John C. Dvorak (2:04)

Is there.

Adam Curry (2:05)

Are you sensing a delay or is.

John C. Dvorak (2:07)

No, I was not. I thought I was on time.

Adam Curry (2:10)

No, you were, you were pretty late. Let me see for a second. Pretty late, yeah, unfortunately you were pretty late. Let me see. No, we got the minimal delay. You sound good. Maybe it was just the opening. Hey John, welcome back. Who cares? We can hear you. We have missed you.

John C. Dvorak (2:28)

Well, thank you, I appreciate that and glad to be back, to be honest about it.

Adam Curry (2:34)

You want to talk about your experience?

John C. Dvorak (2:37)

Yeah, I had a heart attack. I guess I was in the hospital being checked out. Curiously, yes. And they said, hey, you know what? We think it's time for you to sign these forms.

Adam Curry (2:50)

That's never good when someone says, hey, could you sign these forms for a second?

John C. Dvorak (2:54)

And then we'll be back, we'll hear from you in another day. So it was quite the experience. I wouldn't recommend it, but

Adam Curry (3:06)

I mean, I would.

John C. Dvorak (3:07)

The worst part, the worst part is this is like a double bypass is what it was.

Adam Curry (3:11)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (3:12)

So the worst part was. Is now is that you just miserable. I mean, you're not. There's no pain. It's just that you can't. You know, you can't rest. Right. You're limited in your. In your motions because if you do. If you. You know, if you, like, threw a baseball, it rip you apart. So you can't do this, you can't do that. You can't do this. You can't get up that way. You can't do this. You can't move left. You can't move right. Because don't do that. And so. And so you're stuck kind of in this, like, kind of limited range of abilities. I can talk.

Adam Curry (3:47)

Yeah, but do you get winded after a while from talking? Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (3:53)

No.

Adam Curry (3:54)

Oh, damn. Long show again, people.

John C. Dvorak (3:57)

No, no, no. We're cutting the show. We're making this today. I would recommend the following.

Adam Curry (4:01)

Here we go.

John C. Dvorak (4:03)

Jumble the donation segments, go right to the tip of the day, and wrap.

Adam Curry (4:10)

Okay, so you mean do the. All the donation segment, everything in one huge segment and then to tip of the day?

John C. Dvorak (4:17)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (4:17)

Okay, so what about the ISO selection? We do the ISO.

John C. Dvorak (4:21)

Oh, we can do that. I only have one.

Adam Curry (4:23)

So do you mind me just asking a few things about. About your experience?

John C. Dvorak (4:26)

Because I would expect you to ask me a few things about your experience. About my experience.

Adam Curry (4:32)

First of all, I want you to know your wife was flipping out. She may have seemed very calm, but she was freaking out. She. It was very difficult for her. And so I just want you.

John C. Dvorak (4:45)

That was largely because of the doctors.

Adam Curry (4:49)

Oh, really? Because they. Oh, yeah. And I think that after the surgery, they had Jay and Brennan in, like, a special room, which was very freaky. It's like, oh, is a special room? Is this where they tell you, like, well, the operation was success, but he has no head. But his head is gone. Yeah. And, well, the thing I was curious about, because you had all kinds of other complications that were going on, and they had to intubate you. How much did that. Were you awake when they intubated you?

John C. Dvorak (5:23)

Supposedly, no.

Adam Curry (5:26)

But you remember it, but yes. Oh, what was that like? Is that crazy?

John C. Dvorak (5:34)

It's really nuts. It's not a good experience, but, I mean, you're so drugged up, it doesn't really. You can't. You don't care as much as you might as you would normally, but you're paralyzed, and you are. And you. The real problem is you get that you. You're kind of, like, covered with a. Like a parachute. I mean, that's what. That's what you can see, if you can see anything. But the real problem with it, and I don't think anyone's ever discussed this. Is that the yakety yak that goes on in the. In the operating room?

Adam Curry (6:07)

Oh, dear.

John C. Dvorak (6:08)

Talk. You can hear it all.

Adam Curry (6:10)

Oh, so. So you're sedated, you're asleep, but you're not. You're. It's like. Like you died. And you're not dead yet.

John C. Dvorak (6:17)

Exactly. Oh.

Adam Curry (6:19)

Oh. Do you feel pain at that point? You feel nothing?

John C. Dvorak (6:22)

No, no, you don't feel anything, but

Adam Curry (6:23)

you hear them yapping. Are they making jokes? Like this old geezer. Should we really?

John C. Dvorak (6:27)

No, they're not making jokes about me, but they're talking about their plans for the night.

Adam Curry (6:31)

What?

John C. Dvorak (6:32)

Did you. Did you watch that movie the other day? Did you see the Oscars? It's just. It goes and it's. And it's relentless.

Adam Curry (6:39)

Did you pick up any good tips?

John C. Dvorak (6:42)

No, I did not.

Adam Curry (6:44)

Wow. But was that the whole time? The whole. Because you were out for like a couple days, I think.

John C. Dvorak (6:50)

Well, I mean, you're not under the whole time and intubated, but during the operation, which I don't know how long that took out to find out.

Adam Curry (6:59)

You don't remember that, though, do you?

John C. Dvorak (7:02)

No. You don't remember anything like that? All you remember is listening to these voices.

Adam Curry (7:07)

During the surgery or during the.

John C. Dvorak (7:09)

Yeah, no, during the surgery.

Adam Curry (7:11)

Oh, no. Wow. That's kind of crazy.

John C. Dvorak (7:18)

Yeah, I know. No one's ever mentioned this. I'm gonna have to talk to some other people about it.

Adam Curry (7:23)

Were there any hot nurses?

John C. Dvorak (7:26)

There was a lot of nurses. I, by the way, now have great insight into why Medicaid is going to go broke.

Adam Curry (7:35)

Do expand.

John C. Dvorak (7:37)

Well, for one thing, with some of these big companies like this is Sutter Health, Medicine has changed from being actually, you know, you have doctors to protocols

Adam Curry (7:50)

and suppliers, people who do stuff.

John C. Dvorak (7:56)

You have protocols, protocols and more protocols, and everything is done by protocols, done by a checklist. It's all the same old expert system that we remember from the 1980s when AI first came, or not first, but second or third time it showed up, and then these expert systems showed up. And this has moved over and this took over medicine. And so there's no. So everything's plug and play. You don't need a Jewish doctors are done. I think I ran into one the whole time I was here for more

Adam Curry (8:26)

reasons than one, I'm told.

John C. Dvorak (8:28)

Well, one reason is that they'll ask questions.

Adam Curry (8:31)

Oh, no, we can't have that.

John C. Dvorak (8:34)

No, no, no. You know, there's a protocol after a, B, you check A, you check B, you check C, you check D. You check E. And then you do this.

Adam Curry (8:43)

So no one is. Is looking at the whole. At the patient as a whole? The entire life of the patient.

John C. Dvorak (8:49)

Exactly. You find some old timers, but that's the end of it.

Adam Curry (8:54)

Oh, that's too bad. That's. That kind of. That feels wrong.

John C. Dvorak (8:59)

Yeah. This is why I think they. They. There was a. I think we had another show a few months ago where the whities are not supposed to even get into medicine anymore.

Adam Curry (9:11)

Whiteies. Were there whities in the. In your procedures? Did you have whities operating on you?

John C. Dvorak (9:19)

I'd say 10%, maybe.

Adam Curry (9:21)

Wow. Now, did anyone know who you were? Did anyone say, like, oh, eventually, yeah. Did anyone say, like, oh, that's that dude from no Agenda. Oh, man, no.

John C. Dvorak (9:31)

Somebody looked up, Googled me, one of the more curious nurses, and said, what? She said, I googled you. Your fa. Are you famous? And I said, no. Is this you in there in the Google? I said, yeah, that's me in the Google? Yeah.

Adam Curry (9:49)

These are the people taking care of you. Is that you in the Google? Yeah. Okay, that's. That's real. That's. That's calming.

John C. Dvorak (9:55)

And then another doctor, some casual doctor, some, I think it was a nephrologist came by under some circumstance, and he just left. I mean, they all. All these doctors come and they go. They don't do anything. Did anyone.

Adam Curry (10:09)

Did anyone give in in the morning? Like, hey, in the morning?

John C. Dvorak (10:11)

No. This one guy did say, I'll be listening to the podcast, but I did not get in in the morning.

Adam Curry (10:16)

Do you want to thank any of your doctors or nurses? Anyone?

John C. Dvorak (10:19)

I don't even know who half of them are.

Adam Curry (10:21)

Oh, wow.

John C. Dvorak (10:22)

This is. It's a system.

Adam Curry (10:23)

Were they all named. Were they all named Sanjeet?

John C. Dvorak (10:27)

There's a lot. No, actually, most of them were Filipino.

Adam Curry (10:31)

Oh, interesting.

John C. Dvorak (10:34)

And like to thank Anna Banana. It's the only way I can remember. Joke name. Okay. But I would say there, I went through, let's see, 4:12, probably about 200 people.

Adam Curry (10:55)

Really?

John C. Dvorak (10:55)

Now, 200 people came by.

Adam Curry (10:58)

Everybody collecting 150 bucks for each visit.

John C. Dvorak (11:01)

No, they all come by. They all get your vitals, stick a thermometer in your mouth and pump up, pump, pump.

Adam Curry (11:08)

Did they have any. Is this a medical hospital? They have any students come by and like, oh, yeah, no, no, it's not okay. And then finally, what everyone really wants to know is, how was the food?

John C. Dvorak (11:20)

It was terrible. I couldn't eat anything.

Adam Curry (11:24)

Oh, well, what did you wind up eating? You got to eat something.

John C. Dvorak (11:28)

Oh, you know, you find some grapes.

Adam Curry (11:30)

Oh, gee.

John C. Dvorak (11:32)

So you end up. You're starving to death in there. And I have stories about the food, which I'll elaborate on at some later date.

Adam Curry (11:43)

And then sponge baths. Were those embarrassing?

John C. Dvorak (11:47)

At some point, the embarrassment is long gone.

Adam Curry (11:51)

Dude, I cannot tell you how happy I am to have you back.

John C. Dvorak (11:56)

Well, I'm. I'm. I'm happy about it.

Adam Curry (11:58)

Yes, I'm sure you are. It was. It was one of those things where, you know, we're always joking about exit strategy. And then did you hear, by the way, how that went? Like, I heard it from Horowitz.

John C. Dvorak (12:11)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (12:12)

Which was kind of disturbing.

John C. Dvorak (12:14)

Well, because I have. Horowitz's show was coming up, so I sent him a tech. Or. No, actually, I left a. I left a message somewhere. He never got it.

Adam Curry (12:26)

No one knows where this message is.

John C. Dvorak (12:28)

So he was like, you know, where are you? You know.

Adam Curry (12:31)

And so then he called me at 8, 10 after 8 on Tuesday. I'm like. And I was. I don't know. I was doing something. I'm like, oh, that's Horowitz. The stream is not working. I'll call him back in five minutes. I call him back, he's like, yeah, what's up with John? What do you mean, what's up? And being in the hospital. I said, what? So. And although. And I. First of all, I got to tell you, your family is phenomenal. Really are. I mean, they immediately. They're jumping in. You know, they're okay, we gotta. We gotta. John is priority one. Although I had to remind them of that from time. Time to time. It's like, John. No, John is priority one. Don't worry about anything. We'll take care of anything, and we'll figure it out. And Mimi right away was like, okay, we're very creative people. We can come up with solutions. We can't just have best of shows. I'm like, does she have an executive producer credit somewhere? Okay. And then she says, well, I'm just going to do the show. And I said, okay. I talked to Tina about it. Tina, right. I was like, that's a great idea. Because she's heard Mimi and me talk on the phone for hours about nonsense. She says, that's a great idea. But the funniest was Jay, who, first of all, is trying to break into all your computers because you're not so good at the password book, apparently.

John C. Dvorak (14:02)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (14:02)

And they, you know, And. And then all. All systems, even if you have the password these days. Oh, that's fine. You have the password. But I don't recognize this computer. So you have to do two. Two factor authentication. But no one had the password to your actual computer.

John C. Dvorak (14:20)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (14:21)

And so they're like, do you know the password? Like, do I know the password? Huh?

John C. Dvorak (14:26)

Why would you know the password? That's.

Adam Curry (14:28)

That's how desperate they were. I said, try his PIN pass. His PIN code. Try his birth date. I don't know. I have no idea. And then, so Jay finally gets a hold of mailchimp. She's like, okay, I've got this. I'm going to do the newsletter. And she says, what do you think of this? And now, mind you, you hadn't even had your procedure yet, but you're under and hearing everything. But you're under. You're sedated, you got a tube down your neck. And your daughter's like, how about this? Give John a reason to live donation. I'm like, wow. Wow.

John C. Dvorak (15:06)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (15:07)

Fantastic. And JC Jumped in with Horowitz, which you should probably be a little worried about. People thought he was really good.

John C. Dvorak (15:16)

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I was actually surprised.

Adam Curry (15:19)

I wasn't. I was. Yes.

John C. Dvorak (15:21)

Well, the reason I was surprised because he. He has his buddy that years ago. These two guys have been trying. They're like pals that. That can do.

Adam Curry (15:30)

They've been trying to do a podcast. Trying to podcast.

John C. Dvorak (15:33)

And then. But then when they try to do a podcast, it's like they can't get any. Can't say a word. And so, you know, I'm sure there's plenty of people out there like that with that experience. And so I said, oh, let's see how that goes. He took it home. I thought he did a great job. He had good one liners. Yeah. Good comebacks, definitely. Yeah.

Adam Curry (15:55)

Did you. Did you follow any news, anything going on while. During your stay, which will be three weeks this Tuesday?

John C. Dvorak (16:02)

What else do I have to do?

Adam Curry (16:03)

Yeah. No. Well, this was the funniest. After you're. You were sent pretty quickly to the rehab center and. And Mimi said, oh, that thing was Jay, or I can't remember who told me. It's like, yeah, John is back. He's making little jokes. He's very annoyed, and he's watching Chinese television because he wants to learn the language.

John C. Dvorak (16:26)

That's a good one.

Adam Curry (16:28)

And did you, did you come up with that? Did you. Well, while you were. While you were away, you missed the biggest news. The biggest news in America. Stop. Quote. In light of the newly released video, we have made the decision to not move forward with the new season of the Bachelorette. That's what a Disney Entertainment spokesperson told ET today less than three hours after TMZ posted footage from Taylor's 2023 domestic violence incident incident three days before the show was set to premiere. A rep for Taylor tells ET she's grateful for ABC support as she prioritizes her family's safety and security. She is currently preparing to own and share her story. There it is. That's what everyone's talking about, the Bachelorette.

John C. Dvorak (17:25)

Well, I just that when it came out, borderline personality disorder. Looks like to me a bad case of it. A bad case of it maybe mixed with some other issues. And that was horrible.

Adam Curry (17:37)

But what I thought immediately was, this is great because now, because I guess she was on this Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So the series is probably a dog. It's probably no good because this, all of a sudden, this is in the can.

John C. Dvorak (17:56)

That's the problem.

Adam Curry (17:57)

Well, exactly. It was in the can precisely like, wow, this is not great. It's the 22nd or 23rd season. We got the stupid war taking away ratings. Maybe we can create some. Hey, dude, that videotape you talked about, can you give me that recording of her trying to hit you with a chair? And she's gonna tell her own story. I smell a new show coming.

John C. Dvorak (18:22)

Yeah, you're probably right.

Adam Curry (18:23)

That's how I would roll with it.

John C. Dvorak (18:27)

Yeah, they dumped it faster than you can imagine. Well, let's talk about the war.

Adam Curry (18:31)

Oh, yes, there is a war going on.

John C. Dvorak (18:35)

Here's what gets me. I got two clips from Trump on progress on the BBC.

Adam Curry (18:40)

Okay, here we go. Well, Donald Trump has also been speaking today. He insisted that the US Is doing extremely well. That's how he described it in this war with Iran.

John C. Dvorak (18:49)

Their navy's gone, Their air force is gone. Their anti aircraft is all gone.

Adam Curry (18:54)

It's all gone.

John C. Dvorak (18:55)

Their radar is all gone. Their leaders are all gone. The next set of leaders are all gone. And the next set of leaders are mostly gone. And now nobody wants to be a

Adam Curry (19:06)

leader over there anymore. We're having a hard time.

John C. Dvorak (19:09)

We want to talk to them and there's nobody to talk to. We have nobody to talk to. And you know what? We like it that way. And we have many other distinguished members of the United States military. But I want to tell you, HECSETH is doing a great job. And Raisin Cain is doing a great job. As good as anybody's ever seen. Don't forget we had Venezuela. That was the beginning where people started to see the talent I built I

Adam Curry (19:32)

rebuilt the military and built it, frankly, including Space Force, but I rebuilt the

John C. Dvorak (19:38)

military in my first term. I didn't think I'd be using it this much, but I'm glad I rebuilt

Adam Curry (19:43)

it because we can't let these lunatics

John C. Dvorak (19:46)

have nuclear weapons because they were going to use them, they'd use them fast.

Adam Curry (19:49)

Yeah, that was kind of a classic that he was saying, there's nobody left to talk to.

John C. Dvorak (19:53)

There's nobody there. We blew up everything. We're good to go. But then why is this going on? So why they. Well, how they managed to slam shut the straight, you know, answer me that. Well, let's play the second part of this and we'll talk about it.

