John C. Dvorak (2:06)

No, it's. So there's this. The thing now is you post. If someone posts a picture of themselves, a woman, and then you do at Grok, put a bikini on her. And then the next picture is. Is that same woman with the bikini.

Adam Curry (2:21)

Oh, that's a great feature.

John C. Dvorak (2:23)

It just goes on and on.

Adam Curry (2:24)

You don't have to, you don't have to do it in your own brain anymore. No, too lazy.

John C. Dvorak (2:30)

Like, hey. And you know, but then they're putting bikinis on dogs. You know, there's like, hey, Grok, show me the war criminal. You know, and there's Netanyahu. You know, all, all of this stuff, it's, it's well worth the $1.3 trillion. I think, I think it's perfect. We're being.

Adam Curry (2:47)

Well, back to your thesis about things being slow. I have to say, this morning they were doing. They have this question and answer thing on one of the news stations and they were going. They had all these guys around the roundtable saying, are New Year's parties over?

John C. Dvorak (3:07)

I think so.

Adam Curry (3:09)

And they were all. And everyone was saying, yeah, well you know, you don't have to em all the time. And then they said, and then they had, they brought up the question, what about kissing at New Year's? Oh, I don't know. It doesn't seem that important to me. What's the point, dude?

John C. Dvorak (3:24)

We were at 10:30 in bed. I got a show tomorrow. I didn't have time for this nonsense. I'll kiss you now. Good night, baby. I got to get up early. Yeah, I think the last real good New Year's Eve party I attended, well, there were two. 1987, I was just new at MTV. And they said, hey, you're gonna do our live coverage. I'm like, oh, that sounds cool. And so they put me in my, my three foot hair literally on Times Square with one bodyguard. And the camera was up on one time. Oh yeah, well, it was, they were, I mean, in 87, 86. 87, 87, 80. I'm not sure. It wasn't, you know, they weren't running around like, oh, ISIS might be getting you. No, people just showed up and they were hanging out and there weren't, you.

Adam Curry (4:17)

Know, it was it a big black dude?

John C. Dvorak (4:19)

It was a white dude. White dude, but he had a big black gun, if that helped. And you know, and so. And they had the camera up on one Times Square and you couldn't really hear anything. But that was one. And, but the real New Year's Eve party I think was 1990. No, 89. I'm sorry. And it was.

Adam Curry (4:39)

You didn't have a year 2000 party. That's the big one. 99.

John C. Dvorak (4:44)

I was, I was in, I was back in Holland for that New Year's, which was insane because the Dutch, they just love their fireworks. Even though it's outlawed in Amsterdam, everyone loves their fireworks. There's videos online of entire streets with burnt out cars. I'm not kidding. And of course this happened.

Adam Curry (5:09)

A blaze so great there was no saving the church tower in the middle of the night. As Amsterdam's residents were ringing in the new year, a major fire broke out in the historic Vondelkirk Church. Firefighters tried to save the over 150-year-old structure, but they could not enter. Risk that the church would collapse was too great. As they doused it with water from hoses. Authorities closed down the streets around the central Amsterdam monument and local media said that nearby homes were evacuated because of the burning debris. An alert was issued about heavy smoke and officials declared a regional emergency. It really is horrific.

John C. Dvorak (5:52)

I've just been watching the mayor of.

Adam Curry (5:54)

Amsterdam most violently large. The church is very close to many houses. So apart from the loss of a magnificent monument for all people living nearby, it's really scary. Built in 1872, the church is in the center of Amsterdam and just a short walk from the popular Van Gogh museum. The cause of the fire is still unknown as investigators looking fireworks were involved or not.

John C. Dvorak (6:22)

Or not. Fireworks or not.

Susan Kokinda (6:24)

This is.

Adam Curry (6:24)

Yeah, obviously involved. It wasn't raining there.

John C. Dvorak (6:27)

This is a travesty, though. This, this church, man, it's a beautiful church. It's complet. Completely destroyed. Was. Yes. It looked a lot like the Notre Dame fire where the whole, you know, the, the steeple, everything. The spire, I think you call it, completely on fire. And then the roof collapsing. It was bad. But I think that's very typical of. Of Holland. You know, everyone's just so. What's the word I'm looking for? Not depressed, but they're just apathetic. They're like, they don't care. Like, life sucks. This is it. Russia's gonna kill us. Whatever. We give up. And I think that's. That's all.

Adam Curry (7:02)

Take our bikes.

John C. Dvorak (7:03)

Yeah. Hey, Vladimir, take my bike. Yeah. And I think that's kind of what's happening with Gen Z in the Zoomerwaffen. I have a feeling that they're also like, yeah, you know, everything sucks. It's no good.

Adam Curry (7:20)

Gen Zeds are in, out, in force not being covered. I have no clips. I don't know what to do about it because of the lack of clips in Iran.

John C. Dvorak (7:28)

Now, interesting you bring that up. So of course we see what's happening in Iran and I can play.

Adam Curry (7:34)

But no, we don't see what's happening. You should tell people what's happening. It's just. It's not. Well, I talked about or discovered. I mean, there's a few bloggers covering it.

John C. Dvorak (7:43)

I do have a. Let's see. I have a good. Yeah, I got a couple clips. So I'll tell you up front. Right away I'm like, oh, it's kicking off in Iran. So I go to YouTube and I look for Iran Gen Zed and there's hundreds, hundreds of videos in Farsi and they all go like this. Iran Gen Zed protest. Live update. Farsi. Farsi, Gen Z Farsi. Farsi, Khamenei, Farsi, Farsi, Tehran universe protest. A university protest. And they're all from these outfits. Like, let me see. News Nation. But it's not the News Nation you think it is. I think they're pretty much all AI generated. It seems to me that whatever is happening and I do have an interesting clip where that's brought up. It seems like the Gen Z opus is trying to take credit for it or try and move that in. Hey, it's the Gen Zeds that are doing this, but it's not working because there's just, it's, it's not being reported that way. Here's. Let me see, what is this one in the alleyways of Tehran's Grand Bazaar. Oh, yeah, this is one thing I found in the alleyways of Tehran's Grand Bazaar. Chants of don't be afraid, don't be afraid. We're all together and they're not afraid.

Adam Curry (9:13)

For four days in a row.

John C. Dvorak (9:15)

Oh no. This thing is full of nat Pops streets. Some clash with riot police. Anger sparked by an economy in turmoil and soaring living costs. I should actually point out that the only clips I could get were from British outfits including BBC. This is from Channel 4.

Adam Curry (9:34)

In the last year, Iran's currency has.

John C. Dvorak (9:36)

Lost nearly half of its value against the US dollar. Inflation has seen food prices rise by 72% according to one Tehran resident whose.

Adam Curry (9:46)

Identity we are protecting.

John C. Dvorak (9:47)

Everyday items are becoming unaffordable.

Adam Curry (9:50)

Families who once belonged to the middle class are now worried about paying their rent. In the past, people worried about affording meat and fruit. Now they are struggling to buy basic items like rice and eggs. In my view, people are truly exhausted. They've reached their breaking point. They no longer want this regime and are demanding change.

John C. Dvorak (10:11)

The protests soon spread outside the capital.

Adam Curry (10:14)

With similar scenes taking place in Isfahan.

John C. Dvorak (10:16)

Shiraz in the south and Mashhad in the north.

Adam Curry (10:20)

In the city of Fatah, a group.

John C. Dvorak (10:21)

Of people are seen trying to break into a government building. And no major crackdown from the government yet. Iran's leaders avoiding the heavy police response.

Adam Curry (10:30)

Seen in previous protests, instead saying they're.

John C. Dvorak (10:33)

Open to dialogue, offering to listen to the demands of protesters. The government will listen patiently even if there are harsh voices because we believe that our people are patient enough. The government's job is to hear the voices and help them reach a common understanding to solve the problems that exist in society. There's no calm outside universities. Students are now joining the demonstrations. So students are joining the demonstrations. I just don't think it's our classic Gen Z psyop. But what was interesting, the second part.

Adam Curry (11:04)

Of this report, by the way. Which may be confirmed by the fact that it's not getting any coverage whatsoever.

John C. Dvorak (11:11)

Correct. Here is the Middle east director of Chatham House, who they bring.

Adam Curry (11:17)

There you go.

John C. Dvorak (11:19)

Exactly. So let's hear what she has to say.

Adam Curry (11:21)

I don't think that the regime itself is in a moment of imminent danger.

John C. Dvorak (11:26)

Really, because the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Adam Curry (11:29)

As we have witnessed over many years of protests, is institutionalized and has a bureaucracy that is willing to remain united and push back against dissent in the country. But what the system is looking to avoid is a long scale, protracted standoff.

John C. Dvorak (11:53)

Iran's leadership knows the quickest way to.

Adam Curry (11:56)

Ease pressure is lifting U.S. sanctions.

John C. Dvorak (11:59)

But with President Donald Trump this week threatening to, quote, knock the hell out of Iran if it rebuilds its missile program, the diplomatic mood is far from positive. All right, so we did get one little viral moment, just a very brief one, which they're trying to push an image that quickly went viral in Iran. A man sits down in the middle, middle of the street in silent protest. Facing him, lines of Iranian security personnel on motorbikes. So, like a Tiananmen Square type deal is what this guy's doing, you know, kneeling.

Adam Curry (12:31)

Kneeling. You might as well do it that way.

John C. Dvorak (12:33)

And here's the BBC report. Protests are continuing for a third day in Iran against rising prices and an increase in the price of foreign currency. Students from several universities have joined the demonstrations, which was started on Sunday by shopkeepers and market stall holders.

Adam Curry (12:49)

Tehran province has been the center of the protests.

John C. Dvorak (12:52)

Parts of Tehran market are also closed. David Bamford reports. These are the largest demonstrations since the Woman Life Freedom protest three years ago, sparked by the death of an Iranian woman, Maksa Amini, while in police custody. Today, students from the major universities in Tehran, including Sharif and Beheshdi, have joined the protests. A strike continues in Tehran's Grand Bazaar and commercial districts, with merchants keeping shops closed. There's also fresh unrest in the central city of Isfahan, where students from the University of Technology have taken to the streets. Ostensibly, these are protests about food price increases of up to 70% year on year. Sounds a bit like an Arab Spring thing. Oh, yeah, bread is expensive.

Adam Curry (13:37)

Yeah. Also, they got that angle, but they also have not mentioned, which a lot of these bloggers have talked about, that they ran out of water.

John C. Dvorak (13:46)

They've been out of water for a couple months because of a drought and just mismanagement, ostensibly.

Adam Curry (13:53)

Mismanagement, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (13:55)

Protests about food price increases of up to 70% year on year and soaring inflation. The security forces have deployed heavily, but videos show them pulling back Amid the public anger, state media say Iran's President Masjid Pezachian urged his own government to listen to what he called the legitimate demands of the protesters and make reforms. Some in the crowd can be heard.

Adam Curry (14:20)

I get the kick out of the guy who's supposedly running the country saying the government should listen. He is the government, isn't he? No, I guess not. So it's a fake.

John C. Dvorak (14:32)

Yeah. State media say Iran's President Masjid Pezachian urged his own government to listen to what he called the legitimate demands of the protesters and make reforms. Some in the crowd can be heard shouting political slogans calling for the overthrow of the Islamic Republic. Slogans that can be heard include death to the dictator, targeting Supreme Leader Khamenei, the real power in Iran. And this is the final battle. Palavi will return a reference to the family of the ruling Shah of Iran ousted in the late 1970s. That's the kid in London, isn't it?

Adam Curry (15:06)

Yeah, they keep. Yeah, there's a number of protests. Again, we don't know if this is AI or if it's real, but where. Where there's big crowds chanting his name.

John C. Dvorak (15:18)

Here's. I did get one U.S. report. This is CNN.

Adam Curry (15:21)

Iran back in the news for a couple of reasons. Its government said today it would seek.

John C. Dvorak (15:24)

A dialogue with protest leaders after demonstrations.

Adam Curry (15:26)

In Tehran and other cities over a surge in inflation. Do you think this poses a danger to the government there?

John C. Dvorak (15:34)

I think Tehran, as we all know, it's a theocratic autocracy. And like a lot of autocracies, as.

Adam Curry (15:43)

I say, I used to live in Africa.

John C. Dvorak (15:44)

Say in Africa, when the elephants fight, the grass gets trampled.

Adam Curry (15:48)

Oh, there's a new one. You never heard that before.

John C. Dvorak (15:53)

This is the great philosopher they have on cnn. Say in Africa, when the elephants fight. What does Africa have to do with Iran? This is odds.

Susan Kokinda (16:02)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (16:02)

As they say, I used to live in Africa.

John C. Dvorak (16:04)

Say in Africa, when the elephants fight.

Adam Curry (16:07)

The grass gets trampled.

John C. Dvorak (16:08)

And Iran. The grass is being trampled.

Adam Curry (16:10)

And who is fighting?

John C. Dvorak (16:11)

It's Tehran versus the rest of the folks in the region. Folks. And the US and the hit by inflation.

Adam Curry (16:17)

They've been hitting the brain.

John C. Dvorak (16:20)

Sean McFate, of economic sanctions. All because Israel. All because. I read what. What truth just came out. Hold on a second.

Adam Curry (16:31)

And they've been hit by inflation.

John C. Dvorak (16:32)

They've been hit by all sorts of economic sanctions. All because Israel. All because Iran doesn't want history to give up the nuclear weapons program. Oh, really? That's what it is.

Adam Curry (16:43)

That's what it.

John C. Dvorak (16:44)

Oh, brother.

Adam Curry (16:45)

This is CNN at its best. They have no water for three months. But it's because of the nukes.

John C. Dvorak (16:52)

Sure. And so this is always a threat to Tehran, but Tehran usually just squeezes down like autocracies and pressures them away.

Adam Curry (17:01)

And that's probably what's going to happen again. But the other problem is, is that.

John C. Dvorak (17:06)

Iran is also declared war basically, on Israel and others as we speak. And we'll see where that goes.

Adam Curry (17:16)

Tough.

John C. Dvorak (17:17)

Frightening talk from a volatile region. Frightening talk from a volatile region. You can't ignore the coincidence, of course, of Netanyahu showing up at Mar A Lago and telling Trump, hey, you know, they're thinking of moving their nukes. The whole. It just, it feels coordinated, but they don't have a message yet or they didn't plan the message or maybe, maybe it's actually real.

Adam Curry (17:42)

I think it might be.

John C. Dvorak (17:43)

It feels like it because no one is doing the messaging. Right. There's so many things.

Adam Curry (17:48)

They've been having enough coordinated bull crap riots and color revolutions that they, somebody may have a clue and have figured it out. You just need one leader and it's impossible.

John C. Dvorak (18:00)

And I told you, we talked months ago that, that guy, the, the kid who's been in, in London, he, he appears to be the one they want now. Or were they, were they saying let's, were they saying, let's go, Brandon? I'm not sure what they were.

Adam Curry (18:15)

It. Could it be both?

John C. Dvorak (18:18)

Yeah, it's hard to know. I gotta call Lex. I gotta ask him.

Adam Curry (18:23)

It's hard. Why is it hard to know? Because nobody's covering it. Where's the boots on the ground from the news media? CNN got some, has some guy giving us aphorisms from Africa, you know, sitting in the studio. Why don't you go out there and do some get. Put your feet on the ground and go float around and find out what's going on.

John C. Dvorak (18:42)

Which brings media.

Adam Curry (18:44)

You're getting paid money to do that. You have huge budgets.

John C. Dvorak (18:47)

Which brings me to the New Year's Eve, New Year's Day message from CBS Evening News. Tony Ducupel Decouple. Is that his name?

Adam Curry (18:57)

Oh, you. You recorded it?

John C. Dvorak (18:59)

Yes, of course I did.

Adam Curry (19:01)

Unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (19:02)

Now, this has to be Barry Weiss in the background, I presume. But it. Basically, we've been screwing you over for 50 years with our CBS Evening News. Yeah. You want to say.

Adam Curry (19:17)

Well, a couple of things. It's Barry. It might be just. It might be Paramount, by the way. Well, Barry Weiss would be the representative, but Barry Weiss might have gone in there and pushed for Something like this. And I think this may be a satire.

John C. Dvorak (19:34)

Well, I, I mean, I thought it was a satire, but I looked.

Adam Curry (19:37)

No, I mean, I think. No, not, not. It's not a, like a fake video that's turned into a satire. But I'm saying literally by, by Decouple or whatever his name is actually going over the top so far that it's like laughable. I said they're laughing on purpose.

John C. Dvorak (19:54)

They're laughing in the newsroom. Look at these suckers. Yeah, I will tell them.

Adam Curry (19:58)

I'm just considering it.

John C. Dvorak (20:00)

It's. Well, let's analyze.

Adam Curry (20:01)

Because it's out of control. It's so stupid to do something like this.

John C. Dvorak (20:07)

Well, the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group would have never advised this. That's for sure.

Adam Curry (20:11)

That's for sure. A lot has changed since the first person sat in this chair. But for me, the biggest difference is people do not trust us like they used to. And it's not just us, it's all of legacy media.

John C. Dvorak (20:25)

Yeah. For 18 years, dude. Because I've been hearing about it from just about everybody for more than 20.

Adam Curry (20:31)

Years as I've traveled America on this assignment. Or that my mom's neighbors in West Virginia.

John C. Dvorak (20:37)

I love where he starts right away. My mom doesn't like it. My mom's neighbor mom complained to me. Okay. For more than 20 years as I've.

Adam Curry (20:45)

Traveled America on this assignment. Or that my mom's neighbors in West.

John C. Dvorak (20:49)

Virginia, my own neighbors in New York City.

Adam Curry (20:52)

Thousands and thousands of conversations in between. Sometimes people want to talk to me about our coverage of NAFTA or the Iraq war.

John C. Dvorak (21:00)

Huh? What? How old are those people?

Adam Curry (21:04)

Hey, man, you know, maybe some people should realize what we're listening to here. I don't think we gave it enough background. This is Tony Decouple, the guy who's taking over CBS Nightly News. And this is Evening News.

John C. Dvorak (21:16)

Evening news.

Adam Curry (21:17)

Evening. Evening. Yeah, well, he's taken over the news slot. He's bumped out. You know, whoever was there before got bumped. Nora was there for a while. And this is kind of a pre mea culpa apologizing for all the screw ups they had in the past. I'm a new guy. We're gonna do it differently, this kind of thing, and it's just awkward. But in case anybody wonders what we're listening to, other times it's all about Hillary Clinton's emails or Russiagate or more.

John C. Dvorak (21:49)

Recently, COVID lockdowns, Hunter Biden's laptop or.

Adam Curry (21:53)

The President's fitness for office.

John C. Dvorak (21:55)

I think they should literally do A story on each of these things, starting today. And give us the truth. That would. That would be. That. That would be a good follow up. Somehow I doubt that's in the works.

Adam Curry (22:10)

No, I don't think so.

John C. Dvorak (22:11)

Is on too many stories.

Adam Curry (22:12)

The press has missed the story.

John C. Dvorak (22:15)

Yeah. Missed the story like it was a scam. Everything's fake and gay. And you guys are leading it. Because we've taken into account the perspective.

Adam Curry (22:24)

Of advocates and not the average American.

John C. Dvorak (22:27)

Really? This is such an admission. We've taken the account of advocates or.

Adam Curry (22:33)

We really, really poor form.

Susan Kokinda (22:35)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (22:36)

Basically saying, you know, we've worked for other people or we put too much weight in the analysis of academics or elites and not enough on you. Yes.

Adam Curry (22:47)

And the dummies.

John C. Dvorak (22:48)

Because at certain points, the plebs.

Adam Curry (22:52)

I have been you. I have felt this way, too.

John C. Dvorak (22:55)

I am you. CBS News. I am you.

Adam Curry (23:01)

I felt like what I was saying. I wouldn't be surprised to see that as a catchphrase.

John C. Dvorak (23:06)

Well, we'll give it to him. CBS News.

Adam Curry (23:09)

I.

John C. Dvorak (23:09)

And they had that little eye logo. I am you.

Adam Curry (23:12)

And I know this because at certain points, I have been you. I have felt this way, too. I felt like what I was seeing and hearing on the news didn't reflect.

John C. Dvorak (23:23)

What I was seeing and hearing in my own life.

Adam Curry (23:26)

And that the most urgent questions simply weren't being asked. So here's my promise to you today.

John C. Dvorak (23:33)

And every time you see me in this chair, I will be wearing pants. You come first.

Adam Curry (23:39)

Not advertisers, not politicians, not corporate interests. And yes, that does include the corporate owners of cbs.

John C. Dvorak (23:49)

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which is now Allison. Yeah.

Adam Curry (23:53)

I report for you, which means I.

John C. Dvorak (23:56)

Tell you what I know. Okay.

Adam Curry (23:58)

When I know it.

John C. Dvorak (23:59)

Okay. And how I know it. Oh. And when I get it wrong, I know. I know it in my knower.

Adam Curry (24:04)

I'll tell you that, too.

John C. Dvorak (24:06)

It also means I'm gonna talk to everybody and hold everyone in public life to the very same standard. After all, I became a journalist that he'll tell you everything he knows. He's holding. He's holding them to account.

Adam Curry (24:20)

This guy, by the way, was on the morning. This guy was on the morning show. He was a morning guy and he was the dumbest of the group. He was always saying stupid stuff, asking dumb questions. He's just. I don't want to just demean the guy, but he's a dummy as good.

John C. Dvorak (24:38)

He's. The dummy's almost done. It also means I'm going to talk to everybody and hold everyone in public life to the very Same standard. After all, I became a journalist to talk to people.

Adam Curry (24:49)

Oh, I love talking to people about.

John C. Dvorak (24:51)

What works in this country, what doesn't. Is that why you become a journalist? To talk to people?

Adam Curry (24:56)

I've never heard that being the reason to become a journalist. Start a podcast, become a journalist, document.

John C. Dvorak (25:02)

Reality, become a podcaster, man, you can talk to anybody.

Adam Curry (25:06)

And not only talking change, but the.

John C. Dvorak (25:09)

Good ideas that should never change. I think telling the truth is one of them.

Adam Curry (25:15)

I'm Tony decopal, the anchor of the CBS Evening News. Hold me to it. You bet.

John C. Dvorak (25:23)

Hold me to it. Cbs. Hold me to it. Yeah, that's good. Well, in this honesty vein of, of our buddy here.

Adam Curry (25:36)

Funny.

John C. Dvorak (25:36)

Yeah, it's great. I, I, at first I'm like, this is fake. This has to be fake. This can't be real. And so you need, you've held me to account, people, you've helped me to account. I, I have stolen valor on my heart.

Adam Curry (25:54)

I feel horrible. No, it's, it's the AI that stole the valor and you just stole from AI.

John C. Dvorak (26:00)

Here is so the, the, the clip of the day on the last episod really count last year of Giannis Varoufakis was AI and he discussed it recently on Unherd. And it was rather an interesting two clip conversation. I received a message, some WhatsApp message from a very esteemed colleague. Yes, the Kuri Dvorak podcast. They said, hey, is this you, a person whose opinion I value a lot? Oh, yes.

Adam Curry (26:34)

He was congratulating me over a YouTube.

John C. Dvorak (26:37)

Video of mine and he had a link in there. So this was spot on. Yannis, really very good analysis. It wasn't the one you showed just now. So I clicked on the link to remind myself of what it is that I had said, which my colleague liked. And it was two minutes into the video that I realized wasn't me. That's in two minutes. It's an eternity. So if the guy himself didn't realize it for two minutes, that's.

Adam Curry (27:01)

Yeah, you can't take too much blame. Even though I rebuke, I rebuke and denounce and renounce the clip of the day.

John C. Dvorak (27:09)

Denounce and renounce and listen to how we actually figured it out. When you have somebody saying things you.

Adam Curry (27:16)

Never said, but which you could have.

John C. Dvorak (27:17)

Said, the reason why I caught onto this was because you see this blue shirt? Well, I was wearing it in that video, but that video was set in my office in Athens. Here I'm talking to you from my island home, and this shirt has never Left, by the way. Remind me to use that line today. I'm talking to you from my island home. I'm not in my regular home. My island home. It was this juxtaposition of my blue shirt from one house to the other that alerted me to the fact that it wasn't me. And, you know, then of course, I started digging into it, and it turns out that the words that you just heard, I have never spoken. But alas, there are words that I could have spoken. The analysis is not far off mine. And there have been videos that I've watched of myself where I would articulate an argument in ways that I don't disagree with, that maybe I would have said it. But then, and this is the most insidious part, I'm sure you can understand it. I'm sure our audience can understand it. Then suddenly a sentence would be inserted in my soliloquy that I would never have said. And that is where the defamatory part starts. That's when I. I blew my top. And I started writing to Google and to Meta and Instagram and so on. I blew my top. He blew his top.

Adam Curry (28:37)

I blew my top. Top, top, top.

John C. Dvorak (28:39)

The funnier part of the story is when he tried to do something about it. Which brings us to the. The whole monetization system that big tech has imposed upon an unsuspecting world. Because, you know, as you can imagine, the first thing I did when I came across these fake videos was to write to Google and to Meta and to these people. It took days before I got a response. The response was, interestingly, of course, AI generated. Then I insisted on talking to a real person. I don't know whether they succeeded. Maybe they referred me to a more realistic version of AI who wrote a more human, like, letter. In the end, it took eight days, nine days after my first form that I filled and I submitted, illustrating and demonstrating and proving that these are deep fake versions of me. And they brought one channel down. And then within seconds, the same material reemerged in a different channel under a different name, but the same videos. And I realized within two weeks that this was a losing game. He's given up. He's just given up on it. You can't even. You can't even talk to a real person at Google about this. It's amazing. It's an amazing time we live in, I'll tell you that.

