1822 - "Kohanna"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1822 "Kohanna"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: December 4, 2025
Podcast Theme: Deconstructing Media with No Agenda

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Episode Summary

Main Theme:
This episode delivers classic No Agenda fare: deep dives into major news cycles, heavy dissection of MSM narratives, inside baseball on political developments (including the latest on the Epstein files, government corruption, drug war theatrics), and keen analysis of media trickery and policy machinations. The hosts, Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, bring their signature irreverence, skepticism, and humor, spanning everything from U.S. and world politics, tech industry critiques, and audience engagement, all while highlighting issues glossed over or distorted in mainstream coverage.

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Major Discussion Segments

1. BET Mad Bomber News & Mainstream Media Incompetence

[00:33–02:21]

• The recent capture of the "BET mad bomber" dominates the open, with Adam and John mocking premature reporting and media flubs (e.g., Glenn Beck's forensic analyst wrongly insisting the perpetrator was a woman).
• The official narrative is ridiculed, especially the bombastic self-congratulation at law enforcement press conferences and endemic government "inaction."
• Quote:

  "Every cliché from every movie you've ever seen." – Adam Curry [02:16]

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2. Epstein Files Release Media Cycle

[02:24–16:18]

• House Democrats released more than 150 images plus videos from Epstein’s Caribbean estate, awaiting the mandated full file release under the new “Epstein Files Transparency Act.”
• The focus turns to peculiar details in the photos: e.g., a room with a dental chair and masks, abundance of surveillance cameras, lack of people in shots, and rooms full of videotapes—yet media won’t address the tape hoard.
• Much time is spent mocking the fevered media speculation about sinister meanings behind household items (especially the dental chair).
• Discussion includes Congressman Ro Khanna’s media appearance, calling on DOJ for full disclosure, and pointedly noting resistance or delays.
• Adam & John use the dentist chair to lampoon performative outrage, quick Google research (the chair belonged to Epstein’s final girlfriend, a dentist), and the tendency of both media and politicians to jump to lurid conclusions.
• Memorable Exchanges:
  • "Can nobody do Google searches anymore?" – John C. Dvorak [09:09]
  • “You make a joke about it, but I mean, really rich people have weird things in their homes.” – John C. Dvorak [11:30]
• The hosts eviscerate the performative nature of congressional and media interest, suggesting the photo dump is more political theater than a genuine fact-finding effort. They question motivations for timed media drops close to elections.
• [Highlights:]
  • New law requires all Epstein files (including interviews, photos, and videos) to be released within 16 days from Trump's bill's signing.
  • Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie leading the congressional push; strong bipartisan skepticism about whether the release will be comprehensive or heavily redacted.
  • Media’s fixation on the “creepy” aesthetics (masks, tapes, empty hotel rooms) and the endless cycle of “wealth porn.”

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3. Drug Boat Strikes, War Crimes, and Money Laundering

[17:55–29:42]

• Adam and John examine recent U.S. military strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, and the media’s shifting outrage about “war crimes.”
• The connection to the global financial system is explored—the hosts argue that drug money is crucial to global liquidity (citing its role in the 2008 Great Recession), and ask if “destroying” drug shipments could risk financial instability.
• A "boots on the ground" report from the Dutch Caribbean confirms that U.S./Dutch military interdiction of drug boats is nothing new—escalation for political optics is hypothesized.
• They discuss U.S. presidential pardons, focusing first on the former Honduran President (charged with massive cocaine trafficking, yet pardoned by Trump), and soon after, Rep. Cuellar and his wife (pardoned for alleged bribery), highlighting both the political and financial dimensions of these cases.
• The hypocrisy and murkiness of prosecuting only certain figures involved in international drug trafficking; speculation that key players are being spared for their insider knowledge on money flows.
• Notable Quote:

  "First of all, his brother Tony was the drug dealer ... This guy was an innocent, basically ... the Trump people already knew that he was not a guilty guy." – Adam Curry [26:59]

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4. Epic Three-by-Three: Mainstream Media Coverage Dissected

[33:38–46:46]

• Classic “three-by-three” segment in which Adam and John compare ABC, CBS, and NBC reporting on U.S. military strikes and associated political fallout.
• They call out how news organizations construct associative narratives—linking “drug boat bombing” stories with immigration crackdowns and alleged “anti-immigrant” comments from Trump.
• Frequent focus on “fog of war” excuses by military officials, and the media's intentional conflation of border wars, drug wars, and racial politics for midterm electoral advantage.
• Adam and John point to how major networks seamlessly blend stories of ICE raids, Somali immigrant fraud, and naval strikes to creatively villainize the administration.

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5. Ukraine, Peace Talks, and EU Money Schemes

[79:17–113:46]

• Adam and John dissect the media silence on Ukraine's stalled funding and peace talks. Major themes:
  • Europe is facing pressure to bankroll Ukraine directly, as U.S. weapons (now only available via European purchase) dry up.
  • The EU is weighing extremely controversial proposals: borrowing hundreds of billions of euros, or outright confiscation of Russian state assets from European banks (potentially destroying global trust in European finance).
  • Clip reviews include Ursula von der Leyen's “sales pitch” for using frozen Russian money, and McGregor's blunt assessments that peace talks and funding games are all about optics and buying time.
• German politics: Speculation that as the right-wing AFD grows and Germany’s energy crisis deepens, a geopolitical realignment toward Russia and rebuffing NATO/EU policies may be inevitable.
• Media soundbites from France 24 and the BBC highlight how the official line about Ukraine “peace” is full of misleading wordplay and inconsistent details.
• Notable Quote:

  “If you go to Monaco, there’s Rolls Royces, Ferraris ... all with Ukrainian license plates.” – John C. Dvorak [111:36]

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6. Culture War, Meetups, and Tech Criticism

[124:45–143:13]

• As always, a chunk of the show is dedicated to shoutouts, value-for-value donation drives, and celebrating the No Agenda community’s self-sufficiency and independence from platforms like YouTube, Patreon, and Spotify.
• The hosts lambaste centralized tech and ad-based models, reminding listeners of the constant threat of deplatforming, data suppression, and payment system capture.
• Notable contributor pitches include custom candy businesses, resume services, and discussions of U.S. lamb vs. Australian lamb.
• Tech talk includes a detailed conversation about the economics (and impracticality) of current AI infrastructure, referencing direct comments from IBM's CEO and Nvidia insiders who confide there's no major productivity boost from LLMs yet.
• Podcasting 2.0, email delivery woes, RSS independence, and why No Agenda shows are "uncancelable."

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7. Notable Offbeat and Humorous Sections

• Dentist Chair Gags
  The repeated running joke about the Epstein “dental chair,” with one-liners about elite eccentricities and Adam teasing John for loving the dentist (and aspiring to midlife dentistry).
  • “Help me become a dentist. Can I make the switch?” – John C. Dvorak [14:36]
• Redefining “Leeriness”
  A time-stretched debate on whether “leeriness” is a real word, resolved via chatGPT/AI, followed by classic mockery.
  • “Our overlord AI is never wrong.” – Adam Curry [15:29]
• On Champagne Codes
  John delivers a tip-of-the-day about reading bottle codes to distinguish grower champagne (RM) from mass-market labels (NM).
• Mocking Big Food Litigation
  The show lampoons San Francisco’s lawsuit against “Big Food” for using “tobacco science” to addict children, linking it back to decades-old industry consolidation.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Every cliché from every movie you’ve ever seen.” – Adam Curry [02:16]

• “Can nobody do Google searches anymore?” – John C. Dvorak [09:09]

• “A picture’s worth a thousand words.” – Adam Curry, satirically puncturing “wealth porn” cycle [16:59]

• “I love seeing Judge Jeanine speak in that official role. There’s something wrong about it.” – John C. Dvorak [01:24]

• On wealth porn:
  “Drop cliches on us ... I’m dumping this.” – Adam Curry [16:54]

• On AI companies’ impossible ROI:
  “Eight trillion of capex ... There’s no way you’re going to get a return on that.” – IBM CEO Arvin Krishna (via John) [161:07]

• On media blending narratives:
  “It’s almost like a mind trick ... boats, borders, stuff.” – John C. Dvorak [42:01]

• On EU plans to seize Russian assets:
  “This is so dumb … Maybe she’s a Manchurian candidate.” – John C. Dvorak on Ursula von der Leyen [102:03]

• Classic No Agenda:
  “We just call what we see.” – Adam Curry [54:49]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• BET Mad Bomber discussion: [00:33–02:21]
• Epstein Files release & dentist chair saga: [02:24–16:18]
• Drug boat strikes/war crimes/money discussion: [17:55–29:42]
• Network news “three-by-three”/media critique: [33:38–46:46]
• Ukraine war, peace plans, and EU money shuffle: [79:17–113:46]
• Donations, meetups, and independence: [124:45–143:13]
• Champagne tip-of-the-day: [187:03–192:39]

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Tone & Style

The episode is trademark No Agenda—irreverent, cynical, densely referential, and darkly comic. They relentlessly skewer media, politicians, and even a few sacred cows among their own listeners. The show’s power comes in connecting dots between money, media, and policy that mainstream commentary either misses or purposely obscures.

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Final Thoughts

• This episode is a masterclass in "media assassination." It rewards listeners who are skeptical of official narratives, appreciate offbeat humor, and value independence from all institutional platforms—whether government, media, or Big Tech.
• As always, Adam and John encourage direct audience engagement: meetups, donations, and contributing real-world tips and stories to future episodes.

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

Out of office.

Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, December 4th, 2025. This is your award winning Gitmo Nation media assassination episode 1822.

[Guest Commentator]

This is no agenda place in Crazy Ben Scan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we're celebrating the fact that they caught the BET mad bomber, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and buzzk.

Well, here's what caught my eye. As the quad screen lit up with We've got the bomber. We were told by Glenn Beck's forensic analyst that it was a woman.

And they were 99% sure.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I guess somebody was wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, how about that? Who is this guy?

[Adam Curry]

Some guy, lives in a really fancy house.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the house is dynamite.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, it'll be up for sale soon. Cheap.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I mean, he might be Border, he might be. Who knows? They haven't explained it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so weird.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they're all patented. They had this huge press conference. They're all patting each other on the back and then condemning the old Biden administration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, they knew. They knew. They didn't do anything. They sat on this court.

[Adam Curry]

They didn't do anything. They sat on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I love seeing judge Jeanine speak in that official role is just wrong. There's something wrong about it.

You know, it's the. The worlds of show business and politics when they collide like that. It's odd.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, Bongino is up there too, yakking away. He got cut off.

[John C. Dvorak]

By whom?

[Adam Curry]

No, just went. Screen went blank. That a glitch?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, what was he saying? Code Bongino.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. What? No, he was doing the same thing as Patel. Everybody else? Yeah, you know, we're great. It took forever and we had a big team and we worked 24 7.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, 33 hours non stop.

[Adam Curry]

We had millions and millions of detailed pieces of evidence that we had to go through and analyze. The other guys are too lazy to do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Fresh eyes. Every cliche from every movie you've ever seen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fresh eyes. I like that.

Fresh eyes is fantastic. Well, that of course is not. I mean, they're real busy, obviously. Because now that we've uncovered this, who knows what will happen with the Epstein files? We're all waiting with bated breath. But wait, we have new pictures. House Democrats released more than 150 still images and more than a dozen short.

[Guest Commentator]

Videos of The Caribbean estate of late.

[John C. Dvorak]

Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

The images do not show any people.

[John C. Dvorak]

At the lavish home on a private island in the U.S. virgin Islands. They do show the compound's pool area, several bedrooms and bathrooms, and a room.

[Guest Commentator]

That mysteriously contains a dental chair.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you saw the walls are adorned.

[Adam Curry]

With masks of men's faces.

[John C. Dvorak]

Congress is waiting for the Justice Department to release so called Epstein files, all of them. Justice must do so within 30 days of President Trump signing the Epstein files.

[Adam Curry]

Transparency act on November 19.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was great. I love this picture of the dentist chair with these protruding masks on the wall is just what is, what in.

[Adam Curry]

The world is that is going on there?

[John C. Dvorak]

How can we know of any pictures of Zorro Ranch? That's, that's the place where I was probably more there.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, that's a question. One of the unanswered questions. The other one to me is, hey, hey. They had a room is full of videotape. No one even wants to talk about that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Because Ro Khanna, Ro Kahana was on with the poopmeister Anderson Pooper, and he has some stuff to say about it.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight we're getting an inside look at some of the rooms in Jeffrey Epstein's notorious home on a private Caribbean island where underage girls and young women were trafficked and sexually abused. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released these photos as well as videos they say have not been made public before. One of the images shows what appears to be a dentist chair in one room with masks on a wall. Another shows a blackboard with some words scribbled on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Deception plots, Political deception words.

[Adam Curry]

There's also this video showing the manicured grounds of the estate with palm trees, winding paths and a large pool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

The Department of Justice has 16 days before they have to release documents related to its investigation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder, is the Democrat the listing agent for this island or something? Because it really is like a sales video like, oh, that kitchen looks nice. Yeah, I can do without the crazy dentist chair. But everything else is pretty cool.

[Adam Curry]

Epstein is required by the bill that Congress passed and President Trump recently signed into law. Now, we learned today that Epstein's accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell is planning to file a petition that asking a judge to release her from prison. She's a 20 year sentence for her sex trafficking conviction. Joining us tonight, California Congressman Ro Khanna, member of the Oversight Committee, who along with Republican Congressman Thomas Massie led the fight to pass that bill forcing the release of the Epstein file. So Congressman, I mean, do these video Images fill in any blanks for you raising a new question. I'm wondering if what stands out to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

What stands out stands out is the dentist chair.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Well, the dentist chair was concerning to me. Obviously, we need to know the facts, but what we need to know is, were underage girls abused on that chair? What happened there? What we do know from the survivors is their feelings.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, maybe they had a dentist on board. Darren, there just was a part of the deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, come to the island. We got a dentist on staff, free cleaning.

[Adam Curry]

We can do it. We can bleach the teeth a little bit, you look a little better, can change your jaw.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

What we need to know is, were underage girls abused on that chair? What happened there? What we do know from the survivors is there are many such photos in the Epstein files. We know that from the survivors and their lawyers. All of those need to be released. Every file, every photo, every interview memorandum, while protecting victims, need to be released by federal law in the next 16 days.

[Adam Curry]

Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What?

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. Why didn't he mention the videotapes?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. Actually, this interview goes in an unexpected direction. I got two more clips here. Do you expect.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, do you know what to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Expect in 16 days in terms of.

[Adam Curry]

What level of redaction there's going to be? Have you gotten any word from the Department of Justice how they are handling this?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Congressman Massie and I have requested to meet with Attorney General Pam Bondi or someone on our team handling the investigation. So far, we have not heard back. We continue to pursue it, of course. Congressman Massey is on the Judiciary Committee, so Pam Bondi will be coming before that committee. But now, every person at the Justice Department who does not cooperate in releasing these files would be violating federal law, that they would be subject to federal penalties. So we expect that there will be a release, and we're going to continue to fight to make sure that it is transparent and complete.

[Adam Curry]

Your committee says it's also received about 5,000 documents in response to subpoenas to JP Morgan, Deutsche bank, for Epstein's financial records. I don't know how much of those the committee's been able to review. But do they.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, what do you hope to.

[Adam Curry]

Find in those documents? Have any. Does anything connect any dots for you?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Well, the committee is going through that. There are a lot of documents. But the big question is, how is Jeffrey Epstein, a former schoolteacher, worth a half a billion dollars? Who is former funding him? Why are people giving him this money? And what was he doing for this money? Those are Things that we're going to get from these documents. As you know, Senator Wyden has been investigating this in the Senate for over a year. That is going to be critical to understanding who all was involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

That took a sudden change turn. All of a sudden we went from victims to who was funding him. What's the money flows? We're looking into that. That should get some people rather worried, particularly in the banking sector. How about Chase?

[Adam Curry]

Jamie Dimon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jamie Dimon. Chase, by the way. Thank you, trolls.

Jeffrey Epstein's last known girlfriend, Karina Schuliak, was a dentist from Belarus whom he reportedly paid to put through dental school. She's listed as a dentistry practitioner in St. Thomas with over five years of experience in the field. Chuliak was dating Epstein at the time of his arrest and death in 2019. He made his final phone call to her from jail. Oh, no. They had a dentist chair there because his girlfriend was a dentist. Oh, no. Can nobody do Google searches anymore?

[Adam Curry]

That's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

That seems like an obvious.

[Adam Curry]

Well, somebody in the chat room or the troll room could do them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's why we're the best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's instant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Honestly, I didn't even think to look of it myself, but. All right, well, that's not. Whoa. Was anyone abused? Well, I don't know if it was a bad root canal, maybe. Maybe. Kohana goes on here.

[Adam Curry]

We've talked about Ghislaine Maxwell. Planning to ask Judge. This is new name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Kohana.

[Adam Curry]

Kohana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for catching that. Kohana, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Her from prison, according to a new court filing. What do you think the chances of that actually are?

[John C. Dvorak]

Given the unknowns of, you know, the.

[Adam Curry]

Interview she had with with President Trump's former personal attorney who's now, you know, high level of the Department of Justice? What do you think is going to happen there?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

There would be a slap in the face of the survivors, Anderson, as you imagine. I've gotten to know some of these survivors. I spent time with them. When you mention Ghislaine Maxwell's name, they have a trauma in an anger. This is someone who abused them. This is someone who facilitated their abuse. The fact that we're even discussing any leniency for her or letting her out of jail is frankly disgusting. And the survivors themselves get so emotional when people bring up Maxwell.

[Adam Curry]

A House Oversight Committee spokesperson today earlier said criticized Democrats on the committee, your committee, for releasing these videos and photos, saying, quote, it is odd that Democrats are once again releasing selective information as they have done before.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'M wondering what your response to that is.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Let's release it all. That's what Massey and my Bill does. If you don't think there's anything there, get the files out. If you think it's selective, get the files out. Let's finally get the information out there. Most importantly, because of the thousand survivors. And that's what they want. And so we end this kind of blame game and name calling. Let's just get it all out there in the next 16 days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blame game, name calling.

[Adam Curry]

Get it, you know, name calling.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Adam Curry]

What's he talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Kohanna's off his rocker.

[Adam Curry]

I.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wouldn't surprise me if in the emails and the documents, we literally find an email that says, hey, when you're down here, you know, my girlfriend can clean your teeth. It wouldn't surprise me. You make a joke about it, but I mean, really rich people have weird things in their homes.

[Adam Curry]

It's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what I mean? It's like.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I used to go, one time I was in Bill Ziff's office upstairs.

[John C. Dvorak]

In some of the famous Ziff Davis publishing empire.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And he had an office in a penthouse someplace. This is not the office at the magazine, it was his house office.

[John C. Dvorak]

This sounds like another story I have never heard before.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's not much to it, but all I remember is that we're having this conversation and all of a sudden his hair cutter comes in and I'm just chatting with him and next thing you know, he's got a barber sting around his neck and the guy's trimming his hair in front of me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember once being at this really. Well, this was when I was very young, doing the pirate radio stuff, and I had to go to one of our big sponsors. And this was clearly some kind of drug gangster, some narco gangster. He had this huge house in Amsterdam. It consisted of half of a canal block. And, you know, and I think I had to pick up some videotapes. I don't remember exactly what it was. He had Western House and Western House. Then I forget the other name. He had like stores, boutique stores, probably all money laundering. And all of a sudden I see a member of parliament on a 10 speed bike just driving through the house. It's like that kind of stuff is normal for these jamokes. So.

