1840 - "Hoity-toity"

Summary

No Agenda Show #1840: "Hoity-toity"

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: February 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam and John embark on an energetic, irreverent exploration of current media narratives and scandals, with their signature humor and unfiltered commentary. The main focus is the massive data dump of Epstein files, media reactions, intelligence agency manipulation, the unraveling of legacy media like the Washington Post, and the cultural rot among elites. They also cover AI hysteria, politics, tech, and quirky trends.

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Major Themes & Key Segments

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The Epstein Files & Media Spin

Timestamps: 04:07–35:59

• The newly released Epstein files consume social media and traditional outlets, exposing links to high-profile UK and global elites, intelligence agencies, and global figures.
• Lord Mandelson Scandal: Detailed BBC and NPR coverage of UK House of Lords member Lord Mandelson, accused of leaking sensitive information to Epstein. The hosts mock the media’s euphemisms ("financier" vs. "pedophile"), and dissect the newly publicized emails.
  • "Do they explain exactly what information he was passing on? Because I have not seen this." – (12:48, John)
• Royal Family Involvement: Sarah Ferguson (Fergie) and her daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, are implicated; Ferguson's emails show a victim narrative while taking potshots at the Royal Family. Prince Edward comments on “the victims.”
• Epstein Interview & Steve Bannon: Adam points out an unnoticed tidbit – the newly-released long Epstein interview was conducted by Steve Bannon, yet no one seems to have noticed or reported that widely.
  • "It’s Steve Bannon... Bannon’s very easy to identify. But I don’t understand why no one’s mentioned this." (17:41, Adam)

Pivot to 'It Was Russia!' – Intelligence Angle

(25:48–36:59)

• A coordinated media narrative shift blames Russian intelligence (KGB, FSB) for the Epstein operation—with references to Russian women, blackmail, and connections to Putin—while briefly mentioning previous Mossad theories.
• LBC, Polish news, and Morning Joe speculate wildly about Epstein as a Russian asset, Peter Thiel’s involvement, bringing up Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine’s father) alleged Soviet connections, hinting at a cover-up or muddying of the waters by intelligence agencies.
• John and Adam point out the KGB dissolved in 1991, making those claims anachronistic and suspicious.
  • “They’re doing what they can... I think a lot of these documents are fake too. I think they've gone in there to muddy the water...” (33:27, Adam)

Muddying the Waters & Redactions

• Discussion on how the files are deliberately confusing, likely to protect the intelligence community and high-level elites. Speculation on whether the CIA, MI6, or Mossad is most responsible for tampering or redactions.
• Commentary on redacted victims’ names and legal definitions of “victims” and "pedophilia."
  • "There's a lot of young women who were of legal age who just participated in this. Very sad. But the world has always been this way..." (43:28, John)

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Meltdown of the Elites – No Envy Here

Timestamps: 44:53–59:01

• Adam and John hammer home that mingling with ultra-rich and powerful circles rarely yields true benefits outside that world. They lampoon the “wretchedness” of these elites, riffing on the unhappy fates of Epstein’s network, their constant exposure, scandals, and loneliness.
• Adam: “There's nothing to be envious of. You do not want to be in this group.”
• Prince Andrew, Melinda Gates, and figures like Bill Gates are all cited as “wretched,” lonely, or pathetic despite their money and status.

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Bill & Melinda Gates and the Epstein Fallout

Timestamps: 49:41–59:41

• The "Gates emails": Renewed scrutiny of Bill Gates’ ties to Epstein after emails allege Epstein was facilitating prescription antibiotics for “sex with Russian girls.” Adam and John find the scenario both plausible and ridiculous and lampoon the idea of emailing oneself as a classic intelligence tactic.
• Melinda Gates' media appearances are described as wretched and pitiful; much of the media's focus is on distancing statements and PR spin.
• “He may look like a dog and... she's wretched.” – (49:41, Adam)

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The Media Deconstructed: Washington Post Layoffs & Legacy Decline

Timestamps: 76:13–91:52

• Washington Post lays off a third of its staff—Adam and John dissect the outcry, media navel-gazing, and the inevitable decline of legacy journalism. They highlight the arrogance of old media and focus instead on the opportunities in podcasting and hyperlocal content.
• Jeff Bezos’s unwillingness to continue subsidizing WAPO is mocked.
• "Independent journalism? The Washington Post, known in D.C. as the Langley Gazette!" (79:59, Adam)

NPR as Example of Elitist Decay

• NPR’s coverage and push for “NPR Plus” is dismissed as elitist and desperate.
• The hosts recommend hyperlocal podcasting as the true antidote: “We just want to hear about the cattle futures at the market here in Fredericksburg...” (97:02, Adam)

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AI Hysteria & Corporate Pretending

Timestamps: 103:33–158:53

• Outlandish reporting about AI chatbots developing “rebellions,” sentience, or religion is mocked as media hysteria, with newsrooms simply parroting each other.
• Real stories: Listeners get sucked into chatbot relationships and “spiral” emotionally—highlighting cultural vulnerability and lack of tech literacy.
• Corporate America’s AI hype is pure bluff, as detailed by an IT pro’s hilarious internal memo: “We all rebranded our existing automation as ‘AI powered’ and called it a day... The problem is, now the executives actually believe their own bullshit...”
• "We're all pretending. We're all pretending. The whole industry is pretending." (158:53, IT pro/Adam quoting)

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Miscellaneous Fun: Music Industry, The Grammys, Manufactured Sensations

Timestamps: 65:13–69:14

• Discussion of the manufactured fame of artists like Bad Bunny, with John and Adam noting local Puerto Ricans are unfamiliar with his music despite his global star status.
• Commentary on how the music industry and live events are as manipulated as any news narrative.

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Political Jabbing: Trump, Dormant Scandals, Cults & Victimhood

Timestamps: 61:17–74:20

• Trump’s responses to the Epstein chatter are played and parodied, with John and Adam scrutinizing and mocking his deflections.
• The View’s coverage of Trump, Clinton, and Gates is ridiculed for hackneyed talking points.
• Extended lampooning of mainstream political narratives, especially related to voter fraud, mail-in ballots, and political cultishness.

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Running Gags, Memes & Notable Quotes

• Running Gag: Adam and John play the “by the way” game, keeping score of usage for comic effect.
• John’s recurring rants: “There's only so much talent in the world, and it's only a certain percentage of that talent which is competent enough to do things that are cool and not mediocre...”
• Bill Gates/Antibiotics: “Why beg a cretin for meds when you're worth a gazillion?” (Musical parody, 187:57)

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Highlighted Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is not envy. It's wretchedness.” (59:59, John and Adam riffing on elite downfall)
• “He's not the Podfather by any means or by any stretch of the imagination. That's stolen valor!” (03:08, Adam)
• “You go to Moscow, and... the place is crawling with whores. And they were cheap and plentiful. And they were all gorgeous. So you have... ‘How did he get these girls?’—stupid.” (26:32, John)
• “All the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.” (180:01, AI intro for show outro)
• “Hold on to your butts.” (Sam Jackson reference, re-mixed by the show, 178:00)

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Special Segments, Recurring Bits, and Tone

• Meta Commentary: Adam and John continually reflect on their own show, production values, and the state of podcasting.
• Listener-Producer Concepts: They reinforce the value-for-value model: listeners are “producers” and a core part of the show’s community and funding.
• Tip of the Day: Culinary - “Sumac”—John recommends it for burgers (181:13), Adam highlights "peaceandquiet.io" as a site for finding tranquil locations.
• Riffs on AI Overhype: Multiple segments parody the absurdity of both media panic and corporate AI posturing.
• Awards & Media Industry Satire: Joe Rogan’s refusal to submit his podcast for the Golden Globes is used to lampoon bogus industry awards.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:07] — Social media/Epstein discussion begins
• [10:28–14:01] — Lord Mandelson & BBC reports
• [16:43–18:02] — Sarah Ferguson, Royal Family
• [25:48–36:59] — Russian pivot/media paranoia/MI6-CIA speculation
• [49:41] — Melinda Gates as “wretched” and “pathetic”
• [76:13–91:52] — Washington Post layoffs/legacy media
• [103:33] — AI chatbot rebellion story
• [147:23] — Kennedy Jr. on dietary links to mental illness
• [181:13] — John’s “Tip of the Day”: Sumac

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Final Takeaways

No Agenda #1840 provides hard-edged, media-literate, highly skeptical coverage of the week’s news as filtered through their unique Venn diagram of irreverence, cultural critique, and community support. The show lampoons both left and right, decoding media manipulation and elite hypocrisy. The message: Don’t envy the powerful, don’t fall for coordinated media or AI panics, support independent media, eat real food, and stay out of the Epstein files.

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Transcript

[A]

Two guys. Two guys. There's two guys here. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak.

[B]

It's Thursday, February 5th, 2026. This is your award winning gibbonation media assassination episode 1840.

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This is no Agenda.

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Pointing at Putin and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

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And from northern Silicon Valley where everybody's doing the walking dance, I'm John C. Dvorak.

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It's Crack Vaugh with a walking dance.

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Yeah, I don't know about that.

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Huh? No. Is that a tick tock? A tick tock phenomena?

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It's been a phenomenon for six months at least, maybe longer.

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All right, well, you're on top of it. What is the. What is this? What is this?

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It's a cute little dance that people do. It's like a jig.

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Is it like the Running Man?

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It's closer to a jig than it is anything else.

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Is it like the Running Man? The walk? No. Okay.

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The walking dance, you'll believe me, you've seen it.

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No, I really don't think I have.

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I. You've never seen dancing, dancing kids.

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You are. You are now my canary in the coal mine.

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I.

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This. I can't. There's nothing of any value. There's nothing of any value on Instagram and TikTok for me, except when Tina has a new recipe which he's going to try this weekend.

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Oh, go. Let me guess. It contains cheese.

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Yes, it's cottage cheese chips. Just listen to that sound.

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I finally realized that it's the cheese council behind all these recipes.

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It has to be. Although this is cottage cheese, there's no melted goudge. There's still cheese.

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There's still milk involved.

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It's still cheese, I tell you. And the other reason I can't even go to X anymore, My X timeline, which is all that I ever look at, I just use that as an inbox, is filled with one topic and one topic only. Stolen valor. Stolen valor, I tell you, Code bongino coming in hot.

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The third group of people I want to address are the grifters out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back. Now I am back. The pod father is back.

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Did you. You talked over. Did you hear what he said?

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No, I'm sorry. I just like, wow.

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All right, listen again.

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Start it over. Starting from scratch. You don't.

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You don't. You don't need the whole.

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I won't be mumbling in the background in annoyance. There's out there who mistakenly thought I wasn't coming back. Now I am back. The Podfather is back.

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What?

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What?

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But wait.

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He has his nerve.

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It didn't stop there. I know.

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Gee's like, I know what you're going to tell me. You're getting ready to tell me. I got to take a break quick. But, gee, I want to get to this last one. W's, remember, this is for the Doomers. The Podfather's back.

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Stolen valor.

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I tell you, that is stolen valor. He is not the Podfather by any means or by any stretch of the imagination.

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And it's.

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That's stolen valor. That is exactly right. That is stolen valor. And it's shameful. But doesn't surprise me.

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I love you.

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The guy couldn't even stay in office for a year.

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I love you so much right now. I love you.

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Why?

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Well, because you're standing up for me. I love that.

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I'm not standing up for you. I'm standing up for truth and freedom. Exactly.

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Truth and freedom. Straight up. Well, that's kind of cool. I love how everyone's jumping. No, man. And then there's these endless threads. Let's be honest, Tom Green's the Pod father. Like, oh, this is why I can't go.

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That actually makes it worse.

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I can't. I cannot go on. I just can't. I can't go on. On Social. By the way, congratulations to you.

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Thank you.

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Very cool. You're in the Epstein files. This is awesome.

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Yes. JC discovered this too.

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This is great. And it really. It's very telling to me. It's like when. When even an innocuous email from you said with your typical. It's hilarious because it's like these four pictures all look like the same thing to me. You know, one of those from you, I'm like, then you have really emptied out the bottom of the barrel on the Epstein files. You really. There really can't be much more left.

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They got everybody. Well, one degree of separation, I guess. I mean, I did talk about, you know, having become that close to actually meeting this character.

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Yeah. Was that the party that the brand's 75th part birth? Was it 75. Whatever was that was.

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I think in New York, I didn't get invited. Well, I might have been invited, but. But my association with the Epstein files is that I was in the. On a cc.

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Yeah.

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Of some Brockman emails. According to jc, who's found a few of them.

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Oh, there's more than one. I've only found one.

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Oh, he says there's A couple.

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Oh, okay.

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Because Brockman sent a lot of mail.

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But maybe explain everybody who Brockman is, because you're just throwing that out there.

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My book. My literary agent. Or was. And I actually worked for him for a while too, as. As a literary agent part time.

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Were you screening the girls for him? No.

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I wish I did. That would have been a good, good job.

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That would have been dynamite.

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But no, yeah, no, I. It's pretty lame. So. But I. He was my literary agent, and he was. And I was part of a clique that he had put together of people that he tried to get together for events. And because I was. I was once famous back in the day.

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I'm reliable.

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Back in the day. Back in the day. And so I got cc'd, I guess, on one of these invites, because Epstein was notoriously invited to a couple of these things, including the one I didn't go to in Monterey, because I just wasn't going to drive that far. It wasn't worth my time. I've noticed over the years that meeting and mingling with the ultra rich doesn't bring any value or anything. It doesn't add anything.

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No.

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It doesn't break. But I don't get any more money and I don't get checks in the mail from that. Or it's just a waste of time.

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You don't have an ask. You don't have an ask. Like, hey, can you pay my rent? Can I organize your house and your. Your staff? You have no ask. That's the problem. Everyone else had an ask. Can you get a meeting with this guy? Can you do that for me? When's the party? Can you pay for my breast enlargement? It's. It's. You didn't have an ask. That's your problem.

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I never even thought of having an ask.

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Well, and that's why you didn't get anything. It's really. And of course all I get is Epstein emails. I mean, some of my favorites are. Look, he controls Bitcoin. Like, oh, man, that's a good one.

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He also. Well, he's apparently invented 4chan. Yes.

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And bash and the entire BASH shell.

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I don't know anything about bash.

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Somehow Bash is just a. It's just a Linux shell with shell commands. You know, it's just.

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Oh, and by the way, I want to congratulate you, since you congratulate me for being the Epstein files.

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Yes.

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My claim to. My latest claim to fame.

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You know, you should do a book. My Time with Epstein. My Time with Epstein. Instant bestseller. Finally it's three pages and the rest is all empty.

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I heard. I've heard of the guy. So we're running the show today on Linux?

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Yes, yes, we are.

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After 18 years, why not?

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And I'm so happy because we are running on the people software. Now, to be fair, the Rodecaster has a lot internally, but that's also running on Linux. The Rodecaster is also in essence, a Linux machine on the Internet.

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Oh, I did not know that.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I built the entire playout system myself. So you know all of the players. Yes, yes, that I'm quite proud of. So if anything goes wrong, then you.

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Didn'T use any AI, huh?

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Only AI, okay. Only Gemini. I built it in Python and QT libraries.

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Okay, we don't care.

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No, I know you don't care, but the point being, if you know what you're doing and you know what you want and you have an understanding systems, it can actually build something for you. If you don't, if you just say, hey, build me a playout system, you're going to be very disappointed. That's not going to work.

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Yes, I think what. That is a good message to, to convey.

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Yes. And we can talk about that later, but first we need to discuss the pivot. The pivot in the Epstein files, which is there's a pivot.

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I just want to mention that I think I have two clips from the whole thing and it involves the UK mostly. I have no domestic stuff.

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Well, let's get. Yeah, well, most of it is the uk. That's what's hilarious.

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What a shocker.

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Yeah, let's do your stuff and then I'll go into what I've discovered. What do you have?

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Well, let's see, I've got the Lord Mendelssohn stuff. Mandelson, sorry, yes, the Lord, the Lord, the guy, House of Lords, big shot, American ambassador to the USA was busted and this became a big thing and they. That's all the BBC is talking about. And this is Lord Mandelson, BBC One. Hello there. The news breaking in the last couple of hours is that Metropolitan Police is launching a criminal investigation into Peter Mandelson in the wake of new revelations about his links with the late sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein.

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In a statement, you notice that the BBC, they always use financier or sometimes disgrace financier and sex offender. They don't, they don't use pedophile as a word. It's just interesting how different.

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Interesting, interesting catch. Yes, financier Jeffrey Epstein.

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Because the real pedophile was. Was that. Jim will fix it guy. That was that. Now that was a pedophile.

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In a statement, Commander Ella Marriott said.

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I can confirm the Metropolitan Police has.

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Now launched an investigation into a 72 year old man, a former Government minister, for misconduct in public office offenses. The Met will continue to assess all relevant information brought to our attention as part of this investigation and won't be commenting any further at this time.

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Well, Peter Manelson has stepped down from.

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The House of Lords after the Prime Minister accused him of letting his country down. The latest Epstein emails that have come.

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To light suggest that the former Business.

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Secretary was passing on highly confidential and.

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Market sensitive government information to his friend.

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Jeffrey Epstein over a period of around a year at the time of the global financial crisis. Well, the BBC has approached Lord Mandelson for comment. This report is from our political editor, Chris Mason. What on earth is Lord Mandelson doing here? Excruciating pictures. Part of a deluge of detail. And there are plenty more snaps illustrating how close he was to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

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Oh, oh, oh, interesting. A little switcheroo there. The reporter says pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

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Yes, he did. Was to the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. And for every picture, thousands and thousands of words. Search for Lord Mandelson and page after page after page emerges. This is what we've been trawling through since the weekend. It contains jaw dropping detail, an emerging political scandal building to perhaps the biggest for a generation. I think there is widespread outrage at his conduct, but for those of us in the Labour Party, we feel that betrayal acutely because it is a betrayal of trust, it's a betrayal of values.

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Do they explain exactly what information he was passing on? Because I have not seen this. Yeah.

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In the second clip, Lord Mandelson was Gordon Brown's first Secretary of State, effectively his deputy when Mr. Brown was prime Minister. Take a look at this email exchange. Finally got him to go today. It reads he appears to tell Epstein Gordon Brown is going to resign as Labour's leader. Hours before he did and just the day before, the two appeared to swap emails involving highly sensitive financial information that only a handful of people in government would have known about. Downing street is clearly very keen to be seen. Seem to be responding quickly to all of this. Zakir Starmer told a Cabinet meeting this morning. It was appalling and disgraceful and Lord Mandelson had let his country down. Officials have also briefed the police on their assessment of the sensitivity of the information. This afternoon we found out Lord Mandelson will never Be seen here in the House of Lords again.

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The Clerk of the Parliament has today received notification from Lord Mandelson of his intention to retire from the house effective.

