John C. Dvorak (2:32)

With President Trump?

Adam Curry (2:36)

Get to it, get to it, get to it.

John C. Dvorak (2:39)

I have a couple. Another. There's two more clips. But before we play that, did you see the. Did you see Clinton's response to this when he was interviewed on one of the shows?

Adam Curry (2:47)

No, I didn't, I didn't.

John C. Dvorak (2:48)

Yeah, you're Clinton on Epstein. Listen to this.

Adam Curry (2:51)

Okay. Democrats thought they could finally get Trump with the Epstein files, but instead all they got was pictures of you buck naked in the jacuzzi with some girls. Aren't you afraid of Being arrested.

John C. Dvorak (3:05)

Well, to be honest, I'm more afraid.

Adam Curry (3:07)

Of that crazy waiting for me back home.

John C. Dvorak (3:10)

I'm not going back. That bitch kills people.

Adam Curry (3:13)

She even killed Jeffrey. Fuck that. Okay, Can I stay at your place? Okay, let's just slow down a bit.

John C. Dvorak (3:20)

Okay.

Adam Curry (3:21)

My. Even that stuff is getting a little old and it wasn't all that good.

John C. Dvorak (3:25)

And no, I agree it wasn't that, but I thought I'd slip it in.

Adam Curry (3:30)

By the way, he wasn't buck naked. He was wearing swimming trunks. You can obviously see them.

John C. Dvorak (3:35)

Yeah, I'm glad you corrected the AI on that.

Adam Curry (3:38)

Yeah, well, wherever you rip that off of like whatever hilarious podcast that put that together and slaved over it.

John C. Dvorak (3:48)

Okay. Back to. Back to PBS and Trump, very little.

Adam Curry (3:51)

And that's one thing that people were maybe anticipating getting more information on. But the files have some mentions of Trump and some conversations. Conversations, but no photos. One of the pieces of evidence that people were expecting was not in the release. And in general, the files were focused on other people in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit and not the current President of the United States. Even with that, this is now going to be spread out over several weeks. It's not going to be a one day story, one day headline. Does the White House have a strategy to deal with that? Well, their strategy so far has been largely to say a, that they are being very transparent. Transparent by taking or taking, doing this document release and following the law. A statement from a White House spokeswoman yesterday pretty much said just that and accused Democrats of not answering questions about their connections with Jeffrey Epstein. I think broadly, the White House would be happy for this whole issue to go away. And that is evidenced by the fact that President Trump spent months trying to prevent these documents from coming out. That led to a lot of discord within his MAGA base and led to some divisions within Congress amongst Republicans. In the end, they ended up passing this law and the President signed it. But some Democrats and in fact, at least one Republican are saying that the administration did not follow the law with its limited release on Friday. Oh, brother. Don't they understand how this works by now? Like, of course, you don't put everything out. You give them the first stuff. Everyone's disappointed. Following the law. Victims are protected. What's a victim? Not defined. Anybody can be a victim. And they put Copperfield in there. They got all the people they wanted. Luke Brunel, Jean Luc Brunel. It's like, what were you expecting? An entire trove of pictures of these dudes having sex?

John C. Dvorak (5:47)

I want to see the videotapes. I don't care what you say.

Adam Curry (5:52)

There's victims in those videotapes. You can't show that. No, I think I know what's going on here, but I'll wait until you're finished with your.

John C. Dvorak (6:02)

Well, let's just play clip three. And then.

Adam Curry (6:05)

Then what? Then, then, then, then. Well, one of those Republicans is the co sponsor, Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky. He tweeted today that the release grossly fails to comply with the law. What can they do? Can they go to go to court and sue over this? Well, that's a good question.

John C. Dvorak (6:23)

I don't know if that's something that.

Adam Curry (6:25)

They'Re thinking of doing. Certainly I do know, because this is what the Justice Department has said, is that they're planning to release more, but they are saying that there are so many things that have to go through. Couldn't basically do it all in one batch, but that there will be multiple additional batches coming. But as you say, even the co sponsor of the bill on the Republican side, Congressman Massie, is upset about that. Also, these documents are so heavily redacted. There are some pages that are just totally black from being blacked out, inked out. Is anybody talking about that or complaining about that?

John C. Dvorak (7:00)

Yes, there are concerns about that. I think in one case, there were.

Adam Curry (7:03)

100 pages of grand jury testimony that were redacted. Now, the law allows the Justice Department to release some of the files with redactions in specific instances with regard to victims of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes with regard to abuse. But the amount of the redactions surprised people who are expecting to get more information than they felt they received. And the law actually says they can't redact to protect the reputation of anybody. Anybody. Do we have any idea when these additional files are going to be released in the future?

John C. Dvorak (7:40)

All we know is that they'll be.

Adam Curry (7:41)

Coming out in batches in the coming weeks. So I would expect that journalists like ourselves will be watching this story over the holidays and probably well past that. And, and some of the questions that people were hoping to get answered in this first batch are the ones that will continue to be asked in terms of connections that other people had and.

John C. Dvorak (8:02)

Knowledge that other people had of.

Adam Curry (8:05)

And his crimes. Batches. Batches. Lots of batches. Yeah, I mean, this is. This was the obvious result to be expected. And. But they're going a little bit further. Let's just troll everybody a little bit more. Oh, oh, no, no, that, that. We'll take that one down. Oh, no. 16 are gone. What's going on. They were all Trump.

John C. Dvorak (8:26)

Tonight, questions for the Department of Justice around their initial release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Adam Curry (8:32)

More than a dozen photos that were available on the DOJ site Friday disappeared without explanation. No.

John C. Dvorak (8:39)

Including a photo of President Donald Trump. Photo of Trump. A few examples of Trump appearing in the documents release.

Adam Curry (8:46)

NBC News has asked DOJ why the.

John C. Dvorak (8:49)

Files were deleted and have not heard back.

Adam Curry (8:51)

It comes as the Department of Justice.

John C. Dvorak (8:53)

Released never before seen grand jury testimony.

Adam Curry (8:56)

Including from a witness who described how.

John C. Dvorak (8:58)

Epstein and his partner Ghislaine Maxwell lured her into their orbit. The unnamed victim recalling a situation in 2005 where at the age of 14, Epstein convinced her to give him a massage for 200.

Adam Curry (9:13)

200 bucks.

John C. Dvorak (9:13)

The massage quickly turned sexual and she was told, quote, the more you do, the more you make.

Adam Curry (9:20)

Stories like this, a reminder of the horror. That's the same for podcasts. The more you do, the more you.

John C. Dvorak (9:26)

Make or you do, the more you make.

Adam Curry (9:29)

Stories like this.

John C. Dvorak (9:30)

A reminder of the horror of Epstein's crimes. For the survivors demanding transparency, some saying at this point they feel like it's not enough.

Adam Curry (9:39)

It failed.

John C. Dvorak (9:40)

In our book, we haven't received full transparency.

Adam Curry (9:42)

It's heavily redacted and it's an incomplete release of the files.

John C. Dvorak (9:46)

Some Republicans, Democrats and survivors are warning the DOJ that they're not living up to the law passed almost unanimously by Congress. The department says they'll release all the files within the next two weeks. An NBC News analysis of the material shows that in the first release more than 680 pages have been redacted. So no surprise at all that we saw heavy redactions from DOJ because they had a lot of editorial discretion in this case. But Congress believes they deserve an explanation and plan to keep the pressure on the DOJ to make sure everything that should be made public is. I do think there's more here and it's worth more investigations to get to the bottom of this and put this.

Adam Curry (10:30)

And respect the victims. No Massey and Ro Khorana. What do we call them? Rokana Karana. That's even better. Corona. They wrote this law. I mean if you look at the law, this was the obvious result that was going to take place. I don't know if they're in on the gag here, by the way. They're not batches. I'm surprised that PBS doesn't know what they're actually called.

John C. Dvorak (10:55)

They did dumps. They call them dumps. Big massive dumps.

Adam Curry (10:59)

Dumps. Not batches. Dumps you dump.

John C. Dvorak (11:02)

So I had so a Couple of things about the law, you know, if you don't write the law with enforcement. Enforcement like. Like penalties within the law. Penalties. Yeah, and enforcement, like creating an agency to enforce the law or a group or somebody.

Adam Curry (11:23)

Nothing's going to happen.

John C. Dvorak (11:25)

Nothing's going to happen. So it should have. It should have had an enforcement clause. What? This has to be enforced in such a way by such and such a person. And the penalties, not traditional, not. Not following the law would be, you know, 15 years in prison and blah, blah, blah, whatever. They didn't put that in there. If that's not in there, what's the point?

Adam Curry (11:46)

Well, the point was, is to do exactly what's happening now. We need to continue. This has to keep going for. I don't know, maybe we could keep it going for another six months. You know, get it a little closer to the midterms. I'm.

John C. Dvorak (12:00)

Then roll out the last batch.

Adam Curry (12:02)

Dump, dump, massive dump. I'm convinced that that Mike bends is some form of limited hangout. I know I said it, and maybe not knowingly, but he did a five hour, what he calls a super stream. I'm doing a super stream, everybody. Have you ever seen that guy?

John C. Dvorak (12:22)

I have seen him, yes. I mentioned him somewhere and I got condemned for mentioning him.

Adam Curry (12:29)

By whom?

John C. Dvorak (12:31)

Somebody who condemned me.

Adam Curry (12:32)

I don't know, a condemner. Well, that's no good. And here's the way Mike Ben said, I've solved it. So. Okay, I'll watch your super stream then. Which I did. And I think he has the. He got the right information and he's on the right track. His thesis, which he can back up with quite a lot of, at least evidence that puts Epstein in the right place at the right time, is that he was much more of like a strategic middleman. And he was doing this back in the day. Well, a little bit, yeah. Probably back in the day we had bcci. Now, I don't know if everybody remembers the bank of Credit and Commerce International, bcci, which had this spectacular collapse, as it turned out that what this bank was, besides it being pretty much a Ponzi scheme, what they were doing is they were laundering money for intelligence agencies, certainly for the CIA, MI6, I think. I don't. Was Mossad in there as well? Everybody?

John C. Dvorak (13:36)

I don't remember if Mossad was involved.

Adam Curry (13:38)

There was a great movie about it called. Was it the Internationalist?

John C. Dvorak (13:43)

It was called the International, yeah.

Adam Curry (13:45)

Oh, the International. There you go. The International. And so if you needed to arm.

John C. Dvorak (13:50)

The movie, which is a great movie by the way, it's a fun movie.

Adam Curry (13:53)

It's a great movie to watch. And it's based on facts, truth, real story. Real story. So if you wanted to arm the Mujahideen, then you'd send the money through bcci and BCCI would take care of everything. Now on the US side, for our intelligence agencies, in order to move some of that money around, we had Bear Stearns. This is where Jeffrey Epstein all of a sudden becomes the rising star. Doesn't matter how much he steals from his expense account. He's a protected man within the bank and he's moving money around. This was his talent. His talent was making all the connections, making sure everything worked, getting the money in, moving it around. Eventually he moves out to Epstein island. Not for privacy for his little sexcapades. And by the way, he was sick. He definitely, he was into all this stuff. So I'm sure there's all kinds of ancillary hanky panky stuff going on and some blackmail possibly. But he also had a bank, the Virgin Islands, so he now could move money back and forth. No scrutiny, it would seem. North Sea nexus, kind of like, but not that I want to draw that in per se, because it was really for our intelligence. Remember when they, when they were prosecuted? You're writing him up for the first prosecution. Oh, no, this guy, he belongs to Intelligence? Yeah, he belongs to Intelligence. He's moving the money. And how do you do that? Well, you know, you get rich people to hang around you and rich people love hanging around really rich people and they love doing dumb rich people things and, you know, yeah, cool dentist chair. I got some ideas that we can do with that. These, they're all, Once you're that wealthy, you just become ill and sick and people with power, but that was his game. Then we have 2008 Bear Stearns collapses. Weren't they the only one that collapsed?

John C. Dvorak (15:51)

No, Lehman Brothers.

Adam Curry (15:52)

Lehman as well. So everything had to be moved over to another bank and that was J.P. morgan. And that makes total sense in Mike Benz's superstream story because there's all these suspicious activity reports. 800,000 here, a couple million there. We don't know where it's going. We need some cash. Pay that person. For all we know, some of these women involved, we're, we're carrying cash. I think that is much more likely to be the real story. And maybe, maybe this, this will come to light. It seems kind of doubtful, but the fact that Mike Benz was putting this together on a super stream at the same time. These, you know, these batches Batches were coming out. I think that's the real story. I just don't see. And if you really think about it, the whole pedophiles started. It really was an online thing. There was never any evidence for it. It came on the heels of Pizzagate, and there's definitely creepy people involved in Pizzagate. The Podesta brothers. Very creepy. Absolutely. And then we just had. Then it was the Democrats. All the Democrats are pedophiles. And Trump.

John C. Dvorak (17:12)

I like the idea of pedophile cover for a bank scam.

Adam Curry (17:17)

I think it's a good one. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (17:20)

Because it draws all your attention.

Adam Curry (17:23)

Well, it certainly has. And of course, all we want to see is Trump being a pedophile. That's all we want to see. So none of it really seems to pan out ever. But maybe. Maybe someone will be unmasked, Uncovered. It seems unlikely, because what PR value does that even have? Would people even care? Oh, what, he was laundering money for us to pay, you know, arm the Mujahideen or the Iran Contras? That's boring. Show me the pizza.

John C. Dvorak (17:54)

It is boring.

Adam Curry (17:55)

Show me the pizza.

John C. Dvorak (17:56)

No, it's not interesting.

Adam Curry (17:57)

No. And of course, Trump can't get a district attorney appointed at the moment. Everyone's stopping stuff. So I think that this is just going to keep on going. Hopefully there's some sacrificial lamb somewhere along the line at the end that we can point to just before the midterms. I think that's. That's what the ultimate idea would be. And it makes a lot of sense with. With Maxwell, you know, that's. That was her family business. Was doing that stuff with Adnan Khashoggi, by the way. Familiar name. Khashoggi.

John C. Dvorak (18:33)

Yeah. The guy they shot.

Adam Curry (18:35)

Yeah. But his dad was the international arms dealer.

John C. Dvorak (18:39)

Yeah, the one. Yeah. One of the world's richest men.

Adam Curry (18:42)

Yeah. Buddies with Maxwell. So all of that kind of fits in a lot better than anything else. And of course, when you have this kind of money and, you know, Epstein had to have his own cover. Oh, I'm an international financier. What does that mean? Well, I finance things internationally. What do you finance? Oh, science. Mit, Media Lab. No, he's a bag man. He's just a bag man. And he probably did a really good job. Job. I'm still surprised we don't have anything from Zorro Ranch. That seems like that's something that's missing. No one ever talks about it. Zorro Ranch. It seems like that was the real ground zero.

John C. Dvorak (19:21)

The thing that bothers me the most is that he always seemed to be, you know, never seemed to be the head guy. And. And. And Wexler never comes up in the conversation ever.

Adam Curry (19:32)

No.

John C. Dvorak (19:33)

And Wexler has to be one of the main players here because he's the one who put the house together and who knows what else he did.

Adam Curry (19:42)

Totally. Could be part of some Mafio property.

John C. Dvorak (19:45)

In New York that Epstein lived in.

Adam Curry (19:47)

Yes. Yeah. So. But we're also. And you remember then we got the Wayfair. Remember a Wayfair. They're shipping kids in boxes. You remember that?

John C. Dvorak (19:58)

No, I don't remember that.

Adam Curry (19:59)

You know what Wayfair is? Wayfair is the. The furniture company.

John C. Dvorak (20:02)

The furniture email company that make cheap furniture.

Adam Curry (20:05)

Yeah. And they would say, look at this cabinet. It's priced at $99,000. There's a kid inside. That's why I can't. It's funny. You don't remember that. That was.

John C. Dvorak (20:17)

I don't remember that.

Adam Curry (20:18)

That was a big thing. I wonder, do we still have.

John C. Dvorak (20:21)

I don't. Did we do clips on it? Do we even talk about it?

Adam Curry (20:23)

Yeah, no, we definitely talked about it. Let me see. Wait.

John C. Dvorak (20:26)

Find me a clip. I don't know.

Adam Curry (20:31)

May. Not May.

John C. Dvorak (20:32)

No.

Adam Curry (20:33)

I don't seem to have anything. I'm pretty sure we did something on it. Anyway. Meanwhile, what no one's talking about is Operation Relentless justice, which was announced on Friday. 205 child victims located. 293 child sex abuse offenders arrested in nationwide crackdown. Seems like that's kind of important. You didn't even hear about it.

John C. Dvorak (21:02)

No. The mainstream media is focused on Epstein and Trump.

Adam Curry (21:05)

Yeah. And this was. This was Texas. Raleigh, North Carolina, Miami, Greggy's Cult. I mean, these are all good names.

John C. Dvorak (21:16)

Yeah. They can't do. They don't want to. I hate to say this, but it's a. Seems to be a fact. They really don't want to even bring it up because it makes them look bad because they're supporting, you know, the idea that ICE are bad people and they should be protested against and let's keep it at that.

Adam Curry (21:36)

So I think this will just carry on. They'll continue to wait for something on Trump, like morons, really dumb. And we'll see. So CBS did say that there were videos released. Did you see. Were there no videos that anybody saw?

John C. Dvorak (21:54)

I didn't see any videos. Photos tonight of many of the powerful who ran and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein Circle. Bill Clinton seems swimming in a pool with Ghislaine Maxwell and another woman with her face redacted. Clinton with another unknown woman on his lap. Celebrities, too, including Michael Jackson and Diana Ross. Epstein with Mick Jagger and Chris Tucker with Maxwell.

Adam Curry (22:16)

Many of the records are heavily redacted.

John C. Dvorak (22:18)

Survivors say suspiciously so, including Epstein grand jury records. We do see Epstein's book of contacts with the name of President Trump, his late wife and his daughter Ivanka. A list of girls or young women.

Adam Curry (22:30)

Listed as masseuses keeps the names private.

John C. Dvorak (22:33)

But shows there were more than 250. How confident are you at the end of the day, at the end of this period?

Adam Curry (22:39)

You'll get everything. I don't feel tremendously confident that everything will come out.

John C. Dvorak (22:45)

Survivors, including Annie Farmer, have been fighting.

Adam Curry (22:47)

For years for the release of records.

John C. Dvorak (22:49)

And say they're frustrated these records are incomplete.

Adam Curry (22:52)

There's been a lot of effort and money and time put into redactions, not to protect victims, but to protect people in power. These two people. You only hear the woman talking. She is a family member of Virginia Gwifray Giuffre. And they both have giant monarch butterfly pins on their sweaters during this interview. We know what that means.

John C. Dvorak (23:21)

Wow, that's pretty peculiar.

Adam Curry (23:23)

MKUltra. It's meant to trigger.

John C. Dvorak (23:26)

I mean, that's a symbol. Yeah, but what is the connection there?

Adam Curry (23:31)

MK Ultra like.

John C. Dvorak (23:32)

Yeah, I know, but who. What was. What are they trying to accomplish, if true?

Adam Curry (23:36)

Oh, anyone who has information when. The minute they see the butterflies, they're programming and then they're back into brainwash mode. That's how it supposedly works. I know you're skeptical.

John C. Dvorak (23:53)

I'm very skeptical.

Adam Curry (23:55)

You're skeptical, but it's okay. And then Mick Jagger, you know. Oh, Mick Jagger. Yeah. The photos you don't see are the 30 photos of him in concert. I mean, they clearly went to his. Went to the Rolling Stones concert, took pictures backstage, maybe had a dinner in the hotel. Michael Jackson and Diana Ross. Oh, yeah, they're probably involved, you know.

John C. Dvorak (24:19)

But see, seems unlikely, of course.

Adam Curry (24:23)

So cool your jets, everybody. You're getting absolutely nothing. Nothing. And everywhere things are going to start falling apart in the Potter sphere. Or as you aptly said on Grimerica, the podcast Circle Jerk, I think. Is that what you said?

John C. Dvorak (24:40)

Something like that.

Adam Curry (24:41)

It was good. People are reposting them. Yeah. Look at Dvorak's. Yeah. Podcast Circle Jerk. Well, we're going to complete the circle jerk. This came out this morning. This is an important information.

John C. Dvorak (24:53)

As most of you that pay attention know, I am not the Internet police.

Adam Curry (24:58)

Does any. Was anyone confused? Just want to make sure. Did anyone think Alex Jones was the Internet Police. Okay, just checking.

John C. Dvorak (25:06)

I don't in fight. I don't try to focus on what.

Adam Curry (25:10)

Other people are theorizing about or doing. I try to focus on what I'm doing.

John C. Dvorak (25:13)

Wait, wait, stop. Is he in his car?

Adam Curry (25:17)

No, he's outside though. It is one. The selfie cam.

John C. Dvorak (25:21)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (25:21)

He's in the woods. He's in nature.

John C. Dvorak (25:23)

In the woods. Okay. He's this his latest thing. He's in the woods. Always be behind the table. But now he's.

Adam Curry (25:29)

Now he's in the woods. Now he's in the woods. In nature. This is important. This is what you do. And so it's with a heavy heart.

John C. Dvorak (25:35)

That I am forced to put out.

Adam Curry (25:37)

Another report either tonight or tomorrow morning. We're adding a lot of information right now.

John C. Dvorak (25:41)

A lot more research dealing with Candace Owens. Just as soon as the whole Egyptian.

Adam Curry (25:48)

Plane thing gets debunked with all the.

John C. Dvorak (25:49)

Facts now she's moved to something else.

Adam Curry (25:52)

And I'm really worried about her. I'm worried about her and her mother mind. And I'm also worried about the country where this is going. It's good to question Charlie Kirk assassination. I have big questions. We know Cashel covered up an investigation to accomplices. I broke that before I hit the mainstream news. Yeah, I did it.

John C. Dvorak (26:06)

So I'm not saying, no question, I.

Adam Curry (26:08)

Broke that months ago.

John C. Dvorak (26:09)

But her latest source and what she's.

Adam Curry (26:11)

Done, implicating the US Military and all.

John C. Dvorak (26:14)

This other stuff is just so damaging.

Adam Curry (26:16)

When you investigate it.

John C. Dvorak (26:17)

It's so crazy.

Adam Curry (26:18)

And just like with the Egyptian place, she says she has the metadata.

John C. Dvorak (26:22)

Then publish it. And when she did publish it and.

Adam Curry (26:26)

They got fact checked, it wasn't accurate.

John C. Dvorak (26:28)

Candace, we care about you, but you just doubled down again with something even more absurd. And I hate watching you destroy yourself like this. We'll be covering it all with the reports coming out at real life shows on X on rumble and infowars.com God bless you all.