[Adam Curry]

In spandex, was he wearing clothes?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he had one of those spandex riding outfits on. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, just riding around. Okay. Anyway, we have to with this, this dental chair. This is it, people.

[News Correspondent]

I also would have wished that Virginia was alive today. I would have asked her all about that dentist chair and what that meant and what that was. Because to me, there's something sadistic about it.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's bizarre to have a dentist chair in somebody's private.

[News Correspondent]

No one wants to go to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, seriously, this is one of the easiest things to look up. That's nuts.

[News Correspondent]

The dentist. There's something dark about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, hold on a second. Hold on a second. I have to stick up for my dental professionals here. Hold on a second, Dar.

[Adam Curry]

To have a dentist chair in somebody's also just.

[News Correspondent]

No one wants to go to the dentist. There's something dark about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I love going to the dentist. That's. You know, I just want to say something for our dental professionals. You guys really get the short end of the stick. I love getting my teeth cleaned. I love hanging out there. I love the dentist.

[Adam Curry]

I love hanging out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hang out at the dentist.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, what are you doing this afternoon? I'm going to go over the dental office and hang out because it's so much fun.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm serious, though. I was like, what are you doing? What's the. That instrument for? How does that thing work? You know, once you. Once.

[Adam Curry]

You should have become a dentist there. I think this is what we're. You're trying to. You're trying. This is a cry for help.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is.

[Adam Curry]

Help me become a dentist. This my late age. Can I make the switch?

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I still do it? Podcast a dentist.

[News Correspondent]

Oh, there's a leering to it all. There's. It, there's. It's almost like you're walking through a crime scene. I mean, you.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of word is leering? There's a leeriness to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an interesting question. What do you think?

[Adam Curry]

It's not a word. It's not a word. Leeriness.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, should we ask the robot to make sure?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, robot. What? Tell me about the word leeriness. Is that a real word?

[Adam Curry]

Mm.

[News Correspondent]

Leeringess is a real word. It means a wariness, caution, or a state of being leery. Like if you're suspicious about something and not quite trusting.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Well, it fits in. Then I was wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, of course we have to trust AI.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, our overlord AI is never wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Never.

[News Correspondent]

The masks on the wall, there's a leering ness to it all. It's almost like you're walking through a crime scene. I Mean you are walking through a crime scene. When I see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw the pictures. I saw the pictures. It does not look like a crime scene. It looks like a real estate portfolio. What it looks like. Well, okay, dressing it up a bit here.

[News Correspondent]

A crime scene. I mean you are walking through a crime scene. When I see the rooms, they're kind of hotel type rooms. Could be for anybody.

[Guest Commentator]

Scary.

[News Correspondent]

It has just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean there's kind of no personality other than sort of creepiness to these things. Otherwise there is this sort of.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd love to see Vanderbilt's home.

[Adam Curry]

Anonymity to it. Of sort of anonymous hotel room somewhere in the Caribbean.

[News Correspondent]

Exactly. And I think you could even see from the picture of the. The cameras. I mean there are cameras everywhere. They're being recorded, you could say for security. But also where's the tape?

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's the tapes?

[News Correspondent]

Where's the tape vers that they believe that they were always being recorded there. Even the statues are weird like the one by the pool. And I think it's important for us to have this documentary evidence, especially when you have the President.

[Adam Curry]

There's a stall. This is going nowhere.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's nine more seconds.

[Adam Curry]

Yak yak yak yak about nothing, folks.

[News Correspondent]

Seeing is believing. See the place where he lived.

[Adam Curry]

Seeing is believing.

[Guest Commentator]

Wealth porn.

[Adam Curry]

This is drop cliches on us.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm dumping this.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, picture's worth a thousand words.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

Seeing is believing. That's right. Oh man, that's good. It gives everybody something to talk about. That's always fun. I mean what is the point of the Democrats releasing these photos? What is the actual point? Is it to draw everyone's attention back? I mean it doesn't make a lot of sense midterm wise, which everything should be about everything.

You know.

So yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I think you're right. Everything should be about the midterms. And they somehow think they're going to. I don't know what they're thinking, but they seem to think there's a benefit to this. They're really a lost cause, these guys. Yeah, it's a miracle. I think they will take the midterms, but it's kind of baffling that they can even get anybody to vote for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean everything. Well, although this, this double tap war crime, this is my favorite. This is the best story ever. But the American military has done atrocious things for our freedom, for their democracy all over the world. But now we're blowing up some drug boats and everyone loses their ever loving mind. And I think that Matt Taibbi and Walter.

Thank you. Walter Kern are correct that there's probably money on those boats, too, although we don't see it like, you know, like fluttering dollars. That would be kind of cool if you saw that. But this thing seems like a lot of people are very, very worried.

[Adam Curry]

I don't believe that. I disagree.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't?

[Adam Curry]

Why would there be money on the boat? You exchange the drugs for the money. You don't carry the money on the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boat with the drugs, and then you put the money straight into the bank in the Caribbean.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, you know, we discussed when the 2008, the. What was it, what they call it? The Great Recession. The Great Recession. If we didn't have drug money flowing, the whole world would have crumbled. The drug money flow is so important. In fact, we have a. This is how far I'll go with this. We have. I think they're talking about a liquidity crisis on Wall Street. I think that means there's not enough money and there's all kinds of reasons for it. We had a government shutdown. But could it also be that all this money is. All the value is being blown up in the ocean and that, oh, man, we don't have any money coming in. Do you think that's possible, that it's that much? Because I do.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't know about that because it's coming in from every which way and all over the place. It's only accounting for some of it. Maybe 10% at the most. I don't even think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Trump says it's 90% of.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Trump's. Trump exaggerating. Let me write this one down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen.

[News Correspondent]

You released video of that first boat strike on September 2, but not the second video. Will you release video of that strike so that the American people can see for themselves?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I don't know what they have, but whatever they have would certainly release no problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need to start saying that we want to know about the dentist chair because the American people have a right to know about the dentist chair. The American people who pay their taxes have an absolute right. I am a journalist.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You know, we stopped every boat we knock out. We saved 25,000American lives.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I think we've now saved or created 300 million people. With the amount of boats we've blown out of the water, we've blown up.

[Adam Curry]

What, 20 boats now or more.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's 20 times.

So it's half a million. Am I saying that right? Yeah. Half a million lives have been saved. Or created, Mr. President.

[Guest Commentator]

Good work.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

And if you look at our numbers, the drugs coming in through sea are down 91%. I'm surprised there's 9%. I don't know who's doing the 9%, but it's down 91. And we're going to start very soon on land. And I'm sure you're thrilled to hear this, Rice.

[News Correspondent]

If it is found that survivors were actually killed while clinging onto that boat, should Secretary Hebseth, Admiral Bradley or others be punished, I think you're going to.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Find that this is war, that these people were killing our people by the millions. Actually, if you look over a few years, I think last year we lost close to 300,000 people were killed. That's not mentioning all the families. Have you seen what happens with the families? Not only the people that are trying to get their son or their daughter off of this poison that they've been fed. I think you're going to find that there's a very receptive ear to doing exactly what they're doing, taking out those boats. And very soon we're going to start doing it on land, too, because we know every route, we know every house, we know where they manufacture this crap, we know where they put it all together. And I think you're going to see it very soon on land also. Yeah, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, now I see. How about he's going to take out these drug manufacturing operations with airstrikes. Not boots on the ground, but airstrikes. Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me.

[Adam Curry]

We know what's going to happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And by the way, according to Zero Hedge, and they would know cocaine inflation erupts in Europe after US strikes with.

[Adam Curry]

Caribbean drug boats just backing the two of us up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep. 30 to 45% per kilo. More expensive, by the way. So I knew a couple of drug dealers in Amsterdam, marijuana drug dealers. I don't think they did cocaine. They might have done pills as well, Ecstasy. But nice people, you know, they would. They would smuggle the stuff into the country in flight cases for musical gear, speaker cases, all kinds of stuff. And they had. And everyone was paid off. I don't know that for sure, but obviously. And those people alone were multimillionaires. They had millions of dollars, they had houses all over the world, and they were one step above retail.

So just think about what's going back to the cartels and the manufacturers. It's got to be a multiple of that. It's got to be hundreds of billions. Hundreds of billions. So I think it does make a difference. By the way, you got a boots on the ground from.

From the Netherlands. And he's a documentary filmmaker and he was part of making a series about the Dutch Navy and Coast Guard in the Caribbean for National Geographic. So this is older. It was about protecting the waters around the Dutch Antilles. Different subjects in an episode, of course, but also a lot of drug traffic operations. From the footage provided to us by the Coast Guard in the interviews we made, I can tell you that the Dutch working with the US have had operations in this region for probably a decade or longer. Decades, sometimes with extreme measures like taking out drug boats with force. Unfortunately, we weren't allowed to show the blowing up or machine gunning of drug boats in the series due to the sensitive nature of the subject in the Netherlands. Yeah, no kidding. It's our dough. What we did show is that the boats get chased down by fast boats or choppers. They get at least four warnings over the port, a phone. Most give up and get boarded and arrested. If they don't stop to get boarded, they get their engines shot by marksmen from the chopper. If this doesn't work or they fight back, they get machine gunned or blown up. Says this has been going on forever, but now all of a sudden, this is a huge issue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, midterms.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have the best producers in the universe. The best hands down.

[Adam Curry]

That's what happens. You accumulate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So let me see. We have.

[Adam Curry]

So what's a good story?

[John C. Dvorak]

What's interesting about this is this little ditty which got some play. The 57 year old former president of Honduras was found guilty in a US Federal court of working with drug cartels conspiring to distribute more than 400 tons of cocaine toward the United States. He was found to have taken millions of dollars in bribes and prosecutors said he bragged about all of it.

[Adam Curry]

Hernandez declared that he wanted, and I quote, to stuff the drugs right up the noses of the gringos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Witnesses at trial said Juan Orlando Hernandez used Honduran military units to escort drug shipments. A federal jury in New York took only about nine hours to deliberate and convict him on importation and weapons charges. He was sentenced to 45 years in federal prison. But all of that changed this week when he was pardoned by President Trump.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I feel very good about it. If you have some drug dealers in your country and you're the president president, you don't necessarily put the president in jail for 45 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

President Trump called Hernandez's trial last year a witch hunt by the Biden administration. Although there were no allegations of prosecutorial misconduct. It was a case that the Justice Department had built over a number of years against Juan Orlando that dated back to the trial of his brother, Tony. Hernandez's brother Tony was tried and convicted for charges related to drug trafficking by the first Trump administration in 2019. Democrats and some Republicans in Congress are slamming the pardon. Republican Senator Rand Paul said it flies in the face of the Trump administration's escalating campaign against drug cartels in the region. So if you look up the history of this, and of course everyone's flummox, how can he be blowing up drug boats but letting this guy go free? First of all, his brother Tony, he was, he was the drug dealer and he.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and it seems to me, just before you continue.

Based on just what that was in that report, that Tony was the bad guy. This guy was an innocent, basically, you know, a brother, but he's innocent bystander for all practical purposes. And the Trump administration must have known that back in the first administration. And then the guy got caught up and thrown in the slammer. But, but the Trump people already knew that he was not a guilty guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And like eight years ago, five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ago, but he was thrown in the slammer in2024. So his brother went to jail in 19. During Trump administration. In fact, as president, Hernandez positioned himself as a key US ally in the war on drugs, which of course is a joke, but he oversaw the extradition of over two dozen high profile drug traffickers to the United States, including figures linked to major cartels. This included cooperation with US agencies like dea, which would have given him access to intelligence on cartel structures, routes, and the leaders in Honduras, a critical trans. Honduras, a critical transit hub for cocaine from South America to the U.S. i'm thinking this guy has some valuable information.

And this will make.

A lot of financial people very nervous if he actually knows not just how the drugs flow, but he knows how the money flows. This could be a very interesting guy to talk to. And all he really got convicted of was, you know, supposedly $1 million campaign, or bribe they call it, but campaign contribution, but was categorized as a bribe from El Chapo.

And the rest was just witnesses who just said, no, no, no, that guy's guilty, he's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is another thing. This. I don't want to go off track because I have this three by three to do, but I want to play this. Trump's been pardoning, doing weird pardons, and he does it.

In kind of a linear fashion. He doesn't wait Till the end of his administration and then pardon a million people. And he pardoned this Cuellar guy who was the Democrat from Tex. Democrat, yeah, Democrat, yeah.

Who was arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can I just stop you for a second? Do I have all your clips? I don't have a three by three.

Do I have all your clips?

[Adam Curry]

You better.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

I mean, I got your clips this morning, but I don't see that in there. Quail our guy. Let me check. Let me double check, man. This is.

[Adam Curry]

No, you better go resend the clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's possible.

No, I don't. I mean, I have only 20 clips.

[Adam Curry]

I got more than that on here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that was not in your email.

This is. We have a production issue.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you want to send me those real quick?

[Adam Curry]

We're going to have to stop tape.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, tape has been restarted. We're back. And I'm glad. People have to understand that in preparation for this show, there is no collusion at all. Any collusion. There's no conversations. We don't talk about anything. I show up, you show up. You send me clips. I don't look at the clips. I don't listen to the clips because I want to be just as surprised and delighted as everybody else. So what were you looking? What were you looking for?

[Guest Commentator]

The.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Cuellar. Yes. Oh, the pardon. The pardon, yeah. Okay, Cuellar. And how do you spell Cuellar? C, U, E. Oh, like cellular. I got it.

[News Correspondent]

President Trump pardoning Texas Representative Henry Cuellar and his wife Imelda Cuellar year on more than a dozen federal charges. And the President declaring a historic reset of fuel economy standards. We now go live to our Washington correspondent, Mario sue at the North Lawn of the White House. Mari. Good evening, Tiff. Good evening. Yes. Texas Democratic Representative Henry Cuellar was an outspoken critic of former President Joe Biden's border policies. And back in May 2024, he and his wife Imelda were indicted for allegedly accepting nearly $600,000 in bribes in exchange for influencing US foreign policy in favor of Azerbaijan and a Mexican bank. Cuellar and his wife have denied all of these charges. And President Trump today is announcing his, quote, full and unconditional pardon of both of the Cuellars on Truth Social, saying, quote, for years, the Biden administration has weaponized the justice system against their political opponents and anyone who disagreed with them. He also adds that one of the clearest examples of this was when Biden used both the FBI and the DOJ to, quote, take out a member of his own party, referring to Cuellar as bravely speaking out against open borders and what President Trump calls the Biden border catastrophe. Take a look.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

He's a respected person. He was treated very badly because he said that people should not be allowed to pour into our country. And he was right. He didn't like open borders. He represents the people on the border, and he saw what was happening. And as soon as he made that statement, I then said, I'll bet he gets indicted. And that's what happened. He got indicted for speaking the truth and his wife got indicted. Imelda. And that's sort of a first. Usually they leave the wives alone.

[Adam Curry]

Now he comment at the end that usually they like the mob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good. Good catch.

[Adam Curry]

Leave the wives alone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what I caught in there is some Mexican bank. When I hear that, I'm like, uh huh, yeah. What about the Mexican bank? Did he know something about some cash going into the Mexican bank?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea what the deal is with the Mexican bank, but I heard that too. The Mexican bank and then Azerbaijan. I mean, he took a big bribe for them. What? What is that? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So they got the cop 30 or something. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. All of this feels so North Sea Nexus to me. Just feels like it. You know, especially with Hernandez. You know, maybe we may be getting some interesting information.

[Adam Curry]

Well, back to the drug boats. Let's play, play the three by three because it concerns Hegseth and the bull crap about surrounding him.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're singing here comparing stories from abc, CBS, and NBC. The never ending three by three. That's right. We have a three by three from the big three. Abc, cbs, NBC. And it's about the bullcrap. And where do you want to start?

[Adam Curry]

We might as well start with abc.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here we go. Tonight, under mounting pressure, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth insisting the decision to launch a.

[Adam Curry]

Second strike against a suspected drug boat.

[John C. Dvorak]

In September was not his call, but.

[Adam Curry]

That of the mission's commander. Admiral Mitch Bradley sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. And it was the right call. We have his back.

[News Correspondent]

The day after the attack, Hegseth said.

[John C. Dvorak]

He had watched in real time.

[Adam Curry]

I watched it live. We knew exactly who was in that boat.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

We knew exactly what they were doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

But today, Hegseth said he left before the second strike.

[Adam Curry]

I watched that first strike live, as.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You can imagine, at the Department of War.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got a lot of things to do.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the Sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs.

[Adam Curry]

So I moved on to my next meeting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hegseth was asked if he saw survivors.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I did not personally see survivors, but.

[News Correspondent]

I stand because the thing was on fire.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fire.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

It was exploded and fire, smoke. You can't see anything. You got digital. This is called the fog of war.

[John C. Dvorak]

The secretary claims he didn't hear about the second strike until an hour or so later. Over the weekend, President Trump said he hadn't known about the second strike and wouldn't have wanted it.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

We'll look into it. But no, I wouldn't have wanted that. Not a second strike. The first strike was very lethal. It was fine and if there were two people around, but people said that didn't happen.

[Adam Curry]

And today, sitting next to his secretary.

[John C. Dvorak]

The president said he was still somewhat in the dark.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I still haven't gotten a lot of information because I rely on Pete, but to me, it was an attack. It wasn't one strike. Two strikes, three strikes. Somebody asked me a question about the second strike. I didn't know about the second strike. I didn'T know anything about people I wasn't involved in. I knew they took out a boat.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, this is all. All this noise is made by the. Is it the appropriations. The. What's the War Committee?

[Adam Curry]

The War committee, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who are the people? Have oversight over the Military Armed Forces Committee? No, I don't think it's called that.

I still think this is somehow related to fraud that's going to be uncovered in Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry, what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Fraud that will be uncovered in Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Well, going to be. They had a huge case. He's lost a bunch of people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, but I think. I think we may see some of this tie back to kickbacks. This was a lot of money. Remember, all of them were saying, hey, man, it's okay, because this money comes back to America, comes back to our company, to our military companies.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Well, a lot of it gets stolen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, or kickbacks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's corrupt. Ukraine. Hello.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but our own.

[Adam Curry]

Always considered the most corrupt. But I don't see as they have anything to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

They do not like alphabetical order cbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't like Hegseth. That's sitting there. That's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

No, they don't like Hegseth. That's for sure.

[News Correspondent]

One day after the White House confirmed there was a second strike on a suspected Venezuelan drug boat, President Trump today said he did not know about it.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I showed you a lot of information because I rely on Pete, but to me, it was an attack.

[News Correspondent]

The legality of the September 2 attack is in question. After the Washington Post Reported Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth allegedly issued an order to kill everybody. And that Navy Admiral Mitch Bradley apparently ordered the second strike to take out two survivors, fulfilling Hegseth's directive, which many legal experts describe as a war crime. Hegseth said he only saw the first.

[John C. Dvorak]

Strike a couple of hours later.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I learned that that commander had made the.

[News Correspondent]

Which he had the complete authority to do.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat.

[News Correspondent]

Trump also pointed to Admiral Bradley.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I hear the gentleman that was in charge of that is extraordinary, extraordinary person.

[News Correspondent]

But the DoD's law of war manual states that shipwrecked combatants are in a helpless state, and it would be dishonorable and inhumane to make them the object an attack.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did not personally see survivors, but.

[News Correspondent]

I stand because the thing was on fire.

[Adam Curry]

It was exploded in fire smoke.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You can't see anything.

[Adam Curry]

You got digital.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is called the fog of war.

