Adam Curry (2:02)

No Hillary on the BBC. What is she doing on the BBC?

John C. Dvorak (2:06)

Well, she's. Well, you tell me.

Jennie Bond (2:09)

You keep saying that you didn't know

Andrea Romero (2:11)

Jeffrey Epstein, but your husband flew with him 26 times to party butt naked in the island with some girls. And most people say that you kill Jeffrey Epstein to silence him, just like the other hundreds of mysterious deaths surrounding

Adam Curry (2:27)

you and your husband.

Jennie Bond (2:29)

So are you sure you didn't know Jeffrey Epstein?

Andrea Romero (2:33)

Okay, look, just because I killed the guy doesn't mean I knew the guy. Oh, okay, okay. And can you please stop asking me questions about Jeffrey Epstein? A lot of reporters can go missing, you know, Accidents do happen. People shoot themselves in the back three times. If you know What I mean, anyway, let's talk about something else.

Adam Curry (2:54)

Wow. Throwing out the AI clip of the day right away, huh? All right. I actually do have some. Have a report from Channel 4 in the UK which is not AI but does, I think was kind of relevant to hear.

Andrea Romero (3:10)

A Channel 4 News investigation today reveals that all those pictures, emails, videos and messages released by the Department of Justice, said to be over 3 million pages,

Jennie Bond (3:23)

may amount to just a fraction of

Andrea Romero (3:25)

the Epstein material obtained by investigators. Why do we think that?

Jennie Bond (3:31)

Because these rage. His Florida mansion in 2005 and his

Andrea Romero (3:37)

fancy New York townhouse and sprawling luxury

Adam Curry (3:41)

island in 2019 saw dozens of devices,

Jennie Bond (3:44)

computers, hard drives and servers bagged and

Andrea Romero (3:48)

tagged and brought to FBI offices for examination.

Adam Curry (3:52)

Now, emails examined by Channel 4 News

Andrea Romero (3:54)

Show Investigators discussing those very devices from the earliest stages. Investigators were talking about Epstein's data totaling

Adam Curry (4:04)

many, many times what has so far been released.

Jennie Bond (4:08)

In June 2020, one wrote, we expect

Andrea Romero (4:11)

the data to be somewhere around 20

Jennie Bond (4:13)

to 40 terabytes, noting that the total

Andrea Romero (4:16)

capacity of the devices was up to 50 terabytes.

Adam Curry (4:20)

Then, as recently as last year, long

Andrea Romero (4:22)

after the investigation to Epstein and his

Jennie Bond (4:25)

associates had ended, the figures quoted remained massive.

Andrea Romero (4:29)

We' at a total of approximately 14.6 terabytes of archive data, said another email.

Adam Curry (4:37)

Where is this archive data? Where's this 14.6 terabytes of data? Hmm.

John C. Dvorak (4:45)

So I went through the first 3,000 photos. Wow.

Adam Curry (4:50)

And see, I leave, I leave, I leave the show for a week and I cannot trust you right away. You're going to the photos. Okay, so what did you find?

John C. Dvorak (5:00)

So I've come to a conclusion that was a little different. And I think all this is. I think Trump is probably right. This is a mountain out of a molehill. When you look at all the photos and you see the layouts of the, of, of his private. What I consider. I'll tell you what my thesis is. He was running a private hotel.

Adam Curry (5:18)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (5:19)

That was a brothel. That was a whorehouse for high end customers that are billionaires, probably almost exclusively. But I'm sure there's a few hundred millionaires in there who can't in the real world get laid. Somebody like Reed Hoffman, who's worth, I think 2.5 billion.

Adam Curry (5:41)

Now, how did he get his money? Reid Hoffman.

John C. Dvorak (5:45)

LinkedIn.

Adam Curry (5:45)

Oh, he sold LinkedIn to Microsoft.

John C. Dvorak (5:47)

Microsoft, Right, right. He got his money from Microsoft.

Adam Curry (5:49)

Yeah. It's all in the family bill.

John C. Dvorak (5:51)

Yeah. And they. A billion dollars. If you have, if you have a billion dollars, that brings in $50 million a year at 5%, which is a lot of money. But you can't trust women because they're going to take it for your money. You can't trust a hooker.

Adam Curry (6:11)

Never trust a hooker? Nope, nope, nope.

John C. Dvorak (6:13)

Well, you could trust a hooker, but not if you're worth a billion dollars. It's just a problem. And so these. So Epstein has set up shop and if you look at the floor plans, you can see he has all kinds of rooms, different suites. There's about 30 rooms in his.

Adam Curry (6:30)

Well, I was listening to Wexner some of his testimony and he was saying, yeah, the place was a. Was a crap hole. It was no good.

John C. Dvorak (6:38)

It was like they were fixing it up. It was still being fixed up as they were taking. And worse was they had the pictures that would. When they go to St. John's island, that place was incomplete. There were still unfinished rooms. They were still working on that. There was cabanas. But it's designed for these high end guys.

Adam Curry (6:58)

But let me ask you a question. Do you think that as a brothel that it was used to, pardon the pun, curry favor, or do you think that there still was some blackmail at play?

John C. Dvorak (7:10)

No. What's the point? That's what I was thinking about. What's the point of blackmailing somebody? Let's say the fee is a million bucks to you join this little, you know, as an. You make an investment in one or you give Jeffrey some. Some consulting money. So that's the fee to be to go to this place. And you go to the place and they. And they have, they said they had a catalog with different girls. You pick one or two out and they're your companions. Yeah. And they, you know, wait a minute.

Adam Curry (7:40)

Where did you hear about this catalog?

John C. Dvorak (7:42)

The catalog came out about a couple weeks ago. They talked about it.

Adam Curry (7:45)

It was like pick and choose. Like point and click.

John C. Dvorak (7:47)

Yeah, yeah, like a pick and choose. It that was go. It was Glo over. But it was like a pick and choose thing. So you go to the place and he also had comedians staying there because you, you comp rooms. The guys, they're not going to get any action, but you know, you give them a room.

Adam Curry (8:01)

You want a fun guy to talk with at the bar.

John C. Dvorak (8:05)

Yeah, if you're going to go to the bar. And some of these places had kitchenettes. And meanwhile, if you look at the whole. All the pictures, you see they had a big laundry room just like a hotel does. They had a big central kitchen just like a hotel hotel does for room service. Hold on.

Adam Curry (8:20)

The slutologue. I like that. I'm writing down Slutolog. It's not a catalog, it's a Slutolog. Yes, okay.

John C. Dvorak (8:26)

It was just, it was, it looked just like a private hotel. And you don't blackmail people for that because you're already getting a million bucks, let's say a year for them to be a member of this place. And what are you going to blackmail them for? What are you going to blackmail Reid Hoffman for? Curry favors. The guy, what is he just floats around podcast. He doesn't do anything. I mean, there's no reason. And he's over at the place all the time because, you know, if you're kind of a fat billionaire with not much of a personality, this is perfect. And so. And that's all it was. And the CIA, if they were keeping tabs on anybody, it was just, just so they keep notes. And all this surveillance, which we have no evidence, you know, there's not showing us anything. The surveillance was for surveilling the girls. They didn't want the girls doing deals on the side. They didn't want the girls stealing from the guys.

Adam Curry (9:17)

Oh, I like that theory.

John C. Dvorak (9:18)

All that's what you would do at a high end place like this. You got girls catering to billionaires and you can't take a chance.

Adam Curry (9:27)

And then on the side you can say, hey, you know, I got some inside info from my boy over there, Mandelson, and you know, you can make a killing right now on the foreign exchange because they get about to bail out the Euro. So you could, you could pick up some tips along the way.

John C. Dvorak (9:44)

You probably did pick up some tips along the way, but that wasn't the main business. I figured he could do $50 million a year just maintaining that place. And that's all it was. And the fact that they're making it such a fuss, now that I think about it, what Trump has to say about it, cuz he knew what was going on. Cuz he was in New York real estate. Everybody knew what was going on.

Adam Curry (10:07)

So you're telling me that there were no children that were being eaten and no pizza with grape soda?

John C. Dvorak (10:14)

That's what I'm telling you.

Adam Curry (10:15)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (10:16)

And you should also note that 17 years old is the age of consent in York City or in New York State.

Adam Curry (10:22)

Oh, really? Well, that's an outrage.

John C. Dvorak (10:25)

Oh, outrage. And so they said, okay, so they had some 17 year olds in there. Now the rest of it was all speculation about the younger. I mean, I'm sure some, you know, people tried to horn in, but no, this was a. Professionally, this was a kind of A genius marketing, just going for a high class clientele. There's 200 billionaires in California alone.

Adam Curry (10:50)

Yeah, it's a pain in the butt, though, to have to travel to the east coast and go to that.

John C. Dvorak (10:54)

Well, I'm just saying California, funny. A lot of them are back east. They have places in New York. I mean, and they can travel in their private jets, you know, if they're going to have a good time.

Adam Curry (11:04)

You know what's really interesting is that because of this Epstein stuff, everything, everything that people certainly, people who are online and, you know, posting and reading and, you know, wrapped up in it, everything is through the lens of Epstein, like Supreme Court decision over tariffs of someone's got some kompromat on, you know, Epstein stuff. It's like everything, everything is amazing. That's the lens that people just see the stuff through right now. Except for New Mexico Representative on Andrea Romero, who is putting together a truth commission about Zorro Ranch.

News Reporter (11:45)

New Mexico's state House of Representatives is now creating a bipartisan committee to investigate the property that Jeffrey Epstein once owned in the state known as Zorro Ranch. They're investigating it for allegations of criminal activity. The committee plans to partner with the New Mexico Department of Justice for this deep dive into allegations of abuse and sexual assault possibly committed at Zorro Ranch. And joining us now to discuss is Democratic state representative Andrea Romero, one of the bill's sponsors. Representative, thanks for joining us. So no one opposed this measure, so the committee, the truth commission will be created. How does it feel to have this over the finish line?

Andrea Romero (12:23)

Well, it feels like we're just beginning, really. Truly. You know, we have been thinking about this for a while, trying to find the mechanisms in place to make sure that we can be apolitical and ready to do business. The reality for this commission is something that our community desperately needs and needs to know about. You know, this is information that we're all trying to put together nationwide and worldwide about what went on and how it went on. And for us in New Mexico, it is so critical that we get this story straight.

Adam Curry (12:55)

This is really interesting because there's not a lot known about Zorro Ranch other

John C. Dvorak (12:59)

than he's probably still setting it up. This was. This was your. This is. This, by the way. Hold on, wait. I'm just gonna say this is the west coast version. So these guys, like you just said, have to fly all the way to New York. No, they're gonna fly to New Mexico. Let me read this. The age of consent in new Mexico is 16.

Adam Curry (13:18)

Oh, man. You've Got. Do you have a cheat sheet? What's the age of consent?

John C. Dvorak (13:23)

I'm telling you, this whole thing was just a massive.

Adam Curry (13:26)

No, I'm not. I'm not arguing against that.

John C. Dvorak (13:28)

No. We could argue a little bit.

Adam Curry (13:30)

No, I don't feel like. I don't feel like arguing at all. No, I think I' of on board with it. You know, the thing is that people like, hey, you know, traffic children. America is the worst. You know, while this has been going on, probably 12 to 1300 actual sick pedophiles have been arrested. No one talks about it. There's all kinds of operations going on. Children have, actual children under the age of 16 have been freed from sex predator rings that involve local sheriffs and lawyers and dentists that gets. I don't know why I said dentist, but there was a dentist that gets zero coverage. It's the most bizarre thing.

John C. Dvorak (14:11)

And this, it's not bizarre because it doesn't involve Trump.

Adam Curry (14:15)

There you go. This whole Zorro Ranch, this truth commission appears to be based upon an email sent to a local DJ about eight years ago.

News Reporter (14:27)

There's an email in the Epstein files released by the Department of Justice that mentions Zorro Ranch. It's an unverified claim. The two women are buried there. Two women who died by strangulation. The sender of this email has been redacted by the doj. It was sent to a local radio host who told CNN he believes it came from someone who worked on the ranch. He passed the email onto the FBI when it was sent in 2019. Does your committee intend to push the Justice Department for more answers regarding that email?

Andrea Romero (15:00)

Yes. Yes, we do. And we will go to the fullest extent of the law to get those answers. The reality that we understand is that that email was sent and our then attorney general requested that the federal government investigate these claims that there was. There was a request to do that back in 2019, but unfortunately, those requests went unanswered by the federal government. You know, we feel very challenged that we have to be forced to do this ourselves in New Mexico. And those requests went unanswered. Then here we are seven years later, trying to pick up the pieces.

Adam Curry (15:38)

Now you catch the bit there. 2018, during Trump. So Trump had that hidden. That's the implication there.

John C. Dvorak (15:46)

Yep.

Adam Curry (15:48)

Now, of course, there's. Epstein was into all kinds of bio stuff and he was, you know, this is. That's why he was hanging out with Weinstein and all these people. He was always trolling for the next big thing. What can we invest in Get a great IPO out of it. And then there's the DNA replication scheme.

News Reporter (16:07)

There was an unusual report in the New York Times in 2019 that mentioned Zorro Ranch. Jeffrey Epstein, at one point, quote, hoped to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women at his vast New Mexico ranch.

Adam Curry (16:19)

That's what Elon Musk does. For real.

News Reporter (16:21)

The New York Times report says there's no evidence this plan ever came to any sort of fruition. But is this some sort of scientific scheme of Epstein's that you plan to investigate as well?

Andrea Romero (16:34)

Absolutely. These allegations are horrifying about what's so

Adam Curry (16:39)

horrifying about horrifying what went on.

Andrea Romero (16:42)

We have heard from victims that they may have woken up in very strange places.

Adam Curry (16:50)

Where are these victims? He's dead, so why can't they speak out?

Andrea Romero (16:53)

I find this really difficult process to understand. And that's so critically why we need to know what the truth was. Who were the folks in the room who knew what happened and why were these never investigated? Especially if victims came forward.

Adam Curry (17:10)

There it is. Why wasn't it investigated all during Trump?

Andrea Romero (17:14)

This is what's so critical about the public understanding how this happened. And certainly if folks came forward on a crime, why was this never investigated? So, yes, we are looking to these various records and again, every single day learn something horrifying about what went on or allegedly went on.

Adam Curry (17:32)

Yeah, except she has nothing horrifying to tell. Wait, oh, wait, wait. There's more.

News Reporter (17:36)

Are there other claims about Zorro Ranch and the Epstein files that you intend to look into further?

Andrea Romero (17:41)

Yes, absolutely. I mean, the claims are absolutely sprawling and certainly very concerning. We have allegations of everything from sex abuse and trafficking to harming children of very young ages. It's horrifying what we're learning, it seems, every single day. But we're committed to telling the truth and making sure that there is a record and if needed, it would be pursued in the court of law.

News Reporter (18:07)

Well, it wasn't investigated for a lot of reasons, but one of them is that the alleged perpetrators are very, very powerful, wealthy people. Are you ready for that?

Andrea Romero (18:15)

You know, this is. Well, fortunately, why we are a bipartisan commission. You know, we're not here to play politics about anything. We're really here to on a fact finding mission. Who was involved. And we understand, even in our state, that it was the highest echelons of people who are being named in these files. And so for us, it's about making sure that no stone is unturned. Whoever it is that we find that may have been a perpetrator in these crimes will be named. They will be named and they will. We will recognize what went on here. And so yes, it's. The stretch is very wide and potentially very deep, but we will make sure that the public knows what happened.

Adam Curry (19:00)

Yeah. Well, so far we've got some fun names like Pritzker from, from the Hyatt. And of course he's a. He's a. He must be related.

John C. Dvorak (19:08)

Billionaire.

Adam Curry (19:09)

Yeah, billionaire Pritzker. We got the, the douchebag Wasserman from la. We've got Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew is the guy who's probably getting screwed in all of this.

John C. Dvorak (19:21)

Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that of course he brought it on himself.

Adam Curry (19:26)

Well, yeah, he's also a dope.

John C. Dvorak (19:28)

He's a douche.

Adam Curry (19:29)

He's always been a dope and a douche. Yes, he always has been that. We all know that.

John C. Dvorak (19:36)

If you see a picture of him when he's really young, you can see why. He was actually a pretty good looking guy when he was young. When he married Fergie. If you see some of those early wedding pictures, he's one of those guys who relied on his looks.

Adam Curry (19:48)

Well, Fergie also looked really good back in the day.

John C. Dvorak (19:50)

Yeah. And she does the same thing.

Adam Curry (19:52)

Yes, exactly, exactly.

John C. Dvorak (19:54)

But yes, this is. And. And a couple of players in this. Based on my thesis. You want to look into Virginia Giuffre, I would advise reading her wiki page. She is a troubled person. The wiki page explains it quite well. And I, I was very skeptical when she came out. And by the way, the first interview she did, let's say she's a working girl or became one under Epstein. She charged $160,000 for that interview and got it.

Adam Curry (20:28)

She. For the book or for.

John C. Dvorak (20:30)

No, no. The first interview in 2011 when she broke this thing wide open. This thing was going on for years, this club, and she broke it open in 2011 by complaining and she didn't get a piece of the ic wanted more money. I don't know what, what the real basis was. We never know. But.

Adam Curry (20:50)

Well, the whole, the whole. What was what I found to be odd is that she was hit by a bus and then she wasn't and then she committed suicide. You know, her whole death is.

John C. Dvorak (21:06)

Everything is sketchy, questionable.

Adam Curry (21:08)

I mean, I love the Jake Tapper, how he puts it. He had another representative on. Listen to this.

News Reporter (21:14)

One of Epstein's most prominent victims, Virginia Giuffre, who's no longer with us, she left.

Adam Curry (21:20)

What does this mean no longer with us? It means she's not in the studio, she's not available for interviews. Why didn't she just say she committed suicide? It's just a small thing. Just a small irritation.

John C. Dvorak (21:33)

Who knows?

Adam Curry (21:34)

We don't know. What do you have on Prince Andrew?

John C. Dvorak (21:38)

Oh, this is the. This is a report that was. I think this is from BBC or npr.

Adam Curry (21:44)

No, I mean, what kind of dirt do you have on them? Don't you have evidence? I'm just kidding.

John C. Dvorak (21:48)

On Prince Andrew.

Adam Curry (21:49)

Just kidding. Just kidding.

John C. Dvorak (21:51)

Oh, I see what you're doing. Just kidding. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Slow on the uptick. I got this big bassy voice now.

Adam Curry (21:57)

Yes. Are you in a different network than you usually are? No, because it's also robocopying a little bit from time to time.

John C. Dvorak (22:05)

Oh, I can change networks.

Adam Curry (22:07)

Well, why don't you do it while I play the first clip?

John C. Dvorak (22:10)

You want me to change networks?

Adam Curry (22:11)

Yeah, but I'll. You change networks while I play the clip that you want me to play.

John C. Dvorak (22:18)

Hold on a second. I gotta make sure I can do this.

Adam Curry (22:20)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (22:21)

Because I haven't changed networks for so long that I don't want to.

Adam Curry (22:24)

Like we're doing it live, people doing it live. But you see, this is my whole point.

John C. Dvorak (22:30)

I think I can do it. I got. I gotta figure it out. Okay. Yeah. I got a bunch of stuff here that's worth playing. Since you don't want to hear any more of the thesis, I thought this

Adam Curry (22:41)

is part of the thesis. I got your thesis. I hear your thesis.

John C. Dvorak (22:44)

No, I think the. The. I think the only thing I had, in addition to the thesis, I got the Prince Andrew clips.

Adam Curry (22:51)

Do whatever you want.

John C. Dvorak (22:53)

I was going to say the last thing in the thesis is Elon Musk.

Adam Curry (22:56)

Oh, okay.

John C. Dvorak (22:57)

Who wanted to join the club? He knew about it and they wouldn't. It's exclusive club. You had to. They. You took one look at Elon Musk, who's already getting a bunch of sex from women he's paying $5 million to, supposedly.

Adam Curry (23:13)

So Epstein was a deal.

John C. Dvorak (23:17)

He would have been, but he's also. He. You take a look at Elon. Elon's got a big mouth. You don't need some guy who's going to be yakking about it just like on a casual podcast the next week. Yeah, I'm over at this. This actually a whorehouse. You know, who knows what would happen? They couldn't let him in. He rebuked him.

Adam Curry (23:38)

I like it. All right.

