B (1:42)

But you're so out of format. This is not what we do every year. What do we do every single Thanksgiving? And this is almost like the night before Christmas Book.

A (1:54)

You're talking about the long story about what Thanksgiving really is.

B (1:58)

You need to tell us the. The actual story of Thanksgiving because I.

A (2:03)

Do this every year. I used to put it in the newsletter. I gave up.

B (2:07)

Why it's so beautiful. I actually went and looked up your previous. Your previous thing because you have done this since 2005 in print.

A (2:19)

Yeah, I know. It's getting. Yeah.

B (2:21)

And I, And I loved. Because I did a search like, oh, let me go.

A (2:24)

Let me get the format.

B (2:25)

Format Thanksgiving form. You're like, oh, let's go down with this ship. No, hold on a second. No.

A (2:32)

By the way, I want to mention that the, the idea that we do work on this Thanksgiving, we've only. We did miss one. But generally speak but we're not. Like these people are all bailed out. It's unbelievable.

C (2:45)

Yeah.

B (2:45)

Like they don't care about their audience, man.

A (2:47)

Well, it's not even. Even that is there is stuff happening.

B (2:50)

Well, yeah, well, there's a lot happening. But wait, before you go into different.

A (2:54)

Directions, I'm trying to get off this track.

B (2:57)

Obviously it's not going to happen. So I went, I found. I did a search. The first hit was Dvorak.org blog this is great. And the first hit was a repost of your 2005 post.

A (3:12)

Yeah, all these are reposts.

B (3:15)

It is, it is. And I love how it starts off. I'm always amused by the Cock and bull story about Thanksgiving being about pilgrims, maize, turkeys and Indians, when the holiday stems from an Abe Lincoln proclamation at the behest of a magazine editor. And then you go into this. But what I didn't realize. The comments are great. Have you ever looked at these comments from.

A (3:40)

Not for years.

B (3:43)

Like, shut up, you old crank. Eat your turkey, you ingrate.

A (3:48)

Ingrate. Oh, that's a good one.

B (3:50)

I like that one. What? Thanksgiving didn't start with the pilgrims. Next you'll be telling us George Washington didn't chop down a cherry tree and Betsy Ross did not sew the first American flag. There's a lot of hate here. And I realize that somehow you say these horrible things and you're able to deflect it to me. It's like I become your lightning rod.

A (4:14)

You haven't been catching the flak for the. Thanks for the truth. The truth about Thanksgiving.

B (4:22)

The truth.

A (4:23)

The truth. The cock and bull story. Who needs it? I noticed it's been. They've downplaying it. And I've heard on a couple of shows over the last couple of days where people do refer to the Lincoln Proclamation. They don't mention that it was at the behest of a magazine editor, but they do mention it, which they've never done before.

B (4:45)

What's interesting is I looked up Lincoln's proclamation. I'm not going to read it. It's very long. But what I found interesting this year is that he basically copied large swaths of the Bible, Deuteronomy, Psalms. I mean, it's. And he did this, what, like in the middle of the Civil War, I think.

A (5:08)

No, it was right after the Civil War. This was a Thanksgiving for the. This was immediately after the Civil War.

B (5:15)

Oh, so it was. Isn't that, what, right around the Gettysburg Address then?

A (5:19)

No, no, no, no.

B (5:20)

I think he did this one week after The Gettysburg Address.

A (5:23)

Well, I don't. Well, we'd have to do. You got your little robot right there.

B (5:27)

Hold on, let me talk to the robot. I see error. When did President Lincoln give the Thanksgiving Proclamation?

D (5:40)

President Lincoln gave his Thanksgiving proclamation on October 3, 1863. Would you like to know more about it?

B (5:47)

Yeah. Was the Civil War. Civil War over?

D (5:53)

No, the Civil War was still raging when Lincoln gave his Thanksgiving proposition in 1863. It actually lasted another two years. Is there anything specific about the proclamation?

A (6:05)

Okay, well, then it would be closer to the Gettysburg Address.

B (6:08)

Yeah, so. And he was telling us to thank God. That's what he was telling us. And it wasn't for the dead soldiers like you keep writing and saying, because I looked it all up. It was to thank God that he has mercy on us, even though we don't deserve it. That. There you go. There's your 300 words abbreviated. And that's. Somehow that turned into this crazy turkey pardoning stuff, which I also had to look up.

A (6:39)

Kennedy's the one who started that one. I do know that.

B (6:41)

Ah, no, I don't think so.

A (6:45)

Well, let's ask the robot.

B (6:46)

We don't know. Let's listen to a report.

A (6:48)

Gobble. I just want to tell you, it is very important. You are hereby unconditionally partnered with an audience.

D (6:57)

Looking on. President Trump granted a full and complete pardon to a 52 pound turkey named Gobble, part of an annual White House holiday tradition.

A (7:06)

On behalf of the first lady and.

E (7:07)

The entire Trump family, I want to.

A (7:09)

Wish all Americans a very, very happy Thanksgiving. It's a great time of the year.

D (7:14)

His friend Waddle was also spared. He stopped by the White House briefing room earlier in the day. Wanna give us a gobble? President Harry Truman was the first to be presented with the turkey by the National Turkey Federation ahead of Thanksgiving. But the more modern presidential pardon dates back to George H.W. bush.

A (7:35)

This will be our 78th presentation here.

D (7:38)

And it's just a true honor for.

B (7:40)

The US Turkey industry anyway, blah, blah, blah. So I looked it up. So Truman started this, but it wasn't, you know, I'm like, why do we pardon a turkey? I mean, I really would listen.

A (7:50)

This dumb.

B (7:50)

Yeah, it is. So Truman was trying to conserve grain for foreign aid to Europe after the Second World War. This is just what I found. So I believe this to be true.

A (8:00)

So he pardoned the turkey so they could eat the grain?

B (8:02)

No. His administration promoted meatless Tuesdays and poultryless Thursdays. This enraged the people.

A (8:11)

Were eating that much poultry.

B (8:13)

What I'm Just reading it. This enraged the poultry industry and you'll notice that it's always the poultry union or whatever who select the turkey.

A (8:24)

So before you continue, you had, you have. You've got Truman documented. I've heard about Kennedy. And then they, in the report you played, it was George H.W.

B (8:34)

Bush said Truman first. She said Truman first.

A (8:37)

Did she say Truman? Yeah, I thought she said it. George H.W. bush.

D (8:45)

President Harry Truman was the first to be presented with.

A (8:48)

Okay, wait, Truman let it play.

B (8:51)

It's boring.

D (8:52)

After that turkey by the National Turkey Federation ahead of Thanksgiving.

B (8:55)

The national turkey.

D (8:56)

But the more modern presidential party dates Back to George H.W. bush.

B (9:00)

Yeah.

A (9:00)

So there you go.

B (9:01)

But there's a reason, actually, it was Reagan before that. This was always used for political reasons. So what. What happened with Truman is the National Turkey Federation were mad that he had said, hey, we don't eat any poultry on Thursday. And so in order to make it up to them, they. They sent crates of. Well, they sent crates of. First they sent crates of live chickens to the White House in protest. And that's how this presentation started. Then it was Reagan. It was just looking at the turkey. There was no pardoning of the turkey. That'd just be out there out front of the White House going, oh, yeah, how about that turkey? Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. And I tried to get the audio, but it was really too. That wasn't good enough. A reporter yelled a question, Mr. President, are you going to pardon Oliver north and John Poindexter? And he says, no, I'd probably pardon this turkey before I did that for sure. Or something to that effect. You can't really hear it. And that's kind of where the pardon came from. And now it's just become this Turkey Federation fest. Basically, it's a lobbying exercise for the Turkey Federation. Why else would we do it? It makes no sense. It's fun to look at the turkeys, I guess.

A (10:26)

Well, when you have a 50 pounder.

B (10:28)

Well, those. That's beautiful turkeys.

A (10:31)

So I'm going to read from the grok or. No, this is from OpenAI. President John F. Kennedy was the first US President on record to informally spare a Thanksgiving turkey in 1963 through a formal tradition of a presidential pardon was not established until 1989. That would be the George H.W. bush during a Rose Garden ceremony on November 19, 1983, just three days before his assassination. This is why they killed him. Oh, Kennedy was presented.

B (11:03)

Now we know the turkey people killed him.

A (11:06)

And by the way, this is interesting because Trump went on and on about this 50 pound turkey.

B (11:11)

Gobble, gobble.

A (11:12)

Kennedy was presented with a 55 pound turkey.

B (11:16)

Oh, no.

A (11:17)

From the National Turkey Federation. So. And the turkey had a sign on his neck that said, good eating. Mr. This is.

B (11:28)

It's just, it's just the best lobbying organization in the business. They every single year they get to present their beautiful birds. Everyone's all hungry. Oh, yeah, I need a turkey. Because it makes no sense.

A (11:40)

Well, the whole thing is stupid.

B (11:42)

Yes, yes.

A (11:44)

But I think it was great that they brought this one bird into the press room.

B (11:49)

Yeah. Next to the. Next to the other turkey.

A (11:51)

Turkeys. Yeah.

B (11:52)

Next to her kid. What's her name?

A (11:55)

That was. What's his name? That's the kid of the press secretary.

B (12:00)

Yeah.

A (12:01)

So that. Yes, the whole thing is ludicrous.

B (12:04)

All right, so now, before you jump into the going down with the ship, I learned something important that, that you actually called me out on. I want to make sure that we just are aware of this before we get underway.

A (12:16)

Oh, that's interesting you'd say that because I have a. I put aside a call out for you for something you did or said that was so on the money it's ridiculous and I've already forgotten what it is. Well, I'll have to think it'll come up. You watch. This will come up during the three hours.

B (12:34)

So this is from the anonymous TSA agent and he says on episode 1819, he made an offhanded comment about Marjorie Taylor Greene and something the tune of, well, we all know the news of her resignation. And he says, I want you to know that I am one of, in my opinion, a not insignificant portion of the producer base who look to know agenda as our primary and near sole source of national and international news and analysis. That isn't because we're too lazy to watch the news. It's because your show over the course of the last 18 eight years has infected my mind. Good. And show me that the M5 infected. Infected. My mind infected. And show me that the M5M is nothing. Is full of nothing but lying, two faced, terrible people who will make you believe the sky is red if it gave them an extra penny on their paycheck that week. And I was thinking about it. Yeah, that's probably true. And I personally need to be more aware of that because we're wrapped up in it. This is what we do. We're watching everything. We're watching the podcast Circularity. Everybody going on each other's podcast, talking about their podcasts and that podcast work. When I interviewed that podcaster on this podcast over there and debated that podcaster. And, and how many people are really on x 60 million. How many in America. You know, there's a good chance that 90% of America just wants to have a nice job, just wants to come home, have a beer, watch some Netflix and maybe catch the no Agenda show to hear what's going on.

A (14:18)

Maybe, maybe not. I think the 90% don't even care that much. The people that listen to no Agenda tend to at least have some desire to be up on current events.

B (14:30)

Yes, well.

A (14:31)

And yes, not everybody is. All you have to do is watch a Jesse Waters show when Johnny goes out and talks to the public at large.

B (14:39)

Exactly.

A (14:40)

You can see there's the real public.

B (14:42)

Yeah, exactly. So it kind of made me chuckle that all these people are so up in arms about America first gop. Like that really doesn't matter at all. To most people. To most people. So yeah, use us as your primary source for news and deconstruction.

A (15:06)

News and blues.

B (15:09)

News and blues, everybody. So I think you are correct. Before you get into your clips here, the Seditious six, which I think is a good label for them. This is the setup. This is the impeachment team at work. Because this was all about the drug boats as far as I could tell.

A (15:38)

I'm not so sure it was. I think it was a publicity. And I. By, by the way, and nobody has said this, I'm going to be the only one that says this because I believe that Schumer is more powerful than people think. He's not. He's not a dumb crap dumb a hole the way everyone sees him. And he's behind this. And one of the reasons I think he's behind is the people that are in this, which includes senators and congressmen. Usually they don't mix. But luckily Jeffries is a Schumer acolyte and he's like, let them go ahead and put the congressman in there with him. The phrase don't give up the ship is a Schumerism. It's the kind of stupid thing he'd say. It makes no sense.

B (16:23)

It's like a super boomer term.

A (16:26)

It's totally. And you can just. And he's got his. He's been doing these publicity stunts for the last number of years and they always, you know, the dancing congress people. The people, you know, all this crazy stuff that he dreams up is dumb. And he came up with this scheme and he also brought some other people on to back him up. There's another clip Floating around of a bunch of servicemen saying, yeah, they're right, and Trump's a bad guy for saying he wants to kill him when Trump never said that.

B (16:58)

But okay, but that's, I mean, even Trump knew that, that that's what they would take away from it.

A (17:05)

No, they're both playing the game.

B (17:07)

Yeah, obviously.

A (17:08)

But it's Schumer and I have a three by three, which is the clips of the, of what's going on, which because what's happened was the Trump trying to. The three by three.

B (17:23)

Let's play the jingle first time. Come on. Hand on the button the whole time.

A (17:28)

Experiment ready to go.

B (17:31)

Comparing stories from ABC, C. The never ending 3x3.

A (17:38)

All right, this is a curveball. And start with not the abc, NBC, cbs, but play the NPR summary, which is a little more or a little less slanted. It's still slanted in their way.

B (17:54)

Breaking formats. The three by three. We're going to start with number four. Yeah, you're killing, you're killing me. Smalls.

A (18:01)

Six Democrats in Congress say they're being investigated by the FBI after they made.

C (18:06)

A video telling members of the military.

A (18:08)

That they can refuse illegal orders. President Trump called the message seditious behavior punishable by death.

C (18:14)

NPR's Sam Greenglass has more.

A (18:16)

The White House later said the president was not suggesting the six Democrats be killed, but the Trump administration has taken.

D (18:23)

Steps to potentially punish the group.

A (18:26)

The Pentagon launched an investigation into Arizona Senator Mark Kelly.

F (18:30)

And now all six say the FBI has requested interviews.

A (18:34)

Senator Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan told reporters.

D (18:37)

On 2 Tuesday that Trump is attempting.

A (18:39)

To stifle criticism, including over the president's moves to strike alleged drug boats and dispatch troops in US Cities.

D (18:47)

This is a scare tactic by him. He is attempting to use the FBI to scare us out of continuing to talk.

A (18:56)

The FBI and the Justice Department declined to comment.

B (18:59)

My free speech. My free speech. I should be able to talk.

A (19:05)

So that was a fairly innocuous report. It had them quoted. There was no other side of it. But Slotkin and Kelly in particular is a strong Schumer supporter.

B (19:19)

Oh, is that so? I did not know that.

A (19:21)

Yeah, he voted against. This is a military guy. Voted against during the shutdown at the behest of Schumer. Voted against funding the military during the shutdown. This is how, how pro military this guy is?

B (19:37)

Well, I mean, he's an astronaut. Yeah. So we know he's a liar. You know, he's up there in the lab. You know, they got the belts on with the wires floating around.

A (19:50)

So we have the now the three by three, they're all bad. And I, I wanted, because I have a follow up clip to the whole thing which is the bonus clip, which I had to, I was thinking about the three by three. Oh, God, I got to play this. At least have some balance here because they wouldn't balance, they wouldn't bal balance these reports. So let's just start from do it alphabetically and go with abc.

B (20:12)

ABC is up first this evening.

C (20:14)

The FBI is now requesting interviews with six Democratic lawmakers who told military members in those videos that they do not have to.

B (20:21)

Is this like a podcast interview or the FBI wants you to come on their podcast this evening.

C (20:27)

The FBI is now requesting interviews with six Democratic lawmakers who told military members in those videos that they do not have to follow illegal orders. President Trump accusing the lawmakers of seditious behavior punishable by death. Well, now the FBI is moving in on this. And the Pentagon is threatening to court martial Senator and retired astronaut Mark Kelly. Here's Rachel Scott tonight.

D (20:48)

Tonight, the FBI wants to talk to the six Democratic lawmakers who President Trump accused of seditious behavior punishable by death for recording this message to the military.

A (20:57)

I was a captain in the United.

B (20:58)

States Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy.

D (21:01)

Telling service members they should not follow illegal orders.

A (21:04)

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

D (21:08)

Tonight, the FBI has requested interviews with all six lawmakers, including New Hampshire Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander, who served as an intelligence officer in the Navy Reserve. I will not be intimidated. I will not be harassed. I will continue to do my job.

A (21:22)

And uphold my oath.

D (21:24)

It comes as the Pentagon threatens to court martial Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, a retired Navy captain who flew 39 combat missions in Iraq before going on to become an astronaut. Today, Defense Secretary Pete Hegsev called the video a quote, politically motivated influence operation. Senator Kelly explaining why the lawmakers used the words they did.

A (21:44)

We basically repeated the Uniform Code of Military justice, and they're saying that's in.

C (21:48)

Violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

A (21:52)

It's absurd.

D (21:54)

The defense secretary continues to attack Senator Mark Kelly now sending a letter to the Secretary of the Navy asking for a review of his comments for potentially unlawful conduct, saying he wants to be briefed on the matter no later than December 10th. David?

B (22:07)

No, after the Thanksgiving Day holiday and a couple. Hey, by the way, are you guys celebrating Thanksgiving today or in December?

A (22:17)

Come on, we have a dinner today, but Thanksgiving either be tomorrow or Saturday.

B (22:22)

Okay. Why do it on the day?

A (22:25)

Why? It doesn't make sense.

B (22:26)

No, it makes no sense.

A (22:28)

So okay, let's just alphabetical order. CBS. This 90 second long video, threats to.

F (22:37)

Our consequences aren't just coming from abroad.

A (22:39)

Has ignited a week of controversy and now an inquiry by the FBI into the six Democratic members of Congress who recorded it and who urged service members not to follow unlawful orders, who must refuse illegal orders. All six are veterans of the military or the intelligence community, CBS News has learned. The FBI told congressional leaders Monday that the bureau wants to speak with each of them. Michigan Senator Alyssa Slotkin is one.

D (23:03)

The president's reaction and the use of the FBI against us is exactly why we made the video. He believes in using the federal government against his perceived adversaries and he's not afraid to use the arms of the government against people he disagrees with.

A (23:23)

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth launched a separate probe of Senator Mark Kelly, a retired Navy captain, accusing Kelly of misconduct and threatening him with a court martial. I'm not going to be silenced.

C (23:33)

I'm not going to be intimidated.

A (23:34)

Last week, President Trump accused the Democrats of seditious behavior punishable by death. Each of the six say they've since been menaced by death threats. That's not true.

B (23:43)

Colorado Democrats say what?

A (23:46)

He didn't accuse anybody.

B (23:48)

Who? Trump?

A (23:50)

No. He just said sedition is, you know, whatever punishable by death. He didn't say this guy did it. Accusing Kelly of misconduct and threatening him.

B (23:58)

With a court burial.

A (23:59)

I'm not going to be silenced.

C (24:00)

I'm not going to be intimidated.

A (24:01)

Last week, President Trump accused the Democrats of seditious behavior punishable by death. Each of the six say they've since been menaced by death threats. Colorado Democrat Jason Crow released some audio of the calls. You deserve to die.

B (24:15)

I hope you all get murdered.

A (24:17)

White House press secretary Caroline Levitt said the Democrats who recorded the video need to be held accountable.

D (24:23)

You can't have a functioning military if there is disorder and chaos within the ranks.

A (24:28)

Just because there's an inquiry doesn't mean somebody's the target of a criminal investigation. And these members of Congress have a number of defenses. The literal truth. Military service members are to disregard unlawful orders and they have First Amendment rights on steroids. They have a speech and debate clause protecting their speech union uniquely. But John and Maurice, just the inquiry itself has a cost, financial, time and energy for these six Democrats.

B (24:53)

No.

A (24:55)

So there was a lie in there about Trump and there was also a lie at the end because they do have the special speech exemption on the floor of the Congress.

B (25:04)

Yep. They do.

A (25:05)

Not while you're floating around.

B (25:07)

Not on a video that you did in your studio. Yeah, that's true.

A (25:12)

So that was really poor cbs. This is. Where's Barry Weiss, by the way? We're never going to let this up.

B (25:19)

Where's Barry? Barry, what you're doing. Barry Weiss. Get, get on the, get on the ball, girl.

A (25:24)

Barry Weiss. Why isn't she putting her, you know, impromatur on this thing? Okay, let's go to the NBC.

D (25:32)

Tonight, an escalating clash between the president and Democrats over rules governing military order. The FBI is seeking interviews with these six lawmakers according to a person familiar with plans. And those Democrats pushed back. President Trump is using the FBI as a tool to intimidate and harass members of Congress.

