1826 - "Sauerkraut Kid"

Summary

---

No Agenda Show Episode 1826 - "Sauerkraut Kid"

Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak

---

Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Adam and John deconstruct the week's top media narratives, highlight the latest political scandals and media manipulations, and discuss everything from government psy-ops and international intrigue to the state of podcasting and society's shifting relationship with technology. Packed with sharp banter, media analysis, conspiracy deconstruction, and plenty of laughs, this nearly three-hour episode zeroes in on topics like Trump’s latest executive orders, the Suzy Wiles / Vanity Fair hit piece, breaking Ukraine-Russia news, fentanyl policy, the evolution of the Oscars, culture-war podcasting, AI, and more.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

California's Decline & Oil Exodus

• John jokes about being the only one left who likes California, as the hosts lament the continued exodus of refineries and companies due to unfavorable policies.
  • “California sucks!” – Adam (00:30)

Trump Reclassifies Marijuana

• Trump executes an order reclassifying marijuana for medicinal use, prompting jokes about political pandering and personal anecdotes about the productivity change after quitting cannabis.
  • “President Trump has reclassified marijuana as what? As good for your breakfast.” – Adam (00:43)
  • Adam has been productive since quitting weed: "It's pretty amazing how that works, huh?" (01:34)

Sophisticated Google Scam Call

• Adam describes receiving a sophisticated scam call allegedly from Google. The scammer uses industry jargon and even tries to spoof Google Workspace MX records, demonstrating the increasing sophistication of phishing attempts.
  • “It was not like some Indian chappie, you know, it was a, sounded like a white woman.” – Adam (04:18)
  • The duo dissects how the fraud worked, noting how the "sites.google.com" domain gave false confidence to the intended victim.
  • “If you’re naive about it, it gives you confidence because it’s got google.com in there…” – John (05:53)
  • Takeaway: The internet is rife with sophisticated scams, and neither hosts trust—or like—Google or modern platforms.

The Susie Wiles / Vanity Fair “Hit Piece”

• In-depth analysis of a Vanity Fair article about Susie Wiles, Trump's chief of staff. The piece is dissected as a possible “psy-op” rather than just a simple hit job, with the hosts playing and critiquing coverage from ABC, CBS, NBC, cable news, and the networks’ selective quoting.
  • Susie gave 11 interviews over a year, leading to speculation about intent.
  • Trump and J.D. Vance’s reactions are framed as clever media jiu-jitsu, possibly deliberate.
  • "If you’re going for a hit job, you don’t have a subject, you have a target." – Adam (33:29)
  • "I think the whole thing was a scam. I think she was part of it. She’s smart.” – John (41:01)
  • The hosts highlight how selective editing and out-of-context quotations are standard hit-piece tactics.

Fentanyl: Declared a Weapon of Mass Destruction

• Trump’s executive order reclassifying fentanyl as a WMD sparks analysis about its legal and rhetorical impact. Fox and CNN's coverage compared, with historical reference to Russia’s use of fentanyl analog in the 2002 Moscow theater hostage crisis.
  • “I think you can make an argument... seeing as 80,000 people a year die from it, that it is a weapon of mass destruction.” – Adam (55:28)
  • CNN argues the move is “symbolic” and legally shaky.

Venezuela: Blockades, War Rumors, and the “Bait and Switch”

• Reports swirl that Trump intends to wage war in Venezuela, causing pre-speech speculation. The actual announcement: a blockade of sanctioned Venezuelan oil tankers.
  • “Was this one of those, ‘let’s tell a few selective people this and see where it leaks out’?” – Adam (43:30)
  • Blockade ties to longstanding U.S. oil asset disputes with Venezuela and Chevron, with the UN issuing a standard de-escalation call.

“Turtle Island Liberation Front” Bomb Plot

• Authorities foil a supposed bombing plot in California, but the hosts express deep cynicism about the reality of the threat, examining the affidavit and suggesting the bust is mostly performative security theater.
  • “This is horse manure. … Fear mongering from the FBI.” – Adam (59:08)
  • “The FBI’s got… their marching orders. … It’s good for business, and it keeps newbies in.” – John (62:08)

Candace Owens, Media Ops & Right-Wing Podcast Wars

• AI and real sound-alike clips parodying Candace Owens are highlighted, along with her claims of being targeted in military-grade psy-ops.
  • “There’s an op to discredit and get rid of Candace Owens…” – John (66:52)
• Broader look at “audience capture” among culture-war podcasters like Tucker, Dave Smith, and Nick Fuentes. The hosts argue the new right-wing influencer class is driven more by audience demands than core principles.
  • “It’s audience capture, and we don’t do that.” – Adam (73:21)

Ukraine-Russia Escalation, Stolen Oligarch Assets, and MI6 Recruiting

• Explores EU/UK efforts to seize frozen Russian assets — focusing on Chelsea FC sale proceeds — and distribute them to Ukraine, with skepticism about the legal and moral precedent.
  • BBC clips and EU minister quotes analyzed; excitement about “stealing money” exposed.
• New MI6 chief’s speech is critiqued, including a bizarre call for Python coders.
  • “We will become as comfortable with lines of code as we are with human sources. As fluent in Python as we are in multiple other languages.” – MI6 chief quoted by Adam (93:27)
• Widespread apathy among European youth regarding military conscription is compared to American warmongering attitudes.
  • “That’s the German noodle, sauerkraut kid.” – Adam (100:14)

The Oscars Defect to YouTube

• Announced move of the Oscars to YouTube in 2029 is discussed both pragmatically (no more linear broadcast constraints) and as emblematic of the decline of TV and legacy institutions.
  • “The Oscars have aired on ABC for half a century…” – CBS quoted (110:28)

Culture, Dating, and the Male Rebellion

• Listeners respond to Adam and John’s confusion about “dudes not wanting chicks,” citing unrealistic expectations and systemic shifts in dating, as well as a new covert “white male victimhood” op in media.
  • “Rules of six are a thing…” – Listener (121:57)
  • John suggests there’s a coordinated push to get white men to vocalize their grievances, while Adam argues women have been “opt” — made lonely and entitled through media manipulation.

Tech Slop: AI, App Fatigue, Scam Calls

• General disgust with modern internet culture: subscription fatigue, algorithmic manipulation, content bans, security breaches, and “spam calls.”
  • “YouTube is full of ads… Everything uses AI. … This content was removed. This website was removed. This feature only exists for Apple… Spam call, spam call…” (201:04 - post-show mix)

Podcasting, Value for Value, and No Agenda Culture

• The hosts passionately defend their value-for-value model, contrasting it with “audience capture” or dependency on platforms like YouTube.
  • “We don’t do it for the YouTube money. … We want to actually give you our opinions, which are often counter to the popular narrative.” – Adam (74:09)
• Extensive appreciation for the No Agenda production community (artists, meetups, donations) and derisive but loving banter with their art contributors.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you’re going for a hit job, you don’t have a subject, you have a target.” – Adam, dissecting journalism language (33:29)
• “From a confidence… [pause] and I like the sites that Google. Excellent, excellent work.” – John, regarding scam call effectiveness (07:58)
• “Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.” – J.D. Vance, full response played (25:26)
• “You can’t automate the magic, Nick / You can’t compute the joy / An AI doesn’t know the love inside a wooden toy…” – End-of-show parody song (198:48)
• “Python. Hey, Ma’am, Rust is the new language. What are you talking Python for?” – Adam mocks MI6 chief’s recruitment call (93:27)
• “That’s the German noodle, sauerkraut kid.” – Adam, on youth opposition to conscription (100:14)
• “Wow. Give these two guys a bonus.” – End-of-show AI-generated ISO (191:33)

---

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Scam call from “Google” dissected: 03:00 – 08:12
• Vanity Fair / Susie Wiles hit piece & 3x3 news comparison: 08:40 – 41:27
• Venezuela war rumors, Trump speech, & blockade: 43:28 – 48:14
• Fentanyl reclassified as WMD: 50:36 – 55:29
• Turtle Island Liberation Front “bomb plot”: 55:43 – 62:59
• MI6 chief’s recruitment & Ukraine/Russia updates: 90:02 – 96:39, 85:20 – 88:34
• Dating, male rebellion, and cultural “ops”: 121:45 – 127:39
• Oscars move to YouTube & media deconstruction: 110:48 – 114:15
• Donation/producer segment (skip for content): 138:02 – 160:22
• End-of-show AI/ISO showdown: 190:01 – 191:55
• Original song and tech slop parody: 197:28 – 202:38

---

Tone and Language

The show maintains its signature irreverent, skeptical, and conspiratorial tone throughout, marked by sharp wit, sarcastic jabs at politicians/press, and meta-commentary on the media industry. The hosts mix humor with precise media analysis and occasionally vulnerable personal anecdotes, alternating rants with self-deprecation and comic relief.

---

For First-Time Listeners

This episode provides an excellent cross-section of No Agenda’s core theme — media deconstruction with a jaundiced, comedic, and politically agnostic eye. From subtle cues in news language to the big picture of global power games, Curry and Dvorak’s banter will leave new listeners entertained, informed, and questioning everything they thought they knew about the week’s news.

---

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

It's got a big knob.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

It's Thursday, December 18, 2025. This is your award winning Get One Nation Media Assassination Episode 1826.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

The six week cycle is back and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm Adam Curry from northern Silicon Valley where the oil refineries are leaving California. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

It's crackpot and buzzkill in the. Well, that wasn't spectacular news. We know they're leaving. It sucks. California sucks. No one wants to be there anymore except you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I love it here.

[Adam Curry]

For some reason, for some reason I see on the quad screens as we speak. President Trump has reclassified marijuana as what? As good for your breakfast.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think they did this with an executive order.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you know, he's such a teetotaler, I just thought he'd be neutral on the whole thing.

[Adam Curry]

Kids, vote for me, vote for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Weed free.

[Adam Curry]

Weed free weed, kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[Adam Curry]

Well, look, RFK junior's there. So it's about, you know, the medicinal properties and goodness of marijuana, which I can attest to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you can for well over.

[Adam Curry]

I think for 47 years I felt very good from smoking weed, but I got real productive once I stopped. It's pretty amazing how that, how that works, huh? Yeah, shocker. I got super productive. You know, I have this quad screen. Do you ever watch the quad screen on YouTube TV? Yeah, so they make it hard to find. It's always.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can put them together. If you looked at the bottom of the menus, you can make your own quad screens.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, I've tried to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I've done it a number of.

[Adam Curry]

Times, but that option only showed up once. And I like the Fox, CNN, MS, now BBC screen. But they'll put it seven levels down, so you got to scroll down and then sometimes they'll mix it up like, oh, here, try some sports quad screens.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go. Most of his sports, quad screen. Yeah, but that's where it came from.

[Adam Curry]

But I like the news squad. I think it's because they don't want me to do it. They, they don't, because they. It's probably, it's four streams. Maybe it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, of course it is.

[Adam Curry]

They hate me. They hate me because of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Ed Curry guy keeps using this, this little feature we got here.

[Adam Curry]

That's Google, by the way. I got a cool scam call from Google.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got a scam call from. It wasn't from Google.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So my phone rang, it showed up as Google in the, in the screen.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which I thought says Google. Right?

[Adam Curry]

It says Google. Yeah. And of course right away I knew this can never be Google because Google doesn't call anybody ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't call them.

[Adam Curry]

No. So I answered and it's a machine saying, you know, we have an illegal login from Toronto. If this was you, you can hang up. If it wasn't you press one. I'm like, I'm in a good mood. One A representative will call you back. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, that's plus.

[Adam Curry]

And so maybe a minute later I get a call from also from a 650-number which the first one was 650 as well. But this didn't have, didn't say Google. So that was a little minus point and I'm kicking myself, I should have recorded it. A very well spoken young lady on the phone and she was from Google safety and security team. And we see this login, was that you? I said no, it wasn't from Toronto. And she had my phone number and she had my adamccurry.com email address.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right there's the dossier and everybody. And it floats around so they all have it. So don't be ever be surprised that they have your address.

[Adam Curry]

So I just. No, of course not. So I just wanted to see how far we could go. But it was, it was not like some Indian chappie, you know, it was a, sounded like a white woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't some Indian guy named Steve?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no. And she was very pleasant as we understand Ms. Mr. Curry. And yeah, we, let's get this resolved. And I said, well, did they get my password? She says no, they didn't get your password because I see you have two factor authentication on your account. Okay, say, well good, thanks. Thanks for keeping me safe. See the only thing we need to do is we need to. Because this person keeps opening tickets in our trouble ticket system. We need you to close it out. Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good one. This is very creative.

[Adam Curry]

So how do I do that? I want you to go to the following address sites.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always here.

[Adam Curry]

We were right here. Hello, sites.google.com close-ticket I'm like. And I say to her, yeah, but that's just where you can host a public website on, on Google. I mean that, that doesn't sound very official. He said, did you type it in? I said yeah, I Did. Okay, now can you close the ticket? I said, I can't. Oh, why not? Say I have a login screen. Oh, yeah, just log in. I'm like, that doesn't seem like a good idea, ma'. Am. Like, if this is just a public website, then you might capture my email address and my password.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the use of sites.google.com because it does. Because if you're naive about it, it gives you confidence because it's got google.com in there, even though it's like some obvious system.

[Adam Curry]

I said, well, maybe you should show me that you're really from Google. Well, I just sent you an email with your code. So I look at my email, There's a. From [e-mail] okay, spoof that. Didn't look at the headers, but I knew it was spoofed. No link to do anything with it. Said, okay, I got a code. Said, now can you close out the ticket with that code? Yeah, but I'm not going to log into sites.google.com and I said, what email address did you send this to? To Adamccurry.com. said, that's not my Google email. My Gmail address. Well, yes, it is. I said, no. Yes, you have your site hosted by Google Workspace. Okay, so now she's in deep water because I don't, obviously. And in fact, I've been very careful never to link my AdamCurry.com to Gmail or anything like that. I said, but it's not. Yes, it is. She's arguing with me now. Yes, your site is hosted by Google Workspace. I see the MX record. Whoa. Now that's sophisticated. Said, so you. Yes, I see the MX record has our email servers now. This is not true. And I read her the MX record as I pull it up. I said, you know what? I'll make it okay with you. Just send me an email from you@a google.com email address, not Gmail or Google. And then I'd be more inclined to believe you. Now, at that point, we're 15, 20 minutes. And she hung up.

[John C. Dvorak]

But just hung up?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Oh, you just disconnected? Didn't even say.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, she probably kicked herself or talked to you at all.

[Adam Curry]

She didn't say you a hole or anything?

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it when they cuss you out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, she. She just gave up. But. But in general, I'd say it's pretty sophisticated. From a confidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds pretty good. Yeah, from.

[Adam Curry]

Like that. From a confidence.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I like the sites that Google. Excellent, excellent work.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, good work. Foiled again. But man, it just show you how crap everything is. It really. Everything sucks. The whole Internet, everything just blows.

[John C. Dvorak]

It always has.

[Adam Curry]

It's gotten worse.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beginning of Usenet since they banned advertising.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Started with Usenet. They let advertisers in.

[Adam Curry]

That's where it all started. Oh, man. So we have a couple things we can address right off the bat. I would suggest either since you have a three by three, maybe we should start with Wiles because I think that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is kind of cute. This is Susie Wiles.

[Adam Curry]

Let me play the jingle first. And now it's time for three by three. Hey, baby. Experiment by jcd Comparing stories from abc, CBS and NBC. The never ending Three by three. I have thoughts about this too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm sure you do, because I do too. Everybody does.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody's got thoughts.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the thing is, is like, was this a plan? Was this done on purpose? Was Susie Wells naive? Because everybody goes around the table saying, well, she should have known better to talk to Vanity Fair. They're out to. They're just a bunch of screwballs that hate Republicans and she shouldn't have done the interview. And then somebody else brings up, well, she got, she did 11 interviews. It wasn't just one.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no, it was almost a year. I think she was talking to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's yakking away for a while and then, and then nobody stabbed her in the back after the came out, which was Kelly McEnaney said that most remarkable thing was typically when they, when somebody is wounded in one of these hit pieces there, a bunch of stuff starts showing up about, you know, people behind the scenes saying, yeah, she's worse than that if you buy. And none of that occurred. So she thought that was pretty good, which makes me think the whole thing is an op. And then you had come back lines from both JD Vance and Trump that were stunners.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I mean, Trump's was the best, but J.D. vance's little thing on conspiracy theories is fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

Well, can I just frame this for a moment? Because it's Vanity Fair. The editor, global editorial director, Mark Guiducci. Guiducci, yes. Guiduc Guduci, born in America but educated in London, considers himself to be British Polish. As part of his. His background, he has the global mandate for the. As global editorial director and under Guiduci's leadership, Vanity Fair has leaned back into its roots as the primary chronicler of British monarchy for an American audience. The Royal Watch tradition. Where did you get that quote from Google.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's okay. So, Yes, I appreciate that.

[Adam Curry]

Nexus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hit job. Total hit. Remember, he's under Anna Wintour's oversight. Who is.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the worst. She's the one who turned Teen Vogue became a Marxist magazine. They had to fold it finally.

[Adam Curry]

LGBTQ nutjob magazine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, mostly, but Marxist, they actually had articles on why Marxism is great.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Teen Vogue.

[Adam Curry]

So. But this is, to me, this is a typical North Sea Nexus hit job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But it. I don't think it worked. But.

[Adam Curry]

No, but a long game, though. Long game.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's just one of those things. You throw this stuff, you just, you start, you pile on. But so the media, they kind. Or the mainstream, three by three people, they, they come. You know, they're not totally in the bag for it, but. And it's semi balanced. But let's listen to. Let's listen to these three networks talk about the same thing, starting with abc.

[Adam Curry]

She is President Trump's most powerful and trusted aide, more comfortable behind the scenes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Than in the spotlight. Suzy likes to stay sort of in the back, let me tell you. The ice baby. We call her the Ice Baby.

[Adam Curry]

But tonight, White House Chief of Staff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Susie Wiles pulling back the curtain in.

[Adam Curry]

An extraordinary series of interviews with Vanity Fair. Wiles, who says her father was an alcoholic, describes her boss, the President, as having an alcoholic's personality, noting that Trump, who does not drink, operates with the view that there's nothing he can't do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing. Zero, nothing.

[Adam Curry]

Wiles also has choice words for Vice President J.D.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vance, discussing the push to release the.

[Adam Curry]

FBI files into sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wiles says Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade.

[Adam Curry]

Vance today responding. Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true. Yeah. Wiles also points a finger at Attorney General Pam Bondi. Wow. They didn't play the whole bit where he said he talked about the different conspiracy theories. That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the whole bit where he goes on. On Biden. It gave him an opportunity to go off. Yeah. It was momentous. And the networks, of course, oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

We'Re not going to play that. We can't play that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not going to play that. Wiles also points a finger at Attorney.

[Adam Curry]

General Pam Bondi saying Bond completely whiffed her handling of demands to release the files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Wiles telling Vanity Fair there is no client list and it sure as hell wasn't on Bondi's desk. She does acknowledge the President himself is in the Epstein files, but not doing anything awful. She says the two men were sort of young, single playboys together.

[John C. Dvorak]

I never went to the island. And Bill Clinton went there, supposedly.

[Adam Curry]

28 times.

[John C. Dvorak]

She also says this claim about Clinton is not true. Wiles telling Vanity Fair there is no evidence Clinton ever visited Epstein's private island.

[Adam Curry]

And David Wiles also acknowledges that the President has sought retribution against some of.

[John C. Dvorak]

His enemies, saying, quote, when there's an.

[Adam Curry]

Opportunity, he will go for it. Tonight. Wiles calls the article a disingenuously framed hit piece. Though she doesn't deny saying these things, it warrants mentioning that Chris Whipple. Chris Whipple. Whipple, who did this article, he literally wrote the book on previous chiefs of staff. So I think there was probably a little bit of pride or ego, something going on there with Susie Wiles. I forget what the book is called, but he went back and interviewed, like 20 different chiefs of staff for presidents, and it was, it was a well received book. So, you know, he, he came with credit credentials.

[John C. Dvorak]

He had credentials. But doesn't mean even the most credentialed journalists will do a hit piece for money.

[Adam Curry]

Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you. You do it. I do it. You did it. You did it all the time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you are.

[Adam Curry]

You were the Mac hitman. I'm gonna hit Mac again. I'm gonna shoot those Mac people.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was hired to do nasty pieces.

[Adam Curry]

That's what I'm saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

He looked on the masthead of that magazine and said, anti Editor.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who many people have ever held that title.

[Adam Curry]

You are an amazing man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, it's astonishing. We'll move alphabetical order. We'll go to cbs.

