1823 - "Secretary of Egg"

Summary

No Agenda Show – Episode 1823 "Secretary of Egg"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: December 7, 2025

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Overview

This episode of No Agenda, titled "Secretary of Egg," continues Adam and John's signature style of media deconstruction, freewheeling humor, and political analysis. The show explores recent developments in the world of media consolidation (Netflix-Warner merger), international politics (Eurovision, U.S. military actions), the release of President Trump’s new National Security Strategy, vaccine policy upheaval, as well as domestic U.S. stories on crime, fraud, and immigration. As always, the hosts call out media bias, poke fun at political figures, and riff on the latest intrigue.

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Key Topics and Analysis

1. Kennedy Center Honors & Award-Show Elitism

• [00:53–04:53]
  • Discussion of recent Kennedy Center Honors as a "middle finger" to entertainment elites.
  • Commentary on how commercially successful stars (Gloria Gaynor, Sylvester Stallone, Kiss) are often snubbed by the establishment.
  • Adam: “Nobody did it like Gloria Gaynor. Gloria, thank you very much.” ([02:19])
  • John raises cynicism about who truly profits from these successes, referencing Gene Simmons of Kiss.

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2. Netflix–Warner Merger and Media Panic

• [05:10–12:46]
  • News clip: This is “arguably the most influential” deal in media history.
  • Regulatory concerns briefly discussed, but John downplays antitrust worries: “Streaming is wide open. Anybody can create a streaming app...Who cares?” ([08:18])
  • MAGA world reactions: Paranoia about an “Obama News Network” due to Obamas’ Netflix ties; John and Adam ridicule these theories.
  • History of media conglomerates owning studios, from AT&T to Coke to Gulf & Western.
  • Adam: “Every company that’s bought Warner has not done well out of it.”

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3. Eurovision and Political Fallout

• [13:20–15:40]
  • Multiple European countries withdraw Eurovision participation over Israel policy and voting allegations.
  • Clip: “The contest… strives to remain apolitical but is repeatedly embroiled in world events.”
  • John: “What an embarrassment. This is your pathetic virtue signal. Goodness gracious.” ([14:43])
  • Riffing on potential for a U.S.-led “World Vision Song Contest" as a satirical response.

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4. U.S. Strikes on Venezuelan ‘Narco Boats’ and the Impeachment Setup

• [16:16–30:49]
  • BBC and U.S. news dissect recent U.S. military actions against alleged drug boats; questions of legality, morality, and political strategy abound.
  • The narrative is constructed around potential war crimes, with lawyers and pundits forecasting a new impeachment effort.
  • Adam: “This is just a setup so they can impeach Trump again.”
  • Democrats argue that actions amount to murder, while Republicans and military claim it’s justified anti-narco terrorism.
  • John: “If we’re going to broadcast that video, please broadcast the video of the double and triple tap in Iraq, please.” ([29:39])
  • Media and politicians clearly divided, all “watching the same video walking away with different opinions.” ([27:22])

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5. National Security Strategy: The ‘America First’ Doctrine Expands

• [37:55–58:58]
  • President Trump’s new National Security document pivots US focus to the Western Hemisphere, reasserts the Monroe Doctrine, and signals reduced European commitments.
  • News analysis and global reactions take turns either panicking or downplaying US retrenchment.
  • Adam: “If Fuentes had written up this document, I’d vote for him as President.” ([58:00])
  • Sharp language about “civilizational erasure” in Europe and doubts about NATO/European reliability.
  • John reads direct excerpts, critiquing and lampooning their tone (“pragmatic without being pragmatist…”), suspecting poetic spin-doctoring.
  • Adam and John agree the Monroe Doctrine is essentially “Get off my turf. Exactly.” ([48:59])
  • Comparing the media’s slice-and-dice of narrative with literal out-of-context edits.

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6. Europe’s Nervous Reaction, and the Zelensky Call

• [60:50–71:16]
  • European responses to US strategic shift: mostly calm on the surface, but behind-the-scenes calls (der Spiegel leak) show obvious anxiety about being left “alone” on Ukraine.
  • Adam and John: relentless skepticism that the EU’s establishment will survive post-war discontent, referencing Germany, the UK, and France’s domestic struggles and unpopularity.

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7. U.S. Domestic Affairs

a. South African Mass Shooting & Gun Control

• [79:00–82:59]
  • Analysis of high murder rates and continued illegal gun violence in South Africa despite strict controls.
  • Adam and John point out lack of U.S. media coverage.

b. Minnesota Somali Welfare Fraud Scandal

• [83:38–95:55]
  • Congressional and media attempts to address/contain fallout from a massive welfare fraud concentrated in Minnesota’s Somali community.
  • Ilhan Omar defends her role, downplays terrorism links, and emphasizes that Somali taxpayers are also victims.
  • Hosts critique both interviewers’ kid-glove and deflective tactics, lampooning politicization and rhetorical jujitsu (“We're victims. What are you talking about, Margaret?” – John, [91:05]).
  • Adam highlights the “investigation” reframing and insincere attempts at closure.

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8. CDC & Hepatitis B Vaccine Policy Drama

• [96:04–117:55]
  • Coverage of CDC advisory committee’s move to change universal newborn Hepatitis B vaccine recommendation to a doctor–parent consultation model (particularly if mothers test negative).
  • Blowback from legacy media and pharma–linked pundits, with repeated “safe and effective” mantras.
  • BBC and NPR are especially alarmist, worried about ‘confusion for parents’ and a weakening of public health trust.
  • John: “The code word Safe and effective. I believe after hearing it from this guy on the BBC, that is a code. I almost can be convinced that somebody gets a check in the mail for $1,000 for saying the words safe and effective…” ([106:32])
  • Exposure of liability shield (from the 1986 Act), and pharma’s unease at loss of control.
  • John concludes: “I think this is actually the death knell of the whole system.”

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9. Tech Corner: AI Music Detection & Embedded Systems

• [149:32–155:11]
  • Listener boots-on-the-ground emails provide insight on Airbus flight computer software glitches (bit-flipping/bad patches) and sample-by-sample estimation models used in AI music copyright detection (“just guessing” with percentages of similarity, then billing the AI model owner accordingly).

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10. U.S. Military Realignment: Western Hemisphere Army Command

• [156:15–157:40]
  • NPR-reported formation of a new U.S. Army Western Hemisphere Command at Fort Bragg, signaling a renewed military focus on the Americas and border security under Trump.

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11. ‘Who Are They?’ – Deep State Edition

• [158:00–161:15]
  • Citing Lara Logan, John explains “they” as Council for the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE), positioning it as an overarching federal command and control system for bureaucracy and coverups.

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12. Drugs, Narco States & Opioid Vaping

• [161:17–164:11]
  • Belgium’s drug chief claims 80% of illegal vape refills seized contain synthetic opioids; John expresses skepticism and notes organized crime’s infiltration of Belgian authorities.

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13. Immigration Crackdown & Domestic Impacts

• [164:15–170:28]
  • DHS launches operations against criminal aliens in sanctuary cities; ground-level reports (from soft drink drivers and truckers) suggest a real impact on commercial activity and employment.
  • Adam shares a personal experience with predatory immigration law firms stringing along legitimate applicants: “Look me up, dude.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Media Awards:
  John: “The people who make the movies that are loved most by the audience never get an award ever. Ever.” ([01:15])
• On Streaming Antitrust Fears:
  John: “Streaming is wide open. Who cares?” ([08:18])
• On U.S. Strikes & Impeachment:
  Adam: “This is just a setup so they can impeach Trump again.” ([30:49])
• On The New National Security Strategy:
  John (sarcastic): “No administration in history has achieved so dramatic a turnaround in so short a time.” ([43:00])
• On “Who Are They”:
  John: “They are the Council for the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency.” ([159:55])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:53] Kennedy Center Honors discussion, Award show skepticism
• [05:10] Netflix–Warner merger, antitrust speculation, social media panic
• [13:22] Eurovision controversy and political fallout
• [16:16] U.S. strikes against alleged Venezuelan narco boats; impeachment setup
• [37:55] Breakdown of Trump’s National Security Strategy
• [60:50] European reaction, Zelensky leak, nervousness about US policy
• [79:00] South African mass shooting and gun control
• [83:38] Minnesota Somali fraud investigation, Ilhan Omar interview
• [96:04] CDC reverses Hepatitis B universal newborn vaccine recommendation
• [149:32] Embedded firmware expert on Airbus glitch
• [155:11] AI-model-based music copyright calculation
• [156:15] US Army Western Hemisphere Command
• [158:01] Command and control/"they" defined
• [161:17] Opioid-laced vape refills in Belgium, narco state concerns
• [164:15] Immigration crackdown, trucking and economic impact, legal scams

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Style, Tone, and Format

• Sarcastic, irreverent, direct
• Heavy use of anecdotes, inside jokes, and callbacks
• Skeptical of all sides; aggressively fact-checks mainstream and alternative media alike
• Regularly attributes hypocrisy and hidden motivations to politicians, bureaucrats, and media figures

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Summary

No Agenda Episode 1823 is a marathon of topical breakdown, connecting dots between media spin, political maneuvering, global realignments, and the local impacts of complex policy decisions. Through a blend of humor, informed skepticism, and community-powered insight, Adam and John skewer media hype, expose buried stories, and provide context that few mainstream outlets dare to attempt.

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Memorable ISOs and Running Gags

• “Oh my God, these guys are so hot.” ([190:54] end-of-show ISO)
• “Look me up, dude.” – Adam’s advice for handling shady lawyers ([169:42])
• Recurring threats to “quit” if there’s another impeachment ([22:39], [127:29])
• Secretary of Egg as episode title, spawned from confusing “Secretary of AG(Riculture)” in fraud discussion ([92:06])

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

And right now, she's cheap. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Sunday, December 7, 2025. This is your award winning Demo Nation media assassination episode 1823.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

We got blue checks. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where we've been determined to be the most affordable podcast in the universe, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what prestigious award was this affordable?

Because it basically costs you nothing until you get value and then you send something.

[Adam Curry]

Is that why we're feel like it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

They don't feel like it much recently, but eventually they'll be back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, did you see the Kennedy Center Honors?

[Adam Curry]

I only saw Trump giving awards to people. Well, I didn't get to see his. Did he go, did he do his bit? He's gonna be the host.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was.

[Adam Curry]

He's gonna be like the host. It's like a comedy show where you gotta host the guy at the beginning telling jokes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well.

What was nice about it is it was. I don't know if people really understand this, but it was a huge middle finger to establishment entertainment business. Because if you ever notice, if you look at the Grammys, if you look at the Academy Awards, the people who make the movies that are loved most by the audience never get an award ever. Ever.

Unwrap.

[Adam Curry]

No, there's, there's. It happens by accident.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, sometimes by accident, but usually it doesn't happen.

And I have a quick.

[Adam Curry]

The way they see it is that, look, all the money you made is an award in itself.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly right. It's like the inverse of the no Agenda show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, the money doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't need any more accolades, man. So I just want to highlight the three awards. Here they are in quick succession.

[Adam Curry]

We have the Disco queen. And she was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indeed.

[Adam Curry]

And nobody did it like Gloria Gaynor. Gloria, thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gay icon Gloria Gaynor.

Yes, very good.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good head of hair.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he says to the lady with a wig. That's a good head of hair. That was pretty funny. All right, next, a friend of mine.

[Adam Curry]

A wonderful person, a really spectacular person. One of the true great movie stars. There aren't many. There used to be a lot, there aren't many now. But he's one of the great legends and had some of the greatest movies ever, including the top grossing movies ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sylvester, Sly Stallone, Never received an Academy Award ever.

[Adam Curry]

And then the best screenplay.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that?

[Adam Curry]

I thought he wanted for best screenplay for Rocky.

[John C. Dvorak]

I looked it up according to what I could find was nothing. And then, of course, these guys never got a Grammy. Not sure they deserved it, but in my heart they did.

[Adam Curry]

And the members of the incredible rock band Kiss.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's good. Give those guys an award. And I'd.

[Adam Curry]

You know, they didn't win any Grammys because their material was such. But I've always felt, you know, they are iconic. They. They had a singular act. Nobody really ever copied it. Well, Gore kind of thing. They were entertaining.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was super entertaining.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yeah. I saw a tribute, a band. I actually believe I've seen Kiss because I was in Seattle once, out in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The square area, where I either remembered or you don't. How could you think you saw Kiss?

[Adam Curry]

Well, because there was a. It was supposed to be a tribute band, but it could have been Kiss because it was exactly the same. And I went there with a friend of mine at PC magazine publisher. We went in there and all of a sudden we'd go into this bar in Pioneer Square and there's this. Kiss is playing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And we stuck around and watched them. They were throwing fire in the air. And these guys, they sounded like Kiss. It looked like Kiss. I believed I. I might as well have seen Kiss. The tribute band was so good, but most. Nobody else did anything like that, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just liked it. I thought that was. That was fun, you know, for people who have huge commercial success or at least recognized success. I don't think everybody in Kiss made all the money, to be honest. Think Gene Simmons probably has it all.

Good friend of the present. My good friend. Long time. Long time. Good friend or long time? Go ahead, trolls. Nate, say it. He's a Jew. Yeah, there you go.

But the entertainer, wow, he is.

[Adam Curry]

These guys never let out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here is the entertainment news of the week. This is only the third largest such deal in the history of the entertainment industry. However, it is arguably the most influential.

[News Reporter]

This deal sets Netflix up to be the king of content, old and new. Netflix's co CEO says, our mission has always been to entertain the world. Together, we can give audiences more of what they love and help define the next century of storytelling in Canada.

[Adam Curry]

This would certainly attract attention from the federal regulators.

[News Reporter]

Under normal circumstances, a deal this massive invites regulatory scrutiny, raises antitrust concerns. But analysts say this administration isn't likely to stand in the way.

[Adam Curry]

The Trump administration doesn't seem to be putting forth any pushback towards consolidation within.

[News Reporter]

The media industry, though that green light may come with strings attached.

[Adam Curry]

The quiet part out loud in deals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like this is this is an administration.

[Adam Curry]

That does not like having stories told about it that it does not approve.

[News Reporter]

Shares of Netflix sold off on the news while shares of Warner Brothers jumped. Investors aren't sure this will pay off for the streaming giant, but consumers will be rewarded with more content at a cost.

[Adam Curry]

I suspect the initial reaction will be to increase subscription prices, but the diversity.

[News Reporter]

Of content in the future may suffer.

[Adam Curry]

Smaller scale directors are probably huddling in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dark rooms having stations now, but how.

[Adam Curry]

They survive in this scary new world.

[News Reporter]

Acquisition is expected to close in 12 to 18 months. Analysts expect more mega deals in the US media industry. Comcast and Paramount were also bidding on Warner's legacy assets.

[Adam Curry]

Paramount was one of those two interested buyers that got rebuffed. They're going to lick their wounds and they're going to come back and they're going to look for something else.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the responses to this were kind of baffling.

On the America First MAGA side, let's see, we have Laura Loomer. I told you this is going to happen. This is bad. Get ready for the Obama News Network. What?

Somehow, because the Obamas had some deal with Netflix, now Obama is going to be running the Obama News Network. Jack Prasibic, Susan Rice is on the board of Netflix. This is about Obama's taking over media.

Matt Gaetz, Trump must stop this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm surprised. I'm glad you. I didn't think this was a story because I don't believe this merger is ever going to occur. And I think the best analysts have said so. And it's an idea. It's to put Warner in a band so Paramount doesn't grab him. And they want to keep me that way for years. So whether this deal is consummated is the issue, but the fact that anyone reacted to it. You had the same thing at the dinner table that came up with this kind of weirdness. I mean, this is, I don't know what, what the deal is. I guess they, the way I understand it, if they were, if they got a hold of it, they would, they'd spin off CNN anyway.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, CNN is not part of the deal. CNN's not even part of the deal. But the thing that gets me is even from an antitrust perspective, streaming is wide open. Anybody can create a streaming app. Anybody can stream whatever they want to. Anybody, Anybody. And everybody is creating content. Who cares?

I'll tell you who cares. The movie theater owners are finally Going to realize, oop, that's it. Time to pack it in. Time to turn it into a roller rink. And the actors and other people who get residuals, they're the ones that are going to be crying about it because that is over now. I think it's until 2029. They're going to continue. That's the proposal. They'll continue everything. But once it's on Netflix, I don't think residuals count anymore. And certainly not for new stuff going forward. And what really have they done for us? Who really cares? TikTok is funnier than most movies. Even your TikTok clips.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you should know since you've been poaching them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

No, it's. It's just. I mean, I don't see, I don't even see why there would be a problem with Netflix acquiring it. Who cares?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so there's that. Well, the element.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they got Bugs Bunny, they got Batman, so they have a great catalog of stuff. Stuff I might want to watch, I might not. But is that, is it really anti competitive?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I definitely don't see Obama's hook into this deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, these companies have been bought and sold by technology companies throughout my entire life.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Warner's been owned by AT&T owned by.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had so many company. Columbia, Sony still owns.

[Adam Curry]

AOL owned them for a while. If you remember those days, I think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't Coca Cola own a studio at one point? Didn't they own MGM at some point?

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember what Coca Cola looked at.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. Let me see. I'm pretty sure.

It'S just like, who cares? Golf and Western, an oil company owned a studio.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

For a long time. I think they owned Paramount too, didn't they? Gulf and Western.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, they did. It was a GNW company. Yeah.

Let me see if they owned a movie studio. I'm pretty sure they did.

[Adam Curry]

Almost like the hotel business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly the same, you know, they. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

What do you want? I tell you what, I'll give you two of my hotels in London for one of yours in Dubai.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Coca Cola.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, you gotta sweeten the deal. Okay, well, we'll do the signage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Coca Cola owned the movie studio Columbia Pictures from 82 to 89. Acquired it for 750 million in 82. Sold it to Sony for 3.4 billion. Good job.

[Adam Curry]

That was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

A good deal. No one was losing their mind over that. Whoa. They won't sell Pepsi in the theaters. It was horrible.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't see any. I don't see selling to the Japanese.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't see. Yes, I don't see any problem with this. This is fine. This is good. And the Latin, just for whatever reason we're on the show business news. The biggest news out of Europe. Who cares about immigration?

[Adam Curry]

Wait, I'm sorry, I know you were building it up, but I had to say this. Everybody who's bought and sold, Warner in particular, have not done well after that, after it was come. After they came and went.

[John C. Dvorak]

And remember Bronfman, Seagram's like what happened aol for example? Well, the AOL was tragic. They bought Time Warner, got the whole kitten caboodle. It was tragic.

And the Bronfmans, I guess the Bronfmans are still doing okay. Seagrams, they're still around. Didn't they buy booze? Didn't they buy the studio?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. But now that you're bringing up the way you do with these, all this discrepant bunch of who knows why they're own the studio in the first place? I guess they want to get laid, but they got some executive that's in love with the starlet. I mean, it makes no sense to me. So it's the only thing I can think of.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just nailed it.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the entire idea behind it. Of course. All these ugly billionaires, they don't want to get involved in show business. We hang out with some beautiful people. Yeah. Seagram bought DMCA in, in 1995 with Universal Studios, so. Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm surprised you don't know some of these people. You hang out, you hang out with these billionaires. When I was on the yacht.

[Adam Curry]

When I was on the yacht sipping a mojito.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, here's the big news out of Europe.