Adam Curry (26:47)

You know that it's bad when Alex Jones is calling you out. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (26:51)

I have to play two clips about Candace that showed up on Gutfeld.

Adam Curry (26:58)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (26:59)

Mainly because Michael Malice said something that I thought was interesting. You would find it interesting. And Alex Jones just used the term double down. So let's play. Let's see. Candace did just a little clip from Michael on Owens. No, Owens on Piers Morgan. This is the. This. This was the setup.

Adam Curry (27:20)

Brigitte Crone has a penis. I really want to. Brigitte Macron has a penis. No, she doesn't. I'm sorry. She had three children. Did she get it removed? She had three children. Yeah. You, you, you, you can have adoptive children, you can call somebody, but Brigitte Macron was born a dude named Jean Michel Trognell. And I just feel. I want you to know that.

John C. Dvorak (27:38)

I want you to know that Brigitte.

Adam Curry (27:39)

Macro probably stands peeing up. Probably is. The beauty is we have a big bet. I think we have a big bet, and we're going to find out because it's going to court.

John C. Dvorak (27:49)

And you know you.

Adam Curry (27:51)

You will lose that court case. I think you know you will. Yeah. I am not going to lose a court case because Brigitte is presenting evidence.

John C. Dvorak (27:58)

That Brigitte was born a woman.

Adam Curry (28:00)

Because that's never even been offered. That's just their PR coming after and saying these things. Nobody believes that. Brigitte Macron is just unable to present any pictures. Nobody's asking for blood. All right, let's wait for the court case. Let's wait for the court case. Okay, great. And you will be proven wrong again.

John C. Dvorak (28:17)

Federal corruption.

Adam Curry (28:18)

Okay. Federal corruption.

John C. Dvorak (28:21)

She went off. So can I just say.

Adam Curry (28:24)

Can I just say one thing about proof of stuff like that they humiliated, in fact, Kamala Harris, I believe, humiliated Michael Jackson and forced him to show his penis to the court. But of course it was, you know, it wasn't published because of certain distinguishing marks that had been claimed by children he allegedly had sex with or fooled around with. Why can't they do the same to Brigitte Macron?

John C. Dvorak (28:57)

They just might. But the point is, is that they went around. They went around the horn. And out of the blue, at the very end, Michael Malice said the following thing that I thought you'd be interested.

Adam Curry (29:07)

In before you any conspiracy theory. I have to ask myself what would need to be true for this to be true.

John C. Dvorak (29:12)

She has had biological children. Yes. And they say her brother vanished and now the brother replaced her. The brother's still alive?

Adam Curry (29:18)

Yeah. And he's given interviews. So this doesn't make any sense on any level. Yeah. It's just like, what? I mean, is she insane?

John C. Dvorak (29:27)

I think it's bpd.

Adam Curry (29:28)

And when they have that, they just always double down.

John C. Dvorak (29:30)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (29:31)

Which is borderline bipolar disorder. Borderline personality.

John C. Dvorak (29:35)

Oh, personality disorder.

Adam Curry (29:36)

Oh, okay.

John C. Dvorak (29:39)

And he said the phrase, they always double down. Oh.

Adam Curry (29:45)

The reason John is bringing this up is my. My ex wife had. I believe. I can't prove it. Had this disorder. Has.

John C. Dvorak (29:56)

And.

Adam Curry (29:57)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (30:00)

Well, when he said they always double down, and he said it matter of factly in such a way that he's had relationships with a woman, I'm guessing, or he has a relative who has bipolar or not bipolar.

Adam Curry (30:14)

Borderline personality disorder.

John C. Dvorak (30:16)

Borderline personality disorder, the way he said it. And then when Alex Jones said double down in the clip you played, which just kind of backs it up, I brought it up. Not to point out anything in your past, but have you noticed the double down thing? What does that even mean?

Adam Curry (30:35)

Here's how I experienced it, because it wasn't in the context of doing a podcast, which I saw now I really have to think about it. But it would. It wasn't even a double down. It was a constant down. So something would trigger it, and it would be. Could be the smallest thing, and you could see it go from 0 to 150 in 30 seconds. And it would. And then it was just bam, bam, bam, blah, blah. Just verbal over. Well, until it wasn't verbal, but verbal verbal. And then double down, triple down, quadruple down. This is it. And then, poof, it would disappear just like snow before the sun. And then the person wouldn't even know actually what had happened. So now I have to look at Candace in that light. Oh, crap. No, I got to watch it again in. So, yes, it. It's kind of an insane thing. Like, yes, I'm right. I'm. This is absolutely right. This is. This is the truth. This is how it is. And just keep on going.

John C. Dvorak (31:43)

So I guess that's what she was doing right there with Piers Morgan.

Adam Curry (31:46)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (31:47)

Got a penis, got a penis. Got a penis.

Adam Curry (31:50)

All right, end of show, mixers. There you go. Got a penis, got a penis.

John C. Dvorak (31:54)

I don't think so. Yeah.

Adam Curry (31:57)

Oh, I think so now. Wow.

John C. Dvorak (31:59)

I don't think so.

Adam Curry (32:00)

Well, that's that. And that would make, you know, in light of her friendship with Kanye, that would. That.

John C. Dvorak (32:09)

Oh, that's a nice twist.

Adam Curry (32:11)

That kind of fits in a way.

John C. Dvorak (32:13)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (32:13)

Well, I guess that could take us right to the new psyop of the day, which I think you identified this on X. Nick Reinhardt, all of a sudden. All of a sudden changed his meds. All of a sudden he did something with his meds. It's all. He went crazy. Do you have any clips on that?

John C. Dvorak (32:35)

Do I. I don't think so, because this just came up. And it came up mostly didn't come up insofar as clips are concerned, because there wasn't any reports on it, except it started showing up, and when it showed up, it showed up bang, bang, bang.

Adam Curry (32:49)

Yeah, here I have. I have a couple clips. Hold on, NBC. Tonight, we're learning more about the mental state of Nick. Now Charged with two counts of first degree murder for the killings of his parents, Hollywood actor and director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. A judge in Reiner's case signed a sealed medical order on Friday. According to three sources with direct knowledge of the case. The 32 year old was being treated for a serious psychiatric disorder at the time of the crime. The sources tell NBC News Reiner had been diagnosed some years ago with schizophrenia and was on medication which had been changed or adjusted before the killing things. How does this new information and what we're learning potentially impact the case moving forward?

John C. Dvorak (33:28)

It's almost certain that mental health will either be a defense or an issue that's raised right now as far as Nick Reiner's competency to move forward with the legal proceedings.

Adam Curry (33:38)

Nick Reiner did not enter a plea during his first court appearance Wednesday, his attorneys standing to obscure his face and later urging the public not to rush to judgment.

John C. Dvorak (33:48)

There are very, very complex and serious issues that are associated with this case.

Adam Curry (33:55)

Legal analysts say if Reiner does stand trial, his defense may be setting the stage for an insanity plea. Which means that the defendant says, I did it, but I was insane at the time.

John C. Dvorak (34:07)

That is an incredibly high bar.

Adam Curry (34:10)

Kind of fits with your. Where did that superstar defense defense attorney come from? From.

John C. Dvorak (34:16)

There's a couple of things that can't be explained. Where did that guy come from? I've watched and watched and watched. Like no one has come up with anybody that referred him or how he got there in the first place. The second little thing that keeps cropping up is that if he gets off on a insanity plea. Insanity plea. It's the only way he can collect any of the inheritance.

Adam Curry (34:40)

Wow. The perfect crime.

John C. Dvorak (34:42)

So it's very. And it's a substantial amount of inheritance. And it's believed that the attorney will get a big piece of it.

Adam Curry (34:49)

Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

John C. Dvorak (34:55)

So he dreams this up because there is no reference to schizophrenia by the family, by Rami, by anybody that ever said, well, you know, he's. They always thought he was a violent kid. And, and his, and his associates talk to him about. Talk about him. You know, in other words, his friends had talked about him being kind of a spoiled brat and this sort of thing. And there's no mention of schizophrenia.

Adam Curry (35:22)

I was watching this like a six minute video. I think the New York Post published it. And it's someone kind of doing like a profile piece on, on this Reiner kid. And, you know, he's a rapper and he's walking down the street and he's spitting lyrics and it's all in kind of this weird accent. And he says, I love Trump. Trump's my boy. Which I just thought was interesting. He's doing, he's doing coke, you know, smoking weed, just. But either that was an entire. Well, if you're schizophrenic, I guess that would be an entire personality. Kept that going pretty long. But he had had, you know, hangers on and all kinds of odd people that, that latch onto a person like this, you know, because they can hang out in the guest house. Here's KTLA closer to the Source. Prosecutors say 32 year old Nick Reiner murdered his parents, stabbing Rob and Michelle Reiner to death in their bedroom. The fact that Nick battled drug addiction for much of his life is no secret. But now TMZ is reporting, citing unnamed sources. Unnamed sources. That's a troubled son of Hollywood. Roya had been diagnosed with schizophrenia, a brain disorder, and that medications he was taking were not working properly but making him more erratic, dangerous and out of his head. What's more, TMZ says this information points to a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity. KTLA spoke with doctors who say the idea that antipsychotic medication can make a patient more violent or dangerous. Dangerous is unbelievable. They say a problem would be the absence of medication. The incidence of violence with schizophrenia is basically no different than any other regular human being. If you add things like substance abuse, not taking medication, other factors, dangerous factors does increase the risk of violence. You know, on average about, you know, across about five years, there's an odds of about 2.8% of people with schizophrenia.

John C. Dvorak (37:28)

Will have violence, violent actions compared to.

Adam Curry (37:31)

0.8% of regular people. So they're gonna have to prove a lot in court. Interesting report came out today, you know, because the Reiners were at Conan o' Brien's Christmas party. I thought Conan, I never really pegged Conan o' Brien to be such a Hollywood guy. Did you ever think of him that way?

John C. Dvorak (37:55)

Well, he was always a writer. He was with the Simpsons for a while. He's. Yeah, kind of.

Adam Curry (38:02)

But you know, to have the Reiners over the Obamas and I don't know if the Obamas were there, but, you know, he had this big Christmas party and so that's where the, the fracas started.

John C. Dvorak (38:14)

And it wasn't his house, it was at a restaurant.

Adam Curry (38:18)

Okay, that a restaurant. But at his party. Party.

John C. Dvorak (38:21)

And it got a private restaurant party.

Adam Curry (38:25)

So according to Page Six. Oh, actually it comes from the Daily Mail even more credible that they got. It got so bad and so loud that people wanted to call the police. They wanted to call 911 and Conan said, hey, this. Well, he said, it's my house, my party. So I don't know if he says my house.

John C. Dvorak (38:45)

It's supposed to be a restaurant, but I could have been his house.

Adam Curry (38:48)

So he talked everybody out of calling 911 1. How do you feel now if that's true?

John C. Dvorak (38:54)

I don't know if that's even. You know.

Adam Curry (38:57)

It's in the Daily Mail, man.

John C. Dvorak (39:01)

Yeah, he could, I guess. The Reiners left and they. And Rick stayed behind. Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Rick. Nick stayed behind and started grilling people about if they're famous. And he was making a scene of some sort of.

Adam Curry (39:17)

Hmm. Well, yes. D D D David is his hip hop name. D, D D David Crazy.

John C. Dvorak (39:28)

Well, he'll get some creds.

Adam Curry (39:29)

Yeah. Yes. Street cred. It's all incredibly Sad. The other M5M fracas this week was the. The announcers for the Flyers game. Oh, my Lord. We have to. We gotta jump in. We have to penalize them for games. This is H out over the airwaves. I can't believe what the announcer said on a hot mic. Did you hear what he said on the hot mic, John?

John C. Dvorak (39:56)

No, I did not hear what he said on the hot mic. Adam. In Philadelphia, we said sometimes the Flyers get a sense of urgency when they're playing from behind. Now they're going to take the TV timeout. We'll take it as well. Seven gone in the third.

Adam Curry (40:09)

It's three, two, Buffalo on the Philadelphia Flyers broadcast network.

John C. Dvorak (40:18)

While you're down there, would you mind blowing me? I think we're still on the air, Tim.

Adam Curry (40:27)

I love that.

John C. Dvorak (40:28)

How many.

Adam Curry (40:29)

This is like the oldest joke in broadcasting. Someone's doing some wires or fixing your mic.

John C. Dvorak (40:34)

Yeah. Down to your feet.

Adam Curry (40:36)

Yeah. And then. And everyone's made this joke. Hey, where you're down there when you mind blowing me. And he says it, and it's still. And they're still on the air. Everyone loses their mind. Like, that's every podcast ever.

John C. Dvorak (40:48)

That sounds like it was set up.

Adam Curry (40:53)

Now I can see that happening.

John C. Dvorak (40:54)

The problem is I'm having now is I'm having trouble with the setup stuff that I'm seeing way too much of.

Adam Curry (41:00)

Like.

John C. Dvorak (41:02)

Well, the. The best example is the person going up to the porch, picking up a package. The package. They run out to their car and the package blows up and throws paint all over them. The car, the whole area.

Adam Curry (41:12)

Well, most of those are AI Guy.

John C. Dvorak (41:15)

Well, most of those are bull crap.

Adam Curry (41:18)

I mean, there's one original guy.

John C. Dvorak (41:20)

There's hundreds of them. There's hundreds.

Adam Curry (41:21)

No, those are all bullcrap. But there's one original guy who really put in the work with the technology and had, you know, pumps and all kinds of stuff to spray, fart, spray. That guy's fantastic.

John C. Dvorak (41:33)

Yeah, well, it's become a joke. And it's like. And I think it's being done by Amazon Studios.

Adam Curry (41:40)

Oh, that would make sense, wouldn't it?

John C. Dvorak (41:42)

Yeah, to keep people from stealing packages. And I think it's pretty. And there's another. There's another fake one that's going around. I've seen at least four examples. It's a news. Supposedly a newscast. The eyewitness crime report or something's always got the same set, sometimes two different people. And then they have. And then they show a picture of a. And then we have a. We have a drawing of the suspected salient. And then they put a picture up and there's some stupid drawing, like a, you know, just a round face with two dots for eyes.

Adam Curry (42:15)

Oh, oh, with the hair. The hair on the side of the head or whatever.

John C. Dvorak (42:18)

And then they show the guy and it's the same guy and they crack up and one of them falls off his chair. I have seen four versions of this. Are you kidding? And it's always the same set. There's no reference to any station. It's bull crap. There's so much bull crap being put on the.

Adam Curry (42:34)

Wait, wait. Are you telling me that AI Slop is ruining your social media?

John C. Dvorak (42:39)

Serious AI I think this was. I think this is done staged. It doesn't have to be AI I.

Adam Curry (42:44)

Think you're underestimating AI This. This stuff has gotten pretty good.

John C. Dvorak (42:51)

I. This doesn't look like AI to me. But whatever the case, it's just another phony balloon thing. But the package is blowing up, is completely out of control. And. And then they have one where the electricity starts and this and the. And you can see the person. You know, in fact, they. You see somebody lift the package. There's nothing in the package. It's obvious. You can't have a gallon of paint. Gallon of paint weighs a lot. I don't know if anyone's picked a gallon of paint up. But it's not like light. No. So then, anyway, so I'm seeing more and more of these stage. Which of course throws me. Which you should follow up with. You should say to me, well, don't you think some of these Women that you keep putting on the show. The TikTok complainers are phone.

Adam Curry (43:33)

Well, why would I do that if you're doing my work for me?

John C. Dvorak (43:37)

I'm doing your work for you. Because I was watching a couple today and it was like, I don't think so.

Adam Curry (43:42)

No, of course not. And even the ones that are real, they're just very sad, very lonely people who just want some likes to feel warmth. That's all.

John C. Dvorak (43:54)

It's becoming. It's becoming a embarrassing mess.

Adam Curry (43:59)

A nuisance.

John C. Dvorak (44:00)

It's a nuisance, actually, on my feet, it is a nuisance.

Adam Curry (44:03)

Well, you.

John C. Dvorak (44:04)

Well, I mean, this is like the same, the same thing you pointed out, which is these cooking demos.

Adam Curry (44:09)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (44:10)

Where somebody dumps a bunch of crap in a pan and they start stirring it up and then they put tons of cheese and they mix it up and then they throw this in cans of this and that and mix it up and then they serve it to the kids who go, yum. And it's just gross. Whatever it is, it's great. The Internet is deteriorating.

Adam Curry (44:31)

Well, it's. It's, you know, that has a term, insidification. That's the, that's the term term. But yeah, it's. This is exactly what this is. This is entropy of the social networks. You don't even need I for AI for it. Once you let everybody go, man, that's a huge conversation or podcast index. Social like, well, the Americans with a section 230. I said, listen, without section 230, there would be no social media networks, period. It wouldn't happen. There's no way. There would be too many lawsuits and tort and libel and it would never ever end. Well, America should get rid of that. Here in Australia we have sensible laws. You can't say Nazi. Oh, you mean you don't have free speech over the there. Well, they all think that. It's about what you can say, man, my daughter's here, I just gotta tell you. She and her fiance Kevin. So they've given me like boots on the ground of Rotterdam. Holy crap. First of all, it's a complete narco state. Everybody is involved in the drug trade one way or the other. If they're an accountant, they're an accountant for drug pushers, dealers, wholesalers, whatever, whatever. Of course, the macro mafia. It's a lot of Moroccans who are mainly in the drug trade, but not exclusively. One building a week is being blown up, Just a whole building, all drug related. There are schools that are for Muslim children only. They don't learn Dutch. They Only learn Arabic. They, you know, honor killings are regular business. Of course, all the asylum seekers are all getting housing free in a market where there's 400,000. Home shortage for the Dutch. These kids, they want a two bedroom apartment. They can't actually find one because there's, you know, the minute it goes on the market, there's 10,000 people ahead of them within five minutes. And then there's these required salary. You have to prove salary requirements for a two bedroom apartment together. You have to make €115,000 a year. Well, no. And I said, well, can't you work more and then just get up to that level? Oh, no, the law. You can't work more than 32 hours a week. Even if you want to work harder to make more money. You can't. No, no. Because that's a 32 hour workweek for everybody. Justice is completely gone. Like there was some asylum seeker who. He stabbed multiple people, killed one of them. Evidence in court showed they'd been watching extremist imams and ISIS beheading videos. He watched videos in preparation of his attack, had Islamic chants on his phone that he played over his own little loudspeaker, shouted Alo Akbar while pulling out two knives, stabbing random tourists. What does he get? No jail time because of his mental condition. I mean, wow. So I don't even know how I got there. But what were we talking about?

John C. Dvorak (48:20)

You talked about your, your daughter came and was. Is visiting and you got an earful. And then I said what? I. I triggered it.

Adam Curry (48:29)

Yeah. I can't remember what was going on before that.

John C. Dvorak (48:32)

Well, we were talking about something else.

Adam Curry (48:33)

Yeah, Something important. So on top of all that, they're going to steal more of their money. As we have a final decision, a final deal, we figured out how to do it. We know how to fund Ukraine. All eyes were on Brussels as EU leaders met make or break summit, determined to find a way to lend billions.

John C. Dvorak (48:55)

Of euros to Ukraine.

Adam Curry (48:57)

By the early hours of Friday, a deal was done as a matter of urgency. We will provide a loan backed by the European Union budget. This will address the urgent financial needs of Ukraine. And Ukraine will only repay this loan once Russia face reparations. Until then, the immobilized Russian assets will remain immobilized and the union reserves its right to make use of the cash balances to finance the loan. The main option had been to tap.

John C. Dvorak (49:35)

Some of the 200 billion euros of.

Adam Curry (49:37)

Russian central bank assets frozen in the eu. But that scheme fell by the wayside.

John C. Dvorak (49:42)

When Belgium's PM pushed Back his country.

Adam Curry (49:45)

Hosts the bulk of the assets and feared Moscow retaliation in the courts or perhaps by other means. Germany's Chancellor called this decision a show of Europe's independence. Today we were really put to independence. We are confronted with a question of whether we really understood the challenges of geopolitics, whether we really saw the provocations of a new world order and whether we had anything to counter the them with.

John C. Dvorak (50:11)

And I want to say that the.

Adam Curry (50:12)

Answer is a resounding yes. The EU says Ukraine needs another 135.

John C. Dvorak (50:17)

Billion euros to stay afloat over the.

Adam Curry (50:20)

Next two years and the cash crunch could hit as soon as April. So here's how I understand this deal. Instead of just stealing the money, they've now come up with some word salad. First of all, because of the powers they have under emergency situations, they no longer have to re ratify every six months that the Russian assets are frozen. So now they're frozen indefinitely. Instead of stealing the money, we're going to take the money and call it a loan backed by the European Union's own budget money. And Ukraine gets that loan, then doesn't have to pay it back. Unless Russia, Russia pays reparations, which they'll.

John C. Dvorak (51:05)

Never do, of course.

Adam Curry (51:06)

They'll never do that. And that would Russia be paying their own pocket to get the money that was essentially stolen in the first place? So they are stealing the money. They're just calling it a loan. I don't know if the international financial people see it that way, but this is just a different wording for we're stealing it.

John C. Dvorak (51:28)

Well, somebody pointed out that this is going to, to. I mean, the Europeans have to realize that this is not the way to encourage people to invest in Europe.

Adam Curry (51:40)

Well, so they've taken a different track.

John C. Dvorak (51:43)

They're going to steal your money. Yeah, well, they're going to send your money over there and then they're basically nationalize your money.

Adam Curry (51:49)

That's exactly what they did. That's what they did. Yeah. And called it a loan. I didn't steal your money, man. I just borrowed it temporarily. Okay. Home, don't worry.

John C. Dvorak (51:58)

Can I get it back? No, you can't get it back.

Adam Curry (52:00)

No, no, I'm waiting for those.

John C. Dvorak (52:01)

If I can't get it back, then you have my money and you haven't given it back. This is no good.

Adam Curry (52:08)

No, but at the same time, don't worry, citizens, because we're pretty much on track. We've approved the digital euro. We'll start rolling it out 2027, 2029. It'll be in full effect. And your money belonged to Fifi Lagarde. I know these are important moment for the digital euro because we have. We have done our work. We have carried the water. Carried the water for the. For the European Council and certainly later on for the European Parliament. Isn't carrying water typically seen as a negative? He's carrying water for Putin.

John C. Dvorak (52:42)

Yeah. Yes, it's a negative. It's a. It's a. What do you call it when you soft pedal the negative comment? But it's yes. Bullshit. No, no, something else. There's a term I'm looking for. I don't have.