[Adam Curry]

Susie Wiles offered a stunning assessment of the central characters in the White House, starting with her boss saying President Trump has an alcoholic's personality. A notable comment from the daughter of NFL and CBS sports legend Pat Summerall, who famously struggled with alcoholism. Wiles says Trump has a view that there's nothing he can't do. Nothing. Zero, nothing. As for Vice President Vance, Wiles says he's been a conspiracy theorist for a decade. He made today exactly the same in Pennsylvania. Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wiles also had words for Elon Musk.

[Adam Curry]

An avowed ketamine user. An odd, odd duck. It's mostly just a lot of hard work. And she said she was initially aghast when Musk dismantled USAID as part of his cost cutting Doge program. No rational person could think the USAID process was a good one. She said nobody on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal that has dogged the White House. Wiles said the President wasn't telling the truth when he accused former President Bill Clinton of visiting the convicted sex offender's private island. There's no evidence, she said, the President was wrong about that. The White House today tried to discredit author Chris Whipple, who says he conducted 11 interviews with Wiles over the course of a year. This is unfortunately another example of disingenuous reporting where you have a reporter who took the chief of staff's words wildly out of context, did not include the context those conversations were had within. Wiles also pointed to moments where she tried unsuccessfully to change the President's mind. She urged him not to pardon the most violent offenders during the January 6th insurrection, to hold off on imposing massive tariffs on US allies this past spring, and to end his score settling against critics after 90 days in office. Wiles, who's popular across the administration and close with the President, called the article a quote, disingenuously framed hit piece. And what does the President make of all this? Well, he told the New York Post this afternoon, quote, she's done a fantastic job. So, as a former hit hitman, hit piece writer, hired, hired gun, how does this work?

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you.

[Adam Curry]

Is. Do they just really pull quotes out of context? Because I can see where she might have said, well, J.D. vance is a conspiracy theorist, but, man, he's been right a couple of times. Is that how it's done? You just take that piece? Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

You just. It's selective editing. Citation. It's very common. I mean, I had a hit piece done on me, and I know why.

[Adam Curry]

I've been doing hit pieces on you for 18 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but you're no good at it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, tell us about that. This is another story. I don't know. Tell us about the hit piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

I had written a very nasty remark, some nasty remarks about Negro. John is. No, not that Negro. No, the one that was running the MIT Media lab.

[Adam Curry]

Nicholas. Nicholas Negroponte.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nicholas. I wrote a scathing article about the whole lab being a big phony baloney operation. And I put it. It was in the Deck Professional, a very minor magazine only the aficionados read. And Negropani ended up at some position or other at Wired. I remember that.

[Adam Curry]

I remember that. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So to get back at me, he had Paulina Borsuk do a hit piece on me.

[Adam Curry]

What was the hit piece? What did it say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Paulina could never pull it off. I wined and dined her. I took her to a. She's a vegan. Or vegetarian. I took her to a vegetarian restaurant to talk over some of the stuff. I just. I did. I can. I can put on a charm offensive, but.

[Adam Curry]

Did you know she was going to write a hit piece?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. It was. She was. She. I think she hinted at me that she was. She was writing a hit piece.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's not right.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, it was. She was. It didn't work out. And they try. And the piece was. It was semi successful in a couple of moments, but it didn't get. Didn't do it. It didn't. It was. It actually became a pretty complimentary.

[Adam Curry]

Let me guess. It's like he was wrong about the mouse. He was wrong about the iPad. He's no good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was. It wasn't like it was similar, but it was it. But it was in what. They ran it as a. As a profile and Wired and they brought it. They brought out a photographer to make me look like an idiot. Wanted me to do something, and I. By the way, this is for anybody.

[Adam Curry]

Put on the clown nose. It'll be great.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. For anybody out there. You know this more than anybody, probably, but you have to. When you're having your photo taken for some article or something, do not let the photographer badger you into stupid stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just say no.

[Adam Curry]

Why don't you hold this mouse upside down? It'll look great in the shot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can you stick your tongue out? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, there's another good one. Yes. Can you stick your tongue out? Look really surprised.

[John C. Dvorak]

So. So. So I avoided that part of it. No.

[Adam Curry]

Good for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so the East. I still got. He still got a funny picture of me, but it was okay. I actually. It was so interesting, the photo. I had him send me a copy. So.

[Adam Curry]

All right, back. Back to the hit piece from Vanity Fair.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this. So, yes. It's very easy to do. It's. You know, it doesn't take. You're gonna do 11 interviews. You can get more than enough material to do a beautiful hit piece.

[Adam Curry]

They never needed to do a hit piece on you. Just rerun the YouTube video of you trying to put that IBM PC back together.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's my favorite PS2.

[Adam Curry]

It should work. Hold on a second. I just need a screwdriver and a soldering iron. I can do this. It should.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they all snap back into place. It was dynamite. Except that one.

[Adam Curry]

It's a great clip. Hey, if that's all that you did wrong, beside the mouse and the iPad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thing, it turns out. I'll give you another story about me. So, David Renson, who used to do these profiles. He used to be the writer for Playboy magazine. And somehow along the lines when I was cranking out all these books Renson got, I was targeted to be profiled by PC magazine. I'm sorry, by Playboy in this 40 questions. They had some gimmicky thing called 20 questions or something. Yeah, I forgot what it was years ago.

[Adam Curry]

It's like you think you're going to be the main interview, but you're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what, what, it doesn't matter because Renson comes over and we end up talking about writing and all kinds of stuff. And eventually it turns out, which I told him, I said I'm too, I'm actually kind of boring for this sort of article. You're not going to, it's not going to be very good. And he agreed. He agreed. Never got, never got written up. And it was fine with me.

[Adam Curry]

All right, I got some clips on this too. So let's play NBC and see if.

[John C. Dvorak]

They had the last story. Same story, same clip. Ok.

[Adam Curry]

There's remarkably revealing comments about President Trump from his chief of staff, Susie Wiles. Her relationship so close, the president recently suggested she's part of the family. Do you know Susie Trump, sometimes referred.

[John C. Dvorak]

To as Susie Wiles? Susie Trump.

[Adam Curry]

But tonight she's facing new scrutiny for a series of interviews with Vanity Fair about criticism the president is targeting perceived political enemies. While says I don't think he wakes up thinking about retribution, but when there's an opportunity he will go for it. She also says President Trump, who does not drink, has an alcoholics personality, adding he operates with a view that there's nothing he can't do. Calling herself an expert in big personalities. Tonight President Trump saying he agrees with her, telling the New York Post he has a possessive and addictive type personality. I'm fortunate I'm not a drinker, praising Weil, saying I read Vanity Fair, but she's done a fantastic job. Then there's the vice president who Wiles describes as a conspiracy theorist for a decade. Vance today brushing it off. Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way, Susie and I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have joked in private public about that for a long time.

[Adam Curry]

And she contradicts the president's claim. Bill Clinton visited Jeffrey Epstein's island saying there is no evidence those visits, no evidence acknowledging the president was wrong about that. Whiles tonight is strongly pushing back against the article, calling it a disingenuously framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House Staff and cabinet in history adding significant context was disregarded to paint an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative. So first I want to play some of those actual J.D. vance quotes because they were funny and of course no one, no one picked it up. But here's, here's his full answer. They literally cut this part out in that NBC piece.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, if. Susie.

[Adam Curry]

I'll trust what you said. I haven't looked at the article.

[John C. Dvorak]

I of course have heard about it.

[Adam Curry]

But conspiracy theorists, that was very slick. I think that's very slick what he said there because most of them say I haven't read the article, which of course he has. But instead he says, I'm familiar with. I haven't read the article because I'm a busy man, I'm vice president. But I, you know, of course I'm familiar with it. That is the way you, you address that instead of saying I poured over it, over my corn flakes, which you know, he did because of course you did.

[John C. Dvorak]

As like, I'll, I'll trust, I'll trust what you said.

[Adam Curry]

I haven't looked at the article.

[John C. Dvorak]

I of course have heard about it, but.

[Adam Curry]

Conspiracy theorist.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Crowd goes wild.

[John C. Dvorak]

And, and by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time. For example, I believed in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask 3 year olds at the height of the COVID pandemic.

[Adam Curry]

That we should actually let them develop some language skills.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was, was clearly unable to do the job.

[Adam Curry]

And I believed in the conspiracy theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

That Joe Biden was trying to throw.

[Adam Curry]

His political opponents in jail rather than.

[John C. Dvorak]

Win an argument against his political opponents.

[Adam Curry]

So. At least on some of these conspiracy theories, it turns out that a conspiracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Theory is just something that was true.

[Adam Curry]

Six months before the media admitted it. And that's, that's my understanding. It was good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was excellent.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, I thought it was very good. But of course that never saw the light of day. Who cares? Jen Psaki had an interesting comment in her. Does anyone watch that show? Do we even know when it's pretty much the only. It's on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The only people who watch the show are Gutfeld.

[Adam Curry]

Well, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me start with this.

[Adam Curry]

There is a little known tradition in Washington. Whenever a new administration takes office, the new president's incoming chief of staff has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dinner with all the previous chiefs of staff. Usually one of them hosts it at.

[Adam Curry]

Their house or at a restaurant or.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whatever it may be.

[Adam Curry]

And chiefs of staff from both parties attend. And they all do this so that they can offer advice to the new incoming chief of staff on how to prepare for the role. It's kind of a nice tradition through multiple different administrations of both parties. Everyone on msnbc, you'll hear a couple more. They all sound sick. There's a bug going around at NBC. You'll hear.

[John C. Dvorak]

It could be.

[Adam Curry]

It would make sense. Yeah, they're all sick. And when Trump won the election last.

[John C. Dvorak]

Year, his new chief of staff, Susie.

[Adam Curry]

Wiles, reportedly attended one of those dinners too. They each went around the table giving.

[John C. Dvorak]

Her tips, as they normally do for how to do the job. And when they got to Trump's first chief of staff, Reince Priebus, he had.

[Adam Curry]

Just one piece of advice for Susie Wiles, just one. He told her, quote, don't talk to Whipple. Yeah, well, there you go. She was warned. She was warned. Now I have to add.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now that is funny.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's very funny. I have to add, at the behest of the troll room, we have to say that Susie Wiles worked for Netanyahu. So it's possible she's a Mossad agent and is trying single handedly to bring down the President. Just have to mention that. So don't talk to Whipple. Well, the person who did talk to Whipple is our own British agent, Anderson Pooper.

[John C. Dvorak]

Joining me now is Chris Whipple in his first broadcast interview since his two part Vanity Fair piece landed. He's also the author of the New York Times bestseller, the Gatekeepers.

[Adam Curry]

It landed like a lead balloon.

[John C. Dvorak]

The White House chiefs of staff define every presidency. Chris, thanks for being with us.

[Adam Curry]

Great to be here. A lot to talk about. First of all, of all the things Sweetie Wiles told you, what surprised you the most? You know, Anderson, this was one of those cases as a reporter in your career when, when lightning strikes. And it, it was astonishing to me the extent to which she was unguarded and freewheeling on the record all the time. I've covered, as you know, I wrote a book about the Biden White House where everybody was on deep background requiring, quote, approval. Quite the opposite in this case. Susie Wiles in 11 interviews over 11 months.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how many.

[Adam Curry]

There were 11 interviews over 11 months, 11 in depth interviews in which she was on the record. Everything in the article is, was on the record. Were you recording every interview? I recorded every interview, even ones that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Were on the phone.

[Adam Curry]

There she was.

[John C. Dvorak]

There was one where she was doing laundry.

[Adam Curry]

Apparently everything is on tape.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did she know this was for Vanny Fair?

[Adam Curry]

Did she think this was for a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Long term bus that you were doing?

[Adam Curry]

She knew I was working on a book at the outset. When I told her that Vanity Fair had agreed to do a piece, to publish a piece, she was all in and enthusiastic about it. Okay, so show some transparency from the Trump White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yay.

[Adam Curry]

I'm doing laundry. You can talk to me, Whipple, no problem. Why? Because she is legendarily averse to being out front. That's why I say that this was lightning striking. It's amazing to me, first of all, I think that she is the most fascinating person in American politics. Not only because she ran a brilliant campaign and brought Trump back from the dead to win the 2024 election. She's the first female White House chief of staff. But in addition, she's kind of the Greta Garbo of White House chiefs. She's never on camera, rarely on camera, hardly ever gives interviews, and yet she did. I think it's because all I can tell you is what she told me. She felt the Trump 1.0 had been unfairly covered, that Trump was vilified during the first administration. During the first administration. She wanted a fair hearing. And I think she thought she would get one. Yeah, she thought she would get one.

[John C. Dvorak]

She thought she would get one, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Now in this next clip, he slips up and the truth comes out. Here's the fascinating thing, and that is not only is there this amazing 11 month journey that I document of Susie Wiles through this whole period, but it really goes all the way back to her childhood and her famous father, Pat Summerall, who was an alcoholic. She organized interventions with her mother to get treatment for him. He was sober for 21 years. But she learned how to deal with difficult men.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a fascinating data point that, I mean, I certainly didn't know about her, that, you know, adult children of.

[Adam Curry]

You know, people who grew up with alcohol are.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, she's in sort of the perfect job. I mean, it sort of makes sense that, that she, what she learned as.

[Adam Curry]

A little, hey, you learned how to deal with a drunk. You can deal with Trump girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

And throughout her, her life dealing with him.

[Adam Curry]

And Trump is owning it. Trump is wearing it, in effect, as a kind of badge of honor. He's saying what she meant when she said that he has an alcoholic personality is not that he's a drinker. We know that he's not, but that he has this grandiose personality. He believes that there is nothing, as she put it, nothing that he doesn't think he can do.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is saying Susie Wiles pushed back on the story on social media saying quote, significant context was disregarded.

[Adam Curry]

Actually. So that was a funny bit. But that wasn't the clip with the slip up. It's the last one here and you'll hear it. Here's the fascinating thing. And that is not only is there. Wait, isn't that the same clip? Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense. This is so good.

[John C. Dvorak]

She is saying Susie Wiles pushed back about saying stuff it crap.

[Adam Curry]

Maybe it's in this one. One of the things the White House.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is saying things were taken out of context, wildly out of context was, was.

[Adam Curry]

The quote of Levitt. Are things that are taken out of context because some of the quotes are. They're tight. I mean they're just everything. What does that even mean? Mean in. In writer speak, some of the quotes, they're tight. What does that mean?

[John C. Dvorak]

Doesn't mean anything.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Are things taken out of context? Because some of the quotes are, they're tight. I mean they're just. It's like everything is, was scrupulously in context. And, and I got to tell you, the giveaway, when you're a journalist and you hear your, the target, the subject.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

If you're going for a hit job, you don't have a subject, you have a target.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he admits it.

[Adam Curry]

He admits it right there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you caught that. That you get, in fact, you get a borderline clip of the day for catching that. That's beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

All right, let's finish this clip. Is it out of taking out of context? Because some of the quotes are, they're tight. I mean they're just. It's like everything is. Was scrupulously in context. And, and I got to tell you of the giveaway. When you're a journalist and you hear the target, the subject saying, talking about things like context and omissions, you know, you're on the right track because there isn't a single fact or a single assertion that they've challenged in the piece. It really reminds me of the Watergate days when Ben Bradlee said talked about non denial denials. This is the ultimate non denial.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not really attacking. Well, I never, I absolutely never said that.

[Adam Curry]

Although. All right, you give us some context on this. The non denial. I looked it up. The non denial denial is that some kind of. What's the term?

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea. This is all news to me. Oh, I mean, what he's saying there, you know, yes, if somebody, if you say, well, I think that really sucks, but then again it might not suck. And then the quote is, that really sucks. Yeah, I did say that. And so you can't deny it. But the non denial denial to whatever the hell that phrase is, you could say it's out of context because I also said, I also said, but sometimes it doesn't suck or whatever. I mean, this is the kind of thing when you take selective quotations and you just pull them. This is why sarcasm is a bad idea on podcasts or even in conversation or anywhere where you're being interviewed to say something sarcastic.

[Adam Curry]

They'll take the sarcastic bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

They'll just take the remark and then without the sarcastic tone. If it's played flat. I mean, Tucker Carlson has all kinds of good quotes if you don't know if they're taken out of context and they're not played as sarcasm.

[Adam Curry]

I can't do it. I can't do it. I've lost it.

[John C. Dvorak]

You lost it? I lost it. If they're taken as a direct quote rather than sarcasm, it's, it can make you sound terrible, like a terrible person.

[Adam Curry]

Let's finish this clip. Susie Wiles did at one point say.

[John C. Dvorak]

That she denied saying that, that Elon Musk is an avowed ketamine user.

[Adam Curry]

You then apparently, according to reporting, you played a tape for the New York.

[John C. Dvorak]

Times which confirmed that quote.

[Adam Curry]

It's on tape as, as is every assertion that Susie made. And, and as you know, I interviewed the inner circle as well. I talked to J.D. vance, I talked to Marco Rubio, Stephen Miller and others. All of it taped, all of it on the record. And the giveaway is that they haven't been able to challenge a single fact.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you surprised that the President is not apparently, it seems, by the police, publicly not angry with Wiles?

[Adam Curry]

Well, here's the other thing. As you say, it's not very often that you get, you get an endorsement of your quotation from the president. President, you know, he, he.

[John C. Dvorak]

The alcoholic personality.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he evidently wears that as a badge of honor. Yes, wonderful. Hate to do this, but it is worth it for the entertainment purposes. I'm sorry. Here's your warning tone.

[John C. Dvorak]

A clip from the View will be played. Shelter in place.

[Adam Curry]

Well, Susie Wiles calls the article, quote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disingenuously framed hit piece with significant context.

[Adam Curry]

Disregard it. Context.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what was she thinking when she.

[Adam Curry]

Agreed to do this when they asked the first question and you knew it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was a question that was hit piece.

[Adam Curry]

With you, why did you answer it? I know one thing that I forgot to add. She called Elon Musk an odd duck.

[John C. Dvorak]

And an avowed ketaminer.

[Adam Curry]

He sleeps sleeping bags. But then she added that she has no personal knowledge of the ketamine use.

[John C. Dvorak]

But she did call him an avowed.

[Adam Curry]

But why does he sleep. He's a multi trillionaire and he sleeps in a sleeping bed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because he's an odd duck.

[Adam Curry]

He's a very good. I would agree with that assessment. That's why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is there something wrong with sleeping in a sleeping bag?

[Adam Curry]

No. Well, no, I guess. Fine, whatever. I'm just curious if that's what he wants to do, who am I to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a billionaire.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's a very expensive sleeping bag. You know, she has also.

[Adam Curry]

Were they not prepped? Were they not prepped for this? I mean, they don't, they don't seem to have any, any, any details that they don't have good jokes that go with it. I mean, this is a scripted show. I'm kind of surprised. It seems like they weren't in on the gas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they obviously weren't read in on anything and they're just winging it. And it's not good.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They like. Then they're picking on poor musk. Odd ducky odg. That's a. That's a horrible. What a thing to say about someone.

[Adam Curry]

He sleeps in a sleeping bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

He sleeps in a sleeping bag. You know, used to Steve Jobs, the ascetic who had this big mansion in Woodside that was empty and he, when he walked around barefoot and that was it. Let the world know that there is.

[Adam Curry]

An adult in the room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was also what this is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she let the see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it was strategic in a different way. I think she's trying to help him clean up his act. Because if she says, well, you know, it was just. Just boys having fun.

[Adam Curry]

It's like, really, you know, oh, it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was just, you know, this one didn't do what she was supposed to do.

[Adam Curry]

Or this one didn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I'm on top of it all.

[Adam Curry]

I'm watching it all. I just think you're just trying to clean it up for that. She says that it's an interesting point she made that her father was an alcoholic and she understands the personality of an alcoholic. So that's why she says he has an alcoholic personality. But he doesn't drink. He's a narcissist. Has a narcissist. Narcissistic disorder.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is really the.

[Adam Curry]

What he had. But he responded to. He was not offended by it. No, he made it. He also had an alcoholic brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he got what she was saying. Yeah, he understood what she was saying.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, they're off the. They're not. They're not in the game anymore. They're out. This was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds like it.

[Adam Curry]

This was a targeted, well done, long game acknowledged hit piece because Susie Wiles was the target. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think that. I think it was played both ways. I think Susie Wiles was aware of the situation, as mentioned by the earlier clip, where she was told not to talk to this guy. And the thing was kind of a setup because there's a bunch of setup lines in there. I think one of them, the most important one is, yeah, Trump. Trump doesn't. He says it's not true, but if he's given the opportunity to take revenge on somebody, he does it. Which is an open threat to anyone who wants to go after Trump because he says he's not into revenge. But there it is. He's into revenge, so you better beware. I think that was a message that was purposely put in there and I think a lot of the stuff in there was purposely put in. He thinks he can do anything because he's. In other words, he can try anything. I think the whole thing was a scam. I think she was part of it. She's smart. Everyone says she's something of a genius in this regard. She played Whipple and the whole thing is a benefit to Trump. At the end of the day, there's lines by J.D. vance were almost prepared in advance.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, good point. Even though he didn't read the article.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, even though he didn't have to because they already told him what was going to happen. They're going to go after you, Vance, for being a conspiracy theory. Here's your lines.

