1818 - "Bible Belt Buckle"

Summary

No Agenda Show — Episode 1818: "Bible Belt Buckle"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: November 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In episode 1818 of No Agenda, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak dive deep into the week’s media headlines, with a particular focus on expanding narratives around "Quiet Peggy/Piggy" and Trump’s handling of journalists, U.S.–Saudi relations, media manipulation, rising “Muslim scare” operations in Texas, digital ID rollouts, processed food studies, and the ever-present spectacle of AI and tech hype. The show, true to form, deconstructs the most discussed news topics, calling out media bias, political psyops, and examining the forces behind these narratives.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Media Frenzy: The "Quiet Piggy" Incident

Timestamps: [00:22]–[05:00]

• Adam and John break down the viral "Quiet Piggy"/"Quiet Peggy" moment, said to involve Trump and a Bloomberg reporter.
• Mainstream media and social reactions—as exemplified by a “TikTok rant” (see [02:30])—are dissected for sensationalism and misattribution.
• Memorable Quote:

  News Reporter [02:30]: "This is an utter failure of the press...solidarity should not be optional when your colleague is being publicly shamed and demeaned and abused."

• Adam notes that the outrage was aimed more at the press than at Trump, and both hosts poke fun at the clip’s length and over-dramatic tone.

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2. U.S.–Saudi Relations, Khashoggi’s Murder, and Media Spin

Timestamps: [05:00]–[21:28]

• John introduces his "Three by Three" segment: comparing how ABC, CBS, and NBC each covered Trump’s visit with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the Khashoggi case.
• Each network is revealed to have edited the “fake news” accusation out of their report, and all are accused of slanting or omitting critical context.
• Hosts highlight ongoing Trump family business connections in Saudi Arabia as presented in each report, mocking the escalating figures and focus on “pumping” money.
• Memorable Exchange:

  John [10:56]: “But let's not talk about the 600 billion to trillion dollars Saudi is going to invest here. Let's talk about the $20 million they're pumping in...” Adam [11:12]: “As if the Trump Organization—which he's not really running right now—he's got other things to do.”

• NBC somewhat uniquely mentions the large-scale Saudi investment in U.S. jobs ([16:59]), and an NTD segment includes Trump’s boasts about $1 trillion in deals and U.S.–Saudi nuclear, energy, and A.I. partnerships ([19:29]–[21:28]).
• The mainstream outlets, the hosts assert, largely ignore the strategic and economic context—such as job creation and other mutual agreements.

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3. Epstein Files, Mainstream Political Drama, and Trump’s Press Conference Meltdown

Timestamps: [26:11]–[34:29]

• The hosts review a notably aggressive Trump response to ABC journalist Mary Bruce (triggered by her Epstein files question), which Adam says was really about accumulated press animosity and failed political timing around the Epstein file release.
• Memorable Quote:

  Trump [28:05]: “It's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter...You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter.”

• Adam and John speculate on insider strategies, Schumer’s behind-the-scenes role (“Schumerized”), and predictions that the long-promised Epstein files will ultimately disappoint:

  John [71:41]: “It’s going to be less than you think...It’s going to be disappointing.”

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4. The Texas "Islamic Threat" Operation

Timestamps: [72:01]–[103:19]

• The show exposes as an “op” the revival of the “Muslim takeover” narrative in Texas and beyond, led by right-wing influencers, media ops, and policymakers.
• Adam and John link the current meme—of “Sharia law courts,” mushrooming mosques, and “Islamic infiltration”—to classic post-9/11 tropes, mocking the recycled fear-mongering:

  John [76:14]: “It is a socialist Marxist group who do auditions and train people who look good theater kids and put them into positions of power. Has nothing to do with him being Muslim...”

• The origins of the Muslim Brotherhood, as manufactured by British intelligence, are discussed via a George Galloway clip ([80:38]).
• The recent move by Texas Governor Abbott to declare the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as terrorist groups is contextualized as largely symbolic.
• The hosts highlight the cycle of anti-Muslim operations ahead of important elections, pointing out their engineered and relatively weak impact.

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5. AI & Tech Hype Deconstruction: "Omniverse," Nvidia, and Humane

Timestamps: [35:28]–[59:00]

• Musk’s outlandish claims about humanoid robots “ending poverty” are met with classic skepticism and mockery:

  Musk [38:43]: “ My prediction is that work will be optional.” John [39:34]: “Money will stop being relevant at some point in the future. Okay, so he’s taken the WEF’s ‘You will own nothing and be happy’… Come on, this is nuts.”

• Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is scrutinized for his “Silicon Valley-speak” on “agentic AI,” “Omniverse Digital Twins,” and inflated GPU/data center deals with Saudi Arabia.
• The hosts demystify “recommender systems” (“Rexis”), making clear these are old paradigms repackaged for the AI moment.
• Professor Ned Block’s skepticism about the actual intelligence of AI/LLMs is highlighted, with fun prompts to debunk AI’s creative limitations:

  “Ask [ChatGPT] to draw a picture of a group of watches showing three minutes after 12...you will get 10 after 10 every time.” ([62:07])

• Memorable Moment:
  Adam and John riff on “Omniverse Digital Twins,” calling it classic “Silicon Valley gobbledygook” and smoke-and-mirrors.

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6. Psyops, Election Predictions, and Value for Value

Timestamps: [103:19]–[148:01]

• Hosts riff on the weakness of the current anti-Muslim op and predict that midterms will see more successful Democratic outcomes, as Trump’s Epstein calculations have fizzled.
• Other topics: stalled redistricting in Texas, the value-for-value model, and community notes/feedback (including “Who’s the real bully?” and generational trends among listeners).

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7. Processed Foods, Ultra-Processing & Global Health

Timestamps: [149:44]–[158:28]

• Adam and John cover The Lancet report on ultra-processed foods as a public health crisis on par with tobacco.

  “We are very clear now that we have reached the threshold where we can say a dietary pattern high in ultra processed food causes negative health outcomes.” ([152:09])

• The hosts challenge the narrative that processed food is cheaper, suggesting buying beef from ranchers as a better-value alternative for struggling families.

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8. Digital ID Rollout & Privacy Concerns

Timestamps: [159:00]–[161:20]

• Examination of Roblox’s move to facial age verification for minors, and TSA’s proposed $18 charge for non-real ID travelers—framed as moves inching towards digital ID normalization.

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9. Podcasting, Tech, and Closing Culture

Timestamps: [161:20]–end

• Bill Simmons’ suggestion to abandon the term “podcast” prompts a defense of “podcast” as a free, decentralized medium (RSS-based, not streaming “shows”).
• The episode ends with a tip: if you’re buying a new TV, LG OLED models get a joint endorsement for value and picture quality.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Media Bias:
  John [11:54]: “They’re making it up to questions on the fly.”
• On Musk’s AI Claims:
  John [39:34]: “This is nuts. That’s a shark jump of epic proportions.”
• On the Muslim Scare Op:
  Adam [103:18]: “...Every time we reveal Ops...we lose support because we can’t unsee the obvious.”
• On Processed Foods:
  News Reporter [152:09]: “Obesity, weight gain, metabolic disease, cardiovascular disease...early death from all causes. Poor diet has overtaken or is at least on parity with tobacco now as the leading cause of early death on planet Earth.”
• On Digital ID:
  Adam [160:32]: “None of this is good. None of this is good. It’s heading that way.”
• On the Value of Podcasting:
  John [162:33]: “A podcast is a program made available in digital format for download over the Internet. No, it is in an RSS feed, not just for download over the Internet, you dope.”
• On Community Feedback:
  Adam [106:47]: “For years, it’s been clear to me that John is the bully in the partnership. And you are masterful at disarming and dealing with it.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:22 — Introductions; "Quiet Piggy" controversy
• 05:00 — Three By Three: ABC, CBS, NBC on Trump/Saudi/Khashoggi
• 21:28 — NTD Saudi segment, contrast with MSM coverage
• 26:11 — Trump v. Mary Bruce/Epstein Press Conference
• 35:28 — U.S.–Saudi summit, Elon Musk, AI, Nvidia, and tech hype
• 59:00 — Ned Block AI intelligence critique
• 72:01 — "Muslim scare" operation breakdown
• 103:19 — Election, OPs, and listener feedback
• 149:44 — Ultra-processed foods and public health
• 159:00 — Digital ID creep: Roblox, TSA, privacy
• 161:20 — Podcasting: definition wars; “Padcast” bit
• 186:01 — TV buying tip: LG OLED endorsement

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Tone & Style

The episode follows No Agenda’s irreverent, skeptical, and incisive tone, with hosts riffing, satirizing, and calling out “media assassinations.” Banter is frequent; conspiracy and media manipulation are laid bare with humor and cynicism. Lengthy clips are critiqued, spun for laughs, and dissected for what isn’t said as much as for what is.

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Final Notes

This episode is a prime example of the No Agenda format: rapid-fire media deconstruction; deep dives into narrative manufacture (Muslim/youth/tech/AI scare ops); tech hype demystification; fan and community engagement; and a healthy serving of skepticism and humor. If you want to understand the play-by-play behind the week’s news stories, with context and subtext, this is the show—and the episode—to catch.

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For more value, see:

• [04:32] — Trump’s “mob boss talk” on Khashoggi
• [38:43] — Musk: “Work will be optional”
• [60:01] — Ned Block on AI’s lack of intelligence
• [80:38] — Galloway: “The British invented the Muslim Brotherhood”
• [152:09] — Lancet report on ultra-processed food
• [186:01] — LG OLED TV review (Tip of the Day)

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

It's a padcast. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Thursday, November 20, 2025. This is your award winning Kibble nation media assassination episode 1818.

[Adam Curry]

This is no agenda scrubbing files and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where the watchword is quiet Piggy, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Crackpot and Buz. Oh, man. Of all the things. Of all the things that have happened this past week, that's the one everyone's. Oh, I can't believe he said quiet Piggy. I'm not even sure that's exactly what he said.

[Adam Curry]

He said quiet Peggy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he said peggy.

[Adam Curry]

There's a woman that the first. There was a confusion. I had it written down. I don't have it in front of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me, but why come prepared.

[Adam Curry]

There was a Bloomberg woman that was one of the reporters and it was Peggy something. And there was another Bloomberg woman and they attributed him to telling the other Bloomberg woman whose name was Christine Lucy, I believe, of saying quiet Piggy. No one's ever interviewed her or this has never been confirmed.

[John C. Dvorak]

So.

[Adam Curry]

But it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was saying quiet Peggy, which was on the plane. You couldn't hear anything. And with this queen's accent. Quiet Piggy. That's it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it was, you know, it was that what you've been bitching and moaning about, which is that plane, you know, that you can't hear anything?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, nothing.

[Adam Curry]

And so I said, yeah. And so they made a big fuss. I do have one clip of a typical response to this is a TikTok clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what happened to you?

[Adam Curry]

I went nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

So quiet Peggy, I see like 10, 10 TikTok clips.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're all dynamite. But I got the quiet Piggy one on here. This is what the typical reaction was. And here's what's interesting, I believe. Here's what I think happened. I believe that when he first said it, somebody caught it and then they attributed it to this woman, this Lucy character. The press themselves put it out there so they could slam Trump. But if you listen to this rant from this, this, this woman tipped. Classic online rant. The media is what. Who gets blasted for this? Not Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is the Piggy chronicles is what it says. That's what it says.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Anything. It says Piggy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go.

[News Reporter]

Tell me why I just saw the president of the United States put his fin anger in a female journalist's face and tell her, quiet, piggy. And not a single other journalist in the area did about it. Am I shocked at the President's actions? No. That's not even the point of this video. But this man points his finger in someone's face and snarls, quiet, piggy. And the rest of the press corps just stands there like absolutely nothing happened. And listen, I grew up around journalists. I know how seriously they take professionalism. They are trained to keep their cool. This goes beyond that. This was demoralizing verbal abuse. That was not banter. That was not press tension. And her colleagues just watched it happen. This is an utter failure of the press. It is a failure of the entire point of the press. In democracy, journalists have got to stop fawning over access and start standing up for dignity and integrity. Imagine the impact if even one journalist had said, hey, you don't get to talk to us that way, or, you don't get to talk to her that way. Solidarity should not be optional when your colleague is being publicly shamed and demeaned and abused. And let's be real, this is not the first time Trump has obviously harassed or abused or demoralized the press, and no one stands up to him. Authoritarians don't rise because they're strong. They rise because people are too scared to push back or they're too focused on their own self interest when they cross the line. So, yes, obviously, I'm disgusted with the President. What's new? But I'm more disgusted with these journalists who just stood up there and proved that not only are they being silenced, they are silencing themselves.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she could have done it in half the time.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not arguing with that. This clip was way too long. I wish you would tighten it up. Yeah, well, but she did beat it to death. And it. But it was aimed at the media, which I think is kind of the ironic part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the President lashed out at all kinds of people and reporters. I didn't hear anyone coming to the defense of the ABC reporter.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have actually a series of clips that involve that particular moment, including his takedown of Mary Bruce is who you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You want to do that? Let's do it. It fits. We need to play something else. After that lengthy TikTok clip, he can.

[Adam Curry]

Continue to complain about the link, but it was under two minutes, and that's. That's my limit. This is the. Well, let's start. Let's do the three by three. If you want to play the jingle, it's with all there?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm ready. It's short experiment by jcd, Always at the ready. Comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC. They're never ending. Three by three. That's right, everybody. John has a three by three. He's got three clips from the big three. Abc, NBC, cbs. Will they sound the same? Will they have the same messaging? We're gonna find out. Who do we start with?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we're going to start with the Mary Bruce one and that it will go from there. And this is the ABC clip. Now, this is about the interaction between Mary Bruce and the Saudi prince. Ben Solomon was in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't say much.

[Adam Curry]

He actually did. He did say a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

He can speak English or you know about that particular moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, we chop that guy up.

[Guest Expert]

Why?

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a mistake. What can I tell you?

[Adam Curry]

It was just a. It happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

We chop people. It's what we do. Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Give me a break. I'm a Saudi. What do you want?

[News Reporter]

Tonight, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, fully embraced by President Trump, welcomed to the White House with horses on parade, a military flyover and a personal tour. Trump pulling out all the stops. Trump heaping praise on the Crown Prince.

[Guest Expert]

I'm very proud of the job he's done. What he's done is incredible in terms of human rights and everything else.

[News Reporter]

But it was the CIA under Donald Trump who determined in 2018 that the crown Prince orchestrated the murder and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi. President Trump bristling When I asked about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Dismemberment? No, no, no, no, no. They sawed that guy into little bits. It wasn't just his arms and legs, was it?

[Adam Curry]

Well, they had to get him in suitcases, so I'm sure they chopped him up into smaller pieces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm just correcting the record here.

[Adam Curry]

But I think you still use the term dismemberment.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think just chopped him into little bits would have been better.

[Adam Curry]

She can't say that. She's not gonna be. There's no proof of it, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there's no evidence.

[News Reporter]

Donald Trump, who determined in 2018 that the Crown Prince orchestrated the murder and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi. President Trump bristling When I asked about that, your royal high, the US Intelligence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is interesting. She actually does the report herself. Isn't this like one of the main things you're not supposed to do in journalism is make it about you.

[Adam Curry]

When it comes to the press corps at the White House, they always. They tend to do just the opposite. They always do their own reports. And then they say, I said this. I asked them this. I asked him that. Well, I asked the President this. I asked the President that. No, not true.

[News Reporter]

President Trump bristling when I asked about that. Your Royal Highness. The US Intelligence concluded the. You orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist. 911 families are furious that you are here in the Oval Office. Why should Americans trust you? And the same to you, Mr. President.

[Guest Expert]

Who are you with?

[News Reporter]

I'm with ABC News, sir.

[Adam Curry]

You're with who?

[News Reporter]

ABC News, sir. The President answering first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, she cuts out the fake news. She cut that out. His answer was, you're fake news.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, cut that out. You're right. Absolutely right. That's what he said.

[News Reporter]

I'm with ABC News.

[Adam Curry]

She cut a lot of stuff out. She made it look like she was doing her.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's doing her job.

[Adam Curry]

Went on some other shows later, too. She's pretty cool. Cool about it, but she's. You can tell. She's. She's a liberal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, gambling, anyone?

[Guest Expert]

You're with?

[Adam Curry]

Who? Yeah, I'm sorry.

[News Reporter]

The President answering first, defending the crown prince and instead criticizing the journalist who was murdered.

[Guest Expert]

You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Damn, I forgot. I should have mentioned this when you interrupted the clip. If you notice, when she said, she said the CIA accused you of being behind it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then she said, and 911 families.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are mad that you're here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is interesting. Well, because the 911 families know that it was Saudis who were actually behind the plot.

[Adam Curry]

Was it him? No, he wasn't even in office at the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, but he's brown. He's wearing a dress. Like, be mad at him.

[News Reporter]

Instead, criticizing the journalist who was murdered.

[Guest Expert]

You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. And we can leave it at that, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's mob boss talk. Hey, you like him, you don't like him. Things happen. What am I going to do?

[Adam Curry]

You fall off a bridge. It's not my fault.

[Guest Expert]

I have to embarrass our guests by asking a question like that.

[News Reporter]

But the crown Prince, who rarely faces the press, defended himself.

[Guest Expert]

It's really painful. To hear, you know, anyone that been losing his life for, you know, no real purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's painful and it's a huge mistake. And we are doing our best that this doesn't happen again. Hey, man, I'm sorry. You know, it won't happen again.

[Guest Expert]

It won't happen again.

[John C. Dvorak]

I promise you here. Won't happen again.

[News Reporter]

Trump has been eager to cultivate ties to Saudi Arabia, traveling there for the first foreign trip of both his presidential terms. And his family has been doing big business inside. Coming soon, Trump Towers going up in Jeddah and in Riyadh, a Trump Plaza now in the works. In the last year alone, the Trump Organization's Saudi partner pumping more than $20 million into the family business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pumping. They're pumping it in. It's a big gas handle. Pumping it in, yeah. Pumping it, yeah. But let's not talk about the 600 billion to trillion dollars that's that Saudi is going to invest here. Let's talk about the $20 million they're pumping into the pumping.

[Adam Curry]

This is, you know, it's also as if the Trump Organization, which he's not really running right now, he's got other things to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the kids and they're going to.

[Adam Curry]

Take it over anyway that they're supposed to, what, Shudder?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

While he's president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we all know this is fake. It's not at all like Biden and Burisma. Shut up.

[Adam Curry]

So here we. So we go from there. We'll go from. That was abc, Bruce. And we go to. Let's go to cbs. And you know, they, CBS is still kind of on pretty much the same report. And they don't veer too much away from it. But they don't. They don't. They also leave out stuff like fake news.

[Guest Expert]

You ought to go back and learn how to be a reporter.

[News Reporter]

The question that set Trump off was not an unexpected one.

[Guest Expert]

Now, who are you with?

[News Reporter]

I'm with ABC News, sir. He was asked why Americans should trust his guest, the crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, after the brutal killing of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. That's not what she did. She didn't say, should you trust him? She didn't ask him if the president should trust him.

[Adam Curry]

Not at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Just pointing it up.

[Adam Curry]

They're making it up to questions on the fly.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're making it up. Oh, no.

[News Reporter]

Saudi Arabia after the brutal killing of Washington Post columnist jamal Khashoggi in 2018.

[Guest Expert]

A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're Talking about whether you like him or didn't like him. Things happened, but he knew nothing about it.

[News Reporter]

That was not the conclusion of the US intelligence community, which assessed in 2021 that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman did approve an operation in Istanbul, Turkey, to capture or kill Khashoggi, who was a legal US Resident. Today the crown prince called this.

[Adam Curry]

They make it sound like he's a citizen of the United states.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Legal U.S. residents. Yeah. Of course. He killed an American man.

[Adam Curry]

That's the implication. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is Barry Weiss doing? I thought she was going to be pro Trump. What's happening?

[Adam Curry]

Not doing anything. That's what she's doing.

[News Reporter]

Capture or kill Khashoggi, who was a legal US Resident today. The crown prince called the killing a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that. And it's painful. It was painful for Khashoggi, I'll bet.

[News Reporter]

The moment marred an otherwise lavish welcome for the crown, who rolled out the red carpet for Trump in Riyadh this spring. On the eve of this visit, Trump approved a plan to sell F35 fighter jets to the Saudis for the first time, despite Pentagon concerns that China, a Saudi ally, could try to steal the plane's technology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, go ahead, steal that Turkey.