Adam Curry (20:10)

All right. That was Donald Trump. Let's go back to the White House and to our correspondent Tom Bateman. Tom, we are three weeks in. Give me your assessment of where you think we are. Well, you know, I mean, you heard from Donald Trump. They're repeating some of the messages that we've heard over the last few days, frankly. But I think what he didn't say there is about again about the Strait of Hormuz that was left to this social media post that he put out in the minutes before that, calling America's NATO allies cowards because he says they won't take part in any US Operations to try and reopen the Strait. Now, that is going to send a shockwave through the leaders of NATO. They are used to some of the kinds of equivocation, the questioning of the value of the NATO alliance to the United States and Mr. Trump has done in the past. But we're now in a territory where he's, where he is continuing to use his kind of language now, really questioning their, their value, calling him a paper tiger, for example, which as far as NATO allies are concerned, sends a signal to their adversaries, mostly to, of course, to Russia, that might suggest the US Wouldn't defend NATO countries in the event of an invasion in Eastern Europe. They've always been really worried about this. And that kind of language, I think, is going to really concern them. It is a signal of the frustration, the anger that Mr. Trump is clearly feeling about the part of this war that is going wrong for him. They don't have a solution yet to deal with the way the Iranians have managed to control the Strait of Hormuz. And this kind of lashing out at his NATO allies, I think is symptomatic of that. Hmm. Yeah, I have thoughts on this. But because NATO was brought up, there's, it's no coincidence this morning, thanks to clip collector Steve. My boy was on CBS with FACE THE Nation to, I guess to kind of make everybody in NATO feel good. And Mark Rutte was in rare form. We turn now to NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, who joins us this morning from the Hague in the Netherlands. Welcome back to FACE THE nation, Margaret. Good to be back on the program. Good morning. Hey, good morning. Hey, Margaret. It's good to be here every time. Yes. Fantastic morning. We did see that Iran fired two missiles at Diego Garcia. That's that island in the Indian Ocean which houses a US UK joint base that was 4,000km from Iranian territory, furthest Iran has ever gone. You just heard Ambassador Waltz say there might be a difference there in how Israel and the US Assess that capability Iran has in terms of what they fired. But Israel says these were intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit Berlin, Paris and Rome. Does Naito share that Israeli assessment? Well, Margaret, we cannot confirm that at the moment, so we're looking into that. But if this would be true, it is the more evidence that what the president is doing here, taking out the ballistic missile capability, taking out the nuclear capability from Iran is crucial and exactly as the ambassadors just said. Ambassador Waltz, we have seen with North Korea, if we negotiate for too long, you might pass the moment where you can still get this thing done. And North Korea now has the nuclear capability. If Iran would have the nuclear capability capability, including together with. Was that confirmed that North Korea has nuclear. He said North Korea now has nuclear capabilities. That being confirmed. Do we really know that?

John C. Dvorak (23:46)

What are you talking about? Of course they do.

Adam Curry (23:48)

We don't actually know. Have they ever.

John C. Dvorak (23:50)

Yeah, they blowed up a whole crapload of little bombs. They're not monsters.

Adam Curry (23:54)

Little bombs. Okay. They blowed up.

John C. Dvorak (23:56)

They're nukes.

Adam Curry (23:57)

Okay. North Korea now has the nuclear capability. If Iran would have the nuclear capability, including together with is the missile capability, it will be a direct threat, a existential threat to Israel, to the region, the region, Europe, to everybody in the world. So the president doing this is crucial. And I've seen the polling, but I really the American people will be with him because he is doing this to make the whole world safer. Okay. So thank you. We got more. We got more. Well, I'm sure the president appreciates your praise, but he has been very frustrated and made that clear this week with NATO and the European allies. He called NATO, quote, a paper tiger without the U.S. he said they complain about high oil prices when they're forced to pay, but they don't want to help Open the Strait of Hormuz. Easy for them. Cowards. We will remember. I've been in several conversations this week with the President. And the good news is that, look, we had the US for weeks planning for Epic Fury, and for reasons of security and safety, they could not share with European allies and allies around the world and partner countries what they were doing because that would have jeopardized the effect of the first attack, or it would have allowed you to it. Is it only logical that European countries needed a couple of weeks to come together? But at this moment, the good news is this, that since Thursday, 22 countries, most of them NATO, but also Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Bahrain, the UAE, have come together to basically, basically answer three questions. What do we need? When do we need it, and where do we need it? These three questions are now worked through to answer the President's call to make sure that we secure the free sailing through the Strait of Hormuz. You know, I have this thought that the President isn't really in any rush to open the Strait of Hormuz. And it's. What is it?

John C. Dvorak (25:58)

There's actually some papers out there that would back you up.

Adam Curry (26:01)

You know, it's like. Well, because it's not. Yes, it affects oil prices, but oil prices are market prices. I'm not sure that, you know, that there isn't enough oil to go around for the time being.

John C. Dvorak (26:14)

Yeah, but this isn't helping Saudi Arabia.

Adam Curry (26:17)

No, no, it doesn't help them. But I'm just. I can't help but think like, yeah, maybe he's not in such a hurry, and then this happens. Well, actually, this happens this morning. I think we're going beyond the strait now. We're going to where all the fish are in the portal.

John C. Dvorak (26:37)

A new looming threat to international shipping and the global economy. With the vital Strait of Hormuz effectively

Adam Curry (26:45)

closed since the US And Israel launched

John C. Dvorak (26:47)

strikes on Iran, Tehran's Houthi allies in Yemen are now threatening to block the

Adam Curry (26:52)

strategic Bab El Mandeb Strait on Friday said the Houthis, who control Yemen's capital and northwestern Red Sea coast, may close

John C. Dvorak (27:02)

the maritime corridor that connects Europe, Asia and Africa. A representative for the group said that

Adam Curry (27:09)

if it does close the waterway, it

John C. Dvorak (27:11)

would only attack vessels belonging to states carrying out strikes on Iran, Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq.

Adam Curry (27:18)

The Bab El Mandeb Strait connects the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

John C. Dvorak (27:23)

It's known as a strategic choke point linking the Atlantic Ocean, Mediterranean Sea, and Indian Ocean.

Adam Curry (27:30)

It's a vital route for global trade, particularly for Oil and gas shipments between Europe and Asia. So when the Houthis come out, like, how much of a threat are those guys? I mean, don't they have little.

John C. Dvorak (27:47)

Well, they're a threat to. If you're, if you got a $16 million tanker full of oil.

Adam Curry (27:54)

Right. But if you've got, you know, U.S. forces in the region, seems like that wouldn't be too much of a problem to blow them out of the water.

John C. Dvorak (28:03)

Not necessarily.

Adam Curry (28:03)

Well, yeah, you know, it's like, but, well. And then here's Trump getting onto the helicopter, talking about when the strait will open up.

John C. Dvorak (28:14)

It's a simple military maneuver, it's relative, but you need a lot of help in the sense of you need ships, you need volume. And NATO could help us, but they so far haven't had the courage to do so. And others could help us, but, you

Adam Curry (28:31)

know, we don't use it.

John C. Dvorak (28:32)

You know, at a certain point it'll

Adam Curry (28:34)

open itself at a certain point.

John C. Dvorak (28:37)

But we've defeated the enemy. And they are an enemy. They're a sick group of people. Their leadership is gone. The navy is gone. The air force is gone. The anti aircraft equipment that they have, the radar they have is all gone. Everything's gone. The strait itself, the actual straight. How are you? The strait itself is, they're doing a good job. But it would be nice if the countries, including China, if the countries that use it, China uses it 90% of their energy. Japan is 95% of the energy. It would be nice if those countries would get involved.

Adam Curry (29:16)

All right, so now he's, he's saying, okay, NATO doesn't want to help. The strait can open itself up is what I heard him say there. But it would be nice if China and Japan helped out. You know, so he's, he's making a clear call. He's delayed his meeting with, with Xi another four, five, six weeks. I think he's in, I think we may be in total control. There's a game here that's going on.

John C. Dvorak (29:39)

I, I think anything. But that's okay. Here's my thinking. He can't win this thing continuing what he's trying to do, but he keeps hinting that, oh, we've taken everything out, oh, we've taken everything out and no one's helping us. His exit strategy, I think, and I think it would be a good one and I think it would work, is to just pull out. Just pull out. Hey, we got, we, there's nothing else we can blow up. We blew up all that. We did. They don't have an air force or navy. Navy or. They've got no radar, they got nothing. And we don't nobody to talk to. We don't even know who the leaders are. That one guy's gay, apparently.

Adam Curry (30:22)

That was the best. He's actually now an entry in the Eurovision Song Contest this year, I hear.

John C. Dvorak (30:27)

Oh, that makes sense. So you get out and you do the following. You say and say, well, if they say they're going to reopen the Hormuz, we'll just get out, let them reopen it and let things stabilize a little bit, maybe come back again and at the same time say, we would have stayed and done more damage, but we weren't getting any help. NATO's not helping us, Europe's not helping us. Nobody's helping us. China's not helping us. Nobody, Nobody, nobody. And so what are we supposed to do? We can't do the whole thing and get the hell out of there.

Adam Curry (31:04)

That would be reasonable to say as fast as possible.

John C. Dvorak (31:07)

That's if he has the nerve to do that. That takes a lot of guts.

Adam Curry (31:12)

Well, there is. There is one thing that to me, looks like beneficial, at minimum. So the President got really, well, really mad. He was mad on Truth Social. I'm mad at Israel for taking out the. The gas, the LNG field in Qatar.

John C. Dvorak (31:30)

Yeah. He's also irked about the fact that one of their guys contradicted him at the press conference.

Adam Curry (31:38)

Who?

John C. Dvorak (31:38)

The Defense Minister of Israel.

Adam Curry (31:43)

Oh, yeah. No, he's.

John C. Dvorak (31:44)

He's going to cut Israel loose if they keep this up.

Adam Curry (31:46)

Yes, he will. And in fact, I'm thinking the more he's pushing back on them, at a certain point, he may be like, you know, I'm waiting for the opportunity to not only show that what I was doing was in America's interest, but that Israel doesn't control me. And I'm going to show it like this, and it's going to be something. It'll be a move that is obvious, and the only thing it can do is cut off, like, no more Patriot missiles or something like that. And I kind of feel him ramping up for that. It would be good for him to do it because the whole idea that Bibi Netanyahu held a gun to his head and he did this, is pretty rampant, as expected. But the oil field, the Qatar oil field, oil field, turns out is kind of beneficial to us. A developing story where we are learning more today about how the conflict in the Middle east could impact Alaska's energy market. Augusta McDonnell has been following this story all week. And Augusta, what changes are you monitoring right now? Yes, Ariana, I've been looking at how the destruction of a liquefied natural gas plant in Qatar could influence efforts to build an LNG pipeline across Alaska. The Alaska LNG project is a major energy infrastructure initiative. You're probably familiar with it. They want to build a pipeline, pipeline that would transport natural gas from the North Slope to south central Alaska. Now, this project is led by Glenfarn Group, which has a 75% stake. And project leaders say they want to deliver 20 million metric tons annually to primarily Asian market buyers. And that's a key detail because the LNG facility that was hit by an Iranian counter strike in Qatar just days ago supplied 20% of the world's liquefied natural gas gas, and 80% of that product went to Asian markets. Qatar Energy's Rost Lauffen complex was taken offline on Monday, with Reuters now reporting it's not expected to be operating again for weeks. In a statement from Glenfar in Alaska, LNG spokesperson Tim Fitzpatrick had this to say, quote, global events repeatedly show the strategic advantage of Alaska LNG's location as the only US source of LNG with direct Pacific access, avoiding contested waters and choke points. And to that point, he's referring here to shipping delays through the critical Strait of Hormuth due to the conflict and saying further, Glenn Farn is working closely with Asian LNG buyers to accelerate commercial agreements and complete Alaska lng. So this kind of complicates the theory that he's going to cut Israel loose, because maybe it was a plan all along. When you look at the, at the Alaskan lng, it's on the north side. And the only way to currently get it down to China and Japan is through the Bering Strait. Well, enter a little conversation with Putin at the beginning of the year in Alaska about business in Alaska, because the plan has been since this year to cut a pipeline all the way down the south so that you wouldn't have to go through the Bering Strait. But that is obviously not completed yet. This is from a year ago. It's one of the most important nights on Taiwan's business calendar. An annual dinner in Taipei hosted by the American Chamber of Commerce in Taiwan, where business leaders from around the world rub elbows with officials from both countries. But the star of the show wasn't a person, but a pipeline for LNG liquefied natural gas.

John C. Dvorak (35:18)

The Trump administration is especially eager to share our LNG resources with close partners, including through the completion of the Alaska North Slope LNG Project.

Adam Curry (35:26)

The pipeline, which has been pushed, pushed since President Trump took office in January, aims to sell Alaska's LNG to Asia.

John C. Dvorak (35:34)

My administration is also working on a gigantic natural gas pipeline in Alaska, among

Adam Curry (35:40)

the largest in the world, where Japan,

John C. Dvorak (35:43)

South Korea, and other nations want to be our partner.

Adam Curry (35:45)

The 44 billion US dollar project would stretch 1300 kilometers across the northern state. The gas it produced would then be shipped to some of the world's largest gas importers, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. And the night saw Taiwan's national oil company, cpc, announce its intent to invest in the project and buy its lng. We are very interested in buying Alaska natural gas because it can meet our

John C. Dvorak (36:15)

needs and ensure our energy security.

Adam Curry (36:19)

Yes. Okay, so pretty important. Everybody there?

John C. Dvorak (36:23)

Yeah. We, by the way, did discuss this when it was first announced.

Adam Curry (36:26)

I can't remember that. To me, it was like, oh, I heard this.

John C. Dvorak (36:30)

You're so pipelined out. I think it's probably it.

Adam Curry (36:33)

I am. I'm so pipelined. But pipelines turn out to be really important. They're trying to do the increase. They can't. They got like 3 million barrels a day going from Saudi Arabia across the desert. That's not going to replace anything. You're 20 million or 25 million barrels a day. But it, I mean, it's just, it feels like, you know, I think I'm agreeing with your idea there, that, like, you know, you guys wouldn't help out. Okay, whatever. But, man, Trump has got to do something about Israel, and that's why he's yelling at him. The only guy who might be able to give us some insight is the gay Patton. Gay general Patton. Scott Bessen, who was very involved in all of this, and he does speak financial stuff. And he was on Meet the Press this morning interested in Manhands Welker's interview with him. Hello.

John C. Dvorak (37:32)

I'm sorry, what did you say?

Adam Curry (37:33)

Do you want to hear the gay general?

John C. Dvorak (37:35)

Oh, no, I actually watched it. Yeah, there's some good moments in there. He kind of, like, I think it was his best moments, was predicting what the next guest was going to talk about.

Adam Curry (37:46)

Well, you know, I was on the phone with President Trump a week ago. He told me allies were on the way to help secure the Strait of Hormuz. Has the Trump administration abandoned that strategy and now chosen to go it alone again? What we have done, there has been a campaign to be using military assets to soften up the Iranian fortifications along the Strait. That's going to continue until they are completely demolished. And, Kristen, let me tell you whether it's this network or the mainstream press. The American people do not have good framing what is going on here. If you were to read what is happening. Not good framing. I'm sure when Senator Murphy is on, you know, he has come out and said we are losing the war. That is wrong. We have demolished the Iranian capabilities. Their air force is completely destroyed, Navy destroyed. And every day we are taking out their missiles, their missile systems and the factories that build those missiles. And now are the. General Kaine Secretary Hegseth are leading a campaign to destroy all the fortifications along the Straits of Hormuz. Just to put a fine point on this though, is the president in the process of winding down this war or escalating again? They're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate to de. Escalation. You got to hit the gas to go slower. Okay, so this is. This is really where it comes down to is stuff is moving, but it's moving at. It sounds like our. At our whim. All right, let me talk about your

John C. Dvorak (39:23)

announcement this past week. On Friday, the Treasury Department lifted sanctions

Adam Curry (39:27)

on Iranian oil stored on tankers, a move that would effectively allow Iran to get more than 14 billion billion of oil revenue. Why is the US helping to fund a country that it's currently at war with again? Kristen, why don't we. Who is he talking about, Russia or Iran?

John C. Dvorak (39:48)

Iran, actually.

Adam Curry (39:49)

Okay. The U.S. helping.

John C. Dvorak (39:51)

Which makes me wonder again, let's just stop for a second. Go back to our thesis of, I don't know, years ago where there's a. They're in cahoots. We're in cahoots with them.

Adam Curry (40:02)

Well, with somebody who's left to be in cahoots with.

John C. Dvorak (40:04)

Well, I don't know. I mean, this is. That's why it's got to get out of there and see what shakes out.

Adam Curry (40:09)

Yeah. Okay, here we go. It would effectively allow Iran to get more than $14 billion of oil revenue. Why is the US helping to fund a country that it's currently at war with again? Kristen, why don't we have good facts here that Iranian oil was always going to be sold to the Chinese. It was going to be sold at a discount. Best price. Which. Which is better, Kristen? The seven. The. Which is better. If they were. If oil prices spiked to $150 and they were getting 70% of that or oil prices below 100, it's better to have them where they are now. And to be clear, we had always planned for this contingency. About 140 million barrels are out on the water. In essence, we are jiu jitsuing the Iranians. We are using their own oil against them. We have a much better line of sight to be clear at treasury. When this oil goes to if it goes to Indonesia, if it goes to Japan, if it goes to Korea, we have a much better line of sight and are able to block accounts that the oil goes into to. When it goes into China, it completely gets recycled. So the fort to be clear, that 14 billion. What did he say?

John C. Dvorak (41:26)

He's steamrolling this poor woman and she has a golden opportunity to just stop him cold and say why don't we just commandeer all this oil and they get nothing out of it like we did with Venezuela. Why don't we do that? No, no. She was flat footed. This is terrible. She's just no good at this job.

Adam Curry (41:44)

And this oil goes to if it goes to Indonesia, if it goes to Japan, if it goes to Korea, we a much better line of sight and are able to block accounts that the oil goes into. When it goes into China, it completely gets recycled. So the fort recycle. I didn't understand. Block accounts and it gets recycled. I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (42:06)

It gets recycled. And she says nothing goes to Korea.

