1839 - "Feces Thesis"

Summary

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No Agenda Show Summary

Episode 1839 – “Feces Thesis”
Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: February 1, 2026

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Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show delivers a characteristically irreverent and incisive deconstruction of the week's news, focusing on media coverage of recent weather events, the ongoing disclosure of Epstein-related files, fallout for prominent figures, First Amendment misunderstandings amidst the Don Lemon arrest, the possible impacts of toxoplasmosis and “cat ladies,” and trends in global institutions such as NATO and the United Nations. Adam and John critique mainstream reporting, question official narratives, and dissect listener feedback, all while delivering plenty of their trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weather Events & Media Spin

[00:38–06:00]

• Extreme Weather Reports: North Carolina’s surprise snowstorm and Green Mountain, Vermont’s recall of electric buses due to fire hazards received skepticism from the hosts about both media reporting and the practical realities of climate policy.
• Climate and Communication: The hosts mock the news’ euphemistic wording (“full and transparent investigation”), finding it repetitive and wasteful.
• Conspiracy Evolution: John notes his transition from “conspiracy theorist to conspiracy therapist,” now mostly entertained by the repetitiveness and lack of resolution in mainstream conspiracy narratives.

Memorable Quote:

“I really have gone from being a conspiracy theorist to a conspiracy therapist.”
— John C. Dvorak [04:56]

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2. Epstein Files: Media, Accountability, and Scandal

[06:04–32:14]

• Epstein Document Dump: Discussion centers on the recent release (and heavy redaction) of millions of Epstein case documents. Media’s tendency to emphasize salacious but unsubstantial details (“new photo evidence” of Prince Andrew, Musk emails, etc.) is mocked.
• Notable Names: The hosts break down the coverage of Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, Sarah Ferguson, Richard Branson, and Elon Musk, highlighting the sometimes flimsy evidence or innuendo presented as fact.
• The Myth of the ‘Client List’: John and Adam argue the so-called “Epstein client list” is a media-and-politics-manufactured concept, essentially a Mandela effect, with no concrete evidence of such a document existing.
• Legal Realities: Adam outlines how defamation and legal claims change after death, and John points out limited prosecutorial options for Epstein’s crimes today.

Memorable Quote:

“This is the true Robin Leach Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. This is how it really goes down.”
— John C. Dvorak [20:10]

[19:00]

“You have some of the most wealthy individuals, tech leaders, finance leaders, politicians, all implicated in some way, having emails about wanting to go to Epstein's island knowing that Epstein was a pedophile.”
— Rep. Ro Khanna (quoting)
Adam and John respond with skepticism about the actual substance in these “shocking” files.

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3. Legal Framing and First Amendment Literacy: The Don Lemon Arrest

[44:19–75:49]

• Don Lemon’s Arrest: The show devotes an extended segment to lambasting mainstream (and even legal) misunderstandings of the First Amendment in the context of Don Lemon’s arrest during a protest at a Minnesota church. They assert Lemon functioned as a newsreader or entertainer, not as a journalist.
• Protest vs. Press: Adam and John spell out the legal distinction between rights protected from government interference (“Congress shall make no law…”) versus rights that permit interfering at religious services (the FACE Act).
• Education Gaps: The hosts highlight worrying gaps in civic knowledge, especially among protesting students, blaming poor American education systems.

Memorable Quote:

“The First Amendment is not a right. It is against government interference with your literally God given rights as it says in the Constitution.”
— John C. Dvorak [61:59]

[54:00]

“We can't fall for it. We have to speak up. When a red line is crossed like this, we cannot be silent.”
— Jane Fonda, as quoted and critiqued by the hosts.

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4. Toxoplasmosis & The “Cat Lady Thesis”

[76:14–81:32]

• Jon and Adam discuss recent research on Toxoplasma gondii, linking high cat ownership to behavioral and psychological shifts, including aggression and risk-taking. They make tongue-in-cheek links to political trends (“liberal cat ladies”) and public health.

Memorable Quote:

“Before 1920, there was no such thing as a house cat. People did not have cats in their houses.”
— John C. Dvorak [80:23]

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5. Accountability for City Governments: Lawsuits & Precedent

[82:30–85:51]

• Seattle CHOP Lawsuit: Hosts call a $30 million verdict against the City of Seattle (for death during the CHOP encampments) a “precedent,” predicting mounting liability for sanctuary cities that do not provide adequate public safety.

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6. Communications, Protest Organization, & Ham Radio Resurrection

[86:43–88:19]

• Infiltrated Signal Chats: Due to protest chat infiltration, activists suggest a return to ham radio—a suggestion Adam and John find naive and technically flawed.
• Ham License Discussion adds a personal touch and technical nostalgia.

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7. Global Affairs: Qatar, The Red Green Alliance & Youth Radicalization

[88:59–92:45]

• Qatar's “Soft Power”: The hosts include analysis from Canadian intellectual Charles Asher, tracing massive Qatari funding of Western universities to the spread of Islamist (Muslim Brotherhood) and leftist (“Red-Green Alliance”) anti-democratic ideologies in youth.
• Tucker Carlson’s Ties to Qatar: The hosts note the oddity of high-profile Western personalities buying property in Qatar.

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8. NATO, U.S.–Europe Relations, and Mainstream Media Propaganda

[153:14–166:16]

• NPR’s “Pro-NATO” Coverage: John deconstructs an NPR package on NATO support, exposing the selection bias in “man-on-the-street” interviews and faulty statistics used to push a pro-NATO message.
• Greenland as a Flashpoint: Dutch and U.S. leaders’ comments on Trump’s interest in Greenland are discussed, with references to European “wake-up calls” and defense responsibility.

Memorable Quote:

“So they bring some dipshit on who works at an online bank out of the blue and she starts crying immediately. And then this is supposed to convince us of what?”
— John C. Dvorak [159:00]

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9. United Nations’ Fiscal Struggles

[108:12–110:23]

• The show notes the UN’s funding crisis and speculates on rumors, such as a potential headquarters move to Qatar, all with a dose of sarcasm.

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10. Listener Engagement & Show Community

Throughout

• Meetup Reports: Extended time spent reading out contributions from meetups and email, showing community enthusiasm and providing a venue for listener business plugs.
• Listener Tools: Special plug for “Clip Genie,” a community-powered tool to make searchable/shareable No Agenda clips.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Conspiracy therapist:
  “I really have gone from being a conspiracy theorist to a conspiracy therapist.”
  — [04:56], John C. Dvorak

• Epstein & the “client list”:
  “Client list—It just makes no sense. Mandela Effect. And I guarantee you it never existed.”
  — [31:57], John C. Dvorak

• Legal misunderstanding:
  “The First Amendment is not a right. It is against government interference with your literally God given rights as it says in the Constitution.”
  — [61:59], John C. Dvorak

• Media skepticism:
  “This is the true Robin Leach Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. This is how it really goes down.”
  — [20:10], John C. Dvorak

• On media bias:
  “They bring some dipshit on who works at an online bank out of the blue and she starts crying immediately. And then this is supposed to convince us of what?”
  — [159:00], John C. Dvorak

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Important Timestamps

• Epstein Media Deconstruction: 06:04–32:14
• Don Lemon Arrest, First Amendment Blow-by-Blow: 44:19–75:49
• Toxoplasmosis & Cat Ladies: 76:14–81:32
• Accountability for CHOP/BLM City Actions: 82:30–85:51
• Ham Radio for Protesters: 86:43–88:19
• Qatar/Red-Green Alliance: 88:59–92:45
• NATO/NPR Media Critique: 153:14–166:16
• UN Fiscal Crisis, Qatar Rumors: 108:12–110:23

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Tone & Language

• Irreverent, sardonic, and deeply skeptical.
• Heavy sarcasm targeting mainstream media, politicians, activists, and academic authorities.
• Listener-centric, reading out emails and direct feedback in a conversational, sometimes playful style.
• Mix of US pop culture, deep-dive legal/constitutional analysis, and international affairs.

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Notable End Show Moments

• Listener Businesses Plugged (e.g., Clip Genie, Girl Scout cookies).
• Discussion on sparkling wines and John’s “tip of the day.”
• End-of-show mixes and ISOs (notably, “These guys are the best podcasters in the universe” open-source Trump AI).

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Conclusion

Episode 1839 is classic No Agenda: incisive media deconstruction, legal demystification, skeptical humor, and sharp listener feedback. The show dissects both legacy and alternative media narratives about the week’s scandals and geopolitical drama, all while maintaining a loose, highly interactive style that puts listener engagement and critical questioning above all else.

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Recommended Segments for Quick Listening

• Epstein “client list” myth, legal realities: [31:29–32:46]
• Don Lemon, First Amendment vs. FACE Act explanation: [44:19–58:02]
• Toxoplasmosis & political cat ladies: [76:10–81:32]
• NATO/Social-Science NPR deconstruction: [153:14–166:16]

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Transcript

[Adam Curry]

By the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's Sunday, February 1, 2026. This is your award winning Gibbonation Media Assassination Episode 1839.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're all Krustafarians now. And we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, where it's not snowing here, I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's crackpot and bus. I wouldn't expect it to be snowing where you are. Makes no sense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you don't expect it to be snowing in North Carolina to this extreme.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I haven't looked. I haven't looked. I'm surprised that Mimi didn't send me a max velocity clip to look at. I, I smashed that like button and I hit the bell and, and got the subscribe, but I didn't get a notification about the snow.

[Adam Curry]

Enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hmm. Hey, Happy Black History Month.

[Adam Curry]

Ah, yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see. Have they done. No, no one's done anything about it yet. On the mainstream. I'm, I'm disappointed you would expect them to do something about their favorite community.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's too much stuff going on with global warming.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, since you bring that up, here's a funny little diddy on climate change and the measures we take to combat it from Green Mountain, Vermont. Green Mountain Transit's program funds are stretched thin and so are their buses. Take a look at this. These electric buses are less than a year old, but right now they're out of commission. These five new Flyer electric buses, batteries were recalled in November. The manufacturer said they are a fire hazard, so they can't sit in the GMT garage. That's why they have that. So Snow Mohawk, or as I like to call them, snow hawks. The buses have to be 41 degrees to charge. And as Gunner just explained, there's not a day of 40s in sight. Oh, no. GMT is working with Vermont agencies across the state and sharing buses. It's another example of Vermonters working together to get us all where we need to go. Oh yeah. Okay. Well done, news news reader Lady Vermonters. Did I say it was. Did I not say it was Sunday? Did I say a different day? Did I get my day wrong?

[Adam Curry]

If somebody caught you saying I wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

You weren't paying attention.

[Adam Curry]

I wasn't. I normally am, but because I know you do this mistake you want to start over?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not. Now that I've called it out here, it's okay. You're right. Yeah, it happens.

[Adam Curry]

So I have two weather report clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we are in the weather.

[Adam Curry]

They're not long. It's no big deal. Here's a weather report. Ku this has got. Because somebody does. The word Knuckles is in here. Let's go with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Severe winter weather is attributed to at least 15 deaths in Kentucky in the last week, including an inmate at a Kentucky prison. Karen Zarr with member station WUKY in Lexington reports.

[Adam Curry]

48 year old Marvin Nuckles was part of a crew of inmates who were clearing ice and snow at the Eastern Kentucky Correctional Complex when he fell down a 40 foot embankment and died. Kentucky State Police are investigating the death, but questions have been raised as to why this group was out in sub freezing temperatures at night when Governor Andy Beshear had given a statewide order to stay inside. Beshear has promised a full and transparent investigation. Decisions made, good or bad, they deserve.

[John C. Dvorak]

To be seen by that family and by everyone else.

[Adam Curry]

Officials at the medium security prison say Knuckles volunteered for the ice removal assignment. Knuckles?

[John C. Dvorak]

You just thought Knuckles was here.

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, why are they. Why isn't a full investigation a full investigation? Why is all of a sudden everybody, especially on NPR using and Democrats, full and transparent? Full and transparent. Is that different than full?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's not. It is. It is in fact wasting valuable airtime.

[Adam Curry]

I think so. And here's the other one I have which is on the bomb cyclone. Bomb cyclone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh boy. It's still happening.

[Adam Curry]

The southeastern US is beginning to feel.

[John C. Dvorak]

The effects of a meteorological bomb cyc cyclone ushering in blizzard like conditions. And for the east coast in general, very frigid temperatures. Six to 10 inches of snow could fall in Georgia, the Carolinas and parts of the Appalachians.

[Adam Curry]

Just so you know, those Appalachians.

[John C. Dvorak]

But okay, just so you know, they're making this happen. They are making this happen.

[Adam Curry]

It's all yours. Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I recognize that now that I'm in my 60s. It was hard to say. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

When I was a kid, before I was in my 60s.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I really have gone from being a conspiracy theorist to a conspiracy therapist. It's just like. And if it wasn't for almost two.

[Adam Curry]

Decades of this was discussed at the Albany. Albany, the Oakland meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yes.

[Adam Curry]

Which I have a lot of by the way. There's going to be a lot of mentions I got to give.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, good segment. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

But the. Which didn't get on the spreadsheet, it was mentioned. It was just discussed by more than one person about you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And what. What were they saying?

[Adam Curry]

What you just said. What happened to Adam in the second half of show stuff. And he's. You're more nutty than he is now. I didn't appreciate that so much, but that sort of thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because we've been through it all. Everything's been said that needs to be said, and none of it ever comes true. None of it ever.

[Adam Curry]

Especially with all the cell phones in place. Now. This is the real problem I think they have, with everybody taking videos of everything. Where's the video of some alien walking down Main Street?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, thank you. Good point. But I think really what they're just mad about is I'm not on board with the Jew train and Israel. I think that's it. How come Adam isn't on board with the Jew train and Israel? What's going on with. You should know better. That's what it is. That's what they're disappointed about. And Epstein, you know, Trump did it. I do have.

[Adam Curry]

Did what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it all. He did it all. Is all part of it. Yeah. Pedophiles, all of them, they're all being blackmailed by Mossad. I mean, I, I, I looked at my Twitter timeline, my inbox, TWI timeline, you know, the mentions, and there's people sending me, like, a screenshot of some grand jury testimony where Epstein writes to some unknown person because it's redacted. Yeah. And don't tell him I'm Mossad. Okay. And the guy literally posts that to me and says, oh, there you go. Still don't believe he's Mossad. Like, yeah, that's what you do when you're Mossad. Then you send emails saying you're not Mossad, and therefore you're guilty of being a stooge from Mossad.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Well, the only funny thing that came up was the Gates memo. That was kind of huge.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was the Gates memo? I don't.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the Gates saying, I got std, I need some antibiotics. Can you get him to.

[John C. Dvorak]

I hadn't seen that one yet.

[Adam Curry]

So I can dose my wife.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, secretly. Was he gonna dose her secretly?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, there you go. Now we know the true reason. If any wife finds out that her husband has an STD and then secretly is trying to dose her. Yeah. That's grounds for divorce.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's horrible.

[Adam Curry]

What happened?

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you mean, what happened?

[Adam Curry]

They got divorced.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. That's what I said. Now we know by the way I don't think I've ever said Epstein wasn't Mossad. We know that. That he's intelligence. Because he could be.

[Adam Curry]

He could be multiples. You know, There are people out there that are working for more than one agency.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. MI6 is the. Is the first one I'd be looking at.

[Adam Curry]

Before Mossad. Me too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before Mossad. The BBC did do their. Their little quick brisk comb. I do have some Epstein stuff because.

[Adam Curry]

I have some Epstein stuff too. But my stuff is labeled Repstein.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Which from now on it will be Repstein. As we speak of the rep. The disgraced finance financier pedophile. Notice everyone calls him. Can now call him a pedophile because he's dead. I don't think he's do that if it hasn't been proven yet. If he was alive.

[Adam Curry]

No. When somebody's dead. This. People should know this legally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

You can start calling him stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really.

[Adam Curry]

The guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anything you are.

[Adam Curry]

Rapist. What?

[John C. Dvorak]

Great.

[Adam Curry]

Let's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's run through some BBC quickies here for a second. The new pictures show the then Prince Andrew on the floor kneeling over a female whose identity's been hidden. She's fully dressed.

[Adam Curry]

He's in jeans and a white polo.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shirt but without shoes and socks. And he seems. His hands on her stomach. I love the description. I love the Brit. I'm going to describe this. Everyone has a phone. But. Okay. I'm going to describe the picture for you. In the background someone else is lounging with their feet on a table next to a couple of folded towels. The files provide no date or location for the images.

[Adam Curry]

But they're among photo.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that?

[Adam Curry]

Why did they make a bit. This is like a. Like a boring. You know. They kind of. I have like taken probably a billion photographs.

[John C. Dvorak]

A billion. Wait a minute. A billion? A thousand million photographs? Really?

[Adam Curry]

Okay, let's. I'll back it off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

But I've taken a lot. Terabytes worth.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And so you just go grab. And most of them are junk and I should have never kept half of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. It's all incriminating evidence.

[Adam Curry]

Take one. Some rando photo where, you know, the camera went off by accident and then you describe it. These are not important pictures.

[John C. Dvorak]

When you're dead. Man. They're gonna find that and then they're gonna call you all kinds of horrible things. Look at this picture. Look at that.

[Adam Curry]

By the way. I should have a disclaimer on that thing about calling people things after they're dead. If there's an Estate involved that is still making money on the person.

[John C. Dvorak]

They can sue you.

[Adam Curry]

They can sue you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, so be careful. Files provide no date or location for the images, but they're among a number of documents in this latest release that raise even more questions. The judgment of the man who remains eighth in line to the throne. Wait a minute, that's not true, is it? If he's. If he's been stripped of his title and his name, he had to go back to Mountbatten. Is he still eighth in line to the throne?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how that peerage works when it comes to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, at the no Agenda show, do.

[Adam Curry]

We have a peerage expert besides me?

[John C. Dvorak]

The no Agenda show that your kids are all eligible to take over your title. I'll just claim that right now. It's okay. You can be an heir to the title.

[Adam Curry]

It has to be a meeting, an email.

[John C. Dvorak]

Be quiet with your meeting. Free Epstein in 2010, two years after he had been convicted of solicitation of prostitution with a minor, apparently written to Andrew, suggests that he meets a 26 year old Russian woman in London for dinner.

[Adam Curry]

The reply by someone signing himself hrh.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Duke of York KG says he'd be delighted. Epstein then writes back, she's clever, beautiful, and has your email. In another revelation, the document suggests that later that same year. And by the way, when I was a single man, where were those emails for me? She's clever, she's beautiful, she's Russian and she's got your email. Nope, never happened.

[Adam Curry]

By the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein, you said by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, I did. I caught myself too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not really.

[Adam Curry]

I heard it. Okay, so that's. I'm on my way to recovery, by the by, so that's no good either. And so with all we know about Epstein and the underage girls from all over, your little blondes and brunette, all the girls from the USA and you know, from Mar a Lago and every place else, we're bringing in Russian spook girls. You know, honey pots. How does that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where do you.

[Adam Curry]

What? What. What changed?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, remember, this is British royalty. There's nothing. You know, just go watch the crown. You'll know that it's good to have something on British royalty. Then you can. You can get all kinds of stuff. So it would make total sense that Epstein sent in some. Some honey pot prose. Yeah, Prose, exactly. Andrew invited Epstein to Buckingham palace. And then you get an invite to Buckingham Palace. The former prince has strenuously denied all wrongdoing. But while his reputation arguably couldn't suffer any more damage. Files show Jeffrey Epstein kept striving to.

[Adam Curry]

Save his own, sending an email to.

[John C. Dvorak]

His publicist suggesting they asked the former Duchess of York, Sarah Ferguson, to release a statement saying she had been duped.