[News Reporter]

Trump was asked today if his family's deep business ties to Saudi Arabia are prompting preferential treatment by the US Government.

[Guest Expert]

What my family does is fine. They do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia, actually. I'm sure they could do a lot.

[News Reporter]

They already do a lot. In September, a Saudi backed developer unveiled plans for a $1 billion Trump Plaza development in the seaside city of Jeddah. Just yesterday, the Trump Organization announced a licensing deal with Saudi investors to build a luxury hotel in the Maldives.

[John C. Dvorak]

How did we get from 20 million to a billion all of a sudden?

[Adam Curry]

What they did is they changed the, the model. They. It wasn't the Trump. It wasn't the Trump Organization. It was a Saudi. If you listen again, it was a Saudi developer who had the Trumps in as a partner in a, in a, you know, there. So they. Yeah, so you could use the exaggerated number.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And then they drop in. Something about the Maldives, which has got nothing to do with anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aren't they. Isn't the Maldives tipping due to climate change?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're supposed to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like a bad business deal to me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't, I'd stay away.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't want. You don't want that? No. All right.

[Adam Curry]

So that report was as slanted as the other one. It was only, it was, it had a couple of elements that were.

[John C. Dvorak]

But again, no mention of the gigantic investment in the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Not one mention of it. Except they're going to sell them a bunch of F35s that the Chinese might steal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Ooh, yeah. Here's the keys, boys. All right.

[Adam Curry]

And so, and it won't be the current model, you can be sure of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You get a 2022, boys. You're not giving you the 2026. All right. With a touch screen.

[Adam Curry]

And there's, you know, you put fail safe mechanisms in these planes. So here we go now. NBC, it turns out another Trump hating network. Has they actually, it's probably the mildest of the. But it still includes the same most important things and leaves out the most important things.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, President Trump, they all had that trumpet though, didn't they? They all like, they love the trumpet. They love putting it as a nice nat pop.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight, President Trump rolling out the red carpet for Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, offering the kingdom's de facto ruler a lavish welcome, including an honor guard on horseback.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, should just mention Mohammed bin Salman, as he says here was the darling of D.C. before this unfortunate Khashoggi bone saw incident. Everyone's talking about MBS this, MBS that. They all loved him. Remember that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, vaguely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Oh, MBS. I was invited to MBS. Oh, MBS.

[Adam Curry]

And a military flyover.

[John C. Dvorak]

Including several F35.

[Adam Curry]

Jets, the same type of advanced fighters the president plans to sell to Saudi Arabia. President Trump touting Saudi Arabia's $600 billion of investments in the U.S. what it.

[Guest Expert]

Really means for everybody, that really counts as jobs, a lot of jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Now saying the Saudi investment could rise to a trillion dollars.

[Guest Expert]

You're saying to me now that the 600 billion will be 1 trillion. Definitely.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because what we are signing, it will facilitate that.

[Adam Curry]

I like that. That friendly reception for the crown prince, a major reversal from the international ostracism he faced after the CIA concluded he ordered the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018. President Trump interrupting a question about the killing.

[Guest Expert]

A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen, but he knew nothing about it. And we can leave it at that.

[Adam Curry]

The crown prince, who has denied ordering.

[John C. Dvorak]

The murder, responded and we've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that. And it's painful and it's a Huge mistake.

[Adam Curry]

While President Trump was pressed about.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like how he says we've improved our system. What system is that?

[Adam Curry]

He also says. Well, he also says it was a mistake. And if you remember the reporting on this, it was believed that they were trying to kidnap him and drag him back to Saudi Arabia to stand trial.

[John C. Dvorak]

For somebody went rogue.

[Adam Curry]

The reporting, at least some of it, was that Khashoggi was making such a fuss and causing such a scene. They had to hit him in the head or something. It killed him. And now that they killed him, they had to figure out how to get him out of there. He's dead by accident. You know, it was a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just love how we've improved our system of what killing people. What system is that? Mbs, the crown prince who has denied ordering the murder, responding We've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that. Painful. And it's a huge mistake.

[Adam Curry]

While President Trump was pressed about his family's business dealings in Saudi Arabia, including Trump branded luxury properties.

[Guest Expert]

I have nothing to do with the family business I have left. And when I, I've devoted 100% of my energy, what my family does is fine. They do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia, actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

That was kind of. So now before we get to the clip I wanted to play, there's one more just to balance the three by three with a four, which is the Trump Saudi Overview from ntd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[News Reporter]

President Trump speaking today at the Saudi Investment Forum to top business and tech executives touting billions of dollars in financial ties between the US And Saudi Arabia. He also vows to partner with Middle Eastern countries to work toward peace in Sudan at the request of the Saudi Crown Prince. NTD's Mariotsu has more from the White House.

[Guest Expert]

The partnership between our two nations is among the most consequential in the entire world. And together the crown prince and I are making an alliance stronger and more powerful than it's ever been before.

[News Reporter]

President Trump announcing that $270 billion in deals are being signed between dozens of companies today, thanking those companies for bringing jobs back to American workers. This coming just today after rolling out the red carpet for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in a day of pomp and circumstance which culminated in a black tie dinner at the White House this week.

[Guest Expert]

Our countries also signed groundbreaking agreements on civil nuclear energy, critical minerals and artificial intelligence. And we're going to be selling Saudi Arabia some of the greatest military equipment ever built, including nearly 300American made tanks.

[News Reporter]

The Saudi prince Tuesday Pledging to increase his country's investments in the US from a previous previously promised $600 billion.

[Guest Expert]

Yesterday, the Crown Prince announced that the number that they'll be investing in the United States is $1 trillion.

[News Reporter]

And President Trump hailing the U.S. saudi strategic partnership, announcing we officially designated the.

[Guest Expert]

Kingdom yesterday as the major non NATO ally. That's a big deal.

[News Reporter]

President Trump also vows to settle the conflict in Sudan by working out a piece of peace deal at the request of the Saudi Crown Prince.

[Guest Expert]

I just see how important that is to you and to a lot of your friends in the room. Sudan. And we're going to start working in Sudan. I didn't think that that was one that was going to be.

[News Reporter]

The President adding how influential his tariff strategy has been in ensuring national security and brokering multiple peace deals.

[Adam Curry]

Now, abc, NBC, CBS had none of these details.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. What's so ever.

[Adam Curry]

And they were more. I mean they were boring, but they were more interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the deal with Sudan?

[Adam Curry]

The Crown Prince. Yeah, that's what you'd want to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The Crown Prince is upset about something going on down there and he says it should. This is like battle between the classic battle.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's got to be oil.

[Adam Curry]

Where's Clooney? Is what I like to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

But beside that, with this eye in the sky. You're right.

[Adam Curry]

Where is Clooney Is like he wants it settled and Trump says he'll do it. Whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I have thoroughly enjoyed this press conference. Not for the nat pops and the obvious that the Big Three took away from it. But Trump had a shill in the audience. This was really good. And I take the President at his word that he's mad about this whole Epstein thing. And of course he doesn't help himself with calling this journalist fake news. Cuz his news doesn't get on the news. His news which he's desperately trying. He needs help. He needs help with these promotions. So he's trying to explain that obviously the money that's being brought in, that's going to be invested into the United States in automotive, in ships. Ships, Pennsylvania of all places, billions of dollars worth of shipbuilding contracts. But also for the AI and for the. For the energy. And he had a GE shill in the room. This was, this was new. This was new.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn't he the CEO?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, he's a regional guy. He's a regional guy for ge.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I thought it was the CEO. Verona.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're talking about Verona. What?

[Adam Curry]

You're talking about ge. Verona. Ge. Verona isn't that the shill you're talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't know if it's ge. I thought it was just a guy from GE who deals with the gas turbines. Well, let's listen. Maybe we'll learn.

[Guest Expert]

But on AI, we're we're doing well. And I have a man, David Rommel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, sir.

[Guest Expert]

David, could you say a few words about what you're seeing on the job front and all of the, some of the assets and also how we've been helped by the Saudis in terms of the kind of investment they've made, Please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most certainly. Thank you for the opportunity. I am a facility leader for GE Renova. Facility leader. And if you look at the landscape for GE Vernova investment, over $750 million in the US focused on true manufacturing jobs here stateside. We're looking at tripling the output of our Greenville, South Carolina facility where we make the gas turbines that are supporting US needs as well as the Saudi Arabia needs.

[Adam Curry]

So real jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

$300 million in gas investment resulting in over 500 pieces of new equipment being installed in the Greenville, South Carolina facility.

[Tech Expert]

That translates into roughly 1800 jobs across.

[John C. Dvorak]

The board for GE Vernova as we try to scale capacity to be able.

[Adam Curry]

To meet this demand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Along with that, we're partnering with local communities to build the skill set that's required to meet these capacity needs.

[Adam Curry]

So that talent pipeline is incredibly important. So it's real jobs in the manufacturing space.

[Guest Expert]

Well, you've been great and thank you very much. And we love that state. I won that state by record numbers. I won a lot of states by record. Texas, a lot of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, Texas.

[Guest Expert]

Indiana. We're working with Indiana or something right now. We won that. We won a lot of them by records, but that was one of them. I want to thank you very much. Say hello to everybody. Great job. You're doing a great job. Thank you.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the trolls in the troll room. They have nothing but negative things to say. Oh, these jobs won't really happen. These good paying union jobs.

[Adam Curry]

So this guy was. Trump has done this before and every time he does it bring in a shill from a company who this guy's a facilities guy. Bull crap. This guy's a PR guy or he's a spokes hole. He's too slick to be a facilities guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Facility, of course, that's what you are.

[Adam Curry]

So he comes in and he talk about the GE operation, which these guys are nuke guys and modern and it's it. Every time he does it, the company stock Skyrockets. He's done this before with different. I've noticed this every. You bring this guy, you watch this stock, and I'm not recommending stocks to anybody, but I'm just saying that this guy, this stock will skyrocket like all the rest of these when he brings a shilling. Yeah, I think there's more. More going on.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's more going on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think there's more going on. Now. The clip I wanted to play, which is the Mary Bruce clip, I just wanted to, so we can have a, an indication of how. What a bully Trump is with people he dislikes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, is this one of your two minute clips? That's two minute and 56, unfortunately.

[Adam Curry]

You can cut it off, but I just want you to play the. You cut it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gotcha.

[Adam Curry]

Touche.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gotcha. I mean, you're steamrolling me, man.

[Adam Curry]

I was steamrolling me recording this clip. I said, holy crap, I can't put this. As soon as I put this clip on the list, Adam will call me out as a douchebag for doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're steamrolling me, man, with your two minute clips.

[Adam Curry]

You're just steamrolling this one. Is this, here's what this was a follow up question later in the press conference. You saw this, I'm sure, because Bruce is the one who asked the nasty question about Khashoggi being murdered by the guy sitting there know. And Trump's thinking, what is she trying to do queer the deal here? We're trying to get 600 to a billion, a trillion dollars into the country and she's like trying to humiliate this guy so he was irked.

[News Reporter]

Mr. President, why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, sorry, wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

I still have to finish the setup so you can understand where it came from. So later in the press, in the press, back and forth, she throws in another question about the Epstein files. And I think it's because he was steaming that he go, he jumps. Because she has a very, I thought a very simple, almost an inane question. It was not strong worded. It was kind of not. It wasn't bad. But he jumps on her, jumps down her throat. It's, it's unbelievable. But I think it's because of the previous action.

[News Reporter]

Mr. President, why wait for Congress to release the Epstein files? Why not just do it now?

[Guest Expert]

It's not the question that I mind. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who's highly respected asking him a Horrible, insubordinate, and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psychs you over at abc, you're going to psych him. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert. But I guess I turned out to be right. But you know who does have Bill Clinton. Larry Summers, who ran Harvard, was with him every single night, every single weekend. They lived together. They went to his island many times. I never did. Andrew Weissman. I heard all these guys were friends of his. You don't even talk about those people. You just keep going on the Epstein files. And what the Epstein is, is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not to be able to talk about the $21 trillion that I talked about today. It's a hoax. Now, I just got a little report and I put it in my pocket of all the money that he's given to Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, I'm just going to stop it here because this is exactly what I was saying. And he's unhinged. He's unhinged here because her attitude wasn't that bad.

[Adam Curry]

But he's not on that question.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but he's pissed off that nobody's reporting on the. He says 21 trillion. I can't quite find 21 trillion. But that's not a trillion. It's certainly a lot of money and that that's getting no press. And that, you know, he's fighting what he calls fake news, but he's doing a very. An uncharacteristically poor job at it by.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think he's discombobulated for a number of reasons. One, the Khashoggi thing with her and that he's really mad at her, which I think triggered this rant. But he's also, I think, irked at his scheme. I wrote about this in the newsletter with some detail. I think his scheme to release the Epstein files before the primaries, or I'm sorry, not the primaries, the midterms is. It went off the rails. Clearly screwed on this deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clearly.

[Adam Curry]

And he's mad because now it's useless. All this stuff will come out and blow over by mid next year, by summer, it's going to be forgotten completely. He will have no ammunition. He's been Schumerized. I think Schumer, by the way, is behind a lot of this. Stuff. And I credit Schumer with being smarter than everyone wants to think he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Schumerized. That's like a Laura Loomer term.

[Adam Curry]

And Schumer's behind a lot of this stuff and he's working behind the scenes to screw up Trump. He's smarter than people want to give him credit for. He's a schemer. He's ax dumb and he seems slow, witty, reads everything. But he's got a lot of things going on. And Schumer's help get this thing out of the way. So you get these files that have to be released by the end of the next 30 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. It's taking 30 days so the FBI can scrub Trump out of them. Don't you know?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, this is all part of it. And the whole thing has got him irked to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I don't want to go to.

[Adam Curry]

Screwed himself when he made the big fuss.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yeah, I don't want to is the rest Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's mostly him blasting this poor woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll play a little bit more.

[Adam Curry]

Play a little bit.

[Guest Expert]

He gave me none, zero. No money to me, but he gave money to them. Democrats and people are wise to your hoax and abc, your company, your crappy company is one of the perpetrators. And I'll tell you something, I'll tell you something. I think the license should be taken away from ABC because you knew fake and it's so wrong. And we have a great commissioner, the chairman, who should look at that because I think when you come in and when you, when you're 97% negative to Trump and then Trump wins the election in a landslide, that means obviously your news is not credible and you're not credible as a reporter. So I've answered your question. You should go and look at the Democrats who received money from Epstein, who spent their time. Larry Summers was with him all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nobody, Mr. President, nobody cares about Larry Summers. If you said Larry Summers, who is on the board of OpenAI Chad GPT, that might have gotten a little bit of legs. Nobody cares.

[Adam Curry]

Harvard is a pretty good thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he doesn't say that. He doesn't say that here.

[Guest Expert]

That creep of the fund guy was with him all the time. What's his name? Reed Hoffman. I don't know Reid Hoffman.

[John C. Dvorak]

He should know Reid Hoffman. This is, this is bad that he doesn't know Reid Hoffman.

[Adam Curry]

I, I don't believe it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, of course he knows Reid Hoffman, but why isn't he saying Reid Hoffman of what's that company.

[Adam Curry]

Didn'T he do LinkedIn?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Yeah, he sold LinkedIn and now it's come on the big CRM company.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Yes, well, we can figure this out rather easily. You can ask the robot or you can just quickly look it up.

[Guest Expert]

But I know he spends a lot of money on the radical left. Reid Hoffman, in my opinion, should be underestimated. Investigation.

[Adam Curry]

He's a space. You know him a minute ago.

[Guest Expert]

Those are the people. But they don't get any press. They don't get any news. And you're not after the radical left because you're a radical left network. But I think the way you ask a question with the anger and the meanness is terrible. You got to go back and learn how to be a reporter. No more questions from you. Who else has a question?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was LinkedIn. But he. Didn't he sell LinkedIn? I'm sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he did. He sold it to Microsoft, didn't he?

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe he did. Anyway, Reid Hoffman's a drip, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he is. He's totally.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a drip. He's like Kara Swisher's buddy.

[Adam Curry]

So did you get the clip from her?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

The last pivot.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

I was gonna get it. Then I said, oh, Adam od.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not have enough hate this week. I didn't have enough hate.

[Adam Curry]

I couldn't tell you what she said. She says that Trump is. Is done. He's going to quit. He's going to resign office before December. Before the end of this year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Just in time for Christmas, of course. All right, so I just want to stick with Saudi Arabia for a minute because a lot more was going on. We had the US Saudi summit, and that's why Elon Musk was there. And Tim Cook was there. And Tim Cook was there. Tim Cook was there. Yeah. Tim Cook showed up. Up, of course, because there's money, money, money, money, money.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I realize there's money, but I didn't. They said that. When? Every time I've seen the list of people show that showed up. Tim Cook was never mentioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he was. He was there, along with Jensen. Jensen Denchin.

[Adam Curry]

Wang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jensen Kwong. What's his. How do you pronounce it? Jensen.

[Adam Curry]

Jensen Wang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jensen Wang. Jensen Wang from Nvidia, or as the President says, Nvidia. And so they have this sit down, and they're all sitting there and they're talking about humane, which you spell H U, M A I N, which is this AI company from Saudi Arabia. This is the kingdom's flagship AI enterprise to drive global AI innovation. Oh yeah, well, and it's so they say they're going to buy 600,000 Nvidia GPUs, which is a lot. Which may, you know, may have helped the rosiness of Wall street yesterday. Although that seems to have tapered down.

[Adam Curry]

A little bit because everyone's like dropped today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Where's the money coming from? People are not stupid.

[Adam Curry]

So then, well at some point you gotta, you know, this round, this merry go round of money, I'll give you a million. Okay, well I'll take your million, give it to this guy and then I'm gonna take that million, give it to this guy round and round and you get the million back you go, I'm gonna make it two. Well, let's make it a trillion.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Nvidia's statement, their written statement, they even said we're not even sure that the, you know, the hundred billion dollars from, from Open OpenAI, which they base a lot of their forward looking performance on, that it will actually happen. Says you know, we have an agreement. Doesn't mean that it'll happen. It's like, okay, there's all this is this thing is amazing.

[Adam Curry]

So Elon Musk house of cards. That's a technical term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So Elon is there and El there because let me see, I have it here. X XAI will be, is collaborating with hu. By the way, whenever you call something as nefarious as AI humane, like that's like patriot act, you know, like, you know, there's nothing humane about it. So there's a 500 megawatt data center project which will use Nvidia chips and supposedly xai's processing or their system or whatever.

[Adam Curry]

The right songs for the no Agenda show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. It's really good for that. And then Musk just goes off on this futuristic tangent that I just had to clip and share with Tesla. We wanted to make electric cars compelling and affordable. That was the goal with respect to human humanoid robotics. There are no useful humanoid robotics robots at this point. There are sort of gimmicks, but there are no actually useful humanoid robots. And I think Tesla's going to make the first actually useful humanoid robots. And this will be quite a revolution. And I think something that will, that everyone will want. Because I always think of like who wouldn't want their own personal C3PO R2D2I, of course everyone would want one. Right, right. And, and then there would be many in industry providing products and services. This is why I say that humanoid Robots will be the biggest industry or the biggest product ever. Bigger than cell phones or anything else, because everyone's going to want one and. Or maybe more than. More than one. And there'll be many in industry. But AI and humanoid robots will actually eliminate poverty. My prediction is that work will be optional.

[Adam Curry]

Optional.

[John C. Dvorak]

Optional, yes, optional work.

[Adam Curry]

We'll take that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I mean, it'll be like playing sports or a video game or something like that. If you want to work, you know, in the same way, like you can, you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables or. Or you could grow vegetables in your backyard. It's much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard, but some people still do it.

[Adam Curry]

I'm smelling ketamine.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you go out long enough, assuming there's a continued improvement in AI and robotics, which seems likely, the money will.

[News Reporter]

Will.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will stop being relevant at some point in the future. Okay, so he's taken the the World Economic Forums. You will own nothing and be happy to Work will be optional. Money will be irrelevant. Come on, this is nuts. That's a shark jump of epic proportions.

[Adam Curry]

Shark jump. You're a little insert there is probably right on the money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I smell ketamine.