Adam Curry (42:09)

We have a much better line of sight and are able to block accounts that the oil goes into. When it goes into China, it completely gets recycled. So the fort to be clear, that 14 billion number is grossly overstated. Okay, so now we're just. That's just numbers. But Manhands Welker has has the question. She knows what her viewers want to know. I mean even Tina was getting gas the other day and she texts me thanks Trump. Because you know, it's kind of expensive even in Texas. Let me talk about the real world impact of this because you're talking about 140 million barrels of Iranian oil and the that's just a little bit more than what the world uses in one day. How much can that really change prices? Again, terrible framing, terrible frame.

John C. Dvorak (42:54)

Well, how much can it

Adam Curry (42:56)

talk to consumers? How much will it change? Just Let me explain. 140 million barrels. That about 20 million barrels a day comes out of the Gulf. About 5 million has been the repurposed by the Saudis. So it's basically seven days. My calculations right there.

John C. Dvorak (43:18)

I don't know. He's just throwing so many numbers on that.

Adam Curry (43:21)

By the UAE Buffalo Square at a 15 deficit, about 1.5 is Iranian oil that comes out. So we are at between a 10 and 14 million deficit on a daily basis. So if you think about 140 million barrels, that's between 10 days and two weeks of supply. One of the reasons, one of the reasons that prices in the US of West Texas crude are below $100 and we have not seen this massive spike as we did during the beginning of Russia Ukraine is because we are well supplied in the market. Whether it is the Russian oil, whether it is Iranian oil or it is, is the largest the SPR release in history done by a coalition of 32 countries. 400 million barrels. Right. But it's the markets determine the price. The markets are just spooked. So, you know, that's why the price is going up whether there's enough in the market or not. But okay, one to two weeks is, would be the pull out time and.

John C. Dvorak (44:28)

Well, he's setting it up. Yeah, but does he have the guts to do it? This is a gutsy move. In what way to pull out? Well, it looks like you surrendered. No, there's the Americans. They go in, they can't. They just never stick it out.

Adam Curry (44:42)

He can only, he can only. Here's, here's how it would work. Israel does something stupid and Trump goes, because here's your twofer. And Trump goes, all right, you idiots, go do whatever. I'm out.

John C. Dvorak (44:57)

No, that's too, too, too obvious. Yeah, that's too scripted. Looks like he's got to just do it out of scratch. And I think he's setting it up. He's saying, we've done everything we can do and now there's just these rogue. The way they describe it, the only reason their missiles are flying around is because of these rogue generals and these rogue, you know, Iranian guys. And, but there's no leaders that nobody to talk to. He says, yeah, so what's the point of us being there? We got no leaders, nobody to talk to you. They've taken everything out that's important. They set back the nuke program once again. Get out.

Adam Curry (45:40)

One more, one more. Math with Scott Clip. All right, let's talk about the Russian oil, which you just raised. The administration did ease oil sanctions on Russia earlier this month. You had initially defended imposing those sanctions, calling Russian exports, quote, oil that funds

John C. Dvorak (45:56)

the Russian war machine.

Adam Curry (45:58)

It was. If the point of the sanctions was to stop funding the Russian war machine, why is the administration effectively rewarding Russia? Again, you're missing the point. Which is, which is better? Does Russia get more money? If oil goes to 150 and they get 70% of that, that's 105. Or if oil stays below 100. So they're getting less money. Our analysis shows. Our analysis shows that the maximum extra amount that Russia could get would be $2 billion. Which is. Which is one days of the Russian Federation's budget. But. Understood. But they wouldn't have gotten any of that with. Christ, I don't know. Whoever.

John C. Dvorak (46:39)

Would they have gotten any of that in place?

Adam Curry (46:41)

Whoever does your research, you should get rid of because they would. They were getting it. It was going into China. China was buying over 90% of the Russian oil.

John C. Dvorak (46:51)

Oil.

Adam Curry (46:51)

And it was. What's the point of sanctions if not to punish Russia? If not to punish countries. Again, the. If we have no ability to do that to China. If, If China wants to be a bad actor, but we were substantially able to degrade their exports, their exports have dropped about 25% when the rest of the world isn't buying it. So exports are down. But there was a lifeline into China. Now we've opened up that to everyone else. Okay, just to be clear though you did defend imposing those sanctions in the first place. Let me ask, just to be clear. It is a maximum of $2 billion. So let's have good framing on this, okay?

John C. Dvorak (47:34)

Framing.

Adam Curry (47:35)

Framing. I don't think framing. Framing is. Framing is framing.

John C. Dvorak (47:39)

We want good framing.

Adam Curry (47:41)

So we got our. Our source on the ground, boots on the ground, who's been talking to us.

John C. Dvorak (47:46)

Oh, that poor guy.

Adam Curry (47:47)

Yeah, and I have a feeling he's in Bahrain. I'm not sure, but he's in that region and he sent us.

John C. Dvorak (47:53)

I know he's in the region. Yeah, he's not happy.

Adam Curry (47:55)

No, I'll. I'll. I'll share his note. Three weeks under expected barrage of unexpected barrage of missiles and drones. It's quite bizarre to imagine our quiet and beautiful place with sounds of sirens every hour and the gut wrenching feeling feeling that the worst is about to happen. The country is a small island, hence my guess, and only one causeway connected to the rest of the world. Let alone severe fresh water vulnerability and huge dependency on desalination as a lot of those places. While everyone is talking about a marginal cost at the pump, we are unaware of what unknowns are awaiting us. As most of our countries depend on imports for medicine, food and every little necessity. The Israelis for some weird reason are playing a bad cop game which is quite dangerous. Blowing up gas, oil fields, desalination plants, power plants, ports and airports reports and claiming it was the US or even the GCC countries, leaving GCC countries to receive the aggressive retaliations every day. See, we're not getting all of that reporting?

John C. Dvorak (48:51)

No.

Adam Curry (48:51)

The GCC countries are trying their best not to engage in a direct confrontation, knowing that the US and Israel can stop anytime they want. There it is, pack up and leave. Which leaves us in a war with a group of people who have absolutely nothing to lose. An isolated country that survived 40 years, 47 years of isolation. I think Trump thought this would be a paper tiger, but it seems to be a bit tougher than a walk in the park. Like Venezuela, more of a cardboard tiger. And he gives us his insights here to finish it up. The Islamic Republic was modeled over a Frankenstein of ideologies. A mix of Zoroastrianism, Twelver's, Shia Islam, revolutionary Communism and Islamic Brotherhood organization covered in a novel and creative mix of eschatology invented to give a level of extreme holiness to the Grand Ayatollah and mixed with fairy tale end of time prophecy. Sounds about right, right? I'm not sure what the end game is, but the overall war is comical in nature with stupid turn based RPG like shot and retaliation events, huge theatrics from all parties and tons of misinformation and disinformation. Amen. For us this is existential and it's really concerning to have the lives and will be well being of my wife and kids hanging in the balance for such foolish adventures. Adam, pray for us. Maybe a mix of prayer to Jesus and Allah can somehow work and he actually prayed for you. So John, remember that for some unknown reason, my prayer to Allah saved you. There you go. So looking at this possible pullout, this 48 hour warning may be the signal. And I didn't know Richard Engel was now working for Sky News. Did you know that?

John C. Dvorak (50:29)

I think he does. I think he works as a stringer for them. I think he's still with NBC or the network. I think it's NBC.

Adam Curry (50:36)

Some kind of shared agreement. Well, here he is with his report. So this war is still going right

John C. Dvorak (50:42)

now just getting an alert and now

Adam Curry (50:44)

President Trump is talking about escalating it even further.

John C. Dvorak (50:47)

What he specifically said is that if

Adam Curry (50:50)

Iran doesn't fully open the Straits of Hormuz, not partially open it, not just

John C. Dvorak (50:56)

to its allies, not just to its

Adam Curry (50:58)

regular customers like China, then the United States will respond, according to President Trump,

John C. Dvorak (51:03)

starting from 11:45pm GM MT tomorrow by obliterating power plants in Iran, starting with the biggest one.

Adam Curry (51:14)

The Iranians immediately responded saying if our infrastructure is attacked, we will attack infrastructure, and reiterated a threat. This was from a colonel in the

John C. Dvorak (51:24)

Iranian Revolutionary Guard and specifically talked about

Adam Curry (51:28)

desalinization and talked targeting D.C. desalination, excuse

John C. Dvorak (51:34)

me, facilities in the Gulf. Now the Gulf states are very dependent on desalination.

Adam Curry (51:40)

Just look at Qatar. Qatar gets 99% of its drinking water

John C. Dvorak (51:44)

by extracting it from the sea and taking the salt out of it.

Adam Curry (51:48)

Bahrain, more than 90% of its drinking

John C. Dvorak (51:50)

water comes from desalination plants.

Adam Curry (51:52)

So they're now talking about hitting each other where it hurts. In the same way that Vladimir Putin

John C. Dvorak (51:58)

targeted the power group it in Ukraine because Ukraine is cold and freezing and

Adam Curry (52:02)

he would do these attacks in the winter to make the people suffer.

John C. Dvorak (52:05)

President Trump is now threatening to squeeze

Adam Curry (52:08)

the people of Iran and the government by cutting off the power, as Dominic was just saying.

John C. Dvorak (52:12)

And the Iranians saying, well we can

Adam Curry (52:16)

make the deserts dry and cut off the drinking water. Well There it is, 48 hours, clock is ticking.

John C. Dvorak (52:24)

Well he's not going to do that.

Adam Curry (52:25)

I don't think so. Well he won't, he won't.

John C. Dvorak (52:28)

I don't think anybody will. And I know this is going to be interesting, but he has to do something. It's going to have to be drastic and it's going to have to be soon. This drags on too long. He's got to, you know, if you look at the timing of the whole thing, he's got to be out of this thing so he could take a victory lap, you know, mission accomplished style bs, you know, victory lap up so he can change the focus of the country to the. Because we're still dealing with the primaries coming up and the focus of the country by July 4th has to be on the 250th anniversary of the country.

Adam Curry (53:06)

Yes. Now we have to have victory.

John C. Dvorak (53:08)

That's gotta be victory, gotta have it by then and you gotta wind this down. But you, I think getting out, saying that Noah's gonna help us and okay,

Adam Curry (53:19)

well then we did what we should have done then what was the point?

John C. Dvorak (53:24)

It was a mistake. This is just the exit. This is just a cover up.

Adam Curry (53:31)

So positioning everything in the region. It was a mistake. So why. I don't understand. What was the intended goal?

John C. Dvorak (53:40)

Well, the intended goal was to end for once and for all all the nuclear capabilities so they won't have a bomb. I mean Trump said that in the clip we played earlier and they've done that. So that's been accomplished. What more do we need to be doing there?

Adam Curry (53:59)

Well I thought this was more about China and making them pay retail instead of wholesale and getting all the bad elements out.

John C. Dvorak (54:09)

Well, you know, you can't win them all this is the one thing that we don't seem to realize. You can't win them all.

Adam Curry (54:19)

Right. But this gives a lot of credence to the people who are running around saying that Bibi Netanyahu told Trump to do this.

John C. Dvorak (54:28)

Well, they can do that all day. That's not going to end. No matter.

Adam Curry (54:33)

Well, it's not about Trump. It's about the Republican Party. It's about splitting the base and getting people to definitely not vote for Republicans who are all in on Israel and all in on Trump.

John C. Dvorak (54:46)

Trump.

Adam Curry (54:47)

And I think it's having success.

John C. Dvorak (54:50)

Yeah, it is. That's why Trump's got to take action here and reverse course and he'll take a beating for it for a while. But by the time July 4th rolls around and you get to celebrate the country.

Adam Curry (55:03)

No, no, he's. He. No, he has to do something about Israel that's irreparable.

John C. Dvorak (55:08)

Well, he has to, but it's going to have to be something. They're. The way they're going is. That's got to be the easy part.

Adam Curry (55:16)

I don't think so. I really don't. I mean, I've been following this for months now, and it's. No, I don't. Half of our audience has left because we don't agree that Israel controls America and Trump.

John C. Dvorak (55:32)

Yeah, I know. Well, they're, they're very foolish.

Adam Curry (55:36)

So Tucker is the. He's at, he's. He is the nucleus of this. It's abundantly clear. He is the guy that has everybody on who is against Israel. He is agreeing. You know, he's got your, your favorite guy there. What's his name? Nick Fuentes, who is, who is now. He's now proclaiming. We are.

John C. Dvorak (56:03)

He went back on Tucker show after.

Adam Curry (56:05)

No, no, no, no, no, no. But, but Fuentes is, you know, he's trending again and he's like, we're under occupation. The United States is occupied by a foreign nation.

John C. Dvorak (56:16)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (56:16)

And you've got Candace and you've got, you know, Megyn Kelly and Megyn Kelly's fighting with the Great One, with Mark Levin, the Great One and Mark Levin and the whole thing is one big mess. And, you know, and you and I, we've talked about Tucker being a member of the Pilgrim Society. We've joked about it being a member of the Pilgrim Society.

John C. Dvorak (56:39)

Well, it's not a joke. He is.

Adam Curry (56:41)

Well, there's no evidence of that, but it, I mean, seems that way. You want to just explain the Pilgrim Society so people know what that is? It's been around For a hundred years.

John C. Dvorak (56:50)

It's one of those secret societies of old timers that, you know, I don't know what they do. It's just one of these things is the Pilgrim Society.

Adam Curry (57:01)

Yeah, but they're pro uk, pro Britain.

John C. Dvorak (57:04)

Yeah, they're, they're, they're basically monarchists.

Adam Curry (57:07)

Yeah. And I'm always looking to see. How can I, I mean, besides the fact that Tucker always, instead of, he always says rather, I'd rather do this rather than that, I'm always looking. Where's his Anglophile roots? You actually want to look at his parents to get a little more insight to that. In particular his mom's family before his dad divorced her, you know, they were big, big commodity people in Britain. But I got this interview where here's Tucker, just a podcaster, talks about what he does in the wintertime. Some of us go to Martha's Vineyard, some of us do certain things. He is definitely more elitist than he lets on. What does your gut tell you right now about the Gulf era of countries? Because as you know, there is some dispute between Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, the uae. What does your gut tell you about, about this? I've been having this conversation. I, I, in the wintertime, usually travel around or always travel around and yeah. See friends have dinner and stuff and. John, in the winter time, do you travel around and see friends and have dinner and stuff or do you, do you do other things?

John C. Dvorak (58:21)

My buddies, we all, we have a whole group of us, we, we jump in a, in a rock and roll bus.

Adam Curry (58:29)

I mean, what do I really think? I mean, there's of course a dispute going on. Let me ask you this. If someone asks you to identify yourself, and I'm not talking about your gender or sexuality, what would you say you are? What, what country are you from? Who are you?

John C. Dvorak (58:43)

I'm American.

Adam Curry (58:44)

You're an American. Okay. Thank you. I'm an American. That's what I would say. What are you? I'm an American of some kind.

John C. Dvorak (58:49)

I do not get involved in intra Arab disputes.

Adam Curry (58:52)

I don't speak Arabic, I don't understand it. I like everybody, buddy. I've been in all three of those countries in the last 10 days. I like them all. I'm, I would never get involved. But big picture, as an outsider, as

John C. Dvorak (59:04)

an Anglo, as an American English speaker.

Adam Curry (59:06)

I'm sorry, as an Anglo.

John C. Dvorak (59:08)

I've never said that in my life.

Adam Curry (59:10)

Of course not. Who says that? Pilgrims.

John C. Dvorak (59:13)

I'm an Anglo.

Adam Curry (59:14)

Pilgrims say that.

John C. Dvorak (59:16)

I mean, a few of the Chicanos around here might call me that person, I'm an Anglo.

Adam Curry (59:21)

And he. And he quickly corrects an American. American, I like them all. I would never get involved. But big picture, as an outsider, as

John C. Dvorak (59:28)

an Anglo, as an American, English speaker. English speaker, I see things in terms of power balance.

Adam Curry (59:35)

So when he pops up, so, you know, we got Joe Kent and Joe Kent resigns and he immediately goes on Tucker show. He's on every single show, I might add. Have you followed what this Joe Kent guy is doing? 1.

John C. Dvorak (59:51)

Yeah, it's like he was like somebody gave him the call and activated the cell.

Adam Curry (59:58)

Yes. Listen to him on Scott Horton show. Mr. Anti War now, do you think that plan A was to parachute the monarch Reza Pahlavi, this the grandson in there, or.

John C. Dvorak (60:08)

It was really.

Adam Curry (60:08)

The Israeli goal was just convince Trump to get it started and the plan is destroy Persia. The Israelis were big fans of throwing everything at the wall to see what would start stick. So I think at some point in time, they probably briefed like the, the Monarch Son or the Mek or the Kurds, et cetera, et cetera. But really, at the end of the day, the Israeli goal was to get in there and hammer the regime, kill the supreme leader. And killing the supreme leader, I think, was twofold. I mean, basically it killed the guy that was restrained, the nuclear program. And so now there's a more compelling case to make that, hey, look, if they have anything that even resembles any kind of enrichment or any nuclear components, it. They're going to make a bomb because actually, probably now they will because we killed the one restrainer. Actually, we killed several of the restrainers. I say we, I mean, I mean, between us and the Israelis, we will all be blamed for it. But really, the, the entire Israeli goal was just to launch this, to topple the regime at any cost because they know the time is short. They know that they're losing a lot of support on both sides of the aisle in America. And so for them, timing was of the essence. And they basically work out the details later, get us, get us deeply entrenched in this thing as fast as they can. And after that, they basically met their main strategic objective. Everything else is just a matter of getting us to stay committed to the fight. Yeah, so, yes, he's been activated. He's on every single podcast, including Megyn Kelly, where he's alluding to Charlie Kirk being murdered by Israel. Didn't, didn't bring that today, but here he is on Sagar. I agree. Well, considering that our colleagues over at Dropside News, they commissioned a poll, a lot of Americans believe that the war in Iran was to distract from the Epstein files. Do you think there's any credence to that idea? That's an interesting theory, and I actually. But I would say I would disagree, just in the sense that the drumbeat for the war with Iran has been going on, I think, longer than most people knew who Epstein was. But I think it was probably a welcome distraction, considering how much it was in the news. Because, again, if you want people to rally around the flag, start a new war, that's kind of like politics 101, tragically. So I think that factor. But I don't think it was specifically for Epstein. Had the Epstein files never existed, there'd still be, unfortunately, a neoconservative Israeli lobby for a war with Iran. Yeah. So it's all. It's all Israel, Trump. This is the thing that is interesting. These people really think Trump is an idiot. He may not always be the best, he may always be right. But I don't think you can accuse him of being an idiot. And they literally are saying he's an idiot. Bibi Netanyahu told him to do this. Everything he stood for his entire life, he's going to put on the line just for Israel, because. I don't know, because.