[News Reporter]

At least four countries have announced they are pulling out of next year's Eurovision Song Contest after organizers decided to allow Israel to compete. The participating broadcasters from the Netherlands, Spain.

[Adam Curry]

Ireland and Slovenia each withdrew from the song contest.

[News Reporter]

After the European Broadcasting Union held its twice yearly general assembly, the countries called for Israel to be excluded over alleged interference in voting and its conduct in the war on Gaza.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what I'm pleased is the membership have had a full opportunity to debate it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I can tell you it was.

[Adam Curry]

A full, frank, honest and quite moving debate. But as we can see from the emphatic result, what they really came together on is a belief that Eurovision Song Contest shouldn't be used as a political theater.

[John C. Dvorak]

It must retain some sense of neutrality.

[News Reporter]

The EBU voted to adopt tougher voting rules in response to the allegations that.

[Adam Curry]

Israel manipulated the vote in favor of their contestant.

[News Reporter]

The contest of musical acts from dozens of countries strives to remain apolitical but has repeatedly been embroiled in world events. Russia was expelled in 2022 after its first full scale invasion of Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

Over the past two years, pro Palestinian.

[News Reporter]

Protesters demonstrated against Israel outside the Eurovision contest venues in Switzerland and in Sweden.

[John C. Dvorak]

How embarrassing for the Dutch. What an embarrassment. This is your pathetic virtue signal. Goodness gracious. I know a lot of people at the national song contest level now. Just embarrassing. We're taking a stand. Okay. You make music.

Gay music. Well, anyway, this does this.

[Adam Curry]

You had to throw that in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because. Well, and the lead into this opens up the opportunity for America to. To create, host and. And produce the gayest song contest in the world competition. Everyone will come. It'd be great.

I see that as. What an opportunity. If the president wasn't the president, he would do it.

[Adam Curry]

No, he wouldn't. Call it World Vision. Not Eurovision.

[John C. Dvorak]

Global Vision.

[Adam Curry]

The World Vision song contest.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, so everyone's got their panties in a bunch. They just.

[Adam Curry]

Well, over what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Over everything. Over everything.

[Adam Curry]

They got their panties in a bunch over Hegseth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, goodness gracious. Oh, because this is. This is the attack vector, as you called it. Now you say when the Democrats win the midterm, I have no crystal ball, but if they do, this will be the impeachment terms. It'll be about killing innocent people clinging to wood.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's an. This is interesting play this BBC set. This is a tease from yesterday, the BBC World Service. Because coming up we're going to hear from a former senior lawyer from the Pentagon on the controversial military strikes by the United States against alleged narcotics boats from Venezuela. Alleged the orders that have been given by senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which we believe they are. Then everyone who executes those orders, from the admiral down to the person who pulls the trigger, faces legal liability.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is that really true, though?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Is it true or not? You want to hear the clip where this guy is on the BBC making his commentary? Of course, because this Hagseth attacks BBC One. Pete Hagseth, America's Secretary of Defense, hit back Saturday at critics of the killings in the Caribbean of people the Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, ooh, I like that alliteration. Killings in the Caribbean. Killings in the Caribbean.

[Adam Curry]

Hit back Saturday at critics of the killings in the Caribbean of people the Trump administration says are drugs smugglers, which it's linked to Venezuela and the government in Caracas. At least 83 people have been killed and 21 have been injured in the last three months in US raids. In an incident on the 2nd.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. I have no knowledge of this. I thought everybody got blown to bits. 21 have been injured.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know that either.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's kind of news to me. I'd like to know more about that.

[Adam Curry]

Venezuela and the government in Caracas. Well, when they were injured, how did they rescue them? They're just sitting in the middle of the ocean. They're not going to last long.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think they get rescued, but I only knew of two, and now it turns out 21. Okay, well, there you go. That's actually strengthening the case here.

[Adam Curry]

People have been killed and 21 have been injured in the last three months in US raids. In an incident on 2 September, two survivors of a US airstrike that destroyed a boat said to be carrying narcotics was subsequently killed. When the admiral in charge, Frank Bradley, who leads Special Operations Command, ordered a second strike after they were spotted clinging onto the wreckage. Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in the last couple, Secretary Hegseth was defiant, saying the U.S. will continue killing those he labeled narco terrorists. Major General Stephen Lepper served as judge advocate general in the U.S. air Force. That's the second most senior lawyer in uniform at the Pentagon until his retirement. He is a member of jags, a group of former military lawyers set up in February in response to the firing of other Judge Advocate Generals. Speaking to me earlier, before Mr. Hegseth's appearance at the forum, I asked him why the anti narcotics operations are so troubling. Well, I'm very concerned. I and my colleagues first of all believe that even the first strikes of these vessels are unlawful because the legal justification upon which the entire operation is based, first of all, is still secret because the Office of Legal Counsel opinion justifying them has not been released. But even more importantly, it does not constitute a non international armed conflict, which is the rationale that the Trump administration has given for the strikes in the first, first place.

Okay, this character, this was part of an overall scheme. The BBC's part of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, clearly.

[Adam Curry]

And this guy is actually a banker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that, that makes it extra fun. Of course he is. This is all against the North Sea nexus. He's like, hey, we can't launder any money. We can't launder any money. The money's not coming through. Stop blowing up our boats.

[Adam Curry]

The military bank. He's also. He went, He Was a JAG guy in the Air Force for a while. And then he. If you look at his. He's on LinkedIn. So I follow. I looked at his education. He went, immediately got certificated, which is the only way I can pronounce that. I think it's pronounced certificate.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's right.

[Adam Curry]

He got certificated for this. That the other. All money management, personal wealth management. Banking, Banking, banking. And now he's. He runs a. Ran some banks. And he's running a bank now. And so he's a banker. So this guy's a banker. So it makes nothing. But since your thesis, yes, it falls into place with this banker. And here we now and then we see the confluence of one scheme and another in clip two. That is just obvious. And what that means in the law is that not only should we not be talking about these things in terms of war crimes, we should be talking about these things as simple murder. Right. I mean, that will surprise a lot of people who might think you can argue over the definitions. The military kill people who they regard as enemies, and therefore the standard would be war crimes. But you think actually it's a civilian one. I do. I mean, narco trafficking has traditionally by all the nations in the world, been considered a law enforcement issue. These are criminals who are bringing drugs to our shores. They are civilians who are bringing drugs to our shores. And one of the ways in which this administration has tried to sidestep the law, which basically says you can't kill civilians, is to suggest that this is somehow an armed conflict. There are no arms involved in this. And so the narco trafficker vessels do not qualify as combatants under international law. Would military commanders who made an order like the one Admiral Bradley is said to have made have some protection? If those orders came as a result of instructions from the leadership in the Pentagon, in other words, from the Secretary of Defense. Well, no. There is a duty among military members, no matter what rank or position you hold, to disobey unlawful orders.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in the pocket. Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Sound familiar?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, nice. Very nice. I told you that that was about these drug boats.

That's the first.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was obviously about the drug boats. Was all part of a giant scheme and a setup for the impeachment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

That will take place in 2027.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, man, we're going to quit if we. I can't do another impeachment.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the impeachment. I can't do another quitting. I'm sick of these impeachments.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm quitting.

[Adam Curry]

I quit. I give up.

You just keep impeach. I don't understand what the Republicans put up with it. Okay, let's. This is the end of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

And if the orders that have been given by senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which we believe they are, then everyone who executes those orders, from the admiral down to the person who pulls the trigger, faces legal liability. That's retired U.S. judge Advocate General Major General Steven Lepper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. By the way, this got zero play, but.

What'S this guy's name?

Paul Campo. Paul Campo, who oversaw the FBI's money laundering operations and resigned in 2016. Just got busted for, oh, laundering drug money.

[Adam Curry]

It didn't get played.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cartel money.

[Adam Curry]

Mentioned something else in the BBC report. For those journalists wannabes out there, where's the balance in this reporting? You could easily bring somebody in with the other point of view and have them express themselves. No, you have a one sided, lopsided presentation that only goes in one direction because you're part of a scheme. The BBC has just deteriorated to an extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, same can be said for the United States. M5M. I do have the morning shows.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that's all we've been saying for 18 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning shows from this morning, Sunday doing the rounds. This is what it was all about. Oh, I got to talk about this drug. Here is George Stephanopoulos with Adam Smith. I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat, is he not? Yeah, he must be a Democrat.

At least the way he talks. Otherwise I'd be surprised. Here is.

[Adam Curry]

We're joined now by Congressman Adam Smith, the top Democrat on the House Democratic Services Committee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Congressman, thank you Armed Services Committee for.

[Adam Curry]

Joining us this morning. You've seen these videos. You were briefed by Admiral Bradley and others. Can you just describe what you saw.

[John C. Dvorak]

And what you heard?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think Jim Himes described it really well. There were two survivors on an overturned boat and Senator Cotton's description of it is simply not accurate. When they were finally taken out, they were trying to flip the boat over. The boat was clearly incapacitated. A tiny portion of it remained capsized. The bow, the boat. They had no communications device. Certainly they were unarmed. Any claim that the drugs had somehow survived that attack is hard to really square with what we saw. So it was deeply disturbing. It did not appear that these two survivors were in any position to continue the fight. And then you get into the larger issue which you previewed of what is the fight exactly? They were trying to bring drugs and not even to the United States. United States, by the way, there's no evidence, I mean, the drugs were going to some other point where they were going to be transshipped from there. And again, no congressional authorization for this. If it is a war, then there should be either congressional authorization or compliance with the War Powers Resolution. So this seems to go directly against Donald Trump's pledge to keep us out of wars. He seems to be dragging us into one without legal authorization.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's hear what Cotton had to say who did show up on the morning shows. This is him with Manhands Welker on NBC.

[News Reporter]

Let me ask you about the aftermath of that first shoot. The Pentagon's law of war manual, which you're familiar with, having served in Iraq and Afghanistan, says, quote, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal. Given that, how was the that follow on strike of two survivors legal, Senator?

[Adam Curry]

Well, again, Kristen, they were not incapacitated. They were not in the water surviving only because they had a life jacket or hanging to a plank of wood. They were sitting on that boat. They were clearly moving around on it. That is in contrast, for instance, to another strike that Secretary Hegseth described just yesterday in October in which you had two survivors who were in the that state. They were essentially just dog paddling in the water. And what happened on that strike? A US Vessel went and picked those survivors up and took them back to their home country. That's just an example of how our military makes these decisions based on the facts and circumstances of each particular case, consistent with laws and with the directive you just stated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. So were they helpless or not? It looks like everybody watched the video and walked away with different opinions. Oh, this is, this is so strange. Here's Jim, by the way, just to.

[Adam Curry]

Stop you for a second, that the mention that you caught on the BBC where they said they, they captured 21 people survived, meaning those are 21 people that were rescued. So the modus operandi is not to kill those.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right.

[Adam Curry]

That survived. And so that, that I think the fact that they let that slip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's a mistake.

[Adam Curry]

Was a mistake.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

In their, you know, considering the plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only modus operandi impeach Trump as quickly as possible.

[News Reporter]

Democrat. This is Jim Heinz, House Intelligence Committee Congressman Himes. He joins us this morning from Connecticut. Welcome back to BASE THE nation.

[Adam Curry]

Thanks for having me, Margaret.

[News Reporter]

You are one of the few lawmakers shown the classified version of this September 2nd video of the US strikes an alleged drug boat near Venezuela, four strikes in total. We've learned you met with Admiral Bradley, who commands Special operations as well. The president says he's open to this video being made public. Do you think it is essential that it become public? And are you confident it will be?

[Adam Curry]

I think it's really important that this video be made public. It's not lost on anyone, of course, that the interpretation of the video, which, you know, six or seven of us had an opportunity to see last week, broke down precisely on party lines. And so this is an instance in which I think the American public needs to judge for itself. I know how the public is going to be. React. Is going to react, because I felt my own reaction. You know, I've spent years looking at videos of lethal action taken often in the terrorism context. And this video was profoundly shaking, shaken. And I think it's important for Americans to see it because, look, there's a certain amount of sympathy out there for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going after drug runners. But I think it's really important that.

[Adam Curry]

People see what it looks like when the full force of the United States military is turned on two guys who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are clinging to a piece of wood and about to go under just so.

[Adam Curry]

That they have sort of a visceral feel for what it is that we're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

He saw a different video clinging to a piece of wood. Tom Cotton said they were not clinging to a piece of wood. And if we're going to. If we're going to broadcast that video, please, please broadcast the video of the double and triple tap in Iraq, please.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Or. And he did it in Pakistan, I think. Afghanistan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Nobody brings up. We're gonna. Of course, I'm never gonna stop doing this because until the media at least comes back at somebody with the commentary that Obama did, did this, he. And he blew up. In fact, so did Bush. In fact, it blew up weddings.

Literally blew up weddings. Documented blowing up weddings. Pay people off.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was like a hundred grand. Oh, I'm sorry we killed one of your wedding. Wedding party.

Guests. He's $100,000. It was a set amount.

[Adam Curry]

Then they would do a double tap. When people came to rescue the injured, they blow them up again. And this was the real killer. That. The second double tap that Obama, let's be honest, specialized in and nobody brings it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's be honest, when it comes to killing people, we are foam finger number one.

So what's this unpaid.

[Adam Curry]

There's that Obama gets to the top of the list, though, in his kill list. A Tuesday kill list. What was. Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous that they just, you know, this is Just a setup so they can impeach Trump again. Well, let's go. They can set the record. We're number one at impeaching and getting nowhere with it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go back to Tom Cotton.

[News Reporter]

I hear you saying they weren't incapacitated. And yet Democratic Congressman Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee, saw this very differently.

[John C. Dvorak]

You see that? Even though I'm playing from three different news networks, it's all the same thing. Everybody went to say the same thing, and it's different from the other guy. It's amazing.

[News Reporter]

He said, quote, it looks like two classically shipwrecked people. Other lawmakers who saw the video said the two men appeared to raise their arms, potentially to signal that they were trying to surrender. Senator, why did Admiral Bradley interpret those actions as anything other than these two men trying to seek help and survive?

[Adam Curry]

Well, again, they were sitting or standing on top of a capsized boat. They weren't floating helplessly in the water. And Kristen, I don't think it matters all that much what they were trying to do. It looked at one point like they were trying to flip the boat back over, presumably to rescue its cargo and continue their mission or to stay afloat. Maybe they, maybe they were signaling to other airplanes or drug cartel boats.

[John C. Dvorak]

That sounds pretty flimsy that their radios. They were doing flags, semaphore signals to the other boats, airplanes, satellite waters that.

[Adam Curry]

Are just off drug cartel areas. At one point, the guy takes off his T shirt. Maybe he's trying to get a suntan. It doesn't really matter what they were trying to do. What matters is they were not in a shipwreck state, distressed dog paddling in the water at all. And therefore that boat, its cargo, and those drug traffickers remained valid targets. And I think what the Democrats object to here is not the second strike. It's the first strike and every other strike.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now let's go back to Adam Smith with Stephanopoulos. What is this really about?

[Adam Curry]

On the release of the video, President Trump has said he's fin with having a release. But Secretary Hegseth also said yesterday that's still being reviewed, and he raised the possibility that they can't release it because they don't want to compromise sources and methods.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. I mean, how many videos have they released to date? I'm not sure. It's like 15 or 20. They've showed the strike. It's not very hard to make sure that nothing in that video shows anything, but they showed us just the portion that we saw of those two on the boat, it's no different. Different than any of the dozen plus videos they've already released. I mean, it seems pretty clear they don't want to release this video because they don't want people to see it because it's very, very difficult to justify. And again, big issue here is President Trump's dragging us into a foreign conflict. When we have domestic issues that we're supposed to be paying attention to, that we need to be paying attention to, it's directly contrary to the campaign that President Trump ran. And is this really about drugs, or is it about regime change in Venezuela? Are we about to go to war with Venezuela? The president has alluded to that repeatedly over the course of the last several weeks, couple months now. And that, too, I think, would be very, very bad for the national security interests of our country. Why? What? What. How's it got anything to do with national security?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, we don't want to be dragged into war, man. America first.

[Adam Curry]

Well, obviously, Stepanopoulos asked him immediately when he made that statement. What are you talking about?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no, no. Of course not. Last clip in the series. This is back to Manhands Walker with Tom Cotton.

[News Reporter]

How is a boat that's not heading to the United States an imminent threat to this country, Senator?

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's one possibility based on the tactics and techniques that we've observed of these drug cartels. They slept in smaller boats to sea, and then they link up with a larger boat before they continue their mission. I didn't hear that specifically from Admiral Bradley in my briefing, but what we know is that these drug cartels, which are designated foreign terrorist organizations, are trafficking drugs to our shores. And when we have an opportunity to strike one of these boats, where the intelligence gives us high confidence that everyone on the boat is a valid target because they are associated with these cartels, then I think we need to strike it.

[News Reporter]

Now.

[Adam Curry]

There's other cases when we don't have that high confidence when there might be, for instance, young girls that are being human trafficked and obviously our military will blow them up. I think it's much more likely that we're missing some opportunities to strike these boats and protect America, because we don't. What's he talking about? We're missing an opportunity to blow up some chicks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crap, man. We missed it. We blew it. Oh, Hegseth. I can't believe it.

[Adam Curry]

Strike.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's much more likely that.

[Adam Curry]

We'Re missing some opportunities to strike these boats and protect Americans because we don't have the same high level of confidence.

[News Reporter]

Senator, is there any hard evidence that shows that this particular boat was headed to the United States?

[Adam Curry]

That didn't come up in my briefing. But again, there's very reliable multiple sources of intelligence that tells us that this boat had drugs on it, that everyone on that boat was associated with these designated foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill American children.

[News Reporter]

But are you comfortable having the United States.

[Adam Curry]

So how's it a boat. So she's been co opted by your nexus because she knows somebody told her. She listens to our show, which I don't think so. She knows that this is all about Europe and screwing them over by stopping the flow of drugs from Venezuela to Europe. And she's trying to get him to admit it or to say something or to hint at it, but she knows the way she's asking the question, are you sure? How come the bull was not. Was headed east, dude, it doesn't sound like it's coming our way. And she's acting coy about it, but in fact, she knows what the deal is and he does too.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he's not doing a good job answering.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's not. Well, he's not a talented. Really? That talented?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. He will not get a Kennedy honor for his actual capability.

[Adam Curry]

That this boat had drugs on it. That everyone on that boat was associated with these designated foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill American children.

[News Reporter]

But are you comfortable having the United States target a boat in which you have not seen evidence that it's actually heading to the United States, that it's an imminent threat?

[Adam Curry]

Any boat loaded with drugs that is trapped, that is crude. By associates and members of foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill American kids, I think is a valid target. I'm not just comfortable with it. I want to continue it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I want to continue it. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this kind of rolls into the.

The National Security Strategy documents that was released, which I had a chance to review all 33 pages.

[Adam Curry]

Ah. And of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's actually, it's.

Here'S a little intro to it and then we'll talk about what's in it. And then the responses around the world is pretty funny.

[News Reporter]

Shy of a year into his second term, President Trump details in this newly released national security memoir how he wants to change America's relationships and responsibilities in every region of the globe. The President's top priority is connected to his months of strikes on alleged drug boats.

[Adam Curry]

Very soon we're going to start doing it on land, too.

[News Reporter]

Trump's memo states, after years of neglect, the United States will reassert and enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore American preeminence in the Western Hemisphere.