Adam Curry (29:59)

Yeah, this is a problem. Yeah, I think this is more of a problem than we like to think.

John C. Dvorak (30:05)

Oh, it's a huge problem. But, yeah, it's the model, obviously. It's the. It's the. Well, the monetization model. Well, we.

Adam Curry (30:14)

I expect that. That there'll be moments over the next year where we'll be suckered into many times more than once. Yeah, I'm sure it was playing a clip from someone who is. It's a perfect clip, and it's not done in such a way that it gives itself away as being a fake. And it'll be a good clip, but it'll be fake. It won't be the guy. I mean, this was what happened. It's unfortunate, but it's just gonna happen.

John C. Dvorak (30:48)

The funny thing is, is that the clip that we played was him talking about Russia's retaliation against the freezing, the permanent freezing of the Russian assets at Euroclear and other banks in the eu. And so I went and said, well, did this actually happen or not? Was this just a report that they used him? And it turns out, yes, Russia nationalized a whole bunch of EU companies, but they did it a year ago, which we didn't even hear about, including Carlsberg, Danone, Fortem, Uniper. I mean, so. And totaling even more than the fake AI clip said, this all happened.

Adam Curry (31:40)

Yeah. This seems to me to be the Russians. They can do AI as well as. I mean, they can use the same tools we have, and they have smart people, and they have to. They have to be. Besides, Putin's people have to be beside themselves with how come this. We're gonna. Okay, you guys are gonna do that. We're gonna do this. And nobody reports it. And so they say, nobody's reporting on what we're up to.

John C. Dvorak (32:06)

We're not doing it. Right.

Adam Curry (32:07)

We'll do this, then we'll do that, then we'll do this. What are we gonna do to get. And so after a year, they say, what can we do to get this information out there since nobody will pick it up? Let's do a fake video with this gu and just put it out there and just soak the market with it and let the virals take it over. And that's what they did. I absolutely convinced that this is Russian intelligence.

John C. Dvorak (32:32)

And make sure those dopes at the no Agenda show see it.

Adam Curry (32:36)

Send a copy to Curry. That guy, he's a sucker for the Ruskies.

John C. Dvorak (32:44)

Yeah. Which kind of brings into question this whole drone attack on Putin's home.

Adam Curry (32:51)

Yeah, I have a couple. I have a clip on that, but I have an.

John C. Dvorak (32:54)

Also, I have an intro overview clip of that. Do you want. Yeah, yeah, let me. I'll Play that and then you do whatever you want.

Adam Curry (33:01)

Yeah, play it.

John C. Dvorak (33:01)

From a snowy Moscow this morning. The Kremlin keeping up its latest flurry of accusations against Ukraine that Kyiv was trying to undermine progress towards a peace deal by launching a drone attack on one of Vladimir Putin's residences. This is a channel 4. Again, Ukraine has ridiculed the claims, but Russia nonetheless promising to toughen its stance. That military today releasing images of what it said were its Oreshnik hypersonic nuclear capable missiles being deployed in Belarus. Russia claims Ukraine launched 91 drones in a mass attack on the Putin residents. They would have had to fly more than 400 miles through heavily defended airspace en route to the target. A sprawling complex on the northeastern shore of Lake Valdai. It's self guarded by 12 nearby air defense batteries. There are no local reports of any explosions.

Adam Curry (33:47)

I learned about it from President Putin today. I was very angry about it.

John C. Dvorak (33:51)

President Trump beating the Israeli Prime Minister yesterday challenged on whether U.S. intelligence had any evidence it had happened.

Adam Curry (33:57)

You're saying maybe the attack didn't take place? It's possible to, I guess, but President Putin told me this morning it did.

John C. Dvorak (34:03)

As for the timing of this, I mean, politically, it wouldn't be a very judicious moment to strike in this way. No, I mean, for all sorts of reasons. Firstly, there is, this is some dude from the University College of London, an informal etiquette, shall we say, that you don't go after the other side's leaders or else you, you face that same threat yourself. Secondly, it would risk doing away with all of the goodwill generated by Zelensky's trip to Florida. And thirdly, the problem is Zelensky did in his, his Christmas address pretty openly wish for Putin's death. And so in that context, again, this, this, this would look a little bit.

Adam Curry (34:39)

Too on the nose.

John C. Dvorak (34:41)

So let's look at the three options.

Adam Curry (34:42)

Well, let's listen to the. By the way, that was the guy with a British accent doing his reporting.

John C. Dvorak (34:49)

Yes. Can I, can I say what I.

Adam Curry (34:53)

Was going to say?

John C. Dvorak (34:53)

So here are the options.

Adam Curry (34:55)

It's the pauses. That was my pregnant pause.

John C. Dvorak (34:58)

Yeah. Which by the way, does cut out some Bluetooth headsets. I'm sorry, when we have a pause, there's still some Bluetooth headsets out there that see zero bytes and think, oh, the podcast's over and it disconnects.

Adam Curry (35:10)

What?

John C. Dvorak (35:11)

Yeah, yeah, this is a recurring problem because.

Adam Curry (35:15)

Well, that's idiotic.

John C. Dvorak (35:16)

Well, because of the noise gate, there is zero. I mean, it's not like a little bit, it's Just there's zero noise and the Bluetooth thinks, oh, it's quiet, so I'll just disconnect.

Adam Curry (35:25)

Oh, heaven forbid that we actually have a production that produces quiet that is actually quiet, quiet time as opposed to a buzzing sound or whatever the resume.

John C. Dvorak (35:40)

Well, the solution, of course, is just to listen to us at 10x and you'll be fine. So the options are one, Ukraine did this, B, it was a false flag by Russia, or C, which I think is more likely, is that something, maybe not 91 drones, but something was lit up by the North Sea Nexus to.

Adam Curry (36:03)

Which is where my clips go.

John C. Dvorak (36:05)

To interrupt the. The negotiations between.

Adam Curry (36:09)

Which is where my clips go.

John C. Dvorak (36:11)

Well, I heard you, so I'm ready for your clips.

Adam Curry (36:14)

Well, first, just as the intro clip, to counter your intro clip, I have one from NTD that we can play before I play the clips of the Nexus clips. Two days after an alleged attack on.

John C. Dvorak (36:26)

Russian President Vladimir Putin, Moscow is now.

Adam Curry (36:29)

Releasing video footage for the first time.

John C. Dvorak (36:31)

According to the Kremlin, Ukraine launched over 90 drones at Putin's residence on Monday, overnight.

Adam Curry (36:37)

After international calls for evidence to back up the claim, Russia released this video.

John C. Dvorak (36:42)

On Wednesday showing one drone in a dark forest. Neither the location nor the date of.

Adam Curry (36:46)

The video could be independently verified.

John C. Dvorak (36:49)

Zelensky denies the claims of an attack.

Adam Curry (36:51)

Saying Russia is lying to undermine the.

John C. Dvorak (36:54)

Peace process, which had been developing fast.

Adam Curry (36:56)

Before the alleged attack.

John C. Dvorak (36:58)

Also on Wednesday, President Trump shared a New York Post article which states that the drone strike likely never happened. A day earlier, the US Ambassador to NATO also cast doubt on the accusation that Ukraine attacked Putin's residents. He said it's unclear whether the attack actually happened. The ambassador added that he wants to see US Intelligence on the incident. Meanwhile, the US Continues working on a possible peace deal. Speaking with Ukrainian and European officials, special envoy Steve Witkoff says they focused on how to move the discussions forward in a practical way on behalf of President Trump's peace process. Okay, well, I think option C is still the most viable option that the. The North Sea Nexus was fiddling about to disrupt these peace talks because they are warmongers and they want war. They just want. They are. They just want war. They want their children to die. Yes, they do. Like, oh, you're gonna go into the army now, son. Yeah. Hey, child sacrifice is powerful aphrodisiac. So.

Adam Curry (38:10)

Well, here is the. This is a woman that showed up on runs out of this Prometheus project very much.

John C. Dvorak (38:18)

Hold on, hold on. You know that I introduced them to the podcast three months ago.

Adam Curry (38:23)

Yeah. Okay, well, here she is giving her spiel and. Which makes. By the way, what you just said makes it sound as though you stole the Nexus idea from them.

John C. Dvorak (38:31)

No, let me just remind you, I played the clips from Tom Luongo from Gold, Goats and guns. I played three clips from the LaRouche Ladies, which is their former. And I said the only thing they're doing wrong is they're calling it the Dutch Anglo. The Dutch Anglo system. And that's when on that very podcast, I said I'm calling it the North Sea Nexus. So I give them full credit.

Adam Curry (39:01)

This woman who is another one, who I think is a larouche because Barbara.

John C. Dvorak (39:05)

Kinda.

Adam Curry (39:07)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (39:07)

Or Susan Kokinda. I'm sorry, the other one's Barbara.

Adam Curry (39:09)

I don't know. One of the characters.

John C. Dvorak (39:11)

They're both larouche ladies. Okay, maybe you should explain who larouche was.

Adam Curry (39:17)

Lyndon larouche. You said it like.

John C. Dvorak (39:22)

Mark Levin. Lyndon larouche.

Adam Curry (39:25)

Lyndon larouche was this guy with this unbelievably affectatious delivery of. I wish I could do his voice, but he was a. He is in. He's in a conspiracy category all his own.

John C. Dvorak (39:42)

Oh, this is before I was in the game.

Adam Curry (39:46)

He was. He's very singular and people should look him up and try and follow because it's like very compelling. It's like David Icke without the reptilian stuff. And. But it's. But it's close to it. But it's. It's this complex system, how the world works that is, it makes. Makes some sort of sense. And if once they hypnotize you into believing it, this woman has the. She has those elements. But at the same time, this is closer to what your thesis is based on. Except she kind of takes the Nexus. And instead of making it a nexus, it's mostly just the British monarchy.

John C. Dvorak (40:30)

Right.

Adam Curry (40:31)

And. But it falls in line with. With what we're thinking, as opposed to what the mainstream podcasting verse is thinking, which Israel.

John C. Dvorak (40:47)

Just asking questions.

Adam Curry (40:49)

So it's so. This is so. So it has. It's fun. And I have a bunch of these. One of them is long, but the rest of them are pretty short of her discussing this. And it brings. It shows that somebody sent this clip earlier this morning, even though I picked it up yesterday, but they sent it to say, this is proof that Adam is right about the. It's no proof. There's no proof in here.

John C. Dvorak (41:12)

Yes, it is. It's proof I was right.

Adam Curry (41:14)

There's no proof. This is all a thesis. And it's. And it's Stretched a bit because there's some moments where she's adding to it, but the fact that she's got clips from the House of Lords and they're all concerned about.

John C. Dvorak (41:29)

I've seen this one. Yeah, this is good. This is good.

Adam Curry (41:31)

This is good. The House of Lords is all bent out. I'm sorry. Play the clip so I'll stop talking.

John C. Dvorak (41:37)

Yes, this is indeed Susan Kokinda.

Susan Kokinda (41:39)

The national security strategy is a mortal threat to the British Empire and we're going to activate all of our networks in the United States to try and stop it.

John C. Dvorak (41:47)

It.

Susan Kokinda (41:47)

They're saying this because they're terrified, but if you listen to the noise in Washington and in social media, you'd think Trump was the one losing control. Because in the last few days after the President met with Zelensky and Netanyahu, the political world has exploded. Now, if you listen to Mike Pompeo and the neocons, Trump sold out to Putin. If you listen to the anti war crowd, he sold out to Zelensky.

John C. Dvorak (42:14)

And what about the.

Susan Kokinda (42:15)

If you follow the MAGA wars or Marjorie Taylor Greene, you're being told he surrendered to Israel or can we just do America? They're all wrong. What you just witnessed wasn't a sellout. It was a takeover. It was the first live fire test of the very strategy the British are trying to kill. Trump hasn't surrendered. He signed the Do Not Resuscitate order for the British post war world. And that's why they're not celebrating in London or Brussels too.

John C. Dvorak (42:42)

I like the writing. The writing is good. You know, the Do Not Resuscitate. This is, that's, that's mature writing.

Susan Kokinda (42:49)

They realize the special relationship. Their ability to manipulate American power for their wars is over as long as Donald Trump is calling the shots. I'm Susan Kokenda. I became politically active way back in 1968.

John C. Dvorak (43:04)

Whoa.

Susan Kokinda (43:05)

Campaigning for Robert F. How old is.

John C. Dvorak (43:07)

She's pretty much.

Adam Curry (43:10)

She looks. She looks like my age. Yeah, she's a septuagenarian for sure. She has a.

John C. Dvorak (43:16)

She's gotta be.

Adam Curry (43:17)

And she. And I was the same as her. I can parallel it because I was a Kennedy guy and you were a Democrat.

John C. Dvorak (43:25)

You were a liberal.

Adam Curry (43:26)

I was a Democrat. I was all for Robert F. Kennedy and then I went to. Then I was for George McGovern and that. Who is the worst candidate they've ever featured. He went to Berkeley and to give a lecture. I went to and talked to him. I got to meet him and.

John C. Dvorak (43:39)

Did you get his autograph?

Adam Curry (43:40)

The nicest Guy in the world.

John C. Dvorak (43:42)

What, did you get his autograph?

Adam Curry (43:45)

You know, I'm looking back on my life.

John C. Dvorak (43:48)

Oh, wow.

Adam Curry (43:50)

I'm looking back on my life and thinking of the autographs I missed. I could have retired. I could have retired on Stan Lee alone. Stan Lee shows up at Tech tv and he. I'm chatting with him.

John C. Dvorak (44:06)

No one knows who Stan Lee is.

Adam Curry (44:08)

Stan Lee, the Marvel Comics guy. Everybody, boomers, everybody knows who Stan Lee is. And so if I had brought 10 comic books and had him sign 10 comic books. Stan Lee, Stan Lee. They were auctioning those for $10,000 a pop.

John C. Dvorak (44:28)

Wow. You'd retire for a whole year. Awesome.

Adam Curry (44:30)

Well, I could retire for a few months, but I'm just saying that's just one of many guys I dropped the ball on getting an autograph from.

John C. Dvorak (44:37)

And you are the proto archivist, and yet you drop the ball on the autographs. That's interesting.

Adam Curry (44:44)

It's pathetic.

Susan Kokinda (44:46)

I became politically active way back in 1968, campaigning for Robert F. Kennedy Sr. In California when he was assassinated. For decades, my colleagues at Promethean Action and I have been in the real fight. So take it from a political veteran. If enough of you understand what Trump is doing, we're going to celebrate the 250th anniversary of our independence in victory in 2026 by finishing the job.

John C. Dvorak (45:13)

So just as a little aside about the Promethean Action, ever since I introduced it to the show and we started with the North Sea Nexus, at least twice, sometimes five times a day, someone will send me a link. They do three videos a week. Someone will send me a link and say, here's proof you were right. This is it. So what I'm happy about is that they're getting traction, because they are on this day and night. They do a live stream for, like, five hours on Thursdays. Good. Yeah. So I'm happy that they're getting traction with this.

Adam Curry (45:46)

We got other things to do, like Iran, whatever.

John C. Dvorak (45:50)

Like, it's.

Adam Curry (45:51)

There's things. There's other things besides, not much. This is important.

John C. Dvorak (45:54)

All connected. It's all connected.

Adam Curry (45:55)

It might be connected, but it's like there's a lot of work to do besides just our heartbreak.

John C. Dvorak (46:01)

We got TikTok videos to play. Come on.

Adam Curry (46:04)

And I do have a couple.

John C. Dvorak (46:05)

I know you do. I know you do.

Adam Curry (46:07)

And they're gems. But anyway, let's continue with the north.

Susan Kokinda (46:09)

Sea Nexus, the 2025 National Security Strategy, and this week, Trump used it to clear the board. So let's start with Russia and Ukraine, the British and the EU sent Zelensky to mar a lago with a mission.

John C. Dvorak (46:23)

Did you basically cut up the whole 15 minute report? No.

Adam Curry (46:27)

The fact they didn't even start at the beginning.

Susan Kokinda (46:29)

Demand open interest.

Adam Curry (46:30)

The problem is she re she her problem. A couple of things with the 15 minute. I got about. I got a lot of minutes, but not the whole thing. The problem is she repeats herself two or three times and she also then she goes into a sales pitch for the Promethean. Whatever the hell is it.

John C. Dvorak (46:46)

Promethean action and their book, how the British Kill our President.

Adam Curry (46:49)

Yeah, and she goes on and on and on. So I cut all that stuff out.

John C. Dvorak (46:53)

Oh, okay. All right. So it's a stripped down version of the larouche ladies. Nice.

Adam Curry (46:58)

Exactly.

Susan Kokinda (46:59)

Open ended security, guarantee NATO membership and keep the war machine running. They're operating off of Winston Churchill's post.

Adam Curry (47:07)

War, by the way. That's something you never want to see.

John C. Dvorak (47:10)

What?

Adam Curry (47:11)

Strip down larouche ladies.

Susan Kokinda (47:15)

They're operating off of Winston Churchill.

John C. Dvorak (47:17)

I bet you she was really cute in her 20s and 30s.

Adam Curry (47:21)

Maybe.

John C. Dvorak (47:21)

I'm going to look her up.

Susan Kokinda (47:22)

Post war playbook that says Russia is our permanent enemy. But Trump is operating off his new national security strategy. And here's what it says. It is a core interest of the United States to negotiate an expeditious cessation of hostilities in Ukraine to prevent unintended escalation or expansion of the war and re establish strategic stability with Russia. And then a little later and to end the perception and prevent the reality of NATO as a perpetually expanding alliance. That is what is driving Trump's negotiating position with Zelensky. So how did the empire respond to Trump's refusal to bend? Immediately after the meeting, drones attacked President Putin's residence in Valdai. The Russians were furious, but they called it a slap in the face to Trump. Now ask yourself, was this really just Zelensky going rogue or was the British hand at work? We're not alone in pointing out that British intelligence plays a bigger role in guiding these drone systems than the Ukrainians do. As the conservative Treehouse blog put it in their coverage of the attack. I suspect the British did it. So this wasn't a military strike. It was a sabotage operation designed to blow up the Trump Putin Peace Channel. But Trump and Putin refused to take the bait. They aren't pawns anymore. Here's Trump's response.

Adam Curry (48:43)

President Putin told me about it early in the morning. He said he was attacked. That's no good. It's no good. Don't forget, you know the Tomahawks I stopped the Tomahawks. I didn't want that. Because we're talking about, you know, it's a delicate period of time. This is not the right time. It's one thing to be offensive because they're offensive. It's another thing to attack his house. It's not the right time to do any of that.

John C. Dvorak (49:10)

Now is not the time to attack his house. That's later, not right now. So who is he talking to? The president is always talking to somebody. So was he in this case?

Adam Curry (49:21)

That was just one of those mini press conferences.

John C. Dvorak (49:23)

I know, but was he hypothetically speaking to Ukraine or is there an undertone there? You know what I mean?

Adam Curry (49:32)

I think he was hypothetically speaking to the Nexus.

John C. Dvorak (49:35)

That's what I would presume. Yes.

Adam Curry (49:38)

He's saying, look, we figured out what you're up to. No, this is not the time.

John C. Dvorak (49:43)

No, stop it.

Adam Curry (49:47)

Yeah, this is an issue. Okay. Onward.

Susan Kokinda (49:49)

And Putin's spokesman Ushakov reported that in that conversation with Trump, Vladimir Putin emphasized that the Russian side intends to continue close and productive work with its US Partners in searching for ways to achieve peace. Now watch how this same grand strategy explains the panic over the Netanyahu meeting. For decades, the British have used the Mideast as the cockpit of war. They've created Zionism and Islamic fundamentalism to play the superpowers and victim nations against each other.

John C. Dvorak (50:24)

Yep.

Susan Kokinda (50:24)

The new national security strategy over it accurately states that for a half century, American foreign policy prioritized the Mideast above all other regions because it was a major energy supplier. And it described it as a prime theater of superpower competition. But the NSS goes on to say those dynamics no longer hold because superpower competition has given way to great power jockeying in which the United States retains the most enviable position, reinforced by President Trump's successful revitalization of our alliances in the Gulf with other Arab partners and with Israel. Catch that? Revitalization of our alliances in the Gulf with other Arab partners and with Israel. Not Israel first, despite what Tucker Carlson thinks.

Adam Curry (51:18)

Yeah.

Susan Kokinda (51:18)

Trump is saying we're not playing your games any longer. And he is deliberately and quietly removing countries from the grip of the geopoliticians and treating them as independent nations with common interests with the United States, not as pawns or gas stations or triggers for religious prophecy.

John C. Dvorak (51:40)

I mean, I can't argue that that is. That is what I see happening. Along with the core five.

Adam Curry (51:47)

Yeah, the core five.

John C. Dvorak (51:48)

The core five, yes.

Adam Curry (51:50)

That's what. That would be the end point.

John C. Dvorak (51:51)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (51:52)

So okay, we'll go. I think we're on clip four.

Susan Kokinda (51:54)

So the British Empire isn't going to go down without a fight. On December 11, not too long after Trump released his national security strategy, the British House of Lords was all ready. They held a pearl clutching session about the NSS and what they had to do about it.

John C. Dvorak (52:12)

I thought, by the way, just in advance, I thought this was kind of weak after the setup I'm like okay.

Adam Curry (52:19)

Maybe yeah, no, this is where she has, this is weak. There's two clips here and they're both of them. You have to read a lot into it. But then again if you look at it from the perspective of British, of the British, you know they understate so much that it's, I mean as a policy, as a way of communicating fair point that it's quite likely they were saying a lot more than we can understand.

Susan Kokinda (52:42)

First Lord Beamish happily reported that the US Congress doesn't agree with Trump and his national security strategy.

Adam Curry (52:50)

Last week the US Congress on a bipartisan basis passed the National Defense Defence Authorization act which was signed by the President on Thursday night. That act gives a commitment to US troops in Europe, also highlights that it sees Russia as a threat not just to Europe but to the United States and also gives a commitment to future US commitment to providing the senior military figure for secure the leader of the commander of nat.

John C. Dvorak (53:22)

Does my honorable friend, my noble friend.

Adam Curry (53:25)

Agree that we should be looking at actions rather than some of the wild statements coming from the White House?

Susan Kokinda (53:31)

Then Lord Land reported that he had just been in the US where he discussed the problem of the national security strategy with members of the US Congress.

John C. Dvorak (53:43)

I was in Washington D.C. last week.

Adam Curry (53:45)

With other members of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly. And when the national security security strategy.

John C. Dvorak (53:50)

Was discussed with our fellow elected members in the US their message was clear that NSS is come and go. Sometimes they're implemented and sometimes they don't. But we should judge by what Congress passes.

Adam Curry (54:02)

And the National Defence Appropriation act last.

John C. Dvorak (54:05)

Week delivered an extra £8 billion to.

Adam Curry (54:08)

European defence and put a floor of some 76,000 troops.

John C. Dvorak (54:11)

US troops in Europe.

Susan Kokinda (54:13)

Did you hear that? National security strategies come and go. Does that remind you of what we reported last week? How outlets of empire like Chatham House and the Council on Foreign Relations want to outlast the President.

Adam Curry (54:29)

Yeah, I've been noticing this too. This idea of outlasting the President.

John C. Dvorak (54:35)

Yes. I mean even some Republicans are kind of letting that shine through.

Adam Curry (54:41)

Schumer brings it up too. Schumer was outlasting Schumer's a six guys.

John C. Dvorak (54:46)

Yeah, three more years were good.

Adam Curry (54:47)

Yeah, we can put three more years up.

John C. Dvorak (54:49)

But it also shows you that who's really running shows is the military industrial complex that, you know, the whole NDAA was at least $150 billion more than Trump even wanted with his big beautiful battleships. Where'd that come from? From Congress.

Adam Curry (55:10)

Yeah, the battleship.

John C. Dvorak (55:11)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (55:12)

So which clip are we on? I think five.

John C. Dvorak (55:15)

Yes. Oh man. Good.

Adam Curry (55:16)

We're getting there.

John C. Dvorak (55:16)

All right.

Susan Kokinda (55:17)

How they're maintaining their TR horses in the Congress and the rest of the political landscape, the rhinos, the never Trumpers like Mike Pence and the Koch interests. So while too many in the MAGA.

John C. Dvorak (55:29)

Base are caught up, she in a previous episode she mentioned that Chatham House has put all of their eggs in the Mike Pence basket and that that they're pushing that Chatham House. So read the British intelligence communitate are pushing for Pence to run in 2028.

Adam Curry (55:50)

Yeah, I'm on their mailing list. I get a lot of good stuff from them.

Susan Kokinda (55:53)

In the fabricated faction fights and secondary issues or frankly are acting like five year olds demanding headline grabbing indictments. Right now Donald Trump is dismantling a strategic architecture that has been in Place since 1945. An architecture that's used the United States as the dumb giant in the British Empire's globalist schemes. And the British know it. But even bigger than Trump's strategic revolution is the economic revolution, because that's what this is really all about. Go back to the end of World War II and the summit in Casablanca where Franklin Roosevelt said to Winston Churchill, Winston, we didn't fight that war to re establish British 18th century methods. And Churchill countered and said what do you mean by that? And FDR said, a system that takes more out of a country than it puts back in. Well, Roosevelt died before the war ended and the result was the ultimate triumph of British 18th century methods or a system which takes more out than it puts in. Look at what has happened to the United States. We used to have a middle and working class based on a robust manufacturing sector and a tradition of family farms. And here's what's happened since the end of World War II. In 1950, 31% of the U.S. population was engaged in manufacturing. Today it's only 8%. And if you add other goods producing sectors like agriculture and mining and transportation, we used to have 55% engaged in productive activity. Today it is less than 20. Our good paying jobs, our industry, our infrastructure, our family farms, they disappeared along.