John C. Dvorak (23:40)

Okay. That's it. That's basically. Let's go to Prince Andrew. This is Scott Simon on npr.

Adam Curry (23:45)

Suffering succotan. Thank you. I'm Scott. Thank you, Simon. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, brother of King Charles, spent his 66th birthday in a police station this week. He was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office after revelations in the Jeffrey Epstein files that he'd shared confidential trade information with the convicted sex offender. The former prince was released after 11 hours. He has denied any wrongdoing. Jennie Bond has covered the royal family for decades and spent 14 years as the BBC's royal correspondent and joins us now from London. Jenny, thanks so much for being with us.

Jennie Bond (24:26)

My pleasure, My pleasure.

Adam Curry (24:27)

Just how damaging is this scandal?

Jennie Bond (24:32)

Well, it's a huge story over here. The papers have been dominated by it for days, even weeks. And this weekend it is page after page after page of analysis of what this means for the monarchy. Just how damaging is it? Clearly it is tarnishing the reputation of the monarchy, but the palace are, are very keen to separate monarchy from family. It's a difficult separation, but I think the view, the predominant view is that Charles has acted pretty decisively, maybe a bit too late, but pretty decisively in this. And the big news today, the main line is whether or not Andrew is now going to be removed from the line of succession because, incredibly, he is still eight in line to succession.

Adam Curry (25:22)

Yeah. This is something that always comes up whenever there's some kind of scandal in the uk. Oh, it's a threat to the monarchy. Threat to the monarchy. It's never a threat to the monarchy. What are you gonna. What are they gonna do? What are they gonna do to the monarchy? What are they gonna do?

John C. Dvorak (25:35)

Threaten it.

Adam Curry (25:36)

Kick them out. Kick them out of Buckingham Palace.

John C. Dvorak (25:38)

It's a threat.

Adam Curry (25:39)

Just a threat.

John C. Dvorak (25:41)

Shake your fist.

Adam Curry (25:42)

Yeah, exactly. That seems to be like the pastime for the Brits. Oh, threat to the monarchy. What will we do?

John C. Dvorak (25:50)

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much. Let's go to two.

Adam Curry (25:54)

Of course, King Charles said in a statement the law must take its course and has not intervened. But what about the argument that they've been aware of serious allegations against Andrew for years and have effectively protected him?

Jennie Bond (26:06)

Yes, this is the other big debate that's going on and I think now we are at a stage where we are demanding more transparency, more accountability. I think people do want to know exactly that. What did the royal family know about Andrew's going on well with Epstein as regards the sex abuse allegations, but also now the. Why he was arrested was because of alleged misconduct in public office when he was trade envoy. So we've got two strands going on here, at least two. And we've now got more than 11. I think it is police forces in this country circling Andrew, investigating different strands. And there is this overriding feeling that the palace have got to give up this whole idea of never complain, never explain, abandon the old myths, which goes back to the 1800s of the. You must not let daylight into the magic of monarchy. It's all nonsense now.

Adam Curry (27:06)

No, this is what it's always been. I watch the Crown, like, all they care about is what's in the paper. Hey, you got more ink than I did. Oh, no. That's all they care about. And I consider that to be true. I don't care. They are wretched, soulless people. It's a horrible gig. And they have colluded bloodlines, cousins and all kinds of stuff, but somehow they still own a lot. They own a lot of land.

John C. Dvorak (27:41)

They have massive holdings.

Adam Curry (27:44)

I think the British royal family is estimated 50 billion, which I think is an underestimation.

John C. Dvorak (27:50)

That's probably low.

Adam Curry (27:50)

That's what I think, too. They're not allowed to sell the land, but this is why they have leasehold in the uk. Oh, you can. You can build your house here, but you have to pay us rent for 99 years and then it renews. It's just like it's.

John C. Dvorak (28:08)

I think the effect doesn't. The Queen's dead, but didn't she own an island that's not even part of the uk?

Adam Curry (28:16)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (28:17)

That's a. I forgot. People out there know what I'm talking about.

Adam Curry (28:20)

Wouldn't surprise me.

John C. Dvorak (28:22)

Let's go to the last of this.

Adam Curry (28:24)

There is some feeling, as I probably don't have to tell you in the United States, that, well, there's some admiration for the British legal system.

Jennie Bond (28:32)

Admiration, yeah, I understand that.

Adam Curry (28:34)

But conversely, yes, because of the Whigs.

Jennie Bond (28:36)

See, I've been reading reports this morning.

John C. Dvorak (28:38)

Hold on a second. Stop. You have to listen to this one. This is unbelievable. This is the. We're talking. We've done two segments. Okay. Can we do something to kind of slam Trump? Is there any way we can work Trump into this?

Adam Curry (28:52)

Bring him in. Bring him in.

Jennie Bond (28:54)

Yeah, I understand that, but conversely, I've been reading reports this morning saying that if the Americans hadn't decided to release the Epstein files, then we wouldn't be where we are now. And so I suppose for that we should be grateful. But, yes, I think that legitimately, you could ask now whether the American authorities should go further with the people. Not least President Trump, who has been at least mentioned many times in the Epstein files. He says he's been exonerated. I know, and perhaps he has been, but I think the king has acted very decisively here. I mean, we were gobspell correspondents like myself who've lived through decades of scandals and crises from the deaths and divorces, the Fergie being found topless, having her toe sucked in the south of France, the castle catching fire, rows about whether the queen should pay tax. Taxes. All of that has been dreadful. Of course, the death of Diana as well. But I think we have been impressed by the way the king has taken this straight on and saying very clearly, in a sentence that stood out on its own, let me state clearly, the law must take its course.

Adam Curry (30:04)

Does he have to say that to preserve the monarchy?

Jennie Bond (30:07)

Well, I think he does, yes.

Adam Curry (30:11)

So a little rundown now. People who have had to resign or have, you know, gotten into trouble for emails with Epstein. Brad Karp, chairman of Paul and Weiss. He resigned. He's a lawyer, corporate law firm. And that was the first law firm to strike a deal offering pro bono work after Trump targeted attorneys representing his political foes. That's not exactly what it was, but okay. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (30:42)

It's a good narrative that they've created.

Adam Curry (30:46)

Then we have Kathy Rumler, top counsel, Goldman Sachs, White House counsel to former President Obama. Yes to Obama.

John C. Dvorak (30:55)

Left out. And if you read the newsletter, I had the hypocrite of the week.

Adam Curry (30:58)

Yeah. Oh, yeah, you forget all that.

John C. Dvorak (30:59)

CNN conveniently left that little tidbit out. Heaven forbid.

Adam Curry (31:03)

And she, in the emails was downplaying his sex crimes. Go figure. Year Casey Wasserman, I talked about him, the Hollywood agent, and I guess now they're calling for him to resign from the Los Angeles 28 Olympic Committee.

John C. Dvorak (31:18)

Yeah, that's a good one.

Adam Curry (31:21)

Everyone should resign from the Olympic Committee. I don't think any of them are any good. Peter, Peter, Peter. They're always.

John C. Dvorak (31:27)

Yeah, you're right.

Adam Curry (31:28)

Those people are always really sketchy in every country. Even if it's just the local Iococc, Peter Attia. Who was he? He was. Wasn't he with cbs?

John C. Dvorak (31:43)

I don't remember.

Adam Curry (31:43)

Well, he's. Yeah, I think he's a contributor to cbs. Steve Tisch, chairman, co owner of the Giants. Howard Lutnick, everyone wants him to resign. Of course. He's Trump's guy. Mandelson, obviously. Morgan McSweeney, that's the advisor to Starmer. I said, hey, you can appoint that guy. It's Not a problem. Norway's former Prime Minister, Thorbjorn Jagland, Jack Lang, French politician, and then my favorite Sultan, Ahmet bin Sulaiman. And he enjoyed the torture video.

John C. Dvorak (32:20)

Yeah, he's the one who enjoyed the torture video.

Adam Curry (32:22)

How can we. What torture video was this?

John C. Dvorak (32:26)

You think that they'd get release at least?

Adam Curry (32:28)

Release?

John C. Dvorak (32:28)

That sounds salacious.

Adam Curry (32:30)

Yes, that sounds good. So. But what has happened here? And we were watching last night, we watched a.

John C. Dvorak (32:37)

And by the way, I can explain that with my whorehouse theory too.

Adam Curry (32:41)

Okay?

John C. Dvorak (32:43)

There are some women out there, it doesn't take a genius to track them down, who are complete unbelievable masochists and who would probably agree for a fat fee to be tortured and like it. Oh, man. Sorry.

Adam Curry (33:02)

Wht the whorehouse theory. We're going to leave it in what this has done though, globally, because I read the Dutch papers, people send me German articles which I can kind of get through and there is complete distrust, lack in all government. And Tina and I were watching yesterday, we just came across it on Netflix. Breakdown 1975, which is good. Yeah, it's very good.

John C. Dvorak (33:30)

Something I can watch. I've been watching Australian murder mysteries. It's how bad it's gotten.

Adam Curry (33:39)

So breakdown 1975 is. It's really. It's a fractal is what it is. You'll love it because they look at the year 1975 from a popular culture point of view. So movies and television primarily. And when you look at that time, it was so similar. We had scandals, we had Watergate, New York was a shithole. Rats were everywhere. This is where movies come out like Taxi Driver, Death Wish, Charles, Jungle, Black, Yellow, all of this stuff. And it's very analogous to now with the exception that it's probably not quite as bad today as it was then. And what came out of this yet. Yet. Yeah. Well. And so maybe we're a little bit late because by 1976 things started to change and before you knew it, we had yuppies and we, you know, Jane Fonda was doing workout videos. But it's worth watching. It's narrated by Jody Foster, who was in Taxi Driver as I think a 13 year old.

John C. Dvorak (34:47)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (34:49)

And they pinpointed it. This was interesting. They pinpointed. So they had Jaws. Jaws was a big change where they shifted from the bad guy winning to the good guy winning and blowing up the shark. And then as they claim in this documentary, kind of, yes, there was a series.

John C. Dvorak (35:06)

There was a period of time in the movies especially where the anti hero was. The key was the Winner epitomized by Steve McQueen in a number of films.

Adam Curry (35:15)

And what was the other one with the bank heist?

John C. Dvorak (35:21)

Yeah, that was the Steve McQueen.

Adam Curry (35:22)

No, no, no, no, no. That wasn't Dog Day Afternoon. Was that it? No, I'm trying to think.

John C. Dvorak (35:26)

What. Oh, Dog Day Afternoon was really a sickening film.

Adam Curry (35:30)

That was the bank heist, wasn't it?

John C. Dvorak (35:31)

No, I don't know. That was the one. Dog Day Afternoon. Wasn't that where they surrounded. It was like, not as bad as the one where they surround the precinct, but it was something like that. With just a bunch of creeps.

Adam Curry (35:41)

Well, all of that, whatever. Everything was corrupt. Everything was rotten. People had no trust. People actually were really starving, starving, starving in our big cities. Protests. Everyone hated the cops. Everyone hated the politicians. And then all of a sudden, we got Rocky. And then everything changed. Like, oh, all right. You know, we got this, this, this. This guy, and he makes it up all the way to the top, and he's running, he's doing his stuff. And. And then things started to change. So I'm just waiting for the pivotal movie.

John C. Dvorak (36:14)

Yeah, but the difference is. There's a major difference here.

Andrea Romero (36:17)

Here.

John C. Dvorak (36:18)

One is that we had an economic downturn that started in 1969 and went throughout, through the 70s, very similar to unparalleled. Almost completely parallel to the 30s, where you had the bottom of the thing bottomed out in 33, as it did in 73. And then you had a kind of a renaissance two years later in 35. And the movies in 30 in the 30s and 70s are similar in their creativity. But it was all based on the fact that the economic downturn, which is controlling things there at the point we're at right now, we don't have that. So the parallels are not that consistent. I think it could happen, but it won't happen for a couple years.

Adam Curry (36:59)

Oh, well, that should keep us in business for a while then.

John C. Dvorak (37:03)

I think so.

Adam Curry (37:05)

So this led me to. Someone sent me a video. And the video is just kind of a narration. I'll play it just for explanation sake. Unless you want to talk more about Epstein or something. Are we kind of.

John C. Dvorak (37:18)

No, I'm done. I got my thesis out there. Now I can hang things off it for the next show.

Adam Curry (37:23)

It's the whorehouse thesis. We'll take it. Universe 25 experiment. Ever heard of this?

John C. Dvorak (37:29)

No.

Adam Curry (37:30)

So, also known as the mouse paradise experiment. Here's.

John C. Dvorak (37:35)

Oh, this is where they had the. All the mice then. And they all ended up just preening. And they ended up having sex. And the Whole colony died out. Yes, I'm familiar with it, yes.

Adam Curry (37:45)

This is why I.

John C. Dvorak (37:47)

By the way, about whether this really was a. I, I have never seen any. I haven't seen the documentation for this. I have experiment.

Adam Curry (37:54)

I have, I have John B. Calhoun. Unless it's falsified somehow.

John C. Dvorak (38:00)

I think it could be. I mean, it's too convenient.

Adam Curry (38:04)

Well, let's listen to it and, and let's just take it as real and discuss it because obviously it has a lot of. Of relevance to today. This is why everyone is single and men stopped trying.

John C. Dvorak (38:17)

This is the mouse paradise.

Adam Curry (38:18)

A scientific experiment from the 1960s. They made the perfect world for mice with unlimited food, safety and no predators. In the beginning, they placed four females

John C. Dvorak (38:28)

and four males and let them multiply.

Adam Curry (38:29)

The population exploded.

John C. Dvorak (38:31)

Hundreds, then thousands.

Adam Curry (38:32)

Then something strange happened.

John C. Dvorak (38:34)

They stopped mating and within four years they were extinct. But why? According to scientists, the reason was social interaction overload. Just like humans on social media today, they were in 24, 7 interaction with thousands of others.

Adam Curry (38:50)

Too much stimulation, too much competition for social status.

John C. Dvorak (38:53)

And this led them to lose the

Adam Curry (38:55)

ability to form bonds to mate and raise their young. Many males became so called the beautiful ones.

John C. Dvorak (39:01)

They lost interest in females.

Adam Curry (39:03)

They lost. They just groomed themselves all day and

John C. Dvorak (39:06)

withdrew completely because they could not compete in this chaos anymore.

Adam Curry (39:10)

And the females followed by losing interesting males.

John C. Dvorak (39:13)

So no mating and they all just died without having babies.

Adam Curry (39:17)

Since 2010 in smartphones, humans are living

John C. Dvorak (39:19)

the same social interaction overload.

Adam Curry (39:21)

24. 7 Status, Competition, Income and lifestyle comparison with thousands of others.

John C. Dvorak (39:27)

Physical looks to impossible standards.

Adam Curry (39:29)

And many young people just choose to withdraw. For the first time in history, young people are having less sex than their parents. 30% of men under 30 had no

John C. Dvorak (39:39)

sex for a year. Loneliness epidemic hits us harder than any virus could.

Adam Curry (39:44)

Yeah, that's worse than I thought it would sound to be honest about it. So I do have a link from Scientific America, so I would.

John C. Dvorak (39:54)

Yeah, I'd like to see that. It does bring me to the phone clips I have here.

Adam Curry (39:57)

Well, can I explain it first? You just want to hijack?

John C. Dvorak (40:00)

No, no. Just telling you in advance so you don't start jumping to another topic. That was a trick.

Adam Curry (40:06)

You should.

John C. Dvorak (40:07)

Sorry that you revealed my. You. You blew it.

Adam Curry (40:11)

John B. This is from PubMed. John B. Calhoun Population Density and Social Social Pathology so it is real. Now, of course I haven't looked completely deep into that paper if it's exactly the same, but I'm just going to take it at face value. So the idea is they had enough.

John C. Dvorak (40:32)

I mean I like the idea, let's put it that way. But it's a little too convenient for my taste.

Adam Curry (40:38)

So they had enough food and space for 3,000 mice. They throw a couple in there, they start mating. They get up to about 2,000, but it's relatively limited space, like New York City. And then suddenly they stop having sex. They're not reproducing. There's a whole class of male mice who. The beautiful ones, they're grooming, they look great, but they won't have sex with anybody. And the conclusion from Calhoun is that it's a social interaction overload. And the comparison that's being made is that we as humans. And this is where I actually question, okay, mice may have similar organs. You can test vaccines on them. But I don't know if we can compare our brain. Brains that humans are in a moment of social interactive overload and thus we become more interested in not actually reproducing, but looking great on Instagram and preeming. And I think about that, I'm like, yeah, that is exactly what is happening. Because there's too much interaction with. Not just on social media, but in general. You're texting, you've got alerts, you've got this going on, you got that going on.

Andrea Romero (41:57)

On.

Adam Curry (41:57)

I think there's something to it.

John C. Dvorak (42:00)

Well, yeah, the problem is it's too convenient.

Adam Curry (42:02)

Too convenient for what?

John C. Dvorak (42:04)

It matches up too well. Social interaction. Coincidentally, we have the same thing going on with the media or social media, because. But you've been harping on this and you're susceptible. You're. This is almost like bias confirmation with you because you've always had this thesis for the last 20 years about over socialization under something or other.

Adam Curry (42:27)

Yeah. So I am, in fact. In fact, Calhoun stole this from me.

John C. Dvorak (42:32)

Yeah, that's what it almost sounds like. I saw this too, and I didn't clip it. I'm glad you did. But it was like, it's going around.

Adam Curry (42:42)

I'm not the only one who saw it. It's going around.

John C. Dvorak (42:43)

Oh, yeah. No, it's going around. It was on Twitter.

Adam Curry (42:46)

Okay, okay.

John C. Dvorak (42:47)

Or xx.

Keith Olbermann (42:49)

So.

John C. Dvorak (42:50)

But. But that. Talking about that brings me to the cell phone conversations, which are. Which is going on. Which is. The cell phone's the real problem.

Adam Curry (43:00)

Before we go on, I think we need to call it something else. It's not a phone. Who uses these to call someone?

John C. Dvorak (43:09)

Very few people nowadays.

Adam Curry (43:11)

I mean, we need to call it.

John C. Dvorak (43:12)

They're just on it, scrolling, and they're holding it as a. It's. And they're also holding it all the time when you pointed again, I'd give you credit for this one because I didn't catch it right away, but you. Because I keep my phone in a drawer, but you notice that. And I notice it now. And now I see and it's actually gotten worse where people walk around the street holding the phone like it's like some pet or something. They have to have the phone in their hand. Yeah, well, while walking down the street, I have to.

Adam Curry (43:45)

It's like a controlling slab or a

John C. Dvorak (43:49)

controlling slab security slab.

Adam Curry (43:52)

I mean, this.

John C. Dvorak (43:53)

You're on. You're getting there. Yeah, I like the slab thing.

Adam Curry (43:57)

I like Freedom Controller. I've used that for different things throughout the, you know, 30 years. So maybe that's not.

John C. Dvorak (44:02)

But no, no, it's no good.

Adam Curry (44:04)

A controller slab. That's really, truly what it is. I had an interesting. The. Something interesting happened. You know, I was in Nashville all last week. Friday morning, I get up and I had that. That funky flip phone from. I had. You'll find out why. From Samsung, the Galaxy Z flip. So.

John C. Dvorak (44:23)

Yeah, yeah, that one.

Adam Curry (44:25)

So. So I broke. I broke the previous one.

John C. Dvorak (44:27)

One.

Adam Curry (44:29)

Okay. And that was my own fault because these things are just so fragile and so got a new one. And I wake up and I go to unplug the phone and it's hot. Like, oh, why is this hot? And I see the battery going like 95, 90 89. It's going down pretty quick. So I plug it in, you know, it's. It kind of hovers between 85 and 87. It's going up and down. I don't know what's going on with this. So we had meetings, had to get to the airport. And so here's your modern life. This is the way I had planned. It is. Oh, I'll just get an Uber from the hotel to the airport. Nashville is like 15 minutes then. So I have 35% by and it's 1 o'.

John C. Dvorak (45:08)

Clock.

Adam Curry (45:08)

I haven't used the phone at all to get the Uber. Get in the Uber. I see it going down, going down. Now, luckily, I was still able to retrieve my reservation number. So I get my paper ticket because I don't do any tickets on the phone phone. I go through TSA and this thing dies. And I'm thinking, like, I can't tell Tina that I'm on my way. I can't tell the person who's going to pick me up at the airport.

