1847 - "Off-Road"

Summary

No Agenda Show, Episode 1847 – “Off-Road”

Hosts: Adam Curry & John C. Dvorak
Date: March 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of the No Agenda Show offers an in-depth deconstruction of current global events, with a focus on the recent U.S.-led bombing campaign against Iran and the subsequent geopolitical, media, and domestic responses. Adam and John dive into the history of Iran’s regime, discuss regime change mechanics, dissect the media’s narrative, and highlight both informed speculation and the absurdities present in mainstream reporting. Lively banter, incisive analysis, and characteristic irreverence anchor the show throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Bombing of Iran: Context and Reaction

• Event Recap:
  The United States, in coordination with Israel, bombed key sites in Iran, targeting military and strategic infrastructure. The action followed recent escalations and rising tensions in the Gulf.

  • Adam Curry (01:23): “We bombed the hell out of Iran.”
  • John C. Dvorak (01:34): “Yeah, it was the parts that were important.”

• Backlash & Listener Responses:
  Hosts comment on the immediate influx of feedback, with some listeners expecting them to apologize or preemptively criticize military action.

  • John C. Dvorak (02:18): “Give us a chance, will you?”

• Generational War & Debt:
  The hosts discuss how every generation seems born into perpetual war and global debt—contrasting with rare periods like the reign of King Solomon.

  • Adam Curry (03:10): “Korean War.”
  • John C. Dvorak (03:16): “Vietnam War... Every single generation, I give you a war.”

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2. Iran’s Political History and Supreme Leader Khamenei

TRT (Turkish Radio Television) Backgrounder and Timeline

[06:33 – 09:46]

• Khamenei’s religious upbringing, rise to power, and consolidation of Iran’s theocratic system.

• Key milestones:

  • 1979 Revolution
  • Expansion of the Revolutionary Guard
  • Anti-American positioning
  • Nuclear ambitions
  • Internal dissent and Green Revolution (2009)
  • Nuclear deal (2015), Trump withdrawal (2018), collapse of Syrian alliance, second Trump presidency (2025), recent Israeli attack.

• John C. Dvorak (09:54): “His life marked by resistance to the West and dedication to the ideals of the revolution… left his country isolated, unstable and impoverished.”

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3. Deconstructing Narratives: Media & Political Spin

Competing Theories on the Bombing

[10:44 – 16:57]

• Hosts review reactions from commentators like Tucker Carlson, Judge Napolitano, Ray McGovern, and others:
  • Hypotheses range from “US had no choice, Israel would have gone alone” to “planned escalation since Trump entered office,” to theories of “face-saving multilateral intervention.”
  • Adam Curry (15:14): “The thesis is that… we moved stuff there to threaten them, then the Israelis struck, so we had to go in and cover.”

War Powers, Congressional Notification, and the 60-Day Rule

• Detailed breakdown of the legal requirements and procedural mechanics governing presidential war-making authority.
• Discussion of whether Congressional rules were followed and protests from both left and right.

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4. Inside Iran: Leadership Struggle and Potential for Change

Succession Process and Power Vacuum

[26:51 – 30:31]

• Reports on interim leadership: A three-person council will temporarily lead until Iran’s 88-member Assembly of Experts selects a new Supreme Leader.
• Power struggle likely, with IRGC (Revolutionary Guard) poised to assert control.
  • Kian Tajbaksh, Columbia University (27:38): “Over the next week pre-planned scenarios for providing new leadership will be put in place.”
• Anticipation of both regime efforts to restore order and opposition hopes for reform.

Possibility — and Skepticism — of Democratic Reform

• Western commentators and White House messaging emphasize support for “the Iranian people.”
• Skepticism: The practical and historical limitations of “airstrike regime change” repeated by military and media alike; both hosts challenge the axiom.
  • Adam Curry (34:24): “It’s never been tried… you just keep taking out leaders with airstrikes until the right one emerges.”

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5. Foreign Influence: China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia

• China’s Role:
  Discussion of China supplying advanced weapons (notably aircraft-carrier-killer missiles) to Iran, and US attempts to preempt them.

  • Adam Curry (22:57): “China… may have fast-forwarded the Iran war of 2026” by supplying advanced weaponry.

• Venezuela Parallel:
  Recent US regime-change success in Venezuela via behind-the-scenes deals is presented as a model for Iran.

• Saudi Arabia and Regional Powers:
  The role of the Saudis and Gulf states is examined—including their “active” involvement and strategic oil diplomacy.

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6. The Straits of Hormuz & Oil Geopolitics

[44:41 – 45:14]

• Strait of Hormuz blockaded by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard in response to attacks, potentially impacting global oil prices and supply—though mitigated by prior moves to secure Venezuelan oil.

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7. Western and Domestic Political Response

UK and Europe: On the Sidelines

• UK’s Labour leader Starmer is quick to disavow involvement:
  • Keir Starmer (47:13): “The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes…”

U.S. Congress and 2026 Election Cycle

• Rhetorical whiplash as Democrats and Republicans switch traditional stances; antiwar voices and War Powers Resolution proposals from figures like Ro Khanna and Rand Paul.
• Media and public debate oscillate between support, confusion, and demands for clarity.
  • Congressman Seth Moulton (58:01): “I’m glad [Khamenei is] dead. But should we be risking young American lives…?”

“America First” Redefined

• Senator Lindsey Graham (94:10): “America First is to kill people who wish us ill…”

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8. Media Coverage, Propaganda, and Public Mood

• Diverging Narratives:

  • Comparison of foreign and domestic media framing, with BBC, Al Jazeera, TRT, and U.S. networks offering varied perspectives.
  • Alleged U.S. goal becomes to “facilitate” regime change while letting Iranians appear in the lead.

• Public Reaction within Iran:

  • BBC Persian correspondent (97:39): “It’s a celebratory mood in Tehran… people just get out of their cars and start dancing.”

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9. AI in War, Conspiracy, and News Absurdities

• Anthropic’s artificial intelligence used by Pentagon for operational support, sparking civil liberties concerns and contractual disputes.
• AI-generated stories and questionable viral news (e.g., “Panties in a hotel coffee maker” = likely a viral marketing ploy).
• The phenomenon of scripted news, repetition of orthodoxies, and the inability of “experts” to step outside conventional frameworks.

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10. The Epstein Files and Distraction Politics

• Ongoing Congressional hearings draw in figures like Bill and Hillary Clinton, with associated media spin positing an effort to distract from other issues.
• Hillary Clinton (110:49): “I never met Jeffrey Epstein…”
• Media analysis points out the convergence of tabloid, political, and international affairs coverage.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On War's Persistence:
  John C. Dvorak (02:29): “I don’t think there’s been a single generation that hasn’t been born into a world at war and a world in debt.”
• On Media Groupthink:
  Adam Curry (42:55): “So, every single time a new guy pops up, if he’s not the guy, then we bomb him.”
• Lindsey Graham Soundbite:
  Sen. Lindsey Graham (94:10): “America First is to kill people who wish us ill.”
• Iranian Public:
  Khasha Jornadi, BBC Persian (97:39): “Celebratory mood in Tehran... The moment the possibility of death was announced, people just get out of their cars and start dancing.”
• On Regime Change by Airstrikes:
  Adam Curry (34:24): “It’s never been done because it’s never been tried.”
• On Congressional Notification:
  Adam Curry (59:18): “Rules of the War Powers Act… 60 days unless Congress declares war. I think he posted that on X.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:23]: U.S.-Israel bombing Iran, audience reactions.
• [06:33]: History of Khamenei and Iran’s regime (TRT background).
• [10:44]: Competing hot takes – Tucker, Judge Napolitano, Ray McGovern.
• [16:57]: AIPAC, Israeli mobilization, and U.S. political maneuvering.
• [26:51]: Process for succession in Iran; expert commentary.
• [34:24]: Regime change by airstrikes challenged as an “axiom.”
• [44:41]: Closure of the Strait of Hormuz and global oil impacts.
• [47:13]: UK’s Keir Starmer asserts UK’s noninvolvement.
• [54:36]: Ted Cruz and the domestic security angle after the attack.
• [57:43]: Congressman Seth Moulton on Trump, Khamenei, Congress.
• [66:50]: Al Jazeera: “Operation Epic Fury,” briefing Congress, War Powers Act.
• [78:47]: Lindsey Graham’s “Mothership of Terrorism is sinking” routine.
• [97:39]: BBC Persian: On-the-ground celebratory mood in Tehran post-strike.
• [110:49]: Hillary Clinton’s press remarks on Epstein hearing.

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Memorable Running Gags & Banter

• Ridiculing scripted and formulaic news language, e.g., “America First is to kill people...”—Lindsey Graham (94:10).
• Adam and John’s “Ask Adam/John” segments, satirical predictions, and challenges on regime change logic.
• Critique and mockery of mainstream podcast credits vs. No Agenda’s lean, producer-driven operation.
• Recurring lampoon of “Panties in the coffee machine” viral story as AI-generated and possibly a marketing ruse.

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Tone & Style

Conversational, irreverent, satirical, and analytical—a blend of sharp media analysis and playful takedown of both news cycle players and pundits. Hosts switch between gallows humor and earnest historical contextualization, seasoning their insights with personal anecdotes and producer-driven contributions.

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Summary Takeaway

Episode 1847 delivers a complex, deep-dive deconstruction of both the facts and the “spin” behind the U.S.-Israel raid on Iran. Adam and John unravel the web of motivations, speculate about strategic aims, and call out the media’s inconsistencies—and the absurdities that persist even at moments of global crisis. Throughout, they maintain a skeptical, fact-driven approach that both educates and entertains—for listeners skeptical of conventional wisdom, this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

[Adam Curry]

And I just couldn't take it anymore.

[John C. Dvorak]

Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak, it's Sunday, March 1, 2026. This is your award winning Gimbo Nation media assassination episode 1847.

[Adam Curry]

This is no Agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

Saying hello to the new boss. AM broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA region number six in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from northern Silicon Valley, we're all wondering, did I miss something? I'm John C. Dvorak. It's crackpot and buzzkill in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah. Well, that was a little more extreme than I expected. I thought, I'm sorry, I thought we'd just blow some holes in the desert, but we, we went a lot further than I think you and I expected. This was more than a face.

[Adam Curry]

I guess the back channeling wasn't working out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Our back channeling?

[Adam Curry]

Well, both. I mean, you know, we had the assumption that there's back channeling going on in the.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes.

[Adam Curry]

Everybody was in on the deal and guess somebody did something different and wasn't appreciated and the results are obvious.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it was a face saving exercise. Unfortunately, the face had to be saved from multiple locations. Bits and pieces that was pretty extreme. And of course we're talking about.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, for people who just listened to the show cold, who may not know what's going on. We bombed the hell out of Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, out of the, out of parts of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was the parts that were important.

[John C. Dvorak]

The parts, the parts that mattered. And of course my email box is filled with people yelling at me.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's probably, that's probably just

[John C. Dvorak]

too Brutus, really.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, why should they be bothering me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, like you need to apologize to the anti war people. I didn't bomb anybody. It's like now it's my fault.

[Adam Curry]

I got that note too.

[John C. Dvorak]

That was my fault.

[Adam Curry]

You guys, you phonies, you've been being anti war and here you. We didn't even do a show yet. We haven't even done a show.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give us a chance.

[Adam Curry]

And they're telling us what we're going to talk about.

[John C. Dvorak]

Give us a chance, will you? I did get a couple of thoughtful notes. One is like, I don't get it.

[Adam Curry]

A thoughtful note.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's a thoughtful note from younger men. Like, I don't get it. You know, it's like I'm just trying to, to, to get by. I'm a homeowner, I'm trying to do things. And here we are spending money we don't have, bombing Iran, another war. And I was thinking about it, I don't think there's been a single generation that hasn't been born into a world at war and a world in debt. Maybe with the exception of the time of King Solomon. But I mean, you were born in a period of war, were you not? Think carefully before you say World War I. Just think carefully.

[Adam Curry]

Korean War.

[John C. Dvorak]

Korean War. I was born 64.

[Adam Curry]

Vietnam War.

[John C. Dvorak]

Vietnam War. Every single generation, I give you a war.

[Adam Curry]

What? Give me a date, I'll give you a war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. 1850.

[Adam Curry]

Isn't that Crimean war? Wasn't that 18 or wasn't that earlier?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[Adam Curry]

1850. There's a war in 1850, I'm sure of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the point is that this is what it is. And there's this feeling of I deserve better. Yeah, we all deserve better.

[Adam Curry]

And period of peace during Clinton, I think. Wasn't Clinton.

[John C. Dvorak]

Didn't we bomb Kosovo?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's right. And Herzegovina. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[John C. Dvorak]

It wasn't very peaceful over there.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he's also. They also bombed the Chinese embassy during that little fracas.

[John C. Dvorak]

I remember. In fact, that was when I was. It was in the 70s. No, in the 70s. I remember Yugoslavia kicked off too. No. Yeah, yeah, in the mid. Yeah, yeah. When Yugoslavia blew apart and became Bosnia Herzegovina.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, Yugoslavia also became all kinds. Yeah. Croatia, Croatia, Slovenia. Yes, all came out of Yugoslavia. They still love Tito in. In Slovenia. When you go to Slovenia, which is a just order.

[John C. Dvorak]

Beautiful, just order some Tito's vodka and see what happens.

[Adam Curry]

Is Tito, you go to the farmer's market, or not a farmer's market, but the flea market on Sunday along the river there. And there's all these old ladies with. With frame pictures of Tito. I don't know why I didn't buy one.

[John C. Dvorak]

But the point is everyone is born into a world at war and a war and a world in debt. I don't think that has there been ever been a time that the world has not been in some form of debt financing?

[Adam Curry]

The bad damn bankers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, the bankers.

[Adam Curry]

I tell you, those bankers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So that's what it is. And we're going to see if we can deconstruct what is going on in particular in the media. I found from trt, the Turkish radio television outfit, a nice backgrounder on the history of. Of Iran's supreme leader. And I figure if we just start with that. There's even stuff I'd forgotten.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think we do. Have you probably got your. I don't know what you sourced your material from. I got a lot of Al Jazeera stuff, but they got bumped by a lot of BBC. I liked a lot. I liked what the BBC was up to. I don't think our people were doing a very good job.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rarely

[Adam Curry]

Fox and the rest of them, they were just reiterating. So we have stuff that I think probably gives some insight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. And I also have clips from the Sunday talk shows from this morning that'll be a little more au courant, but let's just start with trt. This is a two parter. The history of Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Sayyid Ali Husseini Khamenei was born into a troubled time.

[News Reporter]

1939, Mashahad, Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

World War II raged on Iran's dosage preceding a British and Soviet invasion that installed the young Shah Mohammad Riza Pahlavi on the Peacock throne.

[News Reporter]

Amid the turmoil, the young Khamenei entered

[John C. Dvorak]

the seminary, studying under clerics including Ruhollah Khomeini. Like Khomeini, he believed the clergy's rule was more than religious and joined the opposition against the monarchy. As revolution Swept Iran in 1979, Khomeini fought and won the ensuing power struggle.

[News Reporter]

Khamenei was at his side to establish

[John C. Dvorak]

a new order, the Islamic Republic. And almost a decade later, he succeeded Khomeini as a supreme leader. Under his leadership, the Revolutionary Guard expanded its power and anti American stance. Internal dissent grew. So too did allegations of mass corruption, cronyism and human rights abuses. In 2009, weeks of protest engulfed the country after a disputed presidential election.

[News Reporter]

Khamenei sided with the incumbent president Ahmadinejad against the protesters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Meanwhile, Iran's domestic nuclear program was gathering pace, raising concerns that it could soon develop an atomic bomb.

[Adam Curry]

I repeat that the Islamic Republic of Iran is not developing capabilities for nuclear weapons, but also will not overlook the rights of its people and their need for access to peaceful nuclear energy.

[John C. Dvorak]

And this is about. So the show had started. We were doing the show. We were there during the 2009, I think. Wasn't that the Green Revolution? They tried to get it going.

[Adam Curry]

Exactly. The Green Revolution during Obama, Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who?

[Adam Curry]

Obama, looking back on it, has said he missed the boat on that deal.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is the time that he

[Adam Curry]

would have liked to have helped.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Israelis came into play. Israel threatened to take military action, but President Obama pursued a diplomatic path to constrain the Iranian program. Those efforts bore fruit in 2015 in the form of a deal to curb Iran's nuclear activities in return for sanctions relief. Khamenei backed the deal, which alleviated some of Iran's economic distress. But in 2018, President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement and imposed a maximum pressure campaign of economic sanctions. Iran did not bow to Trump ratcheting up its nuclear program. At the same time, the Iranian economy collapsed and there was an explosion of domestic unrest after a girl was killed by security forces in 2022. Iran backed Hamas during Israeli's assault on Gaza that started the following year. But Hezbollah, Tehran's ally, was weakened by an Israeli offensive in 2024, and Iran's longtime partner, the Assad regime in Syria, fell from power, delivering another blow to Tehran's regional position. Trump took office for the second time in 2025, seeking a new day with Tehran. But talks ended abruptly after Israel attacked Iran in June.

[Adam Curry]

Certainly the armed forces of the Islamic Republic will inflict heavy blows on this weak enemy. The nation stands with us.

[John C. Dvorak]

It stands behind the armed forces and Islamic Republic and God willing, will overcome the Zionist regime.

[Adam Curry]

The dear people should notice, be assured and rest easy that there will be

[John C. Dvorak]

no leniency in this regard. His life marked by resistance to the west and dedication to the ideals of the revolution he helped lead. But that same attitude left his country isolated, unstable and impoverished. There you go. That's a very short history from Turkish radio television. And the response to this is quite interesting. We have. Well, of course, Lindsey Graham is just Lindsey Graham.

[Adam Curry]

We can't. We shouldn't even include him.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's sliding across the floor out of wetness. He's so happy. He's so jealous. I do have clips from him this morning. We can play him later if we. If we want. If we want to laugh.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I got one more backgrounder that would probably be good, which is the npr. See, I'm looking at my clip list. He's got a lot of Iranian clips here. Iranian. There was one here that was a NPR background. Or npr. I don't know. I can't figure out what I'm doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this is rocking and rolling, baby. You don't know. You don't know where it is. Well, let me look. Let me help you out.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you can usually find my clips better than I can, which I find embarrassing, by the way, but I decided to just put up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that is only if you. If you titled npr. We have. I don't know. You got a lot of NPR here. You got all kinds of stuff.

[Adam Curry]

I thought there was a backgrounder. It should say backgrounder.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't see any backgrounder.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, we'll just skip it move ahead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Background. No. You have no backgrounder. Well, I was going to say the, the opinions range from I told you so, he's taking us back into another war to this is no Iraq 2.0. I thought Tucker's take was so typical. Tucker. TUCKER Carlson, so typical, which is another take, which is out there, which I'm sure.

[Adam Curry]

Can I mention another take that I followed up on? There's a bunch of communists and it turns out that Ray McGovern seems to be in this group and I would include Judge Napolitano, and they all had a take on this. And they there's a very negative side to a lot of this because I see the whole thing as being planned out from the day Trump got in office, when he went to the Middle East.

[John C. Dvorak]

I would say even, yes, he went to Saudi Arabia.

[Adam Curry]

Venezuela was made buddies with, with the Saudi guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, well, there's, there's your difference right there. First of all, the Saudis were not passive. They were active in this. Everybody was seemingly on our side. This was also not run from the Situation Room in the White House. This was run from Mar a Lago, which tells me the president kept this very quiet with a very small group and didn't want to. I mean, how quiet was the double armada? But, you know, the timing of everything was not going to take place from the White House for, I guess, obvious stooge and spy reasons. But here's the one from, and this may be closer to what you were talking about from Judge Knapp and those guys. This is Tucker's take. Iraq was a true disaster, and Trump was the first big political candidate to say that out loud. He knows this. He always has. So why would he even be considering a war with Iran? Well, one way to think about it is the United States may not have a choice about whether or not this war starts, because, of course, the government of Benjamin Netanyahu could always act unilaterally, preemptively against Iran and just do it, just strike Iran. What would happen then?