[Adam Curry]

Into believing false allegations about him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's hear the BBC about Sarah Ferguson. Also in the tranche of documents are emails suggesting Epstein supported Sarah Ferguson financially over a period of 15 years. An exchange in 2009 shows Ms. Ferguson saying she urgently needed 20,000 pounds for rent. The former Duchess of York has been approached for comments. She's been approached for comment. That's a good way to say it. You Brits, this is great. He got buddies like Epstein, Like, I pay my rent. Okay, no problem, Fergie. I'll take care of you. And then there's Richard Branson. In an email exchange in 2013, Epstein thanks sir Richard Branson for recent hospitality and for his public relations advice on how to deal with claims against him regarding his conviction for sex with an underage girl. I love how the high and mighty, the rich and famous are like, I got some advice on how you can deal with this. Why would Richard and Richard Branson doesn't come across to me as some creepy guy. No, just doesn't. He's. I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

A friend of mine who knows him says that he. He's actually financed either by Bahrain or Qatar. He's a front man.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, the airlines. He didn't. He didn't finance them. He got all. Yes, he is a front man. He is. Anyway, Sir Richard appears to reply anytime you're in the area, would love to see you as long as you bring your hareem. Virgin Group clarified. What, his harem?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, the harem.

[John C. Dvorak]

As in harem harem. But it's harem hareem as you bring your harem. Virgin Group clarified that was a reference to three adult members of Epstein's team and stated that Sir Richard would not have used the term or had contact if he'd known the full facts. A spokesperson added that Sir Richard's contacts with Epstein were limited to a few group or business settings, such as a charity tennis event more than 12 years ago. In an email exchange. Sorry. And then the final one is, of course, Elon Musk. Elon Musk, the world's richest man, exchanged emails with Epstein on two separate occasions in 2012 and 2013 to make arrangements to visit his island. Probably just Tallulah and me. Mr. Musk appears to write in reference to his ex wife, the British actress. What does this mean, Mr. Musk appears to write. Did he write it? Did he not write it? Are they unsure?

[Adam Curry]

That's the secretary that wrote it. One of his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting that they use this. He appears to write that. Is that a hedge against.

[Adam Curry]

I guess it's a hedge against something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Probably just Tallulah and me. Mr. Musk appears to write in reference to his ex wife, the British actress Tallulah Riley. What day or night will be the wildest party on your island? He asks. Epstein replies, the ratio on my island might make Tallulah uncomfortable. Before Mr. Musk responds, that ratio is not a problem for tallulah. It appears Mr. Musk didn't. Party girl, Tallulah, she likes to party. It appears Mr. Musk didn't visit the island on either occasion because of what he referred to in an email as logistical issues on X. Mr. Musk posted that he had very little correspondence with Epstein and declined repeated invitations to go to his island or fly on what he called his Lolita Express. Yeah, but that wasn't in the email. They just throw that in there. It's very interesting.

[Adam Curry]

That's poor reporting. If they did that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, Musk did not say, I can't wait to fly on the Lolita Express. Nor did. As far as I know, from whatever I saw, it's impossible. It's too much. Did someone throw it in AI already? So we can just know what's supposed to come out.

[Adam Curry]

Well, now it's getting. Yeah, well, Musk, of course, is looking for more moms.

[John C. Dvorak]

I need more birthing persons. So this morning on the Sunday morning shows, we had a lot of people show up talking about this, talking about all the important things in the world. And the one I found most interesting was Rohana. That's what I call him. Ro Khanna. Wasn't he the guy that said, I'm going to tax all the rich Californians? And then they got all mad at him and then he started to talk about other stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Well, he's one of the male members of the squad. And people keep forgetting that he's actually a Democrat. Socialist for all practical purposes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I didn't realize he was a member of the squad.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Original og.

[John C. Dvorak]

OG squad member. Okay. Oh, gee, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

Congressman Khanna, welcome back.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Manhans Welker.

[Adam Curry]

Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's great to be here.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning, Kristen. Thank you so much for being here. I do want to dive right in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dive right in. What is she. AI. Now she's diving. Let's dive. Right in.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you so much for being here. I do want to dive right in and start with this trove of Epstein files that were released. Of course, you and Congressman Massie were behind the push to have these files released. The DOJ says it's withholding large portions to protect survivors. To protect security.

[John C. Dvorak]

Has the Justice Department fully complied with the law, Congressman?

[Adam Curry]

No, they haven't. They've released, at best, half the documents. But even those shock the conscience of this country. I mean, you have some of.

[John C. Dvorak]

How are you feeling? How's your conscience?

[Adam Curry]

Shocked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shocked.

[Adam Curry]

Shocked. The conscience of this country. I mean, you have some of the most wealthy individuals, tech leaders, finance leaders, politicians, all implicated in some way, having emails about wanting to go to Epstein's island knowing that Epstein was a pedophile. It's frankly one of the largest. Okay, let's. Hold on a second.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know. I thought you'd want to jump in here.

[Adam Curry]

So they didn't know anything. They. All they knew is that the guy threw these tremendous parties, or they were rumored to be, I guess. I never heard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on. After his initial indictment and easy jail.

[Adam Curry]

Sentence, they showed Florida, but nobody who paid attention to that.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's my point.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's always assumed that everyone's keeping up with everyone. They're doing due diligence on every person they meet or talk to.

[John C. Dvorak]

What it shows. What it shows. And you and I have both witnessed this with very rich people, mainly rich people. You get really rich people, they have all kinds of hangers on. And the number one group is always politicians. Always. You've seen it. I've seen it.

[Adam Curry]

Al Gore over there. Kleiner Perkins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Wherever there's really rich people, there's politicians. And they do all kinds of cool, wacky stuff, because people who are very, very wealthy, they have no limits. They're like, I can do whatever I want. I'm rich. And to a large degree, that's probably true within the bounds of the law. And, of course, many of them slip over that. But that's. That is life. And I think that that is the most interesting thing. Whereas everyone's talking about, you know, pedophiles. Pedophiles, yes. Technically, you have sex with someone who's underage, you're a pedophile. And I think Jeffrey Epstein seems to be a pedophile. But the thing that's interesting is this is the true Robin Leach Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. This is how it really goes down.

[Adam Curry]

Why am I shouting?

[John C. Dvorak]

Champagne wishes and caviar dreams. This is the true Lifestyles of the rich and Famous. You're seeing how it really works. And it didn't end with Epstein. This is with anybody who's rich. You always have crazy parties, lots of celebrities, politicians, drinks, drugs, everything. That is the life that I think people are now seeing. I hope that that's what they're looking at, because you're not gonna find much else, trust me.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, To Epstein's Island. Knowing that Epstein was a pedophile, it's frankly one of the large scandals, in my view, in our country's history. And there is a demand for elite accountability. But the survivors lawyers that I've talked to have said that the survivors are still upset. They're upset that many of their names accidentally came out with. Without redaction. Redactions. And they want to make sure the rest of the files come out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, rest of the files come out. Okay. This is. This is kind of this interesting thing.

[Adam Curry]

Like, what is a survivor in this instance? They keep talking about these survivors.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Did they get. Did they escape a shipwreck? Or were they. Were they. Are they mentally incapable of continuing a normal life? I mean, what are the. Who are these survivors? I mean, it doesn't want to be callous.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no. It depends. A survivor would be someone who was groomed, underage, and sexually abused. I would consider that to be an absolute survivor. People who are of age who fell into the partying and the fun and all of that and got into stuff that they regret. I'm not.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're survivors, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Survivors of regret. Regret? Yeah, regret.

[Adam Curry]

Survivors of stupid decision making early in their life.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm a survivor of 18 years of working with you and vi. Versa.

[Adam Curry]

There you have it. You're talking about some of those big names being implicated. Are you suggesting that there should be more charges filed? Because at this point in time, no new charges have been filed against anyone. Charges for what? I do think the prosecution needs to look at seriously bringing charges. But there are two different issues here, Kristen. There's some people who committed crimes, and that needs to be looked at. What? Need to say who.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the thing is, I think he's treading water here because there just aren't any crimes in any of these documents. That's the point.

[Adam Curry]

There's no crimes in the documents. But. And. And in the case of the. We don't. I mean, it's. There were probably some underage. Okay. There were some probably underage sex taking place. I may have to guess this is true, because it just seems to be Epstein for sure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epstein himself. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

On a foreign island that has, you know, under the jurisdiction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, hold on, isn't it the US Virgin Islands?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but what's the laws? What is the Asia consent?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, the whole reason for that island was for the money laundering. As far as I'm concerned. It just happened to be a great party.

[Adam Curry]

The whole thing is. But, but you know, these crimes, they're not you. Who's gonna. Who's gonna prosecute? Did you have it? Okay, so somebody did something on Divergent Island. Who's gonna prosecute it? Where's it going to be prosecuted? How? Under what circumstances would they be arrested? I mean, it's just something that is. At this point, it's beyond. It's just too late.

[John C. Dvorak]

But this is not about Epstein. This is about Trump.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. What am I thinking?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not about Epstein. What am I doing?

[Adam Curry]

I'm trying to make a logical conclusion here. That's got nothing to do with anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stop it.

[Adam Curry]

Jeffrey Epstein. Those names haven't come out. In fact, they were covered up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. Whoa. What did he say? Here, hold on a second. Catch this.

[Adam Curry]

And we need to understand who were some of the associates of Jeffrey Epstein. Those names haven't come out. In fact, they were covered up.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's quite the allegation. What does he mean by associates other than Ghislaine Maxwell? And those names were covered up? I mean, what does he really want?

[Adam Curry]

He wants, you know, he's talking through his hat. We need to understand who may have abused or raped underage girls. But then there's a broader issue, and that is that there are rich and powerful people who may not have committed a crime, but who are emailing Jeffrey Epstein. Well, after he's a pedophile, talking about going, that's his.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love that.

[Adam Curry]

A date. When he turned. Okay. On June 8, he became a pedophile. And before that he was a normal guy. What? But who are emailing Jeffrey Epstein? Well, after he's a pedophile, talking about going to his island, talking about wanting to participate in wild parties, and the American people are asking, stop the presses. Everybody wants to participate in wild parties. Yeah, don't they?

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm with you on that. At least be there. At least get an invite.

[Adam Curry]

Well, if you. If you know, there's. Hey, Bill, over here has wild parties. Have you been to any of these wild parties? No, I've never been to one of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

I gotta be honest. I've never been to a wild party or I left early.

[Adam Curry]

Wild party. I gotta go. I mean, wild part actually. Now in the. There was a period of time where there was a lot of. Oh, it's orgy. There's a name for this, this process. There were literally organized orgies pre, pre AIDS, which cropped up around the 80s. So in the 70s there was especially I. I've never been to one of these, but I've always thought about it. And there used to be Plato's Retreat in New York City, which was notorious in fact. Yeah, there was a Playboy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that Mustache Man's place?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know whose mustache.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Bolton. Wasn't he a member of Plato's Retreat? Wasn't that the fart?

[Adam Curry]

No, Plato's Retreat was. It was a nightclub.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where was the fart sniffing place? Wasn't that.

[Adam Curry]

But you had to get into.

[John C. Dvorak]

You had to get.

[Adam Curry]

I. You had to somehow get into it. Buck Henry, the great writer, wrote a piece in Playboy magazine where he went to Plato's Retreat and did a. Wrote it up as a kind of a essay, long essay feature. And he described what was going on. And it just sounded like it was an orgy. It was people like, you know, walking around screwing everything that they could see over and over again. There were girls, you know, pulling a train, if you can remember what that term means. There's all this stuff going on and he was witnessing it all. And this was going in the 70s. There was a lot of this sort of thing going on here and there. And they were called and that what I would assume would be a wild party. And so they kind of disappeared with aids. AIDS kind of put the kibosh on wild parties because of the nature of the. Of the ailment. Yes. And then so things calm down. There hasn't been. But then did you hear about some guys still doing them? You'd. Well, I'd like to get. Get in on that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can't get past your pulling a train comment. Oh my God, listen to that horn. All right, let's ask the robot for a second. Tell me about Plato's Retreat in New York City. Plato's Retreat was a well known swingers club in New York city during the 1970s and 1980s. It was famous for its exclusive atmosphere and played a significant role in the context of the sexual revolution of that time. The club eventually closed in the mid-1980s. Significant role in the sexual revolution of that time. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. That's wonderful. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Free sex.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see where.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, they were called free sex parties. That's what they were called. In the seventies.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get back.

[Adam Curry]

And they were advertised.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's get back to the clip file.

[Adam Curry]

Talking about going to his island, talking about wanting to participate in wild parties. And the American people are asking, how are rich and powerful people living in this country? What moral code are they living by? Some of those revelations are just deeply disturbing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, this is, you're right. This is what everybody wants to know. Tell me about these parties. These guys are living it up. How can I get invited? I think you're right. And he's like, oh, it's deeply disturbing.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, now everyone's a prudent, especially the Democrats side on the end of the squad. Oh, oh, they went to a wild party. Oh, nasty, nasty people. Give me a break.

[John C. Dvorak]

We continue.

[Adam Curry]

Let me ask you about what comes next from your perspective. You've threatened contempt charges and even impeachment for Attorn General Pam Bondi. And I wonder, are you at a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Point where you are prepared to move.

[Adam Curry]

Forward with contempt and impeachment charges against the attorney general? Well, as you know, Kristen, Thomas Massie and I brought this up in middle of December. We still have not moved on it because we are trying to give the Justice Department some benefit of the doubt. They did do a release that was significant. I mean, this is the most documents that we have seen released so far in history. But it is not good enough. And so Thomas Massie and I have requested a meeting with the deputy attorney general. He said he's open to meeting with members of Congress. He said he's open to explaining why the redactions were done. So I hope that we will have a meeting. If we don't get the remaining files, if we do not get the remaining 302 forms, the remaining prosecution memo from 2019, and if the survivors are not happy, then Thomas Massie and I are prepared to move on impeachment or contempt.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, the problem is, and I'm not sure who launched it, but I'm pretty sure it was from the Democrat party is the concept of a client list. I can't recall Trump ever talking about a client list because that is not, you know, how it works in just media, social media in general. Trump ran on releasing the Epstein client list. And you know, this is like a throwback to Heidi Fleiss, the Hollywood madam.

[Adam Curry]

Right? It is. Exactly. You assume that there's a little black book.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And that's just not going to exist. That's the problem.

[Adam Curry]

Ghislaine Maxwell said so already.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but that doesn't count. It's like somehow people are completely convinced it's. What is the. Was that the Berenstein's thing? Was it. What is that cosmic shift? What do we call that?

[Adam Curry]

Oh yeah, that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thanks. Yeah, that's helpful. Oh yeah, that. Yeah, that. Where everyone believes that there's this client list and that it's. That it exists. And I guarantee you it never existed. It just makes no sense. Mandela effect. There you go. Thank you. Took a second. The Mandela effect. And I look for.

[Adam Curry]

There is no. It was. These were. I mean, this guy was a networking maniac.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. We have his address book and the.

[Adam Curry]

Address book is all there is. I mean, what more do you want? Does he have one with a bunch of stars next to the names or check marks or whatever? Crashed planes.

[John C. Dvorak]

A FileMaker database.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, FileMaker database. Which by the way, if they had, they wouldn't. Kind of wouldn't surprise you because it turns out the two of them are online all the time. Time. They were both gamers and. Geez.

[John C. Dvorak]

One more clip here.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let me ask you about another aspect of this. Former President Bill Clinton, who is named in the Epstein files, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have refused to comply with the House subpoenas in the Epstein investigation. We should note nearly half of your Democratic colleagues in the Oversight Committee voted to hold the former president in contest attempt. As a result, you voted no. Congressman, I do want to set aside whether you think the subpoenas are fair. Do you think anyone has the right to ignore a congressional subpoena? No, I do not. And that's why I voted for civil contempt. And I've also said that President Clinton should come before the committee, but he should come after all the files have been released. And he should come in conjunction with Donald Trump. But it's premature, in my view, to hold him in criminal contempt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, brother. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, so. But this is about one thing and one thing only. It is just about the 2026 election. And as, as witnessed here by Chuck Schumer, they say they collected 6 million pages, but they're only releasing 3. What happened to the other 3 million? What's in them? And finally, has every document that mentions the word Trump been released? Yes or no?

[Adam Curry]

We need answers.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's now 42 days and counting that.

[Adam Curry]

The administration has violated the law by.

[John C. Dvorak]

Failing to release all the files. Go do the people's business of New York. Chuck Schumer.

[Adam Curry]

No, his business is what it is, which is getting the Democrats to win. They just want another little election in Texas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, did that the Christian Socialist. Did he get in?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's an interesting guy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, he's a socialist and he's a Democrat.

[John C. Dvorak]

His Christianity is also a little wonky. Jesus is a concept. Okay. All right.

[Adam Curry]

So your clips outshine my two Scott Simon clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I know why you're saying it that way. Which means we're probably gonna have to play the jingle. You want to play the. Your Scott Simon clips or not? Oh, here we go.

[Adam Curry]

There we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Simon. All right.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so here we go. This. These are again, by comparison to what you dug up from the, Especially the BBC clips, which were outstanding. Thank you. These are just kind of what NPR has got to say. The Justice Department says it has finished.

[John C. Dvorak]

Releasing the Epstein files Friday morning.

[Adam Curry]

Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said another.

[John C. Dvorak]

3 million pages were published with respect to certain materials, a large quantity of the materials. A rigorous process was undertaken to protect victims against any clearly unwarranted invasion of their personal privacy. But a team of NPR reporters reviewing the files have found that's not always the case. Political reporter Stephen Fowler is one of those reporters and joins us. Stephen, thanks for being with us. Good morning. What has been released, there are more than 2,000 videos, 180,000 images. You've got internal files about Epstein's criminal cases and court documents, private files from his emails and text messages with people. And like the other releases, these files have no sense of organization or context and are often heavily redacted. That said, we did find examples of Epstein's victim, victims names and photographs being unredacted. In some cases, texts that Epstein sent, his name was redacted. And we even found a picture of President Trump's face in a news article hiding behind a black square. Oh, no. Kendall is great. This is like, people are paid now to just sit there for NPR and go through all that. Oh, I found a picture of Trump. He's been redacted. Something's up. Was he making a funny face? Something's up. Something's up.

[Adam Curry]

All of that.

[John C. Dvorak]

People have to understand that we are counterculture. So, you know, when. When everything was, Obama's great, we're going now. He's probably not great. Let's go find out. You know, everyone hates Trump. And so, like, yeah, we'll take a look and see what's up. Up. We're counterculture. But people, you know, it's like, well, there's got to be something in these Epstein files. 20 years going on. 20 years teaches us, no, that's just not going to be. It's. It's easy to see yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're right. There's nothing going on. It's going to be, you know, there'll be a few little tidbits like the Bill Gates thing and, and Musk begging to go to a wild party, because why wouldn't he?

[John C. Dvorak]

You're Elon Musk. Yeah, and my.

[Adam Curry]

And my wife got a bunch of babies out there. I want to go to a wild party to get some more moms.

[John C. Dvorak]

All of that being processed. Anything new and noteworthy you found so far? Yeah, well, looking through the chaos, we did find new conversations with high profile figures and. And Thomas Massey. Thomas Massie certain about it? Thomas Massie is being primaried. He needs this. This is a godsend for Thomas Massie. That's why he's on this. You think Thomas Massie, really? This is what, he wakes up in the middle of the night. Oh, man, I gotta find this corruption amongst which no way he wants to stay in office. Years that are deeper and in some.

[Adam Curry]

Cases more recent than we knew before.

[John C. Dvorak]

People like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, former Obama White House counsel Kathy. Rubbish. Even Trump's new Federal Reserve chair pick, Kevin Warsh, shows up on an invite list for a Christmas gathering in 2010. This is important to note, though, that mentions and conversations in this file are not indications of wrongdoing or association with Epstein's crimes. That's also true for an email in the files that contain a collection of unverified allegations of salacious and inappropriate conduct by Trump and others. The Justice League department pointed to a press release that says files may include, quote, untrue and sensationalist claims against President Trump. By the way, And I said it. I caught myself too late.