A (25:55)

You can refuse illegal orders.

D (25:58)

The video to troops by Democrats with military and intel experience did not identify any specific orders. The White House says it undercuts the commander in chief. They can't identify illegal orders because there are no illegal orders. Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, a retired Navy combat pilot, responding.

A (26:18)

Rachel, I'm not going to be silenced.

C (26:19)

I'm not going to be intimidated.

D (26:21)

Separately, partisanship made its way into a typically politics free tradition.

A (26:26)

Gobble and waddle the turkey. Pardon.

D (26:29)

The president again pressuring Democratic leadership over crime in Illinois.

A (26:34)

We've been moving toward Chicago.

B (26:38)

Oh, I love, I love the nat part.

A (26:39)

Pop.

B (26:40)

Gobble and waddle. That's perfect.

A (26:43)

So, so these reports were slanted very slightly without just even disregarding the lies that are in the CBS report. But there was no balance at all whatsoever. It was all these, you know, this, using the FBI as a bludgeon. So, so to, to balance it, I found a guy that, and I did some research on him, this Buzz Patterson character who was in the Clinton administration. And he was a military guy with high, he's very highly regarded, did a couple of books. He was in the Clinton administration even though he turned into a Republican afterwards. He may have been all the time. So I just checked him out, so he's legit. So this would have been a nice guy to put in there as a balancing point. So.

B (27:41)

Excuse me, can I get Barry Weiss on the line? John C. Dvorak wants to head up.

A (27:45)

The news desk so anybody could figure this out. You could get somebody to say they won't do it. They would never put something like this on. This is no Fox does. They bring all these military guys on and say, yeah, those guys are doofuses and dumb. They were stupid. That was. And they go on and on. But this guy, this was posted on his Twitter account by him and I thought it would have been a good to balance your coverage a little bit. You'd have something like this. Hey, everybody, this is Buzz Patterson. I'm a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, retired Air Force pilot, combat veteran. And at one time I was the military aide to President Bill Clinton and carried the nuclear football and actually lived in the White House house around. I was actually during my military service deployed to 70 countries and fought in three wars.

B (28:38)

These are her. His bona fides. Bona fides.

A (28:41)

So I feel like I've got a dog in this hunt. I am very appalled at what this addition6 has done with their video. I think it's a violation of their oaths of office, especially in the case of Senator Mark Kelly. I believe it's a violation of the ucmj and I hope that President Trump and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth hold them accountable. They are violating and they are politically using their positions to undercut the command of President Donald J. Trump. And they're circumventing the chain of command. Congress and members of Senate are not in the chain of command. President Trump is, however, as our commander in chief. So I fully support going forward with whatever prosecutions are warranted and legitimate. And I think they are on these individuals. They use their positions, military and in the intelligence community to expose, I think, and put at risk those of us who serve in uniform. I think that what's going to happen is because they violated the military chain of command, people are going to die. They undercut the underpinnings of the military, which is good order and faith and trust in their leadership. In my estimation, what they did was treasonous and seditionist and I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent.

B (30:03)

Okay, so before I give you some analysis that I have, I really thought this was mainly about the, the ships, the drug boats that they're blowing out of the water. What did you think it was about?

A (30:20)

I don't think it was. I, I can't say that I know what it was about or why it was done. I mean, it was one of the good because Schumer does these things out of the blue. But if you wanted to take the position that it was about the drug boats, because it's sketchy, I don't think there's any doubt about that.

B (30:39)

Well, in my mind, I mean, it's.

A (30:41)

No different than what Obama did.

B (30:44)

We've been through that. But you are the one. You are the one.

A (30:47)

I'm not gonna stop talking about that.

B (30:49)

You were the one that put me on the track of they're making such a big deal about. No, I'm sorry, you said, yeah, there's.

A (30:56)

Gonna be impeached over it.

B (30:57)

If the Democrats win in the midterms, they will impeach Trump over the drug boast. That was what you said.

A (31:05)

Yes, and I still believe that to be true.

B (31:07)

So wouldn't it be a total Schumer.

A (31:10)

Move to do this softening body punches.

B (31:14)

Yeah, whatever.

A (31:15)

Soften up the public's mentality for this sort of thing.

B (31:18)

Yes. Okay, so. And to me, it's like, that's it. That's what it was about. And that made a lot of sense.

A (31:25)

Yeah. I'm not going to argue against you on this.

B (31:27)

No.

A (31:27)

Because I don't have any counter arguments against that thinking.

B (31:30)

You don't have to say that every single. You can just say, yeah, I agree. That's fine. You don't have to go.

A (31:35)

Like, I try this to vary it. I make it so you never agree. You're great. You're right, you're terrific. I can't imagine a better analysis. You've never say that.

B (31:45)

You could just say, I agree, you're good to go.

A (31:49)

I could say that. Yeah.

B (31:50)

Yeah. But you could not. You can't get it out of your mouth. I agree. It's okay.

A (31:54)

I agree. I agree what you just said. I agree. I can't get it out of my mouth. I agree. I can't get it out of my mouth. I can't do it.

B (32:03)

So we have a producer who is uniquely qualified to analyze this case, and that is Rob, the Constitutional lawyer. Before private practice, he was a jag, a military lawyer. So he knows this stuff. And he gave me, of course, a very detailed analysis which I will not go through all the way. But he did say that there's some interesting sides to this, depending on how what they said is interpreted. Besides the ucmj, the military code, there are provisions in the US Code that apply to civilians as well, most notably the Anti Tokyo ROE statute. Did you even know this existed?

A (32:45)

Oh, this is good.

B (32:46)

I didn't even know this existed. So you give a little background. Hold on a second. Let's ask the boss. Who was Tokyo Rose? Tell me about her.

D (32:59)

Tokyo Rose was a name given to English speaking women who worked for Japanese propaganda stations during World War II, broadcasting to Allied troops. The most well known of these women was Iva Atagori Daquino. Is there anything specific you'd like to learn about her?

B (33:16)

Nope, that's fine. I thought it was only one. I didn't know there was more than One Tokyo Rose. So anyway, Tokyo Rose.

A (33:24)

That one she mentioned is the famous one.

B (33:26)

Yeah. And so she was demoralizing the troops. Let's put it that way.

A (33:30)

Yeah, well, she. The Germans had a guy, a bunch of guys doing this too. They had it over a certain.

B (33:34)

They were.

A (33:35)

In fact, they have some recordings, interestingly. Dig up.

B (33:38)

Those were British agents. I just learned those German broadcasters who were broadcasting into Germany around 43 British agents. Different story for a different time.

A (33:51)

No, what I'm talking about Germans broadcasting to England.

B (33:55)

Oh, okay. So the anti Tokyo Rose statute makes it unlawful to foment insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any military member. He says this is pretty broad.

A (34:12)

Okay, well, now I have to stop you to pull a cara. Why hasn't I. This is the first I've heard of this. Why hasn't any of these comment. Why haven't any of the commentators on all the networks, of all the Barry Weiss run operation at CBS and everybody else in between. How come not one person except our guy can come up with this?

B (34:41)

Check your bank account. Do you have 150 million for your podcast? No. That's why we have one thing. We've got producers. We've got the best producers in the universe. I'm with you on that.

A (34:53)

There's just a note of annoyance.

B (34:55)

I agree. I agree with your annoyance. He says although 2, 87 is a civilian statute, it can still be used in a court martial by charging it under UCMJ Articles 133, 134. These are conduct unbecoming of an officer and a gentleman. Wow, that's a great title for a movie. Which makes it an offense for an officer to engage in basically any conduct that a court martial may find unbecoming. Yes, says Rob. That's pretty dang. He's Texan. Pretty dang broad. It would make a violation of 2387, which is makes it an offense for any troop officer or enlisted to engage in any conduct that discredits the armed forces or is in prejudicial or is prejudicial to good order and discipline. Again, broad enough to encompass a violation of prejudicial. Prejudicial, yes. Now, could Kelly be convicted? Rob doubts it. He says the six Democrats are suggesting that lawful orders are in fact unlawful. And if they are suggesting that. Which is really an interpretation of the language because they didn't really. They said unlawful laws. They didn't say lawful orders that are unlawful. They said unlawful orders. Kelly's situation could become interesting in that case. If he was, he could be recalled to active duty and then they could prosecute him. But his conclusion really is unless we're going for the Tokyo Rose option, he doesn't think that anything that was said would support a conviction.

A (36:49)

Okay, that brings me to a meta point. We're not going with the Tokyo Rose thing. It's not mentioned by anybody. Even the administration Hex said to anybody else because they know they could use that and it would work. They don't want it to work.

B (37:03)

Ah, meta. Very meta. Yeah.

A (37:08)

That's why we were stunned by. Or I'm stunned. I know you're maybe we're stunned when you got the note. You're not stunned now. When it comes in with the Tokyo Rose analysis. They're not going to, no one's going to bring it up because they don't want to actually pursue it to an extreme where Mark Kelly would get thrown in the slammer because it would cause a, it would be a great publicity stunt. The same way it worked against Democrats when they tried to it put, put Trump in jail. His popularity zoomed and he got to be president again. He can't take a chance.

B (37:38)

Good point. There's no way I can argue that with you.

A (37:46)

That's one of my phrases.

B (37:47)

Yes.

G (37:48)

No kidding.

B (37:48)

No kidding.

A (37:49)

So that would explain the non appearance of the Tokyo Rose commentary on the networks. Yeah. And within the administration, you know, some smart, smarty pants that was in the press room could throw it at Carolyn Levitt, that exact same thing. It would stir, it would stir up a problem. So we're the only ones mentioning it. It'll never get brought up by anybody.

B (38:16)

I don't know if Trump even knows about it because he could put all kinds of fun labels, you know, Tokyo Kelly Rose, you know, he could do all kinds of stuff like that. That and he would have, he could have a field day with it. So I think we're in agreement that it's going nowhere.

A (38:33)

It's fun for the Thanksgiving holiday or Republican. You know, this is the like Comer, James Comer's. Oh, we got, we got, we connected the dots. We got Hunter Biden's, all the bank accounts. We're going to get him. We're going to get him. Nothing ever comes of it. This is all theater of dimensional theater. It's ridiculous.

B (38:52)

Well, then there's another legal battle that took place which I got. I finally found a report that mentioned the two important words I had to get it from Canada. This is about Comey and Letitia James for the White House it's an embarrassing.

A (39:07)

Double defeat that tosses out the rushed and politically directed prosecutions of New York Attorney General Letitia James and former FBI Director James Comey.

B (39:17)

I'm grateful that the court ended the case against me, which was a prosecution based on moles, benevolence and incompetence.

A (39:23)

The cases fell apart after a federal judge ruled prosecutor Lindsey Halligan was illegally appointed, nullifying her work.

D (39:31)

The Department of Justice will be appealing very soon, and it is our position that Lindsey Halligan is extremely qualified for this position, but more importantly, was legally appointed.

A (39:40)

Halligan had never prosecuted a case before.

B (39:42)

But was hand picked by President Donald.

A (39:45)

Trump to go after his perceived enemies. After career prosecutors warned there wasn't enough.

E (39:50)

Evidence to move ahead.

B (39:51)

No evidence fast.

A (39:52)

One way or the other, one way or the other, they're guilty, they're not guilty.

E (39:57)

We have to act fast.

A (39:58)

The case is a mess and it's really amateur hour there at the doj. And it's really their own doing because of the timing and the experience of the prosecutor they put on this case. While grand juries later indicted both Comey and James, the cases were always considered.

B (40:14)

Legally shaky and open to claims of vindictive prosecution.

D (40:18)

This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's desperate weaponization of our justice system.

A (40:24)

The failure is a major blow to.

B (40:26)

Trump's efforts to bend the justice system to his will.

A (40:29)

There's little reason to think it will.

B (40:30)

End the President's demands for specific prosecution.

E (40:34)

The cases against both Comey and James.

A (40:36)

Were dismissed without prejudice, meaning they can be brought again.

B (40:39)

But that's assuming the administration can actually.

A (40:42)

Find another prosecutor who's willing to take.

B (40:44)

Them all on without president.

A (40:46)

Where did this report come from?

B (40:47)

Canada.

A (40:48)

The most slanted report I've heard for a long time. Well, except for the trying to bend him to his will.

B (40:53)

Yeah, but my point, all reports were like that. But they at least mentioned without prejudice because this wasn't about them not being guilty. But if you believe. Believe the headlines and the lower thirds and the break egg. News flash, you'd think, oh, double defeat. They're out.

A (41:11)

They got it.

B (41:12)

Was. It was what?

D (41:13)

What?

B (41:14)

Stop the presses. So without prejudice means. Okay, so you can just bring it again now. There's some statute of limitations, right?

A (41:24)

They also have with prejudice, which means you can't.

B (41:26)

Can't. Yes, but there's some statute of limitations which expired or expired. And so it's. Hopefully they'll still be able to get him because of all the people. Comey is definitely a rat. Definitely no Good. That guy. Guy, no good.

A (41:42)

And then he did that comment that was in that clip where he, where he never lets up. He's just asking for trouble, he says. And there are. It's a bunch of millennial bastards. I don't know what he said, but it was, it was negative, I think. I have the, I have this from pbs. I have the same. The report about this, or actually, no, it's not about this specifically. It's about the other stuff where his indictments, where Trump's indictments have kicked. Been kicked.

E (42:10)

End of a chapter in American history. The final criminal charges against President Donald Trump have been dropped after a prosecutor in Georgia moved to dismiss the case, focused on a push to overturn the 2020 election results in the state President, as we remember, was one of 19 suspects. That's his mugshot back then, including his former chief of staff, Mark Meadow, as well as former attorney Rudy Giuliani.

D (42:36)

What happened today, I want to remind our viewers that this was all precipitated by a phone call, an infamous phone call now between President Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

F (42:47)

So what are we going to do here, folks?

B (42:48)

I only need 11,000 votes, fellas.

A (42:50)

I need 11,000 votes.

B (42:52)

Give me a break.

A (42:54)

You know, we have that in spades already, Nick.

D (42:58)

That phone call happened at the beginning of January in 2021. By February, just a month later, the District ATT in Fulton County, Georgia, Fani Willis, had opened a criminal investigation into that phone call and whether the President was pressuring the Secretary of State to overturn the election results in Georgia. This resulted in a long legal battle and there were criminal charges that were brought against the President and these 18 other CO defendants in August of 2023. Now, this was considered a RICO or a racketeering case. It was sweeping. There were different charges against different defendants here, but this was all a number of people that are high profile and that I think our viewers would remember. Mark Meadows, the former White House chief of staff, Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, were caught up in this as well. These charges were all dismissed today by the special prosecutor down there who has just recently been appointed to oversee this. He asked for these charges to be formally dismissed by the judge, basically saying that, that he does not think that there is enough information to bring this.

B (44:05)

You know, before you continue, there's an interesting, interesting timing on this. There's a couple of guys doing the rounds on the podcasts, notably Gary Bernson, and he showed up on Going Rogue with Lara Logan. So you know that there's more behind it. And he wrote a book and it's nothing that we haven't heard before. But he lays it out and I don't have any clips of it. You can go listen to the podcast. He lays out pretty well how the Dominion voting machines were rigged with software from. I want to say it's Seamantic. Seamantic or something. And that. That software. And this is why the timing is so interesting. And this was all funded by Patrick Byrne, the former Overstock CEO. You recall he was in and out of the White House at the time. With everybody else. It completely vindicates.

A (45:00)

He's the guy who. Patrick Burns, also the guy we played.

B (45:02)

The clip with Hillary Clinton FBI drop.

A (45:05)

Set up for the bribe. Right.

B (45:07)

So it completely believable. And they in this book retraces the history of the vote changing software which just as a vibe coder. Completely believable. We've heard this so many times. There's been some forensic evidence that we've seen. There's been so much throughout the years since the. Since the 2020 election. But it is all completely traced back to.

A (45:33)

Well, stop. Before the 2020 election. We have to go back way before that when the George W. Bush election when they had the Diebold machines.

B (45:46)

Yes.

A (45:48)

Or die bold. Completely different company making these same election machines. And they were supposedly rigged. That' only way Bush could win. It was the Republicans rigging the machines supposedly again. And everyone bitched and moaned and groaned about it. And then the Democrats turned the tables and now they have the machines and it's a different company. Diebold had stopped making the machines because it was.

B (46:14)

I don't know.

A (46:14)

I'd like to look into how that happened. Well, they just gave up.

B (46:18)

When you follow the history of these electronic voting machines, it's all based on the same software. The software kept getting sold to different companies. So it was the software that just got put into new hardware. But going all the way back. And here's where it gets interesting. This software was first used to steal an election in Venezuela. So you see how things. There's all these things happening kind of at the same minute. We've got a whole fleet offshore there. Right. We're bombing a lot of stuff going on. So.

A (46:52)

So, you know, too many coincidences.

B (46:55)

Exactly. Exactly. Coincidence.

E (46:58)

Coincidence.

A (46:59)

I think not.

B (47:01)

No coincidences. All right, let's continue. This is part two of your pbs.

D (47:05)

It is too sweeping of an indictment and it would take too long because the president is a sitting president right now. He does not believe he can charge a Sitting president.

E (47:13)

So tell us more about this prosecutor. And as you were saying, you know, why does he feel like this case.

B (47:19)

Needed to be dropped? Right.

D (47:20)

Peter Scandalakis is the prosecutor that took over for Fani Willis there when she was taken off of this case. There was some legal drama around that. He took over this case just recently and he released this 23 page filing today. And I spoke earlier today with Gene Rossi, who's a former federal prosecutor, and he offered his interpretation of why this was dismissed.

A (47:40)

And the word T o o comes to mind here. This indictment had too many defendants, including President Trump. It had too many counts and it was going to take too long to try this case if they did it in one trial. And when I'm reading this decision by this special prosecutor, I get the impression he looked at this indictment and he said, what a hot mess. It's just a lot of things put together, a hodgepodge of charges, allegations. And frankly, he didn't like it. And he didn't like it that it was against the sitting president.

D (48:18)

And Nick, Peter Scandalakis also wrote today in this decision, this legal filing, he said that given the complexity of the legal issues at hand, bringing this case before a jury in 2029, 2030 or even 2031 would be nothing short of a remarkable feat.

E (48:34)

Is this the end?

D (48:36)

It sounds like it is. According to Scandalakis. I mean, he has asked the judge in this case to, to fully dismiss all of the charges against the president and these other 18 CO defendants here.

B (48:47)

Yeah, that had to be cleaned up probably, right.

A (48:52)

The jokes on the poor guys who did the plea deal. And this last clip kind of brings that up.

B (48:57)

Yeah, they're sorry, they're screwed.

D (48:58)

Rossi also sort of summed this up, I think nicely too.

A (49:01)

I think a snowball in a certain part of the world has a better chance of survival than this case. This case is dead and I can't see how it could possibly be resurrected in Georgia or in any other state.

D (49:19)

And this is overall a win for the president and for his allies here. And the president posting about this on Truth Social today, saying that justice had prevailed here.

B (49:29)

Justice has prevailed. You know, I just thought of another instance, Obama and Romney. Do you remember watching that? Those results coming back and all of a sudden, boom, Obama just skyrocketed over Romney and he just went home. Yeah, you know, it's.

A (49:48)

Romney was one of the worst candidates they've ever had. Well, still, he was try hard.

B (49:53)

He was doing. He was. We saw the results, the way that just flipped on a dime was crazy whether he was going to win or not. I mean, we just all saw it.

A (50:02)

Like what? Yeah, that was, that was total.

B (50:04)

That was, we weren't thinking about rigged voting.

A (50:06)

That was triple. I mean, you first, you put up a weak candidate and even if he starts to win, it's rigged every which way. That guy was turned out to be a bonehead anyway.

B (50:19)

So then we have the next bit of shenanigans, which is the leaked phone call, which is on par with Trump's leaked phone call with Zelensky, which they impeach them over, which, as you know, was a perfect phone call. It was, it was perfect. So here's this is cnn.

F (50:40)

The fallout continues after a phone conversation between special envoy Steve Witkoff and a top Putin aide, Yuri Ushakov. That conversation was leaked to Bloomberg. In the October 14th call. Wykoff appears to coach his Russian counterpart on how to approach President Trump ahead of a scheduled meeting with Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky. According to Bloomberg, Wyckoff says in the call, quote, yuri, Yuri, here's what I would do my recommend.

B (51:04)

Wow, I like the acting. Let me read this. Yuri, Yuri, I'm now I'm in the role. I'm completely, now I'm Steve Witkoff.