[Adam Curry]

Well, most likely the Iranians would strike Israel and then potentially strike American assets

[John C. Dvorak]

in the Gulf and then potentially strike energy facilities in the Gulf. And the United States would be, by definition, drawn in. So it's possible that the US Government, while not anxious to go to war with Iran, is trying to find a way to contain the behavior of its

[Adam Curry]

closest ally, Israel, rather than sit back

[John C. Dvorak]

and wait for Bibi to do something that we have to clean up, that we're implicated in and then sucked into. It's possible that the US Government is attempting to steer this in a less destructive direction. It's possible. None of this, of course, is filtered

[Adam Curry]

down to people paying attention because the few who are paying attention to this

[John C. Dvorak]

because all the noise has been about Iran's nuclear weapons. They're on the verge of building a

[Adam Curry]

nuclear weapon any day now.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a disappointing take from Tucker because the one thing we definitely noticed is that that wasn't happening. There wasn't a. The bomb is coming next week. None of that was happening. And if Tucker's takeaway is, oh, well, Israel was going to do it, so we had to jump in. Come on.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that falls in line with another thesis that's out there, which is that we. Assuming that we moved all the stuff there for no good reason, by the way. But it has to make. You have to make a lot of leap of faith to accept any of this. And of course, the people that dislike our show will groan when I come up with this one. But the thesis is that, oh, well, we moved this stuff into, you know, to kind of threaten them, but we didn't. We just wanted to do negotiations. And then the Israelis struck. They jumped the gun and we had to go in and claim that we were part of it to make it look okay. So we weren't. So it wasn't so obvious that they're. That is, Israel's telling us what to do. That thesis is out there. And that's. That's actually very prevalent.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And what I find interesting is that aipac, with all its power, has not already organized all of their controlled congressmen, congresswomen and senators to declare war.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. They're calling them. That hasn't happened. The other thing is the Israelis have mobilized 100,000 of the IDF. We've lost three people by some sort of accident. We haven't really, you know, for the Israelis that are telling us what to do, they're the ones getting killed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's always that. But I'm specifically. Because you know this.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Where's the media?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Or the rest of it. Where's. Yeah. All these, all these, these people that have sold out to Israel because they're telling us what to do. How come they're not all doing it actively as we speak.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And it makes.

[Adam Curry]

No, I mean, it doesn't. The nonsense aspect to that theory is just beyond us. The two of us. I will. Because you're on board with me. Yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

We're two lonesome doves out here.

[Adam Curry]

As opposed to everyone who thinks that Israel's calling the shots.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Well, they're doing a poor job because this is happening under the.

[Adam Curry]

They're doing a poor job.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is under the War Powers Resolution, which means the president has 60 days. I think all the notifications were made within the 48 hour period. And he can extend it another 60 days after that for a drawdown. And I'm, I'm pretty confident that. Well, no, I'm not actually. This is a big game that is being played. And either it's brilliant and Trump pulls it off and we build through we peace through construction, which is the whole idea of the Abraham Accords and the Board of Peace and the rebuilding of Gaza, or World War 3 and we're all going to die. I mean, there's really only. It's pretty binary at this point.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's other. No, there's other possibilities. There's a middle possibility, which is an Iraq conflagration that hangs on and drags on forever. But Trump's not that style, a bit impatient.

[John C. Dvorak]

He also made very clear that it's up to you Iranians now. I find it hard to believe that we don't have people on the ground trying to steer stuff around. And I have some clips later about the new leadership council, Starfleet Command that is being set up. But maybe just to ease into all of this, this is the Iranian foreign minister. His take is that, hey, man, negotiations were going quite well. What happened? This wasn't the deal. I don't know why the US Administration insists to start a negotiation and then in the middle of negotiation, attack, you

[Adam Curry]

know, the other party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Today happened exactly what last June happened. We were in the middle of negotiations and, you know, and it was interesting

[Adam Curry]

that this time we made a big

[John C. Dvorak]

progress last two days ago. On Thursday, we had a very good meeting in Geneva together with Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, and we were able to address serious questions related to Iran's nuclear program.

[Adam Curry]

We obviously have differences, but we resolved

[John C. Dvorak]

some of those differences and we decided to continue in order to resolve the rest of questions. And we actually instructed the technical team to go to Vienna and have a meeting with iaea. So in order to find technical solution for the problems we are facing in the negotiation.

[Adam Curry]

And everybody was happy at the end

[John C. Dvorak]

of those negotiations, as you saw the His Excellency Badr Al Bu Saidi, the Foreign Minister of Oman, who is mediating between us, he concluded by posting a

[Adam Curry]

tweet saying that today we made significant progress. And before he posted his tweet, he

[John C. Dvorak]

consulted with both delegations and both were happy. So I don't know why. While we were progressing in our talks

[Adam Curry]

and we had made good, you know,

[John C. Dvorak]

achievements and a deal was at our reach, why they decided to attack us.

[Adam Curry]

Perhaps, you know, it was others who

[John C. Dvorak]

dragged the United States for their own benefits into this, you know, conflict.

[Adam Curry]

It's really pity.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's very unfortunate. I'm kind of with you on the idea that this was planned even before Trump took office. Just looking at Venezuela, you get that all set up. We got tons of oil, so the oil markets are reasonably, reasonably stabilized, I think. What is. Oil's probably up 10, $15, but it's not 100. And look at how Venezuela played out. No regime change. It's like, oh, you're the second in command, you're the vp. Okay, we're going to work with you. Obviously, you've seen what happens if it doesn't go well.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we have to assume. I mean, on the best case scenario, we have to assume that our people did their job and they lined a guy up in the IRGC or the military who's going to be the guy who emerges as the ruler and he's going to do business with us. The same thing that happened down in Venezuela. We already did a deal with that woman who's running the place in advance. We had our people on the ground doing their thing, and they said, okay, we're going to do this, and you want to get rid of this guy. Who else needs to go, well, you better get rid of this guy, that guy and this guy. Okay, we can do that. We'll get rid of all of them, and then you're going to emerge and you'll make, you know, you can shake your fist a little while and then we'll do a deal. Okay, I'm in with the advantage that

[John C. Dvorak]

this also told China to go home with their $400 billion investment. Okay, it's over 10 years, but still, that's half a trillion almost. You know, they. China was, was the partner and they, you know, and China doesn't fight. They, they go, oh, they go, okay,

[Adam Curry]

well, China, no, no. If you listen to these guys on the. To the extreme, especially McGovern and some of these other guys they talk about China was loading the, the Iranians up with, with all kinds of gear.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, cool gear, stuff that goes boom.

[Adam Curry]

And they had this one thing and this was mentioned. It's going to be. It's in the show notes because I had Adam put it in there. And this has not been discussed by anybody. And I don't want to bring it. I Bring it in soon on the show. I guess I'll bring it right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

This was the Middle East Forum report and they had discovered that China, and I'll read the headline, China's aircraft carrier missile killer missile may have been fast, may have fast forwarded. The Iran war of 2026 the Chinese had developed and, and I heard a, I think general from.

[John C. Dvorak]

It was supersonic too, wasn't it?

[Adam Curry]

I don't know.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so.

[Adam Curry]

But there was a general in Iran that had threatened and said we have new weaponry that the world has never seen before and the Americans are in for a problem. And this is what they're talking about. The Chinese had imported these, these high speed missiles that were designed to take out aircraft carriers and they were months away from getting them operational because it had, they need training and there's all these things I guess you have to, it's, you know, it's not, you just can't light a match. And this was going to blow up.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? It's not like Wiley E. Coyote, you just light a match under that thing and it goes, ah, that's disappointing.

[Adam Curry]

And if they had taken out the Gerald Ford or the Lincoln or the Abraham Lincoln, whatever, just imagine blowing up an aircraft carrier, sinking it and killing 3,000 people. And the whole, I mean this would have been the end of Trump for sure and would have caused an issue. And the Chinese have also apparently have long range radar that had to be taken out. It was a weapons testing program using Iran as the proxy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I heard that at least.

[Adam Curry]

So we couldn't take a chance on this thing getting used. And so we had to attack immediately.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the President said that several times. He said they've got stuff that can reach in Europe, they've got stuff that can eventually reach us. And from what I heard from our boots on the ground on one of the ships is that one of them was struck by either a supersonic or a hypersonic missile. And it was something they weren't expecting. Also not expecting is some of these drones, you said the ones that hit Bahrain, man, that thing just sails under all of our super duper anti missile tech and just blows out the half of a skyscraper. Yeah, you know, so yeah, and they

[Adam Curry]

were doing some analysis this morning about how it costs us like our anti missile missiles, the things that could take these drones out from the ground, they cost $300,000 a pop and it could break us because you can't. These drones don't cost that much to make. And so they're shooting them out of the sky with jet fighters and helicopters because it's cheaper. There's a lot of issues. This was not going to get any better. This had to be stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

I can say that thanks to my Mossad handlers, I'm not in Israel right now. They told me, don't go, man, don't go, don't go. It's not a good time. I would have been on the way. No, we would have been there already.

[Adam Curry]

You would have been stopped.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I would hope so.

[Adam Curry]

When was the flight supposed to leave?

[John C. Dvorak]

This morning. So I wouldn't have let.

[Adam Curry]

No, the airspace is done.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's only because we decided to stop in Amsterdam first to see Christina. But the original plan was to be there Friday.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that'd have been funny.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I'd be doing the show from Egypt. Same thing. I have this analysis that came in from ABC and was quite good about the. Because that's what everybody wants to know is who's next. What is this leadership council that everyone's talking about? I just, they're, they're short clips. I just wanted to play these because I think there's some interesting information. This guy seems to know what he's talking about.

[News Reporter]

Iran's top national security official says an interim council will be formed today to rule the country after the supreme leader was assassinated.

[John C. Dvorak]

A three member transitional council will govern until a panel of 88 members chooses a new leader for the country. So joining us now via Zoom is Kian Tajbaksh. He is an adjunct professor of urban policy at Columbia University. Kian, thank you for joining us. So it could be one or two days until a new leader is talking chosen. What do you make of the speed of that?

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's not surprising because the Iranian regime has been in power for many decades. It's deeply institutionalized, it's deeply ideal. And it does have a deep bench of middle level and lower level officers who for decades have been preparing themselves

[John C. Dvorak]

for just this scenario.

[Adam Curry]

And so I would imagine that over the next week pre planned scenarios for providing a new leadership will be put in place.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll have to see who they are. So there's a, according to this guy, there's two clocks ticking at the same time. We're in a race condition.

[News Reporter]

So 88 members are going to be voting on this, is that correct? But are we going to see a larger democracy spread and emerge within Iran? I mean, I think some people think that might just happen, but it's not that simple.

[Adam Curry]

That's correct. It's not that Simple. But you can imagine, you can think about it. There are two clocks ticking right now. One clock is the regime trying to scramble and put it back and put

[John C. Dvorak]

itself back onto a secure footing, try

[Adam Curry]

to put command and control and the hierarchy of command across this huge territory. Remember, Iran is bigger than, you know, France, Spain and Italy combined. And so they're going to, they're going to try to reassemble. The second clock is the people inside

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran who want to overthrow this regime they are waiting for to see how

[Adam Curry]

much damage the military operations that Israel is in conflicting and whether the balance of power towards them. Those are the two plots that are

[John C. Dvorak]

racing at the moment, which means an obvious power struggle. And that's what it's going to come down to. It seems like there might be some

[Adam Curry]

kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many? Come on, man. I label my clips, you know, people. Do you think want to be. It's called scripting your clips.

[Adam Curry]

This is the. Yeah, you know, Gutfeld does this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, this called producing. It seems like there might be some

[Adam Curry]

kind of power struggle that could be happening in Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

How many people do you think want to become the supreme leader?

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think that at the moment,

[John C. Dvorak]

the scenario that has been often spoken

[Adam Curry]

about is a single supreme leader, but a group, a kind of council of supreme leadership, which they feel is perhaps more protected from a future strike or a future assassination. But I think that at the moment we'll, we'll see about four or five people being nominated and that 88 member council is, you know, is a council of very elderly clerics, very ideological and fanatic and they will just be a figurehead putting forward really what might be the IRGC or the military's chosen leaders.

[John C. Dvorak]

So that seems still kind of pretty much on the table. We don't know everything that's happening in Iran, but this final clip is of course, what the President called for and what the desired outcome is of epic fury.

[News Reporter]

During President Trump's video address, he did make a plea to the people of Iran. It makes it sound simple, as though democracy is being airdropped into Iran as we speak and that it will just flourish.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love how they keep happening. Bringing democracy into democracy. No, that was Bush. That's the old way of we're bringing democracy to you as we speak.

[Adam Curry]

They never said that.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he didn't say that will just

[News Reporter]

flourish and can happen. Will we see anything? Would you say that reading into this.

[Adam Curry]

This is unbelievable. I'm sorry, where this clip come from?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is the same abc. Geez, yeah, listen, listen to his answer.

[News Reporter]

Flourish and can happen. Will we see anything? Would you say that most of Iran would like to see a different reality for themselves? What would you say?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, I would say that from my, I've been living and working in that country for many years and my estimation is no more than 15 or 20% of the population is either ideologically committed or materially dependent on this regime. Maybe 30, 40% are different and are

[John C. Dvorak]

waiting to see what happens.

[Adam Curry]

But there is a large significant minority maybe of 30, 40, 50%, I'm sure the majority of the Iranians who want to get rid of this regime and to move towards a secular, more democratic regime. One point I just say in terms of what President Trump said, very clear,

[John C. Dvorak]

which is that the United States is

[Adam Curry]

not seeking directly to regime change in Iran. It's like a one, two punch. The US Is securing its own national interest possibility, weakening the regime of apparatus

[John C. Dvorak]

and waiting and in a sense paving

[Adam Curry]

the road for the Iranian people themselves to pour into the streets in their

[John C. Dvorak]

millions to overthrow this regime.

[Adam Curry]

That is I think the game plan and it's the most reasonable game plan plan which is not a game plan.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm not seeing it.

[Adam Curry]

And there's the other thing is this idea that secular means democratic is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that's abc. That's, you know, they're still living in, in old, old school.

[Adam Curry]

No, you're right. I think you nailed it. They're thinking the George Bush era.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I have a couple of clips. You want me to get my, some of these out?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, of course.

[Adam Curry]

First of all, let's go to BBC. Well actually this, there's an Al Jazeera has some good stuff and I want to play this one. This, this is the, they brought in this, the thesis of the IRGC and this would let just play this. So get my thinking out of the way which is Iran, irg, Iran, IRGC thesis.

[John C. Dvorak]

AJ Paul, if regime change is the stated objective here now an air war on its own is not going to cut it, is it? That's absolutely right.

[Adam Curry]

Well it's what he just said. The air war is not going to cut it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well that's only if you want to force your own puppets in then you have to have boots on the ground.

[Adam Curry]

No, who says this is. BBC does the same thing and we do the same thing. Everybody has said the same comment and BBC had it this morning. I heard it and I just couldn't take it anymore. He said there's never, you can't do regime change with airstrikes well, it depends on. It's never happened. And no one's ever done it. No one's ever tried it. When is the last. When has anyone ever tried to do regime change with airstrikes?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, now, this is a very good point.

[Adam Curry]

It's never been done because it's never been tried. And in my thinking is, okay, here's how it works.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's how. I'll just say this. That's the. Every, Every military person I have spoken to has that thesis.

[Adam Curry]

They all have thesis. That's their training News guys have the thesis. The military, yeah, because they want boots on the ground. They want to kill people.

[John C. Dvorak]

Lindsey Graham, go do some research.

[Adam Curry]

Lindsey Graham is the classic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Send him.

[Adam Curry]

They're all this. What? They've all said this, and they said it in this clip. You can't do regime change with airstrike. Here's my, here's the way I would look at it because I, I thought this during the, one of the first, the first crisis when they were bombing Afghanistan and then we had to put people down there. The Afghanistanis, they all, they really got freaked out when we were bombing them from the air. And then when we moved people in, then they were relaxed because now. Okay, we can deal with this. If you have, for example, just airstrikes, you've decided you want regime change, and all we're going to do is do airstrikes until we get it. And you say, okay, there goes Khomeini Khamenei. Boom. He gets blowed up. And then somebody else. Well, I've taken over. You guys suck. Boom. You blow him up. You keep blowing these guys up left and right. The Israelis were doing it through hotel windows, supposedly, and blowing up, you know, different, different bedrooms. They've already set the stage for killing these guys left and right and left and right and left and right. You keep doing this with airstrikes and bombings. You never have to put boots on the ground. You just keep doing this until they decide that maybe this is not such a good idea because I'm going to get killed in this job. But no, no, you can't do it that way. Why not?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, I'm still trying to think

[Adam Curry]

if

[John C. Dvorak]

there's a way that it's been done in the past, if anyone has done

[Adam Curry]

it, it's never been tried. Well, you know, they just make it. It's an axiom. You can't have regime change with airstrikes. Why not? And I hear it over and over and over. Okay, so I made my point. Let's Listen to this rest of this clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

An air war on its own is not going to cut it, is it? That's absolutely right.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it's unclear what will. And if you parse President Trump's statement very carefully, he doesn't say that the

[John C. Dvorak]

United States will be in the business of regime change.

[Adam Curry]

He says that the United States will facilitate the conditions whereby regime change will come about.

[John C. Dvorak]

And underlying all of this, there's a lot of context.

[Adam Curry]

Iran's nuclear enrichment program, struggles with Israel. But also, of course, the crackdown on protesters over the winter that, you know, led to thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of deaths. So in Washington and in Tel Aviv, there's a sense that Iran's hold on

[John C. Dvorak]

power might be fragile.

[Adam Curry]

That might be a little bit optimistic. I think it is actually very optimistic because people don't spontaneously rise up. And the only organized bodies in Iran that have the capability to take power if the top echelons of Iran's leadership are removed, are going to be groups like the irgc, which I don't think the Trump administration would view as a win. Would you say that the Trump administration may be planning that as a win? I like all the assumptions people make.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about, you know, so Operation Ajax, which was in Iran in the 50s, that was. I mean, we have seen CIA covert ops, but without air power. And arguably, we kind of orchestrated, through economics, a regime change in Russia, but none of that was war. That was just sneaky stuff done by CIA MI6 operatives.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, well, that's doable.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. But it's not quite the same as blowing somebody up.

[Adam Curry]

No. And keep blowing him up. The new guy, he gets blowed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, so now let's. I want to play these clips. This is from the BBC. And this is a. This is Clip this, Lauren Blumenthal. And you'll find clips two and three. I killed clip one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Because it was useless. This is good.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good.

[Adam Curry]

It was an intro to her.

[John C. Dvorak]

But who is this? Who is Lauren Blumenthal?

[Adam Curry]

She is. She. I, I kept looking at, at her background. She is a professor. She's used to work for the State Department. She's been this and that. She's with Georgetown. She's with. She's now with Johns Hopkins.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And. And she seems to me to be. Again, she has no wiki page and she's finding her bio is tough. She's cover you. I have this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can we just say it? Can we just say it?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. But she's. I don't think she's a CIA spook. One of the 300.

[John C. Dvorak]

Go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

I think she's one of the 300 real super spooks that work for the State, that the State Department, that I inr, that Bureau of Research, whatever it's called, phony baloney, little CIA that they've set up. Very spooky person, but not CIA type spooky. And I've noticed that the CIA will let people have wiki pages, but the State Department people won't because she's got no wiki pages.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm just thinking different HR Department.

[Adam Curry]

So here we have her talking on the BBC. She's brought in as an expert because she's an expert.

