A (2:26)

Well, that's because he's tired. That was at the end of the day. He's. They're making him. He's in rehab, the rehab part of the hospital. So they're making him get up and walk around and you know, sit up and sit down and you know, fight, fight, fight. So, you know, Jay recorded this in the evening, so he's a little tired in the morning. He actually doesn't have much of a voice.

B (2:51)

No.

A (2:51)

In the morning he sounds great, but towards the evening he starts getting a little sluggish and you know, he's always optimistic, so there's that. So we'll see.

B (3:01)

Do you think that he can actually be back. He said, back online. Does that mean back on the mic, back on air within a week? Does he really think he can do that?

A (3:09)

You know, maybe we'll have to play it by ear and figure out if. How to do this because. Yeah. Where he's going to have to ease back into it. He's not 100% yet, that's for sure.

B (3:20)

Well, no, how's the, how's his mobility? How's his walking? How's.

A (3:25)

I mean, well, the. Jay and Brennan heard the occupational therapist go, slow down, slow down. As he was trailing behind him on the, on the ward, so.

B (3:37)

Oh, good.

A (3:38)

Yeah, he's doing great.

B (3:39)

Yeah, I talked to him. When did I talk to him? Monday, I think, or Tuesday. And he sounded really good. I was just like, you know, I said, does it hurt? He says yes. When he laughs, when he coughs. Okay, got it. But yeah, he sounded uncharacteristically grateful. Does that make any sense? He's like, yeah, thanks for calling. Katina said, can you talk to him? I said, what are we going to say? We don't talk ever. Like, we only talk on the show. I don't need to talk to him. And then I heard Horowitz talk to him. Dana Brunetti talk to him. Like, well, I should talk to him. I should say something.

A (4:22)

He's using his cell phone.

B (4:25)

Wow. For what? For, for surfing the web. Oh, just.

A (4:29)

Oh, no, that too. No, he's probably, for all I know he's listening to the show. But yeah, you know, it's, it, it's very encouraging. I can finally exhale and relax a little bit.

B (4:43)

Yeah, we're happy to hear that. So, of course, still a lot of emails coming in and everyone's very concerned. There was something you said on the last show. What was that? Are you okay?

A (5:00)

A 16 year old basset hound who just yawned.

B (5:04)

Wait a minute. How many dogs do you have? We got Moose locked up in your bedroom. Now you've got a basset hound. Is that the one that used to live with John or is this a different one?

A (5:12)

Different one. And this is, it's her sister, actually. The one that used to live with John. This is her sister. I have four dogs.

B (5:22)

Okay.

A (5:22)

Which is an all time low for me.

B (5:26)

So here's the note that someone sent when you asked about John's Medicare, Mimi said it only covers 60%. It freaked me out. I'm retiring next year. Everything I read says it covers 80% plus coverage is available for the remaining 20%. Was Mimi just mistaken?

A (5:49)

Maybe. I was going by what a hospital person told me. I have no idea. I've heard all kinds of varying numbers. We didn't get much of the extended coverage that you can opt for because we pay an awful lot for Medicare, just the part A and B as it is. So for whatever reason, you know, I mean, it's fine. Well, you know, it's final.

B (6:15)

I'll have you see, I'll have to work more. Have you. You should start a podcast. You have a podcast studio, I hear. So you should.

A (6:23)

I do, yeah.

B (6:24)

Everybody wants you and Tina to do a show now. All of a sudden was like, okay, fine, fine. What do you. Do you know what the hospital bill is yet, if you don't mind me asking?

A (6:34)

No, no, Nobody will tell me that at all because I. I'm always asking questions like, okay, he's going into rehab for a week. How much does that cost? And they all go.

B (6:43)

They don't.

A (6:45)

Above our pay grade. I've heard that three times now. So we'll see.

B (6:50)

So looking at the. At the quad screen right now, we have shooting at a synagogue in Michigan. Everybody is freaked out about Islam. Islam is taking over Texas. And now we have the big scare in California. I'm gonna ramp it up for you here. Say Federal Joint Terrorism Task Force has warned California law enforcement agencies that the Iran war could lead to a surprise drone attack somewhere in the state of California.

A (7:24)

And while the warning is being taken seriously, there is no credible threat at this time. Mary Beth Bec joins us live from the KTLA News center with more details on this developing news. MB Mike and Chair While the FBI isn't commenting, both Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass confirm they're aware of the FBI alert that was sent out last month as tensions were heating up between the US And Iran. The alert warns that Iran may conduct a surprise drone attack against targets in California if the US Carries out strikes against Iran.

B (7:58)

Now, of course, the Babylon be already posting. Thank you, sir. Benrose. That Iran says they've canceled the planned California attack after seeing that Gavin Newsom already destroyed it. That makes total sense. They did. They did ask the president about this on Air Force One. President Trump, what have you heard about this bulletin that some law enforcement put out about a possible Iran revenge plot in California where there would be some kind of a boat offshore launching drones towards being investigated. But you have a lot of things happening and all we can do is take them as they come. And the war itself is being prosecuted as well as anybody has ever seen. And this is other countries telling me too big countries, powerful countries. They said they've never seen anything like it. And they also agree with what I'm doing. They say it's an evil country and it's been for 47 years that way. And if they try to hit us back. Have you been briefed about how many Iran sleeper cells there could be inside the US Right now? And a lot of people came in through Biden with his stupid open border, but we know where most of them are. We've got our eye on all of them. I think they came in through the open border policies of sleepy Joe Biden, one of the worst, the worst president in the history of our country. And we've got our eyes on all of them. But the war itself is being prosecuted level that nobody's seen before. It's pretty. It's pretty amazing to watch. So being a media deconstructionist, I'm like, okay, where is this coming from? Where's the report from? Who said this? What is going on? I noticed.

A (9:42)

Yes, yes. Well, I, well, actually. Go ahead.

B (9:45)

Okay, we're going to keep. You supposed to.

A (9:47)

We're going to keep. We're going to keep doing this until we.

B (9:49)

Yeah. Until we get it. Learn each other's supposed to say, go ahead, Kara. That is the. That is. Go ahead, Kara. I noticed a lot of these reports came from abc. And so I go looking at ABC and, well, listen to this report. Good afternoon. I can tell you we just learned that the FBI reportedly warned California police about that unconfirmed intelligence report involving a possible drone strike by Iran off the West Coast. That's according to ABC News. It's reports like that one, which is exactly why we see some barricades outside fencing here. We know that by Sunday there will be hundreds of police officers deployed here to the Dolby Theater, along with hundreds of federal, Homeland Security and FBI personnel. But important to note, authorities emphasize there is no confirmed specific threat tied to the Oscars right now. But they say heightened vigilance is necessary given the global tensions created by the conflict with Iran. Authorities say an encoded shortwave radio message believed to have originated in Iran was detected shortly after the reported killing of the country's Supreme Leader on February 28th. Investigators say the number sequence resembled signals historically used to communicate with COVID operatives and may have been intended for sleeper cells, though officials stress there is no confirmed threat tied to it right now. ABC News, as we just said, reporting the FBI recently warned California law enforcement about intelligence suggesting Iran may have considered launching drone attacks from a vessel off the US west coast if American strikes occurred. Officials say the report included no detail on timing, targets or perpetrators and remains unconfirmed. Oh, so it's unconfirmed. It's an old report. And the Oscars are this Sunday on abc.

A (11:44)

Yeah, absolutely. But so I. When I first heard about the cryptic messages, I started looking around and I occasionally go to some of the. I think they're wonks, technically, who are really into shortwave Now. When I was a kid, I had a shortwave radio, so I know what they're talking about. Most people don't. So I do have a really good. From Ringway, Manchester and an introduction to the shortwave numbers, what it means. So that's. It says shortwave introduction.

B (12:14)

Well, it's been a. Hold on. Shortwave introduction. Yes, I got it. I got it. The signal in question is a number station. For those who don't know, they're mainly groups of numbers, sometimes letters, encrypted by means of a one time pad, making them impossible to decode by anyone except the sender and recipient. They have been used for almost 100 years now to send and receive the most sensitive information between the intelligence services and agents and spies in the field. Aside from voice messages, number stations also consist of data and digital modes as well as Morse code. There are still many in use today. It's not often we see new number stations appear these days, however, the most recent one I can recall is V30, the Vietnamese lighthouse number station. It appeared on February 21, 2010, but disappeared on May 6, 2016. The thought of a number station appearing on the air in 2026 is something really spectacular and quite honestly, unbelievable. A new one has appeared, though it would seem on 7910kHz last night and tonight. And it's definitely one to watch. It's believed to be operated by Iran. Iran has never operated a number station before. This one appeared suddenly and mysteriously after the death of Ayatollah Khamenei. So. Before you continue, I just want to establish. This is bull crap. It is to promote the Oscars. So everybody knows you got to watch the Oscars on Sunday. It's this Sunday. Don't miss it. The Oscars. Everybody could be blown to bits. They could blow up all the celebrities. That is the entire reason for the report. But I'm glad You got the number station report because there's been a couple of really stupid reports in the past few weeks where someone is. I'm a ham radio guy, so I know all about the digital stations. And then all of a sudden, on a part of the. Of the band, where people send digital messages, which is actually one of my favorite ways of doing ham radio, because you can do it with low power, all of a sudden they're like, oh, listen to this. And it's just like OLIVIA. Or it's PSK 32 or 31. I mean, this is nothing special. So for now, all of a sudden, to have a number station pop up, that's interesting. So what do you have?

A (14:41)

So I've got. There's four clips and they all kind of fit together. I keep my clips really short because it's easier for me where this guy, Ringway Manchester, actually discusses it. He goes into probably too much detail, such as he talks about that it shows up and suddenly there's a lot of bubble sounds that show up. The way that they can block it is through this much louder sound and Iran is blocking the station, so it keeps bouncing around. So we should probably just go to Ringway final. Because that explains what they think it is. Because they don't think it originates from Iran. They know that the countries that still do these number stations include Israel and Russia. Russia. Russia, yeah. And they haven't, because it's jumping around. They also haven't been able to figure out where the tower is, but they do not think it comes from Iran. So if we do, I think six is a pretty good final.

B (15:52)

Is this the wrong one? This is the Manchester final. Is that what. That what you want me to play here?

A (15:56)

3. I'm sorry? Manchester 3. The finals. Just a final. Sorry.

B (16:00)

All right, no problem. Many of the comments on my recent videos regarding this station have posed the same question. Could V32 actually be operated by somebody other than Iran? Could it be operated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency or Israel's Mossad in order to signal agents inside Iran? Has been the main question put forward in the comments. While many people have raised this question, on the face of it it sounds absurd. The CIA hasn't operated a number station for many decades, and Israel hasn't for about 15 years either. Presumably, they've moved to more sophisticated ways of sending secret information. These past few days, however, something has happened that would appear to support the theory that the Persian number station may not be Iranian in origin. It's been jammed and it's been jammed hard. The interesting thing is that the jammer sounds remarkably like the bubble jammers Iran uses and has used for many years in order to jam foreign broadcasters such as Radio Fada. It's like I'm living in the 50s again. What is going on?

A (17:05)

So, so our news stations going, oh, cryptic messages from Iran.

B (17:09)

Yes.

A (17:10)

The experts in this are saying, you know, I don't think so. And it's. I always find it amusing that our news spins it for fear. It's just fear. Oh, secret messages are getting out.

B (17:24)

Well, yeah, we all saw the Americans, so we know it's true. We know that's how the Russians do it. And of course, it's also during Russiagate. Didn't we have. Was that woman. She was the wife of, I think one of the FBI agents and they were communicating through. Through ham radio. Gosh, I forget what the story was,

A (17:50)

Ron. If you listen to Tuci tv, he talks about everybody so freaked out after the pager thing and everything else that they aren't communicating through any devices. They're sending couriers all over the place.

B (18:04)

I'm skeptical of this 2ctv guy.

A (18:07)

Are you?

B (18:07)

Yeah, I am. Because he just popped up all of a sudden. And you even said on the last show you said, well, I don't know where he came from. I got a note from someone about it. Hold on a second.

A (18:19)

Oh, good.

B (18:22)

Yeah. So this producer is Israeli, living in the US since 2017. February 22nd, friend of me told. Friend of mine told me to go watch two CTV reports that Iran launched some 100 missiles, a bunch were intercepted and nine hit Tel Aviv. I then checked in Israeli news outlets, there was no mention of it. Talked to friends in Israel who said that no one was even thinking about Iran at the time. Reported back to my friend the American and said all is quiet in the holy land. He checked Tusi's website again and all of a sudden those videos were gone. March 1st after the actual attacks. I asked him to go to the website again and see if they had the same video reports. He said that the video he was watching was pretty much the same one he watched a week before. So our producer's hypothesis, they had a package all ready to roll. Someone let it slip a week in advance. And 2ctv is somehow someone else's billboard.

A (19:19)

Tucson lives in the UK.

B (19:21)

Okay, I'm not saying that he's not in Iran. The UK is our enemy. Right.

A (19:28)

Well, so he's. And the thing is he has been on for about two years. He used to do just long form documentaries and I used to watch those. So I'm familiar with them. I'm not quite sure, but I enjoy watching it because why not? It's the same as watching mainstream media. It's just a different perspective of propaganda.

B (19:47)

I'm just saying. Yes, yes. I'm just saying we need to be suspicious of 2 CTV. I am. least.

A (19:53)

I agree.

B (19:54)

Okay, so the final clip here.

A (19:57)

Now you don't have to worry about that. You skipped over it. It's fine. They fit together that way. So the whole thing with shortwave, I'm just amused that suddenly something pops up on shortwave and I haven't thought about a number station for years. And I just. It's like. And suddenly our news is saying, oh, oh. It's a cryptic message. It's blah, blah, blah. Uh huh.

B (20:20)

Well, I have a recording of the. Of the number station that I wanted to share with everybody and I think this is. It becomes kind of obvious. India tango, Mike. Standby 33. There you go. It's obvious. Obvious what the code is. No, this is just a promotion for the Oscars. I'm telling you because the report from the FBI is months old. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. We're gonna have an Iranian drone ship off the coast of California police.

A (20:57)

Yeah, I know. I find it to be interesting. Meanwhile, you know the thing in New York with the Mom Dummies residents being bombed as it first came out, and then when the real story comes out, it's like.

B (21:08)

It's like two teenagers.

A (21:10)

No, it is two teenagers.

B (21:12)

Yeah. Here I have a clip. New details tonight surrounding the Bucks county teenagers accused of trying to carry out an ISIS inspired attack. In New York City, ABC News has learned they allegedly considered other targets before driving into Manhattan late Saturday morning with homemade bombs. While searching a storage unit in Middletown Township this week, investigators discovered a notebook in which the teens wrote about soft targets like shopping centers. Investigators also say Emir Balat and Ibrahim Kayoumi had been planning some kind of attack for at least a week. Two members of the NYPD are being hailed as heroes for their efforts in chasing down the suspects near the mayor's home Gracie Mansion. They spoke today about their action. I saw the device hit the floor and I just ran. I knew that I needed a safe, so I ran towards the people to make sure that nobody got hurt. It was all instinct. There wasn't a lot of. There wasn't a lot of thought, you know, there was a real threat, there was a real danger there. And the goal was just to get to it. Bilats and Kayumi are Being held on a terrorism charge, use of weapons of mass destruction and other offenses tonight. Did these things even go off?

A (22:23)

No, they didn't. But first, I like the fact that everybody was like, oh, this is the very first reports where it's, you know,

B (22:31)

Iran synthesizers, sleeper cell, sleeper cells.

A (22:34)

Except ISIS and Iran hate each other. So I don't know how that works.

B (22:39)

Details.

A (22:41)

And then the other part is these, these. So I have the Philly Teen Storage, which I found to be very amusing because it's got. Oh, sorry, I won't.

B (22:52)

Go ahead, go ahead.

A (22:54)

I just. What I find really interesting is the way this whole thing is reported. It was like, oh, God, how did they get this information? How'd they do this? And so let's play the Teen Storage and then I will give you some other information.

B (23:10)

This is the moment the FBI blew up suspicious items found at a storage unit outside Philadelphia. Investigators say they contained explosive residue and were linked to the two teens charged with attempting to carry out an ISIS inspired attack in New York. One of the teens seen here hurling a homemade bomb that tested positive for the explosive th ATP. Police say a second device the teen ignited before running down the sidewalk and leaping over a police barrier was also a potentially viable explosive. Hey, I'm a potentially viable explosive.

A (23:45)

So they have a bunch of other reports about how the kid was buying fuses. Like that's some kind of thing with. If you don't understand that in Pennsylvania they have the laxest fireworks regulations in the country. They have stores that are open 365 days a to buy class C fireworks, consumer grade. And it's like where he went into is like a chain of superstore for fireworks. The kids are kind of interesting because Amir Bilat, his father sought asylum in 1998. He's been naturalized. The kid was a senior, but not in high school. He was in a virtual program. And then at the first meeting of court, he said, oh. His attorney said, well, he's got complicated stuff going on. His father's a painter. So this, this TATP is triacetone triperoxide, which is just hydrogen peroxide and acetone.

B (24:48)

Right. His father would want. Yeah, exactly.

A (24:51)

Now, without too much trouble, I found multiple instances where you can find out how to make this online. And I have one that's just that you don't have to go on too long. But this is one guy who actually did a whole thing on how to make it. It's called Molecular Playground.

B (25:08)

Oh, I got it here. Yes. Investigators descending on a pair of quiet neighborhoods. This is the Moment the FBI blew up suspicious items. I'm sorry, it's Linux. Pay no attention to what's going on. Here we go. I thank you all for following me this past year. Without you, I would have retired this channel a long time ago. Seriously, if you asked me a year ago that I would have a YouTube channel with a thousand subscribers, I would think you're crazy. But now I believe we can go even bigger. Now. How big? Well, let's find out. However, with growth comes the growing pains. It seems acetone peroxide, my video, has become a lightning rod for controversy. And by that I mean it has more than two negative comments. In fact, only acetone peroxide has been both revered and revived by the community. Everything else has received nothing but love. I can't stress enough the dangers of acetone peroxide. Especially dry. Looking back, I probably should have put a PSA within the intro about its dangers. Hmm.

A (26:12)

Meanwhile, I have another one called eight years ago on Facebook.

B (26:16)

Okay, got it.

