day. And we have been using that for forever, I think.

[A]

Yeah, I think so right off the bat because it's one of the pod Free or whatever you had it called. You had a website of pod Free royalty free podcast stuff, whatever.

[B]

Yeah. And now that I just did that something. Oh, hold on a second. This is it here. That's the one. Think I don't know if that was. Yeah, there was the Pod Safe Music Network. That's what you're talking about.

[A]

Yes, that's right.

[B]

Hey, there's Brian and Susie from Liberty, Maine. This is. This is Brian. And I had a back and forth and I was very hurt by his comments. And so he donated, which I thank you, brother. I love it.

[A]

What did he say to you that that hurt your feelings?

[B]

It was about. He was the one that started off with, you know, as a Christian, but.

[A]

It was one of those notes.

[B]

Well, no, but it was really more about us using Heather and Brett to explain gel man amnesia. And then after this back and forth, you know, he was. He was kind of like a Don't shoot Inside the tent kind of guy. And then after some back and forth, it turns out that the thing that really irked him is what you said at the end of that whole segment.

[A]

And what it was that I said.

[B]

You said, why are you even listening to that crap? How can you.

[A]

Oh, by Brett and. And Heather.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, because.

[A]

Yeah, why are you listening to that crap? You never answered it because I said.

[B]

That I like them and that I listen that I like their show. And then, you know, so what happens is people associate me with your horrible takes.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's not a horrible take. I think it's an accurate take. It's on the money.

[B]

Well, but. But this is it. And then so I'm like, well. And I was really deflated by it. I was, you know, you see, you don't have my life. I have to take all the crap, whatever secret sauce you have that everyone complains to me about you. Besides the fact that you don't have a phone that operates and you and your email blocks everybody.

[A]

No, actually it does operate.

[B]

And even if they could get through your email filters, they can't spell your name. And it goes to johnvorak.com 1010.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

You know, it's like, it's.org people, you know, or it's like I couldn't find John's email address, you know.

[A]

You know. Yeah, I'm not going to be.

[B]

No. These are all your tricks. So.

[A]

You know my tricks, my mind tricks. These are not the drones you're looking for.

[B]

And it's, it's, it's very discouraging to me. You know, it brings me down because people are always complaining about things you say to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And sometimes they'll send. Sometimes I say, you emailed the wrong guy.

[A]

And then they'll email once in a while you just. Yeah, you give them. But you're very curt with the people.

[B]

That do that because it's. It deflates me. From Brian and Susie in Liberty, Maine. Adam. Love you, brother. Love you too, John. Save for the TikTok clips, which are like seeing a dead deer on the road. Kind of sad and a definite waste of resources. No jingles, no karma.

[A]

Well, see there, you see, this guy's no good.

[B]

I've known this guy. I've stayed at his house. This guy is very good. He's a very, very cool dude.

[A]

Well, if he was, he would like the tick tock clips better.

[B]

That is.

[A]

Seems to me I could be wrong. I never stayed in his house. I do not have shacked up with the guy. So I don't know.

[B]

I don't measure people by whether they like TikTok clips or not.

[A]

Anonymous is last on the list. Turned 79 on November 4th. Gentlemen, I really enjoyed. Enjoyed the show. Continue the great work. That's a 200 donation from Anonymous. And I do have some meetup stuff if you want to do that now.

[B]

Let's do it. People came to the meetup. Are you kidding me? Let's honor them.

[A]

Okay, I'm going to start before I read the notes. But I'm not going to read the notes. I'm going to give some credits here for the money. That's like, for example, Tim and Susie Landreth from the. Landreth. Landreth something. And cattle. It's a cattle ranch up in the Nebraska. They were out here, so they decided to come into the meetup. They didn't come here for the meetup. He made that clear. But he did drop off some T bones from Nebraska and the frozen nice in a container with a cold source in there. And so I got some meat.

[B]

By the way, that reminds me, Texas Slim just signed a big agreement with the El Salvadorian Ministry of Agriculture. Agriculture.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

I don't know, but there's a picture of Texas Slim and the Minister of Agriculture in El Salvador. I guess it's. He's promoting beef in El Salvador. Anytime Texas Slim gets some positive news, I'm happy for him.

[A]

He seems like a good guy.

[B]

He's a very good dude.