Keith Olbermann (45:32)

And.

Adam Curry (45:33)

And I go. I can plug it in on the plane. That'll Be good. And I'll probably get some juice out of it. Of course, I have the only Southwest 737 that has no, no, no power, no USB, nothing. And like, this thing has way too much importance in my life. And I'm not talking about. About X or anything like that. Just for some simple things in travel. Yep. It's a controller controlling slab.

John C. Dvorak (45:59)

Then Controller slab maybe might sound better.

Adam Curry (46:02)

Controller slab. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (46:04)

Or control. I don't. Because control. Yeah.

Adam Curry (46:06)

But wait, before you get.

John C. Dvorak (46:08)

You got the right word.

Adam Curry (46:10)

Yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (46:11)

It's got to be.

Adam Curry (46:11)

I'm getting there. I'm getting. It has nothing to do with the phone. Calling it a phone is weak and pathetic. And here was the next thought I had because of the constant holding it in your hand. I got. I gotta have it with me. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (46:23)

Oh, God.

Adam Curry (46:24)

Oh. In case I didn't take a picture now with the AI chat bots. And I should mention, this thing is fried. You know, some. Something got short circuit. It's completely fried. It'll never come back to life. And I went back to my graphene OS and I'm fine with that on my Pixel 6. Say I'm done with it. But I. But in the course of trying to troubleshoot this thing, you know, I'm going through. I'm on Gemini. I'm like, okay, I'm at a certain point, I have a USB cable hooked up. I am, I am sshing into the phone because there's basic unix, a UNIX kernel in the underneath. I'm doing H top. I'm looking at what, what, what is eating the processors. I'm looking at all the apps and all of a sudden it's like, hi, I'm Bixby. How can I help you today? Bixby? Who are you? Samsung has just installed Bixby the robot on the phone. And you look at all this stuff Meta. I've never had a meta app on this phone. It has something in there. It's trolling, it's doing all kinds of stuff. This is a horrible thing. They pack it filled with all kinds of junk and spyware and so called helpful things. Things you just want to swipe a window away. Oh, here's an. Here's Google AI. Oh, would you like to change this picture? Hi, I'm Gemini. Would you like me to help you compose the next email?

John C. Dvorak (47:52)

No, no, stop going.

Adam Curry (47:55)

And here's, here's the thinking I had. This robot stuff is a distraction. Let's presume for a second. AI is really intelligent. We know it's not, but to Me, The AI has a huge advantage. It already has humanoid movement. It tells people what to do. We are the robots. The way people are going talking to these chat bots and the brain is in the phone and you are the robot. It's going to tell you what it already tells us how to drive. Already tells us everything else. How to dress. Oh, it's to going cold. We're being assimilated. And I think.

John C. Dvorak (48:36)

Not me.

Adam Curry (48:37)

No, not you. I know. I'm just catching myself. Oh, no. This, this has got to stop.

John C. Dvorak (48:44)

It's got to stop. It's not stop.

Adam Curry (48:47)

Exactly the reverse.

John C. Dvorak (48:48)

If you had and if you and you and you. All these worries of yours because you couldn't call the Uber because the phone was dead. If you were one of the kids

Adam Curry (48:56)

today, I'd be dead.

John C. Dvorak (48:59)

No, you'd be fine. You'll figure it out when you play these cell phone clips. Why you'd be fine.

Adam Curry (49:07)

All right, let me see. Where are these cell phone clips? Are they labeled cell phone clips?

John C. Dvorak (49:11)

Yeah, they're labeled cell.

Adam Curry (49:13)

All right, Cell phones in school number one. Is this npr?

John C. Dvorak (49:17)

Yes, it is.

Andrea Romero (49:18)

Are halfway through the school year for millions of students.

Adam Curry (49:22)

That means they should be heading to

John C. Dvorak (49:24)

class without their cell phones.

Andrea Romero (49:25)

More than 30 states have now entered enacted some kind of ban, and that includes Kentucky. NPR's Sequoia Carrillo checked in with educators

Jennie Bond (49:34)

and students in Louisville, which has one

Adam Curry (49:36)

of the strictest policies in the state. They told her the ban is not quite working out the way it was supposed to.

John C. Dvorak (49:42)

Good morning.

Andrea Romero (49:44)

Holly Smith is in her second year as executive principal at the Academy at Shawnee. She says she can already see a big difference from a semester without seeing. We didn't even know the majority of the kids were learning because they weren't responding. They were just doing things on their phones. But now there's discourse. They're like, okay, I actually feel like I'm connecting now. Jefferson County's policy is strict. Each student has a yonder pouch, a locked bag for them to carry their phones throughout the day. They have to put them in the bags when they walk in the school

John C. Dvorak (50:11)

in the morning and can unlock them

Andrea Romero (50:13)

as they exit the school at the end of the day. It's a well laid plan, one that many schools around the country have adopted and researchers have touted as the best approach to the issue of cell phones in schools. But the real question is, is it working? I asked Smith what the students think. I mean, I think they absolutely hated their phone. Is their lives. It's their world. Jaden o' Neill, a senior here, couldn't agree more. I think all the students hate it. I think they're gonna rebel more. She's one of three students who agreed to talk to us in the school's library right before their lunch period.

Adam Curry (50:46)

I just want to make a note of the term yonder pouch. I think this would be an excellent premium. I don't know what it is, but I like how it sounds. A yonder.

John C. Dvorak (50:57)

Well, you should talk to the no Agenda shop. Maybe they can make them a yonder.

Adam Curry (51:01)

Is that just a little bag you put your phone into?

John C. Dvorak (51:03)

I think it's a bag, yeah. I think probably may have some mesh in there. I would hope so.

Adam Curry (51:08)

I'm going to just presume that, of course the kids are happy. It's great. I feel better in class, whereas, you know, they're in a controlled environment. They can't last for three seconds outside of the school without their controller. Slab.

John C. Dvorak (51:25)

I think you may be wrong.

Andrea Romero (51:27)

Take me back to August. Like, right when you come back to school, what is it like having to lock up your phone in August? It was like you'd walk in the doors and they'd tell you to find the pouch that had your name on it, and then they watched you lock it up. And it was like most kids either brought a spare phone or they said they didn't have a phone, or they broke the pouches, they cut them open. People brought a spare phone. They just had an extra phone. They had multiple extra phones. We also talked to senior Quane Lanier. They have multiple extra phones for their friends. I asked junior Joseph Jolly whether students are abiding by the ban.

John C. Dvorak (52:03)

I would say that the risks from being caught are definitely more enforced. So people often, they're really worried about that, but I would otherwise say they mostly just put them in their pockets and they call it a day.

Andrea Romero (52:15)

There is rules like, if you have your phone, I will take it, but it's not enough for people to care. I know one day they're not going to say anything, so I'm just going to keep doing it regardless. As we talked, students were moving through the halls between classes. Most kids were chatting, but a few still had headphones on and one had a phone out taking a selfie video. Jolly said we wouldn't necessarily see the same thing inside the classroom.

John C. Dvorak (52:41)

People know they're going to get in trouble if they keep it out. They've started to actually focus on work,

Andrea Romero (52:45)

and I think we've become more productive because of that. I think they just find alternative things to do or they just talk more to their friends.

Adam Curry (52:55)

Okay, so kind of at the end there.

John C. Dvorak (52:58)

So you have the. That's what you. You see, the kids are smart. They have multiple phones. They're dragging. They're like Wall street brokers. They have three phones. Drug dealers brought you out phone. You would have been fine.

Adam Curry (53:13)

Oh, I forgot to mention. I forgot to mention. So when you. One of the instructions the brilliant Gemini AI gave me was to clear out the Google Play framework data. Clear cache, clear data. Then immediately my phone went, I can't log into anything. There's nothing we can do. But you can log into Google, I guess for. I don't even know what it was. But nothing was working. Say, okay, I'll log into Google. And I have my username, I have my password. And it says. You don't have any pass keys. No, I've never set that up. Well, it's okay. Just grab your other phone and tap on the icon that matches the one I'm showing you now. I have one. Phone.

Keith Olbermann (54:06)

Phone.

John C. Dvorak (54:08)

Loser.

Adam Curry (54:11)

You have to have your secondary device with you. What is that all about? That's insane.

John C. Dvorak (54:17)

Even the kids know better.

Adam Curry (54:22)

It's. Yes, it's. It's very bad. Is. In fact, there was a. Yeah, well, let's. Let's do that.

John C. Dvorak (54:31)

How.

Adam Curry (54:31)

How about the lawsuit? The. The meta lawsuit that people are saying they got addicted to Instagram. You've heard about this, I think. It's in Arizona, I believe is where it's actually.

John C. Dvorak (54:48)

I have not heard of it, but it doesn't surprise me.

Adam Curry (54:51)

Well, luckily enough, our girl Kara Swisher, who you personally gave media training to, joined up with Anderson Poop Cooper to talk about this. But go ahead, Kara.

John C. Dvorak (55:02)

It's breaking news.

News Reporter (55:03)

Mark Zuckerberg, the powerful CEO of Medic.

Adam Curry (55:05)

It's breaking news.

News Reporter (55:06)

Testified in a landmark trial in Los Angeles today where social media companies are accused of intentionally addicting children to their platforms. Now, Meta Owned owns Instagram, which is a defendant in the suit. This is the first time that Zuckerberg has testified in front of a jury on claims that social media harms children's mental health. He still testifying as a witness, not a defendant, in this case, which was brought by a woman who claims the companies designed their products to addict her when she was a child, damaging her mental health. Hundreds of more cases like this have been filed. Kara Swisher joins me now, host of the podcast on with Kara Swisher and Pivot. How big a moment does this feel like to you? Obviously, it's a landmark case. We've seen Zuckerberg testifying. Their court courtroom is a different arena.

Andrea Romero (55:53)

Yeah, I think it's just yet another appearance and doing the same thing where they've done nothing over the many years and then they have these, these testimonies of parents that feel like their kids have gotten hurt or their safety issues or addiction issues, and they sort of sail by them. I mean, this is obviously a court case, but it's sort of more of the same. I've been hearing this from Zuckerberg since I met him, essentially is that everybody wants to use the, these apps because they're so fantastic and not that there might be problems using them.

Adam Curry (56:21)

So Kara Swisher and Professor Scott Galloway. How's that boycott going? SCOTT Galloway. They're always talking about age gating. We've got an age gate. We can age gate for alcohol, for cigarettes. We should be age gating for these apps. Turns out even Kara knows that age gating doesn't work because kids are smart.

News Reporter (56:41)

And the plaintiff in this case began using Instagram @9. There was some heated testimony about Instagram's age verification rules, keeping kids under the age of 13 off it. Is there any reason to think that that is a sufficient safeguard?

Andrea Romero (56:54)

No, not at all. They took, for, they took years and years, I think just till 2019 to really have age aversion of age gating. And it's a very light one in place. You know, I was surprised to see, what is it, 4 million 10 to 12 year olds on the platform when nobody under 13 is supposed to be on it.

Adam Curry (57:11)

And so I love that everyone's so upset about evidence. We have not yet been able to prod about Epstein yet. There's 4 million kids being abused on a daily basis by, by social media.

Andrea Romero (57:24)

Obviously they're not doing a great job of keeping people off. And, you know, a lot of the emails talk about the idea of, of, of employees who wanted more guardrails and them not being put in place because of the leadership. You know, they have all kinds of arguments why not? And by the way, they're not the only one like YouTube is, is right now on trial here. And others, there's many others. And this is a question of whether these are addictive experiences and products or are they just so great that we can't stop using them. Seems like the same thing to me. But, you know, they're trying to call it problematic usage versus addiction. And that's what they'll try to do. They'll try to blame the victim for, for her own problems. And that didn't happen because of them. But certainly all of us know social media is a problem, whether it's on partisanship or making us hate each other, making us feel bad, or making girls have less self esteem or boys be more isolated. I think anyone who's a parent knows this and anyone who's a person knows this. Using these, using these apps can be really problematic.

Adam Curry (58:32)

Problematic. So the problem here is the parents. Parents who are setting this example themselves. And here is in fact, yeah, they

John C. Dvorak (58:40)

got the phone at the dining room table. They're on it all the time, and they're walking around with it in their hands 24 7.

Adam Curry (58:47)

I know we sound like boomers, but we're just identifying the problem.

John C. Dvorak (58:50)

When I was a kid, we didn't have such a thing. And then they have it in the bedroom, sitting there, and they use it as an alarm clock. Oh my God. I think you do too. No offense.

Adam Curry (59:01)

Now listen to Anderson Pooper as he discusses his social media issues.

News Reporter (59:05)

Well, even for adults, I mean, I, you know, I mean, I'm on Instagram and I find myself, you know, occasionally getting sucked in and, you know, just scrolling and feeling terrible about my life because everyone seems to be. Yeah, having a much.

Adam Curry (59:17)

Anderson Pooper.

Keith Olbermann (59:19)

Wow.

Adam Curry (59:19)

An actual.

John C. Dvorak (59:20)

This. That is. Okay. I'm g. By the way, before we finish, that's clip of the day that because you, you asked early. That became a callback. Excellent work. Excellent work.

Adam Curry (59:31)

Thank you. I said it. Thank you. I worked on that. I like, I, I better not screw this up because John will already. You'll give it the punchline away. This is, this is pathetic. This is really, really pathetic. Let's just listen to that one more time. So pathetic.

John C. Dvorak (59:46)

Anderson Cooper. I'm so jealous of the girl in the bikini. Look how, how good she looks. Did you see the video that's floating around of the woman who has a fish filter? She's like, she's filter. She got a filter and the filter was failing. It went back and forth and back and forth real fast. Showing her real face.

Adam Curry (60:01)

No, I haven't seen.

John C. Dvorak (60:02)

Oh, my God. Just some ugly duckling.

News Reporter (60:05)

Well, even for adults, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm on Instagram and I find myself, you know, occasionally getting sucked in and, you know, just scrolling and feeling terrible about my life because everyone seems to be.

Andrea Romero (60:15)

Yeah.

News Reporter (60:16)

Having a much more exciting life and they're.

Adam Curry (60:18)

How is this possible? He is a Vanderbilt. He's a Vanderbilt.

John C. Dvorak (60:22)

Filth.

Adam Curry (60:25)

He must have money outside of cnn. And how can his life be worse? Clearly it's not.

John C. Dvorak (60:34)

No, clearly it's not. He's an A gay. Buffaloed.

Adam Curry (60:38)

He's an A gay. He's on television.

John C. Dvorak (60:41)

Yeah, an A gay. He's not a B gay. He's an A gay.

Adam Curry (60:43)

No, he's an A plus gay. For sure. He looks good for his age. Everything's rocking and rolling. He has stature. Well, I guess he's leaving CBS, but, you know, doing 60 Minutes. Do you know he was also 60 Minutes? He was a 60.

John C. Dvorak (60:57)

Oh, he's. That's right. He's on 60 Minutes too.

Adam Curry (60:59)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (60:59)

Special correspondence even there.

Adam Curry (61:01)

What a. Yeah, I read that somewhere. What a life. What a life. And yet. And yet he is now trying to understand and having an adult conversation with a semi adult Kara Swisher, who don't know what she is to say. It happens to me, too. Well, hello.

News Reporter (61:19)

The gamification aspect of getting the little dopamine hits of likes and followers and things like that.

Adam Curry (61:28)

And apparently Anderson Cooper is worried about getting likes and followers. What. What is. What in the world's going on here?

Andrea Romero (61:38)

Well, it's designed, as I said earlier today, like a casino of attention. It's not the same thing as watching a movie. Movie.

Adam Curry (61:44)

It's not this.

Andrea Romero (61:44)

They do make those arguments. It's not. They call it entertainment now, but it's not entertainment. It's something else. And I'm not sure what to call it, but it does feel like a casino. You can't look away from the light. You can't stop pressing the button. You can't stop going to the next red button. And I. You know, it can make you feel bad, especially if your feeds are bad. It can make you feel isolated and all kinds of things. And I think everybody knows this. And that's going to be the problem here for Facebook is the jury probably has addiction problems of their own. Even if Facebook doesn't want to call it addiction. Facebook executives. But everybody understands the relationship with the phone has gotten toxic, especially for young people.

Adam Curry (62:23)

She makes a good point. The jury's gonna be hooked, too. We're doomed. Society's doomed.

John C. Dvorak (62:31)

I'm telling you. I've said it before. Since 2007 when that phone came out. Satan's tool.

Keith Olbermann (62:37)

All we need.

John C. Dvorak (62:38)

And I'm not the religious one.

Adam Curry (62:40)

Here it is. It is the attack vector. The controller slab is the attack vector of life.

John C. Dvorak (62:46)

If anybody doesn't see the symbolism of having an apple on the back with a bite taken out of it, then you're missing the point.

Adam Curry (62:56)

The serpent has struck. Yes. All we need. I got a great idea. Have the phone talk back to you and have a conversation. What else could go wrong? It couldn't be any worse than it is. Couldn't be any worse than. By the way, I ah. I nailed. I nailed myself. I. I got the.

John C. Dvorak (63:16)

The pro. Now I'm gonna. You're gonna have to be. I have to be careful now because every time you've done that. You ever see when you're trying to do addition and somebody just throws numbers out into the air and you. Those numbers go into the. Your calculation. I have to now be very careful not saying it.

Adam Curry (63:33)

Oh no, neither of us have said it yet. I. I'm just angry at myself that. Don't worry about it. I won't mention anymore.

John C. Dvorak (63:39)

I'm not worrying about it. I know a lot of our. Of our producers bitch and moan that we worry about it.

Adam Curry (63:46)

So I have. I got in through the mail. Actually you sent it FedEx. I have here. This thing is huge. A Geo Force RTX with a dark power 13 block attached to it. That is.

John C. Dvorak (64:01)

What is this?

Adam Curry (64:02)

This an invite. Nvidia gpu. Gpu?

John C. Dvorak (64:05)

Oh the gpu. Yeah.

Adam Curry (64:06)

Yeah. Wow. That thing is huge. No one at least like three grand or something.

John C. Dvorak (64:10)

Not six?

Adam Curry (64:12)

No, not this one. I don't know if it's this one but our producer sent it to me. I mean he's. Who knows where what. What business he's in. Like I got one laying in the closet. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (64:21)

Got a tracker on it probably.

Adam Curry (64:24)

I hope so.

John C. Dvorak (64:24)

Said everything you do to it's going to go to China.

Adam Curry (64:27)

He's already loaded it up with all the AI models. A little Raspberry PI attached it. The whole thing is phenomenal. Very, very excited about it.

John C. Dvorak (64:35)

Now this. There goes the show.

Adam Curry (64:36)

What do you mean there goes the show? I'm going to be creating the best

John C. Dvorak (64:40)

around with that device.

Adam Curry (64:42)

The best ISOs ever.

John C. Dvorak (64:44)

Some more.

Adam Curry (64:45)

The best ISOs ever.

John C. Dvorak (64:48)

Well that. That could be.

Adam Curry (64:50)

The other big news in AI world which we have obviously been predicting is you know the C C Dance. The Sea Dance where they recreated a fight scene between Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. And the movie industry is outrage, I tell you.

News Reporter (65:11)

Have you seen this epic new Brad Pitt Tom Cruise movie? You haven't? Well, actually no one has because it's not real. But take a look at this AI generated clip. It's created using a platform called sea Dance to 2.0. It's an AI tool from Chinese owned company ByteDance. It went viral last week sparking a fiery debate between Hollywood and the multibillion dollar tech industry that is Not Tom Cruise, and that is not Brad Pitt. But it sure looks like both of them. Let's talk about this with Sean Astin. He's the president of the entertainment union, SAG aftra. You might remember him, of course, from so many movies. The Goonies, Lord of the Rings, the Goonies. Your union released a statement Friday condemning the clip and ByteDance saying, quote, SAG AFTRA stands with the studios and condemning the blatant infringement enabled by ByteDance's new video model, Sea Dance 2.0. The infringement includes the unauthorized use of our members voices and likenesses. This is unacceptable.

John C. Dvorak (66:09)

Stop for a second.

News Reporter (66:10)

Undercut.

Adam Curry (66:11)

Sure.

John C. Dvorak (66:12)

Did bytedance pay for this? Because they keep mentioning the Product and the 2.0 and they keep dropping everything. All the details in it seems a little suspect.