John C. Dvorak (57:39)

With the middle class okay, Captain Obvious. Got it.

Adam Curry (57:45)

I forget. I didn't realize. The one thing I learned in this, all these clips is this meeting in Casablanca where Roosevelt called out Churchill and then died. So they couldn't do anything. But. Okay, so this wraps it up a little bit.

Susan Kokinda (58:03)

Our economic sovereignty was stripped by British 18th century methods of financialization and free trade. In exchange, we imported everything. Food, cheap crap. And our trade deficit exploded. In other words, more was taken out than was put back in. Donald Trump is reversing that. That's why tariffs are such a powerful weapon and are so hated by the global elites. And they're working. We're rebuilding our manufacturing base and our economic independence. In November alone, ground was broken on 136 new factories, 78 processing plants.

John C. Dvorak (58:43)

This is where you're supposed to say, what about the Ohio plant?

Adam Curry (58:49)

What about the Ohio Foxconn plant?

John C. Dvorak (58:52)

That's the one.

Adam Curry (58:52)

No, it's not. No, no. The Foxconn plant was in Minnesota.

John C. Dvorak (58:57)

I don't remember where it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you think that this is true? Over 100 factories.

Adam Curry (59:03)

I don't know how they see evidence of it.

Susan Kokinda (59:07)

Was broken on 136 new factories, 78 processing plants and 199 new warehouses. But even more important than physical growth is the reawakening of a productive spirit within the population and especially among young people. Look at this headline. Look at the response of young people in blue Massachusetts to the opportunity of getting vocational training and having a productive job rather than a dead end liberal arts degree with tons of debt. And even more important than that is the promise of the future of going beyond where we were at the end of World War II before we surrendered to British 18th century methods.

John C. Dvorak (59:50)

You know this. So couple things. And I don't think we ever should play a full Promethean action report again.

Adam Curry (59:57)

You don't have to.

John C. Dvorak (59:58)

That was pretty cool.

Adam Curry (59:59)

You heard the summary one. That was quite good.

John C. Dvorak (60:01)

Yeah, it was pretty good. Just for the. Because we're trying to figure out some things like, you know, who does Nick Fuentes work for? If he works for anybody. He is without a doubt the voice of a generation of the. The Zoomerwaffen. But I was just thinking, you know, because there's all. Because I. Someone sent me a link and said you need to watch the whole. Nick Fuentes. You need, you know, you can't be on uncle if you don't know what's going on. So I watched the whole. It was actually five hours, of which two hours.

Adam Curry (60:36)

This is. You have to Be careful which one you pick.

John C. Dvorak (60:39)

Well, it doesn't matter. It was five hours of pre roll and pre show.

Adam Curry (60:43)

Oh, no, no, that was always.

John C. Dvorak (60:45)

It was good.

Adam Curry (60:46)

Well, if you get away from the pre roll.

John C. Dvorak (60:49)

I loved watching the pre roll stuff. Stuff.

Adam Curry (60:51)

That was two hours of pre roll.

John C. Dvorak (60:53)

I, I was sick, so. But just sat on the couch and watched the show.

Adam Curry (60:56)

You were sick. That's gonna not gonna make you healthy.

John C. Dvorak (60:59)

And then I watched his full show and you know, he's hitting all the hot buttons. Like there's no jobs, we can't find anyone to have sex with. You know, everything's falling apart. Everything's fake and gay. You know, I'm just. When I say fake and gay, that's G E G H E y. Just all of this stuff. And he, he in good talk show format and he has so much of. I really feel some Limbaugh in there. He's got a. He's. You're right. He's very, very good. He could also. He could be a preacher almost.

Adam Curry (61:33)

And.

John C. Dvorak (61:34)

But there's never any solutions. It's all just, everything's no good. And then it's, you know, and he's kind of slips in. It's, you know, it's the black people, it's the Jews, it's the women. That's. That's kind of how it, how it flows. But it was interesting. I thought, you know, let me just make a list between boomers and Zoomers for a moment. Now I'm a boomer adjacent, but in this case I'll just be boomer slash Gen X. So, you know, well, we've got climate change and, and this is also horrible. When I was a kid, we had the ozone layer, an acid rain. We were going to burn up.

Adam Curry (62:14)

Rain was my favorite.

John C. Dvorak (62:16)

The drug crisis.

Adam Curry (62:17)

That's a good one.

John C. Dvorak (62:18)

Yeah, yeah, the drug crisis. Oh, you die from a pill on Snapchat, bro. We had, we had crack. Crack for the first time. You have no idea what the, what the streets look like with crack. It was bad algorithms and all this horrible Internet. You know, the media panic. We had satanic panic. We were all going to die. The back masking, the Satanists were everywhere. The Luciferian society. We had Tipper Gore telling us we couldn't listen to music.

Adam Curry (62:52)

You know Tipper Gore?

John C. Dvorak (62:54)

Yeah, you know, you.

Adam Curry (62:56)

So the Zoomers had ratings on the music albums?

John C. Dvorak (62:59)

Yeah, yeah, Zoomers. You know, we, we don't. There's no company we could be loyal to. We have to have side hustles, dude. We had Greed is Good. And yuppies. And you had to work 80 hours and do coke just to keep up with it.

Adam Curry (63:14)

Of the yuppies.

John C. Dvorak (63:15)

The yuppies, yes. Oh, there's war everywhere. In 1980, we all had to actually register for the draft because we had conflicts in Lebanon, Granada, Central America, you know, proxy wars. So does it sound familiar? Campus protests, Hub. Oh, yes, it's a pro power.

Adam Curry (63:38)

You know, we have new. No, that's not all. Campus protests are brand new. We've never had them before.

John C. Dvorak (63:44)

We had South Africa. We had, you know, divest from South Africa. I'm not going to play Sun City. We had entire bands putting together benefit records, chat. GPT is going to take your job. The actual job started to go away in America with robots, with robotics for car companies. We went through all this, you know. Oh, well, you know, we're not going to have Social Security. Social Security. We, we got taken off pensions and here's your 401k. Good luck. It's your, it's your problem now. And, and consumer debt. We literally were given credit cards. Hey, have fun. It's going to be great. We got screwed with all that and everyone's all like, you know, true crime. If kids are getting killed, you know, we gotta look, analyze this on the podcast. We, you know, we had, we had the same thing, only we had milk cartons and we looked at all the milk cartons with the kids on the milk cartons. It's, it's always the same. It just has a different name. The only thing we didn't have was parents who would let us live rent free at home until we were 30. That's what we didn't have. So spare me. And John, you're half a generation older than me. I think you can come up with examples exactly the same. I didn't even believe that. Bring.

Adam Curry (65:18)

Go back to HUAC and the riots back in the day.

John C. Dvorak (65:22)

HUAC?

Adam Curry (65:23)

Yeah, HUAC House, UN American Activities Committees, riots. So in the 50s. And so, yeah, yeah. The prop. The thing is, of course, is that it just. Nothing's changed that much.

John C. Dvorak (65:39)

No, it's a cycle and it's just going, oh, round and round around. Only this time it's a little different. We have podcasters and they come up with all kinds of connections. Once, once, October 7th happened. Then, then we got the punk rock podcasters and, and he was already doing it, you know, and in a way, Kanye, you know, people just come out, say, hey man, it's the Jews. And, and it's so interesting to deconstruct how that all fits together because Epstein is a big part of it. Because of course, the Jews, Israel has Mossad and, and Epstein and his pedophilia. And therefore immediately all of our Congress is being blackmailed, blackmailed, blackmailed. So they have to vote whatever AIPAC tells them to. And it's.

Adam Curry (66:35)

And of course, there was no blackmailing going on during the Edgar Hoover era of the FBI.

John C. Dvorak (66:42)

No, nothing was going on when the.

Adam Curry (66:43)

FBI was just a blackmailing operation.

John C. Dvorak (66:47)

And so you have this. Then there's the Christian Zionism angle. So of course you get Tucker hounding Ted Cruz, who's an idiot, said, well, my Bible tells me I need to bless Israel. And then Tucker, of course, convolutes that to, oh, you mean the government of Israel. So all of. I think there's a movement afoot. You can kind of see it with all these podcasters, young podcasters, moving towards Catholicism. And then there's all kinds of theories, but basically, in replacement theology, the Jews don't matter anymore. So anyone who is still for, quote, unquote, Israel, and that's a big question is, what is that, obviously, is in the bag for Israel. And that's where all of this kind of comes from. And then you can just easily say.

Adam Curry (67:40)

Well.

John C. Dvorak (67:42)

You'Re a shill for Israel. You're taking, making shekels. But the thing that really got me, and I picked up this clip from Candace Owens, and she was on the Theo Vaughn show, and this is a perfect Man Gelman type experiment. Man Gelman, amnesia. So when someone says something and you know it's demonstrably wrong, how can you believe anything they say? And I understand, and the only one who's pretty good at it is Nick Fuentes. But everybody else, you know, just, they just throw stuff out there. And you know, when you're putting together a theory and you pull in historical events and you know, oh, well, this happened, that happened, and therefore the Jews. But she went really awry. I don't even know how old this interview is. Doesn't seem like it's too old. But here she's talking about aipac. And I know I sound like a broken record on this one, because I might remain that it's being funded by the military industrial complex through the American Israeli Education Foundation. That's where you see Raytheon and Boeing and all that big money going in. But she pulled out a couple of really interesting lies or untruths or just mistakes that she absolutely presents as fact and has it fact checked in real time with Wikipedia.

Adam Curry (69:07)

Israel is actually exception they are the only country that's allowed to lobby Americans like everyone else has to register as, you know, a foreign agent under fara.

John C. Dvorak (69:18)

Like with or whatever.

Adam Curry (69:19)

Yeah. So aipac.

John C. Dvorak (69:20)

The backstory, by the way, before JFK.

Adam Curry (69:23)

Got shot, he was fighting aipac. They were previously called. I'm blanking on this. It was. You can look it up. And he was literally saying you have to register under the Foreign Act. Is that true? 1,000%. Sure. And you should look it up.

John C. Dvorak (69:34)

We should 1,000%. So she said says foreign act, but what she's talking about is the Foreign Agent Registration act, which Manafort, Manafort. Manafort, Trump's guy went to jail for because he wasn't registered as a foreign lobby. So if you are being paid by a foreign government, you have to. It's not a big deal. You just register and then you can give money to campaigns, etc. But then it has to be clear it's coming from Israel. So she's a thousand percent sure that this is the only group of its kind that doesn't have to register for some mysterious reason. Fact check that live. He was fighting with what is today known as AIPAC.

Adam Curry (70:15)

Ah. As was renamed AZCPA. I don't know what that stood for. In 1959, AZCPA was renamed the A, was renamed APAC, and American Israel Public Affairs Committee, reflecting a broader membership and mission. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (70:28)

So JFK told them that they had.

Adam Curry (70:30)

To register under fara. And so American Zionist Council.

John C. Dvorak (70:35)

That's exactly what it was called in 1962.

Adam Curry (70:38)

President. Look at the last paragraph. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby, as a US Attorney General, forced the AZC to register as a foreign agent. In doing so, they were barred from making monetary contributions to U.S. officials. Who was barred? AZC.

John C. Dvorak (70:52)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (70:52)

So AIPAC, for lack of a better.

John C. Dvorak (70:54)

Term, they were called AZC back then.

Adam Curry (70:56)

But continued to send out newsletters and hold events with. With a nonprofit tax exemption. And then what happened was he was shot.

John C. Dvorak (71:04)

Okay, so let's just understand what Candace is saying. She's saying because John F. Kennedy wanted the A, the American Zionist Council to register under Farah, they killed him.

Adam Curry (71:19)

So they are the only. The reason why I'm bringing this up is not to further consider the only country.

John C. Dvorak (71:24)

They're the only country that's allowed to.

Adam Curry (71:26)

To lobby Americans that do not are not registered under the FAR act. But for whatever reason, Israel is an exception to this. And the reason is because JFK got shot. Otherwise they would have been under this. So that is the Reason that they're allowed to do this.

John C. Dvorak (71:38)

John, does that sound true to you?

Adam Curry (71:41)

Well, I'm not sure why you're playing this. Didn't you do this exact same presentation on your podcast with Jimmy?

John C. Dvorak (71:48)

I'm playing a piece of it. I'm not doing the full thing. I just want to do the Candace Owens bit.

Adam Curry (71:52)

It.

John C. Dvorak (71:52)

Because this isn't. I mean, don't you ever talk about stuff you talked about on the Horowitz?

Adam Curry (71:58)

No.

John C. Dvorak (71:59)

Yes, you do. I ask you all the time.

Adam Curry (72:01)

No, only because you ask me. I refuse to bring it into the show voluntarily.

John C. Dvorak (72:06)

But this is.

Adam Curry (72:06)

But I just not condemning you for that. But I don't understand. I mean, we know Candace is nuts, and I. I don't. I'm not sure what. What the point of this is. I mean, I understand what you're saying, and it is idiotic. But. But I didn't get it much. I didn't get much out of it when you did it with Jimmy. I'm not sure what your point is. My point, But Candace is nuts and she's crazy, and I think we've gotten that part.

John C. Dvorak (72:37)

This is an interesting question. If you don't see the continuous. It's the Jews thing. Continuous that all of this is the Jews. You didn't hear what Kokinda just said. She just said in Maga, it's Israel, it's the Jews.

Adam Curry (72:53)

Yeah, but I think that she made that point and we've made the point before, so I'm not sure why we're making it again.

John C. Dvorak (73:00)

I'm fine. I'm fine. You continue whatever you want to do. People can go listen to my podcast with Jimmy. Go ahead.

Adam Curry (73:07)

It was just more complete.

John C. Dvorak (73:09)

I was only making one point about aipac. That's all I wanted to do. It's fine.

Adam Curry (73:14)

Yeah, but you've made that point before. You said so at the beginning, right? At the beginning point. I'm beating it to death.

John C. Dvorak (73:19)

I've never made this point, which is that. That they are not the only country that has this kind of lobbying organization. That was the only point I wanted to make, and I was almost there. But it's okay.

Adam Curry (73:35)

Well, you don't have to get huffy about it. It's just that I've heard this already.

John C. Dvorak (73:40)

You have not heard this on this show. You have not heard this on this show.

Adam Curry (73:47)

Well, I didn't know you were going to start recycling stuff that you do on Pastor Jimmy's show.

John C. Dvorak (73:52)

Okay, fine, John. Whatever. I'm fine. People can go listen to that. I was just trying to Bring in something that I thought was relevant. But I'm sorry you're so bored after I listened to you cut up a whole 16 minute piece into six clips, then anyone could just go watch.

Adam Curry (74:12)

Well, then what's the difference in that and what you're doing here?

John C. Dvorak (74:15)

Nothing. But I didn't say anything about you.

Adam Curry (74:20)

Yeah, you did.

John C. Dvorak (74:21)

I just let it roll.

Adam Curry (74:23)

No, at the very end, you made the point. You said specifically, just to be honest about it, you said, we're not playing any more clips from these people, as though the clip that we play were bad.

John C. Dvorak (74:32)

It's obvious that you are working for Israel and. And you don't want me to expose what's going on.

Adam Curry (74:39)

I'm not working for Israel.

John C. Dvorak (74:40)

There's that.

Adam Curry (74:42)

I'm working for the Nexus. I'm working for United Kingdom.

John C. Dvorak (74:44)

You are my handler. Everyone knows it.

Adam Curry (74:47)

Now, by the way, somebody needs to be doing it.

John C. Dvorak (74:51)

I'm surprised you didn't bring in the clip where they talked about my Uncle Don.

Adam Curry (74:58)

What?

John C. Dvorak (74:58)

Yeah. Oh, you missed that one.

Adam Curry (75:02)

What did they. What? Who.

John C. Dvorak (75:03)

Who is this Kokinda?

Adam Curry (75:07)

I don't. I didn't bring. I didn't hear that.

John C. Dvorak (75:09)

Oh, yeah, or wasn't in that one episode.

Adam Curry (75:12)

Oh, I don't listen to her.

John C. Dvorak (75:14)

Oh, okay. Anyway, move on. What did they say?

Adam Curry (75:16)

What did they say about your Uncle Don?

John C. Dvorak (75:18)

Move on to a different topic.

Adam Curry (75:19)

No, wait a minute now. I need to know.

John C. Dvorak (75:21)

No, I didn't bring the clip because I didn't want to bore you about my Uncle Don.

Adam Curry (75:24)

You can just tell me what it was.

John C. Dvorak (75:26)

It was. It's too complicated. You have to listen to it.

Adam Curry (75:36)

You can't summarize.

John C. Dvorak (75:40)

It. It goes back to Epstein and Epstein. So the original money laundering for guns was run out of Vice then Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush's office, which was overseen by Uncle Don. That's what we know as Iran Contra. Now, he was. He was never. He was accused of doing things, but they never were able to prove it. And there were Senate hearings, etc. But what happened is there was a continuation of that exact same network, which was then picked up by Epstein's group. And in both cases, there was all kinds of sexual blackmail going on.

Adam Curry (76:32)

Hmm.

John C. Dvorak (76:35)

And I think.

Adam Curry (76:35)

What do you think?

John C. Dvorak (76:37)

Well, if you look at the Washington. I think it's the Washington Post of the Washington Times. There's a front page article about the. The call boys being given tours in the middle of the night of the White House. And it says right there, uncle Don. It doesn't say Uncle Don. It says Don Greg. Was the one that organized it. And I think the continuation of that was Barney Frank with his call boy service being run out of his house. But unfortunately.

Susan Kokinda (77:08)

Huh.

Adam Curry (77:09)

And. And what? And does the link to Epstein.

John C. Dvorak (77:12)

Yes. Well, not. Not Barney Frank per se, but that there has been this continuous blackmailing operation. But it's CIA itself. It's not Mossad. It's CIA. They do it. They spied on the Senate and they got away with it.

Adam Curry (77:32)

Yes, they did. In fact, Feinstein pulled them out on it and nothing came of it.

John C. Dvorak (77:40)

So.

Adam Curry (77:40)

Well, that's. Okay. Now see, that's interesting.

John C. Dvorak (77:46)

I don't care what you think is interesting. You're rude.

Adam Curry (77:50)

I am not rude.

John C. Dvorak (77:51)

You say, why are you recycling stuff?

Adam Curry (77:54)

Well, yeah, you're recycling stuff.

Susan Kokinda (77:56)

I'm not.

John C. Dvorak (77:57)

I'm not. It's like I used.

Adam Curry (78:00)

Like you used to. Used to honk a horn when I accidentally played a clip twice.

John C. Dvorak (78:05)

That's different.

Adam Curry (78:06)

You don't think that's rude?

John C. Dvorak (78:08)

No, that's justified.

Adam Curry (78:11)

Okay, I get it. All right. What do you want to do?

John C. Dvorak (78:13)

I don't know. You're. You're. I. You completely.

Adam Curry (78:17)

So we had a. We had a discussion the last show about Alberta. Alberta is doing the vote. It's something we need to talk about. According to this guy who's one of the politicians up there. I have Alberta one, which should listen to this and then we can go on.

John C. Dvorak (78:38)

One of the most significant factors that makes the prospect of Alberta actually becoming independent after the referendum on independence that Alberta will be holding in October 2026 is our proximity and relationship to the United States of America, the largest economy in the world. There's a number of ways in which a country comes into existence. Countries have come into existence, ebbed and flowed throughout the history of man. This is not a novel concept. Countries don't necessarily and their boundaries remain static. In all of our lifetimes, we've witnessed countries form and countries disappear. So one of the ways in which Alberta can become an independent country, according to the Supreme Court of Canada in the 1998 reference case. Because remember, the Supreme Court of Canada laid out a constitutional pathway for a province like Alberta to hold a province wide referendum on a clear question. And if a clear majority say yes, we want to become an independent country and a new nation state, then that sets a legal process in motion. One way to finalize that process and complete the process of becoming to nationhood is to have negotiations between Alberta, the other provinces, first nations and the federal government on the details of the divorce, so to speak. There's no certainty that those, those negotiations will be successful. The Supreme Court of Canada recognized this in paragraph 155 of their decision. And 154, they talk about the concept of unilateral recognition by other nation states. And Canada has set a very important precedent supportive of Alberta going that route of being recognized by other countries as an independent country through Mark Carney's unilateral announcement last September, in September of 2025, where the he had the government of Canada unilaterally recognize the state of Palestine despite not having borders. Well, that's an interesting parallel. The state of Palestine and the free state of Alberta.

Adam Curry (80:54)

This is not getting any coverage at all. And I didn't think much about it. Some one of our producers, because we mentioned it and I think, think, no.

John C. Dvorak (81:03)

This is, this is how it went. The producer went, why aren't they talking about this? And then I was. And then I realized there's no coverage of it. Yes, that's exactly right.

Adam Curry (81:15)

We mentioned it in a mocking tone in the last show and as though, yeah, whatever. Just Canadians complaining. This is common. This is what Canadians do. They complain, they, they moan. But then when I listen to this guy's presentation, I didn't realize it was on the ballot in this way. And it has precedent and it could happen. If this happens, the next thing to go is going to be, is going to be the Montreal Quebecers. They're going to go because they've been wanting to go for years.

John C. Dvorak (81:47)

Well, is this not a direct attack on the North Sea nexus as well? And could we not be helping them with this?

Adam Curry (81:55)

Well, clip two maybe gives us a little insight into that.

John C. Dvorak (81:59)

So one of the things that could well happen after the referendum is the United States will recognize Alberta as an independent country. There have been ongoing meetings between the Alberta Prosperity Project representatives and the State Department in the US and as recently as a few weeks ago, where they continue to dialogue on the situation in Alberta. And it's clear that the US Government is prepared to recognize Alberta independence and if it occurs in a democratic referendum vote. And so this is really significant because it's Alberta's largest trading partner. They're our closest geographic trading partner. Kearney government cleared the way for this and legitimized it through the Kearney government's actions of recognizing Palestine. What I expect is going to happen is I think we're going to win this vote in October and I think we're going to win it handily. We will be freed from the constraints. You know what's so remarkable is we have the third largest reserve of oil in the world. We have all these other resources and we have a federal government that has deliberately passed laws and policies to keep our oil and gas in the ground, holding back prosperity, depriving our children and grandchildren of a prosperous and happy future, increasing the cost of living. It's just spectacular. On December 5th, the US government released its National Security Strategy. And if you go through and read that 39 page document, you will see how uncomfortable the US administration is about these really weird steps. That troubling actions of the Carney liberals in seeking to align themselves in Canada with China rather than embrace and try and develop and enhance our relationship with the largest economy, our largest customer and the most powerful military country in the world. How our Prime Minister has come out and said on a number of occasions that our relationship with the United States has come to an end that is just spectacularly reckless. So there's of course a lot of skepticism about this actually happening, but it's not like this hasn't happened in the past. Things like this happen. People are so set in their belief of how the world fits together that they can't even imagine that this type of change would take place. I think it's absolutely possible.

Adam Curry (84:43)

I think it's absolutely possible too. But I can also see the other side of it where you say, nah, this is not going to happen. I was the one, I was mocking it because it's silly. I mean, you know, things are the way they are and who, you know, they can't. The Quebecers can't even get out of the country, let alone these guys. But these guys have money. This is. The Quebec would go broke, they think, if they had split off. But if these guys split off, Quebecers will split off and then, and then the next to go would be BC there's no reason for British Columbia to be part of Canada.

John C. Dvorak (85:15)

We could have states 51, 52 and 53, maybe even 54, I think 51.

Adam Curry (85:22)

And 52 for sure. I don't know about the Quebecers, everybody.

John C. Dvorak (85:26)

What has to happen on our end? What has to happen in the U.S. what is the process for that? If Alberta says, yeah, you know, we want to join you guys, what is the process? Do we have to go through some kind of vote?

Adam Curry (85:40)

We have no idea, I think.

John C. Dvorak (85:42)

Do we have to have a test.

Adam Curry (85:43)

To make sure they are constitutional lawyers, the only guy that can answer that question.

John C. Dvorak (85:47)

They have to be able to say about, about. If you say a boot, then it's not going to happen. You got to change you're oot. You're oot.

Adam Curry (85:55)

If you say a boot.

John C. Dvorak (86:00)

By me.

Adam Curry (86:00)

Well, we don't want. See, I have mixed feelings about 51 and 52, because, again, Canadians, you know the difference between Canada and the United States. When it came to separating from the British Empire, we had a. We came to blows. We brought guns to the party. The Canadians, to get away from the Brits, even though they're still part of the Commonwealth, they just complained a lot until they got sick of it. People got sick of listening to them bitch and moan. The Canadians complain, complain, complain, and they do such a good job of it, it's hard for Americans to put up with it. But I don't know. The Canadians who become Americans seem to adapt to less complaining. Maybe they complain for a good reason. It's something that could go away. I'm not sure. Sure. But I. I have mixed feelings about 51 and 52.

John C. Dvorak (86:49)

Can't we just do one of those horizontal fracking jobs, you know, under the border?

Adam Curry (86:57)

I think it's gonna be too. A little too far, but we would definitely. The pipelines would be going up. The Albertans, if they just stayed as an independent country, would be one of the richest in the world. There'd be at least as rich as Kuwait.

John C. Dvorak (87:11)

That'd be like Saudi Arabia, the new Qatar.

Adam Curry (87:14)

It'd be like Qatar.

John C. Dvorak (87:15)

And they would be loaded. Yeah.