John C. Dvorak (62:49)

Why?

Adam Curry (62:50)

Because he's. Well, the. The shortcut is always, there's something in the Epstein files. There's something going on. He listened to this. Sticking, I think, a little bit with the Epstein question. That's another one. And look, I'm not saying I believe this, but I have seen a lot of people who do. They think, you know, you talked there about Trump potentially being influenced by a threat to his safety. Another theory is about Epstein. His conduct around Epstein has been bizarre, if we're being honest. I can say that you don't have to say it. Do you think there's credence to that? I think if Trump was in the Epstein files, they would have used it to take him out long before he even got the nomination back in 2016. I just think that's. Even if you don't like Trump, I think that's just kind of obvious. But again, we go back to. We go back to. This is a. This appears to be a very powerful network. And so for people who've been anywhere near it, are they intimidated by it? That. That's a potential. Yeah. And sticking with that, you know, given your assessment, you've naive or worked at the highest levels of the United States intelligence community. You said you do think Epstein is an intelligence asset. Not Specifically for any one country. So given your experience within that, I, I would just want to be very, very clear. It would not be out of the question to have powerful networks like this which are linked to United States intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Russian intelligence. Yes or no? Of course. Yeah, of course. I mean, I think most Western governments would use several layers of cutouts, and all the people who could be called to testify probably actually wouldn'. Anything, and it wouldn't. And there'd be very limited files about it. It's just my professional opinion. So intelligence is so strong, particularly US And Israeli intelligence, that Trump is afraid for his life and he's just doing whatever he's told. That is the consistent message, but it leans more towards the real.

John C. Dvorak (64:32)

He just doesn't seem that way.

Adam Curry (64:34)

No. Now, so Tucker, being the Anglo that he is, the big interview that he does is with the Economist. With the lady from the Economist.

John C. Dvorak (64:45)

Oh, yeah, that woman.

Adam Curry (64:46)

You can't be more British Crown city of London, North Sea Nexus than going on. She rarely does interviews. Do you ever see her doing interviews with anybody?

John C. Dvorak (64:58)

Yeah, she does the important ones.

Adam Curry (65:00)

The important ones. Okay, so I pulled a few clips from her.

John C. Dvorak (65:03)

Mados, I think, is her name.

Adam Curry (65:05)

Yeah, whatever her name is. I pulled a few clips from it, but before, just to give you a contrast. And people can change. They can change their opinion. I've changed my opinion throughout the course of the show many times. This is Tucker from 1996, when he was still at the. Was it the. The Weekly Standard, I think. And he. He was still wearing bow ties. This is him talking 96.

John C. Dvorak (65:29)

He may have been at MSNBC.

Adam Curry (65:32)

No, could have been, but this was on C Span and he was answering a viewer question about Pat Buchanan being anti Semitic. Well, I mean, you know, it's perf. Perfectly valid to question America's relationship with Israel. Israel has a lobby. It's perfectly fair, as far as I'm concerned, to beat up on Israel's lobby. But I don't think that's the reason that Buchanan is being labeled an anti Semite. It's this kind of, as I've said, this relentless. This relentless bringing up topics related to Judaism. I mean, famously, Pat, you know, always beats up on Goldman Sachs, but never Morgan Stanley. I mean, I mean, it's really hard

John C. Dvorak (66:09)

tothere is no point at which Pat

Adam Curry (66:11)

Buchanan has held a press conference and said, you know, I really don't like the Jews. I think they're a sinister force in America.

John C. Dvorak (66:16)

But I think.

Adam Curry (66:17)

And it took me years to come to this position. I mean, I'm not throwing the term anti Semite around, but you reach a point when you say, well, gee, you know, here's a guy who has gone out of his way to defend Myanjuk and other accused Nazi war criminals, who's constantly attacked Israel, who's attacked American Jews for supporting Israel unduly, who's implied that

John C. Dvorak (66:44)

American Jews push America into wars in

Adam Curry (66:47)

which non Jews die. There really is. And again, I'm not hysterical on the subject, but I do believe, I do believe, I do believe, with Pat Buchanan of needling the Jews. Is that anti Semitic? Yeah, I mean, after a while you conclude it is in some sense anti Semitic. I mean, Pat Buchanan obviously has a lot of personal and affectionate relationships with people who are Jewish. So on a personal level, perhaps he's not, but on a different, maybe thematic level, I think he probably is anyway. So I just thought it was fun to listen to Tucker in a different setting, different network, different frame of. Different framing. Perhaps. Perhaps framing. Yeah. So he goes on with the Economist, and this is an important interview. It's the big interview because she does all the big ones. And here we go in your copious podcasting about this in the last two weeks. Hey, hey, hey. We are the copious podcasters. Okay, lady? You have made the argument very strongly that the United States has been pushed into something not in its own national interest by pressure from. Well, it has. And the lobbying power of Israel. Well, it has been. The question is whether the person who makes the ultimate decision, who would be President Trump, should have pushed back. That's it. Of course. Of course Trump should have pushed back, as previous presidents have done to some extent, some very limited extent. George W. Bush didn't push back. We went up in the Iraq war and now everyone pretends, oh, that had nothing to do with Israel. What are you doing?

John C. Dvorak (68:19)

I, you know, I'm, I'm trying to do something in the back. I'm trying to find something. And unfortunately.

Adam Curry (68:26)

Why don't you just listen to my clips?

John C. Dvorak (68:28)

I'll listen to the clip and I'm. But I have to. Don't yell at me for being muted.

Adam Curry (68:32)

Well, do you want me to wait for a second?

John C. Dvorak (68:34)

No, no, no. This really, it's got nothing to do. Just play the clip.

Adam Curry (68:38)

I can hear it to some extent, some very limited extent. George W. Bush didn't push back. We went up the Iraq war and now everyone pretends, oh, that was. Had nothing to do with Israel. I was there. I was talking to Bush. See this, this right there. He keeps saying this. I, I Disagree with that. The Iraq war wasn't at if, from what I can recall, is Israel was saying, no, no, don't do it. Do you recall that?

John C. Dvorak (69:03)

I don't remember them saying, don't do it. But it had nothing to do with Israel. Well, Israel didn't have a beef with Iraq. Iraq.

Adam Curry (69:11)

Well, Tucker is saying that he was there. He was there.

John C. Dvorak (69:14)

Yeah. He's always there, isn't he?

Adam Curry (69:16)

He was there. I found this annoying to some extent, some very limited extent. George W. Bush didn't push back. We wound up in the Iraq war, and now everyone pretends, oh, that had nothing to do with Israel. I was there. I was talking to Bush. That's not true. That's a lie. And that's why it's so important. From my perspective. It's a lie. It's annoying to say out loud what is true before history is rewritten and disappeared.

John C. Dvorak (69:41)

He's starting to remind of Bannon, kind of on the outs, but trying to make it like, oh, yeah, no, I'm there. I'm at the meetings. Even though he is actually a little closer in than Bannon.

Adam Curry (69:52)

Yeah, but it's like the Iraq war was a lie, but to say that it was at Israel's behest and that he was there with George W. Bush and that's what it was about, and then say if anything else is a lie, that's, that's, that's. That doesn't seem right to me. It just seems like, no, that's not the truth. To say out loud what is true before history is rewritten and dis. And it's lying. And it gets us here because we say, oh, no, no, no. Lobbying efforts had no effect. Really. We say that about our pharmaceutical policy. No. Everybody understands that every policy a large government makes, including ours, is influenced by various stakeholders who are affected by the policy. But this is the one area we have to be like, no, it had nothing to do with the fact that his biggest donors were pushing him to do this. Or the Bibi visited seven times in one year. Are you joking? I'm not going to play along with the lies anymore. I don't hate Jews. I don't hate Israel. I love my country. This has happened yet again. I can give you a whole list of previous times where it's happened. And I think we need to know what happened so we. We don't hurt ourselves further. So he is saying that Bibi Netanyahu convinced Trump, the dummy, to go to war against Iran at Israel's behest, and people believe this, John, they believe this. I am not saying don't blame Israel. I think Israel has its own national interests and Israel was certainly pushing for things. But I think there is more agency and therefore more responsibility with the President of the United States. The Trump administration, he represents me. I live here. That's. But that's important because in the way Israel pushed him into this now, he shouldn't have gone along with it. He should have pushed back. But to pretend that Trump woke up one morning is like, I'm not suggesting that, to be clear, Israel pushed him. The Prime Minister, by the way, it's not even just, it's not Israel. There are a lot of people who disagree in Israel. I know some of them. It was the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who pushed our President into doing this. And I hope this is the last time time that Netanyahu or any foreign head of state will ever push an American president to do something that hurts America. Yeah, I mean, it's one thing if you say your donors, the lobby, the Congress had nothing to do with this. AIPAC didn't force this war. So the only logical conclusion Tucker has is Bibi Netanyahu visited Trump seven times, times and said, you're going to do this. And Trump was like, okay, Bibi. And the logical result of this, of this discussion is breaking up Trump's so called MAGA base, America first base, or it has broken into MAGA and America First. Marjorie Taylor Greene is a part. It's an obvious fracture. Let's talk though a little bit more about how this declining support for Israel, which I think is one of the most significant political shifts in the United States in recent years, how is that shaping the MAGA movement? I mean, are you now seeing, when I look at the opinion polls, I'm told that there's 100% support amongst MAGA or 95% support for the war. On the other hand, you're clearly a man with a large number of followers who is making a very, very different argument. I was standing next to Trump at his house when he got elected. I've known him a long time. I talked to him a lot. So wait a minute. So Tucker was staying next to his house when he got elected. He's known him a long time. He knows a lot about him. And so his conclusion is that Trump is stupid and lets Israel push him around Bibi Netanyahu specifically because that sounds what he said.

John C. Dvorak (73:37)

It sounds like what he's saying.

Adam Curry (73:42)

I don't fully understand what MAGA is, but I know that the core promise of the Trump political movement, Make America Great Again was America first, and it was articulated by him repeatedly at every campaign stop for 10 years. So everyone in America knows this. I think everyone globally knows this. The core of this movement was the idea that you would, and we can debate about how you do it, but you would try to put the interest of your country at the center of every calculation, speculation about how you manage your country and how you interact with the world. It's the single most obvious and single most popular political concept ever devised. Okay, so he's saying something important here. If the Curry Dvorak Consulting Group were asked to give the President talking points, which he's famously quite horrible at, what would the talking points be to say striking Iran was in America's interest? Interest?

John C. Dvorak (74:34)

Well, they had a, they were developing in a weapon that would have disrupted the world's economy and hurt America. We've heard they had to be stopped.

Adam Curry (74:45)

We've, I mean, but now it was true all the times we've heard one more week, next week, next month.

John C. Dvorak (74:50)

Yeah, I know. And you had to hear Lindsey Graham on, on the Bill O'Reilly podcast. I don't have a clip.

Adam Curry (74:57)

I saw it, but I couldn't.

John C. Dvorak (75:00)

You know this thing where they, well, you had 60% enriched. You know, it means you get four weeks at any given time.

Adam Curry (75:08)

But how about this? How about this may not be acceptable. It may be too complicated for people to understand, but how about this? We're sick of Wall street and particularly the British banks running shipping, running the insurance, keeping the Middle east in turmoil so that they have extra premium on oil at all times. We're sick of them meddling and everything. I'm trying to get stuff together with the Abraham Accords. I think I can get Israel in line, but we've got to get these morons out with their possible nuclear weapon. And we've got, and we probably have to get other companies running the oil from Iran, which will give the profits to Iran or split it the way we did with Venezuela, would that not be a plausible answer along with, hey, China's been getting wholesale price. They need to pay retail detail. Isn't that America First? Am I wrong about that?

John C. Dvorak (76:05)

I think that's a, That's a perfect analysis.

Adam Curry (76:09)

Well, Tucker in this last clip leaves room to. He could be a double agent. I'm listening. It's like, oh, hold on a second. So Tucker is now, because he's good friends with Trump, was there. Oh, yeah, lives next door, living next door to him. But the President, he has to convince me that this was America First. Listen to this. Do you think Donald Trump has betrayed America First? I think that this war is something that he promised he wouldn't do, not once, but countless times. And until YouTube is banned, we'll be able to prove that. And the idea behind it is not only contrary to America first, it may be its inverse. There's no argument that changing the regime in Iran helps the United States. And if there is an argument, I'd love to hear it. And by the way, if that argument is sensible and convincing, I will support it. All I care about is the United States. But I haven't heard that argument a single time. All I've heard is the kind of tiresome fear mongering about nuclear weapons which Iran did not have. Have. It's, it's insulting actually even to make that argument to me. So that's a huge hole he leaves open there. If someone can convince him that this was in America's interest, which I think I just gave a reasonable argument, then Tucker would switch around and be back on board and support it. Well, that's interesting. You know, you've been in the hospital, I know you've been watching, watching tv. But this is, it's out of control. It really is. People hate Trump now. They hate him.

John C. Dvorak (77:59)

Well, the contingency does.

Adam Curry (78:01)

No, it's big. I have a feeling for these things. It's big. It's big.

John C. Dvorak (78:09)

Well, I don't think it's as big as you might think. While we're talking about this, I got a couple a side clip if you want to hear something kind of funny.

Adam Curry (78:18)

It's about time.

John C. Dvorak (78:21)

Well, before we do that though, here I do have the oil China analysis clip.

Adam Curry (78:25)

Ah, here we go. Our China correspondent, Laura Bicker has this from Beijing. China is not feeling the shock of this war yet, but it is feeling the ripple effects. First of all, let's look at oil. Because China is, is the world's largest importer of crude oil. And some wondered how would Beijing cope? Well, for the last few months since January, it has been stockpiling crude oil and it's thought it has at least three to four months supply. Also, China's insulated from any energy crisis because it's had this push towards renewables and of course, electric vehicles. That should ensure the queues at the petrol pump will not be too long. And of course, when it comes to oil, we have seen analysts suggest that some Chinese flagships are making it through the Strait of Hormuz. How many and for how long is Uncertain where China will be concerned is if this turns into a long protracted war in the Middle East. And that is because China will be worried about the global economy. The country is already trying to, to deal with serious economic challenges domestically. To get itself out of trouble. It needs to export, it needs to sell its goods. If you have a large region like the Middle east which is very well connected right across the global, south to Africa and elsewhere, then perhaps their buying power will be reduced. That is something Beijing will not want to see. America first. Right there. Oops. Oops. Yeah, simmer down, China. I'll see you in five weeks.

John C. Dvorak (80:02)

Yeah, well, hopefully. Well, we'll see. So here's the, here's the kind of the funny clip. Nobody's reporting this except, you know, these, these screwball. Channel 26 is where I got this clip, you know, these, these Indian channels and some of these couple robots are reporting it to me. This has got to be one of the typical crazy stories that come about because of the sanctions and this and that and rogue ship ships and shipping companies that aren't, you know, really owned by anybody. And it's nuts out there. So there's this screwball story going around which I thought was quite funny. It should have been. I would run it if I was a news editor. Dead ship unreported story. This should have been reported in mainstream media. Channel 26.

Adam Curry (80:45)

There is a Russian ship that suffered damages that we are seeing here.

John C. Dvorak (80:50)

And it's caused leaders of five countries

Adam Curry (80:52)

of the European Union surrounded by the Mediterranean, by the Mediterranean Sea to warn of a serious and imminent risk of an ecological disaster in the sea in the Mediterranean due to this Russian LNG liquefied natural. Liquefied natural gas transport ship. Russian ship that has suffered an unidentified incident with explosions and a fire. In other words, they do not know for sure if this has to do with the war or not. But let's say this ship suffered an incident and, and that would generate a serious and imminent risk of an ecological disaster in the Mediterranean. The ship is a Russian gas tanker called Arctic Metagas damaged, damaged by a series of explosions. It has been adrift for 15 days. Moscow claims that the ship was attacked by Ukrainian underwater water drones. In other words, it would not be related to in Iran but to the war between Russia and Ukraine. At the same time, Kiev didn't come in on the incident, which means he didn't claim responsibility. The precarious condition of this ship combined with the nature of its specialized cargo creates an imminent and serious risk of a major ecological disaster. In the heart of the European Union's maritime space. This was pointed up by the prime ministers of Spain, Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Malta in a letter they addressed to the European Commission. You know who had this story? Mimi had this story, actually.

John C. Dvorak (82:10)

Yeah, she. She had this story, but she. There's a. Another version of it. I cut right to the end. I didn't want to play the whole thing. That's got a kind of a kicker everybody seems to have missed.

Adam Curry (82:20)

Okay, here we go. The EU said the vessel was part of Russia's shadow fleet used to circumvent sanctions imposed after Russia's 2022 full scale invasion of Ukraine. Russia's Foreign Ministry has acknowledged that the vessel was adrift in the Mediterranean and said Moscow's involvement in. In resolving the situation depended on concrete circumstances. Russia's Transport Ministry earlier this month said the Arctic Madagas carrying LNG from the Arctic port of Murmansk was attacked by Ukrainian naval drones and said the weapons had been launched by Libyan coast guard. Was this from a video game, a TV series or a movie?