[A]

Very good. Now we have John Lake in Santa Cruz. Came in with a hundred bucks. But his real kicker, which everybody who saw it said this, you know, all were aghast. He had. And I have it now. He was thinking of giving me a copy, but he decided to give me the original. This is a letterhead. This is letterhead paper, which I could probably type a note on. Letterhead paper from. It looks like the 40s or 50s is really like an old piece of paper, but with letterhead. Official government letterhead.

[B]

Oh, okay. And what kind of government. What is on the letterhead?

[A]

Biological Warfare Lab, Fort Detrick Maryland.

[B]

Wow, that's cool. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You got to see what you see.

[B]

Oh, how about this? You should type in there, you know, make it look a little. Do it on your old Corona typewriter. Keep under wraps. The deer ticks are bad.

[A]

Yes, we should talk about that in the show sometime. Anyway, I want to thank him for the break that. That was a lot of trouble to do that. He came with $100 on top of it.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

But the. This letterhead is just dynamite. It's a total collectible. And now I need the pirate flag.

[B]

That's the way to John's heart with a collectible.

[A]

150 bucks from Charlotte Worcester. She comes in. She's out of sale. Francisco. Then we have a Gen X donation. Says very carefully, it's from Guru Calcitant Steve, our buddy.

[B]

Crazy Surrey Calcin. Crazy Steve.

[A]

Crazy Steve. Yeah. He was there, of course. And so it was also. I got a toy ounce. I think it's from the Duke of San Francisco. He never leaves a note or anything. He just drops off a coin.

[B]

Silver.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not the. One of the ones that's got the Indian head on it. It's a beautiful piece of work.

[B]

Another collectible.

[A]

Well, it's, you know, an ounce. Then I got this from. This is Sufina or Shufina English, who wrote this very nice note. And she was there and she was. She was a great looking gal. I would say she's probably. I don't know. You couldn't tell her age. She could have been between 45 and 55 or so. But she's one of these people. And the note came in, she dropped off. It was only 50. 50, but she dropped off a note that is on Queen Mary to the boat's letterhead.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

She's. And if you look. And she's one of those people. I mean, this. I don't like to generalize, but I will because I always do it. You look at her and she. She looks like one of these people that are travelers that have been everywhere because her style and everything is not European, it's Internet national. And you just. She just pushed that out as she just. She's obviously been around this is the world.

[B]

Even though, you know, it's. It's sometimes a tough go with value for value. And people are yelling at me on X about you. We do have some of the most interesting people in the entire universe who are in Gitmo Nation.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

I'm. I never seems to be amazed by the. The. The talents and the experience that some people have. That people have. It's just, It's. I feel better already.

[A]

$100 lasted on this list here from the job. He needs jobs karma. You can do that if you want this for Giacomo out of Crockett, California.

[B]

Yeah. Well, yes, there's a note.

[A]

Yeah. The note just says from, you know, just a hundred dollars. The jobs karma. Please. Thank you for four more years.

[B]

You show up to a Meetup. You get it?

[A]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[B]

Not messing around. Not messing around.

[A]

Basic. Over $50 from. In fact, that was it. There was nothing under $50. It's kind of screwy.

[B]

Well, thank you all very much. Those of you went to the meetup and got John out of the house. I haven't seen pictures. I'd love to see some pictures. People sent me a picture.

[A]

Yeah. Luckily, there was no pictures taken. But I do have this note, which I belabor the point.

[B]

Extra notes. Yes.

[A]

This is Sir John, one of the guys that showed up for the first time. He says his son of Jupiter reveals no agenda. Meetup in Berkeley. This guy's from someplace else. And it was ascended J from Stephen.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And he goes. He was one and only. There was only one and only. John C. Dvorak. Had the host in the Berkeley meetup hosted by Steve was an absolute blast. There was about 40 people there. It was crowded.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

And so he goes on and on and on discussing, he says. But no note would be complete without mentioning the man of the hour doing Dvorak. I'd like to say we all had a great time. This is going to be a bone of contention, by the way. We had a great time meeting John. But from my perspective, he seemed to be a recluse sitting in a corner of the table. A table. It was. It was in the middle of everything, but okay. But to my knowledge, he didn't say anything to the crowd or thank the listeners.

[B]

Oh, you have to stand up and do a speech. You don't do that at your meetups. Like, hello, everybody, everybody, I'm John.