[Adam Curry]

If you're focused on America and America.

[John C. Dvorak]

First, you start with your own hemisphere, where we live.

[News Reporter]

A big part of this is creating a larger US Military presence in the Western Hemisphere, particularly the Navy and Coast Guard, to control sea lanes, to thwart illegal and other unwanted migration, to reduce human and drug trafficking, and to control key transit routes in a crisis. Another tactic, tariffs. The President says he's prioritizing what he calls commercial diplomacy to boost American commerce while making it harder for non hemispheric competitors to increase their influence in the region. And the White House says we should make every effort to push out foreign companies that build infrastructure in the region. The Trump administration says all of this is part of their America first strategy. But even some of the president's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America first should mean America first and only American. Americans First.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the way, this is very interesting, what they did here. This, that bit from Marjorie Taylor Greene is from her resignation video from four weeks ago. Three weeks ago. So they, they say this, this is.

[News Reporter]

Part of their America first strategy. But even some of the President's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America First.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's not responding to this document. That's still from three weeks ago. They make it sound like, oh, some of the President's supporters don't like it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is a good example of this sort of editing. Now, this is on what show?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is NBC.

[Adam Curry]

NBC morning show.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what show it was.

It's just a report.

[Adam Curry]

It's the classic what's been going on. This is like the BBC edit of the Trump speech.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

You take something discrepant and throw it in. It's got the same volume, you know, it sounds reasonable, makes sense, makes the report sing. Yeah, the region.

[News Reporter]

The Trump administration says all of this is part of their America first strategy. But even some of the President's own supporters argue he's too focused on foreign affairs. America first should mean America First.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she's not a supporter. How can you even say that.

She disavowed the president?

[Adam Curry]

Well, she does now, but she was a supporter. I think that if you're in the editorial meeting and you got into this discussion, because you'd be the guy there, that would be this dick that says stuff like that. And the editor say, well, yeah, Curry, shut up. But basically, basically, Curry get back to the city desk. Basically, she was a supporter traditionally, and she represents supporters in essence.

Get back to the city desk and shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will.

[News Reporter]

Americans first. Where the Trump administration wants America to shoulder less responsibility is European Europe, claiming the continent is in decline in part due to migration. They also accuse European leaders of having unrealistic expectations for peace in Ukraine and argue NATO should stop expanding. This memo has much in it that should encourage Russia, which also wants to stop NATO from expanding and rejects Europe's expectations for the end of its war. Now, unlike national security memos from past administrations, President Trump says it's in America's core interest to reestablish strategic stability with Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh.

What a horrible thing. My fellow Americans. He starts.

[Adam Curry]

And he's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course he is. Over the past nine months, we have brought our nation and the world back from the brink of catastrophe and disaster. Please clap.

[Adam Curry]

It says in the rearrangement report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it starts off.

[Adam Curry]

That's how it starts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. This is his letter introducing the strategy document. No administration in history has achieved so dramatic a turnaround in so short a time.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And then he goes into some wins here. And then in everything we do, we are putting America first. Better. Better recapture that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's trying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's trying to recapture that. So it's actually a pretty interesting document. It starts with what is American strategy? I've highlighted a few things. Our elites. Our elites badly miscalculated America's willingness to shoulder forever global burdens to which the American people saw no connection to the national interest. They overestimated America's ability to fund simultaneously a massive welfare, regulatory, administrative state alongside a massive military, diplomatic, intelligence and foreign aid complex.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder who wrote this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's unclear.

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to hear. As you're reading. I'm trying to hear a voice, but definitely not Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

The beginning, maybe the first couple of sentences.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no. There's two pages that opens it up and that's signed by him. That's his introductory. This is now the strategy document. They placed hugely misguided, destructive bets on globalism and so called free trade that hollowed out the very middle class and industrial base on which American economic and military preeminence depend. They allowed allies. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

This sounds a little like Scott Besant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, that's possible. I think he's definitely in the mix. They allowed allies and partners to offload the cost of their defense onto the American people and sometimes to suck us into conflicts and controversies central to their interests. But peripheral or irrelevant to our own. So, you know, the whole thing is basically we really don't want any intervention or any business in these foreign wars. But that's not how it's being played in the news. This is Canada's global news outfit. They decided to make sure that you understand that this is all about America killing everybody. We're going to put gnat pops throughout the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump made it clear the United States foreign policy would change. On Friday, the White House unveiled its new national security strategy.

For decades, the US Was why, why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why do we have this? It's his strategy.

[Adam Curry]

Its new national security strategy.

For decades, the US was the hub in the wheel of international security and trade. The new strategy says the days of the US propping up the entire world order like Atlas are over. That the affairs of other countries are US concerns only if their activities directly threaten American interests. And the US will enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore its preeminence in the Western hemisphere.

[News Reporter]

A really popular line of argumentation is that the administration wants to go back to a more 19th century style of diplomacy with spheres of influence.

[Adam Curry]

President James Monroe's 1823 policy is receiving an update state focusing on immigration and alleged narco terrorism.

French President Emmanuel Macron says unity between the US and Europe on Ukraine is essential. A day earlier, a German publication leaked a transcript of a call where Macron told Germany's chancellor the US could betray Ukraine. Macron denied, saying that the new US strategy states it wants the Ukraine Russia war to quickly end. This document makes it pretty clear that there will be no security guarantee. NATO watcher Andreas says the new strategy puts allies at risk. They're much more likely to get involved in conflict because competitive powers are going to take advantage. It looks like allies will have to adapt. Aware the US focus on security could invite more instability.

[John C. Dvorak]

War's coming. Trump's to blame.

What I'd like.

[Adam Curry]

I would like to mention something just as an aside.

James Monroe, who made the Monroe Doctrine, was portrayed by. Which is a funny way of you saying it, by Gilbert Stewart. And he is an oil painting. And it's in. And I saw this painting at the National Gallery and. And Stuart was able to capture probably.

I don't know. This guy was so talented as an artist. He had the ability to really. You looked at the person, you swore you were looking at the guy.

And James Monroe, the picture of James Monroe by Gilbert Stewart. James Monroe is an obvious prick. A real asshole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just by looking at him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it came through the painting. It was obvious that Stuart was painting it as such. And when you look at James Monroe, this guy was a prick. And it's so anyone who's ever seen this painting would agree with me. I guarantee it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We all know those kinds of people. You look at him at a party, you go like you're a prick.

[Adam Curry]

The guy's a prick. And James Monroe had to be a big prick. And you know he's with the Monroe Doctrine. I can see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

What is. If you were to summarize the Monroe Doctrine, what would you say?

[Adam Curry]

We have preeminence over all the affairs of the entire hemisphere. The entire western hemisphere is ours.

That's basically it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is. That's pretty much in the document. It does not, doesn't say it's ours, but it does.

[Adam Curry]

But what I like about it's ours. It's ours. At least influentially and for all practical purposes, it's ours. And people can't mess around in this area without permission.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get off my turf. Exactly. What I like about this document is first of all, it's very readable. Everybody should grab a copy. It's on the whitehouse.gov website. It's very readable. The second section. What should the United States want? What do we want overall? Well, that's. If you were to say. If you were to answer that question, what would you say?

What do you want?

[Adam Curry]

We want to be left alone.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty much what it says. First and foremost, we want the continued survival and safety of the United States as an independent sovereign republic whose government secures the God given natural rights of its citizens citizens and prioritizes their well being and interests. We want to protect this country, its people, its territory, its economy and its way of life from military attack and hostile foreign influence. Britain.

Summarizing. We want full control over our borders. We want a resilient national infrastructure that can withstand natural disasters, resist and thwart foreign threats. We want to recruit, train, equip and field the world's most powerful, lethal and technologically advanced military to protect our interests, deter wars and if necessary, win them quickly and decisively. We want the world's most robust, credible and modern nuclear deterrent, plus next generation missile defenses, including a golden dome for the American homeland. And we want the world's strongest, most dynamic, most innovative and most advanced economy. We want the world's most. I'm skipping over parts. We want the world's most robust industrial base so we can meet peacetime and wartime production demands. Cultivating American industrial strength, highest priority and national economic policy. Robust, productive, innovative energy sector. Want to remain the world's most scientifically and technologically advanced and innovative country, protect our intellectual property from foreign theft. We want to maintain our unrivaled soft power. This is interesting. Which we exercise positive influence throughout the world. That furthers our interests. We will be unapologetic about our country's past and present, while respectful of other countries, different differing religions, cultures and governing systems. It's very clear in this document. It's like, hey, everybody should just be what they want to be. You do you and we'll do us, and we're not. And for sure there's no. We're going to go spread democracy. There's none of that.

[Adam Curry]

That's gotta end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finally, we want the restoration and reinvigoration of American spiritual and cultural health.

We want an America that cherishes its past glories and its heroes and looks forward to a new golden age with the golden dome. We want people who are proud, happy and optimistic. Well, that's not the troll room. We want a gainfully employed citizenry with no one sitting on the sidelines. But none of this can be accomplished without growing numbers of traditional families that raise healthy children. You really can't argue with this document, but yes. What do we want from the world? We want to ensure that the Western hemisphere remains reasonably stable and well governed enough to prevent and discourage mass migration to the United States. So it's all about the Western Hemisphere.

Let me see. I highlighted everything, but really don't need to go through all of this. It. But it really is production. We want a strong middle class. The soft power comes back returning economic freedom to our citizens by historic tax cuts, deregulatory efforts, making the United States the premier place to do business, investing in emerging technologies and basic science. Science, science. Let's see. Oh, yeah, the strategy. President Trump's foreign policy is pragmatic without being pragmatist.

Pragmatic without being pragmatist. What does that even mean? Can you decipher that?

[Adam Curry]

I. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it goes on. Realistic without being realist, principled without being idealistic, muscular without being hawkish and restrained without being dovish.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, somebody got cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's chatgpt.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not chatgpt. That's somebody that whoever's the poet or considers themselves to be a poet, and there's one of them in the. In the. In the cabinet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's that?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know, but I guarantee there's always one. You take 10 people, one of them is always a poet.

[John C. Dvorak]

I bet you is. Miller. Stephen Miller's. Probably a closet poet.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's, you know, that's a good. Out of the blue. Out of the blue guess. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not bad.

[Adam Curry]

Stephen Miller with the Tick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here it is. It is. This kind of gives it away. It is not grounded in traditional political ideology. It is motivated above all by what works for America. Or in two words, America first.

Do you get it? We're America first people. Tucker. We're America first. Candace. We're America first. What's the, what's the weenie boy's name?

[Adam Curry]

Fuentes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fuentes. We're America first.

[Adam Curry]

Fuentes has got the hats. He's got the blue hats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he's got the hats. Fairness pro American worker Era of mass migration is over. These are just the bullet points. Protection of core rights and liberties, burden sharing and burden shifting. This is the NATO stuff. President Trump has set a new global standard with the Hague commitment which pledges NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP. We already got that. That the model will be targeted partnerships that use economic tools to align incentives, share burdens and like minded allies and insist on reforms that anchor long term stability.

Balance trade, securing access to critical supply chains.

[Adam Curry]

Is that in the document?

[John C. Dvorak]

It says raspberry here. Reviving our defense industrial base energy dominance, Western hemisphere. The Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine. Corollary?

What is corollary?

[Adam Curry]

It means it's a policy that runs parallel.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they could have said parallel.

[Adam Curry]

Well, no, it wouldn't work in that sense. And it's a nice word.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will deny non hemispheric competitors the ability to position forces or other threatening capabilities or to own or control strategically vital assets in our our hemisphere. You're right. Don't mess with the West.

Our goals for the western hemisphere can be summarized as enlist and expand. We will enlist established friends. You hear that Britain? You could be enlisted right now. You're on the outs in the hemisphere to control migration, stop drug flows and strengthen stability and security on land and sea.

Let's see. We'll must reconsider. Oh, we must reconsider our military presence. Yes, A readjustment of our global military presence. It's all going towards the South China Sea. Europe, you can go pound sand if you can't figure out Russia. We're moving out.

Okay, see what else?

[Adam Curry]

It's not easy. Easier said than done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Possibly.

So they definitely want to work with China.

But it has to be fair. Fair and balanced.

Let me see, what else do we have? There's a lot of blah blah, blah in here. Failed conventional. Oh yeah. A Favorable conventional military balance reminds an essential component of strategic competition. There is rightly much focus on Taiwan, partly because of Taiwan's dominance of semiconductor production, but mostly mostly because Taiwan provides direct access to the second island chain and splits Northeast and Southeast Asia into two distinct theaters. Finally, someone's just said it straight up. That's what it's about. Given the one third of global shipping passes through the South China Sea, this has major implications for the US Economy. Hence a deterring conflict over Taiwan. Ideally by preserving military overmatch is priority. We will also maintain a long standing declaratory policy on Taiwan meeting, meaning the United States does not support any unilateral change to the status quo in the Taiwan Strait. It's never been about Taiwan. It's about the shipping lanes. And that's why we're spending a lot of money on ships. Big, beautiful ships. It's the first.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's a little bit about Taiwan because that tms, that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, those guys are. That's a valuable asset, yes, but the.

[John C. Dvorak]

First island chain, that's really what. We will harden and strengthen our military presence in the Western Pacific. While in our dealings with Taiwan and Australia, we maintain our determined rhetoric on increased defense spending, which means we're not giving you anything. It's just rhetoric. That's funny. Then it goes into Europe. Europe, you suck. Without us, you're lost. Stop letting immigrants in Ukraine. Horrible idea. The administration finds itself at odds with European officials who hold unrealistic expectations for the war. Perched in unstable minority governments, many of which trample on basic principles of democracy to oppress opposition. It really is. If anyone else had written it up, if Fuentes had written up this document, I'd vote for him as President. It truly is an America first document. It's good and it's a very easy read. Let's hear how CBS took this.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. The President now says he's concerned about, quote, civilizational erasure in Europe. In Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't think he's concerned. He's predicting it in the document. He's not saying, gee, I'm really worried. Worried about that. Said, no, if you guys don't shape up, you're going to be done in 20 years.

[Adam Curry]

He made the claim in a document titled National Security Strategy of the United States of America. The President added, should present trends continue, the continent, meaning Europe will be unrecognizable in 20 years or less. As such, it is far from obvious whether certain European countries will have economies and military strong enough to remain reliable allies. So what was the impetus for this. And what do we know about what some are saying in reaction to this story, including maybe what we've heard from our European allies.

[News Reporter]

Yeah. Good morning, Vlad. Well, to start, this is a document that the president typically puts out during the first year of a term outlining the administration's national security priorities. But if you read the document and you just read from it portion of it, you might remember that speech that the President gave back in September before the UN General Assembly. It sounds. Some of the information language in this document sound a lot like that in criticizing European countries for migration policies. It also accuses the European Union and other transnational bodies of undermining political liberty and sovereignty. And the document goes on to say that the U.S. goal should be to help Europe correct its current trajectory. Now, the BBC reports that European politicians have already begun to react to this, with Germany's foreign minister saying his country.

[Adam Curry]

Does not need outside advice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so let's listen to the report from the European Union. Reacting to this document.

[News Reporter]

European leaders are choosing calm over confrontation. Even as the US Strategy paper delivers one of the sharpest critiques of the EU in years. Most officials seem intent on keeping tensions with Washington contained. The bloc's top diplomat even downplaying some of the criticism. Europe has been underestimating its own power towards Russia, for example. I mean, we should be more self confident, that's for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you know this, by the way, was the Doha conference, which just popped up out of the blue. Guess who was sitting second row in the Doha conference. Who? Tucker.

[Adam Curry]

Tuck Tucker was there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the Qatar Doha Conference.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, you know, there was a big one of the right wing talk show radio talk show hosts and I can't remember which one it was was going on and on and on about how Tucker. Oh, no, it was. I know who it was. Was. Yeah, Mark Levan. It was Mark Levan, ladies and gentlemen. And he went on and on and on and on because they have a feud. That Tucker was. His number one finance series are the Qataris and the whole Tucker News network or Tucker Carlson Network, whatever he calls it. Tucker's gold, his network of is all controlled by the Qatar who will control and Savage. Actually the way he went on and on about this was as if he was a little jealous at all this money's flying around from the Qataris. They'll throw it at anybody that wants it. Well, there's him. He refuses to take it. I refuse to take it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll take it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we'll take it. Hello? Yeah. Where's our Qatari money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's our Doha dough people?

[Adam Curry]

Where's our Doha do also them agencies. He's not pointing up recently so just.

[John C. Dvorak]

To say but, but there's no evidence of. And he in fact he says quite the opposite. He says that's ridiculous on his face. But I do find. But there is that he pops up there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's like, yeah, it makes more sense that he's sponsored by Qatar. I think there's the same, you know, the Amy Goodman show has got some Eastern, some Middle east money. I think it's Bihar, Bahrain's. I understand, I can't remember. But yeah, it makes sense that Qatar would be bought and paid for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tucker might be. But again no evidence.

[Adam Curry]

But no evidence. But there he is.

[News Reporter]

I mean we should be more self confident, that's for sure. And you know, us is still, still our biggest ally. And their. I read it as well that we are still the biggest ally. In Germany, the response was slightly firmer. The country's foreign minister making it clear he didn't need external input on policy.

[Adam Curry]

Of course our alliance is based on shared values. But I believe that issues such as freedom of expression or the organization of free societies here, at least in Germany.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do not belong in this context. The people who literally arrest you if you say something negative about a politician.

On Facebook. Oh yeah, okay. Nor do we believe that anyone needs.

[Adam Curry]

To give us advice on these matters.

[News Reporter]

But no prominent leaders have slammed Trump for the scathing 30.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have. No one has slammed him. What, what kind of reporting is that? No prominent leaders have slammed him.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of reporting is that?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what I just said.

[Adam Curry]

It's not reporting it.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's really bizarre to say it that way. No one has slammed him. This is France 24. Whether we believe that anyone needs to give us on these matters.

[News Reporter]

But no prominent leaders have slammed Trump for the scathing 33 page document that accuses European countries of a so called civilizational erasure. Preserving the transatlantic alliance appears to be top priority and most likely fear hitting back won't play in their favour. Analysts say the lack of outcry comes down to the fact that these criticisms aren't new. Vice President J.D. vance delivered a blistering attack on European governments in Munich earlier this year. Year their impacts will be tested as crucial elections loom across the continent.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the one thing that you might have caught in that, in that earlier clip is this leaked phone call between Zelensky and pretty much all the big muckety mucks of the EU Queen Ursula Macron.

Ruta was in there.

Mr. Peepers from Germany. All of these people are on the call with zelensky. Yeah, Peepers. Mr. Peepers. And I defy anyone find a report about this. I saw some vloggers and some YouTubers talking about it, but I could the own. So I went. You know what I do is go to YouTube and I say, leaked phone call. And you get a whole list of which the first 15 are AI only with words. Words on the screen. Stop hitting the drum.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry, I'm just emphasizing your points.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it sounds random. If you could emphasize them. Oh, by the way, Tina showed me these drumsticks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it's just drumsticks.

[Adam Curry]

But they're drumsticks that make noise.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And you can hit a cymbal and in the air. It'll hit a cymbal. I gotta get it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you can do it in the air. You don't have to hit any.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have to hit anything. No, you just like. Like, you know, I guess it has the position of the hi hat and the. And the snare. And then you can go over. You can hit the symbols.