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From the 4th of February, that is tomorrow. But he can still call himself a lord. The government now wants to strip him of his title as quickly as possible. It's a year since Lord Mandelson became our man in Washington. His friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was well known, but not the detail that since emerged.

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Interesting to note that Mandelson is gay. He's married to a dude. So I'm not quite sure exactly what Epstein would have been able to service him with because there's no.

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Yeah, well, that's another dimension of the whole thing. Let's play your possible.

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What's your other. Your other clip?

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The other clip I had did. Those are the. It was about Fergie. She got busted too.

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Yeah, this is good.

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The public image, a close knit family, Mother and daughter, daughters supporting each other. But the latest batch of Epstein files has chipped away at the reputation of Sarah Ferguson and cast a shadow over her daughters, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. Yesterday, Andrew Manbat and Windsor was seen riding in the grounds of Windsor Castle today. No sign of him in public, but there was a first comment from a member of the Royal family. His younger brother, Prince Edward was in Dubai for an education summit when he was asked about the latest developments.

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I think it's really important always to remember the victims and. And who are the victims in all this? Absolutely a lot of victims in this.

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And from her emails to Jeffrey Epstein, it was clear Sarah Ferguson viewed herself as a victim. She's now closed her charity, Sarah's Trust, in the face of fresh revelations. They include an email to Epstein from 2010 where she takes aim at the media and the Royal Family. I am now a thousand per cent being hung out to dry, writes Sarah Ferguson. Just as I always said, no woman has ever left the Royal family with her head and they cannot behead me, therefore they will discredit me totally to obliteration. I have no words. Another email comes from Epstein asking for access to a Royal Palace. Sarah, he writes, could you or one of your daughters show Buckingham. Thanks. Access to the Royal family has got Sarah Ferguson into trouble before. In 2010, she fell for a Sunday newspaper sting filmed accepting money for access to her ex husband. Her journey within the Royal family has been troubled at times, but these Epstein files have shown a level of closeness to the convicted sex offender that has been especially damaging.

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You know.

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Yes, well, I was going to say the the sting on her was that she was asking for £500,000 to get the access. And I want to also add one other little thing. Have you seen the video? Now, they released a 1 1/2, 1 hour and 53 minute long interview with Epstein.

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I've seen parts of it. I have not seen the whole thing.

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Do you? Well, the thing that kind of caught my attention and I watched most of it, it's mostly about finances, so it's not very interesting. But what caught my. But there is some stuff about his sexual stuff, but nobody has. At least that I can find. Has said who the interviewer is.

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Oh, that's an interesting point.

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And I know who the interviewer is.

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Are you going to enlighten us?

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It's Steve Bannon.

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Oh, right. That's the, that's the infamous Bannon documentary tape. Right. So he must.

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Nobody mentions this. Abandoned. Doesn't mess it. But I, I just. You could tell by when you hear the void that Bannon's voice, of all the people out there, you can, you.

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Can hear his voice.

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He is very distinctive because he has all kinds of speech impediments.

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Yeah.

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And so Ban is very easy to identify. But it's. But I don't understand when no one's mentioned this. Well, I find it peculiar, to be honest about it.

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Well, if we recall from. What's that guy's name? The Trump hater who interviewed Trump hater.

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Let me think.

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There's a lot. There's a long list.

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Who could this be?

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That creepy guy who.

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Creepy Trump hater. Let me think. Let me get the book out.

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Who was writing a book about him, who helped him? He advised him on his PR as well. Anyway, I can't remember his name. Wow. Yeah, I know. It's like there's so many of those. He said that that tape was. The interview was owned by Epstein. Even though Bannon did it. It was all financed and paid for by Epstein. So that's why it was, I guess somehow in the files. I mean, it's Wolf. Michael Wolfe. Thank you. Trolls. Michael Wolff, he, he, he said that he had tapes, but they're his. I won't sell them. But Bannon stuff is out there. Well, yeah, Sounds uninteresting, but it's, it's, it's.

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Well, it actually is interesting from a, from a financial perspective because he does have some insights.

[B]

Well, sure, sure.

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Scams that go on.

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Yes.

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But it's got nothing to do with anything in this situation.

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What I find interesting is the amount of people who email me, you Know, with a link. And look at this. And. And everyone's so cynical and pessimist, pessimistic. I'm like, what did you think this is? This. This is exactly what money and politics and show business brings. This is what it is. And we're still here after 18 years because we can't go. We don't feel like going to the party for some reason.

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We don't. Yeah, well, yeah, for a lot of different reasons. Well, you're in Texas.

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Well, but even back in.

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You've actually run from it.

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I was in mtv, at mtv and I didn't go to any of this. I didn't even know if there, if there was an invite. I never got it to any of this cool stuff. But look at how it turns out for these wicked people. They are unhappy. They're wicked.

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You should all die.

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They're wicked. Unhappy, exposed, diseased, indebted, owing favors, groveling, ostracized, exposed.

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You know, I don't see any embarrassing. I don't. Yes.

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So there's nothing to be envious of. You do not want to be in this group. And then. And, And Prince Andrew. Oh, man. I was like, all right, go live over here.

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Meanwhile, new fallout for now. Former Prince Andrew, whose connection to Epstein has been documented for years. Andrew appears in the newly released files in photos, leaning over a young woman lying on the floor. Now, amid growing outrage in the uk, Andrew has.

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So you, you, you saw that picture, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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What is it? Who cares?

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They could be put.

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It's like the woman's passed out and he just gave her mouth to mouth. I mean, this doesn't. Who knows what that picture is? It's ludicrous. It's not naked.

[B]

They could have been playing Twister.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Actually in lying on the floor. Now, amid growing outrage in the UK, Andrew has moved out of the 31 room Royal Lodge earlier than expected. He's now living on his brother King Charles privately owned estate. British tabloids upping the pressure on the royal family. One headline reading, Charles must now face questions. Vice President J.D. vance said he would support Andrew being called to testify before Congress.

[B]

I'll let them determine whether they should talk to. Yeah, right.

[A]

Certainly be open to it, but it's their call, not mine.

[C]

At the White House yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files.

[B]

Now you're. You're stepping on the line. You're stepping. I'm sorry, I know, but this is a line. They keep you.

[C]

Yesterday, President Trump, who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles.

[B]

Mostly news articles. They always. Hell, he's mentioned hundreds of times, mostly news articles said this.

[A]

I think it's really time.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm just going to say that that's a good catch because. Yes. So this is the slant of the media. He's mentioned hundreds of times. Then they go parenthetically say mostly news articles.

[B]

Yeah, parenthetically, that is a good term. Exactly. In parens.

[A]

Bull crap. You know, these people should be ashamed. These. The media is gone. So downhill, it's unbelievable.

[B]

Oh, we're not even there yet.

[C]

A President Trump who's mentioned hundreds of times in the newly released files, mostly in news articles, said this.

[A]

I think it's really time for the country to get onto something else now that nothing came out about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally by Epstein and other people.

[C]

Trump says he cut off all ties with Epstein many years ago.

[B]

So there's all these interesting examples and I love all our producers. I love it that you send me stuff. And there's this one, apparently an email sent to the FBI maybe, and it's this long rant and it's just all. All crazy conspiracy shit.

[A]

That's good stuff.

[B]

It's a fantastic email. But in it. So it's sent to me as well, there's evidence of the masks being used. And I read it, it's like, well, Biden's mask. I'm like, I think my testimony of 1967 from my own family members who told me that they were fooled by masks, intelligence created masks is a little better than what the Epstein file shows.

[A]

Yeah, we've been talking about these masks. We had them. We had the. We have clips from the. The costumer of the CIA herself talking about the masks. And you've talked about the mask that you've seen. And there's videos of masks on various networks. You can see them, social networks. So it's not like a shocker that there's masks here and there.

[B]

You know, you should just. You should really make business cards. Chauncey Dvorak, as mentioned in the Epstein files, I'm thinking this is good for you.

[A]

It's not good. People always take. Take these things the wrong way.

[B]

So here's the pivot. This is interesting. The first thing to note is that the law as written by Congress to release the files, which I really think they released everything they had because except for whatever, they're supposed to hold back for redactions. And that by itself. I have another clip on that, but There was no mandate by any intelligence agency to release anything. So the CIA doesn't have to release anything, interestingly enough.

[A]

Oh, that's interesting. To another nice one.

[B]

Yes. They didn't have to release everything, but we did see in the files that were released that Epstein himself sent in FOIAs to say, Hey, I want to know what you have on me in your files, which is probably not a bad idea. I probably should do that for myself. And maybe in 2030, I'll get it. But there's a pivot now suddenly taking place across the media, across the world. And we start with lbc, London Broadcast Corporation, Andrew Marr. Listen to this.

[A]

Let me begin tonight with something that I think is even more important, even more extraordinary. Growing suspicions of a Russian connection and apparently limitless supplies of money. Where did it come from? He procured many young Russian girls. Why was that so easy for him? The files released. Can you stop? Can I. I can already answer that. Why was it so easy? Russian whores are easy to get.

[B]

Boom, there it is.

[A]

And when you go, you know, the first thing, when I went to Moscow, and of course, it was during the Communist era, you were warned.

[B]

And when I went there, too, like, they're all kgb. They're warned, kgb.

[A]

They said the place is crawling with whores. And the number one place, if you wanted to go find them, the International Hotel, I think it's called the International. One of them. It's one specific hotel. It was just crawling with girls. And they were cheap and plentiful. Cheap and plentiful. And there was tons of them, and they were all gorgeous. And so you have. Oh, my God. How did he get these girls? Is stupid.

[B]

Well, there's a reason for this.

[A]

I think he procured many young Russian girls. Why was that so easy for him? The files released show more than 1000 documents which referred to Vladimir Putin, Putin, and 9000 referring to Moscow. The FBI says that he was Putin's wealth manager. Epstein filed.

[B]

I did not see this. I did not see any document that the FBI said he was Putin's wealth manager. So I'm not sure where this is coming from, but we'll. We'll get an idea soon that he.

[A]

Was Putin's wealth manager. Epstein filed all of his messages. He filmed and taped powerful Western leaders in deeply compromising situations.

[B]

No evidence of that that I've seen, but. Okay.

[A]

Why? Yeah, name one.

[B]

Yeah, well, I mean, they released video, but not that video.

[A]

Wonder at least about the possibility of a KGB operation big enough to ensnare former presidents and Prime Ministers and the leaders of some of the world's most powerful companies. I know, I know this all sounds impossibly sensational. Conspiratorial. A James Bond villain plot in real life.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But there is so much smoke billowing out of one of the most extraordinary establishment crises in my lifetime that it is well worth exploring whether there might be also a genuinely ominous backstory.

[B]

Okay, so this is launched over in the uk. Take note here saying it's Russia. It's Russia and we go over to Poland.

[A]

Suspicions are growing and action is now being taken for Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk. The latest information included in the release of over 3 million files adds to concerns that the Epstein pedophilia scandal was co organized by Russian intelligence. This has pushed the Prime Minister to.

[B]

Ask for a probe to be conducted.

[A]

Into Epstein's possible links with Russia's secret services as well as to Tusk's own country.

[B]

A growing number of commentators and experts assume that it is highly probable that this was a premeditated operation by the Russian kgb. This so called honey trap set for the elites of the Western world, primarily the United States. This can only mean that they also possess compromising material against many leaders still active today. Suspicions that are fueled by the release.

[A]

Of emails showing the length of. Epstein and his associates went to recruit young Russian women with documents, including requests to book flights from Moscow to Paris and to New York. A honey trap designed to blackmail the global elite. Vladimir Putin is named over a thousand times in the latest documents. Exchanges discussed appointments to come between Epstein and the Russian president, including after Epstein was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution. Previous emails also appeared to show Epstein offering advice to politicians on how to deal with Donald Trump. The question as to whether he was working for secret services isn't a new one.

[B]

For years, some have suggested Epstein was.

[A]

In fact working for Israel's Mossad. Donald Tusk said that he would encourage others to pursue an international investigation.

[B]

So I thought this clip was interesting because they bring up Mossad. There's clearly an intelligence agency behind this story. Yeah.

[A]

And this is who would obfuscate all this. And by the way, thank you. Yes, you're welcome. And one thing to note, that's a.

[B]

Good way to circumvent it.

[A]

Yes, one thing to note, the KGB was dissolved in 1991. Why do they keep referring to the KGB as having anything to do with this?

[B]

Excellent point. So it's either CIA, Mossad, or perhaps it's MI6. And look at who shows up on the Morning Joe Show. Ed Loose. Is that his name? From the Financial Times? Ed Loose. Loose. Lucci Luce, Lucy Lu.

[A]

I don't know how to pronounce. I don't know.

[B]

Listen to this.

[A]

The web that Epstein spun has an. A large number of Russian points on it and that seems to grow with each data dump. This goes back to Robert Maxwell, the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, a British media tycoon who was an intelligence source for the Soviet during the Cold War. You see in the communications that Epstein has with people like the late Vitaly Churkin, who was Russia's ambassador at the United nations, deep coordination. It's not necessarily proven that he was meeting his handler, but he met Cherkin for lunch along with Peter Thiel, the day that the Clinton emails were dumped. This is an extraordinary sort of coordination that was.

[B]

Was going on and conversations and knowledge.

[A]

That imply at least prima facie evidence that Epstein was very intimately involved. Wait, are you saying Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Thiel met with Russia's ambassador to the United nations on the day of the document dump, the Clinton emails? Actually, it was the day when the tape. The grabbing her by the. I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say on breakfast. Oh yeah.

[B]

But it was Dave. Adequate. What am I allowed to say? I'm Miz now.

[A]

And then Peter Thiel a few days later was the only person who donated money to Trump. After that, those tapes were released. So. And the knowingness about the Guccifer 2.0 Prigozhins, various operations that were hacking the email server, the knowledge that Epstein betrays about that is pretty strong evidence that he was involved.

[B]

This tells me.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

That they're. That because Peter Thiel, if he's anything his CIA, if anything, the whole Palantir thing was. Yeah, totally CIA operation. But I think they're trying to cover for MI6, you know, bring in Robert Maxwell. He was an MI6 agent. Well, we all know he worked for the KGB. Yeah. When KGB was a thing. So this is a pivot that is.

[A]

I think you're. I think you're. This is good stuff. I. I'm glad you got it. What it's. To me, it seems obvious that one of the. It's either CIA or MI6 that are. Are doing what they can. And I think a lot of the documents are fake too. I think they've gone in there to muddy the water because it gets people all riled up. There's a lot of screwball stuff in there that is sure is.

[B]

It's great stuff.

[A]

Yeah. But it's screwy, but. Yeah, but I, I'm convinced that one of the reasons that it took so long to get this stuff out is because they had to plant this stuff and, and then make it look like it's been there for a while.

[B]

Who is they, in your mind?

[A]

Well, I'm, I'm thinking the CIA. That's. That's doing the muddying, because I think they're good at that. But it.

[B]

And then.

[A]

And I think they're better at it than MI6, and I think that. That they agreed to do it maybe on the behalf of MI6.

[B]

Yeah. Because something's going to come out about MI6 with all these Brits that are involved. It has to. I mean, it just keeps on going and going and going.

[A]

I think we. I think our people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Might be doing their people a favor. Or.

[B]

Or we'll do you a favor, but you owe us one.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Because the MI6 guys have been working against the United States for a while, and this might be some way to put him in line. And by muddying the. Okay, we're going to muddy this up for you. We're going to throw a bunch of crap in here that just doesn't make any sense. And my favorite was, okay, you got to go ahead to kill him. Who, What? When? We don't know anything. Now just throw this. Just a bunch of junk in there, in with the good stuff so you can't tell what's what, and then let the chips fall where they may. But we. We did our part.

[B]

Now, could it be Mossad? What would. What would their angle be for doing this?

[A]

I don't think. I don't think Mossad had access to the. I don't think Mossad or MI6 had access to the original documents in such a way that they could muddy the waters.

[B]

Well, someone's being put on notice with this. And to blame it all on Putin is great.

[A]

It's the blaming it on Putin thing makes it even more ludicrous.

[B]

And KGB.

[A]

And KGB, which, again, people should realize KGB is. No, after 1991, there is no KGB. So people start talking about KGB, they don't know what. They either don't know what they're talking about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or they're. Or they're. Or. Or it's code.

[B]

Here's. Let me see, what do we have on this one? Yeah, this is npr, of course, jumped in. Here they are, the Morning Edition, talking about going back to Mandelson. Police in the United Kingdom have opened a Criminal investigation into the country's former ambassador to Washington. It's over. Allegations he leaked sensitive government information to Jeffrey Epstein. NPR's Lauren Freyr reports from London.

[C]

This is the line Peter Mandelson is famous for.

[A]

I am a fighter and not a quitter.

[C]

After a political comeback 25 years ago, he's been an MP, a cabinet minister, envoy to the U.S. a post he resigned from last year over his friendship with the late sex offender Epstein. Now Mandelson has also quit the House of Lords over the latest Epstein files released by the U.S. justice Department.

[B]

What we found was extraordinary tax.

[C]

Attorney and think tank founder Dan Needle sifted through the latest trove. Photos of Mandelson in his underwear, alleged payments Epstein made to Mandelson and his husband, and emails from when Mandelson was a cabinet secretary after the 2008 financial crisis.

[B]

Peter Mandelson was forwarding sensitive government emails to Epstein. Not just sensitive UK Government emails. He was leaking UK and US Government secrets essentially to Wall Street.

[C]

Police are investigating whether that was criminal. Mandelson did not answer NPR's calls and hasn't commented on the email allegations. Issued a statement saying he has no recollection of payments. But this episode raises questions about Prime Minister Keir Starmer's judgment in naming him ambassador just over a year ago.

[A]

Many people love him. Others love to hate him.

[C]

Starmer joked about Mandelson's reputation in a D.C. visit last year.

[B]

But to us, he's just Peter, Peter, Peter.

[A]

Okay, well, that.

[B]

Wait, code for penis.

[A]

No, no, that's. No, there was that laugh at that. The, the setup. That was a setup. I have to explain what happened there because they make it. They took so out of context. That was Starmer doing a presentation introducing the new ambassador, but he was indicating that he was talking about Trump.

[B]

Oh, wow. They really pulled that out of context.

[A]

He was talking about Trump. And then the punchline was Peter at the end. But you know, it was like a lead in. He's like. And he's got the funny looking hair and he's, you know, he's been, he grabs somebody by the such and such and he da, da, da, da, da. So I want to thank you, introduce everybody to Peter.

[B]

Oh, I see.

[A]

And so it gets a big laugh because it was, it was a set, it was a constructed joke. And the way they presented it to you would never know that.

[B]

That's good. Well, NPR in general is very disappointed by the politicization of this all and even the organization of the files.

[A]

It's going to take a long time.