Adam Curry (52:56)

Pardon me. Yeah. All right, let's go back. Work. We've carried the water, but it's now for the. For the European Council and certainly later on for the European Parliament to identify whether the Commission proposal is satisfactory, how it can be transformed into a piece of legislation or amended. Our ambition is not to be role model. Our ambition is to make. That's great. Hey, we don't want to be role models here. We're going to actually screw you. So we're not role models, we're just thieves. Our ambition is not to be role models. Our ambition is to make sure that in the digital age there is a currency that is the anchor of stability for the financial system for the moment. That anchor money, central bank money, which essentially has material form. It's the banknotes that you have a new wallet. But in the digital age, it has to be a digital expression of that sovereignty and a digital anchor. Anchor for the purpose of. Around your neck.

John C. Dvorak (54:05)

Wait, wait, back it up. Does she say it has to be.

Adam Curry (54:11)

Let me listen again. But in the digital age, it has to be a digital expression of that sovereignty and a digital anchor.

John C. Dvorak (54:19)

It has to be.

Adam Curry (54:20)

It has to.

John C. Dvorak (54:21)

Stop a second. What does it have to be?

Adam Curry (54:23)

A digital.

John C. Dvorak (54:24)

It has to be. Oh, and the digital agent has to be.

Adam Curry (54:27)

She says, a digital expression of your social bank. It has to be. Yes. Well, yes.

John C. Dvorak (54:33)

Why does it have to be? What makes it have to be?

Adam Curry (54:36)

Listen, she's wearing a green sash like she belongs to Starfleet Command. It's really insane with this woman's fashion choices like a. Like a broad. Like one of those Miss Universe type sashes, only it's green and has some kind of in nondescript bug on it. She feels like Captain pike, you know, it has to be. Has to be a digital expression. But in the digital age, it has to be a digital expression of that sovereignty and a digital anchor for the purpose of the financial system that we have so that's what we're pursuing. In addition to making sure that it is user friendly, not costly, fast, efficient, private, that it can work online, offline. I mean, I could go on and on because you know that I've followed that very carefully. Colleagues and both Louis and myself are very strong supporters of this initiative and we place great hopes in the work that will be done in Parliament once the Council has made.

John C. Dvorak (55:48)

Its views.

Adam Curry (55:52)

I mean, it is a literal central bank, digital currency. But don't worry, it'll be private. Even if you're offline, you can exchange it with people. We'll sync it back up later. Yeah. What could go wrong with that? Seems highly unlikely.

John C. Dvorak (56:10)

But it sounds like a good way to rob them.

Adam Curry (56:13)

I mean, seriously, if I buy something and my phone is in offline mode or I exchange something with you and I just trash the phone, I'm good to go, aren't I?

John C. Dvorak (56:25)

I'm sure there's better scams than that, but this, this is scammable.

Adam Curry (56:30)

Possible. Possibly.

John C. Dvorak (56:31)

I mean, the printed bills are scammable. They have to counterfeit them. It's a lot of work. But I think this is going to ease it, make it easier for especially the people that are talented black hat types.

Adam Curry (56:42)

And I'm sure it's all going to run on xrp, so everybody with XRP are going to be a billionaire. Amidst all of that, I'm just going to bop back to Russia for a second.

John C. Dvorak (56:57)

Let's.

Adam Curry (56:57)

Looks like peace talks are not really moving the way they wanted at Steve's club in Miami. I gave you the golf course.

John C. Dvorak (57:07)

What I was going to say. They're not moving at all. It's just a lot of drinking.

Adam Curry (57:13)

A gated golf course in Florida becomes the latest hub to host these talks as US Negotiators meet separately with both sides to try to end the war. Russia's envoy spoke briefly to reporters after arriving in Miami. The discussions are concerned. They began and continued on Saturday and will also continue on Sunday. Thank you very much. Speaking in Kyiv, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky urged the US to put more pressure on Moscow. America must clearly say if not diplomacy, then there will be full pressure. There will be a very strong weapons package for Ukraine. There will be a very strong support for Ukraine. The United States will impose sanctions fully on the entire economy, on all sectors that bring money to the Russians. Without this, it's simply impossible. Putin does not yet feel the kind of pressure that should exist. For months, the Trump administration has led high profile talks, while Kyiv has made some Concessions. Russian President Vladimir Putin made it clear on Friday he is not in the mood to negotiate. We are ready and willing to resolve the conflict by peaceful means on the.

John C. Dvorak (58:23)

Basis of the principles that I set.

Adam Curry (58:25)

Out in June of last year at the Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs and provided that the causes that led to this crisis are eliminated for both sides. That means territory. The US is proposing security guarantees for Ukraine. But Kyiv would need to cede land. Something Zelensky said on Saturday would have to be put to the Ukrainian people in a referendum. Hold on a second. He can't hold a elections, but a referendum is no problem. Why does no one ever question that little tidbit?

John C. Dvorak (58:56)

That's a good, good catch. Yeah.

Adam Curry (58:58)

President Putin wants the whole of the Donbas region and more and says Russia can take it by force if Kiev doesn't cede to Moscow's terms Europe. And they're all psyopping this tiny dancer. Say no. Say no, son. Say no. Just say no. Keep saying no. We got your back. Our kids are ready to die for you. No.

John C. Dvorak (59:21)

Well, it's a question. How long, how much longer this can continue?

Adam Curry (59:25)

Well, this, this money's going to run out.

John C. Dvorak (59:28)

Yeah. Because it doesn't get used for anything other than lining people's pockets.

Adam Curry (59:32)

Yeah, the stealing it. No doubt, no doubt. See there, I had one more clip here. I think it was the BBC. Was it NBC? Somebody asked Putin. Putin did another one of those. A five hour TV show.

John C. Dvorak (59:47)

He's more than. He's like Trump.

Adam Curry (59:50)

I think Trump got it from him. Like hey, I can do that. I just don't own the station yet. Our Kier Simmons is in Moscow tonight.

John C. Dvorak (59:57)

And question Vladimir Putin directly. You pressed him on President Trump's peace plan. That's right, Tom.

Adam Curry (60:04)

President Putin answering questions for four and a half hours. Another Brit calling claims Moscow is planned planning to attack Europe. Nonsense. And promising there will be no more wars after Ukraine if Russia is treated with respect. And with more talks underway, I asked him about President Trump's push for peace. President, if you reject President Trump's peace offer, will you be responsible for the.

John C. Dvorak (60:28)

Deaths of Ukrainians and Russians in 2026?

Adam Curry (60:32)

What kind of an a hole question is that? I mean seriously, how are you supposed to respond? Oh yeah, I take full responsibility for everyone who dies. That's right. Russ. In 2026.

John C. Dvorak (60:45)

Consider ourselves responsible for the death of people.

Adam Curry (60:48)

It wasn't us for starter. This war is entirely in the court.

John C. Dvorak (60:55)

Of our western so called opponents.

Adam Curry (60:58)

It was Russia that invaded Ukraine in 2022, Tom. And Secretary of State Marco Rubio said today the US is not pressuring either side, just trying to see if it's deal is possible. President Putin says Russian forces are advancing on the battlefield while today Ukraine said it had hit a Russian oil tanker. Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. So yeah, that's enough. That, that's all we have. They stole the money. They called it alone. It's just great. Just so I wish that something would kick off so the kids wouldn't even be able to go back. I'll just keep them here.

John C. Dvorak (61:35)

You're gonna have to tie them up. They're gonna go back.

Adam Curry (61:38)

Yeah, I know, I know.

John C. Dvorak (61:39)

So let's, I have a, I have some clips from the Brown University killer thing that.

Adam Curry (61:43)

This is interesting. Interesting case. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (61:48)

And here's the thing I, I named, I have three clips and this, they're all called Brown Killer. Far fetched.

Adam Curry (61:58)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (61:58)

So in other words, everything seems pretty screwy. If you had this whole thing seems like, like it doesn't sound right. It doesn't make sense. And they're all, they're all going, you know, they're all, you know, wiping their hands. We did it. We're good, we're good to go. Let's end this whole thing and go do something else. But listen to this. Here we go with part one.

Adam Curry (62:18)

The suspect in the Brown University campus shooting and the murder of a professor from Massachusetts Institute of Technology has been found dead in New Hampshire. We brought you that here on fox. Authorities say Claudia Nevis Valente died from a self inflicted gunshot wound. He's a former student at Brown with ties to the MIT educator. Correspondent Brooke Taylor is in Providence, Rhode island tonight. This was always going to be an.

John C. Dvorak (62:42)

Investigation where something was going to break it open.

Adam Curry (62:46)

Providence leaders and police touting themselves for their work after days. First of all, what kind of. I've never heard a statement like that. This whole thing was an investigation. We knew from the beginning something was going to break it wide open.

John C. Dvorak (62:58)

Open.

Adam Curry (63:00)

I've never heard someone say that. We're hoping for a tip. We're looking for leads. We're trying to figure this out. No, we knew something was going to blow this wide open. That's your far fetched bit right there. Correspondent Brooke.

John C. Dvorak (63:13)

That's a far fetched one. Yeah, I know. Wait to the rest of it.

Adam Curry (63:16)

I know, I know. Province, Rhode island tonight. This was always going to be an.

John C. Dvorak (63:19)

Investigation where something was going to break it open.

Adam Curry (63:23)

Providence leaders and police touting themselves for their work after days of criticism for the pace of their investigation and chaotic press conferences. After a six day manhunt across multiple states, police identified a 48 year old former Brown PhD student as the man.

John C. Dvorak (63:40)

Who opened fire at the Ivy League school last weekend, killing two students and wounding nine more.

Adam Curry (63:46)

He was a Brown student.

John C. Dvorak (63:47)

He was a Portuguese national, and I will tell you that he took his own life tonight.

Adam Curry (63:51)

First reported by Fox, authorities found Claudio Neves Valente dead in a New Hampshire storage facility, leaving many unanswered questions in a crime spree that investigators say included the murder of an MIT professor in Massachusetts. Previously, he attended the same academic program as the MIT Professor Nuno Luriero in.

John C. Dvorak (64:14)

Portugal between nineteen 1995 and 2000.

Adam Curry (64:18)

Yeah, yeah, that was an interesting connection.

John C. Dvorak (64:20)

Yeah. And how would they get to that connection so quickly? How did they manage to find this out?

Adam Curry (64:26)

I know how the crack team at Redacted called their sources in Portugal.

John C. Dvorak (64:32)

And so, and so, so we have that issue. And do we have to remember that the guy at MIT was a, an expert on, he was a nuclear scientist and his specialty was fusion power.

Adam Curry (64:48)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (64:50)

This is kind of interesting because of all the Iranian scientists that have been killed over the years that are working on fusion, working on one thing or another.

Adam Curry (64:59)

So wait a minute, so now you're putting him in the same line as the zero point energy guys and cars that drive on water?

John C. Dvorak (65:06)

No, I don't think zero point energy and fusion energy is the same whatsoever. Fusion is a known technology.

Adam Curry (65:11)

Right, but, but they're going to disrupt the entire energy system. They have to be eliminated.

John C. Dvorak (65:17)

It was the oil companies that killed it.

Adam Curry (65:19)

Yes, yes, Exxon, exactly. Police say Reddit tipster cracked open the case by posting the suspect's car description.

John C. Dvorak (65:26)

Now, hold on, stop, stop this clip.

Adam Curry (65:27)

This was great.

John C. Dvorak (65:28)

This is the worst. This is the worst of the most far fetched. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna preview it for anybody. They got a tip from a homeless man who was a Brown University living.

Adam Curry (65:40)

In, living in the basement.

John C. Dvorak (65:42)

It was a Brown University draw. No, he was a graduate from Brown, but he was homeless because if you graduate from Brown, you can't get work. And he just so happened to be in the neighborhood walking around homeless.

Adam Curry (65:56)

He lived in the basement.

John C. Dvorak (65:57)

Same area where the killer was.

Adam Curry (65:59)

He lives in the basement. Notice he lived in the basement and.

John C. Dvorak (66:03)

Then he, and then he would. Yeah, that's not mentioned in the report. Oh, and then he, he was homeless. He was, he lived in a basement that. He has a home. Yeah, but he, but he, he saw the guy and immediately remembered his car for some reason or other. I thought, and then told them about the car. And once they knew about the car, they get the license plate. But he did this by posting it on Reddit because the homeless, as you know, are on Reddit like nobody else.

Adam Curry (66:37)

I can't say one way or the other, but I do know it's what they train AI on, so it must be good.

John C. Dvorak (66:43)

So let's start this clip, too.

Adam Curry (66:45)

Police say a Reddit tipster cracked open the case by posting the suspect's car description. He was later identified as the man in these images. Sources say he's a homeless man and a former Brown University grad.

John C. Dvorak (66:58)

He had an odd encounter with the.

Adam Curry (66:59)

Shooter in the day and remembered what his car looked like. Police used license plate reader cameras to.

John C. Dvorak (67:06)

Find the car, and eventually they were.

Adam Curry (67:08)

Led to the storage facility in Salem, New Hampshire, where he was found dead with two firearms nearby. Police say the tip was crucial due to the lack of security cameras at the Brown University building. So the troll room did immediately show me a homeless subreddit where people who are homeless post.

John C. Dvorak (67:30)

And of course, that's monitored by the police just in case they post something about the car.

Adam Curry (67:35)

Well, that's only if they have a case that needs to be broke wide open.

John C. Dvorak (67:39)

Yeah, so that. So I'm sure that that's being monitored 247 by the. By the police. Okay, so that makes sense. Of course. The guy's found in a shed, a storage shed. Shot. Yeah. That's not suspicious.

Adam Curry (67:51)

And it all talks. Sorry.

John C. Dvorak (67:53)

Okay. Onward. Yeah, play the last clip.

Adam Curry (67:55)

An autopsy shows that the shooter was dead two days before police found him.

John C. Dvorak (68:01)

The big question right now tonight is what is the motive here?

Adam Curry (68:04)

Sources say they still don't know.

John C. Dvorak (68:06)

There were also no writings found.

Adam Curry (68:08)

Sources also say that currently officials are going through his credit card transactions just to try to see where he's been.

John C. Dvorak (68:14)

The last few days.

Adam Curry (68:16)

Okay, I have a few clips that will give us some additional information because I think there was another far fetched bit, and this concerns what you discussed, what you brought up on the last show, that he yelled something. Now, I have to say, you said he probably yelled and killed because he was a Republican hater, killed the Republican girl. But now we know kind of what he yelled. After a nearly week long manhunt that left the nation on edge, police have identified the shooting suspect who killed two Brown University students and an MIT professor.

John C. Dvorak (68:57)

Authorities were able to follow his trail.

Adam Curry (68:58)

Thanks to the help of a homeless hero who provided them with information. Now that's better. Homeless hero. That's much better. Yeah, I like it, it's a better headline. Led them to a storage facility in Salem, New Hampshire.

John C. Dvorak (69:09)

There they found 48 year old Claudio.

Adam Curry (69:11)

Neves Valente dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound. So who was this demented person who.

John C. Dvorak (69:17)

Reportedly barked like a dog while he.

Adam Curry (69:19)

Opened fire on his victims? Here's everything you need to know. On Saturday, December 13th, a crazed gunman.

John C. Dvorak (69:25)

Dressed in black stormed an engineering building at Brown University, killing two people and injuring nine others in a rampage which.

Adam Curry (69:32)

Left the campus in a panic. A sophomore, Ella Cook and a freshman, Mohammed Aziz Umerzakoff were named as the victims who lost their lives in the horrific massacre. The killer managed to escape police and remained at large. The Ivy League campus and parts of the Rhode island capital of Providence were left under lockdown and in a state of terror as a desperate manhunt was underway. Nothing was known about the shooter, whom.

John C. Dvorak (69:54)

Police have since revealed made a disturbing.

Adam Curry (69:56)

Sound during the massacre. Some witnesses said he said nothing. There are some that say he made a barking noise. Don't ask me, I don't know why.

John C. Dvorak (70:05)

And that's it. There is no other spoken word beyond.

Adam Curry (70:11)

On that that we are aware of. So he made a barking noise.

John C. Dvorak (70:15)

So they changed the story.

Adam Curry (70:17)

Oh yeah.

John C. Dvorak (70:19)

So he goes in there, goes woof, woof, woof, and shoots two people and shoots up a bunch of others and then rushes off to shoot the professor and then goes to a storage bin and shoots himself. This is bull crap.

Adam Curry (70:31)

Then we have the homeless hero. Here's some more details on this. With ominous music.

John C. Dvorak (70:36)

And he blew this case right off. Open. He blew it open.

Adam Curry (70:39)

Blew it. He blew it open. This, you're right, this is very far fetched, especially how they speak about it. Instead of, well, what is that? What is, what am I getting feedback from? Instead of saying, you know, we're really grateful to this man. You know, this is, this is how, how the Internet helps. Whatever he is, he blew it wide open.

John C. Dvorak (71:07)

Wait, one more thing. Kind of the giveaway to the far fetched aspect is the fact that they had a picture of this guy, the homeless man, in advance of him posting on Reddit or something because they were one of the press conferences. We have this unidentified man that may have run into the shooter. We don't know if he was working with him or whatever. And that in itself was far fetched. It was some guy. There was. You never saw the two of them together. It was just a bunch of rando photos of the homeless man and who had to should have turned himself into the police. And then he posts about because the homeless concern is that, oh, I saw a guy get in a car. I mean, this is bull crap. This stinks. It's not even well written. Blew this case right open. He blew it open.

Adam Curry (71:59)

The tipster known only as John turned out to be a homeless man who.

John C. Dvorak (72:03)

Had been living in the basement of.

Adam Curry (72:04)

The engineering building at the time. Time sources told Fox News he bumped.

John C. Dvorak (72:08)

Into Valente and noticed he was acting suspiciously. Working off John's information, authorities tapped into.

Adam Curry (72:13)

Additional surveillance footage that ultimately led them to the gunman. I just gotta. I can't get beyond the. He was living in the. In the university basement. So, first of all, not homeless by the actual definition. Houseless, Maybe that. How do you get to be living in the basement of the university?

John C. Dvorak (72:38)

It's bull crap. The homeless hero has now been credited.

Adam Curry (72:41)

With cracking the shootings. As the feds say he is now entitled to the staggering $50,000 reward. Thanks to John's lead, authorities learned that Claudio Neves Valente. I didn't even know there was a reward. Did they put a poster?

John C. Dvorak (72:54)

Yes, it was a $50,000 reward. And there was a discussion when they found the dead guy about who's going to get the reward. And they finally determined it was going to go to this guy, the homeless hero. Didn't lead to the arrest.

Adam Curry (73:07)

Thousand dollar reward. Thanks to John's lead, authorities learned that.

John C. Dvorak (73:10)

Claudio Neves Valente rented the gray Nissan in Boston and changed his license plates.

Adam Curry (73:15)

According to prosecutors, he also used a phone that masked his location and had credit cards. Ooh, masked his location. Do you think he had location off perhaps, or what kind? I want one of those phones. I want a phone that masks.

John C. Dvorak (73:30)

That is another little trick. Explain that to me. And also, how did they know he changed his plates unless they had pictures of him doing it?

Adam Curry (73:38)

It masked his location and had credit cards that weren't under his name. The gunman was then connected to the death of Lararo through the rental car and other movements. Security footage captured Valente within a half a mile of Lararo's home. Authorities also say there is video footage of him entering an apartment building near the location of the professor's apartment.

John C. Dvorak (73:56)

Valente appeared to have shot Loraro, then driven to a rented storage unit in Salem, New Hampshire. Finally, on the night of Thursday, December 18, authorities stormed the facility where they.

Adam Curry (74:05)

Found Valente with a satchel and two firearms. Firearms dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound.

John C. Dvorak (74:12)

Well, and he was shot two days earlier, according to the police. So he killed himself two days before they got there. Which is like Right after the shooting of the professor Y. Why did he go there and do that?

Adam Curry (74:24)

What was in the satchel and what was in this?

John C. Dvorak (74:28)

What's in the satchel's new.

Adam Curry (74:31)

I demand to know what's in the satchel and what did he keep adding?

John C. Dvorak (74:33)

You know, this is the kind of thing you always say, who even has a satchel anymore? I don't even know what a satchel is. It's a butt bag, I think.

Adam Curry (74:42)

Satchel. Satchel. Like boomer satchels. Who naps. Like knapsack. He had a knapsack.

John C. Dvorak (74:52)

Knapsack. People walking around. Napsack.

Adam Curry (74:54)

Knapsack. Well, there is a problem, reaction, solution to all this. I doubt it's related, but of course, this was the. The ultimate to the remedy that this is all the result of. Investigators have since revealed that Claudio Nieves Valente was a Portuguese national and a.

John C. Dvorak (75:12)

Former Brown University graduate student.

Adam Curry (75:14)

He also studied in lisbon with murdered MIT nuclear science professor Nuno Loraro between 1995 and 2000. The nature of their relationship remains unclear, nor has it been revealed if they stayed in contact.

John C. Dvorak (75:26)

Valente was enrolled at Brown University between 2000 and 20.

Adam Curry (75:29)

In 2001, in a graduate physics program, he primarily took classes at the university's Barris and Holly building, where he opened fire on students inside a classroom, according to Brown University President Christina Paxson. It is safe to assume that this man, when he was a student, spent a lot of time in that building. Paxson told reporters the gunman took a leave of absence from Brown University in.

John C. Dvorak (75:50)

April 2001 and formally withdrew from the.

Adam Curry (75:52)

Ivy League university in 2003. He came to the United States from Portugal on a student visa. Valente received lawful permanent resident status in September 2017, officials said. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem confirmed Valente.

John C. Dvorak (76:06)

Entered the US through the Lottery Immigrant Visa Program DV1 in 2017. He was later granted a green card.

Adam Curry (76:13)

This heinous individual should never have been allowed in our country, she wrote. And in a declaration that has implications far beyond this case, she continued, at President Trump's direction, I am immediately directing USCIS to pause the DV1 program to ensure no more Americans are harmed by this disastrous program. By the way, the green card lottery.

John C. Dvorak (76:36)

Yeah, I know, but this is not the problem.

Adam Curry (76:40)

No, of course not the problem, but.

John C. Dvorak (76:42)

It'S making a fuss about it. This guy's like a peaceful character until right now. And all of a sudden, he did this, that, and the other. Other. Yeah, and they shot himself for some unknown reason. You know why? He could have gotten away with it, seems to me. And what was, what was the storage room being used for? I mean, why was it in New Hampshire? This is bull crap. This is too many bullcrap. It's just, I can't, it's, it's. Nothing makes sense about it. And the fact that they're playing it straight is beyond me.

Adam Curry (77:09)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (77:10)

They can't come up with something better?