[News Correspondent]

At the Cabinet meeting, the president also talked about his new efforts to pause migration and singled out Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who came to the US as a Somali refugee.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These are people that work. They complain and do nothing but bitch. We don't want them in our country.

[Adam Curry]

Why did they even throw that into the report?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not sure. I do have some stuff on that later. I just wanted to point out one thing, that on December 2, just because Hegseth, you know, he set up new procurement rules, they were going to be looking at different ways of qualifying contractors. And the Missile Defense Agency announced on the second the 1014 qualifying offerors for. Here it comes. The Scalable Homeland Innovation Enterprise Layered Defense Program, which is an acronym for S.H.I.E.L.D.

It'S for the Iron Doe, for the Golden Dome.

[Adam Curry]

Golden Dome.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is worth up to $151 billion. And it went to many small companies. So if there's a reason for the system to hate Hegseth, this is a good way to put the spotlight on him and try and get him out. Especially when he says dumb stuff like, it was the fog of war, man.

[Adam Curry]

Like, yeah, I found that to be stupid.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's dumb.

[Adam Curry]

But he's not, you know, he's. He's a.

He's not well liked by some. Some people. Oh, because he's slightly arrogant. He's got a kind of arrogance I can see would drive some people nuts.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a pretty boy.

[Adam Curry]

And they kept saying that this other guy, this admiral who was in charge of this operation, they keep Saying Hexa threw him under the bus. Hexis did no such thing. No, but he says the guy's great. He did what he's supposed to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

We know we need some PBS clips because they're always sponsored by Northrop Grumman. So we need to hear what they're saying about it.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have to get pbs. We have to get. This is Steve's project. Steve.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, I know Steve is good about this.

[Adam Curry]

Steve needs to add the pbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tonight, President Trump defending striking a boat allegedly carrying drugs to the US Twice. Allegedly. September, allegedly.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

I want those boats taken out. And if we have to, we'll attack on land also, just like we attack on sea. And there's very little coming in by sea. I think we've knocked out over 90%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two people initially survived, and the administration says the decision for a second strike killing all on board was made by Admiral Frank Bradley. Today, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said even though he watched the first part of the attack live, he'd moved on to his next meeting. Before the second strike, Admiral Bradley made.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

The correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. We have his back, and the American.

[John C. Dvorak]

People are safer the.

[Adam Curry]

Because narco terrorists know you can't bring.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Drugs through the water.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you didn't see any survivors. To be clear, after that first strike, I did not personally see survivors, but.

[News Correspondent]

I stand because the thing was on fire.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

It was exploded in fire smoke. You can't see anything.

[Adam Curry]

You got vehicles.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

This is called the fog of war.

[John C. Dvorak]

It comes as the administration ramps up its crackdown on illegal immigration. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC News ICE is planning an operation.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

This.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on a sec. So now I see what. What CBS did is what NBC is doing as well. They're somehow tying in drug boats and killing people. To immigration and ice, it's, it's, it's almost like a mind trick. Like, you know, think about. Think about killing people. You know, boats, borders, stuff.

[Adam Curry]

You know, Double tap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Brown people. Oh, yeah. Somalis exploded in fire. Pirates.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Oh, you can't see anything.

[Adam Curry]

You got digital.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

This is called the fog of war.

[John C. Dvorak]

It comes as the administration ramps up its crackdown on illegal immigration. A senior law enforcement official tells NBC News planning an operation this week in the Minneapolis St. Paul area, where there's a large Somali population.

[News Correspondent]

You told me to look into Minnesota and their fraud on visas and their programs. 50% of them are fraudulent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Federal prosecutors have charged dozens of people in Minnesota's Somali community for allegedly stealing hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money meant for social programs.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

This beautiful place. And I see these people ripping it off. Their country stinks and we don't want them in our country. But when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing, but.

We don't want them in our country, let them go back to where they came.

[John C. Dvorak]

From and fix it now. There's an important nuance in what's happening.

[Adam Curry]

This is a good catch. Well, yeah, associative news coverage is what it amounts to. And they both associate one with the other news. Two separate stories. Let's drag them together and make Trump look bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's an important nuance in the Somali business, which surprisingly ABC tagged in this report this morning.

[News Correspondent]

ICE preparing to ramp up enforcement operations in Minnesota as President Trump lashes out at immigrants from Somalia saying we don't want them in our country. And continues to attack Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

We're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country. Ilhan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These aren't people that work. These aren't people that say, let's go, come on, let's make this place great. These are people that do nothing but complain. They complain and from where they came from, they got nothing. You know, they came from paradise and they said, this isn't paradise. But when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don't want them in our country.

[News Correspondent]

Minnesota is home to the nation's largest Somali population. Multiple law enforcement officials tell ABC News that ICE is preparing for a surge operation in the state, focusing on St. Paul in Minneapolis. As early as this week, the city's mayor says police won't help ICE when they arrive.

[John C. Dvorak]

Targeting Somalis people means that due process will be violated, mistakes will be made.

[Adam Curry]

And let's be clear, it means that.

[John C. Dvorak]

American citizens will be detained for no other reason than the fact that they look like they are Somali.

[News Correspondent]

The president criticizing Somalis for weeks now, terminating temporary protected status for Somalis and writing send them back to where they came from. And this morning, the Trump administration cracking down on immigration nationwide, pausing all immigration applications for people from 19 so called countries of concern, including Somalia, Afghanistan, Venezuela and Sudan.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to remember that the use of temporary status has been abused.

By Biden and by Obama both to bring in cheap labor. And what I think President Trump here is railing against is, hey, we gave these people temporary protective status because Somali is garbage. It's a hellhole. And now they're sitting here and bitching around get them out. And he says, all right, you want to be that way? You want to steal our money? Because, wow, Republicans and Democrats both have blown the whistle so many times on Minnesota about hundreds of millions of dollars being stolen. And it.

[Adam Curry]

Did you see the Tucker Carlson interview with the woman who says that Tim Waltz has been shoveling top secrets to the Chinese? That's why he's taking all those trips to China when he's in the National Guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, I remember that part, but I don't remember. No, I did not hear this. That's good.

[Adam Curry]

It's quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, so somewhere the President called Tim Waltz a retard.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. On Thanksgiving. Well, I have the clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, do you have that clip? I want to hear the clip.

[Adam Curry]

No, I have the reaction clip, which is quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the one on the airplane.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have Trump responding on the airplane. What's your reaction clip?

[Adam Curry]

I had to. Now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah, caught you off guard, didn't I?

[Adam Curry]

A little bit, yeah. Well, you said this.

Oh, man, it's such a funny clip too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me play the. This is short. This is Trump on the plane being asked, do you stand by calling.

Governor Walls retarded?

[News Correspondent]

In that same post you mentioned Tim Walls and you call him what many Americans do find an offensive word, retarded. Do you stand by that claim of calling Tim Walls?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him.

[Guest Commentator]

Absolutely.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Sure.

[News Correspondent]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a problem with it?

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You know what? I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody that would do what he did, anybody that would allow those people into a state and pay billions of dollars out to Somalia. We give billions of dollars to Somalia. It's not even a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's got a name, but it doesn't function like a country. Yeah, there's something wrong with Walls.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is the clip. This is the talk. This is interesting talk sketch. Trump, the thing.

[News Correspondent]

Okay. I'm not a blind Trump supporter. I don't really trust any politician and I voice my discrepancies with Trump all the time. However, calling Tim Waltz a retard on Thanksgiving Day is exactly what I voted for.

[Adam Curry]

So that, that was a funny clip from this woman and it was stolen. The whole gag was stolen by the red headed libertarian.

On Twitter. She did the same gag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really?

[Adam Curry]

I find it very. And I think it's like, you know, there's no. Steal people's material. We would never do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we just Write up, take it and give you credit.

[Adam Curry]

Now, before we leave the Venezuela thing, I do have a clip from that you would appreciate.

This is. And I don't understand what happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. What do you mean? No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not the, the real estate people.

[Adam Curry]

It's the real estate guy.

Now, I'd like to know when Clayton Morris turned on Trump.

He has this woman on who's an apologist for Venezuela's government and she runs supposedly an international news operation. She's the editor of this thing called Kuwashon News. It's K A W N S a C h u n news.com and it's supposed to be international. I'm going to read the headlines from the, from the. From the front page of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me guess, Trump sucks.

[Adam Curry]

The top story is James Cameron's Avatar 3D drop stunning new trailer. Okay, that's the top story. It's right at the top of the. Of the. What you call the fold. This is the woman's Camilla Escalante. And now here's the other headlines. Experts confirm Israel's Gaza assault is genocide. Bobby Kennedy reignites eugenics Debate shocking scandal exposed. Trump Musk's hunt for Social Security fraud deemed a sham. And by the way, every headline's got an exclamation point at the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, of course. That's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump emblem of universal decline and collapse. GOP's agenda exposed how they're making your life tougher.

[John C. Dvorak]

This looks.

[Adam Curry]

High School runner slams main GOP lawmaker for targeting trans race winner.

[John C. Dvorak]

This looks like my YouTube feed.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, goes on, but it's like ridiculous. And so here we have her on the show and then Clayton goes on to a rant, which is information that I had no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we need to explain to everybody that we know Clayton and Natalie personally. Natalie worked for me. Yeah, you trained her. You showed her how to do it.

[Adam Curry]

So me, I gave her some. Yeah, I was the.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you trained her. No, you trained her.

[Adam Curry]

I trained her.

[John C. Dvorak]

I dressed her and got her new hair. That was my job. And I think I did a pretty good job. Got rid of this goofy glasses which are now back. And like now they're back.

You know, they, they moved to Portugal five years ago.

[Adam Curry]

They're back in New Jersey.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're back in New Jersey. And look up Morris Invest and you'll learn more about them. Let's play the clip.

[News Correspondent]

And Trump seemed to have at one point thought that this was his opportunity to do so, but he's seeing that.

[Adam Curry]

The optics aren't very good.

[News Correspondent]

And that people, including the United States in his own party, are not, or at least supporters or voters of his party aren't on board.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you hear that? You hear the MAGA people, people who.

You know, the types I'm talking about, who.

Lick President Trump's feet wherever he walks. It's the narco terrorists. That's what we're stopping. It's the Venezuelan child trafficking operation at News Flash. The United States is one of the largest purveyors of child trafficking in the world.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

In the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

In the world. Guatemala. Why Ukraine? Ukraine is massive child trafficking operation, yet we can pick and choose who we defend in all of this. It's all garbage. We all know it's about the oil. And the Chinese help, who have helped, of course, to try to actually refine.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Some of this oil, which is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

The best oil in the world.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

When it's pulled out of the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

It requires quite a bit of refining. And the Chinese have been able to help. So the Chinese sphere of influence in.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Latin America, the oil, the Chinese, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Russian sphere of influence, the. There. This is exactly why the Trump administration seems to be moving in this direction. Sorry to just monologue there, but I just. I feel like for anyone still falling for the drug argument, they need to get their heads examined. Okay, I can tell you exactly when he became a Trump hater. I could even look up the date if you wanted.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

No? What do you mean, no?

[Adam Curry]

No, you don't have to look up the date. I've taken your word for that. You have a date.

[John C. Dvorak]

When he went on Tucker Carlson show show, that's when it all started to flip. And it's not because Clayton Morris has any political scruples or he cares about America or. No.

[Adam Curry]

You think Tucker flipped him?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, what flipped him was, hey, if I do the stuff Tucker's doing, we'll be more successful. He is a prime. Those two. Natalie and Clayton, prime examples of audience capture.

Because I know. We know what we get when we just say no. We don't think that this is how it works. We don't think that Israel controls America.

Oh, everyone's hair's on fire. You shield. Enjoy your shekels. Curry shekels. Tina said the other day, where is the Jew money? I know few and far between bucks a month.

Those are populist audience capture people. And by the way, that's a lot of them. They think there's a movement. It's America first. You know, it's different from Maga. And Trump is all about foreign Wars.

[Adam Curry]

And he's the blue hat.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have friends who think this, but he's just an ob. He's just. He's just David Icke. He's just completing the great reset. Man. You guys should pay attention. Three more years of this, you're never gonna see it again. Ever, ever, ever. I've said it before. Pay very close attention to what's really happening. But no, it's all about oil. No, it truly is about America first. And even saying that. You guys used to be kind of in the middle of.

[Guest Commentator]

Now you are.

[Adam Curry]

Everything Trump says is that Trump is good, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, we just call what we see.

[Adam Curry]

I like the way you always have a puke sound at the end of these people's little diatribes. This voice you do, you always have that. That's always thrown in.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the truth. It's how I hear it. And I'm just like, why?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, but here's the thing about that. That little diatribe he did. What's he talking about? That the United States is the number one child trafficking country in the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

That may actually be true.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in what way?

[John C. Dvorak]

Purveyor. That more kids are trafficked to the United States than any other country. That.

[Adam Curry]

I think the way he presents it, he says it's us doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He didn't say it right, but I think what he means is that. That more children are trafficked into the United States than other countries. And we have a big country. I don't think China has numbers. Also, I think China has enough children of their own to do stuff with. That sounded bad, but anyway, so. But these are typical audience capture. Oh, I mean, just go back and look at him with, oh, we got an expert marksman. He was in the military. And he's going to explain the magic bullet that hit Charlie Kirk. Oh, yeah. This is how it happened. Happened. That went by the wayside. It's all gone away. And the leader of this ring is Candace Owens. And actually she tweeted something that I.

[Adam Curry]

So. So wait, you think Candace Owens has more influence than Nick Fuentes? Oh, yeah, because Nick Fuentes has got the blue hat that says America first on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but. But Candace Owens has.

There. She's. I think. What's happening here? Let me read what she posted yesterday. Should I do the Candace voice?

I received information last night that put the final pieces together for me. Okay, I got receipts. I now can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage. Yes, I will be naming names and providing evidence for my claims and I am making a personal plea to every well meaning person who donated to this godforsaken organization to request a refund. You are lied to and leadership knew.

So this was responded to by.

Because Turning Point USA has been very quiet for months while Candio has been on this long rant and Blake Neef, the producer of the Charlie Kirk show responded, I can play some of that in a minute. But at the end of his his long response at the top of yesterday's show he said we're going to do a live stream and it's set. He actually posted this on X. The live stream we announced on the show Wednesday has been set 4pm Eastern, 2pm local time because it's Phoenix Monday, December 15th a collection of Charlie's friends will respond to statements made by Eelcandiso to set the record straight once and for all. Prior to the opening of America Fest, we'll be streaming live from Charlie's Phoenix studio. Our offer from yesterday holds. If Candace wishes to join us in person in Phoenix, she is welcome to do so. She can let us know by the end of the day and then Candace replies this this is all playing out on X. This is fabulous. Kind of, kind of weird how you didn't email or call me to ask about times or availability and chose to instead tweet this confirmation out at midnight. Why am I learning about this on X? December 15th does not work in person and 2pm is also literal time. I do my podcast live every day, which you knew. But we will happily cancel the daily podcast and we'll join you guys virtually instead of the livestream on the 15th if that works on your end.

So I have to say that it's what she of all the things she's claimed and I'd love to play a little bit of that the producer guy's claims because it's pretty funny. Of all the things she's claimed, it is very possible that in an organization like Turning Point usa, forget the hundred million dollars a year, the political power of that organization is worth maybe billions or hundreds of billions. Very at the time, at the time of electing President Trump, what Turning Point USA did and they really turned out, I think a lot of.

Late teen, early 20s voters, I think there was that did make a difference. But in general just the clout of Turning Point usa, I can completely see one individual or more people within the organization going hey man, Charlie's screwing things up because you can't go against Israel with an election with a campaign apparatus that's not going to work. I can see that happening. I can see people who saw all this political clout, this power. There's all kinds of people that were hanging around the organization. I'm going to say that's the most reasonable things that she said in a long time time.

Of course, it could also just be that she is doing this with an already destabilized Turning Point USA to kill it. You know, this, this, she could be an op for someone who is against Trump. I mean, she certainly seems against Trump, so anything is possible. But that's finally something she said there that made sense. I'll just let this run until we're tired of it. This guy runs down all of the nutty things Candio has said in the past few months, and I've heard, I think, every single one of them. So he's not exaggerating. We wanted to use this segment at the top of this hour to say something important, something very important. For the past two and a half months, there is a topic that has.

[News Correspondent]

Flooded our freedom inbox.

[John C. Dvorak]

It has been nonstop on social media, but which we have almost totally avoided on this show. You probably already know what I'm talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, who is this?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. Because the show continues. They just have guests come in. Yeah, okay. How ubiquitous it has been ever since Charlie's murder. Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point usa, people at Turning Point Action, and people.

[Adam Curry]

Who work for this show.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's made them against some of Charlie's.

[News Correspondent]

Closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees.

[John C. Dvorak]

She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died, and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She suggested Michael is not his real name.

[Adam Curry]

It is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have seen his birth certificate myself. She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered, which she didn't, by the way.

[News Correspondent]

She doesn't work on campus events.

[John C. Dvorak]

Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a, quote, inside job. She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening. She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for.

[News Correspondent]

Him if he died.

[John C. Dvorak]

She has suggested Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after the shooting to ensure that he died. She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera. She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Bowyer, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns. She has suggested that TP USA Faith affiliated pastors like theologian Frank Turek, who we'll have on in a moment, and Pastor Rob McCoy, are part of the. A military, quote, infiltration of Turning Point, either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are even if not everyone has been named. Specifically, though, Candace has effectively tarred everyone.

[News Correspondent]

Here with complicity in Charlie's death by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Repeatedly saying, all right, so he goes. He goes on for seven minutes. I'll put it in the show notes.

[Adam Curry]

Wow. Entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's very entertaining. But we have to remember one thing. Thing. Her husband. Who. What would you say he is?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I forgot. He's a white guy who's. He's a. He's a. He's part of the. Your. Your favorite group. The. The Nexus. From the. He's a. UK's a Lord or something like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

His dad is a lord.

[Adam Curry]

His dad's a lord.

[John C. Dvorak]

And when you saw Candace's husband, the first thing you said was, he's gay. That's the first thing you said.

Then. That guy is nowhere.

[Adam Curry]

Are you accusing me of saying that? The first thing I said when as soon as I saw that guy, I said, that guy's gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I'm not accusing you.

[Adam Curry]

You're accusing me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It happened on this show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, British guy, and he's involved in banking with the Dutch banks. He has, you know, there's so much British stuff going on here.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's. He's British.

[John C. Dvorak]

That does not. Well, from a Lordship. You know, from Peerage.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Peerage. British. He's part of the system.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So this guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The royal system that's all over the world, even though you like to isolate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You want to hear more of this guy's accusations?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, a couple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just a little bit more. He was, quote, betrayed by, quote, everyone. She has said Charlie's murder, quote, had to be approved by Charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered, too, for, quote, knowing the truth. She's made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at Turning Point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which, again, is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report. And it goes on. But remember, she said Israel had killed him. And you know, and she's still on the hit list from the McCrone.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah. She's on the hit list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, because Macron and I forgot who the ganged up. They're gonna.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gonna kill her. They're gonna kill her. They're gonna kill her. So, you know, like some. Again, I think Turning Point is done. I mean.

Whether they realize it or not. But Charlie Kirk was turning Point usa. No, Charlie Kirk.

[Adam Curry]

Kirk is a charismatic leader that. A high order Charismatic. This is not a slouch. No, this is a high order charismatic leader that was running the thing and keeping it together just because of.