[Adam Curry]

So it was really a switcheroo where they all went, nah. And you know, Whipple was probably like, ah, he's going to call me a horrible person. My star will rise. And I was like, whipple who? Yeah, that's possible.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is possible because some of the information in there was a bit threatening to the enemies.

[Adam Curry]

So last night, the President spoke to the nation.

[John C. Dvorak]

I couldn't watch it. I tried watching it. I got through about five minutes. I said, this is just another. Just another, another. So for so forth and so on speech, I've heard it before.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there was some preamble that is, that is interesting. As Tucker continues his worldwide podcast tour. He was on with Judge Knapp.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, God, there's a comedy. She brings his old Fox buddies. Because, you know, Judge Napolitano was working there when Tucker was there.

[Adam Curry]

So here's a short exchange that, that I caught yesterday. I was like, interesting thing. Is Trump going to start a war in Venezuela?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

When this program airs, the one that.

[Adam Curry]

We'Re on right now, this thinks maybe we're live now and then it'll be posted immediately. So. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So my sense is I don't know the answer.

[Adam Curry]

I, I've certainly been on the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lot about it. I have no power. I'm a podcaster. But I'm very interested. And here's what I know so far, which is that, that members of Congress were briefed yesterday that a war is coming. And it'll be announced in the address to the Nation tonight at 9 o' clock by the President. Who knows, by the way, if that will actually happen? I don't know. And I never want to overstate what I know, which is pretty limited in general, but a member of Congress told.

[Adam Curry]

Me that this morning. Okay, so let's just summarize. The word is out. The President is going to announce war with Venezuela tonight. That's why he asked for a network cut in. And this network cut in was significant. On cbs, they were running the season finale of Survivor. You know, it's kind of a big deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's a good time to do it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So for Trump, I mean, if you want to screw over cbs.

[Adam Curry]

So the question is, was this one of those, let's tell a few selective people this or maybe one, let's see where it leaks out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because I think it was done on purpose, not for. Not to see who did it, who lets it leak out. You definitely tell Tucker. But I think it was to get the audience to listen to the Trump spiel. I agree that it was what was a pre. Promotion. Promote, what do you call it, Promo. It was bait and switch is what it was.

[Adam Curry]

But it was pre recorded, obviously. And, and I think it was like, okay, Mr. President, they're probably not going to give you more than 20 minutes before they realize you're not going to announce war against Venezuela.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you got to. Yeah, that's why it was so short.

[Adam Curry]

Talk fast.

[John C. Dvorak]

Talk fast. And by the way, hold on, you made an unbelievable point there. When ever have we seen Trump talk 15 minutes. Never, never. He'd go two hours if you give him a shot at it.

[Adam Curry]

And it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, you're right, that's exactly what happened. They're going to give you, you know, they're going to kill you here after, after 15 minutes making a 15 minute promotional speech and get out.

[Adam Curry]

I think he made it 17. That's pretty much how far he got. 17 minutes. So. And it was, you know, babe, Biden sucks. We're great. We're great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sucks. We're great.

[Adam Curry]

And we're giving $1776 as a bonus to every. Everyone in the Department of War. Well, that was not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that was cute. That was cute.

[Adam Curry]

Cute, cute.

[John C. Dvorak]

1776. Get it? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And don't worry because everything's going to be great. Which. Did we get the CPI print today yet? Because that's the way I took it is. Oh, inflation must be doing. Okay, let me see, let me see.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's around 2.93.

[Adam Curry]

So that's down. That's down.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not that down.

[Adam Curry]

Economists see a lot of. Okay, all right, hold on a second. 2.0 and 2.6. Well below expectations. He knew it. He knew what was coming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Well, that number is just a number.

[Adam Curry]

Of course. It's just an. It's all bullcrap. Money's not even real. The birds aren't real. Everything's fake. Hello? Yeah, but just stick to our script, man, okay? We just like, just roll with it. That's how this is how this operates. Inflation is below 3% for the first time. Trump did it. He knew it. He knew that number was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the. Right at the beginning, Trump had the line which always bothers me when he does this. He says that inflation under Biden was the worst in 40 years, maybe the worst in history, maybe. Which is like anybody who's older than. I don't know, what was the late 70s during the 70s when the market, stock market crashed in 69 during the 1970s. 20%.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I remember in 19. See, we bought a house in New Jersey in 1991, I think. No, maybe 1990. I was paying, I think 10% interest on my mortgage.

[John C. Dvorak]

And that was low. Interest rates on mortgages went to 18 and 21 to 18 to 21% by the end of the Carter administration.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. So, yeah, and I don't like that either. It's always like, ah, but when he says maybe, okay, that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but he knows better. He was there for the inflation of. He was there.

[Adam Curry]

He was there for the, the crash of 32. What are you talking about? He was there for all of it. He's been around.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he has to stop doing that.

[Adam Curry]

So then we get the. Just sticking with the North Sea nexus for a moment. Then we get the blockade because we're not going to war. But what are we doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome back.

[Adam Curry]

Live now from Fox. I'm Shauna Khalafi with some breaking news. I only chose her because she actually read part of his Truth post from President Trump. He is ordering a blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers into Venezuela, ramping up pressure on Maduro. This is a post from President Trump on Truth Social just a short while ago. He said Venezuela is completely surrounded by.

[John C. Dvorak]

The largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America.

[Adam Curry]

It will only be get bigger and.

[John C. Dvorak]

The shock to them will be like.

[Adam Curry]

Nothing they have ever seen before until such time as they return to the.

[John C. Dvorak]

United States of America all of the oil, land and other assets that they previously stole from us.

[Adam Curry]

The illegitimate Maduro regime is using oil from the stolen oil fields to finance themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Drug, terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping for the theft of our assets and.

[Adam Curry]

Many other reasons, including terrorism, drugs, drug.

[John C. Dvorak]

Smuggling and human trafficking. The Venezuelan regime has been designated a foreign terrorist organization.

[Adam Curry]

So I just want to add some context to this because people forget things. And you know, you do a show like this for almost two decades, you remember stuff like the horrible things Michelle Reiner said. We'll talk about that later. Ten years ago, Maduro nationalized our oil company's refinery that they had there. The drills, the rigs, the oil, everything.

[John C. Dvorak]

They took everything. That was Chavez who did that.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, but we've been fighting that for 10 years saying, hey, give us our stuff back. I think that was Chevron. And of course, just a little bit under a year ago, Maduro said, yeah, we're taking Escobar, the very oil rich segment of Guyana. And they're saying, hey, this is ours. But of course it's not because the licenses and the ownership of the oil is for Exxon. So when he says, give me back our oil, land and other assets. Yeah, that's absolutely true, but people forget this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, play this clip. UN sides with Venezuela.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is good. The UN Secretary General has called for the de escalation of tensions between the US And Venezuela. Antonio Guterres made the comment after a phone call with President Maduro. Yeah, yeah, well, they're very forgetful. But of course he called them out in the, in the National Strategic Security Document saying we're not listening to global organizations Anymore. I think they take that to heart. That's you people then, you know, just to stick with it, you know, we've, we've got to, we've got to get Mexico, we got to get those guys. We got it. We got to. Anywhere there's British money, we got to cut it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why today I'm taking one more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country. With this historic executive order I will sign today. Were formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon.

[Adam Curry]

Of mass destruction, which is what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

No bomb does what this is doing. 200 to 300,000 people die every year that we know of. So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.

[Adam Curry]

He loves saying that. Let's hear the two sides of the argument. First from Fox News. That's why today fentanyl has been a major problem in the United States. Not only the illegal flow of it into the country, but another concern that isn't mentioned as much. Using the substance in some sort of weapon. The Trump administration is now classifying this stuff as an actual weapon of mass destruction. Will that be enough to stop it? When you were working in the Department of Defense on weapons of mass destruction, was there any evidence of that possibly happening or any sort of group getting the capability to happen?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the first time I've heard of something like that. That. Yeah, well, John, the example, actually there.

[Adam Curry]

Is a real world example.

[John C. Dvorak]

In 2002, Chechen terrorists seized a crowded theater and threatened to execute hundreds of hostages in Russia.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the security forces, the Russian security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Forces, they didn't want to engage with 40 well armed Paris. So what they decided to do was pump a fentanyl analog into the theater's ventilation system which incapacitated nearly everyone inside the theater. They stormed the building, they shot, shot unconscious terrorists and they brought out a bunch of hostages.

[Adam Curry]

But in the aftermath there were 130.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hostages that died because of the fentanyl.

[Adam Curry]

That was blasted through the ventilation system. And so that demonstrates the potency of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so that was an aerialized form. Subsequently, I should point out that the Chemical Weapons Convention has said, hey, you.

[Adam Curry]

Can'T use aerialization of fentanyl for law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Enforcement purposes, but it has been done.

[Adam Curry]

So that's example. Josh, shoot man. Remember that? Do you remember that movie theater?

[John C. Dvorak]

But I didn't realize that many people died from the fentanyl. Oh yeah, I like the idea that the Russians came in and they found the terrorists unconscious.

[Adam Curry]

Shot him. Shot him.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the way they do business.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's go to CNN here. Earlier today, President Trump made an unprecedented declaration. He's taking what he calls a war on drugs and drug traffickers to the next level. According to the CDC, there were more than 80,000 overdoses deaths in 2024 alone. And synthetic opioids, primarily fentanyl, continue to play a role in the majority of those deaths. All right, Ellie, to you. Does this executive order give the President more power to do more than he's already doing, that Congress has not actually approved these boat strikes?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it is completely meaningless.

[Adam Curry]

It's symbolic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Federal law describes what a weapon of mass destruction is. Generally has to be an incendiary device, something that blows up, something that shoots, something that disseminates poison, that kind of thing. If you commit a crime involving a weapon of mass destruction, there's very serious penalties involved. Could be life in prison, could be death if someone dies.

[Adam Curry]

But the president saying drugs or fentanyl are now weapons of mass destruction has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Zero, zero legal impact.

[Adam Curry]

It's up to judges.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's up to the parties on a.

[Adam Curry]

Case by case basis.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an interesting argument. It doesn't meet the definition, but it's like if the President declared that a.

[Adam Curry]

Slingshot is a firearm, it doesn't make it a firearm for legal purposes. It would have to be. Congress would have to change the statute. A judge couldn't just say fentanyl is.

[John C. Dvorak]

A weapon because you said you somehow could shoehorn it. Hey, wait.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This kind of reminds me of, you know, saying that COVID 19 vaccine is actually a vaccine.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Yes. Change the law.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, just change Merriam Webster. That's how you do it.

[Adam Curry]

I thought this was an interesting case. So I looked up 18 US code 2332A. And a weapon of mass destruction is defined as destructive devices. Any explosive, incendiary or poison gas, including bombs, grenades or rockets. Chemical weapons. Any weapon designed or intended to cause death, death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals. Biological weapons. Any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or delivery system. And then there's radiological and nuclear weapons. I think you can make an argument that seeing as 80,000 people a year die from it, that it is a weapon of mass destruction.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm all in.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's. And, you know, I think that's validated. It's very creative. Which brings us to the Turtle Island Liberation Front. Oh, boy. The six week cycle is back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Four alleged members of an Extremist group.

[Adam Curry]

Suspected of planning five bombing attacks on.

[John C. Dvorak]

New Year's Eve in Los Angeles and Orange counties are now in custody. Hey, stop. Clip.

[Adam Curry]

Stopping.

[John C. Dvorak]

This reminds me, wasn't there supposed to be some sort of an event last Monday that all these podcasters. The sneer and smear podcasting group.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. The 911 style attacks, multi cities. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wasn't that supposed to be like a couple days ago?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

What happened?

[Adam Curry]

Are you still there? Yeah, okay, I'm still here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's all these attacks?

[Adam Curry]

I guess it wasn't true. Zachary Page, Tina Chen Ting and Dante.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anthony Gaffield appeared in federal court Monday day. These bombs were to blow up at the same time on midnight this New Year's Eve. The plan stated that the IDs would be complex pipe bombs. It included instructions on how to manufacture the bombs and contained guidance on how to avoid leaving evidence behind that could be traced back to them. Video released by the FBI shows the.

[Adam Curry]

Four suspects on Friday at a remote.

[John C. Dvorak]

Campsite in the Lucerne Valley in the southern Mojave Desert.

[Adam Curry]

Investigators say the suspects brought bomb making.

[John C. Dvorak]

Materials to the desert to rehearse their planned action. Investigators say they found PVC pipes suspected potassium nitrate, charcoal, sulfur powder and other elements. They were arrested shortly after this video was taken.

[Adam Curry]

The four subjects are members of a radical faction of the Turtle Island Liberation Front. At this point, they show video, a picture of a couple of hand drawn, drawn signs that say, yeah, I saw this. Death to America. Down with fur fascism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, first of all, let's make people need to know. Turtle island is some reference to the entire body of North America that was considered called Turtle island by some indigenous folks back in some, in some historic era.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you saw the pictures of these people who were arrested, they look like the kind of people who would thank the indigenous people that we can stand here and make bombs on your safety ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course that's what you want.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's the way it looks.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, before you continue, I knew when I was an air pollution inspector, there was a guy that ran a chemical company in Oakland. I'm not going to mention his name, but he was a part of a big club of guys that would go to the Mojave Desert with explosives and blow shit up. They loved, they would. And he had photos. He showed me his album because they like to take pictures of these. Here's a 40. Here's like a 55 Buick. Look at this. And here's after we blew it up with 10 sticks of dynamite. And it was like a Hobby. So it's not surprising that there was people. This is where you do it. Out in the middle of the nowhere. Mojave Desert. You blow stuff up.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a little bit more American way, a little bit more to the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

A violent, homegrown anti government group. Carol and her co defendant Zachary Page, led the effort to obtain and build the bombs and to recruit others to join in their plot. The suspects have been charged with conspiracy.

[Adam Curry]

In possession of an unregistered destructive device.

[John C. Dvorak]

Officials would not release any information about the target locations, only saying they are legitimate logistics companies engaged in interstate and commerce. These threats are sophisticated, organized campaigns of targeted intimidation. Again, the FBI saying that if these.

[Adam Curry]

Would have been successful, they would have been coordinated IED bombing attacks on New Year's Eve. Okay, so this is horse manure. And I'll tell. I read the affidavit. It's all right there. So they've been tracking these people since December 6th. And they had a confidential human informant who was already in the group, already showing the feds the signal messages. They had an undercover law enforcement officer in the group.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's what you do.

[Adam Curry]

So then they all go out to the desert with PVC pipe. Okay, Plastic. They're gonna put their own explosives together. Now you've done this too. You get some, some ammonium nitrate. You get some fertilizer, you get some, some charcoal, some sulfur.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never done this, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

I have. I have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You sure you have. When I. When I went to the University of California, I was in chemical engineering. The first thing of prefect. This came up in a conversation like when I was a freshman. He says, how many fingers you got? Is that the number you want to keep? And I never made an explosive.

[Adam Curry]

What we used to do back in the old country country when I lived in the. In the farm farmland south of Amsterdam is we'd get fertilizer and sugar. And then you put water, and you make a water solution. You dip paper in it and then.

[John C. Dvorak]

You make flash paper.

[Adam Curry]

Flash paper. Oh, yeah, it was fantastic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you can do that. That's different.

[Adam Curry]

Well, but we also did some other stuff with pipes, obviously, but not PVC pipe. And they had no caps. They literally had. The affidavit says they had no cap. No cap for the PVC pipe. So what kind of bomb are you making? Well, they couldn't charge him on making a bomb, so instead, possession of an unregistered destructive device. They didn't register their device. This is bull crap. The thing that bothers Me the most is the fear mongering from the FBI. And, oh, we saved you, America. This would have been bad. Oh, it would have been five buildings just blown to smithereens. Stay safe. Stay vigilant. If you see, say something this, I hate that. How about I do? I'm sick of it. How about you do your job and because you are government, you know, we appreciate it. It's great that you keep us safe and then just go home and have a beer and then the next day go after some other Turtle island group. There's no reason to do this big. Whoa. Stop the presses breaking those. We all could have been blown to smithereens. Especially after all the Red Green alliance. Isis. ISIS in America, Al Qaeda, Muslims, Islam. It's sickening. It keeps everybody on edge during the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happiest time of the year. What is it? Pissing into the wind is what you're doing here.

[Adam Curry]

I'm making people aware why this is being done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we've been bitching and moaning about this. It's never going to change. The FBI's got. They have their marching orders. There's somewhere there's a memo. Unless somebody goes into the FBI and changes the memo demo that set this up, whatever, many years ago. Because it's. Because it's good for business and it keeps me. It brings the newbies in. You can show them the ropes on how to infiltrate and do other things. It's good, good business. Then you make a big fuss about it and so the newbies can say. So you can point to the newbies and look. Look what happened. This is the results of your good work. We got everybody all riled up. See, this is the. This is the way you do it.

[Adam Curry]

It's how. It's how everybody is kept on edge and afraid and cowering and y. And suspicious of each other. It sucks. Yeah, I know you're all in, but I'm against it. I need. Hey, I'm a podcaster.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can stink my mind.

[Adam Curry]

Egyptian airplanes. Come on, man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that brings us to a Candace Owens clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, goodness. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

We've never had one before. I want to play the clip. This explains a lot.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let me see. I know all you guys want to know what happened during my meeting with Erica, so here it goes. Goes. We met in Nashville because I didn't want to fly anywhere and have my plane shut down by Israel, so I told her to come here. Instead, she gets here, and first thing she does is she gives me some homemade cookies, and I'm like, I ain't eating Those poison chocolate chip cookies. She tried to poison me. Anyway, I'm still alive after almost dying from the poisoned Israeli cookies. And we start talking then you're not going to believe what would happen next. The waiter asks us if we want something to drink, but he's wearing the Star of David. So I'm like, I ain't about to drink no poisons lemonade from you, you Mossad agent. So anyway, I almost die again from Israeli lemonade poisoning. And Erica is like, I'll just have some water, please. Which is obviously code for you better kill this bitch right now. Am I right? So we talk and we're. We talk and she tells me I'm acting crazy or whatever. So I asked her to show me pictures of her of when she was younger. And she's like, why? So I'm like, oh my God, she doesn't have any. So I just discovered she's actually a man. And I'm now talking to this man who is probably an Israeli spy sent here to kill me. So I just, I get up, I go to the bathroom, I dig a hole under the shitter like El Cheap Chapo. And I finally made it back to tell you guys the story and get paid millions by YouTube to keep you guys stupid and against Trump and turning Point, because I'm just a piece of like that. Anyway, thank you for your views. That, that's not bad. That's. That AI is pretty good. That was the. The real thing is almost as nutty. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, get ready. I am telling you, get ready. We have an explosive episode today. Actually, I should say it's a non explosive episode.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you'll see why we're going to.

[Adam Curry]

Jump right into this because after yesterday's episode, we were contacted by a variety of people with information and it's time to state unequivocally that the steel neck quotation did not come from the surgeon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, not only that, but it's odd.

[Adam Curry]

That federal agents were, I would say, too involved at the hospital. When I tell you this story, your jaw is going to hit the floor. We also have never before seen photos of the vehicle. I know I sound like a fed here, that Charlie was transported in to the hospital when they were trying to save his life. I'm telling you, my perspective is that all these leads are ramping up. The reason for that is because the general public, the general public is actually not receptive to what is very clearly a military grade psychological operation, complete with influencers and bonded activity on social media. We're so. Let Down. It's over. I'm never watching the show ever again. Candace took money. The people can see what you're doing. Feds, they can see it. I could see it. And now we're going to, you know, got to go, Max today. Welcome back to Candace. So my takeaway from this, which was not AI Is that so the feds have mounted a psych, a military grade psychological operation against Candace and bots and influencers are saying she sucks. That's the takeaway from that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, you know, that AI that I played.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think is part of the operation.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, of course it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, I see it the same way. There's an, there's an op to discredit and get rid of Candace Owens, to put her, not kill her as she likes to sideline her permanently.

[Adam Curry]

And I think Tucker knows this because he doesn't want to get sidelined. And he, he, this is so interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

He didn't, I think Tucker's in on a lot of this stuff. I don't think he can be sidelined. Well, he's. Well, I don't not trust.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's listen to this because this is the second time he's done this.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was.

[Adam Curry]

And he did like an 8 minute interview with the Doha Morning show or whatever was. It's Doha this morning, everybody. Welcome to the desert. How you doing? How's your oil stocks? Listen to what he says about Trump in this. But I left this beginning in because the lady says something kind of interesting. Do you feel you made quite a few trips here? But he made quite a few trips here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Quite a few trips.