Adam Curry (77:12)

I, I don't know either, but I really don't know.

John C. Dvorak (77:16)

But it's, I mean this is, this is probably beyond the, the shooting in Manhattan of the Blackstone girl. Even though they blamed. Oh, he hated the NFL. Yeah, okay. He never played in the NFL, but that's okay. He went to shoot up the NFL and accidentally shot that. One of the main people at Blackstone. An operation that's buying up all the housing where he came from. And somebody obviously got screwed by him. But that's, that's pretty logical. I seen. I don't get this one at all. Unless it has something to do with fusion. The oil companies, I mean this, there's nothing.

Adam Curry (77:49)

How about. How about this, how about this? How about this? How about what is the, what is the entire GDP at the moment built on, on hyperscalers? All the, all the money that is circling around initially basically coming from one source, which is Nvidia and others, and now Saudi Arabia. It's all going into power. Power, all going into power generation. Not the data centers. It's the power for the gen, for the generation. So let's just presume. I know I'm going out on a ledge here. Let's presume that this is all about the MIT professor. They got to do something to cover up the hit on the MIT professor because there's very little evidence. Well, we saw the guy around there on some ring door video cam, kind of looked like him. So that was him. And he killed the MIT guy. So perhaps this MIT guy maybe had something. Maybe it was a huge problem. Like look, I now have a gigawatt in a jar. I mean, I don't know. How does fusion even work?

John C. Dvorak (79:01)

Well, fusion works by combining element. Like atoms get combined in such a way that after the combination energy is given off as opposed to cracking something.

Adam Curry (79:17)

Can you do it in a jar?

John C. Dvorak (79:19)

No.

Adam Curry (79:21)

Would it impact the world tremendously at this moment in time? Right. When everyone's putting all of this money.

John C. Dvorak (79:28)

Into gas powered energy, it's considered the holy grail.

Adam Curry (79:33)

Okay, so let's listen to the Secretary of the Interior. Interior Doug Burgum. Burgum with the Money, honey, this morning.

John C. Dvorak (79:41)

Joining me now is the secretary of the Interior, Doug Burgum. Secretary, great to have you.

Adam Curry (79:45)

Thanks so much for being here this weekend.

John C. Dvorak (79:47)

What about that pushback on data centers? Well, the data centers, it's all about decision making made between the locals. I mean, there are examples, including in my home state, where data center comes in, you get an agreement with the local electric, prices stay the same for the consumers, the local farmers or ranchers, or it can even go down. There's deals that are being cut right now. We're proposing that if somebody wants to come in and build a data center, but they're going to build power generation with it, have some of that be behind the meter, off the grid to.

Adam Curry (80:18)

Run the data center.

John C. Dvorak (80:19)

But when they build the power, build extra so that they can put like an extra 20% back into the grid and help ensure that prices either stay flat or go down for consumers. There is certainly right now the economics.

Adam Curry (80:31)

Electricity has never been worth more now.

John C. Dvorak (80:33)

A kilowatt hour has never been worth more now than it ever has been in any time in history.

Adam Curry (80:37)

Okay, that was the key point. He says something interesting later on, but that was the key point. So first of all, oh, it's the same or it's going down. But a kilowatt hour has never been more valuable than that now. Which means expensive. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (80:51)

These tech companies that are driving up the stock market have a record amount. The top five tech companies, companies in America have almost $400 billion of capex they want to spend on power generation as long again with these data centers. And a data center is really a.

Adam Curry (81:06)

Place where we're manufacturing intelligence. Did you know that? Were you aware? We're back, baby. America is back in the manufacturing business. What are we manufacturing intelligence with these data centers, which clearly this guy was not first in line for.

John C. Dvorak (81:23)

And a data center is really a.

Adam Curry (81:25)

Place where we're manufacturing intelligence.

John C. Dvorak (81:27)

Intellig lifts every sector of the economy, so we want more intelligence, not less. And so localities that are figuring out.

Adam Curry (81:34)

A way to have, I think you meant to say artificial intelligence, but he keeps saying intelligence, intelligence manufactured in their local area and lower prices.

John C. Dvorak (81:45)

Those are the folks that are getting it.

Adam Curry (81:46)

People that are blocking and stopping these projects from coming in are actually hurting.

John C. Dvorak (81:52)

Every sector, hurting their universities, they're hurting their schools, they're hurting the national US national security.

Adam Curry (81:59)

Sounds to me like if someone figured this out, it's going to hurt our schools, hurt our universities, hurt our national security. We got to kill this guy. This guy's too close. What are we going to do. I got a homeless guy in the basement.

John C. Dvorak (82:13)

Yeah. How can we set him up?

Adam Curry (82:16)

Give him 50 grand.

John C. Dvorak (82:18)

Yeah, we'll give him 50 grand and he'll still give us the backstory. And then we'll take this other. The patsy.

Adam Curry (82:26)

Yep.

John C. Dvorak (82:28)

Who may have killed himself months ago for all we know. And. Well, yeah, yeah. This whole thing is just stinks. It stinks. But, but, but what's behind it? We. It's just in it's. I. It may stink, but to figure it out is not. Is going to be non trivial. I don't think anyone's going to do it unless it just straight up Fusion.

Adam Curry (82:46)

Well, I think, I think the first thing we need to do is establish the true link in Portugal with these two. I'm skeptical of that.

John C. Dvorak (82:54)

I'm very skeptical of saying it. They're just saying gay lovers.

Adam Curry (82:58)

And you know, it's like, hey, this guy's also from. He's from Portugal. Let me go investigate. That's like a Whitney Webb five months later type thing. That's not something that just pops up, seems to me.

John C. Dvorak (83:14)

But yeah, it's something you can't just. And they just can't make a phone call.

Adam Curry (83:18)

And then. And there's very little evidence that he killed the MIT perform professor. There just isn't. You know, there's a ring cam video of someone walking by. Oh, that's him. He switched the plates. You know, there are identical cars with different plates. You know that, that, that also happen.

John C. Dvorak (83:41)

Yeah, it's just. Yeah. Gray Nissan.

Adam Curry (83:43)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (83:43)

That's so rare.

Adam Curry (83:46)

I don't know. I'm just, I'm skeptical.

John C. Dvorak (83:49)

Yeah. Okay, well, that's. That, that's. We never. We might as well just give up on that.

Adam Curry (83:53)

Yeah, we'll give up on that. But let's stay with AI because it's always super fun. And the first thing we'll do is we'll go to the farmers. The farmers are now being hurt by AI. Gaver farm in Maryland is ready for the holidays. We give them a saw, we give them a tree cart. They find their perfect tree. I know it sounds like a human interest story for Christmas time, but hold on. The Christmas trees are pruned. The chocolate fudge display slave. But Lisa gave her a seventh generation farmer. Dude, have you tried the Little John's candies fudge yet?

John C. Dvorak (84:26)

I've had their fudge before.

Adam Curry (84:28)

Did you get the eggnog fudge?

John C. Dvorak (84:34)

No. Now if it was in the package, the packages still was sealed.

Adam Curry (84:37)

Ah. We cut into one and it was eggnog. Fudge. It was delightful. I've never even considered that. It's almost. It should be in the egg book. The Christmas trees are chocolate fudge displayed. But Lisa Gaver, a seventh generation farmer, is struggling to enjoy the season.

John C. Dvorak (84:57)

You're in a fight.

Adam Curry (84:58)

We are in a fight. What do you think your chances are of winning it?

John C. Dvorak (85:02)

I don't know.

Adam Curry (85:03)

It's going to be a long road hoe. The fight is over proposed high voltage power lines that would cut right through this 40 acre Christmas tree field. Gaver's part of a group of Maryland landowners battling the proposed 67 mile line that would cross three counties to deliver power from Pennsylvania to Northern Virgin, an area where data center growth has exploded because of AI and with it the demand for electricity. All of that computer processing needs power. In a statement, the utility company says the lines are necessary to power data centers in both Virginia and Maryland as well as strengthen the power grid. Farmers in Maryland tried to block surveyors from coming onto their property. The power company sued to gain access and won. Now the company is threatening to use eminent domain which gives the government authority to acquire private property from the the. That company can. The company can't call eminent domain, only the government can. Correct? Yeah, but that's not what they heard them say.

John C. Dvorak (86:05)

Display it back.

Adam Curry (86:06)

And one. Now the company is threatening to use eminent domain. The company is threatening to use eminent domain.

John C. Dvorak (86:12)

They can't use eminent domain. They don't have the right to do that.

Adam Curry (86:15)

Which gives the government authority to acquire private property for public use.

John C. Dvorak (86:19)

To go forward with the project, we.

Adam Curry (86:21)

All need to manufacture more intelligence. So sorry ma'. Am. The battle playing out in similar ways all over the country. Suddenly we need a lot of power.

John C. Dvorak (86:29)

And we weren't planning to have to build that much.

Adam Curry (86:31)

There are multiple regions where new data centers are creating a surge in power demand.

John C. Dvorak (86:36)

Do we have the kind of power.

Adam Curry (86:38)

Infrastructure in place right now in this country to be able to supply enough power to the AI industry?

John C. Dvorak (86:46)

We don't really at this point we're.

Adam Curry (86:49)

Having to get very crazy creative. At Gaver Farm. The power company just left notice that.

John C. Dvorak (86:54)

Its surveyors would be there soon.

Adam Curry (86:56)

They could show up anytime. This is going into our busiest tree season. We're just honest and good hard working farmers that didn't ask for this. Tonight Lisa gave her vowing to keep farming and fighting. Okay, so there's your Christmas AI power story.

John C. Dvorak (87:15)

There's something scammish going on here.

Adam Curry (87:18)

Hence the need to kill the MIT professors.

John C. Dvorak (87:21)

Yes, well, I don't know if it has Anything to do with that guy. But the whole idea of all we got to build out all these data centers out of the blue all of a sudden so people can do AI Art, you know, or whatever they're going to do. It just doesn't make any sense.

Adam Curry (87:37)

And we can't get a better voice. It's just.

John C. Dvorak (87:39)

And we got that. Yes. I was bitching to Adam. You'll hear these songs. We have our AI Songs at the end of the show and the show mix, and the voice is the same guy. So it's like some kind of a Broadway version of Sinatra. That is with a good range. He's got range.

Adam Curry (87:58)

He's got range.

John C. Dvorak (87:59)

He's got range, but it's the same guy. And they can't see. I'd like to hear somebody else, you know, besides this guy's voice.

Adam Curry (88:05)

I mean, it's much more important that we improve that voice than have farms. I mean, come on, let's be honest about it.

John C. Dvorak (88:12)

And they're not going to do it. This whole. There's something going on that's. That maybe we're getting. We're going to have a flood of excess oil that's got to be burned off and we got to bring. The energy prices are too high already. Every place in the country in California. It's ridiculous.

Adam Curry (88:27)

Well, all of these. All these municipal power companies, they all went to their city councils or state or whatever they had to go to and say, hey, we need to. We need to more room in our pricing because of the demand. So we need, you know, anywhere between 15 and 25% more room for prices increases. And of course, the city council council people, they're all like, hanging out with the AI boys. Like, oh, yeah, we'll take care of that for you. Yeah, but you're bringing jobs, whatever.

John C. Dvorak (88:55)

Yeah, and they're not.

Adam Curry (88:57)

But. But this. This is where all the money is. All the money right now is in building data centers, building the actual data centers. Because of course, we have a lot of Nvidia chips that need to go somewhere and the power. The power generation for it. As far as I can tell, that's where all the money is going or into. You know, is there, like.

John C. Dvorak (89:17)

Is there a shortage? Is there a. Is the demand for AI services so high that. That it's. It's coming to a. Because.

Adam Curry (89:25)

No, no.

John C. Dvorak (89:26)

Well, then what's the point?

Adam Curry (89:27)

The promise is if you just give us more power, Captain, if you just give us more power, then AI will really work. We're almost there. That's. That's All I hear, really Work.

John C. Dvorak (89:41)

Doing what?

Adam Curry (89:43)

Getting that voice. You want.

John C. Dvorak (89:46)

That? That's a little coding issue. I think they can fix that.

Adam Curry (89:49)

I think it's harder than it looks.

John C. Dvorak (89:52)

All right, well, let's move from one fraud to another and go to Minnesota.

Adam Curry (89:56)

Oh, I was still on. On AI, but okay, if you want to.

John C. Dvorak (89:59)

Oh, do you have any more AI stuff besides just complaining? Because that's all I'm going to do.

Adam Curry (90:05)

Oh, you can complain. And this happened in your.

John C. Dvorak (90:08)

In.

Adam Curry (90:08)

Oh, here we go. Let me say it in your neck of the woods. In the bay area, Yeri McLaren used.

John C. Dvorak (90:13)

Her debit card for gas at the 711 in Pinole. She went inside to buy a Powerball story. This is not a good story. This is just. Yeah, I know. It happened.

Adam Curry (90:25)

Well, okay, then I'll end the clip. Just give us the story some.

John C. Dvorak (90:30)

Yeah, okay. Well, I'm actually funny because I was going to get this. You might as well play the clip because it might have the little kick in there. They. The gas stations were charging 1,000 times more. Like, if you bought a $20 gallon of gas, it was 20,000 or $2,000. I think it was 100 times more.

Adam Curry (90:48)

100 times.

John C. Dvorak (90:49)

And it was all because of a software fix. Yeri McLaren used her debit card for gas 711 in Pinole. She went inside to buy a Powerball ticket, but her card got declined. So she used her cell phone to check her bank account right there in the store.

Adam Curry (91:04)

And then that's when I got the.

John C. Dvorak (91:05)

Shock of my life. That tank of gas that I put in wasn't $79.34 like I had thought. It was $7,934. 711 charged her 100 times what the.

Adam Curry (91:17)

Amount should have been. Gary told me the clerks were not helpful, and they didn't shut the pumps down until I threatened to call the police and the Better Business Bureau. After many calls and emails, 7711 finally refunded Nyeri's $7,900 and gave her an.

John C. Dvorak (91:32)

Extra $500 for her trouble.

Adam Curry (91:34)

How did this happen in the first place? An internal company email obtained by the.

John C. Dvorak (91:39)

ITAM cites a recent software update and says it appears the decimal point moved.

Adam Curry (91:44)

Over for the pending transaction. Seven Eleven's corporate office, the magic moving decimal point. It just moved over. You mean someone made a coding error point moved over for the pending transaction. Seven Eleven's corporate. Corporate office in Irving, Texas, tells me.

John C. Dvorak (91:59)

That a payment processor error affected six stores. 711 emailed me, we are actively working.

Adam Curry (92:05)

With a payment processor to reverse these Charges as soon as possible.

John C. Dvorak (92:09)

But this customer has not heard from.

Adam Curry (92:11)

The company and it's been more than a week. Yeah. So the story I wanted to give you but couldn't find a clip for it was the power outage in San Francisco. It wasn't huge. It was 130 homes and businesses. But the minute that happened, and this was Richmond, Sunset, Presidio, Gold, Golden Gate. So did you even see any of that or hear anything about it?

John C. Dvorak (92:31)

No. 130 houses. This is common.

Adam Curry (92:33)

Yes. It's normal for California. Well, anywhere but the Waymo cars all stopped the minute that happened.

John C. Dvorak (92:39)

Oh, that's interesting.

Adam Curry (92:40)

They just parked right in the intersection. Like wherever they were, they just stopped. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (92:45)

Yeah. Really gonna have to fix that. Yeah. Well, this story about the credit card run up of 100x has some dubious aspects there. For one thing, when you have a debit card, it usually has has a limit that's reasonably low because they're always fearful that debit cards are going to get ripped off. Yeah, that's around typically with Most cards is 400 bucks.

Adam Curry (93:06)

Yeah, good point.

John C. Dvorak (93:06)

You can't get a $7,900 bill on a $400 limit debit card. It just can't be done. So there's that element.

Adam Curry (93:16)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (93:19)

The whole thing is, I don't.

Adam Curry (93:20)

Know, the news is just full of crap today. It's just all lies.

John C. Dvorak (93:23)

I think it's just that way all the time. No. What? Yeah, gambling. Which brings me to a clip. I mean, we could play the Minnesota fraud clip, but I want to play this clip because it's kind of floating around and I thought I'd play it. This is from 2018. This is Megyn Kelly and this just shows you this. When she was working for NBC and she was, you know, had to get a million, $60 million contract, some ridiculous contract. And so when you work it for somebody at that kind of money, you say what they tell you to say and end up with something like this. And I would just want to say this is classic media problem. This is the media. And in a nutshell, it just epitomizes everything that's wrong with the M5M people.

Adam Curry (94:11)

With me on stage right now are all transgender kids who want others to know it is possible to transition socially with love and support and acceptance within a family and a community. Please welcome 16 year old Nicole, 12 year old Daniel, 14 year old Gia, 15 year old Landon, and 13 year old Stella.

John C. Dvorak (94:33)

Morning, everyone.

Adam Curry (94:35)

Also joining me, also joining me in our special audience is Gira Goldstein who's.

John C. Dvorak (94:40)

A transgender woman who is the co.

Adam Curry (94:42)

Founder, along with Jen Grosslandler, who you just met, of the Gender Cool Project, a new movement that is being launched today. We're going to tell you all about it and it's actually really important. So. All right, welcome to you all.

John C. Dvorak (94:52)

Everybody nervous?

Adam Curry (94:53)

Everyone sufficiently nervous. So if anything, you're proving that Megan Kelly will say whatever she has to for money because now she's so anti trans it's not even funny. Yeah, the comparison between the two. So did she have an awakening?

John C. Dvorak (95:14)

No, she had a different, different pay goals. Gold. She has a different person signing the checks. I mean, this is, this is the problem with everybody in the media that they, they can't, they're dishonest. This is just basically dishonesty.

Adam Curry (95:33)

I, I just have one series of clips. I, I see you have a clip from pbs, but I, I, I got a couple of clips from it because I thought it's something, it was my beat. So I'd like to take the surveillance pricing, if you don't mind.

John C. Dvorak (95:49)

The reason my clip, which you should probably play, initially confirms that the problem was the terminology. And I didn't fully understand because you're going on and on about things, chip prices and the rest of it. And we had a letter from one of our producers that talked about how they changed prices at the stores and they don't do it that way.

Adam Curry (96:10)

No, what he said, said he was saying, oh, surprise, surprise, you pay more when Instacart delivers it. That's what he was saying.

John C. Dvorak (96:18)

Yes. The Instacart prices is different. You play my clip and then you can play yours out.

Adam Curry (96:23)

If you're going online to buy some last minute gifts, there's a chance the price you'll pay will be influenced by what's known as surveillance pricing. That's the practice of some retailers to use the power of AI to sift all sorts of personal data to set individualized prices on online. Things like your age, gender, geographic location and even browsing history could change the price you pay. Ali Rogan spoke with Jay Stanley, senior policy analyst for the Speech Privacy and Technology Project at the aclu. Thank you so much for joining us. So what is surveillance pricing and how does it work?

John C. Dvorak (97:01)

Surveillance pricing is basically when companies gather a huge amount of data about their individual customers. And we're living in an era of where more data is being collected about us than ever before. Companies take that data and they use it to try to figure out basically how to wring more money out of you when you buy things from them. What is your pain point? What are you willing to pay? Questions like that. And there's widespread experimentation happening with that.

Adam Curry (97:27)

Kind of pricing in a number of business sectors today. Yeah, so that, yeah, that basically is my, my first two clips was good because now I can continue on, get a little bit deeper into this. And of course this is really machine learning. He'll say AI, which is just a code name for machine learning. This has been around for a long time. It is just more data. By the way, when you have more data centers and you have AI sucking everything up into the corpus, that's kind of handy. And they have real brain scientists working at these outfits, specifically when it comes to, to pricing recommendations, pricing, price points, et cetera. How do I know? My sister, Ph.D. works for one of these companies and is actually. Well, she does the. She helps customers implement it. But this has been going on for a while and it's only gotten better.

John C. Dvorak (98:24)

So what are some examples of that? How are these companies using the massive amounts of data that exists about all.

Adam Curry (98:31)

Of us online to give us these. I've heard it described as like personalized products pricing.

John C. Dvorak (98:36)

I mean, right off the bat there's a lot we don't know because number one, they're going to claim trade secrets.

Adam Curry (98:41)

Number two, they're using AI, which is.

John C. Dvorak (98:43)

Very opaque in the first place. Even the businesses may not understand what the logic of the AI they're using is. But this first came into public attention when the president of Delta Airlines, speaking to investors, said that they were planning on using AI to set an increasing proportion of their prices, their airline prices, and that they would use personal information about people to do so. That created a bit of an uproar.

Adam Curry (99:10)

In Congress and elsewhere. And Delta backed off and said, no.

John C. Dvorak (99:14)

No, no, no, we're not going to do this. But it really put the issue which.

Adam Curry (99:17)

Has been out there for, you know.

John C. Dvorak (99:19)

10, 15 years on a low key level, really put it into the headlines recently. And so we're seeing attention by Congress, by state legislatures, by the Federal Trade Trade Commission and others. There was a recent report that Instacart.

Adam Curry (99:31)

Has been doing differential pricing.

John C. Dvorak (99:33)

A consumer group did a test and they found that 75% of the products in Instacart were getting set with different prices with different people, with some of the prices 23% higher than for some people, than for others. The Wall Street Journal has reported that retailers like Home Depot were setting different prices for different customers, with customers in affluent areas actually getting charged, charged less. I think that there's a lot we.

Adam Curry (99:56)

Don'T know about what's happening, but it's definitely going on. As A quick aside, FTC announced that Instacart paid a $60 million fine in consumer refunds, I should say, to settle a lawsuit over allegations it engaged in deceptive tactics. It almost to me sounds like, ah, man, if you leave us alone on this, we'll settle this bit of it. And the deceptive tactics were they automatically enrolled you in some things without telling you. But it wasn't really about this differential pricing, because that's it. It's a difference between dynamic pricing and that's the terminology. So dynamic pricing, it changes based upon demand at the time. And differential or surveillance pricing. Here is this guy to explain.

John C. Dvorak (100:44)

Can I ask you just a kind of, Just an overview question?

Adam Curry (100:47)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (100:48)

How does this surveillance pricing differ from where people pay different amounts of money from going into a car dealership and dickering about a car price? And they're coming up and down and going back and forth with the manager and coming back and forth and back and forth. And So I pay $52,000 for the Chrysler. And then you go in there and you really are good at it. And you pay 48,000. Somebody else pays full ticker, ticker price, $60,000. How is that different?

Adam Curry (101:21)

Well, there's a negotiation that took place. There's no negotiating. And this, there's no way you can say, I don't want to pay that other than I don't want the service.