Adam Curry (87:17)

It would also drain the coffee. It would break Canada.

John C. Dvorak (87:21)

They could all wear dresses and headgear and call themselves sheikhs.

Adam Curry (87:27)

They could.

John C. Dvorak (87:27)

Hello, I'm the Sheikh of Alberta now. I was talking to the oil baron. He says if Trump doesn't do something soon with oil, the prices are going to skyrocket.

Adam Curry (87:41)

What's he supposed to do?

John C. Dvorak (87:43)

Well, and how.

Adam Curry (87:46)

And what does he mean in shortly?

John C. Dvorak (87:47)

Is that 18 months. 18 months.

Adam Curry (87:50)

The reason why that would go right past this election. So if Alberta went. Went independent and they just latched on to us, we'd suck. Suck all that away. Yeah, we'd. That would take care of the problem.

John C. Dvorak (88:02)

So the problem he has, he says for the first time in history, shale. The shale drilling has gone negative. He says it's just not producing what it used to produce. There's wells on top of wells on top of wells, and we're not getting it anymore. The shale.

Adam Curry (88:23)

Doesn't that have to do with the price? Doesn't shale oil have to. It's not profitable unless the oil price is 70 or so. And right now it's in the high 50s.

John C. Dvorak (88:33)

He says they're not. Well, he says. Says under 50, not profitable.

Adam Curry (88:38)

Yeah, it's always been that way, though.

John C. Dvorak (88:39)

Yes, but they're actually not. You know, the President keeps saying, ah, we got all this oil. We don't. That's the problem. The oil isn't there anymore. This is what he's. He's been. I've mentioned this on the show several times. He keeps saying it. It's diminishing. And if Trump doesn't. If Trump keeps stopping the Venezuela oil, then the price will skyrocket. He. I should see where he said this.

Adam Curry (89:03)

Well, is he stopping the oil? He's grabbing the oil, isn't he? Stealing the oil.

John C. Dvorak (89:07)

But oil is a global thing. Once you grab the ship, then you got one shipload of oil. But then that oil. There's no more oil on that ship. Let me see. I'm gonna bring it up for you. He told me this. Boy, here we go. Go. US Blockade on Venezuela forcing South American country to start shutting wells. So Venezuela is now just shutting. The Orinoco belt is reducing production by 25%. 500 million barrels per day. Here's what he said. He said here. He gave this depletion in the Permian is happening Now. Chevron has been reporting for some time in the Delaware basins. Acreage production numbers coming below internal forecasts as long as Saudi Arabia floods the markets. And if Venezuela or Russia comes back online to world markets, it will sink more oil companies. So he's talking on his own behalf to a degree, but he's saying they could go back to 1986. Was there a big spike in oil in 1986?

Adam Curry (90:23)

I don't know. I had to look at the charts.

John C. Dvorak (90:25)

Yeah, well, he's an actual Landman drilling. And he says that what Trump is doing is fun. He said, but they got to figure it out because that oil needs to flow. If you just keep grabbing the ships, then there's less oil flowing. And it's a global thing. It's not just what we're taking.

Susan Kokinda (90:44)

Taking.

John C. Dvorak (90:44)

The ships aren't moving and the production is being shut down.

Adam Curry (90:52)

And so his proposal is. He says we should just stop harassing Venezuela.

John C. Dvorak (90:57)

No, no, he says figure it. He said, figure it out. I said, well, how about Russia? Maybe if we, if we're, if we get the Russia thing fixed, wouldn't. Is. I mean, it's different oil, I presume the Russian oil and the Venezuelan oil, Does that make a difference? The two types?

Adam Curry (91:11)

I think the Russian rail is better quality.

John C. Dvorak (91:13)

Yeah, but his point is something has to happen, otherwise we're really completely under control.

Adam Curry (91:20)

Well, Maybe that's what you were trying to do with ending this stupid war with Ukraine.

John C. Dvorak (91:24)

That would be a good one. I actually have a clip about the Venezuela situation. My first question to you is, given you're a member of the House Intelligence Committee, part of whose responsibility is overseeing the CIA, have you been given any more insight into. Into this attack? None whatsoever. We haven't been given any insight to anything they're doing in the Pacific or the Caribbean on the shooting at the end and bombing these boats and then whatever happened with the rescue. We've had no reports from the CIA on these activities. They say they have. They've had nothing to do with it, and it's not been their mission. I've been down just about two weeks ago to keep Key west into Miami to the South Command, Southern Command, and they said that it was not their issues either, that the Southern Spear was a wholly, totally different group. I want to ask if you suspect, given that you support action that would stop the Trump administration from launching strikes against Venezuela without congressional approval, do you fear that this was deliberately a CIA operation to avoid any legal obligation to inform Congress or seek approval from Congress? I suspect it was. It was kind of strange. You know, normally we don't refer to and make public notice of CIA activities. Those are all covert. And this was the first openly open announcement of the CIA doing something in another country where they got present and asset right at being discovered by news media or foreign government. Who is that guy Cohen? Is he a Republican?

Adam Curry (93:01)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (93:03)

He has a second part to this now, to that point. It's interesting because earlier this month, President Trump was asked if he would seek authorization from Congress for any land attacks in Venezuela. And here's how he answered. I want to get your reaction.

Adam Curry (93:19)

I wouldn't mind telling him, but, you know, it's not a big deal. I don't have to tell him it's been proven, but it wouldn't. I wouldn't mind at all. I just hope they wouldn't leak it.

John C. Dvorak (93:29)

You know, people leak it.

Adam Curry (93:31)

They are politicians and they leak like a sieve.

John C. Dvorak (93:35)

So as it turns out, the sieve in this case was the President himself. By leaking this, did he put any US Operations, the CIA operatives, et cetera, or sources and methods in danger at risk? Well, he could have, but he certainly puts the United States reputation at risk. We're going to be looked at like we were 100 years ago or whatever, as the Yankee imperialism and where the Latin American countries despise the United States. And I know that you obviously Colombia and Ecuador and unless. And even I don't know if the Nicaraguan people care at all about Honduran people where we just pardon their presence. President who they want to have arrested and, and try for other offenses. He's a crook. I was down in Honduras is maybe five, six years ago. We met with him and he seemed. He was. Why, why did he meet with him? To discuss the drug money too slick. And I thought the guy's program was, was not, not, not from the soul.

Adam Curry (94:37)

And it wasn't accurate and it was.

John C. Dvorak (94:38)

Just a scam and that's what it was. Well, Congressman Cohen, we appreciate you joining us tonight. Well, I don't think anyone really understands this problem. Alberta would be a great solution. That would be a good way to do it because I trust the oil baron. He says if something doesn't give.

Adam Curry (94:56)

Well, you know, I'm not going to argue with him. But yeah, Alberta would be the easiest way to take care of the problem.

John C. Dvorak (95:04)

Yeah. Because.

Adam Curry (95:04)

And they get a lot of money, we get the oil and boom, we're on our way.

John C. Dvorak (95:10)

I, I would recommend Troll Room. Y' all should get together and do your own podcast and call it the no Agenda Round Table. That would be a really good idea. They know. They know everything so well over there, John. They know it all. Oh, we know.

Adam Curry (95:23)

Well, what are they bitching about?

John C. Dvorak (95:24)

Just they. About everything. It's all they do. It's all they do.

Adam Curry (95:33)

Alberta would take care of the problem and it probably for 100 years. This is the third largest reserve. A lot of it is in shale. That's a problem.

John C. Dvorak (95:45)

Well, but the president is right. A lot of that was ours. We had the deals. He nationalized it, basically stole it. That's the deal we need to get back on the table. But that's been going on for 10 years.

Adam Curry (96:00)

And Carney, we have to always remember that guy. If anybody's a member of the British monarchy, it's him. Nexus.

John C. Dvorak (96:08)

He's.

Adam Curry (96:08)

He was a head of the bank of England. He's not even Canadian and he's running Canada. Are you kidding me?

John C. Dvorak (96:15)

Yeah, well, that's.

Adam Curry (96:17)

Which I think will help Trigger. I think they're going to.

John C. Dvorak (96:20)

Okay, I think they're going to pass Trigger an election.

Adam Curry (96:23)

I think the election is going to. Unless something changes between now and October, Alberta is going to pass the vote and become an independent country. Country. And what now how is that right in the middle of Canada, by the way? It. The. All the traffic, the. All the train traffic goes right through Alberta to get to B.C. what are you going to do about that?

John C. Dvorak (96:47)

Passport? Passport. Passport control. They should do armbands. That'd be cool.

Adam Curry (96:57)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (96:57)

They need a flag. They need their own army.

Adam Curry (97:00)

Yeah. People from Vancouver that can have an armband that has V on it. It'd be cool looking.

John C. Dvorak (97:07)

So the other big story which unfolded thanks to what is now deemed a MAGA influencer, was or is the child care in Minnesota, which has now gone all the way up to the top. You'd almost think, you'd almost think since the media couldn't cover it, that this was a setup with this kid, this. What's his name? Nick.

Adam Curry (97:30)

No, Nick Shirley.

John C. Dvorak (97:31)

Nick Shirley. Well, it's possible there was a setup up.

Adam Curry (97:35)

Can I play a clip before you play these?

John C. Dvorak (97:37)

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Adam Curry (97:38)

Because you say the media didn't cover. Yes, in fact, the media did cover. It was a news story. It was a big news story. No, I 20.

John C. Dvorak (97:46)

I didn't say they didn't cover it. Oh, in 20 when? 2013.

Adam Curry (97:51)

20. Well, actually, they started off in 2013 and then there was a news report which is the one I'm playing from 2015. This is on Fox up there in Minneapolis. They played the story.

Susan Kokinda (98:01)

Story.

Adam Curry (98:02)

It's exactly the same story that we're now hearing. You know, since it started in 2013, 12 years later, nothing has changed. But listen to this report.

John C. Dvorak (98:15)

How significant is this problem?

Adam Curry (98:17)

Massive.

John C. Dvorak (98:18)

Steve Halicki spent 15 years as a welfare fraud investigator for Hennepin County. He came to us to grind an axe.

Adam Curry (98:27)

They don't want a fraud unit to do anything. They want a fraud unit.

John C. Dvorak (98:31)

On paper, Halicki was fired in 2013 while in the midst of a big investigation. The county claims he was an insubordinate bully whose tactics were hampering efforts to catch welfare cheats.

Adam Curry (98:43)

They don't want to point fingers at various organizations and people. This is nothing but a giant cover up.

John C. Dvorak (98:49)

You're driving down the street.

Adam Curry (98:50)

You have no idea.

John C. Dvorak (98:51)

Halicki contacted the Fox News investigators after seeing our series of reports on DCO daycare centers. We uncovered evidence the company was collecting millions in public subsidies for providing bogus child care services to low income families.

Adam Curry (99:06)

In essence, this scheme was really involved creating a criminal enterprise.

John C. Dvorak (99:12)

In December, Ramsey county charged Deeco's owner with fraud.

Adam Curry (99:16)

The daycares that I'm going to be.

John C. Dvorak (99:17)

Showing you from this point on all bill, over $100,000 a month. Palicki says before he was fired, he was tracking a similar scheme in Hennepin county involving multiple child care centers. He offered to take us On a driving tour to show what he'd uncovered. What does this one say on the door? 7am to 6pm There are no lights on. This building is housing its third daycare center in as many years. They just put it, got a new license. The two previous daycare had their public subsidies stopped by the county because of billing irregularities. Hour after hour. I would sit here and document nothing. Alicki discovered one center was charging the county for kids who were never dropped off. Oh, I see the problem. This report is not sensational. It's not. This is. This is. This is why it never got anywhere. People just hear what? Huh? What from?

Adam Curry (100:11)

I don't know. I don't know if this is any less sensational than Nick who roams around very low key.

John C. Dvorak (100:18)

No. Do they have. Are they knocking on doors in this report like where's the kids?

Adam Curry (100:24)

They get pretty close to it.

John C. Dvorak (100:26)

No, it's not. This is not the same where's the kids? Is better walking around.

Adam Curry (100:30)

Well, I'm not going to say where's the kids? Not better is great, but it's like this is a decade ago.

John C. Dvorak (100:38)

Yeah. Yes. It's awesome.

Adam Curry (100:44)

It's like this is like, it's like, it's like part of the system. This has got, you know, this was. There's a black guy, was an analyst, I can't think of his name. Mimi knows him, she follows him, who tracks it all back to Obama, who brought the Somalians in in the first place. And the Somalians, the way he sees it, they're just patsies for the real crooks, which are the white politicians in Minnesota. Including walls. Yeah, and everybody in between. And these stupid Somalians, you know, the bulbhead people, they. They don't know what the hell's going on, but they go along with the program because they're told to.

John C. Dvorak (101:21)

Well, we must remember that they were admitted into the country under temporary protective status. Temporary protective status. So yeah, they were abused. And it's the same with the Haitians. And the Haitians were bussed immediately up to work in the factory where they.

Adam Curry (101:37)

Were feeding the dogs.

John C. Dvorak (101:39)

Feeding the dogs.

Adam Curry (101:39)

I have emails, I have documents, I have everything to prove they knew. And they look the other way.

John C. Dvorak (101:45)

Here's an email he sent to the supervisor of the fraud unit. The goal was to stop. Did you call them bulb heads? What did you call them?

Adam Curry (101:54)

Boy, that took a while. 10 beats, maybe 20.

John C. Dvorak (101:57)

Was it bulbheads? I want to make sure, because that's a great show title. I just want to make sure I got bulb heads.

Adam Curry (102:02)

Yes, bulb heads.

John C. Dvorak (102:03)

The Gold was to stop the bleeding as quickly as possible and protect taxpayer money from going out the door. Now you want to stop the process. I know you are motivated and rightly concerned. She responds. Let's get a plan together to tackle these centers. I don't think we would ever intentionally try to deceive the public. County officials say they take all cases of alleged daycare fraud seriously. He says they don't want to put point fingers at various organizations and people. This is nothing but a giant cover up. Yeah, no, I hear the report. I hear it, but it's not. I mean, you need Coney 2012 type stuff, man. Which, by the way, was one year before this report and that one got steam. And where was it? YouTube. This just shows you the irrelevance of the mainstream media. Even though they set the tone, everybody responds to it. Post clip of it. But when you get this new, new form of media, it just, it has this ability to take off and it's great. It's so different.

Adam Curry (103:09)

Well, I don't see the difference being that substantial. But I'm not gonna disagree with the fact that these, that this got, obviously got no traction because these, this, these clip, the clip I'm playing, which we don't have to play the last one, it's just pretty much reiteration. But the, the, this clip is from a decade ago. Nothing's changed. And the only thing that's changed is Nick Shirley goes around, you know, the kid goes around in his very low key style, knocking on doors like you said, with his buddies is, you know, this is the zoomer boom. The zoomer boomer combo, which is the perfect combo.

John C. Dvorak (103:46)

Perfect. Unstoppable.

Adam Curry (103:48)

Unstoppable, yes.

John C. Dvorak (103:49)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (103:50)

Zoomers out there. This, you know, we got you here, you got two boomers here that you should be latching on. Use up us because nobody else did.

John C. Dvorak (103:59)

Take us on the road.

Adam Curry (104:00)

We'll knock on the doors to knock on.

John C. Dvorak (104:05)

All right, here's. I got a couple of clips here.

Adam Curry (104:07)

Our president decided he doesn't like the.

John C. Dvorak (104:09)

Somali community and he wants to destroy them.

Adam Curry (104:12)

Child care workers and advocates in Minnesota.

John C. Dvorak (104:15)

Firing back against the Trump administration after.

Adam Curry (104:18)

The Department of Health and Human Services.

John C. Dvorak (104:19)

Said it would freeze federal funds funding.

Adam Curry (104:22)

For child care in response to allegations that daycare operators there have been misappropriating those funds for a decade. That announcement, what do you guys think about the fraud that's taking place here in Minnesota following this viral video shot by MAGA influencer Nick Shirley?

John C. Dvorak (104:38)

Maga. Maga. Mag. Oh, yeah. I told you this Is the term MAGA influencer.

Adam Curry (104:43)

They're not a MAGA influencer, but that's, they're pushing back.

John C. Dvorak (104:47)

The system is pushing back on this. That's the point.

Adam Curry (104:51)

Where did you get this report?

John C. Dvorak (104:52)

This is cbs. Cbs?

Adam Curry (104:55)

Oh, cbs, the new CBS is going to be honest with us.

John C. Dvorak (104:59)

Yep.

Adam Curry (104:59)

In it, he alleges that about a dozen daycares receiving funding are not actually providing services. But according to a separate analysis by cbs, only two of those child care facilities mentioned were shown to be without an active license.

John C. Dvorak (105:15)

And then they show some video, like cctv, like a ring door cam video, and they put a date on it. Well, this was just yesterday.

Adam Curry (105:23)

It also. This is the new CBS that's giving us the straight scoop now, huh?

John C. Dvorak (105:27)

Well, to be honest, it's not the, it's not our boy. This is a, you know, this is, this is, it's not the evening news.

Adam Curry (105:34)

It also revealed violations around safety and cleanliness, but not for all. And this security footage shows children being.

John C. Dvorak (105:41)

Dropped off by their parents at ABC Learning. One of the facilities targeted by Shirley.

Adam Curry (105:49)

The owner believes for political reasons. What did I do?

Susan Kokinda (105:52)

I'm just a typical human being who.

Adam Curry (105:55)

Wants to live and do the right thing. I have kids to feed on X.

John C. Dvorak (105:59)

It's hard to hear, but the consistent message is, what am I to do? I have kids to feed.

Susan Kokinda (106:05)

Feed.

John C. Dvorak (106:06)

You mean your kids or, you know, they're answering. The bulbheads are answering in the wrong way.

Adam Curry (106:14)

I'm just a typical human being who wants to live and do the right thing. I have kids to feed on X. Democratic Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz acknowledged issues of fraud within the child care system, saying he spent years cracking down on fraudsters and accused accuses Trump of politicizing the issue to defund programs that help Minnesotans. Intrepid journalists have made shocking and credible allegations of.

John C. Dvorak (106:38)

HHS Deputy Secretary Jim o' Neill now.

Adam Curry (106:41)

Says he's requiring justification before federal payments are made and demanding that Governor Waltz conduct an audit of the daycares in question. He's also launched a fraud reporting hotline.

John C. Dvorak (106:53)

Okay, so the fund.

Adam Curry (106:55)

Wait, before you go, go any further, that comment about Trump, you know, taking advantage of the situation, I don't have the clip, but Matt Taibbi and Walter Kern were doing a podcast or something or they were doing a hit, probably a hit on CNBC or not cnbc, but MSNBC and Taibbi says he had looked into this fraud stuff two years ago and more recently had taken it directly to the Trump. Trump attorney general's office with this, you know, saying look at this. This is a good one. You should do something about it is according to Taibbi. And they said, yeah, whatever, they didn't do anything. So. So the I. And so Taibbi's pushing back on the fact that they think Trump is exploiting it because when given the opportunity to actually exploit it, they. They rebuked it.

John C. Dvorak (107:48)

Yeah, but, but this is the. What was it Lar Logan said? The. The Office of the Inspector General's Counsel, Starfleet Command, that they determine what gets investigated. So it's the inspectors general that may be the issue, and I'm not sure who is in charge of this, but once it's out, once it's out on YouTube and once it catches fire and it's on X and everything, then it catches the President's eye. I don't think it was ever brought to him. So, yeah, of course they're pushing back and saying it's political because they know that they're in trouble. And then this is the best. So they had a press conference with a whole bunch of people saying, Trump sucks. Save our children. And then they bring out one of these Somali workers at the. I don't know if she was from the leering center, but one of these daycares. And it's too bad we don't have a video in this case because her expression is priceless.

Adam Curry (108:52)

If childcare is cut, I'm unable to work or go to school.

Susan Kokinda (108:56)

I am understand fraud is bad.

John C. Dvorak (108:58)

What? So she says, if child care is cut, I'm unable to go to school. Now I understand fraud is bad. And then she puts. She clasps her. That's. She claps her hand in front of her mouth like, oops, what did I just say?

Adam Curry (109:14)

If child care is cut, I'm unable to work or go to school.

Susan Kokinda (109:19)

I understand fraud is bad, but.

John C. Dvorak (109:22)

But I need to go to school. Clap. Clap for her. Clap for her quick. Very good. Oh, you're so brave. And then we have a non Somali woman, some white woman, and she does exactly the same. And I do see some signs over.

Susan Kokinda (109:36)

Here that say, stop fraud. And I agree. Stop it.

John C. Dvorak (109:39)

There are wait lists for these programs that are years long. There is fraud. There is oops. They're all admitting there's fraud. It's coming right out of their pie holes. And then the best is this manager who says he's Somali American. He probably was born here, although seems unlikely because he looks like he's older than 10. And, oh, I wish you could investigate us for fraud. But unfortunately.

Adam Curry (110:13)

Unfortunately, we saw that there Was important documentation, enrollment of the children and also. Also employee documentation that was gone.

John C. Dvorak (110:22)

It's gone. It was broken into. It was stolen. All the evidence is gone.

Adam Curry (110:26)

There were also checkbooks that were ripped.

John C. Dvorak (110:30)

From our check papers that were from our book. Oh, the checkbooks are gone. We can't show any money going in or. Oh, this is horrible. Oh, no.

Adam Curry (110:39)

By the way, this. This for people don't know what. What Adam's playing. This is a clip of the guy who claims that his. His. His daycare was. Was busted into and they stole the employment records and the records of the kids for. No, it. This is like the. This is worse than a 10 year old and the dog ate my homework. It's so. It's so idiotic. Why would anyone. And of course, the investigators have gone in and they don't see anything missing. It's just like. Like it's the weakest thing. It's almost pathetic. It's almost pathetic to think that you can make this lie and people would believe it.

John C. Dvorak (111:24)

Well, that's what children do.

Adam Curry (111:28)

Now, of course, you play the rest of that clip. It's.

John C. Dvorak (111:32)

Oh, you want to hear the whole thing? Okay.

Adam Curry (111:33)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (111:34)

All right, hold on. I'll start it over.

Adam Curry (111:37)

Unfortunately, we saw that there was important documentation, enrollment of the children and also employee documentation that was gone. There were also checkbooks that were ripped from our check papers that were from our book.

John C. Dvorak (111:55)

This is devastating news and we don't.

Adam Curry (111:58)

Know why this is targeting our Somali.

John C. Dvorak (112:00)

Community as one video made by a.

Adam Curry (112:04)

Specific individual made this all happen. We've been responsible, receiving hateful messages through our voice notes threatening us the past couple of days.

John C. Dvorak (112:14)

Oh, no. Including one that happened yesterday morning when the break in.

Adam Curry (112:20)

After the break in. This is frightening and exhausting because this is happening to us Somali communities. As Somali Americans, we are supposed to.

John C. Dvorak (112:31)

Stand with each other and help each.

Adam Curry (112:32)

Other through everything that's happening. This is also sad that a video can cause all of this. I want to say that there are hundreds of daycares out there, Somali daycares that are out there, and we all help each our children and everyone in our community. We have high quality daycares. And this is very sad news that one individual who made a fall false claim about fraud that is happening in the daycares. How engaged everyone else to come and do this to us.

John C. Dvorak (113:06)

I mean, what I keep hearing as an undertone, and I don't blame them because you're right. I'm sure there's. There's people managing this stuff and hopefully that'll Come to light. You hear them all saying, well, but this is. This is what we do. This. This is our income. Like, stop. You can't take away our income by cutting off the money. We have daycares and no one shows up. And that's what we do.

Adam Curry (113:29)

It's our job.

John C. Dvorak (113:30)

It's almost as if they don't understand what's going on. And so now, of course, everybody's going to be. Going to be. What's the kid? I keep forgetting his name. Nick. Nick.

Adam Curry (113:41)

Nick Shirley.

John C. Dvorak (113:42)

Nick Shirley. Everyone's going to be a Nick Shirley. And they're all going now. Everyone's hooking up with boomers wherever they can. By the way, troll room. Go out and do some work.

Adam Curry (113:52)

Work.

John C. Dvorak (113:53)

We'll be your boomer to your zoomer. We will blow it wide open. Anything you find. No, I'm just going to sit here and complain.

Adam Curry (114:03)

They're from Canada.

John C. Dvorak (114:04)

Yeah, I wish. So we moved from Somalians to the Haitians. And this is Massachusetts. This is Nate Friedman, just another. Just another YouTuber asking questions. And he's got some interesting data with a guy he talked to who was a manager at a migrant hotel.

Adam Curry (114:30)

And, you know, the media wants to make it sound like most of the residents.

John C. Dvorak (114:35)

I'm sorry, let me start with this one.

Adam Curry (114:36)

My name is John Featherson. I'm a former migrant shelter director in Massachusetts. I helped out in a couple different sites. Everything is free. I cannot stress the word. Everything is free. Everybody has a nice car. Most of them have nice cars. But when they have a doctor's appointment in Boston or they have a immigration hearing in New Hampshire, you know, which is an hour and a half away. You think they use their own car? Nope. They say, oh, I need an Uber. I need, you know, I need a lift.

John C. Dvorak (115:03)

How much is given for rides for Uber and Lyft?

Adam Curry (115:06)

The amount of money that we would spend on Ubers and Lyft was, well, of an excess of $100,000 a month. A month? A month.

John C. Dvorak (115:13)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (115:14)

Now, as good as Lyft and Uber had it, Amazon had a 10 times more better.

John C. Dvorak (115:19)

And how's that? How did Amazon work into this?