[Adam Curry]

I want to remind people of little history here. We had a superstar who I know entrepreneur named Nolan Bushnell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Nolan.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Do you remember his robot?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I don't remember Nolan Bushnell at all.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Nolan Bushnell is a very famous guy. Invented. He started off by inventing Pong and then he owns Chuck E. Chuck E. Cheese is his thing too. But he had a bunch of companies and his big invention. In 1983, he had a robot because this was the 83. I remember very clearly because I was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Writing the Topo robot. Topo Topo.

[Adam Curry]

And the Topo was. Was a big deal. And it was the. It was the year of the robot. That's what everyone called it. If you look at all the computer magazines in that era. Year of the Robot. This is the year the robot. And they had an exhibit of Topo the Robot at Comdex, I believe, or ces, probably Comdex. And Topo's whole job was to go to. They had a stage set up and Topo would go and make a route to the refrigerator. Somehow open the door of the refrigerator and grab a beer and then bring the beer to the owner.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a lot. It reminds me of the Aibo. Remember the Sony Aibo?

[Adam Curry]

That came much later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know, but the Sony Aibo was. Oh, this is. You're all going to have a robot dog. It was like a $400 robot dog.

[Adam Curry]

400. I thought there was more than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was expensive and it basically did nothing. So. All right, so since we're on history, then Jensen comes in to talk and this is the most bearish talk on AI that I've ever heard. There's no news about how it's going to be smarter than human beings. Smarter than the smartest professor.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's pretty realistic. Just as a reminder, his company, this has never been released as information, but his company did a huge study on productivity of AI and they could not find any positive benefits. He's got a dim attitude about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, MIT published their paper and basically said the same. But he makes a claim here that I want to put to the test by asking you, are we going to have an AI bubble? Well, so the question is, are we going to have an AI bubble? But he'll get into why, of course not.

[Adam Curry]

That's the last question. All right.

[Tech Expert]

All right, let me. Well, let me just tell you what we see. Okay. So I think it's really important when you look at what's happening around the world and go back to first principles of what's happening in computer, computer science and computing, there are three things that's happening. The first thing is that we all know that Moore's Laws run its course and the ability that.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? No, Moore's Law has run its course. Moore's just so we can take this into context, please give us the definition of. And maybe some background on Moore's Law.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Gordon Moore came up with this idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's from Intel. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Gordon Moore, one of the founders of intel, decided that he, he noticed this because he worked at Fairchild and he went to Int, then they started intel and he, he felt that the number of transistors per square, per square centimeter will is. Was doubling and it would continue to double every. I think the initial thought was every 12 months. But then I think it people changed Moore's law to every 18 months the number of transistors will double. And that means that the, that means that the size, price, everything. Yeah, it would be, it would be.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the same price or lower.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but twice as powerful because more transistors is more powerful. So you get more power for the same amount of money in the same die space. And that was the idea. And it was going to continue for on umpteenth years. It seems to still be in play, more or less.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not according to Jensen. It has run its course now. It's more expensive.

[Adam Curry]

The first thing is that, yeah, that's the way to go. More expensive.

[Tech Expert]

That Moore's Laws run its course. And the ability that the amount of demand for computing versus the amount of computation we can get out of general purpose computing is really challenging. And so the world's been moving to accelerated computing for some time. We've been pushing this now for some over 20 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love the term. He doesn't call it AI. He calls it accelerated computing.

[Tech Expert]

Let me give you one statistic. I was just at supercomputing. Six years ago, CPUs were 90% of the world's supercomputers. Top 500 supercomputers six years ago. This year, less than 15% went from 90% to 10%. And meanwhile, accelerated computing went from the other way, 10% to now 90%. Okay, so you're seeing that inflection point, the transition in high performance computing from general purpose computing to accelerated computing. Well, one of the, one of the most data intensive, one of the most intensive computation things that the world does in cloud is data processing. Several hundred billion dollars of computation is done on just raw data processing. Had nothing to do with AI, just SQL processing, data frames. You know, everybody's names, address, their, their sex, their, their age, where they live, you know, how much money they make. All of that sits into a data frame. And that data frame drives the world today, whether it's in banking or, you know, whether it's in credit cards or, of course, e commerce. And everything from ad recommendation and everything is driven off of that data frame. That data frame costs hundreds of billions of dollars to go compute. And so that's the number one thing. End of Moore's Law.

[John C. Dvorak]

End of Moore's Law. Because we need accelerated computing to slice and dice your information.

[Adam Curry]

Moore's Law has nothing to do with the kind of computing you do. It has to do with the number of transistors you can put on a die. I don't know. It's neutral to what he's talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you got to do is just throw out words like data frames. It's those data frames that are really the problem.

[Adam Curry]

I really don't understand why he's. I think I'm trying to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, wait, there's more.

[Adam Curry]

I think you stumbled onto what he. What he's trying to do. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get ready, get ready, get ready. There's a payoff even. I got two more here.

[Tech Expert]

The second thing is generative AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's no agenda. End of show mixes. What the.

[Adam Curry]

And art.

[John C. Dvorak]

And art. Yes.

[Tech Expert]

The Most important application of the last.

[John C. Dvorak]

15 years is making art for the no Agenda show. It's called Rexis. Rexis. Okay, here's a test. Do you know what Rexis is? I think he made it up. I think he made it up.

[Adam Curry]

I never heard of Rexis yet of.

[Tech Expert]

The last 15 years. It's called Rexis Recommender systems. How do we know what information to recommend to us in the social feed?

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so your algo. It's Rexis.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so, oh, is this different than what we had 25 years when Netflix first started and started recommending movies? If you like this, you'll like this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is that different? Is it somehow different?

[John C. Dvorak]

What he falls short of saying is that your refrigerator will know exactly when to order the milk. I mean, this is that level of bull crap. Bull crap.

[Tech Expert]

The worst here comes to recommend to us in the social feed. How do you know what ad to recommend to somebody, what book to recommend, what movie to recommend?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's so hard. How about, hey, listen to no Agenda show. We give you tip of the day, we give you interesting stock insights. You don't need Rexis for that. You need a podcast. The world is.

[Tech Expert]

The Internet is so gigantic without a recommender system that a little tiny phone of us will have no chance of ever seeing the right information.

[John C. Dvorak]

So without Rexis, that little tiny phone will have no chance whatsoever of receiving the right information. This is bullshit.

[Adam Curry]

It is bullshit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pardon, Pardon me.

[Adam Curry]

But largely it's mostly a retread of old ideas before AI and shoehorned into the AI model.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we continue that Rexis is the.

[Tech Expert]

Engine of the Internet today.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the engine of the Internet.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay, that's news to me.

[Tech Expert]

That's going generative AI. It used to be running on CPUs, now runs on GPUs, which then says the third thing when. If you just look at those two applications, many of the Internet companies can build enormous number of GPU supercomputers just doing that. Of course, then it creates this, the third opportunity on top of it, which is agentic AI. This is block and this is OpenAI. This anthropic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so agentic AI. I'll just explain it real quick. Quick, Agentic AI is basically a Google search that you don't have to parse through. And I use it. You use it. You type something in, it goes out.

[Adam Curry]

Wouldn't use it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it goes out and says, Okay, I found 40 web pages. I'm going to read these. It's pretty good at that. I'm going to summarize these, I'm going to do some basic reasoning, look at the contradictions, and I'm going to say, well, it looks like this is your answer, which is 30 to 50 times more expensive than throwing up a webpage of ranking, rank page or page rank results and no ads, no way to monetize, and very expensive. That is agentic AI, you know, this is Gemini.

[Tech Expert]

Agentic AI sits on top of that. But don't, you know, don't forget to think about what is happening above, underneath, what everybody sees as AI today.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? Don't forget, whatever you do, don't forget. Which basically means forget. Don't forget what's going on above, underneath, over there, some. This is not what you see. And it's magic. Behind the scenes, above, underneath what everybody.

[Tech Expert]

Sees as AI today, there's a whole movement of computing from general purpose computing to accelerated computing, and that if you just, if you take that into consideration, you'll come to the conclusion that in fact, what is left over to fuel that revolutionary agentic AI is not only substantially less than you thought and all of it justified.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of it Isn't Salesforce.

[Adam Curry]

All of it what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Justified? It's all just.

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean, justified?

[John C. Dvorak]

What does that mean, justified?

[Adam Curry]

What do you mean? It's justified.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you're sanctified, you're justified. Don't.

[Adam Curry]

Don't tell me what it means.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, hey, Adam. It's justified.

[John C. Dvorak]

That means the expense that you're putting into this is justified. Take it from me.

[Adam Curry]

No, why do you say it that way? If you say that, I can believe that's maybe what he meant.

[John C. Dvorak]

One positive thing. He was wearing a suit. He was not wearing.

[Adam Curry]

No, he wasn't wearing his cheap leather thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he was not cheap at all, but super expensive. He was not wearing the motorcycle jacket, a suit, a tie. And now as he. The final clip.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think he needs a tie in this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Saudis. He needs the money. He needs the money to go into everything to buy his chips. 600,000 chips, GPUs. So now he's, now he's going to go off the rails with.

[Adam Curry]

All of these types are like, what do they cost? I think they're either three or six thousand dollars a pop.

[John C. Dvorak]

The full gpu. Yeah, the GPU unit.

[Adam Curry]

If you. This, that one gpu, that's super expensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you can get them up to $30,000 or more. I mean, they have all kinds of gear, but the low level, low end, 39.99 if you can get it it anyway. 3999. So now he's gonna. Now he's gonna bring into this humane thing, which is like, hey, guys, you're gonna buy this for me and look at all the cool things you'll be able to do with it.

[Tech Expert]

We're announcing. We're announcing all kinds of things. Our partnership with Humane is going incredibly well. First of all, we worked together to get this company started and off the ground and just got an incredible customer. Customer with Elon. Could you imagine a startup company, approximately $0 billion in revenues, now going to build a data center for Elon? 500 megawatts is gigantic. This company is off the charts right away.

[Adam Curry]

Did he say, can you imagine a company with $0 billion in sales?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Why doesn't he just say with no sales? What do you mean zero? With $0 trillion when Jensen. What is the point of that? It's a propagandistic way of saying this, stating it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Most people, when they get up, they just put on their pants one leg at a time. Jensen gets up and he thinks, billions. Even if it's zero, this show makes $0 billion a year. And can you imagine, can you imagine a podcast that started by making $0 billion a year? It's amazing.

[Tech Expert]

$0 billion in going to build a data center for Elon. 500 megawatts is gigantic. This company is off the charts right away.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not. It's not even built. There's nothing built. 500 megawatts charge right away with zero billions.

[Tech Expert]

In addition to that, we're working.

[Adam Curry]

Working.

[Tech Expert]

AWS, as you know, is also.

[Adam Curry]

Congratulations to the humane team with AWS.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, congratulations. With a gigawatt ambition, Mary McCoy.

[Tech Expert]

So AWS is also coming to Humane. We're working with Humane on Omniverse Digital Twins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Omniverse Digital Twins. Oh, man, I'm hanging on his every word now.

[Tech Expert]

As you know, that AI is not just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait. Huh?

[Adam Curry]

What the hell is Omniverse Digital Twins?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's. I don't know, but I want some. I need it after my robot. I need some Omniverse Digital Twins. This. This is smoke.

[Adam Curry]

He's off the rails. What happened to him?

[John C. Dvorak]

Gets better.

[Tech Expert]

Us is also coming to Humane. We're working with Humane on Omniverse Digital Twins. As you know, that AI is not just. Well, just agentic AI and chatbots and cognitive AI.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's. It's. That's exactly what it is. It's chat bots and and questions and chat bots and art and videos. It's nothing, you know.

[Adam Curry]

An Omniverse digital twin is a physically accurate real time vertical replica of an object, process or environment created on the Nvidia Omniverse platform. The Omniverse platform.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is the Omniverse?

[Adam Curry]

It integrates with enterprise ecosystem. This is good gobbledygook.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to this. Great. This is great.

[Adam Curry]

It integrates with enterprise. I wish I had the right voice for. It integrates with enterprise ecosystems, connecting real world data from sources like Internet of things, sensors, MES and ERP systems to the photorealistic 3D model for visualization and analysis. This enables companies to simulate, optimize and monitor operations in a virtual space, improving design, planning and efficiency for applications raising from factory and data centers too. And it goes on and on and on this.

[John C. Dvorak]

He should. He should cut his hair into a mohawk. That's a very inside joke.

[Adam Curry]

Good one though.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Tech Expert]

As you know that AI is not just, well, just agentic AI and chatbots and cognitive AI is incredibly important to the world. But AI applies to everything. Chemicals and proteins and genes and physics and fluid dynamics and particles and of course robotics and activation. And we created this world called Omniverse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's important to activate.

[Adam Curry]

The hell's that about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Activation, baby? It's activation.

[Tech Expert]

Robotics and activation. And we created this world called Omniverse where robots can learn how to be good robots.

[John C. Dvorak]

And oh, the Omniverse teaches robots how to be good robots. Robots. There it is.

[Adam Curry]

That's what robots. Are we talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

The ones that don't exist yet?

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah.

[Tech Expert]

And we created this world called Omniverse where robots can learn how to be good robots. And, and it's physically based. It obeys the laws of physics. And so robots can learn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't all robots have to obey the laws of physics? Doesn't everything in the physical world have to obey the laws of. I mean, come on. So called Omniverse where robots.

[Adam Curry]

What else could it do?

[Tech Expert]

How to be good robots? And it's physically based.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here comes the kicker.

[Tech Expert]

Obeys the laws of physics. And so robots can learn in these environments. And we're working with humane to apply Omniverse to all kinds of digital factories and robotics and warehouses and things like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital factories do what do the digital factories make?

[Adam Curry]

Digitals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital cars?

[Adam Curry]

No, just digitals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now wait for it. Because here's the kicker.

[Tech Expert]

And so that's, that's another.

[Adam Curry]

We're.

[Tech Expert]

We're also working in Saudi Arabia to build supercomputers to simulate quantum Computers and. And using our computers to be the controller and the error correction. 1 Quantum error correction requires an enormous amount of computation.

[Adam Curry]

And so.

[Tech Expert]

So we're doing a lot of great work there too. So a big partnership with humane. They're off the charts. Off the ground and off the charts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Off the ground. Off the charts. We're going to simulate quantum computing. Okay. Come on. So no wonder that.

[Adam Curry]

That's the end here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stock is down. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So just as simulate quantum what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Right.

[Adam Curry]

That makes zero sense. They can't make a quantum computer. How can you simulate something you can't make?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, to balance that bullcrap, this is.

[Adam Curry]

Like, this is the wor. This is the worst case example of. This is going back to our Silicon Valley days where this. Where they had Silicon Valley speak. He's reinvigorated it.

[Guest Expert]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they've decided to make their own linguistic model off the ground and off the charts. And by the way, activation does somehow fit in with omni. Whatever the hell it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was.

[Adam Curry]

I can't find the definition for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the thing that j. The. The word that JC Came up with, the phrase that that is being used. It's like, what is not. What is the trend? I can't remember what it was.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he has a bunch of these. He's tracked a bunch of. I don't remember.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to write them down means to write them down. Because.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we do, because this is getting good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's almost like back in the web design days. Well, what is the conceit of your website? Well, I'm going to tell you, not concept conceit. All right, to balance this out, three clips, relatively short, except for the first one. Ned Block, professor at New York University, Department of Philosophy and Psychology. And there's a very long interview. It's really good. And he wrote a paper and he says, you know, chatgpt, or he says chatgpt, but in general he means large language models. AI has no intelligence. And he wrote a paper about it.

[Guest Expert]

Mere intelligent responding does not show intelligence of the machine that is doing the responding. Because the machine's responses can be just constant conduits for something that somebody has put into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Am I right that maybe in this.

[Adam Curry]

Paper you referred to it as a.

[John C. Dvorak]

String searcher or this searcher. Yeah. Okay. And that became the blockhead.

[Guest Expert]

That was one version of it, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the paper is titled Psychologism and Behaviorism. What is psychologism? And then how does that connect?

[Guest Expert]

Psychologism is the very minimal thesis that in order for behavior. Behavior to reflect thought, you need an internal processing condition. But, you know, since we don't know what thought is, we can't really say what the internal processing condition is. But behavior isn't good enough. That's the idea of it. And the reason this has come up in regard to ChatGPT is that people realize that ChatGPT is very behavior dominated. And there's a recent paper by Raphael Milie and Cameron Buckner which raised the question of the ChatGPTs and another large language models intelligence in terms of. To the extent to which it isn't a blockhead. So that the idea is that it isn't just reproducing what was in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The.

[Guest Expert]

In the, in the, in the database. Although I have to say that there are a lot of things that CHAT GPT does that are very. Behavior very memory dominated.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he gives us two examples which we can replicate ourselves. Everybody bring up your CHAT GPT. This is, this is one we already knew, but they still haven't been able to fix it. And of course, it's because there's no intelligence that doesn't actually understand your question and doesn't know how to interpret it and give you the correct answer. It just gives you whatever string it found that kind of matches your query and it spits it out.

[Guest Expert]

Try this. Ask it to draw a picture of a group of watches showing three minutes after 12. Okay? So the minute hand and the hour hand are very close together. What you will get is 10 after 10. And if you do try to do 628 where this hands are very close together, you'll get 10 after 10 again. And the reason for this is that the pictures of clocks and watches on the web are dominated by 10 after 10 because it's the most attractive look.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. I think we've tried that one. That wasn't new to me. But this one, this one is even better.

[Guest Expert]

Everybody in OpenAI knows about this and they have been unable to hear it.

[Adam Curry]

So that's crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, everybody.

[Guest Expert]

This is a widespread example that people. It's been an example that people have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pointed to for years and they still can't figure it out.

[Guest Expert]

Well, I mean, they could. Maybe there's some artificial way they can hard code it. But to get the machine, you know, the thing they use to deal with problems like this is called reinforcement training.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's your hard coding.

[Guest Expert]

The reinforcement training hasn't worked probably because there are too many times. Times other than 10 after 10 that would have to be reinforced. I'll give you a second example. Ask Chatgpt to draw a picture of somebody writing with their left hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You will get a right handed writer every single time. Every single time. So there's no intelligence in this stuff. It's just sucked it all up.

[Adam Curry]

But we know he's known that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, but this is fun for people to go, go to their friends and neighbors and you know, you're gonn Thanksgiving and everyone's been, oh, yeah, yeah. Why don't you ask it to draw a picture of a clock that says 6:28. Why don't you ask it to find a picture for you of someone writing left handed? And then you will be amazing at this Thanksgiving dinner, people are like, wow, wow. Maybe it's not smart. Just. Just a thought. Just a thought.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know how many Thanksgiving dinners you've been to, but I have never been to one where somebody has a computer at the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody has their phone. Their phone. Anyway, now let's go to Epstein because this was the big, big, big story and there were just some great moments in some of the mainstream reporting. And coming out of the White House, the Senate approved the bill without even holding a vote after near unanimous approval approval by the House.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, who pushed that?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

I hope they mention who pushed the bill through without the vote. It wasn't Schumer.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was Schumer.

[Adam Curry]

It was Schumer. They were Schumerized.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay, you made your point. The Senate approved the bill without even holding a vote.

[Adam Curry]

After near unanimous approval by the House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tuesday, the bill is passed.

[Adam Curry]

All of it is highly unusual in the city.

[John C. Dvorak]

Accustomed to political gridlock, the law orders the Justice Department to release all unclassified.

[Adam Curry]

Documents relating to Epstein and his associates within 30 days.

[News Reporter]

We'll continue to follow the law and to have maximum transparency.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's potentially one big roadblock for transparency ahead. A new investigation ordered by the President, who told Attorney General Pam Bondi to.

[Adam Curry]

Investigate ties between Epstein and prominent Democrats.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Justice Department and FBI previously said.

[Adam Curry]

They did not uncover evidence that could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. Now, on Trump's orders, the Attorney General.

[Adam Curry]

Has changed her mind.

[John C. Dvorak]

What changed since then that you launched this investigation?

[News Reporter]

Information that has come forward. Information.

[Adam Curry]

I've got information, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

New shit has come to light.

[News Reporter]

There's information that new information, additional information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, man, this is going to be such a disappointment for everybody because we already know we just need the names. Massie already basically said it when he was cross examining Kash Patel. And it's going to be some fun names. And you know, we already understand a couple of them. And just to. To regurgitate them here. Here are the names that will be found in the files. These aren't the names, but you can guess most of them.