A (26:20)

Video. Police say this guy is talking about a highly explosive concoction nicknamed the Mother of Satan. This is the same stuff used in some deadly huge attacks like the one in Paris. It's a Facebook video.

B (26:32)

That's frightening. That's only 3%.

A (26:35)

Police say that's 28 year old Cali Vellante inside his northeast Albuquerque apartment showing off a trove of chemicals and actually

B (26:43)

synthesize a more explosive compound, tatp.

A (26:47)

Tatp, or Mother of Satan, is a combo of hydrogen peroxide, acetone and acid. It's unclear if Volante's making it or wants to, but the video on his public profile was enough to get him arrested for having an explosive device.

B (27:02)

I remember this. I mean, yeah, I remember all of the. There were more cases like this?

A (27:07)

Yes, I found about 15 right off the bat.

B (27:10)

Yeah, people were getting arrested in the drugstore for buying too much nail polish, removed mover, you know, all kinds of stuff like that. Now because I looked up the FBI affidavit to see if they had been in contact with the boys beforehand. Appears not. But one of the boys mom did report him missing on the day of the attack, so there's that. The whole thing just stinks.

A (27:36)

Well, you know, the whole thing is. It's like. But then the one thing that. That showed up and then it disappeared is that they. It was. I have to wrestle paper. Sorry. That it was claimed early on that both of them watched ISIS propaganda on their phones and. Okay, maybe the claim is that ISIS recruits from Roblox and Discord, they're called Cubs of The cellophate and cellophate revivalists. There's a whole bunch of specials that have never gotten a lot of airplay that are about this 764 targeting kids.

B (28:16)

Oh, yeah, now we've talked about 764. Sure.

A (28:18)

Right. So I'm waiting for that to start to get connected with this. Just because there are so many stupid videos on 764, which, you know, again, it sounds a lot like, like, Epstein stuff. It also seems like, you know, it's the same thing that I've heard forever how you Internet is preying on your children.

B (28:40)

Well, it is, of course.

A (28:42)

Yeah, it is.

B (28:43)

Yeah, it is. It is. But I think the overarching thing is that this is not new. This has been going on forever. All of these types of Internet getting kids to do stupid stuff, most of it perpetrated by the FBI. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you where to get you. Go get the stuff over there. And then when they're about to hit the phony ignition, then they arrest him, and then the FBI is the hero. So not in this case.

A (29:09)

Right. Well, in this case, the bomb wasn't put together properly because I guess these kids aren't all that great when it comes to following directions.

B (29:17)

But it's so good to scare the American public continuously. That's what we want. We want a scared population. Scare them.

A (29:27)

And the entire situation was Nick Shirley actually interviewed Jake Lang, who was the one who was doing the anti Islamism thing at Mandami's house. And he had a lot of press there, and he was walking a goat because this entire thing was that, you know, that Muslims screw goats. He had a roasted pig in front of Mondami's house. He was just doing everything he could, which is what he does to be inflammatory and annoying. And so a bunch of other people on the other side came out, and that was the protest. But there were never more than, like, 50 people in front of the house. It was really not. The whole thing is like. It was lame. And it's like I. And the amount of crazy stuff that came out, actually, I really like. You know, Mount Dime first comes out, and he's like, criticizing this anti. That they were attacking him. That was the first thing he said. You know, it was like everything started to twist. But oddly enough, people twisted back. And I think that the best thing is the mondame criticism for March 9th. I have a clip that I just thought. I keep talking over it. I'm sorry. We'll get it down.

B (30:49)

New York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani also facing brutal backlash over his response to that attack. Mamdani posted a statement labelizing the protest organizer as a white supremacist, but never

A (31:01)

mentioned that it was the protesters who

B (31:03)

were the ones target targeted or that

A (31:05)

the suspects appeared to have radical Islamic motives. According to investigators, New York Congressman Mike

B (31:11)

Lawler responded online writing, quote, they were radical Islamic terrorists. As mayor of the largest city in the world and the greatest target of

A (31:19)

terrorism, you don't need to confront this head on. Don't just call out one group of

B (31:24)

protesters and not the other group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is perfect. You know, in the age of social media, Fredericksburg, everybody's all flipping out because, you know, this had been this constant, nonstop campaign that Islam is taking over Texas. It's non stop.

A (31:50)

The number of fake bomb things in the news in the last week have just been insane. You know, this school, you know, hospitals, this and that. But if you look at the numbers, you know, there's. Last year alone, there were 2,400, you know, fake bomb calls, and we sure didn't hear about it. So it's a convenient thing to trot out to try to scare people.

B (32:14)

Well, here's Anderson Pooper continuing the fear. Richard, I'm wondering what you make of that FBI memo because we were showing pictures of Shahid drones. It seems unlikely Iran would have access to shahid drones in the US but certainly commercial drones, Jerry, rigged with explosives. We've seen that all over Ukraine. Oh, I should mention I met with a buddy from Holland yesterday. He runs a nonprofit. I forget the name of the nonprofit, but it's the crisis response. And he brings in mesh networks and gets people up on wi fi. And so when we had the big flood here, I remember, yeah, he came in. So he's actually setting up a company in San Antonio. Really nice guy, Eff. And he said, man, you would not believe that the minute all of the EU decided to spend all this, hundreds of millions of euros on anti drone technology, guess what? The drones stopped flying over airports. All of a sudden, you don't hear about it anymore. It's all a scam. It's amazing. Perfect example, Anderson. Could the Iranians get their larger drones into the country or off the coast of California? Highly doubtful. But we heard them describe this as an aspirational thought. What we're really concerned about is it becomes inspirational. This is California, the largest Iranian population in the United States. And there certainly could be several people that are sympathetic to the regime. So that's certainly one of the problems. So this threat which was described as aspirational, not imminent. What is the intelligence threshold for when the FBI shares this kind of information with other law enforcement agents? Well, this is the job of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. In every FBI office every single day, they coordinate with all of their partners. In this case, it looks like this information came from the Coast Guard. They collate this information. Again, we heard it's unverified, uncorroborated, no actionable intelligence. But in this day and age, they're going to share that information. They have no choice. Nobody wants to be caught sitting on any of this. And we see that California has taken the appropriate steps. They're going to notify their emergency responders. All the police departments throughout the state are aware of this. And that means they'll just check their traps. They'll talk to the people that they need to talk to, talk to any sources, research any ongoing cases, and look to see if anything like this is being planned. Yeah, Disaster Tech Lab is the name of AFERT's nonprofit. So, yeah, this is just more fear. And of course, now we have this Michigan car crashing into a synagogue. And, you know, Michigan Dearborn Islam, they're taking over. We're going to be like, you're. We got Tommy Robinson going around to churches in Texas. I like Tommy Robinson in general, but he's. He's going to pastors and saying, you better start talking about this because it's happening. You don't want to be like the uk you're probably more vulnerable. I'm like, the situation is quite different. You know, Texas has 400,000 Muslims. Are there some Islamists who are nuts? Of course. But it's not like I don't like it when people are walking around afraid of a brown person. It's stupid.

A (35:27)

Well, and California, yes, has a large Iranian population, especially in Los Angeles.

B (35:33)

Yeah, Persians, we call them. We're Persians.

A (35:37)

And most of them were never Muslims to begin with. I mean, I know families from Iran that moved to Southern California, and they were Iranian. They were Jewish Iranians and Christian Iranians because they were the ones that had the most to lose by the ayatollah coming in. I mean, I know there were people that I knew as a kid that were killed by the Iranians, you know, by the ayatollah. They were just hauled off, tortured and killed. I do not see that we need to fear Iranians. And I don't really see that saying that, that, oh, well, you know, there's a large Iranian population, like, they're a threat to us. I mean, no. And this, it's against.

B (36:21)

But no one is looking. No one is looking at Iranians. They're looking at Muslims. And then so if there's a mosque, then that mosque is by definition suspicious and they're gonna come and get you. That's what's happening. That's what's happening here in Texas. It is. And it's in particular Christians are being terrorized with this.

A (36:42)

Yeah.

B (36:43)

Well, to get them to vote Republican. It's always the same.

A (36:49)

Yeah. I kind of liked, I have a thing called Sky News priority of US Media and I found that to be kind of a very interesting take cnn, let's talk about them because they've come under fire for spinning the ISIS inspired

B (37:06)

attempted bombing out the front of the

A (37:08)

new Mayer's residence into some kind of human interest color story. In a questionable post on X, the network wrote two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day, enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather. But in less than an hour their lives would drastically change as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs during an anti Muslim protest outside of

B (37:37)

Mayor Zoran Mamdani's home.

A (37:40)

I mean, even talking about just it

B (37:42)

was an anti Muslim protest, not the

A (37:44)

fact that these two were suspected of doing it in the name of isis. According to police, CNN has since deleted the post and issued an apology. Truly this is beyond parody, isn't it?

B (37:58)

Now it's bizarre, but it's such obviously fascinating insight. Doesn't matter. They deleted it because this is what they were thinking. They only deleted it because the backlash. But such a fascinating, fascinating insight into the legacy media and how they deal with these issues. Right. Look, this is not crazy. Surprising, surprising. Unfortunately, I did a little bit of an analysis and I fed this to three different AI models and what they came up with, that there's been three in the last 24 hours. Three times as much coverage on these civilian deaths in Iran than there has been on an ISIS attack, attack here in the United States. It's absolutely incredible on what the priorities are. And they're doing that obviously because they want to make this war look like some evil, terrible war where civilians are being murdered. By the way, just for some context, cnn, just so you know, yes, there have been a little under 2000 Ryan civilians who have been killed. And that's awful, right, Obviously. But some context. You're Talking about roughly 15 and 30,000 bombs that have been dropped in Iran. Talk about Precision to have 2000 civilian death deaths with that kind of heavily, heavily Weaponry being dropped in Iran shows you how much the US Military in Israel cares about trying not to hit civilian deaths. That should be the article. Not the article saying, look how many civilian deaths are. And by the way, ignoring pretty much the ISIS attacks. It just gives you a sense of the priorities of the US Media. Yeah, obviously. I've seen her on Sky News. We used to play a lot of clips, but at a certain point, I'm like, like, look at your own media lady. Yeah.

A (39:34)

Oh, no, there's that.

B (39:36)

It really sucks over there. Okay. And he used three large language models. Oh, I'm so glad you did that. Now I feel so secure in what you've discovered.

A (39:47)

The point, though, that we have exploded a lot of stuff, but when you consider that it's like it takes out one apartment, you know, one apartment in a complex, and that people are getting killed that way, you know, this isn't massive carpet bombing. It's not. It's a new style of warfare. And for us to be going, oh, look how many people were killed? Well, you know, the IRGC killed easily in the last protest, 30,000 people. And they've killed more than 100,000 in the 47 years, if not more. And it's like, you know, trying to make this attack on Iran seem like, you know, like, oh, you know, down with terrorists, down with, you know, with horrible rulers. Oh, but except Iran. We shouldn't be attacking there. I'm getting really confused by the whiplash that I'm seeing. And I'm seeing it here.

B (40:42)

It's because it's Trump. That's why Trump is doing something that no president has done. And even me saying, like, he's doing something no president has done, people come out and, you know, I'm unsubscribing. I will never donate now. I get it. And yeah, President Trump definitely said no more foreign wars, no more forever, whatever he said the idea was, we're not going to have war. And it doesn't matter what he does, particularly in the eu. Again, from Evert, who just came over, he says, you know, in Holland, for years, like, oh, the poor Iranian people, we should set them free. They need help. We need to do something. Trump says, we're coming to help. And then I guess this is going to help. And immediately, oh, you should never done that. It's Trump. It's just Trump. People hate Trump, and Trump knows it. And he's gotten over that. He doesn't care anymore. He's doing what he thinks is right. I hope he's right. I hope that he, that it goes the way he thinks it will. A lot of my military contacts don't think so. They think that it's going to be similar to Afghanistan. There's going to be all kinds of crazy people running the show over there and then neither you nor I will ever be invited. On Tucker Carlson show with he had McGregor on who refused to even speak to John for an interview, which still irks John. And here is McGregor's take. We need to end this. And somebody will say, well why do you need to end it? Because if we don't, we're going to hit $300 per barrel of oil. We're going to watch 60 to 80% of the stock value crash. People are going to lose trillions in wealth. It will be a disaster and it's not something we'll recover from. We've already seen that the Israelis hit a refinery on the outskirts of Tehran and what did Iran do? They destroyed the refinery and it's supporting infrastructure in Haifa. How does this help us? How does this help anybody? The damage that's being done is going to be semi permanent. And by that I mean it's going to take years to recover from this. The Qatari government has said we're shutting down. We can't store anymore, we can't drill anymore, we can't refine anymore. I mean the, this, this is a catastrophe. We look at this and say, well, only 3% of our oil comes from the Gulf. Well, I got news for you. 50% of it goes to India, 50% goes to China. You know, 70 plus percent goes to Japan. What? Wait a minute, he ran out of percent. He went from 50 to 50 to 75 goes to India, 50% goes to China. You know, 70 plus percent goes to Japan. Mid 60% or so, 64, 65% goes to South Korea. He's at 210%. Now we call the President or the Prime Minister of Japan. Did we call the president of Korea and say, by the way, we're considering a war against Iran, action against Iranians and we want to know what you think the impact will be on your country because you are friends of ours, you are our allies.

A (44:02)

Allies.

B (44:03)

Did we do. I don't think so. I think we are acting like the biggest bully in the schoolyard. To hell with everybody else. This is what I want and I'm going to pound your face into the dust. Well, you can't do that in international relations for very long before people gang up against you. Okay, that is, that is his opinion there. I Don't know. I don't know.

A (44:26)

I, I don't want to have pizza at his house because I don't think there's enough pizza for everyone. His percentage.

B (44:33)

Pizza? Did you say pizza? Did you want pizza with grape soda? What are you talking about?

A (44:39)

And jerky? And jerky. No, it's just, it's just one of those, it's, it's new math, you know, I, I went to school and when they changed the math.

B (44:46)

No, I think what he meant to say is 75 of their imports comes from Iran. But it just came out in a strange way. But, but this is, this is clearly, clearly about China. And at the same time it's clearly also about Russia, as Russia is now benefiting from this even more than we are, or probably equally to what we are. And from everything I've understood, Russia is going to start selling their oil in dollars. This is ultimately what it's about. Since the pipeline episode, episode 100 or whatever it was. It's about the oil. It always is.

A (45:29)

Well, yes, it is about the oil. There's no two ways about it.

B (45:33)

Unless you're Queen Ursula in the eu. Oh no, no, no.

A (45:37)

Since the beginning of this conflict, gas prices have risen by 50% and oil prices have risen by 27%. If you translate this in euros, the

B (45:51)

10 days of war have already cost

A (45:54)

European taxpayers an additional 3 billion euros in fossil fuel imports.

B (46:02)

Additional, that is the price of our dependence

A (46:08)

and honorable members.

B (46:10)

Fact is, we have energy sources that

A (46:13)

are homegrown, renewables and nuclear. Their prices have remained the same over the last 10 days.

B (46:22)

Yet in current crisis, some argue that we should abandon our long term strategy

A (46:29)

and even go back to Russian fossil fuels.

B (46:33)

This would be a strategic blunder. Alright, so after we blew up the nuclear plants in Germany, we're now going to save our souls with wind and with solar in the eu. But, but going back to Russian fossil fuels would be a blunder of epic proportion. And so this brings us to the oil.

A (46:55)

Yep.

B (46:57)

Here's a little update on the latest in the straits tonight. With 20% of the world's oil being prevented from passing through this vital waterway, three vessels attacked in the critical Strait of Hormuz. One of those ships in flames, claiming the captains ignored their warnings not to come through. Attention all ships. From now on, all navigating through the Strait of Hormuz is forbidden. Meanwhile, a foreign oil tanker was ablaze in the port of Umm Qasa near Basra in southern Iraq. A security source saying the vessel sustained significant damage. It's not yet Known what the cause was, Antonio. Iranian drones also striking Oman's largest oil facility, setting off massive explosions in videos circulating online. All of this adding to huge global volatility in oil markets and gas prices. Back in the US Tonight, the retaliation from Iran on those ships and oil fields seen as a major escalation. It comes just hours after the US struck at least 16 boats capable of laying sea mines in that all important Strait of Hormuz. Iran tonight now warning the world to get ready for oil prices to skyrocket to $200 per barrel. Earlier, the president was pressed if he'd still encourage oil companies to pass through the dangerous Strait of hormuz after saying 24 hours ago the crews on those oil tankers should have the good guts to do it. I think they should use liquid took out. And even as all of this plays out, the president tonight in Kentucky claiming victory. And we've won. Let me say we've won. You know, you never like to say too early, you won, we won. We won. The bet in the first hour. It was over. David. These attacks by Iran causing havoc with international shipping and oil prices. President Trump has said he'd act to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, but so far, Iran's ability to, to pose danger to any vessel, all too clear. So that predicates the releasing of oil from the strategic reserves. And I have a clip here from Pooper about it. So it's very hard to judge what winning is. And what we see from Iran, including today, is they're not backing down. Right. They're continuing to. They get a vote. Iran gets a vote in this as well, in terms of how they respond. And clearly they are willing toi mean, it seems like they are willing to try to shut down the Strait of Hormuz even though economically it will hurt Iran. They have other objectives. Yeah, this is existential for them. Right. This is the survival of the regime. Aside from killing the new ayatollah's father as well as his mom and his sister, you know, they've completely. This is a moment for them of, of survival. And so you saw them today, as you pointed out there, they attacked ships, commercial ships in the straits. They don't care. The prices are going up. I think they believe that's their greatest, that's their greatest strength against the world. Obviously, the President and some of our partners releasing oil reserves today, significant oil reserves. I'm not sure how much of an impact that's going to have on pricing, but they know people are feeling it at home and they're watching on tv seeing what's going on as it spreads in the North, Hezbollah and Lebanon. It's always amazing how when the President makes the, gets the prices down of gasoline at the pump, there's no real talk about it. But now it's like, oh, he's making everything spike. And I got an interview that I found on CNBC which was quite good, surprisingly. But CNBC does have to get into some factual stuff with the Secretary of Energy. Wright, is it Steve Wright? Wright. I forget his name, first name, I don't know what his name is. And he gave a little more information into exactly what's going on because we're not really letting anything go out of our strategic reserves. We're not because that takes a while to get the oil out. Listen to what they're doing instead. US plans to release 172 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in an effort to lower energy costs during the Iran war. Joining us now is Energy Secretary Chris Wright. Chris, it's good to see you. Thanks for, for hanging out. I'm doing some, some math here and thinking about the SPR. We're only at 58% right now. If we use 100 million out of, out of 415 will be below 50% full, won't we? We will. But as we release this oil to address the short term needs, we're doing it in swaps. So we're going to release 172 million barrels and swap it for more than 200 million barrels that will be back in the reserve within a year. So ultimately this is going to help us fill the reserve, but we need the oil in the short term for that, for short term pain, for long term gain. How does that work? Because I saw that. So that you will get, it will get, you will get 200 back with no cost to the taxpayer. How does that work? Just think of the price structure of oil right now. You know, it's backwardated so the front month price is much higher than the 12 months out price. Right. Okay. All right. So, so yeah, that, that the math actually, actually works out. I think it's a great idea. We'll just do a swap. Yeah. And then, and then when, you know, we just, we just borrow the oil, they give us this oil and then when the price is back to 60, we'll give you some oil back. It's a smart, smart way to do it.