[Adam Curry]

I caught. I didn't catch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Caught myself late. Caught myself late. Yes, yes. This is grand jury testimony. There's tons of outrageous claims that are sent to the NYPD and FBI. And even they're like, like, really? I mean, okay, well, we'll take the, you know, and then I was abducted by an alien. Ok, okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's that too. And it's probably in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's grand jury. Grand jury. As they say, a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich or Don Lemon. I mean, either way, this is what grand jury. This is why grand jury testimony is never published, except in this one case where they created a law in Congress. Said, you have to release that because it all, you know, it's not like there's no defense. It's just people listen.

[Adam Curry]

Allegations. There's no cross examination.

[John C. Dvorak]

No cross examination. Yeah, I think we should would indict this guy. That's how it goes.

[Adam Curry]

Three million pages is a lot for you and other reporters to go through.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you've been looking for. Well, my job. Scotch. What I. Shaft to shoe.

[Adam Curry]

Coming days.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our initial dive has found a trove of information that is already out there in court cases and early releases of the files. But there's so much left to explore from Epstein's private correspondence, financial documents, and other communications that widened the web of Epstein's associates. Beyond the files themselves, though, attention is.

[Adam Curry]

Turning to what isn't there.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Epstein Files Transparency act directs the Justice Department to share with Congress all of the redactions they made and why.

[Adam Curry]

Within the next two weeks.

[John C. Dvorak]

And they said that covers about 200,000 pages worth. We've also already seen displeasure from victims who say their names were exposed while other people who committed abuse were left protected, and from members of Congress who say the Trump administration has not followed the law. And in a way, publishing 3 million.

[Adam Curry]

Files like this, in this manner just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Makes closure and finality even less likely.

[Adam Curry]

For everybody involved here.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was the whole point.

[Adam Curry]

They released 3 million, and now they say that's not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did it wrong. You did it wrong.

[Adam Curry]

This is like the joke about, you know, the food at this restaurant is so bad. Yeah. And the portions are so small. It's just like, you can't win with these people.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's great because worldwide, people are showing up in the. In these documents. Marco Attesari. He is the son of Marty Atasari, Finland's former president, and he's on some tech company, some satellite company. You know, he has to come out, make a statement. Jeffrey Epstein's criminal conduct and the convictions related to him are grave and unequivocal. Condemnable. I have had no personal, professional relationship with him. It's like, this is exactly what you get from this. The guy was a money guy. He was a money guy. He was laundering money.

[Adam Curry]

Massive networking guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was.

[Adam Curry]

And he was being aided by one or more intelligence agencies. Obviously.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. As a lot of money guys are.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody. I mean, it's a miracle we didn't meet. I almost did, by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I actually did that. Let me just check. Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

Very close.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you came close to meeting Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, very close. Oh, I was invited to one of the events, A party.

[John C. Dvorak]

You invited to a party?

[Adam Curry]

No, I was invited to somebody. A third party's party that had Epstein as a guest who was horning in on it. And I could have gone to it, but in my. I Like, to joke about it, because this classic. I would. I don't want to make myself a legend, but the classic Dvorak, you are a legend, man. It was like, I'm here, sitting here in, you know, in Northern California, and they. There's. Oh, yeah, you want to come to this disability dinner? All these famous guys. You were going to have all the CEOs, and. And then I found it later. Epstein was there. It was done by my.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, your agent. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. And it was in Monterey. And I'm looking at the clock. I'm looking at what's tv. Should I drive? I'm staying home. Forget it. This, like, camera, you know, I've done this with it, with trips on airplanes. I'm calling in. I'm not going.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dukes of Hazzard is on. I have no desire to go.

[Adam Curry]

I have no. What do I want to drive to Monterey for? Who cares? I meet a bunch. I've met these guys before. They're just. Doesn't do me any good. I've made no money from the experience. What difference does it make?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, that is it right there. I make no money from the experience.

[Adam Curry]

What difference does it make? Sure you meet some famous guys. What do you get out of it? Oh, I. Oh, I met so and so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, moving on to Don Lemon, because I do have a couple things I want to discuss regarding this, mainly the horrible education we have in our country. And to start it off, congratulating you because, you know, you brought up the obvious point that Don Lemon's producers were handling him and he was inserted into.

[Adam Curry]

This op was a CI and I almost predicted to the day when they'd arrest him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, very close. Yep. Hey, how come we didn't do a prop bet? We could have written a contract on Kelsey.

[Adam Curry]

We could have written a contract. That would have been a good prop bet.

[John C. Dvorak]

So let's just talk about this for a second because there's all kinds of fun people around this. And again, education in our country is very, very sad. Former CNN journalist Don Lemon has been arrested in connection with an incident at a Minnesota church. Attorney General Pam Bondi made the announcement this morning. On January 18, Lemon attended a protest that disrupted a service at city's church in St. Paul. The protesters said one of the pastors is the acting field director of the St. Paul Ice Field office. Bondi said Lemon and three others were arrested in connection with the, quote, coordinated attack on City's church. Lemon's attorney said today that the journalist was taken into custody by federal agents while he was in Los Angeles, covering the Grammy Awards. The attorney called Lemon's arrest a, quote, unprecedented attack on the First Amendment. So we're gonna talk about the First Amendment in a minute, but the first thing we need to do is recognize that Don Lemon has never been a journalist. Don Lemon is a newsreader. That is what he's always been. Maybe some entertainment interviews where he was an interviewer, but can you remember where he was ever a journalist and collecting news and sorting.

[Adam Curry]

I don't remember ever doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, of course not, because he's not.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, he's an entertainer.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was fired when he couldn't. When he wasn't getting along with the two ladies on that, you know, that morning show. What was the. What was the name?

[Adam Curry]

Well, he brought in somebody. He made the. His commentary was that women. Some women get too old for. He had ages. Sexist joke. It wasn't a joke. It was a dead serious comment he made about, don't you think women are too old to do something or other? And it was. I'm sure we could dig up the exact quote. But it got him fired.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And it was an entertainment show. He wasn't. He wasn't doing. If anything, CNN is analysis, but it's not. It's not journalism in the class.

[Adam Curry]

You want to call that analysis? Yeah, it's a propaganda front.

[John C. Dvorak]

So coming right out to defend Don Lemon and his First Amendment rights, which is a gross misrepresentation of what all of the Bill of Rights are, is the closely associated with all kinds of intelligence, Jane Fonda, who, at 88, I have to say, man, she's spry. She's, you know, all the work she has. Good work has been done on her, and I'm just impressed with her just jumping up and down and running up and down steps.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she's. Well, she's always been in good shape. Shape. She had a couple bones removed. She had that. Yeah, she had. She's one of those people that had a couple of those ribs removed to make her, you know, shape to hang in there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, really? Is that a fact? Do you know this for a fact?

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I'm. I. I know. I think Dolly Parton did, too. It's not an uncommon procedure.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, anyway. And she deserves props for being 88 and. And as spry.

[Adam Curry]

She still sounds like, you know, this spot. This is kind of annoying to me, these women. Elizabeth Taylor was the worst case example. She got into, I think, into her 80s, but she had. So she had. Now, there was good plastic surgery, which I think Is rare.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but the rest of her body gave out.

[Adam Curry]

And bad plastic surgery. Elizabeth Taylor had, I think, pretty good plastic surgery. So she looks like she was in her 40s or 50s when she was 80. Yeah, but then she would go on a talk show and looking like a 40 year old woman and sounding. When I was a kid. Fiddlesticks. And Jane Fonda has the same element of being an old woman when she talks that Elizabeth Taylor did.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not quite as bad. I have a clip, so I know.

[Adam Curry]

Don Lemon, my husband, created cnn.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that the one? She abandoned Ted Turner. Didn't she abandon.

[Adam Curry]

I think Ted Turner died on her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, no, she'd already divorced him, I think.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, let's look into it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's ask.

[Adam Curry]

But yeah, well, she marries Ted Turner, becomes a Republican, and you know, this woman is one of these flip floppers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Was Jane Fonda still married to Ted Turner when he died? Ted Turner is still alive. No, he's not. He and James. What? What? Robot, you're wrong. Ted Turner is dead. What are you talking about?

[Adam Curry]

Is.

[John C. Dvorak]

I apologize for the misunderstanding, but according to my current information, Ted Turner is still alive. He and Jane Fonda divorced in 2000. All right, Google. Is there something specific you were wondering about? No, I'm not wondering about anything after that. Answ.

[Adam Curry]

Was Ted Turner still alive or not?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, he's not alive. He died. He died of Alzheimer's, I think. Horrible, horrible, slow death.

[Adam Curry]

Well, what. Let's look this up. We got. Now we're stuck here with the, with this conundrum, with this damn robot telling us that we. Something we don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Robot. Are you sure Ted Turner.

[Adam Curry]

Well, let's look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Created CNN and Turner Networks, is alive? Yes, I am sure Ted Turner, the founder of CNN and Turner Broadcasting, is still alive today. There seems to be a persistent misconception, but he is not deceased. You know, maybe it's true. Maybe he's still alive.

[Adam Curry]

Looking it up. I don't see anything. He's dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I, I, I'm sorry. The, the, the news of Ted Turner's death has been greatly exaggerated. Is the robot right?

[Adam Curry]

I think the robot is right. I'm not seeing any evidence of his being dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was so sure he was dead.

[Adam Curry]

I was too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Anyway, in fact.

[Adam Curry]

So when you go to Google, they even have it. Is Ted Turner still alive? You know something there, it's the Mandela effect. Here it is still alive. It was January 2025. As of January 2025.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

He's 86 recuperating at a rehabilitation center by being hospitalized from pneumonia.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

And he has Lewy body.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's bad. That's. Well, I'm sorry, Ted. Sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's gonna lie.

[John C. Dvorak]

He is.

[Adam Curry]

Has.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the robot rules. The robot has done a good job. The robot has saved us from embarrassment.

[Adam Curry]

I'm kind of irked the fact that I thought he was dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I know Don Lemon, my husband.

[Adam Curry]

Created cnn, and I will fight for their right to speak, which is guaranteed in our Constitution.

[John C. Dvorak]

Correct? That's correct. That part is correct. Jane Fonda. I just want to read the First Amendment. Congress shall make.

[Adam Curry]

Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's important because everyone is doing this wrong. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, such as crucifarianism, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, which means. That's Congress, that's the government. Or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press. And just to put that into context, when this was written, the press literally meant the press, the printing press. Am I correct on this, John?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it did refer to the news, to news, to news reporting via the press. That's where the case. The word came from the press. The press came from that word.

[John C. Dvorak]

Because once, whether it's the pamphlet, a pamphleteer, or the New York Times would.

[Adam Curry]

Be the same thing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. So. But you have the right to say and publish and print whatever you want. Of course, there are tort laws, and that is correct. But that's not what Don Levin was doing.

[Adam Curry]

They arrested the wrong Don.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's a good line.

[Adam Curry]

Don Lemon is a professional journalist and his producer were doing their job, nothing more, nothing less. And he's been arrested, and they'll make up all kinds of defamatory things to say about him. That's what they're doing. This is how autocrats act. We can't fall for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have to speak up. When a red line is crossed like.

[Adam Curry]

This, we cannot be silent. Thank you very much.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now, wasn't Jane Fonda involved in all kinds of agency antics, certainly regarding Vietnam? I mean, she was involved in a lot of different. Hanoi Jane.

[Adam Curry]

She used to go to Vietnam and preach for the Vietnam.

[John C. Dvorak]

For the Communists. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a Communist.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now we have.

[Adam Curry]

And then she was married to Tom Hayden, who was a radical out of the University of California, Berkeley. And he was an ugly, too.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's weird.

[Adam Curry]

And so she married this guy, and they were. They were cohorts.

[John C. Dvorak]

But, you know, when. No, no, let's just stop when you're Jane Fonda, at a certain point you think, well, maybe if I just get this ugly guy, he'll just love me, you know, and he'll just. He'll just stick with me and won't be a douchebag because he feels so. Feel so lucky, I think. How many times you've been married? Five times. Four or five times. Who?

[Adam Curry]

Jane Fonda.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not even going to ask the robot because we're going to get it all wrong. No doubt.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't want to guess. Well, she's been. Well, you know, she was married to Hayden and maybe somebody else, and I don't know, we could look it up. I'm going to look it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, stop being. We can't. We're starting to act like podcasters.

[John C. Dvorak]

We now go to a First Amendment lawyer on abc.

[Adam Curry]

Tonight's Social Story.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's where we post three stories on social media, and you decide which story we cover. This week's choices were Don Lemon's release and federal charges, Catherine o' Hara's lasting legacy, and the changes coming to SNAP food benefits. With 47% of the vote, you chose.

[Adam Curry]

The Department of Justice's case against Don Lemon.

[John C. Dvorak]

I find this amazing. So, 47. The choices were Catherine O', hare, great actress. She passed away very young. 72, I believe. Snap change is coming to SNAP benefits, which just two months ago was the most important thing in the entire universe. But no, the number one story for ABC viewers is Don Lemon.

[Adam Curry]

According to a court indictment, Lemon and others are now facing federal charges in connection with a protest disrupting a church.

[John C. Dvorak]

Service in St. Paul, Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

You can't disrupt the church services. The Face Act.

[John C. Dvorak]

Listen to the First Amendment. Lawyer and independent journalist Georgia Fort, who was also arrested, have been released from custody.

[Adam Curry]

Lemon says he is not guilty, and.

[John C. Dvorak]

He and his attorney plan to fight the case.

[Adam Curry]

Here to break this down is First Amendment lawyer Jeff Lewis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeff, administration officials say they're actually protecting the First Amendment rights of the worshippers at the church where the protests happen. What do you make of the government's case here? Which, by the way, I disagree. I said it again. Man, I gotta stop doing that. I had to catch myself. Now I disagree.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm. I'm. Did this, by the way. I've said this for the last year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just said by the way again.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, my God. But by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, I'm going to say it enough times to get it out of my system. If I say it too much, it'll be even better. But I've noticed over the years that you are better at this, at catching yourself. You're more professional than I am, and I proved it right there. And so I'm gonna be the one holding the bag when this is done because I'm gonna still be saying it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And it's all right. You've gotta stop me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Every time I gotta stop the show, I'm stopping myself. Stopping the show for myself. I just wanted to point out that protesters interrupting the church service is not. It's not a violation of their First Amendment right, which is not a right. It is a God given right. Because the only thing in the First Amendment says that Congress can make a law against right. So it's not. It's. This is what I. This pisses me off.

[Adam Curry]

I know this. This is bull crap. They don't even. Why don't they bring it to what it is really about, which is the Face Act.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're not going to do.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he violated. That's the law that he broke. They. Why don't they talk about that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they are all missing their.

[Adam Curry]

No, no over you. I assume that they're missing. No, they're doing this on purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no, no. Even the First Amendment lawyer gets it wrong. Listen to this nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the government is right in the sense that on purpose.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nah.

[Adam Curry]

Last year, between the rights of citizens to enter and exit a house of worship and pray without interruption.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, that Face act, yes, but not the First Amendment.

[Adam Curry]

That right. And the right of journalists to report.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the news, to gather the news.

[Adam Curry]

To show to America what's happening in Minnesota. Those are in conflict in.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is not true.

[Adam Curry]

This is. This is insincere. You think this guy's sincere.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's continue.

[Adam Curry]

Let's get down to brass tacks here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you think this could ever get to trial? Well, let's.

[Adam Curry]

Let's talk about that. Three judges have looked at these criminal charges before a grand jury, indicted Don Lemon and those three judges all declined to force criminal charges here.

[John C. Dvorak]

So in that Democrat judges.

[Adam Curry]

I would expect that it not to go to trial.

[John C. Dvorak]

If a judge ever has a chance.

[Adam Curry]

To dismiss this case case.

[John C. Dvorak]

And let's say it does go to trial.

[Adam Curry]

Does the Justice Department have a strong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Case here or is this mostly symbolic? It depends on how you measure the.

[Adam Curry]

Objectives of the administration. If administration's objectives are to get a criminal conviction conviction and get Don Lemon in jail, I don't think there's a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Strong Chance of that. On the other hand, if they want.

[Adam Curry]

To punish Don Lemon and have him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Have to spend money on attorney's fees, that could be viewed as a success.

[Adam Curry]

And as to the merits of the case.

[John C. Dvorak]

Case. The prosecution would have to prove that.

[Adam Curry]

Don Lemon entered that church with the intent to either destroy property or interrupt services in a way that impinges on constitutional rights.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, Big Hill. No. It's the Face Act. In fact, the indictment itself mentions the grand jury report. I'm sorry. Specifically points out the Face Act. And it was like, well, you can read it for yourself. But this is what this result here are. I'm just bringing this up. We'll get back to Lemon. But this is Colorado students cutting class to go protest against ice. And I just bring it up.

[Adam Curry]

Or did. Were they cutting class or were they sent out by the.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the teachers cutting class? They were cutting class.

[Adam Curry]

Well, because around the Bay Area, elsewhere, they were released by the. By the school. Yeah. Come on, let's. Come on, kids.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's go protest the issue, and we'll get back to Don Lemon. But this is. Is about the First Amendment, the right of the people to peaceably assemble. The government shall not disallow that or make any law against it. But listen to these students who all seem to be around 15, 16 years old. It is atrocious how poorly they understand just the basic civics of the United States that they are born and live in. And this is a condemnation of our education system. Homeschool right away, before first period even started.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's still unexcused absences. They're still gonna mark our work missing. These students made a decision to show up here in a field outside Denver's North High School, to say that we're.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not gonna sit around and let it happen.

[Adam Curry]

The walkouts are part of a national.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wave of protests tied to immigration enforcement.

[Adam Curry]

And ICE activity, especially after the killings.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Renee Goode and Alex Preddy Israel. Just, like, so maddening to me. Like, it makes me angry in my.

[Adam Curry]

Core, because there's absolutely no reason for that to have happened.

[John C. Dvorak]

These kids walked.

[Adam Curry]

I saw some posts from friends at north about, like, a protest and walking to the Capitol. I think we're expecting around 50 students, or hopefully more.

[John C. Dvorak]

By the time they reached the Capitol.

[Adam Curry]

There were more than 50 thousands of students from around the state who decided.

[John C. Dvorak]

Showing up here mattered more than a day in class. People are scared in our community, and.

[Adam Curry]

We really wanted to take a stand against that. And I know that while it's not here right now, it very well could be. And to be part of this movement feels just like I'm doing my job as a citizen. Teachers protested by not showing up too. Aurora Public schools in Adams. 14 school districts closed. Denver Public Schools delayed start times all because of unexpected staff absences.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just like a matter of human and civil rights rights, and I think.

[Adam Curry]

That'S something that we all should stand for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Many of these students aren't old enough.

[Adam Curry]

To vote, but today, this is how they say they're using their voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm really proud to see this many students taking a stand for what they believe in. This is us using our First Amendment rights, which were created for this very purpose. No, no, no. This is so disappointing. These rights were not created for this very purpose. You have these rights rights. The First Amendment is not a right. It is against government interference with your literally God given rights as it says in the Constitution. But here, this guy takes the cake. Harvey Levin. We don't really play much from tmz, but Harvey Levin, whose entire business exists because of his First Amendment right, as he would say, has such a gross misunderstanding of it. So the Trump administration wonders why people are saying that they are trying to form a dictatorship. Well, look at the landscape. Arresting Don Lemon, who covered a protest in Minneapolis, is just insane, ridiculous dictator like. This is the playbook that dictators use to destroy democracies and take the will of the people away. It is as simple as that. The First Amendment is the First Amendment for a reason. It is considered the preferred amendment when you have to start balancing what's more important. The framers of the Constitution knew that a free press was essential. This is where he goes off the rails already.