[Adam Curry]

According to victims who cooperated with the FBI in that investigation. These documents in FBI possession, your possession detail at least 20 men, including Mr. Jess Staley, CEO of Barclays Bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, another takedown of the Brits with another British victim of the Epstein revelations. After we had Prince Andrew, after we had Mandelson, the ambassador to the US from the uk. Now it's the Barclays bank CEO Oopsie.

[Adam Curry]

Who Jeffrey Epstein trafficked victims to victims including minors such as Virginia Roberts. You free. May she rest in peace. That list also includes at least 19 other individuals.

[John C. Dvorak]

One Hollywood producer, one Hollywood producer, Dana Brunetti.

[Adam Curry]

Seems unlikely.

[John C. Dvorak]

You never know. You never. He's hidden on the ranch. You don't know. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But you know what? I bet you he knows who it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet you he does too. And he's going to tell us if I stop pestering him about his Tesla. Teslas are great. Now tell us, tell us, tell us. All right.

[Adam Curry]

If you say that, he'll tell us everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I love Teslas. I wish I had a Tesla worth a few $200 million.

[Tech Expert]

One royal prince.

[Adam Curry]

One high profile individual in the music industry.

[John C. Dvorak]

High profile individual.

[Adam Curry]

That could be anybody. But I would. I'm thinking Clive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but Clive is gay and they only have female victims. Clive is gay. He's gay as a three dollar bill. He's part of the Diddy thing. He got out of that. They. He got off scot free. He was definitely part of the.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder who it could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. Maybe it was Diddy.

[Adam Curry]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

He could be deemed. Yeah, he could be deemed.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know that would have been. He'd been caught up in that by now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's continue.

[Adam Curry]

One very prominent banker.

[John C. Dvorak]

That will be.

[Adam Curry]

I. I got these guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he.

[Adam Curry]

Or there's another banker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's got to be someone at JP Morgan Chase. And I don't, I don't think it's Jamie Dimon, but it's. It's got to be. Be one level below him because the things that JP Morgan Chase was doing with his money. How much do you need? Cash? 800,000. Okay. Send 50 grand to that girl.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it has to be somebody JP Morgan. You're right. One high profile government official now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hi.

[Adam Curry]

Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

It has to be Clinton. Yeah, of course.

[Adam Curry]

One high profile former politician form well.

[John C. Dvorak]

That could also be.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that could be Clinton, too. He's in there twice.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's got to be at least one.

[Adam Curry]

I.

[John C. Dvorak]

There could be so many. We don't. This one we. This is a mystery. We will soon know.

[Adam Curry]

One owner of a car company.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's got to be the Ferrari guy in Italy. Yeah, in Italy. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen.

[Tech Expert]

One high profile former politician.

[Adam Curry]

One owner of a car company in Italy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on. In Italy. What other guy in Italy?

[Adam Curry]

Fiat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Ferrari. Guys don't need to go to this place. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

They got one raris to drive around. They can get anyone that they want. Hey, babe, want to ride one rock star?

[John C. Dvorak]

One rock star.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should know who this is. Oh, man, he knows who the producer is. You have to know who this is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm hoping it's Bono. That would. That would just. That would. That was.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that would really be perfect.

[John C. Dvorak]

That would be great. That would be excellent.

[Adam Curry]

One magician.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's got to be Copperfield. There's no other magician. Magician. One magician. What other magician? And Copperfield, I think he was on one of the flights. Was he. Wasn't he in the flight log?

[Adam Curry]

Was he? Well, then it would be him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And he always looks like the kind of guy that would be like that kind of guy. He just has a look. At least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. We know these people exist in the FBI files, the files that you control. I don't know exactly who they are, but the FBI does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So we'll find out.

[Adam Curry]

And six billionaires will include Bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bill.

[Adam Curry]

Five other billionaire or four others. And one in Canada. Yeah, the Canadian billionaire is probably a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Property guy now, but notice Massey didn't say these. These girls were underaged. Trafficking can be. Can be transporting someone across state lines, even if it's. If it's with their cooperation. It's all so sketchy. Well, what we really want to know is what about MI6? What about Mossad? What about CIA? What about these connections? What about your connections to MIT? Joi Ito, come on. This is the stuff that we care about. Everyone. Everyone's pedophiles. It's going to be less than you think. Pretty sure of that. It's going to be disappointing because, you know, they always.

[Adam Curry]

Disappointing. That's the whole theme that we've noticed over almost, you know, over 18 years of doing the. Of the no agenda era.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, they scrubbed Trump out of it, man. That's why he had. That's why he had the 30 days. Scrubbed him. Scrubbed him right out. Scrubbed him out. So.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's not going to fly. That doesn't make any sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Okay, so there's a new op. We already felt it coming. Now it's definitely on deck. The op is, you might have noticed there's not a lot of Israel hate lately. Not as much as it used to be. Now it's Islam. Muslims. The Muslims. The Muslims in Texas, baby. So every.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I don't. Did I have a clip on this?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a couple. Do you have anything?

[Adam Curry]

I'm looking because I remember because this. You're right. There's been two or three things they've re. Maybe. No. I thought, well, one of the tiktokers went off about this, but I don't have it. They're bitching about that Muslim compound up there by Fort Worth or wherever it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is, which doesn't even exist yet.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't exist yet. But they've already renamed it to the Meadow. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that. That's just. And this, by the way, this is rampant in Fredericksburg. Everyone's texting everybody the same thing.

[Adam Curry]

Where you see this Sharia law in Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sharia law in Texas. You see this map? Zoom in, and it's like they built 48 mosques in two years, which. That. I actually went and did some digging. Not true at all. And Texas, big place, 48 mosques. You know, there's 300,000 churches in America. It's not like we have to be all of a sudden be super afraid. Now. This is the new meme. We know that Flynn brought a whole bunch of influencers to D.C. to talk about the danger of Islam. And this is kind of.

[Adam Curry]

You think that's what triggered this whole thing?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I can tell you exactly what triggered it. And this is from. This is a group that's working on this op. It is a total op. It's all political. It's all about the midterms. I have no doubt about it. This is.

[Adam Curry]

So the op supposed to accomplish more Democratic, Democrat, bigger blue wave.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. The OP is supposed to accomplish the opposite.

[Adam Curry]

The red wave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Red, of course, because it all started.

[Adam Curry]

They're not going to do it through Muslim hate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, but they're going to. You have to understand this. The rare foundation, which is not a foundation, as far as I can tell. Resistance against Islamic radicals. R A I R. Which is a fun little take on C A I R. The Council of American Islamic Relations. It's professional. They don't really have as much juice as I thought they would. I said juice J, U, I C E. But this is the kind of stuff that they put out. And it all started with Mandami.

[News Reporter]

On rare tv. We are naming the threat. Plainly. Our enemies have placed a dangerous foreign infiltrator inside New York's government. And his name is Zoran Mamdan. And under federal law, he has been eligible to be stripped of his citizenship and deported. The question is, why is our government not acting? Mamdani became a U.S. citizen in 2018. Under federal law, specifically 8 USC Section 1451A, citizenship can be revoked if it was obtained by concealment or misrepresentation, or if within five years the individual affiliate affiliates with communist, totalitarian or terrorist movements. Mamdani did exactly that. Oh, he publicly defended the Holy Land 5. The men convicted on 108 counts of financing Hamas.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I can't find any evidence of this, nor do they show any evidence or link to any evidence. They just say it.

[News Reporter]

He is a card carrying member of the dsa.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think the DSA has cards.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think they have cards. No, this is a Bank of America Card. It's not MasterCard.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not a political party. It's a socialist Marxist group who do auditions and train people who look good theater kids and put them into positions of power. Has nothing to do with him. Being Muslim. Has everything to him being the right guy. Like aoc. It's the same thing. It's not. You can't carry the car.

[Adam Curry]

Also, the tattoo guy up in Maine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, tattoo guy.

[News Reporter]

The largest Marxist operation in America. Openly aligned with foreign communist parties in Cuba, Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Openly allied. What does it even mean?

[News Reporter]

He expressed allegiance to the Communist Party of India in 2020, well inside the five year window. And he glorified Hamas's US finance arm in a 2017 recording before he took the oath of citizenship.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so this is now propagated by influencers everywhere because this is the thing you've got to jump on. And by the way, Candace Owens, you better jump to this because the Israel thing is over now and everyone has now moved over to Muslims. And what they're all pointing towards, of course, is, well, this is what happened in the uk. This is what happened in Europe. Well, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you can do the UK analogy. That's a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

That might get you some votes. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. And it's intended to do that. That's exactly what it's intended for. Here's one of the influencers. American lumberjack. This what you're seeing on your screen right now is not another country. It's America. And this. Don't even know if it's America. But okay, we'll. We'll take his word for it. A bunch of chanting Muslims gathering here of Muslims was in the city of Irving, Texas, where two Sharia law courts are operating and have already ruled on over 300 cases. Now, do you understand how serious this Islam problem is? America?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two Islamic tribunals operate in the United States, functioning as voluntary arbitration panels, you know, applying Sharia law and Sharia principles in civil disputes like divorce and inheritance. This is how it starts. Just like the uk Slow at first, and then, boom, it's here, and then, boom, it comply with Texas arbitration laws. But so did you hear the meme in there? 48 mosques in two years. It's just not true. By the way, the map you're showing, that's a pretty big area. That's a big area. So, yeah, there's mosques all over America. Big deal. They. They portray it as all these Muslims. They're in there. They're all doing Sharia law. They're going around American law. They don't care. They're going to take us over. They're going to the enemy from within. According to the Constitution of the United States of America, there is no other law allowed in the land except for the Constitution. And if this wasn't bad enough, the NYPD is teaching people how to wear hijab. Oh, hijabs. Oh, yes. Oh, oh. Oh, my gosh. Hijabs.

[News Reporter]

Hijabs. Hijabs. Hijabs. Let's vote for hijabs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, hijabs. Oh, we're gonna be very afraid. So this is working because Abbott, I think, is under fire. This is why they're talking about Texas. Abbott is under fire. He's not universally loved in Texas for a whole bunch of reasons. Yeah, he jumped. Well, he doesn't jump, but he comes into action when. When, you know, there's a flood or something else going on. So he immediately feels there's something wrong. I got to do something about this. I got to jump on this.

[News Reporter]

All right, let's stay in Texas, because Governor Greg Abbott made news this morning by declaring two groups as foreign terrorist organizations. Let's go to our breaking news correspondent who's been following the story for us.

[Adam Curry]

In the newsroom in New York.

[News Reporter]

Chanel, what did the governor have to say today? Well, he made this announcement mugo this morning through this proclamation, essentially now designating two groups, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Council on American Islamic relations as foreign terrorist groups.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so a proclamation, whatever. It's just this is a statement. But it's the Muslim Brotherhood that we're bringing back. Oh, the Muslim Brotherhood, yes, yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which is the creation of the MIT 6, I believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's just. Actually we could. Didn't I have that Galloway thing. Should probably play that here. Here we go. This is George Galloway. We played it on the previous episode. Here he goes. Indeed. This has a long and inglorious history. The British invented it.

[Adam Curry]

As in so much else.

[John C. Dvorak]

We helped found and nourished, nurtured the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in the early 1950s so that we could use them against the Arab nationalist leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser. President Nasser. We invented the Muslim Brotherhood. It was invented in London and it was its first outing, though not its last, was to undermine the pan Arabic message of the Nazirists. And well, we've fallen out with the.

[Adam Curry]

Muslim Brotherhood from time to time, but occasionally they can still be useful to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Each other, if you get my drift. Alright, so I knew this was an op for sure when I saw not one but two guests pop up on band Bannon's war room talking about oh, oh, Muslims, Muslims whoever. Muslims you have.

[Adam Curry]

I have to ask you this. What do you think? Do you think Bannon would be part of an op like this? Or you think he's been so kicked out of the circle of ops that he's just a dupe?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. When you hear him talk, he's in on the op. The first guy is John Guandolo, former FBI special agent, counterterrorism expert. In 2022, he organized training sessions for right wing citizens about the perceived threat of communists and jihadist networks and to organize communities into operational forces to identify roots of corruption and dismantle the hostile networks behind it. And here it comes. And re establish a republican form of government at the local level level. Which were joined by former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. So this is a Flynn guy and I think. Pretty sure Bannon's in on the op. Talk to me about the state of Texas.

[Adam Curry]

I would assume since Texas is one of the great Christian states in the Union, that we don't have a problem down there with his Islamic Jihad creeping in. Sir.

[Guest Expert]

Yeah, I think you know better than that. So about 15.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know better than that because you're read in on the ops, sir. You know you're read in.

[Guest Expert]

You know better than that. So about 50 years actually.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You know better than that. Why? Why are you siring me? You know, this is an op.

[Adam Curry]

Christian states in the Union that we don't have a problem down there with.

[John C. Dvorak]

With his Islamic Jihad creeping in. Sir, I wonder if he actually is his superior. He has rank over him for some reason. Bannon has to say, sir. I mean, he was a naval guy, after all.

[Adam Curry]

That's possible.

[Guest Expert]

Yeah, I think you know better than that. So about 15 years ago, I'm going to back up and just quickly mention this. You know, we had in Tennessee, the jihadi.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, hold on. Stop this clip. So first of all, he says, you know better than that, as though they're already into the script way too far. And then right away he's going to back up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah?

[Adam Curry]

Back up to what? What are you backing up for? Why don't you just answer the question? I mean, what are you backing up? I'm going to back up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. It all will become relevant in a moment.

[Guest Expert]

Just quickly mention this. You know, we had in Tennessee the jihadi, The Islamic Movement North America, and specifically the United States targeted Tennessee. And my professional assessment is they took Tennessee under a Republican governor, by the way, which is what we're seeing in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Took Tennessee.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a Playboy.

[Adam Curry]

Did he say they took Tennessee?

[John C. Dvorak]

He says they took Tennessee under a Republican governor. This is an attack on Abbott. It's. The whole thing is multifaceted, but it is an attack on Abbott.

[Adam Curry]

Very good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, under a Republican governor, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Abbott. They're going after Abbott because Abbott is, I don't know, not toeing the line or who knows what.

[Guest Expert]

They targeted Tennessee and especially Nashville initially.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nashville is Nashville. Has it become a hotbed of Muslim activity and jihadists? Is Sharia law in place in Nashville?

[Adam Curry]

No, that doesn't sound right.

[Guest Expert]

No, because of the fact they viewed it as the buckle of the Bible Belt, if you will, when they took it, you know, about seven and a half years ago, they sent one of their most significant Islamic jurists, a guy named Yasser Qadhi, to Texas. And when he moved from Memphis, at the Memphis Islamic center to Texas, I alerted some of my colleagues, including, you know, guys like Frank Gaffney, who you know well and have had on the show. But others, friends of mine that do this work a lot, little more under the radar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Under the radar.

[Guest Expert]

And we knew that that meant that the jihadi movement, the Islamic movement in the United States, was targeting Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so got other guys under the radar. When Frank Gaffney comes up, I'm like, hold on a second. We've been doing this show for 18 years. Let me go back 15. Let me see if I can find a clip that is maybe similar to this.

[News Reporter]

White House is moving toward developing ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and and other Islamist groups in the Middle East.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is when Obama was president and the same memes, everything was used, same guys, same people were going to be taking over Sharia law.

[News Reporter]

National Journal reports the president believes he has no choice but to cultivate the Brotherhood and other groups he believes are relatively moderate. One State Department official tells the magazine, quote, the war on terror is over and now the Arab world may find a route to democracy through Islamism. But those moves may hurt the president politically.

[John C. Dvorak]

CBN News terrorism analyst Eric Stackelbach joins us now for more on this story. Eric, you attended an event earlier today, understand about the Muslim Brotherhood. What did you find out?

[Adam Curry]

Lee, very timely event with what Wendy just described. The Obama administration is obviously openly now embracing Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. Well today at the National Press Club here in Washington D.C. the Center for Security Policy had a really eye opening event, Lee. They are releasing a 10 part online instructional course, online video instructional course for the average American all about the Muslim Brotherhood. It's called the Muslim Brotherhood in America. It breaks down down this group, what they're all about and why they're so dangerous.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we spoke to Frank Gaffney, Lee.

[Adam Curry]

The president of the center of Security Policy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's look at that now. So same thing we're teaching people. That's what Guandalo is doing. Training, training for citizens Be afraid of the scary Muslims. Let's get. It's so good with social media. Just have people showing maps and like all zooming in. Look at all these Muslims mosque. Oh no, it's horrible. And they bring back Frank Gaffney. Jihad which is commanded by Sharia takes more than one form. We are not winning a war that we honestly are not even recognizing. We're in against jihadists that are using.

[Tech Expert]

Not just violence against us, but civilization jihadists as well.

[Adam Curry]

And Lee, I think that was a real takeaway from this event today. What Frank Gaffney just said. There are many forms of jihad that our enemies are using and not only violent jihad for the Muslim Brotherhood it is a stealthy type.

[John C. Dvorak]

Frank Affney called it civilization jihad.

[Adam Curry]

Their philosophy is hey, we don't have.

[John C. Dvorak]

To blow you up now.

[Adam Curry]

We can win through elections. We can get jobs in the media. The government, government slowly, slowly infiltrate. And then the final stage is yes, violent jihad.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is all about getting everybody riled up for the midterms. We've all I'm already seeing people running for.

[Adam Curry]

Do they. Can I ask this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Do they mention during these interviews, back and forth and back and forth, that the entire. The totality of the Muslim population in the United states amounts to 1.3% percent, 1.3% of the population?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not. Of which maybe 200,000 live in Texas. No, but it's.

[Adam Curry]

I doubt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think it's 200,000, maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Could be a couple hundred thousand.

[John C. Dvorak]

The epic thing now renamed as Meadow. I mean, those AI videos of what it's going to look like have been going around for at least two years now.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't even dug a hole yet.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And the church ladies are beyond themselves. Oh. Half of the pastors who have. There's pastors, these younger guys, like, 40. And they all have YouTube podcasts, and.

[Adam Curry]

They have a second. You said 40.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's. I know, I know. But in pastor land, that's young. And they have, like, the YouTube award behind them. I've already seen enough, dude. Really? You got your YouTube award. So what is important to you? Your YouTube award.

[Adam Curry]

All right, that's idolatry.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's definitely. It's pride. It's idolatry. And they're more interested in clicks. And so they're all in on it. Because, you know, this is what I'm sure if you're talking from the pulpit about, well, we can't have the Muslims coming in. Yeah, preacher, preach.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is dumb. And I had two more clips from Bannon. Here's a continuation with the Guandolo, and.

[Guest Expert]

What we've seen is Yasser Qadhi, who is arguably, if not the top. One of the top Islamic jurists in. In the United States, came to Texas, moved to Plano, became.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jump in, Steve. Jump in. You got to jump in.

[Guest Expert]

Epic. Okay, hang on. Slow down, slow down, slow down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa, whoa, slow down.

[Adam Curry]

When he says jurist, I wanna make sure you understand. You're saying a guy. That is the. Like a Supreme Court, a guy on Sharia law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct.

[Adam Curry]

Very good. Sharia law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Try to do in the Sharia thing.

[Adam Curry]

Take it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm gonna get back to Tennessee in a moment. You say, take it.

[Adam Curry]

What they want. And this is what Frank Gaffney has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Preached for two decades.

[Adam Curry]

It's about Sharia supremacists.

[Guest Expert]

That is absolutely correct. And you just hit on a couple really important points.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brilliant.

[Guest Expert]

First of all, Sharia is real law. We have a lot of people who pose as, quote, moderate Muslims. You know, your Raheel Razas your Kanta Ahmed who go on Fox News and CNN and they say, you know, there's Islam and there's Islamism, there's Sharia and there's Sharia law and they try to parse this out. When you get Sharia you get the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whole bag of, bag of worms.

[Guest Expert]

And it is really important for everyone to understand that Sharia states that the purpose of Islam.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. My understanding is it's always a can of worms. I've never heard of a bag of worms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct.