Adam Curry (66:22)

Possible. That's possible. Possible. It's also, you know, the, oh, China is going to kill us all meme is in there. Or the Chinese. The Chinese.

News Reporter (66:31)

The Chinese infringement includes the unauthorized use of our members voices and likenesses. This is unacceptable and it undercuts the ability of human talent to earn a livelihood.

Adam Curry (66:41)

OpenAI had a similar issue and they very quickly reinforced the idea that they had an opt in policy, even though they were sort of in an opt out modality. Meaning? Meaning performers can see themselves, Bryan Cranston can see himself and say, hey, you're not supposed to have that. And they go, sorry, take it down. Or they can say, hey, Bryan Cranston, we want to use your image and likeness when I get your permission. And he'd have the opportunity to make that decision and get compensated for it and so forth.

John C. Dvorak (67:11)

So we have an important piece of

Adam Curry (67:14)

federal legislation called the no Fakes act, which is in the Judiciary Committee now in the Senate. And it would enshrine that right, that right to our own voice and likeness, the no Fakes Act. Here's Hollywood desperately clinging on to relevance when if you really look at that, that fight scene was a great fight scene. It's better than them filming an original fight scene was. It's fantastic.

John C. Dvorak (67:37)

I had not seen it. I didn't need to see it.

Adam Curry (67:39)

Oh, it's really good. You're a journalist. Your job is to make sure that the First Amendment is protected. What? What, what, what?

John C. Dvorak (67:48)

Hold on, let me write down this on the list of things that journalists do.

Adam Curry (67:54)

So let's just hear that again. Let's make sure that we're all understanding the First Amendment here. You're a journalist. Your. Your job is to make sure that the First Amendment is protected and is respected and observed and in the entertainment industry, both the companies and the talent

John C. Dvorak (68:10)

have the same sense of,

Adam Curry (68:14)

you know, reverence for the First Amendment Amendment. But you shouldn't be able to. Somehow the First Amendment is being infringed on. No, you can talk about copyright law

John C. Dvorak (68:26)

maybe, but this copyright law for sure.

Adam Curry (68:29)

This. This idiot from. We know you're from the Goonies. He's now saying that not only is copying, digitally copying and manipulating material someone owns. Owns is a First Amendment rights issue which has nothing to do. There's no rights. But journalists should. Are supposed to be protecting this.

John C. Dvorak (68:52)

This is who the head is. This is. Is this the head of SAG aftra?

Adam Curry (68:57)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (68:57)

I think it's an embarrassment if it is.

Adam Curry (68:59)

Let me check out, make sure exactly what it is. Me say something I didn't say or do something I didn't do, or depict me in a way that I wouldn't, but, you know, in a setting I wouldn't put myself. That's.

John C. Dvorak (69:09)

That's just basic fundamental fairness.

Adam Curry (69:12)

It goes not just to the professional.

John C. Dvorak (69:13)

How's that different than acting?

Adam Curry (69:15)

He is indeed the president of SAG Aftra.

John C. Dvorak (69:18)

How's that what he just said? Back it up. How's that different than acting?

Adam Curry (69:22)

Let's listen again. Or do something I didn't do or depict me in a way that I wouldn't, you know, in a setting I wouldn't put myself.

John C. Dvorak (69:29)

That's just basic fundamental fairness.

Adam Curry (69:32)

Yeah, it's acting.

John C. Dvorak (69:34)

Good point.

Adam Curry (69:35)

It was not just to the professional entertainment industry. It goes to kids who are abused in this way. It goes towards anyone in our country and around the world who is, you

John C. Dvorak (69:47)

know, when they post stuff on social

Adam Curry (69:49)

media, when they find themselves, their images captured in whatever ways that they are subject to this same sort of abuse.

John C. Dvorak (69:56)

So it's time to put real guardrail

Adam Curry (70:00)

guardrails in place that protect us, not

News Reporter (70:02)

to mention all guardrails. Companies that don't really design these cityscapes or whatever, they just plagiarize them from the work of other people. Sean Astin, thank you. Please come back. We want to be talking about this and making sure artists are represented in this debate. We really appreciate it and we're all huge fans. My director just showed his. Showed his kids huge fans over the weekend.

John C. Dvorak (70:22)

Just FYI, the union Goonies.

Adam Curry (70:25)

Never say guy. No, he was in the Goonies movies. He was in movies. He's a kid actor. But these are the same people who are taking notes from the Netflix executives to reiterate the plot every 10 minutes in a Netflix movie because the audience has no attention span because it's longer than three minutes. This movie lasts more than three minutes. I mean, please, we've seen this happen. And unpack before our very eyes. It started with captions. Gotta have the captions on. If I don't have the captions, I can't follow the movie.

John C. Dvorak (71:01)

Yeah, that's right. We talked about this before. The captions thing.

Adam Curry (71:04)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (71:05)

Can you do me a favor? I can try and send the spreadsheet from Jay and her page to. To my Google account. Just forwarded it.

Adam Curry (71:14)

Okay, well, if you play a clip, then I can do that.

John C. Dvorak (71:18)

Well, I can play a bunch of clips.

Adam Curry (71:20)

No, just one.

John C. Dvorak (71:20)

How about playing the clips I kind of put aside here?

Adam Curry (71:23)

Just one is fine.

John C. Dvorak (71:25)

If somebody has sent this in. I went and re clipped it so it was a little better. Better. About Keith Olbermann.

Adam Curry (71:32)

He's still around. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (71:35)

Keith Olbermann talking about how he's become a media deconstructor. Olbermann on media won.

Keith Olbermann (71:45)

Every once in a while, I begin to suspect that this podcast will eventually turn into a media criticism podcast. Every once in a while, I suspect you believe that this podcast has already turned into such of a podcast cast about the media more than about politics or Trump or anything else. Because if we stop and think about it beyond the natural problems that we have had with what we all thought were laws and that turned out just to be traditions and things that men of goodwill would observe to keep the form of government here largely democratic. Apart from that overarching problem that has led us here to the precipice of eternal damnation. The second, the second biggest collapse, the second weakest guardrail, the guardrail that second most turned out to be made out of oatmeal and paper mache, is the media. There has been another array of disasters in the media in the past week. From CBS News, or what was formerly CBS News, from cnn. Again, from a man I used to work for named Andy Lack at NBC. Formerly of NBC, though they fired him twice. And from Jake effing Tapper that you

Adam Curry (73:03)

wanted sent to your Gmail. Yeah, you know, there's something very wrong with your email. Just as a quick aside, when the guy trying to help you with a newsletter email, his name is Mark Voidzero. When his email is sent back as fake. When he's trying to send you information about how to fix the email, we have a basic problem. Problem.

John C. Dvorak (73:25)

Yeah, I'm working on it. I'm aware of the issues. And I use the issues as plural.

Adam Curry (73:31)

Yes. All right, so that's the intro. We've got Oberman and he is setting himself up as some kind of uber dude over.

John C. Dvorak (73:39)

Yeah. And so I, I do have the deconstruction that he actually does on a clip, which is the last clip, which is Oberman 3.

Adam Curry (73:46)

I think you don't want to play 2. You want to play.

John C. Dvorak (73:48)

No, but. But if you want to play two, it's more. It's entertaining. Canning. Play 2 and 2A. There's 2 and 2A. This is classic. This is an example of what kind of objectivity we can expect in his deconstruction.

Keith Olbermann (74:03)

Okay, so Trump is now trying to win line level service members, the line guys, the youngsters, the ones Trump thinks are the suckers and losers, trying to win them with some vague idea in his mind that if the commissioned officers and the generals and the Joint Chiefs are told to shoot up a voting precinct in Chicago and they refuse, well, the raw troops from Fort Bragg will do it anyway out of loyalty to Trump, and might even shoot the officers if Trump asks them to. Like, this is the Soviet revolution as it played out on their western front against the Germans in 19 effing 17. It is absolute.

Adam Curry (74:41)

What is the effing thing? Is this a new thing? Jake effing Tapper? 19 effing 17. Keith effing Olbermann.

John C. Dvorak (74:49)

He tests constantly, but he uses effing.

Adam Curry (74:51)

Oh, okay.

Keith Olbermann (74:52)

Out on their western front against the Germans in 19 effing 17, it is absolutely possible that the midterms could come down to the Joint Chiefs of Staff actually standing up on their hind legs like something out of the government overthrow movie Seven Days in May. It is absolutely possible that the names of the people Mark Kelly and Alyssa Slotkin were actually talking to in the video they and the four House members made will become very familiar to us in October and November and December. Names like General George and Admiral Franchetti and Commandant Smith. And yes, in the wildest of political science fiction scenarios, they might all have to get together and lock General Kane. Lock General Kane in a room somewhere while they make sure the personnel under their command do not see ballot boxes or begin to turn us into a military dictatorship and do not start shooting civilians. And Trump does not pop out of a bunker wearing his special new uniform with the big hat personally designed and gifted to him by Kim Jong Un.

Adam Curry (76:02)

Now, are there more people who watch Keith Olbermann besides you and Darren and Larry? I mean, are you. I don't.

John C. Dvorak (76:10)

I don't watch them at all. If it wasn't somebody sending me this. This clip about him deconstructing. I wouldn't have even gotten these. I'll just play this next one, which is the end of what he just said, the Trump 2A, and then an example of his deconstructed. Deconstruction. You won't hear from him again on this show for a year.

Keith Olbermann (76:27)

It cannot be said too many times. There is no future for Trump and these scumbags around him. Rubio Vance, Stephen Miller. No. Hegseth Patel, Gabbard Kushner, Trump's two idiot sons. There is no future for any of them if the Democrats win the House and the Senate. I'd argue there is virtually no future for any of them if the Democrats just win the House. For Trump, the midterms are not the future of his agenda and his policies. For his minions, this is not the future of their plans or their money. For Trump, the midterms are life and death. His. He either gains control of this country permanently through the rest of his life or virtually permanently, or he will die in prison.

Adam Curry (77:20)

This guy just had. All I'm hearing is diarrhea of the mouth. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah, Trump, blah, blah. Okay, so now we get to the. The true.

John C. Dvorak (77:31)

Okay, so now this next clip, which is the last one, this is deconstructing some CBS stuff. He hates CBS now because this is Barry Wisey, of course. So he's going to deconstruct a story and then. And then show how. How screwed up it is. And, and the structure of what he does is you have to remember that he is the. The mentor of Rachel Mac Maddow.

Adam Curry (77:59)

Mentor or mentee?

John C. Dvorak (78:01)

He's the mentor.

Adam Curry (78:02)

He mentored Rachel Maddow.

John C. Dvorak (78:04)

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. She came into the network at the

Adam Curry (78:08)

msnbc, another person banned from the show.

John C. Dvorak (78:13)

She came in and he taught her the ropes, and she became a version of him. And then she passed it on to Hayes, that other guy guy, and it got watered down along the way. And she, she was a little better at doing this because she had all these expressions and she didn't look like a lunatic and she had his sad faces and she'd cry. But. But the structure of what you're about to hear is exactly Rachel Maddows. She got it from him. And listen carefully, because there's a trick in here. He pulls a. A stunt, and I don't know whether he does it on purpose, which I have to assume because he can't be this dumb, or he does it because he's that dumb. We'll see. Here we go.

Keith Olbermann (78:56)

On February 9th, Tony decouple already once again put a hole in whatever reputation he had as a newsman at some point in his past when he announced on their newscast, the CBS quote Evening quote news, ICE arrested nearly 400,000 people in President Trump's first year in office. Of those, nearly 60% had criminal history histories, meaning charges or convictions, including many for serious crimes such as drug trafficking and child pornography, and several thousand cases involving rape or murder. Those are some pretty heavy statistics. That's a very important story and it is to some degree surprising that you're probably hearing this for the first time. 400,000 people arrested. Of those, 60% had criminal histories. Drug trafficking, child pornography, several thousand rapes or murder, murders. The books were cooked. Trump is not right. Trump is not dragging off only the violent criminals. The worst of the worst. The number had been rewritten. The facts had been changed into what Tony decouple read to present a fake picture to falsify reality. CBS had its own online report on its website, which has not yet been corrupted by Barry Weiss and Tony decouple and the others. The CBS story, using the same data from the same sources recently reads, less than 14% of those arrested by ICE in Trump's first year back in office had violent criminal records, document shows. So between the actual number, which is less than 14%, and this dire picture of nearly 60% had criminal histories. Somebody changed the facts from the facts to lies that Kopal promptly spewed on the CBS Evening News.

Adam Curry (80:44)

Oh, yeah, no, it was obvious what he did there. He change it from criminal record to violence. Criminal record.

John C. Dvorak (80:50)

Yeah, you spotted it. So easy to spot. Rachel does this all the time, too. And it's just like it was disingenuous because in his original when he talks about the 60%, he does mention the thousands of super violent crimes which would be include murder and whatever, and that. That accounts for the 14%. He never puts that together correctly. He's the liar.

Adam Curry (81:16)

Yes, he is.

John C. Dvorak (81:19)

So that's the kind of news deconstruction, if he's ever going to do it, that you're going to get. It's just Rachel Maddow material.

Adam Curry (81:25)

I believe that the people who listen to our show do not ever, ever even stop on a video of Keith Olbermann. But it was sent to you, so I understand we got to use the material. You're in agreement with me?

John C. Dvorak (81:42)

I think some people. Well, I haven't. You're probably right because I don't stop at his videos. This guy sent the thing. One of our producers sent the thing in saying hey, look at, he's trying to do deconstruction like you guys. Okay, I had his clip and then I said well let's see what this is all about.

Adam Curry (81:59)

It was my fault. We never should have done the Trump stuff. That was my fault. You wanted to pass it by and I was interested.

Jennie Bond (82:06)

So.

Adam Curry (82:06)

Okay. He did however bring up the, what do you call them? The two idiot sons.

John C. Dvorak (82:13)

So the two idiots and this.

Adam Curry (82:16)

I'm answering a question that someone sent to me. There's a lot of confusion about the digital euro, cbdc, central bank digital currency and stablecoin. And even though we've explained it ad nauseam and I'm not about to do it again, please go to Bingit IO and look it up. A central bank digital currency is issued that is the digital euro. If it ever happens. And I have reasons for saying that if the digital currency ever happens. A central bank digital currency is regulated by the central bank, the bank of banks. In that case it would be the Federal Reserve. In the United States there is in fact there is specific legislation that forbids the central bank of America, the Federal Reserve Reserve from creating a digital coin. The stablecoin is interesting in that it is money that is backed by American debt, by treasury bills. And the whole legislation that's going through Congress now is determined, we've already determined who can do it. So you can be a bank, you can qualify as a bank. I'm sure Elon Musk qualifies as a company, a bank. The only argument, argument now is well, can we give people benefits like interest rate interest on a, on a stablecoin or tote bags or whatever. So the Trump brothers have a, do a conference for the World Liberty. I think it's what it's called, excuse me, World Liberty Financial Corporation. And they say, I think it's Eric who says some stuff which confirms what we've been talking about about the stable co coin gambit. But first they kind of downplay bitcoin a little bit and put push it off to the side because stablecoin is what it's all about.

Andrea Romero (84:15)

Still think it's going to a million bucks. It's having trouble holding 100,000. It's been a rough start. This, this was supposed to be the golden dawn of crypto.

Adam Curry (84:25)

Well you know, bitcoin is low right now.

Keith Olbermann (84:27)

But what we're talking here with World Liberty is to be stablecoins, right? So that's treasury backed dollar based up

Andrea Romero (84:33)

in the, in the crypt, in the bitcoin sell off.

Keith Olbermann (84:35)

They're one to one to U.S. treasury.

Adam Curry (84:36)

So they've, they've, they've stayed the same. It's just a simpler way to transact.

Keith Olbermann (84:39)

If you send a wire on Friday,

Adam Curry (84:40)

you don't have to wait for Tuesday to close. It happens in two seconds. For two cents you can close transactions. You know, the banks obviously didn't love that idea because they're getting the benefit of the float of having these things, you know, and these billions and billions of dollars sitting in their banks over the weekend collecting interest. This creates efficiencies that did not exist in that market. But not only does it create efficiencies is bringing trillions of dollars into the United States. Right. Everybody wants to be on the US Dollar. They did a euro based stablecoin and Only half of 1% of all Europeans want to be on stable on that stable point. You know what they want to be on? They want it to be on the US dollar. And guess what? Everybody in Asia wants to be on the US Dollar. Guess what everybody in South America wants to be on. It really is on the US dollar. Stablecoin is going to bring literally trillions of dollars into the US economy. It, it arguably could save the dollar because guess what? There's, there's a lot of countries around the world.

Keith Olbermann (85:29)

Rent.

Adam Curry (85:29)

Guess what? The corruption, bad governments, bad currencies, massive inflation. These people don't stand a chance. They get, they get a paycheck, they don't stand a chance. They may as well go and throw in a fire and just burn it. Whereas now all of a sudden, using a simple telephone, using your iPhone, you know, all of a sudden you can buy US backed. One to one is on said, you know, based on US Treasuries. You can, you can buy stablecoin and you can actually be part of the greatest financial system in the world. So this will change the entire optics of the US dollar. It is a way to at least extend world dominance as a reserve currency for a while. And as Eric said, guess what, Guess what, Guess what. Yes, guess what, Guess what all those countries do indeed, people would rather have the US Dollar.

John C. Dvorak (86:13)

Yes, absolutely.

Adam Curry (86:15)

If you think that this is any different because it's digital from Your Venmo, your PayPal, your credit, your debit card or any other way you transact except in paper money, they're wrong. There's no difference. Just as trackable, just as stoppable, just as interruptible. I hope people now understand they don't because they're all worried about oh, cbdc. The CBDC is bad because the central bank can. Then they can devalue your money.

John C. Dvorak (86:48)

Well, they could take it.

Adam Curry (86:50)

Well, so.

John C. Dvorak (86:51)

Hello.

Adam Curry (86:52)

Well, that can happen with any. I'm just saying that that's.

John C. Dvorak (86:57)

It can't happen with the. With the thousand bucks that I have stashed in the mattress.

Adam Curry (87:03)

No, but that's. You're mixing apples with oranges and throwing in some bananas. The point is digital money is digital money and you're controlled. Unless you literally are using Bitcoin and people are accepting your Bitcoin.

John C. Dvorak (87:17)

Oh, this is the.

Adam Curry (87:17)

No, no, no, no. Saying it for that. The point is the difference between a stablecoin and a central bank digital currency is the central bank has way more power to devalue your money, to chop off money, to do things that are outside of the banking system and that's what you don't want. And the digital euro will be fantastic. I can't wait. Unfortunately, as it turns out. Let me look for it because turns out the Fifi Lagarde may not see the actual introduction of the digital euro onto business. Now.

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Charles Grant is with us.

Adam Curry (87:57)

He's starting with a shock report. This is coming out from the Financial

Jennie Bond (88:00)

Times is regarding movements at the European Central Bank.

Adam Curry (88:03)

The British newspaper saying that the president of the ecb, Christine Lagarde, is expected to leave her position before the end of the her eight year term in October 2027. Citing a source familiar with her thinking, Lagarde is reportedly looking to leave before the French presidential election which will take place in April next year. This would allow French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Friedrich Mertz to find a new top central banker for the bloc and thus avoiding the possibility of a far right national rally president from having a say in the decision whether that person is Marine Le Pen or Jordan Bardela. Both of them are euro skeptics. Of course. The European Central bank has since responded that the report to that report saying Christine Lagarde is focused on her job and has not taken any decision regarding the end of her term. This is a bad omen. Why would Lagarde want to leave before the end of her term? She's a healthy woman. She's got everything together. She loves power. I think she knows it's all going to come tumbling down. This has nothing to do with getting out before.

John C. Dvorak (89:16)

Oh, you think that. And she's worried about getting blamed.

Adam Curry (89:19)

Of course. Of course that, that she'll be the number one to get blamed N. It's like wow. I think it's bigger news than people may realize that she's giving Getting out. I don't want to be here when it all collapses. Let some other doofus take care of it.

John C. Dvorak (89:39)

Well, the potential is there.

Adam Curry (89:42)

Talk about the tariff decision from the Supreme Court for a moment. I have two clips that I want to play and then two clips. I'm sure you do mine first.

John C. Dvorak (89:52)

Wait, what are your where's are where, where does yours. I'll get it. Where do yours come from?