A (52:43)

Of course. I love all this. You know in Washington State we have the second highest gas prices in the country where for Years and years we were right in the, in the pack with, with the average price around the country. But you know, good old Inslee pushed through the Climate Commitment act and saying, oh, it's only going to add one or two cents. Well, it doesn't add one or two cents. It adds about 50 cents to our per gallon of oil of gasoline. And it hurts, it really hurts because we're living way out here on the peninsula and you know, it's two and a half hours to get to Seattle. Everything gets trucked to us and the bump that we've seen has been about $0.20, $0.30 on average. But meanwhile, you know, it's, it, you know, some of the legislators are going, well we should roll it back. And, and the governor's saying no, no, we can't, no, no.

B (53:39)

Climate change, climate change, climate change.

A (53:40)

Well, the money's already spent. And then, and then in California, you know, there are more and more refineries leaving because of the crazy stuff that's been passed to get them out. So it's like why, you know,

B (53:55)

you're

A (53:56)

already killing us with these prices. I mean I've seen pictures. What's the gas prices where you are? They have to be something that would just make me cry.

B (54:03)

In the threes. Okay, yeah, for premium, for premium. Super duper 98 octane. I think it's 3:40.

A (54:13)

It's five here. Yeah, it's five here.

B (54:17)

You're in a crap state. Sorry. You know, I know Uber all us. Right, right. Continues here to explain that it's not just the US releasing, releasing strategic reserves. And again it's not just the United States that's releasing, you know, it's 30 nations around the world. There's no shortage or even really tight oil market in the Western hemisphere. The issues in Asia, that's where the oil from the Persian Gulf flows. Japan is releasing three times more than their pro rata share. Just addressing where, where is the struggle is in refineries in Asia. We're just getting, getting oil into those refineries as quick as possible. We're going through a short term disruption, but it's overdue to address this Iranian threat that's, that's festered and grown for 47 years. Okay, trying to make it sound good. And are we ready to escort ships yet, Chris? I think people are, you know, would love to see the Navy being able to escort a tanker through this strait. And earlier this week from an expose, it looked like that was happening. It wasn't happening. I guess the White House later said that it was incorrect. Why isn't it happening? Can it happen now? Will it happen soon? That the Navy can do that? It'll happen relatively soon, but it can't happen now. We're simply not ready. All of our military assets right now are focused on destroying Iran's offensive capabilities and the manufacturing industry, industry that supplies their offensive capabilities. You know, we don't want this to be a brush off for a year or two. We want to permanently destroy their ability to build missiles, to build drones, to have a nuclear program. It is amazing. They have invested all of the wealth of their country, deprived the rights of all of their people simply to build a war machine. And we are systematically, day by day, destroying that war machine. Machine. Yeah, I like this because that was the first time someone's given kind of a straight answer as to what we're actually doing. And for him to say, oh, no, we're getting rid of all their production because obviously we need US Companies to go in there and start doing production and refining. And then Becky, Becky over at cnbc, she had a series of very good questions. Wearing her, she wears a tie, which looks kind of odd.

A (56:37)

Secretary Wright, when you say weeks, not months, for the incursion, the war, whatever you might want to call this, whatever the markets are focused on, does that mean days or weeks before you might be able to start escorting some of those tankers through the strait? We talked to an oil expert earlier this morning. She suggested that if this carries on for the next couple of weeks, through the end of the month, that you could be looking at oil prices above $150. And it's not just oil that they're are concerns about. There is helium, tanks of helium trying to get through because that's critical to making sure we can continue to manufacture semiconductors. There's nothing that can be substituted for the cooling properties of helium with that. Do you think by the end of this month the US Navy will be escorting some of those ships through the strait?

B (57:26)

I think that, yes, I think that is quite likely the case. But again, I mean, I'll be over at the Pentagon later today. But that is, that is what the military is working on. And yes, a lot of critical materials come out of the Straits of Hormuz. Look, we have a large global economy. Fortunately, with President Trump's policies, you know, the United States is a net exporter of oil. We're a net exporter of natural gas. And in fact, we're growing our net exports of natural gas this spring, this summer, you'll see massively more Capacity online by the end of this year. Natural gas is another problem product. So we've done the right things in the US to make the western hemisphere a much better place and to supply the world. But it is short term pain for the long term gain. But it's simply a must achieve thing. Otherwise you've got decades into the future of an Iran that can hold the world hostage whenever it wants. Yes. You know, there is disruption right now to do this and if we had, if the election had gone a no other way, we probably would. Our kids would be living with Iran, you know, to the end of their lives. That's not acceptable outcome. Yeah, they've been with me my whole life so far.

A (58:35)

Well, not the irgc. Since when have we ever escorted merchant marine ships anywhere? My dad was a merchant marine. He was a merchant marine in World War II. During World War II, you know that all, everything was munitions, supplies. Everything was shuttled around by merchant ships. Ships and they were sitting ducks. They were sunk more than any other group of military ships weren't sunk. Merchant marine ships were sunk. When he was in Vietnam, he did the munitions thing through all their little waterways and the big thing was don't go on deck because people on the shore will pick you off. We've never escorted ships even through small areas, even through the Suez Canal when we had problems with that.

B (59:27)

Well, the thinking here is that because Lloyd's of London won't insure ships or they went up to $450,000 a day from $50,000 a day that the President said, okay, we'll insure the ships at reasonable rates because you know, he's a sales guy, best rates and will escort them. I think they will do that. Why wouldn't they? I mean, since when? Well, this is a different president. Maybe he will make good on them. That.

A (59:54)

But do we have enough ships to do that?

B (59:56)

I don't know.

A (59:58)

Yeah, I know.

B (59:59)

I don't know. I know. That's a good question. I have no idea.

A (60:03)

I've just never heard of this. And you know, I mean my dad was in a higher risk occupation and you know, you know he, and he just accepted it. This whole concept that we're going to be able to protect merchant ships is kind of odd to me.

B (60:18)

Well, considering the drone, the sea drones they've been showing off seems complicated. I mean those things are wild. It's just like a little miniature speedboat and just goes in and blows up a ship. I don't know. I don't know that, that. But I'm All I can tell you, that's what they're saying they're going to do. We'll have to see. Not, not months, weeks.

A (60:40)

Right. Okay. Well, this entire, this all seems to me to be that what we're really doing is fighting China. You know, we're trying to get, you know, and it's, it's. And so much for Temu.

B (60:56)

Now you're screwed. On teemu, there's actually, I got a clip from, also from Sky News, Peter Schweitzer. And I know him from the book Clinton Cash. He did some other ones. I like those books. I think he's a great investigative writer. I guess not really a journalist, but writer. Now he's with, he has. What is he. It's called the Government Accountability Institute. And he was on Sky News in Australia and he explained how what is happening in Iran is also bad for China in another way. One of the things that we've seen here is Chinese technology going into the proving ground of battle and actually not doing that great. We've seen Chinese ships that were heavily dependent on Chinese technology. Now at the bottom of the ocean, we've seen Chinese air defense systems that, as one person said, work by work by blowing up when there's a missile near them. Is this showing that the Chinese military may be a bit more of paper tiger than we had thought or feared? Yes, absolutely. And I think this is a big concern for Beijing. Let's remember Beijing gave to Iran their most advanced air defense systems, highly touted. They didn't end up doing anything. They didn't shoot down a single American or Israeli plane, and they were destroyed by the air forces. There are intelligence systems that China has set up in Iran that didn't work. And this to me is reminiscent of what happened during the Cold war. Back in 1982, the Israeli Air force and the then Syrian air Force squared off above Lebanon that year. The Israelis were flying American F15s and the. The Syrians were flying MiG 25s. The Israelis won that air force, that air war by shooting down 82 MIGs without suffering a single casualty. Yes, the pilot training was key, but the technology was important as well. But what happened after that is the Soviet ability to sell their arms and to gain that revenue and to gain a political advantage with the countries buying those weapons, weapons kind of evaporated. Because if you're in the developing world, why do you want the second best weapon system when you might be facing the first a weapon system? So I anticipate that this is a major concern for China as It looks to trying to sell arms abroad and also use those arms sales to advance their political agenda. Yeah. So hurt everywhere with. With a. A meeting coming up between Trump and Xi. I'm not sure when it is supposed to be happening. Pretty soon.

A (63:48)

Yeah.

B (63:48)

And already the President's talking about section 301. This is the. This is the new tariff gambit from article 122, I think. So section 301 gives the President the ability to stop trade, to change trade, to levy tariffs. What is here? Yeah. Section 301 of the Trade act aimed to identify unfair trade practices, particularly structural excess capacity and production and manufacturing sectors, which I think is a shoo in for China.

A (64:28)

Yeah.

B (64:28)

So these are much bigger games and I understand Trump sees this as America first. It's not popular. I don't think it's popular at all, but it may actually turn out really good.

A (64:45)

It may, unfortunately. So I've got a learning curve here because I don't really pay attention to the national news. I focus on local things, state and local. So you're going to have to give me a show or two to catch up with you on all this.

B (65:03)

I'm only giving you four. John's going to be knocking at the door.

A (65:07)

I know.

B (65:07)

Get up the speed quick. Mimi. I'm working.

A (65:10)

I'm working on it. I gotta.

B (65:11)

Go ahead.

A (65:13)

No, go ahead.

B (65:13)

No, go ahead, Kara, go ahead. Kara, please, please. Hey, you know the first thing John said to me? He said, what voice is Mimi using? Where did that voice come from? He says, this is a different voice from your Mimi voice. And I would say that people love it. Please keep doing it. Like, hey, Mimi sounds like a smoke show. Yeah. And she's a model. Oh, ye. But John is convinced you're putting on a voice.

A (65:45)

No, it's just my mic voice.

B (65:47)

I mean, Mike voice. Yeah. Okay.

A (65:49)

You know, it's just a mic voice.

B (65:51)

Just a mic voice.

A (65:54)

John doesn't know everything about me.

B (65:57)

Okay. All right. There will be a test. All right. Speaking of tests, I got this wonderful clip that the clip collector found for me from Reason tv. It's a quiz about war. Are you familiar with war and what war is?

A (66:17)

Maybe.

B (66:19)

Well, I thought so too, until I heard this clip. Welcome back to. Is it war? World War I? War. Correct. World War II war. Correct. The Vietnam War. War. Oh, I'm sorry, Carl. That was a congressionally authorized counteroffensive. Don't worry, we get right back on track with the Korean War.

A (66:37)

War.

B (66:38)

No, that was police action. No, they had tanks and stuff. Well, the police have tanks now, don't they, Carl? Okay, the first and second Iraq war. War. They identify as military action. It's a bit like pronouns, except we kill people. All right, how about Libya?

A (66:53)

War.

B (66:53)

I'm sorry, that was kinetic action, not a war. Venezuela. Well, it was an act of war, I think. No, I'm sorry, that was a law enforcement operation, not a war. Iran. It's a war. We're doing war things. No, not war things. Preemptive retaliatory de escalation action. No, that's, that's, that's not a thing. All right, judges. Okay, how about the war on terrorism? Uh, war. No, it was a coalition led conditional operation. How about Afghanistan? Afghanistan was the war on terror. No, I'm sorry, that was a pre. Authorized defense stabilization initiative. Okay, I. Can somebody tell me the rules here? We're on poverty, Carl. Poverty. That's not even a thing. Sorry, I hate to do this to you. It was a trick question. We don't have poverty in the United States. The Dow went up to 50,000. Can I even get that high? Amazing. Don't even worry about the Epstein files. Straight up. I love it. George Carlin would be proud.

A (67:45)

Yes, he would. Yet. Yeah, World War II was the last war we had. Yes, absolutely.

B (67:51)

Did you know George Carlin when you were doing your comedy shows? Did you ever meet him?

A (67:55)

I didn't, I didn't know. But I did get to see his shows about 19 times. So I was a big fan. Yeah?

B (68:02)

Oh, yeah. Really miss him. They killed him early. Unfair.

A (68:07)

Yeah. You know, there's. There's something to be said about living a healthy lifestyle for all your life, not just the last few years.

B (68:13)

This is true. That's why I'm starting now. John has been a wake up call for me. Make sure I live a healthy lifestyle.

A (68:21)

So this week I was actually really amused by the Jesse Jackson Jr. Warning at the funeral.

B (68:29)

Tina told me about it, but I, I didn't see it or didn't hear it myself.

A (68:33)

I have the clip of what he said.

B (68:35)

Do not bring your politics. Out of respect to Reverend Jesse Jackson and the life that he lived. To these homegoing services come respectful and come to say thank you. But these homegoing services are welcome to. To all Democrat, Republican, liberal and conservative. Right wing, left wing. Because his life is broad enough to cover the full spectrum of what it means to be an American. I didn't see any of the speeches. Did they adhere to his warning?

A (69:13)

Oh, not at all, not at all. And actually I have two different reactions from two. One side A Facebook guy. The other guy's a substack guy. I have. And they're. They're very funny. One of them is Brian Maxwell. Real politics. And he gives a reaction to this.

B (69:29)

And they literally turn this funeral after the son requested for it to remain respectful and honoring his dad. The Democrats turned it into a political rally. Yep. Doesn't surprise me.

A (69:46)

And then Jeffrey Meaded was the other reaction that I was just amused by. And he does substack, for starters.

B (69:52)

I'm glad none of them are in office. I forgot how nice it was to not have to hear Joe Biden and Kamala Harris speak. But aside from that, they couldn't even just go pay their respects without talking about Trump and Republicans. They used his funeral as a political soapbox. And, I mean, I've seen both sides do it before, but the thing that I found interesting is his son specifically asked not to do this. Yeah. How about the Republicans? Any Republicans doing anything?

A (70:21)

No, they weren't.

B (70:22)

They weren't invited. They weren't invited?

A (70:25)

No. Well, I. I just think they weren't. They didn't speak. And I. I mean, if you. If you watch the Brian Maxwell, he kind of goes into a real deep thing about how much Jesse Jackson hated Obama, which was. It's really kind of fascinating. But the entire thing here is that it's like this constant deluge from one side of the aisle. I'm finding it to be really hard to watch the news because it just makes me kind of itch. Like, why are we doing this? Why are we constantly. I mean, what's the joke? If Trump found a cure to cancer, everyone would go. The Trump arrangements.

B (71:09)

Yeah. People would say, give me cancer. I'd rather have cancer. Yes.

A (71:12)

Yeah, yeah. Look at all the hospitals that are suffering because of what he's done.

B (71:16)

Well, but the fact is, that is America. Our system has always been. As far as I can remember, has always been this. Maybe for a little while during Reagan, it was different. And everyone's like, yeah, this is great. And it's going to be because, you know, we had a. We had a movie star and movie star. It was perfect. It couldn't be any better. The rest of the world hated us for that. That. Because I was living in Holland at the time, hated us. But this is our system. Look at our social media. It's always, yes, no, right, left, blue, red. That's what television is. That's what movies are. It's politicians. Everything we do in America is right down the middle. It's binary. We have a binary culture. Right.

A (72:01)

Now, wait. When I. Okay, I lived in Iran as a kid, and it wasn't against our president, people were against us because we were such arrogant, you know, jerks. I mean, one of my favorite stories was, you know, my mother would. Would revert to high school Spanish and speak louder. Most people would just speak louder. You know, English. And, you know, one of my. Etched in my memory is this one woman, Mrs. Britt, who went into a little. Little shop that we went to. We went. We shopped in a group because the. He sent us out little excursions together so we would never split up. And she goes to this poor little shop clerk and she's asking for noodles, and she doesn't know the Farsi word for noodles, and he doesn't know the English word noodles. So she's screaming at him at the top of her lungs, noodles, noodles, noodles. And then she goes, another stupid Iranian. Why can't they learn English? And we created our own batch feelings in the world because Americans were both ignorant and rude. I didn't hear that that was anything to do with our president.

B (73:18)

Television changed what we focus our. Okay, I'll agree with you on that. In 72, I moved to Holland, and for three years straight, all I heard was, on the street, you crazy American. Crazy American. They hated Americans. Number one for the Vietnam War, even though they were. They were not involved. But I guess they just saw it as wrong and arguably correct. The second was a lot of technology companies like Texas Instruments were setting up shop all over Europe. You know, this was. This was quite an influx of Americans. And we the people were hated, but we weren't arrogant. We weren't horrible people. They just didn't like us. Just period. They didn't, you know, whatever socialist Marxist thing, but yet they all wanted Nikes or Nikes, as they called them in Europe. They all wanted Coca Cola. They all wanted donuts. Everybody wanted donuts. They all wanted aerobics. They all wanted to look like Jane Fonda. It's a very strange thing. So I can't speak for Iran, obviously, but I can definitely speak for Europe. Europe hated us. And I think, unfortunately, some of that fun, wacky arrogance is gone. And I was talking to Tina, it's like, you know, it feels like we used to be proud of our. Of our nuttiness. We used to be. You know, President Trump is one of the funniest presidents we've had, and I still think he's funny, and I like it when he makes jokes, but that. That is hated by so many right now. The globalist mindset has definitely set in and social media has pitted us against each other even in so called camps. So just like this show, there are people who are leaving, won't listen to no agenda because we're not denouncing the crazy president. It's, and it's sad to see, See

A (75:25)

I grew up in a time when it was, you were American first and you know, we had neighbors, we lived in a blue collar community for a very blue collar. When we moved to Reno and I know my parents politics were different from other people's but it wasn't something you ever talked about. I mean what was the old saying is you don't talk about politics or religion at the, at any social event, which I, which I still adhere to because it's nobody's business what I do. I mean it's like, you know, I don't talk about, you know, who I sleep with and, or who I, you know, who I worship or who I vote for.