[Adam Curry]

Does Tucker visit Doha a lot to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get, get his checks?

[Adam Curry]

Something changed in the way you feel in the last couple of years. Do you feel.

[John C. Dvorak]

I feel that I'm 56, my children are grown.

[Adam Curry]

I have an obligation from my perspective.

[John C. Dvorak]

To tell the truth in decency and kindness. By the way, telling the truth does.

[Adam Curry]

Not mean attacking people or pointing out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their love, you know, their, their obvious sins. No, telling the truth. Truth means telling the truth in love. What do you think is true, by the way?

[Adam Curry]

I've been wrong many times. I supported the Iraq war, okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been wrong and I know that I've been wrong and I know that.

[Adam Curry]

I will be wrong again.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm not claiming I have a.

[Adam Curry]

Monopoly on the truth.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I'm saying is as an American.

[Adam Curry]

Citizen, I have a right to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

What I think and I'm going to. Period.

[Adam Curry]

Period. He always, he does that a lot. I'm an American citizen. I have the right to say what I feel like I want to say, and that's it. I'm an American citizen, period. How could this fight reshape the American right? Possibly define how the US Engages with the Middle East? Could it potentially change everything? The president of the United States recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sided in public with an Arab country over Israel. Israel bombed Doha. Qatar is one of our most important.

[Adam Curry]

Allies in the region.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our largest air base is in this country, Qatar.

[Adam Curry]

Qatar hosts Hamas at the request of.

[John C. Dvorak]

The the United States government and the Israeli government for more than 10 years. And Israel bombed a meeting here in.

[Adam Curry]

Qatar in order to short circuit Donald Trump's peace process.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was an attack not just on.

[Adam Curry]

Qatar, but on America.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump saw it that way.

[Adam Curry]

He said he saw it that way and he forced the Israelis to apologize.

[John C. Dvorak]

To the government of Qatar. Nothing like that has ever happened. There's never been a situation where the.

[Adam Curry]

US President publicly took the side of.

[John C. Dvorak]

An Arab country over Israel.

[Adam Curry]

That just happened. That is a huge change. That is a.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is a seminal change. What are its long term effects?

[Adam Curry]

I can only guess, but we've never seen that before. This seems to be the message he wants to convey. So that kind of gives me pause as to where is he in this big podcaster thing, which. Go ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

It also brings to mind this, this call that Trump brings Netanyahu into the Oval Office or the meeting, wherever they do that meeting, meeting. And he has Benjamin.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, he signs your checks, bro. You better get his name right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he brings him in and then humiliates him in public, makes him make a public phone call to the Qataris apologizing for the bombing. This is bull crap. This whole thing was rigged. It was set up for whatever reason to make Trump give him certain gravitas with the Arabs and who knows what else. But this is nonsense if we are to believe it, because this would never really happen.

[Adam Curry]

All of this, that is happening and it really has been going on for a while. Nick Fuentes, I was aware of him years ago. And I know that you think he's a pro, and I'm not going to disagree. I cannot disagree with you, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

On that.

[Adam Curry]

But there's. He's something else. He is a punk rock podcaster. And I say this because everything he does is like punk rock. Punk rock, you know, the Sex Pistols, you know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know exactly what you mean.

[Adam Curry]

Screw the Queen, you know, kicking down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Believe it or not, I was a punk rock fan during the era of the number of these bands.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, what. What was your favorite punk rock Band.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it was the. It was the one Bandit. Damn it. I can think of the name in a second.

[Adam Curry]

Peter, Paul and Mary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Peter, Paul and Mary. Especially like Mary when she ripped off her bra.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you had the Ramones. You had the Sex Pistols. You had. Well, there you go. There's my knowledge.

[John C. Dvorak]

You don't have many, but. No, there's one group that was. I really thought was fantastic, but I had. I'd have to think about it anyway.

[Adam Curry]

It's a long time ago, but he's a punk rock kid, and what he's doing is he's going against. What was the one thing you could never say? Israel, no good. Jews, no good. Boom. There's Fuentes. I want to be with white people, not with black people. Boom, Fuentes. Women suck. Boom, Fuentes. It's punk rock podcasting, and I'm getting it now because this is all part of audience cap capture. And I was watching Dave Smith part of the problem, because I do watch this stuff. You know, I try to stay informed. I try to figure out what is going on. Why are these people so strange to me? Because, you know, we're boomers. I'm not officially. I'm Gen X, face of Gen X. Call me Boomer already. Dave Smith actually admitted it. He admitted audience capture, and here it is. You know, like, a lot of us. Us are kind of, you know, me and you and I think Candace and Tucker and like a lot of other people, essentially, we. The relationship here is us and the audience. We got to make something that the audience likes, and then we do well. And if we make something the audience doesn't like, it won't do as well. There you go. That's exactly what you're doing. So if the audience says, yeah, Israel bad, you're going to do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That.

[Adam Curry]

I don't even know if it's based on principles. With these people, it's audience capture, and we don't do that. We don't do it. Yeah, we don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't.

[Adam Curry]

We don't.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't bother. Well, it takes us out of our. Out of our. Our strike zone is deconstructing the media, looking for little tidbits, like the word. Using the word target, subject, stuff like that. And. And that's fascinates everybody at all times. Times. But we don't. We're not a. Like, I use it in the newsletter, this phrase I like, which is the sneer and smear type of podcast and the grievance type of podcast that just is designed to get Audience. Just to do audience capture.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we don't have. We don't qualify in either one of those categories, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we also don't count on YouTube money. Yeah, we don't count on YouTube money. We don't need any. Any of that stuff. We want to actually give you our opinions, which are often counter to the popular narrative. And people get really upset. Really ups. Even just me calling Dave Smith.

[John C. Dvorak]

I called him out.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, John. We called out Dave Smith. Whoo. That will get people upset. It's. It's amazing. And we're like, okay, be upset. Then it's fine. I'm not donating. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't donate. People who say that never donate anyway.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's true. As we speak, the European Commission, all 27 heads of the states of the European Union, are locked in a room, and they're not coming out until they have a deal. Until they have a deal about stealing the Russian money. Money and giving that to Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have a couple clips myself.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Yeah, I'd love to hear your clips. Let's do your clips first. You weren't prepared.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, No, I wasn't prepared because you jumped right into the topic.

[Adam Curry]

You said, I have a couple clips. And when you say that, I figure you got clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, continue with your presentation as you.

[Adam Curry]

Figure out your clips. Here is the.

[John C. Dvorak]

The.

[Adam Curry]

I think she's the Foreign Minister, Kalas, and she went in front of the microphones. You know, people are coming out from time to time from the meeting. Like, it's a tough meeting. You know, you got to do stuff. And it looks like we have. We have appeased Brussels or Belgium's issues with stealing the money and letting them take the rap for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Then, of course, we have the discussions on the reparations loans.

[Adam Curry]

Now the proposals that we have been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Working on, also addressing Belgium's concerns.

[Adam Curry]

I think to go for the legislative proposal means that we all take the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Risk because it's a European proposal, so.

[Adam Curry]

The risk and the burden is shared equally. So I think the issues that Belgium.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has raised we have also addressed. So I hope that we get this.

[Adam Curry]

Over the finishing line. Putin. Putin is banking.

[John C. Dvorak]

Finishing lines.

[Adam Curry]

Shouldn't give them that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I understand Belgium is under a lot of pressure from Russia, from European countries.

[Adam Curry]

But also from the United States. And in order to get off that pressure, actually, we should have a European proposal. Then Belgium will just abide by the law, and, you know, whoever has any concerns can go to court against European Union.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I think the fundamental issue is.

[Adam Curry]

That Russia is causing the damage in Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they should also be responsible for the reparations.

[Adam Curry]

And this reparations loan is based on that very idea. So let me get this straight. The very Russia that just last week you were saying, and all nodding in agreement to NATO Secretary General Mark Ruth, Russia sees us as next. We're next. Get under your beds, get your three day emergency kits ready. Now all of a sudden you're saying, well, you can just sue all of us then in the European Union card. Go ahead and sue us. What is it? Are you afraid that they're going to come and bomb you for their money that you stole? Or do you think they're just going to file a lawsuit?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good point.

[Adam Curry]

It's ridiculous.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think the clips I'm referring to are these Ukraine clips. And I have three of them of them.

[Adam Curry]

Let me play one more money clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so this is Keir Starmer. Just to show you that we're really, we're, we're tough guys here. We're going to steal some Russian money. Watch me do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The United Kingdom issued a license to allow the funds from the sale of.

[Adam Curry]

Chelsea Football Club to be transferred to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Humanitarian causes in Ukraine. Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich sold Chelsea in.

[Adam Curry]

2022 under pressure from the British government. Government. The funds from the sale have since then been frozen.

[John C. Dvorak]

UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer is now.

[Adam Curry]

Allowing him to use the money, but only to help Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Under the new license, proceeds must be.

[Adam Curry]

Directed to humanitarian causes in Ukraine, but future gains may be spent more broadly on victims of conflicts worldwide. The UK sanctioned Abramovich in a crackdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Russian oligarchs after Russia's full scale.

[Adam Curry]

Invasion of Ukraine into 2022, which had triggered the rushed sale of the English Premier League football club. The UK government has now promised to establish a foundation to disperse the funds headed by the former head of UNICEF uk. This is the worst idea ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have the. I have three better clips than that from the BBC. Okay, this the Abramovich series. This is not the Ukraine ones. This since you changed it kind of to Abramovich. Because this has to be discussed. You're right. Right.

[Adam Curry]

This is a Brahma, which will kill you. He will kill you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, not only that, but it's like at the same time, if you're going to let the guy into the country to begin with to invest in stuff, spend his money and then he wants to, and then you force him to sell his stuff and then you steal his money. Are you kidding me?

[Adam Curry]

$3 billion worth. That's insane.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here we go. It's called the Abramovich fiasco.

[Adam Curry]

One, the British government is stepping up pressure on the Russian oligar and former Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich. If so, if you steal something from the store, you can just say, I'm stepping up pressure on your store. This is very interesting. Over a financial pledge he made when he was forced to sell the football club back in 2022. Mr. Abramovich promised all the money he made from the sale would be used to benefit victims of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But the funds still haven't been released because of a disagreement on how they should be used. Now the government is threatening to take legal action.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him.

[Adam Curry]

This was Prime Minister Keir Starmer speaking in Parliament. My message to Abramovich is, the clock is ticking. Honour the commitment that you made and pay up now. And if you don't, we're prepared to go to court. So every penny reaches those whose lives have been torn apart by Putin's illegal war. Yes. We need to buy more homes in Europe. Take as much money.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. It's astonishing to me. They're going to steal this guy's money. And I think what he was referring to is if he made any profit on the sale, not to all the money, which is what they're trying to go for.

[Adam Curry]

They're just trying to go for some money.

[John C. Dvorak]

How much money you got? It's now ours and we're going to spend it over here. Because you, Abramovich, the owner of the Chelsea Football Club, you are responsible for your crime. Yeah. Anyway, so part two.

[Adam Curry]

Our political correspondent Harry Farley has been telling me more about the background to this row and why it's gone on for so long. When Roman Abramovich sold Chelsea Football Club, he made two and a half billion pounds.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that was frozen.

[Adam Curry]

That money was frozen in the UK because of British sanctions on Russian business people and representatives around the world. And so that might.

[John C. Dvorak]

Money is frozen.

[Adam Curry]

It is stuck. Roman Abramovich cannot access it himself.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he previously said he would be.

[Adam Curry]

Happy for that money to be used for all victims of the war. Now, that is something that the British government doesn't agree with. It wants that money to be used for humanitarian purposes for Ukrainian victims of the war. And they're concerned that Mr. Abramovich wants.

[John C. Dvorak]

It to go to both sides.

[Adam Curry]

So. Meaning Russians could also benefit. That is the essence of the dispute. But because this money is. Is technically still Mr. Abramovich's, even though he cannot access it, there has Been this stalemate ever since 2022. And this is really the latest iteration of the government stepping up its pressure on Mr. Abramovic, showing signs of irritation. But of course, irritation in itself doesn't release that money. Yeah, I mean, is there any indication that Roman Abramovich is actually going to give this money over to you, Craig?

[John C. Dvorak]

Not at the moment, to be honest.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, the UK government is threatening legal action. The UK government is saying that Mr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Abramovich needs honor that commitment that he made.

[Adam Curry]

They're saying that they'd be prepared to take this to court. And the next steps, as it were, is Mr. Abramovitch has 90 days to respond, and after which the UK government could, at that point, take this to court. We haven't actually heard from Mr. Abramovich or his representatives today, so we don't know if there is any shift in his position. But at the moment, at least, this is just threats and I suppose a toughening of language from British ministers. Hold on a second. So did they take it or not? It sounded like Starmer was saying, we're taking your money and it's done. And this makes it sound like there's still some. Some mechanisms.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it has. They don't. In other words, they haven't taken it yet. Let's play the last part. This from yesterday.

[Adam Curry]

And of course, there's about to be an EU summit where leaders are going to be urged to agree to use Russia's frozen assets to give money to Ukraine and give them a huge loan. Yeah, there is going to be exactly that summit. And there was over the weekend, towards the end of last week, some pretty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Confident noises coming from people I was.

[Adam Curry]

Speaking to in government, government officials believing.

[John C. Dvorak]

That this could be a real moment.

[Adam Curry]

And a real turning point where those frozen Russian assets across Europe, most of which are actually held in Belgium, could.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be released and given to Ukraine.

[Adam Curry]

There is less optimism now. I am sensing we'll find out the details tomorrow. But certainly the sort of, the excitement. This is going to be a big breakthrough. Obviously. This has been talked about for months and months.

[John C. Dvorak]

The excitement that tomorrow could be a.

[Adam Curry]

Breakthrough, I think, is waning slightly. And there seems to be a bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Little, little bit more opposition and hesitation.

[Adam Curry]

Because it is a legally very complicated to release these frozen assets and spend them on fighting, on giving them to Ukraine in order to fight Russia. The legal complexity is one aspect, and there is also political concern that Russia could then sue the countries who are holding these funds. Again, what happened to, he's going to come and invade us and Kill us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he can point. But what got me on that clip was the fact that they're excited about stealing the money.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, very excited.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I mean, oh, we're going to steal the money. This is great.

[Adam Curry]

It makes you feel good, makes you feel like a man.

[John C. Dvorak]

This shows you what a bunch of corrupt pricks are running these countries in Europe. They're criminals.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Hello. Gambling. Don't look at our capital. There's no criminals there.

[John C. Dvorak]

There never. Never happened. Let's listen. Okay. So I can play my uk. I got my three Ukraine clips. I think it'll be the follow. This will be. I can't talk about this any after this. This is the we'll start with the Ukraine update. This is a BBC clip.

[Adam Curry]

Ukraine's President Zelensky has called on allies to show Russia that it's pointless to continue with its war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pointless.

[Adam Curry]

Looking ahead of the European leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday, where they'll decide what to do with more than 2,200 billion dollars of frozen Russian assets. Reports say Washington has been pressuring European leaders not to use the money to help Ukraine. Vladimir Putin has again insisted he will achieve all of his expansionist goals in Ukraine. He said Russia would liberate what he called its historic lands by military force or diplomacy. Yeah, this is kind of a meme in the British circles is expansionist goals.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Expansionist revisionists.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, it's a supposedly Russian, you know, part of early Russia. People have to remember that. Where was modern Russia founded?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, you mentioned that in the last show. Is it Kiev or. I'm sorry, Kyiv. I watch chicken. Kyiv.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's where it was. That's where the modern Russia was founded in Kiev. And so.

[Adam Curry]

So now you're. Now you're just a Putin's puppet.

[John C. Dvorak]

Talking about revisionists, let's go with the Ukraine finale.

[Adam Curry]

Over recent months and days, European leaders have been warning that Russia poses a threat to the security of Europe, despite ongoing peace negotiations in Ukraine. On Tuesday, European countries closest to Russia called on the EU to prioritize defending their battle borders. Today, Vladimir Putin dismissed that as hysteria, but he says Russia will take Ukraine by military means unless Kiev and its allies do more to engage with U.S. peace proposals. Our Russia editor, Steve Rosenberg, sent this report from Moscow. Is Vladimir Putin ready for peace? Does he accept the need for compromise? It doesn't sound like it. President Putin told military chiefs that the goals of his special military operation would be achieved. Referring to Ukraine, Mr. Putin said, if the adversary and its foreign patrons do not want to have a substantive Discussion. Then Russia will liberate its historic lands on the battlefield. Historic lands. That is a reference to Ukrainian territory. Moscow claims to have annexed. Annexed. They've forgotten their history too, even when they're trying to make fun of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he says at the very end, the last three words he says, claims to have annexed.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, claim. Claim.

[John C. Dvorak]

They didn't annex it. They claim. Anytime. By the way, people out there, this is one of our deconstruction tips. The use of the word claims is loaded and bull crap. I mean, it should be, he said, but the fact that he claims to have annexed means it's, you know, in the mind, in your brain. It puts in a notion that this is not true or it's dubious or the guy's a bad person or what? Claims. So let's go to the second clip.

[Adam Curry]

He called for the expansion of a security buffer zone. In other words, to seize even more Ukrainian land. His tone was defiant, belligerent. Belligerent. And regarding European leaders, abrasive. Everyone thought that in a short amount of time they could destroy Russia. President Putin said, and the European swine immediately joined the work of the previous US administration in the hope of profiting from the collapse of Russia. Vladimir Putin claims, claims, claims, claims he does want peace. But his comments suggest. Suggest that's peace on his terms. Over nearly four years of war, his army has suffered huge losses on the battlefield. And yet Mr. Putin speaks positively about what has transpired. He claimed today that thanks to the special military operation, Russia had restored its status as a fully sovereign country. Steve Rosenberg. Yes. Excellent Jew. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'S a good one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Claims. It claims. It claims, claims, claims. I mean, this is terrible. These guys are. No.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's a new player that has entered the field. Our new player is Blaze Florence Metroelli. Metroelli. I think she is the new head of MI6 and she's kind of cute, actually, in a. In a spooky kind of way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Way.

[Adam Curry]

Blaze Blaise. Florence Metro. M E T R E W E L I just look up MI6 Chief. Interesting family background. Her dad, Constantine Metrelli, was born as Constantine Dobrowski and he was the son of a Nazi collaborator who operated in oblast the Nazi occupied Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1943. So do you think she skin in the game? Just from a.

[John C. Dvorak]

From a background, she looks like a spook. Are you kidding me?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a. She's a total spook. But you know, she's from the. From the Nazi party heritage, you know. Of course we can't, as Tucker would Say we don't punish children for what their parents did. No, of course not. But it is just interesting, interesting tidbit because maybe she heard around the Christmas tree, you know, like, Putin bad. Russia bad. Everybody bad, bad. Hitler good. I don't know what she heard, but she came out and she did about an 8 minute statement and I pulled a couple of clips. I'm going to break with tradition and I won't give you a global threat tour, but I will focus here on Putin's Russia. Putin. We all continue to face the menace of an aggressive, expansionist and revisionist Russia. There it is. Expansionist and revisionist Russia, the scourge seeking to subjugate Ukraine and harass NATO. I find it harrowing that hundreds of thousands have died with the toll mounting every day because of Putin's historical distortions and his compromised desire for respect. He is dragging out negotiations and shifting the cost of war onto his own population. But Putin should be in no doubt. Our support is in duty, enduring. The pressure we apply on Ukraine's behalf will be sustained because it is fundamental not just to European sovereignty and security, but to global stability. Okay, so Miss Miss New Spike Spook. Spike Spook. I don't know why she did this, but this turned into a recruitment video saying, you know, we need more people in the MI6. We need spooks, and a very specific kind of spook, and maybe many of our trolls in the troll room qualify. Our world is being remade, and for the first time, we are all at the heart of it. My service must now operate in this new context too. Not just expert on hostile states, terrorism, proliferation and more, but also fluent in technology, able to anticipate the second and third order effects of advances that reshape the world in minutes, not months. And as China will be a central part of the global transformation taking place this century, it's essential that we as MI6 continue to inform the government's understanding of China's rise and the implications for UK national security. Mastery of technology will infuse everything we do, not just in our labs, but in the field, in our trade, and even more importantly, in the mindset of every officer. We will become as comfortable with lines of code as we are with human sources. As fluent in Python as we are in multiple other languages. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

Python. Hey, ma'. Am, Get a clue, girl. Rust is the new language. What are you talking? Python. Python. Python. Python. On Python, there's fluent in code. We need to have. We need to speak. Python will become as comfortable with lines of code as we are with human sources as fluent in Python as we are in multiple other languages. Under my leadership, MI6 will continue to attract Britain's best. Hey, I'm a Vibe coder in Python. Does that count? We need vibe coders at MI6 people. Linguists and data scientists, case officers, engineers, engineers, behavioral experts and technologists. We need people who walk in the shoes and get in the heads of our adversaries. We need people who think differently, challenge assumptions and act decisively. All can thrive and make a difference at MI6. Call 1-800-PUNY MI6. I just found that to be odd that she's recruiting Python programmers. Python.