[A]

This is a public bar. Hello. Because I've seen people do this in public bars. What do you say when. What do you think to yourself when you see this? You go, who is this asshole?

[B]

What people don't know is that John is actually quite shy.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

It's okay for me to say that John is actually quite shy. Shy, I think, is the. Is the right term. You're not a recluse. You're not introvert. You're a little shy.

[A]

Well, I'm not gregarious as I could. As I could be.

[B]

So really, girls, you gotta go, you know, cozy up to him.

[A]

He seemed to be a recluse sitting in the corner of the table, safely away from everybody. And he goes on, he says, and talking to his son. Now, I will tell you this. I was sitting next to, actually Matt, the inventor was there with his, I would say, gorgeous Tall, fiance, girl, girlfriend. Paige. I was talking to her. Now she doesn't look like my son, I can assure you. Oh yeah, but the other thing is.

[B]

By the way, if you want to get John talking, bring. Bring a hot looking woman then. Then JCD will talk for hours.

[A]

That jc. My son wasn't even at the meetup.

[B]

Oh, details.

[A]

So I have no idea what this guy's talking about.

[B]

Why wasn't JC there? This is not outrage.

[A]

He has something to do. There was no desire to get immediate report with John or even a group of photos. But nobody asked. I have been. I've had my photo taken at these meetups quite a few times. Yeah, I don't like it. Additionally, I noticed that John had a Costco sized jar of cashews which the one of our blind night dropped off saying it might be a good tip of the day. And I was going to distribute these to have people describe them, but it was sealed so I didn't want to open the seal on the table. Someone might have gifted them to him, of course, but they weren't being offered out to anyone.

[B]

Oh, this is an outrage. You weren't sharing your.

[A]

Your bounty then after two hours that says I was there that long. I overheard while he was leaving that John wasn't feeling well. I don't know where he heard that from. If that's the case, please disregard this message above. Okay. I was sick and I hope you feel better. So this is a mismatch of reality.

[B]

The only thing wrong with this note is it wasn't sent to me that it was my fault. Otherwise perfect note.

[A]

I'm surprised it was sent to me actually.

[B]

Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers and to the producers who came to the meetup to get John out of the house. That is highly appreciated. It's good for him too. We'll be thanking the rest of our supporters. $50 and above. Remember, you can always support us and you should. Because we do this as a public service and it's your job to keep the public service going. Noagendadonations.com you can go there. You can give us any out anytime you feel like it. That's how value for value works. You get something out of it that is of value to you. Send it back. Value no agenda. Donation.com Congratulations to the executive and associate executive producers. Our formula is this.

[A]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[B]

So we were talking about it. We might as well bring in the Alpha Gal syndrome. This is the Lone Star tick that has now claimed its first victim. We have a dead person from Alpha Gal syndrome. However, the reason for this is not some bio lab in Maryland or maybe, maybe even. What was that? What was the name of that?

[A]

Fort Detrick.

[B]

No, no, Fort Detrick, but then Plum Island. Plum island in New York. No, no. The reason for this scourge is something you might not expect this morning. A New Jersey man is the first.

[A]

Known person to die after a tick.

[B]

Bite triggered a severe meat allergy.

[A]

This is really something that, you know, people should be aware of and physicians.

[B]

Should be aware of. The 47 year old went camping with his family in 2024 and got violently ill. After eating, he recovered, but two weeks later he ate a hamburger and again got very sick, then died. The autopsy said his death was unexplained. Then his wife had his blood tested at the University of Virginia where researchers determined he had an allergy called Alpha Gal syndrome caused by the bite of the Lone Star tick. What happens is people develop a hypersensitivity.

[A]

Or an allergy to this carbohydrate that is found in animal meat.

[B]

And what triggers this hypersensitivity or this allergy, so to speak, is a bite from the Lone Star tick. Lone Star ticks are mainly found in the Northeast, south and Midwest. They have a white dot or Lone Star on their back. Tick populations in general have been on the rise and are spreading to more of the U.S. one factor, climate change.

[A]

Due to climate change. Shaggy dog story.

[B]

Yeah, finally we got one.

[A]

I'm sick of this. You know, I would like somebody to explain to me how this works. Okay, That's. I want somebody to explain. There must be some expert out there. What. How does this happen? This is the screwiest thing I've ever heard. Any. By the way, you get this disease or syndrome or whatever you want to call it, condition where you're allergic to this carb or some protein.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of all mammalians, if you eat possum, you're going to get sick. If you eat beef, you're going to get sick. Anything that's a.