[Adam Curry]

Where's the sign? But where's the sound come from?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, usb.

[Adam Curry]

Separate speakers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Usb. You plug. You plug it into something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, sounds like a. I want a pair.

[John C. Dvorak]

Me too.

[Adam Curry]

It's going to be on the show to annoy you.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be drumming the whole time. It'll be a drum. Drum battle. Okay. So had you heard about this call that got leaked?

[Adam Curry]

I sounds like Russia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, it's total tit for tat. Oh, you're going to release this call with. What was the one we had recently with Witkoff?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, the Witkoff call.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so it might. It might be us.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it could be. It could. Well, it's either us or Russia. I mean, who else does this?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the reason that I say it's us is because the networks wouldn't tell. Touch it. Us as in this was.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, they wouldn't touch Trump's guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

No one touched it. I couldn't find a single report. Times of India. That's all I got. And I'm pretty sure it's an AI voice to boot. But at least this is the story. French President Emmanuel Macron has reportedly raised alarm over Ukraine, warning that US President Donald Trump might be on the verge of betraying Kyiv. This comes from a leaked transcript of a private call between European leaders published by Der Spiegel. The call, held on Monday, included leaders such as Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz, Finnish President Alexander Stubbe, NATO Secretary General Mark Ruti, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and others. They discussed U. S led peace negotiations with both Kyiv and Moscow as tensions remain high, high in the ongoing war. According to Der Spiegel. Macron said there was a real risk that the US could make decisions on Ukraine's territory without clear security guarantees, warning of a great danger for Zelensky. Danger. Macron's office later clarified that he did not use the word betray, but the concerns over Ukraine's security were clear. German Chancellor Mertz also weighed in, reportedly telling the group that Zelensky must be extremely careful in the coming days. He appeared to be referring to US Envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, who had spent five hours in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin the day before. The two envoys are scheduled to meet Ukraine's lead negotiator Rustam Umarov in Miami on Thursday. Finland's President Stub agreed. Finland, Ukraine could not be left alone with these US Negotiators, a point echoed by NATO Secretary General Rute who stressed the need to protect Zelensky. The call came after the Trump administration circulated a 28 point peace plan reportedly drafted with input from Russia. Der Spiegel says the plan was criticized for being too favorable to Moscow, prompting updated talks in Geneva and a revised 19 point plan. Russia has not agreed to this plan and continues to demand that Ukraine give up large parts of its eastern territory, limit its military and hold new elections. The way I hear this, it's almost like let's say we have a hundred million dollar budget movie and it's not working out. Our main guy is our main actor. He's attached to the project. He's, he, you know, he's, it's not working out.

[Adam Curry]

And we see he's an alcoholic, so all cokehead.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so all of the producers, all of the producers get on the phone with him, say, man, hey, hey, we can't, hey, you can't go to that meeting alone. You can't go. No, we have to have people there. This whole thing, it's, they're just dripping in weakness and they just want continued war.

It's unconscionable what these people are doing.

[Adam Curry]

That's why I like the McGregor clips I played in the last show where he said, these guys are through when this war is over. Yeah, yeah, they're not popular. Germany's going to go AFD eventually. They have to. There's no question about the British and they are screwed over. They can't say anything on social media without getting thrown in jail. The French are completely out of, out of touch with everybody and out of control. And they're a bunch of communists, to be honest about it.

[John C. Dvorak]

At least they have nuclear power, I'll give them that. They still have that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, so do the Brits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they haven't started up a reactor and since the 60s, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're talking about power.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, no, I'm talking about nuclear power. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.

[Adam Curry]

And they haven't, they haven't freaked out and shut them all down like idiots. Final clip Although they've wanted to and I think there's been discussion about it in France.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Final CLIP in this series, this is.

Another salvo.

[News Reporter]

The message is clear. Washington wants Europe to shoulder more of its own defense. A Reuters report says the Pentagon told European diplomats that nations have until 2027 to take over most of NATO's defense capabilities. That's everything from intelligence to missiles and troop deployments, roles the US has dominated for decades. If they don't, the US could decide to stop participating in some NATO defense coordination mechanisms. The Trump administration's pressure on NATO allies is nothing new. In March, Trump had already questioned whether he'd defend countries that don't spend enough.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've said that to them. I said, if you're not going to pay, we're not going to defend. I said that seven years ago and because of that they paid hundreds of billions of dollars. I said, if you're not going to pay your bills, we're not going to defend you.

[News Reporter]

The Pentagon staff who set the deadline haven't laid out how the US would measure Europe's progress. But European officials say 2027 is unrealistic. Even the EU's own 2030 target for military self reliance is seen as ambitious. And many key US Capabilities can't be replaced quickly. Washington's relationship with NATO runs hot and cold. Back in June, Trump was applauding European leaders for backing a plan to raise China defense spending to 5% of GDP. But in the months since, he's shown a willingness to negotiate with Russia over the war in Ukraine. And his deputy secretary of state told NATO foreign ministers this week it was obvious Europe should take primary responsibility for its own security.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go, another salvo. Careful. We're going to pull out again.

[Adam Curry]

Well.

Yeah.

This is going to be up to Lockheed Martin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Lockheed Martin, you know, the money stops coming in and they have to rethink their.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lockheed just got their biggest missile defense contract ever.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good for Them.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's for the Golden Dome. Yeah, it is.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure they can find other ways to waste money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, did you know that Liz Truss we. We had her on the previous episode. Do you know that she has started a podcast?

[Adam Curry]

Oh God, yeah. Who hasn't?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's interesting because she is going against the Nexus and I'll have the promo.

[Adam Curry]

She probably should be because she got screwed.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what she says in her promo for the Liz truss show.

[News Reporter]

In 2022, I was deposed from the office of Prime Minister of Great Britain.

I tried to save our country from the doom loop it is now in. We set out a vision for a low tax, high growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit. I was blamed for a market crisis that was not my fault. The Deep State and their allies in the media and politics tried to to destroy me because I challenged their decades long failure. Now I'm back. I will expose the people who brought me down. I will take on the Deep State. I will tell the truth about what is happening in our country and across the West. Tune in to the Liz Truss show every Friday. Tune in to the Counter Revolution.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Counter Revolution. It starts here.

[Adam Curry]

I'll get a hold of Orlowski and find out what the deal is here. He'll know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you keep saying. You keep threatening to call him, but.

[Adam Curry]

You keep call him about once a year. I'll call him. This is too good to be. This is too good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's going to be great.

[Adam Curry]

He'll know exactly what's going on. He was a. I think I believe he was a trust.

Fan.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, she's welcome into the podverse.

Could be fine. She could be fine.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about the podverse, I've got a clip here that just for you specifically. It's a little sidestep here. This is a way for you to save face.

[John C. Dvorak]

Save face? In what way?

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you play this clip, you'll know what I'm talking about. And you will. And you will bring up the point that somebody keeps making with you. And here we go with the clip is mispronounce from npr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me guess, does this have anything to do with an Air Force base?

[Adam Curry]

Well, the clip doesn't. It's just a basic clip about mispronouncing words. Anyone who has been embarrassed about mispronouncing a word or word a name can rest assured that they're in good company. Newscasters, politicians and other public figures tripped over plenty of words this year. In fact, there's a list, thanks to the language teachers at Babbel and the people at the captioning group who add closed captions to screens. At the top of their list of the most mispronounced words is a very common painkiller. I said, well, let's see how we say that. As said, I'm menin aceto menophin. President Trump isn't alone in stumbling over all those mushy vowels. Watching us all get tripped up this year is Estean Toma, a linguist and cultural expert at Babel. And just a note, Babel is one of our sponsors. Welcome. And first, I mean, did I get your name right? Well, that sounds like the perfect pronunciation in Spanish, but I'll let you know. My last name is from Palestine, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

It'S actually pronounced Tuma.

[Adam Curry]

Tuma. Esteban. Tuma. Esteban, now it's your turn. Why don't you read the list for us? Well, I will start by telling you I'm not a native speaker of English myself, and so keep that in mind as I pronounce these words. And the disclaimer from me, Esteban, because English is also my second language.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we're in the same boat.

[Adam Curry]

You know, the struggle. You know how it feels. So we have a sera minifigure. Alec Murdoch, Densel Washington, Louvre Mounjaro, the Swedish Hollywood actor Alexander Skarsgard, and of course, Zoran Mandani. And Zoran Mamdani's name tripped people up all year long as he ran for mayor of New York City. And sometimes he got testy about it. The name is Mamdani. M A M D A N I.

[News Reporter]

You should learn how to say.

[Adam Curry]

Say it. It's hard to imagine, right, that we're going to collectively get Mamdani right next year. I mean, people still mispronounce Vladimir Putin all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Putin. Vladimir. Yes, Putin.

[Adam Curry]

Putin's my favorite.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's my not Minot. I got it, people, by the way. I have no qualms. I make mistakes all the time. And then people believe this.

[News Reporter]

You.

[Adam Curry]

Know what you got?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

I could hear that voice, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not everybody. Some were very kind about it, but no, but, yes.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't seen it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Some were kind about it, but some were like, I'm not donating anymore because.

[Adam Curry]

You can't pronounce Minot.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's all good. Yeah. It's my second language. What can I tell you?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

That'S pretty good. You're pretty good for a second language speaker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All right.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm waiting for you to pick up one of your stories here because you have to.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I got the immigration crackdown analysis, I got the South African shooting I kind of like. It's only two clips but I like it because it's thematic. There's a big shooting that took place in South Africa and the thematic part, I'll give it away right away. I'm not even going to make anybody guess. South Africa has the strictest gun control in the world. Police in South Africa are in fact investigating a mass shooting overnight at a shebeen, an illegal bar in a hostel in Saulsville, a township west of the capital Pretoria. In all, 25 people were shot. The fatalities included children. The BBC Southern Africa correspondent Shingai Nyoka described to me what happened, what police.

[News Reporter]

Say is that unidentified gunman, three of them, stormed into an illegal bar in a hostel just west of the capital pretoria at about 4:30am and opened fire, randomly shooting everybody that was in this illegal bar. 10 people died on the scene, one died in hospital earlier on and we've just been notified that a 12th person has died. So all in all a dozen people have died, 14 people were injured. But I think the tragedy is that amongst the fatalities There was a 3 year old, a 12 year old and a 16 year old. @ this point police say that they don't know what the motive might have been and they haven't identified the gunman or carried out any.

[Adam Curry]

Arrests. Do we know anything about the people who were living in the.

[News Reporter]

Hostel? No, but these hostels are colonial era built structures so they're typically single rooms, they that are overcrowded, squalid. A lot of people are people that are economically disadvantaged. It's not clear who exactly they were, whether they were South Africans or whether they were foreigners. But one eyewitness account said that around about 4:30 in the morning they just heard a volley of rounds that were fired and that the shooting went on for a long period of time. Time. And that the children had to scramble under the beds as they waited for all of this to.

[John C. Dvorak]

End.

Yeah, sounds pretty bad.

[Adam Curry]

Actually. Yeah, it's not covered very much by any of our media. Our media doesn't even cover this. It's noted that the mainstream media here has not even covered the Somali scandal in Minnesota. Billions of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dollars. Well that's scammed. That's not.

[Adam Curry]

True. I have, I have clips from abc, NBC or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cbs. Cbs, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Cbs. Well, let's play the second part of this clip and you can go to that. Yeah, I mean shocking for people in South Africa to hear this Although shootings in illegal bars are not unusual, I.

[News Reporter]

Gather. No. And the police had actually launched a crackdown on these shebeens. Between April and September this year, they shut down 12,000 and arrested 18,000 people across the country. But these are set up to help people make ends meet. And so as soon as they closed, they reopened again. And this is, as you say, is not the first shooting. In 2022, about 16 people were killed in Soweto. In a similar type mass shooting last year, 18 people, including 15 women, were shot in the Eastern Cape. It is really what a government official in South Africa has described as part of a broader crime.

[Adam Curry]

Emergency. And a broader crime emergency that involves a high murder rate in global.

[News Reporter]

Terms. Absolutely. South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world. On average, 60 people are killed every day. A lot of them are killed by illegal guns. Even though South Africa does have very strict, strict gun controls. It's something that the government has grappled with and as we're witnessing here today, has really failed to bring under.

[John C. Dvorak]

Control.

Well, that was some Africa news. We lost half the.

[Adam Curry]

Audience. Yeah, well, it was a lot of murder and violence. I think that would help keep.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them. No, no, no. By the way, I'm copying the troll room transcript. I'm gonna make a song out of it.

We need.

[Adam Curry]

That. Oh, you're going to use the AI to make a song from the transcript of the chat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Room? Yeah, it'll be unsuitable for air, but at least I'll have.

[Adam Curry]

It. Yeah, it will be suitable for our.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air. Regarding the Minnesota massive, massive fraud.

Margaret Brennan from CBS this Morning. Morning.

[Adam Curry]

In. Oh, I'm just saying that the news broadcast didn't carry it. Margaret Brennan doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Count. Well, she brought on Ilhan Omar to.

[Adam Curry]

Just. Oh, well, good. She can be the apologist for the whole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing. It's pretty.

[News Reporter]

Interesting. And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Welcome to the program. Thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get to with you, but I want to pick up on where the, the Treasury Secretary just left off. He alleged that people who were tied to you were your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Campaign. Hold on a second. I actually have that clip. Let's play Besant here talking about.

Talking about the Somalis.

[News Reporter]

Here. The President told you though this week to look into Somalis who quote, ripped off that state for billions of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dollars. Ripped them.

[News Reporter]

Off. He said they contribute nothing. What exactly are you.

[Adam Curry]

Investigating? Well, Margaret, to be clear, the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Initial fraud was discovered by the irs, for which I'm the acting Commissioner, is discovered by IRS Criminal Investigations.

[Adam Curry]

Unit. This was not an endogenous thing that the state of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minnesota. Endogenous. What did he say?

[Adam Curry]

Endogenous. That's what I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Heard. Indigenous, I think is what he means to.

[Adam Curry]

Say. But he says, well, I don't know. Is there a word such as.

[John C. Dvorak]

Endogenous? Well, look it up. Criminal Investigations.

[Adam Curry]

Unit. This was not an endogenous. Endogenous thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to go in and clean up the mess for them. And this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of money has been transferred from the individuals who committed this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fraud, including those who donated to the government. Governor donated to represent Omar and donated to AG Ellison. But they've been transferred to something called MBS's. The. And those are mortgage backed.

[News Reporter]

Security.

Sorry, transferred to.

[Adam Curry]

What? These are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money. The bureau.

[Adam Curry]

Services. And they are wire transfer organizations.

[John C. Dvorak]

That are outside the regulated banking system. And that money has gone overseas.

[Adam Curry]

And we are tracking that both to the Middle east and Somalia to see.

[John C. Dvorak]

What the uses of that have.

[News Reporter]

Been. Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being used to fuel terrorism at this point, which is what some conservative writers are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alleging. That's why it's an moving the goalposts. Margaret Brennan. But, but, but it's not going to terrorists, right? They stole it from the American taxpayer. Oh, but it's not going to terrorists, is it? By the way, I think he said endogenous. Endogenous refers to something that originates or is produced from within a system, organism or entity, rather than being introduced from an external source.

[Adam Curry]

Source. So endogenous, which is similar to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indigenous.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So, Bessie, what's the difference between those two words.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then? Well, indigenous is a peoples and endogenous is a thing.

[News Reporter]

Institutions. Yeah, but you have no evidence of that.

[Adam Curry]

Money. I've never. You know what? I've never heard that word in my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Life. Scott Besant is a. Maybe he's the.

[Adam Curry]

Poet. That's what I'm. Well, man, there you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. Yeah, he could be the poet.

[News Reporter]

Being used to fuel terrorism at this point, which is what some conservative rioters are.

[John C. Dvorak]

Alleging. That's why it's an.

[Adam Curry]

Investigation. We started it last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Week. We'll see where it goes. But I can tell you that, you know, it's terrible. You know, Representative Omar tried to downplay it, said, oh, it was very. The, you know, it was very tough to know how.

[Adam Curry]

To. How this money should. Hold on a second. Is this guy a nervous wreck over this issue or what? He does not sound himself. He. Well, whenever he joking because Margaret's So powerful.

[John C. Dvorak]

Woman.

Yes, yes, that's the issue. You know, she was gaslighting the American.

[News Reporter]

People. We'll talk to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her. Yeah. You know, when you come to.

[Adam Curry]

This country, you got to learn which side road to drive.

[John C. Dvorak]

On. You got to learn to stop.

[Adam Curry]

At stop signs and you got to learn not to defraud the American.

[John C. Dvorak]

People. Welcome to America. Welcome to America. This sign means stop. This is a red light. Means stop. And don't steal from us. Welcome to America. Okay, now we go to Ilhan.

[News Reporter]

Omar. And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Welcome to the program. Thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get to with you, but I to want to pick up on where the Treasury Secretary just left.

[Adam Curry]

Off. Can you start that over? Can you start to clip over? Because she said, thank you, my good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Friend. Oh, did she say.

[Adam Curry]

That? I don't know. That's what I wanted to hear it.

[News Reporter]

Again. Ilhan Omar, welcome to the program. Thank you, my good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Friend. No, thank you, Margaret. Thank you.

[News Reporter]

Margaret. We have a lot to get to with you, but I want to pick up on where the Treasury Secretary just left off. He alleged that people who were tied to you or your campaign were involved in this brief, broad, brazen scheme to rip off the Minnesota state welfare system. Do you want to respond to that? Do you know what he is referring to? I really don't. And I don't think the Secretary himself understands what he's referring to. We obviously had people who were able to donate to our campaign that were involved. We send that money back a couple years ago. And actually I was one of the first members of Congress to send a letter to the Secretary of AG asking them to look into what I thought was a reprehensible fraud that was occurring within the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Program. Yeah. So we got busted and I sent the money back. Should be done. This was all stop it. Besson Bessant knows more. Besson is very involved in all these things. Let's see how this.

[News Reporter]

Continues. So this was just for our audience. The binary Justice Department called it the largest copay fraud scheme in the country. And this was pocketing Covid era welfare funds. More than a billion dollars in taxpayer money that was stolen. It was pretty, Pretty shocking, shocking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which we knew about this. Everybody knew about this. The Potter Sphere knew about this. This was during Biden. We were talking about it. Nothing happened. So now things are happening. That's kind of.

[News Reporter]

Good. Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent. Garbage has added to the spotlight. Put specifically on your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Community.

[News Reporter]

Community. Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Widespread? Because I allowed it.

[News Reporter]

To. Well, I want to say, you know, this also.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has. Oh, oh, oh. Let's not answer the.

[Adam Curry]

Question. Let's hear the question. That's a good. Step.

[John C. Dvorak]

Aside. Let's hear the question.

[News Reporter]

Again. Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread? Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers in Minnesota. We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen. And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're, you know, we're also, as. As Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Occurred. We're victims. What are you talking about, Margaret? We're the victim here. You're getting it all wrong in this brazen.

[News Reporter]

Scheme. So do you think, though, that there was a failure by the.

[Adam Curry]

Democratic. Hold on a second. Again. So she. What you just said would have been. She could have actually pulled that off by saying we're being tarnished by a few bad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Apples.

[Adam Curry]

No. There are over 100,000 Somalians. We got 80 people. So what is this, a spit in the bucket? And who are these other eight people that weren't Somalians? You're making us look bad. I mean, she could have gone that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way. She didn't. She.