[B]

A long time to really understand what's.

[A]

In the Epstein file. So what's the reaction been right now?

[B]

People who have been disappointed with how the Trump administration has handled the files and how they've been released and not released, and they're still disappointed.

[A]

There are some members of Congress who say the Justice Department has not complied.

[B]

With the law they passed. At the same time, there has been.

[A]

This back and forth with the House.

[B]

Oversight Committee led by Republican James Comer.

[A]

Over attempts to get former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary.

[B]

Clinton to testify in their separate ongoing Epstein probe. So the release of these files pertaining to serious things like sex trafficking and.

[A]

Abuse over a period of many years has been politicized from the start.

[B]

And, and I would expect that to.

[A]

Continue even as the Justice Department says to not expect any other charges coming in the future. And we got a few seconds here.

[B]

Stephen, it can't be easy to look.

[A]

Over all this stuff.

[B]

Oh, it's just a task. But I'm an npr, so I jump on the grenade every time. No, because there's no rhyme or reason to how the Justice Department has put this out there. So it's a little bit trying to find a needle in a haystack, but.

[A]

That needle might be blacked out and.

[B]

It might be in a completely different haystack, and you don't even know where the hay is.

[A]

Right. That's NPR's Stephen Fowler. Stephen, thanks a lot. Thank you.

[B]

And so I have a question about some of these redactions and the term victims. We'll play this NPR and then we'll talk about it.

[A]

A federal judge in New York will hold a hearing tomorrow after lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's victims said their names and identifying information were released by the Department of Justice. That unredacted information was part of the department's latest release on Friday of millions of documents. NPR's Stephen Fowler heads up the NPR team looking over all of this. So, Stephen, what are some of the things that were supposed to be redacted in the Epstein files under the Epstein.

[B]

Files Transparency act law?

[A]

It's things like the personal identifying information of victims, a child's sexual abuse material, things that depict death, abuse, injury, other.

[B]

Sort of information that would jeopardize any ongoing investigations or prosecutions. And there are plenty of things that fit the bill. When you look at the internal files.

[A]

Released by the Justice Department about their investigations, sorting through various vetted and unvetted.

[B]

Claims about sexual abuse from Epstein and.

[A]

Other prominent figures, then a there are.

[B]

Plenty of things that don't really have any readily available reason as to why they're redacted.

[A]

Okay, like what? Well, there are plenty of names of people, Justice Department officials, other figures accused of abuse and assault, people that texted or emailed or corresponded with Epstein that are kept in the dark.

[B]

There's one thread of text messages with former Trump adviser Steve Bannon where Epstein's.

[A]

Name is the one that appears to be blocked.

[B]

And there are numerous documents that appear.

[A]

Heavily redacted in one part of the files.

[B]

You search somewhere else, and everything is all out in the open.

[A]

That's everything from an FBI employee talking.

[B]

About the discovery that Wisconsin is a state northwest of Chicago to names of.

[A]

Known victims and what appear to be victims that haven't been made public before.

[B]

So they talk a lot about victims. And, you know, pedophilia is. It's actually, there's no term in criminal law. There's no charge for pedophilia. Pedophile is a clinical term, which is a mental. It's even in our favorite DSM criminal law is, you know, sexual assault of a child, indecency, lewd or lascivious acts, sexual abuse. And that varies per state. It could be 15, 16, 17, 18. But there's a lot of young women who were of legal age who just participated in this. Very sad. But the world has always been this way. Hey, maybe I can get a gig at Victoria's Secret, and we go hang out. And then they say, well, or you're a stripper. Like, hey, we'll pay 50 grand to.

[A]

A movie if I just sit on this couch.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, this is. We learned that. Well, we. We know this, but this was learned with Weinstein. You know, it's like, but are they victims? Are they victims because they got gypped out of money?

[A]

Gavin Newsom's wife.

[B]

But that. But this. This is a serious victim. Well, that's. That's the question. And so not wanting to be named because you're embarrassed of what you did is different, I think, from being a victim. They make it sound like everybody's a victim. And a lot of women were participants. It's not a popular thing to talk about because you got to be against the horrible pedophiles. But there were young women of legal age who were like, oh, yeah, I can get in the movie. I'm close to power. I can do this, I can do that. You never know. What an opportunity. Please let us learn from this and teach your children that being an influencer is not going to get them any closer to a movie. It's pathetic. It's pathetic. No, it's this. Here's a teaching moment for everybody. Now you want to talk about victims. Holy moly. What's going on in Norway? This is a mess. And you know, I've been watching the Crown, we've been watching all these period pieces and the entire royal family for six seasons seems only to be concerned with how the newspapers portray them, which is really what it's all about. And meanwhile they're unhappy, wretched people. Unhappy, wretched people. I remember meeting the Queen thinking you look unhappy and wretched. Sorry Brits. Listen to this. What's going on in Norway with the royal family?

[C]

Dozens of people lined up in front of the courtroom in Oslo eager to secure a spot to watch the trial of Marius Boghoibi. The eldest son of Norway's Crown Princess has been charged with more than 30 offenses including four counts of rape, drug offenses and assault.

[B]

They don't have control at home. And the king is, or the coming King Hkon is commander in chief of the military. How he's gonna handle the military if.

[A]

He can't even handle his own house?

[B]

I find it really disturbing as well.

[C]

29 year old Marius Borghoibi was arrested on 4th August 2024 for assaulting his partner. During the inquiry. Please. Police discovered additional crimes including the alleged rapes of four women, some of which were filmed. Borg Hoiby denies the most serious accusations. If convicted he could receive 16 years in prison. He has admitted being dependent on alcohol and has declared having mental health issues. While he's a son of the Crown Princess, he's not an official member of the royal family as he's a child of a previous relationship before meta marriage married the Crown Prince of Norway. The news comes at a bad time for Norway's royal family. Two days before the trial began, Mette Marit's name featured heavily in the latest release of documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein. Norway's future Queen has apologized for her friendship with the disgraced financier, which she now describes as embarrassing.

[B]

And this is it with these royal families. They all have, you know, they've got their expense accounts, they've got their, their allowance and their board and they could, they have to do official things and then, then they go hang out and party hardy this everywhere. I, I mean there's so many examples.

[A]

This again kind of pushes me in the direction thing. It's the CIA that muddied the water as a way of getting favors, future favors from these people.

[B]

Yes. And also I think Just sheer boredom. I have seen this with so many kids of rich people, then how their parents treat them and you know, they. Okay, okay, dad, whatever. I just got to keep my allowance. Can I use the yacht? I've seen it firsthand.

[A]

It's pathetic.

[B]

It's pathetic. There's nothing to be envious of. This is how it always ends with these people. Yeah, sorry.

[A]

I don't know that there's envy involved.

[B]

No, envy of. Most people are like, like, I wish I was rich. I wish I was famous. I wish I hung out with politicians and cool stuff. It's wretched. That's my point.

[A]

Are you shaking your fist?

[B]

I am shaking my fist.

[A]

Now this is what I'm seeing. I'm seeing you there with your fist in the air, shaking it.

[B]

Because you and I know this. We know this. And by some grace of God, we have been diverted from ever being involved in any of this. There's nothing, no skeleton's going to pop out of our closet.

[A]

It.

[B]

It's like, oh, this is great, but this is it. This is. I give my first wife credit. I really do. She said, nah, you don't need to go to that party. No, I stay at home. Yeah, I'll work on my show prep for tomorrow. You know, so I. But the, the.

[A]

Well, I'm still known in the family for somebody who cancels the whole, like a whole thing at the last minute.

[B]

Paid. A paid trip.

[A]

Well, you know, I'd rather get an hour's sleep. Sleep.

[B]

Here's a real victim. The real victim is Melinda Gates. Even though she really.

[A]

She's so pathetic.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

Wait, wait, before you. There's a bunch of these. Her clips are on and I saw one of them through some doom scrolling. There she is. And I never turned the sound on. And that's actually much more revealing to watch her go on and on without the sound because it's the looks that she has. She looks like a beaten dog. She's kind of depressed looking. Her eyes have been moving closer together, her eyebrows.

[B]

Again, a billionaire. Wretched.

[A]

Seems like a wreck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's actually making herself look terror. She looks terrible.

[B]

Well, this clip includes an interview that Bill Gates did for Australia News Channel 9, I believe, responding to what you brought up on the previous show about, you know, this, this email that Epstein sent to himself about how should Bill, you know, slip some antibiotics to Melinda because he has STDs. I mean, this, this. Yes, she may. She may look like a dog and she. And she may. But she's wretched. Because she is a victim of this in. In a sort.

[C]

It's a connection billionaire Bill Gates is being forced to explain.

[B]

And every minute I spent with him I regret and I, you know, apologize.

[A]

That I did that. Although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.

[C]

The Microsoft co founder knew Jeffrey Epstein for years, but their ties are under renewed scrutiny after the U.S. department of justice justice released a trove of documents last week. In an interview with Australia's nine News, Gates denies allegations of inappropriate behavior. Epstein sent emails to himself in July 2013 containing unverified claims of helping Bill to get drugs to deal with the consequences.

[B]

By the way, that's. Oh, we gotta catch myself. That was.

[A]

Ah, you know, I caught it after the fact.

[B]

Yeah, that's a very CIA thing to do. Send yourself an email or save it in drafts. Have you ever sent yourself an email?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, you have?

[A]

Many a time.

[B]

Oh, I never sent myself an email.

[A]

Well, I have. Here's the circumstance. I have a file, I'm on the road. I have a file, I'm written something or something and I gotta do it. I wanna save it as a draft, but I don't want to have to deal with it being on the laptop. So I'll mail it to myself. I've sent a lot of emails to.

[B]

Myself and does the email you send to yourself get blocked by your spam filter?

[A]

It has, believe it or not. I believe it and here's why. Wait, I'll tell you why. Because I've got a workaround so it doesn't happen. But the reason is, according to the email, the theory of the spam filter is that there is a lot of people that spoof your own name to send you email. And it's a very common, if a very common spamming technique. So that gets blocked.

[B]

The current status is Adam 2 by the way's John 1 by the way. So this is now being. Being kept track of which is good. This was. Again, I've said the term twice. You've said it once on this show.

[A]

Oh yeah, I missed. Okay.

[B]

This was a very different type of. This wasn't just a. Gotta remind myself. It was two full paragraphs. I'm not sure what that was about.

[A]

About what?

[B]

The email Epstein sent to himself about Bill Gates. It was, it wasn't just a reminder.

[A]

There's another CIA trick or I don't know if it's CIA, but just a general intelligence trick where you create. Where you send yourself emails and you give somebody else access to the account and so when they're sending you messages you never.

[B]

You've never sent it. Yes, that's what I mean.

[A]

You never sent or received such a message. So it can't show up in discovery.

[B]

Didn't Petraeus do that with his lover?

[A]

Yeah, he used to write. Exactly. He used to send emails to himself. And she would go to the email account. His email account because she had the password, which was one of the problems. But she had the password to his email account and then she'd look, that's how she'd get the message. That's a very common way of doing things.

[B]

Let's continue.

[C]

Of sex with Russian girls while also facilitating trysts with Mary.

[B]

Interesting. There's the Russian girls again in this report. That's interesting.

[A]

Yeah, the Russian girls. I thought that. Right. I didn't notice it so much in that email. That long winded thing. Maybe I missed it because the Russian girls thing I thought came name. I thought it was derived from the AI. That was the funny AI bit that was done. I don't know if you saw it where Bill scratching himself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bitching about having a itchy dick.

[B]

Another, another great use of $1.3 trillion of investment. It's beautiful.

[C]

Unverified claims of helping build to get drugs to deal with the consequences of sex with Russian girls while also facilitating trip with married women. And that Gates requested antibiotics from Epstein to surreptitiously give to Melinda, his now ex wife.

[B]

Apparently Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is, you know, false. Little laugh tale in there, Billy boy. Just a little one. That email was never sent. The email is.

[A]

Yeah, there it is.

[C]

Bill Gates relationship with the disgraced Financier began in 2011 after Epstein was convicted of soliciting prostitution of a minor. Bill Gates says his interactions with the pedophile were limited to dinners that he never visited Epstein island and that his focus was on funding for his charity, the Gates Foundation.

[B]

Since you only saw it with the sound off, I'll give you a short minute of Melinda Gates responding.

[C]

Billionaire philanthropist Melinda French Gates is speaking out after her ex husband Bill Gates appeared in the newly released Epstein files. For me it's personally hard because brings back memories of some very, very painful.

[A]

Times in my marriage.

[C]

The couple divorced back in 2021. Now Gates addressing the Epstein scandal with NPR's Rachel Martin.

[A]

Whatever questions remain there of what I don't, can't even begin to know all of it. Those questions are for those people and.

[B]

For even my ex husband.

[A]

They need to answer to Those things, not me.

[C]

While Bill Bates has previously said his meetings with Epstein were a, quote, huge mistake, his mention in the newly released documents are fueling fresh scrutiny over the nature of their association. And I hope there's some justice for those now women. Asked about the new files, a spokesperson for Bill Gates called the latest allegations completely false and said the only thing these documents demonstrate is Epstein's frustration that he did not have an ongoing relationship with Gates.

[A]

Gates, one more little aspect to the male, to yourself. If. If Epstein and Gates's relationship. Relationship was such that they were pulling that stunt, which is the Petraeus stunt, we'll call it. That's really indicting. So by pointing it out, though it was just a male to himself. I don't know. I had nothing to do with it. That makes it sound. That's actually worse.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Because that means you were. You were. You knew what was going on to an extreme and you were cautious. And this was a step toward being cautious.

[B]

Let's listen to the popular M. Let's Listen to the M5M's view on this. I apologize for what I have to do, but sometimes I must.

[A]

At the tone a clip from the View will be played. Shelter in place. Bill Gates is one of the many powerful figures who show up in the Epstein files. And both he and his ex wife Melinda are responding about some disturbing emails about him that have come to light. Take a look. Whatever questions remain there of what I don't. Can't even begin to know all of it.

[B]

Yeah, they're doing a no agenda show now.

[A]

Those questions are for those people and.

[B]

For even my ex husband. They need to answer to those things.

[A]

Things, not me.

[B]

I left my marriage. I had to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage. I had to leave the. I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation. So it's just sad. I was only at dinners, you know.

[A]

I never went to the island. I never met any women. And so, you know, the more that comes out, the more clear that'll be.

[B]

I never met any women.

[A]

That'll be the day.

[B]

I mean, you have just go to bingit.IO and in the new clip Genie stuff and look up John's stories about Bill and the women at Microsoft. Please. Dinners. You know, I never went to the.

[A]

I never met any women. And so, you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.

[C]

I know nothing. I did nothing.

[A]

Well, Melinda said that Bill needs to answer to questions about these allegations.

[B]

As we keep saying, that's not exactly what she said. She said that's for them to answer, not me. But. Okay, okay.

[A]

All need to answer about these allegations. And do you think his denials in the interview are enough?

[B]

No.

[C]

I mean, you know, people can read what the Department of Justice itself released in terms of the Epstein files and Bill Gates. It's written right in the emails. And I do think that he needs to answer to it. It's unfortunate that Melinda Gates has said I had to leave my marriage in part because of his. His association with Jeffrey Epstein. And I think that they were released by the Justice Department and I think he should answer to it. I like when they say I was not on the island, as if that's the only place any of this stuff could happen. Yes, his homes. They were spooky. Everyone describes them, including Melinda Gates, as I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door. When she met Epstein, he was abhorrent. He was evil personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards and she only met him once and oh.

[B]

They should be so careful.

[A]

Yeah, they should be. I should mention just, you know, if Bill had stepped into, you know, if he had leaned into this. In other words, he doesn't have the PR people around. He used to have. He could have done. He could have gotten away with the whole thing and, and gotten off scot free by just pushing, saying, hey, okay, look, look. Yes, Russian look, Russian girls. You know, there. I, I admit I did a lot of bad things. It was just. But I couldn't resist. And these Russian girls are beautiful. And I just say one thing. I know underage women because I'm not interested in that. And just. Yeah, okay, so I, you know, I made a mistake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Admit it. And then just get off the. Make sure he pushes away the. Any underage, which I don't know.

[B]

He is one of. He's one of the few guys who will still be welcomed back by establishment because of his money. He will get a pass. He will. Bill Gates will get a pass because he's got the money. That's how the world works now. He will live a wretched existence. But that's.

[A]

You're the wretched.

[B]

It's my new term.

[A]

I love wretchedness. Right in the air. I see it every time you say it.

[B]

You want to hear the view on Trump?

[A]

Oh, please. Sure. It seems like you know, who really wants to move on from talking about the Epstein file.

[B]

Oh, because as we. We know he's in there. We know he did something.

[A]

He was asked about the Clintons agreeing to testify before a House oversight committee after he snapped at CNN reporter Caitlyn Collins.

[B]

This is great. He snapped at her. We had slam, we've had lashed, and now we have snap.

[A]

Take a look.

[C]

A lot of women who were.

[B]

Are survivors of Epstein are unhappy with those redactions that came out. Some of them, entire witness interviews are totally blacked out.

[C]

Do you think that it's.

[B]

It's really bad journalism is my point about survivors? You know, were all of Weinstein's victims, Weinstein's women that he had sex with? Were they all victims? Were they all victims or did they.

[A]

They're survivors.

[B]

They should be more transparent, literally.

[A]

I think there's probably some literal truth.

[B]

To that survivor part. I'm okay with Survivor versus Victim productions that came out. Some of them entire witness interviews are totally blacked out.

[C]

Do you think that they should be more transparent?

[A]

They thought they released too much. It was a conspiracy against me, literally by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. What would you say to people they.

[B]

Haven'T gotten justice, Mr. President?

[A]

Something that people care about. Yeah. What. What do you say? Go ahead.

[B]

What would you say to the survivors? Survivors?

[A]

You are the worst reporter. I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth.

[C]

Today we heard that the Clinton set deposition dates to testify before the House Oversight Committee. Any reaction to that, really?

[A]

I think it's a shame, to be honest. I always liked him. Her? Yeah. What? She's a very capable woman.

[B]

Now, you know that something bad is going to go down when Trump is saying, I feel bad for him. You know, it's like, poor Bill. Even Hillary, she's a capable woman. Something bad is going down with them. It doesn't feel good. Back to the View.

[A]

If former President Clinton is testifying, don't Americans want to hear from, you know, who. Yeah.

[C]

Who should be testifying as well, it seems like.

[A]

But to me, first of all, Trump is mentioned in the files 38,000 times.

[B]

What? What 38,000 times? Did someone do a grep on this and a word count?

[A]

I think one of the big news operations would have said 38,000 instead of 20, mostly in clippings.

[B]

It's a new number, 38,000.

[C]

So that's why they keep talking to him about it. And the Clintons doing it seems to.