B (76:05)

Hold on, you better be sleeping with. Just. John, is there something you want to talk about, you want to share with the group here? Is this something we don't know?

A (76:13)

Oh, maybe you'll have to read my memoirs when they come out.

B (76:16)

But this became, but this became a thing. It became. And I lived in Hollywood for I couldn't even make it a year. And it's everywhere where there's blue, if you don't. And we had it in Austin. I mean I had to leave Austin because if you didn't show, if you didn't virtue signal that you were on the right team, you were immediately considered to be on the wrong team. That's where it came from. And that is the socialist Marxist globalist takeover that has been force fed through media that you don't watch.

A (76:50)

Well, no, it's force fed through a lot of other ways too. I see it locally in many ways. I did discover something interesting this week though. You know, I read a lot of weird things and it turns out that, you know, our representatives don't really listen to us very well. If you email, they ignore it. If you call, you don't get through. If you go to a, as a county or city council meeting, they ignore you. But there was a letter writing campaign letters, real pieces of paper, you know, the stuff that you don't like here rustling around where people wrote please do not vote for this and made it very clear and mailed it. And it was the first time in about 15 years that I saw that we were listened to. And I really think this is kind of Interesting, because since nobody knows how to write a letter to your congressman or whatever saying, I don't want this. Not an email, it's got to be with a stamp on it. I think that that's the only way that we can finally start to be heard. But I'm an optimist.

B (77:57)

What now was this regarding the income, the state income tax?

A (78:01)

Oh, no, that passed.

B (78:02)

I was going to say, where's the letter writing there? Huh. That didn't work out.

A (78:07)

Well, there weren't letter writing. It was just lots and lots of people on online surveys and things. And, and this, the, the state wants to get that in, so it goes to the Supreme Court. And Since Inslee appointed 250 or more, 250 judges by making other ones step down. We elect our judges, but he was appointing them. He's kind of, everything's kind of slanted right now. It's going to take us a while to get, get that straightened out.

B (78:35)

Who's this hush you're talking about? People keep electing this guy. These people are no good. Inslee. Didn't he show his colors during COVID Wasn't that enough for people to say,

A (78:45)

no, we're a male in state.

B (78:48)

Ah, scam. Okay, got it.

A (78:51)

I mean, I've, I've, I have all the voter records for the last two elections because since I was.

B (78:57)

You had. Do you have them in your large language model? Have you put them into your chat GPT?

A (79:02)

No, it's just a spreadsheet. But I've gone through them and the thing that I've discovered is that there are people registered because you can, in Washington state, you can register to vote. It doesn't have to be a permanent address. It can be any address. So we've got people who are registered at the library. We have people who are registered in, in the car outside, you know, Jesse Webster Park. We have people who, many people who are registered at our local homeless shelter. We have people who are registered at all of the rest homes, including the memory care homes. And when you look at those numbers, the number of people who are registered there far exceed the number that live there.

B (79:47)

Yeah, of course.

A (79:49)

So, you know, it's. In the most recent election, we had a very close election of one person, two people. There were 25 votes apart. And then over, over the next 10 days with the recounts and the new ballots coming in, the person who is losing won by 325 votes. So this is clearly the thing. I mean, I found out in California that my mother voted for Obama, which is shocking since she'd been dead since 2001.

B (80:25)

Wow, mom, way to go. What's wrong with you? Mom, you voted right. Oh, I'm sorry. You voted dead. That's no good.

A (80:36)

So. And she also donated to Obama's campaign

B (80:39)

because I was getting. Of course.

A (80:40)

Of course. So. And I was getting robocalls because I still have her number as my cell number and I would be getting, you know. Yeah, you voted last time. You know I did. And you know, up here, you know, I still get. Even though Jay hasn't lived here for a while, she still gets a ballot here. And I have been unable to get her off our local voter rolls.

B (81:03)

Thanks, Obama. Yeah, exactly.

A (81:06)

So I, you know, I. And the other thing I found out about voting in Washington state is that, you know that we put everything into a special sleeve, a special envelope. We sign the outside of the envelope, the envelope. Either you put it in a ballot box in one of three locations or you mail it. And the procedure is as soon as the ballots come in, once that signature is verified, I don't know how they do that, the envelopes are instantly destroyed and then.

B (81:37)

Oh, so there's no record.

A (81:40)

None at all. And after you've accepted that. Okay, yeah, I lost. Whatever. So it's 10 days after the election, usually they destroy all the ballots.

B (81:51)

Yeah. Which some states keep legal. It's illegal. I think in most states it's.

A (81:57)

Isn't it most. Well, illegal. All depends on

B (82:04)

how good your lawyer

A (82:05)

is, not just the law. Well, there we don't have. We supposedly have open public meetings act up here, but it's all been neutered. Everything's been neutered.

B (82:14)

You know, you and John are like the most interesting people to me because you live in this horrible, horrible, horribly administered state, as does John. And both.

A (82:28)

It was a great state when I moved here. It was a lovely state when I moved here. I just watched it.

B (82:33)

But time to leave, girl. It's like time to get out. And you and John both need to go, like to North Carolina or something. Go somewhere else. Enjoy. Enjoy your twilight. Enjoy your twilight years with some peace.

A (82:49)

Well, but you have to understand, in my 20s, I was a citizen lobbyist in California and I worked to get consumer protection laws passed. And I did. I was able to, I think, make a positive influence. And then, of course, life got busy and I did other things. And when I later went back to go through all the old, you know, the laws, and I found everything had been neutered on riders, on other bills, so everything I worked for completely went away. Because you know, I did. I didn't make it my lifetime career. I am the. I'm Don Quixote. I really think that I can.

B (83:25)

Hello, Windmill. I gotcha. Got you, Windmill. I can get you no problem. Wow. Well, that's a very American spirit of you. I appreciate that. You know, I took the easy way out. I just came to Texas. It's pretty good here.

A (83:42)

Yeah.

B (83:42)

Let me switch topics because the next big thing that we all have to be incredibly worried about is AI, artificial intelligence, which to me is just as fake as artificial flavor. I've spent the last few days while you were doing clips starting Sunday, one of our producers sent me an Nvidia card and a computer. And I didn't quite understand his story until because he very lengthy, very precise and set up instructions. And I was kind of getting it all together to run my own own AI system at home. And the reason why he gave it up is because he's giving up on the entire sector. He's like, you know, he's going to go learn how to play an instrument. He says, I think that there will be a time when people want to hear real musicians again. He's completely checking out because he's seen nothing but how bad it really is. And as I dove into this and I've already done a lot of quote unquote vibe coding with success. I mean it definitely has helped me get some projects done that I want to get not, you know, not huge products that can go to go to any, into any commercial venture, but things that I needed, some small things that are workflow related. Very helpful for that. $20 a month from, you know, Google or Claude definitely helps me write some Python scripts that I needed. But I also discovered the concept of guardrails. And whenever you hear this term guardrails, that's the magic term in AI because these things are shit. I'm just gonna say it. They're shit. And guardrails means with every prompt that you send invisible to, you are going to be sent 50 to 100, maybe hundreds of rules which are the guardrails that say don't ever do this, don't ever do that, always do this. All of these things. Because these large language models have zero intelligence. They are just guessing what you're saying and what needs to come back or based upon what you said, what you typed, what action has to be taken, what tool needs to be called. And it's very hit or miss. They can be perfect for days and then the next day, all of a sudden it's not perfect.

A (86:17)

They have no memory.

B (86:19)

Well, no. They have what's called Context window. And Gemini has now a million tokens. It's all about tokens. How many tokens. You can also write things to memory that it stores in files, and it will look at that to. To recall things, which is also funny because I'll just be. I'll be doing something in Gemini, which I'd also coded something for Godcaster, and it'll all of a sudden say, well, this will be perfect for your Godcaster station. Like, what do you. So it's pulling things from. It's stupid. There is no intelligence zero. But the guardrails give that illusion. It's still a big magic trick. Trick. Can it Code Python? Yeah, I think everyone agrees it can code and it can code some other things, but what is the code really doing? Is anyone really looking at it anymore? Andrew Yang. Who? I don't. Is. Is he a computer guy?

A (87:20)

The name sounds familiar.

B (87:22)

He ran. Yeah, he ran for office. The state of New York. He ran for president. And he. He's the. He's. He's famous for a universal basic income. We're going to have to have this. So he goes to the big artificial intelligence conference out in California, I think, and he comes back to cnbc and, oh, man, it's over. Forget about it. This is happening. It's the best thing ever. It's amazing. And this guy, like, AI is full of shit. I just came from an AI conference out west, and holy cow, they said to me that what we're going to see in the next six months outstrips what we've seen in the last 10 years, because the rate of change is on a hockey stick. The rate of. Notice the words, the rate of change. I'm not quite sure what that means, but sounds exciting. Ten years, because the rate of change is on a hockey stick and heading up. And I gotta say, I'm pretty up to date on this stuff, and it blew my mind on some of the stuff I was seeing. In terms of. What. What did you see? Well, there was one company that is selling autonomous coding for enterprises to big businesses, and their revenue is up 100 fold in the last 12 months. Their revenue was up 100 fold. Doesn't mean they're making money, but their revenue is up 100 fold. So if that continues, it's going to eat a lot of the tech budgets from major corporates that used to go to humans. And so you're seeing the employment of recent computer science graduates fall off a cliff from a lot of programs. If you rewind, what, four years ago, what would we tell young people for a secure career, Learn to code. And now the opposite of that is true. So it was more than eight years ago? No, it was during Obama. I think that's when Learn. Learn to code came up. Not four years ago. And I'm actually kind of thinking now, stay the course. If you've learned to code, stay the course. It may not be a bad skill to have. Considering where I think all of this is going, I think it's.

A (89:29)

You know, it would be really great if we could train monkeys to wash the dishes, which is what I see AI as. It doesn't mean that you don't watch them like a hawk and make sure they aren't just licking the plates and putting them away.

B (89:45)

That's a very good analogy. Yes. AI is like watching monkeys doing the dishes, but they lick the plates and put them away. Precisely right. Precisely right.

A (89:56)

So I wouldn't trust them. I don't. I think that, you know, this nonsense hype. Oh, it's the greatest thing. I've heard this as long as I've been around computers. It used to be expert systems. Oh, they're expert systems and they're going to do everything you want, you know. Oh, you won't need. I mean, I've heard this over and over and over again. I. Okay. You know, I love the. I love the AI video stuff. I get nothing but joy watching some of those.

B (90:27)

Sure. Surprise, surprise. A company that makes video cards makes funny videos. This is not foreign to me. I'm actually playing these clips in the hopes that my. My buddy, the oil baron hears them because we have a little text group with a buddy of mine, three guys. Guys. One guy sells technology. He's in the pipeline. He sells technology to companies, mainly to call centers. And that's a great business because you make the sale and then you get another company to do the implementation. And for as long as that customer is paying the Microsoft license per employee, my friend gets a piece of it. It's a great business. And so he's been selling AI solutions to call centers, which I can see the appeal of that, But I'm already myself feeling like, wow, I'd rather buy it from that company. Because I know that when I call that company, a human being from One of the 50 states answers the phone. And I feel again, you might want to stay the course on that. Just, you know, at a certain point, the AI is not going to be reliable enough. And so he got really excited. The oil baron Got really excited because one of his engineers in the company came to him and said, look, we have a $2 million software budget on these two particular accounting packages that are specifically for the oil sector. And of course they're sick of paying inflated prices and licenses, et cetera. But this engineer says, we're going to save 25%, $500,000 a year by implementing Anthropics AI. And that's just the start, boss. And I'm thinking, oh, Lord, no, please, please. And I sent him the study from Stanford that shows that progressively these large language models are getting worse in things like math, you know, things that might have to do with accounting. So I'm praying that he hears this and uses some caution. Let's continue with Yang, who's just over the moon. So where are you on jobs long term? Look, Dario Amadou, the CEO of Anthropic, laid it out very clearly and he's been doing so repeatedly, saying we're going to automate away up to 50% of entry level white collar jobs in the next several years. And I believe him, the easiest people to fire are the people you haven't hired yet. Which again is why you see the hiring of recent college graduates heading down and the underemployment rate over 50%. The unemployment rate among college graduates is now the same or higher than non college graduates for the first time in history.

A (93:09)

How do we fix that? I mean, what's. You're a guy with big ideas. Universal Basic income was one of yours.

B (93:15)

All right, are you ready for the fix? What possibly, how possibly could we fix if no one's hiring mid level white collar jobs? And for sure, with technological innovation, things change. We don't have typewriter pools anymore. There's all kinds of things that change, but typically the productivity gives people more jobs and different things to do. But what fix do you think that the UBI guy is so enamored by from the CEO of Anthropic? Can you even imagine how we're going to fix this problem?

A (93:51)

Not at all.

B (93:53)

You'll be astounded.

A (93:54)

How do we fix this entire issue?

B (93:56)

Check it out, check it out, check it out. You tend to tax things that you want to discourage, that you want less of. And we're going to be in a position where we want to shore up labor in every quarter, in every organization and environment. We should actually try to stop taxing

A (94:11)

labor because the agents instead, the ias.

B (94:16)

Yes, exactly, Becky. And by the way, Dario Amade, the second half of his statement, he said we're going to automate away the white collar jobs. And. And you should tax us. And since when does the CEO of a major company raise his hand and say, hey, tax me and mine? Because he sees the writing on the wall and he knows that there's this massive backlash coming their way. Okay, so the CEO of a nonprofitable company is saying, you should tax us. We're gonna be so dangerous. Come on.

A (94:46)

Well, nonprofits are the biggest.

B (94:48)

No, I mean, not. He is. He's not profitable. He's not a nonprofit. They just can't turn to profit. Profit.

A (94:54)

Oh, yeah. Anthropic is not profitable.

B (94:57)

No, none of them are. None of these companies except for Nvidia, the only ones. They're the ones selling the boards. They're wildly profitable. Nobody else is. So. Oh, tax me. No. And according to Andrew Yang, who has seen the light, we're going to have riots. This is a little bit of the argument made around, frankly, retail sales in the Internet age, if you recall, the argument I would make, Andrew, is that escape velocity has been achieved. Everybody, hold on a second. Escape velocity. There's a show title. Escape Velocity has been Achieved. The argument I would make, Andrew, is that escape velocity has been achieved. I mean, these models are now going to be able to improve on their own. You know, like, we did it. We made it. We did it. In my. In my view, the biggest danger is this backlash that Dario is concerned about. And the backlash is going to get more and more pronounced as people wake up and have their kids coming back from college and living in the basement. And the implicit social contract of the American way is being fractured. There is zero chance that this transition is not going to be rough for millions of people. They're always rough. But then we get through it, and, you know, buggy whips and then you're making carburetors. But this time I just don't see, like, rough with a capital R, an exclamation point and a giant underline. I mean, some numbers, but people know some of this. There's still over 2 million Americans who work at call centers right now, and we know is going to decimate that job, the big one. And Jamie Dimon referenced this just the other day. If you get to truck driving, then all the bets are off because this is the number one job in 28 states. You're talking about millions of middle aged men, for the most part, 10 to 15% of whom are military veterans. A lot of them are gun owners. So if you get to that occupation, then you're going to see in my Opinion Riots in the streets. Yeah, that's right. Is. They're probably Republican too. Riots in the streets. Yeah. Now, okay.

A (97:03)

You know, actually, I worked in a typing pool.

B (97:08)

That doesn't surprise me. Did they make you wear a mini skirt like on Mad Men?

A (97:14)

Yeah, well, that's the style. You know, the biggest thing I saw when word processors, you know, quote unquote, word processors came to be was that the entire market for whiteout, the little jars of paint was wiped out, you know, in carbon paper.

B (97:32)

Tip X. Wasn't that called Tippex? Was that the brand name it whiteout? Was that it?

A (97:36)

It was invent.

B (97:37)

Invented by the Davy Jones mom, I think.

A (97:42)

Yes.

B (97:42)

From the monkeys.

A (97:43)

I don't know. I don't know if I'd call it invented. She figured out how to put paint in a little bottle.

B (97:48)

Hey, podcasting. I mean, what did I. What did I really do?

A (97:53)

But you know, it's like, you know, AI what I'm afraid it's going to do is they're going to. Okay, let's go back. Every city in the country has no bid contracts where they just, they buy some soft software. And the software started out okay. The software, of course, keeps your data, doesn't allow the city to have any other software hooked in. And then every year that it goes up and it goes up and it goes up and it goes up. So this sales pitch is great. Oh yeah, we've got AI and it'll be 30% less or 20% less. You know, that's a great sales pitch. Is it going to work any better? I doubt it. What I'm afraid of is that we're going to have. Right now we have a. We don't have enough communications officers at 911 locally. So they, they've farmed it out. AI so we, we hire contractors and yes, there is an AI routing system that is just the most frustrating thing in the world. It does not work. I've heard from other people that it's just, it's the same AI thing where they just don't understand what you're saying. I worked in customer service for years over the phone. I was a call center. We took lost and stolen card repair reports from people who'd lost their credit cards, they'd lost master charge cards, and there's no way AI can have enough understanding to understand what people say. I mean, I had people call in and say, I'd go, can you give me your driver's license number? Because we had to have ways to identify that they were the real People. And also, if someone used their card, we could. We could identify that this was a fraud person, a fraud account. And I had people go, hold on. And they'd come back and they'd read me their car license plate number.

B (99:42)

Great.

A (99:45)

And, you know, it's like people are, you know, it's herding cats. And I. And I've had some AI sales systems call me, and it's really fun to just screw with them and just, you know, grind up as much data as you can.

B (99:58)

You know, you rebel. You. You're a rebel.

A (100:02)

What I'm afraid of is it's going to go into air traffic control control, that they're going to have AI tools for that.

B (100:08)

I don't want that. Not on. Not on my watch. It's not going to. That. I don't see that happening.

A (100:13)

Well, but they're already. A lot of. A lot of air traffic control centers are contracted out. They aren't all run by the faa.