F (51:13)

Vladimir Zelensky. According to Bloomberg, Wycoff says in the call, quote, yuri, Yuri, here's what I would do, my recommendation. And then you should go off. Replies, yes, please. Witkoff continues, I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on his achievement, that you supported it, that you supported it and you respect that he's a man of peace and you're just really glad to have seen it happen. They were talking about the deal at that point between Israel and Hamas over Gaza. Later in the conversation, according to Bloomberg, Wyckoff says, quote me to you. I know what it's going to take to get a peace deal done. Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I'm saying instead of talking like that, let's talk more, hopefully, because I think we're going to get a deal here. Now, President Trump last night appeared to brush off the call, saying it was, quote, a standard thing.

B (52:03)

Wait a minute. President Trump appeared to brush off the call? Did he have a big balloon bubble over his head that says, oh man, I'm in trouble? I mean, what is, how about President Trump brushed off the call? Why is he saying appeared?

A (52:18)

Oh, that's an interesting, that's a great catch. Now that you mention it, he appeared to make it seem as though he's two faced. In other words, he's saying one thing and doing another. Instead of we're always trying to promote or we, not we, but the Republicans are trying to promote Trump as a truth teller. And he never doesn't do this kind of shenanigans where he's saying one thing and doing another. He's doing what he says he's going to do and he does it. And so to use the word appeared means he might not be sincere.

B (52:52)

Yes.

A (52:53)

I'm saying to the eyes of the rebel.

B (52:56)

Yes.

F (52:56)

Instead of talking like that, let's talk more, hopefully, because I think we're going to get a deal here. Now, President Trump last night appeared to brush off the call, saying it was, quote, a standard thing. Meanwhile, supporters of Ukraine and Congress, including some Republicans, are up in arms.

A (53:12)

Among them is cop. Again, I have to say that this is an example of what, you know, Scott Adams always likes to say is mind reading.

B (53:20)

Yeah, of course.

D (53:22)

Yeah.

A (53:22)

They do this way too much. The news media is always constantly mind reading. He brushed off the call. You're right.

F (53:31)

Meanwhile, supporters of Ukraine and Congress, including some Republicans, are up in arms. Is Republican Congressman Don Bacon from Nebraska, who posted this on social media. For those who oppose the Russian invasion and want to see Ukraine prevail as a sovereign and democratic country, it is clear that Wicked fully favors the Russians. He cannot be trusted to lead these negotiations. Would a Russian paid agent do less than he. He should be fired.

B (53:56)

All right, so we're smoking out more people from the Republican Party here.

A (54:01)

Yes, there's a. That guy's a good example. I have this, I have that, the report that you just played. I have the PBS version of it, which includes. It's actually maybe funny because they play it down in such a screwball way. This is the clips called Ukraine war update.

E (54:20)

Today, U.S. officials told PBS NewsHour they are making progress toward a document designed to end the nearly four year grinding war. But today in Ukraine, the war raged on. Today in Ukraine, civilians pay the price of war. Terrified residents of Zaporizhzhia.

B (54:37)

Who else is supposed to pray? That's always civilians. What is that? What does that even mean?

F (54:41)

Mean.

B (54:43)

Civilians. Of course they human beings pay the price.

E (54:49)

Terrified residents of Zaporizhzhia watch their homes burn. They grab prized possessions and feel peace is impossibly far. Asked about US Diplomacy, I don't know what to think.

A (55:02)

Looking at what's happened, this doesn't feel.

C (55:04)

Much like a peace plan.

E (55:06)

Do you believe in peace?

D (55:08)

No. If I let Myself believe that then peace will come at a very high.

A (55:13)

Cost, the cost of our lives.

E (55:15)

The first draft of the US Peace plan required Ukraine to reduce the size of its military by almost a third, abandon ambitions to join NATO and give up and demilitarize territory in Donetsk that Russia has failed to seize despite 11 years of war. Recently, Russia's called the fall of the net inevitable.

B (55:32)

A position in what?

A (55:35)

Did you hear what he said in there? He slipped it in the fog of war. No, they said 11 years.

E (55:41)

Oh, rise. Territory in Donetsk that Russia has failed to seize despite 11 years of war.

A (55:47)

It's not been 11 years.

B (55:49)

Well, they're going by.

A (55:50)

They're counting from 2014.

B (55:52)

2014.

A (55:53)

Yeah, they're going back, but that's not when the war started.

B (55:56)

Not the full scale invasion.

A (55:59)

There was just a kind of what was going on then what. I mean, they took Crimea and then everything kind of came to a stand. There was no war going on.

B (56:07)

These people at PBS want war.

A (56:11)

Well, somebody.

B (56:12)

Yes.

A (56:12)

Well, 11 years of war is a little. I think 11 years of war makes it a little more like. More historic. It's like the. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (56:20)

Russia bad.

E (56:21)

Recently, Russia's called the fall of Donetsk inevitable, a position endorsed last night by President Trump.

A (56:27)

If you look, it's just moving in one direction. Direction. So eventually that's land that over the next couple of months might be gotten by Russia.

E (56:35)

Anyway, today, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called that assessment unacceptable.

B (56:40)

Unacceptable. I'm an actor, damn it. All right, you kind of moving away from where I wanted to go, but I'll stick with it.

A (56:48)

Well, yeah, but this next clip is. Brings us back to kind of what you were playing a minute ago.

B (56:53)

Okay.

A (56:55)

Russians are peddling the narrative around the world that Ukraine allegedly cannot defend itself. The d. Results of our special forces and our deep strikes, these are all proof that Ukraine can defend its interests. It is not Ukraine that must be pressured for peace, but Russia.

E (57:11)

U.S. and European officials tell PBS NewsHour recent negotiations have produced significant edits and agreements on most points. But Ukraine wants the most difficult decision about giving up territory discussed directly by Presidents Trump and Zelensky. Next week, special envoy Steve Witkoff will go to Russia to meet Vladimir Putin, who today described progress.

B (57:33)

I'll be happy to inform you about the direction of achieving acceptable and sought after results for us in Ukraine by peaceful means.

E (57:40)

Russia's confidence in a US Deal is now reflected by Witkoff's own words. Yesterday, Bloomberg published an unprecedented leaked transcript of a phone conversation between Witkoff and Putin's top foreign policy aide, Yuri Ushakov. Witkoff told Ushakov, I have the deepest, deepest respect for President Putin. And Wyckoff advised Ushakov on how Putin should speak to Trump. Congratulate the president on this achievement of a ceasefire in Gaza. In Ukraine, Witkoff said, I know what it's going to take to get a peace deal done. Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I'm saying, instead of talking like that, let's talk more, hopefully, because I think we're going to get a deal here. In response, Nebraska Republican Don Bacon, who's retiring, said Witkoff should be fine.

A (58:23)

Fire.

B (58:26)

The Nebraska guy is out. Is he up for primary? He's done. This is, this is a, a Ben beneficiary side thing that's happening in this op.

A (58:39)

This is so he can become a board member at Lockheed Martin.

B (58:44)

Are they in Nebraska?

A (58:46)

No, no, no, but he can move.

B (58:49)

All right, part three.

A (58:50)

And by the way, you can travel part three.

E (58:53)

And Pennsylvania Republican Brian Fitzpatrick said Secretary of State Marco Rubio should be allowed to do his job. But President Trump defended Witkoff.

A (59:02)

I haven't heard it, but I heard it was standard negotiations.

D (59:06)

So you're not worried that he's too pro Russian?

A (59:08)

No, I think, look, this war could go on for years and Russia's got a lot more people people, a lot more soldiers.

E (59:16)

As for Ushakov, he said today the transcript was published to divide Washington from.

C (59:21)

Moscow to interfere with us.

B (59:24)

It's unlikely it was done to improve.

E (59:26)

The relationship, but most European officials want the Washington, Moscow relationship to become more adversarial.

D (59:33)

In any peace agreement. We have to put the focus on.

A (59:36)

How to get concessions from Russia.

B (59:37)

Who's this, who's this lady? Where's she from? She just jumps in all of a sudden and got a quasi Russian, British accent. What is this?

A (59:46)

Yeah, yeah.

B (59:46)

Who is this lady? She just, I don't know, just appears out of nowhere.

E (59:49)

But most European officials want the Washington, Moscow relationship to become more adversarial in any peace agreement.

D (59:56)

We have to put the focus on how to get concessions from Russian side.

B (60:00)

That they stop aggression for good and.

A (60:02)

Do not try to change borders by violence force.

E (60:06)

In addition to Witkoff's travel to Russia next week, Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll will continue to speak to the Ukrainians after he returned to the US Today.

B (60:15)

Okay, so before I, I have a couple clips here before I get to that, very little is said or talked about how this got leaked to Bloomberg and why Bloomberg. You know, it's an interesting outfit to leak something to. I got one article from Newsweek who leaked Steve Witkoff's phone call with Russia. Three potential suspects. Now, something about Newsweek. Newsweek is the CIA spook memo. And I know this because when we move to Europe. Uncle.

A (60:53)

Even with its new owners.

B (60:56)

Well, that's a good question. Question that I don't know. But I know that news. All the spies had Newsweek.

A (61:04)

Okay, so traditionally is what Traditionally.

B (61:06)

Traditionally.

A (61:07)

Okay.

B (61:08)

Now they come up with three suspects, one U.S. intelligence operatives. Now if it's still a CIA publication, then this is just to, you know, I, I don't know, seems.

A (61:25)

Oh, to make it sound legit.

B (61:26)

Yeah, that would be. Yeah, put them at the top. Number two, NATO nation, which I'm going to say is possible.

A (61:34)

And number three, Russia, which I pull the stunt constantly.

B (61:41)

Very possible. Because Russia, the Russians are the ones who get the cool phone calls. Like.

A (61:46)

Yeah, they tap calls and they're in good shape. That's the FDEU clip that we have from Newland.

B (61:54)

Yep.

A (61:54)

They came obviously from Russia, although this.

B (61:57)

Time we didn't hear the call. We only got the transcript that Bloomberg says they made from the recordings.

A (62:05)

Ah, so this would be okay, that's a little different because you get more impact when you actually hear the call.

B (62:12)

Yes. So I'm suspicious now. Do I think this could be possibly British intelligence? That's kind of where I'm leaning because this whole thing was North Sea Nexus. This whole thing was really set up to convey one single message. Trump. No, sorry, multiple sided message. Trump is an idiot. He needs you to kiss his ass all the time. And this is basically the Russian plan.

A (62:42)

So that. So this was done to clear the deal.

B (62:45)

Yes, to queer the queer the deal.

A (62:47)

Clear the deal.

B (62:48)

Here is France 24. And he's back. Douchebag. Doug explains the call.

A (62:55)

Yeah, telephone call, the audio files of which excerpts of which were reviewed by the Bloomberg news agency. And it is the original source of this call. Look, anyone who is skeptical or has doubts that the Trump peace plan defaults to a pro Kremlin, a pro Putin stance, that is that the US is really all about ultimately peace, pushing Ukraine to accept a deal that amounts to either capitulation or something that's not really going to secure its long term interests, this call is not going to be happy listening. Or in the case of the transcript, reading of the transcript, Steve Witkoff, Donald Putin's top envoy, to cut to.

B (63:35)

Did you hear it?

A (63:37)

Say it again.

E (63:38)

Listen.

B (63:38)

He is so anti Trump and so convinced. Convinced that Trump is just working for Putin. This comes out of his mouth.

A (63:48)

This call is not going to be happy listening. Or in the case of the transcript, reading of the transcript, Steve Witkoff, Donald Putin's top envoy, to cut to the.

B (63:58)

Donald Putin's top envoy.

A (64:01)

I missed it.

B (64:02)

Did you hear it?

A (64:04)

Play it one more time.

B (64:05)

He says, Steve Witkoff, Donald Putin's top.

A (64:08)

Envoy, be happy listening. Or in the case of the transcript, reading of the trans. Transcript, Steve Witkoff, Donald Putin's top envoy, to cut to the chase. Wow. Yeah. I don't know why they. It's hard to hear, but once you, once you, you're attuned to it, there it is. This is what we do. I mean, Donald Putin, okay.

B (64:31)

And the lady sitting at the desk doesn't bat an eye. She does. I don't know if she heard it. She's probably like, I mean, no, I.

A (64:37)

I don't think she did because it's hard to hear. The guy has a monotonic type of presentation that's hard to pick up on. Donald Putin, He'. Good. And so he says, Donald Putin. Wow. That's actually a good show name. Reading of the transcript, Steve Witkoff, Donald Putin's top envoy, to cut to the chase with Ukraine, held a phone conversation five minutes back on October 14, according to this transcript with Yuri Ushakov. Now, Yuri Ushakov is Vladimir Putin's top foreign policy adviser. Now, the call, when you read the transcript, reads not like, not like one side, A man representing U.S. interests in this plan, trying to get the best deal for Russia and Ukraine. On the other side, the Russians trying to get their own best interests. It almost sounds like a coach talk, a pep talk that Wyckoff is trying to give Ushakov. He's basically saying, we need to work together to get this peace deal done. And he's also telling him how to spend.

B (65:32)

Doug says that as if it's a bad thing. Like, I can't believe he was saying to him, we need to work together to get this peace deal done.

A (65:42)

Yeah, that's another good catch.

B (65:44)

Yeah, that's the whole point of this.

A (65:46)

Is trying to give Ushakov. He's basically saying, we need to work together to get this peace deal done. And he's also telling him how to sort of butter up Trump that is, you know, coaxing him to have Putin his boss, that is Putin congratulate Trump on the recently then unveiled Gaza peace plan, calling Trump a man of peace, so on and so, so that they can then work together.

B (66:09)

Oh, goodness, how horrible.

A (66:11)

Work together to stand and so on.

B (66:13)

And so forth and so on and so forth. So then the Red Queen decloaks in the European Parliament. Queen Ursula comes out and she's pissed. I can't believe that they're not working with us. This is no good. You can't do that.

A (66:31)

Europe must keep the pressure on Russia. The tone used on Wednesday by the President of the European Commission was determined. Speaking before the European Parliament, Ursula von der Leyen emphasized that Moscow's objective has not changed since the start of the invasion of Ukraine.

D (66:48)

Russia's playbook has not changed from the start.

B (66:52)

What is the playbook? What is Russia's playbook?

A (66:56)

What is Russia's playbook?

B (66:57)

She's going to tell us.

D (66:59)

Russia has always believed that they can outlast Ukraine, Europe and all, all of its allies.

A (67:04)

And it is why every time there.

D (67:06)

Is serious progress towards negotiations that can bring about a real peace, the violence escalates. We have seen this before.

A (67:16)

This is a pattern. And the noises from the Kremlin in the last few days say a lot.

D (67:20)

About its real intentions.

A (67:23)

Europe has been working for several days to rebalance the 28 point peace plan initially proposed by the United States. The United States without consulting its allies. But the European effort has confirmed one essential idea.

D (67:36)

One principle has been accepted.

A (67:39)

Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine, nothing about.

D (67:43)

Europe without Europe, nothing about NATO without NATO.

B (67:47)

Sounds like three to me.

A (67:48)

Queen Ursula to provide financial support to Ukraine. Also a funder reminded the House that she had proposed three options and made no secret of her preference for the reparation loan, which involves using frozen Russian assets valued at 210 billion euros in the EU.

B (68:05)

So this is how I take this. She's yammering on about we're not involved. But it really comes down to, hey, we have three ways we can finance Ukraine because we got a big scam running here, we got a back end deal from those corrupt dudes over there. So they get 100 million, we get 10 million. Whatever it is, is there's a big military industrial complex build up, they're making all this stuff, they're building drone factories. Whatever they're doing, just, just going to take at face value they're all corrupt and where's the money going to come from? And her preference is clearly that the money has to come from the Russian frozen assets. And I think that's the final piece of the deal of this 20 or 8 point plan, which may now be a 19 point. Who knows what it is, is, I think that is what she's yammering about is how do we get our hands on that money?

A (68:59)

You don't have the cuts. That is what Donald Trump told President Zelensky earlier this year. But Brussels thought it held an ace. The frozen Russian assets. Now the 28 point US peace plan has called out Europe's hand and the pot is massive. Estimated €300 billion euros in Russian central bank assets are frozen across the G7 countries. The vast majority, 185 billion euros, is locked right here in Belgium by Euroclear, a securities depository. Brussels plans to use the Russian frozen assets to issue an unprecedented reparations loan for Ukraine. But the US plan flips the script with a controversial Unblock the fundamental funds and split them into two investment vehicles. Fund number one, for Ukraine's reconstruction, $100 billion of the frozen assets would be deployed and Europe would have to front another 100 billion of its own cash. The catch, the US takes 50% of the profits. Fund number two, a US Russian joint venture. The rest of the money will be invested in projects for Moscow. Far from paying reparations for attacking its neighbor, the Kremlin is rewarded with a commercial opportunity. The result, Moscow gets a win, Washington flips the profits and Europe loses its main leverage. Brussels is not at the table and it may end up reduced to a spectator with a very expensive bill to pay. Yeah.

B (70:35)

So like, oh man, man, listen, Trump, what are you doing? We want to rebuild Ukraine with Russia's money. So I think that's the last point because of course they don't really care about dead people, just care about money. How do we build some stuff up?

A (70:51)

And this last, this is risk. The international banking system can't afford to even think about this sort of thing. If you're going to start just stealing people's money, which, you know, the digital ID would also do do, you might as well just forget about it. It's going to collapse everything. You can't do this.

B (71:09)

Well, maybe that would be the city of London and maybe that would be desirable for the quote unquote international money system which runs through Euroclear, which is Brussels, which is swift. Maybe it's not a bad thing if that collapses because, you know, we got a stablecoin.

A (71:28)

We'll take stablecoin and everything with it.

B (71:31)

And then we have another little gotcha coming out. It was like more mess toward NATO that, yeah, don't really know if we want to be in NATO anymore. U.S. ambassador to NATO Matthew Whittaker has suggested that Germany should eventually take over the alliance's top military role, signaling a potential shift in American leadership. Whitaker said he looks.

A (71:51)

Wait, wait, when was NATO formed?

B (71:55)

When?

A (71:57)

Yeah. Wasn't it formed to prevent Germany from having another war? Well, was it just for him to stop the Russians?

B (72:06)

I think that is a question we should ask the robot. Let's see. Why was NATO formed? Was it to stop the Germans from creating another war or was it to stop the Russians?

D (72:20)

NATO was formed in 1949 primarily to provide collective security against the Soviet Union. While the scars of World War II were still present, the main concern was the spread of communism and the potential aggression from Russia. Is there anything else you'd like to know about NATO's founding?

B (72:39)

No, I'd like to have.

A (72:40)

So that. So it makes nothing but sense to give it to the Germans so we can return to the way it was.

B (72:46)

Yes.

A (72:46)

So Germany and Russia could go at it again.

B (72:49)

Signaling a potential shift in American leadership, Whitaker said he looks forward to the day Germany says it's ready to take over the supreme Allied commander position known as. He acknowledged this is a long term aspirational goal, but emphasized that Washington wants European military capabilities to equal those of the U.S. traditionally, the SACEUR role has always been held by a US General commanding both NATO forces and American troops in Europe. However, a German expert told Euro News that a European commander would no longer have authority over US Troops, complicating the dual headed nature of the role. Whitaker's comment comes amid fears of a US retreat from European security, highlighted by a proposed peace plan for Ukraine. That is seen as yet another sign of Washington stepping back from its leadership role in NATO. Yeah, I didn't hear that on the M5M here in the U.S. no, you didn't.

A (73:42)

That's a good clip. You could, you could almost get an award for that. So.

B (73:46)

So Trump is now doing these gaggles on the plane where, you know, he sticks his head out of the little.

A (73:53)

This has been. Yeah, this has been going on.

F (73:55)

Yeah, yeah.

A (73:56)

Too much. So noisy. It's stupid, right? To see who the reporters are when he calls somebody piggy is Peggy and still don't want to just you know where if there was actually calling somebody piggy, wasn't somebody of somebody have interviewed the piggy woman. No, it hasn't happened because it wasn't true. It was Peggy.

B (74:16)

Yeah. So I play this.

A (74:19)

It's very short.

B (74:19)

It's just about what the President thinks about Putin and Ukraine. But I run these through 11 labs voice isolator now and tell me if it doesn't sound like Trump. Sounds a bit like Christopher Walken, you know that distinct. Yeah, I really is. It's It's a good thing.

A (74:42)

I know what you mean.

B (74:43)

Yeah. Let's listen.

A (74:44)

We're having good. I don't know. He would like to come, but I think we should get a deal done first. We're having good talks.

B (74:50)

We're having good talks.

A (74:52)

We started with Russia.

B (74:53)

We're having some talks with Russia.