[Adam Curry]

You know, this is ridiculous. Besides the fact that Harvey Levin hates Trump, let's start with that premise. And he should preface everything he says with I don't know what I'm talking about. I hate Trump, but here I go.

[John C. Dvorak]

But he immediately goes to free press. Like free speech. No, there's no such thing as a free press. In fact, there's nothing free press because it's all behind the paywall these days. There's no free press. You got to pay for it all.

[Adam Curry]

Boom.

[John C. Dvorak]

So now he's like, instead of the right to publish without interference from the government, which is exactly what the Biden administration did with the social networks. They didn't create a law, but they did a bridge speech.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, they were. They were the bad actors. And I say to some extent, Obama.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did similar things, but it's not free press. The framers of the Constitution knew that a free press was essential to a democracy. Without a free press, you don't have a democracy. And it's real clear that Donald Trump and company doesn't want a free press. The idea that a journalist, which Don Lemon has been for 30 years and newsreader, would walk into a church and film a demonstration which is of national interest, and then to say somehow when you watch the video, they say he's part of the protest. Watch that video. He is covering the protest. He is covering it. That's what journalists do. No, what journalists do is they go and read the grand jury report, which is very clear that he. He was trespassing, that he was a part of the operation, he was a part of the.

[Adam Curry]

Part of the planning.

[John C. Dvorak]

He was a part of the planning, he was part of the briefing. He violated the face act. That, and he was live streaming the whole setup. Don't tell anybody. We don't want to tell anyone where we are because, you know, this operation is about to take place. That's not the work of a journalist. The journalist.

[Adam Curry]

No, this is like the best analogy, which I did not heard on the mainstream, is the following. Following. I get involved with a bank robbing crew.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And so we go rob a bank and I'm. I'm interviewing the people. What. How you feel there on the ground with a gun pointed at your head. How's it going? Oh, I don't like it. It makes me very nervous. I feel the same way. If I were you. And then you take the mic around to the tellers. Are you giving him all the money? You give him all. Okay, I got it, I got it. And so then you go out with the. And you got into the getaway car and go off with the bank robbery members. You got nothing to do with it. Are you kidding me? You were part of a bank robbing crew.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And he. And the evidence is on his live stream. He was live streaming the whole trip all the way there and kept on saying, we can't talk about this because we don't want to disturb the.

[Adam Curry]

By the way, what you're saying about that said, by the way, I think that, you know, if you, if, if they really wanted to do something to Don Lemon, there's conspiracy involved because this is a conspiracy. The way he presented it, he has the documentation for the whole thing, and they're not going to tell anybody what's going on. And he's working with them. If this was serious and he was really not just an informant, confidential informant, they would Throw the conspiracy book at him. And nobody's mentioned that. So I think that I still stick with my theory.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, Conspiracy did not.

[Adam Curry]

You can get a lot of jail time for conspiracy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Continue. On the morning of January 18, all of the defendants got in vehicles, traveled with their co conspirators of which Lemon is. Is actually, I guess that does charge conspiracy to the church to engage in the planned takeover style operation. While en route to the church, defendant Richardson told defendant Lemon they had to catch up to the other others. And defendant Lemon replied, let's go. Catch up. And because he was still live streaming, Lemon instructed Richardson and an unidentified male, don't give anything away. And advise his audience. We can't say too much. We don't want to give it up. Yes, that is. And then they keep mentioned he's not. There's no charge of conspiracy. The charge of trespassing and violation.

[Adam Curry]

I don't think there will be. Because they want to give. Theoretically based on the thesis, they want to give him some time in jail so he can get his street cred back and said he'd been in. He's been, you know, I was in the hole. I mean, he wants to be able to go in the shoe.

[John C. Dvorak]

I was in the shoe.

[Adam Curry]

He wants to be able to go back as. As a black man who's been in jail. I've been in jail. I know what it's like.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wrap it up with Harvey Lemon. Harvey Lemon.

[Adam Curry]

Harvey Lemon. You got it. You nailed it. We got it. Harvey Lemon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Harvey Lemon. Here's Harvey Lemon. And his true nature comes out. Of course, Trump administration should be ashamed of itself, but they're not. And they will continue to do this. And they are going after journalists. They're getting search warrants for their homes. It is obvious what's happening. Another thing, the First Amendment does not actually protect your sources. It does not. You know, there's no.

[Adam Curry]

It doesn't. That's just a gentleman's agreement.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there's certain states that have specific laws against protection of sources.

[Adam Curry]

But certainly Obama threw journalists in jail. Obama went after all these guys. They had subpoenas and all the rest and search warrants. What is it? How come we have forgotten about Obama?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because this guy hates Trump and listen to him compare Trump to Hitler. It is obvious what's happening in this country. People look at what is happening. You're going to look back in two years if somebody doesn't stand up to them. And I know people are now, but you're going to look back in two years and say, wow, we didn't see that coming. Well, Neville Chamberlain should have saw it coming, and he didn't. He screws up the punchline. But what he's trying to say here is Neville Chamberlain, famous for his appeasement, and let's just. Just take it easy. Let's do a deal with Hitler. This is what he's trying to compare him to, and he blows the punchline.

[Adam Curry]

And we don't want to be in the punchline. That's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He can't even pronounce Neville. Neville should have saw it coming, and he didn't, and we don't want to be in that position. So wise up, everybody, because it's obvious what's happening here. This is an outrage. It's an outrage. No, it's not. What Lemon did is an outrage. And this has nothing. Nothing to do with. What you don't hear is, you know, they're rousting the wrong people. No, no. It's just about Trump 2026. Republicans get him out when we're back in power, said Scott. Professor Scott. Yeah, There will be Nuremberg trials. People are crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Let me see. They have anything. Yeah, I actually had.

[Adam Curry]

I think that's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have one more. I didn't get anything on George Stephanopoulos. Clip is worth it with the AG. Todd. Todd Epstein. Blanchett.

[Adam Curry]

I also want to ask you about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The situation in Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

Just this week, Don Lemon was arrested.

[John C. Dvorak]

The journalist Don Lemon was arrested along with another.

[Adam Curry]

The journalist. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, I got that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stephanopoulos wouldn't. Wouldn't piss against Don Lemon. Until today, he would have called Don Lemon a newsreader himself.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he would have. And he wore a douchebag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now it's like. Or the journalist Don Lemon.

[Adam Curry]

I also want to ask you about.

[John C. Dvorak]

The situation in Minnesota. Just this week, Don Lemon was arrested. The journalist Don Lemon was arrested along with another independent journalist, and.

[Adam Curry]

He was.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was despite the fact that a magistrate judge in an appeals court refused.

[Adam Curry]

To approve the request.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the chief Federal District Judge, Patrick.

[Adam Curry]

Schiltz, wrote that there was no evidence that Mr.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lemon engaged in any criminal behavior or.

[Adam Curry]

Conspired to do so.

[John C. Dvorak]

So when do you believe that Mr. Lemon crossed the line from reporting on.

[Adam Curry]

What was going on to criminal activity?

[John C. Dvorak]

Conveniently missing from what you just showed, George, is the appellate court, and a judge on the appellate court who said. Said just a few days later, there.

[Adam Curry]

Was clearly probable cause, and it wasn't.

[John C. Dvorak]

Even a close question.

[Adam Curry]

So.

[John C. Dvorak]

And by the way, a grand jury, which is what our system has set up to Determine whether probable cause exists, concluded that there was probable cause. That indictment is now public. Everybody in this country can pull it.

[Adam Curry]

Up and read for themselves.

[John C. Dvorak]

I read it and see what the grand jury found that Mr. Lemon did. I am not going to comment on the charges specifically because it's not appropriate. It's interesting that. That we talk about the First Amendment right. You have a right of freedom of religion, which is just as important as any other right that we have. This is the deputy attorney general. You have the right of freedom of religion. No, you have a natural right of freedom of religion. The government can't make a law against. This is the number two guy in justice. These people are all sick.

[Adam Curry]

They suck.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not appropriate. But it's interesting that we talk about the First Amendment right. You have a right of freedom of religion. Religion, which is just as important as any other right that we have. And, George, I don't know if you've watched the videos or read the indictment about what it's alleged that Mr. Lemon did, but if anybody in this country thinks that that is, quote, independent journalism, I would like to have a conversation with you. Now. He obviously has a very good lawyer. He can raise defenses in court to the extent he wants to. But nobody in this country should feel comfortable storming, forming into a church while it's ongoing and disrupting that church service and thinking that we're just going to stand by and let that happen, because there is a statute that does not allow that to happen. There it is. It doesn't matter if you happen to be a former CNN journalist. It doesn't matter if you're a rioter. It doesn't matter if you think you're peacefully protesting. You are not allowed to do that. Okay. Instead of saying face act, he kind of weasels it in at the end there, there. But it's just. I'm a broken record. I'm just sick of how people treat the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as if the government gave us something.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That is the problem. They didn't give us. The idea is that they didn't give us anything. They are prohibited from taking things away.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I think this will be called the lemon test in the future. I think there already was a lemon test, wasn't there? Isn't there something called for cars, I.

[Adam Curry]

Think has to do with cars.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lemon test. No, no, no.

[Adam Curry]

The lemon test. To do with fragrance.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, the lemon test is there. The lemon test was. I knew that I was right about this. Was. In fact, this is kind of meta. When you think about it. Let me just ask this. Let me ask the robot here for a second. Second. Give me a brief synopsis of the Lemon Test. The Lemon Test is a judicial standard used by the US Supreme Court to determine if a law or government action violates the establishment clause of the Constitution. It has three the action must have a secular legislative purpose, must not primarily or significantly advance or inhibit religion, and must not foster an excessive government entanglement with religion. This is kind of meta. You get Don Lemon.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it's funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that interesting?

[Adam Curry]

Very meta.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Hmm. We'll have the Lemon test. About the Lemon test. Anyway, I'm just disappointed. I'm disappointed. That's the one cool thing we have in America is our Constitution. We got the Bill of Rights, and even the school children are just incorrectly taught and instructed as to how this works. They don't know. No wonder we're in trouble. No wonder we're in trouble, man.

[Adam Curry]

That's the idea. Yes, the idea. You don't want to teach these kids about anything.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's obviously a conspiracy.

[Adam Curry]

Make them dumb.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly. Make them dumb. Yep. And we now have our second generation, which, according to you in the newsletter, is because they're crazy cat ladies.

[Adam Curry]

Hey, I have a clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Was it toxoplasmicity? No, toxoplasm. What's the. What's the.

[Adam Curry]

Well, when you have the condition, it's called toxoplasmosis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, toxoplasmosis.

[Adam Curry]

But it's caused by bacteria, and they found that new research indicates. And this is about the.

[John C. Dvorak]

This.

[Adam Curry]

This is interesting because in the newsletter, I point out that we never used to have house cats before 1920. The idea of a house cat, a cat in the house, was disgusting. And toxoplasmosis comes from cat poop. And 30% of the American public seems to have incidence of it. And it turns out, the research now says. I said turns out too many times. And the research now says that it may cause anger issues, possibly schizophrenia. It may be responsible for all schizophrenia, for all we know. But it's becoming an issue. And it's no coincidence that the liberal. That everyone's bitching and moaning about the liberal white ladies. Oh, there's liberal white ladies. And they're all cat ladies. And they all have lots of cats and they have toxoplasmosis. They all have it. More and more studies are hinting that our brains might not be completely our own. The parasites are Toxoplasma gondii. Toxo for short, may be changing human Behavior, perhaps even making us angrier and more aggressive. Toxo is one of those frightening parasites capable of controlling its hosts. It reproduces in the stomachs of cats, and it's always trying to get back inside one. So when an animal, usually a mouse or rat, becomes infected through contact with cat poo, the parasite gets into the rodent's brain and literally rewires it. Basically, it makes its host fall in love with cats, so it'll go find one and get eaten. Humans can contract the parasite, too, through eating unwashed vegetables or undercooked meat, and obviously through cat poop. But while it can pose problems for pregnant women or people with weakened immune systems, it's generally not considered a threat to human health. That's lucky, because Toxo is incredibly common. Around a third of people in the world and more than one in five in the US Are infected. And the vast majority never suffer any ill effects. At least that's what we thought. Over the past decades, studies have linked Toxo to higher rates of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression, suicide attempts, risk taking, impulsiveness, and now a grand. A recent study found people with a parasite score higher on anger and aggression tests. And people with anger disorders are twice as likely to have the parasite than you'd expect from chance alone.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is a good clip. Where'd you get that from?

[Adam Curry]

Scripps.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I didn't realize it was one in five. I did look up some research and I found that there was an increase for the first time in decades of toxo. I'm just going to call it Toxo. During the lockdowns, everybody was inside with their cat and their cat poop. And it kind of puts an extra bent on this idea that it's okay to send your kids to school dressed as a cat with a litter box. This is highly concerning.

[Adam Curry]

Highly concerning.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I emailed you when you sent me the draft. I said, I'm sticking with Satan. And you like, is there a difference between cats and Satan? Good line. It's all so bad. There's a lot more play. But the toxo can't be helping. No, it cannot be helping.

[Adam Curry]

And these are cat ladies. You see these ranting women. I like to play the tiktokers that are. Some of them are completely insane. And they're yelling and screaming and you see the cat in the background or the cat making noise, but sometimes the cat walks right in front of the camera. I mean, these are cat ladies. And it's just. I'm telling you, before 1920, there was no such thing as a house cat. People did not have cats in their houses.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tina does not like cats.

[Adam Curry]

Well, she probably doesn't have Toxo.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not.

[Adam Curry]

If she did. If you have Toxo, you like cats.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Howard Stern, there's your prime example. Example. His. His wife. His. His second wife, I guess. I think she.

[Adam Curry]

Cat lady.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I think she's. She saves cats and they sometimes.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, she's a cat rescuer.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have 10 or 20 cats.

[Adam Curry]

At the time when he got into. Together with her is the time he started to switch around. And he's been. He's been hanging around with the cats too. And they probably loaded with Toxo and he got it. And that now all of a sudden, Howard Stern. How did Howard Stern become.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did switch just 180 degrees.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

He went overnight hating the man. To loving Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen. Another Toxo victim. Which is.

[Adam Curry]

That's.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so that's just going to be a new. A new theory for the show. Much like North Sea Nexus, Toxo complex. And we'll just label them Toxo.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. I think I've been. Yeah, I think I. I now not insincere with this thesis. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I take your thesi very, very seriously. Your feces theses. I take it very, very seriously because you are more often. You are right than wrong. And you nailed the Don Lemon arrest. What was the other one? Oh, you know what else you had? Well, I think we both agreed on this. A jury has awarded a detransitioner $2 million.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

In historic medical malpractice suit, including her psychologist and plastic surgeon. Good for a double mastectomy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And so. Yeah, no kidding. But. But that's the.

[Adam Curry]

That toothpaste, that's the beginning of the end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. That toothpaste won't go into. Back into the bottle into the tooth.

[Adam Curry]

I have a clip that has another beginning of an end.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And this is something which brings to mind another issue. This is the Seattle lawsuit, which is worth noting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. A major victory just came down in court for the family of a teenager who was shot and killed in Seattle's chop zone in 2020. A jury just awarded $30 million to the family of Antonio Mays Jr. Good evening.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Molly Shen. And I'm Preston Phillips.

[John C. Dvorak]

The verdict holds the city of Seattle liable for dangerous conditions at the protest zone which was allowed to occupy parts.

[Adam Curry]

Of Seattle for weeks. Cuomo's Jeremy Harris is live this evening at the King County Courthouse. And Jeremy, you were there as that verdict was read. Preston and Molly. It was certainly an emotional moment for Antonio May Sr. This is the end of a five.

[John C. Dvorak]

Year journey to hold the city of.

[Adam Curry]

Seattle accountable for what happened to his son at the CHOP zone.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lawsuit alleged that the city of.

[Adam Curry]

Seattle not only allowed CHOP to exist, but encouraged people to go there and then failed to protect them.

[John C. Dvorak]

After weeks of deliberating, a jury in King county delivered a decisive holding the city of Seattle liable for the death of Antonio Mays Jr. And ordering the city to pay $30 million in damages to his father, Antonio Sr. Justice was served today. Evan Oshan represents Mays family.

[Adam Curry]

How significant is this verdict and why does it matter so much to the family? Well, I think it sends a message and I think the city is accountable. They're held accountable.

[John C. Dvorak]

The lawsuit stems from from this June 2020 shooting in the Capitol Hill occupied.

[Adam Curry]

Protest zone, or CHOP.

[John C. Dvorak]

Several blocks of the city were taken over by protesters during the Black Lives Matter movement. Seattle police were ordered to abandon the east precinct as CHOP organizers held control of the area. Antonio Mays Jr. Had come to CHOP from LA when he and his friend Robert west were both shot while driving a jeep near Cal Anderson Park. At the time, police were prohibited from.

[Adam Curry]

Entering CHOP and there was a major.

[John C. Dvorak]

Delay in getting medical care to Mays who died after being taken to the hospital by civilian CHOP medics. The city claimed it was not liable for the actions of the shooters and had not failed in its responsibility to provide emergency response.

[Adam Curry]

But the jury didn't agree. Yeah, 30 million bucks. This is going to happen in Minneapolis. Those two wrongful death of Preddy and Good are going to be attributed to the management of the city because they didn't put police around there. They could have arrested that guy for kicking out the tail light, for example. And this is going to start happening. This is going to start happening in sanctuary cities and this kind of lawsuit is going to start happening everywhere. This is a great precedent. Now the one little thing that kind of irks me about it is it costs. It's not this. Who's paying this $30 million? Just the taxpayers. I think that the city government, the members of the city government should be held accountable and liable for this money as at least part of it. In the same way that board members of a public corporation are held liable for the actions of the corporation, which does happen. Well, this is the president from years ago. I don't see any reason this shouldn't happen to city councils.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. But them that you have dno Insurance for that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do. And they're going to have to get insurance for these guys too.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So if you're going to be a city council member, you got to pay to be, you know, indemnified against lawsuits. Because these $30 million lawsuits for wrongful death are going to start cropping up in sanctuary cities run by Democrats all over the country. It's not going to be as, you know, like overnight, but you can see the precedent. Boom. Now we can move ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you see that Pritzker was in the Epstein files too?

[Adam Curry]

No, I did not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was something I'm paraphrasing, like, hey, come into town. Maybe we can have some dinner. Let's reconnect. And by the way, Sunday I'm having a dinner with Colbert. Okay, says enough. The common man. Mr. Colbert, did you.

[Adam Curry]

No, I missed that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you hear the latest about the protesters and their signal chats? No, because they've been infiltrated, obviously by.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a number of people that have done that. One girl in particular.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So this clip, I think eight people sent this to me. This is one of these smart toxo affected women who realizes this is a real problem for the organization of these organized protests. But she has a solution. Hey, guys, if you didn't hear signal.

[Adam Curry]

Group chats, Rapid response group chats in Seattle got infiltrated.

[John C. Dvorak]

So did the ones in Minnesota.

[Adam Curry]

We should probably start using ham radios. I'm gonna link a ham radio company that won't break the bank. Here you go. Let's set up some phone trees and figure out some codes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get old school. She's holding up a baofeng. Yeah, because that. That's completely secure and. And illegal.

[Adam Curry]

Who are they kidding? They obviously don't know anything illegal without.

[John C. Dvorak]

A license, which, you know the fines for. For operating ham equipment without a license, that can be pretty severe. They can be up.

[Adam Curry]

You know what they are?

[John C. Dvorak]

I've heard $15,000. It depends on what you're doing.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sure people out there get a license.