B (100:20)

Yeah, okay.

A (100:22)

You know, and they only.

B (100:23)

We'll see.

A (100:24)

They only have one guy on. Oh, this already exists. I think the AI is.

B (100:28)

I know a lot of air traffic controllers. We are a big hit with the a. This show is big.

A (100:34)

But not all, especially the smaller airports. Have the contractors.

B (100:40)

No, they have none. There's none. It's just the open frequency. Yeah, I'm gonna push back on that and we will have our ATC people let us know what is happening. I'm skeptical that that's going to happen anytime soon.

A (100:55)

Well, everyone's talking about modernizing the system.

B (100:58)

Yeah, sure. They've been talking about that since Obama. Obama.

A (101:01)

And the one thing AI can't do is it doesn't have gut instinct. Humans are the best pattern recognition devices ever created, and we get feelings about things. Like, you know, when I'm going through a lot of data, I can say, oh, there's a mistake. You can't. You can't make a device have that kind of knowledge.

B (101:23)

Well, you are preaching to the choir. I'm in complete agreement. However, the answer to this is always not yet. But it's coming soon. Don't worry. We're just in the first quarter. It's all coming. If I could only get a few more megawatts of power, it's coming. How long will it take, Andrew Yang, how far do you think this is out before it hits? Well, so I might have set a certain time frame. Andrew, after this AI conference, it's in the next 12 months. The whole industry right now is bracing for impact, and they see it more clearly. I mean, one of the things my friends in Silicon Valley say is, you know, this K shaped economy that you all talk about, like there's a kind of K shaped reaction to the AI curve where some of them are not sleeping and just sitting there and becoming superpowered on these tools and seeing what they can do. And then the other people are moving to the woods. Literally that's the reaction from the people closest to this. Okay, So I had to go look at this conference and I didn't have enough hours in the day to watch every single interview, every single person speak. But this is. First of all, the whole industry is a circle jerk. Nvidia is funding everybody, they're putting the money in. And then Those companies like OpenAI ChatGPT, they buy more Nvidia cards and then Chad GPT invests in other. The whole, the whole conference is about companies that are, that are just doing amazing things with AI and they're all startups and there's no money, then there's no revenue. Well, there's revenue, but there's no profit at all. Just go look at the API pricing of any of these things. I mean, you can rack up 50 bucks in an hour if you're not careful, if you're using the application programming interface. That's the real cost that they're passing on to startups and other people who want to do something commercial with the large language models. All this 20 bucks a month is just to get you interested.

A (103:27)

Right.

B (103:28)

And so I'm sorry.

A (103:31)

Well, the different companies are going around to little towns all across America, seeing how they can build a data center there, take all the water and take all the power, essentially.

B (103:43)

Well, yeah, not even little towns. Towns like Virginia, towns like, you know, in Indiana. I mean, this is not even small towns. So

A (103:55)

it's, it's, this entire thing is a scam. But it's not a scam. That's unlike microcomputers. When they first came out, people said they do all these things. They still don't do what I want to do. You know, I mean, they do. I, I've adjusted to the tool. The tool has never adjusted to me. So, you know.

B (104:16)

Yeah, exactly. And that, and so Sam Altman sits down. Sam Altman. I had to cut out a lot of white space on this guy because this is so difficult when I'm such a visionary.

A (104:29)

I,

B (104:31)

you know. Well, and so right off the bat that the guy moderating this fireside chat is a board member. Hello again. If I keep doing this, I understand that the vacancy is 60 minutes. Maybe I can. If this investing thing doesn't work out, maybe I can do that. Another full disclosure. Sam is a friend. I'm also on the board of OpenAI, so I promise you I will not only ask him softball questions, I will channel my inner bread bear and answer Cooper. So, Sam, let me start with what I think is the question that is on everybody's mind. Oh, oh. What is the question that is on everybody's mind? Mind reader, what do you think? What is the big question that is on everybody's mind?

A (105:28)

Is the bar. Is the bar no host?

B (105:33)

So, Sam, let me start with what I think is the question that is on everybody's mind.

A (105:38)

Okay.

B (105:39)

Which is, where are we today in the world of AI? Where are we? I think at some point in the last few months we really have crossed a threshold into major economic utility of these models. It may have happened a little bit earlier, but there was such an overhang before we figured out how to use these. And we had to not only continue to make the models get smarter, but figure out sort of the plumbing to make them easy to use. Where we're now in a world where the models are astounding people with the work they can do. Yeah. Videos on X. And I think this has been most noticeable in coding. Yep. But it's also happening in science. It's happening in many fields of knowledge work sort of with disorienting speed where people are saying like, man, these things that I thought were still years away are happening now. Notice he gives no examples. It's just things and stuff. And it's amazing and astounding. And I have my job shifted from doing, you know, direct technical worker, you know, legal work to managing team of agents doing this work. This is going to go much further. I think we are at a very steep part of the curve. And right now maybe you can trust, say, a software engineer to do a multi hour task. Very soon it'll be a multi day task and then a multi week task and. But you can't trust it past a couple of weeks. Okay. After that, I think the paradigm will shift again and it'll feel like these AI systems are just connected to your life, to your company, whatever, proactively thinking, working all the time and having full context on whatever they need to know and just sort of doing stuff like you would trust a senior employee to do. Oh, man, he's, he's going to the trust thing already. It's like, oh, you can just trust him. It's going to be fine. Now what? So this all startups, it's all about startups. And here's Altman talking about what the startups really want. And do you think that companies have, have a real understanding of how these systems can help them and reimagine how they do their businesses? Some do, some don't. Certainly the new generation of startups thinks differently than any generation of startups before. It used to be that when we would talk to startups, they would talk about how many employees they needed. Now they generally don't want to hire a lot. They think that will slow them down. And they're all focused on how much compute they can get. You know, can I reserve this much capacity? Can I do a cloud deal for that? Can I do a cog deal? Oh, what is that cost of goods? How much compute can you give me, Sam? I need a cog deal they can get. You know, can I reserve this much capacity? Can I do a cloud deal for that? Can I get this many tokens? And I think that is, that is a mental shift that bigger companies are going through more slowly, but some are starting to do that. One place I think you can see this happening is engineering orgs and product orgs talking about they're doubling, tripling what they're planning to ship this year. And that has not happened before. Yeah, unfortunately the companies that do, I don't know, oil accounting software, they don't seem to be able to promise they're going to triple their output of software. Isn't that interesting? Only, only anthropic can deliver that.

A (108:59)

This, you know, this sounds an awful lot like the Jetsons with cogs.

B (109:06)

Cogs, yes. Now, now, go ahead.

A (109:10)

So this is what always strikes me. It's like you have a whole bunch of people who are college educated. I'm not college educated, by the way. And John laments that all the time.

B (109:19)

Me neither.

A (109:20)

Right. I just jumped into the world and flailed. What they're not doing is they're none of these things are looking at the most mundane tasks. Everybody's trying to do something spectacular. You know, we do have way too much data out there. I mean, I can't read all of the legislative bills that come through my state, much less all the states or the United States. That's the kind of mundane thing I'd like. I just like to have a good quick summary of how many states are doing this and that so I can see better trends.

B (109:57)

Well, it can actually. I think the large language models are reasonably good at condensing a document. I think that's, that's Right, that's kind of here.

A (110:08)

So, so we need.

B (110:10)

But that's, but that's not a trillion dollar product that's helping Mimi, you know?

A (110:16)

Exactly. Well, it's helping not just Mimi, but every, everybody who's interested in this across the country, maybe 50 of us. Everything that, what they're trying to do is they're trying to swing for the fences and make a big home run and make a big deal because these kids don't have enough experience in the world. And it's all ego driven. And all I'm hearing is sales pitch. And I know that the big thing that always happened when I worked in any industry, the salesman sold oversold what the engineers could actually deliver. I'd like to hear from the engineers here, I'd like to hear from the people who are actually working on the product products rolling their eyes when they hear this vaporware that everyone's coming up with.

B (110:57)

Well, the big thing, and this is, this is kind of the, the, the nucleus of, of these four clips I have two more is AGI. This is the thing that we were promised, I think five years ago, artificial General intelligence. Then we kind of made a. That term shifted to, to AGI. It was Artificial Generative Intelligence when it was only really making videos and songs. And now AGI is back. And so our shill board member here is going to ask this very important question. How soon until we get to AGI? And what would you think? AGI? What is your understanding of this acronym? AGI?

A (111:51)

It's, you know, it's corporate Silicon Valley speak. It does.

B (111:56)

Come on, tell me what you think. General. Artificial General Intelligence. What will that really be?

A (112:03)

I can't find general intelligence anywhere for the most part. I mean, it's like, I don't know, I have no idea. And it just makes me itch.

B (112:13)

Okay, well, I'm glad it makes you itch. Let's listen to the question and Sam's answer and you'll be quite vocal in saying that artificial general intelligence will come sooner rather than later. Want to share your views on how close we are and how soon it'll come? At this point, I think the definition of AGI really matters. Some people. This is what we call moving the goal post. Yes. So we need. Oh no, we need to change the definition of what AGI is. Again, at this point, I think the definition of AGI really matters. Some people would say we already got there. Some people say it's very close. Some people say we're kind of, you know, it's maybe still a Year away. But in any case, that word has ceased to have much meaning. There may be two thresholds that we could talk about that are interesting. Number one, when is there going to be more of the world's cognitive capacity inside of data centers than outside of them? And that, to me, feels like maybe it could happen. Huge error bars. I could be totally wrong, but oh. Oh, Mimi. Huge error bars.

A (113:25)

Oh, I like error bars.

B (113:27)

What are error bars? What is that?

A (113:29)

I don't know. It sounds like a good place to go drink.

B (113:33)

Exactly. To me, feels like maybe it could happen. Huge error bars. I could be totally wrong, but maybe that could happen by like late 2028. And that's an extraordinary shift in the world. The other one is when can a CEO of a major company, a president of a major country, a Nobel Prize winning scientist, when can they not do their job without making heavy use of AI? Okay, so no answer. Shifting the goal posts. I really don't know. Sooner than later. Now my final clip. And he even. This is the business model, the business model of AI from Sam Altman, the man who is credited with pioneering the industry. And he even says in this clip that the business model has failed in history. This is not AI, but this is astounding when I hear this. OpenAI does a lot of things that look weird. We spend a ton of money on infrastructure in advance of revenue. We do new business models like ads that seem like, you know, maybe not the most profitable thing we could do. A long list of other things. But we have this fundamental belief in abundance of intelligence and that one of the most important things in the future is that we make intelligence. You know, to borrow an old phrase from the nature energy industry that didn't quite work, too cheap to meter. We want to flood the world with intelligence. We want people to just use it. So he's literally saying they want it to be like the energy sector. And as the energy sector said, it'll be too cheap to meter. And he's saying that that failed. And for some reason, this is. No, this is direct energy. He's burning. He's burning energy and somehow this is going to work. It's astounding. This answer is that we make intelligence. You know, to borrow an old phrase from the energy industry that didn't quite work, too cheap to meter. We want to flood the world with intelligence. We want people to just use it for everything. We want this to just be something that the future generation doesn't think about. They expect everywhere and everybody has access to like, geniuses, as many as they need in any area that they need. And this principle, which is one of our kind of like top guiding principles, does lead to a lot of behavior that would look less natural for other companies. And one of those is we really want to get out of this world that we have been in that we still think we're on a strategy to stay on without changing what we do of always being capacity constrained. Right. Fundamentally, our business, and I think the business of every other model provider is going to look like selling tokens. That's it. You know, they may come from bigger tokens, smaller models, which makes them more or less expensive. They use more or less reasoning, which also makes them more or less expensive. They may be running all the time in the background trying to help you out. They may run only when you need them if you want to pay less. We see a future where intelligence is a utility like electricity or water, and people buy it from us on a meter and you it for whatever they want to use it for. Tokens, we're selling tokens for the bumper cars Tokens.

A (116:56)

Okay, this cons, okay, my experience, I know how to look things up. I know how to dig stuff out of the web. I know how to, you know, find. Find things. And I have to teach other people, both my age and way younger how, how to Google search, how to other. Other search, how to find, you know, information from cities and counties and states and the federal government. Everything's there. You just have to know where to look and you have to have the patience and the time. I mean, I have read every single city council meeting minutes going back to the. When this town was started. It's not exciting, but it's. It gives me a lot of. Of intelligence and it gives me a lot of history and it gives me a lot of. I can see how things have happened. I'm one in a billion. Most people don't even know how to look up. I mean, if it's not on TikTok or if it's not on Facebook, that's it. So how is this product that he's trying to describe going to create intelligence in people who've lost their ability to have creativity and, and curiosity?

B (118:11)

Well, how come. How come you are not invited to this conference to provide a counterpoint. I'm so surprised you're on the West Coast. You could have popped right over.

A (118:22)

Yeah, and I'd be wondering the whole time about the error bar if it was host or no host.

B (118:29)

Let's thank some people, Mimi, who once again supported us very kindly to help with The Medicare don't donut hole. And we will need to eventually have a number because we just. I'm extremely curious what this is going to cost.

A (118:45)

The bills haven't started showing up yet. You know, we'll be getting bills for the next, you know.

B (118:49)

Oh, years, years, years. You'll be getting them. So the no Agenda show for and now in its 18th year with a podcaster down, has been running on the value for value market model. And that means you can support us with time, talent or with treasure. And it's a very simple concept. You know, you don't have to buy tokens. You know, you're not going to get much selling any tokens here. No. All you do is you listen to the show and if you think you got some value out of it, then you say, you know, I'll send something back to those guys. It is that simple. And the. The time and talent portion is done in many ways. We have three, three end of show mixes which are all original productions. No AI slop. Very proud to be able to say that. It's not. Not always the case. So good to see people coming back. And it feels better. It just feels better. Can't. Can't. I mean, mvp. I'm sorry, man. But you know, when I get real end of show mixes, they're always going to have some kind of priority. Artwork is another way that people can support the show by using your favorite AI model. It's still very valid for. For this and it's still cheap. You're not spending a lot of tokens on creating artwork. And we thank Nessworks, who I'm pretty sure this was a hybrid. He emailed me. He still does a lot of Photoshop work as well as using some AI to combine those two. So he uses it as a tool as an artist would, and it paid off. The art that we had for episode 1849 was titled Hose One Water and Hose Water. Yes. All right. Actually, I forgot to look at the trolls. We have 1275 trolls. You. The audience is dwindling, Mimi, but they're still hanging in there. They're still hanging in there. Hanging in there like John's not there. I'm not gonna listen. This was a. This was a sexy nurse with a get well heart for John. And I'm here to see John. I thought it was an appropriate piece. I liked was good. Now, you and I didn't choose together.

A (121:01)

No.

B (121:02)

Because I really want to just let you off the hook once you're done. I'm amazed. It was like three and a half hours we did on the last show with a lot of donations to read, but it was still quite long. So when John comes back, then we'll get back to grousing about artwork. But thank you, nesswerks, we appreciate it. Well done, sir. And you can go to knowagendaartgenerator.com and throw your hat into the ring and try and come up with some artwork. The sexy nurses. I think we may have done that one now. So let's see if we can come up with something different now for our executive and associate executive producers, part of the value for value model. We thank everybody who supports the show $50 and above. If you are fortunate enough to be able to Support us with $200 or above, not only will we read your note if it's not too crazy long and sometimes even if it is, because we consider that to be show content, you also receive an associate executive producership, which is good as gold. And Hollywood, Hollywood, one day you might even be blown up at the Oscars. You can put on IMDb.com and be right up there with Dana Brunetti or $300 above and you become an executive producer. And we kick it off with our top donor, our supporter today with $1,000. Sir Salahser, who also supported us on the last show, he comes in with $1,000. I do not see a note from him.

A (122:19)

I don't either.

B (122:20)

So I will give him a double up. Karma, you've got

A (122:25)

K. And the next one is Jason Calacanis, who I have never been able to meet.

B (122:34)

Jcal. Jcal. Yeah. Jcal from the all. All things in the all in podcast.

A (122:41)

Austin, Texas. $888.88.

B (122:45)

Thank you very much, Jason. Jason is, I mean he's, he's supported the show throughout the history of it and he's, he's, he's generally a nice guy. You know, there's so much to make fun of of him, but he is a nice guy and it's appreciated. And I know that he misses John. Hence the Give John a reason to live donation of $888.88.

A (123:09)

We all miss John doing this. Believe me, we do.

B (123:14)

Up next, Elizabeth Prefontaine. And she says. And she comes in with $639. I shed a tear when I heard the name. News May this donation from. Oh, it's Scandinavian dollars. Oh, so it's probably a thousand Candanavian.

A (123:30)

Probably.

B (123:30)

Yeah, I think it is, actually. It looks like it's blue. So, yeah, made this donation from Candanavia help with John's hospital bill, I can now join the roundtable. And I want to be known as Dame Elizabeth of the north, one of the best financial analysts out there. And you will be damned. As well as we'll do title changes today. Dames and knightings will be done when John is back so that nobody feels shortchanged. No offense, Mimi, but you know we are the official holders of the sword,

A (123:58)

so I, I, I don't, I don't have a sword. Hence why I'm called the wife.

B (124:03)

Yes, no sword for you.

A (124:06)

The next is Highland Craigs from Colorado Springs, Colorado. $485 and it says thank you both. We're praying for JCD. Love the Highland Craigs.

B (124:16)

Very nice. Came in Mike Hutchins in Ennisburg Falls, Vermont. 400. And they say here's a donation of 400 to the best podcasts in the universe. This puts us over the threshold of knighthood, which I will say for a future donation, all the best to Dvorak and his recovery listeners since episode 18. And please visit holeinonecomputers.com@hole in One Computers. We offer remote computer support as well as professional quality media digitization at low prices. No AI here. We can convert all of your videotapes, films, slides and photos@whole www.wholeinonecomputers.com. free secure return shipping on orders over $300. Please visit and contact us for a quote. I have a feeling that you might even get Kim or Mike Hutchins on the phone if you call them. Very nice. Thank you, Kim and Mike.

A (125:07)

And the next one is Jacob Schultz. Why am I not singing a man. There we go. I made a donation of $333.88 to secure an executive producer credit for the show for my mom's birthday on 311 2026. Please add her to the birthday list. We both listen to the show and enjoy talking about it. Jingles if possible. Health, Karma and Scott Simon. If it wasn't already played, which it may never be if Wanda Hunt show. Thanks and give our best wishes to Jennifer John and his recovery.