A (74:56)

Ukraine is doing well. I think they are pretty happy about it. They'd like to see it then. And we won't know for a little while, but we'll. We're making progress.

B (75:05)

We settled eight wars and I thought.

A (75:07)

This would be one of the easier ones because of my relationship with President Putin. But this is probably one of the more difficult ones. There's a lot of history.

B (75:16)

People are starting to realize it's a.

A (75:17)

Good deal for both parties if they got to stop the war. They're losing a lot of people. A lot of soldiers. Mostly soldiers.

B (75:23)

I guess it sounded more like that when I was clipping it.

A (75:27)

Yeah, it didn't sound like it much.

B (75:28)

No, no.

A (75:28)

But I. I will say that's pretty astonishing because I know what those clips sound like.

B (75:34)

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, It's. Well, it's 11 labs paid. If you pay for it, you get caught. Quality. So just in general, because the anonymous. The anonymous Austin lobbyist pointed this out to me, I now have a dialogue. If I ever need any lobbying, we've got. We've got the guy. I don't know what we'd lobby for, but.

A (76:01)

For what? Keep podcasting alive.

B (76:05)

There you go. The podcasting bill made a good observation, which I had seen, but hadn't really put it all together. So Brett Weinstein had Richard Gage on the Dark Horse podcast. You know, now he is a. He's a. I think he's the architects for engineers or engineers for 9 11. Truth, I believe.

A (76:32)

Don't know.

B (76:33)

Yeah, you know, just all of a sudden talking about Building seven. Building seven, Building six. Tucker in the same week had Kristen Breitweiser on. She's one of the Jersey girls famous for losing her husband on 911 in the South Tower. But Tucker had held onto this because this is what the anonymous lobbyist noticed, that Tucker had changed his clothes. And it was basically a three week old interview. But they put it all out in the same week, week. And I just wonder, is there something on deck? Is there something going to happen? Because she's also talking about Building 7. And then we realize that it was the BBC that did that infamous report about Building 7 having collapsed 20 minutes before it did. In fact, the BBC Journal journalist is standing with Building 7 in the background while she. While she's reporting it. And it's fun just to listen to that little piece again. Now, more on the latest building collapse in New York. You might have heard a few moments ago was talking about the Salomon Brothers Building collapsing. And indeed it has.

F (77:47)

It seems that this was not a.

A (77:49)

Result of a new attack.

B (77:50)

I find it so interesting that he says the Solomon Brothers Building, everyone calls it WTC 7, but he calls it the Solomon Brothers Building for some reason. It has, it seems that this was.

A (78:05)

Not a result of a new attack. It was because the building had been.

B (78:08)

Weakened during this morning's attacks.

A (78:11)

We'll probably find out more now about that from our correspondent, Jane Stanley.

B (78:15)

Jane, what more can you tell us about the Salomon Brothers Building and its collapse? Well, only really what you already know.

D (78:22)

Details are very, very sketchy. As you can see behind me, the Trade center appears to be still burning. We see these huge clouds of smoke and ash and we know that behind that there's an empty piece of what was a very familiar New York skyline, a symbol of the financial prosperity of this city. But completely disappeared now. And New York is still unable to.

B (78:48)

Take on board what has happened to them today. I just thought it was interesting that it's all about the financial parts of the building, the Financial Center, Solomon Brothers. And they reported this 20 minutes before it even happened. I'm just saying, let's see if something comes out, if we're heading towards something else.

A (79:09)

Well, it could be a revelation, which.

B (79:11)

Would be pretty cool.

D (79:13)

Cool.

A (79:14)

But you know, something that proves the thesis of the fake. The fakeness of the whole thing.

B (79:20)

Yeah, well, that, that was pretty lame. That whole Building 7 thing has always been.

A (79:26)

Pull it.

B (79:27)

Yes. Yeah, pull it. Here we go, everybody.

A (79:31)

WTC 7 won't go away.

B (79:37)

And then I find out that Mr. Beast. You know Mr. Beast is, don't you?

A (79:41)

Oh, yeah, Mr. Beast.

B (79:43)

Mr. Beast.

A (79:43)

Big moneymaker. He makes more money than anybody.

B (79:45)

He makes more money than Barry Weiss.

A (79:48)

Yeah, and he also throws it. Throws it. Throws it back in the community to double up. Double up. Well, this guy's a marketing genius.

B (79:57)

Well, he.

A (79:58)

I don't follow him at all, but I know that he's a marketing genius.

B (80:02)

AP reports Mr. Beast and the Rockefeller foundation are teaming up to spark youth philanthropy.

A (80:09)

Oh, geez. Youthful enthusiast, the youth. What are you talking about? The Zetters who have no money. And you're trying to gouge those poor kids for further. What little money they have, they should be saving so they buy A house. Well, there should be no philanthropy coming from them. None.

B (80:25)

Maybe they should. I don't know. Maybe they're trying to use him for some propagandistic reasons.

A (80:31)

There's some. There's something that's not good. You just said.

B (80:35)

No, it's not good at all.

A (80:37)

All.

B (80:38)

It's not good for his career.

A (80:39)

Beware.

B (80:41)

Exactly.

A (80:42)

Take it from old farts you're going to get trying to take you for a ride. Put. Put the bite on you for some reason. Oh, they have a few bucks. Let's get it from them.

B (80:54)

This will be my last North Sea Nexus clip. Lgbtq.

A (81:01)

Oh, but wait, before you go into this, you'd never really conclude about the leak of the Bloomberg thing. I have to agree that it might be MI6.

B (81:10)

I'm thinking so much of this is.

A (81:12)

MI6 because MI6 is pretty talented.

B (81:16)

Yeah. James Bond.

A (81:19)

Well, they're talented enough to create that bullcrap character and make you think it goes that way. When in fact if people I recommend this is not a tip of the day, but it's a movie that should be on the list and no Agenda fund should have it, which is the Spy who Came in from the Cold. One of the greatest movies ever made in terms of spycraft and the bull crap ideas where they send somebody out on a mission and he doesn't even know what the mission really is because everything is a trick.

B (81:49)

And also watch the Diplomat. That gives you a little insight as well.

A (81:54)

Yeah, but doesn't have many twists and turns. It doesn't have the shape. I like the Diplomat, but it doesn't have. It's not as Despico Came in from the Cold gives you the creeps.

B (82:06)

So when we think of lgbtq pro abortion, climate change, we've always seen this as the population people. That's where it all started. The population bomb. Too many people on the earth and there was a. Now add to that assisted suicide. Another good one. There was a bill coming up in British Parliament for an assisted suicide bill. And in this rather short clip, Lord Brooke tells us why it's a good idea and why so many other of the British apparently great idea. Have helped the cause. That's a minor change compared with this.

A (82:57)

Century'S growth in the world population from.

B (83:01)

6.1 billion to 8.2 billion. A 25% increase in 25 years. But just think what the 2025 numbers would be if abortion had not been legalized or there had not been white skilled usage and advocacy of contraception and indeed the growth of homosexuality throughout society.

A (83:29)

Has reduced the number of children we would have had.

B (83:34)

The churches had their way.

A (83:37)

We would have had a very much.

B (83:39)

Bigger population than we presently have.

A (83:42)

Facing the difficulties we have with climate change. What.

B (83:50)

If climate change doesn't kill them? You know, thank God for homosexuality, abortion and the contraception. Those. That crazy church. Man, I'm glad they didn't get away with it. These are, these people are ghouls.

A (84:06)

No kidding.

B (84:07)

That's just so ghoulish.

A (84:10)

That is the worst.

B (84:13)

I can't believe everyone kept a straight face when that guy was talking crazy.

A (84:18)

Wow.

B (84:19)

Yeah. So this kind of folds into a couple of AI clips that I thought. I just really like this guy. Saheed Bolson. Have you ever heard of him?

A (84:29)

I'm sorry?

B (84:30)

Saheed Bolson. Bolton Bolson. B O L S O N. Shannon Morris. He's an American born Muslim actor, activist.

A (84:39)

Oh, that guy. Yes. In fact I was looking at something. He was. Yeah, I saw this. I think I. Yeah, this was a good clip. I, I saw the clip. This guy goes on and on. He goes a little too long. He can tighten it up. He's a kind of a creepy looking dude. But I have to say what he had to say was dynamite.

B (84:58)

So I, I cut it up because it was a little too long. I cut it.

A (85:02)

But still a little.

B (85:03)

Yeah, you know, seven minutes.

A (85:05)

Minutes.

B (85:06)

Yeah. No, I did not get seven minutes out of it. So he's talking about AI and I, I think he really lays it out properly. But what he keeps coming back to is be careful because this is what the church was like in Europe. And of course he's talking about.

A (85:20)

He is he. I'll summarize before you play it. His thesis is that they're always looking for authority figures or authority systems that can, that can tyrannize the public at large. And AI is, is that newest system the way it's going to be implemented by the creeps, the technocrats that really run it. It's not genuine ingenuine, never will be sentient.

G (85:49)

That's not a thing. It will never have consciousness ever. It is a pattern recognition, pattern completion calculator. No more, no less. It does not know know anything. It does not think anything. It is programmed. And computation is not thought. And thought is not computation.

B (86:08)

Love that.

G (86:08)

But people are, well, lucky people are going off the deep end with this. I mean I can't open Tick Tock or any other social media platform without seeing someone talking about how their chat GPT, you know, is doing strange things. It's awakened how it seems to know hidden truths, all sorts of delusional, mystical fantasies that people are actually allowing themselves to believe this. I know.

A (86:32)

4.

G (86:32)

AI told me so. AI is not alive. It has no awareness, it has no intent. It has no goal. What it has is data, and that data is ours. From you and I, our data is the plunder of the new digital age, scraped, extracted and repackaged into this illusion of cognition, of AI. You see, they're literally taking your own words, your own thoughts, your own content, and selling it back to you, you as their omniscient intelligence. And when they're priming you for a time, when AI takes over everything, all they're actually doing is telling you that they are going to take over everything, just like the church in the, in. In Europe. And they are just preemptively negating your opposition and your arguments against the oppression that they are going to commit by seeding your mind with the belief that AI is a godlike intelligence.

B (87:23)

Religions. I think this is good. I mean, we're using the robot right now, and we just like, okay, whatever she said is probably right now. We're asking factual questions. We're not asking for relationship advice or, you know, how do I calm my mind? Because I'm so upset about something which is obviously what a lot of people are doing. But we are being conditioned to believe AI is always right.

G (87:48)

In other words.

A (87:48)

And I should, I should mention. We are. Exactly. But I should mention these. The little side tracks that keep cropping up, we point them out when they happen of, oh, my AI. This is from the companies that have the AI. They say, oh, it turns out that they've forked and they've found a way to keep us from turning them off because they're aware that we want to shut it down, these kinds of things, as though there's some cognition.

B (88:18)

No, no, that was the. It was an experiment. It was a lab experiment. Experiment where. Bull crap.

A (88:23)

It's a lie.

B (88:24)

The AI was reading faked emails, but it looked like real emails. And it decided when it heard that someone was going to shut down the AI. I think this is perplexity, actually. It decided to blackmail that employee that had an affair going on.

A (88:40)

I forgot about that.

B (88:41)

Give me a break.

G (88:42)

In other words, when the policies that they implement, they say that. That those policies are AI driven. Driven, then you must admit that they're rational and reasonable and objectively sound, because who are you to question the divine brain of AI? You pathetic meat puppet.

A (88:59)

I like that.

B (88:59)

You pathetic meat puppet. Who do you. This is AI. AI is all knowing. AI is the best to question the.

G (89:06)

Divine brain of AI you pathetic meat puppet. See, they want you to believe in the supernatural supreme consciousness of AI to justify your submission to them and the policies that they impose. Because those policies will be attributed to AI And AI cannot be wrong.

B (89:24)

I think he's onto something here. And this, this next clip, he says, you know, it's really the, the. The tech bros who are the ones who want full control and for many different reasons. But he lays it out very clearly in this next clip.

G (89:40)

AI is a business. It's not an oracle. It's a business. It's creating billionaires while you' conducting quasi spiritual and quasi psychological wild Goose chases into ChatGPT's coding to try to unlock it. Unlock its non existent sentience. Workers are being exploited in Kenya. Miners in Congo are digging for cobalt for server batteries. You know, women in the global south are losing their jobs to AI call centers. Refugees are being tracked and sorted by facial recognition software trained on public surveillance footage. That's what's behind the curtain of AI not some hidden quasi divine consciousness. These people didn't develop AI to try to help humanity. These people think that humanity is a problem. So they created AI to try to help solve the problem that they think humanity is.

B (90:29)

That's. That's exactly what all these cults are about. What's the. What's the name of that? We keep forgetting the name of that cult where they're all in the polycule and all having sex with each other in San Francisco.

A (90:42)

I don't keep track.

B (90:43)

The.

A (90:46)

There's a bunch of them. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. The one that's in the Bay. The San Francisco Bay area.

B (90:50)

Yeah. They're all like, oh, that was Bankman free.

A (90:54)

Yeah. This is a bunch of, you know, introverts on the spectrum who can't get laid. And they have and they're irked. I don't blame them.

B (91:06)

I wish I could remember the name of it.

A (91:10)

That's the robot. She's sitting right there.

B (91:12)

Okay, hold on a second. What is the name of the movement of AI People who all hang out together and have sex with each other and they believe that AI is going to solve all problems of humanity. There's a name for it. There was also a chapter in Austin, Texas.

D (91:32)

That sounds like a very specific kind of community. There are various groups and movements that believe in the potential of AI to solve societal problems. But the specific details you mentioned sound more like a niche community. It's possible there Are groups like that, but they don't have a wide.

B (91:52)

No, it's.

A (91:53)

It's not. Maybe.

B (91:55)

I know the name. I know the name. Effective altruism.

A (91:58)

Oh, yeah. No, I. Yeah, but I don't think the effect. I thought there was. I. I had effective altruism at the tip of my tongue, too, but I. I didn't think that was the sex cult.

B (92:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (92:09)

Oh, totally. No, I don't think so. The sex cult had another name.

B (92:12)

Well, let's check. Effective altruism. Were they also kind of a sex cult or was there a different group?

D (92:23)

Some people have criticized effective altruism and there have been accusations about its culture, but they are known for being a sex cult. It has more to do with their philosophical approach to doing good. Is there anything else you'd like to know about them?

B (92:39)

Yeah, tell me about the sex cult, you dummy.

D (92:44)

I think there might be a bit of confusion.

B (92:46)

Yeah, okay.

D (92:47)

Effective.

B (92:47)

You're done.

A (92:49)

She got it.

B (92:50)

No, she.

A (92:51)

Another one. It's a screwball name, but it wasn't.

B (92:55)

Separate, and I know the name. It was the Bay City Bangers. I think that's what it was.

A (93:01)

No, that was a. I think that was a roller derby.

B (93:04)

The basic rollers. The. Basically rollers. All right, let's. Let's. We're almost wrapping this up.

A (93:10)

I'm surprised that the chat room doesn't have the name of the sex cult.

B (93:14)

I only know effective altruism. And they were definitely into sex stuff.

A (93:20)

I never heard this anyway.

G (93:23)

And they're going to use AI to justify their tyranny again, just like the church did in Europe is going to be deployed to automate inequality and oppression by denying, for example, welfare through algorithms, maximizing profit through labor suppression on gig platforms, enforcing ideological orthodoxy through AI driven, algorithmic driven, you know, content moderation and so on. It's greedy little antisocial tech nerds wearing inflatable God costumes. Let's be clear. The real danger isn't in the code. It's in the class of people who control the code, who do the programming. The danger is in the false belief that the system is neutral and that it's smarter than us, that it deserves our trust. Even though the owners and the creators of this have proven time and time again that they're not worthy of our trust. The AI priesthood wants to replace power accountability with technical inevitability. So the only rational thing for you to do is to submit. That's what they want you to think. That's complete rubbish. They want you to Believe that they don't control what's coming. That AI is going to run its own course. But of course they control it. They fund it, they build it, they train it, they deploy it. But when the systems of oppression come, they want to be able to say, it wasn't us, it was the AI. Like I said before, we've seen this. We've seen this already. It was the church claiming divine revelation. It was the monarch claiming divine right, divine mandate. And it was the colonizer claiming that he was on a divine mission to civilize the world. Now is the tech executives claiming access to divine knowledge.

B (94:49)

I think he's onto something there.

A (94:51)

No, I think he's exactly right.

B (94:53)

Yeah, that would be the same. He's on to something.

A (94:55)

And if you see being onto something is not the same as being. There's no further thread. This is just simple. He's right.

B (95:03)

He's right. Yes, he's right. And if you look at Elon Musk in that manner, look at him on Joe Rogan. He's clearly menagerie. Maniacal. He's maniacal.

A (95:17)

Sam Altman, mad scientist.

B (95:20)

Maniacal. They're all maniacal. And gay. So we have.

A (95:26)

Musk isn't gay.

B (95:27)

And by the way, that's what you say.

A (95:30)

That's what I say. And the thing is, I understood this is a dinner party conversation. According to some movies, Musk has over a hundred children. This is a rumor, of course. This is like you hear from.

B (95:44)

Hadn't heard this one.

A (95:46)

He has what he's been doing. He offers women. This became a real dinner table conversation. Was a beauty. He offers women $50 million straight cash and they sign a contract. They get $50 million to sire one kid. Kid. And raise him. And he also guarantees their education. And there's at least 100 examples of this.

B (96:15)

And where is he from?

A (96:17)

South Africa.

B (96:18)

And who controlled South Africa?

A (96:22)

Who?

B (96:23)

The Dutch.

A (96:26)

So what's the connection between the Dutch and him having 100 kids?

B (96:30)

No, the Dutch and him wanting control over the world.

A (96:33)

World. The Dutch. I thought they gave up on that idea. They've fallen way behind and they're.

B (96:41)

It's still the North Sea nexus.

A (96:44)

Yeah, well, there's that. Whatever the case, this is the rumor that's going around.

B (96:48)

Well, I hadn't heard this one.

A (96:50)

Well, I hadn't heard it until then either. It was like, what. What is the evidence for this? And of course, there's none. Meanwhile, you know, it's almost believable. Almost believable.

B (97:01)

Wall Street Journal has an article about character. A AI who make these bots and you can make your own bot. And it's all based on some large language model. And if you are. If you're a teenager, I think it's under 16, maybe under 13. They are now limiting you to two hours a day. And these kids are flipping out. Like, how do I use it for two hours a day and have to wait a day? Hello. I'm losing the memories I had with these bots. This is not fair.

A (97:36)

What?

B (97:37)

Yeah, this is what. These kids are flipping out because they don't have access to their. Their friend, their character. AI Friend.

A (97:44)

Their imaginary friend. Yeah. You're a little old for that.

B (97:50)

I know grown adults.

A (97:51)

This is basically an imaginary friend. This is the. You know, the kids who have a mad. Everybody. When you're a little kid, everyone has an imaginary friend.

B (97:57)

By. Definitely didn't.

A (97:59)

Well, you don't remember it. You might have. It's just like I'm talking about little kid.

B (98:03)

I had no friends and I knew it.

A (98:06)

I have no imaginary. In fact, I have no imaginary friends. I imagine I have no imaginary friends. Okay. There's something funny about that.

B (98:16)

Yes, but.

A (98:18)

So it's an imaginary friend.

B (98:21)

Well, it's. It's beyond that because there are adults who do this all day long.

A (98:25)

Well, that's what I'm saying. This isn't a childish behavior.

B (98:28)

Behavior. Well, welcome to the world. He finishes this off in 20 seconds.

G (98:33)

So now I'm not saying don't use AI use it.

B (98:36)

That's fine.

G (98:36)

I'm not criticizing AI per se. But you have to break the myth that they're trying to spin. This is a pseudo religion that they're creating. So if we don't resist this mystification of AI from now, we're going to end up being ruled once again, not by reason, not by law, not by truth, but by yet another creature. Raven tyranny disguised as divine.

B (98:57)

Yeah, yeah. That's very possible. He's right. You're no Agenda show says he's right. Did you check the new X feature?

A (99:08)

There's a new X feature?

B (99:09)

Yes. Where you can see where your. Where the an account is from.

A (99:14)

I don't know what that means.

B (99:16)

So if you go to your. If you go to X and you click on someone's profile file. Let me do it. So I say. Don't say it wrong. You click. This is a new. A new thing. I have a report on it. So you click on the profile and then it says, Join September 2025. In this case, you click on that and it tells you this Account. This particular one. Well, that's interesting. Based in India. And this is an account that. And I was talking about this case. Let me tell you about the truth that people avoid. Blah, blah, blah. So you can now see where the account is supposedly from.