[Adam Curry]

Didn'T. No, she didn't. She's not that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bright.

[News Reporter]

No. So do you think, though, that there was a failure by the Democrats. Democratic state government to police itself? This is a brazen fraudulent activity here. Yeah. And that is what I alluded to in my letter that I'd sent to the Secretary of AG was to see where.

[John C. Dvorak]

Things. Who is this Secretary of.

[Adam Curry]

Egg? This is. Secretary of Egg. Is a chicken farmer lives in the middle of nowhere in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Minnesota. I think it's a show title. Secretary of Egg, all.

[News Reporter]

Right. Was to see where things were going wrong. How can this amount of money disappear fraudulently without there being alarms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Being. Oh, it's. It's your fault for not noticing it. Oh.

[News Reporter]

Okay. And it is something that, you know, we have to continue to investigate. We have to continue to ask those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Questions. Yes, we have to. She's. I have to say, I give her an 8. An 8 plus maybe even on how she's. She's dealing with this. Hey, you should have caught this. This is not our.

[News Reporter]

Fault. Because, as you know, one of the initial defenses by the organization at the heart of the fraud feeding our future was to claim the probe was due to racism. Do you think that this was all about negligence or that it was like political fear of alienating the Somali community? Trump, you have to remember that the women who let the pro program is a Caucasian woman. That was a way of making sure that this would continue to happen by using whatever rhetoric that was available to her. We do know that when the money was stopped, they did sue the ag. Attorney General Keith Ellison defended the department in that lawsuit. It was a judge that said it should continue, that money should continue to go out. And so this wasn't something that people were not looking at. There was always those, those alarms. And we will continue to understand where things might have gone wrong as these investigations continue and as these fraudsters are prosecuted and sent to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jail. And then the final clip, which has some nice laugh tales in it.

[News Reporter]

It'S going to have impact for your community because you've already heard that the head of Medicare, Medicaid say they're going to have a new policy that applies to Minnesota. You heard the Treasury Secretary say they're investigating. But there's another thread here because House Republicans and the Treasury Secretary just now talked about a link to terrorism, a possible link. He said they're just now beginning to look into it. How confident are you that that's a false claim?

I'm pretty confident at the moment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because.

I'm pretty.

[News Reporter]

Confident. I'm pretty confident at the moment because there are people who have been prosecuted and who have been sentenced. If there was a linkage in the money that they had stolen going to terrorism, then that is a failure of the FBI and our court system in not figuring that out and basically charging them with these charges. And so I do know that for many years this sort of like alarm that there is money being transferred through the airport in bags and going to terrorism. That accusation has always existed, that it's never been here and there in those.

[John C. Dvorak]

Accusations. Never been here and.

[News Reporter]

There. But if that means the case, if money from US Tax dollars dollars is being sent to help with terrorism in Somalia, we want to know and we want those people prosecuted and we want to make sure that that doesn't ever happen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Again. Again. Yeah, we'll see. I think she's a bit on the ropes. She comes across very confidently, though. She does that pretty.

[Adam Curry]

Well.

Yeah, it's her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Style.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

Well, there's another big thing going on. The big deal. I think this probably top of the top of the news is the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hepatitis B. Ah, can I, can I set it up with a, with a positioning clip.

[Adam Curry]

Here? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Absolutely. Okay, hold on a second. Yes, this, this is a big deal.

Hold on a second. I have.

Two. Yeah, two. We start with the. Yeah, this is the. Actually, because they had the hearing and the, you know, the talking to people on Capitol Hill. I'll start with this clip. This is Aaron Seri, he's a lawyer who testified initially this was about. Or this also involves the 1986 immunity clause for pharmaceutical companies. So they cannot get sued if their product hurts you or kills.

[Adam Curry]

You. Right. Coincidentally, that's 1986 is when the hepatitis V vaccine got. When it was invented, it was from 81, I believe. But in 86, when they started pushing it out there, I went to see my doctor about it back in the day and he said, and if he looks at me, he says, why? Why do you want this vaccine? Are you working with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blood? Blood.

Here's the.

[Adam Curry]

Lawyer. Why do we need the 1986.

[John C. Dvorak]

Act if vaccines are so safe.

[Adam Curry]

Too? Why does a product need immunity if it doesn't cause.

[John C. Dvorak]

Harm? And why does products that have.

[Adam Curry]

Been on the market for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decades. Why do products that have been on the market for decades, like the.

[Adam Curry]

Hepatitis B vaccine, still need that immunity? Do we still not know they're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Safe enough to lift the immunity on those.

[Adam Curry]

Products? Look, drug products that have very limited, limited markets, tiny markets that are given to very few people, that have really bad adverse event profiles, can still be sold.

[John C. Dvorak]

Profitably. Why? Pharma companies typically need to do two things. Number one, they need to make.

[Adam Curry]

The product the safest, technologically feasible. And by doing so, they avoid design defect claims, which is the primary way you hold a company accountable for harms from their product. The type of claim you can never bring for our child. The second way is they disclose.

[John C. Dvorak]

The risks that product can cause and.

[Adam Curry]

Hence they avoid failure to warrant.

[John C. Dvorak]

Claims. Those are the two primary claims that would be levied against a pharmaceutical.

[Adam Curry]

Company. I do not understand. Well, I shouldn't say that it's not true. There's probably a reason that this immunity still needs to continue for these products. And pretending that they. That reason doesn't exist is not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Going to make the problem any.

[Adam Curry]

Better. And it's not going to safeguard the kids that are injured by these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Products. And that's. It's really so simple. It's almost as simple as why do I need to stay away from you? If you've been vaccinated against Covid, aren't you protected, safe and effective? Well, if it's safe and effective, why don't you stand by your product? It's very simple what he's saying. Here's ABC to lead into your.

[News Reporter]

Analysis. Clips today, a major reversal from the cdc. An advisory committee voting to no longer recommend the hedge hepatitis B vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

For newborns of moms that test.

[News Reporter]

Negative. The reversal putting an end to a recommendation that has been in place for over 30.

[Adam Curry]

Years. It was voted on by a.

[News Reporter]

Panel put in place by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Who has long pushed vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

Conspiracies. Sad that there are people on this committee who didn't bring up any of the real world.

[News Reporter]

Benefits. Former CDC Chief of vaccines Dimitri Daskalakis resigned from the committee earlier this.

[Adam Curry]

Year. I think that what you're seeing is I ideology supplanting science, conspiracy supplanting.

[News Reporter]

Process. He slammed the move, saying it will create.

[Adam Curry]

Confusion. Access remains the same but creates doubt confusion and will result in more children getting hepatitis B and ultimately then getting chronic hepatitis B. 90% of them will if they're.

[News Reporter]

Infected and 25 of them will die early. Senator Bill Cassidy, who voted to confirm Kennedy also rebuked nuking the decision, writing as a liver doctor who has treated patients with hepatitis B for decades, this change to the vaccine schedule is a mistake. The hepatitis B vaccine is safe and effective. The birth dose is a recommendation, not a mandate. Acting CDC Director Jim o' Neill is expected to sign off on the.

[Adam Curry]

Recommendation which should not affect insurance coverage of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shot. But the recommendation now says vaccine.

[News Reporter]

Decisions should be made in consultation with a doctor, mainly if the mother mother tests negative, who can then decide when or if to vaccinate their child for the highly infectious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disease. So what has.

[Adam Curry]

Changed?

What's changed is instead of demanding or just putting it on a schedule and you have to take.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Apparently not true. Apparently not.

[Adam Curry]

True. Well, I know, but that's the image that you have. Yes, yes, it's on the schedule. You take, you get the shot. Isn't there no questions asked? Asked to. They've changed that to well, what do you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Think? Ask a.

[Adam Curry]

Question. What do you think the doctor co I think you should get.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Oh yeah, absolutely.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Because I get a piece of the action. I need the extra.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money. You're not going to listen to an anti vaxxer, are you? He's been spreading conspiracies about vaccines for decades. You're not going to listen to him. You want to listen to him or you're a.

[Adam Curry]

Doctor. So there's the same kind of reporting only the NPR did. They did it made it longer and they brought in a bunch of people to bitch and bought own. But the question on my mind, which is the other three clips I've got here are from the BBC. What is the BBC World Service concentrating on this for? Because it's obviously part of a world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing. Well, this hepatitis B vaccine isn't from British pharmaceutical company.

This one.

[Adam Curry]

Guy. It's attributed to one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Person. No, but I mean, who manufactures.

[Adam Curry]

It? Well, I don't know. I'd have to look. Why don't you look it up? The vax hep B horror to the United States now, where President Trump has ordered officials to review all childhood vaccination recommendations. The committee which advises the health Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Was reconstituted in the summer. Critics have accused Mr. Kennedy, who has a record of vaccine skepticism, of removing scientists who disagree. He insists he's just trying to challenge groupthink in public health.

[John C. Dvorak]

Policy. I love the. Has a record. He has a record of vaccine skeptics skepticism. Makes it sound like, you know, he's been arrested for it or something. He's got.

[Adam Curry]

A. That's a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Boy.

[Adam Curry]

Record. Yeah. The advisory committee has now recommended that newborns should no longer be vaccinated against hepatitis B. It should be a matter of choice for individual parents. Well, Jason Schwartz is associate professor of health policy at the Yale School of Public Health and an expert on vaccination. Professor Schwartz, thank you for being with us on NewsHour. Let's start with, with this recommendation, what does it actually amount to? Hold on a second. Again, notice the way he, if you back it up just a little bit, notice the way he says recommendation with unbelievable British disdain on you, sir. Let's start with this recommendation. Recommendation, what does it actually amount to? What difference does it potentially make to the approach that's been recommended thus far? It's great to be with you. These, these recommendations that come from this advisory committee have set the standard for how vaccines have been used in the United states for the 60 years that this committee has been in effect. So it really shapes the ways in which physicians and other healthcare providers and most importantly, parents, think about how to use vaccines. So now that we're seeing in this newly constituted committee, a retreat really from the traditional ways of in which parents have been advised to actively receive vaccines to a more decide for yourselves in conversation with your provider sort of mindset, most recently with hepatitis B creates a lot of confusion, creates a lot of uncertainty. And that means that fewer kids are going to get vaccinated against hepatitis B at birth, contrary to how we've been using this vaccine in the United states for over 30.

[John C. Dvorak]

Years. Yeah, it's not going to happen. Yeah. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Oh my God. The parents are going to actually have some input.

They're going to. It's going to. It's too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Confusing. They're.

[Adam Curry]

Dumb. They're dumb. We have a bunch of dummies out there and then we just have to tell them what to do. We can't let them even make a decision to deny anything. Okay, part two. They're still recommending it's used though, for high risk. Is that something it's simple to determine or not. There are some populations that are at higher risk of hepatitis B, especially in the newborn population, most notably if the child's mother is a chronic carrier of the virus. But hepatitis experts have noted that there are lots of ways in which this virus can be transmitted in the first few years of life. And the idea of using this time tested, safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe, safe and effective. And effective vaccine at the earliest opportunity. Opportunity provides the, the, the best protection against those exposures. That can be something that a child could suffer with both immediately and for the rest of their lives. So it's not as easy as it sounds. Despite thinking about this high risk idea as an alternative. Is this an illustration of the debates between individual freedom and, and the desire for. And it never sounds very attractive when you say it like this, but we know what it means. Herd immunity. In other words, the more people get vaccinated, the less the risk to everybody is a whole. On the one hand that it is. But it's always worth remembering that while much of the United States debate around vaccines relates to the mandates that exist often at the school level and are controlled by states, that's not what's being discussed here. These are only recommendations. Now, they're influential recommendations, to be sure, but they're just recommendations for the best practices, for what the evidence suggests, for how the hepatitis B vaccine and increasingly other vaccines could be, be used. But I think you're right that even that idea of the federal public health infrastructure trying to actively encourage parents and healthcare providers to use vaccines, even that has been tied up in this broader debate about individual rights and parental freedom and these broader anxieties around vaccine safety that are so pervasive in our federal health administration, so pervasive, it's just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Horrible. We're talking about safety, I.

[Adam Curry]

Believe. Yes. And they should just get rid of that liability thing. That would take care of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Issues. Well, that's what this is ultimately about, of.

[Adam Curry]

Course. Well, let's hope so. But the point is that the code word Safe and effective. I believe after hearing it from this guy on the BBC, that is a code. I almost can be convinced that somebody gets a check in the mail for $1,000 for saying the words safe and effective in regards to any vaccine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatsoever. So the FDA in the United States has appro a couple of different hepatitis B vaccines, Angerx B and Twinrix. Twinrix is hepatitis A and hepatitis B recombinant. Both of they, both of those. And the runners up are produced by GlaxoSmithKline, a fine British company. So that would kind of explain.

[Adam Curry]

This. That would explain why the BBC gives a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shit.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And we've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

About.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry?

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing. Oh, I thought you said.

[Adam Curry]

Something. We've got about 45 seconds or so left on this topic. And I just want to ask you one quick last thought. Might this help to do something to rebuild confidence and trust among those who have become skeptical as a result of what happened in the pandemic? Yeah, I'm concerned. I think that's certainly the, the argument that's being made by these health officials for how they're reframing our vaccine policy really wholesale. But I think what it's doing is creating even more confusion, more uncertainty, more lack of clarity regarding who can be trusted from public health officials, public health agencies, healthcare providers. And ultimately that doesn't serve public health well. It doesn't serve kids well who need to be vaccinated. So I think there's a lot of uncertainty ahead and I think it's only going to get worse, unfortunately, with our vaccine here in the U.S. that's Jason Schwartz, associate Professor of Public of Health. I'm going to start.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. What is.

[Adam Curry]

He? Associate professor of Health Policy at the Yale School of Public Health. Jason, thanks so much for joining us today. I don't know where you are, buddy, but there you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are. So I have from this morning, I have our buddy Scott Gottlieb, industry.

[Adam Curry]

Insider. Oh, that guy's still in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Air. They bring him back. You know, he is a correspondent for cbs, I.

[Adam Curry]

Believe. Well, before you play it, let me just get these NPR clips. But I'm not gonna play them because I think the CBS clip you played was good enough. But I do have this short 22 second WTF clip which is part of the series of the NPR is talking about pretty much what the BBC did. But this little snippet here I put aside. And what's been the reaction to this change? Most public health experts are horrified, horrified, horrified, horrified, horrified. Frankly. They say there's overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is safe for newborns. And babies can catch the. The virus even if their mothers aren't infected. Here's Dr. Joseph Hiblin, another member of the committee who voted against the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Change. Oh, you can catch it. You can catch it just like.

[Adam Curry]

That. Well, I didn't have to play anymore because this guy. They brought a guy in who bitched and moaned about this decision, but he's on the committee now. This is after everybody moans and groans that Kennedy stacked the committee. Well, how come they have a naysayer on the committee if that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

True?

I'm flummoxed. Hello, I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Flummoxed. You should be Flemish. Because the whole thing flies in the face of the basic thesis that Kennedy stacked.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. Stacked the deck with the conspiracy.

[Adam Curry]

Theorists, the anti vaxx nut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Cases. That's.

[Adam Curry]

Right. But there's this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy.

Okay, let's bring in Scott Godlieb. He was on with.

[News Reporter]

Margaret. We're joined now by former FDA Commissioner Commissioner Dr. Scott.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gottlieb.

[News Reporter]

Doctor. He also serves on the boards of Pfizer and United Healthcare. Welcome.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. Oh, United Healthcare. There's a target on his.

[Adam Curry]

Back. New.

[John C. Dvorak]

Gig. Yeah. Target on your.

[Adam Curry]

Back. Wow, thank.

[News Reporter]

You. You know, there was some pretty big news on Friday and the American Academy of Pediatrics said they are deeply alarmed that the CDC's vaccine advisory panel, ACIP voted in this 8, 3.

[John C. Dvorak]

Decision. Also, there were three. Three against. Not.

[Adam Curry]

Just. Yeah, there's three of these.

[News Reporter]

Guys. All right, change this 30 year long policy regarding hepatitis B and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newborns. I like the emphasis on 30 years. This has been going. This has been great for years. I think the American people here, wow, this could have been going on for 30 years. They just can't. They can't get away from their overlords and.

[News Reporter]

Pharma. They are now recommending ending, delaying the dose until A child is 2 months old instead of within 24 hours of birth. What does this decision mean for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Families? Holy crap. That's what this is about? A two month.

[Adam Curry]

Delay?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Is that the whole recommendation or.

[Adam Curry]

Is that just pretty much. Yeah, no, it's part. It's part of the whole consultation is also part of it.

You don't want to do consulting, you know, you don't want to tell the parents their options. Hell with that. Just tell them what to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. No, let's not do.

[Adam Curry]

That. I think we first need to understand why we give that birth dose of the vaccine. Because the idea of giving a vaccine to a newborn to a lot of parents sounds discomforting. That the first thing a child's going to face when they're born is going to be a vaccine within the first 24 hours for a child over the age of five. If they develop hepatitis B infection, if they're exposed to it, they're going to have a 90%, 75% chance of clearing that infection, and they'll go on to develop lifelong immunity for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Children.

[Adam Curry]

What?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? What? So if you develop it, if you're five and you got hepatitis B, you'll be okay and you'll have lifelong immunity.

This is.

[Adam Curry]

Nuts. Wait, who's paying this guy? That doesn't sound like part of the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Script. Well, maybe he's got some. Some agenda. I was feeling. Find.

[Adam Curry]

Out. For children between the ages of 1 and 5, they only have about a 25 to 50% chance of clearing the infection. So about 25 to 50% of kids will develop chronic infection, and about a quarter of them will go on to die from hepatitis B if they're between the ages of one and stop.

So if you don't. If you don't make it to five, you're dead. And you get it. This is bull crap. This makes no logical.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sense. Well, it's the same thing the guy in the BBC said. He said 25% will die. Will.

[Adam Curry]

Die. Yeah, I know, but I didn't know about the five. If you're five years or whatever, by the time you get to five, if you get it, you're good to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go.

Because I think what. Bess. Bessant. What Gottlieb is doing here. Same.

[Adam Curry]

Guy. Same.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy. I don't think he's here to defend the hepatitis B. He's here for other reasons. In fact, I'll jump straight to the next clip. This is really about the advisory committee because he is in the vaccine game. He. He's on the board of Pfizer. So this is not. It's like, all right, it's those guys today, but it could be us.

[News Reporter]

Tomorrow. And this decision now is to wait two months before giving that.

[Adam Curry]

Dose.

[News Reporter]

Right. The President United States came out and said this was very good because hep B is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Only. I'm sorry, I want to play this.

[News Reporter]

One. We look at this because the. There is this broader scrutiny of vaccines right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now. So literally, she's saying it. Scott, you're here because we're looking at this in the broader scope of policy that may affect your products. That's what this is about. It's not about him talking. No one cares about hepatitis B. They're worried their drug is.

[News Reporter]

Next. We look at this because There is this broader scrutiny of vaccines right now by the Trump administration and that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Could really screw up our advertising.

[News Reporter]

Rates. And in this board decision from those who voted against the decision to delay, one of them, who you heard at the top of the show, said the CDC is doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Harm.

[News Reporter]

Harm. Another said, no rational. Our bottom line, science has been presented and the committee must accept responsibility when harm is caused. Those are pretty extraordinary statements.