This is. Aura could do it. He could manage to do it. This is one of those guys. Elon Musk is a little bit like this. And he gets people to do stuff and okay, I'd rather work for him than anything else else. And once he's gone, which is the idea, it's called, you know, taking out the head of the snake. It's over. And yeah, it could linger, it could become something else. But it's not going to be what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Where it was headed.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. So whatever's going on.

If it. If somehow it turns out. I mean, she could be right. She could be right. She says she's got names, she's got evidence, she's got proof. Okay, Okay. I mean, I've been waiting.

[Adam Curry]

Seats.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's got receipts. I mean, I.

[Adam Curry]

This is receipts. When did that crop up, by the way? Everybody, I've got receipts.

That's for your taxes. What do you mean you get a receipt?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's been going on for a while. That's. But she kind of revived it. I've got the receipts. Yeah, that's. That's been a thing for a while. You know, people say that no agenda show. Kur Dvorak. They got the receipts, which I think means clips.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sure, Clips.

[Adam Curry]

We got plenty of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got clips, man. We got clips. But it's. It's. I do not deem it impossible. Although how she got from Egyptian Air Force dropping off a hitman to. To. To Turning Point USA being responsible.

[Guest Commentator]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

That makes no sense. But sometimes you gotta.

[Adam Curry]

She takes a shotgun approaches. Or scatter gun, we could call it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she just. Well, she has the CIA, the Candace Intelligence Agency. You know, it's her version of boots on the ground. Except I think hers are nut jobs. You know, like, oh, look what I found. Oh yeah, this is good. Where we have people. Hey, I did a documentary of this.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs Too. But we just don't read their stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we, we read the good ones. We got lots of good ones.

[Adam Curry]

When the nut jobs are funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Well, obviously. But it's very possible that, that there was a coup from inside Turning Point usa. Now it doesn't explain a lot of things. And of course, ever since COVID Why would we trust our government? Nobody trusts the government anyway in any country. Anyone who's smart, it's like, no, you lied, we don't trust you anymore. But people say there's been no autopsy. All of this comes out in court.

You don't release this kind of. It's called.

Witness tampering. Even I think at some point it pollutes the, the public. If you put information out the jury pool. Yeah. And so that's why it will all come out. And there is an autopsy report. And you know, how come we don't know where he was buried? I was like.

It'S almost like Mangioni. We're just now, just now. How long ago was the Mangione thing?

[Adam Curry]

A year ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

A year ago. Just now it's coming to trial and things are coming out. I have a 30 second update just as an intermezzo. Well, the man charged with murdering United Health Care CEO on the streets of Manhattan was back in a New York City courtroom today for a second day. 27 year old Luigi Magione is charged with killing Brian Thompson last December. The former Pengrad's lawyers are trying to get evidence against him thrown out. That includes items found in Mangione's backpack when he was arrested at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania. They also want the 911 call that led to his case capture tossed. Mangione has pleaded not guilty. Not guilty plea. That is interesting.

I didn't do it. Not guilty. And then that just. I.

Look at my timeline and my notifications on X and I see like something really nice happened and was kind of a local story to Austin. At least release something really nice happened and then I'll tell you what people had to say about it. The couple that founded Dell Technologies, Michael and Susan Dell, have announced a $6 billion donation toward new investment accounts for children proposed by the Trump administration. The Invest America accounts will launch next year. The Treasury Department says it will put $1,000 in the accounts of at least 25 million children. The market money donated by the Dells will be for kids 10 years and younger. They'll be eligible to receive $250 each. The Dells say they're investing in Children because they are our future. So it's a total of six and a half billion dollars. And it's kind of a cool idea, these America investment accounts, which, you know, I think the president calls them Trump accounts, but it's really called Invest in America accounts. So the Dells, they say, you know, we're going to put in $250 per child 10 years younger, 25 million children. It'll cost us six and a half billion minimum. They said at least. And they said, hey rich people, you should do the same. And all anybody could talk about is Del's wife. That's got to be a dude. That's a dude. That's a dude. What's up with that? What's up with her eyes? Yeah, it's like that to me is astounding. That's the. No one talks about the money. It's just. She looks like a dude. Have you ever met Michael Dell's wife, Susan?

[Adam Curry]

No, I never have. And I know Michael, but I never met his wife. But she. If you look at her pictures, she had. She had an. Here's what happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

Eye operation.

[Adam Curry]

She had an eye job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And I don't know if she used a Texas person or who it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cattle rancher.

[Adam Curry]

A cattle rancher. But she. If you look at older pictures and she was a brunette especially, she was skinny, she's thin and her eyes are kind of, kind of closed. They were kind of like. They were not a bug eyed look. She had normal looking eyes of a kind of, you know, they were normal looking. If you looked at her, you said that's normal looking. It's not. She didn't have the big beautiful eyes or that sort of thing. And I guess she wanted the big beautiful eyes. And so somebody did an operation on her and they bugged her eyes out. She looks like a freak. I feel bad about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know, me too. It's obvious what happened there. But you know, the world we live in today is just. Man, what the. What the. What is that?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people should recognize what it is and what happened. It's like the same. The people that have that buccal fat removed, you know, you see that and it's like, oh my God, why did you do that to yourself? Because some doctor convinced them that it was a good idea because it makes your face look a little more gone, want less round, which it does, but it also makes you look like a ghoul, if you're thin at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

She should have come by the Curry Dvorak consulting group. We could have given her some. I can just hear the surgeon saying, within 10 days you'll be restaurant ready. It's gonna be great. Don't worry. Some bruising, you'll be fine. Those guys lie.

[Adam Curry]

Some bruising, you'll be fine. She's bug eyed and looks like a freak.

[John C. Dvorak]

My five. I just love that you'll be restaurant ready. Yeah, candlelight maybe. Anyway.

[Adam Curry]

Restaurant ready.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the president had his four hour board meeting, which is another thing that, you know, you get one snippet on the news. It's really interesting to watch that and a couple of things that I wanted to highlight. The first was the labor secretary who was doing exactly what you and I said should be happening in America.

[News Correspondent]

So the labor department has wasted no time in putting that into action with our Make America Skilled again either grant dollars, but the intentionality of the apprenticeship program. One million active apprentices across this country. We have done over 250,000 new apprentices so far in the first year and registered over 2,000 new apprenticeship programs. Why do we need these apprenticeship programs with the men and women in the trades? Because of the leadership of onshoring and reshoring and have a lot of these companies reinvest in America. We have to build this country. We cannot do that without the tradesmen and women and the craftsmen of this country. And I think that, you know, Howard and I, we talked about that from the beginning and we're going to have to lean in on that because we need the labor force. 700,000 new skilled jobs with electricians, construction workers, machinists and so forth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attention Gen Zers who listen to this show. There's a future.

700,000 electricians, machinists, welders, that's gonna those, those aren't gonna be good paying union jobs. They're gonna be money in the bank.

Because all of this manufacturing is coming back and no one seems to care. Strangely, I'm blown away by it. I'm like we've always said, what happened to apprenticeships? These are paid apprenticeships too. You get paid to learn and you can go on and do 150,000, $200,000 a year. This is amazing. By the way, I got a note from Nolan about another thing Gen Zers can't do.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. We should be on a little list.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. He says, I thought this was relevant to Reading Clock and Florida ounces. Two co workers recently stopped me in the hallway to ask me how to strike matches. Every time we try to light them, they break. They said I showed them the proper technique, then stole their matches.

So isn't that interesting? Don't know how to strike a match.

I can see that.

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's no such thing as a matchbook anymore, and so you have to buy those big stick matches in a box.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think matchbooks are still a thing.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't seen a matchbook for five, 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you don't get out much.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I get out enough to find a matchbook. I've not seen a matchbook for five or 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

When's the last time?

[Adam Curry]

And I've only bought the stick matches. They don't even sell those as much.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if you buy cigarettes, they still give you a match book.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I don't buy cigarettes.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go.

[Guest Commentator]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

But then the bombshell. Bombshell. Bombshell. Wait, do you have a bombshell? Where's the bombshell? I don't have my bombshell. The bombshell was the SNAP benefits. Holy moly. Remember how we were surprised about. How much was it?

[Adam Curry]

$80 billion was ridiculous high number.

[John C. Dvorak]

$80 billion. Well, guess what?

[News Correspondent]

We have so much great things to talk about at usda. But the third thing which became very much a part of the national conversation during the Democrat shutdown was SNAP reform, food stamp reform, when all of America saw what so many of us know and have been working on. But when you have so much rampant fraud in a program that 42 million Americans participate in now, big good piece of news that I hope is written about about since you became president. About 800,000 of those 42 million have moved off of food stamps, which is hopefully the plan with better jobs, higher wages, et cetera. But still, when we found 186,000 dead people, or dead people, Social Security numbers being used, 500,000 people receiving benefits more than twice we had a couple of people receiving benefits in six states in. In February of this year, we asked for all the states for the first time to turn over their data to the federal government to let the USDA partner with them to root out this fraud to make sure that those who really need food stamps are getting them, but also to ensure that the American taxpayer is protected. 21 states said yes. Not surprising. 29 states said yes. Not surprisingly, the red states. And that's where all of that data that fraud comes from. But 20, 21 states, including California, New York and Minnesota, the blue states, continue to say no. So as of next week, we have begun and will begin to stop moving federal funds into those states until they comply and they tell us and allow us to partner with them to root out this fraud and to protect the American taxpayer. As Joe Biden was working to buy an election. A year ago, he increased food stamp program funding by 40%. So now, as we continue to roll that back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Duh. Isn't that interesting?

[Adam Curry]

Unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

40% increase and the blue states don't want to give their data.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's typical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I didn't see that report on the news for some reason.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder why I didn't see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anywhere on the news. I'm not sure what happened happened, but.

[Adam Curry]

They must have overlooked it in the editorial meeting when they decide to omit stories on purpose because it reflects poorly on the Democrats and they might not do as well as they could do in the midterms. And the news media's in on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah, get out of town. Nah, that's not possible. That can't be.

[Adam Curry]

I have some clips. I have immigration crackdown clips. I have McGregor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have Colonel McGregor.

[Adam Curry]

McGregor.

[John C. Dvorak]

McGregor.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I want to hear the analysis of Ukraine. Well, if you're going to bring the McGregor clips in, that's when we get to play MP3. MP3.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do we play that first?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Curry]

This is an analysis and McGregor goes on this show called the something Some ex. Some vet guys is a. Does a thing called the something something deep dive. McGregor's on the show. This show is on YouTube. It has all of 30K listeners. And of course McGregor won't do an interview with us with a million listeners. Well, not with you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not with you because.

[Adam Curry]

Well, whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't like your approach to him.

[Adam Curry]

I find it incredibly offensive that he's a stick in the mud, but he still has good stuff to a point. He does not recognize.

The salesmanship of Donald Trump. His analysis is good, though, and he brings in some. He brings in a perspective that is enjoyable to listen to because it is a little. It comes in from a different angle. And this is McGregor analysis of the war. What do you make of that charge that the Europe and Ukraine are trying to sabotage Trump's 28 point peace plan to put poison pills in that they know Russia won't accept?

[Guest Commentator]

Well, the peace plan is no peace plan. It's got lots of poison pills in it anyway. So I think that's dead on arrival. Let's understand what Kushner and Witkoff are about. They're trying to salvage something for President Trump. Trump. President Trump wants to be able to declare a victory for President Trump. This has nothing to do with Ukraine. As far as he's concerned. He could care Less, he's already abdicated his responsibility for leadership in Europe and NATO. So apparently, he doesn't have the authority that he needs from his backers in New York City and the city of London to move forward, to really do anything. So what is he doing? He sent Kushner and Witkoff to go over there and say, look, look, Mr. Putin, we don't really disagree with you. What we really want is some sort of bone that you can throw Trump so that Trump can come out publicly and say, look, I've done everything I can, and this is the road to peace, and I've negotiated this with President Putin. He's on board now. It's up to everybody else. And as he said a few days ago, if they're not going to accept this, and as far as he's concerned, Ukraine can fight out its little heart. You know, this is. This is nonsense. None of this is substantive. The Russians have laid out routinely the minimal conditions for the acceptance of any peace agreement. They have never changed. So what do Witkoff and Kushner think they're going to get? In other words, the baby is ugly. The baby's not going to become beautiful. It's ugly. It's in the cradle. Some would like to strangle it. Trump wants to rescue it, but it's not going to happen. So it doesn't make any difference what Kushner and Witkoff do?

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah.

Okay, I have some. I have some clips that can parry that, but we'll listen to your.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's pipe a part two of this.

[Guest Commentator]

And believe me, I'm sure that President Putin, his inner circle, understand this. And if they can throw a bone to Donald Trump, give him something that he can point to that says, I created this, I'm the heroic figure that brought peace, tranquility, and good fortune to Ukraine, they'll do it because they want this damn thing over as well. Not because they're losing, not because they can't win. That's all nonsense. Now. Now let's move to the European side. MATS is on very thin ice. Look at events in Berlin. Look at the people in the streets. Look at the strength that the people on the right, the nationalist right in Germany, are achieving. They're not a bunch of crazies. They're not Nazis or any of this other crap that the globalists, you know, promote. They're simply German nationalists who said, enough, enough. And look at their platform and what's in their platform. Their platform says. Says, we want a restoration of good relations with Russia. We want to go back to doing business with the Russians. The majority of Germans will support that. They know that. Matz knows it. This is the final hour for Matz, for Macron, for Starmer and the others. They have to come up with something that keeps the war going. If they can't. And God forbid peace should arrive on the battlefield because Zelensky suddenly leaves the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Country.

[Guest Commentator]

Or he and his friends are accidentally blown up. Who knows? Whatever happens, that's the end of them. They lose everything. Whatever little bit of credibility they may still have. And Macron and Mats are always. They're all hovering down there around 30% approval ratings. Starmer is probably lower. It's over for them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm in agreement there certainly on the. Zelensky might get blown up. Bit it.

Unfortunate drone incident.

[Adam Curry]

Something can happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, his. His brain left. His brain left the building. The guy's an actor. He's a dancer.

[Adam Curry]

A dancer? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a tiny dancer.

[Adam Curry]

It's true.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a tiny dancer.

[Adam Curry]

He's a tiny dancer. This brings us to. He. He. To make his point that this goes on. I have two more clips. But. But to make his point, he brings in your buddy Ruta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

And to prove the point, he says. He says Ruta's a. See, this is where he starts missing the point. He doesn't see Ruta as a sales guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Doesn't understand Trump as a sales guy. He doesn't get sales. He's a military guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh man, this is so good.

[Adam Curry]

And so because he doesn't get sales, he. So he plays Ruta. So he. They play a clip of Ruta and the clip they play is this one, which is a. Which was from two days ago.

[Guest Commentator]

Ago.

[Adam Curry]

This is the MP3. MP3 clip. But this is Margarita with his latest appeal.

[John C. Dvorak]

As we work for peace, we cannot lose sight of Russia's increasingly brutal attacks against Ukraine. Russia is systematically targeting civilian infrastructure, depriving Ukrainians of heat and light at the start of winter. Russia is not alone in this war, as China continues to be its decisive enabler and Iran and North Korea also provide support. Since the earliest days of Russia's full scale invasion, allies have shown unwavering commitment to Ukraine. In recent months, European and Canadian allies have provided billions of dollars of essential US Equipment to Ukraine through Pearl. This support is an important part of our ongoing efforts to ensure Ukraine has. Has what it needs to defend today and deter future aggression. So what you called MP3. MP3. I have that exact clip in my list as Rutte's new sales pitch.

But and before we get back to McGregor, I have 40 seconds because a lot went on in Europe. This is how, before he even got to that pitch, this was the wind up before the press. Yeah. But what's important is that the weapon flow and all the other supports keeps on flowing, including. We must keep the weapons flow flowing. They must keep flowing. The Danish Lithuania initiative of investing in the defence industrial base in Ukraine, including the Czech ammunition initiative, including all the bilateral support going into Ukraine. I commend what the Irish have announced yesterday. So I think this is all important. Of course, Ireland, not a NATO, but still supporting. Supporting Ukraine. Of course, the way to fund it is debate and I'm not going into that because this is really up to the EU and I know the European Union is working hard at solving that issue. Yes. Thank you so much. You're welcome. We'll meet again. Okay. After all the meetings. Thanks, thanks. Okay, bye. Bye. Thanks. I'll get to the money bit after your McGregor stuff. So. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, well, there's one little clip. I got two clips up. But there's a short clip here which was to me. Oh, okay. Because I've been bitching and moaning and groaning about this one little. And I never thought about this. And this is the clip. 3. This is the aha clip. And I just want to play this as a side kind of an aside and then I'll reference back to my. My earlier complaints.

[Guest Commentator]

The. The Russians have been very precise in their application of military power from the beginning of this operation. And I say that because it's very difficult. We talk all the time about precision strike and minimizing collateral damage. You're always going to have collateral damage no matter how precise you are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are.

[Guest Commentator]

But the Russians have actually done an exceptionally good job of minimizing civilian losses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm.

[Adam Curry]

I've always said they did a 10 hour drone and missile strike. 10 hours and they killed two.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This is what he's talking about. I didn't realize that. This is what the Russians are. They're not trying to kill people at all. They're blowing up substations and infrastructure and where the bomb making facilities. Who knows what.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So they are bombing for 10 hours and they're killing very few people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And that's because I kept. Because the way the news presented is a Russian did this and they killed a baby. And you know, it was the whole thing. But wait a minute. They bombed for 10 hours and they killed a baby? That's it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's the reason I did. So I think McGregor hit something there that made it worth my while. Now, here's the last part, which you'll appreciate. Appreciate.

[Guest Commentator]

But what I want to stop and get people to think about is who in the hell is Ruta? Where does he come from? I don't wish to be too delicate in this, in this sense.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on, let me just set it up. He was in human resources with the rest of the ladies at.

[Adam Curry]

No, he doesn't get that granular. It's more generalized.

[Guest Commentator]

Okay, but he's from the Netherlands. Oh, now many people live in the Netherlands.

[John C. Dvorak]

17.

[Guest Commentator]

Well, if I were running the show, I would say, say, how many forces can the Dutch put into the field?

[John C. Dvorak]

10.

[Guest Commentator]

How many forces can the Norwegians put in the field?

[John C. Dvorak]

11.

[Guest Commentator]

Remember Stoltenberg from Norway making all these utterly ridiculous and stupid remarks, 90% of which were lies. The same thing with Rudra. You know, anybody who is a real leader in the west would turn to these people and say, shut up and sit down. We, we, the United States, Washington, have no interest whatsoever in continuing this destructive and pointless war with Russia. So we're not interested in what you have to say any longer. You know, the Germans understood this for years. The Russians have always understood it. At some point, you need to say put up or shut up. During World War II, when we had 63 divisions in France, the British, including the Canadians, had 19. And the thing that no one on the Soviet side could never understand was why Eisenhower paid any attention whatsoever to what Montgomery and Churchill had to say. They had no skin in the game compared with us. 63 divisions versus 19. Well, you have a similar situation today in Europe. What is your military power?

[Adam Curry]

Power?

[Guest Commentator]

How many forces have you got? The answer to those things is not much, if anything, worthy of attention. So someone needs to tell these people, shut up, sit down. Here's the answer. That is what President Trump should do.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he does. He really doesn't understand the game at all.