John C. Dvorak (101:29)

There's, there's kind of. Don't you think there's a virtual negotiation going on? Because, for example, the little kicker in that little report there, he said the people in affluent areas paid less. Because people in affluent areas, there's some. Sometimes the reason people are affluen fluid is because they pay less than cheap. They cheap. They don't buy retail.

Adam Curry (101:51)

So the legalities. I have two clips. The legalities in the second. Quip, quip in the second clip. First, let's define the difference between the two, which you kind of need to understand where it probably isn't legal, what they're doing versus your car dealership example. What is the difference between this type.

John C. Dvorak (102:08)

Of surveillance pricing and some other examples.

Adam Curry (102:11)

And types of differential pricing that we've seen out there already, like dynamic pricing.

John C. Dvorak (102:16)

I think that the core element of sort surveillance pricing or personalized pricing is that it's based on data they have about you. It's different from, you know, charging more for an umbrella when it's raining. It's different from Uber charging different prices at different Times of day, depending on the amount of demand for their cars. Although there have been allegations that Uber.

Adam Curry (102:36)

For example, charges more to people whose battery's about to die, by the way, I thought that was phenomenal. And it makes total sense. Your Uber app is monitoring your battery level and if you're ordering an Uber and your battery is at 5%, they're going to jack. Yeah, they're going to jack your price up.

John C. Dvorak (102:56)

Because how is that, Is that data available? Can anyone confirm that?

Adam Curry (103:00)

Oh, absolutely. I mean, you just say, yes, I agree to all the things that this app can access.

John C. Dvorak (103:07)

I've never seen, I've looked at those lists and I've never seen one about battery.

Adam Curry (103:12)

Absolutely. All of them have a version of it to know if they need to go to sleep, should they be in the background. They always ask you, can we, can we have access to.

John C. Dvorak (103:22)

They always ask for access to the photos and all the other bull crap. Your address book. I've never seen anything about the battery, but okay, I mean, I'll go along with the idea because it is a good idea if you think about it.

Adam Curry (103:35)

Let me just see, let me, let me see. I'm pretty sure.

John C. Dvorak (103:38)

Well, I mean, that's the claim that's being made. We'll go with it. We don't have, you know, but if somebody out there. I've just never seen it.

Adam Curry (103:46)

Both Android and iOS have battery APIs that allow develop to see the current charge level whether the device is plugged in or not.

John C. Dvorak (103:55)

Then you'd have to give them permission for that. I've never seen it on the permissions list.

Adam Curry (103:58)

It'll say, can we app developers post in the troll room and allegations that Uber, for example, charges more to people.

John C. Dvorak (104:07)

Whose battery's about to die and things like that.

Adam Curry (104:09)

That would be personalized pricing. Uber has denied that.

John C. Dvorak (104:11)

There can be very complex and sometimes.

Adam Curry (104:13)

Subtle differences among the different types of.

John C. Dvorak (104:16)

Pricing and that can make it complex, complicated. But at the end of the day, they have a lot more information about the way the world works, about how different people react to different pricing than any individual does, and they are seeking to use that advantage in information against individuals.

Adam Curry (104:33)

Okay, according to Gemini, I'm just going to take that. Because they're a Google shop. Under the privacy rules for both Android and iOS, battery level is considered low risk information because it doesn't reveal your identity or your private files. The system allows apps to see it automatically without showing you a pop up. Does that answer your question? That answers your question.

John C. Dvorak (104:57)

It doesn't answer my question. It answers my Concerns.

Adam Curry (105:01)

Oh, I'm glad you're going to be picky about language. So let's find out what's legal.

John C. Dvorak (105:05)

But all of this is legal, right?

Adam Curry (105:08)

And the corollary question to that is what regulations exist or should exist to.

John C. Dvorak (105:13)

Put some guardrails around this practice? It's not totally clear that it's legal. It's a bit of a legal gray area. There are, for example, privacy laws, state privacy laws such as California's that may have things to say about this and the way data is used. There are civil rights laws that have to do with discrimination based on anything based on ethnicity, religion, age, gender, disability status. Could get a company in hot water if what they're doing starts to implicate that those things. There are state consumer laws, and then there's the Federal Trade Commission, which has a charge to go after deceptive and unfair trade practices. And there could be claims that some.

Adam Curry (105:54)

Of these fall under that.

John C. Dvorak (105:56)

And in fact, the FTC has been investigating this. They did investigation a report last January, and there's a Reuters report that they're looking at it again under the current administration. So if you're a business that are doing this, you are not necessarily unsolidly legal ground.

Adam Curry (106:12)

Is there anything that consumers can do to protect themselves from the possibility of.

John C. Dvorak (106:17)

Being targeted with surveillance pricing?

Adam Curry (106:19)

Yeah, stop. Stop eating groceries. Just stop. Just don't eat fruit.

John C. Dvorak (106:24)

It's difficult. I mean, at the end of the day, a lot of these are bigger than any one of us. They're social questions, for example. I mean, one of the big problems here is that so much data about us is being collected and flowing to the companies that give them advantages over us. And that's because Congress has failed to pass an overarching privacy law, as almost.

Adam Curry (106:43)

All the other sort of advanced industrial countries have done.

John C. Dvorak (106:46)

That would cut off the flow of data at the source that is fueling this kind of strategy. But certainly you can do your best to hide your identity when you're searching for prices. You can do your best to protect your privacy and be aware of it and, you know, check and see whether people you know are getting charged to the same price.

Adam Curry (107:04)

So to answer your question, you are the answer to the question, how about this?

John C. Dvorak (107:10)

You said, don't eat fruit. You can eat fruit. Go to the store and buy the fruit. It's the Instacart. It's all these people, oh, I have to have everything delivered. I mean, come on. You wanted to stop this problem. Put your phone in a drawer.

Adam Curry (107:25)

There it is. The attack vector is Always the phone. All your information, all your behavioral information is the phone.

John C. Dvorak (107:34)

Phone. That's a great phrase.

Adam Curry (107:36)

That's it. But it is. It is the. The number one attack vector in all of our lives. When you scroll and you just pause. Boom. Another data point.

John C. Dvorak (107:46)

Exactly. It's true.

Adam Curry (107:47)

When. When you see the puppy, you're like, oh, slow down. Then if you.

John C. Dvorak (107:51)

If people just need a cooking demo.

Adam Curry (107:53)

Oh. Oh, you're perfect.

John C. Dvorak (107:54)

Millions of them.

Adam Curry (107:55)

You'll get ads for cheese.

John C. Dvorak (107:58)

Cheese. Grated cheese. You don't even have to grade it. It's grated already.

Adam Curry (108:03)

Ads for cheese. Cheese is what you get. Cheese, man. I'm telling you. Cheese. It's all about the cheese. And just winding it all up. 15 seconds. Because this is. Along with your phone, this is attack vector number two. Late today, the owners of TikTok signing.

John C. Dvorak (108:21)

A deal to sell the app to mostly American investors, including Oracle and Silver Lake. The sale has been in the works for months.

Adam Curry (108:27)

Congress passed a law last year banning.

John C. Dvorak (108:29)

The app in the US Unless it was sold.

Adam Curry (108:31)

President Trump has postponed the ban through.

John C. Dvorak (108:33)

A series of executive orders.

Adam Curry (108:35)

So from what I understand in the deal, they don't get the algo, which is, I don't know, the point of the whole thing.

John C. Dvorak (108:43)

That would. Well, eyeballs. They get the eyeballs.

Adam Curry (108:47)

Okay, so how much?

John C. Dvorak (108:49)

They're all Silicon Valley guys. They don't think of algos. They think. They figure out we can do our own. This is the classic American thing. I remember the story, this from years ago.

Adam Curry (108:57)

Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (108:58)

When Michelob was sold to both Budweiser. Yeah.

Adam Curry (109:01)

Was it?

John C. Dvorak (109:01)

And the Michelob. Yeah. This is a long time ago. Yeah. And so Michelob sold the Budweiser, and it's a German beer, very famous beer at the time. It's in the 70s.

Adam Curry (109:10)

Was it not the king of beers?

John C. Dvorak (109:12)

No, Budweiser is the king of beers. Oh. And so Michelob was a German beer with a. Just a beautiful lager, and they sold it to Budweiser and they said, we will send you our brewmaster so you can make it exactly the same. And the Budweiser people said. Said, hey, we know how to make beer. Forget it.

Adam Curry (109:29)

With rice.

John C. Dvorak (109:31)

And that's exactly. Yes. And so that's the way it is in Silicon Valley. We can do El Gos. Forget it.

Adam Curry (109:38)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (109:40)

Well, so they don't need the el Gos. They just wanted the eyeballs. It's Silicon Valley eyeballs.

Adam Curry (109:45)

Yeah. Well, I'd love to know a little more because this. This was such a. This was the number one deal months ago. Oh, everyone. Oh, China, China, everyone. Hair on fire. And now it's just. Yeah, Larry Ellison bought it. Ok, we knew that. We know he's doing it for Mossad. We know he's doing it for the Jews to spy on us. I got a note from somebody, hey, man, what do you think it feels like to be on the other end of those quips you guys are making? I said, do you even listen to the show? Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (110:17)

What does he say? What was that supposed to refer to?

Adam Curry (110:19)

Well, he was hurt. Whenever I make a joke. Joke and say, well, as for Mossad, you know, the Jews are in control, which is obvious. I mean, this is what you said. You made such a good point. Satire and mocking should not be done.

John C. Dvorak (110:36)

Sarcasm in particular.

Adam Curry (110:38)

Sarcasm should just not be done.

John C. Dvorak (110:40)

No, because people don't get it.

Adam Curry (110:42)

No. And then they think that I'm serious about it.

John C. Dvorak (110:44)

Yeah, you're a big pro, Mossad guy.

Adam Curry (110:47)

Funny enough. I don't get. I don't get any. Any of those people with their name in brackets saying, yeah, you're right, Curry. They're not falling for it. So I don't know. Guess it's me.

John C. Dvorak (110:59)

That's true. It's funny. You're right. They're not falling for it. Those guys. Those guys aren't following, which is who you're mocking.

Adam Curry (111:05)

Yeah, yeah. They just. They just keep posting in the troll room. Yeah. Curry, you're part of the problem.

John C. Dvorak (111:15)

All right.

Adam Curry (111:16)

Adam Sandler. Adam Curry. Just noticing. Adam.

John C. Dvorak (111:24)

Adam Carolla.

Adam Curry (111:25)

Yeah, Just noticing. That's the term you got to use.

John C. Dvorak (111:30)

I'm just noticing I have. I got no punchline here.

Adam Curry (111:32)

You. Man, this is no punchline. All right, off you go. Jake Paul.

John C. Dvorak (111:39)

Off I go.

Adam Curry (111:39)

Where I've been waiting for Jake Paul. I mean, I. I saw the ads on Netflix.

John C. Dvorak (111:44)

Okay.

Adam Curry (111:44)

I saw the ads. I'm like, wow, this is the of the century. Let's watch a Christmas movie because I'm not interested.

John C. Dvorak (111:50)

So I guess she was. Paul goes out. Okay, this would be the clips before the break.

Adam Curry (111:54)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (111:55)

Jake Paul got beaten up by a real heavyweight. Not an old guy or anything, guys. Just pretty much just recently.

Adam Curry (112:02)

The guy was a head taller than him.

John C. Dvorak (112:04)

Yeah. He's monster. And he was two weight classes ahead. Busted Jake Paul's jaw in two places. Knocked him for a loop.

Adam Curry (112:13)

Oh, no.

John C. Dvorak (112:14)

Just basically put him in the hospital.

Adam Curry (112:16)

Oh, wow.

John C. Dvorak (112:17)

And so here's the. Here's a good kind of report, I think this is from the BBC.

Adam Curry (112:21)

We're told doctors have fitted YouTuber Jake Paul with two titanium plates to fix his jaw, which was broken in two places. They've also removed several teeth. Mr. Paul sustained the injuries during a fight with two time heavyweight boxing champion Anthony Joshua last night in Miami. The fight has been destroyed, described by some as a dangerous stunt, not least because of the height, weight and experience difference between the two men. It was streamed live on Netflix and was worth millions to both of them. But I've been speaking to boxing journalist Gareth A. Davis, and he's been explaining why it was such a controversial bout. Boxing's an inherently dangerous force.

John C. Dvorak (113:06)

I've covered it for 35 years.

Adam Curry (113:09)

People pass away and get killed in the ring. And that was the fear for Jake Paul that the golfing experience in class was so enormous, apart from the size as well, because Jake Paul is a few weight divisions below Anthony Joshua that their people feared for his safety and his health. Look, he got a beating. He had his jaw broken, he had some teeth altered by Anthony Joshua. Eventually beat him up in the sixth round after marinating him for several rounds, maybe carrying him a little bit as well.

John C. Dvorak (113:39)

So it was a one off.

Adam Curry (113:40)

But Jake Paul's an anomaly, Rebecca, because he is an extraordinary young man with 70 million followers online and he wants to push the boundaries of things. And I say an anomaly because he was an athlete growing up and he's fallen in love with boxing over the last five years. It was a horrible mismatch in many ways, but for some reason for the modern audience, it's very compelling. This. Yeah, this is where we are in our culture.

John C. Dvorak (114:06)

This is where we're at. And you're. Wait a minute. As you, as you sound kind of like you're condemning it. You are the one always advocating for public executions on television. So let's make sure we remember that.

Adam Curry (114:20)

Yes. If I have the television deal like I'm doing, if I can be the production with, with Brunetti. Yes. And, and I. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (114:30)

You're cutting me out of the deal already. Thank you for nothing.

Adam Curry (114:32)

You're the announcer. You're the talent, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, now connected by thousands of megawatts brought to you by Meta. Because we, we got to get a sponsor in there.

John C. Dvorak (114:47)

Yeah, Meta or, or Nvidia. Okay, let's go with part. Part two. Jake Paul beaten up.

Adam Curry (114:52)

Say, you know, a lot of risks being taken by YouTuber Jake Paul then, but also risks for Anthony Joshua. I mean, he doesn't want to unnecessarily damage somebody who probably, probably shouldn't actually be in the ring against him. Yeah, there's that. There's two sides to that as well with Anthony Joshua one and some people have accused him of being embarrassed by Jake Paul that he was able to go five or six rounds with him last night here in Miami. Oh no, that was for the prop bets, no doubt. This, this thing was rigged to the hill say a sent to the home of my Miami Heat, the basketball team, because people were shocked that Jake Paul was able to be so elusive. Joshua missed him. The debate is, did Anthony Joshua take it easy on him till the fifth or sixth round when Jake Paul got tired. Should we be allowing this kind of event? I spoke to Robert Smith, the secretary of the boxing border control in the UK and he said he'd never have licensed it. So there is a bit of criticism of the bout. I believe that myself as well. I don't think this kind of mismatch should be allowed or sanctioned again, I think this is a one and done as you say. What does this do to the actual sport of boxing though? At what point does it sort of become exhibitionism and actually away from the very technical nature of, of the sport of boxing. Jake Paul was actually pretty good last night, better than anyone thought he was going to be. But overall I think it doesn't do a lot for boxing. It did a lot for their bank balances. They're both earned in the region of 50 million each last night, I believe.

John C. Dvorak (116:25)

US$50 million.

Adam Curry (116:26)

So it was extraord really big in business terms. And it will be a huge audience on Netflix, which is the bigger picture here by the way as well with what's happening because of the resonance of 300 million subscribers to Netflix who are getting in the sports broadcast streaming business. Yeah, yeah, Netflix deal. Yeah, makes sense.

John C. Dvorak (116:50)

50 mil Netflix.

Adam Curry (116:52)

Well, I wouldn't, I would. You get your job broken in two places for that kind of money?

John C. Dvorak (116:58)

I like cash flow. Well, it would be flowing and that blood flow. Okay, here's the kicker.

Adam Curry (117:08)

All right. The funny thing is Jake Paul had his jaw broken last night and within half an hour he's in the hospital putting pictures on Instagram of him in, in the bed and kind of X rays of his jaw being fixed, almost like a trophy from something he had achieved on the night, you know, and tens of millions of people have viewed it on Instagram. So we have to be careful about what the game is here.

John C. Dvorak (117:35)

Yeah, it's all about the clicks.

Adam Curry (117:37)

The odds for Joshua to win in round six were 12 plus 1200. Is that a lot?

John C. Dvorak (117:47)

Yeah. Well, that's a ridiculous. That means you'd have to bet twelve hundred dollars to Win.

Adam Curry (117:54)

So is Joshua. Round one, two hundred and fifty. Round two, three hundred and fifty five, nine hundred six, twelve hundred. And then go the distance. Right.

John C. Dvorak (118:10)

Those odds don't seem to be put up correctly. Yeah, but money maker, whatever the case, there was probably, I think when you said prop bet. There's probably some element truth to that.

Adam Curry (118:23)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (118:23)

You know, let's do this and then we'll do that. We get that. Besides getting. If you. It's not like 50 million is not enough. No, but let's get all of our friends in on this deal.

Adam Curry (118:33)

Let's just. Let's just face it. Netflix is the king. They figured it out. They know what we degenerates really want. We want this kind of blood with an influencer. I mean, can we get Candace Owens to get in the ring with somebody and get beat up? That would be interesting to watch.

John C. Dvorak (118:49)

Oh, people would flock to see that.

Adam Curry (118:51)

Yes, exactly. You know, I got a note from one of our producers who dated an assistant director who has worked on some of those Christmas movies I was complaining about. Yeah, it looks like the guys come out of gay porn.

John C. Dvorak (119:06)

Yeah. Because the guys come out of gay porn.

Adam Curry (119:08)

According to this assistant director who this person dated, the directors, producers, and some talent are indeed from the porn world or keep they. Well, the problem was that they. That this woman who worked as an assistant director hated it because the overall vibe on the set was dead dry and boring. Zero creativity. Yeah, makes sense. Just like. Just like the category.

John C. Dvorak (119:37)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (119:38)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (119:38)

They can't do dick. Hey.

Adam Curry (119:40)

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in carrying the water. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, Mr. John C.

John C. Dvorak (119:53)

Yeah. In the morning you miss handicraft. See blue telegraphy in the air subs in the water at all. The name is the nights out there.

Adam Curry (120:00)

In the morning to the trolls and the Troll. 1698 today on the trolls. 1698, listening live to the best podcast in the universe. You know, so, people, Jason Calacanis is now saying, oh, the. The all in podcast is the best podcast in the universe.

John C. Dvorak (120:24)

He didn't say that.

Adam Curry (120:25)

Yes, he did.

John C. Dvorak (120:27)

We should have trademarked it. Yeah, well, you can say what he wants. It hurts. It hurts his credibility because he listens to our podcast. He knows it. He knows catchphrase.

Adam Curry (120:38)

I think he's saying it just to see if we're watching his podcast, which, of course, I'm not.

John C. Dvorak (120:42)

But my spies everywhere you might be correct.

Adam Curry (120:46)

My. My mommy spies Are everywhere.

John C. Dvorak (120:48)

A lot of people like his podcast.

Adam Curry (120:50)

Oh, it's a very good podcast.

John C. Dvorak (120:51)

And he's, he's. Well, he's. And he's clean shaven. He has a.

Adam Curry (120:56)

It's odd to see him with the big glasses and the clean shave.

John C. Dvorak (121:00)

He looks like. You know who. There was a he. He looked. I, I know it's going to, it's probably not going to go over well with you, but with him, he probably might like this comment, but he looks a little like George Clooney.

Adam Curry (121:12)

No, he does not.

John C. Dvorak (121:14)

Yeah, I saw Clooney in one of his movies when he would. In that black and white film. He had his hair pushed back flat and he just was roaming around doing some goofball thing he had likes to do. And I looked at him, I said, that looks like Calacanis.

Adam Curry (121:27)

He looks.

John C. Dvorak (121:28)

Calacanis has an. Oddly looks enough like George Clooney that.

Adam Curry (121:32)

It'S noticed to me he looks like an accountant. You know, like a CPA type dude with the glasses, like, I'm here to do your taxes.

John C. Dvorak (121:41)

Welcome. Welcome to the podcast. He doesn't. He also did some speech therapy. He doesn't have his.

Adam Curry (121:49)

I know. We badgered him enough.

John C. Dvorak (121:53)

Yeah, well, Scott took how you used to talk like this and he doesn't talk like that anymore. Now he's clear, very clear.

Adam Curry (122:00)

And all the, all this week there was on my timeline, somebody said somewhere said, well, Tom Green invented the podcast.

John C. Dvorak (122:09)

Tom Green. What? So that's off the wall because Rogan.

Adam Curry (122:16)

Was on his po. On his video. He was doing a video show from home or wherever he was. And Rogan was like this. I got to be doing this. You know, that was kind of the spark. But Joe Rogan has long, long since confirmed where came from. But it's just interesting how people like, oh, I was at WMAU in 1932 when we were putting up our WAV files on real audio. We were podcasting before Curry came up with the name podcasting, which I never came up with the name. The whole, the whole, the whole thing is like, you know, it's skewed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, people have just decided that a podcast cast is, you know, some people with cans on talking at a table, That's a podcast. YouTube. They don't. The technology is no longer understood. Honestly, you know, it's just not understood. It's like. And to be kind of fair about it, I mean, we did the initial idea for the RSS feed with the enclosure was because we were on dial up modems practically. We, you know, well, yeah, we had adsl. We had kind of. Kind of always on computing.

John C. Dvorak (123:34)

The idea was your computer would download into the house.

Adam Curry (123:38)

Yeah. Isdn, adsl, the early cable modems, they weren't really fast. It wasn't click, and you get the experience right away. But that was the whole genesis of it. So now. But you know what people miss about it is that if you. You don't put it on RSS feed and distribute it, that way you have no control and your audience can be eliminated from you. And then you got to go crying. They demonetize me. That's the part that people are missing. So I don't care. I mean, I was just there. I don't even think I invented it.

John C. Dvorak (124:17)

Well, I.

Adam Curry (124:18)

Through God. It was a gift from God to the universe. I was. Was just the guy.

John C. Dvorak (124:26)

Well, I know who invented podcasting. It was you. And everyone can make up any story they want. Who cares? It doesn't matter. It was just interesting because I'm working with the original. The og.

Adam Curry (124:37)

Yeah. Og. Yes. That's the only reason, by the way. It's not because you like me because it's a business.

John C. Dvorak (124:46)

You attract it to the dollar signs.

Adam Curry (124:49)

How'd that work out for you?

John C. Dvorak (124:51)

Well, it didn't work out as well as I'd hoped, but it's beside the point.