[B]

Well, well, because Alpha gal is also included.

[A]

Although, wait a minute. Wait. Possums are marsupials. I'm not sure you would get sick from possum meat.

[B]

Oh, well, then that's a bonus.

[A]

Only mammalian meat.

[B]

That's a bonus Alpha gallon.

[A]

So if you eat a beaver.

[B]

Yeah, you're fine.

[A]

And heaven forbid, we've all done that. I'm sorry, I. That was bad.

[B]

Wow. Very low, bro. Very low.

[A]

That was terrible. I had. It wasn't present, you know, what if it had been presented with a that's Marty level?

[B]

That was lowbrow?

[A]

No.

[B]

Well, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.

[A]

Maybe it was just not. It was uncalled for. The point is, is that it mammalian meat? What? This makes no sense to me at all. Tick bite, and the next thing you know, you can't eat. You know.

[B]

We'Ve already been through this. This is Alpha Gal is included in some vaccines, and I'm pretty sure that it's from the vaccines. I mean, I'm not a doctor, so I'm just guessing, ultimately.

[A]

Well, that brings me to this clip, because this irks me, too, about. This is. Pakistan died. Diabetes.

[B]

Okay, here we go. This is the BBC World Service with Lubna Care exploring Pakistan's diabetes crisis. Was this while you were asleep, this. This clip got recorded? No, I believe I'm a British Pakistani pharmacist and also an actor, writer, and comedian. In Pakistan, diabetes isn't just a medical condition, it's a national crisis. There's low hair, health, literacy. Public hospitals are stretched. Pakistan's diabetes surge is fueled by urbanization, processed foods high in refined sugars, and increasingly sedentary lifestyles.

[A]

I had a client, eight years old.

[B]

And he used to play cricket on the tab.

[A]

He doesn't know that he can play that cricket outside in the ground.

[B]

If this is not addressed, then this will be a crisis beyond what you.

[A]

Can imagine over the next decade.

[B]

Diabetes in Pakistan. A nation's struggle. Another riveting BBC World Report.

[A]

So we now know that they're having an epidemic of diabetes in Pakistan. We have diabetes like two thirds of the public here. Why can't they fix this issue? Is it just refined sugars? Ban them. We have. Did. We have a health system that's, you know, why don't we just make it illegal? Find out what's causing it. You know, it's happening here, it's happening there. Why is it happening in Pakistan? Because the sedentary lifestyle, all of a sudden, it doesn't make a lot of sense. But then they blame it on sugars or processed food, make them illegal. Why can't they do that? They don't want to do it. And the same thing with this Alpha Gal. Figure out this makes no sense that this disease exists. It's the stupidest disease you can imagine. Or my wife with her wheat thing, she can't eat anything that's from any grocery grains now.

[B]

Yeah, that's a weird one. And it sucks. You can't even take her out anymore.

[A]

Well, it saves so good for the budget.

[B]

Yeah. It's not fun for her.

[A]

No. Well, she's, she has to find places where they're very careful. It's the point. This is how bad it is. And this is all these things, by the way, not just this wheat deal, but she, you know, they find that if there's somebody's cut. Cut bread on a. On one of those slicers and they.

[B]

Cut meat on it, that, that just.

[A]

That right at the granular level, a crumb. And so. But it's the same thing with these other. These other problems that humans have. And it makes no sense that they can't just do an analysis and say, well, this is what's causing it. This is what you can do to correct it. And now we're good to go. They don't bother.

[B]

Well, because diabetes is profitable. I mean, obviously.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it's a money man.

[B]

Yeah. The reason, of course, is they're eating the dogs. That's where it all comes from. Stop eating the dogs. Well, then you'll love this little ditty from CBS f the Nation with Senator Bill Cassidy.

[A]

F the Nation.

[B]

This is another one you'll gripe about.

[A]

Secretary Kennedy has this handpicked panel of vaccine advisors.

[B]

You know them at acip. They're going to meet in a few days and potentially vote on changing the hepatitis B vaccine schedule for infants. That same vaccine advisory group is also considering the safety of vaccine ingredients like aluminum, which would impact a number of childhood shots. This should matter for American parents. Are you comfortable with what they are about to put to a vote?