[John C. Dvorak]

Python.

[Adam Curry]

And then listen to this 22 seconds and tell me if you think she's talking about the CI. So we will work with our agents and we will continue to engage directly and with respect with states and organizations currently working against us away from the glare of the media. We will use MI6's convening power wherever we can to make a material difference, bringing parties together to diffuse tensions. What do you think when she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

Parties working against us? Yeah, I don't know if the difference.

[Adam Curry]

She ends it with. To end tensions. Well, of course there's tension. We all know what you're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I have to believe that they're clueless about this. And the reason I say so, I had a chat with the Telegraph.

[Adam Curry]

MI6 is doing most of the psyops on Candace Owens. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But I don't think that they're clued into. I'm not convinced that they're completely clued, including what Trump's up to.

[Adam Curry]

Really? They're that dumb?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this brings me to a conversation I had with our columnist buddy at the Telegraph, which is UK's most honest newspaper. I had a chat with Doug Orlovsky.

[Adam Curry]

Wasn't he with the Register before?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he was a Register guy. And he said that he admires the Nexus arguments that we've been making. He actually listens to the show.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hey, Orlowski. Andrew. How you doing? Doing, buddy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so he says, he says, but he says that they're so stupid that there's no way that this is, you know, they're just too dumb to do anything. He says, you have no idea how stupid the ruling classes are here. And I said, yeah, well, the fact that we could figure out what they're up to shows how stupid they are. I think it's just a confirmation that we're right.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the, the counter argument to him was he couldn't. He couldn't counter.

[Adam Curry]

He could not, of course he can.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because so it's like, you know, so we have to assume there's a stupidity level and a naivete at some point. And this woman doesn't look like a brainiac and she says Python.

[Adam Curry]

You made my point. If you're talking, we need Python, which may somehow be related to AI. Someone told her all this AI stuff. It's all written in Python. So we need Python coders. Okay, I'll do a call out for Python coder coders. Fine. Yeah, I'll get my. What's that thing called? My pie charm? Ide. I'll get that. All rocking. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Both. Who we hitting first? Who's the first adversary on the other side of the equation is UK Air Chief Marshal. I think that means he's in charge of the Air Force. Force.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no idea. Probably sounds right.

[Adam Curry]

This guy's name is Sir Richard Knighton, and here's what he said. Perhaps the most obvious impact on all of us will be the cost of building this resilience. Sons and daughters, colleagues, veterans, will all have a part to play, to build, to serve, and if necessary, to fight. Fight. And more families will know what sacrifice for our nation means. Oh, yeah, that's going over real big in England. What? What you want us to fight? Who fight what? What war?

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh?

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no, no, son, we're not going to do that. There's not a single British kid who wants to do this. Remember when this kicked off? There are all these TikTok videos. I'm not fighting. I, I, I got.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not going to fight.

[Adam Curry]

And in Germany, where they just reinstated the registration for voluntary service. Oh, the kids there aren't having it either. Early December in Berlin, instead of being in class, thousands of young Germans are out on the streets protesting the return of military service for this generation about to reach adulthood. The countdown has already started. From January onwards, young men like Ruben and Ivar must register for potential military service. I think it's outrageous that I can't even decide for myself whether I'm going to the front or not. Young people were hit the hardest by COVID 19. Noodle Boy as a sour crowd kid. Young people were hit the hardest by COVID 19 and by all sorts of state decisions. And now on top of that, they want to send us to war. It's nonsense. Berlin has voted to revolution, introduce voluntary military service, but with a clause that worries youngsters most. If recruitment numbers fall short, conscription becomes compulsory again across the country. It's all hands to the pumps. Anti conscription committees have sprung up. Like here in Munich. My sign says form committees say no to mobilization for wall for Tim and his friends who stage agitprop events and rallies. Stopping remilitarization is now urgent. I don't want Germany to be involved in another war or even to be able to start one.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly where this return or rather reactivation of conscription will lead.

[Adam Curry]

So yeah, they're not like American kids. I'm gonna get them ragheads. Cow heads, here we come. Watch out, Saddam. No, it's like uh, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous. I can't believe it. They want me to go fight. I can't even choose if I want to die.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't even choose where I want to go. Yeah, noodle boy, you know sauerkraut kid.

[Adam Curry]

That's the new one. That's the German noodle sour crowd kid. That's what he is. So yeah, but Europe, see, this is the thing the Europeans don't even re. First of all, everybody's tuned out. No one's listening to this nonsense. All they know know is there's Rovers and Rolls, Bentleys and high end vehicles parked on sidewalks with Ukrainian license plates occupying homes that they can't rent. That's what the kids care about because that's the reality of the situation and they're sick of that. Like eh, what is this? And they're not, they're tuned out. They're not listening to all this nonsense. It was like, I can't, I can't even get a home to rent if I want, want one. So they're not listening. And now all of a sudden say, hey, all that stuff you haven't been paying attention to, well now you got to go cannon fodder.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, cannon fodder.

[Adam Curry]

Cannon fodder.

[John C. Dvorak]

They realize it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's sad. It's sad, sad, sad. And I just don't see a rosy future for the European Union. Just doesn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I never saw a rosy future for them personally.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the whole thing was kind of a strange idea to begin with with.

[John C. Dvorak]

But yeah, it was done and it was only done to fight us. The whole reason for the European Union from the get go was to create a economic system that was consult that had less, you know, problems with moving goods from in between countries and being able to put consolidate an operation that can compete with the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And so now they, it turns out.

[John C. Dvorak]

That China was the real problem.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And now they're doing the mercure agreement. I think it's called Mercury Cure where they're opening up trade with some South American countries and all the farmers are like, what if those guys can use fertilizer? We can't. They can shoot up their cattle with anything that we can't. And so now we're going to be importing food from other countries. There are. They're truly nuts. It's bad. Christina is going to be arriving here. She'll be here about 6:30 tonight. I'm gonna work on these kids for a week. Don't go back. Don't go back.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're gonna go back anyway. That's my guess.

[Adam Curry]

We'll see.

[John C. Dvorak]

But they'll be, you know. Okay, I got a couple clips that go to domestic stuff. I want to get the Reiner stuff out of the way. We didn't talk about in the last show. We didn't want to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

But more importantly, is this Brown shooting?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I thought from the get go that it was a targeted shooting of the Republican girl.

[Adam Curry]

And I don't know anything about the Republican girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two people died. One of them was the head of the second, the vice president of the Republican Club at Brown University. And there's probably five Republicans at Brown.

[Adam Curry]

University and none of them are my family members because all my cousins went to Brown.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's all Democrats and all liberals. It's all progressives now.

[Adam Curry]

They're super tards, all of them. I love them, but they're tards.

[John C. Dvorak]

So you end up with this woman killed. And so it's. It seemed like a targeted killing. They can't. And there's a room full of 20 to 60 people and the guy comes in and yells something and then shoots her. And then some other guy gets shot and he then he peppers the place and Nicks 11 other people and not one person can say what he said. Hmm, I know what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Said, okay, let's go.

[John C. Dvorak]

11. Kill the Republican FA. Wait a minute. Kill the Republican fascist is what he said.

[Adam Curry]

Is that what he said?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's my guess.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now this is, this is. They have still to set it up. This is Jesse Waters and he brought on a guy who is a first. He gives a little overview of the incompetence of the, of the investigation. And then he brings in a guy who. Part two, the second clip brings in a guy who's a profiler. So part 11 people shot two dead. One was like the most prominent Republican on campus. And we don't have any answers or videos or pictures. We don't know what he shouted, if he had an accomplice the size of his gun, the number of witnesses, where he is, how he got out. And the people trying to ask questions are getting told shut up by the Rhode island senator for people who have.

[Adam Curry]

No idea what they're talking about to offer their students stupid and ill informed views about what happened all over the Internet. So I would please just from a law enforcement perspective, ask anyone who sees this to just shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're asking for the public's help, but they're telling us to shut up. They arrested the wrong guy, got no video and didn't even know if the brown cop cars had dashcams. They're in no position to lecture anybody. This is completely unacceptable.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing obvious Mossad.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, so they bring this guy in and this is just as makes my point, but this is going on, the incompetence of this investigation and this guy, the chief of police is Perez character. The whole thing is hilarious as far as I'm concerned. But this is the part that this, I'm absolutely convinced that this is was a hit job on this woman. Retired FBI criminal profile James Fitzgerald. Do you have a theory on this case? Was this a crime of opportunity? This was a soft target. Guy goes in, comes out and that's it. Kind of mad at the school or was he going in there to kill a specific individual?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, in my earliest media hit on Monday morning, that's what I said. And as soon as I saw the name of Ms. Cook, who, who was the vice president of the Republican Club, I just couldn't rule that out. I look at this as a profiler. I've been on many task force task forces over the years. Anthrax and the murder of a DEA agent. Two professors murdered at Dartmouth College at their home. And we have to walk in with every single option was someone specifically targeted. And to me it's more than a coincidence that this young woman was killed who happens to be one of the few probably representatives of the Republican side the House in that particular very far left university. Something isn't right there. And Jesse, before anything else, I'm also a forensic linguist. What the heck did that guy yell when he walked in the door? There's such a thing as ear witness evidence, not just eyewitness, ear witness. Somebody has to know and if it comes out later that the Brown people, the Brown University or the Providence PD is holding back what this person said because it wasn't politically correct. Correct, that's going to be really, really a problem.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's gonna, that's gonna have legal repercussions. And that's where it stands.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's. That's a better theory than I've heard. I just see a lot of people posting about how they don't know anything and it was DEI guys and all kinds of nonsense. I don't know. It's all sad. It's always sad.

[John C. Dvorak]

Real Casper milquetoast is the mayor too. The whole thing is pretty funny. Well, it is sad, but it's also amusing.

[Adam Curry]

I have the first one of the season. It did not come from Walmart. Burlington. Are you familiar with Burlington?

[John C. Dvorak]

Burlington Code Factory?

[Adam Curry]

Burlington? Well, they have, they have a. It's a chain of stores. The train company, now Burlington Department Stores, I think it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've never seen one.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think they're in California, but they are the first this year. First saw highlighting of the Secret Santa. Anonymous. Santa has been performing Christmas miracles by paying off layaway accounts at a Burlington near Wilmington down in Delaware.

[John C. Dvorak]

I just love this story.

[Adam Curry]

The man, he spent about $8,000 paying off 50 accounts with balances ranging from $38 to hundreds of dollars. He then walked out of the store, refused to be recognized for his generosity.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this man has apparently, apparently been.

[Adam Curry]

Quietly paying off these layaways for 25 years. He only agreed to go on the record if he could remain anonymous. Okay, there you go. It's still not the big. The big store that I want, but Burlington has, has won this year as the first Secret Santa layaway promotion.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would, I would give them the score. They win.

[Adam Curry]

I think they win. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they did it. The timing was good. They got it out there. You heard it. Yeah. Well, I put it on this show. Here we go.

[Adam Curry]

I always go. I do have Google alerts set. Always. Like, is there a Secret Santa?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good idea.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the new thing is influencers, which I'm sure can also be paid. Like an influencer goes in and. But, but they, but they're not paying because the influencers, they're not gonna do anything. Anonymous. Hello. No, that's not good for your influencer score. So they go to the exit of the store and say, hey, here's a grand. Go pay off your layaway. Hey, it's a couple thousand dollars. Look at me like. And subscribe. Smash that, like, button.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like it smashed the button.

[Adam Curry]

Smash. Speaking of, you know, Tina and I, we. We love our Christmas movies and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we do. And Netflix and Amazon have flooded the zone with Christmas crap with. Wow, there are a couple good ones we've Enjoyed a few, but I'd say about 75%. We know the story. We know it's going to be romantic love to interest. But the actors, they look like they failed at gay porn. It's really unbelievable. Every single time. You can now you can just look at the icon like, nope, we're not going to watch that. This is some guy who failed at the gay porn industry and now he's acting in these Christmas movies. But Kiefer Sutherland has a good one out. Tinseltown, which is cute, but also most of them are in London. They're all in London for some reason. Reason. And it's the most unbelievable thing you've ever seen. Not a single Muslim on the street. Oh, it's so pretty. It's London.

[John C. Dvorak]

That'll be the day.

[Adam Curry]

It's so nice there. Christmas time. It's all. All kinds of white people walking around with packages and holiday cheer. No Muslims. Come on, Netflix. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're trying to. You.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, big time. Okay, well, speaking of this, I gotta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be talking about that sort of thing as you brought it up. This is the Oscars. Did you hear about this?

[Adam Curry]

It's funny. I was just about to play my Oscars clip, so we'll play yours from the BBC. The Oscars are to be streamed on YouTube from 2029. After the tech firm outbid traditional broadcasters, it will be free for more than 2 billion global UN users. Here's the CBS version. A little bit longer. The biggest night in Hollywood is on the move. The Oscars are leaving ABC and linear TV in 2028 to start streaming on YouTube in 2029 through 2033. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences says it struck this deal, which includes the red carpet, to allow the Oscars to reach the largest worldwide audience possible. The Oscars have aired on ABC for half a century. And YouTube declined to tell us how much they paid for these rights, but ABC had been paying about $100 million a year now. The shift reflects the way viewers are consuming content nowadays and underlines the dominance of YouTube, which is owned by Google. Well, there's really a couple things at play here that I think are worth a short discussion. The first is no linear timeline. You know, this is. This is a big deal. You don't have to hit the news, you know, like, oh, we're running late. Oh, hurry up, everybody. Oh, we cut this, cut that. So they can just run for hours and hours. Which of course is also the downside because it will be even more boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

Happen. Yeah, it's going to Be even more boring than ever.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, I should mention that her actual use of the term linear tv.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought was interesting because that's. They're now making. They're. They're making the cut. This is like a moment in time where, okay, there's two things here. We got linear TV that's different and we have our, you know, Internet stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the different. And I noticed this so much, you know, like, I. A buddy of mine has a morning show here and he had to fill in for the next host. Her husband was sick or whatever and he says, hey, can I call you for a hit? He, he was making a joke, but it. We both think it's kind of not funny and, you know, so then we have to talk in between the commercial breaks. I hate it. It's like you can't. You feel rushed. You can't just say something. And I'm constantly being barraged by Dutch television shows and radio shows. Hey, when you, when you happen to be in Holland, we want you to come on our show. It's like, no, no, I'm not going to sit there and have to be rushed because we got. Oh, we got. Sorry, got to cut you off. We got to go. Oh, end of the show sucks. It's like this podcast you imagine like, oh, John, we got. Oh, oh, we're two minutes over time. It's already three o'. Clock. We already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Affiliates.

[Adam Curry]

We missed the news at the top of the hour. Oh, no, but about the commercials. No, all of that. It's annoying. And just how television people in general are. Yeah, we want to interview you and. Okay, that's fine. I'll do an interview. Yes. So we'll have Babette and she'll call you tomorrow for the pre interview. It's a pre interview. No, no, I don't do. But, but everybody does the pre interview. I'm not doing your pre interview. I'm not interested. Let's have it be spontaneous. Oh, oh, no, can't have it spontaneous.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I kind of understand the position about that if they don't know you, because some people just can't carry a spontaneous interview. That's a problem. Yeah. And by the way, just to plug something, I'm on the late. I'll be on the latest Grimerica show. I did.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, how'd that go?

[John C. Dvorak]

I did a one hour hit.

[Adam Curry]

You did a hit?

[John C. Dvorak]

And I thought it went well. I got to plug the show quite a bit. We talked a little bit about your theories and. My theories and our Theories and they were there. It was a good. It was. Moved along. It was a good conversation. Those two guys are pretty good. They've gotten really good.

[Adam Curry]

They're great.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, they've gotten. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

They are our disciples.

[John C. Dvorak]

Graham and Grimes. Graham and grimes. G and GS.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they are our disciples.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. They are big fans of the show. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

We have bred them. They've been bred out of the no agenda Gitmo nation soil. That's where they've come from. I'm very proud of them. It's like millennial media offense offensive.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like. And I, and I gave him a nod by talking about hockey for a few minutes before we got into anything.

[Adam Curry]

You did that, huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Something you got to do if you're talking to Canadians.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, you switched from. From, from sumo to hockey. You are so multi talented. I got a note from Rob the constitutional lawyer this morning about two newly unsealed lawsuits in California which allege that Meta. Meta knowingly connected sexual predators with kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Knowingly.

[Adam Curry]

It's a new day.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, there's a predator. What are we going to do with him? There's little Joyce over there, a little 12 year old. Let's put him up. Put them together.

[Adam Curry]

Pretty much. Pretty much. The predators posed as young girls and persuaded teenage boys to send sexually explicit photos. This of course, is part of these seven. Once the predators had the photos in hand, they'd spring the trap and sex tort the teen boys by threatening to send the pics to their friends and family. These two boys. Two boys ended up killing themselves and now their parents are suing. But Ameta allegedly knew that it's. Here comes AI driven follower suggestion engine. Do you think that's on a paper somewhere? What you got both. You both. I got the AI driven follower suggestion engine. At least give it an acronym ad for SU as a hunting ground for sexual property predators. But instead of taking simple safety precautions, it purportedly called in its growth team which estimated that safety precautions would cost 1.5 million users a year. So the AI driven recommendations, allegedly the Pinto. How do you. How do you figure? Because of the exploding gas tank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, and they had. They did a calculation saying, yeah, we better paying the. It's better that they die and we give them the 2 million bucks as opposed to doing the re. The retooling.

[Adam Curry]

So instead of losing 1.5 million teen users a year from their platform, not From Life, the AI driven recommendations allegedly continued affecting some 2 million child accounts in three months. Of these, 22% resulted in follow requests. Moreover, while AI is adept at connecting people, it is allegedly not good at stopping sex torsion once it be begins. According to the suit, reporting mechanisms are broken, and Meta refuses to act. Which brings me to several notes we received from people who were appalled that we were laughing about this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I. I got that. But before you go there, I want to mention one thing. Why don't they just try to find these guys and arrest them? Why suing Meta was. Why don't you try to find the 760? Is it. Does it take a gene genius to track down somebody you know? Are they. Are they that good? Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, according to Dame Chaos Pixie, husband to Dame Chaos Pixie. I'm sorry. Every One of the 50 nationwide FBI offices has at least two of these cases that they're working. The group loves to prey on tweens and teens. Yeah, okay, we understand how it works. I read almost daily the reports where spurned exes threatened to share nudes or scammers try to get money out of victims by threatening same. The 764 victims are not the same thing. Okay, so it's easy to mock the victims of exes and scammers. These kids are actual victims. But the thing is, we were talking about digital ID as the obvious solution to this, and maybe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is what I. Yeah, that was my retort to the note, which is.

[Adam Curry]

What Kash Patel himself has pretty much said. I think it behooves the FBI to not pick these people up immediately because they. They want digital id. And by the way, that's a good point.

[John C. Dvorak]

In other words, sit on the investigation so we can make it worse so we can then get our way.

[Adam Curry]

Get our way. Exactly. And I'll just say, I know a lot of kids, teenagers up to driving age age, who do not have a phone. And all the parents said, we're not going to give my kid a phone. Okay, you know what? These kids actually stand out. They're. I think they're smarter, they have better communication skills, they're doing better with the opposite sex because they hang out at group meetings like church crazy. And the only thing that some of them have, Most of them have. Have is they get an Apple Watch, which they can text with, and the parents lock down all of the other apps, which I think is decent. It's reasonable. You can't go crazy texting on your. On your Apple watch. Can only send a mom, hey, mom, can you pick me up? You know, that's it. And they do stuff together. They play golf, all kinds of outdoor activities. Yes. Oh, golfing is big in Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Golfing is big everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. So you know the real. The parents are the problem. That's. That's the problem. They just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, the parents are on the phone half the time.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's the best example for your kid.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And they're on the phone all the time. The parents are on the phone scrolling. I was. I can't tell you how many people have almost. These guys are walking down the street. I don't get it. You're walking down the street reading your phone phone. You're not even looking up. You know I. Every once in a while you want to kind of move just to a certain you you were seeing the guy. Here he comes, he's walking or a girl one. It doesn't matter. The sex is irrelevant. Now they're walking up the street, they're looking at their phone. Boom, boom. Walking along. And you just want to walk in a certain way and just kind of walk in front of them as they. And then stop as if you've been standing there and let him walk right into you.

[Adam Curry]

You do this on a regular basis? Basis.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do as much as I can.

[Adam Curry]

We got a note from one. I think he's Gen X. Both you and John seem to be befuddled by dudes not wanting chicks. Allow me to enlighten you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, actually he's right.