[News Reporter]

Are there the conversations you think that have been had about the next steps? Because that is one of the main questions we're certainly hearing from President Trump, Trump's critics, but really, analysts as well. Have there been plans made for what happens next? Well, it's very. It's clever. It's interesting because, yes, his critics are saying this is reckless. He hasn't thought it through. What I hear from both Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump is a kind of, we broke it, but you own it to the Iranian people. So the big question now is who will seize power? My sources, my top intelligence sources in Israel say to me that this has gone better than expected so far, that Iran has made every mistake possible and that's led to a great military success. On the other hand, my diplomatic and political sources in Israel say that we are not even close to the dawn, that we've got a long way to go. We are absolutely not there.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I like her already. She has the right sources. That makes sense. What she said.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. What she said makes nothing but sense. And it would be right that the. That the spies, intelligence sources would have one way of seeing things and the diplomats who are always wringing their hands would have another way of seeing things.

[John C. Dvorak]

And the crown prince is on his way, I hear.

[Adam Curry]

You know, that guy's been left out of the conversation.

[John C. Dvorak]

He has. Remember, he wanted to go talk to Trump at Mar a Lago, and Trump's like, nah, I got no time for that guy. So I don't think he's the guy.

[Adam Curry]

No, he's not. It's got to be somebody else. It can't be that guy. So here's Blumenthal wrapping a little bit.

[News Reporter]

And we've also seen Iran striking US Partners in the region, Gulf states. We've seen Dubai hit, we've seen Doha hit, at least according to the reports that we've been seeing. Here, Laura, do you think those regional partners could also play a role then in putting pressure on President Trump, on Israel to talk about how to wind the operation down? I mean that's certainly Iran's hope, that's their chance for survival. That that's happened in the past. That the Saudis and important American allies will put pressure on Trump to take this, you know, to sort of dial it back. And I heard important words from President Trump today, two important words among everything else. All the bluster which was off ramp. This could end in a day, it could end in a week or maybe two or three, but that's about it. So I don't think this is going to be a long term conflict and this is. Sooner it's over, I do think the better for everybody across the region. Laura Blumenfeld, it is always great to get your analysis on this breaking news day. Thank you so much, Laura. Really appreciate your time.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. So the thesis that you're laying out is every single time a new guy pops up, if he's not the guy, then we bomb him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Well, it's one way of doing it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. That would cause an issue. But I think they, they got, I think the guy that we want is already lined up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Must be, must be.

[Adam Curry]

Where's Victoria Newland?

[John C. Dvorak]

Is it Newland out there passing out donuts? Somebody.

[Adam Curry]

We don't see anybody like that involved. No. And I think the model that was set up and it was staged and set up for Venezuela. Venezuela is the great opener because we got that we get the oil. So that. Cause because the straight of her moose thing was, is closed and so. Oh God, now what?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, yeah, that's why we had the Venezuelan oil, because we did.

[Adam Curry]

But that was also a test of how to do regime change by just taking out the top guy until we get down to the one that can do the job but us.

[John C. Dvorak]

But what we didn't use is that cool, that cool discombobulator.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Disappointed we didn't use the discombobulator.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, I think that has to be close range and we're not putting any boots on the ground, so. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, we're not. All right, I have some more. Would you have more that you got

[Adam Curry]

plenty of clips but you know, you want to break me, break it up here. You should take some.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, let us go. Well, let's just hear briefly about the Straits of Hormuz. Please go take a look at Google Maps. Understand that all the Saudi oil comes through there. That's where the, the oil. 90% of China's oil comes from, comes to the Strait of Hormuz, the ghost ships, etc. It's been a mess with the Houthis for years, letting the Chinese ships go, but, you know, making a hassle for everybody else. Great helicopter video. And here's what Iran says about it.

[News Reporter]

Iran's Revolutionary Guard is sending radio transmissions to ships warning them that, quote, no ship is allowed to pass the Strait of Hormuz. That's according to the EU's naval mission, whose operations aim to protect international shipping from attacks. The Strait of Hormuz is a vital export route for the Gulf's biggest oil producers, including Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Around 20% of the world's crude oil flows through it. Experts have warned that even a limited disruption could spike energy prices and fuel inflation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, no, probably not. Hence the Venezuelan oil. That was the gambit right there. It's like, we need that, secure that it's got enough. We got enough for our 60 days or whatever we need.

[Adam Curry]

For us.

[John C. Dvorak]

For us. Yeah, for China, for us. And left out of this whole thing are the Europeans and the Brits. The Brits who kind of legendarily got into Persia, as it was known back in the day, in what, 19.

[Adam Curry]

They're the ones who set us up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, go ahead.

[Adam Curry]

For their oil because they, the Brits wanted petroleum, British Petroleum wanted more oil. And so they had, you know, and they had a democracy back in the day. They were like kind of, you know,

[John C. Dvorak]

the girls wore mini skirts.

[Adam Curry]

They were get. They were going to do the thing to put the oil on the open market. British. The British wanted it all. And so we put the Shaw in play to make sure that the Brits got their way.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And. And so they're out of this game. And here's Keir Starmer admitting as much. Earlier this morning, the United States and Israel struck targets in Iran. Iran has since launched indiscriminate strikes across the region. I know the British people and communities across our country will be deeply concerned about what this means for security and stability and for the fate of innocent people across the region, which for so many of us includes friends and family members. So whilst the situation is evolving very quickly, I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes, but we have. Why would you say it like that? I mean, why is he saying we played no role? We had nothing to do with any of that. Is that so that their new buddies in China don't get mad?

[Adam Curry]

No, it's their domestic audience. They have so many Muslims in the country, of course.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, yes. I want to set out our response. The United Kingdom played no role in these strikes. But we have long been clear the regime in Iran is utterly abhorrent. They have murdered thousands of their own people, brutally crushed dissent and sought to destabilize the region. Even in the United Kingdom, the Iranian regime poses is a direct threat to dissidents and to the Jewish community. Over the last year alone, they have backed more than 20 potentially lethal attacks on UK soil. I didn't know that. 20.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't either.

[John C. Dvorak]

20. So what? It is clear they must never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. That remains the primary aim of the United Kingdom and our allies, including the U.S. go sit down here. You're not a part of this game, obviously. So Everybody on the M5M this morning, all the questions are all the same. What's the goal? What's the point? What's the purpose? What's the goal?

[Adam Curry]

Mary, how is the President and his team talking about the goals of this war right now?

[News Reporter]

Well, George, the President does claim that he has several off ramps and a quote, quote, beautiful plan, but it's still not clear what that plan is. He says he could end this in a couple of weeks or end it in just a few days, saying, quote, and tell the Iranians, see you again in a few years if you start rebuilding your nuclear program. What is clear, his goal here is regime change. But he still hasn't articulated exactly what that looks like. There are still big, very fundamental questions left unanswered. Who does the President think should lead Iran? What role is the Trump administration and the US Military going to play going forward? Trump promised no new wars. He vowed not to drag the US into more foreign conflicts. And yet that is now exactly what he is doing. And he still has not fully explained to the American people why this is necessary. Now, what was the imminent threat? Why did he change his thinking now? Now, the administration is going brief to members of Congress later this week, but the President now, after the fact, has to make the case for this war to the American people as he now warns that American lives may be lost.

[Adam Curry]

George, you put out that video overnight, Friday. Any plans to address the nation over

[John C. Dvorak]

the weekend or early in the week?

[News Reporter]

Yeah, George, it certainly seems hard to imagine that the President won't come out and speak more about this. But right now, this morning, he remains down in Mar a Lago at his

[John C. Dvorak]

resort and in Florida with members of

[News Reporter]

his national security team where he has been monitoring all of this unfold and play out.

[Adam Curry]

He will be back here at the

[News Reporter]

White House later this evening, but I'm sure that we will certainly be hearing from him again soon. George.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, let's marry Bruce.

[Adam Curry]

She's.

[John C. Dvorak]

She just breathless. Hey, this is exciting for these people. You know, they get to do something again. Now then there's the. Well, but aren't we at risk here at home because of this? Because, you know, the tentacles of Iran are far reaching. Pierre. Thomas.

[Adam Curry]

Pierre.

[John C. Dvorak]

Officials on edge over possible threats to the homeland, the US military campaign as to perhaps the most dangerous threat environment since 9 11. History suggests there's reason for concern. U.S. officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill President Trump. Did he say Iran inspired plots? That's interesting. It's a little different than Iranian plots. Iran inspired plots. CERN US Officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill pages.

[Adam Curry]

That's a screw up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's in the script.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I think he, somebody, whoever wrote that for him. I'd say somebody wrote it for me. These are newsreaders. That's a screw up.

[John C. Dvorak]

They pulled the ISIS script and just scratched out Iran.

[Adam Curry]

That's exactly right. You nailed it.

[John C. Dvorak]

US Officials in recent years have identified a number of Iran inspired plots, including an alleged plan to kill President Trump, as well as others that have targeted journalists and dissidents living here who oppose the regime. This morning there's evidence that US Law enforcement is taking this threat seriously of operatives from Iran and sympathizers as well. The FBI has put on all counterterrorism and counterintelligence teams on high alert. Sources tell me the FBI is planning to step up surveillance of suspected Iranian operatives. And the Secret Service is increasing security of President Trump, Vice President Vance, and all the living former presidents. In addition, Homeland Security officials yesterday issued a bulletin warning police that Iran and its proxies may target US infrastructure with denial of service cyber attacks. George Israel. A very dangerous moment. Denial of service attack. All you need is just Cloudflare to go down at its worst.

[Adam Curry]

That's all it takes. Just go over here to San Francisco to the Cloudflare offices and you could, you could bring down the whole Internet.

[John C. Dvorak]

So this last night, there was a shooting in Austin, and it was near a bar that some friends of ours have ownership in. And everybody at the church this morning was saying, oh, yeah, this is it. This is what's happened. It's because of Iran.

[News Reporter]

We go now to Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz, who joins us From Austin. Good morning to you, Senator. I'm glad we got your audio working. You are from Houston, I believe, this morning I am.

[Adam Curry]

Good morning, Margaret.

[News Reporter]

Good morning. I want to ask you about Austin, though, because there are reports of three people dead, more than a dozen injured, following a mass shooting in that city. The FBI is saying this morning that their Joint Terrorism task force has joined the investigation. Is there any nexus to terrorism or anything that is going on in regard to the worldwide caution at this moment?

[Adam Curry]

We don't know for sure. There are some early reports that this shooting may be connected to terrorism, but we need to follow the evidence and see in particular what motivated the shooting. We are certainly, Heidi and I are praying for those who were wounded and the families of those who were killed. But at this point, we don't know what the evidence will show in terms of whether this was an act of terrorism.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I don't think so. This is on 6th street, which has been just a gigantic mess for years. It's gone. I mean, people who come to Austin don't even want to go to Joe's Club anymore, which is on 6th street, which is where the old Paramount Theater was. It's a mess. And, you know, so it's not. It doesn't surprise me that 14 people got shot, several who died. But I think this is Ted Cruz's beat in this operation. Trump has said, hey man, you just stay on this. You just talk about that stuff, talk about my life.

[News Reporter]

But Senator, just looking at the global environment right now, CENTCOM announced three Americans were killed and five seriously wounded in this operation. President Trump and Vice President Vance campaigned on not getting America involved in new wars. What do you say to Americans this morning who are asking why we are in this conflict now?

[Adam Curry]

President Trump's decision to launch this decisive action against Iran is the single most important decision of his presidency. I think he laid out powerfully and effectively why he is taking this action. He is taking this action because the government of Iran is a profound and malign influence. They have been the leading state sponsor of terrorism for 47 years. They have over that time killed nearly 1,000Americans. They provide more than 90% of the funding for Hamas. They provide more than 90 percent of the funding for Hezbollah. The Iranian Ayatollah was until yesterday actively trying to murder the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's Cruz's bit. That's his part and he clearly just a pre written statements and script. Unimpressive.

[Adam Curry]

Very, very scripted.

[John C. Dvorak]

Whenever someone says this decisive action that's written. No one talks like that. John, what do you think of this? Decisive action by the President?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah. It's scripted for him and that's. He's doing what he has to do, which is fine. Let's go back to the BBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

They brought in one of our senators or Congressman Seth Moulton to talk about this. And the one thing that's obvious when you listen to, no matter who's talking about who, this Khomeini guy, I think everybody in the Middle east hated him. I think everybody in the Democrat Party, everybody hated this guy. And I think half the Iranians did too, or more of them. Because this guy, you can't not talk about this. This is an anti Trump guy. Brought on the BBC to moan and groan about Trump. But he can't, he still can't say anything. No. Except for a very few outliers like this video podcaster, Jackson. What the hell is his last name?

[John C. Dvorak]

Jackson? I don't know. A video podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Jackson hinkle. Jackson Hinkle's 3.6 million followers on, on, on, on Twitter and, or X. And he's a he.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that gives him credibility.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I think they're fake numbers, but they, they, he posts pictures of Khomeini. Khomeini with hero. This man didn't deserve to get shot. He's just like, he's like an American Communist. He's a Communist and he keeps reposting American Communist Party stuff. And he had, he's the one who had McGovern on the show, his show yesterday and who went on, who seems to be also in the same camp, which I'm kind of surprised by. Ray McGovern, ex CIA. And so they, but he's the, except for that little crowd who thinks that Khomeini was a great guy, I don't know how you could get there. Most people reflected what you're going to hear in this BBC Seth Moulton clip number one.

[News Reporter]

There was plenty of debate here in the US as well. Let's speak about that with Congressman Seth Moten, a Democrat from Massachusetts. He's on the Armed Services Committee. Congressman, it's great to have you back with us on BBC News. I want to start with getting your reaction to what President Trump put on Truth Social. He said Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, is dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm glad he's dead. I mean, he's an evil person who's killed thousands of his own people and

[Adam Curry]

chanted death to America for decades.

[John C. Dvorak]

So I'm glad he's Dead. But the question before us right now

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

in the United States of America is

[John C. Dvorak]

should we be risking lives for this young American lives who were putting on the line without any democratic decision from Congress about whether this is the right thing to do.

[News Reporter]

What information have you received in the House Armed Services Committee, for example, about the justification to this point of why President Trump has taken this line with Iran?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Nothing.

[News Reporter]

Nothing. And you're expecting. We know the Gang of Eight, of course, was briefed. The Gang of Eight. The eight members of Congress who were briefed on classified intelligence. But you haven't heard any further information from the White House, from the Secretary of State on why this attack would have taken place?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Literally nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

I mean, I've seen what you've seen on the news, but Trump has not come to Congress at all. The administration has not briefed us. The Gang of Eat briefing was, was just late last night to say this is about to happen. That's the kind of briefing that should happen in anticipation of a limited strike

[Adam Curry]

against an imminent threat. This is obviously not a limited strike.

[John C. Dvorak]

The President's not even trying to make that case, as he did with Venezuela, and he's given us no evidence that

[Adam Curry]

there was an imminent threat.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now I've got to just stop the Congressman here because he's making it sound like, well, it's a limited threat. You can do this, but not if it's something like this. And you didn't inform us, but you talk to the Gang of Eight, that's literally informing Congress. So the rules of the War Powers Act. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I would prefer. Well, only once have we declared war in my lifetime, and that was 9, 11. So the president must. I have it written down here. The President must consult with Congress, quote, in every possible instance before introducing US forces into hostilities or imminent hostilities. That was done with a gang of eight. The 48 hour reporting period. If forces are deployed without a formal declaration of war, the President must submit a report to Congress within 48 hours of explaining the justification authority and estimated scope and duration of the deployment. I think he posted that on X. So that's on Truth Social. I'm sorry. So I'm sure that will take place. But the big thing Here is the 60 day clock. US forces must be withdrawn within 60 days unless Congress either declares war, grants specific authorization for the use of military force, the so called aumf, or extends the deadline, and the President can still extend by 30 days for a withdrawal period, bringing the total time to 90 days.

[Adam Curry]

We never declared war on 9 11.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, we didn't.

[Adam Curry]

No.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about that?

[Adam Curry]

Last formal declaration of war by the United States Congress occurred in June 1942.

[John C. Dvorak]

Really? We didn't do. I thought we did that on November.

[Adam Curry]

You ever declared war against Vietnam?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, I knew that. I thought we did have a congressional approval

[Adam Curry]

after 9 11, not a declaration of war.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, I stand corrected. So Mooton, Moulton, whatever his name is, Mutton. He's kind of stretching it by saying.

[Adam Curry]

Well, in fact, the clip 2 kind of brings up the BBC does a good job of kind of nailing him on this. And then. Which becomes an Ask Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, hold on. Oh, no, hold on a second.

[Adam Curry]

Interstitial Ask Adam.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Yeah, all right. And Ask Adam.

[Adam Curry]

All right, so this is my new technique.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like it. I like it.

[Adam Curry]

And so we're gonna listen to clip two.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, do it. Do it. The ask will come afterwards.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[News Reporter]

Can I ask you about the push for a war powers resolution in Congress? There were some of your fellow members of Congress on the Democratic side of the aisle who support these strikes. And I want to ask you about what one of your Republican Congress congressman colleagues, Mike Lawler, wrote on social media. He said, the president must. Must notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops. The president must then withdraw troops within 60 to 90 days unless Congress declares war. In this instance, Congress was advanced, was briefed in advance. And he goes on to say the president has the authority to act. The notion that this strike is illegal or that the president needed Congress's authority is wrong. Biden and Obama conducted numerous strikes in numerous countries without Congress, and none of the people, quote, screaming now seem to have any objections. What's your response to that?

[John C. Dvorak]

All right. What's your response to that?

[Adam Curry]

What's the question? And then the question is, what does Moulton say? Now, this is a very straightforward thing, is that this happened before Biden did it. Obama did it. Clinton, as you pointed out earlier in the show, did it. They don't mention Libya, which is the best example. They weren't threatening us.

[John C. Dvorak]

But that was Obama, too. That was.

[Adam Curry]

And that was Obama. And they went on and on and on. And so he. Now, what kind of answer will he give as a counter argument that. That solid counter argument to what. What the. What the Republican says. Answer the question. Go.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think this is a very difficult one because Seth hates Trump, but also doesn't like. I think he's going to say that the American public deserves this or.

[Adam Curry]

Hmm.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. I think I'm really stumped on this one. How can you counter this? What crazy notion could this guy come up with other than, well, maybe that's it. But Trump is a madman. That would have to be my answer. But Trump is a madman.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, that's not it. And here we go.

[News Reporter]

What's your response to that?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

First of all, Michael Lawler knows nothing about war, okay?

[John C. Dvorak]

He went through this generation without fighting, without putting on the uniform, without being on the ground in the Middle east,

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

like those of us who are very

[John C. Dvorak]

concerned about these operations have. Oh, okay,

[Adam Curry]

so in other words, you are. He doesn't address the argument at all.

[John C. Dvorak]

At all.

[Adam Curry]

That's the, that's the gonna be the answ to most of these, by the way. He doesn't address it at all. He just skirts it. Well, he does. What would he know?

[John C. Dvorak]

What does he know about war?

[Adam Curry]

And by the way, there's one other little clip I want to play which is kind of in relation to this, which is a contradiction. Clip from Al Jazeera this Iran war contradiction.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get it over now to the White House. Kimberly Halkett is there for us. Kimberly, it seems as though the US is in this for the long haul.