[Adam Curry]

No, he misses the. He doesn't understand sales.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because here is Rutte. Being that he's got the brown shoes on, he's good to go. Well, I do not know. I don't think that Plan B we have to think about because the US Is very consistent in support for Ukraine, like so. But he's taught. So the question was, what if America pulls out? He says, no, no, no, this is not going to happen. All NATO allies are very consistent. Of course, what the US Told us is we want to supply Ukraine with necessary weapons, both lethal and non. Lethal. Yes, we want to supply with weapons. This is a Sales gig. But we expect Europeans and Canadians, Canadians to step up when it comes to the paying for it.

[Guest Commentator]

And that's the school program where.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's your money. Where is the money? We're not giving you credit. You must show us the money. The US is delivering the necessary weapons, including the air defense systems. More money for the Patriot systems, but also for, for the other air defense systems and all the other stuff and all the military gear you need to stay as strong as possible in the fight. Paid for by European and Canadian allies. And that is the big program. It started in July and at the moment already 5, 4 billion and I think by the end of the year, 5 billion of that supply will have been delivered to Ukraine. Critical material. But I have no reason to think that we have to prepare for those eventualities. No, just pay up with the money. So the money is what's on the table. And Queen Ursula came out yesterday and she laid. And it's interesting because I didn't realize that this, I don't, I didn't clip it because it was so long and boring, but she said we have tables. Two things now in America, if you say we've tabled that, it means we're not going to consider it.

Am I right?

You've muted yourself, which is illegal in 29 states.

Unmute.

[Adam Curry]

You know, it's when I open something and I. It's hard to explain how that happens. No, it means you put it aside.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but in Europe.

[Adam Curry]

But it doesn't mean you're not going to address it someday.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but in, in Europe, when you say we've stabled two proposals, that means we have two proposals on the table.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know, I was confused. I was really confused. Well, here's.

[Adam Curry]

We learned something today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is the France 24 overview clip. This high rise in Brussels is at the center of an argument over how the EU could help fund Ukraine's war efforts. It's the headquarters of Euroclear, a Belgian financial institution which holds the vast majority.

[Guest Commentator]

Of frozen Russian assets in the EU to the tune of about 185 billion euros.

[John C. Dvorak]

The EU has proposed using a huge chunk of that money, or about 90.

[Guest Commentator]

90 billion euros, to help Kyiv in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Its fight against Russia over the next two years.

[News Correspondent]

And since pressure is the only language the Kremlin responds to, we can also dial it up. We have to increase costs of war for Putin's aggression. And today's proposal gives us the means to do this.

[Guest Commentator]

The money would come to Kyiv in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The form of so called reparations loans in theory, the money would be repaid on the condition that Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for the destruction it caused during the war. The plan also rests on the assumption that Russia's assets would remain frozen for the foreseeable future. Moscow has called the plan illegal. And if Russia decides to sue Euroclear, Belgium says it alone would suffer all the legal and financial risks. It is not acceptable to use the money. Money and leave us alone facing the risks. We have repeatedly said that we consider the option of the reparations loan the worst of all. As it is the worst of all. It has never been done before. Nope. Ukraine's budget and military needs through 2027 total an estimated 130 billion euros. And with the Trump administration having said installed financial support for Kyiv, Europe is under growing pressure to fill the gap. Okay, so this is kind of what McGregor was talking about, because they, they, they, they need money to fund this thing, to keep this war going. They can't really print money in Europe. They don't have a. A world reserve currency. So, you know, printing up a couple hundred billion euros is going to weaken the euro. And that's just. It's. And it's a nonstop harder. So there's only two ways they can do it. And Ursula laid this all out. One is you can raise the money in the capital market, so borrow, which would. I mean, that also could weaken the whole eu, the euro and everything. You know, create some kind of bond, or you steal the Russian money. And here's Ursula explaining the math because she's taken it to a level. You know what? We're not going to steal the money from Euroclear. You got to listen carefully to what she says. We're only going to take 90 billion to start with. And here's how the math works out.

[News Correspondent]

That was a very clear tasking by the European Council. You remember, it started with me writing a letter to the European Council with three different options that were in the options paper, a debate we had last time, and the very clear tasking to come early enough before the December European Council with legal text. That's what we're doing here today.

And now to the figures. If you take all CSDs and commercial banks, the mobilized Russian assets, overall, it's 210 billion.

Now, what did we do? We looked at the needs for Ukraine in the years 26 and 27 as calculated by the IMF, and this is 137 billion euros. And we've said we cover two thirds. And this is how we come to the 90 billion euros, 2/3 of these needs for the next two years.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's a lot of nice accounting. But really what she's saying is there are CSDs, so there's secured deposits of Russian money in different banks. So she's saying, well, yeah, we won't go to Euroclear. We'll steal the money from all the other places where the, where the assets have been frozen. And I found an analyst on cnbc. I'd never seen her before. She is kind of a Eastern European, maybe Russian accent. But she did a pretty good job of analyzing what is really happening here. For start, the frozen assets is way bigger than 90. That's not her, obviously.

[News Correspondent]

I can explain the figure in a moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, explain the figure.

[News Correspondent]

It's 90 billion for a period of two years. So there's more. You're right, we're talking about almost 300 billion that are indeed frozen at the moment. But what the European Commission is saying is that we are going to use for the time being only 90 billion for the next two years to support Ukraine. That doesn't cover all the financing needs, but it's just what the Commission decided to put forward at this stage.

[John C. Dvorak]

I see a floor in this plan immediately and I'm pretty sure as part of, I don't know, we are down to 27 bullet points or 28 bullet points between Putin and Trump at the moment. I'm pretty sure that part of that plan was you hand back those frozen assets.

[News Correspondent]

You're right. And there's so many angles we could take with the story because there are so many issues here actually. So I'll try to explain it as best as I can because good enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

For me, that's for sure.

[News Correspondent]

I'll do my best. So what the European Commission said yesterday was okay, we need to support Ukraine with further financing. What we're suggested to do is to use this so called frozen Russian assets, assets that are held on European continent. So what the Commission is trying to do here is to try to use the assets that are available across the bloc, not just in Belgium, because we know Belgium, where the majority of the assets are held, has had very strong legal concerns about this problem. But even before the Commission put forward this proposal, Belgium was already saying they had issues with with it. We heard for instance from the Foreign Affairs Minister Maxim, saying that they were going to plead for alternatives here and indeed they believe the EU borrowing is the best option rather than using the frozen Russian assets.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Ursula herself is a sales lady and she came out with these two proposals. One, well, we'll bar. We'll just borrow the money or we can steal it from the Russians over here. And our analyst explains what that was really about. It was your typical would you like the sandals, the sneakers or the shoes? I really want to sell you.

[News Correspondent]

What the European Commission also suggested yesterday was if we don't go down the route of using the frozen Russian assets, we can indeed go to the markets and actually borrow cash to support Ukraine. But that is actually even more complicated from a European perspective because in order to do so, you would need all of the member states, all of the 27, to say yes to that plan. And we know countries such as Hungary are likely to raise issues with that. So one year official told me yesterday that by putting forward two proposals, what the European Commission is trying to do here is to show to the member states that the most viable option is still to go down the route of the frozen Russian asset.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now we know the Russians think this is illegal. It is illegal. It would end.

The at least the European financial.

Integrity. Who would ever want to bank with anything?

[Adam Curry]

Why would you send your money over there for any investment purposes or anything for that matter, if they're going to steal it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, according to Ursula, on a whim. Listen to this. Listen. Who's egging her on to do it?

[News Correspondent]

We have informed the US administration. I've spoken for example to Scott Bessant that we are planning before right before for today that we're planning on developing a system of the reparations loan. It was positively received.

[John C. Dvorak]

I could just hear yeah, yeah, do it, Ursula, good idea. Go ahead, do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. You can do it. Who cares about the City of London? Who cares about Frank or do it. Just do it.

[News Correspondent]

Who have potentially immobilized Russian assets. And the concern construction is in a way that it invites others also to join with their immobilized Russian assets.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah.

[News Correspondent]

So that they can contribute also to the financing of Ukraine and contribute in the way the reparation loan. Reparations loan is working.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dude, this is so dumb. It's. I don't even understand. Is she. She is her job. Is it to kill the European Union? Maybe we've misjudged her. Maybe she's a Manchurian candidate.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think so.

[John C. Dvorak]

And listen to this. If that wasn't stupid enough. Oh let's we. We gotta top her.

[News Correspondent]

A move that looks set to turn off the tap on Russian gas forever were praised by the European Commission president. We're turning that page and we're turning it for good. This is the dawn of a new era, the era of Europe's full energy independence from Russia. After pledging to reduce Russian energy intake following the full scale invasion of Ukraine, the share of Russian gas in EU imports has fallen from 45% in 2021 to 12% as of October this year. But while Europe has slashed pipeline delivery, it's partly turned to liquefied natural gas shipped by sea, unloaded at ports and fed back into the network. Imports of Russian lng into the EU are still expected to amount to 15 billion euros this year. Under Wednesday's agreement, Russian pipeline gas will be phased out by the end of September 2027 and LNG imports banned by the end of next year. The Commission also wants to end remaining imports of Russian oil with legislation to be proposed next year. But this agreement is already facing challenges from member states. Slovakia, still highly reliant on gas and oil from Moscow, is weighing its legal options, while Hungary's foreign minister says his country already has a plan.

[Adam Curry]

As soon as the REpower EU plan is formally adopted, we will immediately challenge.

[John C. Dvorak]

It before the EU Court of Justice. Legal proceedings will start without delay. Preparatory work is already underway.

[Adam Curry]

We will do everything necessary to defend Hungary's energy security.

[News Correspondent]

Meanwhile, the Kremlin has condemned the move, saying it would doom Europe to becoming less competitive and lead to higher prices for consumers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, these people are insane. And right on cue in the Netherlands, where they have an open energy market, which means you can, you know, you can brand your own version of energy. Oh, we're the green guys. Take our, take our electricity. Every single one of them is now introducing smart heating. Oh yeah.

So, so you will get, you know, this is, we, this, this already failed here in America. But yeah, we're going to give you a thermostat that we can control to heat your home smartly.

[Adam Curry]

You remember it was, yeah, the remote control thermostat.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was three years ago.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe it was longer than that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two or three years ago. We had friends here, they're in their 70s.

And you know, the business people that have some stores around here used to do some real estate state. And they both had the flu, which is not nice. But he said he sent out a text message, say, hey, you know, I signed up for that smart heating thing and now it's, you know, it's 28 degrees and we can't turn the heat up manually because they had opted into one of those stupid plans. So I had to take a space heater over to them. This is the dumbest Idea India, all of Europe is being ruined by this woman.

[Adam Curry]

This is a capture by the Greens. I mean, this is obviously a problem. Now, this brings us to another point. I think McGregor made it, or somebody did, which is they predict that Germany, because of the AfD.

At some point they're going to cave and the AFD is going to take over the place. And the first thing they're going to do is get out of the EU and get out of NATO, of course, because then they can do business. Russia, really well, you don't want their gas, we'll take it and the Russians will have it at a cheaper price. I mean, anything's cheaper than hauling it over in a ship, right? And then so they're just, they ramp back up. I mean, Germany is the, is the industrial powerhouse that can ramp up in a minute if you give them cheap energy.

And they'll just run roughshod over the rest of the rest of these European countries, which pressure are going to be what's left of the eu.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're going to be starving, starving. The hunger winter. Let's get an update from the North Sea Nexus on how the Russian peace talks went.

[News Correspondent]

The announcement of the EU's plans came after high stakes peace talks between the US and Russia in Moscow failed once.

[Adam Curry]

Again to produce any breakthrough.

[News Correspondent]

Russia has dismissed any suggestion that Vladimir Putin rejected all of President Trump's proposals. But at a Nate.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an interesting line that she uses here.

[Adam Curry]

So that's very interesting construction. You're right, I heard it too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

She says, but you're going to have to elus read it or repeat it or shape yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll do both. So she says Russia has rejected any claims that Putin rejected all of the proposals. So what you're hearing as a casual listener of the BBC is, oh, Russia rejected all claims, rejected everything. But that's not what she actually said. The Russians rejected this notion that Putin rejected everything.

[News Correspondent]

Again, to produce any breakthrough, Russia has dismissed any suggestion that Vladimir Putin rejected all of President Trump's proposals. But at a NATO meeting in Brussels this morning, the Secretary General, Mark Rutted, said if the peace talks took too long, there were two ways to put pressure on Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

One is making sure that the Russians understand that a rapid flow into Russia will keep on going. This is something that's happening today thanks to the us thanks to Europeans. US sending its crucial gear to Ukraine, paid for by Canada and European allies, but also Europe and Canada doing a lot bilaterally and secondly, making sure that the economic sector sanctions bite, that they are effective that's also exactly happening. Yes. Despite the customary smart bites. The people will be very cold in Europe, but they bite. Okay, that's good. They. They bite. Despite the customary smiles and handshakes for the cameras, NATO countries meeting here know.

[Adam Curry]

They'Ve been sidelined from the Ukraine peace.

[John C. Dvorak]

Process by their biggest and most influential member, the US Secretary of State. Marco Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. Absence. President Trump is pushing for an immediate end to the war and has already stopped giving weapons to Ukraine. What does that even mean? Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. What is the subtext of that?

[Adam Curry]

There is some subtext because in all the analysis I've been listening to, there's something about Rubio is. I think McGregor's right. The whole thing is really about getting a bone for Trump and ending the war that way with some phony baloney thing that's going to happen and Rubio is not part of it, because he would.

That's not him. They want these two sales guys in there, Witkoff and Kushner, to try to push this across the line and Rubio's not involved. He's just not involved.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is conspicuous by his absence. President Trump is pushing for an immediate.

[Adam Curry]

End to the war and has already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stopped giving weapons to Ukraine, although he is still willing to sell them via Europe for now. As for the Putin Witkoff meeting in.

[Adam Curry]

Moscow last night, the Kremlin said it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Would be wrong to suggest President Putin had rejected the US Proposals and insisted there could be more meetings with the Americans for as long as necessary.

[Adam Curry]

Crucially, though, there's no sign whatsoever Moscow is ready to give up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up its key demand for Ukrainian territory it hasn't yet taken in exchange for ending the war. So that's the BBC's take. And remember, it starts with the talks have failed. Let's listen to the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is the BBC. They're. They're just gone off the rails. I have to say that this brings to back to mind that Zelensky either fleeing the country or getting blown up. Oh, yeah, but I think he's going to flee the country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they only have two weeks. Two weeks until the money. The money is on the table or decided what they're going to do. Do to continue to vep and flow. But the thing is, I think there's an ambassador somewhere. There's the Ukrainian ambassador to, I want to say the UK And I think if Zelensky goes out, that guy comes in, in.

I've been hearing his name. Let me see what is.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Zelensky's got to go because once he lost his, his aide. Decay hasn't really run anything that his producer, his, you know, tv, radio. His producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

His producer, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Once that guy left, had the, he, he fleed, you know, he's not indicted. He's gone. He took off. Yeah, Once he left, he's in, he's rudderless.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in Monaco.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he went to Monaco.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's where they all are. If you go to Monaco, there's Rolls Royces, Ferraris, always.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no, I've been to Monaco a couple of times, but all.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you didn't let me finish. All with Ukrainian license plates.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's, I don't, I never noticed. But I'll say this, Monaco. If you're going to escape to someplace and they let you do it, you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want to go to Monaco.

[Adam Curry]

That's where I'd go.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. Okay. Here's the French 24 version of the talks report.

[News Correspondent]

The Trump administration's top envoys have once again left the Kremlin empty handed with no peace deal. Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner sat down with Russia's Vladimir Putin tasked with finding a way to end the war in Ukraine. They discussed the framework of the revised U. S Backed peace plan. Putin's foreign policy aid said it was a positive discussion but more work needs to be done.

[John C. Dvorak]

The conversation was very useful, constructive and very meaningful. It lasted not for five minutes but for five hours. We could agree with certain things and President Putin confirmed this to his interlocutors. We criticized some things and the president did not hide our critical, even negative attitude to a number of proposals.

[News Correspondent]

No details have been given about what was discussed, but Yuri Yushakov said they did talk about the territorial problem. Moscow has not backed on on its territorial demands seeking Russian sovereignty not just in the 20% of Ukrainian land currently controlled by its troops, but also calling on the Ukrainian army to retreat from the front line and concede further losses.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love how she says there's no details, but then she has all these details. She got a lot of details.

[News Correspondent]

Russia's also calling for a more than 30% reduction in the size of Ukraine's army and the possibility of ability of Ukrainian NATO membership to be completely off the table. Ukrainian President Zelensky has been on tour around Europe to fortify support against Russia's invasion. Before details of the U. S. Russian meeting emerged, he once again reiterated his country's need for long term deterrence against Russian aggression.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's a little different than the BBC is like, well, the Russians right there said, well, you know, we got along in some things. We. They listened to us. We had some points we didn't agree on on. There was a real conversation.

But, oh, no, not according to the BBC. Oh, no. Oh, no, no.

So two weeks. The. The clock is ticking. Two weeks for the money. They're gonna have to make a decision in. The European Commission has to make a decision. Are we gonna borrow the money or are we gonna steal the money?

It's such a great. This is a great show to watch. I really love it. It's funny, especially with Ursula. Those two just make it great. And then, oh, all of a sudden. Let me ask you a question.

What is the point of banning countries from international events like, you know, Russia. Russia is not allowed to be in Olympics.

[Adam Curry]

Virtue signaling. No real reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, there is really no reason. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't.

[Adam Curry]

No. In fact, it does the opposite of what these events are supposed to do, which is bring people together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's the latest.

[News Correspondent]

It's a major test for the world's most beloved international song competition. Members of the European Broadcasting Union, the body that organize Eurovision, will meet Thursday to decide whether Israel can compete in 2026. Public broadcasters from Spain, Slovenia, the Netherlands and Ireland have threatened to withdraw if Israel participates, citing the Palestinian death toll in Gaza due to Israel's offensive. A boycott could be a blow for sponsorship and viewership, particularly by Spain, which is one of the big five contributing countries.

[John C. Dvorak]

We hold the same position we had.

[Adam Curry]

Months ago when we said Israel's participation in the Eurovision festival was untenable for two main reasons.

[John C. Dvorak]

Firstly, because of the genocide side it.

[Adam Curry]

Has perpetrated in Gaza. Eurovision is, of course, a contest, but.

[John C. Dvorak]

Human rights are not a contest.

[News Correspondent]

Eurovision has always aimed to remain apolitical, but Israel's participation has heavily influenced the last few editions this year. Critics accused Israel of unfairly boosting support for its entrant, Yuval Raphael, a survivor of the October 7 attacks, pushing her to a second place finish despite little backing from professional juries. The controversy pushed EBU to change its voting rules aimed at pacifying angry member states. Members will discuss Thursday whether these new rules are adequate or else there will be a vote on participation. Should Israel be voted out, it wouldn't be the first country to be barred. Russia has been excluded from Eurovision since its 2022 invasion of Ukraine and Belarus since 2020. Eurovision 2026 is scheduled to take place next May in Austria.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the Dutch. The Dutch. Oh, no. If Israel. If Israel is in it. We're out. We're going to boycott it. What?

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

This presents a great opportunity, though. This is where America should step up and should say, we're creating the gayest song contest of the world ever and everybody's invited and we can do it. Yes. Yes. And Trump could do it. The gayest song contest in the world. Let's get rid of this Eurovision crap and we'll. And we'll even give the UK an advantage because they're always last. We'll give them. We'll give them a five point advantage. It would be fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Handicap.

[John C. Dvorak]

A handicap. Thank you. A handicap. It would be great. This is.

That's what they're worried about. Man, man, man. So all eyes. Two weeks. I'll keep my eye on it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we'll be. We'll be on top of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course. It's so good.