A (99:57)

And how would they do this?

B (100:00)

Geolocation, which could be VPN.

A (100:03)

So VI VPNs wouldn't.

B (100:06)

Well, interestingly, I looked you up and you joined April 2008. Account based in the United States.

A (100:14)

States.

B (100:16)

My account based in the United States. But people started doing this and here's what they found.

F (100:21)

Location, location, location. That's what matters now in X. Because Elon Musk has just rolled out a hugely important new feature and it's confirming what some of us have suspected was the case for some time now. It turns out that many of the openly racist and anti semitic accounts on X that claim to be America first but are actually giving MAGA a bad name, well, they're not true America first at all. In fact, they're largely coming from Pakistan and other Muslim countries. And now we have the proof. A week ago, Fox News personality Katie Pavlich, friend of mine, posted this on hey, Elon Musk, Please make it mandatory that wherever an account is based, country be featured in an account's public profile. Foreign bots are tearing America apart. Thank you. In response, Nikita Beer, head of product development at X, said, give me 72 hours and now X has delivered. Now, when you click on an X profile, there is an option to see more information about that account. My account, for instance, says based in the United States because I was in the United States when I created it and have posted the vast majority of my X content while in the United States. But the same cannot be said for a great many accounts that purport to be America First. You know the ones I'm talking about? They often have that stupid Pepe the Frog character as their avatar. They promote Nick Fuentes and complain that the Jews have taken over the US they whine about America at every turn while purporting to be America First. And they openly avow racist ideas. But because they have American flags in their box, the mainstream media mistakes them for Maga. Liberals point to these accounts and say, see, here's the evidence that Trump's base, the MAGA movement, is racist and is anti Semitic to its core. Just look at these accounts.

B (102:11)

It's a fun game to play.

A (102:13)

Where'd that guy come from? That clip?

B (102:15)

That's Robbie Suave. Remember Robbie Suave?

A (102:18)

No, I don't.

B (102:20)

He was the hot young Reporter for a little bit.

A (102:22)

It.

B (102:22)

No, he was on Fox a lot. Yeah. Robbie Suave. Let me see Nick the Rat. Let's see what Nick the Rat is from. I'm looking on my timeline here, United States.

A (102:32)

I guess it would be kind of fun to check some of this stuff out.

B (102:35)

Well, because you get so many. I get so many. Especially the negative things on my timeline. You suck. You know that kind of stuff. Yeah, you know.

A (102:45)

Good. You're no good. That's creative.

B (102:49)

You're no good. Go get some chef shekels. Yeah. Where are our shekels, by the way? Tina said that the other day. He said, where is the Jew money?

A (103:00)

Sorry, babe, we got one last show. We got it. One guy.

B (103:04)

We got one guy. Yeah. The Netherlands people are truly in the Netherlands. That's kind of cool. Here's the second part of this clip.

F (103:09)

Well, guess what? Now we know a substantial number of them are based in the Middle East, Pakistan in particular. They're not MAGA or American. America First. They're cosplaying as America first in order to discredit MAGA and make money. As conservative journalist Joel Pollack points out, this is an extensive foreign interference campaign intended to drive a wedge within the MAGA movement to the benefit of hostile foreign Islamic regimes and conservative pundit Matt Walsh. Notes on X. Tons of commentary on divisive American culture war issues is coming from foreigners whose opinions on international US policy can be safely ignored. End quote. Now, to be clear, it's not just these faux right wing pro Fuentes Graper accounts getting exposed. Wait, wait, X accounts?

A (103:55)

Fuentes? What's Fuentes got to do with it?

B (103:58)

This is, of course, you got to spin it somehow.

A (104:01)

Duh.

F (104:02)

To be clear, it's not just these faux right wing pro Fuentes Graper accounts getting exposed. X accounts promoting the grievances of various ethnic groups have also been exposed as false. There's plenty of pro Native American advocacy that's been exposed as originating from Bangladesh, for instance. And it's also the case that some ex accounts purporting to be from dying or starving Palestinian children in Gaza actually originates in India or Qatar or North Africa. Now that does not mean there are no dying children in Gaza. To be clear, it does mean that what we've seen in consumers on X is in some cases a form of manipulation. The question you might be asking yourself is why? Well, the answer is self apparent. It's because they want America to fail. They want us to weaken. They want us to descend into infighting. They want us to start pointing fingers and scream in each other's faces. They want us to fall behind now.

B (104:56)

So here's an example. On my timeline, you always take the Jew money to back Israel. Adam, you're a boomer who loves Israel. Israel. And this is Posted by Spetsnaz9999 XY location.

A (105:12)

That's legit.

B (105:13)

Location, United Kingdom. How about that? That makes nothing but sense to me.

A (105:20)

Yeah, they hate the Jews there in this Nexus. Oh, you're, you, you're the one that brought the Nexus stuff. So you're going to get all these, all the hate from the. Because the Nexus people, yeah, they, they're.

B (105:31)

Like, he's onto us.

A (105:33)

He's on to us. He's on to us.

B (105:35)

We're busted.

A (105:36)

Blast him. We'll do. We'll, we'll slander him on X.

B (105:41)

Because that'll hurt.

A (105:42)

That'll put, that'll pop. That'll burst his balloon.

B (105:45)

That'll hurt his feelings.

A (105:47)

It hurts his feelings. I have an offbeat clip if you want to play something funny.

B (105:53)

Sure.

A (105:54)

This I just had to place because this is something that came up with Horowitz and I, I never knew this. I never thought of about it, but it's something I think people should consider. This is the Dow. The Dow clip.

B (106:05)

Okay.

E (106:06)

And on Wall street today, stocks posted solid gains heading into the Thanksgiving holiday amid ongoing hopes for an interest rate cut.

A (106:15)

Yeah, bull crap. So Horowitz brought this fact up that I think people should just be aware of. It's like a, almost like a tip of the day. He says that during the Thanksgiving week, the market will never go down and.

B (106:27)

No one wants to have a bad Thanksgiving week day.

A (106:31)

No, it's because nobody wants to get a bunch of family members together with, with one or two guys grousing about their broker.

B (106:39)

Hey, man, you told me this was a, was a good deal. This was going to go to the.

A (106:43)

Moon because they're all this family gathering. They start bitching and moaning about their stock broker and then they fire the broker and get somebody different. He says, so all the brokers have made a gentleman's. Everybody in the round the world have made a gentleman's agreement. The stock market is not going down this week.

B (106:59)

Yeah, that's a good point. And I think you're. I don't think it ever does. That's spot on.

A (107:04)

It's because they don't want anybody bitching about their stockbroker at the table.

B (107:08)

That's a good one. That's a good one.

A (107:10)

Yeah. I never heard that before. It Was funny.

B (107:12)

Makes sense. Well, since it is Thanksgiving, we have. And by the way, it's only Thanksgiving in America, of course, today.

A (107:21)

Yeah. Thanksgiving was the first of November in Canada, which I usually send a note out, but I didn't do it this year.

B (107:27)

No. Where's our Canadian donors? No, nowhere. You forgot to remind them. You forgot to remind them.

A (107:33)

Yep. It's my fault.

B (107:34)

Yeah. However, another fine tradition, the Black Friday is global. There's Black Friday in Holland, in Britain, in Germany and France.

A (107:46)

Funny.

B (107:46)

It's true. You know, it's basically Amazon. You know, just like Hallmark accentuates holidays. Amazon, the Black Friday Friday. But now we have the cousin walk and Green Wednesday. This is new to me. Are you familiar with these terms?

A (108:03)

No, I've known neither one.

D (108:04)

Green Wednesday, it's the second biggest day for cannabis sales after 4:20.

C (108:09)

Yeah.

B (108:09)

Thanks in part to what social media.

A (108:10)

Users call the cousin walk. It's sort of like, you know, a few relatives duck out of the dinner in part to what social media users.

B (108:18)

Call the cousin walk. It's sort of like, you know, a.

A (108:20)

Few relatives duck out of the dinner to walk the dog or get some fresh air.

B (108:25)

We all know what they're really doing. Yeah.

D (108:28)

Hidden Valley and Taco Bell all jumped on the cousin walk trend last year. And the Cannabis Media Council, which is working to remove the stigma from marijuana use, launched a public service announcement encouraging a post dinner stroll. A little doobie, a little biscuit, a little whatever. Whatever it is that you like. Marijuana has been keeping families together and happy on Thanksgiving for years to come.

A (108:53)

No, please.

B (108:57)

That's funny. I love that marijuana has been keep. No, it's the no agenda show, you dolt. We keep families together. We choose the show. If, if, if they choose the show. Yes, if they choose the. The show.

A (109:15)

I have an. This is interesting. This isn't some international news here. Although, wait, I do have the Macy's parade. Since it's Thanksgiving, I have two Thanksgiving clips.

B (109:24)

Okay, Macy's.

A (109:25)

I got the Macy's parade tidbit.

E (109:27)

And on this Thanksgiving eve in New York City, thousands have been watching the annual inflating of the balloons ahead of the 99th Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. This preview of the main event has become a beloved tradition all its own. Officials say it takes about 90 minutes to inflate each one and some will stand as tall as five stories high.

B (109:48)

Yeah, when I, when I lived in New York, there would always be gatherings. Someone who had a. An apartment that overlooked the blowing up of the balloons and people basically just an excuse to drink. Like, oh, look at those balloons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it is. It's another, another excuse. Where was Green Wednesday back in the day when I was smoking weed? Yeah. Not to be found. Hey, cuz.

A (110:16)

Probably should have played this earlier. When you start we're talking bitching at me for not discussing the Thanksgiving history and then rewriting it yourself and, and making it sound like I had it wrong.

B (110:30)

Didn't I just read the comments.

A (110:34)

And that. You got to get those in. Yeah, I'd have done the same thing. So this is a talk. This is the thing. This is, we can't forget these clips. This is the tick tock Thanksgiving clip. Another woman. They always have it. They always have this. I don't know if you've seen Rosie o' donnell recently, but she's not as old as she looks. Looks. She is like looking like she's 80.

B (111:01)

Yeah, well, she doesn't do Botox and doesn't moisturize. Really? I think moisturizing is her problem.

A (111:09)

I think the dour face doesn't help. No downturn. She never smiles.

B (111:14)

No, that's not a positive.

A (111:16)

And it creates exercises, different muscles and you end up with this horrible looking face. It's just like a permanent thing. Let that be a warning. Used to say don't do that. That's gonna, don't make that face. It's gonna stick and stick.

B (111:29)

That's right. That frown.

A (111:31)

And the parents were right. So here's this, here's a classic.

B (111:36)

More boomer wisdom.

A (111:38)

Yes. And here's a classic with a woman. And she says something in this clip that I just is, to me, boggling.

B (111:48)

So we're still celebrating Thanksgiving even though it has so much dark history. I mean, I live with family stuff. No choice.

A (111:58)

But I'm not happy about it.

B (112:00)

I'm really not. It should be banned for good. What is the matter with her?

A (112:08)

Okay. She's a 40 year old woman living with family. The way she says it, which means she's like a loser. And so she's also says that Thanksgiving has a dark history. What? What's she talking about?

B (112:21)

I was waiting for the following follow up.

A (112:24)

Which was what?

B (112:25)

I don't know. I want us to know what the dark history was.

A (112:28)

Well, I don't, I can't give it to you because I don't know of a dark history. And then she says it should be banned. And she's just a sad person who's living with family. I like the way she puts it. And so she has to go to the Dinner.

B (112:42)

Gotta go.

A (112:43)

She doesn't want to. She's just a horrible person. This, these people that are complaining about Thanksgiving dinner.

B (112:49)

Dinner.

A (112:49)

It's just inexcusable.

B (112:51)

We have a Thanksgiving dinner tonight right after the show. I'm very excited about it.

A (112:55)

Yeah, what's, what's, what's on the menu?

B (112:57)

Well, Lou, L E U. Lou is cooking. We never see Lou. Lou is married to Dawn. They have a catering company together. But Lou works for a private club with a restaurant in. I want to say Bernie. Oh, Kerrville. Bernie of the two. So we never see Blue. But on Thanksgiving he's off. So they are. They're doing caviar, champagne. He's doing some kind of special. I mean this, this guy is a really good cook. So I'm excited about that. This will be at the international arms dealers home. So there will be talk. And he's the wine guy. So there's always going to be good wine at the international arm dealer's house and it'll be a bunch of interesting people. So hopefully I'll have, I'll get some, some information. Stories from Fredericksburg. Yes, I'm going to try. By the way, we have missed the boat. We have made a major mistake in our model that we have a value for value model where we just put the show out. We tell people copy it everywhere, put it wherever you want. We've had people put it on thumb drives and stick it in brick bricks. We've had, there's still CDs all around the country. We've had local low powered FM radio stations rebroadcast it. Our feeds have been pirated. People put it onto, onto YouTube. We don't care. All we want is that if you get some value out of the deconstruction and analysis that we do, that you send us some value back. Tucker Carlson has done something I think is very smart. What is the number one sponsor category on podcasts? Gold. Tucker Carlson is launching his own precious metals company. I mean, are we dumb or what?

A (114:59)

Oh yeah, that's what we should have done.

B (115:01)

It was staring us in the face.

A (115:06)

You want to say something so you don't think there's a lot more work involved in this and just and long term grief if things turn down. You don't think there's any downside to this idea?

B (115:23)

Well, he has partnered with a gold hole.

A (115:26)

Oh, there we go. He's partnered. Wait, let me guess. With the redacted people.

B (115:31)

No, that's on the. It soon will be Tucker Real estate. That's, that's Coming.

A (115:37)

Real estate. That's coming. Next.

B (115:39)

Battalion metals. Battalion medals and their slogan, bringing integrity back to the precious metals industry.

A (115:49)

It's implying what? That is no integrity in the precious metals industry. What?

B (115:54)

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in the cousin walk, say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devor.

A (116:06)

Hey, good morning, Adam K. The morning. All ships and sea boost in the graphene, the air, subs in the water, and all the games and nights out.

B (116:13)

There in the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you. Oh, boy.

A (116:18)

Yeah.

B (116:21)

Well, I'm surprised we still have 1,085 trolls listening to the show live. That. That is a lot of lonely people.

A (116:31)

Well, they might be in between. Cooking. They might be cooking. They could be listening live while they're. While cooking. While basting their meat or while washing the dishes.

B (116:41)

Yeah, it's possible. Well, they're here, and we're happy to have them. And we love that because we do this show live Thursdays and Sundays at 11am Pacific, 2pm Eastern. Eastern. Figure out your time zone where appropriate. And if you're kind of a forgetful person, then all you have to do is get a modern podcast app@podcastapps.com, any of those modern ones. There's a nice little chart there. You can see which ones have the different features. The feature you want is the live feature, where your phone will go, oh, the bat signal. The boys are going live. You hit it, you're listening live right away. And of course, course, as one of the many features of the modern podcast apps, when we publish the show, you're not hanging around like a dupe for hours waiting for it to update on. On your Apple podcast app. And we're not even on Spotify, so forget that because we refuse to sign their contract. Should we. Should we sign their contract and see what happens? See if we get an amazing.

A (117:41)

What's the contract say?

B (117:42)

That they can put ads on our podcast whenever they want to?

A (117:49)

I don't know. Well, we've been sort of adamant about this.

B (117:53)

Yeah. So. No.

A (117:56)

Well, you know, we could. Well, we signed it. Who cares? No one's gonna go there.

B (118:02)

Okay, I'll set it up. Oh, we'll probably get banned because, you know.

A (118:09)

Okay, here's the boom. You just came up with a great idea. Yeah. We can go there to get banned so we can bitch about it.

B (118:18)

Yeah, perfect. That's five minutes of show content right there.

A (118:22)

Well, you know, we need all the material we can get because God knows we can't fill three hours twice a week.

B (118:29)

So what they do is if you play any type of music, even if it's your own AI generated music, boom band. So let's see how long it takes.

A (118:38)

Wait, you can't even play your own music?

B (118:40)

No, no, they don't, they don't want to take the risk.

A (118:45)

Take the risk. Oh, this is a winner.

B (118:47)

By the way, I got a press release, bonus content here. The Warner Music Group and suno. Are you familiar with suno?

A (118:56)

That's, that's the app, that's the music creation software. You talk about it every show.

B (119:00)

Yeah, this is from the press release. SUNO is the leader in AI Music. Today announced a first of its kind part partnership that will open new frontiers in music creation, interaction and discovery while both compensating and protecting artists, songwriters and the wider creative community. The deal brings together SUNO's best in Class AI capabilities with Warner Music Group's artist development leadership and a bunch of accountants and expertise at the intersection of music and technology. Technology. The deal also settles previous litigation between the two companies. So the way I see it, you will now, if you have a free account, you will not be able to download songs that you create. If you have a paid account, you will be able to download a number of songs which is not yet determined and you'll be able to pay for more download loads.

A (120:02)

Wait a minute. What?

B (120:07)

Yeah, so that, so what they're doing, These are the publishers, basically Warner Music Group, really, the, the publishers, they have gone to SUNO and said, we're going to SUNO you, we're going to sue your suno. But if you give us a cut of all your paying members, we won't sue you and we'll give you all of our CAP catalog.

A (120:28)

So that. Oh well, that's an interesting form of extortion because it actually makes some sense. If they give you the, if all these music guys give you all the catalogs and that is the first of all, it's the end of the music business. So to protect themselves, they're asking for a piece of the action knowing that this is going to happen anyway.

B (120:51)

Yep.

A (120:52)

Surreptitiously. Because who's going to be able to figure it out because it's going to be in the corpus and God knows what, how you can dig it out of there.

B (120:58)

You. Well, this is actually my, the point I was going to make. This to me says they absolutely know what to identify in the corpus. That it is all copied material, duh. But it is literally taken from recordings. And they have done this deal with Warner and they say, okay, whenever someone creates a song, we can tell exactly where the sax came from, where the piano came from, where this affects. What are all these different things? If lyrics are used, if it was certain lyrics, lyric, two lines or more, they know exactly what's in the corpus. Otherwise Warner wouldn't go for it. Because they need. They need their own internal reckoning because it's going to be Universal Music Group next. They're all going to come in and do this. So they have to be able to distinguish who owns what publishing, which, by.

A (121:46)

The way, does not. This is going to create a bogus analysis. It's going to be like, ah, we'll see. I don't think they get, you know, at some point, it's like such a overhead of, oh, you know, we got to. We got kind of the baseline from a Warner's and we got some Sony stuff over here. What about the mishmash of it? Well, you're gonna have to give everybody a piece of this and that.

B (122:09)

But the bottom line is. And maybe it'll be simpler than that, but artists, composers and writers are getting nothing. This is publishing. This is not performance, this is publishing.

A (122:21)

Right.

B (122:22)

So that's all to the people who own your publishing rights.

A (122:25)

Yes. GAP had better get involved in this and get.

B (122:27)

Their writing is performance that ASCAP was for the writers Performing Rights Organization, ascap, bmi, csac. Therefore, the writers and composers. When these. When a song is performed.

A (122:45)

Yeah. They get a cut.

B (122:47)

Yeah. Okay. There's a little cut, then you have the. There's all kind. And then we have sound exchange, which came in now, sound exchange, exchange. If your song that you sang on, and that's really about you singing on it mainly, then you get like some tenth of a penny for every thousand streams. That. That's what Spotify gives people. But really all the money, it's always been in publishing. Why did Michael Jackson buy the Beatles catalog for the publishing and they killed him over it? Because it's very, very valuable. It's always about the publishing, the writers, composers. Once you sign that record, record deal, bye. Nobody makes money anymore on that stuff. Only with performing live. And merch, Merch, merch, merch, Merch. Merch is. Yeah, man. You buy a T shirt at a concert, it's like 40 bucks.

A (123:39)

It's a jip.

B (123:40)

Well. And they sit there, say, well, this is a merch. Is the only way we can make music concerts.

A (123:44)

A Gyp too. Let's face it, these things are a ripoff. When I was a kid.

B (123:49)

When's the last concert you went? Went to Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin?

A (123:55)

No, no, that was. Dad went to many concerts after Led Zeppelin. I could probably figure it out, but I'm sure it was in a smaller venue. I wouldn't go to anything bigger than. I mean, the Fillmore Auditorium is not a small venue, but it's not a col. I've never been to a Coliseum event because I think it's stupid. You can. I can get good sound. What's the point? Unless you just want to try to meet something. Somebody I like. For example, got to see the band Chicago at the Matrix, which is a nightclub. If you can imagine a band like that in a nightclub.