[News Reporter]

Yes. That is consistent with statements that have been made, albeit vague, from the US President as well as it is widely being reported that Operation Epic Fury, as this has been dubbed, is now into what is expected to be a series of escalating strikes that will last one to two day periods followed by pauses to assess the damage. In terms of diplomatic talks, that is still a major question because of course most were looking ahead to next week when it was expected that talks and discussions to limit Iran's nuclear program would resume. There has been no statement from the White House about whether or not the United States intends to do that. In fact, we haven't heard from the US President beyond his eight minute video that he has put out. The US President is not even at the White House House. In fact, he's in the US State of Florida at his residence in Mar a Lago where the White House press Secretary says that he is monitoring these events alongside members of his national security team and will continue to do so throughout the day. We also know that he spoke with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. And when it comes to the President's national security team, we know that the Secretary of State, National Security Adviser Marco Rubio has, has also been in consultation with members of Congress, a so called Gang of Eight made up of Democratic and Republican leadership. They were notified as these strikes were initiated and the Department of War Also contacted members of the House and Senate Armed Services Committee to let them know that the plan they had been briefed on earlier in the week was now in full effect.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he did talk to the House Armed Services Committee. Said we didn't hear nothing. Yeah, he wasn't at the meeting. The guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

We hear nothing.

[Adam Curry]

I didn't hear nothing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, typical.

[Adam Curry]

So this is like. So we get a lot of this smoke and mirrors crap. When then blame the guy. What, you can't say anything? You can't make these comments because you didn't wear the uniform. Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I probably could have guessed that one. Bone spur. Yeah, I'm just looking at the quad screen. So the president now posting on Truth Social that we have sunk nine of their Navy ships. So that means straight or moose will open up again pretty soon. I think your thesis is probably right. You know, choose your guy. That's not the guy. That guy. That's not the guy.

[Adam Curry]

Just keep doing it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Gonna be one of these guys eventually. Do you want to hear some Lindsey Graham?

[Adam Curry]

Just don't accidentally kill your gu.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, well, hold on. Let's do. Let's do Rokahana, because I got Rokahana.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, it's. If you.

[Adam Curry]

Him and Massey teamed up. What a. What a group. You have to. You know, the funny thing is, Thomas Massie, who I've had mixed feelings about, is like, Ro Khan is part of the old squad. He's like a. He's. He's a borderline socialist. And Massey has to be 12 to be buddies with this character.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, they're. They're doing the no war declaration along with Rand Paul, which is what. The Pauls have always done that.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Well, Rand Paul makes. That's traditional.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it's.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a traditional. That's fine. I don't. But. But Rand Paul doesn't bother me.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's like an American tradition. Yeah, let's. Let's go with. I'd call him Rohana Ro Khanna, but it's Ro Kahana. Here he is with Manhands Welker.

[News Reporter]

Welcome back. And joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. California Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for having me on today.

[News Reporter]

Thank you so much for being here. Let me start off with this.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait. Did she say Congressman Khanna? His name's Ro Connor. That's his last name.

[News Reporter]

Let's listen the press.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for having me on.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. Here we go.

[News Reporter]

Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press.

[Adam Curry]

She said, congressman Khanna, his name is. His name's not. Ro is his first name and Khan is his last name. His last name is Ro.

[John C. Dvorak]

Khanna isn't Ro. Isn't that erectile dysfunction, drugs?

[Adam Curry]

Ro. Exactly. Row.

[John C. Dvorak]

Mr. Rowe, how you doing? Mr. Ro, good to see you. How's it working down there?

[News Reporter]

Welcome back. And joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California.

[Adam Curry]

I have to go look it up. Yes, maybe his. Maybe his name is Ro.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think his name is Ro Khanna. Yes, his name is Ro Khanna. He was born Ro. You are racist, man. That's a fine Indian name. Khanna Kahana.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Kahana. Rokahana.

[John C. Dvorak]

Rokahana.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. Okay. I always thought it was one lone name.

[John C. Dvorak]

You wasted our name. His full name is Rohit. Rohit Kahana. Rohit.

[Adam Curry]

Rohit Kahana. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

So we just call him Ro. Alright, so that was how this guy

[Adam Curry]

ever got into Congress. And he represents Silicon Valley.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. Indian Silicon Valley. More questions.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's the only reason he's getting in, because the Indians just, oh, he's one of us. Let's vote for him. This is like the women who vote for women.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, correct.

[News Reporter]

Welcome back. And joining me now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Congressman Khanna, welcome back to Meet the Press.

[Adam Curry]

Thank you for having me on today.

[News Reporter]

Thank you so much for being here.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, enough with the, with the platitudes.

[News Reporter]

You start off with this critical question. You heard what Senator Lindsey Graham had to say.

[John C. Dvorak]

The word playing him out of order.

[News Reporter]

Now world is in fact safer now that the Supreme Leader is gone. You heard Senator Kelly agree with that part of his assessment. Do you agree?

[Adam Curry]

Senator Graham now has become the face of Republican foreign policy. He's been consistent, but he's been consistently wrong. Let me say this. Khamenei was a brutal dictator. But Americans are not safer today. Look, Senator Graham cheerleaded us into the Iraq war. He cheerled us into the effort with Libya. And Trump ran against him in 2016. He said regime change, wars are absolutely absolute failures. And that has escaped Donald Trump. And now you have a situation in Iran where the IRGC is still in power. The assembly of experts are going to pick the new leader. By the way, they were picking the new leader before we killed Ayatollah. The Ayatollah was 86. And the question is, is the country going to descend in civil war? Are billions of her dollars going to be spent there? Are American troops going to be at risk?

[John C. Dvorak]

So this is a different tack that he's taking because, you know, the Democrats also hated this guy. But you know, this is all wrong. It's futile. It's no good. Take it to the War Powers Resolution, please.

[News Reporter]

Kirsten and Senator Graham, arguing that the IRGC is at war with the US Democratic leaders. Obviously you are co sponsoring a bill with Congressman Massie to force a vote on the War Powers Resolution. Congressman, do you think you have enough votes for this to pass?

[Adam Curry]

Is going to be very close, but I believe we will have every Democrat. I can't believe there's going to be a Democrat who wants to vote for another war in the Middle East. And then you have not just Congressman Massey, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs. There are a number of people on the Republican side who agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, don't. Donald Trump said that the Iraq war was a disaster. Hold on a second. The Democrats have always considered her a crackpot lunatic.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

And they're always bitching and moaning about Marjorie Taylor Greene. Marjorie Taylor Greene because she's nuts. And now all of a sudden because she split and quit, you know, split with Trump and quit the job.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's the best.

[Adam Curry]

She's the best. Give me a break. Congressman Massie, you have Congressman Davidson, Congressman Biggs. There are a number of people on the Republican side who agree with Mar. Andre Taylor Greene. You know, Donald Trump said that the Iraq war was a disaster. He said Libya was a disaster. He ran because a big part of the MAGA base did not want another war in the Middle East. They rejected Lindsey Graham. And yet here we have Lindsey Graham being the face of Republican foreign policy, as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, I believe this is a betrayal. Stop. Because Lindsey Graham was her lead guest.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the face of the party.

[Adam Curry]

He's now the face of the Republican Party.

[News Reporter]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

What kind of logic is this row is. In other words, the booker of her show is really determining foreign policy. If you look at it objectively of Republican foreign policy, as is evidenced by the fact that he was your lead guest. I mean, I believe this is a betrayal of a decent chunk of the MAGA base.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, see, we're trying to go for the cleave it and leave it.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah, that's a good bit. You do. That's a good bit.

[John C. Dvorak]

Him.

[Adam Curry]

Points for that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

So considering you're Kristen Welker, your Ro. Rohit Kahana. Kahana. What is your. What is the next logical topic from this conversation so far?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, you're Asking me?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, Ask John.

[Adam Curry]

The last next logical. Well, the regime change was addressed I think the midterms.

[News Reporter]

Let me talk to you about one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, you ready? What was one of the big headlines before the strikes against Iran? I'll give you a secondary chance.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, sorry. I was wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

You were wrong.

[Adam Curry]

Playing this a little differently than I would. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't have a jingle for you

[Adam Curry]

which is I would have just do the slam dunk and get it over with. But no, no. You're more of a torture, torture type.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I am. Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So you're trying to torture me. Let's see. It would be negotiations that were there were something to do with the negotiations for the A bomb. The. The nuke.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow.

[Adam Curry]

The enrichment Enrichment control room has.

[John C. Dvorak]

Is better than you are at this game. Oh, they had it right away.

[News Reporter]

Ron. This week the fallout over the Epstein files testified before the House over Oversight committee behind.

[John C. Dvorak]

How do you feel now?

[Adam Curry]

Now I feel like crap. Obviously the Epstein files.

[News Reporter]

He had no idea of the crimes that Epstein was committing. Do you have any outstanding questions for President Bill Clinton about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, Congressman,

[Adam Curry]

when the transcript comes out, I think people will see that he answered every question. I actually think they'll see that some of the Democrats asked him tougher questions and even the Republicans. And he sat there, he didn't take the Fifth. He answered every question fully. And the American people will be able to decide on what they believe.

[John C. Dvorak]

The point though, here's what the American people decide. Is there criminality going on or what

[Adam Curry]

is that President Clinton has set a precedent, a new Clinton rule that means that Donald Trump should do the same. Answer the questions. Howard Lutnick should do the same. I'm working with a Republican actually to subpoena Howard Lutnick next week and I believe he will come before the committee and every person who went to that island or who corresponded with Epstein about going to his mansion should be called under oath to tell us what they knew.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, that would be a lot of your richest constituents.

[Adam Curry]

Mr. Kahane, I have to say since you brought in Epstein out of the blue, I drew a side clip. They did release some of the. Hillary.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, I, I have some of Hillary's response. But yeah, I mean I was trying to kind of like slowly overlap so we. We kind of slide out of Iran.

[Adam Curry]

No, we're going to go back to Iran. We have to go back to Iran. But I. Where is this clip? I'm.

[John C. Dvorak]

You seem to be kind of Lost on your clips today?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You know why? I, I.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's James Comer grills Hillary. Would that be the one?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's it. Okay, look, Mrs. Clinton, we don't want to be here all day either, so just tell us how you killed Mr. Epstein and we can all go home, okay? I mean, everyone knows you killed him. Just tell us how you did it.

[News Reporter]

Okay, look, I knew the guards were asleep, so I just. I took the keys. I turned off the cameras. I went into Jeffrey Epstein's cell and I saw him sleeping, so. So I just grabbed one of his shirts and I choked him with it. He kind of woke up, but I think he. I actually think he enjoyed it because he was smiling as I was choking him, which was kind of strange. But anyway, I made it look like a suicide, and I got back home just in time for dinner.

[John C. Dvorak]

I love how people are trolling me. Hey, man, this is AI. Really? Really now? Really?

[Adam Curry]

This is AI huh?

[John C. Dvorak]

Huh? Surprise, surprise.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, that's interesting again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well worth the $1.3 trillion investment and counting.

[Adam Curry]

It's doing great for that 39 second clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me go back to Manhans Welker with Lindsey for as long as we can stand it.

[News Reporter]

And joining me now is Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Senator Graham, welcome back to Meet the Press.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Thank you.

[News Reporter]

Thank you for.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Thank you for having me on such a historic day.

[News Reporter]

Thank you for being here on.

[Adam Curry]

He sounds nervous.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's giddy, man. No, I think he's.

[Adam Curry]

He's trembling with JD that's what it is.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's jitty. He's got.

[Adam Curry]

It's adrenaline is screwed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pulsating.

[News Reporter]

Morning, Senator. Let me start with the big question. Is the United States at war with Iran?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I think the Ayatollah would say yeah, I don't know if this is technically a war, but we're. Here's what I can say. The headline.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. What. What is he. I mean, this was this morning. The Ayatollah was declared dead, and now he's.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he was already dead, so I

[John C. Dvorak]

don't know what he's. Did someone.

[Adam Curry]

What's he talking about? I think he's.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did someone forget to brief Lindsey? That's very strange. I don't know why he's. Something's up with him.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Is for me Sunday. The mothership of terrorism is sinking. The captain is dead. The largest state sponsor of terrorism, Iran, is close to collapsing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, this. So this was. This is his. His big moment. The mothership of terrorism is. Is sinking.

[Adam Curry]

He had a Writer.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Is sinking? Yes, a writer. The captain is dead. Okay.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

The leader of the largest state sponsor of terrorism and his inner team are dead. The mothership that fuels the proxies is in. Is in sinking mode. The goal of this operation is to change the threat, not the regime. When this operation is over, no matter who.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's that? Sinking.

[Adam Curry]

He blew these lines. He had this stuff written for him. But sinking mode, it's not. You're sinking. You're not sinking mode. What motor you? I'm in a sinking mode. Come on.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Is in. Is in sinking mode. The goal of this operation is to change the threat, not the regime. When this operation is over, no matter who takes over in Iran, they will not have ballistic missiles to hurt us. Israel or the region. They will not have the capability to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism. Whether Sir Claire or a group of representative of the country where there's an election, it doesn't matter right now. Iran in the future will no longer be the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They cannot reign terror on the region. They cannot commit mass murder. That's the goal of this operation. Again, the mothership of terrorism is sinking. The captain is dead.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, I got it outright this time.

[Adam Curry]

Who?

[John C. Dvorak]

Much better.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, exactly. He revisited it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got to do it again. So get my sound bite.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Well done. President Trump has been the policy of this country for decades to eliminate this regime. President Trump did it. Admiral Cooper came out with a military plan. That's unbelievable. We're not done yet. But when. When it is done, Iran will no longer be capable of being the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That is the goal, and that goal will be achieved.

[John C. Dvorak]

See, I like listening to Lindsey Graham because he was read in on this plan early.

[Adam Curry]

Yes, he was obviously read in.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's why he was on the plane with Trump. And. And, you know, he represents the state with a lot of military aircraft, Boeing, lots of stuff going on. You know, he's tight with Israel.

[Adam Curry]

Israel. And that's why he was so kind of giddy, but I think nervous, too, because he had these lines to deliver, which you rightly notice that he had to redeliver that one line because it had to be that line. It couldn't. It sucks, because I'm sure Trump is like, well, you can't even deliver a simple line we wrote for you.

[John C. Dvorak]

So the next pertinent question. Welker is asking the right questions here.

[News Reporter]

Will the United States pick the next leader of Iran, or will the Iranian people pick the next leader?

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't that great?

[Adam Curry]

I love this is exactly what the theory is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good question.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hold on. He took to the. Wait a minute. Lindsey Graham just said, I talked to the crown prince.

[Adam Curry]

That's what he said.

[John C. Dvorak]

So is the crown prince still in play or is this Lindsay freelancing?

[Adam Curry]

This is a good question, because the crown prince shouldn't be in play. Well, unless there's a backup plan or a contingency or there's something to do, you know, in case maybe he's held an abeyance. In case the public. Because they don't know how the public's going to react to all this and whether the guy that they want to take put in place is going to actually get to where he's got to go. And who knows? I mean, maybe it's just a contingency.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's see if Lindsey tells us more.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American boots on her.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's the trans prince. He's not the crown prince. He's the trans prince. That's what he is.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I talked to the crown prince. He's got some ideas about transition. There will be no American boots on our ground. This is not Iraq. This is not Germany. This is not Japan. We're going to free the people up from a terrorist regime. And the goal is not only to help the Iranian people to chart a new destiny, to make sure no matter who takes over in Iran, no matter who it is, no matter who the people pick, they cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They can't fuel Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can't have ballistic Hootie and the Blowfish. The Hooties. This guy. The Hooties.

[Adam Curry]

This guy's no good.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Cannot become the largest state sponsor of terrorism. They can't fuel Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas. They can't have ballistic missiles. They can't have a nuclear weapon. They will be out of the terrorism business. Business. So the people will pick as to the people. Choose wisely. We want to be your friend. We'd like to have a good relationship with you going forward. But that is up to you. Now, what am I going to do next when this regime can no longer threaten the region? I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. If the fall of this regime.

[Adam Curry]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. Is he talking as Trump now or yeah, he's. What is he saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

He's taking credit for the Abram Accords, apparently. This is great.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Adam Curry]

He's off the rails. He's off script.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's high. This is.

[Adam Curry]

He's high. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is great.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

If the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the center of gravity for Islam is Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. If they could make peace and have a normal relationship between those.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's already happened.

[Adam Curry]

That's already happened. But he says. Then the way he says it, though, he sounds as though Saudi Arabia is the one and only Jewish state. He just jams it together.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's not what he said, but it sounded a bit like that.

[Adam Curry]

No, that's what it sounded like because he's just throwing. He's got a script that he's screwed up. This is out of control. Good.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

I'm going to build on what I did with President Biden to try to get Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. If the fall of this regime would lead to normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the center of gravity for Islam is Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. If they could make.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're right. Saudi Arabia, the one and only Jewish state. That's great, Lindsey.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

And have a normal relationship. Because this regime fell, it would be historic. Taking the regime down is a big deal. Normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel is a historic deal. That's where I'm going to spend my time and energy. To President Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

How about you Spend your time in, I don't know, North Carolina. Is he North Carolina? Spend your time there with your people who elected you.

[Adam Curry]

They didn't elect you to be an international ambassador.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

You did something everybody talked about. You took Maduro down. Everybody talked about it. You did it. You took the ayatollah down again. The goal of this operation is to make sure there will never be in Iran a state sponsor of terrorism to rain havoc on us in the region. That's the goal. I hope the people will choose wisely.

[Adam Curry]

I think Trump's not going to be happy.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he's giving Biden credit.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he put Biden in there and. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let's. Let's do one more. This is probably because I have a ton of them, but just the last one, we can't. Unless. Unless it's funnier than this. Last clip.

[News Reporter]

Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime change is.

[John C. Dvorak]

We've saw that regime chain.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have chain.

[John C. Dvorak]

Regime chain,

[Adam Curry]

man.

[John C. Dvorak]

What kind of chain is that you're wearing? Regime chain, huh?

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, baby.

[News Reporter]

Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime chain is. We saw that when Saddam Hussein is.

[John C. Dvorak]

How petty are we? John, we're the worst.

[Adam Curry]

But it's like, how can you not ridicule? These are professionals making millions. She makes millions of dollars. I mean, it's unbelievable how lame this is. And then they got this Lindsey Graham guy who can't even do a script properly. Now he's taking credit for everything that Trump's doing and patting himself on the back, left and right and blowing his lines. This is unbelievable.

[News Reporter]

Senator, history tells us just how complicated regime change is. We saw that when. When Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terror threat and group moved in. How will the United States make sure that they stop it?

[Adam Curry]

Again, go back to. She's flustered because she knows that these lines. So she's. What she said about Hussein ousted in a regime threat or something.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let's listen again.

[News Reporter]

Saw that when Saddam Hussein was ousted in a terrorist threat and group moved.

[Adam Curry]

He was ousted in a terror threat

[John C. Dvorak]

and a group moved in.

[Adam Curry]

He was ousted in a terror threat. What is she saying?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know.

[News Reporter]

Will the United States make sure that the next Iranian government isn't worse than the current regime?

[John C. Dvorak]

What? He makes this little. Listen. He makes these noises all the time.

[News Reporter]

And the current regime.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

It's not our job to pick the next Iranian government. I don't remember being attacked by Iraq anytime, you know, in the past.

[John C. Dvorak]

What?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Iraq is complicated, but what, what.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's. That's changing the narrative. I don't remember being. But we literally changed our mind from Afghanistan to Iraq overnight. And now he doesn't remember any of it. He's. Pick a side.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

We have a relationship with Iraq. It's up to Iran to pick your leader. It's not my job. It's not President Trump's job. We're not going to occupy the country. We're going to give the people of Iran a chance to do something they've never had before.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. It's not my job as not president. He could put himself ahead of Trump.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Trump will notice this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I think Lindsey's two martinis in at this point.