[John C. Dvorak]

If. Oh, this is great. So the shift. If you are harmed by not taking the vaccine, you're gonna blame this committee. But if you're harmed by taking the vaccine, sorry, there's nowhere to.

[News Reporter]

Go. If the group making a decision that has such high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans isn't basing it on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science.

[News Reporter]

Science? No, rational.

[John C. Dvorak]

Science. Oh no, sorry, it's not science. It's rational science. You see, there's science and then there's rational science. This is literally what CBS is telling.

[News Reporter]

You. Group making a decision that has such high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans isn't basing it on science. No rational science. What does that indicate about what comes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Next? Rational science is a new.

[Adam Curry]

Category. Well, look, this is the a sip, by and large, except for a handful of members, are anti vax activists who were put there to carry out a specific agenda. And look, the secretary, to his credit, has been very honest about what his intentions are here. He's the most prominent anti vaxxer in the country prior to coming into this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Position. No, that would be us. Hey, stop stealing our valor. He is not. He's pro safe vaccines and you're just afraid for your.

[Adam Curry]

Products. And he stated that his goal is to eliminate childhood immunization or many of these childhood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Immunizations.

He didn't say that at all. That's his goal. We're worried. Oh no, I'm working with.

[Adam Curry]

Pfizer. They're going to take a methodical approach and slowly chip away at this. This is a big unforced error insofar as a CIP was a esteemed body that a lot of states tie their own decision making to. And what we're seeing right now is as a group, it's being degraded and I don't think it will ever be restored. I don't think you can just flip the switch and restore this where people are going to suddenly respect its decisions again. There's about 600 state laws that were tied to decisions ACIP made. About 17 states have already passed new legislation saying they'll no longer respect the decisions of acip. The insurers came out and Said they're going to tie their own coverage decisions to the professional buyers like the American Academy of Pediatrics and not ACIP.

Degraded as a decision making body. And it's going to be more symbolic. There'll be certain states that adhere to it, but it'll be more.

[John C. Dvorak]

Symbolic. This is actually great. So what they're doing here, the way I see it, is they're going to discredit this entire board, which has always been kind of a pain in the butt because you got to pay these guys off, you got to take them out to dinner, you got to give them hookers, all this stuff. It's annoying. We've got all the states under control. Control. We've got. We got the states. You know, the completely opaque. The states will just listen to the American Board of.

[Adam Curry]

Pediatrics.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoo. Well, that's good. That. Yeah. I think this is actually the death knell of the whole system.

[Adam Curry]

So. Well, they have to get this liability thing straightened out. It's got to be removed. The indemnification is red. It's. It's. There's no reason for.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. No. Certainly not for. For vaccinations that have been, you.

[Adam Curry]

Know, you might as well put. Put cat poop in a shot because you're indemnified. Who cares? What do you give to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kids? Okay, so now we get down to his business, which is mRNA. And this is a. You know, it's a problem. It's a problem because we want to. We want to have the immunity for our.

[News Reporter]

Products. So you. This week we saw a big sell off in biotech stocks following these reports that the fda, which you used to run at the first part of the Trump administration, is now going to require one study to clinch approval of vaccines. You were one of the former commissioners who put out this really extraordinary editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine arguing that the. The FDA and top vaccine regulator, Dr. Vinay Prasad are changing policies in a way that's gonna slow down new and better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vaccines. Yeah. Because we're gonna ask you to actually prove that they don't harm people. That's what is being.

[News Reporter]

Asked. What specifically is the problem? You see, because this isn't just hep B, this is the vaccines of the future you're saying won't be created.

[Adam Curry]

Right. So Vinay Prasad, who is the. The head of the Biologics center, also oversees the vaccine division. He also has been appointed the head of biostatistics, the chief medical officer of the agency and chief scientific officer. So he occupies a lot of positions. Put out a Memo saying that they're going to do away with or move away from what they call immunobridging studies. These are studies that allow you, for, well, validated vaccines like the flu vaccine, to be able to demonstrate each year that the vaccine, the new vaccine that's formulated against the circulating strain, can elicit antibodies that are effective against that particular strain. And that could be the basis of approval, rather than requiring new outcome studies every year to prove that the vaccine actually reduces the incidence of influenza. For established vaccines where we know that antibody production is a good correlate for immunity, this has been a long standing practice. We do it for flu vaccine. We do it in Covid, certainly we do it for things like pneumococcal vaccine, the vaccine for pneumococcal disease, where we look at serotypes, circulating bacterial serotypes. This allows us to update vaccines as these viral and bacterial strains change and as the composition of the strains change in time to provide protection for the fall respiratory season. If they move away from this, which is what he said they plan to do, we're just not going to be able to update vaccines each season as we've done historically, to accommodate whatever.

[John C. Dvorak]

The circulating strain is, which is a big money.

[Adam Curry]

Maker. New Covid, new fluid maker, especially the flu every year. How come they haven't eliminated the flu from the, from the human species? Because they've been giving this shot out for 35 years, 40, 50 years. I don't know how long it's been going on. Final flu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shot. Well, the final clip is, is, I think, a good question, particularly in light of the new summary, the new study that was just published in Germany.

[News Reporter]

And 12 former FDA commissioners came out saying they're deeply concerned about what is happening. That memo that made clear the changes that are happening within the FDA from Dr. Prasad was obtained by CBS and it claimed that career FDA staff are making changes in part because they found at least 10 children have died after and because of receiving the COVID vaccine, referred to it as a profound revelation and said and asked did it kill more healthy kids than it saved? The administration to date has not backed up information to back up these claims. But what questions do you have for the FDA commissioner? Because they're arguing they're doing this to help.

[John C. Dvorak]

People. Do you like boys or girls? Is the question I have for the.

[Adam Curry]

Commissioner. First of all, one thing doesn't flow from the next. So the idea, if in fact they found cases where the COVID vaccine was linked to tragic deaths, it doesn't then follow that you make these policy changes. In fact, the policy changes wouldn't address what their concerns are related to the COVID vaccine itself. What these are. Every case needs to be carefully adjudicated. It's tragic to see any suspected case that could be linked to a vaccine. And these were looked at previously. How do you carefully adjudicate something that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Indemnified? Yep, that's exactly.

[Adam Curry]

It. Believe that the new FDA had access to the case level data analysis of cases, individual cases that get filed with the agency where there is a death in proximity to vaccination and some of these are filed by the manufacturers themselves are very subjective and require the goodwill the people involved in that. And so I think that they should make that analysis public so it could be scrutinized and people can get comfort in it. They've already backed away from the 10 is reporting from endpoints that now they're saying it's eight or nine. So they're already backing away from.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Oh.

[News Reporter]

Okay. Just said they will eventually make that data public. Well, we'll look for it when it comes out. Dr. Gottlieb, thank you for your analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today. So the NIH on the NIH nih.gov website have a study Regional patterns of excess mortality in Germany during the COVID 19 pandemic. A state level analysis. And I'll just read this first line. The study used a rigorous actuari Actuarial approach to estimate excess mortality across German federal states during the first three years of the COVID 19 pandemic. So we'll just shuttle ahead to the conclusion. It's the most fun. Based on the state of the art actuarial methods. The present study demonstrates that Germany experienced moderate average excess mortality during the first two years of the pandemic with substantial and temporarily stable regional variation across federal states. In the third pandemic year, excess mortality rose sharply, regional variation diminished and the pattern of the most affected federal states shifted markedly. The strong correlation between excess mortality and reported COVID 19 deaths and infections during the first two pandemic years suggests that regional differences in COVID 19 burden may account for much of the observed variation. However, the increase in excess mortality during the second second year despite a decrease in reported COVID 19 deaths indicates that COVID 19 alone cannot fully explain excess mortality. And then they just go ahead and say it, that the correlation is to the vaccination rate of 91%.

They're just saying it. The only thing we can find is that 91% in some states, 97% of the population population were Fully vaccinated. And that's why we had excess mortality, which means more dead people than we usually.

[Adam Curry]

Have. Yeah. And this has been determined in South Korea. It's been determined in Japan. These same studies show up everybody. Nobody wants to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. And to. I didn't clip it, but. And to add insult to injury, Saturday Night Live.

Last night had a whole sketch about COVID 19. Oh, I got Covid. I want to stay home. Oh, COVID 19. Yeah. You know what? It felt just like having the flu for three days. The very people who were messed up and telling you to get vaccinated, now they're making jokes about it.

What a world. What a time to be.

[Adam Curry]

Alive. I'll tell you, around here still amuses me when I go to the, like, the hippie dippy vegetable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Place. They're still wearing masks, aren't.

[Adam Curry]

They? Not everybody, but. There's a. But you can kind of see the wood. You can the. They're dragging their. Usually they're. They've gotten feebleized because they're breathing so much CO2. Because a mask doesn't don't really work in terms of, you know, exhaling. You can't get the bad air out of.

[John C. Dvorak]

There.

[Adam Curry]

No. And it's just like. And they're wearing these masks and they're all covered up and everything except the screen, you know, that clear shield. And I don't have that on. And they're wearing these masks, and they're just wearing masks all the time. I mean, I don't get it. Well, check the calendar. I mean, this is years after the thing. This is five years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Later. They have ptsd. This is trauma. You should take pity on them and give them a.

[Adam Curry]

Hug. You know, they should get. Slap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them.

A reminder that we have a lot more show coming up. We will be thanking some people, specifically our executive and associate executive producers, as I thank you, John C. Dvorak, the man who put the C or snuck a C into the secretary of egg. Here he is. Everybody say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

[Adam Curry]

Devor.

Yeah. Well, in the morning you miss Adam Marsh of C GR the air subs of the W D. Nice out.

[John C. Dvorak]

There in the morning to the trolls in the troll. Let me count different sl. There we.

Go, creeping back up there. 1909 max troll picage count. Who are listening [e-mail] or on one of the modern podcast apps, which you should check out at podcastapps.plural.com. and it's good to have the trolls here, I mean, they haven't really. They haven't written any good lines for me, as you always think they.

[Adam Curry]

Do. No, you're the one that tells me.

[John C. Dvorak]

That. Well, when they do. When they do. When they do. But it's. No, it's. It's all.

[Adam Curry]

Just. You're not contributing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today. No, they're not. They're not being productive citizens of troll land. Not really.

But you can find them@trollroom,IO or noagendastream.com this is a value for Value podcast, which we've been doing for well over 18 years. So take that, everybody. We're still here. And we'll be here up until the next impeachment. I'm.

[Adam Curry]

Quitting. Until this third.

[John C. Dvorak]

Impeachment. I'm quitting. If there's a third impeachment, I'm out. I can't do it. I can't do it.

[Adam Curry]

Anymore. It's too much. I'm going to. I just stick around for the fourth impeachment. They have time to get two more in. Come.

[John C. Dvorak]

On. It'll be easy to do that. Hey, you can contribute your time, talent, and treasure to the show. And we love the talent part and the time that people put into it, which is increasingly diminishing because it's so easy to create artwork. If you're wondering, just go ahead and ask Darren. Aaron o'. Neill. It didn't take him long to create the artwork for episode 1822. Probably took him longer to upload it to no agenda artgenerator.com which is our ongoing episodic contest for who can create the best artwork that we use on the show. And no doubt, he actually uploaded two, and we had a little conversation about which one was better. But we both had to laugh about no Agenda. Large wieners, the packaged wieners, now 33, 33% larger. Which. What was that from? Oh, it was from our end of show ISO. That's what it was. But it was good. We thought it was. I thought there were a number of things that we looked at. Noagendaartgenerator.com if you want to look along with us. Take a look.

[Adam Curry]

At. Yeah, let's see what we had. There was a couple of things we liked, and we had some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Commentary. Two packages of wieners. And we talked about. You like the yellow one Initially, but I said, no, it has to be a package. And.

[Adam Curry]

So. Yeah, well, it was not. It was just a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Box. Yes. Yeah. Which.

[Adam Curry]

Is. Actually, I like the coloring better. The color. The color was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Better. All.

[Adam Curry]

Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. We got here A huge AI blunder. Darren uploaded a matchbook which said Gen Z proof as we learned that some gen zers have issues striking matches. But this was a huge blunder because it didn't have a striking surface on.

[Adam Curry]

It.

Now the one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Which could of course be a meta joke that they're Gen.

[Adam Curry]

Z. It could have been a meta joke. We don't know.

We also had the one you like the most but we weren't going to use was Bombs Away by Nick the Rat.

With the two guys in the boat and looking, waving, looking at the missile coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

In. We also like blue acorns brought rich.

[Adam Curry]

Receipts. Yeah. Except. Except the cross eyed guy. It looks like a cross eyed stereotype of a Shakespearean Jew. It was. No, that was not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happening. That was a little too.

[Adam Curry]

Much. It was more than we could even put up.

[John C. Dvorak]

With. Yeah. What.

[Adam Curry]

Else? A lot of dental.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dental jokes. I love my.

[Adam Curry]

Dentist. I ended up using the little dog, the blue acorn dog in the. In the chair sipping a cup of hot chocolate. I thought that was the cutest picture of the whole.

[John C. Dvorak]

Group. Yeah, it was cute for.

[Adam Curry]

Sure. Cute. So I used it for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newsletter. That's the term. Yeah. I think I kind of like the no agenda aggression meter. But it was pretty bland. It was all Darren, Darren. Darren's. He just figured this out. If anybody wants to hire a spot artist, just hire Darren. Yeah, I mean he know. He knows how to do.

[Adam Curry]

It. Crank it out too. It'll come. It'll come.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fast. Yeah, you'll get it right away. No agenda. Artgenerator.com thank you very much, Darren O' Neill for bringing us the artwork for episode 18, what Was It? 1822. And we titled that one Kohana, which is the new name for Rohana, but we just call him Kohana. We always thank all of our producers who support us financially, which is the only way the show keeps on going, which is our full time day job and sometimes night job and weekend job and vacation job because we work usually during most of the important holidays whenever we can because stuff is still going on. And we assign a special credit for those who are fortunate enough to give us more than $200, 200 and above. We will read your note and some of them do get a little bit extended. And we also give you a credit, which is associate executive producer for this episode, which is good anywhere. Hollywood credits are recognized, including IMDb.com $300 or above. Executive producer. You can display that proudly as Bob Dietrich can, who starts us off. Executive Producer with a mega boob. Big boob 80008 so $800.08 cents. And he says, in fond tribute to the movie Total Recall, get your ass to Mars. Enclosed is a mutant hooker. Boobs check for $800.08. Please de douche.

[Adam Curry]

Me. All right.

You've been de.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douched. Value for value, he says. My daughter, a struggling college student, is jumping in to support your valuetainment grant goals. She is studying fashion merchandising and designs and sews her own fashions. Every quality clothing item or bag sold gets a 10% discount for the producer and an additional 10% kicked up to the podfather. Forget about it. Go to katedietrich.net that's K A T E D I E T R I c h katedrich.net and use promo code NOAH AGENDA. A sample bag, overnight bag is enclosed. The shaving soaps are from me. Did you get said sample.

[Adam Curry]

Bag? Yes. In fact, she. It was in a makeup bag that of her design, which she doesn't have on her website. And she should because it's a really killer. And. And Jay glommed onto it immediately. Oh, grab the makeup bag because it's a beauty and. And her stuff is in it. If you go to her website, she's not only a talented designer and you can tell she has kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. Oh, these are nice. These are very.

[Adam Curry]

Nice. She could be. She could. She could go a long ways. And right now she's cheap. Her stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is. Get it now while she's still.

[Adam Curry]

Cheap. Get it now while she's cheap. Because this. She could easily have to raise prices. It seems to me she's. She's very reasonable and, and yeah, I would definitely, if you have any women out there listening, should go to her website and check it out. And she should be a little more aggressive with her makeup bag because the one that she sent me with the. With the shaving supplies in it is better looking than the one she's showing on her website. It's just a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Killer. What color is it? Because they look very.

[Adam Curry]

Girly. It's a pattern. It's not a color. It's just a dark patterned with all kinds of images on it. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dynamite. I love.

[Adam Curry]

Anything. She's got the chops. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Obvious. I love anything that's made in America. I love it. Thank you very much.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Handmade in America by her, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guess. Yes. Yeah, that's what I love about it. Anything made in America is good with the no Agenda show. And thanks in advance, y', all is Bob's parting.

[Adam Curry]

Words. Thank you.

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[John C. Dvorak]

Springs.

[Adam Curry]

Melivation. I think she's in Colorado Springs. 350 bucks. And she also sent in a check and a note. And the note says if I can get to the top of.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. She has very legible.

[Adam Curry]

Handwriting. Yeah, it's a printing. It's a printing that is stylish in an awkward way. I wouldn't call it advanced. Dear crackin buzz. 350 bucks. I've been a miss in sending in some value for all the entertainment you provide on your comedy podcast.

Accept this bit of value from me so you can keep going, making us laugh and keeping us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Centered. That's all I want to.

[Adam Curry]

Hear. May I suggest a substack coffee and Covid? Jeff Childis. Okay, check it out. I think Gitmo Nation will find it a complete complimentary analysis of no Agenda show. Plus, the guy is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hoot.

[Adam Curry]

Hoot. Peace and blessings on you and your family's day. Melivation. Colorado Springs. Melanie is a real name. Jingle Obama. No, no no. Chicken.

Hey hey hey hey.

Hey hey hey hey.

Hey hey hey hey.

Hey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey. Which leaves me with a rather long note from Sir Adam of the Koch empire in Milton, Florida. $343.75 Sense Boy. He says to me, Donald Trump must have been a big fan of Tom Clancy movies and or books because he seems to be living out the events of clear and present danger with this war on the narcos. I have to go watch that again. I Do you recall the plot of.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Remember that's the one where they had the missile that blew up the guy's house. Remember that? He. Yeah, from a satellite or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I wonder if he will send covert troops in like the movie and then get impeached for lying to the Senate Oversight committee about sending troops in like the movie. Anyway, Adam, your homework is to go watch that movie. I have seen it, but I will watch it again. AI update. Ah, he's in the business. Seems as though Microsoft has deployed copilot on an enterprise level to customers like me with the expectation that we the company create agents bots to use in our businesses that they can take credit for.

Excuse me. There's a divide between software tech Bros and industry manufacturers where nobody on the tech side knows diddly squat about how equipment operates or how anything in the manufacturing process works. To be able to use AI to create bots that matter to get things done at the plant level. I Think. I think without significant automation results with AI over the next six months, large companies that matter, like the conglomerate I'm in, will start to turn the page on AI and the fees that aws, Microsoft and Microsoft are charging to use their software suite. I don't see any rabbits being pulled out of hats very soon to justify the spend from our side of the equation. Well, that's a pretty damning testimony I'd say. Yeah, and he's probably.

[Adam Curry]

Right. Yeah, he probably.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is. I gave in to my German wife over the weekend and bought overly priced tickets to the World cup for Germany's match against some nobody country cur in.

[Adam Curry]

Houston. Oh, that should be a one sided.

[John C. Dvorak]

Slog. Yeah. Who wants to be a part.

[Adam Curry]

Of what you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

For? Oh, thousands.