Adam Curry (89:59)

From this morning from cbs, Face THE Nation.

John C. Dvorak (90:02)

Cbs. Okay.

Adam Curry (90:03)

Face the Nation. Ambassador J. Madison Greer, who is the United States trade representative.

Andrea Romero (90:08)

The Supreme Court ruling that vote was 6, 3. The president, as you know, you were there, came out publicly and he railed against some of those justices by name. He said this on Friday. Take a listen.

John C. Dvorak (90:22)

They're very unpatriotic and disloyal to our constitutions. It's my opinion that the court has

Adam Curry (90:28)

been swayed by far and interests and

John C. Dvorak (90:31)

a political movement that is far smaller

Adam Curry (90:33)

than people would ever think.

Andrea Romero (90:36)

That's a pretty huge allegation. What foreign interest has corrupted the court, according to the president.

John C. Dvorak (90:43)

Well, I won't characterize his words too much.

Andrea Romero (90:46)

He speaks for himself. What I will do you know what he's talking about? So many, so, so many of the interests that are that were at issue in this case were really about foreign

John C. Dvorak (90:55)

importers or foreign companies that have interests

Andrea Romero (90:59)

here in the US who are suing

John C. Dvorak (91:01)

the president and suing the administration. It's foreign companies that are benefiting from the tariffs being struck down.

Andrea Romero (91:08)

This is why when we impose tariffs,

John C. Dvorak (91:10)

foreign countries don't like it and foreign

Andrea Romero (91:13)

companies don't like it because they're the

John C. Dvorak (91:15)

ones that don't want to have the tariffs in place. They're the ones that are suing.

Andrea Romero (91:19)

They're the ones that are trying to

John C. Dvorak (91:20)

get together coalitions and groups who oppose what the president is doing.

Andrea Romero (91:24)

The president's fighting for American workers.

John C. Dvorak (91:26)

He's trying to impose a trade policy that has has a through line through

Andrea Romero (91:29)

the first Trump administration, Biden and Trump with, with tariffs.

John C. Dvorak (91:32)

But it's foreign countries and companies that are suing that want these things to go away.

Adam Curry (91:37)

So the trade representative or ambassador here is not really saying what this is. I believe what President Trump is talking about is globalists and specifically North Sea Nexus, Texas, in the embodiment of the Cato Institute, who wrote quite a detailed amicus brief to the Supreme Court about this decision. And I spent some time with Rob, the constitutional lawyer. It's 170 pages. A lot of this was pretty much written by the Cato Institute. It's all their language, it's the globalist. They don't want this. They don't want America to succeed on its own. They want the state, same manufacturer somewhere else. Just have the stupid Americans be the customers. And here, Jameson kind of, kind of lets in a little bit on who the President was really talking about.

Andrea Romero (92:29)

But the President wasn't talking about them. The President was talking about the Supreme Court justices who he said are unpatriotic and disloyal and swayed by foreign interests. Do you have any evidence to back up that allegation about the Supreme Court justices who actually, as you know, face security threats on a daily basis?

John C. Dvorak (92:48)

So when the foreign interests sue, they

Andrea Romero (92:51)

appear before the courts. They're literally arguing before the courts that

John C. Dvorak (92:56)

they should have a different outcome. So they are.

Andrea Romero (92:59)

It's quite obvious that foreign interests are involved. They're helping bring lawsuits. They're arguing before the court.

John C. Dvorak (93:05)

And these justices, six of them, agree

Andrea Romero (93:09)

with what a lot of these foreign

John C. Dvorak (93:11)

interests want, which is take down the tariffs, take down the barriers, and let us import as much cheap crap as we want to the United States at the expense of American workers.

Andrea Romero (93:19)

But do you need to clarify or feel compelled in any way to clarify in regard to the allegations against the Justices themselves?

John C. Dvorak (93:29)

I'm not, I'm not speaking for the President.

Andrea Romero (93:31)

What I'm telling you is that when

John C. Dvorak (93:33)

the President talks about foreign influences at a meeting minimum, what we see is

Andrea Romero (93:37)

that foreign companies are involved in the coalitions, the PR effort, they're involved in the cases, and they don't want these tariffs. It's not a secret. I mean, for, for months, these, these foreign countries and companies and people in

John C. Dvorak (93:49)

United States who benefit from their commercial

Andrea Romero (93:51)

relations with them, they want these tariffs to be gone. That, that should be the signal for us that we're doing the right thing, that we're over the target.

John C. Dvorak (93:58)

When the foreign countries and companies are

Andrea Romero (94:00)

literally arguing and court through their advocates

John C. Dvorak (94:03)

to take it down, we know they have influence.

Andrea Romero (94:05)

Well, 1500 businesses, including Costco, have filed lawsuits to get repaid for these tariffs.

Adam Curry (94:11)

Yeah, they can wait for a long time for that to happen.

John C. Dvorak (94:13)

Yeah, that's for sure.

Adam Curry (94:14)

That's not going to happen.

John C. Dvorak (94:16)

That's not going to happen.

Adam Curry (94:18)

So I think that's what the President meant. I mean, Cato Institute was, I think that's named after the Cato letters, if I'm not mistaken, between 18th century British essays between John Trenchard and Thomas Gordon.

John C. Dvorak (94:35)

Oh, I know it is a kind of a outlier of conservative think tanks.

Adam Curry (94:41)

Conservative or liberal globalists.

John C. Dvorak (94:44)

They're Conservative on the surface, yeah.

Adam Curry (94:48)

On the surface, yeah, that makes sense.

John C. Dvorak (94:50)

On the surface they're extremely conservative. But it wouldn't surprise me and I think that was a good catch that you talked this over with your, with r. With the show's oh, yes. Oh, Constitutional guy.

Adam Curry (95:02)

Yeah. I mean I, I can tell you more about what we discussed, but let's see what your clips are first.

John C. Dvorak (95:08)

Well, my clips are a little different because they don't, they don't harp on, on they don't harp the way Nora. That's not Nora, it's who is that?

Adam Curry (95:21)

That's Margaret.

John C. Dvorak (95:23)

Margaret. That's right.

Adam Curry (95:24)

Right.

John C. Dvorak (95:24)

Margaret. Let's and the problem is I have two clips that should be the same might be the same clip, but one's 41 seconds. One's 59 is the openers is this is the, it's the second clip. Tariffs. Two that's interesting to me because it shows you what NPR is coming from.

Adam Curry (95:40)

One is 44. One is 59.

John C. Dvorak (95:43)

Really? I got 41 on my list.

Adam Curry (95:45)

Oh, wait, hold on. I have, wait, I have tariff, Supreme Court Court, 44 Supreme Court, NPR, 59 tariffs.

John C. Dvorak (95:56)

I wonder why it grew 3 seconds tariffs to GOTG. NPR yeah, that should be boots on the ground.

Adam Curry (96:05)

It's goots on the goats on the ground, everybody. We got goats.

John C. Dvorak (96:08)

Goats on the ground. Let's start with the long. Let's just try, try the long one. The 59 second one.

Adam Curry (96:14)

The 59 second one.

Andrea Romero (96:15)

President Trump says he's increasing his new temporary global tariffs from 10% he announced yesterday to 15%. This in response to yesterday's Supreme Court ruling that found he overstepped his authority on double ditch taxes on virtually all imports into the U.S. nPR's Alina Selyuk has more. President Trump made the latest announcement in a post on social media, once again deriding the Supreme Court ruling, saying it was, quote, ridiculous, poorly written and extraordinarily anti American. The high court had ruled with a notable majority of six to three, including two justices appointed by Trump. And they had struck down Trump's use of an emergency statute for his tariffs, saying the president could not rely on it to impose taxes without specific authorization from Congress. Trump quickly used another presidential authority to set a new universal tariff which is limited to 150 days unless extended by lawmakers. And he has vowed to find a way to set more. Alina Seluk, NPR News, Washington.

Adam Curry (97:15)

Yeah, the 150 day limit on section 122 is interesting because, yes, the president can't just reset the clock but there is no language that says that he can't do another one.

John C. Dvorak (97:31)

And so, yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Adam Curry (97:33)

14%. Now it's all about if there's a trade or a. An imbalance of payments, which clearly we have.

John C. Dvorak (97:41)

Oh, yeah, big time.

Adam Curry (97:43)

Then he can. He can just keep invoking that, just changing it a little bit. He can also completely block all trade with any country or for any product, just outright. So this whole thing was. I'd say, I think the words Rob, the constitutional lawyer used are performative. And that's what's disappointing. The Supreme Court's just, you know, whatever they were doing, it's like you can't use anything.

John C. Dvorak (98:09)

They didn't want to deal with it. I think that's.

Adam Curry (98:11)

They should have not dealt with.

John C. Dvorak (98:12)

The fact that they just stole the report from the Cato Institute is pretty pathetic.

Adam Curry (98:16)

It's very pathetic.

John C. Dvorak (98:17)

So this report, they go on and on and on. Then they bring in this woman that. Who's in the. Who, I have to say, here's a woman that's. Works for npr, that is living the life of Riley who. I don't know what. The NPR budget must be in the hundreds of millions, obviously. And this woman, she's in the Paris Beauty Bureau, and she's going to do boots on the ground. But you never imagine, you know, in other words, ask the Europeans what they think of all this, and you can't imagine where she decides to go.

Adam Curry (98:46)

Wait a minute. Physically or in her.

John C. Dvorak (98:49)

Physically.

Adam Curry (98:50)

Hold on a second. So she's doing well? I would say. She had to go to China.

John C. Dvorak (98:57)

No, no, she's in. She's in the Paris. If you're in the Paris bureau and you want to travel around, you. Yes. Well, actually, yes, you should go to

Adam Curry (99:06)

China or you go to the Champagne region.

John C. Dvorak (99:08)

Well, you're close.

Andrea Romero (99:09)

EU and the US did more than one and a half trillion dollars in trade in goods and services in 2024. They're each each other's largest trading partners. There's a lot at stake. Last summer, before the tariffs were put into effect, the 15%, I went into Burgundy and I spoke with wine growers, and they were so nervous about what would happen. And one of the vineyards I visited was Michael Shops.

Adam Curry (99:33)

What is in Burgundy besides dynamite wine? What's in Burgundy?

John C. Dvorak (99:36)

Dynamite wine. She went to Burgundy to talk about tariffs and do a lot of wine tasting. Because some of that wine you can taste if you go there, but you

Andrea Romero (99:47)

can't afford to affect the 15%. I went into Burgundy and I spoke with wine growers, and they were so nervous about what would happen. And one, one of the vineyards I visited was Michael Shapp's vineyard. He has. He's a French winemaker and a Virginia winemaker who exports and imports in both directions. So he really sees how it's affecting the whole thing. And I spoke with him today. Here he is.

Adam Curry (100:08)

It's been crazy, the up and downs on both sides of the Atlantic. On top of that, the fact that the dollar has tumbled about 12% in the past year. So you had that on top of the tariffs, and it's a big hit.

Andrea Romero (100:19)

Yeah. So he hailed the Supreme Court's decision, but it didn't last long. And he said most French were winemakers, including himself, are finding and have found new markets across Europe and Asia. He says it's just too hard to do business with the U.S. does the EU have any recourse to fight back? Yeah, they do. I mean, the US and the EU negotiated a trade deal last summer, but it's actually not been ratified by the European Parliament, and they could hold that back. And there are now calls for them to do so. And they've already identified $93 billion worth of US goods that they could slap tariffs on. And there's something else they could use. It's a mechanism that's being being referred to as the trade bazooka, which could enact huge restrictions on US companies having access to the EU market, which is a market of 450 million consumers. It's massive and lucrative. So that could be a real threat. That's NPR's Paris correspondent, Eleanor Beardsley. Thank you so much for your reporting. You're welcome.

Adam Curry (101:14)

I'll tell you that my buddy here who does CNC machining for military parts, they are so happy because now they are using American steel. He says it's more expensive. I think we talked about this before. But he doesn't have to throw 40% away of Chinese steel because it's junk. It's junk. And he says orders are up. He says we can barely keep up with the business.

John C. Dvorak (101:43)

Business, yeah, it's junk. The. The LED light bulbs from China are junk.

Adam Curry (101:50)

Everything from China is pretty much junk. And. And I understand we have a lot of people probably who listen to the show who set up businesses reselling junk from China in marketing online. I understand it sucks that you have to eat these to tariffs, but, you know, and they say, well, you can't get that in America. Well, there's your opportunity right there. Make it better. I love the guys in, in North Carolina who are making sneakers and supposedly no agenda boots. Now this, this is. This is the whole plan. If you care about your kids, you'll eat a little bit of pain or a lot of pain. You want will do it. I'm going to give the President till 2027. And if it hasn't improved by then, well, then a great idea didn't work. I like the idea. I really do.

John C. Dvorak (102:46)

Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I mean, I like the idea too. I'm not going to argue.

Adam Curry (102:51)

Are you skeptical that he can pull it off?

John C. Dvorak (102:53)

No, I'm skeptical that the economy's not going to have issues after the midterms. And it will result in the inability to pull it off because it just will. Won't be. The conditions won't be right.

Adam Curry (103:06)

Everybody will be broke.

John C. Dvorak (103:10)

Well, not that never happens, but if that ever happened, you'd be people who

Adam Curry (103:15)

listen to our show in the 30s.

John C. Dvorak (103:17)

It didn't happen in the 70s. This never happened.

Adam Curry (103:20)

People who listen to our show will be broke and they will claim brokeness.

John C. Dvorak (103:25)

That is always happening.

Adam Curry (103:28)

It does. It does happen.

John C. Dvorak (103:30)

If we get ready to go to a break, I do have one interesting clip.

Adam Curry (103:35)

Oh, finally. Finally we're getting an interesting.

John C. Dvorak (103:37)

Finally an interesting clip. I know, I know, I know. So this is the. This, this is the most disgusting thing that's been floating around for a while. This is the underwear hack I had. It was kind of noisy. I ran into the system. This is a. Some woman telling giving us a life hack. A life hack. When you travel a lot.

Adam Curry (104:02)

Okay, here we go.

Andrea Romero (104:03)

I'm about to show you guys one of the coolest tricks ever. So you're traveling and you didn't pack enough underwear and you was like, oh my gosh, what am I going to wear tomorrow? Every room has like a coffee pot thing in it. Every room. Even the other coffee makers were like bruise through. All you have to do, put your underwear where you would put the coffee grounds. You close it, you pass brew, and it puts scorching hot water through it, you guys. Then the hair dryer in the bathroom, you blow dry those bad boys and you got yourself a cleaner pair of underwear to wear. I did not realize how many people already knew this. This hack. I learned it years ago from a friend that was a flight attendant. And it's brilliant.

Adam Curry (104:47)

So this is a hack. This is good. This is no good.

John C. Dvorak (104:51)

Take your underwear and you stick it in the coffee maker. Your dirty underwear. And then you run a brew through it and then you just dump the water out. And then you Go dry off the underwear. So. So in other words, the likelihood. If the people. Unless this is a hoax, which I.

Adam Curry (105:06)

Well, no, no, no, no, because I. I just spent four days in the biodome in Nashville. It's the Gaylord Hotel, where you never get out. It's kind of like a casino, and they have these exact brew machines, and it exists of a little pouch that's in a plastic slide that you slide into the coffee maker. Yeah, that works if you have panties. But men's underwear, Well, I don't think

John C. Dvorak (105:34)

it's for men, but even I. I don't care who puts them in. If it's panties or boxer shorts, I don't care. I don't want to be drinking my coffee, making brews of coffee afterwards.

Adam Curry (105:46)

You know, the hack is you get clean underwear and a tasty drink. And with that, I want to thank you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who put the c in the CBDC in the morning to you, Mr. John C. Divorce.

John C. Dvorak (106:06)

On the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there in the morning

Adam Curry (106:09)

to the trolls control room.

Keith Olbermann (106:11)

Let me count.

Adam Curry (106:17)

Well, that's looking better. 2000. Almost 20. 1002100 trolls listening live@noagendastream.com and of course, many of them trolling along in the troll. And you know what? The trolls know everything so much better. That is my favorite part of the trolls. They think that they're actually talking on the show. But you're not.

John C. Dvorak (106:36)

Well, they are on the. On the show of their own.

Adam Curry (106:38)

Yeah, I know, but I look over, you know, I always got to look over from. Sometimes I have a peripheral vision. I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm really trying to give them grace. It's hard sometimes.

John C. Dvorak (106:52)

Why?

Adam Curry (106:53)

Let's just say horrible things.

John C. Dvorak (106:54)

They're trolls.

Adam Curry (106:55)

Yeah, that's why they're trolls. Exactly.

John C. Dvorak (106:57)

To give them grace. They might want grief. I think I got him. Finally, I got him to kick me off. No, I. Oh, look, he talked about my. My post.

Adam Curry (107:07)

Yes, that is right. That is exactly. We are a value for value podcast. Now, first, I should mention that you can definitely get this on the modern podcast apps. That's what you want to do. Because when we go live, you'll get a notification that we're going live. You can listen to that live show in the modern podcast app. Many more features. Don't even think about these legacy apps. Apple, Spotify, even Overcast. You know, it doesn't have any of the cool features it's in the modern podcast apps@podcastapps.com value for value. Although we are considering giving you a yonder pouch, which just sounds like a fine premium. Other than that, there's nothing you got to do to get the premium content. No bonus stuff, no plus packages. We put it all out there for you to consume at no charge. No. No exchange of anything for just listening to the podcast. All we ask is that when you eventually, at some point in your day, think that was valuable to me, immediately go to no agenda donations.com and send us whatever value that had to you back to us. So we give you the value, you send it back. It's that simple. You can do this with time, talent and treasure the time and talent. People do so many things. They send you clips of Keith Olbermann. Mike Olbermann. I was going to say Mike Olbermann.

John C. Dvorak (108:30)

They said you click.

Adam Curry (108:31)

You know, he's like, all right, that's kind of valuable. Thank you. People organize meetups, obtaining. You've got Void Zero is trying to help us with the newsletter issues and

John C. Dvorak (108:42)

he's really have to talk to him

Adam Curry (108:44)

on the phone and he's really working hard because he can't even get you on the email anymore. But that is time and talent right there. Or you could be making artwork for us. Interestingly enough, on the previous show, which was our best of second half of show, got a lot of positive results. People thought it was very interesting. Interesting that immediately Obama was giving out classified information. President Trump says he's going to release all of the UFO files. They thought that just could not be a coincidence that we did our second half of show. But we did and you did not, as you typically do, send me artwork. Usually you send me artwork and say, here's the.

John C. Dvorak (109:27)

I didn't see anything. So I figured. Figured you'd either ask Darren for some or you just get some.

Adam Curry (109:34)

I just went to Gemini and said, make me a second half of show artwork and that's what we got.

John C. Dvorak (109:40)

Yeah,

Adam Curry (109:42)

I know I was as underwhelmed as you are, but that's what it is. And no one sends anything. Well, I guess.

John C. Dvorak (109:50)

Yeah, no, they did. But you didn't get it.

Adam Curry (109:51)

Well, I looked. I didn't see anything that was any

John C. Dvorak (109:53)

good because there's some there. I. I saw it.

Adam Curry (109:56)

Well, I didn't. I saw the end of the road when I was posting the show. When I was.

John C. Dvorak (110:01)

Yeah, no, probably wasn't there by the time. Yeah, you. The timing was. Was a.

Adam Curry (110:05)

Timing was wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we do have to and I did it Wednesday night. I had it all ready and good to go. I still could have done it Thursday morning. I looked. I didn't see anything. But anyway, thank you. If you submitted it came in too late. We're on a tight schedule here. So now is your chance to get in for episode 1845. Go to no agenda art generator.com and spin some something up. Oh, I believe I have to congratulate our Dutch master mistress. Dutch masters mistress Tanta Neil, I believe was her birthday two days ago. So I want to say happy birthday.

John C. Dvorak (110:41)

It wasn't on the birthday list?