[Adam Curry]

I think you're right. I think he's got in the bag. President Trump started off, he's sounding like he's a little bit, you know, toasty. Inebriated toasty.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

We're not going to occupy the country. We're going to give the people of Ron a chance to do something they've never had before.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's our job to kill your leader and to keep killing them until you choose the right one. In Europe, they make you vote over. This is kind of the same thing.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Chart their own destiny. We're going to take away from any future regime the ability, any future government the ability to have a ballistic missile program, a nuclear program, or support terrorism. That's what we're going to do. And if out of this comes a new government that we can do business with, great. But having Iran no longer the state sponsor of terrorism opens up historic opportunities. It's the one irritant in the region. It's the one impediment to real peace. We'll never get to where we want to go as long as Iran is the state largest state sponsor of terrorism. And I'm here to tell you the largest state sponsor of terrorism. The mothership of terrorism is sinking and the captain is dead. And a lot of good things are going to follow.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, no, Lindsey, no one cares about your sound bite. It's not working. It's not a good one. Fire the guy who wrote it for you. It's just not good. This is. This is. I have to play this. The guy is just. He's a. It's like landmines everywhere. This guy, like walk through the minefield and please step on every single one. Lindsey. That's what you're good at.

[News Reporter]

Senator, let me ask you. Because the President's opposition to regime change and war, quite frankly, was central to what he described as his America first agenda. On Saturday, former Royal Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote this. We said no more foreign wars, no more regime change. We said it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech. Trump Vance. Basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put a.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute. I love this. So first they campaigned. They can. The whole campaign was the Epstein files. Now the whole campaign was no more war. It's like, just choose one.

[News Reporter]

There's no more regime change. We set it on rally stage after rally stage, speech after speech. Trump Vance. Basically the entire administration campaigned on it and promised to put America first and make America great again. Did the promise. Did the President's strikes on Iran go against everything that he promised the American people?

[John C. Dvorak]

This is a good question. This is a fair and valid question. Lindsey. Go.

[News Reporter]

Senator

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

quadrant. Quite the opposite. He promised to keep us safe, to stand up to People who would hurt America. She's a former congressman for a reason.

[Adam Curry]

What is it?

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

America first is the make sure that no regime who wishes to hurt America can to make sure that they don't have a ballistic missile capability to attack our country. They have American blood on their hands. We destroyed their missile program, the nuclear program. They were coming right back to at it. America first is not isolationism. America first is not head in the sand. America first is not to get entangled. We're not going to have any boots on the ground in Iran. But America first is to kill people who wish us ill with a

[John C. Dvorak]

wow. America first is to kill people. That's what America is. How about that? I got to listen to this gem again. That's better than your. The mothership is sinking.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Destroyed their missile program. The nuclear program. They were coming right back at it. America first is not isolationism. America first is not head in the sand. America first is not to get entangled. We're not going to have any boots on the ground in Iran. But America first is to kill people who wish us ill with a record of trying to destroy us in the region to take them off the table.

[John C. Dvorak]

Foam finger number one, we kill people.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Celebrate today, please, my Democratic colleagues, that the most evil man on the planet is no more. He terrorized his own people. 32,000 people at least have been killed protesting a better life. He was trying to get a nuclear weapon. He was building missiles to hit the United States. He was a religious Nazi that had a horrible agenda for the region and the world. He is no more. Well done, President Trump. Well done to your team. This is something to celebrate.

[John C. Dvorak]

So, I mean, I think there's. It's kind of like it's a sexual fetish. I believe when you're so into killing people that you say it like that. Don't you think. Don't you think that's some kind of strange.

[Adam Curry]

Well, there's something wrong with this guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

America First. And he even paused. America first is to kill people. And then he added on, you know, who. Who shoot missiles at us. The guy has a screw loose.

[Adam Curry]

And I.

[John C. Dvorak]

And props to Ms. Welker there, because she certainly knows how to get the best out of him. That was good.

[Adam Curry]

Well, the booker. Give the booker credit. They booked him at the beginning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. People are riveted. They're on their screens. We can't believe what this guy is saying. All right, you got anything else on Iran here you want to finish up?

[Adam Curry]

I mean, I don't want to. No.

[John C. Dvorak]

We should probably wrap it up and

[Adam Curry]

people want first I got an AJ Al Jazeera clip. This is I called this is an example of Iranian a Baghdad Bob. This is a Baghdad Bob. There's a bunch of them now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Iran's foreign minister has been speaking to US Media. Abbas Iraq ji has acknowledged that Iran may have lost a few commanders, but that it wasn't called such a big problem. He also said that Iran was open to dialogue. If Americans want to talk to us, they know how they can contact me. We are certainly interested for de escalation. This is not our war. This is an imposed war against us. This is a war of choice by the United States and they have to pay for that. Raji also stressed that Iran would not give up its racism right. To enrich uranium. Uranium. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

And now just want to play this one. This is the BBC and this is a I thought was an interesting unexpected. They bring these guys on, these experts and they're kind of giddy in an unexpected way. This is Iran unexpected BBC report.

[News Reporter]

Okay. Let's talk more about this breaking news at this hour with my guests here. Ben and Ben Taleblue is with me, senior fellow at the foundation for Defense of Democracy Democracies and our colleague Khasha Jornadi. He's the BBC Persian Washington correspondent. Gentlemen, it's great to have you both in the studio on this momentous day. The US And Israel launching strikes on Iran. Iran then launching strikes across the region, it says, in retaliation. Khasha, I want to start with you because you have been in touch with contacts in Iran, in Tehran. What have you been hearing?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what I've been hearing in the past couple of hours after the announcement that there is a possibility of Ayatollah Khamenei being killed. Is that the sense I'm getting is a sense of it's a celebratory mood in Tehran and other places. I've talked many people left Tehran, evacuated Tehran as the war started. And many of them have the habit of going to the southern coast of the Caspian Sea. The cities there, people have villas. They go stay there. The roads are full of traffic. Cars are on standstill. The moment the possibility of death was announced, people just get out of their cars and start dancing. There are videos on social media from Tehran. You're seeing firecrackers. You're hearing people celebrating shires erupting in the capital. So many people. They haven't forgotten that last month thousands of people were killed while the government tried to suppress the protests. They haven't forgotten this. And that was the last chapter of Ayatollah ali Khamenei's leadership. 36 years of leadership, as Lis Doucet just said. So that was the closing chapter of his rule. If he's really, if it's verified that he's been killed, people haven't forgotten that, that that's why you're saying, seeing what you see today in Tehran, other parts of the country, you hear people are cheering up, they're happy. That's the reason. So now it's going to come down to the PR war in the United States. The media is just waiting, just waiting to pounce because we're going to go straight back to the midterms. Any sign of this going wrong, of it not making any difference, they're going to pounce. They're going to. To do everything they can. The Persians, I know, and in America, we call them Persians. They are very happy. They're like, we've been waiting for this for decades. The Israelis that I know, who are like, well, you know, we'll probably get hit, but we want it, too. It seems in general, like if this can really happen and we can do business with a new Iran and get our oil companies in, goodbye bp. Out you go. With Saudi Arabia now contributing to the board, I guess they want to jump on the board of peace. I mean, this really could be a game changer and it could be a

[Adam Curry]

big deal for the midterms. So you're right. That's why they have to reverse the course here in terms of the public relations. This has to be quashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, what I'd do is, if I was working at NBC, I'd have Lindsey Graham just. I'd clip that over and over again. America first is killing people tonight.

[Adam Curry]

Well, just keep booking him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Just keep, just keep booking him.

[Adam Curry]

Keep booking him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Get that guy on again. He's great.

[Adam Curry]

He's the best.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's either. It's either the most strategic.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, they're trying to get to Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's all of a sudden a big hero for some reason. The lunatic that they called her a maniac. And now she's the big hero of the left and NBC.

[John C. Dvorak]

And just to answer some, yes, of course, this is about oil, but it's not necessarily about Iranian oil. It's about the control of the Straits of Hormuz, which has been under threat for years. With the hoodies. The hoodies, they've been. They've been a very painful pain in the butt for everybody. So, yeah, of course it's about oil. It's about the whole, it's about the oil is always the game. That is the world without oil.

[Adam Curry]

The entire Western civilization is built on burning stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, yes, of course. But it's not like the Trump brothers are going to move in and start up an oil company. No, that's the Bushes. That's what they did. All right, the second clip here from BBC.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, this is, this is just kind of a follow up from the other guy because this first guy, I don't think they expect him to go on and on about how happy everybody is. And so they bring the second guy and he kind of reaffirms that this is, this is anticlimactic, but it worth playing.

[News Reporter]

Ben, how do you see this with these reports? Again, we've heard President Trump now say that the Supreme Leader is dead. The Israelis are saying that as well. The Iranians are saying that's not the case. But despite all that, where do you see where things stand right now for Iran and its leadership?

[Adam Curry]

Well, great to be with you on this historic moment, Sumin. Also in studio with our friend Khashayyar from BBC Persian. No doubt this is an inflection point not just in the 47 year history of the Islamic Republic, but potentially even if operations continue in the larger U S Iran relationship here. We know in President Trump's comments in the video, I should say the one he posted earlier as military operations against the Islamic Republic were underway. The last part, he actually alluded to something that the Iranian people could do to take back their government. Much of that will depend on the nature of the targeting if Israel and America pushes through or pushes past what's left of Iran's security state. Make no mistake, Ali Khamenei was the region's longest serving autocrat. He was the second supreme leader in the Islamic Republic.

[John C. Dvorak]

But Paul, part of his success for

[Adam Curry]

those 30 plus years was institutionalizing his power. So now it'll remain to be seen if Washington, if Jerusalem will go after that apparatus of repression, will go after what's left of command and control, will drill down to foster defections from below so that unit level cohesion of these security forces so that local initiative is taken over by local fear and that the guns go to the sides rather

[John C. Dvorak]

than continue to be turned against the

[Adam Curry]

population or turned against Israel, America and perhaps even more importantly, we should say here Iran's Arab neighbors, there are some here who are taking a premature victory lap that potentially you could have a military government come in something a la South Korea and engagement with military governments would lead to modernization, Westernization and then democratization.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. Well, yes. Anticlimactic but true. I think they're seeing it for what it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The BBC, I think I listened to all these foreign sources for most of this stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stuff.

[Adam Curry]

And I have to say, really, it was very. I thought they were quite good at their reporting.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, back to Epstein.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, back to Epstein. Bill Gates, in a Wall Street Journal exclusive, apologized to staff at the Gates foundation not only over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, but also to affairs with Russian women.

[Adam Curry]

Russian hookers.

[John C. Dvorak]

Hookers. Oh, Bill. Oh, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill.

[Adam Curry]

These Russian girls can be pre.

[John C. Dvorak]

And it just keeps on. The hits just keep on coming over there with the. With the European royalty and elites. He is a former Norwegian MP and a former foreign minister for Norway and was CEO and president of the World Economic Forum till this Thursday. Burger Brenda has resigned that role following a series of revelations relating to his past contacts with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. After careful consideration, I've decided to step down as President and CEO of the World Economic Forum. My time here, spanning eight and a half years, has been profoundly rewarding. The statement issued by the WEF made no mention of Epstein. Krende has told Norwegian media he was sorry about how he handled his dealings with the disgraced American financier, which included business dinners, and that he didn't want the issue to distract from the forum's work. Text messages from 2018 and 2019 released among the Epstein files appear to show a friendly talk tone between the two men with Brenda in one contact in March 2018. Dear Jeff, thanks for a very interesting dinner on Thursday. Food for thought. You're a brilliant host. Warmly Borga back in Geneva. Oh, no. Their last communication was a week before Epstein was arrested in 2019. Mention in the Epstein files does not imply any wrongdoing. The former minister is one of several prominent Norwegians who have face scrutiny following the latest release of Epstein files. Yes, and the scandal. The scandal is that the Norwegian. The entire Norwegian press corps colluded with each other to repress the news of former Prime Minister Jaglan's attempted suicide in wake of the Epstein probe. They kept it quiet for a week. I'm not quite sure why, but it's a big news scandal over the.

[Adam Curry]

There.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know why they.

[Adam Curry]

Interesting.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. I don't know why they would do that. Here's a typical France.

[Adam Curry]

They're in bed with the government,

[John C. Dvorak]

gambling. Here's your typical France. 24 coverage of the Clinton hearing this Guy just, he's like. And he sounds like a showbiz guy. I'm not quite sure why they brought him in, but he's up there. He's in Chappa. Chappaqua. Chappaquiddick. Chappaqua.

[Adam Curry]

Wherever.

[John C. Dvorak]

New York, York, Upstate New York, where the Clintons gave their testimony. And he just throws the whole kitchen sink in everything he's heard. Like, what were the biggest takeaways for you?

[Adam Curry]

Well, you have to understand that this

[John C. Dvorak]

truly is political theater.

[Adam Curry]

When Representative Comer said that the hearings yesterday were productive, he was right. If you look at it from his perspective.

[John C. Dvorak]

And his perspective is that he has an audience of one, and that one is Donald Trump. Donald Trump wants to distract the American public.

[Adam Curry]

More specifically, he wants to distract the MAGA base from his own involvement.

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump was very clearly a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. They broke publicly. But Donald Trump is much more vulnerable in the Epstein files, certainly than Hillary

[Adam Curry]

Clinton and even Bill Clinton. So the point is to serve as a distraction, because the one thing that

[John C. Dvorak]

Donald Trump can't allow. I know. Isn't that amazing?

[Adam Curry]

How do you get to 8 from A to B in this case? There's nothing but tons of photos of Clinton wearing kimonos and Clinton in the. In the tub with Ghislaine and Clinton here, and Clinton, there was some chick on his lap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Stay with it. Much more vulnerable in the Epstein files,

[Adam Curry]

certainly, than Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton. So the point here is to serve

[John C. Dvorak]

as a distraction, because the one thing that Donald Trump can't allow is for

[Adam Curry]

the MAGA base to fracture over the Epstein files.

[John C. Dvorak]

And there are people who are very

[Adam Curry]

important to the MAGA base.

[John C. Dvorak]

Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn. They're talking about the. What? There are people very important in the MAGA base. Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn. I would say they're the least important in the MAGA base. They're not in the base, not at all. To fracture over the Epstein files. And there are people who are very important to the MAGA base.

[Adam Curry]

Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn.

[John C. Dvorak]

They're talking about the Epstein files.

[Adam Curry]

Donald Trump wants them to be talking

[John C. Dvorak]

about the Epstein files and the Clintons

[Adam Curry]

rather than the Epstein files. And the. No, he doesn't. Trump came out and said he didn't even like the idea of Bill being there, giving testimony. He made a point of it. And the Clintons rather than the Epstein files and Donald Trump. And specifically why Trump's Department of Justice hasn't released the files that were mentioned. Also that, you know, there's something like 50 pages of files on this most

[John C. Dvorak]

recent accusation from a woman who was a minor and she accuses. This is the same tired old 1990s,

[Adam Curry]

and this is the one you brought out and deconstructed in the last show. This 13 year old, supposed 13, 14

[John C. Dvorak]

year old girl withdrew the lawsuit themselves

[Adam Curry]

who did everything in advance of the election. And once the election was underway, then they pulled it because they didn't really have any evidence. President Trump of having committed some kind of sexual assault. Again, that's not corroborated. That is the last thing. Not corroborated.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not corroborated. How about the lawsuit was dropped. Oh, goodness.

[Adam Curry]

Trump of having committed some kind of sexual assault. Again, that's not corroborated. That is the last thing Donald Trump wants the MAGA base to be focused on. Look over here, look over here at Hillary Clinton, who he still thinks. I guess he thinks people are still

[John C. Dvorak]

obsessed with Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton, who have not held public office for quite some time. I'm surprised the guy didn't say, well, it was so salacious that Trump decided to bomb Iran. I mean, that's the only thing left that he could have said. It's crazy.

[Adam Curry]

I'm surprised that hasn't been already said a couple of times.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm sure we just haven't seen it yet.

[Adam Curry]

It's coming. They have to do these things in order.

[John C. Dvorak]

So here's former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, wife to Bill.

[News Reporter]

Bill.

[John C. Dvorak]

And answering questions from the. Giving a statement and answering questions of the press after she and Bill testified behind closed doors. What was video recorded and will be transcribed.

[News Reporter]

Well, I have just finished testifying. I answered every one of their questions as fully as I could based on I knew. And what I knew is what I said in my statement this morning. I never met Jeffrey Epstein. Never had any.

[John C. Dvorak]

What? There's a lot of pictures of you with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. The problem is they've been, they've been, they've been salted with fake pictures.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, so.

[Adam Curry]

Which are all over the place. And the fake, like the one where she's holding his tight.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, that's fake. Yeah. Okay.

[News Reporter]

Connection or communication with him? I knew Ghislaine Maxwell casually as an acquaintance, but whatever they asked me, I did my very best to respond. It was disappointing that they refused to hold a public hearing so I wouldn't have to be out here characterizing it for you. You could have seen it for yourself. We had asked for that. We think it would have been better for the committee and its efforts to gather whatever information they are seeking. We had a bit of a challenge in the beginning because we agreed upon rules based on the fact it was going to be a closed hearing at their demand. And one of the members violated that rule, which was very upsetting because it suggested that they might violate other of our agreements.

[John C. Dvorak]

What do you think that was? What do you think the violation was?

[Adam Curry]

It was the photo. Luna. Luna took her. Her phone out and took a picture of Hillary talking and gave it to one of the bloggers, some online guy. And they posted it during the. Right, during, you know, everyone has to break the news.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

So they posted it right during the. The questioning and it got right back to Hiller. It's almost as though it was rigged to do this. Yeah, something's fishy about the whole process, but. And then. So I'm not talking anymore. You guys just broke the rules.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, here's my favorite piece of what she said.

[News Reporter]

I don't know how many times I had to say I did not know Jeffrey Epstein. I never went to his island, I

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

never went to his homes, I never

[News Reporter]

went to his offices. So it's on the record numerous times. It then got at the end quite unusual because I started being asked about UFOs and a series of questions about Pisagate, one of the most violent, vile, bogus conspiracy theories that was propagated on the Internet. That was serving as the basis of a members questions to me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I wonder if they asked her about Frazzle Drip. That's what, that's the question 1. What do you know about Frazzle Drip?

[Adam Curry]

Restate that. What it was about taking the skin off the baby or something?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, her and Uma. Uma Abedi.

[Adam Curry]

Uma. Yeah, they're taking skin off people and putting on their own faces that Frazzle Drip saving from Silence of the Lambs

[John C. Dvorak]

final bit was a question from the press about. Well, but Jiz Lane was at Chelsea's wedding. Chelsea's wedding in 2007. She'd already been mentioned in a civil Lawsuit by Virginia G3, Jeffrey Epstein already.

[News Reporter]

She came as the plus one, the guest of someone who was invited. Because I don't know when the video will be out, I don't know when the transcript will be out. We've asked that they be out as quickly as possible. And then you can see, madam, what you can see.

[John C. Dvorak]

Now listen. Listen to the very last one we heard from Bill Gates.

[News Reporter]

Concerns about Epstein trying to blackmail him.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the poor woman.

[Adam Curry]

Why would she know about that anyway?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, this is.

[Adam Curry]

And the other thing is the question that would have Come to mind if I was out there is who is the plus one? A plus one of a guest that was invited.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, that's.

[Adam Curry]

Who was the guest?

[John C. Dvorak]

Jeffrey Epstein. Of course.

[Adam Curry]

That's what it has to be.

[John C. Dvorak]

And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you the man who it puts. Put the sea in the regime chain. Say hello to my friend on the other, the one, the only, Mr. John Cedar.

[Adam Curry]

Morning to you, Mr. Adam Cran. Morning ship sea boots to the ground. To the water dam.

[John C. Dvorak]

The morning to the trolls of the troll room. Hold up. Misfire. Here we go. There's nothing like a good bombing to being the. To bring the trolls back. Almost 2300. We're almost back. That's right. More bombing. More bombing, please. It brings everybody back. I know what it is. You know?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. This is the like the news business.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Epitomized by Nobody cares. There can be great stuff that we're doing on a. On a twice a week basis. Duh. No, no, no. Gotta have a bombing.