John C. Dvorak (82:59)

I have no, this is a dumb clip. It sounds terrible, but it's the little gotcha at the end that just like. What are they talking about?

Adam Curry (83:08)

What was the very end? Let me listen. Gas carrying LNG from the Arctic port of Murmansk was attacked by Ukrainian naval drones and said the weapons had been launched by Libyan coast Guard. Libyan coast guard.

John C. Dvorak (83:21)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (83:23)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (83:24)

What?

Adam Curry (83:27)

Yeah, yeah.

John C. Dvorak (83:28)

I don't know what people about.

Adam Curry (83:31)

I think people don't want to talk. The Europeans don't really want to talk about, about it because they have a different message. This is Queen Ursula doubling down, doubling down. Now that we have this oil shortage and gas shortage and Europe is, you know, they are telling people to drive slower, drive slower, drive slower to work. Everybody conserve. Don't use your stove. If you have gas, why do you have gas? Don't use it. Drive slower. Try to take the train, try to take the bus. This is crazy. Here's her doubling down so we have our clear targets and we're sticking to our targets. Very important was the discussion and you just reiterated it, how important it is that we do the transformation in the energy sector to the clean homegrown energy sources. This is for us extremely important. Therefore all the incentives we have set with the emission trading system. I think today in the European Council it was impressive to see there was a clear majority clearly asking for the substance of the emission trading system. Also you mentioned a few factors like being homegrown or preventing the volatility of prices but also because the investment of the business case is needs stability and predictability. So we are on track on the mid and the long term and our goals are very clear. So if you caught it there in the middle she's talking about our emissions trading scheme is now in place. So they're doing the carbon credits thing. They're moving.

John C. Dvorak (85:12)

Oh brother.

Adam Curry (85:13)

Full steam ahead. Yeah. So you can trade in your emissions. There's going to be a market for it. Your carbon credits, they are, they are taking over Europe with this. Taking over. It's bad. And meanwhile, speaking of carbon credits, what is missing from this report? Hawaii is facing its worst flooding in over 20 years as a second powerful storm batters the islands. Rising waters have flooded homes and officials are closely monitoring a dam at risk of failure. The Hawaii National Guard has been activated and the governor there is urgent urging residents to evacuate immediately. So far More than 230 people have been rescued and 5,500 have been forced from their homes.

John C. Dvorak (85:57)

The dam, which has been safe was getting close to 85ft. That's why we sounded the alarms and made sure people could get over out of harm's way.

Adam Curry (86:06)

Governor Josh Green said the cost of this storm could top $1 billion including damage to airports, schools, roads, people's homes and a Maui hospital. I looked at through whatever clips were available of this. There's not a lot of people are talking about it.

John C. Dvorak (86:22)

Nowhere does any out here they are.

Adam Curry (86:24)

Well, not, I mean have any, have you found any clips where they say due to climate change.

John C. Dvorak (86:30)

No. Or Jews?

Adam Curry (86:39)

All right. Well, Robert. Well, we had a couple of deaths. We have our immemorium segment for today. Sad news as Chuck Norris passed away at 86. An energetic Chuck Norris in what would be his last social media post celebrating his 86th birthday.

John C. Dvorak (86:57)

I don't age, I level up.

Adam Curry (87:00)

His family announcing his death and asking for privacy at this difficult time. The actor and martial arts star was born March 10, 1940 in Oklahoma. He joined the Air Force after high school and was sent to Korea. It was during this deployment that he would begin his martial arts training which would later define his Hollywood career. Norris was a six time undefeated middleweight karate champion. He credits Steve McQueen with encouraging him to try acting. He crossed paths with another martial arts legend, Bruce Lee. They faced off against each other in the 1972 film the Way of the Dragon. He acted in more than 20 movies including Missing in Action and the Delta Force. And while they may not have been critically acclaimed, they made box office gold and garnered him millions of fans with his reputation as a tough guy firmly established, he stepped into what would become his most iconic role, famed Lawman Cordell Walker, TV's Walker, Texas Ranger. The show was so popular it ran for nine seasons and he was made an honorary Texas Ranger. Norris later found renewed fame as an Internet meme where fans reveled in his toughness, sharing takes such as Chuck Norris once ate an entire bottle of sleeping pills. They made him blink. Yeah. Oh, man. Did you ever meet him?

John C. Dvorak (88:31)

No. Did you?

Adam Curry (88:31)

No. I was gonna ask if Mimi had dated him because, you know, she has a lot of stories.

John C. Dvorak (88:36)

She got era.

Adam Curry (88:38)

She's got a. She got stories, man. She got stories.

John C. Dvorak (88:41)

So I want to get two clips out of the way.

Adam Curry (88:44)

Okay.

John C. Dvorak (88:46)

That, because I thought you short, kind of short sheeted the idea on your last show with Mimi. About what I thought I was pushing this in the background, by the way, was the Cesar Chavez bs. I've never seen anything thinks any group of people panic so much over Caesar Chavez. And I want to play two clips. This is, for example, set it up and explain what. Yeah, Caesar Chavez has been who's been dead for years. Some woman who was his sidekick for the whole time he was running the farm workers out of the blue and after every. After him and his brother are both dead decided to slam him for some reason, like he, like she was called out by, I don't know, given a phone call. I don't know what the deal, what's behind all this to say that he was a rapist. Just a terrible person. And basically overnight, half the schools in California are named Cesar Chavez. Streets everywhere named Cesar Chavez. And this is all, it's all being covered up to part parks, the dog walking park, everything.

Adam Curry (89:56)

You know, it's a full on cancellation.

John C. Dvorak (89:59)

It's a full on cancellation so far after the fact. It's ridiculous. But you have to listen to a couple of these, these guys, American Cholo is one of them, who has a kind of an outline of some of the stuff going on. This is Chavez with about Huerta, the woman who made the accusations.

Adam Curry (90:18)

Dolores Huerta, all said and done, had 11 children. Okay, doesn't make her a bad woman.

John C. Dvorak (90:25)

But let's just, let's put context into this.

Adam Curry (90:28)

She had two, which nobody knew about until just recently from Cesar Chavez.

John C. Dvorak (90:34)

She also had two from a prior relationship.

Adam Curry (90:36)

Ralph. She had two children from him, which

John C. Dvorak (90:39)

I believe was one of her longest relationships.

Adam Curry (90:41)

She had one with what's name, Ventura was another one. She had five children from this man.

John C. Dvorak (90:47)

Right. And the other one that she had

Adam Curry (90:51)

kids from was Cesar Chavez's brother.

John C. Dvorak (90:54)

She got with Caesar Chavez's brother and

Adam Curry (90:56)

had four children from him. I don't know if this is a pattern, but it's definitely not somebody who

John C. Dvorak (91:03)

you would think is, you know, living

Adam Curry (91:05)

the high and moral life. And for her to have four children

John C. Dvorak (91:10)

with the brother of the man she

Adam Curry (91:12)

is now accusing of raping and having

John C. Dvorak (91:14)

her relationship with the brother and with Cedar Chavez for all those years, for

Adam Curry (91:20)

decades, it makes me think.

John C. Dvorak (91:23)

It just makes me think, I'm sorry.

Adam Curry (91:25)

I know it's easy.

John C. Dvorak (91:25)

Just sit there and bash the man

Adam Curry (91:27)

and just say, yeah, it's true. I bet there's people bash him. And the reason they're bashing him is because he was anti immigration. He was calling, you know, Mexicans wetbacks or any other Latinos wetbacks. Different time. You can't sit there and put your

John C. Dvorak (91:40)

morals and values of today's.

Adam Curry (91:41)

Of today's world, world to yesterday's life. So to me, I'm making this video

John C. Dvorak (91:48)

so that we can discuss this, have

Adam Curry (91:50)

the conversation about this. Let's sit here and have a real conversation in the comment section without just spewing hate, without disputing allegations, facts. Bro. There has to be something that somebody got wind of that is that. Or maybe a documentary or something is coming. Coming. That is a detriment to the Democrat Party and their entire stance on illegal immigrant workers. It has to.

John C. Dvorak (92:21)

I think so, too. I think they're clearing the Runway.

Adam Curry (92:24)

But why Austin is doing it, too. We have Cesar Chavez Avenue. I think it's kind of the main drag by the river in Austin. They already have. City council has already approved a measure. It has to go through a couple of steps. They want to change that as well. There must be something that somebody got wind of that's brewing that is so bad that this has to happen. I agree, but what?

John C. Dvorak (92:52)

Well, we're going to find out eventually. But the way they've done this in such a panicky fashion from one woman out of the blue, you know, decades later, it's just. It's a masterpiece in. In orchestrated cancellation. This is not. Not just casual.

Adam Curry (93:11)

No.

John C. Dvorak (93:14)

I have another clip of her. This is Huerta herself. She's. She's leading. This is like in 2008, long after her rape, she's still with Chavez and she is leading a. A march, the Farmers Farm Workers march. You can hear it. Just to show you that she was still involved with him.

Adam Curry (93:41)

Today we're going to be marching, remembering. With every step that we take, we're

John C. Dvorak (93:53)

going to be dedicating.

Adam Curry (93:54)

Ourselves to continue. Set up. Yeah. You want to tell me what she said? Cuz I couldn't

John C. Dvorak (94:06)

See, this is, you know, after, after he's gone, she's still supporting him. I mean this is, this whole thing is so phony and, and it, and it got eat. Just eaten up by the media. I mean, I've never seen anything happen so fast. No hearings, no discussion. One woman. You know, I'd have to do the look at the calculation of the date. Years after his death and just after his brother's death. Death. So they have no dead man, can't talk, does this and it gets picked up on.

Adam Curry (94:48)

Well, so this whole thing. Let me see. The New York Times published a multi year investigative report on the 18th and this is what's kicked it off.

John C. Dvorak (95:03)

Off.

Adam Curry (95:05)

And their report details decades. Decades. Oh, here we go. Decades of grooming and sexual assault of minors. And that's like with an O. And women within the ufw. Maybe there's something in the deep in the annals, so to speak, of the ufw, which is the workers, the farm workers, union workers. Yeah, maybe there's. It's got to be a. It's got to be like a Netflix thing or. No Amazon.

John C. Dvorak (95:38)

Or maybe there's a movie.

Adam Curry (95:39)

Yeah, movie or Amazon or a document. It would have to be Amazon, not Netflix. Something has got to come out. Something has got to be brewing that they're freaked out about. There's no other reason for this clearly coordinated op. That's why when Mimi brought it up, I'm like, I mean, I'm sure it's bigger in California. It's probably about something in California because we're not hearing about it. I had to look it up to see if Austin was a part of it. Of course they are. Maybe there's an Epstein connection.

John C. Dvorak (96:11)

Yeah, that's what it is.

Adam Curry (96:17)

So Robert Mueller died.

John C. Dvorak (96:20)

Yeah. And then Trump did, as usual. Good. I'm glad he's dead. Of course, he gets condemned for being basically rude.

Adam Curry (96:28)

A douche.

John C. Dvorak (96:30)

A douche.

Adam Curry (96:32)

Well, it's very convenient that Mahler's dead. It's the right time to go, you know, this with. I think Tulsi Gabbard is still looking at things. I don't know. She may be ready to bail. There's lots of rumors. Tulsi Gabbard is ready to bail. She's ready to bail. Ready to bail. She's getting out. She's ready to go.

John C. Dvorak (96:53)

Go. I will see.

Adam Curry (96:55)

But I think the funniest move by Trump is this one watches Fox News alert President Trump just posting this on Truth Social, quote. If the radical left Democrats don't immediately sign an agreement to let our country, in particular our airports, be free and safe again, I will move our brilliant and patriotic ICE agents to the airports where they will do security like no one has ever seen before. Including the event, immediate arrest of all illegal immigrants who have come into our country, with heavy emphasis on those from Somalia who have totally destroyed, with the approval of a corrupt governor, Attorney General and Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, the once great state of Minnesota. I look forward to seeing ICE in action at our airports. Make America great again. And that comes, as we know, ICE is fully funded for a few years. So he does have the power to do that. This. And I guess the question remains, does Chuck Schumer continue this and President Trump make good on that promise he just put out on True Social. Well, that's going to be interesting.

John C. Dvorak (97:55)

Yeah. I thought that was a good move.

Adam Curry (97:57)

I don't know if it's going to speed up the lines any. I doubt it.

John C. Dvorak (98:02)

No. To slow him down, probably.

Adam Curry (98:03)

Yeah. Like papers. Papers. Everybody show your papers. The happiest countries in the world is out the in again.

John C. Dvorak (98:14)

Is Denmark one?

Adam Curry (98:15)

No, no, Denmark is down there at number three.

John C. Dvorak (98:19)

Holy mackerel.

Adam Curry (98:21)

Yeah. They're also one of the most medicated. No, number one is. Well, at this kind of makes sense that people are happy there because they've got. Wait a minute. Finland is number one. Finland. Why is Finland so happy?

John C. Dvorak (98:43)

I don't know. I've never seen a Finn laugh.

Adam Curry (98:48)

Iceland is number two, edging past Denmark.

John C. Dvorak (98:52)

Wow.

Adam Curry (98:53)

Now, in the report from the BBC, they show this is probably a little slanted. You see Iceland, they're looking at like some downtown. They've got a rainbow street. Street. Okay, so maybe it's because they're all gay. Maybe they're confusing happy with.

John C. Dvorak (99:11)

Gay means happy.

Adam Curry (99:12)

Yes. So it's Finland number one, Iceland number two. Denmark number three, Costa Rica number four, Sweden at number five. Are you kidding me? People in Sweden are mad. Then you've got Norway at 6 and the Netherlands at 7. The Dutch have never been happy about anything. They're just not a happy people.

John C. Dvorak (99:32)

So this is just a bogus poll?

Adam Curry (99:34)

Yeah. Who does this poll? Let me see.

John C. Dvorak (99:39)

Wallet Hub.

Adam Curry (99:44)

They don't actually explain it. Thanks, BBC. I don't explain how they do this. Who does this? Who does this poll? They make a big deal about it in the news and it always comes, oh, it's Gallup. It's. Oh, got Gallup. The Oxford well Being Research Center. And the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network.

John C. Dvorak (100:04)

Well, it's green too.

Adam Curry (100:07)

There you go. Because they're green and they're happy with their immigrants. Okay, that makes total sense since we're going to smash everything together into one segment and I want you to kind of ease into everything. There's anything I want to do a couple of tech things. But is there anything else you want to play from your list?

John C. Dvorak (100:26)

Well, since you talked about Denmark, I might as well play my asylum commentary from a Denmark person discussing the Palestinians that moved there. So Denmark did a little scientific study

Adam Curry (100:38)

with the 321 Palestinian asylum seekers they've let into their country.

John C. Dvorak (100:42)

What they did was they basically just kept track of them and their children over the last 30 years.

Adam Curry (100:48)

And out of those 321 original refugees. Refugees. 204 of them have been convicted of a crime. That's 64%. 71 of them have been sent to jail. That's about one out of every four. 176 of them are on government welfare.

John C. Dvorak (101:05)

That's more than 50% of them.

Adam Curry (101:07)

Now, the fun part is when we get to their 399 children, where 337 of them ended up convicted of a crime. That's 85%. 132 of them went to jail and 372 of them out of 39079 ended up on welfare. Now, let's just talk simple logistics. That isn't sustainable, that isn't a pathway for your country to succeed. Like you're talking about a single group of refugees that in just two generations had a higher than 50% crime rate, a higher than 50% jailed rate, and nearly an 80% rate of being dependent upon the state to survive. Yeah, that's fucked. No, that makes you happy. That gets you in the top three of the happiest countries in the world. World. Because it's great. Yeah, yeah. And that's Palestin.

John C. Dvorak (101:59)

They could do that with Somalians. They could do that. Any country wants to do that, play that game. They just have to find a little group, the ghettoized group of the moment. And of course, they've been there 30 years and. And do the stat. It's always going to be crappy, but yet we still hear the immigrants do less crime than the people that live there.

Adam Curry (102:22)

Yeah, right.

John C. Dvorak (102:23)

Where'd that come from? Ye.

Adam Curry (102:25)

I don't know. From some think tank, no doubt. Let me. Let's just do a little bit of. A little bit of AI stuff because there's been some things happening, there's some things changing. And I have had some new thoughts. The first thing is OpenAI is getting ready for the biggest public offering in the world's history and they're trying to shore everything up and get it all set and get ready and batten down the hatches. Getting new details today day from an open air all hands meeting where leadership doubled down push toward their enterprise business and an ipo. What does it mean? Kate Rooney has more in today's tech check. Kate hi Kelly. So that was the message from Fiji CMOS. She's OpenAI's CEO of Applications. I spoke to somebody who was in the room at her employee all hands last week. The source says that she really emphasized why their enterprise business is so important. This was to employees. She really tried to rally employees around that message. According to this person, Simo said that the opportunity is to now take ChatGPT 900 million users, turn them into high compute users and transform into a productivity tool. As part of that, OpenAI has been shifting its focus from some of the less profitable projects within the business. The Journal was first to report some of these details. Someone close to Sam Altman also tells me it does fit within his broader strategy for OpenAI. Enterprise and ChatGPT beyond have had the most material impact on revenue ahead of an IPO. And OpenAI is going to need to prove more discipline, not just talk about it. And that is where CFO Sarah Fryer is coming in. I'm told by sources she's been getting open ready to list as early as the fourth quarter of this year discussing which gap metrics to use. We have reported she has been putting out a more defined infrastructure spend 600 billion versus more than $1 trillion to investors. And then Fryer all also I'm told is beefing up the IR team. She hired Cynthia Gaylor, that's Morgan Stanley's former banker. She was the CFO of Dropbox to really help get that message out to Wall Street. Kelly so I don't know about this ipo. I mean they need to do it, they need to get early investors out. People are probably like you better get this company public so I can bail out of this as soon as I can to get some money. Thinking I don't know if this will be the tipping point but I have been doing a lot of of intense AI work vibe coding at home. I did the whole open claw thing and found it tedious, annoying. It's not very great. I mean, you know, people are all just loving it because it, it does things for you. And then I discovered something Called Open Code, which is an open source, open source program, open source models that is incredibly useful. You can make it do stuff on your computer and make your computer do things that are handy. So as an example, the entire Linux system that I'm using for this show I created with local things, doing it locally. It's for my computer, it's not useful for anybody else. I open sourced it, I put it on GitHub, but I don't know if anyone cares. Benrose actually said something interesting to me the other day. He says if I create a piece of software that just solves one problem for me, that's great. I don't need to have some software company like Microsoft. So an example would be Window Office. Like I need something that creates documents compatible with Microsoft's office. I don't need the Ribbon, I don't need Clippy, I don't need Zippy, I don't need all of this stuff. Just, just do that. And these local programs and local large language models that you can run yourself are capable of doing that. And so I was listening to the all in podcast with jcal, J Cal and the crew and they were at the big Nvidia conference. As an aside, Jason calacanis, who donated $888.88 sent to give you a reason to live, was the only person, the only person. Not Darren, not Larry, not Mo. He was the only person that sent me a personal message and said, hey, if you need me to sit in or help out a little bit while John's getting better, I'm here for you. I thought that was really quite sweet.