[A]

I'm very concerned about this. As it turns out, my medical practice focused on hepatitis B. And so we know that because of a recommended dose at birth of hepatitis B vaccine. Recommended, not mandated. The number of children born contracting hepatitis B at birth or shortly thereafter has decreased from about 20,000, 20 years ago to like 200 now. That's 20.

[B]

Effectively a clerical error.

[A]

We have decreased.

[B]

Hold on a second. He said the number of children born, which is before they get the hepatitis B vaccine. Let me listen again.

[A]

And so we know that because of a recommended dose at birth of hepatitis B vaccine. Recommended, not mandated. The number of children born contracting hepatitis B at birth or shortly thereafter has decreased from about 20,000 20 years ago to like 200.

[B]

Now that's 20. Effectively a clerical error.

[A]

We have decreased the incidence of chronic hepatitis B by 20,000 people over the last two decades with this kind of recommendation. And by the way, if you're infected at birth, you're more likely 95% likely to become a chronic carrier. The vaccine is safe. It has been established.

[B]

And these ingredients are.

[A]

Speaking of. Have been shown to be safe.

[B]

This is policy by people who don't.

[A]

Understand the epidemiology of hepatitis B or.

[B]

Who'Ve grown comfortable with the fact that.

[A]

We'Ve been so successful with our recommendation that now the incidence of hepatitis B is so low, they feel like we can rest on our laurels. I'm a doctor.

[B]

I have seen people die from vaccine, preventable disease. I want people to be healthy.

[A]

I want to make America healthy. And you don't start by stopping recommendations that have made substantially healthier.

[B]

All right. How do you feel about that?

[A]

This guy has been. This guy is the stooge for the vax industry.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

He. He's always, you know, throwing out, I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. And then he goes on and on and condemns everyone. He's the one who threatened Kennedy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He says, you have to promise me that you won't do this. And that. And it was always about vaccines. This guy's a vaccine nut.

[B]

Here's. Here's Margaret Brennan asking if she regrets endorsing him. But that's why clarifying these statements, I think, is important, since you interpret them differently. I wonder, do you regret your confirmation vote for Secretary Kennedy? I smile because every reporter asked me that. Well, because these questions run right into a pledge that you exchanged distracted from him, not to tinker with some of the structures that were set in place to have oversight of these vaccines and this process.

[A]

So you live life forward again. You just do. Let today's own troubles be sufficient for the day. And I'll credit the secretary.

[B]

He's brought attention to things like ultra.

[A]

Processed food that has, frankly, never received.

[B]

This sort of attention before.

[A]

And people praise him for that. So he and I have publicly disagreed on some matters, but I strongly agree with him on others. And so. So that's how I'll answer your question.

[B]

That sounds like yes.

[A]

No, it doesn't at all. Doesn't sound like yes at all. She's terrible.

[B]

Yes, she is.

[A]

Is she even a journalist of any sort? She's the worst.

[B]

I have a couple of.

[A]

She used to be on the Today show or the morning show, CBS or NBC. I can't remember which one. But she was. It was the CBS show, and she used to be one of the hosts there. And every time Trump's name would. She's a pretty woman, and she. But she got the world. She really looks. She makes herself look ugly by scowling, and she would always scowl. And when somebody mentioned Trump or the Republicans, we mentioned Republicans, she'd scowl. And then when I saw her during the COVID era, I mentioned this on the show. She was in her house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In somebody's interview. And I didn't realize it. She with her. She had the hair band on the hair thing over the top of her head. And she was a dead ringer for Hillary. A younger Hillary. She's a Hillary Clinton clone.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. Well, she did look kind of cute with a hairband.

[A]

No, she didn't.

[B]

She did. So I'm gonna save my Margaret clips with the Secretary of the army, which is about drones, which is fantastic little series because this is exactly what my INS from the Department of War told me what they were working on. And it's all. But it's, it's like four clips and I'm looking at the time and I think that we should probably get ready to go because we still have tip of the day. We've got end of show mixes. But I did want to play one last clip as the AI industry has now gone lower than they could have ever gone. The lowest of the low. Once we've addicted people to these chat bots and, and we got kids, you know, killing themselves over what the chat bot told them to do. Here we go.

[A]

These seniors are learning about artificial intelligence and interacting with it in a whole new way.

[B]

AI is the most accessible technology that's.