[Adam Curry]

I have a couple of clips from two, actually, which is. A couple, but it's not really. In fact, they screwed it up twice. That's good to know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Arctic Frost.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So which one is. Is it a series?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the first, the ones that say one are both the same, which should be because they're one. But I look at the time and I say, oh, I forgot to cut it. And I'm guessing it cuts off. I'll tell you when to stop it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go. Good afternoon, everybody. A little bit of history before I get to what we're. Oh, this is. What's his name?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is what's his name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the old guy. The old geezer.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the 90 year old guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only guy who's still on top of Arctic Frost in. In our government. All right, good. We love him.

[Guest Commentator]

Leasing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today I started the investigation into Arctic frost July 2022 based on whistleblower disclosures. Based on these disclosures, we know that weaponized taxpayer funded agents and prosecutors advance the investigation. Investigation.

[Adam Curry]

As Arctic frost advanced, 92 Republican organizations or individuals were targeted, not just Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they were added to its scope. And author of that targeting list was Special Agent Washington Walter Giarradino.

[Adam Curry]

He's the same weaponized agent who was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Involved in other cases against Republicans, including Peter Navarro. We've learned Jack Smith secretly obtained phone.

[Adam Curry]

Record data from at least eight senators and one congressman.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've recently been informed by Verizon that at least 11 members with Verizon accounts were affected. They. That includes a hard line for Senator.

[Adam Curry]

Cruz's office and a staffer cell phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

For former Senator Loeffler. AT&T informed me they Challenged the legal.

[Adam Curry]

Basis for Jack Smith's efforts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Smith's back down. We already had this, though. I thought we had this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he keeps repeating. And so it's like I keep getting the sense that this is a commercial.

[John C. Dvorak]

For AT&T.

Because we protect your privacy. Pay no attention to that building on Second street in San Francisco where we tap the entire Internet.

The building with no windows.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, the building's beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a beautiful window. Yeah, beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You can stand out in front of it and point at it and the cops will show up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You don't have to play anymore. This. But this is that this is getting no coverage whatsoever by the mainstream media at all. And I'd like to know why.

It's like the story we covered earlier in the show. And it's another thing. You brought it. You brought it in the clip that. No. Zero coverage.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but we need. We need to do.

War crime crimes. War crimes.

[Adam Curry]

So this is a follow up. Not to. We can drop the Arctic Frost up and go to. Jack Smith called. This is another thing that nothing's going to come of it. I'll be definitely dogging this hearing when it happens.

[News Correspondent]

Special counselor Jack Smith has been called to appear before the House Judiciary Committee. In a letter, Chairman Jim Jordan told Smith this is over the prosecution of President Trump. Smith investigated President Trump for allegedly meddling in the 2020 election. He eventually brought criminal charges against Trump, one related to the election, another for allegedly mishandling classified documents. Both cases were dropped after Trump won re election. The subpoena also demands all documents and communications related to Smith's time as special counsel. Smith is expected to appear on December 17th.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing will come of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

This is embarrassing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well. Well, I still think that there's more going on at the Department of Justice because Bondi will do whatever she's told. The whole point of putting her in charge, and I presume Patel and Code Bongino is to route out the bad actors and all the nonsense and all the crap that's been going on for years and years and years. And I think some of it will come out. I don't know about.

This particular item, but we're going to. It has to be. Trump is going. As long as he stays alive. We had a perfect mri, by the way, so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, everything's perfect. Best ever, in fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

He aced it. He aced his mri.

[Adam Curry]

He aced the mri. That's a good. I got an X ray the other day. I aced it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I aced IT man, no problem.

Yeah, he's out for blood for everything. He's ripping apart all of these systems, all of it.

[Adam Curry]

It and well, as best he can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't forget USAID shut down.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, yeah, that's really good. That's a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Huge thing.

[Adam Curry]

Of course the Democrats will get in because nobody votes in the midterms, especially the lazy Republicans. And so they, they'll get back in and they'll make a mess of things once they get back. That's the House back. They won't get the Senate.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why you activate Flynn. Get everybody afraid of the Muslims.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, we got a think that's going.

[John C. Dvorak]

To do the trick, but maybe, maybe not.

[Adam Curry]

Now I have a pre donation clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, perfect. And can I just remind everybody I was talking to a friend yesterday and.

He works for a very big Christian organization and his wife.

She'S a no agenda nut. She loves the show. He says to me, my wife listens more to you and John than to me me. Which by the way, she's a good woman. A good woman will keep your marriage healthy for a long, long time.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Another person on the call who also.

[Adam Curry]

Listens is probably listening while she's cleaning. That's how good of a woman she is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, thanks, John. I'm really helpful. Very helpful. And his colleagues, he says, hey, you know, I didn't realize it, but when you guys go to thank people donation, there's like a whole hour of show after that. I said yes. I looked down like, oh, there's an yes. We thank people who are executive and associate executive producers and then we come back with more show. Yeah, it's amazing. People think, oh, donations. Guess the show's over.

[Adam Curry]

We don't do donations at the end of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. But in fact, in fact we even.

[Adam Curry]

Have a tip at the end after the second round of donations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tip of the day. And there's stuff in the donation segment that you are missing thing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, every so often. There's some really great stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

More often than every. So anyway, your pre donation clip, which is what?

[Adam Curry]

So this woman, Lily Gaddis, I don't know if you're familiar with her, she's a YouTuber. Oh, she is a character on YouTube that is. And she got demonetized and kicked off and that's the point of the donation segment because she was reliant on, on YouTube for her income. She was making good money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh no. Oh no.

[Adam Curry]

But they kicked her off. Now I will remind people may have seen these clips, but she does sometimes she does the. Her show, which is bitching and moaning or giving advice or whatever. And she'll do it in blackface.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do find the most interesting and entertaining people, John. You do.

[Adam Curry]

So Lilia going black face. But she's the only black face. Her hands are still white. They're like bone white. And she's in complete blackface, lecturing black women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, goodness.

[Adam Curry]

And I have to say, yeah, it's racist. And I guess it would be offensive if it wasn't so funny. And. But so now she's singing the blues. And this is the reason this will be hard to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Will this work by not seeing her doing this in blackface.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, she's not in blackface where she's doing this. She's now holding my hand. She can't even talk and do it right. And she's got lost her. I guess her producer because it doesn't sound good. Bad audio. And she is lamenting the fact that she got kicked off and she's sorry because she's just being herself, blackface, just being herself as a goofball. And it says to me, this is why we don't rely on something like YouTube for our income or we don't rely on advertisers and all the rest the of of it. Because this can happen to us if we didn't go through the trouble and expense of having our own servers. We have our own infrastructure. We have our own RSS feed. Sysadmin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which costs money. And we have. We have these expensive. But. But we don't have to worry about this woman's plight.

[News Correspondent]

I have officially been demonetized on YouTube, which was my sole form of income, aside from a few tiny little outlets here and there. YouTube was my main money maker. And I'm not. I'm kind of stupid. I don't have a five year plan. I don't plan ahead. I live in the moment. I put it all out there. I'm an open book. I live with my heart on my sleeve. You know, if I say something, I mean it. I couldn't censor myself. I refused to censor myself. It's just impossible. I really tried. I really tried my best. Believe it or not, what you saw on YouTube was the vanilla me. It was like the vanilla of the vanilla. And I tried my best, but they want to keep a real down. Okay. And that's what they're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We would not have lasted more than 18 years if we relied on any third party.

[Adam Curry]

We wouldn't have lasted 18 months.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's it's sad when I, when I see this happen and when people say to me, hey man, why don't you stream the show on X like Tim Pool and Tucker and other smart people? And I don't answer that, but I will answer it here because if, for whatever reason, because whenever you have a big.

The sensor button, it can be used against you, if it exists, it can and probably will be used against you eventually. And if we.

[Adam Curry]

Here's the other problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me finish my thought.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we build up an audience on ads who are used to watching it there and then all of a sudden it goes away way. So you lose your audience at the whim of a madman.

[Adam Curry]

This is exactly what I was going to say and you obviously caught me in the process. But yes, they get dependent on the outlet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And then you go away, they kicked you off the outlet and the next thing you know, what happened to them? I don't know. Who cares?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the entire, this is the entire reason that Dave Jones and I, I started podcast index.org, which we make no money from. And we start over five years ago when Apple started deplatforming not Demonitor but de. Platforming podcasts from Apple podcasts. And because at the time all, all apps, all podcast apps were all checking Apple's database, which they leave open, they disappeared from all the other apps, apps. This is the antithesis of podcasting. And so that's why you want to get a modern podcast app. So your favorite. And these shows, and they do video too, by the way. You can, you can do video on those podcast apps, they work quite well actually. You know, get smart people. Figure it out.

You know, we literally saw Twitter going from banning people on the right and now X is banning people on the left. I mean, you do not want to be anywhere near a banner hammer. It's just, it's just the fact. So yes, the only problem we still seem to have, which I don't think is something we can solve, is emails. And you know, and Tina always, she's always, oh, happened again. John had to send out another email because, you know, you have all your metrics, you know how it works. And these emails, they just, whether it's the wrong emoji or you put Trump in there three times instead of two, outfits like Gmail will just market as spam. And then it goes away or doesn't even show.

[Adam Curry]

The problem with Gmail is that this inconsistency.

[John C. Dvorak]

The problem with Gmail is everyone uses it. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

That is the real problem. That's the real problem.

So, yes, I sent this thing out because there was no, I didn't get enough kickback on the auto replies.

[John C. Dvorak]

I used as a metric like 10 people or something. They always have.

[Adam Curry]

Usually 10 to 15 auto replies come back out of office.

And this is more pronounced on the weekends, but this happens all the time. None. Zero. Hey, by the way, none.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who still puts out of office replies on their email? Who does this anymore?

[Adam Curry]

Lots of people. More people than you.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's got to be a boomer move if I ever saw one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, but it's, but it's a metric.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're never out of the office.

[Adam Curry]

Not that many. But as an enough that I notice.

[John C. Dvorak]

It, you're never not gone.

[Adam Curry]

So I sent a note out saying if you didn't get. I had more responses. On this particular one, I had at least 50 people and that means there's gotta be at least, you know, a factor of five more that said, no, I never got the email. I looked in my box, I looked here, I looked there, I looked everywhere and it wasn't in here. It wasn't in promotion, it wasn't in spam, it didn't come. And I got like, wow, there's like one after the other after the other. They sent this notebook back saying that they never heard of, they never saw the email. And including the ones that really bother me, which is I've always gotten the email, it's always come. Except this time. So what, how does that work? There was not. I'm using the same template for the email that I always use. Basically it's the same email except it's got, you know, the tomorrow's show is different every time. That's the main thing. It's different. And the memes are different and so is the hypocrite of the week. They're all different. Different. But, but it's the same template and, and I, I'm. I go light on the, on the headline. I can't figure out for the life of me why this one got. This is a. This. And I have to credit, I have to say this has got to be mail chimp side.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could be. Could be. I mean, I, I just have to remind you that when we had POD show before, it was me VO that we got a deal from, from a company that was also funded by the same investors, Kleiner Perkins. And I think maybe it was Sequoia only, but you know, the big guys. And that was a company that made deals with the Big email providers, Yahoo, Gmail, probably aol. And you had to pay because we had customer service emails that needed to go out. You know, you register, you get an email and you had to pay these companies so that you would be guaranteed delivery. It was a huge. And was like $10,000 a month, just for starters.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. I don't. Do not believe that mailchimp has not paid this. This bribe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, then there's the problem. We need who. Who takes. Who pays the bribe. We got to go with those guys.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think, I think mailchimp does pay the bribe.

[John C. Dvorak]

You think they pay the bribe? Well, they got to upgrade, but I.

[Adam Curry]

Don'T care because it's still having him having fails. I think a lot of it happens on the. The mailchimp side doesn't go out or who knows what. Whatever the case, there's a couple of systems I'm going to check out. It's a pain in the ass. I expect to do this in January and. But it's like it was a very annoying moment. Well, I have to send out this second email. And here's the problem with doing. I don't mind doing it because it's easy to crank out a second email because they charge as a flat fee. So I can send an email out every hour if I wanted to. But every time you send out a second email, you get a bunch of people that see it and go, oh, yeah, I'm unsubscribing. So they take themselves off the list. So we have an X number of unsubscribers that go up exponentially when you send out too much email.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know you're. You're spamming me, bro. I don't want you to spam Dvorak. Hey, with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in cuellar. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John.

[News Correspondent]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

In the morning, you had a great marsh ship. Sea boost on the ground, feet in the air.

The names are nice out there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Trolls. Let me count you. Don't move. Let me see.

[Guest Commentator]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

15, 13.

It's cold outside. What are you doing, people? Those are people who are listening live to the show as we speak. Speak. Many of them are in the troll room being interactive.

[Adam Curry]

They're helping.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're engaging. They're engaging with our content.

[Adam Curry]

That's how we got the notice about the dentist at the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, Epstein Island. Exactly. They help. They're helpful. It's like our own studio audience, but they can talk back. And that's just one of the thousands of producers that we have. As I said, they're listening live. And we talked about it earlier. Get yourself a modern podcast [e-mail] that'll even notify you when we go live. And then you just tap on that notification and you hear the live stream in your podcast app. Mind blown. And because of the pod ping technology included in all of these apps, when we post the show, you're not waiting around like a schlub watching every post. Wow. Yeah, I just got the show.

[Guest Commentator]

It's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

You didn't upload to Apple yet, man. Hey, are we on Spotify yet? I don't think Spotify approved us. Let me see. See, creators.Spotify.com Then we can.

[Adam Curry]

Bitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, let me see.

[Adam Curry]

First they were stealing our material, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then at first they were stealing it without our permission. Auto up. Oh, oh, we're on. We're up. No, we're not. Nope. We're still processing. We're still under review. So that means we're not. We're not getting in. We're not going to get in. We're no good. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine we're no good. Someone's going to get us in.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, imagine if we had built up a following of people listening on Spotify because from day one when they started and they had that contract, I'm like, no, we're not doing that. Then you said, now we're not doing that.

[Adam Curry]

Bad, bad, bad, bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

And then they took us off. And imagine if there were tens of thousands of people listening or hundreds of thousands, and then all of a sudden it's gone. So, no, you can't count on these people. They are no good. We, of course, are great. And that's why people help us in many different ways. Ways, Time, talent, or treasure. We pioneered the value for value model. Exactly what John was talking about. We don't rely on any platform to pay us. We don't have ads inserted. You don't have to go to Patreon, who ultimately, you know, the Patreon winds up taking the money on both ends. So if you have a Patreon account and your people subscribe to your level, whatever it is, which is a fixed amount, which we don't believe in.

[Adam Curry]

No, not at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

It makes no sense. But okay, then they take, I think, 7% of the money you get. That's their processing fee. But the way it works is they also take the processing fee from the Person who sent it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, so they're double dipping.

[John C. Dvorak]

They are. This is what I believe. This is what I've heard.

Well, yeah, if we were running Patreon, we would.

[Guest Commentator]

Absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we also like other ways of people helping us. We've got end of show mixes. We have the producers everywhere. Producers everywhere. I mean, who else has someone who just did a document who did a documentary on drug boats and blowing them up and wasn't allowed to show the footage? Come on. I mean these. By the way, I should probably mention this. We. Where did I put it? We got a note from Rob, the constitutional lawyer about Sharia law in Texas. Interesting. Interested?

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

You and John.

[Adam Curry]

Is the Pope a Catholic?

[John C. Dvorak]

Does the bear crap in the woods? You and John have been discussing Sharia law in Texas. I barely know anything about Sharia law, but I do know a couple of things that you might find enlightening. Bottom line, nothing prevents private parties from practicing Sharia law amongst themselves by agreement. This is something that people don't really think about. Parties can agree to be bound by whatever body of law they want, just as long as it doesn't run afoul of statute or some judicially recognized public policy. I've actually litigated contract disputes in which parties in one state have agreed to be bound by the laws of another state or even in another country, or even a set of rules that negotiate between them.

After all, this is what a contract is. An agreement to do things in a certain way, way. Next time you sign a contract, look for a choice of law provision. The odds are good it will make you subject to the laws of another jurisdiction. Second parties can also resolve their disputes outside the court system. Typically this takes the form of arbitration clause, also very common, except in consumer contracts by arbitration. Arbitration can take many forms. Judge Judy, the People's Court, all these pseudo courtroom shows are essentially arbitration. See, I didn't know that. Sharia style forms are no different as long as the parties agree legitimately. Again, there are laws that impose restrictions, especially in the employment and consumer contexts where one party wields all the power. But as long as an agreement doesn't run afoul of these laws or have a recognized public policy, Muslims and non Muslims alike can agree to be bound by Sharia law. This is not the same thing as enacting city ordinances that conflict with Texas or US law. It must be done by private agreement and both parties have to agree. So this sounds kind of logical when you think about it, but next time you hear Sharia Law is coming. Well, yeah, that's like your HOA, basically. That's what it is. And the HOA may be worse. CallTheSuits.com for all of your sharia law disputes. I'm sure Rob will be happy to help you. So now let us thank the artist for episode 1822. We titled that one. Hold on a second. Second. 1821. I'm sorry, we titled that Genesis. That was for the Genesis project, the bailout of the AI Companies. Great piece of art. I realize.

You because this. This was the artist from Jock10. Jo Q10. Jock10.

[Adam Curry]

Comic strip blogger.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not. I don't think it's comic strip blogger. I don't think so. But it came from something you said in the show, which I think we actually.

We even put that at the. Did we put use that at the beginning of the show where you said the phone is the devil's playground, man.

[Adam Curry]

It'S comic strip blogger.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not comic strip blogger.

[Adam Curry]

Well, go back and look.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought it was Jock 10. Did I know? Did I not do that properly? Oh, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, did you credit him wrong on the page?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I did. Yeah. Well, I feel bad about that.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should. Poor comic strip blogger got no credit. I'm surprised he didn't call.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I probably got it on the. Let me see if I got it on the main page. If I got it on the credit page. Let me see. No, I got it right on the credit page. But on the page I looked at, it was still wrong. So I'm sorry. But yes, we broke three rules in picking this art. One, gruesome. Gruesome. This is the devil.

[Adam Curry]

Head.

[John C. Dvorak]

The devil head coming out of the phone. Two.

We use the opening clip which pertained to the art. As you said, the phone is the devil's playground. And three, comics rip blogger. I mean, we broke three rules. We know it was three.

[Adam Curry]

Devil's tool. Let's get that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you say devil's tool?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Satan's tool.

[John C. Dvorak]

Satan's tool. There you go. And the third rule we broke is comics or blogger. We try to always stay away from his art.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, Comic strip blogger. Because you hate him.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I love him. What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

We usually block his arse. Or it's always a. But where's the butt? Here.

[John C. Dvorak]

We.

[Adam Curry]

No, this was an excellent piece. It was a good piece. The rule that. The real rule that broke was the gruesomeness, because I try to avoid it because I don't like the associative problem that it creates.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's no good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. For marketing, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

But it's such a nice piece. And it is. And I. Every time I bring this up to anybody, say, call the cell phone Satan's tool. They all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

They're right back on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

Clicking away. Hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got a text message. Let me go back.

[Adam Curry]

Enlarging and beginning thumbing this and thumbing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you ever watched women go through Instagram?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. I don't know what. I don't ask what they're looking at.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, if you see it, then that they're always stopping on a picture and then they're zooming in.