[Adam Curry]

Probably. Well, the basic ticket is 1500.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bucks. Geez. Well to see Dermanshaft play is always is a treat. They are very good the Germans. I guess I'll do my part. For the New World Order games. The tickets are only available to be sent to you via the FIFA World cup app and are tied to a digital ID system of some sort. Speaking of digital id, check out the company Ping id. I think you like it. Yes. Adam, another inside hint. Oh, okay. John, back when you played that New York mayor victory speech, I noticed he told Cuomo he wished him well on his return to private life. The Soviet era Bolsheviks referred to freedom as the private life. So anyway, that just proved to me that the guy is a Marxist die hard Lenin worshiping douchebag. Sorry nyc, you're screwed. Now will probably smell like now it will probably smell like piss year round instead of just in the summer months. Jingles Coke brothers and two to the head. Well we can do that. We have both of those for you Coke brothers.

And thank you very much Sir.

[Adam Curry]

Adam of the Coke empire Christopher Graves is up. He's in Mount Army. Occam Occum, California. He comes in as Associate Executive Producer. $242 and says let's start with a quick shout out to John from Auburn, California who drove to the candy shop today to see to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Itm. Oh, how cool is.

[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

Years. So I'm presuming that if people keep buying, they'll just keep donating. It's like the circularity is in.

[Adam Curry]

Effect. I hope.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. Yeah, me too. And it's an excellent product. We're keeping it for when the Tina and Kevin are coming this year for Christmas. So we're. We're keeping. We already ate the turkeys. Tina, Christina. Yeah, Christina and Kevin are coming. Hey, there's William Swenson in Bentonville, Arkansas. No. Yeah, Arkansas AR is Arkansas. Yes. Arkansas doesn't sound right. Yeah, it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What do you think it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is? I don't know. $233.99 it gents. And I use that term loosely.

Let me ISO that. That was kind of funny.

Please send birthday wishes to my fantastic mother in law, Edie in Bentonville, Arkansas on her December 7th birthday on your December 7th show. Happy birthday, Edie. She punched me in the mouth a little over a year ago and I've been getting my amygdala shrunk a few hours at a time ever since. Edie is an avid listener and has availed herself and our listeners little family of many of John's tips of the day. And she continues to be loving and supporting of us as well as an amazing grandmother to our three teens. Happy borniversary mom. So.

Adam and John, please accept my row of ducks. Oh, I guess that was a a 2, 2, 2. And deduce me.

You'Ve been de douched.

He also.

Seemed to have lost my pad there. He also wants the Trump jobs. Clip from my business William the window washer in northwest Arkansas and the not so good Rev Al spell respect for Edie. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And he winds it up with a good old Jew donation. Shalom.

[Adam Curry]

Y'. All. Jobs, jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Boom.

Sir. 23's Night of the electric.

[John C. Dvorak]

Something. The electric sea. The electric.

[Adam Curry]

Sea. The electric sea. He's in Derbyshire. UK Buxton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. $230.23. He says itm gentlemen, and thank you for your outstanding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Product. You're.

[Adam Curry]

Welcome. These 23 is on show. 1823 will bring me to Baronet. Please upgrade me accordingly as I'm not sure whether baronet replaces sir or knight in my name. Do whatever you want, Sir. Baronet is fine. Adam. Adam, is there any chance you could include some old jingles at the end of the show? Whenever. There aren't, you know, aren't enough things.

[John C. Dvorak]

To. No, just request them in your donation segment. That's where they belong. We don't. We don't leave them there for other shows to.

[Adam Curry]

Steal. On that note, can I please get a Pelosi. Shut up. For AI songs and a little girl. Yay. And karma for all the producers, particularly Carl with a K from who are these podcasts? Our buddies as he fights stuttering John's $850,000 LOL suit against him. Well, that's. I never heard of LOL.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suit. I didn't hear about.

[Adam Curry]

That.

[John C. Dvorak]

LOL. We need details. What's going.

[Adam Curry]

On? Details. I'd love to hear you back on that show, John. Thank you for your courage. Four more years. 20, sir. 23's Night of the Electric Sea High Peak UK. Shut up. Yay.

You've got karma. I wonder what this lawsuit was about. If you. There is.

[John C. Dvorak]

One. I don't know. 222.23 from Gary Marcy in Renton, Washington. All he says is USA. USA, USA. Thank.

[Adam Curry]

You. Followed by Eli the coffee Guy comes in 21207 Last show you covered pardon of the. You covered the pardon of the Honduran. Honduran president. It lines up a little. It lined up a little too neatly with a new asylum deal that Honduras is taking. Claimants who allegedly filed in the US Already filed file but could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Already filed in the US not allegedly.

[Adam Curry]

Already. So there is a suspicious activity he's pointing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Out.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The administration is now deporting folks from Central and South America off to Honduras in mass. Funny how these things tend to sync.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. I hear the.

[Adam Curry]

Weather. No one's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Looking. Hey, the weather's nice.

[Adam Curry]

There. I'm sure it is.

Plus.

Plus the probable probably had good info about the drug money as well. Thanks to you two for cutting through the noise while the rest of the media chases distractions. Honduras also grows my drugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? My drug of.

[Adam Curry]

Choice. Oh, his drug of choice. Okay. Coffee. Ah. And our enduring organic is the good stuff. Stuff, man. The Honduran, which I think I have had, is quite good. So visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. You'll be hooked. Stay caffeinated to Eli the coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy. William Wilde is in Baltimore, Maryland. Almost winding out the list here. $210.60. He says Merry Christmas to you both. Thanks for all the good insight and laughs this year. Yes, we are accepting early Christmas gifts. Thank.

[Adam Curry]

You. Boom. Linda Lou Pakin. She's now in Castle Rock, Colorado. You know she's changed her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Location. Yeah, we need some info about that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What happened? $200 jobs karma. Give the gift of a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lu, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and job. Vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. I gave her a goat, added a goat for you, linda. Katherine J. McCloskey is in Brookline, Massachusetts. $200 associate executive producer title for you. And she says, Merry Christmas. Thank you. Merry Christmas to.

[Adam Curry]

You.

And then we come to Sean Brennan in Avon, Indiana. $200. And that came in as a check. So there's a note attached and it's on a piece of paper and it says, John and Adam, this is a back atcha switcheroo for Jeff Homan. As a switcheroo, Jeff Homan in Roanoke. Sadly, our professional journey together is at an end. Hopefully our no agenda journey will continue. Four years. And this of course is a pun because he spells it F O U r Sean Brennan. Donation 200.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bucks. So. But it's Jeff.

[Adam Curry]

Homan. Yeah, For Jeff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Homan. Jeff Homan. Okay. All right, got it. Hey, that's it. That locks it up for our executive and associate executive producers. 4 epis. 1823. 1823 episodes of the best podcast in the universe produced so far, with many more to come up until that impeachment. Again, all of you received these very exclusive executive and associate executive producership titles. They're [e-mail] support us any amount, anytime, whenever you feel like. If you get value out of the show, send back that amount of value. You got to know it. Gen the donations.com no agenda donations.com Our formula is.

[Adam Curry]

This. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

Shut up. Shut.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up.

Got a boots on the ground Note regarding the Airbus.

Computer issue. You remember they grounded almost all of the Airbus 320s. Yes. I'm a computer engineer who specializes in embedded firmware development. Are we the best podcast in the universe or what? We got somebody who has an.

[Adam Curry]

Expert. We have somebody for everything. It's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amazing. And it is your obligation as a producer of the no Agenda show to always let us know if you have.

[Adam Curry]

Expertise. Report.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. Don't sit there.

[Adam Curry]

Go. Yeah, this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy. Don't. No, nothing. No, you send it to us. While I don't work in aviation, I can tell you that solar radiation flipping a bit in flight control systems is not something that should be getting fixed via a software update or downgrade, as it was in this case. To be clear, this phenomenon is very real and has been known about for airplanes, satellites, et cetera, for a very long time. The way it is avoided is with something called a lockstep program processor where two or more processors conduct the same calculations and operations at the same time and are checked against each other before the code executes. This makes me think that someone is being negligent in implementation. You don't think the only way that ECC memory or lock sep computation should fail is if you get two bits flipped, one on each processor in the exact same place or if the error correction codes on the ECC are correct. Crap. And have collisions where flipped bit inappropriately evaluates another valid number. Ultra rare. And software won't save you here. This does not pass the smell test. Very suspicious that a bad update would break these fundamental checks against solar radiation. So there you go. They lying, but they at least interesting. Oh.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, probably I guess that's why you revert. Because the reversion had this. Had this covered property properly and the update was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Incompetent. Exactly. But it shouldn't have. He's kind of saying it shouldn't have even happened at.

[Adam Curry]

All.

No, I. I don't think he said that. He says it. Well, that's what he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Said. It.

[Adam Curry]

Happened. But that, that, that the software fix. It could be that this, this system is in place, but the software fix bypassed it in some way somehow. The newspaper software. It didn't know the guy who was putting it and implementing it didn't know what he was doing, how to make that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Work. What is this code? Let me comment that out. This is annoying, this bit flipping.

[Adam Curry]

Code. Yeah, that's exactly right. This happened little story. So George Morrow was making all.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. Wait, who's George.

[Adam Curry]

Morrow? George Morrow is the guy who did the micro. So he did a bunch of computers back in the eight bit era and he had. He did a couple of fantastic laptops and including a couple that I think he designed for Zenith. Zenith was a big laptop provider back in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Day.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And he. He put together a laptop A super thin laptop that they sent to Korea for production and it was all set up, everything was working fine. It came back, it wouldn't run for crap. It was a piece of junk. They just, they couldn't, they were slow. And he started, he had to go into the code base and he found that they had bypassed an algorithm that was put in there specifically to keep this thing running at a high clip. Because some software designers looked at it and said, I don't get what this is for, why it's here. Why don't we just go around.

[John C. Dvorak]

It? Yeah, that.

[Adam Curry]

Happens. That's what people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. So I also got talk about best producers in the universe. One of our producers is very close to the company that does the detection of music rights in these a AI music companies. And we were wondering how they do that, how can they detect who owns what in, in these songs that are created on Suno, etc. And I'd like to share this the relevant paragraphs here from his email as this is really fascinating. So what they do is they run a very small and targeted model for each of the rights holders with agents that focus, that focus on notes, text and tone. They sit in the middle of the queries from the AI companies like Suno, OpenAI, et cetera and send an agent to probe a model that identifies the result of the prompt before it's delivered back to the user. So Darren o', Neil, if you're, if you're typing in something, then there's a little agent there that's going to check it. Then it sends, sends it over to the mini license model. So if Sony owns the IP or John Denver says date, etc. Then the agent will run an engine that puts together an algo that assigns a percentage of likelihood and probability against the content. So they don't even know for sure. For example, the user asks for a song in the style of John Denver with lyrics about a cat. Some percent of the lyrics will be taken from other John Denver songs. Like if the verse starts with take me home silly cat, then to take me home part would go towards that percentage. Oh my God. Goodness. They add up the percentages from the review and come up with a figure that is then applied to the licensing fee. So if the estate says we're going to charge $0.01 for each time an AI model presents a user with one of our songs, the system looks at what the AI spits out, decides that the result is 75% based on John Denver IP and sends a bill to OpenAI for 0.00759 so 3/4 of a penny. This is crazy. They can also take multiple IP owners and do the same thing. So if the result to the user is 10% from ACDC, 25% from Stephen Sondheim and 60% from the Warner Music Group, they can take that amount, bill OpenAI, then distribute it to the rights holders. They take a small percentage of the exchange, of course. And when you take a small percentage of billions of queries a day, it adds up to a lot of money. So they're taking, so I get from this, they're just guessing. They've got likelihood, prom probability and similarity as their model. This thing, this thing is.

[Adam Curry]

Nuts. But I don't think anyone's going to push back on.

[John C. Dvorak]

It.

[Adam Curry]

Who. I'm sorry, I don't think, I don't think that the companies will push back on.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. No, not at all. No, they'll take.

[Adam Curry]

It. This is. Okay, you guys do the calculation. We'll send you your.

[John C. Dvorak]

45. Your money. Yeah, yeah, we'll send you the money. So there you go. The more you know, that is.

[Adam Curry]

A more, you know, story. I've got a, I've got an interesting couple of clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. This is, doesn't cover by anybody. This is a. One of my wow. Clips is the new Army. You know about the new army command. You. We did, we kind of discussed part of the Monroe Doctrine. The new army command is all part of this. And this got fair. This is only covered by.

[News Reporter]

Npr. The Pentagon has created a new army command at Fort.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bragg. As.

[News Reporter]

J. Price reports, it's part of the Trump administration's increasing foreign policy focus on.

[Adam Curry]

The Americas and border security. It's called the US Army Western Hemisphere Command. During the ceremony marking its creation, its first commander, General Joseph Ryan said building it the right way was crucial for the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nation. When we secured succeed, we will.

[Adam Curry]

Be proud to serve in a theater army that is ready for the myriad tasks that our nation's priority theater requires. Creating the command is in line with the new national security strategy the White House released this week. It says the United States will prioritize dominance in the security and economics of the Western hemisphere. For NPR News, I'm Jay Price at Fort Bragg, Northeast Carolina. This is a space.

[John C. Dvorak]

Force. Wow. New army, new army.

[Adam Curry]

Command. Yeah. That's a big deal because that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Means they just, they're like the, they. They get sent wherever they need to go. Is that, is that what I.

[Adam Curry]

Understand? Well in the Western.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hemisphere. Oh yeah. Because that's.

[Adam Curry]

Ours. Yeah, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ours. That's Ours. Pay attention, people. Do you live in the Western Hemisphere? That's ours. You do what we say. Say foam finger number one.

My neighbor actually had a bombshell. Dropped a bombshell. We've always been wondering who they.

[Adam Curry]

Are. Yeah, who is.

[John C. Dvorak]

They? Well, Laura Logan, she interviewed a guy, very long interview, but then she did a short little Insta for the Insta and tells us exactly who they are. They are. We've been waiting for this for.

[News Reporter]

Ages, but there's always this question of who's behind it all. What's the they? Because when you learn, you know, when you learn about warfare, you learn about genocide, you learn about all these things, you begin to recognize that there are systems of command and control that have to be running these things for them to work. Like, how do you get all these different agencies to work together to suppress the.

[Adam Curry]

Truth? Well, you need a command and.

[News Reporter]

Control system, because the command and control and control system that has been shutting down all of these things that we have seen, whether it's Fast and Furious under Eric Holder, or it's the IRS persecuting Christian and conservative organizations, or it's the Russia collusion investigation that goes nowhere, or it's the Ukraine impeachment trial. These operations are being run out of an organization called the Council for the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency that was created under Barack Obama in.

[Adam Curry]

2008. And by the way, his partner.

[News Reporter]

In creating that, in having this brought into law, was none other than Chuck Grassley on the other side of the aisle. And then it was supported, you know, by people on both sides of the aisle. So they created this council, which is in charge of the inspectors.

[Adam Curry]

General. So what has been.

[News Reporter]

Happening? You know, a lot of us are asking ourselves, why is there no one that's willing to stand up in the federal government? We do hear about whistleblowers from time to time, but by and large, these people have been able to weaponize these agencies and walk all over the American people and commit crimes against the American people and get away with.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. Counsel for the inspectors general on integrity and.

[Adam Curry]

Efficiency.

It sounds like a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beauty.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And did you check into it? Obviously you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did. Yes. Well, it is what she says, and she takes a little further. They operate kind of like the.

[News Reporter]

Mob. They do things like they have an annual gathering every year. Who do they have as their guest of honor? Not so long ago, they had Anthony.

[Adam Curry]

Fauci. Well, what are they doing.

[News Reporter]

There? They're sending a message to all of the inspector generals in, like, the National Institutes of Health, for example, and beyond. Don't touch this guy. He's a made man. He belongs to us. And so what they do is, it's not. They investigate what they want to, such as when they, you know, they.

[Adam Curry]

Went after Donald Trump for Russia.

[News Reporter]

Collusion. Right. So when they want to do an election investigation to reinforce an operation or a false narrative or to take out their political rivals, they have the power to do that. And when they don't want something to be investigated or they want that investigation to die on the vine, they're able to do that, too. And then when you have people who are retaliated against whistleblowers who have legal protections against them, well, where do they go? They all. It all ends up in this clearinghouse of the inspectors general, where they have the ability to control what. Whatever they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Want. Yeah, you can find [e-mail] we'll have to keep our eye on this outfit. They are the command and control, oversight in.

[Adam Curry]

Action.

Yeah, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Peculiar. Yeah, well, when she says something, I pay.

[Adam Curry]

Attention. She does put a lot of work into.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. She does this. This, by the way, this clip that I have here. Here. There's something here that I hadn't even thought about. And I think it's. It's worthwhile. You know, I'm an avid vapor, but of course I. I buy American cotton. I have organic nicotine juice that I put in. I wind my own coil, so I know what I'm vaping. But in Belgium, the Belgian drug chief warns of something very concerning which could also be happening here. And, you know, you know, I don't like the vape wars, but this is worth.

[News Reporter]

Noting. Belgium's first ever drug commissioner, Ina Van wehmers, has told Euronews that 80% of the illegal refill vape capsules seized by Belgian customs contain dangerous synthetic opioids. She warns of a real risk to children who could get hooked on these hidden opioids. The risk is that they will be addicted on a very young age, that their brain will not develop the way it should be. These are serious health risks, and we need to protect them from that by taking measures against all these logistic chain issues that are abused for synthetical drugs. Aside from breaking logistic chains, Van Wemmer said tackling the business model is also key, especially to prevent gangs from recruiting within the authority. Recent court cases highlighted that Belgium's legal world, including the judicial system and police, was corrupted by organized crime. There is a lot of money going on in this criminal world, and it's with this money that people are convinced to work with criminals. And that is when we don't tackle the business model, then we are. Then we are having a serious risk to develop towards a narcostate. Van Wemmers took on her role in 2023 after Belgium's main port in Antwerp became the major gateway to cocaine entering Europe. One side effect of drugs flooding European markets is heightened gun violence and gangs fighting for turf, forming a public security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Threat. A lot in this report. I mean, yes, of course, Belgium is a narco state. The Netherlands is a narco state. They have people ports, the, the port of Rotterdam and the port of Antwerp. They're huge for, for bringing the drugs in. But I don't know why all of a sudden she gets this vape thing. And I'd like a little bit of evidence that, that these, they all come from China, that they're putting opioids in the refillable vapes. What a brilliant idea, by the way, if that's.

[Adam Curry]

True. Yeah, yeah, it's a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Idea. It's a great. It's a great idea, but.

[Adam Curry]

Still.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Wow.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway.

I have to play this and get it out of here, which is. I'm actually highly amused by the Homeland Security undersecretary, whatever she is. She's been in the. She's in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

First. Chrissy.

[Adam Curry]

Noem. Noem, no. Under the undersecretary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tricia. Oh, I don't know who the undersecretary is. Oh, you've.

[Adam Curry]

Heard. When you hear her voice, you're going to hear. Because I'm fascinated with her voice. She's got this, this, this just interesting sorority girl voice. And she's been in the government forever. She used to be the chief of staff for some. The Nuclear Disarmament Department or something in Trump's first administration. And now she's just kind of a spokesman. She comes out, she looks like she's 16 and she. And you. She's. Now I'm just fascinated with her voice. And here she.

[News Reporter]

Is. Katalula Crunch, which we are launching today down in New Orleans. We're from first and foremost, really focusing on those worst of the worst.

[Adam Curry]

Criminals. The Department of Homeland Security launches the latest federal immigration enforcement operation in the city of New Orleans. DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin says that ICE is specifically prioritizing illegal immigrants who were previously in local.