John C. Dvorak (107:05)

Yeah, he's actually a good guy.

Adam Curry (107:07)

He is a good, good guy. And he. And so I'm listening to this interview and Jensen's got his leather jacket on and everyone's drooling over him as usual. Chamath and all those guys. Oh, Jensen. But J Cal, who, he, he, sometimes he launches stuff. When he said this, I don't know if he made it up or not, but this hit me and, and I think I can kind of see where things are going with AI. I want to take you from the data center to the desktop. See, when J. Cal says something like that. Data center, the desktop. I can already hear the CNBC people saying that two weeks from now, it's great. We're going from the data center to the desktop. I want to take you from the data center to the desktop. The company was built in large part on hobbyists, video gamers and all those graphic cards in the beginning. And you Mentioned in front of I think 10,000 people here just Claude Open Claw Claude code and what a revolution agents have become and specifically the hobbyists who are really where a lot of energy we see you know a lot of the innovation breaks want desktops. You announced one here I believe it's the Dell 6800. This is a very powerful workstation to run local models 750 gigs of RAM. Obviously the the Mac studio sold out everywhere in my company we're moving to Open Claw everything. Friedberg just got claw pilled. You got claw pilled. I understand you're obsessed with these. What is this from the streets movement of creating open source agents and using open source on the desktop mean to you so great. Where is that going? So great. So great. So a couple of things here. First of all I love claw pilled ridiculous. It really so the people are using this agents. It's like an agent. Oh I got an agent on the computer. It really is phenomenal if you use open code and you say I need a program on my computer that does this. And I had something really simple. I wanted it to log into Google News using my account get the top 10 headlines about a topic that I give it. Usually two words like straits of Hormuz, Hormu Straights I think I put in there. I want it to give me a summary, show me the top 10 stories and then find the top five YouTube videos about it. It has changed the way I do my show prep and I asked it to do that and I could watch it build this program this program specifically just for me not useful to anybody else, not an agent but it is. It's building software for me that for a specific need that I that I I have now jcal says something very interesting here that they're coming out with or they're powering a 750 gigabyte Dell computer and that the Apple M4 Studio 10 whatever is sold out. The reason being what Apple has done specifically. You can load that up with 500 gigabytes of regular RAM and the architecture of Apple's device and I presume things are going to change for the intel device devices you can use you can it automatically will apportion that to running the the large language model so you don't need a specific Nvidia gpu. It can use this RAM and it can allocate whatever is necessary. And so when I heard Jensen Wango oh so great I thought him. I heard him saying not so great. And listen to the second clip Open

John C. Dvorak (110:46)

Claw basically put into the popular content

Adam Curry (110:50)

consciousness, what an AI agent can do. That's the reason why OpenClaw is so important from a cultural perspective. Now the second, second reason why it's so important is that Open Claw is opened, but it formulates, it structures a type of computing model that is basically reinventing computer altogether.

John C. Dvorak (111:14)

It has a computer system.

Adam Curry (111:16)

Yes. It scratch is a short term memory file system. It has, you know, it has resources, it manages resources, it's. It does scheduling. Yep.

John C. Dvorak (111:25)

Right. And it cron jobs, it could, it could spawn off agents, it could, you know, it could decompose a task and,

Adam Curry (111:32)

and cause, and solve problems. Does scheduling. It has IO subsystems, it could, you know, input, it has output, it connect to WhatsApp. And also it has a API that allows it to run multiple types of applications called skills.

John C. Dvorak (111:47)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (111:47)

These four elements fundamentally define a computer. Yeah. And therefore what do we have? We have a personal artificial intelligence computer

John C. Dvorak (112:00)

for the very first time.

Adam Curry (112:01)

Open source. It's open source. It runs literally everywhere. And so this is now the, this is the operation. This is basically the blueprint, the operating

John C. Dvorak (112:09)

system of modern computing.

Adam Curry (112:11)

I think. Whoa. I think. Sorry about that. I think there's something here. It. Wasn't that always Steve Jobs, his dream to have the computer interface just be. I want you to do this. And it does it. I think what's happening with Open Source, not with, with the big models and OpenAI and Gemini and Anthropic and all that, but with stuff you can run at home. If RAM weren't so crazy expensive, which may not be by accident, you can do it with just. If you have enough ram, you can run this. And yeah, you might have a different computing experience that has kind of always been the dream of Silicon Valley, but no one wants to admit it. Nobody actually wants it to happen. Does that make sense? Sense?

John C. Dvorak (113:02)

A little bit. I have to think about it.

Adam Curry (113:06)

Well, you'll have plenty of time to think about it.

John C. Dvorak (113:09)

You think.

Adam Curry (113:10)

Because in the meantime, while you're thinking, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in claw pilled. Say hello to my friend on the other end. The one, the only, the. Welcome back, Mr. John C. Door.

John C. Dvorak (113:27)

Well, in the morning to you, Mr. Ed Adam Curry.

Adam Curry (113:30)

Why are you laughing?

John C. Dvorak (113:32)

Because I'm thinking this is like the opening of the show.

Adam Curry (113:36)

What is.

John C. Dvorak (113:37)

This is triggered. Triggered. An opening remark for me and I never did get. When I said we have free gas, you should have said you have free gas up there. You never, you never threw a question at me so I could do my. My joke.

Adam Curry (113:51)

Oh, okay, hold on a second. What do you mean you got free gas? Gas?

John C. Dvorak (113:55)

Yeah, you get free gas if you give him the code word.

Adam Curry (113:59)

What's the code word?

John C. Dvorak (114:01)

This is a stick up.

Adam Curry (114:06)

Let's count the trolls for a second here. Oh, he's back, everybody. He's back. Let's check. Oh, we have 2105. All right.

John C. Dvorak (114:16)

Oh, that's not bad for us.

Adam Curry (114:18)

Oh, it's not too bad. You know, it's like. It's not like people really care that much about you, but at least they can back.

John C. Dvorak (114:24)

Well, you know, Listen, dude, you can download the show.

Adam Curry (114:27)

I've heard about that. It's a podcast. Those trolls are listening live@noagendastream.com and they're probably using. They should be using one of those modern podcast apps which you can find@podcastapps.com. why, you ask? Well, because then you get an alert when we go live. It's a regular podcast app with all of the cool new features, chapters, transcripts, you name it. But when we go live, you get a bat signal. You get an immediate alert, and you can listen to podcasts live. A lot of the podcasts at no Agenda Nation are stream live first and you can subscribe to them. And it all comes through the wonderful magic of the no Agenda stream. But many others are doing it as well, and we are. Value for value. Thank you so much for keeping the show afloat during John's short absence. It was highly appreciated. Really nice to see that people wanted to give you a reason to live. And clearly it worked so far. And the value for value can be done in multiple ways. You can send in your time, your talent, or your treasure. The treasure part is obvious. We'll get to that. But we have time and talent. People doing a lot of work. When they made the call, we didn't know exactly what was going to happen. I must have received three or four different best of shows, so thank you. If you're still working on one, finish it. It's never, never a bad idea to have a.

John C. Dvorak (115:47)

Never a bad idea.

Adam Curry (115:48)

Never a bad idea to have a best of show. And people still created artwork. And we did. We didn't have the same type of discussion because I was just selecting the art. I was letting Mimi go because she would. After every show, she's like, wow, this is tiring. Like, this is a lot of work. Yeah, people.

John C. Dvorak (116:08)

People don't like doing it, though. That's the funny thing.

Adam Curry (116:11)

Of course she liked doing it. And she was Good at it. It was a different show, but she was very good at it and enjoyed it immensely. And she inspired the art for episode 1850, which was submitted to no agenda art generator.com by Blue Acorn. And this was. You really had to listen to the show to understand this one shaggy dog story. Mimi at the pool in her bikini with Jim Morrison of the Doors wearing his own T shirt. You had to be there. But I liked, I thought it was a good piece. So were you looking at the art at all during your, your downtime?

John C. Dvorak (116:48)

Only to repost. Okay, No, I didn't look at the art. I'm way behind on looking at the art.

Adam Curry (116:53)

Well, we're going to start looking at the art on Thursday's show. So please submit your artwork for episode 1853. All of that is highly appreciated and we always thank all of our supporters. $50 and above. And we're going to do it all in this segment to give John a little ease back into the show. And we'll start with our executive and associate executive producers right off the bat with $1,050 from Lago Vista, Texas. Jim. Then he says, Jim and Lago Vista here. Heard y' all talking about gyros recently. Holy crap, that's a while back. Yes. Reminded me of our flight. Throwing some in the kitty and I may have some fresh content of interest. Oh, this is, this is Jim who took me in the gyrocopter trip.

John C. Dvorak (117:43)

Oh, you inevitably gyro.

Adam Curry (117:44)

Yeah, I wanted to learn how to fly him and I was still in Austin when I went up there and they have a flight school and you know, gyros are great.

John C. Dvorak (117:54)

I really fly a chopper. You can fly one of these. I bet.

Adam Curry (117:58)

It's, it's a, it's different. It's. It's a different answer. Yes, but it is, it's a very different type of flying. They're not super fast, which is a bit like helicopters, but there's some new ones out there that are really, you know, seven hour hangover time. They got air conditioning, you know, three, you know, gonna seat five people in some of these things. They're getting very sophisticated and they are, by my account, some of the safest type of aircraft you can get. So Jim reach out to me. He gave it, give us his email. So I'll, I'll email him and let's find out what's going on. I'm excited. I'm always excited in a good gyro. Good gyro road trip.

John C. Dvorak (118:39)

And now we have Anonymous in Lopak. Holland. Is that right? 888-888-888. No. 8, 888. My lucky number.

Adam Curry (118:57)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (118:57)

Actually, I prefer being a douchebag and stay anonymous however unexpected. Except. Or exceptions can arise. Have a great recovery, John. From the belly of the beast. Software developer Thorax Centrum in Rotterdam. Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (119:19)

And Lopic is where they have the big TV mast. Thank you very much, Anonymous. $555.88. That's give John a Reason to Live donation. Sir Scott the Jew in the North Idaho Sanity Brigade from Post Falls Island, Idaho, John C. He says congratulations on one of the best donation promotions you've ever come up with. Another bold and creative strategy from a true guru of solicitation on behalf of the nisb. That's the North Idaho Sandy Brigade. We are glad you survived your heart attack, even if Mimi is on the fence. Wow. For a brief moment, we were worried the show might pivot into a Post John era, which, let's be honest, would only expose just how bought and paid for by the Israel Industrial complex. Adam truly is encouraging you to ditch.

John C. Dvorak (120:08)

Exactly.

Adam Curry (120:10)

Wow. Thanks, Judas. Encouraging you to ditch the Bay Area before it actually kills you. Sir Scott the Jew in the North Idaho Sanity Brigade. P.S. shameless plug for the no ID podcast. It's no agenda for Idaho. If you like the media deconstruction format and you want to hear what it sounds like when it's tailored for a specific region, go to noid show.com and check out our program. We run Value from Value, the Hyperlocal Revolution. All right. Beautiful.

John C. Dvorak (120:40)

Good for him.

Adam Curry (120:41)

Yes, it's very good, Nick.

John C. Dvorak (120:43)

Soaps in Payton, Colorado three eight zero eight. Listen here, Jack. This is a total recall donation hall. Make me wish, Paul. Make me wish I had three hands.

Adam Curry (120:58)

Maybe y'. All. Maybe y'. All. He was doing a voice text says hall.

John C. Dvorak (121:02)

Yeah, Okay. Y' all make me wish I had three hands. Hands so I could give three times the applause. Well, that'd be something to see. Welcome back, John, and thank you for your courage. Mimi. RIP Chuck Norris xoxo Nick.

Adam Curry (121:20)

Hey, there's Dana Brunetti coming in with an executive producer level donation. 33333. From the ranch in 88.

John C. Dvorak (121:32)

For some reason.

Adam Curry (121:33)

Yes. Well, because he loves you. Brunetti has been. You know, he missed you so bad. He was texting me every day and calling and calling me, calling me. So he's probably. Has he called you yet? He must have called you by now.

John C. Dvorak (121:49)

Oh, yeah, yeah. More than once.

Adam Curry (121:52)

Yeah, exactly.

John C. Dvorak (121:53)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (121:53)

He says, welcome back from vacation, jcd. Hopefully now the big donations from Sironomous of Dogpatch in Lower Slobovia will start back up so we. We can all try to decode the messages to you from Mimi out on assignment. Yeah, this is his big theory. You've heard this theory?

John C. Dvorak (122:14)

Yeah, he thinks Mimi's a spook. I'm her handler. And anonymous, A dog patch in Lower Slovoia is Mimi's conduit of cash that goes into the show.

Adam Curry (122:23)

Yes, but you're not the handler. She's your handler.

John C. Dvorak (122:26)

No, no, he changed it.

Adam Curry (122:28)

Oh. Well, let me read the rest of the note. You should also know that Adam was flirting with Mimi and grooming her while you were lying by the pool in Cabo. And she was even sending bikini pictures to him. Hey, Mimi, send me some too. Yeah, it's true. Not, not. It's not bikini. It's hot pants. John, how do I reach you? Your landline just rings and rings. You need to set up forwarding or at least voicemail. I have to communicate with Adam more now than ever. Not that that's a bad thing. Adam. I just don't want John getting jealous. How are we going to schedule our next dinner or our trip to see Big Boy? Oh, my God. Listen to that horn. He made me do that.

John C. Dvorak (123:17)

So if you call my landline, it forwards to Jay's cell phone number and she picks it up. And if I'm standing around, she'll hand it over to me. So I don't know what he's talking about it.

Adam Curry (123:29)

Well, the Big Boys checked it out

John C. Dvorak (123:31)

just before the show.

Adam Curry (123:32)

He wants to go see some train. The Big Boy train.

John C. Dvorak (123:34)

I know the Big Boy is going to be in the neighborhood.

Adam Curry (123:37)

What is the Big Boy?

John C. Dvorak (123:39)

That's the world's biggest Americas, anyway. Biggest? It's a giant locomotive that the Union Pacific floats around the. The West Coast.

Adam Curry (123:49)

It's huge.

John C. Dvorak (123:49)

Look up Big Boy. Big Boy. Union Pacific. Big Boy.

Adam Curry (123:53)

You may. You may. You may not want to want to Google that. You might want to be careful. You can get all kinds of interesting results. Union.

John C. Dvorak (123:59)

If you say Union Pacific.

Adam Curry (124:01)

That's. That's your Google phrase. Shall I read this one? Since it's very long.

John C. Dvorak (124:07)

Yeah, you might as well.

Adam Curry (124:09)

Are you going to play any, like, sick man card at all? You haven't done that once during the show.

John C. Dvorak (124:13)

Haven't done what?

Adam Curry (124:14)

Are you going to play like?

John C. Dvorak (124:15)

So the sick. It's good for months. It's going to take two months before I can move my arms, basically.

Adam Curry (124:23)

Well, so you should say, oh, you. You've got to read this long note because I had heart attack.

John C. Dvorak (124:27)

I could have done it that time, but I'm saving now. You gave me an extra bonus.

Adam Curry (124:32)

This is from Sean ryan in Valenti, Texas. 388. Please deduce me and my son Dylan Ryan.

John C. Dvorak (124:41)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (124:42)

There's the de douche for him and one for his son.

John C. Dvorak (124:46)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (124:48)

I'm finally getting around to making my first donation. I started listening to your show late last year. My Gen Z son Dylan said said, dad, you should check out the no Agenda show. I think you'd like it. I'm a boomer and he's a zoomer. Yes, I was a late bloomer. I liked the show the first time I heard it, but I was and still am confused with fighting stage four cancer of the ride that killed Scott Adams recently. I don't like to think about that much. So I was an occasional listener then. Now I can hardly function without listening to every show fully, even to the very end with your lovely closing music. I've abandoned all other podcasts. Good man. They just don't carefully listen to and deconstruct the M5M like you guys do. I'm addicted. My request accompanying this donation There will be more as I fully intend to reach night status before things go to heck. In a hand basket with my health is twofold. First, kindly deduced both me and my son Dylan Ryan did that. His referring me to your show has instilled a sense of pride that I raised him right. The allocation for deduching should be $250.88 cents allocated towards my path to knighthood with the remainder allocated to him. Secondly, I request that you do an F cancer along with good health karma when you read my note on the air coming up. Lastly, I will be making the trip to Fredericksburg on April 11, 2026 for the meetup at the 1776 Bar and Full Moon in Bed and Breakfast. I really hope to have the opportunity to meet one of my two most admired people, you, Adam. It'll be great to meet John someday, but he seems a bit tied up with surviving heartbreak at the moment. On that note, I really enjoyed Mimi's commentary while filling in for J. Thanks Mimi. Cheers and well wishes from Sean Ryan. Well, that's very nice. And we do have we got an effort note. You've got karma and I'm looking forward to seeing you. We will see you there.