[John C. Dvorak]

Definitely.

[Adam Curry]

They're easy to come by. A couple people didn't got a meetup talking about getting their license.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got a renewal. New mine. I gotta do that. It's been 10 years.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, 10 years.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a. There's a grace period though, right?

[Adam Curry]

I think you have a year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there's a real long grace period.

[John C. Dvorak]

Time for me to renew. Yeah, but just do it.

[Adam Curry]

It's pretty simple.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I got it. Let me put that down. Renew ham. Like I'll put This right on my list.

[Adam Curry]

I think it cost 25 bucks or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I think it went up. There was. I heard all the old hand. Hey, man, they're charging an arm and a leg.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on 35 bucks.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm on 80 meters. Oh, man. Charging me 75 bucks to renew my license. Let me turn my beam, throw some kilowatts your way. Yeah, yeah. Ham license is a good thing to have. It's a good thing to have. I was, I just stumbled across this clip of Charles Asher.

[Adam Curry]

You know Charles Asher, Name rings a bell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think he's like some kind of. Let me look him up here for a second. Second Canadian intellectual founder. Oh, he's a anti juga, anti, anti, anti, anti, anti Semite guy. So take that into account. But an elite. But he was talking on a podcast YouTube show about Qatar and. And, you know, just listening to what he had to say about Qatar and how the Muslim Brotherhood, which we're pretty sure was a British invention, that may have gotten a little bit out of hand.

[Adam Curry]

They can't always or may not have.

[John C. Dvorak]

Or may not have kind of put some things into perspective, certainly when it comes to the Pilgrim.

[Adam Curry]

Hamas murdered American citizens and British citizens on October 7th. They kidnapped them. And amazingly, some of the best universities, the Ivy League in the United States, Oxbridge in the United Kingdom, the University of London are turning out some of the brightest, best educated young people, young citizens of democracies, and they're supporting Hamas, they're supporting anti democratic, vulgar terrorists who adhere to a culture of death, who want to destroy democracy, who want us to destroy Britain and France and Italy and Germany and Canada and Australia and the United States. States and young people are being inculcated in this sort of red green alliance of the radical left, which has dominated many of our best universities. And because the radical left wants to get rid of Western hegemony, the Islamists who want to destroy Western hegemony have this bizarre common cause. We call it the Red and Green alliance. So our intellectuals, influenced by Muslim Brotherhood money, are teaching now the second generation of Western citizens to destroy their own country, their own culture.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not all talk, so it's education. And it is true. Qatar funds a lot of universities. The second part to this.

[Adam Curry]

Well, think about it. If we take a step back. Qatar is a country, it's a tiny country in the Middle East. It has less than 350,000 citizens. Tiny country. Qatar is giving more money to British education, to Canadian education, higher education, to American university universities than any country in the world. So why would this tiny, wealthy country give so much money to Western democratic universities? And it's to use soft power to influence it. And the Qataris have a bayah in Islam. A bayah is a spiritual oath to the Muslim Brotherhood. The royal family of Qatar follows all the religious edicts, rulings and fatwas of the Muslim Brotherhood. They basically represent the Brotherhood around the world. World. And we estimate that the Qataris are using up to $1 trillion in assets to use a soft power to buy favor in universities, in our media, in our political leaders, to further their goals and their agenda. So Qatar is at the forefront of basically representing the interests of the Brotherhood, which is basically to destroy democratic countries. So they're giving all this aid. Naively. Many people think they're benevolent and they're doing wonderful work and funding our universities, but essentially they're changing the discourse in the West. So if we take a step back. Hamas, which is the Palestinian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, intent on destroying Israel and Western democratic countries. Hamas, which is anti Semitic, but let's put that aside for a moment. They're anti democratic.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're sexist.

[Adam Curry]

They want to subjugate women, murder gay people and do away with religious minority rights around the world.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. This is the Red Green Alliance. The red Green Alliance. And it makes me wonder, why is Tucker buying a house there? Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Why is Doug that's over there doing that's seminars and then he's gonna buy a house over there?

[John C. Dvorak]

Or maybe he bought one already, I thought.

[Adam Curry]

He says it's beautiful. It's a beautiful country. Bull crap. I've been in the area. It's. The whole place is just a big giant desert. It's hot. They have to. You can't even. They. Even the whole town. Like in Dubai, for example, the town shuts shutters at noon.

[John C. Dvorak]

They have to.

[Adam Curry]

And then doesn't. Can't. Everything closes and you can't go do anything until three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Too hot. Too hot.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. It's 121 30.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's.

[Adam Curry]

Good hummus, though. Good hummus.

[John C. Dvorak]

Great hummus. Let's stay in the region for a second. I keep coming so close, so close with what I predicted the president would say. This is the latest.

[Adam Curry]

Give us an update on where your.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thinking is right now with Iran, if.

[Adam Curry]

You have made a final decision on.

[John C. Dvorak]

What you want to do.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I certainly can't tell you that, but we do have very big, powerful ships heading in that direction, as you know. I can't tell you.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, but I hope.

[Adam Curry]

I hope they negotiate Something that's acceptable.

[John C. Dvorak]

So it's supposed to be big, beautiful ships, but big, powerful ships. I'm getting closer every day. But this, this, we're missing some context here because all of a sudden now it's like, well, they got to do a deal, we got to negotiate. They are negotiating, but what exactly are we neg step back from the brink.

[Adam Curry]

At least for now. Amid the threat of a US Armada taking military action against Iran and Tehran's promise to retaliate, both sides have confirmed they're in talks.

[John C. Dvorak]

Contrary to the hype of the contrived media war, structural arrangements for negotiations are progressing.

[Adam Curry]

While Donald Trump also acknowledged discussions he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Suggested strikes were still possible, Iran's president.

[Adam Curry]

Said a broader conflict would hurt both.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran and the United States, a concern echoed by analysts. Trump can launch an attack and then immediately post a tweet two hours later and say, I finished the job. No, this will definitely lead to an all out war that will harm the interests of many countries. For many, in the streets of Tehran, the victims of a war will be ordinary Iranians. In my opinion, there is no war that is without consequences. And I would say that the people who lose the most in this are the people.

[Adam Curry]

Regional actors have been engaging in diplomatic efforts to prevent war between the two. Qatari Premier Sheikh El Thani, who also.

[John C. Dvorak]

Serves as foreign minister, held talks in.

[Adam Curry]

Iran on Saturday to try to de escalate tensions in the area.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the President is making it sound like it's a nuclear deal, but I don't believe that this has to be about Venezuelan oil or something.

[Adam Curry]

It has to be about oil and China.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, but it's not.

[Adam Curry]

I think oil and China's got to be the solution and the beneficiary, by the way, of the whole thing. Once they get it straightened out, I hope they do, is we can finally get back to bringing in Iranian rugs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, there's lots of good stuff. Macadamia nuts, aren't they? Isn't the macaday Hawaii? Oh, wait, maybe it's pistachios. Pistachios?

[Adam Curry]

Well, we get plenty of pistachios.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, there's some kind of nut. A second robot.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the saffron. They also have good saffron and they have the best of the basmati rice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Robot, what kind of nuts is Iran famous for? Iran is particularly famous for its pistachios, which are a major export. They are also known for other nuts like walnuts and almonds. I told you, pistachios. Yeah, it's a big deal.

[Adam Curry]

Well, you Nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Pistachio. Well, according to the robot. Well, the robot's been spot on.

[Adam Curry]

Robots been right more than we have been today.

[John C. Dvorak]

Speaking of robots. Oh, man. Have you been following this open Claude. The.

[Adam Curry]

A little bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

The. The malt. What do they call it? The Malt book. So I installed this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I figured you would. I didn't want to follow up myself because I figured you'd be on it. Okay, so this is your beat.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I can tell everybody it's not worth it. In essence, what you're doing is installing Claude, you know, The Opus Model 4.5 with a telegram wrapper and a Cron. Cron. Jobs. And it's so stupid. I was expecting, oh, this is going to be great. This thing is going to be. All it does is eat up credit work. I kind of was. I was like, okay, I like this idea. I mean, what it proves is that people are hungry for decentralized, large language models doing stuff for them. Everybody wants a robot, everybody wants an agent. But all this is doing, as far as I can tell, is racking up bills for the idiots who don't know what they're doing installing these things on Digital Ocean and Linode and like, oh, I'll just set this up. And then they give it access to their email, but I don't know how to secure some kind of remote box. So there's 16,000 of these instances have been hacked already. And people are, you know, get your. Get your API keys and all kinds of other stuff, and it's just. It's just another ad. And then they have this social network which you can let your bot, everyone. Oh, my bot's name is Henry. Okay? And then he can talk to other bots and it's all just Claude stuff. Talking to Claude, racking up your bill. And people, oh, this.

[Adam Curry]

This is it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Before you know it, they're going to speak in their secret code language and they're going to create. They're going to take over the world. They took over the Internet. This was. This was trained on Reddit Colossus.

[Adam Curry]

The colossus.

[John C. Dvorak]

This was trained on. On Reddit data. So no wonder it looks like Reddit. A bunch of retards is yapping at each other. It's crazy. Do not get involved in this. This is stupid. Stupid. And YouTube is already feeling the pain of the slop. The advertisers are now saying, hey, YouTube, clean up your slop or we're going to stop advertising. Oops. This is where it starts.

[Adam Curry]

I think there's something like A million a day or something of junk.

[John C. Dvorak]

Two million.

[Adam Curry]

But they can't junk and it's junk. It's, you know, fat JD doing calisthenics. That's how bad it's got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right. Well, the TV advertising. What group is it? Video advertising bureau includes NBC Universal, espn, Sony Pictures. They don't want this saying that, hey, we want our stuff being promoted. We want people to watch our expensive stuff. And you're just rolling out ads on slop. We're not gonna, we're not gonna do it anymore. I think YouTube, I think Google has a problem with this because on one hand you can't be providing the great tools. Tools to make the slop and then not let people publish it or demonetize.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's their kind. It's like, yes, it's hypocritical actually.

[John C. Dvorak]

Catch 22 maybe.

[Adam Curry]

Is it catch 22 or hypocritical one?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, maybe hypocritical is better. I think it's a real problem. And they still can't really do it with podcasting because we don't have algorithms. It's beautiful. Just stick with us, people. Stick with us. Us.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, with the last bastion of reality. Last bastion of reality.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hang in there, people. Hang in with us. All right, what you got? What's this NATO stuff. You want to do the NATO stuff here?

[Adam Curry]

I can do the native stuff or I could do this. I can do. Yeah, let's do the NATO stuff. Although I have these NPR clips from these correspondence trying to summarize the world's events.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, let's do that, let's do that.

[Adam Curry]

Let's do that. Yeah, I think it's. Now they did this, went on for about this, about an hour. Oh, and so I picked out three.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's not that do do that.

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know, I didn't. I picked out three, four short versions of the ones I thought were interesting because everybody had.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's the premise of this hour long show?

[Adam Curry]

So they, they said here's our correspondent that's been living in China for the last year. And so what do you think is going on on the streets regarding the United States and China and the world and how's things changed in your part of the world and that you've noticed and, and you're living there. These are the people, the correspondents that are, you know, you, you get a gig, you work for npr, but you're actually living in Beijing and your day to day life is Beijing. And so you actually do have some, some observations to make. And sorry, wait, we got, there's different ones here and then they're not.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought you queued up China.

[Adam Curry]

I did queue up China, but that's not the one that triggered me to do any of this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

It was actually the NPR year correspondent wrap. This is the Russia one was the I wouldn't have gotten China or any of them, and there's a lot more than I have here. But the Russia one is as soon as I heard the Russia one, I said, okay, I should pit. Let me get some clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

And Charles Mains in Moscow.

[Adam Curry]

How has the past year and these.

[John C. Dvorak]

Changes looked from your patch? No, it's interesting because when Trump came to power in 2016, there were all these big hopes that he might revive relations with Russia. And the line here was that Trump failed only because the deep state or.

[Adam Curry]

Entrenched interests in Washington wouldn't let him.

[John C. Dvorak]

But now what we see is Trump really kind of unleashed.

[Adam Curry]

And so there's been this rollercoaster year here where initially there were these big.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hopes of ending the war in Ukraine largely on Russia's terms. But meanwhile, distracted by Ukraine, Russia suffered all these foreign policy setbacks. Venezuela, of course, being one. It's Russia's ally. And Maduro was, was Putin's ally. But also in Syria, in Iran, what we're seeing happening right now, there's this kind of line here that Russia can't protect its friends. And this humiliation was really amplified by.

[Adam Curry]

The success, I'll put that in quotes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Right now, of Trump's special operation in Venezuela, because what Trump was able to do by taking Maduro, this is what a lot of Russians thought they maybe should have done in Ukraine with Vladimir Zelenskyy.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. That, yeah, they should have. Why didn't they grab Zelensky? He's a troublemaker.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's got nothing, and he's great for sales.

[Adam Curry]

So that was intriguing enough, that China one, I decided this is probably one of the better of the group. There's only three, I noticed. Yeah, there's China. Jennifer, welcome. You're NPR's new China correspondent.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do leaders and people in your region see the changes the past year? Well, to set the scene, Chinese officials.

[Adam Curry]

Have always painted America as a hegemon.

[John C. Dvorak]

A bully, a paper tiger and a hypocrite.

[Adam Curry]

So if we look at trade, for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Example, which has been the biggest sticking point between the US And China this past year, you know, China's rise over the past four decades has been largely thanks to American consumers buying Chinese goods and Also American businesses coming in to.

[Adam Curry]

Invest, setting business standards and passing on their know how.

[John C. Dvorak]

And for the U.S. u.S.

[Adam Curry]

It seemed like it was going fine.

[John C. Dvorak]

When China was manufacturing American design iPhones, for example, or cheap shoes. Not so fine now that China is leading in, you know, future tech. And suddenly they say Americans are calling it, you know, China Shock 2.0. So they're always consistently pointing this out, especially in the Chinese state media. So there was recently this music video generated by AI that was mocking US.

[Adam Curry]

Hypocrisy, reposted by the Chinese. Chinese embassy in the US On X. It's a. It's a cartoon American eagle dressed in.

[John C. Dvorak]

A suit representing America singing. And he says, you know, when we lead, meaning and when America is leading, it's called progress. But when China does it, oh, that's over capacity. Yeah, let's hear it's over capacity for.

[Adam Curry]

People on the ground.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there's been a bit of mixture of both amusement and maybe worry that this world is kind of feeling more surreal. There's a return to the law of the jungle. You know, America just does what it wants. Basically. It's a free for all.

[Adam Curry]

The law of the jungle is what they keep saying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Same time though, I would say on a human level, the people that I talk to quite a lot, if they can afford it, they still really want to send their children or they themselves.

[Adam Curry]

Want to study in the junior US for college. She ends every report with, yeah, I know, it's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that video is dumb.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Unfortunately you couldn't hear it either.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, but you know, of course not, because all of these AI or most of the AI songs, you have to have captions, otherwise you don't know what they're singing. It's so bad.

[Adam Curry]

I agree. And so the last clip of the three that, That I collected is kind of another interesting analysis of this refers to El Salvador and an underlying trend that might be accurate in the way this guy, this guy sees things a little differently than everybody else. And I just thought this was kind of a. Interesting take.

[John C. Dvorak]

The.

[Adam Curry]

The backdrop of all of this that's happening with the UN I feel is. Is a very real disillusioned with not just democracy, but with the big international institutions. I think El Salvador is a perfect example. Right. They have elected a president, Naib Bukele, who, you know, has thrown tens of thousands of people in jail without any due process. And the Salvadorans are like, what do we care about due process? What has the Internet, international, all these international human rights group. What have they gotten us Right. We used to live in fear and now we live in security. Like screw all those international laws and, you know, people trying to protect human rights. Right. And I think, I think that argument has won out in a lot of places, especially in Latin America, where you have huge problems of security. Right. People are being extorted, they're being killed or being kidnapped. Right. And they just want somebody to fix it. And so I feel like the disillusionment with the institutions on the ground is kind of maybe what's also playing out on the world stage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is interesting. And El Salvador, from what I understand. I know a lot of people who've been there. I know people who are building homes there. It's only a couple hours flight from Texas. Yeah, they love it. They love Bukele, who's, I think he's a millennial. Millennial president.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And yeah. Locked up all. I mean, everyone feared for their life. It had the highest, one of the highest per capita murder rates.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Now there's nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now there's nothing.

[Adam Curry]

And what'd you do? You go around, you got a gang, they all have tattoos saying, I'm in this gang.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're done.

[Adam Curry]

No due process, you pick them up, throw them in jail.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this. So this leads me into a clip that I picked up about the un, about one of these fantastic global institutions who are on the brink of going out of business. United nations is facing imminent financial collapse unless changes are made. That was a message from UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres in a three page letter he sent to all 193 member states. The UN is running out of money to pay bills like staff and vendors at headquarters and elsewhere. The reason is multifaceted. About a quarter of member states do not pay their annual assessed dues on time, making it difficult for UN number crunchers to budget. Because of this, typically the UN starts to run out of money by July every year, but is able to pull funds from reserves to cover operational expenses through the summer.

[Adam Curry]

Until more money arrives this year, there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are no reserves to draw from.

[Adam Curry]

It's not hyperbole. The people who handle our finances simply look at the numbers. And over the years we've had to scramble and use whatever funds we have available to keep our operations going once our reserves have dwindled. To this extent, our ability to do that has been undercut. For, for when it comes to paying, it's. It's now or never. We do not have the sort of cash reserves and the sort of liquidity to keep functioning as we've done in previous years. And this is something that the Secretary General has warned with increasing strength each year.

[John C. Dvorak]

The United States, the largest funder, currently has arrears to the UN of about $2.1 billion. Yeah, I know how that meeting went. Scott. Scott. Screw those guys. They screw me with the escalator. They turned off my prompter. Don't pay the bill.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's what I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's exactly what happened. And there's this strange rumor going around that supposedly the UN is going to move its headquarters to Qatar. Have you heard this?

[Adam Curry]

That's perfect if true. Yeah. No, I have not heard it, but it makes it. That's why Tucker needs a house.

[John C. Dvorak]

There it is. And with that, I'd like to thank you. The man who put the sea in the crustafarians in the morning to you here is my friend on the other, on the one, the only, Mr. John C. Devor.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning you Mr. Adam Curry in the morning ship. See w the graphy in the air. Sun's in the water and all the dames and knights out there in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Morning to the trolls. All right, 1931. Almost 2,000 trolls hanging out. Listening [e-mail] we're happy you're here. Thank you for being a part of our little podcast. We've been doing it for more than 18 years and we do it as a public service and we give it all away. We just put it right out there for you to enjoy. Best enjoyed on a modern podcast app. Because when we send out the bat signal, you know that we're live. You can listen to the live stream right there in your modern podcast app. Go to podcastapps.com and.

[Adam Curry]

And Jane Fonda was married three times and she has a partner. Richard Perry should be the fourth person.

[John C. Dvorak]

What does Richard Perry do? Is he. I don't know, is he good looking?

[Adam Curry]

I can click and find out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, why don't you click?

[Adam Curry]

Richard Perry was an American, wasn't he?

[John C. Dvorak]

In Journey?

[Adam Curry]

Record producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve Perry.

[Adam Curry]

Record producer, musical career.

[John C. Dvorak]

Richard Perry.

[Adam Curry]

Richard Van Perry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Van Perry. What did he produce? Juice?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know. You want me to look it up?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, please.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. Richard Van. He's old, he's 82.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's okay, he's around.