[Guest Expert]

It is really important for everyone to understand that, that Sharia states that the purpose of Islam is to wage war against the non Muslim community until Sharia is imposed on the earth, period.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sharia on the earth, period. Everywhere. Oh yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You know, by the way, this explains. I don't have these clips but now that you brought this up, I would, I should if I had an eye out for this a little sooner. Unfortunately we don't discuss anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Well fortunately there has been at least three women TikTokers that have come on extolling the virtues. Oh, I was, I turned, I'm a Muslim. And they go at the young dipshit types and they're going on and on about how they're now, you know, and it's, it's disturbing and I think it's part of the op.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, well it's the I love Jesus trick. This is. Since you brought it up, I wasn't going to play it, but I will play this once again from Rare tv.

[News Reporter]

Beware Christians from London to Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beware Christians from London to Texas. Because that's a connection I make every day.

[News Reporter]

A dangerous and well funded campaign is spreading across the west seeking to deceive believers into thinking that the Jesus of the Bible is the same as the Issa of Islam. They are pouring millions into glossy billboards, T shirts and high tech Islamic recruitment videos. Videos trying to convince Christians that Muslims love Jesus too.

[Adam Curry]

So as you guys can see, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love Jesus because I'm Muslim. This is our first line of merch that we have released because our program.

[Adam Curry]

Is Da' wah which is inviting educating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Non Muslims Americans about Islam. One of the biggest misconceptions in our.

[Adam Curry]

Society, particularly in the west, is that.

[John C. Dvorak]

People don't understand about our love for Jesus Christ. Peace be upon them. I love Jesus because I'm a Muslim. Before I was a Muslim I had no idea that Jesus prayers and peace be upon him. I had no idea that he even had a place in Islam. Jesus is revered in Islam.

[Adam Curry]

When I was A Christian.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had a love and respect and admiration for Jesus as a Muslim. That doesn't end, it only grew.

[News Reporter]

But behind the slick marketing lies a darker truth. A global operation to blur the line between Christianity and Islamic Islam, to weaken believers, draw you from the cross and expand the Ummah in preparation for an Islamic world order. The rise of a caliphate.

[John C. Dvorak]

The rise. Oh, wait, wait. The rise of the caliphate.

[Adam Curry]

So you have basically, with that clip, threw in at least three tick tock clips in a sub, you know, kind of a subtext. So I object to that, that it was a good clip overall. The fact that you're so anti.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was her clip. I, I, I didn't.

[Adam Curry]

I know, but you play. Yeah, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only because you brought it up.

[Adam Curry]

I did bring it up and it was. And I wish I had the clips. My clips are a little different. But you're. It's the same exact thing. It's part of. I think you. Well, let's start with this. I'm only complaining about you complaining. But I will say that this op, which will lose us another group of listeners normally do with everything who. I'm just saying right now, we're going to lose, we're going to lose support because you. We can't. Every time we reveal Ops.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Which are obvious once you deconstruct them. The more you play, the more obvious it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. People get mad.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, in my opinion, this particular op, if we're going to just go with it 100% is lame. I don't. This is the, if this is the best they can do. This has got to be some part Bannon's group or something. This is lame. Well, this is going to get. No, this is not going to drive the vote.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Of course this is pathetic, but there's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money to be made the minute Flynn is in on this stuff. Because that's where we first heard about it. He brought it.

[Adam Curry]

All right. Don't forget, ban it, didn't ban and build some of the wall.

[Guest Expert]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah. By the way, when we do ops, we're not trying to win the approval of human beings. We're trying to tell you something. We're trying to give you truth here, and you can't handle the truth. So here's the last one. This is another Bannon guy.

[Adam Curry]

The good producers can handle the truth. They like it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the good ones can. So this is another guy. If I hadn't seen two guys in one week, it would have been less convincing that Bannon's in on it. This is Peter. Peter McElvena. And Peter McElvena, he is a co founder of Hearts of Oak, a UK based freedom of speech alliance. So there could be a North Sea nexus element to this, considering the Muslim Brotherhood is a UK invention. So you know, there may be an angle to this we haven't quite seen yet. But here him. Texas by the end of the decade will have more mosques than any other state in the US at the moment. California I think has got around 400, most Texas around 350. But Texas added 50 mosques over the last 24 months. So he's taken it from 48 to 50 now. So now it's 50 over. This is the meme 48 in two years he's taken it to 50. And that is rapidly increasing in early.

[Guest Expert]

I won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is rapidly increasing. No evidence, but it's rapidly increasing. And not as rapidly increasing in Irving where I was. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Slow down.

[Adam Curry]

That's good, Steve.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good.

[Adam Curry]

Interrupted.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many mosques in the last 24 months? 48 mosques in the last 24 months. And that is rapidly increasing rapidly. Rapidly increasing rapidly. And where I was. Hang on. They're opening multiple months in the state of Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds surprised.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is not Epic city issue, which is one area that everyone is focusing on. Thank God no one built anything across. And this is primarily in the, in the Dallas Houston area. And of course down in what. What is in the urban area.

[Adam Curry]

What did he say? Dallas, Houston. I know it's like there is no Dallas Houston area. Those are the two. They're far, as far away as you can get. This is like this is in the Los Angeles San Francisco area.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very good. I should have caught that one. Very good, very good. This guy's mainly in the Dallas Houston where you go on vacation. The Dallas Houston area. Okay. My God. This is primarily in the, in the Dallas Houston area. And of course the on in Austin. This is in the urban areas. I think they're the huge amount of in. I need to look at my figures, but they're around 200 mosques, 215 mosques I think that are now in the Dallas Houston area and around 100 plus mosques in Austin. Okay, so we'll just.

[Adam Curry]

100 mosques in Austin.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think that's true. But you know, a mosque can be, you know, know it doesn't have to be a huge building. You know, there's just little dots on the map. Anyway, we'll wrap it up with this.

[News Reporter]

Let's give you a bit of Background as well, Mugo, about these organizations that we're talking about, including the Muslim Brotherhood, it may sound familiar to you. This is a group that was founded in Egypt. It really rose to power, rose to influence after the Arab Spring. But important to note that it also became something that American Americans grew to see as a threat in Egypt. The ideology within the Muslim Brotherhood also spread to some other groups that you'll now know, Hamas and Hezbollah as well. But important to mention here that there has really been no material tie from the Muslim Brotherhood to cair. Also, cair, which is an American based group, has never actually been charged with crimes like aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. And finally want to mention as well, Mugo, that when it comes to labeling groups with this label of a terrorist group or organization, it's really up to the US State Department to do that. What the governor did today was a state proclamation. And so I want to show you what we found on my screen here. This is a social media post from Greg Abbott after he had made that proclamation. And what he's saying is that this will have an impact in the state of Texas. And the impact he says it will have is that it will allow some heightened enforcement against these two groups as well. He says you'll see here this bans them from buying or acquiring land in Texas and also authorizes the attorney general to sue to shut them down.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they're going after Abbott for whatever reason.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is important. We have to figure out why they're going after Abbott.

[John C. Dvorak]

People don't like Abbott. Abbott is not popular in Texas. He's just not.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but that's got nothing to do with Bannon. He's not. Is he in Texas?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. But, but they got to start somewhere. And it's, it's just. So when you say Texas is being taken over the most Christian state in the nation, I think one of them said Bannon said that. When you say that, then everyone else gets freaked out. And this whole. Do we. I know we have.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I like to. I think the parallel that you made, made which are pointed out when the guy says, oh, they took over Nashville, a state run by a Republican.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have producers in Dearborn, Michigan. I would like to know, is it as bad as the TikTok and Instagram videos portend? Because all you hear, oh, Dearborn, Dearborn has been taken over by the Muslims. They run it all.

[Adam Curry]

And they also play the call to press rare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. That it is absolutely true that if you look at, I know the Netherlands for sure and the UK that Muslims have taken office in, you know, city councils, mayors. Absolutely. Look at the city of London. I mean London shouldn't say the city of Look London, Siddiq Khan and. Yeah. Well then get off your blessed assurance and go run for office. Run for office.

[Adam Curry]

Take a genius.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that?

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't take a genius to vote somebody out.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And run yourself. I mean but this is an op and I agree with you. I think it's weak but right now it's really dominating the airwaves here in Fredericksburg. Everybody's talking about it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, well again it's another one of these. Maybe it's experimental to see where it could go. So they could. So a real op, a dynamite one could come out closer to the midterms because these things blow over.

[Guest Expert]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is no good.

[Adam Curry]

It's possible. That's what all we're looking at. And it's no big deal one way or the other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be. It could be. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And there's gonna be some other experiments. They've got to do something because Trump's scheme about the Epstein files fell apart.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's not going to, that's not going to have any effect whatsoever. And the, and the Democrats are going to kick ass. I've said this before, I'll say it again. They're going to kick ass in the midterms and they're going to impeach Trump again and the last two years of his administration are going to be sidelined.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you're going to be. And then the economy falls apart.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the economy is going to fall apart one way or the other. Sometimes sometime in the near future. It just does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well eventually, sure.

[Adam Curry]

Every 20 years it does it. So it's do to fall apart between 2027 and 2028.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, the redistricting. 2029 probably the redistricting has been halted here in Texas. Remember that's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. By some legal thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, by what?

[Adam Curry]

Same thing is going to happen in California. The redistricting in California is not going to happen. I said this from the get go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Constitutional lawyer Rob sent me a whole blurb about it was one of the, one of the three judges who was even in the, in the, what do you call it? The, the opinion that one of the, one of the other two judges wrote said, you know, you're like a sorrow stooge, like just going off on each other about how this one judge has halted this. So right now there's no redistricting happen happening.

[Adam Curry]

My understanding about the difference between Texas and California is that Texas was told to redistrict.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's. That's the meme. Yeah. Told by.

[Adam Curry]

I know. If it's told by Trump, California was just a newsome thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. By the way, thank you for listening, podcast enthusiasts. We have clearly a lot of Gen Z listeners. We welcome you all all and thank you for setting us straight on the straw hat pirate flag. Holy moly. How many emails did you receive about this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, all the emails I received. I hate to say this, but about a month ago I described this flag and where it came from early on, and it's long since typical of the show, been forgotten by their listeners and they say, and they're trying to educate us. I got a few.

[John C. Dvorak]

I must have gotten 50. 50?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I did not get 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that. This is from an anime.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is what I said a month ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure you did. I didn't remember it.

[Adam Curry]

No, nobody did.

[John C. Dvorak]

From One Piece. One Piece. By the way, sir, Patrick Coble has notified me he will be setting up the no Agenda discord so that we can get some intelligence people.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, Coble. Yep. That's the guy to do it. That way you can have a back door to the CIA.

[John C. Dvorak]

Danielle Nevada writes in, says, as a younger millennial male, I want to provide my perspective on the meanness issue. When I first heard the reports of you being mean to John, I thought it was a gag. For years, it's been clear to me that John is the bully in the partnership. And you are masterful at disarming and dealing with it. Thank you. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

So Tina wrote that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Leanne came in. She's from. Actually, I think she lives in California. Leanne Webb, wife to the OG godcaster. Hi, Adam. John says he wants to hear from the ladies. I'm weighing in. There have been brief moments throughout the whole 18 years of listening to you guys that both of you have been snippy with each other.

[Adam Curry]

Other.

[John C. Dvorak]

But. But it is my humble opinion that John does a lot to push you and to try and make you be snippy.

[Adam Curry]

Aha.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. He sometimes just shows up with a genuinely grumpy attitude. There are occasions where you, Adam, show up with a grumpy attitude also. But I must say, it's more rare than it used to be. There you go.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's because he's found Christ.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what she says. This is exactly right.

[Guest Expert]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'd say the jury is still out on who's really the snippy bully.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we Both know it's you. So I have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here.

[Adam Curry]

I had to read this. This is a douchebag comment because the guy hasn't donated. I told him to donate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do you have a douchebag voice to do this in?

[Adam Curry]

No. This is. This is interesting. I'm a mammalogist.

[John C. Dvorak]

A what?

[Adam Curry]

We're talking about the. The. The Alpha Gang gal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes, the Alpha Gal. The Lone Star tick makes you allergic to meat apparently.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, find the name of this thing. Alpha Gal. Because they're always talking about alpha males and they name this thing Alpha Gal. What is that all about? I'm a mammalologist. He writes and just wanted to mention that on the Sunday show. This is a mea culpa. You refer to marsupials and some other species as not mammals. Oh no, marsupials are stupid are mammals, you idiot. And the other species are definitely mammals. Half have. They have hair and mammary glands. That's the kicker. That would include a kangaroo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That's why they're called mammals. Hello. For milk production. Just an FYI. This is interesting. Now. Now it gets good. I have had Alpha Gal from A Lone Star Tick 3 Lone Star Tick bite. I'm sorry. I was working on. On bats in North Carolina and had a tick attached for about 24 hours. Hours. About three months later I broke out into full body hives. And after eating a hamburger, it happened a few more times after eating beef. And I went. Went for the bit for the test. In other words, he got sick from eating the hamburger. It came back positive. I was lucky. I could eat pork and venison, both mammals with no ill effect. Only beef.

[John C. Dvorak]

I waited. Wait.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did he give you his vaccination history which. Which may include Alpha Gal.

[Adam Curry]

I wait. He says I waited two years before introducing beef little by little back into my diet. And I'm happy to report I'm back on the beef baby. So luckily it can go away for some people over time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh well, good. Now donut.

[Adam Curry]

I told him to donate in the retort I sent him and he's. And he sent note back saying he's been guilted into donating. He is going to donate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good work.

[Adam Curry]

Probably five bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Hey, value is value.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I say.

[John C. Dvorak]

We do have some new terms which I'm very happy to hear since we have been been we being educated by our new Gen Zs. I think we just have to keep calling Gen Z. I think that's better. The zeds. The Zeds are here. The Zeds are listening.

[Adam Curry]

I Like the zeds.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the zeds like it because, you know, they're not getting duped by AI crap. Because we happen to know the background of stuff like this and we know historical background. And, you know, 15 years ago when we first played that clip about the Muslim brotherhood, they were two. So welcome, zeds. We love it to have you here. But there are some new dating terms that we should know about, since we are woefully uneducated about today's date dating.

[News Reporter]

Back now in the morning buzz. Remember situationships. Well, there's a whole new batch of dating terms emerging in the digital age.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can totally relate to all these. Maybe you're single, looking for love, or a parent who wants to understand what.

[Adam Curry]

Your teenager is going through.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's a quick overview of the current lingo.

[News Reporter]

Okay, so throning is when you date someone more popular or powerful to boost your social status. And then there's shreking, like the movie ogre. It means you put looks lower on your list, hoping that someone shows you their inner beauty. But your strategy ends up backfiring, which is why they call it shreking.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a shame. Another term is banksying, like the elusive street artist. You slowly withdraw emotionally from your partner without telling them. And then there's monkey barring, making sure you have secured a new love.

[Adam Curry]

Be fair before officially letting go of your ex.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or like, if you quit your job, you need a new one. It works the same with relationships.

[News Reporter]

All of these terms equate to toxic dating. Just making that very clear here. One dating coach shared a theory that people are struggling to make sense of their experiences, so they're inventing new words to process them.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I don't buy it. I've heard of some. Some. Some. These are like either local terms or nobody says this crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I've heard throning. I've heard thro. Throning. Yeah, I've heard throning. I have a little bit on Venezuela if you want to hear it, because I think I've kind of figured out what's really going on right now with the southern spear. Operation Southern spear. Are you interested?

[Adam Curry]

You think you figured out what's going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Beyond the stopping the drugs into Europe?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's definitely part of the north sea next to Texas. But it's not just about the drugs. Here's a quick update on the US Ramping up pressure. New images tonight showing u. S. Marines training here in Trinidad and Tobago. Multiple osprey aircraft carrying out joint exercises.

[Adam Curry]

With the local military as the US.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ramps up pressure on Venezuela for weeks.

[Adam Curry]

Marines from the same unit conducting live.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fire training operations across the Caribbean. Harrier fighter jets bombing targets. It comes, as the New York Times reports, President Trump signed off on additional covert CIA operations inside Venezuela that could lay the groundwork for a bigger military campaign. Citing multiple people briefed on the matter, the President saying this week he is not ruling out putting US Troops on the ground in Venezuela.

[Guest Expert]

We just have to take care of Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Times also reporting Trump authorized a new round of back channel negotiations with Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro, who reportedly offered to step down after a few years.

[Adam Curry]

But the White House rejected that plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

David, as far as the end game.

[Adam Curry]

Here, many experts say, sure it can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be about stopping drugs in this part.

[Adam Curry]

Of the world, but it's also very likely about more than that. It's very likely about forcing President Maduro.

[John C. Dvorak]

From power one way or another. Well, not exactly. And I came across because we watch all types of media, a report on RT of all places, which included in this intro clip a little statement from the Venezuelan foreign minister. At the recent United nations gathering. While everybody was talking about the escalator on the teleprompter, other things were being discussed.

[News Reporter]

It seems that the situation surrounding the disputed South American territory of essence Cuibo is reaching its boiling point. And that's all thanks to the United States and as some would say, Washington's never ending pursuit for other nations, oil and gas.

[Adam Curry]

The government of the United States of America, considering itself to be the sovereign of our continent and with the excuse of the illegal Monroe Doctrine, has once again intervened in a territorial dispute dispute that is more than 200 years old over our territory of Essequibo, Guyana. Today, the government of the United States of America wants to appropriate our oil resources using the company Exxon Mobil.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so if it's not about drugs or turf, it's always about resources.

[Adam Curry]

This is oil, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Well, this is the disputed land between Guyana and Venezuela. And here's a little backgrounder on.

[Adam Curry]

Was that guy from Guyana or Venezuela?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's from Venezuela. Now we're going back to rt. The lady will give us a little historical lesson about this disputed land and who really owns it.

[News Reporter]

What does Washington have to do with the territorial dispute between Guyana and Venezuela? Well, let's take it back a little bit. This is a border, border disputes between Guyana and Venezuela. Each side claims that this stretch of land belongs to them. And it's quite a significant portion at just about 160,000 square kilometers. It's almost a third of Guyana. It's also very rich in oil and gas. Venezuela has claimed the territory since it declared independence from Spain in 1811. Guyana, which used to be be a British colony, insists that it belongs to them after Britain gained control through a treaty with the Netherlands back in 1814. But the argument here is that the treaty wasn't specific when it comes to the borders. Fast forward a few decades and Venezuela asked the United States for help under the Monroe Doctrine, which opposed European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. Some even thought that this could lead to another war between Britain and the Now a tribunal in 1899 decided that the majority of the land belonged to the British colony, which of course was a huge disappointment for both Caracas and Washington. But when Guyana became independent in 1966, the border issue resurfaced. That's when it was decided, according to a Geneva agreement, that the territorial dispute would be reconsidered. Meanwhile, relations between Venezuela, Venezuela and Washington have deteriorated. So it's hardly surprising that Washington no longer seems to care about Venezuela's case, especially since Guyana gave drilling license to the US oil major ExxonMobil.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there it is, where British Petroleum has licenses in Venezuela. Exxon Mobil, our guys have licenses in guyana. And about 10 months ago this happened. Oops, that was a beautiful cue, but I screwed it up.

[News Reporter]

Venezuelans voted to claim sovereignty over the oil rich Esquibo region in neighboring Guyana, escalating a long standing territorial dispute between the countries centered on energy resources and sparking international concerns about annexation. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro touted the election results as a total success for the country. Venezuela's National Electoral Council claimed 10.5 million voters turned out and passed the five question ballot with 95% approval. Voters were asked if they supported the establishment of a new state in the Escoebo area and whether or not current and future residents there should be granted citizenship. Both Venezuela and Guyana view the area as sovereign, and Guyana has argued any action from Venezuela to claim it would amount an annexation. Venezuela's interest in the Escuebo region was revived into 2015 when Exxon Mobil discovered a massive offshore oil reserve in its waters. In the eight years since, some 46 offshore discoveries have been made, accounting for more than 11 billion barrels of recoverable oil resources.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we got the Guyana region, Esquibo, however you pronounce it, ExxonMobil, British Petroleum is in Venezuela. And then all of a sudden Maduro says, yeah, we're going to take that piece there. And Trump's like, no, that's our oil. We've got the deal. Remember, it's called Southern Speake.

[News Reporter]

The US is apparently looking to set up a military base there.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the Guiana guy.

[Adam Curry]

We denounce that the government of the United States of America intends to military.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sorry, this is still Venezuela Guy.