[John C. Dvorak]

Bombing works. Works. Well, it'd be very interesting to see. We of course, will continue to deconstruct everything as it comes in and as we see it. And I'm glad that I'm home for these couple of weeks because there's just a lot. There's a lot to consider.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You'd be in a bomb shelter right now.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. With Sir Brian of London. I'm like, ah, what are we doing here, man? Anyway, thank you for being here. Trolls and listening [e-mail] or on those fancy, very modern and sophisticated podcast apps. Get [e-mail] where not only can you get the show and be notified within 90 seconds when we release it, unlike the legacy apps, but when we go live, you will get a notification if you have that enabled and you'll know that we're live. You can listen in the same app. How crazy is that? It's like modern day radio. Listen live or on demand. What have we. Have we improved your life somehow? I think so. So get one of those at the same time. We are incorruptible because we don't take any advertising. We're not worried about audience capture. We never have been. And as you can all say, I'm not donating, I'm unsubscribing. It's okay because as long as there's enough people to keep us going, we'll keep doing it. I love when people say, don't you realize donations are down because you're wrong about Israel and the Jews. Jews like Cartman. The Jews? Yeah. You know, if only you had there. If you own the right side of history, you'd make more money. Where is the logic in that? Where is the logic? We have always said what we thought. Always. And the problem is, is this.

[Adam Curry]

Not even what we thought. It's what we've developed by doing careful analysis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. And the problem is, it's always eight years later, people go, hey, you know,

[Adam Curry]

I say, yeah, yeah, you guys were right back in the day.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, no one says that. They don't remember. It's a whole new generation.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we remind them once our old

[John C. Dvorak]

listeners die off, and then they don't remember. Got to tell the new people again how we've been through this. We have been so many times. Hey, man, you should talk about this. Yeah, we talked about that five years ago. That's our problem. Honestly, we should be bringing that stuff up more often.

[Adam Curry]

Well, we can't overdo it, because then you're spiking the ball. Spiking the ball. It's boring.

[John C. Dvorak]

It is. I agree. Agree. So value for value. That's how we decided to keep this the. To keep the mothership here running. Which means no levels, no plus packages, no bonus episodes, nothing behind the paywall firewalls. You know, the Great.

[Adam Curry]

Let me play as a bonus clip.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, bonus clip. Here's your bonus clip.

[Adam Curry]

NPR +AD.

[John C. Dvorak]

NPR +AD.

[Adam Curry]

How could your favorite NPR podcast get any better? Well, what if it had bonus features, such as extended interviews and zero sponsor breaks? There is a remarkably easy way to turn that fantasy into reality. It's called NPR. You get perks across more than 25 NPR podcasts while supporting the teams that make them.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's so insulting. Listen to the start of it. This is. This is just insulting.

[Adam Curry]

How could your favorite NPR podcast get any better? Well, what if it had bonus features, such as extended interviews?

[John C. Dvorak]

Bonus features? You mean. So you're giving us the crap, but if we pay you, then. Then you'll give us more? No, we don't. We don't subscribe to that. We only want you to send us value if you got value out of what we do. If not, what are you doing? Why even listening? If you get. I mean, listen to hate listen, I'm okay with that. But even hate listens is valuable.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, we actually have hate listeners that donate once in a while. Not that many.

[John C. Dvorak]

My favorite kind. So you can support us with your time, your talent, or your treasure. And we always thank people who Support us with time and talent. A lot of them want to be. Stay anonymous. Like our. I can't even say his name anymore because even though it's a. It's a. He's a knight, but he doesn't. He wants to be completely anonymous. He's in the Middle east and we get updates from him sometimes three times a day is what's going on.

[Adam Curry]

I think he's in Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought he was in Bahrain. You think he's in Iran? I'm not sure. Could be.

[Adam Curry]

He never says where. Exactly where he is.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, there's a. We got a lot of those guys.

[Adam Curry]

There's an IT guy that happens to be exactly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Exactly where they are. So we also thank people who contribute clips. Thank you, Steve. Clip collector. People who do websites for us. You know, Sir Dan over there doing the noagendameetups.com and of course, we have our no Agenda Art generator. Sir Paul Couture, who created that over a decade ago. We've had several versions of it. This one is, praise God, very stable. And this is where people help us out by creating art.

[Adam Curry]

Don't Forget to thank Void0 because he's always gets a little irked when we leave him out of the list.

[John C. Dvorak]

I've been thanking him for 18 years.

[Adam Curry]

Not enough.

[John C. Dvorak]

He's in the credits every.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, well, he likes to be mentioned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Did you finally call him? Is that what happened?

[Adam Curry]

No, I. His email got kicked back. I told you that. And I haven't followed up.

[John C. Dvorak]

I called Brunetti, by the way.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, finally.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. He was like, oh, thanks for calling. He said, well, you think like all of a sudden my life stops because some Hollywood big shot once talked to me about something. Something podcasting. It was actually quite a fun. We talked for over an hour.

[Adam Curry]

He's a talkative guy.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. He says, this is usually what I do with John. I take a gummy and call Dvorak. I'm like, oh, he does do that

[Adam Curry]

once in a while. He's done that. And you can tell. It's like, okay, it was great. He's giggling and usually Alex is in the background chiding him, telling him to get off the phone.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, she's the one that tells him to call you. I think she's in love with. With you.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, well, good. She should be.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, there's something to be said about that. So we want to thank the artist for episode 1846. That was Nessworks, who was a classic artist. And I. I'm pretty sure this was not an AI piece that he did. I don't think so.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no. Yeah. Maybe it was done. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

This could not have been. Yeah, this was. This was as controversial because this was one of these pieces. I had to agree with you. You're the one that pushed for this one. Mm. With the argument. Which is hard to beat. Which is. It's different. So different. It's so different that, you know, we need something to vary the look and it's. It had to be. I think it had to be done by hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

He did the no Agenda files kind of.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, how. How could AI even come up with the idea?

[John C. Dvorak]

No, he inputs suffer and succotash in there.

[Adam Curry]

Suffer and succotash.

[John C. Dvorak]

Existential future. It's a boondoggle media. It was just. It's a nice piece. 33 cents. And it was. It just looks so different. We liked it a lot. Thank you very much. Nessworks. That was for our episode 1846, we titled Thumbstick Flick. I want to just do a quick look and see if there was anything. There were some other pieces we discussed, I'm quite sure.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, there was a few decent ones.

[John C. Dvorak]

Let me see.

[Adam Curry]

That was when I was pushing for. I can't figure out which one. One it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I know which one it was you wanted. Let me scroll down here, man. There's a lot of art that's already come. Well, we both thought the. The Cash Patel with the bug eyes on the plane yelling bomb with the U.S. hockey. Hockey team.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Tourette's piece. That was funny.

[Adam Curry]

That was funny. But it wasn't going to be picked.

[John C. Dvorak]

I kind of like Nestle.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, no, you like the sexy podcast one, which was.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like, like that.

[Adam Curry]

But that's because you're colorblind.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. I thought Dan OBGYN4's butt plugs were humorous. And of course.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. You had this thing. You. You're preoccupied with this. You should get a Gutfeld show.

[John C. Dvorak]

What was. There was something else that you liked because it was between one or the other. If I recall, you said this one or that.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, yeah. I like the dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, the dog on the moon. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Back to faking. To faking moon. With a little puppy with a. What are those things? They're called. I know.

[John C. Dvorak]

Pomeranian, though.

[Adam Curry]

Pomeranian. Pomeranian. Little Pomeranian. Comic strip bloggers.

[News Reporter]

Art.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's his favorite. That's his favorite. He likes butts and Pomeranian dogs. That's.

[Adam Curry]

He does. He likes Pomeranians.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, he loves Pomeranians. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Well, they're the most annoying little dog.

[John C. Dvorak]

Here's some more bonus content. Speaking of the moon.

[Adam Curry]

It was really a surprise announcement. To be clear, NASA was always going to the moon, right? Right. But now they've added even more flights and they.

[John C. Dvorak]

I like that part. NASA was always going to the moon, right?

[Adam Curry]

To be clear, NASA was always going to the moon, right.

[John C. Dvorak]

But now they've added even more flights

[Adam Curry]

and they've changed Artemis 3. Let me first tell you about Artemis 2. Right.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the rocket we thought this month.

[Adam Curry]

Now they moved it up to April. They got to work on a, on a technical issue with a helium problem in the upper stage. And then they hopefully will launch that

[John C. Dvorak]

cloud four person crew around the moon, looping around the moon probably by the

[Adam Curry]

end of April or so. But what they did today was they announced Artemis 3, which they said was

[John C. Dvorak]

going to land on the moon.

[Adam Curry]

It's not anymore. That's. Artemis 3 will in fact be an orbital mission around the Earth because they

[John C. Dvorak]

want to test out the systems.

[Adam Curry]

And then they've added two more lunar landing missions, Artemis 4 and 5. And, and NASA says they will both go in 2028. The NASA chief, they said they're really trying to pick up the pace and it's going to start to feel like the old days of Apollo. Take a listen.

[John C. Dvorak]

If we're committed to going back to

[Adam Curry]

the moon, we have the resources to do it again.

[John C. Dvorak]

We have a presidential mandate to get the job done. What is an achievable strategy regardless of the competition? And I can tell you, launching every three plus years is not the right approach. Oh, this is not the right approach. Hey man, get one of those dune buggies back on the moon. Impress me and ship it in a tin can like you did 50 years ago. Okay, fine. Now let us thank our financial producers, which you really are. You're a producer if you just help us with content, boots on the ground, clips, artwork, anything that contributes to the show. That's why you are listeners. But we call you producers because we consider it an obligation that contribute to the best podcast in the universe. And that way we always outdo everybody because we have thousands of producers. That's just how it works. We thank everybody $50 and above. We have a special spot for those who can afford $200 or more. You get a Hollywood credit, the associate executive producer. And you get to put that anywhere credits are recognized, including IMDb.com if you can afford $300 or more, then you become an executive producer. That is exactly the way Hollywood works. But everything is appreciated, any amount, anytime, as long as it's because you felt you receive Value. And you're sending it back. And speaking of back, who is back with $2447? This is not his typical number. Wait, did he do a five and a two? Did he have a two dollar bill with a five? Is that what he did this time?

[Adam Curry]

No, he had three, three, two and a one. This is the first time ever there was a one.

[John C. Dvorak]

And was it Christian?

[Adam Curry]

Now, I decoded this.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, let me just first tell everyone it is.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, read the notes first, sir.

[John C. Dvorak]

Animus of Dogpatch and Lower Slobovia. He is a longtime supporter. He always feels that he gets tremendous value. And his notes are always interesting. The amounts he sends are always high and code of some sort. And John has decoded this one. I'm going to read his note first. $2,447 from pseudonymous of Dogpatch in Lower Slovia. Thank you all. Thank you to all reciprocal value contributors that elevate media deconstruction to such a high level. The first day of Ramadan coincides with the Christian Ash Wednesday, something that happens every 33 years.

[Adam Curry]

Years.

[John C. Dvorak]

I pray the two largest Abrahamic faiths help their believers find peace within themselves. I think that is happening in Jerusalem. Propaganda is not always about changing minds, but also causing people to question their core beliefs. May this Ramadan and Lenten season be a time of peace, reflection and reinforcement of core beliefs for all producers, despite efforts to have you questioned them. Ramadan Mubarak. No jingles, no karma. Thank you. He always has a spiritual message of some sort. And in this case it is for Ramadan, which he observes and celebrates, and of course, for Lent.

[Adam Curry]

So he's in the Middle east or something. He knows something about something or other, I think. And now I'm going to start thinking about these codes more often. This particular, when I first looked at it, I said, this is not his normal kind of noun number. And I'm thinking, well, 24 is 2024. And that 47th president was elected. And that's like I said then. I said then. But then I changed it completely. He knew what was going to happen on Saturday. This is a. These are two codes. 47 years of Islamic rule in 24 is the police code for assignment finished. It's a defunct police code. You can look it up. Code 24, code 24, assignment over. I'm on. I'm done. We're done. The 47th year, done.

[John C. Dvorak]

And he sent the. When did we receive this? He sent it.

[Adam Curry]

Well, it came in on Friday.

[John C. Dvorak]

He sent it a week ago at least.

[Adam Curry]

And he had to send it like sometime earlier. So that's again a course Epic. What is it called? Epic blow up or whatever the hell.

[John C. Dvorak]

Epic Fury.

[Adam Curry]

Epic Fury was named way in advance. This whole thing was planned, like I said, and this guy happened to be. He knew about what was going on somehow and he sends us just a little subtle message, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, that he knew about it. And here it is, 2447 Simon. Over 47 years of Islamic rule.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

In Iran.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nice.

[Adam Curry]

I have to say, now I think that's what I think. I've done it and now I think I can crack all those codes.

[John C. Dvorak]

All right, all right. We look forward to your next code. As always, thank you, Sir. Anonymous of dogpats in lower Slovenia, a long term high value supporter and producer of the no Agenda podcast.

[Adam Curry]

Now we have Brian Moss, who has written before in Rancho Santa Maria or Margarita or whatever. I can't cut off Margarita.

[John C. Dvorak]

Margarita.

[Adam Curry]

Margarita in California came in with a thousand with no note that I can find and it's not in my email.

[John C. Dvorak]

He usually sends it, doesn't he? I've seen.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he does. He does communicate. So we'll get a note from him eventually. But this is a thousand dollars. So he gets a double up. You've got

[John C. Dvorak]

karma. And then Sir Sollahauser, also someone who has certainly written notes before, did something go. Sometimes PayPal doesn't do that, right? I mean, could that be what has happened here?

[Adam Curry]

I have no idea.

[John C. Dvorak]

It doesn't matter. We will gladly read your note after the fact. And he's in Melbourne, Florida and he sends us $600 missing a note. So for now a double up. Karma. You've got double up Karma.

[News Reporter]

Karma.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Scoby's up in Charlotte, North Carolina. It's 36392 jingle request. Dogs or people too. Please accept his donation at 34567. Get it? 34567 itm from Charlotte, where we assume it's a matter of time, just a matter of time before Toxoplasmosis Cat owners rant on social media that the ring doorbell search party feature is for dogs only. It's an honor to be producer of the greatest podcast in the universe. Where, where else could you one get superior media deconstruction and learn of the cultural significance of toxoplasmosis.

[John C. Dvorak]

Nowhere. Nowhere, I tell you.

[Adam Curry]

Nowhere. Actually, that's true. Nowhere. Thank you both for an outstanding product. C. Scovy P.S. and not a cat owner.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dogs are people too. A lot of notes with. Or a lot of donations with no notes. Same goes for Richard Gelb in Danville, California. Also no stranger to the producer list. 343.75. Double up karma for you.

[Adam Curry]

You've got

[John C. Dvorak]

karma.

[Adam Curry]

So, Sir Steve Weiss in Lost Wages, Nevada.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

333.33. This is a donation to add my smoking hot wife, Stephanie trip to become a dame. Her birthday was 2. 27. And after 25 years we never had a fight. We keep hearing of the demise of Las Vegas, yet do not really see it. John and Adam, you have been rocks to our lives. You like?

[John C. Dvorak]

I hope.

[Adam Curry]

That's one hit me in the head the other day. And Stephanie is devising a drinking game to her favorite John phrase. Bull crap. Crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes.

[Adam Curry]

Please give her a boogity boogity. A biscuit for her birthday. Love and lights. Steve and Steph,

[News Reporter]

They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go, beautiful. Hey. Then we have Sir Donald of the Fire bottles from Spokane valley in Washington, 33333. And he sends us a note which is, as usual, on. Where is it? Oh, here it is. Misplaced his note. This is on United Federation of Planet Starfleet Command letterhead. Gentlemen, we are now in the season of Lent. A time of prayer, fasting and almsgiving. I thus direct some of my alms to no agenda. A move made necessary by reduced donations of late. Let me ease your power, Sir Donald of the Fire Bottles, Secretary General of Greater Idaho. Well, thank you, Sir Donald. That is highly appreciated.

[Adam Curry]

Sir Nate the Rogue In Central Point, Oregon, 265 becomes a first associate executive producer. And he says since the Mossad won't donate to the show, somebody has to. No jingles, no karma. Sir Nate the Rogue, Knight of the Rogue Valley. P.S. have either of you tried any wines from Rogue Valley, Oregon? It's a beautiful wine country with beautiful wine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. Yes, I did by chance, funny enough, in a brand new Italian restaurant we have in Fredericksburg. I got to tell you about this place, John. I'll tell you after the show. It's like a. It's like a real Roman Italian. Who's coming?

[Adam Curry]

Hey. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Valerio. Valerio taking care of you. It's good. It's good. Yes. And we had some from Oregon. From the Oregon Rogue Valley. They had it on the list. List?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. I don't. I can't think of any I've had from that particular area recently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Of course, I. We only had a glass, so I

[Adam Curry]

forget the name of it. And I think it's a Fairly recent appellation. I don't think it's from 20 years ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. Hey, there's Dame Astrid and Sir Mark. They are the archdiocese and duke of Archduke of Japan and all disputed islands in the Japan Sea. 222 and 22 cents. They they are also some of our longest standing producers. Have been with us a long long time. And they are super famous and talented. Dear John and Adam. The recent second half of show was quite revealing to me. I finally found out why I have a slightly longer neck. I am part alien. You are the best. Much love, Dame Astrid. We knew this. It's one of your appeals. That's one of the things we love about you. We know that you're an alien alien. And you two are welcome in no Agenda Nation.

[Adam Curry]

I wonder if she has RH negative blood.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, that's a good question. She will answer it, I'm sure.

[Adam Curry]

Just part the alien thing. RH negative blood has always been a mystery to science because it. RH stands for Rhesus monkey. And our primate.

[John C. Dvorak]

I take it back, Day master.

[Adam Curry]

You're not a monkey ancestors. And then Rhesus monkey.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh boy, we're in trouble.

[Adam Curry]

Aspect to the blood is missing in RH negative people. Very small portion of the population is Rh negative and they. There seems to be no relationship to our primate ancestors with these folks. You look into it. Something worth checking out.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

Eli, the coffee guys up in Bensonville, Illinois at 203:01 he sent in a very lengthy note. Note? This is just the part he wanted read. And it had all kinds of complimentary stuff about the two of us. I should forward it to you.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Yes, please do.

[Adam Curry]

It is finally time I humbly asked to be declared a night of the no Agenda Roundtable. Today, March 1 marks my 46th trip around the sun. And I cannot think of a better way. I don't know if he's on the birthday.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, he is.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. I cannot think of a better way to celebrate than a night knighthood. He. In his earlier the long part of his note he talked about how he could have been a night while ago.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think it's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

I would think.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

It would not be proper celebration without my amazing wife Jen by my side as a dame. I don't know that she's on the dam list. We'd like to be knighted. Sir Eli and Dame Jen. The baron and baroness of beans with a protectorate being the farmer's markets of the Chicagoland area. Yeah. In the round table. I don't know how much coffee they sell at the farmer's market. At the round table, we request cold brew and goat stew, which, by the way, can be quite good, along with foie gras and sauterne, which is the combination you want, you want.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know what happens when you when you serve them. Sauterne.

[Adam Curry]

Can we get.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's how I got Tina tip from John. Thanks, buddy.

[Adam Curry]

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[News Reporter]

You've got karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

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[John C. Dvorak]

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[Adam Curry]

No, it says dashes. Those are dashes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Dashes. I'm sorry, dashes. Yes, the John C. Dash.

[Adam Curry]

There'll be a link. We'll be linker.

[John C. Dvorak]

I will put the link in beautiful.

[Adam Curry]

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[News Reporter]

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

[Adam Curry]

Let's vote for jobs

[News Reporter]

karma.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we thank these executive and associate executive producer producers for always making the donation segment. Entertaining, fun, loving, and it keeps us going. It's good for the show as well. We appreciate that anybody can support the show by going to noagendadonations.com the deal is Simple. It's value for value. When you feel you've received value from the show, send it back to us. Any amount. It's up to you. We can't look in your pocketbook. All you can do is say, hey, this is worth this much to me. And that's fine by us. No agenda donations dot com. Any amount, any frequency for your recurring Donations, no agenda, donations dot com. Thank you for these producer. Producers. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

[Adam Curry]

Shut up.