John C. Dvorak (126:38)

And there's Michael Supko who came in with a check from Belmar, New Jersey, for 380 with no note that we can find. Find. Which means he gets a double up. Karma. You've got

Adam Curry (126:54)

karma. We're also doing all of the knightings and damings today, which would be quite a lot for those who.

John C. Dvorak (127:00)

Which is quite a lot.

Adam Curry (127:02)

Yes, we kept them in abeyance.

John C. Dvorak (127:04)

You know what's funny? We have like a thousand knights and dames and one birthday.

Adam Curry (127:10)

I know. I thought there's something wrong with the list. No, it's not. Robert Rose in blue here. So something's happening with him today. Cedar City, Utah. Major de douching in order. It has been a shameful four years since I've donated. My original plan was to become a night by the end of 2021, but failed miserably. I'm happy to report that this donation brings me above the threshold to the seat to be seated at the coveted table. Let me just.

John C. Dvorak (127:37)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (127:39)

Some canned Coke Zero and wintergreen zins for the whole table. I'd like to be known as Sir Robert for some reason. Knight of the southern Utah Red Rock region. John, great to have you back. And we're all wishing you a quick recovery. No agenda isn't the same without both you and Adam. Obligatory shout out to Mimi. She did great. My next donation will be a check and handwritten note because I know how much you love those. John. Health. Karma for John and anyone else that needs it. Love and light from Sir Rob. You've got Karma.

John C. Dvorak (128:12)

We have. Oh, it's the Indian and Norwegian meetup in out of Greenwood, Indiana.

Adam Curry (128:20)

It's from the Greenwood. It's from the Greenwoods.

John C. Dvorak (128:23)

The Greenwood. I'm sorry.

Adam Curry (128:24)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (128:26)

2 2, 22 2. The Indie NA Meetup. Raffles Switcheroo donation for Gary Goodman. Note. Get well, John. And you two should think about having Mimi as a special reporter every month or so.

Adam Curry (128:44)

No Karma.

John C. Dvorak (128:46)

Karma jingle for everybody. Gary.

Adam Curry (128:49)

Yeah, I know you've got karma. Now we'll keep Mimi in abeyance when we need her. I got a. For some reason, a check was sent to my PO Box from Sir PBR Street Gang and Dame Trinity. I'm actually going to add them in into. Into this.

John C. Dvorak (129:06)

How did they have your P.O. box?

Adam Curry (129:08)

No, I'm sorry, it wasn't my P.O. it was to our home address.

John C. Dvorak (129:12)

How did they. Oh, okay. Well, I guess.

Adam Curry (129:14)

Well, yeah, we all know how that happened.

John C. Dvorak (129:16)

Tip of the day.

Adam Curry (129:17)

Yes. And I'm like, well, thank you. But don't say because, you know, now I have to send it to John. And so it's sir pbr, Dame Trinity. I'm putting them on this list here. They said podcasts are down. Maybe you know what they probably thought? John can't. No one can get to the P.O. box because John is out. Maybe that's what they thought. Hope this note finds you well, Dame Tuner. Now we're traveling back from Pennsylvania. Listen to the live stream of this Thursday's podcast. Simply stunned, please know that we are both praying for John swift recovery. Please find the enclosed donation of a row of ducks, 22222. Thank you for your witness and growth in faith. We are praying for John's return to his Catholic roots during his health issue. Thank you for your attention to this Sister in Christ, Sir PBR3 gang, and Dame Trinity. Any luck there? Any return to your Catholic roots?

John C. Dvorak (130:13)

In what way does anyone expect me to get up and go to church?

Adam Curry (130:17)

I don't know.

John C. Dvorak (130:18)

After having my ribs ripped open? I don't think so.

Adam Curry (130:22)

Maybe you met God or you just heard everyone talking while you were.

John C. Dvorak (130:25)

I heard. When I was with that intubation. I think more than a few things happened.

Adam Curry (130:31)

Okay, well, we'll leave that as it is.

John C. Dvorak (130:35)

Whatever that means.

Adam Curry (130:36)

All right, I'll take it.

John C. Dvorak (130:38)

How about sir dug it up in Missoula, Montana, 222. Welcome back, JCD. This donation brings me to Baron.

Adam Curry (130:48)

All right.

John C. Dvorak (130:49)

Henceforth, I'd like to be known as Sir Dug it up of the ship Sharp Shovel. He's a shoveler. Scrutinizer of the subterranean. It is a pleasure. If it pleases the Peerage committee. Yes, of course you can. I really don't think that title is under. Under a debate.

Adam Curry (131:12)

No. Okay, that's it. That is it. Then. We go to Matthew Martell, Brumall, Pennsylvania. Time to step aside, Bongino. The pod mother is here to run things now. Dollars and 60 cents. Visit martel hardware.com use coupon code MIMI33 for an additional 10 off your order. We're all gonna die, JCD Hot Pockets.

John C. Dvorak (131:39)

Okay.

Adam Curry (131:40)

Oops. I'm sorry about that. Here we go. We're all gonna die, Hot Pockets. All right. Done, done, done, done.

John C. Dvorak (131:50)

All right. Ah, Eli the coffee guy in Bensonville, Illinois, 20888. We're happy to have you back. Mimi did a great job looking holding the fort. And I enjoyed the fresh perspective. A few of her clips probably could have been clip of the day, but were never awarded such by Adam.

Adam Curry (132:14)

It doesn't seem the last few weeks say that

John C. Dvorak (132:19)

the last few weeks made me realize it had gone to her head. The last few weeks made me realize how much I appreciate the show and the value it's brought over the past decade. Almost two decades. Good to have the dynamic duo back in action, especially with everything going on around the globe. If a global supply chain hit another snag, not a bad time to stock up on coffee. There's a gigawatt coffee roaster and use the code ITM20 for 20% off your order. Stay caffeinated. Eli the coffee guy.

Adam Curry (132:52)

Then we have Ailee Darling. Ailey Ali. Ali. Ailey, Ali. Grenada Hills. Grenada Hills, probably California. $208 with a note as this. Yes, here it is, handwritten in the morning. Adam and John, as before. I want to thank you two for cutting through the msm but bias which most of my friends and family listen to without recognizing. I appreciate that you read out the notes from producers along with where they are from as it's a reminder that there are free thinkers everywhere. Even here in the left leaning progressive Los Angeles. It was great to hear John. He must have such a hard time in Los Angeles. It was great to hear John in the opening clip of Thursday's show as as impressed as I am with Mimi. And it's been interesting to hear her take on current events, especially Iran, since she lived there yet. Yes, that was great. We need John back. He and Adam go together like peanut butter and jelly. No jingles needed. But karma for all. Ailey Alley. Ally, I'm gonna say Ali. Ali darling from Granada. Grenada Hills in California, apparently near Los Angeles. You've got karma.

John C. Dvorak (134:03)

Christopher Graves in Somerset, California. 322. Does that hurt?

Adam Curry (134:06)

Coughing? Does that hurt?

John C. Dvorak (134:08)

No, you have to cough because you get a lot of liquids during all these operations. You end up with fluids.

Adam Curry (134:15)

Fluids.

John C. Dvorak (134:16)

And you got to cough them out. In fact, when you're. When the nurses come by, they come by, hey, I gotta get you vitals. I gotta do this. You gotta do that. Of course, every time they do that, I've asked a couple of the nurses, by the way, I said, so what do they charge the government? I'm Medicare for every time someone gives does a test of my blood pressure check.

Adam Curry (134:37)

Yeah, the blood pressure check. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (134:39)

And they do it when you're in different parts of the hospital. It can be twice an hour, why not?

Adam Curry (134:45)

And did you get a number?

John C. Dvorak (134:47)

I said, what do you they think they charged? And she said, I have no idea. And nobody has a clue.

Adam Curry (134:56)

I'm sure it's $1,000.

John C. Dvorak (134:59)

No. Well, it might be. If it was, I would not Be so shocked. But there's a bunch of these things like, yeah, I have thoughts. Where am I? I'm lost for Graves.

Adam Curry (135:14)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (135:15)

Somerset, California, 20322. Welcome back, John. This is a. Oh, let me finish the story. So they come by because you have to have this cough to get rid of some of this stuff that's in the lungs from all these. The fluids.

Adam Curry (135:29)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (135:30)

So they actually make it. You cough, and it hurts like a Son of a.

Adam Curry (135:35)

No kidding. How about laughter is. Laughter is.

John C. Dvorak (135:38)

It's the worst.

Adam Curry (135:39)

Oh, no wonder. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (135:41)

The first time I laughed, it was like I thought I just dropped dead. It was like, okay, I'm going to have to be more objective about this humor.

Adam Curry (135:51)

Oh, no, it was really.

John C. Dvorak (135:54)

Laughing is really rough.

Adam Curry (135:56)

Oh, I'm sorry.

John C. Dvorak (135:59)

Well, you're sorry.

Adam Curry (136:02)

I am kind of. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (136:06)

Welcome back, John. This is a welcome home and thank you to Mimi donation.

Adam Curry (136:11)

Hold on.

John C. Dvorak (136:12)

Your friends at Little John's can. Oh, by the way, Little John's double up on some karma, please. That's what he needs, some double karma. They sent a bunch of boxes of Little John's chocolate to hand out to the various nurses, physical therapists, and the break room and whatever. So that was very nice. Nice of them.

Adam Curry (136:29)

Ah, do you think you got.

John C. Dvorak (136:30)

Yeah, Jake comes with a bunch of boxes of these things.

Adam Curry (136:32)

Do you think you got extra. You got better treatment because of the

John C. Dvorak (136:35)

goodies he was, as always, checking out of the hospital.

Adam Curry (136:38)

Oh, they should have sent it earlier. Oops, sorry. Here we go. Mimi donation.

John C. Dvorak (136:44)

You've got

Adam Curry (136:47)

karma. And that brings us to our last associate executive producer for episode 1853 from Linda Lupack in Castle Rock, Colorado. And she wants jobs karma. Your Resume has about 10 seconds to make an impression. Copy, change. And most don't get a resume that gets results. @imagemakersinc.com Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a clear story of leadership, results and impact. That's Image Makers, Inc. With a K. And Linda Liu, duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes. Welcome back, jcd.

John C. Dvorak (137:23)

Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote.

Adam Curry (137:31)

So we're just going to keep this train rolling. I'll go through the rest of our supporters. $50 and above, of course, no agenda. Donations.com is where you can continue to support the show. So in this case, unless there's a note that we need to read, it's going to be name, location, and number. Ian Field, $100. David Oliver from Calistoga, California. 100. Dame Cindy of the Tito in Carmel, Indiana, $100.

John C. Dvorak (137:53)

You.

Adam Curry (137:54)

She says, get well, sir. Daddy Cast, Mechanicsville, Virginia. 8888. Oh, these are the 88. 88s.

John C. Dvorak (138:01)

There they are.

Adam Curry (138:02)

Stefan Pyrrick, Pyrrhick, Edgewater, Washington. Longtime Aussie listener. Freeloading off the Value podcast for too long. Finally decided to donate.

John C. Dvorak (138:12)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (138:14)

Earl from the Marsh graves in Marshfield, Massachusetts. This is 8888. Timothy Wilkinson, Mount Lauren, New Jersey. Katrine Van Tael in Rotterdam. She says Bedeskop. Brian Morton, Casper, Wyoming. Ali Olzowski in Bainbridge, Washington. Welcome back, John. Sir. Tommy Hawk, Iowa City, Iowa. Chasen Rodziltski in Saskatoon, in Canada. Steve Niles, Santa Cruz, California. You were missed, John, he says. Elliot Johnson, Morristown, Arizona. And he has a birthday. This. This is probably the only birthday for Dame Susan and McKinney on Today. From her son, Elliot. Evan Gable, Vinton, Virginia. Anonymous Trad Priest from Italy. Hello. How about that? He's from Florence, itm. I offered a traditional Latin Mass for John on the feast of St. Joseph. God bless you both and your families. There it is, John. The reason you're alive. I'm well.

John C. Dvorak (139:16)

Thank you very much.

Adam Curry (139:17)

Yes. Al Gonsulin, San Diego, California. Congratulations. The ticker is fixed. Night Light Snacks. Night Light Snacks from Lynbrook, New York. Get well, you old coot. Scott Corey, Fort Gratiot. Gratiot. I know we're saying that wrong. Someone's gonna yell at me. Fort Gratiot. Gratiot.

John C. Dvorak (139:41)

Yeah, it's got some screwball pronunciation we keep missing.

Adam Curry (139:44)

Yep. Hey, Sir. Patrick Coble is there. Fairview, Tennessee. Welcome back, John. ITM and no more jello. The Franklin, Tennessee, Tennessee meetup was a success. Thanks to you, Mr. Biggs, for organizing. A regular schedule shall be set. Christian gruelick, Winter Haven, Florida. John, welcome back. On the 33rd day of Lent. Coincidence? I think not. Please accept this motorboat boob donation. God bless you both. Matthew McDaniel. I missed the sound effects. How crazy is that? I miss the sound effects. Matthew McDaniel, Carrollton, Texas. Welcome back. John Lindsey Frick in Aurora, Illinois. Get well, John. Then we have Dane Pompeo in Los Angeles. $88. Welcome back. John. William Kidwell with the boob donation 8008 in Dover, Delaware. Thank you, Mimi. You were a fantastic guest host. Mac Conner, Estero, Florida, with boobs. Kevin McLaughlin. Here's our Archduke of Luna and a lover of America and boobs. Coming in twice with two boob donations. And he says, God bless America and boobs Newsletter. MIA on Saturday must Be something that went wrong somewhere. We sent it out. Thank you, sir. Kevin Nicholas Leary in Columbus, Ohio, 72. 72. Chad Hewitt in Folsom, California, 6640. That's 66 books, 40 authors, then the small boobs. From Matthew Elwart in weatherford, Texas. That's $60.06. 6,006 as well. From Dame Liberty mom and Baron Henry of Outpost west in Rancho's, Palos Verdes, California, 59.92. Kirk Satoff in Nevada, California. Double nickels on the dime. Dame Nancy Sam Brun, California, 5242. Welcome back, JCD. You were missed. Thank you, Adam, for holding down the fort. Your hard work is appreciated. That's Dame Nancy of the confused solutions unincorporated.com from awesome Town, British Columbia. Really? $50.50 donation made of the solutions unincorporated.com from awesome town, Candanavia. Well, I gotta look that one up. Awesometown Forest Martin, $50.05. Andrew Benz from Imperial, Missouri, $55 cents. And here, the 50s. Noah Mc Traverse City, Michigan. Alexa Delgado in Aptos, California. Baroness Carol Ann sent in a note along with her $50. And I will read that. Dear John, our thoughts and prayers are with you for a full recovery. What divine intervention, Papa, God is awfully fond of you. Praying for the strength and patience needed to get through this all. We love you, John. From Baroness Carol Ann of Southern Colorado and her smokin hot hubby, Wade. Thank you for your courage. Beautiful car, actually, with a. With a horsey on it. With a horse. And a little girl putting another little girl on the horse. Hot. That's it. We made it. Those are the. Yes, those are the supporters, the donors for episode 1853 of the no Agenda show. We thank you all very much for supporting us. As always, the executive and associate executive producers are. They will be in receipt of these actual credits. You can use them anywhere. And welcome Dana Brunetti to an actual executive producership. That's quite a big deal that he's finally doing that. And I guess we'll go straight into the birth. Well, actually, we'll do this just to make it feel good. Thank you, Everybody. Go to noagendadonations.com Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Order. Shut up, slave.

John C. Dvorak (143:22)

Shut up, slave.

Adam Curry (143:31)

Well, as we said, we got a ton of nights, a ton of dames, and even some title changes, but only one birthday. It comes from Elliot Johnson, who wishes his mom, dame Susan and McKinney a very happy one. She celebrates today. And we say happy birthday from Everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Here we go. We got Earl Christopher now becoming Duke Christopher. Sir C. Sharp of.net becomes a baronet. Baronet surplus becomes baronet Illuminati. Dame Beth becomes Dame Beth, Viscountess of Baja Arizona. Dame Isabel Pearson becomes Baroness of Gurs. And Sir Digitup. Baron Sir Digitup of the Sharp shovel Scrutinizer of the subterranean. And before we do our knights and dames, we do have a couple of notes here. We have an insanite note from this came from Sir Kit Breaker. Gentlemen, thank you for your mastery, generosity and grace. Please induct me as Sir Kit Breaker, Knight of the Red Line craving over some hookers and blow. In that order. We'll get them for you. We missed a note from Sean dear. Low blow John and Chatterbox Adam. First time donation. Deduce and detoxify me forever, please.

John C. Dvorak (144:54)

You've been de douched.

Adam Curry (144:56)

He says never say never. Mofos. Best V for V available. Everybody who can't afford it, donate once. That's Sean. And then we have a wedding shout out. Dear John, I'm like to announce the wedding of Sir Andy and Dame Kylie who went off successfully yesterday and we had a beautiful day. We look forward to having John back today. All of our love, Sir Andy and Dame Kylie. Send wedding photos and of course we're very excited about the kids because you know you're going to name them John and Adam. That's going to be fabulous. So welcome back, John. Welcome back. Can you lift the sword? Can you handle it today?

John C. Dvorak (145:34)

Here, I got this special small one. Oh, it's made out of aluminum. Here you go.