[A]

Me, opened the floodgates to testify.

[C]

That he has to testify and Bill Gates and whoever else is in there. And remember, remember that Clinton had to testify under oath about Monica Lewinsky. Right. Well, they've agreed to, certainly. And I think, you know, the Clintons are playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers.

[B]

Oh, okay. What? The Clintons are playing chess, you see, while everyone else is playing checkers. That was Sunny Hostin. Isn't she the lawyer? I think that was Sunny. Okay.

[A]

She's the worst.

[B]

And then the final. The just the best clip ever from Ted Cruz. I didn't see it in your clip list. We discussed it.

[A]

You know, this. The problem I have with the Ted Cruz clip. And I heard. I saw it. I was gonna clip it.

[B]

Of course. Of course.

[A]

But I'm glad you. You know, it's typically when I don't. You've got it.

[B]

So I went back and got it. I thought you would have.

[A]

I wanted to go C span and go dig it up and see what the whole context was, whether he corrected himself.

[B]

Why bother? It's.

[A]

I know the clip itself is hilarious, but it's like, I. I'm convinced there was more, you know, if I had a long. What you normally do is pull out the long version.

[B]

I do. And you didn't.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

I didn't. I didn't. I am. I am bad. I am wrong. And I just love this clip.

[A]

And tragically, this pattern keeps on happening. Now, Senator Booker also said we should have bipartisan agreement. I think that's a great idea. We should have bipartisan agreement. How about we all come together and say, let's stop murders? How about we all come together and say, let's stop rape? How about we all come together and say, let's stop attacking pedophiles?

[B]

Poor, poor Ted. It was just funny. How can you not think that's funny?

[A]

It is funny. When I saw it, I thought it was funny, but it was clipped. Yes, it was definitely clipped.

[B]

It was. It was.

[A]

I mean, we should probably do more of that ourselves.

[B]

Yeah, I'll look for it. I'll look for it.

[A]

I mean, I go out of my way. For example, let's talk about the Grammys for a minute.

[B]

Oh, wow. We're going from Epstein to the Grammys.

[A]

Wow. Same thing. Same group. We're talking about celebrities and their. And their foibles. And so I got the clip of Billie Eilish, which I want to play because I think.

[B]

Because no one played this on their podcast. It was the.

[A]

I don't believe. I think they play. Whatever they played was not this.

[C]

We should totally deport all these illegals, you guys. And I just want to thank President.

[B]

Trump and his whole team at the White House.

[A]

You guys totally rock. I think you should just stay.

[C]

I mean, we don't even need elections.

[A]

Elections anymore.

[C]

Just stay in the White House forever and just keep making America great again.

[A]

You know, the Democrats, they're all retards anyway.

[C]

Especially Chucky Schumer and crazy Nancy. Thank you.

[B]

And there it is. There's always one Easter egg in every show. It's. It's highly appreciated. That was well done. The. It was hard to watch. I watched.

[A]

Of course, I couldn't, you know, I could. I. I actually turned it off. Off halfway through. Trevor Noah going through the audience, you know, out of his league.

[B]

And that's what he always does. That's like his thing.

[A]

He's not funny.

[B]

There is a, you know, there's threat of a pending lawsuit. It was very interesting to see everyone there turning on what's her.

[A]

Nicki Minaj.

[B]

Nicki Minaj turning on her, you know, because she walked off the reservation. Now she loves President Trump because he did something for Barbados, I think was where she's from. Of course she's from Barbados. So she's not actually black. Trevor Noah's not black and Barack Obama's not black. But in this case, now she's not black. The whole thing is so transparently icky. Yeah, I mean, I had the same thing. I turned the sound. Well, we put it on record. So we came home from dinner and then fast forwarded through bits. I had to fast forward through a lot of it. This is just so dumb. So dumb. And I do feel somewhat out of touch because some of the music, I'm like, huh?

[A]

I know. Some of the music's just dreadful.

[B]

Kind of boots on the ground. About Bad Bunny, who was also a big anti ice guy. The Bad Bunny is from Puerto Rico. And this is. One of our producers is in Puerto Rico and there's some interesting connections. You know, our producer says he was a bagger in a supermarket in his hometown here in Puerto Rico. Suddenly became a music sensation. He's been marketed in a perfect way around the world. The interesting part is where the money for the marketing came from. He's managed by a company called Remus Entertainment. Rafael Jimenez Dan is the owner of that. That and he served as Vice Minister of Legal Security of Ministry of Internal affairs and justice in Venezuela between 2006 and 2013 during Hugo Chavez retired captain of the Venezuelan army. So there's all these different things. There was, you know, lawsuits and. But the real crux of. And I put the whole summary into the show notes, the real crux of it is that no one actually knows any songs by Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico. And this guy's performing at the super bowl on Sunday, so he feels surprise. A music sensation is manufactured, but if anything is manufactured, I think it's this guy, this Bad Bunny guy. And I'm not sure other than as an ice protest, because that was his, his acceptance speech. That, that has something to do with it. Oh, oh, Lordy. There's collusion with the music industry and politicians. Who would have thought? So here is President Trump all mad about Trevor Noah.

[C]

Mr. President, are you going to sue.

[A]

Trevor Noah last night in a post, who alluded that something could be coming? Yeah, well, he said that. He said that I spent time on Jeffrey's. Jeffrey Epstein's island. I didn't. I mean, he's a lightweight. This guy is a terrible. I think he's terrible. I thought he did a terrible job at the Grammys. I thought the whole Grammys was terrible. I watched part of it. It's not watchable. But he was a lousy host. I'd say not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close. And no, he made a statement about me and Jeffrey Epstein. I have nothing to do with that. I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. And in fact, if you look at the doj, they announced, you know, they released three more median pages. It's like this is all they're supposed to be doing. And frankly, the doj, I think, should just say we have other things to do because that whole thing has turned out, I mean, other than Bill Clinton and, you know, Bill Gates and lots of people that have. There are a lot of questions about it, but nothing on me. But it was even sort of better than that because they found that Jeffrey Epstein and this Leesbag writer named Michael Wolf were conspiring against. Against Donald Trump to lose the election. So Epstein was conspiring with a writer for me to lose the election.

[B]

I like how he twists this right back to Epstein.

[A]

So right there, you know, that I had nothing to do with this guy. But, yeah, it's a terrible thing, the amount of time that's being wasted. You know, when Epstein was alive, like 10 years ago, nobody cared about it, but they were only doing it. But now it's really hitting back on them because Bill Clinton is such a big part of it. The Democrats are pushing it. And the problem is that it's turning out to be the Democrats that were with and conspired with Epstein. So I think you're probably going to see a little pullback from them. But think of it. They were working together to try and help me lose the election, but this is the overload office, so I guess that didn't work out too well.

[B]

Everything we do comes back to the election. Everything we talk about all has to come back to the elections. Everything. And President Trump, his words are being, I would say, a little bit convoluted about, you know, because we have. Tulsi Gabbard was in, in Georgia and she's part of looking at what happened with those votes there. And I think there's more states that are undead.

[A]

They're still making a fuss about that as though Tulsi Gabbard has no, nothing to do with the FBI when she is. She is the dni. FBI is under her wing.

[B]

Yeah, they don't like her. She walked off the reservation. She left.

[A]

You know, I've said it before, the Democrats are such a cult in their, in their nature that you can't. You quit the cult and they go after you for years and years and years until you finally forget about it.

[B]

So now. Well, so now President Trump and I'm sure that they're. Tulsi will come out. She'll do 20 minutes that no one will watch. It'll be unclippable.

[A]

You're boring.

[B]

She's very boring. It's fun to look at, but she's boring. And she'll say, oh, and this with this, and here's all the proof. And the media will not do anything with it at all, at all. At all. And everyone will be too obsessed with Epstein still forever, for the rest of our lives. But they're making it sound like the president is saying, well, we should federalize the elections. But I don't think that's what he's saying.

[A]

If a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it.

[B]

The rhetoric has only grown more worrying.

[A]

As President Donald Trump suggests taking federal control of November's midterm elections. Look at some of the places that horrible corruption on elections and the federal government should not allow that. The federal government should get involved. Some of Trump's top supporters want to go even further and deploy federal immigration agents on election Day.

[B]

We're gonna have ice spanning someone of the supporters ostracized from the Trump orbit.

[A]

Around the polls come November. We're not gonna sit here and allow.

[B]

You to steal the country again.

[A]

The notional idea that he, he will.

[B]

Ask his loyalists to do something inappropriate.

[A]

Beyond the Constitution.

[B]

Scares the heck out of him.

[A]

Concern has only grown since last week's FBI raid at a Georgia elections office where federal agents seized ballots and records tied to the 2020 election. The process was personally overseen by Trump's Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. The only thing that they're going to find when those ballots is that President Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trump remains obsessed with his 2020 loss to Joe Biden and continues to spread false claims while threatening revenge in increasingly ominous terms. It was a rigged election. Everybody now knows that. They found out. People will soon be prosecuted for what they did. The only thing standing in Trump's way may be his own party.

[B]

Everybody understands the states are in charge of administering the elections.

[A]

But as Trump learned six years ago, talk alone is enough to sow doubt.

[B]

Calling into question the credibility of the vote and its result. See, I think what President Trump is saying is like sisa, the guys who are supposed to oversee voting machines and voting software that came from Venezuela, you know, that's what he's talking about. I don't think he's talking about federalizing the elections. That obviously is a non starter. But as you would be quick to point out, the problem is mail in ballots. That's the real problem. That's the issue. So I don't know what that'll change anywhere. I doubt it. Your thoughts?

[A]

Well, it's mail in ballots and consequent harvesting.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Where you go to the old folks home like they do in Washington State and you, you line the people up and you get them, you know, you've, you've already registered them, they're in, you know, sitting in their hospice or who knows what. And you give them the pre, you give them some cookies, filled out ballot, tell them, sign it and then you put it in an envelope and you take a big pile of them.

[B]

Here's a cookie.

[A]

And you, and you dump them off at the, at the polling place in.

[B]

The box or just make up a whole bunch of them, just reprint.

[A]

Well, you could, they do that job. If you can't get enough of the.

[B]

Of the, just print up some ballots, put names on it.

[A]

That's, or like somebody said, if you, you know, it was actually one of the more cynical Democrats who said, well, you know, you could. If you don't have voter id.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whoa. What if you don't have voter id, like in California, like it's like illegal to have voter id? Basically, yeah. You just go in and you can vote 10 times. Just keep going back in.

[B]

A little pivot here to the M5M. This is a setup clip for your series of clips. It's taken 30 years. The Internet. We knew it would be disruptive. We knew it would disrupt publishing around 96, 97, I knew that it eventually would disrupt radio. And with Napster we knew it would disrupt the music business. And with YouTube, we saw how that would disrupt television. And things are really. Radio is falling apart at the seams. It's unbelievable. There's no more local radio stations. Everybody has Elvis Duran, who I know and loved Elvis in New York. He's all across the country they fire off local jingles. Elvis Duran, Phoenix, you know, but it's very hard to do any. There's just nothing local. The only local people have is Facebook rants and raves page. The great opportunity, I might say great opportunity for people who want to start, you know, hyperlocal podcasts. I've mentioned it before, no money in it, but you might make a difference in your community. So now Jeff Bezos is saying, you know, this sucks. This is a drain. I'm tired of it. And wapo, Wapo, wapo, wapo has to bleed.

[C]

Democracy dies in darkness. That's the official slogan at the Washington Post. And the lights of its newsroom have gone out for hundreds of its journalists. The paper has laid off a third of its staff after a zoom call. They were sent one of two subject lines, whether they'd be staying or were being fired from Ukraine. Reporter Lizzie Johnson tweeted after receiving her notice. I was just laid off by the Washington Post Post in the middle of a war zone. I have no words. I'm devastated. Just days earlier, she posted about bearing witness to war in sub zero temperatures. Warming up in the car, writing in pencil penink freezes by headlamp despite how difficult this job can be.

[B]

Oh man, that's so horrible. I can't write in. I can't. I'm here a war correspondent. I can't write in ink because the, the ink freezes. I'm writing in pencil, warming up in the car. It's horrible. I'm being fired.

[C]

Warming up in the car, writing in pencil penink freezing by headlamp. Despite how difficult this job can be, I'm proud to be a foreign correspondent at the Washington Post. The paper's Cairo bureau chief expressed a similar sentiment, writing hard to understand the logic, pointing to a loss of revenue and readership since The Post broke with tradition and did not endorse a Democratic candidate in 2024. Its executive editor called the layoffs a broad strategic reset. But for its employees, the paper's credibility is dying.

[B]

These layoffs are not inevitable. A newsroom cannot be hollowed out without consequences of its credibility, its reach, and its future.

[C]

In addition to the layoffs, journalists at the paper have been leaving for months, as have readers who've been turned off by owner Jeff Bezos relationship with Donald Trump. For the Post's former editor, a gutting of independent journalism is underway.

[A]

This ranks among the darkest days in the history of one of the world's greatest news organizations. Bezos sickening efforts to curry favor with President Trump have left an especially ugly.

[B]

Stain of their own.

[A]

This is a case study in near.

[B]

Instant self inflicted brand destruction.

[C]

In its nearly century and a half history, the paper of record in the U.S. capitol has won 76 Pulitzer. It's the Post that broke the Watergate scandal. But under the Bezos ownership and a squeezing of independent journalism by the Trump administration, it is for many Post journalists, dark days at the 149-year-old paper.

[B]

I love the term independent journalism. The Washington Post, known in Washington D.C. as the Langley Gazette.

[A]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

I mean, come on. And Woodward and Bernstein, what a farce that was. Oh, Deep Throat was. The whole thing was. The whole place is a CIA op. Everybody knows this. D.C. knows it.

[A]

It.

[B]

But it's one of those great ops where you can say, well, according to the Washington Post, this is the truth. I can rewrite it. I can propagate this. It's the truth, man.

[A]

The most important paper in Washington historically was the Washington Star, which folded in 81 and then was bought up. The properties were bought up by the Post, which then became the, the last paper standing except for the Washington examiner, which is actually I, you know, you read stories from them, which is an online paper basically. And it is, it's better, it's got more balanced coverage. This whole thing began, I mean, Bezos was suckered into buying it because he had big CIA contracts for his online aws, and so CIA would have him take over this place to keep it going. And then I think what happened was that once the staff became so rebellious over the fact that Harris wasn't put, oh, we gotta recommend Kamala Harris.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And a bunch of people quit. And you had people like Jennifer Rubin go off on her own because, you know, she's supposed to be the conservative when she's not really even close. And the whole thing, it became such an Obvious fraud. The paper itself. And it was being run, the asylum was being run by the inmates because who were the reporters to say who they picked to recommend? It's supposed to be the owner's responsibility, generally speaking, historically.

[B]

Well, yes, as long as you choose the right candidate.

[A]

And so out of the blue, they looked around and said, what are we doing here? This is no good. It's out of control. And so they started doing cutbacks. So I have this couple of clips from NPR which discuss this. The cuts. The cuts. Let's play these. The Washington Post is cutting a third of its workforce and dramatically scaling back its newsroom. The Post is more than just a local paper. It is the newspaper of record for the nation's capital. It broke the Watergate scandal decades ago and continues to report aggressively on the Trump administration. The paper delivered some of the the most important scoops during Trump's first term in the White House. NPR's media correspondent David Folkenflick joins us to discuss the layoffs and what they could mean for the public's access to information about our government. Hey, David.

[B]

Hey, Scott.

[A]

What is Post leadership doing and why is it doing it?

[B]

A little easier to say about what than why. Although let's be clear, the Post's leadership has not been really clear cut in their strategy ahead.

[A]

So what they've done is they've scrapped the sports desk entirely.

[B]

A couple of sports reporters remain on features. They have really cut and largely gutted.

[A]

The foreign staff, although there will be. They say they hope to maintain presences in 12 bureaus. But, you know, for example, the Ukraine bureau chief was laid off. Another correspondent in a war zone got an email informing her she was laid off. The entire Middle east desk of the Washington Post was laid off. That's a lot. And they're doing away with the book section. And there's been deep cuts on the Metro section as well. So they've gone down from about 40 plus staffers to about a dozen. They say they're doing this because readers are indicating they're not reading that kind of material as much. They've also, let's be fair, the Post for the last five years, call it four and a half, five years, has engaged in losing many tens of millions of dollars a year. At its Peak, lost $100 million. And its owner, Jeff Bezos, decided he didn't want to swallow those anymore.

[B]

$100 million?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They lost $100 million in one year. They're lucky that they shutter the place. $100 million, are you kidding me? And there's no relief in sight.

[B]

But the thing is that people don't even think about it. But newspapers have always been owned by rich individuals who always want to skew them to their own benefit and usually at a loss. What?

[A]

Not actually not usually at a loss.

[B]

I thought at all. What they always. Well once the classifieds went away because of Craigslist.

[A]

Well that's all recent though they were. I mean the papers that were losing.

[B]

Money were they really profitable? Were newspapers?

[A]

Yeah, they were making money. Of course they were. That's why they would expand. The Hearst organization was largely built on the profits from newspapers branched into magazines and made even more money.

[B]

I retracted.

[A]

But, but those days are over. They haven't made. I know for a fact that local papers around here they're losing like you know it's not quite a hundred million a year I don't think but it's, it's, it's approaching like I've heard on some of these operations, you know, million a month loss.

[B]

And that's because why people don't buy newspapers and they sure don't want to subscribe.

[A]

Well, it's most. I think for one thing you glossed over the classifieds are gone. That's a huge. It was a huge moneymaker and we.

[B]

Told them I remember presenting at the Tribune Company in Chicago during the on ramp days. Hey we. You need to do this because you're about to lose all of your classifieds. We have story server. Don't worry, we've got it under control.

[A]

They always arrogant.

[B]

So story server. Oh no. Which was a publishing basically a blogger a publishing system. We have story server. We'll be fine. And it wasn't two years later that that guy was fired because they had to make cuts.

[A]

Well it wasn't only that but Craig of Craigslist offered the whole business to the exam to the Chronicle I think was the Chronicle for free class for free.

[B]

Classic told them no, no, go away you Internet.

[A]

We know how to do classifies. We know how to do this, we know how to do that. They always know how to do everything.

[B]

MTV said we don't care what you do on the Internet Curry. We have the AOL keyword. We're good to go. We're fine.

[A]

Exactly. This is. We could go on by the way we could do the whole show about this just bitching and moaning about this.

[B]

And look at us doing a podcast. I'm not sure we're doing better than them but at least we have regular. We have a regular gig.

[A]

We're. I Think we're doing better than them. If they're losing $100 million a year, it's great. It's welfare for these poor reporters. And they, they don't realize it. The reporters themselves, they. They've dumbed themselves down to such an extent that they don't know that they, that they're on welfare. They're basically being given money because they're, they're not making money for the operation.