[John C. Dvorak]

And I should mention that these are real show business credits. And if anyone ever questions that, we will gladly vouch for you. Well, this was a piece of interesting news that I got from cbs.

[News Reporter]

I want to ask you about another standoff between the Pentagon and Anthropic.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's talking to Mike Turner, which is

[News Reporter]

the only AI company whose products are used in classified system systems for things like target id, intel assessments, and battlefield simulations. This morning, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that their AI was in fact used in these operations, even though Secretary Hegseth and Trump ordered it to be cut off due to this contractual dispute over the use of the model. Anthropic's CEO told CBS in an exclusive interview that it is up to Congress to act here to really create clarity as to how AI can be used. It's clearly essential. If the Pentagon is still using it in this operation, will Congress act here?

[Adam Curry]

This is something that they're going to have to deal with and come to Congress before this is. I know obviously in this circumstance, in this particular circumstances, I'm unaware of this particular issue. This is going to have to be something that is going to have to be dealt with in more detail than obviously an interview on cbs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, humming and hum and a humming. You got no answer because you have no idea idea what's going on. But this thing is heating up. Here is the Yahoo Financial team to talk. The lady from Axios explains what the feud is between the Department of War and Anthropic.

[News Reporter]

Here's what's at the heart of this, of this dispute right now. The Pentagon essentially wants to be able to use Anthropic's AI model, Claude, however it sees fit. It doesn't want to be in a position where every single time it has to do an operation or do something of not national security concerns, it has to check in with a company and make sure that it's following that company's specific safeguards. The problem with that is that Anthropic has two very clear red lines with its usage policies that it does not want crossed even by the Pentagon, which are mass surveillance of Americans and autonomous weapons. The Pentagon is not having that. They're saying we should be able to use your technology the way that we want. And that is what. It's setting up a Friday deadline. We know that, that Claude was used during the Maduro raid, right? So it was a very successful operation. From the Pentagon.

[John C. Dvorak]

Claude was used. I'd like to know what exactly it was used for. Right? This is, this is the, the, the fuzzy stuff. Well, we know it was used in the Maduro raid, right? No, I didn't know that. And how was it used? Did they ask a question like is now a good time? I mean, what exactly was it used for?

[News Reporter]

And that is what. It's setting up a Friday deadline. We know that, that Claude was used during the Maduro.

[Adam Curry]

Hold on a second. One more thing. If you can say, if the person says we know that it has been used for.

[John C. Dvorak]

Good point.

[Adam Curry]

If you know, then you can answer the question. Well, then how was it? Your exact question should be reiterated. Well, if you know it was used, then how was it? Well, we don't know how it was used. We just know it was used. Well, then you don't know anything up a Friday deadline.

[News Reporter]

We know that, that Claude was used during the Maduro raid, right? It was a very successful operation. From the Pentagon. Claude was used. There were no hiccups there.

[John C. Dvorak]

And hiccups. A new word for bug. It's hiccups is the new glitch.

[Adam Curry]

There were no word for glitch.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, new word for glitch. Hiccups.

[News Reporter]

So it was a very successful operation from the Pentagon.

[Adam Curry]

Gone.

[News Reporter]

Claude was used. There were no hiccups there. And of course the public doesn't know how these, how this technology is being used in classified settings, but we can surmise that there was no need for mass surveillance and there was no need for autonomous weapons. Anthropic, you know, usage policies were not violated and yet the Pentagon was able to carry out a very successful operation.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait a minute, so the Pentagon has to read the terms of service before using Claude? Is that what I'm hearing her say? Right, right.

[News Reporter]

The second thing here, with regard to the all lawful purposes standard that the Pentagon is trying to have, not just anthropic, but all of the AI labs adhere to, is that the law right now doesn't necessarily contemplate all of AI's applications. And so in the case of mass surveillance, for example, it is legal today for the government to collect data that is public so, for example, social media posts, concealed carry, perhaps permits, if you attended a rally or a protest, voter registration rolls. The government can legally collect all of that data. And then you can imagine how injecting artificial intelligence can supercharge the, in real time continuous analysis of that data to specifically target and surveil people. And that is kind of what is alarming not just anthropologists, but civil liberties groups and folks on Capitol Hill as well.

[John C. Dvorak]

This is nonsense.

[Adam Curry]

This is just woman.

[John C. Dvorak]

She's from Axios. This is nonsense. This stuff is no good. It's not, It's. It's a language guesser. That's all that it does. Oh, man, I've had so many problems with this thing with, with Gemini.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, here we go.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I have to. I now have 25 guardrails. You know, it's like look up the song by Jamie McDonald. I can't find Jamie McDonald. Well, yeah, you can, because look for me in this folder. Oh, there's Jamie McDonald. But why couldn't you find it? Well, you misspelled it. Well, what kind of smart person are you? Where's your, where's the I in your AI? This kind of stuff? Well, the tool you gave me doesn't exact. So you can't do anything. Any idiot human being who only takes 3 watts of power to keep their brain moving can look at a folder of files, say, oh, Jamie McDonald. Oh, he put Mc Donald instead of Mac Donald. Well, he must mean that. No, artificial intelligence can't figure that out. You see what I'm saying, Holmes? This stuff is no good.

[Adam Curry]

Holmes.

[John C. Dvorak]

I thought I'd throw that in.

[Adam Curry]

Meanwhile, by the way, since you introduced that kind of little flippant remark, I have to interrupt the clippage here with a clip I have. Okay, I don't know if you heard. Did you hear Newsom go on about his 960sat score? He was talking to an Atlanta audience.

[John C. Dvorak]

I saw a little bit of it.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, yeah, he's going on. So he, by the way, bragging about a 960 SAT score just tells everybody in the country he's a dummy. That is a dummy's score for the sat. So who wants him to be president? Why would you do that? Do that? Why would you say that? I'm a big dummy. I can't. He says he can't read. Well, I think they left out the best part of this whole thing because I have a clip of Newsom in Atlanta that's, I think, a little more revealing.

[John C. Dvorak]

You know, I'm basically one of you. I mean, I Got a terrible credit score. Sometimes when I go to Red Lobster, I get up and leave without paying. You hear that fire alarm beep?

[Adam Curry]

Me neither. I like to talk loud in movie theaters.

[John C. Dvorak]

Love me some fried chicken. You know what I'm saying, brother?

[Adam Curry]

I got many baby daddies. I mean, baby mamas.

[John C. Dvorak]

I got many baby mamas.

[Adam Curry]

I just fought at a Waffle House last week, bruh.

[John C. Dvorak]

We hanging out at the barbershop every day, son.

[Adam Curry]

No, Cap, I keeps it real up in this biatch again.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well worth the 110 billions that Sam Altman just raised on this. New revenue has got to come into this system. Like, people can invest in each other and buy each other's stuff, whatever, but if there's not new revenue coming in, that's when you get into. There's like, nothing here. But revenue is growing so fast, not just for us, but the whole ecosystem that there's, like a massive amount of revenue coming in.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, stop this for a second. This I. You look at this guy. He's such a dud. He's uninteresting. He doesn't seem like much of a personality. He has got to be one of the greatest salespeople in the history of sales. Well, and I just don't understand how he.

[John C. Dvorak]

How.

[Adam Curry]

I mean, we don't. He's at some level that's cosmic.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's the same as Sam Bankman fried. He picked up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing the same thing. I'm complicated. I'm such a genius. You know,

[Adam Curry]

to me, it's remarkable. This is a moment in time that we should cherish to witness this.

[John C. Dvorak]

No, it's a moment in time for us to get all dumb and go raise some money for this show. You know, like, if only, you know, we could. We could save, like, the universe If. If we could just expand. No agenda.

[Adam Curry]

And.

[John C. Dvorak]

And we could just. I think that really, if we each had a jet, it would just make the show much, much better.

[Adam Curry]

If we each had a jet. Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay.

[Adam Curry]

You're right.

[John C. Dvorak]

Not just for us, but the whole ecosystem that there's, like, a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all of this infrastructure. So I don't worry about that part. Don't worry about.

[Adam Curry]

Don't worry about that part.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't worry about the money. Don't worry. Hey, look over here. Don't worry about the money ecosystem that there's like, a massive amount of revenue coming in to support all of this infrastructure. So I don't worry about that part in terms of any one way the only part we're worried about is Sam, is that there's not enough money coming in to cover the cost. That part in terms of any one layer of the stack failing would cause some real knock on effects and it's sort of like a very tight supply chain right now. I do worry about that in terms of not being able to get access

[Adam Curry]

to certain technologies I chips if.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, something like that, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

The other part of their concerns, some

[John C. Dvorak]

have criticized the valuation opening high has got and said, well, you know, there's intense competition. We've seen things like the deep seat moment can disrupt markets as well.

[Adam Curry]

Your valuation, do you think is justified?

[John C. Dvorak]

I think so. The revenue up to other. That's like up to a market to decide that, I think. And the path to profitability eventually.

[Adam Curry]

What does that look like for open air?

[John C. Dvorak]

We are growing at an extremely fast rate right now. I think as long as we can have reasonable unit economics, we should find focus on continue to grow faster and faster and we'll get profitable when we think we, when we think it makes sense. Now what we have to realize and enjoy this moment is this is the biggest demo and longest demo that has ever existed in the history of Silicon Valley. John, this stuff is a hoax. They're not going to get.

[Adam Curry]

I like the way you think of it as a hoax.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, because, I mean, it's okay. It's great.

[Adam Curry]

I'm on board.

[John C. Dvorak]

The hoaxes were going just a little

[Adam Curry]

more power, enjoying the hoax a little bit more. Well, you're actually doing more with though. You actually get involved at a deeper level than I do. I kind of just like the surface of it.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm vibe coding, man.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, you're vibe coding?

[John C. Dvorak]

I am and I really like it and it's really good. And as long as it's 20 bucks bucks a month, I'm okay with it. I still, I. This week I'm going to hook up the guy who sent us. Who sent me the, the Nvidia. Yeah, the Nvidia card. And I'm excited about hooking that up. But the point is it's. It's not intelligence, it's just not. And they keep telling us that we're almost there, we'll have it just a little. A few more lithium crystals, Captain, and we'll be good. No, it's. It's just burning tokens, burning energy and no one really trusts it because they shouldn't. It's not going to. Okay. Yes. You can code some things. Sure. It codes itself. Sure.

[Adam Curry]

Makes art.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, it makes art. It writes stuff.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, right. Stuff. Kind of.

[John C. Dvorak]

But it's not if the money is just it insane. And, and, and I think investors have. They have no imagination. All they can think of is, Sam's gonna do it, man. Have you seen Sam's houses in his cars? Get a clue. What's our stack like? Our John, the no agenda stack. It needs to grow. So we, we, you know, don't worry about the revenue. Just give us more money. It'll be fine. I'm so sick of these people.

[Adam Curry]

It's pretty. Pretty. This is. Will bring the economy down.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, eventually.

[Adam Curry]

This is going to cause the collapse of the market. It's not going to be a big one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

Like 69. I don't think it could be.

[John C. Dvorak]

I think there will be stoning people like Sam Altman.

[Adam Curry]

No, they never do that. That's. For some reason. They just won't do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

They don't. I know.

[Adam Curry]

I don't know why we can't get to that stone or torn feather even. Come on.

[John C. Dvorak]

What's this? Wall Street Journal podcast producers. What is this?

[Adam Curry]

Somebody sent this to me and I said, oh my God. I would ridicule the producers from the various NPR podcasts. They have a thank you list at the end of a podcast that was like 25 people. And this, I think the Wall Street Journal, which has a podcast called the Journal and they're worse. I didn't realize it, but I guess if you got the commercial side to it, you can be worse than. And this is the thank yous at the end of a podcast.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's all for today. Friday, February 27th. The Journal is a co production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. The show is made by Kathryn Brewer, Pia Gadkari, Isabella Japal, Sophie Codner, Matt Kwong, Colin McNulty, Jessica Mendoza, Annie Minoff, Laura Morris, Enrique Perez de la Rosa, Sarah Platt, Allen Rodriguez Espinosa, Heather, Roger Rogers, Pierce Singh, Jeevika Verma, Lisa Wang, Catherine Whalen, Tatiana Zamis and me, Ryan Knudsen. Our engineers are Griffin Tanner, Nathan Singapak and Peter Leonard. Our theme music is by so Wiley. Additional music this week from Katherine Anderson, Peter Leonard, Bobby Lord, Emma Munger, Nathan Singapak, Griffin Tanner and Blue Dot Sessions. Fact checking this week by Najwa Jamal and Mary Mathis. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty long.

[Adam Curry]

That's pretty long. Do you need three engineers?

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

How many do we have?

[John C. Dvorak]

One.

[Adam Curry]

We don't have any.

[John C. Dvorak]

Actually.

[Adam Curry]

You're the engineer.

[John C. Dvorak]

You do it.

[Adam Curry]

You do a single hand.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes. You know, because it would just. We're bringing up names. I can't remember. I said something. Tina said something about. I said, oh, that's some woman's name. Hunt. I said, oh, Mike's sister. And she's like, oh, you are so juvenile. And I said, well, have you never heard about the plane that crashed in San Francisco? She'd never heard this, but she never heard this. No. And I looked.

[Adam Curry]

Well, this is a good bit to revisit. We do have all of the tapes of all the clips.

[John C. Dvorak]

I figured, revisit this and play it for us.

[News Reporter]

The coroner is still trying to determine the cause of death and whether she was already dead when the truck hit her. We have new information now also on the plane crash. KTV has just learned the names of the four pilots who were on board the flight. They are Captain Sum Ting Wong Wei, Tulo Ho Le Fook and Bang Ding Ao. The. The NTSB has confirmed these are the names of the pilots on board Flight 214 when it crashed.

[John C. Dvorak]

We never really got to the bottom of that, did we?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we did.

[John C. Dvorak]

No.

[Adam Curry]

Who.

[John C. Dvorak]

Who came up with the. Who came up? It was the ntsb.

[Adam Curry]

It was one of the engineers at the station. And they had slipped this in as a joke on the. On the. On the newsreader because she was notorious. I don't remember her name now, but she's not there anymore. But she would just read. Rob wrote. There was a bunch of people that are newsreaders that just. Whatever it says on the prompter, they read it like a robot.

[John C. Dvorak]

Read it. Yeah, read it. Go for it. Yeah, read it.

[Adam Curry]

And so they found one of them and they gave her. And I think the guy got fired.

[John C. Dvorak]

You think?

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, Way too low here.

[John C. Dvorak]

No agenda. You get promoted. You go to the top of the no agenda stack when you do stuff like that. Fantastic.

[Adam Curry]

Although something wrong.

[John C. Dvorak]

Amidst all of the hullabaloo over Iran, etc. There's one extra little bit that I. I just. I don't know if it has gotten a lot of play. Probably isn't interstitial. This is from France 24. It's something the President said. An island cut off from oil and seeking deeper into crisis. It's been over a month since Cuba received its last oil shipment from Mexico. A result of threat American president to impose tariffs on any country that delivered oil to the communist nation. Now Donald Trump is offering a takeover

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

and says Havana is in talks with

[Adam Curry]

his secretary of State. The Cuban government is talking with us. They're in a big deal of trouble, as you know. They have no money, they have no anything right now, but they're talking with us and maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of. The island Nation only produces 40% of

[John C. Dvorak]

its own fuel and mainly relies on

[Adam Curry]

oil to power their energy grid. Blackouts are now endemic and petrol is

[John C. Dvorak]

being rationed, bus routes suspended. The UN is increasingly concerned. The situation is serious, I think, and it is evolving quite rapidly and it carries a real, you know, risk for human suffering. The energy shortages are quite prolonged and do not, will not remain as technical problems. They become humanitarian emergencies.

[Adam Curry]

The fuel crisis is causing Cubans to

[John C. Dvorak]

adapt as best they can with many turning to bikes. So the President says we could probably have a friendly takeover. Cuba.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's interesting. And Rubio's on point.

[Adam Curry]

Rubio wants to be the guy running Cuba.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, well, but I'm going to quit

[Adam Curry]

my job as Secretary of State and take over Cuba. That would not surprise me.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'd rather he run the United States. I'm liking him.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, he might end up doing that.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm liking him. So it looks like there are Free Iran rallies happening now and of course the obligatory hands off Iran Trump. So it's already starting? It's already starting, yeah.

[Adam Curry]

With already pre printed signs.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh yeah, no, they're totally pre printed.

[Adam Curry]

And they were printed before the whole thing started.

[John C. Dvorak]

The Socialist Workers Party. They're out already. Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

So I have one last clip in a commentary, but we had to. I played the story about the woman who stuck her underwear in the coffee maker.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yes, very disturbing.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's okay. Here's a follow up story where she's gotten sued. Supposedly this is an AI voice. It doesn't sound like one, but there's a giveaway in there. I want to see if you can spot it. And all AI voices do this. Make the same mistake that you're going to hear in this report.

[John C. Dvorak]

I have only one clip and it says part two.

[Adam Curry]

It says yes.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, that's the one.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've got to set it up.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Adam Curry]

So the thesis is that this is a bogus story. It never really happened. The whole thing was done as a publicity stunt with the fot and this being part of it. This is part of the publicity stun as a promotion for Starbucks. Starbucks get people so they don't drink coffee in the room.

[John C. Dvorak]

Long game. I like it.

[Adam Curry]

And the new guy and I talked about this on DH Unplugged some time back when I picked it on our game. I picked Starbucks because they have a New marketing guy that is that took over as CEO and he's come up with all these schemes. He's the guy came up with the little teddy bear and all these other things. They're doing all kinds of new ideas at Starbucks. And I think this part of I think that whoever says Starbucks I think they're right. This is bull crap. This what you're going to hear is bull crap. The whole thing is bull crap.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, someone just. I think someone just had three drinks in one go.

[News Reporter]

A TikTok creator is facing a lawsuit after posting a controversial hotel hack online. Tara Woodcox, who describes herself as a health and nutrition blogger, shared a video showing people how to wash underwear using a hotel coffee maker while traveling. In the video, Tara explains that if you run out of clean underwear, you can place it inside the coffee filter compartment, close the lid and press the brew button. The machine then sprays hot water over the fabric. She suggests drying the underwear with a bathroom hair dryer before wearing it again. The video quickly went viral. Many viewers said this is exactly why they avoid using hotel coffee machines. Days later, several guests realized they had stayed at the same hotel as Tara and had already used the in room coffee makers. Some filed complaints and demanded competition compensation. To calm the situation, the hotel reportedly offered refunds to recent guests and replaced all coffee machines on the property. The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 Million in damages for financial loss and reputational harm. The story has sparked debate online about responsibility and hygiene while traveling. After hearing this, would you still use a hotel coffee machine?

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, where's the Starbucks part? Is that they're playing the wrong game on the.

[Adam Curry]

That's. Somebody who sent this clip said they believe this is a thesis of one of our producers and that's why this is bogus. And so this is bogus. And the click in there, that was to me and I've heard this before. Oh, the AI click is the $1 Million.

[John C. Dvorak]

$1 Million.

[Adam Curry]

She said $1 Million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh oh let me in the situation.

[News Reporter]

The hotel reportedly offered refund funds to reset. The hotel has now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1 Million in damages.

[John C. Dvorak]

You nailed it. Or. Or it could just be a gen zer because that's how.

[Adam Curry]

No, because when you write it out. When you write it.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, someone at Gen Z wrote it out. Because that's how. They don't do dollar sign one million. They do one million dollar sign. Have you not noticed this?

[Adam Curry]

Well, this was written out by a normal person because when you write normally. When you normally write a million, you write. You put A$sign 1.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'm going going to tell you that Gen Zed. There's a lot of them who are writing $1 million sign. And so.

[Adam Curry]

Well, that's. Well, that's not what this was.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, no, but when they wrote the prompt, they wrote it that way.