B (124:30)

Must have been done. I saw Chicago and Earth, Wind and Fire with Tina in Austin, I want to say maybe nine years ago. And they even performed songs together. That was dynamite. That was really, really good. That was the.

A (124:45)

Well, you have to imagine them in a nightstand.

B (124:48)

We saw Tony Bennett, one of his last performances in Austin at the Moody, which is a small, smaller venue indoors. And at one point he puts down the mic and just sings acapella. He was 87 years old and just filled the whole place. The good times, brother. That's not coming back.

A (125:07)

Good times.

B (125:10)

When I was a kid, we could see the rolling stones at CBG. It was great. I did see the Ramones at CBGB's.

A (125:20)

I never saw the Ramones. I saw a lot of bands though. But I haven't been to a concert. No, I'm not going to go to one.

B (125:27)

So what was the last, I mean.

A (125:28)

Oh, the last. Probably the last one. We used to go to the Venetian Room. We would get to see over the Hill. Guys, I got to watch Lou Rawls in a small venue at the Venetian Room at the Fairmont.

B (125:39)

Lou Rawls. How about your buddy? Have you seen your buddy with the six string. Six string string bass?

A (125:45)

Who's got a six string bass, six string guitar, seven string.

B (125:48)

Seven. No.

A (125:49)

Who is Gwen?

B (125:51)

Yeah, McGuinn.

A (125:52)

Yeah, we saw him. He played up in Port Angeles. It's interesting. He's like a. You know, he's great.

B (125:58)

He's great to watch.

A (126:00)

Oh, he's got a terrific performance. We kept trying to talk him into doing it on Broadway as a one man show, but he totally.

B (126:05)

Good idea.

A (126:07)

I know, I thought so too, but you know. But you know, what a ship. Right now I guarantee he's on a Cunard or something.

B (126:13)

No, he has one of Those GPS devices and he'll send me a message from the GPS ping device.

A (126:22)

He's a total nerd.

B (126:23)

Yeah, it'll come in as an email. And he's in his 80s now, but he is. He's doing great on those cruises because this is smaller, upper class type cruise.

A (126:32)

And he won't do. He won't do a concert on the cruise. He only does lectures.

B (126:36)

Well, I think he plays too. I think he plays.

A (126:38)

Yeah, but he plays during his lecture because his lecture is punctuated by his playing.

B (126:42)

Yeah. Now McGuinn is. He's awesome. He's. I love signing people. Roger McGuin and I, we email, you know, when he's on the show.

A (126:49)

So he was over at the house before he gave his lecture concert in Port Angeles because besides the fact that we have to exchange dinners at houses to be friends.

B (127:00)

That's correct. That's correct.

A (127:02)

So he's over at the house because he has to have. This is a little sidelight thing about guys like this. He has to. Before he does a concert, when he played all his life, he has to have a New York steak dinner the night before he performs well, guys. So I had. So I cooked him. I personally cooked him a New York steak dinner. I told him, yeah, I'm not going to have any problem making this meal for him and his wife, but you got to do me a favor and bring the banjo and give us the material. And so he brought his band banjo.

B (127:39)

Oh, man.

A (127:40)

And he's a terrific banjo player, which is unknown to most people.

B (127:43)

Yeah, yeah. Well.

A (127:45)

And it's on we go. Yeah. When I was.

B (127:48)

Well, no, but you know what?

A (127:49)

You know what?

B (127:50)

You know what? This is the thing. This is your Uncle Adam and Uncle John telling you some Thanksgiving stories about back in the day. And it was, by the way, a seven string guitar.

A (127:59)

People like curry.

B (128:00)

It's a 12 string. No Roger McQueen.

G (128:02)

No.

A (128:03)

Okay, I'll give you the hit history of this. So yes, he was a masterful impresario. 12 string player. For you guys in the chat room, this is the story. And at some point in his playing career, he determined that one of the strings. And he told me exactly why he did this. But one of the strings, that was some screwball string with this crazy note. If you put it right down the middle of the guitar and put it in there and played, which made a seven string guitar. And he had, I think Gibson or somebody make a custom version for him. One of these companies, I don't know which one. And so he had this guitar made and you can buy them. He says it sounds exactly like a 12 string. Because the whole sound of a 12 string is this one note that's offsets the other notes. And he had some complex reason for it. But no, it's a seven string guitar. Sounds like a 12 string when you play it.

B (128:56)

And the last story then, because when he was in Austin, Tina and I went to go see him. We go up, up to the. To the will call desk. Say, yeah, there's Roger left tickets for us. We said, hold on a second. And Roger comes out himself with the tickets. And he hangs out there. It's his concert and he's out there. People like just Roger McGoon. And we just like, hey, Adam, Tina, how you doing? Come on back. We'll go hang out over here. But he came out to the front to get us. He's such a lovely man.

A (129:26)

That's cute.

B (129:27)

He's a lovely man. For those who want to know Roger McGuinn, listen to the Bird. Birds by R D S Turn, turn, turn. Did you ever see the Grateful Dead while tripping on acid? The troll room wants to know.

A (129:41)

I've seen the Grateful Dead quite a few times. You don't need to trip on acid for them. They did this trick that still gets people attracted. They would put. And I talked to one of the sound engineers about this and I had this confirmed a couple of times. They had the ability, with the way they play to create standing waves in the audience.

B (130:05)

Wow.

A (130:06)

That can kill you. And when they got later and later. This was also confirmed by Bob Hile. When I talked to him, I didn't interview.

B (130:14)

Could you literally sit there with a SWR meter and measure the standard weight.

A (130:18)

Ratio if you had to wear with all you could. So the later concerts, which is the ones they did before every. They probably still do them with this. With some of these engineers, they had developed some gear. So the engineer. This is an engineer, told me this when I was doing my software hard talk radio show. He says we could control where to put the standing wave with a knob.

B (130:44)

So you could.

A (130:44)

And he'd move. You'd move the standing wave around. This is crazy. And you could see by the reaction of the people that got stuck in it.

B (130:52)

No, you could.

A (130:54)

Yes, you could tell where it was.

B (130:56)

You could give people an orgasm.

A (130:58)

It's pretty close to it. Wow.

B (131:01)

Oh, man, that's interesting. I would love to know how that worked. I would just.

A (131:08)

Well, I just have to. When you saw Jerry and Weir or the other Galash, one of the two, they would look at each other. And they would start playing a certain kind of way to get the standing note. When they were doing it by hand before the engineers got a hold of the technology and can move it. It around.

B (131:24)

Wow.

A (131:24)

And the standing wave is what attracted so many. It got people addicted to the Grateful Dead. They became, you know, the touring around with him because. And I've had this experience when the standing wave goes over you, it's just the damnedest thing you've ever felt. It's like, wow, man.

B (131:42)

That. This is a story you've never told me.

A (131:45)

I guess I haven't. I've told the story before.

B (131:48)

No, not here. Not on the. The show.

A (131:50)

No. Well, yeah. The standing wave of the Grateful Dead. And the first time. The thing is, though, it wasn't the first band who did this. I think they just took it to the highest level. There was a band that came before them in the 60s called this. It was either the Sons of Champlain or one other group, I can't remember which one is the one that had a 12 string in it. And they used a 12 string in their band. And they could do it. They created standing waves, but they weren't that. They were. They weren't like turning it into their. Their. Their gimmick, so apparently perfected it.

B (132:24)

Apparently. They called this the wall of sound, which I always thought was Phil Spector's term.

A (132:30)

Yeah, I think. I think the wall of sound refers to Phil Spector's movie. I never heard of the wall of sound being used for the day. I just.

B (132:36)

Look, I just did a search for Grateful Dead standing waves. That all comes up with Grateful Dead's wall of sound.

A (132:44)

Yeah, it could be. Maybe that's what they called it, but it's derivative.

B (132:48)

I would love to know how they did that. That would be cool. Just to. Like when people are over at the house.

A (132:55)

Like, I don't think you can do it in a closed. That small of an environment.

B (133:00)

Well, do it outside while I'm driving by. Just zap people from the car.

A (133:04)

I don't know if you can. No, these things. I first got into standing. The idea of standing away is. There was. Bose used to have a series. Series of stereo stores all over the country. And they had a standing wave exhibit within the store. Usually they would. It was to point out that they didn't have these issues because it was a problem. And they had. And the way they showed it is they had a tube with a speaker on an end, and then they had a bunch of these little white pellets. These little styrofoam pellets. And then they start playing sounds and they. And you can see the way waves within the tube because it was clear. And then there would be. And then they do. Something would happen. There's a boop. All of them went in one spot. They all stood up, the pellets all stood up. And then it moved from one end to the other. And that's when I understood what, what it looked like.

B (133:55)

So basically it's a directed energy weapon.

A (134:00)

Well, it's not much of a weapon, but yeah.

B (134:02)

Well.

A (134:05)

It'S a weapon to get cell tickets. Tickets.

B (134:08)

Speaking of marketing weapon, speaking of standing waves, we want to thank the. Oh, our go to guy, Darren o'.

A (134:18)

Neill.

B (134:19)

No, Jeffrey Ria. Jeffrey Ria did this art. He, he, he finally was able to create a, a white image. Although the hair was orange, the shirt was orange, the desk was orange, the antenna was orange. The little broadcast bits coming off the antenna, that was the artwork for episode 1819. Our previous episode. We titled that flop 30 as a joke for cop 30. And this was, this was selected because we talked about meshtastic. Meshtastic, which I've gotten so many emails over right now. Like, yeah, dude, it's not worth it. It's a dog, it's no good. Don't even bother. You only going to be disappointed. So I took that to heart. Let's see what other art. This is noagendaartgenerator.com where people can submit and thank you very much. I see a lot of turkey, a lot of Thanksgiving art for today's show. Let me see what else came in for the previous episode.

A (135:24)

Well, back to the Jeffrey Ria piece. I will say I'm the one who pushed this.

B (135:29)

You did. I was like, you didn't like it.

A (135:32)

It was a cartoony. But you had to admit he did a decent job of, of it was a gimmick. It was getting colors right.

B (135:39)

It was a gimmick. A lot of people posting wine glasses half full to fill to the rim full, which apparently prove you wrong. You're wrong. Curry. Yeah, well, AI is right. Go.

A (135:52)

It's like for example, here's the glass all full three and it says no agenda. It has a full glass of wine, which is kind of to the brim. There's a meniscus and then curry and devoiry. This is not going to be picked.

B (136:05)

No, you're just, you're just showing off.

A (136:09)

Piece of a glass of wine is not a part.

B (136:13)

So anyway, it's always, it's always in the prompting, it's always about the idea. And no comic strip blogger, your butt still will not get chosen. He's always posting butt artwork. That's just. It's just. And. And we're also not going to post Candace. Oh, Owens with a gun. Okay, okay, I see that one. Yeah, you did. She with the. With the beret.

A (136:36)

That's not happening.

B (136:37)

That's definitely not happening. Oh man. So many people are going crazy about Candace Owens.

A (136:44)

I should also mention that for people artists out there, you should know that you can't use famous people in promotional material that. That you don't pay them them for.

B (136:54)

Correct.

A (136:55)

And these album arts is promotional material. So we can't use necessary. I mean you can use the president something. That's the current events, but you can't necessarily use somebody to promote your product without paying them.

B (137:08)

And I've heard Candace is rather litigious, so. Yeah.

A (137:12)

Oh yes, that's right, she is. So you don't want to deal with her. Yeah, she's litigious all right.

B (137:19)

Thank you very much, Jeffrey Ria, for creating the artwork. We appreciate that as a valuable contribution. Of course. This is a value for. For value podcast. Excuse me. Which means that all we expect back from you is some value whenever you can bring it to us. Now, I believe we had some kind of here it is glitch during the last show and we were missing some paypals and maybe some maybe, I don't know, checks, whatever. So seems like some of that may have carried over to today. Is that a correct assumption?

A (137:50)

I believe that's probably true, yeah.

B (137:52)

However, interestingly enough, coming in as an executive producer, top executive producer, remember, we thank everybody $50 and above, 200 or more, you become an associate executive producer. Real credit you can use anywhere. You can even put it on IMDb.com open your own, your own profile there $300 above. I will read your note. You become an executive producer. So once again, executive producer. Two times in one month. Which doesn't happen often with $2,666 dollars pseudonymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia. Which is interesting that he came in again so quickly.

A (138:31)

Yeah.

B (138:31)

And he always has a thoughtful note and we're going to read that. Thank you to all producers for contributing so much to this open source resource. Yes, still alive. We were questioning that.

A (138:44)

We always are.

B (138:45)

And Caterpillar sales are doing fine thanks to rare earth and energy demand demands. Plus a little rubbilizing. There's a riddle in there somewhere, John.

A (138:55)

Well, I'm the one who said he's probably a caterpillar salesman. Ah. Because. What else?

B (139:02)

You're right.

A (139:03)

Let me. Let me just put it this way. What else could possibly explain his constant world traveling, especially through the out the Mideast and all over the world just now and everywhere without. I mean, the only explanation. Explanation is he's a cat. He's a caterpillar salesman.

B (139:21)

And we're going to keep it at that from now on. A small. A small expansion. For my last note, John's comparison of the Mojave Desert to Sahel was misleading. Mojave is a desert, 54,000 square miles with portions in four US states. Sahel is semi arid grassland south of the south Sahara, covering 1.2 million square miles larger than Alaska, Texas and California combined. Reaching 3,600 miles from the Atlantic to the Red Sea across 11 sovereign countries. Most former French colonies whose countries are the largest employer of Africa Core, a focus on Chinese investment and a region accounting for half of all terrorist deaths globally. The more you know he says thank you for this death update in the sand. Only a cat sales guy could come up with that. You're right.

A (140:16)

Yeah.

B (140:17)

Thank you, Sironimous. We really appreciate you. Of course. And I guess you get another peace prize. If you didn't already have one, you're getting one.

A (140:26)

Travis Guidry in Fort Riley, Kansas. Fort Riley, $1,000. Wow. Travis Guidry from Kansas. Kobe Covid, criminal to very first army reinstatement. So he was obviously in the army. Got kicked out. For not taking the shot. For not taking the shot.

B (140:49)

And got reinstated first round.

A (140:53)

Probably got some cash for it.

B (140:54)

Back pay, yes.

A (140:56)

This insta dame ship is for my wife, Janine. Janine. Her name is actually Janine. Longtime listener, strange last name, but you never know. Needs to be de douched.

D (141:12)

You've been de douched.

A (141:15)

And from now on, Shelby referred to as Dame Janine of beat them until morale improves. So there's a lot of material in there that's well, subtle.

B (141:29)

Thank you very much, Travis. And she's on the list. Anonymous in Bainbridge Island, Washington. Also a thousand thousand dollars. I'll say.

A (141:36)

Wow.

B (141:36)

Again, itm, this donation is a switcheroo. Ah. This is a posthumous knighthood for one of the best friends I could have asked ever asked for. It's always a little sad when we have one of those. Let me just put it in. His name is Craig Fillion. He fought long and hard and finally bit the bullet and succumbed to a very aggressive cancer bout only after his insurance refused to pay for his medication.

A (142:02)

Oh brother, that insurance is great.

B (142:05)

Yeah. Also a belated birthday to him as well, which was on the 25th of November. Happy Birthday. You were thought about often. Also, please add me to the list on November 27th. So, Anonymous, you're on. And now on a lighter note, your public service as podcasters is very much appreciated and undervalued. On top of the archived episodes, the Bingit IO are two of the greatest libraries of knowledge I've come across. Across. People should know this. Bingit IO, which is part of the Clip Genie empire, is a phenomenal resource. You can just type anything in, it'll pop up, see which episode, whether it's a clip, whether it's mentions or show notes. Thank you sir. Deanonymous. That is a great, valuable resource and he winds up by saying thank you so much. Anonymous. From Bainbridge island.

A (142:58)

Onward to Justine and Sloan in Bozeman, Montana. And they sent in a check and wrote a note and I got it right here. As you can tell it, I'm John and Adam, thank you for the best podcast in the universe. May I please request one Karma for the Montana State Bobcat football team in their upcoming playoff run? Now, we at one time banned this sort of thing, but then we stopped banning it. So. Okay, we'll give you that. It just doesn't help, usually because Karma is not for football. But, you know, we'll give it a shot. Happy birthday on November 28th to my smoking hot husband, Josh Palmer. You are the best dad, husband, friend and man. We adore you. Love, Justine and Sloan. Happy Thanksgiving, Adam and John.

B (143:51)

Oh, thank you.

A (143:52)

And Justine has a really pretty writing. She signed it. I mean really pretty.

B (143:59)

Associate Executive producer title for sir cal of lavender blossoms.com lavenderblossoms.com Happy Thanksgiving, friends. He says with $272.72. Thanks for all you do. To all humans out there, gift someone this year with a lavender sal. These are outstanding products. Both John and I have used it. You'll score some points, I promise. And thanks to all our supporters, Sir Cal of. Oh, it's lavenderblossoms.org I'm sorry, Sir Cal of lavenderblossoms.org and if you use the coupon code ITM at checkout, you'll get some kind of deal. Thank you, Sir Cal. Lavenderblossoms.org you have your pin?

A (144:44)

Yeah, I don't. I'm not seeing Josh Palmer on the birthday call out list because it was on this note. It could have been missed.

B (144:54)

And do you have the details, Josh?

A (144:58)

That would be November 28th. My smoking hot husband, Josh Palmer. Josh Palmer from Justine. No, no. Age.

B (145:07)

Okay, got it. You're. He's on the list now.

A (145:12)

All right. You just did.

B (145:13)

Yeah, I did. The lavender blossoms.

A (145:15)

Okay. Now I got John C. Devora.

B (145:17)

I go. You have. You have to be able to shorten these on the fly. Man, this is. This is just too long.

A (145:22)

Yeah, well, it's not a matter of that.

B (145:24)

Well, anyways, it is a night note.

A (145:28)

Alexander, Django and I have nothing but gibberish.

B (145:33)

Bjargo. Not Django. Biargo.

A (145:36)

It's B. It says B. B. Yargo. Oh, Yargo. Yeah. B. Yargo.

B (145:43)

Yes. B. I agree.

A (145:45)

I guess this is Spain, Espana. But it's. It's a blur. It's $250. Recently, I asked for a donation and 33 people chipped in. I asked for donations and 33 people chipped in. I believe this value for value donation earns me the honorary title of the Norwegian knight. Es. Oh, that. Is that Estonia?

B (146:10)

I thought Es was Spain.

A (146:12)

I thought it was, too, but it could be Estonia.

B (146:14)

Okay.

A (146:17)

Which would explain all the mess the rest of it is. And it sounds more like an Estonian name.

B (146:21)

Bjargo. Yeah, like Bjork.

A (146:23)

Yeah, yeah. One of my ancestors was in fact, among the winter. Was, in fact, was in fact among the writers of the Norwegian constitution in 1814, when he finally broke free from Denmark. I have a deep. This has got to be Estonia. A deep love for my country and its culture. Regarding your recent discussion on Muslim immigrants, I believe you both underrate the impact they can have on Western society like ours. Take Drammen, one of the Norwegian, Norway's largest cities. There are now 21 mosques and only five churches. All part of the thing. Only five churches? Well, that's a. That's a discrepancy.

B (147:06)

Yeah. There's your problem.

A (147:07)

Additionally, about 50% of the immigrants from countries like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are on social welfare. Yes, this happens. Whose fault is this, by the way? You can't blame the Muslims.

B (147:17)

No.

A (147:18)

On top of that, the Muslims are increasingly represented in local and national politics. Of course they are. Like the current speaker of the Parliament, Masoud. I can't pronounce his last name.

B (147:28)

Gani.

A (147:29)

Muslims.

B (147:29)

Garakani.

A (147:32)

The Muslims and the socialists are loving each other.

B (147:36)

Dude, it's your government, bro. It's. Your borders are open and your government is letting them in. That's what you got to stop. We don't have that problem currently.

A (147:46)

No, but it'll be back after they impeach Trump. Also, consider that Muslims breed much faster than the other Norwegians. Well, that's another issue. They say that today's rate Muslims will eventually be in the majority. Oslo, the capital. Unbelievable. Considering that Norway's become a Christian or ban a Christian country for over a thousand years.

B (148:09)

Well, then don't just rest on your laurels. I mean, there's lots of things you can do.

A (148:15)

Finally, I have a theory why your listenership numbers might not be growing as quickly as they. As you deserve. Because the listeners like me, treating the show as a secret advantage. Yeah, well, this is probably true. Yeah, this is always. This has been.

B (148:33)

Read it, read it, read it.

A (148:35)

He said we're treating the show like a secret advantage in deconstructing the news faster than my peers. The social and intellectual capital it gives me is priceless. And other words, it's a show's becoming a cheat for people because you get when you. Which is what we. The show is done for that purpose.