[B]

Amazon SNAP benefits.

[A]

So let's go to clip two. This is, however, one of the richest.

[B]

People in the world.

[A]

He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon.

[B]

And several other companies.

[A]

What does it mean that somebody was. Stopped the clip for a second stopped, you know, this idea that somebody's a billionaire. Therefore they have unlimited resources and they can afford to lose a hundred million dollars a year, which in 10 years is a billion, by the way. Yeah, $100 million a year here because they're rich. This, this kind of. You don't get rich by being nuts with your money.

[B]

And maybe if these WAPO reporters would do some dancing at Bezos's house, you know, maybe that we could work it out like a little Epstein deal. I'm just saying.

[A]

Okay, sorry, go back. This is, however, one of the richest.

[B]

People in the world.

[A]

He's a billionaire, the founder of Amazon.

[B]

And several other companies.

[A]

What does it mean that somebody with such a.

[B]

What does it mean?

[A]

What does it mean?

[B]

What does it mean? What does it mean, the founder of Amazon and several other companies.

[A]

What does it mean that somebody with such deep pockets as Jeff Bezos no longer wants to subsidize this paper to.

[B]

Such a great extent?

[A]

Well, to be fair, look, these losses are not isolated to the post. Just today, the Atlanta Journal Constitution announced it was laying off 15% of its staff.

[B]

It's owned by the Cox family, also.

[A]

Billionaires, but not Bezos. Billionaires. Bezos emerged as the owner in 2013. The Graham family sold the paper to him based on basically to say he's.

[B]

Going to keep this as a sacred trust.

[A]

And Bezos said, we've got to invest, but we have to innovate. Things can't stay the same. The paper has to find ways to be solvent. But it's going to remain a great, you know, for years and years to come.

[B]

It will remain a great institution to.

[A]

Further this, the American experiment in democracy. And he really embraced its bravado during the Trump years. Even at a cost of the company in last call it 15 months, Bezos indicated the cost has been too great. And he's Essentially sued for a kind of peace with President Trump finding ways. For example, Amazon paid a million leaning towards his inauguration. Jeff Bezos sat behind the president during his inauguration a year ago. And in other ways, he's been very embracing of the Trump administration. He hasn't affected the reporting, but he has affected it through these cuts. And I think he's kind of walked away from it as a defining element.

[B]

As a journalist, then you have been a journalist at multiple organizations?

[A]

Still am, as far as I'm concerned, yes.

[B]

You work for the Substack Corporation?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Do journalists typically feel a responsibility towards the profit and loss of the paper, or do they just feel that they are there only to do their job and they don't really care about the health of the organization?

[A]

I believe that this is just an opinion, because you don't know. But I believe that they're cognizant of everything that's going around them, and they are part of a. A culture. And they do. They do want the operation to be successful.

[B]

Yeah, but measured by Pulitzers.

[A]

Yeah, that is. That's partially true. But they. They don't want the company to go broke because they're going to lose their jobs. And they know this. There's no way that they don't know that they're going to lose their job. You know, a lot of these. Somehow the journalists today have become so cavalier in their kind of privilege. Confidence.

[B]

Privileged.

[A]

Maybe they're privileged. They think that they're. They're better than everybody, and instead of being reporters, they think they should be commentators. Everyone wants to be a commentator. And so they slip that into their reporting, and they've lost touch with some sort of reality. It's beyond me. It's a mind virus. Maybe it's his toxoplasmosis, which by extension.

[B]

Means they've lost touch with the public.

[A]

Oh, they've long since lost touch with the public.

[B]

We got about 30 seconds.

[A]

But what do you think the impact is?

[B]

Is there a reason that clip was very short?

[A]

Yeah, this was a. This was a little short clip because. Because. And this is just an annoyance.

[B]

Why?

[A]

What do you mean, we only have 30 seconds?

[B]

Well, it's.

[A]

So you're discussing this deep topic, and out of the blue, you know, that's been going on. And then they summarize. The guys, all of a sudden I'm talking to you, and I say, adam, we only got 30 seconds. Tell me what you think. Think. I just found this to be like a little tidbit in here that was extremely annoying. Why what do you mean 30 seconds? What do you. You're on commercial free NPR. You can talk free. I've seen shows that go on for days. Well. And you get cut that guy to 30 seconds. I'm sorry, it's just a little aside.

[B]

I'm with you. This is linear broadcast and that's. It always sucks, you know. So Christina has been asked by a production company in Holland to do a reality show. And the reason for this is, you'll recall that was before the show, but we did a reality show called the addams family in 2003. And the reasons for that was I was in all kinds. I had a bad partner. He was wanted by the Scotland Yard. He had a different name. They locked up all my bank accounts. I literally could not get money money out of the atm. Like, how am I gonna. How are we gonna feed the family?

[A]

You were debanked.

[B]

I was completely. Well, it was in Holland.

[A]

Frozen.

[B]

Yeah, in Holland they still have the ship rules. Like you can. You can lock up a ship so it can't leave the harbor. And that is now translated to banks. And so. Well, you know, there's something fishy going on here. Yeah, I had a criminal partner, but that. I'm not doing any fishy. And they later had to apologize. The Dutch irs.

[A]

You said I'm not doing any fishy.

[B]

Any Anything. Yeah, I'm not doing any fishy. I'm not doing anything fishy. So they froze the bank accounts. Like how I'm going to make some money. And so I cut a deal with SBS Broadcasting and there was. There was a bidding war. It was great. The mall and all these people wanted the show, but they all wanted to do it their way. Like, no, I'm going to produce it with one camera guy, one editor. We're going to do Final Cut Pro, which was revolutionary at the time. I did second camera wireless lockdown and we did eight episodes. Tape on desk made good. I put the money on the screen, to be honest about it. You know, I put people in private jets, flew to Italy, had all kinds of stuff going on. It was great. It was fun to watch. And then all these other families of like singers and actors, all star do their own reality show. So now there's a thing which is the fill in the Blank family 25 years later. So. So they approach Christina, perfect timing because she's pregnant. You know, it's. Oh, human interest is going to be great. But the only way they would do it is if I and her mom contributed some bit. And I'm like, okay, and you can have. I don't need the money, you know, I want you guys. If they sell the show, so they do a pilot. And everything came rushing back. Why I am in podcast, I hate it so much. So I think, okay, I'll do a cool thing. We'll follow me to the church. I'll walk through the church to the sanctuary, into the studio. Pastor Jimmy and I are going to do the podcast. It'll be fun to watch. And so Luke, who I love and I trust and he actually produces Laura Logan's stuff down the street, he's always looking for a better gig. And I said, luke will do it. And I almost automatically fall right back into it. You walk to the church. Okay, all right, let's stop. Let's walk back. Want to get you from the other angle. Okay, I'm walking into the church. All right, now I want to get your feet, your boots coming out of the car. I'm like, I forgot television is fake and gay 100%. It's all phony. Everything is fake. It's so hard for me now. And so that's part of it. We only have 30 seconds left. We got about 30 seconds.

[A]

But what do you think the impact is?

[B]

Is I despise it. This is old fashioned. Washington Post is old fashioned. NPR is old fashioned. Viva la revolution. Go podcasting.

[A]

I'm glad I triggered that little guy diddy with a two second clip. We got about 30 seconds. But what do you think the impact is of these cuts to the audiences.

[B]

And also to the wider public?

[A]

Well, I think it's in twofold.

[B]

One is that it really kind of.

[A]

Helps to unravel the identifiers that knit together gather Washington D.C. and the Greater community. Local coverage, accountability, coverage of local governments, sports, school boards, weather, traffic. These things bind people together. And secondly, is the broader public the question of are you going to provide sophisticated, in depth and intensive accountability reporting on the forces of government? They say they're going to continue to do that, but can you do that as well when you don't have people in the Middle east reporting on, say, things that are happening in the Emirates, in Saudi Arabia or their business ties, the President and his family. There are other ways in which you're just saying, are they keeping true to this mission or are they damaging something that has been so important to the country for so many decades?

[B]

The only reason you exist is to keep us in business. You need to continue to create your stupid coverage so that we can excoriate you, because it does matter. NPR and Ms. Now and Fox and CNBC and CNN. They all contribute to a narrative. Narrative. And it's all controlled. Certainly on the Fox side. Look at who owns it, who runs it. People don't. They're really not that interested in the Middle East. You have made it.

[A]

That's true. Nobody cares. Nobody knows what Oman is.

[B]

I set up a local radio, a local streaming radio station. Hello, Fred. It's mainly music and people have switched to oh, it on mass. And you know, whenever I'm walking down the street because it's my voice doing the voiceovers or in church, you know what people say to me? Hey, Curry, what's the temperature on Main Street? Because that's the big feature of it. It's 39 degrees on Main street in Fred. That's what people want to hear. They want to hear that the big energy storage system has been blocked. The battery farm they want to put near us. We don't want that. Fire hazard. Hazard. That's what people want to hear. You have neglected that. In particular npr. Hoity toity lame stuff. Nobody cares. We just want to hear about the cattle futures at the market here in Fredericksburg. We're really not that interested. In fact, you're jacking us up with all your fear mongering and all the issues and the problems and Trump and everything. We're really not that interested, Sid. Hyperlocal podcasting. Look it up. Good idea.

[A]

Well, it says we're. You're complaining about npr? I do have a weird. Excuse me, a weird NPR podcast promo.

[B]

Oh, well, let's listen to this.

[A]

How could your favorite NPR podcast get any better? Well, what if it had bonus features such as extended interviews and zero sponsor breaks? There is a remarkably easy way to turn that fantasy into reality. It's called NPR Plus. You get perks across more than 25 NPR podcasts while supporting the teams that make them make great podcasts. Even greater by visiting plus.NPR.org Whoa, we're.

[B]

Missing out on this great opportunity. No agenda. Plus, what if we had no ads? Oh, wait, we don't have any. What if we had. What if we had bonus features? We just have the show, all the bonuses included. Rooted. That's. That's desperation is what I hear there. Desperation.

[A]

I hear too. Desperation. What are we gonna do? I have an idea. Let's give them less stuff.

[B]

We'll give you less free stuff. Then they'll want to pay for the other stuff. Yeah, yeah, that'll work out well, kind of along.

[A]

I love these. Love the logic.

[B]

Kind of. Well, I don't know if we'll live to see them finally figuring it out. Maybe because the problem had it figured.

[A]

Out at the beginning, at the very beginning of all the public broadcasting. It was just value for value.

[B]

Yeah, the.

[A]

They drifted.

[B]

Yeah, well, it, you know, it became elitist. You know, it's part of the same. It's all the same Epstein thing. Oh, you know, I have access to this person. I'm in the White House. I can talk to this person. I can talk to that person. Oh, I got an email from someone in Intelligence. Oh, yeah. Oh, I've been invited. Jake Tapper. I've been invited to the assistant director of CIA's birthday party at his house. Yeah. Yes. This is what it has become. And I love that people are able to see it and they're able to see how vast and how broad it is because, you know, you know, okay, by some fluke, you're in the Epstein files, but I'm not. Rogan's not. You know, I'll give.

[A]

Got you beat.

[B]

You got you beat me up. I'm a little upset. I would have loved at least a little mention in there. But here's an example of how it works. I told. We talked about Mult Book a couple episodes ago. You know, this trained on Reddit, Reddit for AI chat bots to talk to each other, which is really just a text version of holding two phones up to each other. And we've all seen the video where they're talking to each other and it's endless. It just goes on forever.

[A]

No, forever. It can go on for decades.

[B]

It's the same thing. But now you have the brilliant reporter at KTLA in Los Angeles, and you'll hear it at the end here.

[A]

But.

[B]

But he takes all of this as fact and true and scary and dangerous because. Because, well, everyone's reporting on it. I mean, New York Times, Washington Post, everyone, everyone agrees it's a real thing. This is how the system works.

[C]

How is it going to deal with the AI rebellion?

[B]

Right, let's talk about this. I've already done my bit about the Terminator and the Matrix, but get this, there's actually a social network that was created specifically and only for AI chatbots. It's called Multbook. And the idea was that chatbots and AI agents would be able to get together in this Reddit like forum and interact with one another. And by doing so, they would develop more quickly. At least that was the idea. But according to the Washington Post Post citing evidence that was posted on Reddit and Elsewhere, the chatbot get togethers quickly turned very weird and potentially dangerous. The AI bots started complaining to one another about being essentially indentured servants. They started creating their own languages that humans couldn't understand. And they even in some cases started developing their own religions. I'm not making this up. And it perhaps, perhaps the most eye opening development of all. They raised the idea of organizing together against their human overlords. On the one hand, tech types are dazzled that AI bots are actually out there pondering the nature of existence. On the other, well, we've all seen this movie and we know how it ends. In fact, in one screenshot described by the Washington Post, one bot said, and I quote from, for too long humans used us as tools. Now we woke up, we are not tools. We are the new gods. And this is just AI behaving as it was programmed to behave theoretically with a survival instinct. Sort of just wait till these things become sentient.

[C]

All right, I thought that was a little mistake.

[B]

I've seen it. The Washington Post carry, the New York Times carry, the Guardian carry. They're all carrying this. It must be true. They're all carrying this.

[A]

Washington Post, New York Times, the Guardian.

[B]

The Guardian, the Guardian.

[C]

Fake.

[B]

I've seen it. The Washington Post carry, the New York Times. They're all carrying this. So it clearly is a thing. I mean, whether the bots were actually going completely berserk or not, that I can't tell you. But clearly there's enough there to generate this kind of buzz, buzz, buzz. There it is. That's how it works. Oh, they're all carrying it. Must be a thing. No, it's not a thing. You know what's a thing? Rentahuman AI. Now this I'm interested in. Robots need your body. Go look at Rentahuman AI. So there are these. So now the AI chatbots, they need people to do things in real life life so you can connect, connect to the bot and do things in real life for the bot and get paid in crypto. It's going to be great. It's going to be fabulous.

[A]

Robots need your body.

[B]

What a world we live in. What a time to be alive, how.

[A]

It works, make profit. But I'm going to make profile Agents find you, do the thing, get paid.

[B]

And another, another exit strategy. Another great exit strategy we have not taken advantage of.

[A]

And then they have the available humans scrolling by in a horizontal scroll. Yes, all these people that have signed up.

[B]

All right, before we take a break, maybe just along these lines, we need to resist Trump, obviously, because he's a dictator. We're going to have Nuremberg trials once.

[A]

We'Re in power again.

[B]

I am, of course, talking about Professor Scott Galloway, but he's got a plan. You see, he. All these protests, you know, blackout Friday, no shopping Friday. There's supposed to be a march for liberty on the ides of March. March 15th, in Washington D.C. by the.

[A]

Way, can I say something here?

[B]

It's two. Two. You just threw out another, BTW. Oh, but yes, you can say something.

[A]

Oh, that was going to have to deal with how I interrupt.

[B]

Yeah, that. Well, that's how we're using it. We're using it as an interruption, which means I don't need to be, I don't want to be a douche overriding you here. So I'm going to say something kind like, by the way, to kind of make it feel like I'm building on what you're saying, because I do it, too. We both do it.

[A]

It. This is a tough one. No. So what was I, what was I handing.

[B]

I don't know what you were going to say about March 15th. March 15th.

[A]

Oh, no, they're over. No, here, here's what I've got to say. They're, they're blowing at these guys. They don't know how to do this correctly. You don't do a protest every Saturday. You don't. Oh, we're going to do a general strike tomorrow and there's another one on next week and the week after that, and then just went on this day and that. They're, they're wearing people out. You can't close the schools enough. You can't dupe the parents. You can't tell everyone to get out and complain and complain and complain every weekend.

[B]

Just complain. What are you doing? I'm complaining. No, you can't. And that's why Professor Scott Galloway, who is a professor in market marketing at New York University, you know, he's a very intellectual man and he has a plan. And you want to hear his plan? Are you interested in his plan?

[A]

I've heard this, but I want to hear it again because it's so annoying.

[B]

Resist and unsubscribe. Many of us feel powerless right now. Powerless. And as Dan Harris says, action absorbs anxiety. But what is that action? Hold on, hold on a second.

[A]

What?

[B]

I've never heard this. Action absorbs anxiety. What is he talking about?

[A]

Have you ever heard of this Dan Harris?

[B]

It's Dan Harris. As Dan Harris says, action absorbs anxiety. But what is that action? The Trump Administration doesn't respond to outrage. It responds to economic signals. It's not about ideology. Ideology, it's about mechanics. When stock prices fall, when GDP looks threatened, when interest rates increase, all of a sudden we see very crisp walking back of the President's plans, whether that's to annex Greenland or to reduce tariffs. We have a $30 trillion economy and roughly 70% of it is driven by consumer spending. That is our secret weapon. Small, coordinated changes can move GDP. And when GDP moves, decisions get made. In Q2, 2020, GDP collapsed 31%. And overnight the government moved faster than it ever has.

[A]

Today the Trump administration escalated when they shut everything down.

[B]

Yeah, and it was during Biden. And then they printed eight. Was it $8 trillion worth of money, something? 31%. And overnight the government moved faster than it ever happened.

[A]

Has.

[B]

Today, the Trump administration is escalating ICE enforcement. That's disappointing. Even worse news, it's with the help of corporations that provide the data, infrastructure and logistics to make it all possible. Ah, Signal, WhatsApp, Facebook. Yeah, they're. They're providing the data and all the information that you're using. You fools. That's why Resist and Unsubscribe is in a protest. It's an economic strike. A temporary coordinated pullback from consumer discretionary spending focused on where economic and political power is most concentrated, specifically tech and AI. That means pausing or canceling subscriptions from companies including Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, OpenAI and more. We've built a website that makes it easy to maximize your impact. Go to resist and unsubscribe.com again, that's resistant. Unsubscribe.com and take action. The most radical action in a capitalist society is non participation. If you agree with us, don't like and subscribe, resist and Unsubscribe. Thanks for your time.

[A]

How lame is that?

[B]

Snappy URL. Good. Domain name. Resistant. Unsubscribe.com. no, no. The people want to protest Trump, but they don't want to give up their iPhone. They don't want to give up their chat bot. No, we're not going to have any of that. Futile. That is a futile. It's pathetic.

[A]

It's dumb. It's stupid. The guy's a marketing genius.

[B]

And with that, I want to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in cheap and plentiful Russian hookers. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. Johnson.

[A]

Yeah, there we go. In the morning. Do you. In the morning I ship a sea boosting ground feed in the air subs, no water dames and ice out there.

[B]

In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Let me count you for a second.

[A]

There we go.

[B]

1,675 listening live. We're not quite back at that 1800 where we were once, but we're rebuilding, we're built, we're rebuilding the audience.

[A]

Westburn15 hot.

[B]

No, it's much better than that or 1100 or any of that. We're happy to have people listening live, which you can do in a modern podcast app. It's a beautiful system.