B (125:42)

Jacob Schultz, Suffer and succotash. I'm Scott. Simon. You've got Karma. No, I gotta play some Scott Simon. Peter Fantino is in Jasper, Tennessee. $333.88. No note. So double up Karma for him.

A (126:02)

You've got double up Karma. Okay. Sandra Walker from Roswell. Roswell, Georgia. 333.88. Dear Adam and John and Mimi. John, we miss you. Get well soon. This donation Brings me to Damehood Accounting below. Please call me Dame Cece. Mom, I would like kombucha and grass fed steak from Case and see cattle at the round table. Calling all homeschool families in North Georgia, Georgia or families that are fed up with government indoctrination camps. Have you heard about Classical Conversations? They offer a federated, decentralized, Christ centered approach to homeschooling. It's based on the classic education model where we teach our kids the skills to become lifelong learners and redeem our own education in the process.

B (126:55)

Let me interrupt you for a second. You homeschooled your kids, didn't you?

A (127:01)

One of them.

B (127:01)

Which one? Jay? Yeah, she turned out just fine. She needs to get a raise. Tina said just throwing that out.

A (127:09)

Don't tell her that.

B (127:10)

I already did. I already did. All right. Are you familiar with the classical education model? Do you know what that is? What that means?

A (127:20)

Well, this is actually fairly new compared to what we did, but we did base it on. On me. Reading, writing, arithmetic. You know, homeschooling was very rewarding for me. I finally learned a lot of things I never knew before.

B (127:36)

Bingo. There you go. It's good for kids and for mom, right?

A (127:41)

So Sandra goes on and she says we read real books, including the classics and we teach handwriting. There are Classical Conversations and AKAC communities all over the world. The families in each community give their own special flair. My family has been part of the CC community in Roswell, Georgia for over 10 years. Not all the families at the Roswell community listen to no agenda. But the topics you cover come up on a regular regularly in class. We also have a few crackpots in our group. Our particular community does not allow screens in the classroom. Most of our students, even teens, don't have phones. And get this, we have sock hops plus other other screen free social gatherings. Cece of Roswell is enrolling now for the next school year. We're praying hard for more girls to join our middle and high school levels. Oh, I'll bet you are. If you are near Roswell, Georgia, come check us out. We meet once a week on Thursdays. Email is sandra homemakermail.com or for more info go to www.classical conversations. So it's classical con.com to find a community near you.

B (128:52)

Oh, lovely. I like that. So what do you think? It's hard. It's hard to get girls in the into these.

A (128:59)

Well, no, but what happens when you start get. I mean when they're little it doesn't matter so much. But as you start Getting older kids. The boys, you know, are drawn to where the girls are. So having events with girls.

B (129:12)

Sock hops are better when girls are involved.

A (129:15)

No kidding. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

B (129:17)

Baronet surplus is in for Andal in the Netherlands. He says in the morning. Mimi, John and Adam. I'm at the end now. I've been kicked to the end. I was truly shocked to hear that heart attacks are going on around. Oh, I was really shocked, I tell you, to hear that heart attacks are going on around here. Got to read. Right? While I hope to soon hear John moaned about his experience, I must admit Mimi confirms that behind a great man, there truly is a gate. A great. I mean, wow. This donation finally makes me a baron. So I request a title change from Baronet Surplus to Baron Illuminati. Thank you for your courage and warm regards from the lost hellhole called the Netherlands.

A (129:58)

Corey bazinet. Maybe. Pittsfield, Massachusetts. $333.33. Which my mothers will do. The other one, the next 333 and 33 is at Aldi Kaprovnik in Muchen. Which tea?

B (130:17)

Deutschland.

A (130:18)

Deutschland.

B (130:20)

I think it's Adi, not Aldi. Aldi is where you get your groceries.

A (130:25)

Oh, okay.

B (130:27)

Yes. Adi is in moonshine. Well, I'll give them both a double up. Karma. You've got

A (130:34)

karma.

B (130:36)

Yale Reinstein in Victoria Harbor, Ontario, Canada. 333. 33. Long time boner, first time donor. That means you've been de douched listener for years on and off. John was the great uncle. I didn't have prayers for John.

A (130:55)

Okay, I'm not sure what to do with this one. We'll try it, sir. Word from Batsville, right?

B (131:00)

Yeah.

A (131:01)

Sounds New York. $330.33. C attached to note. I don't know what that means.

B (131:07)

Oh, you don't have the notes.

A (131:09)

I don't have that note.

B (131:10)

Okay, hold on. I have the notes. I have the notes here to John. God bless you and get well soon. May the karma of the show all come to you, Wirt and Julian. I'm not quite sure, sir. Dirt is his official night name. Thank you very much. Lane, L. A. In Gilbert, Arizona. 333. No note. Double up karma for you.

A (131:38)

You've got double up karma. And we have Craig in La Grange, North Carolina. $319. Craig in North Carolina. This is $319 donation represents my prediction of the 19th of March for when John will make his first appearance on the show after his recovery.

B (132:00)

Ah, Kelsey bet. Kelsey bet. There was. We go Cal. She bet. Okay.

A (132:05)

If you would like to use this prediction idea as a donation strategy to help you. With you. With you and John. You're welcome to. Thanks for all you do. And I wish him a speedy recovery. Prayer Karma, please.

B (132:18)

You've got prayers. Dame Beth is next. $288.88. Associate executive producer. She's from Tucson, Arizona. Arizona. And she says nice job Up Mimi. Counting on you to bust JCD out the big house soon. When is he swinging the big blade again? I'll be the. When he is swinging the big blade again, I'll be the vicountess of Baja, Arizona. Until then, thank you for your courage and jailbreak Karma for John from Dame Beth. You got it.

A (132:52)

Karma.

B (132:53)

What's that?

A (132:54)

I'm stepping on stuff.

B (132:55)

That's okay.

A (132:57)

Joe Cameron, Plymouth, Michigan. $250. I don't.

B (133:03)

Okay, so I know that Joe. He produces an airline blog called Enel Ria, which is airline spelled backwards. And it's horrible for me to have to remember to go to his website because the only thing. I can only write it in reverse. It's difficult. Enel Ria. And he wishes John a quick recovery. I know, but Jo, Joe has a lot of aviation stuff and I'm sure.

A (133:33)

Oh, I'll go to it.

B (133:34)

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got a lot of.

A (133:36)

I love reading that stuff.

B (133:37)

Yeah. If you like Captain Steve, you'll love Joe. You'll love Joe.

A (133:41)

I'm sure I will. Are you doing the next one?

B (133:44)

Yeah, sure. Damie Sabelle Pearson, Manchester in the UK250. A donation aimed to celebrate the Dvor Acts and spur JCD to recovery. Turns out you are both a couple of treasures. This is Dame Isabel Pearson, Current. Current title. First female listener of no Agenda requesting title upgrade to Baroness of Gurs. How do you pronounce that? Southwest France. Gers Gears. Where Mimi's Too Many Eggs book is a cornerstone of our Farm to Table kitchen recipes. Wow.

A (134:17)

No, we. We actually have a French version of the book. I just haven't gotten it published yet.

B (134:22)

Oh, really? Did you do that with Chat GPT?

A (134:25)

No, I did it with a translator.

B (134:27)

Wow.

A (134:27)

Who owed me a favor.

B (134:28)

Wow. Big favor. Clearly requesting the title upgrade. If you can ever persuade John to travel, it would be my pleasure to welcome you to Pure Gardes. And that would be in. In Gar Bear. Baroness Isabel Pearson. Thank you very much, Baroness. That's wonderful.

A (134:47)

Tyler Sink, Benton, Illinois. $236.91.

B (134:53)

And no note. So a double up. Karma. You've got

A (134:59)

karma.

B (135:00)

Now you'll notice Mimi, the As we get lower in the amounts, the longer the notes get. To me, it's an amazing thing. Yes, it happens. Colin Fannin, parts unknown. 2333 in the morning, I had a proud dad moment after my first donation. My 5 year old happened to be listening to the podcast. When my business, fan and fitness was mentioned. She lit up immediately and said, dad, that's you. For her, hearing her dad's name on a podcast was a big deal and honestly, a pretty strong incentive for me to donate again. And for all you sandbaggers and douchebags out there, donate for the kids. But then I heard my beloved podcaster get called Weak wristed, and we can't have that. Oh, this is long backstory on that, Mr. Curry. It just so happens that grip strength is one of my many specialties. Only question is, when does day one begin for you to earn your new nightly title, Sir Adam Breaker of hands. Yeah, this is Colin and I did the intake form. He's a personal fitness trainer and I haven't gotten around to getting started. He offered me free fitness training. So, Colin, thank you. You're right. And just spitballing, he goes on. Linda Lou, what if you didn't just sell your clients resumes that get results but also gave them a handshake that gets them a better start compens, a better starting compensation package? Because weak handshakes get light paychecks. For a handshake that gets you paid visit Noagenda Fit. Oh, he's got it set up now. And for any and all your fitness and nutrition needs, think of Fanon Fitness as your online solution. Visit fanonfitness.com to book a free consult or reach me directly at Infonin F a n o n fitness.com and two Kamala jingles followed by the horn. I don't know. I don't know what Kamala jingles we have. I can kind of hold on a second. I got a comma.

A (136:55)

If you play the same one twice, no one will know. There's an this little sound just like her.

B (137:03)

There's an interesting. Let me see. How about freedom? That's all. That's a fan favorite. Freedom. And what's the other thing you wanted? He wanted to. Oh, Foamer. That's what. That's what he means by the whole horn thing. Okay, hold on. Sorry, Just taking a moment here. Where's my foamer, people? Foamer. There we go. Finally. Oh, my God, Listen to that horn. And of course, I screwed up the freedom jingle. Here we go. Go.

A (137:44)

Sweet.

B (137:46)

Finally. Thank goodness. All right. Got it. Then we have lavender Lavender blossoms.

A (137:56)

I'll do that one to let you read the next one.

B (137:58)

Yeah, sure.

A (137:58)

Lavender blossoms in Northville, Michigan. $222.72. And I love their products. Yes, I absolutely do.

B (138:06)

That's Sir Cal from lavenderblossoms.org and a fabulous product indeed. Thank you.

A (138:12)

Yep, this stuff's great.

B (138:15)

Zach Metzinger, South Lake, Texas. That's where all the rich people live. $208.88 listening to Mimi's analogy between old world shoemakers lamenting the industrialization of their livelihood and the rise of vibe coding, I feel she's missing one important fact. While industrialization created equivalent or better products cheaply and faster, AI coding tools create 80% solutions which are a nightmare to understand understand because they weren't created by a human mind. Imagine if the steam powered shoe machine were instead of being carefully designed by engineers to mechanically duplicate the fine art of shoemaking, just one of millions of Rube Goldberg esque contraptions built by a million monkeys, selected only because it produced something close to the desired product. This is why AI slop exists. There is no intelligence in AI. In fact, there might be too much intelligence and too little compromise. Common sense AI simply allows people who shouldn't be designing systems to create incomprehensible one off products. Get well soon, John. Yeah, I think. I think we agree with you on that one.

A (139:18)

Absolutely we do. Elijah Hines, Resita, California $208.88 in the morning John and Adam and Mimi. After my sister in law the weird poet told me if you're ever going to donate and not be a douchebag, now is the time to do it. I knew that I could no longer bear the shame of being a douchebag and had to donate. Please redo de douche me and give John an extra dose of health karma. Thanks for all you do. Elijah Hines. You've been de douched. You've got karma.

B (139:58)

And coming in with two arms 8:88 from Bensonville, Illinois, moving off his typical date in the amount with the 8.88 it is Eli the coffee guy. Missing John behind the mic this week and wishing him a speedy recovery. Happy to say the show was still as good as ever. Mimi did a fantastic job sitting in. I love the fresh perspective and she has as many good stories as John. Yes, and previous vocations.

A (140:22)

I actually have more.

B (140:23)

Oh, gloves are off. To John. We love you. But like I say about my own wife, sometimes a guy can kick beyond his cover. Mimi is a pure class act. And our prayers are with you both. For producers out there and Getmo Nation needing some great coffee, here's what you do. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20 off your order. And whatever you do, stay caffeinated, says Eli the cafe. The. The coffee guy. The cafe guy. Eli the cafe guy. Yes. All right.

A (140:53)

I can't see the note again.

B (140:55)

I've got this.

A (140:55)

I'm sorry.

B (140:56)

No, that's okay. This is from Rita, I think. Ogden Dunes, Indiana. $200.15. It's a switcheroo. Hey, John and Adam. This is Rachel Stekich from Ogden Dunes, Indiana, on the shore of Lake Michigan with a switcheroo donation for my son Tom. Your show is always a topic of conversation between us. John's boomer perspective tips of the day are wonderful. Adam, your European knowledge and conspiracy theories rude. Really make this the best podcast in the universe. Or of the universe. She says. Four more years. 250 donation. Thanks for all your hard work. Sincerely, Rita Stekich and I will make sure that the switcheroo takes place. Rita. No problem.

A (141:42)

So the next two with no notes are for $200. One is Radu Marinescu from. That's a good word. Potential Romania, it looks like.

B (141:53)

Oh, yeah, we don't have many donors from Romania. Thank you. No Testy. Yes. Radu. Thank you.

A (141:59)

And then Martin Martinson in arlington, Texas, also $200.

B (142:04)

Brian. Brian Martinson.

A (142:06)

Brian. Oh, yeah, what did I call him? I call him Ryan.

B (142:08)

Oh, I got Martin. Brian. Sorry, brother.

A (142:11)

Sorry, Karma.

B (142:18)

And coming in with her usual $200 is the aforementioned Linda Lupatkin from Castle Rock, Colorado. And she wants jobs Karma. And as always, she says for a competitive edge with a resume that gets Results, go to ImageMakersInc.com Linda applies executive level positioning to career transitions at every stage. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and jobs. Let's vote for.

A (142:55)

Sir Dr. Sharkey, St. Peter's Missouri. $200. Dear John, you'd better get well faster because Mimi is knocking it out of the park and could become your permanent replacement. Please eat all the Mac and cheese you possibly can. It will make you better. Trust me, I'm a doctor like 11 kisses, Duke. Sir Dr. Sharkey, SG of FEMA Regions 4 and 8 and 7. P.S. adam, please send as much Mac and cheese Karma to John as you can.

B (143:26)

You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheap cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese.

A (143:37)

Mac and cheese.

B (143:40)

There it is. And that concludes our executive and associate executive producers for episode 1850 of the Best podcasts in the universe. Thank you to all of these producers. Once again, these are real credits that you just received, and you can even check that by going to IMDb.com and if you don't already have one, open up an account. Seems that some people actually do it for you. So there are thousands of no agenda producers in there, including some big Hollywood network. So give it a shot. And of course, we'll thank the rest of our donors $50 and above in our second segment. We appreciate all that you're doing. And a reminder that if you get any value from the show, all you have to do is return it in a number. It's any amount. If you want to do it more regularly, you can set up a recurring donation. Any amount, any frequency. Once Again, that is noagendadonations.com thank you for your courage and your support. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth.

A (144:45)

Shut up, slave.

B (144:48)

Shut up, slave. Let me see. How am I doing on time? Oh, goodness. I got a little bit of time left. Somehow. It's not that hard to fill the. Fill the hours with you, Mimi. It's kind of working. I don't know what that is.

A (145:01)

Is.

B (145:01)

It's. It seems to work. Do you have anything else on your list that you wanted to play here?

A (145:08)

Well, actually, I. This was just something that made me laugh and, you know, while watching our. Our legislature, our federal government in action. It's called the amusing Mr. Kennedy.

B (145:21)

The amusing Mr. Kennedy. Okay. Isn't it a fact that if President

A (145:27)

Biden had discovered life on Mars when he was president, he would have immediately sent it money?

B (145:33)

I don't believe so. Oh, you don't? Okay. Well, I appreciate your newly found fiscal conservatism. Yeah. Kennedy is always a funny guy. He does.

A (145:46)

So you have to watch, like, hours and hours, and then it's like, oh, there's something funny here.

B (145:53)

Oh, well, yes. Yeah. Welcome to our world. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

A (145:58)

It takes forever to come up with the clips and listen to stickers. I have to listen to everything. And I have to. It's. You know, this is not trivial. And John always makes it sound so easy.

B (146:11)

And this is the problem. We make it look easy. That's what I always tell them. You got to grouse more. Oh, so hard doing these clips.

A (146:19)

It's killing me.

B (146:21)

I just saw on you know, that Michigan shooter. Turns out the FBI did a active shooter drill at that very synagogue just a few months ago. Isn't that interesting?

A (146:33)

Huh? Well, they use a layout.

B (146:36)

Always got to. Always got to wonder how that works. Let me see. I. I have. Let me see. I have a series of clips that. Yeah, we'll just wrap it up with these. This is from npr, and it's about the Department of Homeland Security. And while NPR is stupid and, you know, the things that they put in here, it's all things that we've been warning about for the entire length of this show. Weight. No Department of Homeland Security existed when the show came into being. But, Dan, DHS by itself is just such a weird. And they're not funded now, so the airports are starting to clog up because TSA agents, and this is the first week I believe that they haven't gotten paid. So it. You know, and it's all. I mean, I'm all for getting rid of Department of Homeland Security. They already kicked Kristi Noem out. You got your blood, you funded again. But this thing is. Everything's underneath it, and it just feels like a quagmire there. It's got Coast Guard, it's got tsa, it's got fema, you know, so the thing's a mess.

A (147:57)

Yep.

B (147:58)

And what. Where were these agencies before dhs? Where did they. I know Coast Guard bumped around a lot, but. And TSA didn't exist, I guess, until 9 11, which was also DHS. But I mean, what is their job now? Is it just to protect the homeland? Like. Like, Like SS officers, or. What is your view of what this is?

A (148:29)

Well, I wasn't TSA under the Border Patrol originally, or was that where they removed.

B (148:35)

Could be. It could be. Yeah.

A (148:37)

I don't know. It just seems like, let's put them here, let's put them there. I am not clear about what they're up to with that. Um, meanwhile, don't. Aren't a lot of TSA guys now contract workers? So they're getting paid still.