[A]

Really ever been created. Jacob Catalano, a former product designer at Snapchat, has created a user friendly AI service for seniors called Sela Foster.

[B]

She's not going to judge you. She's not going to, you know, run out of time or lose patience. I'm going to go out today. Do I need a jacket or anything like that? Right now in Santa Monica, it's clear.

[A]

At about 60 degrees Fahrenheit, a light.

[B]

Jacket might be a good idea.

[A]

Unlike chatbots, where you have to type in questions, Stella lets you call a phone number and talk to AI directly. It can even remember details about you, making interactions personalized.

[B]

So it opens up a whole new audience that might have been shut out from technology over the last decade. Two decades. Humans talk and they text and that's what AI is. So if you can, if you can do that, you can use AI. AI is very knowledgeable and you can use it to do better things in life. I'm a writer and an artist and.

[A]

I'll be using it for my writing, I'm sure.

[B]

I think AI sounds great. I think it's something that seniors could definitely use and benefit from.

[A]

Stella Foster lets users chat for free on the phone for an hour each day. If you want more, it's $30 a month. There are no limits on texting.

[B]

Oh, man, this is so like, they're so hard up for customers. Let's get the old people 30 bucks a month from your pension. And you know these people are going to be on the phone with it the whole day. Oh, yeah. Until it says, you know what, you should probably just kill yourself.

[A]

Yeah, that's the problem with these AI systems. They're sick.

[B]

They wind up telling you to kill yourself. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[A]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[A]

We do have a few people that think they're above $50 today. And we got a little more than last time, that's for sure. Which was the lowest ever. And Adam will run through them.

[B]

Was it really the lowest ever?

[A]

It was the lowest ever, but that.

[B]

Was at the very end of the shutdown. So we're hoping that our incredible.

[A]

I have to attribute this to the shutdown. I think the shutdown affected the economy more than people like to imagine.

[B]

We thank Stamatina Hunter from Irving, Texas for her $105.35. Brenda Forsade or for Quad Poulsbo, Washington $100. Keep the great work. Thank you. Lydia Terry Dominelli from Rochester, N.H. 100 and she is on the birthday list for today. It's her birthday. Steve Niles, Santa Cruz, CA 9587 Birthday donation for Steve himself. Kevin McLaughlin There he is. From Concord, North Carolina. As you know, he is the. Well, he doesn't even say that anymore. He just says Laos Deo. This is boob donation. 8008. Praise be to God. Inscribed at the top of the Washington Monument facing east towards the rising sun. Sir Richard Hufford in Tempe, Arizona. Another boob donation. Thank you. He says Adam and John for helping improve our quality of life. James Mello, Seattle, WA 7903 3. Sir Camera Chris Grafton, Wisconsin Blessings. John Adams oh, this is 7777. He switched teams from Lutheran to being confirmed into the Catholic faith to join my wife and kids. Love and light. Wes Stewart, Mesa, AZ 6969. A classic. Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. He's on the list all the time. 6480.

[A]

Angela Wang did you miss Scott Fuller?

[B]

I might have. Scott Fuller, Cummings, GA 7404. $20.26 Farmers Almanac donation plus $50 plus fees. Wow, he's really up in the ante there. Back to Angela Wang. She says, a bitcoin donation for my daughter, Nova. Her birthday is today, November 16th.

[A]

You did Stephen Shoemake.

[B]

I did. Xenia, Ohio. Yes. Thank you for keeping me.

[A]

Keeping me back. Well, that's what I have to do. That's what I do now. Yes.

[B]

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[A]

I'm having so much fun right now.

[B]

You couldn't even understand it, could you? No.

[A]

And it's like, what was the point? No, because we're ending the show. We're not having fun.

[B]

Here we go. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. No, I think yours wins. Let me play it one more time. Wow. This show should be in the Smithsonian, as should that model from the LLM. He. Hey, everybody, it's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[A]

Adam, which brings me to a complaint. Uh, oh, so you said that model, you know, and it's a cute one. That voice. Because she does something. I don't know what their voice, but they. The cheap bastards at 11 labs, you know, they keep. They take my voices away and they give me these. I can't get my. The voices I want to use back. Oh, you've used them too many times. And. And they had, like. I had 10 that I could select from, and now I got three. Take it or leave it. They keep doing this, and they keep changing stuff.

[B]

Oh, well, that sucks.