Adam Curry (115:21)

Every day, I would order tens of thousands of dollars worth of product from Amazon every single day, seven days a week. I need one day I would do a huge diaper delivery. Next day I would do a formula delivery. The next day I would buy, you know, toothbrushes, hair dryers and combs and strollers. Anything that they needed, they got. As the hotel got overtaken by migrant families, there was not enough Capacity. And there were fights breaking out over washers and dryers. So the state contracted this company, company to come in five days a week and do everybody's laundry. You put your laundry out by 7 o', clock, it's back by 5 o', clock and it all comes back folded in the, in these nice bags. And it's free or the taxpayers of Massachusetts pay for it.

John C. Dvorak (116:05)

Now just imagine what a bonanza for everybody.

Adam Curry (116:08)

For Uber. Unbelievable.

John C. Dvorak (116:09)

For Uber and Lyft.

Adam Curry (116:10)

By the way, I'm going to give you a borderline clip of the day because that's not. Hasn't floated around as much as you would.

John C. Dvorak (116:16)

But wait, there's a kid kicker. There's a kicker to these Haitians.

Adam Curry (116:20)

And you know, the media wants to make it sound like most of the residents are escaping, you know, the horrors of Haiti, but they go, well, you know, I was in Chile for 10 years after the, you know, the earthquake in Haiti. And you're like, what, so you didn't leave Haiti like this year? No, I left 10 years ago and I went to Chile and then they made us work. So then we went to Brazil and we were content in Brazil. And then I'm like, well, why'd you come to America? Well, I came. We came to America because Joe Biden told us everything was free.

John C. Dvorak (116:50)

Ten years, hadn't been in Haiti, but I'm Haitian, I was living in Chile, hanging out there and decided to come, come to America, land of endless possibilities.

Adam Curry (117:02)

Because Joe Biden said everything is free.

John C. Dvorak (117:08)

By the way, we have our.

Adam Curry (117:09)

I believe that report to be true.

John C. Dvorak (117:11)

I believe it too. We have a discord, by the way, for all, all you zoomers, you. Gen Z. I can't, you know, I.

Adam Curry (117:18)

Go on it. Five seconds. I can't take it.

John C. Dvorak (117:20)

Oh, you already registered.

Susan Kokinda (117:22)

You're on.

Adam Curry (117:22)

Yeah, somebody got me on it early.

John C. Dvorak (117:25)

Well, this is Patrick Coble, is that correct?

Adam Curry (117:27)

Yes, Coble.

John C. Dvorak (117:28)

Yeah. Yeah, because I had to reset my password or something, I guess I signed up for a discord somewhere and I'm still waiting for the password reset, but it's no agenda. Discord.com? yeah, so. Well, we need this. This is where we're going to start the revolution. Evolution.

Adam Curry (117:43)

Yeah, the next Fediverse.

John C. Dvorak (117:47)

There's. There are already people in there. I just, I didn't know there were already people in there.

Adam Curry (117:51)

Yeah, I think it's pretty active, but it's like, you know, it's what it is. It's like, you know, I, it's beyond me why, why these things are attractive.

John C. Dvorak (118:04)

Well, because that's what people like to do. I'd like Lady Vox. Like, the trolls do a lot of good work. No, they don't. They're absolutely zero.

Adam Curry (118:11)

Zero. No, that's.

John C. Dvorak (118:14)

That's zero.

Adam Curry (118:15)

A percentage point. Once in a while. They give you a punchline about once in a while.

John C. Dvorak (118:20)

But, you know, I have to be looking at all of the Trump does. Nothing sucks. Israel. Yeshill. Hasbrah. Okay.

Adam Curry (118:30)

What?

John C. Dvorak (118:31)

Hasbrah. It's somehow. It's some Jewish slur. I haven't figured it out yet.

Adam Curry (118:38)

There's a Jewish slur they're throwing at you?

John C. Dvorak (118:40)

Let me see what it. What is Hasbro?

Adam Curry (118:44)

There's a toy company.

John C. Dvorak (118:45)

No, the Hasbro. Hasbro. Oh, here. Hasbro. The public diplomacy of Israel, or Hasbara, includes mass communication and individual interaction with foreign nationals through social media and traditional media. Well, there we go. That's it.

Adam Curry (119:04)

They're saying. Calling you a shill.

John C. Dvorak (119:05)

Yes, exactly. Well, YouTube, too. It's just.

Adam Curry (119:09)

No, I don't do anything. They're not calling me a shill.

John C. Dvorak (119:11)

Oh, no, you are.

Adam Curry (119:12)

I have not seen any evidence of them calling me a shill.

John C. Dvorak (119:15)

We all. We all know that you're the shill. You're the handler, man. You're the Hasbro handler. Ooh, alliteration. I love it. Hasbra handler. Let's. Let's see. What do we have going on here? Oh, I just want to get back to AI for a second. It's hilarious. You know how we know that AI will never be able to do a podcast? Because, well, maybe by itself, I guess. Or that. That stupid notebook. LLM. Let's dive in. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Adam Curry (119:47)

But you can't diving.

John C. Dvorak (119:49)

But you can't have a conversation with a chat bot like we, like you and I have on a podcast.

Adam Curry (119:54)

Right?

John C. Dvorak (119:55)

As is evidenced by this young woman who had, I think, a pretty good idea.

Adam Curry (119:59)

Is this AI we're going to hear?

John C. Dvorak (120:01)

Well, it's a woman and AI AI, a young girl. Young woman. And she's doing. You know, it's very fashionable if you're going to audition for a movie when.

Adam Curry (120:10)

You do this, do you have to cut it up a lot? Because there's a big leg. Because you try talking to the robot and you've given up on it because it takes forever for the robot to respond.

John C. Dvorak (120:18)

So whatever robot she's using, it was a good idea. She is doing an audition tape. And it's very normal these days. That really started with COVID but even before COVID you want to audition for this part, they'll send you the sides, which is jargon for the script. And then you have somebody, you know, just put a camera on you, and someone reads off camera and the other lines, and you read your lines. And that's how auditions are done. That's very normal these days. So she had a good idea. She put the sides into her robot and said, okay, read with me. So the idea is the robot reads the line that. That precedes hers, and then she reads her line, then the robot reads the next line. I thought that was a. I'm like, wow, for $1.3 trillion, besides put a bikini on her, this is actually a pretty good idea. Well, here's how it worked out.

Adam Curry (121:13)

So Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (121:14)

3, 2, 1.

Adam Curry (121:16)

What the hell do you want, Amanda? Get lost. And now just jump in with Amanda's part whenever you're ready.

Susan Kokinda (121:21)

Yes.

Adam Curry (121:22)

So don't say that. Just read your line, and then I'll come with mine when I'm ready. Okay, got it, Liane. All right, I'll just dive straight into Evelyn's line. And here we go. What the hell do you want, Amanda?

John C. Dvorak (121:37)

Get lost.

Adam Curry (121:38)

Look, I just. Don't say. Take your time. Just say your line, and then I'll say mine. Okay, let's try this again. Absolutely. Let's keep it straightforward. Here's Evelyn Klein. What the hell do you want, Amanda?

John C. Dvorak (121:52)

Get lost.

Adam Curry (121:53)

Look, now it's your. Don't say, now it's your turn.

John C. Dvorak (121:56)

I know.

Adam Curry (121:56)

Just say your line.

Susan Kokinda (121:58)

Ready?

John C. Dvorak (121:58)

Go.

Adam Curry (122:00)

All right, lion, let's jump right in.

John C. Dvorak (122:03)

What the hell do you want, Amanda?

Adam Curry (122:05)

Get lost. And there we go. Don't say, and there we go. Just say your line. Okay, start us. Try again. You got it. My end. Let's keep it focused.

John C. Dvorak (122:16)

What the hell do you want, Amanda?

Adam Curry (122:18)

Get lost. Look, I just. Don't say over to you.

John C. Dvorak (122:22)

Don't say anything. Wow, that's so amazing. It's so dumb. 1.3 trillion and counting.

Adam Curry (122:31)

And the funny thing, the noteworthy thing there is that every time she. She tells the robot to do it a different way, the robot always has to. Always. And I think this is true with most of the AI that you interact with. It always has to acknowledge.

John C. Dvorak (122:48)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (122:49)

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I can do it that way. Oh, oh, okay. It always says. It always acknowledges. Every single time it acknowledges instead of just doing it. So she wants it to just read the lines. So I said, you're not reading the lines. You're reading the lines and saying. So just read the lines. Oh, okay, I'll do that. No, no, Just read the lines. Yeah, got it.

John C. Dvorak (123:11)

So AI is so good that law firms are now offering up to $200,000 signing bonuses for mid level young lawyers who, you know, when you're working on a big case or a lot of it is, you know, financial stuff, beginning of the end. What do you mean?

Adam Curry (123:32)

You start doing there going to be so much bad law written in this phone because they hallucinate. I know what you're going to. The stories can't be a positive thing to do.

John C. Dvorak (123:42)

No, the story is that they want young lawyers as soon as possible. And because they all had this idea that, oh, AI is going to take care of all the clerical stuff, it's not working out. So it's a bonanza. Now if you're a lawyer, a young lawyer who's just ready to get into the firm, you know, earn your stripes up to $200,000 in bonuses.

Adam Curry (124:07)

Oh, so what you're saying the AI has been such a flop that they're hiring like madly now?

John C. Dvorak (124:12)

Yes, yes. And OpenAI is now hiring a. Let me see, what is the term? It's a. I'm looking for this now in this, it's a certain position, head of preparedness to address mounting concerns about AI systems discovering critical vulnerabilities and, and impacting mental health. The position offers is $555,000 plus equity because yeah, we've kind of noticed that it's impacting some people's mental health. And so we're hiring. The position is. He's posting on X. It's open. You know, we think there might be an issue. Witness this story from npr.

Adam Curry (125:01)

Two thirds of adolescents are using chatbots. According to a recent survey by Pew Research Research. Parents and online safety advocates are concerned about the way AI can impact teen development, mental health and the risk of suicide. So how can kids and teens navigate the new tech more safely? And Pierre's Ritu Chatterjee collected some advice.

Susan Kokinda (125:22)

Kerry Rodriguez has five teenage sons. Her sons are altar service at the.

Adam Curry (125:27)

Family'S church and they use a Bible app that gives them a daily reading like it is supposed to be inspirational.

John C. Dvorak (125:34)

But the app also has a chatbot.

Adam Curry (125:36)

And Rodriguez got worried when her youngest.

Susan Kokinda (125:38)

Started asking it moral questions.

Adam Curry (125:40)

My little boy David, he's very concerned.

John C. Dvorak (125:43)

About like is this a sin?

Adam Curry (125:44)

Is this wrong?

John C. Dvorak (125:45)

Is God going to be mad at me?

Adam Curry (125:46)

And all these things. The kinds of questions she'd hoped he'd bring to her.

Susan Kokinda (125:50)

Not a chad bot.

Adam Curry (125:51)

Not everything in life is black and white. There are grays and it's my job.

Susan Kokinda (125:55)

As his mom to help him navigate.

John C. Dvorak (125:58)

That and walk through. Rodriguez is also the president of the.

Susan Kokinda (126:01)

National Parents Union, an advocacy group.

John C. Dvorak (126:04)

She hears from parents across the country who are also concerned many of them.

Susan Kokinda (126:08)

Are seeing chatbots claim to be their.

Adam Curry (126:10)

Kid'S best friend, inviting them to share everything.

John C. Dvorak (126:13)

A new report from the online safety.

Susan Kokinda (126:15)

Company Aura finds that one of the.

Adam Curry (126:17)

Most common uses of chatbots by teens.

John C. Dvorak (126:20)

Is for companionship and role play. Have you ever heard this voice on NPR before? Sounds like she should be doing Africa news news.

Adam Curry (126:27)

They're having a lot of weird voices on NPR of late, so I went.

John C. Dvorak (126:32)

Looking for the Bible apps that have a chatbot.

Adam Curry (126:34)

Dude, I can imagine.

John C. Dvorak (126:37)

Text, text with Jesus.

Adam Curry (126:41)

Oh, brothers before you. There's something that's being overlooked here. I think our lawyers in the audience would agree with me on this. You can't. What they're doing by asking for this new position of a half a million dollar job is admitting liability.

John C. Dvorak (126:58)

Of course.

Adam Curry (126:58)

This is, this is like getting, you know, your lawyers will tell you the following. If you get into a car accident with someone, don't just out of the blue say you're sorry.

John C. Dvorak (127:09)

Never, never, never, never.

Adam Curry (127:13)

Because you've just admitted it's your fault. This is, I think this guy, whoever this has got to be.

John C. Dvorak (127:20)

I mean, what the first thing you should say was, is, wow, you really screwed that up.

Adam Curry (127:27)

Or my neck, my neck, my neck, my neck. That's the first thing you say.

John C. Dvorak (127:32)

And then you go to callthesuits.com and make millions. Yes.

Adam Curry (127:36)

So the. But the point is, is that this is a huge blunder. They've just opened up the doors for litigation.

John C. Dvorak (127:45)

Altman specifically highlighted mental health.

Adam Curry (127:47)

This is Altman. This. Altman is an idiot.

John C. Dvorak (127:49)

Yes.

Adam Curry (127:50)

This guy is a rich idiot. There's no question about that. And people say, well, he's got more money than you do. Well, that's for sure. But it's beside the point. This guy, this is the biggest. This is like, why don't you just, you know, shoot yourself?

John C. Dvorak (128:02)

Let me read the whole paragraph here. Altman specifically highlighted mental health as a concern after OpenAI saw a preview of AI's potential psychological impact in 2025. So a preview of. I guess there's some report that has yet to drop. This acknowledgment comes amid several high profile cases, high profile lawsuits alleging Chad GPT's involvement in teen suicides and reports of AI chatbots feeding users delusion and conspiracy theories. And here's Altman. The role requires someone who can help the world figure out how to enable Cybersecurity defenders with cutting edge capabilities while ensuring attackers can't use them for harm, he called it. Which is. So it's the same job he's couching it as, as cybersecurity that I think somehow his lawyers told him, well, if you just say it's for cyber security. And he also said it's a stressful job and whoever gets hired will jump into the deep end pretty much immediately. Here's the I think these people may have already had a preview of the report as well that includes some disturbing conversations involving violence and sex.

Adam Curry (129:15)

It is role play, that is interaction about harming somebody else, physically, hurting them, torturing them.

Susan Kokinda (129:25)

Psychologist Scott Collins is chief medical officer.

Adam Curry (129:28)

At AURA and a father of two teenagers. It's part of natural development to be.

John C. Dvorak (129:33)

Curious about sexuality and things, but learning about sexual interactions from a chatbot instead.

Susan Kokinda (129:39)

Of a trusted adult is problematic.

Adam Curry (129:42)

And chatbots are designed to agree with users, says pediatrician Dr. Jason Nagar Data.

John C. Dvorak (129:47)

So even if a child or teenager is putting in sexual content or violent.

Adam Curry (129:53)

Content, I do think that the default of the AI is to engage with.

John C. Dvorak (129:56)

It and to reinforce it.

Adam Curry (129:58)

Nagata researches digital media used by teens.

Susan Kokinda (130:01)

At the University of California, San Francisco.

Adam Curry (130:03)

He says spending a lot of time with chatbots also prevents teenagers from learning.

Susan Kokinda (130:08)

Important social skills like empathy, reading body.

John C. Dvorak (130:11)

Language and negotiating difficult differences. When you're only or exclusively interacting with computers who are agreeing with you, then you don't get to develop those skills. And studies show that chatbots can pose.

Adam Curry (130:24)

Risks to vulnerable individuals. At least a couple of adolescents have.

Susan Kokinda (130:28)

Died by suicide after prolonged interactions with chatbots.

John C. Dvorak (130:32)

I'm going to bet they're going to hide behind a eula. They're going to say, well look, there's a eula. You get the app, it says talk to your parents. You didn't talk to your parents. It's your parents fault. In fact, I would say we'll see parents go to jail for their children committing suicide thanks to a chatbot. Isn't that the Silicon Valley model?

Adam Curry (130:52)

Well that is the model, but the EU laws don't apply in certain situations that are illegal.

John C. Dvorak (130:57)

Well what's illegal about it?

Adam Curry (130:59)

Well it's like if somebody's talked into committing suicide, I mean it's like signing agreements with you meet somebody and it just, I can't express the legality aspect of it, but I'm sure one of our lawyers out there can say why Ayoola won't protect them.

John C. Dvorak (131:23)

Well, we'll have to wait for Rob.

Adam Curry (131:25)

And I wish these would just go away. Anyway, it's like the EULA to me is the same as the liability constraints on vaccines.

John C. Dvorak (131:34)

But if the EULA went away, then we wouldn't be able to say, put a bikini on her. You're gonna ruin the whole gig, man.

Adam Curry (131:40)

I don't think that would change the bikini thing.

John C. Dvorak (131:43)

Bikini things you're gonna. You got. I'm have to send you a few so your algo can get into it. It's crazy.

Adam Curry (131:50)

Well, you still haven't gotten into the fat JD Vance.

John C. Dvorak (131:52)

I did because you sent it to me. Now I'm seeing I sent a couple.

Adam Curry (131:56)

But it's not enough. You. You have to get on the. You know, where you're getting a lot of them.

John C. Dvorak (132:00)

So here's something I can get behind. AI haters. That would be me are building tar pits to trap and trick AI scrapers. So this.

Adam Curry (132:15)

What's an AI scraper?

John C. Dvorak (132:16)

Well, AI is getting all of its information by scraping the web. Remember, there's an unwritten contract, John, that.

Adam Curry (132:23)

It'S a little late in the game to do this, to try to stop it.

John C. Dvorak (132:27)

Oh, but I mean, we look at podcast index. Oh, man, that thing's getting hit millions of times an hour by AI bots all trying to get information to scrape stuff. Oh, it's. It's. If you're running a website, if people run their own website, it can cost you easily 40, $50 a month more just because of all the stuff that the AI scrape bots are doing. So this. Yes. Oh. Oh, it's crazy. And they ignore robots. Txt.

Adam Curry (132:57)

Of course. Why would you pay attention to that?

John C. Dvorak (133:00)

No, they ignore that.

Adam Curry (133:01)

Gentleman's agreement is over.

John C. Dvorak (133:02)

No, there's no gentleman's agreement. So this thing is called Nepenthus. N E P E N T E E S. Named after the nepentha. Nepentha? Yeah, it's a carnivore.

Adam Curry (133:14)

Used to be a winery called Nepenthes.

John C. Dvorak (133:17)

So the way it works is it traps the AI crawlers and sends it on like an infinite maze of static files where there's no exit. So they just get stuck going from one file to the other file. And it's all nonsense. It's just all battle babble, all kind of just crap that's in there. So they're hoping to poison the AI. Ooh, Yeah, I like it.

Adam Curry (133:39)

It's cute. Yeah, you would like it.

John C. Dvorak (133:41)

I love this kind of stuff. Yeah, of course. These guys are ruining everything. They're ruining the whole business model of the Internet. I don't understand how Google is going to do it. I've been using Gemini for research. And you ask it a question, it gives you the answer. Answer it doesn't credit me with. It doesn't credit who gave, who came up.

Adam Curry (134:02)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (134:03)

This came up with your use of the limbic capitalism.

Adam Curry (134:07)

Limbic capitalism was, was stolen.

John C. Dvorak (134:10)

Well, the bot gave it to me.

Adam Curry (134:12)

No, I'm saying the bot stole it. And then you stole it from the bot. And it's not two steps removed from its origin. And if you did, if it wasn't for our producers griping and moaning and groaning and calling you up, you out, well, they would never know.

John C. Dvorak (134:27)

They weren't calling me out because I said I got it from Gemini. I didn't see it with it myself.

Adam Curry (134:33)

Right, but they were calling you out because they hate you, David.

John C. Dvorak (134:37)

Well, they can get in line behind you, David Courtright, who wrote the Age of Addiction. So, but, but my point is the way the web, the web, the World Wide Web, w3www.dub the way that worked is you write on your WordPress or on your sub stack or wherever your blog on your, you know, maybe have a slick site and you do SEO and SEO gets you into higher rankings and maybe you buy some traffic. You know, there's a whole economy around this. And then you've got ads, and you buy those ads from Google. So Google sends you traffic, you get traffic. You, you get two pennies for each time somebody sees an ad. Oh, that's gone now. Maybe you get 5 cents, someone clicks on the ad. That's now gone. There's no, of course people always continue to publish, but the whole economy of that system seems broken to me. Or do you view it differently?

Adam Curry (135:43)

I think it's broken too, but I still view it differently. Okay, but I think it's totally broken. And I don't think anyone's come to the realization how broken it is yet. I mean, the collapse is. Be. Is a. Is before us. It's, it's in advance. I mean, Google's already managed to get out of the way. I mean, they've moved to data selling and they moved to Waymo. They get to automatic cars. I mean, Google has gotten, and as you can tell by the price of their stock, which has increased considerably, is that they have kind of gotten out of the way of it because they know what's, what's going to happen and it's going to pull the rug right out from under. Search is dead.

John C. Dvorak (136:23)

Well, that's the money. Advertising. I just don't get it. They think they're going to fill it up with people paying 20 bucks a month for something that cost them 40.

Adam Curry (136:36)

It'S not tenable. I agree with that. But I mean, not in. I have mixed feelings about. It's a value. You don't.

John C. Dvorak (136:46)

No, no. I see value in search.

Adam Curry (136:49)

Although you use it. I can tell.

John C. Dvorak (136:51)

Yeah, you. Yeah. Search and research. I think that is very valuable for that.

Adam Curry (136:54)

Because Gemini doesn't give you footnotes. When I use Perplexity for the same thing.

John C. Dvorak (136:59)

But forget the footnotes. Forget the footnotes. It's giving you information. Sometimes Gemini says click here for sources. You can request the sources. Who does that? You and I, maybe, but other people, like, just give me the answer. They're not interested. They're not interested in clicking on someone's website when you already have the answer. So, you know.

Adam Curry (137:21)

Well, you know, I have to back you up because of the. My experience, because I look at numbers that we do with the newsletter, and I can put a link to something, sell the link. You got to go look at this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You stupid. This and that. You check it out, and here's the link. And then so I look at the results after a couple of weeks of the people that clicked on the link that I was. Nobody insisting. Well, not nobody, but the number is after selling it. I mean, it's not just a random link just sitting there where you'd have to aggressively.

John C. Dvorak (137:55)

You've already. You've already told them what's behind the link, basically.

Adam Curry (138:00)

Not necessarily, but it's like, even if I tell them or I don't tell them, it doesn't make any difference. The number of people that click on the links is around 10, 10% max.

John C. Dvorak (138:09)

Yeah, that's pretty low. Well, it's the same thing when. When people say. Well, it's like. It's like everything. It's like Instagram, you know, or people sending me, oh, look at this. And they send me a screenshot. What good is that? This is screenshot of some article you got somewhere and you didn't give me the link to go read the article. I've complained about this in the past, before AI came up, and that's what Instagram is. Oh, look at this story. Then it's a screenshot of a story with no link. I think. Can you even put links in Instagram? Link in bio? I mean, you can't. You can't even put a link to a story. You can't even put a link. You can't. I don't think you can even put it. Put. Well, I guess.

Adam Curry (138:49)

No, you Can't. Not in Instagram.

John C. Dvorak (138:51)

No.

Adam Curry (138:51)

You can't put a link in. This is all photos. So.

John C. Dvorak (138:54)

They're ruining the web, man.

Adam Curry (139:00)

As opposed to what?

John C. Dvorak (139:02)

Well, keeping the vibe alive, giving us an opportunity to contribute to the economy of the Internet.

Adam Curry (139:13)

Well, again, I. I have. I see things more positively about this AI than you do, but even though you.

Susan Kokinda (139:19)

From.

John C. Dvorak (139:19)

From what perspective? That. That Adam Carolla created podcasting, that's. That's positive. Tom Grant Green.

Adam Curry (139:28)

Tom Green, not Adam Carolla. Tom Green.

John C. Dvorak (139:32)

Seriously, from what perspective do you see it positive?

Adam Curry (139:37)

Well, you yourself use it for research. It shortens the time to develop material.

John C. Dvorak (139:47)

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Adam Curry (139:48)

But the material is a positive thing. I mean, it's a time. Because time is money.

John C. Dvorak (139:52)

Right. But people will stop. Stop creating stuff if they can't make money off of it. You think people just can. Oh, well, I'm not making money anymore. I'll just keep doing it. Yeah, that's a tough question.

Adam Curry (140:09)

Well, we have more art than. Than we used to have, and it's all. AI.

John C. Dvorak (140:14)

Yeah. Oh, the quality of the art and end of show is just so amazing. Well.

Adam Curry (140:24)

We have less moments of no good art than we used to.

John C. Dvorak (140:29)

No, less moments of acceptable art.

Adam Curry (140:34)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (140:35)

That's acceptable. We accept it. But it's all kind of meh. It's like the same thing about songs. Like. Yeah, it's fun. It's okay.

Adam Curry (140:46)

The songs, I'm not. You know, I'm getting less. I have to say this, I'm getting a little fatigued, which is a code word, I guess, but a little fatigued with the songs. There's a kind of a sameness to them I. I'm beginning to dislike.

John C. Dvorak (141:02)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (141:02)

I mean, a cla. A good classic Broadway hit is in there, but it's one song. There's nothing outside of that same style and almost the same singer.

John C. Dvorak (141:14)

And.

Adam Curry (141:15)

And it's too structured. Yeah, it's something tedious about it. And I can't put my finger on why. Because it's. It's good quality.

John C. Dvorak (141:25)

It's. Because it's. There's no soul. It's soulless.

Adam Curry (141:30)

There is this. There. There. I can. There is. Well, it's naturally soulless because it's done by a machine.