B (148:52)

Oh, this. I don't know. I know FEMA has a lot of contract. All of this is, in my opinion, a big money sink. I mean, TSA by itself is like, okay, right. You know, we were really worried about people hijacking planes, and I guess. Guess we continue to be worried and that we were worried about something that never happened, which, you know, people had liquid in their shoes and they're gonna blow everything up. And so we had to take our shoes off. We can't have water bottles and just all of this security theater. And now DHS is under duress because of ice falling under DHS, although ice has been funded separately with $70 billion. So, you know, withholding payment from DHS is only gon DHS people angry. And I think we should look at DHS in general. But NPR had this interested, interesting feature about DHS surveillance. And some of it is stupid, but there's some merit to it. It's worth a laugh. In a couple of these clips today on the show, we're going to be talking about about how the Department of Homeland Security is surveilling people in new ways because you Both, along with NPR's Meg Anderson, have been digging into a bunch of different tools that DHS is using to track both people who are in the United States illegally, but also US Citizens. And I want to start with this example of this woman in Minneapolis named Emily, who your story kind of opens with as well. Kat, tell us about who she is and what her experience kind of shows.

A (150:33)

Yeah. So Emily's experience was back in late January. She was out driving around her neighborhood in Minneapolis patrolling for ICE as a constitutional observer.

B (150:46)

I want. That's what I want. A business card. What do you do? I am a constitutional observer. You mean someone. Someone who just observes government under the Constitution? I guess.

A (150:58)

Can you blow a whistle now?

B (151:00)

Maybe.

A (151:00)

All right. She was out driving around her neighborhood in Minneapolis patrolling for ICE as a constitutional observation observer. I'll just say we're only ID Emily by her first name because she fears retribution from the federal government. She told me she was following an ICE vehicle at a safe distance into a parking lot when a mass agent leaned out the window, took a picture of her and her license plate, and then rolled down the window and addressed Emily by name and recited her home address to her. You know, Emily told us that it really.

B (151:32)

She shook her.

A (151:33)

Their message was not subtle. Right. They were in effect saying, we see you.

B (151:38)

We can get to you whenever we want to.

A (151:40)

And it did scare me. Emily says she didn't know.

B (151:43)

They didn't say that. Okay. In effect, they said that. So they looked at her license plate, I guess, address to her.

A (151:51)

You know, Emily told us that it really shook her. Their message was not subtle. Right.

B (151:55)

They were in effect saying, we see

A (151:57)

you, we can get to you whenever we want.

B (151:59)

Want to.

A (152:00)

And it did scare me. Emily says she didn't know how they pulled up her information so quickly. And that was one of the things we were really trying to figure out with this reporting was, you know, we were collecting dozens of stories, talking to people, combing through court documents to really try to understand how is this surveillance web that DHS is spinning affecting real people on the ground.

B (152:23)

Surveillance web. Okay. Surveillance web. Let's.

A (152:29)

You know, there's also a lot of questions out there about what kinds of information DHS and federal agents are collecting on observers like Emily. There was a case in Maine, a woman who was recording another observer who was recording federal agents on her.

B (152:48)

I love this observer. This. I. This is great. What do you. I'm. I'm a constitutional observer.

A (152:55)

Phone. Her name's Colleen Fagan, and she was watching ICE agents, and as she was watching them with her phone, they were seemingly recording her face and her license plate. And she recorded this video.

B (153:09)

Exactly. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Yeah.

A (153:11)

Why are you taking my information down?

B (153:13)

Because we have a nice little database. Oh, good. And now you're considered domestic terrorist, so we're videotaping you. All right, first. First of all, screw you, DHS guy. What are you doing? We have a nice little database. You're domestic terrorist. That guy is out of line. So I'm gonna. That's. I'm gonna give him that. She's not a domestic terrorist. No.

A (153:39)

But have any of these people ever done a ride along with. With their local police department?

B (153:44)

Oh, no. They just. All acab, baby. All caps. All cops are bastards. They. They have no idea where. What cops do.

A (153:51)

Do they know that when they scan their credit card, their. Their membership card at the grocery store, that they're in a giant database that says what they're most likely to buy?

B (154:00)

Yeah, but I get points. I get points for that. I get points. I get free goodies. I get points.

A (154:05)

See, the big thing up here right now are flock cameras. And flock cameras are like, oh, they. They. They grab the license plate number and they keep a database.

B (154:15)

It's coming up, so you can hear there.

A (154:16)

They tell her that they have a, quote, nice little database and that they are considering her a domestic terrorist. I will say that DHS has denied having a database like this several times since that video went pretty viral. Outgoing secretary Kristi Noem denied it in front of Congress just last week. Todd Lyons, who's the acting director for ice, has also denied it in front of Congress. DHS also denied it to us in a statement that. That we got from them. You know, we did ask DHS why agents are taking pictures of protesters faces or license plates, and they not respond to that question when we ask them. So, you know, we don't know if there is a database like this despite them denying it. You know, it could be that, you know, these are semantics. Maybe a contractor has a database, maybe it's not technically a database. These are still things that we don't know.

B (155:06)

So this is amazing. They dove in deep and they figured something out. Tell me more about what your reporting found out, specifically in Emily's case. I mean, how was the government, do you have any sense of how the government was able to get this information on her?

A (155:19)

We don't know the specifics. I mean, you know, we asked ICE and DHS and they say they won't share those tactics with the public.

B (155:28)

Tactics.

A (155:28)

But I mean, it does seem like vehicle, vehicle, vehicle registration information is key. You know, law enforcement through license plates can figure out who owns a car and their address.

B (155:39)

Yes, exactly. That's right. Your vehicle registration frustration. And now we get it. Now this. And so at this point, I'm still, okay, you're following ice. We all know why you're doing it. You know, you're. And you could be hampering law enforcement. It could end up very bad for you. Will you not learn? Right. Okay, you're a constitutional observer, that's fine. That's your right to do that. But there are some things that people are very concerned about that have some validity.

A (156:10)

But we've seen lots of other examples of, of cross agency data sharing and so, and actually some of these are agreements with ice. So for example, there's records from Medicaid that a federal judge has now approved because it was challenged in court to be shared with ICE that include address information. You know, one technology that ICE agents have access to is a cell phone app called Elite. It's made by Palantir, which is a company that does a lot in the tech space. It has a lot of government contracts and this app, and it was described by an ICE agent in court testimony as looking kind of like Google Maps and showing data points of places where people who could be deported by ICE live and like the likelihood that they live at that address. And it pulls from a lot of different data streams. And Palantir has a, that some of that data includes data from other federal agencies. And we think that that includes those Medicaid records, for example. So this is something that's, we're now starting to see a little bit more how some of these data sharing and consolidation efforts that are happening on the federal level are now trickling down to ICE agents in the field to be able to locate people they want to deport.

B (157:31)

So Palantir is a huge dog whistle for people, particularly conservatives and with, with definitely with some merit, although I'm very skeptical about. You know, what it is. I can tell you the public information about this Elite phone app, which is just the front end to a database. Elite stands for enhanced leads, Identification and targeting for enforcement was a third created on a $30 million contract for $30,000 app. And it does, they do claim it has the total information approach. And it pulls from the publicly that we know pulls from the following data sources, HHS and Medicaid and I. That, that feels bothersome to me that they're pulling medical records into, into their system. What's your feeling about that?

A (158:26)

Well, is it medical records or just that you are. Is it all based on.

B (158:35)

Well, it's.

A (158:35)

Is it supposed to identify you?

B (158:38)

It's supposedly to identify. To verify your current address. Now.

A (158:43)

Okay, from the.

B (158:44)

I don't know.

A (158:46)

Okay, so, so let's. This is looking at the bad side of this. Let's look at the other side of this. If you are, let's say your child is missing, you know, your kid takes off, you know, on a cross country trip and you lose time, touch with them, you know, every bridge, toll, every toll.

B (159:05)

Now you're going too far. Stay with Medicare before you, before you go into license plate scanners. We're getting to that.

A (159:11)

Okay, so. Okay, so with Medicare, if, if your child ends up in a hospital and you don't know you are, you can be notified based on the fact that they have identified who your child is through.

B (159:27)

You're pulling out, you're pulling the think of the children card. Mimi, that's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. I'm not taking the.

A (159:34)

No, we are in so many databases. If you just Google yourself, you'll find.

B (159:41)

No kidding. No kidding. I'll continue. So supposedly to verify current address, then they have commercial data, third party data services, Thomson Reuters, Clear. You know that thing that you use to get through airport security quickly? Oh yeah, absolutely. And then they have access to DHS and USCIS records, passport data, Social Security files, and the license plate reader history. So yeah, it's probably 50% of what Oracle does and the data brokers do to sell you stuff. But the concern that citizens have is valid, but you're about 30 years too late. Do we have any sense on whether these tactics are different for people who have crossed into the United States illegally, who are here without legal status, and who DHS obviously seeks to deport versus the US citizens that we've been talking about? Well, we do know that ICE is

A (160:40)

using facial recognition technology and also location data, like Jude was talking about earlier, to find people and identify people that it potentially is seeking to deport. But, you know, we're all subject to some level of this surveillance because ultimately, if it's being used on one of us, it's possibly being used on all of us.

B (161:01)

Right, but is that legal? I mean, in terms of, like, I can understand how the government can justify using this sort of surveillance to track people who it feels have committed a crime and therefore need to be deported. If I have not committed a crime, I mean, can you use legally this level of surveillance to figure out what, what I'm doing?

A (161:21)

And, you know, and that is exactly one of the big questions here, you know, but it. Just to give a concrete example, you know, one. One tool that's really exploded and not just for dhs, are automatic license plate readers, which are, you know, all over freeways and entries and exits into cities at this point. And a great tool for law enforcement to be able to track down cars that are stolen or that might have committed crime. But it's picking up license plate information on everyone. And it can allow law enforcement, including dhs, which, which controls some of these license plate readers and has access to others, to really locate most cars that it wants to find because they'll be picked up in this camera network. So that's an example where, you know, critics of this technology say this is mass surveillance and that law enforcement shouldn't just have this unfettered access to this level of data.

B (162:16)

There's your license plate readers.

A (162:18)

Okay? License plate readers are used in Home Depot and Lowe's, and Walmart doesn't make it.

B (162:24)

Right.

A (162:25)

Well, but the reason they're doing it is because that, because so many states have made it so you can't arrest someone for shoplifting unless it's over $1,000. Then what they do is they. They record the license, license plates. And if you are. If you keep showing up with that license plate and you go in and you rip off stores, they put it all together as one complaint so they can actually go after you for a thousand dollars worth of theft. So they're doing it as a, as a harm reduction for their, for their bottom line to, to have some recourse with these people who are just. Especially these rings. There's big rings of shoplifters that are out there who still thousands and thousands of dollars every day. You know, it's probably more than thousands, hundreds of thousands. And, you know, that's why you go into home depot now. And you have to call over a clerk to open up the cage so you can get, you know, a drill. You know, it's. It's kind of like, yeah, you need to be identified, but we allow ourselves to. How many people have the toll passes for. For. For highways?

B (163:32)

Not me. Not me.

A (163:34)

Well, you don't have bridges there.

B (163:37)

We have toll roads. And. And they just send me a bill in the mail where they. They get my license plate. They snap it. But I. I don't indiscriminately drive around with an rfid device. I'm not nuts.

A (163:50)

And how do they identify where you live when you go across a bridge?

B (163:54)

They just google it. They just Google it. Everybody can google where I live. It's impossible to hide that stuff.

A (164:00)

Well, no, it's. It's based on your. Your vehicle registration, your license plate.

B (164:04)

Yes.

A (164:05)

So, I mean, we are all connected in so many ways to this. It's like, okay, you can look at the downside. Oh, gosh. You know, they're keeping track of us, but at the other side, you know what's new?

B (164:19)

Well, here in Texas, when someone shoplifts, we shoot you. So we don't.

A (164:25)

Oh, yeah, that's lovely. That's so much better.

B (164:27)

Tough luck. Say I didn't go. Go to California or Washington state and go shop. Shop live there.

A (164:34)

Yeah.

B (164:34)

And we fight against cameras, Traffic cameras, license plate readers. They've tried to put them in Fredericksburg. Nope, nope, nope. This outlawed Austin. They. They crumbled. So in Austin, they're everywhere. But a lot of places in Texas just, no, I'm not going to have it. We're not going to let the government have that kind of. Kind of control. I'm against it. I really am. And not just the flock cameras, but all these stupid ring cameras and everything. This report. I hope this gives people some food for thought. You probably think security cameras make places safer, but governments are hacking them to plan missile strikes.

A (165:17)

Researchers recently found hackers link to Iran

B (165:20)

breaking into security cameras across the middle east. But why cameras? Because once you hack one, well, you've got eyes on the ground. You can watch buildings, Track traffic patterns, see when people arrive or leave. It's basically free intelligence. Tagging these cameras isn't that hard. Attackers have been exploiting flaws in popular brands like hikvision and dahua, Vulnerabilities that have been known for years. The real problem is something experts call digital neglect. People install digital devices and then forget about them. No updates, default passwords, no security settings. Meanwhile, there are websites that scan the Internet and list vulnerable devices. And during conflicts from the Middle east to the Russia, Ukraine war, civilian cameras have quietly become intelligence tools. Some analysts even say when they see spikes and hacked cameras in one area, it can be a warning that something is about to happen there. I think this is perfect counterbalance. We are our own worst enemy putting up cameras everywhere. And you think just Iran is looking at them? No, no.

A (166:31)

But it, it does give me information on when cougars are in my area and walking through my yard.

B (166:36)

Hey, there was a time when I'd want to know when cougars were walking through my yard. I'm just saying

A (166:43)

to no agenda.

B (166:44)

Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. All right, let me see. We're going to keep the the Knights and Dames in abeyance until John returns. We do have some people to thank who continue to support the show and giving John a reason to return back to the living. So I'm going to read them now. And it kicks off as often is with Dame rita from Sparks, Nevada. $188.88 and she says she's glad we're all in the right places. As this unfolded, she wishes John abundance of health, karma and the best of recovery and strength to your family at your side. Adam, thank you and thank you for the best podcast in the universe. Julian tunes in Oakland, California 123.0 we got a strike donation Bitcoin 12179 not sure who it's from but he or she says this bloke will outlive even the Galapagos tortoises and such. Jeff Hutchinson Topsham in Maine oh row of sticks 111.11 Stefan Trokols in Sust in Deutschland 10888 Tim Landreth, Syracuse, Nebraska 108.33Christopher Ebert in Spartanburg, South Carolina 100 Brian from Port Angeles longtime douchebag feed I was time to donate to support John get well John get well soon John Keep up the great work. Mimi and Adam for excellent IT support, check out allbrightnetworks.com 10535. You've been de douched sir Zark7 188 cents Mimi's killing it. John better get well soon. He is the Knight of Center Neptune from wild but Wildwood, Missouri sir dean of KTH in Moyach, North Carolina $100 100 from Andrew Scallard in Murrieta, California. Same from Christopher Baker in Marquette, Michigan Stephen G. Bottoms in Reno, Nevada. 100 Thomas Mullen White House Station, New Jersey. 100. Michael Masado, Brooklyn, New York 100. Kellen Price, a prince in Marlboro Township, New Jersey. $100. Now the 88. 80. This is the lucky number. Eric Torson in Yttra in Norway. Henk Eldrick in Mamur, Lithuania. Wow, look at this. And then Lukas Ziva in Beyerbrunn in Deutschland. This is like the EU checking in. Nice to see you guys. Grebulon, Netanya, Illinois Johan von Junker in Halfveg, Haarlemermeer. It's in the Netherlands. Carl Joe Post in Regalsville, Pennsylv. Michael Formanic in Maple Grove, Minnesota Donald Rolfe in Parks in South Dakota. Charles Obranovich in Plymouth, Minnesota Zachary Jude, Minneapolis, Minnesota Ben Boney in Athens, Tennessee William Parker, Lebanon, Pennsylvania Hugh Allison, York, South Carolina John Whitten, Kodiak, Alaska Steve Jackson, South Lake, Texas. Did I miss one? No. There we go. Justin Halcomb in Twin Falls, Idaho, Idaho Beth Bradshaw in Ladson, South Carolina Tower Comics, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Dame Linda, mistress of Spooky Garden, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Morgan Mary in Spicewood, Texas Lucas Hoon in Sandown, New Hampshire Robert Mussard in Riverside, California Mansoor Rod in Alpharetta, Georgia Michael Bolling in Goleta, California Ray Jacobson, Ashland, Virginia David Clark, Spartanburg, South Carolina B.R. bell in Ashbury, New Jersey Loney Salas in Gold Hill, Oregon John Fitzpatrick, Heber Springs, Arkansas, Arizona, Arkansas, Arkansas. What ar is that? Arkansas, Arkansas, Arkansas Ken Yasinski, Appraisals, Inc. Jackson, Georgia Alvaro Munoz, a Quenz Wiesbeck in Cambridge, oh, that's in the uk. Mary Schwartzer in Dublin, Virginia Christopher Stabil in Forestell, Missouri Christopher o', Brien, Brighton, Massachusetts Zach Nanus in Rhymes with in Los Angeles, California Sean Brown, Harriman, Utah Robert Rida in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania David Ott, Wake Forest, North Carolina Ernie Parton in Westchester, Ohio Steve Ciccarelli in Pittsford, New York Sophia Pandelia in San Jose, California Jason Binder or Binder in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Alexi Volinsky in New Windsor, New York John D. Carney in Alpharetta, Georgia Patrick Ryan in Lakewood, Colorado Smiley, Upstate in

A (171:51)

Hona. Hona.

B (171:54)

Yeah. Honana.

A (171:58)

Yeah, I think we got it.

B (171:59)

Honana Hapupu, Hawaii, Hawaii. Someone's laughing at us in Hawaii. Okay, Eric Deacon, Lynchburg, Virginia Matthew Wilbur Reuther, Glenn Vir, Simon Zhang in Snellville, Georgia John Walters, Denham Springs, Louisiana Robert Stokes in Covington, Texas. Is it Covington or Covington? Covington, probably Ryan.

A (172:20)

Covington, yes.