Adam Curry (124:57)

We have a good product, Outstanding product. It's the best product in the universe, people. Come on, get with it. So, yes, you should be listening to this on a modern podcast that. Because I haven't stopped. We continue to improve what is being done. And I love that Apple is picking up on what we're doing. They make no money off of it. They really don't. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (125:18)

You know, the lost leader, it's good for them.

Adam Curry (125:21)

It's very good for them.

John C. Dvorak (125:22)

You have to have a lost leader if you're in business.

Adam Curry (125:24)

Yeah, well, they got it. They got their loss leader. Congratulations, Apple. Your money. You're losing money because of me. And John C. Dvorak is making money because of me. There you go. I'm your meal ticket, baby.

John C. Dvorak (125:36)

That's it.

Adam Curry (125:39)

So get a modern podcast app, one that does all kinds of cool things like listening to shows live, when they're being podcast, when they're being record it actually be a part of the live studio audience. Become a part of the troll room@noagendastream.com and we did actually, I think no one has ever questioned us on the value for value concept. And I. And we did name that value for value. And we learned that just because we're students of behavior. This, it's our own version of. What was that term?

John C. Dvorak (126:17)

Begging for money?

Adam Curry (126:20)

Surveillance pricing. It's surveillance. Begging for money. Yeah, you're right, it's begging for money. Surveillance prices.

John C. Dvorak (126:27)

You know the thing about, I have to say this, so I'm getting. I got it. I do not understand why people don't understand the value for value concept and how it works.

Adam Curry (126:35)

Well, who says?

John C. Dvorak (126:37)

I got a thing from 404 Media. They said, oh, we got this, that, and the other thing. You got all this news story for subscribers. Subscribers only. It's like, what do you mean for subscribers only? You know, there's never been a moment where, where journalism is, is behind a firewall to such an extent as it is today. You could all. Even when newspapers were out there and they cost 25 cents, you could still go to the library and sticks, they had these sticks with the newspapers on them.

Adam Curry (127:06)

Yes, the roll up sticks.

John C. Dvorak (127:08)

Big giant stick. And the newspaper would be, and you'd read the newspaper. Free. It was free. It was always free. When television came into being, it was always designed to be free. And people would say, well, I don't like advertising. So they created public television and said, no advertising, just give us some money if you want to donate. And it was the same. It was, that was the value for value thing. It's like. And the churches, of course, have been using value for value forever. They don't charge you to go into the church.

Adam Curry (127:35)

No.

John C. Dvorak (127:35)

You go in, you want to hear a free sermon, you can get it. You don't have to give them money. But if you feel that was worth something, you give him money. It's not a big deal. And it's, and it's a very common practice and it works. And the fact that people put stuff behind firewalls, especially journalists, and I'm including Matt Taibbi in this. He does it. It's not right.

Adam Curry (127:57)

You know, I don't think I've ever told you this story, but when Tina was first going to church here and then I was, you know, doing the show, same as I've always been doing it, but I like to get up at 7:00 and, you know, then do the prep and, and go through in one, in one deal. These days I get up early, prep, go to church, come back prep, and then we do the show. But I would be watching it on YouTube and, and so to me, it was just, I, it was YouTube and I was seeing this YouTube stuff the whole time. And she come home, we discuss it and Then. So eventually we have a dinner with Pastor Jimmy and his wife Damonette. And the first thing that comes out of my mouth is, oh, Pastor Jimmy, I love, love your show. And he starts cracking up. He says, yeah, I guess it is kind of Tina's like, oh, my God. What did he just say? I said, yeah. You start off, you got your worship team, which is Christian for band. Then you got your promos, because they got promos. Then you get your donation segment, then you got your deconstruction, and then you wind up with another song. It's a complete show. And yet they are the OG Value for value. And. And he just says, hey, do you want to support us? This is where it's going. This is what we're doing. This is what happens with it. And no one's holding a gun to your head. You're absolutely right. But we studied some of the big mega churches early on, didn't we?

John C. Dvorak (129:19)

Yeah. Yeah. There was a guy who put a book together. I can't remember the name. Breaking the glass or something. He tried to buy all the books back because it was too revealing. And it was a megachurch. It was. That's true. And the. It had all the tricks and every little thing you can do to get more money out of people. And it was like, wow, these guys know what they're doing. The mega church guys are no slouches.

Adam Curry (129:46)

They have. No. They. They've got a lot going on.

John C. Dvorak (129:51)

And they. They come in from all kinds of dimensions. They're very talented at. At maintaining a big operation.

Adam Curry (129:57)

I always love the guys. Like, who's that one guy? He's kind of. Kind of icky. He has, like, three jets. And then, you know, some. Some girl ran.

John C. Dvorak (130:08)

You're thinking of Copeland.

Adam Curry (130:09)

Copeland? Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (130:10)

Copeland's the ickiest of the group. Yeah.

Adam Curry (130:13)

And some. Some journalist comes up and starts at.

John C. Dvorak (130:16)

At.

Adam Curry (130:16)

At the airport. And he's like, no, no. I went to spread the gospel around the world. I. I flew for 26 hours. You know, it's like. I don't know. I don't know. That seems. Seems a bit much.

John C. Dvorak (130:28)

One of my favorite guys on this group is. Was Robert. Robert Tilton, another Texas preacher.

Adam Curry (130:34)

I've heard of him. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (130:35)

Robert Tilton. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of disappeared. He did a lot of. He would.

Adam Curry (130:39)

He would.

John C. Dvorak (130:39)

He would scrunch his face up in all kinds of weird contortions. That's what you do as he talked. And it was just like, wow. You couldn't keep your eyes off him because he was always Scrunching his face up. And then he would just out of the blue, while just saying whatever he was talking about, go right into tongues.

Adam Curry (130:56)

Yeah, you're not supposed to do that in public.

John C. Dvorak (130:59)

Well, he does it. Did it all the time. And he was very, very entertaining character. But he was. He always seemed like a. Like a scammer, like a lot of these guys seemed like to me and. But the one I. I still like the most, I think in terms of it just his ability to do. Not that this is not boring people stiff with this discussion, but. But I still think Joel Osteen is one of the. He's very successful. Successful, but I think he's underrated. He is. I think he's incredibly talented guy.

Adam Curry (131:30)

You know what's interesting about him is he takes no money from the church. He gets all his money from his books.

John C. Dvorak (131:38)

Is that what he says?

Adam Curry (131:41)

Let's send our accountant, Jason Calacanis to investigate. Hey, you all see him here? Investigation was showing all his money floats. Anyway, so that was a little discussion, a little side street we took there on value for value. We accept multiple. Multiple versions of value for value. Turns out churches use this as well. We didn't even know this when we said time, talent and treasure. I love it when people send me some pastor. Just talking about time, talents and treasure. This guy must be listening to the show.

John C. Dvorak (132:11)

That's right. Even though this was going on for.

Adam Curry (132:13)

Hundreds of years, but I didn't know it at the time when we came up with it. So one of the ways you can support the show is with your time, with your talent. You can organize meetups, you can help us. We have. Sir Donald Winkler stepped up. He's doing a really nice Christmas special for us for a Thursday. And he says, you know, there's really been a lot of really nice discussions around Christmas on the show. He says it's going to be very nice and happy and friendly. And I'm like, I don't believe it. I'll see it when I. When I hear it. So that's. That's an incredible. And he says, I used to be able to donate a lot of cash, but after Covid, things got really tight. And so I'm really happy I can support the show. And that makes me equally as happy as anything. How about you?

John C. Dvorak (133:05)

Yeah, I love the volunteerism aspect of the show.

Adam Curry (133:08)

It's fantastic. Such as the art, which, of course.

John C. Dvorak (133:11)

The volunteerism of these art machines that are cranking this stuff out with the prompt jockeys that are now considered themselves artists.

Adam Curry (133:20)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (133:20)

It's a fabulous new era who consider themselves art.

Adam Curry (133:24)

So Scaramanga sent me note because he did an end of show mix for. For the show. And also on X, he put. He did a video for it, which is always kind of cool. It's like a bonus. And he says, no, I got no problem with it. He says, I just feel like Scaramanga.

John C. Dvorak (133:40)

Turn against us on the old no agenda social once before. I think he. This is. He's. This is his personality. Personality.

Adam Curry (133:48)

Bpd, babe. Maybe he's doubling down. He's doubling down. No, I don't think so. I think apparently as some kind of supermodel wife, which now it all makes sense.

John C. Dvorak (134:01)

Oh, now it makes sense.

Adam Curry (134:03)

Right? It makes sense.

John C. Dvorak (134:03)

He's preoccupied.

Adam Curry (134:06)

He said, maybe we should Limit uploads to 2 or 3 since there's just too much slop. I said that's. We're not. We can't limit how many times people.

John C. Dvorak (134:15)

Want to upload the other thing. The other thing he ignores since we're the art directors in this. In this regard. Even though, you know, we're not technically. But. Yes, we are technically, is that you want everything. We. You know, it's like the photographer. You know, there's two kinds of photographers. The guys who always make the perfect shot and the guys who take 1,000 pictures.

Adam Curry (134:35)

It's called Spray and Pray.

John C. Dvorak (134:38)

And they just take a thousand pictures and they find one of you that looks good. Yeah, we know. We don't. We. There's no reason to limit. If you want to submit a hundred hundred pictures. If there's 100, the exact same picture, don't do it. But, you know, be judicious.

Adam Curry (134:54)

Yeah, it was kind of. I took it a bit like there's not a slight against us. You think we can.

John C. Dvorak (134:59)

We're not telling people what to do.

Adam Curry (135:01)

No, we're not telling people what to do ever. That's our motto. But you should support us with your cash.

John C. Dvorak (135:07)

Yeah, we tell them that.

Adam Curry (135:08)

Yeah. So Jeffrey Ria did the artwork for episode 1826. We titled it the Sauerkraut Kid, which is the German version of Noodle Boy. And I couldn't argue with you on this one. It was a pretty piece of AI No Agenda. Curry Dvorak. A little microphone there. Always so original. Little microphone and little transmitter waves.

John C. Dvorak (135:28)

But it said stuff you hated.

Adam Curry (135:30)

Yeah, but it said, give these guys a bonus and had little money bags and gold coins and. Yeah, how could I argue with that? It was our subliminal. Subliminal messaging. Give these guys a bonus. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we chose that. We chose it over. Oh, man. There's already a lot up.

John C. Dvorak (135:51)

There's been doing a lot of comic book looking covers. Yeah, I know.

Adam Curry (135:55)

How. Well, we kind of like Darren's eggnog, no Agenda eggnog.

John C. Dvorak (135:58)

Yeah, we did like the eggnog. That was. Probably came in second.

Adam Curry (136:01)

Yes, it was a classic. You like the. The. The comic book. The media deconstructionists, comic book, punk rock, album work, art.

John C. Dvorak (136:12)

Yes, I did like that. I like the one next to it, too. I like all these comic book ones, but they're not going to you since you hate them to such an extreme.

Adam Curry (136:20)

Said, hang it up, print it out and hang it on your wall if you like it so much, man.

John C. Dvorak (136:23)

And I did.

Adam Curry (136:24)

But we did give a special mention to Blue Acorn for the disappointed Scaramanga walking away from. From his easel.

John C. Dvorak (136:39)

Oh, yes, that was cute.

Adam Curry (136:40)

It's on page two. And we also had Jeffrey Rio with the razor blades in the bread. Yeah, we didn't think that was a great connection to make with the show. Like we're putting razor blades in. No.

John C. Dvorak (136:54)

Yeah, yeah. It was a associative issue. People have to understand that a little bit.

Adam Curry (137:01)

What people did send me, because this came about as we were talking about. I think we're talking about PC magazine and photographers and they. And so people sent me that Wired picture where you were supposedly in a trench coat looking like some kind of spook.

John C. Dvorak (137:17)

That was done. Yeah, that photo is funny.

Adam Curry (137:21)

It's a good picture.

John C. Dvorak (137:22)

No, it's a great picture. I have. I had him give me a copy of it that was done with a infrared filter. That coat was actually dark navy.

Adam Curry (137:33)

Oh, different color. Interesting.

John C. Dvorak (137:35)

It wasn't changed. I mean, because it was an infrared filter. The whole shot was done with an infrared filter.

Adam Curry (137:40)

Hold on a second, kids. Come over to your boomer uncles for a second. Back in the day, we'd go out with a camera and we had something called a camera case. And this isn't like a case that you put around your iPhone, so if you drop it, it doesn't shatter into a thousand pieces. The case had things in it, like extra film. It had different lenses that you would click one lens off and click another lens on. And it had filters which are these little pieces of glass, I guess. I don't know what it was. Plastic glass. And you would screw those onto the lens itself to get certain effects. Can you believe how analog the world was back then?

John C. Dvorak (138:22)

So that's what he shot. And yeah, it was a funny picture. Cute. But that was finally. That's the one we finally ended up with. That was shot over at Golden Gate Fields, by the way, at the horse park. And that was after he tried to get me to jump, stand on my head, you know, stick my tongue out. All the other stuff that I say that you just refuse to do. And so I kept refusing to do everything until that picture came out. I did that.

Adam Curry (138:47)

There's all kinds of ugly troll talk about you and Jolie Odell. I'm just gonna have to look away.

John C. Dvorak (138:53)

Jolie Odell.

Adam Curry (138:54)

Yeah, I must look away from it. They're saying horrible things. Things.

John C. Dvorak (138:59)

What's Julio Dell got to do with any of this?

Adam Curry (139:02)

Nothing. Nothing. And then of course, the fabulous interview where the. The hit piece that would turned out to be not a hit piece. I got all that now. I got all of it. I have, I have an archive now of Dvorak scandalous moments.

John C. Dvorak (139:15)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (139:17)

Hey, that's why I'm working with you, man. So I can build up an archive of scandalous moments. So congratulations to Jeffrey Ria for bringing us the artwork now. We already see a lot has been uploaded. We appreciate everything that you do. Keep, keep on prompting. Sometimes an actual artist pops up. We, we do pay attention to that. So extra points if you do it. Noagendaartgenerator.com and we always want to thank everyone who supports the show financially. We'll mention everybody. $50 and above. And we start in this portion of the program with something we have deemed our executive and associate executive producer producers segment.

John C. Dvorak (139:55)

Why?

Adam Curry (139:56)

Because just like Hollywood, when you really are financing the whole deal, which can pay off in spades in Hollywood, here we just give you part of the payoff and that is a credit right there on the show in the show notes. You can use this credit anywhere Hollywood style. Credits are accepted including IMDb.com $200 and above you get an associate executive producer credit and we will read your note. $300 and above. You get an executive producer credit and we will also read your note and back Vengeance with $501.56 which I presume is some fees were added. Is the no agenda shop noagendashop.com which is fantastic. Noagendashop.com is. We have a deal with them which consists of no deal. You can do whatever you want. Just send.

John C. Dvorak (140:46)

They sell nice hats.

Adam Curry (140:48)

They sell beautiful hats. They sell all kinds of good, good stuff. And no agenda shop says they're in Georgia. By the way, itm John and Adam, sorry for being MIA so long but AI and the decimated economy have thrown me overboard.

John C. Dvorak (141:06)

Man overboard.

Adam Curry (141:09)

I had to focus all my time on staying employed. Thank you for your consistent courage and any positive karma you can throw my way. Well, of course we'll give you some karma. And karma is always positive.

John C. Dvorak (141:22)

You've got karma. Okay, so now you have James Morin in Jackson. Oh, Jackson, California, which is a cool place. 500 bucks from him. Merry Christmas. I heard you guys talk about AI advertisements in the past and wanted to share this experience. When I talk to Klot Claude, which is supposed to be the kindest, gentlest AI at the moment.

Adam Curry (141:48)

Is that true?

John C. Dvorak (141:49)

Yeah, that's what everyone says. It's kinder and gentler. When I talk to Claude about LLM, I've never used it about LLMs. It always recommends itself as the best.

Adam Curry (142:01)

Well, the coders say that Claude is really good at coding.

John C. Dvorak (142:06)

Is that right?

Adam Curry (142:06)

Yeah, that's what they say. I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (142:09)

Well, they probably would know what they're talking about. He says it's the best. But the other day I was asking about AI data center water usage, and Claude threw OpenAI and chat and GPT4 under the bus, talking about how much water they use. AI manipulation is already here.

Adam Curry (142:27)

Yes, indeed.

John C. Dvorak (142:28)

Those guys stink. I also wanted to share that I've created a pirate AI radio station, and my friends and I build celebrity DJs for the station. By far, the best DJ has been DJ Trump sharing one of the most recent segments for your listening pleasure. I was inspired by Adam's vibe coding and put together an ice cast and liquid soap audio stream for the station, and he has it here. You'll put a link into the thing, I hope?

Adam Curry (143:00)

Well, what he did was the link goes to DJ Trump, and so I downloaded DJ Trump. He didn't actually link to the station, so I don't know he. If the state. We do have Gitmojams.com is our AI slop station that MVP and I are running. But have a listen to DJ Trump, folks.

John C. Dvorak (143:20)

We're listening to Soundgarden here.

Adam Curry (143:22)

Tremendous band. Really tremendous.

John C. Dvorak (143:25)

Chris Cornell had an amazing voice. Maybe one of the best voices ever.

Adam Curry (143:29)

Many people are saying this Seattle grunge, but you know what? Not electronic fake news from the teleprompter, folks.

John C. Dvorak (143:37)

Totally fake news. This is pure American rock and roll.

Adam Curry (143:40)

The best rock and roll.

John C. Dvorak (143:42)

Some say better than the Rolling Stones, who, by the way, should pay tariffs. They're British. Not sending their best.

Adam Curry (143:49)

But Soundgarden, they're ours.

John C. Dvorak (143:51)

They're American.

Adam Curry (143:52)

And this song fell on black days Very dark, very powerful.

John C. Dvorak (143:56)

Nobody does dark and powerful like Americans, believe me.

Adam Curry (144:00)

Yeah, there you go. Not bad.

John C. Dvorak (144:01)

Yeah, that sounds like it's good. It could be a little better.

Adam Curry (144:04)

DJ dress a little bit of calacanis in that.

John C. Dvorak (144:07)

For some reason it felt I am an he. I'm going to finish this note. I'm an engineer working with AI Technologies and these things are fantastic for entertainment purposes. I agree with him.

Adam Curry (144:19)

That's it.

John C. Dvorak (144:19)

James Morin in Jackson Jackson. That's gold Country, California.

Adam Curry (144:23)

Joseph Gass is from Wilmington, Delaware and he sends 343. We appreciate that. We'll return the favor with an executive producer. And since you didn't have a note, we will give you a double up. Karma.

John C. Dvorak (144:34)

You got karma. Now look at this. This is Matthew Martell in blue Brumal Hardware, Martel Hardware 333. Merry Christmas everybody. Repetition gets the sale. At some point you'll visit Martell Hardware.com and use Coupon code green Eggs and ham for an additional 10% off your order. JCD Hot Pockets. Karma for everybody. Hot Pockets, you've got karma.

Adam Curry (145:14)

Yeah. Then I just want to insert a make good since that was our last executive producer, the last show we had Parker whose note got lost apparently.

John C. Dvorak (145:28)

And.

Adam Curry (145:28)

Let me see, he had some jingles. I just wanted to wanted to read his note because he sent me a copy of it. Itm Adam, it's an honor. That's Parker Geisweid. It's an honor to be called your mentee. I am truly blessed to call you my friend. I want to thank you again for taking me to visit. Rogan was truly an amazing experience. Before listening to your podcast, I was lost and trying to find a sense of direction of what is real and fake in the media. And possibly thanks to you, I am now a bitcoin maximalist. You made me realize that the entire financial system is rigged. And it gave me hope for the future of our family ranch. Everything is fake and gay. Also, your guidance and wisdom have helped me open exploring my faith in God and Jesus and John. When my Texas A and M Aggies win a national championship, I'll send you a hoodie. Oh, that's good news.

John C. Dvorak (146:25)

Yeah, well, I sent me the hoodie anyway because you already lost.

Adam Curry (146:28)

Hot Pockets. Mac and cheese and jobs. Karma.

John C. Dvorak (146:32)

Hot Pockets. You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

Adam Curry (146:41)

Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese.

John C. Dvorak (146:44)

Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (146:49)

You thought comma and oh, go ahead. It Was. It was me. But you've. You're. You're fine to do it. Let me do this one then. You got an empty one.

John C. Dvorak (146:59)

Next.

Adam Curry (146:59)

It's good. It's good balance.

John C. Dvorak (147:01)

Yeah. I just wanted to say something.

Adam Curry (147:03)

Sure.

John C. Dvorak (147:03)

Texas A and M. I just do not understand how that team could only score three points and lose to University of Miami in that playoff game. But they did.

Adam Curry (147:13)

How do you. Did the. The Horns do the. The Austin Longhorns.

John C. Dvorak (147:18)

They're not in the playoffs.

Adam Curry (147:19)

Oh, so they suck even more.

John C. Dvorak (147:22)

Well, they. They never sucked. They just, you know, they're just not.

Adam Curry (147:26)

One of the best teams because, you know, there's the big rivalry, the hook em. Horns versus the Aggies.

John C. Dvorak (147:32)

Well, the Aggies were far superior, but the. But Texas did beat the Aggies head to head.

Adam Curry (147:37)

But here, this is Aggie country by default here. Because Austin bad. Just Austin bad. So we're more Aggies here. What about the Rangers?

John C. Dvorak (147:48)

Texas Tech?

Adam Curry (147:50)

What's their team? Texas Tech.

John C. Dvorak (147:52)

I don't know. The techies.

Adam Curry (147:58)

John Rucker comes in with a bitcoin donation. The amount of 0.0033 BTC. On behalf of me and naive Naim Pinto, a deduching for both of us, please. You've been de douched. So we'll say that's the deduching for John. And here's the deduching for ninth.

John C. Dvorak (148:19)

You've been de douched, by the way.

Adam Curry (148:22)

That works out to 287.75. And he winds up by saying more Africa news. Oh, there's a.

John C. Dvorak (148:28)

Hey, there you go. That's exactly right.

Adam Curry (148:30)

Yep.

John C. Dvorak (148:31)

You. You.

Adam Curry (148:31)

If you send us value, we'll give you more valuable Africa news.

John C. Dvorak (148:36)

I think it's the red writers, by the way. Strike. This is just a blanket. 287.68. There's nothing. Let me go to the next one to give this strike. Donor who sent in 287.68 to double up. Karma.

Adam Curry (148:52)

All right, you got to send us an okay.

John C. Dvorak (148:53)

You've got karma. Christopher Graves braves in mountain Mount Occam, California. I still don't know where that is. 242. Oh, this is of course our little John's guy.

Adam Curry (149:09)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (149:10)

Short and sweet. The last days until Chris. You already gave him a promotion today for their eggnog fudge. People just order that.