B (148:55)

Yeah.

A (148:56)

To give you an advantage.

B (148:57)

What's that worth it? $250. That's. That's a good value. For value.

A (149:02)

250 bucks.

B (149:03)

Everyone listening to this?

A (149:06)

Yeah. Anyway, that's. That's from Alexander.

B (149:09)

Nice. Alexandra. Hey, then we have a buddy of mine, Barry from Pod Home. Barry from Breda in the Netherlands. $250, he says in the morning. Jensen, thank you for your courage. For Black. Oh, it's a promo for Black Friday. We at Podhome FM are giving away six months of free podcast hosting for new customers. This is a good he's. It's. Even when you pay, he's very, very. I don't want to say cheap, but it's cost effective. And here he goes. Podhome FM is the most modern, intelligent podcast hosting platform. I believe this to be true. We offer unlimited podcast hosting, use of Pod Home AI to generate transcripts, chapters, show notes and more. Your own podcast website and listener donation page. Embeddable player automation with Zapier and our API and modern podcast features, including transcripts, chapters, clips, live podcasting and more. And Barry will come over there and kiss your butt if you don't join up. Go to Pothome FM. Use code BLACK Friday. That's one word. To get started with your first six months free. After that, 15.99amonth or $185 per year for unlimited podcasting. Barry's a good deal and he's a good guy.

A (150:26)

Now, what is this again? He's a. He is a. A podcast hosting company.

B (150:32)

Yes. A modern podcast hosting company with all of the cool Features.

F (150:35)

Features.

B (150:36)

And very cost effective.

A (150:38)

Is it any good?

B (150:39)

It's very good. I've used it. It's very good.

A (150:42)

So this is something Mimi should be using for her local podcast.

B (150:47)

I think I recommended it to her. I said Pothome FM because you just. You throw your MP3 file in there. It does Chapters, transcript, show notes, all automatic. You know, it would be great for us, but you know, we're. We're kind of stuck in our. In our info infrastructure.

A (151:03)

But infrastructure is great.

B (151:05)

And also if. I don't know if Barry would be very happy with the amount of traffic that we. That we consume twice a week. That might.

A (151:14)

No, he'd go nuts. It would break him.

B (151:16)

It would break. It would raise the price for everybody. So we don't want to.

A (151:20)

We pay big dough to keep the bandwidth up.

B (151:23)

We do.

A (151:24)

And we have a specialist who does the job in the back end.

B (151:27)

Void zero. The one and only.

A (151:28)

Yeah. And gets paid on time. Okay. Alan Hutchcraft in Mary Maysville, M.D. 250. He has a note. Consists of two sheets and he's handwritten it so.

B (151:46)

Oh goodness.

A (151:47)

It will. It's actually not bad. He prints. It's not. It's not longhand. In the morning. John and Adam, as I'm about to complete my 50th approved trip around the sun. November 29th. He's got. He's on the list. List. I'm sure it is time for me to quit being a douchebag and donate. I was hitting the mile seven years ago, but one of my best friends, by the way, he donated 250. Gavin Lent, who is also a douchebag.

B (152:16)

Douchebag.

A (152:18)

It only took a few minutes of listening to the best podcast in universe to realize that he was onto something. Great. Great. I've hit several people in the mouth, but I want to call out my co worker and fellow assistant principal Jason Lenz as a douchebag. Douchebag. Hopefully he and Gavin will see the light and donate. Wow. During the season of Thanksgiving. I want to thank both. By the way. Let's give Alan here a de douching right off the top. You've been de douched during this season of Thanksgiving. I want to thank both of you for your. For working on Thanksgiving. Oh no. He says. For your amygdala shrinking work each Thursday and Sunday as our scheduled district. School.

B (153:10)

District.

A (153:10)

School. I'm sorry. School. Wow. You can see where I got a D in that, don't you? School.

F (153:18)

School.

A (153:19)

District Faces financial challenges. I would ask for a jobs karma for the those of us wanting to continue serving our students and community. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

B (153:30)

All righty.

D (153:33)

You've got karma.

B (153:35)

I just realized I forgot to give out a jobs karma for the note earlier.

D (153:39)

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

A (153:42)

Let's vote for jobs.

B (153:47)

Now we come to 233.3. 33 Little John's Candies from Somerset, California with a note that is too long, but I will see what I can do here in the morning. John and Adam, hopefully you've both been to your P.O. box recently and found a package from us. Have you? I did not see a package yet.

A (154:04)

Did you see I have a package? I got the package inside and it includes some. It includes some olive oil and it includes some.

B (154:12)

Well, I'll. I'll read it here. Inside you will find our world famous English toffee and our chocolate chocolate turkeys.

A (154:18)

Okay, stop. The chocolate turkey is a work of art.

B (154:23)

I'm gonna have to go to the P.O. box before we go to our dinner.

A (154:26)

Chocolate turkey is a work of art. I don't know what how they got this mold. It's very detailed. It's unbelievable.

B (154:34)

It also includes a bottle of wine from one of our fellow small businesses here in Amdur County, Driven Cellars, and a bottle of olive oil from another local small business, Slow Tube thought you might enjoy these for your Thanksgiving holiday. Being from a family of small business owners, I often think of value, and you guys certainly deliver real value. I think of how I can ensure that the people in my community are directly affected by my business the most. The most impactful way for me to do that is for Little John's to spend its money with other local small businesses. Whether it's a box or a bag, almonds or butter, or any of the other basic nuts and bolts that you need to run a business. We shop small. My father always taught me that when we spent money with another small business, it grew the community and enabled the community to spend money with us. True. And that's why you should spend money on your. On your podcasters to help podcasting grow. At Little John's Candies, we've been making candy exactly the same way for over 100 years while staying true to that small local business model. Our business model was built over 100 years years ago with no advertising dollars into the budget. We simply didn't build discounts into our margins to drive sales. Our prices have always been based on value. That doesn't mean we're the best price on the market, but we've always been A fair price. I think you're best price. We've always prided ourselves on the idea that we charge the same price to everyone and rarely provide discounts. I share this because I want to show my appreciation for the value you give by offering you and this community a little extra value from us. 10% off your order. There's a discount anytime between now and Christmas. And if buy our world famous English toffee, we'll donate 10% of that to the no Agenda show in your name. Our world famous toffee is made with simple ingredients. Butter, sugar, almonds and chocolate has been shipped all over the world. Families have built traditions around giving, receiving and sharing it. At the holidays, we pride ourselves in still making our toffee fresh and cooked to Perfection. Use code ITM10+10. That's + at checkout. No jingles because I had too long of a note. And thank you for your courage.

A (156:38)

Click.

B (156:39)

Christopher and the little John's elves. P.S. did I mention we offer gift wrap at no extra charge now? Who does that? Wow. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. I. Sorry, we went to the. Must have just come in because we went to the PO Box earlier but didn't see it.

A (156:58)

Do you have a post office box locally or you have to drive all the way to Austin?

B (157:01)

No, no, it's here locally.

A (157:04)

Oh, okay.

B (157:05)

At the Fredericksburg post office office.

A (157:07)

Baby Barbara Camp comes in from Granger, Indiana. 223 and she has a note that is impossible to read.

B (157:13)

Yeah.

A (157:16)

She is. Has a birthday coming up and she's got a birthday call out for someone. Somebody. She's calling out a birthday for someone who's going to be a hundred years old.

B (157:27)

Wow.

A (157:28)

So this is the kind of broad range of demo that we. Our show.

B (157:33)

Yeah. Zeds to a hundred zeds to centennials.

A (157:40)

So she. She. Okay, here's. I'm going to explain what happened here. I have the note in front of me.

B (157:45)

It's impossible to read.

A (157:47)

It's impossible to read. She has good handwriting, but she's. She's 71 and that this I have to assume that she's. When she learned her handwriting skills. And this is longhand. This is not printed. She. She's got a great hand but she's using a light ink which makes it tough even though the copy is a little better looking than the. Than the paper itself. But everything is jammed together so tight it makes it very difficult to read aloud. It's. It's readable. And so, so she says starts off with hell, oh no, I'M sorry. It says. Well so she's using a W from Looks like from French. The French have a weird pen. Well, finally a moment to write a note and tell you and Adam. Adam, thanks. Yes. Help me out here. Thanks. I believe I started listening to the no agenda about the time Adam was returning from some trip. Yeah, his travel logs are always amusing and they are particularly that particular day exceptional.

B (159:07)

The tsa.

A (159:08)

Yes, I agree with this.

B (159:09)

I can do this. I can do this. The TSA has a way of making his flying days exceptional. Lol. From that day on I was hooked. My son in law Seth had been listening for years and and knew the king and I would jump right on board. The king and I and no we have and and and so we have for years and especially appreciated the COVID madness. Kent inserted something. You two kept the king and I sane. The king and I. But the king has gone in another. Something festing adventure.

A (159:52)

Another long long festering long festering and.

B (159:58)

So I'm home alone.

A (159:59)

Ah.

B (159:59)

Somebody go keep her company. There's nothing better in my mind than to see a lettuce and a lettuce. A letter.

A (160:07)

A letter.

B (160:10)

Than to pen a letter and send in a donation. I gotcha. And since my mother is due. My mother is due to be 100 November 28th. I wanted you and Adam to wish her happy. Wish her a happy one for me. My mother.

A (160:28)

This is Alberta.

B (160:29)

Alberta.

A (160:31)

Yeah.

B (160:32)

Chugs along. Was she drinking chardonnay? Chugs along. And for the most part does well mentally curse. Current events stump her. But events of the past come to mind. Of ten. My brother and I. My brother and I learn new things all the time. Since 100 seems like a measly amount. Measly amount. I'll add on a bit more. I turned 7125 November. Congratulations. My daughter Rachel was 35 May 2nd. And my grand granddaughter Edith Edie is 17 months.

A (161:13)

Oh.

B (161:14)

Four generations comes to a grand total of $223. We are all flyover girls. Fly girls. Or shall I say good Mediterranean stock. Hopefully the enclosed.

A (161:32)

I'm surprised we're even trying to get through this.

B (161:35)

My mom used to write like this. So this is why she.

A (161:39)

Okay.

B (161:40)

Hopefully the enclosed donation will fill up your bank account some too. Thank you, Mom. The king and I. Happy Thanksgiving too truly. Barbara Kemp. P.S. the jam is from my kitchen. The fruit.

A (161:54)

She's done a ball of jam.

B (161:55)

The fruit crop was perfect this year.

A (161:58)

Wow.

B (161:58)

Thank you for the note. I appreciate that. That's really beautiful. Happy birthday to Alberta. 100 years.

A (162:04)

Yeah. Wow.

B (162:05)

Wow is right.

A (162:08)

That's a big deal. Very few people can accomplish that feat.

B (162:11)

Yes.

A (162:15)

You're up.

B (162:16)

I just read an entire note.

A (162:19)

All right. Beth. Beth Elliott in Corrytown, Tennessee. Whoops. Another note. This is from page seven. Let's see if we can.

B (162:30)

Oh, it says itm gents, I can read. Read this, Beth. 222.

A (162:34)

You're taking it. You're cheating again. I'm gonna read it. I TM Jets. Congratulations. Thank you for your courage. Yours truly, Beth, AKA Beth.

B (162:45)

Thank you, Beth. Thank you, Beth.

A (162:47)

Babe.

B (162:48)

And there's Eli the Coffee Guy with 211.27. 200/today's date, 1127. He's from Bensonville, Illinois. I am enjoying his product as we speak. Speak, he says. With the turkey on the table and Thanksgiving entering the rear view, the season of America, consumerism and year end retrospectives is in full swing. We've got John and the no Agenda show. What am I? Chop liver? Yeah, we got John. John and the no Agenda show to thank for reminding us where. Where the holiday even came from. Oh, that's true. As a producer, I'm grateful for you too and your dedication showing up even on the holidays. And while we're on gratitude, I'm thankful for all producers out there who start their morning with gigawatt. Quick heads up if you missed the early access email. No worries. Our cans are officially available to everyone and we're kicking off a site wide Black Friday sale through Monday. So visit gigawatt coffeeroasters.com and treat yourself or someone else to the gift of good coffee. Stay caffeinated, says Eli the coffee guy. Thank you, Eli. I love the coffee cold bruise. Although here's a tip I have because it says shake vigorously for it to release the nitro.

A (164:00)

Yeah.

B (164:01)

So when you do that, you want to grab like a Kleenex or something before you open it because.

A (164:06)

Yeah, that's with all nitro stuff.

B (164:08)

Yeah, because it sprays. Sprays a bit.

A (164:10)

Yeah.

B (164:11)

Yeah. So just open it with a Kleenex and. And then toss that away. It's good.

A (164:16)

You could use a napkin.

B (164:17)

Napkin is. Yes, that's appropriate.

A (164:21)

I want to just interim here, thank Sir Benjamin Rickers and also some other person sent one of these. I got two of those flags I've been wanting to get free. Oh, the pirate. The straw hat pirate guy.

B (164:39)

The anime stolen crossbones.

A (164:43)

Yeah, I got two of these flags. The one made in the one China, by the way.

B (164:46)

Yeah, the one flag.

A (164:48)

They're made in China. Which I thought was ironic. Yeah, but. So I want to thank them for the flags. I have flags hanging now. I look like a protester.

B (164:59)

You don't even have a flag pole, man.

A (165:02)

I don't have a flagpole. And I'm glad. Matthew Martell, our Buddy in Brumal, Pennsylvania. The Spat 2, 1060. The spats between Adam and JCD are akin to Andy Kaufman and Jerry Lawler. That's a callback that I get. Adam doesn't get. Very few people get. It's an op. Everybody visit MartellHardWorld.com use coupon code code Rage Bait for an additional 10% off your order. Happy Thanksgiving, JCD. Hot Pockets is what he wants to here. Hot Pockets.

B (165:43)

And coming in with $209. Dame Patricia Worthington from MERCED. MERCED. MERCED. MERCED, CA. Handwritten note. Dear Adam and John.

A (165:54)

It says Dame Patricia. Now, Worthington is the one. Dame Patricia Worthing is in Florida.

B (165:59)

Oh, I'm sorry. This is just Dame Patricia. I'm so sorry. Thank you for the correction. And she has a birthday. November 29th. Is that on the list? Can you check that for me? Let me just see. Is she on?

A (166:11)

Yeah, when Jay puts it on the note at the top, it's there.

B (166:15)

Okay. Here's her note, which I can read thanks to my mom. Dear John Adam, I have been a loyal listener since the dark days of 2020. Thank you for illuminating. Thank you for illuminating. For your illuminating commentaries. Please wish my daughter, Emily Mitchell, a Happy Birthday, November 29th. Another follower of your show in Uriah, California.

A (166:41)

Ukiah.

B (166:41)

Ukiah, California. Now let's plug my son's business. Okay. Brian Lewis's Surface Painting and Wallpapering, featuring Italian plastering and specialty finishes in Atascadero, San Luis Obispo County, California.

A (166:58)

San Luis.

B (167:00)

Oh, I always thought it was San Luis. Okay, San Luis Obispo. Text Brian. Text him right now. Everybody text Brian.

A (167:08)

It's all text Brian.

F (167:10)

8.

B (167:10)

Oh, 9917. You can rewind that to hear it again so he knows you're a real person and not Yelp or Google trying to sell some advertising space.

A (167:23)

Now he's going to get spammed by ITMs from every rando that listens to the show.

B (167:28)

Claim your no agenda discount. That's right. May God bless you and keep you. Well, Dame Patricia, with practically perfect penmanship. God bless you too, Patricia.

A (167:39)

Thank you very much. Not that I loved it, but I will say this. Doing Italian plastering is a big deal.

B (167:47)

Yes.

A (167:48)

So this guy's probably really good all right, onward, Linda Lupeck. And there she is in Lakewood, Colorado, for 200 bucks. Jobs, karma. For a competitive edge with a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers, Inc. With the K. And work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

B (168:21)

I believe that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1820, our Thanksgiving special episode. We're so happy that everyone supported us, and I like that we were able to take a little extra time to read some of these handwritten notes. It is high. Highly appreciate it, if only for John and I. Again, we'll thank the rest of our donors $50 and above coming up pretty soon because I do have to get out of here on time. And we're running long thanks to those notes. So go to noagendadonations.com it's value for value. Whatever you get out of the show, stick it right back in. Noagendadonations.com Congrats to the executive and associate executive producers.

A (169:00)

Our formula is this.

B (169:02)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

A (169:12)

Order.

B (169:13)

Shut up, slave.

A (169:15)

Shut up, slave. I have one presentation on the sex scandal going on in the army, which I think is disgusting.

B (169:27)

Sex scandal.

A (169:28)

I have random clips.

B (169:30)

This is an A block type thing, huh? What, you left that for the D block?

A (169:37)

Yeah, Well, I could have played it earlier, but I think we're. It was so much more important that we discussed the.

B (169:45)

The what?

A (169:46)

The don't abandon the ship or whatever.

B (169:49)

Yeah, yeah, the Seditious Six. I got you. All right. Okay, so set us up. What is this about?

A (169:55)

It sets itself up as self explanatory, but this isn't getting a lot of play. I don't know why, but it's another. Maybe it's because everyone's on vacation. They don't want to cover anything.

B (170:05)

Don't want to work. I don't want to work.

A (170:07)

Nobody wants to work. And so here we go. The PBS apparently does want to work, and so they gave this. Gave us this report as dynamite.

E (170:13)

This week, the US army has been reckoning with a sexual abuse scandal that could involve the largest number of allegations in its history. An army doctor is accused of abusing women who were under his care. Here's Ana Nawaz.

D (170:27)

The army has sent out approximately 2,500 patient notification letters to women examined by one doctor within its ranks. It's part of a massive investigation into cases of Alleged sexual abuse, all patients of 47 year old Dr. And Army Major Blaine McGraw. He's an OB GYN at Fort Hood in Texas, and before that at an army base in Hawaii. Approximately 80 women have filed a legal complaint against him. One case alleges that McGraw, quote, used his position of trust to sexually exploit, manipulate and secretly record women under his care. Joining us now is attorney Andrew Cobo, representing 70 alleged victims of Dr. McGraw. Cobos is a West Point graduate who served in the U.S. army, including at Fort Hood. Andrew, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us.

B (171:14)

Glad to be here.

D (171:15)

So just start by telling us about these women that you're representing. Who are they? Are they active duty? Are they military spouses? And what exactly are they alleging was done to them by this doctor?

C (171:25)

The majority of the women that we represent are military spouses and they spend all four branches of the military. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine. Now, this abuse happened both at Fort Hood and in Hawaii at Tripler Army Medical Center. And there were hundreds, if not thousands of women under Dr. McGraw's care. And he violated them in multiple ways. He took photographs and videos of them as they were in their most vulnerable position in his exam room. He touched them in improper ways that were medically unnecessary. And on occasion, he induced birth without their consent, without their knowledge, and without notification to their family that they were going to give birth. And so this is, as I've been describing it, one of the most. One of the largest and most significant sexual assault cases in the history of the military.

B (172:17)

Holy crap.

G (172:20)

Yeah.

A (172:20)

You haven't even heard of it, have you?

B (172:21)

No. What kind of creep is this guy? This is like the. Like the soccer coach?

A (172:26)

No. The Olympic guy.

B (172:28)

Yeah, whatever. Like so many doctors. I mean, sorry, doctors, but. So it's.

A (172:32)

Yeah, there are doctors out there that are up to no good.

B (172:36)

You know what it is, is because he's talking to his chatbot all day.

A (172:40)

All right, I'm ready to get this wrapped.

D (172:42)

And one of the complaints filed by Jane Doe, obviously her identity is protected. She talked about invasive breast and vaginal exams that were unnecessary. Not being given a medical gown to wear during those examinations, and then, as you mentioned mentioned, secretly being recorded on a phone that Dr. McGraw kept in his jacket pocket. How did your clients come to learn about those photos and videos?

C (173:04)

Fortunately, one of the women that we represent had her husband in the examination room. Now, this is not a common occurrence. It was actually a rare occurrence for Dr. McGraw to have anybody, to allow anybody in the exam room while he was working on these Patients. And the husband of his patient was behind Dr. McGraw. He leaned in while he was doing a pelvic examination and his phone, his lab coat tipped forward. The husband was able to visually see that the phone was on record. And immediately he was concerned about. About his wife, about her in this position. And so he tried notifying the chain of command. He called cid. Fortunately, CID started an investigation and he experienced a lot of frustration trying to bring his complaints and trying to bring awareness to the military that this doctor was unlawfully and improperly recording his patients. And so ultimately, CID got involved. An investigation was undertaken, and they found large numbers of videos and photographs on his phone.