Adam Curry (110:42)

No, no, it came through a signal message. So I just wanted to say, I just want to say happy birthday to her. And we miss you. We miss yours. From time to time she comes in with something. It's stellar. So we miss your original artwork. So now we want to thank the treasure part of our producers who sent something back to us. Time talent treasure. We thank everyone who sends us $50 or more. And for this segment we have our special Hollywood credits. Not even Hollywood style actual Hollywood credits that are good and recognized in all Hollywood circles. Associate executive Producer. If you send this $200 and we will read your note $300 above it is executive producer and we will read your note. And these, you can tell these credits are real because you can create an entry if you don't already have1@IMDb.com then we start today with Benjamin Domsalski from Cleveland, Ohio. He sent us 343.75 and let me see what he says here. He says Benjamin Domzalski from Cleveland requesting prayers for my son Adam. Oh, he's named Adam name previous to becoming a producer. Sorry, Adam. Oh, okay. He is converting to Catholicism and tomorrow, that is today, 22226 is his rite of sending. What Are you familiar with this? The rite of sending? I'm not sure what?

Keith Olbermann (112:04)

No.

Adam Curry (112:05)

Okay. It's about two steps away from full conversion. We will be at with the entirety of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese. He is nervous. So all prayers are welcome. No karma, just love. Glad to be a producer. I think I am now a knight.

John C. Dvorak (112:22)

As an accountant converting from, I wonder

Adam Curry (112:25)

from atheism, Agnosticism, from nothingism.

John C. Dvorak (112:29)

You don't convert from atheism?

Adam Curry (112:32)

Well, I don't know. It's a good question. I do do not have the information. Yes, I will most I already did when I read the spreadsheet. I think I am now a knight. Well, as an accountant I should keep better track. I will follow up jingles sharpton anything. And thank the Lord for my smoking hot wife. Resist we much, we must.

John C. Dvorak (112:53)

They're all giddy about a shutdown.

Adam Curry (112:57)

The tortoise in the race, then co Author of Hubris, YouTube lead singer Bono.

John C. Dvorak (113:15)

So I've been watching Sharpton on and off for the last six months.

Adam Curry (113:20)

Wow.

John C. Dvorak (113:20)

And I can't catch his flubs. I think he. They. They must just reshoot stuff constantly.

Adam Curry (113:25)

Oh, no, they must be. They must be pre taping.

John C. Dvorak (113:29)

Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got Evan here. Evan from Rhode Island. ITm Adam and John. With this donation, I can officially cleanse myself of douchebaggery. All right, you've been de. Douched.

Adam Curry (113:42)

Very good.

John C. Dvorak (113:44)

With that out of the way. I've been listening to you guys since the start of COVID Give or take about six years.

Adam Curry (113:52)

All right, six years.

John C. Dvorak (113:53)

Two have brought humor as well as insight to the otherwise chaotic day to day that the media would have us live in. Thank you both for the levity. Twice a week, the only jingle I request is the Scott Simon, suffren secretary. It makes me laugh every time I hear it.

Adam Curry (114:14)

Suffer and succotash. I'm Scott. Simon.

John C. Dvorak (114:24)

I'm sorry. He was in for 333.33.

Adam Curry (114:26)

Yeah, same amount. 333.33 from Noah Wattenmacher. These are of course, donations from two episodes. 1844 and for 1845 today. He's from Three Rivers, California, and he says birthday Dono for me, Dono. February 18, he turns 40. Hooray and hooray for you, Noah.

John C. Dvorak (114:48)

Dono.

Adam Curry (114:49)

Dono.

John C. Dvorak (114:50)

Jeffrey anton in Melbourne, Florida. 333 with no notes. So he gets a double up karma.

Adam Curry (114:59)

Yes, he does.

Andrea Romero (115:00)

You've got double up karma,

Adam Curry (115:07)

sir. Oh, no. Yes, sir, Commodore Mark Bendikowski, Warsaw, Poland. 321. I will donate until John will get my surname right. Love you guys. Night. Name change, please. To Sir Rick of the Cyber Abyss. Well, you've just changed it. Many years ago you had me knighted as sir.

John C. Dvorak (115:29)

No, no. You, you.

Adam Curry (115:30)

Oh, I'm sorry. There's two green. I was reading the green was bleeding over to the green.

John C. Dvorak (115:37)

You know, I'm sorry, now that you mention it, I've had issues with these colors too.

Adam Curry (115:43)

Yeah, okay.

John C. Dvorak (115:44)

That was Rick. And you have colorblindness, which I.

Adam Curry (115:47)

Let me. Let me just finish this. Let me do it again. Sir, Commodore Mark. So I'll edit this. No I'll ever know the difference.

John C. Dvorak (115:55)

Right?

Adam Curry (115:56)

Wait, wait. Three, two, one. Sir, Commodore Mark Bendikowski, Warsaw, Poland. 321. He says he will Donate until John gets my surname name right. Love the name.

John C. Dvorak (116:06)

Okay, let me give it a shot.

Adam Curry (116:07)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (116:08)

Bendy Kadowski.

Adam Curry (116:11)

Oh, I'm sorry, did I get it right? I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry, you did not get it right.

John C. Dvorak (116:19)

Sir Rick of the Cyber abyss in Modesto, California. Or abyss, as they might say nowadays. 300 night. Name change please to Sir Rick of the Cyber Abyss. This guy says. Okay, I get it. Many years ago you had me knighted as sir. Find it classifieds.com find it classifieds.com or something like that as that was where I was mining dollars from the web at the time. Now at Pod Grab. Now I'm@podgrabber.com and site spy007.com okay, plugging everything you can under the son, Andrew. That's worth 300 bucks.

Adam Curry (117:04)

Andrew Ribby. I'm just gonna guess it's.

John C. Dvorak (117:06)

Wait, wait, we're already.

Adam Curry (117:07)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (117:08)

Associates for two shows.

Adam Curry (117:10)

Yep. I told you. I told you. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 235 16. And he has a note that he sent in. Let's see. John Adam remittance. V for V twin. $200. Okay. Tina, glass of wine to aid putting up with Adam. $15. Oh, well that is. Is nice. Mimi, glass of wine to aid putting up with John. $15. He's given us the full accounting. This is. This is Dynamite. Phoebe Treat, $5. Hey, if you don't mind, I'm not going to give my dog some five dollar treat. I think that's. That's probably a bit much.

John C. Dvorak (117:52)

He has not priced dog treats for a while.

Adam Curry (117:54)

No, it's a lot of money for. For a dog treat.

John C. Dvorak (117:57)

400 bucks for reasonably good dog dog food.

Adam Curry (118:00)

Yes. Check fee 15 cents. Adam's jar, one cent. Where's my. You know, ever since I went to Linux, I think I lost my. My, my. My coin jar.

John C. Dvorak (118:11)

I gotta.

Adam Curry (118:12)

I gotta find that. Total 235 16. Thank you for the joy you bring to the producers through your incessant bickering. Shout out and celebration of the. Oh. Shout out and celebration of the lives of two incredible Christian men, Vadi Bauckham and John MacArthur. Please tell everyone to rent from Hickory Oak Properties. Advertisement thanks to all producer for Jobs. Oh, slash jobs. Prayers. Okay. P.S. i picked up side work so I could donate. Regards, Andrew Rib E. Ribby. Yes. Oh, and he wants a Mac and cheese jingle. All right. Mac and cheese. We got some Mac and cheese for you. Yes, this one.

John C. Dvorak (118:59)

Few slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together.

Adam Curry (119:06)

Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese, everybody. And they are both on the birthday list.

John C. Dvorak (119:15)

And can we confirm that you're using Linux once again?

Adam Curry (119:18)

Oh, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (119:19)

The people's operating system.

Adam Curry (119:20)

The people's operating system is in full, full effect.

John C. Dvorak (119:24)

And you're going to take the people's operating system on the road?

Adam Curry (119:28)

Yes, I will have a backup of the Redmond, Washington operating system just in case. But yes, I believe that I am almost completely transitioned off. And of course, now I am back on graphene os. Also the people's mobile operating system. I am free. I am unshaken, shackled by what has been. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (119:52)

By what has been a lousy operating system.

Adam Curry (119:55)

Yes. A lot of yes.

John C. Dvorak (119:57)

Okay. Stryker in Miami Springs, Florida 23333. Adam and John, my wife and I are longtime listeners. She's a no agenda Commodore and I'm a douchebag. Until now. You've been de. Douched. I'm an active duty Coast Guard pilot flying the Air HC 144B. We are in, by the way.

Adam Curry (120:20)

I want to take a look at this.

John C. Dvorak (120:21)

This was a screw up on my part because I went and ditched about the Coast Guard being part of, not part of the military and part of dhs. And I got corrected. This is a correction?

Adam Curry (120:33)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (120:34)

They never part of the military.

Adam Curry (120:36)

Oh, this is one of those big fatties with the, with the two turbo props on the wing.

John C. Dvorak (120:43)

DHC 144B Ocean Sentry.

Adam Curry (120:47)

Yeah, that's a big bad boy.

John C. Dvorak (120:50)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (120:51)

Nice.

John C. Dvorak (120:52)

We are indeed under dhs. Meaning, by the way, they were never under the military. They used to be under the Treasury Department. They got bounced around a lot. So it's no surprise that they ended up under dhs. Meaning I'm currently flying SAR emissions without a paycheck.

Adam Curry (121:08)

Search and research.

John C. Dvorak (121:08)

But just because I'm not getting paid to work doesn't mean you shouldn't get paid for the best podcast the universe.

Adam Curry (121:15)

Can I interject for one second? So while I was traveling, both going out and coming back in, I thought, let me be. Let me say something nice to every single TSA agent I see. And I said the same thing to all of them, even the lady who was yelling about your water bottle. I said, thank you so much for working during this mess in Congress. Every single one of them gave the same response. They rolled their eyes up and went,

John C. Dvorak (121:45)

that's it. They did.

Adam Curry (121:46)

Yeah, they just. But not towards me.

John C. Dvorak (121:48)

They didn't say thanks for the.

Adam Curry (121:49)

You know, they would say that, but. But the whole response of Congress like whatever. These basically douchebags. Whatever. What else is new this week? Yes.

John C. Dvorak (121:59)

Well, they get paid eventually. And of course, of course they were inconvenient.

Adam Curry (122:03)

Of course they were happy and they were. I think I made their day.

John C. Dvorak (122:07)

I hope so.

Adam Curry (122:07)

I think. Think so.

John C. Dvorak (122:09)

Just be. Anyway, he continues, just because I'm not getting paid to work doesn't mean you shouldn't get paid for the best podcast in the universe. And saying that we we need more donations.

Adam Curry (122:21)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (122:22)

To come. And I thank him for that. To combat growing AI digital noise and budget madness, we just launched the Pen pal pilot@penpalpilot.com penpalpilot.com and would love check it out and would love fellow no agenda listeners to check it out. It's a monthly snail mail club delivering stories from the cockpit directly to your mailbox. I'm sharing the stick and rudder reality which is funny because I have a. I have some a funny series of clips of either this show or next about games.

Adam Curry (122:57)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (122:58)

Reality of search and rescue through letters, logs and more. It's perfect for the retirees who miss the smell of the jet fuel. Young future pilots or any aviation enthusiast. Producers can sign up@penpalpilot.com before March 1st to receive our first ever newsletter, ITM Stryker.

Adam Curry (123:20)

Oh, this is a cool little little thing they got going on here about Stryker. Stryker is an active duty HC144B pilot who documents the raw reality of search and rescue and daily flight operations through personal handwritten logs delivered straight your mailbox. Each dispatch serves as your direct connection to the flight deck, capturing the grit and spirit of missions from the pilot seat of a Coast Guard airframe.

John C. Dvorak (123:50)

These are first Give him a free voiceover.

Adam Curry (123:52)

I'm doing it now. You're interrupting.

John C. Dvorak (123:54)

I know, but I stepped all over it already.

Adam Curry (123:56)

These are first hand accounts of the stick and rudder flying that happens when the sensors go dark and the missions get real. I love it.

John C. Dvorak (124:07)

Yeah. You nailed it.

Adam Curry (124:08)

Yeah. These, these guys are hard workers. Sir. Tooth Fairy Valparaiso. Valparaiso, I think it is Indiana. $223 associate executive producer. Thank you very much. No note that gives you a double up.

Keith Olbermann (124:21)

Karma.

Adam Curry (124:22)

You've got

Andrea Romero (124:24)

karma.

John C. Dvorak (124:27)

And we have Linda Lupatkin in Castle Rock, Colorado. $200 jobs. Karma for a competitive edge. She writes with a resume that gets results. Go to ImageMakers Inc.com Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage. That's Image Makers Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs, writer of winning resumes Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

Andrea Romero (124:53)

Let's vote for jobs.

Adam Curry (124:57)

And we got Juliana Lee coming in from Boonesborough, Maryland with 200. A final associate executive producer. No need to read this note on the show. Well, that's too enticing. But I have a TV show tip for you. Oh, okay. If you do watch the shows and enjoy them, suggest you recommend them on the tip of the day. Okay, Here the collection is Walter presents on British channel. Four excellent European shows. Deutschland 83, 86 and 89 is about young eastern Germany spy, German spy in Berlin during the Cold War. The Ring is a Dutch thriller about a woman that gets involved in a murder. And Seaside Hotel, an idyllic Danish drama. Are these with subtitles? I can't do that. I need like, I need English.

John C. Dvorak (125:46)

Well, you know what is pretty good is some of the stuff that comes out of Australia. The Australian mysteries that are kind of fashioned after British, you know, Masterpiece Theater stuff. It's. It's decent. Their story lines are good. They have. The acting is excellent and which is a real problem with most stuff nowadays. The acting stinks.

Adam Curry (126:07)

Still pretty pathetic. That, that. There's nothing. There's nothing. We got so many streaming things like, ah, this looks like it's not going to be any good. Thank you.

John C. Dvorak (126:16)

So I started watching season three of the Diploma Diplomat.

Adam Curry (126:20)

Oh, no. Eh, I like.

John C. Dvorak (126:23)

The first episode was excellent.

Adam Curry (126:25)

It falls apart.

John C. Dvorak (126:28)

Okay, well, we'll see. I haven't gotten to it falling apart yet. I'm stretching it.

Adam Curry (126:34)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (126:35)

In other words, I'm not sitting and watching a whole episode. I watch like a third.

Adam Curry (126:39)

Oh, you stretch the episodes you cut in this episodes. Interesting.

John C. Dvorak (126:44)

No, it stretches it out to something more reasonable. Then, you know, here's our season six episodes. You're out of here. We'll see you in five years when we come back with another six episodes. We like to put so much effort into it.

Adam Curry (126:57)

Where's paradise? Bring that back. Hey, I'm telling you. Breakdown 1975.

John C. Dvorak (127:03)

I'll check it out.

Adam Curry (127:04)

I think you'll enjoy it from historical perspective. Thank you to these executive and associate executive producers of the best podcast in the universe. Today's episode 1,800, 845, brought to you in part by these excellent producers. We'll thank the rest of our producers $50 and above. In our second segment, go to noagendadonations.com return the value in the value for value. This show comes to you completely uninterrupted by any commercial notifications except some pilot thing. You can get a letter from him. And oh, you know, I got a I should mention as a testimonial, I got a note from one of our producers. I recently was contacted by a headhunter for a director position at a biotech company. It seemed really cool at first and then things started to smell fishy. I panicked and I called Linda Lupatkin and while I have not yet utilized her amazing services, she helped me determine this was indeed a scam. We were hilarious on the phone saying things like ITM and connection is protected protection. I was incredibly embarrassed when I asked her for her email and we both laughed about it. Just wanted to let you know I appreciate the no Agenda community and I'm so happy we can look out for one another. That's the kind of producers we have on this show. No agenda donations.com any amount, any frequency for your recurring donation. And thank you to these outstanding producers.

John C. Dvorak (128:26)

Our formula is this.

Adam Curry (128:28)

We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Shut up slave.

John C. Dvorak (128:41)

Shut up slave.

Adam Curry (128:48)

Let's talk about Iran for a second.

John C. Dvorak (128:50)

Yeah, I have one short clip that could be a good introduction because it's only, all right, shorty on Iran.

Adam Curry (128:56)

Short. Does it say shorty on IR Iran? Yeah, it does say that. Wow.

Andrea Romero (129:00)

President Trump says he hasn't decided on whether the US Will launch military strikes on Iran. But while he weighs his options, the military buildup in the Mideast over the past few months means the US has an expansive naval and air presence in the area. NPR's Greg Myre says Trump has a range of options now that US Forces reached a critical mass in the region. But Trump so far, far hasn't outlined his plans on a possible attack.

Adam Curry (129:28)

This has been a very different approach than we've seen from other presidents in the run up to wars. Trump, for example, hasn't made a major speech to the American people about the prospect for a new Middle east war.

John C. Dvorak (129:40)

Though his State of the Union address is on Tuesday, his administration hasn't sought

Adam Curry (129:45)

support from Congress or made the case at the United Nations. And aside from Israel, the president hasn't sought to bring in U.S. allies or build an international coalition. Coalition Imperial's Greg Myreporting well, having been on the road, I have the advantage of having picked up a few clips before today's program, even before the weekend. Clip clip Collector Steve sent me this one on Thursday. This is the outstanding work from the Barry Weiss newsroom at cbs. We turn now to the Middle east and the breaking news tonight. A potential military strike on Iran could happen as soon as Saturday, according to to top national security officials. President Trump has already positioned US Warships and fighter jets in the region as nuclear talks continue with Iran. Senior White House correspondent Ed o' Keefe has the latest. Ed, good evening. What are you hearing, Tony? Sources tell CBS News the president hasn't yet made a final decision on whether to strike. Conversations about potential military action are described as fluid and ongoing. As the White House weighs the political and military risks of escalation, the president. President has said he would consider strikes if Iran doesn't agree to curb its nuclear weapons program. The Pentagon is moving some personnel temporarily out of the Middle east region over the next three days. They're headed primarily to Europe or back here to the US Ahead of any potential action or counterattacks by Iran. So, you know, if you look on social media, you've got the obligatory, oh, the troops are getting steak and lobster dinner. That means it's coming on, it's going to happen. It's all over. What's going to happen? I reached out to Sir Brian of London. Wait, wait.

John C. Dvorak (131:18)

So the. So if they get steak and lobster, they go to war?

Adam Curry (131:21)

Oh, you've never heard this?

John C. Dvorak (131:23)

No, I've never heard this.

Adam Curry (131:24)

Oh, this meme keeps popping up. I'm sure we've talked about it. I'm sure.

John C. Dvorak (131:29)

Maybe lobster.

Adam Curry (131:30)

Let me see. Yeah, here's a. This was a. This is from. I don't know when it's from. This is a while back.

John C. Dvorak (131:38)

So there's videos going viral of the

Adam Curry (131:40)

US Military being served steak and lobster

John C. Dvorak (131:44)

all over social media.

News Reporter (131:45)

If you're familiar with the military, you

Adam Curry (131:48)

know about the steak and lobster. Are we about to be in the

John C. Dvorak (131:52)

middle of a conflict?

Adam Curry (131:54)

I would like any military personnel I've never asked this question to immediately text me, signal me, email me if this is true. I believe it's bullcrap. But, you know, whenever there's an imminent attack or something's happening, happening.

John C. Dvorak (132:11)

Well, first of all, you're dealing with shellfish. You can make people sick. You don't want to even take a chance on this.

Adam Curry (132:17)

I think that is excellent point.

John C. Dvorak (132:19)

One of my rules about flying. Don't eat the shrimp.

Adam Curry (132:23)

No, no. And certainly no sushi. No.

John C. Dvorak (132:26)

Oh, God. What airplane serves sushi? That's for sure. Do not eat sushi on an airplane

Adam Curry (132:32)

or a gas station or, or at the airport. Like sfo. SFO has a sushi. Sushi. Sushi joint. There are lots of sushi joints at airports.

John C. Dvorak (132:40)

Actually, there's a sushi joint at Heathrow that is a killer.

Adam Curry (132:46)

There's a oyster and caviar bar at

John C. Dvorak (132:48)

jfk, that's what you want. I mean, that'll make you sick, too, but at least you got caviar.

Adam Curry (132:56)

PBS NewsHour had some relatively good or detailed just they had information on the negotiations, let me put it that way.

Andrea Romero (133:04)

The US And Iranian officials met yesterday to continue negotiating negotiations over that country's nuclear program. What have we learned about how that negotiation went?

Adam Curry (133:13)

An Iranian official and a regional official both confirmed to me tonight that Iran has made this a pause in domestic enrichment of uranium to produce nuclear fuel through the end of the first Trump administration entering into some kind of regional consortium for enrichment in the future. And three, exporting or diluting the highly enriched uranium that's once step away from weapons grade that the US bombed last summer. In exchange, Iran would ask for sanctions relief and open up to US Investment officials tell me the US has made a counteroffer and continues to insist that Iran permanently give up any ability to enrich uranium domestically. And today we heard from White House spokesperson Caroline Levitt hinting at that ongoing impasse.