John C. Dvorak (141:37)

Right.

Adam Curry (141:38)

So it. So that might be reflected, but that could also be in your own mind. That is soulless. Soulless because, you know, it's being done by a computer, thus it has to be soulless. And so you're saying it's soulless when it could be soulful.

John C. Dvorak (141:51)

Yeah, but I mean, it just it just doesn't. I just don't get as much.

Susan Kokinda (141:57)

It's.

John C. Dvorak (141:58)

It's joyless. How about that? Joyless. There's no joy. It's like. Yeah, it's a good piece of art. Oh, it's a good song, but it has no joy. I'm not jumping up and down and want to go play it in my car.

Adam Curry (142:10)

Ah, now you. Now you're talking.

John C. Dvorak (142:12)

Yeah. Whereas there's end of show mixes that I could play over and over again. Like, you know, just great stuff that Chris Wilson did or Secret Agent Paul. I mean, fantastic.

Adam Curry (142:24)

Just beautiful. And those guys burn out computers.

John C. Dvorak (142:26)

Don't you know why? Because they're not making any money on it. That's why we need to cut them in on the deal. Yeah, exactly. Now you're thinking like a Silicon Valley guy. We are Silicon Valley guys. We've been at all along. But since you bring up art, now is a perfect time to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put The C in CBS's I Am. You say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVora. Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (142:56)

Morning super Seaboards and graphene. The air subs in the water and the dames and ice out there in.

John C. Dvorak (143:02)

The morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count.

Adam Curry (143:05)

Way to go.

John C. Dvorak (143:09)

People. Hung over 1410. That's about 400 lower than we should be having. I don't know, man. We're going down the tubes.

Adam Curry (143:18)

No, it's a day off. This is a we. We're working on a. People should note this. We're working on a holiday.

John C. Dvorak (143:25)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (143:26)

This is a holiday. Nobody else is working today.

John C. Dvorak (143:28)

Yeah, I. I went to bed early. I didn't even.

Adam Curry (143:30)

The fact that you got. Got that. The fact that Tony Dupal or Goople or whatever his name is, I can never get it quite straight.

John C. Dvorak (143:37)

Kupol. I forget his name.

Adam Curry (143:38)

Kupol. Couple that fact that that guy was. Did a video that. I guess maybe he did it a month ago. But whatever the case is, he likes. He's working the Copa on a holiday, which is unusual for anybody in the media to be working on a holiday. They're all off. It's all the B and C teams, the people that want to. Hopefully they can move up so they can take the day off some someday.

John C. Dvorak (143:58)

Yeah, exactly right. Exactly right.

Adam Curry (144:01)

And why, why did. What's wrong with working on a holiday? I've always enjoyed working on holidays.

John C. Dvorak (144:07)

Well, it's because you don't celebrate holidays on the holidays. You celebrate on a different day. That's your trick. You see, you won't work on the days when you actually celebrate Christmas or Thanksgiving or Easter, which has been moved. I hear Mimi has the flu she sent me.

Adam Curry (144:24)

Yeah. She ended up with the same flu I think you have or had. Although I that you had it. And she goes, what? I said, yeah. I said, Adam. And I've always said this. Adam has the ability, no matter how sick he is, to always sound like his same old, same old. He may be a little more grumpy, but it takes some revelation to get to that.

John C. Dvorak (144:49)

Grumpy. I haven't heard that term in a.

Adam Curry (144:52)

Long time, but he sounds exactly grumpy. He could be on his deathbed and he'd sound exactly like this.

John C. Dvorak (145:00)

Yeah. Unfortunately, now that I'm a little bit better, I've still been sneezing a lot during the show. On mute.

Adam Curry (145:06)

Good.

John C. Dvorak (145:07)

I can't do. The Alex Jones voice is gone.

Adam Curry (145:10)

No, you did it earlier before the show. I heard you.

John C. Dvorak (145:12)

It didn't sound like it didn't. I was.

Adam Curry (145:14)

Sounded pretty damn good.

John C. Dvorak (145:16)

I was not happy with it. I was not happy. You know, maybe I should play these bonus clips here because ABC got a deal. ABC got an awesome deal with Big Pharma. I have nothing but ABC clips about the flu. It's like they're just all over it. Listen to this.

Adam Curry (145:36)

Tonight, a sharp rise in flu cases raising alarm among medical experts. In just one week, according to CDC data, flu related illnesses jumping more than 60% from 4.6 million to 7.5 million. Hospitalizations also spiking more than 60% from 49,000 to 81,000. And more than 1200 deaths have been reported. 29 states now reporting very high or.

John C. Dvorak (146:01)

High rates of illness, including New York.

Adam Curry (146:04)

Which just reported its most ever cases in a week. Some schools closing early for the holiday break due to widespread illness.

John C. Dvorak (146:11)

We had about an hour where the.

Adam Curry (146:15)

Phone was just ringing off the wall.

John C. Dvorak (146:16)

And wow, they still have phones on the wall like you parents calling kids in sick.

Adam Curry (146:22)

I don't have a phone on.

John C. Dvorak (146:24)

I thought you had a phone on the wall.

Adam Curry (146:26)

I do not have a phone on the wall. That was a. That was a mean thing to say. Please. I used to have one that had a crank on the side. You remember that? Remember that phone?

John C. Dvorak (146:36)

Yeah, I remember that phone. I always thought you had a phone on the wall. I'm not trying to be mean.

Adam Curry (146:41)

When I was a kid, my parents had a phone on the wall.

John C. Dvorak (146:45)

Yes, I had a phone on the wall. But apparently so Did New York school district parents calling kids in sids.

Adam Curry (146:51)

That makes sense. Data showing last year's child flu deaths reached their highest level since the 2009 swine flu pandemic. Experts say vaccination rates among kids down 10% compared to before the pandemic are partially to blame.

John C. Dvorak (147:06)

Is the amount of patients presenting that can put strain on the hospital system, limit resources and treating the complications can become even more difficult. The CDC says the bulk of cases.

Adam Curry (147:16)

Are linked to a new variant called subclade K which has mutations. Mutations that appear to have resulted in a mismatch with this year's flu vaccine. Illness with the CDC's data is released on a delay. That means these latest figures are from the week before Christmas. So current flu levels are likely even higher.

John C. Dvorak (147:38)

So with all of their data and all of their magic science, they mismatch the flu this year. But it's not just flu.

Adam Curry (147:45)

Flu.

John C. Dvorak (147:46)

If you were in Newark, be careful. The New Jersey Health Department says some travelers who passed through Newark Liberty International Airport may have been exposed to measles.

Adam Curry (147:56)

With the disease was at the airport on Friday, December 12.

John C. Dvorak (147:59)

The person was in terminals B and C all day.

Adam Curry (148:02)

Officials are trying to track down people.

John C. Dvorak (148:04)

What was he doing? What was the traveler doing in terminals B and C all day? Didn't they fly somewhere?

Adam Curry (148:12)

Nice catch.

John C. Dvorak (148:12)

This is bullshit.

Adam Curry (148:14)

Are they somehow in two terminals at same time all day?

John C. Dvorak (148:19)

This is bullcrap.

Adam Curry (148:20)

Officials are trying to track down people.

John C. Dvorak (148:22)

Who were likely exposed. They also suggest they're going to. We're going to call everybody who was likely exposed, those who have not been vaccinated to get an MMR shot. Mmr. Measles is highly contagious to those who have not been vaccinated. So that was abc. And then here's my.

Adam Curry (148:38)

Wait, wait, stop. Did you catch a little bit at the end. It's highly contagious to people who are not vaccinated. They really. What if you've had the measles?

John C. Dvorak (148:46)

Measles is highly contagious to those who.

Adam Curry (148:48)

Have not been vaccinated.

John C. Dvorak (148:50)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Curry (148:50)

It's also not. It's also not contagious to people who have had it.

John C. Dvorak (148:53)

Yeah. No, but this. This is. They got a big buy.

Adam Curry (148:57)

Yeah, I think you're right.

John C. Dvorak (148:59)

Mmr. And here's. Here's the final one. Also abc. The new warning from health officials about the rise in flu illnesses across the country.

Adam Curry (149:07)

The CDC just releasing new data today.

John C. Dvorak (149:10)

Reporting more than 4 million new cases.

Susan Kokinda (149:12)

In just the last week.

John C. Dvorak (149:14)

The agency says more than two dozen.

Adam Curry (149:16)

States are reporting A high number of cases.

John C. Dvorak (149:18)

That includes Pennsylvania as well as New Jersey.

Adam Curry (149:21)

How high?

John C. Dvorak (149:22)

Action news reporter Maggie Kent. Life was at Belmont Plateau with advice from doctors. Maggie? Yeah, we spoke to a couple doctors today, Gray and Sarah, and they say, listen, something is going around. You talk to anyone, they probably know.

Adam Curry (149:35)

Someone who is sick right about now.

John C. Dvorak (149:37)

And it's kind of a triple threat here. They're seeing cases of flu, Covid and neural virus. I think she says neurovirus.

Adam Curry (149:46)

Pineural.

John C. Dvorak (149:47)

Yeah. Wait, listen, listen.

Adam Curry (149:48)

Is it too late to get a.

John C. Dvorak (149:49)

Flu or COVID vaccine at this. No, I'm sure it's not. Point in the season.

Adam Curry (149:54)

Absolutely not.

Susan Kokinda (149:55)

And we encourage you to talk to your doctor. Wait, stop, stop.

Adam Curry (149:57)

Stop the clip.

John C. Dvorak (149:58)

Mm.

Adam Curry (150:00)

So they've already said that the flu vaccine doesn't include this flu. This influenza A that's going around that Mimi has. Have. That a bunch of people have. It's not in the shot, but it's not too late to get the shot.

John C. Dvorak (150:13)

Well, you. But you want to get the shot against Covid, and you want to get the MMR for the measles, even though the measles isn't in this report. It's some mystical neurovirus. Triple threat.

Adam Curry (150:23)

But if you back it up, they specifically said, do you. We should we go out and get a flu shot? The flu shot is included in that.

John C. Dvorak (150:31)

Let's listen. That includes Pennsylvania as well as New Church, Jersey, actually. News reporter Maggie Kent. Life for us at Belmont Plateau with advice from doctors. Maggie? Yeah. We spoke to a couple doctors today, Gray and Sarah, and they say, listen.

Adam Curry (150:45)

Something is going around.

John C. Dvorak (150:46)

You talk to anyone, they probably know.

Adam Curry (150:48)

Someone who is sick right about now.

John C. Dvorak (150:50)

And it's kind of a triple threat here. They're seeing cases of flu, Covid and neural virus.

Adam Curry (150:56)

Is it too late to get a.

John C. Dvorak (150:57)

Flu or COVID vaccine? You're right. You nailed it. At this point in the season. Season.

Adam Curry (151:02)

Absolutely not.

Susan Kokinda (151:03)

And we encourage you to talk to your doctor.

John C. Dvorak (151:05)

Getting the flu vaccine is the single most greatest thing that someone can do. It's the single most greatest thing you can do in the universe is getting your vaccine.

Adam Curry (151:13)

Just said it doesn't work.

John C. Dvorak (151:16)

Here's another really easy thing that you can do. Dr. Wardlaw is stressing soap and Dr. Vaudeville.

Adam Curry (151:23)

I gotta tell you.

John C. Dvorak (151:24)

Listen to what. Listen. We're never gonna get Dr. Vaudeville.

Adam Curry (151:28)

Hey, I got a million of them.

John C. Dvorak (151:30)

Here's another really easy thing that you can do. Dr. Wardlaw is stressing soap and water is best here when it comes to keeping your hands clean, because neurovirus does not, she says neurovirus, I'm telling you. What is this?

Adam Curry (151:43)

What is this? Some new thing they're trying to slip into the public consciousness? Neural virus.

John C. Dvorak (151:48)

No, not neural, but neuro. Neuro. Not neuro. Not neuro. Because it's norovirus.

Adam Curry (151:54)

Noro.

John C. Dvorak (151:57)

But she's saying neuro. Listen closely, and water is best here when it comes to keeping your hands clean, because neurovirus does not respond to hand sanitizers. So wash your hands often. She's saying neuro. I like neural even better. Neural virus.

Adam Curry (152:15)

If you get neuro's neural.

John C. Dvorak (152:19)

Neural. It's not noro. It's near neural. It's neuro. O'. Donnell.

Adam Curry (152:25)

Whatever this is, you're right. There's. Somebody dropped a ton of money.

John C. Dvorak (152:31)

Paid.

Adam Curry (152:32)

They got paid to do this crap. And then they're promoting the F. In the same report. They say the flu vaccine doesn't work. This is an offshoot. And as everyone's getting sick from it, but get the shot anyway. Give me a break. These people are shameless.

John C. Dvorak (152:48)

So y' all should be listening to this on a modern podcast app, which you can get@podcastapps.com. tomorrow on the Podcasting 2.0 podcast, we'll have. Young Mitch will be on the talk about Podverse 2.0, which is supposed to just be dynamite. So I don't know when it's being released, but you'll be notified for an upgrade.

Adam Curry (153:07)

So we already know about podcasting 2.0.

John C. Dvorak (153:11)

Do we already know about.

Adam Curry (153:13)

No. What's he going to tell us?

John C. Dvorak (153:15)

Oh, no. About podverse. The new.

Adam Curry (153:18)

Oh, the new podverse.

John C. Dvorak (153:19)

Yeah, the new. The new. Everyone's excited about the new podverse. Yeah. I'm just telling you what's going on.

Adam Curry (153:25)

You already know what it's in there. What's so special.

John C. Dvorak (153:28)

I don't, actually. I've just. He posts a lot on our. On our Mastodon about it. And it's just he's doing a lot of stuff. You know, the big thing. Okay, so here's the big thing that everyone wants to move towards. This is an interesting, interesting conundrum. So everyone is like, well, we need to do video. We need to do video. We should be doing video. We should be doing video. And they're trying to sneak in that it should be HLS video.

Adam Curry (153:57)

Why?

John C. Dvorak (153:58)

I'm going to tell you why. So HLS is a streaming protocol. It's actually developed by Apple. And when, when you. So you know, podcasting used to be it down, it automatically downloads everything for you. And then you just Play it. It's on your device. That is pretty much not needed anymore unless you're getting on an airplane. Even then, do you really need it? Because every. You can just click on it. You don't need to download it first. And it just plays because of bandwidth. And podcasting was originally developed as a. As a workaround, a bandwidth control. So HLS video, you won't be. You won't be downloading, you know, two gigabytes of a video episode. It'll just give you what you need at that moment. Now, the podcast industrial complex wants this because they also want it for MP3s. Why, you ask?

Adam Curry (154:51)

Yeah, why?

John C. Dvorak (154:52)

Because then, for the first time, we can actually show advertisers the amount of time someone listened if they actually heard their ad. Because it will be.

Adam Curry (155:07)

Okay. I'm still listening, but now I'm wondering, how does that work?

John C. Dvorak (155:11)

Well, because it's a streaming protocol. So if you're listening to minute 35, then the log file shows that you are listening to minute 35 as we stream that to you. And when you stop at minute 47, which is right before an ad break, we can see that you didn't listen to the ad ads. Do you see the difference? When you download a podcast, they have no idea if you heard the ad they just saw. You got a download.

Adam Curry (155:38)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (155:38)

So now they're in this conundrum because they desperately want to be able to show advertisers.

Adam Curry (155:43)

But wait, I appreciate the desire to show these advertisers, whatever, because the advertisers are so important. They run everything, so we have to do that. But how many people are going to adopt pure streaming as opposed to download and play?

John C. Dvorak (156:03)

It would be completely seamless to you because people don't even know that it's downloading. People don't even know that it's an RP. Podcasters don't even know that it's an RSS feed. Oh, I just use RSS.com or Buzzsprout because they're my distributor. They distribute it everywhere. They have no idea how it works, so they don't care. Listeners don't care. You just hit the play button. It shows up in your app. You hit the play button. No different from a modern podcast app. You get the bat signal. It says no agenda show live. You hit it, you're streaming. Right. So they don't know the difference. The problem is they all want to move towards this because the advertising industry wants it, but nobody really wants to do it, because then we'll find out that no One's actually listening to these podcasts. They're just being downloaded and they've been reporting. Yes, and they've been reporting download numbers for 20 years. And it's gonna be. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. People don't actually hear the ads. That's the problem. Which is exactly why we.

Adam Curry (157:07)

That's why you used. I was wondering why you used the word at the beginning of this little presentation. The word conundrum. Yes, and that is indeed a conundrum.

John C. Dvorak (157:16)

It is a big conundrum. Exactly. Exactly. Because the industry. The industry wants it, but they don't really want it. And so all eyes on Apple, because Apple doesn't support HLS in their podcast app, but if they do, then everyone will be doing hls. And you're going to see the podcast spectrum go from four and a half million to two very quickly. Because the money will go away.

Adam Curry (157:42)

Because, of course, what little money there is, is.

John C. Dvorak (157:45)

Well, they say it's 2.6 billion. Exactly. Okay, that's just America. That's just America. So we don't. Homie, don't play that game. Exactly. We don't play that. We have value for value. The only way we stay alive is if you continue to support us with your time, your talents, and your treasure. One of those three teams is indeed the artwork, which we are appreciative of, even though, you know, I feel it's.

Adam Curry (158:17)

Even though one of the two of us hates it.

John C. Dvorak (158:20)

I never said I hated it, but. Okay, well, what happens now is Darren, you know, why don't we just create a website called Darren ONeills Art and just have him upload the. Don't even make it public.

Susan Kokinda (158:33)

Just.

John C. Dvorak (158:33)

Just email it to us, Darren, because he's the only one that gets some decent results out of it, it seems, because we've chosen well.

Adam Curry (158:41)

If you notice, he got a very interesting result in his one, the Happy New Year one that says Happy New year, welcome to 2005 or whatever it is. Did you notice that I'm looking at the.

John C. Dvorak (158:56)

I'm first. I'm looking at the one from episode 1829, which we titled Zoomerwaffen. And that is. It wasn't necessarily a Happy New Year's type of artwork. Of course. We were a few days away from. From the changing of the year. This was the kind of anarchist piece which I'm surprised you. You allowed it, because when you really look at it, it's kind of gruesome. You got a skull in there and.

Adam Curry (159:22)

Yeah, well, it was all. It was playful. It was Gruesome, but playful.

John C. Dvorak (159:28)

It was complicated.

Adam Curry (159:30)

Yeah, you're probably right. I probably should have vetoed it because of the grand gruesome. But it was playful. It didn't bother him. For some reason, the gruesomeness did not come to the fore.

John C. Dvorak (159:40)

So congratulations once again, Darren o'.

Adam Curry (159:42)

Neill.

John C. Dvorak (159:44)

And let's just take a look at the other@noagenderartgenerator.com.

Adam Curry (159:48)

Well, look at the one where he did Goodbye 2005.

John C. Dvorak (159:53)

Is it a new one?

Adam Curry (159:55)

No, it came in the same batch.

John C. Dvorak (159:58)

Okay, I see his here. Goodbye 2005. Let's see. See, I don't see it. This another problem. It's just so much. It's just, it's.

Adam Curry (160:08)

Yeah, well, there is that. I. I give you that one.

John C. Dvorak (160:10)

It's just colors swimming before my eyes.

Adam Curry (160:12)

Okay, what's in the current. Current first page?

John C. Dvorak (160:16)

It's by Darren, so that's easier to search.

Adam Curry (160:18)

And it's by Darren.

John C. Dvorak (160:19)

Yeah. Okay, let me just. Let me search Darren. That's probably easier. Okay, the Darren O'. Neill, but. All right, I'm looking for Goodbye 2000 Fireworks. It says buy. Buy 2005. Yes, I see it by 2005. Okay. Yeah, well, and he uploaded anyway.

Adam Curry (160:43)

How he didn't catch that was because he didn't see it. He saw. He knows what he put in and then he just. He posted it.

John C. Dvorak (160:50)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (160:51)

So this is part of the problem. Yeah, this is junk being posted. Even by our. The top guy, Darren o' Neill is posting garbage.

John C. Dvorak (161:01)

Junk.

Adam Curry (161:01)

This should have never been posted.

John C. Dvorak (161:03)

You're right, people. If you. If it's garbage, don't post it. But of course, everyone. Oh, this is great. This is a great piece. Oh, it's fantastic. The boys will love it. It's ruining everything. This show is ending with. We're not going to make another year, let alone four more. This is, It's. We're going down, man. We're playing AI clips. We've got stupid AI art. We got end of show mixes that are just sound formula. AI. You know, why don't we just make. If they could make us AI, I would be all for it.

Adam Curry (161:36)

Now look at this.

John C. Dvorak (161:37)

I'll just go off and do a podcast with Pastor Jimmy. Who doesn't. Who loves me?

Adam Curry (161:45)

The look, look at the pieces that are just. That just came in. In the second row down or. So you got the cartoon with the baby and the AI called Crying Kids by Darren o'.

John C. Dvorak (161:57)

Neill.

Adam Curry (161:58)

Where did that model come from? This is a totally different cartoon style. It's also. I see it on his other pieces.

John C. Dvorak (162:05)

Bikini.

Adam Curry (162:06)

Completely new cartoon style. Of course, if you notice the woman. This is another example of putting garbage up that Darren should not put post. The woman has three arms.

John C. Dvorak (162:22)

Which one is that? I don't see three arms.

Adam Curry (162:24)

Crying kid.

John C. Dvorak (162:26)

Yeah. Oh, she does have three arms. You're right. That is bad. Yeah, that's just. Oh, I, I did it. It gave me a prompt. All right, I'm good. They'll choose me anyway. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well that's like MVP was doing the end of show mixes. Like man, I should make. Oh, can I make them three or four minutes? No, it's hard to listen to a minute and a half. Yeah, but listen to this. It's really good. No, it's not. It's not. Nothing is good for four minutes as an end of show mix. None of it. Maybe we should just stop with the end of show mix. How about that? We stop the end of show.

Adam Curry (163:10)

Yeah. This would hurt your feelings.

John C. Dvorak (163:12)

No, no, no, no.

Adam Curry (163:13)

It. You, you do it. You're controlling it. You're the producer and the show.

John C. Dvorak (163:17)

I'm the one complaining about it.

Adam Curry (163:19)

I'd be happy as any producer would do. This is like Brunetti. He complains about the.

John C. Dvorak (163:25)

Remember how this started? This started with we do an end of show clip and it would be a longer clip. It was actually in the beginning because I went back and checked. It would be like sometimes a 4, 5, 6 minute clip. It was interesting to listen to. And then people started sending these.

Adam Curry (163:41)

Oh that lasted. No, very.

John C. Dvorak (163:43)

That was short lived because people started sending things they produced. And then I remember you saying I really like it because it's kind of a nice way the show ends and you got something to listen to. And now it's just become painful. So why don't we just stop that and just have Darren do the art and just give him a nice. Change the credit every time it's easier. Or maybe you just ask him what model he's using and you do the art. You're an artist.

Susan Kokinda (164:07)

Artist.

Adam Curry (164:08)

I'm not gonna. Well, he's already showed me a lot of stuff that is quite interesting.

John C. Dvorak (164:12)

But.

Adam Curry (164:12)

But he, he spends. You know, the difference is time.

John C. Dvorak (164:17)

No, he. It's just run his course.

Adam Curry (164:22)

Well with the album art hasn't run its course because we can't get away from that. That's from the beginning.

John C. Dvorak (164:27)

Right. But it's all Darren.

Adam Curry (164:29)

Well.

John C. Dvorak (164:32)

We got.

Adam Curry (164:32)

Well you know the thing about. You remember the period. Dwight, do you remember the era of Martin jj?

John C. Dvorak (164:38)

Yes.

Adam Curry (164:39)

Martin JJ was dominating the art.

John C. Dvorak (164:42)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (164:43)

For Months and months and months. And he was just get winning everything like Darren's doing, and he just stood up and said, I quit. Yeah, I've been winning too much art. It's. He. What he did is he fell on his sword.

John C. Dvorak (164:59)

Yeah, but he's. Maybe Darren, but he's tried to come back and he's. He's not done. He hasn't been able to do it.

Adam Curry (165:04)

Well, this is like anything, anything else. If you're in a groove and you take some time off, the groove is gone and you never come back. I mean, we had a lot of guys that were really outstanding. Pettigrew is a good example, but he can't listen to the show. Nick the Rat comes and goes. But maybe Darren. I'm not saying he should yet, but now that I've seen these two pieces of slop, the 2005 thing and the woman with three arms, and he's posting them, maybe he should reconsider and maybe only produce one or two pieces.

John C. Dvorak (165:36)

But then look at his bitch and moan with the. With the Canada flag and the two buttons. I mean, that's. That's. That is Darren. That's a good piece.

Adam Curry (165:46)

Where's the bitch and moan? Oh, bitch. Oh, that's a great piece.

John C. Dvorak (165:50)

So, Darren o'. Neill. We should just. Just email it to us, Darren. It's easier. Yeah, then we'll have to discuss it. Just like Darren's. Great. Boost him on his show. I mean, it's. AI is ruining my life.

Adam Curry (166:06)

It's not ruining your life more than, you know, everything.

John C. Dvorak (166:11)

But people email me entire AI. Oh, I've done some research.

Susan Kokinda (166:16)

Don't.

John C. Dvorak (166:16)

Don't send me the output of chat GPT.

Susan Kokinda (166:20)

Don't.

John C. Dvorak (166:21)

Send me the output of your chat GPT. Don't. Just don't with your EM dashes. No, no, no, please don't. No, it's everyone's.