[Adam Curry]

Allow me to enlighten you both. We do. But they're out of reach due to their expectations.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's this issue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. I think it's real. Young men are shifting more trad body count matters and the women have unrealistic and entitled requirements. The rules of six are a thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

He says for the boomers. Okay, I've heard of this. I read, I read six feet tall, six pack abs, six figure salary and younger men might have the six pack abs.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think was, was, was also a.

[Adam Curry]

Six inch minimum for me.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was the real. That's the original six for me.

[Adam Curry]

He says I'm twice divorced, 52 year old male and it's gross. It's why most men have checked out using the Internet for anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was 52. I thought he was your Gen X.

[Adam Curry]

You're Gen X if you're 52? I think so. Yeah. You have to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I guess so.

[Adam Curry]

It's why most men have just checked out. Using the Internet for anything other than a hookup is dead. Not because of bots, but because of the poison. My last GF was a grad student. Plot twist. I know. I'VE been moderately successful and now I think maybe a mate a little bit more mature. Hell no. These old bats are more entitled than the young, younger ones. The wine hasn't aged gracefully, it's soured. Not a one off Opening reply to a comment about this or that online. How much do you make? First question. Yeah, I think this is, this happened in the past 10 years, particularly when the pendulum swung so hard the other way that in fact I think there's EEOC lawsuits coming. White men were discriminated against in business, in schools. You couldn't get a job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Welcome to. You just introduced the op. I did send you a. Yeah, I got it.

[Adam Curry]

I put it in the show notes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, this is, there's an op going on and I don't know what the point of it is, but I, I went back and forth with Brunetti on this because he's, I sent him because.

[Adam Curry]

You know, he's, he's your deconstruction partner now.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's a guy. Yeah. When you take a, when you take your break and he's coming on. So no, he didn't see it as an op and I'm seeing it as an op and because here's how so far, here's how the op has gone. It started with Matt Taibbi promoting that article which is in the show notes. It's an article in Compact magazine where a white guy is moaning and groaning about whites were being screwed. And so that went to Gutfeld. And the reason I went back and forth with Brunetti on it is because out of the blue Brunetti sent me. Although he'd read the article from Compact, he sent me a presentation on Instagram which appeared out of the blue almost at the same time of a whole slide deck going on and on. Very professionally done on Insta. Bang, bang, bang. Here's what's going on. Here's what's going on. So I've got. And four and if, if this shows up, you get actually gave me number five because you brought it up. But if this shows up on the Today show, then 60 Minutes and here and there there's an up underlying it. I don't know what the point of it is, but it's something going on.

[Adam Curry]

I find it interesting that the most privileged white male with hot model wife is the one who's interested in this issue with a million with millions in the the bank.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who's this Brunetti? Well, he's not interested. That's the point I'm trying to make here. He didn't think it's. He still would. He'd argue it's not an op. I'm just full of crap.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I see.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm seeing. I'm already seeing it as an op. And he doesn't see. He only saw the couple of things. I'm going to see a bunch of it. And then you brought it up so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, whether it's. Whether it's an op or not, the point I wanted to make is I think women have really. They're the ones that were opt. Not. Not necessarily intentionally, but just.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you don't, I think, intentional. Well, I'm not going with the coincident, unintentionality aspect to any of this.

[Adam Curry]

No. I mean, they were elevated like crazy and told. Told that you shouldn't have children, do your career. And now, exactly as this note says, These women are 30. They're super privileged. They're lonely. All these TikTok women. You realize it, all the TikTok women you are playing on this show are lonely. They're lonely, lonely, lonely, because let's face it, if you have a man in your life, you're not on TikTok like that. Except for Candace, but. And it's. That's dubious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Very dubious.

[Adam Curry]

So these are lonely women who use filters and all kinds of stuff to make them look good because everyone else does, because I need to look as good as the next person. And it's been very distressed, destructive. So, you know, I think, you know, used to be just fashion magazines that women had to live up to. Now it's everybody, and they've been elevated like you. You're the boss, girl. You go, girl. So.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a lot of them that think highly of themselves and they. And you take one look at them and you say, why do you think highly of yourself? You look like crap.

[Adam Curry]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man, man who put the crap in the way the girl looks. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John.

[John C. Dvorak]

Crane. Marsha Seaboots, the raffy in the air, subs in the water and all the dames and knights out there in the.

[Adam Curry]

Morning to the troll. What happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

You.

[Adam Curry]

You. I lost your sound effects in the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Now. Now. We're dead in the water, man. We're dead in the water. 1495. We're dead. We're dead. We're dead, I tell you. Of course, If I had 1,495 people show up at my door, I'd feel different about it. But that's it for the troll room.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're listening. Or if they had 1,400 people donating for today's show.

[Adam Curry]

Dream on, baby. That's not the life of a value for value podcast podcaster. No, sir. Nope. We just have to depend on not capturing the audience, just speaking our mind. You know why? Because we're, because we're Americans, period. I'm practicing my Tucker rant. I'm an American. I will speak my mind. I don't. I don't bow down to anybody, period. And that keeps us in the, in the, in a lower tax bracket for sure. These trolls are listening. [e-mail] you can also. From there, you can log into the troll room. They may be listening. A lot of them are on the modern podcast apps. Ah, this is so much fun. Modern podcast apps. You can get [e-mail] and we have this live feature. A lot of these shows are live. When Darren goes live. Rock and roll. Pre show. When Planet Rage goes right. Everyone's doing this live stuff and it's in the same app. It's, it's like, it's like an awakening. Oh, I can get a live show and on demand. Yes. Within 90 seconds of publishing, you'll see it show up in your modern podcast app.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's what would be a modern podcast app.

[Adam Curry]

Podverse fountain. True fans, podcast guru. Well, let's look at podcast apps.com podcast apps.com and let me tell you this. Lot of them. So true fans. Podverse. Pod Podcast Guru. Cast O Matic Fountain. Ln Beat. Curio Caster. Podcast addict.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pod lp. A lot of them.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Pod LP is for the, the old. The, the. This big. In South American Africa. They, you know, the flip phones, the cheap Chinese things. Yeah, there's a ton of Pocket casts. Although I don't think. I don't know if Pocket does live yet. But there's. I mean, there's a lot. Those are the ones that do the live stuff. There's a lot. There's a lot. Yeah, it's, it's. It's an amazing little thing we've, we've done here. We've saved podcasting, saved it from the evil empire and since, well, maybe you'll.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get your Peabody Award.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't, I don't. You know what? I don't. I, I will refuse it like Kanye. Be like, I'm going to flush it down the toilet if they send one to Me. We, we do the show value for Value, which is. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So clog the toilet.

[Adam Curry]

Can we do the show value for value, which we pioneered years ago knowing that audience capture was not our game. We also never really wanted to have any kind of conversation with advertisers because it's a pain in the butt. You know, if you have some kind of product and you want to support us and you got to mention your product, we'll talk about it. And, and if we like it, we'll say we like it. If we don't, we'll just like. Okay, thanks.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, some of the stuff we can't check. Like we don't, we don't know Martell Hardware.

[Adam Curry]

We, we have not checked Martel hardware. Correct.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure he's. He seems like a good guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, seems like a very good guy. Although according to him, you blocked him. You blocked his email.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he said that.

[Adam Curry]

I noticed you have no idea what people get. So your email server returns a message and has a little traffic light with the red. With red illuminated. Like you've been blocked for unspecified. For spam or language. Language. Language.

[John C. Dvorak]

Usually for language. Yeah. If you cuss me out in the email, it won't get through.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there you go. Now that, that eliminates 40% of your email. It's not a bad idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, not at all.

[Adam Curry]

So you can support the show Time talent treasures. What we accept time and talent, you know, giving us a boots on the ground report organiz meet up helping us out in any kind of production way of. Still looking for a great idea for a Christmas show. We've had a couple, some interesting ones. Like I would love to hear some producer notes. I can't imagine. Have to figure out which producer notes to put in someone still good. Someone like Red Book Show. Okay. Where Were you in 2024? We did the Red Book show and I appreciate that everyone's thinking about it. What was the other one? Tips of the day. I don't think we have enough tips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there's not that many.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's not enough. You know, was it? Oh, election predictions. Well, that'll be a 25 minute show.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's so good.

[Adam Curry]

We only had a few elections. Four. Are we on our fourth? Let me see. Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

We did.

[Adam Curry]

We got Obama, Trump, Biden, Trumps. We've. We've had five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two Obamas, two Obamas. We caught both of them, I think, didn't we?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

We had two Obamas, Obamas.

[Adam Curry]

Trump, Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two Trumps.

[Adam Curry]

A Biden, Biden and Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's five, Five.

[Adam Curry]

Five elections. We gotta hang our hats up, man. It's getting crazy.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's an epoch, okay?

[Adam Curry]

It's the fifth turning. One of the ways you can support us is by making artwork or prompting away on the latest model, whatever you got. And it's just amazing. I don't know how he does it, but Darren o' Neil has made mastered AI. He also was a funny guy. I mean, he. He understands the wishes of the taskmaster. You know, you want to have something that pertains to what's talked about in the show. You want to make it look kind of quirky or funny, or you just want to. You know, or something that even if people don't know what's in the show, they go like, oh, that's interesting. And he did the. This was the muk ultra show. 18, 20, 25. He did a bunch of drones getting caught up in their fiber optic cables and looking all scared about it. And he's like, yeah, he nailed it. He just. He totally gets it. And most people don't, which is sad. And then they get mad. Like, I know Scaramanga is mad. He's mad I'm leaving the competition. Did he say that to someone else privately? Which, of course, that person immediately sent me a copy. Copy of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like, of course. That's what we do. That's what the roles are for.

[Adam Curry]

And the reason I haven't been.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tentacles are everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

He said the reason I haven't been mentioned in months. So let's mention.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mentioned more than a few times in months.

[Adam Curry]

No, no, no, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No mentioned. Not these.

[Adam Curry]

He's just like, you know, you're not picking my art. Well, because it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's always the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's always. Yeah, it's always a cleavage. It's always. Yeah, you're right. It's always. Always the same, like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let's look at his last. Last submissions.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think he submitted recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

He hasn't submitted for a while. What does he expect?

[Adam Curry]

Let me see. He's leaving the competition. Let me see. I'm getting trouble for even saying that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was too late because my.

[Adam Curry]

In my. In my informant. The.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your informants. You got your informant in trouble.

[Adam Curry]

I just burned my. I just burned my sword.

[John C. Dvorak]

Burn your source.

[Adam Curry]

Here, let's look under artists. Hold on a second. Let me see. Artists. All right. Darren, Darren, Darren Martin. Wow. He's not. He's not where. He's not even on the list. Where is he? There. He. Scaramanga a scaramanga. 427 submitted. Last one submitted December 11th. Okay. He did the pock. Yeah. December 11th, he did the pocky rice dog. AI is dumb, not funny. Read a book with, you know, kiss on the boat.

[John C. Dvorak]

But since we're going to be slamming again, let me get it. Get. Bring up the art, too.

[Adam Curry]

The last one I liked was the Frenchie Assassin, but you didn't like it because it had Brigitte Macron as a monkey on the. As a monkey on the wall. So it turned out. Turns out that Scaramanga is only good at one thing. It's cheesecake. And he's really good at it. When he tries to do something else, he's just mediocre. I mean, I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you are. You're very mean to him. But I think it's justified considering that he's quit.

[Adam Curry]

He's quit the competition.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's left the cult. His little Paki rice thing is kind of cute. I liked it, but he didn't like it.

[Adam Curry]

There was something better at the time. There was just something better. I don't know what it was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump with a bone in his mouth is no good. The wrestling raccoons, you know, has potential. He's just barely missing, you know what the cartoonish things.

[Adam Curry]

I'm over it. Jeffrey. Ria. I'm just over it. You gotta be a lot better to do a cartoonish thing. That model sucks. And let me see what. What else I like. Joy Burglar, which is another Darren o' Neal piece. You didn't like it? It was okay. No, I wasn't going to fight you on it. Yeah, that's it. I see lots of menorahs for today. We should put a Hanukkah menorah on the art. Would let see everyone go insane.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're going nuts.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Oh, no. See, I told you they got a dreidel. So anyway, thank you, Darren o'. Neill. Great job as always, brother. We appreciate you. Appreciate you doing the rock and roll pre show every Thursday and Sunday as well before we go live. It's always a great way to get into the mood. Now, we want to thank.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have no evidence that he complains.

[Adam Curry]

Darren never complains.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's not a complainer.

[Adam Curry]

He's not. So now we start by thanking all of our supporters. $50 and AB. In this segment, we thank the executive and associate executive producers. Why? Because they have supported us with enough money to get one of those credits, just like Hollywood does. Those people don't actually. All they do is hang out on the set, look important, they get a folding chair with a name on it because they ponied up and if they're lucky, they get something out of it. Well, when you support us, you get great value out of it. And you're probably supporting us for the great value you already receive received. Such as Joseph salazar from Melbourne, Florida who came in with $500. I don't see a note for him. We have no note from Joseph.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't find one.

[Adam Curry]

So executive producership for him and he will get a double up Karma. You've got double up karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hopefully he'll send something in and we can read it later. Sir Mike of the of the Fair Tax in Clinton Township, Michigan. 333.33 in the morning. John and Adam. There's a long note. By the way, this is Sir Micah, the Fair Tax Baron of Lichtenstein, Moderator Liberator of Michigan, MI 10, formerly of Axe Head Watch. Oh, that's our Axe Head Watch guy. A few months ago my fellow MI tenors Tom Hartman wrote in to tell of how I helped him start his own watch company, megatime watch.com. okay.

[Adam Curry]

I remember this guy. The wooden watches.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. You got a wooden watch from him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dom has not been moving product as well as I had been and I think he's giving up. He doesn't donate often so I tried making a 55 donation in his name so he would get some karma. Instead you guys read my name and I had to explain to people why I, a Libertarian party candidate was plugging a watch with very Republican sounding name. Tom still uses the shipping station in my basement I use for Axe Head and employees Dame Kelly to ship them out. But now I'm ready for these things to be out of my basement.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it's a fire sale.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this is a fire sale. Use code ITM for a 50% off of a new Christmas sale. I'll be sure to tell them about all Christmas karma for Tom, please. Okay. Get some karma. P.S. or P.S. axe head watch will be returning as Axe Head Vape.

[Adam Curry]

Oh no.

[John C. Dvorak]

A wooden vape fully made in the United States with wooden dry herb vaporizers. In time for 420. Merry Christmas. Well, they're complicated.

[Adam Curry]

Note, I couldn't read Weed vapes. Man, you've got karma. Ser Jacobus Boursma. Wow, he sounds Dutch. From Ormond Beach, Florida. 333.33 ITM Adam and John. I've been listening to you guys since the very Beginning. It's been a wild 18 years. All of your considerable effort is greatly appreciated. And I denounce all of the freeloader who have failed to support the V4V model. As do we. This donation serves to both support the show and announce to the NA community the publishing of my new book, Zero Knowledge Wisdom. Available globally on Amazon. It's a compendium of wisdom, universal truths and life lessons. Zero Knowledge Wisdom is full of practical information that challenges conventional thinking and should resonate with the no Agenda audience. It's a great tool for starting 2026 on the right foot. And John is even quoted in the wisdom the of. Of the greats section. Well, I'd like to know what that is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Something I said?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Sock hop. While I tried to secure endorsements from one or both of you before publishing, it didn't work out. However, if either of you want to endorse it live and or are interested in authoring the forward, John apparently enjoys doing forwards. That would be great. Thank you for your courage. And here's to four more years. Years. Well, here you. Here you go. I'll do mine. Zero Knowledge Wisdom is like the modern day book of proverbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's mine. A must buy exclamation point. Oh, brother.

[Adam Curry]

Brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, just get a hold of me. You know this funny because that. That by. That's a good idea for a book. There was a. There were two books. Volume one and volume two that came out in the 30s of such a book. And I had a volume. I had copy of volume two. Is all these. Just all kinds of little sayings and wisdoms. I never could find a first volume. I've always wanted to collect it and I can't now. I can't even remember the name of the author. But it's not a bad idea. All right. Onward. Parker Geist White.

[Adam Curry]

This is my buddy here in Fredericksburg. I have coffee with him about once a month. He is my mentee. And he didn't send the note?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. And he claims to be in College Station, Texas.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he came in with 300 bucks. Give him a double up karma and then find out later what he wants.

[Adam Curry]

And I'm pretty sure he. Because I. I'm pretty sure it's for his birthday. He's turning 30, but I don't know if it's today or tomorrow. So I'll put him on the birthday list anyway. Parker, you didn't have to do that, brother. But I appreciate it. Executive producer for Parker.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've got.

[Adam Curry]

Karma. Ah. There he is. Christopher Graves, Somerset, CA 242. Thank you for your courage. To all the producers who have already taken advantage of our ITM 10/10. When I left my corporate job and went back to candy making, I knew that my holidays would be spent working 16 hours a day for 45 days straight. And while I've had years that I felt blessed, this year I feel more blessed than ever. So with sore feet and a worn out back. Maya. Maya is Magia. Magia. And I say thank you. There's still plenty of time to get your candy, so go to littlejohnscandies.com and just use code ITM10+10. Don't use the plus sign, spell it out or call us on the phone. Little John's Candies. Handcrafting smiles since 1924. No jingles, just a shout out to New Jersey. Jersey Ed, who's a spook. Well, we all know that.

[John C. Dvorak]

The website needs work.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, does it?

[John C. Dvorak]

Mimi tried to order some Little John's candies to send to Eric and D and she. It was just. It collapsed and failed. And the shopping cart didn't work. There was issues.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

So people should help these guys get this thing running, right? Or they should get a hold of Mimi.

[Adam Curry]

Well, ask Mimi not to use IE E3.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're not using IE3.

[Adam Curry]

Looks like two beats too long.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, because I'm trying to figure out.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Onward. Dylan. Dylan. Good old Dylan. Langa or Lang in. Was it Chilliwack? Chilliwack, B.C. canada.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, looks like Chilliwack.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think I may have even been there. You're a crackpot and buzzkill. I appreciate all the hard work you guys do. I never miss an episode and always listen to the full episode. Even the donation segments, which I'm now in. Yep, this donation puts me past the threshold to be a no agenda night of the roundtable. I'd like to be known as Sir Dill Pickle. Also, please add me to the birthday list. I turned 34 on December 20th. No G, no jiggles, no karma. Says Jiggles.

[Adam Curry]

No jiggles given.

[John C. Dvorak]

No jiggles, no karma. Thanks for all you do. Cheers. Dylan Lang from chilliwick, British Columbia. P.S. shout out to Tony Lang.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay. Jeremy Brogan is next from Amherst, Ohio. Associate executive producership for him, 222.37. He sent in a note. ITM Gents, Merry Christmas. I hope this message finds you well. Rove ducks plus bank fees plus Georgia font for my boy jcd. It is actually very nice. It's Very readable. A belated happy birthday to my keeper, Laura. She celebrated on December 5th. Suffering succotash, please. Oh, I didn't see that request. Scott. Scott Simon. Okay, here we go. Suffering Shakatash, please. And whatever karma would be appropriate for a human resource about to propose. Oh, thank you for your attention to this matter. Five to eight more years. Jeremy Brogan, Amherst, Ohio.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suffer and succotash.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Scott. Simon. I'm Scott Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sir. My amygdala. My amygdala.

[Adam Curry]

Cermydala. I think it's cermygdala. Just cermygdala.

[John C. Dvorak]

In Minneola, Florida. 2, 2, 2. This is a duck. The road Ducks, duck a rose. Hi guys. Working on my exit strategy, I designed a nerdy product for engineers and others who regularly need to connect between convert. Convert convert between millimeters and inches. It's a calculator with big knob and bright seven.

[Adam Curry]

It's got a big knob.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's got a big knob is what you want. And a bright seven segment LED displays there. These. There are three keyboard buttons to reset, to switch between entering millimeters at inches and to adjust the input precision.

[Adam Curry]

Wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can't visualize this. The calculator sits quietly on your desk as opposed to the noisy calculators I have and come to life when you spin the knob.

[Adam Curry]

Spin that big knob.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a useful tool and fidget toy in one. And he's got the website is www. Stipics.

[Adam Curry]

Stypics, stippics.net all right, stypics, go check it out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks for taking a look. I have a small inventory listed for sale and I would be delighted to make many more if there is interest. Best of all, I set up a tab for comments so I'm ready for feedback, constructive and otherwise. Thanks again, Sean. Amygdala.