Adam Curry (145:38)

A teeny teeny blade everybody. There he goes. All right. Up on the podium today, Jill Price, Elizabeth Prefontaine, Sandra Walker, Teresa Dempster Andrews Sherrymagger. Aaron Lopez, Jason Lewis, Sean Connell, Jason Babcock, Steve Newman, Anonymous and Robert Rose. I hereby pronounce the Kate, all of the. As knights and dames of the no agenda Roundtable. Duke Chris. I'm sorry. Dame of the fair where the friends. Dame Elizabeth of the North. Dame Cece Mom. Dame Teresa Martine. Dame Mormore. Sir Real deals of the dusty Desert. Sir J. Lou of Macon. Town of the Dead Bugs. Sir Hatch of the Western Way. Sir Jay of the Interstate. Sir Vagabond of the Middle West. Sir Kit Breaker, Knight of the Red Line. Sir Rob Knight of the Southern Utah Red Rock region. For you. We have everything you asked for including hookers and blow, rent boys and Chardonnay and of course the mutton and the mead at the round table. Congratulations. Thank you for supporting the no Agenda Show. All of you en masse, go to noagendarings.com that's where you're going to see these beautiful no Agenda knight and dame rings. Give us your address we can send it to please. Along with your ring size. There's a handy ring size guide on the website. And thank you for supporting the no Agenda show. Also thank you to no Agenda Shop who have. Who have now started the no Agenda Sticker Club. And and I am an honorary member. They sent my first batch to me. Members receive two vinyl stickers every month. Size from 3 to 5 inches. This package includes versions of every single sticker that they've mailed out so far in their first two mailings, including the first 33 member bonus sticker. They started this monthly subscription program to help keep the shop alive in their 10 10th year and beyond. Costs to maintain the shop have increased and releasing new apparel designs takes more time than we currently have available. Day job income has decreased dramatically and long term employment is not looking good. Keeping our actual lights on has become our new focus for now and yet we still want to provide something fun for the listeners to enjoy and give them a reason to visit the shop. Please go to noagendashop.com help these folks out. They have supported the show for a decade. I can't even believe it's that long.

John C. Dvorak (148:00)

I think longer.

Adam Curry (148:01)

I think longer too. We've never had.

John C. Dvorak (148:03)

And by the way, when you. When you're at the toll plaza and you stop.

Adam Curry (148:07)

Yes.

John C. Dvorak (148:07)

And there's a piece, there's a cement thing right next to you there. Reach, lower your window, reach out and stick a no agenda sticker right there.

Adam Curry (148:16)

Perfect. That's exactly what you want to do. And become a member of that sticker promotion. Help them out. They're very good people. We've never had any kind of agreement or deal with them. They've been a very trustworthy, worthy partner without an actual partnership. And we love them for it and so should you. Noagendashop.com. Yes, we have meetups. This is where you go to find your tribe. Find connection that gives you protection. No agendameetups.com these people will be your first responders in any emergency. If you want proof, just listen to a couple of meetup reports. The first one is the North Idaho Sanity Brigade meetup from March. March 19th. Check. Check. Oh yeah. No, it's recording. All right. Hey, this is Sir Ducifer. Welcome to the Trails in Brewing Company. The North Idaho Sanity Brigade meetup day before my birthday, March 19th. And John, if you can survive a heart attack, you can also survive the naked people at Lolo Hot Springs. Hey, John and Adam, this is a dude named Jeff here with my dame, Holly. We met at a no agenda meeting meet up four years ago. The couple that no agendas together stays together in the morning. This is Holly. Get well soon, John. We're all rooting for you.

John C. Dvorak (149:33)

Thank you for your courage in the morning.

Adam Curry (149:35)

Hey, it's Sir Scott the Jew.

John C. Dvorak (149:37)

I'm here with the North Idaho Sanity

Adam Curry (149:38)

Brigade in Kurd Lane.

John C. Dvorak (149:41)

John's exit strategy was an utter failure.

Adam Curry (149:46)

This is a Brian spook from Post Falls. Just a big thank you to me,

John C. Dvorak (149:50)

Mimi, for filling in a big get

Adam Curry (149:52)

well soon to John and a big thank you. And in the morning, this is Lloyd, the brewer at Trails End Brewery in Coeur d'. Alene. Get well, John. Cheers. In the morning, Sir Donald of the Fire Bottle is here. Shout out to Sir Tigger Max in his Texas home. Hi, this is Jason here at Trails End Brewery. Just want to say in the morning and Mimi, you're doing an amazing job.

John C. Dvorak (150:15)

Keep it up the morning.

Adam Curry (150:17)

Who's this guy bring back, Mimi.

John C. Dvorak (150:19)

Hi, my name is Megan McLemore.

Adam Curry (150:20)

I work at Trails and Brewery in Coeur d', Alene, Idaho.

John C. Dvorak (150:23)

And it was so awesome serving everyone tonight.

Adam Curry (150:25)

They're amazing as always. Back to work, John. Back to work. I love it when you bring in your servers. Thank you so much for that. Leo Bravo did his 73rd meetup in the Los Angeles area, the HMS Bounty. Hi, everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 733 at the HMS Bounty. And passing the phone around for our friends to have to say something.

John C. Dvorak (150:51)

It's B. Dizzle from Southern California. Just checking in with all my other fellow slaves.

Adam Curry (150:55)

ITM gentlemen, sir, Mainframe here first. Thank you, Mimi, you're awesome. I'm waiting for the Tell all book to come out.

John C. Dvorak (151:02)

John, welcome back.

Adam Curry (151:04)

You sounded great the other day. You sounded younger and healthier.

John C. Dvorak (151:07)

As far as your next sick day,

Adam Curry (151:10)

what is the last word in the Forbin project? Oh, yeah. Never. Hi, this is Dame Laura of the Golden Mean. Came down to see the fabulous Leo Bravo. And friends and I came down from Washington State due to climate change. I Falcon. They came down Washington State. See the friend. Okay.

John C. Dvorak (151:32)

Hey, guys, this is Slick Rick.

Adam Curry (151:34)

And there's some asymmetrical drinking going on here. John C. Devora Dvorak.

John C. Dvorak (151:39)

Very good to have you back.

Adam Curry (151:41)

It's like you never left. You were always there in spirit and we can always smell you, too. Camera Ed is 10 pounds. So we're editing, we're going to edit. Oh, man, it's a good crew there in Los Angeles. I'm always surprised by how. How fun they sound. And then finally, the. The march meetup from the indie group Indianapolis, Indiana with S and Dame Maria. And of course, they have a fabulous report for us. Sir Mark here next to the beautiful Dame Maria. Dame Maria here.

John C. Dvorak (152:15)

John, we're praying for you.

Adam Curry (152:17)

Get well fast. Mimi, you are amazing. Adam, thank you for everything you're doing. We love you guys.

John C. Dvorak (152:23)

Hey, Gary here.

Adam Curry (152:24)

John, I know you want to tell us about the hospital food, but really all we want to hear about is

John C. Dvorak (152:27)

the hot nurses in the sponge bath.

Adam Curry (152:29)

Hi, it's Diane. Get well soon because you are missed. Emily, the Fed here. Hey, can we just have John Adam and me together on the show? Sir Benny here. John, you and I are about the same age. And you know what? My balls are killing me. Too risky here on that point.

John C. Dvorak (152:44)

I'll pass on that one.

Adam Curry (152:46)

Just drinking some beers here though. Nada from Indianapolis. I'm still in shock by what Benny said there. This is Nick here. I'm in shock that Dame Swanee's ringtone is nice and White Satin by Moody Blues. Dame Swannie, A Whites and Night Satin. Leave a message. Hi, my name is Bailey. I'm the server here at Blind Out Brewery, serving the wonderful no Agenda group. We've had so much fun today. I'm very glad I finally got to meet these guys. Absolutely awesome group of people. I'm convinced now that servers at no Agenda meetups are hot. They all sound so super hot. You got to check these meetups out by going to one. And you find them at no agendameetups.com and we have one taking place today at the Alibi Room. In fact, underway in an hour or two. And that is in Vancouver, British Columbia, Scandinavia. Coming. Get that phlegm. Get that liquid out. Come on, come on, you can do it. A lot of meetups taking place on the 28th of March. Coleyville, Texas. Columbus, Ohio. Fort Wayne, Indiana. Beechwood, Victoria. That's Australia. And Fukuoka, Kyushu. We got a lot of Japanese Japan meetups coming up. This I don't. I like it. I'm not sure why, but I like it. Hey, we got some LNG coming your way, people. We're going to take care of you. April 2 is Raleigh, North Carolina. April 4, Osaka, Japan. April 11 is a big one. Eagle, Idaho. Albany, California. Do you think you're going to make it John, or is that maybe a little too soon?

John C. Dvorak (154:28)

I can't say.

Adam Curry (154:29)

Okay. But we will say when the as the date comes closer. Lafayette, Louisiana and April 11th. Also Fredericksburg, Texas. Tina the keeper and I will be there and a host of celebrities that you will know. I'm going to see if we can get Pastor Jimmy out there. We'll get Matt Long. He and his wife Gail are always organizing it. So it should be a good hootenanny at J6 or Jenny's Place. 16th of April, Charlotte, Carolina. April 25th, Scheifeninge in the Netherlands, Buda, Texas, a new location, I think on May 8th, Leiden in the Netherlands. On the 8th, Santa Rosa, California, 9th in Eagle, Idaho. Again on May 9th. Many more meetups to be had and to be found@noagendameetups.com you will not regret going to one of these. It's not like TEDx, no license or anything like that. You just get together, you put it on noagendameetups.com people come and you have a good time. If you can't find wid near, you start one yourself. It's easy at a party. Well, well, just like a party. We have John's tip of the day coming up, which turns out is really Mimi's tip of the day. I'm convinced that Mimi does all of these. I don't know if you actually do you do any of them or is it all Mimi? I think. How much of you is Mimi?

John C. Dvorak (155:57)

What? So I would say that, yes, this is hers. She said, can I do tip of the day? That's a sure.

Adam Curry (156:06)

We got to do ISOs first. We got to ISOs. ISOs.

John C. Dvorak (156:09)

Well, wait, before. No, no, no. Tip of the day is mine. I'm talking about the ISOs. The ISOs are hers now. I want to tell you something. She says I'm to send you some. You. I said, okay. She sends me 12,

Adam Curry (156:23)

of which 11 were no good.

John C. Dvorak (156:25)

11 are like this. And so. So I picked one and I said I picked one. And she. She's very disappointed.

Adam Curry (156:35)

Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (156:36)

But I'll get back to the AI next show or the show after.

Adam Curry (156:39)

Okay. Shall I play yours first or mine?

John C. Dvorak (156:42)

Yeah, no, I might as well play mine.

Adam Curry (156:43)

I almost spit on out my coffee. Oh, it's a little cut off there at the end. That's disappointing. I see. I. I've got a couple here. Good job, guys. Thank you. Is that one. And I have this. They kind of, like liked it. They thought it was cool. And I was like, okay, but maybe, maybe this is More up your alley. Okay, cut me the checks. How about. How about that?

John C. Dvorak (157:08)

That's cute, but I like the first one the best.

Adam Curry (157:11)

Let's see this one. Job, guys. Thanks. Thank you. That one.

John C. Dvorak (157:14)

Yeah.

Adam Curry (157:15)

Oh, we'll use that one then. But first, it is time he's back in the saddle. It is John C. Dvorak's tip of the day. Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam.

John C. Dvorak (157:31)

Now, this is a screwball tip. So when you're in the hospital, you listen to a lot of books on tape.

Adam Curry (157:36)

Oh, is that what you do? How about podcasts? How about the best podcasts in the universe?

John C. Dvorak (157:40)

Well, I would listen to that, but that's, you know, books on tape goes six hours, you know, one after another. But I have to say, you wouldn't expect. This is to be the one I was going to pick. It's called Elizabeth ii, Life of a Monarch.

Adam Curry (157:55)

Wow.

John C. Dvorak (157:58)

I have to say, you know, this was stuck on the. On the phone. Jay was setting me up with some books to listen to, and somehow this got on there. And I don't know who gives crap

Adam Curry (158:09)

about Elizabeth, but Jay insisted.

John C. Dvorak (158:13)

No, no, she didn't insist. It just was on there.

Adam Curry (158:15)

Oh.

John C. Dvorak (158:15)

And I couldn't get something else to play or wouldn't download or you can't stream in the hospital, whatever. So I ended up starting to listen to this thing, and I think it's. Now, see, the problem is, if you go to Amazon, the editor's pick, which is Elizabeth the Queen, Life of a Modern Monarch is an audiobook only. And then there's Elizabeth. Elizabeth II in private, there's a bunch of different ones. And the one that shows up on the title here exactly. Is Elizabeth to Life of a Monarch.

Adam Curry (158:48)

Huh.

John C. Dvorak (158:48)

So that's. I. So I. You may have to. You may. This may be a hit or miss, I'll tell you. Fascinating, really. It's absolutely fascinating. I. You could. It's like what. Every single little details. All these details about when they were kids and what would. They would wear hair and what they would throw at each other. And that Margaret, you know, the younger one, the. The sister was a biter.

Adam Curry (159:15)

Oh, she. She was nuts. She was. She was a biter. Yeah.

John C. Dvorak (159:20)

And. And there was. And it's just. It talks about Charles, all the. All kinds of details that you wouldn't think were interesting, but it's absolutely fascinating.

Adam Curry (159:30)

Have you ever watched the Crown on Netflix? No, because it's the. This. It's, you know, it's, in essence, the same monarch. And what Always struck me, I don't know if this is in the audiobook is how obsessed the entire family is with the press. It's always about the press. How did I come across, you stole my thunder in the press. Does that come across in the book?

John C. Dvorak (159:54)

There's a little bit of that.

Adam Curry (159:55)

I'd say those people are sad, don't you think?

John C. Dvorak (159:59)

Well, the thing that they mention in

Adam Curry (160:02)

the book, gruesome and wicked. I think wretched. Wretched was the word. Word. I think I used the.

John C. Dvorak (160:07)

Well, Elizabeth seems like a really, actually kind of a nice person. But they, they mention a documentary that was done by the, I think the BBC.

Adam Curry (160:15)

Yeah, that was Charles's deal. He wanted to do a documentary of the family.

John C. Dvorak (160:20)

And is this the one they buried?

Adam Curry (160:23)

No, it eventually it aired once but then they couldn't stop it and it came back and it's.

John C. Dvorak (160:28)

No, there was, there was a couple of them that were done. I think the recent one is the one you're talking about. But there was one done a long time ago that was, they played it and they just said there's no, no, no, no, we can't have the fact. Because it was mostly inside information, bad stuff. So they go into their, you know the route in fact when Elizabeth moved into Buckingham palace as a little nine year old or something, I can't remember when this first happened. She said, oh, did that, thought it was cool because the. But the place was crawling with mice. Yes, mice were everywhere and it was tattered. Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (161:08)

Something kind of semi pathetic as our president would say. It was a shithole. Yeah, that was, yeah, it was in the crown as well. The mice. The mice. And everything was a mess. Yeah. Wow, that's an interesting tip. So for those of you going in for open heart surgery, there's your tip of the day. Find them all and noagendafun.com tipoftheday.net Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCD and sometimes Adam created by Dana Brunetti. Yes, thank you, Dana Burnetti. Where would we be without you? And that concludes our broadcast day. We have some dynamite end of show mixes. Thank you to Jeff Crocker for his special edition. And coming up next on the no Agenda stream we have. Let me see what we got going on. Ah, our big dumb mouth obdm this is. They're talking about Chuck Norris on this one. So you should get the. Stay tuned for that as it is going to air next on the no Agenda stream. And we will be back on Thursday. John, I'm so happy you're okay. Happy you're alive. Happy you're back. We need to have some contingency plans. I'm just saying it's a thought.

John C. Dvorak (162:31)

You mean like passwords?

Adam Curry (162:34)

For start. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas hill country right here in Fredericksburg, Texas, where I'm happy to have my partner. Back in the morning, everybody.

John C. Dvorak (162:43)

I'm Adam Kirk and from North San Francisco Bay, I'm John C. Dvorak.

Adam Curry (162:50)

We'll be back on Thursday. Both of us. Count on it. Until then, remember us@noagendadonations.com until then, adios mo fos a hooey, Hooey and such.

John C. Dvorak (163:05)

I hear the zephyr coming. See if I can turn that into a song. I hear the zephyr coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming.

Adam Curry (163:53)

It's coming.

John C. Dvorak (163:54)

It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming.

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Adam Curry (165:52)

You are 400,000th in line for an agent. Your call is being transferred to an agent. The old fox got a heart of gold. Also the stories have been told but he pushed the red line went too far. Now it's on the lift like an old salvage car. He's in the shop for a valve and a gift Getting parts replaced for the coming year. Mimi wrote the book on the eggs in the pan. Literary feet for the best part of the man. But Adam says no to the exit plan. It's unacceptable. According to the man. You can't just bow wow with a cracked up chest. While the too many eggs are put to rest. The old Barton is getting a start bolting back together every broken part.

John C. Dvorak (167:09)

Meanwhile, the producers pitching to cover the

Adam Curry (167:11)

show while JCD recovers in his Silicon Valley chateau. Welcome back, Jacd.

John C. Dvorak (167:35)

You ain't checking now. Welcome back to that same old place that you grouse about.

Adam Curry (167:45)

M5M hasn't changed since you hung around and the trolls have remained. Yeah, they're still around.

John C. Dvorak (167:54)

Who thought they need you back here

Adam Curry (167:59)

where they need you?

John C. Dvorak (168:03)

Yeah. We teach. The best podcast in the universe.

Adam Curry (168:29)

Audio Mofo. Devorak.

John C. Dvorak (168:32)

Org.

Adam Curry (168:34)

Na. Good job, guys. Thank you.