[Adam Curry]

Rise this situation. The US Southern Command wants to create a military base in the disputed territory in order to create a spearhead in its aggression against Venezuela and consolidate the plundering of our enemy energy resources.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's what it's about. That's why we're going to build a base there. No, you're not going to take the oil. We've got the deal. You're not going to take this country. All of a sudden, this Esquibo, that's what the. What the military operation is about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The oil field is the Starbrook Block.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a big one. It's a big one. And we did the discovery.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we did. And it's ExxonMobil that did it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And BP. This is. This is classic. It used to be a Dutch Anglo thing. This is so classic. No, you're not going to have that. We'll sell it to you. But you can't just.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, so we can make their lives miserable by blowing up these ships.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Boats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well.

[Adam Curry]

Can't get enough cocaine. Can't get into Europe. What are you going to do? Cocaine can't lesson.

[John C. Dvorak]

America, baby. America. I was just blown away. Like. I have to get this from rt. Where's our media?

[Adam Curry]

Khashoggi to get this from rt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein. I had to get it from rt.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, there's actually a cocaine story if you're done with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I am.

[Adam Curry]

Which also didn't show up very much. I mean I could. You could find it here and there. Online line about the. About this guy, Ryan Wedding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's this?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Never heard this. This is a major story.

[News Reporter]

The Justice Department has announced new charges against former Olympian Ryan James Wedding, who is accused of running a massive transnational drug network. The former snowboarder is now One of the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives entities. Christina Corona tells us more. The Department of Justice and announced Wednesday that new charges have been unsealed against Ryan Wedding, a former Canadian snowboarder and Olympic athlete now accused of running a massive drug trafficking empire. Authorities are offering a 15 million dollar reward for his capture. He controls one of the most prolific and violent drug trafficking organizations in this world. He is currently the largest distributor of cocaine in Canada. Authorities say Weddings group imports roughly 60 metric tons of cocaine a year into Los Angeles using semi trucks from Mexico, moving over a billion dollars worth of narcotics across the Americas. So far, 35 people have been indicted and authorities have seized over 4,000 pounds of drugs, weapons, 3.2 million in cryptocurrency and $13 million in assets. Assets. FBI Director Keshe Patel compared Wedding to some of the world's most notorious drug lords.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ryan wedding is a modern day iteration of Pablo Escobar.

[Adam Curry]

He's a modern day iteration of El Chapo Guzman.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is responsible for engineering a narco.

[Adam Curry]

Trafficking and narco terrorism program that we.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have not seen in a long time. Puts a whole new take on snowboarding.

[Adam Curry]

I know. And you know, if you're the assignment editor on a newspaper or the these networks, this would be a top story because it's so interesting and the snowboard pun is absolutely part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where'd you get these clips from?

[Adam Curry]

Ntd, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds a bit like Dana from that lawyer who used to be on fox. What's her name? I guess it's not Perino. No, no, no, no. I think with the dark hair.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know Dana the other day. Well, anyway, he played part two of.

[John C. Dvorak]

This and we'll wrap it up. We'll wrap it up.

[News Reporter]

Wedding and 14 defendants, including a Canadian lawyer, are charged with orchestrating the January 2025 murder of a witness who was shot at a restaurant in Colombia. Wedding now faces additional counts including witness tampering and intimidation, murder, money laundering and drug trafficking.

[Adam Curry]

Ryan wedding is extremely dangerous.

[Tech Expert]

He's extremely violent and he's extremely wild.

[News Reporter]

Wealthy.

[Tech Expert]

He's being protected by the sinaloa cartel along with others in the country of Mexico. We will find him and we will.

[Adam Curry]

Bring him to justice.

[News Reporter]

Law enforcement across the U. S, Canada and Mexico continue efforts to locate wedding who remains among the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives. Christina Corona and TD News.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that is a good story. And why wouldn't they report on that other than that it's British.

[Adam Curry]

What takes away from the Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry, Epstein. Yes. Well, with that I want to thank you for your courage. Say hello to you, the man who put the sea in the cocaine empire. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. In the morning you miss Adam Kran.

[Guest Expert]

Morning.

[Adam Curry]

Ships to see boost and the ground. Feet in the air, subs in the water and all the names and knights out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me Count different. I don't have a peek. Huh. Something's broken. We have about 1300 now, but it was more. A lot more earlier.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they all missed a Ryan wedding story. They.

[John C. Dvorak]

They did. And. And they're going to miss a great donation story as we're going to thank our supporters here at the best podcast in the United States universe, who support us with time, talent and treasure. Big news out of Japan. Did you see the email this morning?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I did.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got a. I put it in the show notes. There was a half hour profile done on NHK's Japano files. Japano files of two of our top producers. In fact, they are the. The Grand Duchess and Duke of Japan and all the disputed islands in the Japan Sea. Dame Astrid and Sir Mark. Did you watch the video?

[Adam Curry]

No, I haven't had time for it. I just got it this morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll just play the intro. It's really cool.

[News Reporter]

A distinctive facade inspired by traditional Japanese open work carving. It's a landmark location located on one of Tokyo's most iconic shopping streets. This is a bookstore lounge that masterfully fuses international design sensibilities with the essence of traditional Japanese culture. These designs are the work of Astrid Klein from Italy and Mark Dytham from the United Kingdom. They met at the Royal College of Art in London and came to Japan in 1988. Since then, they've designed not only buildings, but also interiors and furniture, creating spaces that foster communication and creativity for those who spend time there. In this episode, Astrid Klein and Mark Ditham share insights from their decades of work in Japan.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a little better with the video. You can see the buildings, man. They have done some of the most iconic buildings in the.

[Adam Curry]

Oops, no. They're dynamite in Japan.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. They are dynamite. So those of you who support us, you are amongst good company. Go take a look at that episode and be like, wow, wow, wow. You'll want to go visit Tokyo right away. Go hang out with them. And they welcome all no Agenda producers to their homes. I'm reliably informed this is a fact.

[Adam Curry]

I want to get this out of the way. It's a note that came in about the donations. Okay, I'm writing. This is from Leora Coronel and she says, I'm writing that she got the executive producer her credit for the last show. But she mentions this problem that happened. I have an explanation. I'm writing to request a correction of the mistake John made. Hard to believe, but true. During the donation portion of the show. The fantastic vintage biological warfare Department letterhead that was gifted to John at the meetup this past Saturday along with $300 donation was credited to someone named John Lake in Santa Cruz.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stolen vessel $.

[Adam Curry]

However, it was actually from my smoking hot husband, Gus Coronel from Nevada City, California. I don't really have any clue how I got that mixed up. Although there was. It was sitting at the table inside before we moved outside. And there was the handover of the beef and the letterhead. And then there it was in an envelope and people stuffed other stuff in the envelope. Is this the envelope for the donations? They shoved it in there. They got it mixed up that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now wait a minute. So I can go back and change. Change the credits. Oh, it was a hundred dollar donation. So it wasn't actually on the credit?

[Adam Curry]

No, no. It was a $300 donation. She corrected that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And you know, there's nothing to change. She got her credit. She's on the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was a. A switcheroo, right?

[Adam Curry]

No, she got it. She got the switcheroo.

[John C. Dvorak]

She did. Yep, she did.

[Adam Curry]

Gus has had this letterhead since he. I met him over 25 years ago. And he's been saving it for a special occasion ever since. Since. So we have to definitely give Gus credit for saving it for the no Agenda show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Last week he finally decided this special occasion would be meeting John in person, which he did. After the meetup, he was so excited that he got to give this awesome gift to John and this is a killer. I'm sure you can understand our disappointment when someone else was given the credit. I feel bad about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I'd like to make sure that Gus gets the credit he deserves. Yes, I remember Gus. The whole thing. I have no idea. Idea how this got mixed up in the. There was a pile of stuff. It's a pile of stuff happens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stuff happens.

[Adam Curry]

Stuff happens. But Gus gots the credit now. Thank you for your courage. And there's thank you for mention for your attention to this matter. Your loyal listener, future Dame Leora. So that. Yes, that letterhead, which is just a dynamite piece of memorabilia, is in the permanent collection.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got an emergency note from one of our knights. Sir Scott the Jew from North Idaho. Speaking. Speaking of our wonderful producer pool, we have award winning world renowned architects and many more. He says a close friend of mine is an emergency situation with his hand. He is a master mechanic, so he of course relies on his hands. He has been struggling for months with massive swelling and debilitating pain. And despite seeing multiple doctors, no one has been able to diagnose the problem. Are there any hand surgeons or specialists in Gibbon who could help? He can travel if needed. Email sja.com thank you for your attention to this matter. You know what? It wouldn't surprise me if we have a hand specialist out there.

[Adam Curry]

I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

I hope there is, so this guy can get back on track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, indeed. All right.

[Adam Curry]

He needs that aggravation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you. Really thank you to the. To all of our trolls, the Troll Room, who are listening noagendastream.com and of course, using the modern podcast apps podcastapps.com value for value. It comes in many different forms. We talk a lot about it. We talked a lot about on this show. Some of it is AI. And boy, did we get an AI piece of artwork for episode 1817, which we titled Stunt Grenade. Not stun, but Stunt Grenade. And of course that came through noagendaartgenerator.com which anybody can use. And by the way, I've seen the designs for our Rubbleizer challenge coin. That looks really nice. That comes from Paul Couture, right?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And they're. I'll probably. I'll put them in the next newsletter. You can take a look at them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that will be obviously a very limited supply for Rubbleizers.

[Adam Curry]

We won't have to make too many, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we won't. So thank you, Blue Acorn, for doing a great piece of art. There's a bunch of robots sitting in the class looking at the blackboard. AI class. And one it says on the blackboard, Listen to agree 3 kill some. And I guess we found that humorous. It's not as funny today for some reason. Doesn't feel as funny today looking at it. But man, it's so hard when people are just tapping away. There's so much art and none of it's good. Almost none of it in hindsight. Did some of those pirate flags come in? They came in later, I think.

[Adam Curry]

No, they came in. There was a bunch of pirate flags.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder why we didn't use one of those. Might have been better.

[Adam Curry]

I used the straw hat skull flag, which was not anything like the one that's going around.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

As a. For the. For the newsletter. But the reason was, I think is because these weren't the. This was. This was an actual sombrero pirate flag. When it's not a sombrero, it's a straw hat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there is one also from Blue Acorn, which I don't recall seeing, but you know, people just think that, you know, you still gotta have talent to come up with something funny. And you gotta reprompt and prompt again and prompt some more. And why.

[Adam Curry]

What's interesting is this. Coach Joe has been submitting these crazy cartoons. I don't know what system he's using to get these things. Yeah, but they're interesting. They're not usable because everything's too small. You can't read anything. But it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's definitely using a model that is not used by others.

[Adam Curry]

No one else is using whatever he's using. That's all I can say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, prompt. Well, prompt better be a good prompter or create something by hand. There's still people who do that from time to time. And they do win quite often, I would say, because there was really nothing above, you know, some real human skills. Because this is, this is the literal definition of slop. Most of it. No agenda Art generator dot com.

[Adam Curry]

These two guys, they. Somebody took our, our pictures and swapped out the faces with some other people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again, we're not going to do. We're not going to use.

[Adam Curry]

We're not going to use it. But that's. Who's that person that's. That's playing you? And who's the guy's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, the goofball.

[Adam Curry]

That's my face.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think. Your shoes. Schumer. You look like Schumer.

[Adam Curry]

You look a little like Schumer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Who do I look like? Like some bad soap opera. Soap opera actor.

[Adam Curry]

You look like some. I don't know what you. Who that's supposed to be? I think it's supposed to be someone.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know who it is. I don't know who that is. No. No idea. Anyway, no agenda Art Generator that wasn't.

[Adam Curry]

Going to get picked no matter what.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no agenda artgenerator.com and believe me that there's still plenty of chances for you to win just looking at what's come in so far. Now we want to thank our. We thank everybody. $50 and above. We want to thank our executive and associate executive producers. You receive this credit when you are in the opportunity to donate $200 or more. We will not only give you the title of associate executive producer, which is a real Hollywood credit. Can be used anywhere where Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb.com, which is kind of. Of cool. You know, if you're, if you're out there throning or shreking, you can say, hey, you know, I'm. I'm A producer. Associate executive producer. Oh really? Oh really? Prove it. Oh, go to IMDb. Look me up. Look me up on IMDb.com. oh wow. Yeah, it's true. $300 or more will get you an executive producership. And same applies. We will read your note. And we start off today with a switcheroo from Baroness Ladybird in Provencal, Louisiana. And she says, please deduce you've been de douched and give the executive producer credit to Sean Wester, Colonel, United States Marine Corps, retired.

[Adam Curry]

Happy. Another colonel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happy birthday, my love. Semper Fi. Baroness Ladybird, Eagle of Toledo Bend. That's beautiful. Semper Fi. Always faithful. That's right. Right. Beautiful switcheroo has been implemented. Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Josh Sheepdog buford in Midlothian, Virginia. 333.33 in the morning. Adam hey, listening from Virginia since 2020 as a men's alliance member, are you a part of this?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a member. I'm not familiar with the Men's Alliance.

[Adam Curry]

I'm traveling right now on a bus to Lake Bridgeport in Texas where 112. 112 men are finishing training to share the gospel, to answer life's hard questions, the truth, and to earn their Men's alliance patch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I need one.

[Adam Curry]

I'll just. Yeah. I left a restaurant biz a couple years ago to help train and experience Equip Barbarian Ambassadors for Christ. Christ Barbarian Ambassadors for Christ. Nearly 400 Men's alliance tribes across the country meet weekly for an outdoor workout and devotion around a fire while disciplining each other.

[John C. Dvorak]

Discipling.

[Adam Curry]

Discipling sounds like disciplining each other and building our base of brothers. More are starting every week. I get fired up every time I hear you get give an answer for the hope that you have. Thank you for using your voice for his kingdom. Capital K. Maybe I can talk you into visiting Lost Pines tribe in Bastrop, which I don't think is anywhere near you. One Saturday morning, all men can find a tribe near you or start a tribe by visiting mensalliance tribe.com mensalliance tribe.com 1 Peter 3:15 Josh Sheepdog Buford well, something for us you to do next.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time I go visit.

[Adam Curry]

More work?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Well, next time I go visit my buddy in the slammer which is in Bastrop, then I might drop by. It's always on a Saturday, so I just might.

[Adam Curry]

Bastrop has a prison?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. A federal penitentiary? Yes. Thank you for the invitation, Josh. Sir. Nate the Rogue Central Point, Oregon.333 he says he belonged to Intelligence, referring to Epstein, no doubt. Sir Nate the Rogue PS Go Podcasting emoji. All right, thank you. Emoji. Is there a Go podcasting emoji or are you just saying emoji just like a Tourette's thing. Emoji, emoji, emoji.

[Adam Curry]

Chris in BERKREIM, NORWAY I'm guessing 333 we have a lot of Norwegians that listen to this show in memory. My brother Van Vance Knudsen. His trip on the roller coaster called life ended November 14th. Age 50. To any no Agenda producers, please pick up that phone and call friend or relative you keep thinking about calling but never do. Maybe you can make a difference. Chris the Medvening Hilson.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's best regards with many happy regards.

[Adam Curry]

Executive producer of Noah Jeff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sorry about that, Chris coming in from Las Vegas, Nevada with a long note. Moose 2165, also known as normatic Steven Moose. And he says, hey John. Hey, John. Just wanted to follow up on the note I wrote last time because I didn't want to write something and about the meetup and be a douchebag and not donate. It was my first time donating over $200. I wasn't sure how to attach the notes to the donation. Yes, I'm passing through town, I was thinking thrilled to attend my second meetup ever and hang out with fellow producers. Regarding the meetup, the comments about John, they were meant to be taken in jest. Oh, this is that. You were. You were off putting off putting.

[Adam Curry]

And I was sick.

[John C. Dvorak]

I left also.

[Adam Curry]

I did and I didn't stand around for photos, by the way. The funny thing is, most of the time I do get some photos. Just it was the timing. The place was packed. It was more than the usual number. I mean, we have at least 4, 40 and normally it's about 30. And it actually makes.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a lesson in nuance and writing. You know, things can be taken out of context, he says. Also, I didn't realize, my bad, that the person you were talking to wasn't your son. Everyone I talked to at the meetup told me that so told me it was. So I assumed it was the case as well. He's got uppercase ass. I genuinely appreciate all the things you and Adam do for the show. It was great hanging out with the other producers. I made a promise to a listener named Kate, Ken Sparkle Buckets and his wife Jill to give them a shout out for some jobs. Karma for Ken. Also wanted to thank them for the beer I'm really looking forward to attending Burning man with them next year. Oh brother.

[Adam Curry]

That's the kicker in that note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Burning man, he's a burner. Or a future burner. I want to wish a happy retirement to Sir Chris of Carmel and Dame Kristen safe travels this week. Finally want to express my gratitude to my best friend Sir John, of course Jupiter, who introduced me to the show several years ago. He's an amazing person, a great husband and a loving father to his three daughters. I thoroughly enjoyed spending time with his family during my summer stay in Salt Lake City. Although Sir Sean of the Northern Everglades gave him a good punch in the mouth. Guess you can blame him for introducing us to the show. Please continue to do great work as well as the show has a significant impact on many of our listeners lives. And John, next time we're at a meeting up, we're definitely getting a photo together. Thank you, says nomadic Steven Moose. And here is the jobs karma requested.

[News Reporter]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go with Eli the coffee guy. $211.20. A huge thank you for everyone who jumped on the early release of our gigawatt canned cold brew.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm drinking the. I love it.

[Adam Curry]

Really appreciate the support and the kind words so many of you leave in the notes when ordering. It's humbling to know how many producers love our coffee. You know their coffee grinds. I have, I go, I don't use their coffee exclusively because I like to have contrast once in a while.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, everybody, contrast. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Their coffee requires a coarse grind because it really, I don't know what it is, but it's interesting how every, you know, if you got a Breville, you know, you got this, you get this fine. You can fine tune. You have to. With a Bret. With the real Breville, you have to have it so the coffee starts coming out and the eight second mark and so you have to keep adjusting the grind so this, this occurs. And their coffee really requires a very interesting grind compared to almost everybody else.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow, that's good info.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's useless. Sorry. We really appreciate your support. The kind words of so many. That's okay, I picked up the sarcasm. The kind words many of you leave in the notes. It's humbling to know how many producers love a coffee. That's the idea. And what it's by the way, still better than the contrasting coffees I try. Especially some of their blends. Every once in a while he hits something out of the park. Also a happy birthday to my Amazing wife, Jen, the other half of gigawatt. She did the design for the. For the cans. She's obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

We love Jen's cans.

[Adam Curry]

No, she.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Your website gigawatt coffee roasters.com to see how they are handiwork. Visit the website for anyone who missed out. Don't worry. The official launch drops on Black Friday. Until then, stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I love the gigawatt can cold brew. I really do. Especially you shake it hard to release the nitro. Alejandro. Alo ser. 210 and 60 cents, he says. Thanks. You're welcome. Great work, guys. Adam, please go to the Fallen State with Jesse Lee Peterson. That would be amazing. No Agenda and Jesse are the. Oh, please go on the Fallen State. State. Okay, if he emails me, we can see if we can work it out. No, what is.

[Adam Curry]

What is the Fallen State?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a podcast. I guess no Agenda and Jesse are the only shows worth my time and money. Hilarious and profound. Many more public service years. Please. All right. I'm not familiar with the Fallen state. I'll take a look while you read the next note, which apparently you have.

[Adam Curry]

No, the next notes from Lyndon Scott Johnson. I. I don't. Oh, yeah, this one. This is. They actually donated last time. This is the people in Kissimmee. Kissimmee. Kissimmee. Whatever we pronounce it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kissimmee.

[Adam Curry]

This is another donation. 204. 77. Just a check that came in that said photo export because they had this photo export product they plugged profusely in the last show. And here's another check from them with no note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Wow. This Jesse guy does like a show every single day. Day.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, a hard worker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Seems to be a lot of interesting. He's got. He's got a lot of AI images on his YouTube. Okay. All right, we go to. There she is, Linda Lupat in Lakewood, Colorado. And she wants jobs. Karma and says, as always, for competitive edge with a resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs.