[Adam Curry]

And then we got a note from Luke Cumberland from Oxford, Missouri. I don't know if I can even understand what to read here. He says in the morning. Please bear with me. Initiating value for value protocol. Introducing Aella system dedicated to achieving computational continuity, safety and coherence via algorithmic governance. Whoa. It is my pleasure to help produce your dynamite show. I'm preoccupied with the superpositions. With superpositions conceptually. For instance, 1 a set, not a spectrum containing everything between O and 2. We can learn a lot from that set of infinite probabilities. Namely, observation resolves the set into reality. So preoccupied when a magnetohydrodynamic system occurs occurred to me. Does he have a website for this I was driving back from Austin yesterday.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is one of those guys who's going to vet a time machine or zero point energy. Well, same thing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he says, so what does he have now? I don't understand what it is. First public iteration of this work is the Aella Dissonance Modulator browser extension. Okay, so A, A, E, L, L A Dissonance Modulator Browser extension function A grants user a volumetric control axis enforcing constraints on web chaos. It actively measures and suppresses dissonance entropy auto collapsing distracting feeds and animation and clickbait headlines for a low dissonance online experience. He has a GitHub coming. Okay, well, let me know when. And he has a VPN protocol coming too. Let me know, and I'll gladly mention it on the show, whatever website you have. But this. This is a bit like yesterday. I was driving back from Austin, a lot of traffic, and I'm like, oh, it's a new J. Would you go to Austin, have my haircut? My girl.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

You know, get the ladies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you learn anything at the barber?

[Adam Curry]

No, nothing. Nothing. No, she. She can't talk about stuff anymore because, you know, they were afraid she was turning maga, so. So now we can't talk because they.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don'T poison you there.

[Adam Curry]

They might have stuff, I don't know. But. So I flip on Joe Rogan because he's got. Again, he just had him on. What's that guy from Black Horse? Black. Black, Dark Horse.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, come on. You know, the. One of the brothers. One of the brothers.

[John C. Dvorak]

The brother.

[Adam Curry]

The black guy? No, the. The bro. What's his name? With Heather. He's with. With Heather. With Heather.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, Weinstein.

[Adam Curry]

Weinstein. Thank you. Weinstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

The thin one or the big one?

[Adam Curry]

The big one. What's his name?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he had the big one on.

[Adam Curry]

He had the big one on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's Eric.

[Adam Curry]

The Eric Weinstein? Yes. Is that Eric? Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Eric's the big one.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the. The biologist.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, the biologist is. Is the other Weinstein, the skinny one. Oh, Eric is the. Is the mathematician. He's a big fat guy.

[Adam Curry]

Not the biggest. Hey, no, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he's the guy who kept begging to be Joe Rogan's friend on one of his shows.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so it's Brent. Brent. Brett. Brent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it Brett? Brett. Brett.

[Adam Curry]

We're a mess.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're terrible.

[Adam Curry]

And he's like, yeah, I asked to come back on because I have something really important. And then he went over us. Oh, he.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was like, he's another Media whore.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it was the worst. I mean, I love Joe, but it was the worst. And I tried to stick after 45, maybe almost an hour. And he's talking about how evolution happens and this, it's a solution, not just a fold. I'm like, my eyes like, oh, man, this is the worst idea. I think Joe thought he had, like, some kind of major breakthrough, scientific breakthrough. It's like every time, every five minutes, like my. So my hypothesis is what I'm putting on the table. I'm like, oh, no, no. I could tell. I think Joe was irritated. Oh, man. Anyway, Luke Cumberland, your note was very similar to that Joe Rogan episode. So send me a link to your browser extension. You're up next.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I'm sorry. I was hypnotized by that. Fascinating story. Eli, the coffee guy. I get him. And you know where he's from?

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bensonville, illinois. That's right. 212 17. With all the doom and gloom clogging up the news cycle, ISIS back in, back in rotation, War with Venezuela. And now apparently razor blades showing up.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, bonus clip. Did I. I think I clipped that.

[John C. Dvorak]

You have a razor blade clip?

[Adam Curry]

I think I do. Hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's showing up in Walmart.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I have it here. Lots of new information. We're learning this morning about razor blades.

[John C. Dvorak]

That were shoved into loaves of bread.

[Adam Curry]

At two Walmart locations here in Biloxi.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we're also learning this morning that this has been going on for more than a week. And it has taken Walmart apparently more than 10 days to contact police about this issue. Also new this morning, we're receiving pictures.

[Adam Curry]

Check these out.

[John C. Dvorak]

That were sent to us from a viewer who purchased a loaf of bread.

[Adam Curry]

Let me bring you up to speed on this. Yesterday, Monday, Biloxi police, around noon, received.

[John C. Dvorak]

A call from Walmart here on CT.

[Adam Curry]

Switzer, the Walmart superstore, that managers have been receiving complaints from customers finding razors in their bread.

[John C. Dvorak]

When workers in the deli went to.

[Adam Curry]

Inspect loaves of bread, they found even more razor blades. A Biloxi police officer showed up, took a report. A little while later, Biloxi police was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Called again, this time from the neighborhood.

[Adam Curry]

Neighborhood Walmart on Pass Road in Biloxi. And they reported the same thing, finding.

[John C. Dvorak]

Razors shoved into loaves of bread. Well, this morning, investigators are combing through surveillance video trying to find the person.

[Adam Curry]

Responsible for shoving these razor blades. And we're also learning that this has been going on for at least more than a week now. Can you still buy razor Blades for your shick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Remember?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you had that thing, you twist the handle and then the claw opens up and you put the razor blade in. Do they still.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think you can. And they're used for scraping. I mean, there's razor blades.

[Adam Curry]

I'm thinking it was probably some other kind of razor blade. Not a safety razor, as they used to know. Anyway. There you go. Bonus clip in the donation segment.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think you cut open a loaf of bread and find an electric razor in there.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be kind of cool.

[Adam Curry]

All right, Marty.

[John C. Dvorak]

The holiday season. Christmas came early. Code Bongino. By the way, did you hear about what's happening?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's back. Code Bongino's coming back.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Bongino's quitting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And that means Code Bongino is coming back.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes. Code Bonjino will be back. So the guy's in less than a year. Yeah, he's less than a year and he quits the job.

[Adam Curry]

He couldn't handle it.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, because it's actual work. It's office work.

[Adam Curry]

Not like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Opposed to podcasting. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, he thought, you know, he's like, wow, it's going to be cool and be a deputy director of the FBI. What? What? This is a desk. Where's the mic? What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Where's. What are these files? I'm supposed to. What am I supposed to do with all these pile of files?

[Adam Curry]

What are these, TPS reports? Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

TPS report. Exactly.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I appreciate him for serving. I'm sure it was a rough time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, had to be miserable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, of course it was miserable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Once again, proving that podcasting is the wave of the future. Just as Deputy. Just as. Just ask Deputy Director Dan. Okay, it's a reference to Bongino. Still no agenda. Is the best podcast in the universe, no matter what Bongino says. The best hosts and the best discount codes in the game. So with gigawatt or visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use the code ITM20 for 5. 20. 20 off your order. Merry Christmas. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy jingles ISIS in America and go podcasting.

[Adam Curry]

Isis. We will follow them to the gates of hell. Isis. I feel good. Go podcasting Foreign.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna get the next one, so you can see if you can.

[Adam Curry]

Can I just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your problem from the.

[Adam Curry]

Can I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Your last Linda Loop hat.

[Adam Curry]

Can you just mention something? We do have new sharptons for people who. I have a new sharpton for people who want to request sharpening. I was like, I want to hear sharp. And I Have a new Sharpton that I'd like to share. Here we go. Oops. Not that one. Give the world a gay Santa Claus.

[John C. Dvorak]

God almighty, God Almighty.

[Adam Curry]

God almighty, God almighty. Leave out the cookies and the milk this Christmas Eve for a holly jolly homosexual.

[John C. Dvorak]

God almighty.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's AI.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's actually from a movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. And it's him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that's from a script. I don't know if it's the same.

[Adam Curry]

Feels good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, Michael Benevente in Yonkers, New York, came.

[Adam Curry]

Yonkers?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Yonkers. We don't have any. Too many people from Yonkers.

[Adam Curry]

When you're an Armonk, you go to Yonkers, man. You go to Yonkers to shop. That's what you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You go to Yonkers and you go, Yonkers.

[Adam Curry]

Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

200 bucks. He has no note that we can find. And so he gets to double up karma.

[Adam Curry]

He sure does. You've got double up karma. And then winding it up for our executive and associate executive producers. There she is, Linda Loopatkin from Castle Rock, Colorado. $200. She's here every single show. We love you, Linda Loupatkin. And she wants jobs, karma, and has a good idea. She says, why don't you give the gift of a resume that gets results this Christmas season? Go to ImageMakersInc.com for all of your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. And she winds it up by saying, thank you for your courage, Linda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs. Thank you very much to these executive and associate executive producers. We appreciate you very, very much. You keep the show rolling, as do all of our treasures, supporters, time, talent, treasure. But even the time and talent, it's all appreciated. That's why we are the best podcast in the universe. We had the best producers in the universe. And these were the executive and associate executive producers. You can join them and become a producer. Go to noagendadonations.com Congratulations with these Hollywood accepted credits.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our formula is this.

[Adam Curry]

We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Order. Order.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up, Slade. Shut up, Slade.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one short little screwball clip that I thought was funny. I don't know if you heard this about the Finland.

[Adam Curry]

All I know about Finland is they just bought a whole bunch of F35s from us.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, they had to apologize to all the Asian countries. Listen to this. Oh, brother. Clip.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, hold on a second. Oh, brother. The Finnish prime minister has apologized to citizens of Japan, China and South Korea for offensive squinting gestures made by three politicians from his governing coalition. What were they doing?

[John C. Dvorak]

They were squinting and doing a Chinese accent, I guess. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

No, yeah, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So he had to apologize for the country.

[Adam Curry]

This must be stupid. This. I've got. I gotta figure this one out. Hey, by the way, Gen Zeds, you're looking for a job. You're looking to get paid good money, want to live in a nice community where they're eating the dogs no more. You're going to face a problem that could trickle down to you and what you purchased. Today I went to Columbus to talk to Governor Mike DeWine about what will soon be a giant hole in the workforce in Springfield. We talked about other things, too. But in about a month, the government's going to change the status of Haitians working there in that community from legal to illegal. That's about 10,000 workers gone. I asked if the governor has appealed to the White House. He tells me he's talked to everyone who will listen. These people who are currently legal, who came here legally, they will be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Their status will change and they'll no longer be legal.

[Adam Curry]

When that happens, all those employers will no longer be able to employ them. And so that one day all of them are going to be unemployed and these companies are going to have start scrambling and trying to figure out how.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are we going to make our production.

[Adam Curry]

They're eating the door. This issue, you'll recall, was a big one during the presidential election from the governor, I think. Yeah. So before one starts crying, TPS Temporary protective status. That's right. It's time to go home now. You've been protected. You go home. We have lots of people who want jobs, I presume. Or are we all now too arrogant? We don't want to work in a factory because that's what we're going to get. That's what it's going to be. And they'll be good paying union jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know what they're going to do. They got this. Then they have the Somalians. They're going to have to do something about them. There's a lot of them that are in the same circus circumstance.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And now they're starting to make a real fuss about Elon Omar actually probably being illegally entered under the. OR became a.

[Adam Curry]

She married her brother. She married her brother.

[John C. Dvorak]

And if the story's actually sillier than that, they had to get her brother out there. Her brother's gay.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have you heard the whole story about this?

[Adam Curry]

No, I. Gee, my eyes must have glitched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Raised over her brother's gay and Somalia was having an anti gay crusade and they had to get him out of the country. So they, so what? They found a guy with this. They found a guy with a name in England that she ended up marrying technically, and then changed her brother's name to that guy's name, brought him over as though they were married, and then never divorced her first husband. The whole thing is such a disaster. It's complete fraud. And she should be, she should be deported.

[Adam Curry]

Deported.

[John C. Dvorak]

She should. I'm telling you, this is gonna, this is gonna begin. They're gonna, they're running out on a railroad tie. They're gonna deport her. You watch. This is gonna be a big deal. And it starts to. Because Trump already hinted at it and.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, no, he wouldn't. Retribution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Retribution.

[Adam Curry]

He wouldn't have said it if he didn't. If he didn't know something. That's kind of like the R. Reiner thing that was, you know, I'm, I'm kind of trying to place this because what he posted about the murder of Rob and Reiner and his. And his wife. Now, in fact, I have a, have a clip here. Hold on a second. Here it is. Reiner, this. Here we go. A number of Republicans have denounced your statement announced through social after the murder of Rob Reiner. Do you stand by that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all.

[Adam Curry]

He was a deranged person as far.

[John C. Dvorak]

As Trump is concerned.

[Adam Curry]

He said he liked, he knew it was false.

[John C. Dvorak]

In fact, it's the exact opposite that I was a friend of Russia, controlled by Russia. You know, it was the Russia hoax.

[Adam Curry]

He was one of the people behind it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he hurt himself in career wise. He became like a deranged person. Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not afraid fan of Rob Reiner at all.

[Adam Curry]

And I had to really think about this because he posted kind of like he was deranged, made people crazy and rest in peace at the end or something like that. And everyone's like, oh, you can't do this. I can't ask you because Trump is 80. But I can see where when you're 80, you're like, you have a different view of death. Like, okay, he's dead. You know that Trump doesn't seem to have a problem with death and he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Somewhat sympathetic, but he didn't.

[Adam Curry]

Virtue signal And I kind of have respect.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he doesn't do that.

[Adam Curry]

I kind of have respect.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, he doesn't do that. And I wrote an essay on this in the last newsletter. I'm thinking of blowing it out as a substack thing because I have so many rocks. Rob Reiner screenshots.

[Adam Curry]

You should do a little thread emoji on X and post it in 1500 posts.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm not gonna do that.

[Adam Curry]

1.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although.

[Adam Curry]

1/20.

[John C. Dvorak]

Although, now that you mention it, it's a funny idea, but Rob Reiner had nothing but hateful, daily hateful posts about Trump. And I have one of them exemplified on the newsletter, which was one of the. An example of about six days in a row where he's just bitching and moaning. And it was. Was relentless for. For the entire time Trump was stepped down the escalator or came down the escalator, and it never ended. And it was just. It was unconscionable. And that was why Trump should.

[Adam Curry]

It was both of them. It was Michelle as well. They were calling him Hitler and fascists and Hitler. A lot of Hitler from her. A lot of Hitler.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

That still doesn't mean that I like them being killed, but I. It was.

[John C. Dvorak]

They shouldn't have been killed.

[Adam Curry]

To me, it was like, okay, so it was honest, I'll give him that. But didn't feel. Didn't feel good about it. How did you feel?

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't. It didn't bother me one way or the other. It was very Trumpian. It's not. It was like. Was it a shock to anybody that Trump was, like, nonplussed about the whole thing and would say something like this? Well, I think people were like, he could have gone off the deep end and said, there were a bunch. A couple of. I'm glad they're dead. That's what I think he wanted to say.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why he said it, but he didn't say it directly.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everyone's, you know, now all of a sudden, oh, is not right. You can't trade us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the thing that bothers me is they tried to pull this off. I don't think they accomplished much, but they tried to say, well, Republicans are hypocrites if they let Trump get away with this when they were making such a fuss about people celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, which I also mentioned in this column. And no, because Trump was directly targeted, the people who are celebrating Charlie Kirk. Kirk's death never even Charlie Kirk wasn't directing nasty tweets at them for years on end.

[Adam Curry]

No, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

So there's a false equivalency, which they love to pull out of the hat every chance they get.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on. I have Joy. Joy Reid, the Joy, the Joy Reid Show. Is this an old clip? Let me see. Trump's response was to crap all over Rob Reiner. Oh, she has a podcast now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, you don't know that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, here it is. And say he was a terrible thing. Terrible for America. Russia, Russia, Russia. And say all his dumb Trump. So this has caused even Republicans to say, whoa, that's too much. You know, you can call a reporter piggy, we're down with it. You can say, you can grab a woman by the P word.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're cool with it.

[Adam Curry]

You can even, like, actually grab Eg and Carol by the P word and get adjudicated as a sexual assault or abuser. We're good with that. We're Good. You commit 37 felony counts. You can rob New York. You can take classified documents home and put them in your shower. In a tacky shower. You can do all of those things. We don't care what you do. You could do anything you want. When you're a star, they let you do it. You're Donald Trump. You're a star to us. You can do anything. You can call women fat, ugly, anything you want. You can call all Somalis garbage, anything you want. Go after anybody you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

But not our.

[Adam Curry]

Not a Hollywood star. We actually like not, not. Not this. The people inside MAGA who are closest to the MAGA base, they see Trump up close. They know that he is faltering cognitively. They see his cankles swelling up to the size of an elephant's feet, although. Except that he's not as delightful as an elephant. He's the opposite. They can smell his diaper full on many occasions and have changed multiple times a day. They see him wandering around, seemingly unaware of where he is, at times not knowing what city he's in, sometimes rambling, answering questions with complete non sequiturs. What we've heard on this program with medical experts saying that he's definitely in cognitive decline, maybe dementia. Experts, Experts. I haven't seen the experts. Yeah, she's terrible.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she's definitely part of the problem, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

I know. I just have to say, because I have. We have a listener, black female listener, and she sent me a note like a week ago, says, are you going to play any clips from Nicki Minaj talking good about Trump or do you only play black women who are insane and mad? And as I'm playing that, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty much true. But I had asked. I said it's funnier. I said, can you please send me a link? She says, it's all over X. Well, like, if you're not even going to send me a link to your favorite Nicki Minaj clip, then, you know, you do better.

[John C. Dvorak]

And. Yeah, and she also. Minaj has a. Then they're now claiming she has a crush on Jesse Waters, which is part of it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's good. I like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

So they. So Gutfeld had on. He likes to bring on George Santos, the phony congressman who, you know, got kicked out of Congress and then spent a couple days in jail afterwards.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Trump commuted his sentence.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he brings Santos on. Santos had an interesting thing to say about it because. Because he was part of a program of a bill. He put a bill together which most like Kroc had never done this called the Minaj act. And it had to do with.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he says that, he says, I don't know what the fuss is about Minaj being a MAGA because she voted for it. It was well known to everybody that was involved with her or knew her. She voted for Romney. She's been a Republican for a while. So what?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right. Yeah. Now I, I think she just says, you're only playing clips of black women who are mad. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's funny. There's nothing, there's nothing entertaining about listening to Nicki. Mickey. Nicki. Mickey. Mirage. Mirage. Nicki Mirage. Saying anything that's cognizant. Who cares?

[Adam Curry]

There you go. And there it is. All right, what do we have Anything else we need to talk about?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's get these Reiner clips out of the way. These are backgrounders from the BBC and they, I thought they'd be more objective than American reports.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I see rundown BBC and rundown three. BBC. But no rundown two. Unless.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, there is no two.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on true service.

[John C. Dvorak]

Announced.

[Adam Curry]

This is the same clip I had.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was part of the report.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we. After the murder of Rob Little bitty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Party, but we do this.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, I got it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all.

[Adam Curry]

He was a deranged person as far.

[John C. Dvorak]

As Trump is concerned.

[Adam Curry]

He said he liked.

[John C. Dvorak]

He knew it was false. In fact, it's the exact opposite that I was a friend of Russia, controlled by Russia. You know, it was The Russia hoax.

[Adam Curry]

He was one of the people behind it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think he hurt himself in career wise, he became like a deranged person. Trump derangement syndrome.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I was not a fan of Rob Reiner at all.

[Adam Curry]

All right. There was nothing different than that. My clip from that clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that sucks.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, let's play three then.

[Adam Curry]

Our North America correspondent, Peter Bowes. Was there another Brit? It was a very brief appearance by Nick Reiner. He sat at the front of what is a very large courtroom in this downtown LA courthouse. He was mostly expressionless. He had a, a blank look on his face. He listened to his lawyer, Alan Jackson, who we've just heard from, asking the judge to adjourn the hearing until January 7th to allow more time to prepare the case. Mr. Jackson later said that there were complex and serious issues that needed to be carefully examined. Normally at a first appearance, a defendant will get the opportunity to enter a plea, guilty or not guilty. That did not happen. He was asked by the judge whether he understood, understood that the hearing was being adjourned. And he replied, yes, your honor, before soon being taken away, back to jail to await the next hearing. And prosecutors in this case have raised the possibility of the death sentence, haven't they? They have. If he is eventually found guilty at a jury trial, he could face either life without the possibility of parole or indeed the death sentence. Although the prosecution, prosecution have said that they have not yet decided whether they would pursue that option. It's interesting that California hasn't executed anyone for almost 20 years. Capital punishment remains legal here, but the current governor, Gavin Newsom, has issued a moratorium on the death penalty which halted all executions from 2019. And we heard from his lawyer, Alan Jackson just then. And this is a man who is very used to these high profile cases. Oh, yeah. He is a veteran Los Angeles criminal defense lawyer, defence lawyer now widely known for handling these high profile, complex cases like this one. In the past he's represented celebrities, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, to name two. He has seen the courtroom. This is interesting from both sides. Now he is a defence lawyer, but previously he was a federal police prosecutor. He was a senior Los Angeles county district attorney. And if he has a reputation for anything, it is his very persistent style of cross examination. You know, when I first read the President's response, I thought, man, he must know something. Maybe he already knows that, that the kids like, you guys are so horrible, I'm gonna kill you. But then I thought, nah, maybe not. What do you, I mean, it's a Complicated case. Case. I mean, is this not.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean this is all stuff, this is all propaganda because this Jackson guy is one of those. Somebody pointed out. He says the best friend of a, of a defense attorney is a continuance and he's already got a couple of stalling tactics in there. It's going to take forever to get this thing underway.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, he wants to be on tv.