[Adam Curry]

No, when they wrote the prompt, they wrote normally. When you normally write $1,000,000, you put a dollar sign one. Then the word million. Billion.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. No, but what I'm telling you is that is not what people do normally anymore.

[Adam Curry]

No, what you're saying is the Zeds don't do that normally. A writer, a professional writer, always writes the dollar sign one with the word million. That's how you do it. And that's what she said.

[John C. Dvorak]

I know.

[News Reporter]

Now filed a lawsuit against Tara Woodcox seeking about $1amillion in damages for financial loss.

[John C. Dvorak]

$1 Million. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. The whole thing is just messing with my brain. I can't. I'm still stuck on the panties in the coffee thing. Sorry. It's a. It's a.

[Adam Curry]

The point is, is that this AI gives itself up because for some reason, they can't say a million dollars unless you write. If you're writing copy for AI, you write. You write million dollars, not a dollar one million.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, okay. So what you're saying is this AI story.

[Adam Curry]

I'm saying this was the AI presentation of. They never mentioned a hotel. They never mentioned where. This was the whole thing. That the beginning. The. The woman who said did the panty story never said where she was. The whole thing is bogus. It's the sell Starbucks. I'm going to show my support by

[John C. Dvorak]

donating to no Agenda.

[Adam Curry]

Imagine all the people who could do that.

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, that'd be fabulous.

[Adam Curry]

There on no Agenda in the morning. That's a problem when you have to explain your. When you have to explain the jokes, especially when somebody's preoccupied with panties in the coffee machine.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Adam Curry]

Yes. But we do have a few more people to thank, I might add. That gave us more than $50 and less than 200. And Adam's going to read them from beginning to end.

[John C. Dvorak]

David and Kilchrist, I would say. Conroe, Texas. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Thank you very much, Terrence in Niceville, Florida, with $100. With a long note, he says, longtime listener, longtime douchebag, please de douche me.

[Adam Curry]

You've been de douched.

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know how long he's been listening, but you would know that we don't do oodles of jingles like you were asking here. But we thank you very much for your $100 in value for value. Randy Filkins, Wellsburg, W.V. 100. Kevin McLaughlin, there he is with 8008. He is the boob donation. He is the Arch Luke of Luna and a lover of America and boobs. And he says God bless America and boobs. 7676 from Ray Martin from Dothan, Alabama. Henry Coccozoli from Livonia, Michigan. $72. John Alberini, parts unknown. $70.26. Les Tarkowski, T.R. comes in from Kingman, Arizona with a small boob. The only one today. 66 cents. Allen Adler, Rolling Hills, California 59. 59. Andrew Garland, Muncie, Indiana. 56. 23. Michael Stojak, Kingston, Washington. 55. Nathan Gwinn, Jackson, Tennessee. 52. 72. We have John Height in Folsom, California. 50. 69. And we hit the 50s with Sir Richard Gardner. We have Benjamin Ryan from Alliance, Ohio. Aaron Weisgerber in Bend, Oregon. Joshua Johnson, Omaha, Nebraska Bobby Bowe in Bluegrass, Iowa. Tony Lang, Castle Pines, Colorado. Nathan Noel or Noel in Nederland, Texas. Terrence Clark, Jacksonville Beach, Florida. Bill Johnson, Grovetown, Georgia. And winding up we have Sir Commodore Mark Bendikowski in Warzawa, Poland.

[Adam Curry]

Warsaw.

[John C. Dvorak]

He said it says Warzawa.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, that's Warsaw.

[John C. Dvorak]

But if it says Warzawa, I'm gonna say Warzawa.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's pronounced slightly differently.

[John C. Dvorak]

Warzawa Kurva. Leslie Walker is our last $50 donor from Roseburg, Oregon. And Leslie says keep up the great work and we appreciate you $50 supporters. Thank you very much. Of course, we do not thank anybody under 50 for reasons of anonymity. We're pretty serious about that. We try to protect all of you however we see you. And we look at every single one, even people who put notes in there. And you at any amount, anytime you want. By going to noagendadonations.com consider setting up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. And we thank you. And we also thank our previously mentioned associate executive producers and executive producers for your value. Valid for value for value contributions to the best podcast in the universe. Short list. But doesn't make them less important. Sir Steve Weiss wishes his smoking hot wife Stephanie a happy birthday. She celebrated on the 27th. Eli the coffee guy turns 46 years old today. And John Gardner wishes his son, Sir Richard Gardner a happy birthday. He'll be turning 40 years old on March 3rd. And we say Happy birthday from everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Now to going we're we do have a layaway knight here that is the same John Gardner who just congratulated his son. And here's his notes. Adam and John have been laying it away every month since 2018 and it's time I claim my knighthood. Yeah, I'll keep it brief. Night name Sir John General Some tips for Brits to get to get quotes, no agenda. So this is if you are a Brit and you're like why these guys about keep at it. It's a struggle to start with, but worth the effort. Except that both Adam and John are often wrong about the and the Brits understand that you will soon know more about the US and how it works than the average Brit. This will prove both enlightening and frustrating when you go in hospital or at university. Frustrating because nearly every Brit has TDS and will think you are a Trump apologist. P.S. sir Richard Gardner is one of my human resources and it was he who hit me in the mouth. It's his 40th birthday on March 3rd, so please give him a shout out. John Gardner, of course. Very happy to do that. So that means that we do have two nights and one dame to bring up to today. John, if you could grab us tonight, one dame blade. Yeah. So for you Brits, we, we do knightings that's not reserved for your king. We can do it as well as anybody else. So Eli the coffee guy and John Gardner hop up here next to Jen and I am very proud to pronounce the KB as Dame Jen, Baroness of beans, Sir Eli, the Baron of beans and Sir John General for you we've got hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay, cold brew and goat stew along with foie gras and sauterne. Add to that some redheads and rye, some beards and blunts and ruby nse women and rose geysers and sake vodka, vanilla bongits and birdman, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils, breast milk and pablum. And as always, we have the mutton and the mead here at the round table for you. Join the rest of our knights and dames and on your way to the table go right to visit noagenderrings.com and take a look at those handsome rings. We're going to send you one. All you have to do is use the ring sizing guide on the website, let us know what ring size you have and we will send that to you post haste. And include with that not one, but I think two sticks of wax because they are signet rings and you can use those to seal your important correspondence. And as always, for framing it on the wall, we give you a certificate of authenticity. That's only for our knights and our dames of the no Agenda Roundtable. And we welcome, welcome you and congratulations on behalf of the no Agenda show. The no Agenda meetups, they take place all over the globe. They are producer organized and you can find [e-mail] people get together, hang out, talk about topics, meet each other. Some get into serious deep relationships. Some have gotten married, some have kids already. And many of you send reports of your meetup. Here's one from Fort Worth, Wayne. This is the February meetup they had Adam and John. This is Shannon hosting today's event. We had a six pack of people and we had a good time. So here's the group. Michelle Beam here.

[Adam Curry]

Jared from Kool Hacks with a K.

[News Reporter]

Hey, Shelly from Fort Wayne had a great lunch and great conversation today. Thank you for your courage.

[John C. Dvorak]

Steve from Fishers, Indiana, glad to be a part of the group. And I paid $33 for a Donbass diploma autographed by Donald Putin.

[Adam Curry]

I think it's, it's legit in the morning.

[John C. Dvorak]

Wow. Try to remember to include your server people. Here's our second report. This is the another Duke of San Francisco birthday bash meetup report. It's a dude named Ben named Ben celebrating my birthday. The Connecticut Yankee doing the two out of three meetups this month. San Francisco Bay area. We are connecting to protect ourselves. So Sir Montauk, happy birthday, Ben. This is Sir Reichmeister and we are

[Adam Curry]

in the middle of meetup number two

[John C. Dvorak]

out of three meetups in the San Francisco Bay area. So if you're from around here and you need some connection and a little protection, go to noagendameetups.com and look for

[Adam Curry]

the meetup happening on March 7th in Los Altos, California. This is Sir Reginald Calcutta. Crazy Steve. And all this advertising is great, but I love the connection and protection and I want to wish my buddy here,

[John C. Dvorak]

Ben, the Duke of San Francisco, a happy birthday in the morning. It's true. Connection gives you protection. These people that you find at the no Agenda meetups will be your first responders in any emergency. They make you stable so you are able. Go to noagendameetups.com you can see all of them. Search them listed by region, by time, by date. We have in March coming up. Tinley Park. Actually, we have on Thursday the ultimate Porteno meetup. This is Buenos Aires, Pepino's restaurant in a Casuso, Buenos Aires. We need a meet up report from you that is desperately needed. Also on Thursday, the Northern Wake March Madness Public gathering meetup, six o'. Clock. That'll be at Saints and Scholars. And Raleigh, Raleigh, North Carolina. And, and the rest of the month on the 7th, Tinley Park, Illinois, Los Altos, California, the 14th, Eagle, Idaho and Gladewater, Texas the 15th, Indianapolis, the 18th, Rockaway, New Jersey the 19th, Charlotte, North Carolina the 21st, Franklin, Tennessee, home of all the big music stars. And the 28th, Fort Wayne, Indiana, reminder that we have Osaka, Japan coming up on April 4th. We have Albany, California on the 11th. Are you going to be. You'll be at the album Albany, won't you? Is that another get John out of the house meetup?

[Adam Curry]

So did he move it to the 11th?

[John C. Dvorak]

That's what it says on my list. That's interesting.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, I'll be. Yeah, I always go to that one.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's interesting because I will have the Fredericksburg meetup on April.

[Adam Curry]

Oh, it'll be a showdown. Okay. It'll be donation showdown.

[John C. Dvorak]

There you go. April 11th. Let's see.

[Adam Curry]

Let's go, Albany. We can beat these guys.

[John C. Dvorak]

Come on, Texas, we can do a lot better than those.

[Adam Curry]

West Texas, they don't donate. They don't know what they're doing.

[John C. Dvorak]

No AgendaMeetups.com no AgendaMeetups.com we will beat California's butt any day. If you can't find one, start one yourself. Feels the same.

[Adam Curry]

It's like a party.

[John C. Dvorak]

Always like a party. They were about ready for John's tip of the day, which is another highlight of the show. Before we get to that though, we always want to determine what we'll use at the end of show as an ISO. I have three, you have two. Shall I start?

[Adam Curry]

Yes, please.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, here's my first one. It's over, guys.

[Adam Curry]

We are done.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of over. Done. Here's another one. They're just freaking good, which is true. And this one I just thought was really funny.

[Adam Curry]

Mad, isn't it? Mad.

[News Reporter]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad.

[News Reporter]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad.

[Adam Curry]

Can you play the. Play them again?

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, sure. Happy to. It's over, guys.

[Adam Curry]

We are done.

[John C. Dvorak]

That's the first one. They're just freaking good. A second one and the third one.

[Adam Curry]

Man, isn't it mad?

[News Reporter]

It's mad. It's mad. Mad is mad.

[Adam Curry]

Okay.

[John C. Dvorak]

Can You.

[Adam Curry]

Well, I've got. I. I picked some stuff up from the Trump speeches, and I. Let's try the first one here. Which is best tea.

[News Reporter]

Yep.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe.

[John C. Dvorak]

Roomy. Roomy. Roomy and boomy. Roomy.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, it was a little boomy because he's got a boomy voice.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah.

[Adam Curry]

All right, try the other one. When I'm not bombing Iran. I'm listening. No agenda.

[John C. Dvorak]

I'll leave it up to you. I mean, I think it's either this one, which is this one. I'm not bombing Iran.

[Adam Curry]

I'm listening to no agenda, or it's this one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Isn't it mad?

[News Reporter]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad.

[News Reporter]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

You choose.

[Adam Curry]

I can like that one because I can't hear it. Really?

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. Isn't it mad?

[Adam Curry]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad.

[News Reporter]

It's mad.

[John C. Dvorak]

It's mad.

[Adam Curry]

No, it's.

[John C. Dvorak]

No. All right, we'll do. When I'm not bombing Iran. We'll do that one. It's fine. It's good. It's okay. You get a win with your AI Trump. Okay. It's all fine. Is that. Where did you get those from? The people send those to you or if you loaded that up from 11 labs?

[Adam Curry]

No, I got a new source. Ah.

[John C. Dvorak]

Well, more on that next week, but first time for John's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes times Adam.

[Adam Curry]

Okay, now, this is a. This is for Californians. This is a tip of the day for Californians. It's going to be a tip of the day for everybody because of what's happening with our. This, the plastic, the ban on plastics. So what's happened here in the Bay Area, and it's. It's just everywhere now, and it's gonna. The whole country is going to be stuck with these. Just these biodegradable plastic produce bags. So when you go to the store, I mean, some people, if they're really nuts, they go to the store. They just. They don't even put it in a bag. They just. They don't care.

[John C. Dvorak]

They just put it in their pocket. Just. Just take it.

[Adam Curry]

They put in their pockets and then they put in their own bag. They brought a bag to the store because there's. They're really conscientious.

[John C. Dvorak]

But you don't bring. You don't bring bags to the store. You seem like a bag kind of guy.

[Adam Curry]

No. Why would I bring bags to the store when I can get a double bag bag, a nice paper bags that I can use for other purposes?

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay. I didn't know you were going to

[Adam Curry]

bring a dirty old bag to the store. Because these bags are all dirty. These people bring these dirty old bags and they stuff. Stuff.

[John C. Dvorak]

Yeah, gotcha.

[Adam Curry]

Okay. So the plastic bags they now have in the produce sections of most stores in the Bay Area, at least starting. It's going to be everywhere. Are these biodegradable plastic bags? And so they biodegrade in the refrigerator. Refrigerator rot in the refrigerator within three days with the, with the fruit or vegetables inside. And because the bag is rotting, so does the fruit and vegetables. The stuff goes bad instantly.

[John C. Dvorak]

Don't you take your fruit out of the bag when you bring it home?

[Adam Curry]

Well, if I'm going to put in the refrigerator, I'm just going to put a piece of raw, raw stuff in the refrigerator. Not with no covering. Am I going to take it out of a bag and then wrap it in Saran Wrap. What am I supposed to do?

[John C. Dvorak]

I don't know. This is a conundrum.

[Adam Curry]

No, I used to use a nice plastic bag and then I put whatever it's in. So I pull the bag, I look at, see what's in the bag. There's some herbs in there, maybe some lettuce, maybe some cabbage. Who knows?

[John C. Dvorak]

Who knows?

[Adam Curry]

You're going to have to do the following. Buy your own plastic produce bags on a roll from Amazon for 12 bucks. 12 by 16 inch plastic produce bags on a roll. There's about 1212 bucks. It's made with real, the normal plastic that doesn't rot in the refrigerator and rot the fruit with it. And you buy a roll, it's 350 bags of rolls. 12 bucks, it turns out. So I bought one. I'm starting to use it because of this other I have to take. I got to go to the store. I buy whatever. I buy a couple tomatoes and I take them out and put them in this bag. It's a disgusting situation, but that's just the way it is. And I would recommend buying these, these plastic produce bag on a roll. That's your tip. All right, everyone, believe me, you're gonna need this.

[John C. Dvorak]

You're gonna need them. Stock up now while stocks last. There it is. John's Tip of the day. Noagendafun.com Tip of the Day.

[Adam Curry]

And sometimes Adam Created by Dana Berdetti. Well, we still do you actually ever shop?

[John C. Dvorak]

Oh, yeah, of course I do. And I use the bat we have. HEB has the regular rolls that don't. They're not biodegradable because you know why? Because we're Texans.

[Adam Curry]

Yeah, we don't do that. In the last.

[John C. Dvorak]

We don't do that.

[Adam Curry]

California give you one year.

[John C. Dvorak]

Okay, put in the red book. You will lose it. We don't do that stuff here, man. We got bags. We love our bags. And they don't charge us for any bags. Just use it. H E B hey, if you want to, you can stay tuned to your modern podcast app or if you're on noagendastream.com coming right up. We got just two good old boys. It's Sir Gene and the dude named Ben. Named Ben. We do that show. It's quite enjoyable. Followed by some end of show mixes from MVP and the one and only Deez Laughs I think you'll enjoy these. Then we will return on Thursday, March 5th. That'll be my sister's birthday. I have to put her on the birthday list. Looking forward to it. Already coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country, Fredericksburg, where we do great meetups in the morning, everybody.

[Adam Curry]

I'm Adam Curry and from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Duborak.

[John C. Dvorak]

We'll be back on Thursday. Until then, remember us at no agenda donations.com adios mo fos hui hooey and such. No more.

[Adam Curry]

These words are banned.

[John C. Dvorak]

Millennial stop stop saying

[Adam Curry]

67 adulting aesthetic

[John C. Dvorak]

appropriate binge by the way desist from muttering canonically chopped classy creative cringe created

[News Reporter]

just quit with these words. By the way the lulu drip dump

[John C. Dvorak]

dupe during the pandemic stop stop stop

[Adam Curry]

Eatery elevated for the plot by the way fun fat gifted girl dinner hard

[John C. Dvorak]

launch I'm in my blank era I y k Y k just stop saying Luke making next a whole person mellow mid by the way multi hyphenate not on my bingo card coated max pilled quiet luxury wriz shit post so this is crazy.

[Adam Curry]

By the way soft launch the blank of it all touch grass on the

[John C. Dvorak]

live people begging stop with unk vibe

[News Reporter]

by the way iconic by the way

[John C. Dvorak]

canonically it's not on my bingo card to see a multi affinity quiet luxury or a hard launch amid vibe is so cringe it makes me want to touch grass. By the way I know we've talked about Robert Maxwell all of the scientific publications didn't he didn't have that with

[Adam Curry]

his publishing empire publishing textbooks and responsible

[John C. Dvorak]

for Common Core the Maxwell name will be remembered that's for sure. The Maxwell name will be remembered, that's for sure.

[Adam Curry]

Sure. Yo he wasn't sure, Robert. He died in the Canary Islands in 91. Maybe someone thought he would sing like one.

[John C. Dvorak]

Especially under suspicion due in court the day he died. He owed 5 Billy but they sued him for 60 million. I mean they tried. Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well.

[Adam Curry]

Just laid ran the family business well she was the youngest of nine sentenced

[John C. Dvorak]

to 20 years of crimes.

[Adam Curry]

Who?

[John C. Dvorak]

No names were provided that end but

[Adam Curry]

no one minds Trump saying that. I wish it well was it another

[John C. Dvorak]

sign or a subtle tell? A funka teaming up to recruit young girls.

[Adam Curry]

What? I mean they did this all the

[John C. Dvorak]

time, all over the world.

[Adam Curry]

Hey now we have a line to

[John C. Dvorak]

check the Epstein files. Sickle psycho madam to the so called

[Adam Curry]

elite like Hollywood, Heidi Flights who did

[John C. Dvorak]

it in the 90s for celebrities. You just can't see all the different things that we're going through this time Robert Maxwell covered his tracks well. That Maxwell name will be remembered for sure. And that's what's left to tell his girlfriend's father. What's left to tell Robert Maxwell?

[Adam Curry]

Yo, what's left to tell?

[John C. Dvorak]

With all through scientific publishing and I think Pergamon Press was in part the control mechanism for making sure that revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a framework. Staring at the glass in the palm of my hand the 5 inch window to a dying land the algorithm knows what I'm gonna say Saber for the token she takes the value away Dry vocals, no echo, just the grit Deconstructing the narrative bit by bit oh the slaves have Glowing in the dark of the night Feeding us the hoity tidy version of right but we're in spicy mode, we're breaking the chain get mojams washing out the propaganda rain if you

[Adam Curry]

are paying for the product, you are the product. But if you're listening to Get Mo

[John C. Dvorak]

Jams, you're the producer.

[Adam Curry]

The best podcast in the universe. Dvorak.org Na when I'm not bombing Iran, I'm listening to no Agenda.