[A]

They want me to pay.

[B]

Well, of course they want you to pay. If you pay, then you get to. Here, I. I got my voice.

[A]

Oh, no. If I pay, I know that there's all these things I can do, but I don't. I don't feel. I. I don't want to pay.

[B]

Yeah, I sampled my voice.

[A]

You paid. How much did you pay?

[B]

I don't remember. It's too much.

[A]

Yeah, it's too much.

[B]

Let me see what this is. Let me see how this works out today. Let me see if it's working. John is mean to me. It doesn't even sound like me. Let me try this one. John is mean to me.

[A]

Sounds just like you.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, let me see now.

[A]

Yeah. In fact, when you segued back to your own voice, it sounded like the same guy.

[B]

Really? You think it sounded like me?

[A]

Yeah, I think it sounds exactly like you said. Doesn't have quite the intonation, but it's not bad.

[B]

Let me try this one. Let me see if this one works better. Hold on. Now it's time for the tip of Day. Tip of day. No Tip of Day. That was my mistake. Tip of Day. But when you do your own voice, you can do other stuff. Now it's time for the tip of the day. That sounds like me. It even has my echo. My room. Now it's time for the tip of the day. But you can also do something like you can tell it to be sexy.

[A]

You know, I think there's something fascinating about the fact that instead of sampling like Clinton or the president or something you can use. You said this is like the Vanity Search. Let me just clone my own voice. I'm going to tell you something. You have that voice already.

[B]

You don't understand. I don't want to have to work. I just want to have an AI that talks to you.

[A]

That's never going to happen.

[B]

Three and a half hours twice.

[A]

Well, it'd be interesting to try, but it's going to be dull.

[B]

You listen to this. Now it's time for the tip of the day. You should pay for this stuff, man.

[A]

I like the way you amuse yourself by sampling yourself.

[B]

This is all intended for me to just be able to not get up at 5am on Sundays. That's, that's all that this is about. Just once a week, have AI Adam do the show with you. I'm building this whole system.

[A]

Well, good for you. It won't work because it cannot interact.

[B]

It can be mean to you.

[A]

Well, no, but it can't interact.

[B]

Yeah, not yet. This is just the first inning, John. Don't you know that AI is the future?

[A]

Tip of the day. So I looked as I, I gave this tip out in one of the shows before Tip of the Day Day existed. And I want to make it official to put it in the list. So when you go to noragendafund.com you find it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I looked there, I couldn't find it. They didn't even pick it up, you know, because they pick up a lot of stuff. Like if you say you like a book, boom, it'll be in there. But it's not Tip of the day. But it'll just. They, they have all these things that we've ever. Everything we've ever suggested in terms, you know, gigawatt coffee and the rest of it. This is the BO Shield T T9 from Boeing Aircraft Company.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

This is a substitute for Ranch Hand, which is my all time favorite substitute for WD40. It's just better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is the Boeing version of WD40. That's better. And it came as a tip from one of our producers who said, you know, tip of the day, you should do this. And he went a long exposition of why he loves this stuff. He's a mechanic. And I said, well, you know, I think we talked about it already and we did, I'm sure. Although I couldn't find it, any evidence of it.

[B]

What's it called again?

[A]

Bo shield b o e shield t9.

[B]

Bo shield t9. Okay.

[A]

And it is a cheap looking can which is from Boeing. It says at the bottom, just developed by the Boeing Corporation. So it's used for. It's a lubricant, It's a degreaser, It's a de ruster. It's. It does everything D4WD40 does, only it does it better. And it's. And it's also good like a liquid bearings. It's good for getting some. Something that's squeaky, that'll eliminate it.

[B]

Like your chair.

[A]

It would do the chair.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The problem is, the problem is you have to be careful with this and ranch hand and all of these things. If it gets on the floor.

[B]

Oh, because you can't pick it up. You can't. Oh, you know what? You did do this on August 1, 2024.

[A]

Yeah, it was pre. Tip of the day, though. It wasn't tip of the day, everybody. I, you know, this is the one that I wanted to plug some time ago and I came up with liquid bearing, which was a second second to it. This is called BO shield T. This is a.

[B]

This is, this was tip of the day.

[A]

I can't find it on the, on the website.

[B]

Well then, I mean I can just play this for you. You want to do it? You're saying exactly the same thing, which is kind of amazing.