Andrea Romero (133:57)

There was a little bit of progress.

Adam Curry (133:58)

What?

John C. Dvorak (133:59)

I'm sorry, I was just gonna say that. What kind of. We encourage investment, but when Trump gets out, we're changing everything. How does that work? They expect to get investment with that strategy.

Adam Curry (134:10)

Well, I don't think this is about nuclear at all. That's a cover.

John C. Dvorak (134:15)

Yeah,

Adam Curry (134:17)

let's listen to the lady.

Andrea Romero (134:20)

There was a little bit of progress made, but we're still very far apart on some issues. I believe the Iranians are expected to come back to us with some more detail in the next couple of weeks. And so the President will continue, continue to watch how this plays out.

Adam Curry (134:32)

So the way I see it, we're positioned there in the Straits of Hormuz. Iran has already done a live fire exercise. So the whole point is no Chinese ghost ships with your oil. We're going to catch them. We're right here. We're the only place you can get them out. No more Chinese, no more oil going to China. Instead, as I understand it, the deal let our companies come in and do business with you. And I think that they are interested in that. I really do.

John C. Dvorak (135:05)

Well, there's more money in it for them because the Chinese buy always best price. They're always going for the low ball. These poor guys that Venezuelans were getting screwed in the Chinese deal.

Adam Curry (135:16)

So whenever I see all these numbers of 60% enrichment, 40% enrichment. That's your negotiating tactic? That's what it is. Here's the deal is still lopsided. Here's pbs. The US has deployed what the President calls an armada to the region, including the US's largest aircraft carrier and strike group, dozens of additional fighter jets. Former officials, analysts telling me the US is capable of delivering a strong blow against Iran but will find it difficult to defend itself and allies from a big Iranian response.

Andrea Romero (135:46)

What do those former officials and analysts tell you about the chance of a deal?

Adam Curry (135:49)

Exactly what Secretary of State Marco Rubio has said in the last couple days. It is very difficult because the US demands are larger than what Iran is willing to concede. Iran will simply not give up. That's that right for domestic enrichment, says former State Department official and current distinguished diplomatic fellow at the Middle East Institute Alan Iyer. What they see is any, any capitulation in the face of pressure will invite further aggression. What they're doing now is they're getting ready to take, take a hit. You know, satellite imagery is showing this, open press reporting is showing this. I'm sure intelligence is reporting this. While they're continuing negotiations with the us they fully expect these negotiations not to result in a deal and they are preparing themselves for a massive US military attack. Here's what I think this is. I think that the U.S. state Department and Trump and the Iranians have already agreed it's much better for you to sell the oil to us, let us come in there, let our American companies in and this whole thing is a face saving exercise towards the Chinese so they can say hey I'm sorry Xi like you know, they were going to blow us up up so we had to do this.

John C. Dvorak (137:14)

There could also be a fake blow up. You know, they could drop some bombs in the desert.

Adam Curry (137:19)

Well yes and because that's the, and

John C. Dvorak (137:23)

we're sticking with the two of us.

Adam Curry (137:25)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (137:25)

Both subscribe to the idea which is a Middle Eastern idea amongst Middle Eastern

Adam Curry (137:30)

observers, Iranians from actual living in Iranis

John C. Dvorak (137:34)

that we've been in cahoots with the Iranians forever for the entire era of our show.

Adam Curry (137:40)

So when Margaret Brennan has the Iranian foreign minister on and again it's about all of a sudden we're back to enrich. There was look, we blowed the stuff up. I'm going to use their term, your term, the blow. We blowed the stuff up and now it's like well you can't enrich anymore. 60%, 50%, 40%, blah blah blah. This is a cover. There was no there where, where are the reports of Iran can have a nuke in one week, one month that stopped. That was, went away. So it hasn't Come back. So this is a cover yet. Okay, but when I heard the Iranian foreign minister this morning, and I have a couple clips, he's playing his side

Andrea Romero (138:24)

of the COVID We have seen very public statements from the president that he said no enrichment. And that's a red line. But when you say it's your right. Okay, but you could get enriched uranium and buy it from someplace else. You know, this, you've done this. Is demanding the right to enrich on Iranian soil really worth the risk? Right now you're facing a potential destruction of your country and the regime based on the kind of military buildup we're looking at.

G (138:57)

Well, I think as a sovereign country, we have every right to decide by a. For ourselves, by ourselves. We have developed this technology by ourselves, by our scientists. And it's very dear to us because we have paid a lot, we have paid a huge expense for that. We have been under sanctions for, for at least 20 years. And we have lost our scientists and we have. We have had a war because of that. So that is now a matter of dignity and tribes for Iranians. And we are not going to give it up. There is no legal reason to do that while everything is peaceful, while everything is safeguarded by the agency. While we had an agreement in the past when we remain fully committed to that, and, you know, it was the US who just withdrew with no justification. So we are a committed member of npt. We want to use our right. We want to have our right and to exercise that.

Adam Curry (139:52)

So I'll make a controversial statement. Statement here, as usual, the United States puts Israel into play to ratchet it up again, again, you know, make it look all that, it's all kind of real. So we all get on edge because, you know, you know, Israel, you know, they dominate you. No, they don't.

Andrea Romero (140:11)

But you understand, this could be. Make it or break it for you here. I mean, look, your air defenses were largely demolished by Israel this past summer. They dominate, dominate your military. They killed the leader of your most powerful proxy in Hezbollah. The United States bombed. Your underground nuclear facility is in shambles right now. So why do you think the regime could even survive unless you give this up?

G (140:40)

Well, that is not the case. When you talked about the air defense and the war we had with Israel, you know, yes, we had problem with our air defense, but Israelis had also problem with their air defense. And our missiles were able to hit targets inside Israel. So it's so, you know, they started the war, but after 12 days, they asked for a ceasefire, unconditional ceasefire. Why because they couldn't defend themselves against our missiles. So we have a very good capability of missiles and now we are even in a better situation situation than previous war. So as a matter of fact, we are in a powerful position to defend ourselves. We know how to defend ourselves. We did it in the, in 12 day war. And we are fully prepared to repeat that if if necessary.

Andrea Romero (141:25)

Respectfully, Israel has air superiority over Iran. But let's talk about what you're, you are saying in terms of our missiles

G (141:33)

has also, our missiles have also superiority over the space of Israel. They can hit their targets. They hit their targets in a very exact way and they can do it again.

Adam Curry (141:45)

And from what I understand that during the 12 day war, 90% of the Iranian missiles were intercepted, which is a fun way of saying 10% made it through. And one of those 10% hit the interceptor missiles that we have given Israel money for to buy from us. And they actually probably don't have the interceptors if Iran went full bore, which I don't expect. But let's ratchet up the anxiety a little bit more.

Andrea Romero (142:17)

Okay. Well, there are 40,000American personnel in the Middle east right now. In Iran's letter to the UN Security Council, you seem to threaten them because you said America will bear full responsibility. You said you don't want war. But if that's what happens, all bases, facilities and assets of the hostile force in the region will be legitimate targets. Are you saying Iran will hit US bases in the Gulf or will you also bomb the Gulf countries that are your neighbors?

G (142:46)

Well, I'm not going to say what we are going to do exactly. No, obviously we defend ourselves. If the US Attacked attacks us, then we have have every right to defend ourselves. If the US attacks us, that is the act of aggression. What we do in response is the act of self defense and it is justifiable and legitimate. So our missiles cannot hit the American soil. So obviously we have to do something else. We have to hit the Americans base in the region. That is a fact. I am a diplomat. I'm not supposed to talk about, you know, our military plans. But what can I say is that why we should go for war when there is every possibility for a peaceful solution.

Adam Curry (143:33)

So here's how I see the deal structured. Let's make a lot of noise. You're right. Maybe we lob a couple of bombs in the desert, they come to the table. Oh, okay, all right, you can, because Trump wants to do business there. He wants the total oil dominance with a fair deal deal, quote unquote. So Our American companies go in, we start pumping some of that stuff because we know we're out of it here in America. Just no one wants admitted except for the oil baron. And then you know what? Because China will have to go away. You know what? China's gonna get a soft. No military takeover of Taiwan. We have nothing in the region. Everything's been moved out. It won't be like we're taking over. They'll just move in like, hey, we're here, it's okay, everyone's fine. Taiwan is governmentally in a mess right now. I think it's a three part deal. I think Xi may be in on it too. How about that?

John C. Dvorak (144:32)

Well, that's pretty radical. I don't know if the Taiwan thing's going to go over, but then again, maybe that's why AOC couldn't answer the question at the Munich security conference, because she was, was briefed. I actually have a clip on the exact plot you're talking about. And so she was, she was.

Adam Curry (144:53)

That's why she was stumbling. I have a 27 second that this is.

John C. Dvorak (144:57)

By the way, that's a stretch. My, that thesis, I just said is a stretch.

Adam Curry (145:02)

But that, that part, you took it way too far.

John C. Dvorak (145:06)

I like it. I'm over. I'm over the. I'm out of control.

Adam Curry (145:10)

You're over your skis. I like where we ended. There is one, one thing though. So I contact Sir Brian of London because we're about to go with a church group, go visit Israel next week. And. And Sir Brian of London says, I said, what's the vibe? He's in Tel Aviv. He said, the vibe is it's not when we will be hit by missiles, not if, but when. I'm like, okay. He says, but, you know, we're all out here partying on the beach. We're not worried about it. It's life and Israel. And so I'm thinking, you know, we're about to go. We're the youngest people probably in this group. There's people in their 70s, upper 70s. And I call Pastor Jimmy. I said, bro, listen, you know, we don't want like we're in a hotel and an air raid siren goes off at night.

John C. Dvorak (146:06)

That'd be great.

Adam Curry (146:07)

No, for me, yeah, you know, that'd be great. Fine. I went to Iraq in 2003. I'm not that worried about it. And if something happens, I know where I'm going. But that, but like, people get worried about this stuff. They get all keyed up. They won't be able to Enjoy it. So we, we've delayed until October, which I think is a good decision. Although. What? Yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (146:29)

Oh, I was, I was looking forward to broadcasting live from the war zone. Yeah. Seriously.

Adam Curry (146:37)

Me too. Me too. Well, well, you know, you got to understand older people. We have a couple guys on the security team that have the head on the swivel the whole time. You know, like, who's that guy? What's he got? I don't need this Ajita in my life. I just want to go see where Jesus walked. I don't want to be worried about my fellow travelers. So, yeah, you're stuck with me.

John C. Dvorak (146:59)

Just take a trip by yourself and you get Brian of London there and the place is great. If you have somebody show you around.

Adam Curry (147:06)

Oh, I'm, look, I'm still looking forward to going. And Mossad said that the money bags will be good. They said they'll give it to me later. So Jew money is still good.

John C. Dvorak (147:15)

Yeah. Where's that Jew money? I haven't seen it on the spreadsheet,

Adam Curry (147:21)

but I think that's in play. I think that I really. That feels like what's going on? Because this whole nuclear thing came out of nowhere. Nowhere. After we blew everything up. And then, well, they're still in enriching. And as Margaret said, you can buy it. So this has to be a face saving maneuver and we'll know. It was really that if, if, if Xi kind of walks into Taiwan and says, hey, you know, we're here to straighten stuff out.

John C. Dvorak (147:48)

Well, I think that they're going to have to. If he's not going to walk into Taiwan while Trump's in office, it's going to have to be staged for after 20, 20, 28. Not on my watch. I'm absolutely sure that's part of the deal.

Adam Curry (148:03)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (148:04)

Possibly because Trump doesn't like that because he's made this big fuss about it. Wouldn't have started the war in Ukraine if I wasn't president. It wouldn't have done this if I was president. And then talking about. I do have just a side clip here about Epstein. So I've been watching and I have some clips. I'm not going to play them today. I'll play them on this next show. They're pretty interesting. But this way. So I'm watching, I'm, I'm. Since I had a day off, I'm screwing around, watching a lot of Rumble live stuff

Adam Curry (148:37)

and Keith Olbermann apparently.

John C. Dvorak (148:40)

So I'm watching the Rumble stuff.

Adam Curry (148:43)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (148:43)

And there's this woman who I guess Was a. Was been around for a long time. I've heard of her, but I haven't heard her named Wendy Bell. A talk. A talker. Right wing talker. That's been. She's now got a show in Philadelphia and they played the show, and I don't have the one. I have one clip. I could have gotten another clip where she. Because what she's doing, she plays the radio show, her radio show, live on Rumble. And then when they break for commercials, she's doing like a second show.

Adam Curry (149:16)

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's not uncommon. I've seen.

John C. Dvorak (149:18)

No, it's not uncommon at all. And I don't know know who. I think Rush Limbaugh pioneered.

Adam Curry (149:23)

Or maybe Joe Pags does that. Paglia. Joe Paglia.

John C. Dvorak (149:26)

A lot of people do it. It's a good idea. But she does asides that are way off from. The show's radical enough. But when she does the asides, they're interesting. And one of them that she did, which I'm not playing, I'm playing the second one, the Epstein one, she goes off on Newsmax because she used to be a talker there. And so she was at Newsmax and she goes off on him saying, newsmax wouldn't let me talk about the stolen election in 2020. If I even brought it up, I'd get fired. They wouldn't let me talk about COVID at all. I couldn't even discuss any of it. And I just thought that was pretty telling about Newsmax. You know, it's supposed to be such a right wing operation, but here she is doing an aside. They're at commercial break, and she's talking with the engineer slash producer like they like to do. And they're talking about Bongino and Cash Patel going on Fox and here's how this thing goes, right?

Andrea Romero (150:26)

And so when he and Dan. And Dan Bongino came out in that Fox News interview, wasn't it Fox? And they looked at the camera and you're like, that's. And you're like, that's total. They both look like they had seen a ghost. Particularly Bongino. Both of their eyes don't lie. Like you could tell because they were like, jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. And we're like, it looked like a

Adam Curry (150:49)

hostage visit video, right?

Andrea Romero (150:50)

I was like, that's kind of messed up. Like anybody else not believe that, huh?

Adam Curry (150:57)

A lot of new eyes. If you're new, follow. Give us a follow.

Andrea Romero (151:00)

Hey. And hit the Rumble button. We appreciate that. Glad to be with you guys. Thank you.

Adam Curry (151:04)

Hit the rumble button.

Keith Olbermann (151:06)

But.

News Reporter (151:06)

Right.

Andrea Romero (151:07)

So what if it, like, we've already chewed here on the very, I think, shared reality. We all have. The dude's not dead. Jeffrey Epstein not dead.

John C. Dvorak (151:17)

Please.

Andrea Romero (151:18)

It's like the worst suicide ever. It's the worst freaking suicide ever.

Adam Curry (151:22)

You mean like a suicide, like shooting yourself in the back of the head.

Andrea Romero (151:26)

That's right.

Adam Curry (151:26)

And stabbing yourself like 800 right back

Andrea Romero (151:29)

here with a knife in her.

Adam Curry (151:32)

You know, so, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (151:34)

So I'm at the dinner table with all the kids, and there's not one person at the table doesn't think the same thing.

Adam Curry (151:40)

Oh.

John C. Dvorak (151:41)

So, Tina, the millennials all think he's alive. And of course, I think, I kind of think so, too, because of the passports that he had. They found one passport from a phony passport, but he could have had 20 for all we know.

Adam Curry (151:53)

Sure. Well, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, you know, of course.

John C. Dvorak (151:59)

But also, you know, in that interview, I thought about this. They, they, they said, no, no, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. That the question was never asked.

Adam Curry (152:08)

Are you.

John C. Dvorak (152:09)

Is he dead?

Adam Curry (152:10)

Oh, there's lots of discrepancies with tattoos on his arm and the way his face looked and the fact I had a picture of him owned. All on the gurney. But what. Tina, who. Who really is withdrawn from news feeds, although she has had some dynamite cottage cheese recipes. She says she is. She is convinced that Patel and Bongino were told, this is what you say, or we're going to kill your family. She's convinced of it.

John C. Dvorak (152:46)

Like Wendy said, it looked like a hostage video. It did, yeah.

Adam Curry (152:51)

Yeah, it did. Anyway, a lot of noise about Stephen Colbert not being allowed to air an interview with this Talarico guy. Texas, Dallas Democrat. And, and the way it's played so far has been, you know, this is fcc and this is censorship from the top and bra. And this is global news from Canada. Who had, I think, a little better report of what exactly went down. Guess who's running afoul of his network and the Trump administration again? It's me, Stephen Colbert. Hang in there, buddy. A day before Colbert suggested he was barred by his CBS bosses from airing an interview with Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Talarico after Brendan Carr, chair of the Federal Communications Commission, a Trump appointee, questioned the exemption whereby talk shows are not required to offer equal time to political rivals. Colbert's take. Donald Trump's administration wants to silence anyone who says anything bad about Trump on TV because all Trump does is watch TV. So Colbert ran the interview on YouTube, where Telorico also took aim at the White House. Now they're trying to control what we watch, what we say, what we read. And this is the most dangerous kind

Keith Olbermann (154:15)

of cancel culture, the kind that comes from the top.

Adam Curry (154:18)

The next day, CBS issued a statement that Colbert read saying that he was not prohibited from showing the interview, which could trigger the the FCC equal time rule. The show was presented options to provide equal time for others. I am well aware that we can book other guests. The FCC chair recently explained the need to update the rules for broadcasters. Congress was clear that the FCC has

John C. Dvorak (154:41)

a role with respect to bonafide news.

Adam Curry (154:43)

They were worried that TV programmers would broadly take advantage of trying to claim they were bonafide news when they weren't. But one FCC commissioner calls it corporate capitulation. Anna Gomez stated, the FCC has no lawful authority to pressure broadcast broadcasters for political purposes or create a climate that chills free expression. That's been the worry for fans who protested last summer after CBS and parent company Paramount canceled Colbert as of this spring. As for the Talarico interview, millions have clicked on YouTube to see it.

Andrea Romero (155:17)

Stephen Colbert making headlines.

Adam Curry (155:19)

Stephen Colbert.

Keith Olbermann (155:20)

Stephen Colbert.

Andrea Romero (155:20)

Stephen Colbert. Stephen Colbert.

Keith Olbermann (155:22)

Colbert.

John C. Dvorak (155:22)

Somebody that popular should get their own talk show.

Adam Curry (155:25)

Colbert's point. He's losing his talk show in three months. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (155:33)

It sounds like the whole thing was schemed.

Adam Curry (155:35)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (155:36)

Of course, you got more views on YouTube and they're still getting views.

Adam Curry (155:39)

Of course. And that guy is nuts. That Talarico guy.

John C. Dvorak (155:42)

Yeah, he's running. He's for Senate in the primary. Against Jasmine Crockett.

Adam Curry (155:48)

Yes, against Crockett. Rocket. Yeah. Which he may win.

John C. Dvorak (155:52)

Well, he might, but doesn't mean he's going to win the.

Adam Curry (155:54)

Oh, no, not the seat. No, he'll. In the primary. Primary.

John C. Dvorak (156:00)

Yeah, he might win. I wouldn't vote for her.

Adam Curry (156:02)

I have Osterholm about the MRNA shot. I don't know if you're interested in that or. I have. Yeah, I don't know if I have anything. Yeah, I got. Yeah. This. Another one of your predictions comes true yet again as this continues to happen.

John C. Dvorak (156:27)

Monoroll.

Adam Curry (156:27)

Yeah. In heartbreaking testimony, students who were shot

John C. Dvorak (156:30)

in their classroom at Appalachia high school

Adam Curry (156:32)

in September 2024 recounted the horrifying moments. Colin Gray's son Colt allegedly opened fire. Prosecutors charged gray with nearly 30 counts, including second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. During opening statements Monday, the prosecutors alleged gray bought the AR15 style rifle and

John C. Dvorak (156:52)

ammunition that his son used to kill

Adam Curry (156:55)

four people and injure nine others. You can guess what's happening. The parent.

John C. Dvorak (157:01)

Can I.

Adam Curry (157:01)

The Father's gonna go to jail.

John C. Dvorak (157:04)

Yeah, well that should. This should have started years ago.