Adam Curry (149:16)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (149:17)

Go to little johnscandies.com use code it. Oh, I got the hiccups now.

Adam Curry (149:22)

Oh, no.

John C. Dvorak (149:23)

Use code ITM10+10 Save 10 Donate 10 Little John Scandies 242 Good for them.

Adam Curry (149:30)

Sir Luca is in Walla Walla was the classic 234.56. He says, Merry Christmas, Adam and John. A jingle and a double karma request for Christmas. Well, what is the jingle? He wants? It doesn't specify the jingle.

John C. Dvorak (149:47)

Oh, pockets.

Adam Curry (149:50)

No, actually, he specifies it below. I didn't even see this. He wants a Scott Simon. Okay. A Scott Simon, that is. Yes. We got a Scott Shyman, Faba Health Karma, the yak variety, and finish with a TPP J. Jobs Karma. Okay, we're gonna have to. Have to put the. We'll have to put it together. There we go. Sir Luca of the Southeast, suffering succotash, I'm Scott. Simon. Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, Jobs, jobs.

John C. Dvorak (150:26)

You've got. There we go.

Adam Curry (150:30)

There we go. You got it.

John C. Dvorak (150:33)

Rebecca Gladstone's up. She's in Amherst, Massachusetts. Nuts. Two three, three, three, three.

Adam Curry (150:39)

All right.

John C. Dvorak (150:40)

Hello, Adam and John. Please deduce my husband Josh. You've been de douched. And this on the Sunday before the Christmas episode. And that's exactly right. I think she put this note aside. He hit me in the mouth over a year ago, and I'd like to gift him the title of associate executive prod. This is switcheroo.

Adam Curry (151:01)

That's beautiful. All right, so that is Josh. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (151:06)

Would you play the Shut Up, Slave jingle? And I guess I have an apple in my room. I guess I'll. Oh, I guess I'll have an apple in my room. That's the Peggy or whatever.

Adam Curry (151:17)

That's me, Gigi, on Gigi.

John C. Dvorak (151:19)

Gigi. If you have it readily available. Thank you for everything you're doing. Merry Christmas, Becca.

Adam Curry (151:24)

Yes, well, I'll have to do that live because Aunt Gigi is long gone. So Shut up, slave. I'll just have an apple in my room. Boom. Next we have. What is this? This is a note. Oh, this is from Suits and Boots. This is from Sir Rob, the constitutional lawyer. Callthesuits.com he has a whole. Is this Chad Ch. GPT's got. He's got all kinds of artwork on this. All right, an official injury lawyer. 233.33 regarding donation slash switcheroo. ITM boys. Sorry I haven't donated in a while. We started the new law firm Suits and Boots this year, and it's consumed all my resources. Producers can and should. Check us out@callthesuits.com that's right. If you have a hangnail, callthesuits.com they'll get your money. December brings two special occasions that compel a donation. First, my 33rd wedding anniversary. Oh, yes, indeed was on December 19th. On that day in 1992, I married the love of my life, the beautiful and talented Maggie. I agree she is beautiful and talented. At the stunning St. Mary's Cathedral in downtown Austin. Second, Maggie will turn and it has a big redacted years old on December 24th yet. Yes, Christmas Eve. But never fear, we always take care of her. Kindly add her to the birthday list. Done. To mark these occasions, I've enclosed the check for $233.33. Please credit this donation to Maggie and please deduce her you've been de douched. So he says. He says. To mark these occasions, Deducer, I respectfully request the 33 is a magic number jingle for obvious reasons. Wishing you families and all my fellow producers a merry Christmas and a safe, peaceful and prosperous 2026. With love and admiration, Robert J. Cardi, Jr. Aka Sir Rob, the constitutional lawyer. P.S. that Darren O' Neal is an asset. Double his salary. Done. Done. Consider it done.

John C. Dvorak (153:45)

33. That's a magic number.

Adam Curry (153:50)

It's the magic number.

John C. Dvorak (153:55)

Douglas Murray in Missoula, Montana. 2, 15, 25. You guys rock. He writes your show is triple tits. 71.75 times three. That's 215. 275, I guess.

Adam Curry (154:12)

Wow. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (154:13)

Also. Also you have. I don't know how he gets. Okay. Also you have the best troll room in the universe. Ah. No jingles, no karma, love.

Adam Curry (154:24)

Did you tell Eli the coffee guy? 2 12, 21. He always brings the date in with $200. He says it's the last chance to wish everyone in Gitmo a merry Christmas before the big day. Thank you, Adam and John, for giving us something to look forward to besides presents under the tree. And thank you to all the producers who gave the gift of gigawatt this holiday. You helped make our season bright. It's never too late to send someone some coffee. Just visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Merry Christmas and stay caffeinated. And Eli, Darren o' Neill said he wants some coffee sent to him. I don't know if you can put him on the free list, but you could practically deliver it because he's in Chicago.

John C. Dvorak (155:08)

You walk over there.

Adam Curry (155:09)

Yeah. Eli, the coffee. Thank you, Eli.

John C. Dvorak (155:13)

Indy NA meetup in Greenwood, Indiana. 205. And we have a switcheroo. This is the Indy no Agenda meetup Raffle winner is Dame Maria.

Adam Curry (155:24)

Oh, the organizer. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (155:27)

Of the Greek Kingdoms. Maria's note. Sir Mark and I wish all of our no agenda family Merry Christmas and happy holidays and blessings to all and especially to Adam and John and all your families. Carol. Karma to all and to all a good night with a K. Yes, you've got karma.

Adam Curry (155:49)

So now we have 2, 200 Associate Executive Producer donations without a note. So I will combine their double up Karma. Thank you. Steve Peterson from Kingaroy, Queensland, Australia. Let us know how things are going there in Kingaroy. And Ian Sloan from Attendale, Washington, Western Australia, Australia. Wait a minute. Two Aussies in a row, no notes. This cannot be coincidence. Please send us some notes to make up.

John C. Dvorak (156:17)

You've got karma. Very suspicious. Yeah, Linda Lou, packing's up. She's in Castle Rock, Colorado. We know that.

Adam Curry (156:26)

Yep.

John C. Dvorak (156:27)

200 bucks. Jobs. Karma. Need a last minute gift. Give the gift of a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemaker Trigger Sneak with a K and work with Linda Lou, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Merry Christmas, Linda. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. And jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (156:54)

And finally on our list we have Paul Krushulik. Then I pronounce that properly because he sent a pronunciation guide. He just said Paul Krushulik. $200. He's in Binghamton, New York. Thank you very much. And I also want to thank Lady Vox. Lady Vox sent me a beautiful Christmas package with a card and some sockeye salmon from she's in Alaska. And some like a little box with salted fish. Have you ever had one of those?

John C. Dvorak (157:21)

I had the sock. She sent me the sockeye salmon.

Adam Curry (157:24)

Yeah. Have you had it yet? I haven't opened it yet.

John C. Dvorak (157:26)

No. I put in the refrigerator, actually.

Adam Curry (157:28)

Yeah. And. But did you try the salted fish?

John C. Dvorak (157:31)

I didn't see a salted fish. All I got was a sockeye salmon. Oh, well, you.

Adam Curry (157:35)

You got gypped, man. The sockeye, the salted fish is good. It's like, comes like in a. Looks like a pack of a deck of cards.

John C. Dvorak (157:43)

Oh, I saw. Yeah, I did get the deck of cards. I thought it was a deck of cards.

Adam Curry (157:47)

So that I'm like, what kind of cards are these? Wait a minute. That's fishy. Salted fish.

John C. Dvorak (157:51)

Oh, I have the deck of cards put aside.

Adam Curry (157:54)

There you go. Thank you all to these executive and associate executive producers for this Pre Christmas show. 1827 is the episode. We appreciate what everyone does here to keep the best podcast in the universe rolling. You can go to no agenda donations.com and that is where you can support us any amount, anytime you want to. That is how Value for Value works. No subscriptions, no hoops, no jumps, no levels. Just whatever you feel the show is worth to you according to your own budget. Just send that back to the show. That's how you keep it rolling. Noah jennedonations.com Congratulations to these producers.

John C. Dvorak (158:31)

Our fourth formula is this.

Adam Curry (158:34)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Man, I just gotta. I just gotta play this one clip because it was so funny. It's even. It's even better with video, but you'll get the idea. Media this president just keeps on entertaining as far as I'm concerned. Sleepy, divisive, and a fan of a young Donald Trump These are just some of the descriptions to be found in a series of new plaques affixed below the portraits of all US Presidents, including Donald Trump himself. While the plaques may look like many official markers, they are written in the style of one of Trump's true social posts and contain his haphazard cat capitalizations and numerous exclamation points. They are the latest addition to Trump's Presidential Walk of Fame, which he unveiled in September and contain many insults and unfounded claims about most of his predecessors. Joe Biden, who was referred to as Sleepy Joe and by far the worst president in American history, is still the only leader. That's the actual plaque reading had to have his portrait in a Instead, a photo of an auto pen with his signature was used. Barack Obama was deemed one of the most divisive political figures in American history, while Ronald Reagan was described as a fan of President Donald J. Trump. Before President Trump's historic run for the White House, the White House confirmed the plaques convey Trump's opinion. The plaques are eloquently written descriptions of each president and and the legacy they left behind as a student of history. Many were written directly by the President himself. This installation is just Trump's latest effort to remake the White House in his own image and reshape U.S. history to his own viewpoint.

John C. Dvorak (160:35)

Well, that goes hand in hand with this clip then.

Adam Curry (160:37)

Massive troll. I just love Trump.

John C. Dvorak (160:39)

No, he's a massive troll. He's actually embarrassing. This is the Trump Renee naming the Kennedy Center.

Adam Curry (160:44)

Oh, this is another good one. Friday revealing the new Trump Kennedy center to the horror of the late President John F. Kennedy's family. JFK's niece Maria Shriver posting it is beyond wild that Trump would think adding his name in front of President Kennedy's name is acceptable. Next thing Perhaps he Will want to.

John C. Dvorak (161:00)

Rename JFK Airport, rename the Lincoln Memorial.

Adam Curry (161:03)

The list goes on. Democrats indicating action ahead.

John C. Dvorak (161:07)

We may not be able to stop it today. Obviously the lettering is going up, but let's just see how long that lettering stays up.

Adam Curry (161:16)

Ex officious of the Kennedy Center Board said federal law establishes center as a memorial to President Kennedy and prohibits changing its name without congressional action. But Trump also moved ahead rebranding the.

John C. Dvorak (161:27)

Department of Defense without congressional approval. No signing an executive order today.

Adam Curry (161:32)

So far, no vote in Congress making the Department of War a few official. That change implemented worldwide would reportedly cost 2 billion.

John C. Dvorak (161:43)

So by the way, the Democrats, after changing Fort Hood to some other name, changing all these, all these Fords and then tearing down statues and all the rest, that was fine.

Adam Curry (161:54)

And by the way, it was named by LBJ a year after he was assassinated. Probably more like lbj. Like him. Yeah, I did that. You know, it's like, okay. The president has also been very busy with his pen. No auto pen with him. The ensuring American Space superiority executive order. This is a doozy. Yes. I bet my administration will focus its space policy. Oh, we need a space policy on the show.

John C. Dvorak (162:25)

We do.

Adam Curry (162:26)

On achieving the following priorities, of course. Leading the world in space exploration. Expanding human reach and American presence in space. By colon. Returning Americans to the moon. Returning, returning. Returning Americans to the moon by 2028 through the Artemis program to assert American leadership in space. We are already there. Lay the foundations for lunar economic development who prepare for the journey to Mars and inspire the next generation of Americans explorers. Along with that, establishing initial elements of a permanent Lunar outpost by 2030 to.

John C. Dvorak (163:07)

Ensure Israeli moon bases.

Adam Curry (163:09)

That's right. To ensure a sustained American presence in space and enable the next steps in Mars exploration. This is fantastic. Enhancing. This is for Elon. Enhancing sustainability and cost effectiveness of launch and exploration architectures, including enabling commercial launch services and prioritizing lunar exploration. That. We explored that thing already. And then there's some missile stuff by 2028 to kill everybody. Ensuring the ability to detect, characterize and counter threats the United States space interest from very low Earth orbit and through CIS lunar space. CIS lunar space. S C I S L U. What is cis?

John C. Dvorak (164:00)

I have no idea.

Adam Curry (164:02)

Is that like a machine?

John C. Dvorak (164:04)

You have not talked. You have not talked to the robot for weeks.

Adam Curry (164:09)

I don't want to talk to the robot situated between the Earth and the moon. CIS lunar. Well, what is cisgendered then.

John C. Dvorak (164:18)

Between the Earth and the moon?

Adam Curry (164:22)

Yeah, no, I've given up on the road. The robot. It takes too long for the robot, robot to respond. If the robot could just, you know, you just say, hey, robot. And the robot says, yes, yes, Master. What can I do for you? AI just doesn't do that yet. It's not a great conversational partner.

John C. Dvorak (164:40)

So the zeds are at it again.

Adam Curry (164:43)

Oh no. Are they in discord?

John C. Dvorak (164:46)

I don't know. They don't say and they don't even mention it as though it was a, you know, a Gen Z revolution or anything. But it's going on a ZED uprising once again. This time it's in Korea and they kind of soft pedal it. I don't know exactly why and I'm not absolutely sure who's behind it. I mean, I still have to assume it's our intel people, but I don't know. But listen to this.

Adam Curry (165:08)

South Korea recently marked a year since President Yoon Suk Yul's failed martial law attempt. While the country's new leader is trying to move on from the chaos and division, Mr. Yoon is fixed finding new fans amid disaffected young people. Did young people. Did young people. Earlier this month, thousands took to the street calling for Mr. Yoon's release from prison and claiming that his martial law was justified. Our sole correspondent, Jake Kwon sent us this report.

John C. Dvorak (165:38)

Hmm.

Adam Curry (165:39)

Okay. Well, that's.

John C. Dvorak (165:40)

Yeah, this is a. Against China.

Adam Curry (165:43)

Wait a minute. So kids actually are going to the streets saying get a politician out of jail. That's how the Gen Z. Yeah, they get that.

John C. Dvorak (165:50)

Is that Korean president who declared martial law, if you remember this during, you know, a couple years ago.

Adam Curry (165:56)

I remember it.

John C. Dvorak (165:57)

He goes nuts and declares martial law. For some reason, they throw him in jail and now the kids.

Adam Curry (166:02)

And now the kids want him out because he was so loved by Gen Zed.

John C. Dvorak (166:07)

It makes nothing but sense.

Adam Curry (166:09)

No, it doesn't. It makes nothing.

John C. Dvorak (166:12)

They try to explain it as best they can.

Adam Curry (166:14)

I'm standing in front of the iconic Gwanghwamun Gate where South Korean people gather every week. And in front of me are thousands of people here waving South Korean flag and waving a sign that says Release Yoon Suk Yeol. And martial law was justified. It really has this air of a festival rather than a political rally. One booth invited people to a mock presidential podium to declare martial law like Mr. Yun had done last December in the. In the middle of the night, Mr. Yun had put the country under military rule. He'd made baseless claims that Chinese spies have stolen past elections and that the opposition party was complicit. When Mr. Yun was eventually removed from the office and jailed, it was considered his political death. But now he has a new life among these young people as a hero who opposed the Chinese takeover. This is Park Joon Young, the leader of Freedom University. He and his group of far right students are behind these pro Yoon, anti China rallies.

John C. Dvorak (167:23)

Korean people's rights are being stolen. Our sovereignty is at risk and the Chinese are coming in without visa and crimes are becoming frequent.

Adam Curry (167:33)

Their claims were refuted over and over by the government. The police statute show in fact that the crime rate among Chinese is lower than among South Koreans. Oh, this has us written all over it, doesn't it? The whole Trump agenda. Lock the borders down. These Chinese are coming just replace trend or Venezuelans or Haitians or. I can't wait until an actual Korean says these Chinese are eating the dogs.

John C. Dvorak (168:02)

That will be coming.

Adam Curry (168:02)

Yes, their protests are more energized and provocative than any other this country has seen in a long time.

John C. Dvorak (168:11)

Most people joined us because of a simple message. Korea is for Koreans.

Adam Curry (168:16)

Today, Park's message, spread through social media, is drawing in young people who share his suspicion on China.

John C. Dvorak (168:28)

27 years old, there are times when I don't hear Korean on the street.

Adam Curry (168:33)

Even when I go to the corner.

John C. Dvorak (168:34)

Store, I only hear Chinese.

Adam Curry (168:36)

That really scares me. Here in Seoul, they wear red hats with the words make Korea great again. And if the American youth voters swung over to bring back an impeached president, why not in Korea? For years, these people have held a deep grudge for what they saw as lack of opportunities and overbearing woke politics. And when Mr. Yun named the enemy, they signed up to fight. See, unlike you, I'm gonna give you a full clip of the day for that Clip of the day you always give me like, like weak, like.

John C. Dvorak (169:12)

No, I give you a clip of.

Adam Curry (169:13)

The day when you do borderline. Oh, I deserve it so much. That was good.

John C. Dvorak (169:19)

Well, that one was pretty good because you caught you off guard. You only give me clip of the day when it's something you never heard about.

Adam Curry (169:25)

Well, yeah, that's why it's clip of the day. Of course, if I'd already heard about it, then I would be playing it before you because I control the clips. I'd be like, I'm gonna grab that clip of the day. And then you wouldn it to me because, like, I had that clip. Yeah, that's how it works.

John C. Dvorak (169:37)

Exactly how it works. So the most without the voice. So this is you, right? This is. This has got us written all over that. It's pretty good.

Adam Curry (169:45)

And they got the hats. Maca really? Make. Make Make Korea great again. Makga mak. Make Korea great.

John C. Dvorak (169:57)

Yeah. Make Korea great. Yeah. Well, it's. They probably have it in Korean. It probably has a different look to it. I'd like to get. By the way, anyone, any Korean listeners, I want the hat. It's in Korean.

Adam Curry (170:10)

Yes, we want a hat. So the MO prophecy strikes once again. Mo's prophecy, if you recall, was all of the DEI ladies who were put up in important positions, set up to fail. Set up to fail. Blamed for everything. In this case, I believe that DC's Police Chief Pamela Smith probably was really set up. She is being accused of fudging crime statistics. And so she's resigning. And then in her resignation, she says, no, no, no, I didn't change it. They changed it insinuating that they are blaming, taming her. And she had a quite a meltdown over it during her resignation speech. Never would I compromise my integrity. Never would I compromise. 28 years in law enforcement for a few folk who couldn't stand to be held accountable. And if I had to do it all over again, I'd do it again. Huh?

John C. Dvorak (171:23)

She. So she does. She pulls out the angry black woman as a, as a methodology.

Adam Curry (171:28)

Let's.

John C. Dvorak (171:28)

What is she nuts?

Adam Curry (171:29)

Let's continue the clip. So I'm going to the Bible when.

John C. Dvorak (171:36)

I say this to my haters. F you.

Adam Curry (171:43)

The same folks who said in that report that they changed their numbers. And I did not. The report is very clear.

John C. Dvorak (171:52)

I did not direct anyone.

Adam Curry (171:54)

You should investigate those folks. So I tend to believe her. But you made an interesting point there. When I heard, and I had to listen to the clip three times, I'm like, I have heard this lady somewhere. This is going to come across as very racist, but no one will be able to argue with me. This lady doesn't sound like a different lady. Never would I compromise my integrity. Never would I compromise. Everybody in Cleveland, low minority got Obama phone.

John C. Dvorak (172:29)

Keep Obama in president. You know, he gave us a phone.

Adam Curry (172:33)

Come on, man, it sounds a lot.

John C. Dvorak (172:34)

You love that Obama phone, girl.

Adam Curry (172:36)

Everybody in Cleveland, low minority, got Obama phone.

John C. Dvorak (172:40)

Obama, President Trump, you know, he gave us a phone.

Adam Curry (172:43)

Hey, you know, I got the note from our female black producer. She's like, do you only play black women when they're mad? I'm like, well, it's the funniest. We play the funniest clips and said, how about Nicki Minaj? I'm like, send me a link. She didn't send me a link. Anyway, I just saw that Nicki Minaj was on stage at America Fest with Erica Kirk. I'll get some clips for her for the next show. Nicki Minaj is, she's, she's got her head on straight, man. It's very surprising. She's taken, she's, I think she, she can be an important part of the movement in America for the young, the young kids. She got something going on.

John C. Dvorak (173:25)

So she's been, like I said last show, she's been a Republican for a while.

Adam Curry (173:29)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (173:29)

She voted for Romney. We have to remember that.

Adam Curry (173:32)

Romney. Romney sucks. Let me hear that lady again. I love her. Everybody in Cleveland know my name. Already got Obama phone.

John C. Dvorak (173:42)

Keep Obama in president. You know, he gave us a phone.

Adam Curry (173:45)

Oh, she doesn't have the Romney sucks in there. I got to get the Romney sucks part anyway. That was so another MO prophecy coming true as far as I'm concerned.

John C. Dvorak (173:54)

Yeah, I always thought it was a good prophecy. Let's go talking about angry black women. Let's go to the Minnesota because they. Oh, that's right. Hakeem Jeffries is a guy.

Adam Curry (174:06)

Angry black woman, Hakeem.

John C. Dvorak (174:07)

So here's the Minnesota fraud. Two clips. And one of them, I think the second clip when Akeem Jeffries comes out is hilarious. But I kind of have to agree. Here we go.

Adam Curry (174:18)

The chairman of the House Oversight Committee is warning he may issue subpoenas if he does not get cooperation from Minnesota officials over the billion dollar taxpayer fraud scheme in that state. Officials say this could just be the tip of the iceberg across the country. Chairman James Comer says Minnesota's governor and attorney general have provided only minimal responses so far. Here's congressional correspondent Bill Meluja. They got nothing to run on except complain about this.

John C. Dvorak (174:44)

So you complain at me, you bring.

Adam Curry (174:46)

It at me, but I'll have it.

John C. Dvorak (174:47)

Fixed and then we'll see how you talk about it.

Adam Curry (174:48)

Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh defiant today as House Republicans accuse him and Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison of stonewalling their investigation in a widespread Somali social services fraud in the state.

John C. Dvorak (175:02)

Well, they're not cooperating with us. They're acting like there was no scandal. And if there were a scandal, they didn't have anything to do with it.

Adam Curry (175:10)

Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer tells Fox Walls and Ellison's initial response to the committee's questions was, quote, anemic, providing no substantive information on how Medicaid is paid out in the state.

John C. Dvorak (175:23)

We're going to start bringing people in. We're going to start subpoenaing people. We're also going to be looking at bank records. That's my favorite Way to conduct an investigation.