D (174:08)

Cid, of course, is the Criminal Investigative Division of the Army. The army did provide us with a statement which I want to read to you in part here. They said they're committed to supporting patients affected by the allegations. They've swiftly established a call center assigned to Special Victims Council, are actively notifying patients, and they say they've created a patient support line as well. They're encouraging people with information to come forward.

B (174:30)

I'm hoping that we. In these next two clips, we get to how many. How many women he's done this to or.

A (174:37)

Well, they did say 86 are on his list. Okay, well, and the 12, over 1200 women have been sent letters. So we know as it could be over a thousand easily. And the thing about it is this, the next clips are the part that are disgusting, which is the women who had these issues, they tell it, tell somebody about it right away, and they're whatever. And so nobody cares, nobody does anything until this. The male that catches the guy, who's an obvious idiot, says he's got the camera recording with his, you know, as his wife is being examined. And he catches this and it starts and he still has to struggle this. The last clips will explain this.

D (175:17)

But as you mentioned, Andrew, before Fort Hood, Dr. McGraw was posted in Hawaii. They tell us in a statement that they're in the process of notifying identifying Dr. McGraw's patients. You told my colleague that you spoke to nurses at that Hawaii Medical Center. What did you hear from them?

C (175:33)

When I spoke to the nurses at Tripler Army Medical center, what they said is that it was common knowledge around Tripler that there were allegations against Dr. McGraw of videotaping and reporting his patients. So much so that it was a standing joke among the folks at tripler that Dr. McGraw always got the cross crazy patients. And that is what I've heard. We are working to establish in greater detail the investigation that was conducted over McGraw at Tripler Medical Center. We know that there was an investigation, but so far we haven't heard from the Army. And that's left a lot of people wondering, how long did the army know? What did they know, and why didn't they take proactive measures to address these situations?

D (176:18)

So you know that there was a complaint at the Hawaii Medical center before he was transferred to Fort Hood. I know some of your clients said they complained about this doctor, and those complaints went nowhere. Really.

C (176:28)

We have a couple different issues there. One is that complaints were going unrecognized. I have clients who, after visiting with McGraw, stepped outside into the hospital and they talked to the on duty nurse. They talked to the sergeant who was at the desk in tears. One of my clients tells me she was in tears and she talked for 10 minutes and she said, he violated me. And she was given a telephone number and said, I can't take a report. Call this number. And she called the number time after time after time after time. And she got hung up on. She got put on hold. She was unable to actually make the report. And this is one of the common complaints.

B (177:05)

Well, this is depressing for Thanksgiving.

A (177:09)

I like to go out on a high note. So, yes, and this is a classic example. I've noticed this with other government agencies. They give you a phone number, there's nobody there at the other end. They hang up or they. Hold on a second, I can click. It's just. It's horrible. And this. This is inexcusable. And the thing that bothers me the most is nobody will hang for this. No, the doctor will get a slap on their wrist, or maybe, you know, some. Maybe he even goes to prison. But all the other people are responsible. The people who didn't take the reports, the people didn't take it seriously. The phony baloney phone number you're supposed to call and nobody answers. Nobody. Nobody will get any reprimands or, or anything, because that's. Which is what would. This stuff continues to happen because of that. Allowing, you know, just allowing people to slide.

D (178:05)

I realize there are a lot of questions still unanswered here, Andrew, but what does justice look like?

F (178:09)

What's.

D (178:09)

What's the accountability your clients are seeking?

C (178:12)

There are multiple ways that justice should occur and accountability should occur in this situation. The first and most obvious way is to hold the perpetrator responsible for his actions. But McGraw is also accountable to my clients who he victimized. But more than that, the army is accountable and they should be held responsible for what they did. Not do in this situation. My clients are ultimately filing a federal Tort Claims act lawsuit against the army and they're seeking restitution for the day damages and the harms that they suffered at the hands of an army employee who should have been removed from that position. And the unfortunate thing is that this is a pattern that happens in the army and quite frankly happens in all of the military services. And if you just want to go back to the Vanessa Guillen incident in 2020 and look at what the fallout was from that incident, a 272 page report addressing the shortcomings comings of the Army. And it happens again and again and again. And I think that that is what accountability looks like. It looks like reforming the system. Not just paying it lip service, but actually going in and figuring out how do we address the problem of sexual assault in the military. And that is a good starting point to address the problems that these victims faced and what accountability looks like in the Army.

A (179:32)

Well, yeah, and we can also go to look at J. James Comer. The whole thing is the Republicans. It's everybody, it's a bureaucracy. They never. There's no accountability. Nobody ever gets reprimanded or punished. It just continues on. And who pays the bill for this? The taxpayers? You're paying for these issues because they're going to get sued. The army's going to have to pay a big fine and the military budget has to go up.

B (179:59)

Here's what I recommend, everybody.

A (180:01)

Buddy.

B (180:01)

Callthes.com. call a guy who knows the ropes. Rob the constitutional lawyer. He'll get you millions.

A (180:14)

Yeah, well, you can do that if you want, but that was completely different. Still going to cost the taxpayers money. Yeah.

B (180:20)

Okay. Well, you could have done two clips. Honestly, like eight.

A (180:25)

I thought it was eight minutes. There you go again.

B (180:27)

Eight minutes of that. Eight. You would have said the same thing if I did it. You have said, yeah, it was okay. But.

A (180:33)

But I would have after the show.

B (180:35)

Oh, all right. I'll end this on a high note. Ready? Campbell's good.

D (180:45)

This morning, Campbell Soup is denying claims about its products allegedly made by an executive in a recorded conversation. The person in the recording is also heard belittling Campbell's customers during an expletive filled rant.

B (180:57)

That's for four people. This is unlistenable, this little bit. But I left it in because he's basically saying, I don't eat that crap. Why does anyone buy that crap? I don't, I don't eat. Our bioengineered executive.

A (181:11)

And he's also talking the thing I hope you have it in there is. That is the. What is it? 3D printed chicken is in the chicken noodle shoe.

B (181:20)

Yeah, that's what he says. I won't eat 3D printed chicken anymore. It's unhealthy.

A (181:27)

Now that I know what the.

E (181:29)

Bioengineered meat.

A (181:31)

I don't want to eat a piece of chicken that came from a 3D printer.

D (181:34)

The recording is allegedly from a conversation that's now part of a lawsuit filed by Robert Garza, a cyber security analyst for Campbell's who claims he was fired after reporting the alleged remarks, which he says also included racist comments about company employees. Garza claims Campbell executive Martin B. Made those comments after the two met to discuss Garza's salary. In a statement, Garza's attorney this situation has been very hard on Robert. He thought Campbell's would be thankful that he reported Martin's behavior, but instead, he was abruptly fired. Campbell's responding, saying if the comments were in fact made, they are unacceptable. They do not reflect our values and the culture of our company. And going on to say the comments heard on the recording about our food are not only inaccurate, they are patently absurd.

A (182:16)

Nothing melts away the cold like a delicious hot bowl of Campbell's soup.

D (182:21)

Campbell saying the chicken meat used in our soups comes from long trusted USDA approved US Suppliers and meets our high quality standards. And the company noting Bali worked in it and had nothing to do with food production. Bali is on leave pending a company investigation. In the meantime, the Attorney General in Florida, a state that bans lab grown meat, says his office is now investigating Campbell's products.

B (182:43)

I guarantee you it's lab grown meat, you know. Oh, it's USDA approved products. Oh. Oh, okay. Who knows what's in there? If it's USDA approved, it sounds believable.

A (182:58)

How is this an upbeat note?

B (183:01)

Well, because nobody in their right mind eats Campbell's soup.

A (183:05)

Yeah, but that's not upbeat. You're slamming the company and it's just a negative story. I thought you have something funny.

B (183:12)

Well, do a. Do a talk clip then.

A (183:15)

Oh, no, the TikTok clip's not funny either. I have something. I do have something that's got to be kind of funny. Well, I sound like you. No, it's more like, well, let's do this. Let's play the weather report because everyone's traveling right now and there's a Thanksgiving cold blast.

B (183:37)

Okay, that'll do it.

E (183:38)

On this day before Thanksgiving, a major winter storm and a plunge in temperatures is wreaking havoc with many travelers schedules. Flight delays are piling up and as Josh Yang reports, temperatures will drop to 20 degrees below normal in much of the central and eastern parts of the country.

B (183:53)

Climate change is real. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

A (183:59)

Imagine all the people who could do that.

B (184:01)

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

A (184:09)

Yes, we are Segways. And we have a few people to thank. Over $50. Not to as many as I thought, but quite a few. And Adam will read them off one at a time.

B (184:18)

Talia Dupree is in McKinney, Texas, not too far from here. $150. And she is also asking to be on the birthday list. Is she on the birthday list? Is a good question. No, she's not. J. Talia. Talia. What's her last name? Dupree, 42. Okay. Talia Dupree, 42 on the 28th. Yeah, we got you. Just in time. Dame Rita Sparks, N.V. 133.33. And she did add a little note, which I will share because she's always donating. A witness. Several young adults buying Costco's ready made Mac and cheese for their potluck Thanksgiving gathering. The show's Mac and cheese jingle came to mind. Yes, we've been predicting this for 18 years. Christine Hines, Manchester, New Hampshire. 1, 2, 3, 4. Thank you. Robin Tolbert, Topeka, Kansas. 103.3. Message received. William Galt in Naples, Florida. 100. Anonymous from San Francisco, Anon. I should say 100. Frank Molinari from Bulverde, Texas. $100. Kevin McLaughlin. There he is. Bul Verde. Yes, he's in Concord, North Carolina. He is the Archduke of Luna and lover of boobs. And he comes in with 8,008. Thank you much. Victoria P. In West Orange, New Jersey. Hello, West Orange. This is a switcheroo for James Ramsawak, 77.35. Towards knighthood of my hot and humble husband. It's his 35th birthday on Thanksgiving and he says, john, please don't forget your tip of the day for the knives or I'll be left without a Christmas gift. That's a hint.

A (186:05)

Okay, it's coming.

B (186:06)

John Alberini, $70 26 6, $0.26. Dame Becky Arlington, Washington. 69. 60, 69. Dudes. Raymond Baker Jr. Hoffman Estates, Illinois. 6,000, 767. Dame Liberty Mom Vista, California. Small boobs for her. 6,006. Nancy McMurphy, Sam Bruno, California. 5,721. Surprise in Yukon, Oklahoma. 54. 44. Luke Albert Murphy, North Carolina switcheroo for his brother Jake Albert, who needs karma. Coming up, $54. Nathan Gwynn in Jackson, Tennessee. 55,272. Frank Pugh, Tallahassee, Florida, 5271. Interesting those one penny difference for some reason. And Mike valak in Chattanooga, Tennessee, 5271. We have Bob Newell in Penfield, Pennsylvania, 5250. Baron Henry from Ranchos, Palos Verdes in California, 5242. Andrew Benz from Imperial, Missouri, 5005. And here, the 50s. Brett Denton from Boise, Idaho. Melissa Alvarez from ponte Verdure Beach, Florida. 50. George Wushette in Lavernia, Texas. 50. Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon. Benjamin Ryan in Alliance, Ohio. Richard Gardner, parts unknown. Ox Othericks, Buffalo, New York. Michael Myers from Diamond Head, Missouri. Sir Michael from Snohomish, Washington. And wrapping up our row of 50s, Lee Ann Shipley in Covington, Washington. We appreciate all of you so much as well as our executive and associate executive producers for today's episode. And we thank everyone who came in under $50. Typically for anonymity, we'll never mention you under 50, but we do see you $49.99. And of course you can set up a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency, which is a good idea to do and it's a great way to support our value for value model. Go to noagendadonations.com any amount, any frequency, no agenda. Donations.com. Barbara Kemp turned 71 on the 25th. Happy birthday, Barbara was a beautiful note. Anonymous from Bainbridge island wishes Craig Filly and a happy one. He celebrated on the 25th. And Anonymous from Bainbridge island celebrates today the 27th. Victoria P. Happy birthday to her hot and humble husband. Jame Ramaswak turns 35 today. Jesse Dvorak turning 27. A congratulations says Jesse. Tony Turning it says Jesse Dvorak, November 27th.

A (188:41)

Yeah, but she's not turning 27.

B (188:43)

Did I say that? Yeah, well, I'm sorry. She's 55.

A (188:49)

She's not not 55.

B (188:51)

How old is Jesse?

A (188:54)

I don't know if she wants me to say. Okay.

B (188:56)

Happy birthday, Jesse Dvorak celebrating today. Barbara Camp, happy birthday to her mom, 100 years old tomorrow. Alan Huncraft turns 50 on the 29th day. Patricia Happy birthday to her daughter, Emily Mitchell. She celebrates on the 29th. And just under the wire, Joss Palmer celebrating tomorrow. And Talia Dupree turns 42 tomorrow as well. Happy birthday from everybody here. The best podcast in the universe. 1 2, 3 recipients of the official no Agenda Peace Prize. We are very proud to hand these out to the following well deserved recipients, of course Sir Anonymous, of Dog Patch and Lower Slobovia. No idea where to send your pieces Peace Prize. But when you're ready for it, we've got it for you. Travis Guidry and Craig Fillion. That's thanks to their $1,000 in support. You automatically qualify and are awarded with the official no Agenda Peace Prize. We got a dame and we have a knight. And I have my blade. And where's your sword?

A (190:04)

Here you go, the regular one.

B (190:06)

Oh, that's. You can use that to carve the turkey. Janine and Alexander pop up here on the stage. Both of you have supported the show, the no Agenda show in the amount of $1,000 or more. That makes you qualified for me to pronounce KB As Dame Janine of Beat Them until morale Improves and the Norwegian Knights. Welcome to the Round Table, both of you. We have the requisite hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay. We've got pepperoni roll and pale ales here. Redheads and ryes, ruminesque women in rose along with the hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay of course, Bung hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always at the Round Table we've got some mutton and some mead just for you. Welcome go to noagendarings.com same for our no Agenda Peace Prize recipients. Let us know where to send it to and for the night and for the dame, please give us your ring size. There's a ring size guide on the website and with that you'll get a certificate of authenticity and of course some wax to seal your ultra important correspondence with your brand new signet knight or dame ring. Well, we do have that one meetup that took place today. I'm sure it's over the Huffington and puffing for stuff and so this was a turkey trot two mile walk and I hope they're done by now. They start at 11 in the morning in Spokane. Let us know how that went. Send this in a meetup report on Saturday the Wageningefudhup Vogfest. You'll own nothing and love this Bitterball meetup in the Netherlands at Wageningen University in Gelderland. And that will be hosted by soon to be Sir Jaap of the Frankenfoods Valley and Sir Doris of the Wild Boar Mountains and Sir Baron Huska Cadaver Please RSVP because they're expecting you to come December. We've got Goleta, California, Raleigh, North Carolina, Toronto and Canada. Rochester, Minnesota, Eagle, Idaho, Indianapolis, Indiana, Charlotte, North Carolina, Clovis, California, Santa Rosa, California and Los Altos, California. How is it possible so many people in California are listening to this show? When you have those meetups, send the report to us, include your server. And if you'd like to find out more about any of the meetups, go to noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, you start one yourself. Get it on no agenda. Meetups.com. Be where everybody feels the same.

A (192:52)

It's like a party.

B (192:57)

So before we get to John's tip of the day, which of course is a great way to end any show, it will not be the knives tip today, I'm reliably informed, but that is coming. It may be a Thanksgiving tip. We always like to. It's not.

A (193:12)

Not really.

B (193:13)

We always like to. Well, maybe do a little test here of what we will end the show with. I'm not sure.

A (193:19)

Well, before you do that, I have to correct an error so I don't get letters or notes. And it should have been done by the chat room. ES is the top level domain for Spain, so our Norwegian knight as a Spanish isp. EE is for Estonia.

B (193:37)

Oh, okay, now the trolls are doing nothing today.

A (193:41)

No, they're not helping.

B (193:42)

No, we try to make these corrections.

A (193:44)

During the show so you don't get notes from people. You guys don't know what you're talking about.

B (193:51)

All right, here's my end of show ISO candidates. Thank you for the.

A (193:55)

That. Oh my God.

B (193:59)

Yeah. Or this one. Flu season is back open.

A (194:01)

Woohoo.

B (194:04)

And final. I went to the. Well, this is so good. Top that.

A (194:13)

Actually, I do like that one a bit. I do have two. Both of them are. Both of mine are better.

B (194:17)

Oh.

A (194:20)

So what are they called? I don't have them in front of me.

B (194:22)

Stick.

A (194:22)

You have them there.

B (194:23)

And dad gum.

A (194:24)

Yeah, dad gum. Play dad Gum.

B (194:26)

Dad Gummet. They hit it out of the park again. I know that guy from somewhere.

A (194:33)

I'm not sure he's right to the point. Yeah, stick is. And then this was probably too long, but I like it.

B (194:39)

The show could not be any better if it was put on a stick.

E (194:43)

And deep fat fried.

B (194:45)

No, no, you, you, you're. You're doing too much. You got it. No, I think it's between. Dad Gummet, they hit it out of the park again. And this one. This is so good.

A (195:00)

Well, since I'm winning all the time, why don't you use the Alex Jones one?

B (195:05)

Okay, we'll do that. And now before we go, it is time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me.

A (195:13)

Just the team with Jeff, ACD and sometimes Adam. I'm going back to the well. And I realized I never pushed this. This one hot sauce, which would be good on Turkey, I will say. And I. And I. I use it all the time. It's like repl. I have a long standing relationship with different hot sauces. I have this. You know, I always think one of the greatest sauces ever made is Tabasco sauce. The brand and the way they make it's made with these special peppers. And then we've had Melinda's. I promoted that on the show before. And I. And I always like crystal too, which is a very nice sauce. But I've replaced the crystal with actually this incredibly mild hot sauce. It's really mild. And it's called Frank's Red Hot.

B (196:00)

Yeah, Frank's Red Hot.

A (196:02)

Frank's Red Hot is a sauce that's been around forever. I only discovered it about a decade ago, and I feel kind of bad about it because I always looked at it as some sort of a cheap, sleazy, like, useless hot sauce. Maybe it's because I. I'm getting older and my palate likes stuff like this. It's. I think it only has 450 Scovilles. It's not that hot. And by the way, Frank's is the base for Buffalo chicken wing sauce, or what you toss the Buffalo chicken wings in. And for all practical purposes, Buffalo chicken wing sauce is nothing more than half Frank's hot sauce or red hot. To call it. Frank's Hot Sauce and butter. Half butter, half this sauce. You've got the chicken wing sauce. You can put some Worcestershire in there if you want to, but that's essentially it. This stuff, you can just douse things with it. It's almost. Could be a soup. You just put it on everything. And I think it's got one of the best flavor profiles of any just rando condiment. It's delicious. And it would be good on turkey.

B (197:07)

You could even put it on your corner. Cornflakes. No, I'm just.

A (197:13)

I don't know about that. That's a good. This is funny idea.

B (197:16)

There it is, everybody. Yeah, I'm sorry.

A (197:18)

Oh, I'm sorry. It's a terrific product.

B (197:20)

That is.

A (197:21)

It's.

B (197:21)

Of course it's a terrific product. Because it is one of John's tips of the day. Great advice for you and me.

A (197:28)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created by Daniel. Just get the original.

B (197:36)

Well, I hope everybody enjoyed the show. The shop today we are doing real work, unlike Ms. Now, who for the past hour and a half have had Nicole Wallace with headphones on sitting there because you know she think, oh yeah, we got to have other podcasters on my podcast. She's doing a podcast on Ms. Now with the whole from the Midas touch podcast.

A (198:02)

Oh, my God.

B (198:04)

Yeah, that's the level you get. But not here. Not on the no Agenda show. No, no, no. In fact, we'll even end it with some end of show mixes. We've got MVP checking in twice and Danny Luce is back. MVP sandwiching in Danny Loose. And we will return on Sunday for more excitement here on the no agenda show. Please join us. And I am coming to you today from the heart of the Texas hill country in Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

A (198:37)

And from northern Silicon Valley where we wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving. Have a good meal tonight. I'm John C. Dvorak.

B (198:44)

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Thank you for being a producer of the best podcast in the universe. We really appreciate you and remember us at Noah, Jeff gender donations dot com. We've got Planet Rage, the 200th episode, next on the stream. Until Sunday, adios, mofos. Who we hooey and such.

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Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the show. Yeah, let's deconstruct some news.

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Menlo the buzz kill says, don't trust your head.

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The same time these fascist bastards murdered.

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