B (172:21)

Ryan Wickenhagen, in Townsend, Georgia. Troy Allman in Greenville, South Carolina. Peter Goodall in St. Louis, Missouri. Justin Baker in Norma, Oklahoma. Mark Cable in Roberts Bridge, East Sussex, that's in the uk. Michael Pizzuti in Lewis Center, Ohio. Jenny L. Allen in Leahy, Utah. Peter Chong, Lakewood, Washington. Thomas Starkweather. Hey, Tom. Stafford, Virginia. How you doing? Tom Starkweather. Justin Pagano in Philadelphia. Daniel Vasicheck in Great Falls, Montana. Max Max, Cape Town in South Africa. Very nice. Western Cape Town. Timothy Morris, Shoreham by Sea in West Sussex in Great Britain. And coming in from Oxfordshire, it's James Scholar in Bychester in the UK. Lots of UK's here. Robert Champion in Birmingham and Ben Tinsley in Newtown. Abbey and Met or yeah? Met. Woodman in Wareham in Dorset.

A (173:20)

Wow.

B (173:21)

A lot of UK people. Thank you, sir. Caricus of Cold Snatch, Avada, Colorado. And he says. I have to say, Mrs. Buzzkill sounds kind of hot. Maybe we don't need you after all. Kidding. Get back. We need your Buzzkill to balance out after Adams Crackpot. Get well, get strong. Get back to deconstructing the media. Sharon Puchniak in St. Paul, Minnesota. Ed Warner in Cedro Wooley, Washington. Ray Jacobson, Ashland, Virginia Eric Hammond in Holt, Michigan Trent Bell in Upland, California Kevin Webb, Carrollton Tech, Carlton, Texas Oliver Reich in Greenbrae, California Walter Kurtz in Fort Mill, South Carolina Steven Neumann in St. Louis, Missouri Gillian Martini in Tucson, Arizona Paul Sayre in Westbury, Wiltshire. That's in the UK. Mullen James in Franklin, Wisconsin. Yeah, Wisconsin. Pink. Daisy Crafter in Trimble, Missouri Drew Veneman in Arlington Heights, Illinois Scott Fuller in Cumming, Georgia Reagan Quinn, Monroe City, Missouri Frank Chiapetta in Carpentersville, Illinois Ryan Alba in San Ramon, California Thomas Anaya in Georgetown, Texas Chris Rivera, San Jose, California Or Pete in Metairie, Louisiana James McLemore in Fort Collins, Colorado Jason Battinger in Florence, Kentucky Al Stressler, Will Wilmette, Illinois Kent Zieser in McKinney, Texas Christopher Burkhart in Oceanside, California Russell Khoury in St. Cloud, Florida Sherry Wermager in Arlington Heights, Illinois Devin Rotter, Hansville, Washington Andrew Gardner, Sir Andrew Gardner, I think Leonardtown, Maryland Stephen Smith, Cumberland Gap, Tennessee Andy Wyatt, San Antonio, Texas Ethan Wellman, Crown Point, Indiana Nick Nancy Chardavoin in Centennial, Colorado Michael Randall, Jasper, Alberta, Canada. Kevin McLaughlin, there he is, our Duke of Luna. Archduke of Luna, Concord, NC 8888 Spencer Whitney in Warren, NJ. Mike Bateman comes in twice from Bloomington, MN. JF Triathlon Ltd. Glasgow, OH, Glasgow. There you go, that's East Dunbar Dun Dun, Barton Shire. Trying that mansoor Rod in Alfredo, Georgia. Coming in again, I think. Margo Lopez, Wyoming, Michigan. Joshua Schmidt in Norwood. Young America. That's in Minnesota. Charlotte Worcester, San Francisco, California. Speedy recovery Hendricks Obi in Dallas, Texas. Stay blessed, he says. Lamar H. Ford in Newport News, Virginia. Now we have 88 and 88 cents. Eric Rankin from Chaluada, Florida. I'm butchering that. Lydia Terry Dominelli, Rochester, New Hampshire. Boob donation from Philip Blum, 8008. Sir Fast Eddie in Alameda. And he says, how about Those magic numbers? JCD remember we had a conversation about the number 333 at the pizzeria Violeta meet up in January? Yes, a lot of threes in what happened to him. And there he is, the archdune of Luke, lover of America and Archduke of Luna, Lover of America and boobs. Kevin McLaughlin, donation, boob donation. God bless America and boobs. Nelson Ariza, also a boob donation. Lawrenceville, Georgia. Triple 7. Sean Richard from Arnhem in the Netherlands. Reagan S. Turley in Pahrump, Nevada. Call out Cha as a douchebag. Douchebag. First douchebagging a Bitcoin donation from who was unknown. 67. Eric Rankin, Choluota, Florida. That's a tough one for me. 6502. That's John's favorite chip donation. Steven Schumacher, Shoemake, I think it is in Xenia, Ohio. 6480. Teresa Dempster Andrews in Camarillo, California. 6161. She does have a note because I believe she becomes a dame today. So let me check the notes here. Adam and John Will. I finally am making it to damehood with this donation. I would like to be damed Theresa Martine and have barbecue baby back ribs and margaritas at the round table. I want you to know how much I appreciate you two and your perspectives. Especially when I have held a different opinion. It is very helpful to critical thinking process to have one's viewpoints challenged with evidence. God bless you both. Soon to be Dame Teresa and Dame Teresa. You will. It's Camarillo. Thank you Camarillo, California. You will be damed when John returns. So we make it not nice and official. Onward to Steve Wells with a small boob. 6006. First time donation through PayPal. You've been de douched. He's from Valley Springs, California. Eli. Eli Dib in France. I've been listening to your show for years now. During my weekends while doing doing DIY or gardening I live in France with a Lebanese origin. I need to hear John grousing about the new Middle east war. Come back soon, John. Eli Dib. Eli Dib. I think it is nice to have you aboard, Eli from France. We have not a lot of people in France donating for sure. Stephen King, Charlotte, North Carolina. 5885. Timothy Tillman, Mechanicsville, Virginia. 5683. Christopher Dector, 5678. We see you. Peter Chong, Lakewood, Washington. Double nickels on the Duncan dime. Daniel Wol in zurich. Wow. In Switzerland. 55. Thank you. Michael Direnzo. $55. This donations for the beautiful woman who turned me on to no agenda. Ms. Heather Bloom, Fairfield, Pennsylvania. Please deduce in the morning you've been de douched. Glenn Spangler in Roseville, 5432. We see see what you did. Lee Harwood, parts unknown, 5272. Nancy Murphy, San Bruno, California. 5244. Saga and Ronnie from Sweden. From the place we still can't pronounce because it comes through and weird characters on the spreadsheet in Sweden. Thank you very much. Bad ideas. $50.50.

A (179:56)

My favorite company. I love their stuff. Absolutely. I use it weekly.

B (180:02)

Viscounts are economic. Hitman from Tomball, Te. $50 and $0.01. Renee Kneja in Utrecht, $50. These are 50s for you. Roderick Brown, Mermaid, Pennsylvania, maybe. No, P.E.

A (180:15)

no, Canada.

B (180:16)

Prince Edward Island, Yes. Then coming in from Orange, Adrian Sandstrom, Oya in Sweden. Thank you very much. Mike Toll or Tolle in Memphis, Tennessee. Sally o', Brien, Silverdale in New Zealand, Auckland. Robert smiley in Holland, Pennsylvania. Graham McDonald, Vaucluse, New South Wales. Vaucluse, that's in Australia. John Berryhill in Laredo, Tennessee. Loretto, Tennessee. There's Stephen Shoemake, Xenia, Ohio. Tim Del Vecchio, Blandon, Pennsylvania. David Asari in West Hollywood, California. Gary Mao in Woodland Hills, California. Ashley Welch, Parts unknown, but fifty dollars. Prayers for John speedy recovery. Recovery. Jill Presnell in Wichita, Kansas. Dame Patricia Worthington, Miami, Florida. Brandon Savoir, Port Orchard, Washington. Been with us a long time. Catherine Richardson in Baltimore, Maryland. Sir Chad GPT, West Jordan, Utah. The Coopers in Greenville, South Carolina. The things you do for donations. Well, it worked okay. And that's it. That is all of our $50 donors for mainly for John's speedy recovery. It is so incredibly appreciated that you all are thinking of him that way. Thank you all so much. Remember us@noagendadonations.com it's where you can always go to support the show. No agenda donations dot com. Well, with all those donations, funny enough, only one birthday on the list. This is very, very odd. It almost feels like a clerical error. So Jacob Schultz wishes his mom a very happy birthday she celebrated yesterday. So we say, happy Birthday, Jacob Schultz's mom. From everybody here at the best podcast in the universe.

A (182:09)

Adam. Yes, thank you so much for reading all those. I. I always feel like I should be doing it now as much. But you're so. You're great.

B (182:20)

I'm sorry, I didn't. I didn't hear the last thing you said. What was that? You said, oh, you're great.

A (182:24)

Oh, you're great. I loved it.

B (182:28)

Just to make sure I heard it. So, the title changes are official and we're happy to do those. Baronet Surplus becomes Baron Illuminati today. Dame Beth becomes Dame Beth, Viscountess of Baja Arizona, and Dame Isabelle Pierre Pearson becomes Baroness of Curs. Please send me a pronunciation correction on that. We know it's in somewhere in France and we've been invited to the garden. Apparently we did. Mission note from Sean O' Connell on 1849. He says, I noticed Mimi didn't read my notes, so I don't know if she saw it or not. It was in the PayPal comment field. Things do happen. I forgive her for that. I'm sure she was nervous for her first donation, so segment. Maybe he's not nervous about anything. Anyway, I wish John a speedy recovery. And mention that I believe I've completed my donations for knighthood. I was going to include the accounting, but PayPal puts a 200 character limit on the note field. Yes, that's why we encourage it. Here it is. In case you need it when John is back in the saddle. Soon, I hope. Please knight me, Sir Hatch of the Western Wastes. As always, thanks for everything you and John do. It's at times like this that we're all reminded of the value you provide. Regards from Sean o'. Connell. And indeed, Sean, we will be knighting you upon John's return. And the dames as well. Yeah, no meetup reports today, but we do have a couple of meetups coming up. Now, these are the no agenda meetups. We can go talk. You can go to the meetup and have a prayer circle for John. There's a thought that no one has done yet at a meetup and let us record it and send a report to us Saturday. You can do that at the Treasure Valley Boise meetup, 3 o' clock at the Old State Saloon. The East Texas mid monthly meetup PI day edition. Oh yes, it's 3:14. That's right. Is that on Saturday? Hmm. Okay, well, I guess we can't do the no one donates for PI day anyway. That'll be at Fred Lobster International speedway in Gladwater, Texas. Dirty Jersey whore hosting it for you on Sunday on the 15th. The Indy NA. I do believe it's time for meetup the March edition. And of course is Sir Mark and Dame Marie of the Greenwood at Blind Owl brewery. They always send in a fabulous meet up report on the way in this month. Rockaway, New Jersey on the 18th. Coeur d', Alene, Idaho and Charlotte, North Carolina, 19th. Los Angeles, California. Franklin, Tennessee, both on the 21st. Vancouver, British Columbia on the 22nd. Colleyville, Texas on the 28th. Fort Wayne, Indiana on the 28th. Beechwood, Victoria, Australia on the 28th as well. And around reminder coming up in April on the 11th, Albany, California. Maybe John will get out for the house for that. Not sure. And of course the Fredericksburg, Texas meetup which I will be joining with Tina the keeper and Matt Long and Gail are hosting that. It's going to be a hooten nanny guaranteed no agenda meetups go to noagendameetups.com that's where you can find all of them listed. You can look out into the future. You can search by date. There's all kinds of different ways you can participate. It's free. This is just a producer organized thing. But they happen all over the world and every single time people go to one, you are making connections that give you protection. These people that you meet at the no agenda meetups will be your first responders in any emergency. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. No agenda meetups. They're easy and always a party.

A (185:57)

Days. You want to be where you won't

B (186:01)

be triggered on hell, you want to be where everybody feels the same. It's like a party. And look at this as we go to look for our end of show isos. It turns out Mimi has some end of show isos to share with us.

A (186:21)

And not a one is AI.

B (186:23)

I'm going to start all live. I'm gonna. I'll do mine first and then we can listen to yours. Here's my first one. It's on purpose. It's on purpose. It's on purpose. I'm going to the well for this. Yes. All right, here's the second one. God bless you for having the courage. Yeah, I thought that was pretty good. And here's the. It's. It's fabulous. It's amazing. I'm going to the. Well, all right. I'm going to do yours now.

A (186:48)

Mine are better. Mine are much.

B (186:50)

They are here. Here's number one. Hey, who's this woman taking my place on the show? Wow. His voice doesn't sound any good. He sounds weak.

A (187:00)

He's. He's tired.

B (187:02)

Yeah. Let's try this one. Wow, that was a great show. All of Jo. My balls are killing me. There it is. That's gotta be. Oh, there's one more, though. Well, I got another spot sponge bath today. No, no, no, no, no. Hands down. Without. My balls are killing me. That's the one. That is the one, everybody. We can't wait to play that at the end of show ISO. But first, it's time for Mimi's tip of the day.

A (187:30)

Great advice for you and me.

B (187:33)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam. All right. Tip of the day.

A (187:42)

It's kind of an off one, but it's something that I needed desperately this week. Week. It's called Panoxyl PM Overnight spot patches. It's for zits. It's for zits.

B (187:55)

Oh, did they come? Little star formation.

A (187:57)

No, I have the little round ones because I like those better. So it manages blemishes and it speeds up healing and it reduces scarring. You can get them on Amazon. They have 12,000 positive reviews and 4.5 stars.

B (188:11)

Yeah, but so do Haribo gummy bears. They've got. Got 12,000 PO, you know, reviews. So I don't know if that means anything.

A (188:18)

So it's like 16.99. You can get 40 for 80 counts you can get. It's the best deal. You can get 40 count for 949. But the Companion, that's absolutely necessary. If you get blind zits, which are pimples that before they form a head and they drive you nuts, like with cystic acne. You can use peach Z slices, which are deep blemish micro dart darts. It has, like, B3 in it in salicylic acid and tea tree oil. And they're kind of expensive. They're $8.88 for nine patches, but they absolutely work. And, you know, it's. It's. It's something that I'm sure you haven't had this tip before because John would have vetoed it. So I'm getting in the ones.

B (189:06)

It's interesting because when Christina was here for Christmas, I had a zit. You know, I don't know. I was like, I'm 61. What's going on here? And she said, oh, no, you got to get these patches. And it's the same concept. And there was a little star, and you put it on your pimple, and then. And the next day it's gone.

A (189:26)

Yeah. No, they're. Where were these when I was a teenager?

B (189:30)

Hello. Hello, everybody. That's. That's the real question. Where were they? When we were kids, we needed them.

A (189:36)

But what is it about, you know, I'm of the age I should like. I thought acne was something from my past.

B (189:42)

Yeah.

A (189:43)

It's like, what the heck? But these things are great. They're out. I thought they were nonsense, but I had this blind one, and it was driving me crazy because it just wasn't doing anything, and I was embarrassed to leave the house. So I got them.

B (189:59)

Go to no agenda fun.com tipoftheday.net to get all the details and all the tips of the day.

A (190:06)

Great advice for you and me.

B (190:09)

Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam, created by Dana Brunetti. There you go. Hey, we made it again, Mimi. And again, the donations. That's what's doing. I'm like, how can the show be so long? It's donate. Show's too long. It's too long.

A (190:27)

Well, it was lovely speaking with you. I. I really. It is kind of fun. Even though it's a lot of work,

B (190:33)

it's not a bad gig, huh? Beats. Beats working in the coal mine or writing cookbooks. Yeah, that's for the birds, man. But I didn't cook.

A (190:44)

Hey, hey. John's gonna work on his cookbook while he's short.

B (190:48)

Okay? Yeah, tell him to finish the vinegar book. That will be. That will be.

A (190:52)

It'll be in the cookbook.

B (190:53)

Oh, sure. Okay. Beautiful end of show mix is coming up from Follow the Monkey from mvp and Jeff and Andy, great, great song you guys did. Next on your no Agenda stream, if you are listening to it in a modern podcast app or noagendastream.com A walk through the Mind by Sir Billy Bones. So stay tuned for that and we will return on Sunday, myself and the lovely Miss M right here on your no Agenda. And thank you all for supporting the show. Thank you for being here. And remember us atnoensafe donations.com until Sunday. Adios mo fos, hui hooey and such.

A (191:43)

Bomb them.

B (191:44)

We need to kill and bomb them.

A (191:47)

Bomb them. We need to kill and bomb them.

B (191:51)

Bomb them. We need to bomb them.

A (191:54)

We need to kill them and bomb them again.

B (191:59)

Need for a rescue mission. When the world is threatened, the world needs help. It calls on America. And that's the story. It's no sweat off my balls. Yay. He's Trump. He's Trump. The president. Today we rejoice in the prophetic scriptures of Ezekiel revealing God's operation Fury for the enemies of Israel in the near future. In the name of Jesus, help Israel. That's actually what is happening. Goes on and on and on. It's just mind blowing. They're all over here. Neither slavers nor slaves. Those who attack us, that's Annie submitted

A (193:13)

pay a heavy price.

B (193:14)

I've only seen videos of that. This is just outrageous. Here's Trump. You have to be very careful. Powerful lobby, the strongest lobby in Washington. Running our government. It is just crazy. We want the blessings. Pray for wisdom from heaven. In these challenging times that we're facing today. Trying to run our government, you get attacked. A friend and a championship was the Jewish lobby. That's the big thing for this. The Israel lobby wear their own little fake police uniforms marching around. Give it to your videos on that. I think we've done a lot in the past. It's all divide and a lot of people finished. They're still going to try that. It isn't serving the Jewish lobby well enough. What is all this? What a stupid question that is to be asked. But those who partner with us demands progress and security. Killing a lot of people. I don't want their distress neither. Why does our whole world revolve around wars and weirdnesses? Israel's enemies have learned a hard truth. The most powerful about lobby is the Israeli lobby. President Trump just said it.

A (194:43)

It's also in the Bible.

B (194:44)

And then people like that's Andy Se trying to make us pay for and fight and die for the Greater Israel Project in the name of Jesus. Hey, John C. You grumpy old sage. Always deconstructing the meteorite. Folks said you were heartless, tough as a rock.

A (195:21)

But the surgeon stepped in and gave us a shot.

B (195:27)

Contrary to popular belief,

A (195:37)

You actually have a heart.

B (195:58)

Devorak. Org Na. My balls are killing me.