[Adam Curry]

Needs.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all of them. And that's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And you get to work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

[News Reporter]

Jobs, Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Then we come to Sir Switcheroo, the black baron of the i4 corridor. And he came in with 200 bucks. And he did send in a note, which I have. And you should queue up the foamer clip Foamer Foamer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got it.

[Adam Curry]

The request will be more obvious. This is switcheroo. It's another thing you got to do. This is associate executive producer ship is the second time this has happened to Vladimir Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's switch my knight name from Sir Fur to Sir Switcher. I haven't been surfing. Oh, it used to be surfer. Get it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't been surfing much lately because I'm getting too old. I'm 65. Furthermore, I've donated more switcheroos than my own producer credits. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Jingles foamer, followed by a Tucker laugh. If Adam would be so kind. And karma for all producers. Thank you for your courage. Love is lit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, come give it a. Give it a shot. Shot. Oh, my God.

[News Reporter]

Listen to that horn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pretty good.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's hard. It's hard to do it on. It's hard to do it on command.

[Adam Curry]

It's always hard to do stuff like that on command. That. But you, you, you. This is the one. You have the skill.

[John C. Dvorak]

I brought it. I brought it.

[Adam Curry]

You did it. You did. It was killer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you to this executive and associate executive producers who went to noagendadonations.com to keep us going for another four more years. We'll be thanking the rest of our supporters. $50 and above. It's time, talent and treasure. Yes, you can hit someone in the mouth. Yes, you can set up a meetup. Yes, you can send us some artwork. Yes, you can send us jingles, end of show mixes. All of it is appreciated, especially the financials, because even we have bills to pay. Thank you again. Congratulations. Go to noagendadonations.com our formula is this.

[Guest Expert]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

I tried it again. Tried it again. Everybody. It's raining here. Cats and dogs. Raining cats and dogs here.

[Adam Curry]

It rained here last night. Cats and dogs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I want to play a little warning clip here.

[John C. Dvorak]

A warning clip?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oysters and scallops in Japan clip. This is part of. This is only part of a long presentation that was on nhk and they have had an oyster kill off and the scallop kill off, and they can't produce enough. And those prices are going to skyrocket. I don't know if it's going to affect it. It doesn't seem to be happening anywhere else. But the Japanese are going to pay 200 much, which means that they're going to import stuff, which means the prices are going to go up. So people should be out there. Aware of the fact that oysters and scallops may cost more.

[John C. Dvorak]

There could be multiple factors behind the dead oysters. In addition to global warming, there has been little rain, which means the water.

[Adam Curry]

Salt level is higher.

[John C. Dvorak]

This could have impacted their health. Fish that feel hot in Japan will move north to somewhere the water temperature feels appropriate. But oysters are fixed in one. The situation with the scallops has continued for several years and for oysters too. Before I heard about damage in certain areas.

[Adam Curry]

But this time it's broader, covering the three prefectures of Hyogo, Hiroshima and Okayama.

[John C. Dvorak]

It really is unprecedented.

[News Reporter]

He also says there won't be an easy fix and shellfish hungry consumers may have to fork out much more than they're used to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, how come they didn't say it's due to climate change?

[Guest Expert]

Change?

[Adam Curry]

They did at the beginning it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Due to climate change.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they said it might be. They're not so, you know, they're not sure about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I have, I have some food related clips.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, which is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's from the BBC. So take it with, you know, with your grain of salt. But a new like surprise, surprise, they released a, a new peer reviewed. What's the, what's the big, the big place where you release all of your studies, your, you know, your medical stuff.

[Adam Curry]

All kinds of places.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, one of the big ones, processed food is not good for you. What, what?

[News Reporter]

I know a giant conspiracy to promote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Addiction, spread chronic disease and cause us.

[News Reporter]

To lead shorter, sicker lives. That's what ultra process processed foods are essentially, according to a global study published in the Lancet Medical Journal which argues that so called UPFs are linked to illnesses such as cancer and diabetes. Chris Van Tulleken is Professor of Infection and Global Health at University College London. He's one of the authors of the study and he's also the author of the influential book Ultra Processed People.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ultra processed food is a formal scientific definition. It's also known as Nova Group and it broadly describes the category of packaged goods made by transnational food corporations. And to understand how they're made and why they're so full of additives, you've got to sort of imagine that you're running a food company. So if you're running a food company and I'm running a food company, we've only got two ways of making money. We can drop the price of ingredients. So we start using additives. Flavors rather than strawberries, emulsifiers rather than eggs. And we can also engineer our food so that it's Very hard to stop eating and people buy lots and lots of it. We can dominate food environments, we can suppress real and whole food. And so that's the project of transnational food companies. And I say that without agenda. That's sort of what we pay them to do in a way. Well, now this is riveting and it's amazing how people.

[Adam Curry]

Riveting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would you rather do your TikTok clips?

[Adam Curry]

I'm fine. No, no, I want to hear the rest of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

This.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, of course we're both in total agreement with what he's saying. Like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what I, what I like is that he's saying it's part of the whole system. It's like we process the food, you get sick, you stay sick, we keep you going with the pharmacy.

[Adam Curry]

You want.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. Yes. You want ultra processed people. And you're a co author of this paper in the Lancet.

[News Reporter]

Just, just tell us what its findings are.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a series of three papers published in the Lancet today being launched at the Royal College of Physicians in London. I'm sorry, it's not the Lancet. It's the Lancet. It's the Lancet. Get it straight. Lancet. The authorship is primarily from the global south, from Latin America and Brazil and from sub Saharan Africa. There are authors also from all around the world. There are 43 of us. The paper is broken up into three sections. First of all, we look at the scientific evidence linking ultra processed food to health harms. And we've done a formal meta analysis of more than 100 of the kind of studies that linked tobacco to lung cancer. And we've looked at lots of experimental evidence, both animal evidence, human evidence, laboratory evidence, alongside this population data. So we're very clear now that we have reached the threshold where we can say a dietary pattern high in ultra processed food causes negative health outcomes. And there's a wide range of these. Obesity, weight gain, metabolic disease, cardiovascular disease, cerebrovascular disease, stroke, gastrointestinal disease, depression, and early death from all causes. And we know from other published work that poor diet has overtaken or is at least on parity with tobacco now as the leading cause of early death on planet Earth. So it's as bad as smoking.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder. When I hear these stories, I always wonder if they include more to death. Mortadella. Mortadella is ultra processed.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is mortadella?

[Adam Curry]

Mortadella is what bologna should be. Oh, it's Italian. It is the. They're big slices of. It's a lunch meat that the Italians sell it. It's absolutely delicious. Mortadella is what you get instead of bologna.

[John C. Dvorak]

And is it processed well?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I mean it's, you know, if it's just a smooth. Yeah, it has. It's the process, process like it's similar grind and processing that you might get from a hot dog. Which is another thing I wonder about is a hot dog which contains a lot of offal o f f a l which is the various pieces of gut and cartilage and who knows what, ground into a fine paste and then turned into a sausage. It seems to me a hot dog should be healthy because it contains all kinds of things you wouldn't normally eat.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know the ones at Costco, those are the most healthy. And you get a drink and a hot dog for a buck 25, buck 50. Did they raise the price we thought it was?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's always been a buck fifty. Your price is wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, maybe it's cheaper in Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Next time you go check, I will.

[John C. Dvorak]

So surprisingly, this is really going to talk about the poor people in the south, in the southern hemisphere, and this.

[News Reporter]

Has long been a problem in the west, but it's a growing problem in places like Africa and Latin America. And there's no benefit for people there because these are big multinational companies that are making the profits, whereas people in places like Africa and Latin America are suffering all these health consequences.

[John C. Dvorak]

You talk about the companies that do this sort of processing. There aren't a long list of them. They're the, the brands, you know, they make your breakfast cereals, your favorite cola drink, your ready meals, your candy and chocolate. They are primarily. Most of the shareholders of those companies are institutional investors based in the global North. That's, that's broadly true. And so any benefit accrues into high income settings that already have high income settings. And we also have healthcare infrastructure to deal with the appalling externalization cost of the diet that the food industry essentially forces people with low incomes to eat. And so when we look at that in a low or middle income context, it is completely unaffordable. And I think that's why such strong advocacy has come from particularly south and Central America where in a single generation obesity went from being essentially unheard of to being the dominant public health problem. We should give them some ozempics, send some ozempics, speak to Africa, that'll fix this.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this is annoying in the regards that they say just because something's fast food and it looks like it sells relatively cheap, it's not cheaper. Than you making the same product yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Or buying hamburger meat, for example.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

One of my favorite treats from Taco Bell, which comes and goes. They used to be on the menu permanently, but now it's not any anymore, is the tostada, the bean tostada. That is a flat piece of hard cornmeal tortilla, hard cooked and then spread with a layer of refried beans. Some shredded cheese, very little shredded cheese, some lettuce, maybe some tomatoes. Little pieces which are not inconsequential. And that's with a sauce. There's a sauce in involved. You can copy that. And I've done it the exact same thing. Now, those things cost. Used to cost a minimum of 99 cents, but then they went up to a buck 50 and I don't know what, they don't have them half the time anymore. You can make the same exact thing for about 25 to 30 cents using.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you.

[Adam Curry]

Using the same exact ingredients, only better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say, because we have a lot of people who are struggling who listen to the show. Seriously. Go to beefmaps.com find there's ranchers all across America, but of course you can find them everywhere in the world and get ground beef from them. Get as much as you can afford. You will be surprised what wonderful meals you can make with ground beef. I mean, you get some cheap spaghetti sauce, you can make it yourself. You can make meatloaf, you can make hamburgers. Use your imagination, use the Internet. Use AI and you will. I mean, we literally buy all of our beef in one go from KNC cattle. The two of us, it takes us like three months. And the amount of money that we spend in three months for the two of us would be going out to dinner in Fredericksburg three times. That's how long you can stretch. Buying beef directly from a ranch rancher. And it's much healthier. Man, it's really raining here. It's like storming.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes, it's a healthier. Even if it's not like the copy of a tostada, which I don't know how healthy are refried beans? I'm not sure. But whatever the case is, it's the idea that poor people have to eat from these fast food operations. I mean, do you know what a big Mac could cost a fortune.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have to. But the way.

[Adam Curry]

And you don't have to if you have the wherewithal. You need a frying pan and maybe a stove.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital id. Closer and closer every day. We're Moving in, we're getting, we're teeing things up and here's the latest.

[News Reporter]

The massive online gaming platform Roblox, which is used by millions of children under the age of 13, announced today it'll soon require every player to scan their face and use AI powered facial technology to estimate their age. We tested it out at Roblox headquarters earlier this year. Dozens of families, along with the Kentucky and Louisiana attorneys general, have sued Roblox and chat platform Discord for allegedly failing to protect children from sexual predators on the their platforms. Roadblock CEO David Bouzucki spoke today with Tony decouple on CBS Mornings.

[John C. Dvorak]

The parents were like, geez, now I'm supposed to send a picture of my kid in.

[Adam Curry]

That sounds crazy to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you say? I want to highlight.

[Adam Curry]

This isn't a selfie or this isn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Capturing a picture that could ever be shared or exposed, but we're really not storing these images. They're deleted soon after we put process them.

[News Reporter]

Roadblocks says it has revamped its online safety center as well and says the new age check requirement will roll out first in Australia, New Zealand, and the Netherlands, then expanding to more countries in early January. Meanwhile, Discord says it does not comment on pending litigation and says it's deeply committed to safety.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Discord is not going to do any of that. We can't leave the spooks in that way. Discord is not going to be a part of that.

[Adam Curry]

That's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

And of course, we have the real ID here in the United States, which is nothing more than your driver's license with a little star stamp on it. But, you know, that'll be digital soon enough, and we're just amping it up to make sure everybody gets one. The TSA is now proposing a new rule to charge passengers who don't have a real ID or a passport. Those passengers would pay $18 and have their identity verified at special kiosks. The verification would be good for 10 days.

[Adam Curry]

Days.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not clear when the new rule would go into effect. Man, none of this is good. None of this is good. It's heading. It's heading that way.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's don't let it, okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Complaining on a podcast usually helps.

[Adam Curry]

That's the way to go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stops.

[Adam Curry]

People should all complain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tracks it. Stops legislation and its tracks. The question these days, though, should we even call it a podcast anymore? This is.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the question. Yes, you are familiar with Bill Simmons?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bill Simmons used to be on espn. He Was a big guy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the big. Oh, Bill. That Bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bill Simmons. Yeah, the big ESPN Bill Simmons guy. So he started the ringer. Very, very well known podcast network which he sold to Spotify. Did quite well for himself. And you know, it's up in the air now. Should we call this a podcast? Brian asks at what point do we retire the term podcast? Nobody uses an iPad.

[Adam Curry]

And with the pivot to video and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Streaming, these are very clearly talk shows. I love how he doesn't correct.

[Adam Curry]

Stop, stop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, he doesn't love how he doesn't correct. IPad to ipod.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he said iPad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So he.

[Adam Curry]

It's a padcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Not necessarily.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we're stuck with the term. I just think we're going to morph into saying video podcasts or podcasts, depending on if it's a video show or not. But if you look at the definition of podcasts, which I looked up, a.

[Adam Curry]

Podcast is a program made available in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Digital format for download over the Internet. No, it is in an RSS feed, not just for download over the Internet, you dope.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we used to download over the Internet back in the. In the early 90s. All throughout the 90s. And the. And the podcast technically was invented in around 2005. 4A you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, technically the technical aspect, 2000. But the.

[Adam Curry]

Throughout the 90s, you could download audio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So this is not true. Bill Simmons.

[Adam Curry]

Over the Internet. Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

So why would we change that? Maybe it'll change and just become shows. Maybe those.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe because as we stop making TV.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shows, maybe podcasts become shows and we.

[Adam Curry]

Just call everything show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the only thing I could see it now. How about we call it.

[Adam Curry]

You mean like the no Agenda show?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think we should call the Netcast. Netcast. Netcast. I like Pad Cast, though. I'm. I'm downcast.

[Adam Curry]

I'm going for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm down for Pad cast.

[Adam Curry]

We'll put that. This is show title, Pat.

[John C. Dvorak]

People will think we. We had a typo. Oh, man. You typoed podcasts.

[Adam Curry]

You put bad. That's exactly what they say in that voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, hey, I'll let you have the last clip here. You've got one of your many tiktoks to choose from.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and these aren't going away, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm gonna have to live with.

[Adam Curry]

These one of these day. Yeah, now I got the. I got. I can have the stupid Apple pay girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm interested in her.

[News Reporter]

Her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is she really stupid?

[Adam Curry]

I think this is. You know, I'd like The Trump resigning one because this is going around too well, let's. But I'm going to go with the tick tock Apple Pay girl. And now I even sent a note to Brunetti, never got an answer back of course. Is this girl acting? I don't think so. I think she's dead sincere because she's just, her tears are real. She's like, her nose is red and she's in, she's miserable. And this is why if you use.

[News Reporter]

Apple Pay, honestly, just be so careful. This is a little embarrassing to admit, but this could help one person that I'm really willing to share what my experience was. I'm just going to lay it out like this. When you use Apple Pay, that's real money. That's true American dollars from your credit card. If you, if you have your credit card connected, that's where the money is being sourced from. It's not like a special form of Apple Pay Apple Dollars. Why, why they don't just say this is real money while you're paying? I don't know. Because I thought that I had accumulated a bunch of Apple dollars to use for Apple Pay by, you know, spending so much time on my phone giving my data very freely and willingly to any place that asks like whatever they say are cookies. Okay. I say yes, yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Because I thought that's how I was.

[News Reporter]

Getting prizes, getting rewards, getting Apple dollars. So I didn't think that was real money till I check my credit card bill. I, I've been spending money like I'm a freaking millionaire. I, I got hair moves. I have straight hair. My hair doesn't even hold mousse. I call Apple to straighten things out. I look at please speak with Mr. Steve Jobs. They go, he's no longer with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is really possible. I can, I can totally see where someone thought that by giving you their in your information and all your passwords that you were getting Apple Payments, rewards, Apple Pay.

[Adam Curry]

Congratulations, total agreement with you. I think people could that because the lot. Because of all the freebies you get from playing the games. Or we'll go here and read this ad and you'll get some credits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All these, you know, bogus credits for this, that and the other thing and Apple Pay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Is that part of it? Maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did she have a nose ring?

[Adam Curry]

Blue hair? No.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a palace Free Palestine flag Flag.

[Adam Curry]

Nope. None of the above.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh.

[Adam Curry]

Well, seemed like a normal like 17 year old or 18 year old.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do Trump resigning. Because it's just now you mention it I just, I really have to hear it.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Donald Trump is going on national television tonight at 9:45pm he's either going to completely deny and try to distract the American people from the clear east.

[Adam Curry]

Emails and damage of the Epstein files that are going to come down on his head, or he's going to take.

[John C. Dvorak]

A play out of Nixon's handbook and he's going to resign and he's going to have J.D. vance issue him a pardon to protect.

[Adam Curry]

Him from any wrongdoings or criminal actions.

[John C. Dvorak]

One way, the other.

[Adam Curry]

His time as president is near.

[John C. Dvorak]

He might even try to use an excuse of his health. I need to step down because my health is failing and I'm not able to really continue on as president one.

[Adam Curry]

Way or the other.

[John C. Dvorak]

The idea of him resigning the presidency at 9:45pm tonight seems real, but considering.

[Adam Curry]

If you look at all of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Damage and things that are going on around him, the allegations, the fact that we don't even have all of the files out yet, and the petition is making its way through the House and the Senate. What do you guys think? Leave a comment. Well, I think you're an idiot. Idiot. Can I leave that comment?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you, I'm sure he got plenty of that comment. You don't have to leave that comment.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this was from yesterday, or was it?

[Adam Curry]

No, a couple days ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, you should get back on that guy's channel, you know, his Tick tock channel.

[Adam Curry]

I, I, I collect these clips for the show for the amusement. This is my man on the street kind of concept.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, oh, is that what it is, is.

[Adam Curry]

And that's what it is. So I don't, I don't want to interact any further than just playing the clip and mocking it on the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which, you know, I think somebody out there appreciates. Not everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, a, a Griffin University study has validated a long suspected reality SFVs, which is what you're looking at. Short form videos and Instagram reels are frying brains, slashing attention spans and crippling cognitive endurance. So you may want to be careful with.

[Adam Curry]

I, believe me, I'm, I'm, I can deal with, I have, I'm too old for this to happen to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[Adam Curry]

So we do have a few people to thank for donated $50 and above. And I've been making this segment part of my regime for the last 18 years. But Adam Is now doing it for the next 18 years. And he begins now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. We start with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. From Nathan Cochran, expert bass player for the band Mercy Me from Franklin, Tennessee. I would like to call out his other bandmates. I don't see them. I haven't seen them on the list as regularly as Nick. Nathan.

[Adam Curry]

Nathan is the go to guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nathan is the guy. That's right. And he's the. He's like the quietest guy, you know. He's. He's not like Shwoo Shu is the lead guitar, you know, He's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this typical lead guitar guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got Barry, you know, Barry's you know, rhythm guitar guy, you know. But Nathan guy in the back next to the drummer, like all introverted looking. He's the guy. Thank you, Nathan. We got Frank's Fab and Machine. If you're looking for a machine or a fab, go to Howell, Michigan. That's Frank's Fab and Machine. You know, I might need.

[Adam Curry]

So he's a fabricator and a machinist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, he wants some jobs. Karma. Get that to you at the end. Stephen Mann, Plymouth, Michigan. 105 35. James Shepard in Kihei, Hawaii. Kihei, I think 100 David in Calistoga, California. $100. Drug Girl, Cincinnati, Ohio. $100. And she does say, john's eating the beaver comment. Had me spitting out my water. Love your show.

[Adam Curry]

Finally, Drug girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you got the drug girls. I'm so happy for you.

[Adam Curry]

Whatever, it works. She's probably a beauty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Kojak, parts unknown. Boob donation, 8008. And Sir Kevin McLaughlin comes in with 8008. No note from him, which is strange. That was.

[Adam Curry]

He has also came in super late. He'd forgotten to do it. But he's the Archduke of Luna. Lover of American lover.

[John C. Dvorak]

He sure is. Laos Day. Dale Laosdale, Laos Day. 75 from Terry Winson, Langley, Washington. Ross Johnson, Eugene, Oregon. 73. 733 complaining. I'm Scott Simon. No agenda. Should move to Friday and Sunday scenes for the last Monday scenes for the last 12 months. The show misses breaking news by only hours.