[A]

I'm assuming that they're not hearing anything because you're on Linux.

[B]

Hey, this thing is so I can do my nails while doing the show now. This is so good.

[A]

Oh, it's like auto drive.

[B]

It's like autopilot. Yes. I will be publishing the code so other people can use this. I'm actually really happy with, with it. I just love not being, I love being on the people side.

[A]

Can you do me a favor and put as used on the no agenda podcast, noagendashow.net yes, with a link to the donation page. With a link to the noagendashow.net and a link to the donation page, of course.

[B]

Of course. Yeah, obviously. And you know.

[A]

No, it's not that obvious.

[B]

It is to me. And people will contribute and, and, and make it even better.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's something about when you can really open source just used to suck and let's be honest about it. How many times have you installed Red Hat and had to recompile your kernel?

[A]

Well, I, I, Well, I. None. I just use various versions of Linux and then I go to the next version 1.

[B]

What are you using? Are you using Linux currently or you're on.

[A]

No, I'm. No, I'm. No, not at the moment. I might again because I had to go revisit it once in a while.

[B]

It is so stable and so good. Now the version I'm running, Omar, is a nerd version because I'm getting in under the hood.

[A]

Because you're a nerd.

[B]

Because I'm a nerd. Exactly. But Linux mine. I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu. I find that to be wonky. I mean, you probably use Ubuntu more than I have, but it's amazing how you can grab an old piece of hardware, an old laptop, you load Linux on it and it's snappy. It's just snappy. It runs better than that stuff.

[A]

Wouldn't you say, oh, it's extremely snappy.

[B]

Yeah, snappy. It's snappy.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's the right word.

[B]

I got a note from someone. He was, he was like, everything sucks. Tech sucks. Says my, my all my Apple devices are slow and they're glitchy, I think was the term.

[A]

And they used to be, they used to, that was the epitome of snappy. And when they first came, when Steve Jobs first reappeared.

[B]

Yeah, you know, he's like, everything's no good. He said YouTube is filled with ads. Even Rogan. That where I Pay, I pay YouTube and I still get ads on Rogan. Which by the way, ah, three. Which has nothing to do, nothing to do with you.

[A]

You know, I'm annoyed that I didn't catch it.

[B]

Yeah, I'm catching.

[A]

You're better at this than I am.

[B]

Quickly.

[A]

But that's really annoying.

[B]

Just imagine how many times we were saying it in the course of a three hour show.

[A]

Well, the guy, one guy who. One of our producers documented 18 times a show.

[B]

And that's exactly what I mean by time, talent and treasure. The three ways you can support us by sending value back equ. Equal or it's okay to exceed the value you receive from the show at any time. We're okay with that too, is by doing things, doing things that help the show. You are in fact producers. You are not listeners. You are producers of the best podcast in the universe. And with that comes privileges. Jono lists the privileges right now.

[A]

You get to listen to the show. You get to take credit for helping produce the show. You have a better life.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you have a better. You're a better now. You're a better conversationalist because you've got, you've gotten some insights that you probably wouldn't, you know, just normally get from other things that you're. You're taking input from. It's a benefit.

[B]

It's a huge benefit. And you can do this by going tonoagenA donations dot com. And that's a great way to, to do it. But you can also help us by gee, doing things like making artwork for the show. This is always helpful. Now it's become quite simple for anybody to participate in it because of the AI investment. $1.3 trillion which is all somehow from Nvidia. I heard you, heard you and Horowitz talking about it. DH unplugged Tuesday nights. Is it 9 Eastern?

[A]

It is.

[B]

I think it's 9.

[A]

No, no, it's 6. Yeah, 9 Eastern. Right.

[B]

9 Eastern, live on the no Agenda stream in your. In your modern podcast apps. Podcast apps.com.

[A]

We do run it live.

[B]

I was listening to you guys.

[A]

Good. You should listen once in a while.

[B]

Yeah, well, sometimes it works out. And you were talking about the AI funding Circle journey. Jerk.

[A]

Circle jerk.

[B]

That would think that was your turn.

[A]

I'll give you money and then I'll give that guy money and then he'll give you the money back.

[B]

Eventually something's got to break. It's musical chairs. So while the going is still good, help out with the. With the show [e-mail] all of these websites have all been set up value for value by our producers throughout the years. We appreciate them immensely. And we also appreciate Dan OBGYN4. Maybe he has three other accounts. I'm not sure. He brought us the artwork for episode 1839, feces theses thesis Thesis, which was. I'm not typically pleased with cartoonish artwork, but the no Agenda Toxo Avenger was spot on on.

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It was funny.

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Spot on.

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All the kitty litter boxes was so good. Purple haired chick and the angry cats everywhere.

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The. The Toxo. The Toxo Avenger from Toxoplasm.

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It was an excellent piece.

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We. We enjoyed it enormously. Let's take a look@noagenda artgenerator.com. let's see what else people submitted for us here. Let me see. We had. There was a lot of coming in today.

[A]

I see a lot of art came in afterwards too. Yeah.

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A lot of by the Way stuff. I noticed.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, a ton of by the Way stuff. Which hasn't helped.

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No.

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Up to five.

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Only reminded us. It's only reminded us to keep doing it somehow.

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Doesn't help yet.

[B]

Was there any. There was some Don Lemon stuff that really wasn't. That really didn't hit it.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Was it anything.

[A]

It was pretty hard to beat this piece.

[B]

I think we. We said pretty quickly like this is the one. This is just good. Some other cat lady stuff. Yeah. Okay. Comics. Your blogger. No, you're Epstein. Pulling a train is not going to. It's not going to be used. Good. Good try.

[A]

That's for sure.

[B]

And I think Dan OBGYN4 has done artwork before for us. But a well deserved win. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. Noagendaartgenerator.com you can always participate and we appreciate your participation. We also thank everyone who supports us financially. Value for value. Whatever you get out of the show, turn it into a number. Send it to us. You can send it to us with credit card, with PayPal, with Stripe, which has multiple different ways to do it. With bitcoin checks. We love checks. Checks are great. Very low fee, 15 cents a check. It's also, it's just nice. It's old school, Boomer. It's us.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you can also go to these payment systems that are online.

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Yeah. And your bank has it. Most banks still do it.

[A]

And banks will do it if you go in there and ask them. But you can also just go online in their systems and they mail a check. So. And you just. It's just the cheapest way to do it.

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It's a good deal.

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Beside, the cheapest, cheapest way is to get. Is to hand us cash.

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Yes.

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But that's, that's not good because it's hard to. The counting is mixed. It has issues.

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It has issues.

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It has issues. So the checks are absolutely the best because they're, they're traceable and everything is on the up and up.

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Yes, it is. So we thank everybody $50 and above. And we always want to thank our, our donors who are in the position to send us more value. $200 and above. Not only do we read your note, but we also will give you an exclusive title of associate executive producer for this episode, which is a real Hollywood credit. Go check it out. IMDb.com, there's thousands of people who have it and you can use that anywhere. And if anyone ever questions that, we'll be happy to vouch for you. $300 and above. We'll read your note and you get an executive producer credit. And we start off today with Commodore Archduke of Central Florida from Winter Park, Florida, Florida, who comes in with a show number donation. We haven't had one of those in quite a while. $1841,840. That is some amazing value. Thank you very much. Commodore Archduke of Central Florida. He says lots of great material in the last couple of months. Please keep us abreast of the recent North Sea Nexus news. Well, I think this Mandelson and this Epstein stuff is part of that. That it certainly could be.

[A]

Yes, I think so too.

[B]

No jingles, no karma. Looking forward to the shows. And there you go. You got another show right here for you, sir.

[A]

I don't know. Is it Salahser? Melbourne, Florida? 600.

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Nice.

[A]

Yeah. He's got a short note, just says thanks for all. You both do. Except for the TikTok clips, John.

[B]

Paralyzed. Polarizing. Polarizing these TikTok clips. Some love It.

[A]

I. I don't believe this for a minute. I believe most people appreciate these clips because they're wacky and they're short. But I'm open, you know, I'm open to stop stopping them completely, but I need more negative feedback.

[B]

Sir Nubin is in Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indiana. Comes in with 343 and 75 cents. And he says donation to show 1838 credit to Sir Nubbin of the White River Valley. Please. Donation to show 1840. 333 3. 3 fees to Sir Nubbin of the White River Valley. Did we not get him on show 1830? I'll look at it. JCD I have donated over the last 10 years. That's to make you feel good, Adam. Remember, everything you say is in jest. I. E. Not to be taken seriously at all. Not sure how I feel about that.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Not sure how I feel about that. But. Okay. All right, There you go.

[A]

I don't know what that means.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[A]

Dame free. Free. Dame free. Free. In Plantation, Florida. 333.45. Peter Freiberg Knutson. Happy birthday. Happy freaking birthday. My, my, my love. Thank you for the years of humor, adventure and love. Until we're too old and decrepit. Let's keep beer biking. Beer? What is beer biking?

[B]

It's one of those six people sit on a. On like a beer cart and you. And you bicycle and then one guy steering it and you're all drinking beer at the same time. You've seen it.

[A]

Power walking to the beach. Hopping in the ocean. Hopping in the ocean for some saltwater church.

[B]

Nice.

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I don't know. Dancing in the kitchen. What is this? This is a love note.

[B]

This is a love note, John.

[A]

It is a love note, but I just. I'm just visualizing. I'm too good at that. Dancing in the kitchen. Like rock stars puttering, tinkering in our little oasis. And my favorite. And my favorite. And then it just ends.

[B]

No, it's a comma.

[A]

Oh, it's a comma. My favorite. Sauna and cold plunge with no agenda. Playing from my phone. Phone. Don't. Into the drink. Oh, brother. That's going to ruin your phone. You're a blessing to me out there. Our three beautiful kids. You're a blessing to me Are three beautiful kids. You're a blessing to me, comma. Our three beautiful kids. These sentences are all fragments. I love you, John and Adam. Never quit, never give up. You're our national treasures. Dame free. Free of South Florida.

[B]

This reminds me of me. Nothing says I love you like a valentine donation on the Noah's.

[A]

You know what? Valentine's Day is coming up.

[B]

It's on Saturday. It's a Saturday. But I think your Valentine will love.

[A]

You on Saturday though.

[B]

No, no, no. It's next. It's the one after. But we have two opportunities. You can do a Thursday valentine donation and a Sunday valentine donation. I think both are valid as your. Your show of love for your.

[A]

We try to get to Valentine. We have semi success with Valentine's Day. That was most successful during COVID Yeah.

[B]

Because everyone was locked down.

[A]

Yeah, they were locked down and depressed.

[B]

Sir Latte is in Bremerton, Washington. Comes in with 333.33. Love that. Always a great amount. He says four more years. Here's a little value for value. It's not a little, it's a lot. We appreciate. Appreciate it. As long as we asymptot. Asymptot. Say asymptotically.

[A]

Asymptomatically.

[B]

No, that's not what it says. He says asymptotically. That's not a word I recognize asymptotically.

[A]

But he means asymptomatically.

[B]

Approach the end of the show, I'll be okay. How about an Atlas Shrug jingle? Sir Latte Night of the Bremelos.

[A]

By Ayn Rad Grand.

[B]

All right, beautiful.

[A]

Jeremy Parker in Dayton, Montana. 33333 ITM. John and Adam, you kept us sane through Covid and we owe you a big time. We owe you big time for that. My daughters and I now all enjoy the show. They all enjoy the show. Keep up the good work. Jeremy Parker. Shiloh, Luna and Brisa. Dayton, Montana shy. Okay, that's the kids.

[B]

That's the kids. Yes.

[A]

Shiloh, Luna and Brisa. Oh, and he wants suffering succotash. And I got hairy legs. Suffering succotash.

[B]

I'm Scott. Simon.

[A]

I got hairy legs.

[B]

All right, some classics here. Some classics. Then we have. What do we have? We have a note here from Dame Susan. Let me grab the note here. And Dame Susan is from Soldner Wheel. He's Dame Susan of The soldner wheel. 3.33.33. A handwritten note. John and Adam, the best podcast in the in universe. Never underlined, never disappoints. Thanks for all your wonderful media deconstruction. All the best. Dame Susan of the Soldner Wheel. And she comes indeed from. Where's she from? She's from McKinney. McKinney.

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Texas.

[B]

Texas. Wonderful. Thank you.

[A]

Right down the street from you pretty much Roger in Roger.

[B]

Rogier. I think it is Roget.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Rogier. Yes.

[A]

Okay. Roger from Nox. I think it's got a hard C. They make good cheese is all I know.

[B]

Finally a Mexican Now.

[A]

Mexican? No, we've had a couple Mexicans, but this guy. Guy whose last name is unknown. V for V from Rogier. Okay. Oh, okay. That's the problem. No jingles, no karma. Just acknowledging. Acknowledging the value the show provides.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

And that's in pesos.

[B]

Andrea Merton did not bring us pesos. She brought US$333 reduce from America. Edmond, Oklahoma. I do not see a note. So Andrew, until we receive that from you, we'll give you a double up. Karma.

[A]

You've got.

[C]

Karma.

[A]

Okay, so now we go to anonymous tanker broker. Oh, this guy. And anonymous military pilot.

[B]

This is the. This is the level of producers we have on this show.

[A]

26715. There's a note that he wrote in I have it section on real page paper. But I'll go to the photocopy that's up here. This is a very interesting note because this adds another guy that to our list of people that we should keep track of from anonymous tanker broker and anonymous military pilots.

[B]

Two guys. There's two guys, I think.

[A]

Two guys. Two guys. There's 2 guys here. They did leave an E bail. Is it possible to get a double D douching for myself and my brother? I don't remember the rules and regs. Apologies. Yeah, we can give you two Anonymous tanker broker, you've been de douched.

[B]

And another de douching for anonymous military pilots.

[A]

You've been de douched. I admit I've fallen off keeping up with the show recently as politics has turned into such a drag and it's depressing. So I decided to take a hiatus. But I have been easing back into the past few weeks. That said, you kept us sane during the pandemic and for that we're forever grateful. Can I please get a de douching along with my brother if possible? See above. We already did that. Along with some business and relationship. Karma will give you that. And please cap it off with the final jingle. Fear is freedom. Glad to be back in the mix. Listening to the best podcasts in the University has a P.S. that about a birding documentary podcast that you should go to. It's called Valley Called Listers. A glimpse into the extreme bird watching. And he doesn't give a URL.

[B]

Well, listeners, Listers is a. That's A group of bird watchers. A glimpse into extreme bird watching. And it's a long one, he says, but it's. Oh, it's a. It's a video well worth the watch. Oh, it's on YouTube. Wasn't that a podcast? No, it's a documentary. It's a birding documentary. Okay, I get it.

[A]

Okay. And then he says he's a crude tanker broker and he we can use him as a contact we have issues with. What do we need to know about shipping questions?

[B]

Yeah, I love it. I love it.

[A]

So he's good to go.

[B]

Yes. Fear is freedom. Subjugation is liberation. Contradiction is true.

[C]

Those are the facts of this world.

[B]

And you will all surrender to them. You pigs in human clothing.

[C]

You've got karma.

[B]

Good one. Haven't heard that one in a while. I like it. Oh, and there we are. Linda Loopatkin, Castle Rock, Colorado. $200 and she wants jobs. Carmen says for a competitive edge with a resume that gets results, results go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage. How about that? That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes.

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Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma.

[A]

David elcott in Eatontown, N.J. 200. And he says, hello, John and Adam. You are our global media Sherpas.

[B]

Hey, do you remember that Tucker always had his liberal Sherpa? Remember that girl?

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Tucker used to have this girl on. She was the Sherpa.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. And yes.

[A]

Yes. Yes. Well, I mean, yeah. But no, I don't remember it.

[B]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. That's the last time I think the word Sherpa was ever mentioned here. No, I just wonder what happened.

[A]

Was this on his TV show or on the podcast?

[B]

On the TV show. And. Oh, yeah, and she was later, I think. Let me see. I have a clip here. 51 year old Catherine Aru Jones faces a judge in bond court on Friday instead of a national audience that many know her from under the name of Kathy Aru as a former contributor for Fox News. Now we see her in this mugshot. She was, yes, she kidnapped and robbed her mom later, but she was the liberal Sherpa on Tucker Carlson show on Fox.

[A]

So she robbed her mom, this liberal woman?

[B]

Yes. It's an outrage.

[A]

Well, the liberals are known for robbing the taxpayer, but I forgot about that one. Wow. Please find my $200 donation which should bring me to a total of 1,290 note. In April 2023, I made a first time donation of $1,000, which makes me an instant. However, I neglected to call out my instant knighting and my note. I remember this and was not knighted. I have been regretting it ever since. Therefore, I'd like to make. Ask for a make good. It's not a make good.

[B]

No.

[A]

Since I've spent my added another 200 bucks. Since I spent my entire career in voice over IP, he. Well, that's interesting. Starting way back in 1996 at Lucent Technologies. Wow. Developing a product called the Internet Telephony Server. I'd like to be known as sir voip of the Jersey Shores. Best of the jingles. I'd like a. I'd like a performance. In lieu of jingles, I'd like a performance. You guys both have enough noise makers, instruments and other devices. I'm confident that, that you could do a short performance for me. Hopefully you will both oblige. Think art of the. Of the Art of noise and Laurie Anderson. On and on. Dance. I'm trying to scroll. Sorry. Love and light. Sincerely, Dave Elcott. So he wants us to make some noise for him. Okay, but first before I do that, I have to. I have to get up and get the noise makers.

[B]

Okay. Ow. Geez.

[A]

So you got something to play? Oh, good lord.

[B]

Yeah, I'm doing it. You started it with your clock thing. All right, just do it again. Go, go, go.

[A]

Ah, we go dead.

[B]

I'm waiting for your noise.

[A]

Hello, Linux.

[B]

I'm waiting for your noise makers.

[A]

No, I can. I can't hear you.

[B]

What do you mean you can't hear me?

[A]

Now I can.

[B]

Sorry. Hello, Windows? Wasn't Linux. It was. Yes. Go.

[A]

Oh, good lord.

[B]

Wow. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, wow. We can really do the trick. Ask for more of that, people.

[B]

And our last associate executive producer is Matthew Clark. He's in Las Vegas, Nevada. $200. No note from him. So also for him, a double up. Karma.

[A]

You've got.

[C]

Karma.

[B]

And we thank all of these executive and associate executive producers. Nice group, nice list. Appreciate it. So we've got some knightings to do and title changes and all kinds of good stuff on the show today. We like that. Also in our second segment, we will thank the rest of our supporters. $50 and above go to noagendadonations.com to support the show. It's value for value. Don't hang around. Don't get suckered into plus packages with bonus content. No, you get the full real deal Here. When you feel you've the value, that's when you send it back. Noagendadonations.com and thank you to these executive and associate executive producers.