[A]

I'm pretty consistent the way I present.

[B]

You're a consistent dude. All right, continue, continue with your BoeShield T9.

[A]

Don't get any of these products on the floor. No, you can't. If you try to rub it off, like you take a towel and get it off, it just spreads it and you end up with a part of the floor that's so slippery that you'll kill yourself. You have to get out a bunch of detergent and you got to get this stuff wiped up. It's just horrible in that regard. And so it's hard to just spray on something because if there's a floor then it drips down there. You, you know, you're.

[B]

Well, to be honest. Now what kind of disbursement mechanism does it have? Does it have like the straw that WD40 has?

[A]

It has straw, but yeah, I Never use the straw.

[B]

Always use the straw. I love the straw on the WD40. The problem is if you don't use.

[A]

WD40, use ranch hand T9.

[B]

But here's what I'm worried about, because when you spray it into hinges on the door, that's where I typically wind up using it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

If that gets on the door, is very hard to get off the door. And I'm sure the same with this. This bow. Bowflex T9 stuff, whatever it's called. I'm. It's hard to get off. I mean, you got to be careful with this stuff. You know, we need lessons in how to apply it. That would be a good tip of the day.

[A]

Well, that's why I like liquid bearing so much, because it's not in a spray can. It's in a little plastic thing with a very fine point, little dropper and it. So you get what you can get. That's what drop.

[B]

One drop.

[A]

You can get one drop right where you want it, and then it'll spread itself throughout.

[B]

It's great for lox, but let's be on. Oh, lox is another one. Let's be honest. These are great American inventions.

[A]

And they're needed.

[B]

And you don't. You can't go in Europe and buy any of this. They don't have this in Europe. If you say WD40, they're like what you say. Ranch hand, they're like what you say. Bowflex T9. They're like, what? Boeshall BO Shield T9. This is unknown in Europe. I wonder if you can even ship it to Europe. It's probably illegal.

[A]

Well, I have no knowledge of this one way or the other.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I go shopping when I'm in Europe. I go to this, you know, like that huge. That huge.

[B]

When's the last time you were in Europe?

[A]

2017. Yes, a while ago.

[B]

Just a bit.

[A]

And I'm not going now.

[B]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, in a reprise, but well worth it, is John C. Dvorak's tip of the day. Find them [e-mail] and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Burnetti. They need a lot of lube in Europe. So I'm just saying could be good for them. Could be a good thing.

[A]

By the way, of all these things, I still think that little bottle of liquid berries is the best.

[B]

It's the best. Coming up next on your no agenda stream, homegrown hits. The ladies will bring you the latest value for value music. It's a great show. It's streaming for you on noagendastream.com and before that we do have some end of show mixes, b dubs and deez laughs with OG Non AI. However, Will Treece comes in with a beautiful AI slop. In fact, it is the AI AI Slop Orchestra and you can listen to all of [e-mail] 24 7. Baby remember, we do not conform to the ways of this world. We are here to serve you your no agenda show. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country. Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning everybody.

[A]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where it's overcast and kind of miserable, I'm John C. Devorak.

[B]

We'll be back on Thursday. Please join us for more than three hours of media deconstruction from home and abroad. Until then, remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo foes. A hooey hooey and such.

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[B]

You love the techno stuff you love the techno stuff I do they do. You love the techno stuff I do Would you go to like a concert by tso? No, never. I could get you in I could get you up on the.

[A]

Yeah I don't have any your glow sticks and I like I like text note to listen to when I'm in an airplane cuz it pulls me out with your.

[B]

Glow your glow sticks with your glow sticks with your glow sticks.

[A]

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[A]

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To know it's the place I want to leave it's the place you want to go O L I V I H I English is worse off now.

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Were sus protest all day and all.

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Night Citizens put up a fight Trucker protest at Queens Park I was there.

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[A]

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[B]

Why must you be mean to John.

[A]

G Adam? Can't you see you love to see.

[B]

Him crying with each show you you call him boomer and say he's old afterwards he's left alone singing the blues and silence. You treat him coldly each show of the year you always scold him whenever.

[A]

The trolls on the earth why it.

[B]

Must be great fun to be mean to John G Adam can't you see you just love seeing me.

[A]

The best.

[B]

Podcast in the universe. Adios mofo. Dvorak.org Na wow. This show should be in the Smithsonian.