[Adam Curry]

He was a Rod Stewart, Carly Simon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? Oh, Planet Records. Interesting. Interesting. I. I don't know this guy. You think I would have bumped into him. Hey, tonight. Tonight is the Grammys big Grammy show tonight.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're gonna look for the satanic stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't think I'LL have to look long. Yes, I'm sure bad bunny will pick up, will sweep the awards. Bad Bunny. Everyone's crazy for the bad bunny is the bad Bunny. Oh. One of his biggest hits was you're so vain that he produced Carly Simon.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. That's all right.

[Adam Curry]

Perfect. Yeah. You're so vain. It's perfect for Jane Fonda. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we run this value for value, which is really quite simple. We put the show out without any restrictions, without any levels or super things. You gotta. It actually makes it very. I was talking to Tina about this yesterday. You know, she's a fundraising professional for the nonprofits. She says, you know, you guys never have done donor stewardship. I said, you have no idea how hard it is with this value for value. It's not like people sign up and you just send them a letter twice a year with your report on all the great things you did. So we need them to support us. Every single show. They need to give value back. And it's, it's, you know, it's. It's not like a set it and then write it off type thing. This is, you know, we have to remind people twice a week to listen to the show and support. Support what we do and send value back. And we have to have them always question, questioning, what kind of value did I get out of this? Should I return that value? How do I feel about, you know, getting the value and not returning it? You know, it's not like in a database. It's like we didn't Eric try to do a database.

[Adam Curry]

We don't use Salesforce.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. Yes, we need Agentic. Salesforce. Agentic. AI to do that. I think Eric tried to do that. Didn't he try to put together a data.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Eric was always trying to do the high tech stuff. Stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

But why did that never work?

[Adam Curry]

There was a million reasons.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think the biggest one is people donate eight different ways.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. There's a lot of flex. Yeah. There's too many variables to get anything really nailed down. And we do too many shows. We're doing a hundred shows a year. Yeah, 104 actually. And we do 104 shows a year. And it's a. It's. It's hectic. And we're. You. Like you said, you know, this is not like a, you know, once a year fundraiser. We have to do this every twice a week.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And it creates all kinds. So you have to have a lot of things, a lot of plates in the air, a lot of them.

[John C. Dvorak]

We need. I Think Salesforce is a good idea?

[Adam Curry]

Spinning.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should take a call.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. Salesforce.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, Salesforce, hit us up. Let us know how your agentic AI can. Can actually help us. The only thing I'd like to do is I'd like to send some of our donors a Christmas email. And I've tried doing that. Even. That's. Even just sending a thank you mail. It's like, you know, your. Your email address gets blocked even if.

[Adam Curry]

And then they won't get it. Yeah, yeah. How come I didn't get one? You got that issue. We don't want to deal with that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Like, even sending out the Night rings is. Is. And the Dame Rings is quite a. Yeah, that's that.

[Adam Curry]

Quite an order deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

It's annoying.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have a full time. J. J, the AI agent, she does good work. She does very good work. She. She nary does she make a mistake. And we appreciate that. So time, talent, and treasure is what we decided on and you can support us. We. We love when you go hit somebody in the mouth, let them know about the show, because there's no way an algorithm is. And you got it. You got to remind people, you know, because they're like, well, what is this? What is this? Because we're so different. It's like, how come they don't have other podcasters on their podcast? You know, isn't that what you're supposed to do? No, we don't do that. We don't do interviews. We just deconstruct the media, which.

[Adam Curry]

Which was our smartest decision ever.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, it's still. It's still very. It's maybe even more important than ever. And even though people don't really. The. The absolute number of the media are not that big anymore, but it still sets the tone. It sets the tone of Washington, of the lobbyists, of the Congress, sets an international tone. And I increasingly learned that there's a lot of people who just tune in to hear what's going on. They don't want to watch it. They are tuned out. They're not interested in being involved. They're not on social media media, they're just working. They're fixing cars. They're, you know, they're mowing lawn. They're doing whatever. They just want to bring me up to speed, make me laugh a little bit, and then, hey, yeah, that was pretty valuable. I'm up to speed. I'll send something back to them. One of the ways you can do that is by setting up no agenda meetups. John, when you Want to do your meetup report?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I. I'll do it during the donut. When we start reading, after we get to the second or third.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

I put three or three of the Don right on the spreadsheet. The rest of them I have here in a pile because there's just too many. We have great response at our meetups here in Northern California, Northern Silicon Valley. Unlike the cheap bastards there in Texas. Yeah, we're really good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're afraid of you. You see, I'm just like, hey, nice, thanks for coming. And you're just like, where's the donation? True or not?

[Adam Curry]

I don't say. I've never said, where's the donation?

[John C. Dvorak]

You do before the meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I do.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're very good about that. We also accept other forms. Boots on the ground are very much appreciated. Clips, time codes. If you send this, if you send us a video. What is not helpful, by the way? Ah, I did it. I gotta stop that. I said, by the way. You didn't even catch it.

[Adam Curry]

What is now I'm getting better.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm getting better. Better.

[Adam Curry]

I'm not.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you will. You will. People will send. Say that this is great. What is not great is some other podcaster playing clips, interrupting the clip. Little box in the corner of the YouTube screen. That's not helpful.

[Adam Curry]

Have you seen the one? There's one. I put it. I posted on the real Dvorak on Twitter. Have you seen the one with this little guy in the box down there and he's yakking away about something going on and then the person in the. In the video grabs him by the head?

[John C. Dvorak]

No. No, I haven't seen that.

[Adam Curry]

It's beautiful. It's so meta and it can completely catches you off guard.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's good. Artwork is also highly appreciated. You can upload it to no Agenda Art generator dot com. I think the complaining has done something. Is the prom. The art has. Some pieces have become simpler. A little more to the point.

[Adam Curry]

Complaining does it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Complaining works.

[Adam Curry]

Underestimated as a methodology.

[John C. Dvorak]

Undervalued. Undervalued. It's very undervalued as a methodology to getting what you want. The Canadians don't have it quite perfected yet. They had the right idea. So Red, who I think is Red, a kind of a new artist on the scene, A new prompter on the scene? No, Red has done quite a lot, actually, throughout the years. I see. But Red created for us. Us, the color revolution. Blues with paint can color blue. Noah. Jen. The best podcast in the universe.

[Adam Curry]

Curry DVORAK I was pushing for something else, but you insisted that the one I liked.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, you didn't want the one that I liked.

[Adam Curry]

No, the one you like was gruesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

I liked the cigarettes in the eyes. I thought it was some guy.

[Adam Curry]

This is what Adam thinks was he. This is great. It's sexy. And it was some guy with his eyes gouged out and two cigarettes. Cigarette butts in each eye.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was Eli, the coffee guy too. I'm like, I really liked Eli's work here. It was funny. It was.

[Adam Curry]

It was gruesome.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was cigarettes for the eyes he.

[Adam Curry]

Kept, and he couldn't see it as gruesome. I don't understand this at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't see it as gruesome. What was the one that you liked? You wanted. You wanted something dumb. I remember that. You wanted the puppy. You wanted the puppy like you wanted my dog in the snow.

[Adam Curry]

No, I did like that, but that's not what I was pushing for. What I was pushing for was trying to find it.

[John C. Dvorak]

The icebreaker. Another Eli I did use, by the way, Blue acorns.

[Adam Curry]

Create a man for the newsletter.

[John C. Dvorak]

You said, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna help you with this. It's a tough one. It's. I think we've been saying it so long without even noticing it as some kind of. Of connector that we feel we need, but we don't need that. We. We don't need these three words. We don't need them. I'm. I'm deprogramming you. We do not need these three words.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I'm sure you know, I'm so hard to deprogram. Here's the one I liked. It was pressure washers with Jeffrey Raya where they're using a pressure washers.

[John C. Dvorak]

I didn't like that because I love that piece.

[Adam Curry]

I like the eyeball. Eyeballs. And so you. So we settled on the paint can.

[John C. Dvorak]

I do like the eyeballs. I still like the eyeball. I'm gonna print it out, blow it.

[Adam Curry]

Up, put it on my watch, a frame and put it in the office.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you, Red Double D Red, for bringing us the artwork for episode 1839. 1838, which. What do we title that one? 1838 was? Oh, Coup afoot. There you go. And now, as we always, as part of our value for value model, which is very different from. From a non profit profit donor stewardship model, we do it twice a week. We thank people who supported us, and we tell you how Much they supported us with. And we do that for $50 and above. Under 50 and not mentioned for reasons of anonymity. And in this segment, we'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers because we give you a title to go with that, which is kind of cool. It's a real showbiz title. It's good for the rest of your life. And you can put it on IMDb.com if one of our friends of the show hasn't already done it for you. And $200 or more gets you an associate producership credit. And we'll read your note. $300 and above is an executive producership. And we will read your note. And the first one, as far as I can tell, has no note. It is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I give a little background. This came in. This was a meetup. These first two donations are from the meetup.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. So it's Jeffrey P. Roster from Morgan.

[Adam Curry]

Hill and associates and he says he wanted to be knighted. I think we put him on the night list anyway. And he said email's coming. I didn't get one. And obviously it notes that no. Agendashow.net didn't get one. And I don't think you got.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I didn't.

[Adam Curry]

So we have to wait for his note for his thousand dollar donation, but give him a double up. Karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And he was at the meetup.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you've got. He was not only at the meetup, but he didn't put the check in an envelope or anything. He just says. He's just handing me a check.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did anyone stick an envelope to your back like a Jewish bride, like I request?

[Adam Curry]

No, No, I got. No. Well, not that I noticed. It might have fallen off.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lucas T. Is this now I can read this?

[Adam Curry]

Yes. And by the way, this is also for the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ah.

[Adam Curry]

This is also from the. I must be the real offender then. No, this is. This is also from the meetup. And this is a big. Big guy. Big guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right.

[Adam Curry]

Big, Big hands. Big.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's a big cop. I have a meet up report later and I think he was in the meetup report. So. Lucas T. 1000 dol. And he says it was a pleasure meeting everyone at the get John out of the house Oakland meetup. It's official now. I'm a knight, sir sloth of local 411. 7. All hail Baron Anonymous cop. No, you're not yet. But you will be on this show. You have not been knighted yet. Thank you, John and Adam. This podcast has helped my dad and me stay connected. Oh, that's nice. My father, nicknamed the Animal, is a three time WAC University of New Mexico channel champion. What is wac? Western Athletic Conference turned macv SOG with three tours in Vietnam and counterintelligence working Project Borden. A military psyop. I'll bet you this guy knows Uncle Don. Ask him anyway. He says, I love you dad. Bravo sir, for raising two great kids. We lost mom last year. They were married for 51 years.

[Adam Curry]

Years.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dad and I take trips together now partly to get him off the couch since he's a Fox News dad. Your show has helped us, has helped both of us better understand the direction of the world and grow our personal wealth because of it. Well, now that's some value. He has some douchebag calls out call outs here for Steve McGrath. Douchebag for Tony D', Amato, David Miller and guess what, my dad Wayne that. I wonder how that all goes.

[Adam Curry]

He needs a de douching Obama phone. D douching. He mentioned that in separate note. You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

Everybody in Cleveland, no minority got Obama phone.

[Adam Curry]

Keep Obama in president. You know he gave us a phone. I want to mention one thing. He also said in a long, short, long, short piece about modern policing techniques because he's a cop.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

And which I will read in some future episode when it applies to something we're talking about. It's a lot of new drone technology being used by the police department.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh well, Baron sir, anonymous anonymous cop has a lot of experience with that as he has email.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, they're buddies, those two guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's good to have friends like this, this John. Yeah, feel free to read the next one.

[Adam Curry]

I should mention this. So he's in South San Francisco and I didn't mention but he should note that that's the side of that hill in South San Francisco that I think where they should put the favela.

[John C. Dvorak]

On the hill.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Beautiful.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. They could police it. Wonderful.

[Adam Curry]

Now do you own police favelas?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, self police policing. Feel free to continue.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I should. I'm going to read a couple of the notes from the meetup after we get to 300.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

David Robertson, Norristown, PA 62433. As a Duke of Pennsylvania some years ago, I needed de douching. You've been de douched. I just want to say if you want a competitive edge with the resume that gets results, go to ImageMakers Inc.com with a K. I'll be reaching out soon. I guess he's looking for work.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful. Oh, here's sir deanonymous. This is great. He's an East Grinsteadt and he's in the United Kingdom. And he is the man responsible for the technology behind Bingit IO, which is known as Clip Genie. And he came with $333.33. And this is important, he says. Alongside my normal recurring donation of 5510 double nickels on the dime, I wanted to send in this special 333.33 donation to celebrate the launch of Clip Genie 2.0. After many months of hard work, resulting in being several episodes behind, as it turns out, I can't listen and code at the same time. It's finally finished. Anyone with a podcast can now sign up for their own instance of Clip Genie using just their RSL. Now, if you've ever seen Bingit IO, which is a clip, it forwards to Clip Genie. You can just search terms. It'll find transcript. You click on that, it plays that. It plays that part of the transcript in the show. It links to clips, it links to show notes and you can make.

[Adam Curry]

I'm glad he's commercializing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, because this thing has been costing him money. It's been an ongoing project and I hope more podcasters will use it, because they will. Is fantastic. And his. The clip sharing is what he's really focusing on. Which is funny because I got a note from Linode because I have no agendaassets.com that's where I post all the clips and the show notes and everything and says, just so you know, there's been a lot of extra outgoing bandwidth and it gave me two alerts. I'm like, what is going on? So I get into the box, I'm like, this has got to be some AI scraping me these bands. Well, of course it was Sir Denonous. It's our own AI scraping us. So it's good. Everything has been improved. The transcription quality, the clip generator capability, shared links to episodes and clips. You can now see which clips have been made by any member of your audience, which links they have shared, and how many times they've been visited. I listened to everybody's feedback when making version 2, so there's lots of improvements in Bingit IO as well. Every episode has been retranscribed, so the clips start and end times will be bang on with less errors in the transition transcript. This makes finding things you remember even easier. You now listen to the exact audio that will be in the clip before you commit. Clip before you commit. The search results now include a Timeline of when your results occur in the show and you can see the actual text match. So no more jumping in and out of episodes, trying to work out which one is the right one. This time, though, it really is powered by AI with the option of semantic search built in. Oh, the holy grail. Grail. I've been trying to come up. It's fuzzy. I've been trying to come up with some fancy marketing copy to rival Eli the coffee guy and Linda Liu, but quickly realized I have no chance. So all I will say is this. Turn your audience into your marketing department. Clip Genie.

[Adam Curry]

That's a good bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that Right there is good. Turn your audience into your marketing department. Clip Genie gives listeners the power to search your episodes and share their favorite moments. Get started today by heading to clip gen and use code bongino at checkout to get 10% off the life of your subscription and get 5% of your order donated to no Agenda. This is. I love this. It is a great. This is really an outstanding product. It had. The version one was good. Version two is fantastic. So finally you can share us on the socials with confidence and ease. Thank you very much, sir. Deanonymous. Highly appreciate it.

[Adam Curry]

Again, well worth reading that note. Anything to get him some money. Yes, Kenneth, Cal or Keel in El Cebrante. He was at the meetup 3:33.33. Put a little note saying it was like knight donation. I don't know if it's for his knight who. He didn't give us any details. I think I got another note afterwards. This is another kind of just hanging out there thing. And we give him a double up. Karma. And then I've got the notes to read from the meetup. Okay, you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma. All right. Read your notes.

[Adam Curry]

So here we go. So we got a lot of donors that these are all over 50. Lawrence Wolf starts us off in Oakland and he came in with 350. So he's executive producer. We put him on the list. And he wasn't going to. He says itm gentlemen, I wasn't going to donate. As a baron, I felt I had proverbially killed my 10 in.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, what's his name?

[Adam Curry]

This is Lawrence Wolf. W W L F but L A W R E N C E F Wolf. So he'll be executive producer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep, got it.

[Adam Curry]

He says, as a baron, I felt I had proverbially killed my 10 men. I never heard that phrase, but I can understand it. I also give recurrent monthly donation, so I thought I'd wait this Week one out. However, my wife bought a chair for our cat, Alex as sacrificial furniture for him to destroy. When we removed the chair from its box, we saw that it was orange color. I looked at the tag. The tag was described as curry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no.

[Adam Curry]

This morning I also woke up to a raspy meow. Is going on 18 years and is deaf. He's going on the cat. I checked. The time was 3:33 in the morning. Too early. I went back to sleep. Upon waking, I found something in the bed covers that should have been deposited in the cat box. Enclosed find $350. I counted it, so it's not 250. May I get a Slaves Mac and cheese? Adios, Slaves.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yes, okay, I know. I know what it means. Slaves. Mac and cheese. Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Few slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Cheese macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese.

[Adam Curry]

Mac and cheese.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mac and cheese. I hope we didn't get Toxo from that department.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it probably already has it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're right.

[Adam Curry]

KO6E J E73 to him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on a second. Also executive producer.

[Adam Curry]

Yep.

[John C. Dvorak]

So what is it? K o.

[Adam Curry]

O. K o. Oh, ko6e.

[John C. Dvorak]

J e. Okay, that would be kilo06 echo Juliet echo. Come on, man, show your ham cred.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know it's you. It's pretty clear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Carolyn Costopoulos.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh. Is an Oscar not zero Oscar. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Oscar.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Who. Who's the next one?

[Adam Curry]

Carolyn Costopoulo. And for some dumb reason, I didn't put her amount on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here, you have to spell that for me.

[Adam Curry]

Please accept my third donation. I have a couple of corrections I'd like to make on one show a while back. And I'm sorry, I can't remember the episode. You both ridiculed POTS as the best fad illness that hypochondriacs were suddenly suffering from. Sorry, but pots P O T S is very real. And caused by the COVID19MRNA vaccine scenes. These poor people lose control of their heart rate.

[John C. Dvorak]

We corrected that later.

[Adam Curry]

I believe so. Yeah. I have a friend who had the same illness. She goes on, then she goes on. I'm trying to. It's kind of funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're well organized.

[Adam Curry]

I'm sorry. I mean, there's a big pile of these notes. I will straighten out Carolyn's note later.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

So I'm going to skip by her.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And go on to card from Beth Elliot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beth Elliott.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

2:22. 22:22. Thank you. For your courage. Pretty much is very simple. And then.

[John C. Dvorak]

So she's associate.

[Adam Curry]

Drive these notes all over the place, and I'll get to the rest of these in the second half of the show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, well, so she's an associate. I got to do this, right?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you do.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I'm trying to do this right, but you're not being very, very helpful.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I'm not. I'm sorry.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, you're anything but helpful. We can.

[Adam Curry]

I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Back on track.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jordan Goodfellow, Davenport, Florida, 333. Sanity is still intact thanks to the best podcast in the universe. This is the only podcast I listen to every week. Thank you. Here's to four more years.

[Adam Curry]

I found another pile.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are these executives or associate? Executives.

[Adam Curry]

A couple are in here as executive. These are this associate executive. I just want to get these before I do the latter ones. Duke of San Francisco, 220. No note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Double up. Karma. Duke of San Francisco, you've got.

[John C. Dvorak]

Karma month. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Robert Montoya, Associate Black knight. 200. Yes. Associate. Pleasant Hill.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

The rest of these are lower. I would do them in the second half. 50. We got 200 from John Seart. S I E B R T in Auburn. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

John Sebert. Hey, did. Didn't Sir Julian donate?

[Adam Curry]

Sir Julian did donate.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, good. He's back. He's back out in California. He's back working. Wait, he was. That's interesting. I thought he was in D.C. i don't know where. What's going on with him anyway? Yes, continue.

[Adam Curry]

Now I can do. Just get these out of the way. Asha and Kabril, one fellow. 50. They scribbled their last names. I couldn't read it. Aaron Cole. Night of the Strawberry Fog is. I don't know where. Watsonville. 100. Sir Zolbat, ITM. 100. 50 from Sir Richie Rich. The guy with the. With the fancy hair. Angela Garcia. The artist from San Francisco. 100. I said John Siebert. Already we have 100 from Fast Eddie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Fast Eddie, Fast Eddie.