[Adam Curry]

No, if we move it, it would be the same thing. Yeah, they're aware of the show and they break the news during the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they're aware of the show. They're aware of our calendar. So it wouldn't change anything. Russell Curry in St. Cloud, Florida. 69. 69 is his brother's. Mike. His brother Mike's birthday today. He's on the. Oh, I want to call him out as a douchebag douchebag. And he is on the list. Brian P. Bell in Asbury, New Jersey Asbury Sad Puppy Donation thank you. Then we have a long note here from Chad Hewitt. But Chad does become a knight today, so let's see what he says before the pandemic I don't think I ever listened to a podcast when the world was locking down around us. My employer was threatening to fire me and the government seemed ready to force vaccination. We searched desperately for everywhere we could to find the truth. I thank God that there was still independent voices out on the Internet and even though many seem to be getting censored hard, this is when we found the life saving communication from the High Wire with Del Bigtree, Children's health defense with RFK Jr. The FLCC, now the independent Medical alliance and the no Agenda Show. And I've not missed a show since. Heard about the show when Adam was on the Glenn Beck podcast on show 17. Yeah, Glenn Beck donation. And this is $66.40 by the way. On the show 1734 there was discussion about how AI was saying cows lay eggs. So I thought, that's funny. Maybe I should try to have AI create that picture. It actually turned out much pretty good. So after some clumsy photo editing, I decided to try to post it before the end of the show. I was frantically trying to create an account, attempting multiple times to get the right size and upload it with my daughter's help. It worked as the closing songs were playing. To my surprise, a few minutes later it was picked as the show's cover. That was a blast. It happened. After a few more times of entering show art, I got picked again for show 1739 with boxing soccer. The following show though, a real artist wrote to Adam and exposed the to trip truth that there was just A.I. crap, slop, lame, infantile and he just types things into a prompt and there it is. It's true. As an artist I'm in no no talent ass clown. My daughter, who is an actual graphics designer also disapproves of my use of AI. This note is all over the place overall.

[Adam Curry]

I'm kidding. I'm still a drunk driver.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is still three it is. Hold on a second. I got doing three things at the same time. It is still thrilling to try and come up with slop art in the short amount of time between topics to get a laugh during the next show. Thanks for the fun. Thank you both and God bless. I would like to be knighted, Sir Blue Acorn or Folsom this is Blue Acorn. And he wants. Yeah, this is Blue Acorn.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, good old Blue Acorn. That's interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He wants Dos Coyote fajitas and Red Trolley Ale at the Round Table, which I believe we have. Man, that's like all this Mexican food reminds me of the movie that I watched last night with Keanu Reeves. He has a new one out on Netflix. Hold on a second. What is it called? It's a. It's a fun little movie. It's called Good Fortune with Seth Rogen, Keanu Reeves and Aziz Ansari. It's actually quite good. It's wholesome for the whole thing. Family. Well, kind of. There's some language. So you'll be at the Round Table. Got you covered. Colin Schultz, Willow Spring, North Carolina. 6640. Sir. Kevin O', Brien, Chicago, Illinois. 6006. Small boob. Lawrence Cornell, Battle Creek, Michigan. 5678. Love that. Scott Mengle. 55, 55. Still laughing about the Florida ounces. Dean Roker comes in with 5510 double nickels on the dime. Gregory Lumen from Zimmerman, Minnesota. Sad puppy. Got me. Newsletter win. 5430 K. Von S. Katarina Van Esh. There you go. Hilversum, the Netherlands. 5272. Kent O', Rourke, Frostburg, Maryland. 5272. Probably 50 plus fees. Sarah Linkswiler, 5272. Please de douche me.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love you gentlemen. She says thank you for all you do. More Cha Ching to come. God bless and God bless you. Here the 50s. Chris Cowan from Austin, Texas. Scott Lavender from Montgomery, Texas, Texas showing up big time. Noah McDonald in Traverse City, Michigan. Andrew Goosek or Andrew Gusek in Greensboro, North Carolina. Ryan Acedo in Argyle, Texas. Terrence Boyer in Tuscola, Illinois. Michael Sykora in New Richmond, Wishconsin. And winding up our $50 donation, Sean Dempsey from Hamburg leaves me with the promise. Jobs Karma. Happy to comply.

[News Reporter]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for Jobs Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we thank these value for value supporters. Remember, this is how it works. Anytime you feel you got value from the show, you know you learned about psyops or the things that are taking place. You know, just these little tips you pick up. You feel like, oh, that was valuable to my life. Life. Turn that into a number. Send it back to us by going to noagendadonations.com. you can even set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. Or become an executive producer or an Associate executive producer. Or you can become a knight, a dame, you can get an international Peace prize. All of it is [e-mail]. Tiffany Haslay wishes her amazing boyfriend Richard Skye a happy one. It's belated. He celebrated on the 17th. Russell Curry, his brother Mike celebrates today, November 20th. And winding up our birthday list, Baroness Ladybird. Happy birthday to Sean Wester. And we say happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We got one night. We just heard from Chad, so let's get him up and get his goodies at the the Round Table. There you go. That's a very nice slide. Thank you. Ah, Chad. Artist extraordinaire. Came out of nowhere. We know him as Blue Acorn and now he shall be known as Sir Blue Acorn of Folsom. And for you, sir, we have the Round Table lined up with your request. Besides hookers and blow and rent boys and Chardonnay, Dos Coyote Fajitas and Red Truck Trolley Ale. Oh, you gotta enjoy it. If you have your fill of that, you might want to check out our beer and our blunt Ruben esque women and rose geishas and sake Baka and Vanilla Bong and Suburban sparkling cider and Escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils, Breast milk and Pablo. And as always at the Round Table, we've got a nice helping of mutton and mead. You sir, head over to noagendaring.com give us your ring size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website. Let us know where to send it. Where will add some wax to seal your important correspondence. Seeing as all the night and dame rings are signet rings and it always comes with a certificate of authenticity so that you know it is an official no agenda night ring. And thank you very much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Yeah baby. Always a party, always a party here at the no agenda show. Especially at those meetups where people go hang out with each other who listen to the show. Heard you heard her whole report. John has talked about the most recent meetup. It doesn't always have to include us. Our heads are usually there on sticks, which is a fun little accoutrement. But if you go to noagendameetups.com you can find all the places where you can hang out with people who listen to the show. These are the connections that will bring you protection. And of course they're your first responders in an actual emergency. Let's listen to the report we got from Fort Wayne, Indiana. Adam and John Shannon coming to you from Fort Wayne? Had a pretty good meetup and our hostess was friendly, but she just checked out of her shift.

[Adam Curry]

Always a good time. Nice seeing everybody. Jared from Coolax. Man, I seen that bird. This is Mike in Fort Wayne. I checked everyone's browser history.

[John C. Dvorak]

We were good, but we need a stop sign.

[Adam Curry]

Hi, it's Shelly from Fort Wayne. Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Adam, by the way, I want to pre order some of those no Agenda custom high end boots. What are they? What's it going to be? Price? 333 bucks a pair. Sign me up.

[Adam Curry]

See you next month. Adios.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Yeah, the boots are coming boots and the sneakers. Valuetainment here on the best podcast in the universe. We have a meetup taking place today in Charlotte, North Carolina. They do it every single thirsty third Thursday. It's a monthly meetup. Seven o'.

[Adam Curry]

Clock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never get a report from them. Sir Kevin Dill. Send one please. It's at Ed's Tavern on some Saturday. The flight of the no agenda number 69. It's a big one for Leo Bravo 11 in the morning at Marina Cafe in Wilmington, California. Saturday we have the it's like a party potluck that is at noon in Burlington, Kentucky. It's meeting room B, the upper floor of the Boone County Public Library. And you must RSVP for this and yeah, let us know how that goes. That's an interesting location. And then finally, our next show day, Sunday the 23rd. The East Texas Friendsgiving Social 433 Rotolo's Pizzeria in Longview, Texas. Dirty Jersey Whore is organizing that, so it's always guaranteed to be a party. Find more information on these meetups taking place this month or more internationally I might add, in the coming months. Go tonoagenAmeetups.com. if you can't find one near you, organize one yourself. Put it on no Agenda Meetups.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have a feeling I'm gonna miss the. I'm not gonna make the ISO. You've got three of them. And did you hear, by the way, that 11 Labs is now licensing actors voices?

[Adam Curry]

No, but it makes sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, let me see. I think I had a clip on it.

[Adam Curry]

I can't seem to get any. I mean, of course I'm trying to hang in there with a free account.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, listen to this.

[News Reporter]

Legendary actor Michael Caine has licensed his unmistakable voice to New York based AI company 11 Lab Collabs.

[Adam Curry]

All right, all right, all right.

[News Reporter]

Another Hollywood star has also signed a deal with them.

[Adam Curry]

A good man stands for certain ideals.

[News Reporter]

Matthew McConaughey is allowing the company to translate his newsletter in Spanish using his voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hola, Feliz. The actor doesn't sound like him at all.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't sound like him at all.

[News Reporter]

Oven Labs, which is valued at $6.6 billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

$6.6 billion. They should give you a free account.

[Adam Curry]

You know, in the olden days when I was famous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Back in those days, I would have.

[Adam Curry]

Gotten free accounts, no problem. And, you know, in a blow job, all. All combined. But that doesn't happen anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

I used to get free entrance with a gold card to the Hard Rock Cafe, but no blowjobs.

[News Reporter]

$6 billion. It has a catalog of voices from late and famous film figures like Maya Angelou, John Wayne, and Judy Garland. At that moment, Dorothy saw lying on the table. The licensing deals are stirring up debate about the role of AI in entertainment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, blah, blah, blah. So I go to 11 labs. Unlike you, I have a paid account.

[Adam Curry]

Give me the password.

[John C. Dvorak]

No way.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you cheap bastard.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're just a gem today. And so I'm mean to you, but you can call me a cheap bastard when you know that nothing is further from the truth. In fact, I am. I am the. The epitome of kindness. And. And.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then what's the deal?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the problem is. So I wanted to get Michael Caine doing a no agenda, end of show ISO.

[Adam Curry]

Right? Because then you could kick my ass. Ass in this deal because I'm going for the free voice. Yeah, you're just trying to beat me.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. And so you click on the voice, like, you got to give them your name, send them a message. You know, they're gonna, what do you want to use it for?

[Adam Curry]

And then they're gonna tell you how that stinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's total stinkville. It's no good. It's gonna be really expensive. I'm not interested in that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's. It's just a bait and switch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I felt that way. Yes. Anyway, here are my. By the way, we have John's tip of the day coming and some dynamite AI Slop. Not all slop.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, if you remember, this will be a joint tip of the day. This cracks me up. You always forget these things.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't wait. I can't. Don't, don't, don't. Don't blow it.

[Adam Curry]

No. When I tip you off about you. Oh, geez, I forgot about this. Okay, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here are my end of show isos.

[Guest Expert]

I don't know what they're talking About.

[John C. Dvorak]

About. It's not bad, right?

[Adam Curry]

No, that's good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got another one.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa.

[Tech Expert]

That's happening.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then I. I went to the. Well.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't see that every day. Yeah, but you don't see this. We're podcasts. We don't. You don't see anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, please. Okay, what do you have from the slop machine?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, I have a real one. Bye.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bye.

[News Reporter]

Bye.

[Adam Curry]

Always a winner. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You've used that then.

[Adam Curry]

We have. Let's go with nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

If you did not like this, then you are nuts. That's pretty. That's pretty good. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, then go with awards.

[News Reporter]

This podcast should be winning all the awards.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's obvious that's the one we're gonna use, because it's true. We should be winning the awards. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and. And sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I cannot wait. It's a joint tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll trigger the joint tip by just saying to you. Hey, you bought a new tv, didn't you?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I bought a new tv. There's nothing on. Yes, this was a Costco. We were at Costco. Our TV is 12 years old. It came with the house. And. And we've been saying to each other for weeks now, like, you know, we should really get a new TV, because we can get. We had a 56 inch. We could. We could go up a size 65. And it's uncanny, because once I hung that sucker up for like, a week, there was nothing worth watching at all. At all.

[Adam Curry]

We're talking about tv. You're not content.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, exactly. So. So the tip is if you go to Costco, and we went to the Costco in San Antonio, where I'm sure. I'm so sure that I paid.

[Adam Curry]

You don't need to just get this brand at Costco. But.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, I'm sure that I paid 125 for my hot dog and drink, but I guess it was 150. And this is an OLED O L E D from LG. Now they have two. They have one with the S. The A9i processor, which is some AI nonsense. You want the 8. The 8. And you just look at all the TVs there, and this thing just blows. I mean, blows them all away. The viewing angle. There's no. As you said, there's no viewing angle.

[Adam Curry]

There's no viewing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can. You can watch it from anywhere. Now, it's not cheap because, you know, most those TVs around 500 bucks. And this was.

[Adam Curry]

I've seen them for like some of these off brands for like 349.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that's what I was going for.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but this.

[Adam Curry]

You made the right decision.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you see this tv, I'll just call it a screen. You shouldn't even call it a TV, just call it a screen. 999, man.

[Adam Curry]

Which was a steal, in my opinion. They're normally about 1400 bucks, but this, we're talking about the LG. By the way, do you know what LG stands for? This is why they never use the real name. The most Asian name of any company that sells anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Best price.

[Adam Curry]

Lucky Gold star. No. Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lucky Gold Star.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That's the name of lg. That's what LG means.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't know that. The more you know, the more you know.

[Adam Curry]

So I have been an advocate of these OLEDs from LG specifically because ones who specialize in them, everybody else, you know, people make them. And there's a thing called a qled, which is just trying to get off the name. It's not L O L E D at all. It's just a phony. It's really nice set. Those are from Samsung. But I would say if you're going to buy a new television, it's more expensive by a factor of at least two. But the quality of an OLED and the lightness. The thing doesn't weigh anything. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I took that old Sony off the wall, almost broke my back. That thing was so heavy. And this. You can lift it up with one hand.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can lift it with one hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's super thin. And the. The luminance that comes off of it. I mean. And you have all these. Brunetti will like this. You have a creator mode. So it can automatically start up with the. With all the settings that the filmmaker intended it to.

[Adam Curry]

To be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I immediately shut off. Shut it off. Like. No, I want it.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then you're sitting there like your eyes are burning from this oled. So then you have a reduced blue light. Okay, I'll reduce that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you can definitely do that. Yeah, yeah. But there's a lot of settings. You can get it so you're comfortable with what it looks like because it has a huge. It has a bigger color gamut. It has hdr. That is dynamite. Which is a high dynamic range. So. So it's. The blacks are black and the whites are white. Yeah, it is the OLED from lg. If you're Going to buy a new tv. Just bite the bullet and get one of these. These things are fan fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the only thing I'll say is I guess we've Never really had HDR and 4K because, you know, never really cared about it. Now I watch movies. It's like Tina keeps saying, it's like it's live, you know, because it's so. I mean, you really see things that you never saw before. And I know I'm late to this party.

[Adam Curry]

Like duh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, Boomer, where you been?

[Adam Curry]

I get it right. You get finally get sell your tube TV.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only I warm that thing up for 15 minutes before I hit the other bottom button. Remember we had that when back in the day you had color TVs and.

[Adam Curry]

They had to hit warm up. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Buttons. You had to warm it up.

[Adam Curry]

And then I never had two buttons on the ones we had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I remember.

[Adam Curry]

And if US of a. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if you hit the wrong button, then it would go on right away. And my dad. But you didn't warm it up. It's going to reduce the life of this thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's good. It's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only other thing I really dislike about it is when you grab the remote control, like a mouse pointer shows up on the tv.

[Adam Curry]

I actually like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hate, hate that thing. I just want to use my rocker. You know, the little rocker.

[Adam Curry]

If you. If you didn't jerk it so hard. It's got a. It's got to grab one of these. One of these what they're called gyroscope chips. So if you. If you grab it gently and hold it doesn't bring the cursor up. If you shake it, the cursor shows up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't.

[Adam Curry]

What you're doing is grabbing it like a madman.

[John C. Dvorak]

Grab it gently and just move it around gently. And there it is. A double tip of the day. Get them [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, people are already saying in the troll. What do you mean no viewing angle. Trust me, there's no place you can sit that you don't see a perfect screen. It's unbelievable. These things. Really unbelievable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's no like optimal place.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there really.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I gotta be in the middle so I can actually see the image.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got MVP with an end of show slop starting it all off. Remember Gitmojams.com where you can hear all the end of show mixes and slop 24 hours a day. Oyster with a non slop homemade. Diddy Then we've got David Denton coming in with two songs, biographical one about me, and then definitely our musical closer. Big finishing number about your second host on the no Agenda show, John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

All fictional.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all. Yeah, it's. It's like from a bad wiki page. We got random thoughts coming up next on no Agenda stream. So stay tuned for that and we'll be back on Sunday to bring you more media deconstruction. I'm sure we'll hear something about the Epstein files after they scrub them. Remember us atnoen Agenda donations dot com. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll see you on Thursday. Take care. Remember, we are do not conform to the ways of the world. We do this as a public service. Adios mo fos a hooey. Hooey and such. The Gen Z discourse high Adam got a twinkle in his deconstructor's eye about a certain banner, a treasure to see. A pirate flag for his collection. You see, it's got the jolly robber skull and that's. But that's not all this sports a little pirate has. Where can I get one? He asked with a plea. I need that flag right here with me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the jolly rotors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Draw that flag. Let the wind make it snap. Go to Fredericksburg, home on the treasure map. Adam wants the freeze cuff. He's got the mask. This flag pole duel is moving fast. JCD chimed in, well, I need one too.

[Adam Curry]

I'll fly it proudly just like you do. No flag pole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Standing tall in Berkeley said so.

[Guest Expert]

I don't know about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right back to ACD was cunning. He played a slick hand to get the free loots. And from the fans across the land, all the pirates draw that flag. Let the wind make it snap. A Fredericksburg shanty on the treasure map, one wants a free stuff, the others got the mast. This flagpole duel is moving fast.

[Adam Curry]

They argue, you up the ante.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a giveaway heist. You'll get the flag and I'll be put on. I'm the one who solicits all the bounty and grace.

[Adam Curry]

You're getting the clue.

[John C. Dvorak]

10 points for the race.

[Adam Curry]

I can't top that chest. Wait, a flagpole.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have one.

[Adam Curry]

I protest. No, I don't have a flagpole.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's so funny about that? Sure, I'm not wearing a Gen Z hat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a Cracker.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got my cracker. I got my flashlight. I got my wind up radio. Yeah, I'm ready for the drone war. I mean, how stupid are people? I got a flashlight, a water bottle and some crackers and then a flashlight. A stupid flashlight from the Danish government for the money that they spent on a flashlight. A Danish flashlight. I have a flashlight. Then the aliens in Veda have a flashlight. A Danish flashlight so I can blind them in the eye and send the Morse in the sky with my flashlight. My Danish flashlight, a water bottle and some crackers and a wind radio so I can listen to the news in mono with my lit flashlight. I love the government. They are so nice. Adam Curry.

[Adam Curry]

Adam Curry, XBJ Internet entrepreneur, one of the first of its kind. Podcast pioneer. There's no pop father without him here. Yeah, Adam Curry, he created the space.

[John C. Dvorak]

2004, really changed the whole game.

[Adam Curry]

Brought people closer than they were before. Gave the indie scene a platform to grow. 2005 podcasts thrive. Built in communities with people worldwide.

[John C. Dvorak]

New form of media with a small.

[Adam Curry]

Budget, but it can reach the mass.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I love.

[Adam Curry]

There's so many different genres, so many styles. It's really so wild. You can have a good time on your daily drive, on a plane, on a train. Adam Curry, thank you for making this change. Let's go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once upon a time, in a San Francisco fog, John C. Deverack was born the son of an engineer. He grew up on a farm. The son of a Slovenian mother. He was raised in Berkeley, California. But he didn't care. He became a chemistry major at the University of California, took a temporary job, a computer manual writer. He started a new magazine and became an editor. And a calmness and a potato. And now he spends all his time on the no, I dare show the no, I did not show the no.

[News Reporter]

I did not show.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best podcast in the universe. Adios, mofo.

[News Reporter]

Dvorak.org na this podcast should be winning all the awards.