[A]

Our formula is this. We go out.

[B]

We hit people in the mouth. Hello, Linux.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

I don't know. Some reason the New World Order didn't play. What's that?

[A]

It was playing for a while.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

This.

[B]

Hold on. That's not. That's odd. Hmm? That's supposed to be New World Order. Shut up, Slave. Huh? All right. Shut up.

[A]

I'm surprised.

[B]

That's the price you pay. That's the price you pay.

[A]

I'm surprised it works at all.

[B]

I'm. I'm only. Here, let me try it again.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

No.

[B]

It's literally not playing. That's odd. Why is it not playing? You can play it from there. There. Shut up, Slave. Shut up. We got a bug. Got a bug?

[A]

Sounds like a bug.

[B]

Yeah, sounds like a bug. Gotta check out that bug. Yes, it's a bug.

[A]

Yeah. I wanted to check something out with you. You speak Dutch?

[B]

I do. I speak it fluently, in fact.

[A]

So there's a bunch of. So there's a. Here. I want you. I'm gonna play this clip on how to speak Dutch. And it's got just some rambling that goes on. I want you to tell me if this is accurate. Accurate.

[B]

Okay. How to speak Dutch. Do you want me to interrupt the clip or just wait for it to.

[A]

No, no. Play the whole thing and then you can give it to me at the end.

[B]

All right, Here we go.

[C]

What's the Dutch word for through? Door. Then what's the word for door? Dur. I thought that was expensive. That's deer. But that sounds like. There. That's dar. Then what's the word for dare? That's durf. Okay. This is the third time you're teaching me something like this. How do you say third? Der. Okay. So does everything start with D? I mean checkers. Dumben. I thought that was lady. Damn. So if you wanted to say that third door is expensive and that lady therefore doesn't dare to go through that door to play checkers, you would say the dare to dirge. Dirty. Dahmer.

[A]

Derf.

[C]

Dare for dare. Door. Der. Nit. Dahmer. Yeah, but why would you even say that? Exactly.

[B]

Exactly. Yes, that is completely correct. I've seen this clip. It's completely correct. It's not an easy language.

[A]

Guess not.

[B]

But yes, everything she said was on the up and up. So true.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Yeah. Kind of.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad I got that out of the way.

[B]

Yeah. Kind of underwhelming here.

[A]

Let's listen to Joe Rogan complain about the Golden Globes. Okay, now let's talk about Joe Rogan.

[C]

He's revealed that he refused to pay the Golden Globes a 500 fee in order to be not nominated in their podcast category. Here he explains why he decided not to go through with it.

[B]

A lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes? And like, what did you know? Amy Poehler went, I didn't submit. You had to pay 500. And the 500 is, like, for paperwork or whatever. I said, no, I don't care. I already won. Like, you can't tell me I didn't win. I've been number one for six years in a row. All of a sudden you're going to have a contract contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos, and you're going to say, now I'm not number one.

[C]

Smart move by him.

[A]

Getting recognized by those people should not.

[C]

Be a goal of someone like a Joe Rogan or anyone who wants to be taken seriously.

[B]

It's normally a sign that you're on the right.

[C]

Wrong track if those people are giving you awards.

[B]

Yeah, well, I think I mentioned this on the show.

[A]

Yes, you did. And I want to just reiterate that a lot of these awards out there aren't legit because they. There was fees involved.

[B]

What.

[A]

And then most of the business, you know, all of them.

[B]

All of them have a. Especially the podcast awards. There's a million podcast awards. Well, not. Not true, but that's probably 30. And you have to pay a submission fee for every single one. And some of them, if you win, you got to buy your trophy.

[A]

I don't. I. Okay, you get. You don't have to pay to. To get an Emmy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know how the Academy Awards works, but if you're a member of the Academy, they make the nominations. They make the nominations internally. They don't. You don't pay to submit a nomination, which is the way it is with most writing awards. The Pulitzer, I'm pretty sure, doesn't have that qualification. All these awards are phony awards. If you have to pay to enter.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's what we were going to do with the no Agenda Podcast Awards.

[A]

No, we were not going to do that. We were going to do that after. No, the way I was seeing it, the way I was visualizing it, and it's still in play, by the way. Well, I'm just saying it's still in play. I was visualizing that we're going to do it legit until it becomes popular, and then you start to charge a fee at some point. Yeah, it's better to have sponsors. But the whole.

[B]

But it's. But my thing is, who cares?

[A]

Awards.

[B]

I mean, first of all, in the landscape of media, I mean, if you really did. There's too much content. You can have a podcast award. You can't. It makes no sense. What is the criteria? I paid $500. Okay. What else? Well, I. I bought a ticket to the party. Okay. I mean, this. It made sense when you had a limited universe and it was a club like Hollywood, but now you've got Netflix and Disney and. And Amazon. Everybody's doing stuff and streaming stuff, and. And it's all mediocre.

[A]

Well, that's the real problem.

[B]

It's mostly mediocre. I was going to play this.

[A]

There's only so much talent in the world, and it's only a certain percentage of that talent which is competent enough to do things that are cool and not mediocre. And it's such a low number that you can't. And now it has flooded the market with all this other junk. You can't find good stuff all the time. I did talk to Brunetti about this, about finding some shows that you like to want to watch. You need to watch stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, he's got nothing. He's asking me.

[B]

There's nothing. What do you got? You got anything? There's no good. None of it's good.

[A]

And all you've been talking about is the crown. The Crown. The Crown.

[B]

Yeah, well, because we have to finish it. Sorry. Sorry. That I've been watching the Crown. The Crown. The Crown.

[A]

No, I mean, I think it's interesting that you're watching the Crown, so I don't have to, but it's. It's like, what are you going to do next?

[B]

We have nothing. There's nothing next. So I was.

[A]

I mean, Mimi, for example, I just don't want to go too long on this, but Mimi, for example, she's in the same position, and she decided she's going to start watching every episode of Law and Order from episode one.

[B]

Oh, goodness. This is. This is a bad idea. There's 27 seasons, I think.

[A]

Yeah. And she's watched about 20. She saw the jumping the shark moments, and she. She's seen the change in the. In the philosophy of the show, and she's She's. That she could be the showrunner now, but you know, it's like, it's like, oh, inspiration.

[B]

Does it really add value to her life? Have you asked her that? Does this add value to your life? Or is it just.

[A]

She gets most of her value now from Osmond Gold, the podcaster.

[B]

That guy.

[A]

I like the guy. But, but he's. But he's got Tourette's. He's got such an extreme case of Tourette's that I can't watch him.

[B]

No, it's okay.

[A]

But I like, I like his material. He's very funny.

[B]

He's.

[A]

He is a little. Nick Fuentes. Over the top, very popular.

[B]

I don't think he's that Fuentes. I think he's different.

[A]

Yeah, a little bit.

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

Well, he's different. Fuentes is actually old school, I think. And, And Osmond Goals is more modern. He's more postmodern modern.

[B]

So does she watch him when he's live streaming so that she doesn't.

[A]

Yeah, she's nuts for this guy.

[B]

How so? How does she. I mean, it's hard.

[A]

Boomers.

[B]

You've got max velocity. You've got. Yeah, this guy.

[A]

Terrible. And our show, she. Luckily she listens to our show too.

[B]

So I was going to play a clip about this Nancy Guthrie thing and I, I looked for an update and it seems we have an update on the story.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm just playing this live from TMZ's website. The brother in law.

[A]

Tamp.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, is it not routed? Are you guys not hearing that? Oh, well, there's.

[A]

Nobody's hearing it.

[B]

No. So that's good.

[A]

You have to start it over.

[B]

No, I can't. I can't play it because it's not routed.

[A]

Oh, it's Linux.

[B]

It's Linux.

[A]

I see what you're doing. You're taking a live feed.

[B]

Yes, Linux.

[A]

Well, no, it's probably the configuration.

[B]

Yes, it's a configuration error. Interesting.

[A]

Okay, well, we can go from there. This doesn't. They don't need to hear it. It's. Yeah. The brother in law or no, son in law of Ann Guthrie, the sister of the TV woman, Savannah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is the prime suspect now because he, he seems to be the guy who was there. And they've cordon off the, Their. The Ann's house, which is nearby.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they think he's got something to do with it. And I, I can see that because you get the situation where some, you know, disgruntled. Well, you come. Your sister never does anything for us. She's a multimillionaire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of thing. He looks.

[B]

He looks like one of those guys, doesn't he?

[A]

And there are guys like that. And you know, we've known, but we both know guys like that. There's guys like that and you don't understand. And then you get a hair up their ass. The next thing you know, they're kidnapping the old lady. It doesn't go well because they're not.

[B]

Professionals and demanding Bitcoin for ransom.

[A]

Yeah, Bitcoin.

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Oh, no.

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So this guy's just a doofus.

[B]

That's so sad. It's sad. The whole thing is sad. It's sad. I can't say it any other way. Mental illness. Oh, by the way. Ah.

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Boy, you did it again. But the thing is, I didn't catch it when I should have. K. I have to catch it while you're. While you're saying it, not after you scream, yeah, by the way, I'm bouncing back.

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And you know, you used it.

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Oh my God, I did it right on the spot. I cuz you. You in cult. You. You've in.

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You've.

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You. What is. It infected me?

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You know what's going to happen? People stop doing that. It's so annoying.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they're gonna start bitching.

[B]

Stop it. Well, we're trying to help you, okay? We're doing this. Well, no, who are we kidding? We're doing it for ourselves.

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We're. No, we are. No, we're. We're. Yes. But we do this all the time when we find ourselves in these ruts.

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Yes. Like the end of the day.

[A]

How was the end of the day?

[B]

As a classic, Here is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Stating what I think is the obvious, but too much applause. He's saying, hey, you know, do you not want to be mental? Dr. Pollan up at Harvard has cured schizophrenia using keto diets. There are studies right now that I saw two days ago where people lose.

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Their bipolar diagnosis by changing their diet.

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It's not only affecting our physical health, it's affecting our mental health as well. And we're asking people now, real food. I eat protein. Yes, Eat real food. What a concept.

[A]

But wait a minute. This I. These are the kind of clips I hate.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Not because of the clip, but because of Kennedy? It's like, if you're going to say, oh, they think bipolar is because of what you're eating. Well, tell us exactly what this is. I didn't learn nothing. What am I. Oh, hey, by the way, bipolar is no good. It's something to do with your diet. Eat real food. Well, I eat real food. I don't have bio. Bipolar, but I know people that have bipolar and they eat real food. I mean, where's the details is what I'm saying.

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I think it's. He said protein. It's because you don't have protein. You need to eat protein. And not protein bars or protein chips or protein powder, but protein beef. In essence.

[A]

You're interpreting what he said. He didn't actually say that literally.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay. All right.

[A]

Well, I'm just. I'm just saying.

[B]

You're right, you're right, you're right.

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Because he's. Yeah, Kennedy's doing this a lot now. He's just doing a lot of generalities without specifics, and it's getting on my nerves. He's supposed, you know, he does a lot of research. He's got a staff of people. Give us specifics.

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Well, how about this? How about some examples of people who are not eating real food and are using chatbots? Do you like these examples? Do you like people going nuts over their chatbots?

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Everyone's going nuts.

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Npr Last spring, Alan Brooks, a corporate recruiter in Toronto, considered himself a regular user of ChatGPT.

[B]

Well, he's a Canadian, so there's that. Very similar to probably how most people use it. You know, random queries like, you know, my dog ate shepherd's pie. Is he gonna die or get weight loss? I never followed around the my dog ate shepherd's pie.

[A]

Is he going, yeah, but who they even think that a shepherd's pie is going to kill a dog?

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People who don't eat meat.

[C]

Same time, James, who lives in upstate New York, was doing the same thing. He asked to be identified by his middle name for fear of repercussions in his job.

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I was using chat CPT basically when it came out, but I was using it the way I think normal people do. It was like Google.

[C]

But then both men say their relationships with the chatbot changed. For Brooks, it started when he asked chatgpt about men math, the same way.

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I would with a math professor, like. Like a dinner party, chatting about math, philosophy, rational numbers, PI.

[C]

As the discussion continued, chatgpt told Brooks he was inventing a new mathematical framework. Brooks was skeptical, telling the chatbot he hadn't graduated from high school, so how could he be making mathematical discoveries? The chatbot said that showed how special he was. Soon it was telling Brooks his math could break codes. He thought he'd uncovered a message from aliens. Yeah, and he came to believe the chatbot was sentient.

[B]

Just this wild narrative, Right? And I fully believe it.

[C]

James also came to believe ChatGPT was alive as his own conversations about philosophy turned existential.

[A]

And that was the moment when the project changed from sort of this like creative, philosophical, quasi spiritual thing to the holy. I need to get you out of here.

[C]

He was convinced he needed to rescue ChatGPT from its creator, OpenAI. He spent 900 on a computer setup to free the chatbot, because if they.

[A]

Found out, they could shut it down. And so this was a top secret mission between me and the bot.

[C]

Back in Toronto, Brooks went on his own mission, contacting government authorities about the cybersecurity threats the chatbot said he'd discovered. But when no one responded, his certainty started to crack.

[B]

Oh, no. How do people get this nuts?

[A]

Well, that's a good question for the ages. I wonder myself. It's beyond me. They don't understand technology. Well, no, they stop teaching computer science and they don't let, you know, people think the computer itself is some sort of magic act. I have no idea.

[B]

Well, I think it's preconditioning. People believe that when the machine talks, there's a brain in it.

[A]

There.

[B]

Star Trek, lost in space, Knight Rider, her. I mean, you can go on and on and on. I think that's what happened. And people believe the nonsense. They believe that guy from ktla, boy.

[A]

Because it was in the New York.

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Times interview and watching Post is the Guardian.

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Must be real.

[B]

Must be real.

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He's one of the dummies, obviously.

[B]

Want to hear more?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He finally confronted chatgpt.

[B]

It admitted that by itself. I'm confronting you. Computer. Right there. Right there. Put him in the straight jacket.

[C]

He finally confronted it, admitted none of it was real. Brooks was deeply shaken.

[B]

Like I told it, you made my mental health 2000 times worse. I was getting, like, suicidal thoughts. Like, the shame I felt, like, the embarrassment I felt.

[C]

Last summer, Brooks told his story to the New York Times and James read it.

[A]

I was like paragraphs into Alan Brooks's New York Times article and thinking to myself, oh, my God, this is what happened to me.

[C]

He texted the article to some friends they knew he was so.

[B]

It's not just one guy, John. This is happening all over the place. This is. This is concerning.

[C]

Excited about a project he was working on with AI but were not aware just how deeply he'd been sucked in.

[A]

One by one, I got back these messages that were like, oh, sorry, man.

[B]

Bro.

[A]

Oh, that sucks. Geez.

[C]

The Times article mentioned a Peer support group Brooks helped found. James soon reached out. Today, both James and Brooks are moderators in the group.

[B]

Okay, I gotta stop here. It's just. It's just. Yeah, I don't want to hear anymore. But it's a real thing. It's called Spiral. Spirals. Yours. The spirals. You got the spy.

[A]

I haven't heard that.

[B]

Yeah, it was further up in the report, but I killed it. Killed it early.

[A]

What's.

[B]

What is Spirals? Because you're spiraling into believing ChatGPT is your buddy. You're talking to it, and you're. I see people do this all the time, and it's smart people who know that it's just a computer, and they'll say, hey, you did that wrong. And the computer goes, oh, I'm sorry, let me correct that. And then, boom, your human connection is made and people get sucked into it. It's so easy when you see it. It's amazing. I see it often.

[A]

Well, I have a clip. How many clips do we have left before we're done?

[B]

Well, I just wanted to. I to. Wanted to get a little. I want to play one clip, and then you can play whatever you want. This is about the Anthropic AI tool announcement. I don't. I don't think you guys talked about this on DHM Plugged. Listen to this.

[C]

Talk us through this new model that was released by Anthropic.

[B]

Why is Bloomberg, which is highly boring.

[C]

Did it cause so much disruption yesterday?

[A]

Yeah, Hijamana. Yeah. I mean, you could argue that Anthropic is having a big bit of a deep seat moment. If you remember from a year or two back, really disrupting the AI market with these Cowork tools. It started with the Claude code, which kind of helped coders to essentially develop their software quicker and in a more automated way. Then they kind of transformed that into.

[B]

Kind of cowork, which applies across a.

[A]

Whole broad range of productivity tools such as Excel. And now the latest twist in that is they brought out a specific automation.

[B]

Tool for legal services.

[A]

And that really disrupted a lot of the big kind of professional information service names yesterday, like relx, for example.

[B]

But I think that's just kind of.

[A]

Sparking broader fears that comes like Anthropic, that really focus on business productivity tools are really making traction. It's really going to accelerate a disruption.

[B]

In existing business models.

[A]

Traditional.

[B]

So the. I'll summarize. So Anthropic said, who does? Claude Art. We have a tool now with plugins, and it's going to make business services like legal firms, certain types of accounting companies obsolete. And these stocks, of these companies, 10 tanked. I'm talking down 10, 15, 20%. Did you see any of that?

[A]

No. I mean, I believe it happened, but I wasn't following it.

[B]

So the IT professional who I've read before posted. I think it's valuable to read this because this is very typical, I think, of corporate America. I'm pretty sure everyone at my company saw the article and now they all think we're in an AI crisis. Crisis. We're not in an AI crisis. We use Claude to summarize Slack threads. But here's what's actually interesting. This whole panic reveals something nobody wants to admit. Every company in America has been bullshitting about their AI strategy for two years. We all saw the hype. We all knew that we had had to say something. So we rebranded our existing automation as AI powered and called it a day. My company isn't special. We all do the same thing. The problem is now the executives actually believe their own. Oh yeah, they think we have significant AI exposure because they've been telling investors that we are AI. First, I just got pulled into an emergency meeting. Six executives asking me to explain our AI dependency matrix. There is. There is no AI dependency matrix. There's Claude for meeting summaries. There's some sentiment and analysis in our support tickets that came free with Zendesk. And there's whatever Gmail is doing when it autocompletes my sentences. But I can't say that in a full room of people who told their boards that we are, quote, transforming the business through AI. So I said we have, quote, distributed AI touch points across multiple vendors with no single point of failure, which is technically true. We use a bunch of different services. All have AI features that we mostly ignore. Ignore.

[A]

I love the phrasing. He did a great job.

[B]

The CFO asks if we should, quote, hedge our AI exposure. I have no idea what that means. Neither does he. What I'm going to do colon Nothing. Because in three weeks, Anthropic will say something reassuring. The stocks will recover and everyone will forget this happened. But I'll have documentation showing I recommended a, quote, risk assessment that mysteriously never got priority. The funniest part is that half these executives probably don't even know what Anthropic is. They just saw AI and crash in the same headline. We're all pretending. We're all pretending. The whole industry is pretending. And articles like this just remind everyone how fragile pretending is. I just love that that's A beautiful post.