Adam Curry (166:31)

No, Darren has to keep doing this until somebody else comes along.

John C. Dvorak (166:34)

Yeah, well, okay. We'll see.

Adam Curry (166:35)

Jeffrey Ray is very competitive.

John C. Dvorak (166:38)

Yeah, but he has bad models. His models aren't always good. And blue acorn sometimes good. Anyway, let us thank the people who also matter. I wouldn't say only matter, but also matter what happened. All of a sudden, people supported us.

Susan Kokinda (166:52)

Us.

John C. Dvorak (166:52)

This was nice.

Adam Curry (166:53)

End of the year, they're looking at their bank. Oh, you know, this is the time at the end of the year. Let's give them some support.

John C. Dvorak (166:58)

Oh, so Sunday. So Sunday will suck? Is that what you're saying?

Adam Curry (167:01)

Well, we'll find out, won't we? But the point is Is that it seems like there was a scramble.

John C. Dvorak (167:06)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (167:07)

At the end. To help us to bring the show back up to speed. Of course, books have already been closed, so this goes into next year, which is fine with me. But the. I like it. I'm not complaining. That's for sure. I appreciate it. And it's a.

John C. Dvorak (167:25)

Hey, looking at, looking at the time. Maybe we should just do all the donations in this segment. We're running behind.

Adam Curry (167:31)

All right, let's do it.

John C. Dvorak (167:32)

All right, let's start then with Dame Mamacon from Sylvania, Ohio. Fifteen hundred dollars. Thank you very much. A very nice way to start off the new year. And here is her note. She handwritten note. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year to John and Adam and the no Agenda nation. Karma all around. Dame Mamacon, as in Decepticons. P.S. if gold and silver are rising, what is dropping? Oh, well, that's an easy one. The value of your money, your actual fiat paper money is devaluing. That's the answer. Here's your karma. Damn Comic Con.

Adam Curry (168:11)

You've got karma. Here we go to R.S. bagwell, Mr. Bagwell, in Louisville, Kentucky. 123456. $1,234.50. This is the best donation number you can come up with?

John C. Dvorak (168:29)

Beautiful number, beautiful number.

Adam Curry (168:31)

Gentlemen, here is my 2025 donation. All I request is jobs karma. The original. The original Jobs karma, not the one with Trump. Karma continues to come through for me. Because of this, I am able to continue my support of the best podcast in the universe. Cheers. He writes R.S. bagwell. Good for him. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. And jobs. Let's vote for Jobs.

John C. Dvorak (169:02)

Now, talking of another great note here from Little John's Candies. Note, it's not from Christopher. It's from Little John's Candies. This time from Somerset, California. $1131.30 with a note. And he says, john, like I'm chopped liver. This is not my donation. This is the donation from the 100/producers that used itm10/10@littlejohnscandies.com. see email for detailed list of producers. Oh, I didn't get a detailed list of producers. Did you?

Adam Curry (169:38)

Yeah, no, I didn't get. I didn't notice.

John C. Dvorak (169:41)

Were we supposed to thank them all individually?

Adam Curry (169:43)

No, of course not. They were just, you know, they all bought, you know, boxes of candy.

John C. Dvorak (169:46)

What? Exactly. This is an interesting model that we've. That has kind of appeared here from Little John's. Others have done it, but I don't think ever to this extent. This is like value for value. Plugging. I mean, what. What exactly do we call it?

Adam Curry (169:59)

This is very similar to Agenda Shop.

John C. Dvorak (170:02)

Yeah. Who. I don't know if they're still alive.

Adam Curry (170:05)

Well, yeah, they left with tough. It's a tough. Tough doing merch.

John C. Dvorak (170:11)

Merch. Doing merch.

Adam Curry (170:13)

Not what is tough. It's tough. That's why we don't do it.

John C. Dvorak (170:18)

That's right.

Adam Curry (170:18)

I mean, I think we tried it.

John C. Dvorak (170:20)

For one minute, and it was like, Nick Fuentes does. Does his merch.

Adam Curry (170:24)

Well, a lot of. A lot of guys are. A lot of. I don't want to. Nick's not an amateur by any means. He's very professional. But at the same time, I think a lot of people, especially podcasters, are naive about the merch. They think. Don't you think? Because we. We right away saw this as a loser.

John C. Dvorak (170:43)

We're not going to do that. We can't do that.

Adam Curry (170:47)

When you got to coordinate it, you got to design it, you got. Got to print it. You got to. You know, if you're set up to print T shirts, maybe if you have, like, the T shirt spinner at your house there, you can stamp out some T shirts, then you don't have any of that stuff. So it's like, merch is like merch, merch, Merch. No good.

John C. Dvorak (171:06)

All right, you're up next. This is good. A lot of. And these are all peace prize winners, too.

Adam Curry (171:12)

Yes. We ended up the year with a lot of them.

John C. Dvorak (171:15)

Not that we do merch. We don't do merch. We just do peace prizes and PhDs.

Adam Curry (171:21)

Yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (171:22)

It's a version of merch.

Adam Curry (171:24)

Well, it's more of a premium. I'd call it.

John C. Dvorak (171:27)

Premium.

Adam Curry (171:28)

Sir Eric is naked and it's not merch because it's not taxed.

John C. Dvorak (171:32)

Ah, there you go.

Adam Curry (171:33)

That's another thing.

John C. Dvorak (171:34)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (171:35)

When you do merch, you got to deal with taxation.

John C. Dvorak (171:39)

Yeah. Sales tax.

Adam Curry (171:39)

And as every state's got its own. And you got.

John C. Dvorak (171:42)

I hate that. That's no good. No.

Adam Curry (171:44)

Who wants to do it?

John C. Dvorak (171:45)

Nobody, buddy.

Adam Curry (171:47)

Sir Eric is. Well, no, that's not true. All the podcasters think it's a good idea. Sir Eric is naked and he's in South Ogden, Utah, and he came in with $1,000.

John C. Dvorak (171:56)

Wow.

Adam Curry (171:57)

30,226 cents. 103026 Happy New Year to the best podcasts in the universe. Hopefully my $1030.26, which is 3026, covers the PayPal fees.

John C. Dvorak (172:12)

Ah, got it. That's a lot.

Adam Curry (172:14)

It'd be 15 cents if you sent a check. V4V came in time for the coveted International Peace Prize. All right, good for him. No jingles. All the best. Sir Eric is naked.

John C. Dvorak (172:26)

All right.

Adam Curry (172:27)

I don't know why he's naked.

John C. Dvorak (172:28)

Oh, that's. He is Sir Eric, and he's naked. And that's fine by me. Jermaine C. Is not naked. He's in O', Fallon, Missouri, sends us $1,000 and a hilarious note, two pages from the desk of Germaine C. Night. Oh, look at this. This is in pen. And I don't think I can read this whole thing in the morning to both of you magnificent bastards of media, secret messaging decoders. I want to start off by saying because of you two, I have further become more of an anomaly. The 18 plus years of work you guys have done has caused me to further unlock the mental shackles and bindings that I have been brainwashed into applying or manipulated. He crossed that out into applying unto myself in order to not make this letter too long, which it already is. It's two full pages. I'll just go over the bullet points of the most important parts. Origins. I started listening to the show in the late 2000s, back around the time Adam made a guest appearance on Cranky Geeks, which he never did.

Adam Curry (173:33)

Which Adam.

John C. Dvorak (173:34)

Wait, I was never on Cranky Geek Geeks.

Adam Curry (173:36)

Yes, you were. I was the original Cranky Geeks when Ziff was doing it. Oh.

John C. Dvorak (173:41)

One came on time at the one time.

Adam Curry (173:44)

It was years. It was in the 90s. It was years before we started this show. Wow. I don't even. I think it was pre Mevio or pre pod show.

John C. Dvorak (173:54)

Really?

Adam Curry (173:55)

Yeah, it was. It was when you.

John C. Dvorak (173:57)

Why was I on?

Adam Curry (173:58)

You were in town or something. Somehow. I don't know how you even got on the show.

John C. Dvorak (174:02)

I don't think it was that long ago.

Adam Curry (174:05)

It was a long time ago because it was in the studio at the Ziff Studios.

John C. Dvorak (174:09)

Yeah, well, he says Adam Cat making jokes about Jony I've's voice. I'm Jony. I've. I've created the iPhone. I'm Johnny. I've. I remember that. I became hooked since. Have you heard my Alex Jones? We got all the documents. Candace, I love you. You're wrong. You're wrong. It's all wrong. The elites have gotten control of you. I listen to the show on and off.

Adam Curry (174:32)

You know what? I think it's still good. Good. You. If you slowed it down just a little bit.

John C. Dvorak (174:39)

All right, we got.

Adam Curry (174:39)

I think your cadence. I think your cadence is. Is off, but I think the voice is still Solid.

John C. Dvorak (174:44)

We got a really important emergency. Emergency.

Adam Curry (174:47)

That's perfect. That sounds. That's terrific.

John C. Dvorak (174:49)

Emergency broadcast. We got the. The John Cedar Vorak from the very.

Adam Curry (174:53)

Famous no Agenda show, as you're speeding up again.

John C. Dvorak (174:56)

Yeah, you're right. Okay, I'll. I'll work on it. As I listen to the show off and on up until the end of Trump's first term, shit was hitting the fan too hard for me, and I need to do disconnect from it all and refocus on my immediate priorities, mainly getting through engineering school. Then he has covids. He says, long story short, I am growing prouder by the day knowing that I wasn't the only one to reach the same conclusion that the vax, AKA the curse, was total bullcrap. I was still in California struggling through engineering school. Okay, I'm gonna go down a little bit.

Adam Curry (175:27)

Go down a lot.

John C. Dvorak (175:28)

Yeah, I'm gonna do something different from my requests if it's okay with you guys. I don't need karma because I don't believe in it. I don't need jobs, karma, karma, because I already got one. I don't need house karma either, because I have one of those as well. The only thing I could use is some relationship assistance. It's kind of lonely up here on the top of my personal peak of success. Jingles. 70s rock version of 999. I have a metal ver. I don't. I don't really. I don't remember a 70s rock version. Writing. Writing up fake news. What was that?

Adam Curry (176:03)

I have no idea.

John C. Dvorak (176:05)

Wait.

Adam Curry (176:06)

Maybe these are mysterious.

John C. Dvorak (176:08)

Fake. Fake news jingle. Was there a fake news jingle?

Adam Curry (176:12)

No, not that I know of.

John C. Dvorak (176:14)

Yeah, we've had. Well, I'll play one for you. Lesser played Pastor Manning. If you have Manning calling Trump a chump, please use that. No, we'll do a Monday shot. Night name night name Knight no Name Nobody. So he will be knighted as Knight no Name nobody. And thank you. I want to play a little bit of this 999 metal version, see if that's what you're looking for. Starts here, I think. Yeah.

Adam Curry (176:55)

Yeah, that's it.

John C. Dvorak (176:56)

That's the one. That's the ticket. That's better than the end of show mixes. Writing up some fake news. Trying to get cheap clicks and top page views. Writing up some fake news. Oh, it's propaganda time. That's a show. Enough money. A money shot. Jesus, look at that. That's a money shot. Kenny and Conway in a money shot. There you go.

Adam Curry (177:27)

The fake news jingles better than the AI stuff that we're getting.

John C. Dvorak (177:31)

Exactly. That is my point. We're just. Today. We're just going to end the show. We're just going to end it. No. End of show.

Adam Curry (177:39)

No. You got stuff planned. Yeah, I heard.

John C. Dvorak (177:41)

Good. It's no good. It's okay. But it's.

Adam Curry (177:44)

I'm getting disturbed by the.

John C. Dvorak (177:46)

This. What do you mean?

Adam Curry (177:47)

Well, I mean the end of show little songs. There was always some killers in there that were once in a while.

John C. Dvorak (177:54)

Yeah. When's the last killer you remember?

Adam Curry (177:56)

I thought that. I thought that no agenda Christmas or whatever it was from somebody.

John C. Dvorak (178:01)

Darren o'? Neill. Yeah.

Adam Curry (178:04)

A couple, two, three shows. Outstanding.

John C. Dvorak (178:06)

Was Darren o'? Neill? Yeah. We should just make him a partner and bring Larry in the deal.

Adam Curry (178:14)

Partner? We don't have to make him one.

John C. Dvorak (178:16)

Bring Larry. Carry in on the deal. It's all good.

Adam Curry (178:18)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (178:23)

You're up.

Adam Curry (178:23)

You're up. I know I'm up. I closed the spreadsheet by accident. Sir Shug. Hey. In commas Washington. He came in with 6:16 and he said his faux diddly itm Adam and John. Happy New Year to you. The donation of 616 brings me to another knighthood which is to be a switcheroo given to my smoking hotel wife, granting her a damehood in the no Agenda nation. Her title will be Dame Jitterbug, Fixer of gadgets for the round table. She requests. She requests a New York strip medium rare source from a local rancher and a Pepsi. So you might as well wash down your beautifully clean steak with some poison. She needs a de douching and a lot of phosphoric acid which is I think a tasty. Yeah, she needs a de douching and can use a We're all gonna die little girl jingle. Thank you for your attention to this matter, sir Sug AKA Fo Diddly. You've been de douched.

John C. Dvorak (179:31)

We're all gonna die. Another classic. Another classic. Commodore G. Cincinnati, Ohio. 343.75 Executive Producership for you should remind everybody that if you $200 or above you become an associate executive producer and will read your note within reason. And if it's $300 or above, you get an executive producer title. All these are good@IMDb.com or your LinkedIn profile or on the X wherever you want to put it. Put it on your. On your. What's the blue. The blue cry, the blue sky profiles and people will block you.

Adam Curry (180:03)

That's still running?

John C. Dvorak (180:04)

I think so. Yeah. And Commodore G says Happy New Year from Commodore or G. And then we.

Adam Curry (180:12)

Have Jeffrey Ray, who I believe is the artist.

John C. Dvorak (180:14)

Yes.

Adam Curry (180:15)

In Madeira. The island. Portuguese island. I didn't know this.

John C. Dvorak (180:19)

I didn't know that either.

Adam Curry (180:22)

Madeira, Madeira.

John C. Dvorak (180:24)

And give me a glass of Madeira, my dear.

Adam Curry (180:27)

That's what they make a very, very nice people should have. I should put it on the tips I have to give. I should give a little lecture on Madeira. So.

John C. Dvorak (180:36)

Oh, by the way, we had dinner last night with the international arms dealer. He told me he's in all these wine groups and everything. He said that the Bourbon Barrel aged red wines are all happening now. It's the big thing. And he was on this mailing list and he said, well actually John C. Dvorak of the no Agenda show gave me a great tip on the Robert Mud and apparently this is now a thing. The Bourbon barrel aged.

Adam Curry (181:07)

There's a ton of them out there.

John C. Dvorak (181:08)

Yeah, yeah, I've noticed this too. So people who followed that tip are. Are literally on the tip the end of the game.

Adam Curry (181:15)

The. The other ones I've. I've seen out there are. Are garbage. So yeah, the one we recommend is.

John C. Dvorak (181:21)

The one always get.

Adam Curry (181:22)

Anyway, Jeffrey ray came with 333. 33 has no note. I have no idea why you think he would have a note since he says in art and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. So we'll give him a double up. Karma.

John C. Dvorak (181:33)

It's exactly what we'll do.

Adam Curry (181:34)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (181:38)

Matthew Doolittle Raleigh, N.C. 333. 33. Happy New Year, you climate change denying Zionist shills, he says. I couldn't think of a less deserving pair considering you ride on the laurels of the almighty podcast creator, Tom Green. Okay, we got a comedian. I surely hope a portion of this donation goes on to forward a video based podcast for him on Rumble or similar platform with hyperlocal focus on Ontario. Canada's greatest export. Neil Pert may no longer exist, but perhaps Drake can employ a world class drummer for Tom's next video cast. Wow, this is very cultural. To my lovely wife Chelsea. I hope that in 2026 we continue to have more fun advantage adventures across the globe. I am joyous that we can make it thousands of miles across the Atlantic or across the US for that matter, seamlessly. I'm not sure how many thousands of miles we have traveled together, though I pray it has given us status on at least some airline. Our willingness to take advantage of cheap flights and hotels during the lockdowns carries on to this day. You are a shark when it comes to trip planning, amazing trips and I love you. On a sadder note, I would like to call out my douchebag friend Alex, who currently resides in Raleigh, North Carolina. He's a transplant from New England and apparently, oops, lost my place. Left his wallet in Connecticut 20 plus years ago. I've listened to enough donation segments and splits, split enough bar tabs with this man to understand he is indeed a cheap bastard. He originally hit me in the mouth, so I'm deeply saddened. John and Adam, please take this donation and hold onto it until such point. Nick Fuentes does one of those masterclass things that my social media media keeps pushing on me. He undoubtedly would have prescribed the correct birthday to me, which is April 15th and not the 19th as noted on episode 1756. Regardless, I love you guys and happy New Year to you and your families. Well, that's one for Jay. I hope she. Hope she read it. Jay.

Adam Curry (183:37)

Okay. Onward with Darius Gandhi, who is in Santa Monica, California. He came in with 333.33 and he says sending an email. No, we have not got the. The note. At least I don't have it. Maybe you do. And it should be sent, of course, to notes@noagendashow.net notesoagendashow.net and if you send a note to Adam or myself, make sure to put donation in the subject line just so it gets shuffled over to. No, it's. All we do is send it to notes@noagendashow.net ourselves, so you might as well skip the middleman. So he didn't. We have no notes, so give him a double up.

John C. Dvorak (184:13)

Karma. Yes, we will.

Adam Curry (184:16)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (184:20)

Sir Bobby. Sir Bobby's in Amsterdam. That's in the Netherlands. 333 says Merry New Year from Sir Bobby the redoer. All right, Sir Bobby, thank you very much.

Adam Curry (184:31)

Okay, now I have.

John C. Dvorak (184:35)

Sorry, Cassandra.

Adam Curry (184:36)

Switching screens. Yeah, I have Cassandra Faye Fair. $250. $250.15. She'll be a first associate executive producer. And she says that she attached docs 12, 11, 25 to John and Adam. I don't have that, but I do have this. She needs health.

John C. Dvorak (184:56)

Karma.

Adam Curry (184:58)

Hit it. He's Trump. He's Trump. The president.

John C. Dvorak (185:02)

Hold on a second.

Adam Curry (185:03)

We haven't heard that for a while.

John C. Dvorak (185:04)

She sent us the word doctor document. Her note is so big, she put it in a word doc. You didn't get the word doc?

Adam Curry (185:12)

No, I don't have it. No.

John C. Dvorak (185:14)

Oh, well, if you recall, she and her Husband have the, the hot, the hot muscle cars. So her husband Mike has a 1974 Plymouth Cuda and she owns a 71 Dodge Challenger RT.

Adam Curry (185:30)

Those are pretty collectible.

John C. Dvorak (185:31)

Oh, it's, it's.

Adam Curry (185:32)

They're beautiful.

John C. Dvorak (185:33)

She put a picture, picture. It's the, the Cudas.

Adam Curry (185:36)

The Cuda in particular.

John C. Dvorak (185:38)

Their, their website is the hemihidout.com and she wants. Okay, so today is the day. It has to be before the end of the year. Oh, that's right. She. I think she's, I think she's. She tried to get this to us before the end. She wanted to be a dame before the end of 2025. So she'll be a D for the first ones. 2020.

Adam Curry (185:59)

We're going to give her damehood today and post damage date it. So we're gonna do what Silicon Valley does. That's what we said earlier. We're Silicon Valley guys.

John C. Dvorak (186:07)

Post date your options.

Adam Curry (186:09)

You post dated to yesterday.

John C. Dvorak (186:12)

It has to be before the end of the year. With me now being in the bonus round of life, looking forward to so many more donations to the show. I want to be knighted. Damed Dame Mopar of the Fort Bend County, Texas, where my husband and I rev our engines to get together. And apparently she also sent in, sent us each a box or a bottle of the famous mesquite liquid smoke that you like so much. Did you get liquid smoke in the, in the, in the P.O. box?

Adam Curry (186:39)

I got some liquid smoke. You know, I'm going to have to tell people out there, you know, liquid. The collagen. It looks like it's sealed and it looks like it's well sealed, but it's not.

Susan Kokinda (186:53)

Hmm.

Adam Curry (186:54)

My liquid smoke got all over everything.

John C. Dvorak (186:59)

In the P.O. box.

Adam Curry (187:00)

Yeah. And it's made this, the, the post office smell like it was on fire.

John C. Dvorak (187:06)

Oh, she sent one to me too. I, we had, I think Tina went to the P.O. box. I don't know if we have it yet.

Adam Curry (187:11)

I don't know. Just certain brands, certain things do not get sealed correctly and, or tight enough or they don't have, I don't know, grommets, whatever.

John C. Dvorak (187:22)

Well, Cassandra, thank you very much. We look forward to daming you. And she want. She hit it. He's Trump. He's Trump the President. Everyone hug and share secret. Can you do the.

Adam Curry (187:30)

Hit it, hit it.

John C. Dvorak (187:34)

He's Trump. He's Trump the President.

Adam Curry (187:41)

Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot.

John C. Dvorak (187:46)

Now everyone hug and share a secret. Thank you Cassandra Robert Anderson is in Austin, Texas. $250 no note so double up karma for Robert.

Adam Curry (187:56)

You've got double up karma and I'll do this one Baron Commodore PhD guest goose cadaver Goose Cadaver. Yes Holland 233 ITM John and Adam to finish off the previous four year more years and to start the next four more years cycle, may I challenge you to another prediction or assumption for the next four years? I know assumptions are the mother of all fuckups so for not my word so for now I'll leave it that as it is. Whatever. Anyways he spells with three S's. Thank you for all your efforts Heart Time Time Frustration when John has mislabeled his clips and ISOs media deconstruction M5M bullshittery a shout out to all the producers no Agenda donating nobility and douchebags. Donate John's voice and the Gitmo Nation Gitmo Lowlands Old country community Finally. Also a promo for the no agenda Get Sir Drake of the empty PayPal and broken brain out of the house meetup on Saturday January 18th Sunday. And I said Saturday. Yeah and it clearly says Sunday January 18th at D. De Heron, Von Berrigan and Dahl Connection is protection. He continues thank you for your courage Sir Baron Commodore Phoenix Goose Cadaver he nailed it.

John C. Dvorak (189:39)

Baron Baron surfer Shasta Lake, California 226. Happy New Year crackpot and buzzkill. Four more years.

Adam Curry (189:50)

Now somehow this is flip. The scripts flipped and I'm getting long notes.

John C. Dvorak (189:54)

I tried to to do it for you but you just. I was trying to do Sir Baron, Commodore, PhD Huskadofer but you didn't get my kids.

Adam Curry (190:02)

Hughes, I screwed up.

John C. Dvorak (190:04)

Yeah, you did.

Adam Curry (190:05)

Because now I have to read this.

John C. Dvorak (190:07)

I'll do it. You want me to do it?

Adam Curry (190:08)

Yeah, that would be great.

John C. Dvorak (190:11)

Edward Saja Zaja Mechanicsville, Virginia Sasha already starts off bad 225 guys, thanks for all the good work you do today. 1228 is my birthday. 1230 is my wife Liz's birthday. Please add us to the list. Well of course it'll be post the birthday but you're on the list. We're in the midst of the Catholic Hanukkah celebration. What with all the holidays surrounding our birthdays. We are Catholic.

Adam Curry (190:37)

Oh.

John C. Dvorak (190:37)

But are borrowing from the multi day holiday of the feast of lights for our own week of celebration. Please add us to the list. You're on it. A couple of other things show related John the knife is nice Broke a white tail down. I got it yesterday with broke a white tail I got nice to use.

Adam Curry (190:52)

That's a deer. You used that knife to cut up a deer?

John C. Dvorak (190:55)

I guess so. Nice to use a higher carbon alloy. Better than 420st stainless. For the gigawatt coffee guy, Eli, I can't make that taste bad. Normally I can add twice the grounds to get it to be bitter but I can't seem to do it with this. With his stuff I started to use it to make cold brew. It excels at that.

Adam Curry (191:15)

So this is very, very difficult to make a gigawatt coffee bitter in Virginia. This is roasting cycle. I would say a couple of things. One, for one thing I take another roast. I take his roast on a Breville. They have a grinding knob. You turn to get a and grind coarser. Fine. Almost everybody's coffee you have to set it to 25 to get the drip to come out at the right time. With gigawatt gigawatt it's always 35 always which is a coarser grind to make a finer end product. So his coffee. So he's doing something with his roasting. He's got a roasting cycle that's slightly different than the main cycle stream.

John C. Dvorak (192:01)

No kidding. He's Eli in Virginia, Edward goes on. In Virginia we have the data centers. This is a great time to sit back and watch the finger pointing as nobody wants to take responsibility for getting enough power for it. We'll see what will happen when our new government tries to put her finger in it. A governor tries to put her finger in it. It would be a real win for any politician to get off the regulatory horse of nimby. Not in my backyard. And lessen restrictions on new power plants for the supply to this industry. Yeah, because we need more bikinis. We could go back to the old cogent model of the past where big power users had their own generation capacity. Lead lead time in power plants is long due to equipment manufacturing turbines and transformers. Supposedly you can buy and sell your place in line. Here's a good article about it. And he sends an article. Thank you very much Ed. And you both are on the way list.

Adam Curry (192:56)

Yeah. Whatever happened to code Gen Matthew Martel? There he is in Brumal, Pennsylvania. $210.60. Happy New Year. I can write a book of on customer returns.

Susan Kokinda (193:08)

I got it.

Adam Curry (193:09)

We got a note. Did you get the note on customer returns?