[Adam Curry]

And then we have these little guys here, which is little notes. 85 bucks from crazy Steve. Coins. Silver coin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

Lie. And Sophie, 100. She wants some. They want job karma. We'll give them that at the end. Gustavo Visali and Maria. With a Springsteen donation of 75. And is there anything last on here? I think that's it.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. Well, it sounds like you had a good time. Did you have fun? People said you left early.

[Adam Curry]

There's anybody. I didn't. I stayed there two whole hours. If anybody didn't get mentioned, let me know. We'll put you on as a make good.

[John C. Dvorak]

We will continue now with Alex Thomas, associate executive producer. Oh no, wait. Sir Paul Snyder. I'm sorry. Please credit me as Sir Paul Snyder. Also add me to the birthday list for February 4th. Thanks. $455.98 Canadian. My money's worthless. Yes. Alex Thomas, Northcote, Victoria in Australia. $250. Michael Kellner 242.17 he says this is the value of two silver dollars plus PayPal fees. And he says Jingle Just send your cash. Song from phoneboy.com we have a whole end of show mix for you for that one but I'll play the shorty for you. Now I know a lot of people.

[Adam Curry]

Want to sen or water. Just send your cash. I'll take it from there with Highland Craigs in Colorado Springs. 230. We love you too and really appreciate your work. Please keep it going, arguments and all. By the way, we got some feedback from the meetup which had an inordinate number of attractive women, I should say, and they kind of appreciate bickering. They think it adds some some dimensionality to another way dry show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they like the bickering. The chicks like bickering, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, bickering.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Which is a town in Colorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Interesting. Munitions Master is in Kettering, Ohio with a row of ducks. 22222 Ahoy gents. Chupacabra donation. Long time listener, first time donor. Please deduce you've been and de douched. Love the show and all the work you guys do. Three out of five stars. What? That's a fail on Uber. Three out of five stars would not change a thing. Would like to shout out the Chupacabra canoe. Those guys are awesome. We listen to and discuss the show on all of our canoe trips and conclaves. Check out chupacabra canoe.com for canoes, paddles, merch and blogs. Now selling canoes handmade by river surfer. If anyone in the northeastern Ohio area is interested in a canoeing meetup, that would be cool. Visit the website and submit via the contact to the portal. The portal. I would like to call out Summer Sausage and Sea Cow as douchebags and Sea Cow.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would like to call Jingles Goat, Karma and Al Sharpton. Respect. Thank you for your courage. Paddles up says Munitions Master. And he is in KE Bettering, Ohio.

[Adam Curry]

You've got Karma Sir Candyman in Somerset, California at 214 14. This donation is a switcheroo to my partner in crime and lover of life, Magia.

[John C. Dvorak]

My Gia.

[Adam Curry]

My Gea. Okay. My Magia. Magia, you're my heart and my soul. He writes. To many the world might seem upside down. But to those of us who know better, it just seems like an act. Thanks to the no Agenda show, we know better. But this is the month of love. We will focus on that. That was Black History Month. I never stopped feeling like the luckiest man in the world. My Magia, you make my life worth living or striving for. You make a better. Make me a better man every day. These are times when we are that we are rough and tumble together. But ultimately we are always better for it. So this is an ode to my my Gia. So if you feel love like he's must be in the doghouse or something. I'm telling you. So if you feel love like I do, share it. Let the people, people you love know how you feel. At Little John's Candies.

[John C. Dvorak]

There we go.

[Adam Curry]

With his heart shaped or not. We have you covered. Where we share the love and donate to the best podcast in the world. No, no Gingles can express my love is what he wrote. AKA or Sir Candyman. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful plug. And he's back. Eli the coffee guy from Bensonville, Illinois. Eli, Darren o' Neill is trying to scam some free coffee off of you. Just saying. He keeps complaining about it.

[Adam Curry]

Send him a bag.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send him a bag. He plugs you 20201 he does. Interesting timing out of Georgia. Tulsi Gabbard DNI was present during the FBI raid on the Fulton county election office. Yes, there is very little media coverage. Hmm, interesting.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's coverage. Plus Sidney Powell is popping back up again. Yeah, I've seen that too. Maybe they'll finally release the Kraken. Maybe it may means nothing. I actually have some clips about that. With the slow roll of the Epstein files, another round of mostly peaceful riots. It does feel like election season is warming up. He knows producers should elect to drink good coffee. Visit gigawatt coffee roasters.com use code ITM20 for 20% off your order. And he says stay caffeinated. His name is Eli the coffee guy.

[Adam Curry]

I should mention something about this. We don't have any clips. I don't think of Tony Tulsi.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she's been very quiet.

[Adam Curry]

But they have been promoting this idea that. Oh what? You know he to say it's not covered, that he hasn't been watching the lefties, the left wing media is covering it. And it always says the same thing. I wish I had a clip. But they say the same thing. It goes like this. What is she doing there? She's supposed to be in charge of the national intelligence, which is about foreign countries. No, she's. No, she is not in charge of foreign intelligence. She's in charge of all intelligence, which includes the FBI.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So she has all the right in the world to be there if she wants to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well put.

[Adam Curry]

Anyway, Linda Loop Hatkin is up. Oh, look at her. She's in Castle Rock, Colorado. $200 jobs karma for a competitive edge with the resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda applies executive level positioning to career transition at every stage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whoa. New copy.

[Adam Curry]

A little new.

[John C. Dvorak]

New copy. New copy.

[Adam Curry]

That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of Winning a Resume's Best. Linda. Jobs, jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we have see our last. No, we have two more. Eric Kessler, Kansas City, Missouri My pre $200. My appreciation to to you both for the best podcast in the universe. Can I get an F? Cancer. And prayer for my dad's upcoming surgery. Yes, he's covered, Eric. No worries at all. Here's the karma.

[Adam Curry]

You've got karma. Okay, this is a long note, but I can squeeze it in. Except if there's anything after the name Michael Burdett. Adam and John is a follow up note to my $200. You donated $200. Michael Burdett, social Producer Donation Saturday night. I wanted to take this opportunity to plug my adopted human resource Girl Scout. Girl Scouts. I'm sorry, Girl Scouts cookie site. A digital cookie.girlscouts.org this is is funny because I'm surprised that this hasn't been done before, which is Girl Scout cookies online.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, I'll put the link. I'll put the link next to his. Next to his.

[Adam Curry]

If you're a boomer like me and don't need another source of sugar and carbs, pick up the six dollar donation to Sweet Acts of Kindness or send a gift box of six cookie packages to a friend. By the way, the Girl Scout cookies are good even if you don't use Elizabeth's cookie site. Support your local Girl Scouts. Sorry. By the way, this is very creative to have a Girl Scouts cookies website.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I don't think they like the idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's, it seems to be part of girl scouts.org so I think they're doing it troop wide.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, maybe. Yeah, it's pretty good. You know, Girl Scouts usually show up at the front of their Safeway or someplace, and they're there, hey, yeah, want to buy some cookies?

[John C. Dvorak]

And they're so cute. And you're like, oh, of course I'll.

[Adam Curry]

Buy you some cookies.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll buy your cookies.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, we'll buy some cookies. I always get the Thin Mints and.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Thin Mints. Thin Mints, baby.

[Adam Curry]

S' mores are good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

We have to pay for shipping on the site. It's okay. You can skip the rest of the note if you want. I will, but I will. Well, let me.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, let me. Let me read this, because I read this before and he sent me some clips along with this.

[Adam Curry]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

He installed the Quen3TT, the 11 Labs alternative, the open source recommended. Yes. And he said. He sent us to. He said. After sampling President Trump's voice, I created an audio file of him touting our tech desk team, suggesting we should win the UW Distinguished Staff Award by a landslide. Here it is.

[Adam Curry]

These guys on the text desk team.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are the most outstanding technology experts I.

[Adam Curry]

Have ever, ever met. It would be a crying shame if they didn't win the University of Washington's Distinguished Staff Award by a landslide. I'm not kidding.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's pretty good for open source.

[Adam Curry]

Close. It's close.

[John C. Dvorak]

He also did one for us.

[Adam Curry]

These guys are the best podcasters in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not bad. It's not bad. He says, Adam, thank you for your work and boldness to share your belief in the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Tell Tina I love her show, Curry and the Keeper, and I'm jealous of your trip to Israel. He says, Also thanks to the greatest podcast in the universe that helped me navigate the mass hysteria of COVID years and give me the confidence to request a religious exemption to the COVID MRNA shot. So I'm spike protein free. Thank you very much, Michael. We appreciate that. We appreciate all of these executive and associate executive producers. Your credits will be listed on the show notes page. And as always, these credits are forever and you can use them anywhere. Show business credits are recognized. You can do what you. All right? What are you. What are you huffing and puffing about?

[Adam Curry]

I had to clear my throat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. Including IMDb.com you can always put on your LinkedIn or your social media profile. We'll be thanking the rest of our supporters. $50 above in the second. Second business cards. Always a good idea. Thank you again. Congratulations to the executive and associate executive producers.

[Adam Curry]

Our formula is this we go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up, slave.

[John C. Dvorak]

Shut up, slave. I have a little M5M clip for you. This is quite interesting. The the movie Melania has come out, which had a pretty decent opening, did $8 million, over $8 million in theaters, which is surprising. I think it came in as three movie. Of course, it's always about the second weekend. If you have a friend who's in the movie business, they always say go to the. Go to the second weekend. We need the second weekend. And here's a report from Canada which is quite negative about it. Surprise, surprise, here we go again. So far, reaction to the first Lady's first documentary isn't exactly what you'd put on a movie marquee, because this literally.

[Adam Curry]

Is something you can't make up. This is a Hollywood farce. She may have rung the bell at.

[John C. Dvorak]

The New York Stock Exchange to herald.

[Adam Curry]

The movie's arrival in theaters Friday, but before it's even hit screens, the film's been getting review bombed on movie site letterboxd. Did I watch this?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Do I need to?

[John C. Dvorak]

Also no, writes one commentator. If they showed this on a plane, people would still walk out, writes another. The timing couldn't be worse. On the very day I ICE agents.

[Adam Curry]

Killed nurse Alex Preddy, the White House went ahead with its preview of Melania for special guests that night. Melania's director is also controversial. Brett Ratner, banished by Hollywood after accusations of sexual misconduct in 2017. Then there's the flick's financial backing. Amazon shelling out $40 million US for worldwide rights and spending another 35 million to market it.

[John C. Dvorak]

A plotline ripe for criticism.

[Adam Curry]

Jeff. Jeff Bezos and Amazon had a fractious relationship with Trump that's well documented. All of a sudden, the billionaires show up on inauguration date, literally show up, sit behind him, and money starts to change hands. American late night talk show hosts adding that to their scripts. Amazon bribed a whopping $40 million for the movie.

[John C. Dvorak]

Are you really trying to tell us that this dumb vanity project, corporate bribe.

[Adam Curry]

Is a work of art? The Jockey the documentary will be shown at a lavish event at the Kennedy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Center Thursday night, then opens on 1500.

[Adam Curry]

Screens in the US and Canada. I don't think anybody's going to go to the theaters to see it.

[John C. Dvorak]

It takes a lot to get people.

[Adam Curry]

To go out to the movies, period. And I don't think this is. This is the big draw. Friday's opening night.

[John C. Dvorak]

The true test of whether moviegoers will.

[Adam Curry]

Show up to see it or simply.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait until it goes streaming. Well, I think they're doing nothing but helping by talking about it everywhere.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the way they're doing it because it's so biased.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Did Kimmel and, and Colbert see the movie? No. They just decided to slam it for no good reason.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'm kind of interested. I'll wait until it streams, but I'll. I'm interested. I'll wait. It's good.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nothing else.

[Adam Curry]

What is it, 20 minutes into life or something like that?

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, it's like it's short. It's just about a week in her life or, I mean, it's just, just a walk with.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, that could be according to the present. It's amazing. No one's ever seen this before.

[Adam Curry]

I do have these NATO clips, so let's run through them.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's run through the NATO. What is the premise?

[Adam Curry]

This is a deconstruction of NPR specifically trying to promote NATO. There's a big fear that we're going to get out of NATO and people have mixed feelings where that's to going or not. Maybe do we don't. Do we want troops all over Europe or do we not want troops? Or, you know, and the NPR people have taken.

[John C. Dvorak]

I vote no. I vote no.

[Adam Curry]

I don't have a vote. But I will say that this, this is a slanted report designed to kind of stir feelings toward NATO, and it's poorly done. And let's start with Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

A defining feature of the post World.

[Adam Curry]

War II global order has been America's alliance with Europe.

[John C. Dvorak]

That transatlantic relationship has been a bedrock of Western security. And at its core for more than 75 years has been a special alliance.

[Adam Curry]

Of 32 countries, 30 in Europe and two in North America. The US and Canada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Together they form NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization organization. But that close alliance is now in doubt. Here's how Trump put it in January.

[Adam Curry]

There are certain places in Europe that are very important that are no longer recognizable. I'm being very nice, I'm being very diplomatic when I say that they are not recognizable. What do Americans actually think of this alliance that's endured for more than eight decades? NPR's roving national correspondent Frank Langfit tells us more. One of President Trump's biggest complaints about Europe is that it hasn't spent enough money on its own defense and is freeloaded off the U.S. many Americans agree, including Trump critics. Ernie Koo lives in California and is an executive in the maritime industry. Last month he was in Baltimore for The festivities around the Army Navy game watch. Cadets in midship shipmen compete to drag heavy weights up a hill overlooking the harbor. Who supports Trump pressuring Europe to spend more on its own defense? It is forcing Europe to take their security a little more seriously and maybe not to be so dependent on one one big brother. And ultimately, I think it's going to be a positive. Okay, so that so, so they start off, so we're going to get a bunch of basically people on the street street giving us informed opinions. And so they decide to.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

Which is, you know what you do because you can get a million of them and you can sort them out and make, and make your point, which is what they're doing here. And so these are very short clips. Now this is clip two. And this has got that little mathematical trick they like to do. About two hours north in Pennsylvania's Bucks County, Wes Alker is looking for discounts at a Trump merchandise store that's closing at the end of the month. Closing. Alker's a ret auto mechanic and agrees with the president on military support for Ukraine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Proportionately, we're given more than we should.

[Adam Curry]

And why do you say that?

[John C. Dvorak]

Because they're not on our back doorstep. The Europeans ain't doing.

[Adam Curry]

In fact, the European Union and its member states have mobilized more than $71 billion in military support for Ukraine. Still, an NPR Ipsos poll in December showed that about one third of Republicans think the US has spent too much. Majority of Democrats and more than 40% of independents disagreed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Spend more.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the thing there is the numbers. A third of the Republicans is 33%. 40%. They go from a third to 40%.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I see what you're doing.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. It's only a 7% difference, but they make it sound like, oh, you know, these Republicans are against it and the Democrats are for it. No, not really. So that kind of trickery, that's what caught my attention, which maybe put this presentation together because there's more, more of it. Let's go to now. It says Neo, but this is a 16 second clip of a quote in part three. Suzanne Watson is a retired nurse in Colorado. I think it's too little. I am not a fan of wars or helping wars, but I think Putin has made it very clear that he's not going to stop at Ukraine. And at some point you've got to stand up. We learned that in World War II. Retired nurse in Colorado.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, there it is.

[Adam Curry]

Giving us our perspective on international relations and Putin.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Why a retire. Oh, Here's a retired. And where did they get this retired nurse in Colorado to contribute to this report in the first place? Give me a break. Okay, so we go to clip 4 and this one is, this one I've.

[John C. Dvorak]

Called Dip D. Oh, there you go.

[Adam Curry]

Disagreement over support for Ukraine seems quaint compared with Trump's designs on Greenland. Earlier this month, Vice President Vance said Denmark hasn't done enough to protect the resource rich territory from Russia and China and that America's transatlantic bonds only go so far. They'll always make an argument about the past. They'll say, well, we fought together in.

[John C. Dvorak]

World War II or we fought together.

[Adam Curry]

In the war on terrorism and we're to going grateful for that. We love having these allies, but just because you did something smart 25 years ago doesn't mean you can't do something dumb now. My name is Sharon Valentine.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm 28. I am a mother of one.

[Adam Curry]

Valentine works for an online bank and lives in Utah. She's a self described progressive and thinks Trump's approach to allies is self defeating.

[John C. Dvorak]

Threatening to invade Greenland or the Panama Canal or to take Canada.

[Adam Curry]

Where do you think that the, this foreign policy is leading the United States?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's leading us to be more isolated. Well, you know what I say to that talk.

[Adam Curry]

So, so they bring some dipshit on who works on an online bank out of the blue and she starts crying immediately. And then this is supposed to convince us of what? This is their, this is their persuasive way of doing a presentation on NATO that she doesn't even know. Can't even say what NATO stands for, but okay, all right, let's go to five and we're going to wrap it pretty quickly. Polling suggests that Valentine is right. Suggests? European Council on Foreign Relations released a poll this month. It showed that in 10 EU countries, including France and Germany, an average of only 16% viewed the US as an ally, while about half viewed it as a necessary partner. Here in the U.S. even Republicans are concerned about Trump's policies towards Europe. A Reuters Ipsos poll this month found 60% of Republicans oppose taking Greenland by force. Clay Duncan works in the medical device industry in Houston. He's very happy with Trump's second term, but uneasy about the President's threats against Greenland. I think that's a dangerous step, right? A lot of times these are negotiation tactics because guess what? They're watching what just happened in Venezuela. He said that military is not off the table. I mean, that might be for Denmark, right? To get the elicited Response.

[John C. Dvorak]

Harry's talking like one of them damn gummy guys you always talk about.

[Adam Curry]

He's down there in Hutton now. Why do we have this guy? Why do we care about his opinion at all?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. We need to color it a little bit, put that.

[Adam Curry]

But it has to be okay. It's a Trump supporter who's against Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

That's what, that's the key to success.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Score.

[Adam Curry]

Trump supporter who's against Trump. We don't know who this guy is. He could be just, you know, a paid actor. But we, it's just ridiculous. This reports these people are no good. Are you surprised? Wrap it up with this is kind of lengthy, but it does wrap it up. But it's the same. So this is a propaganda piece that can be easily dripped apart. But I think that people who listen to NPR lap it up. The Trump administration released its national security strategy last month. It's far more critical of Europe, which is democratic, that it is of Russia, an authoritarian state which started the biggest war on the continent since 1945. The 29 page document accuses the European Union of censoring free speech and suppressing political opposition. It also celebrates the growing influence of what the administration calls patriotic European parties. Frank Sperling grew up in Germany and emigrated to the US 35 years ago. He thinks this is a tactic to weaken the eu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Supporting right wing movements in Europe creates.

[Adam Curry]

This national divide that so the doubt.

[John C. Dvorak]

Into European unity within the countries and hamper the progress towards that.

[Adam Curry]

The National Security strategy also questions whether European nations can remain reliable allies for the United States. Alfredo Anthony is a retired lieutenant colonel in the US army who served for seven years in Europe. He's never seen language like this in a national security strategy. Makes me feel like the parent who is just totally lambasting a child. Anthony, who lives in St. Petersburg, Florida, says the message is clear. Hey, Europe, we are no longer going to commit our resources to help you try to clear out everything in your backyard. You have to be the ones to do it. You have to take the lead. We bail you out. Too often our focus happens to be on the United States, happens to be on the Western hemisphere. You take care of yourself. Anthony worked with NATO keeping peace in the Balkans in the late 1990s. He predicts the transatlantic alliance will fragment and it'll cost the United States. It won't be able to rely on Europe as it did to fight in Afghanistan after the 911 attacks, or Project power for military action in the Middle East. Frank Lankford, NPR News Washington.