[News Reporter]

Jails. Because New Orleans functions as a sanctuary city. Those individuals were not released to ICE. They were instead released back onto New Orleans.

[Adam Curry]

Streets. McLaughlin says that the operation will continue, whether it be 5,000 arrests or more. The DHS released information on Some of the people they are targeting saying sanctuary policies endanger American communities by releasing illegal criminal aliens and forcing DHS law enforcement to risk their lives to remove.

[News Reporter]

Criminal illegal aliens that should have never been put back on the.

[Adam Curry]

Streets. DHS secretary, secretary kristi noem says that operation katalua crunch will remove the worst of the worst from New Orleans, Louisiana after the city's sanctuary politicians have ignored the rule of.

[John C. Dvorak]

Law. Yeah, you know, the result of these, of this immigration policy and deportations is pretty drastic. I mean you don't really hear about it because the mainstream media won't, doesn't really want you to know how many people were let in, certainly by the biden administration. Administration. But I got a note from George from Austin and he delivers sodas out of the Austin area. And part of that is delivering to h E B.

He says as part of the job delivering to stores, some out in the heavily hispanic areas outside of Austin, let alone the rise in price of aluminum and sugar. Add in the ICE raids, our business has dropped well over 50% in the past few months. Mainly from hispanic workers not going into stores before or after work. Even beer guys I talk to, I guess delivering beer say the same thing. Some of the stores coming out of these places, some of the stories coming out of these places outright wild ice mainly only rounding up the males, leaving women to fend for their households for themselves. There have been car chases, some that end with shots fired raids going on in the middle of the night. Supposedly some firefights involved. I go to Mexican grocery stores that are size of smaller h E b s and they're ghost towns compared to last year. None of this makes it a to the news. And also being in the trucking world, the freight economy is on a huge downward shift. Part of the ice movement. Truckers are now being targeted to check their legal status. Recently There was over 4,000 commercial driver's license schools shut down nationwide due in part to the slowdown and from passing laws that people who don't speak or read english. Trucking companies are now starting to starting layoffs and some even shutting down due to high costs and lack of lack of freight. And I'll just add one thing because I've always tried to help people get legal in America because I've done it with several, you know, I've done it with family members and there is a, there's a really bad scam going on which I noticed recently as I was helping someone out who has, who has a legal right to stay here. Under the violence against women's act vawa, as it's known. And there's these law firms located mainly in Washington, D.C. and they have satellite offices everywhere, a lot of them in Texas. And so this woman who. Her paperwork could be processed in six weeks. She has been paying $300 a month to this outfit for two years. And when you call, you just get an answering machine. Starts in Spanish, and you don't get any. They're just stringing these.

[Adam Curry]

People. People.

[John C. Dvorak]

Along.

And how do I know that is because I called and I had her case number, and I had her name and everything. And I said, hi, this is Adam Curry. I'm calling about this person, this case, first thing. What do you want? I said, well, I want to talk to her lawyer. Well, are you with immigration? Said, no, but you can look me up.

Certainly. I'm the podfather. Who do you think is calling you? Guess what? Within 24 hours, her paperwork is being processed. This. This is a. These are a hole.

[Adam Curry]

Companies. This is because you're with the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Media. I said, look me.

[Adam Curry]

Up. You know, do you know who I am? Did you say.

[John C. Dvorak]

That? No, I said, look me up. I think it's. I think it's cooler to say, look me up. Look me up, dude.

So. Which just proves that they're just stringing people along, soaking them, even though she has a ve. Valid and legal right to be here. So, you.

[Adam Curry]

Know. So you're telling me there's a scam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Afoot? Yeah, but it's sad. I don't like.

[Adam Curry]

It. Well, it is totally sad, but most scams.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are. Yeah, well, anyway, so there are.

[Adam Curry]

Lawyers who did a good deed. You're. You're a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Guy. Well, that's not why I say it. I say it because I. I was surprised by this nationwide law firm that just strings people along and they don't follow up, they don't send you emails, they don't send you any. Any documentation, you know, because they want. They want scared people. That's no good. Douchebags. Look me up. Look me.

[Adam Curry]

Up.

Look me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Up. Hey. Hey, buddy. Stop button in line. Hey, man, look me up. All right.

All right. Last clip for you.

[Adam Curry]

John.

Well, let's see. I've got a few things that are possible. Let's just play this little. This is a tease for a podcast, but I want to. Actually, no, let's play Read a Book within. Now, this is a. They have a segment. They do it once every month or so. It's called Read a Book. And then they say, we should all be reading more books. And then they have different people come on and describe books from the staffers from the NPR because they got nothing better to do than to talk about books they read because they're reading books all the time. And I just thought this one was funny. Here's some unsolicited advice. Skip all the holiday parties this winter and read a book instead. And great news. NPR's books we love has tons of recommendations, including these fiction reads from some of our co.

[News Reporter]

Workers. Hi, my name is Rachel Treisman, and I'm a general assignment reporter. One of my favorite books this.

[Adam Curry]

Year was Wild Dark shore by Charlotte.

[News Reporter]

McConaughey. A dad and his three teen and preteen kids are the last people on a rapidly sinking research island off of.

[Adam Curry]

Antarctica. They're getting ready to evacuate when.

[News Reporter]

A mysterious, mysterious woman washes ashore in a storm. As the family nurses her back to health, relationships form, dynamics shift, and before long, everyone is suspicious of each.

[Adam Curry]

Other. Wild Dark Shore is a mystery.

[News Reporter]

Thriller packed with plot twists and turns that make it really hard to put down. But when you finally do, you'll keep thinking about it and the bigger questions that it tackles so beautifully about love and loss and resilience in the face of climate.

[Adam Curry]

Change.

I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who, oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

Change in the face of climate change. We do have a few people to thank that gave us $50 and above. And Adam will read them off one at a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time. Yes, I will. And we start with Anon in Marietta, Ohio. Anon supports us with $133.32. And we thank you very much for that. Anon ash in Texas. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. We see what you did there. We love those sequentials. And he says, newsletter made it to me fine. I said, newsletter made it to me fine. Donation. God bless you both. Did you get the. The note from Void.

[News Reporter]

Zero?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I haven't responded to it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yet. Okay. Did you read. Did you read.

[Adam Curry]

It? It's on my list of things to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do. Okay, let's see. Buy mushrooms.

Get wine from Costco. Read note from it. Read note from Void Zero. Binger Newman, Yankton, South Dakota. A row of sticks. 111 11. And says, Happy belated birthday to Kyle Tack from Binger Newman. The perfect boy birthday gift for Kyle will be to have John absolutely. Butcher his name. Well, no, because I'm reading him. Thank you for your attention to this.

[Adam Curry]

Matter. And there with 800, butcher the name Binger.

[John C. Dvorak]

Newman. I don't know. Coming in with a boob donation. Kevin McLaughlin, Concord, North Carolina. And he says, well you know. Yes we do. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. William Kidwell, Dover, Delaware. 77 Holy Holy Donation. Steven Sabiski, Kettering, Ohio. 67. David Cox in Austin. 6325. Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, California. 61. 61. Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado. Aurora, Colorado with a small boop 606. Also small boob from Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. Andrew Garland, Muncie, Indiana. 5623 David Wicker. There he is. That is.

Sir By His Grace, Jacksonville, Florida. 5622. Troy Funder Burke, Missoula, Montana. 55. Sarah Lynx Willer in Bessemer, Alabama. 5283. Kelly Hubbard, Plymouth, Minnesota. 5272. Eric Ortega in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. 52. 5. Josiah Thomas from Ankeny, Iowa. 51. And here's our 50s. There's Sir Alex Avala from Kyle, Texas. Of course, the from the NICU dad podcast. M. Todd Allen in Harriman, Utah. Edward Mazurek in Memphis, Tennessee. Jacob Rotramo in Decatur, Illinois. Steven Ray in Spokane, Washington. And we have Antonio Martinez, Greenlee, Colorado with a birthday and a first time.

[Adam Curry]

Donation.

You've been de.

[John C. Dvorak]

Douched. That's a birthday shout out for his brother Martin Martinez who was born on the 7th 7th of December in the year of our Lord 1989, who hit him in the mouth. And Rick Lindquist in Squim, Washington. 50 J. Worthy from Shefford in the UK. He wants us to keep going. Kerry Jackson, Watertown, Tennessee and our final $50 supporter, Jason DeLuzio in Miami Beach, Florida. Thank you all to these supporters, these donors, value for value. Whatever value you get out of the show, please send that back to us in the amount that it is worth to you. And only you can determine what what value you get out of the show and what you want to put back into it. Value for value. Noagendadonations.com thank you. And again congratulations to our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1823. Noagendadonations.com.

We've got William Swenson wishing his fantastic mother in law Evie a happy birthday. It is her birthday day today. Antonio Martinez, you just heard him. His brother Martin Martinez. Martinez a is the accident there? Also today, December 7th, Ryan Newman says happy birthday to Kyle Tack and sir by his grace, David Wicker says please join Jules, Hope, Greta and I in Praising our lord for Aspen's 13th birthday party today. Where's my invitation? And we've got our buddy Parker from right here in Fredericksburg, Geist White. He is celebrating his birthday on the 18th. I may be early. Parker will do it again if you need it. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

We have a title change and that is sir 20 night of the Electric Sea. In accordance with his additional support of $1,000 or more, he becomes a baronet today. Congratulations and welcome to your new spot in the no Agenda Peerage. We got some meetups to talk about.

Just a couple as we wind everything down for for this year. We have a meetup taking place today. It's the I must be high number 17. That is actually, I think underway at McSorley's wonderful saloon and Grill in Toronto. And on Thursday, our next show day, we have The Great Rochester, Minnesota Big Pharma City Meetup at 5:00 at Little Thistle Brewing Company in Rochester, Minnesota. Let's see what else this before the year ends. The 13th, Eagle, Idaho and Indianapolis, Indiana. The 18th, Charlotte, North Carolina. The 20th, Fort Wayne, Indiana. The 20th. Also Anaheim, California. And on December 26th, Clovis, California. And then we'll start a brand new year. You can find all of these no agenda meetups where you will find connection that gives you ultimate protection. Your first responders. In any emergency, you will meet them at a no agenda meetup. Go to no agendameetups.com, find one near you. If you can't, no problem. Set it up, set one yourself and list it right there on no agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Meetups. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

You wanna be where you won't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the.

[Adam Curry]

Same.

It's like a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party. Yeah, baby. We got John's tip of the day coming up. We have some AI slop for our end of show mix. And of course we always like to find our end of show ISO at this spot in the show. I have four actually today. Shall I go.

[Adam Curry]

First? Oh.

[News Reporter]

Yeah. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Amazing. This is awesome.

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good. Yeah, we had this.

[Adam Curry]

One. This is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Psyop.

I like this.

[Adam Curry]

One. That was a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Banger. And I think. I think this is my.

[News Reporter]

Favorite. Oh my God. These guys are so, so.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hot. Come on. That's an.

[Adam Curry]

ISO.

Did you make that.

[John C. Dvorak]

One? No.

[Adam Curry]

No. You actually clipped that from.

[John C. Dvorak]

Somewhere. No, someone clipped it for me. It's Elisha Cross. Elisha.

[News Reporter]

Cross. Oh my God. These guys Are so.

[Adam Curry]

Hot. Okay. I'm not playing mine. I'm pushing them off because you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can have it because that one was so.

[Adam Curry]

Good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He wins once again. But before we do anything, here's John's tip of the.

[Adam Curry]

Day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam. And we know what we're. We've been waiting for.

[Adam Curry]

It. Yeah. Knives, Knives, knives, knives. All right. There's a. Luckily there's a. Okay. The best knife. The knife market has changed so much over the years. The Germans dominating the scene, but the Japanese own the place now.

And I have to say right now, the knife. If I was going to buy a knife, I'd go to Amazon and get the Shan Zoo 8 inch chef knife. The one that's on sale 44% off is 49 bucks, which is cheap because this is a 67 layer Damascus knife. In other words, has been folded 67.

[John C. Dvorak]

Times.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

And it's 49 bucks. It's a steel. Now I have another.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knife. Wow, that's a pretty.

[Adam Curry]

Knife. Yeah, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Know. I'm adding it to my cart right.

[Adam Curry]

Away. I think you buy it now while they still have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Them.

[Adam Curry]

Yep. So. Because it's the sale price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. A couple of things you should note. One, I'm buying it right now. This sort of knife is not sharp. You can't use a device I recommended recently to sharpen a knife like.

[John C. Dvorak]

This. This is.

[Adam Curry]

Carbon. This is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Carbon. You can't even sharpen that, can.

[Adam Curry]

You? No, you can sharpen it, but you need a stone.

You need a real good Japanese sharpening stone. So this is problem number one with this knife. That's why I have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Secondary. But I already bought.

[Adam Curry]

It. Good. Well, you should have this knife. It won't go dull right away, but get a stone. Because once you learn how to use a stone to sharpen knives, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unbelievable. A whetting.

[Adam Curry]

Stone. Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So you'd have that now with knives like this, I have to that say, I recommend to the highest degree a pair of chainmail gloves. These aren't really knives as much as they are razor.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blades. Chainmail.

[Adam Curry]

Gloves. So you can go to Amazon has them, but they're all over the place. Look up chainmail gloves. These are gloves you can wear. They're usually made out of weavable stainless steel. And I have a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pair. It's like chainmail. So you can't cut your finger.

[Adam Curry]

Off. You can't cut your finger off. I use the chainmail gloves a lot when I'm Using the real French mandolin that I have. I have a real big giant one. Not the little Japanese wimpy mandolin, but a big one, a big boy, all steel. And you have to have some, you have to have some protection when you're using these things. You're gonna kill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yourself. So you hear that Tina? She's lefty. Whenever I see her cutting something, it's the oddest thing. It just makes me so.

[Adam Curry]

Uncomfortable. Well, with this knife here is you're gonna get really uncomfortable when you, when you cut it for the first. This is the kind of, of knife that you could hold up kind of in the air and throw a tomato at it and go right through.

[John C. Dvorak]

It.

[Adam Curry]

Whoa. That's the kind of knife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'm keeping it under lock and key. I'm not letting.

[Adam Curry]

My. It's one of those knives. It's one of those things. Now that said, I have a second one other thing to note. With Japanese products, without exception, pretty much price equals quality. And that's why this knife at 49 bucks is actually ridiculously cheap because it's, it's been discounted, which is unusual. So. But the more you spend for a Damascus knife, the better they are. Okay, so here's the secondary recommendation. I want to kill all the time, but this is a knife block set with 14.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pieces. Wow, what's it.

[Adam Curry]

Called? This is a $62 deal. It's not even marked down that much. This is, I have one of these knives from this company. This is the knife block set from thick shot F I K S H O T. And they're a one piece knife, they're very light. And it's a, it's a, it's the go. You can use the sharpening device on these knives and you get a whole set for 62 bucks of above. Six steak knives, a chef's knife, a bunch of knives, a paring knife, you get a bunch of knives. And I think that knowing the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quality of these scissors and the gear, you.

[Adam Curry]

Scissors. And he gets a scissors and you get a block. Unfortunately, the block's a piece of crap. But except for the, the block that holds the knives, you got some nice cheap knives that would make a terrific gift. Ah, I wouldn't gift them anybody a Damascus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knife. I think it's a stocking.

[Adam Curry]

Stuffer. Well, if you have a big stocking. So I would. So those are the nice things that you should know about. But a stone, you need a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stone. Get your alpha stone, people. And that is the long awaited John C. Dvorak knife tip of the day. Get them all at tip of the.

[Adam Curry]

Day.Net.

And sometimes Adam created by Dana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bernetti. Aren't you glad you stuck around for that? I am. Been waiting for it for weeks, if not.

[Adam Curry]

Months. Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please. Tipoftheday.net Someone said, hey man, you can make money by having an Amazon affiliate code. I said, no, that would ruin the whole concept of our show. Don't make money off your affiliate sales. Want to give you tips for good things, cheap products that are great. Like a knife that could slice your finger off. Children, use with caution.

End of show mixes. We've got MVP sandwiching a Bonnelled Crabtree.

[Adam Curry]

Mix.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. And of course, this will be the opening number, the first mix you'll hear to our Broadway musical. So be on the lookout for that in the original soundtrack in store soon. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country. Yesterday we lit the Christmas tree. We had our Christmas concert here on Mark Plotz. We are Christmas central for America. Everybody in the morning. I'm Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dvorak. We'll be back here on Thursday. Please do join us. And if you plan on coming, visit noagendadonations.com first to keep the value for value going. Until then, adios mofos. Who we hooey and such. Let's start the.

[Adam Curry]

Show. Showtime. Showtime. Lights down. Hit it. It's the no agenda Broadway.

[News Reporter]

Show. The news arrives in sound bites tight a finished polished tail they spin.

[John C. Dvorak]

The slant in black and white and.

[Adam Curry]

Hope the truth will fail.

We don't report, we don't condemn but peel the layers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. We deconstruct the roots and stem.

[Adam Curry]

Right off the beaten track. We seek the storm underneath the motives lying deep with a and hope the truth will fade. We don't report, we don't condemn but peel the layers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Back. We deconstruct the roots and stem.

[Adam Curry]

Right off the beaten track. We seek the story underneath the motives lying deep with original research beneath the secret that they keep. No politics to hold our hand just facts we aim to show for realistic objectives Understanding this is the seed.

[John C. Dvorak]

We sow Our producers pay the freight.

[Adam Curry]

The value for value way we keep.

[John C. Dvorak]

The mission strong and straight to fight the sland each day we use the humor and the jest to pierce the foggy.

[Adam Curry]

Haze. So step inside and put the news to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Old.

The headlines lie, the media bends.

[Adam Curry]

But knowledge sets you free. Welcome, dear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Producers.

Welcome dear producer. The construction never.

[Adam Curry]

Ends.

Is watching you.

Your face has been id.

Your arrest is guaranteed.

Africa is now inside the melting part.

[John C. Dvorak]

India.

Running.

[Adam Curry]

Brain rot energy crisis we dissolve it let's be real gather up new migrants into giant house to wheels future.

Solutions.

[John C. Dvorak]

For modern.

[Adam Curry]

Times.

Saving people money and cutting down our on cry.

And like look I, I mean.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. I'm a huge fan of.

[Adam Curry]

Nuts. He loves his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nuts. I love my nuts. And what like all, all different kinds of nuts. Big ones, little ones, lumpy ones with flavoring on them like I, I have I. It's one of the staples of my diet and but I've always liked pecans and.

[Adam Curry]

Walnuts. Yeah, I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. I think maybe we should just stop for a second. I've had a request from the.

[Adam Curry]

Boardroom I to need to play it Just go for.

[John C. Dvorak]

It. John, tell us your pet peeve about the fisting method of eating peanuts on the plane. I see this on the airplane and it's very annoying and I think.

[Adam Curry]

It will result in fights breaking out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because it's just so annoying to watch. Guy takes his bag of peanuts.

[Adam Curry]

And throws a pile of them into his palm of his hand and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

He makes a fist around the nuts.

[Adam Curry]

And then he shakes his fist to try to bring a nut to the little and then he throws a nut in his mouth from his fist. Then he does it again.

He shakes and throws and shakes and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Throws. He shakes and.

[Adam Curry]

Throws.

It is annoying as hell to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Watch.

Audios mofo dvorak.org na oh my.

[News Reporter]

God, these guys are so hot.