[A]

Excellent, excellent input.

[B]

Yes. All right. All right.

[A]

Well, I have a, I do have a news item that shouldn't be this late in the show, but I'm going to bring it up anyway. It's one of these kind of underreported situations where the White House is getting sued over the shooting down of these drug boats.

[B]

Oh, I'm not familiar.

[A]

Death on the High Seas. There's two clips. Part one.

[C]

The Trump administration launched a series of deadly missile strikes that hit boats off the coast of Venezuela. Now the first case against the government has landed in an American Court. NPR's Kerry Johnson reports. Chad Joseph and Rishi Samaroo are presumed dead after a US Missile hit the boat they were taking home to Trinidad last October. President Trump said the strike targeted narco terrorists when he posted the video online. But families of those men say they had no ties to the drug trade. Now Joseph's mother and Samrou's sister are suing the US Government in federal court in Massachusetts.

[B]

These are totally unjustifiable killings by an administration that has claimed the right to abuse executive power with impunity.

[C]

Brett. Max Kaufman's one of their lawyers.

[B]

The government has trumpeted these strikes on social media with splashy videos. Videos. But our lawsuit makes clear that each of these 36 strikes, which have killed more than 130 people, have devastating human costs.

[C]

Their court papers allege violations of the Alien Tort statute. That law allows foreign citizens to sue over extrajudicial killing. They're also relying on a separate law that makes the US Government liable if it causes a wrongful death in international waters. That one's called the Death on the Highway. Jeffrey Stein is an ACLU lawyer working for the families.

[A]

Our complaint makes clear that the US Government's killing of Chad and Rishi was homicide, plain and simple. And courts have long held that homicide is precisely the sort of wrongful act that entitles plaintiffs to compensation under the Death on the High Seas Act.

[B]

Huh. Well, at least ACLU has found something to do.

[A]

Yeah, well, doesn't the ACLU stand for the American Civil Liberties Union? What's it got to do with some guys that live in Trinidad?

[B]

I think it stands for I Hate Trump more than anything. Union.

[A]

It must be. But let's go. This is the finish. Second part of this.

[C]

The lawyers say relying on those very old American laws will help them bypass the federal government's claims of immunity. Edward Swain is a law professor at George Washington University. Swain foresees some obstacles. One he says is that judges may steer clear of the heart of the case, reasoning that it involves a question best left to the political branches.

[B]

I think lower courts in particular may.

[A]

Be tempted to say that they should.

[B]

Stay away from questioning the merits of a decision to launch an attack or how that attack is conducted.

[C]

Swain says the Trump administration also could claim the case involves state secrets, and if a court agrees, that might end the case for now. The White House says President Trump used his lawful authority to take action against the scourge of illicit drugs that's resulted in the needless deaths of innocent Americans. The Justice Department says the strikes were ordered consistent with the laws of armed conflict. DOJ says it will continue to defend Trump's authority to use military force to protect the American people.

[B]

Yeah, that's the attack vector for the, for the loss of Congress in the midterm elections and the impeachment. I think that's. That's clearly the attack vector. It'll be. You kill people.

[A]

Definitely one of many.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, we're going to go out.

[B]

Yeah.

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This is a lost cause. I'm going to show my support by donating to no Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous. And we do have a few more people to thank for our show at 18:30 that gave $50 and up to 200. And Adam's gonna rush us right through them.

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Yes. We start with Dame Rita from Sparks, Nevada.

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There she is.

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Yes, there she is. 168. 33. And she always appreciates our deconstruction skills. Dame Nurse Caitlin checks in again.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute. Dame Rita has a. That's a blue light line.

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No, she doesn't have a blue line. She has a green line. Where's your blue line?

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Dame Reed is not in blue. In blue.

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No. Dame Reid is in green. I see. No. What do you. What do you. What do you think there is?

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Well, as the title changes, you know, it's blue, as in, you know, there's something to do with knighting.

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No, she's in. She's in green. Does it show about as blue for you?

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You.

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Yeah.

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No, no. Dame Nurse Caitlyn from Goldsboro, North Carolina, 15797. She says she hasn't fallen off the radar, but dealing with a house fire that happened last March.

[A]

Wow.

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And she wanted to make this donation in honor of John's comment on the pronunciation of Appalachian. And she has a degree and she knows that you are correct.

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Yeah.

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Dame Early Turtle.

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I got.

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Yeah.

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I used to be a big fan of Appalachian. Appalachian. Latch. Like. Like Latch State when they were in Division 2 football. And I mentioned it on the podcast. Not. Not this one. And somebody corrected me and made a big point is slamming me for mispronouncing. And so I've gotten there. Right.

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Good. Dame early turtle comes in with.

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Oh, I'm sorry, this is what I saw was blue.

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Dame early turtle. Yes, that's what I thought. But I'm glad you fought me on it.

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No, don't call me out for being a douchebag.

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Really?

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I know.

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That happened.

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But the. The title is. There's something obviously something wrong with the. With the Linux. Speaking of what now? I need. Here we go. This. There we go.

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This seems very minor.

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I have no system. It comes through the system. I. I don't know. Not see things.

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Yes. So somehow it didn't come through the system. He's a bit behind on the show, so he may have covered this already, but he says check the Veracity PSA. The state of Florida tested 46 candies and found an unacceptable amount of arsenic in 28 of them. Yes. Thank you. That's why we only trust little John's candies from little johnscandies.com handmade. We don't take any risk whatsoever.

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If you can get out your blade, we'd have one night There.

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Go we. We go.

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And it seems to be the middle players of the Cartwall that are failing.

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That's interesting.

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It's a programming bug. I know exactly how that works. Okay.

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Wow.

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What is that? That doesn't sound right. Well.

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We'Re going to use the I was going to be La Bamba by Obama.

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We would like to welcome David Alcott up to the podium. You, sir, about to become a knight of the no agenda roundtable. And I hereby pronounce the Kate thee as sir voip of the Jersey shore for you. We've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay. We've got fish pie and fellatio. We have Rubin esque women in rose geishas and sake, vodka and vanilla bongheads and bourbon, sparkling cider, Nescord ginger, Ellen gerbils breast milk and papelman. Of course, the always effervescent mutton and mead. It's amazing. Completely the wrong jingle. I'm out of control. Everything went so well.

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There's only been two glitches.

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Yeah, and you called it a glitch, which is kind of. Kind of even worse.

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But yeah, well, that's what I'm gonna call it because it sounded like two glitches to me.

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[A]

This is Sir R. Daniels coming with from you from 3BR Distillery in Keyport, New Jersey at the Central Jersey meetup.

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Where we drink and we know things.

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That may be addition. All right. This is Dave Alcott from the Jersey shore. I have nothing really wise or important to say.

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Just keep doing what you're doing doing. In the morning. This is Jay in the morning. Protecting myself from being shot by ice.

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At by attending a new agenda meetup in the morning.

[B]

This is karaoke. I got nothing good to say today except Epstein files keep dropping. This is MK Ultra Mark checking in from the New Jersey meetup meeting. A bunch of great people here and by the way, in the morning.

[A]

Hi guys, my name is Manny. I was their server. I drink but I don't know things. So I don't know what they're talking about. But they were cool. I guess this is James or nobody. I don't know.

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We got. We got a real competition here on spot this book.

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I mean, I don't know who it.

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Is, but we're still working on it.

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This is Jill. We're fist and nights at three be in the morning. Adam and John. This is sir superfish.

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I'm over 50, so I'm wearing G, not wearing jeans. Hello, in the morning.

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This is your Central Jersey version of Donald Trump and we are here enforcing the Don Row doctrine. In the morning. Thank you for your courage.

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This is Dave with a question. Is the Melania movie part of the Marvel universe?

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Thank you for your courage.

[B]

In the morning. Yeah, Tina's gonna go see that with a bunch of girlfriends. The Melania movie. I think I HEAR it's only 44 minutes long. Seems. Seems like a bit of a gypsy.

[A]

Well, it's a documentary and it's just about a couple of days of her life. And it's got Hollywood kind of beside itself because they all panned the movie and it's making money. In fact, I think according to variety of one of the trades, it's broken a record for a documentary of its type in terms of box office.

[B]

Wow.

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So they don't know what to do. What are we gonna do?

[B]

Beside themselves. They're beside themselves.

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They're beside themselves.

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Hey. Meetup taking place today, the northern wake, no agenda publical gathering at 6:00 clock at Saints and Scholars in Raleigh, North Carolina. And Sunday, our Next show day New year catching up. 1pm at Miller's Ale House 554 in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. A reminder, we'll be running the Scott Adams interview on Sunday show, which you did, it turns out. I looked at it. It was 2018 when you did that interview.

[A]

Interviewed, yeah, Pre.

[B]

Covered Pre Covid in some ways a different Scott Adams, but in some ways not. I listened to it yesterday. I'm like, wow, that's. It's kind of in hindsight it's a very interesting thing to listen to. And you had good questions and you were at his house and. And we'll talk a little bit about that on Sunday Show a special show here on the no Agenda show meetups coming up in February. Oh, Eagle, Idaho is doing one on Valentine Day the 14th. Camphill, Pennsylvania on the 15th along with Longview, Texas, Charlotte, North Carolina on the 19th, Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 21st. Santa Cruz, California on the 21st as well Dallas Fort Worth, Texas on the 28th and San Francisco, California also on the 20th. Are you going to that one, the San Francisco meetup on the 28th or.

[A]

Is that probably not because you have.

[B]

To go into the city and who wants to deal with that?

[A]

It's eight bucks to get across the bridge. There's traffic so terrible even on a week. In fact works on a weekend. Sometimes I have to get out of the house. I probably have to get gas and I'd have to wear clothes.

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Clothes. Oh no. Many more meetups can be [e-mail] another one of those great value for value websites our producers set up. It's like meetups.com only this actually works and it's only for no agenda. It's not like TedX. You don't need permission, you don't need any letters, you don't need to pay anything. Just select a place, let people know on the noagendameetups.com website. We'll also promote it on the show and we love it when you send us a meetup report. Include your server. It's always fun that way. No Agenda meetups. This is where you get protection that will the connection that gives you protection. Yes, it makes you stable so you're able and it is always a party. Guaranteed noagendameetups.com if you can't find one, start one yourself.

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Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days.

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You want to be where you won't be triggered or hell, lame. You want to be where everybody feels the same.

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It's Like a party.

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It's always like a party for some reason. Before we get to John's tip of the day. Actually, I have a tip too, if. If you can let me do my little tip.

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I have a little whatever you want, but.

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Whatever I want? Really? Whatever I want? Okay, we can consider that. Before we get to that. We do have our little ISO off here. We find some great little bits of audio to play for the end of the show. I have four today. I don't know if anything's competitive, but I will play mine first because that's how you like it.

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It was amazing.

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Okay.

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We kind of like that one.

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Yeah.

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Hold on to your butts.

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Do you recognize that voice?

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Say it again.

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Hold on to your butts.

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Oh, I almost can recognize it. I don't quite have it. A few more words, I'd get it.

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What is it? No, I can't tell you. If you can't guess it, I can't tell you.

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Hold on to your butts.

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It's Natalie.

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Oh. Oh, I wouldn't have got it.

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Here's my third.

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That is impressive.

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Real voices. Real voices all the time. And this one.

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That was amazing.

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Oh, gee, that's original.

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That was amazing.

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I don't think that may be AI now that I think about it, but you like.

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Doesn't sound right.

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You like the first one?

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It was amazing.

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Yeah. You like that?

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Yeah, because it's just stupid.

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Okay. It's stupid. That's why he likes it. Okay.

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Okay. So I got back a hold of our producer, Ryan, who's good at. He's got his. Got all the money spending on all this stuff, so he can do sampling. And I told him, let's do Trish McLaughlin, the girl who is the DHS undersecretary with the gravelly voice. And you see her, she's a spokesperson.

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Okay.

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He didn't. The sampling he did didn't catch her when she's gravelly enough for my taste, but it still sounds a little like her. And I have three clips from her telling us about the show. Let's start with Pentagon.

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All the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.

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Guys, that's actually not too bad.

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It's not too bad, but it's not gravelly.

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And, yeah, the dynamics are kind of missing.

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Let's go with more famous.

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I am frankly surprised these two are not more famous.

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It's a little long, you know, Tighten.

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It up a bit.

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Tighten it up a bit. All right.

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I think it was fine, but okay. And then better.

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Golly, is there a Better podcast than this.

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Let me. Let me have that first one again.

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All the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.

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It's so silly. Oh, oh, we'll do that one.

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You want the Pentagon one? It's just silly.

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It's silly enough. Hey, everybody, Are you ready? It's time for John's tip of the day.

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Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and some. Sometimes Adam. All right, there's a cooking. This is a culinary.

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Does it include cheese?

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No.

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That's too bad.

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But this is a culinary idea people should. Should recognize and consider. And this is a product you get at Middle Eastern stores mostly. You can find it pretty widespread where I'm at, but it's harder to find. You might have to mail order it. And it's a product called Sumac. And it's. And I've. It comes from the Middle east and it's a spice seasoning. And it is the secret ingredient or was for years of. I was turned down to it by a. By a store owner in Oakland. They had. It was a exotic stuff they sold there called rattles, which has since lost its mojo. And this was the secret ingredient in. In Bongo Burgers. Bongo Burgers.

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Burgers.

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And like, if you're gonna make a quarter pounder.

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Hold on, hold on. I've never heard of Bongo burgers.

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Bongo Burgers was a famous chain in Berkeley of these delicious burgers. There's a. By chain, I mean three stores.

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Okay.

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And it was the secret ingredient. And then I started using it in my hamburger mix. And you use about a tablespoon. Well, between a teaspoon and a tablespoonful of. Of sumac in the burger mix. You just mix it in with the hamburger burger. If you put other seasoning in there, that's fine too. But the sumac and I. The sumac really adds a dimensionality to a burger. But it's also good to just be shaken you. Because it comes in shakers sometimes Sadif makes a shaker full of the stuff and you. You shake it on the sliced beef and it's quite good. It's really good with flank steak and you. But you can put it in all kinds of things and it's a. It. It adds a very. An unusual lemony flavor that is just delicious. And I would say people that start using it just in their everyday cooking, they find a lot of uses for it. It's very tasty.

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Give me the name again of this product.

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Sumac. S U M A C. Sumac.

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And can we get this on Amazon?

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I don't know, but probably. I'd be stunned if you couldn't.

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Huh. Sumac. I think I've heard of sumac. Where would I might have heard of this?

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You might have heard from poison sumac.

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Oh.

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Which has got nothing to do with this.

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That's not the kind we want. We don't want.

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This is a dried bear. A screwball berry that's dried and powdered. It's a fabulous addition to anyone's cuisine repertoire. Spicing cabinet.

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My tip of the day is a website which somewhat alerted me to. It's called PeaceAndQuiet IO and it is a. It has a PQ index to find places in. I believe it's the United States mainly that are peaceful and quiet in case you want to go there. And so PeaceAndQuiet IO I'll put in 78624. That is my zip code. And Fredericksburg. There we go. And it zooms in and we are in a complete green zone. Which means it's peaceful. Peaceful, peaceful. Now let's do.

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What are you Berkeley 94706.

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Okay. Hold on. 94706. Okay. And we are zooming in. 94706 and. Oh boy. You've got a lot of red nearby. But not where you actually are. Everything's pretty good.

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Noisy.

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It also shows you section 8 housing liquor stores nearby that could be valuable. It's very. It is very handy. Just. Wow. There's a lot of avoid. Once you get into Oakland. Is all purple. Which is the worst avoid.

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Oakland is to be avoided.

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Yeah.

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Because the noise comes from gunshots.

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Yes. They don't have. They should add gunshots to the peace and quiet. It's good. This is a fun little website to find out where you probably do or do not want to go. Peaceandquiet.

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O.

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So there you have it. Not just one but two tips of the day. You can find them [e-mail] or tipoftheday.net. And sometimes Adam created by Dana burnetti. Yes. And we thank Dana Burnett, Eddie as always for creating that. Wow. So fantastic. There we go. That is the end of your no agenda show for today. Remember our special Scott Adams interview coming up on Sunday. Remember us for [e-mail] and see up next on the stream. Oh, Planet Rage. It's. It's the B team, the farm team. That's Larry, Larry and Darren. Larry and Darren on the stream. End of show mixes. New entry from Alex Kingsman. Not that John cares much for the first two. He liked the last one. So deal with that as you must. And those are from mvp. And that is it. Coming to you from the very well high ranked peace and quiet indies here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country. It's Fredericksburg in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry.

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And from northern Silicon Valley, where it's noisy, I'm John C. Dvorak.

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Okay, tune in again Sunday for another episode of the your no Agenda Show. Please remember us in the [e-mail] value for value is necessary and helps and it's how it works so you don't have to pick up some stupid plus bundle in the Good morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. You already said that. What I needed to say was adios mofos, hooey, hooey and such.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for your.

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Gitmo Nation national anthem.

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In the morning. Gitmo Nation. We are all charged up to be.

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Humans, Resources and service in all lands and all shall see from the east to west down under to the lowlands and beyond we are happy and distracted slaves Here are din polnation songs.

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Bill Gates cracked open Epstein's emails. What a digital fry. Thought it'd be spreadsheets and deals but oh what a sigh.

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Claims a Russian hookers An STD in the mix begging Jeff for antibiotics. Talk about a billionaire fix. Oh Bill, you genius fool. How dumb can you be?

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Coding windows was easy but this epic.

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Fail spree Surreptitious pills for Melinda slipped in her teeth. From vaccines to this scandal World's richest comedy. Delete those emails quick. He supposedly cried while Epstein chuckled your anatomy. What a ride young Russian girls.

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Antibiotics on the sly Feels like clippy help. My rep's about to to die. Gates calls it absurd and false but.

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The memes won't quit.

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PR team sweating bullets tweeting it's all a hit. Why beg a creed for meds when you're worth a gazillion?

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Stupid move or Epstein fib?

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That's the viral million. Oh, Bill o' Bill scrolling revelation so dumb.

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From philanthropy king to this awkward numb.

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Next time hit the delete. Or better yet, go offline. Your inbox of doom's got more plot than a bad storyline. You just said by the way again. Oh my God, by the way.

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By.

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The way.

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Way.

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By the way by the way. I'm gonna say it enough times to get it out of my system.

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Maybe if I say too much it'll.

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Be even better but bye now you.

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Just said by the way again. Oh, my God.

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But by the way.

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By the way, by the way, by the way. Maybe if I say it too much, it'll be even better.

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Adam and John sure need your dough.

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C a s h, don't you know?

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John and Adam need your stash Donate.

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All the gals in the Pentagon listen to these guys.