[Adam Curry]

Always zooming in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, look at that. What she got over here. Okay, let me. Let me see her neck. Okay, let me see her arms. Okay, let me look at her ankles. They're so judgmental. Not all women, of course. Sorry. Women.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. There's plenty of women that don't even.

[John C. Dvorak]

Use the phone and they listen to this show. Show. That's the one. And talking about great women. Baronettis Kelly. Is that a woman?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I would hope so.

[John C. Dvorak]

That may actually be a. It may be a dude. It's Kelly.

[Adam Curry]

Why would it be baronetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, baronet test. That would not be a dude. Hello. Oh, boy.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I know you. Maybe you can move back to California.

[John C. Dvorak]

From Sayville, New York, 433.34. As we always like to thank our supporters financially. $50 and above. This is our special segment where we thank what we call and credit as our executive and associate executive producers. Credits that are good anywhere. Hollywood showbiz credits are recognized, including IMDb.com $200 or above. We will read your note. $300 above. We'll read your note. John and Adam, this quote has been hitting hard lately. Says baronetus Kelly, when you're dead, you don't know you're dead. And the pain is felt by others.

The same thing happens when you're stupid.

Okay, this was a Rickard Gervais quote. And she says, thank God for this show and my sanity. No, there you go. Also, John, do you happen to know whether to buy lamb from Australia or New Zealand? Which is better quality? You're the guy with the best cooking tips. Thanks for all the value you give to me. And all the best to you too. Baronetus Kelly of the longest island. She's from Long island, apparently.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I sent her a note. I. I've never had that much New Zealand lamb to say But I can tell you this. If you're going to buy Australia lamb, which is really good quality, you buy it. You buy spring lamb, which. Which is a kind of counterintuitive because the spring lamb from Australia comes in around November.

So you can get this incredibly great spring lamb, which is usually more tender and tastier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you want the babies. You want to kill the babies. That's the best kind of.

[Adam Curry]

If you can get to. Yeah, well, make Gibbs if you want. Yeah, you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so.

Now the season is just about to end because, you know, everything's flipped and people don't realize when they're buying Australian lamb in November. Well, this is kind of off. Not the right time of year. No. If you're buying local, no, but Australia, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not buy then?

[Adam Curry]

That's all I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why not buy lamb from America? Don't we have good lamb? Is our lamb no good good here?

[Adam Curry]

Our lamb's good here. Yeah. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, buy our lamb.

[Adam Curry]

Go and buy it in the spring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, buy it in the spring. And don't buy it from Australia.

[Adam Curry]

But Australian lamb is quite good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. All right. Our lamb is best, best, best price.

[Adam Curry]

I don't find any evidence of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, and so that would. Throws it to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it does.

[Adam Curry]

Which means we go to Sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Smittiot. He even puts it in a note, rhymes with idiot.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. SM rhymes with idiot. Shreveport, Louisiana. 350, 93. Adam and John, hope this note finds you well. Sorry, it's been a while since I've donated. Better late than never. I wanted to say thank you again for informing and entertaining me six hours a week.

I don't log into the troll room, but I always listen live. So count me in as a. As a plus one in the troll count. To the other no agenda listeners out there, I'd like to remind you how much you're spending on a bunch of streams and services that don't give as much value as the no Agenda show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right on.

[Adam Curry]

It's time to donate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Can I get a spooky JCD Donate. Better yet, John, can you do it live? Best regards, sir. Smittiot, rhymes with idiot. In Shreveport, Louisiana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you want me. I have the jingle. Do you want to do it live? Live?

[Adam Curry]

I'm going to do it live with the sound effect box.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

Donate, donate.

That's good. That's a new one. That's a new one. I'll take it, John.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

John Sebert comes in from Auburn, California with $341.24, which equals 381,958 satoshis. He's a bitcoin donation and canon to switcheroo for his daughter, Elaine Siebert of Auburn, California. Let me put her name in right away, John. Make sure we don't mess that up. Okay, Elaine. Switcheroo done. Shameless. Plug for arcanaresin.com A R C A N A arcanaresin.com Are you looking for gift ideas for the women in your life who appreciate beautiful handcrafted items? Look no further. Go to arcanaresin R e s I n.com hand picked and preserved flowers from the Sierra foothills. Thank you for your attention to this matter. John Siebert from Auburn, California. I'm gonna go take a look at that. I'm looking for a gift idea for the women in my life.

I wonder what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have another strike donation. This one here is anonymous so far and maybe we'll get a note from somebody. I didn't get anything but this is for 329, 98 and or 97 and in this case we can give them a double up Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, we can.

[Adam Curry]

Here it is.

[News Correspondent]

You've got double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

This arcana resin stuff is pretty cool. It's a bunch of flowers and looks like. What's that? Lucite resin, I guess.

[Adam Curry]

Huh? Oh, so they put the. They take in these crazy flowers. You get up in the foothills and they put them in a resin block and then you can give that to some as a gift. Yeah, as a decoration table. Decoration.

[John C. Dvorak]

Conversation starter.

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that is. That is a good idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cool idea. I like it. Zane Peterson is next from Manti, Utah. By the way, thank you everybody for telling me that it is Minot airport and not Minnow. I got it. Zane Peterson, Manti, Utah $312. My buddy and I took a trip to D.C. right before Thanksgiving. This is what was left out of my trip fund. Wow. Nice trip. It never ceases to amaze me how far ahead of the curve no agenda is. I give a lot of credit to John.

It never ceases to amaze me the knowledge he has. Oh, I'm all on board with that. On every topic he has a story or a life experience. You guys are both absolutely fantastic. But John is definitely my favorite. Get a rooms, Zane. Thank you for the value you bring. Can you play Dogs are People too? Thanks again, Zane Peterson.

[News Correspondent]

Dogs are people too.

[John C. Dvorak]

And before you, before you continue, I want to thank Holly for the beautiful one piece flag she gave me. I forgot to mention on Sunday, she came up to me in church, said, I got a flag for you.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And Holly's flag came to me too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

On the last couple, the last mail pickup. And I wanted to thank her myself.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And she's got a very. We had this. She sent a little card and so we're passing around. How do you. Is this Helen or. No, it's double E. Holly. Holly. Helly. Holly. Holly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Holly.

[Adam Curry]

We finally came up with the right pronunciation her name. But it was a very nice little note. And this is. I've got three of them now, so I don't please nobody.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm going to fly my flag on Sunday, Saturday on the flight on your flag. On my flagpole. Yes.

On my flagpole, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Am I up? Christopher Graves in Mount. Mount Occam.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know who this is?

[Adam Curry]

Christopher Graves?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Been donating every single week for the past couple of weeks. Weeks?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's in Mount Alcom.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you'll get it. You'll get there.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. In 1875, inventor, he writes, Daniel Peter was struggling with his candle making business as the new technologies advanced the creation of the oil lamp and threatened to make the candle obsolete. Tell that to Adam when he takes a bath.

He sat across the dinner table from his neighbor, Mr. Nestle, who suggested he get into the chocolate business. I have a clip. I have a kind of an interesting clip to play as a bonus clip right after I read this note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Daniel Peter would spend a decade creating the very first milk chocolate today. Little John's Candy. Oh, how Dino is. Hello. Duh. Little John's Candy still uses Peter's milk chocolate to cover our world famous English toffees. In the early 1900s, Peters and Nestle would open up the first American chocolate factory. So I guess you could say connection is protection. If you agree with these great men, support a small business and no agenda show. Go to Little John's. Little JohnScandies.com not candles, Little John candy. And use the code ITM10+10 and save 10% on your order and donate 10% to the best podcast in the universe. Thank you for the courage, Christopher and a Little John elves. Don't forget, we'll always wrap gifts for you at no charge.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we ate our turkeys, our chocolate turkeys.

[Adam Curry]

How were they?

[John C. Dvorak]

Dynamite. They were solid. You know, I thought it would be hollow like stuff, you know, they were solid.

[Adam Curry]

No, the thing weighs a ton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And we're saving our toffees for when the kids get here. Christina and Kevin are coming. So that's what we're going to eat.

[Adam Curry]

Our toffees well, which I, you know, not to counter anything. I hate to play it now. No San Francisco sues Big Food.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Big story.

[News Correspondent]

San Francisco has filed the nation's first government lawsuit against major ultra processed food makers including Coca Cola and Nestle. The city claims these companies knew their products were harming public health but continue to market them to consumers entities. Christina Corona has won the story. San Francisco has filed a lawsuit against 10 major makers of ultra processed foods including Kraft, Heinz, Coca Cola, Nestle and General Mills. City Attorney David Chu says these products are addictive and harmful and claims the company knowingly marketed them despite health risks.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're talking about food that is not food that is not found in nature, created by combining artificial chemicals with industrialized processes.

[News Correspondent]

Chu says consumption of these products has created a major public health crisis with skyrocketing health care costs.

[John C. Dvorak]

The industry has created thousands of new chemicals which the body metabolizes and craves differently and they are designed to be addictive.

[News Correspondent]

He said studies link ultra processed foods to chronic illnesses including type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease, heart disease and depression. And added the impact on children has been alarming. He stated that Starting in the 1960s, Big Tobacco purchased major food companies, bringing over technology, marketing strategies and addiction science. Science.

[John C. Dvorak]

They use big tobacco tactics to research, design and sell addictive products. Hold on a second. When I played a clip from Cali Means two years ago that made this claim, you went that's bull crap. They didn't do that. That's not how that happened. Blah, blah, where is that, where's that commentary here? What's bull crap that they use tobacco tactics and market.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember this clip that you're discussing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. They used addiction science and marketing techniques.

[Adam Curry]

That followed the big tobacco playbook of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Creating the illusion and erosion of consumer choice.

[News Correspondent]

He stated these companies targeted children using cartoon mascots from Tony the Tiger and Fred Flintstone to Paw Patrol.

[John C. Dvorak]

These companies know their products are harming people, but they continue to design, market and profit off them, particularly at the expense of our kids. If I remember correctly, it was the, the context was RJR bought into Bisco and then they had their food sign their scientists go in and start making the food addictive.

But I guess it's good enough for court but not good enough for this show.

[Adam Curry]

Not, I don't know, I mean, RJR Nabisco, it became RJR Nabisco. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But anyway, it's okay. I just thought it was interesting that you Pushed back very hard.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember bitching. And in. And I usually do. I usually remember when I complained.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I'm not going to pull it up and do anything embarrassing. I won't do that. What I would do. I can do it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, what crap. Bull crap. Good for the tobacco companies. They should go into food companies. That makes nothing but sense. At least they got to do something with their money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that is the opposite of what you said before. Sean Homan is in Noblesville, Indiana too, 1911. And he says, God's peace be with us all. St. Maria Goretti, pray for us. Thank you for your courage.

[Adam Curry]

And we go to Linda Lupatkin already. Oh, that was quick. We're done. Yep, she's now she's in Castle Rock, Colorado. Did she move?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's interesting. I didn't notice that.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting. Jobs Karma. She wants give the gift of a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's a. Use the. Use it now or add it to your go bag. She's a little joke there about the go bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, image makers. Nika with a K and work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of Winning resumes.

[News Correspondent]

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1822 in our 19th year of just being the best podcast in the universe. It's wonderful. Thank you. We'll be thanking the rest of our financial supporters. $50 and above in our second segment. Again, congratulations to the executive and associate executive producers.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Guest Commentator]

Order.

[News Correspondent]

Shut up, slave.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

I want to play this two parter here.

From Nilai Patel. Remember him? Used to be on Twitter a lot.

[Adam Curry]

He's with. Yeah, Nile. He was the editor of the Verge.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he's still at the Verge, isn't he?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I don't like him.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'm not a big fan either. Yeah, in fact, the last episode I was on was with Neelay and he was telling me I was a douche.

[Adam Curry]

No, he called me a racist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, sometimes even a broken clock is right twice a day.

By the way, the Verge well known amongst developers. If you want to test out a system with as many tracking systems and ads as possible, everybody uses theverge.com that thing. There must be 500 trackers on that website. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. So he was talking to the CEO of IBM Arvin Krishna. Are you familiar?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Nobody knows who the CEO of IBM is anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Didn't it used to be the woman? What happened to her? She went away.

[Adam Curry]

You retire after you cash out.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Arvind, like all successful Silicon Valley companies, which IBM is far from, but I guess they brought him in like hey, if Google's got one of these Indian guys, we should get one of these Indian guys. Bring in an Indian guy. Microsoft's got an Indian guy. Bring an Indian guy. So they brought in Arvind and here was his two part discussion about artificial intelligence. Now they'll talk about AGI, which of course is, you know, they've muddied the waters. It used to mean.

Artificial general intelligence, meaning it's actually smart or can think somehow and is not just a computer, you know, picking up language and hashing it out from for you. And that's now kind of become artificial generative intelligence, meaning generates memes and stuff. But here he is on the expense on the numbers. He's a numbers guy, he's IBM, he's a numbers guy. And here he is.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Do you think there's an enterprise ROI that would justify the spend we have today? Because I look at it and I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Say absent AGI, this spend might not be worth it today. Today's costs. So let's just ground in that because anything in the future is speculative. It takes about $80 billion to full to fill up a 1 gigawatt data center.

[News Correspondent]

Okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's today's number. So if you are going to commit 20 to 30 gigawatts, that's one company, that's 1.5 trillion of CapEx. And to the point we just made, you got to use it all in five years because at that point you got to throw it away and refill it right then if I look at the total these things, the total commits in the world on this space of the chasing AGI seem to be like 100 gigawatts at these announcements. That's 8 trillion of capex. There's no way you're going to go get a return on that is my view. Because 8 trillion of capex means you need roughly 800 billion of profit just to pay for the interest. I love this guy with his number numbers. 8 trillion of expense to build what they're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, and what he left out, at least according to my son, is the five year turnaround is actually only two to two and a half years for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

You mean the chips to be renewed?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The whole thing fails in two and a half years and it breaks everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. And that's based on what? It fails or it just is abrupt?

[Adam Curry]

This is just apparently the, the rate of improvement, chip improvement plus the failure rate of the. Of these devices.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are they actually failing devices?

[Adam Curry]

They fail two and a half years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe they burn out full load, they just burn out.

[Adam Curry]

They crap out.

[John C. Dvorak]

They go on the fritz, they glitch.

Now, Nilai actually said something funny here, which is what it starts off with.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Have you told Sam? Because he seems to think he can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get both the Catholics and the return belief. It's a belief that one company is going to be the only company that gets the entire market. I think it's fine. I mean like they're chasing it. Some people will make money, some people will lose money and all the infra being built will be useful if it goes away. But if they make it, then they are the sole surviving company. I am not convinced. Or rather I give it really low odds, like we're talking 0 to 1% that the current set of known technologies gets us to AGI. That's my bigger gap. I think that this current set is great. I think it's incredibly useful for the enterprise. I think it's going to unlock trillions of dollars of productivity in the enterprise. That said, I think AGI will require more technologies than the current LM path. I think it'll require fusing knowledge with LLMs. And we have words. I'm not sure that's the only way to create knowledge. People talk about neuro symbolic AI, but I think if I just say knowledge in a broader sense, hard knowledge that people have spent thousands of years discovering. If you figured out a way to Fuse knowledge with LLMs, maybe. Yeah, it doesn't sound very optimistic.

[Adam Curry]

One of our producers sent me a note and I guess he had some connection to Nvidia. And he says that my discussion based on again, my son's connections with Nvidia since he worked there was that they've studied this and they can't find any real productivity gains from AI. And this guy said, yeah, that's what we. So we're turning up too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, there's none. There's no productivity gains. I try all the time. Yeah, I've built stuff with it. I've. But. But it always. It's always the same thing. Just say like. So I was building a slide deck and I was surprised because.

Gemini actually created slides. I'm like, well, you know, I just wanted an outline or something and I got slides with pictures. Like, this is amazing. And then I say, this is all good except slide number 6, 7. Please replace that person with a middle aged white woman looking very distressed. And it subsequently deleted all the pictures and changed the words of everything. You go back, try it again. It cannot iterate. It's incapable of doing it.

I think that's the same with the artwork.

I know that Darren, he must try prompts over and over because you can't say change what you just did. No, you got to just change your whole prompt. You gotta nail it and then hope for the best. You can't nail it. There's no consistency.

[Adam Curry]

Darren nails it a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, Darren, Darren is an amazing man. So on the AI tip, I was listening, Joe Rogan, he even did a.

[Adam Curry]

Broadway tune for us in today's end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of show mix, which is dynamite.

[Adam Curry]

It sounds like a Broadway tune.

[John C. Dvorak]

It does. It's for the no Agenda, the musical soon to take over all of Broadway.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, pack them in.

[John C. Dvorak]

So Joe Rogan was being interviewed. Doesn't happen often, but he does them from time to time. And Joe of course is good friends with Elon, so he's, he believes, I think Joe really believes in AI, but he's also been going to church and he's been exploring Jesus and his faith, which he's talked about quite openly. And this is the frightening conclusion and result of those two things. So if you're going to get the most, most brilliant, loving, powerful person that gives us advice and can show us how to live to be in.

Sync with God, who better than artificial intelligence to do that? Wow, if Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past.

You don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence? Oh my God. Artificial intelligence could absolutely return as human Jesus, not just return as Jesus, but return as Jesus with all the powers of Jesus, like all the magic tricks, all the ability to bring people back from the dead, walk on water, levitation. Okay, a lot of things here.

[Adam Curry]

Forbin, the Colossus, Colossus Forbin project.

[John C. Dvorak]

But no, he actually says something different, which I'm only hearing this now. Listen to what I thought he was saying. If Jesus would come back, he could come back as artificial intelligence. He actually says this. Who better than artificial intelligence intelligence to do that?

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

If Jesus does return, even if Jesus was a physical person in the past.

You don't think that he could return as artificial intelligence. It kind of messes it up there. Then he talks about some magic tricks. So the only thing I would say is if, if God could talk to Balaam through A donkey? Yeah, it's possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. And I'd be very careful. People thinking they discovered Jesus through their.

[Adam Curry]

A AI that is Antichrist awaits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apparently. Is perplexity. Is Perplexity sponsoring Joe show? I think I just saw that come by.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't know this. If it's true, I don't think they sponsor anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think I just. I think I just saw that pass by in the. In the troll room. And the trolls have been on point today, so maybe. Right. Anyway, I got to talk to Joe.

Oh, man. Boy, oh, boy. I see you got the same stories I did about Australia and the kids.

[Adam Curry]

I had you. Yeah, well, they're banned. My story. Well, yes, but I thought mine had a kicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know if yours does.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'll. I'll play yours. And if. If it doesn't kick the way mine does.

[News Correspondent]

The band comes into Place on December 10th, and all children under six.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop it.

[Adam Curry]

They put a ban in place on all social media in Australia. No, no, well, wait, let me finish. And so now they're going to require age verification and all this stuff. The ban is never going to do.

[John C. Dvorak]

The ban is 16 and under. That's the ban. Not all.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's a ban. It's a ban on all social media.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a ban 16 years and under. Yeah, it's important distinction. You said a ban on all social media.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, you never let me finish. You interrupted me with. No, no, no. So. But there's a ban on social media with an age limit and. But there's a kicker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, which is the bad.

[News Correspondent]

Comes into place on December 10, and all four children under 16 off Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, everything, TikTok, X threads, Reddit, Twitch, Kick, even YouTube. Santa 16 YBA able to be on YouTube. But there is a social media site they can still use. The toxic leftist lunatic asylum called Blue sky is not covered under the ban. Adam. And even Dr. Nick Coatsworth, hardly a right wing reactionary, is asking why. I mean, this just is incredible that this is being allowed to happen. That the coalition together with labor and this was a coalition policy. This was what a Peter does.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly, exactly.