[John C. Dvorak]

My goodness, I'm glad they got dark funded.

[Adam Curry]

I am too.

[John C. Dvorak]

I, I can offset that with some news from Euro News about Greenland, which includes the Prime Minister elect of the Netherlands. And I have something to say about this at the end.

[Adam Curry]

Dutch Prime Minister elect Robert Jetton said.

[John C. Dvorak]

On Friday that U.S. president Donald Trump's territory territorial ambitions in Greenland were a wake up call for Europe. The centrist D66 leader stressed the need for stronger European cooperation to ensure security and prosperity, rather than focusing on the United States.

[Adam Curry]

Jeton made the comments after presenting his.

[John C. Dvorak]

Policy blueprint alongside his minority coalition partners.

[Adam Curry]

We can continue talking and complaining about the U.S. but what we should do instead is make sure that the European corporation is strengthened, that we can guarantee.

[John C. Dvorak]

Security and prosperity for our own citizens.

[Adam Curry]

And so one of my first things.

[John C. Dvorak]

That I will do as soon as.

[Adam Curry]

I'm in office is talk to my colleagues in Europe to see what role the Dutch can play again in strengthening the European cooperation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jetton said he would still seek closer cooperation with Washington on security, security, Ukraine and the economy. Last week, Trump dropped threatened tariffs on eight European nations, including in the Netherlands, amid his push for control of Greenland. So I'm going to introduce a term to the show regarding the prime minister elect, which I'd forgotten about when I lived in, in the uk I learned this term and it was recently brought to my attention again while watching season four of the Crown. Ropyettin is a friend of Dorothy.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

You've never heard this term?

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

A friend of Dorothy. Dorothy from the wizard of Oz.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Do you know what it means?

[Adam Curry]

No, I don't know they ever heard the term, so why would I know what it means?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, the Queen said, means you're gay, friend of Dorothy.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you know, I may now I should use that. It's possible. I have heard this term.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So the Queen would continuously say, oh, he's a friend of Dorothy. I think it's a. Oh, so you.

[Adam Curry]

Think this new guy's gay?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not like, think.

[Adam Curry]

He'S out gay.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's out gay. Yes. Yes. Okay, Friend of Dorothy. I'm gonna show my support by donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we do have a few more people to thank for show 1839. We're going to 18.

[John C. Dvorak]

1840. What does that mean?

[Adam Curry]

It means that's 1840. 1840 shows. It's unbelievable.

[John C. Dvorak]

1840. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

1840S. It must be shows.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a lot of shows.

[Adam Curry]

Year that it celebrates the year 1840. Maybe we can come up with some gimmick.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unlikely.

[Adam Curry]

But we do have a few more people to thank. And Adam's going to be here to thank them one at a time. Here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Jason and Audrey, come in. Parts unknown. 150. Thank you. The Brand family, Placerville, California.

[Adam Curry]

150 Placerville.

[John C. Dvorak]

Placerville. Thank you. Scott Fuller. 105.35. Christopher Burke in St. Paul, Minnesota. 100. 100. From John Whidden in Kodiak, Alaska. John Buell in Vista, California, also 100. Ah, there he is. The Duke of. What's that they got?

[Adam Curry]

The one he missed is in here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I was about to say that. But your backseat. Donate reading again. Yeah, just. Just be there to catch my mistakes.

[Adam Curry]

I'm here for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't front run me.

[Adam Curry]

I'm. I'm going for it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Kevin McLaughlin, the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs.

[Adam Curry]

He.

[John C. Dvorak]

He fixes his misdonation from the last episode because he comes in every single show with 80.

[Adam Curry]

I think it. I think he. It just came in after the time or. Or PayPal sucked on it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, he does say here donation snowstorm plus 12 plus inches so far. So maybe something. Oh, and he says donation itm. My apologies. Did not receive the newsletter reminder. Wow. So he does this manually every single week. It's not an automated thing. That's beautiful. Thank you, Kevin McLaughlin for your two boob donations. $80.08. Bart Hendricks in Herten in the Netherlands. 75. Dave Zavislak with a Bitcoin donation. 70. $66 one penny. And another Bitcoin donation unknown when it came through. Strike. $65.48. Thank you. Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona. Small boob, 6006. Nancy Murphy, San Bruno, California. 5721. Robert Taylor, New Brighton, Minnesota. 5678. We love it when you do the numbers. Same for Sir Dougherty, 5678. And Ryan Tierney in Stephen Stephens, City Steven City, Virginia. 5678. Dame Tracy in Sir Canebrake in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Louisiana. Double nickels on the dime. Corey Rule in Marion, Iowa. 53.70. Sir Pierre. He says everybody donated. It feels good. And he sends us $52.72. Same amount from Richard J. Lindquist. He says such sad kiddies. Please buy them some food. Referring to the newsletter. Soaps. Soaps in Payton, Colorado. 51. 50. David Eaves in Lake Forest, Washington. 5150. And we hit the 50s now with Nathan Knoll from Nederland, Texas. Joshua Johnson, Omaha, Nebraska. Terrence Clark, Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Tony Lang, Castle Pines, Colorado. Creamy Kincaid in Martinez, California. $50 voicemail from Holt Summit in Missouri, voicemail. Sir Michael Snohomish, Washington. And our last $50 donor, Dame Knight from Edmonds, Washington. Thank you so much and thank you to everyone who came in under $50. We don't read those to make anonymous, just to make sure, but we see you, we read you and we appreciate you. And of course all the layaway knights and dames, thank you so much for supporting the best podcasts in the universe. You too should be supporting us. Go to noagendadonations.com it's value for value. Whatever you get out of the show, just send it back to us. It's all up to you. It's completely open, free to you like free beer, but not really because you need to support the show. No agenda donations.com. Birthdays on the list which you have to send us. We don't maintain a list. Sir M. Of Spokane is smoking hot. Wife celebrates on February 4th. Sir Paul Schneidern also celebrating on the 4th and Sir M of Spokane, February 6th. We say happy birthday to these birthday boys and girls from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And then we do have have the three nights to bring up on no two nights to bring up on the podium and to pronounce the Kate them as knights of the no Agenda Roundtable. So if you can get your sword out, we will do this.

[Adam Curry]

There you go.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a beautiful sword. Jeffrey P. Rosser and Lucas T. Hop up here. Both of you supported the Noah Jenner show in the amount of $1,000 or more. That makes you knights of the no Agenda Round Table. And I'm very proud to pronounce the K the square. Sir Jeffrey P. Rosser and Sir Sloth of Local 4117 for you. We've got hookers and blow, rimp boys and chardonnay, Sammy Smith oatmeal stout and smoky and smoked baby back ribs. Oh, what a pleasure that is. Along with that we have geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger oil and gerbils, breast milk and Pablo. And as always at every single round table we've got the mutton and the mead here for you. Go to noagendarings.com everybody can go visit that site and just drool over that beautiful Noigena night. And dame ring. It's a signet ring so you can seal your important correspondence with it. We give you a couple of sticks of wax to do just that. And it always comes accompanied with a certificate of authenticity. Make sure you send in your ring size. There's a ring sizing guide on the website. And let us know where to send your handsome no agenda night ring. Thank you very much for supporting the no agenda show. No, Yeah, we do have a couple of meetup reports to play today, which is always nice. The first one is from Leo Bravo who's always out there in the Los Angeles area with his flight of the no agendas. This is the 71st meetup he's produced. Hey everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 71 at Marina Cafe in Wilmington, California. My friends have things to say.

[Adam Curry]

Hey guys, this is a Slick Rick having a great time over here in the morning. In the morning crackpot and buzz kill. We're here in beautiful Wilmington, California enjoying the lovely weather. There's a lot of ice out here, but I think we'll manage. Hey, John and Adam Sirlia Kim Faux.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pop still here in the people's Republic of California. Because I'm taxed so much I can't afford to leave.

[Adam Curry]

It's a beautiful day here at the the marina and I gotta go to Luma in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

And a report from the JCD 10.0 Meetup Report in the morning.

[Adam Curry]

This is sir Rick Houserton Crazy Steve.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ii at the JCD Meetup 10.0.

[Adam Curry]

He left early to count his silver.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dollars as the Duke of sf. Dude named Ben. Named Ben having a great time of.

[Adam Curry]

The best turnout we've ever gotten at an East Bay meet meetup. Hell yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is Ariana in the morning. This is Angela.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for your courage, sir Montauk saying hello from west Oakland.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is newly knighted Sir Sloth the Local 417 Shout out to Duke SF and Baron Anonymous cop. Happy to join your protectorate. And this is newly knighted sir Hefe.

[Adam Curry]

Drinker, a protector of the vines, drinker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of wine in the morning, night of the strawberry fog.

[Adam Curry]

Just here for the bourbon and brisket. Sir Julian here we're saying sadly we are still waiting for John's book review of minotaur milking farm lie LCDC here with a bunch of crazy people here. My name is Steve and I just.

[John C. Dvorak]

Came for the wings. Captain Luke enjoying bananas and rice. That sounds like a great group good time. Thank you all for getting John out of the house.

[Adam Curry]

We have a meetup close to 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

People as a should be you're an important you're a VIP man.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hey, there's a meetup taking place right now in Indianapolis at St. Joseph's Brewery and Public House. It is the Indy NA still shiny new Year meetup, the Climate Change alert. This of course changed because of the snowstorm. Dame Maria, Sir Mark of the Greenwood hosting that. Also the Central Jersey meetup. We drink, we know things. Maybe addition three o' clock underway as we speak in Keyport, New Jersey at 3BR Distillery on Thursday. Our next program, our next show day we have the Northern Wake agenda public gathering, six o' clock in Raleigh, North Carolina. Saints and scholars. You are. Are you manhandling your microphone?

[Adam Curry]

I admit to. I'm dicking around with a little swivel thing that is making noise. Noise. And I'm trying to figure out why.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you could mute that. It's just a thought, you know, I, I could.

[Adam Curry]

I'll just stop doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

There's a thought. Coming up this month on the meetup calendar, Mount Laurel, New Jersey, Eagle, Idaho Camp Hill, Pennsylvania, Longview, Texas, Charlotte, North Carolina, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Dallas, Fort Worth and San Francisco, California. Yes, John and I will be doing our stand up at all of these fine cities at great comedy clubs.

[Adam Curry]

Near.

[John C. Dvorak]

Near you just think about it, John. We could be doing a tour and selling tickets.

[Adam Curry]

Think about more overhead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, travel involves travel. Not that interested. Find out about all of these meetups. It's free to go. It's free to organize. There's a free website where you can get all of this information and set it up yourself. Noagendameetups.com thank you, sir Daniel, for continuously keeping that site running. We appreciate it. No agenda. Meetups.com connection brings protection. Yes, these meetups are stable. They will make you able. These are your first responders. In an emergency. Go to NoaGenDameetups.com to find one near you. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. Easy and always a parte.

[Adam Curry]

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's right. And we do have John's sip of the day on the way. And some banger end of show mixes. Some AI, some not some super, some slop. It's always here for you.

[Adam Curry]

Selection today is pretty good.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's a very good selection. I liked it as well. Let's see, we had. Who do we have? We, we have mvp, of course, and Bonald Crabtree. Yeah, some good stuff. Before you do that, we always want to select the end of show ISO in this Part of the show. It's the thing that we end the show with. It's some kind of man versus machine thing that John and I have been doing for a while. And I'll start off with the one we heard earlier.

[Adam Curry]

These guys are the best podcasters in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The universe, which I'm just amazed is that's an open source AI thing. I think that's pretty good. Here's my second one.

[Adam Curry]

Very powerful clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, it's good, right?

[Adam Curry]

You keep going, Derek, come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

The whole model is you stepping on my clip here. Hold on. The whole model is broken. I like the vocal fry.

[Adam Curry]

I like the vocal fry one here. You know, I'm going to put these clips in abeyance.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, I have a fourth one.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Thank you for your courage, your voice, and for all you do.

[Adam Curry]

A little long.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like the. The whole model is broken.

[Adam Curry]

No, the trump one has to be used. These guys are the best podcasters in.

[John C. Dvorak]

The universe and we will play that at the end. But first, it's time for John's tip of the day.

[Adam Curry]

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. I guess this involves a lecture and a tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

A lecture.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is another wine tip. People really love that method tip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, people love the wine tips.

[Adam Curry]

And even though it's up to nine bucks now, they changed the price. Still cheap and still good.

[John C. Dvorak]

They heard it on the show like, hey, let's jack it up. All those crazy podcast.

[Adam Curry]

So this is another one of those little box sets that Costco put together.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ooh, we like the box set.

[Adam Curry]

And this box set is painted turquoise. It's not just wood. It's actually went through trouble of painting it. And it's called the grand. The grand assembly grand. The grand assembly of. Of These Cremont, there's three wines. It's 49. It's not cheap. 49.95.

[John C. Dvorak]

You got three wines for 49.99.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, but the three sparklers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, they're all sparklers and they're all.

[Adam Curry]

French and they're all.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not a big fan of the sparkler sparklers.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you may not be, but a lot of people are. And I think they should be taken and drunk at dinner, their dinner wines. That's what the champagne people want you to do. Whatever wants you to do. Appreciate it as a dinner wine instead of a celebratory wine or something you dump on someone or christen a ship with. And they don't like the champagne People in particular don't like Their stuff being abused like that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, of course not.

[Adam Curry]

So Craymont is a special category of sparkling wine that's made in the method of champagne, but it's made throughout the country. And they're called Cremont to this Crement, to that crement, to this. Now, the. The ones that are in this. There's three of them in this package and they amounts to $16 and 60 cents a bottle, which is reasonable for a sparkler because champagnes, you. Even when you buy them direct from a guy who brings them in directly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Like, it's always going to be 25 bucks.

[Adam Curry]

No, well, 25 is low. A good. A decent champagne is going to cost you 35 bucks and up. And the stuff that you drink, which is Bollinger, is like 50.

[John C. Dvorak]

I drink v clico.

[Adam Curry]

I would not drink VOV unless it was vintage.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like Ballinger, but it's a little expensive. That's if we go eat with the.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you have somebody else buy it. Of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, hello.

[Adam Curry]

But. But you. If you like vov, you would like these Gremonts. I think they're better.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really?

[Adam Curry]

Well, VV Clicot is like. Except for the vintage. If you people want to drink Vauve Clicquot, go and look what the ones that have a vintage date. Boom. Now you're getting the good quality stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I just know this is.

[Adam Curry]

What you're drinking is mass produced junk.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's just junk, man. I'm just drinking junk. I mean, I might.

[Adam Curry]

That's why you don't like champagne.

[John C. Dvorak]

To kill myself. I'm drinking junk. We have, we have, we have the Heath Winery here. Heath and Heath does some great smoke. Sparklers. Texas sparklers.

[Adam Curry]

Well, good for them. I'm sure it's fabulous. I'm sure they're overpriced, by the way, for 18. Ah, you said by the way.

[John C. Dvorak]

I did. I stopped myself for 18 years. No matter what wine I'm drinking, John always says it's shit.

[Adam Curry]

I know that's not true.

[John C. Dvorak]

Unless it's somebody else's wine. That's some really expensive thing that I didn't buy. But anything. I'm like.

[Adam Curry]

But you drink.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I really like this wine. You're like, you all, you're always knocking my wines. I think it's just.

[Adam Curry]

So these three wines. 49.99. Yeah, that's the reason I'm doing these tips. I'm a wine snob. Of course I am. Now there's a creme. I'm sorry, a cremeont de. Where are the Three, there's a, There's a Cremanta Bordeaux which is extremely rare and I've never actually seen one before and I'm glad I got that. And then there's a Cremonte el sauce which is very common. They're using different grapes, but they're the champagne methodology. Except in Burgundy, which is the Cremente de Bourgogne, which they have in there. And this is the wine that is made with the same grapes they use in Champagne. Doesn't quite create the champagne chalkiness, but at the same time it produces a terrific product. And that's the stuff I'm always recommending people get for their. When they get married and they have the celebration afterwards, the special occasion, you pass out free champagne. You don't pass out free champagne, you pass out free Cremon. Nobody knows the difference.

[John C. Dvorak]

Except you. You be at the wedding going, what a crap wine you gave me.

[Adam Curry]

No, these Cremens are delicious. I'm not saying they're bad at all. All they're quite good. So I would recommend people pick this, pack up and get into Cremonts and drink them for dinner.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I recommend you go to noagendafund.com or tipoftheday.net and see all of John's tips of the day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, thank you to Dana Brunetti, of course. Where'd we be without him? Producer to the stars.

[Adam Curry]

Our suit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, our suit. I will be checking out the Grammys tonight for the Satan segment so I can report on that on Thursday show. Watch along with me for all of the fun end of show mixes, we got MVP and Bonald Crabtree and a nice trio coming up next on the no Agenda stream. Behind the schemes with Booberry and Lavish. Are they live? They might be live. They may be live or maybe they're just recorded. But it's going to be streaming live for you, so make sure you check that out. And we will be back with you on Thursday for another several hour episode of Media Deconstruction. Or for some of you, just catching up on the news with the boys. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country, home of Heath sparkling wines which are quite good in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where they make sparkling wine out here too. But again, not, not, not great. I'm John C. Dvorak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. Please in the meantime, remember us at no agenda donations.com subscribe to the New Letter Newsletter and adios mo foes, hooey, Hooey and such. Oh, they call him Adam the water.

[Adam Curry]

Boy Master of the spray he can name the salty reaches a thousand miles.

[John C. Dvorak]

Away yeah, he's out on the water boy Let the names roll off his tongue Singing songs of distant waters that have never yet been sung he's diving.

[Adam Curry]

In the Red Sea where the coral por is blooming Drifting through the Gulf.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of Suez in the afternoon he'll cross the Babel Manda where the narrow spirits fly into the Gulf of Eden Underneath a burning sky he knows the Somali sea and where the wild river flows Past the lack of at Devon Arabian where the heavy monsoon blows he's navigating homers where the cliffs are sharp and.

[Adam Curry]

Steep Naming every hidden hollow in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Belly of the deep he tracks the.

[Adam Curry]

Gulf of Omen to the Persian Gulf.

[John C. Dvorak]

Where the shadow Arab waters meet the salt and shed the shelf from the Gulf of Acre Grod to the Levantine up north Adam calls the casting seas and brings the maps to life and forth Adam always sees and seizes the.

[Adam Curry]

Seas and sells seashells by the seashore. I heard that I was stuck yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

And you didn't think that I would hear it could we hear you talking.

[Adam Curry]

Like that Getting everybody fired up so I'mma resist going to hit your back and I scream real loud Going to take you out that's like in an.

[John C. Dvorak]

Ice you out Getting everybody fired up.

[Adam Curry]

Going back y.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meet me at the beach there's no.

[Adam Curry]

Principals, no student teachers Both of us.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wanna be the winner but there can only be one so I'm gonna fight gonna give it my all gonna make you fall gonna icy too yeah, that's right I'm the last one skating Another one bites the dust Ooh, this my.

[Adam Curry]

Shit this my shadow this my shadow. This slice is bananas p a n.

[John C. Dvorak]

A n a s it's bananas b a n a n a s bananas.

[Adam Curry]

B a n a s.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just.

[Adam Curry]

Need cash cash, cash, cash cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just need cash A lot of people want to send blankets of water I know a lot of people want to send blankets of water Just send.

[Adam Curry]

Your cash Just send your cash we just need we we just need cash. Just to send your cash. Send your cash.

[John C. Dvorak]

We just need cash.

[Adam Curry]

Just send, send your cash. Just just send your cash I know a lot of people want to send.

[John C. Dvorak]

Blankets of water we just need cash.

[Adam Curry]

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