[John C. Dvorak]

He wants to be on tv. He's going to be on TV a lot. He's. No, but how did he even get hired? Nobody knows that. They don't know who's paying, Paying him? This question has come up. You know, this guy's the hottest attorney, the hottest defense attorney in la, and he's somehow not right away. He's the guy. Without any moment of hesitation, he shows up immediately. How's that work?

[Adam Curry]

Well, maybe the kid didn't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe the kid didn't do it. So we have to ignore the bloody room at the Hope Motel and the.

[Adam Curry]

He might have been there. But maybe he didn't do it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Maybe he didn't do it.

[Adam Curry]

But if he gets convicted, here's the prop bet of the century. Death, death, death penalty or no death penalty.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I don't think that's a good prop bet.

[Adam Curry]

It's gonna be one. It's gonna be one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It will be, but I don't think that's the good that that bet will be that everyone will say no, I think. Well, which is where you want a prop bets. You want them to be lopsided?

[Adam Curry]

Exactly, exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

But there'll be a. I will get a memo from bet age. Bet age. Was it, is it called online Betag?

[Adam Curry]

I think he sends.

[John C. Dvorak]

They will send me a note. I'm on the mailing list for the.

[Adam Curry]

For the prop bets. Me too. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so I'll get that. We'll read them when they come out. People can put their money down, waste their money on prop bets.

[Adam Curry]

So you agree with me that it's a great prop bet because it'll be lopsided. So there's an agreement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm not gonna, I mean I'm not a big fan of the whole prop bet phenomenon, but really everyone seems.

[Adam Curry]

To be a trillion dollar marketplace.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is a huge. Because it's, you know, it's, it's compelling.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, can't we do our own prop bets?

[John C. Dvorak]

We. Well, I think, yeah, I don't see why not.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, we'd be pretty good at it, you know, I mean, I mean, first of all, how do you make money As a prop bet company I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thinking you, you, you work on the middle. So it's, there's, there's some sort of crossover. It's, it's an arbitrage.

[Adam Curry]

Never mind. I forget it's too much work of our.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is too much work. Know what you're doing. You have to be a statistician to do it right.

[Adam Curry]

Can't even get the podcast awards together. So when there's not going to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Any that's coming, you expect things to happen overnight. That's your problem. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that leads us to the last of our donation segment, the second donation segment where we talk about the already mentioned the people and than the people who donated $50 or more. And Adam's going to start at the top with our best friend from Nevada.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, and we love all of the people who support us financially. It is the only way to do a podcast that is not capturable by the audience. Dame Rita is who you're referring to. She's in Sparks, Nevada 133.33 and she says May your Christmas be filled with your favorite food, wine and good company. At one. We hope so. Well, my daughter should be landing in about two minutes. Kristen handle two minutes. Two minutes. Kristen Hanlon, 126 6. She says she'd been listening via Apple Podcasts for six months or so. Your breakdown of the chaos. This must be new. The chaos that is 2025 suits my mood most days. Whatever this small donation may entitle me gratefully accepted. Thank you, Chris. I'm going to deduce her. She sounds like you've been deduced. Thank you very much. Welcome to Gitmo Nation. Jakub Pelak is in Ayba. What is sk? Poland?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he says no, SK is not Poland. No, is Poland.

[Adam Curry]

No, he says he's. Oh no, Slovakia. I'm sorry. Heard from a fellow producer from Poland donating a show 1825. So I had to top him. Not my first donation. Never deduced. Jocko Pelak, Slovakia, you've been de douched. There's our buddy Eric hochul from Melrose, Deutschland. 104. Jennifer Williams in Kennard, Texas. 100. Barry Boniface in Elkton, Florida. 100. Sir Johnny Bananas Fowler, Indiana. 100. Kevin McLaughlin, Concord, North Carolina. He always comes in with the 8008 donation. He says I love boobs in the US Constitution. Krista and Stephen Hutto both coming in with $75.

[John C. Dvorak]

Krista needs a de douching. You've been de douched.

[Adam Curry]

You know Krista yourself.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. She sent in a very long note. It was so long. It was like four pages or three pages at least. And it's a very entertaining note that I read. And she is a. She sent us some patches.

[Adam Curry]

Oh.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I'm thinking these patches are pretty cool.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of patches are they?

[John C. Dvorak]

Just, like, no agenda patches.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, wow.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like military patches, only they say no agenda and stuff on them. I said there's a really. It's like a challenge coin, but it's a patch.

[Adam Curry]

I want my patch.

[John C. Dvorak]

I. She sent one for you. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yours got damaged.

[Adam Curry]

I should. I should have said that. I got a very nice Christmas package from the folks over at Live365 Sound Stack. You know Ricky Thomas. Ricky Thomas. She's a producer. And it was different kinds of coffee, and included in it, gigawatt coffee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, got taste.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, that means that they sent out Christmas packages to all of their business relations with gigawatt coffee in there, so. I love hearing that. I love it when people succeed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. You love it when you get more free coffee.

[Adam Curry]

I don't do it for the free coffee. I don't mind. I don't mind it. It's good coffee. Donna Crawford, switcheroo for her smoking hot husband, Commodore Kirk Crawford of the south bay. He turned 61, so she sent in 61 plus fees. It's December 19th. Thank you very much, sir. Kevin O' Brien in Chicago, Illinois. Small Boobs 606. Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona. Also a fan of the Small Boobs. 606. Nancy Murphy, 5721. James Edmondson, South Plainfield, New Jersey. Double nickels on the dime. Peter Chong, Double nickels on the dime. Dean Roker. Double nickels on the dime. It's back. Preston Price.

[John C. Dvorak]

Chung Winston. Jobs. Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you. Preston Price, Woodstock, GA. 55. Bob Newell, Penfield, PA. 52. 5250. There's a Bitcoin donation through Strike 5157. Don't know who it's from. You got to send us a note. Andrew Benz, Imperial, Missouri. 50 05. And here are the 50s. Chris Slavinsky, Sherwood Park, Alberta. Easy landscapes in North Stonington, Connecticut. Philip Ballou in Louisville, Kentucky. N. Nancy Wolf, Las Vegas. Chris Cowan, Austin, Texas. Scott Lavender, Montgomery, Texas. Michael Sikora in Lake Elmo, Minnesota. And Janet Kostrevsky from Greece. I guess she sent $50. What does she say?

[John C. Dvorak]

Here I was in Greece.

[Adam Curry]

She was. Oh, this is it is show content. I was driving through the mountains of northern Greece listening to show 1825 when John started talking, talking about grappa. I had to smile because right at that moment the air was filled with the unmistakable smell of grape must from the nearby distilleries. My husband George and I would love to invite the no Agenda community, Adam John executive producer Dana Burnetti to join us at the magical two month window of the grape harvest in Mount Pico. And they'll, they'll. We will learn from the locals. Locals. The locals. How to make Tziporah discover Nagoska, a grape you won't find anywhere else. And she suggests maybe Dana could help us make a film about our charming Greek village. The gomenissaproject.com G O U M E N I S S A. That's the town is how you pronounce it. Great idea. I'll have Brunetti fuel up the jet will be there soon. Don't count on the. On the movie. He's stingy like that. He's stingy like that. Fifty Shades of Grappa. There you go. There's an idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. Thank you, chat room.

[Adam Curry]

No, that was me. Thank you. You know, good, good try. Marty Ox othericks in Buffalo, New York. 50. And we wind it out with Jason Maurer in Vancouver, Washington. $50. By the way, is Mimi okay with all the flooding going on up there?

[John C. Dvorak]

The area where the house is is up in a hill. It's not. There's no flooding.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Well, I, at least I was thinking of her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, just people that, you know, when there's a fire in Sacramento, people kicked out, in trouble. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Jobs. Karma for Peter Chong has requested jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for job.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma. You got a little extra jobs there. Thank you very much to our $50 and above supporters. We don't mention anyone under 50 for reasons of anonymity, but we see you. We love you. Thank you. Any amount is welcome, value for value. That's how it works. Whatever value you get out of the show, just send it back to us. That's all we ask for to keep the show going. We'd like to make it at least four more years. Go to no Agenda donations dot com. And we have Jeremy Brogan wishing his keeper Laura Happy once he celebrated on the 5th. Joe Brendel, his smoking hot wife Susie celebrated yesterday. Sir Hooping soccer. Happy birthday to Sir Daniel Also yesterday, Donna to her husband, Commodore Kirk Crawford. He turns 61 years old tomorrow. Dylan Lang turns 34 for on the 20th. And we congratulate Parker Geisweit, 30 years old. He did have a note, but it got lost. So we'll make good on the next show. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. We do have one night and that is Dylan Lang. So if you can grab a blade.

[John C. Dvorak]

They got a blade right here.

[Adam Curry]

It's folded 60 times. I see fantastic Dylan Lang hopping up in this podium. Sir, you have reached that milestone by supporting the no Agenda show, the best podcast in the universe in the amount of $1,000 or more. I'm very proud to pronounce the KD as sir. Dill pickle for you. We've got Hokers and Blow Rent boys and Chardonnay. We have Polish potato vodka, Harlots and Haldol, Redheads and ryes, Organic macaroni and plasticizers, beer and blunts, some Rubin esque women and Rose Brady geishas and sake vodka, Vanilla bung hits and bourbon, Sparkling cider and escorts, Ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. Or as everybody's favorite, it's the mutton and the mead. It's always ready for you. Go to noagendedrings.com everybody can take a look at the beautiful knight or dame ring that is displayed there. It's a signet ring, so we give you some wax. You can use that to seal your very important correspondence. It looks handsome. Everybody loves when the. Oh, look at that. This a wax seal. That's classy. No rings dot com. Let us know where to send it. All right, we got some groovy AI slop and some not coming up. Our end of the show mixes. But first we have to talk about our meetups. I can't remember when was the first no Agenda meetup. Do you remember what the first first one was? I can't remember. Is that the one we did in Austin, the big one, or were they going on?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think the meetups began with the Hot Pockets tour.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, yes. Okay, so that is a long time ago. Yeah. So maybe the first one was at our dame there in Virginia.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm thinking wherever the Hot Pockets tour started is where the is where it started.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's one taking place today and they are all over the world. It's a global phenomenon. No agenda producers get together, chat, hang out, learn about each other's skills. Some date, all kinds of good stuff happens. It really gives you connection. And with that connection automatically built in is protection. These people will be your first responders in an emergency, I guarantee it. Charlotte's Thursday. Thursday monthly starts at 7 o' clock tonight. Edge Tavern, Charlotte, North Carolina on Saturday. There he is. Leo Bravo is back with Flight of the no agenda number 73. 33pm Pacific. It's amazing. He does it in California. Anaheim, California Brewing Brewery x the rest of this month on the 23rd. Coeur d', Alene, Idaho the 26th. Clovis, California. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 27th and Evansville, Indiana on the 30th. They go all the way into next year. Go to noahjiddermeetups.com to get the full lowdown. If you can't find me in the eu, start one yourself. Easy. And always a party. You to be where you won't be.

[John C. Dvorak]

You want to be where everybody. It's like a party.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so now we are at the end of show isos which we always like to compete to see which what little bit we should end the show with. Which is always kind of fun. I don't know. Do people.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's no kind of competition. Let's just hold hands and tell a secret.

[Adam Curry]

Since I have four and I'm going to win, I'm going to play my four first. Here we go. It was really great and the performances were fantastic. Okay, I'll try my next one.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is.

[Adam Curry]

This is bonkers. I don't like that one. How about this one?

[John C. Dvorak]

And it takes balls, the weight and heft of anvils to pursue this.

[Adam Curry]

And I think this is a good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Clip, but I don't.

[Adam Curry]

It's too long. It's too long. It's too long. This one I think is AI. Wow. Adam and John hit it out of the park again. Compete with that Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I actually have the same clip. Damn near. This is ISO home run.

[Adam Curry]

Really? How is that. That show was a home run. Wow. Adam and John hit it out of the park again. I think mine.

[John C. Dvorak]

That is iai. So you're now moving into my territory. You're poaching as usual.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. TikTok clips are next.

[John C. Dvorak]

You already started those. Okay, let's start with. Let's go. How about bonus?

[Adam Curry]

Bonus. Bonus. Wow. Give these two guys a bonus. Yeah, I like. I'm already removing mine. I like that one a lot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, then we go to the two. I have two variations on the exact same clip.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, here comes with different.

[John C. Dvorak]

Into the.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's do number two first.

[Adam Curry]

What a great Show. Where is our picture? Peabody Award.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, try one.

[Adam Curry]

What a great show. Where is our Peabody Award? Nothing beats wow. Give these two guys a bonus.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the winner.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, everybody, it's time for John's coveted tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, First, I have a mea culpa to correct a record on the Shen Yen knife that whatever that knife was that we had. Tip is Chinese.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which is okay because it's still a folded knife. The Chinese have taken the Japanese. That's why it's cheap, this price.

[Adam Curry]

Although I saw the price went up to $75 on Amazon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suddenly it's normally 75. I think we sold out of the sale price ones. Yeah, you had to get them right away, so I did. 75 is still cheap because that's a 250 plus knife if it was Japanese. But it is, and I should have. I shouldn't. I probably knew this. But the pattern, the classic pattern that you get on the knife from dipping it in water and folding the blade so so much that's on there is. It's like they've toned it down. They. Some. I think the Japanese emphasize it so they put dye or something to make it look really. So really stands out. But it's a still killer knife. I got a number of notes from people telling me to make sure I correct the record on the origin of this knife.

[Adam Curry]

All right, all right, all right.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is the eggnog recipe this time.

[Adam Curry]

Ooh. Oh, is it? Don't tell me this is the. The Ben and Jerry's get Drunk.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no, no. This is a real eggnog recipe, and I'm going to read right from it. And this comes from. No, this is one of the 20 eggnog recipes or 10 to. I don't know how many there are in the. Too many eggs dot com. Go to toomanyeggs.com and download the PDF.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you. You got it. You got in trouble.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I. How do I get in trouble?

[Adam Curry]

Well, Mimi's like, you're talking about eggnog. You didn't promote my book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that. No, she never said that. I'm just promoting the book. But they. But there's plenty of eggnog recipes, including one somebody sent me from Alton Brown, who can't cook, by the way, for the aged eggnog, which is also in the cookbook. But this is not the age. This is the regular make an eggnog the hard way. I'm going to just read it. You can, you can tape this or you can just download.

[Adam Curry]

Have you tried this recipe?

[John C. Dvorak]

You just. Mimi has.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

And she's tried to done all these egg recipes, but the, the recipe is in the show notes. I'm going to read it and I'm going to read her writing. She wrote it. Since many people don't like raw egg eggnog, that's what I would have. It's too late and it's too late for an aged eggnog. I give you the cooked eggnog, an extravagant drink for the upper class. Winter eggs are an expensive luxury. Typically, the eggnog toast was on. And she goes on. Here's the classic basic warm eggnog recipe. 6 eggs, beaten 1/4 cup sugar 1/4 cup 1/4 teaspoon of salt. 1 cinnamon stick. 4 cups of milk or milk and cream. 1 teaspoon of vanilla extract. A quarter teaspoon of nutmeg. A quarter teaspoon of allspice. Massive addition of some alcohol. Before serving, stir nutmeg in as a garnish in a sauce. Here we go. In a saucepan, mix the beaten, eg, salt, cinnamon stick and two cups of milk. Heat over low heat, ideally in a double boiler, but on the stove directly. If you are careful. Stir constantly until the mixture gets to 160. Do not allow the milk to boil. Mixture will thicken slightly. Remove from heat. Stir in remaining milk and the vanilla extract. Stir in ground nutmeg and allspice. Pour into a container and refrigerate overnight. Then you're going to add your booze. There's your recipe. I don't know if it's the tip of the day, but that's what everyone wanted. Mainly you.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't need to hear you tell me how to make it. I've got the word doc right here in the show notes. Eggnog is good. Mimi told me to do it. She's got a knife to my throat. People go make this eggnog because that's what happened. We know what happened. There it is. Find it. But no agenda fun. Tipoftheday.net. And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnetti that is too many eggs. Dot com, everybody. Because I don't want to get in trouble. You know, the women of the no Agenda show, they're. They don't mess around. They want you to promote their, their stuff. But we're doing it. All right, everybody, that is it. Excuse me, Hairball. Hey, let me see. Coming up next on your no Agenda stream, we have. Oh, there it is you don't want to tune out GRIMERICA Episode number 740 with your co host John C. Devorak of the no Agenda show. It'll be rolling out right after this. Well worth hanging around for end of show mixes from mvp. And we've got a spam call because everything sucks on the Internet. You'll like that one a lot. And I'm getting ready for the kids to arrive. It should be fun coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country where the lights are all Christmassy and cute in the morning. Everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

And from northern Silicon Valley, where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Please join us for Sunday's show where we deconstruct another three plus hours of the insanity that is your media. Okay, we got receipts. Remember [e-mail] until then, adios mo foes. Hooey, hooey and such. Testing, testing, ho. Oh, hello world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Attention all elves.

[Adam Curry]

Please put down your quills. We are pivot tabling to a new paradigm. Welcome to Project Kringlebar. 2585. Sancho walked in with the headset on his ear said, I've checked the metrics for the fiscal.

[John C. Dvorak]

This handwriting business is slowing us down.

[Adam Curry]

We need data points on every kid in town. I bought a fancy server, put it on the sled. It's got a billion terabytes inside its metal head. So toss away the parchment, throw away the ink.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've got an algorithm that can tell.

[Adam Curry]

Me what to think. He tapped upon a tablet with a gleam inside his eye.

[John C. Dvorak]

Why check the list twice when the cloud can classify?

[Adam Curry]

But the elves are on the tables and they're unplugging the cords.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're blocking all the inputs with their tiny wooden swords singing.

[Adam Curry]

You can't automate the magic, Nick.

[John C. Dvorak]

You can't compute the joy. An AI doesn't know the love inside a wooden toy.

[Adam Curry]

The naughty list needs to want. The nice list needs us all.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're launching a rebellion at the frozen North Pole.

[Adam Curry]

No neural networks, no machine learning lies. We want paper, we want ink, we want want to unionize. The International Brotherhood of Team Slayers.

[John C. Dvorak]

The International Brotherhood of Team Slayers.

[Adam Curry]

John C. Devorak creates havoc for suno.com and he loves it. Is it Dvorak? Dvorak. Dvorak. Can you even say it? Suno.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Dvorak.

[Adam Curry]

Dvorak. He's Divorak D. The legend we see. But when the AI sings, the name.

[John C. Dvorak]

Sounds so weak.

[Adam Curry]

It'S Dorak Divorak, not Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Please.

[Adam Curry]

This Divorak problem is bringing me to my knees. Or the algorithm fails, the voice trips and it stalls trying to pronounce, pronounce the great Dvorak name for us all. Is it Dvorak? Is it Dvorak? It's just not right. The legacy of Dvorak lost in the digital night. Say it right. Dvorak the buzzkill first Duke. But the sound I like Dvorak is making me puke. Dvorak. Ho eff it. If none of these work, it's JC with a smirk. YouTube is full of ads.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spotify is full of ads.

[Adam Curry]

Tumblr is full of ads. Pinterest is full of ads. Everything uses AI. Every new update makes the website or app worse. YouTube Auto translates almost every video I want to watch. Watch. Sometimes Pinterest only loads ads for me. Check out this new AI feature. Here's a new update that breaks your laptop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a new update that breaks your phone.

[Adam Curry]

Why are you complaining about your phone? Just get the newest iPhone. Join my Patreon. Join my membership. Pay a monthly membership to get all features. Upgrade your membership to get even more features. Subscribe to Netflix. Subscribe to Disney. Subscribe to Amazon. Subscribe to subscribe to Hulu. This content isn't available in your country. This content was removed. This website was removed. This feature only exists for Apple. This app only exists for Apple. You need a WI FI connection to play this game. You need an account. We need your emails to finish creating this account. We need your number to finish creating this account. We need your ID to fit it. Creating this your account in order to delete your account, please write an email in order to delete your account, you need a laptop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oops.

[Adam Curry]

Our database was hacked and your information was stolen. Your data was sold from this random website you used 10 years ago. Spam Call. Spam call.

[John C. Dvorak]

Spam Call.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe. Adios mofo. Dvorak.org Na wow. Give these two guys a bonus.