Adam Curry (157:07)

So I think we can conclude that the next very sad trans person that does something, shouldn't the parents also go to jail?

John C. Dvorak (157:20)

Absolutely.

Adam Curry (157:21)

I don't, I don't know if it's. I got a boots on the ground which was just so sad. Let me read this. Unemployed ER nurse here again working in a college town in the largest ER in, in half the the state. I see a lot of trans people. I believe the 41% number to be low. A brief look at it says it is self reported and only adults. I think this is a suicide rate from the last show. I think it could count on two hands. The ones that I've worked with who haven't had an attempt but usually they try over and over. It is truly heartbreaking to see how these mentally ill people have been lied to. I used to laugh at them until. Until I met them. They are unwell and pitiful. It is to the point where if someone is trans and there and at the ER for a medical issue the management will immediately put them in the psych area because much like an intoxicated person, it is very rare for them to go through a whole visit without it turning into a suicidal ideation visit. I've seen many who are post op and have continual infections and their anatomy has changed and so imaging is rarely diagnosed diagnostic in that it's an infection or just a resectioned colon. There are very few places for them to turn to help. The system is fine making them trans but not prepared to offer health care for their newly altered bodies. I believe suicide is a much higher number and all of the teens that transition are going to get strung out on drugs and alcohol once they hit late 20s and early 30s. I would expect another large increase in suicide sides. What a travesty.

John C. Dvorak (158:56)

Yeah, and the liberals are still sticking to it. Sticking to their guns. I know.

Adam Curry (159:00)

I know so well.

John C. Dvorak (159:02)

I do have one last clip for the. For the. Before the break of the Gen Z. This is a new comment. There's a new. Maybe a phrase or something in this clip that's something that the phrase be

Adam Curry (159:13)

aware of the phrase that pays maybe.

Andrea Romero (159:15)

You know, I may have a goofy ass haircut, but I think my lucky star is every single single day that I'm not a fat balding conservative with those tacky sunglasses in my piece of shit pickup truck.

Adam Curry (159:28)

I misunderstood what happened here.

John C. Dvorak (159:31)

I misunderstood it too.

Adam Curry (159:33)

What's the point of the clip then?

John C. Dvorak (159:35)

I'm trying to figure out Why I clipped that. It's something she said at the beginning.

Adam Curry (159:41)

Let me hear it again. Hold on.

Andrea Romero (159:43)

You know, I may have a goofy ass haircut, but I take my lucky cigars every single day. Single day that I'm not a fat, balding conservative with those tacky sunglasses in my piece of pickup truck.

Adam Curry (159:54)

Possibly.

John C. Dvorak (159:54)

Oh, yeah, okay. She said, I'd like to thank my lucky. It was something. It wasn't lucky. My lucky stories with my lucky was she she dreamed there's a. Afraid they couldn't say. You can't even hear what's hard to get.

Adam Curry (160:06)

Worst. Worst clip ever.

John C. Dvorak (160:08)

Worst clip of the day. We need a jingle agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.

Adam Curry (160:15)

Oh, yeah, that'd be fab. We actually have that.

John C. Dvorak (160:28)

That clip sucks. Yeah. Okay, we should play. I'll get more of those so we can play that more often. But there's something. I'll go back and deconstruct X clip and tell you what the punchline was. I unfortunately did too many clips and I lost track of what's what. I lost track of what these clips are. But we haven't lost track of the people that donate over $50. And that's what we're going to do right now. Thank them, Each and every one of them.

Adam Curry (160:54)

Yes. And let me rack up the spreadsheet. There she is, dame Rita Sparks, NV 168. And she says ITM gents. John, your interviewing skills with Scott Adams brought enlightening results. Adam to see you and hear you on epict. Crossroads. How propaganda was modernized was spot on. Thank you both. Oh, yes, I was on Epic tv.

John C. Dvorak (161:19)

You're on Epic. What is Epic tv?

Adam Curry (161:21)

That's. That's a. I guess a. An online version of ntd. You know, Epic. Epic Times. They have an epoch. I say epic.

John C. Dvorak (161:34)

Is it epoch?

Adam Curry (161:36)

Yeah. I didn't know it was.

John C. Dvorak (161:37)

Oh, good. That's. That's a good catch.

Adam Curry (161:39)

Yeah, the guy interviewed me at nrb had a really nice kid, though. Josh whatever his name was. And I was talking about value for value and he was like, oh, good. Yeah, yeah. Oh, good. Well, I'm glad you saw that, Dan. Rita. Thank you. Mansoor rod in Alpharetta, Georgia. 133. 33. Nathan Cochran, Franklin, Tennessee, from Mercy Me. Go see that new movie of theirs. I can only imagine. Two $123.45 bile. Cameron or Bill perhaps. Charlotte, North Carolina. 105. 35. Keep up the great works, Chance. I think it's bio. Oh, Bill. No, it probably is Bill. He says it right There. Said like Bill, but spelled like bile. Quinterox, Inc. Branson, Florida. Whatever they do, thank you for your $105 donation. David Heen, San Francisco. 101. We've got Diane Carlos from Sacramento, California. 100. Laura Wilson, Sammamish, Washington. 100. Robert Ryan, Norton, Ohio. 100. Ian Fields, parts unknown. 100. Melissa, a trainer from Rocky Hill, Connecticut. 100. And she says we do phenomenal work. And there's as expected and always appreciated, two boob donations from Kevin McLaughlin. He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of America and boobs. He says God bless America. And he says psa. Big or small, we hug them all. Breast Cancer awareness. Ed Guring, Florissant, MO 8008. Also a boob donation. Stefan Truckles, 78. Mark Rudolph, Calcasa, MI 75. Nicholas Larry, Columbus, Ohio 7272. Dame Denise Robertson. Oh, she has a note with 7265. Since she sent in a note, we'll read that. Dear Crackpot and Buzzkill, hope this letter finds you well. I would like to add myself 61 on 2 18. And my smoking hot husband Fred, 54 on 2 4. Little late, but we'll get it to the birthday list, I believe. With this donation I move up the peerage ladder to Baronettis. I would like my new title to be Baronettis. Denise, Queen of the Queen Cobalt programmers, thank you for your attention to this matter. Dame Denise yes, you are the Queen of the Cobalt programmers. And title coming up. Dame Becky Arlington, WA 6996. Christopher Gray, Roscom, MI 69.96. We have 6833 from Dame Rita again. She does a double since we had two shows. You're the best. Thank you, Sir Darius Unity, Charlotte, North Carolina. He is a knight and he says we break for nights. Yes, we do. Humbly requesting a direly needed shout out for war nts.com so I can quit Podcast pirating. W A R N t e e s.com guy's got some great books, photo books. He's a war hero. Go check them out. War NTS.com Michael Formanik, Formanik, Formanik,. Maple Grove, MN 65. A dollar for every inch of my 65 LGO led to TV. Best tip ever, he says. How about that?

John C. Dvorak (164:49)

Yeah, it's a good tip.

Adam Curry (164:50)

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John C. Dvorak (165:33)

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Adam Curry (165:34)

What did I say?

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You said Michigan.

Adam Curry (165:36)

Oh, I said Chicago, Illinois. That's what I meant to say. Andrew Garland, Muncie, Indiana, 5623. Then we have double nickels on the dime for from James Edmondson in South Plainfield, New Journey, New Jersey. Dean Roker and Dean Wicker. David Wicker, sir, by his grace. 55. One double nickels on the dime. Clark farm meat and. What is this? And goods. Clark farm meat and goods.

John C. Dvorak (166:03)

Boom.

Adam Curry (166:04)

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John C. Dvorak (167:58)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (168:00)

Jill Presnell in Wichita, Kansas. 50. And we wind up and wind it out and wind it up and finish it off with Viscountess Knight from Edmonds, Washington. $50.50. Thank you very much to all of these producers for supporting the no Agenda show. You can go to noagendadonations.com and support us anytime you feel like it. That's how value for value works. You feel you got the value, put it into a number, send it off to us. No Agenda donations. You can even do a recurring donation if you feel like that. Any amount, any frequency. And of course, we always love it if you can afford and come in with an executive or associate executive producership. No Agenda donations dot com. And here's our list. A nice one. Dame Denise Robertson wishes Fred a happy birthday. Turned 54 on February 4th. Noah Bob, Scott Mocker, 40. On the 18th, Dame Denise Robertson again. But this time it's for her. She turns 61 on February 18th. Ross Reynolds wishes Mrs. Natalie Reynolds a happy 37th. She celebrated yesterday. Scott Kowalski turns 56 today. Sir Donald Winkler turns 51 today. Andrew Ribby wishes Vaddy Bauckham and John MacArthur a very happy birthday. Emiliano Atencio turns 48. And winding up our list, we say happy birthday to Sir Burns of the good future. Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. And you heard her earlier, Dame Denise Robertson with tons of birthday wishes. And she now becomes a baronetist thanks to her additional support of the no agenda show of 1,000 in aggregate. And she becomes baronetist Denise, Queen of the cobalt programmers. And yes, I said Cobalt because that's a long running joke. Do not need to aim at us that we're stupid. No knights, no dames. That's too bad. Could have used a couple of those. But we do have quite a few of meetup reports. And the first one we have, and these of course are the meetups you can find@noagendameetups.com completely producer organized. No charge to organize, no charge to enter. But you could buy everybody a drink. It's so much fun. Leo Bravo has been doing this for 72 times in a row. Hey everybody, this is Leo Bravo at meetup number 72. I'm here with my friends, they have things to say.

Andrea Romero (170:38)

This is Angie from the ranch. We had a good time over here

Adam Curry (170:40)

at Steelcraft in Long Beach.

Andrea Romero (170:42)

Shout out to My bartender, Scarlett.

Adam Curry (170:45)

Hey, John Adams for Leah Kim Folpoff. Here I am. And why not?

Andrea Romero (170:49)

Dame Laura of the Golden Mean came down from Washington State just to attend the greatest meetup in the universe

Adam Curry (170:58)

and

John C. Dvorak (170:58)

wouldn't have met her if it wasn't for here. So that's cool.

Adam Curry (171:03)

And we have Santa Cruz. They had the clam chowder meetup. I think Sir Julian was at this one.

Keith Olbermann (171:07)

Sir Julian Baron of the Santa Cruz

Adam Curry (171:09)

Mountains here reporting from Santa Cruz beach board where we are having the Santa Cruz clam chowder cook off.

John C. Dvorak (171:16)

No agenda meetup.

Adam Curry (171:17)

Jamming with our clams out. I'll pass it on to the Duke of San Francisco.

Keith Olbermann (171:21)

Clams out indeed.

John C. Dvorak (171:23)

This is a dude named Ben.

Adam Curry (171:24)

Named Ben. And clamming it out and having a great time time with some dudes and some new friends here in Santa Cruz.

Andrea Romero (171:32)

Hi, this is J.C. john. Candace is right.

John C. Dvorak (171:36)

Hi. Joe from Northern Idaho.

Adam Curry (171:37)

Glad to be here.

John C. Dvorak (171:38)

This is Sir Recalcitrant Crazy Steve ii. Adam, you need to get out here.

Adam Curry (171:42)

A dude in a dress made my breakfast burrito, sir. Reese Meister here. Connection is protection in the morning. That's right. Connection is always protection at the no Agenda meetups. Same thing goes for the TMI Winter meetup. Here's their report.

John C. Dvorak (171:58)

This is Chris from the TMI Evac Zone meetup.

Adam Curry (172:01)

Great card game. It was the smoking hot wife card that won the game. This is Jeff in the Morning.

John C. Dvorak (172:10)

This is John Circumference and I am fisting my nuts just like John taught me. Hi, this is Nanakesh in the Morning.

Adam Curry (172:17)

This is Rylan. I'm their server and I'm just hanging out. I love it when you get your servers in there. No agendameetups.com. there's a big one coming up this week. We didn't hear from Eli the coffee guy onto the previous two shows. He probably took a little breather. He's been supporting us every single episode. But he and Darren o' Neal have a meetup coming this week.

Andrea Romero (172:38)

It's the ultimate no agenda meetup with Darren O and Eli the coffee Guy. Hailstorm Brewing, Tinley Park, Illinois. Saturday, March 7th at 1 1pm Be there.

Adam Curry (172:48)

Oh, March 7th. I thought it was this week. March 7th. Okay, there's your promo boys. Also on the way, Dallas, Fort Worth on the 28th, Columbus, Ohio, San Francisco, and Prairieville, Louisiana, all on the 28th. In March, we have Raleigh, North Carolina, Tinley Park, Illinois, Los Altos, California, Eagle, Idaho, Gladewater, Texas, Rockaway, New Jersey, and Franklin, Tennessee. Ooh, Franklin, Tennessee. Many more can Be found including the Osaka, Japan meetup on April 4th by going to noagendameetups.com it's very simple. You just choose a place, choose a time, put it on the calendar. We announce it here. We love it. When you do meetup reports, include your server and tip them well. Connection is protection. These are the people who will be your responders, your first responders. In an emergency. You gotta be stable to be able to do that. Go to noagendameetups.com if you can't find one near you, start one yourself. It's always guaranteed a parte. Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all the nights and days. You wanna be where you won't be triggered on Hell's Lame. You wanna be where everybody feels the same.

John C. Dvorak (174:00)

It's like a party.

Adam Curry (174:01)

We got John's tip of the day coming up as well as some really, really cool end of show mixes we have. You know who's back is Secret Agent Paul. Did a. You know when you mentioned two shows ago that AOC and Ms. South Carolina sounded like each other. Had you seen someone do that or was that of your own accord?

John C. Dvorak (174:29)

I thought about it.

Adam Curry (174:31)

So he didn't see it anywhere? No, because there were like five different podcasts.

John C. Dvorak (174:37)

Oh, yeah. Well, it's obvious. That's why I, you know, because they sound alike.

Adam Curry (174:42)

But it came right on the heels of our show and I'm like, did you guys borrow that? Well, Secret Agent Paul did the best aoc Miss South Carolina mashup.

John C. Dvorak (174:56)

Yeah, that was a good one. I heard it earlier. It's done properly. It was a mixed mix match.

Adam Curry (175:01)

Absolutely the best. Do you have no ISOs?

John C. Dvorak (175:04)

Nope, I didn't. I had all the ISOs last time. You didn't have any. And so I'm giving you the free reign.

Adam Curry (175:08)

Okay. You choose from one of the following two. This is all I got.

Keith Olbermann (175:14)

Wow, that was a wild experience.

John C. Dvorak (175:18)

I like that one.

Adam Curry (175:19)

And that is this one. Oh my God. Your audio is incredible.

John C. Dvorak (175:24)

That's just too much for you? No, that's just you.

Adam Curry (175:28)

All right, we'll do the first one then. Hey, everybody, it's time now for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with jcd.

John C. Dvorak (175:40)

This comes in from a producer and I thought it was worth putting up because these things are normally cost money to have something so complete. This is a files type converter with although I will say there's one file type missing from the. This is every file type. Imagine. We'll take a look at it. The website is a GitHub project, so it's going to have a screwy website. The website is P2R3 and that's P number 2, R number 3, lowercase GitHub IO connect, convert.

Adam Curry (176:25)

Wow, that's more than screwy. Let me see.

John C. Dvorak (176:28)

Yes, I know, it's terrible. It's just.

Adam Curry (176:29)

All right. Okay, convert. So this does the conversion for you or these. Wow, there's a lot here.

John C. Dvorak (176:37)

There's a lot there.

Adam Curry (176:38)

There's hundreds of file types, formats never even heard of.

John C. Dvorak (176:44)

Well, a lot of them I never heard of either. But I will say that anyone who has access to whoever coded this to tell them to put in kd. It's missing.

Adam Curry (176:54)

What's kdc?

John C. Dvorak (176:56)

KDC is an early JPEG format that Kodak used. And KDC stands for Kodak Digital Camera.

Adam Curry (177:05)

Do you still have a floppy somewhere with these KDC pics?

John C. Dvorak (177:10)

I have plenty of KDC files. Yeah, because I was on the stick early in this game.

Adam Curry (177:16)

I was digital before anybody knew what was happening. Happening. That's right. Interesting. And of course, when you drag your file to convert it, he has a copy and. And he can blackmail you later.

John C. Dvorak (177:32)

Yeah, well, that's possible.

Adam Curry (177:33)

I love the fact that there's an advanced mode and it's the same, by the way, it just turns orange.

John C. Dvorak (177:40)

It just changes colors.

Adam Curry (177:42)

Beautiful. There it is, everybody. Find all of Joe john's tips@noagendafun.com or tipoftheday.net.

John C. Dvorak (177:54)

And sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti.

Adam Curry (177:58)

That's right, everybody. Thank you very much, Dana Brunetti, for creating that. We're so lucky. Behind the Schemes is coming up next on the no Agenda stream. If you are going to stick around listening live and end of show mixes, we have Dee's Laughs. We've got MVP and Secret Agent Paul. We got some tributes to the trolls, tributes to the Epstein files, and tributes to AOC in Miss South Carolina. What else do you need? Nothing, I say. Nothing at all. So we'll be back on Thursday to deconstruct the media for you. Who knows, maybe we'll have had some kind of Iranian strike, maybe not. Whatever happens, we'll be here to deconstruct it just for you. And I am coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas, which is just so lovely this time of year. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry,

John C. Dvorak (178:57)

and from northern Silicon Valley, where we're gonna get more rain again onto Tuesday, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (179:03)

Yeah, it's 50 degrees here today. It's kind of chilly. So we'll see you on Thursday. Remember, to support the show@noagendadonations.com we can use all the support that you want to return from the value you receive today. Till then, adios mofos. Who we hooey and such. I see the blue light from the troll room today? Where you shall be opened and ready

Keith Olbermann (179:28)

to start up a foray? You're dissecting the love you're counting the flaws?

Adam Curry (179:33)

With your digital pitchforks and your keyboard claws?

Keith Olbermann (179:37)

You say it's unnatural you say it's a cheat?

Adam Curry (179:40)

While you're rotting away in your ergonomic seat? Oh, you hate my AI Slurp trolls in the dark? Trying to blow out a flame with a cynical spot?

John C. Dvorak (179:51)

You're a jury of losers in a

Adam Curry (179:54)

room with no view? Judging a world that's moved down without you. My vocals are piercing my prisms will win But I'm realer than any skin you're living in. Stay in your basement, stay in your gloom I'm the ghost in your speakers in the troll room in your basement stay in your gloom I'm the ghost in your speakers in the troll room. Would and should the US Actually commit

Andrea Romero (180:32)

US troops to defend Taiwan? You know I think that I personally believe that U S Americans are unable to do so. This is such a. You know I think that this is

Adam Curry (180:53)

a.

Andrea Romero (180:56)

I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and Taiwan. This is of course a. A very long standing policy of the United States and the Iraq everywhere like such as. And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point and I believe that they should. Our education over here in the US should help the US or should help Taiwan and we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research. It should help the Iraq and the Asian countries and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.

Adam Curry (181:43)

Thank you very much South Carolina. Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well. MI6, Mossad, French Foreign Legion in the FFL he couldn't tell he was an asset to many in France, Britain, Hungary and Israel. Ludwig, Hyman Benny he fed the Czech at 16 fearing his safety thinking that he would be caught promising software was backed and sold by the intel with

John C. Dvorak (182:15)

the backdoor to you know who.

Adam Curry (182:16)

Israel started off with the program and pressed a couple more tracks and recruit more Nazi scientists acquiring more businesses. A lot of them failed adding to the stress mentor to Jeffrey Epstein as well. Whoops. Mentor to Jeffrey as well. Businesses were built up, stretching the empire thin. Investments were drying up, including the public offerings. Welcome back to the second home Half the tales get strange and grand We've got the news you won't believe from all across the land the algorithms glitch and bend A digital surprise Another headline makes no sense Right before your eyes it's all part of the narrative Just tune in for the right John and Adam on the case there's nowhere left to hide. Welcome to the second half the tales are strange and grand the news you hear you won't believe from all across across the land the algorithms twist and bend a ditch it while surprised another headline makes no sense Right before your

John C. Dvorak (183:58)

very eyes all part of the narratives

Adam Curry (184:04)

Will settle in for the ride With John and Adam on the case there's nowhere left to hide the static speed sticks and riddles now, the truth is hard to find but we're peeling back the layers of the digital design.

Keith Olbermann (184:36)

Wow.

Adam Curry (184:36)

That was a wild experience.