Adam Curry (175:31)

On Thursday, attorney in Minnesota announced that at least half of the $18 billion paid out by Medicaid to Minnesota run programs may have been fraudulent. With at least 14 programs exploited. The magnitude of the fraud in Minnesota cannot be overstated. Staggering amounts of money. Yeah, I've been following this and reading some of it. It's pretty brave raising, particularly the autism fund. You know, basically they were setting up autism. What is it? Therapy stuff and. Yeah, just grab some.

John C. Dvorak (176:10)

Just taking the money.

Adam Curry (176:11)

Grab some Somalis. Hey, kid, go like this. You're autistic. In you go. And they just took the money. Yeah, it was.

John C. Dvorak (176:20)

Yeah, they were taking money. I mean, for countries whose average IQ in Somalia is 65.

Adam Curry (176:27)

Oh, well, there you go. They qualify.

John C. Dvorak (176:29)

These guys are pretty smart for 65, right. About taking money. I think they think there's some scammish underlying thing going on here. But here's the. Of course, the Democrats are all in. Yeah, they're fine. These Somalians are great.

Adam Curry (176:45)

Yes, they're great. House Republicans are expressing outrage about the how you do on social media, pointing the finger at Governor Walz. But House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries isn't impressed with Chairman Comer or his committee's probe of Minnesota's leaders. Do you think they should cooperate with the committee's investigation?

John C. Dvorak (177:03)

And do you have concerns about what's happening in the state?

Adam Curry (177:05)

James Comer is a joke, an embarrassment, an unserious individual, and a malignant clown. So clearly there's still some bad blood there between Comer and Jefferies after a dispute about the Epstein files last month.

John C. Dvorak (177:19)

As for the Minnesota fraud, Congressman Comer.

Adam Curry (177:22)

Tells Fox that he is prepared to subpoena Governor Walz to come in and testify before the House Oversight Committee if Walz doesn't cooperate with their investigation. Brett. Bill, sometimes these things take. Take time. What's the next step here? So you heard Congressman Comer talk about wanting to get those bank records. He said specifically what he's looking for, things called suspicious activity reports.

John C. Dvorak (177:42)

He wants to try to track what.

Adam Curry (177:44)

If any, money was sent from Minnesota back to Somalia, who was sending it, who got it, how much of it was taxpayer dollars. All right, we'll follow it. Bill, thank you.

John C. Dvorak (177:52)

Yep.

Adam Curry (177:52)

But will they be able to nail Waltz is the question.

John C. Dvorak (177:55)

They won't be able to nail anybody. Comers involved. This is where I agree with Jeffries.

Adam Curry (177:59)

He's a joke. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (178:03)

I mean, what happened to Hunter Biden's laptop? We're going to connect the Biden crime family because all I Get the bank records. And so what? He's a big banker. Oh, so look at this. The money's coming from here to here to here to here. And here it is. It shows that there's a bunch of corruption going on. They're just stealing money left and right. And what. What then? So, I mean, I. It's just at some point you have to be annoyed with certain people that just talk a big game.

Adam Curry (178:29)

Do you have anything nice for us to leave on before we thank people?

John C. Dvorak (178:34)

Because all we're doing is grousing.

Adam Curry (178:36)

Everything is a scam, man. Everything is a scam.

John C. Dvorak (178:41)

I'm going to show my support by.

Adam Curry (178:42)

Donating to no Agenda.

John C. Dvorak (178:44)

Imagine all the people who could do that.

Adam Curry (178:46)

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

John C. Dvorak (178:54)

Well, we have a few people to think. I was looking for the clips to see if there's anything I could actually go out on that was.

Adam Curry (179:00)

There's nothing positive.

John C. Dvorak (179:01)

Is all like this, except, you know, another oil tanker was seized.

Adam Curry (179:06)

Oh, that's. That's fun. Yay.

John C. Dvorak (179:09)

Yeah, well, it's free oil.

Adam Curry (179:11)

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

John C. Dvorak (179:13)

So, you know, free oil is good. So you. We have a few people more to thank. And there are people that donate $50 and above. And Adam's going to read them off for us one at a time.

Adam Curry (179:22)

Yes, I. Shall we start with Legacy 3rd LLC in Dallas. What do you think Legacy 3rd LLC is?

John C. Dvorak (179:30)

I don't know. We'd have to look it up.

Adam Curry (179:31)

I wonder what they do. Must do something interesting. Well, thank you. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (179:36)

Well, I was gonna say they donate.

Adam Curry (179:38)

That they donate, which is good. Thank you very much. $198. Dame Rita Sparks, Nevada. Always coming in 168 today. ITM John Adam. Merry Christmas. Thank you. Nathan Cochran. There he is. Franklin, Tennessee, from Mercy Me. 123.45. It's always the introverted bass player who's really supporting us. Where are these other guys?

John C. Dvorak (179:57)

Where's the drummer?

Adam Curry (179:58)

The drummer's never going to donate. It's only. It's only Nathan and Mike and, you know, we got to be. And Barry. That's it. Julie Noel, Glendale.

John C. Dvorak (180:12)

What happened to our Weezer drummer?

Adam Curry (180:15)

I think he's man overboard.

John C. Dvorak (180:18)

Yeah, I think so, too.

Adam Curry (180:19)

Julie Noel, Glendale, Arizona. 123.45. Thank you, PayPal for 118.50. Glad you're listening to Karma. Karma. Karma Ovandipur. Karma ovandipur. Maybe Allen, Texas. 100. Megan coffelt in Grove City, Ohio. 100. Thank you. Maria Rickert, Hong Nutritional Healing. Maria Rickard from Hong Nutritional Healing, Westport, Connecticut. Oh, where all the hoity toity's live. $100. Thank you to another bitcoiner. Just came in a strike, no note. So we don't know who sent us the new $94, but we appreciate it. And PayPal underneath the strikers with 92.96. How does that even happen? It just says PayPal. I don't. I don't understand.

John C. Dvorak (181:06)

I think that could be refunds. Do we get these refunds because we use the PayPal account for buying stamps and things that ship out the rings and things like that. And so PayPal gives you money back if you use their card.

Adam Curry (181:22)

All right, well, thank you, PayPal. Tatiana Prince, Marlboro, N.J. 89. Kevin McLaughlin, Concord, N.C. he is the Archduke of Luna and lover of America. And boobs. He says I love boobs and the U.S. constitution and sends us the requisite $80.08. 8008 Chris Perry, Silver Spring, Maryland 77.77 I figured out what that is. 77.77 is 6969 plus fees, believe it or not.

John C. Dvorak (181:49)

Wow.

Adam Curry (181:50)

Yes. He sent me a note about it. Arts Tooker in berhambacht in the Netherlands. 77. So that's probably a 69. Lydia Terry Dominelli, Rochester, NH 75. Monica Lansing, Drayton Valley, Alberta Calendar Canada 6576. Nicole Weerman in Tualatin, OR. Tualatin 5555 and Sir Patsy in Bellevue, NE. Double nickels on the dime. And it's blue. So I'm gonna read the note because he's becoming a Knight. He says itm Adam and John. This 5510 pushes me over another $1,000 donated accounting attached. I'd like to bestow a knight oh a knighted on my brother Darius Miller. So it's a night Switcheroo. Please deduce it.

John C. Dvorak (182:39)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (182:41)

Though he. He has never donated his own cash to my knowledge anyway. He has hit a lot of people in the mouth. Three of those people have gone on to become knights, including myself. He's a great example of what spreading the formula, propagating the formula can accomplish. Please knight him, Sir D. If we could get him some Weller Antique 107 bourbon and fried catfish nuggets for the round table, I know he would appreciate it. Jingles chemtrails. And that's true, if possible. Much love. Merry Christmas from Serpent Patsy. It's true. No, it's not the one we wanted. That's true. This is the one I wanted. That's true. That. No, that's not the one either. We have too many. It's true. It's true. Is this the one?

John C. Dvorak (183:29)

Is this it?

Adam Curry (183:29)

We welcome in. No. What is going on? Chicks. There we go.

John C. Dvorak (183:35)

That's true.

Adam Curry (183:36)

Got it. I knew it was labeled, right. Zachary D. Barker from Beaver Creek, Oregon. Also double nickels on the dime. Kent O' Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland. 5272. Ronald. Ronald Montesano, 5272. Ryan Acedo in Argyle, Texas. 50. These are the 50s. Terrence Boyer in Tuscola, Illinois. Andrew Goosek in Greenboro, North Carolina. Todd Voss in Davenport, Iowa. And C T from parts unknown. $50. Thank you very much to all of these producers and those who came in under $50, which we won't mention for reasons of anonymity. And of course, again, our executive and associate executive producers. We really do appreciate everything that you do and you can support us for the next show. Now, the next show will be a best of. Doesn't mean you can't support us. In fact, we encourage it. So the show on next Sunday will be extra long for thanking all the people who've sent us their Christmas wishes. NoaGendaDonations.com is where you can support the show. We are the best podcast in the universe. Accept no imitations. We are the best podcast in the universe. No agenda. Donations. Very short list, but we do have important people there. Dame Nikki Ray turns 55 on December 23rd. And on the night before Christmas, we say happy birthday in advance from Rob Carty, our constitutional lawyer for his beautiful wife Maggie. She'll be turning redacted years old. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. So we got one night. And there is the sword. If.

John C. Dvorak (185:16)

Here you go, one for me.

Adam Curry (185:17)

Oh, a nice one. Darius Miller, Hop on up. Sir. You are about to become a knight. And apparently you deserve every single piece of silver coating on that ring, thanks to your brother who hooked you up in the amount of $1,000 or more. I'm very proud to pronounce the KD as Sir D. You are now an official knight of the no Agenda roundtable. For you, we have hookers and blow, rent boys and chardonnay. Perhaps you'd like some Weller Antique 107 bourbon and fried catfish nuggets. We got them here for you at the round table along with geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils we got breast milk and Pablo. But as always, a favorite at the round table is the most mutton and the mead. You, sir, head on over with your brother, perhaps to Noagendaring. You'll see the handsome signet ring that we bestow upon the knights and dames of the no Agenda roundtable. With that, a certificate of authenticity and some wax which you can use to seal your important correspondence. Just like Lady Vox when she sent it to me. It was nice. It's always fun to see the red sealing wax with the night ring embedded into it. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Time for the meetups. Yeah. The meetups is where you will find your future mate perhaps or for sure connection that gives you protection. The producers you will meet there will be a responders in a first in a your first responders in emergency. And of course he had the big indie na meetup with Sir Marquis and Dame Maria. Dame Maria received the credit from the raffle. And of course we have Annette Damonette Miller, who gave us a little report from the indie meetup.

John C. Dvorak (187:03)

Hi, this is Sir Mark and this.

Adam Curry (187:05)

Is dame Maria in minus 13 celsium here having an amazing time and it's.

John C. Dvorak (187:10)

So good to end the year with this no agenda family. Merry Christmas to all and a happy New Year.

Adam Curry (187:16)

Sir Benny here. And actually, Adam, we're going to take your example of hearing aids tomorrow and go see the J Bros and see if they're any good later in the morning. Dave Swanee. Merry Christmas, John and Adam. It's Annette in Millville and I hope you guys have a great one. Also shout out to Cindy and Gary and it's Emily and Bruce in the morning.

John C. Dvorak (187:40)

Dame Trinity having a great time in.

Adam Curry (187:41)

Indy in the frozen tundra at nine degrees in the morning. John and Adam, Sir PBR Street Gang. Still working on my gay British accent in the morning. This is Syrup of the maple and I'm giving Sir PBR Street G a really hard time trying to master that.

John C. Dvorak (187:56)

Gay British accent in the morning. John and Adam, this is Nick and I'm still working on my straight American accent.

Adam Curry (188:03)

Wait, what?

John C. Dvorak (188:03)

Hi, this is Christine. I work at the Blind Owl Brewery.

Adam Curry (188:06)

I had the pleasure of serving this wonderful group today and I. And I even won a prize in the morning. Merry Christmas. We denounce everybody. They are the best group, I tell you. We denounce everybody. Thank you all very much and thank you for getting your server in there. We love that. Yeah, this is the kind of fun you can have at a no agenda meetup. And if it can happen in Indiana. It can happen anywhere. Coming up, we have a meeting meet up on December 23, Tuesday. This is the North Idaho Sanity Brigade and they sent in a promo.

John C. Dvorak (188:55)

Yes, reverse cultural appropriation will abound since I, Sir Scott the Jew, will be hosting the North Idaho Sandy Brigade's Christmas party this Tuesday the 23rd at our usual will haunt the Trails and Brewery in Coeur d'. Alene. Yes, that's Coeur d'. Alene.

Adam Curry (189:09)

That number again is Coeur d'.

John C. Dvorak (189:10)

Alene. Great food, great beer and some of the best company in Gitmo Nation. Maybe I'll even kick in some of that Jew money. And we'll crowdfund a donation as has become our tradition. Hope to see you there.

Adam Curry (189:21)

And remember, joy to the world.

John C. Dvorak (189:23)

Even though the world's a scam.

Adam Curry (189:28)

Core Delane got it. Rhymes with Cor Delay. And I'll never forget on Friday the 26th. That's Boxing Day for some of you. A recalcitrant Christmas hangover meetup will take place at 2:33pm in the backyard Social Club in Clovis, California. Oh, Sir Rakowsk crazy Steve the second will be hosting that. And on December 27th, that's Saturday, the Fort Wayne Club, 33 Nvidia Navidad. Post Christmas meet up, three o' clock at Ceballa's Met Mexican Grill. And that is in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And the final meetup for this year, December 30th, Evansville, Indiana. Want to find all these? Want to get some details, hang out with some cool people. Go to noagendameetups.com you'll find it all there. If you can't find anything there near you, you know what you do? Start one yourself. It'll be easy and hootenanny.

John C. Dvorak (190:18)

Sometime.

Adam Curry (190:25)

You want to be where you want be triggered on Hell, you want to be where everybody feels the same.

John C. Dvorak (190:36)

It's like a party.

Adam Curry (190:39)

And it's time for man versus machine. That is the moment when we select our end of show ISO. And it has just become a man versus machine competition as I tend to choose humans who say something cute or funny. And John chooses to use robots for this. For this segment.

John C. Dvorak (191:00)

I have a real one today.

Adam Curry (191:02)

You mean a human? A real human. Do you want to play a real human first?

John C. Dvorak (191:06)

No, I'd let you play yours and I can defer. I had a great time. Let's go.

Adam Curry (191:11)

I don't like how that cut off. Here's my second one on it. Like a hobo on a hat. Ham sandwich. Okay, that's all I got.

John C. Dvorak (191:21)

Wow.

Adam Curry (191:21)

Yeah, well, sorry. I mean, I can't just prompt my way to success like some.

John C. Dvorak (191:27)

So let's go with the real one. This is dump.

Adam Curry (191:30)

Massive dump. A massive dump.

John C. Dvorak (191:35)

No, that was the real one. Okay, so they will go to machine.

Adam Curry (191:39)

Machine. I don't see machine.

John C. Dvorak (191:41)

Oh, no, no, no. I'm dick. I got you. Thank you.

Adam Curry (191:45)

Yes. You're welcome.

John C. Dvorak (191:46)

Let's start with capture.

Adam Curry (191:49)

It's not audience capture. It's audience rapture.

John C. Dvorak (191:54)

Okay.

Adam Curry (191:55)

Yeah, I like. I like the writing. I like the writing. It's okay.

John C. Dvorak (192:00)

Okay, here's the other one.

Adam Curry (192:01)

For effort, these boys get an A for effort and an S for sexy. It's a little too long and a little too contrived because, let's face it, we're not sexy.

John C. Dvorak (192:13)

Okay, let's go to fab. What a fabric. Fabulous show.

Adam Curry (192:16)

No, I think it's not audience capture. It's audience rapture. I think that's the one. It's the way it says rapture that just gets me. I love it. Hey, everybody. Yeah, I'm sorry. What do you want to say?

John C. Dvorak (192:28)

I was just gonna say the weird thing about those three clips. It was the same voice.

Adam Curry (192:32)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (192:32)

That's the voice that for some reason, if you change the speed, it turns it to a different person.

Adam Curry (192:36)

And now, everybody, just in time for Christmas, it's time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

John C. Dvorak (192:51)

Okay? People always want a Costco wine recommendation, so I'm gonna do one.

Adam Curry (192:55)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (192:57)

This is a cheapy. This is the idea. It's a cheap wine for people who, you know, want to have something that's drinkable. It's quite good. Surprisingly good for 6.99.

Adam Curry (193:07)

Whoa. That is a deal and a steal all in one.

John C. Dvorak (193:11)

What's super cheap? And there's two. There's two versions. There's a 14.99 version, and there's a 6.6.99 version. The $6.99 is better because you can buy. And you buy two bottles of that for the same price. So this is a new wine that just showed up. This is a 2023 Kirkland Cabernet Sauvignon. Sonoma County, California. 2023. It's got a maroon label. The words Cabernet Sauvignon.

Adam Curry (193:38)

That means it's military.

John C. Dvorak (193:40)

It's. It's got a maroon label. And the Cabernet sauvignon is. Is what's highlighted on the label writing. It's just this Cabernet Sauvignon real big. It's 6.99. There's a. There's one that also says Napa Valley. Same thing, only it's got a navy blue label. It's 14.99. It's not as. It's not as good as this in terms. It's for the price, that's for sure. It's a very. If you give it an hour to breathe, so it breathes a little bit airs out. This is a. Just. Neither one of these wines taste like Cabernet Sauvignon, by the way, but they.

Adam Curry (194:16)

What do they taste like, though?

John C. Dvorak (194:18)

They taste like a really good quality wine, a good table wine, a general, you know, blend, a Bordeaux blend. Cabernet has a very distinctive flavor, and I always expect to find hope, to find hope, to find it in California wines. I find it less and less because nobody's blending for it anymore. They got into this idea, well, let's just blend all these grapes together so it tastes like a Bordeaux. If it would taste like a Bordeaux, I'll go buy a Bordeaux. Cost a buck more, and those little wooden crates are better. But besides that, this is a very drinkable, perfect turkey wine that is cheap. And so this is your Costco tip of the day.

Adam Curry (194:56)

Okay, so I think I will buy some of this Costco cheap wine because the kids were telling me, I call them the kids. They're in the 30s. That the. The hip drink these days is a mixed drink of red wine and Coca Cola. Have you ever heard of this?

John C. Dvorak (195:16)

I have, actually.

Adam Curry (195:17)

What is it called?

John C. Dvorak (195:19)

It's called a Disgrace.

Adam Curry (195:23)

No agenda. Fun.com, tipoftheday.net for all of them. Nailed it.

John C. Dvorak (195:33)

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Bernetti.

Adam Curry (195:37)

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of the comedic stylings of John C. Dvorak and Adam Curry as set up alley. Ooh, bam. Two points right there. Can't get that from your A.I. not gonna happen. What you also can't get is the show that's coming up after we vacate the stream. That will be Hawk story with my man Fletcher there up a little bit north in Texas. And end of show mixes. Very Christmassy themed. We've got Scaramanga with his sweater puppies, MVP with the files coming to town. And Baron Darren o' Neill with a gibbonation Christmas. You will not want to miss these. They are all in the show notes because it's AI slop and no one cares about the rights. No one makes any money. So please make sure you tune in for our special Sir Donald Winkler end of special show on Christmas. And of course be back on next Sunday. So have yourselves a very merry Christmas coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg in the morning, everybody, I'm Adam.

John C. Dvorak (196:41)

Curry, and from northern Silicon Valley, where it remains inclement, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (196:47)

We'll see you right after Christmas. Until then, take care, everybody. Remember us atnoen Agenda donations dot com. Adios, mofos a hui, hooey and such. Look at those Christmas sweater puppies oh, what a sight Bouncing so merry and bright those woolly wonders wrapped up so snug make this old Santa want to give them a hug Christmas sweater puppies jing jing jingling all the way Best gift un under the tree any day if Santa asks what I want this year I'll point to your sweater and whisper those two Christmas sweater puppies oh, what a delight Keeping me warm on a cold winter's night those woolly wonders wrapped up so tight Baby, you're making Christmas, Christmas feel just right Christmas sweater puppies jing jing jingling all the way Merriest, cheeriest, happiest holiday.

John C. Dvorak (198:17)

Hey.

Adam Curry (198:20)

Christmas sweater puppy FA la la la yeah, that's the spirit. Better watch out Keep your lawyers nearby don't delete the cloud I'm telling you why Epstein files are coming to town. They're making a list. Todd Blanche checked it twice. Some names were redacted, but some aren't so nice. The Epstein files are on their way down.

John C. Dvorak (199:08)

They've got the grand jury from the Florida case.

Adam Curry (199:13)

They've got photos of passports in every rich face they've got. They know who signed the birthday book though they claim it's all a fake they know who took the payoff check for goodness sakes. Oh, you better watch out don't start to cry. The transparency act means you cannot hide. Bring down the clown. Knock down, where's my sundown rub down. They see Bill on the tarmac they see dawn at the club Dersh with a nurse Woody Allen just palling they see the Lolita quotes in the island sub They've got the flight manifest from the private jets and hundreds of thousands of docks that we haven't seen yet. The files are near. Yeah, the list is coming Midnight Friday, deadline passes.

John C. Dvorak (200:14)

Nothing to see here.

Adam Curry (200:29)

It's Christmas time in Gitmo nation. It's a wonderful season of giving the best gifts come right from the heart and make life worth living. Coffee from little John's candy shop Will make Christmas morning really pop.

John C. Dvorak (200:58)

Had a cup of giga Watch for.

Adam Curry (201:00)

Me Little John Fly the coffee.

John C. Dvorak (201:02)

Just watch your holiday spirit fly.

Adam Curry (201:07)

If you're feeling sore and moving like a possum, you just need cows, magic lavender blossoms or if a new job is what you need, there's Linda Lou.

John C. Dvorak (201:18)

With the image makers. So make all of your lists and check them at least twice wise.

Adam Curry (201:28)

And if you need a little help, here's my advice. Some homemade coffee from Little John's Candy Shop will make Christmas morning really pop. Had a cup of gig AI the coffee guy.

John C. Dvorak (201:47)

Just watch your holiday spirit.

Adam Curry (201:53)

If you're feeling sore and moving like a possum, you just need cows, magic lavender blossoms or if a new job.

John C. Dvorak (202:00)

Is what you need a Louisiana with.

Adam Curry (202:05)

A K Mer Mer Merry Christmas Gitmonation.

John C. Dvorak (202:18)

Best podcast in the universe.

Adam Curry (202:22)

Adios mofo. Dvorak.org na it's not audience capture, it's audience rapture.