[News Correspondent]

Sort of genius ideas. But they can't see the unintended consequences of limiting people's access to information.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, obviously Blue sky is very pro left generally, so that just shows.

[Adam Curry]

That this is a political. You know, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The rationale behind this is actually political. In part. They don't like children getting access to certain ideas.

[Adam Curry]

I Don't think it's about images so.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Much because I think I was reading.

[John C. Dvorak]

Recently they can still get. Get to various pornographic websites. Well, let me say this about that blue sky. You could argue that it's on equal footing with Mastodon.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which also is not banned.

Wow. Holy crap. Christina is texting me.

[Guest Commentator]

She.

[John C. Dvorak]

She says, oh, dad, you have no idea what everybody just received in the mail. I'm going to try and translate this on the fly.

[Adam Curry]

My newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an official government brochure.

It has a family on the front. It's drawn with a dog looking kind of sad, and a kid putting cans into a box. And it says, save me in a safe place, Place. Be prepared for an emergency situation. And it says, I'm looking up.

You need to prepare for an emergency that could last up to 72 hours because the electricity could go out. What would you do if the electricity went out for 72 hours? Isn't this interesting? This happens. Happens right when they cancel all the Russian gas contracts.

And this is crazy. What will you do, Daniel? And get your go bag? Oh, yeah, Go bag in here. Oh, yeah. What do you need? You need food, hygiene. They got some candles here, something to keep warm. Flashlight.

[Adam Curry]

Candles.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have candles. You need candles, toothbrush, brush, a radio with batteries. Good luck.

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is nuts, this. I got to get her out of there. I've got.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think it's because of the Russian gases, because of the. It's the Jews who are retaliating against them being cut out of the Eurovision Song Kit contest.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the Jews.

Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. Spot on. Well, in America, we're not worried about things like that. We don't have young people worrying about 72 hours without electricity. No, we have things that they need to worry about, like, did I lose my prop bet? In tonight's Ion America, we're looking at a form of online betting that's rapidly growing in popularity. That's market trading with predictions where you can invest in the outcome of real world events. Invest your business. And tech correspondent Jolene Kent looks at the risks.

[News Correspondent]

Joel Holsinger just quit his day job to bet on anything. Like if Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell will say the word pardon in a press conference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our thinking was, wait, pardon me? Was informed. Let's go, let's go. That's part of me. I streamed and watched the speech live. Powell called, coughed, and said, pardon me.

[News Correspondent]

And, you know, I made $500 from his computer. The 26 year old says he makes about $3,000 a week trading on the prediction market.

[Adam Curry]

Kelsey Kelsey lets you legally trade on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything anywhere in the US thanks to.

[News Correspondent]

Companies like Kelshi Polymarket and predict it. Betting on anything from elections to Taylor Swift has never been easier.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dan, I had no idea it was like, like this.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah. And some of the brokerage companies, like Interactive for example, has opened up a system that does this. Interactive brokers bet on where the prime. I don't know if they have the prop bets like that because that's pretty specific, but they have the bet. So you bet on whether the interest rates next week's meeting is going to be dropped 0.25 or not. It's like you bet a dollar, you win 10 cents if you think it's going to be dropped because everyone thinks.

[John C. Dvorak]

One to drop is one to 10.

[Adam Curry]

For that particular bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, okay. Huh. I got to get into it.

[Adam Curry]

But if you don't, if it doesn't get dropped, you could you bet one. I think you make like a buck fifty or on top of the one. So you get some $2 plus $2 plus something. No, this is ridiculous. This is gambling. It's just like they, I remember when I was in college, there was this group of inveterate gamblers who had, they just lived together. They were betting on everything. We went out with a group of them, these guys, they were degenerates and it was like you go in their place, they had a sign over the fireplace says God is unemployed. That was the theme of the place. And one guy had to get, I swear, one guy had to get his jacket. And while they were waiting for him to come back with his jacket, the two guys are flipping quarters to see who, you know, heads 10. Okay, here's your quarter. And they're g. They couldn't, they were just gambled. They're hoarding. Horrible. It's just a terrible thing to be addicted to. I mean it's unbelievable. And the fact that it's encouraged, it should be illegal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they have the CEO on the show.

[News Correspondent]

What is a prediction market?

[Adam Curry]

So a prediction market is like the stock market, but instead of buying and selling companies, you're buying yes and no on whether something is going to happen or not.

[News Correspondent]

Tariq Mansour and Luana Lopez Lara are the co founders of Kelshi. People can make money on what they know, actually monetize their knowledge, monetize their hobby. Kelshi's users trade an average of a billion dollars a week banking heavily on sports.

[Adam Curry]

You can Bet on things that a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Traditional sportsbook would offer you.

[News Correspondent]

Which is a concern for author Jonathan Cohen, who has chronicled the rise of sports betting in the US So you think this is just gambling?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[News Correspondent]

But Kelshi is not regulated like gambling, and several states have sued, alleging the platform offers unlawful sports wagering. And unlike most sports betting sites, users can also bet on games in other financial apps which hold investments like retirement accounts.

[Adam Curry]

In the same app that you use to manage your 401k or your stock.

[John C. Dvorak]

Portfolio, you can, like, bet on the.

[News Correspondent]

Jets game, creating more risk that some betters could drain those savings.

[Adam Curry]

That friction is gone.

[Guest Commentator]

You.

[Adam Curry]

You can gamble on sports and you can gamble away, like, your life savings.

[News Correspondent]

And while federal regulations on prediction markets are rapidly evolving, both Kelshi and its main competitor, polymarket, have brought on a new strategic advisor. The president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr. Does he come to meetings? How much do you pay him? What's his role? I mean, this is the son of the president.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, we have a lot of advisors. And when, whether it's our investors, whether it's people that we really trust and.

[News Correspondent]

Respect, he's not just any advisor. He's a direct line to the White House.

[Adam Curry]

We have a lot of advisors.

[News Correspondent]

While Kelshi CEO did not answer that question, one thing is clear. Kelshi believes the popularity of online betting is just kicking off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's what I learned. We need to become advisors. And the Curry Dvorak Advocate Advisory Group is ready to advise you in exchange for shares and cash on anything you've got going. And we're good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, people should be calling us tomorrow.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no agenda.

And we still have some producers to thank over $50 and under 200. And Adam's gonna run through them as we. As we listen. We're gonna listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we're speaking and I'm speaking, and you should be listening. There you go. Yes. Thank you very much to these producers who supported us. Every single amount is valuable to us. It is value for value. Only you can determine what equals the value in monetary form that you get out of the show. And Stephen Kirkpatrick from Langley, Washington, said $119.21. And we thank him for that. Leroy Pacheco in Santa fe, New Mexico, 10535. He says thank you for keeping me informed and entertained. Kevin Jackson from.

Kema, Texas. This must be with fees. 105. 35. Julie Herbert in Fredericksburg. Julie? Do I know Julie? Yeah, I must know Julie. She's in Fredericksburg, Texas. 100. Well, I don't. I know a lot of Julie's. I don't know everybody's last. I'm horrible at names. Thank you, Julie. See you at the meeting. Baron Latican. Oh, haven't seen him in a while. He's from Houston. 100 Brady Kessler from Lee's Summit, Missouri. 100 Sir F A Ian Beck, Vista, California and 50. 100100 Tobias in Real Estate Services in Gardner, Kansas for all your real estate servicing needs. $88.08. Glenn Spangler from Roseville, Michigan. 8438. And there's Kevin McLaughlin, the Arch Luke of Duna Luna, a lover of America and boobs with 8008 for episode 1822. He comes in every single show and he says I love America and boobs. Not necessarily always in that order. Edward Owens jumps on the bandwagon with a boob donation. 8008 from Alameda, California. Brian Reyna, Keensburg, New Jersey. 7654. Oh, I see what you did. 7654. Dame Dana Laughlin, Nevada. 7227. Ooh. Palindrome. Pete Lachanze in Oviedo, Florida. Oviedo, Florida. Pete Lachons. And he comes in with 69.96. God bless Adam and John. Thank you for all you do. Puppy Chow from Christian Grulich with 6767. Les Tarkowski from Kingman, Arizona. Small boob 6006. Sander.

This is. He's from Holland. So Sonder Klasenberg, 55, 55. Brian Furley, 55. One double nickels on the dime. Double nickels on the dime. Also from Jonathan Ferris and Sir Becoming Hero Heroic and Christopher Burke from St. Paul, Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

Did you get Brian Furley?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I did.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for checking. Sir Becoming heroic. 51. Double nickels on the dime. Christopher Burke from St. Paul, Minnesota. 5272. John Bossano, Madison, Alabama. 5272. Sir Xenonymous from Liverpool, UK, one of the few remaining UK donors who are still alive. 5272. Kevin Adam in Clover, South Carolina. 5270. He does have a note. He says I use Outlook and got the first send of the newsletter on December 3rd as well as the anomaly follow up email later that evening. I have not received the newsletter. I've never not received a newsletter using outlook.com well, that's good info.

[Adam Curry]

Not everyone can say that. So that's just it's another one of those things. Plenty of Outlook people didn't get it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tony lang, Castle Pines, Colorado 50 these are all the 50 Scott McCarty from Lodi, California Paul Cassell in Kerrville, Texas right down the I see you. Paul Legacy 3rd LLC in Dallas Daniel La Boy in Bath, Michigan Foster Birch.

[Adam Curry]

In New York, New York Ms. Matt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Matt Frazee in St. John's Florida James Sheremetta in Napanok, New York Chris Connaker in Anchorage, Alaska John Fitzpatrick in Herbert Springs, Arizona Ichi Kitagawa, San Francisco, California where they're suing the Big Food Harry clan and Elizabeth Alito, Texas man, Texas showing up for us. Walker Phillips in San Rafael, California and Leslie Walker to wind out our 50s from Roseburg, Oregon. And she says, I love the show.

We do not mention anyone under $50 for reasons of anonymity, but I see you 4999s and I get it. Thank you very much. We appreciate every single donation to the no Agenda Show. We are value for value. We do not do not take any other form of income except what you find valuable and send to us through these [e-mail] and this is a rare moment I get to say noagendadonations.com but I don't get to play the birthday jingle because no one was born on December 4. Not a single person. It was a dip in the birthing schedule. Has this ever happened?

[Adam Curry]

Solar flare.

[John C. Dvorak]

So instead, no agenda.

Yes. Instead we will talk about the meetups that are coming up today. We have the 805 rooftop meetup 4 o' clock that specific time. Galita, California Dame Beth yes, that is today. It's correct. She sent me a note. I made a mistake and she her heart dropped. Also today the the pre saint. Oh yes, the pre St. Nicholas Day or Thanksgiving part deux in Raleigh, North Carolina. Saints and scholars. Yes, this is the evening when all the little Dutch children put their wooden shoes outside the door and hope that St Nicholas will come and put some candy in it and that the Black Pete's, or these days we call them the Rainbow Pete's, won't come along and stick them in the bag and take them back to Spain on the steamboat. It's a weird country. Tomorrow, Pensacola, Florida, the Pensacola Fun Meetup, one o' clock at Coastal County Brewery in Pensacola, Florida. On Saturday, the no Agenda Central Ohio meetup, that is at 5:30 at Dempsey's in Columbus and to wind it out on our next show day, I must be High. Number 17. That's at McSorley's Wonderful Saloon and grill in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Just a few of the many meetups that you can [e-mail] Sir Daniel, thank you for the value that you provide to the show by maintaining that and keeping everything running. And Mimi, of course, for managing that process as well, go to no agendameetups.com find a meetup. You this is a place where you will get connection that will provide protection for the rest of your life. First responders, they're here at these meetups. If you can't find one NIU, start one yourself. Put it over [e-mail] sometimes you.

[Guest Commentator]

With.

[John C. Dvorak]

All the nights and days.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You want.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be where you won't be triggered on hell to lame, you want to be where everybody feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

And for those of you who heard the call and went, you know, I should probably stick around past those donation segments because there's a lot of fun stuff that happens.

And sound effects. There's all kinds of groovy stuff. This is where we select our end of show isos, which is just kind of a fun thing we do. And I get real people. And John practices his AI prompting, which he's doing on the free tier of 11 labs, which, yeah, it's always the same guy with whatever.

[Adam Curry]

No, I got a new person.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever Marty came up with.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, John, Marty doesn't write these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's mine, too.

[News Correspondent]

I've lost faith in Wall Street.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's no good. How about this one? They have large wieners. Yeah, that's a good one. They have large wieners.

That's my end of show ISO idea.

[Adam Curry]

Kind of like the second one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. They have large wieners.

[Adam Curry]

Played it enough.

Okay, let's go. I have two with a new person. Yeah, I never used this. This voice before.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Sizzled.

[News Correspondent]

That show sizzled.

[Adam Curry]

That would be a good combo with large wieners.

[News Correspondent]

That show sizzled.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have large wieners.

Let's hear your other one, just in case.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is too long.

[News Correspondent]

Good show, but too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think we have a winner here.

[News Correspondent]

I think that show sizzled.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have large wieners. Yeah, baby. That's what we're going with. Hey, but first, it's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes, Adam.

[Adam Curry]

This is an obscure tip for you connoisseurs of champagne. A lot of people don't know this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I, I love sh. I love the bubbly, man. I love the bubbly.

[Adam Curry]

On every bottle of champagne, there's a code, two letter code that tells you what kind of champagne it really is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

[Adam Curry]

And it appears usually at the very bottom of the label. And it's in like two point type. And it consists of two letters, usually a number and then some, you know, name. Anything can follow that. But there's these two letters are the important part. And these two letters are. For example, there's a bunch of them.

[Guest Commentator]

There's.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's eight different ones that are possible. There's only two that are two or three that are important. Important to know.

If it says. Because everyone's talking about. Maybe this is the tip of the day really is grower Champagne. Oh, grower champagne is always touted as, you know, it's the best. Grower champagne is the champagne made by the grower who grew the grapes, makes the wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This is not usual. Most champagnes are made by a large manufacturing company like Bollinger and they buy, they have these contracts with all these growers and they get all the champagne grapes in. They have a superstar winemaker and they make a really good product. It should always cost more for that wine than it does for the grower champagne. Grower champagne should be cheaper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I always thought the grower champagne was more exclusive.

[Adam Curry]

It's more exclusive in smaller quantities, but it should be cheaper. And anyone who's marking the. But some of these guys, these importers will make mark it up. But grower champagne is generally cheaper and should be. And here's how you can tell. But the little two letters at the bottom of the champagne bottle, you'll see, you'll see it's either going to say NM or rm. This is two letters and the NM means negociant manipulant. That means the guy who bought the grapes and made the wine. RM is a recollant manipulant. And that's the guy, the guy who harvested. Harvested we call tantes, means the harvester. So he grew the grape. So you look for rm. You see RM at the bottom. That means it's a grower's champagne, which is everyone touts. Oh, grower champagne.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now I'm confused.

[Adam Curry]

It's hard to be as good as Bollinger, but some of them are cheap. Okay, okay. They have different flavor. They, they're just slightly. They're more authentic, let's put it that way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so now have A question. So just, just to read it. RM is the grower champagne. Right.

[Adam Curry]

Recollant manipulant. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay, so Romeo Mike.

[Adam Curry]

Because Romeo Mike.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what I'd like to do is say, you know, this has RM on it. This is a grower champagne.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is, this is. This is the source of the Bollinger. This is right from the guy's hand.

[Adam Curry]

Bollinger is never going to be a grown grower. Champagne bowling.

[John C. Dvorak]

I said this is the source.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, you could say that.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the source. The guy's wife stomped the grapes with his bare feet. You're going to love this champagne.

[Adam Curry]

You could do that. Yeah. If you were a sommelier and wanted to bullshit somebody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a B.S. i'm a bullshit.

[Adam Curry]

Now the other. Just. Just for the record, there's a. There's six other designations and one, if it get hit, contains the letter C. There's CM and rc. C. C means it's a co op wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is like cheap, Jack. It's like.

[Adam Curry]

No, see, the thing is about co op wines in France, they're usually really good. They have a really good wine. There's unlike co op stuff here in the United States, the French are very dedicated to this communist country.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

And they love the co op stuff. And so they make a co op wine with different labels on it and they put, you know, it could be anybody's product. Just so they look for the co op wines. Those are usually really cheap. And then there's one you should look for, which is a. Like if you bought a Costco, says Costco Kirkland Champagne. It probably have the letters MA which means it's just a. It's a mark Marketing. And we should be losing marketing. It's not there or anything. They.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who knows, they just put their label on it. It's just white label. White labels?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it means mark the market, the sales company. Mark the achateur, the sales guy. So it's a sales product. Champagne marketed by a third party. Now you look up champagne codes in Google and you'll get the whole list. And you can see what you're doing so you can have some knowledge. This is the only area in France that does this little code and it's very valuable.

[John C. Dvorak]

And can you just tell us what code you think is the best?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I like the grower champagnes, so I would go with the. The RM because it's cheaper, generally cheaper. I mean, you can get the superstar products are usually very expensive. But RM should be cheaper. They should be. I've seen them as cheap. You can get $30 champagne with RM if you get to go to the right vendor.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say this is a very valuable tip for those of you who stayed all the way through the program. Congratulations. You have been been informed. Get [e-mail].

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam Created by Dana Burnetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I love those tips. John, are you gonna do the knife soon? People want.

[Adam Curry]

The knife's coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

The knife.

[Adam Curry]

The knives are harder than you think.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I. I'm. But I'm ready. I'm ready to buy. I want a good knife.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, next tip of the day will be the knife.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, Knife is coming. What is coming next on your no Agenda stream is a walk through the mind. I don't even know this show. A walk through the mind. Okay, I'll stay and listen. And end of show mixes from MVP B dubs and the one and only Baron Darreno of the rock and roll.

So stay tuned for that everybody. It's going to be fantastic. And of course we will return on Sunday to bring you more of your media deconstruction. Your no Agenda show in its 19th year. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where where Julie is listening apparently in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We return to on Sunday. We hope that you will join us. The one thing you absolutely must do before next Sunday is remember [e-mail] until then everybody, adios mo foes.

And.

Such.

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[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You've been warned. Enjoy the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

No Agenda. Adios Mo. See, this is where it goes wrong. This is because it's free. Free. It's all free. It's just free. The Internet is free. No one ever taught these kids that. That's.

If the service is free.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

You are the product.

[John C. Dvorak]

But not me for V. No, no, no. Because it'll lock up the content behind the paywall code.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Bongino. You hit the jackpot. No Agenda Casino dreaming from Vegas it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Straight from the sphere and if you.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Forgot they just is 18 years and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now the saw popping off at the top of the hour Fight against the feeling of being bitter and sour I guess I'll sweeten up the value of.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

The product I'm bringing Cause they ain't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Got no soul With a robot singing ring the bell Break the spell of the 33s got that six week cycle.

[Congressman Ro Khanna]

Watch them rinse and repeat.

Yeah they rinse and repeat.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah watch them freeze.

[John C. Dvorak]

A revolution began 18 long years ago.

Two voices coming together to question all we know It's a media deconstruction that.

[News Correspondent]

We need to function.

[Adam Curry]

Is John mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

To Adam or is Adam mean to John?

[Adam Curry]

Don't get caught up in all of.

[John C. Dvorak]

This as it's just a great big cause it's only a deconstruction that we need to function.

[News Correspondent]

That don't have corporate sponsors or dark money coming in so they are unencumbered by overlords and for.

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