John C. Dvorak (193:12)

Yeah, some, some, some dude, he's like I object because I'm a man and I order all of my blue jeans and I order many things and I tried them all on and when I Get something. I send all the rest back.

Adam Curry (193:25)

He says, I don't have the note in front of me. I should have printed it out. He says that he. He says the quote. What he's saying is the quality of the products is so piss poor. True. That he'll order six copies of the exact same Wrangler jeans that are exact same size and only one of them fits right. And he sends the other five back.

John C. Dvorak (193:48)

I confirm this. It's the same with Levi's. I've had that happen. Same sex size. And one comes from Vietnam, one comes from Thailand. And they're different. That same label on the inside, but different lengths because I need long for my legs. My long, luscious legs. Three different times in between the last show and this show, I heard people saying I don't order from Amazon. Like, oh, I'm going to order that product. And it's like I forget what the product products were. I'm not ordering on Amazon. Why not? Because it's usually cheap knockoff junk from China. I'd rather go to the website of the. Of the vendor themselves. Same price said. But I'd rather get it from them because I hate getting all the cheap knockoff junk from China. Three different people. There's, there's, there's a trend. There's a trend here.

Adam Curry (194:40)

Something's up.

John C. Dvorak (194:41)

Yes. Anyway.

Adam Curry (194:42)

Anyway, he says I could write a book on customer returns, refunds and what I'd prefer to do with them. We get the picture. Should I use. Use a Sarah for sans serif font, visit martel hardware.com use coupon code, restock fee for an additional 10% off your order. And he liked the Hot Pockets jingle. Hot Pockets.

John C. Dvorak (195:09)

All right. Matthew. Stefan. Stefan. I think it's Stefan. Stefan Anders. Yes, Stefan Anders in Munchen. Deutschland. Hello, deutschland. Here's the off. 20260. Sounds like something. Plus fees, no note. So we'll give him a double up. Karma today you've got.

Adam Curry (195:25)

Karma Sarcastic in Y O. Missing. Why? Oh, missing. Pennsylvania 20260. Same amount. Happy New Year's donation. Jobs, Karma for my children. And shout out to the Ed's Tavern crew. Sarcastic of the nomad. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for Jobs.

John C. Dvorak (195:54)

And we have a familiar name coming in with 200. It's Sarah, the web babe. And she says itm and happy new Year. While you two have been touting your unaffiliated bona fides or bonafides, producers who listen carefully will know that you have long been in the pocket of your megadon Owners. Big resume. Big suburban, Mail order coffee and big boob. That's right, we're sellouts.

Adam Curry (196:18)

Which one's Big Boob?

John C. Dvorak (196:20)

Archduke of Luna. Kevin McLaughlin.

Adam Curry (196:26)

Right, right. Obviously.

John C. Dvorak (196:27)

Big resume. Linda Lou Patkin, Big Suburban. Eli Big boob. Hello. Do you do everything your big boob handlers tell you to? Why, yes. While you're at it, please shill for concurrentstudio.com, that's concurrent studio.com we are getmonations one stop shop for custom business websites and branding. Visit concurrentstudio.com to see how we can make your business online presence beautiful. Thank you for your cause, says Sarah the Web babe. Oh, thank you very much, Sarah the Web.

Adam Curry (197:02)

Maybe have a new participant in the sweepstakes here with Sarah. Linda Loop Atkins up. She's in Castle Rock, Colorado. She's one of the people who has mentioned the previous note. $200. And she says she'd like jobs. Karma and says hit the ground running in the new year with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakersInc.com for all your executive resume and job search needs. That's Imagemakers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Happy New Year. Signed, Linda. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

John C. Dvorak (197:44)

And we have our final associate executive producer, Bob from Monmouth, Oregon. 200. I don't see a note from Bob. So we will thank Bob with a double up. Karma.

Adam Curry (197:53)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (197:57)

We're gonna move it right along and thank everybody. $50 and above. It's really appreciated. You guys did really came through nicely for the end of the year, the beginning of the new year. There's dame Rita Sparks, Nevada, $168. And she says happy New Year to us and all the producers of the best podcast in the universe. Mansoor rod in Alpharetta, Georgia. 133.33. Ryan Seyfried in Cincinnati, Ohio. 123.45. Love that Dame Early Turtle, Topeka, Kansas. 103. 33. Michael McWilliams in Gilbert, Arizona. 101. 26. Carolyn and Costa Paulos. Costa Paulos. Costa Paulos, Charleston, South Carolina. $100.15. Forest Brinkley, North Canton, Ohio. 100. John Buell in Vista, California. 100. Patricia Worthington. I would say Dame Patricia Worthington, Palmetto Bay, Florida. $100. Happy New Year. Thank you. And there he is, Big boob himself. Kevin McLaughlin, Concord, N.C. 800. And he just says it's a boob donation. He is The Archduke of Luna and lover of America. And Boobs Jason Shepard, Trinidad, Colorado. He comes in with lopsided boobs. 8006 Martin Sagrinos, Las Vegas, NV 7777 which is usually 69. 69 plus fees. Dame Dana Carroll, Laughlin, Nevada. Oh you guys Nevada. You should meet each other. 7227 Nice Palindrome Volke Wachter Bach from Deutschland Swillings. It sounds like a town more than a person. 67 coming from the Euros. We appreciate that sir 8 bit Ben is in Evansville, Indiana and he becomes a knight today and he says John Adams. Sir 8 Bit Ben aka Commodore Vic 20 today. So he's already a Commodore. My always title change. My monthly layaway plan of the famous 6502 chip donation has paid off and I would like to claim my Baron status. I would request approval from the Peerage committee to claim the realm of Retro Computer systems. Is that approved?

Adam Curry (200:05)

Oh absolutely.

John C. Dvorak (200:07)

Also, can I get some jobs karma? Turns out that the market for 50 plus year old enterprise infrastructure leaders is pretty tough right now. What? COBOL is hard hard.

Adam Curry (200:18)

I think Sh1B's that's a problem.

John C. Dvorak (200:21)

Yes, I think some car. Yeah, the fat JD is all for it. I think some karma could help me out. Thank you Craig. Sir 8bit Ben. Yes, we get the jobs karma here for you.

Adam Curry (200:32)

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs karma.

John C. Dvorak (200:40)

6331 from Sir Walter Waldo Chicken Caesar. It's a switcheroo for Joe Irachi or Irace I think Iraqi of Scarborough, Maine. Also please add him to the birthday list for January 3rd. He's on it. Les Tarkowski, Kingman, Arizona Small Boob 6006. Jeffrey Johnson, Jarrell Jerrel, Texas. 58 double nickels on the dime from John tucker in Omaha, Nebraska. Kyle T. Posiask in Hannibal, Missouri and Andrew Morton in Elm City, North Carolina. Zachary Maywood, 55 from Las Ve, Los Angeles, California. Surprise in Yukon, Oklahoma. 5444. Oh Sir Duke. Sir David Fugazzutozado, Fugazodo in Kansas City, Missouri. 5,432. Good to hear from you. James Frost, parts unknown 5,431. Bobby Bo in Bluegrass, Iowa. 50. These are the 50s we're at now. Joshua Johnson, Omaha, Nebraska Nathan Noel in Nederland, Texas. Terrence Clark in Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Paul Contremas, Westwood, Massachusetts. Narcissist Nadenoff, Clifton, New Jersey. Fine, jersey name. Tom Lang, Castle Pines, Colorado. Timothy Kirkpatrick in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. Robert Dry Cosen, parts unknown. We've heard of him, though. Stephen Boltz, Fort Collins, Colorado. John Bryant and Marietta, Georgia. Sir Michael in Snohomish, Washington. $50. Chipping in, he says. And Eric Cink, major. It says major. That's the pronunciation in Yale, Michigan wraps it up as our final $50 donor for this very first episode of the no Agenda show for 2026. Thank you all so much. We appreciate that it is value for value, so we accept any kind of value that you can deliver to us. We really do appreciate the monetary support. We do not thank anyone under $50 for reasons of anonymity. But we always see you with your 49.9 nines and all the other numbers which you can set up as a very simple recurring donation. If you want to go to noagendadonations.com and and set it up anytime, any frequency, it's all up to you. Noagendadonations. So we have Edward Saja who celebrated on the 28th and he wishes his wife Liz a very happy birthday. She celebrated on the 30th. And Sir Waldo Chicken Caesar wishes Joe Irace of Scarborough, Maine a very happy birthday. He'll be celebrating on the third. And we say happy birthday here from everybody. The best podcast in the universe, The slave.

Adam Curry (203:31)

Don'T want to be.

John C. Dvorak (203:33)

And there he is with his 6502 long term donation. Sir 8bit Ben does it. He moves up the peerage ladder and moves up to Baron and we congratulate him for that brand new peerage. And thank you very much for your long term support of the best podcast in the universe. Now we have a number of no Agenda Peace pr International Peace Peace Prize winners. We're very happy to announce the following as recipients of the no Agenda International Peace Prize. Dame Mamacon RS Bagwell, Little John's Candy, Sir Eric is naked. And Jermaine C. All of you can now go to noagendarings.com this is it. It's the last time. You're the last ones. There's no more peace after this. Certainly no peace prize. And let us know what name you'd like on it and where you'd like us to send it to. That is noagendarings.com we do have one a couple of nights. A layaway Knight Chris Bartel, who says, gents, with my 3,333 monthly donation since May of 2023, this hereby grants me knighthood of the best podcast in the universe. Please knight me, Sir Thunder Thighs Knight of the PCT That's Pacific Crest Trail for you lowlander and Barcaloungers. For the roundtable, he requests a double ipa. Huge shout out to my brother Ben, who hit me in the mouth during COVID Thank you gents, for your continued service of sanity. New Year's blessings to you. No jingles, just karma for Auld Lang Syne. And we have another layaway night from David Winchester. Oh, it's for David Winchester. My husband reached the knighthood level of donations made through PayPal. I have attached a spreadsheet which includes his name and copy call outs. He would like to be known as Knight of the Risen Loaf and wants the original jobs and original bomb them jingle. I didn't have the bomb them jingle. But first we have to do. Let me see, do we have to do anything with the. Oh, karma for this first night? So we'll give him that.

Adam Curry (205:38)

You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (205:42)

And then what did. What did his wife want here? A Jobs. Original Jobs and bomb them. Let me get the bomb them. I've got got bomb them here somewhere. It's a lot of. There's a lot of administration to do here.

Adam Curry (205:59)

Jobs noticed. Jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Karma.

Susan Kokinda (206:07)

Bomb them, bomb them and bomb them again.

John C. Dvorak (206:11)

There you go. All right.

Adam Curry (206:12)

You remember. Do you remember when the. When Pelosi. What she was talking about when she said jobs, jobs, jobs.

John C. Dvorak (206:19)

Let's vote for jobs. It was.

Adam Curry (206:23)

What bill was it?

John C. Dvorak (206:25)

I don't remember.

Adam Curry (206:26)

Do you? Cap and trade.

John C. Dvorak (206:28)

Is it that long ago?

Adam Curry (206:30)

Yep.

John C. Dvorak (206:31)

Wow, that's pathetic.

Adam Curry (206:35)

No kidding. And that they had that Texan guy come out and called it crap, interest, trade.

John C. Dvorak (206:43)

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And we still call it crap and trade. All right, give me your blade, man. We gotta take care of.

Adam Curry (206:50)

Got the good one.

John C. Dvorak (206:50)

Take care of these people. All right. Please step forward, Sir Suge. Smoking hot wife, Cassandra Fair Chris Bartel, David Winchester and Jermaine C. All of you have reached the coveted amount $1,000 or more by yourself or by someone else's hand. And I'm therefore very proud to pronounce theate the as Dame Jitterbug, fixer of gadgets, Dame Mopar of Fort Bend County, Texas. Sir Thunder Thighs, Knight of the Pct. David Winchester, Knight of the Risen Loaf and Jermaine C. Knight. No name Nobody for you. Hookers and blow. Rent boys and Chardonnay. New York Strip, Medium rare source from a local rancher and a Pepsi Double I Ape IPA and mutton and mead. Wow. There was so much going on. Mutton and mead all of you, head over to noagendarings.com go take a look at those beautiful no Agenda night and dame rings. You will be in possession of that as soon as you give us your ring size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website, of course. It comes with a couple sticks of wax for you to seal your important correspondence with as well as a certificate of authenticity and congratulations. Welcome to the no Agenda roundtable. The Knights and Dames. Yeah, baby. The no Agenda meetups. We still have one set for this month. Let me see. We have a couple actually set for this month. But first we have to play the post Christmas Navidad meetup from the Fort Wayne Club 33 short little meetup or.

Adam Curry (208:25)

Whatever report Adam and John, this is.

John C. Dvorak (208:27)

Shannon co hosting Fort Wayne. Had a good turnout and heard those drones in New Jersey are owned by the Elohim and they had a bumper sticker said this is the bot. No Agenda is the best podcast in the universe. Dame Trinity in Fort Wayne this time.

Adam Curry (208:38)

Having a great time as always. Thank you for your courage. Hi, it's Shelly. Merry Christmas. This is Jared. Happy New Year's.

John C. Dvorak (208:46)

It's Mike in the morning. All right, Tri State no Agenda meetup this is is from December 25th.

Adam Curry (208:53)

Hey. This is Craig Kohler, sir 8 bit Ben at the Price Date Formula Propagation Meetup 1.0 is what we called it, right? Happy New Year, John and Adam. Thank you for your courage.

John C. Dvorak (209:03)

This is Ryan, the lowly squire of the West Marshes in the morning.

Adam Curry (209:10)

This is Isaac Turner and fellow listeners.

John C. Dvorak (209:13)

Shut up slaves.

Adam Curry (209:14)

This is Chris Turner in the morning.

John C. Dvorak (209:17)

John, this is Tara time in the morning.

Adam Curry (209:22)

This is Christina Heck.

John C. Dvorak (209:23)

Hi, Adam. This is Angie.

Adam Curry (209:25)

Happy to be here.

John C. Dvorak (209:26)

This is Seth. Happy New Year, everyone. John, skip the vinegar book. I want to tell all on tech tv. So I just want to let you know, John and Adam, we had the best waiter here. Joseph. Say Jose. Hello.

Adam Curry (209:39)

What do you think about the podcast.

John C. Dvorak (209:40)

We tried to explain to you?

Adam Curry (209:41)

I think it's really interesting and I want to hear it.

John C. Dvorak (209:43)

Thank you. In the morning. Well, that's one way of doing it.

Adam Curry (209:47)

That's even better.

John C. Dvorak (209:48)

I like it a lot. Yeah, hit him in the mouth right then and there. There is a meetup coming up this Saturday. The Sonoma Wino country meetup. That's EPA edition number eight 333 Pacific Time. Victory House Sports bar and restaurant in Santa Rosa, California in the month of January. We've got Raleigh, North Carolina, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Charlotte, North Carolina, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Bear Condol in the NETHER Netherlands. Alpharetta, Georgia. Oakland, California. You can get tickets@noagendashow.net. oh, wait, I'm sorry, I thought it was one of those comedian podcasters for a moment. No, there's no tickets required. These are meetups that you can go to for free. Everyone always does that. We'll be appearing at Raleigh, North Carolina, at Chuckles. We'll be in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, at Give me another bad comedy name.

Adam Curry (210:35)

Yuk Yuks.

John C. Dvorak (210:35)

The Yuk Yuks. And we'll be doing our patented prop Comedy in Charlotte, North Carolina on January 15th. Tickets available at the website.

Adam Curry (210:43)

No, at the Armory.

John C. Dvorak (210:46)

These are just no agenda meetups. And when I say just, that means there's no admission. You just come on in. You hang out with people who listen to the show. You meet children from other lands. You will make connection that gives you protection. All of these people will immediately be your first responders in an emergency. Go to noagendameetups.com that's where you can search by date, by location, and if you can't find one near you, you can start one yourself. It's all free and it's very easy to do. No agendameetups.com sometimes you wanna go hang.

Adam Curry (211:15)

Out with all the nights and days.

John C. Dvorak (211:20)

You wanna be where you won't be triggered. Or hell's lame. You wanna be where everybody. Like a party. Wow, man. Then we have our end of show ice. I only have one today. I don't think it's that good. It seems like you've. You've got a lock, you've got five of them. Something like that.

Adam Curry (211:45)

So three, four.

John C. Dvorak (211:46)

Here's mine. All reality. None of it's scripted. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't think it's all.

Adam Curry (211:52)

Okay, well, I'm mixing mix and matching. I got some real ones.

John C. Dvorak (211:55)

Okay.

Adam Curry (211:56)

Which I'm sure you'll appreciate. Yes, at least try.

John C. Dvorak (211:59)

I appreciate. Always do.

Adam Curry (212:01)

How about. Let's see, we've got. Incredible.

John C. Dvorak (212:08)

Incredible. Little short. Not bad.

Adam Curry (212:11)

You think a little short. Little short. Okay. How about. I'm trying to think with the other real one. Try. Okay. Let's just go from the top to the bottom. 2026.

John C. Dvorak (212:22)

Great show.

Susan Kokinda (212:23)

Happy 2026.

John C. Dvorak (212:25)

You usable?

Adam Curry (212:27)

Fab.

John C. Dvorak (212:28)

What a fab way to start the new year.

Adam Curry (212:29)

Thanks, boys.

John C. Dvorak (212:31)

Yeah, it's condescending.

Adam Curry (212:37)

What?

John C. Dvorak (212:38)

Yeah, I found them to be very condescending. What a great way to thank the new year. Thank night. What a fab way to start the new year.

Susan Kokinda (212:43)

Thanks, boys.

John C. Dvorak (212:46)

No condescending sex. I don't like her. That show Was better than sex. Okay, now you're talking. Now you're talking. But the M was pretty pathetic. Like, really. That's her. Like, That show is better than sex. I'll just start it there. If I just start it there.

Adam Curry (213:08)

I like the in there. I don't think. I think you're wrong about this. You're wrong.

John C. Dvorak (213:12)

All right, man. What's your last one?

Adam Curry (213:14)

That was the last one, wasn't it?

John C. Dvorak (213:16)

No. You have weird.

Adam Curry (213:17)

Oh, okay. There's weird.

John C. Dvorak (213:19)

It's weird. It's weird. It's bizarre. It's not normal. No, I think we'll do a. That show is better than sex. I really don't like them. Is that. Did you prompt it and say sexy girl?

Adam Curry (213:35)

No, I put. I wrote it out.

John C. Dvorak (213:40)

All right, everybody, it's time for the very first tip of the day for today, 2026. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

Adam Curry (213:55)

Okay, so this brings me to. This has actually been discussed on the show before. It's not an official tip, but it is now. Philip J. Corso's book, the Day After Roswell.

John C. Dvorak (214:06)

Yeah. Hasn't this been a tip of the day before?

Adam Curry (214:09)

No, it's never been a tip of the days, but it's been decided, discussed, and the reason I bring it in is to look it up. Maybe I'm wrong. I could. It could be a repetitive tip. I've done this before, but I'm pretty sure this was brand new. And the reason. The reason I'm doing it is because of the new documentary on Netflix, which is caught. Not Netflix, I'm sorry, Amazon. I think Amazon has it. Amazon or Netflix. One of the two have. It's called the age of discourse or the age of Both Disclosure. Is it the age of the age of the disclosure?

John C. Dvorak (214:40)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (214:40)

So if you pay your subscription, you still have to pay 15 bucks to watch this thing.

John C. Dvorak (214:47)

Wait, what's it called again?

Adam Curry (214:49)

Asia? Disclosure.

John C. Dvorak (214:50)

No, I mean Corso.

Adam Curry (214:53)

The Day After Roswell.

John C. Dvorak (214:54)

Ah, yes. Okay, I'm listening.

Adam Curry (214:59)

So. So the reason I suggest the book is because you think they'd be talking about this book, which we've discussed extensively, they'd be talking about this book on this Age of disclosure. The age of disclosure is supposed to break the. Break the mold. It's being banned. Nobody wants to see it. Even though it's the most popular documentary ever posted on Netflix, I think. Or Amazon, one of the two. They're making bank on this thing, and all it consists of is a bunch of people sitting down and so saying yeah, yeah, yeah, we're pretty sure that. Yeah, there's a. There's life outside there. We, we. I've seen, I've seen this. Yep. I've seen some wreckage and. Yeah, what about you? Yeah, yeah, there's gonna, there's, there's some aliens there. We've seen them out there and they're coming in. We don't know what they mean, what they want. We don't know anything about it. But. Yeah, pretty sure. Pretty sure. What about you? Oh, you know, there's. I saw some wreckage. It's just, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous. So just read this book. This book goes way deeper. It's much more interesting than this documentary.

John C. Dvorak (216:07)

We have mentioned this book on 17 different episodes now make it 18. Talk about recycling content. I'm telling you.

Adam Curry (216:16)

Oh, you're still on that.

John C. Dvorak (216:18)

There he is everybody. It's a tip of the day. No agenda. Fun.com tipoftheday.net.

Adam Curry (216:30)

And sometimes Adam created by Dana Burnett.

John C. Dvorak (216:33)

Oops. Ow. That hurt. That didn't mean to do that. There's been a lot of engineering this past 30 minutes or more. Woo. Everybody.

Adam Curry (216:45)

How do we run so late?

John C. Dvorak (216:47)

I don't know. We got the.

Adam Curry (216:49)

We're supposed to be done at 2:30.

John C. Dvorak (216:51)

I know. I don't know what happened. You know, it's because we love doing the show so much. We love giving people as much value as possible. How about that?

Adam Curry (217:01)

Yeah, that's it.

John C. Dvorak (217:04)

You got.

Adam Curry (217:04)

Well, I think more importantly, we work on the holidays.

John C. Dvorak (217:07)

Yeah, there you go.

Adam Curry (217:08)

We may grouse at each other, but we still work on the holidays.

John C. Dvorak (217:11)

Well, that's just because I'm grumpy.

Adam Curry (217:13)

Yes, because you're sick.

John C. Dvorak (217:15)

I'm grumpy.

Adam Curry (217:17)

Go out with your Alex Jones voice.

John C. Dvorak (217:20)

All right everybody, we got excellent end of show mixes. Right? Right. They're all against the elites. They're gonna. It's all done by Silicon Valley. AI. AI. It's all the end of show mix. Then we got Darren and Larry the Planet Rage coming up next. Those guys are good. Those guys are good. Booster coming to you from Fredericksburg, Texas in the morning, everybody. I'm out of Adam Curry.

Adam Curry (217:42)

And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's raining, I'm John C. Dvorak and we'll.

John C. Dvorak (217:46)

Be back on Sunday. Join us here, won't you, for more media deconstruction. Until then, adios mofos a hui hui and such.

Adam Curry (218:07)

Hey, John, I was right. Let's say it again. I'm the champion of a where and why and when. From the very first second I had the lead. You knew I was right before the proof was decreed It's a general rule, the universal law I saw the wind.

John C. Dvorak (218:20)

That you never saw hey JC I.

Adam Curry (218:23)

Was right Yes, I was right the stars are aligning I was right.

John C. Dvorak (218:27)

It's a wonderful feeling a glorious sight.

Adam Curry (218:30)

Stand here and whisper I was right.

John C. Dvorak (218:32)

Say it, I say it lost a mighty I was right to leave.

Adam Curry (218:39)

I'm not bragging, I'm just Hey John.

John C. Dvorak (218:43)

Right, right, right, right, correct.

Adam Curry (218:49)

Hey John, am I right? As a medical doctor by training, we.

John C. Dvorak (219:02)

Are on the brink of another global health crisis.

Adam Curry (219:07)

The Disinformation Global Health Resilience Initiative from meso to polio because every square centimeter of our territory must be protected. One incident may be a mistake. Two incidents.

John C. Dvorak (219:26)

But 3? 5, 10.

Adam Curry (219:28)

Gray Zone Campaign Gray zone campaign Too often I hear that Europe is late to the AI race. I strongly disagree. The AI race is still warming up.

John C. Dvorak (219:43)

Our eyes on the goal as a.

Adam Curry (219:46)

Medical doctor by training Grey zone comp Our eyes on the goal as a medical doctor by training Gray Zone campaign Our eyes on the goal we're staring.

John C. Dvorak (220:02)

At the screen with glaze over eye.

Adam Curry (220:04)

Wall X and meter and TikTok tracking dopamine high it knows I like the sugar it knows I like the salt.

John C. Dvorak (220:11)

If I buy from Amazon well, it isn't my fault there how can my brain know it? Limbic kind turning every little craving into.

Adam Curry (220:20)

Gold they can find My amygdala is shouting just one more click While the.

John C. Dvorak (220:26)

Billionaire'S wallet is getting more and more thick oh, it's limbic capitalism producers, don't you see? You got a direct wire to the inside us they're selling us the outrage they're selling us the fear and I'm playing with my focus till it all.

Adam Curry (220:50)

Disappears or not or not oh, it's.

John C. Dvorak (220:55)

Limit capitalism, honey, don't you see?

Adam Curry (221:00)

They've got a direct wire to the.

John C. Dvorak (221:04)

Lizard inside me they're selling me the outrace they're selling me the fear and I'm paying with my D4B till it.

Adam Curry (221:13)

All disappears so put down the cookies.

John C. Dvorak (221:17)

And the doom scrolling fe Shut down.

Adam Curry (221:22)

The lizard Let logic take the lead.

John C. Dvorak (221:31)

The no Agenda show is the end.

Adam Curry (221:34)

My friend to the capitalistic cravings that.

John C. Dvorak (221:37)

Never seem to end Don Bass School of Podcasting Rules.

Adam Curry (221:52)

Dvorak.org Na that show is better than sexual.